| 00:00.04 | simonrvn | shogunx: i have other things to do |
| 00:00.06 | Azar | tuvwx: to give you an example of how stupid I am: bought a custom made PC last year that it sits under my desk waiting for etch to come out. It would not have worked "that time" with sarge. |
| 00:00.11 | omg0 | Guerin: Do you know if there is a GUI version of QEMU for gnome lilke how there is KQEMU or QEMU Manager in Windows? |
| 00:00.14 | shogunx | simonrvn, i hear that. |
| 00:00.26 | abrotman | omg0: tried asking #qemu ? |
| 00:00.49 | simonrvn | i'm more net admin/code monkey |
| 00:01.06 | Guerin | omg0: nfi |
| 00:01.24 | simonrvn | translation: |
| 00:01.27 | simonrvn | !nfi |
| 00:01.28 | dpkg | i heard nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 00:01.38 | shogunx | simonrvn, me too, but i do enjoy a little hardware hacking every now and then. |
| 00:01.38 | Guerin | a'ight |
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| 00:02.05 | omg0 | abrotman: They don't really go outside of the base qemu on that channel. Actually let me check. The right person might be on this time |
| 00:02.07 | shogunx | simonrvn, like linux on the psp for example. |
| 00:02.08 | Hammar | !ati |
| 00:02.08 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control pannel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 00:02.15 | simonrvn | shogunx: " simonrvn> if i had any money to burn on..." i.e., i have none ;) |
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| 00:02.50 | lucianolorenti | hello, can anyone know how can i solve the error gcc-version.sh no such file or directory in kernel-headers?, i've installed the headers, the source, build-essential with gcc. |
| 00:02.57 | tuvwx | amd 690 chips is basically the first product that combines amd and ati products after the merger |
| 00:02.58 | shogunx | simonrvn, when i have run into that problem, i usually use other peoples:) |
| 00:03.01 | simonrvn | !ati =~ s,pannel,panel, |
| 00:03.02 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 00:03.45 | omg0 | guerin: what is nfi? besides the stock my friend lost his retirement in |
| 00:04.06 | simonrvn | .:20:01:24:. < simonrvn> translation: .:20:01:27:. < simonrvn> !nfi .:20:01:28:. < dpkg> i heard nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 00:05.14 | omg0 | simonrvn: Thanks |
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| 00:09.20 | lucianolorenti | gcc-version.sh no such file or directory? |
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| 00:10.37 | Hunnur | I just upgraded the linux-headers on Sid and skipped the "Recomended procedures" page :/. Where can I see that again? (it doesn't show up in /var/log/dpkg.log) |
| 00:11.21 | sprink | you're doomed for all eternity |
| 00:11.23 | Hunnur | or maybe it was the udev... |
| 00:13.02 | kupesoft_ | So can NetworkManager be configured to ignore a device? I have two wireless cards, one I want to run in monitor mode, and NetworkManager is probing the device every so often and disconnecting it? |
| 00:13.25 | kupesoft_ | nework-manager-gnome is my front-end, |
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| 00:14.02 | edju | How to stop the "what do you want to do" dialog window from popping up in KDE? Is that what hald does? |
| 00:14.35 | Guerin | edju: select `do nothing' and `always do this' |
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| 00:15.09 | edju | What's hald for? |
| 00:15.30 | Guerin | edju: it stands for hardware abstraction layer daemon |
| 00:15.40 | Guerin | edju: it sits between the kernel and your apps |
| 00:15.59 | Guerin | and manages hardware requests and functions |
| 00:16.00 | edju | OK. sounds necessary, then. |
| 00:16.02 | Guerin | and stuff |
| 00:16.12 | Guerin | yeah, you probably don't want to nuke it |
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| 00:17.07 | edju | Thanks. One more - tor doesn't seem to be in the repositories - not for etch. |
| 00:17.18 | mfrisch | Guerin: but it takes up space and I don't know what it is. |
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| 00:17.30 | Guerin | mfrisch: space is cheap. |
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| 00:17.44 | Guerin | edju: /msg dpkg why is tor not in testing? |
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| 00:20.27 | tuvwx | oh well.. doesn't seem like there exists a single user who tried linux with amd690 chipset.. |
| 00:21.22 | trellya | wait until price drops |
| 00:21.44 | Szeraax | Anyone know why KDE is only in version 3.3 and not 3.5 like everything else? (and also maybe OpenOffice) (or am i just really really dumb?) |
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| 00:22.00 | simonrvn | because |
| 00:22.15 | Szeraax | god hates us all...? |
| 00:22.25 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 00:22.49 | tuvwx | trellya, was that to me? it's already cheap.. almost the cheapest board for am2 sockets |
| 00:22.55 | Szeraax | i've noticed that my kde is the latest version i can get and its 3.3, i've also noticed the my OO is only 1.1 |
| 00:23.08 | streuner | Szeraax: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:23.09 | tuvwx | actually the cheapest asus board |
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| 00:23.40 | Szeraax | actualyy, right now, i'm not on it. I will check soon though... |
| 00:23.51 | Szeraax | (and be back soon) |
| 00:25.11 | streuner | some people invited backports |
| 00:25.15 | streuner | !backports |
| 00:25.15 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
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| 00:25.48 | streuner | Szeraax: you should take a look at backports, if you using sarge/stable |
| 00:26.36 | Szeraax | yes, i am using stable sarge |
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| 00:29.26 | Azar | tuvwx: if that warms you up, my next PC will have a linuxBios and an open version of a video driver |
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| 00:29.51 | Szeraax | "What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?" |
| 00:29.51 | Szeraax | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 00:30.18 | tuvwx | Azar, what is linuxBios? and what are its advantages? |
| 00:31.08 | simonrvn | Azar++ |
| 00:31.11 | simonrvn | !Azar++ |
| 00:31.14 | Azar | tuvwx: is a project to develop a motherboard with a bios that complies with free standards so it will never be a pain to install and upgrade my linux OS |
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| 00:31.27 | Guerin | tuvwx: it's not owned by the Man |
| 00:31.31 | Azar | simonrvn: dpkg took lunch break |
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| 00:31.40 | simonrvn | apt: Azar++ |
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| 00:31.51 | omg0 | Guerin: have you ever seen anyone take nfi so nicely. hehehe |
| 00:32.11 | Szeraax | Is it supposed to say something else, or is that what you were looking for? |
| 00:32.13 | tuvwx | Azar, so you flash it over your board's bios flash? or does it ship with the board? |
| 00:32.13 | davidb___ | ok, after an hour and a half i'mready to try this dailybuild release of "testing" |
| 00:32.27 | davidb___ | crossing my fingers the packager installer doesn't freeze up again! B) |
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| 00:33.38 | Azar | tuvwx: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20070223145912.html |
| 00:34.12 | Azar | no I aim to go 100% with open hardware |
| 00:34.36 | Szeraax | What's "backports" |
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| 00:35.20 | Azar | Szeraax: steal packages from a higher version and fool your version into thinking is ok |
| 00:35.35 | sprink | !tell Szeraax about backports |
| 00:36.29 | davidb___ | holy crapola. it's booting. |
| 00:36.40 | Guerin | zomg |
| 00:36.46 | Azar | lolz |
| 00:36.57 | simonrvn | omghax!!!111 |
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| 00:37.46 | sprink | checking for XDamageQueryExtension in -lXdamage... no |
| 00:37.47 | sprink | configure: error: Could not find XDamageQueryExtension in -lXdamage |
| 00:37.59 | sprink | anyone have any idea what that means? |
| 00:38.08 | simonrvn | need some x headers.. |
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| 00:40.01 | amphi | oh, no, fierce swappage... |
| 00:40.05 | udos | any perl fans here? True to form, one of perl 6 most "exciting features" will be junctions. That is, "a" can be equal to 4, 56, and 8734643 all at the same time LOL. |
| 00:40.26 | Guerin | udos: why do we care? |
| 00:40.34 | sprink | I think that was a joke |
| 00:40.44 | vezult | does the xorg driver for radeon in etch provide any acceleration for the radeon 9200, or is that only in xorg 7.1.1? |
| 00:41.02 | Guerin | vezult: the 9250 is the last supported, iirc |
| 00:41.05 | vezult | 3d acceleration that is. |
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| 00:41.09 | Guerin | yes |
| 00:41.10 | trelly | so a is an array? |
| 00:41.22 | vezult | Guerin: nice. |
| 00:41.34 | Guerin | vezult: good luck |
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| 00:47.04 | scruffy | is there a console app for viewing available wireless networks (other than iwlist scan) that might let me choose which one I want to connect to? I'm thinking ncurses? apt-cache is only picking up graphical ones. :( |
| 00:48.13 | Guerin | scruffy: you just want one which shows networks, or one which will allow you to connect to one in some UI? |
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| 00:49.44 | Bicchi | On aptitude, after i have selected multiple packages to install, how do i "Unmark all". This can be done with synaptic but how about with aptitude? |
| 00:49.47 | scruffy | Guerin: the latter, because iwlist scan will show me networks in range, but I have to type in every essid and key for a particular network. I'd rather just have to type in a key, for example. It's on a low-end laptop. |
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| 00:50.19 | Guerin | scruffy: there's bound to be one, but don't know it |
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| 00:50.53 | itchi | Hi, with wich stuff can i conver wma to ogg? |
| 00:51.33 | Guerin | itchi: you probably don't want to do that |
| 00:51.39 | itchi | Bicchi: There is an option in the 'action' menu. Only in Etch and above i think |
| 00:51.42 | Guerin | itchi: you'll lose a lot of quality |
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| 00:51.58 | itchi | Guerin: how so? |
| 00:52.12 | Bicchi | itchi: Do you know what the option is? |
| 00:52.16 | itchi | Guerin: Should it not keep the same quality? |
| 00:52.24 | markybob | lossy to lossy = extra lossy. :) |
| 00:52.29 | itchi | Bicchi: 'Cancel pending actions' |
| 00:52.32 | simonrvn | itchi: not bloody likely to, no |
| 00:52.34 | Guerin | itchi: imagine a beautiful scene. Now take a photo of it - that's your wma. Now take a photo of the photo - that's your ogg. |
| 00:53.09 | Guerin | it'll keep the name *nominal* quality, but it won't *sound* as good |
| 00:53.09 | itchi | Guerin: what about cp a file: cp it again, cp that cp again, over and over?? |
| 00:53.19 | Guerin | itchi: cp is lossless |
| 00:53.24 | simonrvn | that's a copy, bad analogy |
| 00:53.26 | itchi | Guerin: I understand that too, but |
| 00:53.30 | Guerin | itchi: wma isn't; neither is ogg (vorbis) |
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| 00:53.49 | itchi | So i should make a 'photo' of that bmp one? |
| 00:53.56 | itchi | without compression i mean |
| 00:54.01 | Guerin | itchi: if you were converting from flac or some lossless format to ogg, then fine. |
| 00:54.07 | Guerin | itchi: bmp one? |
| 00:54.09 | itchi | ok |
| 00:54.41 | itchi | Guerin: I mean what you just told. I tryed to show a sad example of jpg <-> bmp |
| 00:54.48 | helo | if at all possible, re-rip your music or keep it in wma format |
| 00:54.57 | simonrvn | jpeg is a lossy format too |
| 00:55.03 | helo | not necessarily |
| 00:55.04 | itchi | bah, it's not of me, it's work of someone others |
| 00:55.09 | Guerin | itchi: yes, if you have the original cd or something, use that to make oggs |
| 00:55.16 | kingsley | How should one show xsane where a SCSI scanner is after upgrading the kernel to version 2.6.18-4-k7? |
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| 00:55.36 | itchi | It come of http://www.coorengel.eu/log/download.php?list.3 |
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| 00:55.54 | itchi | Is free, done be someone i know |
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| 00:57.24 | markybob | then tell that someone you know to release in a good format |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | kingsley: look in dmesg? or use lsscsi ? |
| 00:57.38 | itchi | markybob: Already told him about it :-p |
| 00:57.49 | Szeraax | using aptitude, when i remove something (say kde, or maybe asciijump (console game) ), how do i also completly get rid of it? Including config files and anything else that belongs to it? Example: I used purge and got rid of kde (of course its dependancies too) and cleaned my package cache, and then i installed it again, it had no change. what do i actually need to do to get rid of something |
| 00:58.05 | itchi | But these i have now ... Bah, anyway, i re download these then again in ogg if he done it |
| 00:58.14 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: use purge. |
| 00:58.18 | Szeraax | i did |
| 00:58.23 | Szeraax | _ |
| 00:58.35 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: if you use purge, then everything that belongs to the package that you have purged is removed. |
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| 00:58.55 | Szeraax | so i need to get rid of something else too to get really rid of kde? |
| 00:58.58 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: if you're seeing something stay around, then you're not purging the package to which those files belong. Purging kde is useless, because kde is just a metapackage. |
| 00:59.00 | Szeraax | maybe kdm too? |
| 00:59.10 | odla | has anyone installed oo.org 2.2 from experimental? and if you have did you have many/any problems? i'm thinking about upgrading it |
| 00:59.15 | Szeraax | ok |
| 00:59.22 | dondelelcaro | odla: if they have, there will be bugs filed in the bts. |
| 00:59.31 | simonrvn | purge a kde lib, then you'll be triggering a chain reaction ;) |
| 00:59.54 | dondelelcaro | 'course, it'd probably be more useful if you explained what you expected to happen by purging bits of KDE. |
| 01:00.00 | odla | dondelelcaro: thanks! i should have looked there first :) i guess i didn't know bugs were filed against packages in experimental |
| 01:00.01 | Szeraax | so how would i go about completely getting rid of kde? purge the original meta package? |
| 01:00.04 | dondelelcaro | !real problem |
| 01:00.05 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 01:00.20 | Szeraax | all my settings and everything related to kde |
| 01:00.31 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: and why do you want to do that? |
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| 01:00.38 | nn-ds2 | odla Stay out of experimential or you will get into package database Hell!!! |
| 01:00.45 | Guerin | sounds like a perfectly rational thing to do! |
| 01:00.54 | Szeraax | to reset all my kde settings |
| 01:01.12 | Guerin | Odla is big and ugly enough to know better |
| 01:01.19 | Szeraax | so should i just purge a kde lib and that would do it? |
| 01:01.19 | itchi | Szeraax: Your ~/Personal settings? |
| 01:01.22 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: so delete ~/.kde and or ~/.qt or whatever other files in your home directory that the kde packages that you are using create. |
| 01:01.27 | odla | nn-ds2: i only want the newest oo.org 2.2 |
| 01:01.31 | odla | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:01.32 | Szeraax | ah |
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| 01:01.48 | itchi | Szeraax: Mabye, just move these dirs |
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| 01:01.54 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: purging the packages won't do anything at all to help you, because they're system configuration files, not user configuration files. |
| 01:01.59 | itchi | Szeraax: *_old |
| 01:02.15 | nn-ds2 | I prefer the testing one Works just as well less apt to crask |
| 01:02.34 | Szeraax | ok |
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| 01:02.39 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing wrong with using experimental if you know exactly what's wrong with using experimenal. |
| 01:03.28 | odla | dondelelcaro: lots of packages are being held up there right now until etch is released anyways, right? |
| 01:03.45 | nn-ds2 | well not when you ferget to comment experimentl and then run apt-get upgrade! |
| 01:03.51 | rahul | knight once walked into a lab where a student was turning a computer on and off every so often |
| 01:04.08 | nn-ds2 | was that a MESS |
| 01:04.13 | odla | nn-ds2: use /etc/apt/apt.conf to point to something default then that never happens |
| 01:04.20 | rahul | knight asked the student what he was doing. the student said, "I am cycling the power because the computer is not working correctly." |
| 01:04.22 | odla | !tell nn-ds2 about mixed system |
| 01:04.26 | dondelelcaro | odla: yes. |
| 01:05.02 | rahul | knight told the student, "simply cycling the power without understanding what is happening will not fix your problem." knight walked up to the computer, turned it off, turned it on, and it worked. |
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| 01:05.06 | Szeraax | so when i move ~/.kde away to a temp, all settings should reset? |
| 01:05.10 | kiba | I think I forgot to dismount it |
| 01:05.11 | kiba | sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 01:05.13 | kiba | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:05.16 | dondelelcaro | nn-ds2: uh... experimental is pinned to 10 by default, so that won't happen. |
| 01:05.26 | dondelelcaro | kiba: so specify the filesystem type |
| 01:05.39 | itchi | rahul: hehe |
| 01:05.49 | kiba | how? |
| 01:05.53 | dondelelcaro | kiba: with -t; man mount |
| 01:05.53 | itchi | That's a cool one :-) |
| 01:06.24 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: if that contains the settings you wish to reset, yes. I don't use KDE at all though, so I don't know for certain. |
| 01:06.39 | rahul | itchi: indeed |
| 01:06.44 | kiba | it work before without me specifying the filesystem type |
| 01:06.57 | Szeraax | I dont have to say fs type when i mount |
| 01:07.05 | rahul | don's little comment about only using experiemental when you know why you shouldn't reminded me of that :) |
| 01:07.05 | itchi | kiba: It was in the /etc/fstab ? |
| 01:07.14 | Szeraax | tis a good joke |
| 01:07.16 | kiba | it is a usb drive |
| 01:07.18 | nn-ds2 | cant wait for my new internet connection so i can Become A Official Debian Mirror !!! |
| 01:07.41 | itchi | nn-ds2: use apt-proxy or somethings similar |
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| 01:07.59 | itchi | kiba: And? |
| 01:08.28 | itchi | kiba: You can add it there to, sure, it's not yet the right way to do it. |
| 01:08.32 | odla | does getting suspend to work require reconfiguring the kernel? |
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| 01:08.58 | itchi | odla: to ram? |
| 01:09.24 | itchi | odla: to hdd works out of the box, without recompiling |
| 01:09.30 | kiba | it work before... |
| 01:09.35 | odla | itchi: how do i get it to hdd? |
| 01:09.41 | kiba | I think I forgot to unmount it last time |
| 01:09.43 | odla | itchi: is it quick? |
| 01:09.53 | odla | itchi: i mean to wake up from suspending |
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| 01:10.01 | itchi | odla: I dunno :-) Gnome do that automagically; so i have not look futher :-) |
| 01:10.09 | itchi | odla: Many quicker |
| 01:10.20 | odla | itchi: gnome didn't do it for me |
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| 01:10.40 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:10.50 | nn-ds2 | um im currious about rsync will it onily update or re mirror the hole thing when i run the script again |
| 01:11.02 | itchi | odla: I'm on KDE right now, But it's that green power icon there. Look in the preference of that little app and set the littles settings right. The actions |
| 01:11.04 | Szeraax | as far as i know. aboslutly nothing changed when i got rid of the dir ~/.kde |
| 01:11.14 | xerophyte | How can i convert cd.daa into cd.iso ? |
| 01:11.18 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: did you restart kde? |
| 01:11.29 | Szeraax | i restarted whole comp |
| 01:11.30 | odla | itchi: ah...i guess i can..select it from the gnome-power-manager...i'll give it a try in a sec |
| 01:11.31 | itchi | Szeraax: Wait, there's another dir you need to move |
| 01:11.37 | Szeraax | ah |
| 01:11.40 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: you probably will have better luck by asking #kde; then, or someone who actually knows kde. |
| 01:11.47 | Szeraax | lol |
| 01:11.49 | Szeraax | will do |
| 01:11.57 | itchi | odla: I think; default there is no action set to the 'hibernation' |
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| 01:12.24 | odla | itchi: that's fine...i don't think my laptop supports hibernation...it's a shitty dell inspiron |
| 01:12.38 | odla | abrotman: i'm no longer a canuck |
| 01:12.39 | nn-ds2 | i just found it was easiear to leav them on 24/7 |
| 01:13.00 | lfs | I am having trouble installing plug-in to iceweasal. where is about plug-ins? |
| 01:13.23 | asg | lfs: type 'about:plugins' in the browser url bar |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | odla: you're a frenchie ? |
| 01:13.41 | [corn] | sup |
| 01:13.48 | nn-ds2 | my laptop had hard where sleep that ment the sys clock would got off and so did all other time |
| 01:14.00 | itchi | odla: Is that not the kernel that manage that? |
| 01:14.12 | Szeraax | that's what i thought |
| 01:14.13 | itchi | odla: Is kernel specific i think, not hardware |
| 01:14.16 | nn-ds2 | ntp fixed that though |
| 01:14.18 | holycow | what is the debian installer channel again? |
| 01:14.20 | [corn] | I'll find out |
| 01:14.23 | odla | itchi: i thought it had to do with hardware...i don't know |
| 01:14.26 | Szeraax | its kernel |
| 01:14.28 | asg | holycow: #debian-boot |
| 01:14.32 | holycow | thx |
| 01:14.32 | odla | abrotman: no more |
| 01:14.45 | itchi | s/Is/It's/ |
| 01:14.57 | holycow | oh really? i thought there were more d-i people in there |
| 01:15.11 | holycow | they must of moved to that other network |
| 01:15.12 | nn-ds2 | i think ist a mix hard soft bios combined |
| 01:15.12 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 01:15.13 | asg | holycow: there were during the pre-release to sarge |
| 01:15.15 | dondelelcaro | they're on OFTC |
| 01:15.17 | dondelelcaro | not here. |
| 01:15.20 | Azar | hello mister dondelecaro, I wantet to look on a raid54 bug link today but it was not accessible... you know what is going on? |
| 01:15.22 | holycow | ah! danke |
| 01:15.28 | lfs | ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the |
| 01:15.28 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.38 | dondelelcaro | Azar: which link? |
| 01:15.39 | lfs | How can that be? |
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| 01:15.51 | Azar | dondelelcaro: one moment going to look for it again |
| 01:15.54 | dondelelcaro | lfs: there isn't a flash player for amd64 |
| 01:15.57 | asg | lfs: they don't release a 64 bit player. |
| 01:15.58 | onurkar | hi all |
| 01:16.09 | Szeraax | hey |
| 01:16.14 | lfs | So I cant watch Dance for the Stars? |
| 01:16.16 | dondelelcaro | lfs: try using gnash or similar. |
| 01:16.16 | Alam_Debian | how do I stop a .Trash-$USER on removable disk? |
| 01:16.32 | dondelelcaro | lfs: or in that case, use video downloader and download the videos intsead of using the stupid flash player. |
| 01:16.33 | onurkar | does the latest stable release of debian auto-detect wireless networks |
| 01:16.38 | onurkar | ? |
| 01:16.49 | asg | lfs: or just watch TV |
| 01:16.50 | Szeraax | depends |
| 01:16.58 | dondelelcaro | onurkar: in some cases, but etch does a better job. |
| 01:16.59 | Szeraax | what wireless chipset do you use? |
| 01:17.10 | Szeraax | and do you have the card configured? |
| 01:17.17 | onurkar | dondelelcaro: what is etch? |
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| 01:17.36 | Azar | dondelelcaro: http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411172 |
| 01:17.42 | onurkar | Szeraax: i do not know |
| 01:17.58 | onurkar | actually i have a net install cd and a wireless connection |
| 01:18.11 | Szeraax | what kind of card do you have? |
| 01:18.14 | bknitram | !etch |
| 01:18.14 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:18.24 | onurkar | Szeraax: i have a laptop |
| 01:18.32 | Szeraax | and it has internel wireless? |
| 01:18.41 | itchi | onurkar: Are you an experimented (debian) GNU/Linux user? |
| 01:18.48 | onurkar | boradcom mini wlan card installed in it |
| 01:19.02 | Azar | none of the links on bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=utnubu-maintainers%40lists.alioth.debian.org << not even that one |
| 01:19.07 | amphi | onurkar: can you use a wired interface for the net install? |
| 01:19.10 | onurkar | itchi: well i use debian on my pc for about half a year |
| 01:19.14 | Szeraax | so it's in the comp then and not added\removable? |
| 01:19.23 | onurkar | Szeraax: yeap |
| 01:19.27 | Szeraax | that's not looking so good, you'll probly have to find some drivers or something for it |
| 01:19.37 | Szeraax | when i probly, i mean as far as i know |
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| 01:20.02 | onurkar | amphi: yeap i can but i do not want to cause i hate cables,they're all around me right now :(( |
| 01:20.07 | itchi | onurkar: Cause it can be are hard to setup, if your not so exerienced with GNU/Linux and wifi the first times |
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| 01:20.31 | onurkar | itchi: i see |
| 01:20.33 | onurkar | :| |
| 01:20.46 | amphi | onurkar: that's foolish - just use the ethernet interface for the netinstall, until you have your disgusting broadcom thing working |
| 01:20.53 | itchi | onurkar: At least, depend if you have a 'good' wifi card or not |
| 01:20.57 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 01:21.06 | amphi | onurkar: this is no time to be an æsthete ;) |
| 01:21.11 | dos000 | how is it possible to add/remove a section of text from a file/script ? hints sed .. or there is a better/clever way/tool ? |
| 01:21.35 | Szeraax | from console or just at all? |
| 01:21.35 | itchi | onurkar: Wich card do you have? |
| 01:21.35 | lfs | So I cant watch any video on websites with Debian and AMD64? |
| 01:21.46 | amphi | itchi: it is teh evil |
| 01:21.58 | onurkar | itchi: it says broadcom mini wlan card or something like that |
| 01:22.13 | amphi | onurkar: yeah, the horror, the horror |
| 01:23.03 | itchi | onurkar: Maybe take an old pcmcia with the cable? |
| 01:23.12 | itchi | onurkar: At least, for the install |
| 01:23.13 | onurkar | amphi: i'm trying to find a way for not to use cables but u can trust me if there's no way i'll use it :) |
| 01:23.42 | onurkar | itchi: so it's the bad news,then :(( |
| 01:23.47 | itchi | onurkar: At least, it will download the packages faster on a wired network :-p Once installed, try to setup your wifi ?? |
| 01:24.00 | Szeraax | yup |
| 01:24.40 | onurkar | then let me ask which package helps me set up my wi-fi card? |
| 01:24.50 | amphi | onurkar: there's no way - what's one more? ;) and it's not for long, stop making a big fuss ;) |
| 01:25.23 | amphi | onurkar: you have no built in ethernet? |
| 01:25.38 | Szeraax | umm, go to dell support (you said inspirion right?) and see if they have linux drivers for it |
| 01:25.48 | kingsley | Why would upgrading the kernel to version 2.6.18-4-k7 cause dmesg to report that a SCSI scanner is now on interface id3? |
| 01:25.55 | cokeslut | you tell me ;) |
| 01:26.13 | Szeraax | bc new kernel means new support |
| 01:26.13 | onurkar | amphi: all right all right i'll no longer complain amphi ok? :-P |
| 01:26.23 | lfs | !also-checklist |
| 01:26.28 | amphi | onurkar: wireless-tools; you need the bcm43xx module I expect, some firmware no doubt, and much hope |
| 01:26.30 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 01:26.30 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 01:26.53 | onurkar | Szeraax: i do not think dell has been able to see the future |
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| 01:26.57 | Szeraax | much hope |
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| 01:27.05 | amphi | onurkar: broadcom is a know bastard, some work, some don't |
| 01:27.11 | Szeraax | lol, plus your lapy prob old enough that they dont care about it either |
| 01:27.12 | amphi | s/know/known |
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| 01:27.28 | Szeraax | i know they dont have any crap for my little latitiude |
| 01:27.35 | onurkar | Szeraax: lol no it's brandy new :) |
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| 01:27.40 | amphi | onurkar: no point talking to dell at all |
| 01:28.08 | Szeraax | and they dont have any linux drivers for it? |
| 01:28.16 | onurkar | amphi: but i've already bought one |
| 01:28.17 | Szeraax | what kind of inspirion is it? |
| 01:28.20 | onurkar | :| |
| 01:28.33 | amphi | !tell onurkar aboout laptop |
| 01:28.34 | onurkar | Szeraax: it's inspiron 6400 |
| 01:28.48 | amphi | er |
| 01:28.52 | amphi | !tell onurkar about laptop |
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| 01:29.07 | lfs | !alsa |
| 01:29.08 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 01:29.26 | itchi | !tell lfs about selftell |
| 01:29.39 | itchi | lfs: is very handy |
| 01:30.39 | lfs | Do I want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
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| 01:30.41 | onurkar | amphi: so i'm gonna play russian roulette,huh? :(( |
| 01:30.45 | scruffy | how would I disconnect from a wireless network if I connected to one via `iwconfig wlan0` and got my IP via `dhclient wlan0`? |
| 01:30.55 | amphi | onurkar: with what? |
| 01:31.05 | itchi | lfs: no |
| 01:31.23 | onurkar | amphi: with my broadcom crap of course |
| 01:31.26 | amphi | onurkar: the wireless? it may well work; if not, there's always *shudder* ndiswrapper |
| 01:31.29 | Szeraax | do iwconfig wlan0 essid "" would maybe do it |
| 01:31.30 | Q1712 | hi, i feel 100% stupid, i'm missing ifconfig. And have no idea why its not installed or what package i would have to install. May anybody help? |
| 01:31.42 | asg | Q1712: it's in /sbin |
| 01:32.02 | asg | Q1712: if /sbin/ifconfig doesn't exist, /msg dpkg search |
| 01:32.08 | onurkar | amphi: ndiswrapper is told to have some arguements with wi-fi networks |
| 01:32.26 | itchi | Q1712: apt-cache search ifconfig |
| 01:32.27 | scruffy | Szeraax: nope, failed because it's not a valid essid |
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| 01:32.35 | Q1712 | OK. so i just had a prob with the path vatiabe |
| 01:32.56 | itchi | Q1712: It's in the 'net-tools' package |
| 01:32.59 | Q1712 | there is no result vor ifconfig in aptitude |
| 01:33.06 | itchi | Q1712: But should be installed automagically i thought |
| 01:33.14 | Q1712 | it is |
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| 01:33.41 | itchi | Q1712: dpkg -l net-tools are there two ii ? |
| 01:33.46 | amphi | onurkar: sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof |
| 01:33.49 | SIGFPE | so uh... what's with debian's init scripts that would make "for i in `ls /etc/init.d` ; do /etc/init.d/$i status ; done" unsafe? |
| 01:33.58 | Q1712 | i was not able to start it by just typing 'ifconfig'. '/sbin/ifconfig' works. |
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| 01:34.23 | itchi | Q1712: yeah, as 'normal' user, /sbin/ is not in the path :-p |
| 01:34.31 | SIGFPE | because it seems X11 no longer allows new windows to attach to the display now... |
| 01:35.07 | lfs | To add a user to audio group, just add to /etc/group? |
| 01:35.23 | onurkar | amphi: whatsoever there's no way except for trying :) |
| 01:35.24 | asg | lfs: or use adduser <user> <group> |
| 01:35.26 | itchi | lfs: no |
| 01:35.43 | amphi | onurkar: yeah |
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| 01:35.46 | SIGFPE | lfs: use usermod or adduser, editing the group file isn't recommended. |
| 01:35.54 | lfs | audio:x:29:lfs |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | did you logout/login again ? |
| 01:36.05 | SIGFPE | lfs: there's other places you may need to change as well |
| 01:36.07 | itchi | lfs: If you like that way :-p |
| 01:36.08 | asg | SIGFPE: it is just fine if one uses vigr(8) |
| 01:36.12 | lfs | Is lfs in audio group here. it did it anyway I think? |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | did you logout/login again ? |
| 01:36.30 | lfs | NOt yet |
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| 01:36.34 | itchi | lfs: do it then |
| 01:36.36 | onurkar | thanks a lot to those who paid attention and goodbye all |
| 01:36.37 | amphi | onurkar: any useful tips on either of those laptop sites? |
| 01:36.38 | SIGFPE | asg: vigr doesn't catch everything |
| 01:36.41 | asg | lfs: does id(i) indicate you are currently in the group? |
| 01:36.51 | asg | SIGFPE: such as? |
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| 01:37.08 | itchi | amphi: There's nothings about that brand on linux-on-laptops :-s |
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| 01:37.18 | itchi | At least, have not found info :-s |
| 01:37.22 | onurkar | amphi: i'll check them after getting connected via my ethernet connection ;) |
| 01:37.27 | SIGFPE | asg: pretty sure it doesn't catch taking away a user's primary group from them, does it? Just checks syntax last I checked. |
| 01:37.31 | itchi | onurkar: wait |
| 01:37.32 | scruffy | Szeraax: found a solution: removing the damned card and sticking it back in. :) |
| 01:37.37 | onurkar | itchi: ok |
| 01:37.37 | itchi | onurkar: There's tuxmobile too! |
| 01:37.48 | lfs | lfs@Debian:~$ id |
| 01:37.48 | lfs | uid=1000(lfs) gid=1000(lfs) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),109(powerdev),1000(lfs) |
| 01:37.49 | SIGFPE | asg: syntax != fully complete and well-done configuration |
| 01:37.50 | onurkar | itchi: and what is that? |
| 01:37.53 | aptura | what is ma -a command seems i am missing it |
| 01:37.55 | amphi | itchi: that's in the factoid IIRC |
| 01:38.01 | amphi | yeah |
| 01:38.07 | itchi | onurkar: Similar site |
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| 01:38.18 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i have not look in the factoid, only in my brain :-) |
| 01:38.20 | amphi | onurkar: one of the laptop sites dpkg told you about |
| 01:38.42 | onurkar | amphi: yeap i'm just viewing it |
| 01:38.42 | amphi | itchi: careless ;) |
| 01:38.42 | itchi | amphi: But, looks like the user had skip it too |
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| 01:38.47 | asg | SIGFPE: vigr does allow one to shoot yourself in the foot. Granted, if one can't handle it, one should not be using vigr |
| 01:38.54 | amphi | onurkar: your model is there? |
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| 01:39.14 | SIGFPE | asg: I believe that's pretty much what I said originally. :) |
| 01:39.14 | piper69 | greetings to everyone |
| 01:39.15 | aptura | does anyone know what I am talking about? |
| 01:39.30 | itchi | Yeah, tuxmobile! |
| 01:39.41 | markybob | aptura, dont think you even know. do you mean m-a instead of ma? |
| 01:39.52 | itchi | onurkar: It's been a DELL Inspiron 6400 ? |
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| 01:40.05 | lfs | I have sound!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:40.06 | onurkar | itchi: yeap and i found one |
| 01:40.13 | asg | SIGFPE: you said something about taking away a user's primary group. vigr won't automate that, no. |
| 01:40.16 | itchi | onurkar: on tuxmobile ;-) |
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| 01:40.27 | onurkar | itchi: yeap thanks a lot |
| 01:40.29 | aptura | markw thats possible it could have been a typo on another web site |
| 01:40.37 | itchi | lfs: Make no noise please, turn down the volumen :-p |
| 01:40.37 | markybob | aptura, m-a is module-assistant |
| 01:40.42 | Q1712 | ty for ur help, bye |
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| 01:40.43 | markybob | aptura, apt-get install it |
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| 01:40.55 | onurkar | itchi: is there any difference between sarge and etch? |
| 01:41.02 | itchi | onurkar: Sure |
| 01:41.09 | itchi | !release |
| 01:41.10 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 01:41.23 | itchi | with the 's' too :-s |
| 01:41.43 | onurkar | and what about etch? |
| 01:41.46 | itchi | onurkar: See /msg dpkg releases |
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| 01:42.04 | lfs | What kind of video can I get with AMD64? |
| 01:42.20 | itchi | lfs: kug |
| 01:42.26 | itchi | lfs: What mean you? |
| 01:42.46 | piper69 | i followed all the instruction at http://feraga.com/node/30 "how to install Debian onto USB flash thumb drive" everything worked fine untill i tried to follow the last step installing the kernel and grub , can someone help me please |
| 01:42.47 | lfs | Apparently I cant get adobe flash |
| 01:42.47 | amphi | onurkar: you should go with etch if the laptop hw is at all recent |
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| 01:43.08 | asg | lfs: you can, you just need to run it in a 32 bit chroot. Ask the #debian-amd64 folks |
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| 01:43.25 | onurkar | amphi: where can i get etch? |
| 01:43.27 | markybob | !nspluginwrapper |
| 01:43.27 | dpkg | nspluginwrapper is probably a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. Debian packages are available at http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 01:43.49 | amphi | !etch |
| 01:43.49 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:44.45 | onurkar | oops! i was told installing testing release could be a nightmare :-| |
| 01:45.02 | asg | onurkar: by whom? |
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| 01:45.25 | onurkar | asg: by a really experienced linux user |
| 01:45.30 | amphi | onurkar: etch seems to work well, I'm on it now (on my laptop) |
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| 01:46.24 | onurkar | amphi: well all right then there's nothing i can lose i guess :) |
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| 01:46.38 | lfs | HOw come on xchat I have no list of users? |
| 01:46.59 | asg | onurkar: installing a lightbulb can be a nightmare, did the really experienced linux user provide any info on the pitfalls you would likely have to deal with? |
| 01:47.02 | onurkar | amphi: and if it detects my wi-fi easily it can be my new princess :) |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | lfs: ask #xchat |
| 01:47.16 | amphi | onurkar: what is the ethernet card in that thing? |
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| 01:47.18 | itchi | onurkar: Etch works very fin, runs it on all my workstations, i'm very happy of it. But it's not so recomended for 'new' users. Cause of many updates, and need to reconfigure the packages that where updated after an upgrade |
| 01:47.23 | Szeraax | well, now i feel dumb (probly bc i am) but how do i mount my win partition (/hda1) with readwrite priv. to my user? |
| 01:47.33 | amphi | onurkar: and the wireless, will be a slight PITA probably |
| 01:47.36 | TSWoodV | Greetings! Question about the proper method for adding a non-default route permanently. I think I need to add an "up route add -net ..." line to the /etc/network/interfaces file. Am I correct in this? |
| 01:47.37 | Szeraax | i can mount just fine, and root can just fine |
| 01:47.41 | piper69 | where can i get help installing Debian in a USB flash thumb drive please? |
| 01:47.49 | piper69 | !seen Ankman |
| 01:47.50 | dpkg | ankman is currently on #debian (12h 40m 52s), last said: 'haha'. |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | !tell piper69 about usb storage |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | !tell piper69 about vfatrw |
| 01:48.30 | Szeraax | or rather, how do i tell it not to be a read only device? |
| 01:48.32 | asg | abrotman: and give him ig for the win |
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| 01:49.17 | lemur | I love debian |
| 01:49.33 | Szeraax | then help me out to show true devotion :D |
| 01:49.39 | itchi | lemur: Is debian not 'male' ? :-) |
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| 01:49.46 | onurkar | asg: well i'm just a "beginner" if there's such a level in using linux and i was told as i said about the testing releases |
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| 01:49.48 | asg | abrotman: wtf is going on here? |
| 01:49.52 | lemur | itchi: half male, other half female |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | asg: sunday? |
| 01:49.58 | itchi | hehe |
| 01:50.01 | lemur | but both are married |
| 01:50.03 | lemur | :( |
| 01:50.11 | Szeraax | open relationship then? |
| 01:50.19 | onurkar | asg: so am i not supposed to get worried about the testing releases after all those? |
| 01:50.23 | lemur | I guess |
| 01:50.25 | itchi | lemur: nah, that's fine, Yet Another Lovely Couple :-p |
| 01:50.26 | lemur | they do give me source access |
| 01:50.28 | asg | onurkar: it is testing but about to go stable. |
| 01:50.56 | onurkar | amphi: eth is also broadcom |
| 01:50.59 | asg | onurkar: you were talking about the install being a nightmare. Far from the truth in the majority of cases. |
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| 01:51.20 | Szeraax | so anyone want to answer my n00bish question? |
| 01:51.39 | itchi | onurkar: The new installer (the GUI) should be easier as the XP one |
| 01:51.46 | asg | Szeraax: if it can be found on the first google hit, we will kill you |
| 01:51.48 | Szeraax | how to mount my win partition as read\write priv. for my user? |
| 01:51.49 | markybob | "2 release-critical bugs were closed and 5 were opened" ...gotta hate that |
| 01:51.53 | Szeraax | lol |
| 01:51.55 | Szeraax | touche |
| 01:51.59 | asg | Szeraax: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 01:52.22 | Szeraax | plz, not the first. plz not the first.... |
| 01:52.28 | onurkar | itchi: it does not need to be like XP or something else i did not mean that :) |
| 01:52.37 | piper69 | abrotman: please take a look at this howTo http://feraga.com/node/30 |
| 01:52.42 | Szeraax | dang |
| 01:52.43 | asg | markybob: it happens, it may happen for months |
| 01:52.43 | Szeraax | lol |
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| 01:52.50 | itchi | onurkar: I just compared the installer |
| 01:52.59 | Szeraax | i think ive tried that and it hasnt worked... |
| 01:52.59 | onurkar | itchi: ok np |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | piper69: uhm .. no ? |
| 01:53.00 | EmergeTW | any suggestions for how to mount a "Novell Netware 386" filesystem? |
| 01:53.07 | itchi | onurkar: Cause we need to 'compare' to judge |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | piper69: the bot just told you how |
| 01:53.11 | Szeraax | nuke it and try again |
| 01:53.23 | onurkar | itchi: i see |
| 01:53.39 | piper69 | abrotman: fuck stop beeing mean once |
| 01:53.48 | markybob | ha! |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | piper69: the bot just told you how |
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| 01:54.08 | markybob | if you think abrotman's mean...well...you're delusional :) |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 01:54.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 01:54.23 | piper69 | abrotman: how what? |
| 01:54.26 | amphi | onurkar: I know nothing about broadcom nics, but with any luck the ethernet will be supported by the netinstall - what do the laptop sites say about it? |
| 01:54.48 | lfs | What is USB thumb drive? How many MBs? |
| 01:55.07 | Szeraax | what is a thumb drive? |
| 01:55.13 | Szeraax | what do you mean by that? |
| 01:55.14 | abrotman | usb flash drive |
| 01:55.24 | lfs | I just installed Debian from a 1 gig usb stick |
| 01:55.35 | Szeraax | anywhere from 32MB to 8GB |
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| 01:55.51 | piper69 | lfs: Szeraax have you guys heard about a planet call earth.... they use that usb thumb drive thos days |
| 01:56.02 | onurkar | ops! the document i downloaded from tuxmobil is in a different language that i can not understand at all |
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| 01:56.09 | Szeraax | hey hey. i do too! how cool |
| 01:56.37 | itchi | onurkar: Have you not a Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG (802.11a/b/g wireless card) ? |
| 01:56.40 | piper69 | lfs: installing debian from usb is something and booting with debian from a usb is something else |
| 01:56.47 | itchi | onurkar: Broadcom 440x 10/100 ethernet card |
| 01:57.00 | onurkar | amphi: eth connections have used to be always kind to me whenever i tried to get connected via them |
| 01:57.00 | itchi | onurkar: Spanish |
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| 01:57.34 | onurkar | itchi: i thought it was Spanish :( |
| 01:57.35 | piper69 | abrotman: that shows you how to install from usb |
| 01:57.46 | itchi | onurkar: The intel should work fine, i have a such one here |
| 01:58.04 | onurkar | itchi: ok let's give it a try |
| 01:58.08 | itchi | onurkar: See my wave _-_-_-_ intel been work :-p |
| 01:58.18 | onurkar | :-P |
| 01:58.20 | en1gma | if anyone has tried debian-live and knows a little bit about "casper-snapshot" could you please PM me as there is no one in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:58.43 | lfs | SHouldnt installing Debian on USB port be the same as installing on HDD? except maybe space constraint? |
| 01:59.03 | itchi | onurkar: I dunno about your laptop, i'm looking this http://individual.utoronto.ca/jaelle_kitty/inspiron6400/ |
| 01:59.11 | itchi | onurkar: (from tuxmobile) |
| 01:59.27 | sprink | lfs: yes pretty much |
| 01:59.30 | itchi | onurkar: But hold on |
| 01:59.50 | lfs | No one is home at debian-amd64. I guess I cant watch dance with the Stars |
| 01:59.54 | onurkar | itchi: and it says wireless works? |
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| 02:00.14 | abrotman | !usb install is also http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 02:00.15 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 02:00.22 | piper69 | en1gma: i am trying to install it in USB |
| 02:00.35 | itchi | onurkar: my ipw3945 works, so ... Look this, -> bla bla bla <- it been work the wifi :-) |
| 02:00.37 | lfs | HOw many GIGs? |
| 02:00.48 | piper69 | 1gb |
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| 02:01.18 | onurkar | itchi: hell what about mine? :( |
| 02:01.25 | amphi | onurkar: ditto my ipw2200 |
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| 02:01.40 | sprink | when I installed debian on a 1gb usb stick.. I didn't do anything different except install everything onto the usb partitions instead of my sata hdd partitions |
| 02:01.59 | amphi | onurkar: you... must... try... |
| 02:02.09 | lfs | I think my installation is about 3 GIGs. Is that right? |
| 02:02.09 | onurkar | yeap i know |
| 02:02.12 | amphi | onurkar: but it won't work for the netinstall |
| 02:02.13 | torrrr | is it recommended to do updates on etch? or is it better to leave the system be, and update only when something don't work? |
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| 02:02.19 | onurkar | thanks a lot |
| 02:02.23 | Szeraax | so i tried to get the mount win folder working. but saying rw in the fstab didnt work. the -w option didnt work. so i need to set the useridentifiers to allow non root writing\reading? |
| 02:02.27 | lfs | I did standard install with Database server. |
| 02:02.38 | itchi | onurkar: Should be no problem. Just the install goes a bit harder. You need to 'module-assistant' and compile the ipw3945 stuff with the module-assistant during the install process. I think your better to install the laptop with the wired card and then setup you wifi. Or give the wifi a try during the install |
| 02:02.42 | onurkar | amphi: i've cable :) |
| 02:03.04 | amphi | onurkar: rejoice ;) |
| 02:03.19 | lfs | How many Gigs is standard Debian install? |
| 02:03.29 | sprink | torrrr: if you're running testing I think you've already dis-obeyed recommendations |
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| 02:03.43 | onurkar | itchi: ok i'll follow your advices too,thanks a lot |
| 02:03.44 | itchi | lfs: 2.3 GB ? Try it out, if you make use of that tasksel thingy |
| 02:03.59 | Szeraax | lol, i'm using about 10 |
| 02:04.07 | torrrr | sprink, and? |
| 02:04.13 | Szeraax | nah, 7. available 10 |
| 02:04.18 | sprink | torrrr: so do whatever you want |
| 02:04.19 | itchi | onurkar: Setting up that ipw3945 is peace of cake. But not if you need to do that during the Debian installation as unexperimented user :-s |
| 02:04.24 | lfs | df is showing about 2.75 GIGs |
| 02:04.25 | sprink | torrrr: since you're doing it anyway |
| 02:04.38 | onurkar | amphi: hope that i can rejoice too :-P |
| 02:04.42 | Szeraax | set up deb once, get a feel for what YOU need and then kill and do it again |
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| 02:04.54 | Szeraax | or you can resize any as needed at any time |
| 02:04.58 | itchi | torrrr: You use the wrong Debian release! |
| 02:05.03 | amphi | onurkar: I do - start your netinstall NOW ;) |
| 02:05.09 | Szeraax | using fstab and a partitioner |
| 02:05.20 | itchi | onurkar: Have you 2 computers? |
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| 02:05.36 | onurkar | itchi: i also do not think i'll try to deal with setting up my wi-fi during the install |
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| 02:05.48 | onurkar | itchi: no actually not |
| 02:05.52 | itchi | onurkar: Better to avoid it the first times |
| 02:05.59 | torrrr | sprink, itchi stable debian doesn't install on current hardware. I wish I had an antique to run sarge on, but I couldn't find one. So it isn't "what I want" |
| 02:06.11 | torrrr | sprink, itchi it is what I have |
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| 02:06.39 | itchi | torrrr: You need to update your box regulary |
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| 02:06.54 | onurkar | amphi: i'm gone |
| 02:06.57 | onurkar | :) |
| 02:07.02 | itchi | onurkar: Good luck ;-) |
| 02:07.05 | torrrr | itchi, OK |
| 02:07.08 | itchi | onurkar: And HAVE fun :-) |
| 02:07.13 | onurkar | itchi: thanks :-) |
| 02:07.25 | dffd | hi . |
| 02:07.30 | amphi | I'm amphi, and I endorse itchi's sentiments |
| 02:07.32 | onurkar | itchi: either i or the laptop will have it :-P |
| 02:07.54 | itchi | :-) |
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| 02:13.05 | torrrr | what is this "policy for handling keymaps"? |
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| 02:16.47 | lhunath | my network card has been assigned eth1; there is not eth0; how do I change udev to assign the network device to eth0 instead of eth1? |
| 02:17.22 | trelly | is there an motherboard onboard ethernet adapter? |
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| 02:23.20 | karsten | lhunath: man ethtool |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | ifrename or udev rules |
| 02:23.58 | karsten | That too. |
| 02:24.24 | karsten | lhunath: 'ifconfig -a' should show all devices, 'lspci' should show all PCI devices, onboard orotherwise. |
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| 02:28.18 | Szeraax | when i try to use a debian cd and apt, i add it using base-config (just like your supposed to) however, not it says that it cannot find a cdrom drive with the cd in. I can mount the cd and explore it. and i tell it what device that is. and yet it wont work. anyone know why not? |
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| 02:30.06 | karsten | Szeraax: What kind of computer, what kind of CD drive? Can you read the disk in the same drive or a different one? |
| 02:30.25 | Szeraax | the drive is /dev/cdrw |
| 02:30.30 | Szeraax | dell latitude |
| 02:30.35 | piper69 | what does it mean "copy a working partition of debian onto a partition" can someone explain to me |
| 02:30.47 | karsten | piper69: Context? |
| 02:30.48 | Szeraax | i can mount /dev/cdrw and go into it no prob |
| 02:31.03 | Szeraax | installing i think |
| 02:31.08 | Azar | Szeraax: when you want to use apt with cd, #comment all other lines but the cd line. Then, when you want to use apt with online sources, reverse, #comment the cd line and uncomment the others |
| 02:31.17 | Azar | ..in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:31.20 | Szeraax | (his "working copy" thing... |
| 02:31.41 | Szeraax | haha |
| 02:31.45 | piper69 | karsten: what? |
| 02:31.48 | Szeraax | i've done that before. |
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| 02:32.12 | Szeraax | and it got real mad at me since it didnt have the proper package lists for the current package sources |
| 02:32.34 | ivl_ | Hello. How do I make debootstrap work through proxy? |
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| 02:33.10 | karsten | piper69: Precisely. |
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| 02:33.32 | karsten | ivl_: generally setting "http_proxy" to point to your (non-transparent) proxy works. |
| 02:33.42 | Azar | Szeraax: clean your sources.list if they are not correct then use "apt-setup" to get proper ones |
| 02:33.46 | karsten | ivl_: If it's an authenticating proxy, you 've got other problems. |
| 02:33.47 | piper69 | karsten: can you write a sentence please? |
| 02:33.54 | karsten | piper69: Likewise. |
| 02:33.57 | Szeraax | ok, will try... |
| 02:34.08 | karsten | piper69: What is the context of your original question? |
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| 02:34.27 | karsten | piper69: "what does it mean..." |
| 02:34.36 | Azar | Szeraax: a general overview of apt settings: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 02:34.41 | karsten | piper69: Start with "it" and defining it a tad, say. |
| 02:36.18 | abrotman | it is a pronoun |
| 02:36.25 | markybob | generally i find that if you stop smoking weed, things tend to become a lot clearer |
| 02:36.28 | piper69 | karsten: i am trying to install debian in a usb thumb drive and when i was reading the howto they talk about (0) connect and partition USB flashcard or harddisk |
| 02:36.33 | piper69 | (1) copy a working partition of debian onto a partition |
| 02:36.47 | karsten | piper69: URL? |
| 02:36.49 | Szeraax | hey lok, i was right a while ago |
| 02:36.54 | Azar | Szeraax: or this is a better apt setup explanation: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 02:37.36 | Szeraax | i've setup apt a number of times before. it just started doing this the other day |
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| 02:38.18 | piper69 | http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 02:38.20 | Azar | Szeraax: good for you then |
| 02:38.37 | Szeraax | alas, apt-setup still does not see my cd drive |
| 02:39.09 | karsten | piper69: And WRT my own pithy questions: you're the one looking for help, I'm the guy who might have the answers, I'm at work, trying to wrap up, got places to be, and your stating your problem clearly and fully helps loads. |
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| 02:39.18 | Szeraax | and now my apt sources are gone. will have to redo that stuff tomorrow.... |
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| 02:40.00 | karsten | piper69: In this case: copy the files on disk that you've prepared to the USB stick. |
| 02:40.12 | aptura | so 2.6.8 is the lattest kernel source for debian right? |
| 02:40.16 | markybob | Szeraax, way to not have backups. well done |
| 02:40.23 | karsten | piper69: You're doing a file-based copy, not imaging a filesystem onto the stick. The language on that page is less than clear on this. |
| 02:40.29 | markybob | aptura, in sarge |
| 02:40.32 | aptura | k |
| 02:40.51 | aptura | I am running 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 02:41.00 | aptura | I need sources for that |
| 02:41.02 | Szeraax | ofcourse i have backup |
| 02:41.21 | aptura | mark what is the meaning of sarge anyway |
| 02:41.25 | markybob | oh wtf |
| 02:41.27 | Szeraax | its a name |
| 02:41.34 | markybob | aptura, go back to ubuntu or whatever it is you use |
| 02:41.40 | Szeraax | kinda like how vista was longhorn |
| 02:41.52 | Szeraax | or vista is "vista" that's just it's name |
| 02:41.55 | aptura | mark, dont have a choice :)\ |
| 02:41.57 | mfrisch | longhorn eeeehhw |
| 02:41.59 | bknitram | Debian names are from toy story... |
| 02:42.03 | Szeraax | lol |
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| 02:42.12 | Szeraax | why not? |
| 02:42.18 | dkr | !tell aptura about toy story |
| 02:42.18 | Szeraax | theres plenty of characters |
| 02:42.23 | Szeraax | :P |
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| 02:42.41 | Szeraax | well, i'm off to go fiddle now. see you alls later |
| 02:42.49 | dkr | break a string |
| 02:42.51 | Szeraax | and thanks for the great help |
| 02:42.52 | aptura | cute |
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| 02:45.12 | bknitram | !tell bknitram about toy story |
| 02:45.27 | itchi | !tell bknitram about selftell |
| 02:45.29 | itchi | :-p |
| 02:46.04 | Azar | hahahahaha!!! bumpersticker: are you using Microsoft or Lennex OS? |
| 02:46.25 | mfrisch | Lennex are airconditioners |
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| 02:46.51 | bobby | where is the nice little option that allows me to forward packets through a gateway debian box? I can never find the file when I need it :( |
| 02:47.24 | mfrisch | bobby: masq is probally what you mean |
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| 02:47.45 | markybob | !nat |
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| 02:47.46 | dpkg | i guess nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 02:47.48 | bobby | probably |
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| 02:48.00 | markybob | bobby, see the above doc on nat |
| 02:48.03 | Azar | I am reading a forum with discussions related to: USDTV Subscribers Gouged For Linux USB Keys |
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| 02:48.19 | Azar | which keys are GPLed |
| 02:48.28 | bobby | there is a config file some where where you change ip_forward no to ip_forward yes |
| 02:48.32 | markybob | Azar, we really need to talk about *every* slashdot story you read? |
| 02:48.51 | Azar | markybob: oh no.. |
| 02:48.53 | itchi | I not have that $BROWSER doh! |
| 02:48.57 | dkr | Azar: heh, our Linux user group is hosted by USDTV |
| 02:49.05 | mfrisch | markybob: its new to him? |
| 02:49.20 | Azar | dkr wow |
| 02:49.36 | fericitu_ | when i restart apache2 recive :Forcing reload of web server: Apache2apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 02:49.49 | fericitu_ | wher is the problem ? |
| 02:49.56 | markybob | uh. it's what it says |
| 02:49.57 | itchi | fericitu_: ServerName |
| 02:49.58 | markybob | did you read it? |
| 02:50.48 | lokkju_wrk | I'm looking for someone that has an active vonage motorola vt1005v ATA - I just need you to either run a tftp command, or to give me the MAC address of your unit - I am attempting to provide some unlock methods for it, and to do so I need to get a new formware image. someone want to help me? |
| 02:51.11 | fericitu_ | i'm a noob ... i d'not know what and where i must modify |
| 02:51.27 | fericitu_ | please help me ! |
| 02:51.38 | itchi | fericitu_: Look in /etc/hosts |
| 02:52.07 | bobby | mfrisch, found it; have to change the 0 to a 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:52.09 | bobby | :) |
| 02:52.09 | mfrisch | lokkju_wrk: a vonage box...you want to unlock it or reflash it. goto #freepbx |
| 02:52.31 | markybob | !fqdn |
| 02:52.32 | dpkg | fqdn is probably Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 02:52.33 | itchi | fericitu_: Below the 127.0.0.1 add there your ip and a name my_comp.tuxland or whatever you want |
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| 02:53.07 | piper69 | karsten: i am lost |
| 02:53.29 | EmergeTW | anyone know of any livecds that support ncpfs besides knoppix or insert? |
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| 02:54.05 | manu_hack | a quick question I forgot where the dict file is and couldnt google it out ... |
| 02:54.49 | itchi | manu_hack: 'dict' the program? |
| 02:55.12 | manu_hack | i mean the file containing all the words for spell check |
| 02:55.38 | nn-knoppix-lapto | /var/lib/dictionaries-common |
| 02:55.58 | manu_hack | thx nn-knoppix-lapto |
| 02:56.41 | karsten | piper69: Find yourself a tree. |
| 02:56.53 | karsten | piper69: In the northern hemisphere, moss is on the north side. |
| 02:56.55 | Azar | oh no... don't hang him |
| 02:57.01 | karsten | piper69: In the sourthern, on the south. |
| 02:57.13 | karsten | piper69: I've gotta split. Remember, you're having fun. |
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| 02:58.16 | karsten | piper69: ... and if you see any wumpii, send 'em my way. |
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| 02:59.37 | abrotman | !feed karsten |
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| 03:01.32 | kds | I can't remember a command I used to read the cd-text from audio cd. Does anyone know? |
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| 03:06.46 | nn-knoppix-lapto | kds, whatis command |
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| 03:07.39 | kds | nn-knoppix-lapto: thats what I'm trying to remember.....the command |
| 03:07.47 | kds | been a while since I used it |
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| 03:10.12 | Catachan | so, SATA in the kernel can be highly annoying |
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| 03:10.57 | itchi | Catachan: Why? |
| 03:10.58 | markybob | Catachan, as opposed to sata in ...userspace? |
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| 03:11.08 | markybob | yeah, i'd bitchslap myself, too |
| 03:11.21 | piper69 | how can i check to see if my kernel support aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher |
| 03:11.29 | Catachan | well, when you have a sata hdd you have to boot from. . . |
| 03:11.34 | bbelt16ag | hello |
| 03:11.35 | Catachan | it has to be in the kernel |
| 03:11.38 | bbelt16ag | i got a question |
| 03:11.40 | itchi | piper69: Use you the stock kernel? |
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| 03:11.54 | markybob | piper69, zcat /proc/config.gz |grep -i sha |
| 03:11.54 | bbelt16ag | msg dpkg paster |
| 03:12.00 | piper69 | itchi: can you explain please |
| 03:12.16 | itchi | piper69: Look in you kernel config /boot/config-2.6.17-686 |
| 03:12.28 | Guerin | piper69: if you don't know what that means, you don't want to be using any kernel crypto |
| 03:12.45 | itchi | markybob: That's not enable default |
| 03:13.02 | piper69 | Guerin: i am trying to install Debian on a USB and this is on the tutorial |
| 03:13.02 | bbelt16ag | ok i got some bash script i need yall to look at and see what i am doing wrong pls it wont work.. |
| 03:13.09 | itchi | markybob: Should be enable in the kernel config that option |
| 03:13.14 | markybob | itchi, running stock kernel here and it works |
| 03:13.21 | Guerin | piper69: ffs |
| 03:13.23 | itchi | markybob: not here :-s |
| 03:13.30 | Guerin | you don't need an encrypted partition |
| 03:14.08 | bbelt16ag | ok link incoming |
| 03:14.11 | piper69 | Guerin: http://feraga.com/node/30 |
| 03:14.20 | Azar | wow mama!!! this hasn't happened to me back in august last year when I upgraded to etch! now the upgrade automatically removes xfree86 and replaces it with xorg , also the meta kernel and the 2.6.18 kernel-images are installed! |
| 03:14.24 | bbelt16ag | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5857 |
| 03:14.38 | bbelt16ag | i cant get my while loop to let go for some reason it just hangs.. |
| 03:14.48 | Guerin | piper69: why do I care? |
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| 03:14.54 | Azar | this is major surgery... no is a full transplant! |
| 03:15.06 | itchi | markybob: Are you sure you run a stock kernel? |
| 03:15.12 | Azar | Guerin: because you are happily married? |
| 03:15.22 | markybob | itchi, am i sure? wtf? yes, i'm sure. |
| 03:15.48 | itchi | markybob: Cause of on none of my boxes, that is enabled |
| 03:15.59 | Guerin | fwiw /proc/config.gz isn't on my stock kernel either |
| 03:16.11 | itchi | markybob: I know that it is a kernel option to activate. I'm thinking it's not enabled, according to all my comps here |
| 03:16.13 | markybob | 2.6.18-4-amd64 -- it is here. that's all i can say |
| 03:16.19 | markybob | amd64 only thing ? |
| 03:16.22 | Guerin | funky |
| 03:16.23 | Catachan | basically, it can't boot if SATA isn't builtin |
| 03:16.38 | itchi | markybob: On a K7 not |
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| 03:16.55 | itchi | Catachan: right |
| 03:17.10 | markybob | fucking fuck. is there some place to look up debian's various kernel configs? |
| 03:17.19 | itchi | markybob: Looks like the amd64 have enabled that then :-s |
| 03:17.21 | piper69 | Guerin: why do you jump and answear then |
| 03:17.24 | bbelt16ag | *AFK* BRB |
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| 03:17.26 | bbelt16ag | send msg |
| 03:18.05 | Guerin | piper69: because if you're doing something over-complicated you're going to spend hours annoying everyone in here with trivial questions, and I'm trying to simplify your process. |
| 03:18.54 | piper69 | Guerin: and do i care if i annoying you...hmmmm no |
| 03:19.04 | Azar | holly cow 700MB of archives.. |
| 03:19.24 | Azar | that is an entire new system being installed |
| 03:19.29 | itchi | hehe |
| 03:19.39 | itchi | i had got 360 MB :-p |
| 03:19.39 | Azar | I don't remember how big Sarge upgrade was |
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| 03:19.53 | itchi | Azar: Depend of the stuff you have installed too |
| 03:19.55 | Azar | itchi: yeah you are right that 700MB is for a desktop |
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| 03:20.15 | Azar | itchi: woody was only base install with VERY minor addons. |
| 03:20.20 | Azar | no .dm |
| 03:20.42 | itchi | Azar: Not select some stuff in tasksel?? |
| 03:20.48 | Azar | I could assume the Sarge upgrade was maybe in the range of 200+ MB |
| 03:20.53 | Xptical | Can I install Debian on a headless machine via SSH or telnet? |
| 03:20.56 | Azar | itchi: no.. |
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| 03:21.15 | Azar | just xserver, openoffice, openbox, xmms, irssi and few games |
| 03:21.32 | itchi | Xptical: yes, there are ways... Euhm, what's that factoid again?? |
| 03:21.35 | Azar | I never used tasksel |
| 03:21.49 | Azar | gonna look at server upgrade to see how much is |
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| 03:22.08 | Xptical | I saw one from back in the day...like 2004 |
| 03:22.08 | itchi | Azar: Me either :-) euhm, yeah maybe 2 or 3 times, in begin ... |
| 03:22.13 | Xptical | biut it required a pre-existing install |
| 03:22.16 | piper69 | 'mkfs.ext2 /dev/mapper/rootfs return mke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 03:22.17 | piper69 | /dev/mapper/rootfs is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 03:22.23 | markybob | Xptical, http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 03:22.41 | itchi | Xptical: No, i think the Etch support it better |
| 03:22.47 | itchi | Xptical: hold on |
| 03:22.56 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 03:23.03 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help pls? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5857 |
| 03:23.10 | mcgreg | will this cpu "AMD Athlon 64 BOX AM2 X2" run good with debian and what cpu-type is it? is it "amd64" ? |
| 03:23.13 | itchi | !remote install |
| 03:23.13 | dpkg | remote install is probably Yes, Virginia, you can install Debian remotely via chroot, and some luck. See http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 03:23.22 | itchi | Xptical: See ^ that too |
| 03:23.26 | markybob | bbelt16ag, #bash |
| 03:23.33 | bbelt16ag | their ignoring me :( |
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| 03:23.45 | Azar | ahhh yes, 217MB for server.. most likely |
| 03:23.47 | markybob | mcgreg, yes |
| 03:24.00 | bbelt16ag | ok there |
| 03:24.07 | Xptical | thanks all... |
| 03:24.11 | markybob | bbelt16ag, that's because you obviously havent read the faq |
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| 03:25.04 | Azar | I guess I am not gonna even have that keeping in mind I don't use .dm nor samba apache and other stuff. I stay minimal |
| 03:25.15 | mcgreg | and if I want to make a new install on a fresh and completely empty comoputer, do I ned the netinstall cd-images? (for netinstall) |
| 03:25.36 | Azar | mcgreg: aren't they on topic? /topic |
| 03:25.48 | Xptical | the process looks pretty ghetto. Maybe I'll just grab a monitor and KB for a netinstall.... |
| 03:27.10 | itchi | Xptical: Is it near to you? |
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| 03:29.24 | piper69 | i am useing irssi-text mode, there was some good info here that i don't want to loose. is there is a way i can save it? |
| 03:29.31 | Xptical | yeah |
| 03:29.40 | piper69 | how please? |
| 03:29.43 | Xptical | it's easier to move a cable |
| 03:29.53 | Xptical | I just wanted to try something different |
| 03:30.06 | itchi | Heh, that's 'Linux From Scratch' info, that link? |
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| 03:30.16 | itchi | The 'remote install' link |
| 03:31.13 | itchi | Xptical: Anyway, you need to connect a keyboard and a monitor, to 'start' the install |
| 03:31.36 | enouf | maybe something over at debian-administration.org |
| 03:32.10 | enouf | oe even wiki.debian.org .. or even the ig |
| 03:32.53 | Dewi | enouf: what's an ig? |
| 03:32.58 | itchi | enouf: GNU/Linux :-p |
| 03:32.59 | enouf | !ig |
| 03:32.59 | dpkg | well, ig is I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ (for all ARCHs, and in various formats for Etch/Testing) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1 ... 3.1r5). |
| 03:33.04 | Dewi | oh |
| 03:33.10 | Dewi | that makes sense |
| 03:33.11 | Dewi | :) |
| 03:33.14 | itchi | enouf: You know, i love more GNU as Linux haha |
| 03:33.18 | piper69 | !save |
| 03:33.31 | enouf | itchi: heh |
| 03:33.57 | enouf | piper69: install dlocate and run as root updatedb; then dlocate irssi |
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| 03:34.41 | Dewi | (oops, didn't invoke the factoid) |
| 03:34.43 | Dewi | !suicide |
| 03:34.55 | itchi | muahahah |
| 03:35.24 | phatfsck | blah |
| 03:35.32 | enouf | piper69: /usr/share/irssi/help/log |
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| 03:36.16 | maximilianoadl | hi |
| 03:36.34 | itchi | hoi |
| 03:36.38 | hark | HOLA |
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| 03:37.34 | maximilianoadl | im trying to make genius netscroll mouse's wheel works on etch... |
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| 03:37.44 | maximilianoadl | it is a serial mouse |
| 03:37.56 | maximilianoadl | ive got working the 3 buttons but the wheel |
| 03:38.18 | nn-knoppix-lapto | bye |
| 03:38.23 | maximilianoadl | ive used ttyS0 as device and IntelliMouse as protocol |
| 03:39.33 | piper69 | enouf: thank you |
| 03:39.39 | piper69 | BBL |
| 03:39.40 | Xorm | http://bash.org/?31 |
| 03:39.43 | Xorm | TRUTH |
| 03:39.57 | amphi | zaxismapping? |
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| 03:41.10 | maximilianoadl | ive reading about Option "ZAxisMapping" "X" but i dont understand what im reading |
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| 03:43.48 | rellik | when I 'apt-get install imagemagick' I get a dependency error on PHP5. I doubt that imagemagick needs PHP5.. what else might be causing this? |
| 03:45.12 | markybob | php5-imagick |
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| 03:45.29 | rellik | huh? |
| 03:45.50 | markybob | php5-imagick depends on libmagick |
| 03:46.03 | kds | rellik: no dependency on php5 for imagemagick though |
| 03:46.29 | rellik | markybob, I'm not asking what depends on libmargick |
| 03:47.09 | kingsley | Why would dmesg report a SCSI device as being on an IDE interface? |
| 03:47.12 | markybob | rellik, in a roundabout way, you are, because imagemagick depends on it |
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| 03:47.36 | markybob | rellik it's a dependency circle |
| 03:47.42 | kds | rellik: and imagemagick is being upgraded ..... which php5-imagick might need |
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| 03:47.57 | kds | rellik: see if you can do away with php5-imagick |
| 03:48.10 | kds | rellik: or you can just wait a few days |
| 03:48.30 | scruffy | can someone give me a hand with ndiswrapper? -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/5859 |
| 03:49.08 | rellik | kds, any idea what would be causing this error? I'm thinking I tried to install something a while ago, which failed, and now it fails every time I run apt-get install |
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| 03:49.36 | omg0 | My sound module is being loaded twice during the bootup process. How can I remove one |
| 03:49.56 | rellik | kds, what happens in a few days? it's been giving this error for over a week |
| 03:49.56 | kds | rellik: what is the exact message you get |
| 03:50.02 | simonrvn | !tell DawnLight -about root |
| 03:50.28 | itchi | scruffy: Look in your /var/log/messages |
| 03:50.31 | kds | rellik: a few days was for php5-imagemagick so that it gets a new upload and the dependency problem goes away |
| 03:50.51 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 03:51.10 | kds | rellik: are you running testing or unstable. On unstable I usually have to wait a few days if there is a dependency problem. |
| 03:51.52 | scruffy | itchi: produces just a sole line when I modprobe ndiswrapper -> Mar 27 18:49:12 localhost kernel: ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no) |
| 03:52.11 | markybob | doesnt ndiswrapper not work with preempt ? |
| 03:52.19 | rellik | kds, no, that wasn't the issue.. for some reason it is remembering what I tried to install before, and trying to insatll it again.. why the dependency fails I have no idea.. but I don't care too much about php5 so I just am gonna skip it with -f |
| 03:52.36 | kds | rellik: what happens with apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:52.48 | lkthomas | anyone have experience with snmp ? I did config snmpd.conf to allow localhost to connect, but snmpwalk said no response from localhost |
| 03:52.49 | kds | rellik: or try apt-get -s upgrade |
| 03:52.51 | itchi | scruffy: hhhmm, what tells dmesg about it? |
| 03:52.57 | Azar | I need some clarification on this wording: running aptitude interactively << what this means? |
| 03:53.08 | scruffy | markybob: say what? ohhhhh boy.. if that is true, how would one de-preempt my kernel? :) |
| 03:53.12 | itchi | Azar: The TUI ? |
| 03:53.17 | markybob | Azar, the menu. |
| 03:53.28 | Azar | ah thanks itchi, markybob |
| 03:53.33 | kds | !TUI |
| 03:53.34 | dpkg | somebody said tui was text user interface |
| 03:53.48 | Azar | itchi: menu is GUI and I do not use that :) |
| 03:53.51 | markybob | scruffy, ask in #ndiswrapper to be sure |
| 03:53.52 | Azar | I use TUI |
| 03:53.59 | scruffy | itchi: dmesg tells me it failed and to check /var/log/messages. :) |
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| 03:54.17 | itchi | scruffy: Ask on #ndiswrapper then :-s |
| 03:54.33 | scruffy | markybob: suppose it is true, do you know how I remove the preempt from my kernel (is that possible??) |
| 03:54.37 | scruffy | itchi: will do |
| 03:54.42 | scruffy | itchi: thanks |
| 03:54.44 | itchi | scruffy: Sure that you not have skip a line in /var/log/messages ? |
| 03:54.56 | distatica | Is there a name for using a debian stable system and installing only specific testing packages? I'm trying to google it but i'm not sure what it would be called. |
| 03:54.59 | itchi | scruffy: Maybe look again |
| 03:55.07 | scruffy | itchi: absolutely positive. |
| 03:55.19 | markybob | scruffy, reconfiguring it. i wonder how you got it in the first place. are you sure you're not using ubuntu? it's not in stock debian kernels |
| 03:55.21 | itchi | distatica: pining ? |
| 03:55.23 | DawnLight | enouf: are you here? just wanted to let you know that i've updated the firmware on that suckass modem and everything is cool. later |
| 03:55.31 | DawnLight | exit |
| 03:55.37 | enouf | !love dansushi |
| 03:55.44 | enouf | mwahahaha |
| 03:55.50 | enouf | apologies dansushi |
| 03:55.55 | itchi | !pinning |
| 03:55.56 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 03:55.58 | distatica | itchi: found some information immediately, thank you. |
| 03:56.07 | itchi | distatica: See dpkg's message above |
| 03:56.14 | distatica | ok, thanks. |
| 03:56.15 | scruffy | markybob: yep positive.. Debian unstable, installed kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:56.46 | scruffy | markybob: how does one reconfigure a kernel-image package? |
| 03:57.00 | markybob | scruffy, just apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:57.12 | itchi | scruffy: There's nothing to reconfigure about that |
| 03:57.26 | itchi | scruffy: Tell you about the .config? |
| 03:57.32 | itchi | s/Tell/Talk/ |
| 03:57.34 | scruffy | markybob: therein lies the problem... no ethernet jack, only wireless card. ThinkPad 600 |
| 03:57.54 | scruffy | markybob: maybe I can copy over dependencies on a flash drive? |
| 03:58.00 | Azar | scruffy: if you prepare for an upgrade is better to make use of "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" to clean up |
| 03:58.02 | Guerin | clayasaurus: use apt-move |
| 03:58.05 | Guerin | bah |
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| 03:58.10 | Guerin | scruffy: use apt-move |
| 03:58.15 | Azar | scruffy: ...and ofcourse aptitude install kernel |
| 03:58.18 | markybob | good...guerin's got this ;) i'm gonna go to the pub. see you guys |
| 03:58.25 | Guerin | scruffy: what witeless card? |
| 03:58.40 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:58.40 | Azar | welcome back massa Guerin |
| 03:58.48 | Guerin | markybob: have one for me |
| 03:58.55 | markybob | Guerin, will do |
| 03:58.57 | Azar | have fun markybob |
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| 03:59.42 | scruffy | Guerin: Netgear WG511 v2 (previously had it working) |
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| 04:00.35 | Guerin | scruffy: oh, i think that's a madwifi jobbie, no? |
| 04:00.57 | scruffy | Guerin: nope, ndiswrappers with the Windows 2000 driver off the CD-ROM |
| 04:01.14 | Guerin | !pity scruffy |
| 04:01.15 | dpkg | I pity da fool scruffy! |
| 04:01.48 | scruffy | Guerin: hehe was working fine before kernel upgrade |
| 04:02.51 | scruffy | Guerin: how do I de-preempt my kernel? markybob said install 2.6-386 to replace my 2.6-3-386 |
| 04:03.49 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:03.53 | Guerin | scruffy: what cpu? |
| 04:04.13 | Azar | hahaha a meta |
| 04:04.30 | scruffy | Guerin: a fabulous Pentium classic at the grand ol' speed of 233 Mhz, and i386 |
| 04:04.39 | Guerin | awesome |
| 04:04.44 | scruffy | s/an/and/ |
| 04:04.51 | Guerin | so you actually need a -386 kernel |
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| 04:05.08 | Azar | hey isnt't 386 obsoleted in etch? |
| 04:05.17 | scruffy | Guerin: right, and I have one installed - kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 04:05.17 | Guerin | yes, they're actually 486 |
| 04:05.29 | Guerin | but don't tell anyone |
| 04:05.37 | Azar | then scruffy is in the tree? |
| 04:05.54 | Azar | hey! I want my 8080 back |
| 04:05.55 | scruffy | Azar: the ndiswrapper module? |
| 04:06.07 | Azar | scruffy: no worry, was not about that |
| 04:06.13 | Azar | just joking |
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| 04:06.47 | scruffy | Azar: have I tossed it out the window into the tree yet? I'm ready to, yes :) |
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| 04:07.18 | Azar | scruffy: I was not paying attention at your issue, I let markybob and Guerin to spoonfed you.. |
| 04:07.29 | scruffy | Azar: no problem :) |
| 04:07.34 | Azar | Guerin I have a good chuckle story for you from wtf |
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| 04:08.15 | Azar | Guerin: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/That_0x27_s_Not_Totally_What_I_Meant.aspx |
| 04:09.25 | Guerin | ... |
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| 04:10.52 | Azar | scruffy: I was looking up the threads, your issue is really confusing, when you need help it would be nice first to state some hardware specs to see how old/new is , your Debian version, kernel version .... then what your problem is. Saves a lot of time |
| 04:11.02 | Guerin | nah |
| 04:11.17 | Azar | Guerin: I know you can guess easily.. |
| 04:11.21 | Azar | :) |
| 04:11.24 | Guerin | he just needs to boot the working kernel, download a bunch of ndiscrapper shite, and build it for the new kernel |
| 04:11.43 | Guerin | but since I've never used ndiscrapper, i know not how to make this happen |
| 04:12.08 | Azar | ... so you liked the floppy disc story? |
| 04:12.12 | scruffy | Azar: okay, thanks. did you also see my paste URL? |
| 04:12.18 | Guerin | *liked* is too strong a word |
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| 04:12.41 | DocPlatypus | it's cute... though I think the 4X cup holder is a bit better |
| 04:12.45 | Azar | scruffy: no, but if Guerin can't much less I since I am just an apprentice |
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| 04:12.59 | DocPlatypus | LOL... ndiscrapper |
| 04:13.22 | DocPlatypus | and that's exactly what it is, a crapper |
| 04:13.22 | Daveman | :O |
| 04:13.22 | Daveman | man |
| 04:13.32 | Azar | haha |
| 04:13.35 | Guerin | buy ralink cards |
| 04:13.37 | Daveman | ndiswrapper isn't shit. |
| 04:13.38 | Guerin | they Just Work |
| 04:13.41 | Guerin | yes, it is |
| 04:13.48 | scruffy | Azar, Guerin: I may have to reinstall from my 6 Sarge CDs. :( |
| 04:13.59 | Guerin | it requires you to build broken proprietary shit to stick in your kernel |
| 04:14.02 | Daveman | though it's certainly not an incentive to buy shitty chipsets, and expect them to [miraculously] work :P |
| 04:14.08 | DocPlatypus | Daveman: given its entire role is to let you pollute a free system with non-free drivers not even written for the same OS... yes, it's a crapper |
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| 04:14.43 | Daveman | fine. |
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| 04:14.54 | DocPlatypus | my advice is to buy networking gear that will work with OpenBSD, even if you never plan to run it. usually if it works in OpenBSD it will work anywhere |
| 04:14.56 | Guerin | it's like ... hey, what's this brown solvent-smelling stuff in this can? Let's just put it in the fuel tank anyway! |
| 04:15.00 | scruffy | Daveman: I don't like it either, though all the hardware was free, so I thought I'd make it work. It *was* working until I did a dist-upgrade |
| 04:15.13 | liable | buy atheros |
| 04:15.19 | Daveman | heh |
| 04:15.24 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: actually, the obsd ralink drivers are *far* superior to the linux drivers |
| 04:15.24 | DocPlatypus | scruffy: that hardware isn't free, it's quite the opposite, as in enslaving |
| 04:15.28 | krazykit | atheros, intel, and ralink |
| 04:15.28 | Azar | sugar in the gasoline tank!!!!! |
| 04:15.42 | Guerin | intel would be a last choice, since it needs teh firmware |
| 04:15.43 | Daveman | woo. |
| 04:15.45 | krazykit | Guerin, even the newer ralink drivers based on the dscape stack? |
| 04:15.46 | DocPlatypus | krazykit: last I checked there was a hangup with Intel |
| 04:15.55 | krazykit | ehh... |
| 04:15.56 | scruffy | DocPlatypus: free as in beer.. as in, "here Brian, want this laptop and wireless card?" :) |
| 04:15.57 | DocPlatypus | yeah the $%&#*@@! firmware boondoggle |
| 04:16.05 | Guerin | krazykit: i limit my comments to those based on rt2x00 chipsets |
| 04:16.09 | krazykit | intel's not the freeest, but it's better than ndiswrapper shens |
| 04:16.10 | Guerin | since that's all I have |
| 04:16.12 | omg0_ | I am running DSL now. They have a version of xchat that I downloaded using apt-get from the debian site |
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| 04:16.19 | itchi | here* |
| 04:16.19 | DocPlatypus | scruffy: handcuffs are free too if you throw a rock at a police car |
| 04:16.33 | Guerin | i just LOVE the intel why-we-can't-allow-free-drivers disclaimer |
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| 04:16.36 | Guerin | it's a hoot |
| 04:16.38 | scruffy | see you folks later :) |
| 04:16.41 | Xorm | lulz. |
| 04:16.47 | DocPlatypus | same with free mobile phones |
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| 04:16.50 | Xorm | I got confused because my nickname is scruffy. |
| 04:17.01 | Xorm | Etch is coool =D |
| 04:17.11 | krazykit | sometimes you're stuck getting a certain card because of stupid laptop restrictions (never buying hp or compaq again :-() |
| 04:17.15 | liable | intel arent the only ones, atheros is the same, but theres work on making a free hal |
| 04:17.25 | Xorm | All the stuff that I couldn't get to work in Sarge seems easy now. |
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| 04:17.34 | DocPlatypus | krazykit: I would never buy a laptop PC that ships with Windows anyway |
| 04:17.42 | omg0_ | is encore cards linux friendly? |
| 04:17.42 | hark | haha |
| 04:17.48 | Azar | krazykit: no wonder hp does not honor warranty on hardware if you install linux on it |
| 04:17.51 | DocPlatypus | unless you convinced HP/Compaq to do a Windows refund for a reasonable amount? |
| 04:17.52 | itchi | DocPlatypus: You never more buy a laptop then |
| 04:18.04 | krazykit | Azar, i just don't tell theim i'm running linux >_> |
| 04:18.13 | DocPlatypus | itchi: my friend bought a laptop without Windows on it from RK Computers |
| 04:18.15 | Guerin | krazykit: solution: buy centrino |
| 04:18.15 | krazykit | omg0_, looking on newegg? |
| 04:18.59 | Azar | there are online stores that sell naked hardware |
| 04:18.59 | DocPlatypus | just to name one supplier. there are at least... a dozen or so |
| 04:19.00 | DocPlatypus | that reminds me |
| 04:19.00 | itchi | DocPlatypus: In Europe? |
| 04:19.00 | Azar | last year I bought a box for a friend with only dos on it.. |
| 04:19.06 | itchi | Azar: DOS is evil too :-p |
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| 04:19.15 | krazykit | omg0_, as i recall, my encore card was rt2500 based, but sometimes they change stuff totally randomly |
| 04:19.19 | omg0_ | krazykit: no. I was at a store in my hood and they had one for $25 but when I plug it into the DSLn it recognize it so I left it |
| 04:19.27 | DocPlatypus | itchi: I'm in the US. in France the law requires them to unbundle the hardware and software |
| 04:19.28 | Azar | itchi: well they had to show me that the hardware is running... it needed something on |
| 04:19.33 | DocPlatypus | that I know because someone told me |
| 04:19.46 | Guerin | !intel |
| 04:19.51 | itchi | DocPlatypus: Here in Belgium is the same law. But .... Think you that these bastards listen? |
| 04:19.55 | Guerin | dpkg: hello? |
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| 04:19.56 | dpkg | Hi, guerin! |
| 04:19.57 | DocPlatypus | itchi: it's the *law* |
| 04:20.00 | omg0_ | krazykit: decided I would research it before I toook it home |
| 04:20.13 | Guerin | dpkg, intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 04:20.14 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 04:20.21 | DocPlatypus | if they don't listen... go to court |
| 04:20.37 | krazykit | omg0_, good call. ndiswrapper's site has a link to a massive list of cards and their chipsets |
| 04:20.41 | itchi | DocPlatypus: Same story goes for protected DVD. The law say no way, but the bastards still 'runs' the way of protectings these |
| 04:21.06 | krazykit | heh, i had to edit my intel card's eeprom to make it look hp-branded |
| 04:21.07 | DocPlatypus | itchi: you don't have stupid DMCA. so grab a copy of DeCSS and rip away |
| 04:21.25 | itchi | DocPlatypus: Yeah, but ... |
| 04:21.40 | DocPlatypus | my understanding was that region free DVD players were the norm over there |
| 04:21.45 | itchi | DocPlatypus: It was just to tell you, like you told about the French law there |
| 04:21.46 | DocPlatypus | maybe that is off |
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| 04:21.55 | omg0_ | can you make the window of QEMU full screen after you started the guess OS? |
| 04:21.59 | DocPlatypus | time to take someone to court then |
| 04:22.04 | DocPlatypus | omg0: ctrl+alt+f |
| 04:22.06 | omg0_ | this small screen is huring my eyes |
| 04:22.30 | itchi | DocPlatypus: It's not about the region protection i talk. About the copy protections they use and that it make his DVD lesser compatible with the hardware |
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| 04:23.15 | DocPlatypus | itchi: I forget who told me but I was told in France they do listen because they know it's the law... they don't like it, but they do listen |
| 04:23.30 | itchi | DocPlatypus: On the computer, mostly it's not a trouble, but that suck when you buy a DVD and it not work(tm) in the saloon DVD player |
| 04:24.05 | dbw | kds: hi |
| 04:24.16 | dbw | i asked for apache help a while ago and went afk >.< |
| 04:24.44 | dbw | you asked if i configured the php file type... no i didn't, but it worked before without me doing anything |
| 04:24.48 | dbw | it's apache2 |
| 04:25.26 | hark | !install php |
| 04:25.26 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
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| 04:26.03 | kds | dbw: apache2 ..... I have apache only. I have had the problem too when the server sends the file to download the file even though all settings are as earlier. It has fixed itself after a restart (maybe). |
| 04:26.19 | dbw | all right let's try a restart |
| 04:26.39 | kds | dbw: just the server though ;) (we are not on Windows) |
| 04:27.00 | dbw | yeah no difference |
| 04:27.08 | dbw | you think it's something to do with mod-mime? |
| 04:27.31 | hark | restart your browser? |
| 04:27.34 | kds | dpkg says "restart your browser" ...... don't know why that is required!! |
| 04:27.35 | dpkg | kds: that's too long |
| 04:27.38 | omg0 | docPlatypus: Ctrl+Alt+F killed my Windows 2k box. It took over the screen and went into permanent sleep on the video |
| 04:27.56 | dbw | hark: it's not my browser. |
| 04:27.57 | kds | dpkg: shutup |
| 04:27.57 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
| 04:28.07 | dbw | same if i try from here, school, or if kds tries o.o |
| 04:28.19 | dbw | or you: http://ereb.us |
| 04:28.20 | DocPlatypus | omg0: what's a 2K? |
| 04:28.33 | dbw | twice as much as 1k? |
| 04:28.41 | kds | dbw: yes, no change |
| 04:29.00 | itchi | DocPlatypus: w2k |
| 04:29.05 | omg0 | docPlatypus: k - kilo - 1000 |
| 04:29.06 | DocPlatypus | and last I checked this wasn't a Windows channel |
| 04:29.13 | dbw | hm lessee maybe i should load mime-magic |
| 04:29.18 | kds | kilo - 1024 :p |
| 04:29.19 | DocPlatypus | omg0: Microsoft never released a "Windows 2K". |
| 04:29.25 | DocPlatypus | that's verifiable fact |
| 04:29.48 | itchi | DocPlatypus: it's win 2000 |
| 04:29.57 | omg0 | docPlatypus: you are being overly technical |
| 04:30.05 | dbw | *forehead |
| 04:30.37 | itchi | dbw: forhead was good, like you have broken it by slapping it :-p |
| 04:30.38 | omg0 | docPlatypus: 2k = 2000 |
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| 04:31.33 | DocPlatypus | omg0: and I only happen to know that out of chance. there's much less confusion when you actually type what's on the box or CD |
| 04:31.44 | DocPlatypus | and I say this from experience |
| 04:31.47 | dbw | DocPlatypus: you've got to be kidding me |
| 04:31.56 | itchi | DocPlatypus: w2k should it be |
| 04:32.00 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 04:32.04 | dbw | anyway |
| 04:32.07 | omg0 | docPlatypus: :-) and I really did laugh |
| 04:32.10 | dbw | i loaded mime-magic, didn't do anything |
| 04:32.14 | Xorm | Should I run WINE in 2000 or XP mode? |
| 04:32.16 | itchi | not 2k |
| 04:32.18 | Xorm | Does it make a difference? |
| 04:32.26 | dbw | kds: where would you set up the php filetype in an apache install? |
| 04:32.34 | dbw | it's likely the same place in apache2 |
| 04:32.49 | itchi | Xorm: Yeah, there's a diff, avoid to run wine at all. Look for alternative apps |
| 04:32.50 | DocPlatypus | Xorm: depends on what you plan to run with it. |
| 04:32.56 | enouf | try XPoop[tm] mode |
| 04:32.57 | Xorm | I want to run Soldat T_T |
| 04:32.58 | kds | dbw: I don't think so. In apache it is only one file i.e. /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 04:32.59 | DocPlatypus | try one, if it fails, try another |
| 04:33.06 | Xorm | I've heard people have gotten it to work |
| 04:33.12 | Xorm | I haven't been as lucky. |
| 04:33.16 | kds | dbw: apache2 I hear is very modular |
| 04:33.31 | Xorm | It looks like I'll need to install directX or something. |
| 04:33.32 | omg0 | docPlatypus: Sorry. We typically describe it as such in a win 2k environment which is where I been mostly |
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| 04:33.41 | dbw | yeah that's true... httpd.conf does nothing, apache2.conf has a lot of stuff in it tho |
| 04:33.48 | itchi | omg0: w2k :-p |
| 04:34.19 | omg0 | itchi: that 2. To be even shorter |
| 04:34.26 | dbw | hmm this looks promising |
| 04:34.46 | dbw | nope. |
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| 04:35.42 | omg0 | who will volunteer to help me make my box boot cleanly. |
| 04:35.53 | dbw | all right, i'm heading to #apache.... thanks for your help kds :) |
| 04:35.57 | kds | dbw: look in /etc/apach2/mods-available/ or /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 04:36.04 | kds | urw dbw |
| 04:36.07 | kds | goodluck |
| 04:36.08 | itchi | omg0: Remove w2k and it will be fine :-) :-) |
| 04:36.09 | dbw | kds: yeah, i've looked there, dunno what i'm looking for tho |
| 04:36.10 | dbw | :P |
| 04:36.20 | omg0 | I have couple things loading or attempting to load more than once |
| 04:36.27 | omg0 | not on that box |
| 04:36.32 | itchi | hehe :-p |
| 04:36.42 | kds | omg0: I tried initng to improve boot time, didn't go well. back to init :p |
| 04:36.49 | omg0 | itchi: All I have on the box to fix is debian |
| 04:37.04 | omg0 | kds: lol |
| 04:37.28 | omg0 | kds: not very encouraging are we |
| 04:37.43 | kds | surprisingly it booted only once, boot time was reduced from 53s to 43s. Couldn't boot with initng after that |
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| 04:37.59 | kds | omg0: no, not in a good mood after initng today :( |
| 04:38.19 | omg0 | well the most important one is to remove one of the sound card modules from loading |
| 04:38.48 | omg0 | I need to also make the box more kid friendly before I turn it over to my daughter |
| 04:38.55 | kds | omg0: install bootchart and see what increases the boot time |
| 04:39.29 | \amethyst | lunitik: some people don't have virtualization so can't use windows full-speed without rebooting :( |
| 04:39.33 | itchi | lunitik: Have you try a LFS install? You gona understand :-) |
| 04:39.37 | omg0 | kds: I don't want to go that technical as I am moving the box to her room |
| 04:39.43 | \amethyst | s/so/and so/ |
| 04:39.48 | lunitik | \amethyst: why would they want to use it at all? |
| 04:40.01 | kds | omg0: how old is she? |
| 04:40.07 | omg0 | I just 7 |
| 04:40.19 | omg0 | kds: 7 |
| 04:40.24 | \amethyst | lunitik: Because their USB dildo doesn't have Linux drivers yet? |
| 04:40.24 | lunitik | itchi: yes actually... pain to maintain :( |
| 04:40.25 | liable | lunitik: also seeing as suspend doesnt work (reliably) on a lot of laptops.. |
| 04:40.34 | kds | cool, you installed kids stuff on it .... Linux Kids :D |
| 04:40.57 | \amethyst | I don't know what the kids are using the Windows for these days |
| 04:40.59 | kds | omg0: her on irc on #debian-women too |
| 04:41.19 | omg0 | kds: no just left with the default |
| 04:41.31 | omg0 | it has enough games on it already |
| 04:41.58 | itchi | omg0: There's gcompris for the kids, kinda nice |
| 04:42.01 | omg0 | and she goes to the websites she sees on tv so I just need to get it to work with those |
| 04:42.12 | kds | omg0: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8288 |
| 04:42.19 | itchi | omg0: http://gcompris.net/ |
| 04:44.05 | itchi | lunitik: bah, just make use of a source package manager like paco for example. |
| 04:44.33 | itchi | lunitik: But sure, LFS is the hard way, a nice way to learn much about GNU/Linux |
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| 04:49.36 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 04:49.37 | dpkg | i heard qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off |
| 04:50.01 | liable | hehe |
| 04:50.46 | omg0 | kds: interesting |
| 04:51.15 | liquidfx | anybody know what's the difference between opera9 static binary and opera9 binary? |
| 04:51.19 | kds | yep, lots of stuff for the kids too on GNU/Linux |
| 04:51.25 | omg0 | itchi: I bookmarked them both |
| 04:51.43 | centrx | liquidfx opera9 static includes all the libraries it needs |
| 04:51.44 | \amethyst | liquidfx: static binary has the library dependencies linked in |
| 04:51.47 | Cholito | I have this kernel installed: linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 on a i386 system, but somehow the nvidia installer is telling me that I have an amd64 system. How can I avoid that error? |
| 04:51.51 | omg0 | her mother is somewhat upset at me cause I have spent too much time on it |
| 04:52.08 | omg0 | I had a problem with the sound that Guerin help me fix |
| 04:52.10 | \amethyst | liquidfx: which is a good thing, since they aren't going to recompile your opera 9 as Debian changes libraries :) |
| 04:52.26 | kds | omg0: known problem, WONT FIX :p |
| 04:52.31 | omg0 | she thinks I chat too much. She cannot relate to this online help stuff |
| 04:52.33 | liquidfx | i c.....thanks |
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| 04:53.36 | itchi | omg0: What's the problem of the sound card? |
| 04:54.10 | omg0 | how do I check the logon log? |
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| 04:54.28 | itchi | omg0: The bootlog? |
| 04:54.47 | omg0 | I know that's a basic Admin stuf I should know but I don't. |
| 04:55.03 | itchi | omg0: No worry, we all need to learn ;-) |
| 04:55.05 | omg0 | itch: yah. to see where the errors are |
| 04:55.07 | kds | omg0: logon times of users with the last command |
| 04:55.17 | kds | omg0: last -n 10 |
| 04:55.18 | itchi | omg0: What mean you with the logon log? |
| 04:55.34 | itchi | hhmm, login logs :-p |
| 04:55.46 | kds | itchi: I was just guessing |
| 04:55.48 | omg0 | no the log when the computer booted up |
| 04:55.56 | itchi | ahah |
| 04:55.59 | kds | omg0: /var/log/messages ?? |
| 04:56.01 | itchi | ok, that's not enabled default |
| 04:56.03 | itchi | !bootlog |
| 04:56.04 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 04:56.21 | liable | check /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 04:56.36 | itchi | omg0: But better to avoid the bootlog |
| 04:56.51 | liable | you can stop the boot as its happening too |
| 04:57.29 | kds | itchi: how about checking /var/log/syslog after booting |
| 04:57.56 | itchi | kds: dmesg?? |
| 04:57.58 | liable | it wont have all the things you see on the screen as the thing boots |
| 04:58.13 | itchi | kds: and the /var/log/messages |
| 04:58.22 | itchi | liable: dunno, i not make use of bootlog :-s |
| 04:58.29 | dbw | kds: the #apache guys knew what to do :) |
| 04:58.40 | kds | I check /var/log/messages |
| 04:58.43 | kds | dbw: cool |
| 04:58.57 | dbw | turned out i needed to install libapache2-mod-php5 or something like that.... and then fix a couple configs and presto :) |
| 04:59.02 | dbw | thanks again mate |
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| 04:59.23 | hark | wtf.. |
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| 05:01.01 | omg0 | to check those stuff I use cat right? |
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| 05:01.36 | itchi | omg0: whatever you want, cat and pipe it to less then |
| 05:01.47 | hark | less, more, grep, vi, most... |
| 05:01.50 | kds | omg0: even tail |
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| 05:02.36 | itchi | s/cat/cat and grep on date and pipe/ |
| 05:03.00 | itchi | but that's a cat abuse :-p |
| 05:03.11 | itchi | gggrrr, i need food :-p |
| 05:03.21 | hark | !feed itchi |
| 05:03.30 | kds | itchi: ssshhh we don't want animal rights people here :p |
| 05:03.31 | itchi | hehe |
| 05:03.32 | omg0 | lol: One long time ago. Before my daughter was born I installed Linux on my computer so I could have a c copiler. After the class was done I never touched it again because the next year we got them gui compilers |
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| 05:04.03 | omg0 | so all those stuff that you all talked about i know not except a little vi |
| 05:04.17 | omg0 | which I forgot back then |
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| 05:04.35 | kfir | sup? |
| 05:04.50 | itchi | omg0: The thing is, 'just use it' and you will not forget it :-p |
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| 05:05.58 | kds | here is a problem I'm having...on one of my machines when I try to use scp it takes about 10secs to get the pass prompt |
| 05:06.19 | itchi | kfir: What mean you? |
| 05:06.29 | Guerin | kds: that's not a problem. |
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| 05:06.42 | kfir | i've just installed etch and was wondering about what i should do about my ati radeon 9800pro as with drivers and such, and wasn't able to find the information in googling debian.org. help? |
| 05:06.53 | kds | but it is much faster form this machine...Macbook Pro using wireless....the other one is on LAN |
| 05:07.05 | Guerin | kds: run ssh -vvv to see where it pauses |
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| 05:07.16 | hark | kfir: you shouldn't have to do anything |
| 05:07.21 | dondelelcaro | kds: most likely it's the reverse lookup which takes forever to timeout |
| 05:07.22 | kds | Guerin: trying |
| 05:07.49 | manu_hack | hi all, what kind of package could open a cif file, aka easy CD image |
| 05:07.51 | kds | dondelelcaro: why on only one machine behind my gateway? that is what was confusing me |
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| 05:08.09 | kfir | thanks hark! |
| 05:08.30 | DanC | I have been googling for an hour or so, looking for a motherboard with SATA II supported by linux. One of the best sources is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html but it just says "Note that newer SIS chipsets have switched to the AHCI open standard." |
| 05:08.42 | DanC | any recommendations on a motherboard? |
| 05:08.49 | dondelelcaro | kds: from that machine or to that machine? |
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| 05:09.23 | kds | from the machine on LAN to someserver hosting a site in the US |
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| 05:09.49 | dondelelcaro | kds: and only from that machine on the lan it's slow? |
| 05:10.05 | kds | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 05:10.51 | kds | dondelelcaro: connection is OK, its the password prompt which takes time. |
| 05:10.57 | itchi | kds: computer is sleeping? |
| 05:10.57 | itchi | kfir: Try module-assistant as root user, select there the fglrx stuff and done |
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| 05:11.41 | kds | itchi: no, its the web server of my webhostingprovider |
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| 05:12.12 | netman2 | Azar you here tonight? I'm still messing with my sources.list and am wondering why I get messages saying "W: Couln't stat source package list ftp:..." when I do aptitude update. |
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| 05:12.47 | itchi | netman2: Cause it not find the url, is a bad one or so?? |
| 05:14.14 | netman2 | itchi : I keep trying different url's, trying to find one that doesn't give me this "error?" messages. I don't want to go ahead untill this sources.list thing goes right. |
| 05:14.25 | \amethyst | kds: so other machines with the same external IP address don't have the problem? |
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| 05:14.49 | dondelelcaro | kds: then use ssh -vvv to see exactly where it's having issues |
| 05:14.52 | itchi | netman2: Goes it right with ftp://ftp.skynet.be/debian/ ? |
| 05:14.55 | kds | \amethyst no |
| 05:14.56 | hark | itchi: he has a 9800, the radeon drivers should provide good enough 3d performance as well |
| 05:15.13 | itchi | hark: hhm, i dunno about that card, to be honnest |
| 05:15.29 | netman2 | itchi I'll try and see. |
| 05:15.41 | kds | checking with -vvv |
| 05:16.04 | kfir | is there a configuration tool kit for my card? |
| 05:16.12 | \amethyst | kds: diff that against the result from another machine |
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| 05:16.30 | kds | ok, will do |
| 05:16.41 | hark | kfir: configuration for what? |
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| 05:17.54 | itchi | hark: From where do you got that info? |
| 05:18.04 | kfir | like setting up two monitors, like the ati's control center for windows, hark |
| 05:19.13 | hark | from man radeon |
| 05:19.15 | netman2 | itchi, still get a bunch of those errors at the end. though I'm wondering if its anything to wori about. i don't know how to copy and past this, but that would proabaly help. I'll type in one of the messages. |
| 05:19.48 | hark | netman2: pastebin the errors and your sources.list |
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| 05:20.45 | netman2 | hark, I'm in plain text environment. is there a way to do that from there? |
| 05:20.59 | itchi | !pastebin |
| 05:21.00 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 05:21.12 | itchi | netman2: Look the last stuff on the end ^ |
| 05:21.43 | itchi | netman2: Have you 'gpm'installed? |
| 05:22.06 | netman2 | no gdm or is it gpm. no anyhow. |
| 05:22.37 | itchi | netman2: no 'gpm' the 'mouse' tool for without x |
| 05:22.57 | netman2 | no |
| 05:22.58 | itchi | !gpm |
| 05:22.58 | dpkg | hmm... gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 05:23.19 | itchi | bah, not so clear this factoid :-s |
| 05:23.37 | hark | or join #flood if ircing from the same computer |
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| 05:24.58 | netman2 | I have no irc on my debian machiene. I'm a Debian newb, trying to figure this out. thats why I wanted my sources.list to update properly before taking any further steps to mess things up. |
| 05:25.33 | itchi | netman2: Running Sarge? |
| 05:25.43 | netman2 | itchi yes sarge |
| 05:26.01 | itchi | netman2: Move that file to _old or whatever and run apt-setup |
| 05:26.33 | kds | only one major difference in the diffs of ssh -vvv ....pasted in #flood |
| 05:26.35 | netman2 | hark, is there doc somewhere that explains how I can copy and past whats on my screen in this "run level 3" |
| 05:26.42 | itchi | netman2: And follow the instructions on screen, choice http instead of ftp |
| 05:26.51 | Guerin | kds: i don't see why you're caring so much about this |
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| 05:27.08 | itchi | netman2: If you not have gpm installed, that will be hard |
| 05:27.18 | Guerin | you've wasted several thousand scps worth of waiting already |
| 05:27.39 | kds | Guerin: because when on that machine the wait for password is like 10s than 1s on other machines |
| 05:27.47 | Guerin | kds: so? |
| 05:27.52 | netman2 | itchi ok. so I best get that installed. |
| 05:27.53 | Guerin | it works |
| 05:27.57 | Guerin | don't fuck with it |
| 05:28.04 | itchi | netman2: nah, you have sarge. So just run apt-setup |
| 05:28.16 | kds | Guerin: but the fun is to solve the quirk, to know why it is there |
| 05:28.21 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 05:28.41 | itchi | netman2: ... but like your on the way, yeah, install gpm too, is a nice tool |
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| 05:31.06 | netman2 | itchi this apt-setup looks like a much easier procedure than what I was doing. though I think I went threw this exact setup when I installed Debian "sarge". This time instead of selecting CDROM, i chose FTP. |
| 05:31.30 | itchi | netman2: bah, sad choice, better http :-p |
| 05:31.37 | kds | !apt-setup |
| 05:31.38 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 05:31.42 | itchi | netman2: btw, apt-setup is no more available in Etch |
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| 05:32.11 | netman2 | itchi is there something wrong with it? |
| 05:32.23 | kds | !apt-spy |
| 05:32.23 | itchi | netman2: See what dpkg just told about it |
| 05:32.24 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 05:32.38 | netman2 | itchi is there something wrong with apt-setup i mean? |
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| 05:32.57 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.13 | cas3 | is it possible to use apt-get to change distrobutions? |
| 05:33.30 | itchi | cas3: What mean you? |
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| 05:34.21 | cas3 | itchi: like use a debian repository or ubuntu's repository and issuing an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 05:34.22 | netman2 | itchi & kds sorry didn't notice that right off. |
| 05:34.45 | netman2 | is apt-spy the replacement for apt-setup? |
| 05:35.19 | itchi | netman2: It's spy the networks and produce a source list bassed on the stats, so that you use the fastest mirror |
| 05:35.20 | kds | cas3: only upwards, downgrade is definitely going to be a pain |
| 05:35.47 | itchi | cas3: I still not get it :-s |
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| 05:35.55 | netman2 | itchi sort of like netselect-apt |
| 05:36.10 | itchi | netman2: Yeah, there's several tools |
| 05:36.30 | kds | cas3: apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade should be able to change version from sarge to etch with many problems. |
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| 05:36.36 | kds | cas3: but not the other way |
| 05:37.03 | cas3 | what about phlak to debian ? |
| 05:37.11 | kds | netman2: apt-cache search apt mirror |
| 05:37.24 | kds | !phlak |
| 05:37.26 | dpkg | methinks phlak is a modular live security Linux distribution (a.k.a LiveCD). PHLAK comes with two light gui's (fluxbox and XFCE4), many security tools, and a spiral notebook full of security documentation. PHLAK is a derivative of Morphix, created by Alex de Landgraaf. At http://www.phlak.org/ |
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| 05:37.52 | netman2 | well looks like it updated without errors this time. would the same repositories be good for etch aswell? For future reference "I still have tones to learn" |
| 05:37.59 | cas3 | I've got all that info thanks |
| 05:38.01 | kds | cas3: I was talking about different Debian versions only |
| 05:38.37 | itchi | netman2: sure, just replace the words stable to testing or Sarge to Etch |
| 05:38.37 | cas3 | my question was could I use apt to change distrobutions using someone else's repository? |
| 05:38.49 | itchi | netman2: Probably you made a typo error |
| 05:39.00 | kds | cas3: even a change from a Debian version to a Ubuntu version is bound to give you serious problems. |
| 05:39.21 | hark | you could.. but there's no guarantee it would work at all.. |
| 05:39.25 | cas3 | like what kind of problems? |
| 05:39.29 | itchi | cas3: Why want you to do that? |
| 05:39.38 | itchi | cas3: Debian is not Ubuntu |
| 05:40.15 | itchi | cas3: Nor is Ubuntu like Debian. Some ubuntu debs are especially modified to match some specific Ubuntu troubles |
| 05:40.40 | itchi | cas3: Sure, Ubuntu is bassed on Debian |
| 05:40.40 | kds | itchi: hehe.....see "I do consider Debian to be Ubuntu" thread on debian-user |
| 05:40.43 | sep | cas3, unless your a apg genius and can wiggle your way thru a maze of dependency issues you might have a easier time reinstalling the distro you want to run. |
| 05:40.49 | Guerin | hah |
| 05:40.54 | liable | ohnos, not the comment from Ian himself |
| 05:41.08 | sep | kds, that's in the comunity aspect not the technical aspect. dont take things out of context |
| 05:41.08 | cas3 | I've got an old version of phlak(and i'm not liking it). Yeah but they are both linux, I mean maybe a little different paths right? |
| 05:41.08 | liable | i knew that would haunt us |
| 05:41.08 | kds | itchi: sorry turn it around to "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" thread |
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| 05:42.01 | kds | cas3: it would be a dream come true to different "flavours" were inter-upgradable :) |
| 05:42.11 | netman2 | itchi that or just the mirrors I was selecting. |
| 05:42.42 | itchi | netman2: look again to your /etc/apt/sources.list and look how it is now?? |
| 05:42.45 | dirkson | Hey all. Are there any .deb packages for glibc 2.4 that I can download somewhere? For some reason, this year-and-a-half old library isn't included in etch. |
| 05:42.47 | sep | kds, it would be a maintainance nightmare, and they would be not flavours any longer now would they :) |
| 05:43.15 | hark | should ubuntusmite Ian |
| 05:43.15 | kds | sep: right, no flavours....all will be Coke :p |
| 05:43.19 | cas3 | I dunno, I'm going to do it anyways |
| 05:43.24 | \amethyst | dirkson: you need it for a binary? |
| 05:43.29 | itchi | "I consider my neighbor to be a fool. Does that mean he is? I don't; believe his family and friends would agree." muahahahaha |
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| 05:43.47 | kds | itchi: its along thread |
| 05:44.03 | itchi | yeah, i see :-p |
| 05:44.03 | dirkson | \amethyst, Aye. |
| 05:44.14 | \amethyst | dirkson: what software, and what other library dependencies does it have? |
| 05:44.39 | \amethyst | dirkson: because chances are you'll need glibc2.4-linked versions of many if not most of those |
| 05:45.10 | dirkson | \amethyst, Technically, I could compile from source... But if I were to do so, I'd have to compile 10-15 other things from source. It's Worldforge, I'm trying to use the autopackage tool. (Can give url, if you need it) |
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| 05:46.20 | \amethyst | dirkson: do the debian packages not work for you? |
| 05:46.27 | hark | !autopackage |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | [autopackage] http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/autopackage_designed_by_monkeys-2005-03-28-14-20.html or http://autopackage.org, or http://www.netsplit.com/blog/tech/autopackage.html |
| 05:46.35 | netman2 | itchi looks about the same as before, just different mirrors. oh and I commented out the mirrors that I added before I did "aptitude update" |
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| 05:46.48 | dirkson | \amethyst, We have an older package for worldforge. It does not appear to work with current worldforge clients. |
| 05:46.55 | \amethyst | dirkson: aha |
| 05:47.22 | dirkson | \amethyst, So you see my dilemma. I'm lazy, and don't want to compile the whole thing by hand :D |
| 05:47.29 | hark | dirkson: there was 2.4 in experimental |
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| 05:47.58 | dirkson | hark, Hey, that'd work |
| 05:48.15 | hark | maybe sdn might have it |
| 05:48.40 | hark | if it tracks experimental as well, that is |
| 05:49.05 | kupesoft | dirkson: Compiling madwifi is surprisingly easy. I just did it today on etch and edgy! |
| 05:49.13 | \amethyst | dirkson: do you want to use ember or sear? |
| 05:49.24 | \amethyst | dirkson: ah, you're building a server not a client |
| 05:49.32 | kupesoft | dirkson: If you've never compiled a kernel module before, madwifi is really a great one to start out with |
| 05:49.37 | piper69 | am back |
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| 05:50.09 | dirkson | kupesoft, Compiling software is /easy/. But if I compiled worldforge, I'd have to compile its libraries. It has many libraries. I'm lazy : ) |
| 05:50.33 | \amethyst | dirkson: install the build-depends for the debian version of the program |
| 05:50.33 | dirkson | \amethyst, Ember seems like the more mature client. I am trying to make a server, yes. Treat for the girlfriend, she wants to make a world : ) |
| 05:50.46 | itchi | dirkson: apt-get --purge lazy ;-) |
| 05:51.06 | netman2 | itchi to install gpm, would I just type "aptitude install gpm" I didn't install that last time when I installed x and gnome. |
| 05:51.16 | \amethyst | dirkson: then you'll just have to figure out whether new dependencies have been added |
| 05:51.22 | kupesoft | dirkson: You didn't say a single word about madwifi, did you? What's wrong with me. |
| 05:51.40 | kupesoft | dirkson: Seriously, I'm delusional. |
| 05:51.43 | itchi | netman2: That's the right command. Just look good to the output, i guess he told you that it was already installed |
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| 05:51.59 | dirkson | kupesoft, Yeah ^.^; |
| 05:52.14 | dirkson | kupesoft, I think I've used madwifi, though. Cool beans |
| 05:53.14 | netman2 | itchi I follow this online tutorial last time "http://www.free-bees.co.uk/articles/installingsarge/4/" |
| 05:53.23 | netman2 | followed |
| 05:53.31 | whaleofconfusion | heywhat do you mean compiling is easy/hard |
| 05:53.44 | whaleofconfusion | how does it require any effort |
| 05:53.54 | whaleofconfusion | don't you just do the same 3 things for anything |
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| 05:54.05 | whaleofconfusion | where does the skill come in so that it could be called easy or hard |
| 05:54.11 | dirkson | whaleofconfusion, Dependency resolution. (AKA dependency HELL) |
| 05:54.15 | itchi | netman2: What's wrong with the Debian's install manual? |
| 05:54.23 | dirkson | \amethyst, It looks like all the dependencies have been updated since Debian's version. |
| 05:54.28 | whaleofconfusion | but that's done for you on debian isn't it |
| 05:54.37 | whaleofconfusion | packaging system |
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| 05:55.00 | dirkson | whaleofconfusion, The packaging system distributes binaries. If you want to compile from source, you've got to do the dependencies yourself |
| 05:55.10 | netman2 | itchi, it seemed confusing. but maybe I was reading the wrong DOC. |
| 05:55.11 | whaleofconfusion | oic |
| 05:55.20 | \amethyst | dirkson: For example? |
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| 05:55.44 | whaleofconfusion | but you could use the packaging system to install the prereqs for the binary |
| 05:55.49 | whaleofconfusion | but not install the binary itself |
| 05:56.01 | whaleofconfusion | and compile the source, and then you would have the dependencies |
| 05:56.10 | Aaron_Mason | has anybody here been able to debootstrap using a CD as the mirror? |
| 05:56.11 | John8520 | Could someone give me a quick hand with iptables? |
| 05:56.17 | dirkson | \amethyst, Eris, libwfut, varconf, wfut. |
| 05:56.31 | whaleofconfusion | couldn't you |
| 05:56.31 | John8520 | I just apt-got it, but for some reason it has decided not to plant itself in /etc/init.d |
| 05:56.44 | dirkson | whaleofconfusion, In this case, both the main file and its dependencies are out of date |
| 05:57.09 | niru | what is the difference between enterprise,workstation and advanced server vesrions |
| 05:57.33 | \amethyst | dirkson: ah, they've split off some of the source into new libraries |
| 05:57.51 | dirkson | \amethyst, Looks like it. |
| 05:57.57 | \amethyst | dirkson: debian has varconf |
| 05:58.19 | dirkson | \amethyst, The version compiled this year? |
| 05:58.33 | itchi | netman2: Bah, i sugest that you go back to the debian manual, and read there, if there's some parts not clear to you, just ask here for some light |
| 05:58.38 | niru | what is the difference between enterprise,workstation and advanced server vesrions |
| 05:58.40 | John8520 | I have a feeling that maybe the iptables dameon is hiding somewhere else |
| 05:58.50 | \amethyst | dirkson: ah, it's one version old |
| 05:59.09 | \amethyst | dirkson: if you have access to a machine that can run the binary |
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| 05:59.19 | itchi | niru: About what talk you? |
| 05:59.22 | dirkson | \amethyst, Aye? |
| 05:59.28 | \amethyst | dirkson: you can ldd the program there, find all the libraries there, and copy them into a single directory |
| 05:59.35 | netman2 | itchi is this the manual your talking about "http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual" |
| 05:59.47 | niru | itchi:In general what is the difference between them |
| 05:59.48 | itchi | netman2: yup |
| 05:59.52 | \amethyst | dirkson: bring that over to the debian machine and try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=thatdir theprogram |
| 05:59.53 | niru | all are servers |
| 05:59.58 | itchi | netman2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 06:00.13 | dirkson | \amethyst, Ah! I get you now. I'd have to install a distro to do that. |
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| 06:00.34 | itchi | niru: Us not have that difference here with Debian |
| 06:00.36 | inazad | Can I talk to someone who's from Germany? It's very very important! PM me please, I need your help! |
| 06:00.57 | niru | itchi:debian has enterprise server right? |
| 06:00.59 | itchi | inazad: Ask here |
| 06:01.08 | itchi | !tell inazad about ask |
| 06:01.16 | itchi | niru: Where read you that? |
| 06:01.23 | \amethyst | dirkson: you can probably install a debian-derived distribution in a chroot fairly simply |
| 06:01.33 | niru | itchi:http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEnterpriseServer |
| 06:01.55 | netman2 | itchi that manual gets into installing X and gnome or kde and everything? I have to addmit I didn't read much of it. The index didn't seem to be going where I wanted to. I guess I better give it another chance. |
| 06:01.56 | dirkson | \amethyst, Likely. However, it'd probably be quicker for me to compile the whole thing from source >.< |
| 06:02.15 | itchi | wtf is that |
| 06:03.04 | kfir | is it possible for one to mount and manipulate ntfs and fat32 partitions that are on the system from debian? thanks |
| 06:03.30 | itchi | netman2: no :-s |
| 06:03.44 | itchi | netman2: But take a look to the other docs to, and the Debian's wiki |
| 06:04.12 | itchi | !ntfs |
| 06:04.13 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
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| 06:04.28 | itchi | !fatrw |
| 06:04.34 | itchi | nah |
| 06:04.41 | John8520 | hrm |
| 06:04.56 | itchi | !rw-vfat |
| 06:04.57 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 06:05.22 | itchi | niru: It's the first time i heard of that |
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| 06:05.56 | niru | itchi:oh very bad :) |
| 06:06.05 | netman2 | itchi, ok I think I'v seen the wiki and a debian forum and have them all bookmarked. Thanks for all the help tonight. I think my systems all set to be messed up again. hehe :D. I'm off to bed. |
| 06:06.21 | dirkson | \amethyst, At this point, I'm /seriously/ thinking of switching to a different distro. Even the /unstable/ debian appears to be a year and a half behind... I find this insane. |
| 06:07.11 | itchi | netman2: Wait, a nice one is: |
| 06:07.13 | itchi | !grounding |
| 06:07.20 | itchi | aloa |
| 06:07.58 | itchi | !test |
| 06:08.00 | netman2 | itchi k, I forgot to try the gpm, so I'm doing that right now. i'll be here for a few more minutes. |
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| 06:08.07 | itchi | kug, he is dead |
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| 06:08.26 | netman2 | !grounding |
| 06:08.31 | itchi | ~grounding |
| 06:08.40 | netman2 | lol I'm copying ya. |
| 06:08.40 | itchi | apt: test |
| 06:08.42 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 06:08.49 | itchi | apt: grounding |
| 06:08.58 | \amethyst | dirkson: glibc2.5 is in experimental :) |
| 06:09.02 | itchi | nah, he not know about it |
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| 06:09.10 | itchi | apt: newbiedoc |
| 06:09.12 | apt | somebody said newbiedoc was http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net, newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 06:09.13 | \amethyst | dirkson: which isn't helpful... |
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| 06:09.37 | dirkson | \amethyst, Where? I cannot find it |
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| 06:10.18 | \amethyst | dirkson: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libs/libc6 |
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| 06:13.58 | kds | wtf was that |
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| 06:14.01 | \amethyst | kds: netsplit |
| 06:14.01 | itchi | kds: bananasplit |
| 06:14.01 | John8520 | huge netsplit |
| 06:14.02 | John8520 | woah, bananasplit? where? |
| 06:14.02 | kds | it was like a stungun from the event sounds :) |
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| 06:14.04 | John8520 | heh |
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| 06:14.05 | itchi | !grounding |
| 06:14.05 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 06:14.05 | itchi | netman2: ^^ |
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| 06:14.06 | netman2 | ok cool, sounds good |
| 06:14.06 | itchi | netman2: Try these all, and print that refcard ;-) |
| 06:14.06 | netman2 | itchi refcard was to big for my printer. ;( |
| 06:14.06 | John8520 | hah |
| 06:14.06 | itchi | netman2: no, only 1 page recto verso |
| 06:14.22 | liable | sounds painfull |
| 06:14.45 | dirkson | \amethyst, THANK YOU! Now, it works : ) |
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| 06:17.08 | netman2 | itchi ok, sounds like everything I need to get on my feet. I'll check them out tomarow. thanks again. have a good one, I'm off to bed. |
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| 06:17.33 | itchi | netman2: Sleep well ;-) Your welcome here ;-) |
| 06:19.01 | kds | adios amigos |
| 06:19.01 | dirkson | \amethyst, ... And now synaptic has borked my installation. |
| 06:19.27 | John8520 | hrm |
| 06:19.37 | dirkson | \amethyst, ... Well, time to back up and switch to gentoo, or something else with a package tree that wasn't created in 1932. |
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| 06:20.08 | itchi | dirkson: You talk about things you not yet know |
| 06:20.19 | dirkson | itchi, How so? |
| 06:20.41 | itchi | At least, before complaining, tell us what trouble you have |
| 06:21.27 | itchi | dirkson: Do you know about the debian rules too? |
| 06:22.09 | dirkson | itchi, Which are? |
| 06:22.10 | itchi | !debian rules |
| 06:22.10 | dpkg | itchi, werd up |
| 06:22.12 | itchi | :-p |
| 06:22.44 | John8520 | Is anyone on/awake that could help me out with iptables? |
| 06:22.44 | dirkson | itchi, I installed recent libc packages from experimental. Apt took exception to this, and refused to allow me to install or remove programs before I dealt with the "problem". I opened synaptic, and it decided to fix things be removing numerous random packages. |
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| 06:23.03 | peusor | hi guys, anybody know of good documentation outlining all parts of recent kernel compilation? |
| 06:23.11 | t64 | john8520: im awake (supposed to be) shoot, will give it a try, if im alert enough :-) |
| 06:23.15 | dirkson | itchi, It all flashed by really quick, but I have a sneaking suspicion that my system isn't going to boot. |
| 06:23.19 | itchi | no wonder why there are some troubles |
| 06:23.28 | John8520 | t64: great! |
| 06:23.51 | dirkson | itchi, Yes, my fault. I attempted to install packages that were newer than two years old. Totally an outrageous thing to ask for. |
| 06:24.00 | John8520 | Basically, I have an old IBM box that I'd like to have share its internets |
| 06:24.17 | itchi | dirkson: no, your wrong, look to your experimental code |
| 06:24.20 | t64 | john8520: ok do u have any iptables running ? |
| 06:24.28 | John8520 | thats the problem |
| 06:24.35 | dirkson | itchi, ... What? |
| 06:25.01 | t64 | john8520: meaning? iptables was and now it has stopped? |
| 06:25.01 | John8520 | when I apt-get iptables/dpkg-reconfigure iptables, iptables doesn't get put in /etc/init.d |
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| 06:25.10 | John8520 | no, it never was |
| 06:25.14 | t64 | john8520: hmm ok |
| 06:25.17 | itchi | dirkson: Just shut up, you wanted to mess your box; so be happy that it is now. Just not complain or tell Debian is crap or whatever stupid things a guy could tell because he not look further as his big ass |
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| 06:25.33 | John8520 | the S40iptables script is in /etc/rcS.d like it should be, so I dunno what the deal is |
| 06:25.59 | dirkson | itchi, I wanted recent code. There's nothing wrong with the /code/. The trouble came from the package manager. |
| 06:26.11 | t64 | john8520: a grep in my (testing: ~etch) says no iptables too. but..... |
| 06:26.39 | itchi | dirkson: One of the first point of Debian is to be have stable software at all |
| 06:26.57 | itchi | dirkson: Stable, bug free |
| 06:26.59 | John8520 | to do internet sharing I have to have iptables running, and for some reason it just isnt |
| 06:27.07 | t64 | john8520: why not write a script for you iptables and link in up |
| 06:27.08 | John8520 | I'm running sarge if that helps |
| 06:27.20 | John8520 | t64: well, I haven't gotten that far |
| 06:27.37 | t64 | john8520: hang on let me check my docs i have a script that runs on sarge for 4 of my servers |
| 06:27.43 | John8520 | ok |
| 06:27.46 | piper69 | can someone please explain to me what does this command do, i am a little confused here "debootstrap --arch i386 sid /mnt/buildroot/" |
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| 06:28.52 | itchi | piper69: install a i386 branch on /mnt/buildroot/ |
| 06:29.14 | piper69 | itchi: can i change it to 686 |
| 06:29.27 | t64 | john8520: ok i found it i have a scirpt thats runs on a box with eth1,eth0 one internal and one external, -- an IPTABLES transparent proxy |
| 06:29.30 | itchi | piper69: Why do you test this? |
| 06:29.36 | itchi | piper69: I mean the debootstrap |
| 06:29.40 | John8520 | hmm, I see |
| 06:29.54 | t64 | john8520:i think that might do the trick for you |
| 06:29.56 | piper69 | itchi: am installing it on a USB thumb drive |
| 06:30.05 | John8520 | what does the script do? |
| 06:30.11 | itchi | piper69: oh yeah; i remember |
| 06:30.24 | piper69 | itchi: ;) |
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| 06:30.36 | t64 | john8520: sets up fowarding b/w external IP and internal lan |
| 06:30.44 | John8520 | what I'll be doing is sharing eth2 to eth1 and eth0 |
| 06:30.49 | John8520 | ok |
| 06:31.14 | wolferine | having an issue with synaptic: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 21566 package `initscripts': |
| 06:31.21 | t64 | john8520: basically a quick 'n cheap transparent proxy, currently being used,,, this can be modified for that |
| 06:31.23 | wolferine | anything I can do to repair/resolve? |
| 06:31.33 | John8520 | t64: great |
| 06:31.50 | John8520 | I hope I can get it; I'm kinda new at this part of linuxing |
| 06:31.58 | t64 | john8520: simply add the lines for the other interfaces |
| 06:31.59 | itchi | wolferine: clean the cache; to see |
| 06:31.59 | hark | !available |
| 06:32.00 | dpkg | [available] run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 06:32.04 | John8520 | alrighty |
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| 06:32.15 | wolferine | itchi, which means what exactly? |
| 06:32.16 | t64 | john8520: its small, how can i get it across to you |
| 06:32.27 | hark | dirkson: i said experimental HAD 2.4.. it's 2.5 now.. you should have looked at sdn instead |
| 06:32.30 | itchi | wolferine: apt-get clean |
| 06:32.34 | t64 | john8520: 23 lines to be precise :) |
| 06:32.41 | John8520 | uhm, lets see |
| 06:32.46 | John8520 | you can email it to me I suppose |
| 06:32.52 | John8520 | I can PM you my email |
| 06:33.02 | Rohinton | or put it ina paste-bin :-) |
| 06:33.02 | t64 | ok will do, |
| 06:33.18 | John8520 | PM'd |
| 06:33.21 | t64 | john8520: ah forgot that, |
| 06:33.24 | t64 | got |
| 06:33.36 | John8520 | I have the most imaginative email ever :) |
| 06:33.53 | itchi | piper69: I dunno about the possible archs, i guess it's these available of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 06:33.57 | t64 | john8520: got it, will be mailing it , (bingo, howy'd ya ever come up with that?) |
| 06:34.15 | John8520 | alrighty :) |
| 06:34.28 | dirkson | hark, No, no, no. The 2.5 worked /fine/. It was the package manager that murdered my system |
| 06:34.47 | John8520 | how will I implement the script? I'm ssh'd into the box now, I suppose its just copy/paste? |
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| 06:35.14 | hark | a libc6 update is a major upgrade.. things will break |
| 06:36.09 | hark | dirkson: sarge or etch? |
| 06:36.16 | t64 | john8520: yes, copy it (scp), and start it by linking it in |
| 06:36.31 | John8520 | hrm, ok |
| 06:36.33 | t64 | john8520: ive mailed it to you.. |
| 06:36.36 | dirkson | hark, Etch. Again, libc6 broke nothing. The package manager killed stuff. |
| 06:37.02 | hark | hmm, ok. |
| 06:37.03 | John8520 | t64: yeah I got it |
| 06:37.26 | John8520 | so, where do I add this in? |
| 06:38.08 | t64 | well for a test, you could run the script manually (check for INTIF, EXTIF at the top) |
| 06:38.09 | k-man_ | how do you search for xyz or abc in a regular expression? |
| 06:38.23 | John8520 | hrm, for more than one INTIF="eth1", would i do INTIF="eth1,eth0"? |
| 06:38.52 | dirkson | hark, I think gentoo would probably suit my needs better. Debian's great for machines that don't change things, ever. I tend to install and remove packages for fun. |
| 06:39.11 | t64 | john8520: no, sorrty its not that complex, you will need to add more lines at the end |
| 06:39.26 | John8520 | hrm |
| 06:39.38 | John8520 | I suppose I only want it shared to eth0 atm anyways |
| 06:39.49 | t64 | john8520: define another vat: INTIF2 for e,g |
| 06:40.08 | John8520 | ok, so, where do I put this? |
| 06:40.35 | t64 | john8520: and in the last two lines : iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF2 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
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| 06:40.50 | coz_ | morning |
| 06:41.09 | t64 | john8520: btw: im assuming u have a fair grip on bash scripting |
| 06:41.10 | coz_ | is there a more complete sources list than the one that come default with debian etch install? |
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| 06:41.20 | John8520 | t64: I dont, sorry |
| 06:41.53 | hark | coz_: /msg dpkg mirrors or look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 06:42.07 | coz_ | hark, thanks :) |
| 06:42.24 | t64 | john8520: hmm i could send u a modifed (but untested!!!) for two internal lans |
| 06:42.33 | John8520 | sure :) |
| 06:42.37 | simonrvn | k-man_: [abc] means anything in the brackets |
| 06:42.38 | itchi | coz_: Take a look to apt-spy too |
| 06:42.41 | John8520 | well, wait |
| 06:42.49 | John8520 | I think first I'd like to get it working with just one LAN |
| 06:42.52 | t64 | whats your internal lans ? eth1, eth2? |
| 06:42.52 | simonrvn | k-man_: you'll probably need to quote that |
| 06:43.03 | t64 | john8520: yes do that first |
| 06:43.05 | simonrvn | k-man_: man regex (or regexp) |
| 06:43.10 | hark | coz_: and /msg dpkg etch security and /msg dpkg sources.list (replace sarge with etch here) |
| 06:43.20 | John8520 | t64: ok, now that I've modified it, where do I put it? |
| 06:43.22 | coz_ | itchi, ok i will one thing at a time getting used to debian from ubuntu different but familiar :) |
| 06:43.34 | k-man_ | simonrvn, ok, thanks |
| 06:43.52 | t64 | john8520: for now run the script: "./S80ip_proxy.sh" |
| 06:44.18 | t64 | john8520: and then "iptables -L", "iptables -t nat -L" to check |
| 06:44.20 | simonrvn | k-man_: [[:alpha:]] means any alphabetical non-numeric character |
| 06:44.29 | t64 | john8520: u might want to read on iptables |
| 06:44.34 | simonrvn | though that's perl syntax =) |
| 06:44.36 | John8520 | t64: should it be in my home dir? |
| 06:44.46 | John8520 | I have been, its kinda strange |
| 06:44.51 | k-man_ | simonrvn, abc|xyz is what i was looking for, but thanks |
| 06:44.54 | simonrvn | k-man_: usually it's just 1 set |
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| 06:44.56 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:45.01 | t64 | john8520: doesnt make a diff -> you will probally need root perm |
| 06:45.07 | John8520 | yeah |
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| 06:45.39 | bald3333 | hello |
| 06:45.59 | bald3333 | I have been googling for getting the concept of file descriptor |
| 06:46.09 | bald3333 | I understand it but not at all |
| 06:46.15 | bald3333 | is there any os limit? |
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| 06:46.31 | John8520 | erm... how do I start the script |
| 06:46.47 | t64 | john8520: run it use the file name |
| 06:46.50 | John8520 | (sorry for being so n00bish, I've never dealt with this bit of linux) |
| 06:46.54 | John8520 | oh ok |
| 06:47.04 | t64 | john8520: :) all been there, |
| 06:47.16 | John8520 | hm - sudo: S80ip_proxy.sh: command not found |
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| 06:47.46 | t64 | john8520: use the full path and see (by default will not look in current location) |
| 06:47.52 | John8520 | oh, heh |
| 06:48.14 | nvz | bald3333: I won't speculate as to why, but I know one thing for sure nobody knows what you are talking about. |
| 06:48.15 | k-man_ | simonrvn, any idea how i would match twiki but not otwiki in a regex? |
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| 06:48.31 | John8520 | hmmmm, well, even as root - 'bash: ./S80ip_proxy.sh: Permission denied' |
| 06:48.36 | nvz | bald3333: try rephrasing that to make sense in english or try speaking spanish in #debian-es |
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| 06:48.49 | t64 | john8520: wow! hmm ... |
| 06:49.00 | coz_ | itchi, where do I look for this apt-spy |
| 06:49.13 | t64 | john8520: have u got a 'no exec' on the filesystem ? |
| 06:49.21 | John8520 | not sure... |
| 06:49.24 | itchi | coz_: You first need to install it |
| 06:49.26 | John8520 | how would one go about checking |
| 06:49.32 | coz_ | itchi, ho ok |
| 06:49.34 | coz_ | oh |
| 06:49.59 | bald3333 | well I'm quite newbie and trying to understand what file descriptor does... and more or less have seen this in google.... but know I say if there could be limits and if you can increase those limits if you run out of them... |
| 06:50.03 | t64 | john8520: hmm easiest way would be to see if u can run a script (which u cant)... |
| 06:50.04 | itchi | coz_: Once installed run it, and it will overwrite you own sources.list with mirrors that are the fastest in your country |
| 06:50.16 | John8520 | well, then can I enable it? |
| 06:50.18 | coz_ | itchi, already on it thanks |
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| 06:50.48 | t64 | john8520: well yes and no, depening ->is it your server? or a hosting provider. shared servet |
| 06:51.02 | John8520 | its just a play with debian box |
| 06:51.10 | John8520 | mine |
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| 06:51.23 | John8520 | I can do as I please with it |
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| 06:51.59 | t64 | john8520: then this is unusal... hmmm |
| 06:52.14 | John8520 | it hosts 75.110.59.77:9000 and sits in my room humming along. :) |
| 06:52.21 | coz_ | be back shortly :) |
| 06:52.24 | t64 | john8520: shit! : chmod +x <filenmae> |
| 06:52.53 | John8520 | ok, now it lets me run the script |
| 06:53.00 | t64 | john8520: :) told ya im sleepy (even at ~12.30pm - noon here :) |
| 06:53.10 | John8520 | heh, its 3AM here |
| 06:53.14 | t64 | wow! |
| 06:53.21 | John8520 | you're brittish I presume? |
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| 06:53.27 | t64 | john8520: india |
| 06:53.28 | John8520 | or in that area |
| 06:53.32 | John8520 | ooh, fun! |
| 06:53.52 | t64 | john8520: yeah right, now from sydney back to mumabi -> not fun! :) |
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| 06:54.09 | t64 | john8520: 3am .. us? canada ? |
| 06:54.11 | John8520 | you're an aussie? in india? |
| 06:54.28 | John8520 | eastern US |
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| 06:54.45 | t64 | john8520: indian -> moved to assuie -> back to mumbai -> on my own bussiness |
| 06:54.51 | John8520 | ahhh fun fun |
| 06:55.01 | John8520 | so, what was that thing to test to see if the script worked? |
| 06:55.14 | John8520 | other than hooking up a machine to the other line |
| 06:55.35 | t64 | iptable -L .....and iptable -t nat -L |
| 06:55.50 | John8520 | ok, what should they be telling me? |
| 06:56.02 | t64 | john8520: you should see a listing of fowarder routed |
| 06:56.05 | t64 | ...routes |
| 06:56.17 | John8520 | ok, I think I am... |
| 06:56.30 | t64 | the -t nat option will be more useful |
| 06:56.39 | t64 | good then u should be set |
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| 06:57.18 | t64 | gateway of clients to this IP and DNS depends on your config...and then :) let the beer start flowing! |
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| 06:57.47 | John8520 | t64: this is what I see - http://75.110.59.77:8888/iptables.txt |
| 06:57.59 | John8520 | no idea if thats good or bad or what |
| 06:58.14 | t64 | john8520: not good |
| 06:58.18 | John8520 | hrm |
| 06:58.29 | t64 | john8520: do u have some kind of proxy set up ? besides this? |
| 06:58.37 | John8520 | I dont think so |
| 06:58.44 | t64 | john8520: maybe a client config ? |
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| 06:59.00 | NetGangsta | hi |
| 06:59.07 | t64 | john8520: this script is a "transparent proxy" |
| 06:59.10 | John8520 | maybe it doesnt like how the interfaces are set up? http://75.110.59.77:8888/interfaces.txt |
| 06:59.12 | NetGangsta | I got one problem with my lycos VDS |
| 06:59.14 | NetGangsta | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 06:59.22 | NetGangsta | sound like a GCC issue |
| 06:59.27 | NetGangsta | anyone got any idea? |
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| 06:59.45 | karrotx | is shutdown init 1 on debian? |
| 06:59.51 | t64 | john8520: as long as your interfaces are setup external/internal should not be a prob. |
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| 07:00.04 | Knight_Lord | What's the easiest way to configure alsa? I'm running sid |
| 07:00.15 | John8520 | t64: hmm, well, they should be |
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| 07:00.36 | t64 | john8520: you sure that you do not have any iptables stuff lying around?.. |
| 07:00.44 | John8520 | such as? |
| 07:00.45 | itchi | karrotx: Look in /etc/inittab |
| 07:00.45 | Knight_Lord | Ok dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base was good enouh |
| 07:00.45 | John8520 | I might |
| 07:00.55 | karrotx | itchi: i would, but i dont have access right now |
| 07:00.57 | t64 | john8520: if so.. "iptables -F" .. flush |
| 07:01.03 | karrotx | i think it's init 0, but i was just wondering |
| 07:01.08 | coz_ | ok guys, as i said switching from ubuntu to debian, but I am noticing some things that are ..well .left out of debian that are not left out of ubuntu, sabayon, etc theone thing is repositories for pisly apps like gcurso the otheris amore major concern, the wacom tablet drivers are not in xorg by default did I do someting wrong? |
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| 07:01.16 | itchi | karrotx: Runlevel 0 is halt |
| 07:01.30 | Teltariat | Greets folks, quick question: I deleted a lib in /usr/lib; how can I query dpkg to find out what package that lib belonged to? |
| 07:01.33 | karrotx | itchi: thanks |
| 07:01.37 | t64 | john8520: for e.g while playing with iptables inadventenly setup some fwd...? |
| 07:01.46 | Teltariat | (so that I can reinstall that pkg..) |
| 07:02.00 | John8520 | hmm, I may have |
| 07:02.22 | Teltariat | (anyone?) |
| 07:02.25 | t64 | john8520: flush the tables "iptables -F" and run the script again |
| 07:02.25 | John8520 | should I apt-get remove iptables; apt-get install iptables to be safe? |
| 07:02.27 | John8520 | ok |
| 07:02.28 | itchi | Knight_Lord: Why do you run Sid, permit it me, like you ask about how to config alsa |
| 07:02.41 | t64 | john8520: no no, its all kernel level stuff |
| 07:02.44 | John8520 | k |
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| 07:03.06 | John8520 | iptables -t nat -L outputs the same stuff |
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| 07:03.21 | t64 | john8520: and iptables -L |
| 07:03.48 | John8520 | same |
| 07:04.04 | John8520 | and all I did to edit you script was change 0 to 2, and 1 to 0 |
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| 07:04.42 | itchi | coz_: search for the xorg-wacom stuff |
| 07:04.42 | t64 | john8520: this is coming from somewhere else... port 8888 is amusing |
| 07:04.49 | itchi | coz_: apt-cache search wacom |
| 07:04.53 | coz_ | itchi, ok thanks |
| 07:05.21 | John8520 | t64: aye, port 8888 is this machine, port 9000 is that machine (for apache) |
| 07:05.31 | itchi | coz_: Talk you about sabayon - system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings ? |
| 07:05.41 | itchi | !info sabayon |
| 07:05.50 | dpkg | sabayon: (system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 256 kB, Installed size: 1888 kB |
| 07:05.57 | coz_ | itchi, ?/ |
| 07:06.07 | itchi | !version sabayon |
| 07:06.16 | itchi | used to bad cheat :-s |
| 07:06.22 | coz_ | itchi, ok I found suggesions with that command that the wacom driver is somewhere |
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| 07:06.33 | itchi | coz_: It work here |
| 07:06.46 | t64 | john8520: what happens when u try to hit an external IP? |
| 07:06.46 | coz_ | itchi, but where is it and how to enable it? |
| 07:06.48 | itchi | coz_: But out of the box on my Etch system |
| 07:06.55 | t64 | john8520: does it work basically |
| 07:06.58 | coz_ | itchi, mm |
| 07:07.09 | itchi | coz_: You been use Etch? (like you talk about xorg) |
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| 07:07.25 | John8520 | t64: does what work? |
| 07:07.34 | coz_ | itchi, i am using etch right nmow just installed it but no wacom entries in xorg |
| 07:07.41 | John8520 | oh, I haven't connected another computer to it yet |
| 07:07.52 | t64 | oh ok :) my bad |
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| 07:08.16 | t64 | john8520: in that case all looks well thus far |
| 07:08.20 | itchi | coz_: xserver-xorg-input-wacom is been installed? |
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| 07:08.30 | itchi | coz_: dpkg -l <foo_pkg> |
| 07:08.47 | coz_ | itchi, well it shows up with apt-cache search wacom |
| 07:09.31 | John8520 | t64: ok, I'll go ahead and try connecting something then |
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| 07:10.28 | Teltariat | Nevermind, I found it out myself. For the sake of reference (if anyone has this problem), what I did is here: http://www.pastebin.ca/413223 |
| 07:10.44 | itchi | coz_: Do dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-wacom and you should need to see two ii |
| 07:11.01 | John8520 | the NIC I plugged it into isn't showing the 'link' light :| |
| 07:11.13 | coz_ | itchi, doesnt work |
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| 07:11.37 | Teltariat | http://www.pastebin.ca/413224 rather |
| 07:11.53 | itchi | Teltariat: There's the policy thingy too to see from where it came from |
| 07:11.56 | t64 | john8520: :) thats certainly not a software issue :) |
| 07:12.12 | John8520 | t64: hrm; you sure? |
| 07:12.13 | itchi | coz_: How so? |
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| 07:12.31 | hark | or use dpkg -S |
| 07:12.49 | coz_ | itchi, well i see the ii there for xserver-xorg |
| 07:13.03 | t64 | john8520: :) u kidding? has to be, the lights that light on the nic are active as soon as a connection is made.. unless ive misunderstood |
| 07:13.27 | John8520 | no; this NIC always lights when there is a working connection on it |
| 07:13.39 | robert83a1 | hello, I'm running debian sarge, I'm using bandwidth arbitrator on this and it sometimes goes into a kernel panic 1-2 times a month, something related to bandwidth arbitrator , I've checked the hardware several times. I was wondering if there is a way to configure debian so that in case of kernel panic automaticaly restart ? (kinda like windows) |
| 07:13.39 | itchi | Teltariat: apt-cache policy foo and see hark too ;-) |
| 07:13.40 | John8520 | Its a Ethernet to SCSI box :) |
| 07:13.41 | John8520 | I |
| 07:13.55 | John8520 | I'll wait for the computer to boot before making assumptions though |
| 07:13.55 | coz_ | itchi, will be back going to try something |
| 07:14.21 | John8520 | nope, I have no dchp address |
| 07:14.22 | NetGangsta | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 07:14.23 | NetGangsta | anyone got any idea? |
| 07:14.39 | itchi | NetGangsta: Have you not more output? |
| 07:14.43 | t64 | john8520: hmm |
| 07:14.44 | NetGangsta | only that |
| 07:15.01 | hark | !b-e NetGangsta |
| 07:15.01 | dpkg | NetGangsta: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 07:15.03 | liable | robert83a1: google seems to have plenty of likely looking leads for that problem |
| 07:15.27 | itchi | oh, is build-essential not installed be default? |
| 07:15.31 | tarzeau | itchi: nope |
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| 07:15.34 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:15.34 | NetGangsta | Sorry, build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 07:15.34 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 07:15.49 | itchi | dpkg: no |
| 07:15.49 | robert83a1 | liable : I know I've asked for it, I just hoped that someone might know this answer. |
| 07:15.49 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 07:15.53 | itchi | :-p |
| 07:16.08 | John8520 | I have a feeling that maybe it doesn't like the way I have the interfaces set |
| 07:16.29 | liable | robert83a1: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/autoreboot.htm |
| 07:17.16 | t64 | john8520: hmmm, unless the tables are now somehow bocking dhcp should be still working, |
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| 07:17.45 | robert83a1 | liable : thank you for your kindness ! |
| 07:18.04 | John8520 | t64: they aren't, but they are changing the IPs per network interface |
| 07:18.20 | t64 | john8520: whats 0/2 in your external/internal sure got that right |
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| 07:18.38 | John8520 | 2 is the external, 0 is internal |
| 07:18.49 | piper69 | why apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 Return E: Couldn't find package? |
| 07:18.54 | t64 | so EXTIF=eth2 |
| 07:19.09 | tarzeau | piper69: it's not there anymore? |
| 07:19.10 | John8520 | EXTIF="eth2" |
| 07:19.17 | John8520 | INTIF="eth0" |
| 07:19.18 | tarzeau | piper69: run apt-get update and get a newer one |
| 07:19.23 | itchi | piper69: cause he not find it |
| 07:20.00 | t64 | john8520: its odd, b/.c the script is way too simple to do anything.. beyond fwd. |
| 07:20.11 | piper69 | itchi: what you suggest |
| 07:20.22 | itchi | piper69: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 07:20.35 | John8520 | maybe there is something else I can check? |
| 07:20.38 | itchi | piper69: And choice there the appropriated one |
| 07:21.20 | t64 | john8520: anything in the dhcp logs ? |
| 07:21.29 | John8520 | dunno |
| 07:21.52 | piper69 | itchi: cool i choose linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 07:22.19 | John8520 | well, I'll ttyl t64 |
| 07:22.21 | t64 | john8520: check syslog/ messages for errors (especially related to module loading . the scipt is loading some reqd. modules) |
| 07:22.22 | John8520 | 3.30am here |
| 07:22.26 | t64 | k |
| 07:22.28 | John8520 | bedtime |
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| 07:22.40 | t64 | john8520: gnite' hope it works |
| 07:23.43 | itchi | piper69: In the future, first look to the stuff there is available before installing anything ;-) |
| 07:27.12 | itchi | Heh, the evil guy is gone |
| 07:27.20 | itchi | 665 nicks |
| 07:28.13 | tarzeau | and how many of you run popularity-contest ? |
| 07:28.38 | itchi | tarzeau: not me :-s shame me |
| 07:28.53 | itchi | tarzeau: wait, gona fix it right now |
| 07:29.13 | itchi | !popcon |
| 07:29.14 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:30.17 | itchi | tarzeau: fixed |
| 07:30.25 | itchi | tarzeau: now the main computer :-p |
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| 07:31.02 | PietroGiovanni | hi |
| 07:31.21 | PietroGiovanni | can anybody plz put his sources.list in a pastebin? would be really appreciated |
| 07:31.27 | tarzeau | itchi: great :) |
| 07:31.33 | tarzeau | PietroGiovanni: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 07:31.45 | itchi | PietroGiovanni: Use apt-spy ;-) or apt-setup if you run Sarge |
| 07:31.49 | piper69 | itchi: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 i get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 07:32.02 | itchi | tarzeau: Now the girl friends computer ... |
| 07:32.07 | PietroGiovanni | im on etch but the entries are stable... |
| 07:32.12 | itchi | tarzeau: I have 9 boxes to do :-p |
| 07:32.20 | PietroGiovanni | i copied the entries in debian's site howto |
| 07:32.22 | tarzeau | itchi: great :) that's quite much |
| 07:32.26 | liable | PietroGiovanni: so changle stable to etch |
| 07:32.38 | itchi | tarzeau: Bah, 80% is old stuff :-s |
| 07:33.06 | PietroGiovanni | that would be all? |
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| 07:33.59 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 07:34.34 | h3xis | :) |
| 07:36.03 | piper69 | i get shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/source However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory |
| 07:37.00 | itchi | tarzeau: Voila, is installed on the most important boxes |
| 07:37.22 | itchi | tarzeau: 2 little servers and 4 workstations |
| 07:37.46 | itchi | tarzeau: The other i need to power on, i'm to lazy to move my ass haha |
| 07:37.53 | itchi | nah, gona eat first :-p |
| 07:38.06 | bzed | piper69: you need to install the source :) |
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| 07:39.11 | bzed | piper69: install linux-source-2.6.18 and extract the tar.bz2 it'll lay into /usr/src |
| 07:39.22 | piper69 | bzed: how can i do that please |
| 07:39.51 | bzed | piper69: what's your original problem? |
| 07:39.59 | bzed | piper69: and what do you need the source for? |
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| 07:40.23 | piper69 | bzed: i am installing debian on a usb thumb stick |
| 07:41.06 | bzed | and where's the problem now? |
| 07:41.10 | piper69 | bzed: using http://feraga.com/node/30 |
| 07:42.13 | piper69 | bzed: the tutorial is asking to install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 07:42.48 | bzed | that's outdated |
| 07:42.58 | bzed | use linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 pipeline |
| 07:43.01 | bzed | err piper69 |
| 07:43.37 | bzed | piper69: and I'd also suggest to use the initramfs-tools package instead of yaird |
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| 07:44.32 | bzed | piper69: probably use http://feraga.com/node/94 instead |
| 07:46.00 | rainabba_ | I just completed an install of Etch but the bootloader was installed on the wrong HDD (one that won't be staying in the system) so I need to move it to md0 (RAID1) on sda1. What do I need to know? |
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| 07:46.49 | piper69 | bzed: thank you , i will have to do this tomorrow now i am ready for bed |
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| 07:46.51 | bzed | piper69: the one I've linked you to looks way more uptodate. I think I'll give that a try soon, too |
| 07:47.03 | bzed | piper69: have a good night, I just got up :) |
| 07:47.14 | piper69 | :) |
| 07:47.24 | itchi | rainabba_: There's a know bug about hdd device that may be move after a etch install |
| 07:47.28 | rainabba_ | bzed: Good morning. I've now gone from Debian to CentOS4 to FC6 to VirtualIron3.5 and now I'm back to Debian :) |
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| 07:48.02 | bzed | rainabba_: must have been a hard time :) good morning! |
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| 07:48.49 | krenin | Hi. |
| 07:49.01 | h3xis | hi |
| 07:49.06 | krenin | How's it going? |
| 07:49.11 | h3xis | it's goin. |
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| 07:49.16 | krenin | Same here. |
| 07:49.43 | rainabba_ | bzed: This whole thing has been a nightmare, but I'm just not ready to settle in with VMware until I know it's the best route. Right now I'm going to explore qemu+kvm. Sounds like it's got tons of potential. VirtualIron was a great idea and their FREE support is amazing, but I just couldn't get it up on my hardware. |
| 07:49.50 | krenin | Hey does anyone know what the required CPU speed would be to play a DVD? |
| 07:50.01 | krenin | WIth current Linux kernel and mplayer... |
| 07:50.08 | bzed | rainabba_: kvm works well for me, but it's still missing migration and that stuff |
| 07:50.21 | h3xis | krenin, maybe 150 megahertzish |
| 07:50.23 | krenin | I was trying to get DVDs to play on my K6-2 450 mHz and it can't keep up the framerate. |
| 07:50.51 | h3xis | 450mhz should be fine. i got a p3 450 that plays them flawlessly |
| 07:51.05 | krenin | h3xis: Weird. I couldn't get DVDs to play right on a K6-2 450 mHz machine. Any ideas of what to do to get them to play correctly? |
| 07:51.18 | bzed | krenin: my centrino manages to do it, never tried it on older HW. probably your drive has issues, or you need to enabl;e dma transfer for it |
| 07:51.21 | h3xis | have you tried different players? |
| 07:51.37 | krenin | Yeah I tried a few. They are all too slow. |
| 07:51.38 | h3xis | ive been having issues with dvd playback looking like shit |
| 07:51.48 | krenin | I think DMA is enabled on my HDD and my DVD-ROM drive. |
| 07:52.12 | krenin | I had it working sort of with -framedrop enabled on mplayer, but it still isn't good enough... It looks stuttery. |
| 07:52.36 | bzed | krenin: can you play video files from your ahrddisck without problems? |
| 07:52.41 | krenin | Not sure. |
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| 07:52.51 | itchi | krenin: Look to the video driver they use, probably they want to use opengl stuff or whatever |
| 07:53.11 | krenin | Well I tried several, actually I got the best results (though still not good enough) with SVGA from console. |
| 07:53.17 | krenin | (svgalib) |
| 07:53.38 | krenin | (Faster since it didn't have to go through the X Window System stuff to do it.) |
| 07:53.55 | bzed | krenin: try a file from disk, probably a bit larger one, which does not fit into any caches |
| 07:54.10 | rainabba_ | bzed: According to what I've been reading the last 2 days, KVM does have migration and it appears to be much quicker than kqemu or xen (which is reliant on KVM to do HVM anyhow). Any advice or links to help me resolve this boot loader issues (installer put it on hda and I need it on sda1 (or md0 which sda1 participates in, not sure which). |
| 07:54.15 | krenin | Yeah I may try that later. I will also check my DMA settings on HDD and DVD-ROM. |
| 07:54.46 | bzed | rainabba_: you could just boot from hda |
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| 07:55.19 | bzed | rainabba_: or boot the system and run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 07:55.59 | bzed | rainabba_: the migration stuff of kvm was not ready when etch was frozen, I think it's not included in etch, but I'm not sure |
| 07:56.01 | Noah0504 | Okay, I'm installing Etch from the Net Install CD. It's going to be a console install, but I was wondering what all is included when you select the webserver and fileserver options. |
| 07:56.27 | krenin | One thing about it, libdvdread (?) was having problems and showing error messages. |
| 07:56.45 | krenin | ...But it was displaying, just not fast enough. |
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| 07:59.13 | bzed | Noah0504: i guess webserver will include apache2 and php and stuff you need for that |
| 07:59.27 | bzed | Noah0504: and fileserver things like samba |
| 07:59.51 | rainabba_ | If there isn't an updated package of KVM for etch, I can still compile right? |
| 08:00.07 | liable | sure |
| 08:00.23 | Noah0504 | bzed: Hmm, I'm not so sure about using the computer for a webserver... but I would like to store some files on it for backup... The fileserver may be a good idea. |
| 08:00.25 | bzed | rainabba_: there's kvm version 14 in unstable |
| 08:00.40 | bzed | Noah0504: I usually select nothing there and install what I need later |
| 08:00.58 | bzed | Noah0504: but I know what I'm doing and know what I need ;) |
| 08:01.28 | Noah0504 | bzed: If I just install Samba later, will that pretty much get me hooked up for sharing files with my Windows machines? |
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| 08:02.05 | bzed | Noah0504: yes, samba will allow you to share your files with windows machines |
| 08:02.08 | bzed | !samba |
| 08:02.08 | dpkg | i heard samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 08:02.14 | bzed | :) |
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| 08:02.53 | Noah0504 | bzed: haha, Thank you very much. |
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| 08:03.58 | bzed | Noah0504: :P |
| 08:04.17 | rainabba_ | bzed: I tried grub-install /dev/sda1 and it looked fine, rebooted and got the menu just fine, but when I tried to boot a kernel I got "1 |
| 08:04.28 | bzed | rainabba_: why sda1? |
| 08:04.43 | bzed | rainabba_: use sda only and isntall it into the master boot record/. makes live much more easy |
| 08:05.02 | bzed | rainabba_: or just boot from hda if you ahve it in hda's master boot record |
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| 08:05.16 | rainabba_ | I didn't see any switches to specify MBR, how do I ensure it goes there? |
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| 08:06.59 | rainabba_ | hda won't be staying in the system so I have to get it moved. The error I'm getting says "cannot mount selected partition". That would make me think it's a driver issue, not config. Your thoughts? |
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| 08:07.07 | krenin | See ya. |
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| 08:08.28 | rainabba_ | bzed: Hmm, just edited the first line to refer to hd(0,0) and it booted. Lucky guess :) |
| 08:08.37 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone use the check_ldap of nagios? I'm constantly getting, could not bind to server problem |
| 08:09.02 | bzed | rainabba_: /dev/somedevice without any partition number will always be the master boot record |
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| 08:09.35 | bzed | Knight_Lord: no, but you want to check your config, make sure check_ldap is using a username/password which is allowed to bind |
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| 08:10.15 | markybob | 867-5309 |
| 08:10.16 | Knight_Lord | bzed I even allow anonymous bind |
| 08:10.22 | rainabba_ | bzed: Makes sense. hd(0,0) would be the same reference then right? Or is that the 1st partition on the 1st HD? |
| 08:10.25 | Knight_Lord | bzed and i even tried using admin bind |
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| 08:11.12 | bzed | rainabba_: hd(0,0) is the first partition of the first hd |
| 08:11.50 | bzed | Knight_Lord: wireshark helped me often in such situations, except you're using ssl /tls |
| 08:12.09 | itchi | markybob: Nice passwd :-p |
| 08:12.13 | bzed | Knight_Lord: or putting the ldap servre into debug mode, although debugging openldap just SUCKS |
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| 08:12.25 | markybob | itchi, it's not. i just cant get that song out of my head :) |
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| 08:12.58 | Knight_Lord | bzed I think I found out my problem. It seems check_ldap depends on the perl module Net::LDAP and that's not installed by apt when i isntall nagios-plugins |
| 08:13.13 | cydork | cd /tmp/tmp/ |
| 08:13.13 | cydork | ls |
| 08:13.14 | rainabba_ | bzed: So that worked because hd(0,0) is the partition I mount as /boot ? (After I installed grub to sda, I changed the boot order in the BIOS so that sda was now hd(0) where before it would have been hd(1)) |
| 08:13.14 | markybob | itchi, familiar with it? early 80's |
| 08:13.17 | cydork | bahh |
| 08:13.30 | bzed | Knight_Lord: you want to report that as bug |
| 08:13.35 | itchi | markybob: It not say me somethings, i'm born in 1981 |
| 08:13.48 | bzed | rainabba_: yes |
| 08:13.53 | markybob | itchi, ah. it was released in 82 :) great stuff |
| 08:14.17 | Knight_Lord | bzed i thought it was that, but it didn't quite fix it |
| 08:14.29 | markybob | anyone had problems with etch's installer assigning wrong fs type in fstab for encrypted /tmp, or am i the only one with bug #414638 ? just trying to verify if i'm alone in this or not. |
| 08:14.40 | bzed | markybob: jenny? |
| 08:14.44 | markybob | bzed, yep :) |
| 08:14.54 | rainabba_ | My God I'm learning! |
| 08:15.02 | rainabba_ | My wonders never cease |
| 08:15.04 | rainabba_ | May |
| 08:15.27 | bzed | Knight_Lord: does that ldap check thing have some verbose/debugging mode? |
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| 08:15.42 | Knight_Lord | bzed not that I can find |
| 08:15.59 | Knight_Lord | oh wait it does |
| 08:16.01 | Knight_Lord | :-) |
| 08:16.09 | bzed | Knight_Lord: it's usualyl just a dumb script, perl as it seems. should be easy to add some lines to debug it. but as I said before - using wireshard to check what's realyl going on mya help very much |
| 08:16.22 | bzed | s/d/k/ |
| 08:16.44 | Knight_Lord | it's compiled |
| 08:16.45 | itchi | markybob: Is that of Tommy? |
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| 08:17.11 | Knight_Lord | But I found out the problem, it was using LDAP version 2 by default and it doesn't even try to use version 3 if version 2 faisl |
| 08:17.14 | markybob | itchi, yep |
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| 08:17.32 | Knight_Lord | bzed and the error message isn't all that helpful |
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| 08:18.37 | rainabba_ | There any benefit/drawback to running EM64T vs AMD64 kernel? |
| 08:19.24 | markybob | uh...you use the one for the kernel you have. what's confusing about that? |
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| 08:19.46 | itchi | rainabba_: EM64 is intel stuff |
| 08:19.59 | markybob | s/kernel/processor |
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| 08:20.07 | markybob | i shouldnt have taken that sleep aid so early ;) |
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| 08:20.20 | paul___ | mornin guys |
| 08:20.36 | itchi | bashmoney: hello |
| 08:20.38 | itchi | :-p |
| 08:20.40 | perlmonkey | does anyone know of any data recovery apps in debian? |
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| 08:20.48 | rainabba_ | itchi: I know, but I've got a Core2Duo running an AMD64 kernel, but it's an EM64T capable CPU and I'm just curious if there's any benefit to running that kernel. |
| 08:20.48 | itchi | perlmonkey: testdisk |
| 08:20.54 | perlmonkey | itchi: thanks |
| 08:21.03 | itchi | perlmonkey: look on debian-administration, there's a nice article about it |
| 08:21.30 | itchi | rainabba_: hhmm, that runs? |
| 08:21.59 | perlmonkey | itchi: cool |
| 08:22.17 | rainabba_ | itchi: As I understand it, Intel follows what AMD created so AMD64 runs fine on Intel 64bit CPUs |
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| 08:22.54 | itchi | perlmonkey: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/420 |
| 08:22.54 | rainabba_ | I'd expect there to be some advantage to using EM64T, but I've heard nothing |
| 08:23.28 | perlmonkey | itchi: thanks :) |
| 08:23.38 | itchi | perlmonkey: no prob ;-) |
| 08:23.58 | itchi | rainabba_: I dunno about these 64bit stuff :-s |
| 08:24.11 | itchi | Have a duo core here, but 32bits |
| 08:24.13 | rainabba_ | itchi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 if you're curious |
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| 08:24.28 | rainabba_ | itchi: Dual Core or Core Duo? |
| 08:24.51 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.54 | rainabba_ | Core 2 Duo e series is all 64bit AFAIK |
| 08:25.27 | rainabba_ | I bought it primarily because of the VT extensions for HVM ability |
| 08:25.46 | karsten | What's the KDE control panel configuration thing called? |
| 08:25.56 | itchi | rainabba_: Where do you see that if it's a dual core or a core duo? |
| 08:26.15 | karsten | kcontrol |
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| 08:26.28 | itchi | karsten: yes |
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| 08:27.33 | rainabba_ | itchi: During boot-up , the BIOS should say, otherwise some sort of CPUID app. |
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| 08:28.15 | dos000 | anyone knows where the printf come out in php code ? i never debuged php. and yes #php is full :( |
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| 08:28.40 | bzed | Knight_Lord: sounds like common ldap error messages, most of them are not helpful :( |
| 08:28.42 | rainabba_ | itchi: Just a little reading gives me the impression I should stick with AMD64 because the Intel implementation is lacking. Looks like it makes little difference anyway (except there may be fewer packages available for EM64T) |
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| 08:29.05 | Gnea | dos000: try ##php |
| 08:29.24 | bzed | perlmonkey: you fool are still in the wrong room. you should have waited in #storage for an hour or so |
| 08:29.46 | dos000 | Gnea: bith full |
| 08:29.54 | bzed | perlmonkey: that rooms is very low traffic, so if you get an answer, it'll take some time |
| 08:30.01 | Gnea | dos000: bullshit, i just joined. |
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| 08:30.09 | Gnea | dos000: try again. |
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| 08:30.24 | karsten | bzed: perlmonkey still trying to get his RAID sorted? |
| 08:30.31 | bzed | karsten: yeah |
| 08:30.56 | dos000 | Gnea: i am getting thrown to overflow evrytime in asystematic way |
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| 08:31.11 | Gnea | dos000: i know, so did i - and that's fine, so ask there. |
| 08:31.33 | dos000 | kay |
| 08:31.43 | Gnea | overflow exists for a reason. |
| 08:33.10 | perlmonkey | karsten: ya :-/ I've pretty much given up on getting the raid to work tho, so now I'm focusing on getting the data restored |
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| 08:33.53 | perlmonkey | bzed: oh |
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| 08:35.37 | xand | php is fine |
| 08:35.41 | Gnea | bzed: opinions are like assholes: they all stink. |
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| 08:37.10 | WinniePooh | Hey. I apt-get installed Eclipse SDK. Were the sources also downloaded and if so where could I find them? |
| 08:37.16 | bzed | xand: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002/papers/html/php/index.html http://php-security.org/index.html http://tinyurl.com/2833nt |
| 08:37.19 | Gnea | perlmonkey: smart move. |
| 08:37.21 | WinniePooh | Or should I also apt-get eclipse-source ? |
| 08:37.39 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 08:37.44 | Gnea | bzed: i'm sorry, but that is off-topic. |
| 08:37.49 | rainabba_ | IF KVM packages exit for etch, what repo would most likely have them (or how would I go about checking without adding a bunch of repos to my apt.conf) ? |
| 08:38.28 | bzed | rainabba_: you need to install them from unstable |
| 08:38.37 | bzed | WinniePooh: what do you want to do? |
| 08:38.46 | bzed | WinniePooh: develope eclipse plugins? |
| 08:38.54 | WinniePooh | bzed: I want to read the source files of Eclipse |
| 08:39.26 | Gnea | WinniePooh: do you have a deb-src line(s) in sources.list? |
| 08:39.34 | rainabba_ | bzed: Damn, I just remembered why etch didn't work for me. I can't install kernel-source. Right? |
| 08:39.45 | Gnea | rainabba_: it's linux-source now |
| 08:39.55 | rainabba_ | ahh |
| 08:40.16 | perlmonkey | how come gddrescue doesn't even need the disk to be mounted to write to it? |
| 08:40.16 | WinniePooh | Gnea: only this one: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:40.22 | rainabba_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.34 | WinniePooh | there is also another commented out by installer because it failed to verify |
| 08:41.16 | perlmonkey | no errors reported so far |
| 08:41.25 | Gnea | WinniePooh: okay, just find your other deb lines and copy them in the same file and make it from deb to deb-src on those lines, then apt-get update and you should be able to apt-get source eclipse |
| 08:41.33 | bzed | WinniePooh: apt-get install eclipse-source |
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| 08:42.37 | bzed | WinniePooh: that should bring at least parts of it, not sure though. if that's not enough for you, do what Gnea said :) |
| 08:42.54 | Gnea | !beer bzed |
| 08:43.47 | WinniePooh | "eclipse-source is already the newest version." -> so probably i do have a part of them installed. i only want to check the coding style. but if they are installed already, where could i find them? |
| 08:44.13 | wols | dpkg -L will tell you |
| 08:44.13 | dpkg | ii will tell you 2.2-11 wols's private gamp collection |
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| 08:44.33 | Gnea | haha |
| 08:44.36 | bzed | Gnea: early in the morning? why? thanks! |
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| 08:45.00 | Gnea | bzed: dude, it's beer o'clock |
| 08:45.10 | itchi | free beer! :-) |
| 08:45.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:45.35 | nick_fn | Can I keep executable scripts in the debian/ directory? The resulting source package contains the script, but now non-executable. I guess this is because the debian/ directory passes through being a 'diff' file, which doesn't keep those bits. |
| 08:45.43 | itchi | bzed: Just put it in your fridge for this afternoon ;-) |
| 08:46.14 | itchi | bzed: It's like sex, better when it's free :-p |
| 08:46.18 | Gnea | nick_fn: maybe you need to put a README in there too that explains that they should be activated |
| 08:46.22 | bzed | itchi: haha indeed :D |
| 08:46.37 | nick_fn | Gnea: the script is run from debian/rules |
| 08:46.51 | itchi | Bah, i stole it from the software story |
| 08:46.55 | Gnea | nick_fn: i don't know that much about it, sorry |
| 08:47.08 | nick_fn | Gnea: I'm going to make it use "$(shell sh debian/myscript.sh)" instead of leaving out the "sh" |
| 08:47.29 | Gnea | nick_fn: cool, let me know if it works |
| 08:47.43 | nick_fn | Gnea: I assume it will, but hoped there was a neater way :-) |
| 08:47.53 | bzed | nick_fn: use dh_install to install it into your package |
| 08:48.17 | nick_fn | bzed: it's not part of the final 'application', it's just used for building the debian package |
| 08:48.20 | rainabba_ | To use the "unstable" repo I need to add "sid" or "unstable" to my sources.list? |
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| 08:48.31 | itchi | rainabba_: no, not do that |
| 08:48.35 | Gnea | !branch |
| 08:48.35 | dpkg | i heard branch is what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 08:48.45 | bzed | nick_fn: you could just chmod it then |
| 08:48.46 | Gnea | rainabba_: why do you want to use sid? |
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| 08:49.17 | rainabba_ | Gnea: I'm looking for KVM packages to use with Etch and I thought someone told me to use the unstable repo. |
| 08:49.23 | bzed | nick_fn: but I'd suggest to include the functions of that script into debian/rules, remember, that you should have a working debian/rules clean |
| 08:49.26 | nick_fn | bzed: true, ok. I'm asking in case there is a simple way to mark things that should be chmod'd after applying the debian patch which makes the debian/ directory |
| 08:49.45 | WinniePooh | got it thanks |
| 08:49.49 | bzed | nick_fn: if you run it from debian/rules, chmod it before running it |
| 08:49.54 | Gnea | rainabba_: then someone told you wrong. you should NOT mix unstable packages with a frozen branch, or any other branch for that matter. |
| 08:49.56 | itchi | rainabba_: KVM is in the kernel, i thought |
| 08:49.59 | nick_fn | bzed: thanks |
| 08:50.00 | bzed | rainabba_: yes, me, because it's not in etch |
| 08:50.02 | itchi | rainabba_: .20 i think |
| 08:50.17 | Gnea | rainabba_: you're more than likely to mess your system up hardcore by using any unstable packages with it. |
| 08:50.51 | itchi | rainabba_: Just fetch and compile a custom kernel?? |
| 08:51.00 | bzed | itchi: nah, not needed |
| 08:51.06 | rainabba_ | itchi: I've already run apt-get install kernel-image.....AMD64 (something like that) and it was still only .18. How do I update to .20 ? |
| 08:51.06 | bzed | there's a kvm-source pacakge |
| 08:51.14 | bzed | rainabba_: you don;t |
| 08:51.21 | itchi | rainabba_: get it of the net, and compile |
| 08:51.42 | bzed | rainabba_: you gram the kvm and kvm-source package from unstable and install them - if you really want to use kvm |
| 08:51.49 | itchi | rainabba_: yeah, but i dunno about kvm, i need to tell :-s |
| 08:52.31 | bzed | rainabba_: search for kvm on packages.debian org, you can probably just download both of them and install them, and then build the kvm modules by using modules-assistant |
| 08:52.41 | rainabba_ | bzed: If I don't get KVM working on this install, I'm giving up and falling back to VMware (and I don't want to do that) |
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| 08:53.13 | Teltariat | Anyone else find that direct rendering doesn't work anymore with the latest upgrade of the Xorg server? |
| 08:53.20 | Teltariat | (For fglrx) |
| 08:53.28 | rainabba_ | bzed: So search to find the package names, download then use apt-get install? |
| 08:53.31 | Teltariat | (On Deb. Etch) |
| 08:53.41 | bzed | rainabba_: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 08:53.58 | bzed | rainabba_: I still don;t know why xen didn't work for you. never understood the problem |
| 08:54.23 | perlmonkey | itchi: Is it ok to use the gddrescue for both the good/bad areas on the same backup dev, or should you use separate? |
| 08:54.41 | rainabba_ | bzed: Ok, then "man modules-assistant" and figure out how to build the modules after having instaled the packages (don't get that)? |
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| 08:55.02 | itchi | perlmonkey: i not yet have use that gddrescue thingy |
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| 08:55.10 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:55.34 | itchi | perlmonkey: It's for on your raid stuff? |
| 08:55.40 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 08:55.56 | itchi | perlmonkey: myeah, i shut up then :-p |
| 08:56.11 | perlmonkey | hehe raid seems to have that affect on people here ;-) |
| 08:56.32 | itchi | perlmonkey: nah, cause you can break it many better(tm) |
| 08:56.33 | Gnea | raid blows :) |
| 08:56.40 | Gnea | raid 0 at least |
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| 08:56.53 | Gnea | raid 5... i want to play with that a bit |
| 08:56.53 | perlmonkey | is blows good? |
| 08:57.01 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:57.02 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 08:57.10 | Gnea | if the user knows what they're doing ;) |
| 08:57.13 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:57.32 | SlayerXP | the main problem with raid is that people think it's a drop-in replacement for backups |
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| 08:57.35 | perlmonkey | i was quite down on raid-5 y'day |
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| 08:57.47 | rainabba_ | Gnea: Should really check out Raid6 if possible. Anyone who needs Raid5, likely actually needs Raid6. |
| 08:57.51 | Gnea | SlayerXP: exactly. |
| 08:57.52 | niru | <stdin>:237:2: error: invalid preprocessing directive #smbclient |
| 08:57.52 | niru | <stdin>:238:2: error: invalid preprocessing directive #smbfs |
| 08:57.52 | niru | <stdin>:239:2: error: invalid preprocessing directive #samba |
| 08:57.56 | perlmonkey | but i think raid-5 is actually quite good as long as you dont mess with the size |
| 08:58.02 | bzed | rainabba_: install the kvm-source; apt-get install modules-assistant ; m-a prepare && m-a a-i kvm |
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| 08:58.07 | itchi | niru: Nice Flood |
| 08:58.12 | Gnea | rainabba_: what does 6 add to 5? |
| 08:58.12 | bzed | !tell niru about paste |
| 08:58.19 | rainabba_ | SlayerXP: It is sad. RAID and backups are completely different concepts and people need to get that in their heads. |
| 08:58.35 | DawnLight | hello everyone |
| 08:59.00 | itchi | bzed: Is KVM faster as vmware-server? |
| 08:59.10 | rainabba_ | Gnea: 6 adds a 2nd parity set. That way if the array is degraded from one drive, you won't lose it from a 2nd drive failing while degraded. Raid5 can only tollerate 1 drive failure no matter the size. |
| 08:59.15 | bzed | rainabba_: especialyl because they need both. but there's not always a need for raid 6. raid 5 with a spare disk can work well, too |
| 08:59.31 | rainabba_ | bzed: Good point, but then why not run 6? |
| 08:59.43 | bzed | itchi: i ahve no damn clue. I use kvm because it allows me to run my tests in nice little windows :P |
| 08:59.48 | Gnea | rainabba_: good point - that's tight. |
| 08:59.50 | perlmonkey | rainnabba_ that is very true, one should not look upon raid as a backup device |
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| 09:00.09 | bzed | rainabba_: because you can share one spare with several raid 5 groups and raid 5 is faster than raid 6 |
| 09:00.10 | itchi | bzed: vmware too :-p |
| 09:00.13 | niru | itchi:Do you know the reason for above error |
| 09:00.26 | itchi | niru: Where got you that error? |
| 09:00.27 | rainabba_ | itchi: From what I've read (and it's been quite a bit), KVM should be quicker because it uses the VT extentions where VMWare Server (as of 1.1) does not, though VMware is pretty damn fast anyway. |
| 09:00.40 | perlmonkey | raid6 might be the way to go then once i get my data restored |
| 09:00.45 | niru | itchi:I am putting samba in cd |
| 09:00.51 | itchi | rainabba_: ohyeah, that KVM need special hardware? |
| 09:01.01 | rainabba_ | bzed: Good call. |
| 09:01.02 | bzed | itchi: but vmware does weird stuff :P kvm brings only one module which provides access to the hypervisor, and the rest just works like qemu |
| 09:01.07 | niru | itchi:while doing apt-get install samba it works fine |
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| 09:01.24 | rainabba_ | So if you've got more than 1 Raid5 array, use 5 with spare disk instead of Raid6. |
| 09:01.24 | DawnLight | i can use some help here. i've installed sarge from with businesscard, then upgraded to etch and installed xorg and then kde-base. now x-server quits a second after it's loaded. help? |
| 09:01.34 | itchi | ... in 2 months, first money money money |
| 09:01.43 | niru | itchi:but when added to cd shows that error |
| 09:02.00 | rainabba_ | itchi: It requires a modern CPU that that the Virtualization Extensions (Intel calls it VT, AMD calls it VXD or something like that) |
| 09:02.14 | itchi | niru: That's chinese |
| 09:02.17 | bzed | rainabba_: or just use raid 5 with a spare for a bit more speed. you need a backup anyway |
| 09:02.21 | itchi | niru: Or maybe Japanesse thingy |
| 09:02.21 | DawnLight | actually it was kde core |
| 09:02.41 | bzed | niru: what's your native language? |
| 09:02.45 | itchi | rainabba_: How can i check i have that? |
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| 09:03.49 | liable | hrm, iceweasel is flaking out when i paste large amounts of text into a mail.. |
| 09:03.52 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 09:04.03 | niru | bzed:indian |
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| 09:04.22 | Harzilein | i wonder how gaim expects bonjour screennames to be formatted... |
| 09:04.28 | Harzilein | if nick@host._presence_.tcp.local gets announced, do i enter nick, nick@host, nick@host.local? |
| 09:04.29 | itchi | niru: hhmm, i was not so far :-p |
| 09:04.32 | Harzilein | or are they supposed to show up automatically? (they don't) |
| 09:04.38 | rainabba_ | itchi: Don't recall off hand but it has something to do with searching boot logs I think. Otherwise I could most likely tell you based on your CPU (newer PentiumD and all Core2Duo) |
| 09:04.58 | bzed | niru: hmm, unfortunately I doubt we have an indian-speaking channel. seems you have to rephrase your question and probably add some more details so we understand the problem |
| 09:05.04 | rainabba_ | Is there a common place I should store .deb files? |
| 09:05.17 | bzed | itchi: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:05.18 | wols | rainabba_: AM2 socket CPUs, C2D 6xxx ones and some P4s mostly. VT or Vanderpool on intel, Pacifica on AMD |
| 09:05.20 | itchi | rainabba_: I have a core duo here on the laptop a T2050 |
| 09:05.36 | rainabba_ | itchi: What wols said. |
| 09:05.36 | itchi | bzed: nah, i not have vt there in the flags :-( |
| 09:05.52 | wols | itchi: but it should have it. Conroe cores do |
| 09:06.02 | bzed | itchi: it doesn't say vt |
| 09:06.22 | rainabba_ | itchi: Pastebin the output |
| 09:06.26 | itchi | fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor est tm2 xtpr |
| 09:06.31 | wols | rainabba_: why do you want to store them? apt does it automagically |
| 09:06.42 | itchi | bah, i can forget it :-s |
| 09:06.43 | rainabba_ | itchi: You might have it disabled in the Bios |
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| 09:06.55 | itchi | And it's a brand new laptop, 3 months old |
| 09:07.04 | wols | itchi: hp? |
| 09:07.07 | rainabba_ | wols: I've downloaded 2 .deb files from packages.debian.org. Where should I keep them? |
| 09:07.09 | perlmonkey | can you mix drive sizes in raid6, i know you can't in raid5 and drives should be roughly the same size eh |
| 09:07.20 | wols | cause hp has it disabled in some machines. without telling the user. while the hardware is cappable of it |
| 09:07.22 | itchi | rainabba_: Nah, i not have disable it anyway. I not remember to have see somethings about that |
| 09:07.38 | DawnLight | i can use some help here. i've installed sarge with businesscard, then upgraded to etch via aptitude (hope that's good) and installed xorg and then kde-base. now x-server quits a second after i start kdm. if anyone has some will to help it will be greatly appreciated |
| 09:07.42 | itchi | wols: Toshiba Satellite A110-178 |
| 09:07.43 | rainabba_ | itchi: What chipset are you using? |
| 09:07.51 | bzed | itchi: afaik you need to look for the vmx flag |
| 09:07.52 | perlmonkey | i.e. 5x18.2GB 1x146GB |
| 09:07.56 | wols | rainabba_: you could put it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ as the others |
| 09:07.56 | itchi | rainabba_: eeuhm, the chipset of what? |
| 09:08.03 | wols | or keep thbem in your ~ |
| 09:08.05 | itchi | rainabba_: I use my laptop :-p |
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| 09:08.12 | bzed | perlmonkey: no, of course not |
| 09:08.16 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:08.23 | rainabba_ | wols: ty |
| 09:08.24 | bzed | perlmonkey: you should learn how raid works |
| 09:08.31 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:08.41 | perlmonkey | bzed: can you do that in hard raid? |
| 09:08.55 | bzed | perlmonkey: what's a hard raid? |
| 09:09.05 | wols | bzed: hardware raid |
| 09:09.07 | perlmonkey | a raid thats controlled by hardware |
| 09:09.09 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: RAID5/6 can use different size disk, but you waste space and you're limited by the smallest disk. |
| 09:09.15 | bzed | perlmonkey: you really need to learn how raid works |
| 09:09.21 | perlmonkey | oh i see |
| 09:09.21 | wols | perlmonkey: just a likttle thought would show you how...strange... your request is |
| 09:09.25 | itchi | Anywhen, kug, i gona reboot the laptop and look in the bios |
| 09:09.30 | bzed | wols: I know :P |
| 09:09.56 | itchi | brb, note, irssi is running on screen on my main comp ... |
| 09:09.58 | wols | DawnLight: look in your xorg logs |
| 09:10.09 | bzed | perlmonkey: this question does not depen on the thing which will calculate your parity, it depends on how raid works in general |
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| 09:10.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:10.40 | markybob | i have a just-built beach house in brazil. anyone else just wanna say fuck this shit and give brazil a shot with me? figure a roommate would be fun to have |
| 09:10.56 | perlmonkey | raid needs careful planning it seems |
| 09:10.57 | bzed | itchi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_Technology#Intel_VT_.28IVT.29 |
| 09:11.15 | bzed | perlmonkey: it needs at least dissk of the same size |
| 09:11.16 | perlmonkey | i got 6 slots to play with in my raid and im buying new hdd's |
| 09:11.36 | perlmonkey | ok i will stick to same size as other drives then, 18.2GB |
| 09:11.51 | bzed | perlmonkey: use 3x300G |
| 09:11.52 | bzed | or so |
| 09:11.55 | bzed | :P |
| 09:11.59 | perlmonkey | cant afford that :-/ |
| 09:12.02 | perlmonkey | wish i could! |
| 09:12.03 | borizz | bzed: in raid 5, thats a pretty nice setup |
| 09:12.18 | bzed | borizz: that's what I'm running in my desktop |
| 09:12.22 | borizz | perlmonkey: 300G sata drives are what, 90 euro a piece? |
| 09:12.29 | bzed | yeah |
| 09:12.32 | perlmonkey | sata is useless in a scsi server |
| 09:12.36 | borizz | true true |
| 09:12.39 | DawnLight | markybob: perhaps defining "fuck this shit" will have some rewards |
| 09:12.46 | borizz | scsi drives are a tad more expensive too ;) |
| 09:12.50 | perlmonkey | for sure |
| 09:12.52 | bzed | perlmonkey: get a sata controller then. scsi is times more expensive thatn sata |
| 09:13.01 | perlmonkey | but they deliver much better performance also |
| 09:13.15 | bzed | perlmonkey: if you don't have a ton of users or running oracle on it, you're just fine with sata |
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| 09:13.19 | perlmonkey | i would prefer to stick with scsi |
| 09:13.22 | borizz | bzed: scsi does things sata can't... |
| 09:13.29 | bzed | perlmonkey: and every new sdata disk outperforms your old 18 GB scsi disks |
| 09:13.31 | markybob | DawnLight, the reward is a beach house in tropical brazil |
| 09:13.39 | perlmonkey | bzed: i doubt that |
| 09:13.41 | bzed | borizz: I know |
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| 09:14.34 | teclo- | hello ... uhh what's again the trick to allow smartctl to work with SATA disks ? There's a parameter I think.. which one ? |
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| 09:14.56 | bzed | perlmonkey: http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles.php?id=19 |
| 09:15.07 | perlmonkey | i might build a sata array in my workstation to save some money |
| 09:15.20 | bzed | teclo-: -d ata |
| 09:15.31 | wols | markybob: looking for a rommie on irc? boy you really are headed for disaster... |
| 09:16.15 | wols | perlmonkey: but use modern controllers with modernd disks (NCQ for example) |
| 09:16.18 | markybob | i wouldnt mind with a lot of the guys i've known here for years. you would definitely not be on the list, sorry to say |
| 09:16.25 | itchi | bah, nothings in the bios for that VT thing :-( |
| 09:16.26 | DawnLight | i think markybob will figure it out wols |
| 09:16.38 | itchi | bzed: Thanks for the link, gona check it out now |
| 09:17.12 | teclo- | bzed: thank you :) |
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| 09:17.37 | perlmonkey | wols: ok |
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| 09:19.30 | bzed | perlmonkey: we're serving about 4 TB of data from sata disks at work. they die faster than scsi disks in HEAVY usage, but I doubt you use them heavily at home |
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| 09:20.22 | perlmonkey | bzed: cool |
| 09:20.34 | wols | bzed: read the recent reports about harddisk reliability? |
| 09:20.36 | ma3x | how can I check how much space take the packages installed on my system? |
| 09:20.45 | wols | the mechanics are the same on both kinds of disks |
| 09:20.58 | DawnLight | i think my problem may be with the driver configuration. does anyone know how to configure ati radeon 9800pro? |
| 09:21.20 | borizz | DawnLight: i have a r9800pro, whats the problem? |
| 09:21.36 | perlmonkey | smaller scsi drives have the significant performance benefits as the newer (and more expensive) sata drives for a fraction of the cost |
| 09:21.46 | DawnLight | great borizz! |
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| 09:22.04 | wols | perlmonkey: scsi being cheaper? where? |
| 09:22.17 | perlmonkey | look on ebay for 18.2 SCSI |
| 09:22.22 | wols | and smaller harddisks having better performance? |
| 09:22.38 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: I've got a machine (running Windows Server 2003) that relies on the ICH8R southbridge and uses Intel Raid5 (3x300GB SATA1.5GB with NCQ) and all raw throughput benchmarks I've run show results that were very good compares to all the scsi arrays in the app (hdtach) for reads. Writes weren't shabby, but not amazing either until you consider how much more SCSI would cost to do the same. |
| 09:22.46 | bzed | perlmonkey: they're not faster at all. |
| 09:22.49 | perlmonkey | wols: better or at least equal to high end sata drives |
| 09:22.57 | perlmonkey | but for much less spend |
| 09:23.08 | perlmonkey | plus the performance edge |
| 09:23.14 | wols | you're not just confused about RAID it seems |
| 09:23.26 | wols | what performance do you get from those scsi drives? |
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| 09:23.32 | wols | how many MB/s? |
| 09:23.34 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: When you need real storage, 18GB disks won't cut it (you'd need too many racks and the cost would be counter productive, not to mention the cables). |
| 09:23.35 | DawnLight | hmmm... i've installed sarge from businesscard and then upgraded to etch using aptitude (hope that's okay) and then installed xorg and then kde-core. now x-server quits a second after kdm start, borizz |
| 09:23.38 | bzed | wols: I doubt the mechanics are the problem when disks die. all FC disks I've pulled out of our storage died on bad electronics |
| 09:23.44 | perlmonkey | faster seek times, faster RRM, no drain on CPU |
| 09:23.51 | perlmonkey | better reliability in general |
| 09:23.59 | wols | bzed: that's fucked up. why would electronics die? |
| 09:24.04 | wols | unless not cooled |
| 09:24.09 | DawnLight | borizz, please bear in mind that i'm in cli.... |
| 09:24.25 | rainabba_ | wols: There a quick way to test disk speed in Debian? I'll bench my SATAII drives using LInux Raid5 right now :) |
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| 09:24.34 | wols | the rpm won't help you when there is only 20% of the sata data densitiy... |
| 09:24.35 | borizz | DawnLight: look in the X log |
| 09:24.42 | perlmonkey | rainabba_ it depends what kind of storage needs you have I guess, I've managed very well on a 31GB raid5 using 3 x 18.2GB drives for a few years now |
| 09:24.49 | bzed | wols: I have no damn clue. the disks run in an environment with about 20-21 deg C |
| 09:24.50 | DawnLight | where's that, borizz? |
| 09:24.54 | wols | reliability is wrong too according to recent reports (USENix I believe) |
| 09:24.58 | borizz | DawnLight: it's in /var/logs... |
| 09:25.06 | wols | and a sata has no drain anymore. long gone that |
| 09:25.12 | bzed | wols: but probably the problem there was jsut this fucked up box from EMC which was replaced completely a fwe months ago |
| 09:25.13 | DawnLight | okay hold on opnening it |
| 09:25.16 | perlmonkey | it also depends on your budget and how much money you got to throw at storage eh |
| 09:25.29 | bzed | perlmonkey: sata is times cheaper |
| 09:25.44 | borizz | DawnLight: the error should be somewhere near the end of the file... it might say something like "No Screens Found" or somesuch. |
| 09:25.45 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: True, but I think we're debating potential/cost assuming the need for performance and storage (price per GB for comperable performance). |
| 09:26.09 | DawnLight | okay, i'm reading Xorg.0.log... |
| 09:26.15 | rainabba_ | Someone please tell me how I can bench my system right now so I can put some facts to this discussion. |
| 09:26.23 | perlmonkey | how much would a 40GB sata cost new? |
| 09:26.31 | bzed | perlmonkey: if I buy used stuff, I pay about 2000 EUR for 1 TB of scsi storage, including a HW raid controller and shelves and all other stuff you need |
| 09:26.40 | borizz | DawnLight: scroll down to the end and read up... you'll probably find the error faster :) |
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| 09:26.45 | bzed | rainabba_: use bonnie++ for example |
| 09:26.51 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: Try and find a 40Gb sata, hard to even find 160Gb on the shelves these days. |
| 09:27.07 | ShredZ | anyone have some intimate nvidia knowledge ? |
| 09:27.10 | perlmonkey | so you gotta spend more than you need to really to get sata eh |
| 09:27.14 | bzed | perlmonkey: for 1 TB of sata stuff in a raid 5 I'll pay... 90x3 EUR |
| 09:27.24 | bzed | perlmonkey: err, a bit more, that would be 600M |
| 09:27.51 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: No, 90$ will but 200GB. I'm just saying you won't save money on a 40GB because they're outdated. |
| 09:28.03 | rainabba_ | will buy |
| 09:28.12 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 09:28.45 | DawnLight | borizz... it seems i have misconfigured my mouse. it says something like "fatal error: failed to initialize core devices" |
| 09:29.46 | borizz | DawnLight: Ok. open the X config file and head to the mouse section... see if any glaring errors are present... the file should be commented and understandable |
| 09:30.03 | ShredZ | I manually installed nvidia's 96.31 drivers on my system and changed the init.d scripts to reflect this new version, however, if I start X, I notice it changes some libXvMCNVIDIA link back to the 87 version. |
| 09:30.05 | borizz | DawnLight: the x config file usually lives in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (but i'm not sure -- im at work) |
| 09:30.24 | DawnLight | hold on borizz |
| 09:30.37 | ShredZ | That is unless I re-run the nvidia installer, so where is debian resetting that lib ? |
| 09:30.40 | perlmonkey | £78 for 400GB 7200RPM sata new |
| 09:30.49 | bzed | perlmonkey: seriously, there's no sense in using scsi except for databases |
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| 09:31.04 | perlmonkey | bzed: that's what I do it use it for :P |
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| 09:31.23 | rainabba_ | perlmonkey: Can you install/run bonnie++ and post the results for that array? |
| 09:31.36 | bzed | perlmonkey: are you using UW320 or FC? |
| 09:31.38 | perlmonkey | hehe not at present |
| 09:31.50 | rainabba_ | bzed: Would you agree that even for DBs, it's becoming marginal with NCQ/ACHI ? |
| 09:32.07 | perlmonkey | bzed: UW |
| 09:32.28 | bzed | rainabba_: I guess an array of 10K FC will be faster. for anythign else - use sata |
| 09:32.40 | DawnLight | yes, borizz, that's the one i'm looking at. it doesn't have any errors that i can spot |
| 09:32.41 | perlmonkey | i use 15k RPM drives |
| 09:33.08 | rainabba_ | bzed: Got "can't putc(), disk full?" Any idea what that's about? |
| 09:33.45 | perlmonkey | 400GB storage for £70 is very attractive |
| 09:33.50 | bzed | perlmonkey: imho it's better use more slower drives and a faster system. uw160 is slow like hell |
| 09:34.13 | bzed | perlmonkey: you can even get 10k sata drives for cheap |
| 09:34.25 | bzed | rainabba_: your disk is full? |
| 09:34.38 | borizz | DawnLight: find the mouse section... make sure you don't have a mouse specified that you do not have (like a drawing tablet or somethign) |
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| 09:34.52 | rainabba_ | bzed: Think I got it. / only has 4GB free and I've got 3GB of ram so Bonnie want 2x that (6GB) |
| 09:35.29 | rainabba_ | bzed: I'll just make some more space available (running 6x160GB) :) |
| 09:35.35 | bzed | rainabba_: could be that bonnie tries to write more stuff to make sure it doesn't fit into the cache |
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| 09:36.28 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good nagios front-end ? better than it comes with it ..(web interface) |
| 09:36.51 | borizz | DawnLight: i have to go, sorry... |
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| 09:37.07 | rainabba_ | What package for GUI LVM management? |
| 09:37.15 | DawnLight | borizz: my mouse is in a USB. perhaps i didn't configure it properly. it says: "Configured Mouse", "mouse", "core pointer" "/dev/input/mice"... oh well... i'm a step closer... |
| 09:37.23 | bzed | xerophyte: i'mho the web thing is pretty good if configured right, but to configure it, you'll have to find somethign useful. i think there was a tool for that in debian, but never tried it |
| 09:37.42 | bzed | rainabba_: none I'd know of. but lvm is pretty easy to use on console |
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| 09:38.18 | rainabba_ | bzed: I've gotten through "m-a e-i kvm", "modprobe kvm", and "lsmod" shows KVM installed so I'm good there? |
| 09:38.28 | bzed | rainabba_: evms brings a gui, but evms sucks ass since a few months since the developers don;t have the time to keep up to date with the last changes in the kernel |
| 09:38.36 | bzed | rainabba_: modprobe kvm_avm |
| 09:38.44 | rainabba_ | kvm_avm? |
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| 09:38.58 | bzed | rainabba_: kvm_amd |
| 09:39.35 | rainabba_ | bzed: Error inserting, operation not supported |
| 09:39.53 | bzed | rainabba_: what machine do you have? |
| 09:40.11 | rainabba_ | Core2Duo e6300 on P965 chipset |
| 09:40.21 | bzed | rainabba_: of, modprobe kvm_vt then. |
| 09:40.31 | bzed | *oh |
| 09:41.04 | rainabba_ | kvm-intel :) |
| 09:41.09 | bzed | ah |
| 09:41.11 | bzed | :D |
| 09:41.17 | rainabba_ | Searched the misc folder. |
| 09:41.19 | bzed | I prefer amd |
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| 09:42.21 | bzed | rainabba_, perlmonkey, wols and others: http://pastebin.ca/413303 bonnie++ on my 3x300G sata I'm using in my desktop here |
| 09:42.25 | rainabba_ | Did rmmod kvm-intel and modprobe kvm-amd to be sure and it still won't load. kvm-intel better than nothing :) |
| 09:42.37 | ShredZ | nobody can tell me why I have to rerun my nvidia installer every time the system boots again (problem is in GLX) |
| 09:42.49 | bzed | rainabba_: lol you can;t use kvm-amd on an intel box |
| 09:42.52 | rainabba_ | bzed: WHich controller? |
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| 09:43.02 | bzed | ShredZ: you don't want to use that nvidia isntaller at all |
| 09:43.07 | wols | ShredZ: your nvidia kernel module is probably not loaded after reboot |
| 09:43.16 | eightpacks | what's kvm used for? |
| 09:43.19 | DawnLight | will someone be as enough as to tell me how to configure my usb mouse correctly? |
| 09:43.26 | bzed | ShredZ: are you on etch? |
| 09:43.29 | ShredZ | wols, yes it is |
| 09:43.32 | ShredZ | bzed, yes I am |
| 09:43.44 | bzed | ShredZ: use the --uninstall function of that nvidia thing then |
| 09:43.54 | bzed | ShredZ: I think /usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 09:44.05 | bzed | ShredZ: or somethign liek that. |
| 09:44.10 | ted__ | Is there some tutorial about how to compile with the libstdc++6-dbg libraries in /usr/lib/debug instead of those in /usr/lib....? thanks! |
| 09:44.13 | bzed | ShredZ: after that, do what dpkg will tell you |
| 09:44.21 | rainabba_ | bzed: I seeing 99% CPU during those tests? |
| 09:44.22 | bzed | !tell ShredZ about nvidia one-liner |
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| 09:44.46 | bzed | rainabba_: are you using md for your raid? |
| 09:45.17 | rainabba_ | bzed: yes |
| 09:45.24 | bzed | rainabba_: nVidia Corporation MCP55 SATA Controller; 3x 300G, md raid 5 |
| 09:45.35 | bzed | rainabba_: no wonder, it needs to calculate a ton of parity. |
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| 09:46.12 | rainabba_ | Yah, software raid :( Good argument for spending the $$ on hardware raid. We'll see how bad mine is in a few. Need to expand this lv first. |
| 09:46.18 | ShredZ | bzed, that your page ? |
| 09:46.29 | bzed | ShredZ: which one? |
| 09:46.38 | ShredZ | bzed, bzed.de with the nvidia stuff on it |
| 09:46.52 | bzed | ShredZ: yes. are you sure that you need the experimental stuff? |
| 09:47.12 | bzed | ShredZ: if not, jsut stick with the normal driver from etch |
| 09:47.39 | ShredZ | bzed, I kinda like the beryl eye candy and it works flawlessly on etch, only hickup is I need the 96.xx driver to support my gf3 |
| 09:48.14 | ShredZ | bzed, from 97.xx up it says my card is legacy, and your site says gf2 and below is legacy so I'm a bit confused |
| 09:48.17 | bzed | ShredZ: the gf3 is not supported by the 9xxx series |
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| 09:48.31 | ShredZ | bzed, it is by the 96.31 I am running atm |
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| 09:48.55 | ShredZ | bzed, so my guess is I need this version and not have it upgraded ever |
| 09:48.55 | DawnLight | how do i configure a usb mouse? |
| 09:49.03 | bzed | ShredZ: which is the 9xxx legacy driver, which is nothing but the 8xxx in etch |
| 09:49.33 | ShredZ | bzed, but the 8xxx doesn't do texture from pixmap extension which gives beryl speed |
| 09:49.42 | bzed | ShredZ: does the 9xxx do that? |
| 09:49.46 | ShredZ | bzed, yes |
| 09:50.03 | rainabba_ | After I extend the volume, what's the command to extend the fs (ext3) ? |
| 09:50.11 | bzed | ShredZ: aah, didn;t know that they've added that for the legacy driver |
| 09:50.19 | bzed | rainabba_: ext2resize |
| 09:50.23 | rainabba_ | ty |
| 09:50.41 | bzed | rainabba_: rainabba_ there's a online resizing version fo that, but I'd do it offline if you can |
| 09:51.17 | ShredZ | bzed, which is why I need to freeze the version of nvidia on this system if possible |
| 09:52.46 | bzed | ShredZ: you could ask the nvidia package maintainer to upload an nvidia legacy version to experimental |
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| 09:53.40 | ShredZ | bzed, I'll do that, think a lot of people with geforce3's and 4's are eventually gonna want to run beryl anyways |
| 09:53.43 | rainabba_ | chkfs? |
| 09:54.16 | rainabba_ | Is beryl 3D or just pretty 2D? |
| 09:54.29 | itchi | rainabba_: Watch on youtube ;-) |
| 09:54.47 | itchi | rainabba_: It is 3D |
| 09:55.15 | joel | got beryl up and running last night, one of the best bits of eye candy ever imo |
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| 09:55.40 | ShredZ | right, my point got confirmed :) |
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| 09:55.45 | joel | absolutely love it, espectially setting the minimize, maximize to random fire! :) |
| 09:56.05 | rainabba_ | random min and max? |
| 09:56.08 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 09:56.10 | ShredZ | I especially love the exposé rip-off :) |
| 09:57.26 | DawnLight | i'm having a silly noob problem installing a usb mouse :-/ will someone please help me a little |
| 09:57.38 | rainabba_ | Hahah, looks like "Beryl = (Mac OSX + Vista)^10 |
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| 09:58.16 | ruben | Hi, how can I read RSS on thunderbird? |
| 09:58.22 | ShredZ | DawnLight, silly problem . |
| 09:58.33 | rainabba_ | Tell ya what, KVM works out and maybe I'll run Debian for the Desktop and virtualize XP :) |
| 09:58.44 | rainabba_ | Then I can run beryl on my 6800GTX |
| 09:59.06 | DawnLight | ShredZ? |
| 09:59.16 | ShredZ | DawnLight, what's the problem ? |
| 09:59.47 | bzed | ShredZ: you could ask me next week then I'll probably have the time to build you an nvidia legacy package |
| 09:59.55 | Harzilein | hm, virtualizing xp... reminds me of having to try to compile perl plus some cpan modules with mingw |
| 09:59.55 | DawnLight | i don't know how to configure my usb mouse, ShredZ... |
| 10:00.13 | bzed | DawnLight: are you on etch? |
| 10:00.21 | DawnLight | positive, bzed |
| 10:00.28 | bzed | DawnLight: paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf into a pastebin please |
| 10:00.35 | joel | rainabba_ you won't have any problems with that card, I run mine on a 5600fx and it flies! |
| 10:01.10 | bzed | rainabba_: sure you can run beryl on that. btw, you can't virtualize XP with kvm yet |
| 10:01.16 | liable | yikes, i managed to kill thunderbird and mutt by pasting too much shit into a mail.. |
| 10:01.18 | bzed | rainabba_: you'll have to wait for the next verison |
| 10:01.29 | DawnLight | it will take me some time to do that without a mouse, bzed. |
| 10:01.33 | bzed | liable: spammer! |
| 10:01.57 | rainabba_ | I just wish someone would come up with a decent HMD (like 1600x1200 at least) that costs less than $1000. Add that to something like beryl and head-tracking and we've got a whole new desktop experience (idea I've been toying with for a few years now). |
| 10:02.03 | liable | bzed: heh, its debug info actually :P |
| 10:02.16 | liable | bzed: wanna buy some ciallis? |
| 10:02.24 | bzed | DawnLight: hmm, stay with the mouse sections. |
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| 10:02.43 | rainabba_ | bzed: So I got that module in now. I still need to isntall qemu seperately right? |
| 10:03.01 | bzed | liable: no, thanks. wanna have some p1ll taht makes your Wiener schlonger? |
| 10:03.13 | bzed | rainabba_: you need to install the kvm package |
| 10:03.32 | rainabba_ | dpkg -i ? |
| 10:03.36 | bzed | yeah |
| 10:03.41 | bzed | for example |
| 10:03.49 | bzed | and insteall it's dependencies before |
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| 10:04.38 | bzed | rainabba_: apt-get install libasound2 libsdl1.2debian libuuid1 zlib1g iproute bridge-utils |
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| 10:04.46 | bzed | rainabba_: do that before you install the kvm package |
| 10:05.15 | bzed | rainabba_: add qemu to the list |
| 10:05.56 | rainabba_ | kvm is in. Now the question that should get me flamed toasty :) There a decent GUI to help me minimize my mistakes and reduce my learning curve for the configuration files? |
| 10:06.19 | ruben | Hi, how can I read RSS on thunderbird? any idea? |
| 10:06.47 | cydork | rainabba_: kate? gedit? |
| 10:07.04 | perlmonkey | can anyone make any sense of this: EXT2-fs error (device md0): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1 not in group (block 0)! EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted! |
| 10:07.15 | cydork | ruben: there was some extensions, which had that. |
| 10:07.17 | DawnLight | bzed: when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it lets me choose between input/mice, psaux, ttyS0, tts0, and gmpdata. isn't there something missing? |
| 10:07.36 | liable | ruben: just put the feed in |
| 10:08.05 | rainabba_ | cydork: ty |
| 10:08.12 | liable | rainabba_: i think gnome and kde even have an option to start there gui editors as root (for editing conf files owned by root) |
| 10:08.18 | jeff_hann | ruben: file->new->account |
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| 10:09.45 | rainabba_ | Oops, think I wasn't clear. I mean GUI editor/manager for qemu/kvm, not in general :) |
| 10:10.46 | bzed | DawnLight: you want to use input/mice |
| 10:10.47 | cydork | rainabba_: kde had some gui interface for qemu. |
| 10:11.21 | christopherl | anyone know if Bluetooth works in Debian? |
| 10:11.36 | bzed | christopherl: works |
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| 10:11.40 | liable | christopherl: sure |
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| 10:11.53 | cydork | rainabba_: there is gtk-qemu too iirc. |
| 10:11.55 | DawnLight | there's Im and Explorer, bzed? |
| 10:12.05 | bzed | DawnLight: imps/2 |
| 10:12.18 | itchi | heh, windwows vs linux, kug, linux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zk8EAoleLg&NR |
| 10:12.46 | itchi | I have the same trouble, it take ages before that XP is loaded, compared to Debian |
| 10:12.50 | christopherl | because I'm thinking of buying Logitech Media Desktop that is Bluetooth, but their software is only for Windows |
| 10:13.18 | christopherl | think is going to work without that software? |
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| 10:13.41 | Harzilein | christopherl: might... how about bringing a live distro and checking it at the store? |
| 10:14.46 | christopherl | ok |
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| 10:15.32 | DawnLight | bzed: x-server crashes after a second and near the end of the log there are complaints about not being able to open the /dev/input/mice |
| 10:16.09 | liable | DawnLight: modprobe mousdev |
| 10:16.13 | liable | then try again |
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| 10:18.11 | DawnLight | well, liable, bzed, now it starts and the cursur doesn't move |
| 10:20.14 | rainabba_ | cydork: qtk-qemu looks good |
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| 10:20.57 | rainabba_ | There a way to search through possible man entries with wildcards? For example I know there's an ext2* command to create a file system, but I don't know what it is. |
| 10:21.19 | petemc | mkfs.<fs> |
| 10:21.52 | itchi | where do you find that qtk-qemu tool? |
| 10:21.53 | cydork | rainabba_: apropos |
| 10:22.09 | rainabba_ | tyitchi: used apt-cache search |
| 10:22.54 | rainabba_ | cydork: I like, thank you |
| 10:22.55 | wols | rainabba_: locate foo |grep man |
| 10:22.57 | cydork | wols: why? why? |
| 10:23.03 | wols | cydork: huh? |
| 10:23.18 | DawnLight | i've found a USB to PS2 so i'll try that. thanks |
| 10:23.26 | cydork | wols: apropos!!! |
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| 10:23.42 | Kruser_ | hi all |
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| 10:24.33 | wols | cydork: why use more useless programs when the basic tools already have what I want ;) |
| 10:24.58 | cydork | wols: better results :P |
| 10:25.40 | liable | rainabba_: apropos is very handy, it searches for manpages, ie, apropos mkfs |
| 10:25.56 | itchi | cydork: mean you not gtk-qemu? google not know about qtk-qemu |
| 10:26.02 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:26.02 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:26.13 | cydork | itchi: yes gtk :) |
| 10:27.24 | itchi | hhhm, qemu-launcher is still the nicest then. And packaged for Debian :-p |
| 10:27.52 | fericitu_ | i try to instal virtualmin and i recive somme errors... wher i can paste it ?? |
| 10:28.13 | fericitu_ | you know a better alternativ at virtualmin ? |
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| 10:28.18 | itchi | http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/qemu-launcher1.jpg up to 5.jpg |
| 10:28.33 | itchi | fericitu_: What's that stuff? |
| 10:28.40 | itchi | fericitu_: vmware alike stuff? |
| 10:28.41 | cydork | itchi: itchi hmm must be new.. never tried it |
| 10:29.09 | itchi | cydork: Some months now |
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| 10:29.53 | fericitu_ | nope ...it a control panel |
| 10:29.55 | itchi | fericitu_: nah, realy not the same |
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| 10:30.02 | itchi | yeah, saw it right now |
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| 10:30.18 | itchi | fericitu_: Maybe tell us the error you got |
| 10:30.19 | Guerin | fericitu_: control panels are for ISPs. If you're an ISP you can afford cpanel/plesk. |
| 10:30.23 | szarak | hi |
| 10:30.38 | perlmonkey | anyone spot any problems with this: http://pastebin.ca/413330 |
| 10:30.42 | fericitu_ | Dépaquetage de webmin-core (à partir de .../webmin-core_1.180-3sarge1_all.deb) ... |
| 10:30.43 | fericitu_ | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin-core_1.180-3sarge1_all.deb (--install) : |
| 10:30.43 | fericitu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.43 | fericitu_ | dpkg-deb: sous-processus paste tué par le signal (Relais brisé (pipe)) |
| 10:30.43 | fericitu_ | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
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| 10:30.52 | fericitu_ | uff |
| 10:31.03 | itchi | !tell fericitu_ about paste |
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| 10:31.16 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 10:31.19 | Guerin | fericitu_: give up on webmin |
| 10:31.25 | cydork | !webmin |
| 10:31.26 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 10:31.26 | Guerin | fericitu_: it's discontinued in debian |
| 10:31.30 | itchi | fericitu_: Your file /usr/share/webmin/at/CHANGELOG will be overwriten |
| 10:31.51 | itchi | fericitu_: Remove that webmin crap first and try again to install taht other thingy |
| 10:32.11 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 10:32.40 | fericitu_ | you know a bether alternative ? |
| 10:32.48 | Guerin | fericitu_: none |
| 10:32.51 | itchi | fericitu_: no |
| 10:32.57 | Guerin | fericitu_: *anything* is better than webmin |
| 10:33.06 | itchi | fericitu_: Did you understand your french error ? :-) |
| 10:33.06 | fericitu_ | wow |
| 10:33.14 | Guerin | if virtualmin is half as crap, then anything is better than that, too |
| 10:33.58 | itchi | I dunno about that virtualmin :-) |
| 10:34.09 | itchi | fericitu_: Problem fixed? |
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| 10:34.31 | fericitu_ | who was tryed this : VHCS VM - Virtual Hosting Server with an Open Source Control Panel |
| 10:35.10 | torrrr | hi |
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| 10:35.47 | torrrr | if I want to patch a package, is there a standard way to get the source and rebuild it? |
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| 10:39.19 | cydork | torrrr: you can use apt-get to build the dependances and to get the source. /msg dpkg source |
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| 10:39.35 | itchi | grr bananasplit |
| 10:39.54 | roshan | i have debian etch desktop installed. How can I convert it to domain server |
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| 10:40.05 | jake | Where can I find a list of the drivers on etch/i386/net-drivers-{1,2}.img ? |
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| 10:41.07 | itchi | When that happend there's noted ie (+43 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) but /NETSPLIT output tell me There are no net split wtf |
| 10:41.40 | itchi | roshan: You need to leave it at least 24 hours in the fridge, otherwise it will always fail |
| 10:42.15 | cydork | roshan: domain server? |
| 10:42.32 | itchi | roshan: he, the beer he |
| 10:42.45 | me_here | bozi |
| 10:42.50 | me_here | heheeeeeeeeeee |
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| 10:43.20 | dosingrat | Please does someone know why can't log-in via xdm ? The error message from xdm.log says "cannot remove process ID file /var/run/xdm.pid: Permission denied" and "not sourcing /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup (No such file or directory) ? What's the trick to fix this ? |
| 10:43.23 | itchi | roshan: Anyway, just remove all the DE you have installed, and install the 'server' stuff. Then go to the frigde and be happy with the fresh beer :-) |
| 10:43.29 | roshan | basically, I want to make it server so that my son's machine can use printer connected to my machine |
| 10:43.51 | cydork | roshan: install cups |
| 10:43.54 | me_here | you netsplit geier you |
| 10:43.55 | dosingrat | although no permission is denied on xdm.pid |
| 10:44.00 | me_here | *g* |
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| 10:44.17 | Kruser | can please help me someone with lvm ? |
| 10:44.28 | itchi | roshan: You want 'samba', that's not a joke ;-) |
| 10:44.32 | itchi | !samba |
| 10:44.33 | dpkg | i heard samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 10:44.40 | itchi | roshan: and the cups stuff too |
| 10:44.41 | perlmonkey | boo |
| 10:44.47 | perlmonkey | 3 hrs and no luck |
| 10:44.55 | roshan | cydork: so installing cups makes it a print server? |
| 10:44.59 | itchi | perlmonkey: bah, cause your beer is sad |
| 10:45.09 | itchi | roshan: yes |
| 10:45.23 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:45.29 | itchi | roshan: Then you need to share you printer, with Samba |
| 10:45.42 | perlmonkey | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda5 |
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| 10:45.57 | itchi | It's to hot here :-s |
| 10:45.58 | wols | roshan: among other things yes, it makes it a print server. IF your client are win2k and above |
| 10:46.05 | itchi | I gona broke an window, i feel it |
| 10:46.30 | wols | roshan: if you have win9x clients you need to use samba |
| 10:46.31 | itchi | s/broke/break |
| 10:46.50 | roshan | my son's machine is win2k |
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| 10:46.54 | roshan | i am installing cups now |
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| 10:47.11 | jake | Found it. Seems like 2.2.5 should link to 2.6 in the installation guide |
| 10:47.15 | wols | IIRC it's "internet printer" on win2k |
| 10:47.23 | itchi | wols: not needed for version higher as 98? |
| 10:47.32 | liable | roshan: you can set cups up so that the printer announces itself on the network, win2k should be able to see it, and print to it with postscript |
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| 10:48.31 | Zmanu | hello |
| 10:48.45 | itchi | wtf, i have XP on this box, i can test it haha |
| 10:48.58 | torrrr | I have a patch/ in the source dir. Does it means that these patchs would be applied? (and all I need to do is copy the new patch there?) |
| 10:49.08 | liable | theres a little bit of cupsd.conf futzing though |
| 10:49.22 | roshan | i checked in synaptic package manager and found that cupsys package is already installed |
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| 10:49.32 | fericitu_ | who can help me please .. when i try apt-get -f install i recive : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5862 |
| 10:49.38 | Zmanu | i try to use links2 in graphic mode with frame buffer, i can run it in root, but my user get Error opening '/dev/tty0' |
| 10:49.43 | Zmanu | is someone can help me ? |
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| 10:50.17 | liable | cupsys should pull in cupsd |
| 10:50.41 | itchi | fericitu_: Some package you have installed on your box depend on webmin, that's is it |
| 10:50.59 | rainabba_ | Damn :( Qemu-launcher looks great, but when I hit "Launch"... Nada. |
| 10:51.03 | itchi | fericitu_: oh wait |
| 10:51.17 | itchi | fericitu_: What's /etc/webmin/uninstall.sh ? |
| 10:51.25 | liable | fericitu_: can we have the apt stuff in english please |
| 10:51.35 | itchi | fericitu_: man man man, use your package manager! |
| 10:51.45 | liable | itchi: uninstall script from a non debian package |
| 10:51.47 | fericitu_ | it is the script for uninstall USERMIN |
| 10:51.59 | itchi | fericitu_: That stuff is already crap ... and doing so ... |
| 10:52.04 | itchi | liable: Yeah i guess it too |
| 10:52.18 | wols | itchi: win9x cannot use cups for printing. only win2k and above |
| 10:53.03 | fericitu_ | i uninstalled webmin and usermin and when i type apt-get -f update it is tring to install somme package for webmin ! |
| 10:53.05 | bzed | itchi: but you can share a cups printer via samba |
| 10:53.23 | itchi | wols: I dunno to be honnest how to share my printer with MS stuff. I have XP here on the laptop, you did me remember to it :-p Gona try it out when i reboot. So tomorrow probably |
| 10:53.58 | itchi | fericitu_: Cause you did it the bad way(tm) :-s |
| 10:54.03 | liable | samba is the ass for printer sharing |
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| 10:54.06 | itchi | fericitu_: hold on |
| 10:54.10 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 10:54.19 | fericitu_ | i'm waiting |
| 10:54.37 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody know if there is a package for PECL in etch? didn't find |
| 10:55.44 | roshan | downloading and installing samba |
| 10:55.47 | itchi | fericitu_: What you can do is move that /usr/share/webmin/at/CHANGELOG file, the hardcore way. But there's a option to overwritten file of other packages |
| 10:56.03 | itchi | fericitu_: But there we continue on the sad way. So hold on for a better fix |
| 10:56.24 | liable | eh? |
| 10:56.45 | perlmonkey | 240 files rescued |
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| 10:56.48 | rainabba_ | Huston: We have KVM!!!! .... But, it's not doing anything (trying to boot Acronis TrueImage) |
| 10:56.52 | itchi | liable: He want to install virtualadmin or whatever that want to overwrite the file /usr/share/webmin/at/CHANGELOG |
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| 10:57.17 | liable | --force-overwrite |
| 10:57.24 | itchi | liable: Thanks! |
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| 10:57.29 | itchi | fericitu_: ^^ |
| 10:57.36 | latz_ | is there a way to autologin, I am using debian for a digital picture frame, so I need a user to autologin after boot up , run startx |
| 10:57.37 | Zmanu | is someone knows if it's possible to run firefox in framebuffer ? |
| 10:57.58 | itchi | !overwrite |
| 10:57.58 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 10:58.01 | itchi | fericitu_: ^^ |
| 10:58.26 | jatt | test due 'You have been kicked off channel #debian-overflow by debhelper: idle 5 min' :( |
| 10:58.28 | petemc | latz: use a display manager |
| 10:58.46 | latz | ohh yeah that would be an idea |
| 10:58.47 | latz | thanks |
| 10:58.57 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 10:58.58 | liable | jatt: you dont want to stay in overflow anyway.. |
| 10:58.58 | itchi | latz: Make use of gdm??, there's a autologin option |
| 10:58.59 | fericitu_ | thx |
| 10:59.09 | jatt | liable: no idea how did I get there :) |
| 10:59.11 | fericitu_ | i will try |
| 10:59.39 | itchi | fericitu_: To be honnest, you need to avoid to use such crap stuff :-s |
| 10:59.40 | roshan | installed samba but can't find in menu |
| 10:59.44 | latz | the thing is I want to keep it as low on disk space usage as possible ... at the moment I only have X installed with qiv for picture viewing ... the dependencies on gdm and kdm are probably to big |
| 10:59.46 | liable | jatt: there have been netsplits, and when too many people try to join here at once, they get kicked to overflow |
| 10:59.46 | roshan | i am using kde |
| 11:00.50 | torrrr | anyone knwos what the debian/patch dir means when trying to rebuild from source? |
| 11:00.55 | liable | roshan: get your printer working locally first |
| 11:00.56 | itchi | roshan: run 'printconf' to config it |
| 11:01.16 | liable | is that a lpr thing or what? |
| 11:01.20 | roshan | liable: printer is working locally and i can print |
| 11:01.31 | perlmonkey | does anyone here know if PhotoRec can restore the filenames/directory paths as well as actual data? |
| 11:01.42 | itchi | perlmonkey: testdisk |
| 11:01.52 | perlmonkey | itchi: testdesk couldnt do it :-/ |
| 11:02.02 | itchi | perlmonkey: how so? |
| 11:02.04 | liable | roshan: k, sec, i will paste my cupsd.conf so you can see how to get yours networked |
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| 11:02.22 | wols | Zmanu: ffox is a X program... |
| 11:02.33 | perlmonkey | itchi: I tried testdesk it read the partition table fine and showed the raid partition but was not able to read/list it |
| 11:02.39 | itchi | Eulex: Your on the wrong channel, should be #debian :-p |
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| 11:03.18 | lvalue | why do i need gcc to run openoffice binaries? http://rafb.net/p/rqwzRm16.html |
| 11:03.21 | itchi | perlmonkey: Which fs use you? |
| 11:03.36 | Zmanu | wols: yes, but is there a possibility to run it inside a framebuffer |
| 11:03.40 | perlmonkey | itchi: on the first partition of the raid, it's showing as ext2 |
| 11:04.16 | wols | Zmanu: it's X and X only |
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| 11:04.27 | bald3333 | hi everybody |
| 11:04.41 | latz | itchi: see if I would install gdm I would have to add another 108mb to my distro |
| 11:04.42 | perlmonkey | itchi: im astonished that photorec is able to retrieve all my files tho, even if the filenames and directories are lost, at least that's something! |
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| 11:05.15 | bald3333 | does anybody know any book in wich teaches who to deal with a loaded linux server and his possible bottlenecks? file-descriptors... inodes.... |
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| 11:05.58 | perlmonkey | hehe it will probably take more more time to wade thru all those files tho and rename them all than it would to do all the work from the scratch ;-) |
| 11:06.21 | itchi | perlmonkey: Yeah, tell that to the people, run you a journaled fs? ext3 ? |
| 11:06.24 | liable | roshan: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5863 i have the two ip's in the admin section, so i can admin the thing from those boxes (my printer server is headless) you prolly dont need that bit.. |
| 11:06.36 | latz | itchi: I am trying xdm :) |
| 11:06.50 | perlmonkey | itchi: I'm not sure, all i know is it's ext2 |
| 11:06.55 | itchi | latz: Nice to, but i dunno if it have auto-login features |
| 11:07.22 | latz | itchi no it does't look like it has |
| 11:07.27 | itchi | perlmonkey: ext2 is not journaled, or patched with journalling. But i had get back some testfile of a ext3 fs |
| 11:07.36 | latz | too bad |
| 11:07.37 | itchi | perlmonkey: Did it 'just for fun' |
| 11:07.41 | perlmonkey | itchi: over 20,000 files recovered so far |
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| 11:07.56 | perlmonkey | itchi: ok |
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| 11:08.02 | perlmonkey | itchi: :D |
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| 11:08.15 | rainabba_ | I've started a KVM with -S and now it won't die. 'c' doesn't continue it, killing the pid doesn't kill it, what now? |
| 11:08.20 | itchi | perlmonkey: Yeah, my test wat with some 50 MB of files, just some copy |
| 11:08.34 | liable | rainabba_: prolly a zombie |
| 11:08.40 | Daemonik | How's a user set it so that by default files are created with the permissions 600? |
| 11:08.43 | rainabba_ | liable: zombie? |
| 11:08.48 | liable | !zombie |
| 11:08.48 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 11:08.53 | perlmonkey | itchi: phew I wish I could do that. do you think it's because the raid is messed up, and this partition was part of a soft raid? |
| 11:09.01 | latz | but I found a thread in a forum about autologin and xdm, which is tagged *SOLVED* |
| 11:09.06 | rainabba_ | ty |
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| 11:09.56 | itchi | perlmonkey: eeuhm, i know to less about RAID. Have play a bit with soft, but have quick remove it cause a need of the HDD's for other comps :-( |
| 11:10.22 | itchi | perlmonkey: I gona buy me a second hands P4 in 2 months :)) |
| 11:11.25 | wols | perlmonkey: if you formatted that partition as pard of a softraid, of course you can't mount it without the raid |
| 11:11.33 | roshan | liable: what is the location of printconf file |
| 11:11.46 | wols | jelly-home: not too bad with USB2.0 I imagine |
| 11:11.48 | perlmonkey | wols: good point |
| 11:12.26 | wols | itchi: waste of money for that p4 probably |
| 11:12.27 | perlmonkey | wols: im confused tho why the sda5 partition is showing as ext2 fs, and the other raid partitions are showing as raid |
| 11:12.51 | perlmonkey | wols: is it normal for the first partition in a soft raid to be ext2? |
| 11:12.51 | itchi | wols: 325 euro's |
| 11:13.01 | wols | itchi: for a cpu? |
| 11:13.21 | rainabba_ | Better to install/use RPM or compile from tarBall? |
| 11:13.23 | liable | roshan: eh? |
| 11:13.36 | jzu_ | Anyone into PA-speakers?:O |
| 11:13.38 | wols | rainabba_: neither |
| 11:13.46 | itchi | wols: This one probably http://tinyurl.com/3ygsrp |
| 11:14.00 | liable | roshan: you should have your printer config file in /etc/cups/ |
| 11:14.04 | perlmonkey | well it seems the restoration has restored my directory tree, but the names are gone.. everything is like f208880 |
| 11:14.16 | liable | roshan: that paste i gave you was /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 11:14.23 | itchi | wols: Mainly for vm's |
| 11:14.33 | liable | roshan: you should have your printer config file in /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 11:14.36 | rainabba_ | wols: I need to install VMWare (I give up on OpenSource Virtualization) and they provide RPM and TarBall. If neither, then what? |
| 11:14.52 | wols | !vmware |
| 11:14.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 11:14.58 | wols | :( |
| 11:15.01 | cydork | :) |
| 11:15.03 | wols | rainabba_: tarball then |
| 11:15.09 | rainabba_ | k |
| 11:15.17 | itchi | rainabba_: wait, download that vmware-server source and run that perl installer script |
| 11:15.21 | wols | but heed what dpkg said :) |
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| 11:15.54 | rainabba_ | wols: That was kind of uncalled for considering my question really had nothing to do with VMWare (I only mentioned it for context). |
| 11:15.57 | wols | itchi: do you know it has VT? (I still think it's overpriced) |
| 11:16.14 | jelly-home | rainabba_: why "neither"? tar.gz works. |
| 11:16.24 | wols | rainabba_: it's never uncalled for to poo poo closed source. this is #debian after all :) |
| 11:16.26 | itchi | wols: ah, euhm, yeah, now you tell about that :-p |
| 11:16.29 | rainabba_ | jelly-home: wols said neither, not me |
| 11:16.57 | rainabba_ | wols: I'd agree if the open-source software could compete, but the reality is that it's not mature enough yet (despite my hopes and dreams). |
| 11:17.08 | itchi | wols: I planned to use vmware-server, or somethings better and completely free, such as openvz, but to bugy at this stage :-s But realy realy nice stuff btw |
| 11:17.18 | jelly-home | rainabba_: exactly. Use the right tool for the job. |
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| 11:17.59 | wols | trouble with vmware is right now: it doesn't use any hardware virtualization |
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| 11:18.06 | rainabba_ | wols: I've spent 4 days finding this out the hard way (harrasing the nice folks in Debian, Fedora, and CentOS) |
| 11:18.20 | wols | which is not such a bad thing right now cause there are cpus without that, but it will bein future |
| 11:18.43 | wols | rainabba_: is your cpu VT capable? |
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| 11:19.06 | rainabba_ | wols: At the moment, vmware still provides a MUCH more friendly experience for software virtualization though. Yes, Core2Duo |
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| 11:19.44 | itchi | rainabba_: openvz is the nicest tool to manage, i find, but that sad quota bug gggrrrr |
| 11:19.49 | rainabba_ | wols: It works for every OS I've thrown at it too. |
| 11:20.14 | rainabba_ | itchi: openvz manages which technology? |
| 11:20.27 | itchi | rainabba_: no, to manage |
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| 11:20.36 | itchi | rainabba_: To manage your vm's |
| 11:21.12 | rainabba_ | itchi: based on what technology though? (qemu, bochs, xen, etc...) |
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| 11:21.19 | itchi | rainabba_: I dunno :-p |
| 11:21.34 | itchi | rainabba_: No one i thought |
| 11:21.39 | itchi | I had read that openvz is faster as kvm too |
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| 11:22.53 | itchi | rainabba_: I not find that article directly back, i think it was somewhere on the openvz website. |
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| 11:23.35 | rainabba_ | itchi: Any gui tools for openvz (already installed the kernel patch and vzctl) |
| 11:23.56 | itchi | rainabba_: nope no need, just use your cli :-) |
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| 11:24.10 | rainabba_ | bahh |
| 11:25.48 | itchi | rainabba_: See here my draft notes http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=264 |
| 11:25.49 | rainabba_ | Not finding an OS compatibility list for OpenVZ, it do Windows? |
| 11:25.57 | liable | !baa |
| 11:25.57 | dpkg | somebody said baa was the sound a sheep makes |
| 11:26.04 | liable | pffft |
| 11:26.33 | itchi | rainabba_: Dunno, i not use that at home :-) |
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| 11:27.54 | rainabba_ | itchi: That looks less friendly to use than Xen or KVM |
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| 11:29.09 | itchi | rainabba_: I find that peace of cake |
| 11:29.26 | itchi | rainabba_: I dunno about Xen and KVM at this stage |
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| 11:29.54 | rainabba_ | itchi: Maybe "piece of cake" when you've got one of those templates, but would you say the same without one? |
| 11:29.56 | itchi | rainabba_: Just that f* crap quota bug in openvz, otherwise that stuff is kina awesome |
| 11:30.12 | itchi | rainabba_: Yeah |
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| 11:31.54 | Kruser | if i create a raid 5 array with 3 discs and mdadm, can i later add another disk tu grow up the space on the array ? |
| 11:32.26 | fericitu_ | itchi, when use apt-get install webmin (like exemple) where are all files installed ??? |
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| 11:32.32 | bzed | Kruser: you CAN with raid 5 or raid 6, but that's still experimental code, you should NOT try it without backup |
| 11:32.49 | liable | fericitu_: dpkg -L webmin |
| 11:32.49 | itchi | fericitu_: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:32.59 | itchi | doh! |
| 11:33.10 | liable | itchi: thats the .deb :P |
| 11:33.16 | Kruser | bzed: thx, i hope that it will be stable when i will try this in maybe one year ^^ |
| 11:33.16 | bzed | itchi: are you using openvz? |
| 11:33.21 | itchi | liable: Yeah, misunderstood him :-) |
| 11:33.39 | itchi | bzed: no more, have play a bit with it, that's is it |
| 11:33.42 | fericitu_ | thx |
| 11:33.50 | itchi | bzed: I use vmware-server now |
| 11:33.58 | bzed | Kruser: hehe I guess it will be, or md will be totally outdated and all people will be using dmraid :P but I guess they'd provide a sane upgrade path then ;) |
| 11:34.01 | bzed | itchi: eww! |
| 11:34.16 | itchi | bzed: qemu is kinda nice, but i need a 'server' tool |
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| 11:34.35 | slide_ | hi all |
| 11:34.38 | itchi | yo |
| 11:34.39 | bzed | itchi: i guess kvm will become nice. xen works well, though |
| 11:34.47 | bzed | itchi: even on old machines |
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| 11:35.00 | liable | dmraid replace mdadm you reckon? |
| 11:35.02 | slide_ | someone of us have installed maya 8.5 on debian etch? |
| 11:35.16 | liable | !ask |
| 11:35.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:35.20 | itchi | bzed: Yeah, i need to try that xen, in awaiting i have hardware that support the KVM |
| 11:36.15 | bzed | itchi: xen wrks without virtualization support in HW, but kvm not. if you want something kvm like, then qemu would be the thing ;) |
| 11:36.34 | crazy_penguin | Hello |
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| 11:37.41 | liable | roshan: did you try that conf? |
| 11:38.24 | rainabba_ | bzed: When xen works..... Even when you get it running though, it's not going to handle as my OSs as vmware. |
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| 11:39.10 | bzed | rainabba_: you mean as many? |
| 11:39.32 | rainabba_ | The thing that keeps killing me is trying to boot to ISO with Acronis TrueImage which is based on some *nix kernel, but won't book in Xen yet. |
| 11:39.40 | bzed | rainabba_: well it supports windows, BSD, linux.... that's one OS more than I need |
| 11:39.44 | rainabba_ | bzed: Yep, that's what I meant :) |
| 11:40.16 | liable | i hope windows is the extra one.. :P |
| 11:40.19 | torrrr | hi |
| 11:40.21 | bzed | rainabba_: it can't boot. to run a guest operating system in xen you need support for xen in the _guests_ kernel, too |
| 11:41.12 | wols | bzed: huh? how can you booz Windows inside the guest then? |
| 11:41.23 | torrrr | I built a package, and when trying to rebuild it , it gives me an error "Patch config.patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)" |
| 11:41.24 | wols | *boot |
| 11:41.27 | bzed | rainabba_: you could probably replace the kernel in the acronis image... but seriously - why us acronis to backup linux stuff? you could use lvm snapshot and backup the snapshot while your guest is running happily |
| 11:42.15 | itchi | :-p |
| 11:42.26 | dustybin | what laptop is recommended for a debian etch install, Apple Macbook or a IBM Thinkpad ? |
| 11:42.33 | bzed | wols: not sure how they managed to do that. never tried it. all I know is that your xen guest need a xen kernel |
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| 11:42.48 | itchi | dustybin: The G6 ? |
| 11:42.53 | bzed | dustybin: it works on both, I'd always go with a thinkpad, though - except you want/need osx |
| 11:42.59 | crm_ | hi.. my aptitude doesnt look at the right mirror |
| 11:43.04 | crm_ | how to fix |
| 11:43.15 | dustybin | bzed: does wireless and hibernation work on both? |
| 11:43.15 | crm_ | please? =) |
| 11:43.17 | itchi | crm_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:43.24 | crm_ | ahh.. yes |
| 11:43.27 | crm_ | ta =) |
| 11:43.37 | liable | dustybin: go the thinkpad!! |
| 11:43.47 | bzed | dustybin: I think it works on the mac, but I'm sure it works on the thinkpad |
| 11:43.50 | hark | stinkpad! |
| 11:43.56 | liable | indeed |
| 11:43.58 | itchi | dell war |
| 11:44.00 | bzed | !slap hark |
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| 11:44.25 | dustybin | its a hard, hard decision deciding between them both |
| 11:44.26 | bzed | dustybin: want to know why I'd go with the thinkpad? |
| 11:44.31 | dustybin | why |
| 11:44.34 | hark | but yeah, go lenovo |
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| 11:45.15 | liable | because you dont want to be a mactard |
| 11:45.20 | dustybin | lol |
| 11:45.28 | bzed | dustybin: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-39298.html << because I can repair it on my own without any need to google for instructions from some guys who put their macbook into parts just to take photos for other people |
| 11:45.33 | dustybin | if i bought a macbook id also have to tell my parents im gay |
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| 11:45.46 | liable | heh |
| 11:46.02 | bzed | dustybin: and because you can order spare parts by FRU, and there's no need to go to the apple support and beg to order the right replacement |
| 11:46.04 | Chris_abyi | hey, I want to make a debian sarge i386 chroot on my amd64 sarge system. I just found tutorials on how-to make a sid chroot, so is this command correct to make a sarge chroot? debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /target/dir ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 11:46.04 | liable | thats sooo close to the truth :) |
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| 11:46.27 | dustybin | ok |
| 11:46.42 | itchi | bzed: heh, that good to know that link |
| 11:46.43 | Chris_abyi | I guess I already tried it on that way but unfortunately still received a 64bit system. Is there probbably also anyone who knows a tutorial for just making a debian sarge 32bit chroot? |
| 11:47.02 | Kevin` | apple computers are made to be looked at, not disassembled, apparently =p |
| 11:47.02 | liable | and stinkpads, generally, are very nice boxen |
| 11:47.02 | t0wner | help |
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| 11:47.11 | dustybin | stink? |
| 11:47.21 | itchi | dustybin: 'buerk' |
| 11:47.36 | t0wner | trying to get preseeding going but i can only get some things preseeded and nothing after the first reboot and initial base configure :( |
| 11:47.38 | lewis2 | on 64-bit etch, a program is looking for libstdc++.so.5, but only .6 exists, should I create a symbolic link, or install a different version of an existing package? |
| 11:47.40 | dustybin | stinkpad T60 or X ? |
| 11:47.56 | liable | depends on what size you want |
| 11:48.00 | bzed | t0wner: all stuff will be installed by the installer now |
| 11:48.14 | liable | i would like a x series but the no optical drive is teh suck |
| 11:48.16 | dustybin | a laptop with a 12.1" screen is tooooo small |
| 11:48.19 | t0wner | bzed: on etch? |
| 11:48.26 | dustybin | and glossy screens SUCK |
| 11:48.35 | dustybin | i hope stinkpads dont come with glossy screens |
| 11:48.37 | bzed | Chris_abyi: never tried that, sorry. |
| 11:48.39 | liable | no |
| 11:48.45 | Chris_abyi | thanks anyway. ;) |
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| 11:48.59 | t0wner | bzed: using a pxeboot and sarge netimage from the site to boot into the installer with the kernel option url/preseed=htpp://blah.cfg |
| 11:49.01 | bzed | dustybin: never seen a glossy thinkpad, but I don't know the latest models. the t43p is great, though |
| 11:49.12 | perlmonkey | itchi: testdisk: The following partition can't be recovered: The harddisk (18 GB / 17 GiB) seems too small! (< 34 GB / 32 GiB) |
| 11:49.19 | hark | !thinkpad |
| 11:49.20 | dpkg | well, thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 11:49.33 | itchi | perlmonkey: you have a answer on your trouble :-s |
| 11:49.38 | dimir | thinkpad roolz! |
| 11:49.41 | torrrr | how do I clean a source I just built? |
| 11:49.42 | itchi | s/a/an/ |
| 11:49.44 | perlmonkey | bzed: are you sure anyone is alive in that #storage channel |
| 11:49.51 | liable | torrrr: make clean |
| 11:49.59 | dustybin | the question i have to ask myself is, why would i need OS X on a laptop? |
| 11:50.02 | bzed | t0wner: well, I never used preseed, and I'd use FAI instead, but the installer is capable of installing packages, even tasksel is in the installer now, so you'd want to have a look into that |
| 11:50.15 | liable | dustybin: because your gay? :) |
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| 11:50.32 | Kevin` | dustybin why would you need ANY os on a laptop, just use it as a heater :) |
| 11:50.40 | torrrr | liable: I mean a package I just built |
| 11:50.52 | dustybin | liable: if i have OS X also on the laptop, i can reboot and use applications like Photoshop, QuarkXPress, Indesign, Traktor etc etc |
| 11:50.57 | perlmonkey | itchi: where are you from? |
| 11:50.59 | liable | torrrr: a deb? |
| 11:51.24 | torrrr | liable, it made a .deb |
| 11:51.24 | dustybin | with a Stinkpad, the only OS i can boot into to use those kind of applications is Windows, and there is no way in hell id do that |
| 11:51.35 | liable | torrrr: dh_make clean? |
| 11:51.37 | bzed | perlmonkey: well sometimes... ;) |
| 11:51.48 | bzed | perlmonkey: you don't want to use e2fsch on a disk though |
| 11:51.52 | torrrr | from /debian dir? |
| 11:51.53 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 11:51.55 | liable | dustybin: get a mac then.. |
| 11:51.56 | bzed | perlmonkey: that will definitely ruin it. |
| 11:52.06 | bzed | perlmonkey: did you EVER read how raid 5 works at all? |
| 11:52.07 | liable | !nmg |
| 11:52.08 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 11:52.11 | liable | torrrr: ^^^ |
| 11:52.14 | dustybin | if i did buy a stinkpad, the first thing id do is remove windows |
| 11:52.16 | perlmonkey | did you see? I tried to write the superblock back from a backup one |
| 11:52.35 | perlmonkey | bzed: of course, you nutter :P |
| 11:52.38 | bzed | dustybin: you could run photoshop in wine |
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| 11:53.03 | bzed | perlmonkey: you can NOT write a superblock back to a single device which was part of a raid |
| 11:53.09 | perlmonkey | i must admit tho it was a while ago |
| 11:53.10 | dustybin | bzed: yes i guess so but its not just photoshop |
| 11:53.23 | perlmonkey | bzed: ah |
| 11:53.43 | bzed | perlmonkey: and obviously you knwo NOTHING about raids, or you wouldn;t even try to do such things |
| 11:53.44 | liable | dustybin: you have made up your mind, go buy a mac.. |
| 11:54.03 | perlmonkey | bzed: well thats not entirely fair |
| 11:54.12 | dustybin | liable: people will think im gay! |
| 11:54.15 | liable | we know you want to be a iPerson |
| 11:54.18 | torrrr | liable: I just want to apply a patch |
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| 11:54.26 | perlmonkey | bzed: i obviously know a fair a bit else I wouldnt have a raid running would I |
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| 11:55.02 | wols | perlmonkey: lets just say any ubuntutard (sorry ubuntians) can follow a howto |
| 11:55.03 | dustybin | its either a Stinkpad running Windows + Debian or a Macbook running OS X + Debian, what would you choose? |
| 11:55.18 | bzed | perlmonkey: running a raid and knowing how the raid works are two totalyl different pairs of shoes. I could tell my uncle to setup a raid, and he knows nothgin about computers. he'd get his mac, plug the disks in and click on raid. |
| 11:55.24 | wols | it doesn't need any knowledge except the capability of reading and using google |
| 11:55.41 | perlmonkey | setting up a soft raid in my experience is no simple task |
| 11:55.46 | Kruser | can i use truecrypt with a software raid (when a disk gets offline, is the truecrypt disk still useable after the rebuild) ? |
| 11:55.46 | liable | but then again, i dont have pressing needs for photo or video editing shits |
| 11:55.49 | perlmonkey | even with a howto |
| 11:55.50 | wols | dustybin: depends on price and intended usage for the OSX or windows |
| 11:56.08 | bzed | dustybin: after i've seen 40 of 50 macbooks beeing shipped back because of several weird errors I'd wait for the enxt series at least. |
| 11:56.17 | bzed | dustybin: but I think I'd get a thinkpad again |
| 11:56.27 | t0wner | bzed: thanks mate, the only reason im using preseeding is i like the fact you can add multiple boot options into pxelinux.cfg which i can link to various preseed.cfg depending on what variant of amchine i need to install |
| 11:56.40 | liable | i have had my fair share of problems with my TP's though |
| 11:56.41 | wols | Kruser: yes. the restore stuff is done on the raid level below truecrypt |
| 11:56.44 | dustybin | i wonder when apple will release the next range of laptops |
| 11:56.54 | dustybin | could be for a while yet |
| 11:57.09 | wols | dustybin: macbook or macbookpro? |
| 11:57.12 | liable | dustybin: maybe you can get one to match your iPhone |
| 11:57.14 | dustybin | either |
| 11:57.18 | dustybin | lol |
| 11:57.21 | wols | dustybin: no. what you'd want |
| 11:57.32 | dustybin | id go for a macbook black |
| 11:57.59 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: how come you didn't manage to setup the softraid back? |
| 11:57.59 | bzed | t0wner: you can do that with FAI, too. have a look at the FAI configuring options in gosa |
| 11:58.14 | t0wner | bzed: ok ill check it out thanks again |
| 11:58.19 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: i haven't started it yet as I'm still retrieving data off it |
| 11:58.52 | liable | bzed: htf did you see that many fuxored macbooks? you in video editing or something? |
| 11:59.05 | bzed | t0wner: mainly you just boot a machine, it'll enter it's own data into an incoming place in ldap, and all you have to do is to tell gosa which profile to use for the machinem, and which extras you want to have installed, and it'll just start installing as soon as you click on install |
| 11:59.06 | perlmonkey | my raid partition is scrambled egg |
| 11:59.13 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: so you did recover the softraid volume setup? |
| 11:59.20 | bzed | liable: I'm working at the department of architecture at my university |
| 11:59.46 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: no, it wasnt possible to recover the volume, the partition is unmountable now |
| 11:59.55 | liable | bzed: ah, uni students, i guess macbooks arent beer proof? :) |
| 12:00.06 | bzed | liable: err, not students |
| 12:00.08 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: lost two disks off a raid5? |
| 12:00.16 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: there is a superblock read error, and it can't be restored |
| 12:00.17 | bzed | liable: a fwe though, and definitely no beer problems |
| 12:00.40 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: what happened was I tried to expand/grow the raid5 by adding 2 more disks |
| 12:00.43 | bzed | perlmonkey: if you fucking try to restore a superblock by writing to a single disk of your raidset you'll end with a definitely destroyed raid |
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| 12:01.09 | bzed | perlmonkey: that code is marked experimental for a good reason :( |
| 12:01.16 | perlmonkey | bzed: I got a backup before I tried that, i aint daft :P |
| 12:02.01 | perlmonkey | bzed: what puzzles me and what i still havent had answered by anyone is how a raid partition can have an ext2 fs |
| 12:02.06 | wols | just since you were trying it, it's hard to say perlmonkey :) |
| 12:02.14 | jelly-home | well, adding disks to a raid5 and making it move the parity bits around is kinda nontrivial |
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| 12:02.26 | wols | how do you know it's an ext2 fs? maybe it just has partition type 83 |
| 12:02.33 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: for sure, I've learned that the hard way unfortunately |
| 12:02.35 | bzed | perlmonkey: it doesn;t have an ext2 partition |
| 12:02.55 | perlmonkey | ok check this... |
| 12:02.56 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: what do you mean by " raid partition can have an ext2 fs"? You can have any ole fs on your block device |
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| 12:03.09 | dustybin | have u guys ever had the job of recovering data on a corrupted RAID array |
| 12:03.19 | sobersabre | hi, wierd NIS q. |
| 12:03.23 | bzed | perlmonkey: if you fsck it and e2fsck tell you that it found some data it jsut means that pieces of your data are on there, but every few bits it'll only find junk |
| 12:03.40 | sobersabre | one of my NIS clients changes NIS's passwd file, instead of NIS's shadow file. |
| 12:03.51 | sobersabre | does anybody know why and how to control ? |
| 12:03.57 | rainabba_ | bzed: About acronis, I'm not using it from Linux (yet). We're an MS shop but I use open-source for a handful of servers (router/firewall, iSCSI, SAMBA, and Virtualization) |
| 12:03.57 | bzed | dustybin: yes, on a 150000 EUR raid from EMC :| |
| 12:04.03 | sobersabre | ( the server is debian sarge, but the clients vary |
| 12:04.12 | itchi | perlmonkey: Sorry, did some stintthings in the stinkroom :-) |
| 12:04.13 | dustybin | bzed: jeeze |
| 12:04.16 | sobersabre | EMC sux |
| 12:04.25 | jelly-home | bzed: that's not a raid, that's a medium-range storage solution ;-) |
| 12:04.26 | itchi | s/stintthings/stinkthings/ |
| 12:04.31 | bzed | rainabba_: ah ok. we only use acronis to make disk images from some MS boxes |
| 12:04.34 | itchi | perlmonkey: From Belgium |
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| 12:04.50 | bzed | jelly-home: no, it's one big piece of SHIT |
| 12:05.00 | dustybin | what does stdout and stdin mean? |
| 12:05.14 | borizz | dustybin: its the default input and output of a program |
| 12:05.15 | wols | standard out, standard in |
| 12:05.20 | dustybin | ok |
| 12:05.22 | sobersabre | dustybin: stdin -> fd=0 |
| 12:05.23 | perlmonkey | itchi: hehe |
| 12:05.26 | rainabba_ | bzed: I use it primarily because of their Universal Restore add-on. With it I can move a Windows OS around different hardware and even from Physical to VM and back. |
| 12:05.31 | sobersabre | stdout -> fd=1 |
| 12:05.37 | sobersabre | stderr -> fd=2 |
| 12:05.43 | dustybin | i see |
| 12:05.53 | bzed | rainabba_: yeah, it works great for windows |
| 12:06.10 | bzed | rainabba_: do you use the linux iscsi target? is it stable? |
| 12:06.24 | sobersabre | these are default files. they get constant file descriptor numbers, so everybody can benefit from this convention... |
| 12:06.28 | jelly-home | dustybin: those are default files opened by a process. One is used to read input data from somewhere, and the other usually to write some results |
| 12:06.53 | sobersabre | can somebody refer to my NIS passwd change question ? |
| 12:06.59 | bzed | dustybin: there's also stderr :) |
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| 12:07.58 | borizz | i believe it's a C / Unix thing. |
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| 12:08.05 | dustybin | bzed am i right in thinking that stderr are output to >> log |
| 12:08.05 | borizz | but don't quote me on that |
| 12:08.19 | bzed | sobersabre: why do client's change passwords at all? why don't you push them from the master? well, I guess this client is a sarge box... you were able to select if it should use shadow or not somwehrer while installing, but I forgot where to change it |
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| 12:08.56 | bzed | sobersabre: and you're absolutely right, emc sucks. |
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| 12:10.16 | sobersabre | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stdin |
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| 12:11.18 | rainabba_ | bzed: I can't comment on it's stability because I haven't run production with it or really stress tested it, but I've played with it a bit and liked what I did see. Once I get this vm going, my next project is to extend some of this RAID5 array as an lv to my XP desktop for some mass storage. |
| 12:11.30 | sobersabre | bzed, a user should be able to change the passwd... don't you agree with this approach ? |
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| 12:13.00 | sobersabre | which RAID level should I use if I want to have a big volume out of several smaller disks ? |
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| 12:13.24 | sobersabre | sh1te I must run |
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| 12:13.47 | sobersabre | thanks, bzed, I'll look more closely at clients' settings |
| 12:13.50 | sobersabre | bye all |
| 12:13.57 | bzed | sobersabre: as far as I remember NIS.... |
| 12:14.03 | bzed | well, later then :P |
| 12:14.50 | bzed | am I right that on NIS you'd use yppasswd instead of passwd (or passwd would call yppasswd) and it'd change the password on the master? |
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| 12:16.37 | petemc | CelticSoul: theres obviously some part of your acls that allows people to relay |
| 12:16.45 | petemc | post them on a pastebin somewhere |
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| 12:17.42 | petemc | ffs |
| 12:17.47 | petemc | wrong channel.. |
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| 12:22.26 | bzed | something to laugh for you: http://zip.4chan.org/g/src/1174938344630.jpg |
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| 12:25.13 | oye | bzed: LOL |
| 12:25.31 | bzed | no, too much silicone :D |
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| 12:33.17 | oye | bzed: oh, but..who wants to live forever with a Sun anyway? (: |
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| 12:40.09 | jelly-home | um, I think Sun doesn't have anything much heavier than 4He |
| 12:41.10 | jelly-home | silicone is way above Sun's yellow dwarf league |
| 12:42.05 | borizz | Sun isn't a yellow dwarf, is it? |
| 12:42.19 | borizz | I thought Sun was a main sequence star :P |
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| 12:43.29 | jelly-home | I think it is both, type G = yellow dwarfs |
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| 12:44.37 | jelly-home | sorry, yellow dwarfs are a subset of type G starts |
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| 12:45.04 | bzed | wols spoke a total of 60734 words! |
| 12:45.04 | bzed | wols's faithful follower, bzed, didn't speak so much: 32915 words. |
| 12:45.07 | bzed | O_O\ |
| 12:45.18 | will | quit |
| 12:45.19 | borizz | jelly-home: you're probably right... i need to read more wikipedia :P |
| 12:45.24 | will | bye |
| 12:45.36 | baloo-work | Can rbldnsd be used like a regular nameserver or is it purely a specialized creature? |
| 12:45.39 | itchi | ahaaa, my qemu is fixd :-) |
| 12:45.52 | borizz | It's not itchi anymore? :P |
| 12:46.01 | itchi | nah :-p |
| 12:46.01 | borizz | Sorry, lame joke... |
| 12:46.10 | borizz | I'm bored out of my skull |
| 12:46.14 | itchi | borizz: no worry ;-) |
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| 12:46.48 | itchi | Just that the cpu spin the cpu near 90% :-s Had not that trouble before gggrrr |
| 12:47.15 | bzed | baloo-work: it's only for rbls |
| 12:47.31 | baloo-work | Doh |
| 12:47.40 | borizz | i've seen that when using very simple code like the grub screen... it doesn't properly wait (it just spins i think), so it eats CPU time like popcorn |
| 12:47.52 | bzed | baloo-work: it doesn't ontain that part in the name without any reason :P |
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| 12:48.27 | baloo-work | OK, what's the easiest way to grab [12.34.56.78] from an exim rejectlog (but not ([12.34.56.78])) and make it 78.56.34.12 IN A 127.0.0.2 |
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| 12:48.46 | jelly-home | baloo-work: regexps! :-) |
| 12:49.09 | baloo-work | Yes, yes, I gathered that much, I was looking more along the lines of practical examples. |
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| 12:49.48 | jelly-home | baloo-work: you need a service that'll do constant monitoring of a log, or something done periodically? |
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| 12:51.23 | baloo-work | jelly-home: Don't need a daemon, just something to call periodically that can generate the meat part of the zonefile when fed a pre-grepped exim4 rejectlog |
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| 12:51.49 | jelly-home | baloo-work: a simple shell, awk or perl script will do, then |
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| 12:53.20 | fengor | but if you decide to monitor the reject log constantly i'd recommend swatch. just write yourself an additional action |
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| 12:54.01 | jelly-home | fengor: is that a generic tailer appilication? |
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| 12:54.13 | fsniper | what software is this dpkg based on? |
| 12:54.27 | jelly-home | fengor: nm, I know how to apt-cache search |
| 12:54.29 | fengor | jelly-home: its a perl based log watcher |
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| 12:54.32 | Ronin | fsniper: you mean the bot in the channel? |
| 12:54.39 | fsniper | Ronin: yep |
| 12:54.45 | Ronin | fsniper: blootbot |
| 12:54.50 | fsniper | thanks |
| 12:54.56 | fengor | but i'm not sure if there's a deb for it |
| 12:55.03 | jelly-home | there is |
| 12:55.10 | fengor | ah ok :) |
| 12:55.36 | fengor | i mainly use it at work atm and work environment is mostly aix |
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| 12:56.50 | jelly-home | fengor: we call log watchers "tailers", because of the similarity with tail -f |
| 12:57.17 | fengor | ill try to remember jelly-home |
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| 12:58.15 | jelly-home | fengor: er, not sure if anyone else calls them this way. By "we" I mean here at work. |
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| 12:58.48 | ProN00b | what repo do i have to add to get svn ? |
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| 12:59.26 | fengor | ah ok |
| 12:59.31 | jelly-home | ProN00b: subversion is available in main repository |
| 12:59.43 | jelly-home | !info subversion sarge |
| 12:59.50 | dpkg | subversion: (advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 953 kB, Installed size: 2856 kB |
| 13:00.05 | ProN00b | i see |
| 13:00.10 | ProN00b | it wants me to use the full name to install |
| 13:00.42 | jelly-home | !tell ProN00b -about search |
| 13:01.19 | ProN00b | lulz |
| 13:01.22 | ProN00b | srry |
| 13:01.33 | jelly-home | ProN00b: something like "apt-cache search svn" will save you time |
| 13:01.46 | ProN00b | yeah, i kinda just asumed that it wasn't there |
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| 13:02.04 | jelly-home | yeah, like who uses svn anyway |
| 13:02.24 | ProN00b | hmm, does the sarge 2.6 kernel have any of the security features ? (non exec stack, stack protector in gcc, randomized memory locations) |
| 13:02.39 | VImtermute | oy |
| 13:04.08 | jelly-home | ProN00b: only what vanilla kernel provides. In other words no for "non exec stack" or "randomized memory locations" |
| 13:04.23 | ProN00b | yay |
| 13:04.35 | itchi | I use svn, so put your wanted comments here -> ..... <- :-p |
| 13:05.04 | baloo-work | jelly-home: I figured as much (about the shell script), I'm just not sure on how to pull it off since I'm only moderately adept at bash and at a complete loss with the other suggested alternatives. |
| 13:05.07 | jelly-home | oh my dear, is it a wannabe h@x0r |
| 13:05.27 | ProN00b | but sarge is kinda aweasome, i hope your next release will be as good |
| 13:05.40 | baloo-work | fengor: I might consider that down the road, but I'm a little leary on doing that until I can get the rejectlog output consistantly down to just what I want added. |
| 13:05.45 | jelly-home | baloo-work: I'd use sed to strip off unneeded stuff |
| 13:05.52 | ProN00b | show them kapitalist faggots what elitism means ! |
| 13:06.17 | jelly-home | ProN00b: capitalism is good. Go away. |
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| 13:06.28 | fengor | baloo-work: swatch uses regular expressions to decide if and how it should react to a line in a log |
| 13:06.45 | oye | did I read n00b and elitism in the same statement? (: |
| 13:06.50 | bzed | baloo-work: check logcheck on debian |
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| 13:07.00 | baloo-work | ProN00b: Capitalism isn't inheirently evil and is compatable with socialism. Just look at the open source movement or the entire country of Sweden if you need proof. |
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| 13:07.34 | ProN00b | how is open source kapitalistic, only a kapitalist can say that ! |
| 13:07.34 | jelly-home | effin swedes and their socialist ways |
| 13:07.45 | baloo-work | bzed: I already have logcheck. That's a different can of worms. |
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| 13:08.17 | petemc | sweden has a fairly shit drug policy, fwiw.. |
| 13:08.26 | baloo-work | ProN00b: Everyone controls the means of production and everyone can make money from it. |
| 13:08.53 | bzed | ProN00b: you probably want to have a look into the grsecurity patch and build your own kernel with it |
| 13:08.53 | ProN00b | baloo-work, and if kapitalism is anything it is inherently evil, but its evilness is not to be seen with the bare eye because of its beautiful face it shows you in times of wealth |
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| 13:09.24 | liable | *groan* |
| 13:09.29 | bzed | ProN00b: and the stack protection stuff will only build with gcc 4.2, whihc is still in experimental |
| 13:09.31 | jelly-home | ProN00b: please stick to the topic |
| 13:09.37 | borizz | ProN00b: are you copy-pasting stuff? |
| 13:09.41 | ProN00b | bzed, yeah, thats kinda cool |
| 13:09.45 | ProN00b | borizz, no, why ? |
| 13:09.49 | borizz | nevermind |
| 13:09.58 | baloo-work | ProN00b: I'm a Democratic Socialist, I know what you're trying to say. But you're confusing lassez-faire capitalism with capitalism as actually practiced. Please go study economics now. kthxbye. |
| 13:11.03 | bzed | baloo-work and ProN00b .... you could use a query for that |
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| 13:12.09 | itchi | ktwilight: he, are you the guy of Belgium? |
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| 13:13.04 | itchi | ktwilight: The guy who i have meet on FOSDEM too |
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| 13:13.08 | itchi | ktwilight: looks like you have the nick if my friend |
| 13:13.25 | msn | i am trying tostart slapd on startup. Gives me connection closed. if I start it form command line using slapd it works fine |
| 13:14.36 | itchi | Why say nickserver that a nick is private? /msg nickserv info foo_nick |
| 13:14.54 | jm|work | slapd; daemon responsible for slapping people |
| 13:15.06 | jm|work | slapd -d trout -l /var/run/slapd |
| 13:15.06 | borizz | jm|work: with trout? |
| 13:15.18 | jm|work | :) |
| 13:15.26 | jelly-home | jm|work: judging by the performance, it sounds about right |
| 13:16.07 | jetscreamer | /msg nickserv help info |
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| 13:16.44 | itchi | jetscreamer: Thanks ;-) |
| 13:16.55 | jetscreamer | no help though |
| 13:17.02 | itchi | yeah :-s |
| 13:17.14 | jetscreamer | you could try #freenode |
| 13:17.24 | itchi | But had not think to do the help feature on that too :-) |
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| 13:17.39 | itchi | jetscreamer: I gona check in my other log, gona be faster :-p |
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| 13:17.47 | eightpacks | is #freenode a channel for ops? |
| 13:18.04 | jetscreamer | no it redirects you to #freenode-social |
| 13:18.11 | jetscreamer | but you have to wait to be voiced |
| 13:18.16 | eightpacks | oh |
| 13:18.24 | jetscreamer | and i think you have to be registered but i forget |
| 13:18.40 | itchi | ktwilight: Man, that nick is owned by my friend, look in your info window. It should be noted! |
| 13:18.53 | jetscreamer | your friend can use /ghost |
| 13:19.19 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yeah, sure. Bah, i got a flash when i saw him with a .it hostmask haha |
| 13:19.27 | stew | eightpacks: "/stats p" should get you a list of on-duty freenode staff |
| 13:19.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 13:19.43 | jetscreamer | and you can /msg any staffer whenever |
| 13:19.46 | eightpacks | lol |
| 13:19.58 | itchi | ktwilight: but, be fair, use another nick please, it's owned |
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| 13:20.09 | jetscreamer | /who *.freenode works too i think.. or so |
| 13:20.38 | eightpacks | i dislike /msg, because that makes me like a msn dumb |
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| 13:20.49 | jetscreamer | /who *.freenode* |
| 13:21.12 | jetscreamer | no not htat one... there is one to use though |
| 13:21.20 | baloo-work | jelly-home: I think grep -v might be easier to use than sed for this particular job; what's gonna be tricky is getting the IP octets into d.c.b.a order. |
| 13:21.28 | jetscreamer | i forget... just don't have any problems! |
| 13:21.55 | bzed | baloo-work: use sed for that ;) |
| 13:22.06 | eightpacks | sed+awk? |
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| 13:22.13 | itchi | But my friend sleep now i think, he is a intensive worker |
| 13:22.15 | jelly-home | baloo-work: well, of course you're going to mix and match the tools. |
| 13:22.21 | eightpacks | awk +1 |
| 13:22.26 | itchi | s/a/an/ |
| 13:22.27 | eightpacks | awk > perl |
| 13:22.35 | jelly-home | baloo-work: paste an example line. |
| 13:22.55 | eightpacks | ... |
| 13:22.59 | baloo-work | 2007-03-26 20:56:40 H=0x573163b0.slnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk (localhost) [87.49.99.176] F=<talkcentresuk.net@zedfreemail.eu> rejected RCPT <gl17307@ursine.ca>: Unrouteable address |
| 13:23.05 | jelly-home | and perl is pretty much ubiquitous these days |
| 13:23.10 | eightpacks | awk is a tiny hammer |
| 13:23.23 | itchi | jelly-home: Take maybe a look to that O'Reilly book sed & awk |
| 13:23.38 | eightpacks | perl is a middle-size hammer |
| 13:23.47 | baloo-work | Sometimes there's cases where the HELO part will read ([some-fake-IP]) before the real ip in regular [] |
| 13:23.52 | jelly-home | itchi: I didn't say I wished to learn it, either :-) |
| 13:23.53 | eightpacks | the big hammer is... C |
| 13:23.58 | leonardo | hi, I've just installed logcheck under etch, then I added a couple of new log entries in logcheck.logfiles, but logcheck seems to ignore the new entries, any idea? |
| 13:24.06 | itchi | jelly-home: :-p |
| 13:24.17 | eightpacks | you can use hammers on any daily stuff |
| 13:24.29 | itchi | jelly-home: there's another nice one about awk btw :-p effective awk programming :-p |
| 13:24.31 | jelly-home | eightpacks: C for daily usage? Weird. |
| 13:24.39 | eightpacks | why not? |
| 13:24.50 | eightpacks | c is the god |
| 13:25.05 | jelly-home | for one-off jobs I muchly prefer scripts |
| 13:25.07 | eightpacks | c++ is the god of gods |
| 13:25.23 | jelly-home | c# has twice the number of pluses |
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| 13:25.32 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:25.41 | eightpacks | *sigh*, I forgot the shell script |
| 13:26.28 | SpAc | a question about apt. Is there a way to remove packages that were installed as dependencies when removing a selected package. Especially if those dependencies become redundant once the package is removed? |
| 13:26.36 | eightpacks | shell+sed+awk = a toolbox |
| 13:26.49 | jelly-home | python's nice, but Perl or awk are much more concise when munging text files |
| 13:27.06 | ofer0 | eightpacks, shell + sed + awk + C + C++ + whatever < Perl |
| 13:27.13 | eightpacks | O.o |
| 13:27.17 | eightpacks | hahaha |
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| 13:27.58 | jetscreamer | perl is your god |
| 13:28.01 | eightpacks | perl is too proud of itself |
| 13:28.15 | jetscreamer | !lart nonperlusers |
| 13:28.20 | itchi | jelly-home: yup, that's why we say, 'use the right tool, for the right job'. But that you already know :-) |
| 13:28.27 | eightpacks | it even uses its own way to install itself |
| 13:28.36 | eightpacks | I hate this guy |
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| 13:28.49 | jelly-home | perl -ne 'if (/[^(]\[(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\]/){print "$3.$2.$1.$0 IN A 127.0.0.2\n"}' |
| 13:28.57 | jelly-home | possibly |
| 13:29.09 | itchi | wtf, im a nonperluser :-) |
| 13:29.20 | eightpacks | perl = a mess of headache |
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| 13:29.21 | baloo-work | What's a non per luser? |
| 13:29.21 | jelly-home | me neither |
| 13:29.46 | itchi | baloo-work: One that not make use of the Perl |
| 13:29.49 | jelly-home | it's like non plus ultra, only different |
| 13:29.49 | jetscreamer | ahah |
| 13:30.05 | jetscreamer | it's when lusers dont get quotas |
| 13:30.07 | baloo-work | jelly-home++ |
| 13:30.20 | baloo-work | itchi: Oh. Non perl user. |
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| 13:30.30 | itchi | baloo-work: Bingo :-) |
| 13:30.31 | baloo-work | Or a Perl nonuser rather |
| 13:30.42 | jelly-home | baloo-work: your parser in not greedy enough |
| 13:31.17 | baloo-work | jelly-home: Looking good, but the output I'm getting is coming out like... |
| 13:31.21 | baloo-work | 128.88.138.-e IN A 127.0.0.2 |
| 13:31.34 | baloo-work | there should be a 220 where the -e is for example. |
| 13:31.45 | eightpacks | jelly-home: i doubt i can type in that without an error |
| 13:31.57 | jelly-home | baloo-work: then it's $4.$3.$2.$1 instead of $3.$2.$1.$0 |
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| 13:32.08 | jelly-home | eightpacks: copy/paste ftw |
| 13:32.21 | rtc | is there some deboostrap for etch? |
| 13:32.21 | eightpacks | even the copy&paste |
| 13:32.24 | baloo-work | Freaking awesome. |
| 13:32.24 | eightpacks | hahaha |
| 13:32.56 | itchi | rtc: What mean you? |
| 13:33.00 | dererk | rtc, ¿? |
| 13:33.07 | rtc | debootstrap: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
| 13:33.09 | petemc | baloo-work: out of interest, have you looked at eximstats? |
| 13:33.16 | jelly-home | baloo-work: now find out how it works ;-) |
| 13:33.20 | baloo-work | petemc: Yes, I'm using that to check accuracy. |
| 13:33.24 | baloo-work | jelly-home: Just did. |
| 13:33.31 | rtc | it contains no script for etch. |
| 13:33.52 | jelly-home | baloo-work: the [^(] bit is kinda interesting |
| 13:33.55 | dererk | rtc, You may use "sarge" and rename it's file |
| 13:34.02 | petemc | baloo-work: im reading the backlog here - you're creating your own rbl? |
| 13:34.08 | rtc | only sid, sarge, potato, woody |
| 13:34.10 | itchi | rtc: s/stable/etch/ |
| 13:34.11 | bzed | rtc: just use testing |
| 13:34.11 | dererk | rtc, in fact: ls -la /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 13:34.12 | dererk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-03-12 00:50 /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch -> sid |
| 13:34.20 | bzed | err sid then |
| 13:34.30 | rtc | derek: ok, will try. |
| 13:34.31 | bzed | and edit /etc/apt/sources.list to etch after strapping |
| 13:34.40 | itchi | oh no, s/etch/testing/ sorry |
| 13:34.40 | baloo-work | petemc: Have been for a long time, it's just been slow since I've been cranking by hand. |
| 13:34.43 | eightpacks | who are still using woody? |
| 13:34.58 | itchi | rtc: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/debootstrap |
| 13:34.58 | baloo-work | petemc: I just don't forsee having three or four hours free at work forever. |
| 13:34.59 | dererk | I do :\ |
| 13:35.03 | eightpacks | O.o |
| 13:35.15 | baloo-work | bl.ursine.ca is the DNSBL I maintain. |
| 13:35.16 | petemc | baloo-work: for internal use, or are you making it public? |
| 13:35.20 | baloo-work | Public. |
| 13:35.28 | petemc | you're a brave man... |
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| 13:35.42 | jelly-home | baloo-work: that'll be $37.50. :-D |
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| 13:36.29 | baloo-work | jelly-home: I put 150 quarters in the payphone, did you get it? |
| 13:36.42 | rtc | thanks, itchi |
| 13:37.02 | jelly-home | baloo-work: nope, overseas calls take a bit longer |
| 13:37.21 | baloo-work | BTW, if you want to use bl.ursine.ca and you expect to make more than ~3000 queries a day, run your own damn name server and do zone transfers. |
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| 13:37.59 | ktwilight | itchi, yes yes its me |
| 13:38.00 | eightpacks | oh |
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| 13:38.18 | itchi | ktwilight: What do you do there? |
| 13:38.29 | ktwilight | work |
| 13:38.34 | eightpacks | can it catch all spammers? |
| 13:38.36 | ktwilight | sprint :) |
| 13:38.42 | itchi | ktwilight: Fixed, or own business ? |
| 13:38.59 | itchi | ktwilight: Anyway; great news then :-) |
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| 13:39.44 | ktwilight | well, it sok :) own business |
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| 13:40.42 | jetscreamer | man cp'ing 40 gigs takes my box a while :/ |
| 13:40.53 | itchi | ktwilight: That's great, with the guy there of FOSDEM there? |
| 13:41.07 | itchi | ktwilight: I dunno his name :-p |
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| 13:41.23 | ktwilight | well, yes, one person is here from fosdem |
| 13:41.24 | ktwilight | its good |
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| 13:41.46 | jelly-home | baloo-work: you got spamtraps working? |
| 13:41.54 | itchi | ktwilight: hehe, cooool :-) |
| 13:41.57 | baloo-work | jelly-home: Yeah. |
| 13:42.05 | ktwilight | yup :) |
| 13:42.28 | DosingRat | Hello, please someone tell what's wrong with debian's package xdm, or how to fix this; I intalled xdm but it can't log-in, it says "cannot remove process ID file /var/run/xdm.pid: Permission denied" <-- from /var/log/xdm.log. Thank you. |
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| 13:42.51 | itchi | DosingRat: remove the pid file?? |
| 13:42.53 | azeem | DosingRat: how did you install it? |
| 13:42.59 | baloo-work | jelly-home: That one-liner really was the missing peice in writing a script to weed out all the unknown user and SPF check failures and throw them in a zonefile chunk. |
| 13:43.16 | DosingRat | I install xdm via apt-get install xdm |
| 13:43.27 | itchi | DosingRat: Is xdm not yet already running? |
| 13:43.28 | baloo-work | jelly-home: So really, any invalid user is an instant spamtrap that I don't have to clean out. |
| 13:43.30 | azeem | DosingRat: did you check whether an instance of xdm is already running? |
| 13:43.40 | DosingRat | no it is not running |
| 13:43.53 | azeem | how did you check? |
| 13:44.23 | jetscreamer | are you trying to start xdm as user? |
| 13:44.32 | DosingRat | I am the only user here, when the system boots up I try to log in, but xdm cycles, it won't let me into my WM |
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| 13:44.44 | jelly-home | baloo-work: here's sed: sed 's/^.*[^(]\[\([0-9][0-9]*\)\.\([0-9][0-9]*\)\.\([0-9][0-9]*\)\.\([0-9][0-9]*\)\].*$/\4.\3.\2.\1 IN A 127.0.0.2/' |
| 13:44.52 | jetscreamer | ah ah ah... i know and forgot that one... ahah |
| 13:44.57 | baloo-work | Perl's gettin 'er done. |
| 13:45.03 | baloo-work | Thanks tho |
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| 13:45.19 | jetscreamer | DosingRat: perms on .x* in ~ ? |
| 13:45.28 | azeem | DosingRat: then it's running already |
| 13:45.46 | DosingRat | well yeah, whenn it starts |
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| 13:45.54 | itchi | DosingRat: ps aux | grep xdm and look |
| 13:46.04 | azeem | DosingRat: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:46.11 | jetscreamer | he's saying it starts on boot i believe |
| 13:46.16 | DosingRat | I remove the xdm.pid file manually and tried to re-login, but it didn't help |
| 13:46.23 | jetscreamer | therefore of course it's running? |
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| 13:46.40 | azeem | DosingRat: you need to find out why X doesn't start |
| 13:46.45 | azeem | DosingRat: see /var/log/X*log |
| 13:47.01 | jetscreamer | DosingRat: does startx work? |
| 13:47.03 | itchi | DosingRat: First check with ps or so?? |
| 13:47.14 | DosingRat | startx works well |
| 13:47.24 | jetscreamer | rather did it work before you installed xdm |
| 13:47.38 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install xorg btw if you're using xorg |
| 13:47.42 | itchi | The pid file exists, so it running in the cyberspace |
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| 13:47.45 | DosingRat | xsession-errors says ".xsession permission denied" although permissions are -rw-rw-rw- |
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| 13:47.48 | Spot_Ns | Hi, please anyone can tell me if i Can convert a .ebuild to a .deb? |
| 13:48.06 | DosingRat | ok itchi |
| 13:48.07 | azeem | Spot_Ns: no, AFAIK |
| 13:48.19 | azeem | Spot_Ns: not automatically, anyway |
| 13:48.20 | jetscreamer | does .xsession need to be +x ? |
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| 13:48.26 | cydork | .ebuild is used by? |
| 13:48.30 | jetscreamer | no eh |
| 13:48.30 | azeem | gentoo |
| 13:48.38 | azeem | DosingRat: check /var/log/X*log |
| 13:48.56 | Spot_Ns | cydork: gentoo |
| 13:49.05 | cydork | ahh ok.. |
| 13:49.06 | azeem | DosingRat: also, do you get the xdm screen, and enter your user/password, or does X cycle right away? |
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| 13:49.39 | DosingRat | I get the xdm login screen, I enter my password, and then xdm cycles |
| 13:49.51 | Spot_Ns | cydor a have a problem compiling there's appear "Can't open config.status" |
| 13:50.16 | DosingRat | it dislays xdm screen again instead of letting me in |
| 13:50.16 | jetscreamer | ~/* |
| 13:50.17 | Spot_Ns | cydork: when i do "make" |
| 13:50.26 | cydork | Spot_Ns: wht are you trying to install? there are no debs available? |
| 13:50.36 | DosingRat | strange, in woody I didn't have such problem, this is sarge |
| 13:50.52 | azeem | DosingRat: try to chmod +x ~/.xsession |
| 13:50.54 | Spot_Ns | cydork: Gnome Bluetooth Remote Control |
| 13:50.57 | itchi | DosingRat: Maybe, for that permission issue, quick make a test user?? |
| 13:51.05 | DosingRat | ok |
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| 13:51.07 | jetscreamer | he did say it was NOT +x iirc |
| 13:51.16 | jetscreamer | really said rw- but whatever |
| 13:51.19 | Spot_Ns | cydork: i only find a .ebuild package |
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| 13:51.40 | DosingRat | I logged in |
| 13:51.45 | jetscreamer | and |
| 13:51.50 | itchi | DosingRat: As test user? |
| 13:51.54 | DosingRat | so it had to be executable, I didn't know that |
| 13:51.59 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 13:52.01 | itchi | ah ok |
| 13:52.05 | DosingRat | not a test user I did chmod +x ~/.xsession |
| 13:52.11 | DosingRat | how stupid I am |
| 13:52.36 | overlordz | can i control the mouse with the kayboard ??? |
| 13:52.36 | itchi | DosingRat: got it ;-), |
| 13:52.37 | DosingRat | thak you very much people |
| 13:52.37 | overlordz | keyboard* |
| 13:52.37 | Thms | is there any debian user which don't use his xp pro sp2 with updates and give his keys ? I need to flash my bios ! |
| 13:52.37 | Thms | :D |
| 13:52.40 | cydork | Spot_Ns: well it has a source. and doesn't seem that difficult to compile. :) |
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| 13:53.00 | jetscreamer | Thms: use a boot floppy or a boot flashdrive with freedos |
| 13:53.12 | baloo-work | Wow, what used to take me three hours now gets done in well under a second. |
| 13:53.15 | itchi | Thms: a win32 exe? |
| 13:53.16 | Thms | jetscreamer: I have no boot floppy |
| 13:53.17 | jetscreamer | Thms: all you need is dos unless you have one of those weird ones |
| 13:53.24 | jetscreamer | boot flash stick then |
| 13:53.30 | jetscreamer | boot live cd |
| 13:53.32 | Spot_Ns | cydork: I try a lot. i'm sure have all dependencies but doesn't work... |
| 13:53.35 | jetscreamer | windows live cd |
| 13:53.39 | jetscreamer | ubcd4win.com |
| 13:53.42 | Thms | there is a windows livecd ? |
| 13:53.44 | Thms | okay thanks |
| 13:53.50 | jetscreamer | bart's pe |
| 13:53.51 | borizz | BartPE |
| 13:53.53 | itchi | Thms: You need to build it |
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| 13:54.04 | borizz | hmm, too late :D |
| 13:54.05 | Thms | k itchi thanks |
| 13:54.06 | jetscreamer | yeah you have to build ubcd4win |
| 13:54.08 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 13:54.17 | jelly-home | but PE isn't true windows, is it |
| 13:54.28 | jetscreamer | it seems to be |
| 13:54.29 | cydork | Spot_Ns: what are the errors while compiling it? can you paste them to a pastebin! |
| 13:54.37 | jetscreamer | a crippled one, but functional |
| 13:54.43 | jelly-home | a real livecd would have working services and MSI installable software and all |
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| 13:54.56 | itchi | jelly-home: : kug, It is true crap windows(tmp) |
| 13:55.08 | Spot_Ns | cydork: i'm not at home now i'm at work and im behind windowz |
| 13:55.19 | itchi | tmp he, not tm |
| 13:55.30 | Spot_Ns | cydork: but appear "Can't open config.status" |
| 13:55.42 | jelly-home | I'd love to have a windows livecd with my commercial backup client, to get a machine restored from bare metal |
| 13:55.43 | azeem | Spot_Ns: did you run configure? |
| 13:56.04 | azeem | Spot_Ns: did you read INSTALL, if available? |
| 13:56.15 | Spot_Ns | azeem, yes after that apperas "Now Try 'make'" |
| 13:56.29 | azeem | Spot_Ns: did you run configure as root or something? |
| 13:56.33 | azeem | is there a config.status? |
| 13:56.41 | Spot_Ns | azeem: yes i read many times |
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| 13:57.05 | Spot_Ns | azeem: that's my problem the config.status is not generated. |
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| 13:57.40 | azeem | does it say it's creating config.status while you run configure? |
| 13:57.57 | Spot_Ns | azeem, no. |
| 13:58.05 | azeem | Spot_Ns: is there a config.logß |
| 13:58.06 | azeem | ? |
| 13:58.53 | Spot_Ns | azeem: im not at home now... |
| 13:59.16 | Spot_Ns | azeem: can you help me later? (sorry about my english) |
| 13:59.28 | azeem | maybe |
| 14:00.15 | cydork | Spot_Ns: hmm it just uses gnome-autogen |
| 14:00.25 | bzed | jelly-home: build yourself one |
| 14:00.42 | bzed | jelly-home: creating a cd with windows is not such a big problem |
| 14:00.44 | Spot_Ns | cydork: yes, I do that |
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| 14:01.27 | Spot_Ns | cydork: but i've the same error. |
| 14:02.06 | azeem | Spot_Ns: is your harddisk full, maybe? |
| 14:02.33 | cydork | Spot_Ns: i guess you can give us more details later. like config.log like azeem said. |
| 14:02.33 | Spot_Ns | azeem: No i've more than 20 gb free.. |
| 14:02.48 | Spot_Ns | cydork: ok |
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| 14:05.06 | Spot_Ns | cydork azeem: thank's im back when i'm at home |
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| 14:08.10 | melot | hello anyone here know how to make external modem to dial out? |
| 14:08.20 | Knight_Lord | Where does "whoami" gets its information? from libnss? |
| 14:08.26 | azeem | melot: is it recognized by Linux? |
| 14:08.29 | melot | yes |
| 14:08.37 | melot | it querried |
| 14:08.44 | azeem | melot: then look into wvdial or plain ppp or something |
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| 14:09.43 | melot | i did opend the congiv wvdial and used some stings like at&f1 |
| 14:09.49 | melot | still it doesnt dial |
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| 14:10.14 | azeem | melot: does it respond to something like ATZ? |
| 14:10.22 | azeem | sorry, I'm not really got at analog modems |
| 14:10.33 | ShADoW_LnX | cydork azeem: thank's im back when i'm at home and see in there's a config.log this is my registered nick |
| 14:10.38 | melot | okies ill use minicom right? |
| 14:10.58 | azeem | melot: sounds good |
| 14:12.17 | perlmonkey | seems my early optimism was premature |
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| 14:13.55 | cydork | ShADoW_LnX: paste it in a pastebin! |
| 14:14.33 | wols | ppp |
| 14:14.36 | ShADoW_LnX | cydork: ok |
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| 14:21.15 | tarzeau | how can i see the number of users in a channel without cycling it in irssi? |
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| 14:21.35 | tarzeau | ok /names |
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| 14:22.28 | perlmonkey | mdadm: /dev/sdc5 appears to contain an ext2fs file system |
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| 14:22.51 | baloo-work | tarzeau: Easy way would be to use Jabber instead and join debian%irc.freenode.net@irc.ursine.ca (modify as necessary your favorite Jabber to IRC transport). Most clients put who is in the channel in the righthand frame. |
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| 14:24.20 | xand | decent clients don't. |
| 14:24.27 | xand | they don't have such a pointless list ;) |
| 14:24.57 | fantomas1 | Hi. How to forward UDP traffic from LAN to WAN via Linux router? Is there a package which does this or there is a way to achieve this using Linux kernel? |
| 14:25.10 | xand | fantomas1: yes, use iptables |
| 14:25.18 | xand | !iptables |
| 14:25.19 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 14:25.38 | baloo-work | xand: Psi (http://www.psi-im.org/) is a decent client. IRC is dying anyway; at least Psi is forward compatible. |
| 14:26.10 | xand | irssi is the only decent one imo |
| 14:26.23 | cydork | xand: +1 |
| 14:26.29 | fantomas1 | xandL: my iptables rules are all acceping but UDP broadcasts don't get external interface. |
| 14:26.36 | fantomas1 | ops |
| 14:26.40 | baloo-work | irssi isn't bad but it's not particularly intuitive and doesn't play nicely if you join multiple channels and use a windowed environment. |
| 14:26.47 | fantomas1 | xand < |
| 14:27.20 | Ronin | baloo-work: odd, im on multiple channels on multiple networks on irssi and its fine |
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| 14:28.07 | baloo-work | Ronin: It's fully capable of that, sure, but go ahead. Try it right now. Put your channels in seperate windows. Try it. |
| 14:28.12 | fantomas1 | xand: (sorry, I missed keyword "broadcast" in my original question) |
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| 14:28.35 | Ronin | baloo-work: bit tough as im sshing into the box right now |
| 14:28.44 | Ronin | and i like how its set up anyhow :) |
| 14:28.48 | baloo-work | Heh. |
| 14:29.01 | fantomas1 | Sorry for reposting, but this is bugfixed version of my question: How to forward UDP broadcasts from LAN to WAN via Linux router? Is there a package which does this or there is a way to achieve this using Linux kernel? |
| 14:29.06 | baloo-work | ssh -C -Y is your friend. :o) |
| 14:29.08 | tarzeau | zsh: segmentation fault reportbug-ng |
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| 14:30.30 | Pew | does anyone know where to check the pc info on debian? like model number etc |
| 14:30.39 | tarzeau | Pew: lshw, hwinfo |
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| 14:30.59 | baloo-work | Jabber is nice because I can use one simple client to connect to everything and just use transports to connect to the obsolete protocols like MSN for work and IRC for asking questions. |
| 14:30.59 | fengor | baloo-work: where is the problem with irssi and windows? |
| 14:31.18 | baloo-work | fengor: You can't break channels out to different windows in a terminal. |
| 14:31.28 | Pew | ty tarzeau, ill try it out now |
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| 14:31.37 | fengor | i have every channel in a different window inside irssi |
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| 14:31.48 | baloo-work | fengor: Or take advantage of event triggers like making the window blink when your name is mentioned, etc. |
| 14:32.04 | fengor | baloo-work: aehm wrong you can do that |
| 14:32.05 | baloo-work | fengor: What irssi calls a window is more like a frame. |
| 14:32.33 | borizz | baloo-work: you can get irrsi to color a channel in the statusbar if your name is mentioned. i use it all the time |
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| 14:32.53 | Xenguy | that works for me by default |
| 14:32.55 | fengor | baloo-work: http://irssi.org/documentation/tips |
| 14:33.16 | borizz | Xenguy: yeah it does... try wlstat.pl from irrsi.org/scripts tho. its really nice |
| 14:33.22 | Xenguy | or maybe I did have to configure a highlight (?) |
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| 14:33.40 | Xenguy | borizz: tx for the tip |
| 14:33.41 | fengor | there is documented how to set it up so that it blinks in the status bar for windows jsut adapt to your preferred wm |
| 14:35.03 | HostilePenguin | large build up of american forces on the iranian border :( |
| 14:35.17 | borizz | HostilePenguin: related to the briton navy incident? |
| 14:35.30 | Xenguy | HostilePenguin: really? |
| 14:35.41 | HostilePenguin | read drudge |
| 14:35.44 | itchi | baloo-work: See this screenshot http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/irssi_1.jpg The roze is a nick highlighting |
| 14:35.46 | baloo-work | borizz: frames and status lines != managed window. |
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| 14:36.10 | baloo-work | What irssi calls a window is not a window. |
| 14:36.40 | itchi | baloo-work: What you say is the best client, is realy not |
| 14:36.43 | itchi | !irssi |
| 14:36.43 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 14:36.51 | borizz | baloo-work: thats true... but it's good enough for me. I dont need to see all my chans at the same time. hilighting when active is enough :) |
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| 14:37.16 | fericitu_ | what is the best method for crating virtual host : Name-based virtual hosts OR IP-based virtual hosts ??? |
| 14:37.25 | fengor | fericitu_: that depends |
| 14:37.29 | itchi | There's /lastlog and whatever script you may could write to extend your irssi too |
| 14:37.30 | tarzeau | itchi: damn you've got many screenshots |
| 14:37.32 | fengor | each one has their merits |
| 14:37.33 | simonrvn | fericitu_: depends |
| 14:37.39 | itchi | tarzeau: :-p |
| 14:37.56 | itchi | tarzeau: Nah, not so much, and i have lost the most nicest :-s the hdd had die, haha |
| 14:38.13 | itchi | tarzeau: And no, i had not made a backup of screenshots :-) |
| 14:39.04 | itchi | tarzeau: Ding, that do me think to make a backup of it, haha |
| 14:39.10 | fericitu_ | for la P III with 3 virtual host ...what is the best method ? |
| 14:39.11 | simonrvn | fericitu_: ip-based usually use for ssl, name-based for anything else. at least that's how i use them |
| 14:39.21 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 14:39.22 | fericitu_ | thx |
| 14:39.24 | borizz | itchi: backups rule. :) |
| 14:39.30 | simonrvn | has nothign to do withthe server machine itself ;) |
| 14:39.33 | fericitu_ | i want to use SSL too |
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| 14:39.48 | fericitu_ | superr .. thx |
| 14:39.51 | itchi | borizz: Bah, sure, just that i not make a backup of that 'folder' :-) |
| 14:40.29 | borizz | itchi: why not backup your entire homedir? (i keep all my stuff in my homedir and backup just that and /etc |
| 14:40.43 | baloo-work | itchi: OK, console clients implementing their own wannabe window system do have their place. It's called the 1980s. :o) |
| 14:40.52 | itchi | borizz: Nah, it's my webserver, i have a 'copy' of the data, just not that screenshot dir |
| 14:41.07 | tarzeau | itchi: you've been to fosdem007? |
| 14:41.09 | borizz | itchi: its not really lost then ;) |
| 14:41.11 | itchi | baloo-work: bah |
| 14:41.14 | itchi | tarzeau: Yes |
| 14:41.33 | borizz | baloo-work: you're on of those fancy X11 users, aren't you? |
| 14:41.40 | borizz | baloo-work: we can tell :P |
| 14:41.42 | fengor | baloo-work: actually its called the command lien not the 1980s |
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| 14:42.27 | fengor | why would iw ant to clutter my screen with channelwindows when i can have it neatly orderred inside my client? |
| 14:43.25 | tarzeau | fengor: the main reason i stopped using xchat (needs too much pixels) |
| 14:43.52 | itchi | tarzeau: heh, deja-vu |
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| 14:44.11 | fengor | ah well main reason for irssi for me was the ability to run inside screen and connect from virtually everywhere i can shh to my client ;p |
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| 14:44.22 | itchi | tarzeau: Same reason why i switched :-) |
| 14:44.39 | tarzeau | itchi: the reasons of fengor were also a major plus |
| 14:44.49 | borizz | fengor: thats my reason too |
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| 14:45.09 | HostilePenguin | microsoft is in trouble when I can use linux |
| 14:45.11 | tarzeau | itchi: have you tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 14:45.20 | itchi | tarzeau: I dunno about it |
| 14:45.30 | tarzeau | itchi: it's a command line music file player |
| 14:45.38 | Petto | hola de donde sos??? |
| 14:45.40 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:45.41 | itchi | tarzeau: oh, like pytone then? |
| 14:45.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:45.46 | fengor | why that HostilePenguin ? i doubt yet another lost customer will scratch them |
| 14:45.48 | kalila | how does one get the type of memory needed for a server? |
| 14:45.56 | kalila | from command line |
| 14:46.00 | itchi | Gona look |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 14:46.01 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 14:46.13 | Petto | holaaaaaa me habla alguinnnç |
| 14:46.13 | abrotman | kalila: or get the mobo model and ask the manuf |
| 14:46.17 | tarzeau | itchi: more like http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp2.png and http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp1.png |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | Petto: #debian-es |
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| 14:46.24 | Alumin | what's the best way to take the contents of the install ISOs (I have all 14 of them, plus the 3 r5 update ones) and make them into a local directory that I can use directly via APT without having to actually burn the CDs and jugggle them? |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 14:46.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 14:46.34 | kalila | abrotman: I have no idea about the server, donated stuff years ago, and it;s an ocean away |
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| 14:46.41 | HostilePenguin | dpkg is on fire |
| 14:46.45 | abrotman | kalila: dmidecode .. maybe |
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| 14:47.02 | SnO | hello @all |
| 14:47.06 | tarzeau | Alumin: copy all the deb files and index them, try http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/update |
| 14:47.27 | Alumin | I guess what I'd ideally like is to burn just binary-1, install the base system with that, then make an apt source of type "file" using all 17 CDs' worth to do subsequent package installs |
| 14:47.30 | HostilePenguin | i tried sauerbrauten last night i got exactly 0 fps |
| 14:47.44 | tarzeau | HostilePenguin: which video driver? |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | Alumin: then use the netinst |
| 14:48.14 | itchi | tarzeau: Ow, that looks weird :-p |
| 14:48.18 | HostilePenguin | not flgrx |
| 14:48.23 | Alumin | abrotman: why would I want to re-download all the packages when I already have them? |
| 14:48.28 | tarzeau | itchi: the player? it's fantastic! |
| 14:48.59 | HostilePenguin | just the one out of the box |
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| 14:49.41 | itchi | tarzeau: Wait wait, i'm installing it, just closing first all these windows here :-p |
| 14:49.41 | umpc | can somebody help me with my touchscreen? it works but does not get synced with the stylus |
| 14:49.52 | perlmonkey | itchi: where are you from |
| 14:49.56 | itchi | I should need to pay attention :-p |
| 14:50.04 | itchi | perlmonkey: Still from Belgium |
| 14:50.05 | raphi | Can somebody tell me, what NIC actually works very fast (gbit) in the debian? I use an R8169, which uses 100% Cpu and I got 3.5 mb per ftp.. |
| 14:50.14 | perlmonkey | itchi: tres bien |
| 14:50.20 | itchi | perlmonkey: I not have move sinds last night |
| 14:50.29 | itchi | perlmonkey: oui oui, je vais tres bien :-p |
| 14:50.33 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 14:50.42 | tarzeau | raphi: realtek? i can make 8mb with a 100mbit card... |
| 14:51.15 | raphi | tarzeau: i got an 500mhz amd cpu... |
| 14:51.23 | HostilePenguin | glxgears works good glxinfo shows direct rendering working i dont really care though it was mostly so i could say you can play games on linux thats the one every one gets me on every time they say you cant do this i prove to them you can but games got me |
| 14:51.36 | tarzeau | raphi: the harddisk could be slow? |
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| 14:52.04 | raphi | tarzeau: no, this i think bottlenek is the cpu. |
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| 14:52.49 | rtc | Which kernel package do I need to install to run etch as a XEN guest via pygrub? |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | Alumin: okay .. then just use the first |
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| 14:53.03 | rtc | I mean which kernel package to install within the guest etch system |
| 14:53.09 | raphi | tarzeu: ... i think the bottlenek is the cpu and not the harddisk, i get on an 800 mhz machine some MB's more (over ftp) |
| 14:53.35 | tarzeau | raphi: i doubt |
| 14:53.35 | Alumin | I'm looking at the script tarzeau suggested; will a "file" source work with just the Packages.(gz|bz2) files? |
| 14:53.56 | tarzeau | Alumin: dunno, i've always used http or ftp... you can run a local webserver |
| 14:54.26 | itchi | tarzeau: Heh, that's weird :-) |
| 14:54.26 | Alumin | I've never done a repository before...although I guess why would you need more than a list of what's in the directory |
| 14:54.26 | itchi | tarzeau: I mean nice asci effects :-) |
| 14:54.52 | cydork | Alumin: did you check /msg dpkg own repo |
| 14:55.12 | Alumin | cydork: no, reading that now |
| 14:55.20 | HostilePenguin | ftp is reliant on cpu power? |
| 14:55.44 | Kobaz | HostilePenguin: for high speed transfers, yeap |
| 14:55.47 | itchi | kinda artist, to make such stuff |
| 14:56.02 | Alumin | cydork: cool, that's what this script does (except for editing sources.list) |
| 14:56.21 | tarzeau | HostilePenguin: not really, unless you put it through ssl/ssh |
| 14:56.45 | tarzeau | Kobaz: how does high speed transfers need cpu? |
| 14:56.48 | Kobaz | tarzeau: try sending a file at a half a gigabit, tell me it's not cpu intensive |
| 14:57.08 | fengor | Kobaz: the limitting factor is rather the nic i'd say |
| 14:57.10 | tarzeau | Kobaz: really it's not. how do you measure the cpu use? |
| 14:57.20 | HostilePenguin | its just like file sharing nfs isnt cpu intensive is it? |
| 14:57.21 | tarzeau | Kobaz: it's really the bus and the nic, and the harddisk |
| 14:57.27 | tarzeau | HostilePenguin: yes |
| 14:57.41 | Kobaz | well you can measure it by not having much else running |
| 14:57.49 | Kobaz | and watch the cpu spike when you transfer something |
| 14:57.49 | itchi | Kobaz: cheap nic use your cpu power |
| 14:58.02 | tarzeau | Kobaz: you mean the load average? |
| 14:58.05 | itchi | nics* |
| 14:58.10 | Kobaz | no, cpu usage, heh |
| 14:58.21 | tarzeau | Kobaz: but how do you measure your cpu usage? |
| 14:58.51 | Kobaz | well you would have to test it on something other than a *nix platform, since it calculates cpu usage based on processes |
| 14:58.59 | itchi | Kobaz: Buy a good nic |
| 14:59.05 | Kobaz | like windows, fast transfers kill windows boxes |
| 14:59.11 | raphi | kobaz: I get through an SSH connection 1.5MB (100% cpu) and with ftp 3.5 (100%usage). So i think it uses the cpu... |
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| 14:59.24 | Kobaz | well yeah ssh uses the cpu since it encrypts everything |
| 14:59.34 | raphi | kobaz: tell me what a good NIC is :-D |
| 14:59.49 | Kobaz | heh, no idea, i never got into the market for "good" ones |
| 15:00.05 | raphi | kobaz: ssh uses of course much cpu, so i tried the ftp way, but its not much better... |
| 15:00.11 | Kobaz | there are high end network cards that have the tcp/ip encapsulation layer onboard, so you can send at a full gigabit |
| 15:00.11 | itchi | raphi: The cheapest?? |
| 15:00.44 | Roey | raphi: hmm, encryptian is not parallelizable, is it. |
| 15:00.56 | HostilePenguin | i just tranferred a big file across nfs it dosent use any cpu |
| 15:00.57 | raphi | itchi: someone with an own 'cpu' |
| 15:01.05 | fengor | Kobaz: i admire your deductional skill how you observe cpu usage on a *nix box watchig a windoze box crash |
| 15:01.06 | Kobaz | HostilePenguin: the file size doesn't matter |
| 15:01.13 | itchi | raphi: sure |
| 15:01.14 | fengor | like those things arent totally unrelated |
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| 15:01.20 | Kobaz | fengor: haha, that wasn't exactly what i meant |
| 15:01.27 | HostilePenguin | i just wanted it to run for a second so i could watch the cpu load |
| 15:01.42 | Kobaz | it depends on the transfer speed |
| 15:01.59 | Alumin | tarzeau: can you explain the signficance of this line? |
| 15:02.04 | Kobaz | with 100mbit transfers you will rarely affect cpu usage unless you're using like a 100mhz box |
| 15:02.08 | perlmonkey | EXT2-fs error (device md0): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1 not in group (block 0)! EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted! |
| 15:02.16 | Alumin | rm `grep ' ignored data from ' Packages.scan.log | awk '{print $(NF-1)}'` |
| 15:02.17 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: that's not so good |
| 15:02.33 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: you do have a backup... right |
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| 15:02.47 | perlmonkey | yeah |
| 15:02.53 | perlmonkey | but |
| 15:02.54 | Kobaz | thats good |
| 15:03.01 | perlmonkey | its not a good backup |
| 15:03.04 | Kobaz | so run fsck and try and fix it up, and if all else fails, restore |
| 15:03.07 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 15:03.38 | perlmonkey | how do you fix a missing bitmap |
| 15:03.48 | Kobaz | e2fsck /dev/md0 |
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| 15:04.14 | dromer | hi all, I'm running motion on my server, but I can't kill the process ($ kill [pid] or $ killall motion) even when sudo (it's running as my user so shouldn't be necessary) |
| 15:04.19 | perlmonkey | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/md0 |
| 15:04.20 | tarzeau | Alumin: it's not relevant to you |
| 15:04.32 | dromer | I could kill it before just fine |
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| 15:04.58 | Alumin | tarzeau: so I can just comment that line out? |
| 15:05.23 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: try an alternate superblock... what's your block size? |
| 15:05.35 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: I tried all of them :-/ block size is 4096 |
| 15:05.43 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: it's probably 4k or 8k or something... try -b 32768 |
| 15:05.51 | Kobaz | that's for 4k |
| 15:05.58 | Alumin | dromer: perhaps you need to pass a different signal than the default SIGTERM to get it to stop? |
| 15:06.01 | perlmonkey | thanks, I tried 32768 first |
| 15:06.16 | Kobaz | well |
| 15:06.26 | Alumin | dromer: I don't know anything about "motion" in particular, so can't really help you there |
| 15:06.30 | dromer | Alumin: not that I know of, $ killall motion worked fine before |
| 15:06.30 | sung_ | shut up frobaz ;) |
| 15:06.36 | Kobaz | grab yourself a blank harddrive, preferably the same size or bigger as the problematic one |
| 15:06.36 | Kobaz | haha |
| 15:06.47 | dromer | Alumin: I'd like another waf te forcekill the pid |
| 15:06.52 | Kobaz | dd if=source drive of=destination drive |
| 15:06.57 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: i did that and used ddrescue to make a copy |
| 15:07.00 | Alumin | but perhaps "kill -INT <pid>" or "kill -QUIT <pid>" |
| 15:07.01 | Kobaz | okay good |
| 15:07.06 | Kobaz | go grab testdisk |
| 15:07.25 | perlmonkey | tried testdisk, and it wouldnt read the raid partition :-/ |
| 15:07.25 | dromer | Alumin: got it: kill -9 [pid] |
| 15:07.37 | Alumin | if those don't work, "kill -KILL <pid>" will definitely work, but may (and by "may" I mean "will") cause data not to be cleanly written |
| 15:07.46 | Kobaz | what raid type is in |
| 15:07.49 | fericitu_ | it is necesary Quota for a web server ?? why ? |
| 15:07.49 | Kobaz | s/in/it |
| 15:08.01 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: raid5 |
| 15:08.16 | Kobaz | does the array assemble correctly? |
| 15:08.43 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: i tried to use photorec to extract data and salvage something, but most of the files extracted were incomplete and all jumbled up :-/ |
| 15:09.00 | bzed | Kobaz: it can't because he tried to grow it and it failed somewhere in the middle |
| 15:09.07 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: it appears to yes, and it starts ok too, but can't be mounted of course without superblock |
| 15:09.26 | Kobaz | growing raid5, hmm... scary |
| 15:09.27 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: I tried creating the raid again, but that didn't help |
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| 15:09.46 | Kobaz | yeah the array is just the mapping of what drives are where |
| 15:09.47 | bzed | which means, that parts of the raid using n+1 disk and the rest of the raid n disks |
| 15:10.14 | bzed | because growing == rewriting all parity data |
| 15:10.16 | Kobaz | isn't the grow operation designed to use a backup disk to avoid this problem and be able to just resume |
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| 15:10.29 | Kobaz | i've never done a grow, but that's how i think it works |
| 15:10.42 | bzed | no clue, all I know is that it's marked as experimental |
| 15:10.42 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: it is indeed, but i didnt do it properly and my kernel was out of date anyway |
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| 15:11.47 | perlmonkey | it even says in the man page for Grow feature of raid, on raid5 it can and mostly will mess up the raid, so a --file-backup is needed |
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| 15:11.51 | bzed | perlmonkey: just a suggestion for you, as you're using scsi stuff: go to ebay, get a HP 5304 scsi HW raid controller. they're pretty cheap. probably a smaller model would be enough for you, as you're not using 56 disks on one controller like we do |
| 15:11.57 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 15:12.01 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: did you use one? |
| 15:12.24 | perlmonkey | Kobaz: no :( |
| 15:12.33 | Kobaz | sadly, i think you are hosed |
| 15:12.38 | perlmonkey | bugger |
| 15:12.50 | bzed | perlmonkey: there's only one thing, you can't manage them from within linux, but there's a CD to boot from to manage them. but they jsut work well, even with 72GB drives, which are not supported officially |
| 15:12.51 | Kobaz | that would have been the one thing that would have saved the day |
| 15:13.06 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 15:13.17 | bzed | perlmonkey: unfortunately I have to support Kobaz in that opinion |
| 15:13.21 | perlmonkey | too bad i didnt read the man page more carefully and/or get proper advice from here |
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| 15:14.08 | Kobaz | there's no real good way to tell where the operation left off |
| 15:14.15 | perlmonkey | without other raids expanding/adding more drives is trival, but not so with raid5 just my luck |
| 15:14.15 | Kobaz | without some serious forensics |
| 15:14.19 | perlmonkey | *with |
| 15:14.55 | perlmonkey | i will pay anyone $100 who can restore the data :P |
| 15:15.02 | perlmonkey | anyone up for the challenge |
| 15:15.30 | Kobaz | data recovery companies usually charge upwards of 10k for stuff like this |
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| 15:15.55 | perlmonkey | for sure |
| 15:16.15 | Kobaz | if you can spare the extra costs... lvm over raid1 works well |
| 15:16.29 | Kobaz | infinely and safely expandable and good redundancy |
| 15:16.32 | perlmonkey | but if someone knows a trick or technique for getting either the raid restored, or at least some of my data back intact i will pay $100 |
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| 15:16.47 | itchi | perlmonkey: Ask it again on the mailing list, with your proposal ;-) |
| 15:16.53 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 15:16.58 | Kobaz | yeah, go hit the raid mailing list |
| 15:17.07 | perlmonkey | i tried but no reply |
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| 15:17.45 | itchi | perlmonkey: The debian mailing? |
| 15:17.53 | Kobaz | anyways umm |
| 15:17.56 | perlmonkey | oh no, the linux-raid one |
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| 15:18.12 | Kobaz | bzed: Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19) |
| 15:18.25 | Kobaz | bzed: do you know if tun needs to be a module? |
| 15:18.32 | t0wner | anyone got FAI working? Having trouble getting nfsroot moutning :( |
| 15:18.35 | itchi | perlmonkey: Try the debian one maybe, we never know, there's good people, you know ;-) |
| 15:18.37 | Kobaz | bzed: i'm about to try that now, but just wondering if you knew offhand |
| 15:18.42 | bzed | Kobaz: no it doesn;t need to be a module |
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| 15:18.52 | perlmonkey | itchi: d'accord, merci |
| 15:18.59 | t0wner | ah bzed is still helping and loitering with intent to supply! |
| 15:19.00 | Kobaz | i know if you want more than one tunnel device, you need to make it a module |
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| 15:19.28 | Kobaz | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 200 2007-03-28 09:08 /dev/net/tun |
| 15:19.34 | bzed | t0wner: there's a good howto on the FAI homepage as far as I remember |
| 15:19.37 | Kobaz | kyle {~} kobaz$ dmesg | grep tun |
| 15:19.37 | Kobaz | IPv4 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
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| 15:20.31 | t0wner | bzed: from what ive found on the doc. its not great the "good how-to" is currently illuding me" |
| 15:20.49 | t0wner | bzed: there is one but its very patchy |
| 15:21.06 | t0wner | fai-guide.pdf |
| 15:21.09 | bzed | Kobaz: uh? modprobing the module is enough |
| 15:21.22 | bzed | Kobaz: afaik it can be compiled into the kernel without any problems |
| 15:21.26 | MANITOU | do i need to dovnload both dvd-s debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-31r5-i386-binary-2.iso |
| 15:21.36 | Kobaz | bzed: i switched to trying openvpn... heh |
| 15:21.44 | stew | openvpn rules |
| 15:21.55 | Kobaz | i'm sure it does... if only i can get the bugger working |
| 15:22.04 | Kobaz | it looks much nicer than kame |
| 15:22.08 | stew | in fact i just setup 2 new vpns today |
| 15:22.20 | Kobaz | and the documentation is nicer than kame |
| 15:22.53 | MANITOU | do i need to dovnload both dvd-s debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-31r5-i386-binary-2.iso ? |
| 15:22.57 | Kobaz | so i have the device, i have the driver.. lemme bump up debugging |
| 15:23.04 | stew | heh, i don't think i've even bothered looking at the documentation, you just have to distribute ssl certs and edit the default configs from $doc/examples |
| 15:23.20 | itchi | MANITOU: no |
| 15:23.25 | bzed | MANITOU: if you ahve a network, you just download the netinstall |
| 15:23.34 | bzed | MANITOU: and get etch from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:23.38 | itchi | MANITOU: Depend of how you want to install; mostly the netinstall cd are more as enought |
| 15:23.47 | itchi | ow |
| 15:23.57 | itchi | fast guys ;-) let me type :-p |
| 15:24.06 | MANITOU | wireless net card ! wont work ! i tryed it ! |
| 15:24.17 | Kobaz | stew: it can't open /dev/net/tun and then drops down to the old style tun setup and tries to read Note: Attempting fallback to kernel 2.2 TUN/TAP interface |
| 15:24.18 | itchi | MANITOU: man |
| 15:24.22 | bzed | Kobaz: are you trying the stuff as root? |
| 15:24.25 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 15:24.28 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 15:24.32 | Kobaz | er wrong paste |
| 15:24.38 | bzed | Kobaz: hmm. does /dev/nbet/tun exist? |
| 15:24.38 | Kobaz | it tries to read /dev/tunXX |
| 15:24.40 | stew | Kobaz: try a debian kernel :) |
| 15:24.41 | Kobaz | it does |
| 15:24.42 | bzed | MANITOU: which one? |
| 15:24.44 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 15:24.55 | itchi | MANITOU: Avoid that for the first time, it's easier to use a wired network. That avoid some driver troubles. Sorry for the quick enter |
| 15:24.58 | Kobaz | stew: the driver is in the kernel nicely |
| 15:25.39 | itchi | Time to clean the keyboard, to fat :-p |
| 15:25.40 | MANITOU | i know ! i have not eth ! on my lap-top ! :( |
| 15:25.45 | Kobaz | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 200 2007-03-28 09:08 /dev/net/tun |
| 15:25.46 | bzed | Kobaz: I remember that I run in this problem one... and the only problem was that it tried to use /dev/tun and talked about /dev/net/tun, but I doubt that's your problem now |
| 15:25.48 | sineer | Hi! Anyone know if there is a build-in X screen capture command that comes with Xorg ? |
| 15:25.51 | Kevin` | MANITOU what wireless chipset do you have? |
| 15:25.55 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.59 | MANITOU | atheros |
| 15:26.07 | Kobaz | lemme try something |
| 15:26.18 | sineer | If not, what would be the most light-weight X screen capture program I could install? |
| 15:26.19 | Kevin` | MANITOU are you using the daily installer snapshots? |
| 15:26.26 | Alumin | sineer: probably import |
| 15:26.49 | bzed | MANITOU: that works well after installing. install it with a cable, add the madwifi-source package and build it. probably ask here how to build the module with modulkes-assistant |
| 15:26.49 | itchi | heh, how can i desactivate my keybaord? The time i clean it |
| 15:26.54 | stew | Kobaz: 'lsmod | grep tun' for me is tun,xfrm4_tunnel,tunnel4 if that helps |
| 15:27.15 | sineer | Alumin, that's a package called 'import' ? |
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| 15:27.23 | Alumin | uh |
| 15:27.24 | MANITOU | Kevin`: thx i will try ! |
| 15:27.26 | Kobaz | stew: thanks |
| 15:27.31 | perlmonkey | itchi: why not just unplug it? |
| 15:27.34 | bzed | itchi: on good mainboards you just plug it out and in again :P |
| 15:27.34 | sineer | Alumin, got the answer, its in imagemagick.. thanks ! |
| 15:27.37 | Alumin | I forget |
| 15:27.39 | Alumin | :) |
| 15:27.46 | bzed | itchi: and on a thinkpad, you power it down and remove it :P |
| 15:27.47 | itchi | perlmonkey: Cause it's on the laptop :-s |
| 15:27.51 | Alumin | yeah that sounds right |
| 15:27.52 | perlmonkey | oh i see |
| 15:27.55 | Kevin` | MANITOU i'm not sure if it has the atheros driver specifically, but it has a much larger chance of working then the old sarge cds |
| 15:27.59 | bzed | itchi: and to clean it while it's running |
| 15:28.06 | bzed | itchi: ctrl+alt+f1 :P |
| 15:28.16 | bzed | although I managed to kill login once |
| 15:28.34 | Alumin | sineer: you would have needed imagemagick's "convert" program to convert the output of import anyway |
| 15:28.34 | perlmonkey | I have a mini vacuum cleaner for keyboards, plugs into usb port |
| 15:28.50 | Alumin | since it saves in XBM format and whatever you want the screenshot for probably won't use that |
| 15:28.53 | itchi | bah, gona again push it to tomorrow then hehe |
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| 15:31.08 | ShaneAu | hi everyone... I need some iptables assistance. |
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| 15:32.02 | MANITOU | where i can find good How To for debian install. ? |
| 15:32.08 | rahul | www.debian.org |
| 15:32.11 | rahul | seriously. |
| 15:32.11 | perlmonkey | debian.org |
| 15:32.31 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:32.44 | rahul | humanity depresses me |
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| 15:32.53 | itchi | ShaneAu: What about #iptables ? |
| 15:33.18 | ShaneAu | I need to be able to have my gateway redirect LAN packets requested on port 80 only for a certain host to port 85 on that same host externally. |
| 15:33.18 | fengor | rahul: non ex traversum sed deorsum ;p |
| 15:33.36 | ShaneAu | I'll try there if no-one can be of assistance here. Thanks :) |
| 15:34.11 | Kobaz | allrightey |
| 15:34.24 | Kobaz | i made the /dev/tun0 device but that didn't make it happy either... no such device or address |
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| 15:34.34 | Kobaz | i'll just try making it all modules |
| 15:34.42 | itchi | ShaneAu: Go directly there, you waste a bit of time :-p |
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| 15:34.50 | Kobaz | which shouldn't matter at all, but it's what all the howtos say |
| 15:34.52 | cydork | rahul: humanity exists?? :-o |
| 15:35.02 | rahul | fengor: heh, yeah |
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| 15:35.10 | rahul | !penixstrike cydork |
| 15:35.10 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cydork to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:35.14 | rahul | I killed humanity. |
| 15:35.27 | cydork | heh |
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| 15:35.49 | rahul | 6? |
| 15:35.52 | perlmonkey | mm |
| 15:35.53 | rahul | cool |
| 15:36.10 | fengor | ShaneAu: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 15:36.14 | perlmonkey | i have 5 x 18.2GB |
| 15:36.15 | rahul | perlmonkey: which controller? |
| 15:36.24 | perlmonkey | mdadm |
| 15:36.28 | rahul | :O |
| 15:36.35 | rahul | they support raid 6 already? |
| 15:36.38 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 15:36.41 | rahul | I guess the code isn't difficult :) |
| 15:36.45 | perlmonkey | :-) |
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| 15:37.05 | fengor | or man iptables ;p |
| 15:37.06 | itchi | ShaneAu: Who can help you? us not yet know your trouble too :-) |
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| 15:37.10 | rahul | although doing that in software sounds expensive |
| 15:37.12 | fengor | im 99% sure its in there |
| 15:37.22 | perlmonkey | rahul: why |
| 15:37.26 | CrippsFX | I know that dpkg -l provides information for a specified package, but is there a command that will tell me what package a given file is in? |
| 15:37.30 | itchi | ShaneAu: Should be more specific :-s |
| 15:37.39 | rahul | perlmonkey: you're doing two parities |
| 15:37.45 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:38.15 | itchi | CrippsFX: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:38.19 | perlmonkey | raid5 is fault tolerant |
| 15:38.33 | CrippsFX | itchi, thanks. I'll aks dpkg then ;) |
| 15:38.40 | perlmonkey | and fast for access, but slower for writes |
| 15:38.45 | itchi | CrippsFX: fish fish fish :-p |
| 15:38.53 | CrippsFX | itchi, :) |
| 15:38.56 | rahul | raid6 is just more of the same |
| 15:39.15 | perlmonkey | doesnt raid6 overcome the probs raid5 has with growing |
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| 15:39.27 | rahul | it's just two parity disks |
| 15:39.28 | JensB | Hi everybdoy |
| 15:39.32 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: nope |
| 15:39.32 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:39.41 | perlmonkey | whats the benefit to raid6 then |
| 15:39.43 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: lvm overcomes the raid5 growing problem |
| 15:39.47 | perlmonkey | 2 disks failure? |
| 15:39.49 | rahul | perlmonkey: two parity disks |
| 15:39.51 | rahul | yes |
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| 15:39.57 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: two disks can die at the same time |
| 15:40.00 | JensB | is there an apt source where you can get a version of MySQL 5.0 + PHP libraries without clobbering your existing MySQL setup (4.0)? |
| 15:40.01 | perlmonkey | got it |
| 15:40.09 | JensB | using Sarge |
| 15:40.18 | perlmonkey | i dont think i need that feature since such an eventuality would be extremely rare |
| 15:40.28 | Kobaz | JensB: you can have mysql4 and mysql5 at the same time i think |
| 15:40.28 | perlmonkey | i may as well stick with raid5 |
| 15:40.34 | itchi | JensB: Look on the backports site |
| 15:40.35 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: but just don't grow it, heh |
| 15:40.45 | perlmonkey | hehe true, i wont touch it this time |
| 15:40.45 | rahul | yeah, some people care, because a drive could fail during rebuilding the array |
| 15:41.00 | perlmonkey | its important to get your raid right first time I think |
| 15:41.02 | rahul | but that's a tradeoff you have to decide on |
| 15:41.15 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: it will never be right the first time... because a year from now you'll want more space |
| 15:41.17 | torrrr | is there a C chanel here? |
| 15:41.20 | itchi | JensB: See /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:41.22 | perlmonkey | my server has 6 bays on the raid, and i only had 3 drives in previously, now i have 2 more |
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| 15:41.30 | bronze_0_1 | torrrr: yes |
| 15:41.39 | Kobaz | perlmonkey: lvm over raid1 > * |
| 15:41.44 | stew | JensB: you can't have both using debian packages |
| 15:41.45 | torrrr | #c is invite only |
| 15:41.49 | JensB | itchi, are backports to be trusted? I read in several forums that backports.org is like unstable, only with fewer eyes for bugs |
| 15:41.51 | perlmonkey | i can either go for the full 6, or leave one slot vacant for now and then get a much bigger disk for backup purposes maybe thats more sensible |
| 15:42.10 | itchi | JensB: Use 'stable' software then, aka 4.0 |
| 15:42.18 | Kobaz | anyways, reboot time |
| 15:42.18 | h3sp4wn | torrrr: ##c |
| 15:42.37 | JensB | itchi, problem: 4.0 does not support UTF-8, I need UTF-8 |
| 15:42.44 | stew | JensB: backports.org is in general trustworthy all of the packages are made by debian developers. however the mysql 5 packages from backports will replace 4.0 which sounds like not what you want |
| 15:42.47 | itchi | JensB: patch it |
| 15:42.48 | torrrr | thanks |
| 15:42.49 | stew | JensB: does 4.1? |
| 15:42.50 | perlmonkey | kobaz is right |
| 15:42.56 | JensB | stew, AFAIK yes |
| 15:43.02 | stew | JensB: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 15:43.06 | JensB | might be less intrusive |
| 15:43.29 | stew | why 4.1 wasn't the default for sarge, i dunno. but both 4.0 and 4.1 are in sarge |
| 15:43.45 | perlmonkey | I think tho 31GB raid served me well until now over a period of 3 years, and with the 5 drives and one large one i would be good for another 3 years at least |
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| 15:44.04 | perlmonkey | by then my server may be nearing the end of its life |
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| 15:44.48 | perlmonkey | i want to get a 1U server then that takes up less space |
| 15:44.56 | fericitu_ | who know a better alternative for webmin ???? pls help me ! |
| 15:45.08 | JensB | fericitu_, what do you want to do? |
| 15:45.24 | JensB | stew, did you do an upgrade 4.0 -> 4.1? any experiences? |
| 15:45.47 | Kobaz | phew, made it |
| 15:46.04 | fericitu_ | exactly what i can do with webmin .. to andministarte dthe server |
| 15:46.09 | stew | JensB: many times, never had a problem, note that mysql upgrades are a one way street, so you should backup first (well you should backup first in any case) |
| 15:46.18 | Kobaz | fericitu_: all kinds of stuff |
| 15:46.28 | JensB | stew, including php and associated libraries? p.s. yes, I have a backup |
| 15:46.40 | Kobaz | JensB: no, the databases |
| 15:46.41 | JensB | stew, I'm not worried about losing data, only about downtime |
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| 15:46.54 | Kobaz | heh, back up the databases anyway |
| 15:46.54 | stew | JensB: no need to backup php or associated libraries |
| 15:47.08 | pickcoder | hey folks.. is the WMP300N supported on Etch? |
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| 15:47.16 | pickcoder | I've dug around and can't find much info on it |
| 15:47.20 | itchi | JensB: See this post maybe? http://drupal.org/node/71289 |
| 15:47.27 | JensB | stew, IMTS are the associated libraries automatically upgraded when you upgrade mysql? |
| 15:47.28 | pickcoder | it's a Linksys Wireless-N PCI card |
| 15:47.36 | itchi | JensB: And like stew told you to install the 4.1 |
| 15:47.43 | JensB | itchi, yes |
| 15:47.46 | stew | JensB: yes |
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| 15:47.59 | stew | JensB: well wait, which libraries? |
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| 15:48.21 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't you be .. not here ? |
| 15:48.36 | JensB | stew, libdbd-mysql, libmysqlclient, libpam-mysql,php4-mysql, postfix-mysql, proftpd-mysql |
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| 15:49.02 | itchi | JensB: pay especially attention to export your stuff right, before importing it again ... |
| 15:49.14 | JensB | stew, or can I assume they'll work with 4.1 as well as 4.0 if they aren't upgraded? |
| 15:49.16 | brantley | Is there an easy way to change the layout used when apt-get installing apache2? |
| 15:49.20 | CrippsFX | itchi, apt-file ... beautiful Thanks for the pointer :() |
| 15:49.23 | CrippsFX | er ... :) |
| 15:49.26 | CrippsFX | brb |
| 15:49.31 | itchi | CrippsFX: fish fish fish :-p |
| 15:49.35 | itchi | !fish |
| 15:49.35 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 15:51.29 | rtc | third draft of gplv3 has been released. |
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| 15:51.54 | stew | JensB: they would all work with 4.1 |
| 15:51.59 | stew | abrotman: flight at 6pm |
| 15:52.06 | JensB | stew, great |
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| 15:52.38 | Kobaz | make a fire for a man, he will be warm for a day... set the man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life |
| 15:52.54 | umpc_ | how can i copy a cdrom in command line? |
| 15:53.08 | Kobaz | wmpc_: dd and cdparanoid |
| 15:53.12 | stew | JensB: well libmysqlclient will get bumped from 12 to 14 and everything else should work with that change |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 15:54.18 | umpc_ | how can i a copy a cdrom in gui? |
| 15:54.23 | umpc_ | maybe something simple? |
| 15:54.26 | stew | umpc_: copy it to a file or to another cdrom? is it a data cd or an audio cd? |
| 15:54.37 | umpc_ | stew: to another cdrom |
| 15:54.38 | stew | umpc_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:54.38 | umpc_ | cd to cd |
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| 15:54.45 | umpc_ | etch |
| 15:54.49 | Kobaz | wmpc_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html |
| 15:55.17 | JensB | stew, greta |
| 15:55.19 | JensB | great |
| 15:55.29 | stew | umpc_: create an iso of the cd with "cp /dev/cdrom some.iso" then burn the iso to a new disk with "wodim some.iso" |
| 15:55.43 | pickcoder | looks like I'll be doing some legwork.. Linksys hasn't released anything for Linux yet |
| 15:55.44 | umpc_ | is making an iso that easy? |
| 15:56.26 | stew | umpc_: yes. (assuming this is not an audio cd). if you want to do a direct cd to cdcopy use cdrdao |
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| 15:56.54 | umpc_ | stew: it is an audio cd |
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| 15:57.43 | stew | umpc_: oh, then forget iso, use cdrdao |
| 15:57.51 | stew | umpc_: (assuming you have 2 cdroms) |
| 15:57.57 | jelly | umpc_: cdrdao can do it in command line, there probably are gui wrappers around it but I do not know of any |
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| 15:58.32 | jelly | stew: works with a single drive and some disk space too. |
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| 16:00.00 | umpc_ | i think i will use sound juicer and serpentine |
| 16:00.15 | umpc_ | a friend from ubuntu told me to |
| 16:00.28 | umpc_ | stew: you think that way is lossless? |
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| 16:01.19 | stew | umpc_: i don't konw what sound juicer and serpentine are / do |
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| 16:02.05 | David_BE | google is ur friend :) |
| 16:02.27 | David_BE | Serpentine project is a simple to use and very porwerful cd audio recording application. |
| 16:02.27 | David_BE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.15 | h3sp4wn | umpc_: why not cdparanoia ? |
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| 16:03.34 | natsume_ | hi |
| 16:03.34 | umpc_ | sounds so paranoid |
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| 16:03.44 | natsume_ | just want ask some question |
| 16:03.56 | umpc_ | !ask |
| 16:03.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:04.00 | natsume_ | is it possible to install debian sparc on sun fire v240 ? |
| 16:04.05 | dustybin | ive installed bind9 on a box and a set a dnd record for it, like localbox.net. how do i change the hostname of the box into localbox.net so it remembers after a reboot? |
| 16:04.06 | natsume_ | hehehe |
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| 16:04.28 | Kobaz | WOHOOOOO |
| 16:04.32 | Kobaz | Wed Mar 28 12:04:18 2007 TUN/TAP device tun1 opened |
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| 16:05.11 | h3sp4wn | umpc_: The way you speak about lossless seems like it would be a good choice (use -X) |
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| 16:05.43 | RvGaTe | I have a logitec keyboard with extra buttons at the top... how would i activate those? they are currently catching dust... |
| 16:05.43 | dustybin | if i do: hostname -v localbox.net |
| 16:05.58 | dustybin | it changes ok but when i reboot it changes back to debian-desktop |
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| 16:06.17 | fericitu_ | what is the best and easy conf. email server ? |
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| 16:06.58 | hark | !hostname |
| 16:06.59 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 16:07.04 | aadil | RvGaTe, which desktop manager u use? |
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| 16:07.14 | dustybin | fericitu_: postfix heres how to set it up in debian etch: http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2850 |
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| 16:08.10 | itchi | RvGaTe: Look to 'lineak' |
| 16:08.29 | fericitu_ | thx dustybin |
| 16:08.56 | vlt | Can anyone recommend a good tutorial for using OpenLDAP with current(!) stable Debian? |
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| 16:09.19 | natsume_ | is it possible to install debian sparc on sun fire v240 ? |
| 16:09.25 | dudeman | dude man, whats up |
| 16:09.28 | dustybin | jesus god everybody is talking about LDAP |
| 16:09.38 | Catachan | *sigh* I hate my kernel |
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| 16:09.52 | dustybin | about 10 people today have asked about that in different channels |
| 16:09.53 | Catachan | it doesn't like me at all |
| 16:10.03 | dudeman | what is ldap |
| 16:10.04 | itchi | dustybin: Look on the Debian's wiki ;-) |
| 16:10.20 | dustybin | why whats on debians wiki? |
| 16:10.25 | dudeman | whats debian |
| 16:10.36 | itchi | dudeman: shut up |
| 16:10.39 | dudeman | hehe |
| 16:10.44 | Catachan | I am begining to think that it is not my kernel configuration but rather my kernel source that is bad, *sighs again* |
| 16:10.48 | dudeman | itchi stoned |
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| 16:11.16 | dustybin | how do i turn off apple talk services when my machine boots, it freezes for about 25 seconds then continues |
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| 16:11.17 | dudeman | Catachan what is the problem |
| 16:11.28 | itchi | !wiki OpenLDAPSetup |
| 16:11.46 | dudeman | !listkeys ldap |
| 16:11.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ldap' by key (13): #debian ldap ;; _default openldap ;; ldap ;; _default ldap ;; _default kerberos + ldap ;; ldapdns ;; _default ldapdns ;; _default ldap-fix ;; kerberos + ldap ;; ldap-fix ;; ldapwindows ;; start an ldap war ;; openldap. |
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| 16:11.53 | itchi | !wiki ldap |
| 16:12.06 | dustybin | Lightweight Directory Access Protocol |
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| 16:12.20 | dudeman | !wiki |
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| 16:12.24 | dustybin | "n computer networking, the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, or LDAP (IPA: [ˈɛl dæp]), is a networking protocol for querying and modifying directory services running over TCP/IP." |
| 16:12.28 | dustybin | who the hell needs to do that? |
| 16:12.30 | dudeman | it works |
| 16:12.34 | Catachan | same as yesterday, SATA support isn't working leading to a VFS: Cannot open root device sda4 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 16:12.35 | dudeman | i think it just slow atm |
| 16:12.39 | itchi | dustybin: anyway, look on http://wiki.debian.org |
| 16:12.49 | dudeman | Catachan which version of linux? |
| 16:12.53 | Catachan | I even bothered to compile all of the SATA drivers into the kernel |
| 16:12.55 | hark | !wikifaq itchi OpenLDAPSetup |
| 16:12.55 | dpkg | itchi: check out http://wiki.debian.org/OpenLDAPSetup or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:13.01 | Catachan | 2.6.20.3 |
| 16:13.02 | itchi | hark: doh! |
| 16:13.16 | hark | :) |
| 16:13.21 | itchi | wtf, /msg dpkg wiki should be tell it ggrr :-p |
| 16:13.45 | Catachan | right now I am attempting to see if perhaps I snagged the wrong Download, and as such I am grabbing 2.6.20.4 from www.kernel.org |
| 16:14.15 | dudeman | itchi http://channels.debian.net/paste/5864 |
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| 16:15.19 | dudeman | oops |
| 16:15.19 | hark | it's more likely you screwed up somwhere |
| 16:15.20 | dudeman | I pasted it twice |
| 16:15.20 | simonrvn | dustybin: lots of people do |
| 16:15.22 | dudeman | simonrvn! hi hi |
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| 16:15.37 | simonrvn | hi |
| 16:15.37 | dudeman | dude I'm back at my parents house for a few days, awesome pakistani food |
| 16:15.38 | dudeman | I don't ever wanna leave ! |
| 16:15.38 | dudeman | hehe |
| 16:15.38 | itchi | dudeman: I dunno if you know, but i can read what my irc client output :-p |
| 16:15.38 | simonrvn | mmm, sounds good |
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| 16:15.38 | dudeman | itchi sorry didn't know your irc client was capable of displaying private messages |
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| 16:15.38 | dustybin | oh shit |
| 16:15.39 | simonrvn | you're making me drool |
| 16:15.39 | dustybin | since ive changed my hostname i cannot log into my box :-S |
| 16:15.45 | dustybin | hopefully its just crashed |
| 16:16.14 | intruder | "just" crashed ? |
| 16:16.14 | itchi | ktwilight: hela hela, new hostmask :-p |
| 16:16.20 | dudeman | simonrvn you know after 3 years of oklahoma, I am loving louisiana. I missed home so much man |
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| 16:16.27 | dudeman | I'm really happy |
| 16:16.31 | dudeman | its nice |
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| 16:16.38 | simonrvn | cool, happiness is a good thing |
| 16:16.47 | dustybin | jeeze its not a good idea changing the hostname if u got a load of stuff installed |
| 16:16.52 | dudeman | and a stable etch would be icing on top |
| 16:16.53 | dudeman | :D |
| 16:16.54 | ktwilight | ;) |
| 16:17.10 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 16:17.24 | itchi | ktwilight: Some plone business ? |
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| 16:17.26 | simonrvn | using debian you develop patience |
| 16:17.35 | dudeman | I registered a business too |
| 16:17.39 | ktwilight | itchi, yes |
| 16:17.41 | simonrvn | ooh |
| 16:17.45 | dudeman | PC repair and networking etc. on site |
| 16:17.48 | itchi | ktwilight: I guess, you are happy :-) |
| 16:17.51 | simonrvn | oh nice |
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| 16:17.58 | dudeman | kinda like nerdz or bestbuy type stuff from geek squad |
| 16:18.06 | dudeman | but much cheaper and I support linux users too |
| 16:18.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 16:18.10 | bzed | itchi: plone? as in the zope cms? |
| 16:18.10 | dudeman | no matter the distro |
| 16:18.13 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 16:18.18 | itchi | bzed: yup |
| 16:18.24 | dudeman | I was gonna called it stoned tech services |
| 16:18.28 | dudeman | but I decided against it |
| 16:18.28 | bzed | itchi: zope is messed up in etch :| |
| 16:18.28 | dudeman | lol |
| 16:18.29 | dudeman | j/k |
| 16:18.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:18.38 | dustybin | do u guys have more than 1 box at home |
| 16:18.43 | dudeman | 7 here |
| 16:18.47 | dudeman | all packed up, I moving |
| 16:18.48 | simonrvn | you'd develop a certain clientele ;p |
| 16:18.48 | itchi | bzed: You not run that on a testing machine usually ;-) |
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| 16:18.52 | dustybin | 7!!!!!!!!! jesus |
| 16:18.53 | simonrvn | 4 running |
| 16:19.04 | dustybin | what about electricity |
| 16:19.11 | dudeman | I make good money |
| 16:19.11 | simonrvn | and 2 more not |
| 16:19.17 | dustybin | are they on 24.7 |
| 16:19.18 | simonrvn | included in rent |
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| 16:19.25 | dudeman | its no more than 90-110$ /mo for electricity |
| 16:19.25 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 16:19.32 | dustybin | 7 boxes on 24.7 |
| 16:19.34 | dudeman | no ac/heat == 60-80$ /mo |
| 16:19.36 | dustybin | jeeeeeeeeeeze |
| 16:19.41 | dudeman | not bad at all |
| 16:19.41 | bzed | itchi: or: zope is messed up from upstream, they've fucked up the DateTime class, so you ahve the nice feature that plone spills out totally radom times. one is GTM, the other one is local time, sometyimes UTC.... |
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| 16:19.51 | elhim | lo |
| 16:19.58 | simonrvn | hi |
| 16:20.00 | elhim | so i decided to update my kernel and got: |
| 16:20.00 | elhim | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:20.01 | elhim | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.02 | dustybin | what the hell do u do with 7 boxes? |
| 16:20.04 | itchi | bzed: muhahaha :-p |
| 16:20.04 | dudeman | computers don't use much electricity at all really, I turn my monitors off at night or when I leave the house |
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| 16:20.13 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 16:20.15 | dudeman | and all computers which are not servers go into power save mode |
| 16:20.21 | elhim | what's up with that? grub no longer default bootloader |
| 16:20.24 | nomasteryoda | unless they have 540watt powersupplies... |
| 16:20.24 | stew | elhim: what version of debian are you running, what kernel are you installing? |
| 16:20.25 | dudeman | desktops and gaming systems etc. |
| 16:20.33 | dudeman | stew hi |
| 16:20.44 | stew | dudeman: i'm going to guess you are Nyle? |
| 16:20.45 | elhim | running 2.6.9, installing 2.6.18-4 |
| 16:20.47 | dudeman | yesssir |
| 16:20.50 | elhim | stew: ^ |
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| 16:21.01 | dustybin | id like to host my own website but the household ISPs arent fast enough, especially upload |
| 16:21.08 | stew | dudeman: howdy |
| 16:21.30 | dudeman | dustybin I've been running my webserver "stoned.is.dreaming.org" on my laptop for 3 years with cox cable |
| 16:21.31 | stew | elhim: which release of debian are you running? sarge/stable/etch/dapper/somethingelse? |
| 16:21.35 | dudeman | its off atm all packed up |
| 16:21.37 | simonrvn | you have to get "business" line to get say sdsl or equivalent cable |
| 16:21.39 | dudeman | but it was fast enough |
| 16:21.42 | dustybin | hahaha |
| 16:21.44 | elhim | stew: unstable |
| 16:21.51 | simonrvn | if your upload sucketh |
| 16:21.52 | dudeman | stew 2 weeks till nyc |
| 16:21.52 | dudeman | :D |
| 16:21.54 | nomasteryoda | dudeman, shhhh don't tell them |
| 16:22.03 | dudeman | tell em what? |
| 16:22.08 | nomasteryoda | lol |
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| 16:22.28 | nomasteryoda | running a webserver is a "violation" of the agreement |
| 16:22.36 | dustybin | ? |
| 16:22.36 | simonrvn | dustybin: upload of 800 kb/s is a good minimum |
| 16:22.40 | nomasteryoda | but i do too |
| 16:22.40 | nomasteryoda | i run ampache |
| 16:22.45 | simonrvn | that's kilobit |
| 16:22.46 | dudeman | simonrvn afaik cox/bellsouth do not install business lines in residential 'hoods |
| 16:23.00 | stew | elhim: just install a newer grub in the same command that you install the new kenrel, hotplug being removed is expected as udev now conflicts with hotplug |
| 16:23.03 | dudeman | with 800, you have maybe 40 kb/s upload |
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| 16:23.08 | dudeman | i think my math is horrible |
| 16:23.09 | archville | Hi. |
| 16:23.11 | elhim | stew: ah, thanks |
| 16:23.11 | nomasteryoda | dudeman, they did for one guy i know |
| 16:23.18 | nomasteryoda | business lines |
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| 16:23.26 | archville | Is it safe to remove /cdrom if i usually mount it elsewhere ? |
| 16:23.27 | dudeman | hmm, well cox and bellsouth didnt' do it for me |
| 16:23.29 | dudeman | assholes |
| 16:23.40 | dudeman | archville why remove it |
| 16:23.41 | nomasteryoda | cox business services |
| 16:23.54 | archville | dudeman, because i mount everything in /mnt/* |
| 16:24.04 | simonrvn | naw more like 80-90 KB/s |
| 16:24.05 | dudeman | nomasteryoda yes but they don't install those in residential places or houses |
| 16:24.19 | dudeman | unless you have a business registered and your business address is home |
| 16:24.26 | simonrvn | for 1 though, drops quickly for more :/ |
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| 16:24.34 | itchi | dudeman: Pay attention to your language please |
| 16:24.41 | dudeman | huh? |
| 16:24.45 | dudeman | what did I say? |
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| 16:25.08 | itchi | dudeman: moron |
| 16:25.08 | jelly | "residential"? |
| 16:25.12 | dudeman | :( |
| 16:25.22 | simonrvn | itchi: more moron ;p |
| 16:25.26 | dudeman | what? |
| 16:25.38 | tvynr | dudeman: See immediately above "archville why remove it" |
| 16:25.38 | bzed | !slap you fools |
| 16:25.48 | dudeman | oh |
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| 16:25.55 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 16:25.55 | dudeman | well bellsouth are assholes |
| 16:25.56 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:25.58 | rahul | hrm |
| 16:26.01 | dudeman | its true |
| 16:26.02 | rahul | damn it |
| 16:26.05 | dudeman | hey rahul |
| 16:26.06 | bzed | lol |
| 16:26.22 | dudeman | is the word offensive to you |
| 16:26.23 | jelly | dudeman: no offtopic namecalling! |
| 16:26.25 | dudeman | my bad |
| 16:26.31 | bzed | !blame itchi for dudeman |
| 16:26.39 | dudeman | its ontopic, its an isp which debian users no doubt in the south us |
| 16:26.41 | dudeman | use* |
| 16:27.00 | jelly | dudeman: no, it's not. Then all ISP's would be ontopic. |
| 16:27.15 | dudeman | anyway, you can run a webserver with very liht traffic on residential cable connection |
| 16:27.25 | dudeman | I have for 3 years |
| 16:27.31 | dudeman | jelly my bad |
| 16:28.13 | dustybin | imagine household ISPs started feeding out fibre optic cables to houses |
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| 16:28.14 | jelly | dudeman: support questions are welcome |
| 16:28.14 | perlmonkey | hmm |
| 16:28.14 | rahul | !no, penixstrike is <Reply>Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 16:28.14 | dpkg | rahul: okay |
| 16:28.14 | dudeman | jelly I have been here close to 7 years |
| 16:28.16 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 16:28.16 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 16:28.18 | dudeman | I'm aware |
| 16:28.20 | jelly | dudeman: you're stoned? |
| 16:28.23 | dudeman | yessir |
| 16:28.28 | jelly | oh well |
| 16:28.31 | dudeman | not atm though, been clean for 3 weeks |
| 16:28.34 | dudeman | :D |
| 16:28.41 | rahul | anyway, now that that's sorted out |
| 16:28.44 | dudeman | and hopefully for the rest of my life |
| 16:28.47 | jelly | had I known, I wouldn't have tried to warn. ;-) |
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| 16:28.52 | dudeman | its ok buddy |
| 16:28.53 | dudeman | :) |
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| 16:29.03 | rahul | dudeman: you're coming to NYC. you're not allowed to be sober here. |
| 16:29.22 | jelly | rahul: drunk != stoned |
| 16:29.32 | stew | t |
| 16:29.37 | rahul | sober != !drunk |
| 16:29.51 | dudeman | i think stew meant to say !ot |
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| 16:30.08 | stew | dudeman: that was opposed to 'nil' |
| 16:30.13 | dudeman | hehe |
| 16:30.15 | dudeman | word |
| 16:30.32 | jelly | oh, life. life > $you && $you != $me |
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| 16:31.08 | erudified | mark shuttleworth invented the internet. |
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| 16:31.24 | rahul | stew: I didn't realize you had Zeta-C loaded |
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| 16:32.49 | elhim | thanks dood |
| 16:32.50 | elhim | s |
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| 16:34.33 | dudeman | rahul I will be leaving friday, and hopefully get there on monday. Gonna take my time driving. Getting the truck on thursday. |
| 16:34.46 | rahul | cool |
| 16:34.47 | dudeman | I hate driving :( |
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| 16:34.54 | rahul | I'm gonna be partying like mad this weekend |
| 16:35.06 | rahul | weekend being the part of the week that starts tonight |
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| 16:35.07 | dudeman | msg bro |
| 16:35.13 | stew | i'm going to be partying like mad in amsterdam this weekend :) |
| 16:35.16 | dudeman | no way |
| 16:35.16 | rahul | stew: bastard! |
| 16:35.19 | dudeman | stew parties? |
| 16:35.21 | stew | way |
| 16:35.22 | dudeman | haha j/k |
| 16:35.36 | dudeman | go with the old lady hopefully |
| 16:35.40 | dudeman | will be more fun |
| 16:35.48 | rahul | dudeman: don't forget to auth with nickserv :P |
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| 16:36.11 | dudeman | I was in amstrdam for 11 hours, from lahore to nyc, when I was 12, the plane door broke and we were stuck on the airport for 11 hours |
| 16:36.19 | dudeman | it sucked, I never again flew PIA |
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| 16:36.27 | dudeman | oh yeah |
| 16:36.38 | itchi | dudeman: Oh, stoned |
| 16:36.38 | Nyle | ok msg now |
| 16:36.43 | Nyle | yessir |
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| 16:37.57 | MatBoy | I'm figuring out with APF when the server where APF is installed on wants to connect to 123.123.123.123 that it actually connects to 10.0.0.123 Or should I do this using the hostsfile ? |
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| 16:38.01 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 16:38.08 | HardDisk_WP | i got some .smi.bin file |
| 16:38.13 | HardDisk_WP | how to unpack it? |
| 16:38.49 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: That's probably a script you may need to run |
| 16:38.51 | HardDisk_WP | http://nothickmanuals.info/doku.php/minivmac |
| 16:38.56 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, its a image |
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| 16:40.38 | Alumin | MatBoy: you'll need iptables for that |
| 16:40.48 | wolferine | having an issue with synaptic: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 21566 package `initscripts': |
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| 16:40.52 | MatBoy | Alumin, apf is iptable-based I thought |
| 16:40.53 | Alumin | to redirect traffic from 123.123.123.123 to 10.0.0.123 |
| 16:40.54 | wolferine | anything I can do? |
| 16:41.16 | Alumin | I don't know what APF is |
| 16:41.29 | Alumin | I'm just saying, if you want to redirect IP traffic, you need iptables rules |
| 16:41.52 | Alumin | HardDisk_WP: if it's an image, use dd to write it |
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| 16:42.04 | bzed | dustybin: you were thinking asbout buying a macbook, right? than that's for you: http://natalian.org/archives/2007/03/28/impressions-of-a-macbook/ |
| 16:42.05 | Alumin | HardDisk_WP: disk image...of a floppy? |
| 16:42.09 | DA_Busy | !k-p mantra |
| 16:42.14 | HardDisk_WP | Alumin, nope, some sort of Apple specific |
| 16:42.14 | DA_Busy | Hmm... |
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| 16:42.34 | DA_Busy | How do I get dpkg to give me the kernel-package mantra? |
| 16:42.34 | Alumin | oh...well then you'd need an Apple to read it I'd assume (?) |
| 16:42.42 | dustybin | bzed: thanks, ill read :) |
| 16:42.58 | HardDisk_WP | i dont wanna spend ~$3k for a apple only for that... |
| 16:43.07 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: The disk image is called *.dsk |
| 16:43.17 | DA_Busy | Hello? :) |
| 16:43.41 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, i know. but in older mac os, there existed .smi thing. it stands for self-mounting image AFAIR |
| 16:43.42 | wolferine | or is there another channel for just synaptic? |
| 16:43.44 | Alumin | oh you're just trying to unpack it, not mount it, my bad |
| 16:43.46 | HardDisk_WP | but i dont have a mac... |
| 16:43.47 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
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| 16:43.59 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: I not see from where you got that bin file. I dunno about mac's :-) |
| 16:44.11 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, http://nothickmanuals.info/doku.php/minivmac |
| 16:44.20 | HardDisk_WP | System software. Luckily, Apple offers older versions of its software, including Mac OS up to version 7.5.5, at the Older Software Downloads page. This project uses System 7.0.1 |
| 16:44.20 | itchi | perlmonkey: Mailing list too ;-) |
| 16:44.23 | Alumin | HardDisk_WP: I don't know off the top of my head, never worked with one of those before |
| 16:44.31 | Alumin | I think there's a Linux version of stuffit expander |
| 16:44.31 | DA_Busy | abrotman: What must I ask dpkg to get the kernel package mantra? |
| 16:44.40 | Alumin | at a bare minimum that should be able to unpack it |
| 16:44.42 | perlmonkey | ;-p |
| 16:44.47 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 16:44.48 | Alumin | although via web search you may find other utils |
| 16:45.19 | dustybin | "Btw this is my Dad’s Macbook. I’m still married to Debian SID and a Thinkpad." |
| 16:45.19 | Alumin | is this an old mac emulator? |
| 16:45.40 | DA_Busy | !kernel-package mantra |
| 16:45.42 | Alumin | can it play Dungeon of Doom? |
| 16:45.50 | Alumin | if not then it SUCKS :p |
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| 16:47.23 | fericitu_ | if my intern IP is 192.168.0.200 how i must put here : mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, *.*.*.*/* # change this to local address + subnet so emails can be relayed out your box |
| 16:48.02 | lee` | /? |
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| 16:48.15 | fericitu_ | in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 16:49.37 | fericitu_ | help me pls |
| 16:49.42 | dustybin | fericitu: mine says: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 16:49.50 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 16:49.51 | fericitu_ | thx |
| 16:50.08 | dustybin | but your local server ip might be different |
| 16:50.27 | fericitu_ | my ip is 192.168.0.200 |
| 16:50.41 | mfrisch | how do you set up grub for fb support? |
| 16:51.04 | wols_ | fericitu_: 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 16:51.08 | fericitu_ | dustybin what ip you have ? |
| 16:51.13 | fericitu_ | ok |
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| 16:51.34 | dustybin | the IP on my postfix box is: 192.168.0.2 |
| 16:51.37 | dustybin | fericitu: mine says: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 16:51.43 | wols_ | mfrisch: why does grub need fb support? |
| 16:51.53 | mfrisch | wols_: it doesn't. |
| 16:52.10 | wols_ | asked another way: what can you do with grub when it has fb support? |
| 16:52.15 | mfrisch | wols_: I put options in kopt no go. vesafb is compiled in |
| 16:52.18 | wols_ | do what you can't without that is |
| 16:52.35 | wols_ | ah. kernel parameter. vga=ask for example |
| 16:53.05 | rahul | mfrisch: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/Documentation/fb/* |
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| 16:53.20 | rahul | if you're using vesa, look at the vesafb file specifically |
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| 16:53.42 | Public_Enemy | is that rude to ask questions about ubuntu on this channel? |
| 16:53.57 | azeem | Public_Enemy: no, but it's off-topic |
| 16:53.59 | wols_ | yes |
| 16:54.02 | azeem | Public_Enemy: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:54.02 | dustybin | yes |
| 16:54.08 | Public_Enemy | ok |
| 16:54.20 | dustybin | ubuntu is public enemy no.1 |
| 16:54.35 | Public_Enemy | well...why? |
| 16:54.35 | leemur | dustybin: I thought that was microsoft? |
| 16:54.38 | wols_ | no. ubuntu users and askers in #debian are |
| 16:54.39 | dustybin | heh |
| 16:54.41 | wols_ | ubuntu itself is fine |
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| 16:54.54 | dustybin | ubuntu when in professional use isnt |
| 16:55.03 | mfrisch | rahul: don't got sources. |
| 16:55.04 | jelly | answers appropriate for debian might collide with the ubuntu way |
| 16:55.29 | mfrisch | rahul: tried video=vesafb vga=791 and variants |
| 16:55.38 | Public_Enemy | ok trying ... dont kick me :) ...while transferring files from my local win pc to my local ubuntu pc (via winscp) ... transferring stops and I can no longer login to ubuntu ... any idea? |
| 16:55.44 | rahul | mfrisch: look at an lxr site |
| 16:56.14 | dustybin | Public_Enemy: ubuntu is unstable |
| 16:56.22 | wols_ | Public_Enemy: we don't know, we can't know. please either install debian or ask in #ubuntu. not here |
| 16:56.29 | Public_Enemy | ok |
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| 16:58.56 | Kobaz | bzed: yay, i got openvpn completely going |
| 16:58.59 | reto_ | hi, I'm looking for an easy way to identify all packages from a particular apt source |
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| 16:59.20 | fericitu_ | if i crate a user with useradd .. how can delet it ?? |
| 16:59.32 | Nyle | userdel/deluser |
| 16:59.47 | Nyle | I wonder what the difference is |
| 16:59.55 | azeem | deluser is better. |
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| 17:00.05 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.08 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 17:00.10 | mfrisch | userdel is old school I believe |
| 17:00.10 | fericitu_ | thx |
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| 17:00.29 | reto_ | dustybin: yap |
| 17:00.31 | Nyle | azeem why is that? |
| 17:01.07 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.15 | itchi | Nyle: What about useradd and adduser? :-) |
| 17:01.20 | Nyle | dustybin er. dpkg -L mutt |
| 17:01.27 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.28 | Nyle | |less perhaps? |
| 17:01.29 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 17:01.33 | Gathond | dustybin: global /etc/Muttrc, users ~/.muttrc |
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| 17:01.44 | itchi | Nyle: Same story :-p |
| 17:01.55 | dustybin | my users ~/.muttrc doesnt exist |
| 17:01.59 | Nyle | itchi heh same I guess |
| 17:02.04 | dustybin | but /etc/Muttrc does |
| 17:02.16 | Gathond | dustybin: well unless you have made one it probably does not |
| 17:02.34 | Gathond | dustybin: if you have made no custom settings it will just use the system wide defaults |
| 17:02.39 | Nyle | I was looking on google, and userdel deletes files + user/group from system, whereas deluser only removes the user but it doesn't have a flag/option for removing files or home directories for user |
| 17:02.50 | Nyle | this is what I got from google, on respective manpages |
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| 17:03.05 | bzed | Nyle: both tools have a manpage, reading it helps! |
| 17:03.13 | Nyle | bzed umm, I AM |
| 17:03.14 | dustybin | Gathond: interesting! |
| 17:03.14 | reto_ | one of the tools is just used on debian system |
| 17:03.18 | Nyle | care to read what I just said |
| 17:03.20 | reto_ | I think thats adduser |
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| 17:04.04 | Gathond | dustybin: very unix like I believe, why make a configuration file which contains nothing that sets it apart from the system wide |
| 17:04.08 | Nyle | I'm on on debian atm, but I can access linux man pages on google, and that is where I looked, and this is my understanding of the differenc according to them |
| 17:04.09 | dustybin | Gathond: when i send a mail from this user i want the mail from:< > to be something different |
| 17:04.12 | Nyle | I'm probably wrong |
| 17:04.20 | Nyle | s/on/not on |
| 17:04.22 | bzed | Nyle: adduser/deluser/addgroup/delgroup are userfriendly frontends to userdel/groupdel/.... |
| 17:04.30 | Nyle | oh I see |
| 17:04.34 | bzed | Nyle: whay don;t you read the debian manpage? |
| 17:04.46 | Nyle | not on debian atm, my computers are all packed up |
| 17:04.52 | Gathond | dustybin: then override the system wide, it parses /etc/Muttrc before ~/.muttrc, so anything you want to change you can just put in it |
| 17:04.58 | itchi | Nyle: Anyway, it's better you read your own man pages, cause some package have the same apps as other packages |
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| 17:05.23 | bzed | Nyle: sometimes other distros jsut have other tools with the same name |
| 17:05.36 | Nyle | my own manpages? only if debian added things to deluser/adduser/group etc. |
| 17:05.36 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 17:05.36 | itchi | ... or patched it |
| 17:05.38 | Nyle | I see what you're saying |
| 17:05.44 | Nyle | ok that makes sense |
| 17:06.02 | wolferine | anyone able to help with synaptic? |
| 17:06.09 | Nyle | I can't wait to finish moving though, be back on debian |
| 17:06.17 | bzed | !tell wolferine about anyone |
| 17:06.46 | dustybin | http://www.mutt.org/ is down :( |
| 17:06.52 | itchi | big typo s/as/in/ |
| 17:07.06 | wolferine | !tell bzed its a form of getting ppls attention, w/o reposting my question for the third time |
| 17:07.19 | concept10 | dustybin, goto the mutt wiki instead |
| 17:07.21 | itchi | Nyle: Use putty and ssh to your lovely box |
| 17:07.26 | wolferine | having an issue with synaptic: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 21566 package `initscripts': |
| 17:07.50 | itchi | !tell wolferine about ask |
| 17:07.58 | itchi | nah, to late |
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| 17:08.13 | wolferine | !tell itchi buzz off |
| 17:08.14 | itchi | !available |
| 17:08.14 | dpkg | methinks available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 17:08.26 | itchi | wolferine: shut up, we help you!!! |
| 17:08.31 | wolferine | hehe |
| 17:08.33 | sn0 | morning/evening all |
| 17:08.35 | wolferine | not always... |
| 17:08.37 | wolferine | :) |
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| 17:08.46 | sn0 | little problem re mailing lists, Mail has been sent unsubscribing "" from the following mailing lists: |
| 17:09.03 | sn0 | but i do not have access to said email account anymore, how can i cancel all those failed messages ? |
| 17:09.04 | bzed | !paste |
| 17:09.04 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 17:09.05 | itchi | wolferine: Be clear, and you get help |
| 17:09.06 | wolferine | if I remove it, will a new one be created? |
| 17:09.16 | bzed | damnn :D |
| 17:09.16 | wolferine | i was clear, I posted it 3 times now... |
| 17:09.20 | itchi | wolferine: try apt-get clean maybe first |
| 17:09.27 | wolferine | doesnt do anything |
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| 17:09.29 | itchi | wolferine: then update |
| 17:09.34 | wolferine | already did it... |
| 17:09.40 | itchi | wolferine: then that last thingy |
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| 17:09.50 | bzed | sn0: who is hosting your email account? |
| 17:09.55 | wolferine | delete it <-- that thingy? |
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| 17:10.01 | sn0 | my ex isp bzed , ntl |
| 17:10.21 | itchi | wolferine: yup, looks corrupted |
| 17:10.26 | bzed | sn0: so how is that a debian related problem? |
| 17:10.37 | bzed | sn0: talk with your isp, the listadmins or whoever |
| 17:10.37 | wolferine | ok, if i delete it, will a new one becreated? |
| 17:10.43 | wolferine | (else ill just rename it) |
| 17:10.58 | itchi | wolferine: yup, or if not yet sure move it |
| 17:10.59 | stew | wolferine: /msg dpkg available |
| 17:11.08 | kth | I'm trying to install etch ia64 with netboot, getting the files from etch/main/installer-ia64/current/images/netboot/ and trying to boot results in "Invalid or corrupt kernel image", anyone could give a hint why that happens? |
| 17:11.11 | sn0 | bzed its not an email problem, i was just wondering who to speak to, to make sure to get the account signed up for the debian mailing lists, cancelled :) |
| 17:11.19 | bzed | !tell kth abouth ia64 |
| 17:11.22 | itchi | stew: He got it here ;-) |
| 17:11.36 | itchi | gggrrr have* |
| 17:11.38 | bzed | sn0: http://lists.debian.org |
| 17:11.45 | kth | !tell kth about ia64 |
| 17:11.46 | hark | wolferine: weren't you already told this like way earlier... |
| 17:11.46 | bzed | !tell kth about ia64 |
| 17:12.03 | dustybin | shame u cant do a dpkg-reconfigure mutt |
| 17:12.05 | wolferine | then I clean/update (after moving) |
| 17:12.11 | itchi | hark: Or was it another one? |
| 17:12.18 | wolferine | hark, no |
| 17:12.25 | wolferine | hark, no like I wasnt |
| 17:12.28 | wolferine | lol |
| 17:12.33 | wolferine | like u know |
| 17:12.34 | sn0 | i did use the webform on that page, which required me to check the mail to cancel, but i will email listarchives@debian.org instead, thanks |
| 17:12.49 | itchi | hark: It's THE available day :-p |
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| 17:14.14 | astronaute | anyone installed fds (flex data service) on debian please ? |
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| 17:14.35 | sn0 | cyahs |
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| 17:14.51 | itchi | astronaute: Press the ask button |
| 17:15.02 | hark | wolferine: like yes, 9 hours back |
| 17:15.02 | astronaute | itchi ? |
| 17:15.07 | astronaute | ah |
| 17:15.22 | wolferine | well, I must have missed the delete part |
| 17:15.25 | astronaute | well i got this error when trying to run samples : http://www.astronaute.net:8080/samples/dataservice/notes/notes.mxml |
| 17:15.36 | wolferine | all I was told in the past was to update/clean |
| 17:15.44 | wolferine | does it really matter hark |
| 17:15.44 | itchi | wolferine: Why do you lie then? |
| 17:15.52 | wolferine | or you just trying to start a beef |
| 17:16.00 | wolferine | itchi, read above |
| 17:16.14 | itchi | wolferine: Sure i have read :-p |
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| 17:17.47 | astronaute | itchi you got fds running ? |
| 17:18.00 | itchi | astronaute: I dunno what it is :-) |
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| 17:18.27 | astronaute | itchi flex data services, you now RIA flex 2 :) |
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| 17:18.41 | itchi | astronaute: Is that been packaged for Debian? |
| 17:18.48 | astronaute | nope |
| 17:18.52 | astronaute | installed from .bin |
| 17:19.09 | itchi | astronaute: Read the docs of your stuff then :-p |
| 17:19.22 | kth | bzed: Thanks, enlightening. |
| 17:19.47 | kth | Does the standart(forgot the name for it) debian kernel use the 64-bit-something in core2duo's? If it doesn't, will it give any performance making it use that thing, considering I'll never have over 2gb of ram on this laptop? |
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| 17:20.47 | jelly | kth: you can choose whether to install a fully 32-bit (i386) arch, or the 64-bit (x86-84) version, or even use a 64-bit kernel with i386 userspace. |
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| 17:21.23 | jelly | kth: but once you install either 32bit or 64bit Debian, you can't change it easily. |
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| 17:22.15 | bzed | kth: if it's a desktop, I'd suggest to install i386, as there's still no flash player for 64bit environments |
| 17:22.23 | bzed | kth: if you want 64bit, install amd64 |
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| 17:27.25 | kth | bzed: It is a desktop, but I don't install flash plugins anyway.... I suppose it'd give a little performance increase if I install amd64? |
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| 17:27.26 | kth | plugin even* |
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| 17:27.26 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.36 | hark | wine, codecs too |
| 17:28.21 | mfrisch | don't get me started on "shockwave" |
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| 17:29.05 | kth | Hey now, codecs is a no-no :( Which codecs are we talking about though? All proprietary? |
| 17:29.06 | mfrisch | hark: wine is in amd. |
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| 17:29.36 | hark | w32codecs |
| 17:29.44 | mfrisch | kth: its been less and less each day there are some codecs not supported |
| 17:29.52 | fantomas | How to forward UDP broadcast to a specific port to all interfaces? Is there a packeage for this? |
| 17:30.48 | mfrisch | kth: you can play a ms 10 file |
| 17:31.35 | hark | mfrisch: ah, so it is.. cool |
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| 17:33.16 | mfrisch | hark: I have had problems with real files though |
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| 17:34.02 | astronaute | anyone installed fds (flex data service) on debian please ? |
| 17:34.32 | wols_ | !tell astronaute about ask |
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| 17:36.09 | astronaute | wols_ i already asked but really need someone who already installed it first |
| 17:36.09 | astronaute | or my question is useless |
| 17:36.09 | kth | Makes me wonder whether such pervercy as running winxp under qemu be fast enough on this laptop for watching movies |
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| 17:36.10 | mfrisch | kth: why not? but you can do most things natively amd-64 |
| 17:37.22 | kth | Guess I'll go for it, seems a waste not to use some of the stuff I paid for |
| 17:37.51 | mfrisch | kth: use a least rc1 from etch as the installer |
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| 17:40.34 | ShaDoW_Lnx | cydork: Hi, i have the error pasted here http://rafb.net/p/9CxK3Z16.html |
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| 17:40.49 | skejoe | Hi :) How do I install my Wacom Volito on etch? Have tried to follow the documentation on linuxwacom.sourceforge.net but it still doesn't work :/ |
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| 17:40.51 | De_Mon | is there a tail command that ommits keywords or do I gotta pipe thru grep |
| 17:41.08 | skejoe | http://www.linuxin.dk/forum/index.php?ops=linuxin&fmode=vis&visid=26698&grid=4 |
| 17:41.12 | setuid | If I want to stay current with the latest stable/unstable Linux packages (i.e. the equivalent of BSD's ports system), which Debian is best? |
| 17:41.16 | De_Mon | q |
| 17:41.17 | setuid | Or should I run Ubuntu? |
| 17:41.18 | De_Mon | oops |
| 17:41.26 | setuid | This is for a server... development box. |
| 17:41.40 | skejoe | some outputs, danish, but still recognisable |
| 17:41.43 | mfrisch | setuid: use debian? |
| 17:41.52 | setuid | mfrisch, Right, so which flavor? |
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| 17:42.27 | De_Mon | setuid stable? |
| 17:42.43 | mfrisch | setuid: depends how "mission critical" the box will be. At least etch would be a good start, testing. |
| 17:42.46 | setuid | De_Mon, Sure, but from that point, how do I get the later packages? |
| 17:42.55 | setuid | mfrisch, Ok, good point. I'll fetch Etch. |
| 17:42.58 | De_Mon | backports or mixing |
| 17:43.24 | De_Mon | blending ;) |
| 17:43.26 | setuid | mfrisch, Is 3.1r5 the latest? |
| 17:43.50 | mfrisch | setuid: I believe. what cpu? |
| 17:43.58 | setuid | mfrisch, AMD64/4600+ |
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| 17:44.12 | setuid | I'm here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:44.14 | h3sp4wn | there is 4.0-rc2 |
| 17:44.15 | setuid | Is that the right list of images? |
| 17:44.21 | setuid | h3sp4wn, Where? |
| 17:44.25 | kth | mfrisch: Alright, thanks... I'll have a dry run with qemu and apt-proxy, then I'll bug you if I don't get it right ;) |
| 17:44.36 | h3sp4wn | !d-i |
| 17:44.36 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 17:45.29 | setuid | h3sp4wn, Right, see above... I'm already there, but they only show 3.1r5 |
| 17:45.30 | mfrisch | kth: thanks? |
| 17:45.43 | kth | mfrisch: For advice |
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| 17:45.48 | h3sp4wn | setuid: etch rc2 is there |
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| 17:46.08 | mfrisch | kth: I meant for coming back to bother me. |
| 17:46.16 | setuid | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 17:46.23 | setuid | Looks like that's the one |
| 17:46.25 | kth | mfrisch: Ah, you're welcome :D |
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| 17:47.25 | mfrisch | setuid: yeah thats it. Personally I have had problems with the daily builds. |
| 17:47.30 | aronofsky | hi , since I reinstall my debian testing when I connect on my sarge with ssh it is really really slow to prompt for the password, it must be some options of ssh client since I dont have the probleme connecting from windows with putty , anyone got an idea ? |
| 17:47.51 | setuid | mfrisch, I intend to just netinst the basic bits, and apt-get my way to a production box |
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| 17:48.55 | mfrisch | setuid: wait. |
| 17:49.01 | setuid | mfrisch, what? |
| 17:49.22 | mfrisch | setuid: Netinstall is broke and you need to go through it correctly |
| 17:49.33 | setuid | oh? |
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| 17:49.36 | setuid | "correctly"? |
| 17:49.55 | setuid | I've run Debian for > 8 years, so I'm pretty familiar with most gotchas... but there are new ones? |
| 17:50.52 | mfrisch | setuid: don't add the mirror through the installer. when you get to the tasksel menu (which lets you install meta sets of programs) just select base |
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| 17:51.36 | hark | hmm, that shouldn't be a problem now with the RC2 |
| 17:51.56 | setuid | I don't use tasksel, but I'll see what I can do |
| 17:52.02 | mfrisch | setuid: the installer fetches a newer network conf deb from security...but it asks you a question and freezes because you can't answer it. |
| 17:52.14 | aronofsky | I tried to change things in ssh_config but it seems I cant find where the problem come from ? |
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| 17:53.12 | mfrisch | setuid: its the built in tasksel part of the installer |
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| 17:53.32 | helo_ | what package contains the "lp" command? |
| 17:54.07 | mfrisch | helo_: depends what printing system you use. |
| 17:54.25 | wolferine | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 17:54.36 | aronofsky | helo, apt-file search lp |
| 17:54.43 | wolferine | now that I deleted it, dpkg is still giving issues |
| 17:54.48 | Anthro | I need to run a little local ircd with NickServ and ChanServ services (using testing/unstable mix). Any suggestions on which one to use? An apt-cache search ircd makes me think dancer might be the right choice, but any input is appreciated. |
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| 17:55.12 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 17:55.17 | wolferine | this was after I ran the clean/update |
| 17:55.21 | rtc | What is the difference between linux-image-xen and linux-image-xen-vserver? |
| 17:55.25 | Mazingaro | please how can I get a new gpg key for debian 3.1? |
| 17:55.29 | rtc | Which is the correct package for the domU? |
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| 17:55.56 | Anthro | !tell Mazingaro about 2007 key |
| 17:56.02 | Anthro | !tell Mazingaro about 2006 key |
| 17:56.04 | fazed | im completely new to debian, i have a radeon 9200 video card, how do i get the res on 1024x768? |
| 17:56.15 | mfrisch | rtc: its for using the same kernels as domu kernels (doesn't load a new one) |
| 17:56.22 | hark | !tell wolferine about available |
| 17:56.23 | wolferine | fazed, use nvidia-config and nvidia-settings |
| 17:56.28 | Anthro | Mazingaro: Do that, but use the fingerprint apt-get complains is unknown. |
| 17:56.44 | fazed | wolferine, but i have an ATi card....... |
| 17:56.51 | itchi | rtc: Do apt-cache show foo and read the both descriptions |
| 17:57.26 | wolferine | oh, sorry |
| 17:57.38 | Mazingaro | Anthro: thanks |
| 17:57.38 | rtc | mfrisch: Actually, I am trying to setup a etch domu on a FC6 dom0.... I'm usually using RH stuff, never did debian before ;) |
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| 17:57.49 | kth | Weirdness.... tftp server transfers at 50kBps again :\ |
| 17:57.50 | kth | Over 100mb lan... |
| 17:58.24 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.32 | itchi | rtc: Nah, i said somethings stupid in this case :-p |
| 17:58.38 | wolferine | kth, what type of router? |
| 17:58.44 | rtc | mfrisch: User demands. ;) |
| 17:58.46 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.53 | Mazingaro | Anthro: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 17:59.07 | mfrisch | rtc: or you could use debian as your dom0? |
| 17:59.24 | rtc | mfrisch: I'm rpm proponent ;) |
| 17:59.42 | hark | fazed: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 17:59.55 | Anthro | Mazingaro: Right, so replace the two (different) long hex strings in the commands dpkg told you about with that hex string. |
| 18:00.06 | dustybin | if you use a shell based client like 'mutt' it uses exim to send the mail, but what does it use to recieve mail? |
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| 18:00.29 | mfrisch | exim |
| 18:00.30 | Mazingaro | Anthro: where? |
| 18:00.32 | yeti_ | ... |
| 18:00.35 | yeti_ | I love you all. ^.^ |
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| 18:00.45 | itchi | wtf |
| 18:00.49 | wolferine | my update is really hanging on security.ubuntu.com, anyone else? |
| 18:00.50 | dustybin | exim to recieve mail? i though that was for sending only |
| 18:01.04 | Anthro | !2006 key |
| 18:01.04 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 18:01.04 | Anthro | Mazingaro: ^^^ |
| 18:01.07 | itchi | wolferine: kug, *ubuntu* |
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| 18:01.15 | mfrisch | dustybin: ahh no. |
| 18:01.21 | Mazingaro | which hex number? |
| 18:01.26 | rtc | actually, apt-cache show only says "Description: Linux kernel image on i686// This package depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel on i686 and compatible machines." for both packages. |
| 18:01.33 | Anthro | Mazingaro: NO_PUBKEY ***** |
| 18:01.41 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 18:01.49 | itchi | wolferine: No wonder you get corrupted stuff |
| 18:01.50 | Mazingaro | NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 18:02.01 | dustybin | i got a feeling i need to install some kind of shell based client to recieve mail |
| 18:02.07 | mfrisch | rtc: don't worry about whats on the domu it won't get loaded anyways. |
| 18:02.07 | hark | Mazingaro: install debian-archive-keyring and run an update |
| 18:02.09 | dustybin | fetchmail? |
| 18:02.11 | Anthro | Mazingaro: apt-get is telling you exactly which key it doesn't know. You need to run commands to retrieve the key and import it into apt. The commands are what dpkg (the bot) just said. |
| 18:02.25 | Mazingaro | Anthro: ok |
| 18:02.27 | Anthro | hark: Overkill, and huge. |
| 18:02.30 | rtc | mfrisch: But I'd like to! It is supposed to be started by pygrub. |
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| 18:03.11 | hark | depends.. if youwant you can manageit with apt-key. YMMV |
| 18:03.36 | mfrisch | rtc: ok. but it will be easier to just keep one /boot in order. to compile. |
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| 18:04.32 | Mazingaro | hark: done, all fine thanks |
| 18:04.35 | wolferine | itchi, have you used it much, ubuntu? |
| 18:04.43 | rtc | mfrisch: Won't it work with the stock debian domu kernel? |
| 18:04.47 | Rhab | got a prob, hope someone can hepl me: |
| 18:04.47 | Rhab | I compiled and installed a asterisk 1.2 on a new installed debian server (stable) |
| 18:04.47 | Rhab | now when i wanna run asterisk it says "illegal instruction" |
| 18:04.47 | Rhab | what did i wrong? |
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| 18:04.49 | kth | wolferine: It's a crappy dlink 614, but I doubt it's the router that is putting it down, if I start samba transfer it's a good 50mBps |
| 18:04.57 | itchi | wolferine: no way |
| 18:05.10 | wolferine | how long u used debian? |
| 18:05.20 | Smoked1 | I am installing etch right now to a PewerEdge 4600. I t says "The grub package failed to install into /target/" |
| 18:05.24 | Smoked1 | Any ideas? |
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| 18:05.28 | wolferine | kth, yeah, dlink is pretty bad |
| 18:05.31 | mfrisch | dustybin: fetchmail will fetch |
| 18:05.31 | itchi | wolferine: Sinds Sarge is out, i use it daily |
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| 18:05.50 | wolferine | itchi, so you just new to debian? |
| 18:05.59 | Mazingaro | Anthro: thanks to you too |
| 18:06.11 | Rhab | Hi, i have a problem concerning asterisk |
| 18:06.21 | Rhab | I compiled and installed it |
| 18:06.32 | rtc | mfrisch: Basically, I only need to know whcih kernel debian would use for a domu. |
| 18:06.34 | itchi | wolferine: no, i have migrated all my comps to Debian when Sarge come out. I had used a bit woody too. But i realy began, i gona say; sinds Sarge |
| 18:06.36 | Rhab | and when i type asterisk, it says "illegal instruction" |
| 18:06.38 | wolferine | well, that fixed my synaptic issue, thanks guys, again |
| 18:06.42 | rtc | mfrisch: the package... |
| 18:06.55 | mfrisch | rtc: through pygrub probally but most people just edit domu.cfg for kernel. any of them? |
| 18:07.49 | itchi | s/come/came/;woody/Woody/;/sinds/since/ |
| 18:07.54 | itchi | ggrr |
| 18:07.56 | Rhab | what means illegal insturcion? |
| 18:08.18 | kth | I just love my route to freenode - nothing for a few minutes, then a few pages of messages appear |
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| 18:08.59 | wolferine | kth, router, you update firmware recently? |
| 18:09.30 | rtc | mfrisch: Is linux-image-xen the domu kernel image? |
| 18:09.49 | kth | "Recently" is how recently? I think the last firmware update for this model was a good few years ago :P |
| 18:09.49 | dormando | Having trouble ssh'ing from any non-etch ssh client to an etch ssh server. Google doesn't seem to back me up on this one |
| 18:10.02 | dormando | dying at: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP when viewed from the client |
| 18:10.13 | dormando | don't see a bug filed for this either. am I doing something stupid? :\ |
| 18:10.44 | setuid | dormando, ssh -vvvv |
| 18:10.56 | wolferine | does your connection drop off entirely kth? |
| 18:11.05 | wolferine | or just up and down? |
| 18:11.08 | kth | Hmm.... Is "testing NMI watchdog ... CPU#0: NMI appears to be stuck (0->0)!" something to worry about? |
| 18:11.19 | dormando | setuid: see my "dying at:" line |
| 18:11.30 | setuid | Increase verbosity |
| 18:11.33 | kth | (qemu-system-x86_64 running netboot version of etch amd64) |
| 18:11.36 | dormando | it doesn't go higher than 3 |
| 18:11.51 | dormando | I added seven v's for yucks. still hangs at that line :) |
| 18:12.00 | setuid | What does the server say? |
| 18:12.23 | dormando | eventually fatal:'s the connection for authentication timeout |
| 18:12.25 | dormando | then closes the connection |
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| 18:12.32 | kth | wolferine: Just up and down, though it's not the dlink that serves as internet gateway, dlink is used as a switch... |
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| 18:12.57 | kth | Anyway, doubt dlink has anything to do with it anyway, gotta run for a few mins |
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| 18:14.10 | wolferine | oh |
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| 18:15.55 | DA_Busy | Hello. I'm running an AMD64 system with etch, using KDE. |
| 18:16.01 | fazed | how do i make sound work on debian? |
| 18:16.14 | DA_Busy | I just installed a new PCI NIC |
| 18:16.15 | rahul | fazed: load the sound driver for your sound card |
| 18:16.25 | xand | fazed: does it work as root? |
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| 18:16.27 | rahul | DA_Busy: load the driver for your network card |
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| 18:16.41 | rahul | DA_Busy: then man 5 interfaces for how to assign IP addresses, etc |
| 18:16.43 | DA_Busy | rahul: I just compiled lt in |
| 18:16.57 | rahul | DA_Busy: ok, edit the interfaces config and you're set for basic configs |
| 18:17.00 | xand | compiled? did you want #gentoo? :D |
| 18:17.03 | rahul | dhcp, static, whatever |
| 18:17.10 | DA_Busy | I just wanna get eth0 up |
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| 18:17.26 | DA_Busy | xand: I used kernel-package :P |
| 18:17.40 | fazed | xand, how do i access root ? |
| 18:17.49 | DA_Busy | fazed: su? |
| 18:17.50 | Rhab | some1 help me with asterisk pls^! |
| 18:17.58 | Rhab | i cant run it |
| 18:18.07 | ofer0 | Rhab, why can't you ? |
| 18:18.09 | Rhab | it says "illegal instruction" |
| 18:18.17 | dcordes | where do you guys get your mp3s? i'm looking for a nice gnutella gui |
| 18:18.27 | Rhab | i compiled it and make install and make samples |
| 18:18.37 | Rhab | asterisk 1.2.17 |
| 18:18.37 | apk | dcordes: I rip them from my legally purchased CDs. (Not here.) |
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| 18:18.57 | ofer0 | I rip them from my illegaly stolen CDs. |
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| 18:19.12 | dcordes | apk: well i don't want to get illegal unliscensed stuff. just looking for free music on gnutella :D :D |
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| 18:19.44 | Rhab | i did a strace asterisk |
| 18:19.53 | Rhab | but the output confuses me |
| 18:20.13 | itchi | dcordes: Look for ogg :-p |
| 18:20.14 | apk | dcordes: If looking for a front end to a program, start with 'apt-cache search' |
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| 18:22.06 | Rhab | the compiling process seemed to work fine so i dont see the problem |
| 18:22.20 | DA_Busy | rahul: Looked at that man page. I can't find where it says how to bring up an interface it apparently doesn't see. |
| 18:22.23 | itchi | dcordes: Just do a search about the type of app you want to use, bittorent, p2p, photo editing ... |
| 18:22.38 | rahul | DA_Busy: you have to define it first, then bring it up |
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| 18:23.00 | DA_Busy | rahul: How? |
| 18:23.02 | itchi | dcordes: You gona like the app packagesearch, install it |
| 18:23.02 | rahul | DA_Busy: how the man page says to |
| 18:23.11 | rahul | DA_Busy: and the man page says what commands to use |
| 18:23.18 | eald | hi, a friend asked this, why is portmap installed by default in debian? anybody knows the answer? |
| 18:23.26 | DA_Busy | It's huge and I'm short on time :( |
| 18:23.33 | rahul | so am I |
| 18:23.53 | DA_Busy | But I figured you knew the answer |
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| 18:24.31 | fantasma | is linux compatible with VIA chipsets? |
| 18:24.50 | setuid | Yes |
| 18:25.05 | itchi | !hardware |
| 18:25.05 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 18:26.04 | fantasma | rephrasing the question: are VIA chipset drivers are better or worse than the nForce drivers? |
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| 18:29.16 | rahul | DA_Busy: I can't read your mind, sorry |
| 18:29.17 | Rhab | wow none know about asterisk? |
| 18:29.31 | rahul | DA_Busy: read the man page, find the type of config you want, and just put it in the file |
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| 18:30.00 | setuid | Rhab, #asterisk |
| 18:30.19 | DA_Busy | rahul: It's already in the file |
| 18:30.29 | rahul | DA_Busy: so what are you complaining about? |
| 18:30.34 | DA_Busy | But it was used by my onboard NIC. |
| 18:30.48 | rahul | so change the interface name if necessary |
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| 18:30.49 | DA_Busy | It won't recognize my new PCI NIC. |
| 18:30.58 | rahul | a file doesn't recognize hardware |
| 18:30.58 | DA_Busy | Oh, ok. |
| 18:31.17 | DA_Busy | But ifup eth0 only gives errors |
| 18:31.19 | rahul | it's just a blob of text. it's not going to read your mind. hell _I_'m not going to read your mind, either |
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| 18:31.42 | Rhab | You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 18:31.54 | ShaDoW_Lnx | azeem: hi are you here? |
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| 18:32.59 | Rhab | how do i indentify in freenode i never used it before |
| 18:33.00 | sbacchi | join #debian |
| 18:33.57 | mfrisch | Rhab: type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
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| 18:34.47 | mfrisch | linux_jones: you are NOT from cinci are you? |
| 18:34.51 | linux_jones | how do i get a list of programs that are runnng and hoe much memory they are using? |
| 18:35.03 | linux_jones | mfrisch, close |
| 18:35.06 | Rhab | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.15 | linux_jones | haha |
| 18:35.22 | zamuro | Who ghost him? |
| 18:35.23 | mfrisch | linux_jones: have wanted to start a LUG |
| 18:35.27 | zamuro | LOL |
| 18:35.52 | linux_jones | mfrisch, yeah, where abouts are you from? |
| 18:36.08 | Rhab | mfrisch How do i register? |
| 18:36.22 | mfrisch | linux_jones: I live in Clermont Co |
| 18:36.24 | Rhab | -NickServ- The nickname [Rhab] is not registered |
| 18:36.33 | ShaDoW_Lnx | Rhab: /nickserv help |
| 18:36.50 | ShaDoW_Lnx | Rhab: /nickserv help register |
| 18:36.51 | linux_jones | rehab * /msg nickserv register |
| 18:37.09 | linux_jones | mfrisch, im in butler co |
| 18:37.12 | Rhab | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.45 | itchi | Rhab: Pay attention, a bit more and the pass was here too. Do that in another window maybe |
| 18:37.49 | mfrisch | linux_jones: cool. You done linux long? |
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| 18:38.14 | linux_jones | mfrisch, on and off for 7 years |
| 18:38.22 | linux_jones | since i was 15 |
| 18:38.24 | Rhab | lol im just trying |
| 18:38.34 | Rhab | gg no re |
| 18:38.45 | mfrisch | linux_jones: you work in IT? |
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| 18:40.01 | reto_ | mm.. my aptitude update freezes at '72% Waiting for headers |
| 18:40.17 | reto_ | from security.debiano.rg |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. try again |
| 18:40.40 | reto_ | did that twic |
| 18:40.44 | linux_jones | mfrisch, not offically |
| 18:40.46 | reto_ | anyway it just finished :) |
| 18:41.22 | linux_jones | mfrisch, ou? |
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| 18:41.25 | linux_jones | you even |
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| 18:41.57 | diegows | hi |
| 18:41.58 | mfrisch | linux_jones: here there is no point. I am starting a business. |
| 18:42.33 | ShaDoW_Lnx | Any one can help me?? i try to compile a program but whe i do make there's an error. |
| 18:42.36 | diegows | somebody knows how to see the older version of a package upgraded with apt-get? |
| 18:42.41 | mfrisch | linux_jones: I have had various gigs around town. What you running? |
| 18:43.03 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 18:43.04 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 18:45.12 | reto_ | !holy grail |
| 18:46.16 | ShaDoW_Lnx | Any one can help me?? i try to compile a program but whe i do make there's an error. <---------http://rafb.net/p/9CxK3Z16.html |
| 18:46.42 | diegows | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:47.54 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: 184 config.status: invalid option --recheck |
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| 18:48.33 | kth | Is "testing NMI watchdog ... CPU#0: NMI appears to be stuck (0->0)!" something to worry about? In dmesg of qemu-system-x86_64 running etch x86_64 netboot install kernel, google isn't being helpful |
| 18:48.41 | ShaDoW_Lnx | itchi: yes, the config.status is not generated, do you know why (Sorry abou my english) |
| 18:48.44 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: Are you trying to compile stuff with --prefix in the source tree? |
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| 18:49.06 | ShaDoW_Lnx | itchi: i do what say in the readme file. |
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| 18:49.47 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: Looks bugy software anyway |
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| 18:50.00 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 18:50.18 | abrotman | then ask the people that wrote it |
| 18:50.30 | Zmanu | i've put a usb disk on my computer, and i have this error ==> usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 |
| 18:50.33 | Zmanu | usb 3-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71 |
| 18:50.40 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: In that tree try ./config.status --help |
| 18:50.42 | Zmanu | is someone can help me ? |
| 18:50.43 | ShaDoW_Lnx | itchi: is for a remote control under bluetooth |
| 18:50.57 | Bracki | i need help setting up my orinoco based wlan card with wep. i seem to miss a crucial part. |
| 18:51.26 | amphi | Bracki: iwconfig <iface> key your_key I would think |
| 18:51.32 | Bracki | i set wireless-essid, wireless-key and wireless-channel in /etc/network/interfaces. iwlist wlan0 scan shows the ap as well. |
| 18:52.16 | Bracki | amphi: i had it working with the same key and a ralink based card but the rt2x00 keeps crashing... |
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| 18:52.20 | amphi | Bracki: iwconfig wlan0 shows the key set? |
| 18:52.25 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: Then look if that --recheck option is been there, and if there's not typo. Then change your makefile or whatever to point to the right option. But anyway i guess, your better with contact the author |
| 18:52.27 | Bracki | yes |
| 18:52.54 | amphi | Bracki: the channel matches what iwlist wlan0 scan shows the AP using? the card is in 'managed' mode? |
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| 18:53.13 | yoshio | Zmanu: I've had the same problem if the cable that connects the device is flaky |
| 18:53.32 | ShaDoW_Lnx | itchi: i try to contact the autor but i can't, the config.status y not generated i dont have that file |
| 18:54.02 | Zmanu | yoshio: flaky ? |
| 18:54.16 | Zmanu | but this cable work fine 3 days ago |
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| 18:54.24 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: Bugy stuff :-s |
| 18:54.37 | amphi | 'buggy' ;) |
| 18:54.40 | ShaDoW_Lnx | itchi: ok. |
| 18:54.40 | itchi | ShaDoW_Lnx: Just report it |
| 18:54.47 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, sorry :-p Buggy :-) |
| 18:54.54 | Bracki | amphi: yes |
| 18:54.55 | ShaDoW_Lnx | itchi: ok |
| 18:54.56 | itchi | amphi: I not like bugs, that's the cause :-) |
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| 18:55.10 | amphi | heh |
| 18:55.11 | yoshio | Zmanu: I used a usb cable to connect my cell phone, sometimes I would have to take the battery out to reset it |
| 18:55.38 | Zmanu | yoshio: ok, i gonna try to stop it and restart and see what happend |
| 18:55.41 | Zmanu | thanks |
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| 18:57.55 | Bracki | amphi: i tried settin an ip addr manually but no success as well.... |
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| 18:58.14 | xand | I see ths spamtards are awake |
| 18:58.28 | {nathan} | How can I swap the esc and caps lock keys? |
| 18:58.45 | xand | try a screwdriver |
| 18:58.53 | xand | and glue |
| 18:59.01 | {nathan} | hehe... |
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| 18:59.18 | amphi | Bracki: no use, if it's not asociated |
| 18:59.38 | Zmanu | yoshio: i have the same problem with anoter usb disk with another cable |
| 19:00.00 | Bracki | amphi: is there anything that gives more detailed error messages? or can i force assoc? |
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| 19:00.04 | Zmanu | yoshio: on another usb port |
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| 19:00.49 | synced | I can posible to run a rsync SERVER on a hosting where I don't have root access ? |
| 19:00.55 | rgsteele | Hey amphi, how'd you set your auth info such that it identifies you as amphi,isnick? |
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| 19:02.56 | kingsley | Is anyone here successfully using a SCSI device with version 2.6.18-4-k7 of the kernel? |
| 19:03.51 | yoshio | Zmanu: try rmmod ehci_hcd - may work at full speed rather than high speed |
| 19:04.22 | Zmanu | yoshio: i try thanks |
| 19:04.43 | valdyn | kingsley: check the btsd |
| 19:04.44 | valdyn | kingsley: check the bts |
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| 19:04.57 | valdyn | kingsley: im sure someone would have noticed if scsi didn't work |
| 19:05.07 | sprink_ | is there some way to close a group of packages in aptitude if you're not at the top of the group? |
| 19:05.15 | yoshio | Zmanu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/54273 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/49367 |
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| 19:05.29 | kingsley | valdyn: I agree on both counts and am left with the paradox that SCSI doesn't work for me, and yet there |
| 19:05.35 | kingsley | is no bug report. |
| 19:05.40 | Zmanu | yoshio: that's work, thanks a lot |
| 19:05.50 | valdyn | kingsley: so its not scsi that is not working |
| 19:05.55 | Zmanu | now i must remove ehci_hcd for module |
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| 19:06.26 | kingsley | valdyn: Can you elaborate? |
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| 19:06.40 | valdyn | kingsley: its not the linux kernel scsi subsystem that is broken |
| 19:06.46 | archville | Hi. Any app to generate stats about hard disks space ? |
| 19:06.59 | yoshio | Zmanu: at the bottom of the second URL are the instructions for blacklisting a module |
| 19:07.10 | kingsley | valdyn: Why do you think that's so? |
| 19:07.22 | Zmanu | yoshio: perfect :) |
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| 19:07.25 | yoshio | archville: like dh -H ? |
| 19:07.25 | sprink_ | archville: df -h ? |
| 19:07.32 | sprink_ | hehe |
| 19:07.41 | valdyn | kingsley: because someone else would have noticed, and this would be _the_ most important rc bug for etch, probably |
| 19:07.49 | archville | I mean... something to see the directories/files wich take more space and such |
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| 19:08.55 | yoshio | archville: try du instead |
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| 19:09.29 | Zmanu | yoshio: better is to add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, no ? |
| 19:09.46 | abrotman | archville: ls | du -sk |
| 19:09.47 | rjalex | hello I find a lot of instruction on compiling and installing the atheros madwifi drivers bit most are very old and not debian oriented ... any sugestions for a good up to dat howto _ thanks |
| 19:09.53 | abrotman | or -sh |
| 19:10.05 | abrotman | !tell rjalex about madwifi |
| 19:10.05 | yoshio | archville: oops, not 'dh' |
| 19:10.21 | rjalex | thank you abrotman |
| 19:10.30 | archville | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 19:10.49 | kingsley | valdyn: I understand your reasoning, agree with most of it, and will only add that it seems to me that part of the kernel's SCSI subsystem may have a bug, and my box happens to fall into the corner case that exacerbates the bug. |
| 19:10.55 | pickcoder | success.. got 270MB draft-n working with the WMP300N |
| 19:11.36 | yoshio | Zmanu: you're right |
| 19:11.49 | Bracki | amphi: any idea what else i can try? |
| 19:11.54 | jjazz | If I request http://localhost/~user/dir, apache returns the content of index.php. If I request user/dir/index.php, apache runs the code as expected. Where can I tell apache to do the right thing in the first instance? Thanks. |
| 19:11.56 | valdyn | kingsley: now if you could follow these general rules of this channel to provide actually useable information. like the driver you are using, your system, and a precise error description |
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| 19:12.51 | rjalex | does anyone know if the keyboard language can be changed on the fly under xfce _ thanks |
| 19:13.16 | valdyn | rjalex: did you search the applets coming with xfce? |
| 19:13.43 | rjalex | I am exploring them valdyn but so far cannot switch input language. thanks |
| 19:13.55 | archville | What is /srv for ? |
| 19:14.02 | valdyn | rjalex: its called 'keymap' |
| 19:14.13 | valdyn | rjalex: ( what you are trying to change i mean ) |
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| 19:14.50 | rjalex | thanks valdyn .. I am looking for it but not finding it 8-( |
| 19:15.12 | rjalex | I found a keyboard applet |
| 19:15.19 | rjalex | but its not what I need |
| 19:15.23 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 19:15.23 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 19:15.42 | valdyn | mm |
| 19:15.53 | valdyn | rjalex: i dont have xfce running... |
| 19:16.12 | hark | archville: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 19:16.16 | rjalex | still very kind of you trying to help valdyn I appreciate it |
| 19:16.45 | archville | thank |
| 19:16.48 | archville | *thanks |
| 19:17.18 | rjalex | valdyn will try joining an xfce chanel if there is one and ask there |
| 19:17.20 | kingsley | valdyn: I use the buslogic, scsi_mod and sg modules with version 2.6.18-4-k7 of the kernel. sane-find-scanner can't find the SCSI scanner, and dmesg seems to me to suggest that the kernel may try to put the SCSI device on IDE interface id3. |
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| 19:17.48 | hark | rjalex: try #debian-xfce here |
| 19:18.17 | valdyn | rjalex: 'man setxkbmap' for a generic solution ( independent of xfce ) |
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| 19:19.03 | valdyn | kingsley: what exactly is in dmesg |
| 19:19.22 | ad0le | I just bought three G3 PowerPC iMac's to hand off to the kids... mostly for web and email. However, I didn't think to look to see if the flash player 9 for PPC was developed. It of course isn’t. Which would be faster, tunneling X through SSH to an x86 box to get firefox with all the plugs or LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project)? |
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| 19:20.07 | valdyn | ad0le: over ethernet? |
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| 19:20.21 | nixbox | what is the easiest way of inserting a character with ASCII code > 200 in a file using the keyboard or any command or editor? |
| 19:21.15 | ad0le | nixbox: with numlock on, hold Alt and press the ascii code on the numpad |
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| 19:22.03 | ad0le | valdyn, yes |
| 19:23.59 | bzed | nixbox: echo -e '\204' if you really need that in a shall script |
| 19:24.20 | jjazz | ad0le: tunneling x will sacrifice sound, won't it? |
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| 19:24.46 | Rusty1 | hello, is there any thing that, along with hotplug+discover, will improve usb hotplugging |
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| 19:25.11 | kingsley | valdyn: Unfortunately, I booted back into an older and working version of the kernel, and can't tell you at the moment exactly what dmesg reported. My recollection is that after dmesg reported the SCSI host card, its next line referred to IDE interface id3, and the lines immediately after that identified the SCSI scanner. However, if you think it would be helpful, I can reboot and report dmesg's output more precisely. |
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| 19:26.05 | valdyn | kingsley: sure, but it already looks like just sane does not know your scanner |
| 19:26.19 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to override the automatic CPU scaling ? I wanna leave my laptop at work, processing some heavy data. But to make sure the CPU dosn't get over heated, I want to slow it down a bit. PRetty sure it is possible, just don't remember what file to change |
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| 19:27.00 | valdyn | Jemt: there's a thousand ways, which desktop environment are you using? |
| 19:27.11 | kingsley | valdyn: xsane knows my scanner when with a previous version of the kernel. Unless you object, I'll reboot. |
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| 19:27.21 | tore | /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling, Jemt |
| 19:27.24 | Jemt | valdyn: I would prefer changing the file(s) used by powernow |
| 19:27.27 | Jemt | tore: Thanks :) |
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| 19:27.51 | valdyn | Jemt: /etc/powernow.conf? |
| 19:27.55 | valdyn | Jemt: not sure... |
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| 19:28.01 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 19:28.17 | Jemt | tore: Not the file I was thinking off. I think it is part of the PowerNow program. It is possible to set a max value in it |
| 19:28.19 | valdyn | Jemt: using powernow for this surely cant be conveniet |
| 19:28.22 | itchi | dazjorz: Hallo |
| 19:28.26 | valdyn | Jemt: using powernow for this surely cant be convinient |
| 19:28.32 | Jemt | valdyn: Works for me |
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| 19:28.51 | fazed | how do i upgrade to the latest version of firefox ? |
| 19:28.52 | itchi | dazjorz: Just as info, us have #debian-nl too, let's make some noise about it :-p |
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| 19:29.10 | dazjorz | I have Postfix installed on my server, and remembered Postfix is only for SMTP and mail receival, not for POP/IMAP and mail sending - I also remembered I used Courier for this earlier, so I tried to reinstall Courier, but now apt-get tells me that when I install courier, it wants to remove Postfix (probably because it automatically chooses courier-mta...) |
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| 19:29.20 | dazjorz | Hi itchi :) |
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| 19:29.34 | valdyn | Jemt: /etc/default/powernowd |
| 19:29.49 | valdyn | Jemt: man powernowd should have the options |
| 19:29.54 | dazjorz | So I'd like to know what packages require courier-mta |
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| 19:30.01 | dazjorz | what courier-* packages, even |
| 19:30.02 | Jemt | valdyn: Thanks :) |
| 19:30.12 | |sharky| | how to see what locales are installed on the system ? |
| 19:30.20 | dazjorz | dpkg: help |
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| 19:30.54 | ad0le | you can tunnel ESD/ARTSD Audio over ssh, right? |
| 19:30.58 | fazed | how do i upgrade to the latest version of firefox 2.0.0.3 ? |
| 19:31.18 | itchi | fazed: Fetch it, compile it, if that's you want |
| 19:31.31 | enouf | |sharky|: type locales |
| 19:31.31 | itchi | fazed: I guess you run Sarge?? |
| 19:31.36 | fazed | how do i do that? |
| 19:31.38 | fazed | yes |
| 19:31.42 | valdyn | Jemt: its probably more conveninet to just leave powernow alone and only use 2 commands to change the max usable frequency via echo <number> > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
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| 19:31.47 | fazed | i have extracted it |
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| 19:32.15 | qwer | Hi all, I am looking for a mainboard to run a file server (small office about 8 clients, sata controller, 2 GM RAM). I read asus isn't such a good choice. all the other information I found is outdated. What is good to take. The CPU I guess will probably be a Intel Core 2 but AMD is also ok. |
| 19:32.16 | Jemt | valdyn: Yes! Exactly the file I was looking for! |
| 19:32.16 | enouf | |sharky|: locales | less to be able to view nicely and scroll .. also /msg dpkg locales |
| 19:32.18 | Jemt | Thank you :) |
| 19:32.23 | Drakeson | how can I get some packages from experimental? |
| 19:32.27 | itchi | fazed: Read the docs provided with the package, there's always noted how to do it. But keep in mind that you probably not go to get support about 'somethings' not yet in Debian |
| 19:32.30 | dazjorz | So how do I see what packages require courier-mta? |
| 19:32.56 | Drakeson | like libc6 2.5 , more recent gtk, ... |
| 19:33.14 | Drakeson | ,experimental |
| 19:33.18 | Drakeson | experimental? |
| 19:33.31 | hark | !tell Drakeson -about experimental |
| 19:33.36 | valdyn | qwer: are you going to spend the $ for a real server mainboard? |
| 19:34.03 | hark | dazjorz: don't install it then.. if you're using postfix |
| 19:34.13 | qwer | valdyn: you got me. I thougth about $300. |
| 19:34.18 | dazjorz | hark: I used courier for POP and Postfix for SMTP iirc |
| 19:34.27 | dazjorz | dpkg show courier-mta |
| 19:34.31 | dazjorz | dpkg: show courier-mta |
| 19:34.32 | itchi | fazed: As hint: use a source package manager, to track down the files you have installed ;-) |
| 19:34.34 | dazjorz | :( |
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| 19:35.17 | hark | just install courier-imap or whatever you need... |
| 19:35.19 | fazed | itchi, im new to debian i only installed 3 hours ago |
| 19:35.21 | enouf | dazjorz: not sure this is what you want, but apt-depends courier-mta | less |
| 19:35.23 | valdyn | qwer: i cant recommend you a specific board, but i'd try to dodge nvidia chipsets. Lately their kernel support seems to be problematic |
| 19:35.29 | dazjorz | enouf: Ah, thanks! :) |
| 19:35.36 | enouf | dazjorz: ermm --> apt-rdepends courier-mta | less |
| 19:35.39 | itchi | fazed: Forget about compiling that thing then. |
| 19:35.41 | msingh | my WM uses the system wide menu file. I want to use that - but add in some of my own personal entries. is this possible? or otherwise what is the workaroudn hack? |
| 19:35.46 | dazjorz | ah |
| 19:35.47 | fazed | firefox 1.0.4 wont work with yahoo |
| 19:35.47 | dazjorz | ok |
| 19:36.14 | itchi | dazjorz: But the question may, why want you a decenter ff ? |
| 19:36.19 | enouf | dazjorz: you can also apt-cache show courier-mta and view it's depends |
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| 19:36.26 | valdyn | msingh: most certainly possible. |
| 19:36.26 | qwer | valdyn: for me it is very important that debian will support it. I am just not so firm in hardware |
| 19:36.33 | valdyn | msingh: try ~/.menu/ |
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| 19:36.39 | itchi | oeps, wrong nick haha |
| 19:36.54 | msingh | valdyn, hmm, i havent any file by that name |
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| 19:36.56 | itchi | fazed: But the question may, why want you a decenter ff ? |
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| 19:37.03 | enouf | msingh: man update-menus |
| 19:37.12 | itchi | fazed: sorry for that dup, look on backports site |
| 19:37.23 | Rambus | I'm running Sarge and just noticed when I type "free" only 900MB of RAM are listed, I've got 4GB. Any idea why the rest isn't being picked up? |
| 19:37.25 | itchi | fazed: Type /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:37.33 | dazjorz | itchi: err..what?! |
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| 19:37.38 | itchi | !backports |
| 19:37.39 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 19:37.40 | valdyn | Rambus: because you are using the wrong kernel |
| 19:37.43 | enouf | Rambus: install a -686 veriosn |
| 19:37.56 | valdyn | -686 already have highmem enabled? |
| 19:37.57 | enouf | Rambus: well .. tell us what you're running |
| 19:38.01 | hark | sarge |
| 19:38.01 | kevinl-- | (vmware:26783): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2 .0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) |
| 19:38.01 | kevinl-- | any ideas what this might mean? i read its a C++ ABI misatch. I dont really know what that means though : (vmware:26783): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2 .0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) |
| 19:38.02 | qwer | valdyn: do you know a site with upto date informatione which bards are supported? |
| 19:38.16 | itchi | fazed: with /msg dpkg backports you ask the bot dpkg to tell you about the factoid 'backports' |
| 19:38.17 | dazjorz | enouf: I just substituted apt-get install with apt-rdepends and put | less at the end, and it does what I want :) thanks |
| 19:38.17 | kevinl-- | sorry for the flood |
| 19:38.23 | valdyn | !hcl |
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| 19:38.24 | dpkg | from memory, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
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| 19:38.26 | dazjorz | courier-filter-perl requires courier-mta :) |
| 19:38.29 | itchi | fazed: See what dpkg told here about it ^^ |
| 19:38.45 | enouf | valdyn: I forget .. but 800-900MB issue is due to -386 vs -686 |
| 19:38.46 | dazjorz | so now I know what not to install :) |
| 19:38.53 | dazjorz | and it works! :) |
| 19:38.53 | fazed | itchi, how do i exit a man page ? |
| 19:38.59 | enouf | valdyn: depending .. over 4GB you want bigmem |
| 19:39.03 | itchi | fazed: hehe :-p |
| 19:39.05 | itchi | fazed: q |
| 19:39.24 | dazjorz | or is it better to just remove all postfix and _only_ use courier? |
| 19:39.25 | Rambus | enouf I'm using a backported img from kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ for Dell PowerEdge servers. Mainly to get the SATA and Ethernet working. |
| 19:39.26 | enouf | dazjorz: yep ;-) .. you can use -s yoo |
| 19:39.29 | enouf | er too* |
| 19:39.30 | dazjorz | it'd certainly make configuration easier, Ithink |
| 19:39.31 | fazed | thats the 1 |
| 19:39.36 | Rambus | You may be right... it's a 486 kernel |
| 19:39.38 | dazjorz | enouf: cool yoo ;) |
| 19:39.39 | valdyn | Rambus: what's your cpu? |
| 19:39.51 | qwer | dpkg: thx |
| 19:39.52 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 19:40.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:40.22 | Rambus | valdyn Intel core 2 |
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| 19:40.38 | enouf | you may not have an SMP version either |
| 19:40.41 | valdyn | Rambus: ok, you need an smp kernel anyway. get the -686-smp kernel |
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| 19:40.52 | setuid | Why does the netinst not support ext2 as a filesystem? |
| 19:40.52 | valdyn | Rambus: to support both cores and all your memory |
| 19:41.04 | enouf | does cat /proc/cpinfo list both cores? |
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| 19:41.10 | hark | setuid: but it does |
| 19:41.11 | abrotman | setuid: you can easily change it after install |
| 19:41.11 | enouf | erm cpuinfo |
| 19:41.16 | valdyn | setuid: it does, in a way, ext3 is ext2 |
| 19:41.17 | setuid | hark, Nope |
| 19:41.17 | abrotman | even if it doesn't .. which it should |
| 19:41.22 | setuid | valdyn, I know that |
| 19:41.27 | itchi | fazed: To kep it easy, download the .deb for your arch of http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox/ |
| 19:41.31 | valdyn | setuid: the difference is not in the fs, only in the drivers reading/writing it |
| 19:41.32 | setuid | But I don't want to have to remove the journal on /boot |
| 19:41.41 | setog3 | hi all.. I do a mistake and remove all libGL.so* in /usr/lib .. how can I reinstall that ? I use ati proprietary driver |
| 19:41.42 | abrotman | itchi: he should read the instructions there .. not just grab a deb |
| 19:41.42 | hark | hmm, it did for me |
| 19:41.56 | Rambus | It only has one processor though.... should it show up as two? |
| 19:42.00 | enouf | yep |
| 19:42.07 | enouf | Rambus: uname -r says? |
| 19:42.10 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, i know, i not want to afraid a new 3 hours ago Debian user ;-) |
| 19:42.10 | valdyn | Rambus: its 2 processors just in one chip |
| 19:42.14 | dazjorz | Bah |
| 19:42.22 | enouf | cat /proc/version says? Rambus |
| 19:42.24 | dazjorz | I guess postfix VS courier is a discussion many people already had |
| 19:42.25 | fazed | itchi, how do i delete directories via the command shell ? |
| 19:42.28 | dazjorz | what's the usual outcome? |
| 19:42.52 | Catachan | fazed, if you mean the bash terminal, then it would be "rm" or rmdir for directories |
| 19:42.53 | Rambus | enouf: just one proc info coems up. |
| 19:43.07 | enouf | I heard that already ;-) |
| 19:43.09 | itchi | fazed: You need to read some stuff :-p Try /msg dpkg grounding Kinda a gold mine |
| 19:43.26 | Rambus | enouf: 2.6.19-rc3-1-486 |
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| 19:43.31 | valdyn | setuid: what's wrong with ext3 vs ext2? |
| 19:43.39 | valdyn | setuid: don't tell me speed.. |
| 19:43.40 | setuid | valdyn, I want ext2 on /boot, period. |
| 19:43.48 | enouf | Rambus: see if kmuto has an SMP -686 that's .18 or similar |
| 19:43.54 | setuid | valdyn, Because its ro,noatime,noexec,etc. and I don't want journal corruption there |
| 19:43.55 | valdyn | setuid: so mount that ext3 partition as ext2 |
| 19:43.56 | Rambus | enouf: I could use aptitude to upgrade the kernel, correct? |
| 19:43.58 | Rambus | ok |
| 19:44.02 | setuid | I've been doing this long enough, I know what I'm doing |
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| 19:44.08 | setuid | Just odd that the installer doesn't support it directly |
| 19:44.13 | valdyn | setuid: then don't bother us |
| 19:44.19 | valdyn | setuid: file a bugreport, dont ask us |
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| 19:44.37 | setuid | valdyn, Excuse me, but that's what this channel is for... asking off-bugtracker questions (as well as other random fu) |
| 19:44.58 | enouf | setuid: store the journal elsewhere |
| 19:45.14 | setuid | enouf, I don't need or want a journal on /boot, so I'll wipe it after install and re-prep it |
| 19:45.23 | abrotman | setuid: etch installer ? |
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| 19:45.29 | setuid | Yes |
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| 19:45.48 | abrotman | setuid: ask the people in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:45.55 | setuid | abrotman, Yep, heading there |
| 19:45.57 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 19:46.01 | dazjorz | courier doesn't support tls? |
| 19:46.04 | abrotman | setuid: or .. do it manually in the terminal |
| 19:46.12 | xand | who cares if /boot is ext3 |
| 19:46.19 | hark | cmon, you can select ext2 |
| 19:46.25 | Bracki | Grrr, even wl assoclist shows i'm associated but still no success |
| 19:46.44 | Rambus | enouf: look like there is one with a 686 option now... will that address the highmem too? |
| 19:47.10 | valdyn | Rambus: get the -686-smp kernel... |
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| 19:47.24 | setog3 | !libGL.so |
| 19:47.24 | dpkg | hmm... libgl.so is the generic name for the GL library, if you don't have it, then install mesa and symlink libGL.so to libMesaGL.so |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | Rambus: -686 shouldnt support highmem, but i didnt actually look into its config |
| 19:47.31 | enouf | Rambus: welp .. it deoends .. on what CONFIG options are enabled in the kernel config.. like BIGMEM4G, and 64G |
| 19:47.33 | kingsley | valdyn: OK, I'm ready to show dmesg's output. Would you care to suggest a good place to paste it? |
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| 19:47.40 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:47.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 19:48.21 | Rambus | valdyn via aptitude or are you talking about the custom ISO for Dell servers that I got? |
| 19:48.40 | mfrisch | custom IBM cd ? |
| 19:48.50 | valdyn | Rambus: uname -r |
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| 19:49.01 | enouf | Rambus: see 8) http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ ..and note .. backported are backported .. ;-) |
| 19:49.01 | mfrisch | custom dell cd ? I mean |
| 19:49.06 | Rambus | valdyn: 2.6.19-rc3-1-486 |
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| 19:49.35 | valdyn | Rambus: ok, do you really need 2.6.19 for your hardware? |
| 19:49.53 | valdyn | Rambus: etch ships 2.6.18 kernels, for anything newer you will have to compile a kernel yourself |
| 19:50.02 | Rambus | valdyn... no.. but I need support for SATA and the ethernet on a Dell server. |
| 19:50.05 | fazed | is there any way to make synaptic look at the latest packages instead of out-of-date packages? |
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| 19:50.20 | enouf | also note (5) and (6) as well there Rambus |
| 19:50.21 | valdyn | Rambus: sure, those things could make 2.6.19+ required |
| 19:50.25 | dazjorz | eh |
| 19:50.44 | dazjorz | why does courier-* match gforge-mta-courier ?! |
| 19:50.56 | valdyn | Rambus: are you sticking to sarge though? |
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| 19:51.09 | enouf | fazed: your sources.list and branch will determine what apt-get update d/ls |
| 19:51.10 | Rambus | I think this ISO got the kernel from backports, I remember seeing something about the new kernel naming. |
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| 19:51.19 | Rambus | Valdyn yes. |
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| 19:52.05 | Drakeson | where should I ask question about inclusion of new versions in unstable? |
| 19:52.14 | Rambus | valdyn: I'm using the ISO from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:52.18 | Drakeson | *questions |
| 19:52.18 | valdyn | Rambus: backports.org has 2.6.18 kernels, but as i said, you may need 2.6.19+, so you'd have to build one yourself |
| 19:52.21 | archville | Is it possible to resize root partition without using a LiveCD ? |
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| 19:52.28 | Rambus | He's now got a 2.6.20 version with 686 |
| 19:52.30 | abrotman | valdyn: kmuto has a 2.6.20 now |
| 19:52.35 | enouf | !Simple Sid Backport |
| 19:52.35 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 19:52.47 | enouf | meh |
| 19:52.59 | valdyn | abrotman: that doesnt fix his smp / highmem, or does kmuto ship those now? |
| 19:53.11 | abrotman | what's wrong with it? |
| 19:53.32 | abrotman | he just needs a -686 kernel |
| 19:53.34 | valdyn | abrotman: wrong? kmutos installer doesnt support either. |
| 19:53.38 | abrotman | for the RAM i mean |
| 19:53.41 | EruditeHermit | hey is there anyway to unraid a raid 1 array and just use it as a single disk without reformatting/reinstalling? |
| 19:53.46 | Rambus | kmuto now has a release with 2.6.20, -686 SMP support. |
| 19:53.49 | abrotman | -486 doesn't support more because IIRC .. the 486 can't address that much |
| 19:53.50 | enouf | with 4GB only, and a 32bit x86, he might only get 3.2-3.5GB avail, but that's better than 800MB ;-) |
| 19:54.14 | abrotman | Rambus: is it for a server? |
| 19:54.23 | Rambus | abrotman yep |
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| 19:54.40 | abrotman | Rambus: if the kmuto has -686 with SMP .. that should be it |
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| 19:54.50 | Rambus | ok.. thanks. |
| 19:54.53 | Rambus | I'll give it a try. |
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| 19:55.44 | aronofsky | hi |
| 19:55.45 | abrotman | Rambus: FYI -- though etch isn't released yet .. i have it running on a dual core with >1GB RAM .. works fine .. but not recommended for a server yet (give it a week or two) |
| 19:56.21 | dazjorz | why is courier-mta not set as a mail-transfer-agent ? |
| 19:56.28 | enouf | dpkg: giawo2 is FYI -- though etch isn't released yet .. i have it running on a dual core with >1GB RAM .. works fine .. but not recommended for a server yet (give it a week or two) |
| 19:56.29 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 19:56.33 | Rambus | etch is going stable in a week? |
| 19:56.48 | Rambus | abrotman: etch is going stable in a week? |
| 19:56.52 | valdyn | dazjorz: its 'mail-tranport-agent', which it is |
| 19:56.58 | dazjorz | er |
| 19:57.00 | dazjorz | valdyn: oh, okay |
| 19:57.05 | abrotman | Rambus: when it's ready really .. but there are ~30 RC bugs left |
| 19:57.18 | aronofsky | I just install a debian etch and I cant reach security.debian.org when I do aptitude update, is it normal ? |
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| 19:57.29 | abrotman | aronofsky: hit ctrl-c .. try again .. one of them is down |
| 19:57.39 | xand | valdyn: it's transfer not transport |
| 19:58.01 | valdyn | xand: Provides: mail-transport-agent |
| 19:58.01 | bzed | Rambus: I'll upload a 2.6.20.4-686 in a few minutes |
| 19:58.11 | bzed | Rambus: build for etch desktops |
| 19:58.26 | xand | valdyn: that's not the correct meaning of "mta" though |
| 19:58.26 | abrotman | bzed: he already has it available i think |
| 19:58.35 | mfrisch | bzed: where were you when I needed a custom kernel? |
| 19:58.35 | Rambus | abrotman: lets say I did get the current etch... it should be find once it goes stable, right? |
| 19:58.43 | valdyn | xand: sure, but debian uses it |
| 19:58.44 | abrotman | bzed: and honestly .. he should use the etch kernel if possible |
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| 19:59.02 | aronofsky | abrotman, it just works, thx |
| 19:59.03 | abrotman | Rambus: yes .. but i wouldn't let anything on the internet touch it until etch releases |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | Rambus: this is an external or internal server ? |
| 19:59.39 | Rambus | bzed So... should I hold off getting this current 2.6.20 release? |
| 19:59.50 | kingsley | An error message and log info associated with broken SCSI are at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5865. |
| 19:59.58 | bzed | Rambus: are you only looking for the kernel or for a full isntaller? |
| 20:00.06 | enouf | Rambus: remember, if you do go to etch .. keep "etch" (in sources.list), not "testing" :-) .. |
| 20:00.13 | abrotman | kingsley: so it's an ide scanner ? |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | kingsley: or USB ? |
| 20:00.35 | Rambus | bzed Full install, I've been using the ISO's. Just noticed no SMP and highmem. |
| 20:00.39 | aronofsky | another question, I create a script to apply my iptables rules , I want to start it auomaticaly on boot time and i wonder where is the right place to put it, rc2.d ? rcS.d ? and in what place, just before netwerking ? just after ? |
| 20:00.45 | kingsley | abrotman: It's a SCSI scanner. |
| 20:00.48 | abrotman | Rambus: so it works with sarge? just no highmem or SMP ? |
| 20:00.51 | bzed | Rambus: did you try the normal etch installer? |
| 20:00.59 | abrotman | kingsley: lsscsi ? |
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| 20:01.17 | bzed | Rambus: if it installs just fine, everything is ok for you, you can add a better suited kernel always. |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | Rambus: is sarge on it right now ? |
| 20:01.32 | bzed | Rambus: as long as it installs and boots, stay with the etch installer |
| 20:01.33 | kingsley | abrotman: lsscsi reports: |
| 20:01.33 | Rambus | abrotman: Yes.. these ISO's are sarge with some backports to allow SATA and eth on a Dell poweredge. |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 20:01.48 | abrotman | just try to find a -smp-686 |
| 20:01.52 | kingsley | [0:0:2:0] tape HP HP35480A T503 /dev/st0 |
| 20:01.52 | kingsley | [0:0:4:0] scanner UMAX Astra 1200S V2.9 - |
| 20:01.55 | bzed | Rambus: then I still suggest you makle sure the installer will install testing :) |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | in sarge .. the -386 don't support >900MB RAM |
| 20:02.12 | valdyn | kingsley: lssci has nothing to do with 'scsi' the hardware |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | kingsley: everything is scsi now in linux, even ide |
| 20:02.31 | Rambus | bzed: I'm using an older 2.6.19 ISO from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:02.39 | aronofsky | anyone about my ipables question ? |
| 20:02.45 | abrotman | Rambus: external or internal ? |
| 20:02.45 | Rambus | bzed: Going to try the 2.6.20 with smp |
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| 20:02.54 | xand | eh |
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| 20:02.59 | xand | since when does etch have 2.6.19? |
| 20:03.03 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 20:03.13 | xand | wtf is Rambus talkign about then |
| 20:03.16 | valdyn | looks like an ide scanner on usb? that exists? |
| 20:03.28 | melodos | hi , can someone tell me how can i see the hiden fileS?\ |
| 20:03.35 | xand | melodos: ls -a |
| 20:03.43 | melodos | not using cl |
| 20:03.49 | xand | what? |
| 20:03.54 | melodos | command line |
| 20:03.59 | xand | using what then? |
| 20:04.11 | melodos | just on the folder brwoser |
| 20:04.13 | abrotman | konq? nautilus? xfe? |
| 20:04.15 | mfrisch | melodos: change your filebrowser to see them? |
| 20:04.18 | xand | which one? |
| 20:04.19 | melodos | how? |
| 20:04.22 | xand | which one? |
| 20:04.23 | melodos | nautilus |
| 20:04.25 | enouf | kingsley: tried sane? |
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| 20:04.54 | Rambus | uname -r 2.6.19-rc3-1-486 |
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| 20:05.04 | FromTO | does anyone know where I can order a debian box with multiplemonitors. |
| 20:05.05 | xand | melodos: did you think of looking in Preferences? |
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| 20:05.19 | simonrvn | or right clicking |
| 20:05.36 | hark | or the View menu |
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| 20:05.42 | mfrisch | FromTO: this is not order a box |
| 20:05.45 | melodos | xand: thanx dude |
| 20:05.48 | msingh | :( |
| 20:05.54 | msingh | i hate unix :/ |
| 20:06.02 | xand | GNU! |
| 20:06.04 | xand | !gnu |
| 20:06.04 | dpkg | it has been said that gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 20:06.04 | robin_sz | FromTO, yes |
| 20:06.06 | yang | How can i reconfigure passwd file to use shadowed passwords (passwords are visible now n /etc/passwd) |
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| 20:06.44 | FromTO | robin_sz: where |
| 20:06.45 | Xires | yang; shadow-utils not installed? |
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| 20:07.02 | yang | Xires: nope |
| 20:07.13 | robin_sz | FromTO, Dell |
| 20:07.16 | kingsley | enouf: Thanks for asking. xsane works fine with other versions of the kernel, but with 2.6.18-4-k7, it reports "no devices available". The output of sane-find-scanner is at the paste-bin sitge I mentioned above. |
| 20:07.23 | torrrr | msingh, it is not unix fault, its the developers who puts out poorly documented and with poor interface programs |
| 20:07.28 | mfrisch | robin_sz: really? |
| 20:07.45 | xand | jeez... the hidden file option was REALLY OBVIOUS |
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| 20:07.54 | enouf | kingsley: are you using KDE or something ? |
| 20:07.57 | robin_sz | mfrisch, yes, you can order boxes from Dell, with multiple minitors that will run Debian |
| 20:08.06 | Xires | yang; install package 'passwd' & run shadowconfig |
| 20:08.11 | enouf | kingsley: go into kcontrol center and poke around |
| 20:08.16 | mfrisch | robin_sz: twisting words. I am sure you can. |
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| 20:08.26 | FromTO | robin_sz: thanks but I thought dell comes with red hat |
| 20:08.48 | xand | FromTO: install debian yourself |
| 20:09.06 | simonrvn | passwd is already installed by default... |
| 20:09.50 | valdyn | kingsley: found USB scanner (vendor=0x046d, product=0x0921) at libusb:001:002 |
| 20:09.50 | yang | Xires: thanks a lot ! |
| 20:10.03 | valdyn | kingsley: what about that? |
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| 20:10.32 | rvsjoen | anyone know where I can find information about the different modules available in xorg ? like i2c, bitmap, ddc, dri etc. |
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| 20:10.48 | Xires | yang; not a problem |
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| 20:10.54 | FromTO | xand: what I want is something that zenview has for windows http://www.digitaltigers.com/zenview.shtml but I am pretty sure I will run into problems installing debian myself |
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| 20:11.30 | bzed | Rambus: you don;t need an isntaller that supports SMP |
| 20:11.31 | simonrvn | rvsjoen: man X ? |
| 20:11.36 | robin_sz | FromTO, how many times have you installed Debian? |
| 20:11.54 | abrotman | i can't even count! .. i ran out of fingers and toes |
| 20:11.58 | kingsley | enouf: I'm not using KDE, but for what it's worth, kcontrol center doesn't report a scanner. |
| 20:12.03 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
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| 20:12.14 | scruffy | security.debian.org having issues? |
| 20:12.17 | valdyn | kingsley: your sane is reporting a found usb scanner, what's wrong with it? |
| 20:12.26 | abrotman | scruffy: hit ctrl-c .. try again .. one is down |
| 20:12.31 | xand | FromTO: that's what this channel is for :P |
| 20:12.44 | FromTO | robin_sz I have used debian for about 5-6 years installed it many times but I do know my limit |
| 20:12.52 | enouf | kingsley: check your /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libsane.rules perhaps .. and look at /etc/sane.d/hp* |
| 20:12.53 | rvsjoen | simonrvn : i've been navigating the man pages and i'm having a hard time finding it, just wondering is there was some other place to look. thanks anyway :) |
| 20:12.55 | scruffy | abrotman: ahh thanks |
| 20:13.04 | bzed | FromTO: I'm pretty sure X had this function times before microsoft even thought about it |
| 20:13.16 | rvsjoen | anyway, have to go now :) |
| 20:13.27 | kingsley | valdyn: I also noticed that sane-find-scanner said it found a USB scanner. However, I'm not sure what to make of it because the scanner is SCSI. |
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| 20:13.49 | robin_sz | FromTO, well, what on earth makes you think multiple monitors will be ANY harder .. you just do "startx -xinerama" (as I rememerb on the last multi-monitor box I installed) |
| 20:13.52 | enouf | kingsley: if you're not using kde (but it's installed?) .. try setting it up through there maybe .. but check out gnome-control-center, and the other stuff I said |
| 20:14.15 | kingsley | enouf: /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libsane.rules doesn't exist. |
| 20:14.23 | enouf | heh |
| 20:14.23 | scruffy | abrotman: looks like more than one is having problems.. at least .250 and .32 aren' |
| 20:15.52 | Onur | Hi. I create a makefile script for my java project. But how can i enter a directory and working in this directory with makefile? |
| 20:15.53 | scruffy | abrotman: looks like more than one is having problems.. at least .250 and .32 aren't responding |
| 20:15.53 | enouf | it does here ;-) |
| 20:15.53 | enouf | and i don;t even have a Scanner :-P |
| 20:15.53 | enouf | ermm hooked up anyways .. |
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| 20:15.53 | kingsley | enouf: Can you elaborate on what to look for in /etc/sane.d/hp*? |
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| 20:15.55 | enouf | your model #? |
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| 20:17.50 | FromTO | robin_sz will check it out thanks |
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| 20:19.17 | abrotman_ | scruffy: i had that happen earlier |
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| 20:35.24 | eilker | !ops |
| 20:35.25 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 20:35.25 | kingsley | valdyn: Yes, I've been using the scanner for years with earlier versions of the kernel. It stopped working after upgrading to version 2.6.18-4-k7. |
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| 20:35.25 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 20:35.26 | abrotman | eilker: why would you want them? |
| 20:35.27 | eilker | <abrotman> what is happening ? |
| 20:35.28 | valdyn | kingsley: run 'scanimage -L' as suggested.. |
| 20:35.28 | eilker | <abrotman> many people joins to channel at the same time |
| 20:35.28 | sparrw | how can i run a process as a user who cant be logged in? |
| 20:35.28 | markybob | wtf |
| 20:35.28 | peterS | eilker: it's called a netsplit, they happen several times a week |
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| 20:35.29 | {nathan} | Is there a way that I can swap esc and caps lock? |
| 20:35.29 | peterS | sparrw: su username -c command line |
| 20:35.29 | eilker | peterS: why _? |
| 20:35.29 | krazykit | {nathan}, yeah, with xmodmap |
| 20:35.29 | sparrw | peterS: thanks |
| 20:35.29 | enouf | itchi: ?? .. say again |
| 20:35.30 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.30 | kingsley | valdyn: "scanimage -L" reports "No scanners were identified. <bla bla bla> try sane-find-scanner tool" (It doesn't work). |
| 20:35.30 | krazykit | {nathan}, that, a knife, and a screwdriver |
| 20:35.30 | markybob | eilker, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
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| 20:35.31 | peterS | eilker: an IRC network comprises many servers. you connect to just one server. if the connection between two servers ever goes bad and needs to be reestablished, it's called a netsplit and the users connected to the affected server seem to "disappear" from all channels for the length of time it takes |
| 20:35.31 | enouf | itchi: the single back tick ` ? |
| 20:35.32 | enouf | instead of two ' ' s ? itchi |
| 20:35.32 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, why that's used instead of 'foo', i can understand `foo` too |
| 20:35.32 | itchi | enouf: But `bla' looks so weird :-p |
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| 20:35.33 | peterS | itchi: classic bitmap fonts have ` and ' as matching single-quote marks. even though ' is intended to be a straight vertical mark and ` intended to be almost a grave accent. |
| 20:35.33 | DA_Busy | Hello. I installed a new NIC. I used to use the onboard NIC, on eth0, but due to driver issues, I switched to a PCI one. I looked at man 5 interface(s?), but got nowhere. |
| 20:35.33 | itchi | peterS: like è ? |
| 20:35.34 | sparrw | peterS: how else? |
| 20:35.34 | enouf | itchi: well the surrounding with backticks, makes bach interpret the command contained within (as an input command) |
| 20:35.35 | DA_Busy | I tried making a new interface called eth1 and ifup it, but it times out on DHCP |
| 20:35.36 | peterS | itchi: yes, but by itself. anyway, in my font, `blah' looks fine, the two quotes match each other |
| 20:35.36 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, if there's both `date` for example |
| 20:35.36 | dexomsrc | I have Debian on my /dev/sda HDD and Windows on my /dev/sdb, how should I add an entry to GRUB for that Windows install on sdb? |
| 20:35.36 | valdyn | kingsley: im not familiar with sane, so you'll have to read the documentation yourself, you can already check if you have a scanner device listed in /dev/, and you need to read the docs to manually pick a backend to use, or stick to your old kernel |
| 20:35.36 | DA_Busy | Can anyone give me a hand? I'm running Etch, kernel 2.6.20.4 |
| 20:35.36 | enouf | itchi: `uname -r` == $(uname -r), and the latter is more desireable I guess |
| 20:35.36 | itchi | peterS: Yeah, i need to push that in my name |
| 20:35.36 | markybob | dexomsrc, there's a windows example in the menu.lst file |
| 20:35.37 | itchi | wait, gona install backticks in my brain :-p |
| 20:35.37 | DA_Busy | Hello? :) |
| 20:35.37 | enouf | itchi: I see that all over the place as well .. web pages, text docs .. I don;t know .. some font funk shit :-P |
| 20:35.37 | valdyn | kingsley: some component thinks its a usb device, makeing it not fit into the list of known scanners, that's no big deal in itself |
| 20:35.37 | itchi | enouf: `old' docs :-s |
| 20:35.37 | enouf | heh .. |
| 20:35.38 | itchi | enouf: Mostly |
| 20:35.38 | eilker | peterS> yeah got it, thanx |
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| 20:35.38 | abrotman | eilker: it's called a netsplit .. it happens |
| 20:35.39 | abrotman | oh .. whoops |
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| 20:35.39 | dexomsrc | markybob: In GRUB language, would sdb be "(hd1,0)"? |
| 20:35.40 | Bracki | wlan0:no ipv6 routers present < could this be the reason why i cant get a dhcp address for my wlan card? |
| 20:35.40 | markybob | dexomsrc, 1st partition, right? then yeah |
| 20:35.40 | kingsley | valdyn: It's a tricky problem. There's no /dev/scanner, but /dev/sg1 does exist and xsane fails to open it. Perhaps I should create a /dev/scanner and see waht happens, but I doubt that would address what I perceive as the more fundamental problem, sane-find-scanner not finding a SCSI scanner. |
| 20:35.40 | dexomsrc | yes |
| 20:35.40 | dexomsrc | well it would hit the MBR I assume |
| 20:35.40 | DA_Busy | Can anyone please help me out? My question is in the scrollback |
| 20:35.40 | dexomsrc | but sdb1 is where Windows is so that or the MBR of sdb would work |
| 20:35.41 | enouf | dexomsrc: you may want to use the map command in grub |
| 20:35.41 | valdyn | kingsley: scanimage -d umax:/dev/sg1 |
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| 20:35.41 | enouf | dexomsrc: to fool windows into thinking it's 1st HDD |
| 20:35.41 | enouf | dexomsrc: see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm and follow links also to Official docs |
| 20:35.44 | enouf | !tell DA_Busy about interfaces |
| 20:35.44 | itchi | My personal FAQ become big :-) |
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| 20:35.44 | enouf | DA_Busy: does lspci list your card? |
| 20:35.45 | itchi | Thanks agian guys! :-) |
| 20:35.45 | enouf | itchi: it's a grower :-) |
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| 20:35.45 | itchi | hehe |
| 20:35.45 | dexomsrc | enouf: I would think that WIndows wouldn't care one bit about sda where Debian is seeing as all the partitions on sda are ext3. As long as GRUB points to sdb to boot then Windows starts up it shouldn't matter, right? |
| 20:35.45 | dexomsrc | Or am I assuming too much? |
| 20:35.45 | enouf | dexomsrc: and you would be incorrect ;-) |
| 20:35.46 | DA_Busy | enouf: I already read that man page |
| 20:35.46 | enouf | IINM |
| 20:35.46 | DA_Busy | And yes |
| 20:35.46 | enouf | there's more to that factoid than a ,mna page |
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| 20:35.46 | peterS | dexomsrc: hard to say. sdb means the second SCSI disk discovered by the Linux kernel. hd1 means the second hard disk of any type discovered by the PC BIOS. the two are not always related. |
| 20:35.47 | DA_Busy | enouf: But what, then? |
| 20:35.48 | enouf | DA_Busy: check your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 20:35.48 | dexomsrc | peterS: Well I have 2 HDDs on my VIA SATA RAID controller (no RAID configured though) and the secondary one as recognized by my BIOS is indeed one and the same as sdb as recognized by Debian... that's the HDD with Windows |
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| 20:36.33 | groton | hello all. to rsync a whole partition, do i need to mount that partition read only? |
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| 20:38.06 | anarcat | i'm having trouble getting a Xen domU finding the network interface |
| 20:38.13 | anarcat | anyone got a domU to boot properly here? :) |
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| 20:39.02 | enouf | !be udev barbie |
| 20:39.02 | dpkg | udev is hard! |
| 20:39.22 | Onur | I am in ~. Can i run a program in /anotherdir |
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| 20:39.48 | peterS | Onur: uh, you can run a program in any directory. if the directory isn't in your PATH, you need to type the whole pathname, not just the name of the program |
| 20:39.55 | kingsley | valdyn: It turned out that /dev/sg1 had the wrong permissions under the new kernel. I'm told this is a problem with udev. |
| 20:39.58 | enouf | dpkg: finding the factoid that contains info about /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules is |
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| 20:40.03 | docelic | what's going on with ntpdate? For the first time ever, I'm seeing "no server suitable for synchronization found" |
| 20:40.07 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is a good way to set up alot of debian / otherlinux boxes via pxe boot with mildly differing configurations? |
| 20:40.18 | enouf | heh |
| 20:40.28 | docelic | evilbulgarian, digby, puppet |
| 20:40.36 | tore | Mar 28 22:40:24 monster postfix/trivial-rewrite[14605]: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf(0,100): table lookup problem |
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| 20:40.44 | evilbulgarian | docelic: thanks |
| 20:40.45 | tore | I keep getting this. anyone that have seen it before? |
| 20:40.50 | tore | the tables in mysql looks fine |
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| 20:41.13 | vma | hello everybody |
| 20:41.15 | Onur | peterS: i wanna run a command in /xxx but i am in ~. |
| 20:41.23 | peterS | so type /xxx/commandname |
| 20:41.38 | enouf | nice Dir name ;-) |
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| 20:42.05 | moconnor | When I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" I get a package which says it's going to be held back (package is something I created). However, if I do "apt-get install foo", where foo is the package being held back, it works fine. How do I figure out why dist-upgrade wants to hold the package back but directly installing the package works? |
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| 20:42.41 | Onur | peterS: program isn't in /xxx. I wanna run maybe mv x y but x and y in the /xxx. But i wanna run this command in ~ or another directory |
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| 20:42.59 | peterS | Onur: so mv /xxx/x /xxx/y |
| 20:43.13 | Onur | it's not mv |
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| 20:43.22 | Onur | mv is a sample |
| 20:43.26 | JensB | moconnor, packages are held back if they depend on stuf that would not be installed by default |
| 20:43.37 | vma | I have a permission problem with udev 0.105-4 and kernel 2.6.18-4-vserver-686 |
| 20:43.38 | JensB | moconnor, eg. packages that delete or replace other packages (AFAIK) |
| 20:43.54 | peterS | Onur: you keep lying to me. I think I'll stop helping you now. every time you tell me what you want, I tell you how to do it, then you say "no actually I lied, I want something else instead" |
| 20:44.12 | vma | At boot, /dev/null has bad permission and I cannot start screen as user |
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| 20:44.18 | moconnor | JensB: that's exactly what this package is doing. It's a metapackage that depends on postfix and some other stuff. It's replacing an earlier version of itself that depends on exim4. |
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| 20:44.37 | chisno | holaps |
| 20:44.39 | chisno | hi |
| 20:44.45 | JensB | moconnor, so there you are |
| 20:44.59 | vma | Anybody have already seen this ? |
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| 20:46.51 | Onur | peterS; i dont explain, my english not enough |
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| 20:49.37 | vma | Nobody ? |
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| 20:49.57 | abrotman | Onur: so what language do you speak ? |
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| 20:52.09 | jstevens | Anybody know if wmaker allows for a horizontal dock? |
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| 20:57.06 | markybob | abrotman, the language of death...mmhauahahha |
| 20:57.16 | abrotman | that's not funny |
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| 20:57.32 | markybob | heh :) |
| 20:57.47 | argonel | how do you get from a real console back into a running X session? |
| 20:57.48 | mfrisch | abrotman: do the sms senders work on us services? |
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| 20:58.06 | ManuP | a friend donates me a cpu (amd athlon xp 4000+) and ram (2GB corsaire) because his MB broke. so i am going to build me a PC. which Motherboard would you recommend? |
| 20:58.23 | ManuP | i want only Hardware which is fully supported by linux ^^ |
| 20:58.34 | Xires | one that supports the CPU & RAM ;-P |
| 20:58.46 | ManuP | Xires, very funny |
| 20:58.49 | jstevens | argonel: How did you get to the console? Did you ctrl-alt-f1 or kill X? |
| 20:58.49 | Bawbag | What is the purpose of an overflow channel? Are people sent there when they try to join the original channel once the number of users has met the set limit? |
| 20:59.03 | argonel | jstevens: chose "console login" from kdm |
| 20:59.06 | Xires | I thought so |
| 20:59.07 | ManuP | Xires, and i wanted to take an intel-board... how silly of me :P |
| 20:59.21 | Xires | ManuP; see, that's why I'm here..to point out things like that |
| 20:59.32 | argonel | jstevens: this latest time, but other times control-alt-f1 |
| 20:59.50 | Xires | ManuP; are you planning to use SATA with the machine? |
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| 20:59.56 | mfrisch | ManuP: google is good to look around. |
| 21:00.01 | argonel | (the session wouldn't be running if i killed X, would it?) |
| 21:00.13 | abrotman | mfrisch: eh ? |
| 21:00.16 | ManuP | Xires, ah, okay. so you might help me here: i put my wet socks over the hair dryer, but then, the hair dryer broke... :( |
| 21:00.22 | abrotman | ManuP: ask #hardware |
| 21:00.28 | jstevens | argonel: Oh, I'm not familiar with kdm. I've used xdm and gdm. What happens if you exit your console session? |
| 21:00.34 | ManuP | Xires, yeah, want to use sata |
| 21:00.40 | argonel | jstevens: i get a login prompt |
| 21:00.52 | jstevens | argonel: Ahh, do a ps and see if kdm is still running. |
| 21:00.57 | Xires | ManuP; you didn't spin 3 times in the shower w/ the hair dryer, did you? that could jinx it |
| 21:00.57 | ManuP | abrotman, is it linux-specific? |
| 21:00.58 | mfrisch | abrotman: oh I think one is called smsclient I do not know if they work with US cells. |
| 21:01.00 | argonel | jstevens: it is |
| 21:01.22 | argonel | jstevens: but i can't get back to X if i control-alt-f1 either |
| 21:01.26 | mfrisch | abrotman: I guess my question is how do you send a sms in US |
| 21:01.27 | Mr-R | argonel: try alt-f7 |
| 21:01.32 | abrotman | ManuP: this channel or #hardware? you were just asking which mobo is good |
| 21:01.34 | argonel | Mr-R: nothing happens |
| 21:01.42 | ManuP | Xires, i plan to use sata even in raid 0. if i have enought money... |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | Bawbag: to keep join-flooding under control |
| 21:01.55 | Xires | ManuP; K, I'm searching |
| 21:01.58 | jstevens | argonel: Sorry. Wish I could help you with that. You could always restart kdm: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 21:02.06 | Bawbag | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 21:02.11 | jstevens | argonel: But that likely isn't the 'right' way. |
| 21:02.13 | ManuP | abrotman, is #hardware linux specific? |
| 21:02.19 | argonel | jstevens: well, thats what i do.. but it sucks if i have a fully running session :) |
| 21:02.27 | jstevens | Yeah |
| 21:02.29 | jstevens | Sorry |
| 21:02.32 | Xires | ManuP; might I suggest checking somewhere like pricewatch.com..if you check the CPU & MoBo combos..then find the CPU, it eliminates some of the compatibility searching |
| 21:02.33 | Mr-R | argonel: then as root "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" |
| 21:02.49 | Xires | and should provide you with a small list of popular boards |
| 21:02.56 | argonel | how/where is the alt-f7 which takes you back to X configured? |
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| 21:03.06 | Bracki | lets say im building a module w/ m-a. Can i just copy the debian/* stuff and use a nightly tarball instead of the source that's delivered with etch? |
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| 21:03.10 | ManuP | Xires, okay, i'll have a look. |
| 21:03.22 | bzed | Bracki: you can try it |
| 21:03.23 | argonel | killing kdm is about as elegant as pulling the plug from the wall |
| 21:03.31 | jstevens | Anyone know if the WindowMaker dock can be made to run horizontally? |
| 21:03.36 | ManuP | Xires, are there some elements which ~shouldnt~ be on the MB? |
| 21:03.37 | Mr-R | argonel: on console 7 is the x window manager by default |
| 21:03.47 | ManuP | Xires, i think at Marvell Lan or alike |
| 21:03.53 | argonel | Mr-R: how is that configured? |
| 21:04.01 | Bracki | bzed: So if there wasnt a change in the modules makefile etc. it could work, yes? |
| 21:04.20 | Mr-R | argonel: i assumed you have a running x server |
| 21:04.21 | abrotman | ManuP: no .. is your question ? |
| 21:04.27 | argonel | Mr-R: yep |
| 21:04.30 | bzed | Bracki: in thereory debian's .diff is not supposed to change anythign on the code, that should happen while building |
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| 21:04.46 | Xires | ManuP; personally I go with the philosophy that things like video & sound shouldn't be integrated into the MoBo |
| 21:05.02 | Mr-R | argonel: then alt-f7 should work. try alt-f2 up to alt-f12... :) |
| 21:05.19 | ManuP | abrotman, okay, so there area also mac and win people around in #hardware... okay |
| 21:05.24 | enouf | argonel: see /etc/inittab |
| 21:05.27 | Xires | ManuP; the sound thing is just a personal preference(as I prefer my own cards because I work w/ MIDI allot) |
| 21:05.39 | argonel | Mr-R: i can change to consoles 1-6, but 7 and up do nothing |
| 21:05.52 | bzed | Xires: imho it's ok to have sound in the mobo, there're good sound chips for mobos. if you need something really good you can still add a card. but video onboard is only for think clients imho. |
| 21:05.57 | Mr-R | argonel: i just scrolled up to read your first answers. i think your x is not running any longer. try the restart... |
| 21:06.06 | Xires | ManuP; but at the least, I'd suggest something that does not include video..most that do either have heat issues or use something like SMA(Shared Memory Architecture) |
| 21:06.13 | ManuP | Xires, yeah, i will need an pci-express graphiccard which will cost me about 120€ ;/ |
| 21:06.19 | argonel | Mr-R: i'm in X now :) |
| 21:06.20 | bzed | Xires: and even if you have an extra sound card, you can still use the mobo's card for the fun stuff while doing serious stuff via the good one |
| 21:06.26 | Xires | bzed; agreed |
| 21:06.35 | argonel | Mr-R: but if i go back to console 1, i'm stuck, can't get back to X |
| 21:06.59 | argonel | enouf: there is no mention of console 7 in my inittab |
| 21:07.02 | bzed | Xires: like skyping via the mobo while mixing via the other soundcard. |
| 21:07.12 | Mr-R | argonel: from console you should change back by pressing alt-f7. _if_ the x is running |
| 21:07.17 | enouf | argonel: but 1-6 are :-) |
| 21:07.24 | Xires | argonel; that's the reason it uses console 7 for X..because it's not being taken up in /etc/inittab |
| 21:07.53 | argonel | is there a way to tell X to use console 9? |
| 21:07.56 | Mr-R | argonel: and the kdm-function "access console" shuts down the x server |
| 21:08.02 | Mr-R | afaik |
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| 21:08.21 | enouf | argonel: look at output of ps aux | grep X |
| 21:08.23 | argonel | Mr-R: no, it remains running, i have to /etc/init.d/restart or stop then start |
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| 21:09.02 | Xires | bzed; true..but I've had problems in the past with some sound drivers not working w/ other cards in the system..I use specialized cards when I can..from SweetWater |
| 21:09.08 | argonel | enouf: looks ok.. /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth blah |
| 21:09.19 | enouf | vt7 |
| 21:09.28 | argonel | so thats alt-7, no? |
| 21:09.35 | enouf | yep |
| 21:09.40 | Xires | bzed; these are cards w/ 64+ MBs of RAM dedicated on the soundboard |
| 21:09.51 | bzed | Xires: sounds like something I'd like to have :D |
| 21:09.58 | Xires | ManuP; is pricewatch yielding any results? |
| 21:10.03 | bzed | Xires: do they bring their own drivers? or supported by alsa? |
| 21:10.13 | argonel | so wtf can get in the way to stop alt-7 from going to vt7? |
| 21:10.25 | Xires | bzed; my stepfather has an extra card he might consider selling if you'd be interested |
| 21:10.27 | enouf | bad video drivers argonel |
| 21:10.44 | argonel | err |
| 21:10.55 | bzed | Xires: no, thanks. neuither have the time nor the money for something like that actually |
| 21:11.00 | Xires | bzed; they generally use their own drivers..for Win or Mac..I've rarely had luck in getting them to work in Linux, actually |
| 21:11.08 | argonel | enouf: it doesn't switch to a blank screen, it the keystroke literally does nothing |
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| 21:11.21 | argonel | s/it the// |
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| 21:11.43 | Morris | hi guys |
| 21:11.48 | Mr-R | argonel: we speak about alt-f7 and not ctrl-alt-f7? |
| 21:12.02 | argonel | Mr-R: right, because i'm going from the vt back to X |
| 21:12.02 | Morris | after installing my wifi card, how do i find out what the mac address of the card is?? |
| 21:12.03 | enouf | argonel: see what xmodmap -pk syas .. sounds like a keybinding or hotkey / metakey issue |
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| 21:12.35 | Mark17 | hello |
| 21:12.42 | argonel | enouf: xmodmap would affect keybindings while *in* the vt? |
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| 21:12.54 | enouf | argonel: they're all vts |
| 21:13.01 | enouf | well .. |
| 21:13.25 | enouf | when you drop to tty they're not .. but when usig xterm, theyr'e pts |
| 21:13.25 | argonel | xmodmap says a lot.. what am i looking for? |
| 21:13.39 | argonel | my xterms work fine |
| 21:13.41 | Mark17 | where can i change the host for mysql when i install php with apt-get install php4? |
| 21:13.56 | maddash | Mark17: #mysql |
| 21:14.02 | argonel | so maybe the keybindings for the tty are borked? |
| 21:14.07 | enouf | argonel: |
| 21:14.08 | enouf | xmodmap -pk | grep F7 |
| 21:14.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.15 | k-man | how can i cut and paste between icedove and an xterm? |
| 21:14.30 | bzed | Xires: if i'd do something with music on the cmoputer than under linux.. using lmms, jackd and things like that |
| 21:14.33 | argonel | enouf: thats what it says |
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| 21:15.19 | Xires | k-man; highlight the text & middle-click to paste |
| 21:15.32 | enouf | argonel: but your alt- key is usually called someshit like meta something .. man loadkeys, dumpkeys, setxkbmap, etc .. also /msg dpkg console-data, /msg dpkg xmodmap, /msg dpkg keymap |
| 21:15.40 | Xires | bzed; sorry, I didn't understand what you meant..can you rephrase? |
| 21:15.43 | k-man | Xires, doesn't work between xterm and icedove for me |
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| 21:15.57 | k-man | Xires, selecting in icedove and pasting into xterm |
| 21:15.59 | kevinl-- | hello |
| 21:16.01 | enouf | argonel: have you been messing around in some DE Control center with hot key bindings and shit? |
| 21:16.12 | Mark17 | maddash: but there is no file to change it that you know (mysql connect from localhost to an external IP (same subnet))? |
| 21:16.18 | Morris | i did "ifconfig ath0 destroy" now ... how can i get ath0 back up so it shows in ifconfig?? |
| 21:16.19 | enouf | argonel: Accessibility options .. verios language mappings |
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| 21:16.23 | kevinl-- | anyone know how hard it is to modify a debian net-install cd , so that certain packages are configuration files are customized ? |
| 21:16.23 | Xires | k-man; should be the same method..haven't used icedove yet, though |
| 21:16.24 | bzed | Xires: If I'd do music stuff on the comnputer, then I'd use linux. And lmms + jack |
| 21:16.25 | enouf | er various* |
| 21:16.41 | k-man | Xires, sorry, i meant it doesn;t work when i select in an xterm and try and paste into icedove |
| 21:17.04 | bzed | kevinl--: google for preseeding. there's a new howto for the new etch installer. but I'd suggest FAI |
| 21:17.08 | k-man | Xires, ah.. now its working... thanks |
| 21:17.11 | Xires | bzed; ah, K..most of the recording industry in the US, however, uses Mac..until recently most everything was pre-OS X based, as well |
| 21:17.12 | bzed | !tell kevinl-- about fai |
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| 21:17.21 | k-man | Xires, i dunno what i was doing wrong... anyway, working now, thanks :) |
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| 21:17.34 | Xires | k-man; np..make sure 'emulate3buttons' isn't in your X configuration |
| 21:17.44 | argonel | enouf: not for modifier keys, iirc |
| 21:17.47 | bzed | Xires: yeah, and since apple bought emagic |
| 21:17.47 | Jabka | what package in debian provide (3) localtime |
| 21:17.48 | Xires | assuming you have a 3rd button or a wheel that acts as a button |
| 21:18.00 | Xires | bzed; I wasn't aware of that |
| 21:18.24 | bzed | Xires: http://www.apple.com/logicpro/ |
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| 21:18.36 | bzed | Xires: was in 2002 |
| 21:18.40 | enouf | argonel: don't know what to tell ya <shrugs>.. Fn key for laptop? |
| 21:18.48 | torrrr | are there more free antiviruses for linux beside clamav? |
| 21:18.54 | Xires | bzed; tyvm |
| 21:19.01 | bzed | Xires: np |
| 21:19.08 | ManuP | cu |
| 21:19.25 | enouf | argonel: I can see a diff language mapping affecting keymaps |
| 21:20.13 | mfrisch | torrrr: yeah well kinda free |
| 21:20.49 | argonel | enouf: from dumpkeys, alt keycode 65 = Console_7 |
| 21:21.05 | maddash | why would linux require an AV? |
| 21:21.06 | Bracki | how do i install suggested packages with apt-get? |
| 21:21.26 | argonel | maddash: perhaps to protect windows boxes on the same network? |
| 21:21.27 | mfrisch | maddash: for everyone else! |
| 21:21.37 | argonel | the same reason you install them on macosx :p |
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| 21:21.52 | torrrr | maddash, because of Vs. |
| 21:22.05 | Mark17 | Bracki: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:22.26 | argonel | enouf: also, keycode 56 = Alt |
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| 21:23.01 | Bracki | Mark17: that will install suggested packages? |
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| 21:24.28 | Mark17 | Bracki: that will install the most essential packages |
| 21:25.06 | Bracki | No, sometimes apt-get will suggest packages. I dont want to write those down and then install them later but do it at once. |
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| 21:25.38 | odla | Bracki: aptitude will install more packages than apt-get |
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| 21:26.03 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.03 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:26.56 | yoshio | Jabka: tzdata provides files named localtime, manpages-dev and manpages-posix-dev have the man pages |
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| 21:27.38 | amphi | Bracki: use aptitude |
| 21:27.53 | Jabka | for some reason it won't find it (apt-get) |
| 21:27.53 | argonel | enouf: is that from xmodmap? |
| 21:28.46 | Jabka | oo its data no date thnx |
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| 21:29.25 | argonel | well, chvt works.. so i can get back if need be :) |
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| 21:30.14 | Bracki | hm i just installed a ia32-chroot to build some packages on a amd64 machine. but m-a prepare wants the amd64 kernel instead of the i386 one. |
| 21:30.19 | enouf | argonel: yep .. i can't get dumpkeys to cooperate :-P |
| 21:30.23 | Jabka | is it common to set the system time to gmt ? |
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| 21:30.56 | Karamon | I'm using a linux server to control a time clock with a MySQL db, but it is crucial to keep the system time up to date.. does anyone know a good package for this or a cron script I can use? |
| 21:31.00 | argonel | ahh, shit.. it works with left alt, not right. my fault for using one hand to change terminal |
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| 21:31.26 | Bracki | Or what do i need to build i386 stuff on amd64? |
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| 21:31.44 | maddash | a cross-compiling tool-chain |
| 21:31.47 | Mr-R | Karamon: try ntp |
| 21:31.57 | enouf | !milk argonel |
| 21:32.13 | JoshJ | so, i'm running etch and somehow or another i've managed to spike my memory usage to upwards of 900 MiB on a computer with 1 gig of processor |
| 21:32.23 | Bracki | maddash: how do i set that up? |
| 21:32.23 | JoshJ | after looking in htop (whoever suggested this to me a while back, thanks!) |
| 21:32.28 | Karamon | Mr-R: Looks perfect, thanks :) |
| 21:32.39 | Mr-R | Karamon: you are welcome |
| 21:32.47 | argonel | lol |
| 21:32.56 | JoshJ | i'm seeing this line: |
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| 21:34.24 | argonel | strikes me as odd that the fkeys wouldn't just have alt-gr mapped to have the same output as alt |
| 21:34.34 | Bracki | !dpkg-cross |
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| 21:35.19 | asd | Hello, does anyone know if etch supports: Northbridge: Intel® P965 Express Chipset, Southbridge: Intel ICH8R, Gigabit LAN Controller (Marvell 8056)? I cannot tell and want to buy a mothernoard with these chipsets. |
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| 21:35.56 | Jabka | how can find out the brend of my laptop motherboard ? |
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| 21:36.48 | maddash | Bracki: man gcc |
| 21:36.56 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: you mean the chipset on it? |
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| 21:37.22 | dondelelcaro | (the manufacturer of it will generally be silkscreened on the motherboard, but it's often not what you care about) |
| 21:37.32 | argonel | asd: break it down.. figure out which kernel you want to use, and then see if the kernel supports each of those items |
| 21:37.37 | Jabka | dondelelcaro: model name |
| 21:37.39 | ezu5t | Jabka: cat /proc/cpuinfo gives you info about the CPU... not the motherboard |
| 21:37.52 | Jabka | i know and meminfo the memory |
| 21:38.06 | asd | argonel: how can I find out if the kernel supports these? |
| 21:38.15 | maddash | asd: would this happen to be an asus board? |
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| 21:38.28 | dustybin | are there any ways possible to secure wireless? or is all wireless insecure no matter what? |
| 21:38.30 | Jabka | i need some ting more good then lspci and lsusb |
| 21:38.45 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: then look at the motherboard itself or the case of the laptop |
| 21:38.46 | argonel | asd: use <insert favorite search engine name here> |
| 21:38.58 | Jabka | dustybin even 4096 rsa can be cracked |
| 21:38.58 | asd | this is from Gigabyte. But I don't care who made the board as log as it is a good one |
| 21:39.24 | markybob | Jabka, sure...if you have 30 years...c'mon |
| 21:39.30 | dustybin | Jabka: jeeze so really people shouldnt be using wireless at all |
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| 21:39.44 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: just assume it's exploitable, and design your network accordingly. |
| 21:39.52 | archville | dustybin, mac filtering, wpa, hiding ssid... |
| 21:39.54 | Jabka | markybob : more like 100 hr's on closter |
| 21:39.55 | asd | argonel: :). I am sitting here since hours to find the rigth board |
| 21:39.58 | Jabka | a cluster |
| 21:40.54 | dustybin | archivlle: ive got 2 boxes on my LAN and am thinking about adding a laptop to the network with wireless connection |
| 21:41.05 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: AFAIK a 4096 bit DSA key has not been factored yet. |
| 21:41.06 | Jabka | dondelelcaro: if you know good enuth math and c (two indean gueys wrote a crack to this) |
| 21:41.11 | markybob | Jabka, if you can break 4096 rsa in 100 hr's, you shouldnt be here. you should be in nsa or just stop talking crap |
| 21:41.12 | dustybin | if somone breaks into the wireless connection could they access my 2 other boxes |
| 21:41.21 | Jabka | not me |
| 21:41.29 | Jabka | im just a math student |
| 21:41.31 | markybob | let me guess |
| 21:41.35 | markybob | you know a guy who knows a guy |
| 21:41.35 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: then they would have published it. So far it has not been done. |
| 21:41.46 | archville | dustybin, well, you could also filter ips / mac address that have access to the other two pcs, not only to the wireless network itself |
| 21:42.18 | dustybin | ill setup some rules on iptables on the 2 other boxes |
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| 21:42.56 | dondelelcaro | the bigest RSA key I know of which has been factored is 576 bits. |
| 21:43.25 | Jabka | dondelelcaro: as my math prof said there is now thing as imposible there only ppl with to much free time |
| 21:43.33 | dustybin | could somone fake a mac address? |
| 21:43.34 | Bracki | is there a tool that reports the fastest mirror? |
| 21:43.42 | Jabka | im translating this from russion sorry |
| 21:43.50 | vulture | dustybin: Easily. |
| 21:43.54 | dustybin | :-S |
| 21:43.58 | markybob | theory and practically are far different things |
| 21:43.59 | Jabka | dustybin : man iwconfig |
| 21:44.02 | vulture | dustybin: it's just data transmitted over the wire - there's nothing that enforces it. |
| 21:44.09 | dustybin | ok |
| 21:44.13 | amphi | Bracki: apt-spy IIRC |
| 21:44.16 | trelly | ifconfig |
| 21:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: everyone knows it's possible, the point is that it's prohibitively expensive in time. |
| 21:44.27 | vulture | Which is why MAC filtering is just silly/annoying, not a "security" feature. |
| 21:44.44 | maddash | dustybin: iwconfig has nothing to do with it. man interfaces. |
| 21:44.57 | Jabka | dondelelcaro : many of us don't have closters of pc's |
| 21:45.07 | dustybin | so the only way to protect your LAN from wireless is by using strong ssh passwords for access to the other boxes |
| 21:45.18 | dustybin | and setting up iptables rules |
| 21:45.25 | trelly | strongswan |
| 21:45.28 | vulture | dustybin: to have proper security on your wireless network, for one thing |
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| 21:45.35 | mindframe | is wpa supported in 2.6.18 ? |
| 21:45.39 | vulture | defense in depth - firewall your machines and all that too.. |
| 21:45.40 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: I'm obviously talking about large distributed networks with tens of thousands of nodes. |
| 21:45.54 | archville | well... mac filtering usually helps, because you have to know what mac address to fake to do it |
| 21:45.57 | asd | oh this sucks. as longer I goole the less I know. one says don't take core, take AMD. Others say Core 2 CPUs are better. Fu... I just want to get a good board and a good cpu but somehow it seems that I have to by a ten year old board to be on the save side. |
| 21:46.01 | archville | it's just another security layer |
| 21:46.19 | ezu5t | dustybin: another way to protect from ssh attacks is with pam_abl http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/20/2043241&from=rss |
| 21:46.46 | trelly | everypacket contains the mac address |
| 21:46.48 | archville | or chrooting the ssh session |
| 21:47.09 | asd | don't you guys buy Pcs or do you all have old maschines?? |
| 21:47.22 | dustybin | build mine |
| 21:47.33 | dustybin | pretty oldish hardware |
| 21:47.33 | dondelelcaro | ah; it looks like RSA-200 (663 bit key) has been factored too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Factoring_Challenge |
| 21:47.51 | dustybin | what does factored mean? |
| 21:47.52 | asd | but that's what I have and it is too slow |
| 21:48.11 | dustybin | my 486 is ok |
| 21:48.12 | mnvl_ | what's the apt command to get basic info about a package? |
| 21:48.19 | mindframe | apt-cache show packagename |
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| 21:48.28 | maddash | mnvl_: apt-cache display |
| 21:48.31 | asd | dustybin: I buy it |
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| 21:48.44 | DA_Busy | enouf: Are you around? |
| 21:48.48 | dustybin | σ(n) = (p + 1)(q + 1) = n + 1 + s |
| 21:48.56 | maddash | mnvl_: erm, not display, try "show" |
| 21:49.03 | enouf | yes |
| 21:49.08 | x_link | Hi |
| 21:49.11 | x_link | Hi enouf ! |
| 21:49.15 | asd | I finally decided for a board and now its not made anymore. |
| 21:49.19 | enouf | hola x_link |
| 21:49.23 | x_link | I want to know if my 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel uses k8temp module. |
| 21:49.25 | Bracki | !apt-spy |
| 21:49.26 | dpkg | i guess apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 21:49.26 | DA_Busy | enouf: Nothing I try works |
| 21:49.29 | x_link | But how can I look that up+ |
| 21:49.29 | x_link | ? |
| 21:49.32 | mindframe | asd, newegg is great for cheap system configuration |
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| 21:49.41 | DA_Busy | It just won't connect to the LAN |
| 21:49.44 | x_link | I just installed lm-sensors but it doesn't seem to find any sensors when I do the command "sensors" |
| 21:49.56 | dustybin | how do i go about factoring RSA-2048 ? |
| 21:49.59 | enouf | x_link: modprobe -l | grep <keyword> as root |
| 21:50.11 | enouf | DA_Busy: I forgot your initial prob |
| 21:50.14 | \amethyst | x_link: run sensors-detect |
| 21:50.15 | mnvl_ | thanx mindframe maddash ! |
| 21:50.17 | trelly | wiff a 486? |
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| 21:50.29 | maddash | enouf: why root? |
| 21:50.46 | enouf | maddash: I just use sudo .. it's likely an /sbin thing |
| 21:51.01 | DA_Busy | enouf: I used my mobo onboard NIC, but after the driver turned out to be buggy, I got a PCI NIC instead. |
| 21:51.01 | enouf | maddash: mcuh fewer letters to type |
| 21:51.13 | asd | mindframe: I don't care what it is. It has to run a fileserver with a 3ware S-ATA II controller card and 2/3 GB RAM. But I jast don't konw how good the cpu has to be to run that thing |
| 21:51.15 | maddash | enouf: bullshit. you don't need to be root to list modules. |
| 21:51.17 | enouf | DA_Busy: oh right |
| 21:51.18 | DA_Busy | But Debian refuses to use if. |
| 21:51.22 | x_link | \amethyst: I don't know what to answear all on thos equestions |
| 21:51.24 | DA_Busy | it* |
| 21:51.28 | enouf | !aolify maddash |
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| 21:51.35 | amphi | equestrians? |
| 21:51.44 | DA_Busy | enouf: And no man page covers this |
| 21:51.50 | enouf | DA_Busy: are you sure it's working (no hradware issues?) |
| 21:51.55 | DA_Busy | I've even googled around with no luck |
| 21:52.03 | maddash | x_link: lsmod|grep <name of module> (root is NOT needed) |
| 21:52.07 | DA_Busy | lspci recognizes it |
| 21:52.13 | enouf | DA_Busy: what does lspci tell you about it? |
| 21:52.14 | x_link | maddash: ok |
| 21:52.29 | enouf | DA_Busy: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 21:52.29 | DA_Busy | Its name, pciid etc |
| 21:52.32 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ lsmod|grep k8temp |
| 21:52.32 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ |
| 21:52.36 | argonel | asd: marvell 8056 aka Yukon 88E8056 |
| 21:52.39 | trelly | to use lsmod and modprobe on a properly set up computer you sure do |
| 21:53.03 | enouf | x_link: you don;t need anything special to use lsmod .. but to see modprobes list you do |
| 21:53.03 | Jabka | dondelelcaro:i don't remmber the whole issue with their system but this link have been given to us by the prof http://cr.yp.to/papers/aks.ps |
| 21:53.14 | x_link | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 21:53.15 | Jabka | sorry for the delay |
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| 21:53.24 | maddash | enouf: bullshit |
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| 21:53.43 | x_link | I have been working with this for the last hour now. |
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| 21:53.48 | maddash | x_link: again, root isn't needed. |
| 21:53.50 | x_link | Trying to make lm-sensors to work. |
| 21:53.55 | x_link | maddash: I was not root. |
| 21:53.58 | DA_Busy | enouf: I've messed about w/all kinds of configs and am nowhere close to a solution. Even tried giving the box a static IPP, but while it recognized it, refused to use it |
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| 21:54.02 | dustybin | is factored another word for crack? |
| 21:54.03 | sdubois92 | i installed KDE when i installed sarge, how to i remove it completely? |
| 21:54.05 | trelly | maddash - how about permission to it |
| 21:54.06 | mindframe | security.debian.org is pretty slow right now. is it just me? |
| 21:54.24 | enouf | x_link: don't listen to losers like maddash |
| 21:54.28 | x_link | mindframe: No, it's REALLY slow for me as well. |
| 21:54.29 | maddash | trelly: in properly formatted english? |
| 21:54.35 | enouf | x_link: modutils: /sbin/modprobe |
| 21:54.50 | trelly | maddrash you are wromg |
| 21:55.14 | DA_Busy | maddash: In proper English, fhe first letter in a sentence is in the upper case. |
| 21:55.22 | x_link | enouf: Should I just do /sbin/modprobe |
| 21:55.22 | x_link | ? |
| 21:55.23 | enouf | x_link: so to use modprobe (if you haven't altered your default PATH settings), just either prefix any modprobe command with /sbin or sudo , or as root/su/su - |
| 21:55.35 | DA_Busy | And English is spelled with a capital E. |
| 21:55.50 | x_link | enouf: modprobe k8temp... is that what I should do? |
| 21:55.53 | asd | argonel: thx but "marvell 8056 aka Yukon 88E8056" doesn't help me. |
| 21:55.54 | DA_Busy | maddash: We can all be grammar whores if we want. :) |
| 21:55.55 | enouf | x_link: /sbin/modprobe -l | grep <keyword> |
| 21:55.56 | maddash | DA_Busy: if you understand him, then why don't you tell me what he just asked? |
| 21:55.56 | x_link | I have already done that and it doesn't work. |
| 21:56.03 | x_link | <keyword> ? |
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| 21:56.21 | enouf | k8temp if that's the module name .. use k8 |
| 21:56.25 | trelly | i guess madrash doesn't know about linux permissions or path |
| 21:56.27 | enouf | x_link: && |
| 21:56.30 | enouf | ^^ |
| 21:56.30 | DA_Busy | maddash: I'm not saying I do.. I wasn't reading any of what he wrote. |
| 21:56.31 | sdubois92 | i installed KDE when i installed sarge, how to i remove it completely? |
| 21:56.33 | maddash | x_link: modprobe <blah> is to load the blah module. you'll need root for that. |
| 21:56.41 | maddash | DA_Busy: then stfu. |
| 21:56.45 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ /sbin/modprobe -l | grep <k8> |
| 21:56.45 | x_link | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 21:56.45 | DA_Busy | :) |
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| 21:57.00 | Parma_Quendion | wow, nickspam |
| 21:57.02 | DA_Busy | enouf: What did you tell me to do again? |
| 21:57.06 | maddash | x_link: without the angle brackets |
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| 21:57.16 | enouf | DA_Busy: can you tell us what lspci | grep Etherent says? |
| 21:57.18 | ezu5t | sdubois92 - apt-get remove kde-base |
| 21:57.28 | enouf | DA_Busy: can you tell us what lspci | grep Ethernet <-- typo before |
| 21:57.29 | Jabka | dustybin : rsa uses two big prime numbers if you can identify them you have cracked the system the issue is that you cannot post this kind of program and algorythem inside us land |
| 21:57.31 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ /sbin/modprobe -l | grep k8 |
| 21:57.31 | x_link | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko |
| 21:57.34 | DA_Busy | enouf: Hold on a bit then, gotta go to the other box |
| 21:57.46 | Jabka | sorry for my lang |
| 21:57.54 | sdubois92 | ezu5t: cannot find package |
| 21:57.56 | x_link | But should I not do k8temp? |
| 21:58.03 | x_link | This is to hard. |
| 21:58.12 | enouf | x_link: /sbin/modprobe powernow-k8 |
| 21:58.12 | ezu5t | sdubois92 - sorry, apt-get remove kdebase |
| 21:58.16 | maddash | x_link: try `modinfo k8temp` |
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| 21:58.24 | enouf | x_link: I have no clue if that does what you want |
| 21:58.33 | maddash | x_link: k8temp could be aliased |
| 21:58.37 | x_link | enouf: Should I do that as root? |
| 21:58.50 | enouf | try it as user 1st x_link |
| 21:59.00 | ezu5t | sdubois92: apt-get remove kde kde-core kdebase kdesktop |
| 21:59.04 | x_link | enouf: Didn't work |
| 21:59.14 | enouf | x_link: do it as root or sudo |
| 21:59.29 | enouf | x_link: didn't work is not an error message :-P |
| 21:59.40 | x_link | enouf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12661/ |
| 21:59.43 | x_link | Igot that message |
| 21:59.52 | sdubois92 | thanks |
| 21:59.52 | enouf | x_link: when? |
| 21:59.53 | DA_Busy | enouf: Eth |
| 21:59.53 | DA_Busy | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 21:59.59 | DA_Busy | Oops..sry |
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| 22:00.09 | enouf | DA_Busy: is that your new NIC or Onboard? |
| 22:00.13 | DA_Busy | new |
| 22:00.22 | DA_Busy | The onboard one is disabled in BIOS |
| 22:00.32 | x_link | enouf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12662/ I got that message when I did it as root. |
| 22:00.41 | streuner_ | x_link: why do you asking ubuntu questions here? |
| 22:00.44 | enouf | DA_Busy: ok .. go to kmuto.jp/debian/hcl and find the rgith module |
| 22:00.59 | x_link | streuner_: Ubuntu questions? |
| 22:01.00 | enouf | DA_Busy: smae as /msg dpkg which driver |
| 22:01.08 | x_link | Is lm-sensors a ubuntu program? |
| 22:01.15 | enouf | x_link: are you using Ubuntu? |
| 22:01.18 | maddash | streuner_: not necessarily |
| 22:01.18 | x_link | enouf: No |
| 22:01.22 | streuner_ | x_link: you are using ubuntu, right? |
| 22:01.22 | x_link | Debian etch |
| 22:01.25 | x_link | No |
| 22:01.27 | x_link | Debian etch |
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| 22:01.38 | x_link | Like I always have been. |
| 22:01.42 | sdubois92 | i feel like im the only person in the world who uses sarge |
| 22:01.49 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 22:02.02 | streuner_ | sdubois92: no, many people use sarge ;-) |
| 22:02.04 | x_link | enouf: Did you see what I pasted? |
| 22:02.18 | DA_Busy | enouf: It's not there |
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| 22:02.31 | DA_Busy | But I found it when rebuilding my kernel |
| 22:02.43 | \amethyst | x_link: You have to be root to load the module |
| 22:02.45 | DA_Busy | And enabled it to be compiled in |
| 22:02.49 | enouf | x_link: yep .. erm .. someone else was trying to help you .. maybe \amethyst ? .. I'm not certain .. you may need some pkg installed .. is powernowd running? |
| 22:03.11 | x_link | \amethyst: I was root when I did that command. |
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| 22:03.13 | \amethyst | x_link: ah, missed your second message |
| 22:03.18 | enouf | DA_Busy: oh .. use a Debian kernel then ;-) |
| 22:03.43 | enouf | x_link: uname -r says? |
| 22:03.49 | DA_Busy | enouf: No, they don't have everything I need |
| 22:03.58 | x_link | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 22:04.01 | DA_Busy | But I use kernel-package |
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| 22:04.22 | enouf | DA_Busy: oh .. and you followed the make-kpkg and kp mantra? |
| 22:04.28 | DA_Busy | Yes |
| 22:04.54 | enouf | DA_Busy: did you use module-assistant? |
| 22:05.05 | torrrr | hi, I have found some modified vsftpd.tar.gz that has utf8, and compiled it |
| 22:05.13 | DA_Busy | If it eas in the mantra, yes |
| 22:05.16 | enouf | DA_Busy: and what do you need that we don't have? |
| 22:05.18 | torrrr | it works, what do I do next? |
| 22:05.19 | DA_Busy | I just copypasted it. |
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| 22:05.31 | torrrr | do I just swap the excutable files ? |
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| 22:05.33 | enouf | !tell DA_Busy about m-a |
| 22:05.51 | \amethyst | x_link: does dmesg | grep powernow say anything? |
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| 22:06.23 | DA_Busy | enouf: The driver is compiled in |
| 22:06.36 | DA_Busy | As in Y in make menuconfig |
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| 22:06.48 | argonel | asd: you'll need a 2.6.20 kernel for the marvell 8056 - http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/20/drivers/net/sky2.c |
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| 22:06.50 | MrWup | anyone here use asterisk? |
| 22:06.55 | enouf | ok .. so .. what doesn't the Debian kernel have? |
| 22:07.01 | apk | What could I have done that results in "~" showing if I `ls $HOME` ? |
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| 22:07.09 | x_link | \amethyst: |
| 22:07.11 | x_link | powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ processors (version 2.00.00) |
| 22:07.15 | x_link | powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure |
| 22:07.27 | amphi | enouf: the undervolting pentium m patch that I like ;) |
| 22:07.32 | DA_Busy | enouf: Certain I2C drivers, kvm and a few more things |
| 22:07.34 | enouf | heh |
| 22:07.47 | amphi | it's scandalous |
| 22:07.47 | streuner_ | !tell x_link about paste |
| 22:08.12 | enouf | DA_Busy: well .. I'm not sure what you need to do to get it working .. does dmesg show you the rtxxx s loading? .. |
| 22:08.19 | maddash | x_link: powernow-k8 doesn't to SMP systems |
| 22:08.35 | DA_Busy | enouf: Anyway, on fhe NIC package, it says "Linux 2.4+ supported" |
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| 22:08.45 | maddash | amphi: what's your cpu temp when undervolting? |
| 22:08.46 | x_link | mmirko: Okey |
| 22:08.53 | x_link | I will go to bed now |
| 22:09.00 | DA_Busy | One of the few pieces of hardware with official Linux support. |
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| 22:09.11 | Jymmm | yo |
| 22:09.20 | DA_Busy | But as I said, I compiled in the driver. |
| 22:09.30 | amphi | maddash: ~48C underload - it used to go over 70C |
| 22:09.32 | DA_Busy | enouf: Any other suggestions? |
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| 22:09.53 | amphi | maddash: I do a fair bit of povray, so it's worth it for me |
| 22:09.56 | amphi | IMHO |
| 22:10.01 | enouf | 8139too or 8139cp DA_Busy |
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| 22:10.13 | DA_Busy | compiled in |
| 22:10.20 | enouf | both? |
| 22:10.29 | enouf | ermm .. I think they conflict |
| 22:10.35 | DA_Busy | Oh. |
| 22:10.45 | pickcoder | how can I setup access point info in kwifimanager? |
| 22:10.55 | DA_Busy | Well, I don't know which is appropriate for my card. |
| 22:10.56 | maddash | amphi: isn't that dangerous? especially to one's laps? this is your T42, right? |
| 22:10.57 | enouf | DA_Busy: not entirely certain .. check that |
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| 22:11.13 | enouf | DA_Busy: modules are better for just this reasion ;-) |
| 22:11.22 | enouf | DA_Busy: modinfo would help a bit |
| 22:11.24 | amphi | maddash: isn't what dangerous? |
| 22:11.25 | DA_Busy | I suppose... |
| 22:11.43 | amphi | maddash: running it hard like that? I've always done it ;) |
| 22:11.52 | maddash | amphi: +70C cpu temp |
| 22:11.54 | enouf | DA_Busy: vist kmuto .. it should tell which is correct .. maybe |
| 22:11.57 | Lucciano | quick question, i am installing python-pysqlite2 but it get confired to use python 2.3, there is any way to configure to use 2.4. |
| 22:11.59 | Lucciano | ? |
| 22:12.06 | amphi | maddash: the cut out seems to be set at 90C |
| 22:12.10 | DA_Busy | enouf: It showed nada |
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| 22:12.21 | enouf | DA_Busy: erm .. bulldoggy ;-) |
| 22:12.23 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.26 | amphi | maddash: it'll reach that inside a minute under load |
| 22:12.37 | enouf | DA_Busy: you pasted in your lspci -n ? |
| 22:12.44 | \amethyst | 70C is enough to sterilize you :) |
| 22:12.53 | DA_Busy | enouf: not -n |
| 22:12.57 | amphi | 90C is the threshold where it shuts down I believe, it was in /proc/acpi |
| 22:13.00 | maddash | amphi: let me go try povray, since mine has never gone above 50 C |
| 22:13.04 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
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| 22:13.05 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
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| 22:13.17 | DA_Busy | Argh.. If I could solve that locales issue, I'll solve this! :) |
| 22:13.18 | sid | What is a good lotus notes alternative that is free software? |
| 22:13.26 | amphi | maddash: doesn't have to be povray, any cpu intensive prog will do it |
| 22:13.46 | sid | I'm formatting this teacher's laptop with GNU/Linux, and he says he needs Lotus Notes for his e-learning website(sln.suny.edu) |
| 22:13.50 | mfrisch | sid evolution is close |
| 22:13.55 | maddash | amphi: prime95? |
| 22:14.13 | sid | I don't even know what lotus notes is. heh |
| 22:14.21 | amphi | maddash: I used mprime in torture mode to test voltages for stability |
| 22:14.37 | maddash | amphi: my cpu runs mprime @ 42 C when i'm undervolting... |
| 22:14.39 | mfrisch | sid dob't know if it supports domino servers |
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| 22:14.48 | sid | mfrisch: ok |
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| 22:14.57 | troploup73_ | hi everyone |
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| 22:15.13 | motu | which architecture should i use for xeon woodcrest? |
| 22:15.15 | mfrisch | sid domino is for losers |
| 22:15.31 | amphi | maddash: it doesn't rise above that in time? |
| 22:15.38 | enouf | !break mfrisch |
| 22:15.54 | sid | mfrisch: This guy doesn't have a choice. I believe. |
| 22:15.56 | maddash | amphi: no, it ranges from 40 C -- 44 |
| 22:15.57 | enouf | doh .. sid is the nickname .. duh :-P |
| 22:16.10 | troploup73_ | is anyone aware, if there's a problem with the debian servers at this moment? i've been trying to dist-upgrade my system it tries to connect to 212.211.132.250 but it hangs while trying to retrieve the headers |
| 22:16.16 | amphi | maddash: perhas your cpu uses lower voltage at high freq? |
| 22:16.20 | DA_Busy | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/24587 |
| 22:16.33 | ezu5t | why would anyone call himself "sid" here in the #debian chatroom? |
| 22:16.40 | mfrisch | enouf: thanks for the pointer ;-) |
| 22:16.54 | pickcoder | motu: you can use 686 or the amd64 release if you want a 64-bit kernel |
| 22:17.00 | maddash | amphi: `cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/op_points_table` : "798000:764,1064000:1084,1330000:1164,1596000:1244,1995000:1356" |
| 22:17.02 | enouf | DA_Busy: how dense are you :-) .. you're supposed to then clcik submit at kmuto |
| 22:17.19 | DA_Busy | Right... link me there again |
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| 22:18.21 | ezu5t | might as well call yourself sarge or etch |
| 22:18.21 | enouf | omg.. |
| 22:18.21 | pickcoder | motu: make sure you verify that you get dual cores showing up in /proc/cpu with the 686 kernel |
| 22:18.21 | enouf | DA_Busy: you will now learn how to msg the bot |
| 22:18.21 | motu | pickcoder: which one is faster and/or more stable for a web server (apache mysql ruby_on_rails) |
| 22:18.21 | amphi | maddash: hard to say, I have to use 1340 at 1.6GHz |
| 22:18.22 | enouf | !tell DA_Busy about msg the bot |
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| 22:18.22 | enouf | DA_Busy: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 22:18.22 | maddash | amphi: interesting... |
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| 22:18.30 | enouf | mfrisch: :-) |
| 22:18.36 | motu | if i use amd64 with woodcrest, should i also use the amd64 binaries? |
| 22:18.38 | pickcoder | motu: I'm running Etch amd64 on my dual-core, but the most stable will be Sarge on 32-bit |
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| 22:19.25 | enouf | !tell DA_Busy -about grounding |
| 22:19.25 | torrrr | how do I mark a package to not be updated? |
| 22:19.25 | pickcoder | motu: I run old 32-bit binaries with the ia32-libs package installed |
| 22:19.25 | DA_Busy | 10ec8139YesRealtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.RT81398139too,8139cp |
| 22:19.25 | DA_Busy | enouf ^^ |
| 22:19.26 | pickcoder | I'm still testing it, though.. |
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| 22:19.26 | pickcoder | I've not seen any obvious issues so far |
| 22:19.32 | enouf | DA_Busy: well .. it would appear it could use either / or |
| 22:19.41 | DA_Busy | Ok... :/ |
| 22:19.43 | enouf | DA_Busy: one is better suited .. don't ask me which one |
| 22:19.46 | DA_Busy | But not both |
| 22:19.47 | motu | pickcoder: is there any documentation on this, or any tests made between amd64 and 686-smp+i386 binaries? |
| 22:19.51 | pickcoder | uptime is 81 days for it |
| 22:20.00 | amphi | maddash: it varies from cpu to cpu, mine needs somewhat higher voltage it seems |
| 22:20.15 | pickcoder | 2.6.18-3-amd64 |
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| 22:20.21 | enouf | DA_Busy: I'd say not both .. not sure though .. especially since you can't unload them as momdules, nor blacklist them |
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| 22:20.35 | DA_Busy | yeah... :/ |
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| 22:20.53 | pickcoder | motu: from experience here and other's experiences I've read about you only gain performance on 64-bit with huge memory and/or math loads |
| 22:21.02 | DA_Busy | Off to compilerland... :( |
| 22:21.04 | enouf | DA_Busy: time to menuconfig :-P |
| 22:21.13 | pickcoder | a web server doesn't exactly cater towards a CAD system |
| 22:21.16 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:21.20 | motu | hehe |
| 22:21.48 | pickcoder | it's your choice.. I chose amd64 so that I could throw a ton more RAM in it without having to reinstall |
| 22:21.55 | motu | what exactly is etch? just the current candidate for testing/sid? |
| 22:22.02 | pickcoder | !etch |
| 22:22.03 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 22:22.10 | torrrr | how do I mark a package as held? |
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| 22:22.36 | \amethyst | motu: sid is unstable |
| 22:22.47 | motu | oh |
| 22:22.53 | torrrr | held! |
| 22:23.00 | odla | !held |
| 22:23.06 | enouf | DA_Busy: I'm not even 75% certain that that's your problem .. :-( |
| 22:23.10 | odla | torrrr: man apt? |
| 22:23.17 | pickcoder | !tell torrr about pinning |
| 22:23.48 | maddash | 'pinning'? |
| 22:24.00 | motu | pickcoder: u know anywhere i can find official documentation on the choice of architecture for debian on woodcrest? |
| 22:24.02 | maddash | !pinning |
| 22:24.03 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 22:24.18 | enouf | DA_Busy: i mean we didn't even get to any dmesg stuff for your NIC, or eth0{1,2}, nor did we see wbhat ifconfig -a says |
| 22:24.22 | markybob | DA_Busy, why not just use a debian stock kernel? it supports your card. no need to be compiling and messing up |
| 22:24.33 | pickcoder | !amd64 |
| 22:24.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 22:25.22 | motu | !amd64 |
| 22:25.23 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 22:25.41 | enouf | !tell motu -about msg the bot |
| 22:25.56 | enouf | !tell motu -about search |
| 22:26.10 | Neptunis | !hit enouf |
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| 22:26.12 | markybob | enouf, looks like you need to be told about msg'ing the bot, too |
| 22:26.16 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:26.30 | maddash | !tell enouf about irony |
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| 22:26.39 | maddash | enouf: j/k. |
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| 22:26.59 | nihil | hey, how do i install the 32bit versions of certain packages on amd64? |
| 22:27.12 | enouf | %fist Neptunis |
| 22:27.24 | CaMa | Hi there |
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| 22:27.31 | nihil | i got skype to install the 32bit version but ldd tells me it nees 32 bit versions of libraries located at /usr/lib32 |
| 22:28.01 | pickcoder | nihil: aptitude install ia32-libs |
| 22:28.07 | nihil | got them |
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| 22:28.17 | pickcoder | then it's a skype lib issue |
| 22:28.19 | mfrisch | nihil: think there is a amd-64 skype on the mirrors....if you have to use it |
| 22:28.19 | Neptunis | !poop badgers |
| 22:28.29 | nihil | nah mfrisch |
| 22:28.33 | nihil | i even contacted their support |
| 22:28.42 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 22:28.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 22:28.46 | nihil | they even answered and said it's not yet supported |
| 22:28.51 | mfrisch | nihil: there was. |
| 22:29.09 | nihil | mfrisch: seems to have been buggy if support tells me..... |
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| 22:29.31 | nihil | pickcoder: no way to install 32bit version of libqt3-mt? |
| 22:29.33 | scruffy | is there a kopt I can use for turning off preempt? |
| 22:29.38 | nihil | thats what skype complains about at startup |
| 22:30.32 | mfrisch | nihil: buggy thats a point of view it never worked good |
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| 22:30.33 | nihil | mfrisch: i agree, i get random hangups, but thats not really my problem :) |
| 22:30.39 | gsyoungblood | Is anyone aware of a good iSCSI initiator how-to doc that describes how to setup iscsi using the iscsi initiator in the kernel ? |
| 22:30.56 | bzed | nihil: sky sucks for not delivering the source |
| 22:31.04 | pickcoder | nihil: you can try manually installing the .deb, if you're out of other sources |
| 22:31.07 | mfrisch | nihil: fwd is a good free skype replacement |
| 22:31.07 | bzed | nihil: but you can download a statically compiled version |
| 22:31.17 | enouf | scruffy: I don't think so .. it's something you compile in |
| 22:31.29 | nihil | i agree too, but i am bound to what ppl i work with choose |
| 22:31.47 | bzed | mfrisch: wtf is fwd? |
| 22:32.02 | CaMa | I am trying to install LVM on my new Debian (testing), but at boot time, I got a kernel panic |
| 22:32.04 | mfrisch | free world dialup |
| 22:32.11 | CaMa | so I tried to create a initrd |
| 22:32.14 | pickcoder | CaMa: did you leave /boot off of the LVM? |
| 22:32.18 | nihil | mfrisch: i take it fwd does not support skypes protocol, does it? |
| 22:32.29 | CaMa | yes pickcoder |
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| 22:32.31 | nihil | pickcoder: and how do i get it to install in /usr/lib32? |
| 22:32.43 | scruffy | enouf: I can't find out if debian offers a version of 2.6 without preempt. |
| 22:32.44 | mfrisch | nihil: nah it just uses a real one |
| 22:32.51 | nihil | mfrisch: :} |
| 22:32.58 | nihil | i hear ya |
| 22:33.06 | CaMa | there is a lvmcreate_initrd in /usr/share/doc/lvm2/example |
| 22:33.10 | nihil | unfortunately i can't change all the ppl i want to stay in contact with |
| 22:33.19 | pickcoder | nihil: unpack it by hand |
| 22:33.23 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:33.28 | CaMa | event this script does not give any result |
| 22:33.29 | enouf | scruffy: grep the config |
| 22:33.32 | nihil | pickcoder: *g* |
| 22:33.34 | nihil | thanks |
| 22:33.37 | maddash | wtf is "<g>"? |
| 22:33.41 | scruffy | enouf: this explains how to "debian way" apply a preempt patch, but 2.6 debian kernel source obviously has the patch applied? http://www.lativy.org/articles/debian-kpkg/ |
| 22:33.44 | \amethyst | nihil: so get the static binary |
| 22:33.49 | mfrisch | nihil: it is iax2 or sip and if you don't want a full asterish install softphones can connect |
| 22:34.20 | pickcoder | maddash: before the days of :) smilies and graphics <g> was *grin* |
| 22:34.48 | mfrisch | aah the good old days |
| 22:35.00 | enouf | scruffy: go away .. heh 2.6 my @ss --> # aptitude install kernel-source-2.4.25 |
| 22:35.01 | pickcoder | <eg> == evil grin |
| 22:35.10 | argonel | what was good about them, exactly? :) |
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| 22:35.33 | enouf | scruffy: oh i misunderttand what you said .. my bad |
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| 22:35.44 | pickcoder | fewer Internet noobs |
| 22:35.46 | nihil | mfrisch: not sure i understand.. |
| 22:36.15 | enouf | scruffy: here http://lxr.linux.no/source/kernel/Kconfig.preempt |
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| 22:36.34 | enouf | !wayttd scruffy |
| 22:36.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, scruffy? |
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| 22:37.00 | enouf | you want none? |
| 22:37.09 | \amethyst | scruffy: preempt is the default in 2.6 |
| 22:37.10 | nihil | \amethyst: pickcoder thanks for the suggestions, gonna try that |
| 22:37.35 | mfrisch | nihil: it is a real voip address(I think up to 7 lines) http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ |
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| 22:38.36 | scruffy | enouf: I'm trying to disable preempt for my kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 so that my wireless card (ndiswrapper) will function. I would imagine I'll have to build 2.6 myself using kernel-source-2.6.8; is this the only way to get rid of preempt for my laptop? |
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| 22:39.50 | enouf | scruffy: if you want to knock yourself out .. you can go searching through http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/?rev=0&sc=0 .. well .. what you say about your card makes no sense to me .. I just don't know though .. but ndiscrapper is evil |
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| 22:40.13 | me_here | netsplit and cod geiers made my day |
| 22:40.20 | Dreamlinux | hello budys.. |
| 22:40.21 | me_here | lol |
| 22:40.25 | me_here | lo |
| 22:40.26 | me_here | lo |
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| 22:43.17 | pickcoder | I'm using ndiswrapper for a wireless-n card and it seems ok so far |
| 22:43.38 | sdubois92 | pickcoder: is it running at N speeds? |
| 22:43.39 | pickcoder | broadcom makes the chipset for it even though cisco/linksys brands it |
| 22:43.42 | Dreamlinux | ndiswrapper has a tool in GTK or not? |
| 22:43.45 | pickcoder | sdubois92: yup |
| 22:43.47 | pickcoder | 270MB |
| 22:43.51 | sdubois92 | wow |
| 22:43.55 | sdubois92 | N is fast |
| 22:44.14 | sdubois92 | G is fast enough for most stuff |
| 22:44.19 | sdubois92 | but faster is always better |
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| 22:45.23 | tdn | I want to use a specific nameserver. I have written that one in my /etc/resolv.conf, but every time I run ifup on my interface and do a dhclient, /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten with nameservers provided by the dhcp server. How do I use DHCP and still use my specific nameservers? |
| 22:45.26 | pickcoder | yeah, it's not terrible but it's not a 100MB ethernet drop either |
| 22:45.40 | pickcoder | 3.5MB/s ftp transfer for a 368MB file |
| 22:46.10 | pipeline | 802.11a is where it's at. |
| 22:46.23 | bzed | pickcoder: /etc/dhclient.conf normally. man dhclient.conf |
| 22:46.34 | \amethyst | tdn: In /etc/dhclient.conf you can add the directive prepend domain-name-servers ipaddress |
| 22:46.58 | \amethyst | tdn: or supersede |
| 22:47.06 | Dreamlinux | i now a tool for dhcp3d... |
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| 22:47.20 | bzed | why did I tell that to pickcoder ? |
| 22:47.25 | bzed | I need to go to bed :) |
| 22:47.27 | Dreamlinux | i know jeje.. |
| 22:47.38 | bzed | tdn: --> that was for you /etc/dhclient.conf normally. man dhclient.conf |
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| 22:48.20 | |dennis| | any iptables gurus here? sorry for the non deb paste.. i am working in etch.. :P >> http://pastebin.ca/414268 |
| 22:49.06 | Dreamlinux | jeje |
| 22:49.22 | Dreamlinux | what is your problem budy? |
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| 22:49.39 | bzed | |dennis|: uhm |
| 22:49.51 | bzed | |dennis|: your http server doesn;t make any connections to the outside |
| 22:50.03 | bzed | |dennis|: you want to use dnat, towards your http server |
| 22:50.15 | archville | why do i have hda1 (root fs) mounted twice ? in "/" and in "/dev/.static/dev" ? |
| 22:50.20 | |dennis| | bzed: yes... |
| 22:50.38 | archville | (according to df) |
| 22:50.38 | |dennis| | how does the reply work? via a related/established connection? |
| 22:50.50 | bzed | |dennis|: your http server's answers will automatically 'natted' back to the right source. conntrack takes care of that (as log as the httpd's answer comes in from the same interface and the same IP) |
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| 22:51.26 | \amethyst | archville: what does mount say about it ? |
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| 22:51.37 | bzed | |dennis|: yeah, it's an established/related connection. no need to nat that back. snat won;t help you there, as it'd change the IP of the person who requested somethign form the server |
| 22:51.50 | archville | \amethyst, it says... /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 22:52.02 | archville | and /dev/hda1 on /dev/.static/d/dev/hda1 on /dev/.static/dev type ext3 |
| 22:52.03 | bzed | |dennis|: except you want to hide the real IPs from your server |
| 22:52.18 | |dennis| | bzed: isnt that where snat comes into play? |
| 22:52.23 | |dennis| | on the reply? |
| 22:52.28 | bzed | |dennis|: no |
| 22:52.31 | archville | oops, i mean /dev/hda1 on /dev/.static/dev type ext3 (rw,data=ordered) |
| 22:52.38 | bzed | |dennis|: there's no need for you to take care of that |
| 22:52.41 | archville | (the second one) |
| 22:53.05 | bzed | |dennis|: or even better: you don;t take care of that. the firewall will handle that (if I'm not totalyl confused tonight |
| 22:53.50 | tdn | amethyst, thanks. |
| 22:53.55 | tdn | bzed, ok. Thanks. |
| 22:54.01 | \amethyst | archville: does /dev/.static/dev show the filesystem root, or the expected contents of a /dev directory? |
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| 22:54.05 | crazy_penguin | 'night! :) |
| 22:54.06 | \amethyst | archville: if you ls it |
| 22:54.07 | GomoX | Hey |
| 22:54.08 | GomoX | :) |
| 22:54.08 | archville | mmm |
| 22:54.11 | archville | let's look |
| 22:54.19 | GomoX | Has anyone built code::blocks under debian? |
| 22:54.24 | GomoX | I'm having trouble :( |
| 22:54.37 | Dreamlinux | I have a problem with the file /var/dpkg/static... is corrupted |
| 22:54.38 | bzed | GomoX: what's code::blocks? a perl module? |
| 22:54.49 | GomoX | A C++ IDE |
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| 22:54.51 | Dreamlinux | what I cad do?? |
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| 22:54.57 | GomoX | But i thought the same when I first heard the name |
| 22:54.57 | |dennis| | bzed: i am confused.. lets say that the dmz server when initializing outgoing connections goes through the firewall and gets natted to one of the firewall's individual public ip...now..the firewall has three conenctions...port 80 requests can come in on any one...they will get dnat to the dmz server...what if any rules must i have to take care of it...?? |
| 22:54.59 | GomoX | :/ |
| 22:55.06 | archville | \amethyst, on dev/.static there is only "dev" subdir with the contents on a /dev/ directory |
| 22:55.13 | pickcoder | |dennis|: you're already dnat'ing the external IP to a DMZ address/port right? |
| 22:55.15 | archville | when i ls it i see devices |
| 22:55.30 | \amethyst | archville: ok, then it's just a bind mount from the root filesystem, then |
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| 22:55.32 | cafuego_ | !seen penix |
| 22:55.34 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 13h 12m 36s ago, saying: 'cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :)'. |
| 22:55.39 | cafuego_ | Bah |
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| 22:55.45 | |dennis| | only for port 80 yes.......but the problem is that there are three possible ips? |
| 22:55.46 | bzed | |dennis|: how does your server 'initialize' outgoing connections? does it connect to anything? |
| 22:55.50 | archville | And... why do i need it ? i mean what's the purpose ? |
| 22:55.51 | \amethyst | archville: that was the original /dev directory before udev got mounted over it |
| 22:56.06 | archville | oh... so you need both, normal and udev ? |
| 22:56.23 | pickcoder | |dennis|: and all three external IPs are being dnated to a single IP/port locally? |
| 22:56.32 | |dennis| | bzed: yes |
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| 22:57.00 | bzed | |dennis|: what you wanbt to do is to dnat incoming connections to your firewall's IP to the http server's IP. like iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-dest httpserversip |
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| 22:57.13 | pickcoder | then reply packets will automatically be routed back to the originating device and source IP |
| 22:57.18 | pickcoder | you don't need snat for that |
| 22:57.22 | \amethyst | archville: Yes, because /dev is still needed early in the boot, before udev is mounted |
| 22:57.22 | bzed | exactly |
| 22:57.59 | \amethyst | archville: that mount point is there to let you access it without unmounting udev |
| 22:58.03 | |dennis| | bzed: well that looks like it will take care of all interfaces....as in dport 80 coming in from any interface right? and if so..wil the reply go back through the right connection? |
| 22:58.09 | bzed | |dennis|: you need snat only if your dmz server wants to conenct to the outside world. so you probably need it for dns, smtp and ntp - if you don;t have the boxes for that in the dmz |
| 22:58.15 | archville | It seems .static/dev has a lot of things, while /dev has only a few, probably choosen by udev from .static/dev |
| 22:58.16 | bzed | |dennis|: yes |
| 22:58.28 | archville | But maybe i'm wrong, dunno |
| 22:58.39 | smacnay | I just completed a virgin install of Deb etch. for some reason, my cd drive never mounts when something is inserted. Is there some sort of setting that prevents automounting of a cd? dvd automounts just fine |
| 22:58.41 | |dennis| | bzed: thank you.....very much... |
| 22:58.45 | archville | however is always nice to learn a bit about it :) |
| 22:59.06 | bzed | |dennis|: so you wanto to use dnat for connections to your server in the dmx, and use snat to allow the server to connect to dns, smtp-server and whatever you need. and write need in bold letters |
| 22:59.29 | \amethyst | archville: /dev has only the stuff that's loaded, while /dev/.static/dev has nodes for lots more stuff |
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| 22:59.29 | bzed | archville: udev creates only the device files for devices which are actually present |
| 22:59.37 | wad | I just set up my first debian desktop system, using Etch (and Gnome). I installed supertux for the kids to play on, first thing. And noticed no sound. Went to the supertux config, and the sound options are greyed out. What's the procedure for enabling the sound hardware? |
| 22:59.52 | \amethyst | archville: back in the day /dev looked like /dev/.static/dev does now |
| 23:00.10 | wad | I'm currently ssh'd into it as root. I like command lines, by the way. :) |
| 23:00.11 | bzed | archville: the former, statically /dev directory got a bind-mount to /dev/.static before udev mounted itself on /dev |
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| 23:00.28 | amphi | !tell wad about alsa one-liner |
| 23:00.31 | archville | \amethyst, yeah, i remember /dev was a lot bigger early days using red hat |
| 23:00.31 | |dennis| | bzed: thanks...have a complex setup...4 public conections, 3 fixed ips....3 possible interfaces to which port 80 and other service requests can come in.....server is on dmz...and is one among many that offer other services.. |
| 23:00.54 | |dennis| | bzed: was just not sure how the replies would be taken care of..thanks..for the help.. |
| 23:01.01 | amphi | wad: also, make sure your user is in the audio group |
| 23:01.11 | wad | Awesome! thanks! |
| 23:01.18 | \amethyst | archville: udev stuff isn't copied from .static/dev, but rather generated by udevd based on the config files in /etc/udev/ |
| 23:01.23 | amphi | wad: you're welcome |
| 23:01.29 | bzed | |dennis|: my firewallscript is about 2000 lines for somthing like that.. but well, we have a /22 network ;) |
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| 23:01.58 | pickcoder | l8rz |
| 23:02.07 | bzed | wad: first check the audio group, you rarely need the alsa oneliner. except you have very very new hardware, then you'll probably need to get the stuff from alsa on your own |
| 23:02.14 | Ozux | hi every one, I want to calculate how much Memory my Program use, so I find PID from (ps) then use ( top -p 1234) (1234 is PID) wich is my real Memory Usage? " VIRT, SWAP, RES " Then Is my way true? is there better way? |
| 23:02.28 | archville | it's fun then that the big .static/dev is still needed while udev can load every device on the system |
| 23:02.28 | wad | Ah, okay. This is ancient hardware. |
| 23:02.30 | bzed | Ozux: read man top ? |
| 23:02.31 | bzed | :P |
| 23:02.36 | wad | I'll do the audio group thing first. |
| 23:02.36 | |dennis| | bzed: hehe..thanks... ;) |
| 23:02.41 | bzed | wad: something with an ISA bus? |
| 23:02.51 | wad | Hmm... could be. |
| 23:02.58 | bzed | wad: addgroup usernam audio |
| 23:02.58 | wad | Haven't looked at that motherboard in ages. |
| 23:03.02 | wad | P2 450 |
| 23:03.04 | amphi | wad: does lscpi show the sound card? |
| 23:03.16 | amphi | wad: er, lspci |
| 23:03.23 | wad | lspci shows the sound card |
| 23:03.31 | wad | (though I think it's integrated into the mobo) |
| 23:03.36 | amphi | wad: no isa worries then ;) |
| 23:03.38 | wad | Probably just need to add to the gorup. |
| 23:03.39 | wad | :) |
| 23:03.50 | bzed | wad: yeah, most of the mobo stuff should jsut work well |
| 23:03.53 | \amethyst | archville: it's not needed once the system is booted, but you have to have devices in the time before udevd is started :) |
| 23:04.03 | wad | cool |
| 23:04.09 | bzed | wad: add the group, don;t forget to logout/login the user... |
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| 23:04.16 | wad | bzed, got it. |
| 23:04.20 | wad | Added the group. |
| 23:04.25 | wad | now to send my son downstairs to try it out. |
| 23:04.30 | bzed | haha :D |
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| 23:04.40 | bzed | make him logout and login again |
| 23:04.44 | mfrisch | lazy ;-) |
| 23:04.45 | Ozux | bzed, Yah, I read it, but is it true way to bench mark memory usage of a program? |
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| 23:05.24 | bzed | Ozux: do you want to profile a program? |
| 23:05.31 | \amethyst | archville: if you have an initramfs, you can set no_static_dev in /etc/udev/udev.conf and it won't be mounted there at all |
| 23:05.34 | bzed | Ozux: valgrind is what you're looking for then |
| 23:05.44 | \amethyst | archville: since the initramfs has its own /dev |
| 23:05.49 | Ozux | bzed, TNX. |
| 23:05.58 | bzed | archville: doesn;t make much difference though, the static stuff is just a bind mount ;) |
| 23:06.04 | archville | \amethyst, well, i don't want to mess up things that should be perfectly working now |
| 23:06.07 | mindframe_ | is there a website out there that catalogues vertical and horizontal refresh rates for laptop screens? |
| 23:06.14 | archville | i was just curious about it :) |
| 23:06.27 | \amethyst | archville: what version of udev do you use? |
| 23:06.31 | bzed | mindframe: you normally just don;t need to care about it, as it is fixed and jsut selected automatically |
| 23:06.46 | archville | the latest one on etch |
| 23:06.56 | Ozux | bzed, valgrind - A memory debugger and profiler I's appear it's that I search for. |
| 23:07.14 | bzed | Ozux: awesome :) |
| 23:07.16 | archville | 0.105-4 |
| 23:07.43 | \amethyst | archville: hmm... it's supposed to leave the /dev/.static/dev bind mount out of /etc/mtab so it doesn't show up in df etc |
| 23:07.51 | bzed | Ozux: you need to compile your code with debug flags enabled, thoguh |
| 23:08.30 | archville | it is on mtab: /dev/hda1 /dev/.static/dev ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 23:08.36 | itchi | Sleep wel guys, and thanks for that nice day! :-) |
| 23:08.53 | Ozux | bzed, TNX again, I'll see manpages, and site and ... ;-) |
| 23:09.18 | amphi | n8 itchi |
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| 23:12.55 | itchi | amphi: Thanks :-) |
| 23:13.00 | bzed | Ozux: you're welcome :) |
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| 23:15.32 | mindframe_ | what should i use to configure touchpad sensitivity |
| 23:15.43 | mindframe_ | synptics touchpad |
| 23:16.10 | me_here | your fingers ? |
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| 23:16.15 | me_here | lol |
| 23:16.19 | mindframe_ | heh heh |
| 23:16.42 | bzed | !tell mindframe about synaptics |
| 23:17.16 | mindframe_ | !tell mindframe_ about synaptics |
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| 23:17.27 | bzed | oh |
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| 23:17.47 | me_here | oh noooooosssseeee |
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| 23:18.16 | bzed | me_here: hey, easy candidate. you can see on the nick that they're in the wrong chatroom |
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| 23:18.57 | me_here | i'm not gonna warn them |
| 23:19.12 | wintix | ;) |
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| 23:19.26 | enoj | How can i install different locales on the system? |
| 23:19.27 | DA_Busy | Hello. Due to a buggy driver, I stopped using my onboard NIC and switched to a PCI NIC. |
| 23:19.29 | me_here | i don't get paid for it do i ? |
| 23:19.36 | me_here | so why should i eh ? |
| 23:19.40 | me_here | lol |
| 23:20.16 | DA_Busy | It won't work. And that really is fhe bulk or the situation description. |
| 23:20.59 | DA_Busy | It won't connect to the DHCP server (my NAT router), it won't connect with static IP... |
| 23:21.09 | wintix | !tell DA_Busy about ask |
| 23:21.27 | DA_Busy | I'm on Etch. Kernel 2.6.20.4 |
| 23:21.50 | amphi | DA_Busy: perhaps a debian kernel will work? ;) |
| 23:21.55 | markybob | it will work |
| 23:22.00 | markybob | we've gone over this |
| 23:22.09 | DA_Busy | As for output: on ifup eth0: DHCPDISCOVER on port 67 255.255.255.255 |
| 23:22.21 | DA_Busy | amphi: Same drivers. |
| 23:22.46 | amphi | DA_Busy: what card is it? |
| 23:22.46 | DA_Busy | Used kernel-package |
| 23:22.50 | DA_Busy | 10ec8139YesRealtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.RT81398139too,8139cp |
| 23:23.05 | wintix | DA_Busy: check with a debian kernel. if it works you messed up with your kernel. |
| 23:23.06 | DA_Busy | From http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 23:23.20 | amphi | DA_Busy: such cards have always worked ok for me, with 8139too or 8139cp |
| 23:24.10 | me_here | oh man |
| 23:24.13 | me_here | that chillly |
| 23:24.18 | me_here | lol |
| 23:24.18 | DA_Busy | wintix: I'm not sure how - I first built in drivers into the kernel, then later recompiled them as modules |
| 23:24.48 | amphi | DA_Busy: ifconfig -a shows the interface? |
| 23:24.52 | DA_Busy | amphi: Yes, but I used a forcedeth card before... :/ |
| 23:25.09 | DA_Busy | Hold on, gotta go to the box in question |
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| 23:29.01 | dennis_ | hello |
| 23:29.18 | dennis_ | got a quick question |
| 23:29.24 | dennis_ | well maybe not a quick anser tho |
| 23:29.26 | DA_Busy | amphi: http://paste.debian.net/24592 |
| 23:29.39 | amphi | DA_Busy: what's that? |
| 23:29.46 | DA_Busy | I also included what happens when I do ifup eth0 |
| 23:30.04 | bzed | DA_Busy: check your cable |
| 23:30.04 | dennis_ | how do i get my nvidia card to work on debian? |
| 23:30.05 | DA_Busy | amphi, ifconfig -a |
| 23:30.05 | wintix | DA_Busy: eth0 != eth1 |
| 23:30.08 | dennis_ | not sure exactly which family or model it is tho |
| 23:30.08 | bzed | !tell dennis_ about nvidia one-liner |
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| 23:30.21 | DA_Busy | wintix, that's an older paste |
| 23:30.29 | dennis_ | ty |
| 23:30.29 | bzed | dennis_: what's the output of lspci | grep -i vga ? |
| 23:30.35 | DA_Busy | But other than that, exactly the same |
| 23:30.42 | bzed | dennis_: then I can tell you more |
| 23:30.50 | dennis_ | one sec |
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| 23:31.08 | bzed | DA_Busy: definitely a problem with your router or cable if neither the forcedepth nor the realtek will work |
| 23:31.20 | dennis_ | is it ok to paste three lines here? |
| 23:31.26 | DA_Busy | bzed, the forcedeth worked |
| 23:31.35 | bzed | DA_Busy: use it then? |
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| 23:31.42 | DA_Busy | But due to a bug in the kernel, it's unstable |
| 23:31.42 | bzed | dennis_: uh? there should be only one vga card |
| 23:31.46 | jetscreamer | DA_Busy: before you do that change allow-hotplug eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces to auto eth0... comment out the first add the second |
| 23:31.48 | dennis_ | no |
| 23:31.52 | dennis_ | three lines of indo |
| 23:31.54 | bzed | DA_Busy: no, it works well in 2.6.20 |
| 23:31.54 | dennis_ | info* |
| 23:31.58 | dennis_ | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems: Unknown device 2200 (rev 02) |
| 23:31.59 | dennis_ | dennis@x1-6-00-14-85-29-af-5c:~$ |
| 23:32.06 | jetscreamer | grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:32.09 | dennis_ | wait a sec |
| 23:32.10 | dennis_ | ... |
| 23:32.16 | dennis_ | thats not my nvidia card |
| 23:32.29 | jetscreamer | or is that backwards |
| 23:32.29 | dennis_ | ... |
| 23:32.29 | bzed | dennis_: I thought you had an nvidia card? there is only ONE nvidia line |
| 23:32.29 | DA_Busy | bzed, when I push a lot of data thsough quickly, it disconnects |
| 23:32.30 | dennis_ | someone switched my cards |
| 23:32.38 | wintix | hehe. |
| 23:32.38 | DA_Busy | jetscreamer: ? |
| 23:32.51 | dennis_ | bbl gonna switch em back |
| 23:32.59 | jetscreamer | DA_Busy: grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:33.05 | DA_Busy | Ok, brb |
| 23:33.06 | bzed | DA_Busy: are you on amd64? |
| 23:33.10 | jetscreamer | or grep where what i forget |
| 23:33.19 | DA_Busy | bzed, yes |
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| 23:33.57 | DA_Busy | brb |
| 23:34.02 | jetscreamer | me too |
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| 23:34.11 | bzed | DA_Busy: try the kernel image from http://bzed.de/blog/2.6.20.4_for_debian_etch - that works fine with my forcedepth |
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| 23:34.24 | archville | What's the minimal possible debian installation ? (even minimal if possible than default without base and destkop packages) |
| 23:34.57 | bzed | archville: just do a noremal install and don;t select anything on tasksel |
| 23:34.57 | eilker | <archville> without base ? |
| 23:35.08 | archville | bzed, that's what i did |
| 23:35.15 | bzed | archville: you need the base packages |
| 23:35.24 | archville | i mean... smaller than that if possible |
| 23:35.37 | bzed | archville: use damn small linux |
| 23:35.55 | DA_Busy | Ok, allow-hotplug is there |
| 23:35.57 | bzed | archville: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 23:36.02 | archville | i did in the past, so i was thinking about trying to get normal debian in more or less that 50 mb size |
| 23:36.07 | DA_Busy | Oh, jetscreamer left. :( |
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| 23:36.26 | bzed | DA_Busy: allow hotplug is not really related to your problem imho |
| 23:36.30 | ubuntugrl | what is the correct number for 1600x1200 16 for the fb? |
| 23:36.39 | archville | i really liked DSL, except for having X |
| 23:36.46 | bzed | ubuntugrl: I guess you want to ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:37.00 | ubuntugrl | bzed i actually just installed debian |
| 23:37.01 | wintix | i wondered what you were going to say, bzed ;) |
| 23:37.05 | bzed | archville: I doubt you ahve any chance with debian in less than 50M |
| 23:37.19 | bzed | ubuntugrl: oh :) |
| 23:37.34 | archville | isn't dsl based on debian ? they have to do something to get it to that size |
| 23:37.36 | jetscreamer | DA_Busy: if it's not the allow hotplug thing try redoing/applying your firewall... |
| 23:37.41 | wintix | !tell ubuntugrl about modeline |
| 23:37.43 | DA_Busy | bzed, well, jetscreamer told me to check for it.... |
| 23:37.45 | archville | so... possible is.. at least |
| 23:37.56 | wols_ | ubuntugrl: afaik such a high res is not standardized at all |
| 23:37.58 | bzed | jetscreamer: what has hotplug with that problem to do? |
| 23:38.04 | DA_Busy | jetscreamer, ? |
| 23:38.09 | jetscreamer | ubuntugrl: hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 23:38.14 | wintix | oh. nevermind. overread the fb part, ubuntugrl. |
| 23:38.17 | archville | brb |
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| 23:38.30 | ubuntugrl | ok |
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| 23:38.49 | jetscreamer | DA_Busy: so is allow-hotplug eth0 actually in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:38.57 | DA_Busy | Yes |
| 23:39.03 | DA_Busy | uncommented |
| 23:39.16 | wintix | DA_Busy: have you switched the cable and checked that your router is actually spitting out dhcp to the world? |
| 23:39.19 | bzed | jetscreamer: that's still totally unrelated to the problem imho |
| 23:39.42 | jetscreamer | DA_Busy: did your router/dhcp change the subnet recently? like start using 10.x.x.x instead of 192.x.x.x ? |
| 23:39.55 | jetscreamer | bzed: ok fix it sorry didn't mean to step on your toes |
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| 23:40.23 | bzed | jetscreamer: nah you don;t step on my toes, I';m just wondering how that should be related |
| 23:40.49 | bzed | DA_Busy: are you using one of the very new realtek models? |
| 23:40.54 | jetscreamer | well to tell you the truth, been there had that, and am trying to remember which |
| 23:41.09 | amphi | ubuntugrl: 0x31D perhaps (extrapolating from lower modes) |
| 23:41.18 | DA_Busy | jetscreamer, no |
| 23:41.30 | DA_Busy | It has always used 192.168.0.* |
| 23:41.41 | jetscreamer | i think it was the firewall when i changed ip's in the dhcp |
| 23:41.48 | DA_Busy | And yes, DHCP works, otherwise I wouldn't be here now |
| 23:42.05 | bzed | DA_Busy: have you configure any firewall at all on that box? |
| 23:42.09 | amphi | ubuntugrl: or 0x320 ? either might be worth a try |
| 23:42.16 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 23:42.16 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 23:42.19 | bzed | DA_Busy: installed any ipmasq packge? |
| 23:42.21 | DA_Busy | And the cable works cause a friend of mine used it a few hours ago |
| 23:42.34 | DA_Busy | bzed, not that I'm aware of |
| 23:42.45 | jetscreamer | and my iptables rules (firewall) was still trying to apply the rules to the old ip |
| 23:42.56 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 23:43.00 | DA_Busy | I've got a D-Link DI-604 router :P |
| 23:43.09 | wintix | uh. d-link. |
| 23:43.13 | bzed | DA_Busy: you still didn't asnwer my question of the type of realtek card. new one? old one? which model? |
| 23:43.18 | bzed | dlink sucks usually :P |
| 23:43.24 | enouf | 8129 |
| 23:43.31 | enouf | ish or so |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | CihanServer: having problems ? |
| 23:43.52 | DA_Busy | bzed, It'sa UNEX NexNIC card |
| 23:43.54 | enouf | DA_Busy: compiled his own .20 kernel and ... well you tell them DA_Busy |
| 23:43.57 | jetscreamer | trying to be like chanserv i guess |
| 23:44.06 | DA_Busy | That's the brand on the box, at least |
| 23:44.15 | jetscreamer | did it work just fine with a stock kernel? |
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| 23:44.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: suspiciously too close |
| 23:44.22 | CihanServer | abrotman> nope , just having fun at another channel :) |
| 23:44.26 | enouf | so much for the realTek NIC eh? |
| 23:44.43 | DA_Busy | jetscreamer, I never tried this NIC with a stock kernel.. |
| 23:44.54 | DA_Busy | enouf: ? |
| 23:45.02 | bzed | DA_Busy: paste the output of lspci -v for that card please |
| 23:45.08 | wintix | DA_Busy: maybe you should at least try to see if it's a problem with your kernel. |
| 23:45.14 | ubuntugrl | amphi the netsinst was perfect. |
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| 23:45.29 | bzed | DA_Busy: try the kernel from my site, it has all cards configured as module |
| 23:45.41 | amphi | ubuntugrl: cool ;) |
| 23:46.04 | DA_Busy | wintix, I don't see how it could be - I based it off an oldconfig from stock kernels, and just made some small changes |
| 23:46.18 | bzed | DA_Busy: there changed some options |
| 23:46.18 | wintix | DA_Busy: does it hurt to be sure? |
| 23:46.29 | bzed | DA_Busy: for example there's a new one... support old 8129 cards |
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| 23:46.39 | DA_Busy | bzed, how about I send you my .config and you compare them? |
| 23:46.49 | jetscreamer | i've messed up kernels before.... of course it only happens once every 100 years |
| 23:46.55 | DA_Busy | bzed, which I built in :P |
| 23:46.59 | bzed | DA_Busy: you can download my .config on the site I've linke doyu to or just use my image |
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| 23:47.16 | DA_Busy | Yeah, but you know more than me... |
| 23:47.21 | jetscreamer | i've also had them mess up because things got moved from one version to the next |
| 23:47.41 | amphi | ubuntugrl: did you get your wireless going yet? |
| 23:47.58 | ubuntugrl | amphi no, i'm trying to find the atheros driver |
| 23:48.04 | dennis_ | ah better |
| 23:48.07 | bzed | DA_Busy: I'd suggest you either try a debian stock kernel or http://bzed.de/blog/2.6.20.4_for_debian_etch the one from there... |
| 23:48.15 | dennis_ | now i have my nvidia card in |
| 23:48.16 | dennis_ | lol |
| 23:48.20 | bzed | ubuntugrl: apt-get install madwifi-source modules-assistant |
| 23:48.34 | DA_Busy | Alright, I'll try a stock kernel, cause I already got one installed |
| 23:48.48 | DA_Busy | Let's hope this works :) |
| 23:48.56 | DA_Busy | brb |
| 23:48.56 | bzed | ubuntugrl: m-a prepare m-a a-i madwifi |
| 23:49.14 | amphi | !tell ubuntugrl about non-free |
| 23:49.18 | bzed | ubuntugrl: apt-get install madwifi-source modules-assistant; m-a prepare m-a a-i madwifi << one line to copy and paste |
| 23:49.19 | abrotman | you forgot the && |
| 23:49.26 | bzed | oh |
| 23:49.31 | bzed | ubuntugrl: apt-get install madwifi-source modules-assistant; m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi << one line to copy and paste |
| 23:49.35 | bzed | thanks abrotman |
| 23:51.26 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i <---too many spaces :p |
| 23:51.36 | ubuntugrl | !tell ubuntugrl about non-free |
| 23:51.44 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg whatever |
| 23:51.45 | dennis_ | bzed |
| 23:51.55 | bzed | dennis_: ? |
| 23:52.02 | bzed | !milk jetscreamer |
| 23:52.04 | dennis_ | thanks for the info link earlier and i have the info from the question you asked |
| 23:52.08 | dennis_ | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 23:52.37 | DA_Busy | Nope |
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| 23:52.41 | amphi | ubuntugrl: add 'contrib non-free' (without quotes) to the end of the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:52.50 | DA_Busy | Doesn't work with a stock kernel |
| 23:53.10 | bzed | dennis_: that should work with the one-line dpkg told you |
| 23:53.25 | dennis_ | do i need to add anything to my source list? |
| 23:53.30 | dennis_ | or just leave it stock |
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| 23:53.33 | bzed | !tell dennis_ about non-free |
| 23:53.37 | dennis_ | ah |
| 23:53.39 | dennis_ | thanks |
| 23:53.41 | bzed | np |
| 23:53.41 | ubuntugrl | amphi i don't know. how do i find out about that? |
| 23:54.12 | bzed | dennis_: read the oneline ocmpletely, if you want to use beryl or such things you need to read nvidia_experimental |
| 23:54.16 | DA_Busy | amphi, bzed, jetscreamer: No luck w/stock kernel |
| 23:54.22 | enouf | I think I forked or looped myself into oblivion earlier somehow |
| 23:54.35 | bzed | DA_Busy: paste the output of lspci -v please |
| 23:54.41 | bzed | DA_Busy: your network card is enough |
| 23:54.53 | DA_Busy | enouf, maybe you sporked or fooned yourself. :P |
| 23:55.03 | bzed | !spoon enouf |
| 23:55.05 | DA_Busy | -v now? Ok, hold on |
| 23:55.05 | amphi | ubuntugrl: huh? do 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and add 'contrib non-free' (without quotes) to the end of the lines that begin with 'deb' and end in 'main' |
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| 23:56.02 | dennis_ | !tell dennis_ about nvidia_sarge |
| 23:56.27 | bzed | !tell dennis_ about selftell |
| 23:56.51 | dennis_ | sorry |
| 23:56.54 | bzed | np |
| 23:57.46 | ubuntugrl | amphi 'no such file or directory' |
| 23:58.04 | amphi | ubuntugrl: no /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:58.12 | amphi | ubuntugrl: or no nano? |
| 23:58.47 | ubuntugrl | amphi i added contrib non-free to that line in sources.list and run i run apt-get install.... it says that |
| 23:59.00 | DA_Busy | bzed, http://rafb.net/p/xo1GKT88.html |
| 23:59.01 | bzed | ubuntugrl: run apt-get update before |
| 23:59.34 | madd_matt | When I su to root I don't get colour output from ls and grep and stuff, why? |
| 23:59.40 | bzed | DA_Busy: you could use my kernel image, it works well with your forcedeph, I have the same chipset |
| 23:59.54 | bzed | madd_matt: not enabled for root, edit /root/.bashrc |
