| 00:00.10 | ubuntugrl | amphi failed to fetch non-free |
| 00:00.14 | madd_matt | bzed, thanks |
| 00:00.17 | DA_Busy | bzed, how fast is your connection? |
| 00:00.23 | bzed | DA_Busy: 100mbit |
| 00:00.29 | amphi | ubuntugrl: pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:00.32 | DA_Busy | To the net? |
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| 00:00.54 | bzed | DA_Busy: no, to the switch. which is connected with 28gbit to the world |
| 00:00.55 | lewis2 | on etch, how do I enable query logging with bind9 in named.conf/named.conf.options? |
| 00:01.18 | DA_Busy | bzed, try downloading multiple huge files at once |
| 00:01.19 | amphi | ubuntugrl: or just try the command you were given above: apt-get install madwifi-source modules-assistant; m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi |
| 00:01.43 | DA_Busy | When I do that, my forcedeth just kicks me offline |
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| 00:01.56 | Xires | is there a way to connect synaptic to a remote system to manage packages on the remote box? |
| 00:01.56 | bzed | DA_Busy: ah, I thought you mean my server. well, i can transfer as much as I want via 100MBit in the local net here |
| 00:02.15 | bzed | DA_Busy: I know that problem, that's fixed since 2.6.19.something, or 2.6.20 |
| 00:02.38 | DA_Busy | I'm using 2.6.20.4 |
| 00:02.43 | bzed | DA_Busy: the other option is to boot with uh... noapic or noioapic as option |
| 00:02.43 | DA_Busy | And it is not fixed |
| 00:02.57 | DA_Busy | I want net access.. :/ |
| 00:03.01 | ubuntugrl | amphi http://sial.org/pbot/23851 |
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| 00:03.17 | bzed | DA_Busy: did you upgrade your bios? |
| 00:03.50 | enoj | How can i install different locales on the system? |
| 00:04.01 | wintix | !tell enoj about locales |
| 00:04.02 | DA_Busy | bzed, no |
| 00:04.11 | bzed | DA_Busy: I guess that there's a problem somewhere in the bios or ioapic/apic stuff, as it seems that your realtek and the forcedepth are affected. I'd update the bios first |
| 00:04.16 | DA_Busy | bzed, haven't touched my BIOS |
| 00:04.20 | enoj | thanks wintix |
| 00:04.23 | bzed | DA_Busy: are you using an abit board? |
| 00:04.29 | DA_Busy | No |
| 00:04.31 | DA_Busy | MSI |
| 00:04.35 | bzed | ah |
| 00:04.47 | bzed | because abit got a fix for linux out in january |
| 00:04.51 | DA_Busy | MSI K9N NEO-F |
| 00:05.00 | bzed | so you probably want to check for bios updates |
| 00:05.04 | DA_Busy | Ok |
| 00:05.14 | bzed | if that doesn't work play with the noapic and noioapic kernel params |
| 00:05.25 | DA_Busy | Never flashed my BIOS before - I'm a coward :P |
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| 00:06.05 | bzed | the forcedepth card should just work fine |
| 00:06.12 | amphi | ubuntugrl: I expect the error came from the cdrom line - you could just comment that one out |
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| 00:06.20 | DA_Busy | But it doesn't :P |
| 00:06.37 | wintix | DA_Busy: look for bios updates and check the changelog. |
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| 00:06.47 | bzed | DA_Busy: especialyl since I have the same chipset. |
| 00:06.47 | amphi | ubuntugrl: comment it out, and apt-get update should complete without error |
| 00:06.50 | bzed | DA_Busy: aah wait |
| 00:07.09 | lewis2 | can someone give me a query logging example for named.conf? |
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| 00:07.09 | bzed | DA_Busy: do you ahve 2 ethnernet ports on the board? |
| 00:07.19 | DA_Busy | bzed, my mobo: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=733 |
| 00:07.23 | DA_Busy | No |
| 00:07.26 | ubuntugrl | amphi tried that, it says failed to fetch ....../non-free/ not available |
| 00:07.28 | DA_Busy | Just one |
| 00:07.37 | bzed | ok :) |
| 00:08.20 | DA_Busy | bzed, fhe BIOS link is greyed out :/ |
| 00:08.25 | DA_Busy | the* |
| 00:08.29 | bzed | DA_Busy: I'd start with a bios update and try the forcedepth under 2.6.20 again. |
| 00:08.30 | bzed | heh |
| 00:09.04 | amphi | is it possible ibiblio doesn't have non-free? |
| 00:09.14 | ubuntugrl | amphi http://sial.org/pbot/23852 |
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| 00:09.33 | DA_Busy | bzed, look at the site - no BIOS link. |
| 00:10.07 | wols_ | !tell ubuntugrl about non-free |
| 00:10.17 | DA_Busy | http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/download/dld/spt_dld_detail.php?UID=733&kind=1 |
| 00:10.23 | DA_Busy | No BIOSes anywhere |
| 00:10.38 | bzed | DA_Busy: that's bad |
| 00:10.42 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 00:10.42 | dpkg | apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 00:10.53 | wols_ | Xires: remote X |
| 00:11.02 | ixiion | hi |
| 00:11.15 | bzed | ubuntugrl: I guess you want to use a better mirror :P |
| 00:11.18 | DA_Busy | bzed, right. |
| 00:11.24 | amphi | ubuntugrl: try 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free' instead, perhas |
| 00:11.27 | amphi | *perhaps |
| 00:11.36 | bzed | DA_Busy: grep FORCEDETH_NAPI in your 2.6.20 kernel config please |
| 00:11.51 | ixiion | have a question: when i´m in runlevel 5 and nedd to reload all scripts for runlevle 5 how do i do this ? |
| 00:12.05 | amphi | ubuntugrl: instead of the ibiblio.org line |
| 00:12.05 | DA_Busy | I disabled (or at least modularized) forcedeth in the latest kernel |
| 00:12.11 | bzed | ixiion: runlevel 5 is normally not used in debian |
| 00:12.23 | bzed | DA_Busy: would you pelase answer my question |
| 00:12.36 | dennis_ | ok i went wrong adding contrib non-free to my sources somewhere |
| 00:12.37 | dennis_ | lol |
| 00:12.41 | wols_ | ixiion: try init 5. might (or not) work |
| 00:12.46 | bzed | DA_Busy: if you have disabled it completely, how could you test forcedepth then? |
| 00:12.49 | dennis_ | i read the info on non-free |
| 00:12.54 | dennis_ | not much help |
| 00:13.02 | ixiion | wols_ no dont work |
| 00:13.10 | bzed | dennis_: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:13.10 | wols_ | dennis_: what is your sources line? |
| 00:13.13 | DA_Busy | bzed, that was after I installed the realtek |
| 00:13.22 | bzed | DA_Busy: you're a fool |
| 00:13.31 | DA_Busy | Why? |
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| 00:13.43 | bzed | DA_Busy: because you don;t enable a module in the kernel jsut to test another card |
| 00:13.47 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
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| 00:13.48 | DA_Busy | The forcedeth one was disabled in BIOS |
| 00:13.50 | ubuntugrl | amphi that worked\ |
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| 00:13.59 | bzed | DA_Busy: what now |
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| 00:14.08 | bzed | DA_Busy: did you build it into the kernel or not |
| 00:14.11 | dan2 | does anybody know of any tools that can be used to generate images? |
| 00:14.13 | DA_Busy | bzed, I intended to actually *use* this card |
| 00:14.18 | amphi | ubuntugrl: good-oh |
| 00:14.19 | DA_Busy | Not just test with it |
| 00:14.22 | wols_ | DA_Busy: you used a nv ethernet and realtek and you can get none to work? that is definitely a pebkac |
| 00:14.31 | dennis_ | whats that paste to site |
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| 00:14.44 | DA_Busy | wols_, no, the nforce works |
| 00:14.45 | wols_ | dan2: gimp |
| 00:14.47 | bzed | DA_Busy: please use the kernel image I've provided and try the forcedepth with it |
| 00:14.51 | DA_Busy | It's just unstable |
| 00:15.00 | wols_ | bzed: there is no forcedepth :P |
| 00:15.09 | DA_Busy | wols_, whereas the realtek doesn't work at all |
| 00:15.09 | amphi | ubuntugrl: you should be able to run that funky madwif install line now |
| 00:15.28 | wols_ | DA_Busy: makes no sense either. and 8139too is a shitty NIC but it works _everywhere_ |
| 00:15.38 | DA_Busy | Yeah... |
| 00:15.58 | bzed | wols_: with one exception, if you add a ne2000 pci together with a 8139too.... *cough* |
| 00:16.33 | bzed | DA_Busy: go and download my kernel and try it again, if it doesn't work, poke me in 9 hours when I'm awake again and I'll build you a new kernel |
| 00:16.33 | DA_Busy | It just refuses to connect to my router |
| 00:16.42 | hell_ | is there an game like freecraft, stratagus etc. that can be played online ? |
| 00:16.54 | DA_Busy | bzed, I'll be away all day tomorrow |
| 00:17.03 | bzed | DA_Busy: then poke me friday night |
| 00:17.11 | bzed | DA_Busy: or add a comment on the page |
| 00:17.12 | DA_Busy | Got IM? |
| 00:17.20 | bzed | DA_Busy: got irc? :P |
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| 00:17.34 | ixiion | okay wichone is the default debian runlevel ? |
| 00:17.38 | DA_Busy | I do, I just forget :P |
| 00:17.39 | ixiion | 3 ? |
| 00:17.50 | wols_ | DA_Busy: do you have 8130too loaded? and if so, what interfaces do you have all in all? |
| 00:17.52 | bzed | DA_Busy: put a comment on the page, if it still didn't work i'll build a kernel with the experimental option |
| 00:18.01 | wols_ | ixiion: after install: 2 |
| 00:18.14 | DA_Busy | Or just tell me how to do it :P |
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| 00:18.37 | ixiion | ich did a netinstall |
| 00:18.44 | bzed | DA_Busy: I'm not going to spend the night with youto guide you trough configuring a kernel |
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| 00:19.03 | DA_Busy | Argh! I can't scroll up to get the link |
| 00:19.05 | ixiion | ins the default runlevel in /etc/inittab ? |
| 00:19.08 | amphi | ixiion: look in /etc/inittab ;) |
| 00:19.16 | ixiion | okay its 2 |
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| 00:19.18 | bzed | wols_: I guess that there could be a firewire nw 'card' inbetween, I forgot the ifocnfig output of DA_Busy |
| 00:19.28 | amphi | ixiion: by default, 2-5 are identical in debian |
| 00:19.34 | ice799 | Hi - for some reason, my .Xmodmap in $HOME/.Xmodmap isnt being read at startup -- there is no mention of it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 00:19.38 | DA_Busy | Whenever someone says something, joins, leaves or anything, my IRC client scrolls down again |
| 00:19.47 | ice799 | what can I do to cause my .Xmodmap to be read at startup? |
| 00:19.47 | bzed | DA_Busy: just another try, paste ifconfig -a please |
| 00:19.56 | bzed | DA_Busy: http://bzed.de/blog/2.6.20.4_for_debian_etch << and there's the kernel to try |
| 00:19.58 | wols_ | DA_Busy: answer my question |
| 00:20.01 | DA_Busy | Ok |
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| 00:20.23 | DA_Busy | wols_, what q? |
| 00:20.40 | bzed | DA_Busy: if you ahve 8139too loaded |
| 00:20.41 | wols_ | the one with the question marks: < wols_> DA_Busy: do you have 8130too loaded? and if so, what interfaces do you have all in all? |
| 00:21.04 | DA_Busy | bzed, whoa, that's a big kernel |
| 00:21.13 | bzed | DA_Busy: don't download the source |
| 00:21.30 | DA_Busy | wols_, I did |
| 00:21.37 | DA_Busy | And eth0 |
| 00:21.49 | DA_Busy | bzed, I meant the image |
| 00:21.51 | bzed | DA_Busy: paste the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a please |
| 00:21.52 | amphi | ice799: put 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' in your ~/.xsession |
| 00:21.57 | DA_Busy | Mine was like 10mb |
| 00:22.14 | DA_Busy | ok, hold on a sec |
| 00:22.21 | bzed | DA_Busy: it's a debian standard kernel, except that all modules are included, including the none-dfsg free modules. a 10MB kernel sounds a bit small for me, though. |
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| 00:22.38 | ice799 | amphi, already in there |
| 00:23.09 | wintix | any hints on how i get the nvidia experimental driver? |
| 00:23.16 | enouf | wols_: he compiled it into the custom .20 kernel .. no modules |
| 00:23.19 | bzed | !tell wintix about nvidia_experimental |
| 00:23.26 | amphi | ice799: is it error free? does it work when you run that command in an xterm? |
| 00:23.32 | wintix | bzed: thank you |
| 00:23.37 | ice799 | amphi yes it is error free |
| 00:23.37 | bzed | enouf: I do not believe it before I see it :P |
| 00:23.43 | enouf | wols_: and i realize he still didn;t answer you ;-) |
| 00:24.10 | enouf | bzed: I don't believe much of anything DarkApostrophe says .. |
| 00:24.11 | bzed | wintix: I need to add a list of supported cards, though, it's a bit confusing yet. but any recent geforce should work well |
| 00:24.35 | ice799 | amphi I just made a tweak to one of my X files i'm gonna kill this x session and see what happens |
| 00:25.11 | jetscreamer | hey i just installed apt-spy and did apt-spy update then did apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America |
| 00:25.24 | jetscreamer | it parsed about 6 server then segfaulted |
| 00:25.34 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 00:25.46 | enouf | there's a better tool .. called .. erm .. netlink? or somesuch |
| 00:25.48 | jetscreamer | i did sudo apt-spy -d unstable -a North-America |
| 00:25.55 | DA_Busy | wols_, bzed: http://paste.debian.net/24595 |
| 00:26.06 | bzed | jetscreamer: try reportbug-ng :P |
| 00:26.09 | jetscreamer | !dbugs apt-spy |
| 00:26.11 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
| 00:26.15 | wintix | bzed: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4800] (rev a1) |
| 00:26.25 | jetscreamer | i don't want to! |
| 00:26.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:26.30 | wintix | semi-recent., bzed. |
| 00:26.30 | jetscreamer | bbl |
| 00:26.31 | DA_Busy | Ah - carrying a USB stick back and forth between computers - about as half-duplex as it gets |
| 00:26.33 | enouf | why can't i remember its name though . it's part of some larger pkg IIRC |
| 00:26.48 | bzed | wintix: that's not supported by the driver in experimental |
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| 00:27.07 | bzed | wintix: you need to stay a bit with the driver in etch until there's the new legacy driver in experimental |
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| 00:27.43 | DA_Busy | bzed, got the output? |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 00:27.45 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:27.50 | bzed | DA_Busy: what says modprobe 8139too |
| 00:28.10 | wintix | bzed: the beryl guys just told me that i have to upgrade my driver to get AIGLX. so there is no way to get that, yet? |
| 00:28.11 | DwightRamon | hi. where is the channel configuration saved after i configured dvb-t channels in kaffeine |
| 00:28.15 | bzed | wintix: not really, you could run the nvidia installer, but that'll just mess with your files |
| 00:28.18 | dennis_ | ok |
| 00:28.25 | dennis_ | got the contrib part done |
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| 00:28.26 | bingofuel | what i have to do if when i compile, gives me that can't find gcc-version.sh in the headers. the gcc-version.sh is in kbuild :;S |
| 00:28.41 | bzed | wintix: I'd not recommend it. use the normal driver in etch and wait a bit |
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| 00:28.48 | dennis_ | but when i run the command for the nvidia that the bot gave me |
| 00:28.59 | bzed | dennis_: did you add non-free, too? |
| 00:29.00 | PachecoJ | I recently installed etch (love it) but my emacs display size is very large, how can I cange this? |
| 00:29.04 | wintix | bzed: ok. thank you. i will wait :) |
| 00:29.07 | dennis_ | i get a whole bunch of 'cant stat package' |
| 00:29.09 | PachecoJ | it's the text size and the display text in the menus etc. |
| 00:29.16 | dennis_ | yes |
| 00:29.19 | bzed | dennis_: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 00:29.22 | ubuntugrl | amphi i installed madwifi-source and the other |
| 00:29.22 | dennis_ | added non-free too |
| 00:29.27 | dennis_ | DOH |
| 00:29.29 | dennis_ | lol |
| 00:29.34 | DA_Busy | bzed, it said nothing |
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| 00:29.37 | amphi | PachecoJ: you could change X's dpi perhaps, if all fonts are too large |
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| 00:30.24 | bzed | ubuntugrl: apt-get install madwifi-source modules-assistant; m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi << one line to copy and paste |
| 00:30.24 | DA_Busy | bzed, it was loaded bfore I tried a stock kernel though :P |
| 00:30.25 | bzed | DA_Busy: what does ifconfig -a show now? |
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| 00:30.31 | enouf | jetscreamer: maybe it's netselect - Choose the fastest server automatically |
| 00:30.32 | PachecoJ | amphi: nope, it's only emacs, everything else is fine |
| 00:30.34 | bzed | DA_Busy: did ytou even add the -a on your last try? |
| 00:30.49 | PachecoJ | amphi: it does the samething on the etch installation at school... |
| 00:30.52 | DA_Busy | What do you mean? |
| 00:30.56 | bzed | enouf: imho the apt version of netselect always worked better than apt-spy |
| 00:31.04 | bzed | DA_Busy: did you run ifconfig -a |
| 00:31.08 | bzed | DA_Busy: or ifconfig |
| 00:31.23 | bzed | DA_Busy: and if you run ifconfig -a now, does it show eth1 |
| 00:31.26 | amphi | PachecoJ: dunno, I use vim ;) |
| 00:31.26 | DA_Busy | Before I loaded the module, yes, but not after |
| 00:31.38 | enouf | bzed: never tried either .. and what's an apt version? |
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| 00:31.53 | PachecoJ | does anybody else have Emacs21 running on etch? is this a known issue? |
| 00:32.06 | bzed | enouf: I mean netselect-apt |
| 00:32.12 | wols_ | DA_Busy: can you stop dallying arounbd and friggin DO what bzed asked you already? |
| 00:32.14 | enouf | ahh bzed |
| 00:32.44 | bzed | DA_Busy: add the output of dmesg | grep eth while you're at it |
| 00:33.11 | bzed | !wols++ |
| 00:33.12 | enouf | bzed: I am blind .. netselect-apt - Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect |
| 00:33.20 | bzed | :P |
| 00:33.58 | abrotman | PachecoJ: you need guerin .. who isn't here |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | i think you and he are the only two emacs users left |
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| 00:34.27 | DA_Busy | bzed, http://paste.debian.net/24596 |
| 00:34.53 | DA_Busy | I already went to the other computer when you told me to get a dmesg |
| 00:35.01 | DA_Busy | I'll do that now |
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| 00:36.27 | mindframe_ | what need to go into /etc/network/interfaces for wireless cards ? |
| 00:36.56 | wols_ | mindframe_: evrything to configure the card? |
| 00:37.13 | DA_Busy | http://paste.debian.net/24597 |
| 00:37.21 | DA_Busy | There's the dmesg |
| 00:37.26 | wintix | bzed: the nvidia installer will mess with my system, but should work, if i take the latest version supporting the 4800? |
| 00:37.42 | DA_Busy | bzed, wols_ ^ |
| 00:37.47 | wols_ | DA_Busy: why only half duplex? |
| 00:37.55 | wols_ | that doesn't sound like a PC/debian problem to me |
| 00:37.55 | DA_Busy | No idea |
| 00:38.03 | Xorm | sloweth0 is sloooooow |
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| 00:38.06 | wols_ | # |
| 00:38.09 | wols_ | eth0: Transmit timeout, status 0c 0005 c07f media 10. does neither |
| 00:38.19 | the_mule42 | hi. i got some busy inodes after force umounting a cdrom. any way i can free them? |
| 00:38.25 | DA_Busy | What does that mean then? |
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| 00:38.52 | wols_ | it means your card tried to transmit data and fialed |
| 00:38.55 | wols_ | *failed |
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| 00:39.17 | shogunx | DA_Busy, that means that the card is either faulty or not properly seated inthe slot, or the contacts in the slot are dirty. |
| 00:39.24 | DA_Busy | Cause it's sending it into the bit bucket, more or less |
| 00:39.26 | wols_ | what is on the other end of that ethernet cable? |
| 00:39.35 | wols_ | cause I don't think it's your nvidia chip that is broken... |
| 00:39.37 | DA_Busy | The IPs it's sending to don't exist |
| 00:39.59 | wols_ | shogunx: since it is the second card already that has problems apparently, I think it's the other end |
| 00:39.59 | bzed | wintix: you'd need the latest version of the legacy installer |
| 00:40.01 | DA_Busy | wols_, my router |
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| 00:40.33 | wols_ | bzed: a 4800 is a GF4 4200 chip iirc. why legacy? |
| 00:40.40 | wintix | bzed: but that wouldn't give me AIGLX, hm? the readme says that 96xx has support for my old 4800 and the beryl guys told me to get something above 900 |
| 00:40.49 | bzed | wols_: because the 9xxx series doesn;t support that one anymore :P |
| 00:40.52 | DA_Busy | wols_, the forcedeth issue seems to be a well documented one |
| 00:41.05 | bzed | DA_Busy: the forcedepth issue is fixed in 2.6.20 |
| 00:41.16 | shogunx | wols_, i have been there and done that before with several 3com cards... what I said above was the cause. 100% sure. |
| 00:41.26 | bzed | wols_: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-a.html |
| 00:41.33 | DA_Busy | shogunx, do I could just try taking out, cleaning the card and slot and reinserting the card? |
| 00:42.02 | DA_Busy | bzed, I didn't see the fix... |
| 00:42.08 | bzed | DA_Busy: so tell me something else. did you get any error messages from the forcedepthj or did it just not work? |
| 00:42.11 | DA_Busy | bzed, 2.6.20.? |
| 00:42.14 | shogunx | DA_Busy, if you have some emory cloth type sand paper, try rubbing it lightly through the slot and on the pins on the card. |
| 00:42.19 | bzed | DA_Busy: do you read kernel changelogs? I DO. |
| 00:42.20 | DA_Busy | Whlch 2.6.20 revision? |
| 00:42.27 | jetscreamer | but first the mf'er deleted my sources.... |
| 00:42.32 | jetscreamer | stupid script |
| 00:42.39 | bzed | DA_Busy: answer my question please |
| 00:42.44 | jetscreamer | yes i made a backup first |
| 00:42.45 | bzed | jetscreamer: netselect-apt ? |
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| 00:42.55 | DA_Busy | It just dropped the connection |
| 00:43.02 | DA_Busy | Nothing more, nothing less |
| 00:43.14 | bzed | DA_Busy: which connection. what did you look at? |
| 00:43.23 | shogunx | bzed i use a rss feed of kernel changelogs... great resource. |
| 00:43.36 | enouf | !gentoosmite DA_Busy |
| 00:43.43 | bzed | shogunx: oh do you ahve a link to that? I'm used to get it from git.k.o |
| 00:43.52 | sprink_ | [off topic but cool: http://i6.tinypic.com/2hpod9j.jpg] |
| 00:43.59 | DA_Busy | bzed, I didn't really look at a whole lot.. ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 solved it |
| 00:44.11 | bzed | sprink_: indeed, that's great |
| 00:44.12 | shogunx | bzed http://kernel.org/kdist/rss.xml |
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| 00:44.50 | bzed | DA_Busy: that's definitely fixed, I had that erorr, too. |
| 00:45.13 | DA_Busy | bzed, which 2.6.20 revision was it fixed in? |
| 00:45.17 | amphi | sprink_: nice |
| 00:45.22 | bzed | DA_Busy: ok, the last thing I tell you now is just to use my kernel image and report on saturday if it works or not, or add a comment in my blog |
| 00:45.25 | DA_Busy | 2.6.20 clean? 2.6.20.1? |
| 00:45.39 | jetscreamer | are ya'll trying to type 'forcedeth' btw? |
| 00:45.47 | bzed | DA_Busy: I don;t care. I don;t trust you that you're able to build a serious kernel at all. |
| 00:46.08 | bzed | jetscreamer: I like it with a death at the end :P |
| 00:46.13 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 00:46.20 | DA_Busy | bzed, wanna see the .config? |
| 00:47.05 | bzed | DA_Busy: it's almost 3am. if you want me to tell you how to build a kernel, you may pay me 250 EUR per hour. |
| 00:47.15 | bzed | DA_Busy: are you willing to do so? |
| 00:47.18 | DA_Busy | I don't want you to |
| 00:47.25 | DA_Busy | I didn't ask you to |
| 00:47.33 | DA_Busy | Where did you get that idea? |
| 00:47.38 | jetscreamer | bzed: i might allow you to assist me in writing an udev rule |
| 00:47.43 | bzed | good then. I'll go to bed now :)_ |
| 00:47.45 | dennis_ | 250 eur? |
| 00:47.46 | jetscreamer | i'll think about it... ;) |
| 00:47.48 | bzed | jetscreamer: tomorrow? |
| 00:47.52 | dennis_ | how much is that usd about |
| 00:47.52 | dennis_ | lol |
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| 00:47.56 | jetscreamer | yeah not now fer sure |
| 00:48.08 | shogunx | dennis_, about a buck and a half |
| 00:48.10 | bzed | jetscreamer: I have an exam on friday and wanted to be in bed 2 hours afo |
| 00:48.18 | jetscreamer | go the fuck to sleep |
| 00:48.21 | jetscreamer | wtf :) |
| 00:48.22 | DA_Busy | I'm going to bed too... getting close to 03:00 |
| 00:48.34 | bzed | oh noes, DA_Busy is in my timezone |
| 00:48.42 | DA_Busy | bzed, good night |
| 00:48.42 | dennis_ | lol |
| 00:48.50 | DA_Busy | arse... :P |
| 00:48.52 | bzed | dennis_: I guess about $300 |
| 00:48.58 | dennis_ | germany? |
| 00:49.10 | bzed | dennis_: ja |
| 00:49.21 | dennis_ | thought so |
| 00:49.25 | dennis_ | where aboutz? |
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| 00:50.34 | bzed | dennis_: rhein main area |
| 00:50.53 | dennis_ | ah |
| 00:51.08 | dennis_ | i've only been to munich and frank |
| 00:54.00 | bzed | n8 n8 :) |
| 00:54.52 | the_mule42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.08 | dennis_ | uhms |
| 00:55.16 | dennis_ | rebooting should do it |
| 00:55.23 | dennis_ | but you probably dont wanna do that |
| 00:55.24 | the_mule42 | not an option |
| 00:55.24 | dennis_ | lol |
| 00:55.32 | dennis_ | figured |
| 00:55.35 | dennis_ | no idea then |
| 00:55.41 | the_mule42 | damn windows software... :) |
| 00:55.46 | the_mule42 | well, thanks |
| 00:55.56 | dennis_ | np |
| 00:56.37 | jetscreamer | lsof and kill whatever is pointing at the cdrom maybe |
| 00:57.01 | CompWizrd | forced drive open, as in paperclip forced, or as in software forced? |
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| 00:57.36 | jake | Where can I find a list of packages included by a task (e.g. desktop, standard, laptop, etc)? |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | CompWizrd: that's going to kill the app |
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| 00:57.55 | the_mule42 | CompWizrd: paperclip |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | jake: man tasksel |
| 00:58.04 | wols_ | jake: man tasksel |
| 00:58.04 | dennis_ | gotta kill the ap then |
| 00:58.15 | jake | I am not on a debian system, I'm getting ready to install one |
| 00:58.24 | jake | found one on google |
| 00:58.26 | jake | nevermind :) |
| 00:58.40 | wols_ | jake: then it's irrelevant. you can run tasksel after install just as good as when you#re installing |
| 00:59.06 | jake | I'm installing on a laptop, I want to make sure that I'm not going to be SOL by installing nothing and when I reboot I don't have utilities I need |
| 00:59.19 | mindframe_ | does wpasupplicant work with aes encryption? |
| 00:59.22 | wols_ | jake: that's still irrelevant |
| 00:59.42 | wols_ | you don't have less stuff available after reboot |
| 00:59.48 | wols_ | anything that you had before you have now |
| 00:59.56 | jake | Everything on the install CD you have on your booted/installed system? |
| 00:59.59 | jake | okay, great, thanks wols_ |
| 01:00.07 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 01:00.21 | wols_ | but after reboot you can install anything from the CD just as well as while you're installing |
| 01:00.24 | wols_ | so it's irrelevant |
| 01:01.01 | dennis_ | just type sysinstall at a prompt no? |
| 01:01.19 | dennis_ | should allow you to do postinstall package installs |
| 01:01.34 | wols_ | wth is sysinstall? |
| 01:01.47 | dennis_ | the command i have to use for my debian to |
| 01:01.50 | dennis_ | wait |
| 01:01.53 | dennis_ | n/m |
| 01:01.56 | dennis_ | thats my bsed |
| 01:01.56 | asg | wols_: freebsd thing |
| 01:01.57 | dennis_ | bsd |
| 01:02.02 | wols_ | ah |
| 01:02.08 | wols_ | evil software then :P |
| 01:02.09 | dennis_ | its baseconfig on debian |
| 01:02.09 | dennis_ | lol |
| 01:02.13 | dennis_ | indeed |
| 01:02.19 | dennis_ | bsd hates my soundcards |
| 01:02.28 | wols_ | there is no basconfig either. at least no command of that name |
| 01:02.40 | dennis_ | yeah |
| 01:02.46 | dennis_ | its a different command |
| 01:02.51 | dennis_ | i dont use it really |
| 01:02.56 | dennis_ | so i dont know the command |
| 01:03.00 | wols_ | why are you talking about it then? |
| 01:03.06 | wols_ | what do you want to do exactly? |
| 01:03.14 | dennis_ | me nothing |
| 01:03.16 | asg | I wanna rock |
| 01:03.24 | dennis_ | was trying to help jake |
| 01:03.25 | dennis_ | lol |
| 01:03.55 | asg | \m/ |
| 01:04.18 | wols_ | shogunx: ugh. nothing worse than a wannabe rocker |
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| 01:05.06 | enouf | poser :-p |
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| 01:06.25 | enouf | it's so nice to see people who still don;t know how to use lspci, or ifconfig are compiling their own kernels and coming here for help |
| 01:06.33 | dennis_ | ok |
| 01:06.41 | karsten | cafuego_: Nothing personal. |
| 01:06.50 | wols_ | enouf: some things never change |
| 01:07.00 | cafuego_ | Help! |
| 01:07.18 | dennis_ | now that bzed left is there anyone that can tell me what to do to install my nvidia card now that i ran the command the bot gave me |
| 01:07.19 | dennis_ | ? |
| 01:07.28 | karsten | enouf: To learn /ignore, one must first learn /ignore. |
| 01:07.54 | enouf | you're buging me out! man! |
| 01:07.58 | wols_ | dennis_: paste your apt-get update output |
| 01:08.02 | enouf | karsten: :-) |
| 01:08.07 | wols_ | since yous aid ther eis no contrib and non-free for you still |
| 01:08.13 | dennis_ | did the update |
| 01:08.14 | amphi | !comfort enouf |
| 01:08.14 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:08.35 | torrrr | is it possible to see network trafic per process? |
| 01:08.48 | karsten | erm, syncopated. |
| 01:08.56 | wols_ | karsten: stop the big words or I get confused and hit you out of my deep insecurity |
| 01:08.56 | dennis_ | ran the apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:09.13 | asg | torrrr: #iptables might know |
| 01:09.15 | wols_ | dennis_: sinec you don't want to do what I asked you. help yourself. bai |
| 01:09.23 | karsten | torrrr: netstat gives you partial visibility on that. Since processes bind to specific ports you can watch that. Maybe itop. |
| 01:09.24 | wols_ | enouf: see? ignoring is easy :) |
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| 01:09.47 | dennis_ | one sec i'll give you it |
| 01:09.47 | enouf | ..that was fun .. let's do it again ;-) |
| 01:10.17 | Dewi | torrrr: or ntop... which can also definitely show you traffic by *port*, and you can map ports to processes with some netstat switch |
| 01:10.39 | dennis_ | x1-6-00-14-85-29-af-5c:/home/dennis# apt-get update |
| 01:10.39 | dennis_ | Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 01:10.40 | dennis_ | Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release |
| 01:10.40 | dennis_ | Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Packages [621B] |
| 01:10.40 | dennis_ | Get:2 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Release [113B] |
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| 01:10.47 | enouf | thanks dpkg amphi .. i feel much better now |
| 01:10.47 | dpkg | enouf: de nada |
| 01:10.50 | Dewi | torrrr: of course that's kind of awkward... let us know if you find a utility that gives you like some pretty graph or sommat |
| 01:11.04 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
| 01:11.13 | Dewi | !pastebin |dennis| |
| 01:11.14 | karsten | torrrr: Short answer: not easily, though ISTR some new tools making this sort of thing more straightforward with time. |
| 01:11.15 | Dewi | ARGH |
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| 01:11.23 | Dewi | stupid nick complete |
| 01:11.24 | dennis_ | Get:18 ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu stable/contrib Release [100B] |
| 01:11.26 | enouf | !spank dennis_ |
| 01:11.28 | dennis_ | Fetched 6094kB in 5m56s (17.1kB/s) |
| 01:11.30 | dennis_ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 01:11.31 | asg | dennis_: stop pasting |
| 01:11.32 | dennis_ | opps |
| 01:11.36 | dennis_ | now why did you ask me to paste that |
| 01:11.48 | Dewi | dennis_: http://pastebin.ca |
| 01:11.50 | karsten | !tell dennis_ -about paster |
| 01:11.57 | enouf | Dewi: timing ;-) |
| 01:12.03 | karsten | dennis_: Use a pastebin. Do NOT paste to channel. |
| 01:12.14 | asg | !tell karsten about pasties |
| 01:12.17 | wols_ | dennis_: cause intelligent people know what the topic says? |
| 01:12.30 | karsten | asg: Can you demonstrate for me? |
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| 01:12.39 | karsten | asg: What's your bra size? |
| 01:12.54 | asg | karsten: 31a |
| 01:14.00 | dennis_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.04 | scruffy | I can build a kernel deb "the debian way |
| 01:14.17 | scruffy | I can build a kernel deb "the debian way" on one machine, then transfer it to the target machine, right? no? |
| 01:14.18 | karsten | scruffy: ... and you can do the hokey pokey. |
| 01:14.22 | scruffy | karsten: :) |
| 01:14.33 | karsten | scruffy: If the arches are compatible, yes. |
| 01:14.38 | wols_ | scruffy: yes you can |
| 01:14.49 | scruffy | karsten: i686 to target i386? |
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| 01:14.53 | karsten | scruffy: You can also cross-compile if needs be. |
| 01:14.57 | karsten | scruffy: ^^ |
| 01:15.11 | torrrr | ok, trying |
| 01:15.24 | jstevens | Whenever aptitude upgrades a kernel image on my etch box, /boot/grub/menu.lst is rebuilt with incorrect boot stanzas. The stanzas are built with root set to (hd1,0). I need to manually change this to (hd0,0) in order to boot. Is this a bug I should report somewhere? |
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| 01:15.45 | scruffy | karsten: would cross-compiling put me in danger of poking my eyes out? |
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| 01:15.54 | karsten | jstevens: Read the top of your /boot/grub/menu.list file and edit the *COMMENTS* correctly. |
| 01:16.09 | markybob | .lst |
| 01:16.10 | karsten | scruffy: Depends on the size of the cross and how you carry it. |
| 01:17.12 | |dennis| | Dewi: dennis_ != |dennis| :) |
| 01:17.21 | dennis_ | heh |
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| 01:17.48 | Fusion | errr |
| 01:17.59 | |dennis| | there we go Fusion avoids ConFusion!!! :)... |
| 01:18.02 | amphi | nice tail |
| 01:18.13 | Dewi | |dennis|: yeah... I'm choosing to pronounce yours kind of like "k!-dennis-k!" |
| 01:18.34 | |dennis| | heh... :) |
| 01:18.47 | jstevens | karsten: Ok, didn't know about the "default" option. This must have become an option some time ago. |
| 01:18.56 | jstevens | karsten: Thanks, I'll give it a try. |
| 01:19.10 | mindframe_ | wext for broadcom chips? |
| 01:19.16 | Fusion_2 | wols_, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5867. this is the results of the update |
| 01:20.09 | wols_ | mindframe_: have you loaded your drivers and are they working? |
| 01:20.37 | karsten | jstevens: update-grub (IIRC) uses the comments at the top of the menu.lst file to generate stanzas below. Changes in the automatically written bits are overwritten next time you you generate the menu.lst |
| 01:20.38 | scruffy | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5868 <-- it hates me. what am I missing here? |
| 01:20.40 | mindframe_ | the interface is up so i assume theyre working |
| 01:20.50 | karsten | scruffy: can't check, sorry |
| 01:21.16 | wols_ | mindframe_: if it's up you already have set your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:21.22 | mindframe_ | wols_, yes |
| 01:21.30 | karsten | scruffy: Erm, you're missing .config. |
| 01:21.38 | mindframe_ | wols_, cant see ap though |
| 01:21.40 | wols_ | scruffy: you need to give it a .config file duh! |
| 01:21.43 | karsten | !tell scruffy about cp |
| 01:21.46 | karsten | !tell scruffy about kp |
| 01:21.55 | wols_ | depending how you want it, either make oldconfig or probably in your case make menuconfig |
| 01:21.57 | karsten | scruffy: Missfire on cp, sorry |
| 01:22.25 | karsten | scruffy: What wols_ said. Configure your kernel, then build it. RTFM (as the factoid says) for full info. |
| 01:22.45 | scruffy | karsten, wols_: okay, looking |
| 01:22.53 | mindframe_ | wols_, hrmm it appears that nothing is using bcm43xx though. should it be this way? |
| 01:23.06 | wols_ | mindframe_: imho no |
| 01:23.19 | wols_ | mindframe_: what does dmesg say? |
| 01:23.35 | wols_ | fimrware put in the right place and it's found by the driver? |
| 01:23.45 | mindframe_ | guess not, couldnt find the .fw |
| 01:24.06 | mindframe_ | not available or load failed |
| 01:24.06 | wols_ | then I guess you need to fix that first... |
| 01:25.02 | jstevens | karsten: Thanks, I found a groot=(hd1,0). Changed it to groot=(hd0,0) and update-grub now works as I would like it too. Thanks! |
| 01:25.17 | karsten | jstevens: Schwwt. |
| 01:25.24 | karsten | jstevens: Schweet, even. |
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| 01:25.56 | mindframe_ | ah god damn looks like im gonna have to get into ndiswrapper again |
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| 01:26.30 | kth | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL <- Is there some package that provides this? |
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| 01:27.21 | wols | konqui_: yes |
| 01:27.35 | wols | !tell kth about search |
| 01:27.41 | wols | look for a libgl |
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| 01:28.45 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:30.19 | kiba | hmm |
| 01:30.34 | kiba | I am trying to umount but it is telling me that the device is busy |
| 01:30.51 | amphi | kiba: lsof | grep /mount/point |
| 01:31.10 | scruffy | wols_: regarding your last, I *was* uaing `make menuconfig`, which produced this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5868 |
| 01:31.11 | kiba | I seem to be successful |
| 01:31.20 | scruffy | s/uaing/using/ |
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| 01:32.51 | kth | wols: Thanks, found |
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| 01:44.50 | abrotman | yeah .. so there! |
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| 01:47.55 | ubuntugrl | if i set an alias, will it save for the future? |
| 01:48.18 | mfrisch | no go away ;-) |
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| 01:50.39 | destro- | ekkikrist how can i make my ubuntu more gooder |
| 01:51.37 | ekkikrist | install lots of non free software! |
| 01:51.54 | mfrisch | make it look like windows? |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | ubuntugrl: if you put it in your .bash_profile |
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| 01:52.37 | abrotman | destro-: try #ubuntu ? |
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| 01:52.51 | destro- | abrotman: try #sarcasm |
| 01:52.55 | destro- | you could learn about it |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | destro-: try fuck off and die ? |
| 01:53.06 | destro- | nah |
| 01:53.26 | simonrvn | 'more gooder'? |
| 01:53.33 | mfrisch | abrotman's helping the ubuntugirl |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | no i :) |
| 01:53.47 | piper69 | can someone please check this site and see if it's working or no...i don't know if its my computer http://feraga.com/node/94 |
| 01:54.05 | ekkikrist | dont dl the viras! |
| 01:54.06 | destro- | piper69 when i go there |
| 01:54.10 | destro- | i see porno |
| 01:54.17 | piper69 | nooo |
| 01:54.18 | destro- | why did you send me to a porno site? |
| 01:54.23 | destro- | i am at work |
| 01:54.25 | destro- | i could get fired |
| 01:54.32 | amphi | heh |
| 01:54.33 | abrotman | destro-: stop being an ass |
| 01:54.41 | destro- | abrotman: i love you |
| 01:54.57 | ekkikrist | Everybody's hugging |
| 01:54.57 | destro- | ekkikrist: how was work |
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| 01:55.21 | ekkikrist | I have performed my duties belittling the ubuntunites |
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| 01:55.41 | destro- | i was told we are not to offer ubuntu or debian |
| 01:55.49 | destro- | due to hardware blah |
| 01:56.00 | simonrvn | destro-: if you weren't on ignore, i'd tell you to STFU |
| 01:56.13 | mindframe_ | is ndiswrapper module not enabled by default in debian? |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | no it is not |
| 01:56.19 | destro- | nope |
| 01:56.20 | jetscreamer | what, did you use a different name ekkikrist ? |
| 01:56.23 | simonrvn | it's not installed, period |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | !ndiswarpper one-liner |
| 01:56.29 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:56.30 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper one-liner] apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 01:56.30 | amphi | heh |
| 01:56.35 | simonrvn | mmm, warpper eh? :) |
| 01:56.44 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 01:56.56 | destro- | stupid broadcom |
| 01:57.01 | jetscreamer | gi joe kicked destro's ass |
| 01:57.04 | jetscreamer | loser |
| 01:57.06 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 01:57.07 | mfrisch | hey she's learning |
| 01:57.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:57.30 | destro- | i wish my wife would use ubuntu |
| 01:57.31 | mindframe_ | hoho |
| 01:57.55 | simonrvn | what happened? i had him on /ig -replies |
| 01:58.08 | jetscreamer | somebody !op destro is being gay or something |
| 01:58.11 | mindframe_ | thanks for that abrotman |
| 01:58.12 | ekkikrist | destro-: Actually somebody mentioned they are going to "use the backported d-i to install debian and then roll their own custom kernel". I don't think thats a good idea :) |
| 01:58.16 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:58.24 | destro- | ekkikrist well i was told |
| 01:58.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you can do it ? |
| 01:58.34 | destro- | we are to stop installing debian |
| 01:58.42 | destro- | for stupid purposes too |
| 01:58.51 | ekkikrist | I'd like to test etch when it comes out, see how it does on the new hardware |
| 01:58.52 | abrotman | destro-: if you and whatever tard want to talk about work ... try /msg |
| 01:58.58 | destro- | mainly because of the hp dl3xx hardware |
| 01:59.04 | jetscreamer | abrotman: but i just 'popped in' and dont intend to 'hang' ... i just find him immediately irritating though |
| 01:59.07 | destro- | the g5 series |
| 01:59.29 | destro- | what kernel is etch coming with |
| 01:59.32 | ekkikrist | abrotman: Actually maybe you could help, we are trying to find out if the debian kernels will boot on new hp hardware |
| 01:59.39 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 01:59.48 | destro- | well sarge is a no go |
| 01:59.51 | ekkikrist | ooh try it and see |
| 01:59.58 | wols | ekkikrist: you two should have asked BEFORE behaving like the asses you are |
| 01:59.59 | ekkikrist | it'll be like a surprise :) |
| 02:00.04 | simonrvn | i'd try a recent mainline too... |
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| 02:00.29 | piper69 | abrotman: can you check the site for me prety please |
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| 02:00.34 | abrotman | piper69: it's down |
| 02:00.42 | abrotman | piper69: oh .. the DB server is fucked |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | The MySQL error was: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'db.feraga.com' (4). |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | shocking ... |
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| 02:01.29 | piper69 | abrotman: errr they had an articl i wanted it so bad |
| 02:01.39 | piper69 | i guess i just have to wait |
| 02:01.49 | abrotman | or call them .. or use google cache |
| 02:02.06 | piper69 | abrotman: how can i use google cache |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | google the page .. and use the cached version ? |
| 02:02.36 | jetscreamer | are you sure they aren't the same person? |
| 02:02.41 | destro- | get a flux capacitor, time travel and look at it when it was still up |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | destro-: just shut up already .. be useful or ask questions or leave |
| 02:03.33 | destro- | how can i get the best performance out of the cciss driver on a compaq raid controller when running 2.4 kernel |
| 02:03.33 | piper69 | abrotman: btw i have an interview tomorrow for a 5ESS switch engineer |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:03.46 | piper69 | i am excited |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | you should be |
| 02:04.10 | ekkikrist | tell them you read about it in phrack mag |
| 02:04.11 | piper69 | $45 /hr |
| 02:04.31 | ekkikrist | with cred. like that getting the job will be a cinch |
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| 02:05.07 | aptura | apt-cache search shows what modules are on my system right? |
| 02:05.14 | destro- | no |
| 02:05.16 | wols | aptura: no |
| 02:05.16 | destro- | what is available |
| 02:05.26 | aptura | on debians ftp server? |
| 02:05.30 | wols | aptura: what kind of modules do you look for? |
| 02:05.34 | destro- | int he repos |
| 02:05.39 | ekkikrist | nvidia modules |
| 02:05.42 | ekkikrist | and other non free stuffs |
| 02:06.00 | aptura | wols kernel headers and kernel source where both version numbers match exactly for a older intel system. |
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| 02:06.38 | abrotman | oh .. the troll left |
| 02:06.39 | wols | aptura: why older intel? current kernels work fine for older hardware. what kernel exactly? |
| 02:06.50 | aptura | 2.6.8 |
| 02:06.54 | wols | abrotman: his "friend" is still here |
| 02:07.05 | aptura | 2.6.12 is the most current but is it the most "rock solid" stable? |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | aptura: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 02:07.07 | wols | apt-cache search kernel-header |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | ekkikrist: shouldn't you be going too ? |
| 02:07.16 | ekkikrist | Nah |
| 02:07.18 | wols | there is no 2.6.12 in debian |
| 02:07.22 | aptura | okay |
| 02:07.27 | aptura | so its 2.6.8? |
| 02:07.28 | ekkikrist | I'll stick around, maybe I will learn something. |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 02:07.47 | wols | yes 2.6.8 is the current kernel for sarge/stable |
| 02:08.20 | piper69 | abrotman: how to use the cache i have never used that or heard about it |
| 02:08.23 | aptura | so what does the -3 after 2.6.8 mean? or 3-386? |
| 02:08.53 | aptura | guest just showed up will be back in about 30 min. |
| 02:09.07 | piper69 | abrotman: where do you live? can you pm me |
| 02:09.12 | wols | piper69: when you google, many links have a little link underneath "cache". click that |
| 02:09.31 | wols | aptura: 3rd version of that particular kernel version |
| 02:09.44 | wols | aptura: -386 denotes the cpu it is optimzed for |
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| 02:11.57 | abrotman | wols: 3rd binary revision |
| 02:13.06 | mfrisch | abrotman: I allways though it was third set of debian patches to the base. |
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| 02:14.11 | lcphr3ak | Hey, i've just got done compiling my kernel (use to doing it the old fasion way), and i noticed a line in grub's menu.lst (which use to be grub.conf) that has an extra line, "initrd" with an initrd image behind it. Can i just use the image listed? or was there a new one compiled? i'm a little lost. |
| 02:14.36 | mfrisch | lcphr3ak: did ya make a initrd? |
| 02:14.53 | amphi | lcphr3ak: did you do make-kpkg --initrd ? |
| 02:15.09 | lcphr3ak | nope, i assume that should be done? lol |
| 02:15.31 | wols | lcphr3ak: I assume you have no business compiling kernels until you ready a fair amount first |
| 02:15.33 | amphi | lcphr3ak: it is if you tell it to do it |
| 02:15.50 | amphi | lcphr3ak: man make-kpkg is of use ;) |
| 02:16.02 | wols | *read |
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| 02:16.26 | wols | lcphr3ak: if you config the kernel right, you probably don't need a initrd |
| 02:16.27 | lcphr3ak | lol, i just compiled it the old way. Didn't know about the initd image. |
| 02:16.49 | wols | initrd is an old thing. existed quite a long time now |
| 02:16.51 | mfrisch | lcphr3ak: do you really need a custom kernel? |
| 02:16.55 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 02:16.56 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 02:16.58 | lcphr3ak | well, i didn't use kpgk. make clean; make dep, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | holy jeez |
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| 02:17.37 | mfrisch | old school! |
| 02:17.52 | lcphr3ak | well, i need to recompile it considering it is the default and has about 20 more modules of crap i don't need |
| 02:17.52 | mfrisch | lcphr3ak: do you really need a custom kernel? |
| 02:18.02 | wols | mfrisch: not old school but simply stoopid |
| 02:18.12 | wols | lcphr3ak: wrong |
| 02:18.37 | mindframe_ | whats the xorg driver name for intel cards? |
| 02:18.43 | wols | those "20 more modules of crap i don't need" don't hurt you in the slightest unless you only have a 100MB harddisk |
| 02:18.55 | wols | mfrisch: i810 iirc |
| 02:18.58 | wols | ask abrotman :) |
| 02:18.59 | lcphr3ak | why can't i be obsessive? |
| 02:19.12 | lcphr3ak | why do i have linux if i can't customize it? |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 02:19.15 | mfrisch | lcphr3ak: do it on your own time |
| 02:19.16 | wols | cause you obviously lack the skills to be |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:19.30 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:19.38 | wols | that pretty much applies to you too |
| 02:19.44 | amphi | heh |
| 02:19.54 | lcphr3ak | what, are you kidding? those commands are common |
| 02:20.11 | wols | initrd is very common too. existed for >10 years now |
| 02:20.16 | mfrisch | lcphr3ak: so is make-kpkg |
| 02:20.20 | lcphr3ak | debian is weird. It has it's own packages and stuff. I was just making sure that i didn't have to make another image |
| 02:20.26 | amphi | lcphr3ak: none of them make an initrd for you |
| 02:21.36 | lcphr3ak | that's all i needed to know, thanks |
| 02:21.36 | lcphr3ak | wols: you're a dirty jew :) |
| 02:21.37 | wols | initrd is used by pretty much every distro out there |
| 02:21.37 | wols | lando: you're an anti-semite |
| 02:21.38 | amphi | ah, the customary heroic parting shot |
| 02:21.38 | wols | doh |
| 02:21.38 | wols | lando: sorry. not for you |
| 02:21.46 | mfrisch | wols: at least get the nick right first ;-) |
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| 02:25.45 | wols | US Patent and Trademark Office has launched their accelerated review process. "Applicants' submissions enjoy a presumption of patentability" <- what could go wrong with such a great policy? |
| 02:26.09 | enouf | wols: heh .. qoftd-smite me ;-) |
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| 02:26.38 | lewis2 | how do you 'empty' a file in perl? http://pastebin.ca/414537 |
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| 02:26.48 | abrotman | ask #perl ? |
| 02:27.02 | lewis2 | okies :) |
| 02:27.03 | wols | enouf: the kernel problem and the IA64 64bit fiaco must be the most common stupidest recurring questions in here |
| 02:27.43 | wols | debian should have adopted the name x86-64 instead. Damn AMD fanbois |
| 02:28.21 | enouf | hrm .. let's combine the two for efficiency, and tell everyone who wants to not use make-kpkg that they need to use ia64 .. lol |
| 02:29.00 | wols | would cut down on stupid users. the only ones left would be stupid users with too much money :) |
| 02:30.33 | enouf | .. and we should send those to mikes computers, or alienware .. |
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| 02:36.40 | wols | alienware? you want to give them dells? wow, that's low |
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| 02:36.48 | wols | besides: if we send them, do we get commission? |
| 02:38.55 | enouf | oh yes .. i can certainly be the "evil clown" http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm (courtesy of infi) |
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| 02:40.53 | mfrisch | debiangrl: you got a ? |
| 02:42.45 | markybob | interesting that we had ubuntugr@c-68-82-237-20.hsd1.pa.comcast.net earlier |
| 02:43.13 | enouf | she's a recent amphi convert |
| 02:43.27 | markybob | i see |
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| 02:43.42 | mfrisch | markybob: I know...but now we will answer her alias ? off she goes |
| 02:43.57 | debiangrl | what? |
| 02:44.06 | enouf | you know .. chicks dig those land/water mammals :-P |
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| 02:44.54 | debiangrl | alias ? |
| 02:45.11 | enouf | !greet debiangrl |
| 02:45.12 | dpkg | Tag, debiangrl |
| 02:45.19 | enouf | what about alias? |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | gah .. more people from PA .. what's this place coming to |
| 02:46.02 | debiangrl | markybob: I know...but now we will answer her alias ? off she goes |
| 02:46.17 | markybob | abrotman, it's the same person, though, so not really "more" ... :) |
| 02:46.18 | mfrisch | abrotman: I wasn't going to say anything |
| 02:46.31 | Vasistha | I've determined that running a local IMAP server is what I need to do to properly handle my email. Any recommendations for a local IMAP server? |
| 02:46.41 | wols | markybob: having abrotman is enough already :) |
| 02:46.53 | markybob | ah. i never knew :) |
| 02:47.08 | wols | Vasistha: anything but uw-imapd. courier or dovecot usually |
| 02:47.24 | debiangrl | some guy in #linux told me that debian is a cult |
| 02:47.35 | mfrisch | yup |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | !phillysmite debiangrl |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | better? :) |
| 02:47.49 | wols | debiangrl: and he was totally right |
| 02:47.52 | markybob | abrotman, i hate your turnpike. you should sue your govenor |
| 02:47.52 | Vasistha | wols: let's see, I guess that leaves binc, offlineimap, and ... a good number of others? |
| 02:47.57 | wols | it's not for nothing we're called zealots |
| 02:48.02 | amphi | !adore the cabbage |
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| 02:48.15 | abrotman | markybob: which one ? |
| 02:48.36 | markybob | abrotman, hrm. cant really remember. i drove from maryland to IL and had to cut through the bottom of PA |
| 02:48.43 | wols | Vasistha: offlineimap is no imap server |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | markybob: i assume you mean the one tha tgoes from pitt to philly .. and goes bumpbumpbumpbumpbumpbump .. damn concrete |
| 02:50.13 | Vasistha | wols: hum, then maybe my "determination" was wrong :P What I'd like is to have a tool that does a local IMAP cache, and which can send updates to the IMAP server upon reconnection; however I've read that email clients just aren't very good at locally caching imap |
| 02:51.02 | markybob | damn zend makes the most annoying webinars |
| 02:51.30 | amphi | 'webinar' is one of the most annoying words |
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| 02:52.00 | lfs | Is /proc/acpi standard on Debian? |
| 02:52.11 | Vasistha | amphi: I was just noticing how ugly it sounds |
| 02:52.23 | Vasistha | lfs: acpi is compiled into stock debian kernels, so "probably yes" |
| 02:52.51 | lfs | I installed acpi but it is not free software. |
| 02:53.02 | lfs | What is the command to purge a package? |
| 02:53.03 | markybob | you people would call it what? "seminars which take place on the internet" ? that takes a *bit* longer and is thus more annoying |
| 02:53.05 | xL0giC | lfs: huh? |
| 02:53.14 | xL0giC | lfs: aptitude purge package_name |
| 02:53.15 | Vasistha | lfs: what software did you install?? |
| 02:53.16 | markybob | dpkg --purge |
| 02:53.28 | lfs | Which is better? |
| 02:53.38 | wols | Vasistha: offline imap ise awful usually. onle one client which can do it: mulberry (not in debian, non-free) |
| 02:53.42 | xL0giC | lfs: same thing |
| 02:54.08 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have installed madwifi using the debian way but when i scan for networks i can't get anything. Here are the logs http://nopaste.ch/8987665bc964cc5.html Could someone help me? |
| 02:54.26 | xL0giC | lfs: anyway, what software did you install, like Vasistha says |
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| 02:55.00 | Vasistha | wols: ...that seems to be the unfortunate state of things. but it also appears that 'offlineimap' is doing something similar to what I want -- or did you mean to include it in the "awful" classification? |
| 02:55.09 | debiangrl | abrotman, i'm a dallas fan |
| 02:55.10 | lfs | acpi |
| 02:55.14 | mfrisch | FernandoMM: what you scanning with? What are you connecting to? |
| 02:55.24 | xL0giC | lfs: just like: apt-get install acpi? |
| 02:55.35 | lfs | But /proc/acpi is still there. Is the temperature accurate? |
| 02:55.39 | lfs | right |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | debiangrl: i don't like the eagles? :) |
| 02:56.08 | wols | Vasistha: it's not awful but why do you want something like this? why not use pop3 then? |
| 02:56.20 | Vasistha | lfs: what made you think it isn't free? |
| 02:56.29 | FernandoMM | mfrisch: a access point near my laptop |
| 02:56.36 | lfs | acpi -V |
| 02:56.57 | xL0giC | lfs: the acpi package is for older hardware. what hardware do you have? |
| 02:57.08 | lfs | newer hardware |
| 02:57.09 | Vasistha | wols: with pop3, if I'm away from my computer, I can't access my email via a webmail interface. |
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| 02:57.16 | xL0giC | lfs: i don't even have that installed and i can get /proc/acpi info no problem.. |
| 02:57.21 | mfrisch | FernandoMM: a wep enabled netgear would be a better discricption. |
| 02:57.37 | Vasistha | lfs: just to check, what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:57.40 | lfs | I got rid of it. I dont want nonfree software |
| 02:57.47 | lfs | testing |
| 02:57.51 | debiangrl | abrotman, my boyfriend is an eagles fan. we get into some big fights during the season |
| 02:57.54 | xL0giC | lfs: it IS free. |
| 02:58.09 | piper69 | what is chroot jail? |
| 02:58.35 | pickcoder | piper69: there's hundreds of pages on the web about that |
| 02:58.47 | psykidellic | hi...i have Debian Etch upgraded from Sarge....The kernel it is currently using 2.4...I want to upgrade to 2.6 (for no particular reason)....can this upgrade be done without formatting the system? |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | debiangrl: that seems silly :) |
| 02:59.05 | markybob | wow it's weird hearing "my boyfriend" in #debian |
| 02:59.08 | wols | lfs: acpi is in main. it is DFSG compliant then |
| 02:59.10 | psykidellic | piper69, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 02:59.10 | lfs | formatting the system? |
| 02:59.26 | Vasistha | psykidellic: it should be pretty straightforward; there's an upgrade guide posted on the debian website somewhere. Let me see if I can find it for you |
| 02:59.32 | xL0giC | lfs: download the source if you like http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/acpi/acpi_0.09.orig.tar.gz |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | markybob: better than "my sheep" :) |
| 02:59.48 | amphi | psykidellic: yes |
| 02:59.55 | markybob | abrotman, true :) |
| 02:59.56 | mfrisch | abrotman: ha |
| 03:00.05 | pickcoder | or "my human synthetic" |
| 03:00.18 | lfs | You are right. I was seeing things |
| 03:00.25 | psykidellic | Vasistha, thank you. A link would be nice :) |
| 03:00.25 | Vasistha | psykidellic: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ... it *should* be as simple as just (apt-get or) aptitude install linux-image-2.6-whatever |
| 03:00.37 | piper69 | psykidellic: are you charged per letter when you use you keyboard... if you are willing to answer a question, answer it, if you are trying to be a smart ass shut the fuck up |
| 03:01.00 | mfrisch | FernandoMM: you tell me what your connecting to and how I may be able help. |
| 03:01.09 | amphi | piper69: temper temper |
| 03:01.44 | FernandoMM | mfrisch: i'm trying to connect to a linksys wrt54gc |
| 03:01.48 | piper69 | amphi: because i was just asking i wanted to make a comment about it |
| 03:02.17 | psykidellic | piper69, dude....i think you have serious problem...i was about to explain it after giving the link but now since you have flared me up...i am not going to! |
| 03:02.22 | mfrisch | FernandoMM: wep or no? what is the command you used to scan?? |
| 03:03.05 | FernandoMM | mfrisch: the one on the pastebin -> iwlist ath0 scan |
| 03:03.12 | psykidellic | Vasistha, 4.6.1 looks the section for me! |
| 03:03.26 | Vasistha | piper69: did you even read the link he gave you? I think it answers the question "what is a chroot jail" pretty well, myself. I didn't know the answer to that question until I read that wiki article, and now I feel enlightened |
| 03:03.32 | piper69 | psykidellic: really no need, i just hate when some one ask a question, and others say go google it , make no sence |
| 03:03.59 | psykidellic | Vasistha, thank you! |
| 03:04.03 | Vasistha | piper69: he didn't even say google it, he gave you a direct link to the answer to the question! |
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| 03:04.23 | psykidellic | piper69, thats the norm everywhere...people expect that :) anyway...dont worry! |
| 03:04.25 | Vasistha | psykidellic: you're welcome! I've been enjoying etch and kernel 2.6.18 for almost a month now, myself :D |
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| 03:04.35 | amphi | piper69: people hate it when you ask questions the answers to which lie voluminously amongst the tubes |
| 03:05.08 | piper69 | Vasistha: which part did you miss , i said i wanted to make a comment about the chroot jail |
| 03:05.22 | mfrisch | FernandoMM: aah..it went right by me. |
| 03:05.26 | enema_cow | heh |
| 03:05.32 | roler | Is there a howto on how to setup postfix to allow outgoing mail server authentication so I can send email from any internet connection? |
| 03:05.40 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=isdn+simulator&restrict=linux |
| 03:05.41 | psykidellic | piper69, Vasistha forget it...its too non-issue to make anything out of it :) |
| 03:05.46 | piper69 | psykidellic: am sorry , i didn't mean it that way |
| 03:05.51 | jetscreamer | gah wrong windows |
| 03:05.54 | Vasistha | :-) |
| 03:05.55 | pickcoder | roler: there's an SASL and TLS how-to on the main docs page @ postfix.org |
| 03:06.03 | piper69 | psykidellic: we cool |
| 03:06.20 | piper69 | jeesssssss i will not joke here again |
| 03:06.36 | roler | pickcoder; thanks :) |
| 03:06.49 | pickcoder | roler: if you have specific questions, your best bet is first in #postfix |
| 03:07.15 | psykidellic | piper69, yup...i appreciate your effort that you put in helping me the other day with my Ethernet detection :) |
| 03:07.40 | piper69 | psykidellic: anyways what i was going to say is "what do you have to do to get to chroot jail"? |
| 03:07.51 | mfrisch | FredricR_: give me a sec |
| 03:08.22 | dondelelcaro | piper69: depends on what you want to chroot inside of it; debootstrap or any number of other tools can create a chroot suitable for that. |
| 03:08.28 | enema_cow | anyone on here using flowscan and CUFlow for netflow information collection? |
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| 03:09.34 | psykidellic | piper69, dondelelcaro gave the perfect example. But to be very true, i have never chroot jail myself! I just know something like that exists |
| 03:09.35 | piper69 | dondelelcaro: no no no bro i meah jail..preson ... |
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| 03:10.13 | jetscreamer | it's a joke, right? |
| 03:10.13 | piper69 | psykidellic: jail...preson...what do you have to do to get to jail ??! |
| 03:10.17 | mfrisch | FredricR_: you want wlanconfig... |
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| 03:10.24 | jetscreamer | !laugh |
| 03:10.29 | jetscreamer | happy? |
| 03:10.36 | piper69 | jetscreamer: man help me here is it slow in here or its just me |
| 03:10.39 | piper69 | lol |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | just you |
| 03:11.02 | piper69 | abrotman: here comes Mr-Mean |
| 03:11.07 | piper69 | ;) |
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| 03:11.10 | abrotman | when am i mean to you? |
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| 03:11.14 | piper69 | i love you abrotman you know that |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | i even told you about google cache! |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | with some help from wols :) |
| 03:11.37 | piper69 | abrotman: 5ESS DCS heheh |
| 03:11.39 | piper69 | :P |
| 03:11.49 | abrotman | eh? |
| 03:11.53 | piper69 | that i didn't know |
| 03:12.01 | piper69 | !eh |
| 03:12.02 | dpkg | 'eh' is synonymous with the american derivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara |
| 03:12.13 | abrotman | american ? |
| 03:12.30 | piper69 | hahahhahaaha i swear i knew you would say that |
| 03:12.32 | piper69 | lol |
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| 03:13.21 | piper69 | i will be right back |
| 03:13.31 | kds | bonjour tous |
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| 03:16.16 | smacnay | Hi, I have a wireless linksys print server and wonder how to add it to my cups config? Is it ipp://, lpd://, ? |
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| 03:17.35 | smacnay | The print server is at 192.168.0.50 |
| 03:18.21 | mfrisch | ipp://192.168.0.50 usually |
| 03:19.55 | smacnay | mfrisch: do I need to add the port of the server (there are two on the server) - the printer is connected to Port 2 |
| 03:20.03 | scruffy | karsten: had to edit package/config/mconf.c to get the 2.6.8 kernel to compile on *any* machine. Apparently GCC 4 related. |
| 03:20.34 | aptura | when doing a kernel source download apt-get would put it in /usr/src? |
| 03:20.50 | scruffy | aptura: yes, as a .tar.bz2 |
| 03:20.55 | aptura | okay |
| 03:20.57 | mfrisch | smacnay: huh what is it? |
| 03:21.35 | smacnay | linksys with 2 ports (usb and parallel) - printer is connected to usb which is port 2 |
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| 03:22.13 | mfrisch | smacnay: I reread it, don't know what it does. |
| 03:22.27 | smacnay | mfrisch: ok, thanks |
| 03:22.40 | mfrisch | smacnay: google it with cups |
| 03:23.07 | smacnay | mfrisch: thanks - will do |
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| 03:23.58 | enema_cow | anyone using virtualbox? |
| 03:24.23 | enema_cow | i just started using it, in lieu of vmware workstation |
| 03:24.33 | enema_cow | i havent formed an opinion yet |
| 03:24.48 | mfrisch | enema_cow: there are many emulators |
| 03:24.49 | Xires | why does adduser complain about only allowing 1 or 2 users?? |
| 03:25.25 | dondelelcaro | Xires: it'd be helpfull if you told us the adduser command you're using. |
| 03:25.27 | enema_cow | mfrisch: great. |
| 03:25.38 | lfs | Is airstrike a good program? |
| 03:25.45 | mfrisch | enema_cow: what do you want to emulate? |
| 03:25.51 | Xires | dondelelcaro; "adduser" |
| 03:26.01 | dondelelcaro | Xires: with what? just adduser? |
| 03:26.09 | Xires | originally, yes |
| 03:26.19 | dondelelcaro | well, adduser will fail, because you have to specify a user. |
| 03:26.19 | Xires | just 'adduser'..expecting the normal prompts |
| 03:26.21 | aptura | why does my command line say kernel-source 2.6.8 is installed yet I am running 2.6.12 ? |
| 03:26.23 | lfs | What is the most intense Debian gaming program? |
| 03:26.40 | lfs | I want to test this system. |
| 03:26.42 | enema_cow | mfrisch: im running test virtual machines. im just curious if anyone else is using virualbox and what their opinions of it might be |
| 03:26.47 | nn-knoppix-lapto | how can i pipe a device threw a netork and have it still be a device on the other end ex input :: /dev/st0 other end :: /dev/st0 shows up |
| 03:26.47 | Xires | dondelelcaro; didn't have to specify it to add the first user..is that first-user only? |
| 03:26.50 | Vasistha | aptura: `uname -r` will give you the kernel that is actually running |
| 03:26.56 | dondelelcaro | Xires: that's not adduser which prompts you. |
| 03:27.01 | aptura | im running 12 Vas |
| 03:27.04 | Vasistha | aptura: ...but you can have more than one "installed", and boot them alternately |
| 03:27.11 | mfrisch | lfs: nexiuz |
| 03:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Xires: the first user you are prompted by the installer, which has nothing to do with adduse.r |
| 03:27.20 | enema_cow | mfrisch: im pretty happy with vmware, but im interested in test driving an open source alternative |
| 03:27.20 | Xires | dondelelcaro; K..I think I'm confusing it w/ adduser on Slackware |
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| 03:27.36 | aptura | Vas I just want to have only one source and one header of the same exact version downloaded and installed. |
| 03:27.54 | Xires | dondelelcaro; alright..well I've added 2 more users, in addition to my original non-root account..now the 2nd can't use ytalk |
| 03:27.59 | lfs | nexius aint there |
| 03:28.01 | Xires | and it makes absolutely no sense |
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| 03:28.10 | aptura | if it is installed then need to make menuconfig and go back to 2.6.8 |
| 03:28.21 | Xires | dondelelcaro; can you tell me what makes adduser complain about only being able to add 1 or 2 users in the first place?? |
| 03:28.30 | mfrisch | enema_cow: qemu with the kemu kern mod is supposed to be "as fast" as running native. |
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| 03:29.08 | dondelelcaro | Xires: that's not what it's complaining about. It's complaining about the fact that it should be called as 'adduser user' or 'adduser user group'; man adduser; for details. |
| 03:29.28 | nn-knoppix-lapto | how can i pipe a device threw a netork and have it still be a device on the other end ex input :: /dev/st0 other end :: /dev/st0 shows up or somthing similear |
| 03:29.32 | dondelelcaro | Xires: as far as ytalk goes, I don't use it, but most likely the second user isn't in the correct group to be able to talk to the talk daemon. |
| 03:29.35 | Xires | dondelelcaro; okay..so arguments..understood |
| 03:29.35 | enema_cow | mfrisch: really? does it support native hardware drivers? it seems to me that this would be the only way to achieve native speeds. |
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| 03:29.54 | dondelelcaro | Xires: id; with the user that works and the user that doesn't should clue you in. |
| 03:30.04 | mfrisch | enema_cow: you can run xp in it..it takes awhile to get it to install though |
| 03:30.21 | Xires | dondelelcaro; both users are in the exact same groups..other than home directories, UIDs & GIDs..they're identical |
| 03:30.30 | Xires | including contents of their respective $HOME directories |
| 03:30.39 | Xires | and permissions |
| 03:30.41 | Vasistha | aptura: first of all, 2.6.12 is not in debian, so you're on shaky ground. second: uhm, just uninstall the ones you don't want?? |
| 03:30.58 | mfrisch | enema_cow: xen is better (if you have a cpu with virt) for native hardware support |
| 03:31.01 | enema_cow | mfrisch: ill have to check it out. the reason im interested in virtualbox is that i heard a rumor that feisty is going to have it installed by default |
| 03:31.14 | enema_cow | mfrisch: i agree 100% |
| 03:31.25 | Vasistha | aptura: maybe I'm not understanding your question. Can you boot 2.6.8? |
| 03:31.27 | dondelelcaro | Xires: then strace ytalk to see what is failing. |
| 03:31.34 | aptura | no |
| 03:31.50 | Vasistha | aptura: are you using a custom kernel for some reason? |
| 03:31.54 | enema_cow | mfrisch: not that a major distro packaging a piece of software means that its any good or anything |
| 03:32.05 | aptura | Vas only want one version. so source and headers need to match for compiling one driver. |
| 03:32.19 | nn-knoppix-lapto | how do i get /dev/st0 to tar on the other meshiean threw the network ????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:32.43 | mfrisch | enema_cow: I think its harder to get to work on debian |
| 03:32.47 | Vasistha | aptura: if you could learn to use the tab key, that would be nice ... it's above the Caps Lock ... type Vas<TAB> |
| 03:33.01 | aptura | I know how to use it |
| 03:33.57 | mindframe_ | hrmm i still cant get my wirless to work. ive got ndiswrapper installed with the driver loaded properly. it just not getting my ap. ive tried with and without encryption. any one have some ideas? |
| 03:34.15 | Vasistha | aptura: anyway... I'm having difficulty making any recommendations, because I don't really know what the problem is with your system. do you have a 2.6.8 kernel installed? does your system require some weird module just in order to boot? |
| 03:34.44 | Vasistha | aptura: ...you don't necessarily need headers or source in order to install and boot a kernel, unless you have some weird hardware |
| 03:35.28 | aptura | I have some wierd hardware that is why I am here |
| 03:35.30 | aptura | :) |
| 03:35.41 | aptura | It needs both and both to match :) |
| 03:35.43 | enema_cow | like a fake penis? |
| 03:35.47 | Vasistha | haha |
| 03:35.54 | enema_cow | j/k |
| 03:35.56 | enema_cow | :P |
| 03:36.40 | aptura | I know -686 is for the celeron/PIIIII/p4 so what is 386 for |
| 03:36.57 | Czuapak | how can I install beryl on Debian Etch? |
| 03:37.01 | enema_cow | aptura: sorry if i missed the previous part of the conversation, but can i inquire as to wht kind of hardware it is? |
| 03:37.01 | aptura | Err PIII that is :) |
| 03:37.08 | aptura | telephony |
| 03:37.24 | enema_cow | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 03:37.47 | Vasistha | aptura: you probably want -686 |
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| 03:37.48 | Vasistha | aptura: I'm on a PII and I use 686 |
| 03:37.52 | mfrisch | telephony like zaptel? |
| 03:37.56 | aptura | doing 686 now |
| 03:38.07 | aptura | ding dong guest. |
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| 03:38.47 | Vasistha | aptura: are you saying you can't boot your PIII without having a telephony driver compiled against the kernel headers? Cuz that's just weird, man. |
| 03:39.12 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I think thats impossible. |
| 03:39.24 | Xires | dondelelcaro; no evidence of failure |
| 03:39.38 | Vasistha | mfrisch: may very well be ... I'm not even sure what I *said* |
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| 03:40.01 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I don't disagree thats what he thinks |
| 03:40.09 | kupesoft | How are linksys-style wep passphrases converted in to wep keys? |
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| 03:40.31 | Vasistha | kupesoft: I don't think linksys does it any differently than anyone else :-) |
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| 03:41.15 | Vasistha | kupesoft: anyway, I believe iwconfig supports passphrases as well as raw keys |
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| 03:42.43 | pickcoder | mindframe_: try specifying the AP's MAC with iwconfig <device> ap <mac> |
| 03:43.19 | pickcoder | mindframe_: also.. make sure that ndiswrapper lists the driver for your card |
| 03:43.25 | markybob | Vasistha, it doesnt. iwconfig man page says passphrase is not supported |
| 03:43.30 | kupesoft | Vasistha: I'm wondering how they convert the passphrase in to a wep key (four options?). |
| 03:43.47 | kupesoft | I want to know the algorithm. |
| 03:44.00 | markybob | kupesoft, not happenin'. every manufacturer is different. you need the actual key |
| 03:44.21 | Vasistha | markybob: gosh, you're absolutely right. kupesoft you should listen to markybob rather than me... |
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| 03:45.21 | aptura | back |
| 03:45.22 | Snuggles | Is it possible to mount a .bin in Debian and play it as a virtual device? |
| 03:45.28 | Snuggles | Sort of like Daemon Tools in Windows? |
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| 03:45.50 | aptura | so if aptget install says kerne-source is installed how do I compile it with make menuconfig |
| 03:45.59 | aptura | its not in usr/src |
| 03:46.09 | jetscreamer | you can an iso |
| 03:46.22 | Snuggles | It's a .bin / .cue x.x |
| 03:46.28 | Snuggles | So I would need to convert that to an iso? |
| 03:46.30 | jetscreamer | if by bin you mean cd image format thingy, yeah.... i think |
| 03:46.38 | Snuggles | hmm..how would I do it? |
| 03:46.39 | Vasistha | kupesoft: a google search for linksys passphrase algorithm turns up some good results; the top one is interesting :-) |
| 03:46.42 | mfrisch | Snuggles: yes mount the iso in a loop |
| 03:46.45 | jetscreamer | you might be able to with the bin, but converting to iso would |
| 03:47.02 | Snuggles | So if I'm working with a .bin, wwhat would the process be? |
| 03:47.03 | pickcoder | aptura: you have to untar it |
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| 03:47.29 | markybob | Snuggles, use bchunk to convert to iso. then mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt |
| 03:47.35 | aptura | locating kernel shows it is not installed but its docs and readmes are |
| 03:47.58 | aptura | im not a debian user only linux :) |
| 03:48.00 | nn-knoppix-lapto | how do i get /dev/st0 to tar on the other meshiean threw the network ????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:48.08 | Snuggles | Awesome :) Thanks markybob. |
| 03:48.56 | markybob | aptura, if you're not using debian, then what you need is different than what we say. that's why you go into the channel of the distribution that you have. so please, dont waste our time |
| 03:49.02 | aptura | I am missing the source code for my kernel. |
| 03:49.13 | pickcoder | aptura: the tarball should be in /usr/src/ |
| 03:49.20 | aptura | mark this is debian |
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| 03:49.54 | aptura | pic its not there and locate does not show it in any directory. I think perhaps it was deleted so need to reinstall |
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| 03:50.03 | pickcoder | aptura: did you run "updatedb" |
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| 03:50.07 | aptura | no |
| 03:50.14 | pickcoder | then locate won't find the file |
| 03:51.47 | aptura | just did a updatedb. did a locate kernel-source.2.6.8 and shows its docs but not the compressed source its self. |
| 03:52.11 | pickcoder | aptura: dpkg -l kernel-source* |
| 03:52.16 | aptura | k |
| 03:53.05 | aptura | ii kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-16sarge6 Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches |
| 03:54.18 | aptura | yea so its there |
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| 03:54.32 | pickcoder | apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.8 |
| 03:54.57 | aptura | pic thanks what is the tree part do |
| 03:55.30 | Snuggles | markybob: It created two ISOs...is that normal? |
| 03:55.30 | pickcoder | it's a meta package for parts to build the kernel with debian patches |
| 03:55.39 | aptura | i see |
| 03:55.52 | pickcoder | aptura: apt-cache show <package> will give detailed info on any package |
| 03:56.18 | aptura | yea |
| 03:56.25 | aptura | okay so downloaded the tree |
| 03:56.35 | markybob | Snuggles, no? was it a multi-session bin? do they even have those? i've never had it make more than one. how large are they? |
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| 03:57.20 | Snuggles | Well, iso01.iso looks to have nothing in it... iso02.iso has something in it. |
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| 03:57.42 | Snuggles | Or rather, iso02.iso has what I need.. It's very odd. |
| 03:57.55 | aptura | dont see kernel-source 2.6.8 in /usr/src :) |
| 03:57.56 | markybob | Snuggles, i'd guess strange cue file |
| 03:58.05 | Snuggles | hmm..interesting. |
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| 03:58.26 | pickcoder | aptura: so remove the packages and reinstall |
| 03:58.35 | lfs | So what is the most graphics intensive Debian program? |
| 03:58.37 | pickcoder | I've never had a problem getting kernel source |
| 03:58.46 | aptura | the current one which was 2.6.12? |
| 03:58.46 | pickcoder | besides.. why are you wanting to compile it |
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| 03:58.57 | enema_cow | lfs: glxgears :P |
| 03:59.04 | aptura | pick because my source and headers are totally different versions |
| 03:59.05 | scruffy | enema_cow: beat me to it |
| 03:59.15 | Snuggles | markybob: It says it can't find the iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 03:59.21 | aptura | and my wierd drive needs both to match. |
| 03:59.23 | enema_cow | heh |
| 03:59.23 | pickcoder | aptura: um.. how did that happen? |
| 03:59.26 | markybob | Snuggles, what was your command? |
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| 03:59.50 | aptura | pick dont know and not interested in figiring why just need to straiten it out |
| 03:59.52 | Snuggles | mount -o loop file.iso01.iso |
| 03:59.56 | Snuggles | I tried the same with iso02.iso |
| 03:59.56 | markybob | Snuggles, that's not what i said :) i said mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt |
| 04:00.01 | markybob | add /mnt to the end |
| 04:00.02 | Snuggles | O! |
| 04:00.10 | pickcoder | the last kernel for Sarge is 2.6.8-16 |
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| 04:00.33 | Snuggles | Hmm..it wants a file system type o_O |
| 04:00.36 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:00.37 | pickcoder | actually |
| 04:00.52 | pickcoder | lemme check my sources |
| 04:01.01 | markybob | Snuggles, huh. should autodetect that. mount -o loop -t iso9660 foo.iso /mnt work? |
| 04:01.04 | aptura | pick so u understand now? |
| 04:01.18 | bullium | does 3.1 have an "official" rescue mode? |
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| 04:01.20 | bknitram | I heard etch will be released April 2nd. Is that true? |
| 04:01.24 | hark | !aww |
| 04:01.25 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 04:01.27 | pickcoder | aptura: not really.. if you install the headers and source for a specific kernel release they won't get out of sync |
| 04:01.30 | chronic1 | what would cause a timeout on the login on the local machine? |
| 04:01.31 | jetscreamer | try -t auto |
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| 04:01.40 | chronic1 | would that be me screwing up the nsswitch or something? |
| 04:01.40 | pickcoder | unless you compiled your own kernel from kern.org |
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| 04:02.11 | aptura | pick anyway I just did a pkg or what ever it was against 2.6.8 so I do not see it in /usr/src and need to make menuconfig it now. |
| 04:02.18 | Snuggles | haha..wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or other error. |
| 04:02.32 | lfs | What is glxgears? |
| 04:02.35 | jetscreamer | you mount on loop as root |
| 04:02.35 | Snuggles | iso02.iso gives that, but iso01.iso works....very odd. |
| 04:02.46 | jetscreamer | it's a program that twiddles gears |
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| 04:02.55 | Snuggles | I'm root :) |
| 04:03.04 | markybob | Snuggles, i fail to see the humor :) |
| 04:03.09 | mfrisch | Snuggles: god help us |
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| 04:03.25 | Snuggles | lol |
| 04:03.28 | jetscreamer | well he's not irc'ing as root at least |
| 04:03.40 | amphi | Snuggles: does file(1) think it's an iso image? |
| 04:03.41 | Snuggles | No that's not what I meant. I su'd to root ^_^ |
| 04:03.59 | Snuggles | nooo idea amphi |
| 04:04.07 | pickcoder | aptura: I just ran apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 and I have a bzip2 tarball in /usr/src |
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| 04:04.27 | pickcoder | remove the tree and source pckages |
| 04:04.28 | pickcoder | then reinstall |
| 04:04.38 | amphi | Snuggles: do 'file iso02.iso' - what does it say? |
| 04:04.41 | lfs | OK what else is there? |
| 04:04.47 | mfrisch | lfs: nexiuz |
| 04:04.48 | aptura | pick its not in my /usr/src |
| 04:04.50 | aptura | :/ |
| 04:04.51 | bknitram | nm... found it in the topic... |
| 04:04.56 | lfs | I cant find nexiuz |
| 04:05.21 | Snuggles | amphi: data. |
| 04:05.21 | mfrisch | !info nexiuz |
| 04:05.22 | jetscreamer | enemy territory |
| 04:05.29 | aptura | why does debian be such a pain at times. |
| 04:05.30 | markybob | pickcoder, not much. tells you what it is |
| 04:05.50 | pickcoder | aptura: change your apt mirror |
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| 04:05.54 | amphi | Snuggles: haha |
| 04:06.06 | nn-knoppix-lapto | :) |
| 04:06.10 | Snuggles | amphi: What? o.O |
| 04:06.13 | mfrisch | lfs: not nexiuz uhm give me a sec |
| 04:06.13 | markybob | aptura, it's not. some idiot on your end just deleted it previously probably |
| 04:06.18 | aptura | where :) /etc/apt.conf?:) |
| 04:06.21 | amphi | Snuggles: it's not an iso image, or it's corrupt (which is the same ;) |
| 04:06.26 | Snuggles | -_- |
| 04:06.27 | Snuggles | Grrrr |
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| 04:06.33 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/guess |
| 04:06.33 | pickcoder | aptura: never mind |
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| 04:06.42 | roler | does a postfix/sasl/tls setup run on another port than 25? |
| 04:06.46 | Snuggles | I'm guessing the latter amphi. |
| 04:06.48 | pickcoder | remove the packages and then use "dpkg --purge <package>" |
| 04:06.56 | mfrisch | lfs: nexuiz |
| 04:07.10 | amphi | Snuggles: if it were, file(1) would say "ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data" |
| 04:07.15 | nn-knoppix-tst-2 | :-D |
| 04:07.22 | pickcoder | maybe it assumes that the tarball is a config file |
| 04:07.27 | pickcoder | and won't "remove" it |
| 04:07.36 | aptura | k my mirrirs are pointing to debian |
| 04:07.39 | pickcoder | which would be a bit ignorant |
| 04:07.49 | Snuggles | Hmm, interesting.. |
| 04:08.00 | nn-knoppix-tst-2 | =-O tired good night |
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| 04:08.06 | Snuggles | So bchunk wants me to to.. 'bchunk file.bin file.cue file.iso' right? |
| 04:08.20 | aptura | err wait thay are pointing to mirrors.kernel and security.debian so these are prehaps the defalt locations. |
| 04:08.22 | pickcoder | markybob: urandom isn't a file |
| 04:08.27 | Snuggles | Or is there a switch I should be utilizing in bchunk like -r ? |
| 04:08.40 | pickcoder | aptura: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin |
| 04:08.41 | markybob | pickcoder, i know. it tells you it's character special (1/9) |
| 04:08.45 | aptura | and xorcom of course |
| 04:08.55 | pickcoder | markybob: heh.. tried it eh? |
| 04:08.55 | lfs | Thats a big program |
| 04:09.28 | aptura | http://pastebin.ca/414635 |
| 04:09.53 | mfrisch | lfs: well glxgears does benchmarking |
| 04:09.54 | aptura | man i could use a bunge cord right now ;) |
| 04:10.00 | markybob | pickcoder, kinda. drop the iso at the end. but that'll only alter how the end result is named. i've yet to have bchunk not work on me. you might wanna just try burning the bin/cue to see if it's even valid |
| 04:10.03 | pickcoder | I would expect kernel's mirror to be right |
| 04:10.05 | markybob | Snuggles, --^ |
| 04:10.11 | markybob | wrong person |
| 04:10.19 | Snuggles | hmm.. |
| 04:10.23 | pickcoder | aptura: try the remove first and then use the dpkg --purge on it |
| 04:10.38 | pickcoder | if it doesn't install after that, then something is majorly b0rked |
| 04:10.41 | aptura | u mean just rm -r the file |
| 04:10.45 | pickcoder | no |
| 04:10.48 | pickcoder | apt-get remove <package> |
| 04:10.52 | aptura | k |
| 04:10.52 | pickcoder | dpkg --purge <package> |
| 04:10.59 | Snuggles | What burning software do you recommend markybob? I've yet to experiment with that. |
| 04:11.13 | markybob | Snuggles, what do you use? gnome? kde? |
| 04:11.19 | Snuggles | gnome for now. |
| 04:11.22 | markybob | gnomebaker |
| 04:11.40 | Snuggles | mmk. |
| 04:11.50 | mindframe_ | pickcoder, i tried what you said about setting the mac for the ap. i even tried to set it in /etc/network/interfaces. no go. and yes ndiswrapper is detecting the driver properly. |
| 04:12.10 | pickcoder | mindframe_: does ndiswrapper say that it sees the device? |
| 04:12.30 | pickcoder | you should also see something in dmesg about it, when you modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 04:12.44 | pickcoder | remove the ndiswrapper module and then modprobe it again |
| 04:13.14 | aptura | okay removed and now reinstalling it again |
| 04:13.34 | aptura | okay great its there in compressed format |
| 04:13.49 | pickcoder | it must have been deleted and it is assumed to be a config file |
| 04:13.54 | aptura | yea |
| 04:13.56 | pickcoder | which apt-get remove won't remove |
| 04:13.59 | pickcoder | so it won't reinstall |
| 04:14.04 | aptura | k |
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| 04:14.29 | aptura | so now just decompress and then make menuconfig and once that is done my system kernel should be that version |
| 04:14.52 | pickcoder | aptura: you should review the make-kpkg application |
| 04:14.53 | markybob | aptura, you realize that make menuconfig doesnt compile your kernel, right? |
| 04:15.01 | mindframe_ | pickcoder, yeah it lists the mac addy, ndis driver name, supported modes. then usbcore shows "registered new driver ndiswrapper". then ndiswrapper changes wlan0 to eth2. |
| 04:15.05 | pickcoder | it will build a complete kernel package with an initrd |
| 04:15.08 | aptura | it loads modules |
| 04:15.22 | markybob | aptura, really, if you dont know what you're doing, you shouldnt be doing it |
| 04:15.30 | lfs | U cant play nexuiz with a mouse? |
| 04:15.38 | mfrisch | markybob: yeah I compile kernels in like five min man |
| 04:15.51 | markybob | mfrisch, your point is what? |
| 04:15.59 | mfrisch | lfs: yeah you do |
| 04:16.36 | pickcoder | aptura: you only need build-essential and module-assistant to compile and install new modules from source |
| 04:16.37 | mfrisch | markybob: he thinks hes done in five min when he's done menuconfig |
| 04:16.42 | lfs | It certainly is graphics intensive |
| 04:16.56 | lfs | I am not sure my machine could handle it |
| 04:17.01 | mindframe_ | pickcoder, i dont suppose using a gui to manage the network will help eh? wpa_gui doesnt do much except not work. |
| 04:17.05 | aptura | mf...you way off |
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| 04:17.09 | pickcoder | aptura: feel free to hack up your install though |
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| 04:17.29 | pickcoder | mindframe_: you need to get it working in the command line before you try a gui tool |
| 04:17.41 | markybob | mfrisch, apparently we're way off. *shrug* :) |
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| 04:18.31 | pickcoder | mindframe_: what devices does iwconfig show |
| 04:18.49 | mindframe_ | eth2 is the only one thats active |
| 04:18.51 | pickcoder | actually.. just pastebin the output |
| 04:18.55 | mindframe_ | okay |
| 04:19.00 | manu_hack | hi, any program like zxpdf and zcat for ps file? |
| 04:19.36 | mfrisch | markybob: yeah I like the old days when you knew it was going to take hours |
| 04:19.54 | amphi | manu_hack: gv will read gzipped ps files IIRC, if that's what you mean |
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| 04:20.02 | aptura | mf like 10 years ago |
| 04:20.13 | aptura | slack was my first distro then |
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| 04:20.24 | markybob | aptura, what are you, a debian gangsta, mf? |
| 04:20.32 | markybob | get down we our bad selves |
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| 04:21.27 | manu_hack | amphi, thx |
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| 04:22.34 | mfrisch | markybob: what are you a fbi agent? |
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| 04:23.00 | markybob | mfrisch, heh...well...i watch x-files... ;) |
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| 04:23.55 | mfrisch | markybob: thats so 90's |
| 04:23.59 | aptura | mf no agent from any country will reveal there identity or domain online. |
| 04:23.59 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, http://pastebin.ca/414645 |
| 04:24.50 | mfrisch | aptura: yeah but I have wondered how many gov bots are around |
| 04:25.07 | aptura | mfrisch you will never know. |
| 04:25.09 | markybob | aptura, no one's made that claim, you goofball. and you can stop with the "mf" crap. canadian gangsta. |
| 04:25.30 | mfrisch | aptura: or if Bill Gates has one here...to get pointers |
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| 04:26.11 | aptura | mf he has no time to irc or anthing else other then his company. He is spending most of his off time with his wife and kid |
| 04:26.27 | Snuggles | Hmm..now it wants to mount the cd! wth :/ |
| 04:26.29 | aptura | and of course his company but not as much so. |
| 04:26.35 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: do you have wireless security disabled? |
| 04:26.43 | mfrisch | aptura: close friend? |
| 04:26.49 | markybob | heh |
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| 04:27.08 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, yes |
| 04:27.23 | aptura | mf I was in the W2k devekopment group in 1999 as a test engineer. met him and balmer when thay setup a dev group meeting. |
| 04:27.31 | markybob | oh please cut it out |
| 04:27.33 | markybob | it's getting old |
| 04:27.42 | Snuggles | markybob: I burned the CD, try to browse it and/or play it in VLC but it wants to mount it -_- So weird. |
| 04:27.56 | aptura | I counted 200 heards then so that was the size of it for betaw2k at the time |
| 04:28.02 | aptura | heads :) |
| 04:28.04 | Snuggles | But I don't get what's wrong with fstab though.. |
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| 04:28.14 | mfrisch | aptura: but yet we find you in #debian well everyone makes mistakes |
| 04:28.31 | markybob | Snuggles, what _is_ it? |
| 04:28.54 | aptura | I have used linux for 10 years just not consistantly because its so fricken stable I had to wipe a inch of dust off my last box. :) |
| 04:28.59 | Snuggles | The CD? No clue really. It's a video, so I assume it's supposed to be a VCD. |
| 04:29.07 | markybob | 10 years and you couldnt figure out how to get the kernel source? huh |
| 04:29.08 | markybob | neat |
| 04:29.33 | aptura | just like cars. Alot of techs dont have any toyota experaince because thay dont break :) |
| 04:29.59 | markybob | Snuggles, and...can you mount it? mount /dev/whatever /mnt ? |
| 04:30.13 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.ca/414651 |
| 04:30.21 | Snuggles | The CD? I thought I didn't need to mount cd's o.O |
| 04:30.31 | markybob | Snuggles, audio cds you dont |
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| 04:30.44 | Snuggles | x.x |
| 04:30.59 | markybob | Snuggles, and with video dvds most players can read the device straight from /dev/ so you dont need to, either |
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| 04:31.07 | Snuggles | Yeaaaah |
| 04:31.21 | markybob | Snuggles, but we dont really know what you're dealing with :) |
| 04:31.36 | Snuggles | I wish I knew at this point :D |
| 04:31.50 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: comment out the eth2 for now |
| 04:32.19 | mindframe_laptop | done |
| 04:32.20 | aptura | btw steve gates at the time said that linux was no threat so not to worry and I was the only one shaking my head :) |
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| 04:32.29 | pickcoder | take down eth2 |
| 04:32.48 | pickcoder | then see if wlan0 shows up in iwconfig |
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| 04:33.45 | amphi | Snuggles: vcds don't have a 'real' fs either, they're similar to audio cds |
| 04:33.48 | piper69 | can i use pico instead of vi? |
| 04:33.58 | markybob | pico? eek |
| 04:34.04 | amphi | Snuggles: vcds are teh sukc |
| 04:34.09 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, nope. im going to reload ndis |
| 04:34.12 | markybob | piper69, at least use nano |
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| 04:34.29 | piper69 | markybob: never used nano i am used to pico |
| 04:34.37 | Snuggles | Sweet! |
| 04:34.39 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, it came back as eth2 |
| 04:34.42 | markybob | piper69, nano's a free clone of pico |
| 04:34.43 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 04:34.47 | Snuggles | It mounted. Awesomeness. |
| 04:34.50 | markybob | cuz pico's license is demented |
| 04:34.57 | pickcoder | well try iwconfig eth2 ap <mac> |
| 04:35.08 | pickcoder | then see if it associates with it under iwconfig |
| 04:35.09 | autojack | I'm trying to install a recent Debian on a Thinkpad 570. everything works fine, but after I select the base system I want, the install hangs in "select and install software," showing 5% on the progress bar. I can get to another terminal if I press alt-f2, but... now what? |
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| 04:35.22 | markybob | Snuggles, well, that's something, then :) |
| 04:35.32 | Snuggles | Now lets see if the video itself works.. |
| 04:35.54 | Snuggles | I'm going to be absolutely amazed if it does. |
| 04:36.08 | piper69 | markybob: so what is the diff between pico and nano they are the same! what are you using |
| 04:36.25 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, nope. |
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| 04:36.44 | markybob | piper69, i use vi. i just have a thing with using free software. and besides, nano is installed by default in debian while pico is not :) |
| 04:37.23 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:37.23 | Snuggles | Okay so..what's the difference between /dev/hdc and /media/cdrom0? |
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| 04:37.23 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: what does dmesg say about the driver |
| 04:37.24 | markybob | Snuggles, one's the device and the other is the mounted folder |
| 04:37.33 | Snuggles | Ahh. |
| 04:37.56 | piper69 | markybob: vi is not free? |
| 04:38.02 | Snuggles | So if I mounted more than one device to /media/cdrom0 there would be problems? |
| 04:38.05 | paroneayea | alright, so I both did an apt-get dist-upgrade, then powered down my computer and installed a new sound card. |
| 04:38.13 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder http://pastebin.ca/414654 |
| 04:38.19 | paroneayea | for whatever reason, one of those two things is causing odd problems |
| 04:38.27 | paroneayea | regardless of whether or not I remove the sound card |
| 04:38.36 | paroneayea | as in, gnome's system monitor won't even load |
| 04:38.39 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:38.52 | markybob | piper69, well, if you wanna be technical, it's vim |
| 04:39.06 | paroneayea | did something strange happen in unstable within the last few days? |
| 04:39.25 | pickcoder | are you sure that mac is correct? verify it via iwlist eth2 scan |
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| 04:39.51 | aptura | snuggles I asume there would be if both devices where using the same memory slot at the same time. |
| 04:40.10 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, no scan results |
| 04:40.15 | pickcoder | set your essid |
| 04:40.16 | Snuggles | hmm.. |
| 04:40.24 | Snuggles | So mounting it to /media/cdrom0 might have been a bad thing.. |
| 04:40.26 | pickcoder | iwconfig eth2 essid <essid> |
| 04:40.49 | Snuggles | Although I can browse the VCD just fine, I just can't seem to play it in VLC..hmm |
| 04:41.15 | markybob | Snuggles, do you have xine-ui installed? |
| 04:41.31 | Snuggles | Yeah I've got Xine. |
| 04:41.38 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, essid stays at off/any. seems like im unable to control the device |
| 04:41.38 | markybob | xine /dev/hdc play it? |
| 04:41.50 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: try scanning again |
| 04:42.09 | mindframe_laptop | no scan results |
| 04:42.15 | Snuggles | lol.. |
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| 04:42.22 | pickcoder | I dunno what to tell you |
| 04:42.32 | Snuggles | THere is no demuxer plugin available to handle '/dev/hdc'. Usually this means the file format was not recognized." |
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| 04:42.48 | markybob | Snuggles, told you your bin/cue were fucked ;) |
| 04:42.53 | Snuggles | damn |
| 04:42.56 | pickcoder | if the driver works for that device then you should be able to scan devices in that essid |
| 04:43.01 | debiangrl | i'm trying to install the nvidia driver and get this error message when i try to run x with it "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 04:43.02 | debiangrl | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 04:43.02 | debiangrl | " |
| 04:43.08 | pickcoder | try obtaining a newer driver |
| 04:43.14 | mindframe_laptop | alright |
| 04:43.19 | mindframe_laptop | thanks man |
| 04:43.20 | pickcoder | lspci |
| 04:43.31 | mindframe_laptop | its broadcom 4318 |
| 04:43.33 | mfrisch | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:43.33 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
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| 04:43.53 | Snuggles | That makes me want to throw a book across the room :D But I won't. |
| 04:43.58 | pickcoder | ok |
| 04:44.21 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 04:44.27 | pickcoder | dpkg -l ndiswrapper-common |
| 04:44.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching ndiswrapper-common |
| 04:45.11 | mindframe_laptop | 1.28-1 |
| 04:45.15 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 04:45.43 | pickcoder | my linksys wireless-n card did that until I got all the params set |
| 04:46.09 | mindframe_laptop | params in ndis config? |
| 04:46.18 | pickcoder | iwconfig settings |
| 04:46.25 | mindframe_laptop | ah |
| 04:46.42 | pickcoder | I loaded ndiswrapper and then set the essid, ap mac, and the wep key |
| 04:46.47 | Snuggles | Hmm markybob, if it wasn't a corrupt bin / cue, what else could it be? |
| 04:47.06 | markybob | Snuggles, i dont know. i'm out of ideas with you. sorry |
| 04:47.15 | mfrisch | Snuggles: find one that works then ask. |
| 04:47.18 | pickcoder | you must have a usb adapter since usbmgr is reassigning the device name |
| 04:47.25 | Snuggles | No prob markybob. |
| 04:47.28 | mindframe_laptop | i dont, thats the thing :) |
| 04:47.34 | Snuggles | Thanks a lot for the help :) |
| 04:47.35 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:47.41 | markybob | np |
| 04:47.52 | pickcoder | which card is it |
| 04:48.31 | pickcoder | scruffy: you should stab broadcom in the hindquarters |
| 04:48.32 | mindframe_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.52 | mindframe_laptop | built into this dumb dell |
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| 04:49.09 | mindframe_laptop | a bunch of ubuntu users say theirs works |
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| 04:49.28 | pickcoder | using the bcmwl5 driver? |
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| 04:49.32 | piper69 | markybob: nah i will use pico is better for me, how do you exit from vi ctrl+z just stop it |
| 04:49.40 | pickcoder | that's the same driver my wireless-n card uses |
| 04:50.34 | markybob | piper69, ctrl+z puts it in background. esc and then :wq! will write and exit |
| 04:50.45 | pickcoder | though the actual binary is probably different |
| 04:51.02 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, do you think it'd be worth trying out the driver that dell provides for this laptop? |
| 04:51.09 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: yes |
| 04:51.13 | pickcoder | definately |
| 04:51.38 | Acu | I have a Digital Voice recorder /MP3 Player IRock!150VM and I do not know how to see it in Debian - any hint? |
| 04:51.40 | hark | !bcm43xx |
| 04:51.41 | dpkg | hmm... bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 04:52.13 | markybob | what that factoid doesnt tell you is that it doesnt work for nearly all 43xx chipsets and that it requires firmware |
| 04:52.23 | markybob | it's bullshit. |
| 04:52.34 | hark | yes, with the bcm43xx-fwcutter package |
| 04:52.35 | pickcoder | hark: it's unstable for that card |
| 04:52.50 | hark | ah, that sucks |
| 04:53.09 | Acu | markybob: bullshit is used as fertilizer - the grass is going to be taller |
| 04:53.44 | markybob | Acu, ...i guess the glass is half-full... ? |
| 04:53.52 | Acu | Anyone can answer my question about Irock! - which mp3 player is better to use with Debian |
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| 04:54.28 | markybob | acu tail -f /var/log/syslog attach it and see what it spits out |
| 04:54.29 | nn-k-ltop | hi |
| 04:54.29 | pickcoder | Acu: if it interfaces using usb mass storage then debian should recognize it |
| 04:54.41 | mfrisch | Acu: plug it in and see if you can mount it |
| 04:54.41 | Midspeed | hello everybody, how do i change the default Display Manager on debian??? |
| 04:54.47 | pickcoder | usbmgr helps with stuff like that |
| 04:54.54 | hark | check dmesg |
| 04:55.16 | scruffy | if my kernel deb is named linux-image-2.6blahblah instead of kernel-image-2.6blahblah, is that going to be OK? (already installed) |
| 04:55.25 | mindframe_laptop | god i fucking hate dell. all of their wireless network drivers for this laptop are like 52MB .exe's... |
| 04:55.46 | hark | Midspeed: dpkg-reconfigure gdm/kdm or /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:55.47 | markybob | scruffy, yes. all new ones are linux-image. got renamed months back |
| 04:55.55 | mindframe_laptop | they dont even say anything about the chipset. theyve renamed it to their own model. |
| 04:56.00 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: heh.. I know |
| 04:56.04 | scruffy | markybob: ah great |
| 04:56.13 | pickcoder | which laptop model |
| 04:56.21 | mindframe_laptop | latitude d510 |
| 04:56.39 | nn-k-ltop | rhapsody dues not update correctally is there a refresh key strock |
| 04:56.39 | hark | Midspeed: which one do you want? |
| 04:56.40 | mindframe_laptop | intel uses their own chipset right? |
| 04:56.52 | pickcoder | yes |
| 04:57.01 | Midspeed | i have kdm but i want to setup login.app or SLiM |
| 04:57.32 | pickcoder | which "dell wireless" is it |
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| 04:58.56 | mindframe_laptop | i put in my service code and it hasnt even narrowed it down for me. |
| 04:59.01 | mindframe_laptop | what a juc. |
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| 05:00.07 | pickcoder | here's one for all of them |
| 05:00.26 | Midspeed | any suggestions Hark? |
| 05:00.50 | hark | Midspeed: sorry missed what you said.. |
| 05:00.52 | Acu | markybob: and mfrisch: how can I see if is mounted ? I cannot see it in mnt or dev |
| 05:01.16 | Midspeed | Hark, i want to install login.app or SLiM, any suggestions how to do this? |
| 05:01.20 | Acu | markybob: and mfrisch: I was talking about the Irock! mp3 player |
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| 05:01.22 | markybob | Acu, i told you. tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug it in and see what syslog spits out |
| 05:01.23 | mfrisch | Acu: may be /dev/sd* |
| 05:01.59 | hark | Midspeed: they're not in Debian, right? |
| 05:02.42 | Midspeed | no there not |
| 05:02.44 | Midspeed | only login.app |
| 05:02.49 | Midspeed | i really want SLiM |
| 05:02.51 | Midspeed | but its not there :( |
| 05:03.05 | hark | !dm |
| 05:03.05 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 05:03.21 | GhostlyDeath | How do you pronounce Debian? I say it (dee-bee-en), what about you guys? |
| 05:03.36 | mindframe_laptop | wooo time to load up vmware |
| 05:03.38 | hark | !name |
| 05:03.39 | dpkg | somebody said name was The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
| 05:03.41 | markybob | deb as in debrah. ian as in...well..ian |
| 05:03.55 | GhostlyDeath | Well, You'll say |
| 05:04.19 | Midspeed | any suggestions Hark ? :( |
| 05:04.24 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: http://us.mvdevcentral.com/downloads/dell-wireless.zip |
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| 05:04.58 | GhostlyDeath | wait... |
| 05:05.23 | hark | yeah, create an init.d script which launches slim |
| 05:05.36 | mindframe_laptop | ah nice. did they give a release date on that one? |
| 05:05.39 | Acu | markybob: I got that it found an usb device ....a lot of stuff for inteligent people - let |
| 05:05.44 | hark | Midspeed ^ |
| 05:05.44 | pickcoder | um |
| 05:05.45 | Acu | !paste |
| 05:05.46 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 05:06.02 | pickcoder | I just closed it |
| 05:06.03 | pickcoder | hold on |
| 05:06.21 | pickcoder | 3/15/07 |
| 05:06.29 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: its a new world record! |
| 05:06.37 | GhostlyDeath | yay! |
| 05:06.44 | Midspeed | thanks alot for your help Hark but um... :| im not all that great on linux, ive only been using it for a while |
| 05:06.48 | GhostlyDeath | b |
| 05:07.00 | \amethyst | bah, I have a two-month-old windows login over here |
| 05:07.43 | markybob | \amethyst, which is used as what? |
| 05:08.01 | mfrisch | markybob: a screensaver ? |
| 05:08.32 | \amethyst | markybob: Running IE and visual studio |
| 05:08.59 | \amethyst | Visual Studio is mostly for the C++ class I'm teaching |
| 05:09.12 | Acu | markybob: or anyone else who wishes to see - can you look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5871 - this is what I got after tail - .... can you tell me if I can mount it or see the contents of the folders inside of the mp3 player - voice recorder ? |
| 05:09.22 | nn-k-ltop | markybob, hi |
| 05:09.34 | markybob | shalom |
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| 05:10.03 | markybob | acu let's see the output of lsusb |
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| 05:10.23 | nn-k-ltop | markybob, playing with rhapsody curses irc |
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| 05:10.49 | markybob | nn-k-ltop, is that code for something? |
| 05:11.02 | mfrisch | nickeltop |
| 05:11.23 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, looking better so far. |
| 05:11.39 | pickcoder | good |
| 05:11.43 | nn-k-ltop | markybob, irc client usefull when debuging NO GUI !! Yea |
| 05:12.08 | markybob | but...why are you telling me that? :) do i know you? |
| 05:12.24 | Acu | markybob: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5872 - there is the output from lsusb (preety short) |
| 05:12.30 | \amethyst | Acu: could you paste ls -l /dev/by-id ? |
| 05:12.32 | nn-k-ltop | markybob , just being help full |
| 05:12.48 | \amethyst | Acu: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id sorry |
| 05:13.49 | nn-k-ltop | ick i preferr gcc to gui MSVC |
| 05:13.55 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: me too |
| 05:14.25 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: But my students don't learn gcc until next semester |
| 05:14.39 | markybob | i've never used visual studio. guess you'd need windows for that ;) |
| 05:14.44 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, damn its still not taking it when i set essid or ap |
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| 05:15.16 | \amethyst | markybob: It's not bad, but I still prefer Unix as my IDE :) |
| 05:15.24 | nn-k-ltop | watvh for bug city |
| 05:16.16 | nn-k-ltop | no conio.h no windows.h etc big mess |
| 05:16.29 | pickcoder | the next step is try the updates for the specific model you have |
| 05:16.40 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 05:16.42 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: they've been trained to use only standard libraries :) |
| 05:16.43 | pickcoder | actually.. nevermind |
| 05:16.46 | pickcoder | they're older |
| 05:16.58 | pickcoder | did you remove the old driver first? |
| 05:16.59 | markybob | \amethyst, portable code is always nice :) |
| 05:17.13 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, good |
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| 05:17.32 | mindframe_laptop | yeah ndiswrapper -e |
| 05:17.42 | mindframe_laptop | it definitely installed a newer version |
| 05:17.46 | Acu | \amethyst: here you are (warning - I have 4 Hard Disks - two SCSI CHeetah and two Maxtors IDE - all with different partitions) however the usb devics donot show http://channels.debian.net/paste/5873 |
| 05:18.01 | mindframe_laptop | the new one is dated 10/12/06 |
| 05:18.07 | Acu | markybob: any hint for my usb device |
| 05:18.08 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, also teach the shell always inportant |
| 05:18.17 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: that's next semester |
| 05:18.21 | mindframe_laptop | i might try that one that dell has listed for 3/22/07 |
| 05:18.52 | mfrisch | \amethyst: where do you teach? they wouldn't touch linux when I was in school. |
| 05:18.56 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: About five or six years ago the department decided that making students use Unix first semester was bad |
| 05:19.01 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, this year is the intro?? |
| 05:19.02 | Gokee2 | Hello all I am trying to sync video to jack time and I found the program xjadeo that would seem to do just what I want however after apt-getting it when I try and start it it says "xjadeo: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" anyone know what I can do to fix this? |
| 05:19.09 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: yeah |
| 05:19.13 | \amethyst | mfrisch: Uni of Kentucky, I'm a TA |
| 05:19.19 | pickcoder | you can't scane either? |
| 05:19.21 | pickcoder | scan |
| 05:19.22 | markybob | Acu, no. |
| 05:19.26 | mfrisch | \amethyst: really COOL |
| 05:19.36 | mindframe_laptop | nope |
| 05:19.52 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, where u teavh |
| 05:20.11 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, where u teah * |
| 05:20.24 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, where u teach * |
| 05:20.24 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: I'm a TA at Uni of Kentucky |
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| 05:20.55 | nn-k-ltop | tat far from phl |
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| 05:21.07 | \amethyst | If you look at the revision history of the Jargon File |
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| 05:21.11 | mfrisch | \amethyst: yeah the best they could do was vb and "advanced" windows office classes. |
| 05:21.24 | hark | !wud |
| 05:21.24 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 05:21.31 | nn-k-ltop | ack |
| 05:21.37 | mindframe_laptop | pickcoder, i might end up buying a new wireless card. whats the best card that is natively supported? |
| 05:21.40 | \amethyst | ...the guy who began it is Raphael Finkel, who is a professor here |
| 05:22.40 | \amethyst | mfrisch: We've got a decent CS department, but it's not top 20 or anything |
| 05:22.45 | markybob | mindframe, what kind? pci? |
| 05:22.48 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, um how to i pipe /dev/st0 threw internt to tar so tar can hav I/O to it |
| 05:22.49 | mindframe_laptop | pcmcia |
| 05:22.53 | pickcoder | mindframe_laptop: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 05:23.18 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst, um how to i pipe /dev/st0 threw LAN to tar so tar can hav I/O to it ** |
| 05:23.41 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: With the ioctls for rewind etc? I don't know of a program to proxy tape devices |
| 05:24.19 | nn-k-ltop | that what im having trubble with |
| 05:24.25 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: does catting to and from the tape drive do what you need? |
| 05:24.30 | nn-k-ltop | i need direct pipe |
| 05:24.37 | nn-k-ltop | nope |
| 05:24.42 | mfrisch | cat /dev/st0 | ssh host |tar |/dev/st0 ? |
| 05:25.02 | mindframe_laptop | so prism looks like the best way to go |
| 05:25.04 | mindframe_laptop | that was my guess |
| 05:25.24 | nn-k-ltop | hu i will try that |
| 05:25.29 | pickcoder | I had no problems with the linksys wmp300n |
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| 05:25.37 | pickcoder | there is a pcmcia version of that too |
| 05:25.50 | pickcoder | but the card you actually buy may have a different chip on it |
| 05:26.20 | pickcoder | the orinoco/wavelan cards are always a good bet |
| 05:27.37 | pickcoder | if you don't want to deal with ndiswrapper |
| 05:27.41 | mindframe_laptop | i may end up doing some wireless pen testing with it too so i might go all out |
| 05:27.46 | mindframe_laptop | yeah id rather not deal with ndis |
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| 05:28.42 | pickcoder | bedtime |
| 05:28.44 | pickcoder | night folks |
| 05:31.07 | nn-k-ltop | \amethyst im onily 14 and am starting to admin a web server;; I wish others could know as mutch as i do about linux. | also im going to present my project (on the server) At the DVSF scince fair | Hope to become deb mirror etc|| |
| 05:31.45 | mfrisch | nn-k-ltop: its 1:30 and its a school night ;-) |
| 05:31.46 | \amethyst | nn-k-ltop: cool. I was about 14 when I started using Linux |
| 05:32.37 | Avochelm | Any predictions where the 1000 trendy folk in #ubuntu will migrate to next? |
| 05:32.45 | nn-k-ltop | y good night time flys if there were onily 27 hr's in a day bye |
| 05:32.47 | Acu | I have a simple question - why debian doesnot come configured for automount for usb devices enabled by default ? |
| 05:32.53 | mfrisch | nn-k-ltop: what you serving? |
| 05:33.23 | markybob | Acu, it does. your device just isnt supported, is all. you're the exception, not the rule. |
| 05:33.26 | mfrisch | \amethyst: I tripped him out |
| 05:33.41 | \amethyst | heh |
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| 05:36.58 | Avochelm | SuSe will start to look pretty attractive with the easy setup of 3D desktop stuff... |
| 05:37.09 | rjalex | hello. i have succesfully downloaded the madwifi drivers, compiled them and installed manually. is there a document which would guide me to building a .deb package inclusive of inst scripts ??? |
| 05:37.39 | rjalex | I agree Avochelm Suse will look more and more like Vista 8-) 8-) |
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| 05:38.12 | mfrisch | rjalex: you want install scripts? deb-repack? |
| 05:39.12 | Avochelm | rjalex, yep, i'm predicting SuSE will be the next "trendy thing" after ubuntu. |
| 05:39.26 | Acu | markybob and others: thanks ! see you around |
| 05:40.09 | markybob | Avochelm, no way in hell :) suse had its chance four years ago |
| 05:40.17 | rjalex | mrfrish hello. I have done everything manually from madwifi sources. nothing the Debian way ... so I was wondering if there are .dsc etc to also build a .deb package of the latest madwifi drivers I got with svn from madwifi.org |
| 05:40.34 | mfrisch | markybob: eight years ago. They are big in europe |
| 05:40.56 | markybob | mfrisch, i meant when they bought ximian. but yeah :) |
| 05:40.57 | rjalex | Avochelm mine was a sarcastic quip about the shady novell - microsoft deal ! 8-) |
| 05:41.07 | Avochelm | lol |
| 05:41.14 | Avochelm | i missed that :) |
| 05:41.17 | rjalex | eh eh |
| 05:41.20 | rjalex | just a joke |
| 05:41.31 | rjalex | I know a lot of linux newbs that like it a lot |
| 05:41.33 | mfrisch | rjalex: you want module-assistant it will build and install a deb for the madwifi mod. |
| 05:41.46 | rjalex | but I am monogamous and married debian many many years ago |
| 05:42.06 | rjalex | thanks mrfrish will lookup module-assistant |
| 05:42.06 | mfrisch | markybob: there europe's own RH |
| 05:42.19 | mfrisch | !module-assistant |
| 05:42.20 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:42.54 | rjalex | I have compiled and installed my own 2.6.20.4 kernel image AND headers |
| 05:43.04 | rjalex | and have all other packages you mention |
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| 05:43.26 | rjalex | only need module-assistant |
| 05:43.32 | rjalex | sounds GREAT " |
| 05:43.54 | rjalex | thank you |
| 05:44.14 | mfrisch | rjalex: run m-a when its installed it will walk you through it |
| 05:44.23 | rjalex | great mrfrish thanks |
| 05:44.45 | rjalex | will go now ... bringing the next generation of hackers at school !!! 8-) |
| 05:45.00 | rjalex | ciao from Roma (ex Caput Mundi) |
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| 05:45.20 | markybob | meaning what? you're a bus driver? |
| 05:45.30 | rjalex | no I am a father of two ! 8-) |
| 05:45.37 | markybob | ah |
| 05:45.39 | mfrisch | ha |
| 05:45.43 | rjalex | lol |
| 05:46.00 | rjalex | I am a 47 years old idiot still playing with linux 8-) |
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| 05:46.37 | markybob | rjalex, my brother's in Lucca. lucky bastard |
| 05:46.55 | rjalex | lucca is very nice marky and the girls there are AWESOME ! 8-) |
| 05:47.14 | rjalex | as your bro will surely have told you 8-) |
| 05:47.28 | rjalex | ok gtg now ciao |
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| 05:49.31 | mathlord | ron-PC:/home/ron/Desktop/apfloat# glxinfo |
| 05:49.31 | mathlord | Segmentation fault |
| 05:49.38 | mathlord | what may be the problem? |
| 05:56.48 | leemur | how would I monitor which processes are using the disk? Something keeps spinning it up every few seconds |
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| 06:00.46 | markybob | lsof ? |
| 06:01.22 | x-Dieu | list open files |
| 06:02.04 | markybob | i know i shouldnt post this...but it's too funny *not* to share :) |
| 06:02.06 | markybob | http://www.dipconsultants.com/hands-on-bikini.jpg |
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| 06:03.38 | Pincopallo | good morning, can you give me the link (http) for the download of debian stable i386 with gnome? is it possible in italian? thanks |
| 06:05.01 | Pincopallo | someone? |
| 06:05.15 | markybob | Pincopallo, http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 06:05.35 | Pincopallo | markybob, thanks a lot, you are very kind |
| 06:05.41 | leemur | markybob: that's a lot of data, I'm more curious as to what processes are constantly accessing the disk |
| 06:06.08 | leemur | is there a good program which will cook this down? |
| 06:06.17 | markybob | leemur, grep the disk you're talking about |
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| 06:06.39 | GhostlyDeath_ | yay! |
| 06:06.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | 1280x800! |
| 06:07.03 | Pincopallo | markybob, sorry is the installer in italian? |
| 06:07.19 | markybob | Pincopallo, it asks you in the beginning which language you want |
| 06:07.46 | Pincopallo | markybob, perfect, thanks a lot, gnome is it right? |
| 06:08.02 | markybob | yes |
| 06:08.02 | GhostlyDeath_ | wow, this looks nice |
| 06:08.07 | GhostlyDeath_ | no blurry stuff |
| 06:08.21 | Pincopallo | markybob, very very kind ;) |
| 06:08.33 | Pincopallo | markybob, have a good day guys, bye bye |
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| 06:18.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | What GNOME Gnome-art/Control Theme looks like Windows NT/95/98/98SE/ME/2k controls? |
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| 06:19.37 | markybob | GhostlyDeath_, feel free to look around http://art.gnome.org/ |
| 06:20.36 | tarzeau | Alumin: yes |
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| 06:21.33 | markybob | GhostlyDeath_, looks like a match to me http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1342 |
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| 06:22.03 | GhostlyDeath_ | THose are windows borders which I have allready |
| 06:22.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm looking for controls (buttons, etc) |
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| 06:26.17 | pythonic | i need to get traditional chinese input/output working for my flatmate... there's quite a few packages, etc. which is the approach favoured by the gods of debian? |
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| 06:28.28 | streuner_ | that doesn't sound like a typical Debian problem :-) |
| 06:29.02 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wow 1280x800 looks nice! no more stupid blurre out 1024x768! Clarity! |
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| 06:29.22 | pythonic | i have 1280x800 too... it's neat, eh? |
| 06:29.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm on a laptop. the blurriness scared me away from linux but now I see unblurred pixels |
| 06:30.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | except there's red on the left and blue to the right of all my text\ |
| 06:30.35 | pythonic | GhostlyDeath_: subpixel antialiasing? |
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| 06:31.29 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: That's subpixel AA, and it's a good thing because it improves the sharpness of the text... with decent fonts the coloring shouldn't be noticeable though |
| 06:31.52 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: You might have hinting turned off |
| 06:31.52 | GhostlyDeath_ | If you look closely and examine it you can see it |
| 06:32.05 | pythonic | try changing the subpixel aa ordering rgb/bgr |
| 06:32.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | It's more noticable on slanted stuff like / \ M and W |
| 06:32.38 | pythonic | GhostlyDeath_: are you using kde? |
| 06:32.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | GNOME |
| 06:32.55 | pythonic | can't help you there, then :-) |
| 06:33.04 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: In GNOME, open Desktop -> Preferences -> Font |
| 06:33.12 | Wyzard | click on the Details button |
| 06:33.24 | Wyzard | and make sure Hinting is set to Full |
| 06:33.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | It is |
| 06:33.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | Res: 96dpi, Smooth: Sub, Hint: Full, Order: RGB |
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| 06:34.03 | pythonic | GhostlyDeath_: can you change rgb to bgr? |
| 06:34.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | I did |
| 06:34.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | WW, now blue is on the left and red is on the right |
| 06:34.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | but it's more noticable |
| 06:34.54 | pythonic | ah, it was right the first time then :-) |
| 06:35.03 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: so turn smoothing to greyscale |
| 06:35.09 | \amethyst | s/turn/set/ # silly dialect |
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| 06:35.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | Having it off makes fonts more sharper and easier to read, so I guess I'll keep it off |
| 06:36.16 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: I just PMed you a link to an image... does your text look similar to that, or is the coloring stronger? |
| 06:36.54 | GhostlyDeath_ | I didn't get the PM |
| 06:37.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | using GNOME XChat and I don't know it that well - not used to it |
| 06:38.37 | Wyzard | FWIW, I prefer regular xchat |
| 06:38.37 | Wyzard | Did you get it this time? |
| 06:38.37 | GhostlyDeath_ | Where should I look? |
| 06:38.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | wait |
| 06:39.00 | GhostlyDeath_ | Are you registered? |
| 06:39.12 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 06:40.40 | GhostlyDeath | ok, try it agian |
| 06:40.42 | GhostlyDeath | see if it works |
| 06:41.22 | Wyzard | You should see my name appear in the list of "channels" in the left sidebar |
| 06:41.40 | GhostlyDeath | nothing appeared yet |
| 06:41.50 | GhostlyDeath | I'll check the prefs |
| 06:41.52 | Wyzard | (grr at any IRC client that makes it a non-trivial matter to receive a PM...) |
| 06:42.35 | GhostlyDeath | prefs are ok |
| 06:42.53 | GhostlyDeath | I queryed myself and i worked |
| 06:43.02 | Wyzard | yet you can't see one from me? |
| 06:43.08 | GhostlyDeath | /query GhostlyDeath hello? |
| 06:43.31 | hark | just join a #something |
| 06:43.32 | GhostlyDeath | no wonder |
| 06:43.38 | GhostlyDeath | It says your not Identified |
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| 06:44.01 | GhostlyDeath | freenode added "You can't send messages to id'ed users if your not id'ed" |
| 06:44.04 | GhostlyDeath | to prevent spam |
| 06:44.08 | hark | hah |
| 06:44.09 | Wyzard | oh, interesting |
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| 06:44.38 | Wyzard | Apparently when I switched over to my new computer back in January, I forgot to carry over the xchat config to automatically authenticate myself to nickserv |
| 06:44.46 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 06:45.29 | GhostlyDeath | ok i got your pm |
| 06:46.08 | GhostlyDeath | yeah, it looked like that before I turned smoothing off |
| 06:46.13 | Wyzard | That's a screenshot of a line of text from my system... the subpixel coloring is there, but it's subtle |
| 06:46.29 | Wyzard | It's much more dramatic if you have hinting disabled, or if you're using a poorly-made font that lacks hinting data |
| 06:46.44 | GhostlyDeath | I have a knack of noticing some things |
| 06:46.49 | praecox | anyone got an experience here with PHP4 and FastCGI? |
| 06:46.50 | Wyzard | If your text looks like my screenshot, I'm surprised it bothers you |
| 06:46.56 | Wyzard | It's pretty subtle |
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| 06:47.06 | GhostlyDeath | I made it sharp, nice this way |
| 06:47.07 | pythonic | praecox: try #php or ##php or whatever |
| 06:47.22 | Wyzard | Well, it's actually less sharp with subpixel disabled |
| 06:47.29 | GhostlyDeath | yeah i know |
| 06:47.35 | Wyzard | assuming you're using an LCD monitor, that is -- subpixel shouldn't be used on CRTs |
| 06:47.36 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 06:47.39 | praecox | pythonic, I would if they weren't overloaded. |
| 06:47.42 | GhostlyDeath | I am on a laptop |
| 06:47.55 | Wyzard | ok, so LCD |
| 06:47.57 | pythonic | praecox: overloaded? with noobs? |
| 06:48.01 | Wyzard | Do you know how subpixel rendering works? |
| 06:48.12 | GhostlyDeath | in a LCD there are 3 pixels in 1 pixel |
| 06:48.15 | GhostlyDeath | R G b. whatever |
| 06:48.15 | praecox | pythonic, probably. ;) |
| 06:48.19 | Wyzard | right |
| 06:48.32 | pythonic | a holy trinity |
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| 06:48.45 | coldfish | is there any packet program for simulating my researches like MATLAB ? |
| 06:48.49 | GhostlyDeath | it puts red green and blue all over the font a certain way to make it appear smooth |
| 06:49.06 | GhostlyDeath | due to the way LCDs are |
| 06:49.13 | pythonic | praecox: then try #ruby-lang :-) |
| 06:49.16 | Wyzard | By coloring the pixel slightly, the anti-aliaser can cause it to be lit more brightly on either the left or right side, as needed |
| 06:49.18 | GhostlyDeath | they say it's a flaw |
| 06:49.33 | Wyzard | which effectively increases your horizontal resolution slightly |
| 06:49.48 | GhostlyDeath | I turned LCD smoothing for a CRT and saw red lines and blue lines everywhere |
| 06:49.51 | GhostlyDeath | on fonts |
| 06:50.17 | Wyzard | On a CRT it's useless since there's no 1:1 mapping between physical color phosphors and logical pixels like there is on an LCD |
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| 06:50.56 | taurokpo | hello |
| 06:51.01 | Wyzard | subpixel is really only useful on an LCD running at its native resolution, but it's preferable in that case |
| 06:51.07 | pythonic | Wyzard: there isn't? how does a crt work then? coloured electrons? |
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| 06:51.11 | GhostlyDeath | It found a Photo Card |
| 06:51.36 | GhostlyDeath | C3180* |
| 06:51.39 | taurokpo | could you please give me a hand with a joystick problem? |
| 06:51.44 | GhostlyDeath | well, at least I now know I can use SD cards! |
| 06:51.46 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: btw, you mentioned your laptop has a 1280x800 screen... do you use a framebuffer console? |
| 06:51.48 | markybob | fuck. forgot my heart medicine. |
| 06:51.54 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: Don't know |
| 06:52.07 | pythonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.12 | spikeb | heh pythonic |
| 06:52.19 | baloo-work | Blah |
| 06:52.30 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Does your /boot/grub/menu.lst file have "video=vesafb" on the kernel's options line? |
| 06:52.55 | GhostlyDeath | I don't use VESA |
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| 06:53.19 | Wyzard | pythonic: The shadow mask (or aperture grille, in the case of a Trinitron monitor) restricts what each of the three color guns can "see", so that the red gun can only "see" the red phosphors, and likewise for the green and blue |
| 06:53.28 | GhostlyDeath | it does not |
| 06:53.38 | Wyzard | pythonic: The color guns trace out the pixels, and they light whatever phosphors happen to be in those areas |
| 06:53.49 | larsl | Is there a better way to remove old logs than to delete the files manually? I have 1 GB of old logs on my system partition, and I need the space. |
| 06:54.01 | streuner | pythos: more fun and less trouble helps ;-) |
| 06:54.07 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I'm not talking about the vesa driver for X; I mean for the console, so you can get text modes bigger than 80x25 |
| 06:54.10 | spikeb | i'm positive there are at least four log removing tools in the repos |
| 06:54.16 | spikeb | i dont know what any of them are though |
| 06:54.24 | Acu | I have an irock!150vm digital voice recorder/mp3 player and it came only with a windows app which I could not installed in linux using wine - I hoped that the usb player will be mounted as an usb external drive but is does not do that - I installed USB viewer and I can see it as USB2FLASH Manufacturarer TOODIS and Device class: 00 is any chance that I can mount it (even if I need to format the player memory) ? |
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| 06:54.36 | pythonic | Wyzard: i see... so not coloured electrons then? :-) |
| 06:54.49 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: On my Thinkpad, I found that using vesafb with "vga=874" gives me a full 1280x800 console, which is nice |
| 06:54.54 | larsl | No no, only quarks are coloured. |
| 06:54.59 | streuner | pythonic: more fun and less trouble helps ;-) |
| 06:55.12 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: yeah I use the default 80x25, but when I installed debian it was strangly 80x47/50 |
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| 06:55.13 | pythonic | more sex and less hex? |
| 06:55.14 | spikeb | i should turn on a fb |
| 06:55.17 | spikeb | as well as some other stuff |
| 06:55.21 | streuner | that too |
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| 06:55.32 | GhostlyDeath | more sexadecimal and less hexadecimal |
| 06:56.01 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: These days Debian uses vesafb by default, btw |
| 06:56.34 | GhostlyDeath | YjThere is a bug in Printers |
| 06:56.42 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Try putting "video=vesafb:mtrr vga=874" on your kernel options line, and see if your console looks a bit nicer next time you reboot |
| 06:57.04 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Even better, "video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr" unless the ywrap option doesn't work on your video card |
| 06:57.12 | Acu | hello - no hint how to mount a usb2flash which is not seen as drive ? |
| 06:57.27 | Knight_Lord | hirst:~# netcat -n 127.0.0.1 -l -p 389 |
| 06:57.27 | GhostlyDeath | I got an INtel Integ. Grap. Media Accel. |
| 06:57.30 | Knight_Lord | Can't grab 0.0.0.0:389 with bind |
| 06:57.34 | Wyzard | and vga=875 should give you 32bpp rather than 16bpp color, but on my Thinkpad it resulted in a corrupted display |
| 06:57.35 | Knight_Lord | What does this mean? |
| 06:57.40 | Wyzard | same here, i915 |
| 06:58.25 | pythonic | baloo-work: share teh funnies! |
| 06:58.38 | GhostlyDeath | so add "video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr" after everything in the "kernel" line? |
| 06:58.47 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 06:58.52 | spikeb | what does mtrr do? |
| 06:58.54 | Wyzard | as well as "vga=874" to choose the video mode |
| 06:58.56 | GhostlyDeath | so "kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-amd64 root=/dev/sda4 ro video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr" |
| 06:59.28 | baloo-work | pythonic: An American man in North Carolina, United States has been charged with 77 counts of animal cruelty after he was discovered keeping 77 sheep in his home. |
| 06:59.33 | baloo-work | http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/man-charged-for-keeping-77-sheep-in-home/2007/03/29/1174761632387.html |
| 06:59.43 | hark | :mtrr,ywrap rather |
| 07:00.06 | Wyzard | spikeb: causes the vesafb driver to use the video card's Memory Type Range Registers, which I don't know the details of but I've read that it's a performance benefit |
| 07:00.09 | Wyzard | hark: Either way works |
| 07:00.13 | spikeb | Wyzard: cool |
| 07:00.16 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 07:00.17 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 07:00.22 | GhostlyDeath | I restart then I go to sleep |
| 07:00.24 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
| 07:00.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Don't forget the vga=874, or you won't be getting 1280x800 |
| 07:00.32 | spikeb | sleep? bah!Q |
| 07:01.55 | baloo-work | pythonic: Is it just me, or is that a face only a sheep could love? |
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| 07:04.29 | GhostlyDeath | failed |
| 07:04.41 | GhostlyDeath | eh, I don't need 47/50 lines anyway |
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| 07:05.03 | GhostlyDeath | It said "Invalid Mode <ENTER>, Press <SPACE> to continue" or something |
| 07:05.51 | Wyzard | oh well |
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| 07:06.17 | Wyzard | The mode numbers can differ from card to card; I found that 874 is 1280x800 on my card, but apparently not on yours |
| 07:06.52 | Wyzard | 791 should be 1024x768 though -- that one's pretty consistent between cards, and it's better than nothing |
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| 07:07.01 | GhostlyDeath | As long as I get 1280x800x32 @ 60Hz in GNOME I'm happy |
| 07:07.15 | Wyzard | yeah, that's all that's really needed |
| 07:07.24 | Wyzard | I just find it nice to have a full-resolution console too |
| 07:08.35 | GhostlyDeath | I got a dinky hard drive |
| 07:08.40 | GhostlyDeath | It's small! |
| 07:09.01 | GhostlyDeath | 160Gb Laptop HD beats my 15GB 3.5" one |
| 07:09.24 | GhostlyDeath | There any firewalls for debian? |
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| 07:09.50 | fengor | iptables for packet filtering |
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| 07:09.58 | GhostlyDeath | it have a GUI? |
| 07:10.03 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: Sort of. iptables, but not necessary if you're not installing things you're not using or don't need. |
| 07:10.14 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I'd suggest FireHOL |
| 07:10.20 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: If you're looking for something like ZoneAlarm, you need to learn something about networks. Namely, personal firewalls are snake oil. |
| 07:10.27 | fengor | afaik there are guis for implenting the iptable rules but i usually do it by hand on the commandline |
| 07:10.38 | baloo-work | http://samspade.org/d/firewalls.html |
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| 07:11.22 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: iptables is the component in the kernel that actually does the firewalling, but writing iptables rules manually can be tedious and error-prone, so there are a bunch of "firewall programs" which generate iptables rules from a policy that you specify |
| 07:11.37 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Some have GUIs but I haven't used any of those |
| 07:11.56 | fengor | nice link baloo-work *bookmarks it* |
| 07:12.00 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: It's probably not necessary to sweat packet filtering if you only have one system. If it's a home network (or a single system you're paranoid about), get yourself a router from this list and install DDWRT on it. |
| 07:12.00 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: FireHOL is configured by a single text file that has a very clean and readable syntax, so I like it |
| 07:12.03 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices |
| 07:12.26 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 07:12.54 | baloo-work | fengor: Thanks. |
| 07:13.01 | Wyzard | Well, if you're behind a NAT router you're protected from unwanted incoming connections regardless of what firmware is on the router |
| 07:13.23 | Wyzard | (unless you've configured a DMZ or forwarded ports on the router, naturally) |
| 07:13.43 | Wyzard | but IMO it's not a bad idea to use a firewall on a personal computer too |
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| 07:13.54 | baloo-work | Wyzard: 1) No, you're not, source routed packets are still possible without some kind of packet filtering. 2) VxWorks (the software that ships on Linksys and others by default) doesn't do packet filtering unless you turn it on... |
| 07:13.57 | Wyzard | especially on a laptop that travels around, and may occasionally be connected to non-trusted networks |
| 07:14.13 | baloo-work | Wyzard: And 3) If you turn on the packet filtering, VxWorks crashes after a few hundred packets or so. |
| 07:14.51 | Wyzard | baloo-work: I'm not talking about packet filtering, I'm talking about the NAT itself -- it's impossible for someone "outside" to connect directly to a computer "inside" when the computer "inside" has no external IP address |
| 07:14.55 | baloo-work | You can't really call it a firewall unless you're dedicating hardware to the task. Installing a personal firewall is just pretending you're protected. |
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| 07:14.59 | GhostlyDeath | My router is directly connected to the internet |
| 07:15.05 | baloo-work | Wyzard: Yes, it is. Source routed packets. |
| 07:15.06 | GhostlyDeath | other PCs go through the router |
| 07:15.12 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: You're covered. |
| 07:15.26 | GhostlyDeath | damn my Router is slow.... it used to load pages in 1 second now it take 5 |
| 07:15.29 | Wyzard | Do routers these days actually honor source-routed packets? |
| 07:15.31 | GhostlyDeath | well 1 minute |
| 07:15.38 | baloo-work | Wyzard: VxWorks ones do. |
| 07:15.41 | baloo-work | DDWRT ones don't. |
| 07:15.54 | Wyzard | OK, so don't use a VxWorks-based router |
| 07:16.01 | GhostlyDeath | I have a Linksys WRT54G |
| 07:16.04 | baloo-work | Well, buy one, then flash DDWRT on it. |
| 07:16.08 | Wyzard | My understanding is that *most* routers ignore source-routing, because of the security risks |
| 07:16.09 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: Have you installed DDWRT on it yet? |
| 07:16.25 | baloo-work | Wyzard: Most routers by make, yes. Most routers by what's deployed, no. |
| 07:16.36 | GhostlyDeath | I just upgraded the firmware |
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| 07:16.49 | Wyzard | baloo-work: and using iptables to restrict incoming connections locally is not "pretending you're protected" |
| 07:16.52 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: Default VxWorks firmware or DDWRT firmware |
| 07:17.04 | GhostlyDeath | Linksys's firmware |
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| 07:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | V1.02.0 |
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| 07:17.21 | GhostlyDeath | iT'S A LinkSys WRT54G v6 |
| 07:17.21 | baloo-work | Wyzard: It's still self defeated. The idea of a firewall is to keep packets off the machines you're protecting in the first place. |
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| 07:17.33 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: OK, don't use Linksys's firmware. Use DDWRT's. |
| 07:17.43 | GhostlyDeath | Blocks Anon, Int Requests, FIlters Multicast, Internet NAT redir and IDENT |
| 07:17.47 | baloo-work | GhostlyDeath: VxWorks is unstable crap at best. |
| 07:18.04 | Wyzard | baloo-work: The idea of my PCs' "personal firewalls" are to prevent people from connecting to services I don't want them to |
| 07:18.19 | GhostlyDeath | VPn is disabled |
| 07:18.46 | Wyzard | baloo's DDWRT router must have failed on him :-P |
| 07:19.08 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: The earlier revisions of the WRT54G ran Linux internally, but the v5 and v6 run VxWorks |
| 07:19.22 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: DDWRT is an alternative Linux-based firmware that you can install |
| 07:19.31 | Wyzard | (and no, it's not actually crash-prone) |
| 07:19.34 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I'm the kind of guy who will do something after something bad happens |
| 07:19.41 | GhostlyDeath | ;) |
| 07:19.55 | GhostlyDeath | WEll, I had enough... I need to sleep now |
| 07:19.55 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
| 07:20.11 | GhostlyDeath | too bad this PC can't sleep... but it can hibernate... |
| 07:20.37 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If VxWorks really does honor source routing then it seems prudent to not use a VxWorks-based router, but unless you're concerned about targeted attacks against your network specifically, it's not likely to be a problem |
| 07:21.00 | GhostlyDeath | All I got are 2 pcs on this network |
| 07:21.36 | GhostlyDeath | Internet - > WRT :Node1: Wireless - > This PC :Node2: HUB - > Other PC |
| 07:21.56 | GhostlyDeath | anyway |
| 07:21.57 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
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| 07:22.12 | perlmonkey | greetings |
| 07:22.40 | perlmonkey | is it possible to change the size of an active (boot) partition? |
| 07:23.16 | Wyzard | possible, yes |
| 07:23.18 | Wyzard | Easy, no |
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| 07:23.37 | perlmonkey | I have a disk which contains several partitions, one of which was part of a raid..I would like to make the whole disk into one partition |
| 07:23.41 | perlmonkey | ah ok |
| 07:23.50 | baloo-work | Wyzard: You have the right idea but you're going about the solution in an acutely retarded fashion. You shouldn't be installing or running untrusted software in the first place. |
| 07:24.02 | perlmonkey | perhaps I do better to leave it be then and just make use of the partitions for /var /usr |
| 07:24.09 | baloo-work | Or implementing the firewall on a whole-network basis. |
| 07:24.52 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: You can extend a partition by deleting it and recreating it with the same starting position but a larger size, assuming there's no other partition occupying the space after it, and then use a filesystem resizer |
| 07:25.07 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: You can't merge partitions, though; you'd have to back up, repartition, and restore from backup |
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| 07:25.29 | Wyzard | baloo-work: I do have a whole-network firewall, in the form of a NAT router |
| 07:25.56 | Wyzard | baloo-work: formerly a WRT54GL running OpenWRT, but now a Debian box, and the WRT54GL is just a pure bridging wireless access point |
| 07:26.26 | Wyzard | baloo-work: but my laptop sometimes travels to other networks |
| 07:26.28 | baloo-work | So why even bother with host-based packet filtering unless you have a serious change management problem? |
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| 07:27.13 | litage | i have to backup /var/lib/mysql/ to a different partition on the same physical disk. the directory is about 12gb. would it be faster to tar it, or tar and gzip it? there'll be less data to write to the disk if it's gzipped, but zipping will take time. |
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| 07:27.47 | Wyzard | and even on my own network, it seems like a prudent application of defense-in-depth -- why rely 100% on my border firewall when it's so easy to configure on each individual computer which services it's allowed to expose? |
| 07:28.13 | tarzeau | Wyzard: why even a firewall if you can just turn off the stuff you don't need? |
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| 07:28.47 | Knight_Lord | How can I convert a pdf or ps from US Letter to A4? |
| 07:28.49 | baloo-work | Why bother with host based packet filtering unless you let anybody change the system configuration willy nilly? |
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| 07:29.03 | baloo-work | Knight_Lord: You don't. The page size is defined by the document. |
| 07:29.15 | Wyzard | baloo-work: I just told you why |
| 07:29.22 | Knight_Lord | baloo-work But if I want to print as A4? |
| 07:29.26 | crazy_penguin | Hello |
| 07:29.37 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I do, in fact, remove (or rather, not install in the first place) servers that I don't need |
| 07:29.57 | baloo-work | Knight_Lord: Tough cookies. That's how PDF works: It's designed so the publisher knows exactly what form it will take on the printed page. |
| 07:30.03 | Wyzard | tarzeau: so the per-machine firewalls are generally not "necessary" in the sense that the machines would be safe enough without them |
| 07:30.26 | Wyzard | tarzeau: but they're easy to set up -- nearly trivial since FireHOL's configuration is so straightforward |
| 07:30.32 | Knight_Lord | baloo-work I have doubts |
| 07:30.34 | fericitu_ | where i can paste a txt ??? |
| 07:30.44 | baloo-work | fericitu_: pastebin |
| 07:30.50 | Wyzard | tarzeau: so I do it anyway, because it's a potential extra line of defense and I see no good reason *not* to |
| 07:31.08 | fericitu_ | pastebin ?? |
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| 07:31.27 | baloo-work | fericitu_: stfw, you'll find it. |
| 07:31.34 | baloo-work | knight_lord: Howso? |
| 07:31.56 | Knight_Lord | baloo-work just take a look at pstops |
| 07:32.33 | baloo-work | Knight_Lord: ps != pdf |
| 07:33.01 | Knight_Lord | baloo-work i asked ps or pdf |
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| 07:33.19 | Knight_Lord | baloo-work I can pdf2ps easily |
| 07:33.29 | belracu | using acpid how do i pop out nautilus for usb-pen driver events |
| 07:33.55 | perlmonkey | Wyzard: i will lose all my data if I delete it |
| 07:34.14 | baloo-work | PS I do believe can be resized, though I don't use postscript. PS doesn't include fonts, encapsulated PS is a nightmare to work with. PDF is basically Encapsulated PS done right. |
| 07:34.22 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: so you copy it somewhere else first |
| 07:34.52 | perlmonkey | but its my boot/system partition eh, kinda tricky |
| 07:35.03 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: If you delete and recreate a partition you don't lose any data if the new partition has the same starting position as the old one, and is at least as large as the old one was |
| 07:35.11 | perlmonkey | oh thats clever |
| 07:35.26 | perlmonkey | thanks :) |
| 07:35.32 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: so you can "extend" a partition that way |
| 07:35.39 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 07:35.53 | Wyzard | (and then you'll need to run a filesystem resizer, to extend the filesystem to fill the new size of the partition, in order to actually use the additional space) |
| 07:36.14 | Wyzard | but you can only do that if you have unpartitioned space immediately after the partition you want to extend |
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| 07:36.28 | Wyzard | If there's another partition there, containing data that you want to keep, you'll need to backup that data and delete that partition |
| 07:36.43 | larsl | Does anyone know any log clearing tools? |
| 07:37.08 | SubStack | rm |
| 07:37.09 | fericitu_ | who can help me with this : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5875 |
| 07:37.14 | fericitu_ | please |
| 07:37.16 | fengor | sigh, i love our highly skilled dns admins at work :( |
| 07:37.22 | fengor | not |
| 07:37.23 | Wyzard | LVM avoids that limitation, and I usually use LVM on new installs, but retroactively setting up LVM-root on an existing install would be more work than just repartitioning |
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| 07:37.40 | spikeb | lvm rocks, but why does etch install lilo instead of grub if you set up LVM? |
| 07:37.48 | Wyzard | It doesn't |
| 07:37.53 | Wyzard | not anytime I've installed it, at least |
| 07:38.03 | Wyzard | oh, wait... was your /boot on the LVM? |
| 07:38.14 | hansgnu | anyone knows if debian has the beryl project in apt packages |
| 07:38.14 | hark | you need a separate /boot |
| 07:38.21 | baloo-work | fengor: Need a DNS admin? |
| 07:38.28 | spikeb | ahhh ok |
| 07:38.32 | Wyzard | Make a separate partition (50MB is more than enough) for /boot |
| 07:38.50 | spikeb | Wyzard: ok cool. thanks. same to you hark |
| 07:38.55 | Wyzard | hansgnu: Compiz is packaged, but Beryl is not |
| 07:39.00 | fengor | baloo-work: actually no im fed up with those i have enough already ;p |
| 07:39.16 | Wyzard | hansgnu: btw, I've heard that Compiz and Beryl are looking into re-joining into a single project |
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| 07:39.18 | baloo-work | fengor: Heh, yeah, I was offering to replace 'em. |
| 07:39.19 | hark | hansgnu: nothing official yet |
| 07:39.44 | fengor | hehe well i'm not in a position to hire baloo, i'm just a lowly developer |
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| 07:40.32 | hansgnu | Wyzard: thanks... I was searching a little, but i could see yet something about this |
| 07:40.51 | fengor | but just out of the curiosity: is there anything unclear about the following request: I need the address sdc.domain.com to resolve to the ipadress aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd |
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| 07:41.36 | spikeb | Wyzard: they should. one should be the unstable branch and the other the stable branch |
| 07:42.05 | fericitu_ | who can help me with this : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5875 |
| 07:42.06 | fericitu_ | please |
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| 07:44.10 | streuner | !tell fericitu_ about dhcp client |
| 07:44.30 | baloo-work | fengor: Depends on if you can edit zones either directly or via DDNS for the zone you need to update. |
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| 07:45.25 | ccamacho | I having some troubles with apt, apt-get --purge remove linux-modules-2.6.18-4-xen-686, but Package linux-modules-2.6.18-4-xen-686 is not installed, so not removed |
| 07:45.53 | tarzeau | ccamacho: you try to remove something which isn't there? |
| 07:46.00 | Wyzard | ccamacho: If you don't want that package to be installed, and it's not installed, what's the problem? |
| 07:46.05 | ccamacho | but later The following packages have unmet dependencies. linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686: Depends: linux-modules-2.6.18-4-xen-686 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) but it is not going to be installed... but I don't want the package at all |
| 07:46.29 | Wyzard | then remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
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| 07:46.59 | Wyzard | linux-modules-2.6.18-4-xen-686 is probably a virtual package that's "provided" by some other package |
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| 07:48.40 | fengor | baloo-work: well i dont know how the dns people have set it up and normally i dont care as long as it works. but i get serious doubts if i get a reply that says www.sdc.domain.com isnt a computer... |
| 07:48.54 | ccamacho | Wyzard: you right... it's a virtual package |
| 07:49.49 | ccamacho | Wyzard: linux-image-2.6-xen-686 is the package... solved, thanks a lot |
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| 07:50.13 | Wyzard | ccamacho: "apt-cache search xen-linux-system" might interest you, btw |
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| 07:50.40 | spikeb | <3 etch |
| 07:50.41 | ccamacho | ok... I am gonna read it |
| 07:51.03 | Wyzard | ccamacho: Those are metapackages which pull in all the essential Xen stuff as dependencies |
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| 07:52.15 | ccamacho | Wyzard: ok, i see |
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| 07:53.19 | fengor | fericitu_: you wanted to add eth1 to dhcpd in your interfaces config? did you try: |
| 07:53.22 | fengor | auto eth1 |
| 07:53.37 | fengor | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 07:53.38 | fengor | ? |
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| 07:55.07 | Wyzard | The whole point of DHCP is that you don't have to configure the IP address on the client machine |
| 07:55.29 | Kevin` | you normally configure static ip allocations for dhcp on the dhcp server |
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| 07:55.34 | fericitu_ | it's anyy problem if i setup DHCP, DNS, SSH, mySQL, APCHE, POSTFIX at one machine ? |
| 07:55.48 | Kevin` | fericitu_ no technical problem |
| 07:55.50 | Knight_Lord | fericitu_ no |
| 07:55.51 | jake | I have a debian laptop sitting next to me with a recent version of sarge installed. There is no network connection, but I can transfer large files to it via usb. I need to upgrade the kernel to the latest 2.4. It currently has kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 installed. I'm about to upgrade to kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686, which kernel-source corresponds with kernel-image-3? |
| 07:55.51 | borizz | fericitu_: you can do that... but some people might not think it is wise |
| 07:56.04 | Wyzard | fericitu_: Aside from being a single-point-of-failure -- you lose all those services if the box crashes -- it'd work fine |
| 07:56.21 | fericitu_ | ups |
| 07:56.24 | Kevin` | actually, I do personally have dns, dhcp, nat, mysql, apache, exim, on one machine |
| 07:56.25 | borizz | fericitu_: if you just use it as a home server to tinker with, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:56.26 | jake | I would normall just use apt to figure this out for me, but I can't as I don't have a net connection and the usb key isn't large enough to put a whole CD on |
| 07:56.32 | Wyzard | fericitu_: btw, you don't need to specify the "network" and "broadcast" lines in your interfaces file... those can be figured out automatically from the address and the netmask |
| 07:56.48 | borizz | fericitu_: UPS doesn't prevent the disk drive from smashing its head in the platter and eating your data, for example. |
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| 07:57.20 | litage | how can you determine the amount of unused space in an LVM VG? |
| 07:57.34 | Wyzard | litage: vgdisplay tells you |
| 07:57.38 | litage | thanks |
| 07:57.39 | fericitu_ | it's any solution like Ghost for debian ? |
| 07:57.49 | tarzeau | fericitu_: dd? www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy |
| 07:57.50 | borizz | yeah, plenty |
| 07:58.03 | Kevin` | fericitu_ partimage, gparted, etc |
| 07:58.41 | borizz | fericitu_: you can use DD, G4L, Bacula |
| 07:58.47 | jake | Another way of putting this question; kernel-source-2.4.27_2.4.27-10sarge5 corresponds to which kernel image? |
| 07:59.07 | Kevin` | I do not recommend using dd for disk images. it of course works, but it's inneficient |
| 07:59.10 | Wyzard | jake: Any 2.4.27 kernel-image, presumably |
| 07:59.31 | fericitu_ | it's necesary to have KDE or GNome for use this tools |
| 07:59.32 | yang | If the cron is running , why doesnt crontab -e user edits crontab ? crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option |
| 07:59.33 | fericitu_ | ? |
| 07:59.41 | jake | Wyzard, not as far as I can tell. I'm running 2.4.27-2, I installed the -10sarge5 source and tried to build against it and I got unresolved symbols |
| 07:59.42 | borizz | fericitu_: no, they are command line |
| 07:59.54 | Kevin` | fericitu_ for gparted, you need the gnome libs, yes. you don't need all of gnome though |
| 07:59.55 | borizz | look up G4L (its Ghost 4 Linux). |
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| 08:00.08 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 08:00.11 | fericitu_ | super thx |
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| 08:00.21 | Wyzard | jake: Unresolved symbols when building, or when loading the module? |
| 08:00.27 | Kevin` | i've never heard of "ghost 4 linux", so I can't speak to it's quality |
| 08:00.28 | jake | when loading |
| 08:00.47 | Kevin` | play with it if it looks interesting :) |
| 08:00.56 | cydork | yang: you are just typing "crontab -e"? |
| 08:00.59 | Wyzard | jake: Is there a kernel-headers package corresponding to your kernel-image? |
| 08:01.18 | yang | cydork: crontab -e username (as root) |
| 08:01.23 | Wyzard | jake: There might not be since 2.4's way of building modules is different from 2.6's, but it's worth checking |
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| 08:01.31 | cydork | yang: crontab -u root -e |
| 08:01.46 | cydork | bahh s/root/user/ :P |
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| 08:02.03 | jake | Sort of. The kernel headers are is 2.5.999-test7-bk-1, which is why I installed the kernel source, so I wouldn't build against the 2.5 headers |
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| 08:02.49 | Wyzard | jake: I don't mean the linux-kernel-headers package, I mean a kernel-headers-<version> corresponding to your kernel-image-<version> |
| 08:03.02 | yang | cydork: thanks |
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| 08:04.24 | jake | There seems to be a generic one for 2.4, kernel-headers-2.4-i686. If you're not refering to that, I'm not sure what you're asking. |
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| 08:04.29 | Wyzard | jake: With the 2.6 kernels, you need the *configured* headers from the tree that the running kernel was built from, and the kernel-headers packages provide those... 2.4 isn't as strict with its header needs, and I don't remember the details of the 2.4 packaging, but if you have a kernel-headers-<version> package available, you should use that |
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| 08:04.55 | jake | Well, unfortunately the madwifi drivers require the actual kernel build system |
| 08:05.04 | jake | so even if I installed those headers, it wouldn't complete the requirements |
| 08:05.05 | Wyzard | jake: for example: I'm running linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64, and to build third-party modules I'd use linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 08:05.26 | Wyzard | jake: The point of a kernel-headers package is that it's exactly matched to the corresponding kernel-image |
| 08:05.39 | Wyzard | I just don't remember whether they existed for 2.4 |
| 08:06.07 | jake | Well, I'm looking here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/ and can only see generic 2.4 kernel headers |
| 08:06.42 | Wyzard | OK, maybe they weren't provided then |
| 08:07.00 | Wyzard | IIRC, 2.4 modules didn't necessarily need configured headers from the kernel's own build tree |
| 08:07.12 | Wyzard | but why not just upgrade to 2.6? |
| 08:07.14 | Wyzard | sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 08:07.18 | jake | I have no net connection |
| 08:07.30 | Wyzard | ...says the IRC user :-P |
| 08:07.32 | jake | If you can tell me which .debs to put onto a usb flash drive to do the upgrade, I'll do it :) |
| 08:07.37 | jake | haha, different machine :) |
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| 08:08.23 | BlueParrot | Wyzard: that is quite easily achievable tbh. You can get on irc with a mobile phone, doesn't make it great for upgrading your system tho ; ) |
| 08:08.24 | shogunx | oh, come now jake. just put another network card in the debian box and do nat with it. |
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| 08:08.46 | jake | It's a laptop, and I'm trying not to buy additional hardware :/ |
| 08:08.48 | Wyzard | Pick the apropriate kernel-image-2.6.8 package for your system (-686 or whatever, SMP or not, etc.) |
| 08:09.17 | Wyzard | Grab that, its corresponding kernel-headers, plus module-init-tools and any other deps of the kernel-image .deb |
| 08:09.20 | shogunx | jake pcmcia network cards can be had cheap |
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| 08:09.50 | baloo-work | In another words, anything inside a a bracket set like this ([ ]) should be deleted. |
| 08:10.00 | jake | If you can point me to one that works in Linux and my local bestbuy sells, I'll do it :) I'm leaving the country for 6 weeks on Friday and I have to get this done somewhat quickly. |
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| 08:10.13 | Wyzard | Most wired network cards should work fine |
| 08:10.18 | Wyzard | It's just the wireless ones that are tricky |
| 08:10.19 | jake | pcmcia? |
| 08:10.35 | jake | I have never had a whole lot of luck with newer pcmcia cards in Linux |
| 08:10.43 | Wyzard | Most "PCMCIA" cards these days are really CardBus, which is basically just a different form factor of PCI |
| 08:10.55 | BlueParrot | so... my university seems to have broken their firefox install on the windoze terminals .. gogo gadget USB browser : ) |
| 08:11.05 | spikeb | ralink cards = where it's at |
| 08:11.05 | Wyzard | yeah, 16-bit PCMCIA is tough just like ISA cards were tough, but CardBus cards show up in lspci and are pretty straightforward |
| 08:11.24 | jake | Yeah, it sucks when I run lspci I can see this wireless card |
| 08:11.25 | Wyzard | Several years ago I bought a 3Com 10/100 CardBus card for $15 USD on eBay |
| 08:11.28 | jake | it even blinks mockingly at me |
| 08:11.35 | spikeb | heh jake |
| 08:11.39 | jake | But without the madwifi stuff installed, I get no love |
| 08:11.49 | Guerin | jake: you lose. |
| 08:12.05 | Guerin | sadwifi :( |
| 08:12.08 | Wyzard | and that was $15 including shipping |
| 08:12.08 | spikeb | madwifi is in non-free if you want it that badly heh |
| 08:12.42 | jake | except it's the source that's provided |
| 08:12.53 | Wyzard | A wired CardBus card is a good thing to have around anyway as a contingency... I'd say go buy one; they're cheap |
| 08:12.58 | jake | All the .deb does is install the source and then build it |
| 08:13.07 | BlueParrot | I predict the first company to make fully open source compatible laptops gets a lot of revenue love ... |
| 08:13.35 | Guerin | BlueParrot: IBM was practically already there\ |
| 08:13.36 | Wyzard | BlueParrot: My ThinkPad Z60m works pretty much fully |
| 08:13.37 | BlueParrot | probably redhat with the one oper child thing ... |
| 08:13.44 | spikeb | thinkpads are the closest probably |
| 08:13.48 | BlueParrot | mmmm |
| 08:13.49 | Wyzard | I think the only hardware I haven't tried is the modem |
| 08:13.50 | Guerin | once they dropped the winmodems |
| 08:13.54 | spikeb | and OLPC isn't fully OSS supported |
| 08:13.54 | shogunx | spikeb there is a totally free madwifi branch under development |
| 08:14.05 | spikeb | shogunx: coo |
| 08:14.07 | spikeb | cool, even. |
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| 08:14.18 | Guerin | yeh, the only thing I don't have in free software on my t42 is ... um ... yep, it all works. |
| 08:14.20 | Wyzard | but the wireless, 3D, SD card reader, and even the motion sensor are all supported |
| 08:14.24 | BlueParrot | So getting a thinkpad next time I upgrade |
| 08:14.36 | Guerin | spikeb: what about OLPC isn't OSS? |
| 08:14.41 | BlueParrot | Intel even settled the chipset for me after they freed their graphics drivers |
| 08:14.56 | shogunx | BlueParrot my msi s-271's do pretty well. |
| 08:15.13 | spikeb | Guerin: http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/11/olpc-under-fire-for-proprietary-components/ |
| 08:15.25 | Wyzard | Guerin: They're using a wireless chip whose only drivers are non-free, because it's the only chip that was cheap and low-power enough enough and had mesh-networking capabilities |
| 08:15.35 | spikeb | Guerin: wireless heh |
| 08:15.36 | Guerin | bah, twats |
| 08:15.51 | shogunx | Guerin the Marvell wifi chipset has issues... its a system on chip that has a proprietary os image as firmware |
| 08:15.51 | Guerin | that could sink the whole project, in terms of community support |
| 08:15.54 | spikeb | blue: yeah i love intel's chipsets nowadays |
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| 08:16.23 | spikeb | man the cpu fan in this box sucks |
| 08:16.28 | shogunx | Guerin do the ralink chips do master mode? |
| 08:16.33 | jake | Unfortunately, afaict, there are no installers that come with madwifi drivers. So if your only network connection requires that driver, your SOL without spending cash |
| 08:16.53 | baloo-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.55 | Guerin | shogunx: not in linux; but in BSD they do; and in linux you can apparently haxx0r them to do it |
| 08:17.02 | shogunx | jake... you COULD build yourself a kernel, then build madwifi from that. |
| 08:17.20 | Guerin | shogunx: the linux driver is 10x the size of the BSD driver (in LOC) and can't do half the shit |
| 08:17.21 | BlueParrot | shogunx: he woudl still need the source ... |
| 08:17.23 | jake | shogunx, yeah that's what I started to do |
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| 08:17.24 | spikeb | apparently openmoko has a proprietary bit or two in it as well :( |
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| 08:17.33 | jake | it's just, this laptop is ancient so it was taking forever :) |
| 08:17.35 | cydork | shogunx: there were some patches available for that iirc. |
| 08:17.59 | Wyzard | jake: How'd you get the 2.4 source onto that laptop? |
| 08:18.05 | jake | Wyzard, usb key |
| 08:18.11 | shogunx | Guerin interesting. i might have to look into that given that i have several ralink minipci's laying around. |
| 08:18.15 | Wyzard | jake: Do the same for the 2.6.8 packages |
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| 08:19.11 | Guerin | shogunx: they work a dream in obsd. The onyl thing you don't get is WPA, since the refuse to implement it until they can do it in a non-broken way |
| 08:19.19 | Wyzard | jake: If you just installed recently and don't have any important data on the laptop, you could also just reinstall using the "linux26" option at the CD's boot prompt, to install 2.6.8 right from the start |
| 08:19.35 | shogunx | of course, since it has essentially been proven that the openhal in bsd is not encumbered in any way, that could likely be applied to madwifi also. |
| 08:19.45 | Wyzard | jake: Then you'd only need to grab the headers package |
| 08:19.47 | jake | Wyzard, I have no CD |
| 08:19.52 | jake | Rather, no CDROM |
| 08:19.54 | Wyzard | ok |
| 08:20.07 | Wyzard | That's a really old laptop if it has no optical drive |
| 08:20.29 | jake | It is old, but it doesn't have a CDROM because of the size not the age. It's a Thinkpad 240 |
| 08:20.32 | Guerin | but since on obsd you have ipsec and/or authpf, it's no big freaking deal that there's no wpa |
| 08:20.36 | jake | Even the floppy is external |
| 08:20.38 | Guerin | which reminds me |
| 08:20.42 | Wyzard | How'd you install Debian on it in the first place, of you have no optical or network? |
| 08:20.46 | Guerin | i should set up authpf and tell my neighbours |
| 08:20.53 | Kevin` | you can install debian from a usb cdrom |
| 08:20.59 | shogunx | Guerin been using ipsec to secure my wireless net since i had to patch it into a 2.4.20 |
| 08:21.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:21.07 | spikeb | you can install debian from your brain |
| 08:21.07 | Wyzard | Guerin: WPA is considerably more convenient than VPN tunneling |
| 08:21.23 | Kevin` | vpn is considerably more secure then wpa |
| 08:21.24 | jake | Boot to floppy, network install. The dongle broke for the PCMCIA NIC right after the install finished |
| 08:21.26 | Kevin` | assuming proper vpn |
| 08:21.35 | Guerin | Wyzard: yeah. But obsd isn't really about convenience. |
| 08:21.35 | Wyzard | Kevin`: not really -- assuming proper WPA |
| 08:21.40 | Wyzard | Guerin: hehe, true |
| 08:21.41 | spikeb | heh jake |
| 08:21.42 | shogunx | jake get the soldering iron out! |
| 08:21.45 | spikeb | jake: talk about getting lucky |
| 08:21.47 | Kevin` | Wyzard wpa-enterprise, you mean? |
| 08:21.58 | Kevin` | vpn would beat anything else, and even that |
| 08:22.06 | Guerin | i have to agree |
| 08:22.14 | Guerin | encrypted vpn == teh win |
| 08:22.15 | jake | haha, it's pretty shredded. Being that it's 1:30am, I guess I'll start a kernel compile |
| 08:22.16 | Wyzard | Kevin`: or even just WPA-PSK (preferably WPA2-PSK) with a good passphrase |
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| 08:22.25 | Guerin | authpf == teh compromise which works |
| 08:22.58 | Guerin | i thought the WPA protoicol implementation was actually broken? |
| 08:23.06 | Kevin` | jake what networking devices does it currently have then? |
| 08:23.08 | Wyzard | Guerin: Not that I've heard of |
| 08:23.14 | Guerin | i mean, not so bad as wep, which is the silk nightie of encryption |
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| 08:23.22 | dcordes | hey all |
| 08:23.25 | Guerin | i should google |
| 08:23.42 | Wyzard | Guerin: The only "weakness" I've heard about is that if an attacker can eavesdrop an authorized user connecting to the network, he can do a brute-force attack on his own computer without needing to communicate with the wireless network |
| 08:23.48 | dcordes | i would like to make a shell script that creates a few screens, starting programs inside them. how can i manage that? |
| 08:23.57 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, that's pretty broken. |
| 08:24.04 | Wyzard | Guerin: but if you choose a good passphrase so that brute-force is infeasible, WPA is pretty secure AFAIK |
| 08:24.10 | Guerin | right |
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| 08:24.19 | jake | Kevin`, a netgear (madwifi compatible) using a WG511T chipset |
| 08:24.33 | Guerin | but in a perfect world, the quality of your passphrase shouldn't come into it |
| 08:24.35 | Guerin | i mean |
| 08:24.37 | Kevin` | jake that's a cardbus card I assume then? |
| 08:24.37 | dcordes | Guerin: well better then wep |
| 08:24.40 | dcordes | which is a laughter |
| 08:24.41 | Kevin` | jake nice :) |
| 08:24.43 | shogunx | dcordes, try xterm -e |
| 08:24.53 | Wyzard | Guerin: Quality of passphrase is always relevant |
| 08:24.57 | Guerin | if they have unlimited cpu time, they can get anyone, right ;) |
| 08:25.17 | dcordes | shogunx: xterm?? |
| 08:25.18 | Wyzard | Guerin: Brute-forcing WPA's key directly is infeasible; brute-forcing the passphrase is feasible if the passphrase is short and/or simple |
| 08:25.36 | jake | Kevin`, yep and as I was saying, it mocks me by blinking and being recognized by lspci |
| 08:25.45 | dcordes | Wyzard: and appears in some wordlist |
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| 08:25.51 | jake | I need this deb: kernel-source-2.4.27-2.4.27-10sarge1 but I can't find it anywhere |
| 08:25.54 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 08:25.54 | Guerin | Wyzard: yeh, I see. |
| 08:26.05 | shogunx | dcordes, perhaps i misinterpreted your request? are you referring to screen like the terminal multiplexer? if so, what i said will not do. |
| 08:26.09 | Wyzard | but something like a seven-word Diceware passphrase isn't going to fall to any brute-force attack |
| 08:26.49 | Guerin | neither is an initialised line from James Joyce |
| 08:26.53 | Wyzard | and I haven't heard of any known weaknesses in WPA aside from brute force |
| 08:26.59 | Guerin | OMGs3kr1Ts! |
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| 08:27.22 | nitul | hello |
| 08:27.25 | nitul | need few helps |
| 08:27.34 | dcordes | shogunx: i frequently use some applications from my server. like irssi and rtorrent. i usually start those in a gnu screen so i can access them whenever i want from the client. since the server is restarted sometimes, i would like to make a small script that starts those applications in differnet screnns. |
| 08:27.49 | nitul | i have setuped a web server |
| 08:27.49 | Wyzard | and with WPA you don't need to install and configure additional special VPN client software on each computer that'll be using the wireless network :-) |
| 08:27.57 | nitul | but when i am checking DNS REPORTS |
| 08:27.58 | Guerin | dcordes: read screenrc |
| 08:28.03 | nitul | its giving NO Valid SOA Record |
| 08:28.12 | nitul | this is the right point to ask this qus ? |
| 08:28.25 | nitul | SOA FAILSOA RecordNo valid SOA record came back: |
| 08:28.25 | nitul | org. is not ku |
| 08:28.30 | Kevin` | nitul good enough. how did you set up your dns zone? |
| 08:28.35 | nitul | keith80403 |
| 08:28.38 | nitul | Kevin` thanks |
| 08:28.42 | nitul | its auto setuped with VHCS2 |
| 08:28.52 | dcordes | shogunx: you think that would be possible? |
| 08:28.59 | nitul | i can use the web with 3rd party dns such as : afraid. |
| 08:29.00 | Guerin | Wyzard: right. But authpf is a decent compromise, if you only need auth, not encryption. Just put a ssh line in an up stanza. |
| 08:29.05 | nitul | but can not use it directl |
| 08:29.18 | Guerin | nitul: ask #dns |
| 08:29.19 | shogunx | dcordes, anything is possible. and it sounds like a good idea. do what Guerin said. |
| 08:29.20 | Kevin` | nitul what's your domain, and your name server name |
| 08:29.24 | nitul | keith80403 |
| 08:29.26 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:29.28 | nitul | kuasha.org |
| 08:29.31 | nitul | i just parked this one. |
| 08:29.37 | Kevin` | fullly qualified domain for both please |
| 08:29.39 | nitul | and the company provide me this name servers |
| 08:30.01 | nitul | nameserve 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:30.01 | nitul | nameserver 66.49.254.254 |
| 08:30.01 | nitul | nameserver 66.49.194.253 |
| 08:30.12 | Kevin` | I mean for the domain, not locally |
| 08:30.25 | nitul | i used them |
| 08:30.32 | nitul | ns1.kuasha.org > 66.49.254.254 |
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| 08:30.42 | nitul | ns2.kuasha.org > 66.49.194.253 |
| 08:30.48 | peterS | thank you for not pasting |
| 08:30.50 | Kevin` | are those two of your computers, or a hosting company? |
| 08:30.51 | nitul | and my server ip is : 66.49.211.59 |
| 08:30.57 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:31.00 | nitul | hosting company. |
| 08:31.05 | nitul | the hosting company privide me |
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| 08:31.13 | nitul | my IP is : 66.49.211.59 |
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| 08:31.34 | cydork | !enter |
| 08:31.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 08:31.49 | Kevin` | nitul those two nameservers aren't responding to requests for your domain, are you sure they are nameservers for your domain, and not for resolving use? |
| 08:32.16 | dcordes | Guerin: sorry, what's that screenrc? |
| 08:32.26 | Guerin | dcordes: it's the screen config file |
| 08:32.36 | dcordes | ah i see |
| 08:32.38 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:32.45 | nitul | well i am first time setuping VHCS2 |
| 08:32.46 | jake | damn it, is security.debian down? |
| 08:32.49 | nitul | and no idea about them |
| 08:32.58 | Kevin` | nitul where did you get those numbers from then? |
| 08:33.02 | nitul | thes name servers are provided by my hosting company to my mail |
| 08:33.04 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:33.09 | nitul | the hosting company mailed me |
| 08:33.14 | nitul | DNS Ips : |
| 08:33.17 | baloo-work | cydork: Heh. Sometimes you gotta wonder if people even bothered to think that maybe, just maybe, English class in school is important for life... |
| 08:33.19 | nitul | those two name servers |
| 08:33.19 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:33.29 | Guerin | nitul: this has nothing to do with debian. Go ask #dns. |
| 08:33.35 | nitul | Guerin |
| 08:33.39 | Kevin` | nitul have you set up a zone or such that your hosting company is hosting, or are those namservers for normal lookups |
| 08:33.40 | nitul | off pls. |
| 08:33.46 | Guerin | nitul: and stop fucking putting nicks on theiir own line |
| 08:33.50 | peterS | nitul: please stop hitting the Enter key until you have finished a sentence |
| 08:34.07 | pstickne | baloo-work, English classes were a joke when I went through High School. |
| 08:34.08 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:34.13 | nitul | should i use my local IP ? |
| 08:34.15 | BlueParrot | wooooot, open source port pf sim city .... |
| 08:34.16 | nitul | as name servers ? |
| 08:34.19 | bolt | . |
| 08:34.20 | baloo-work | pstickne: Well probably because you get it. |
| 08:34.22 | BlueParrot | proooooooo |
| 08:34.24 | nitul | i mean the server's IP ? |
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| 08:34.30 | baloo-work | pstickne: nitul doesn't. |
| 08:34.32 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:34.34 | peterS | nitul: I said, please stop hitting the Enter key until you have finished a sentence |
| 08:34.36 | nitul | because bind is running |
| 08:34.39 | Kevin` | nitul do you have a nameserver set up on your local ip that responds to that domain? |
| 08:34.40 | Guerin | nitul: use this ip: FUC.KOF.FFN.OW |
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| 08:34.48 | baloo-work | dpkg: tell nitul about enter |
| 08:35.21 | Kevin` | nitul you should have two nameservers for a domain, also. |
| 08:35.21 | nitul | Kevin` |
| 08:35.21 | nitul | yah got it now ;d |
| 08:35.21 | nitul | thanks dude |
| 08:35.21 | Kevin` | nitul afraid.org for example provides free secondary hosting |
| 08:35.21 | nitul | let me try this way |
| 08:35.24 | nitul | Kevin` |
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| 08:35.28 | pstickne | Kevin`, backups and redundancy are for the weak :p |
| 08:35.37 | Guerin | f'real |
| 08:35.42 | peterS | nitul: I told you twice. stop hitting enter so often. |
| 08:35.43 | cydork | baloo-work: :) |
| 08:35.54 | Kevin` | pstickne iana will start complaining if you point both to the same ip, or so i've heard ;) |
| 08:36.10 | jetscreamer | http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html |
| 08:36.46 | jetscreamer | http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/index.htm |
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| 08:36.50 | hark | omgz spam |
| 08:36.56 | jetscreamer | where |
| 08:37.00 | cydork | jetscreamer: stop spamming!! |
| 08:37.06 | peterS | jetscreamer: uh ... you are in #debian |
| 08:39.11 | jetscreamer | oh comp sci ot |
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| 08:39.53 | peterS | right, this is #debian, not #homework |
| 08:40.31 | jetscreamer | but they have a debian package! |
| 08:40.43 | jetscreamer | (that was a joke btw) |
| 08:41.38 | peterS | "computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Dijkstra, paraphrased |
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| 08:43.19 | jetscreamer | well there's nuclear science too |
| 08:43.31 | markybob | "in other news, breathing and surviving are completely irrelevant" |
| 08:44.24 | peterS | a lot of people seem to think computer science _is_ about computers, and by a marvelous transitive relationship, that it is also about anything else that happens to be based on computers |
| 08:44.24 | hark | there's political science too! |
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| 08:45.04 | jetscreamer | i was really just pointing out the free online courses |
| 08:45.11 | peterS | why? |
| 08:45.46 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:45.50 | Guerin | political science online? |
| 08:45.52 | Guerin | HAHAHA |
| 08:45.58 | peterS | posting a random URL is not a way to "point out" anything. it is a way to spam. if you want to talk about something, you have to do more than give a URL. you have to explain, at minimum, why we should bother to fire up our browsers and follow it. |
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| 08:46.27 | peterS | if your explanation doesn't seem to be on-topic for the channel in question, that's also an indication that you might be spamming |
| 08:46.51 | bier_ | anyone else experienced the problem of a missing "navigation.php" in the etch phpmyadmin package (phpmyadmin_4%3a2.9.1.1-3_all.deb)? |
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| 08:47.11 | jetscreamer | ok back to nitul |
| 08:47.37 | peterS | if I -q him I wonder if he will suddenly develop interest in questions relating to Debian |
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| 08:48.02 | BlueParrot | jetscreamer: it is usually considered polite to mention the content of the link before posting it so people know weather to bother about it |
| 08:48.27 | BlueParrot | jetscreamer: especially if it isn't directly related to the channel |
| 08:48.56 | jetscreamer | no it would set off my for great justice syndrome |
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| 08:50.23 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:50.24 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 08:50.49 | BlueParrot | jetscreamer: it isn't that the links you posted were inapropriate or anything, people just don't like it when multipl links are posted without any indication as to what they are |
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| 08:52.54 | bier_ | uhm, that's funny... if i make a link from "left.php" to "navigation.php" - it works... doesn't seem to be debian related... |
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| 08:59.11 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 08:59.55 | larsl | How do I get alternative Arabic fonts on Debian? Arabic text seems to look exactly the same (modulo font weight) no matter which font I choose. |
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| 09:00.14 | larsl | I'm looking for something a bit more "stylish", the standard font looks a bit clunky. |
| 09:00.51 | vchrizz | im trying to install debian with floppy images; while deb installer i get the error that no kernel modules were found and because of this i cant proceed installing... |
| 09:02.43 | elshaa | what do I need to configure so that mails sent to "root" are sent to an other real email address ? |
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| 09:02.52 | jake | Where can I found outdated .deb's that were released in security? |
| 09:03.29 | vchrizz | i can remember, some time ago when i installed with floppy images there were some driver images... now i see just boot, root and cd drivers... where do i get these kernel modules? |
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| 09:03.44 | hinosaki | hi all |
| 09:04.18 | vchrizz | jake: maybe backports.org ? |
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| 09:04.42 | hark | jake: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 09:04.48 | jake | thanks |
| 09:04.51 | hinosaki | hi, is there anybody knows of originins of Debian Cow? |
| 09:04.56 | arckane | morning all. Does anyone have a pointer for me for doing a Speedtouch 330 (Thompson one) ADSL firmware install? |
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| 09:05.24 | reto_ | just did two successful sarge-etch upgrades.. |
| 09:05.30 | reto_ | nice stuff :) |
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| 09:05.33 | avtobiff | hinosaki, asciipr0n.org? |
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| 09:08.13 | jake | sdn was exactly what I needed |
| 09:08.41 | hinosaki | avtobiff: ....mmh with asciipr0n.org i've no valid stire. with asciipr0n.com there's a lot of stuff but no cow's origin... |
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| 09:09.00 | avtobiff | hmm... |
| 09:09.12 | larsl | Never mind, found the arabeyes TTF package. =) |
| 09:09.35 | CyberzO | lol |
| 09:09.41 | CyberzO | acsiip0rn ;d ? |
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| 09:10.12 | hark | heh |
| 09:10.17 | hinosaki | :) |
| 09:10.31 | avtobiff | http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/morepr0n/pr0n91.txt |
| 09:10.41 | hark | there's a debian cow? |
| 09:10.45 | avtobiff | there is a cow there. Mathematical Cow (developer of Cow-culus) |
| 09:10.49 | avtobiff | hark, yes. |
| 09:11.18 | avtobiff | hark, try apt-get moo |
| 09:11.37 | hark | ah that one |
| 09:11.54 | hark | !moo |
| 09:11.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 09:12.31 | hinosaki | :) but who invented the Cow? |
| 09:12.35 | avtobiff | hark, and also aptitude moo |
| 09:12.46 | avtobiff | and aptitude -v moo, aptitude -vv moo and so on |
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| 09:14.17 | hark | it's just an easter egg |
| 09:15.00 | hark | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 |
| 09:15.09 | hinosaki | hark: ok, it's an easter egg.... but why a "cow" :) |
| 09:15.35 | hark | because it has super cow powers that's why ;) |
| 09:15.37 | baloo-work | If you own a car, you might want to grab some masking tape and cover the VIN number. |
| 09:15.44 | Guerin | hinosaki: cowsay |
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| 09:16.03 | baloo-work | My coworker just discovered the hard way that dealerships DO NOT check the VIN to see who owns it before they cut a new key for that vehicle. |
| 09:16.10 | baloo-work | Guess how my coworker's car was stolen? |
| 09:16.11 | hark | cowsay is a different one |
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| 09:17.03 | hinosaki | ok, ok Cow has the Power! :) |
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| 09:18.12 | jake | woohoo! with any luck, "make oldconfig" should be finished in under 24 hours |
| 09:18.48 | markybob | make oldconfig takes 24hours? on what? or do you mean the compiling process afterwards? |
| 09:19.13 | markybob | a toaster can do oldconfig faster than 24hrs |
| 09:19.34 | wols | Bhaal: here, car dealers need (ca't work otherwise) the papers for the car |
| 09:19.42 | jake | heh, I'm exagerating but only slightly. This machine is _slow_ |
| 09:20.01 | vchrizz | i just found an error on the boot.img floppy image ... "Insert the root floppy or plug in _a_ USB storage device." <- instead of "a" it should be "an" i think ? |
| 09:20.04 | wols | jake: you can compile the kernel on another machine |
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| 09:20.10 | baloo-work | wols: In theory, yes, in practice, it varies wildly. |
| 09:20.31 | baloo-work | Plus it's not that hard to forge a title if you know the VIN. |
| 09:20.38 | wols | baloo-work: not here. they need some data from the papers or the electronic anti theft part of the key won't work |
| 09:20.54 | jake | eh, I've had varying success doing cross compiles |
| 09:21.04 | baloo-work | wols: Very few cars have RFID keys. Very few. |
| 09:21.26 | baloo-work | Usually if your car has RFID keys, you overpaid by a good ten grand or so. |
| 09:21.28 | wols | all here do. mandatory by insurance companies. or you pay more |
| 09:21.52 | baloo-work | You're in Germany. |
| 09:21.58 | wols | yes |
| 09:22.07 | wols | and poland and the rest of eastern europe is quite near |
| 09:22.20 | baloo-work | Germany has sane laws. Like sending the car to the crusher and revoking driver's licenses for life on the first drunk driving conviction. |
| 09:22.29 | wols | baloo-work: BS |
| 09:22.46 | baloo-work | wols: On which part? |
| 09:22.46 | xand | because US laws aren't OTT, oh no |
| 09:22.47 | Guerin | and that's not a sane law, in any case |
| 09:22.56 | wols | on thw whole drunk driving bit |
| 09:23.14 | baloo-work | Guerin: Sure it is. I wish that we had that here in the US, and wish it applied to driving while distracted as well. Tired of dodging cell phone morons. |
| 09:23.23 | Guerin | baloo-work: it's an *enormous* waste of resources for one thing |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | baloo-work: by all means, confiscate the car. but don't destroy it. |
| 09:23.41 | xand | indeed |
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| 09:23.52 | wols | Guerin: neither is done. and would be a violation of cour constitution |
| 09:23.58 | baloo-work | Guerin: Or at least require California plates to be hunter orange so when they leave California we have some warning that there's someone who never learned to drive in our presence... |
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| 09:24.16 | Guerin | wols: yeh, i'm not commenting on that, since all i know about german car laws is autobahn == no speed limit ;) |
| 09:24.31 | baloo-work | Guerin: I heard it's 140km/h but I could be wrong. |
| 09:24.33 | Guerin | baloo-work: because only people from $nothere are bad drivers |
| 09:24.33 | jake | which isn't exactly true Guerin |
| 09:24.39 | wols | Guerin: not totally true either :) |
| 09:24.42 | Guerin | jake: see what I know? |
| 09:24.44 | jake | heh |
| 09:24.52 | jake | I only know because the history channel told me |
| 09:24.57 | baloo-work | Guerin: Not true. Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Illinois, New York, pretty much everywhere else has decent drivers. |
| 09:25.06 | markybob | where i have a beach house in brazil, there are signs on the roads that say "watch out for drunks" ...man i love that place |
| 09:25.16 | baloo-work | Guerin: California does not require you to pass the driving portion of the test if you can pass the written portion. |
| 09:25.19 | wols | there is no blanet limit but if you have an accident >130km/h you're basically automatically guilty partially |
| 09:25.22 | Guerin | baloo-work: i believe I have the upper hand in the worst-driver stakes: I lived (and drove) in asia for three years |
| 09:25.26 | hinosaki | bye |
| 09:25.34 | wols | *blanket |
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| 09:25.38 | xand | cars-- |
| 09:25.38 | Guerin | wols: that's sane |
| 09:25.44 | baloo-work | Guerin: Additionally, you can ask for the answer key to your written test in California while taking the test. |
| 09:25.44 | Guerin | wols: not that they'll get many prosecutions |
| 09:26.24 | Guerin | drink-driving is gradually becoming rarer in NZ |
| 09:26.35 | baloo-work | Guerin: So you don't even have to know the rules of the road or have any behind the wheel competance to get a CA license. But your point about Asia is taken...I've seen some videos from Indian intersections and that's just nutty. |
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| 09:27.09 | Guerin | baloo-work: the worst - and best - drivers are in Sai Gon |
| 09:27.23 | Guerin | baloo-work: they're insane, suicidal and dangerous - but damn, are they good at it |
| 09:27.29 | baloo-work | Guerin: Hehehe. |
| 09:27.39 | Guerin | baloo-work: nevertheless, they lose about 50,000 per year to traffic accidents |
| 09:27.53 | Guerin | just in sai gon |
| 09:27.56 | baloo-work | I've been involved in three accidents in my truck, five on my bicycle. |
| 09:28.05 | Guerin | the rest of viet nam i wouldn't care to think about |
| 09:28.07 | baloo-work | I've never been found at fault in any of them. |
| 09:28.11 | wols | Guerin: curbs overpopulation |
| 09:28.20 | Guerin | wols: not sufficiently |
| 09:28.41 | Guerin | i've written off three cars - two I was driving, one I hit, though again, not my fault |
| 09:28.49 | baloo-work | Three times on a bicycle and both times while driving, the person who caused the accident had Californian plates. Three times on a bicycle, the driver was on the phone when they caused the accident. |
| 09:28.55 | Guerin | one guy U-turned in front of me in a monsoon |
| 09:29.07 | Guerin | very learly ended up upside-down in a rice paddy |
| 09:29.08 | baloo-work | In one of those accidents on my bike, the driver was guilty of driving while distracted and Californian. |
| 09:29.19 | wols | heh. S Korea will block 180 pr0n sites from may onward. now that'll help with the moral behaviour of koreans... |
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| 09:29.36 | Guerin | wols: 180 ... hahaha |
| 09:29.47 | Guerin | wols: the irony being that koreans don';t use any internet outside korea |
| 09:29.47 | wols | and all cause there was a naked womean on a yahoo videosite for a few hours |
| 09:30.16 | xand | I think sex should be banned |
| 09:30.27 | maddash | how many womean? |
| 09:30.38 | Guerin | xand: spoken like someone who's not gettin' any |
| 09:30.40 | wols | xand: true. all problems will be solved in at most 100 years. permanently |
| 09:30.47 | xand | wols: exactly |
| 09:30.50 | xand | Guerin: nope |
| 09:30.56 | Guerin | the other irony being that all korean pr0n wouldn't even qualify as such in most countries |
| 09:31.08 | wols | maddash: one woman. and a few single more videos on some other sites |
| 09:31.32 | maddash | do I need the IPv6 to be enabled in my kernel? how do I know if I'll need it? |
| 09:31.41 | xand | maddash: unless you know, you don't |
| 09:31.53 | xand | need it that is, not know ;) |
| 09:31.58 | wols | Guerin: now you make me curious. need to look for korean pr0n. only for research purposes of course |
| 09:32.20 | maddash | xand, et al: where is it used these days? isn't most (or all?) of the internet ipv4? |
| 09:32.28 | xand | !ipv6 |
| 09:32.28 | dpkg | hmm... ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
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| 09:32.32 | xand | bah |
| 09:32.34 | wols | not all but most. if you needed it you'd knew |
| 09:32.44 | wols | mostly some geeks use it out of a techno fetish |
| 09:32.46 | xand | what wols said |
| 09:32.54 | Guerin | wols: save yourself the bother - the women all look like 14 year-olds and nobody gets shown from the waist down |
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| 09:33.20 | hark | 4.3 billion addresses ought to be enough for everybody |
| 09:33.42 | maddash | z = wife |
| 09:33.44 | xand | hark: ha |
| 09:33.49 | wols | hark: wishful thinking |
| 09:33.58 | xand | ipv6 will give billions of billions of addresses per person ;) |
| 09:34.19 | hark | but will the ISP'd do so.. |
| 09:34.25 | maddash | what timezone is Guerin in, anyway? |
| 09:34.39 | wols | xand: before we use ipv6 we probably have star empire across half the galaxy |
| 09:34.52 | wols | with more than the piddly few billion humans like we have now |
| 09:34.58 | wols | he's a kiwi |
| 09:35.04 | xand | a fruit? |
| 09:35.09 | baloo-work | I'd go IPv6 but I still have one network device that doesn't support IPv6 |
| 09:35.23 | wols | xand: if I were from Oz, I'd said he's a sheep-lover :P |
| 09:35.29 | avtobiff | baloo-work, what? the bat-phone? |
| 09:35.29 | xand | haha |
| 09:35.39 | baloo-work | wols: You're confusing Australians with Carolinians. |
| 09:35.58 | baloo-work | wols: Search for 77 sheep raleigh on news.google.com |
| 09:36.10 | baloo-work | avtobiff: A brand new TiVo Series 2 |
| 09:36.14 | avtobiff | ok |
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| 09:36.18 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:36.39 | xand | no, it's seperate |
| 09:36.41 | Guerin | yes, it's 21:36 |
| 09:36.48 | xand | early for bed |
| 09:37.08 | Guerin | but maddash is right; z in this case == bed, not sleep |
| 09:37.42 | Guerin | !kiwismite wols |
| 09:37.54 | maddash | yay, tinier kernel |
| 09:38.46 | wols | Guerin: you're not allowed to smite me. I just called you a kiwi! you're supposed to like that |
| 09:39.05 | maddash | !sex for Guerin <ew> |
| 09:39.06 | dpkg | for Guerin <ew> is about 24% female |
| 09:39.34 | maddash | oh shit, i hit <Enter> |
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| 09:41.33 | maddash | how unusual -- the kernel config has irc protocol support |
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| 09:41.59 | SpComb | sounds good, a kernel-mode IRC client? |
| 09:42.07 | Kevin` | kernel mode irc client? |
| 09:42.19 | spikeb | msIRC? |
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| 09:43.24 | maddash | Networking > Networking support > networking options > network packet filtering framework > core netfilter configuration |
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| 09:44.50 | SpComb | an iptables extension to block IRC? :o |
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| 09:45.44 | wols | maddash: dcc probably. cause it's such an awful protocol, comparable with ftp |
| 09:46.13 | SpComb | there's a DCC protocol? |
| 09:46.45 | maddash | then why's it labeled "experimental"? |
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| 09:47.23 | baloo-work | Yeah, it's for DCC. And it's experimental because it doesnt have all the kinks ironed out. |
| 09:47.36 | baloo-work | DCC is kind of a hack. If you think you need DCC, you really need Jabber. |
| 09:47.59 | maddash | hmm, to bootsplash or not? |
| 09:48.06 | Kevin` | if you think you need dcc, you need apache :) |
| 09:48.23 | baloo-work | Kevin`: Heh, that works, too, but Jabber is layman-approachable. |
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| 09:48.33 | streuner | maddash: there is :-) |
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| 09:48.36 | streuner | !dcc |
| 09:48.37 | dpkg | dcc is, like, a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ or see <dcc alliance> |
| 09:48.42 | baloo-work | maddash: To waste bits on something you'll only see once or not... |
| 09:49.36 | maddash | baloo-work: thank you for your wisdom :( |
| 09:49.44 | maddash | baloo-work: s/:(/:)/ |
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| 09:50.18 | streuner | Hey damog :-) |
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| 09:51.08 | baloo-work | maddash: Heheh, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic... bootsplash seems rather pointless to me...why beautify something that you're (hopefully) not looking at all day? |
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| 09:51.58 | maddash | baloo-work: i wasn't sarcastic either -- you shaved about ~30sec off my compile and boot times |
| 09:52.19 | baloo-work | Aah. |
| 09:52.19 | maddash | baloo-work: and helped me realize the beauty of runlevel 1 messages! |
| 09:52.45 | baloo-work | My favorite one is from a machine that had parity ram. |
| 09:53.21 | baloo-work | Every time it booted, I'd get something like "OOPS: Strange memory parity reported, but everything seems normal. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue..." |
| 09:54.02 | maddash | baloo-work: how loquacious |
| 09:54.33 | baloo-work | Kind of up there with the one I get when I try printing when the printer is off. "lpr: lp0 reported an invalid error condition (So you say you're on fire?)" |
| 09:54.52 | maddash | baloo-work: it actually says that? what kernel is this? |
| 09:55.02 | johngalt | I need to move my debian system from a 400G drive to a 40G drive moving everything over except a 38G data set I downloaded. where can I find directions to do this? (I need the 400G drive for something else) |
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| 09:55.11 | baloo-work | 2.4 series does it, there's a patch to restore that message in 2.6 |
| 09:55.24 | baloo-work | 2.2 said "lpr: lp0 is on fire" instead. |
| 09:57.30 | spikeb | heh |
| 09:57.38 | spikeb | is on fire is the best error message |
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| 09:58.44 | wols | johngalt: download everything as root preserving perms, reinstall the bootloader |
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| 10:00.04 | Guza | hi |
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| 10:00.26 | Guza | can someone help me with install libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13_i386.deb |
| 10:00.27 | Guza | ? |
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| 10:01.28 | Guza | pls |
| 10:01.46 | xand | !pls |
| 10:01.46 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 10:01.55 | mastroDani | hi all, i have a question.. i think it could be a little OT but i hope you will help me anyway.. they are not repling in #e channel... |
| 10:02.06 | mastroDani | i have debian unstable and i want to install e17.. i've added "deb http://edevelop.org/debian unstable main" to my repository list but when i try to install e17 (apt-get install e17 e17-extras ) i get many error: http://pastebin.ca/414810 |
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| 10:02.33 | xand | unstable isn't really supported |
| 10:03.02 | Guza | can you explain this ? : |
| 10:03.03 | Guza | dpkg: error processing libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13_i386.deb (--install): |
| 10:03.03 | Guza | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.06 | markybob | guza tell me, why do people mix sarge/testing/sid and then wonder why things dont work and then waste our time to help them fix their crap? |
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| 10:03.31 | Guza | ok |
| 10:03.34 | Guza | tnx |
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| 10:03.41 | Guza | never mind |
| 10:03.44 | mastroDani | xand, you was repling to me? |
| 10:03.49 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 10:03.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 10:04.11 | wols | mastroDani: this is no debian repo you install from. debian can't really support that. ask the e17 folks |
| 10:05.05 | mastroDani | wols, as my message say.. i've asked them and nobody is repling me... i would be glad if you can explain me the apt error at least.. when this happen and some "general way" to fix it |
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| 10:05.27 | wols | get a working repo with working dependencies. nothing debian can do |
| 10:05.30 | wols | !they don't know |
| 10:05.30 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 10:07.00 | wols | !elive |
| 10:07.00 | dpkg | somebody said elive was a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive. |
| 10:07.58 | maddash | mastroDani: have you tried aptitude in place of apt-get? aptitude resolves dependencies... |
| 10:08.32 | mastroDani | hum |
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| 10:08.35 | mastroDani | no.. i try now tnx |
| 10:08.44 | xand | maddash: please... apt-get does too. |
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| 10:09.14 | maddash | xand: hmm, last time i checked, it left broken packages...broken. |
| 10:09.24 | xand | apt-get is just fine |
| 10:09.32 | maddash | sure. brb. |
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| 10:11.35 | Maerz | while compiling my kernel, i got that: http://paste.debian.net/24607 |
| 10:12.04 | Maerz | did i choose colliding modules or why is this happening ? |
| 10:12.46 | xand | why are you compiling? |
| 10:12.52 | mastroDani | wols, thanks for that.. but i simply tried to ask here if you can explain me an apt error, if you can't may be i will search a channel for the apt support |
| 10:13.06 | Maerz | xand, just want the newest kernel.. |
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| 10:15.34 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:15.35 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
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| 10:21.01 | Drac|BComp | Heh. I've always used shutdown -R now to shut down the machine, but this just throws it into 'maintenance mode', after which I need to do it again to actually turn the thing off. Is there a root console command that can do this in one shot, so to speak? |
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| 10:21.29 | xand | shutdown -h now |
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| 10:21.53 | xand | -R isn't an option for shutdown |
| 10:22.08 | Drac|BComp | Oh... hmm... I recall a -r or something |
| 10:22.15 | xand | -r = reboot |
| 10:22.16 | Drac|BComp | Then again, I've been doing a lot of cp and rm lately. |
| 10:22.19 | Drac|BComp | Ah. Right. |
| 10:22.24 | xand | but you want -h |
| 10:22.25 | Drac|BComp | Thought as much. |
| 10:22.31 | Drac|BComp | Thanks a ton. |
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| 10:34.20 | maddash | !setserial |
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| 10:36.27 | _bachus_ | !tasksel |
| 10:36.28 | dpkg | tasksel is, like, the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 10:36.55 | wols | maddash, _bachus_: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 10:38.08 | _bachus_ | wols: are we flooding? :) sorry... |
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| 10:40.21 | VSpike | Can anyone tell me how I can force removal of a package where the pre-removal script fails? |
| 10:40.43 | markybob | dpkg --force-all might work? |
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| 10:41.16 | cydork | VSpike: a dirty hack -> put exit 0 on top the script which fails. |
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| 10:43.26 | markybob | sure do wish all de's didnt suck as much as they do |
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| 10:44.01 | VSpike | markybob: nice idea, but doesn't do it. |
| 10:44.16 | VSpike | cydork: I think that will do it :) |
| 10:44.26 | VSpike | Going to have one more try to fix the package |
| 10:44.48 | Diilbert | Good morning all ! I am having a problem this morning logging into KDE I get a DCOPServer failure... here is my .xsession-errors file http://pastebin.ca/414856 Any ideas ? |
| 10:44.51 | markybob | VSpike: you do realize that i meant dpkg --force-all --remove foo, right? |
| 10:45.06 | VSpike | markybob: yep |
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| 10:45.38 | hark | revert back to a previous version(if) and remove normally |
| 10:45.48 | VSpike | Although I hated rpm, I remembered a --no-scripts option or something like that .. was wondering if the same existed but I couldn't find it |
| 10:45.56 | praecox | hey, does IP multicast enabled kernel really can make applications more efficient on the network? |
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| 10:46.03 | praecox | libslp1 complains about it. |
| 10:46.22 | wols | VSpike: dpkg -x |
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| 10:46.45 | wols | oh. removing, not installing |
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| 10:46.46 | praecox | s/does/can/ |
| 10:47.12 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 10:47.16 | markybob | s/can/does :) |
| 10:47.22 | jake | If someone installed a machine using the desktop/laptop tasks, is there a way to take it back to just standard? |
| 10:47.42 | VSpike | wols: yeah |
| 10:47.46 | hark | you'll have to purge them all manually |
| 10:47.50 | wols | praecox: only if the network and the app support multicast |
| 10:48.17 | wols | jake: find out what got installed and remove those things |
| 10:48.23 | wols | !remove-gnome |
| 10:48.27 | wols | !remove gnome |
| 10:48.27 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 10:48.52 | Diilbert | Any takers this morning ? |
| 10:49.14 | jake | wols, ok just wanted to make sure there wasn't something more automated. Thanks. |
| 10:49.22 | hark | tasksel --task-packages <task> to find out.. but metapackages kinda ruin it |
| 10:49.32 | jake | at this point I have wireless working, and I don't want to reinstall |
| 10:49.40 | baloo-work | Diilbert: Check your font path and/or install xfs |
| 10:49.42 | wols | jake: didn't I tell you not to use tasksel |
| 10:49.49 | jake | I wish the guy had asked me how I wanted it installed before going ahead with it :) |
| 10:49.54 | VSpike | I am using ubuntu but I think the same problem exists in debian from what i read. I installed ejabberd and that installed erlang-base and erlang-nox .. ejabberd won't start because of a bug in erlang .. and the remove script tries to use the ejabberctl script to change something which tries to start the daemon |
| 10:49.56 | jake | I didn't do the initial install |
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| 10:50.09 | Diilbert | baloo-work: What is the default ? |
| 10:50.10 | wols | VSpike: we still don#t do ubuntu. ask #ubuntu |
| 10:50.22 | hark | !tell VSpike -about ubuntu |
| 10:50.24 | VSpike | wols: I have |
| 10:50.25 | baloo-work | Diilbert: No default. |
| 10:50.25 | wols | especially not when packages are broken |
| 10:50.33 | hark | no wonder |
| 10:50.35 | wols | VSpike: we don't care. you run ubuntu. you ask #ubuntu, not debian |
| 10:50.52 | Diilbert | baloo-work: how do I know what to check ? |
| 10:50.53 | baloo-work | Diilbert: It has to be set, and it depends on whether you're using xfs or not what you need there. Check out the fonts arguments in the X.org documentation for details. |
| 10:51.27 | baloo-work | Diilbert: Trial and error. |
| 10:51.33 | VSpike | OK. well, thanks for the help with dpkg anyways.. ttfn |
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| 10:52.42 | Diilbert | baloo-work: thanks I will try that out |
| 10:53.13 | praecox | wols, I don't think so, we don't have MBONE network here. ;) |
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| 10:53.57 | wols | LANs are often multicast capable. it's the WANs that aren't. ISPs don't like multicast. could cut down their profits |
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| 10:55.55 | Lakez | I repeatedly get this: |
| 10:56.00 | Lakez | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 10:56.00 | Lakez | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 10:56.00 | Lakez | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:56.05 | Lakez | Anyone know what's up with that? |
| 10:56.29 | wols | you have ran apt-get update? |
| 10:56.35 | Lakez | yes |
| 10:57.32 | markybob | uh. apt-get install gpgv ? |
| 10:57.35 | Lakez | http://paste-bin.com/10706 |
| 10:58.25 | Lakez | ah ok, thanks markw |
| 10:58.32 | baloo-work | wols: I don't see how saving bandwidth cuts into profits, seems like the functionality would be a boon. |
| 10:58.35 | wols | either (re)install gpg or dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 10:58.51 | baloo-work | wols: I recall working for @Home when they were still in the US and they supported MBONE for exactly that reason. |
| 10:59.01 | wols | baloo-work: if clients can use multicast to serve their users, less traffic for the ISPs -> less profit for the ISPs |
| 10:59.26 | xand | my ISP supports multicast for certain things |
| 10:59.29 | wols | not to mention the ISPs need to replace old routers which aren#t yet multicast cpabale |
| 10:59.44 | xand | and we have multicast iptv at work |
| 10:59.49 | markybob | wols wtf? less traffic is less profit for isps? that's your story and you're sticking to it? |
| 10:59.52 | xand | from the internets |
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| 11:00.17 | markybob | if that was the case, isps would be thanking God for bittorrent, not capping it for flat out blocking it |
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| 11:00.30 | wols | markybob: less traffic means they can charge for less traffic. yes |
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| 11:00.48 | markybob | wols that's total crap because most isps are unlimited usage |
| 11:00.49 | wols | bt is user 2 user. flatrates |
| 11:00.54 | wols | businesses don't have flatrates |
| 11:01.16 | wols | markybob: you don't stram a inet radio via your dsl line, do you? |
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| 11:01.44 | wols | hosting flatrates are pretty much scams |
| 11:02.14 | markybob | wow. ok. nm. i dont care enough to talk about this any longer |
| 11:02.18 | baloo-work | wols: Flat rate is the norm stateside. |
| 11:02.33 | wols | baloo-work: for server hosting? |
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| 11:03.07 | baloo-work | wols: I know @Home supported MBONE and offered a variety of video feeds via MBONE to save on bandwidth costs to host more users. |
| 11:03.18 | baloo-work | wols: Yeah, server hosting is usually flat rate, too. |
| 11:03.35 | wols | last I checked, ISPs only have peering when you're a tier1. worldwide |
| 11:03.38 | xand | multicast saves ISPS money |
| 11:03.44 | wols | if you're a smaller player you pay for traffic |
| 11:04.12 | baloo-work | ursine.ca isn't costing me a fortune even though it uses a few gigs of bandwidth a day. |
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| 11:06.14 | wols | what is the biggest hoster in the US? |
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| 11:07.57 | baloo-work | wols: Probably some spamhaus like Rackspace. |
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| 11:11.51 | wols | for some reason they don't quote prices or terms |
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| 11:11.53 | Lakez | ev1/theplanet claims to be |
| 11:12.05 | wols | I guess they think they're so good you sign with them even without that |
| 11:13.17 | AlteKiet | g'day, How can I make screen _not_ resize my terminal window? |
| 11:13.40 | AlteKiet | ... when I start screen from a terminal session |
| 11:13.50 | Lakez | theplanet gobbled up a few ips's ... they claim to be the largest. Network is shittier than ever tho. I've been with them for years and years and the network has never been this bad. Softlayer, the guys that created ev1 that sold out.. is kicking ass.. although they're still growing.. they're amazing |
| 11:14.00 | Lakez | man screen i'd guess |
| 11:14.07 | AlteKiet | Lakez: doesn't help |
| 11:14.45 | AlteKiet | Lakez: there's only one item about "fit" to make the window fit the 'current region' |
| 11:15.01 | AlteKiet | Lakez: but there is no 'fit' in any screenrc |
| 11:15.13 | Lakez | AlteKiet, why do you want it to stop resizing? |
| 11:16.25 | AlteKiet | Lakez: Because it annoys me very much. Every time I re-attach a screen session, the terminal window resizes; it makes it a whole lot more narrow |
| 11:16.31 | GutterPunk | Anyone ever heard of "dtscdscanner"? |
| 11:16.57 | Lakez | AlteKiet, weird it doesn't do that for me.. what are you connecting with? |
| 11:17.20 | AlteKiet | windoze+putty -> sshd on debian etch |
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| 11:17.39 | GutterPunk | We have received an abuse email stating that one of our servers initiated a port scan. When I did a chkrootkit it detected Unreal3.2 and "dtscdscanner". I'm wondering if this host might be infected |
| 11:18.03 | GutterPunk | Are there any tools I can use to check if this is the case? |
| 11:18.07 | mortal | GutterPunk: take it down and examine the hd |
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| 11:19.29 | Lakez | AlteKiet, I use SecureCRT and it doesn't do that... or at least I don't notice it |
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| 11:20.13 | GutterPunk | mortal, what do you suggest I do? |
| 11:20.29 | mortal | GutterPunk: you can't trust it if it has been compromised |
| 11:20.34 | mortal | you need a clean machine to analyse the situation |
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| 11:22.28 | markybob | GutterPunk: you're really the top admin? |
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| 11:25.11 | GutterPunk | markybob, there's only one admin... and yes, thats me..why? |
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| 11:26.17 | markybob | GutterPunk: because the last thing i would do is trust someone in irc for something like that. |
| 11:26.42 | wols | GutterPunk: already ran chkrootkit and it found something. what more do you need? |
| 11:26.49 | wols | if you#re the admin you're supposed to know what to do |
| 11:27.20 | mortal | GutterPunk: give me the r00t and I'll check it ;) |
| 11:27.25 | mortal | just joking |
| 11:27.43 | wols | mortal: don't. he might take you up on it |
| 11:28.47 | GutterPunk | markybob, I'm not sure I see why this may be a problem. This server is not using this connection, and I'm not spreading any details about which server is compromized... |
| 11:29.15 | wols | GutterPunk: is that server still online? does it still have an internet connection? |
| 11:29.16 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 11:29.17 | dpkg | [harden-doc] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 11:29.57 | wols | tarzeau: that's only useful and only minimally for when he reinstalls the server |
| 11:30.02 | GutterPunk | No really, please enlighten me. Where did I go wrong? |
| 11:30.10 | tarzeau | wols: no, it documents hardening of the system |
| 11:30.32 | tarzeau | GutterPunk: you've had weak passwords? |
| 11:30.52 | GhostlyDeath | How do I restart X without logging off? |
| 11:31.02 | cydork | GutterPunk: weak password + local exploit? |
| 11:31.12 | wols | ewbserver with php? |
| 11:31.29 | yangsx | hi, is there a way to lock X and suspend debian? |
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| 11:31.50 | wols | yangsx: yes there is. lots of ways actually |
| 11:31.50 | tarzeau | yangsx: there's xtrlock |
| 11:32.00 | GhostlyDeath | my mouse doesn;t work at all... |
| 11:32.12 | GutterPunk | wols, yes it's still online. |
| 11:32.15 | wols | every DE can lock normally. and there is uswsusp or however it'S spelled |
| 11:32.22 | wols | GutterPunk: that is your first error |
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| 11:33.34 | yangsx | tarzeau: and I can suspend the system after lock it? if true, I'd try it |
| 11:33.59 | wols | yangsx: no need to lock anything for suspend to work |
| 11:34.07 | GutterPunk | wols, this host is quite critical. downtime is hardly an option |
| 11:34.26 | GutterPunk | if it's going down, it's going down tonight |
| 11:34.26 | tarzeau | GutterPunk: is having it other people use it an option? |
| 11:34.28 | wols | GutterPunk: if you are compromised, downtime is mandatory |
| 11:34.45 | tarzeau | GutterPunk: can people die if it's down now? |
| 11:34.50 | wols | especially other people modifying your criticial data? |
| 11:35.05 | wols | that server is burnt. whatever data goes through it is not trustworthy anymore at all |
| 11:35.12 | GutterPunk | We do have backups you know. This host does not have access to other hosts at the datacenter |
| 11:35.31 | wols | tarzeau: they can die right now since the bad guys might modify data |
| 11:35.44 | wols | GutterPunk: that BS. how else can a rootkit get onto it? |
| 11:36.12 | GutterPunk | Because on this host, one other guy has root access. I can't get a hold of him right now though |
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| 11:36.25 | Lakez | make that 2 others :) |
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| 11:36.35 | markybob | what happened to only being one admin and you being it? |
| 11:36.46 | wols | and if it's so critical, what are you dallying on irc? you're suppoed to put the hbackup on antoher server right now to replace the compromised one (providing the backup isn't compromised too...) |
| 11:36.53 | GutterPunk | well, 2 others then :) But how can I *know* this. It's just a suspicion |
| 11:37.02 | markybob | thanks for lying to us |
| 11:37.19 | wols | markybob: he hasn't a clue about anything else. how would he know? |
| 11:37.24 | GutterPunk | markybob, no man, I just asked the manager |
| 11:37.28 | markybob | oh please |
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| 11:38.03 | markybob | i bet this is some computer science homework project. what would you do if blah blah blah |
| 11:38.03 | yangsx | wols: I can susupend Debian, but resume does not require password to use the system, that's an issue for me |
| 11:38.08 | GutterPunk | markybob, I haven't been here from day one. Actually I'm just starting. |
| 11:38.13 | Lakez | GutterPunk, if you detect something with rootkit.. isn't that enough? If you think someone used your toilet, and you look in and you see that someone didn't flush.. how do you know someone used your toilet... YOU didn't catch him so .. :) |
| 11:39.03 | wols | GutterPunk: don't get me wrong but your question show you're not fit for your job right now.. let's hope you#re a fast learner |
| 11:39.04 | GutterPunk | Lakez, it didn't say these files were compromized. It just made mention of some files I thought I needed to look into, namely dtscanner and unreal3.2 |
| 11:39.30 | wols | GutterPunk: do you know what dtscanner, unreal3.2 do? what kinds of files they are? |
| 11:39.37 | GutterPunk | I found out about this after logcheck showed me these files were added to the system yesterday. *probably* by the one other person having access to it |
| 11:39.48 | GutterPunk | wols, no, and that was my question... |
| 11:39.49 | wols | unreal sounds like the ircd. is this suppsoed to be a irc server? |
| 11:40.00 | wols | !find unreal |
| 11:40.00 | GutterPunk | no, but unreal isn't running |
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| 11:40.04 | bald3333 | hello! |
| 11:40.20 | wols | have you tried to run unreal? |
| 11:40.21 | bald3333 | I was wondering what exactly is a capability? abd what's it for? |
| 11:40.27 | wols | have you done anything at all? |
| 11:40.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unreal' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/doc/qstat/examples/{unrealTh.html|unrealTp.html|unrealTs.html|...}) in games/qstat ;; (/usr/share/doc/pike7.6-doc/html/reference/ex/predef_3A_3A/GTK/Widget/unrealize.html) in doc/pike7.6-reference. |
| 11:40.47 | Lakez | !find dtscanner |
| 11:40.53 | GutterPunk | wols, I've moved the files... |
| 11:41.12 | markybob | bald3333: i think you're looking for dictionary.com |
| 11:41.23 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:41.37 | wols | GutterPunk: where were the binaries? |
| 11:41.42 | wols | which directory? |
| 11:41.43 | Mazingaro | please which linux-image package should I install for K6 3? |
| 11:41.51 | Mazingaro | 2.6.18-4-486? |
| 11:41.51 | bald3333 | take a look |
| 11:42.00 | Mazingaro | or 686? |
| 11:42.13 | wols | not -686 |
| 11:42.19 | wols | either compile your own or 486 |
| 11:42.26 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 11:42.26 | bald3333 | kernel capabilities appear there markybob? |
| 11:42.42 | markybob | bald3333: you didnt say you wanted kernel capabilities |
| 11:42.50 | GutterPunk | wols, /dev/shm |
| 11:42.52 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 11:42.53 | markybob | bald3333: try #debian-es |
| 11:43.00 | wols | GutterPunk: you are rooted |
| 11:43.15 | bald3333 | sorry.... |
| 11:43.24 | bald3333 | why do you say that markybob? |
| 11:43.44 | markybob | bald3333: because you're having a hard time describing what you want. it'll be easier there for you |
| 11:43.45 | wols | GutterPunk: do you have a webserver on that machine? with php? |
| 11:43.58 | GutterPunk | wols, yes |
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| 11:44.32 | wols | thought so |
| 11:44.47 | wols | badl3333: http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/security/linux-privs/kernel-2.4/capfaq-0.2.txt DO you know what google is? |
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| 11:45.11 | bald3333 | I'll do it.... but If you don't mind I'd like to know too you're opinion of what are kernel capalities and what are they for |
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| 11:45.21 | bald3333 | wols I ensure you I've used it |
| 11:45.38 | wols | bald3333: I doN#t believe you. |
| 11:45.51 | wols | "kernel capabilities" gives you a ton of useful links |
| 11:45.52 | markybob | what are kernel capabilities? they're what the kernel is capable of |
| 11:45.54 | GutterPunk | wols, time to take action then :s |
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| 11:45.58 | Lakez | wols, why do your ''s come out as #'s ? |
| 11:46.22 | bald3333 | I didn't entered " let's try again then... |
| 11:46.27 | wols | cause # and ' share a key. need to press shift for it and sometimes/often I mispress shift for the wrong one |
| 11:46.37 | wols | bald3333: no " |
| 11:46.42 | Lakez | wols, what kind of keyboard do you have? |
| 11:46.48 | wols | german |
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| 11:46.51 | Lakez | oh |
| 11:47.05 | Lakez | that's why, heh.. my key is " and ' .. # and 3 .. US keyboard.. nevermind ;) |
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| 11:49.50 | lechef | does it make sense to clean /var/cache/apt sometimes? |
| 11:49.59 | lechef | my archive folder is about 1gb |
| 11:50.05 | lechef | can i delete the content? |
| 11:50.07 | tore | jea |
| 11:50.07 | markybob | lechef: yes. apt-get clean |
| 11:50.09 | tore | apt-get clean |
| 11:50.12 | tore | yes |
| 11:50.15 | lechef | ah ok :) |
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| 11:53.08 | pythonic | compiling nspluginwrapper i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s from gcc -std=c99 -m32 -shared -o libxpcom.so libxpcom-libxpcom.o libxpcom-debug.o -Wl,--soname,libxpcom.so |
| 11:53.57 | pythonic | which package will give me /lib32/libgcc_s.so? |
| 11:54.12 | wols | !tell pythonic about search |
| 11:54.23 | pythonic | wols: been there, done that :-) |
| 11:54.24 | wols | packages.debian.org is very helpful |
| 11:54.58 | wols | i only know of libgcc1 offhand |
| 11:55.08 | wols | no gcc_s |
| 11:55.26 | wols | whre did you get nspluginwrapper? |
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| 11:56.08 | pythonic | http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ iirc |
| 11:56.09 | markybob | pythonic: did you install gcc ? |
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| 11:56.33 | pythonic | gcc-4.1 is installed. |
| 11:56.58 | pythonic | this is to run adobe flash on amd64 |
| 11:57.33 | markybob | pythonic: apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:57.52 | Diilbert | Figured it out.... somehow my /etc/hostname file was messed up and had an invaild entry.... so I fixed it and my DCOP Server service started :) Thanks for any help |
| 11:58.36 | pythonic | markybob: still no dice :-( |
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| 11:59.25 | bald3333 | thanks a lot |
| 11:59.26 | bald3333 | bye |
| 12:00.49 | markybob | pythonic: do you have the file? locate libgcc_s |
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| 12:01.56 | pythonic | markybob: i have /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 for amd64, one link to that, and three links to /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 which does not exist |
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| 12:02.11 | nocti | is debian using xorg now? |
| 12:02.21 | pythonic | nocti: yes |
| 12:02.24 | spikeb | nocti: in testing and unstable, yes |
| 12:02.28 | pythonic | thanks be to god |
| 12:02.29 | wols | pythonic: use gcc 3.x |
| 12:02.34 | wols | then you get what you need |
| 12:02.43 | nocti | but not on the stable? |
| 12:02.50 | spikeb | nocti: not yet. |
| 12:02.52 | wols | nocti: only via backports |
| 12:02.54 | markybob | pythonic: fuck. why dont you just use the ndiswrapper package? |
| 12:03.02 | nocti | how stable is testing currently? |
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| 12:03.08 | markybob | nspluginwrapper, right |
| 12:03.10 | markybob | nm |
| 12:03.18 | wols | markybob: ndiswrapper is for NICs. nspluginwrapper is for flash in iceweasel... |
| 12:03.24 | tarzeau | nocti: which package? pretty good to me |
| 12:03.28 | spikeb | ice ice weasel. |
| 12:03.31 | markybob | wols: yeah :) corrected myself |
| 12:03.34 | wols | pythonic: use gcc 3.4 to compile |
| 12:03.49 | pythonic | wols: thanks, downloading 3.4 now :-) |
| 12:03.49 | wols | markybob: I'm a slow (and incorrect) typer ;) |
| 12:04.07 | markybob | 7am. i should really go to bed soon |
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| 12:04.45 | pythonic | getting xorg into stable would have required a time machine |
| 12:05.07 | tarzeau | markybob: good night |
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| 12:07.14 | nocti_ | what is the debian-testing-kde and xfce iso all about? is it live or does it just include the needed pkgs for those DEs? |
| 12:07.49 | dustybin | could anyone tell me if this link works: |
| 12:07.54 | dustybin | http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat |
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| 12:08.23 | pythonic | now i get errors for using gcc-3.4 |
| 12:08.29 | pythonic | Your compiler is not ISO. Get a real one. |
| 12:08.33 | bzed | HAHA |
| 12:08.40 | bzed | pythonic: what do you want to do? |
| 12:08.49 | pythonic | compile nspluginwrapper |
| 12:09.03 | pythonic | on debian etch amd64 |
| 12:09.08 | tarzeau | dustybin: not found |
| 12:09.18 | dustybin | aye ok its not just me then |
| 12:09.20 | markybob | pythonic: you'll probably have better luck in #debian-amd64 |
| 12:09.22 | nocti_ | dustybin: no ping |
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| 12:09.24 | dustybin | i was worried about the bit what said |
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| 12:09.34 | dustybin | "or the server has been instructed not to let you have it." |
| 12:09.38 | pythonic | markybob: didn't know it existed :-) thanks |
| 12:09.38 | bzed | pythonic: use gcc-4.0 |
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| 12:10.19 | AlteKiet | Lakez: I found it out: have got to add an extra termcap rule in ~/.screenrc. Have a look in /usr/share/doc/screen/screenrc. |
| 12:10.27 | bzed | pythonic: you need to use the same compiler as debian uses to build ice* |
| 12:10.28 | pythonic | bzed: gcc-4.0 gives me /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
| 12:10.36 | AlteKiet | ^termcap^terminfo |
| 12:10.49 | bzed | pythonic: and that would be gcc-4.1 |
| 12:10.57 | pythonic | bzed: can i use it with konqueror? |
| 12:10.59 | bzed | pythonic: err g++-4.1 |
| 12:11.02 | nocti_ | where can i find a list of distros? |
| 12:11.09 | fengor | linuxiso.org |
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| 12:11.14 | bzed | pythonic: use what with conqueror? |
| 12:11.17 | fengor | or jsut google for |
| 12:11.21 | pythonic | oh! okay... downloading g++ then :-) |
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| 12:12.02 | pythonic | bzed: use nspluginwrapper with konqueror |
| 12:12.22 | Lakez | what seriously is wrong with maxtor drives? I've had so many fail ... whereas seagate last forever |
| 12:12.39 | bzed | pythonic: you probably want to install build-essential and you probably will need iceape-dev or so |
| 12:12.43 | Lakez | AlteKiet, k |
| 12:12.54 | fengor | dunno Lakez maxtor worked fine for me so far i had mrore problems with ibm before i switched |
| 12:12.58 | pythonic | g++ can't compile nspluginwrapper |
| 12:13.05 | bzed | Lakez: seagate bought maxtor and sells the shit drives uinder the name maxtor and the good ones under seagate |
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| 12:13.23 | bzed | fengor: that's why ibm sold their drive production stuff to hitachi :P |
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| 12:13.57 | bzed | pythonic: does that nspluginwrapper thing have a configure script or something like that? |
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| 12:14.13 | pythonic | bzed: it compiles with gcc 4.0 but i can't link with non-existing /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 12:14.21 | pythonic | bzed: yes. i run ./configure first |
| 12:14.25 | pythonic | then make |
| 12:14.51 | Lakez | i want drives that are guaranteed 0 failures for 5 years. Whoever makes that drive will be richer than gates |
| 12:15.10 | bzed | pythonic: you need the lib32gcc1 package then |
| 12:15.19 | fireba11 | i'm trying to use the munin plugin hddtemp_smartctl .. on one box it doesn't seem to get any hd temperature values from smartctl, it got SCSI discs .. any ideas ? |
| 12:16.34 | abrotman | markybob: bed? |
| 12:16.45 | abrotman | markybob: i just got to work :) |
| 12:16.52 | pythonic | bzed: thanks! now i get a different error :-) |
| 12:16.55 | bzed | fireba11: not anything except reading http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/smartmontools_scsi.html |
| 12:17.02 | bzed | pythonic: which one? |
| 12:17.09 | pythonic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.36 | bzed | pythonic: libc6-dev-i386 << install that package |
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| 12:19.11 | pythonic | bzed: works like a charm... a magic charm.. thanks :-) |
| 12:19.32 | pythonic | (leaving aside the fact that magic charms don't work...) |
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| 12:20.42 | fireba11 | bzed: aw crap .. just noticed smarctl works fine, the munin-plugin doesn't |
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| 12:24.54 | pythonic | hmm... after all that i get nspluginwrapper: libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin :-/ |
| 12:25.03 | smacnay | Hi, I did a fresh etch install and all works fine. However, I installed a k7 kernel and now my machine boots into a nvidiafb console rather than vga. How can I change that back? Grub is the bootloader. |
| 12:25.50 | Zvpun | is there a way to keep every 64th line of a (large) text file and delete everything else? |
| 12:26.08 | smacnay | For some reason, the kernel is now autodetecing my nvidia card. |
| 12:26.10 | tarzeau | Zvpun: yes, look at sed |
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| 12:27.11 | Zvpun | tarzeau: can you give me more help please? |
| 12:27.23 | smacnay | Editing the /boot/config-2.6.18-4-k7 won't help...? |
| 12:27.39 | fengor | Zvpun: man sed? info sed? |
| 12:27.42 | tarzeau | Zvpun: this one is good http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt |
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| 12:28.07 | Zvpun | thank you |
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| 12:28.34 | infernix | which is more CPU demanding, SHA1 or MD5? |
| 12:28.41 | infernix | SHA1 is, right? |
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| 12:30.47 | tarzeau | infernix: running md5sum and sha1sum on a one gb file here i get: sha1sum took 2 seconds longer (md5 took 40seconds) |
| 12:31.11 | infernix | yeah, thats what i thought. thanks |
| 12:31.13 | smacnay | I guess I could pass a vga=ask param on in grub. |
| 12:32.19 | bzed | smacnay: you need to rebuild a kernel if you want to edit it's config. but you can pass params at boot time |
| 12:32.24 | bzed | smacnay: what's your problem? |
| 12:32.43 | bzed | smacnay: ah, I think vga=off will help you |
| 12:32.55 | smacnay | bzed: my initrd kernel is booting with the nvidiafb on and I can't get into X. |
| 12:33.22 | smacnay | bzed: or vga=ask.... where do I put that option in grub (I am brand new to grub). |
| 12:34.03 | bzed | smacnay: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find a line that looks like # kopt=root=/dev/something ro and add vga=off to that line, then run update-grub |
| 12:35.02 | Zvpun | tarzeau, fengor: I still need your help. I found 'first~step' which matches every step line, but how can i not delete every 65th line (the opposite of "1~65d") |
| 12:35.03 | bzed | wols: damn me, I found the solution for that forcedepth problem from last night: I still have noapic in my kernel params |
| 12:36.02 | smacnay | bzed: thanks - I will do that now. |
| 12:36.02 | wols | forceDETH! |
| 12:36.04 | wols | there is not P |
| 12:36.05 | verix | when's the next debian stable release sporting xorg? |
| 12:36.08 | wols | *no |
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| 12:36.34 | bzed | wols: ah, yeah, I like the forcedeath way, though :P |
| 12:36.36 | wols | so linux still has rpoblems on k8 noforce boards with apic? |
| 12:36.44 | pythonic | verix: when it's ready |
| 12:36.50 | bzed | verix: |
| 12:36.52 | bzed | !wwer |
| 12:36.52 | smacnay | bzed: I run update-grub and the file is back to the original. Must be some catch before I can edit the menu.lst file |
| 12:36.53 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 12:36.57 | orgeat | hi could someone help me ? |
| 12:37.05 | bzed | smacnay: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find a line that looks like # kopt=root=/dev/something ro and add vga=off to that line, then run update-grub |
| 12:37.07 | verix | ;) |
| 12:37.09 | wols | !tell orgeat about ask |
| 12:37.16 | bzed | smacnay: you ddidn;t do what I told ya |
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| 12:37.28 | bzed | !tell verix about sarge->etch |
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| 12:37.33 | orgeat | ok, I would like to install a Wifi-card Atheros on Debian |
| 12:37.42 | bzed | verix: will be released soon, you could upgrade allready if you want |
| 12:37.44 | wols | !tell orgeat about madwifi |
| 12:37.46 | vin` | bzed: no need for update-grub |
| 12:38.01 | orgeat | yes I try with madwifi |
| 12:38.03 | smacnay | bzed: yes, I edited the line and removed the # at the beginning, saved the file, and ran update-grub. |
| 12:38.06 | bzed | wols: well. abit got a bios update out a few weeks ago, I didn;t test it without noapic since then |
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| 12:38.17 | orgeat | but I'm beginner |
| 12:38.24 | bzed | vin`: if you edit the #kopt=... line, you need to run update-grub |
| 12:38.27 | wols | bzed: my k7 abit has no problem with it btw |
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| 12:39.02 | wols | orgeat: I'm a beginner in pony riding too |
| 12:39.04 | vin` | bzed: ah, yes. |
| 12:39.06 | orgeat | I have a madwifi.tar.bz2 in /usr.src |
| 12:39.31 | orgeat | pony riding ? I'm beginner too |
| 12:39.32 | smacnay | bzed: I left the '#' in place this time. |
| 12:39.41 | bzed | orgeat: apt-get install modules-assistant madwifi-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 12:39.47 | bzed | smacnay: you need to do so |
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| 12:40.05 | smacnay | bzed: are those options separated by space or comma (vga= etc.)? |
| 12:40.07 | bzed | smacnay: read the text around it, it tells you how the stuff works |
| 12:40.13 | bzed | smacnay: space |
| 12:40.20 | bzed | wols: which chipset do you ahve? |
| 12:40.40 | wols | orgeat: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian |
| 12:40.46 | orgeat | impossible to find package modules-assitant |
| 12:40.47 | wols | bzed: nf2. as I said: k7 |
| 12:40.55 | bzed | orgeat: apt-get install modules-assistant madwifi-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 12:41.06 | bzed | orgeat: copy and paste |
| 12:41.13 | wols | bzed: chances are he hasn't even configured apt |
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| 12:41.39 | orgeat | I need to change source.list ? |
| 12:41.43 | bzed | wols: I hope it's just a spelling mistake ;) |
| 12:41.58 | bzed | orgeat: no, first you need to learn to copy and paste |
| 12:42.08 | bzed | orgeat: as in: modules-assiStant |
| 12:42.09 | orgeat | that's ok |
| 12:42.17 | orgeat | apt-get install modules-assistant madwifi-source |
| 12:42.22 | bzed | yes |
| 12:42.25 | smacnay | bzed: thanks for the help, I will try this now. |
| 12:42.42 | orgeat | I make copy paste ... So no error possible |
| 12:43.06 | bzed | module-assistant |
| 12:43.08 | bzed | sorry |
| 12:43.17 | orgeat | ok |
| 12:43.17 | bzed | orgeat: apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 12:43.40 | orgeat | already newest versions |
| 12:43.50 | orgeat | (for module- and madwifi |
| 12:44.36 | Zvpun | tarzeau, fengor: I still need your help. I found 'first~step' which matches every step line, but how can i not delete every 65th line (the opposite of "1~65d") |
| 12:44.36 | bzed | orgeat: then do the rest of the line |
| 12:44.40 | Zvpun | I am trying to keep every 65th line of a large text file and delete all other lines. |
| 12:44.46 | orgeat | ok step 3, I'm in module-assistant |
| 12:45.02 | orgeat | continue |
| 12:45.06 | bzed | orgeat: m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 12:45.17 | orgeat | m-a a-i madwif actually |
| 12:45.31 | orgeat | seems to be finished |
| 12:45.40 | orgeat | Have prompt ... |
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| 12:48.06 | bzed | orgeat: modprobe ath_pci |
| 12:48.07 | orgeat | and then ? |
| 12:48.07 | bzed | orgeat: modprobe ath_pci |
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| 12:48.07 | orgeat | ok |
| 12:48.07 | fengor | Zvpun: sed '0~65p' oldfile.txt > newfile.txt |
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| 12:48.08 | bzed | orgeat: I think that's what you need. are you using etch? |
| 12:48.08 | orgeat | module ath_pci not found |
| 12:48.08 | fengor | should print every 65th line into newfile.txt but i havent teste dit |
| 12:48.09 | bzed | orgeat: depmod -a |
| 12:48.09 | orgeat | depmode -a |
| 12:48.09 | orgeat | command not found |
| 12:48.10 | bzed | copy and paste |
| 12:48.19 | Ronin | nd theres no e at teh end |
| 12:48.19 | bzed | or lean to type |
| 12:48.19 | bzed | *learn |
| 12:48.20 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:48.20 | orgeat | ok sorry |
| 12:48.20 | pythonic | is there free software flash compatible plugin? |
| 12:48.27 | orgeat | done |
| 12:48.36 | wols | pythonic: there is gnash. nothing is really compatible to adobe flash tho |
| 12:48.49 | bzed | pythonic: nothign that works well. I' using a 32bit opera with the flash plugin. works for me until the new one is out |
| 12:48.57 | bzed | orgeat: modprobe ath_pci |
| 12:49.03 | orgeat | FATAL: mODULE ATH_PCI NOT FOUND |
| 12:49.14 | pythonic | bzed: the new one? |
| 12:49.20 | bzed | pythonic: flash 9, yes |
| 12:49.28 | bzed | orgeat: O_o |
| 12:49.28 | orgeat | yes after depmode |
| 12:49.29 | pythonic | is that in amd64 flavour too? |
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| 12:49.43 | bzed | pythonic: the 32bit one is out, they're working on the 64bit version |
| 12:49.53 | pythonic | aha! i think i'll just wait then :-) |
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| 12:50.15 | bzed | orgeat: dpkg -L madwifi-modules-`uname -r` << paste that into a pastebin please |
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| 12:50.36 | smacnay | bzed: hehe, the boot choked on the line (I did see that 'vga=off' was added) and I needed to remove vga=off to get the machine to boot. I guess I need to look at all the possible options that can be added to grub. |
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| 12:51.23 | orgeat | ath_hal.ko |
| 12:51.44 | bzed | orgeat: use a pastebin. there's more than one line output |
| 12:51.46 | orgeat | ' /lib/modules/2.6.17/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko |
| 12:51.47 | bzed | !paste |
| 12:51.47 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 12:52.14 | orgeat | ' /. |
| 12:52.14 | orgeat | /lib |
| 12:52.14 | orgeat | /lib/modules |
| 12:52.14 | orgeat | /lib/modules/2.6.17 |
| 12:52.14 | orgeat | /lib/modules/2.6.17/kernel |
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| 12:52.16 | wols | orgeat: why do you run 2.6.17? |
| 12:52.25 | wols | hooray |
| 12:52.33 | wols | bzed: wanna bet he doesn't run debian? |
| 12:52.36 | bzed | how hard is it do read. |
| 12:52.43 | bzed | *to |
| 12:52.49 | bzed | cries for ubuntu |
| 12:53.05 | fengor | Zvpun: sorry sed -n '0~65p' oldfile.txt > newfile.txt |
| 12:53.09 | bzed | smacnay: hmm. weird |
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| 12:53.59 | smacnay | bzed: I changed it to 'vga=ask' and will try a boot now. |
| 12:54.05 | bzed | smacnay: or vga=normal |
| 12:54.11 | bzed | smacnay: seems that has changed a bit |
| 12:54.44 | hark | video=vesafb |
| 12:54.49 | smacnay | bzed: thank god I figured out how to hand edit the boot line - much nicer than lilo! |
| 12:54.52 | wols | vga=ask does work. I use it myself |
| 12:55.05 | bzed | pythonic: http://www.kaourantin.net/2007/01/non-beta-flash-player-9-for-linux.html good blog to read if you want to keep up with the development of the flash player. there's also a developer page on adome.com somewhere, but I don;t have a the link saved |
| 12:55.06 | smacnay | wols: thanks - I might try that later too. |
| 12:55.15 | smacnay | bbl |
| 12:55.39 | bzed | reminds me that I should compile vesafb into my kernel again |
| 12:56.24 | orgeat | still have FATAL: mODULE ATH_PCI NOT FOUND |
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| 12:57.11 | wols | orgeat: you still haven't done what you were asked to |
| 12:57.19 | wols | orgeat: why are you running kernel 2.6.17 btw? |
| 12:57.40 | orgeat | It's part of Knoppix 5.0 |
| 12:57.43 | abrotman | god .. don't you people ever sleep? |
| 12:57.45 | wols | !knoppi |
| 12:57.47 | wols | !knoppix |
| 12:57.47 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:58.06 | wols | abrotman: the secret word is "amphetamines" |
| 12:58.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: i do |
| 12:58.22 | bzed | abrotman: sleep is overrated and underpaid |
| 12:58.23 | fireba11 | abrotman: the secret word is timezone :-) |
| 12:58.24 | bzed | !sleep |
| 12:58.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 12:58.26 | abrotman | wols: are oyu up taking your medicine ? |
| 12:58.39 | tarzeau | Zvpun: did you find out already? |
| 12:58.41 | abrotman | fireba11: they're both hours ahead of me .. and they were here when i went to bed! |
| 12:58.58 | wols | no actually. need to fetch a cardbaord box in the cellar |
| 13:00.02 | Zvpun | tarzeau: no, it seems to be rather difficult |
| 13:00.31 | tarzeau | Zvpun: i'm sure you can find out, tried #sed ? |
| 13:01.06 | Zvpun | tarzeau: yes, they told me that sed is bad at counting and I should try awk :-(. and nobody answered at #awk |
| 13:02.17 | tarzeau | Zvpun: ahhh with awk it's easier |
| 13:02.18 | wols | Zvpun: why not use simply perl (perl is good at everything..) |
| 13:02.28 | tarzeau | Zvpun: you want every 65 line, and not print it |
| 13:02.47 | pythonic | ruby! ruby! ruby! |
| 13:02.53 | pythonic | (oh! and python...) |
| 13:03.02 | Zvpun | tarzeau: yes, i want every 65 line, everything else should be removed |
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| 13:03.16 | fausto | excuse me |
| 13:03.24 | wols | pythonic: ok, you had to butt in of course. but you really cried about the wrong language. shame on you |
| 13:03.28 | fausto | i have an error while configuring MOD_SUPHP |
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| 13:04.07 | fausto | i'm using paster to show you the error |
| 13:04.26 | itchi | What's ruby? |
| 13:04.45 | itchi | :-p |
| 13:04.55 | fausto | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5877 |
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| 13:05.37 | fausto | can you explain me why i have problems with dpkg configuring this package?? i have installed mod security from sources |
| 13:05.49 | fausto | but now i have problem with mod_suphp |
| 13:05.58 | fausto | why it show me this error?? |
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| 13:06.10 | itchi | fausto: "Error: mod_security.so does not have a corresponding .info file." ?? |
| 13:06.26 | fausto | yes |
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| 13:06.36 | fausto | but i'm to install mod_suphp |
| 13:06.46 | fausto | mod_security doesn't have an info file.. |
| 13:06.54 | fausto | but how to eliminate this error?? |
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| 13:08.01 | fausto | itchi, have you got any idea.. |
| 13:08.01 | fausto | ?? |
| 13:08.03 | orgeat | Nobody answering on #knoppix. :-( |
| 13:08.26 | itchi | fausto: I'm going to tell you to touch that file or to go on that mailing list, like noted |
| 13:08.40 | itchi | fausto: I dunno, i'm looking here |
| 13:08.53 | fausto | ok |
| 13:08.54 | fausto | ... |
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| 13:09.43 | fausto | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/500mod_urlcount.info this is the layout of an info file |
| 13:09.53 | fausto | what number i should use for my module.. |
| 13:10.08 | fausto | i don't know what number i should use |
| 13:10.44 | lunaphyte_ | how can i mount smb shares as non-root? |
| 13:11.08 | itchi | lunaphyte_: Put it in the fstab file |
| 13:11.18 | visik7 | lunaphyte_: fstab, or use another way without mount |
| 13:11.22 | visik7 | like smb:// |
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| 13:12.39 | giodserver | can someone in here do some artwork for my site |
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| 13:13.41 | azeem | giodserver: is it the site of some Free Software project? |
| 13:14.25 | giodserver | azeem, its what i like to call an opensource network |
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| 13:14.45 | giodserver | its a download site for open source projects |
| 13:14.57 | giodserver | and i offer free hosting to projects |
| 13:15.07 | fengor | Zvpun: was my oneliner wrong? |
| 13:15.42 | itchi | Is there a good alternative to 'updatedb' ? |
| 13:16.27 | xand | itchi: why should you need one? |
| 13:16.40 | itchi | fausto: I not find any trace of it; maybe try 'updatedb' then 'locate .info' an watch :-s |
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| 13:16.58 | fausto | ok |
| 13:17.02 | abrotman | giodserver: you might get more luck in #web |
| 13:17.03 | itchi | xand: Just asking :-) Cause updatedb is very usefull, maybe is there somethings better too :-) |
| 13:17.11 | ktwilight | find is best |
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| 13:17.26 | itchi | ktwilight: Yeah :-p |
| 13:17.34 | itchi | ktwilight: At least no 'update' needed |
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| 13:18.03 | ktwilight | yup |
| 13:18.10 | itchi | But maybe is there a such a like incremental updatdb ?? |
| 13:18.36 | itchi | Or does updatedb that? |
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| 13:19.56 | ktwilight | what do you mean incremental? |
| 13:20.06 | xand | find is slower |
| 13:20.08 | ktwilight | i think there's a updatedb.conf in /etc or something |
| 13:20.21 | ktwilight | not when you don't do find / |
| 13:20.48 | itchi | fausto: In '/usr/lib/apache/1.3/' there is not somethings like '500mod_security.info' Maybe need to you to take that sample file and put it there. I dunno. What tell the docs about it? |
| 13:20.56 | maddash | arghhhhh fecking irda! |
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| 13:24.00 | easytiger | whats the command to complete remove a package? |
| 13:24.28 | easytiger | i.e remove config etc |
| 13:25.00 | giodserver | azeem, are you there |
| 13:25.03 | cydork | easytiger: --purge remove |
| 13:25.18 | easytiger | cydork: yes, thanks |
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| 13:28.29 | azeem | giodserver: yes, why? |
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| 13:29.20 | giodserver | azeem, yes it is an open source project |
| 13:29.38 | azeem | giodserver: still, this looks like the wrong place to ask for artwork |
| 13:30.01 | giodserver | yea but where else should i ask |
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| 13:30.29 | giodserver | #web told me to get the hell out |
| 13:30.57 | fluxdude3 | quick security question: I want to disable the password of an account but I can't passwd -l as this also stops ssh key authentication and I can't chsh cos I need the shell i have |
| 13:30.57 | fluxdude3 | if I create a new user, the password field is simple ! which means it's locked. |
| 13:30.57 | fluxdude3 | in order to log in via key auth I have to do passwd -u user |
| 13:30.57 | fluxdude3 | which changes the passwd field to blank, but it seems that you cannot do a password logon with that |
| 13:30.57 | fluxdude3 | I'm hesitant to leave a passwd field blank though |
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| 13:31.10 | rambo3 | haha |
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| 13:33.29 | xand | since when did that disable ssh key auth |
| 13:34.09 | maddash | fecking finally |
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| 13:34.30 | maddash | and the worse part is that i hadn't the slightest clue of how i got it to work |
| 13:36.29 | buscon | Hi, how can I kill a TIME_WAIT connection? |
| 13:36.49 | easytiger | is it possible to use netbios tor resolve host names rather than using nfs? |
| 13:37.04 | bzed | since when do you use nfs to resolve hostnames? |
| 13:37.15 | easytiger | opps. sorry. dns |
| 13:37.21 | capiira | hmmmm this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/5878 occurs because gnome-vfs-2.0 was compiled with 4.2? |
| 13:37.27 | easytiger | also fixing an nfs server |
| 13:38.37 | easytiger | and how do i find the ip address of a netbiso client? |
| 13:38.48 | mnvl_ | coming up on a 4 twelve |
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| 13:38.52 | bzed | you don't want to use netbios for that |
| 13:38.56 | bzed | use dns |
| 13:38.57 | mnvl_ | dark side gayers on a bent nine |
| 13:39.16 | liable | wtf |
| 13:39.18 | easytiger | but even if i just want to get the ip of a netbios client? |
| 13:39.29 | liable | arp |
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| 13:40.34 | cydork | capiira: i had similar problem i did something like cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1 which fixed it :P |
| 13:40.40 | smacnay | bzed: well, I selected '0' on 'vga=ask' and I still got an nvidiafb near the end of the boot sequence. Time to roll my own kernel. |
| 13:40.40 | liable | err, netstat prolly |
| 13:40.44 | bzed | easytiger: not really a way. |
| 13:41.03 | bzed | smacnay: na, vga=vesafb for example |
| 13:41.17 | capiira | cydork but its becuase the gnome maintainer compiled it with 4.2, right ? |
| 13:41.19 | bzed | smacnay: or vga=normal I guess. |
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| 13:41.44 | cydork | capiira: yeah.. (this works on my box .. ;)) |
| 13:41.52 | bzed | capiira: I guess because vmware sucks for not sharing the source code so you can't compile it against the libraries you're using |
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| 13:42.41 | capiira | i wonder if i should report a bug |
| 13:42.54 | cydork | capiira: to vmware? |
| 13:43.10 | capiira | nah to gnome-vfs-2.0 maintainer |
| 13:43.13 | bzed | lol |
| 13:43.15 | bzed | for what? |
| 13:43.21 | smacnay | bzed: 'vga=normal' gave me the same result... I will try vesafb. I used to use that and it has no conflict with nvidia. |
| 13:43.27 | smacnay | bzed: thanks |
| 13:43.30 | bzed | np |
| 13:43.36 | cydork | capiira: errr.. it's not a debian problem STOP |
| 13:43.44 | bzed | capiira: he'll blame you for using clased source software. |
| 13:43.49 | bzed | *closed |
| 13:43.55 | capiira | heh |
| 13:44.55 | capiira | im not again closed source |
| 13:44.59 | capiira | here and there is ok |
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| 13:45.12 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 13:46.17 | perlmonkey | im having a slight problem..just reinstalled my server and now i have no internet on my lan, im unable to start shorewall, stupid thing hasnt created a .conf file in /etc/shorewall, and i'm not able to use my old one as it the format seems to have changed |
| 13:46.18 | mnvl_ | where should /lib/modules/(kernel-version)/build point to?? |
| 13:46.23 | perlmonkey | can anyone help |
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| 13:46.58 | mnvl_ | or is it done differentll in debian? |
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| 13:47.24 | perlmonkey | i got no internet |
| 13:47.34 | cydork | mnvl_: to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) if you have linux-headers installed. |
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| 13:47.55 | itchi | perlmonkey: Make use of iptables ;-) A little script you write ;-) |
| 13:48.13 | perlmonkey | itchi: I would rather use shorewall as I'm already familiar with that |
| 13:48.26 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:48.26 | dbron | perlmonkey: shorewall is good, but the config syntax seems to have changed alot recently |
| 13:48.31 | GillaGal | etch downloads are linked off the debin site? |
| 13:48.35 | GillaGal | *debian |
| 13:48.35 | perlmonkey | why doesn't shorewall create a shorewall.conf file |
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| 13:48.40 | perlmonkey | thats dumb |
| 13:48.59 | perlmonkey | dbron do you know where I can get a copy |
| 13:49.03 | itchi | perlmonkey: With iptables, you not got that trouble :-s |
| 13:49.05 | dbron | perlmonkey: have you looked at the readme documentation? |
| 13:49.10 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 13:49.15 | itchi | perlmonkey: nah, serious, make use of iptables |
| 13:49.24 | cydork | GillaGal: you want etch installer? try /topic |
| 13:49.26 | perlmonkey | i dont understand why shorewall hasnt created a .conf when it was installed |
| 13:49.38 | mnvl_ | thanx cydork |
| 13:49.42 | perlmonkey | it says in the readme it does |
| 13:49.42 | dbron | itchi: that's all shorewall is, a wrapper for iptables |
| 13:50.01 | itchi | dbron: Like you said it a wrapper. |
| 13:50.24 | dbron | perlmonkey: typically when the packagers leave a conf file out, there is a good reason and the setup is well documented |
| 13:50.27 | itchi | dbron: The big problem with such tools is that you never learn the 'thing' you need to learn :-s |
| 13:50.48 | dbron | itchi: agreed, but do you need to write the web server to use apache? |
| 13:50.50 | perlmonkey | the debian.readme for shorewall states that the .conf file is created in /etc/shorewall |
| 13:50.53 | perlmonkey | yet it is not |
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| 13:51.13 | Zb_aigr | hi |
| 13:51.17 | GillaGal | cydork: wwer? |
| 13:51.19 | itchi | dbron: What have this to do be writting a little script to manage your inbound and outbound traffic?? |
| 13:51.20 | perlmonkey | and the old file is incompatible |
| 13:51.24 | cydork | GillaGal: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:51.29 | mnvl_ | how about if the headers are just in /usr/r/include/linux ? (with no version number)? |
| 13:51.30 | GillaGal | thanks |
| 13:51.33 | itchi | dbron: I guess you not know about iptables |
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| 13:51.40 | easytiger | how can i check if anything was damaged after the power died? nothing's working |
| 13:51.54 | dbron | itchi: I am quite familiar with iptables, and I also use shorewall |
| 13:52.31 | perlmonkey | dbron: can you confirm the first line in conf which is for startup |
| 13:52.42 | perlmonkey | something like startup=1 |
| 13:52.47 | dbron | perlmonkey: is there a shorewall.conf in the examples directory in usr/share/doc/shorewall? |
| 13:52.53 | perlmonkey | no :-/ |
| 13:52.55 | perlmonkey | dumb eh |
| 13:53.17 | perlmonkey | how the hell are you supposed to install it without a .conf file or any reference to one |
| 13:53.40 | dbron | perlmonkey: are you using stable? |
| 13:53.46 | perlmonkey | etch |
| 13:53.46 | bzed | easytiger: that's a question like: my cat ate the fish, is the fish still alive? |
| 13:54.16 | easytiger | bzed: the power died now nfs/networking are acting insane |
| 13:54.28 | easytiger | clearly some file got borked |
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| 13:54.33 | cydork | easytiger: which fs? |
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| 13:54.41 | bzed | easytiger: if you explain what does not work, and what you're doing and where the power died... it could help to find an answer |
| 13:54.43 | easytiger | cydork: the / is ext3 |
| 13:55.00 | itchi | easytiger: Force a fsck?? |
| 13:55.03 | bzed | easytiger: obviously something is still on power |
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| 13:55.23 | bzed | easytiger: what happened exactly? whcih machines were involved and where the hell is the problem? |
| 13:56.12 | wols | perlmonkey: why do you need/want shorewall? |
| 13:56.17 | easytiger | its a file server, the pwoer died to the house. now i can ssh into it fine. but i can't ping anything outside the house. nfs wont take connections |
| 13:56.17 | dbron | perlmonkey: I can't get to my config right now, I don't recall the shorewall.conf setup, there are many config files (masq,rules,interfaces...), |
| 13:56.40 | easytiger | despite the fact its connected in the exact same way as my desktop which works fine |
| 13:56.42 | perlmonkey | wols: to get internet access and restore my firewall rules |
| 13:56.54 | easytiger | is it ok to fsck on a mounted / fs? |
| 13:56.58 | bzed | no |
| 13:56.59 | cydork | perlmonkey: if you just want nat check ipmasq. or just google for mini nat howto |
| 13:57.01 | wols | no, why must it be exactly shorewall? |
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| 13:57.04 | cydork | easytiger: no. |
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| 13:57.07 | perlmonkey | all i need to know is the startup line from .conf |
| 13:57.16 | wols | easytiger: no. if you do it on a read only fs you _might_ get away with it |
| 13:57.16 | bzed | easytiger: and you don't need to fsck it if it booted fine |
| 13:57.20 | itchi | easytiger: no |
| 13:57.21 | perlmonkey | wols: because thats what i used previously |
| 13:57.25 | bzed | easytiger: i still don't understand your problem |
| 13:57.34 | itchi | ggrr lag |
| 13:57.51 | perlmonkey | cydork: I have no internet access |
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| 13:57.58 | easytiger | its connected to the internal network fine: but it cant access anything from the net. but other boxes with the exact same config are fine |
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| 13:58.10 | wireddd | perlmonkey: are you sure about that... |
| 13:58.13 | wols | perlmonkey: that is demonstrably a lie. you are here |
| 13:58.39 | perlmonkey | *sigh* I have limited access, not beyond my server and my server is not running a desktop |
| 13:58.40 | wols | easytiger: our defaultroute is fucked up. or possibly the DNS in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:58.55 | easytiger | wols: nope tried all that |
| 13:58.56 | wols | perlmonkey: you are HERE: this is the interwebs! |
| 13:58.57 | wireddd | perlmonkey: use x11 forwarding |
| 13:59.07 | cydork | perlmonkey: you want to share internet between clients right? you want nat then. and it's not difficult to setup. read what i said earlier. |
| 13:59.15 | perlmonkey | I am using bitchx in a shell, i have no way to access the web |
| 13:59.20 | perlmonkey | for christ sake |
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| 13:59.27 | wireddd | lynx |
| 13:59.28 | wols | perlmonkey: install ipmasq and you have nat. then look for a shorewall conf if you need |
| 13:59.29 | dbron | cydork: I think the issue is setting up nat securely |
| 13:59.31 | easytiger | perlmonkey: w3m |
| 13:59.36 | wireddd | perlmonkey: lynx |
| 13:59.36 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:59.43 | itchi | perlmonkey: I think you need the 'masqd' package |
| 13:59.45 | wols | perlmonkey: there are about a dozen browsers for console |
| 13:59.55 | itchi | s/need/need\/want/ |
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| 14:00.03 | wols | itchi: you think wrong |
| 14:00.05 | omg0 | what's the best browser for webcast |
| 14:00.07 | cydork | dbron: na he never mentioned security. |
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| 14:00.18 | dbron | perlmonkey: just have your users set up sshtunnels to the server and use lynx, that should be easy enough |
| 14:00.23 | wols | dbron: ipmasq is secure |
| 14:00.43 | itchi | wols: ow, shit, it's the ipmasq i wanted to say :-s |
| 14:00.48 | itchi | perlmonkey: sorry too |
| 14:00.52 | perlmonkey | i just want my old setup restored, dont want to have to spend ages learning new stuff |
| 14:00.56 | omg0 | I want to watch my financial tv but I am not able to watch cboe or forex tv on epiphany |
| 14:01.06 | wols | perlmonkey: apt-get install ipmasq. done. ther is nothing to "learn" |
| 14:01.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 14:01.27 | wols | and no one said you had to use it forever. but it gets you on the web for now where you can look for your shorewall.config stuff if you want |
| 14:01.31 | itchi | It just work(tm) :-p |
| 14:01.39 | wols | since you're obviosuly unable to use a console |
| 14:01.41 | dbron | [SECURITY] [DSA-389-1] New ipmasq packages fix insecure packet filtering rules, that is 2003, but arguably a reason to use a firewall as well |
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| 14:02.10 | wols | dbron: that's BS. any firewall package you set up yourself has a much higher chance of bugs like that |
| 14:02.19 | wols | and all of them use iptables. no difference between them |
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| 14:03.08 | mnvl_ | hmm. can anyone explain why according to 'uname -r' i have kernel version 2.6.18-3-686, but only linux-headers version 2.6.18-4-686 are available no (revision 4 not 3) ?? |
| 14:03.16 | dbron | wols: shorewall uses iptables, and has a good reputation (when configured properly) - there is nothing wrong with the package imo |
| 14:03.25 | wols | dbron: DSA-849-1 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2005/Oct/0209.html |
| 14:03.35 | wols | that is from 2005. so is shorewall less secure than ipmasq? |
| 14:03.36 | spheard | anyone know the easy way to upgrade gcc? |
| 14:03.38 | cydork | mnvl_: coz you didn't upgrade to 2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 14:03.42 | perlmonkey | seems reasonable |
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| 14:03.52 | Wyzard | mnvl_: because you haven't updated your kernel in a few weeks? |
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| 14:04.18 | wols | mnvl_: updated your packages lately? |
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| 14:04.41 | perlmonkey | phew at last |
| 14:04.47 | easytiger | SIOCADDRT: File exists when i try to set the gateway? |
| 14:04.54 | perlmonkey | shell was killing my eyes |
| 14:05.14 | mnvl_ | i did 'apt-get update' this morning (and rebooted since then) |
| 14:05.29 | Wyzard | mnvl_: That doesn't upgrade packages |
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| 14:05.40 | Wyzard | mnvl_: That just downloads the current lists of what packages are available |
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| 14:06.24 | mnvl_ | oh ok Wyzard |
| 14:06.26 | Wyzard | Use "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" |
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| 14:06.53 | fausto | can someone give me an help with suphp |
| 14:07.00 | jelly | mnvl_: or at least "install linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 14:07.01 | fausto | i have installed it successfully |
| 14:07.07 | fausto | now it doesn't work |
| 14:07.18 | fausto | i writed this directives to config |
| 14:07.24 | mnvl_ | doing 'apt-get upgrade' now, sorry about that |
| 14:07.25 | fausto | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.25 | fausto | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.25 | fausto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.32 | wols | Does a Samba client need a listening port? |
| 14:10.47 | wols | or can I connect to a samba server from a client behind a NAT? |
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| 14:11.09 | petemc | wols: im pretty sure you can, yes |
| 14:11.16 | torrrr | anyone knows xmodmap? |
| 14:11.33 | wols | torrrr: by now you should have learned how to ask... |
| 14:11.39 | wols | petemc: senks |
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| 14:12.21 | torrrr | I tried to map Control_L to 67 :(sorry wols): and it shows correct in xev, but it doesn't function like ctrl |
| 14:12.56 | wireddd | wols I don't think you can connect to a samba share from behind a nat |
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| 14:13.17 | xerophyte | is there any guide or howto which explain how to secure a shell access + ircd server ? |
| 14:13.20 | dbron | wols: neither ipmasq or shorewall is bulletproof, I concede that ipmasq would be a reasonable alternative in this situation. In slink and woody, the package contained a warning specifically saying the package wasn't secure. I haven't used it since then. |
| 14:13.28 | easytiger | how can i force the network to get a new ip address from the server |
| 14:13.36 | easytiger | *network client |
| 14:14.15 | omg0 | seems I have to replace epiphany with mozilla or firefox |
| 14:14.24 | torrrr | I did 'clear Control \n keycode 67 = Control_L |
| 14:14.37 | Wyzard | omg0: Why's that? |
| 14:16.28 | torrrr | I got it |
| 14:16.28 | wireddd | easytiger: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 14:16.28 | torrrr | added 'add Control = Control_L in the end |
| 14:16.32 | wireddd | easytiger: on the client |
| 14:16.34 | torrrr | 10x for listening :) |
| 14:17.02 | wols | easytiger: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:17.11 | fausto | excuse me can someone tell me where i can look for an howto about suphp |
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| 14:17.59 | easytiger | wols: its screwed. i dont think its getting new information. when renewing the lease i get a SIOCADDRT: File exists error |
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| 14:20.13 | easytiger | which i have no idea what refers to |
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| 14:21.22 | omg0 | wyzard: I can't seem to play the webcast from the financial sites, webex stuff. Example: http://www.cboe.com/tradtool/webcast.aspx |
| 14:21.54 | Wyzard | omg0: And Firefox can? |
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| 14:26.56 | Zaggynl | Hi, I'm running Debian Etch, I have this diskspace problem, df -h shows that my root has no free diskspace, I tried deleting my apt cache, but it won't help :( |
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| 14:28.13 | wols | that could be cause for files owned by root a certain percentage for space is reserved |
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| 14:28.34 | wols | another place you can save diskspace is by deleting some /var/log logfiles that have been gzipped laready |
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| 14:28.48 | Zaggynl | okay thanks wols |
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| 14:29.26 | Zaggynl | ..odd, I deleted every .gz file, and df -h still shows 0 bytes free |
| 14:29.57 | wols | paste your full outout of df |
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| 14:30.06 | wols | but not here |
| 14:30.07 | wols | !paster |
| 14:30.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:30.21 | Zaggynl | I can't I'm afraid, I'm chatting from another pc |
| 14:30.33 | Zaggynl | and I can't start X on the linux one |
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| 14:31.06 | Harzilein | you don't need x to paste stuff |
| 14:31.13 | wols | there are browsers for console... |
| 14:31.15 | Harzilein | lynx http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 14:31.20 | petemc | !pastewithoutx |
| 14:31.20 | dpkg | hmm... pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 14:31.21 | Harzilein | and then go into the textarea |
| 14:31.23 | nn-main | what is the usb serial port called |
| 14:31.25 | Harzilein | and press ^X^e |
| 14:31.42 | Harzilein | then you can load the file into the editor |
| 14:31.49 | nn-main | the device |
| 14:31.50 | Zaggynl | awesome :D |
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| 14:32.08 | Zaggynl | errr, I don't have lynx installed |
| 14:32.15 | Zaggynl | have links though |
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| 14:33.13 | Zaggynl | Meh, it's just 5 lines of code, you mind if I type those over in here? |
| 14:33.21 | mindframe | how would i tell xfce to run a command on startup? |
| 14:33.40 | aeronadix | how do you configure mozilla to always use kaffeine external to play all video? THats how I used to have it setup, but it doesn't work now |
| 14:33.41 | wols | yes we do |
| 14:33.49 | Zaggynl | ah okay |
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| 14:33.57 | aeronadix | What the heck, xfce always crashs |
| 14:34.00 | Zaggynl | Any specifics I could help you with? |
| 14:34.00 | wols | well, mostly debhelper does and kicks you |
| 14:34.19 | Zaggynl | *specific info I could give |
| 14:34.22 | wols | if it's 5 lines you have more than a single / partition. what are the mountpoints? |
| 14:34.45 | Zaggynl | below the 'Mounted on' column? |
| 14:34.49 | omg0 | wyzard: not sure if firefox can but it is a more recognized browser. Mozilla was recognized by AMTD for their webex program but they didn't recognize the OS |
| 14:34.50 | wols | yes |
| 14:35.03 | aeronadix | My mozilla opens vids inside, but I want to set it up for external kaffeine |
| 14:35.27 | aeronadix | My system is wierd these days, I think I am being hacked. I apt-get remove mozilla-mplayer and vlc and still they are working |
| 14:35.37 | Zaggynl | wols: /, /lib/init/rw, /dev, /dev/shm, /home |
| 14:35.39 | aeronadix | same thing happenned with Gnome, I removed it but it was still working |
| 14:35.49 | fausto | excuse me |
| 14:35.55 | fausto | how to configure suphp |
| 14:36.18 | fausto | i'm very tired a can't get it working and i didn't found any howto on google |
| 14:36.23 | fausto | can someone help me |
| 14:36.24 | fausto | ?? |
| 14:36.53 | wols | Zaggynl: then it shouldn't matter. can root still make files? |
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| 14:37.09 | Zaggynl | wols, yes |
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| 14:37.20 | nn-main | I need to get a usb device to show up as ttyUSB0 how do i do that |
| 14:38.13 | fengor | fausto: http://www.suphp.org/Documentation.en.html |
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| 14:40.34 | kisielk_jp | hey guys, I'm trying to get sshd to listen on port 443 as well as 22 |
| 14:40.45 | kisielk_jp | I put a "port 443" directive in to my sshd_config file and restarted sshd |
| 14:40.52 | kisielk_jp | but it doesn't seem to be accepting the connections |
| 14:40.53 | fengor | if you wnat more specific help please tell us what isnt working exactly? what is the error message? what did you try? and what effects did it have? |
| 14:41.32 | kisielk_jp | tcpdump shows packets coming through.. |
| 14:41.32 | Zaggynl | wols, sorry to bother, but what should I do now? root can make files, but 'sudo df -h' also shows no space free on / |
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| 14:42.23 | GillaGal | I just installed Etch... during the install it asked something about a install mirror, was that for packages? (My /etc/apt/source.list only has CD-rom and security) |
| 14:42.38 | petemc | kisielk_jp: i have 2 Port lines in sshd_config, one below the other, works fine |
| 14:42.46 | wols | GillaGal: yes |
| 14:42.58 | kisielk_jp | petemc, yes so do I |
| 14:43.02 | torrrr | anyone knwos how to make evolution spelling available, it looks like it doesn't have a dictionary. which dictionary does it need |
| 14:43.11 | wols | Zaggynl: all you can do is delete more or buy a bigger disk |
| 14:43.20 | petemc | kisielk_jp: can you telnet to port 443 and get a banner? |
| 14:43.21 | GillaGal | wols darn... so I should have answered yes so I could use aptitude to get packages off the net? |
| 14:43.22 | Zaggynl | just that? okay.. |
| 14:43.54 | fengor | just add them now GillaGal |
| 14:44.01 | wols | GillaGal: you can edit the file afterawards without any problem. most people installing debian doN#t install anything additional except base system when installing |
| 14:44.01 | kisielk_jp | petemc, hm no I get nothing on telnet |
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| 14:44.22 | kisielk_jp | petemc, but tcpdump is showing packets.. |
| 14:44.26 | GillaGal | fengor edit the apt source list you mean? |
| 14:44.37 | wols | !tell GillaGal about apt-spy |
| 14:44.39 | fengor | yes and then do an apt-get update |
| 14:44.44 | petemc | kisielk_jp: netstat -puant |grep ssh , on the host |
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| 14:44.52 | fengor | !tell fengor about abt-spy |
| 14:45.03 | fengor | !tell fengor about apt-spy |
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| 14:45.09 | wols | !tell fengor about msg the bot |
| 14:45.16 | tweako | hey guys..any of you run a tech blog or site?? |
| 14:45.16 | rahul | ow |
| 14:45.21 | rahul | myhead hurts |
| 14:45.26 | kisielk_jp | petemc, yeah it's there |
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| 14:45.34 | rahul | yay! |
| 14:45.37 | wols | !anyone use a tech blog |
| 14:45.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses a tech blog, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:45.47 | Zaggynl | no matter what I delete, diskspace free stays at 0 |
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| 14:45.54 | petemc | kisielk_jp: you could use tcptraceroute to check port 443 along each hop |
| 14:45.59 | dareth | Morning folks. |
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| 14:46.07 | GillaGal | thanks. I'd rather add them by hand. can somebody using etch msg me their source list please? |
| 14:46.10 | fengor | Zaggynl: then you delete either not enough or on the wrong partition |
| 14:46.12 | ofer0 | !alot |
| 14:46.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 14:46.27 | kisielk_jp | petemc, well the packets are certainly getting *to* the machine, maybe my ISP is blocking the return |
| 14:46.34 | Zaggynl | well, '/var/log' is on '/' right? |
| 14:46.36 | rahul | al ot. |
| 14:46.38 | Zaggynl | I delete log crap |
| 14:46.39 | dareth | I have been getting an intermitten error with Squid lately, accessing a PHP page. I get a "Page cannot be displayed" error, you refresh, page loads properly. |
| 14:46.41 | Zaggynl | didn't matter |
| 14:46.42 | petemc | kisielk_jp: that seems unlikely |
| 14:46.43 | wols | GillaGal: that's bassackwards |
| 14:46.53 | tweako | my site launched today - Tweako.com - its a great social network and user generated site based on computing and technology information..i think all of you guys would love it..check it out |
| 14:46.54 | kisielk_jp | petemc, why's that? |
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| 14:46.56 | simonrvn | Zaggynl: restart daemons |
| 14:46.57 | wols | if you want to hand edit you don#t want someone elses luist |
| 14:47.02 | kisielk_jp | petemc, they block connections on port 80 already.. |
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| 14:47.07 | tweako | also if any of you run a tech blog or site..you can submit your links and content to it..etc |
| 14:47.09 | Zaggynl | ill try a reboot |
| 14:47.11 | wols | besides: people live in a different country than you |
| 14:47.13 | simonrvn | no |
| 14:47.29 | wols | tweako: stop spamming and fuck off |
| 14:47.43 | Zaggynl | simonrvn, why not a reboot? |
| 14:47.50 | simonrvn | why reboot? |
| 14:47.52 | wols | cause you don't run windows here... |
| 14:47.53 | SpComb | tweako: thanks, I'll make sure not to visit it |
| 14:48.00 | wols | a reboot rarely if ever helps with anything |
| 14:48.03 | fengor | Zaggynl: http://wiki.debian.org/ShellTricks |
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| 14:48.08 | Zaggynl | I have no clue what services to restart, so why not reboot and restart services? |
| 14:48.15 | fengor | search for my file system is full there |
| 14:48.16 | wols | and it hopefully never automagically deletes stuff on your filesyste |
| 14:48.20 | simonrvn | init 1, then back to init 2 |
| 14:48.26 | tweako | relax guys..i was trying to help you out..its a good opportunity for any of you who operate a site |
| 14:48.29 | tweako | jesus |
| 14:48.37 | wols | tweako: fuck off |
| 14:48.44 | SpComb | thing is, if everyone advertises every site of their everywhere, madness would ensue |
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| 14:49.04 | SpComb | as such, a zero-tolerance policy... |
| 14:49.29 | simonrvn | tweako: dude, you come in here talking about tech blogs, and whatever doing to it, and you expect us to grok what you're doing without any background? |
| 14:49.30 | SpComb | although that was a bit mean of me :( |
| 14:49.47 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 14:50.37 | SpComb | nor does it help that he specifically joined this channel to mention it |
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| 14:50.51 | simonrvn | ffs, yeh really |
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| 14:50.59 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 14:50.59 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 14:51.03 | Zaggynl | I restarted the services, something about corrupted mail file came along, x won't let me login |
| 14:51.22 | simonrvn | yeh, no space on / |
| 14:51.23 | Zaggynl | ..wth? |
| 14:51.24 | itchi | Zaggynl: Cause it's 'full' maybe |
| 14:51.27 | giodserver | tweakos site is a little well used to be "new" |
| 14:51.43 | wols | giodserver: google doesn't know about it |
| 14:51.52 | MLimburg`AFKish | and not enough linux news on the front page for my liking ;) |
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| 14:52.07 | giodserver | yea but its got a bunch of articles |
| 14:52.07 | simonrvn | x won't let you login if you have no space on certain partitions |
| 14:52.09 | Zaggynl | I tried a fsck, no errors or whatever |
| 14:52.23 | Zaggynl | *clueless* |
| 14:52.43 | itchi | Zaggynl: First free up some space on the /, and then see of he still complain |
| 14:52.56 | Zaggynl | I deleted some logfiles and log.gz's |
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| 14:53.14 | wols | Zaggynl: use du to check where lots of space is used |
| 14:53.20 | fausto | how can i know what i had installed in the last 12 hours whith apt |
| 14:53.21 | simonrvn | rahul: i'm already full, thanks though |
| 14:53.21 | fausto | ?? |
| 14:53.37 | simonrvn | /var/log/dpkg.log if etch or sid |
| 14:53.42 | rahul | ouch |
| 14:53.47 | rahul | ouch, I'm hurt |
| 14:53.53 | rahul | women ain't nothin but trouble |
| 14:54.06 | itchi | Zaggynl: Maybe join #flood and do /exec ls | xargs du -skh |
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| 14:54.22 | Zaggynl | in irssi? |
| 14:54.24 | fengor | Zaggynl: find / -size +2000k -ls finds all files ofer 2000kb in your system |
| 14:54.26 | itchi | Zaggynl: Yes |
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| 14:55.14 | itchi | Zaggynl: Pay attention with the commands you execute, cause you can floooooood much with it, but for simple things it will be fine. Like your' without x too |
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| 14:55.50 | simonrvn | erm, you'll need -o for /exec |
| 14:55.52 | perlmonkey | haggis sucks |
| 14:55.57 | itchi | Zaggynl: Maybe will it give some hits to other people to see where it's filled up and give then more appropriated advices |
| 14:56.01 | simonrvn | to output public |
| 14:56.04 | rahul | HAGGIS |
| 14:56.09 | rahul | oh, that's gonna be friday |
| 14:56.19 | perlmonkey | rahul: whats up |
| 14:56.19 | rahul | we'll be HAGGISing like maniacs |
| 14:56.30 | kisielk_jp | petemc, guess I was right. Checked with the ISP back in Canada, they block connections from being established inbound on 443 :/ |
| 14:56.42 | Zaggynl | okay, I'm in #flood with irssi |
| 14:57.11 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 14:57.23 | perlmonkey | rahul: the wife naggin again? |
| 14:57.25 | rahul | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! |
| 14:57.34 | rahul | she's not my wife |
| 14:57.38 | rahul | she just gives me drugs |
| 14:57.54 | rahul | I ditched her around 4:30 |
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| 14:58.40 | mnvl_ | how can i force the upgrade of a package which has been held back? 'apt-get -f --ignore-hold upgrade' doesn't work |
| 14:58.44 | itchi | I dunno much about that /exec, i tried in a #fake001 one :-p |
| 14:58.45 | rahul | *BURP* |
| 14:58.46 | wols | perlmonkey: found the shorewall conf? |
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| 14:59.00 | rahul | mnvl_: use aptitude's UI |
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| 14:59.06 | wols | mnvl_: use dist-upgrade? |
| 14:59.13 | rahul | mnvl_: it'll show you exactly what deps the package has |
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| 14:59.30 | fireba11 | mnvl_: apt-get install <package-hold-back> will work |
| 14:59.47 | perlmonkey | wols: yah, it wasnt being created, prolly permission issue.. i purged and removed /etc/shorewall and then it appeared on next install. configuring took a bit of work as the old format files are no longer valid so had to start over |
| 14:59.59 | l0xar | I am having an issue where when i do a 'ps -ef' or 'top' my ssh shell locks up. is there another command that can be used to see what is locking up the box? |
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| 15:02.02 | perlmonkey | wols: i'm having to reinstall my server from scratch AND the raid now, since this morning it would not boot, was giving error 22 on grub |
| 15:02.09 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 15:02.31 | Harzilein | if i boot with vga=791 to enable framebuffer for the bootsplash, can i disable it somehow after startup has finished? |
| 15:02.39 | perlmonkey | im getting same error too on laptop, they say bad luck comes in 3's eh |
| 15:03.23 | perlmonkey | at least things are being done properly this time |
| 15:03.34 | wols | perlmonkey: you overreacted |
| 15:03.38 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:04.00 | wols | just cause a bootloader isn't working, doesn#t mean you have to reinstall the OS... |
| 15:04.13 | perlmonkey | wols: but my root fs partition is only 1.6GB and i decided to dedicate a whole disk to it and keep it free of the raid disks |
| 15:04.22 | perlmonkey | so i figured what the hell, just start from fresh |
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| 15:05.20 | perlmonkey | so my setup now is... 1x18.2GB for sys, 4x18.2GB raid0, 1x72GB backup disk |
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| 15:06.57 | ErNcii | so is debian a new version of windows? |
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| 15:07.06 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 15:07.07 | cydork | ErNcii: yes. |
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| 15:07.33 | ErNcii | where do i buy it from? |
| 15:08.01 | ErNcii | HELLO?! |
| 15:08.03 | ErNcii | HELLLO!?!?!?!? WTF |
| 15:08.04 | cydork | are you freekin serious? want my paypal? |
| 15:08.05 | wols | ErNcii: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 15:08.11 | cydork | wols: damn you!!! |
| 15:08.15 | ErNcii | aha |
| 15:08.28 | ErNcii | wols: will that link work on linux windows? |
| 15:08.29 | wols | ErNcii: but if you have a CD burner you don't need to buy it |
| 15:08.41 | ErNcii | what if i have a dvd burner? |
| 15:08.54 | perlmonkey | if you dont have a dvd burner, we can sell you one with debian windows |
| 15:08.58 | wols | you can also copy the debian CDs as often as you you want and give (or even sell) to your friends and others |
| 15:09.00 | BlueParrot | hmmm, why is the vertical open use logo preferred ? |
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| 15:09.26 | ErNcii | what if i have a dvd burner but its broken? |
| 15:09.27 | *** part/#debian incubus- (n=Cuz@222.127.54.189) |
| 15:09.27 | BlueParrot | or is it just that the vertical / horizontal are preferred to the swirl only ? |
| 15:09.38 | wols | ErNcii: download it from here http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 15:09.51 | ErNcii | what if i dont have the net ? |
| 15:09.55 | wols | ErNcii: and btw, you're overdoing it. it's a fine line, haven't you been told in troll school |
| 15:09.59 | wols | cydork: of course |
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| 15:10.47 | wols | ErNcii: then you need to buy a CD set |
| 15:10.57 | ErNcii | what if i have no money ? |
| 15:10.59 | cydork | wols: stop answering.. |
| 15:11.22 | ErNcii | so did bill gates make debian ? |
| 15:11.30 | Ronin | ErNcii: go troll elsewhere |
| 15:11.32 | wols | !ops ErNcii is trolling |
| 15:11.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: ErNcii is trolling |
| 15:11.35 | ErNcii | i like bill gates |
| 15:11.39 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:11.48 | wols | we like billg too. he's a funny guy |
| 15:11.52 | LoRez | ErNcii: knock it off |
| 15:11.55 | ErNcii | he's a legend |
| 15:11.55 | wols | we laugh over his doings all the time |
| 15:12.00 | RichiH | ErNcii: do you think there is a possibility for you to stop? |
| 15:12.09 | ErNcii | laugh, you should admire! |
| 15:12.42 | RichiH | ErNcii: is that a yes or a no? ;) |
| 15:12.51 | ErNcii | hugh |
| 15:12.52 | cydork | RichiH: i take that as no :P |
| 15:12.54 | ErNcii | i dont play WoW |
| 15:12.56 | ErNcii | how can I be a troll? |
| 15:13.03 | ErNcii | WTF I came here to ask how to install |
| 15:13.06 | ErNcii | microsoft debian windows |
| 15:13.06 | wols | +b him already |
| 15:13.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=apr5@*.ukc.ac.uk] by RichiH |
| 15:13.07 | *** kick/#debian [ErNcii!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] by RichiH (for the horde) |
| 15:13.08 | perlmonkey | ErNcii: stop being a dork |
| 15:13.11 | AlteKiet | I found out that when I press and hold alt in a terminal and type a number N, the non-numeric character that is typed next, is repeated N times... Now what is that useful for?? |
| 15:13.14 | wols | thank you |
| 15:13.24 | perlmonkey | too lame |
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| 15:14.15 | torrrr | how do I read ctrl with bash? |
| 15:14.33 | torrrr | I need to check which keycode the ctrl do |
| 15:14.47 | RichiH | did noone see my kick message? |
| 15:14.50 | RichiH | pft |
| 15:15.02 | cydork | !beer RichiH |
| 15:15.03 | torrrr | (in a script to determine which type of keybard is used) |
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| 15:16.43 | shingouz | hints appreciated: i need xfce_3.8.18-2.1-i386.deb and xfce-common_3.8.18-2.1_i386.deb. snapshot only has 3.8.16 and i would not like to do a full compile on the damn source off sourceforge |
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| 15:17.35 | wols | RichiH: shouldn't you have kicked him for the Horde's enemies (Alliance?). He's a troll. The horde won't kick their own trlls. will it? |
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| 15:18.19 | kingsley | What's the difference between the packages named gspca-modules-2.6-k7 and gspca-modules-2.6-vserver-k7? |
| 15:18.26 | RichiH | wols: no idea, really |
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| 15:18.40 | RichiH | wols: fth is the only wowism i know, though :/ |
| 15:19.07 | perlmonkey | sheesh why do they always have to go changing everything |
| 15:19.51 | wols | !vserver |
| 15:19.51 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. |
| 15:20.05 | terraces | someone know how to reconfigure innodb for mysql with debian ? |
| 15:20.18 | kingsley | wols: Thank you. |
| 15:20.52 | perlmonkey | how do I setup a rule for whois in shorewall firewall? |
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| 15:22.57 | perlmonkey | connect: Connection refused |
| 15:24.28 | perlmonkey | does your head in |
| 15:25.56 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to rotate a 3d graph in gnuplot? |
| 15:26.08 | SerajewelKS | i've tried googling and i can't seem to come up with anything useful for the version in etch |
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| 15:31.04 | perlmonkey | $FW net ACCEPT # Safe rule for allowing open net access from local net? |
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| 15:32.16 | suppaman | hello |
| 15:32.26 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 15:32.31 | perlmonkey | anyone do firewalls |
| 15:32.53 | SerajewelKS | perlmonkey: ask your real question please |
| 15:32.55 | perlmonkey | 2 policys i need to check |
| 15:33.59 | perlmonkey | $FW net REJECT info |
| 15:33.59 | perlmonkey | $FW loc/net/all ACCEPT <-- this is safe policy in firewall? |
| 15:34.20 | cydork | SerajewelKS: you mean interactively? |
| 15:34.42 | suppaman | I'm having problem with apt-get update |
| 15:34.43 | suppaman | http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9513/picture2gf1.png |
| 15:34.50 | perlmonkey | safe in so far as, it wont allow any inward connections? |
| 15:35.52 | perlmonkey | need to confirm my policy for firewall |
| 15:35.58 | wols | !tell suppaman about dynamic mmap |
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| 15:36.34 | bzed | !tell suppaman about pastebin |
| 15:37.11 | perlmonkey | is it ok to do $FW ACCEPT for "net" & "all" in a firewall? |
| 15:37.25 | itchi | wols: What's that problem? |
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| 15:37.36 | wols | itchi: what problem? |
| 15:37.46 | itchi | wols: That dynamic mmap ? |
| 15:37.47 | perlmonkey | itchi: coucou, ca va |
| 15:37.52 | wols | ask dpkg |
| 15:37.54 | itchi | perlmonkey: Bien sure, et toi? |
| 15:38.03 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.04 | itchi | wols: Yeah, i have read it ;-) |
| 15:38.09 | bzed | itchi: did you never run into that? |
| 15:38.23 | perlmonkey | itchi: je ne pas bien |
| 15:38.24 | wols | (older) version of apt getting a mem allocation error since package files are too big |
| 15:38.38 | wols | perlmonkey: where is the verb? |
| 15:38.43 | itchi | bzed: Not yet :-) |
| 15:38.52 | itchi | Good boxes here ;-p |
| 15:39.01 | wols | has nothing to do with "boxes" |
| 15:39.02 | perlmonkey | j'ai pas bien |
| 15:39.16 | itchi | Nah, it's just to increase the apt-cache file stuff? Which cache? |
| 15:39.27 | wols | not cache. memory |
| 15:39.49 | itchi | wols: nah, still not have got that problem here |
| 15:39.58 | itchi | wait, but i use aptitude too |
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| 15:40.16 | rahul | is it strange for your ear canal to itch? |
| 15:40.18 | itchi | My old P1 with 32MB ram not complain too |
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| 15:40.30 | perlmonkey | rahul: no |
| 15:40.30 | itchi | rahul: ug, what? |
| 15:40.35 | rahul | heh |
| 15:40.37 | suppaman | bzed: I cannot use pastebin |
| 15:40.46 | rahul | I had to itch it with a q-tip :P |
| 15:40.53 | rahul | so soothing... |
| 15:40.57 | suppaman | bzed: what's wrong with imageshack ? |
| 15:40.58 | perlmonkey | rahul: thats the sign of an infection of the inner ear canal |
| 15:40.59 | wols | suppaman: that is wrong |
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| 15:41.04 | rahul | perlmonkey: hrm |
| 15:41.13 | rahul | perlmonkey: it's not itching any more |
| 15:41.13 | sussudio | rahul: you're having a wallweasel problem? |
| 15:41.15 | wols | suppaman: if you can use imageshack then use can use a pastebin |
| 15:41.16 | itchi | suppaman: You overload the thing, for to less. Text is fine |
| 15:41.23 | rahul | %badger sussudio |
| 15:41.23 | badgers | ENOUGH |
| 15:41.26 | suppaman | wols the point is not flood the chan, I cannot see where the problem is |
| 15:41.27 | perlmonkey | rahul: maybe your immune system crushed it |
| 15:41.32 | bzed | suppaman: nothing. pastebin is jsut times more simple |
| 15:41.44 | rahul | perlmonkey: all in the space of an hour? heh |
| 15:41.46 | wols | suppaman: text is smaller than images. you're wasteful |
| 15:41.51 | wols | and not everyone in here has broadband |
| 15:41.54 | sussudio | %forget badger (*.?) |
| 15:41.54 | badgers | i didn't have anything called 'badger (*.?)' to forget, sussudio |
| 15:41.56 | perlmonkey | rahul: powerful thing |
| 15:41.59 | suppaman | it isn't if your emulator won't allow you to copy the window as text |
| 15:42.04 | suppaman | nevermind? |
| 15:42.11 | rahul | (and the universe bends) |
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| 15:42.18 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 15:42.39 | perlmonkey | im fuked off, beyond belief today |
| 15:42.43 | bzed | suppaman: you could use the line dpkg showed you to paste from within your emulator :P |
| 15:42.44 | itchi | That Dynamic MMap problem is only with apt-get then? |
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| 15:43.46 | suppaman | bzed: but is't more work that grabbing a screenshot and uploading it |
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| 15:44.05 | sussudio | %texugo rahul |
| 15:44.05 | badgers | rahul: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 15:44.28 | suppaman | I don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 15:44.54 | cydork | suppaman: create one. |
| 15:44.55 | rahul | actually, it wasn't deep in the canal, just right inside |
| 15:44.57 | suppaman | so I have to create a file in apt.conf.d, is there a preferred name |
| 15:45.06 | bzed | suppaman: you make an alias of it once and then it takes a part of a second to type it |
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| 15:45.26 | bzed | suppaman: echo $RANDOM worls well |
| 15:45.35 | sussudio | rahul: yeah sounds like wallweasels. they hide in your walls and only come out at night to make sweet, furious sexytime to your earcanals. |
| 15:45.45 | rahul | I like the sexytime! |
| 15:45.51 | suppaman | bzed: I don't have curl (still) |
| 15:47.11 | rahul | so um, what is the badger doing with a snake? |
| 15:47.43 | HostilePenguin | i got sauerbraten running its awsome also i was having kde errors after installing fglrx drivers $display not set i couldnt log into kde but i changed from gdm to kdm and now kde is fine crazy |
| 15:48.20 | rahul | sussudio: badgers, shrooms, snakes? |
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| 15:48.44 | sussudio | %dachs rahul |
| 15:48.44 | badgers | rahul: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 15:48.51 | dustybin | after reading this: |
| 15:48.53 | dustybin | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6506027.stm |
| 15:49.03 | suppaman | APT::Cache-Limit doesn't seem to help |
| 15:49.05 | rahul | fucking crack head |
| 15:49.07 | dustybin | does anybody have an idea what distro dell might pre-install ? |
| 15:49.07 | rahul | yeah, I should talk. |
| 15:49.13 | suppaman | I've set it to something like 64Mb |
| 15:49.17 | rahul | dustybin: fedora, probably |
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| 15:49.24 | dustybin | ok |
| 15:49.28 | dustybin | not suse? |
| 15:49.38 | HostilePenguin | how do i change the kdm resolution? |
| 15:49.51 | perlmonkey | I need to change my localhost name |
| 15:50.09 | suppaman | perlmonkey: /etc/hosts ? |
| 15:50.10 | bzed | dustybin: i guess suxxe because suxxe's mother novell lick's M$'s ass and M$ licks dell's ass (or the other way round) |
| 15:50.24 | dustybin | yes |
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| 15:50.42 | perlmonkey | suppaman is it just a case of editing it and logging in again, or do i need to reboot |
| 15:50.45 | torrrr | anyone knwos how to check which keycode the ctrl do in bash? |
| 15:50.57 | bzed | dustybin: well at least they sell soemthign with linux, that'll work for the noobs, and I don't care as long as I don't need to pay for the licence |
| 15:51.18 | \amethyst | torrrr: bash doesn't have a concept of keycode... do you mean X keycodes or console keycodes? |
| 15:51.19 | suppaman | perlmonkey: just editing |
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| 15:51.36 | suppaman | wols: it doesn't seem to help.. |
| 15:51.38 | dustybin | yes |
| 15:51.43 | suppaman | wols: my pc has 128Mb of ram |
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| 15:52.00 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.06 | bzed | perlmonkey: hostname yournewname; hostname > /etc/hostname; edit /etc/hosts and replace the old by the new name everywhere; probably you need to reboot, but it should work without rebooting |
| 15:52.22 | perlmonkey | bzed: many thanks |
| 15:52.23 | suppaman | ok I solved |
| 15:52.27 | rahul | torrrr: in where? |
| 15:52.35 | suppaman | bzed: he didn't ask how to change hostname |
| 15:52.40 | bzed | torrrr: try export TERM=linux |
| 15:52.47 | suppaman | bzed: he asked how to change his "localhost" |
| 15:52.59 | bzed | suppaman: you don;t change localhost |
| 15:53.03 | suppaman | bzed: I interpreted it as the willing to change the hosts entry for loopback |
| 15:53.08 | torrrr | rahul, in where: when I press ctrl, it sends 0x67 |
| 15:53.13 | perlmonkey | localhost NAME |
| 15:53.16 | rahul | torrrr: sends where? |
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| 15:53.22 | \amethyst | torrrr: You can run xev | grep keycode and press the Control key. That should procues some output including a KeyPress and |
| 15:53.27 | suppaman | perlmonkey: hostname then |
| 15:53.30 | bzed | !confuse perlmonkey |
| 15:53.30 | dpkg | No, who are my bacon today, perlmonkey? pants of the dictatorship of belarus with extra ham |
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| 15:53.39 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 15:53.41 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 15:53.51 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.56 | rahul | localhost IS the name |
| 15:54.01 | rahul | by defintion |
| 15:54.05 | \amethyst | torrrr: So I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 15:54.12 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:54.15 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.30 | \amethyst | torrrr: man xmodmap maybe |
| 15:54.34 | suppaman | rahul: you have to specify "the name" of what |
| 15:54.46 | rahul | suppaman: it's the name of localhost, heh |
| 15:54.48 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.00 | suppaman | that's a tautology |
| 15:55.05 | rahul | exactly |
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| 15:55.10 | rahul | how do you change the name of a name? |
| 15:55.10 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.16 | \amethyst | torrrr: oh, you want a script to see what keysym the control key is producing? |
| 15:55.22 | suppaman | cydork: I had to create /etc/apt.conf even if had a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ dir |
| 15:55.28 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.30 | suppaman | rahul: you should ask lewis carrol for that |
| 15:55.39 | \amethyst | torrrr: man xmodmap |
| 15:55.59 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.01 | rahul | heh |
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| 15:56.38 | GillaGal | Is there any way to run the mirror setup on Etch again? |
| 15:56.47 | suppaman | the point is that perlmonkey asked for changing its localhost, it could be understood as how to change the bash prompt too |
| 15:56.49 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.04 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:57.10 | HardDisk_WP | a question: i have a quicktime .mov |
| 15:57.11 | suppaman | in that case he should have just changed his shell's variables |
| 15:57.16 | HardDisk_WP | created by iMovie |
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| 15:57.26 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: sounds nice till now |
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| 15:57.48 | bzed | suppaman: i think perlmonkey is just confused |
| 15:57.58 | HardDisk_WP | Mplayer, ffmpeg,VLC on my debian etch (i use d-mm.org) and QT7 on Windows cant play it |
| 15:58.03 | HardDisk_WP | But Kaffeine and Noatun can |
| 15:58.07 | \amethyst | torrrr: Hmm... do you want to see whether the physical control key produces 0x67, or whether the key 0x67 is currently mapped to the "Control" keysym? |
| 15:58.13 | HardDisk_WP | How do I convert this video lossless? |
| 15:58.28 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: you cannot convert losslessy |
| 15:58.43 | HardDisk_WP | ...or as lossless as possible? |
| 15:58.45 | dooglus | is there any documentation package for libglibmm-2.4-dev ? |
| 15:58.47 | \amethyst | unless you reencode to a lossless format |
| 15:58.55 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: what you call "converting" is transcoding |
| 15:59.00 | \amethyst | which would be... huge |
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| 15:59.19 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: use high bitrate, you shouldn't notice the difference |
| 15:59.29 | HardDisk_WP | suppaman, i need a *application* first |
| 15:59.36 | HardDisk_WP | as ffmpeg/mencoder dont eat it |
| 15:59.38 | suppaman | mencoder will do the job I think |
| 15:59.53 | suppaman | .mov is a container, what codec is it ? |
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| 16:00.01 | HardDisk_WP | DV |
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| 16:00.07 | HardDisk_WP | I suppose mpeg4 |
| 16:00.17 | suppaman | anyway if mplayer can play it probably mencoder will transcode it |
| 16:00.26 | HardDisk_WP | suppaman, it can't play it |
| 16:00.29 | HardDisk_WP | thats the problem |
| 16:00.35 | HardDisk_WP | only kaffeine and Noatun can play |
| 16:00.52 | suppaman | what the mplayer output says ? |
| 16:01.01 | suppaman | mplayer is the cli, right ? |
| 16:01.09 | HardDisk_WP | ya |
| 16:01.17 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.22 | HardDisk_WP | suppaman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5879 ...I nterrupted it after 30secs with CTRL C |
| 16:02.29 | HardDisk_WP | "no video" |
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| 16:03.00 | abrotman | strace ? |
| 16:03.03 | rjalex | hello when I copy and paste text into a vi window each subsequent line gets indented and looses original formatting. I cannot recall how to avoid this. thank you |
| 16:03.09 | rjalex | ciao abrotman |
| 16:03.13 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:03.14 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, whats that? |
| 16:03.19 | \amethyst | rjalex: use "*p instead |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | rjalex: or ask #vim ... |
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| 16:03.33 | \amethyst | rjalex: or :set noautoindent |
| 16:03.34 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: try #mplayer |
| 16:03.34 | rjalex | thanks abrotman |
| 16:03.40 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 16:04.01 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: what file says about the mov ? |
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| 16:07.06 | \amethyst | rjalex: !echo $DISPLAY |
| 16:07.08 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:07.21 | HardDisk_WP | suppaman, ??? |
| 16:07.34 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: type "file yourfile.mov" |
| 16:07.58 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:/media/MARCOS IPOD/Extern$ file Schneeweiss.mov |
| 16:07.59 | HardDisk_WP | Schneeweiss.mov: DIF (DV) movie file (PAL) |
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| 16:08.31 | jessy_ | hi |
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| 16:08.59 | jessy_ | does anyone know the command which set the java runtime to be used by "java" command ? |
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| 16:10.16 | vignesh | Does the current weekly build of Debian etch include Xorg 7.2 ? |
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| 16:11.09 | HardDisk_WP | suppaman, that info is correct... |
| 16:11.11 | apk | jessy_: update-java-alternatives |
| 16:11.20 | jessy_ | apk, thanks |
| 16:11.33 | aeronadix | how do you update debian? |
| 16:12.33 | apk | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 16:13.02 | aeronadix | apk thanks |
| 16:13.27 | vignesh | anyone ? |
| 16:13.43 | aeronadix | how do you configure mozilla to always open media file externally in kaffeine |
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| 16:15.29 | dustybin | does anyone here use the Epiphany web-browser instead of Iceweasel? |
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| 16:16.00 | DimmuR | Hi is there any package for nautilus to use nautilus extension scripts? |
| 16:16.19 | bzed | !tell dustybin about anybody |
| 16:16.34 | dustybin | ? |
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| 16:16.53 | dustybin | ok |
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| 16:18.03 | ma3x | does aptitude have build-dep? |
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| 16:18.12 | perlmonkey | got no internet again on my lan :-/ |
| 16:18.30 | perlmonkey | rebooted server and then lost internet, stange as my firewall was fine earlier |
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| 16:18.54 | bzed | perlmonkey: did you save your firewall rules somewhere? |
| 16:18.55 | perlmonkey | nuffin in logs :-/ |
| 16:18.55 | azeem | perlmonkey: is this a remote server? |
| 16:19.06 | perlmonkey | local server |
| 16:19.12 | bzed | perlmonkey: or did you jsut execute a bunch of iptables stuff? |
| 16:19.13 | perlmonkey | bzed: yes |
| 16:19.35 | perlmonkey | bzed: I reinstalled shorewall and edited all the rules/policy/zones by hand |
| 16:19.47 | perlmonkey | following the examples and reading the notes |
| 16:19.57 | bzed | ok. sorry, but I have no clue about shorewall |
| 16:20.01 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:20.24 | perlmonkey | it worked fine earlier and i had no access on lan, but as soon as i rebooted after changing hostname, no more net access |
| 16:20.34 | perlmonkey | -no |
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| 16:22.37 | perlmonkey | I got nuffin, cant even ping an IP |
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| 16:24.05 | xand | turn the firewall off ;) |
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| 16:24.46 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 16:26.55 | perlmonkey | f'kin sux, werks one minute, now it doesnt |
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| 16:30.56 | bahadunn | anyone having problems with kernels not showing up in the grub list on sarge? |
| 16:31.22 | bahadunn | I installed the kernel-image-2.6-686-smp but only kernel-image-2.6-386 shows up in the list during boot |
| 16:31.27 | bahadunn | really weird |
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| 16:32.22 | Yggdrasil | where/how can i add more virtual terminals ? |
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| 16:33.13 | shay | as in, ALT + F6.. 7.. 8, etc? |
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| 16:35.46 | shay | Yggdrasil, ? |
| 16:35.47 | perlmonkey | still no net access :-/ |
| 16:35.57 | Yggdrasil | shay yes |
| 16:35.58 | Yggdrasil | sorry |
| 16:36.01 | perlmonkey | also ssh seems to take an age to reply when connecting to server |
| 16:36.03 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 16:36.15 | Yggdrasil | isnt that what they are called |
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| 16:36.41 | shay | Yggdrasil, man getty |
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| 16:36.45 | Yggdrasil | k thanks |
| 16:36.50 | suppaman | Yggdrasil: inittab |
| 16:36.52 | shay | Yggdrasil, or http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Terminals.html |
| 16:36.57 | bahadunn | perlmonkey: dns |
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| 16:37.10 | shay | Yggdrasil, or use GNU screen, which defenitely rules (apt-get install screen) |
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| 16:37.39 | Yggdrasil | well im trying to troublshoot an ubuntu problem . |
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| 16:37.44 | suppaman | Yggdrasil: do you mean you want to increase the number of terminal when the system starts ? |
| 16:37.50 | perlmonkey | it's not DNS as I can't connect or ping IP's either |
| 16:37.56 | Yggdrasil | and they dont know what the hell they are doing so i just wanted to reseach how its suypposed to real work |
| 16:38.00 | Yggdrasil | suppaman yes |
| 16:38.07 | suppaman | Yggdrasil: inittab then |
| 16:38.11 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:38.15 | suppaman | Yggdrasil: /etc/inittab |
| 16:38.19 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:38.23 | Yggdrasil | let me check it otu |
| 16:38.30 | bahadunn | perlmonkey: you said ssh is slow to respond when you connect to the server |
| 16:38.38 | perlmonkey | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 16:38.39 | Yggdrasil | they are using somethign called , /etc/event.d/tty1 -6 |
| 16:38.46 | Yggdrasil | suppaman do i know u ? |
| 16:38.56 | suppaman | Yggdrasil: no |
| 16:38.57 | perlmonkey | bahadunn: yeah quite slow, takes about 1 or 2 mins |
| 16:39.00 | Yggdrasil | k |
| 16:39.04 | easytiger | enouf: cheers |
| 16:39.10 | bahadunn | perlmonkey: can you connect? |
| 16:39.17 | perlmonkey | bahadunn: ya |
| 16:39.19 | enouf | easytiger: ;-) .. no prob |
| 16:39.28 | Yggdrasil | supppaman thanks |
| 16:39.45 | perlmonkey | other services just timeout tho |
| 16:39.56 | perlmonkey | i dont know if that is due to firewall or not |
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| 16:40.39 | perlmonkey | im screwed :-/ |
| 16:40.48 | bahadunn | probably firewall |
| 16:40.51 | suppaman | I had a box with two nics 1 wifi and 1 eth with ip address 192.168.0.18 and 192.168.1.18, I was on wireless on network 192.168.0.0 and ssh to 192.168.0.18 took a long time while ssh to 192.168.1.18 (that was still going through the wifi card) was much faster |
| 16:41.31 | perlmonkey | bahadunn: I dont understand it because it worked fine earlier until i changed my hostname and rebooted |
| 16:41.32 | enouf | perlmonkey: apologies .. I'll go away now |
| 16:41.32 | perlmonkey | strange |
| 16:41.58 | perlmonkey | enouf: you know firewalls eh |
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| 16:42.21 | enouf | perlmonkey: apologies .. no I do not .. have no real use for them |
| 16:42.47 | enouf | perlmonkey: just SPI, and NAT does it for me |
| 16:42.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:43.17 | enouf | perlmonkey: and occasssional monitoring of outgoing packets |
| 16:43.43 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 16:44.27 | perlmonkey | why does nuffin ever go smoothly in linux |
| 16:44.46 | enouf | iptop, ntop, and there are a gazillion others.. but if I were to institute firewalls, I'd use iptables explicitily |
| 16:45.19 | enouf | erm .. sorry I think it's iftop |
| 16:45.47 | enouf | perlmonkey: because .. --> |
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| 16:45.56 | enouf | !dstats etch |
| 16:46.00 | hark | !why |
| 16:46.00 | dpkg | Because! |
| 16:46.07 | enouf | bah |
| 16:46.08 | hark | !comfort perlmonkey |
| 16:46.09 | dpkg | There, there, perlmonkey. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 16:46.20 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 16:46.36 | hark | that's it.. i'm off ;) |
| 16:46.41 | bzed | enouf: definitely. and I'd not try to write a firewall without knowing what I'm doing |
| 16:46.42 | suppaman | bye |
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| 16:46.50 | enouf | someone tell dpkg to show the 20,000+ pkgs |
| 16:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18611 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41705 MB installed size, 13731 MB compressed size. |
| 16:47.12 | perlmonkey | do i need to restart networking or anything after changing hosts.allow? |
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| 16:47.18 | enouf | heh .. dpkg are you constipated? |
| 16:47.28 | easytiger | when at a virtual terminal, can i configure the number of rows and columns ? |
| 16:47.38 | bzed | perlmonkey: why do you change hosts.allow? |
| 16:48.02 | perlmonkey | bzed: I thought that might be causing the no internet access, as its empty |
| 16:48.09 | enouf | perlmonkey: stop thinking like windon'ts lusers |
| 16:48.20 | bzed | perlmonkey: no, it does not |
| 16:48.21 | perlmonkey | i dunno what else to do |
| 16:48.34 | bzed | perlmonkey: you should stop playing witht hings you don't know about |
| 16:48.35 | enouf | perlmonkey: drop all you've learned till now |
| 16:48.55 | enouf | !tell perlmonkey -about grounding |
| 16:49.03 | enouf | !tell perlmonkey -about reference |
| 16:49.30 | perlmonkey | hey im not some newbie |
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| 16:49.38 | perlmonkey | ive been using debian since 1997 |
| 16:49.39 | bzed | perlmonkey: before you play with things, find out how they work. same for the raid. you know NOTHING about how a raid works, absolutely NOTHING. all you know is that mdadm does things with it. that's not enough. |
| 16:49.50 | enouf | perlmonkey: you sure act like one |
| 16:49.56 | perlmonkey | well im not |
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| 16:50.05 | enouf | !pal perlmonkey |
| 16:50.10 | mcgreg | what is a good gfx card for linux these days? |
| 16:50.13 | enouf | :-) |
| 16:50.18 | perlmonkey | enouf: whatever |
| 16:50.33 | enouf | perlmonkey: I'm just kidding .. lighten up |
| 16:50.37 | enouf | !slap me |
| 16:50.49 | bzed | mcgreg: I'd go with nvidia, they have at least good drivers, although they're not opensource |
| 16:50.58 | enouf | mcgreg: an X850 or less, or an nVidia POS |
| 16:51.00 | bzed | mcgreg: and they work with all their cards, not like that ati shit stuff |
| 16:51.12 | perlmonkey | sorry my mood is low, ive had 1 raid failure, 1 complete server reinstall (going badly) and 1 laptop grub failure, all in space of 24 hrs |
| 16:51.18 | enouf | or an Intel Onboard POS |
| 16:51.28 | perlmonkey | i feel like quitting PCs and doing painting or something |
| 16:51.39 | bzed | perlmonkey: sleep is an idea |
| 16:51.57 | enouf | perlmonkey: you sincrely have my apologies.. I'll go now .. again |
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| 16:52.20 | enouf | perlmonkey: I build houses for a living ;-) |
| 16:52.45 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 16:52.46 | enouf | perlmonkey: maybe you should get some Demolition jobs .. hlps the frustration |
| 16:52.53 | enouf | helps* |
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| 16:53.04 | perlmonkey | i will demolish this server in a minute |
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| 16:53.34 | bzed | perlmonkey: find a bad full of sand and try to demolish that |
| 16:53.48 | perlmonkey | it works, it doesnt work, it works, it half works |
| 16:53.54 | bzed | perlmonkey: demolishing hardware makes a bad karma |
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| 16:54.01 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:54.18 | jstevens | err, demolishing hardware sets an example! |
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| 16:54.25 | Cheef-Daniel | I have a problem with tripwire: all reported mails sent to me have a wrong date (1970-01-01) |
| 16:54.31 | perlmonkey | why does ssh take ages to come up with login prompt |
| 16:54.35 | perlmonkey | earlier it was instant |
| 16:54.47 | jstevens | keeps everything in line. |
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| 16:55.43 | bzed | perlmonkey: common problems are DNS problems in such cases. or a fucked up /etc/nsswitch.conf. or both |
| 16:56.37 | enouf | 'ok perlmonkey .. a therapeutic plan: go dig a 1 foot by 12 foot long trench in your yard (i hope you have one) .. then when done, if you still feel like burying the Server .. DO IT! .. if not .. plant a row of azalias :-) |
| 16:56.45 | Cheef-Daniel | the status-mails are sent automaticaly after the scan started with a cronscript |
| 16:56.56 | enouf | azaelias* |
| 16:57.03 | enouf | IINM |
| 16:57.03 | perlmonkey | bzed: ok |
| 16:57.12 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:57.23 | perlmonkey | just tried an experiment, removed shorewall and put on ipmasq |
| 16:57.28 | perlmonkey | all problems vanished |
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| 16:57.34 | tortora | ciao |
| 16:57.37 | perlmonkey | shorewall is a piece of crap |
| 16:57.40 | tortora | !list |
| 16:57.41 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to tortora |
| 16:57.45 | mcgreg | should a "XpertVision / Palit 256MB X800GTO AGP" work well too? |
| 16:57.53 | tortora | !addon |
| 16:58.10 | perlmonkey | shorewall even slowed down my ssh connections |
| 16:58.17 | enouf | !milk tortora |
| 16:58.22 | wols | !confuse tortora |
| 16:58.22 | dpkg | Yes, what was our hamster tomorrow, tortora? wellies of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 16:58.25 | bzed | perlmonkey: that sounds more like a PEBCAK problem, definitely |
| 16:58.30 | Ronin | dont think you have to confuse them wols :) |
| 16:58.35 | perlmonkey | whats PEBCAK |
| 16:58.42 | bzed | !pebcak |
| 16:58.42 | Ronin | !pebcak |
| 16:58.42 | dpkg | methinks pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 16:58.44 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:58.45 | enouf | !pebacka |
| 16:58.47 | hark | !pebkac |
| 16:58.47 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 16:58.50 | perlmonkey | bah |
| 16:58.56 | wols | Ronin: I thought it would tell them something about a topic they know |
| 16:59.08 | perlmonkey | problem exists in poor documentation for highly complex configuration files, more like |
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| 16:59.44 | bzed | perlmonkey: problem exists in using firewall 'software' at all. an editor, good knowledge and iptables is all you need. |
| 17:00.13 | perlmonkey | iptables is complicated tho |
| 17:00.23 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 17:00.23 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 17:00.48 | enouf | ok dpkg .. what would you like darling? |
| 17:00.54 | perlmonkey | ive been using shorewall for a couple of years and created a sizeable set of rules |
| 17:01.00 | perlmonkey | so i want to keep using that |
| 17:01.01 | bzed | perlmonkey: not if you know what you're doing. and to configure things like a firewall you should KNOW what you're doing, or you can leave the firewall away because it'll be an openwall. |
| 17:01.01 | wols | enouf: I want a pony! |
| 17:01.08 | enouf | !pony wols |
| 17:01.18 | wols | awww.sweet! |
| 17:01.24 | perlmonkey | i just wish devs wouldnt go changing how things work and making things not compatible with older configs |
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| 17:01.28 | enouf | giddey-yup |
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| 17:01.34 | jochen123 | Someone here who knows Expect Scripting and can help me with an simple question? |
| 17:01.49 | enouf | expect? |
| 17:01.56 | bahadunn | anyone know about the sarge installer refusing to partition a drive for software raid 1? |
| 17:02.01 | sporty_G | am horny |
| 17:02.02 | enouf | expect to be slammed |
| 17:02.03 | perlmonkey | ok i will start over |
| 17:02.07 | bzed | bahadunn: use the etch installer |
| 17:02.11 | wols | sporty_G: get a pony. it helps |
| 17:02.16 | bzed | !milk sporty_G |
| 17:02.32 | enouf | sporty_G: you're not the only man on earth .. now go away |
| 17:02.32 | bahadunn | bzed: I need sarge |
| 17:02.33 | bzed | !tell jochen123 about 123 |
| 17:02.35 | bzed | bahadunn: why? |
| 17:02.37 | jstevens | jochen123: You are prolly better off just asking the question. |
| 17:02.42 | bahadunn | bzed: production server |
| 17:02.46 | bzed | bahadunn: and so? |
| 17:02.53 | bahadunn | bzed: software that we are installing on it requires debian 3.1 |
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| 17:03.15 | enouf | !penixstrike sporty_G |
| 17:03.15 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sporty_G to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:03.21 | wols | bahadunn: Insha'Allah sarge will be oldstable next week |
| 17:03.22 | rahul | haha |
| 17:03.30 | bzed | bahadunn: etch will be released within a few days, and we're using etch since months on production servers. and if it REALLY requires sarge, then blame them for beeing closed source asshats |
| 17:03.34 | enouf | even AFTER the fact ;-) |
| 17:03.41 | jochen123 | someone knows how to write the output of an sftp command in a file? So that i can make something like "put local_folder1 external_folder1" > local_list because i need to delete all files which were copied to the ftp server. and ONLY the files which were copyd. I have this in an expect Script but dont know how to handle this. With expect_out or something but it is to complex for me. I use expect because of the automatic login to the sftp serv |
| 17:03.42 | enouf | we are the NSA babay! |
| 17:04.14 | bzed | jochen123: sounds more like a case for rsync |
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| 17:04.52 | bzed | jochen123: without understanding completely what you really want to do |
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| 17:05.10 | enouf | man tee? |
| 17:05.17 | karsten | jochen123: tee or script. |
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| 17:05.52 | karsten | enouf: What didn't I reply to? |
| 17:06.02 | hark | heh, 1 release-critical bugs were closed and 19 were opened. |
| 17:06.04 | enouf | karsten: I asked you something // |
| 17:06.16 | enouf | karsten: PM ok ? |
| 17:06.32 | karsten | enouf: Shoot |
| 17:06.37 | bzed | bahadunn: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Base_Install_of_Debian_Sarge_with_RAID#RAID_1_setup_with_a_NEW_install_of_Debian_Sarge |
| 17:06.39 | jochen123 | ist an expect script |
| 17:06.50 | jochen123 | expect "sftp>" |
| 17:06.50 | jochen123 | send "put /mnt/ablage_wws/aktiv_ftp/tcom/Eingang/* Eingang/ \r" |
| 17:07.03 | valdyn | jochen123: what does the sftp command have to do with ftp? |
| 17:07.03 | jochen123 | an the copied file have to be deletet |
| 17:07.12 | bzed | jochen123: and? use rsync instead of sftp. |
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| 17:07.25 | jochen123 | i have only sftp login to the server |
| 17:07.30 | bzed | jochen123: I think that'll solve your problem with the right params. |
| 17:07.33 | bzed | jochen123: and? |
| 17:07.39 | valdyn | jochen123: you probably mean ssh |
| 17:07.58 | bzed | jochen123: if you have sftp you should have scp, too. and then you can savely use rsync |
| 17:08.26 | bzed | jochen123: sftp == a nice frontend to scp |
| 17:08.44 | pickcoder | sftp != scp |
| 17:08.59 | jochen123 | NO i dont can use ssh or scp |
| 17:09.07 | jochen123 | login only accept sftp |
| 17:09.17 | valdyn | sftp is a ssh client to copy files with ftp like usage, that is all |
| 17:09.21 | wols | !sftp |
| 17:09.22 | dpkg | sftp is, like, a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 17:09.36 | wols | so you have ssh |
| 17:09.55 | bzed | i think you can limit the use of ssh to execute sftp only |
| 17:09.55 | wols | or do you mean ftp over ssl (port 995 or so)? |
| 17:10.02 | jochen123 | but i get no login with ssh ! |
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| 17:10.21 | pickcoder | if you use rssh you can limit the connection to only the commands specified in the config |
| 17:10.21 | bzed | jochen123: and? |
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| 17:10.32 | bzed | jochen123: there's no need to get a login to use scp |
| 17:10.32 | pickcoder | rssh == default shell for the user |
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| 17:10.52 | bzed | jochen123: and if you have sftp access I bet you have scp avaiable, too |
| 17:12.09 | perlmonkey | can ipmasq by itself replace a firewall |
| 17:12.20 | karsten | perlmonkey: mu |
| 17:12.23 | valdyn | perlmonkey: sure |
| 17:12.27 | jochen123 | i test it |
| 17:12.28 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 17:12.33 | karsten | perlmonkey: ipmasq is a subset of firewalling. |
| 17:12.46 | perlmonkey | so i will stay with ipmasq then |
| 17:12.46 | karsten | perlmonkey: masquerading itself doesn't do all a firewall can do. |
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| 17:12.53 | cydork | perlmonkey: ipmasq uses iptables . |
| 17:13.07 | valdyn | the linux kernel itself doesnt do all a firewall could do.. |
| 17:13.10 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... OTOH, firewalls can't do all they're cracked up to be either. |
| 17:13.28 | perlmonkey | shorewall is a subset of iptables too eh |
| 17:13.41 | karsten | perlmonkey: front-end, not subset. |
| 17:13.42 | cydork | subset? |
| 17:13.45 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 17:13.53 | valdyn | perlmonkey: ipmasq does enough to be called a firewall, but there's a gazillions features that firewalls could have, that ipmasq does not provide |
| 17:13.56 | karsten | perlmonkey: ipmasq is literally a subset of firewalling. Masquerading is a firewall rule. |
| 17:14.02 | karsten | Well, and a kernel proc setting. |
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| 17:14.26 | perlmonkey | so ipmasq by itself is not sufficient for managing the firewall needs of a server |
| 17:14.41 | kaeles | i installed atftpd and it keeps killing itself right after i start it, any clue? |
| 17:14.42 | perlmonkey | iptables rules are needed eh |
| 17:14.50 | karsten | perlmonkey: Essentially correct. |
| 17:14.52 | valdyn | perlmonkey: eh? a server does not necessarily need a fw at all |
| 17:14.53 | Yggdrasil | hey suppaman you still in here. |
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| 17:15.07 | h3sp4wn | karsten: How you starting it ? |
| 17:15.09 | perlmonkey | valdyn: how can it be secure |
| 17:15.16 | h3sp4wn | kaeles: ^^ |
| 17:15.23 | h3sp4wn | karsten: sorry |
| 17:15.28 | kaeles | inetd |
| 17:15.39 | valdyn | perlmonkey: nothing is secure |
| 17:15.39 | kaeles | well with the tftpd-hpa it says the start action failed |
| 17:15.40 | kaeles | :| |
| 17:15.47 | karsten | perlmonkey: IP masquerading is simply the ability for a single system to handle traffic for a number of others, for traffic initiated on the private side of the gateway, by remapping service ports to addresses on the backside. |
| 17:15.56 | perlmonkey | things are more secure with a firewall to restrict access me thinks |
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| 17:16.25 | perlmonkey | karsten: ok i understand |
| 17:16.27 | karsten | perlmonkey: It gives you a way to get out, but somewhat confounds the concept of getting in (eg: initiating an inbound connection), though there are ways around this, which would also have to be configured on the gateway. |
| 17:16.41 | kaeles | then i do /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start and it acts fine but never shows up with ps aux | grep tftp |
| 17:16.43 | kaeles | : |
| 17:16.44 | kaeles | :( |
| 17:16.49 | h3sp4wn | kaeles: I only use them occassionally but for tftpd-hpa you need to edit something in /etc/default/* |
| 17:17.01 | perlmonkey | where do the iptables rules live |
| 17:17.02 | karsten | perlmonkey: This is *one* of *many* capabilities of the full iptables ruleset and functionality. |
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| 17:17.12 | h3sp4wn | kaeles: atftpd I just start with atftpd --daemon /var/tftp |
| 17:17.22 | kaeles | i tried that too |
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| 17:17.26 | kaeles | and it still just dies |
| 17:17.30 | RichiH | figlet, cowsay, any others like it? |
| 17:17.35 | mcgreg | does debian kernel support this eth-hardware: Realtek RTL8111B ? |
| 17:17.45 | perlmonkey | iptables doesnt live in /etc |
| 17:17.52 | karsten | perlmonkey: ip rules in general can block, allow, rate-limit, log, redirect, and do all sorts of other things, to network traffic at the packet layer. |
| 17:17.59 | valdyn | perlmonkey: iptables is just a command |
| 17:18.00 | jstevens | perlmonkey: I'd really suggest reading through a few of the iptables tutorials. Then you can put together a script that fits your needs and know exactly what it is doing. |
| 17:18.00 | kaeles | blegh |
| 17:18.03 | karsten | perlmonkey: iptables lives in the kernel. |
| 17:18.06 | ktwilight | i think he meant |
| 17:18.10 | ktwilight | where are they stored |
| 17:18.14 | karsten | perlmonkey: Find yourself a good firewalling / iptables doc and read it. |
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| 17:18.23 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 17:19.01 | jstevens | perlmonkey: You'll likely find that forr most of your servers your firewall script might be all of a dozen lines or so. Perhaps not even that many. |
| 17:19.08 | karsten | perlmonkey: As a practical matter, the rules are either defined in a script which is run (usually from /etc/init.d, but that's entirely system dependent), or saved under /var/ somewhere in a digested form for iptables to reload quickly. |
| 17:19.14 | Yggdrasil | has anyone here ever seen /etc/event.d ? is this somethign new or ../? |
| 17:19.32 | karsten | Yggdrasil: acpid stuff? |
| 17:19.35 | valdyn | Yggdrasil: that is where upstart stores its configuration |
| 17:19.43 | valdyn | !upstart |
| 17:19.44 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 17:19.52 | karsten | Yggdrasil: I see /etc/acpid/events/ |
| 17:19.54 | karsten | Yggdrasil: NM. |
| 17:19.55 | Yggdrasil | well im just trying to see what these ubuntu fools ave done |
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| 17:20.01 | valdyn | Yggdrasil: you don't need to care about this unless you run ubuntu |
| 17:20.05 | Yggdrasil | and theres soemthing with my ttys |
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| 17:20.13 | kaeles | when i do ps aux i should see the atftpd running? |
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| 17:20.23 | Yggdrasil | basicly i have not virtual terminals and im tryingto figure out wetf is going on |
| 17:20.24 | Yggdrasil | pos |
| 17:20.24 | valdyn | Yggdrasil: upstart is ubuntus 'init' replacement |
| 17:20.31 | karsten | kaeles: Unless it's run by /etc/inet.d |
| 17:20.41 | dustybin | my iptables is in a script what is executes from: /etc/network/if-up.d/firewallscript |
| 17:20.44 | dustybin | #!/bin/sh |
| 17:20.47 | dustybin | iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf |
| 17:20.56 | karsten | Yggdrasil: Adam? |
| 17:21.07 | joz | hi all |
| 17:21.09 | valdyn | Yggdrasil: its kinda neat, but not yet interesting for endusers imo |
| 17:21.27 | Yggdrasil | well, |
| 17:21.28 | Hotwire | Hi, does anyone know of any linux tools to convert .bin + .cue files into an iso, or to mount a bin + cue pair? |
| 17:21.34 | Yggdrasil | its pissing me off because i dont have any terminal |
| 17:21.50 | kaeles | well, if it IS run by inet.d how do i find out if its running? |
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| 17:21.52 | Yggdrasil | comes up and give me some huey about this : |
| 17:21.56 | valdyn | Hotwire: bchunk |
| 17:22.02 | Hotwire | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 17:22.03 | karsten | Hotwire: cue2toc, possibly. |
| 17:22.09 | kaeles | and would that be killing it if i try to fun it as a daemon? |
| 17:22.09 | Hotwire | karsten: thanks :) |
| 17:22.17 | kaeles | s/fun/run |
| 17:22.34 | arnau | Hi all, does anybody know how the daylight saving time change is done? |
| 17:22.38 | karsten | kaeles: Most daemons which can be wrapped in inet.d will check for an entry there and silently fail. |
| 17:22.56 | karsten | kaeles: 'bash -x /etc/init.d/<startup script> start' should show that happening. |
| 17:22.56 | valdyn | Hotwire: mind, an iso cant contain all the same that bin/cue can, so you cant make bin to iso, just like that, in some cases |
| 17:23.03 | karsten | arnau: Correctly. |
| 17:23.05 | arnau | I mean the automatic process using the /usr/share/timezone changes the time |
| 17:23.25 | karsten | arnau: If you've updated tzdata (testing/unstable) or glibc (stable) since mid-2006 you're fine. |
| 17:23.31 | Yggdrasil | respawn .... netx lint : /sbin/getty 38400 tty1exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 17:23.31 | Hotwire | valdyn: i'll bear that in mind :) |
| 17:23.38 | Yggdrasil | next line even |
| 17:23.43 | karsten | arnau: The time doesn't change, so long as you're running hwclock / system clock == UTC. |
| 17:23.45 | arnau | yep, but I'd like to know how it's done |
| 17:23.47 | valdyn | Hotwire: like audio / svcd |
| 17:23.54 | karsten | arnau: The time *representation* changes, via tz config files. |
| 17:23.59 | arnau | because I need to implement such method in a web portal |
| 17:24.10 | enouf | Yggdrasil: kill all your sill bots |
| 17:24.15 | Hotwire | valdyn: its a game disk so i should be ok :) |
| 17:24.20 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 17:24.21 | Yggdrasil | huh ? |
| 17:24.22 | enouf | silly |
| 17:24.32 | kaeles | well, it says its using inetd in the script |
| 17:24.32 | kaeles | but |
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| 17:24.40 | kaeles | when i nmap my localhost it doesn't show the port as open |
| 17:24.42 | kaeles | :( |
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| 17:24.59 | karsten | kaeles: It opens on an valid FTP request by the inetd daemon. |
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| 17:25.20 | karsten | kaeles: Commend the line in /etc/inetd.conf and rehup inetd. |
| 17:25.21 | arnau | karsten, then when any application gets asks for the time, everytime the /usr/timezone data is read? |
| 17:25.23 | karsten | comment. |
| 17:25.27 | karsten | arnau: yes. |
| 17:25.27 | enouf | Yggdrasil: I've witnessed you having more than a few nicks logging on/off at any time |
| 17:25.37 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 17:25.46 | Yggdrasil | im rarely in here... |
| 17:25.49 | FelipeSouza | How to make python application packages to debian? A distutils? |
| 17:25.53 | karsten | arnau: In practice, if you've updated the zonefiles, some apps won't re-read these properly, and some times may be improperly reported (eg: in logfiles). |
| 17:25.54 | enouf | who knows :-P |
| 17:25.56 | valdyn | arnau: sure, but not physically |
| 17:26.05 | kaeles | how do i rehup inet.d? |
| 17:26.07 | enouf | Yggdrasil: why bother |
| 17:26.10 | kaeles | i feel silly :P |
| 17:26.10 | Yggdrasil | but on the freenode net. |
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| 17:26.18 | xjkx | Where can i find examples of the use of monolitics/hibrid-kernel and so on? Like errm, a calculator-hardware would use what? Get the point? |
| 17:26.27 | Yggdrasil | enouf im confused. what are you talking about ? |
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| 17:26.34 | wols | calculator hardware with kernels? |
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| 17:26.42 | wols | and: how does this relate to debian? |
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| 17:26.48 | karsten | arnau: zdump on the relevant tzinfo file may also give you specifics. |
| 17:27.00 | enouf | Yggdrasil: why have multiple nicks that are always re - joining? |
| 17:27.07 | Yggdrasil | uh |
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| 17:27.11 | Yggdrasil | i dont think i do |
| 17:27.19 | Yggdrasil | what are they called ? |
| 17:27.22 | Yggdrasil | thier nicks ? |
| 17:27.24 | xjkx | wols, its just a guessing :> |
| 17:27.24 | valdyn | xjkx: any kernel today is small enough to fit into any new hardware, what kind of 'calculator' are you talking about, when watches can easily contain a full fledged unix |
| 17:27.29 | enouf | Yggdrasil: we ll then you are pwned :-P |
| 17:27.31 | arnau | karsten, ok I'll have a look to the time's source code |
| 17:27.41 | enouf | Yggdrasil: run r00tkit |
| 17:27.42 | Yggdrasil | enouf in this # ? |
| 17:27.44 | arnau | to understand better how this works |
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| 17:27.56 | xjkx | valdyn, the simplest one, " + - * / " |
| 17:28.13 | wols | xjkx: that'has no kernels |
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| 17:28.23 | valdyn | xjkx: no multitaksing, so not modern os in any sense |
| 17:28.23 | wols | it's all built into a chip |
| 17:28.24 | enouf | Yggdrasil: nevermind .. I can't recall all the specifics if you're going to play "st00pid" |
| 17:28.32 | valdyn | xjkx: no multitaksing, so no modern kernel in any sense |
| 17:28.46 | Yggdrasil | well im not playing stupid, i dont ever come in here. |
| 17:28.52 | valdyn | xjkx: in fact, that could be one monolithic block of code, and probably is |
| 17:28.53 | xjkx | valdyn, what kernel wouldn't be modern then? |
| 17:28.55 | Yggdrasil | but im on freenode quite alot so it could be in #ubuntu perhaps |
| 17:29.01 | valdyn | xjkx: ms-dos? |
| 17:29.02 | enouf | but you have atleast 3 nicks? |
| 17:29.04 | Yggdrasil | but im moving around alot, sometimes it happens |
| 17:29.14 | Yggdrasil | i move from work to home to the couple of didfferent workstaions |
| 17:29.19 | enouf | in #debian? |
| 17:29.20 | Yggdrasil | upstairs down |
| 17:29.23 | Yggdrasil | no never in debain |
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| 17:29.25 | Yggdrasil | rarely |
| 17:29.27 | xjkx | valdyn, isn't msdos monolitic? |
| 17:29.35 | enouf | Yggdrasil: then nm |
| 17:29.38 | valdyn | xjkx: its no real kernel at all |
| 17:29.40 | Yggdrasil | keep an eye on it and let me know when u see somethign goign on.. |
| 17:29.57 | Yggdrasil | other people like this nick too |
| 17:30.02 | enouf | John or Joe or somebody Yggdrasil |
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| 17:30.13 | xjkx | valdyn, msdos is monoprogrammed right? |
| 17:30.22 | Yggdrasil | enouf are you refering to my hostmask ? or nick ? |
| 17:30.26 | valdyn | xjkx: whatever that is supposed to mean |
| 17:30.27 | sputnick | who can give output of "ls -l /usr/sbin/chroot" ? |
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| 17:30.46 | enouf | Yggdrasil: i have no idea .. but whatever it is .. it disrupts the cahnnel |
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| 17:31.12 | enouf | Yggdrasil: signoff/signon |
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| 17:31.27 | valdyn | xjkx: ms-dos has no memory protection at all. in that case there's no such thing as monolothic vs micro kernel |
| 17:31.39 | valdyn | xjkx: but this is OT.. |
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| 17:31.53 | Yggdrasil | ? |
| 17:32.21 | enouf | Yggdrasil: not literally .. it's when you bots constantly signoff/on .. duh |
| 17:32.21 | bronze_0_1 | Yggdrasil: are/were you part of the Yggdrasil distro/company? |
| 17:32.49 | enouf | Yggdrasil: forget it .. nm |
| 17:32.51 | Yggdrasil | bronze, no just study mythology |
| 17:32.53 | Yggdrasil | ok |
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| 17:32.59 | Yggdrasil | consider it forgotten. |
| 17:33.10 | bronze_0_1 | ah, save the trees! er "tree". |
| 17:33.18 | Yggdrasil | hehe yar |
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| 17:34.02 | gentgeen__ | when I make changes to inetd.conf -- what command should I run so the changes take effect? |
| 17:34.21 | ma3x | what package is 'dig' in? |
| 17:34.33 | karsten | gentgeen__: /etc/init.d/inetd reload |
| 17:34.36 | valdyn | ma3x: search? |
| 17:34.41 | valdyn | !tell ma3x -about search |
| 17:34.48 | ma3x | valdyn: it gives me thousand results |
| 17:34.56 | valdyn | ma3x: bin/dig |
| 17:35.07 | ma3x | valdyn: explain your bin/dig |
| 17:35.15 | ma3x | ooh, bin packages /dig ? |
| 17:35.17 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-file search bin/dig |
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| 17:35.28 | ma3x | oh ok, that's something |
| 17:35.34 | gentgeen__ | karsten, I don't have that (sorry, should have said I am on Etch - if that helps) |
| 17:36.21 | valdyn | gentgeen__: /etc/init.d/*inetd reload |
| 17:37.23 | ma3x | valdyn: do you know if 'nslookup' is getting deprecated? or was it dig or host? |
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| 17:39.22 | perlmonkey | reading works ya |
| 17:39.24 | kaeles | i just use a smoothwall box |
| 17:39.25 | kaeles | :P |
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| 17:40.07 | perlmonkey | my server seems waaaaay faster since upgrading debian |
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| 17:40.26 | perlmonkey | internet access is a lot faster |
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| 17:42.15 | kaeles | wtf |
| 17:42.18 | kaeles | i reboot |
| 17:42.20 | kaeles | and it works fine |
| 17:42.21 | kaeles | lol |
| 17:42.27 | perlmonke1 | hehe the magic of reboot |
| 17:42.32 | kaeles | gah |
| 17:42.33 | perlmonke1 | problem solver |
| 17:42.37 | AlteKiet | I found out that when I press and hold alt in a terminal and type a number N, the non-numeric character that is typed next, is repeated N times... Now what is that useful for?? |
| 17:42.59 | perlmonke1 | puters are complex fings |
| 17:44.46 | haggz | I've discovered saying "the hardware needed to be power cycled" helps a lot with client billing, relative to "i just turned it off and then on again" |
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| 17:45.27 | kaeles | gah |
| 17:45.29 | Mooi | if I edit /etc/crontab, how do I make it work/apply? |
| 17:45.38 | kaeles | now my client still can't connect to the tftp |
| 17:45.40 | kaeles | :( |
| 17:45.53 | valdyn | Mooi: why edit /etc/crontab? |
| 17:46.06 | valdyn | Mooi: /etc/init.d/cron reload |
| 17:46.09 | Mooi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.11 | bzed | valdyn: why not? :P |
| 17:46.34 | valdyn | bzed: im blindly guesing that he should use his user crontab or /etc/cron.d/ |
| 17:46.52 | bzed | valdyn: there;re always 34543 ways to the same goal |
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| 17:47.19 | valdyn | bzed: yes, and editing system config files where not needed adds work each time that file is updated by debian |
| 17:47.27 | Mooi | valdyn: did that, and still doesnt do anything |
| 17:47.41 | kaeles | gah |
| 17:47.45 | bzed | valdyn: /etc/crontab won't be updated |
| 17:47.49 | kaeles | i even tried restarting portmap |
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| 17:47.56 | kaeles | maybe i should edit the config... |
| 17:47.58 | Mooi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.04 | bzed | no |
| 17:48.23 | bzed | man 5 crontab |
| 17:48.25 | bzed | read that |
| 17:48.27 | Mooi | ok |
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| 17:49.35 | valdyn | bzed: like now he might have broken his cron where that's totally unnecessary |
| 17:50.03 | bzed | valdyn: luckily you don't break linux' cron by adding broken entried |
| 17:50.06 | bzed | *entries |
| 17:50.13 | bzed | that's a solaris feature |
| 17:50.16 | valdyn | bzed: luckily |
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| 17:52.27 | dogmeat | how can i change a partitions id ? e.g. from /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda1 ? |
| 17:52.39 | dogmeat | was looking at fdisk, seems to be an option there |
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| 17:59.18 | eyalw | connected a d-link dwl-120+ wireless card to my macbook, it was said that ubuntu will support it out of the box (acx) but i dont see any new interfaces on iwconfig/ifconfig |
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| 18:00.18 | Ronin | eyalw: ubuntu? |
| 18:01.07 | eyalw | Ronin: yes |
| 18:01.27 | Ronin | eyalw: then perhaps #ubuntu would be better suited to help you |
| 18:01.39 | Ronin | assuming you run it of course |
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| 18:04.40 | bzed | eyalw: you could use debian etch, though. afaik it just supports the card |
| 18:04.52 | abrotman | or he could just ask #ubuntu :) |
| 18:05.05 | abrotman | !acx110 |
| 18:05.06 | dpkg | well, acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:05.32 | bzed | debian has packages for it :D |
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| 18:06.26 | HostilePenguin | any one know how to change resolutions in kdm? |
| 18:06.55 | abrotman | bzed: and ubuntu probably has it already done |
| 18:07.14 | wols | bzed: not out of the box. I have such a card |
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| 18:07.24 | perlmonke1 | whats the current status of NFS 4 |
| 18:07.29 | eyalw | bzed: acx is installed on ubuntu and is documented to support dlink 120, why dosent it work |
| 18:07.42 | eyalw | bzed: can u help me troubleshoot? |
| 18:07.51 | wols | eyalw: ifconfig -a. you should see a wlan0 |
| 18:07.58 | wols | now go back to |
| 18:07.59 | eyalw | wols: i dont |
| 18:08.01 | perlmonke1 | and where is the nfs-utils package |
| 18:08.02 | bzed | eyalw: ask #ubuntu :) |
| 18:08.02 | wols | to #ubuntu |
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| 18:08.06 | wols | this is the wrong channel for you |
| 18:08.19 | bzed | !bite eyalw |
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| 18:08.21 | eyalw | bzed: #ubuntu arent responsive as u are : ) |
| 18:08.35 | wols | abrotman: why is the factoid named that way? iirc there is a acx100 and acx111, no 110 I know of |
| 18:08.45 | wols | eyalw: we aren't anymore. now go back |
| 18:08.49 | abrotman | !acx111 |
| 18:08.49 | dpkg | somebody said acx100 was wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:08.52 | wols | or better: install debian |
| 18:09.03 | bzed | eyalw: ubuntu is a lot not, but we don;t know how ubuntu molestated that driver |
| 18:09.04 | abrotman | happy ? |
| 18:09.05 | abrotman | wols: there ise also 110 IIRC |
| 18:09.25 | wols | bzed: the same way they molested debian :P |
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| 18:09.37 | bzed | wols: ubuntu molests them all! |
| 18:09.51 | perlmonke1 | acx1## devices may require firmware |
| 18:09.52 | eyalw | can you help a new linux user for the sake of open source? |
| 18:09.55 | pickcoder | mindframe_: did you get that ndis driver working? |
| 18:10.03 | wols | abrotman: all I see on google are what looks to be typos |
| 18:10.05 | wols | perlmonke1: it does |
| 18:10.16 | bzed | eyalw: which card do you have? |
| 18:10.18 | wols | eyalw: no |
| 18:10.23 | perlmonke1 | i managed to get mine working but had to hunt down the firmware |
| 18:10.29 | eyalw | bzed: /community/WifiDocs |
| 18:10.31 | Harzilein | hmm... it looks like ide-scsi got dropped from debian kernals > 2.6.8, though i need it for a lirc driver to work (creative infra cdrom), i wonder if dropping the module has been because some arrogant person assuming people just use it for burning and there's no longer any need for it |
| 18:10.39 | Harzilein | s/kernal/kernel/ |
| 18:10.48 | eyalw | bzed: opps d-link dwl-120+ |
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| 18:11.44 | bzed | which chipset eyalw |
| 18:11.45 | eyalw | bzed: ? |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | wols: don't ask me damn it .. i'm american .. we only know about guns! |
| 18:11.48 | wols | bzed: fyi, it's usb |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | and butter! |
| 18:11.49 | easytiger | using autofs on the client, why when i /net/hostname/ i get a list of the exports |
| 18:11.51 | eyalw | bzed: i've got macbook 2GHz |
| 18:11.53 | bzed | eyalw: which chipset does the card use? |
| 18:12.04 | wols | abrotman: don#t forget the apple pie |
| 18:12.05 | easytiger | but inside each one in says invalid directoy |
| 18:12.07 | wols | I want my apple pie from you! |
| 18:12.09 | bzed | eyalw: run lspci and find it out |
| 18:12.12 | bzed | !pie wols |
| 18:12.21 | wols | that's cream! apple dammit! |
| 18:12.22 | abrotman | wols: stew made it! PS: stew: not that important |
| 18:12.28 | eyalw | its probebly documented on dlink, i dont know. i know the model name, isnt it enough? |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | wols: i don't know why . .maybe he typoed it |
| 18:12.30 | bzed | !apple pie |
| 18:12.52 | pickcoder | mm pie pie pie |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | wols: he actually made acx110 and acx111 .. oh well |
| 18:13.09 | bzed | dpkg, apple pie is what wols likes, similar to american pie. |
| 18:13.09 | dpkg | okay, bzed |
| 18:13.29 | abrotman | !cheesesteak wols |
| 18:13.32 | bzed | eyalw: run lspci and find it out |
| 18:14.50 | |capiira | anyone know a decent ftp client with a gui? |
| 18:14.50 | abrotman | wols: mostly the same thing :) |
| 18:14.51 | abrotman | |capiira: which WM/DE ? |
| 18:14.51 | bzed | |capiira: yes |
| 18:14.51 | |capiira | im on google |
| 18:14.51 | eyalw | bzed: what should i look for on lspci, i dont see any mention of d-link |
| 18:14.51 | |capiira | ups |
| 18:14.51 | |capiira | gnome |
| 18:14.51 | |capiira | hehe |
| 18:14.51 | wols | abrotman: of course it's all the same driver. but I really never heard of acx110 |
| 18:14.52 | wols | bzed: don't answer please. or he never goes away |
| 18:14.52 | abrotman | |capiira: nautilus can do FTP |
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| 18:14.52 | wols | |capiira: gftp? |
| 18:14.52 | |capiira | yeah but im searching for something with queue and sitelist |
| 18:14.53 | easytiger | "Mount <sdfsdf> failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" what permission is it talking about? |
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| 18:14.59 | wols | but nothing beats lftp and ncftp |
| 18:15.01 | |capiira | a real ftp app |
| 18:15.02 | bzed | eyalw: something like network for example? take that line and molestate google with ubuntu and the mentioned chipset. |
| 18:15.10 | russo | if i install bind9 it'll start automatically on bootup correct? |
| 18:15.12 | eyalw | wols: wow, u sound like a windows user |
| 18:15.12 | bzed | eyalw: or molestate #ubuntu |
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| 18:15.28 | |capiira | ncftp and lftp have a gui ? |
| 18:15.33 | pickcoder | why ftp? |
| 18:15.36 | wols | eyalw: you sound like an ubuntutard who comes here for help while it's expressly mentioned in the topic |
| 18:15.39 | russo | i mean in debian deamons are autostarted or no? |
| 18:15.43 | bzed | eyalw: and you sound like a n00b who can;t understand that debian is NOT ubuntu and we have no clue what the hell ubuntu does with debian's apckages. |
| 18:15.56 | bzed | russo: most, not all. depends on the daemon |
| 18:16.02 | easytiger | lftp is awsome without a gui |
| 18:16.02 | perlmonke1 | I have no /etc/exports file |
| 18:16.04 | wols | |capiira: ncurses is like a gui, no? |
| 18:16.12 | bzed | perlmonke1: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 18:16.15 | |capiira | dunno |
| 18:16.15 | russo | bzed: but bind9? |
| 18:16.16 | eyalw | bzed: maybe, but atlist i got open source spirit : ) |
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| 18:16.22 | perlmonke1 | bzed: thanks :) |
| 18:16.43 | wols | eyalw: if the open source spirit is leeching of other people, then yes. ESR will really like you |
| 18:16.51 | bzed | eyalw: you need to figure out which chipset your card has, which can;t be that hard, and then you use google. there's a howto for sure |
| 18:17.02 | bzed | !esr |
| 18:17.02 | dpkg | from memory, esr is a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000" |
| 18:17.02 | abrotman | or he could ask #ubuntu or #wireless |
| 18:17.11 | wols | !open source |
| 18:17.11 | dpkg | While free software by any other name would give you the same freedom, it makes a big difference which name we use: different words convey different ideas. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for an explanation. s.d. |
| 18:17.35 | hark | !freedom |
| 18:17.35 | dpkg | freedom is probably the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
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| 18:17.40 | bzed | !die |
| 18:17.40 | dpkg | I'll murder you bzed! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 18:17.55 | hark | heh |
| 18:18.01 | wols | dpkg really has antisocial tendencies |
| 18:18.14 | russo | bzed: also speaking of nfs... which one should i install to get nfsd? |
| 18:18.15 | abrotman | fuck the damn bot |
| 18:18.19 | xingu | Harzilein: libata supports atapi; the missing link is probably your ir-ide adapter being ported to the libata framework. |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:18.24 | bzed | russo: nfs-kernel-server |
| 18:18.29 | bzed | !suck abrotman |
| 18:18.33 | wols | abrotman: I always _knew_ you were a pervert :P |
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| 18:18.53 | SpComb | !botsnack |
| 18:18.53 | dpkg | :), SpComb |
| 18:19.03 | russo | and something easier to manage remotely |
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| 18:19.16 | russo | basically i just wanted apt-get :P |
| 18:19.24 | bzed | russo: did you isntall sarge or etch? |
| 18:19.30 | russo | sarge |
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| 18:19.41 | xingu | Harzilein: although I must say the concept of running atapi over sir/fir fills me with nausea. :) |
| 18:19.47 | bzed | russo: then you can learn a lot while updating t etch :P |
| 18:20.06 | russo | why is it worth it? |
| 18:20.19 | russo | this is just my file/print/dns server |
| 18:20.21 | bzed | russo: definitely. and it'll be the new stable in a few weeks |
| 18:20.30 | russo | argh |
| 18:20.35 | bzed | well |
| 18:20.42 | bzed | for files print dns at home |
| 18:20.43 | russo | whats cupsd called in debian |
| 18:20.45 | bzed | sarge will be fine |
| 18:20.47 | russo | these names are killing me |
| 18:20.48 | bzed | I gues |
| 18:20.55 | bzed | !tell russo about search |
| 18:20.58 | SpComb | upgrading sarge to etch is pretty painless |
| 18:21.02 | SpComb | sarge to sid less so |
| 18:21.12 | russo | aye ty bzed |
| 18:21.26 | perlmonke1 | is nfs-utils packaged in nfs-kernel-server? I can't find it as a separate package |
| 18:21.42 | bzed | perlmonke1: what are nfs utils for you? |
| 18:21.58 | bzed | nfs-common probably |
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| 18:22.06 | bzed | which will be installed as dependency of nfs-kernekl-server |
| 18:22.08 | perlmonke1 | the nfs-howto keeps making reference to them |
| 18:22.16 | perlmonke1 | ok |
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| 18:22.54 | xingu | Harzilein: oic, the cdrom is an ordinary device that has a ir reciever; and I'm guessing that the driver is written to use atapi-over-scsi tunnelling to get at it. |
| 18:23.45 | Harzilein | xingu: yup |
| 18:23.56 | xingu | Harzilein: gross. :) |
| 18:24.06 | pickcoder | is the kernel stack 8KB by default? |
| 18:24.27 | russo | bzed: you kind of disappointed me with the etch becoming stable bit |
| 18:24.35 | Harzilein | xingu: i can actually point at the code location so if the api is the same and i just need to change some hardcoded things i'd prefer that as well |
| 18:24.36 | russo | i just made a lightscribe sarge dvd :// |
| 18:24.50 | pickcoder | \o/ |
| 18:24.53 | pickcoder | is it pretty? |
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| 18:25.06 | Harzilein | xingu: but if it is too cumbersome i'd really really prefer i could just add an ignore= option to ide-cdrom |
| 18:25.14 | Harzilein | xingu: and then load ide-scsi for it |
| 18:26.03 | Harzilein | russo: what input file did you use? |
| 18:26.50 | bzed | russo: I think for nfs, bind and cups sarge will be just fine. you'll want to think about upgrading if the server as ports open to the wide world, though. security support for sarge will end... in .. uh... 2 years I think, not sure when exactly |
| 18:27.23 | russo | inputfile for what? |
| 18:27.40 | Harzilein | russo: the lightscribe image |
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| 18:27.56 | russo | what do you mean? what image i used? |
| 18:27.59 | russo | i made one |
| 18:28.07 | BlueParrot | uhm, have I understood this correctly? To add myself to sudoers so I can use sudo instead of runing as root I just need to add: BlueParrot ALL = (ALL) ALL at the end oof /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 18:28.30 | BlueParrot | assuming BlueParrot is my username |
| 18:28.33 | russo | BlueParrot: add yourself to wheel instead |
| 18:28.41 | russo | and add the group wheel to sudoers |
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| 18:28.53 | russo | its more correct way of going about it |
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| 18:28.59 | xingu | Harzilein: depends on what layer you're looking at, but yes an atapi device should be recognised as such and be connected onto the recieving end of libata-scsi.c:ata_scsi_ioctl() by way of the scsi midlayer. |
| 18:29.11 | Harzilein | xingu: http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=show:IrqNDDbQ5Sw:nYZ-YIGOiac:pNHJ_uK0n0Y |
| 18:29.34 | russo | BlueParrot: then add this line %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 18:29.35 | BlueParrot | russo: oh , ok , do I basically do the same thing but use the group name instead ? |
| 18:29.40 | perlmonke1 | where are the "startup scripts"? |
| 18:29.55 | russo | BlueParrot: you may need to run addgroup to add wheel |
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| 18:29.59 | BlueParrot | so that is all I need to add to sudoers ? |
| 18:30.02 | russo | and then edit /etc/group |
| 18:30.04 | xingu | Harzilein: nb some scsi ioctls are emulated and only validated/known atapi commands are issued |
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| 18:30.12 | russo | BlueParrot: just this -> %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 18:30.19 | leme-twra | any greek here |
| 18:30.24 | azeem | !gr |
| 18:30.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
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| 18:30.26 | russo | BlueParrot: obviously don't remove anything |
| 18:30.31 | russo | !ru |
| 18:30.32 | dpkg | well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:30.44 | russo | :D |
| 18:30.49 | azeem | russo: huh? |
| 18:30.59 | bzed | !me |
| 18:31.04 | russo | i'm glad theres a russian debian channel |
| 18:31.06 | azeem | please /msg the bot. |
| 18:31.07 | russo | !ch |
| 18:31.08 | dpkg | hmm... ch is Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica |
| 18:31.09 | BlueParrot | russo: ok, thanks |
| 18:31.12 | azeem | russo: please /msg the bot. |
| 18:31.16 | russo | oh ok |
| 18:31.19 | russo | sorry azeem |
| 18:31.20 | leme-twra | any greek here |
| 18:31.23 | azeem | russo: no problem |
| 18:31.28 | azeem | leme-twra: go to #debian.gr |
| 18:31.29 | bzed | !tell leme-twra about gr |
| 18:32.14 | moun | hi, everybody.Need some help. could someone tell me why my eth doesn't connect at boot time? I have to do an ifup. thanks for help |
| 18:32.15 | Harzilein | xingu: i have almost no clue but when i asked in ircnet #debian.de yesterday someone else had the same device and now that the effort would not be just for me i feel i might do some research... just getting ide-scsi back would of course appeal to the lazy part of me ;) |
| 18:32.41 | russo | do packages like "samba-common" install with their parent package? |
| 18:33.36 | russo | is it easy to update to 2.6kernels on debian? |
| 18:33.42 | azeem | yes |
| 18:33.45 | russo | i usually just dl vanilla and recompile |
| 18:33.45 | russo | :P |
| 18:33.45 | xingu | Harzilein: if you're using libata ata drivers you should be able to just probe sg_mod and get on with life |
| 18:33.50 | azeem | russo: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:33.53 | russo | sarge |
| 18:33.56 | russo | i need 2.6 |
| 18:34.03 | russo | i need a program that requires iptable |
| 18:34.03 | Harzilein | xingu: libata? never heard of that ;) |
| 18:34.03 | russo | s |
| 18:34.08 | azeem | then apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 18:34.12 | sprink | russo: It's about as easy as installing any other package |
| 18:34.17 | Harzilein | xingu: is there something that should appear in dmesg? |
| 18:34.45 | russo | how can i get aptitude to show multiple results |
| 18:34.46 | xingu | Harzilein: 2.6.18+, not sure it's a default in debian yet; lsmod | grep ata |
| 18:34.51 | russo | it always gives me just the first one |
| 18:34.59 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~/lirc-0.8.0/daemons$ lsmod | grep ata |
| 18:34.59 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~/lirc-0.8.0/daemons$ |
| 18:35.00 | russo | i mean i search with / |
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| 18:35.15 | sprink | russo: use 'n' to repeat that search |
| 18:35.27 | bzed | afaik the debian kernel uses the old pata stuff |
| 18:35.29 | xingu | Harzilein: what ide chipset is it? |
| 18:35.41 | Harzilein | xingu: is libata just an alternative framework for atapi cdroms or would i need to switch my harddisks over to it as well |
| 18:35.43 | xingu | bzed: seems as if ata_piix at least is present in 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:35.44 | Harzilein | xingu: mom |
| 18:35.53 | russo | thanks sprink |
| 18:35.55 | streuner | Harzilein: you're using a custom kernel, right? |
| 18:35.56 | Harzilein | SIS5513: SiS735 ATA 100 (2nd gen) controller |
| 18:36.00 | Harzilein | streuner: no |
| 18:36.01 | bzed | russo: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 18:36.17 | bzed | Harzilein: that's a sata controller? |
| 18:36.17 | Harzilein | streuner: linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 18:36.27 | Harzilein | bzed: no |
| 18:36.33 | xingu | Harzilein: the whole shebang; libata provides ata and sata transports that the scsi mid layer can use to get things done |
| 18:37.23 | Harzilein | xingu: is it safe to switch everything to that? will my devices appear as sgx again (i think that's ugly)? |
| 18:37.43 | Harzilein | libata version 2.00 loaded. |
| 18:37.49 | xingu | Harzilein: your hdd's will move to sdx |
| 18:37.50 | bzed | Harzilein: PATA support in libata is still experimental, I'd not do that |
| 18:37.55 | russo | what are the archetecture specific kernels? are they just kernels compiled with proper cflags? |
| 18:38.16 | Harzilein | bzed: can i specify which devices get moved? |
| 18:38.21 | bzed | russo: you can choose the architectur to optimize a kernel for in the kernel config |
| 18:38.41 | Harzilein | bzed: i assume it did not move anything to it now because stuff is already taken by ide-cdrom and ide-disk |
| 18:38.47 | bzed | Harzilein: you can't, either use libata with a controller or not |
| 18:38.48 | bahadunn | bzed: thanks for trying to help but I am not newbie |
| 18:38.55 | xingu | Harzilein: a given controller type will use one stack or the other. |
| 18:39.11 | xingu | Harzilein: ie, it's not a device-level issue |
| 18:39.14 | Harzilein | xingu: then this isn't the right solution i guess :( |
| 18:39.31 | bzed | bahadunn: then you'd know how to do it |
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| 18:39.39 | xingu | so, the rock is not wanting to move with the times ;) and the hard place is having to compile your own kernel just to get ide-scsi back |
| 18:39.51 | xingu | and you're caught betwixt |
| 18:40.27 | bzed | Harzilein: why do you want to move stuff at all? what does not work? |
| 18:40.32 | russo | afterwards do i just need to do apt-get install kernel? and its good to go? |
| 18:40.37 | russo | or should i run grub again? |
| 18:40.48 | xingu | bzed: he has a creative labs cdrom that's an atapi device with an infrared port |
| 18:40.57 | bzed | russo: apt-get install kernel-iamge-whateveryouneed, grub should be updated automatically |
| 18:41.36 | xingu | bzed: there's a usermode client that uses sg->scsi->atapi for the ir port |
| 18:41.55 | russo | bzed: this is why i'm trying debian :P i have ssh on my phone... and i use my server remotely all the time |
| 18:42.15 | bzed | russo: I wanna have a phone with ssh, too :P |
| 18:42.21 | xingu | bzed: ... and finally, it seems that ide-scsi is gone now. :) |
| 18:42.28 | bahadunn | bzed: there is a bug in the installer or in mdadm for sarge in terms of software raid 1 |
| 18:42.43 | bahadunn | bzed: it has nothing to do with if I know how to install software raid 1 or not |
| 18:42.46 | bzed | bahadunn: where? |
| 18:42.53 | bahadunn | bzed: where what? |
| 18:42.56 | bzed | is the bug |
| 18:43.10 | Harzilein | xingu: any chance for a wishlist bugreport explaining the issue getting ide-scsi back in again? i can imagine the reason for it being dropped (less support confusion), but i think until stuff is transparent, it might have some value for legacy support |
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| 18:43.21 | bahadunn | bzed: I dont know where exactly it is |
| 18:43.24 | bzed | Harzilein: NO chance |
| 18:43.32 | fausto | can i ask a question about libapache-mod-suphp |
| 18:43.36 | bzed | bahadunn: well what are you doing, nand so on |
| 18:43.38 | fausto | i have installed it with apt-get |
| 18:43.40 | fausto | all good |
| 18:43.52 | bahadunn | bzed: I have already solved the problem thanks |
| 18:43.53 | bzed | Harzilein: ide-scsi was a piece of CRAP |
| 18:43.57 | fausto | i have inserted into configuration all directives |
| 18:44.06 | bzed | !enter |
| 18:44.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 18:44.15 | fausto | i have writed the /etc/suphp/suphp.conf file |
| 18:44.17 | bzed | fausto: ^^^^ read that please |
| 18:44.37 | fausto | ok bzed but can you help me |
| 18:44.47 | Harzilein | xingu: that libata-scsi-midlevel... uh, thingy..., is it necessary in every case or do i just need heavier changes to the userland program if i can't use it? |
| 18:44.57 | bzed | fausto: I think nobody knows where you problem is, so I can't answer that |
| 18:45.02 | bahadunn | everytime I come into #debian there is some new asshole |
| 18:45.04 | bahadunn | ah well |
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| 18:45.18 | streuner | haha |
| 18:45.18 | Harzilein | afk for a minute |
| 18:45.32 | BlueParrot | wee , it works : ) |
| 18:46.14 | fausto | suphp is correcly configured on suphp.conf file and on httpd.conf file but seems not handle php script. it doesn't work at all and doesn't write logs |
| 18:46.40 | bahadunn | I need to stick around more cause every time I come back all the new "debian experts" in here think I am newbie |
| 18:47.03 | perlmonke1 | how do I mount a cd created in windows |
| 18:47.21 | streuner | man mount? |
| 18:47.32 | Harzilein | perlmonke1: the same as you mount any other cd |
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| 18:47.38 | bahadunn | using the same nick all the time would probably help too |
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| 18:47.43 | bzed | bahadunn: you neither say what your exact problem is, nor what you're exactly doing and complain about beeing linked to a howto about installing sarge on a raid1? |
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| 18:48.00 | bahadunn | bzed: yep |
| 18:48.06 | mindframe | hrmm startfluxbox is yielding "Warning: Failed to open file(/usr/share/fluxbox/nls/en_US/fluxbox.cat) for translation, using default messages. what's causing this? |
| 18:48.11 | mindframe | rather, how can i fix it? |
| 18:48.17 | mindframe | some language package i need? |
| 18:48.25 | bzed | bahadunn: I doubt anybody is able to help you then, because somebody took away our mind reading powers |
| 18:48.44 | bahadunn | bzed: as I said the problem is solved |
| 18:48.49 | sprink | bzed is a liar.. he never had mind reading powers |
| 18:48.52 | smacnay | How does one stop a initrd boot from loading the nvidiafb driver? I don't want it but it loads. I am adding 'vga=ask' or 'vga=vesafb' to my /boot/grub/menu.lst but to no avail. |
| 18:48.54 | bahadunn | bzed: I do not require help anymore |
| 18:49.21 | bzed | smacnay: grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:49.22 | Anthro | Anyone know anything about the dancer-services package? I'm running dancer-ircd and dancer-services and I have them talking, but I can't get ChanServ to "guard" a channel. It says that it is disabled. |
| 18:49.24 | hark | it's video=vesafb |
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| 18:49.36 | bzed | fausto: what do you exactly want to do? |
| 18:49.44 | bahadunn | the bug is that when creating raid partitions on 2 drives and then actually creating the md devices one of the drive's partitions would disappear |
| 18:49.49 | bzed | fausto: just use php on your webserver, or do you really need suphp? |
| 18:49.50 | bahadunn | definately a bug |
| 18:49.52 | Anthro | smacnay: See if it's in /etc/modules. If so, comment it out. |
| 18:50.03 | nkuttler | bahadunn: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:50.06 | smacnay | Anthro: no, not there - i checked that already |
| 18:50.19 | bahadunn | could be related to the hardware I was running on as I only seen this once before on similar hardware |
| 18:50.26 | Anthro | smacnay: Are you using hotplug or discover or something? |
| 18:50.30 | kaeles_ | wtf |
| 18:50.30 | bahadunn | nkuttler: dont need to msg dpkg now as problem is fixed thanks |
| 18:50.30 | smacnay | grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:50.34 | smacnay | oops |
| 18:50.39 | kaeles_ | it keeps saying pxe error, arp error |
| 18:50.41 | fausto | bzed, yes my users can't delete files created by php script |
| 18:50.45 | bzed | bahadunn: never run into that bug, thiough. but as I said before, ther etch installer si times better than the srge one |
| 18:50.45 | kaeles_ | but i know im giving the correct ip |
| 18:50.51 | kaeles_ | :( |
| 18:50.55 | kaeles_ | stupid tftp crap |
| 18:50.55 | bahadunn | bzed: yes I agree |
| 18:51.03 | fausto | because they have www-data as owner |
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| 18:51.05 | bzed | bahadunn: I'd not use the sarge installer bug knoppix or any other live cd and debootstrap |
| 18:51.06 | bahadunn | bzed: if I recall correctly etch installed perfectly on the same server |
| 18:51.08 | nkuttler | bahadunn: yeah. so you fixed a problem and don't care if any debian user is going to run into the same. nice. |
| 18:51.21 | bahadunn | bzed: although it might have been a daily release of etch installer |
| 18:51.23 | smacnay | Anthro: I believe I am using udev and some sort of hotpplug-like mechanism. |
| 18:51.46 | bahadunn | nkuttler: I doubt another debian user will run into this problem |
| 18:51.53 | bahadunn | nkuttler: especially with etch so close to release |
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| 18:52.00 | smacnay | Anthro: I see that hotplug is not installed. |
| 18:52.12 | smacnay | Anthro: udev is |
| 18:52.23 | Anthro | smacnay: I think there is a way to blacklist modules in hotplug. Of course, another way is to rename the actual module so the kernel doesn't find it. I doubt it's in the actual ramdisk. |
| 18:52.24 | russo | bzed: what kind of phone do you have? if you have k750/w800i (i have a w800i) then you can dl midpssh |
| 18:52.28 | bahadunn | nkuttler: the problem does not exist in recent etch installer by the way |
| 18:52.33 | bahadunn | nkuttler: so no worries |
| 18:52.38 | bzed | fausto: can't help yu with that unfortunately. also your users should have write permissions in their home directories, so that shouldn;t be a problem at all |
| 18:52.50 | Anthro | smacnay: I think there is some similar blacklisting mechanism for udev. I don't know, never had to use it. |
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| 18:53.17 | fausto | mmm |
| 18:53.34 | bahadunn | smacnay: if you have udev you do not want hotplug package installed |
| 18:53.40 | bzed | russo: I have a dumb old siemens (well, it's great because it's still alive and not broken :D) but that can;t run anything |
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| 18:53.49 | bahadunn | smacnay: you should be getting a warning that hotplug package is installed and that you should purge it |
| 18:53.51 | fausto | bzed, there are many other problems but i'm solving ;> i'm reading docs |
| 18:53.57 | smacnay | bahadunn: no, hotplug is not installed. I have udev. |
| 18:54.01 | bahadunn | smacnay: ok good |
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| 18:54.16 | smacnay | bahadunn: I want to stop the boot process from loading the nvidiafb module. |
| 18:54.23 | h3sp4wn | !blacklist |
| 18:54.24 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:54.50 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: Are you certain its compiled as a module (you haven't built your own kernel with it in statically) |
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| 18:55.33 | bzed | smacnay: did you provide me what I've asked you for? |
| 18:55.38 | bzed | smacnay: grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:55.43 | bahadunn | smacnay: ah I see |
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| 18:56.00 | bahadunn | smacnay: you are trying to install nvidia driver and have found that nvidiafb conflicts? |
| 18:56.03 | omg2 | bzed: my etch update is running ok |
| 18:56.03 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: no, this is a .deb kernel I downloaded. I would never build it in a kernel. |
| 18:56.11 | fausto | -DOPT_CONFIGFILE=\"/usr/etc/suphp.conf\" i see this during make |
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| 18:56.25 | bzed | smacnay: where did you download the kernel? |
| 18:56.32 | bzed | fausto: why the hell are you runnign make? |
| 18:56.32 | smacnay | bahadunn: my system boots into the nvidiafb console which conflicts with the nvidia X driver. |
| 18:56.39 | smacnay | bzed: from Debian |
| 18:56.43 | fausto | but it is wrong... i have used /etc/suphp.conf as configfile |
| 18:56.44 | bzed | smacnay: ah ok. |
| 18:56.52 | fausto | bzed, i'm recompiling from sources |
| 18:56.53 | fausto | ... |
| 18:56.53 | bzed | smacnay: grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst << when will you do that? tomorrow? |
| 18:56.56 | bzed | fausto: why? |
| 18:57.07 | bahadunn | smacnay: yes I know |
| 18:57.07 | bzed | fausto: to bring yourself into more trouble? |
| 18:57.18 | bahadunn | smacnay: you can blacklist the nvidiafb driver |
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| 18:57.26 | fausto | bzed, only a try. i loose all day configuring and testing this sh** |
| 18:57.32 | bahadunn | smacnay: udev has a blacklisting facility |
| 18:57.44 | bzed | fausto: did you read /usr/share/doc/libapache.... ? |
| 18:57.48 | bahadunn | smacnay: maybe /usr/share/doc/udev or man udev will provide some information for you |
| 18:58.16 | bahadunn | smacnay: you could also compile your own kernel and fine tune it just for your system so its lean and fast etc... and then install nvidia drivers without worries |
| 18:58.20 | bzed | bahadunn: udev doesn;t blacklist, it uses modprobe only, you ahve to blacklist there |
| 18:58.43 | smacnay | thanks, I will look at that. I am looking around the /etc/udev/ stuff and see no reference to any nvidia stuff. |
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| 18:58.51 | bzed | smacnay: grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst << could you please paste the output of that now? |
| 18:58.51 | smacnay | bzed: so blacklist in modprobe? |
| 18:58.58 | smacnay | sorry - will do |
| 18:59.06 | smacnay | ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z |
| 18:59.06 | smacnay | ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 18:59.06 | smacnay | ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 18:59.06 | smacnay | ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro |
| 18:59.06 | smacnay | # kopt=root=/dev/mapper/sterling-root ro vga=vesafb |
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| 18:59.15 | fausto | yes |
| 18:59.23 | smacnay | sorry - that was unintentional |
| 18:59.26 | smacnay | bzed: |
| 18:59.27 | fausto | bzed, is the same of the source's docs |
| 18:59.27 | bzed | !paste |
| 18:59.28 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 18:59.28 | fausto | !! |
| 18:59.29 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 18:59.59 | bahadunn | bzed: google for udev blacklisting |
| 19:00.09 | bzed | smacnay: paste the output of hwinfo --framebuffer into a pastebin please |
| 19:00.09 | abchirk | !ops BombeR spam on join (porn) |
| 19:00.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abchirk complains about: BombeR spam on join (porn) |
| 19:00.14 | smacnay | bzed: I have tried 'vga=ask' =vesafb but neither worked. |
| 19:00.18 | smacnay | bzed: sure. |
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| 19:00.55 | tdn | Can I use hibernate if I use LUKS to encrypt my swap partition with a random key? |
| 19:01.06 | rellik | how can I tell how much memory a process is using? is it the 'rss' or 'vsz' in 'ps -u' ? |
| 19:01.34 | smacnay | bzed: need to install hwinfo - be a sec |
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| 19:04.51 | bzed | rellik: not from brain, but man ps will tell you |
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| 19:05.17 | dondelelcaro | rellik: that's a difficult question to answer, actually. |
| 19:05.31 | zinx | tdn: No. |
| 19:05.46 | smacnay | bzed: also need gpm to copy the file over into the console web browser... |
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| 19:05.59 | bzed | smacnay: did you run update-grub after editing /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:06.03 | bzed | !tell smacnay about pastebin |
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| 19:06.21 | GhostlyDeath | ACPI Suspend and Hibernate don't work at all, any suggestions? |
| 19:06.28 | smacnay | bzed: yes |
| 19:06.42 | bzed | smacnay: and vga=ask didn;t ask you anything? |
| 19:07.07 | rellik | bzed, yes, I read the ps man page.. it doesn't say, though.. at least not in a way I understand |
| 19:07.20 | Harzilein | xingu: still there? |
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| 19:07.49 | bzed | rellik: http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html :) |
| 19:07.57 | Harzilein | xingu: i thought that maybe i can compile the missing module with module-assistant without recompiling the whole kernel... |
| 19:08.02 | smacnay | bzed: no, hung the boot - http://pastebin.ca/415593 |
| 19:09.22 | bzed | smacnay: try vga=0x0317 |
| 19:09.23 | Harzilein | xingu: it is still cumbersome but if i _can't_ get at the functions from userland in another way... |
| 19:09.25 | Harzilein | !paste |
| 19:09.25 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 19:09.45 | bzed | Harzilein: which module? |
| 19:09.54 | bzed | Harzilein: ide-scsi? |
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| 19:09.58 | tuvwx | has anyone been able to use tex4ht's 'mk4ht oolatex file.tex' and open the the .odt file with oo? |
| 19:10.00 | Harzilein | bzed: yes |
| 19:10.20 | smacnay | bzed: ok, will try a reboot. |
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| 19:10.31 | smacnay | bzed: brb |
| 19:10.35 | bzed | Harzilein: this module was alywas broken like hell, it was removed from the kernel with a very damn good reason and you don;t want to use it for sure |
| 19:10.39 | bzed | smacnay: ok |
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| 19:11.11 | PupenoR | Any recommended ftp server to install, give write access to a user, test a special FTP client, and remove? |
| 19:11.14 | Harzilein | bzed: yeah, that's why i asked if anything else can provide the support for the program |
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| 19:11.33 | crazy_penguin | 'night! |
| 19:11.36 | Harzilein | bzed: i mean, it is clear that i'd rather use a not-well-written framework than not use the ir at all |
| 19:11.40 | Harzilein | bzed: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5880 |
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| 19:11.44 | Ronin | !tell PupenoR about ftp |
| 19:11.52 | Ronin | an excellent idea GhostlyDeath |
| 19:11.58 | Harzilein | bzed: those are the functions it uses |
| 19:12.02 | GhostlyDeath | Ronin: but with drawbacks |
| 19:12.19 | wols | GhostlyDeath: lies, all lies! :) |
| 19:12.20 | EmergeTW | is there away I can have a specified program run on the console after a period of inactivity? kinda like setterm -N blank except I want to run caca-fire instead of blanking the screen |
| 19:12.38 | aadil | GhostlyDeath, pureftpd is nice |
| 19:12.42 | bzed | Harzilein: did you ahve a look at the IR stuff in the kernel? probably there's something new in there |
| 19:12.42 | aadil | proftpd too |
| 19:12.48 | tuvwx | EmergeTW, doesn't screen do this? |
| 19:12.53 | GhostlyDeath | but there's a problem though |
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| 19:12.53 | PupenoR | Ronin: thanks. Any particularly easy ftp server to configure with unprivileged users? |
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| 19:12.59 | GhostlyDeath | Parition problems |
| 19:13.17 | Ronin | PupenoR: ive used vsftpd and proftpd, personally i prefer vsftpd |
| 19:13.20 | GhostlyDeath | /home/ is on an extended partition and / is on a primary partition |
| 19:13.30 | PupenoR | Ronin: why? |
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| 19:13.38 | Harzilein | bzed: well, as my drive seems to be quite exotic and i assume lirc devs follow that, the 0.8.1 release of lirc should mention it, right? |
| 19:13.40 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: that's not a problem so far. although I'd recommend to use lvm |
| 19:13.41 | smacnay | bzed: worked. Thanks - that is how I used to log into my old machine - with a 0317 after vga=ask. I totally forgot the numerical code. Anyway. Booted right into vesafb. |
| 19:13.42 | EmergeTW | tuvwx, not that I know of |
| 19:13.48 | smacnay | bzed: now in X |
| 19:13.53 | smacnay | bzed: thanks for all the help |
| 19:13.57 | bzed | smacnay: awesome ;) you're welcome |
| 19:13.58 | Harzilein | bzed: s/that/kernel developments regarding ir/ |
| 19:14.42 | bzed | Harzilein: I guess so, but I actually have no clue about ir devices except my mobile phone. you'd want to ask on a lirc user mailing list probably |
| 19:14.51 | kaeles_ | ok |
| 19:14.54 | kaeles_ | so weird as hell |
| 19:14.58 | kaeles_ | i can tftp into my local tftpd |
| 19:15.03 | bzed | Harzilein: or on a devel list, fi they have one. they know such stuff better than anybody else |
| 19:15.03 | kaeles_ | but i cant telnet into |
| 19:15.06 | kaeles_ | into it |
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| 19:16.38 | Harzilein | bzed: you refuse to give any pointers on how to compile the module with m-i if it is in the context of ide-scsi, right? ;) |
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| 19:17.18 | kittonian | when I run /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart, my system time updates incorrectly (I'm on EST and it's not reflecting the 1 hour jump ahead that we just had a few weeks ago) |
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| 19:17.37 | g8616c6f | Is is possible to use an http_proxy over an ssh tunnel with wget? |
| 19:17.38 | Ronin | kittonian: whens the last tiem you did a apt-get update? |
| 19:17.38 | russo | is there a way to have fortune prompt at login :) i miss fortune from slackware |
| 19:17.41 | bzed | Harzilein: first thing: m-a can only compile stuff which was prepared for debian. second thing: ide-scsi won;t work under any recent kernel third thing: ide-scsi is a broken shitpiece of code. |
| 19:17.46 | Ronin | theres been a patch out for this for quite a while |
| 19:17.55 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: ntpdate has nothing to do with the representation of UTC in your locale |
| 19:17.55 | Harzilein | bzed: i mean, between not knowing if the program can be adapted to work with the current framework, not being able to use the future one and having no clue about getting the old one back, i feel quite stuck ;) |
| 19:18.05 | kittonian | Ronin, just did it 5 minutes ago to check if that was the issue |
| 19:18.18 | bzed | Harzilein: is the device recognized at all? |
| 19:18.20 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: you need to update your timezone files. dpkg -l libc6; or dpkg -l tzdata; and then run tzconfig. |
| 19:18.37 | EmergeTW | tuvwx, thanks, it looks like screen will do that |
| 19:18.37 | Harzilein | bzed: the cdrom? yes, apart from the ir it is a perfectly normal atapi cdrom |
| 19:18.54 | Ronin | !tell kittonian about dst |
| 19:18.57 | Ronin | ha |
| 19:19.12 | Ronin | !tell kittonian about dst change |
| 19:19.17 | Ronin | there thats better |
| 19:19.34 | bzed | Harzilein: I'm a bit confused :P so it';s a cdrom with a sensor for an ir remote? |
| 19:19.44 | bzed | uh? |
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| 19:20.10 | bzed | did I hit a script on harzilein's irc client? :D |
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| 19:20.18 | bzed | Harzilein: what was that? |
| 19:20.19 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/415614 |
| 19:20.27 | Harzilein | bzed: my client crashing |
| 19:20.32 | bzed | Harzilein: I'm a bit confused :P so it';s a cdrom with a sensor for an ir remote? |
| 19:20.42 | bzed | Harzilein: it crashed with |
| 19:20.45 | bzed | * Harzilein has quit ("a cdrom with a sensor for an ir remote?") |
| 19:20.46 | Harzilein | bzed: it is a cdrom with a sensor |
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| 19:21.08 | Harzilein | bzed: yeah, maybe some script doesn't quote things correctly %-) |
| 19:21.15 | bzed | Harzilein: I still guess you ahve the best luck if you're going to ask the lirc people |
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| 19:21.26 | Harzilein | bzed: yeah, i just headed over there |
| 19:21.29 | bzed | Harzilein: i though so. |
| 19:21.32 | bzed | +t |
| 19:21.44 | bzed | Harzilein: germanistik in berlin, eh? :D |
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| 19:21.56 | Harzilein | bzed: no, computer science in hamburg |
| 19:22.04 | Harzilein | bzed: i just know the admin of that machine |
| 19:22.33 | bzed | Harzilein: ah ok :) I'm studying CS in darmstadt |
| 19:22.33 | Harzilein | bzed: she gave me that account 8 years ago when i still was in school |
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| 19:22.59 | Harzilein | bzed: it is still running woody so likely the problem with epic got fixed in recent versions |
| 19:23.30 | bzed | Harzilein: reminds me that I have to setup an irc bouncer for me |
| 19:23.49 | Harzilein | bzed: darmstadt... so you know Phaidros? |
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| 19:23.59 | bzed | did anybody here ever use mysql within the amavis-new configuration to select the names of localdomains from sql? |
| 19:24.27 | bzed | Harzilein: Phaidros O_o doesn;t tell me anything. but my brain sucks in remembering names |
| 19:24.29 | fengor | why an irc bouncer bernd? |
| 19:24.52 | bzed | fengor: too lazy to use irssii in a screen? |
| 19:25.04 | wols | bzed: heresy |
| 19:25.09 | smacnay | What can cause a cdrom drive to become unreachable after the system has been booted for some time. The drive is usable after a boot but some time later, it does not automount with new media and cannot be manually mounted. This is only one cd drive (master) while the dvd drive (slave) never goes fubar. |
| 19:25.24 | fengor | actually i was too lazy to set up a bouncer ;p |
| 19:25.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Back on the nforce card now |
| 19:25.48 | tdn | zinx, ok. Thanks. |
| 19:26.03 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: was it you with the realtek problem yesterday? |
| 19:26.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 19:26.11 | bzed | wols: hmm? |
| 19:26.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | DA_Busy |
| 19:26.19 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: add noapic to your kernel params |
| 19:26.32 | kittonian | thanks all, worked perfectly |
| 19:26.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | What does that do? |
| 19:26.42 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: I had that in there until abit fixed the bios |
| 19:26.48 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: it disables the apic |
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| 19:26.55 | Harzilein | bzed: the problem with bouncers imho is connecting to new servers... |
| 19:27.24 | Harzilein | bzed: at some pointed i looked into stripping an irc server off its channel management and provide some /quote-able commands to connect to new servers |
| 19:27.30 | bzed | Harzilein: yeah :( |
| 19:27.33 | Harzilein | bzed: but then i thought it is not worth the trouble |
| 19:27.44 | bzed | probably I'll jsut start to use screen for irc |
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| 19:28.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: What is APIC? Will it kill my network connection? |
| 19:28.36 | wols | !apic |
| 19:28.36 | dpkg | apic is probably an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 19:28.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | quoth wikipedia ^ |
| 19:29.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it still doesn't tell me what doing noapic will do |
| 19:29.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm gonna do it, I'm just wondering |
| 19:29.56 | wols | it disables this apic and goes back to the old way of the IBM AT |
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| 19:31.20 | haggz | Is debian planning on moving its core systems (apt etc) to gpl 3 once its released? |
| 19:31.32 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: just try it, it won;t break anything there's no need that you udnerstand what it does exactly, except you're studying computer science |
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| 19:31.46 | sdubois92 | where is the sudoers file located? |
| 19:31.52 | wols | sdubois92: /etc |
| 19:32.00 | bzed | sdubois92: use visudo |
| 19:32.11 | omg2 | is there a program that can identify itself as windows media player in the browser? |
| 19:32.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: I will, once I'm done with some stuff |
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| 19:32.19 | bzed | haggz: imho that's not a question of debian but a question of the people who have the copyright on the code |
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| 19:32.26 | perlmonke1 | mount to NFS server '192.168.1.1' failed: server is down. |
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| 19:32.28 | perlmonke1 | :-/ |
| 19:32.35 | liomessi | how to i can compile gd-php library with ttf fonts |
| 19:33.02 | fengor | omg2: what exactly do you mean? |
| 19:33.08 | bzed | omg2: there's a browser plugin for mplayer. and another one... I think totem or so. apt-search for plugin and video probably |
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| 19:33.17 | bzed | liomessi: why compile the library again? |
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| 19:33.52 | omg2 | fengor: I would like to join a web conference. And it is asking for Windows Media Player 6.4 or later |
| 19:33.59 | liomessi | i need install gd php library with ttf fonts :P |
| 19:34.06 | bzed | omg2: that sounds like you're fucked, sorry |
| 19:34.27 | bzed | liomessi: are you sure debian's php gd doesn't handle tft fonts |
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| 19:35.00 | bzed | omg2: I guess that you need something that supports your microphone, too? |
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| 19:35.22 | bzed | omg2: viewing a video is not a big problem... but a conference.. sounds like somethign special for the media player |
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| 19:36.06 | omg2 | bzed: I mainly just want to hear it. Don't care much about talking |
| 19:36.11 | fengor | omg2: i doubt that supplying media player as user agent will suffice but almost any browser should be able to do that. afaik is there a plugin for that for firefox and galeon has that option too iirc |
| 19:36.25 | perlmonke1 | more probs *sigh* |
| 19:37.30 | omg2 | I am using epiphany and icecapade |
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| 19:37.45 | buu | So.. |
| 19:37.52 | omg2 | thought I'd skip mozilla if these 2 did the job |
| 19:38.56 | buu | If I have a fontpackage installed (ttf-dejavu), I can use dpkg -l to tell me the name of .ttf files inside. But how do I make say, aterm, actually use the font? I'm trying the -fn option, but for example, dpkg lists "DejaVuSans.ttf", and -fn DejaVuSans; errors out with a "can not find" error. |
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| 19:40.26 | zinx | buu: figure out what the font is named. gtkfontsel can tell you. |
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| 19:40.53 | zinx | buu: you might consider using -fa for that particular font, though. gucharmap or so will tell you the name you need to use with -fa |
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| 19:40.57 | bzed | omg2: try totem-mozilla - it works for me most of the time and it installs as iceweasel plugin |
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| 19:42.15 | perlmonke1 | mount to NFS server '192.168.1.1' failed: server is down. :-/ |
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| 19:43.46 | Firehand | hi, how can i tell my cups to print the first page of each job on tray1, the rest on trayX? |
| 19:45.00 | omg2 | bzed: totem is already installed. |
| 19:45.03 | GhostlyDeath | How do I find a proccess and kill it by name? |
| 19:45.11 | ofer0 | GhostlyDeath, killall |
| 19:45.16 | GhostlyDeath | I need a PID |
| 19:45.17 | Ysangkok | killall kills by name |
| 19:45.18 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: pkill |
| 19:45.25 | ofer0 | GhostlyDeath, or ps aux | grep NAME |
| 19:45.34 | Ysangkok | pidof processname gives you the process id |
| 19:45.47 | bzed | try killall on solaris :D |
| 19:46.07 | Ysangkok | you can view all your processes with "ps aux" or "ps -ef" |
| 19:47.06 | liomessi | quie habla español aca? |
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| 19:47.36 | azeem | !es |
| 19:47.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:48.27 | GhostlyDeath | !cn |
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| 19:48.27 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 19:50.52 | perlmonke1 | server:/home# rpcinfo -p 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs |
| 19:50.52 | GhostlyDeath | How do I tell my how many bits linux is? |
| 19:51.02 | perlmonke1 | is it normal to have every version of nfs running? |
| 19:51.04 | GhostlyDeath | 32-bit, 64-bit, 128- bit.. |
| 19:51.23 | perlmonke1 | sorry, that is answered in doc |
| 19:51.31 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: bits as in? colour depth, megabytes? .......? |
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| 19:51.36 | GhostlyDeath | Proc |
| 19:51.38 | bzed | perlmonke1: O_o you use nfs-kernel-server |
| 19:51.46 | perlmonke1 | bzed: yeah |
| 19:51.58 | GhostlyDeath | bzed: Kernel |
| 19:52.25 | GhostlyDeath | My kernel is amd64, does that mean I'm using a 64-bit kernel? |
| 19:52.29 | Gathond | GhostlyDeath: uname -a |
| 19:52.42 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: yes |
| 19:53.21 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: amd64 is a 64bit kernel |
| 19:53.21 | Gathond | if it says x86_64 its 64 bit (provided we are talking x86 kernels) |
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| 19:53.22 | bzed | ye |
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| 19:58.04 | GhostlyDeath | Downloads are going slow!!! 50KB/s I usually get 1000KB/s! |
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| 19:58.54 | ribasushi | hi |
| 19:59.08 | ribasushi | does anybody know of an unofficial repository that peovides f-prot? |
| 19:59.17 | ribasushi | or checking their site for updates is the only way to go |
| 19:59.18 | ribasushi | ? |
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| 20:00.58 | ma3x | why blacklisting the ipv6 never works? |
| 20:01.14 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:01.25 | ma3x | hi wikipedia |
| 20:01.29 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a webcam software which can use apache2 and video4linux? |
| 20:02.33 | xand | "webcam" |
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| 20:03.26 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 20:03.29 | fengor | apt-cache search webcam |
| 20:05.33 | ma3x | why when I do whois domain.com it times out most of the time? |
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| 20:07.40 | Strogg | in regards to backports, is the Maintainer field in the dsc file the backport maintainer or the official package maintainer? |
| 20:09.55 | HardDisk_WP | fengor, any way to make it a video livestream |
| 20:11.05 | abrotman | Strogg: mostly the same .. check packages.debian.org to make sure |
| 20:11.19 | streuner | ma3x: whois server prolly down? |
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| 20:11.52 | streuner | ma3x: just try a whois server from geektools.com or joker.com |
| 20:11.58 | Strogg | abrotman: hrmm ok thanks |
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| 20:14.35 | HardDisk_WP | fengor, any way to have it as a video stream VLC can read? |
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| 20:15.47 | \amethyst | HydraPheetz: webcam-server maybe |
| 20:15.49 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:15.54 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: webcam-server maybe |
| 20:15.57 | \amethyst | stupid tab |
| 20:16.14 | bzed | !tell HardDisk_WP about pr0n |
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| 20:18.09 | rellik_ | how do I redirect STDERR using 'cmd > file' ? |
| 20:18.24 | Tobe | rellik_, 2> file |
| 20:18.47 | Tobe | rellik_, or cmd > file 2>&1 |
| 20:18.50 | Tobe | to get both on same |
| 20:19.20 | \amethyst | &>foo is a bash shortcut for >foo 2>&1 |
| 20:19.37 | Tobe | noone use bash anyway? :) |
| 20:20.09 | rellik_ | Tobe, hmm.. it still just prints to the screen.. I tried 1>, 2>, and 3>.. any idea how I can capture the output? |
| 20:20.22 | \amethyst | rellik_: what program? |
| 20:20.36 | rellik_ | WEBrick (ruby server) |
| 20:20.36 | \amethyst | rellik_: it might be printing to the terminal rather than stdout/stderr |
| 20:21.05 | rellik_ | \amethyst, in that case, is there any way to capture it? or at least test to see if that is happening? |
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| 20:21.57 | \amethyst | rellik_: If redirecting both stdin and stdout doesn't work, man script |
| 20:22.34 | rellik_ | \amethyst, thanks |
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| 20:27.18 | jacksparrow | Hey all |
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| 20:28.20 | jacksparrow | I've a debian 3.1 server and I want to upgrade it to 4.0. How can I make this? Can help me somebody? |
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| 20:30.15 | russo | is there a way to get samba shares to mount without a username and password? |
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| 20:30.52 | \amethyst | !tell jacksparrow about sarge->etch |
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| 20:32.02 | \amethyst | russo: Mounting in which direction? |
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| 20:32.17 | ma3x | streuner: how do you do that? (whois from joker.com)? with the browser you mean? |
| 20:32.23 | dsx | how do i get back from visual mode in vi? |
| 20:32.37 | azeem | dsx: escape |
| 20:32.37 | \amethyst | dsx: v |
| 20:32.43 | azeem | hrm, right |
| 20:32.52 | streuner | jacksparrow: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
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| 20:33.00 | russo | \amethyst: umm direction? |
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| 20:33.07 | dsx | it doesn't |
| 20:33.17 | azeem | ma3x: also, try to read the vim documenation |
| 20:33.17 | streuner | ma3x: sure, but whois works here, it usually uses the same server... |
| 20:33.34 | \amethyst | russo: Are you mounting a share in linux, or mounting a linux share in windows? |
| 20:33.56 | ma3x | streuner: the whois tool doesn't use joker's whois server. |
| 20:34.13 | ma3x | azeem: was that for dsx ? |
| 20:34.26 | azeem | ma3x: yes |
| 20:34.28 | azeem | sorry |
| 20:34.36 | ma3x | ok |
| 20:34.45 | kaeles_ | anyone know why my pxeclients wouldn't be able to connect to my ftp server while my windows box can? |
| 20:34.53 | streuner | ma3x: heh? no, i have no idea what server joker.com use, but in the man-page of whois its explained which server is usually used |
| 20:35.09 | ma3x | streuner: yeah, the one of netsol |
| 20:35.16 | russo | \amethyst: its a problem i've been having with my samba printers |
| 20:35.20 | tvynr | I'm using wodim from the command line to burn a disc in a script. The disc itself claims to be a 700Mb disc but when I run "dd if=/dev/urandom | gzip -c | dd bs=2048 count=359849 | wodim tsize=359849s -dao dev=/dev/scd0 gracetime=2 -v -" and then dump the contents of the disc, the image I get is only 688,961,536 bytes in size. What gives? |
| 20:35.34 | russo | \amethyst: but yes its a problem i have in windows |
| 20:35.47 | russo | i don't have it in osx and linux |
| 20:35.47 | perlmonke1 | Im getting lots of entries like this in my syslog, is it anything to worry about? |
| 20:35.51 | tvynr | (The peculiar command is because I was testing the effect of load on the burn process, but wodim states that burnfree was never used.) |
| 20:35.52 | perlmonke1 | Mar 29 23:22:50 server kernel: Shorewall:rfc1918:DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:d0:2b:77:ed:54:08:00 SRC=10.18.192.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=60085 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=308 |
| 20:36.04 | russo | \amethyst: but probably because i have the same user in linux and osx and his smbpass is nothing |
| 20:36.14 | perlmonke1 | lots! like every 3 seconds an entry, been going on for last hour |
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| 20:36.54 | streuner | ma3x: "If the variable does not exist then whois.arin.net will be queried." |
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| 20:37.07 | wols | perlmonke1: that's dhcp |
| 20:37.13 | russo | \amethyst: is there a way to make samba promptless? so public like a windows share |
| 20:37.15 | azeem | shiney |
| 20:37.19 | perlmonke1 | wols: why does it do that |
| 20:37.29 | ma3x | streuner: yeah, sometimes it timesout (which means both are down or something else's wrong) |
| 20:37.45 | kaeles_ | mmm |
| 20:38.00 | streuner | ma3x: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
| 20:38.05 | kaeles_ | is there some way my router stored the ip pointing to a specific mac address? |
| 20:38.13 | streuner | ma3x: whois --verbose google.de |
| 20:38.16 | perlmonkey | i dont like it |
| 20:38.18 | kaeles_ | cause as soon as i enabled my bonding my tftp started working fine |
| 20:38.25 | streuner | Benutze Server whois.denic.de |
| 20:38.39 | kaeles_ | weird... |
| 20:38.41 | kaeles_ | lol |
| 20:38.44 | \amethyst | russo: you can set up a [guest] section in smb.conf maybe |
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| 20:38.52 | jacksparrow | Thank you very much for help all! |
| 20:38.53 | jacksparrow | bye |
| 20:39.16 | ma3x | streuner: so it connects to different whois servers depending on the domain |
| 20:39.25 | streuner | ma3x: yes |
| 20:39.31 | ma3x | streuner: why did you point me that release docs page? |
| 20:39.42 | streuner | ma3x: sorry, wrong paste... |
| 20:39.50 | ma3x | ok |
| 20:40.10 | \amethyst | russo: ignore that. In the section you care about, add guest ok = yes |
| 20:40.35 | wols | perlmonkey: one interface at least is misconfigured imho |
| 20:40.36 | russo | \amethyst: can i set that as a [global] option? |
| 20:40.46 | \amethyst | russo: you also want to set guest account = someunixuser |
| 20:41.01 | \amethyst | russo: guest access runs with the credentials of that user |
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| 20:41.36 | \amethyst | russo: I guess |
| 20:41.36 | russo | oh wow! thanks \amethyst! :P |
| 20:41.36 | russo | i didn't know that was an option |
| 20:41.36 | russo | this has been a problem that i've been batteling forever |
| 20:41.50 | \amethyst | there's also guest only = yes |
| 20:42.10 | omg2 | I get this error when I run apt-get update: https://tdameritradeevents.webex.com/ec0507l/eventcenter/support/diagnosis.do?siteurl=tdameritradeevents&rnd=8666327120&servicename=EC&needFilter=false |
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| 20:43.05 | \amethyst | omg2: You get the error "Verify Rich Media Players" ? |
| 20:43.35 | omg2 | yah |
| 20:43.42 | omg2 | \amethyst |
| 20:43.50 | omg2 | \amethyst yes |
| 20:44.12 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 20:44.22 | \amethyst | Right.... |
| 20:45.23 | omg2 | \amethyst: Wrong paste. This is what I meant to paste: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 20:45.37 | azeem | omg2: see /topic |
| 20:46.23 | omg2 | \amethyst I do however have the browser problem also. |
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| 20:48.15 | omg2 | azeem: that site does not say anything about keys |
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| 20:48.35 | \amethyst | omg2: /msg dpkg etch key |
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| 20:51.35 | wfq | hello |
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| 20:51.58 | ma3x | how come I got about 50 lines serial8250: too much work for irq10 |
| 20:52.11 | ma3x | is it something serious or should I just ignore it? |
| 20:52.29 | azeem | are you running anything on your serial devices? |
| 20:52.33 | x_link | hrmmm why doesn't apt-get remove --purge xfce4 remove the whole file. It only removes like 24,6kb |
| 20:52.39 | ma3x | on the serial ports you mean? |
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| 20:52.43 | ma3x | I've nothing connected, no |
| 20:52.47 | azeem | or emulated (irda/bluetooth) devices |
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| 20:53.27 | ma3x | I got infrared port, but nothing connected to it |
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| 20:53.43 | x_link | Why is security.debian.org so slow to download from? |
| 20:54.15 | dareth | Running Squid on Debian Sarge... does a lack of reverse dns entry for a server affect Squid serving that site? |
| 20:54.28 | anirban | Hi I am getting following error while doing apt-get update on Etch W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 20:54.43 | azeem | anirban: see /topic |
| 20:54.44 | wfq | i have been away from linux long time as much as one year, i remember when i tried to install my 2200 bg wifi card in my laptop i needed the 2.6 version kernel. I am supposed that people work in new kernel so i will need, at least, this version kernel, won't? |
| 20:55.10 | perlmonkey | wols; is this ok? http://pastebin.ca/415779 |
| 20:55.16 | omg2 | <\amethyst> still get the same error |
| 20:55.17 | torrrr | ? I've set up keyboard model with gconftool-2 set, and from --get it seems like it is there, but in my .gconf dir' it is still the old value, and it also act as the old value... waht is going on? |
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| 20:56.03 | wols | perlmonkey: as long as eth1 gets its IP via DHCP and hasn't to search forever: I guess |
| 20:56.04 | \amethyst | azeem: err, that's BADSIG not "not found" |
| 20:56.11 | anirban | Which Chip set do you have wfq for youe WiFi |
| 20:56.11 | wols | but fix your stanzas. they're ordered wrong |
| 20:56.26 | azeem | anirban: ok, then try a different mirror |
| 20:56.28 | perlmonkey | wols: why wouldnt it? |
| 20:56.43 | wols | perlmonkey: no clue. I don't know your network |
| 20:56.50 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 20:56.59 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.18 | ma3x | azeem: |
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| 20:57.26 | \amethyst | torrrr: then you'll probably have to do some X programming |
| 20:57.38 | wfq | i left recompiling kernel from 2.6 version... what kernel version do you recommend me to start again? |
| 20:58.14 | wols | wfq: the debian kernel |
| 20:58.31 | anirban | okay thanks azeem |
| 20:58.38 | wols | wfq: and a year back, debian already had a 2.6 kernel too |
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| 20:59.05 | wfq | wols, ohh i always did by the traditional method |
| 20:59.10 | wfq | i never used a debian kernel |
| 20:59.29 | perlmonkey | wols: is this ok for hosts.allow? http://pastebin.ca/415783 |
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| 21:00.16 | \amethyst | torrrr: you can create a window, listen for keyboard events, grab the keyboard, and ask the user to press control. On the first keyboard event you print the keycode, ungrab the keyboard, and exit |
| 21:00.57 | omg2 | since iceape is a light weight mozilla browser how do I get the full mozilla? |
| 21:01.01 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.13 | mfrisch | omg2: iceape |
| 21:01.41 | omg2 | I did apt-get mozilla but its telling me about IceApe |
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| 21:01.42 | mfrisch | omg2: iceape is the full mozilla |
| 21:01.59 | mfrisch | omg2: iceweasel is firefox the "light" one |
| 21:02.09 | \amethyst | iceape ~ seamonkey :: iceweasel ~ firefox |
| 21:02.33 | omg2 | ah. I must have read it incorrectly then |
| 21:02.40 | \amethyst | I remember when firefox was the light one... it was called phoenix then :) |
| 21:03.00 | capiira | hmmmm if i do a renice 0 `pgrep kjournald` will it stay so after a reboot ? |
| 21:03.05 | Mark_Iron | hi .. GNOME is the default WM by installing from etch DVD ... how I can tell the installer to install KDE ? |
| 21:04.00 | \amethyst | capiira: no, but you can do that in an init script |
| 21:04.00 | wfq | does anyone have a url where explain what the 2.6 kernel version problems were? I can't remember. I know i could read it in the kernel's readme file but my connection is slow and i would like make progress in mean time the kernel get downloaded |
| 21:04.00 | \amethyst | capiira: after /usr is mounted of course |
| 21:04.00 | omg2 | when I click on the about it shows the list of plugins but when I go in the helper I don't see any of the plugins |
| 21:04.01 | dondelelcaro | wfq: what type of problems/ |
| 21:04.07 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 21:04.07 | dondelelcaro | wfq: there are been lots of bugs filed and fixed in 2.6 |
| 21:04.13 | wols | !tell wfq about ipw2200 |
| 21:04.17 | \amethyst | wfq: You want a list of every bug in the 2.6 kernel? That could take a long time to download too :) |
| 21:04.35 | wfq | yes i remember i had to include scsi as image and something else but i can't remember |
| 21:04.38 | capiira | type: install Mark_Iron type tasks="kde-desktop, standard" when the debian logo appears |
| 21:04.38 | wfq | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:05.19 | \amethyst | wfq: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges |
| 21:05.26 | capiira | Mark_Iron, type: install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" when the debian logo appears :) |
| 21:05.29 | \amethyst | wfq: that might be a bit technical |
| 21:05.39 | Mark_Iron | do you mean the line boot grub menu capii |
| 21:05.42 | Mark_Iron | ? |
| 21:05.44 | capiira | yeah |
| 21:05.59 | Mark_Iron | capiira: thanks a lot ! ;-) |
| 21:06.01 | capiira | where the cursor blinks |
| 21:06.13 | capiira | then enter |
| 21:06.14 | wfq | amethyst, thank you very much... |
| 21:06.17 | Mark_Iron | fine ! °v° |
| 21:06.18 | capiira | np |
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| 21:06.31 | JordiGH | Awesome, nexuiz runs well with free drivers. |
| 21:06.43 | Mark_Iron | I have more questions capiira ... refer to XEN 3.0.4 ... ;-) |
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| 21:07.17 | capiira | thx \amethyst |
| 21:07.19 | Mark_Iron | capiira: I've tried to get it running unter etch ... |
| 21:07.29 | Mark_Iron | under .. |
| 21:07.29 | capiira | never tried xen |
| 21:07.44 | Mark_Iron | better is capiira ;o) |
| 21:07.48 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: what about xen? |
| 21:07.50 | capiira | :) |
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| 21:08.12 | wfq | wols thank you very much |
| 21:08.15 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: had some troubles to get the VM running |
| 21:08.18 | aeronadix | how do you configure mozilla to always open media file externally in kaffeine |
| 21:08.35 | perlmonkey | wols: how can i stop those annoying log entries |
| 21:08.51 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: is the bridge set up? |
| 21:08.54 | JordiGH | Oh, operator< for sets test for lexicographical comparison... not what I want. |
| 21:09.02 | tore | hm, anyone knows about a webinterface that just lets me change the vhost-configurations in apache? |
| 21:09.03 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: do you have any experience with xen 3.0.4 config ? |
| 21:09.05 | tore | nothing fancy, just that. |
| 21:09.43 | wols | perlmonkey: stop asking for dhcp offers |
| 21:09.43 | Mark_Iron | after playing with config files I didn't have any eth0 more *lol* @ mfrisch |
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| 21:10.13 | Mark_Iron | what would help me mfrisch ... it would be e.g. proofed config-file ... |
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| 21:10.44 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: ok do you have other connections in ifconfig other the lo? |
| 21:10.44 | Mark_Iron | in /etc/xen mfrisch |
| 21:10.44 | jackyyll1 | Do i need both install DVD's for 3.1r5 |
| 21:10.51 | Mark_Iron | no mfrisch |
| 21:10.51 | tore | jackyyll1: you have a internet-connection? |
| 21:10.56 | jackyyll1 | Uhh? |
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| 21:10.57 | Mark_Iron | only irda and lo ... @ mfrisch |
| 21:10.59 | jackyyll1 | Yes..? |
| 21:11.03 | tore | jea, use the netinstall |
| 21:11.05 | tore | it's like 150MB |
| 21:11.25 | Mark_Iron | just now I'm installing a new 64 Bit etch @ mfrisch |
| 21:11.34 | capiira | hmmm what process is the one that let the mouse cursor move ? sometimes when i heavy copy files the mouse starts to jump around while moving. I would like to renice that process |
| 21:11.35 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: mine is half setup...I need to set up the bridged ethernet connection and it should work... |
| 21:11.46 | jackyyll1 | wait |
| 21:11.51 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: give me a sec. |
| 21:11.52 | jackyyll1 | i dont want the net install i want a dvd install |
| 21:11.55 | jackyyll1 | but do i need both DVD's? |
| 21:12.06 | wols | capiira: it's X |
| 21:12.07 | tore | no idea. never installed from the dvd's |
| 21:12.13 | Mark_Iron | could you paste the config file please mfrisch ? .. thanks in advance ! ;o) |
| 21:12.15 | wols | jackyyll1: why? |
| 21:12.20 | capiira | let me try |
| 21:12.25 | jackyyll1 | wouldn't the net install take a while? |
| 21:12.44 | jackyyll1 | since it has to download the files as it goes |
| 21:12.48 | wols | jackyyll1: certainly less time than you downloading 2 full DVDs. very vrey few people need full 4,7GB of debs |
| 21:12.55 | wols | jackyyll1: no |
| 21:13.04 | wols | you install the base system, then install what you need |
| 21:13.22 | jackyyll1 | Ah ic |
| 21:13.25 | jackyyll1 | okay ill get netinstall then |
| 21:13.29 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: here is a ok howto... http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu Pay attention to the networking setup. What are you trying to emulate |
| 21:13.42 | dondelelcaro | about the only time it's useful to not use the netinst is when you don't have a network connection |
| 21:14.04 | Mark_Iron | great mfrisch ! ... MERCI ! :))) |
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| 21:14.35 | rpc | is there a way to force ntfs-3g to mount an ntfs partition? |
| 21:14.42 | rpc | ntsfix doesn't seem to fix it |
| 21:14.55 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: what are you trying to emulate> |
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| 21:16.10 | \amethyst | rpc: When you say "force".... what's happening when you try? |
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| 21:16.26 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I would like to install debian etch as domain-0 ... and two others linux-es (Sarge, Fedora or OpenSuSE) |
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| 21:17.32 | rpc | \amethyst it says denied because logfile is unclean |
| 21:17.58 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: yeah when you make the domu make sure you change the interfaces file and put them in the hosts file on dom0 |
| 21:17.58 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: with a HDD-Layout like: sda1 - dom0 / sda2 swap of dom0 ... and use sda3 and sda4 as root devices for the other images .. however the swaps would be on sda1 (as swap files) .. |
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| 21:17.59 | rpc | and recommends booting winbloze and shutting down properly.. thing is that i don't have winblose handy |
| 21:18.13 | \amethyst | rpc: man ntfs-3g, search for force |
| 21:18.13 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: do you think such configuration can work ??? |
| 21:18.25 | \amethyst | rpc: it is highly recommended you mount read-only |
| 21:18.45 | rpc | \amethyst so shall i take that drive back to windows after all? |
| 21:18.58 | rpc | and "fix" it there first if i want to rw mount it? |
| 21:19.04 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: xen likes disk managers like lvm or evms to put domu on it makes life easier..but it will work |
| 21:19.12 | \amethyst | rpc: yes |
| 21:19.29 | scruffy | what is the deal with not being able to compile any 2.6 kernels now on any machine with gcc 4? |
| 21:19.29 | rpc | \amethyst ok.. just hoping a reboot will really help there |
| 21:19.38 | Mark_Iron | lvm wuld be to complicated for me now mfrisch .. I will play with lvm later |
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| 21:20.03 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: it is an installer option in etch's installer |
| 21:20.11 | perlmonkey | wols: my dhcp3/dhcp.conf is all commented out, is that normal? |
| 21:20.20 | \amethyst | rpc: afaik there's no way to run a full ntfs consistency check in Linux |
| 21:20.28 | Mark_Iron | I know mfrisch ... but it is probably more complicated later |
| 21:20.29 | scruffy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5881 |
| 21:20.40 | \amethyst | rpc: You could install Windows in a VM, so you at least don't need to swap hardware :) |
| 21:20.41 | rpc | \amethyst i just hope this ntfs-3g thing will really do the job.. |
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| 21:21.01 | rpc | \amethyst i had one.. i'm just so tired of it :) |
| 21:21.09 | rpc | i chose wine instead |
| 21:21.24 | Mark_Iron | one question to your sentence befor mfrisch .. what should I put in /etc/hosts in dom0 ? ... the ips of domU interfaces ??? |
| 21:21.41 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: actually it simplifies where the doms are and lets for easy backup (snapshot) If you use a tool like xen-tools to create the images it is transparent after the base config |
| 21:21.44 | rpc | but seems like kde+wine take more resources than vm with windows lol |
| 21:22.13 | capiira | wols, is there something else that is responsible for mouse movements? renice Xorg helped but not 100% |
| 21:22.26 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: the hostnames of the domU |
| 21:22.35 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: that is another problem ... is there any possibility to use an iso as an input to install dumUs ? |
| 21:22.44 | wols | capiira: the kernel |
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| 21:22.51 | wols | those are the only places which concern mouse |
| 21:22.52 | Mark_Iron | I understand ..:-) @ mfrisch |
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| 21:23.05 | matthew_ | gpm handles mouse, but in console... could that be affecting you, capiira? |
| 21:23.07 | Mark_Iron | domUs ... |
| 21:23.19 | capiira | in kde |
| 21:23.32 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: thats more work to get working...I use xen-tools for linux based domU |
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| 21:24.26 | aeronadix | anyone know how to configure mozilla to always open media files externally in kaffeine |
| 21:24.31 | Mark_Iron | capiira: should I add laptop to your tip ' install tasks="kde-desktop, standard ' if installing on ThinkPad T60p ? |
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| 21:24.45 | matthewpoer | aaeronadix, apt-cache search mozilla-plugger |
| 21:24.55 | _syphilis_ | according to /etc/default/useradd, useradd will never create per-user groups. however, it is doing that. why, and how can i stop it? |
| 21:24.57 | matthewpoer | (i think) |
| 21:25.17 | mfrisch | _syphilis_: we don't want you |
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| 21:25.49 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: as far as I understood ... I need to install EACH domU OS in a separate partition und use an image of it running xen ... |
| 21:25.52 | capiira | yeah |
| 21:25.55 | perlmonkey | sheesh i dont need a dhcp server |
| 21:25.59 | capiira | add laptop if you need |
| 21:26.04 | perlmonkey | wtf am i doing running one |
| 21:26.12 | wols | mfrisch: why don |
| 21:26.16 | wols | why don't we? |
| 21:26.16 | Mark_Iron | thank yoou capiira ! :-) |
| 21:26.18 | aeronadix | matthewpoer, I have that one, but I used to have a setup where when I click a video link, it would open externally in Kaffeine, but I can't figure out how I did that |
| 21:26.22 | wols | perlmonkey: did you use tasksel? |
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| 21:26.28 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 21:26.36 | mfrisch | wols: you want _syphilis_ ? |
| 21:26.36 | perlmonkey | install must of done it |
| 21:26.37 | wols | that could be it |
| 21:26.41 | struct | greetings comrads |
| 21:26.44 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 21:26.54 | perlmonkey | how do I remove it? |
| 21:26.59 | wols | mfrisch: he may use an unfortunate nick but if he runs debian: yes we do :) |
| 21:27.01 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: thats more work than needed |
| 21:27.07 | capiira | is there a way to limit process cpu usage by %? |
| 21:27.08 | matthewpoer | aeronadix, You are under KDE, I assume? |
| 21:27.12 | azeem | perlmonkey: man apt-get |
| 21:27.28 | wols | perlmonkey: why do you think it's a dhcp server? |
| 21:27.42 | mfrisch | wols: it was a joke. |
| 21:27.43 | perlmonkey | well you said it's broadcasting for offers |
| 21:27.48 | Mark_Iron | what would the more simple way mfrisch ? |
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| 21:28.00 | wols | capiira: possibly CK has a patchset which can do it |
| 21:28.03 | aeronadix | matthewpoer, no, gnome |
| 21:28.09 | aeronadix | matthewpoer, but I have kde installed |
| 21:28.20 | capiira | wols, CK ? |
| 21:28.23 | matthewpoer | Doesn't KDE Control Center or whatever it is called handle such things? |
| 21:28.23 | capiira | whats that |
| 21:28.29 | Mark_Iron | It would be great if I could iso-images to create xen OS-Images |
| 21:28.34 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: ^ |
| 21:28.43 | Mark_Iron | could use ... |
| 21:28.45 | wols | capiira: kernel patchset Con Kolivas. CK |
| 21:28.57 | capiira | thx let me see |
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| 21:29.08 | matthewpoer | (I would check, but I do not have KDE at all) |
| 21:29.24 | perlmonkey | dhclient.conf is all commented out |
| 21:29.39 | perlmonkey | I need some way to tone it down so it's not making so many frequent broadcasts |
| 21:29.51 | wols | dhCLIENT.conf. do you see something there? |
| 21:30.10 | aeronadix | matthewpoer, you are right, I will look there, thanks |
| 21:30.12 | ziro01 | hello |
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| 21:30.14 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 21:30.21 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: what I need xen for? ... well .. after creating of a new bootable ISO-Image I would like to test it .. W/O burning a CD |
| 21:30.21 | perlmonkey | thats the client which fetches the IP from ISP eh |
| 21:30.29 | cokeslut | interest |
| 21:31.01 | Mark_Iron | what do I need ... |
| 21:31.03 | ziro01 | I'll think about it |
| 21:31.04 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: create / partition and a lvm partiition install xen xen-tools edit /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.conf to reflect what you want to install (rh debian ubuntu etc.) use xen-tools to create image file. it will be a slice on the lvm. it will create a base system using chroot debootstrap rpmstrap etc... |
| 21:31.50 | Mark_Iron | thank you very much mfrisch !!! ;-))) |
| 21:32.08 | matthewpoer | I would think that would be a possible place for it, especially if that was occuring in KDE |
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| 21:33.27 | en1gma | would anyone mind asking if i could get unbanned in #sudix on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:33.35 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: make sure to tell xen-tools about the lvm partition I usually name mine domU |
| 21:33.48 | Mark_Iron | I have to read more about xen-tools (how exactly to create image files of the particular OS) @ mfrisch |
| 21:33.59 | struct | en1gma: why did you get banned? |
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| 21:34.21 | en1gma | i was talking about dmraid (an unsupported feature) |
| 21:34.43 | struct | sounds like a stupid reason to ban someone |
| 21:34.49 | matthewpoer | I am unsure about this: is it possible to transmit an X session over SSH, with the openssh-server, so that it performs similarly (or even the same as) VNC? |
| 21:34.57 | struct | en1gma: why dont you change your ip or nick and get back in? |
| 21:35.01 | Mark_Iron | is there any possibility to use ISO (from the xen-tools) to create the images ? @ mfrisch |
| 21:35.06 | struct | en1gma: or use tor and get back in |
| 21:35.08 | en1gma | i dont know how to do that |
| 21:35.15 | azeem | en1gma: this is off-topic here |
| 21:35.27 | wols | matthewpoer: the screen functionality of vnc is not doable that way |
| 21:35.28 | en1gma | what is tor |
| 21:35.42 | Guerin | en1gma: something you can fuckingggoogle |
| 21:35.42 | en1gma | im sorry if its off topic...isf someone pm me i appreciate it |
| 21:35.55 | struct | en1gma: http://tor.eff.org/ |
| 21:35.57 | wols | en1gma: ask whoever banned you, not here |
| 21:36.00 | matthewpoer | So what can it do? I know that SSH can do *something* with X, I just do not know what. |
| 21:36.14 | en1gma | thanks |
| 21:36.16 | wols | and "sudix" doesn't sound too much like "debian" to me |
| 21:36.17 | vchrizz | matthewpoer: you may want X11 forwarding? see "man ssh" |
| 21:36.20 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: yes with full hardware virtualization and xenioemu |
| 21:36.22 | struct | matthewpoer: it can forward X |
| 21:36.30 | Guerin | matthewpoer: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 21:36.45 | matthewpoer | I don't know enought about Xserver/client to know what that means :( |
| 21:36.57 | en1gma | thanks |
| 21:37.23 | vchrizz | i want to access my ircd on my linuxbox (acting as router) from my internal lan with the same connection settings like i would use my irc client from outside my lan... im using this rule: $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i $LOCAL_IFACE --destination-port 6697 --destination $INET_ADDRESS -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.10.1:6697 |
| 21:37.35 | vchrizz | but i still cant connect from my internal lan to the external address |
| 21:37.43 | vchrizz | what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:38.25 | Mark_Iron | is "xenioemu" an extra package I have to install? @ mfrisch |
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| 21:39.43 | matthewpoer | Does anyone know of a good guide/tutorial/explaination of how the X system works? |
| 21:39.54 | matthewpoer | as in the clientserver model |
| 21:39.57 | matthewpoer | *client/server |
| 21:40.00 | aeronadix | man XF86xonfig-4 |
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| 21:40.07 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: yes. but you don't really need to. One way I have used is to use qemu to create the image. Mount the image in a loop then using xen-tools I use the copy option then run xen-tools as normal |
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| 21:41.19 | Mark_Iron | A GOOD Idea ! ... to mount the image in a loop and than use the xen-tools ;-))) @ mfrisch |
| 21:41.58 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: but when you try..skip the first sector, qemu does |
| 21:42.35 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: however for some demonstration purposes it would be great if I could to show others the boot process |
| 21:42.45 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: ^^ |
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| 21:43.08 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: attach to the console when starting the domU |
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| 21:44.33 | Mark_Iron | what should I attach to the console ?@ mfrisch |
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| 21:46.38 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: do I need modified kernels of guest OSes if I have VT enabled hardware like Core 2 duo ? |
| 21:46.46 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you use xm to start access domU xm console domname will show boot. |
| 21:47.00 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: refer to the line in mv-config file .. (kernel .. ) |
| 21:47.16 | Mark_Iron | xm create -c config-file @ mfrisch |
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| 21:47.39 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: thats to create and start the domU |
| 21:48.46 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I don't have any idea if I could get a console like access to the particular VM without ssh or vnc session @ mfrisch |
| 21:49.17 | Mark_Iron | I mean from dom9 mfrisch |
| 21:49.23 | Mark_Iron | dom0 |
| 21:49.25 | sparr | what should my QTDIR be while building qt libraries and apps? |
| 21:49.33 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you can use the same kernel for all the domU 's (virtual server) or seperate for each |
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| 21:50.42 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: ssh also used to access change the domU's |
| 21:51.12 | Mark_Iron | what if I have different Linuxes like Suse, RedHat and so on mfrisch ? .. as far as I understand it now it should be a particular kernel specific to the VM-OS .. and in the apriopriate partition ... @ mfrisch |
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| 21:51.20 | perlmonkey | mount to NFS server '192.168.1.1' failed: server is down. :-/ |
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| 21:52.23 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you can use any kernel that works ;-) and usually its easier for them to be on dom0 /boot |
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| 21:53.16 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: my question is if SUCH kernel HAVE to be xen-enebled ??? * I don't know it * |
| 21:53.24 | Catachan_ | so are there any advantages to the initrd? |
| 21:53.25 | Mark_Iron | enabled ... |
| 21:53.37 | Catachan_ | or rather, having an initrd for a kernel? |
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| 21:54.22 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: the dom0 has to be a xen kernel the domu's can use anything |
| 21:54.27 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: if I have a full VT-Hardware support .. I hoped to use normal kernels .. IS it true ??? |
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| 21:54.40 | Mark_Iron | I see ! . thank you ! ;-) @ mfrisch |
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| 21:55.42 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you can and for three domU's it will load 3 kernels with a virtual server it will use one |
| 21:55.47 | Mark_Iron | hey mfrisch .. a GOOD idea .. to place the domU-Kernels in dom0's /boot ;-) |
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| 21:56.16 | wols | Mark_Iron: it is. other devices in your machine like the videocard are not virtualized tho. that comes with penryn end of year |
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| 21:56.43 | Mark_Iron | hi wols ;-) ... |
| 21:57.13 | Mark_Iron | let's me think about wols .. what does it mean what you say ;-) |
| 21:58.07 | Mark_Iron | is penryn the next version of xen wols ? |
| 21:58.24 | mfrisch | no the next cpu |
| 21:58.27 | russo | what does one use instead of xorg-config on debian |
| 21:59.08 | Mark_Iron | hmm m@ mfrisch and wols ... a better hardware virtualization than VT ??? |
| 22:00.18 | mfrisch | http://news.com.com/Intel+shows+off+Penryn+chips/2100-1006_3-6153973.html |
| 22:00.23 | frankr | dpkg --configure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:01.06 | russo | is there a xorg.conf file? |
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| 22:01.20 | omg2 | is there any command to search for wmv. Say like apt-get search |
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| 22:01.28 | frankr | russo: dpkg --configure xserver-xorg |
| 22:01.30 | Mark_Iron | merci mfrisch ! .. I will read it immediately |
| 22:01.46 | omg2 | "/msg dpkg wmv plugin |
| 22:01.53 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: no problem are you French?? |
| 22:01.55 | frankr | omg2, apt-cache search <regex> |
| 22:02.00 | Mark_Iron | no mfi |
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| 22:02.12 | Mark_Iron | no mfrisch ... german ;-) |
| 22:02.23 | mfrisch | aah. |
| 22:02.28 | frankr | omg2: are you trying to get something that will play wmvs in firefox? |
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| 22:02.36 | omg2 | yes |
| 22:02.45 | Mark_Iron | *lol* .. sprichst Du etwa deutsch ? ;-) @ mfrisch |
| 22:02.45 | omg2 | frankr: yes |
| 22:02.50 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.14 | frankr | omg2: apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 22:03.25 | frankr | totem and mplayer won't play wmvs w/o win32 codecs |
| 22:03.29 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: more french ;-O some of my family are there. |
| 22:03.32 | frankr | actually I'm not sure about totem |
| 22:03.36 | tolsen | hey. has anyone the etch RC2 installer? |
| 22:03.44 | tolsen | *tried* |
| 22:03.56 | mfrisch | frankr: mplayer doesn't use w32codecs for wmv |
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| 22:04.10 | Mark_Iron | I've tried to learn french ... however this language is a bit difficult for me mfrisch ;-) |
| 22:04.58 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: I grew up with kids that spoke 5 + languages I gave up a long time ago. |
| 22:05.16 | Mark_Iron | *lol* @ mfrisch ;o))) |
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| 22:05.52 | omg2 | frankr: thanks |
| 22:06.34 | mfrisch | frankr: the only thing that "needs" w32codecs anymore is gstreamer based players..except for other formats |
| 22:06.59 | jake | probably xorg elsewhere |
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| 22:08.31 | Mark_Iron | one interesting thing I've found today is that you DON'T have to use MBR if using directly HDD partitions with installed OS-es (for installation in them) |
| 22:08.37 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: ^^ |
| 22:08.55 | Mark_Iron | if runnig xen |
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| 22:09.31 | wols | Mark_Iron: linux doesn't need a partition table either |
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| 22:09.38 | wols | but it certainly helps if you run windows |
| 22:09.39 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: well it a bootloader not mbr and people do use pygrub. but you don't need to |
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| 22:10.22 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is a good ircd server to use? |
| 22:10.31 | Mark_Iron | I'm going to write the bootloader in every particular partition ... @ mfrisch |
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| 22:11.04 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: if you have to ask, the correct answer is none |
| 22:11.11 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: use a jabber server instead |
| 22:11.21 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: for linux its not needed the domU.cfg tells it what to load |
| 22:11.25 | Mark_Iron | the idea would be to use xen wiht such partitons .. OR ... directly boot from such partitions (W/O xen in the second case) @ mfri |
| 22:11.41 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: |
| 22:11.52 | mfrisch | Guerin: I was going to say freenode but that's a better answer! |
| 22:11.54 | ve1drg | . |
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| 22:12.56 | prepro | anybody know how i can figure out if im running 64-bit CPU? |
| 22:12.59 | prepro | i can't find it in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:13.06 | Guerin | prepro: if you don't know, you don't need to know |
| 22:13.08 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you |
| 22:13.15 | Guerin | prepro: employ the eyeometer |
| 22:13.36 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: will be running everything allready..its more work than needed |
| 22:14.25 | Mark_Iron | well .. but not with the whole RAM mfrisch ;-) |
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| 22:15.51 | Mark_Iron | I have only 1GB in my T60p mfrisch |
| 22:15.51 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: ^^ |
| 22:15.52 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: xen chops your ram up for you. if you have one domu running 256mb you will only see 768 in top |
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| 22:16.18 | Mark_Iron | exactly mfrisch ... for some applicataions like creating of install CDs or DVDs it is not too much ;-) |
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| 22:17.33 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you will be allright 128mb is a standard domU that leaves you 500mg for play with 4 domU |
| 22:18.00 | Mark_Iron | ;-) |
| 22:18.06 | maddash | ooh xen |
| 22:18.25 | Mark_Iron | I'm dreaming about at least 3GByte of RAM mfrisch ;o) |
| 22:18.37 | bolt | How can I get flash support for Iceweasel on an x64 install? |
| 22:18.38 | Mark_Iron | hi maddash :-) |
| 22:18.46 | dondelelcaro | bolt: use gnash or a 32 bit chroot. |
| 22:18.51 | rahul | Mem: 7672716k total, 7633684k used, 39032k free, 625692k buffers |
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| 22:20.17 | maddash | Mark_Iron: hi there |
| 22:21.20 | Mark_Iron | I'm trying my luck with xen 3.0.4 maddash ... it is a bit different as I awaited ... |
| 22:21.38 | mfrisch | russo: you just need the xlibs if you mean on the server |
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| 22:22.44 | russo | mfrisch: yeah i know... but then i remembered the qt programming we have to do so i installed kde also |
| 22:22.46 | maddash | Mark_Iron: but does it run windows? |
| 22:23.07 | Mark_Iron | maddash: NOT at all ... I hate M$ *g* |
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| 22:24.49 | maddash | Mark_Iron: er ok |
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| 22:25.26 | irule | hi |
| 22:25.54 | irule | I installed base only and have trouble compiling a kernel, what else should I add? |
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| 22:26.16 | maddash | irule: what kind of trouble? be specific. use pastebin.ca if you need. |
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| 22:26.43 | mnvl_ | i've build my wireless module, now what can i use to configure the wireless interface ?? |
| 22:26.54 | Mark_Iron | mfi_: |
| 22:27.06 | mfrisch | irule: you may need some kernel source I don't know..aptitude install build-essential too |
| 22:27.09 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: do you know the test CD ? - ftp://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/iso/knoppix_v5.1.1CD_20070104_xen3.0.4.0_vbox-20070302+IPAFont_AC20070306.iso |
| 22:27.46 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: it is nice ;-) |
| 22:27.48 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: do it right! |
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| 22:28.18 | wols | irule: why do you need to build a kernel? |
| 22:28.31 | Mark_Iron | yes mfrisch ;-) ... I'm still installing etch amd64 ... |
| 22:28.37 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: and thats not even a recent version of knoppix |
| 22:28.50 | Mark_Iron | you are right |
| 22:29.11 | Mark_Iron | but there are some complex examples of xen config files .. |
| 22:29.16 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: ^^ |
| 22:29.51 | Mark_Iron | and more info http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/index-en.html |
| 22:29.52 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: one of them is to change the boot device...so you can boot of the cdrom to install |
| 22:30.09 | irule | ok Im am trying to follow this http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_p2?s=d6cd88d1a5060f29c07bc4e7aea8fb49& and this is all I get http://pastebin.ca/415889 when I run # fakeroot make deb-pkg |
| 22:30.11 | Mark_Iron | how mfrisch ? |
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| 22:30.47 | irule | and I do have build-essential installed already |
| 22:30.50 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: use xen-tools first. |
| 22:30.52 | Mark_Iron | I'm quite new to the python config-files @ mfrisch |
| 22:31.05 | Mark_Iron | I will do mfrisch ;-) |
| 22:31.09 | jubei_ | anyone have any idea as to why even though the linux-source-2.6.15 package I downloaded is supposed to be version "2.6.15-28.51" , the kernel .deb it produced says "2.6.15.7-ubuntu1" .. ? |
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| 22:32.58 | wols | cause there is no kernel source for 2.6.15 in a debian repo right now |
| 22:32.59 | mfrisch | !kpkg mantra |
| 22:33.08 | wols | there is 2.6.8 and 2.6.18. that's it |
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| 22:33.52 | wols | !tell irule about kp mantra |
| 22:34.01 | mfrisch | wols: thats it |
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| 22:36.11 | Elive_user96 | hi guys! What means pn and un in dpkg -l output |
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| 22:36.54 | jubei_ | wols: eer.. well i'm on ubuntu ;P |
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| 22:37.34 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/415895 reports errors too |
| 22:38.30 | wols | jubei_: then go away and back to ubuntu |
| 22:38.38 | wols | this is the wrong channel for you |
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| 22:38.53 | jubei_ | wols: you would still help you know. |
| 22:38.56 | jubei_ | could* |
| 22:39.30 | irule | please help me |
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| 22:39.38 | mfrisch | "could" |
| 22:39.40 | wols | no I cannot. run debian or fuck off. that's all I can say |
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| 22:40.44 | mnvl_ | how do i set the WEP key for my wireless interface? |
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| 22:42.04 | rpc | how easy is it to control bandwidth? per port or application or process id? |
| 22:42.51 | maddash | irule: what's inside "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2"? |
| 22:42.58 | nn-k-ltop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.13 | maddash | irule: also, why are you compilin 2.6.8.2? |
| 22:43.25 | tore | rpc: check out LARTC |
| 22:43.38 | rpc | tore hmm |
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| 22:43.57 | rpc | thank you - checking on that one |
| 22:44.11 | irule | server2:/usr/src/linux# ls /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 Makefile conf.vars drivers init kernel-headers.revision net sound... |
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| 22:45.34 | maddash | irule: erm, is that where you put your kernel source? |
| 22:45.35 | irule | maddash I am interested percraid |
| 22:45.44 | irule | I guess so |
| 22:46.01 | Anthro | Is there some utility I can use that will take input from stdin, write to a given file, and truncate the file on some signal (or simply close and reopen)? |
| 22:46.28 | karsten | Anthro: tee, logrotate, logger |
| 22:46.41 | karsten | Anthro: ... or named FIFO pipes |
| 22:46.46 | Anthro | karsten: tee will do it? Gotta look into that... |
| 22:46.50 | karsten | Anthro: ... not a total solution, but close. |
| 22:47.02 | rpc | tore well.. wondershaper works for DSL mostly.. i need to control some greater bw.. in graphical way if possible... |
| 22:47.30 | rpc | there is a nice tool for winbloze called NetLimiter, i wonder if there such thing exists for linux |
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| 22:47.38 | tore | lartc is a whole lat more than the wondershape ;) |
| 22:47.40 | rpc | there == '' |
| 22:47.41 | tore | +r |
| 22:48.04 | Anthro | Dammit, the man page says to "info tee" but that just gives me the man page again. I seem to remember there was some gnu tools something prefix needed, but I don't remember what it was. Anyone? |
| 22:48.15 | rpc | tore yes.. and last updated 3 years ago :) |
| 22:48.17 | maddash | irule: the source directory should be "linux-source-[version]" |
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| 22:49.44 | irule | no wonder, so I dont need the kernel-headers? :s |
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| 22:50.03 | rpc | tore plus all it's about in there is tc |
| 22:50.27 | maddash | irule: just rename that directory to its original |
| 22:50.32 | maddash | irule: form |
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| 22:52.36 | irule | which directory? what original form? :s |
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| 22:52.57 | maddash | irule: how did you get the source? |
| 22:53.06 | irule | dselect :D |
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| 22:54.33 | maddash | irule: so you untarred the source, right? |
| 22:54.43 | maddash | irule: untarred into /usr/src/ |
| 22:54.44 | irule | and actually have downloaded loads of useless things lol http://pastebin.ca/415910 ....lol? *CRYING* |
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| 22:54.50 | irule | yes |
| 22:55.26 | irule | that mastra is cool, why did I never find it online googling? |
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| 22:55.58 | maddash | irule: so why the fuck would you execute make-kpkg inside the kernel-headers directory and not the linux-[version]? |
| 22:56.11 | irule | beats me |
| 22:56.17 | EruditeHermit | hi, is it possible to convert a unraid a raid1 system without reformatting? |
| 22:56.25 | irule | Im just a newbie trying to get a server running lol |
| 22:56.35 | Eclipser | !lol |
| 22:56.36 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:56.48 | wols | irule: why compile a kernel at all? |
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| 22:56.53 | maddash | irule: then go read the appropriate documentation and stop wasting our time |
| 22:57.15 | nn-main | where is documentation on using 2 screens |
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| 22:57.22 | nn-main | in liux |
| 22:57.23 | irule | believe me, I have read tons of stuff already, please dont get upset |
| 22:57.26 | nn-main | linux |
| 22:57.37 | irule | nn-main |
| 22:57.47 | irule | nn-main you mean 2 monitors? |
| 22:57.49 | maddash | !tell irule about compile kernel |
| 22:57.50 | nn-main | y |
| 22:57.52 | wols | nn-main: google xinerama howto |
| 22:58.09 | curt | how does hd numbering work in grub? I have hda, hdb, hdc .. is it hd(drivenumber, partitionnum) or hd(busid, drivenum)? |
| 22:58.11 | wols | irule: why compile a kernel at all? |
| 22:58.24 | wols | curt: first |
| 22:58.34 | wols | but grub always starts at 0 so hda1 is 0,0 |
| 22:58.48 | maddash | irule: just install the stock from the stable repository |
| 22:58.54 | nn-main | i mean like running 2 window etc.. on different screens |
| 22:59.02 | irule | wols because aacraid does not come included into regular kernels and the CD I found that does does not have iptables included, go figure |
| 22:59.06 | nn-main | or elongated screen |
| 22:59.22 | curt | wol yes that's what I thought .. dang noc where my box is keeps telling me busid, drive and I thought that I knew better |
| 22:59.40 | nn-main | how do i setup X11 config etc |
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| 23:00.10 | curt | wol they upgraded my ram today and my raid broke .. now i am trying to fix it back up |
| 23:00.12 | irule | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers the iso from this page does have RAID driver for my poweredge BUT iptables support is not included so I must compile |
| 23:00.34 | streuner | !drxx nn-main |
| 23:00.34 | dpkg | nn-main: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:01.01 | streuner | nn-main: or /msg dpkg setup x |
| 23:01.26 | wols | streuner: that won't work for dual monitor will it? |
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| 23:03.10 | streuner | for DUAL montior question i would ask somebody else.. |
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| 23:03.37 | irule | nn-main backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf and # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 23:04.48 | Mark_Iron | re .. how I can check the resolution under etch / KDE ? |
| 23:05.14 | maddash | Mark_Iron: xrandr |
| 23:05.28 | Mark_Iron | thak you maddash ! ;-) |
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| 23:07.03 | Mark_Iron | maddash: and how to set / check the dpi value? |
| 23:07.25 | sprink | is there a codec or player in the sarge tree for wmv3 videos |
| 23:07.43 | HostilePenguin | xdpyinfo |
| 23:08.02 | maddash | Mark_Iron: no clue. xorg.conf? |
| 23:08.39 | HostilePenguin | i need to know how to change kdm resolution |
| 23:08.40 | bzed | !tell sprink about debian-multimedia |
| 23:08.43 | karsten | In exim4 how do I force a delivery attempte on all queued messages? |
| 23:08.58 | bzed | sprink: although I think you have more fun if you update to etch |
| 23:09.01 | HostilePenguin | and xdpyinfo shows present resolution info |
| 23:09.07 | bzed | !tell sprink about sarge->etch |
| 23:09.15 | Mark_Iron | good idea maddash ... I hoped there are some tools to set the dpi value of the display .. my KDE fonts in allmost applications arew TOO big ;-( |
| 23:09.40 | maddash | Mark_Iron: sounds like a gtk problem |
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| 23:09.52 | maddash | Mark_Iron: gtk-theme-switch / gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 23:09.57 | bzed | karsten: exim4 -qff |
| 23:10.02 | Mark_Iron | maddash: it is a standard etcht KDE installation |
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| 23:10.52 | Anthro | karsten: Couldn't find any way to do it without named pipes, so now I'm using named pipes. |
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| 23:12.40 | sprink | bzed: hehe. I guess I could upgrade to etch.. but maybe you can answer this question first.. cause I was hoping to find out when etch becomes stable.. if I was following the 'stable' tree.. and etch all the sudden became the stable tree.. would my next apt-get update/upgrade automatically dist-upgrade to etch or would it keep following sarge until I specifically called dist-upgrade? |
| 23:12.46 | russo | how do i keep xdm from autostarting |
| 23:13.05 | wols | it will follow etch |
| 23:13.09 | karsten | bzed: Thanks. |
| 23:13.15 | wols | russo: man upgrade-rc.d |
| 23:13.24 | karsten | bzed: That's not in the manpage. |
| 23:13.51 | sprink | wols: so it would automatically do a dist-upgrade without me telling it to? |
| 23:14.08 | karsten | bzed: Ah. |
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| 23:14.25 | karsten | bzed: -q[q][i]ff... If ff is present, a delivery attempt is forced for every message, whether frozen or not. |
| 23:14.35 | maddash | russo: man update-rc.d |
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| 23:14.44 | karsten | bzed: compressed options format. I had to search "^ *-q[^ ]*ff" |
| 23:14.59 | bzed | sprink: it'll upgrade to etch excepot you replace stable by sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:15.02 | maddash | russo: use that to turn off the appropriate runlevel script |
| 23:15.12 | maddash | wols: not "upgrade" |
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| 23:15.46 | russo | which one has xdm though |
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| 23:16.05 | maddash | russo: ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:16.17 | russo | oh.. |
| 23:16.21 | bzed | sprink: in reality 'stable' is jsut a link which actually points to sarge. as soon as etch is released, the link will be changed to point to etch |
| 23:17.04 | sprink | bzed: wouldn't that cause conflicts with people following the 'stable' tree in sources.list, since they would start installing packages from etch when they are still using sarge? |
| 23:17.10 | bzed | sprink: which will end up in a HIGH load on all mirrors, because a lot of people using some automatic job will just download all new upgrades in that night :P |
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| 23:17.42 | bzed | sprink: it's almost impossible to install one package from etch without bringing a lot of other packages |
| 23:17.55 | bzed | sprink: at least you'll end with a new libc6 |
| 23:18.19 | sprink | bzed: that is my point.. so they would end up with lots of overhead, deps from sarge and etch |
| 23:18.41 | bzed | sprink: uh? not sure if I understand what you men |
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| 23:18.59 | bzed | sprink: a dependency is no overhead :P |
| 23:19.28 | bzed | sprink: if you upgrade or dist-upgrade (what you should do anyway to get the security updates) you'll end with etch |
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| 23:19.32 | sprink | bzed: if "stable" is pointed to etch from sarge, people who are using "stable" in sources.list will all the sudden start installing packages from etch when they still have all the existing sarge software |
| 23:19.43 | bzed | sprink: and? |
| 23:19.57 | sprink | bzed: that is what I wanted to know |
| 23:20.00 | bzed | sprink: that's how life is if you use 'stable' in the sources.list |
| 23:20.02 | bzed | ah ok |
| 23:20.38 | sprink | okay well thanks for that.. I guess I'll go upgrade to etch now :P |
| 23:20.54 | sprink | I was waiting before to see what would happen |
| 23:21.11 | sprink | since I've never been through a new release with debian before |
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| 23:21.43 | simonrvn | this would be my third |
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| 23:22.09 | perlmonkey | *xfce |
| 23:22.44 | Mark_Iron | test |
| 23:22.47 | bzed | sprink: I'll /msg two urls you probably wanna read |
| 23:23.04 | bzed | !test Mark_Iron |
| 23:23.04 | dpkg | Testing Mark_Iron... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 23:23.31 | bzed | sprink: the final how-to-upgrade documentr is not finished yet, but there you should find most needed information |
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| 23:24.11 | bzed | sprink: what you ahve to make sure is that you have a kernel installed, it may happen that your old one is removed and due to missing dependencies a new one is not isntalled |
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| 23:24.46 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 23:24.56 | sprink | bzed: so I install a kernel from etch tree before doing the upgrade? |
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| 23:25.28 | SymmHome | hrm |
| 23:25.32 | litage | how do you determine what the "X" should be for a virtual interface's name of eth0:X ? |
| 23:25.37 | bzed | sprink: I wouldn;t do that, it would pull a ton of other stuff at the same time |
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| 23:25.52 | bzed | litage: start with 1? |
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| 23:26.11 | SymmHome | can anyone in here confirm that the old debian-amd64 tree on the mirrors is now integrated into the standard debian tree? |
| 23:26.19 | litage | bzed: can you start with zero? |
| 23:26.31 | markybob | SymmHome: yes |
| 23:26.33 | bzed | SymmHome: the old amd64tree is sarge, etch contains amd64 now |
| 23:26.41 | markybob | SymmHome: you might wanna try #debian-amd64 for more questions, though |
| 23:26.58 | bzed | litage: yes |
| 23:27.04 | DukeDrake | I did a "apt-get install locales" ... and now it says something about replacing the libc6 ... |
| 23:27.16 | litage | bzed: must the numbering be sequential? |
| 23:27.17 | bzed | DukeDrake: upgrading to etch? |
| 23:27.19 | SymmHome | Im just trying to setup my debian mirror properly before applying to actually make it an official mirror |
| 23:27.23 | SymmHome | and wanna be sure I have whats correct |
| 23:27.25 | bzed | litage: afaik no |
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| 23:27.26 | DukeDrake | bzed:? |
| 23:27.30 | SymmHome | at the moment I still have an amd64 tree |
| 23:27.34 | bzed | DukeDrake: are you upgrading to etch? |
| 23:27.50 | DukeDrake | bzed: I only executed "apt-get install locales" |
| 23:27.53 | bzed | SymmHome: there's a mirror howto |
| 23:27.59 | SymmHome | bzed got a url? |
| 23:28.03 | DukeDrake | in order to finally properly set up my locales |
| 23:28.12 | bzed | DukeDrake: did you change /etc/apt/souirces.list? when did you update/upgrade the last time? |
| 23:28.21 | DukeDrake | about 2 Weeks ago |
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| 23:28.47 | litage | thanks bzed |
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| 23:29.41 | DukeDrake | Thing is ... I'm doing this on a Pentium with 233MHz and 'very' little RAM. And it said "Setting up libc6(2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5)" about half an hour ago .. |
| 23:29.58 | bzed | SymmHome: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 23:30.01 | DukeDrake | I just wonder how long I'll have to wait o.o |
| 23:30.12 | bzed | DukeDrake: is it still alive? |
| 23:30.23 | bzed | DukeDrake: as in... are you able to use any othe console? |
| 23:30.29 | DukeDrake | hm... can you tell? |
| 23:30.37 | DukeDrake | mh.. no |
| 23:30.43 | bzed | DukeDrake: are you on console? |
| 23:30.48 | bzed | press alt+f2 |
| 23:30.49 | DukeDrake | on, I'm on X |
| 23:30.58 | bzed | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:31.08 | DukeDrake | no answer |
| 23:31.38 | bzed | seems there's an issue : |
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| 23:32.04 | bzed | DukeDrake: is the harddisk still doing stuff/ |
| 23:32.05 | mfrisch | bzed: yeah he's installing on a pda uhm pc |
| 23:32.07 | bzed | ? |
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| 23:32.50 | bzed | DukeDrake: well.. I guess it probably ran out of ram and killed some processes... libc6 is huge... |
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| 23:32.53 | DukeDrake | bzed: dunno. The hdd is a cf with no activity LED |
| 23:33.01 | bzed | DukeDrake: how much ram does it have? |
| 23:33.07 | DukeDrake | I'll just wait till tomorrow ^ |
| 23:33.10 | DukeDrake | ^^ |
| 23:33.24 | hackmiker | hi how do i install and enable gd for php in debian? i did an apt-get install libgd2. now what? |
| 23:33.33 | bzed | DukeDrake: I doubt that will help |
| 23:33.43 | bzed | DukeDrake: you could do it of course. |
| 23:33.49 | bzed | DukeDrake: do you head the hdd move? |
| 23:34.11 | bzed | hackmiker: apt-cache search php gd ? |
| 23:34.17 | DukeDrake | bzed: again: the hdd is a compactflash card. |
| 23:34.18 | hackmiker | ok will try |
| 23:34.30 | bzed | hackmiker: find the module, install it ;) |
| 23:34.35 | bzed | DukeDrake: err, damn sorry |
| 23:34.48 | bzed | DukeDrake: well... what you really want to do is: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 23:35.02 | bzed | DukeDrake: that was made for old pcs with not enough ram |
| 23:35.22 | bzed | DukeDrake: how much ram and swap do you have? |
| 23:36.59 | hackmiker | bzed, ok it worked, thanks. |
| 23:37.14 | hackmiker | and how do i enable mod_rewrite? |
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| 23:37.43 | DukeDrake | bzed: I need a kernel which is uncompressed for this thing here |
| 23:38.05 | DukeDrake | bzed: 96MB ... and ... well ... 20MB free? -.- |
| 23:38.28 | mfrisch | DukeDrake: and you got X to work? |
| 23:39.00 | DukeDrake | yeah o.o |
| 23:39.09 | DukeDrake | works quite fine |
| 23:39.34 | DukeDrake | I just wonder why it wants to install libc6, when I just want the locales? |
| 23:39.58 | streuner | they depends each other... |
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| 23:41.00 | streuner | !depends locales |
| 23:41.08 | dpkg | locales: depends on glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1, debconf | debconf-2.0 |
| 23:41.22 | bzed | DukeDrake: but I can really suggest to use damn small linux, |
| 23:41.31 | bzed | DukeDrake: it'll be times more fun on such a machine |
| 23:41.38 | bzed | DukeDrake: and it'll jsut work |
| 23:41.46 | bzed | DukeDrake: debian is way to heavy |
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| 23:42.19 | bzed | !slap streuner |
| 23:42.34 | bzed | streuner: what's wrong with dsl? |
| 23:42.40 | DukeDrake | bzed: thing is, I just ordered 2 more of those ^^ |
| 23:42.46 | DukeDrake | So I can play around a bit ^^ |
| 23:42.47 | streuner | bzed: dude, be glad that there isn't a 'mhallsmite' nowadays... |
| 23:43.27 | bzed | :P |
| 23:43.35 | bzed | DukeDrake: have a link to them? |
| 23:43.56 | bzed | !shit |
| 23:43.57 | dpkg | shit is, like, fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 23:44.22 | karsten | Anyone have experience with rsync for directory trees w/ millions of files in them? Any performance tips / cautions? |
| 23:45.24 | DukeDrake | bzed: hang on a sec |
| 23:45.38 | mfrisch | karsten: do a dry run first? |
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| 23:45.54 | karsten | mfrisch: Heh. |
| 23:46.02 | bzed | karsten: it works for us, we're rsyncing about 3TB at the moment, because there was no other way. but afaik is rdist faster |
| 23:46.13 | DukeDrake | bzed: hav some pitchas: http://tinyurl.com/ypn45a |
| 23:46.24 | karsten | bzed: file count matters due to stat and other overhead. |
| 23:46.29 | karsten | bzed: How many files for that 3 TB? |
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| 23:46.46 | karsten | bzed: We're talking devlopment workstations where daily jobs produce ~500k files. |
| 23:46.55 | mo1991 | ftp.debian.org updates for etch repository seems to have changed? Any info |
| 23:47.24 | bzed | karsten: well... guess about 1000 users with their browser caches, a ton of junk from renderers like maya and the rest |
| 23:47.53 | bzed | mo1991: no, didn't change anything. ftp.debian.org just had some hickups, use a different mirror |
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| 23:48.36 | karsten | bzed: Hrm. Where does konqueror store its cache? |
| 23:48.37 | mo1991 | bzed what is another us server for updates? |
| 23:48.57 | DukeDrake | bzed: what d'ya think? =) |
| 23:49.09 | streuner | mo1991: search for 'mirrors' - there are plenty of US servers |
| 23:49.35 | streuner | mo1991: what kind of 'update' - for security? |
| 23:49.48 | mo1991 | struener - but do these mirros have the latest security updates? I use the mirror ftp.us.debain.org but it doesn't have the security update |
| 23:49.56 | mo1991 | yes, updates for security |
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| 23:50.05 | mo1991 | normal repository not working |
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| 23:50.32 | sprink | I can't get my kernel package to be marked as manual.. or atleast I can't tell if it is or not |
| 23:51.08 | sprink | it still just has the 'i' next to it.. nothing states it is set to manual |
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| 23:51.43 | karsten | /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER |
| 23:51.46 | mo1991 | struener - and other mirros do not seem to have the security updates???? |
| 23:52.13 | streuner | no, the 'security' servers are limited |
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| 23:52.50 | mo1991 | streuner - know of another mirror for security other than the normal debian.org one? |
| 23:52.56 | mo1991 | why iis it down? |
| 23:53.10 | streuner | mo1991: what's the exact command? |
| 23:53.20 | streuner | (and output) :-) |
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| 23:54.12 | wols | mo1991: cause it's iis, duh! |
| 23:54.23 | streuner | You don't run sarge then :-) |
| 23:54.24 | sprink | according to the wiki, I should be using "search 'i~M <package>'" to check if a packages are set to auto or manual.. but it doesn't return nothing for me |
| 23:54.37 | russo | hat is the 2 digit number |
| 23:54.39 | bzed | DukeDrake: so it's just a normal thin client? |
| 23:54.44 | Roy | has anyone had any experience with running SunRay Admin software suite on debian? Does anyone know what kind of optimizations or considerations should be taken to get it running? Yes, I've looked over the primary guide for sunray on debian |
| 23:54.45 | russo | the one that isn't the init number |
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| 23:54.50 | wols | russo: determines at which point it gets called |
| 23:54.57 | wols | lower numbers first |
| 23:55.16 | russo | wols: how do i find out what the default is? |
| 23:55.20 | wols | Roy: since it's sun software, a sun jvm? |
| 23:55.28 | wols | russo: default of what? |
| 23:55.32 | russo | gdm |
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| 23:55.50 | russo | i was just curious |
| 23:55.53 | Roy | wols: it doesn't run in a jvm i believe |
| 23:55.54 | wols | by looking in the rc?.d directory for example |
| 23:56.12 | Roy | i'm tired of using vmware with a solaris guestos to get it to work |
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| 23:56.48 | wols | Roy: since it's not software in debian, I doubt you find people knowledgeable about it here |
| 23:57.06 | Roy | ok, just wondering |
| 23:57.41 | bzed | Roy: give me a minute |
| 23:58.05 | mfrisch | wols: I'm still trying to figure out what it does? |
| 23:58.14 | bzed | Roy: http://scuttle.buzzzed.de/tags.php/sunray all I know about it so far. going to try it in a month or 2 |
| 23:58.18 | maddash | amphi: are you there? can you `grep X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ /boot/config-{uname -r}` as well as `grep X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_ACPI /boot/config-{uname -r}` ? thanks. |
| 23:58.58 | wols | mfrisch: what does? |
| 23:59.09 | mfrisch | sunray |
| 23:59.36 | Roy | thanks bzed |
| 23:59.39 | wols | it's a little dinky overpriced sun which is basically a NetPC |
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| 23:59.43 | _syphilis_ | mfrisch: server for dumb X terminals |
| 23:59.47 | wols | "the network is the computer" era IIRC |
| 23:59.47 | bzed | mfrisch: a sunray? it's a dumb thing which is like a network card connected to a grphics card with some audio and usb jacks |
| 23:59.51 | _syphilis_ | (not really X terminals, but same idea) |
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