| 00:00.11 | Roy | mfrisch: it's a thin client server program |
| 00:00.29 | wols | aren't the terminals called sunray? and in the back there is this huge sun server watching benevolent over all? |
| 00:00.34 | mfrisch | aah |
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| 00:00.54 | _syphilis_ | the server software is just "sun ray server software" (SRSS), iirc |
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| 00:02.53 | sprink | how can I check if a package is marked auto or manual? |
| 00:03.05 | karsten | sprink: dpkg -l |
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| 00:03.28 | \amethyst | sprink: in aptitude? |
| 00:03.32 | sprink | karsten: it doesn't seem to show |
| 00:03.39 | russo | how can i install a deb package |
| 00:03.47 | russo | so its a deb file i got |
| 00:03.51 | karsten | russo: man dpkg aptitude |
| 00:03.54 | \amethyst | russo: dpkg -i |
| 00:03.56 | sprink | \amethyst: in anything |
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| 00:04.07 | karsten | sprink: Hrm. |
| 00:04.08 | bzed | Roy: if you're going to try it, please let me know if you were successfull. I need to run it, too |
| 00:04.09 | \amethyst | sprink: What do you mean by "marked auto"? |
| 00:04.24 | Roy | will do bzed |
| 00:04.29 | sprink | \amethyst: marked as automatically installed or manually to be updated/removed |
| 00:04.56 | \amethyst | sprink: dpkg and apt-get don't mark things auto/manual |
| 00:04.57 | androide | hello, i have a little problem, it's my first time installing DEBIAN, get this error trying to "startx", "could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 00:04.58 | karsten | sprink: aptitude show <package> |
| 00:05.03 | androide | what i should do to fix this? |
| 00:05.04 | sprink | I set vim to manual using 'aptitude unmarkauto vim' and it doesn't change anything with the package |
| 00:05.14 | karsten | sprink: only packages installed via aptitude will be marked this way. |
| 00:05.30 | androide | searching on the web shows some xgl stuff, i don't want that shiat anyway |
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| 00:05.51 | \amethyst | sprink: aptitude show vim | grep ^Auto |
| 00:05.59 | androide | i'm using vesa as driver, but that's not the problem |
| 00:06.12 | sprink | ah I see it's a aptitude specific thing. thanks |
| 00:06.24 | mfrisch | androide: how did you install X? aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 00:06.26 | bzed | !fixed |
| 00:06.26 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 00:06.57 | bzed | androide: ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:07.01 | bzed | n8n8 |
| 00:07.43 | karsten | androide: If vesa doesn't work, remember ... |
| 00:07.51 | karsten | androide: ... for everything else, there's mastercard. |
| 00:09.11 | androide | mfrisch: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 00:09.20 | androide | isn't a vesa problem |
| 00:09.26 | androide | is the PATH of the fonts |
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| 00:10.02 | karsten | androide: Suspect you don't have fonts or fontserver installed. |
| 00:10.18 | androide | it might be |
| 00:10.29 | androide | which is the exact name of that package? |
| 00:10.39 | \amethyst | xfonts-base |
| 00:10.51 | karsten | !tell androide about set up x |
| 00:11.20 | karsten | androide: install either x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 00:12.36 | androide | ok |
| 00:12.41 | androide | installing |
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| 00:13.45 | amphi | maddash: CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF is not set |
| 00:14.42 | amphi | maddash: CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_ACPI=y |
| 00:15.32 | androide | it works now, thank you |
| 00:15.36 | maddash | amphi: thanks. you followed the directions in the patching.procedure.txt, i take it |
| 00:16.02 | maddash | amphi: talking about the undervolting patch, i mean |
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| 00:17.30 | junix | my company wants to setup a bridge/firewall using debian, is the bridge function of the kernel compiled into the debian stock kernel? |
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| 00:19.35 | amphi | maddash: I don't recall ;) the patch applied cleanly |
| 00:19.44 | curt | wols, back online .. do these look like sane menu.1st entries? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5882 |
| 00:19.50 | dondelelcaro | junix: yes, as a module. |
| 00:19.52 | amphi | maddash: and the undervolting works |
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| 00:20.01 | Mark_Iron | probably yes junix ... check for bridge-utils ... |
| 00:20.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell junix -about kernel config |
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| 00:20.19 | junix | dondelelcaro: i don't want to have re-compile... |
| 00:20.39 | dondelelcaro | junix: which is why it's available as a module. |
| 00:20.54 | junix | ok |
| 00:21.01 | dondelelcaro | junix: I told you about the kernel configurations so you can find out what is built into the kernel on your own. |
| 00:21.07 | junix | ok |
| 00:21.09 | junix | thx |
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| 00:26.01 | curt | that paste in not exactly specific to wols .. anyone who might know can have a looksee, dondelelcaro ;) |
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| 00:27.42 | dfx- | how do I prevent a software package from being installed? I've tried using hold with --set-selections but apt-get still tries to install it. I have installed the package I'm trying to hold using the source so I would rather not overwrite it. |
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| 00:29.32 | peterS | dfx-: the simple approach is to install the package, _then_ overwrite it with your local install, and set a 'hold' on the package (can be done with 'aptitude hold'). alternatively, create a dummy package using 'equivs' and install that |
| 00:30.56 | dfx- | hmm, so I can't "hold" the package until it's been installed? I've also played around with the apt preferences file and couldn't get that working, either. I'll look into creating the dummy package .. thanks for your help |
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| 00:35.34 | dondelelcaro | curt: they look ok at first glance, although you shouldn't have to specify options to md. |
| 00:35.56 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: the alternative is to use equivs |
| 00:36.19 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: I'm looking into that right now |
| 00:36.40 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: which is generally what you want to do when you've installed a package by another means. [An additional alternative is to use dpkg-divert to divert away the parts of the package that you don't want, but that's generally only workable for a few files, not entire packages.] |
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| 00:40.41 | curt | dondelelcaro, it should work then without the md=0,/dev/hda1,/dev/hdb1 part? |
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| 00:42.05 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help! I'm headed to the house, I'll pick this up again tomorrow |
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| 00:43.59 | sprink | my upgrade wasn't succesful :( |
| 00:44.08 | scv | :( |
| 00:44.10 | sprink | and I followed the wiki |
| 00:45.02 | sprink | during the aptitude dist-upgrade I have a few ubmet dependencies which are uninstallable |
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| 00:47.41 | dondelelcaro | curt: yes; the md module should be capable of detecting the raid devices uatomatically. |
| 00:49.10 | curt | dondelelcaro, thanks .. I hadn't set hdb and when the box was taken down for a ram upgrade the hda broke and I got stuck .. now it should work properly. |
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| 00:50.18 | exobuzz | hi. Im adding a usb hd to machine i have only remote access to. As such, I don't want to mount it from fstab, as that happens before networking is started, and in case of some failure, i want to be able to log in. So I can create an entry in fstab with noauto and "0" for fsck order so it doesnt get checked. Then I can mount later on. I want it mounted BEFORE apache/proftp etc as it will have files on it needed by those daemons and |
| 00:50.18 | exobuzz | others. Is the update-rc.d "defaults" suitable for this, ? Also, how can i check if a disk is not clean and needs fsck? Or should i just run fsck on it every boot and let fsck decide ? |
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| 00:52.42 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one please point to an source for exhaustive doc on /proc enteries . i tried searching on the net and referred to /usr/src/linux/Doc* . would appreciate some help |
| 00:53.28 | karsten | thelostbutler: man 5 proc |
| 00:53.47 | karsten | thelostbutler: That, and the manpages it references, should do you very well. |
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| 00:54.45 | karsten | thelostbutler: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/proc.5.html (though you should have same locally) |
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| 00:56.04 | thelostbutler | karsten: i did do that. the manual hasn't been updated since 2005 i am looking for explanation on enteries /proc/net/rpc/nfs /proc/net/rpc/nfsd |
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| 00:57.02 | sprink | this is horrible.. I can't seem to satify any of these broken deps.. |
| 00:57.05 | karsten | thelostbutler: Hrm. You might have a point there. |
| 00:57.25 | multi_io | yeah, 687 inmates... |
| 00:57.25 | karsten | thelostbutler: What in particular WRT NFS? That strongly resembles my own private hell as well. |
| 00:58.15 | sprink | I'm having problems with packages conflicting with libg1l which is a virtual package |
| 00:58.24 | sprink | libgl1 * |
| 00:58.47 | thelostbutler | karsten: nothing wrong as such, we are tryign to write a script that gathers stats in the env, so was looking at the contents to make sense |
| 00:59.20 | karsten | thelostbutler: Yeah. I'm looking at kernel sources now. |
| 00:59.37 | karsten | thelostbutler: I don't see anything in either the fs/proc tree or the drivers/net three |
| 01:00.28 | thelostbutler | :D |
| 01:00.41 | karsten | s/three/tree/ |
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| 01:02.08 | karsten | thelostbutler: Check in net/sunrpc/clnt.c |
| 01:02.15 | thelostbutler | okay |
| 01:02.20 | karsten | thelostbutler: http://lkml.org/lkml/2002/12/12/36 |
| 01:02.27 | karsten | thelostbutler: Trond's the kernel NFS guy. |
| 01:03.02 | thelostbutler | cool thanks :) |
| 01:03.05 | karsten | also: ./Documentation/rpc-cache.txt ./fs/nfsd/stats.c ./net/sunrpc/stats.c |
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| 01:04.08 | karsten | thelostbutler: That's cache hits and misses. fs/nfsd/stats.c has struct for /proc/net/prc/nfsd |
| 01:04.51 | thelostbutler | oh okay, will look at them thanks a lot bud. |
| 01:05.54 | karsten | thelostbutler: NP. |
| 01:06.10 | karsten | thelostbutler: Appreciate the question because I'm in a shop where we break this stuff a lot. |
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| 01:09.19 | sprink | god.. this blows |
| 01:10.06 | karsten | sprink: Now it sucks. |
| 01:10.15 | karsten | sprink: But it doesn't suck ... |
| 01:10.18 | karsten | sprink: ... like ... |
| 01:10.23 | karsten | sprink: ... a VAX. |
| 01:10.30 | viss | we're all up on the 40th floor |
| 01:10.32 | viss | if anyone wants in |
| 01:10.32 | viss | ;b |
| 01:10.33 | karsten | sprink: Because *nothing* sucks like a VAX. |
| 01:11.02 | sprink | hehe |
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| 01:11.57 | sprink | x11-common conflicts with xfree86-common.. and yet I can't remove/fix either one of them |
| 01:12.21 | karsten | sprink: stable or testing? |
| 01:12.32 | karsten | sprink: Suggestion: just install xorg, forget about xfree86. |
| 01:12.36 | sprink | karsten: in the process of stable->testing when this happen |
| 01:12.53 | karsten | sprink: Uninstall the packages, do the upgrade, install the xorg packages. |
| 01:12.54 | sprink | karsten: it won't let me install xorg when it's conflicting with xfree86 |
| 01:13.12 | sprink | and I can't remove xf86 without breaking 30 other packages :\ |
| 01:13.22 | psykidellic | sprink, is reinstalling an option for you? |
| 01:13.36 | karsten | sprink: You should be able to remove the server-side stuff. |
| 01:13.38 | psykidellic | sprink, i recently installed a new sarge basic system |
| 01:13.54 | psykidellic | upgraded and then installed X Window desktop system...was clean and simple! |
| 01:13.57 | karsten | sprink: And honestly, even if you've got to uninstall and reinstall the other 30, it shouldn't matter. |
| 01:13.59 | sprink | reinstalling is at the bottom of my list for things to do |
| 01:14.19 | karsten | sprink: Just make a note of which they were, let 'em fade out, and reinstall post-upgrade. |
| 01:14.26 | karsten | sprink: Odds are they're updated anythow. |
| 01:14.29 | karsten | anyhow. |
| 01:14.37 | psykidellic | sprink, karsten is correct! |
| 01:14.57 | psykidellic | later on when you reinstall...apt-get will automatically find dependency and do it for you! |
| 01:14.58 | sprink | well the problem is |
| 01:15.01 | psykidellic | thats why apt-get rocks :) |
| 01:15.25 | sprink | when I try to mark xfree86 to remove it, it says no packages are going to be removed because packages are marked for upgrade |
| 01:15.34 | sprink | even though I marked it for removal |
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| 01:15.51 | karsten | psykidellic: ... and why aptitude rocks harder. |
| 01:16.00 | karsten | sprink: get a list of packages. |
| 01:16.11 | karsten | sprink: 'aptitude remove <packagelist>' |
| 01:16.14 | karsten | sprink: Upgrade. |
| 01:16.17 | psykidellic | karsten, :) I dont use aptitude...apt-get does the job for me! |
| 01:16.21 | karsten | sprink: 'aptitude install packagelist' |
| 01:16.33 | karsten | !tell psykidellic about aptitude |
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| 01:16.56 | karsten | psykidellic: aptitude is the new black. It's also recommended over apt-get (and by default) in etch. |
| 01:17.18 | psykidellic | karsten, hmmm...will give it a try! |
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| 01:17.34 | karsten | psykidellic: The logging and handling of dependencies/recommends rocks. |
| 01:17.34 | psykidellic | recently into Linux.... |
| 01:17.45 | psykidellic | before i was in Windows...then last 6 months in Mac OS X |
| 01:18.21 | psykidellic | now getting into Linux...so I prefer to do things command line...so that i learn all this intricacies and trust me....when I was in windows world...i thought i knew it all..but then i did some *nix and then i came to know...what a fool i was :) |
| 01:19.32 | sprink | only thing I don't like about aptitude is installing recommended packages by default |
| 01:19.50 | psykidellic | sprink, will keep that in mind.... |
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| 01:20.06 | psykidellic | sprink, thats one reason i like command line tools in linux...they do what they are supposed to do :) |
| 01:21.36 | psykidellic | sprink, :) |
| 01:21.47 | sprink | I'm gonna have to figure out what happen between x11-common and xfree86-common once I get X back up |
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| 01:22.43 | psykidellic | sprink, i will say...that take backup.... |
| 01:22.56 | psykidellic | uninstall both of them |
| 01:22.56 | psykidellic | install xorg |
| 01:23.05 | psykidellic | and xorg configuration is much much easy...xfree86 was pain! |
| 01:24.07 | sprink | I know but xorg isn't in the stable tree |
| 01:24.26 | sprink | hence why I am converting now from sarge->etch |
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| 01:31.11 | androide | hello, i'm trying to set up my wireless [bcm43xx], with archlinux did use ndiswrapper, but trying to modprobe ndiswrapper on debian give some issues about the kernel, "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.", anycase, did install hte kernel headers [2.6.8-3-686], but i'm using kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 01:32.08 | Alam_Debian | you need the kernel headers that goes with your kernel and compile ndiswrapper module |
| 01:32.25 | androide | i can't get my kernel headers via APT |
| 01:32.52 | androide | i suppuse must edit my sources.list to change from sarge to etch |
| 01:33.01 | androide | there're in there isn't it? |
| 01:33.30 | Alam_Debian | you have deb-src entries for every deb entries? |
| 01:33.33 | sprink | I wouldn't recommend upgrading to etch yet, if you don't know that :P |
| 01:33.40 | phogg | androide: kernel headers are available in sarge |
| 01:33.52 | androide | then my problem is the repo :/ |
| 01:34.29 | androide | sprink, why? |
| 01:34.31 | Alam_Debian | package ndiswrapper-source have the sources for nvdiswrapper |
| 01:34.39 | androide | ok |
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| 01:34.53 | phogg | androide: your problem may be in asking the right question. |
| 01:35.01 | phogg | !tell androide about ndiswrapper one-line |
| 01:35.17 | phogg | damn it. |
| 01:35.56 | phogg | !tell androide about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:36.00 | androide | well... on archlinux was sooo much simplier |
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| 01:37.02 | phogg | androide: simplicity is knowing what you're doing. The Debian way is either simple, logical or both. Or sometimes neither, but most of the time it's fine. |
| 01:37.35 | androide | most of the time |
| 01:37.36 | apk | How do you pronounce Debian? |
| 01:37.53 | markybob | !name |
| 01:37.54 | dpkg | name is probably The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
| 01:37.56 | phogg | apk: DEB as in DEBorah, IAN as in, well... Ian. |
| 01:38.11 | phogg | and a handy factoid, even |
| 01:38.51 | apk | I bet there is a factoid for this too: Are there changelogs for each package update? |
| 01:39.16 | phogg | apk: there are. /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ will have a changelog |
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| 01:40.02 | apk | phogg: There sure are. Thanks. |
| 01:40.28 | Harzilein | unnu ab in die falle |
| 01:40.31 | Harzilein | echan |
| 01:40.41 | Harzilein | kintaro0e: nice nickname :)= |
| 01:41.15 | kintaro0e | yah Harzilein |
| 01:41.25 | kintaro0e | cool..soundz rock |
| 01:41.26 | kintaro0e | :)) |
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| 01:42.24 | RodolfoRG | hello everyone |
| 01:43.18 | RodolfoRG | i want to know why my debian instalation has configured my wireless card as eth0, not as wlan0.... |
| 01:43.19 | RodolfoRG | Is there any way I can fix that? |
| 01:44.30 | apk | RodolfoRG: Look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 01:44.44 | markybob | or ifrename |
| 01:45.31 | RodolfoRG | thanks |
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| 01:49.26 | whitenoyce | how do i install tor? |
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| 01:49.55 | androide | which is the repo for etch? |
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| 01:50.08 | androide | !etch |
| 01:50.08 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 01:50.51 | whitenoyce | WHAT IS INVOLVED IN INSTALLING TOR? |
| 01:51.03 | sprink | Stopping portmap deamon is taking a long time |
| 01:52.33 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, what is tor???? |
| 01:52.40 | whitenoyce | tor - the onion router |
| 01:52.42 | sprink | the upgrade worked better 6 months ago |
| 01:52.50 | whitenoyce | http://tor.eff.org/download-unix.html.en |
| 01:52.51 | psykidellic | sprink, i disagree with you |
| 01:52.54 | whitenoyce | Platform |
| 01:52.54 | whitenoyce | Package |
| 01:52.54 | whitenoyce | Setup info |
| 01:52.54 | whitenoyce | Debian sid apt-get install tor Linux/BSD/Unix instructions |
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| 01:53.05 | whaleofconfusion | I just snorfled up some noodles |
| 01:53.09 | whaleofconfusion | nudist ones |
| 01:53.09 | whitenoyce | Debian sid apt-get install tor Linux/BSD/Unix instructions |
| 01:53.11 | sprink | psykidellic: you did a installation from a cd |
| 01:53.14 | sprink | you already said that |
| 01:53.15 | whitenoyce | no worky |
| 01:53.22 | psykidellic | sprink, i did from netinst |
| 01:53.24 | phogg | whitenoyce: what part of apt-get install tor do you not understand? |
| 01:53.30 | psykidellic | a base install..then upgraded to etch |
| 01:53.31 | whitenoyce | phogg, ? |
| 01:53.32 | sprink | psykidellic: that isn't a upgrade |
| 01:53.35 | psykidellic | and it just works smooth! |
| 01:53.37 | sprink | oh |
| 01:53.43 | sprink | a netinst of sarge |
| 01:53.45 | psykidellic | yeah |
| 01:53.57 | psykidellic | because etch was not detecting my ethernet card |
| 01:54.02 | phogg | whitenoyce: you want to install tor? |
| 01:54.05 | sprink | well.. that's not a big deal.. you haven't tried it from a full live system |
| 01:54.09 | whitenoyce | root@Linux:~# apt-get install tor |
| 01:54.10 | whitenoyce | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:54.10 | whitenoyce | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:54.10 | whitenoyce | Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:54.10 | whitenoyce | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 01:54.12 | sprink | full of existing packages |
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| 01:54.17 | phogg | some people do not learn |
| 01:54.24 | sprink | !tell whitenoyce about nopaste |
| 01:54.25 | phogg | whitenoyce: do not paste into the channel |
| 01:54.42 | whitenoyce | ok |
| 01:54.59 | phogg | whitenoyce: are your sources set to include unstable? |
| 01:55.09 | whitenoyce | yes |
| 01:55.14 | whitenoyce | or testing or something like that |
| 01:55.22 | phogg | whitenoyce: ... it is not at all the same |
| 01:55.33 | whitenoyce | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 01:55.33 | phogg | whitenoyce: there's stable, there's testing, and then there's unstable. |
| 01:55.39 | psykidellic | whitebread, paste your sources.list in pastebin |
| 01:55.41 | phogg | whitenoyce: tor is available in unstable only. |
| 01:55.49 | psykidellic | you will need to change the sources.list |
| 01:55.50 | whitenoyce | ok i'm in stable |
| 01:56.00 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, change to unstable! |
| 01:56.17 | whitenoyce | last time i did that i got fucked in a way i didn't want to get fucked |
| 01:56.29 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, its just the name unstable...till date none of my packages have failed |
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| 01:56.42 | phogg | whitenoyce: unstable is for developers and people who can unbreak things WHEN they break, because they will |
| 01:56.43 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, did u do: apt-get update and apt-get dist upgrade |
| 01:56.45 | whitenoyce | well i must have really shitty luck |
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| 01:56.57 | whitenoyce | psykidellic, no way man |
| 01:56.58 | phogg | whitenoyce: what you want is probably a backport. |
| 01:56.59 | whitenoyce | i'm not gonna fuck my shit up twice |
| 01:57.05 | psykidellic | apt-get dist upgrade is the key ... |
| 01:57.15 | sprink | psykidellic: he doesn't want unstable.. leave him be ;) |
| 01:57.16 | psykidellic | otherwise you will have all sorts of dependency problem taht you will have to fix manually! |
| 01:57.22 | phogg | psykidellic: to unstable? Are you nuts? |
| 01:57.25 | debiangrl | anyone know how to get a second monitor to work on a laptop? |
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| 01:57.55 | psykidellic | phogg, trust me...if you are not running some mission critical web server...unstable has never failed me...but then...its just me! |
| 01:58.06 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, if you think you are not sure then dont do.... |
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| 01:58.18 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, in that case...i will suggest that you compile it from the source :) |
| 01:58.35 | phogg | psykidellic: I'm glad you've had such a wonderful experience. Please refrain from recommending stable to users who will get hopelessly lost and hate Debian everafter for the experience. |
| 01:58.49 | phogg | s/stable/unstable/ |
| 01:58.52 | psykidellic | phogg, sorry!!!!! |
| 02:00.05 | phogg | !tell whitenoyce about simple sid backport |
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| 02:00.46 | psykidellic | sprink, best of luck! |
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| 02:01.19 | phogg | Are they breaking lots of stuff? |
| 02:01.40 | whitenoyce | Ask me about <backports> how do i ask that? |
| 02:01.44 | sprink | phogg: I had lots of broken stuff during my upgrade |
| 02:01.54 | whitenoyce | the dpkg bot told me to ask about backports |
| 02:01.57 | whitenoyce | how do i do that? |
| 02:01.58 | phogg | whitenoyce: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:02.21 | whitenoyce | he's not answering me |
| 02:02.28 | whitenoyce | /msg dpkg backports tor |
| 02:02.35 | sprink | !tell whitenoyce about backports |
| 02:02.36 | phogg | whitenoyce: then you're saying something he doesn't understand |
| 02:02.37 | Ronin | no space before the / |
| 02:02.46 | smacher | why does my system stop for a long time at 'Starting MTA:' during boot-up, before coming up with the answer 'exim4'? |
| 02:02.49 | phogg | whitenoyce: he doesn't know about 'backports tor', just 'backports' |
| 02:02.52 | debiangrl | i have my tv hooked up to my laptop and can't figure out how to get the signal out |
| 02:03.00 | psykidellic | no tor |
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| 02:03.19 | \amethyst | smacher: exim4 is taking a long time to start, but I guess the real question is why :) |
| 02:03.30 | psykidellic | debiangrl, sorry...no idea about that! |
| 02:03.43 | aptura | why does apt-get say vsftp is not avaible to install? |
| 02:03.43 | psykidellic | \amethyst, check the logs.... |
| 02:03.48 | \amethyst | smacher: Do you run your own name server? |
| 02:03.50 | asg | \amethyst: probably hanging on DNS if you don't have connectivity |
| 02:03.50 | phogg | smacher: cause exim takres a long time to start, for you. Try stopping exim and starting it manually while the system is up. Does it take a long time? DO you see any errors? Then, chec the log file. |
| 02:04.03 | smacher | \amethyst: yes. |
| 02:04.21 | \amethyst | smacher: what does -s /etc/rc2.d/*{exim4,bind9} say? |
| 02:04.24 | \amethyst | err |
| 02:04.27 | \amethyst | smacher: ls /etc/rc2.d/*{exim4,bind9} say? |
| 02:04.36 | phogg | aptura: vsftpd |
| 02:04.45 | smacher | \amethyst: hang on, checking. |
| 02:04.45 | \amethyst | smacher: in particular, which comes first? |
| 02:04.51 | psykidellic | phogg, damn you...you arew always ahead of me in answering! |
| 02:04.57 | psykidellic | i was just going to give that solution :) |
| 02:05.08 | phogg | psykidellic: saves you the trouble, then |
| 02:05.22 | aptura | Phogg k |
| 02:05.34 | aptura | btw who here uses * ? |
| 02:05.48 | phogg | aptura: what? |
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| 02:05.51 | psykidellic | aptura, my friends suggest me to use the search of synaptic to find out the correct package name if in doubt..... |
| 02:06.03 | smacher | \amethyst: i get: ls: /etc/rc2.d/*bind9: No such file or directory |
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| 02:06.05 | smacher | /etc/rc2.d/S20exim4 |
| 02:06.18 | \amethyst | smacher: What name server are you running? |
| 02:07.20 | aptura | psykidellic so yes if the spelling is not exact then use synamtic. |
| 02:08.29 | smacher | \amethyst: i am only running apache2, without any name server. |
| 02:08.48 | phogg | aptura: apt-cache search vsftp would hafve given you the answer |
| 02:08.54 | debiangrl | what is the debian display admin tool? |
| 02:08.59 | \amethyst | smacher: So you're using your ISP's nameserver? |
| 02:09.02 | whitenoyce | INSTALLING TOR FROM TARBALL! |
| 02:09.07 | aptura | phogg no it did not. |
| 02:09.20 | smacher | \amethyst: should be. |
| 02:09.37 | phogg | aptura: then your package cache is borked. |
| 02:09.47 | aptura | k how to fix? |
| 02:10.01 | phogg | aptura: for me that command returns three packages: ooze, vsftpd and fail2ban |
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| 02:10.19 | phogg | er, sorry. ccze not ooze. Small xterm font... |
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| 02:11.09 | whitenoyce | INSTALLED! |
| 02:11.20 | phogg | whitenoyce: hooray, |
| 02:11.29 | whitenoyce | indeed |
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| 02:12.01 | psykidellic | whitenoyce, see it was not so tough! |
| 02:12.15 | debiangrl | what is the debian display admin tool? |
| 02:12.22 | whitenoyce | psykidellic, yeah that is why i love linux |
| 02:12.24 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 02:12.24 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:12.29 | whitenoyce | lots of high quality software |
| 02:14.17 | smacher | ? |
| 02:14.17 | debiangrl | i want to enable dual head |
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| 02:14.37 | sprink | hehe. It's a good thing I did unmarkauto on my kernel package cause no kernel was installed |
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| 02:15.40 | \amethyst | debiangrl: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624 The procedure shouldn't differ between ubuntu and debian |
| 02:15.50 | sword | !msg debiangrl about xinerama |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | !xinerama |
| 02:16.00 | dpkg | hmm... xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 02:16.20 | \amethyst | The first howto dpkg pasted is for XFree |
| 02:16.27 | \amethyst | so the filenames are a bit different |
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| 02:17.57 | psykidellic | debiangrl, more food for though - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama |
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| 02:21.58 | androide | i have a little problem with the "e" key on the terminals, Eterm and the TTY while not being root |
| 02:22.11 | androide | what i suppose to do to fix this> |
| 02:23.08 | psykidellic | androide, whats the problem? |
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| 02:23.13 | psykidellic | are you not able to write e? |
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| 02:23.52 | androide | i can't type the "e" key on the TTYs and terminals while being not root |
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| 02:29.14 | psykidellic | hmmmmmm....strange! |
| 02:29.19 | psykidellic | but if in root you can??? |
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| 02:34.08 | viss | i wonder about this channel |
| 02:34.14 | viss | is it still active when etech isnt going on? |
| 02:34.27 | centrx | yes |
| 02:34.40 | centrx | this channel has been active for years continuously |
| 02:34.40 | Kobaz | anyone know how one might go about classifing incoming packets for qos using iptables |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | viss: this is about standard |
| 02:34.50 | centrx | obviously there must be times when it is more popular |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 02:34.51 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 02:34.54 | viss | whoa. |
| 02:34.57 | viss | wait #debian?! |
| 02:35.01 | viss | what happened to #etech?! |
| 02:35.04 | Kobaz | abrotman: and that helped a ton... |
| 02:35.05 | viss | my irc client uh.. |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | centrx: during day in the .us .. but this is mostly standard |
| 02:35.12 | viss | did.. funny things |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | Kobaz: it was to tell you to ask #iptables :) |
| 02:35.24 | Kobaz | oh |
| 02:35.31 | viss | okay, my client is possessed. |
| 02:35.31 | Kobaz | okay |
| 02:35.33 | Kobaz | that helps :) |
| 02:35.34 | viss | sorry for false alarm |
| 02:35.35 | viss | haha |
| 02:35.35 | centrx | viss we thought you were referring to etch, the codename for the upcoming release of Debian stable |
| 02:35.40 | viss | oh oh oh |
| 02:35.55 | viss | etch is wonderful and all (im running it now, i think.. unstable tree) |
| 02:35.57 | Kobaz | there's a channel for everything isn't there |
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| 02:36.04 | viss | however, the ETech conference just ended |
| 02:36.08 | viss | there is ;b yeah |
| 02:36.14 | viss | anyway |
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| 02:36.51 | Kobaz | abrotman: classifying outgoing packets is nice and dandy but I can't get iptables to match any incoming packets and classify at the same time |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | Kobaz: though .. since your question was somewhat vague .. those URLs might help also |
| 02:37.26 | Kobaz | abrotman: heh, i've been all over trying to figure this out |
| 02:37.57 | Kobaz | i'm trying to match incoming packets and to a -j CLASSIFY on them |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | #iptables is a bit slow (more active during the day .us time) .. but they're good |
| 02:38.16 | Kobaz | yeah i'm in there now |
| 02:42.01 | Kobaz | i'm stuck using the arcane syntax of iproute2's tc filter at the moment |
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| 02:49.11 | peteweez | How do I get aspell to look at "r\'eveille" and realize that "oh, that means 'réveille" or "\c{c}a" means "ça" (Latex/Tex accent commands)? |
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| 02:57.08 | mehul | What does one need in order to setup wireless on a laptop ? |
| 02:57.21 | mehul | this is on an etch system. |
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| 02:57.52 | abrotman | depends on the chipset of the card |
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| 02:58.08 | dondelelcaro | mehul: wireless-tools and you just need to load the module of the card; possibly the firmware too. |
| 03:00.04 | mehul | how do I find out what card it is and the firmware it has ? This is on an IBM ThinkPad T60p |
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| 03:01.16 | svr4 | mehul: are you using X11? |
| 03:01.16 | chronic1 | anyone ever get a lot of "printk: _ messages surppressed." shooting up in the console? |
| 03:01.22 | dondelelcaro | mehul: http://bellet.info/laptop/t60p.html |
| 03:01.24 | amphi | mehul: lspci - thinkwiki.org may be of use also |
| 03:01.40 | dondelelcaro | ie, you want the ipw3945 wireless driver |
| 03:01.48 | mehul | svr4: not yet, but will be doing so eventually yes. |
| 03:01.52 | mehul | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:01.55 | mehul | amphi: thanks |
| 03:02.17 | litage | i want to upgrade my fglrx-driver package. however, removing it also removes several important X-related packages. what's the proper way to upgrade your fglrx driver? |
| 03:02.17 | mehul | amphi: which package needs to get installed for lspci ? I keep trying it but can't seem to find it on the system. |
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| 03:02.53 | amphi | mehul: pciutils IIRC |
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| 03:03.05 | mehul | amphi: thanks. |
| 03:03.17 | karsten | !find lspci |
| 03:03.27 | svr4 | mehul: vbe can tell you more in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:03.28 | amphi | mehul: you might want to run update-pciids after installing |
| 03:03.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lspci' (3): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils ;; (/usr/share/upstreamdev/log-modules/lspci.py) in admin/upstreamdev ;; (/usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/netwinder/info/lspci, /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/mipsel/cobalt/info/lspci) in devel/debian-installer. |
| 03:03.38 | karsten | pciutils: /usr/bin/lspci |
| 03:03.45 | karsten | !win amphi |
| 03:03.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, amphi! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:04.01 | svr4 | ... |
| 03:04.03 | karsten | "It's a day!" |
| 03:04.18 | svr4 | a day for what? |
| 03:04.57 | peteweez | How do I get aspell to look at "r\'eveille" and realize that "oh, that means 'réveille" or "\c{c}a" means "ça" (Latex/Tex accent commands)? |
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| 03:05.24 | karsten | svr4: Most people. |
| 03:05.34 | svr4 | ? |
| 03:05.43 | svr4 | oh |
| 03:06.05 | sprink | this is weird.. after upgrading to etch (going from xfree86->Xorg) my screen resolution say it's 1024x768 but it sure as hell doesn't look like it is correct |
| 03:06.06 | karsten | !win svr4 |
| 03:06.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, svr4! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 03:06.10 | sprink | looks like 800x600 |
| 03:06.35 | karsten | sprink: Real or virtual. What's native for the HW? Does your screen pan if you mouse to the bottom and/or right? |
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| 03:07.27 | sprink | karsten: no it does not |
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| 03:07.33 | karsten | sprink: xdpyinfo should give you dimensions. |
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| 03:07.56 | karsten | sprink: Otherwise, check your font and WM configs to see if they've changed given a smaller apparent resolution. |
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| 03:09.14 | r4nge | is there something special about /var/log/<file> that a "sudo command >> /var/log/<file>" gets permission denied? the <file> is root:root with u+w |
| 03:09.35 | karsten | r4nge: The redirect runs as you, not root. |
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| 03:09.57 | karsten | r4nge: sudo ( command >> file ) should work, modulo quoting. |
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| 03:10.21 | \amethyst | no it won't |
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| 03:10.28 | amphi | karsten: thanks ;) |
| 03:10.51 | karsten | r4nge: As \amethyst notes, it doesn't work. |
| 03:10.53 | r4nge | this was just a command line test, the command i'm using is actually in a script that is root:root |
| 03:11.06 | karsten | r4nge: But the trick is to run the redirect within the sudo'd shell. |
| 03:11.11 | \amethyst | sudo sh -c "command >> foo" |
| 03:11.11 | karsten | r4nge: OK. |
| 03:11.57 | karsten | echo "df > df" | sudo bash -e - |
| 03:12.05 | r4nge | but never knew a redirect wouldnt run as sudo |
| 03:12.07 | karsten | \amethyst: Yeah. |
| 03:12.20 | karsten | r4nge: The redirect is evaluated in the context of the invoking shell. |
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| 03:12.48 | r4nge | i c |
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| 03:16.56 | r4nge | so in script.. echo "test test" >> /var/log/logg | sudo bash -e |
| 03:17.05 | \amethyst | r4nge: the problem it, it gets parsed as sudo command > file |
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| 03:17.35 | \amethyst | r4nge: the shell handles >, so that happens before sudo is even executed |
| 03:17.57 | Ferret | What are you trying to do? o.o |
| 03:17.59 | r4nge | what i dont get is if the script is owned by root and the log is owned by root, why is sudo even a factor |
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| 03:18.48 | Ferret | The script being owned by root doesn't mean anyone running it can use it to modify root files |
| 03:19.02 | Ferret | You'll find /bin/rm is owned by root, for example ;) |
| 03:19.19 | r4nge | Ferret: trying to get a script that has a redirect to print to a log file |
| 03:19.20 | Ferret | I just use sudo sh -c 'somecommand >> somefile' |
| 03:19.49 | r4nge | well crontab is executing the script |
| 03:20.20 | Ferret | You add it with crontab -e or editing /etc/cron* directly? |
| 03:20.35 | r4nge | placed in cron.hourly |
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| 03:21.05 | Ferret | I dunno who that runs as, maybe root, or maybe a user called 'cron' |
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| 03:21.22 | Ferret | the sudo command I will work in either case anyhow |
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| 03:21.57 | chronic1 | anyone know off hand of what user/group the apache2 package uses for the apache user |
| 03:22.02 | chronic1 | it appears it is simply root:root |
| 03:22.09 | r4nge | hmm, i'll have to check but the crontab file that controls the cron.hourly is root:root so i assumed the scripts are being run as root |
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| 03:22.47 | Ferret | Again, that's not a valid assumption. It depends on how the cron processes works (and if it starts as root, it can choose to act like any user it likes anyhow!) |
| 03:23.17 | Ferret | vixie-cron for one won't even run unless the crontab is root-only permissions |
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| 03:23.38 | \amethyst | the /etc/cron.fooly/* are generally run as root |
| 03:23.44 | \amethyst | they assume they will be |
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| 03:24.00 | r4nge | well figuring it is root, shouldnt the script be able to write to a root log? |
| 03:24.16 | \amethyst | You can change that, but things will break |
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| 03:26.59 | Ferret | r4nge: Well, actually, now you mention it... no. |
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| 03:27.50 | Ferret | r4nge: There are ways of making files unwritable to root, but it's really unlikely |
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| 03:29.33 | GhostlyDeath | hey! I figured out why I can't sleep or hibernate! |
| 03:29.51 | GhostlyDeath | Hibernation and Sleep is not broken at all, but You can only sleep or hibernate as root... |
| 03:29.57 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: amphetamine? |
| 03:29.58 | \amethyst | oh |
| 03:30.01 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to make every user be able to hibernate and sleep? |
| 03:30.46 | GhostlyDeath | i did "acpitool -s" as myself and it couldn't write to /sys/power/state, but when I did it under the root console it worked |
| 03:31.07 | r4nge | Ferret: how would i see under whom is the particular crontab running |
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| 03:31.44 | Ferret | Write a rule 'whoami > /tmp/gnjksdgs' I guess : |
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| 03:32.15 | r4nge | okie, will test |
| 03:32.18 | Ferret | You'd have to put it in the same file (cron.hourly) for it to be a fair and correct test; which sucks because it's now half past the hour n.n |
| 03:32.25 | Ferret | Change your clock? ;) |
| 03:32.31 | GhostlyDeath | ANy suggestions anyone? |
| 03:32.34 | r4nge | i'll just adjust the crontab |
| 03:32.46 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: read up on sudo |
| 03:33.01 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: what if I were to change file permissions? |
| 03:33.18 | Ferret | It'd get reset on reboot |
| 03:33.22 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 03:33.23 | Ferret | And might not even work |
| 03:33.44 | GhostlyDeath | there things I could do with groups also? |
| 03:33.59 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: you can set the permissions and groups peristently in /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 03:34.29 | GhostlyDeath | It's blank |
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| 03:34.47 | GhostlyDeath | in fact the file does not exist |
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| 03:35.15 | Ferret | %users All=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/acpitool -s |
| 03:35.17 | Ferret | Or similar |
| 03:35.21 | \amethyst | you want sysfsutils |
| 03:35.31 | \amethyst | if you want persistent permission settings for /sys |
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| 03:35.52 | \amethyst | it will have a sample /etc/sysfs.conf with everything commented out |
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| 03:36.25 | Ferret | That's probably wrong, anyhow; probably want to read up on a guide in fact |
| 03:36.49 | GhostlyDeath | Can't I add "sys" to my group or something? |
| 03:36.56 | Ferret | \amethyst: Didn't know about that. Nice. |
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| 03:37.54 | GhostlyDeath | ok, I got a blank sysfs.conf |
| 03:38.06 | GhostlyDeath | everythung is commented |
| 03:38.22 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: see the last two lines |
| 03:38.45 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: you'll have to create a "power" group if you don't already have one, or change that to be another group |
| 03:38.51 | GhostlyDeath | #mode power/state = 0660\n#owner power/state = root:power |
| 03:39.17 | GhostlyDeath | there is no power group |
| 03:39.26 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: so pick another group that makes sense |
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| 03:39.46 | \amethyst | or create a "power" group |
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| 03:40.10 | GhostlyDeath | but there is a "powerdev" group |
| 03:40.30 | GhostlyDeath | I'm part of it though |
| 03:40.48 | \amethyst | Good |
| 03:40.49 | zu22 | greets, running Debian testing, would like to be able to vew Chinese characters in firefox, right now every character appears as a box with 2 hexadecimal characters in it :) anyone know how to set this up? |
| 03:41.03 | GhostlyDeath | uncomment it? and change power to powerdev? |
| 03:41.05 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: so change the thing in sysfs.conf to say powerdev instead of power |
| 03:41.07 | \amethyst | yes |
| 03:41.21 | GhostlyDeath | and 0660 will allow me to write? |
| 03:41.47 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: Yes. You'll have to run /etc/init.d/sysfsutils start for the change to take effect |
| 03:41.59 | GhostlyDeath | DO I need to worry about disk, image_size and resume? |
| 03:42.07 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: mode 664 would be okay too if you want all users to be able to see the power state |
| 03:42.40 | r4nge | Ferret: well the test came back as root :/ |
| 03:42.42 | GhostlyDeath | setting variables.. done |
| 03:42.43 | aptura | what should vsftp mode be? 755 does not allow upload |
| 03:42.48 | enema_cow | hey guys, whats the name of the debian install script |
| 03:42.58 | enema_cow | to re-run it after installation |
| 03:43.04 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: the init.d command as root obviously |
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| 03:43.14 | GhostlyDeath | I did it as root |
| 03:43.17 | nash_ | Where i find a emulator for processor 8080, to Linux. |
| 03:43.25 | nash_ | Where i find a simulator for processor 8080, to Linux. |
| 03:43.33 | Agrajag- | enema_cow: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:43.33 | GhostlyDeath | ok, root owns the file and the group is powerdev, owner and group and read/write |
| 03:43.46 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 03:43.50 | GhostlyDeath | I'm going to test standby |
| 03:43.51 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 03:44.06 | \amethyst | nash_: is a Z80 close enough? |
| 03:44.10 | enema_cow | Agrajag-: actually im looking for the ncurses thing thats initially used during setup. im like positive that i can rerun it |
| 03:44.42 | nash_ | \amethyst, nop... microprocessor Intel 8080 |
| 03:44.44 | GhostlyDeath | bac |
| 03:44.47 | GhostlyDeath | back |
| 03:44.49 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone hear me? |
| 03:45.04 | \amethyst | nash_: z80 was designed to be binary-compatible with 8080, but had extra instructions and modes |
| 03:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: it failed |
| 03:45.26 | GhostlyDeath | using gnomes stuff |
| 03:45.32 | nash_ | \amethyst, are similar? |
| 03:45.33 | GhostlyDeath | I'll try acpitools -s now |
| 03:45.39 | \amethyst | nash_: Z80 was a clone |
| 03:46.08 | nash_ | \amethyst, Z80 is processor to MSX??? |
| 03:46.58 | \amethyst | yeah, that one |
| 03:47.19 | nash_ | Where i download it |
| 03:47.20 | nash_ | ? |
| 03:47.26 | nash_ | for Linux |
| 03:47.49 | \amethyst | xmame has a Z80 emulator |
| 03:48.25 | \amethyst | there's also openmsx |
| 03:48.39 | nash_ | but a can't manipulate adress of memories, include instructions in hexadecimal, etc... |
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| 03:48.48 | nash_ | i can? |
| 03:48.54 | AlfadorJanus | whats the package name to install the telnet client? |
| 03:48.55 | \amethyst | I don't know |
| 03:49.03 | nash_ | hummm |
| 03:49.11 | AlfadorJanus | i'm not a debian user, so i'm not very familar with how to use apt-get |
| 03:49.27 | \amethyst | nash_: Debian also has assemblers and some compilers that target z80 |
| 03:49.27 | psykidellic | AlfadorJanus, http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/telnet |
| 03:49.31 | markybob | AlfadorJanus: apt-get install telnet |
| 03:49.31 | psykidellic | looks like telnet! |
| 03:49.46 | markybob | AlfadorJanus: and go read some newbie debian how-to or something |
| 03:50.15 | AlfadorJanus | markybob: making sure before i installed something i really didn't want... the package is called telnet-bsd on gentoo |
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| 03:50.24 | nash_ | I give a simulator for intel 8080 and i can do this... |
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| 03:50.43 | nash_ | \amethyst, thanks informations! |
| 03:51.02 | \amethyst | nash_: sdcc-ucsim is a simulator that supports Z80 among others |
| 03:51.15 | nomasteryoda | ubuntu just screwed up... |
| 03:51.17 | Xenguy | Ron9: yeah, there are bittorrent d/l's here if that works for you: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 03:51.31 | \amethyst | nash_: It probably has more sophisticated stepping etc than the others |
| 03:51.51 | nomasteryoda | .... see this... <intelikey> we have just determined that feisty has broken posix on regex. test# echo -e 'R\nr' | grep '[A-z]' ;echo -e 'R\nr' | sed 's/[a-Z]/E;/g' |
| 03:51.52 | nash_ | sdcc-ucsim |
| 03:51.58 | nomasteryoda | thats so lame... |
| 03:52.07 | \amethyst | nash_: there are pure 8080 simulators out there on the web, if you google for it |
| 03:53.01 | nash_ | package for Debian! |
| 03:53.44 | nash_ | It currently supports Intel MCS51 family, HC08 and Z80 microcontrollers. |
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| 03:54.36 | \amethyst | nash_: what do you need this for, exactly? |
| 03:55.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: ok acpitool works perfectly but GNOME can't go to sleep |
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| 03:56.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: How would I get GNOME to go to sleep so I don't have to constantly go to the console just to suspend my PC? |
| 03:57.11 | scruffy | what's the bot keyword that tells me how to fix the "not authenticated" |
| 03:57.18 | scruffy | ...warning in apt |
| 03:57.39 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg listkeys searchterm |
| 03:58.11 | scruffy | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 03:59.20 | jetscreamer | repeat to get him to list the next ones (or so) |
| 04:00.12 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: Hmm... the dbus configuration should allow group powerdev to do that |
| 04:00.30 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: Did you already belong to group powerdev when you last logged in? |
| 04:00.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | no |
| 04:00.50 | GhostlyDeath_ | SHould I Ctrl+Alt+Backspace or Log out? |
| 04:01.02 | \amethyst | log out then log back in and see if it works |
| 04:01.11 | GhostlyDeath_ | brb |
| 04:01.17 | jetscreamer | you have to log out then log back in for group changes to take effect |
| 04:01.49 | scruffy | I installed the debian-archive-keyring, apt-get updated, and I still get the occasional "warning: the following packages cannot be authenticated" stuff. Anything to worry about there if I'm using official mirrors? |
| 04:02.44 | nash_ | \amethyst, study, computer archteture |
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| 04:04.17 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: nope |
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| 04:05.41 | GhostlyDeath | what about the scripts in /etc/acpi/ ? |
| 04:07.19 | sprink | is iceweasel officially apart of the GNU project now? |
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| 04:11.24 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get to the fullscreen console? |
| 04:11.26 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: that controls what happens when you press the power button |
| 04:11.31 | \amethyst | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 04:11.41 | \amethyst | through f6 |
| 04:12.28 | \amethyst | q |
| 04:12.33 | GhostlyDeath | q? |
| 04:12.40 | \amethyst | wrong window :) |
| 04:12.47 | GhostlyDeath | hey, i never knew you could have 6 consoles and 1 gnome running |
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| 04:14.18 | jetscreamer | why not |
| 04:14.30 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: you can switch users in gnome---that just opens up another gdm on the next available terminal |
| 04:14.45 | jetscreamer | the ctrl is nec. for the gui btw, just alt+F? wil lwork in console |
| 04:15.18 | \amethyst | at the console, [ctrl-]alt-left and [ctrl-]alt-right work as well |
| 04:15.42 | bintut | how can i play .wmv file? |
| 04:15.47 | Vasistha | can anyone recommend a lightweight imap server, to be used just for local caching? |
| 04:16.09 | Vasistha | bintut: /msg dpkg mplayer (and then) /msg dpkg w32codecs |
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| 04:17.50 | spacefrog | ugh, was it a bad idea to apt-get dist-upgrade over ssh? |
| 04:18.11 | bintut | Vasistha: they're all installed on my system.. i'm running debian etch here.. |
| 04:18.18 | \amethyst | spacefrog: nohup |
| 04:18.34 | \amethyst | spacefrog: just in case |
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| 04:19.14 | jetscreamer | !info avifile |
| 04:19.27 | Vasistha | bintut: did you try mplayer yourfile.wmv ? |
| 04:19.41 | jetscreamer | !find avifile |
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| 04:19.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'avifile' (10): avifile-divx-plugin ;; avifile-mad-plugin ;; avifile-mjpeg-plugin ;; avifile-player ;; avifile-utils ;; avifile-vorbis-plugin ;; avifile-win32-plugin ;; avifile-xvid-plugin ;; libavifile-0.7-dev ;; libavifile-0.7c2. |
| 04:20.05 | GhostlyDeath | hmm now I have no sound =/ |
| 04:20.33 | jetscreamer | !info avifile-player |
| 04:20.35 | rainabba | I'm 95% of the way to successfully using KVM under etch, but I'm having a problem with networking. The guest is sucessfully sending packets out (I've logged DHCP requests for example), but the packets (or maybe frames) aren't getting back to the guest. Anyone know how I might test further or debug? I'm running kvm with -net tap,script=/bin/true after creating br0 by hand, then adding tap0 to br0 after I've launched the vs. |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | avifile-player: (video player for AVI/ASF/WMF files), section graphics, is extra. Version: 1:0.7.44.20051021-2.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 04:20.35 | Vasistha | spacefrog: did you read section 4.1.3 from http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:21.04 | bintut | Vasistha: i just did it but i think the problem is the audio codec |
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| 04:21.42 | bintut | Selected video codec: [wmsdmod] vfm: dmo (Windows Media Screen Codec 2) |
| 04:21.43 | bintut | Audio: no sound |
| 04:21.43 | bintut | Starting playback... |
| 04:21.54 | Vasistha | bintut: don't paste in here dude! |
| 04:22.16 | GhostlyDeath | How do I start ALSA? |
| 04:22.33 | bintut | Vasistha: they're just 3 lines.. |
| 04:23.12 | Vasistha | bintut: anyway, can you play other audio files successfully? I don't remember if that line, "Audio: no sound" means that sound is not properly configured, or what |
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| 04:24.56 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: I believe it should usually start automatically when you boot. Are you sure it's not already running? |
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| 04:26.11 | GhostlyDeath | I get no sound |
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| 04:27.27 | sprink | I have packages installed that aren't showing up as installed in aptitude |
| 04:27.37 | sprink | after upgrading to etch |
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| 04:28.11 | sprink | packages that I compiled/installed myself |
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| 04:28.33 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: there are a number of settings related to sounds, for example in kde there's kmix which often needs to be turned on before it can be used; there may be a similar service in gnome, but I'm not sure... |
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| 04:28.56 | Vasistha | sprink: did you use the debian tools to make them into .deb files, and install them with dpkg/ |
| 04:28.57 | GhostlyDeath | Volume Control died |
| 04:29.04 | GhostlyDeath | I forced a reload |
| 04:29.07 | GhostlyDeath | and now i get sound |
| 04:29.24 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: you can probably start the volume control again, although I'm not sure what the gnome app is called |
| 04:29.28 | aptura | so what is boottab? |
| 04:29.32 | sprink | Vasistha: some of them |
| 04:30.02 | sprink | Vasistha: some of them I just did the usual './configure; make; sudo make install' |
| 04:30.23 | GhostlyDeath | Wireless isn't working |
| 04:30.50 | Vasistha | sprink: if you made deb's and used dpkg to install them, aptitude should show them under "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages". If you did "make install" then dpkg and aptitude would not know about them -- which is not recommended. |
| 04:31.58 | jake | what bash rc file should be sourced when logging in or starting an xterm? I have a .bashrc, I symlinked that to .bash_login AND .bash_profile and none of them seem to be used. This is sarge.... |
| 04:32.05 | sprink | Vasistha: I installed irssi from a .deb, and I don't even have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" catagory in aptitude |
| 04:32.30 | Vasistha | jake: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/DotFiles |
| 04:32.30 | bintut | Vasistha: yeah, even mp3 |
| 04:32.32 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 04:32.38 | jake | danke Vasistha |
| 04:33.18 | sprink | Vasistha: nevermind that. I think the irssi version in etch was higher than the one I had installed to it replaced it |
| 04:33.27 | sprink | so it* |
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| 04:34.05 | sprink | I just thought it should have been in the "Obsolete ..." catagory.. but I guess it could have been replaced during the upgrade correct? |
| 04:34.07 | Vasistha | bintut: so, you can play mp3's, but this one wmv is giving your trouble :P sounds typical, actually -- often the codecs do not support new proprietary formats. You can ask #mplayer |
| 04:34.15 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to make shortcuts like in windows? |
| 04:34.30 | GhostlyDeath | SO I can call "acpitool -s" for suspend and -S for hibernate? |
| 04:34.38 | Vasistha | sprink: have you used the search feature? press / forward slash and type irssi |
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| 04:35.09 | Vasistha | sprink: ...and then n to find the next, or N for previous |
| 04:35.46 | sprink | Vasistha: yeah I have.. I was just saying I found irssi but it's not in the "Obsolete.." catagory.. it must have gotten updated during the upgrade, by a etch package |
| 04:36.01 | sprink | because it used to be under the "Obsolete ..." catagory |
| 04:36.29 | Vasistha | sprink: right... yeah, makes sense. it would have upgraded it, if you didn't have it pinned |
| 04:37.11 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: yes, they are called symlinks, and they're actually much more powerful than windows shortcuts. |
| 04:38.51 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: or actually, if you need to pass options with your "shortcut", then you would want either a bash alias (if you're using the command line) or a short script in your PATH, which I could help you set up if you need |
| 04:39.12 | GhostlyDeath | I made a launcher and told it to do acpitool -s and so |
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| 04:44.51 | bintut | Vasistha: ok.. thanks.. |
| 04:44.52 | Vasistha | bintut: sorry I can't offer more useful advice :P good luck! |
| 04:44.52 | bintut | thanks.. |
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| 04:45.18 | Vasistha | bintut: btw, if you have a link, I could try it myself. wmv files sometimes work for me ... but I'm also on etch, so we probably have the same stuff |
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| 04:47.49 | lfs | Does Debian have wine? |
| 04:48.06 | jetscreamer | somewhere |
| 04:48.09 | jetscreamer | !info wine |
| 04:48.17 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.31-1 (sid), Packaged size: 840 kB, Installed size: 2876 kB |
| 04:48.41 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search wine maybe |
| 04:48.55 | lfs | that brings xwine |
| 04:49.51 | lfs | THe only thing I need is wine for pokerstars and something to watch video. |
| 04:50.05 | lfs | And I can return my vista install disk |
| 04:50.27 | jetscreamer | it's probably in contrib but i'm guessing |
| 04:51.22 | jetscreamer | ah guess not |
| 04:52.20 | bintut | Vasistha: http://sipp.sourceforge.net/images/sipp-01.wmv |
| 04:52.41 | lfs | Maybe I just need xwine |
| 04:54.08 | lfs | Maybe wine breaks some Debian rule |
| 04:54.15 | Vasistha | bintut: the video is working for me, but there's no sound -- I don't think this thing *has* sound. Is there supposed to be sound? |
| 04:54.30 | chronic1 | who do you e-mail if a package isn't working (won't install) |
| 04:54.50 | lfs | U can email me, but it wont do any good. |
| 04:54.55 | chronic1 | hah |
| 04:54.58 | Vasistha | chronic1: probably ask about it here first ... what package? |
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| 04:57.00 | chronic1 | gforge |
| 04:57.06 | chronic1 | 4.5 not the 3.5 |
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| 04:57.41 | Vasistha | chronic1: you're installing with aptitude? |
| 04:57.55 | chronic1 | nope -- i just did apt-get gforge |
| 04:58.06 | chronic1 | well |
| 04:58.07 | bhundven | unknown command gforge |
| 04:58.11 | chronic1 | apt-get install gforge |
| 04:58.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | err |
| 04:58.29 | chronic1 | before that i did an apt-get update |
| 04:58.52 | GhostlyDeath_ | The Windows Booting was lost.. how do I boot windows now? |
| 04:59.09 | Vasistha | chronic1: all sounds proper, perhaps you should file a bug at bugs.debian.org |
| 04:59.16 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: you don't! |
| 04:59.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | SerajewelKS: ... |
| 04:59.24 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: but seriously, what boot loader? |
| 04:59.29 | scruffy | the default font and font size in X.org makes me want to stab my eyes out when I launch iceweasel. |
| 04:59.29 | GhostlyDeath_ | GRUB |
| 04:59.36 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: did you install it to the MBR? |
| 04:59.46 | amphi | chronic1: what is it? a heightfield generator? |
| 04:59.49 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: that's kinda strange, the debian installed usually auto-detects a windows installation, and makes a menu entry for it |
| 04:59.50 | GhostlyDeath_ | Debian decided to rewrite /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 05:00.41 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: depending on the partition and drive it's going to be something like: rootnoverify (hd0,0) ; makeactive ; chainloader +1 ; boot |
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| 05:00.56 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: substitute ; with newlines |
| 05:01.20 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'll double check with fdisk to see what format the drives are in |
| 05:01.21 | chronic1 | amphi: was that question really directed at me? |
| 05:01.48 | amphi | chronic1: yes - asking about gforge |
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| 05:02.05 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: if your windows partition is /dev/hda1 then what i gave you should work |
| 05:02.08 | GhostlyDeath_ | would /dev/sda1 be (hd0, 0)? |
| 05:02.13 | chronic1 | gforge is the gpl continuation of sourceforge |
| 05:02.15 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: or sda1 yeah |
| 05:02.19 | bhundven | !gforge |
| 05:02.19 | dpkg | from memory, gforge is http://www.gforge.org |
| 05:02.26 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: if you only have one drive in the box it will be hd0 |
| 05:02.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | The first part. is a recovery drive for windows |
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| 05:03.04 | amphi | chronic1: oh, pfft ;) there was an old hf program called gforge, I thought perhaps it had been revived |
| 05:03.11 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: is it sda2 then? |
| 05:03.13 | piper69 | hello everyone |
| 05:03.20 | GhostlyDeath_ | yeah |
| 05:03.21 | jetscreamer | gforge sucked ass to uninstall... it wouldn't. |
| 05:03.26 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: so (hd0,1) |
| 05:03.51 | GhostlyDeath_ | I edited between "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST", so if this ever hapens again and placing the information after this shouldn't eraseit? |
| 05:04.16 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: yes, that should work fine. or if you prefer, you can put it before the automagic kernels list begins. |
| 05:04.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | The example in the file doesn't show a "boot" for either Windows or Linux |
| 05:05.22 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: i have "boot" for my 'doze entry but not linux |
| 05:05.46 | GhostlyDeath_ | heh, found a backup in menu.lst~ |
| 05:06.11 | GhostlyDeath_ | I don't think you need boot, Windows booting works without it |
| 05:06.26 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath_: shrug, doesn't hurt :) |
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| 05:07.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | 78% Wireless connection to a WAP that's right behind me... |
| 05:07.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | 3 of 4 bars.. sad |
| 05:07.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | net split! |
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| 05:08.52 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm dead tired |
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| 05:09.35 | ndowens | gah, debian needs to make freenode the default irc server, more ppl here than the new "official" one |
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| 05:11.48 | scruffy | ndowens: new "offical" one? |
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| 05:12.19 | SerajewelKS | the one on OFTC or whatever it's called |
| 05:12.22 | ndowens | irc.debian.org goes to oftc i think |
| 05:12.52 | aptura | anyone here use vsftpd? |
| 05:13.01 | zu22 | greets, running Debian testing, would like to be able to vew Chinese characters in firefox, right now every character appears as a box with 2 hexadecimal characters in it :) anyone know how to set this up? |
| 05:13.01 | chronic1 | nah -- this is a mother of a b*tch......it uses a lot of components to help manage software |
| 05:13.11 | chronic1 | only problem is that it is the hardest software i have ever tried to configure |
| 05:13.17 | scruffy | aptura: i use it |
| 05:13.21 | chronic1 | just to get it to work....much less customize |
| 05:13.23 | SerajewelKS | aptura: lots of people. how about you ask your real question instead? |
| 05:13.25 | sprink | zu22: there is no 'firefox' in testing :P |
| 05:13.27 | chronic1 | the package didn't work either |
| 05:13.27 | Vasistha | zu22: there's probably a firefox i18n chinese package of some sort |
| 05:13.36 | zu22 | sprink: i am running an old testing :) |
| 05:13.38 | Vasistha | zu22: ...and, you might have to look under iceweasel |
| 05:13.41 | SerajewelKS | !info firefox etch |
| 05:13.45 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 05:13.46 | zu22 | ok yeah i heard it changed to iceweasel |
| 05:13.56 | SerajewelKS | sprink: owned |
| 05:13.59 | sprink | lol |
| 05:14.03 | sprink | :P |
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| 05:14.52 | scruffy | dumb question: does higher or lower signal levels for wireless mean better singal? |
| 05:15.06 | sprink | scruffy: higher |
| 05:15.09 | zu22 | another question. running gnome in Debian testing and sometimes applications open up below my screen, that is they fall off the screen and i must manually resize (not always possible) or grab the window and pull it back into my 1024x768 desktop, very aggravating, running GNOME 2.03, FVWM95 and XFree 86, anyone know a method i can use to FORCE an absolute boundary of the screen so programs in GNOME/X won't "fall off" the screen? |
| 05:15.18 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: higher is better, but usually the noise is more of a factor. lower noise is better. |
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| 05:15.28 | ndowens | zu22, why not upgrade? |
| 05:15.32 | scruffy | sprink: soembody must be downloading pr0n like no tomorrow then |
| 05:16.02 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: what about quality? E.g. Quality:0/100 |
| 05:16.07 | zu22 | ndowens: because to upgrade it will need to download like 50 different xserver* packages (i only need one x server! heh) and it will remove FVM95 which is my favorite wm :( |
| 05:16.12 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: bad driver |
| 05:16.43 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: meaning, that the driver just isn't providing that information? |
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| 05:16.47 | zu22 | any clue about how to stop programs from falling off the screen? tried googling but no success |
| 05:16.53 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: meaning that the driver is probably shit |
| 05:17.25 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: all noise levels are displaying as -256 dBm |
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| 05:17.41 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: yeah your driver is shit |
| 05:17.51 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: what card |
| 05:18.08 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: the ndiswrapper nonsense.. freebie Netgear WG511 |
| 05:18.26 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: the connection is really great most of the time however |
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| 05:19.31 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: odd, for me ndiswrapper is usually better than native drivers |
| 05:19.43 | SerajewelKS | scruffy: i got nothing for you, sorry |
| 05:19.53 | zu22 | http://rafb.net/p/0x1LH779.html |
| 05:19.56 | zu22 | check out that URL |
| 05:19.57 | sprink | zu22: I know how to do it in fluxbox.. but your best bet would be to fix XFree86 so nothing can get out of bounds like that |
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| 05:20.05 | zu22 | it needs to pull over 400 MB and i am on dialup modem LOL~ |
| 05:20.17 | scruffy | SerajewelKS: its been trouble for me. I filed a bug earlier about ndiswrapper-utils killing wireless on upgrade from sarge to etch. |
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| 05:20.34 | zu22 | and why does it need to remove apache2 and fvwm95 and all that other stuff, and look at all the X servers it wants to install, I only need ONE x server ffs! :) |
| 05:20.57 | zu22 | sprink: can you tell me how to do it in fluxbox? i got that installed so i can choose it in gdm and test it out |
| 05:21.09 | SerajewelKS | zu22: those are x server drivers, each are like 10k |
| 05:21.17 | SerajewelKS | zu22: if that |
| 05:21.31 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ok, is there a way i can upgrade but tell it to NOT remove fvwm95? |
| 05:21.48 | sprink | zu22: in fluxbox you can just right click any windows title bar and tell it to "remember" window positions, dimensions, and many other things |
| 05:21.55 | SerajewelKS | zu22: it's not removing apache either |
| 05:22.15 | zu22 | and is the X.org xserver package smart enough to read my old XFree86 Config file? |
| 05:22.29 | SerajewelKS | zu22: probably |
| 05:22.49 | SerajewelKS | zu22: you can always do the dist-upgrade and install fvwm95 after |
| 05:22.53 | sprink | zu22: if not you can just view your old xfree86 config file and add what's needed to your xorg.conf |
| 05:23.11 | zu22 | sprink: hmm but the problem with this is usually as the program opens, ie i open up firefox and it opens a save dialog box or pops up a new window that falls off the screen, or in general when i open a new application in X, i would like it to automatically prevent it from falling off the screen for every X app I use. |
| 05:23.15 | sprink | the configurations of xfree86 and xorg are pretty similiar |
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| 05:23.44 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: good idea, i'm dreading doing the 400+MB upgrade over slow 3K/s dialup modem <cringe> :) |
| 05:23.52 | sprink | zu22: that's a X problem, not a window manager related problem |
| 05:23.54 | SerajewelKS | zu22: i used to all the time |
| 05:23.57 | mo1991 | ftp.debian.org seems to be down - looking for another repository for security updates? Live in us |
| 05:24.07 | zu22 | sprink: i will keep my old config file around for reference just in case something bad happens |
| 05:24.12 | SerajewelKS | zu22: leave it up all night, if it's not finished in the morning, just resume the next night :) |
| 05:24.22 | scruffy | great, iceweasel doesn' |
| 05:24.26 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: heh ok |
| 05:24.34 | scruffy | great, iceweasel doesn't recognize the backspace as the back button |
| 05:24.37 | zu22 | sprink: ok, is there a way I can tell X to stop doing that? |
| 05:24.39 | sprink | SerajewelKS: how do you stop it and resume it? |
| 05:24.42 | SerajewelKS | zu22: i always used -d though, so it would just download them and would let me do the actual upgrade when i can pay attention |
| 05:24.52 | SerajewelKS | sprink: to stop it you use ^C |
| 05:24.59 | SerajewelKS | sprink: to resume it you use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 05:25.05 | sprink | cool :) |
| 05:25.14 | SerajewelKS | sprink: they made it really tricky like that |
| 05:25.54 | zu22 | SeraJewelKS: ah -d downloads to /etc/apt/cache or wherever and doesn't apply it eh? |
| 05:25.56 | SerajewelKS | s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 05:26.12 | SerajewelKS | zu22: -d does the same thing that happens without -d, except it doesn't actually install them |
| 05:26.19 | SerajewelKS | zu22: so yes |
| 05:26.22 | zu22 | ah :) |
| 05:26.27 | zu22 | thanks for all the help everyone |
| 05:26.29 | SerajewelKS | zu22: but without -d things still go in the cache |
| 05:26.32 | zu22 | #debian forever woo |
| 05:26.42 | SerajewelKS | zu22: nps, good luck |
| 05:26.57 | SerajewelKS | zu22: i think it's /var/lib/apt/cache actually |
| 05:27.12 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: I temd to not delete my cache ever since i screwed up my kernel and was able to save a lot of headache since i had a comptaible kernel package in the cache i was able to "dpkg -i" to save the day heh |
| 05:27.47 | SerajewelKS | zu22: nod |
| 05:28.05 | SerajewelKS | zu22: i clean it regularly :) |
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| 05:28.48 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: It's /var/cache/apt |
| 05:29.00 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
| 05:29.17 | zu22 | and i just noticed mine is 3.3 GB |
| 05:29.19 | zu22 | oh my ! :) |
| 05:29.27 | SerajewelKS | that's why i clean mine regularly |
| 05:29.31 | zu22 | heh yeah |
| 05:29.44 | zu22 | goodnight everyone |
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| 05:40.10 | sprink | hmm |
| 05:40.38 | sprink | any estimates on how long it would take to compile the firefox package in etch under a P2 266 mhz? |
| 05:41.21 | sprink | also I get this: |
| 05:41.22 | sprink | gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory |
| 05:41.23 | sprink | gpg: Signature made Wed 21 Mar 2007 06:18:05 PM EDT using DSA key ID 54FD2A58 |
| 05:41.23 | sprink | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
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| 05:41.47 | sprink | when I apt-get source firefox |
| 05:42.00 | sprink | (those 3 lines were all I wanted to paste) |
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| 05:44.47 | peweeh | !dpkg why aptitude |
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| 05:45.23 | peweeh | hm. |
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| 05:50.13 | sprink | can aptitude be used to get the source packages? |
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| 05:50.51 | AceLan | sprink: apt-get source package-name |
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| 05:51.19 | sprink | AceLan: yes I know that |
| 05:51.59 | aptura | anyone here know how the security of vsftp is setup. seems 755 does not work |
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| 05:52.01 | sprink | AceLan: apt-get != aptitude |
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| 06:06.31 | scruffy | can someone tell me which package the font family Lucida is in? packages.debian.org and apt-cache aren't helping me much. |
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| 06:07.29 | scruffy | got it |
| 06:07.43 | SerajewelKS | why do i get this with xinit: AUDIT: Fri Mar 30 02:06:55 2007: 30573 X: client 1 rejected from local host |
| 06:07.50 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:08.30 | scruffy | valdyn: may install that rather than the msttcorefonts package. |
| 06:09.37 | scruffy | valdyn: geez, it wants to install Java! |
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| 06:09.37 | scruffy | valdyn: 85 mgabytes! :) |
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| 06:09.37 | valdyn | scruffy: yea |
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| 06:10.22 | valdyn | scruffy: i'd file a wishlist bug at least for that |
| 06:11.10 | SerajewelKS | when i look in xauth i don't see an entry for :1 |
| 06:11.15 | valdyn | scruffy: see the package description, the sun-java5-fonts does not really contain the fonts files |
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| 06:11.16 | SerajewelKS | so... wtf |
| 06:11.22 | valdyn | scruffy: so i dont know how this works exactly |
| 06:12.10 | valdyn | !info ttf-lucida sarge |
| 06:12.11 | valdyn | !info ttf-lucida etch |
| 06:13.03 | scruffy | valdyn: I found the deb at packages.debian.org for msttcorefonts, but it doesn't look to be available specifically for etch.. |
| 06:13.04 | SerajewelKS | what the FUCK |
| 06:13.22 | SerajewelKS | sometimes i want to throttle the X.org devs |
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| 06:14.32 | SerajewelKS | son of a bitch |
| 06:14.44 | SerajewelKS | clients to an Xnest session fail with the same message |
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| 06:40.16 | EruditeHermit | hey, does gparted support moving ext3 partitions? |
| 06:40.25 | markybob | yes |
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| 06:40.26 | EruditeHermit | wikipedia says it does, but I am unable to do it |
| 06:40.48 | markybob | EruditeHermit: is it encrypted? |
| 06:40.52 | Jymmm | Anyone know how to switch from gnome to fde by chance (virgin install) |
| 06:40.53 | EruditeHermit | nope |
| 06:41.01 | EruditeHermit | markybob: it shows up as unallocated in gparted |
| 06:41.09 | markybob | EruditeHermit: which version? |
| 06:41.15 | EruditeHermit | markybob: but it is BEFORE the partition, so it won't let me move it |
| 06:41.34 | EruditeHermit | markybob: 0.2.5-2 in etch |
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| 06:41.53 | EruditeHermit | markybob: libparted 1.7.1-5.1 |
| 06:42.04 | jake | does anyone here use windowmaker? Adding a shortcut to a menuitem, or a menuitem, is a pita |
| 06:42.41 | markybob | EruditeHermit: that should support it. for shits, you might wanna try and see if qtparted works |
| 06:43.50 | EruditeHermit | markybob: qtparted isn't even in debian |
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| 06:44.07 | markybob | EruditeHermit: yes it is. well, here, anyway. you on sid? |
| 06:44.14 | EruditeHermit | markybob: etch |
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| 06:44.31 | markybob | !info qtparted etch |
| 06:44.34 | crm_ | hi hi |
| 06:45.12 | EruditeHermit | markybob: I'll getit from sid |
| 06:45.33 | markybob | EruditeHermit: cool |
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| 06:48.43 | EruditeHermit | markybob: nope that won't do it either |
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| 06:49.53 | markybob | EruditeHermit: can you see any info on the partition that you're trying to move? can you mount it? |
| 06:50.55 | EruditeHermit | markybob: yeah, I can mount it and see all the data |
| 06:51.20 | markybob | EruditeHermit: do you see it in fdisk -l /dev/foo ? |
| 06:51.31 | markybob | replace foo with your hd |
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| 06:52.21 | EruditeHermit | markybob: it sees it but at the end it says that hda2 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 06:52.49 | Sazpaimon | So I have xfs_quota installed, but some of my programs use the quota program |
| 06:52.58 | Sazpaimon | how do I get quota to jive with xfs_quota? |
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| 06:54.35 | EruditeHermit | markybob: is that the problem? |
| 06:54.42 | markybob | EruditeHermit: wish i knew. |
| 06:54.59 | EruditeHermit | how do I regenerate the partition table? |
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| 06:55.23 | markybob | Sazpaimon: you dont. you've gotta go through xfs_quota, not quota |
| 06:55.43 | Sazpaimon | that' |
| 06:55.44 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 06:55.46 | Sazpaimon | that's what I thought |
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| 06:55.51 | Legality | hiya |
| 06:56.12 | Sazpaimon | so now i need to complain to the directadmin guys to add support for xfs_quota |
| 06:56.33 | cableroy | trying to debootstrap etch on a older debian, and i get error that it don't find /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch, how do fix that? |
| 06:56.39 | Legality | any ideas what could be the problem when trying to fix the date which has one hour too much by running tzselect in shell and changing the timezone to one hour less.. The time does not change |
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| 06:57.50 | markybob | cableroy: might wanna try #debian-boot in irc.oftc.net |
| 06:58.25 | markybob | Legality: ntp installed? |
| 06:58.40 | Legality | nopp |
| 06:59.21 | markybob | well...do it :) |
| 06:59.42 | fireba11 | Legality: first you better set the correct timezone |
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| 06:59.57 | Legality | hmmh.. I'm very sceptical of installing any new softs to the server since it is in a high production use |
| 07:00.08 | peterS | cableroy: I think there is an updated debootstrap at backports.org you can use. not sure. |
| 07:01.12 | fireba11 | Legality: you can always cancel install when you see apt-get or aptitide is going to pull any deps that might cause problems |
| 07:01.15 | markybob | Legality: you're on your own, then. you get to pick if you wanna be anal or accept the advice :) |
| 07:01.15 | cableroy | ok thank you, i'll have a look |
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| 07:01.49 | Legality | ntp instlaled |
| 07:01.53 | Legality | *instaled |
| 07:01.56 | Legality | *installed :> |
| 07:02.30 | Legality | no harm seems to be have done |
| 07:02.39 | Legality | do i need to conf the ntp anyhow? |
| 07:02.50 | markybob | well, it is debian :) hopefully stable since it's production |
| 07:03.37 | markybob | Legality: you can edit the ntp servers it users from /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 07:03.53 | peterS | Legality: modern ntp packages configure themselves at installation time, possibly asking you a question or two. /etc/ntp.conf will end up specifying servers within pool.ntp.org, which is a good default config |
| 07:03.57 | markybob | Legality: dont have to, though. if your timezone is set properly, something like /etc/init.d/ntp restart should check the server and update your system time |
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| 07:05.30 | Legality | hmm.. i think it works |
| 07:05.40 | markybob | Legality: as it should :) |
| 07:05.58 | Legality | probably in 8 minutes I will start getting calls |
| 07:06.24 | markybob | Legality: thankfully #debian will still exist in 8 minutes ;) |
| 07:06.37 | peterS | yes, we try to exist for at least 10 minutes at a time |
| 07:06.42 | crm_ | yay |
| 07:06.46 | markybob | :) |
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| 07:06.48 | crm_ | it's peterS |
| 07:06.49 | Legality | WTF IS THIS!! THE DATE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! YOU F*CKING TWAT! |
| 07:06.53 | crm_ | i like peterS |
| 07:07.14 | crm_ | peterS.. debian is troubling me again |
| 07:07.20 | markybob | crm_ good...considering he's an op and could ban you... ;) |
| 07:07.21 | crm_ | can you assist me please/ |
| 07:07.26 | peterS | at least troubled isn't debianing again |
| 07:07.36 | markybob | !ask |
| 07:07.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:08.06 | crm_ | well.. i almost gave debian up peterS.. but found that my pcmcia usb2.0 card didn't work in windows eitehr |
| 07:08.09 | crm_ | either |
| 07:08.29 | crm_ | i was quite angry about that ..though have a new one that works |
| 07:08.33 | crm_ | out of the wrapping |
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| 07:09.05 | crm_ | so.. now im trying to hook up a USB2.0 wireless dongle |
| 07:09.05 | Legality | how can wrong time cause problems with website designing |
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| 07:09.20 | crm_ | and have engaged the guys in #kernel.. so better ask here later |
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| 07:09.22 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:09.34 | markybob | Legality: a lot. especially if you try to get timezone crap with international sites with php and mysql...eek |
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| 07:10.19 | altariq | moin+ |
| 07:10.45 | markybob | Legality: iirc, wasnt the last major timezone switch on the 15th? arent you about 15 days late? :) |
| 07:10.54 | crazy_penguin | Good morning! |
| 07:11.05 | altariq | is it german or english chat here? |
| 07:11.05 | Legality | for some reason our debian changed automaticly to the summer time |
| 07:11.06 | blaamann | morning |
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| 07:11.17 | Legality | I thought we would have catched the time during the change |
| 07:11.25 | cydork | altariq: /msg dpkg de |
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| 07:12.33 | n000b | hi everybody |
| 07:12.48 | n000b | is someone using mpd/mpc? |
| 07:12.58 | n000b | Music Playing Daemon |
| 07:13.17 | n000b | *Player |
| 07:13.31 | Legality | all that debian lacks is an undo button |
| 07:13.53 | Legality | nothing would calm my mind more than an undo button when I'm running apt-get on my production servers |
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| 07:14.04 | markybob | Legality: you run stable, right? |
| 07:14.09 | xand | undo is for weanies |
| 07:14.12 | n000b | Legality: LVM snaphots, maybe? |
| 07:14.20 | xand | Legality: that's what backups are for :P |
| 07:14.34 | cydork | :) |
| 07:14.41 | altariq | does anybody know, how can setup my network under debian? i have 3 network cards installed but ifconfig show nothing |
| 07:14.45 | Legality | well the whole hdd should be basicly backupped which is a mess |
| 07:14.55 | xand | !interfaces |
| 07:14.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 07:14.58 | xand | altariq: read that |
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| 07:15.24 | markybob | Legality: as long as you run the stable distribution, you should be fine with apt-get and anything else. that's why debian is always so freakin' late with releases :) |
| 07:15.30 | xand | do ifconfig -a to see if they're listed |
| 07:15.37 | Legality | altariq: ditch your own servers,, get a new one from me |
| 07:15.37 | Legality | :> |
| 07:16.24 | Legality | markybob: It's all a bit nasty for me since we have highly customized apache etc. |
| 07:16.34 | Legality | it's a mess to start tracking the changed files |
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| 07:17.03 | altariq | ah okay, they are listed, so now i can configure them in interfaces? there is now grafical interface |
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| 07:17.27 | markybob | altariq: man interfaces |
| 07:17.33 | n000b | Legality: this is precisely what LVM snapshots are made for |
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| 07:18.39 | Legality | I love the angry calls |
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| 07:19.17 | markybob | Legality: really...servers should always be set to utc. then you fuck around with timezones with whatever language you're programming with |
| 07:19.58 | Legality | this server is used plainly for customers in our country |
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| 07:20.10 | Legality | basicly most of the people will get the advantage of our timezone |
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| 07:20.49 | markybob | Legality: well, you certainly know your customer base better than i do :) just a suggestion for future servers |
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| 07:21.16 | maddash | omg, i think i'm addicted to #debian |
| 07:21.16 | Legality | markybob: we have different servers for different customers |
| 07:21.24 | Legality | highly categorized |
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| 07:25.04 | sprink | what does a capital 'A' mean next to the 'i' in packages when using interactive aptitude? |
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| 07:25.43 | sprink | the aptitude help screen doesn't show anything for 'A' |
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| 07:26.25 | sprink | I think it's called a state flag for action flag but it doesn't say what 'A' means |
| 07:26.29 | peterS | sprink: automatically installed. you didn't select that package explicitly, it got pulled in as a dependency |
| 07:26.31 | sprink | s/for/or |
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| 07:26.51 | sprink | aah. thank you peterS |
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| 07:27.03 | peterS | sprink: you can set/clear the flag with 'm' and 'M'. if the flag is set, and later upgrades or removals make the package no longer necessary on your system, it will beardy automatically marked for removal as well |
| 07:27.17 | sprink | maybe that should be put in the help screen in aptitude?, like in the action or state flag section |
| 07:27.22 | peterS | s/beardy/be/ - I wonder how that got typed |
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| 07:29.45 | markybob | peterS: alcohol? :) |
| 07:29.54 | peterS | nope, not tonight |
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| 07:30.43 | scx | !hola |
| 07:30.43 | dpkg | from memory, hola is Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:31.34 | scx | mmm |
| 07:31.39 | scx | !bonjour |
| 07:31.39 | dpkg | Bonjour, scx. Comment allez-vous? |
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| 07:32.56 | sudo_maddash | dpkg: hola =~ s/there you will get much more help/you will get more help from there/ |
| 07:32.57 | dpkg | OK, sudo_maddash |
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| 07:33.51 | eshaase | what do i need to install in order for gcc to recognize #include <string.h>? |
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| 07:34.15 | peterS | eshaase: install 'build-essential' |
| 07:34.25 | peterS | eshaase: well, specifically 'libc6-dev', which is pulled in by build-essential |
| 07:35.26 | eshaase | peterS: ok, thanks! |
| 07:35.34 | detectiveinspekt | is debian a elite disro? |
| 07:36.03 | peterS | it's not really a disro at all |
| 07:36.03 | markybob | i'd like to think so |
| 07:36.08 | markybob | a sane distro, at least |
| 07:36.12 | markybob | everyone else is crazy |
| 07:36.17 | sudo_maddash | debian will not disrobe |
| 07:36.22 | peterS | it's a disco |
| 07:36.23 | SlayerXP | detectiveinspekt: elite is commercial software, debian doesn't distribute it. |
| 07:36.48 | SlayerXP | what a curious question. |
| 07:37.01 | detectiveinspekt | oh ty |
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| 07:40.53 | sep | it was GREAT! :) |
| 07:40.58 | pingouin | yeap |
| 07:41.12 | markybob | sep: what are you, tony the tiger? |
| 07:41.24 | pingouin | strange that with the power of computer now, there is not a new version :/ |
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| 07:44.27 | Crypticfortune_ | allright, well my pam settings seem to have broken again..... |
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| 07:45.44 | crm__ | later peterS |
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| 07:50.15 | giupy | hi all |
| 07:50.52 | giupy | does anyone has a solution for use hp fx6 visualize 3d controller on i386 ? |
| 07:50.52 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:51.39 | streuner | !tell giupy about ask |
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| 07:51.52 | SlayerXP | giupy: yes, I imagine someone does. |
| 07:51.57 | sprink | man the upgrade from sarge -> etch was kinda rough but well worth it |
| 07:52.24 | sprink | everything in etch feels like it runs faster |
| 07:52.28 | giupy | SlayerXP: why you imagine ? :) |
| 07:53.00 | SlayerXP | giupy: i'm cursed with an overactive imagination |
| 07:53.06 | giupy | streuner: my question was right for those who know the problems using that card on linux :) |
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| 07:53.44 | streuner | giupy: yes and the message was right for those who aren't able to ask concrete questions :-) |
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| 07:56.14 | streuner | giupy: what does lspci say about? |
| 07:57.20 | giupy | streuner: now i have a matrox g200, fx6 is a 3d controller from hp, and linux only sees the cyber card 2d installed on it |
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| 07:59.10 | streuner | what kind of kernel do you use (cat /proc/version)? |
| 07:59.27 | streuner | is the hardware supported at all? (groups.google.com)... |
| 07:59.31 | giupy | streuner: 2.6.18 recompiled |
| 07:59.55 | giupy | streuner: no, it's not supported, only on hp ux for risc cpu |
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| 08:00.34 | sobersabre | hi |
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| 08:00.57 | sobersabre | I'm trying to fill up a IBM thinkcentre station with IDE disks. |
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| 08:01.14 | Jymm | How do you switch from gnome to kde? |
| 08:01.15 | sobersabre | and arrange a 1 big contiguous storage from them |
| 08:01.24 | bzed | !enter |
| 08:01.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 08:01.49 | peterS | giupy: I've never heard of a free X driver for HP's FX6 or FX10 cards. HP used to distribute a non-free driver for Linux on Itanium, but that doesn't help you since you're on i386 |
| 08:01.50 | sobersabre | I've been using etch gui installer. |
| 08:01.52 | streuner | Jymm: apt-get install kde and edit 'xsession' |
| 08:01.54 | bzed | Jymm: most simple way: apt-get install kde kdm |
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| 08:02.23 | Jymm | streuner bzed It's installed, just not sure what/where to switch between the two (virgin install) |
| 08:02.38 | bzed | Jymm: apt-get install kdm |
| 08:02.48 | giupy | peterS: itanium is a RISC ? |
| 08:02.53 | sobersabre | Installed: ide0-disk0-hd, ide0-disk1-hd, ide1-disk0-hd, ide1-disk1-CDROM |
| 08:02.54 | bzed | Jymm: it'll offer you an easy selection of your windowmanagers |
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| 08:02.59 | Jymm | bzed that'll allow me to flip back and foruth between the two? |
| 08:03.04 | Jymm | ah gotcha |
| 08:03.15 | sobersabre | ran the installer, and installed msdos partition table on all of them. |
| 08:03.20 | peterS | giupy: it is a chip developed by Intel and HP, the successor to PA-RISC, it runs HP-UX or Linux |
| 08:03.28 | bzed | Jymm: yeah. imho better to start gnome from kdm than kde from gdm. ymmv. |
| 08:03.39 | sobersabre | the 1st disk was added 1 / partition [5GB] and a swap [2GB] |
| 08:03.51 | sobersabre | the rest was allocated as RAID volume |
| 08:03.55 | peterS | giupy: technically itanium is not a risc architecture, but you can think of it in that category of workstations |
| 08:03.56 | bzed | sobersabre: STOP IT |
| 08:03.57 | giupy | peterS: ok thanks, i'll use my matrox g200 |
| 08:04.02 | bzed | !tell sobersabre about enter |
| 08:04.15 | sobersabre | bzed, ok. |
| 08:04.16 | bzed | sobersabre: nobody is able to follow that |
| 08:04.28 | sobersabre | OK, I'll arrange a pastebin post. |
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| 08:04.55 | bzed | sobersabre: but I guess I know what you want to do |
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| 08:05.05 | bzed | sobersabre: you ahve several disks and want to add them to one junk? |
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| 08:05.24 | sobersabre | bzed, true. |
| 08:05.30 | sobersabre | I am at installation state. |
| 08:05.35 | bzed | sobersabre: no raid? |
| 08:05.47 | bzed | sobersabre: just one big piece of disks? |
| 08:05.50 | Jymmm | bzed: Ok, installed kdm, CTRL+ALT+BKSP and still get gnome |
| 08:05.52 | sobersabre | yes. |
| 08:05.54 | giupy | peterS: i have downloaded a driver for linux, for i386, but i can't compile it, the development was stopped some time ago |
| 08:06.00 | sobersabre | I want to backup on it another RAID. |
| 08:06.15 | sobersabre | just in case an upgrade messes up the old one. |
| 08:06.38 | peterS | giupy: yeah ... that's the problem with non-free drivers, they become useless when X technology moves forward. the driver is probably intended for XFree86 4.2 or so, and nobody can do much about that except perhaps HP. |
| 08:06.44 | sobersabre | but I don't succeed to _install_ the system!!! |
| 08:06.58 | sobersabre | the installer fails to install boot manager. |
| 08:07.18 | bzed | sobersabre: install it in the master boot record of the first disk |
| 08:07.21 | sobersabre | Is it possible I am simply using too old an installer ? |
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| 08:07.26 | sobersabre | bzed, it fails. |
| 08:07.28 | giupy | peterS: well, hp semms to be so near to open source.... but so far away from me :)) |
| 08:07.40 | giupy | peterS: thanks fro all |
| 08:07.40 | bzed | Jymmm: have you been asked if you want to use kdm or gdm? |
| 08:07.42 | giupy | for |
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| 08:08.21 | Archville | Hi. |
| 08:08.21 | bzed | giupy: i guess there're not enough people using those cards |
| 08:08.31 | Jymmm | bzed: No, no prompt at all. startx and there's gnome |
| 08:08.42 | bzed | Jymmm: why do you use startx? |
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| 08:08.52 | giupy | bzed: with windows xp i can |
| 08:08.55 | KWartS | I would like to introduce myself (I am come from Indonesia) is anybody come from same country in this channel? |
| 08:08.59 | bzed | Jymmm: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 08:09.02 | Jymmm | bzed because the box boots to shell. |
| 08:09.14 | bzed | Jymmm: I guess you've fixed that now, too |
| 08:09.26 | giupy | bzed: it was a powerfull 3d controller |
| 08:09.30 | Jymmm | bzed Sorry, fixed what now? |
| 08:09.30 | streuner | Jymmm: or use 'xsession' and put 'exec startkde' into that file |
| 08:09.30 | bzed | giupy: yeah, I know, we some of them flying around, too |
| 08:09.40 | bzed | Jymmm: that it boots to shell only |
| 08:09.50 | Archville | Somehow my Alsa configuration is lost when i reboot so i have to go though alsaconf everytime i start the system. ¿ How can i get it to save settings ? |
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| 08:10.01 | Jymmm | bzed No, I didn't edit anything to get it that way, but I don't mind it either. |
| 08:10.08 | bzed | Jymmm: stop X and then do a /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 08:10.49 | cydork | Archville: using gnome? esd is disabled? |
| 08:11.03 | giupy | if i would like to buy an old agp2x graphic card better than matrox g200, what do you suggest me ? |
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| 08:11.12 | KWartS | it's easy just killall kdm xdm or gdm, then write on the shell X system that you want to... (manual start up) |
| 08:11.18 | Archville | cydork, yes, i'm using gnome, but when i reboot no X is started. However esd is also disabled. |
| 08:11.22 | streuner | giupy: in order to use 3D? |
| 08:11.33 | streuner | (X300 or i945) |
| 08:11.41 | giupy | streuner: yes but only for gams , not graphics |
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| 08:12.25 | streuner | everything which use open-source |
| 08:12.40 | giupy | streuner: agp 2x ?? |
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| 08:13.59 | Jymmm | bzed ok, finally got kde running. will the graphical login be perm that way witht eh init.d thingy? |
| 08:14.11 | bzed | it should start up automatically on reboot |
| 08:14.30 | Jymmm | bzed Hmmm, no way to have kde come up with startx? |
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| 08:14.48 | giupy | Jymmm: xsession |
| 08:15.03 | liable | startx startkde |
| 08:15.10 | cydork | Archville: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 08:15.13 | bzed | Jymmm: sure, that's possible, too. |
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| 08:16.01 | Archville | cydork, i did, but had no effect. Even tried to reload alsa itself from /etc/init.d/alsa reload. The only thing that worked was alsaconf |
| 08:16.24 | Jymmm | giupy: This specifically? http://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/xsession-1.1.README |
| 08:16.25 | Archville | I have two soundcards if that matters |
| 08:17.15 | bzed | Jymmm: I guess a update-alternatives --config x-session-manager will help you. not sure though. I'd prefer the graphical kdm login, though |
| 08:17.21 | cydork | Archville: that should not matter but still try disabling one of them and try again. |
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| 08:18.16 | Archville | cydork, i need both working, one for music in a marshall guitar amp, the other one for everything else, like games :\ |
| 08:18.19 | Jymmm | bzed: I dont use it as a desktop, but want to be able to setup remote access, no need to be gui on the box itself. |
| 08:19.12 | streuner | giupy-away: what's 'agp 2 x'? |
| 08:19.14 | bzed | Jymmm: aaah ok. then you probably want to remove kdm again (apt-get remove kdm) and just use update-alternatives --config x-session-manager and select startkde in there |
| 08:20.17 | cydork | Archville: which kernel are you using? |
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| 08:22.23 | Archville | 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 08:22.41 | Archville | (etch everything updated) |
| 08:22.42 | streuner | giupy-away: videocards are usually agp 8 x.... |
| 08:23.07 | Guerin | streuner: not old ones |
| 08:23.10 | Guerin | in fact |
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| 08:23.17 | Guerin | i have a card which is agp 1x |
| 08:23.26 | streuner | Guerin: those are old |
| 08:23.30 | streuner | true :-) |
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| 08:24.01 | cydork | Archville: hmm i guess i am out of ideas then :( |
| 08:24.52 | Archville | Np, thanks anyway :) |
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| 08:35.41 | Crypticfortune_ | what exactly does "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." mean anyway? (error that comes up when i try to log in) what is throwing that error? |
| 08:36.22 | Crypticfortune_ | ahhh life on testing....seem that every week i go through this =( |
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| 08:40.48 | Guerin | Crypticfortune_: that looks bad, like PAM or something might be broken |
| 08:41.32 | bzed | Crypticfortune_: are you using nix? |
| 08:41.34 | bzed | NIS |
| 08:41.45 | bzed | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2003-08/3001.html |
| 08:41.47 | Crypticfortune_ | bzed: ldap |
| 08:42.10 | Crypticfortune_ | bzed: ooo no more compat? good to know |
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| 08:42.41 | bzed | Crypticfortune_: guess it's the same problem with ldap or nis... no more compat. at least that's what google foudn |
| 08:43.28 | peterS | compat never supported ldap, only files and nis, so that doesn't sound like the same error to me |
| 08:44.17 | bzed | hmm |
| 08:44.21 | Crypticfortune_ | well, i switched it to "files ldap", we'll see if that makes it work.... |
| 08:44.47 | bzed | Crypticfortune_: or there's something else messed up. is your ldap up and running? :P |
| 08:45.05 | Crypticfortune_ | bzed: yes, i can run normal ldap searches and stuff, just login doesn't work... =/ |
| 08:47.17 | Jymmm | bzed: TY for the help, much appreciated. |
| 08:47.23 | bzed | Jymmm: you're welcome |
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| 08:48.15 | spo0nman | how do i share variables between apache children? there was something like apache variables but i forget how to use them. |
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| 08:50.47 | bzed | spo0nman: O_o I dont' se anythign where apache would use variables on it's own |
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| 08:51.25 | bzed | spo0nman: what do you really want to do? |
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| 08:55.37 | Crypticfortune_ | bzed: well, replacing compat with files didn't help... |
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| 09:01.26 | bzed | Crypticfortune_: usually wireshark helped me much with ldap problems :P |
| 09:01.32 | bzed | except you're using tls/ssl |
| 09:01.50 | Crypticfortune_ | it's very strange. if i boot into single user mode, i can log in using my root account defined in /etc/passwd, then i can su to my ldap account, and from there even su to other ldap accounts using their passwords. it's like something it actively -breaking- my ldap config =( |
| 09:02.00 | Crypticfortune_ | (when i don't but single-user mode that is) |
| 09:02.05 | Crypticfortune_ | s/but/boot/ |
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| 09:03.19 | Crypticfortune_ | bzed: im running ethereal on the ldap server now, and it's just telling me frustrating things (like "ldap is working! but i'm seeing "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.") |
| 09:05.40 | bzed | heh. I had much similar fun with ldap... but that's soemthing where I jsut have no idea |
| 09:06.45 | spo0nman | bzed: hmm got it. I could write a module which I can preload at server startup, so all the variables of this |
| 09:06.45 | spo0nman | module are initially shared by all children. |
| 09:07.18 | fengor | o.O |
| 09:07.25 | bzed | spo0nman: WTF do you want to do? |
| 09:07.33 | fengor | bzed++ |
| 09:07.38 | bzed | spo0nman: and sine when does apache share variables at all? |
| 09:07.47 | bzed | fengor: add a ! before that :P |
| 09:07.55 | fengor | !bzed++ |
| 09:08.00 | bzed | !karma bzed |
| 09:08.01 | dpkg | bzed has karma of 3 |
| 09:08.03 | bzed | thanks :D |
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| 09:17.13 | opqdonut | 1/Act |
| 09:17.24 | opqdonut | sry bout that |
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| 09:18.49 | perlmonkey | Hi, does anyone know why Gnome refuses to start gnome-panel? everytime I start it, it says, detected a panel already running and will now exit. I'm using NFS for my home folder |
| 09:19.11 | karsten | perlmonkey: Stray lockfile? |
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| 09:19.16 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 09:19.24 | fengor | either there is another panel already running or a lockfile that dint get removed sucessfully |
| 09:19.35 | karsten | perlmonkey: Might want to strace the binary/ies running to see what they're bitching about. |
| 09:19.36 | fengor | damn i should learn to type faster ;p |
| 09:19.38 | perlmonkey | karsten: do you know where that is located, is it just a case of deleting it? |
| 09:19.41 | karsten | perlmonkey: Gnome is ass, BTW. |
| 09:19.51 | perlmonkey | karsten: what should I use then |
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| 09:20.03 | karsten | perlmonkey: Sorry. Gnome is ass, complicated as hell, undocumented, and a complete PITA to deal with for cases like this. |
| 09:20.04 | hark | try a killall gnome-panel |
| 09:20.08 | fengor | find /yourhome -name "*.lock" might give a clue |
| 09:20.11 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 09:20.21 | fengor | or better use *lock* |
| 09:20.23 | karsten | perlmonkey: I run WindowMaker. I recommend XFCE4 and KDE for n00bs. |
| 09:20.48 | perlmonkey | hark: i tried removing the gnome-panel from PS but it doesnt help with the problem when I restart gnome |
| 09:20.53 | karsten | perlmonkey: Otherwise, there's quite a few WMs, most of which 1) work 2) are good 3) are light and 4) are compatible with GNOME/KDE apps, if that matters to you. |
| 09:21.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:21.20 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 09:22.06 | perlmonkey | i will try something else then |
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| 09:22.42 | perlmonkey | fengor: thanks |
| 09:23.06 | bzed | !n00b Slaughter |
| 09:23.10 | bzed | damnit |
| 09:23.23 | bzed | !n00b |
| 09:23.23 | dpkg | n00b is probably l33t jargon for newbie. |
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| 09:24.43 | hark | !teh 1337 |
| 09:24.43 | dpkg | hark pwns j00 |
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| 09:25.38 | rpc | lol |
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| 09:34.09 | bzed | !beer fengor |
| 09:34.48 | scx | !me too please |
| 09:34.49 | dpkg | moi? |
| 09:35.20 | fengor | yuck beer and weizen too :( |
| 09:35.44 | fengor | bzed: you know i'm no beer drinker |
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| 09:36.01 | baloo-work | Good morning Debianistas. |
| 09:36.10 | fengor | morning baloo |
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| 09:38.18 | baloo-work | Antitrust is a good movie |
| 09:38.42 | scx | I was thinking of 'The seventh seal' |
| 09:38.43 | fengor | didnt heard of it till now |
| 09:39.20 | scx | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218817/ |
| 09:39.49 | bzed | !milk fengor |
| 09:39.54 | bzed | better? |
| 09:39.58 | baloo-work | There's a huge, huge goof about midway through the movie, though, and one that actually got everybody in the theater to go "Oh, come on!" when it happened |
| 09:40.00 | bzed | fengor: and no, didn't know that |
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| 09:44.08 | scx | 8ball yes |
| 09:44.18 | scx | srry wrong window |
| 09:44.42 | bzed | !8ball |
| 09:44.50 | bzed | !8ball don;t you have that? |
| 09:44.50 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 09:45.06 | bzed | awesome. another way to generate answers |
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| 09:45.34 | fengor | hrhr yes bzed and now you know ;) |
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| 09:46.15 | scx | !ball yes what |
| 09:46.32 | scx | .me hugs the bot |
| 09:46.41 | maddash | can someone download ( https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run ) and run it (`sh [blah]`)? I'm having some integrity problems... |
| 09:46.57 | scx | yes |
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| 09:47.49 | maddash | 'yes'? |
| 09:47.55 | maddash | was that for me? |
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| 09:49.09 | litage | how do you stop X "nicefully"? |
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| 09:49.25 | scx | killall -5 x |
| 09:49.35 | scx | or SIGTERM |
| 09:49.37 | bzed | maddash: if that's the fglxr or however it's called, don;t use it, use the dbeian pacakge instead |
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| 09:50.07 | bzed | !8ball would scx use killall on solaris? |
| 09:50.08 | dpkg | I'm sure of it. |
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| 09:50.27 | cydork | :) |
| 09:50.36 | scx | !8ball really |
| 09:50.36 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 09:50.40 | cydork | heh |
| 09:50.41 | scx | !8ball yes what |
| 09:50.42 | dpkg | Unsure. |
| 09:50.50 | scx | !8ball seriously |
| 09:50.51 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 09:50.58 | maddash | bzed: why? |
| 09:51.02 | scx | !8ball as I guessed |
| 09:51.02 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
| 09:51.07 | cydork | scx: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 09:51.17 | maddash | !!botabuse |
| 09:51.18 | dpkg | Fuck you. |
| 09:51.24 | AceLan | lol |
| 09:51.27 | maddash | !botabuse |
| 09:51.27 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 09:51.31 | scx | cydork: I was replying to bzed trough dpkg |
| 09:51.44 | bzed | maddash: because all binary isntallers just put a ton of waste into your system and chances are good that it'll just break with the next update |
| 09:51.57 | maddash | bzed: waste....? |
| 09:52.08 | maddash | bzed: i'm using it to build the latest debs |
| 09:52.26 | maddash | bzed: haha you don't really think i use the autoinstaller functionality, do you? |
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| 09:52.53 | bzed | maddash: ah ok :) but yes, I thought you wanted to use that auto-installer |
| 09:53.06 | maddash | bzed: a-i is dangerous |
| 09:53.07 | bzed | scx: http://docsun.cites.uiuc.edu/sun_docs/C/solaris_9/SUNWaman/hman1m/killall.1m.html << you're fucked if you run killall as root on solaris |
| 09:53.11 | baloo-work | So yeah, in Antitrust, the biggest goof is when they're at the Johns Landing Jackpot/Chevron station. |
| 09:53.29 | bzed | baloo-work: what about #movies ? |
| 09:54.10 | bzed | scx: that's why I prefer to tell people about pkill ;) to make sure they don't run into problems on the first day as solaris admin |
| 09:54.13 | baloo-work | The two characters in that scene are both shown pumping their own gasoline, never mind pumping your own gas is illegal in Oregon, and it clearly says that on the pump between the two characters along with a sign that says in big red letters "NO SELF SERVICE - MINIMUM SERVICE ISLAND" |
| 09:54.58 | bzed | !ops somebody please send baloo-work to #movies or #howtowatchmymoviewithouttellingaboutitin#debian, thanks |
| 09:54.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bzed complains about: somebody please send baloo-work to #movies or #howtowatchmymoviewithouttellingaboutitin#debian, thanks |
| 09:55.06 | mtoele | is there a way to directly rebuild a set of debian package from the source package ? |
| 09:55.12 | maddash | bzed: no one's home... |
| 09:55.18 | scx | bzed: Solaris desapointed me badly |
| 09:55.19 | mtoele | or do I always need to extract the source package first before I can build |
| 09:55.21 | azeem | baloo-work: please keep i on-topic |
| 09:55.24 | scx | dis |
| 09:55.36 | cydork | mtoele: why? |
| 09:55.49 | mtoele | cydork: it's seems more elaborate to have three steps |
| 09:56.11 | cydork | mtoele: i meant why do you want to rebuild a set of debian package? |
| 09:56.13 | bzed | mtoele: apt-get source packagename << that will give you all you need to build the package. enter the directory and use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:56.17 | maddash | bzed: why is one condemned to procreate if one issues killall on solaris? |
| 09:56.37 | bzed | maddash: because killall does what it says |
| 09:56.45 | cydork | bzed: or there is apt-build (i still dont see any point in compiling though.) |
| 09:56.45 | bzed | maddash: it kills _all_ processes |
| 09:57.29 | maddash | bzed: i noticed that in the linked doc. but doesn't linux killall do the same? |
| 09:57.29 | bzed | cydork: right, I like to forget about that because if I rebuild a pacakge then I change something, otherwise it doesn;t make sense for me |
| 09:57.35 | bzed | maddash: man killall - kill processes by name |
| 09:57.46 | bzed | maddash: it does not. same for halt and reboot |
| 09:58.08 | cydork | bzed: yeah that's what i am saying. |
| 09:58.10 | bzed | maddash: halt on solaris _halts_ the amchine. |
| 09:58.41 | bzed | maddash: and reboot just reboots the machine. without any warnings, checks or anything else. instant reboot |
| 09:58.42 | maddash | bzed: doesn't 'halt' on linux halt the machine, too |
| 09:58.56 | azeem | maddash: no, it does a shutdown |
| 09:59.00 | bzed | maddash: no, it goes through the runleves and savely shuts the machine down |
| 09:59.07 | bzed | maddash: it's the same as shutdown -h now |
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| 09:59.27 | maddash | bzed: hmm, that's redundant |
| 09:59.46 | bzed | maddash: I guess they changed the programs for all the noobs |
| 10:00.41 | maddash | bzed: well, if i issue 'halt', then i'd want my machine to halt...and not take an extra 70 seconds to go through the shutdown scripts... |
| 10:00.47 | bzed | maddash: luckily solaris' UFS is _VERY_ robus, I never managed to break it by doing such things |
| 10:01.20 | maddash | bzed: so why use ext2/3? |
| 10:01.35 | bzed | maddash: because you're on linux? |
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| 10:01.59 | bzed | and ufs support on linux is only a re-implementataion |
| 10:02.47 | Artipol | how do i install knoppix onto a hard disk? |
| 10:02.55 | cydork | Artipol: ask #knoppix |
| 10:02.57 | maddash | er...that still doesn't explain why we're all using extfs's |
| 10:03.02 | Artipol | i already did |
| 10:03.03 | baloo-work | azeem: The Debian community is credited in the movie's credits as technical advisors so it's kinda on topic |
| 10:03.03 | filemover | i just did that |
| 10:03.10 | filemover | put knoppix on hd |
| 10:03.12 | azeem | baloo-work: no |
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| 10:03.41 | azeem | baloo-work: or rather, please accept if people ask you to change the topic or move it elsewhere |
| 10:03.59 | rpc | does anyone know about TSC problem on AMD X2? any patches for that? |
| 10:04.31 | rpc | amd released a special driver for windows boxes but i can't find anything for debian or linux in general |
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| 10:06.00 | maddash | arghhhh fecking unpatched source! |
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| 10:07.54 | subopt | How am i supposed to dl/install my kernel source? |
| 10:08.03 | azeem | subopt: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:08.05 | fireba11 | rpc : TSC ? |
| 10:08.13 | subopt | etch |
| 10:08.32 | azeem | subopt: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 10:08.34 | azeem | I think |
| 10:08.50 | subopt | azeem: thanks, i'll try that. |
| 10:08.51 | rpc | fireba11 timing problem, a known issue with AMD X2 |
| 10:09.10 | rpc | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html |
| 10:09.17 | fireba11 | rpc: got any details for me ? .. thanks |
| 10:09.18 | rpc | i'm looking for same thing for debian |
| 10:10.12 | rpc | basically it mostly affects networking in a bad bad bad way |
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| 10:10.31 | rpc | i spent 3 weeks finding out the reason of my networking probs on AMD X2 box |
| 10:10.32 | rjalex | hello I need to configure my ath0 wireless in two different ways (home/work) the device is ok, the wpa_supplicant part also. I only want to use manual ifup commands. any help on how to set the interfaces file please ? |
| 10:10.33 | maddash | ati is canadian?? |
| 10:10.41 | fireba11 | rpc : what's the effect of that ? i got a couple amd64 x2 running as servers with etch |
| 10:10.58 | rpc | fireba11 never had networking probs? |
| 10:11.15 | fireba11 | rpc: what kind of problems ? |
| 10:11.17 | rpc | like eth0 going dead after some traffic going tru? |
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| 10:11.41 | rpc | or very slow upload or dropped packets etc. |
| 10:11.51 | bzed | rpc, fireba11: adding noapic to your kernel options helps in such cases. or installing a fixed bios |
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| 10:12.13 | rpc | bzed i already have noapic... still same prob, even though i was told it would help |
| 10:12.19 | fireba11 | rpc: hm .. no ... had a few issuses but i think they are caused by vmware server ... am using noapic anyway because otherwise the etch amd64 kernel won't boot at all |
| 10:12.31 | rpc | fireba11 what issues exactly? |
| 10:12.33 | bzed | rpc: hmm, at least it helped me. and since the last bios update I don;t even need that anymore |
| 10:12.50 | rpc | oh btw fireba11.. you use amd64 kernel? i'm on 32-bit... |
| 10:12.57 | rpc | bzed hm... |
| 10:13.04 | fireba11 | rpc: vmware crashing mostly .. yes, 64-bit version |
| 10:13.13 | bzed | i think that stuff is mainly a bios realted problem |
| 10:13.23 | rjalex | any /etc/network/interfaces syntax expert, please ? |
| 10:13.23 | rpc | fireba11 same happens to my vms... and that definetly has to do with TSC |
| 10:13.33 | mina_linux_Tux | i tried to get an HP LJ 10180 working on it , i installed the foo2zjs driver/firmware , and got it working and printing with cups, on debian sarge but i have only one problem when i plug the printer to the usb before booting , the initializing hardware hardware hang after audio, i tried to contact the driver provider and googling on this issue without any useful info, it only works when i plug it at the time i'v been logged on, any comment ...? |
| 10:13.33 | rpc | bzed and what mobo please? |
| 10:13.38 | fireba11 | rpc: twice the nic bocked the entwork segment untill i did reset the box .. vmware compiles a kernel module for bridged networking, that was probably the problem then |
| 10:13.57 | rjalex | I had to change keyboard language, how to change the console input language now ? thank you |
| 10:14.02 | bzed | fireba11: are you using a forcedeth nic? |
| 10:14.16 | fireba11 | bzed: don't even know what that is |
| 10:14.19 | rpc | fireba11 i use bridge as well and i also experienced that stuff |
| 10:14.27 | rpc | networking just dies |
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| 10:14.36 | bzed | fireba11: that's the name of the module for the usual NIC on nvidia chipsets |
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| 10:14.43 | rpc | bzed hmm |
| 10:15.07 | mina_linux_Tux | ppl any comment ? |
| 10:15.08 | rpc | bzed is that only for nvidia chipsets? |
| 10:15.09 | filemover | Im trying to compile gspcav1 video driver to get my logitech quickcam 5000 working Ive enabled all the right modules in the kernel but still get errors pertaining to kbuild.include file can anyone help |
| 10:15.11 | fireba11 | bzed: hm .. it's the onboard NIC on a asus m2n-e (nvidia) so probably yes |
| 10:15.14 | bzed | our experience is that bridging with the fordeth chipset is buggy like hell, and using vlans together with bridging just does nto work at all |
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| 10:15.28 | filemover | here is the pastebin of the output |
| 10:15.30 | filemover | http://pastebin.ca/416577 |
| 10:15.41 | bzed | we're using e1000 in our suns until that problem si fixed |
| 10:15.47 | fireba11 | bzed: so it's the chipset/nic driver rather than vmware ? |
| 10:16.07 | fireba11 | oh |
| 10:16.09 | bzed | I guess so |
| 10:16.10 | bzed | and |
| 10:16.17 | bzed | what kernel are you using there? |
| 10:16.39 | Crypticfortune_ | wow. that took forever. ok, so in case anyone was curious. the source of all evil for my ldap problems was avahi-daemon killing my network settings. (when booting single user mode, avahi-daemon didn't come up, so pam/ldap seemed to be working prefectly. under a normal boot, avahi-daemon came up, screwed things over, and i was left unable to login. very very strange). |
| 10:17.02 | fireba11 | bzed: 2.6.18 |
| 10:17.08 | mina_linux_Tux | am i offtopic , even if am i , give me any pointer |
| 10:17.24 | bzed | Crypticfortune_: that's at least good to know. I'm wondering how that can srew with ldap |
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| 10:17.33 | bzed | fireba11: why does it want to use 2.6.17 sources then? |
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| 10:18.11 | fireba11 | bzed: never said anything about 2.6.17 sources |
| 10:18.33 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: I'd try updating to a more recent kernel version or probably switching to etch, there're a lot of buggy things regarding hotplug and usb devices fixed |
| 10:18.40 | filemover | Im trying to compile gspcav1 video driver to get my logitech quickcam 5000 working Ive enabled all the right modules in the kernel but still get errors pertaining to kbuild.include file can anyone help |
| 10:18.45 | bzed | fireba11: Makefile:486: /usr/src/linux-2.6.17/arch/i386/Makefile: No such file or directory |
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| 10:19.02 | Crypticfortune_ | avahi was completely disabling my network.. (how? i don't know, because i couldn't log in). but once avahi-daemon started, i ceased to get pings from my box =p |
| 10:19.12 | rpc | fireba11 what is the exact kernel that you use? |
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| 10:19.35 | fireba11 | bzed: from when is that ? ^^ |
| 10:19.44 | bzed | Crypticfortune_: you can configure your computer to use avahi for network settings. neither sure if that's the default fi you've installed that daemon or how to configure that at all |
| 10:19.49 | bzed | fireba11: that's form your pastebin |
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| 10:20.06 | bzed | fireba11: oh no, |
| 10:20.07 | fireba11 | bzed: what pastebin ? ^^ |
| 10:20.12 | bzed | that was from filemover sorry |
| 10:20.21 | bzed | filemover: which distro are you sing? |
| 10:20.30 | filemover | its ok |
| 10:20.31 | fireba11 | rpc : 2.6.18-3-vserver-amd64 right now |
| 10:20.43 | filemover | i installed debian on my hard drive throgh knoppix |
| 10:20.50 | bzed | fireba11: there's 2.6.18-4 out |
| 10:20.56 | filemover | i did a complete dit-upgrade |
| 10:20.59 | filemover | dist |
| 10:21.03 | rpc | fireba11 thank you |
| 10:21.03 | bzed | filemover: you still want to ask in #knoppix, they';ve changed a lot of stuff |
| 10:21.10 | filemover | ok |
| 10:21.13 | bzed | filemover: or at least use a debian kernel |
| 10:21.30 | Crypticfortune_ | i haven't configured avahi for anything. i just left it enabled in case any mac users wanted to borrow my printers...but i'm really surprised that something would be telling avahi to use -wrong- network settings (normally my settings are from dhcp) |
| 10:21.40 | filemover | i just thougth because its debian packages u might know some stuff but its ok |
| 10:21.40 | fireba11 | bzed: i know .. i need to recompile vmware modules for that, that will take a bit so i'm waiting for a good time to do that .. it's working fine right now, last crash was 3 weeks ago |
| 10:21.40 | rpc | fireba11 so you say that you have never ever seen TSC probs in messages on that kernel? |
| 10:21.46 | mina_linux_Tux | bzed: how can i figure out the reason for the boot hanging at this step to at least give a reason in my report asking for upgrade ?, i did check the var/log/dmesg but can't get any thing related to the step of hardware initilisation |
| 10:21.46 | fireba11 | rpc: no, never |
| 10:22.04 | filemover | i used an older version of knoppix to do it so there might be some issues |
| 10:22.12 | filemover | anyway thanks |
| 10:22.26 | rpc | fireba11 and how about such stuff? Mar 30 11:34:16 mindstorm kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 10:22.36 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: if it hangs while loading the proprietary module nobody will be able to help you |
| 10:22.42 | rpc | fireba11 especially after some heavier traffic on br0 |
| 10:22.58 | filemover | bzed i upgraded the kernel as well does that help |
| 10:23.11 | filemover | 2.6.17 |
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| 10:23.18 | bzed | filemover: get the kernel sources then. and 2.6.17 is NOT a dbeian kernel |
| 10:23.28 | filemover | ok |
| 10:23.32 | mina_linux_Tux | bzed: do u mean the proprietary module -> the firmware , if yes , why nobody will be to help ? |
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| 10:24.02 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: because it's proprietary. you won;t find any developer who'll even look on that problem |
| 10:24.14 | fireba11 | rpc: nope, never seen that one .. sometimes had kernel panic in the vmware module though .. :_( |
| 10:24.19 | BlueParrot | Right, old news, I know, but draft 3 of GPLv3 is out for those interested http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gplv3-draft-3.html |
| 10:24.32 | rpc | fireba11 mhm |
| 10:24.36 | filemover | it must be specific to knoppix but supplied through debian because all my apt sources lists point to the debian testing epositorys |
| 10:24.38 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: what you can do is to upgrade your kernel and related utilities, get the latest version of that driver and try again |
| 10:24.40 | fireba11 | rpc: vmware is not using normal bridged mode but it own |
| 10:24.48 | fireba11 | it's |
| 10:24.51 | bzed | filemover: install a debian kernel then |
| 10:24.59 | rpc | fireba11 well i use vbox as it runs much better than vmware :) and it uses a regular bridging too |
| 10:25.04 | filemover | how do i make sure its debian |
| 10:25.14 | filemover | what do i use in apt |
| 10:25.21 | fireba11 | rpc: what's vbox ? the vmware server is pretty nice though |
| 10:25.29 | rpc | fireba11 virtualbox.org |
| 10:25.40 | rpc | those guys kick ass seriously |
| 10:26.27 | fireba11 | ooo .. that's looking neat |
| 10:26.47 | rpc | fireba11 yes.. and it's completely command line driven if you prefer... like me :) |
| 10:27.17 | fengor | sounds even better rpc *adding vbox to his look-at list* |
| 10:27.18 | rpc | but still networking probs are similar.. must be the damned X2 prob |
| 10:27.25 | rpc | fengor he he |
| 10:27.30 | mina_linux_Tux | bzed: sorry for asking more , but what you can guess is the problem regarding the Kernel version , can it be related to the USB or the driver or , at the time i tried a different USB device and it works , and also tried the driver on another sarge box with same configs and got it booting sometimes and sometimes it hangs when i'm logged to gnome or even again hang at the boot |
| 10:27.46 | bzed | filemover: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 and select the packge which fits to your machine and isntall it then |
| 10:27.47 | rpc | i'm still amased to find how many people don't know about vbox yet and it seriously deserves alot of attention |
| 10:28.09 | fireba11 | rpc: vmware server is too .. you got a remote console if you need though |
| 10:28.46 | rpc | fireba11 i know but vmware is different.. completely different code and runs much slower than vbox.. it's proven many times |
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| 10:29.04 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: well. obviously it's not the hardware. so it's somethign driver related |
| 10:29.04 | maddash | can vbox run windows ? |
| 10:29.07 | fireba11 | rpc: i got a box with 8 GB ram though .. i need it to run on 64-bit OS :-) |
| 10:29.11 | rpc | maddash of course |
| 10:29.22 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: and a recent driver probably likes a more recent kernel |
| 10:29.23 | rpc | fireba11 sweet :) |
| 10:29.38 | maddash | rpc: fast enough? without HW virtualization? |
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| 10:29.48 | fireba11 | rpc : vmware is 32-bit software too but you can run it on a 64-bit linux with some 32-bit libs installed ... |
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| 10:29.55 | rpc | maddash vista will run faster than on ms virtual pc :) |
| 10:29.56 | fengor | 8gb of ram?? nice i'm still stuck with 256mb ram at home ;p |
| 10:30.10 | fengor | on the other hand it's been enough for home use so far |
| 10:30.11 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: but I seriously don;t know. I guess you can't even debug it because it's a proprietary piece of code |
| 10:30.23 | fireba11 | fengor: athlon 64 x2 with 8 GB ram, 4x 320 GB HD :-) |
| 10:30.31 | rpc | fireba11 well you can compile vbox on 64-bit too |
| 10:30.46 | fengor | drool even |
| 10:31.08 | fireba11 | fengor: new fileserver i want will ahve 4x 400 GB for a nice raid5 :-D |
| 10:31.14 | t0wner | there was an article recently about VMWARE I read which came to the conclusion you lose about 40% capacity compared to running natively |
| 10:31.23 | maddash | vbox is slower than vmware |
| 10:31.47 | fengor | sounds juicy fireball :) i thought about getting some new hardware for home this year but i opted for vacation instead ;p |
| 10:31.50 | fireba11 | t0wner: depends on your needs .. i only need a few environments running, they don't have to perform incredibly |
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| 10:31.58 | maddash | http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/83678 ---google translate that thing |
| 10:32.16 | fengor | but i hope you will have fewer probs with raid5 than other ppl here |
| 10:32.29 | fireba11 | fengor: ? |
| 10:32.30 | fengor | raid5 seems to be often a topic |
| 10:32.49 | maddash | can vbox make me a sandwich? |
| 10:32.53 | t0wner | fireba11: which is exactly what VMWARE is for, just interesting that its a pretty big hit |
| 10:33.05 | bzed | fengor: mainly because people neither have a backup, nor know how raid works, but think they could fix weird failures on their own |
| 10:33.08 | fengor | there were at least 2-3 people with raid5 related problems in the last days |
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| 10:33.45 | bzed | md raid5 can be _very_ pissy if a disk fails |
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| 10:34.23 | rpc | maddash have you ever tried vbox? |
| 10:34.25 | fireba11 | rpc: neat they even got an etch package |
| 10:34.29 | rpc | if not, please stop the trollizm :) |
| 10:34.35 | rpc | fireba11 yeah |
| 10:34.47 | maddash | rpc: 'trolling'? |
| 10:35.05 | maddash | rpc: i'm thinking 'out loud' |
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| 10:35.17 | rpc | maddash just go to #vbox and tell them what you think |
| 10:35.18 | fireba11 | bzed: they had a raid 1 syncing in the wrong direction after a disk error here bevore i started working here .. :-D |
| 10:35.24 | rpc | and wait for the reply.. |
| 10:35.55 | maddash | rpc: everything i've just said is still true. i don't see how that is "trolling" |
| 10:35.59 | rpc | everyone knows that vmware is OLD and stinky :) |
| 10:36.02 | bzed | fireba11: I had that with a $1000 HW scsi raid controller, too |
| 10:36.13 | fireba11 | bzed: ouch |
| 10:36.23 | bzed | fireba11: a lot of that stuff os jsut a piece of crap |
| 10:36.34 | maddash | rpc: following what you advised -- *that* would be trolling |
| 10:36.42 | fireba11 | rpc: they don't have soem handy conversion tool to move over from vmware dont't they? *g |
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| 10:36.52 | rpc | vmware also makes it illegal to put individual performance tests online... i wonder why is that? scared of something? |
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| 10:37.06 | maddash | rpc: where'd you get that? |
| 10:37.15 | peterS | ummmmm |
| 10:37.16 | peterS | neither vmware nor vbox are shipped by debian |
| 10:37.20 | peterS | please discuss them elsewhere |
| 10:37.28 | rpc | fireba11 they will have one on the next release |
| 10:37.28 | maddash | peterS: xxxxen. |
| 10:37.49 | fireba11 | rpc: i should probably start drooling right now ... |
| 10:37.52 | rpc | maddash see? you really don't know stuff you try to talk about :) |
| 10:38.02 | rpc | fireba11 he he |
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| 10:38.20 | rpc | peterS right. |
| 10:38.28 | maddash | rpc: i never said i did -- i'm a "prospective virtualizer" |
| 10:38.38 | fireba11 | rpc: will give that a try on hte new box |
| 10:38.39 | rpc | peterS but there is a .deb of vbox available |
| 10:38.59 | peterS | rpc: "there is a .deb available" doesn't mean much |
| 10:39.00 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: (jumping in way late here) you might need to remake your initrd (so it contains the module at boot) .. or ..erm .. 1st make certain the module is listed in /etc/modules |
| 10:39.19 | rpc | peterS ok.. |
| 10:40.06 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: what do u mean by remake my initrd |
| 10:40.27 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: answer my question 1st ;-) |
| 10:41.07 | maddash | cool, 2.6.20.4 lets you run multiple kernels side-by-side |
| 10:41.07 | fireba11 | rpc: no 64-bit etch package though :-D |
| 10:41.08 | rpc | fireba11 hm you would need to compile 64-bit vbox from their svn |
| 10:41.23 | t0wner | anyone tried to get FAI going with lvm? |
| 10:41.40 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: what was it |
| 10:42.06 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: though not exactly in question form --> 1st make certain the module is listed in /etc/modules |
| 10:42.47 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: you mean the firmware ? |
| 10:42.50 | enouf | rpc: what apps are affected by the TSC ? |
| 10:43.16 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: you mean you needed firmware? .. i thought you were loading a module |
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| 10:44.19 | rjalex | please I am feeling so dumb with the /etc/network/interface file ... any good and recent howtos ? using etch. thank you |
| 10:44.36 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: yes , i said i got the printer working good but that's only when i plug it when the system is already finished booting and i'm logged on |
| 10:44.56 | rjalex | !tell rjalex interfaces |
| 10:45.02 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: "i tried to get an HP LJ 10180 working on it , i installed the foo2zjs driver/firmware" < -- what is this foo2zjs? |
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| 10:45.10 | rjalex | 8-) |
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| 10:45.49 | bzed | !tell rjalex about interfaces |
| 10:45.50 | bzed | :P |
| 10:45.52 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: please pastebin output of cat /etc/modules |
| 10:46.10 | maddash | rjalex: /msg the bot. what's wrong with your interfaces? |
| 10:46.24 | rjalex | want to setup an interfaces target called wifihome with static config and a wifioffice with a dhcp setup of the same ath0 interface ... howto ? |
| 10:46.25 | fengor | !tell rjalex about selftell |
| 10:46.27 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: it's the driver http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com |
| 10:46.58 | rjalex | thanks bzed, sorry fengor |
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| 10:47.47 | bzed | *** DON'T USE the foo2zjs package from Ubuntu, SUSE, Mandrake/Manrivia, Debian, RedHat, or Gentoo! |
| 10:47.47 | bzed | *** Download it here and follow the directions below. |
| 10:47.52 | bzed | if I read things like that |
| 10:47.54 | fengor | rjalex: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/312 |
| 10:47.55 | bzed | I'd just shoot them |
| 10:48.17 | rjalex | thanks maddash I do not understand how to write the interfaces so that an ifup ath0home would bring up a statically conigd ath0 while an ifup athoffice should bringup a dhcp configed ath0 |
| 10:48.41 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: did you try the dbeian package? |
| 10:48.56 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: apt-get install foo2zjs |
| 10:49.03 | tenzind_ | hi ... i am using debian sarge. When i do apt-get install irssi-text, all the debs get downloaded but then i get this output (http://pastebin.ca/416599) and apt just freezes. What might be the problem here? |
| 10:49.11 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: and you already tried the Sarge pkg ? http://packages.debian.org/stable/text/foo2zjs |
| 10:49.23 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: If they write such bullshit on their pages I jsut assume that their way to isntall and run that thing is totally fucked up |
| 10:49.26 | mina_linux_Tux | bzed: ok i'll try |
| 10:49.35 | enouf | !win bzed |
| 10:49.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, bzed! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 10:49.38 | maddash | rjalex: man interfaces; i don't know it that is possible, though |
| 10:49.55 | peterS | bzed: that or they have a Schily Complex |
| 10:50.07 | rjalex | fengor thanks I had read that article .. confused on how the "iface home" maps to a given device name ... |
| 10:50.15 | bzed | peterS: indeed. |
| 10:50.35 | mina_linux_Tux | bzed: bullshit , should i try it or not ? |
| 10:50.40 | bzed | peterS: I'm waiting for the next action from that guy,. |
| 10:50.49 | rjalex | oh maddash .. that is scary 8-( I was dreaming about that being possible |
| 10:50.55 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: hmm? sure you should try the debian pacakge |
| 10:51.34 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: only asking regarding the url i gave to you , what i have to check for at /etc/modules as i can't do that now as the machine i'm connected to isn't the one i'm talking about |
| 10:51.38 | bzed | peterS: some people allready thought about warning his wife *cough* |
| 10:51.41 | fengor | rjalex: the mapping between home and the ethX is handled by guessnet as far as i understand the article |
| 10:51.45 | peterS | bzed: he loves to talk. I wonder when he will notice that we never intrude on his support forums and badmouth him there, and therefore it seems a bit childish of him to do that to us. these days that's all he does, though, just badmouths us on our own user support forums |
| 10:52.42 | bzed | peterS: I don't follow d-user, but I read the bullshit on -project. and I know the stuff in the bug |
| 10:53.06 | rjalex | thats it fengor ... I was dreaming about avoiding to use any guessnet or ifplugd packages |
| 10:53.34 | fengor | that wont be possible rjalex |
| 10:53.39 | bzed | rjalex: not a real chance on that. you could use the gnome network manager, though |
| 10:53.48 | bzed | rjalex: I think kde has somethin similar |
| 10:53.52 | peterS | bzed: yeah. it's to the point where, as long as he's no longer threatening to sue us, I'm happy to just put him on a personal ignore list and let him say whatever he wants |
| 10:54.05 | rjalex | omg bzed if I wanted to use NM I would be on Windows or Ubuntu 8-) 8-) |
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| 10:54.12 | rjalex | curse on gnome nm !!! 8-) |
| 10:54.26 | rjalex | omg I do not use or want gnome or kde !!! 8-) |
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| 10:55.23 | bzed | peterS: I'm wondering what would happen if he'd try to sue debian. I guess it would end like sco<>ibm, but it would be over much faster |
| 10:55.39 | bzed | rjalex: there's also some commandline tool for that |
| 10:56.16 | bzed | rjalex: well.. I mean, there're a ton of those tools. apt-cache search laptop network |
| 10:56.17 | peterS | bzed: well in the sense that one glacier flows faster than another glacier. he owns a lot of copyrights we're using, so his intentions matter as much as the actual license wording, and the two are in sharp conflict |
| 10:56.44 | rjalex | thanks bzed will investigate |
| 10:57.35 | bzed | peterS: sure, but the GPL is the GPL. and if it can't be enforced, using programs under GPL would be sensless for me |
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| 10:58.42 | bzed | peterS: I think gpl-violations.org has proved that the GPL is not only a piece of paper. changing a licence on somethign you own the copyright on is a different question, though |
| 10:58.49 | tenzind_ | hi ... i am using debian sarge. When i do apt-get install irssi-text, all the debs get downloaded but then i get this output (http://pastebin.ca/416599) and apt just freezes. this happens for all packages .. |
| 10:59.32 | peterS | bzed: the case would center around whether his public statements contradicting the clear meaning of the GPL actually signal his intention not to license his code under the exact terms of the GPL, though. when he says "this is GPL, but what it means is this other thing" and we all disagree that the GPL means this other thing, a neutral party could conclude two different things |
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| 10:59.58 | azeem | tenzind_: what does /bin/sh point to? |
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| 11:00.13 | peterS | bzed: they could conclude (a) the code is actually GPL and his other statements are nonsense, or (b) the code is licensed in some other way contained within his own mind |
| 11:01.30 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: I would remove whatever you installed and install the deb pkg using apt-get as bzed told you .. everything else should be tshooted afterwards if there's still issues |
| 11:02.00 | bzed | peterS: if doubt that b would happen. that would be like 'I've signed that contract, but while signing it, I had an extra washing machine in my mind, and I want to have that now'. but lawyers and courts are able to maek weird decisions, so it would be definitely better if nobody thinks about sueing at all |
| 11:02.16 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: ok thnx , i'll try and come back |
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| 11:03.31 | peterS | bzed: ahh, but it is not a contract, and that makes all the difference. we didn't sign some agreement with him. instead, he _gave_ us this code, nobody negotiated the exact terms except him (by saying "this is GPL"). with a contract, since two parties have to agree to it when it is signed, you can't just take one party's interpretation. but with the GPL, perhaps you can. |
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| 11:03.55 | bzed | peterS: yeah, that's true, indeed. |
| 11:04.30 | tenzind_ | azeem: /bin/sh points to ash |
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| 11:05.25 | peterS | bzed: the real problem is the uncertainty. it is impossible to get schily to commit to a statement answering the hard questions about his interpretation of the license. he always avoids getting too specific, usually by changing the subject and whining. (: |
| 11:06.06 | azeem | tenzind_: hrm, try making it point to bash |
| 11:06.09 | azeem | dunno if that helps |
| 11:06.15 | tenzind_ | azeem: ok .. |
| 11:07.01 | bzed | peterS: yeah, he always avoids direct questions. I think you could ask him how his wife is and he'd answer 'we have 2 kids'... or so.,.. but.... there's an exam today. and I'm supposed to take it, so I have to leave unfortunately... probably we can continue that discussion later :) |
| 11:07.16 | peterS | bzed: heh. good luck then. |
| 11:07.51 | bzed | peterS: thank you :) |
| 11:07.54 | fengor | yeah good luck bzed |
| 11:08.03 | bzed|afk | thanks fengor |
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| 11:10.40 | tenzind_ | azeem: getting the same error though |
| 11:11.11 | azeem | tenzind_: did you have file system corruption or something lately |
| 11:11.32 | azeem | tenzind_: also, maybe try a different debconf frontend via DEBCONF_FRONTEND=readline or so |
| 11:11.34 | tenzind_ | azeem: no .. |
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| 11:14.05 | t0wner | hmmm ill try again. anyone tried to get FAI working with LVM or RAID? |
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| 11:18.02 | mtoele | dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload |
| 11:18.02 | mtoele | dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included) |
| 11:18.07 | mtoele | what does this mean ? |
| 11:18.09 | mtoele | and is it bad ? |
| 11:18.53 | scx | !info FAI |
| 11:19.07 | scx | what is FAI ? |
| 11:19.19 | t0wner | fully automated install |
| 11:19.56 | scx | thanks |
| 11:19.58 | t0wner | mtoele: no idea im afraid |
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| 11:22.56 | hermogenes | I am having some problems running aptitude update: could not connect to ftp.debian.org, connection timed out. Im using etch. Are there problems with the servers? |
| 11:23.16 | scx | hermogenes: ping |
| 11:23.24 | hermogenes | nice idea |
| 11:23.34 | scx | hermogenes: if success try with apt-update |
| 11:24.04 | scx | if also, then rm -rf Aptitude |
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| 11:25.48 | hermogenes | its not pinging |
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| 11:27.15 | hermogenes | I am having this problem since the day before yesterday |
| 11:27.22 | mike1o | planning on migrating from ubuntu to debian... I have an amd64 cpu, do u suggest I install for this arch? or should I rather choose the more widespread i386 arch? |
| 11:28.03 | azeem | mike1o: depends on whether you need binary-only 32bit software |
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| 11:29.05 | mike1o | I have a separate partition for /home will choosing the same username load my configs directly when installing the same packages? |
| 11:29.46 | mike1o | azeem, all packages need to be 64bit? cant I run 32bit apps? |
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| 11:31.15 | azeem | mike1o: it can, but not out-of-the-box |
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| 11:39.14 | mike1o | azeem, so I can emulate 32bit apps? is there a substantial gain in performance? |
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| 11:39.59 | azeem | mike1o: not emulate, you can install a 32bit version of Debian in a different part of your filesystem and run 32bit apps from there, the kernel can run bot 32bit and 64bit apps |
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| 11:40.50 | enouf | t0wner: I don't think it's supported since devicemapper isn't supported in the kernel or so I here .. you mean preseed yes? |
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| 11:43.06 | HostilePenguin | i installed fglrx and my fonts seem weird |
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| 11:43.13 | azeem | HostilePenguin: ask ATI |
| 11:43.30 | HostilePenguin | i aint even really askin |
| 11:43.36 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 11:43.42 | HostilePenguin | just making a statement |
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| 11:45.25 | Fluxxx | Hi fellas ive messed up my debian last nite n id like to do a recovery. does any1 know how to do it? |
| 11:45.38 | HostilePenguin | how did you mess it up? |
| 11:45.48 | rmrfchik | Fluxxx: restore from backup? |
| 11:46.00 | Fluxxx | no |
| 11:46.06 | HostilePenguin | lol |
| 11:46.17 | Fluxxx | XD |
| 11:46.23 | Fluxxx | no possible ?? |
| 11:46.44 | abrotman | recover how ? |
| 11:46.56 | fen[lunch] | Fluxxx: how do you suppose us to answer when we dont know what you did |
| 11:47.05 | fen[lunch] | you might as well ask for the lottery numbers |
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| 11:48.21 | Fluxxx | i dont even know what i did lol |
| 11:48.26 | Fluxxx | thanks anyway |
| 11:48.40 | abrotman | so start with what is broken |
| 11:48.41 | rtc | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/hppa/apcs04.html.de mentiones /usr/sbin/base-config -- that doesn't seem to exist as of etch anymore, does it? |
| 11:48.48 | fengor | o.O |
| 11:48.56 | azeem | rtc: right |
| 11:49.01 | abrotman | rtc: it's gone |
| 11:49.13 | rtc | is there some equivalent? |
| 11:49.44 | azeem | rtc: it's being done during install now |
| 11:50.10 | rtc | azeem: I'm trying to bootstrap a etch xen guest on fc6... I already got it almost working |
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| 11:50.52 | rtc | azeem: I can configure root passwd, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, /etc/localtime by hand, that's not a problem... just asking if there is some other way to do it after a manual deboostrap |
| 11:51.29 | azeem | I don't think so |
| 11:51.48 | rtc | okay. |
| 11:51.59 | rtc | is there anything I missed above for configuring the system? |
| 11:52.08 | petemc | thats more than whats required to get up and running |
| 11:52.08 | azeem | dunno |
| 11:52.32 | rtc | yeah, it runs without that, right ;) |
| 11:52.49 | rtc | it displays (none) as hostname and root has no password. |
| 11:52.52 | petemc | rtc: oh, you'll need fstab |
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| 11:53.06 | rtc | right, thanks... I already did that. |
| 11:53.26 | petemc | then you're good to go |
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| 11:54.39 | igli | sorry to bother you; is there an irc server in apt-get? |
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| 11:54.54 | petemc | igli: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:55.00 | filemover | hi im installing a video driver after installing knoppix to my harddrive but i cant get it to compile. Ive enabled all the right modules etc etc and Ive tried talking to the people in the knoppix irc channel but i think they are all sleeping |
| 11:55.03 | igli | thanks petemc |
| 11:55.13 | rtc | thanks for help |
| 11:55.14 | abrotman | filemover: ask #knoppix |
| 11:55.14 | filemover | lol |
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| 11:55.24 | filemover | i asked them |
| 11:55.32 | abrotman | then wait |
| 11:55.33 | cydork | filemover: you might have wait a little but they can you more than us. |
| 11:55.40 | filemover | ok |
| 11:55.51 | filemover | u guys got any clues |
| 11:55.54 | filemover | :) |
| 11:55.56 | abrotman | or you could install debian ... |
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| 11:56.08 | filemover | well this basically is debian |
| 11:56.14 | azeem | filemover: sorry, no |
| 11:56.21 | filemover | ok |
| 11:56.24 | filemover | no worrys |
| 11:56.26 | filemover | thnx |
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| 11:56.28 | filemover | :) |
| 11:57.07 | DebFlo | hi, I have a radeon 9800pro and I installed the fglrx module from the ati.com driver packages. fglrxinfo shows correct information, as well as glxinfo. There aren't any warnings or errors in the xorg.0.log, though my graphics performance isn't that good :( |
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| 11:57.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed|afk: Looks like 2.6.20.4 solved the forcedeth issue. On 2.6.20.1, I was still suffering from it. Now, I've already downloaded 6 movies since last night - BitTorrent no longer kills the NIC. :D |
| 11:58.12 | DebFlo | When others are getting about 5-10k fps with glxgears I have about 500fps and also wow isn't running with more than 3fps, any idea what I could do about that? |
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| 11:58.23 | hark | DebFlo: check with glxinfo |
| 11:58.49 | DebFlo | floscomputer:/home/florian# glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 11:58.51 | DebFlo | direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:58.54 | hark | DebFlo: why not just use the Debian fglrx packages? |
| 11:59.46 | HostilePenguin | debflo i just installed fglrx 2 days ago on a 9800pro r350 core and it kind of slowed things like glx gears alittle |
| 11:59.53 | hark | glxinfo |head .. |
| 12:00.11 | HostilePenguin | but games that were unplayable are now very playable |
| 12:00.32 | HostilePenguin | so glxgears isnt a benchmark in my opinuon |
| 12:01.02 | DebFlo | well, sure it is not, but 500fps should be very poor |
| 12:01.22 | HostilePenguin | but increase you agp memory size in your bios |
| 12:01.39 | DebFlo | I had the debian fglrx installed on my previous debian and result was the same :S |
| 12:01.44 | HostilePenguin | 500fps full screen or what? |
| 12:01.52 | DebFlo | no, windowed |
| 12:02.08 | DebFlo | > but increase you agp memory size in your bios |
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| 12:02.16 | baloo-work | furries. |
| 12:02.19 | DebFlo | hm, how will that work? |
| 12:03.31 | DebFlo | well, there's more info I've gathered: when running wow in opengl I have 3-4fps, but when launching with d3d then I have about 30-40fps |
| 12:03.36 | HostilePenguin | my fps seem to slow after awhile whith small agp memory anyway |
| 12:03.47 | DebFlo | (but it hangs up after a few secs with d3d) |
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| 12:04.37 | DebFlo | glxgears is running with opengl as well I think, right? |
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| 12:06.08 | HostilePenguin | yes |
| 12:06.21 | DebFlo | so perhaps it's just an opengl issue :S |
| 12:06.30 | DebFlo | http://rafb.net/p/Tg71Eo93.html |
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| 12:08.34 | DebFlo | (I have had this problem on ubuntu, kubuntu and I still have it on debian, too ...) |
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| 12:09.49 | azeem | DebFlo: what is wow? |
| 12:09.54 | azeem | oh, world of warcraft |
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| 12:10.19 | DebFlo | yup, ran it with current wine version (0.9.33) |
| 12:10.43 | azeem | I'm not sure wine supports hardware accelerated 3D for all cases |
| 12:10.49 | azeem | but dunno |
| 12:10.56 | azeem | isn't there a Linux WoW client? |
| 12:11.13 | DebFlo | hm... I dunno, but don't think so |
| 12:11.18 | xand | I thought there was |
| 12:11.19 | f | hi |
| 12:11.33 | DebFlo | there are many peeps running wow with wine |
| 12:11.34 | xand | maybe not |
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| 12:11.42 | f | i have a problem with atftpd, if i start it, it say atftpd: can't bind port :69/udp |
| 12:11.49 | f | what could i do to make it work |
| 12:11.50 | f | ? |
| 12:11.53 | HostilePenguin | its almost sauerbraten time for me :D |
| 12:11.57 | xand | what's atftpd? |
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| 12:12.13 | azeem | DebFlo: they might use cedega though, or something |
| 12:12.14 | mike1o | azeem, do u mean dual boot? |
| 12:12.20 | azeem | mike1o: hrm? |
| 12:12.28 | f | an tftp daemon |
| 12:12.34 | azeem | mike1o: ah, no |
| 12:12.37 | azeem | mike1o: chrooting |
| 12:12.43 | azeem | you don't need to reboot |
| 12:12.51 | DebFlo | here a paste of glxinfo,fglrxinfo and lsmod: http://rafb.net/p/eactFx43.html |
| 12:13.12 | azeem | DebFlo: we can't help you much with your proprietary ATI drivers |
| 12:13.20 | eisen | do I have to expect a big transition when I keep using testing after the etch release or should I pin it to etch and wait a while until things settle? |
| 12:13.38 | DebFlo | azeem: hm, you could if I had the debian one? |
| 12:13.41 | mike1o | azeem, any links? |
| 12:13.51 | azeem | mike1o: not sure, check wiki.debian.org, maybe |
| 12:13.52 | HostilePenguin | what are you using for open gl? |
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| 12:14.03 | azeem | DebFlo: not much either, it is non-free |
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| 12:14.49 | DebFlo | azeem: hm, so which one would you suggest me to use and do you have a link to a howto or something? |
| 12:15.05 | AlexTurner | Heyy Guys, what is Kernel panic: CPU context corrupt |
| 12:15.07 | azeem | I don't know |
| 12:15.26 | AlexTurner | I keep restarting and it keeps reappearing. |
| 12:15.33 | scx | that's frreeking weird |
| 12:15.37 | DebFlo | HostilePenguin: um... what do you mean by what I am using for opengl? |
| 12:15.48 | AlexTurner | ? |
| 12:15.59 | eisen | AlexTurner: hardware issue perhaps? |
| 12:16.06 | eisen | cpu running hot? |
| 12:16.12 | AlexTurner | Ahh. |
| 12:16.21 | AlexTurner | Let me see in the bios |
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| 12:16.50 | mike1o | azeem, should then install the netinstall 64bit first? anything else i should keep in mind for the install? |
| 12:17.08 | azeem | mike1o: nope |
| 12:17.21 | AlexTurner | At the boot screen, it looks like there is a hear wate. |
| 12:17.25 | AlexTurner | Pdd |
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| 12:17.38 | DebFlo | I already though it might be caused by the agpgart or something, has anyone of you experiences with the intern agp module or something? |
| 12:17.40 | AlexTurner | Unless I'm going insane |
| 12:18.10 | AlexTurner | Dont Worry, I was booting the wrong image. |
| 12:18.20 | azeem | DebFlo: maybe check whether some other native Linux OpenGL games work fine |
| 12:18.47 | DebFlo | hm, right, that would make sense... |
| 12:19.09 | DebFlo | ok, going to try some other opengl apps - brb |
| 12:19.39 | HostilePenguin | aiglx? |
| 12:20.10 | HostilePenguin | xgl? |
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| 12:20.35 | AlexTurner | How do I start my network interface. It used to appear in ifconfig, now it doesn't |
| 12:21.20 | petemc | AlexTurner: auto ethN in /etc/network/interfaces to bring it up at boot |
| 12:21.20 | DebFlo | HostilePenguin: dunno, how can I look that up? |
| 12:21.20 | dimir | ifconfig eth0 IPADDR up |
| 12:21.32 | AlexTurner | Host name lookup failure |
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| 12:22.01 | dimir | AlexTurner: are you sure it's configured via dhcp? |
| 12:22.02 | HostilePenguin | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/10425 |
| 12:22.13 | AlexTurner | i think |
| 12:22.55 | jetscreamer | grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:23.28 | dimir | AlexTurner: how about /sbin/dhclient ethX |
| 12:23.48 | AlexTurner | What do you mean? Is that a command? |
| 12:23.53 | dimir | or just /sbin/dhclient |
| 12:23.56 | dimir | ye |
| 12:24.07 | jetscreamer | if allow-hotplug eth0 is in there, try commenting it out and putting auto eth0 |
| 12:24.38 | DebFlo | HostilePenguin: well, I think you would only use aiglx or xgl when you wanted to have a 3d desktop? |
| 12:24.46 | azeem | right |
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| 12:25.09 | AlexTurner | Ok done, how to i restart the connection? |
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| 12:25.16 | AlexTurner | ifupdown isnt it? |
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| 12:25.31 | jetscreamer | ifdown eth- && ifup eth0 |
| 12:25.35 | jetscreamer | err eth0 |
| 12:25.39 | KWartS | is anybody here who experienced using ktimetrace? |
| 12:25.42 | AlexTurner | SWEET |
| 12:25.49 | AlexTurner | You guys are awesome! |
| 12:25.55 | DebFlo | k, I just want to get better performance with opengl |
| 12:25.59 | jetscreamer | so what was it |
| 12:26.31 | AlexTurner | the config file didn't say auto eth0 |
| 12:26.44 | AlexTurner | How do I give it a static address (It's a server) |
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| 12:27.01 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/network/interfaces properly |
| 12:27.09 | jetscreamer | man 5 interfaces |
| 12:27.10 | AlexTurner | Lol, How? |
| 12:27.22 | DebFlo | ah, for example nexuiz, I only have about 30-100 fps with lowest settings ... that is bad for a ati 9800pro I guess - performance was much better in windows :( |
| 12:27.54 | azeem | anything above 30 fps is fine I thought? |
| 12:27.58 | jetscreamer | what does fglrxinfo (iirc) return |
| 12:28.02 | aeronadix | The is a video codec or something that play some wmv files that I don't have installed and I can't figure out which one |
| 12:28.21 | aeronadix | I can play some wmv files but not all. ANd the ones I do play, I used to be able to play on my old debian system |
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| 12:28.35 | DebFlo | jetscreamer: http://rafb.net/p/eactFx43.html |
| 12:28.41 | jetscreamer | aeronadix: i use the shotgun approach, and installing avifile-* seems to help, you might look at one of those |
| 12:28.42 | aeronadix | also my kaffeine install isn't working so great either |
| 12:29.05 | jetscreamer | see also w32codecs |
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| 12:29.20 | jetscreamer | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 12:29.24 | aeronadix | jetscreamer, I got that one |
| 12:29.25 | jetscreamer | ahouldn't it be ati? |
| 12:29.40 | DebFlo | jetscreamer: not sure... |
| 12:29.52 | jetscreamer | i'm not either i don't have ati |
| 12:30.02 | jetscreamer | i know with nvidia it should say nvidia |
| 12:30.19 | DebFlo | okay, that's strange... will google for it |
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| 12:30.34 | aeronadix | whats avifile-*? |
| 12:30.44 | jetscreamer | !find avifile |
| 12:30.45 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'avifile' (10): avifile-divx-plugin ;; avifile-mad-plugin ;; avifile-mjpeg-plugin ;; avifile-player ;; avifile-utils ;; avifile-vorbis-plugin ;; avifile-win32-plugin ;; avifile-xvid-plugin ;; libavifile-0.7-dev ;; libavifile-0.7c2. |
| 12:30.50 | bahadunn | DebFlo: what have you done so far exactly? |
| 12:30.58 | AlexTurner | !fine interfaces |
| 12:30.58 | pablo_ | hi, how do i set my $EDITOR environment variable |
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| 12:31.04 | AlexTurner | *find hello |
| 12:31.09 | jetscreamer | AlexTurner: /msg dpkg whatever |
| 12:31.11 | AlexTurner | !find hello |
| 12:31.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'hello' (4): gpe-othello ;; hello ;; hello-dbs ;; hello-debhelper. |
| 12:31.14 | gardengnome | hey guys. i'm running nfs-user-server on debian sarge, the client is an ubuntu 6.10 box. i get an i/o error on files larger than 2G; when i try to mount the share using nfsvers=3, it'll say "failed: server is down.". nfsvers=2 works. any clues how i can access those large files? |
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| 12:31.34 | gardengnome | nfs-kernel-server used to work, but i need some features of nfs-user-server. |
| 12:31.34 | AlexTurner | jetscreamer: Cheers m8 |
| 12:31.49 | VImtermute | oy |
| 12:32.14 | DebFlo | bahadunn: I have downloaded the ati driver packages from ati.amd.com and converted them to *.debs |
| 12:32.50 | DebFlo | bahadunn: then compiled them to the kernel, changed my xorg.conf - that's it |
| 12:33.35 | jetscreamer | DebFlo: wrong method imo/iirc (i know?) |
| 12:33.41 | pablo_ | hi, why isn java on non-free repos? |
| 12:33.43 | jetscreamer | the compiled into kernel |
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| 12:33.55 | abrotman | pablo_: which version of debian ? |
| 12:33.58 | jetscreamer | they moved some java to main i think |
| 12:34.02 | bahadunn | DebFlo: when I had an ati card I would compile my kernel, download the ati driver installer package, run the installer, and that should do it |
| 12:34.21 | pablo_ | abrotman: etch |
| 12:34.21 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 12:34.22 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 12:34.23 | bahadunn | DebFlo: then you just make sure fglrx is loaded at boot time |
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| 12:34.43 | bahadunn | DebFlo: and there is some fglrxconfig that can produce a working xorg.conf file for you |
| 12:34.48 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jre etch |
| 12:34.51 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 7287 kB, Installed size: 16168 kB |
| 12:35.21 | pablo_ | abrotman: i mean if they opened the source why java continues on non-free repos? |
| 12:35.34 | abrotman | pablo_: because it's not all open source yet |
| 12:35.43 | DebFlo | bahadunn: ok, one sec... I'm not a linux pro... so what would you actually do? (more detailed steps... especially the kernel compiling isn't that clear to me) |
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| 12:35.52 | abrotman | !java |
| 12:35.52 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
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| 12:35.59 | bahadunn | DebFlo: I cannot explain kernel compiling |
| 12:36.11 | aeronadix | my /var if full |
| 12:36.12 | bahadunn | DebFlo: its too complicated to go into detail about |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | aeronadix: apt-get clean ? |
| 12:36.23 | aeronadix | apt-get clean? |
| 12:36.25 | bahadunn | DebFlo: you would be better off to read the kernel howto and experiment yourself |
| 12:36.28 | aeronadix | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:36.43 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't need to compile your own kernel just to get fglrx working |
| 12:36.45 | DebFlo | bahadunn: sounds good, do you have a good link for that? |
| 12:36.51 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 12:36.51 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 12:37.00 | bahadunn | DebFlo: you could skip kernel compiling and install kernel-headers package |
| 12:37.01 | DebFlo | jetscreamer: truly true... |
| 12:37.06 | bahadunn | DebFlo: that should work also |
| 12:37.19 | abrotman | or DebFlo could install the ati drivers the debian way .. and not compile a damn kernel |
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| 12:37.33 | bahadunn | DebFlo: abrotman feels you should msg dpkg about fglrx one-liner |
| 12:39.28 | bahadunn | DebFlo: usually its good to do something abrotman suggests |
| 12:39.29 | abrotman | jharrison ? |
| 12:39.29 | bahadunn | DebFlo: USUALLY not all the time |
| 12:39.29 | bahadunn | abrotman: hey |
| 12:39.29 | bahadunn | :-P |
| 12:39.29 | bahadunn | hows PA? |
| 12:39.29 | aeronadix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.29 | abrotman | not bad .. but i'm headed to boston today |
| 12:39.30 | DebFlo | hehe, ok, though I don't understand this msg dpkg thingy |
| 12:39.30 | bahadunn | abrotman: ah |
| 12:39.30 | abrotman | !tell DebFlo about fglrx |
| 12:39.30 | bahadunn | abrotman: boston makes me think of the departed |
| 12:39.30 | abrotman | !tell DebFlo about fglrx one-liner |
| 12:39.31 | abrotman | bahadunn: makes me think of BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:39.31 | pablo_ | abrotman: how do i set vi to be my default editor? |
| 12:39.31 | bahadunn | abrotman: ah yes they have some white socks or red socks or something don't they |
| 12:39.31 | abrotman | update-alternatives |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | red sox |
| 12:39.32 | bahadunn | true |
| 12:39.32 | gardengnome | well, it looks like nfs-user-server can't do nfs version 3.*sigh* |
| 12:39.32 | gardengnome | bye |
| 12:39.32 | jetscreamer | you would think they would wash their socks |
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| 12:39.33 | bahadunn | abrotman: you going to a game? |
| 12:39.34 | abrotman | i wish |
| 12:39.34 | abrotman | season hasn't even started yet |
| 12:39.41 | bahadunn | thats what I thought |
| 12:39.43 | DebFlo | okay, so I have to uninstall the old driver before ... let's see |
| 12:39.51 | bahadunn | abrotman: so you going for buisness then? |
| 12:40.02 | abrotman | family |
| 12:40.02 | DebFlo | is it enough to rmmod the modules? |
| 12:40.13 | bahadunn | abrotman: how far is it from where you are now? |
| 12:40.21 | abrotman | six hours or so |
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| 12:40.34 | bahadunn | that sucks |
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| 12:40.48 | bahadunn | abrotman: more then 30 minutes in a car and I fall asleep |
| 12:40.52 | abrotman | heh |
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| 12:41.01 | bahadunn | abrotman: I know 6 hours in the US driving is not that bad though |
| 12:41.47 | abrotman | i get to go through NY and Hartford and Jersey .. it's gonna suck :) |
| 12:41.54 | bahadunn | true |
| 12:42.02 | bahadunn | how far is boston from cananda? |
| 12:42.23 | abrotman | depends which way you drive :) |
| 12:42.32 | bahadunn | im looking on a map |
| 12:42.50 | abrotman | i'd guess five-six hours .. but not sure |
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| 12:43.19 | omg0__ | 6 hours driving in the us can he horrible |
| 12:43.35 | abrotman | only in LA when you go 10 miles in those six hours :) |
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| 12:43.44 | omg0__ | you got that right |
| 12:43.51 | jetscreamer | or when you're evacuating houston |
| 12:43.57 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 12:44.07 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe i'll go to DC next weekend |
| 12:44.54 | omg0__ | rush hour traffic in any major city is horrible can be 2-3 wasted hours going through |
| 12:45.09 | bahadunn | we don't flee hurricanes |
| 12:45.20 | bahadunn | so traffic is not a problem |
| 12:45.34 | bahadunn | well it is during a hurricane |
| 12:45.35 | abrotman | bah .. the kite festival is today |
| 12:45.39 | bahadunn | everyone goes out driving |
| 12:45.46 | bahadunn | silly bahamians |
| 12:45.56 | omg0__ | lol |
| 12:46.22 | omg0__ | bahamas nice. Except hurricane season |
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| 12:48.04 | ttyp0 | hi there |
| 12:48.05 | bahadunn | :-P |
| 12:48.25 | ttyp0 | is there any way to prevent a debian etch from loading one module at boot time? |
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| 12:48.36 | ttyp0 | without compiling kernel source, obviously |
| 12:48.44 | abrotman | erm .. the kite festival is tomorrow |
| 12:48.46 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 12:48.46 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 12:49.00 | omg0__ | I edited my /etc/modules |
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| 12:49.48 | ttyp0 | ok abrotman, but that's on sarge |
| 12:49.50 | omg0__ | ttype0: I edited my /etc/modules when it was loading the same module twice and that took care of it |
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| 12:49.58 | ttyp0 | on a default wtch installation hotplug is not coming by default |
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| 12:50.12 | knoxy | how can I do to connect via gprs (motorola v3) using debian sarge? what programs I need? |
| 12:50.29 | abrotman | ttyp0: it's for both |
| 12:50.34 | abrotman | erm .. all |
| 12:50.38 | abrotman | ttyp0: read the whole thing |
| 12:52.29 | ttyp0 | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 12:52.30 | dpkg | i heard blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run update-initramfs in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 12:52.42 | mike1o | I have a separate partition for /home will choosing the same username, is it safe to create the same username when I install? will that delete my current data? |
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| 12:53.16 | zamuro | dererk: Compatriota Bolivariano Mesmo. |
| 12:54.15 | mike1o | !fuse |
| 12:54.16 | dpkg | from memory, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
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| 12:55.23 | nev | hi all... |
| 12:55.34 | nev | what's with the sarge ftp servers... |
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| 12:56.32 | nev | I've tried 3 separate repositories with apt and aptitude, and now I'm trying using only ftp, and it always stalls at the same place for a file pool/main/x/xfree86/xlibs-data_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3_all.deb |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | !info xlibs-data sarge |
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| 12:57.28 | dpkg | xlibs-data: (X Window System client data), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 885 kB, Installed size: 7484 kB |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | nev: it's stallingon security.debian.org .. hit ctrl-c and try again |
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| 12:59.37 | nev | abrotman: I do try... but this is silly... |
| 12:59.49 | nev | several days apart, and the same thing :( |
| 12:59.58 | nev | it always stalls at the same place.... |
| 13:00.19 | nev | [xlibs-data 596253/907kB 65%] |
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| 13:01.42 | abrotman | nev: can you download it manually with wget ? |
| 13:01.56 | abrotman | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/x/xfree86/xlibs-data_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3_all.deb |
| 13:02.00 | nev | no... it stalls with anything... even plain ftp... |
| 13:02.17 | nev | Lemme try again... |
| 13:02.57 | hermogenes | security.debian.org is not pinging here |
| 13:03.21 | petemc | works here |
| 13:03.22 | nev | nope... same stuff... |
| 13:03.26 | petemc | slow to resolve, but works |
| 13:03.34 | aeronadix | wmvdmod.dll where do you get that? |
| 13:03.40 | nev | always stalls at about 561 000 bytes |
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| 13:04.11 | hermogenes | very strange... |
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| 13:04.57 | hark | maybe do an apt-get clean or auto-clean and try again? |
| 13:05.29 | rgsteele | hermogenes: Try tracerouting to it |
| 13:05.35 | nev | hark. I did that too... but it's plain to see it's not apt related but it has something to do with network... |
| 13:05.43 | rgsteele | hermogenes: See which hop you die at |
| 13:06.11 | nev | I'm trying to install dsniff... it downloads and installs 14 files... always. But it has problem with this particular file... |
| 13:06.17 | hermogenes | hum... lets see |
| 13:06.18 | nev | which is... well weird... |
| 13:06.52 | abrotman | !tell aeronadix about w32codecs |
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| 13:07.54 | Harzilein | what does the "short addressing with factoids containing -> busted" phrase in the topic of #debian-bots mean? |
| 13:08.31 | abrotman | Harzilein: using the bot key character . you can't use a factoid containing -> |
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| 13:08.43 | abrotman | though .. i thought it was fixed |
| 13:09.16 | Jabka | where can i find a maintiner that deals with pptp ? |
| 13:09.27 | abrotman | !maint pptp |
| 13:09.38 | abrotman | which package is it in? |
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| 13:10.13 | azeem | pptp-linux |
| 13:10.18 | azeem | Jabka: why do you need one? |
| 13:11.01 | mha13_ | azeem: i have writen a connection script that could help isreali users |
| 13:11.43 | mha13_ | but i don't know how to pack it in a package |
| 13:11.55 | azeem | mha13_: so file a bug with your script and severity wishlist |
| 13:12.18 | mha13_ | azeem : didn't thout about it .. thnx |
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| 13:15.09 | aeronadix | I was using that codec, I am gonna try and change it from sarge to testing and maybe then it will have new one |
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| 13:16.00 | mha13_ | good day channel .. |
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| 13:19.25 | cydork | abrotman: it is fixed. |
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| 13:19.33 | lewis2 | anyone know of a script for telling a slave bind9 server that it should be supporting certain domains? |
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| 13:21.25 | asd | hello all, is raid 5 with three hds better, or raid 10 with four hds. or doesn't it matter? |
| 13:22.47 | nev | with regards to my update problem with xlibs-data. I got it when I logged in from other ISP network... I vaugly presume previously used ISP has transparent proxy which has a problem with that particular file... |
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| 13:24.56 | SlayerXP | asd: given that raid5 and raid10 are entirely different things, comparing them is somewhat pointless |
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| 13:24.59 | fengor | asd: i'd say raid 10 with 4 hds but then again i'm no raid expert |
| 13:24.59 | suppaman | hello |
| 13:25.20 | suppaman | I've connected my mp3 player and in dmesg I can see "scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices " |
| 13:25.29 | asd | fengor: me either. we don't need the speed. it should be save. |
| 13:25.39 | suppaman | but I cannot understand what device should I use |
| 13:25.43 | suppaman | or what driver I should load |
| 13:25.55 | sep | asd, then raid1 with 4hd's is most safe :) |
| 13:26.32 | cydork | suppaman: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 13:26.39 | suppaman | this is my dmesg http://rafb.net/p/6ZcFhz95.html |
| 13:26.41 | suppaman | k |
| 13:26.42 | suppaman | thx |
| 13:26.43 | asd | sep: why is it safer then RAID 5? Both can recover the loss of one hd? |
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| 13:27.01 | sep | asd raid1 with 4 hd's can loose 3 drives :) |
| 13:27.01 | asd | sep: I just want to know. I am interessted. |
| 13:27.27 | sep | raid10 with 4 drives can loose 1 drive , and a 50% change of loosing drive 2. |
| 13:27.43 | sep | raid5 with 3 drives can loose 1 drive 100% change for loss if you loose 2 drives |
| 13:28.10 | sep | so raid10 is slightly safer then raid5 but raid1 is most safe :) |
| 13:28.38 | suppaman | another thing, man is using more atm, how can I change it to less ? |
| 13:28.57 | suppaman | I mean "more" and "less" cli program |
| 13:29.02 | sep | have you installed less ? |
| 13:29.11 | fengor | suppaman: hmm i'd try setting the pager environment variable |
| 13:29.13 | suppaman | this is a just installed netinst stable |
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| 13:29.29 | fengor | and install less if you havent already ;p |
| 13:29.31 | aeronadix | changing from stable to testing did it |
| 13:29.34 | asd | sep: thx, I start to understand. we are going to set up a new file server. Now I don't know how many drives (4 are possible) and which RAID I should take. 10 clients are working on the file server |
| 13:29.36 | suppaman | fengor: obvioulsy :-) |
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| 13:29.59 | suppaman | fengor: I meant if was it enough to just install it, I'll have a look at "man man" for environment variables |
| 13:30.02 | b1f30_w0rk | got a debian box that's updated, but still 1 hour behind |
| 13:30.20 | fengor | try man $yourshell |
| 13:30.25 | sep | suppaman, update-alternatives select less as your pager |
| 13:30.40 | cydork | suppaman: update-alternatives --config pager |
| 13:30.43 | sep | suppaman, usualy enougf to install it |
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| 13:30.51 | asd | sep: with raid 1 I loose to much space. so Raid 10 would be the best choice, if I get this rigth. |
| 13:30.54 | dustybin | who owns PTR records, ISPs ? |
| 13:30.54 | suppaman | sep: didn't knew what update-alternatives was |
| 13:30.57 | suppaman | that's why I love this chan |
| 13:31.23 | fengor | asd: file safety in raid alwys looses space. somewhere the redundant data has to be stored ;p |
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| 13:31.39 | hisashi_jp | hey.. does anyone can help me with nvidia driver? |
| 13:31.57 | fengor | you will have to decide for yourself what the acceptable safety vs performance level is |
| 13:32.31 | fengor | !tell hisashi_jp about nvidia drivers |
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| 13:32.43 | doudou | hi why when i tape "aptitude remove exim" "aptitude clean exim" then ls /usr/sbin/ex* show me lot of files |
| 13:33.02 | hisashi_jp | i've done all the things that it says |
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| 13:33.23 | hisashi_jp | but what happens is that nvidia runs but does not load glx |
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| 13:33.32 | asg | doudou: try exim4 instead of exim |
| 13:33.50 | sep | doudou, exim should be automaticaly removed when you'r replacement MTA |
| 13:33.59 | sep | when you install your replacement MTA |
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| 13:34.06 | suppaman | ok nice |
| 13:34.08 | asd | fengor: I know. I just want to figure out the best solution. |
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| 13:34.12 | suppaman | I mounted the player |
| 13:34.32 | suppaman | the whole thing is that I wanted to check fs as I had a failure copying a file |
| 13:34.49 | doudou | i tryed aptitude remove exim4 same problem, what is MTA ? |
| 13:34.59 | suppaman | Mail Transport Agent |
| 13:35.07 | bahadunn | doudou: you need a MTA |
| 13:35.15 | doudou | i do not need a MTA |
| 13:35.17 | dustybin | if the whole world used linux, would you see as many exploits / viruses / trojans as you do on windows? |
| 13:35.18 | bahadunn | doudou: if you remove the MTA you will have problems |
| 13:35.20 | bahadunn | doudou: yes you do |
| 13:35.21 | suppaman | the program delivering mails on your local machine |
| 13:35.27 | doudou | i go to my mail with iceweasel |
| 13:35.35 | bahadunn | doudou: the system needs MTA even if you do not |
| 13:35.40 | suppaman | afaik you should keep it even if you think you don't need it |
| 13:35.48 | doudou | i do not need this part of system |
| 13:35.49 | suppaman | programs rely on it to message |
| 13:35.51 | h3sp4wn | use nullmailer |
| 13:35.51 | sep | doudou, running a nix system without MTA is like driving blindfolded. slightly exciting but mostly plain STUPID! |
| 13:35.55 | tdn | I cannot log in to KDE using KDM. /var/log/kdm.log is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/tmp/kdm.log. I have tried logging in to a "failsafe" session. That didn't help either. Please help me, I have no more ideas of how to investigate this problem :( |
| 13:36.05 | suppaman | doudou: it's not _your_ mailbox |
| 13:36.11 | bahadunn | doudou: ok fine when you break your system and it doesnt work nicely anymore do not seek help here |
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| 13:36.14 | doudou | i do want programs able to communicate whithout i know what en when they are doing it |
| 13:36.31 | suppaman | doudou: I couldn't get the sense of your last sentence |
| 13:36.32 | holdenSK | doudou: use windows |
| 13:36.50 | doudou | i come from windows |
| 13:36.53 | sep | doudou, you dont know what it's for so you claim you dont need it ? alters/warnings /logs and stuff is sent to root's account using the MTA. it's a critical part of any nix system |
| 13:36.57 | doudou | it is worse |
| 13:37.05 | sep | doudou, think of it like "event viewer" then |
| 13:37.06 | lewis2 | how do I grep to exclude a single . |
| 13:37.10 | asd | is it possible to write a script which test if the raid is still ok. if not it will sent an E-Mail? |
| 13:37.11 | sep | /var/log + your MTA |
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| 13:37.27 | lewis2 | for instance, I have a list of: domain.com, domain2.com and . - I want to grep to exclude the single . |
| 13:37.33 | suppaman | doudou: you could stay without mta (I did) but from every source I heard it is reccomendable |
| 13:37.34 | mike1o | im doing a fresh install on an amd64 |
| 13:37.38 | suppaman | it is _NOT_ |
| 13:37.38 | tdn | asd, don't you get an e-mail automatically if your RAID is not ok? |
| 13:37.39 | sep | asd, if you use linux software raid then that's included |
| 13:37.41 | holdenSK | lewis2: grep -v '\.' |
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| 13:37.48 | lewis2 | :) |
| 13:37.48 | doudou | i do not need all this stuff, log and so one, useless for me, i am loonking for system with iceweasel without X11 (seems with gtk only and framebuffer) |
| 13:38.10 | suppaman | don't gtk relies on libx11 ? |
| 13:38.12 | mike1o | the only thing keeping me from using the amd64 install is the lack of updated nvidia drivers |
| 13:38.25 | mike1o | the 64bit drivers are dated 2004! |
| 13:38.29 | lewis2 | holdenSK: that excludes the other results, which include a . |
| 13:38.37 | asd | we want to order the system on monday. so far we don't use raid yet |
| 13:38.45 | lewis2 | holdenSK: I want to exclude solely the result which isn't preceded or followed by anything |
| 13:38.50 | bahadunn | doudou: you dont want logs? |
| 13:38.55 | doudou | i dont know if it works yet, i saw what is writen in log files, i do not need this stuff |
| 13:38.59 | suppaman | which should I install to check a fat, dosfsutils or testdisk ? |
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| 13:40.08 | rtc | I have a strange problem with by etch running under xen on a FC6 dom0: Each time I halt the VM and xm create it anew, the interface number increases by one. Ie, the first time it's eth0, the second time eth1, ... and so on. |
| 13:40.15 | rtc | by=my |
| 13:40.27 | asd | at the moment I prefere raid 10 with 4 drives and one drive ready to jump in. I just didn't know if 5 or 10 is "better" |
| 13:40.39 | holdenSK | lewis2: grep -v '^\.$' ? |
| 13:40.40 | suppaman | rtc: maybe previous instance is not cleaning resources |
| 13:40.44 | lewis2 | one sec... |
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| 13:41.14 | lewis2 | that returns everything again |
| 13:41.36 | lewis2 | all the other entries are followed by something.... |
| 13:41.38 | rtc | suppaman: Any idea what I could do? |
| 13:41.54 | doudou | seems to me that simpliest system with only web browser, and most security feature is what is needed by many people who cant trust complex programs |
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| 13:42.18 | fengor | asd: neither is better |
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| 13:42.30 | holdenSK | lewis2: egrep -v '[^.]+\.[^.]' |
| 13:42.33 | fengor | there are two different forms of raids each with their own purpose |
| 13:42.34 | rtc | suppaman: the old guest VM gets destoryed completely before I xm create the new one. |
| 13:42.34 | doudou | is it a not productive direction? |
| 13:42.46 | fengor | to get an idea about how they work i recomment the wikipedia article on raid |
| 13:43.09 | asd | fengor: I am just reading it |
| 13:43.17 | rtc | suppaman: Perhaps might there be some issue that I generate the MAC randomly each time? |
| 13:43.42 | bahadunn | asd: 5 can include any number of drives |
| 13:43.55 | bahadunn | asd: 10 is between 4 drives |
| 13:44.06 | fengor | hmm ok the english article is worser than the german one |
| 13:44.17 | fengor | the german one explains he different raid levels quite nicely |
| 13:44.30 | asd | Fengor: so I read that |
| 13:44.33 | bahadunn | asd: you have have a raid 5 of 10 drives whereas with raid 10 you have to use 4 |
| 13:44.43 | fengor | if you understand german thats an option asd ;) |
| 13:45.04 | asd | kein Problem |
| 13:45.08 | bahadunn | asd: raid 5 is fault tolerant as well and you can have a hot spare or not |
| 13:45.25 | lewis2 | holdenSK: I appreciate the help, but not quite there. the current list is: ., domain1.com, domain2.com - therefore there would always be something before/after the dot, but grep -v "[^.]+\.[^]" doesn't work. |
| 13:45.32 | fengor | bahadunn: thats bullshit |
| 13:45.40 | bahadunn | really? |
| 13:45.43 | bahadunn | how so? |
| 13:45.51 | fengor | you dont ahve to use 4 disks in raid 10 |
| 13:45.55 | fengor | you have to use at least 4 |
| 13:46.02 | suppaman | fengor: there are 5 or 6 forms of RAID afaik |
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| 13:46.43 | suppaman | rtc: I really don't know, |
| 13:47.05 | fengor | suppaman: there are about 8 different forms of raid from which 3 are currently widely used (0,1,5) not counting the combinations like 10 or 01 |
| 13:47.09 | asd | well fengor and suppaman: for a fileserver with 10 clients what would you pic? |
| 13:47.10 | rtc | suppaman: Indeed, if I set the MAC statically, it doesn'T count up. |
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| 13:47.23 | bahadunn | fengor: ok fine |
| 13:47.26 | rtc | suppaman: Any idea how debian stores MAC adresses of previously installed NICs? |
| 13:47.29 | bahadunn | fengor: 4 minimum |
| 13:47.35 | fengor | asd: it depends on what you need, we dont know your environment |
| 13:47.36 | bahadunn | fengor: even numbered disks |
| 13:47.38 | rtc | suppaman: So I can purge them |
| 13:48.00 | suppaman | rtc: I think it's relative to the emulator, has it a kernel driver ? |
| 13:48.20 | suppaman | fengor: I didn't follow the discussion I just read <fengor> there are two different forms of raids each with their own purpose |
| 13:48.34 | fengor | as rtc said: raid 1 with 4 disks will be the most safest for your data |
| 13:49.02 | asd | fengor: advertisment company with 10 MAC OSX Clients. Working on the server with the files. We use a gigabit network |
| 13:49.02 | fengor | ssorry suppaman was typo from me s/there/they |
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| 13:50.05 | fengor | asd and what should that tell me? you cant expect total strangers to make decisions that will influence work behaviour in a whole company |
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| 13:50.35 | rtc | suppaman: Found it, etch stores them in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules Purged; now it works. thanks. |
| 13:50.53 | suppaman | rtc: you did it all by yourself man |
| 13:51.07 | suppaman | rtc: I do use Virtual PC as emulator :-) |
| 13:51.26 | asd | fengor: I know that not what I want. I am just looking for opinions. So it will help me to form a decision. On the net I found some info. one says never use raid 5 others say use it. |
| 13:51.28 | suppaman | now it's tremulous time |
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| 13:51.29 | suppaman | bye |
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| 13:51.53 | lewis2 | how do I awk to remove the first row of results? |
| 13:52.11 | asd | fengor: your input was very helpfull. that was a question just for interesst |
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| 13:53.22 | fsniper | Hi |
| 13:53.33 | asg | lewis2: #awk |
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| 13:54.49 | asd | :) interesting artikel at wikipedia. New Input Raid 0+1 |
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| 13:55.34 | fengor | yeah sometimes wikipedia isnt total bullshit ;) |
| 13:56.01 | fengor | generally wiki is a good starting point but you have to be very careful with the content and verify it with other sources normally |
| 13:56.15 | asd | that's true |
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| 14:10.59 | mehul | Does anyone know if there is a package for Emacs22 available for etch ? |
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| 14:11.57 | fengor | apt-cache search |
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| 14:13.40 | abchirk | Anyone knows how I can change the Server Signature from apache2 maybe with a pic? |
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| 14:15.02 | asg | abchirk: hack the code to replace the server sig with an <img ...> string. |
| 14:15.28 | abchirk | mh k, but in which file I find the code? |
| 14:15.43 | asg | abchirk: grep the src |
| 14:15.52 | asg | abchirk: or ask #apache |
| 14:16.00 | abchirk | ok thx |
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| 14:19.20 | pepsiaddict | is installing Debian using the netinstall stright-forward? |
| 14:19.40 | dustybin | pepsiaddict: if your connection is slowish it takes ages |
| 14:19.50 | asg | pepsiaddict: as long as your nic is supported, yes |
| 14:20.22 | pepsiaddict | Is it a command line install or will it boot right into it from the netinstall CD? |
| 14:20.35 | asg | pepsiaddict: it uses the same installer as the CD |
| 14:20.49 | pepsiaddict | good deal |
| 14:21.19 | dustybin | does anybody know how many bugs are left to remove on the etch packages? |
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| 14:21.48 | asg | dustybin: the latest word from d-d-a was a release should occur after April 2nd |
| 14:21.56 | dustybin | cool |
| 14:21.56 | jm|work | anyone using experimental and madwifi and found problems lately? |
| 14:22.22 | russo | ugh!!!! i'm so tired of batteling cups... i dunno why it isn't working :/ its current rejecting everything except localhost |
| 14:22.22 | asg | dustybin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00023.html |
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| 14:22.44 | russo | and i have the <Location> stuff setup correctly (i believe) |
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| 14:23.38 | dustybin | "Etch is of a very good technical quality, and we just need to |
| 14:23.40 | dustybin | polish a few remaining issues." |
| 14:23.47 | dustybin | :D |
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| 14:29.46 | Alam_Debian | how do I kill a SSH connection? |
| 14:30.01 | russo | Alam_Debian: ctrl + c? or do you mean the daemon? |
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| 14:30.35 | Alam_Debian | I already did '/etc/init.d/ssh stop' |
| 14:30.47 | littleball | hello, which software can be used to convert cd to wav/mp3 file? |
| 14:30.50 | Alam_Debian | and 'who' still list the connection |
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| 14:32.00 | pepsiaddict | wav? :P |
| 14:32.02 | Alam_Debian | litage, abcde |
| 14:32.02 | jm|work | littleball: crip |
| 14:32.13 | Alam_Debian | littleball, abcde |
| 14:32.15 | asg | Alam_Debian: /etc/init.d/ssh stop only stops the daemon, not existing connections. |
| 14:32.20 | littleball | thanks |
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| 14:33.10 | Alam_Debian | ok, who do I kill existing connections? |
| 14:33.11 | asg | Alam_Debian: use ps to find the 'pts' of the connection and kill all processes attached to that pts. If the connection has a login shell, killing that process should be sufficient |
| 14:33.14 | Alam_Debian | *how |
| 14:33.27 | russo | guys could anyone look at this? this is my cups configuration? is this enough? i can post my samba aswell... |
| 14:33.29 | russo | http://pastebin.ca/416827 |
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| 14:34.17 | sasha_bn | hi |
| 14:34.30 | sasha_bn | can someone explain me this: |
| 14:34.30 | fireba11 | i'm trying to compile something on a fresh etch amd64 RC2 install .. got sometroubles since some libs seem to be misplaced .. i had lib32gcc1 installed but /emul missing .. is there some way to just reinstall all of those libs ? |
| 14:34.30 | sasha_bn | C compiler cannot create executables |
| 14:35.02 | Gnea | sasha_bn: what c compiler? |
| 14:35.22 | azeem | sasha_bn: install build-essential |
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| 14:35.40 | sasha_bn | tnx |
| 14:35.41 | sasha_bn | :) |
| 14:36.15 | Alam_Debian | asd, 'ps' only listed 3 pts/5, all local |
| 14:36.50 | pickcoder | fireba11: did you ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 14:37.01 | fireba11 | no .. i should probably |
| 14:37.20 | asg | Alam_Debian: does 'netstat' show ESTABLISHED connections? |
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| 14:37.40 | pickcoder | fireba11: you are better off building 32-bit apps on 32-bit Debian |
| 14:37.56 | Alam_Debian | asg, nope |
| 14:38.07 | fireba11 | pickcoder: i know .. it should work though |
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| 14:38.27 | fireba11 | pickcoder: also i need it running on a 64-bit box because i need my 8 GB of ram |
| 14:38.29 | irule | how can I add acroread to the debian GUI menu? |
| 14:38.34 | asg | Alam_Debian: then it is possible that wtmp wasn't updated correctly. |
| 14:38.34 | Alam_Debian | asg, wait, it's there |
| 14:38.50 | Alam_Debian | wtmp? |
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| 14:39.19 | asg | Alam_Debian: the file that stores login/logout info that who(1) uses |
| 14:39.46 | pepsiaddict | if I want to run a simple lighttpd server on Debian, do I need any of the additional packages beyond the base system? |
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| 14:40.14 | Alam_Debian | I see the connection, ::ffff:134.241.28:46896, I just did not notice SSHD is using a IPv6 port |
| 14:40.15 | pepsiaddict | from the netinstall cd |
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| 14:40.22 | russo | omfg!!!! |
| 14:40.26 | russo | my spooler wassn't writable |
| 14:41.14 | fireba11 | haha |
| 14:41.14 | russo | 4 hours... jesus... what a stupid mistake |
| 14:41.14 | russo | oh ell |
| 14:41.14 | russo | oh well |
| 14:41.15 | pickcoder | fireba11: is ia32-libs installed |
| 14:41.29 | pickcoder | the dev libs are libc6-dev-i386 |
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| 14:41.34 | pepsiaddict | what is the "web server" that is installed on debian? It allows me to select the "web server" package. Is it Apache? |
| 14:41.43 | fireba11 | pickcoder: ah ..ti wasn't .. lemme try |
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| 14:42.00 | fireba11 | pepsiaddict: yes .. among other tools |
| 14:42.09 | pepsiaddict | does it come with PHP installed? |
| 14:42.23 | fireba11 | pepsiaddict: think so |
| 14:42.33 | pepsiaddict | wow, that's going to save me some time :-P |
| 14:42.40 | pickcoder | pepsiaddict: apt-cache show <package> |
| 14:42.45 | lewis2 | how can I view SSH debug to see why an identity file is failing |
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| 14:43.01 | pepsiaddict | pickcoder: still in the installer |
| 14:43.08 | fireba11 | pepsiaddict : not really .. onle apt-get line :-) |
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| 14:43.28 | holdenSK | lewis2: invoke ssh with as much -v as your heart desires |
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| 14:43.29 | mehul | pepsiaddict: if it doesn't install PHP, you can just do 'aptitude install php5" (or php4), so it still saves time :) |
| 14:43.32 | pepsiaddict | ah, they aren't built? |
| 14:43.42 | fireba11 | pickcoder: didn't change anything though |
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| 14:44.17 | levente_kovacs | hi folks |
| 14:44.21 | pickcoder | php5-cgi and php4-cgi is a recommend install apart from lighttpd |
| 14:44.26 | pickcoder | so it's not included |
| 14:44.48 | levente_kovacs | could anyone tell me how can I fix a "internal server error" of gcc4.1? |
| 14:44.50 | fireba11 | pickcoder: he probably doesn't need php-cgi though :-) |
| 14:44.57 | pickcoder | heh |
| 14:45.01 | pepsiaddict | mehul: aptitude will install php5 with one line? |
| 14:45.02 | levente_kovacs | I've just upgraded from stable to testing. |
| 14:45.23 | mehul | pepsiaddict: yeah. |
| 14:45.28 | pepsiaddict | nice. thanks. |
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| 14:45.46 | lewis2 | and to rename a debian user? |
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| 14:46.06 | pickcoder | fireba11: is libc6-dev-i386 installed? |
| 14:46.46 | hark | pepsiaddict: tasksel --task-packages web-server |
| 14:47.19 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 14:47.33 | Harzilein | which package do i have to install if i get this: |
| 14:47.35 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~/Mozilla-DOM-0.20$ perl Makefile.PL |
| 14:47.35 | Harzilein | *** can not find package for any of (mozilla-xpcom >= 1.7, firefox-xpcom >= 1.0, mozilla-firefox-xpcom >= 1.0) |
| 14:47.42 | fireba11 | pickcoder: it wasn't at it seems that did the trick, thanks a lot |
| 14:47.59 | wols_ | Harzilein: there is a mozilla-dev I think |
| 14:48.04 | wols_ | or iceape-dev now |
| 14:48.23 | mehul | pepsiaddict: you can even do "aptitude install web-server" and it will install the recommended webserver (apache2, along with php4) |
| 14:48.46 | Harzilein | wols_: wasn't there a wrapper that finds those things automatically? |
| 14:50.48 | dustybin | im trying to remove a kernel image but this doesnt work |
| 14:50.52 | dustybin | apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 14:51.20 | asg | dustybin: try linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:52.07 | dustybin | thanks :) |
| 14:52.28 | adljsk | tommorrow the sport of kings will have a new champion either discreet cat or invasor most likely |
| 14:52.39 | adljsk | oops wrong foroum |
| 14:53.02 | petemc | sport of kings? whats that, polo? |
| 14:53.10 | mehul | Anyone here useing Sawfish as their window manager ? stand alone, not with gnome ? |
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| 14:53.21 | asg | petemc: shooting serfs with arrows |
| 14:53.25 | petemc | heh |
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| 14:54.29 | neobsd | hi |
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| 14:54.36 | russo | how can i find out the permisions of a file or directory |
| 14:54.40 | russo | whats the command for that |
| 14:54.43 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:54.43 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 14:54.44 | mehul | ls -l |
| 14:54.46 | asg | russo: ls -l ; ls -ld |
| 14:54.48 | tarzeau | russo: stat ? |
| 14:54.52 | neobsd | who use ebtables ? |
| 14:54.52 | neobsd | . |
| 14:54.58 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 14:55.08 | tarzeau | neobsd: certainly some people, check !popcon (well it only tells how many but not who) |
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| 14:57.05 | mehul | When aptitude says "Removing packages because they are unused" is that a good thing and should I let it go ahead and remove the packages ? |
| 14:57.15 | petemc | generally, yes |
| 14:57.37 | xand | that depends |
| 14:57.41 | Maerz | a good program to design text documernts under linux? suggestions ? |
| 14:57.42 | mehul | Does it meant that noone has actually used the programs ? How does it figure this out ? |
| 14:57.47 | tarzeau | petemc: any case where you had it remove something you didn't want remove? what? |
| 14:57.53 | xand | if you've been using apt-get before and now aptitude, i wouldn't say it's good at all |
| 14:57.56 | mehul | Maerz: LaTeX :) |
| 14:58.05 | xand | aptitude is a POS in that case |
| 14:58.06 | tarzeau | mehul: maybe similar like popularity-contest ? the times of a file, see stat file |
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| 14:58.09 | petemc | tarzeau: no |
| 14:58.16 | neobsd | tarzeau: i don't undertand you |
| 14:58.17 | neobsd | . |
| 14:58.23 | tarzeau | xand: ack, especially the recommended/suggests installs |
| 14:58.24 | xand | when i ran it, it wanted to remove most of my system |
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| 14:58.39 | tarzeau | apt tell neobsd ask |
| 14:58.52 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 14:58.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:59.22 | mehul | xand: I've always used aptitude. every now and then I run apt-get, but for the most part, 97% of the time, I use aptitude. |
| 14:59.49 | dustybin | how do i create a public key for a respo? |
| 14:59.55 | dustybin | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signa tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07 DC563D1F41B907 |
| 15:00.05 | neobsd | ok, sorry |
| 15:00.12 | neobsd | understand |
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| 15:00.20 | tarzeau | xand: remember dselect? |
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| 15:00.55 | filleokus | hi i have some trubble with cron and php |
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| 15:01.38 | filleokus | everything works fine when i start the script with ./ but not when crontab tries to run it |
| 15:01.41 | tomprince | quit |
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| 15:01.43 | setuid | Anyone know why prc-tools* hasn't been ported to AMD64? |
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| 15:01.50 | filleokus | http://pastebin.ca/416838 <- the error mail |
| 15:01.56 | mehul | filleokus: does the script have execute permission ? |
| 15:02.07 | solemnwarning | Is there a free program similar to Ghost? |
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| 15:02.22 | setuid | solemnwarning, g4l or gru |
| 15:02.24 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: dd? www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 15:02.25 | setuid | er, g4l or g4u |
| 15:02.26 | filleokus | mehul: yes, the error is that the script cant read a config file |
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| 15:02.35 | setuid | ghost for Linux and Ghost for UNIX |
| 15:02.41 | filleokus | which it can when i do a ./ |
| 15:03.58 | solemnwarning | I want a program that can restore/create images the same way ghost can |
| 15:04.02 | setuid | solemnwarning, See above |
| 15:04.06 | setuid | solemnwarning, g4l |
| 15:04.08 | dustybin | g4l |
| 15:04.10 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 15:04.20 | setuid | solemnwarning, It won't be compatable with the Symantec format files, of course |
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| 15:04.27 | solemnwarning | setuid: Thats fine |
| 15:04.28 | dustybin | g4l = ghost 4 linux |
| 15:04.29 | setuid | or Norton, or whoever owns that now |
| 15:04.32 | tarzeau | has anyone tried pacman? it's horrible |
| 15:04.42 | solemnwarning | As long as I can make bootdisks, network restore ect |
| 15:04.51 | solemnwarning | tarzeau: yes, horrible |
| 15:04.52 | setuid | solemnwarning, Its on Sourceforge |
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| 15:05.01 | xand | tarzeau: yes |
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| 15:08.13 | sasha_bn | configure.ac:23: option `-Wall' not recognized |
| 15:08.13 | sasha_bn | autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 |
| 15:08.16 | sasha_bn | ? |
| 15:08.34 | sasha_bn | can someone help whit this |
| 15:08.35 | sasha_bn | ? |
| 15:08.36 | azeem | sasha_bn: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:08.41 | setuid | sasha_bn, What are you passing -Wall to? |
| 15:08.45 | setuid | -Wall is a CFLAG |
| 15:08.45 | sasha_bn | compile server |
| 15:08.46 | sasha_bn | :) |
| 15:08.52 | azeem | sasha_bn: what server? |
| 15:08.54 | setuid | export CFLAGS="-g -Wall" |
| 15:08.55 | azeem | and why? |
| 15:08.58 | sasha_bn | autoreconf --install |
| 15:09.10 | sasha_bn | mangos |
| 15:09.11 | sasha_bn | :) |
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| 15:09.25 | azeem | sasha_bn: then ask the mangos people |
| 15:09.59 | azeem | sasha_bn: or look what's in configure.ac on line 23 and fix it yourself; also check whether you have CFLAGS ste in your environment maybe |
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| 15:10.12 | sasha_bn | tnx |
| 15:10.42 | sasha_bn | AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([-Wall -Werror dist-bzip2]) |
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| 15:10.59 | sasha_bn | i don't know what i have to fix |
| 15:11.00 | sasha_bn | :S |
| 15:11.00 | azeem | maybe your version of automake is too old |
| 15:11.10 | sasha_bn | w8 |
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| 15:11.26 | sasha_bn | automake (GNU automake) 1.6.3 |
| 15:11.34 | azeem | that's pretty old |
| 15:11.45 | azeem | try 1.8 or 1.9 or so |
| 15:11.51 | sasha_bn | tnx |
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| 15:13.07 | sasha_bn | configure.ac:23: option `-Wall' not recognized |
| 15:13.07 | sasha_bn | autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 |
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| 15:13.25 | sasha_bn | sorry |
| 15:13.33 | Maerz | i just installed Lyx, but sepcial characters are broken, what can i do ? |
| 15:13.37 | tarzeau | solemnwarning, xand and njam? or hannah? |
| 15:13.38 | Maerz | *special |
| 15:13.49 | tarzeau | Maerz: which for example? got a screenshot? |
| 15:14.00 | Maerz | the german ue is 1/4 |
| 15:14.12 | Maerz | in the menue.. |
| 15:14.19 | tarzeau | Maerz: which menu? gnome? kde? |
| 15:14.29 | Maerz | no no, only of lyx |
| 15:14.52 | Maerz | in lyx i do Help -> Introduction (in german Hilfe -> Einführung ) and the ü is 1/4 |
| 15:15.03 | setuid | Anyone know why prc-tools* hasn't been ported to AMD64? Can I just pull the source from x86 src-debs and rebuild on AMD64? |
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| 15:15.43 | Maerz | tarzeau i haven't got kde or gnome, i use ion3 |
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| 15:16.43 | sasha_bn | i install automake 1.9 but autoreconf use automake 1.6 |
| 15:16.45 | sasha_bn | :S |
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| 15:17.38 | h3sp4wn | sasha_bn: update-alternatives --config automake |
| 15:18.26 | t0wner | libc6 2.3.6-6 anyone know if a debian apckage for that even exists? |
| 15:18.32 | t0wner | required by open-iscsi :s |
| 15:18.50 | h3sp4wn | !info libc6 etch |
| 15:19.03 | asg | t0wner: open-iscsi is available on etch |
| 15:19.03 | t0wner | !info libc6 etch |
| 15:19.04 | Kobaz | i wonder when debian is getting libc 2.4 |
| 15:19.10 | plundra | Instead of toolchain-source (which seems to be missing in etch), what am I supposed to get? |
| 15:19.19 | t0wner | but not froma sarge kernel |
| 15:19.29 | h3sp4wn | Kobaz: never probably |
| 15:19.30 | plundra | Also tpkg-make couldn't be found either, at all (with apt-file) |
| 15:19.33 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: heh |
| 15:19.48 | h3sp4wn | Kobaz: It was in experimental once but its since been replaced by 2.5 |
| 15:19.57 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: oh hmm, that maybe why |
| 15:20.04 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 15:20.06 | sasha_bn | do i need to restart any daemons |
| 15:20.07 | dustybin | if i wanted a pure minimal etch install, what is the best way of going about it? all i want to install is the things i need |
| 15:20.09 | asg | t0wner: see if you can backport it; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:20.12 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 15:20.16 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: if i try and use some really new ubuntu packages they require 2.4 and it gets all hacky |
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| 15:20.33 | asg | dustybin: after the installation of the base system when it asks if you want to install other stuff, "Just Say No" |
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| 15:20.51 | h3sp4wn | Kobaz: I wouldn't do that |
| 15:20.54 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 15:20.58 | t0wner | man complicated :S |
| 15:21.16 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: there's alot of things one should probably not do |
| 15:21.33 | cusco | any idea about optimizing a mysql-server memory usage? |
| 15:21.48 | h3sp4wn | Kobaz: I probably do quite a few of them but not running ubuntu binary packages |
| 15:22.06 | asg | cusco: there is a chapter in the mysql-doc that covers some items. The High Performance MySQL book from O'Reilly has some tips as well. |
| 15:22.10 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: i know it's probably not recommended, but it's been working fine for me |
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| 15:22.35 | Kobaz | cusco: google has some good stuff also |
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| 15:22.52 | Kobaz | and anyways |
| 15:23.01 | Kobaz | since the crowd in #iptables is apparently dead |
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| 15:23.36 | Kobaz | anyone know how to match and classify incoming packets with iptables... iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING -i ifb0 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:20 iptables very much doesn't like that |
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| 15:25.16 | _syphilis_ | why does useradd add per-user groups when /etc/default/useradd says it's not capable of doing that, and how do i make it stop? |
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| 15:26.18 | Kobaz | _syphilis_: useradd doesn't support it but adduser does |
| 15:26.28 | _syphilis_ | Kobaz: then why is useradd doing it? |
| 15:26.50 | dustybin | im confused |
| 15:27.03 | dustybin | i deleted all the keys with apt-key del |
| 15:27.08 | Kobaz | _syphilis_: at least that's what the defaults file says |
| 15:27.09 | bishopek | Hello. Did someone install Etch on HP Proliant DL140 G3 server with an "HP Embedded SATA RAID Controller"? The only driver I've found is a binary (in rpm) driver for RHEL4 |
| 15:27.12 | dustybin | and i updated all the keys with: apt-key update |
| 15:27.16 | wols_ | is 172.29.57.0/28 a private range or a public IP? |
| 15:27.19 | _syphilis_ | Kobaz: i know, i read the defaults file already |
| 15:27.22 | dustybin | but when i apt-get update it still responds: |
| 15:27.22 | bishopek | Is it possible to make it work? |
| 15:27.24 | dustybin | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 15:27.34 | _syphilis_ | Kobaz: but despite what it says, useradd _is_ adding per-user groups, and i can find no way to disable that |
| 15:27.40 | asg | dustybin: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 15:27.45 | Kobaz | _syphilis_: hmm, heh, i don't know exactly |
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| 15:28.09 | elshaa | how can I allow a normal user to copy a specific file in /root/ ? (would like to avoid changing permissions) |
| 15:28.25 | filleokus | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.28 | asg | wols_: ipcalc indicates it is 'Hosts/Net: 14 Class B, Private Internet' |
| 15:28.31 | Kobaz | wols_: no |
| 15:28.34 | fengor | elshaa: sudo |
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| 15:28.39 | Kobaz | wols_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network |
| 15:28.49 | mehul | elshaa: put that file in some other place, where a normal user can get to it. you shouldn't let normal usesr get to /root. |
| 15:29.02 | jordanb | Is debian going to offer the solaris kernel when it gets GPLed? |
| 15:29.10 | elshaa | fengor: thanks. |
| 15:29.10 | Kobaz | wols_: er i mean, not no |
| 15:29.17 | bishopek | Anyone? |
| 15:29.22 | azeem | jordanb: unknown |
| 15:29.24 | bishopek | :-) |
| 15:29.24 | Kobaz | wols_: forgive me it's friday |
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| 15:29.27 | cusco | Kobaz: I find very little related with privvmpages |
| 15:29.31 | cusco | on google that is |
| 15:29.38 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.39 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 15:29.40 | wols_ | Kobaz: strange thing is, whois has no owner except: NetName: IANA-BBLK-RESERVED |
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| 15:29.55 | Kobaz | wols_: yeah it is a private block |
| 15:30.01 | Harzilein | i don't really want to install iceape-browser to get those perl bindings |
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| 15:30.11 | Harzilein | isn't there an iceweasel-dev? |
| 15:30.16 | leOn | hello all |
| 15:30.19 | fericitu_ | what is the best source for update/install app, because i try "apt-get install partimage" and i recieve : E: Impossible de trouver le paquet partimage |
| 15:30.22 | Kobaz | cusco: i haven't really played with much other than the query buffer sizes and all the standard stuff |
| 15:30.34 | wols_ | Kobaz: www.whatismyip.org gives me that iprange tho |
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| 15:30.47 | wols_ | Kobaz: how can they know (isp is in the 84.x.x.x range or so |
| 15:30.59 | Kobaz | wols_: that's odd |
| 15:31.09 | wols_ | very :( |
| 15:31.21 | kingsley | Why would dosfsck report that "/WINDOWS/START ME" is a "Bad file name" on a "FAT32, LFN" filesystem? |
| 15:31.22 | filemover | is there any way of checking if video for linux has been compiled into the kernel |
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| 15:31.55 | asg | filemover: look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:31.58 | wols_ | filemover: check your /boot/config-* file |
| 15:32.02 | filemover | ok thnx |
| 15:32.11 | filemover | k |
| 15:32.20 | wols_ | Kobaz: I guess the space in there |
| 15:32.36 | wols_ | erm, kingsley |
| 15:32.39 | Kobaz | wols_: yeah that's really just pain odd, someone is breaking the rfc |
| 15:33.43 | leOn | can someone enlighten me on this paste please |
| 15:33.45 | leOn | http://rafb.net/p/zbShmZ99.html |
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| 15:34.16 | asg | leOn: dig doesn't reference /etc/hosts |
| 15:34.26 | rafa_ | hello |
| 15:34.45 | rafa_ | dou you know marc le douvarian? |
| 15:34.47 | leOn | also if i try to use that address on my browser it tries to connect to the same address that telnet tries to use |
| 15:34.57 | leOn | asg: i know that ... therefor my surprise |
| 15:34.59 | azeem | rafa_: is this Debian related? |
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| 15:35.48 | leOn | i have no idea why are some parts of my system trying to use an address that it's not provided neither by my /etc/hosts file or my configured nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:36.07 | rafa_ | i need talk with he |
| 15:36.11 | asg | leOn: doess /etc/nsswitch.conf use nis or ldap for hosts: ? |
| 15:36.12 | rafa_ | is a debian user |
| 15:36.16 | leOn | asg: nop |
| 15:36.20 | asg | hmmm |
| 15:36.40 | leOn | hm@femme-fatal:~$ grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:36.40 | leOn | hosts: files dns mdns |
| 15:37.21 | asg | leOn: do you get the same issue if you remove the 'mdns' entry (just curious) |
| 15:37.33 | leOn | 1 sec |
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| 15:38.15 | leOn | yep .. same behavior |
| 15:38.25 | leOn | (yes, i've restarted nscd) |
| 15:38.44 | Kobaz | leOn: strace may give you some insight |
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| 15:38.52 | asg | leOn: you could perhaps strace telnet ... and strace dig ... and see if they reference different files/dbs |
| 15:39.18 | leOn | true ... lemme ehck |
| 15:39.20 | StucKman | hi all. is there any way to make aptitude only install packages without removing unused ones? |
| 15:39.20 | leOn | check |
| 15:40.16 | sasha_bn | i set automake to use automake-1.9 version |
| 15:40.24 | sasha_bn | but still use automake 1.6 |
| 15:40.25 | sasha_bn | :S |
| 15:40.46 | filemover | im looking at the /boot/config file and there is a huge array of 4fl modules ie usb devices Video adaptors etc but under the heading Video For Linux there is nothing does this mean it hasnt been compiled in |
| 15:40.47 | Harzilein | i'm trying to build Mozilla:DOM and i added checks for iceape and xulrunner in the Makefile.PL, but the make fails because of a non-matching function (can paste if it helps) |
| 15:40.50 | Harzilein | can anyone try to reproduce it? |
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| 15:40.58 | fericitu_ | what is the best source for update/install app, because i try "apt-get install partimage" and i recieve : E: Impossible de trouver le paquet partimage |
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| 15:41.03 | Harzilein | Mozilla::DOM even, from cpan |
| 15:41.25 | StucKman | filemover: it means it hasn't been installed |
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| 15:41.30 | filemover | ok |
| 15:41.33 | asg | fericitu_: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 15:41.44 | filemover | what headers do i need to recompile the kernel |
| 15:41.48 | StucKman | filemover: I mean, it could mean... |
| 15:41.52 | filemover | just build-essential |
| 15:41.58 | filemover | ok |
| 15:42.02 | StucKman | filemover: the headers you need come in the kernel sources |
| 15:42.08 | filemover | ok |
| 15:42.11 | StucKman | maybe libncurses5-dev |
| 15:42.19 | StucKman | for the menuconfig |
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| 15:42.28 | filemover | so the kernel headers come with an upgrade |
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| 15:42.53 | dustybin | binary only comes with upgrade |
| 15:43.00 | StucKman | filemover: that's not what I said. sorry, I came in the middle of something |
| 15:43.05 | filemover | k |
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| 15:43.33 | leOn | can't seem to find anything relevant ... |
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| 15:44.23 | filemover | so in the testing version of debian are the sources for the kernel sent with it |
| 15:44.35 | filemover | or just the binary |
| 15:44.35 | asg | leOn: for what it's worth, #dns might know some oddness |
| 15:44.38 | azeem | filemover: sure |
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| 15:44.43 | filemover | k |
| 15:44.56 | filemover | is it a tarball |
| 15:45.07 | wols_ | filemover: debian comes with sources for all its programs, including the kernel of course |
| 15:45.14 | filemover | ok |
| 15:45.19 | rpc | is there a way of resetting tap device? |
| 15:45.24 | filemover | i just want to isolate where it is |
| 15:45.27 | wols_ | apt-cache search linux-source or kernel-source |
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| 15:45.45 | filemover | kernel-source |
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| 15:45.51 | filemover | great thanx |
| 15:45.56 | filemover | ill take a look |
| 15:45.56 | leOn | wtf!? ... i've tried to prefrom the telnet as root, and it went for the right address ... then i tried with my regular user again and it already worked fine |
| 15:46.21 | asg | leOn: before or after you restarted nscd? |
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| 15:47.58 | filemover | is it possible when recompiling the kernel to edit the config file and then use that to compile rather than going through all those options |
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| 15:48.33 | wols_ | filemover: yes it is. but sometimes the options have dependencies |
| 15:48.44 | filemover | ok i see now |
| 15:48.45 | leOn | after restarting nscd ... but after i restarted nscd, i tried right away with my regular user and the result was the same |
| 15:48.53 | wols_ | something you might miss editing the config directly |
| 15:49.02 | filemover | ok |
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| 15:50.00 | filemover | ive got ubuntu on another partition could I just take that section that im looking for out of that config and passte it into this one |
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| 15:50.10 | filemover | lol |
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| 15:50.14 | christianp_ | hi all |
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| 15:50.29 | christianp_ | is there a way to install all the package i need to compile programs? |
| 15:50.33 | leOn | so i'm guessing that it was my try with root user that somehow corrected some kind of cache |
| 15:50.33 | leOn | this is truely intriguing ... |
| 15:50.33 | leOn | this wasn't the first time something like this as happened, simply the other times i didn't debug the problem right away and it went away |
| 15:50.34 | leOn | it does seem like an nscd problem ... dunno |
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| 15:50.37 | asg | christianp_: install build-essential |
| 15:50.46 | enouf | filemover: still running that knoppix "debian style" installation? |
| 15:50.46 | christianp_ | thanks |
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| 15:50.52 | filemover | LOL |
| 15:50.56 | filemover | yeah thats me |
| 15:51.00 | filemover | all on my own |
| 15:51.03 | filemover | lol |
| 15:51.07 | rjalex | hello is there a debian subchannel for laptop related talk ? |
| 15:51.15 | filemover | hacking arround over here |
| 15:51.17 | asg | christianp_: depend on the programs you are trying to build, if you see failures like "can't find lib foo", make sure to install the libfoo-dev package |
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| 15:51.36 | christianp_ | ok, thanks asg |
| 15:51.36 | asg | rjalex: no, laptop related discussions are prefectly fine in here |
| 15:51.42 | rjalex | thanks asg |
| 15:51.57 | filemover | if i can recompile the kernel with all debian options it should be sweet |
| 15:52.01 | filemover | lol |
| 15:52.10 | fericitu_ | asg i was't here ....i use Debian Sarge |
| 15:52.23 | asg | rjalex: also, if you haven't found it yet, tuxmobile.org is a good source for info on a number of laptops |
| 15:52.33 | filemover | u should see all the fancy stuff in testing |
| 15:52.34 | asg | !info partimage sarge |
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| 15:52.52 | fericitu_ | !info partimage sarge |
| 15:53.01 | RoundyT1 | Is Debian 3.1r5 considered Sarge or Eft? |
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| 15:53.04 | asg | fericitu_: partimage doesn't exist in sarge. Either find a backport or upgrade to etch |
| 15:53.07 | asg | rjalex: sarge |
| 15:53.09 | asg | bah |
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| 15:53.11 | rjalex | I am setting up a console based etch laptop ... I have wifi perfectly up but need to find the simplest way of setting up two modes of configuring it: dynamic at the office and static here at home. looking at a lot of packages to handle that in the simplest way ... any suggestions ????? |
| 15:53.11 | asg | RoundyT1: sarge |
| 15:53.14 | filemover | im looking at kde here and its a real leap ahead |
| 15:53.21 | asg | rjalex: eft is some ubuntu thing |
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| 15:53.26 | asg | bugger bugger bugger |
| 15:53.28 | asg | rjalex: sorry |
| 15:53.35 | asg | RoundyT1: eft is some ubuntu thing |
| 15:53.38 | RoundyT1 | 3.1r5 doesn't support xorg drivers? |
| 15:53.51 | asg | RoundyT1: no but there are backports |
| 15:53.56 | rjalex | me and ubuntu cannot be uttered in the same sentence ! 8-) |
| 15:54.02 | bzed | RoundyT1: just use etch instead |
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| 15:54.05 | asg | RoundyT1: or, you could just upgrade to etch since it will be stable soon |
| 15:54.14 | ChrisW | hey all, anyone know how to use dd to truncate a file to a given size? |
| 15:54.20 | RoundyT1 | im sorry bzed, that's what i meant ETCH |
| 15:54.36 | RoundyT1 | where can i find netinstall disk for Etch |
| 15:54.43 | h3sp4wn | !d-i |
| 15:54.44 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:54.46 | leOn | ChrisW: use count option |
| 15:54.52 | leOn | ChrisW: check dd man page |
| 15:54.54 | rjalex | RoundyT1 google for debian netinst testing |
| 15:55.02 | RoundyT1 | or how can i upgrade via terminal to it? |
| 15:55.14 | asg | ChrisW: and the notrunc option |
| 15:55.19 | bzed | !tell RoundyT1 anout sarge->etch |
| 15:55.25 | leOn | ChrisW: in the shell type "man dd" |
| 15:55.29 | bzed | !tell RoundyT1 about sarge->etch |
| 15:55.29 | leOn | and read |
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| 15:56.11 | ChrisW | leOn: done, and not helped |
| 15:56.20 | ChrisW | man pages suck for figuring out how to do something :-/ |
| 15:56.42 | bzed | !pebcak |
| 15:56.42 | dpkg | it has been said that pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 15:57.05 | enouf | ChrisW: apt-cache show hexedit .. pick one .. and you suck for not liking man ;-P |
| 15:57.14 | bzed | ChrisW: you don;t trucate a file with dd, you read X bytes and write y bytes into a new file |
| 15:57.24 | rjalex | anyone with experience of the laptop-net package ? anything similar less cumbersome ? |
| 15:57.49 | ChrisW | bzed: I have a 34GB file, I want ot truncate it by lopping crap of the end until it's 33GB in size |
| 15:57.49 | bzed | ChrisW: so to trucate afile, you start to read at position 0, read X bytes and write them all into the new file |
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| 15:58.13 | ChrisW | I only have 20GB free disk space |
| 15:58.17 | leOn | ChrisW: funny thing is that i could tell you exactly how to do it ... but guess what, i've learned from the man pages and you're probably not interested in what the man page said ... |
| 15:58.19 | ChrisW | is there no way I can truncate the file? |
| 15:58.40 | ChrisW | leOn: yay for your ego |
| 15:58.42 | enouf | !fish |
| 15:58.43 | dpkg | i heard fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 15:59.02 | zinx | i hate that saying |
| 15:59.09 | enouf | !spank ChrisW with a tunasalad |
| 15:59.15 | ChrisW | if you could tell me, I'd appreciate it, I can't fathom how to do what I want from the man page, and I'm not willing to risk trashing 34GB of data |
| 15:59.23 | ChrisW | !fuckwit enouf |
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| 15:59.55 | zinx | ChrisW: and what happens when you destroy your data anyway? |
| 16:00.24 | rjalex | can anyone coach me on the "mapping" caluse in interfaces ??? I see it as a solution to my problems if I understood how to define an ath0home and an ath0work network stanzas |
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| 16:00.50 | leOn | rjalex: use ifrename |
| 16:00.57 | ChrisW | zinx: I'd check any advice given, but, quite frankly, I don't know what I'm looking for |
| 16:01.01 | rjalex | thanks le0n will investigate |
| 16:01.05 | leOn | if they are two different devices |
| 16:01.10 | bzed | no |
| 16:01.15 | ChrisW | and when you don't know what you're looking for, man pages are next to useless |
| 16:01.19 | bzed | leOn: no different devices |
| 16:01.23 | leOn | hmmm |
| 16:01.26 | bzed | ChrisW: you coudl jsut google |
| 16:01.30 | h3sp4wn | rjalex: Are you using wpa ? |
| 16:01.38 | bzed | ChrisW: I found 3 solutuions within 1 minute |
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| 16:01.40 | ChrisW | bzed: and what, prey tell, makes you think I haven't? |
| 16:01.41 | rjalex | yes h3 |
| 16:01.49 | leOn | gimme a sec, i think i've seen something to manage that kind of thing someday |
| 16:01.52 | rjalex | at home wpa2-psk at work LEAP |
| 16:01.55 | bzed | ChrisW: google for truncate file shell ? |
| 16:01.59 | h3sp4wn | rjalex: wpasupplicant can handle it - see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 16:02.03 | rjalex | at home static ip at worj dhcp |
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| 16:02.13 | ChrisW | I found truncate a while ago, I'm just seeing how long some of the people on this channel continue to act like pricks and stroke their own egos rather than actually helping someone out |
| 16:02.14 | zinx | ChrisW: bs=blah seek=$[byte/bs] count=0 .. may do it |
| 16:02.21 | zinx | ChrisW: but don't blame me if you kill your data. |
| 16:02.28 | leOn | rjalex: apt-cache search laptop|grep net |
| 16:02.40 | leOn | there are at least 3 apps to do that |
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| 16:02.58 | bzed | ChrisW: obviously you did not google right. truncate (2) is not what you're looking for |
| 16:03.06 | rjalex | thanks le0n did that problem is that I remember having uses laptop-net, guessnet etc in the past and it was a nightmare |
| 16:03.08 | h3sp4wn | rjalex: Just set one to a higher priority (there is a good example of how to do it) |
| 16:03.15 | rjalex | le0n do you have a suggestion ? |
| 16:03.25 | rjalex | thanks h3 will study |
| 16:03.30 | bzed | rjalex: which windo environment do you use? |
| 16:03.43 | bzed | *dekstop |
| 16:03.48 | h3sp4wn | rjalex: Mode #2: Roaming Mode |
| 16:03.56 | rjalex | bzed console or sometimes xfce |
| 16:04.16 | ChrisW | bzed: no, but it's a C call, so Ifigured it'd be mapped through to python's file objects |
| 16:04.21 | ChrisW | sure enough, looks like it is |
| 16:04.22 | rjalex | never ever gnome or kde and do not want to use networkmanager |
| 16:04.50 | bzed | ChrisW: perl -e 'truncate "/path/to/file", 1024' << that should do the same |
| 16:04.58 | bzed | ChrisW: there're a ton of ways to do that |
| 16:04.59 | ChrisW | I hate perl ;-) |
| 16:05.28 | bzed | ChrisW: http://docs.python.org/lib/bltin-file-objects.html |
| 16:05.31 | pokingfun | perl screwed up my c brain |
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| 16:05.40 | ChrisW | bzed: correct, that's what I'm working off |
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| 16:07.47 | rjalex | h3sp4wn other than your difficult nickname I love you ! 8-) |
| 16:08.04 | ChrisW | *sigh* |
| 16:08.05 | rjalex | h3sp4wn looks like the roaming mode is my medicine !!! |
| 16:08.18 | fericitu_ | asg partimage was changed with another tool in Sarge ? |
| 16:08.19 | ChrisW | I get an "invalid argument" exception from the file's truncate method |
| 16:08.36 | asg | fericitu_: parted perhaps? |
| 16:08.44 | ChrisW | I'm betting that's 'cos I'm trying to truncate to 30265851828 bytes |
| 16:08.49 | simpson-fan | a question |
| 16:08.55 | asg | fericitu_: oh, no. That's not it. |
| 16:08.58 | simpson-fan | i'm a new debian user |
| 16:09.30 | ChrisW | !ask simpson-fan |
| 16:09.38 | simpson-fan | one moment, sry |
| 16:09.45 | fericitu_ | !info parted sarge |
| 16:09.51 | dpkg | parted: (The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.21-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 16:10.05 | asg | fericitu_: different software altogether. |
| 16:10.08 | simpson-fan | shit |
| 16:10.13 | simpson-fan | okay |
| 16:10.16 | simpson-fan | i downloaded this file |
| 16:10.25 | simpson-fan | debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 16:10.31 | ChrisW | why |
| 16:10.32 | ChrisW | one |
| 16:10.32 | simpson-fan | what ist this binary? |
| 16:10.33 | ChrisW | word |
| 16:10.34 | ChrisW | per |
| 16:10.35 | ChrisW | line? |
| 16:10.43 | simpson-fan | lol, ok |
| 16:10.54 | ChrisW | looks like an iso image to me, try burning it to a CD |
| 16:11.21 | SymmHome | well, soon as this is synched I will heh |
| 16:11.37 | simpson-fan | o yes, this is a dvd iso image, but: wath ist the differnence between binary-1, 2, 3, and so one? |
| 16:12.39 | asg | simpson-fan: so much stuff, so little space. Debian requires more than one DVD / CD |
| 16:13.18 | simpson-fan | hmm, but the essentialest stuff is on the binary-1 image? |
| 16:13.21 | asg | simpson-fan: the most popular packages are available on the lower numbered disks. /msg dpkg cd contents (for an overview of what each contains) or just install from the net when you have a base system up and running |
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| 16:13.26 | suppaman | Hi |
| 16:13.28 | asg | simpson-fan: yes |
| 16:13.36 | suppaman | is there an utility to convert a string to url encoding ? |
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| 16:13.53 | simpson-fan | okay, for the moment i need only the base and a desktop like kde or gnome |
| 16:14.46 | asg | suppaman: just write a quick one yourself using perl, python, or whatever you are comfortable with. Most languages have standard library mods for doing such things. |
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| 16:15.01 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 16:15.37 | asg | !qotd161 |
| 16:15.37 | dpkg | hmm... qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 16:15.37 | filemover | im ready to compile the kernel now anyone know where the sources are Ive looked in /etc/apt and i cant fine them there |
| 16:15.51 | suppaman | asg: I know but I'm not confident with any of these and I was searching something to use on-the-fly |
| 16:15.58 | asg | filemover: they are usually downloaded to /usr/src |
| 16:16.05 | filemover | :D |
| 16:16.08 | filemover | thnx |
| 16:16.26 | filemover | ill see how this goes |
| 16:16.32 | filemover | :) |
| 16:16.57 | asg | filemover: if you ever need to know where a package put its stuff, use 'dpkg -L <pkg>' |
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| 16:17.22 | filemover | ok |
| 16:17.22 | suppaman | asg: I've found one of that funny site that will do a joke using two arguments and I want to paste the url to a friend of mine without letting him see his name in the url immediatly |
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| 16:17.34 | filemover | i found the source directory |
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| 16:17.46 | filemover | are they clean sources |
| 16:17.54 | filemover | i might back em up somewhere |
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| 16:18.30 | asg | filemover: they aren't pristine since Debian's patches have already been applied. |
| 16:18.34 | pepsiaddict | suppaman: http://www.shorturl.com/ |
| 16:18.41 | filemover | ok |
| 16:18.48 | filemover | thats ok |
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| 16:19.21 | filemover | ill back up the kernel image ive got and these sources and give this a go |
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| 16:22.54 | filleokus | anybody that knows why crontab says this http://pastebin.ca/416838 when the script works in bash with no problems |
| 16:23.07 | Timbo | can anybody think of a single source package that creates a binary deb and a separate library deb? |
| 16:23.16 | Timbo | i want to do something like that with my own stuff |
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| 16:23.27 | Timbo | and figure it would be easier just to copy what someone else has done |
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| 16:25.07 | filemover | ive done a dist-upgrade using the debian testing repositries does this include the kernel with the upgrade |
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| 16:25.09 | suppaman | pepsiaddict: won't it redirect ? |
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| 16:25.18 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Has there been any problem with etch on SATA HDDs with XP, Vista already installed on? (I am asking as with ubuntu feisty i am getting error 17 and no matter what i do, it is not working so I am planning to use debian just for the sakes of old good days, I haven't used linux in over a year) Thanks |
| 16:25.24 | pepsiaddict | suppaman: probably. |
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| 16:27.39 | \amethyst | suppaman: echo string | perl -pe 's/(.)/sprintf |
| 16:28.18 | \amethyst | suppaman: you can't encode the protocol or hostname |
| 16:28.51 | fericitu_ | !info g4l sarge |
| 16:29.46 | \amethyst | suppaman: echo string | perl -pe 's/(.)/sprintf("%%%x", ord($1))/eg' |
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| 16:31.26 | \amethyst | suppaman: you can also use URI::Escape, but you have to pass it an extra parameter to have it escape alphabetical characters |
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| 16:31.30 | asg | fericitu_: you want g4u |
| 16:32.00 | filemover | whats the latest kernel version for testing |
| 16:32.12 | asg | filemover: 2.6.18-4 |
| 16:32.16 | filemover | k |
| 16:32.30 | filemover | ill try an upgrade to it first using apt |
| 16:32.36 | filemover | b4 doiing this |
| 16:34.17 | crazy_penguin | Bye all! |
| 16:34.28 | filemover | just to clarify ill use this "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.18-4 " :) |
| 16:35.25 | filemover | no package named that |
| 16:35.28 | pepsiaddict | woohoo! my netinstall is done :-P |
| 16:35.29 | filemover | :( |
| 16:35.49 | pepsiaddict | now I need to get Apache running |
| 16:36.20 | filemover | go and have a caffeine drink pepsiaddict |
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| 16:36.32 | christianp | hi all |
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| 16:36.49 | hark | filemover: it's linux-image-* |
| 16:36.54 | filemover | ok |
| 16:36.56 | filemover | thnx |
| 16:37.00 | penguin | Does Debian have wine? |
| 16:37.02 | christianp | how can i retrieve the name of the package i have upgraded with dist-upgrade? |
| 16:37.08 | filemover | im looking at an old howto here |
| 16:37.20 | \amethyst | !info wine |
| 16:37.29 | pepsiaddict | :) |
| 16:37.32 | filemover | i thinkk debian has just about everything known to man |
| 16:37.35 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.31-1 (sid), Packaged size: 840 kB, Installed size: 2876 kB |
| 16:37.40 | pepsiaddict | or lighttpd... I think lighttpd would be my preference |
| 16:37.40 | filemover | lol |
| 16:38.05 | pepsiaddict | does aptitude do lighttpd? |
| 16:38.21 | filemover | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.18-4 |
| 16:38.29 | filemover | :( |
| 16:38.48 | fericitu_ | what is the best backup tool for debian servers ? |
| 16:38.51 | hark | use apt-cache search |
| 16:38.56 | penguin | On my computer at home yesterday, I did apt-cache search wine and no wine |
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| 16:39.05 | penguin | Today at work there is wine |
| 16:39.07 | davi | How to install acroread on etch? |
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| 16:39.25 | fericitu_ | !info acroread sarge |
| 16:39.38 | hark | davi: try something like evince instead. it's pretty good |
| 16:39.51 | davi | thanks hark |
| 16:39.51 | fericitu_ | what is the best backup tool for debian servers ? |
| 16:39.57 | penguin | Is there an open source way to put video content on the web? |
| 16:40.19 | adaran | can anyone tell me how i can add options to my package's postinst scripts (or anywhere else) that can be configured by apt/dpkg-reconfigure (like xorg or postgresql packages, for example) |
| 16:40.23 | penguin | Web content is the only thing I am missing on Debian. |
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| 16:41.11 | hark | christianp: check the logs |
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| 16:41.18 | fericitu_ | !info parted sarge |
| 16:41.22 | dpkg | parted: (The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.21-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 16:43.20 | penguin | So anyone here know if there is open source way to put video on website? |
| 16:43.26 | fericitu_ | !info BackupPC sarge |
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| 16:43.28 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-2sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 403 kB, Installed size: 1624 kB |
| 16:43.40 | fericitu_ | suuupeer |
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| 16:44.06 | motu | how do I install etch on a super micro board (woodcrest) that has 2 scsi disks in a raid1 configuration? during the install, i'm prompted to choose one of the 2 drives to partition and format... |
| 16:44.07 | fericitu_ | dpkg |
| 16:44.10 | pepsiaddict | bah, what does "not in the sudoer's file" mean and how do I fix it? |
| 16:44.11 | hark | adaran: look into debconf |
| 16:44.18 | leOn | penguin: about that apt-cache search issue ... probably at work you're including the contrib and non-free repositories and only using main at home |
| 16:44.21 | fericitu_ | !dpkg |
| 16:44.22 | dpkg | dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files). |
| 16:44.24 | christianp | hark: thanks. And how can i update my sources.list to search packages from cd? i add lines to sources.list, but apt-get update return me errors |
| 16:44.36 | fericitu_ | !dpkg BackupPC |
| 16:44.39 | adaran | hark, thank you |
| 16:44.39 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of a good program that will record a audio stream? I want it to record for an hour or two so I want it to use mp3 or ogg and I am not going to be around at the time it records so I need it to be able to stop recording a couple hours after it starts |
| 16:44.41 | hark | christianp: use apt-cdrom |
| 16:44.44 | pepsiaddict | apparently I can't be root, so how do I enable root admin for an account |
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| 16:45.39 | hark | !tell fericitu_ -about msg the bot |
| 16:45.39 | christianp | ok :) |
| 16:46.03 | penguin | Is wine non-free? |
| 16:46.13 | hark | no, it's in main |
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| 16:46.52 | fericitu_ | !tell fericitu_ -about backuppc |
| 16:47.19 | pepsiaddict | I don't see an option for enabling system admin for a username in Gnome |
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| 16:48.42 | pepsiaddict | what is the "sudoer's file"? |
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| 16:48.54 | BlueParrot | !whatis sudoers |
| 16:48.59 | BlueParrot | FAIL |
| 16:49.20 | BlueParrot | pepsiaddict: I don't know how to use the bot, but it is essentially a file which says who can use sudo and what they can use it for |
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| 16:49.51 | pepsiaddict | where is it? |
| 16:49.59 | BlueParrot | /etc/sudoers |
| 16:50.08 | BlueParrot | but don't edit it unless you know what you are doing |
| 16:50.10 | pepsiaddict | do you know how to administrate it with gnome? |
| 16:50.18 | BlueParrot | no idea |
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| 16:50.29 | BlueParrot | I have only ever added one line to it, and that was on advice from peopel in here |
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| 16:50.44 | pepsiaddict | hm |
| 16:50.48 | hark | use gksu/gksudo |
| 16:50.52 | hark | !sudoers |
| 16:50.52 | dpkg | hmm... sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 16:51.08 | wols_ | !visudo |
| 16:51.08 | dpkg | from memory, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
| 16:51.18 | wols_ | !sudoers |
| 16:51.18 | dpkg | methinks sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 16:51.30 | pickcoder | echo echo... |
| 16:51.34 | HostilePenguin | if i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will that mess up my fglrx drivers? |
| 16:51.51 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: no |
| 16:51.57 | BlueParrot | pepsiaddict: uhm, yea, you should edit it with visudo rather than any old text editor |
| 16:51.57 | HostilePenguin | ty |
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| 16:55.35 | pepsiaddict | eh I'm just gonna set up the server as root |
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| 16:56.28 | pepsiaddict | eh I can't actually |
| 16:56.43 | HostilePenguin | 3 days ive been trying to set kdm to proper resolution....all i needed was a good old dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:57.56 | pepsiaddict | man visudo works, but it gives me no such command when I type visudo |
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| 16:58.46 | cydork | pepsiaddict: as root? |
| 16:59.00 | pepsiaddict | cydork: I can't sudo, how do I run it as root? |
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| 16:59.28 | cydork | pepsiaddict: with su - |
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| 16:59.38 | hark | what do you really want to do? |
| 16:59.47 | cydork | pepsiaddict: or after logging as root? |
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| 17:02.02 | derobert_work | When I ssh to root@ an Etch box, the motd is printed; on Sarge, no motd is printed... And I'm at a loss as to why. Anyone know where the "don't print motd to root" is set in Sarge? I already checked libpam-modules's changelong and failed to see anything there. |
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| 17:05.13 | vikent | cfgsdfg |
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| 17:06.40 | derobert_work | VImtermute: ? |
| 17:06.47 | derobert_work | VImtermute: ugh, sorry |
| 17:06.55 | VImtermute | derobert_work, :> |
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| 17:08.50 | pepsiaddict | how do I stop Apache2? |
| 17:09.06 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.12 | pepsiaddict | isn't working |
| 17:09.25 | Ronin | pepsiaddict: why not? errors? messages? is it even running now? |
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| 17:09.27 | derobert_work | pepsiaddict: error messages? |
| 17:10.03 | pepsiaddict | ah, nm |
| 17:10.04 | pepsiaddict | got it |
| 17:10.22 | cybermad | i want to buy a switch 24 ports for office use, which one better? Linksys or 3Com or D-Link or LanTech ? |
| 17:10.37 | xand | ##networking |
| 17:11.01 | motu | how do i install debian with scsi raid? the hds are recognized as seperate ones |
| 17:11.48 | karsten | motu: What RAID controller? |
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| 17:11.53 | derobert_work | motu: what type of SCSI raid is this? and do you really want to use it over software raid? |
| 17:12.23 | nesquick | hi there all |
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| 17:12.35 | karsten | motu: If it's not adaptec or 3ware, it's very possibly some cheap pseudo HW raid that's really SW raid. Eg: Nvidia raid controllers. |
| 17:12.36 | nesquick | is there any repository with enlightenment dr17 |
| 17:12.37 | nesquick | ? |
| 17:12.51 | karsten | !tell nesquick about search |
| 17:12.56 | yell0w | any new news on etch release guys? gosh it's developin into an itch now |
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| 17:13.10 | karsten | !wwir |
| 17:13.12 | yell0w | nesquick, there's a script |
| 17:13.22 | karsten | !wir |
| 17:13.22 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:13.51 | cydork | yell0w: yes. it will release on day after tomorrow. |
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| 17:14.09 | yell0w | cydork, no kidding ? |
| 17:14.27 | yell0w | ;( |
| 17:14.38 | cydork | yell0w: yes i dont kid about 1st of april :) |
| 17:14.54 | yell0w | i knew you tricked me |
| 17:15.02 | motu | karsten: intel hostraid |
| 17:15.05 | yell0w | lies! |
| 17:15.12 | karsten | motu: Model? |
| 17:15.18 | motu | derobert_work: should i use a software raid? |
| 17:15.37 | motu | its raid 1 |
| 17:15.56 | derobert_work | motu: AFAIK, intel hostraid is software raid. |
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| 17:16.19 | derobert_work | motu: and, yes, you should prefer Linux's md over a random controller card's softraid |
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| 17:16.45 | motu | derobert_work: ok, how do i set that raid up, mega raid? |
| 17:17.17 | motu | im currently using the same scsi controller for both hds, should i use one controller for each? |
| 17:17.20 | derobert_work | motu: in the debian installer, create identical partitions on each disk. Use them as "physical volumes for raid" |
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| 17:17.38 | derobert_work | motu: isn't intel hostraid SATA, not SCSI? |
| 17:17.45 | motu | ok |
| 17:17.56 | SymmHome | hrm |
| 17:18.08 | SymmHome | can anyone check and see if they can browse to http://debian.mirror.ac.za for me (both ipv4 and ipv6 if you can) |
| 17:18.10 | rpc | is there a way of telling debian to run a specific app on just one core? |
| 17:18.10 | motu | yea, but i was promted to use hostraid from the scsi control menu |
| 17:18.15 | SymmHome | I just wanna verify that it is working |
| 17:18.44 | pepsiaddict | what software should I use to set up a FTP server on my machine? |
| 17:18.54 | rpc | pepsiaddict vsftpd |
| 17:19.35 | derobert_work | motu: wait, is it SATA or SCSI? Normally SATA has one device per port... |
| 17:19.39 | schme | pepsiaddict: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/228 |
| 17:20.18 | SymmHome | intel hostraid is SATA as far as I know |
| 17:20.48 | SymmHome | I could be wrong but I've only ever seen intel scsi raid on high end server boards and it also requires a dallace chip license key to make it work |
| 17:20.55 | motu | derobert_work: its scsi, the menu is adaptec and has the hostraid option, the mb has support for sata raid as well |
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| 17:21.13 | SymmHome | aahh ok then its not intel hostraid :) its adaptec |
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| 17:22.17 | SymmHome | (just btw, there are VERY few hardware raid controllers now days that can compete speed wise with a software raid anyway, and if you had one, you'd know it, cause you'd have paid through your butt for it) |
| 17:22.17 | motu | SymmHome: should i still use megaraid_ |
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| 17:22.42 | derobert_work | motu: Ok. That makes sense. If you're running raid 1, I'd go with linux's md drivers --- it's very hard for even high-end hardware to beat the performance (mirroring is, after all, really simple). As far as if they should be on different ports or not, not sure if it really matters. You could benchmark it. |
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| 17:22.47 | SymmHome | motu, I cant comment on the stability of software raid under linux, you'll have to ask around, I dont know it well enough |
| 17:22.51 | motu | the supermicro card was $500 |
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| 17:23.03 | filemover | back |
| 17:23.05 | filemover | :) |
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| 17:23.27 | motu | can i do hot swap with md? |
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| 17:24.00 | filemover | ive got no sound with this new kernel it said something about not recognizing default with the sound system anyone have any clues |
| 17:24.04 | derobert_work | motu: if the Linux SCSI layer supports it (I think so, though I'm not 100% sure) |
| 17:24.13 | pickcoder | motu: that depends on your controller |
| 17:24.25 | motu | pickcoder: how do u mean? |
| 17:24.26 | pickcoder | you can setup your RAID with spares |
| 17:24.38 | pickcoder | the controller needs to be able to rescan the bus to see new drivers |
| 17:25.05 | motu | pickcoder: i dont understand, anywhere i can read about this? |
| 17:25.24 | pickcoder | motu: how should I know? Look in your controller manual. |
| 17:25.45 | pickcoder | if it's onboard then look at your motherboard manual |
| 17:26.17 | pickcoder | my guess is, no. then again I have never tempted fate by hotplugging a live sata drive |
| 17:26.23 | pickcoder | provided it's SATA |
| 17:26.25 | pickcoder | of course |
| 17:26.34 | motu | scsi.. |
| 17:26.41 | filemover | where is the hardware profiles file |
| 17:27.16 | MarGarina | Any kernel updates expected soon? 2.6.18 is really old... |
| 17:27.19 | pickcoder | then find out if your scsi controller supports hot plugging |
| 17:27.39 | motu | ok |
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| 17:27.53 | derobert_work | motu: also, you of course need SCSI hotswap trays |
| 17:28.14 | motu | derobert_work: how do u mean? |
| 17:28.52 | derobert_work | motu: if you want to hot-swap drives, you need those drives mounted in hot-swap trays |
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| 17:29.12 | derobert_work | motu: also, http://adaptec-tic.adaptec.com/cgi-bin/adaptec_tic.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=11059 has some info on hostraid on linux |
| 17:29.43 | irule | how can I depmod megaraid.o for a newly installed kernel instead of the running kernel? |
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| 17:30.33 | derobert_work | irule: you can only load modules into the currently running kernel.... |
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| 17:30.43 | derobert_work | irule: if you want to load a module by path, try insmod |
| 17:30.47 | motu | derobert_work: i dont have trays, my plan was to pull the server out and open it etc |
| 17:31.12 | pepsiaddict | how do I set the default vsftpd directory? can't find how to do that. |
| 17:31.16 | derobert_work | motu: You'll have to shut down the server to do that. That's no longer hotswap |
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| 17:31.45 | motu | derobert_work: why? |
| 17:32.09 | frankr | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". how do I make this load, it was working a moment ago o_O |
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| 17:33.37 | derobert_work | motu: because SCSI wasn't really designed to be hotswapped easily... the trays insure that the connections are made & broken in the right order. Opening the case and pulling the power/data cables on the drives doesn't. You risk frying the drives & controller doing that. |
| 17:33.45 | b^j | anyone who uses amanda to do backups have a second to give me a hand? |
| 17:34.42 | derobert_work | motu: unless we're talking about SAS here. We're talking parellel SCSI, right? |
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| 17:36.09 | motu | derobert_work: its scsi, dunno if its parallell, both disks on the same controller (there are two controllers on the mb) |
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| 17:36.23 | derobert_work | motu: OK, what do the cables look like? Are they wide & flat? |
| 17:36.52 | motu | derobert_work: whats the diff between wide and flat? |
| 17:37.14 | motu | they are pretty flat |
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| 17:37.25 | derobert_work | motu: Parellel SCSI cables are flat (thin) and wide as well... |
| 17:37.54 | motu | yea |
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| 17:38.01 | motu | i think thats it |
| 17:38.01 | adaran | how does db_purge() (debconf) infer the package name? my pacakge conf data does not get purged =/ |
| 17:38.23 | derobert_work | motu: This is a picture of a SAS drive... Do you drives have connectors that look like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/SASHardDriveComparsion.jpg |
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| 17:38.42 | motu | its not sas |
| 17:38.46 | motu | its scsi |
| 17:38.50 | motu | parallell |
| 17:39.26 | baloo | derobert_work: Heh, don't let this happen to you: |
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| 17:39.42 | derobert_work | motu: Ok. Then you either have to get SCSI hotswap trays (and a controller that supports hot swap) or cold swap the drives. |
| 17:39.52 | baloo | derobert_work: When I was hired at Intel last year, I was previously unaware of SAS's existance when I got thrown into a test lab. |
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| 17:40.09 | rahul | SAS is rather amazing |
| 17:40.13 | filemover | i tried out that new kernel and when i booted into it complained that the sound system did not recognize default for the sound card is there any way to fix this |
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| 17:40.53 | baloo | derobert_work: Even in a lab so loud that you're required by OSHA to wear earplugs in it, people 3 rows down would hear something that stupid and laugh. |
| 17:40.55 | rahul | although lack of daisy-chaining could make for some serious mess of cabling |
| 17:41.02 | rahul | thankfully the cables will be smaller :) |
| 17:41.07 | pickcoder | I never heard about SAS until we bought this server a few weeks ago |
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| 17:41.28 | derobert_work | I've never actually used SAS, just have heard of it... |
| 17:41.33 | rahul | still, smaller cables can get tangled with each other |
| 17:41.37 | baloo | It's only funny to me now because I have finally lived it down. |
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| 17:42.00 | pickcoder | this HP has a drive back plane with hot swap drive modules |
| 17:42.24 | pickcoder | first server I didn't build myself |
| 17:43.52 | baloo | pickcoder: Sometimes it can be fun to go poke around Dell's website to get a general idea of what you want and know what the high end of the price spectrum is... |
| 17:43.58 | derobert_work | motu: anyway, you probably want to go do some research on SCSI hotswap... |
| 17:44.53 | pickcoder | baloo: Some of Dell's stuff is overpriced for what's there |
| 17:44.56 | baloo | pickcoder: Then when you know what you want, go STFYP and get quotes from a builder you can drive to that has a good warranty. |
| 17:45.03 | derobert_work | motu: and, in general, do not assume that pulling connectors with the power on is a safe thing to do. |
| 17:45.07 | baloo | pickcoder: That's why I say Dell is the high end of the price spectrum |
| 17:45.08 | SymmHome | errr |
| 17:45.13 | SymmHome | some of dell's stuff |
| 17:45.13 | SymmHome | is dirt cheap |
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| 17:45.17 | SymmHome | not on the desktop side of things though |
| 17:45.23 | SymmHome | but in particular their storage |
| 17:45.29 | pickcoder | SymmHome: I can't build a decent desktop machine for the same price, via small business |
| 17:45.29 | derobert_work | baloo: nah, you can find higher prices from Sun or IBM |
| 17:45.47 | motu | derobert_work: hehe ok, any links u can recommend? |
| 17:45.54 | SymmHome | I've just ordered a dell powervault MD1000 disk array |
| 17:46.01 | SymmHome | with 15 x 750gig disks in it |
| 17:46.05 | SymmHome | and SAS interfaced |
| 17:46.08 | SymmHome | cost 9.5k USD |
| 17:46.14 | baloo | derobert_work SymmHome: Yeah, but even if it is dirt cheap, odds are you can get the same thing cheaper with Linux compatible hardware from someone you can get a six-hour RMA from. |
| 17:46.16 | derobert_work | motu: not really unfortunately... wikipedia might have something, or google |
| 17:46.16 | SymmHome | EMC wanted 4 times that for the same space |
| 17:46.35 | baloo | derobert_work SymmHome: Beat that with your Dell dude. |
| 17:46.39 | baloo | And smoke it. |
| 17:46.48 | derobert_work | baloo: Heh, I don't order any Dells.... |
| 17:47.04 | SymmHome | baloo, when you manage to build me a system with 10.2 terabytes of space in it |
| 17:47.07 | SymmHome | on a single file system |
| 17:47.10 | SymmHome | for under 9.5k USD |
| 17:47.11 | SymmHome | talk to me |
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| 17:47.44 | SymmHome | I dont buy everything I use from dell, my bigger servers lately have been pure intel based systems |
| 17:48.16 | SymmHome | (quad dual core xeons, 16gigs of hotswappable ram, dual 1600 watt PSU's) |
| 17:48.17 | SymmHome | but dell wins hands down on the storage field |
| 17:48.25 | SymmHome | derobert_work to get the disks is easy |
| 17:48.36 | SymmHome | to get the disks installed in a machine in hotswap bays |
| 17:48.37 | pickcoder | my latest adventure with the S5000 Intel server board has left me with a more profound love of AMD hardware |
| 17:48.38 | SymmHome | is hard |
| 17:48.38 | SymmHome | :) |
| 17:49.17 | SymmHome | pickcoder heh, lemme see if I can give you a model number of the last 2 servers I bought |
| 17:50.17 | SymmHome | its an intel SR6850HW4/M SCSI |
| 17:50.30 | pickcoder | the BIOS was horribly b0rked from the factory and the BIOS update tool that came with the motherboard didn't work |
| 17:50.38 | SymmHome | (quad dual core xeon, 16 gigs of ram, 10 x U320 hotswappable 300gig SCSI disks) |
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| 17:50.46 | SymmHome | *shrug* hasnt given me any problems |
| 17:51.00 | pickcoder | it's all been sorted out now |
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| 17:51.13 | pickcoder | unless you happen to get an older version of the board |
| 17:51.17 | baloo | I miss being a teenager and being able to get away with playing stupid if caught dumpster diving Intel's scrapheap before the recyclers picked it up. |
| 17:51.32 | derobert_work | SymmHome: here's the people I've been having build our servers recently: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i8557/storage-server.php |
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| 17:51.55 | derobert_work | SymmHome: can put 16 * 750GB (12TB total) in there for ~9800 |
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| 17:52.48 | SymmHome | derobert_work yes, but look at that: |
| 17:52.53 | SymmHome | 3800 dollars for the chassis |
| 17:52.55 | SymmHome | now add the cpus |
| 17:52.56 | SymmHome | the disks |
| 17:52.59 | SymmHome | the ram |
| 17:53.02 | SymmHome | and see what it comes to |
| 17:53.06 | baloo | In 1996, Atlanta had the Olympics, Jeff Foxworthy thought the 2x4 relay should be an olympic sport. I discovered Debian and started thinking that maybe the Pentium Relay should be an olympic sport. |
| 17:53.17 | derobert_work | SymmHome: well, that 3800 includes 2GB of RAM and 2 dual-core CPUs... |
| 17:53.20 | SymmHome | when I say 9.5k US Im talking including the disks |
| 17:53.36 | SymmHome | not acording to that page derobert_work, the cpus are optional dependant on what you select |
| 17:54.03 | SymmHome | hold on lemme look at this |
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| 17:55.14 | SymmHome | heh derobert_work |
| 17:55.17 | SymmHome | my config on that site |
| 17:55.22 | SymmHome | comes to 12300 US |
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| 17:56.09 | derobert_work | SymmHome: well, I guess if I ever have a need to buy 10TB of disk, I'll make sure to check Dell |
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| 17:56.44 | SymmHome | infact even if you cut out all the ram down to the minimum option, choose the cheapest cpus they have and remove every other feature there |
| 17:56.50 | SymmHome | with just the disks and the very basics |
| 17:56.57 | SymmHome | its still 500 dollars more expensive :) |
| 17:57.29 | b^j | i installed amanda and am trying to get my backups going. I have the server and client configured according to some docs i have found. amcheck returns no errors, but when i run amdump and then amstatus it gives 100% wait for dumping, any ideas? |
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| 17:57.47 | SymmHome | derobert_work heh *shrug* like I say, I buy hardware all the time, its part of my job, and I use whats best for the job and most cost effective, on everything other than their storage, I wouldnt touch dell, on the storage though they won *shrug* |
| 17:57.54 | baloo | Symm: Am I allowed to do RAID 50 off at least 2.2 * 10^13 floppy drives? |
| 17:58.12 | biopyte | hi. i've got problems sorting by numerical value. "sort -g" doesnt work here with numbers like '1.286960e-04'. any idea? |
| 17:58.13 | SymmHome | errr wtf baloo? :p |
| 17:58.39 | baloo | biopyte: Expand the number, take it out of scientific notation first. |
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| 17:58.46 | SymmHome | yeah I saw :p |
| 17:58.55 | SymmHome | and err rno :p that wouldnt work very well |
| 17:59.06 | SymmHome | heheh |
| 17:59.09 | shogunx | SymmHome, why not just use an EMc Clairion or so? In fact, I have a symmetrix i'll sell you cheap. |
| 17:59.21 | derobert_work | baloo: sure, but first you must calculate the MTBF on your setup |
| 17:59.24 | SymmHome | shogunx EMC is *WAY* more expensive |
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| 17:59.34 | SymmHome | I got a quote from EMC for 3 x what dell wanted |
| 17:59.43 | shogunx | SymmHome, I know. |
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| 17:59.52 | SymmHome | and I just bought 3 of those MD1000's (mirror.ac.za is going to 45 terabytes) |
| 17:59.52 | baloo | derobert_work: jesus... Fine.. 2.2*10e14 |
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| 18:00.05 | biopyte | baloo: i'd like to avoid this. i'm talking about 6500 files with 6500 lines each. i dont want to alter these files. or can i expand 'on the fly'. |
| 18:00.13 | derobert_work | baloo: I suspect your MTBF is measured in microseconds |
| 18:00.13 | biopyte | ? |
| 18:00.24 | SymmHome | its currently got 3 x SSR212MA iSCSI san's in there, but ugh they dont perform well |
| 18:00.25 | shogunx | SymmHome, they are the"rolls royce" of storage, which always makes me laugh. |
| 18:00.32 | baloo | biopyte: You might be able to. Challenge #perl to throw you a oneliner. |
| 18:00.51 | SymmHome | shogunx heh, there are times and situations where the EMC stuff and its redundancy etc may be justified, but not for what Im using this space for |
| 18:00.55 | biopyte | hm. sure. and pure bash? |
| 18:00.56 | delsvr | question, do I have to rebuild/compile my kernel packages everytime I make a slight modification? I'm using make-kpkg, and I just had to add one thing to the kernel but couldn't find a way to essentially update my deb package. |
| 18:01.46 | shogunx | SymmHome, or an IBM shark, for the best in aircraft taking off nise. |
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| 18:01.59 | shogunx | ^^noise |
| 18:02.02 | biopyte | i mean thats what the "-g" was made for, no? |
| 18:02.05 | SymmHome | shogunx heh, I try and buy hardware to fit the task, and part of that is working out risk versus cost of risk mitigation on the hardware, its like when we're buying cisco routers, if its critical, it gets dual sups, if its not, it gets a single one |
| 18:02.26 | biopyte | i ask the bash guys := |
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| 18:02.54 | baloo | Hehehe, SymmHome, I know... 534,774+ MFM hard drives. |
| 18:03.03 | derobert_work | biopyte: sort -g seems to work for me.... |
| 18:03.13 | shogunx | SymmHome, yeah, cisco has a lockdown on routing most places. they were pissed when i implemented quagga to do routing in the solar machines we are building. |
| 18:03.21 | baloo | I might be off by a factor of ten. |
| 18:03.53 | baloo | It's after 5 for me so I'm slightly drunk. |
| 18:03.59 | biopyte | derobert_work: ok |
| 18:04.03 | SymmHome | shogunx I use quagga for testing and certain other things, but not in production |
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| 18:04.14 | SymmHome | quagga doesnt have the feature set for production :) |
| 18:04.33 | delsvr | is there a wiki out there specific to sid/unstable systems? |
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| 18:04.40 | shogunx | SymmHome, try to run a decent routing stack on solar power, and suddenly cisco is not so attractive. |
| 18:04.42 | SymmHome | heh I just ordered 2 new 7606 dual RSP720-C3XL's |
| 18:04.43 | chamane | hello |
| 18:04.51 | derobert_work | biopyte: echo -e '3.05e4\n3.06e3\n3.07e-1' | sort -g gave me the expected order |
| 18:05.05 | SymmHome | shogunx heh, yes, those 7600s eat power, dual 2800 watt PSU's |
| 18:05.21 | baloo | Well, off to walk to the train so I can walk to the post office and pay my bills. |
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| 18:05.36 | SymmHome | shogunx *shrug* like I say, the problem I have with quagga is a.) lack of feature set and b.) its not terribly stable running full table bgp under heavy load |
| 18:06.37 | derobert_work | biopyte: this is with coreutils 5.97-5.3 |
| 18:06.45 | shogunx | SymmHome, you will be rethinking that is a few years when a power crunch comes. |
| 18:07.45 | baloo | Heh, I just finally started to notice my rates go down. Thanks for paying your light bill again, CAlifornia. |
| 18:08.02 | baloo | Only took five years. |
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| 18:08.32 | biopyte | derobert_work: alright |
| 18:08.37 | giodserver | arg |
| 18:08.42 | giodserver | my cd burner wont work |
| 18:09.00 | chatterman | i installed debian 3.1 on windows vmware , i am not able to conf the x window, can someone help me on this please thanks |
| 18:09.35 | jelly | uh, "not terribly stable" is not a good description for a router :-) |
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| 18:10.56 | biopyte | derobert_work: does it also work with more than two decimals, e.g. '3.05764e04' ? |
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| 18:11.27 | SymmHome | shogunx when you get quagga to do mpls |
| 18:11.36 | SymmHome | and when it can do proper policy routing |
| 18:11.45 | SymmHome | then I'll rethink it :) |
| 18:11.52 | biopyte | derobert_work: your example work here, too. |
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| 18:12.23 | irule | cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/base-config': No such file or directory |
| 18:12.33 | irule | can can it be fixed? |
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| 18:13.13 | derobert_work | biopyte: echo -e '3.0345e09\n3.03346e03\n3.44307e-01' | sort -g |
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| 18:13.20 | derobert_work | biopyte: that works here |
| 18:13.35 | derobert_work | biopyte: can you give me two that sort wrong for you, so I can try those? |
| 18:13.52 | dpm_ | does anyone know how touchpads are autodetected? Mine is a synaptics attached to an i8042 device, so it is not listed in the pci.lst file from the discover1-data package for example |
| 18:13.57 | sgeigerbot | when I have ServerName foo.com and ServerAlias foo.org in the same apache config and someone requests http://foo.org the same site gets pulled up but the foo.org remains in teh address bar. how can I make the address line change to foo.com without having to create another virtual host? |
| 18:14.50 | derobert_work | sgeigerbot: send a redirect |
| 18:15.13 | derobert_work | sgeigerbot: there is an option to redirect to canonical I think |
| 18:15.48 | bzed | !tell dpm_ about synaptics |
| 18:16.05 | biopyte | 15595199 208964 15595202 208964 121 127 119 138 3.068035e-08 |
| 18:16.14 | biopyte | 15595199 208964 15595201 208964 121 105 95 138 5.129078e-02 |
| 18:16.23 | biopyte | 15595199 208964 15595203 208964 121 114 112 138 3.504910e-12 |
| 18:16.27 | bzed | !paste |
| 18:16.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 18:16.32 | biopyte | finished |
| 18:16.54 | biopyte | sort these by the values in the nineth field |
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| 18:17.00 | dpm_ | !tell dpm_ about synaptics |
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| 18:17.37 | derobert_work | biopyte: one sec |
| 18:17.44 | biopyte | yep |
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| 18:18.02 | debiangrl | i'm having problems using the nvidia driver. when i switch the driver from nv to nvidia and restart X, my computer hangs |
| 18:18.08 | biopyte | three lines, sort lines by nineth field |
| 18:18.56 | debiangrl | i've tried installing it the deb way and the manual way |
| 18:18.56 | debiangrl | both with no success |
| 18:18.56 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok, sort -g -k9 works here... 3.504910e-12 3.068035e-08 5.129078e-02 |
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| 18:18.57 | biopyte | hmmm |
| 18:19.13 | biopyte | "sort -g -k9" thats what im doing here |
| 18:19.40 | derobert_work | biopyte: do you have the same version of coreutils? If not, it could be a fixed bug. |
| 18:19.45 | dpm_ | bzed: I know about the synaptics driver, I'm using it, but it is not loaded by default (i.e. the touchpad is not autodetected) when using a LiveCD, so I'd like to know what I can do to get it detected so the driver loads. |
| 18:19.47 | biopyte | sort -g -k9 myfile |
| 18:19.54 | biopyte | testing here |
| 18:20.03 | biopyte | should be rather new |
| 18:20.09 | derobert_work | biopyte: dpkg -s coreutils | grep Vers |
| 18:20.13 | kingsley | Which linux utility reports the configuration of Microsoft file systems? |
| 18:20.14 | biopyte | ok |
| 18:20.17 | derobert_work | biopyte: 5.97-5.3 here |
| 18:20.34 | sparrw | can anyone recommend a tool to edit many LDAP entries at once, based on gui selection? |
| 18:20.53 | biopyte | 5.97-5.3 here |
| 18:20.56 | biopyte | crazy |
| 18:20.56 | debiangrl | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:21.09 | bzed | dpm_: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-live << I'd ask there |
| 18:21.10 | sgeigerbot | derobert_work: apt-get install libapache2-redirtoservname |
| 18:21.12 | derobert_work | biopyte: try LC_ALL=C sort -k9 -g |
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| 18:21.21 | biopyte | ah |
| 18:21.30 | bzed | debiangrl: I'll help you |
| 18:21.31 | dpm_ | bzed: thanks for the tip, I'll do |
| 18:21.47 | debiangrl | bzed, great! |
| 18:21.54 | rahul | !any ideas |
| 18:21.54 | bzed | debiangrl: first give me the output of lspci | grep VGA please |
| 18:21.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 18:22.08 | rahul | hamsters now? |
| 18:22.20 | debiangrl | bzed, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go] (rev a3) |
| 18:22.21 | rahul | why not badgers? or goats! |
| 18:22.27 | derobert_work | biopyte: did the LC_ALL help at all? |
| 18:22.49 | bzed | sparrw: ldapvi |
| 18:23.01 | bzed | debiangrl: etch or sarge? |
| 18:23.04 | biopyte | no |
| 18:23.06 | debiangrl | bzed, etch |
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| 18:23.17 | bzed | debiangrl: give me a minute please |
| 18:23.18 | biopyte | it is sorting. but by the prefixes. |
| 18:23.20 | sparrw | bzed: thanks, i hope |
| 18:23.21 | debiangrl | bzed, ok |
| 18:23.32 | rahul | debiangrl: does the nv driver not work fine for that? |
| 18:23.38 | derobert_work | biopyte: Only other thing I can think of is to use e.g., xxd to make sure there are no funny characters in the file that got stripped in the IRC copy/paste |
| 18:23.41 | bzed | sparrw: not really a gui, but vi |
| 18:23.42 | rahul | oh, nvidia |
| 18:23.42 | biopyte | no difference with LC_ALL=C |
| 18:23.42 | scruffy | is there a way for me to have access offline to the dpkg bot's database? :D |
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| 18:24.02 | debiangrl | rahul, i can't get gl to work with it |
| 18:24.06 | rahul | debiangrl: what is the last thing in the X log? |
| 18:24.10 | rahul | /var/log/X*.log |
| 18:24.26 | bzed | debiangrl: the normal driver in etch should support that. first please remove the driver rom the installer please |
| 18:24.41 | biopyte | derobert_work: ok |
| 18:24.51 | rahul | bzed: with accelerated gl? |
| 18:24.51 | bzed | debiangrl: I think /usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 18:24.53 | sparrw | bzed: doesnt seem helpful, too hard to find the ones i want to edit |
| 18:24.59 | irule | base-config will not run with this message Debian base system configuration: There was a problem installing the selected software |
| 18:25.13 | biopyte | but even for this i tried the option "-i" |
| 18:25.20 | bzed | sparrw: sounds you need to learn how to use vi |
| 18:25.36 | sparrw | bzed: i know how to use vi. care to be a little less vague? |
| 18:25.37 | biopyte | grrr .. >:-| |
| 18:25.45 | torrrr | where is the source for 'mv'? |
| 18:25.46 | rahul | arg my neck |
| 18:25.54 | sparrw | bzed: i need to edit the Address field for users bob, john, emily, and sue. |
| 18:25.54 | rahul | torrrr: coreutils, probably |
| 18:25.57 | debiangrl | bzed, i only have nvidia-xconfig in that dir |
| 18:25.58 | bzed | sparrw: as far as I remember you can even selsect filters before loading your full ldap |
| 18:26.12 | bzed | debiangrl: but you did install the nv.run thing? |
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| 18:26.26 | derobert_work | torrrr: dpkg -S `which mv` will give you the package, then apt-get source that packagre |
| 18:26.30 | bzed | sparrw: give it a filter to give you only those users |
| 18:26.42 | torrrr | ok |
| 18:26.46 | derobert_work | torrrr: so, apt-get source coreutils in this case |
| 18:27.01 | biopyte | derobert_work: last try. does it also work for you when you put the numbers from above in a file and then "head -3 myfile | sort -g -k9" |
| 18:27.15 | debiangrl | bzed, bzed i followed all the steps form the debian nvidia how-to |
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| 18:27.24 | debiangrl | bzed, i don't remember a nv.run |
| 18:27.30 | bzed | debiangrl: ok, that's great |
| 18:27.34 | biopyte | sorry for bothering. i'll stop it now. |
| 18:27.36 | bzed | debiangrl: but the howto is a bit outdated |
| 18:27.44 | derobert_work | biopyte: yes |
| 18:27.46 | rahul | oh my god, my body is going to be kicking my ass sunday |
| 18:27.49 | bzed | !tell debiangrl about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:27.51 | irule | Package libnewt0.52 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:28.03 | rahul | I'm gonna be in such pain, it'll be awesome, heh |
| 18:28.06 | bzed | debiangrl: do what dpkg told you |
| 18:28.07 | biopyte | ok. thanks a lot. |
| 18:28.18 | debiangrl | bzed, ok |
| 18:28.19 | irule | where is libnewt0.52? |
| 18:28.20 | bzed | !whip rahul |
| 18:28.29 | bzed | !find libnewt |
| 18:28.30 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libnewt' (4): libnewt-dev ;; libnewt-perl ;; libnewt-pic ;; libnewt0.52. |
| 18:28.35 | bzed | irule: ^^^^^^ |
| 18:28.37 | rahul | wet AND grimy. hawt. |
| 18:28.40 | bahadunn | does this look like a mosh pit or something? |
| 18:28.58 | rahul | bahadunn: I ported the motherfucker right here! |
| 18:29.05 | rahul | PORTABLE MOSH PIT |
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| 18:29.12 | bahadunn | true |
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| 18:29.28 | derobert_work | biopyte: well, if it wasn't weird characters in the file.... I'm stumped. Probably something stupid (isn't it always?) but I can't figure it out. |
| 18:29.37 | bahadunn | rahul: with debian its easy though |
| 18:29.41 | rahul | exactly |
| 18:29.46 | bahadunn | rahul: just aptitude purge moshpit |
| 18:29.53 | torrrr | got it |
| 18:29.56 | rahul | heh |
| 18:30.02 | torrrr | thanks |
| 18:30.02 | rahul | no, I don't purge |
| 18:30.08 | rahul | I just keep drinking more and more |
| 18:30.26 | bzed | debiangrl: in case you wanted to use beryl or something like that you'll ahve to wait a bit, the debian pacakges for the new driver which supports your card are not out yet. with the 9xxxx series it won;t be in the normal one anymore |
| 18:30.46 | rahul | huh? |
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| 18:30.53 | rahul | bzed: she has a geforce4? |
| 18:30.53 | rpc | does anyone know if the kernel-patch-openvz package applies to ANY kernel? |
| 18:31.00 | rahul | er s/?/. |
| 18:31.52 | debiangrl | bzed, so this is what i type? # apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:31.53 | rpc | anyone using openvz around? |
| 18:32.05 | bzed | debiangrl: yeah |
| 18:32.47 | debiangrl | bzed, i get ">" when i type that |
| 18:32.51 | bzed | rpc: I don;t use it, but I know it doesn;t apply to all kernels. not sure which one I've tested, though. some recent one. probably the problem was that it was not a debian kernel - not sure |
| 18:32.59 | mehul | Anyone know if there is a package for the ATI Mobility FireGL V5200 card ? |
| 18:33.09 | rpc | bzed hmm |
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| 18:33.21 | bzed | debiangrl: then you missed something. start with apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` |
| 18:33.29 | rpc | bzed so there is a good chance that i will screw up my kernel if it doesn't fit... |
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| 18:33.42 | bzed | debiangrl: you were either missing a ' or a ` |
| 18:34.00 | bzed | rpc: well try if it applies, if not, don't try to build the kernel ;) |
| 18:34.10 | bzed | rpc: I think it applies well to 2.6.18 |
| 18:34.27 | rpc | i'm running 2.6.20-1 there |
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| 18:34.53 | torrrr | why do the source always have so little doc comments in them? |
| 18:35.00 | sparrw | bzed: the filter is "i pick them off a list" |
| 18:35.11 | biopyte | derobert_work: the "-g" option is broken here. even with the most primitive examples. but only when data is piped to the sort command. i dont understand this. |
| 18:35.13 | mehul | torrrr: what sources are you talking about ? |
| 18:35.15 | sparrw | bzed: AFTER i edit them all then they will have something in common. right now they dont. hence the conundrum |
| 18:35.17 | rpc | also, would you happen to know if linux version of virtuozzo can run windows guests or would that be usable just for linux machines? |
| 18:35.27 | debiangrl | bzed, you right, i was missing something |
| 18:35.36 | PupenoR | Do you know of a program to write test procedures for human beings to carry on and write down the results? |
| 18:35.41 | derobert_work | biopyte: that is very weird... well, if it works with a file, that does at least give you a workaround |
| 18:35.47 | bzed | rpc: that hosuld not be possible |
| 18:35.50 | sparrw | Pupeno2: notepad? |
| 18:35.59 | torrrr | mehul, mv for egsample |
| 18:36.10 | rpc | bzed oh :( |
| 18:36.18 | bzed | debiangrl: if you've used the short line, do apt-get install nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:36.46 | PupenoR | sparrw: if you are talking about a bad proprietary text editor that only runs on proprietary platforms, no. I already have tools much better than that and I am of coures talking about a program more elaborate than that. |
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| 18:37.04 | mehul | torrrr: ahh you meant the actual .c files. I was thinking documentation to go along with the source distribution to tell you how to configure and setup things. |
| 18:37.06 | damko | hi all |
| 18:37.07 | biopyte | sorry .. even does not work with file "sort -g myfile" myfile = 'some lines with one number and nothing else' |
| 18:37.13 | debiangrl | bzed, use frambuffer device interface? |
| 18:37.34 | debiangrl | bzed, use kernel frambuffer device interface |
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| 18:37.46 | bzed | debiangrl: no, don't use a framebuffer |
| 18:37.49 | bzed | rpc: http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechOverview |
| 18:37.58 | mehul | torrrr: Haven't had to look at 'mv' source in ages. Last time I looked at it was when I was going through K&R or browsing in the Sytem III code. |
| 18:38.16 | debiangrl | bzed, does that mean i wont be able to change the resolution of my console? |
| 18:38.18 | torrrr | mehul, when I studied programing... the teachers always insisted that not writing doc comments is bad style |
| 18:38.36 | bzed | debiangrl: no, but you'll have to use the vesa framebuffer instead |
| 18:38.50 | debiangrl | ok |
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| 18:38.58 | mehul | torrrr: same here. but most people learn about 'mv' (in my experience at least) by reading K&R :) |
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| 18:39.33 | bzed | debiangrl: we'll chose the right settings as soon as you have the driver installed. if you're runnign the nvidia framebuffer now we'll have to make sure you end up with vesa-FB on the next boot |
| 18:39.42 | torrrr | mehul, maybe in the real world , programmers are to lazy/buzy to write doc comments |
| 18:40.19 | rpc | bzed hm thank you.. that explains alot |
| 18:40.20 | bzed | debiangrl: you ahve to choose nvidia in the xorg reconfiguration bt |
| 18:40.20 | bzed | btw |
| 18:40.20 | bzed | rpc: np |
| 18:40.20 | rpc | bzed clearly, virtuozzo can't run a diff os... just a clone of a host one :) |
| 18:40.20 | sgeigerbot | What might I be doing wrong here? I executed "newgrp ea" and I'm in the ea group. The output of newgrp is "Sorry." |
| 18:40.20 | debiangrl | bzed, how do i know the correct mouse settings |
| 18:40.20 | bzed | rpc: exactly |
| 18:40.21 | bzed | debiangrl: what does it ask you? |
| 18:40.37 | bzed | debiangrl: usually /dev/input/mice as device and imps2 as model for that mouse |
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| 18:40.57 | debiangrl | bzed, ok |
| 18:41.01 | derobert_work | biopyte: so, for whatever reason, sort -g is borked on your machine.... |
| 18:41.05 | torrrr | mehul, I see a few comments there now |
| 18:41.11 | derobert_work | biopyte: oh... what type of machine is it? mine here is ia32 |
| 18:41.38 | derobert_work | biopyte: I can also test on amd64 (though I havan't) |
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| 18:42.35 | biopyte | i386 |
| 18:42.53 | delsvr | question, do I have to rebuild/compile my kernel packages everytime I make a slight modification? I'm using make-kpkg, and I just had to add one thing to the kernel but couldn't find a way to essentially update my deb package. |
| 18:43.02 | bzed | delsvr: yes |
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| 18:43.36 | mehul | torrrr: great. also, 'mv' should in theory be relatively straight forward, shouldn't be too complicated to decipher. |
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| 18:44.00 | bzed | debiangrl: when you're done with the ...... or not |
| 18:44.17 | torrrr | mehul, I hope so |
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| 18:45.04 | jm|laptop | anyone else having madwifi problems with the last update? |
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| 18:45.28 | biopyte | !paste |
| 18:45.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 18:45.34 | jcummins | I'm wanting to install a package from testing but I'm running debian stable. If I 'apt-get -t testing install [package]', apt says it will install tons of additional crap. Is there a way to install just that one package? |
| 18:46.18 | azeem | jcummins: probably not |
| 18:46.18 | bzed | jm|laptop: didn't update yet, but I'll do so next week |
| 18:46.26 | bzed | jcummins: no |
| 18:46.27 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 18:46.32 | bzed | !tell jcummins about bpo |
| 18:46.37 | azeem | jcummins: that package apparenty has some dependencies which drag some more packages in |
| 18:46.41 | jm|laptop | bzed: I've tried to Atheros cards - I get absolute and/or massive packet loss |
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| 18:46.43 | Plouj | hi |
| 18:46.43 | derobert_work | biopyte: so, same arch. Ok. I have no clue. |
| 18:46.44 | bzed | !tell jcummins about sarge->etch |
| 18:46.46 | jm|laptop | if I even associate |
| 18:46.57 | Plouj | how do I force a NIC to use 100 full duplex? |
| 18:47.03 | bzed | jm|laptop: hmm ookay |
| 18:47.06 | debiangrl | bzed, it got to monitor auto detection and locked my computer up |
| 18:47.08 | Plouj | I get this on a gigabit card: "e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 10 Mbps Half Duplex" |
| 18:47.12 | jm|laptop | Plouj: man ifconfig search for `media` |
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| 18:47.26 | Plouj | jm|laptop: what about in Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 18:47.29 | bzed | debiangrl: O_o are you on console now? |
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| 18:47.40 | debiangrl | yes |
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| 18:47.46 | jm|laptop | Plouj: well; that's what init.d looks at |
| 18:47.58 | bzed | debiangrl: run hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 18:47.59 | Plouj | jm|laptop: yeah, but how do I set it in that file? |
| 18:48.06 | biopyte | derobert_work: i pasted exactly what i have here in http://channels.debian.net/paste/5889 "sort -g" does not work correct with this. |
| 18:48.06 | bzed | debiangrl: if that's not installed, apt-get install hwinfo |
| 18:48.09 | jm|laptop | um |
| 18:48.12 | jm|laptop | never done that :) |
| 18:48.15 | Syntactic | I'm trying to use the etch rc2 netinst but apparently it does not have r8169? |
| 18:48.18 | jm|laptop | man interfaces ;) |
| 18:48.34 | debiangrl | bzed, ok |
| 18:48.49 | derobert_work | biopyte: I did wget "http://channels.debian.net/paste/5889?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21" |
| 18:48.55 | derobert_work | biopyte: then I did sort -g 5889\?tx\=on\&submit\=Format+it\! |
| 18:49.01 | derobert_work | biopyte: and that appears to have worked |
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| 18:49.18 | Syntactic | furthermore there was no kernel/net dir in drivers/ which seemed a bit strange |
| 18:49.19 | bzed | debiangrl: select a solution you'd like to ahve on console and show me the line please, if you don;t know, paste the whole thing in a pastebin please |
| 18:49.38 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 18:49.39 | bzed | Syntactic: it should have the r8169 |
| 18:49.54 | biopyte | derobert_work: are you sure its sorted by the exponents and not the prefix? |
| 18:50.01 | bzed | Syntactic: if you want to find a driver there you need to learn how an installer works |
| 18:50.03 | Syntactic | well the network card detection is failing |
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| 18:50.17 | Mazingaro | please is there anyone that could help me to configure xorg for a geforce2 mx/mx 400? thanks |
| 18:50.25 | Syntactic | bzed, excuse me? |
| 18:50.29 | derobert_work | biopyte: 4.161794e-22 comes first |
| 18:50.36 | debiangrl | bzed, i already have my console set up for 1024x768 |
| 18:51.04 | biopyte | 1.286960e-04 here. i dont believe it. |
| 18:51.06 | bzed | Syntactic: i wanted to say: if you want to find a driver module on the installer cd, you'll have to learn how the installer works |
| 18:51.11 | derobert_work | biopyte: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5890 |
| 18:51.12 | biopyte | sort -g |
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| 18:51.22 | bzed | Syntactic: but just give it a try, it should contain the module |
| 18:51.28 | derobert_work | biopyte: yes, sort -g |
| 18:51.42 | bzed | debiangrl: what's your entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst for that? |
| 18:51.49 | biopyte | correct. thats how it should look like. |
| 18:52.02 | biopyte | -22 first and so on |
| 18:52.04 | bzed | debiangrl: i guess somewhere #kopt=......vga=0x123 |
| 18:52.10 | debiangrl | vga=0x0317 |
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| 18:52.39 | bzed | debiangrl: replace that by vga=vesafb:0x0317 |
| 18:52.43 | biopyte | maybe i should reboot or knock the box |
| 18:52.53 | debiangrl | bzed, ok. is that what is locking up my screen? |
| 18:53.00 | bzed | debiangrl: then run update-grub and i'd say reboot. |
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| 18:53.07 | derobert_work | biopyte: Is your etch fully updated? Mine is... |
| 18:53.13 | bzed | debiangrl: the nvidia driver does not work if nvidiafb is running |
| 18:53.46 | bzed | debiangrl: blame nvidia for broken code |
| 18:53.48 | debiangrl | bzed, ok i'll reboot |
| 18:54.12 | biopyte | almost. except for openoffice stuff only this isnt updated: libavcodec0d libnspr4-0d libnss3-0d libpostproc0d |
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| 18:54.29 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok, so we should have pretty much the same versions of everything |
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| 18:55.04 | biopyte | and we tried the most primitive example possible |
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| 18:55.49 | biopyte | i'm afraid this is something very stupid ... |
| 18:55.50 | derobert_work | biopyte: I have libc6-i686 installed... do you? That's about the only thing I can think of that might be different |
| 18:56.07 | derobert_work | biopyte: it's gotta be REALLY stupid, or we would have figured it out by now. |
| 18:56.23 | derobert_work | biopyte: have you done that wget + sort I just did? |
| 18:56.44 | derobert_work | biopyte: the md5sum of the file I grabbed is 1b6725bc36da911eabc52c0076665031 ... make sure we've got an identical file |
| 18:57.01 | biopyte | that libc isnt installed here |
| 18:57.10 | biopyte | i install it. ok? |
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| 18:57.29 | biopyte | no. didnt do the wget yet |
| 18:57.32 | derobert_work | biopyte: sure, go ahead... it'll make your machine perform better anyway |
| 18:57.50 | debiangrl | bzed, ok i said invalid parse. i just removed the fb and rebooted |
| 18:57.52 | biopyte | i have a piii here |
| 18:58.04 | derobert_work | biopyte: that one is for pii and higher |
| 18:58.09 | biopyte | i see |
| 18:58.13 | derobert_work | biopyte: piv here |
| 18:58.31 | bzed | debiangrl: to what did you change it? |
| 18:58.36 | derobert_work | biopyte: try that wget thing, though |
| 18:58.45 | mike1o | I need this package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/ia32-libs-gtk what should I add to my sources.list? |
| 18:59.05 | debiangrl | bzed, i just took out the vga=***** completly |
| 18:59.10 | asg | mike1o: what version of Debian are you running currently? |
| 18:59.14 | biopyte | lib installed. no need to reboot, right. i know this isnt windows, but in case of libs ... ;) |
| 18:59.24 | mike1o | asg, etch testing |
| 18:59.45 | debiangrl | bzed, the vga=vesafb:0x0317 didn't work |
| 18:59.50 | bzed | debiangrl: but what had you in there when it said invalid parse? |
| 18:59.55 | bzed | hmm |
| 18:59.57 | asg | mike1o: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:59.58 | biopyte | derobert_work: new lib makes no difference |
| 19:00.05 | derobert_work | biopyte: what about the wget? |
| 19:00.13 | biopyte | one moment |
| 19:00.25 | bzed | debiangrl: uhm... it should... seems I've missed something. paste the output of hwinfo --framebuffer please |
| 19:00.28 | kingsley | Can the "diff" utility compare binary files? |
| 19:00.30 | jm|laptop | is there another way to get the madwifi modules without building from source? |
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| 19:01.04 | mike1o | asg, dpkg: need an action option |
| 19:01.07 | jm|laptop | wait .... are they in the kernel now?! |
| 19:01.09 | h3sp4wn | !madwifi |
| 19:01.09 | dpkg | [madwifi] for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 19:01.23 | asg | mike1o: our bot, dpkg. Type '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' in your IRC client. |
| 19:01.28 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: many thanks |
| 19:01.41 | mike1o | asg, oops |
| 19:01.46 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: If you are on etch - than you can just build it with module-assistant |
| 19:01.57 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: I am on etch and I did try m-a |
| 19:02.15 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: but I'm having problems with two Atheros based cards that started when I apt-get upgraded recently |
| 19:02.20 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: maybe you don't have non-free and contrib |
| 19:02.24 | debiangrl | #flood 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer |
| 19:02.25 | debiangrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.25 | debiangrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.25 | debiangrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.25 | debiangrl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.30 | jm|laptop | I had since use netinst to fully reinstall etch w/ 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 19:02.50 | debiangrl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.53 | bzed | debiangrl: stop |
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| 19:03.01 | bzed | AAAAARRRGH |
| 19:03.02 | debiangrl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.08 | GarethTheGreat | wow this is busy |
| 19:03.09 | derobert_work | debiangrl: damn, you don't get it do you.... |
| 19:03.16 | azeem | debiangrl: please fix this |
| 19:03.21 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: it builds the module and I can modprobe it; I can use iwconfig/ifconfig to set it up - the AP says that the MAC address of the card is associated but only like 3 packets travel |
| 19:03.24 | bzed | !tell debiangrl about pastebin |
| 19:03.36 | bzed | thanks azeem :) |
| 19:03.38 | GarethTheGreat | got a challenge - no CD drive, no floppy, 2 harddisks (1 windows, 1 OpenBSD) - how to get debian installed over the windows installation? |
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| 19:03.47 | derobert_work | GarethTheGreat: netboot? |
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| 19:03.58 | GarethTheGreat | derobert_work: how to setup? |
| 19:04.01 | debiangrl | why does it keep saying cannot send to channel? |
| 19:04.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 19:04.13 | GarethTheGreat | i have an OpenBSD machine on the same network |
| 19:04.18 | biopyte | derobert_work: i exactly carried out the commands from above (wget ... , sort ...). md5sum shows that files are identical. |
| 19:04.21 | azeem | debiangrl: because I quieted you to keep you from flooding the channel |
| 19:04.34 | GarethTheGreat | if there's a nice standard tftp image etc to use i can set that up |
| 19:04.35 | derobert_work | GarethTheGreat: well, the first question is does the network card support netboot... |
| 19:04.39 | GarethTheGreat | yes |
| 19:04.52 | derobert_work | GarethTheGreat: if it does, there are netboot images available, and howto's on the web |
| 19:05.00 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: and you have observed that with tcpdump or whatever ? |
| 19:05.06 | GarethTheGreat | so i just need to RTFM then? |
| 19:05.08 | derobert_work | GarethTheGreat: other approach is to see if you can run debootstrap from openbsd |
| 19:05.17 | GarethTheGreat | is it just one image or do i need a filesystem root somewhere? |
| 19:05.20 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: please hold |
| 19:05.24 | GarethTheGreat | debootstrap from BSD would be ideal |
| 19:05.29 | biopyte | derobert_work: sort *is* sorting. but by prefixes. |
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| 19:05.44 | derobert_work | biopyte: wow. Your sort command is officially FUBA |
| 19:05.46 | derobert_work | FUBAR |
| 19:05.55 | biopyte | whats that? |
| 19:06.09 | derobert_work | biopyte: f--- up beyond all recognition |
| 19:06.16 | debiangrl | bzed, now that the framebuffer is not turned on, do i run the x cfg again? |
| 19:06.17 | h3sp4wn | GarethTheGreat: It shouldn't be impossible to do at least the first part of debootstrap from bsd |
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| 19:06.25 | biopyte | i see. :) |
| 19:06.30 | GarethTheGreat | what is the first part? |
| 19:06.34 | derobert_work | biopyte: you could try apt-get install --reinstall coreutils |
| 19:06.34 | bzed | debiangrl: first: do NOT paste into the channel. that's what a pastebin is for |
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| 19:06.59 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 19:06.59 | GarethTheGreat | derobert_work: ? |
| 19:07.00 | biopyte | i guess it could be something wrong with environmet variables. |
| 19:07.00 | bronaugh_ | is the author of the R package in debian present? |
| 19:07.02 | jm|laptop | bizarre |
| 19:07.03 | derobert_work | biopyte: wait. do a which sort. We are using the sort command from coreutils, not something from home or /usr/local right? |
| 19:07.04 | biopyte | whatever |
| 19:07.07 | bzed | try video=vesafb:0x0317 instead of the vga=... stuff please |
| 19:07.08 | jm|laptop | 20:07:32.100767 IP dns.jamiem.home.bootps > laptop.jamiem.home.bootpc: BOOTP/DHCP, Reply, length 300 |
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| 19:07.15 | bronaugh_ | because I'm trying to install a package in R, and it's failing miserably. |
| 19:07.21 | jm|laptop | I need to ifdown eth0 |
| 19:07.24 | jm|laptop | incase it's interfering |
| 19:07.39 | derobert_work | GarethTheGreat: to try deboostrap, grab it from a debian mirror |
| 19:07.43 | bzed | bronaugh_: I doubt that the person is here. but if you paste the problem into a pastebin, I guess somebody will be able to help you |
| 19:07.55 | debiangrl | bzed, i tried that before when i was trying to get it to work and that displayed the same error |
| 19:08.07 | bzed | GarethTheGreat: there's cdebootstrap which should compile well under bsd |
| 19:08.07 | biopyte | /usr/bin/sort |
| 19:08.18 | bzed | debiangrl: which kernel are you using? |
| 19:08.35 | jm|laptop | WTF |
| 19:08.37 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok. You could try: env - sort -g ... |
| 19:08.42 | jm|laptop | it's 'suddenly' working |
| 19:08.44 | pepsiaddict | what program should be used to edit conf files in Debian? VI is a pain in my ass. |
| 19:08.44 | derobert_work | biopyte: that'll clear the environment |
| 19:08.52 | biopyte | ok |
| 19:08.53 | jm|laptop | after 60 hours of being a pain |
| 19:08.57 | debiangrl | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:09.00 | bronaugh_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5888 |
| 19:09.04 | bronaugh_ | bzed: there's the problem. |
| 19:09.10 | bzed | pepsiaddict: I'd suggest: learn vi. it just rocks if ou know how to use it. you could try nano instead, though |
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| 19:09.29 | bronaugh_ | vi's great for config files. |
| 19:09.40 | biopyte | derobert_work: literally "env - sort -g" ? |
| 19:09.42 | derobert_work | biopyte: oh, and also md5sum /usr/bin/sort gives f06693bda24aa27e4ef0a0e90fac6fa9 here |
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| 19:09.51 | derobert_work | biopyte: yes, literally env - sort -g |
| 19:09.55 | bzed | bronaugh_: and that was the result of something liek apt-get install somepackage ? |
| 19:09.56 | biopyte | ok |
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| 19:10.08 | derobert_work | biopyte: well, tack the file name on at the end |
| 19:10.13 | bronaugh_ | bzed: no, that was the result of install.packages("sp") from within Debian's GNU R installation. |
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| 19:11.01 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: do you know about dhcp? |
| 19:11.07 | astronaute | hi guys :) can someone tell me if there is a channel for Adobe Flex 2.0 somewhere on the freenode or maybe other irc server please ? |
| 19:11.17 | scoates | I'm getting scary kernel problem messages: http://pastebin.ca/417228 what would be causing these? |
| 19:11.18 | biopyte | derobert_work: believe it or not ... "env - sort -g myfile" works. haleluja. :-) |
| 19:11.20 | pepsiaddict | this line-by-line stuff kills me, they make mice for reasons ;) |
| 19:11.25 | derobert_work | biopyte: YEAH!!!!! |
| 19:11.29 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: before it was just trying and trying DHCPREQUEST - now it is trying DHCPDISCOVER too and then it gets an IP |
| 19:11.29 | biopyte | hahaha |
| 19:11.29 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: what about it ? |
| 19:11.35 | Gnea | astronaute: tried #adobe ? |
| 19:11.46 | XaOS | i've lost madwifi after last kernel upgrade |
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| 19:11.51 | astronaute | Gnea empty =) |
| 19:11.52 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: If there was already eth0 up then it wouldn't work |
| 19:11.56 | biopyte | sherlock holmes alias derobert_work |
| 19:11.56 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok, now you get to look at the output of 'env' and start unsetting your environment a few lines at a time to find the culprit. |
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| 19:12.07 | debiangrl | bzed, 2.6.18-4-685 |
| 19:12.07 | Gnea | astronaute: if it's not open source, then probably not :) |
| 19:12.08 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: there hadn't been previously - nm I'll struggle with this - thanks for help |
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| 19:12.27 | jm|laptop | XaOS: me too - but it appears to be Just Working again now and I'm not sure what I did - short of install and run tcpdump for a few seconds :S |
| 19:12.34 | astronaute | Gnea there is a plugin for eclipse, but its not opensource |
| 19:12.38 | debiangrl | bzed, 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 19:12.44 | Gnea | ugh |
| 19:12.47 | XaOS | strange |
| 19:12.56 | bzed | bronaugh_: i guess you want to report a bug against the r or ask the sp author. I have no clue about that, sorry |
| 19:13.05 | bzed | debiangrl: hmm. that should work then. O_o |
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| 19:13.10 | bronaugh_ | bzed: yeah, it's really too bad that this has to be broken today. |
| 19:13.13 | _Freedom0_ | Hi |
| 19:13.15 | jm|laptop | oh piss |
| 19:13.17 | derobert_work | biopyte: I've gotta hear which line in the environment broke sort.... |
| 19:13.24 | jm|laptop | now it's working but with massive packet loss |
| 19:13.24 | bronaugh_ | when I need it. I don't have time to fuck around with bug reports and people doubting the veracity of my claims et.c |
| 19:13.26 | bzed | debiangrl: if you lean the vga=...s tuff away completely, does reconfiguring xserver-xorg work ? |
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| 19:13.41 | bronaugh_ | if I could duct tape the author of sp to a chair right now and MAKE THEM FIX IT I would. |
| 19:13.50 | jm|laptop | 35 packets transmitted, 1 received, +3 errors, 97% packet loss, time 34026ms |
| 19:13.50 | jm|laptop | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 4970.723/4970.723/4970.723/0.000 ms, pipe 5 |
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| 19:14.00 | debiangrl | bzed, do i have to install the nvidia stuff again to do that? |
| 19:14.11 | jm|laptop | 64 bytes from 4.2.2.2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=248 time=34585 ms |
| 19:14.16 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:14.17 | XaOS | i tried to reinstall it, but modprobe ath_pci cant find the module |
| 19:14.19 | HardDisk_WP | i have a problem |
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| 19:14.19 | jm|laptop | Christ on a Bike |
| 19:14.29 | HardDisk_WP | why cant i create tcp sockets under 1024 as non root? |
| 19:14.32 | jm|laptop | now "No buffer space available" |
| 19:14.47 | biopyte | derobert_work: i pasted the output from 'env' into http://channels.debian.net/paste/5891 |
| 19:14.53 | jm|laptop | netstat -i doesn't show any errors |
| 19:14.57 | XaOS | fglrx doesnt work either |
| 19:14.58 | bzed | debiangrl: no jsut run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:15.10 | biopyte | no idea what broke 'sort -g' |
| 19:15.17 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: because that's forbidden for a good reason |
| 19:15.33 | jm|laptop | XaOS: oh wait. Did you update the kernel and not rebuild the modules?! |
| 19:15.47 | bronaugh_ | ok, tihsi s useless. |
| 19:15.47 | XaOS | yeah |
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| 19:15.50 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_and_UDP_port |
| 19:16.04 | derobert_work | biopyte: wow... not much in there... I'd try for unsetting LANG first (though I'd have expected LC_ALL we tried before to override that) |
| 19:16.08 | jm|laptop | XaOS: madwifi and fglrx etc. are built against the kernel headers for a specific kernel |
| 19:16.17 | jm|laptop | it is not surprising that YOURS have stopped working |
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| 19:16.25 | XaOS | so |
| 19:16.26 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, can I override that? i do not want to run azureus as root... |
| 19:16.28 | jm|laptop | XaOS: you should just need to rebuild them (m-a or something) |
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| 19:16.53 | HardDisk_WP | same as my webcamd |
| 19:17.05 | biopyte | whats the difference between "env - sort -g" and "sort -g"? |
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| 19:17.26 | biopyte | "sort -g" still doesnt work |
| 19:17.29 | GhostlyDeath | I got a problem |
| 19:17.31 | XaOS | the previous kernel i had the same 2.6.18-4-686, |
| 19:17.43 | derobert_work | biopyte: env - runs the program with an empty environment |
| 19:17.48 | GhostlyDeath | nm-applet or whatever connects to another persons metwork automatically which I do not want |
| 19:17.54 | biopyte | i see |
| 19:17.55 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to change the prefered networks list? |
| 19:18.04 | XaOS | what the point of upgrade? what did it do? |
| 19:18.05 | biopyte | tabula rasa |
| 19:18.22 | derobert_work | biopyte: so, all I can think of doing is to unset LANG; sort -g |
| 19:18.31 | biopyte | ok |
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| 19:18.55 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: since when do you need to use a lowport for azureus? |
| 19:19.20 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: and no, you can;t override that. |
| 19:19.37 | biopyte | derobert_work: "unset LANG; sort -g" works perfect. the candidate wins 1000 points. ;) |
| 19:19.43 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, because my dad doesnt want to NAT me more ports... |
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| 19:20.00 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok. It sounds like you now have a bug to report. sort -g doesn't work in German.... |
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| 19:20.18 | debiangrl | bzed, no, it still locked the pc up |
| 19:21.00 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: slap your dad then |
| 19:21.05 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 19:21.08 | biopyte | echo LC_ALL ... C |
| 19:21.12 | bzed | debiangrl: are you sure you're not using any framebuffer? |
| 19:21.13 | HardDisk_WP | he's a cop |
| 19:21.16 | biopyte | echo $LC_ALL ... C |
| 19:21.44 | derobert_work | biopyte: if you do LC_ALL=C sort -g then it sets the LC_ALL environment variable just for running sort |
| 19:21.56 | derobert_work | assumably LANG=C LC_ALL=C sort -g would work, too |
| 19:21.58 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: well then tell him about security in tcp and udp... adn that you can't use those low ports becaue it would be easy that somebody could break in and take over your computer |
| 19:22.18 | jm|laptop | iwlist scanning shows "No scan results" |
| 19:22.31 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, hehe if he finds out I do filesharing he go mad.. |
| 19:22.44 | HardDisk_WP | and damned, he is in the IT security team of munich police |
| 19:22.56 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: are you using arcor? |
| 19:23.00 | biopyte | uhh ... that was my mistake. i did it as separate commands. youre right. as a single line (as you wrote) it works. |
| 19:23.05 | biopyte | sorry for that. |
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| 19:23.12 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, eh...yes, from where do you know?! |
| 19:23.15 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok, that makes sense |
| 19:23.28 | derobert_work | well, you now have a solution for your script or whatever: LC_ALL=C sort -g |
| 19:23.34 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: I guessed :P |
| 19:23.41 | HardDisk_WP | LOL |
| 19:23.42 | GhostlyDeath | Any suggestions? |
| 19:23.44 | derobert_work | biopyte: wait, did you re-set LANG before trying that? |
| 19:23.45 | debiangrl | bzed, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 19:23.56 | biopyte | no |
| 19:24.01 | bzed | debiangrl: does you console look like a framebuffer? |
| 19:24.07 | biopyte | should i? |
| 19:24.12 | derobert_work | biopyte: open a new terminal, that should put the environment back |
| 19:24.17 | biopyte | ok |
| 19:24.20 | derobert_work | biopyte: then try LC_ALL=C sort -g |
| 19:24.37 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: well... I have no clue how fast those fools are these days, but I'm not sure if they manage to get the IP's owner within 7 days. it could be, though |
| 19:24.40 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:24.55 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, i do filesharing only for p0rn |
| 19:24.59 | debiangrl | bzed, no |
| 19:25.21 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, and music industry is not really after harmless p0rn consumers *eg* |
| 19:25.22 | Mazingaro | please I need help with a geforce2 and nvidia drivers: loading kernel module produce no such device error... |
| 19:25.30 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: right |
| 19:25.37 | shogunx | HardDisk_WP, do you have any other machines elsewhere? that you could tunnel to? |
| 19:25.54 | bzed | debiangrl: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin please |
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| 19:26.15 | mehul | How do I prevent aptitude from removing unused programs ? Or changing the criteria for it ? |
| 19:26.34 | HardDisk_WP | shogunx, Yes, one server, but that belongs to my clan |
| 19:27.18 | biopyte | derobert_work: opened new terminal, checked LANG (de_DE@euro). "LC_ALL=C sort -g" works as it should. |
| 19:27.24 | derobert_work | mehul: it's one of the options... |
| 19:27.43 | derobert_work | biopyte: ok, then you have a way to do it in your scripts now. But make sure to file that bug (if it isn't already filed, of course) |
| 19:27.46 | shogunx | HardDisk_WP, and i take it they would be none too pleased |
| 19:28.12 | HardDisk_WP | nope as the performance is fucked up already |
| 19:28.24 | HardDisk_WP | me doing filesharing over it would overload it |
| 19:28.26 | biopyte | derobert_work: thanks a lot for your precious time. |
| 19:28.32 | mehul | derobert_work: I just went through the man page, but couldn't tell which one it was. pluse the fact that all the options are surrounded by \fB made it harder to read so I could have missed the option. |
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| 19:28.54 | shogunx | HardDisk_WP, no neighbors with wifi? :) |
| 19:28.58 | derobert_work | mehul: options -> dependency handling |
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| 19:29.00 | biopyte | derobert_work: should i really file it? where? dont have a login. |
| 19:29.02 | HardDisk_WP | nope, all WPA2+ |
| 19:29.12 | HardDisk_WP | and I have only a WEP capable WLAN card |
| 19:29.18 | biopyte | derobert_work: dont you want to file it? |
| 19:29.20 | shogunx | HardDisk_WP, how does you dad feel about ipv6? |
| 19:29.21 | derobert_work | biopyte: run reportbug coreutils |
| 19:29.31 | shogunx | will he forward port 41 to you for a v6 tunnel? |
| 19:29.34 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: you could probably trick those programs into lowports by using iptables and NAT on your computer |
| 19:29.35 | HardDisk_WP | shogunx, i dunno, he's not here at the moment |
| 19:29.39 | biopyte | you found it :) |
| 19:30.16 | derobert_work | biopyte: you need to file it because you're able to test it... I'm not, since the problem doesn't happen to me |
| 19:31.05 | mehul | derobert_work: ahh you're talking from the "gui". I'm talking from the command line. |
| 19:31.16 | derobert_work | mehul: ah... |
| 19:31.49 | biopyte | derobert_work: 11) #139861: LC_CTYPE with UTF-8 doesn't work correctly |
| 19:31.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if external USB hard driver work well with GNU/Linux? |
| 19:32.00 | biopyte | maybe that is already the bug? |
| 19:32.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | drives* |
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| 19:32.12 | derobert_work | biopyte: you're not using UTF-8, AFAIK |
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| 19:32.28 | debiangrl | bzed, http://paste.lisp.org/display/38973 |
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| 19:32.40 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe they work great |
| 19:32.45 | Zuu` | hello |
| 19:32.45 | taigeR_ | hi |
| 19:32.48 | bronaugh_ | bzed: so joy of joys, I figured out the problem. |
| 19:32.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: I'm concidering buying http://psdata.no/ps.asp?it=130447&pdm=mainspec <-- Do you think it's any good? |
| 19:33.06 | biopyte | derobert_work: ok. than i report a bug. cool. never did that before. ;) |
| 19:33.07 | bronaugh_ | bzed: the r-cran-lattice package in Debian was fucked. fortunately there was a new version. |
| 19:33.18 | bzed | debiangrl: you didn;t change your card to nvidia while reconfiguring, didn;t you? |
| 19:33.25 | bronaugh_ | but why the FLYING FUCK did I have to resort to strace to figure out a problem that shouldn't have been there in the first place? |
| 19:33.29 | taigeR_ | good |
| 19:33.32 | Zuu` | interest |
| 19:33.33 | debiangrl | i could never reconfigure because it locks my computer up |
| 19:33.36 | derobert_work | biopyte: make sure to include details so hopefully coreutil's maintainer to reproduce it. e.g., include a test file |
| 19:33.40 | bzed | bronaugh_: bad things happen... that's life |
| 19:33.50 | bzed | !hug bronaugh_ |
| 19:33.54 | bronaugh_ | bzed: bad things happen more often with Debian. |
| 19:34.06 | bzed | bronaugh_: nah, I doubt that |
| 19:34.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Hey |
| 19:34.27 | bronaugh_ | for a given software package, debian's ver is way more likely to be borken. |
| 19:34.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: 2.6.20.4 seems to have fixed forcedeth |
| 19:34.31 | debiangrl | bzed, it was never able to complete the configure. it locks my computer up at monitor auto detection |
| 19:34.34 | biopyte | ok |
| 19:34.39 | bronaugh_ | let's see; my thunderbird likes to run off and eat 500M of RAM -- debian only bug. |
| 19:34.39 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: fine :) |
| 19:34.46 | bronaugh_ | R package was screwed up -- debian only bug. |
| 19:34.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: The error still existed in 2.6.20.1 which I was using |
| 19:34.56 | bronaugh_ | FF likes to crash -- on Debian. |
| 19:35.00 | derobert_work | mehul: May I suggest that you twiddle the option in the GUI and then surely .aptitude/config will show you the name of it? |
| 19:35.01 | bzed | debiangrl: even after disabling the framebuffer? |
| 19:35.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Now it works like a charm. :) |
| 19:35.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: ? |
| 19:35.15 | biopyte | derobert_work: just follow the reportbug menu? |
| 19:35.17 | debiangrl | bzed, yes |
| 19:35.18 | bzed | !forcedept |
| 19:35.22 | derobert_work | biopyte: yep |
| 19:35.24 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, waiting for the page to load. |
| 19:35.28 | bronaugh_ | anyhow, I'll -probably- get over being bitter -- in a while. |
| 19:35.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: Ok |
| 19:35.54 | bzed | debiangrl: do you ahve a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:35.55 | bzed | ? |
| 19:36.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: Maxtor Basics Personal Storage 3200 - harddisk - 320 GB - Hi-Speed USB |
| 19:36.14 | Bracki | is there any commandline stream ripper that works w/o an audio card? |
| 19:36.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | From the site |
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| 19:36.40 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, i would not buy maxtor... i use mostly seagate, and have had no problems with them. |
| 19:36.48 | debiangrl | bzed, http://paste.lisp.org/display/38974 |
| 19:36.49 | mehul | derobert_work: yeah that worked. thanks. |
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| 19:36.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: So Maxtor aren't good? |
| 19:37.19 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, not by my estimation. your milage may vary. |
| 19:37.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | So far, I've mostly used Samsung (internal) hard drives... not too impressed with them. |
| 19:37.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: What about this one? http://www.lidl.no/no/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20070404.p.Ekstern_HD |
| 19:38.22 | biopyte | derobert_work: i also tried 'reportbug sort'. that killed my firefox session by the way. if this continues i have a lot of bugs to report. :))) |
| 19:38.43 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, well, there is no mention of the actual hd manufacturer on it. |
| 19:38.47 | bzed | debiangrl: comment out those lines please: HorizSync 28-50 |
| 19:38.48 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.51 | derobert_work | biopyte: weird it killed firefox..... |
| 19:38.52 | biopyte | now going on with 'reportbug coreutils' |
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| 19:39.03 | bzed | debiangrl: if it doesn;t work then... i have no clue. |
| 19:39.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: I'll look it up on the manufacturer's site, if there is one. Hold on. |
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| 19:39.21 | biopyte | firefox only. nothing else. |
| 19:39.29 | bzed | biopyte: you could try reportbug-ng and check for bugs in that while writing a new bug report :P |
| 19:39.31 | biopyte | anyway ... who cares? |
| 19:39.48 | bzed | biopyte: the coreutils maintainer is a pretty good one btw |
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| 19:40.20 | biopyte | wait a minute. all i wanted to do this evening is to sort these files, remember? ;-) |
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| 19:41.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: http://www.targa.co.uk/index.jsp?SID=0&NAV=236&DOC=&PAGE=1960&PCAT=2&PROD=363&PTUBE=2&PARAMS=undefined&PARAMS2=undefined&SPCAREA=undefined <--- It doesn't say. :/ |
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| 19:42.04 | scoates | I'm getting scary kernel problem messages: http://pastebin.ca/417228 what would be causing these? |
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| 19:43.05 | biopyte | derobert_work: there are 520 (!) normal bugs. |
| 19:43.08 | frankr | Hello, I'm making a bash script to automatically run a game through wine in another X display - how do I run X without it stopping the script file until its closed |
| 19:43.11 | biopyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.17 | frankr | with windows bats you could use start whatever |
| 19:43.32 | derobert_work | biopyte: yep, coreutils is a rather popular package, so it gets a lot of bug reports |
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| 19:44.12 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, something like this: |
| 19:44.16 | shogunx | http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?prodBlockOID=1611567826&cm_ven=Froogle&cm_cat=Tech&cm_pla=CDRW_DVDRW_Drive&cm_ite=CDRW_DVDRW_Drive&BV_SessionID=@@@@0729576309.1175283835@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccceaddkifghfddcefeceeldfgndfoh.0 |
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| 19:45.12 | Roey | GhostlyDeath: HAH, hell of a nick |
| 19:45.23 | Roey | oh, stupid pun, just noticed, sorry! |
| 19:45.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: Anything slightly cheaper? |
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| 19:45.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: I'm on a budget |
| 19:46.42 | GhostlyDeath | How do I change GNOME's order of preferred networks because I want it to connect to my Wireless Router, not anyone elses |
| 19:47.12 | cahoot | GhostlyDeath: using network-manager? |
| 19:47.51 | GhostlyDeath | goes in with nm-applet |
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| 19:48.55 | biopyte | derobert_work: you think "sort -g does not work correctly with LANG=de_DE@euro" is ok? |
| 19:49.04 | derobert_work | biopyte: sure |
| 19:49.27 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, ask froogle... it knows;) |
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| 19:50.21 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 19:50.24 | GhostlyDeath | I don;t have a hostname |
| 19:50.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: I don't use anything that has *oogle in it, Google doesn't give two shits about privacy |
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| 19:51.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: http://www.amentio.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:848671;c:36116;r:pg <--- Any good? |
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| 19:51.37 | shogunx | Dark_Apostrophe, thats funny... one of my friends is a VP of google, and he respects my privacy pretty well. |
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| 19:52.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I also know a guy at Google |
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| 19:52.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it's not him I distrust - It's his employer. :) |
| 19:52.38 | derobert_work | Dark_Apostrophe: well, you can try pricewatch.com but I doubt they respect privacy any more. Or you could go find an anonimizing web proxy. |
| 19:52.55 | isleshocky777 | Anyone have any help, how-to's, or tutorials on how I would update my svn client in debian to 1.4. I'm using the apt-package manager version which I guess is still at 1.1.4 |
| 19:53.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | derobert_work: I use a Norwegian site for price comparisons. |
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| 19:53.22 | pepsiaddict | does Debian have MYSQL installed by default or just Postgresql |
| 19:53.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Norway has somewhat better privacy laws than the US and EU |
| 19:53.27 | shogunx | then look there for seagate usb 320gb, Dark_Apostrophe |
| 19:53.35 | derobert_work | Dark_Apostrophe: Certainly better than the US, I'm sure |
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| 19:54.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: It's too expensive |
| 19:54.05 | a1fa | somethick whicked has happened to apache2 package. I remove it. I then manually remove /etc/apache2 and try to reinstall it |
| 19:54.10 | a1fa | something* |
| 19:54.14 | shogunx | that drive should do well |
| 19:54.17 | a1fa | and it does not reinstall properly |
| 19:54.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: But this one is good though, right? http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.php?productId=67572 |
| 19:54.54 | a1fa | what do i do if apt-get remove doesnt do a good job of removing packages? |
| 19:54.59 | shogunx | that should so also. |
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| 19:56.21 | a1fa | i purged everything |
| 19:56.24 | a1fa | and still same shit happens |
| 19:56.29 | isleshocky777 | ok.. I guess a slightly different question. I see debian has 1.4 for testing version of apt. Can I switch to apt sources to testing to upgrade just svn and if so how? |
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| 19:56.50 | derobert_work | a1fa: ummm, apt-get remove doesn't purge everything on purpose. It leaves configuration files behind |
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| 19:56.56 | GhostlyDeath | ... Why does the LCD light dim when I plug the laptop in? |
| 19:57.05 | bzed | isleshocky777: not for a single package |
| 19:57.16 | a1fa | derobert_work : i used --purge |
| 19:57.19 | bzed | isleshocky777: you could eitehr use backports, or jsut upgrade to etch |
| 19:57.25 | isleshocky777 | What's the best way to upgrade from svn 1.1 to 1.4 on a debian system? |
| 19:57.26 | bzed | !tell isleshocky777 about bpo |
| 19:57.30 | bzed | !tell isleshocky777 about sarge->etch |
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| 19:57.44 | derobert_work | a1fa: then it should get rid of everything... are you sure you got rid of all the apache packages? |
| 19:57.59 | rpc | Setup is unable to find the "killall" program on your machine. <--err how do i get one on etch? |
| 19:58.03 | a1fa | i did |
| 19:58.24 | derobert_work | a1fa: which files did it leave behind? |
| 19:58.36 | biopyte | derobert_work: cant mail the report. "exim: bad -f address "snoopy@": domain missing or malformed" |
| 19:58.48 | biopyte | this is a private machine at home here. |
| 19:58.58 | a1fa | ok it worked this time |
| 19:58.59 | a1fa | thanks |
| 19:59.02 | a1fa | --purge did it |
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| 19:59.10 | derobert_work | biopyte: umm... it should leave a copy in /tmp ... just mail it to submit@bugs.debian.org using your normal email program |
| 19:59.19 | biopyte | ok |
| 19:59.37 | rpc | does anyone know where to grab killall command? |
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| 19:59.45 | rpc | not sure why it's missing on etch.. |
| 20:00.06 | derobert_work | rpc: it's part of psmisc |
| 20:00.18 | rpc | derobert_work thank you very much |
| 20:00.38 | derobert_work | rpc: http://packages.debian.org can answer questions like that in the future, btw |
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| 20:01.25 | myren | how do i set the priority level for questions in apt-get & aptitude? |
| 20:01.54 | myren | its currently too high -- my apps dont ask me any questions in dpkg's configure stage |
| 20:01.54 | sparrw | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:01.55 | sparrw | i think? |
| 20:02.01 | derobert_work | sparrw: yes, that's correct |
| 20:02.04 | myren | lol |
| 20:02.05 | rpc | derobert_work i always forget about that.. thanks again |
| 20:02.15 | myren | hopefully thats a high priority question. ;) |
| 20:02.26 | sparrw | its an "unskippable" priority question |
| 20:02.27 | isleshocky777 | bzed: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions When it says "package" in my case would I just put svn or does it mean something different? |
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| 20:03.54 | bzed | isleshocky777: at least subversion, if you need the apache module then add that one, too |
| 20:04.12 | isleshocky777 | bzed: ok, cool. I think I got it. |
| 20:04.18 | bzed | isleshocky777: and yes, you'd put your packagenames instead of "package" |
| 20:04.32 | isleshocky777 | sweet. Version 1.4.2 |
| 20:04.39 | isleshocky777 | bzed: thanks a lot for the help. |
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| 20:07.40 | biopyte | derobert_work: mailed the bug. thats it. once more, thank you. bye. |
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| 20:08.21 | derobert_work | goodbye... gtg |
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| 20:08.43 | PIFPAF|w0jtas | hi, how can i protect my server before overload ? |
| 20:09.10 | StyXman | PIFPAF|w0jtas: what do you mean with "overload"? |
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| 20:09.35 | mike1o | how do I add an unstable package to my "testing" version? |
| 20:09.52 | c00lfon | !telnn mike1o about backports |
| 20:09.54 | c00lfon | ;P |
| 20:09.55 | c00lfon | tfu |
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| 20:10.00 | c00lfon | !tell mike1o about backports |
| 20:10.28 | c00lfon | Ach, stable only. Hm. |
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| 20:11.04 | StyXman | mike1o: search for "package pinning" in debian's site. |
| 20:11.34 | mike1o | StyXman, cant I just add an source to my sources.list^ |
| 20:11.35 | mike1o | ? |
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| 20:12.08 | StyXman | mike1o: no, you'll eventually end up in sid |
| 20:12.15 | StyXman | you gotta pin them |
| 20:12.18 | PIFPAF|w0jtas | StyXman: i have game server on my machine, but sometimes, server takes 100% of ram and 100% of swap |
| 20:12.23 | PIFPAF|w0jtas | then i can't do anything on serwer |
| 20:12.48 | StyXman | PIFPAF|w0jtas: you can set limits per user with ulimit |
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| 20:13.24 | StyXman | or you can do a little script to check some programs' ram usage and do-somehting (like kill them) |
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| 20:13.35 | StyXman | or you can buy more ram/add more swap |
| 20:14.14 | maddash | 'unixslut'? |
| 20:15.40 | azeem | maddash: huh, do you want to get kickbanned? |
| 20:15.54 | maddash | azeem: can you read? |
| 20:16.03 | maddash | 16:13:30 -- unixslut (n=rip@87.112.69.45.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) has joined #debian |
| 20:16.03 | azeem | you wrote "unixslut" |
| 20:16.22 | azeem | maddash: then fill your quotes with context |
| 20:16.30 | azeem | not everybody has joins/parts on display |
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| 20:16.58 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 20:16.59 | maddash | azeem: if you realize your own flaw, then don't jump to conclusions |
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| 20:17.26 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get more cursors? |
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| 20:17.43 | azeem | GhostlyDeath: why do you need more than one? |
| 20:17.44 | unixslut | ?? |
| 20:17.54 | GhostlyDeath | I don't like GNOME's default |
| 20:18.02 | GhostlyDeath | There a black cursor theme? |
| 20:18.31 | StyXman | GhostlyDeath: www.kde-look.org should have some |
| 20:18.44 | azeem | StyXman: he's talking about Gnome |
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| 20:19.03 | StyXman | azeem: cursors are desktop independient |
| 20:19.12 | azeem | hrm, right |
| 20:20.11 | sohmestra | CrazyGir: linux emulation is possible. |
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| 20:22.23 | cha0tic | i installed netinst of latest stable. my problem is it didn't install a C compiler. which one should i install |
| 20:22.42 | azeem | cha0tic: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:22.46 | sohmestra | is it possible to "find" non existant files? ie: find /foo/bar \! -type d -iname '*blah*' |
| 20:23.00 | azeem | sohmestra: apt-file |
| 20:23.32 | StyXman | sohmestra: you mean, to specify the files to find by example of what you don't want to find? |
| 20:23.36 | cha0tic | azeem: thanks :) |
| 20:23.37 | bzed | sohmestra: if you're missing file which are not in the debian distrib even apt-file won't help you ;) |
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| 20:23.49 | sohmestra | StyXman: yeah ;o) |
| 20:24.14 | sohmestra | bzed: I'm not looking for packaged files. |
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| 20:24.48 | bzed | sohmestra: care to explain what you're really looking for then? no existant files are a bit... confusing for me |
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| 20:25.20 | StyXman | sohmestra: I think prune should help |
| 20:25.25 | num00 | hello, i'm trying to use a lcd with my debian box, but i'm missing the device? do i need a kernel module? |
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| 20:25.57 | StyXman | num00: lcd as in lcd monitor? |
| 20:26.13 | num00 | yes a small display which i connected to theparallel port |
| 20:26.26 | StyXman | sohmestra: also, there's the -not operator |
| 20:26.32 | num00 | but the parallel port device parport0 does not exist |
| 20:26.54 | StyXman | num00: modprobe parport-pc |
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| 20:27.04 | ecm | hello, people. I'm going to install debian for the first time in a few minutes and I was wondering what would be the steps to configure an pppoe connections? pppoeconfig should already be waiting for me..? |
| 20:27.28 | num00 | StyXman: but this didn't create the device |
| 20:27.53 | scruffy | I'm unable to forward ports on my router to an internal machine, but I'd like to be able to ssh to my laptop from my desktop on another network. Server A, which both machines have access to could serve as the forwarding machine. latoptop B can ssh to A. Desktop C can ssh to A. Nothing can SYN to laptop B. I can't find the right syntax to forward ssh from Desktop C to server A to laptop B. Help? |
| 20:27.56 | sohmestra | StyXman: It's more like this: I'd like to find all directories which contain no children with a given name. |
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| 20:28.08 | sohmestra | I may just not be able to do it with find alone. |
| 20:28.14 | StyXman | sohmestra: rather difficult |
| 20:28.18 | rellik_ | how do you reset your terminal if everything starts printing out weird? |
| 20:28.21 | rellik_ | cls |
| 20:28.28 | StyXman | rellik_: reset |
| 20:28.33 | ecm | no one? guess I'll find out... |
| 20:28.41 | ecm | hopefully |
| 20:28.51 | num00 | StyXman: shouldn't this create the device itself when the module is loaded? |
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| 20:28.54 | maddash | scruffy: can A ssh into C? |
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| 20:29.15 | rellik_ | StyXman, that didn't do it.. everything seems to be in a different font.. instead of letters it's just a bunch of weird symbols |
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| 20:29.21 | StyXman | ecm: I don't remember if the fist cdimage has pppoeconfig |
| 20:29.52 | scruffy | maddash: if I forward 22 to my desktop, but I'd like to set up the forwarding on server A so that desktop C can ssh to laptop B. |
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| 20:30.15 | StyXman | rellik_: are you sure you typing into bash? |
| 20:30.16 | ecm | i hope it does.. I guess I'll do a find / -name pppoe* or something like that.. |
| 20:30.28 | PIFPAF|w0jtas | how can i add something to autostart ?? |
| 20:30.39 | scruffy | maddash: the scenario would be that I want to ssh to my laptop at home from my desktop at work, but I can only ssh to a specific server from the work machine. |
| 20:30.49 | num00 | does anyone know if the device /dev/parport0 should automatically be created if the module parport-pc is loaded? |
| 20:30.58 | StyXman | num00: does dmesg say somthingabout detecting the parport? |
| 20:31.00 | rellik_ | StyXman, yeah.. but I just fixed it by going into vi then exiting it.. everything looks normal now |
| 20:31.07 | maddash | scruffy: sorry, wrong question -- can A ssh into B? because you could just execute and ssh inside an ssh |
| 20:31.10 | StyXman | num00: also try /dev/lp0 |
| 20:31.11 | num00 | StyXman: no, nothing |
| 20:31.16 | num00 | StyXman: i did |
| 20:31.22 | maddash | scruffy: you want C --> A --> B, raah? |
| 20:31.35 | StyXman | num00: the your parport could be disabled in the bios |
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| 20:31.42 | StyXman | tehn* |
| 20:31.42 | scruffy | maddash: right on your last question |
| 20:31.43 | num00 | mhhh |
| 20:31.45 | StyXman | 2dlinsdsdkiuwehcuiw |
| 20:32.09 | sohmestra | I think this gets me close to what I want: find /var/mail/hrcsb.org -maxdepth 2 -not -iname '.Junk' |xargs -i^^ dirname '^^' |sort |uniq |
| 20:32.18 | sohmestra | StyXman: thanks for the -not tip. |
| 20:32.22 | scruffy | maddash: B isn't accepting connections inbound, but can I set up the tunnel if I ssh to server A from the laptop B? |
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| 20:32.32 | maddash | StyXman: http://www.amazon.com/Mavis-Beacon-Teaches-Typing-Deluxe/dp/B000B6JARC |
| 20:32.48 | GhostlyDeath | How do I install it? |
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| 20:32.55 | StyXman | maddash: I don't have enough patience |
| 20:33.23 | StyXman | GhostlyDeath: good question |
| 20:33.42 | maddash | scruffy: if B isn't accepting inbound connections, how'd you expect to ssh into it? |
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| 20:33.59 | scruffy | maddash: ssh -R might work |
| 20:34.23 | EvilDin | hi, how could i chroot ssh users, that they couldn't list anything out of their home dir ? |
| 20:34.24 | scruffy | maddash: it's not accepting tcp packets with SYN set, only established,related packets. |
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| 20:35.06 | scruffy | maddash: check this out: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/ssh_tunnelling.html |
| 20:35.16 | scruffy | maddash: (the "reverse" part) |
| 20:36.08 | maddash | scruffy: interesting link. |
| 20:36.16 | scruffy | maddash: nevermind, I don't think it's possible. still need 22 open on the laptop. :( |
| 20:36.17 | dondelelcaro | EvilDin: you don't, because they have to be able to access things in /usr/bin et al. |
| 20:36.34 | dondelelcaro | EvilDin: things that you don't want them to access should have appropriate permissions to deny them access. |
| 20:37.05 | EvilDin | you say there is no way to made somwhow, that they can't access to anything out of home dir |
| 20:37.09 | EvilDin | at least not listing them |
| 20:37.21 | GhostlyDeath | figured it our |
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| 20:37.44 | bzed | what's to appropriate way to add sudoers automatically while installing a package? |
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| 20:38.14 | bzed | (from the view of somebody who's creating the package) |
| 20:38.30 | mfrisch | sudo aptitude install ? oh |
| 20:38.55 | sprink_ | are all packaged not marked auto removed during a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:38.59 | tomdick | i just installed a new etch box, installed kde selected kdm as the desktop manager, and purged gdm, the graphical login looks exactly like it did before i installed kdm. how do i get to the kdm i'm used to? |
| 20:39.04 | dondelelcaro | bzed: you should never do that |
| 20:39.06 | EvilDin | maybe this would be ok: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html what do you think? |
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| 20:39.10 | maddash | scruffy: you realize that you don't have to ssh into port 22, right? |
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| 20:39.35 | mfrisch | tomdick: dpkg-reconfigure gdm select kdm switched |
| 20:39.46 | mindframe_laptop | is it better to use xinerama or just change the xorg.conf for dual display setup? |
| 20:39.53 | scruffy | maddash: right, I could set it up on port 2222 or something, but the problem is that I have no way to forward inbound ports to the laptop on the internal network. |
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| 20:40.01 | bzed | dondelelcaro: I know :\ but I'm pacakging a network monitoring tool which runs under zope and needs to do several things as root. I think I'll just let debconf tell about the needed sudo stuff after installing |
| 20:40.29 | irule | please show me the mantra for compiling? |
| 20:40.31 | irule | thanks |
| 20:40.46 | bzed | irule: man gcc |
| 20:40.48 | mfrisch | bzed: uuhm zope. |
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| 20:40.51 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone besides me have a Gateway MX69xx Series laptop and got the LCD light adjusting working? |
| 20:40.51 | bzed | that's my mantra |
| 20:40.59 | irule | !dp mandra |
| 20:41.01 | scruffy | maddash: that's why I wondered if I could ssh to the server to set up a tunnel between server and laptop, then ssh to the server via special port to forward the connection to the laptop. Can't figure out how to do that. |
| 20:41.06 | wols_ | !tell irule about kp mantra |
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| 20:41.11 | bzed | irule: I guess you want to ask what you're really looking for |
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| 20:41.15 | GhostlyDeath | oh no! my display is corrupted |
| 20:41.18 | irule | great! thanks wols_ |
| 20:41.25 | mfrisch | bzed: whats the program? |
| 20:41.31 | bzed | mfrisch: zenoss |
| 20:41.33 | GhostlyDeath | good thing for Ctrl |
| 20:41.35 | GhostlyDeath | +Alt+F# |
| 20:41.56 | bzed | mfrisch: http://zenoss.com |
| 20:41.58 | num00 | unfortunately the parallel port device is not created if i load parport module, what could be wrong? |
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| 20:42.20 | dondelelcaro | bzed: well, ideally it wouldn't have to be run as root at all, but if it's absolutely necessary, then debconf prompting is the way to go. |
| 20:42.23 | bzed | num00: modprobe parport_pc ? |
| 20:42.38 | dondelelcaro | bzed: with a default to not adding the sudo stanza |
| 20:42.39 | num00 | bzed: i did, it is also during boot loaded, but still no device |
| 20:42.42 | mfrisch | bzed: cool. are they building more apps on zope these days? |
| 20:42.53 | sprink_ | (sorry, last time) are all packages installed manually, using dpkg -i, that are not marked auto removed during a dist-upgrade? (sarge->etch) |
| 20:43.02 | bzed | mfrisch: not sure, but I like zope zomehow, although it can be pain in the ass |
| 20:43.16 | GhostlyDeath | DVD-R Dye does not taste good! =/ |
| 20:43.50 | mfrisch | bzed: its overkill for alot ;-) |
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| 20:44.37 | mfrisch | bzed: but I'm sure it rocks for this because a lot is built in |
| 20:44.40 | bzed | dondelelcaro: the server itself doesn;t run as root, but it seems it needs to run several tools as root, I guess for scanning the network for doing snmp and things likt that. didn;t figure out what exactly yet |
| 20:45.01 | bzed | mfrisch: yeah, and if it works, zope is rock stable for me. except that they have some NASTY bugs in 2.9 |
| 20:45.03 | maddash | scruffy: why not just ssh into A from C, then ssh from B to A, and inside B-->A's ssh session, execute a reverse tunnel to C? |
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| 20:45.18 | maddash | scruffy: so, it'd look like B --> A <--> C |
| 20:45.59 | maddash | oh, shoot, i think i broke my school's solaris server |
| 20:46.03 | num00 | which names could the parallel port device have /dev/parport/0 and /dev/lp0 ?? are there otheres i need to look for? |
| 20:46.11 | scruffy | maddash: my head hurts |
| 20:46.14 | mfrisch | bzed: just today I got a email looking for someone with zope/plone experience. it will catch on in ten years |
| 20:46.31 | bzed | dondelelcaro: well. problem solved, they only ship 2 daemons which need to run as root. and those fools overwrite /etc/sudoers while installing their rpm... says the spec file. that'll be easy to solve |
| 20:46.40 | scottjad | I'm getting a bunch of â characters when using man under putty. Is this a bold character that's not being handled correctly by my terminal? |
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| 20:47.04 | bzed | mfrisch: if you do it, don;t use zope2.9 for plone (although I'm not sure if plone runs under 2.8, I need to test that) |
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| 20:47.21 | maddash | scruffy: hm, not even sure about this reverse tunnel thing --- it probably crashed my testing machine |
| 20:47.54 | scruffy | maddash: :) I just pushed my eyeball back in, it couldn't take the pressure |
| 20:48.21 | mfrisch | bzed: its too far away! but they offer remote. plone use to not work with 2.9 don't know anymore |
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| 20:48.49 | bzed | mfrisch: plone works with 2.9, but DateTime in 2.9 is fucked up, which means that you can;t use AtEvent in a serious manner |
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| 20:49.21 | maddash | scruffy: it works, i think -- i only tested within localhost and my LAN ip addr. |
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| 20:49.50 | kevinl-- | hey |
| 20:50.06 | kevinl-- | where do you specify additional directories to search for shared object files? |
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| 20:50.12 | kevinl-- | i thought it was ld.so.conf or somethin |
| 20:50.15 | azeem | kevinl--: /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:50.16 | maddash | scruffy: so, on your laptop, execute `ssh -R [server A port]:localhost:[laptop C port] user@serverA` |
| 20:50.28 | Vasistha | g'day all. I'm trying to get one computer to serve another computer downloaded packages. I used dpkg-scanpackages to create a Packages.gz file, but aptitude update is telling me: E: Malformed line 10 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist) |
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| 20:50.38 | kevinl-- | azeem: mine only says include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 20:50.44 | kevinl-- | do you know the syntax for just adding a dir ? |
| 20:50.57 | Vasistha | the "malformed line" is this: deb http://192.168.1.33/apt-archives/ ./ main contrib non-free |
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| 20:51.20 | maddash | scruffy: on your remote machine B, execute `ssh user@serverA "ssh -p [server A port] localhost"` |
| 20:51.28 | jindal | hey guys am using unstable for quite some time now .. though its fine but i want to switch to testing, removing the unstable deb lines and updating safe? |
| 20:51.40 | jindal | is* |
| 20:51.47 | azeem | kevinl--: echo "$DIR" >> /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:51.55 | scruffy | maddash: [server A port] is 22? |
| 20:51.56 | maddash | scruffy: that ought to work, as long as the laptop maintains its connection to server A |
| 20:52.19 | num00 | i can not find out why i do not have a parallel port device in the device directory |
| 20:52.20 | maddash | scruffy: [server A port] is any non-privileged port number |
| 20:52.38 | Vasistha | jindal: I don't know how well "downgrading" is supported. If a package has adopted a new config file format, for example, they will usually include a way to update your config file, but not a way to go back. so it's risky business. |
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| 20:52.45 | scruffy | maddash: gotcha.. that also means opening that port in server A firewall. lol |
| 20:52.53 | maddash | scruffy: no. |
| 20:53.04 | maddash | scruffy: read the page you linke to me |
| 20:53.07 | jindal | Vasistha, yeah that's am afraid off :( |
| 20:53.25 | sprink_ | I run debian on a P2 266 mhz.. and when running sarge, gkrellm used to always show my cpu usage at around 3% - 4% average when idle, and in etch it's at a 0% - 1% average when idle :) |
| 20:53.42 | scruffy | maddash: ahh whoops |
| 20:54.02 | wols_ | what is usually used to automount removable media (CDs,DVDs,USB sticks..) |
| 20:54.21 | Vasistha | jindal: fortunately, testing and unstable are both using the same version of libc6, so that's a good indication that perhaps not too many packages have drastically different versions. I've never done an operation like that; you may want to do it manually on a package-by-package basis :P |
| 20:54.22 | wols_ | sprink_: try cronky |
| 20:54.48 | sprink_ | wols_: conky? it wouldn't compile.. ahh but I guess it is in the etch tree :) |
| 20:54.48 | wols_ | !tell jindabl about bobbitt |
| 20:55.03 | wols_ | exactly :) |
| 20:55.08 | Vasistha | wols_: I think there's an automount package. KDE 3.5 has an automount daemon as well. |
| 20:55.23 | wols_ | sprink_: and look for vlc to watch video. my p2 300 with neomagic video runs it fine |
| 20:55.28 | wols_ | mplayer can't |
| 20:55.42 | wols_ | Vasistha: there is no kde on my box. 128MB RAM |
| 20:56.24 | sprink_ | wols_: yeah I've been using vlc.. but.. wols_: do you know of a codec to play wmv3 files? |
| 20:56.38 | sprink_ | wols_: with vlc, my wmv3 files only play sound, no video |
| 20:56.47 | Vasistha | wols_: and as I'm discovering there isn't a package called "automount" :-) did you do a package search for 'mount'? I'm seeing usbmount ... and I'm fairly certain there is such a package that will do CD's as well |
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| 20:58.04 | scruffy | maddash: almost.. when ssh is executed on A to port 2222 localhost, it gives me the MITM attack warning. |
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| 20:59.00 | wols_ | sprink_: what vlc version? |
| 20:59.01 | maddash | scruffy: weird. btw, it seems that you will have to open up port [server A] on server A, after all |
| 20:59.22 | wols_ | IIRC etch vlc might work with wmv |
| 20:59.37 | sprink_ | wols_: 0.8.6a |
| 20:59.53 | scruffy | maddash: nope, because I can ssh -p 2222 brian@localhost on server A and I'm able to login to laptop |
| 20:59.56 | sprink_ | wols_: when I say wmv3 I just mean version 3 of the wmv format |
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| 21:00.29 | maddash | scruffy: congrats. |
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| 21:00.56 | scruffy | maddash: might have to settle for working on laptop B from server A though. :) any case, you da man! |
| 21:01.05 | maddash | scruffy: i get this msg: "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 2222" |
| 21:01.30 | scruffy | maddash: on the solaris machine? |
| 21:01.36 | maddash | scruffy: yep. |
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| 21:02.15 | scruffy | maddash: I get: Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 21:02.17 | maddash | scruffy: probably an exception here. security is super tight, so they prohibit non-http listening ports. |
| 21:02.31 | hole_ | i want to install atheros drivers anyone here know the repository to them? |
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| 21:03.52 | mindframe_laptop | my second display is using 800x600(or something) when i've specified 1280x1024 in the xorg.conf. what's causing this? heres my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/417368 |
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| 21:05.01 | mindframe_laptop | im going to reboot, brb |
| 21:05.09 | mfrisch | mindframe_laptop: graphics card doesn't support it |
| 21:05.48 | scruffy | maddash: ok, when I ssh serverA "ssh -p 2222 brian@localhost", on the laptop's auth.log I see: Failed password for brian from 127.0.0.1, yet it never prompts me for a password. I'm assuming that's because of some terminal issue as suggested in the error "Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal." |
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| 21:06.50 | scruffy | maddash: -t switch. works great now. ;) |
| 21:06.52 | Vasistha | hum, well I solved my 'malformed line' problem, just needed to remove the sections. |
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| 21:07.31 | hole_ | i want to install atheros drivers anyone here know the repository to them? |
| 21:07.33 | Vasistha | Now, how do I tell aptitude to prioritize downloading packages from a particular source, when both sources have the same versions? |
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| 21:08.54 | mfrisch | hole_: there on the mirrors |
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| 21:09.01 | hole_ | debian installs xfree not xorg? |
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| 21:09.40 | Vasistha | hole_: sarge has xfree, yes. |
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| 21:09.46 | hole_ | k |
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| 21:10.15 | hole_ | i'm installing gnome and i noticed that it was installing xfree |
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| 21:10.47 | maddash | scruffy: thanks for the link. |
| 21:11.21 | mfrisch | mindframe_laptop: graphics card doesn't support it |
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| 21:12.18 | xand | suse-- |
| 21:12.21 | xand | debian++ |
| 21:12.44 | streuner_ | if that's the only reason you shouldn't run Debian |
| 21:12.52 | hole_ | no |
| 21:12.58 | mfrisch | get your stopwatch out! |
| 21:13.02 | Mr-R | windows boots even faster... :) |
| 21:13.10 | Vasistha | I like windows 98 because it boots faster than debian??? |
| 21:13.10 | Vasistha | ...no. |
| 21:13.32 | hole_ | i like it because it only installs what you need to run the os and theres FAR less malware for linux |
| 21:13.53 | Vasistha | yeah, let's hear it for only installing what you need :-) yay |
| 21:14.06 | hole_ | :) |
| 21:14.16 | hole_ | i love sarcasm |
| 21:14.36 | shogunx | i love trolls getting kicked |
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| 21:15.25 | mrfan | <Mr-R> windows boots even faster... :) <-- LOL |
| 21:16.16 | xand | hol |
| 21:16.18 | streuner_ | !malware |
| 21:16.18 | dpkg | from memory, malware is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware |
| 21:16.19 | xand | arse |
| 21:16.23 | xand | erm |
| 21:16.47 | streuner_ | hole_: there isn't any 'malware' in Debian ;-) |
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| 21:16.53 | shogunx | hole_ buy a matrox and you will not have that problem. |
| 21:17.01 | mrfan | hole_ now there is an open-console |
| 21:17.01 | hole_ | yet another reason to like it |
| 21:17.21 | hole_ | matrox? |
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| 21:17.37 | shogunx | you have not heard of matrox? |
| 21:17.44 | vlt|l | Hello. I compiled hplip 1.7.3 to support my HPLaserjet printer. When I run `/etc/init.d/hplip start` I get "[OK]" but syslog says "hpiod: unable to bind socket 2208: Cannot assign requested address". I tried to use this port 2208 manually with `netcat` and suceeded. What could be hplip's problem here? |
| 21:17.50 | hole_ | no |
| 21:18.09 | hole_ | only been linuxing for about 3 months |
| 21:18.22 | streuner_ | vlt|l: why not just using debian's packages of hplip? |
| 21:18.25 | Vasistha | so, I've now got my sources.list set up so packages will be downloaded from a machine on the local network, if available. How can I tell aptitude to prioritize downloading from the machine on the LAN, rather than from, e.g., security.debian.org ? |
| 21:18.45 | shogunx | hole_ matrox is a video card manufacturer. DRI support for most cards implicitly in the kernel. very good. |
| 21:18.49 | streuner_ | !listkeys hpinkjet |
| 21:18.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hpinkjet' by key (3): #debian hpinkjet install ;; _default hpinkjet install ;; hpinkjet install. |
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| 21:19.10 | streuner_ | !tell vlt|l about hpinkjet install |
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| 21:19.25 | streuner_ | !nickometer vlt|l |
| 21:19.26 | dpkg | 'vlt|l' is 14.000% lame, streuner_ |
| 21:19.38 | xand | !nickometer streuner_ |
| 21:19.39 | dpkg | 'streuner_' is 0.000% lame, xand |
| 21:19.40 | hole_ | so if i buy a matrox video card i wont have to fight it to run opengl games? |
| 21:19.43 | xand | damn |
| 21:20.09 | streuner_ | xand: you shouldn't play with the bot unless you unterstand it :-P |
| 21:20.10 | shogunx | hole_ correct. i recommend a G450, currently available for about $20-25 |
| 21:20.16 | jelly | Vasistha: first matched repository in sources.list is used, so put the local one up |
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| 21:20.22 | hole_ | opengl? |
| 21:20.24 | Vasistha | jelly: ahha! thanks! |
| 21:20.29 | hole_ | fucking a |
| 21:20.51 | shogunx | Hole_ matrox plays nice with us:) |
| 21:21.06 | streuner_ | xand: 'blootbot' has that feature, because the writer doesn't like 'wired' chars too ... |
| 21:21.17 | Acu | hi guys - I have a social question to an American - is anyone American here ? |
| 21:21.21 | hole_ | so just pop it in,install debian,install q3,play? |
| 21:21.25 | Vasistha | jelly: do I need to rerun 'update' after the change, or will it re-evaluate sources.list on the 'upgrade' command? |
| 21:21.29 | streuner_ | Acu: /j #debian-social |
| 21:21.49 | jelly | Vasistha: I _think_ you don't even need to update, but I'm not sure |
| 21:22.04 | shogunx | hole_ your system needs to be properly configured. specifically the kernel and x11 implementation, but yes. |
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| 21:22.13 | Acu | streuner_: I am the only one there |
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| 21:22.22 | streuner_ | well :-) |
| 21:22.33 | jelly | Vasistha: in any case it won't hurt, if you've just done it, nothing will be redownloaded |
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| 21:22.35 | Acu | streuner_: I can ask you ? |
| 21:22.52 | Acu | streuner_: can I ask you ? |
| 21:22.57 | streuner_ | Acu: hell no, iam german. |
| 21:23.02 | Vasistha | jelly: yeah. hmm. but it doesn't seem to be grabbing them from the LAN even after doing the 'update' :P |
| 21:23.13 | hole_ | what i meant is if i get a matrox card and put it in are there any distros that will autoconfigure that |
| 21:23.31 | vlt|l | streuner_: Erm, it's an --- duck --- ubuntu system running v0.9.7, so I needed to manually compile it from source. Compliing was successful, I just got problems starting it. Any idea? |
| 21:23.32 | hole_ | during installation |
| 21:23.41 | jelly | Vasistha: are yuo sure the local versions are the same as on security.d.o? apt-cache policy some-package |
| 21:23.57 | shogunx | hole_ not sure on that, but we can distribute all the parts and pieces as GPL sw, so there is no reason that can't happen. |
| 21:24.11 | streuner_ | vlt|l: /j #ubuntu |
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| 21:24.54 | xand | ewwwbuntu |
| 21:24.58 | shogunx | hole_ i have found, however, that "just works" often sucks. |
| 21:25.06 | Vasistha | jelly: it's showing '500' for my local copy, as well as for the remote (mirrors.usc.edu in this case) ... I guess |
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| 21:25.14 | Vasistha | s/I guess// |
| 21:25.42 | jelly | Vasistha: that's apt's priority, not the package version |
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| 21:26.00 | Vasistha | jelly: well, they're both under the same version in the version table |
| 21:26.12 | jelly | Vasistha: ok, then they are the same |
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| 21:26.59 | Vasistha | jelly: is there some way to tell it to prioritize packages from the one source, if the versions are equal? |
| 21:27.02 | schnittchen | i heard there's a "program" that can detect touched files during software compilation to guess dependencies? |
| 21:27.12 | PovAddict | are there BitTorrent or jigdo files for testing netinst? :) |
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| 21:27.26 | hole_ | how long have matrox cards been out |
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| 21:27.29 | jelly | Vasistha: man apt_preferences and setup a Releases file in your repo, I think |
| 21:27.54 | Vasistha | jelly: alright, I'll get on that. thanks |
| 21:28.22 | PovAddict | I searched for a netinstall torrent yesterday, then gave up and downloaded it via HTTP |
| 21:28.30 | PovAddict | but I think I got a corrupt download - md5 doesn't match |
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| 21:31.28 | Acu | can anyone which is the most popular social chat ? |
| 21:31.38 | Acu | I need an American advice |
| 21:33.00 | PovAddict | are there BitTorrent or jigdo files for testing netinst, or should I go hammer the mirrors again? |
| 21:33.01 | Vasistha | Acu: did you try #freenode-social ? You might have to wait a little while to get voice |
| 21:33.02 | karsten | xand: Less than "some advices". |
| 21:33.18 | Acu | xand: for example if you want to go to a civil wedding - what is the custom - what should you bring? etc |
| 21:33.33 | karsten | PovAddict: netinst essentially does jigdo for you. I believe there are torrent for the netinst itself. |
| 21:33.35 | xand | Acu: it's "some advice", not "an advice" |
| 21:33.52 | PovAddict | karsten: couldn't find any torrent either |
| 21:34.10 | karsten | PovAddict: Note that Jigdo merely uses the Debian mirror infrastructure to build up isos rather than relying on a small set of ISO servers. |
| 21:34.14 | Acu | xand: thanks |
| 21:34.43 | PovAddict | karsten: I know how jidgo works; even used it for my own big files :] |
| 21:34.45 | shogunx | hole_ matrox has been around for a LONG time. |
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| 21:35.05 | PovAddict | but the point is it has nice hash checking and I could download only corrupt files - BitTorrent even better for what I need right now |
| 21:35.06 | karsten | PovAddict: Looks like there isn't an official torrent. |
| 21:35.48 | karsten | PovAddict: However if you trust random stuff off the Net (or want to check sigs and md5s): http://en.torrentule.com/index.php?q=debian |
| 21:36.01 | Vasistha | Acu: many americans will "register" with a department store -- that is, the engaged couple will go find things they like, and make a list of gifts they would like, and the store will keep track of when people have purchased things for them. If they did not tell you they were registered, then they may not expect a gift from you. of course you can always buy them a gift if you want to. |
| 21:36.27 | PovAddict | well if it was linuxtracker.org I'd surely trust it - feel stupid for not checking there ^_^ |
| 21:36.30 | Vasistha | Acu: I should have /msg'd that, if you want more advice you can /msg me |
| 21:37.06 | karsten | xand: The other usage I hear that strikes me as peculiar is "a doubt" for "a question". Almost always folks from India. |
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| 21:37.36 | Maerz | grmll apt-get dist-upgrade downgrades my kernel |
| 21:37.37 | brea | This distro of linux is crap! |
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| 21:37.51 | karsten | Acu: Wedding planning wasn't particularly topical to Debian last I checked. |
| 21:37.52 | brea | Nothing works!!! |
| 21:37.58 | karsten | brea: *All* distros of linux are crap. |
| 21:38.05 | karsten | brea: Some are less crappy than others. |
| 21:38.12 | brea | sorry just frustrated |
| 21:38.14 | PovAddict | brea: did you even install it? |
| 21:38.30 | karsten | !tell brea about smart questions |
| 21:38.30 | Maerz | i got 2.6.20.4 and it want to downgrade to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 21:38.32 | xand | karsten: mmmkay |
| 21:38.40 | PovAddict | if you did, then the installer works, and your "*nothing* works" goes away |
| 21:38.57 | karsten | brea: If you've got a specific problem you'd like solved, ask. Otherwise keep it down. |
| 21:39.43 | brea | I'm gonna go smoke a bowl and come back a little more calm |
| 21:39.46 | xand | brea: debian is fucking excellent |
| 21:40.34 | Vasistha | ping |
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| 21:40.47 | xand | ping timeout |
| 21:41.03 | PovAddict | :P |
| 21:41.06 | mehul | I have a barebones Debian Etch system, on which I've installed X.Org server. I can't seem to login from XDM for some reason. Looking in .xsession-errors, it says permission denied on :0.0 ? |
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| 21:41.34 | karsten | mehul: You're logging in locally or remotely (xdmcp)? |
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| 21:41.40 | karsten | mehul: ... and X itself starts? |
| 21:41.44 | schme | Maerz: There is a debian package for 2.6.20 ? |
| 21:41.45 | ManuP | how do i print pdfs which are protected to be printed? pdftohtml dont work... |
| 21:41.55 | mehul | karsten: locally. |
| 21:41.57 | Maerz | schme no there isn't |
| 21:42.01 | Maerz | well yes there is |
| 21:42.02 | mehul | karsten: yes X works just fine. |
| 21:42.03 | karsten | ManuP: I believe your question answers itself. |
| 21:42.04 | Vasistha | jelly: ahha, it's an "untrusted source" issue, I guess I need to set up one of those gpg file in my repo :P |
| 21:42.09 | schme | Maerz: Oh. |
| 21:42.10 | mehul | karsten: if I login as root, everything just works. |
| 21:42.12 | karsten | ManuP: Talk to the source. |
| 21:42.16 | PovAddict | ManuP: you dont |
| 21:42.17 | karsten | mehul: ls -ld /tmp |
| 21:42.24 | PovAddict | ManuP: they are protected for a damn reason |
| 21:42.34 | karsten | mehul: Should be drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 4096 Mar 30 14:14 /tmp |
| 21:42.34 | schme | Maerz: So just let it install the image, and use the one you built yerself for whatever reason you figured building one was a good idea. :) |
| 21:42.36 | Maerz | schme linux-image-2.6.20.3_2.6.20.3-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb |
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| 21:42.49 | Maerz | alright |
| 21:42.52 | karsten | mehul: Note that that's world read-writeable and sticky. |
| 21:42.53 | mehul | karsten: rwxrwxrwt |
| 21:43.03 | mehul | karsten: yes it is |
| 21:43.09 | karsten | mehul: OK. Can you specify a failsafe startup? |
| 21:43.16 | schme | Maerz: As long as the package isn't removed.. You should still be able to tell grub/lilo to use your custom kernel. |
| 21:43.18 | mehul | karsten: yes. |
| 21:43.26 | karsten | mehul: Does that work? |
| 21:43.27 | Maerz | schm ok i do that |
| 21:43.30 | Maerz | t |
| 21:43.31 | Maerz | y |
| 21:43.40 | karsten | !tell Maerz about enter |
| 21:43.43 | ManuP | PovAddict, i bought a magazine which has many older versions of itself as pdf. i only dont want to read at pc monitor, so why shouldnt i print them?! |
| 21:43.49 | mehul | karsten: yes that works. |
| 21:43.57 | Maerz | pmg karsten |
| 21:43.59 | karsten | ManuP: Screenprint. |
| 21:43.59 | Maerz | *omg |
| 21:44.09 | PovAddict | ManuP: ask the one who decided to put protection against printing |
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| 21:44.23 | PovAddict | I'd say "don't print, save trees" |
| 21:44.27 | PovAddict | ^_^ |
| 21:44.37 | mehul | karsten: and once I am in via failsafe, I can start anything I want. |
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| 21:44.43 | karsten | ManuP: I'm not aware of any PDF utilities that bypass those protections / permissions. You might want to Google on your own. |
| 21:44.44 | h3sp4wn | ManuP: Its easy enough to crack pdf encryption |
| 21:45.00 | karsten | mehul: OK, try starting up your preferred desktop environment then. |
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| 21:45.08 | h3sp4wn | ManuP: (that russian guy got in trouble for explaining how to do it) |
| 21:45.17 | ManuP | karsten, pdftotext dont cars about the protection... so there is at least one programm |
| 21:45.17 | dondelelcaro | if you can see the pdf, you can print it |
| 21:45.31 | karsten | ManuP: http://www.google.com/search?q=crack+pdf+print&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 21:45.31 | ManuP | h3sp4wn, ^^ |
| 21:45.48 | schme | Does xpdf care if it is not printable? |
| 21:45.49 | karsten | ManuP: Try pdftops then. |
| 21:46.05 | dondelelcaro | schme: not to my knowledge |
| 21:46.07 | mehul | karsten: I did, it works just fine. I just vanilla vtwm and/or sawfish. No desktop |
| 21:46.09 | ManuP | karsten, h3sp4wn converting pdf2ps is no problem either, but the page orientation is wrong.... |
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| 21:46.20 | telmich | hello |
| 21:46.31 | karsten | mehul: What's your preferred desktop environment? |
| 21:46.38 | schme | dondelelcaro: I have never really heard of print protection in the first place. It seems stoopid to implement. Anyone could print 'em if they can view 'em. :) |
| 21:46.46 | bwlang | is it possible to add a 3rd device to a raid1 (theoretically it is , but hotadding it to my existing raid adds it as a spare ) |
| 21:46.47 | karsten | ManuP: You can change that via commandline switches. RTFM. Or with ps2ps conversions, RTFM. |
| 21:46.49 | telmich | postfix on my debian sid segfaults at startup, version 2.4.0-1; any idea what could be the reason? |
| 21:46.50 | mehul | karsten: plain window manager only, like vtwm or sawfish. |
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| 21:47.19 | schme | "Xpdf is a free (GPLed) PDF reader which respects Adobe's lame "copy-protection" bits in PDFs where the reader refuses to allow printing or copying etc." |
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| 21:47.21 | schme | d'oh. |
| 21:47.23 | karsten | schme: It's one of Adobe's "value-added" (I believe they misspelled "subtracted") misfeatures to the PDF spec. |
| 21:47.43 | ManuP | karsten, thanks. pdftops works... pdf2ps not so well as i pointed out |
| 21:47.53 | ManuP | karsten, thanks |
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| 21:48.08 | karsten | mehul: OK. I don't have time to walk you through this, but basically you need to walk through the X startup process and find out what's bitching at you. |
| 21:48.12 | karsten | ManuP: NP. |
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| 21:48.41 | outlaw84 | I resently changed CPU from a Athlon64 3000++ to a Dual Opteron 170, nothing else was changed in the computer, it all worked good execpt for my creative sound card. The sound doesn't work for the card, I get low static noise as when you have a radio station tuned in bad but the noice matches the played music... my system: http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/sysinfo/ |
| 21:48.49 | mehul | karsten: ok. The thing that bugs me is that I've got the same thing at home, and it works just fine. |
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| 21:49.18 | karsten | mehul: Find out what's different ;-) |
| 21:49.27 | schme | It would seem that xpdf on ubuntu atleast skips the print protection. So I am guessing debian xpdf does the same. |
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| 21:49.47 | schme | So says google! |
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| 21:52.13 | Maerz | rofl. (wow!!!) |
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| 21:53.09 | karsten | Maerz: ? |
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| 21:53.24 | Maerz | !tell karsten about wow |
| 21:53.25 | Maerz | ^^ |
| 21:53.41 | karsten | !tell Maerz about cement overcoats |
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| 21:56.51 | ManuP | bye |
| 21:57.07 | mehul | karsten: problem solved. One should never ever background the windomanager, lol |
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| 21:57.21 | mehul | at least if its the last thing in your .xsession file |
| 21:57.24 | mehul | duh ! |
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| 21:58.05 | mehul | time for dinner folks. talk to y'all later. |
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| 21:59.39 | PDani_ | hi |
| 22:00.00 | PDani_ | is it possible to debootstrap an amd64 target system from a 32bit host system? |
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| 22:03.00 | karsten | PDani_: I think that's a multi-step process. |
| 22:03.12 | karsten | PDani_: You'd do a 32 bit install, then go 64, but it's not something I've done. |
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| 22:09.07 | militant | quick question. got an external monitor on this sarge laptop. it's a beast, 24" CRT. is there a quick/easy way to enable resolutions higher than 1024x768 on the external screen? i don't need anything fancy like extended desktops, it'll almost never be hooked up this way again.. |
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| 22:12.17 | BerlinDSL10247 | i am looking for a practical howto for dhcpc |
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| 22:13.21 | noone | !give noone ndiswrapper oneline |
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| 22:13.25 | BerlinDSL10247 | ? |
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| 22:15.02 | noone | how was... did yesterday |
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| 22:18.35 | BerlinDSL10247 | i would like the dhcp to get the IP and the rest by itself but also i would like to set ESSID and WEP key |
| 22:18.48 | BerlinDSL10247 | is that possible |
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| 22:21.36 | dondelelcaro | BerlinDSL10247: if you know the essid and wep key, yes. |
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| 22:22.00 | amphi | BerlinDSL10247: you can set those in /etc/network/interfaces, or manually with iwconfig |
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| 22:30.33 | wcfxswtf | is there an asterisk 1.4 package for debian yet? |
| 22:30.40 | wcfxswtf | (etch) |
| 22:32.43 | PovAddict | I downloaded the .iso I needed on a remote host with fast connection, and created a torrent :) |
| 22:32.44 | PovAddict | http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3838 |
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| 22:39.53 | concept10 | anyone know if a Direct Memory Access Controller is the same as a MMU ? |
| 22:39.59 | concept10 | or comparable? |
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| 22:44.27 | Mark_Iron | not concept10 .. thera are different things ... |
| 22:44.46 | Mark_Iron | MMU = Memory Management Unit |
| 22:45.19 | dustybin | is debian a true free-software only distro? |
| 22:45.25 | concept10 | Mark_Iron, I know the nomenclature, but not sure on the actual function |
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| 22:45.48 | PovAddict | dustybin: yes; but there is a non-free package section too |
| 22:45.49 | bzed | concept10: there're nice wikipedia articles on both |
| 22:46.03 | Mark_Iron | DMA is responsible for direct data transfer between e.g. HDD and RAM ... |
| 22:46.04 | dustybin | is ubuntu a true free-software only distro? |
| 22:46.34 | Ether_Man | Why not ask #ubuntu that? |
| 22:46.44 | Mark_Iron | MMU defines (hardware based) wich memory areas you can access concept10 |
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| 22:47.16 | dustybin | i cant: |
| 22:47.18 | dustybin | dustybin was kicked from #ubuntu by Dorwin6 [banned: Banned] |
| 22:47.24 | PovAddict | dustybin: ubuntu by default is (except maybe for nVidia graphic drivers) |
| 22:47.42 | Mark_Iron | dustybin: there are many free distros .. like debian .. or sidux ... etc |
| 22:47.42 | dustybin | firefox is not free |
| 22:47.48 | Ether_Man | So because you're banned in the right channel, you ask in the wrong one? O_o |
| 22:47.52 | Hoxzer | dustybin: no. |
| 22:47.55 | dustybin | iceweasel is free |
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| 22:48.10 | dustybin | ok |
| 22:48.15 | Guerin | firefox is also free |
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| 22:48.23 | robin_sz | icedove is free ... |
| 22:48.24 | dustybin | the firefox logo is not open source |
| 22:48.33 | robin_sz | but thunderbird is better |
| 22:48.34 | Guerin | a trademark is not the same as copyright |
| 22:48.39 | dustybin | ok |
| 22:48.39 | deadcat | who cares |
| 22:48.44 | concept10 | exactly |
| 22:48.48 | Guerin | dustybin: that's irrelevant |
| 22:48.58 | tanob | hello, http://dpaste.com/7673/ |
| 22:49.02 | Guerin | deadcat: everyone but you |
| 22:49.04 | kalila | what to call to create a configrue out of a configure.in? |
| 22:49.05 | Ether_Man | trademark is not the same as copyright and is again not the same as or even relevant towards being free or opensource |
| 22:49.13 | kalila | autoconf? |
| 22:49.15 | dustybin | if its irrelvelvant why did debian go through the trouble of renaming firefox and thunderbird? |
| 22:49.17 | tanob | my server is stable, and i put the backports |
| 22:49.22 | deadcat | no wonder people say linux users are annoying.. who gives a fuck about a logo |
| 22:49.24 | concept10 | forget the logo, how well does it manage memory is the question |
| 22:49.28 | Guerin | fwiw, the debian logo isn't `open source' by that definition |
| 22:49.29 | tanob | but seems that they're with conflict |
| 22:49.32 | netman2 | !grounding |
| 22:49.32 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 22:49.42 | tanob | anybody knows how to fix it ? |
| 22:49.45 | Guerin | deadcat: everyone except you, now butt out |
| 22:49.55 | deadcat | Guerin: i wasnt talking to you |
| 22:50.03 | Guerin | deadcat: i was talking to you, however. |
| 22:50.05 | netman2 | !newbidco |
| 22:50.06 | robin_sz | at the end of the day, when Icedove is STILL suffering from a CPU higging race codnition tjhhat was solved in Thunderbird WEEKS ago, issues abou tthe freeness/non-freeness of logos are moot. I'll choose the one that works, thnaks. |
| 22:50.08 | netman2 | !newbidcoc |
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| 22:50.31 | jelly | Guerin: of course it isn't, but its usage is allowed for the Debian project. |
| 22:50.39 | concept10 | tastes great or less filling? |
| 22:50.40 | Guerin | jelly: right. |
| 22:50.47 | netman2 | ask dpkg newbiedoc |
| 22:50.53 | jelly | Guerin: you can't name something else "Foo Debian Linux" |
| 22:51.01 | Guerin | netman2: /msg the bot |
| 22:51.11 | Guerin | jelly: unless you're Ian Murdock |
| 22:51.20 | concept10 | deadcat, I totally agree with you on that (about linux users annoying) |
| 22:51.21 | dustybin | Ian Murdock is a sun man now |
| 22:51.27 | netman2 | Guerin thanks |
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| 22:51.35 | Ether_Man | jelly, well you can if given permission to do so |
| 22:51.44 | Guerin | Ether_Man: well, duh. |
| 22:51.48 | frankr | What do I need to do to get wireless working? I have a prism compatible card |
| 22:51.48 | jelly | Ether_Man: 'zactly |
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| 22:51.59 | dustybin | i wonder if there will ever be another release after etch |
| 22:52.13 | jelly | Ether_Man: which is what Mozilla Foundation revoked. |
| 22:52.17 | robin_sz | we sti wonder if Etch wi be released |
| 22:52.18 | Guerin | i can call my OS GuerinSoft Windows XXX if i get permission |
| 22:52.19 | tanob | anybody can help me? http://dpaste.com/7673/ |
| 22:52.39 | concept10 | If you find yourself concerned about irrelevant bits in the free software world, you will never get anything done |
| 22:52.49 | sprink_ | why is there so many \fB \fR's in the aptitude manual? |
| 22:52.51 | Guerin | concept10: this is patently untrue. |
| 22:52.57 | Ether_Man | jelly, once given permission you cannot revoke that right.. You can revoke the usage of later releases but you cannot revoke the right to a given name |
| 22:53.04 | Neptunis | <tanob> apt-get -f install |
| 22:53.15 | netman2 | anyone know how to increase font size in xchat? |
| 22:53.17 | jelly | Guerin: you mean trademarkly untrue?:-D |
| 22:53.27 | Guerin | jelly: hah |
| 22:53.38 | Guerin | netman2: #xchat |
| 22:53.47 | concept10 | Guerin, Why can ubuntu distribute FF and not Debian? Don't they also follow DFSG's? |
| 22:53.58 | dustybin | "Etch is of a very good technical quality, and we just need to |
| 22:53.59 | dustybin | polish a few remaining issues." |
| 22:54.01 | sprink_ | the aptitude man page is freakin screwed up |
| 22:54.15 | deadcat | concept10: ya.. i almost snapped a few times (= |
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| 22:54.21 | jelly | netman2: it's trivial. Settings -> Preferences |
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| 22:54.33 | tanob | Neptunis: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
| 22:54.36 | Guerin | concept10: i presume they toe the mozilla line, which is to only use mozilla-sanctioned patches. Debian will do no such thing, for reasons which should be clear. |
| 22:54.51 | netman2 | I couldn't find it and I'm starting to go blind, the fonts are so small. |
| 22:54.52 | rahul | swallow you hole / you're an angel / one to die for / and I'll swallow you hole |
| 22:55.01 | Guerin | rahul: whole? |
| 22:55.04 | dondelelcaro | concept10: actually, no one is quite clear about that. Perhaps they executed a trademark license. |
| 22:55.05 | rahul | now that you've come, two become one |
| 22:55.07 | Neptunis | you should not use backports to install apache |
| 22:55.19 | rahul | hrm yeah |
| 22:55.23 | tanob | Neptunis but then i wont have php5 |
| 22:55.24 | Guerin | !tranquilise rahul |
| 22:55.24 | deadcat | concept10: like some newbie ask a simple question and these linux dudes going into details.. damn the dude dont give a F. just answer the simple question already... he doesnt want to know what you had for breakfast... |
| 22:55.48 | Guerin | deadcat: please establish your own community, and fuck off out of ours. |
| 22:55.55 | Malf | mmm mm my router has no logout option on its config page |
| 22:55.58 | Malf | so sweet |
| 22:55.59 | netman2 | k thanks jelly. |
| 22:55.59 | deadcat | Guerin: calm down dude. |
| 22:56.10 | Neptunis | <tanob> you are running sarge ? |
| 22:56.13 | Guerin | deadcat: i'm just sayin' - don't piss and moan, do something about it. |
| 22:56.13 | concept10 | Guerin, dont start |
| 22:56.15 | tanob | Neptunis yes |
| 22:56.26 | Ether_Man | concept10, the reason is very simple.. ubuntu cares less about what mozilla wants and do not want.. it was removed from debian after request, ubuntu wants to wait for some deciding factor as currently it is a bit of a gray zone |
| 22:56.26 | Guerin | be the change you wish for |
| 22:56.34 | Neptunis | Then you don't have php5 |
| 22:56.35 | dustybin | deadcat: stop acting like a dead cat |
| 22:56.44 | Guerin | Ether_Man: do you have a link for that? |
| 22:56.45 | Neptunis | <tanob> try update etch |
| 22:56.53 | tanob | Neptunis backports offer php5 |
| 22:56.54 | deadcat | dustybin: just PMS'ing today (= |
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| 22:57.06 | Neptunis | <tanob> moment |
| 22:57.15 | Ether_Man | Guerin, not really but I've been following the discussions on it from earlier in here |
| 22:57.15 | Guerin | Ether_Man: as a for-profit concern, I'd have thought canonical would have a fiduciary responsibility to not risk that sort of exposure. |
| 22:57.55 | dustybin | mmm time for a coffee |
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| 22:58.18 | Ether_Man | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3634591 has some part of the discussion on why debian does not include it.. |
| 22:58.30 | me_here | oh |
| 22:58.39 | concept10 | You know, this is why im getting myself back into electronics as a hobby. Actual physical stuff, The icon politics and other shit can go to hell. |
| 22:58.42 | rahul | my god, my body is going to be in so much pain tomorrow |
| 22:58.51 | rahul | considering how much my neck hurts from yesterday |
| 22:59.40 | Guerin | concept10: politics are important |
| 22:59.49 | rahul | ignore the fucking politics |
| 23:00.01 | me_here | hewww |
| 23:00.04 | Xenguy | politix are inevitable =) |
| 23:00.07 | concept10 | im trying to figure out if I can get debian on this stupid processor |
| 23:00.17 | Guerin | right - ignore it, and leave it to the people who recognise its value |
| 23:00.25 | Ether_Man | ignore it and you are no better than the pirates that plague the net already |
| 23:00.28 | rahul | or its lack of value |
| 23:00.32 | concept10 | but I dont know the difference between a MMU and DMA (which sucks) |
| 23:00.34 | rahul | the pirates? |
| 23:00.38 | Xenguy | Guerin: yes, it matters |
| 23:01.12 | Ether_Man | Rahul such as those that uses pirated programs |
| 23:01.15 | Neptunis | <tanob> what backport do you use ? |
| 23:01.16 | Malf | rahul: swashbucklers... scourge of the seven seas.. of the internet |
| 23:01.25 | rahul | the whole assweasel/farterfucks thing is rather irrlevant to me as a user |
| 23:01.30 | rahul | Ether_Man: you're an idiot |
| 23:01.33 | Xenguy | Ether_Man: free s/w is so much easier |
| 23:01.42 | Guerin | rahul: yes, indeed. |
| 23:02.09 | rahul | Ether_Man: people who ignore power struggles aren't thieves. |
| 23:02.15 | Ether_Man | Xenguy, true in many ways.. But the current laws are what they are.. I may not like them but they are to be followed |
| 23:02.26 | Ether_Man | rahul, when did I call them thieves? |
| 23:02.30 | Xenguy | Ether_Man: sorry, not at you :-) |
| 23:02.30 | rahul | they'd just rather get useful work done than watch people fight |
| 23:02.33 | tanob | Neptunis: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:02.37 | Xenguy | brb |
| 23:02.48 | rahul | Ether_Man: pirates ARE thieves of a certain type |
| 23:03.00 | rahul | whether you agree with the laws that makes them so is a different story |
| 23:03.14 | Guerin | rahul: high seas pirates are; copyright infringers aren't |
| 23:03.15 | me_here | chilly again ? |
| 23:03.25 | Ether_Man | rahul, not really.. thieves imply that they steal.. They use without permission and they copy without permission.. They do not however take something away from the owner which is required for it to be theft |
| 23:03.39 | Tobe | doh |
| 23:03.45 | Malf | concept10: DMA is basically something that allows hardware to directly access memory without going through the CPU |
| 23:03.47 | Guerin | copyright infringement may be bad and heinous etc, but it's not theft |
| 23:04.03 | rahul | Guerin: you put your blood, sweat, and tears into making something and watch it get taken from you and used for someone else's gain and tell me they didn't steal something from you |
| 23:04.05 | jelly | sure it is |
| 23:04.09 | Malf | concept10: while MMU is something for managing virtual memory, at least in simple terms |
| 23:04.13 | Guerin | (or it may be a righteous struggle against The Man, depending on your view) |
| 23:04.25 | Ether_Man | rahul, how is it taken from you when copied? You do not lose it do you? |
| 23:04.35 | rahul | copyright actually protects the laborer more than capital |
| 23:04.49 | kalila | what env variable to set to make configure look for include files in a non standard install dir? |
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| 23:04.55 | Guerin | rahul: i did. In 2002 a production i was involved in was leaked and bropadcast without authorisation. |
| 23:04.58 | concept10 | Malf, okay, I understand (and remember) DMA is for fast access.. MMU is where the kernel manages the heap, stack and other stuff like that (I guess) |
| 23:05.09 | Ether_Man | rahul, there are evidence of it going both ways so that's debatable.. |
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| 23:05.16 | Malf | concept: yep |
| 23:05.25 | wrtpeeps | hello. Can someone tell me the repository/package name of php5? |
| 23:05.26 | Guerin | rahul: the only theft was of the right of first performance - and the fact that it was a rough-cut |
| 23:05.34 | Guerin | wrtpeeps: aptitude search php5 |
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| 23:06.08 | wrtpeeps | ty Guerin |
| 23:06.27 | jelly | Guerin: when/where were Harry Potter books first performed (to steal an example from /.)? :-) |
| 23:06.36 | Neptunis | tanob> install apache2-mpm-prefork NOT from backports like > apt-get -t sarge-backports install libapache2-mod-php5 you should first install apche from main |
| 23:06.41 | Guerin | rahul: copyright itself is neutral - it's about implementation. It orioginally protected producers - authors - of work, but it tends now to produce `rights-acquirers' |
| 23:06.47 | Guerin | jelly: i don't know. |
| 23:06.53 | rahul | so don't sell your rights |
| 23:06.57 | Guerin | exactly |
| 23:07.13 | rahul | don't turn your labor into capital and fuck the man by shoving a wooden spoon up your arse |
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| 23:08.02 | jelly | rahul: also, eat your self-published thousand books instead of letting someone else market them and give you 8% of 100,000 copies sold. ;-) |
| 23:08.04 | rahul | free software has its place. copyright is not evil, tho. |
| 23:08.12 | rahul | heh |
| 23:08.14 | rahul | jelly: exactly |
| 23:08.18 | simmerz | why does an apt-get update never end? just hangs at 99% [Sources bzip2 0] |
| 23:08.25 | dim | how to install kde-devel in sid? (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/ would have me saying i need kde-devel (5:52) instead of kde-devel (5:47)) |
| 23:08.29 | Guerin | jelly: your choice ... which evil you want? |
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| 23:08.44 | jelly | Guerin: I want to be rich and famous! :-) |
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| 23:08.54 | dim | simmerz: don't know, but C-c then apt-get update again generally does the trick for me |
| 23:08.59 | Guerin | jelly: i want to be comfortable and left alone. |
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| 23:09.02 | simmerz | dim: done that 5 times now |
| 23:09.05 | jelly | Guerin: also, being able to feed oneself is nice |
| 23:09.22 | dim | arf, bad luck :/ |
| 23:09.41 | shogunx | jelly rob a bank. you will be both, albeit for a very short time. |
| 23:09.53 | tanob | Neptunis: at the moment this worked: apt-get -t sarge-backports install libapache2-mod-php5=5.2.0-8+etch1 php5-common=5.2.0-8+etch1 |
| 23:09.58 | dim | what about kde-devel for debian sid and kde 3.5.6 ? |
| 23:10.02 | rahul | food is evil. |
| 23:10.04 | Guerin | jelly: i agree - that's why, after film skool and working in theatre for a while, I thought fuck it, and got a real job |
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| 23:10.19 | me_here | don't fiddle with the banks rob a state |
| 23:10.23 | me_here | lol |
| 23:10.23 | davo | anyone know what geocities server address might be? |
| 23:10.24 | rahul | Now crawl up my spine / Are you screaming to say you're satisfied? |
| 23:10.28 | rainabba_ | Where can I find docs for /etc/network/interfaces (i need to specify promisc of an interface and can't figure out how)? |
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| 23:10.42 | Neptunis | <tanob> is it ALL working now ? |
| 23:10.45 | Guerin | davo: dig knows |
| 23:10.46 | rahul | man 5 interface |
| 23:10.46 | rahul | s |
| 23:10.47 | jelly | me_here: oh, the state got already robbed, I could only pick the crumbs now :-| |
| 23:10.59 | rainabba_ | rahul: ty |
| 23:11.02 | davo | Guerin: Dig as in the site digg? |
| 23:11.11 | me_here | then do it the schweinepriester way |
| 23:11.14 | me_here | lol |
| 23:11.24 | Guerin | davo: no. Digg has two gs, as you noted. dig has only one. |
| 23:11.35 | netman2 | !grounding |
| 23:11.35 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 23:11.39 | davo | is dig a website or a person? |
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| 23:11.44 | tanob | Neptunis im going to install the extensions, and then PEAR |
| 23:11.53 | tanob | Neptunis let me try :) |
| 23:11.57 | Neptunis | fine, succes ! |
| 23:12.08 | Guerin | davo: dig is a tool you can use to find an ip address from a DNS name, or vice versa |
| 23:12.09 | streuner_ | Guerin* |
| 23:12.12 | dim | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381277 |
| 23:12.25 | Neptunis | succes means good luck |
| 23:12.31 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 381277 |
| 23:12.34 | davo | Guerin: where do i get this dig tool? |
| 23:12.34 | dpkg | #381277:W[wnpp] ITP: kgtk -- KDE file dialogs in GTK Applications; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:18:02 UTC |
| 23:12.39 | davo | is it a package? |
| 23:12.46 | dim | wnpp yes |
| 23:12.50 | Guerin | davo: it's in the nsutils package, i think |
| 23:12.51 | streuner_ | dnsutils |
| 23:12.53 | rainabba_ | Grrr, /etc/network/interfaces not support defining promisc? (or is it spelled different?) |
| 23:12.58 | dim | a package i'd like to install, from source if no .deb is available |
| 23:13.00 | Guerin | mm, somesuch |
| 23:13.02 | davo | Guerin: okay thank you |
| 23:13.07 | dim | but i need kde-devel uptodate to compile it |
| 23:13.20 | dim | sid nor experimental contains kde-devel recent enough |
| 23:13.38 | davo | Guerin: would a server_address be the same as the ip address? |
| 23:14.15 | Xenguy | davo: dnsutils ? |
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| 23:14.17 | amphi | rainabba_: normally, you run something like tcpdump and that puts the iface into promiscuous mode |
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| 23:15.00 | simmerz | dim: changing from ftp to http seems to work though |
| 23:15.06 | rainabba_ | amphi: I typically use ifconfig promisc eth1 up, but I'm trying to play nice with KVM |
| 23:15.08 | davo | Xenguy: sorry i don't have dnsutils |
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| 23:16.00 | streuner_ | davo: what stops you to install it? :-) |
| 23:16.13 | davo | in irssi, i have a highlited message on Act:3, how do i switch to that screen and see what the message is? |
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| 23:16.31 | davo | streuner_: hm, well i'm on Gentoo actually, and my distro shows that it doesn't have that package |
| 23:16.32 | streuner_ | TAB or CTRL N |
| 23:16.36 | BudgetDedicated | I have issues connecting a debian sarge webserver to a debian etch mysql server. It has something to so with the mysql client version not able to handle the authentication protocol of the mysql server on etch |
| 23:16.39 | irule | trying to use cdrom image with dselect, it detected my /usr/src/debian-2.6.11-i386-businesscard mount but it halt here `/debian/dists/stable' exists and looks plausible, so that's the default. Distribution top level ? [/debian/dists/stable]what should go in there? I have a /pool/main directory inside |
| 23:16.39 | davo | streuner_: okay thanks, i'll try that |
| 23:16.49 | BudgetDedicated | does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 23:16.57 | BudgetDedicated | I'm running php5 from backporst |
| 23:17.01 | simmerz | out of interest, and not wishing to start a war here, but what happened to december 2006 as a release date for etch?! |
| 23:17.15 | streuner_ | simmerz: /topic |
| 23:17.17 | simmerz | and yes, I've seen the topic |
| 23:17.24 | davo | streuner_: wow very nice, that works |
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| 23:17.28 | simmerz | but december -> april is a long time! |
| 23:17.40 | streuner_ | ok, read debian-devel-announnce then :-) |
| 23:17.49 | simmerz | streuner_: thanks |
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| 23:19.03 | davo | streuner_: i found the dnsutils package for my distro, i will give it a try |
| 23:19.24 | simmerz | streuner_: yep, just seen the message from Andi 2 days ago. ta for the pointer |
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| 23:20.11 | Guerin | simmerz: google "douglas adams" deadlines |
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| 23:20.57 | simmerz | Guerin: yeah i read the books.. |
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| 23:24.41 | lfs | apt-cache search wine brings no vino |
| 23:26.29 | wols_ | contrib or non-free |
| 23:26.29 | dondelelcaro | lfs: uh... then you must not have any sources.list entries. |
| 23:26.40 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it's in main |
| 23:27.04 | dondelelcaro | (or you're not actually using debian at all) |
| 23:28.12 | bzed | lfs: I guess you're using amd64? |
| 23:28.18 | lfs | right |
| 23:28.38 | bzed | wine just came into unstable a weeks or two ago for amd64 |
| 23:29.14 | bzed | so you'd have to use unstable source. I'll show you a sane way to do so, if you want it |
| 23:29.33 | lfs | I need it for pokerstars |
| 23:29.39 | bzed | using stuff from unstable can result in problems... unstable is called unstable for a good reason |
| 23:30.54 | lfs | Usually after going into unstable it doesnt take that long to come to testing. |
| 23:31.24 | bzed | http://pastebin.ca/417580 |
| 23:31.40 | bzed | lfs: well at the moment etch/testing is frozen until it is released |
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| 23:32.20 | bzed | so either you wait for about 2 weeks or use unstaable |
| 23:32.42 | bzed | I'm pretty sure that there'll move a TON of stuff from unstable into testing as soon as etch becomes stable |
| 23:33.17 | lfs | Can I go back to testing if I use this method? |
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| 23:35.26 | davo | anyone know how to upload and share a webcam image with others on linux? |
| 23:35.32 | tanob | how can i allow remote root connection on mysql ? |
| 23:35.37 | davo | like, a streaming webcam image? |
| 23:35.44 | shogunx | davo camserv is pretty good. |
| 23:35.58 | davo | shogunx: oh yea? hm, i'll check it out, thanks |
| 23:36.18 | davo | i can get the webcam image to show up with mplayer and vlc, but just not sure how i can broadcast it |
| 23:36.40 | shogunx | dave how did you do it with mplayer? |
| 23:36.48 | shogunx | davo ^^ |
| 23:37.00 | davo | shogunx: i just followed a how-to that i found online |
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| 23:37.15 | shogunx | what is the shell command? |
| 23:37.17 | davo | shogunx: but it won't broadcast it, or not that i know of |
| 23:37.23 | kofler | What does this mean? debian-files-list-in-source |
| 23:37.41 | kofler | Is there a list of Lintian errors somewhere? |
| 23:37.44 | davo | shogunx: to run it in mplayer it's: mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:device=/dev/video0 |
| 23:38.03 | shogunx | thanx |
| 23:38.23 | davo | yw |
| 23:38.51 | davo | perhaps you could tell me how to broadcast after i get camserv installed |
| 23:39.03 | davo | actually camserv just finished installing |
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| 23:41.39 | shogunx | davo you have to embed the video stream from port 9192 (iirc) in an html page, and serve that with apache. |
| 23:42.07 | davo | shogunx: ok cool, i don't know how to do all that though, can you give me more info? |
| 23:42.36 | shogunx | the docs that come with camserv ( dpkg -L camserv and look for the documentation, probably in /usr/share) will give you instructions |
| 23:43.07 | davo | shogunx: what html page do you use ? |
| 23:43.24 | davo | i am trying to use Geocities, but not having much luck. |
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| 23:43.50 | shogunx | davo use a local web server... apt-get install apache;) |
| 23:44.12 | davo | shogunx: okay will do, thanx |
| 23:44.44 | shogunx | results are as such : http;//sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/cam.html |
| 23:45.57 | davo | shogunx: yes, that's what i'm talking about! that's awesome |
| 23:46.01 | davo | very nice |
| 23:46.19 | shogunx | thanx. its been there for several years now. |
| 23:46.37 | davo | wow, that's exactly what i am thinking of |
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| 23:47.31 | shogunx | i have a friend who does net tv with a realvideo server, so i had to school him on the quality of free software;) |
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| 23:48.30 | davo | good for you! hopefully he sees the benifits |
| 23:48.40 | Mark_Iron | hi :-) .. how to set the dpi of the display under etch? ... the KDE fonts are too big ! ;-/ |
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| 23:52.54 | davo | shogunx: i have a personal webhost setup. and i am installing apache. |
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| 23:53.18 | davo | i can't seem to find the camserv documentation, what would be the next thing i would need to do? |
| 23:53.31 | shogunx | hold on a sec davo |
| 23:53.48 | shogunx | /usr/share/doc/camserv/examples |
| 23:54.20 | shogunx | modify one of those and put it in /var/www/ |
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| 23:56.48 | mike1o | hi im trying to install flash for iceweasel, Im using an amd64 on etch testing but I seem to be the packet ia32-libs-gtk needed for the nspluginwrapper to work |
| 23:56.54 | dustybin | has anyone come across this error before: |
| 23:56.56 | dustybin | shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 23:57.57 | dustybin | its ok |
| 23:58.02 | dustybin | i was in the wrong directory |
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| 23:59.25 | davo | shogunx: i don't have any examples in my /usr/share/doc/camserv-0.5.1-r2 directory |
