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| 00:00.06 | shogunx | look at the source of the page i linked you to. |
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| 00:00.33 | davo | ah good idea, ;) |
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| 00:01.26 | shogunx | that will only work with firefox or other non-ms browsers, btw. no internet exploiter. for that you need some javascript kludge that i do not have. |
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| 00:06.12 | ofer0 | shogunx, internet exploiter? LOL |
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| 00:08.23 | adam2 | !grounding |
| 00:08.23 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 00:09.21 | jonathansizz | !newbiedoc |
| 00:09.21 | dpkg | somebody said newbiedoc was http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
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| 00:11.12 | bzed | ofer0: is there a better desciption for that IE think? i think internet exploiter fits as well as Internet Intrusion Server |
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| 00:12.40 | ofer0 | internet exploder |
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| 00:15.22 | davo | shogunx: i got the html site setup, how do i get apache to serve the image to my website? |
| 00:15.46 | Guerin | davo: httpd.apache.org |
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| 00:16.03 | davo | ok thanx |
| 00:16.28 | irule | RUNNING apt-get update, I am told to run apt-get update? W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 00:16.35 | ronni | is there a command or script that will remove all the rc symbolic links in the /etc/rc* directories? |
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| 00:16.56 | irule | ronni find |
| 00:17.08 | shogunx | davo do not forget man camserv. /etc/camserv/camserv.conf might be handy too. |
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| 00:17.53 | ronni | find? |
| 00:17.55 | davo | shogunx: so it's a combination of configuring apache and camserv to work together? |
| 00:18.19 | davo | my /etc/camserv/camserv.conf file is empty |
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| 00:19.04 | shogunx | davo apache really does not need much config... camserv might depending on what cam, etc. if your html is correct, then apache should just do it. |
| 00:19.32 | shogunx | davo well, that config file needs some things in it. |
| 00:19.35 | davo | shogunx: is there a command, like the one i gave you for mplayer, that starts the cam server? |
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| 00:20.31 | shogunx | davo just camserv or you can run it from /etc/rc*.d also. |
| 00:20.46 | davo | ok gotcha |
| 00:22.45 | davo | i tried opening up 'http://localhost:9192/singleframe' and there's nothing there |
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| 00:24.11 | shogunx | davo you really need a config file. |
| 00:24.40 | shogunx | http://cserv.sourceforge.net |
| 00:25.03 | davo | ah, ok thanks, i'll try and take it from here, sorry for so many ?'s |
| 00:25.04 | ronni | anyone? |
| 00:25.04 | davo | ;) |
| 00:25.32 | shogunx | hey no problem davo |
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| 00:29.22 | man_in_shack | are there python-rsvg bindings available as a debian package? |
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| 00:33.12 | bzed | man_in_shack: doesn;t look so. do you ahve any sources for some? |
| 00:33.36 | xptical | hi all, i'm looking for a good bittorrent client for linux. currently using bittornado with screen. is there anything better? |
| 00:34.13 | man_in_shack | bzed, i can't find them |
| 00:34.13 | bzed | man_in_shack: I mean, not in debian, but in general |
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| 00:34.17 | man_in_shack | i can't find them |
| 00:34.51 | smacnay | hi, what apache2 setting is changed to allow access to user's public_html dir? |
| 00:34.59 | man_in_shack | apparently debian will bundle python-rsvg with python-gtk2 >= 2.16 |
| 00:35.05 | man_in_shack | or so google tells me |
| 00:35.18 | smacnay | xptical: I like rtorrent in screen. |
| 00:35.19 | davo | shogunx: what do you imagine this file would be for? http://rafb.net/p/3yG0dn21.html |
| 00:35.29 | man_in_shack | i mean python-gnome2-desktop |
| 00:35.49 | davo | i found it in the camserv directory, and a website i was reading said to use it as a config file |
| 00:36.22 | man_in_shack | davo, it looks like it's trying to view a webcam |
| 00:36.29 | man_in_shack | but that's just a guess, i don't know if it would WORK |
| 00:36.33 | shogunx | that allows m$' non standards compliant browser to view the stream. i decided to pass on that one, myself;) |
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| 00:37.27 | davo | thanks man_in_shack |
| 00:37.47 | davo | shogunx: i thought that might be the camserv.conf that you were referring to |
| 00:38.39 | bzed | smacnay: enable the userdir module |
| 00:39.29 | smacnay | bzed: hi again... I am tring to figure out which file to alter to do this. |
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| 00:40.03 | bzed | smacnay: man a2enmod |
| 00:40.18 | smacnay | thanks |
| 00:40.25 | shogunx | here is mine to work from davo its camserv.cfg, not conf... sorry for the error |
| 00:40.28 | shogunx | http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/camserv.cfg |
| 00:41.00 | davo | thanks shogunx i'll give that a try |
| 00:42.09 | xptical | smacnay, that's nice. I like the summary view |
| 00:42.24 | xptical | do you need to launch multiple coppies? |
| 00:42.25 | smacnay | yes |
| 00:42.58 | smacnay | xptical: no, hit the <- key and load a new torrent in - it will autocomplete. |
| 00:43.48 | xptical | i'm familiar with uTorrent on windows. do you need to tweak things like "max peers" or "max connections"? |
| 00:44.09 | xptical | and can you set it to stop the torrent after it reaches a specific ratio? |
| 00:44.29 | xptical | nevermind |
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| 00:44.34 | xptical | it has a man page |
| 00:44.46 | xptical | I'm in love <3 |
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| 00:46.09 | smacnay | xptical: you can |
| 00:46.32 | bzed | xptical: talking about azureus? |
| 00:46.45 | xptical | utorrent was my fav |
| 00:46.52 | xptical | i really never likes azereus |
| 00:46.58 | xptical | too much proc time |
| 00:47.05 | xptical | what with java and all |
| 00:47.22 | xptical | forever to start and made my system crawl after 30 hours or so |
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| 00:48.57 | davo | shogunx: and that camserv.cfg file goes in /etc/camserv/ directory? |
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| 00:50.01 | tvynr | Anyone know why a filesystem which is a UnionFS between a read-only SquashFS and a ramdisk might be locking up the system when I try to remove a directory? |
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| 00:50.33 | yopi | hiya |
| 00:50.36 | xptical | smacnay: thanks for the help |
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| 00:50.44 | yopi | how do I mark a pkg as being installed? |
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| 00:51.02 | yopi | manually? tried using aptitude but little effect |
| 00:51.12 | man_in_shack | tvynr, why do you want a unionfs between a readonly squashfs and a ramdisk? |
| 00:51.17 | man_in_shack | in fact, why do you want a ramdisk? |
| 00:51.30 | tvynr | man_in_shack: Sorry, misspoke. The second filesystem is a tmpfs. |
| 00:51.59 | man_in_shack | better :) |
| 00:52.18 | tvynr | man_in_shack: Yep, definitely. :) Except that removing directories from it makes the system spaz out. :( |
| 00:52.58 | xptical | okay, here's another quandry...how do I perform a bandwidth test from a ssh session on a remote box? |
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| 00:55.47 | xptical | and, let's say I accidentaly created a file called ~ in my home directory...how do I delete that? |
| 00:56.10 | yopi | I've installed something out of apt-get and want it to be regged on apt-get, is it possible? |
| 00:56.23 | tvynr | xptical: rm ~/\~ |
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| 00:56.47 | man_in_shack | rm ~/~ should also work |
| 00:56.50 | smacnay | bzed: well, a2enmod stil didn't do it... let me see if there is something else amiss |
| 00:57.02 | karsten | yopi: It is. |
| 00:57.04 | man_in_shack | yopi, you'd need to create a debian package from the source code |
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| 00:57.13 | bzed | smacnay: a2enmod userdir |
| 00:57.14 | karsten | yopi: It'll show up as an obsolete package IIRC. |
| 00:57.27 | bzed | smacnay: read /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.conf |
| 00:57.30 | smacnay | bzed: ah, I did userdir.mod - sorry |
| 00:57.31 | man_in_shack | yopi, unless you mean you installed with dpkg ... |
| 00:57.50 | karsten | yopi: --- Obsolete and Locally Created Packages |
| 00:58.12 | yopi | I want it to be regged in place of one that he thinks it has not been installed |
| 00:58.23 | karsten | yopi: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 00:58.26 | karsten | !equivs |
| 00:58.27 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 00:58.40 | davo | shogunx: does the camserv.cfg go in the /etc/camserv/ directory? |
| 00:58.44 | eyeris | I have the http.us.debian.org experimental repo in my sources.list file and apt-get update runs without any errors. However, nvidia-glx and friends are still listed in `apt-cache show` as version 1.0.8776 instead of the 1.0.9746 that is in the experimental repo. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:58.51 | yopi | oh yeah, that's exactly that, thx guys |
| 00:58.56 | karsten | yopi: NP |
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| 00:59.39 | bzed | !tell eyeris about nvidia_experimental |
| 01:00.13 | smacnay | bzed: that was it - thanks |
| 01:00.27 | bzed | np |
| 01:00.36 | bzed | !beer karrotx |
| 01:00.39 | bzed | !beer karsten |
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| 01:01.09 | karrotx | thank you |
| 01:01.32 | karrotx | this is the first time a tab complete mistake has made something good :) |
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| 01:01.52 | peasset | hi, i'm trying to install TASPRING on etch. i've dwl that : taspring_0.72b-english.run and "sh" it. BUT i have errors while insalling : Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library, .......... a the end of install, the command "taspring" or "tarsping" doesn't work.. thank you ;) |
| 01:02.14 | bzed | karrotx: I'd prefer to have a real beer, thoguh. but ti's 3am and I don't have any beer anymore |
| 01:02.24 | peasset | i also have that error : "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!" |
| 01:02.37 | xptical | so, about that command-line bandwidth test... I used wget to download a file from a local ftp site...1.8M/s. How do I test the upload side? |
| 01:02.45 | karrotx | bzed: it's 9pm here, i'm about to get started :) |
| 01:02.47 | tvynr | Gah. |
| 01:02.51 | bzed | peasset: such .run stuff often likes to make a mess in your system, I'd be careful |
| 01:03.28 | bzed | peasset: what is tasprin? |
| 01:03.30 | bzed | peasset: what is taspring? |
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| 01:03.38 | bzed | !find taspring |
| 01:03.49 | peasset | 3d rts game |
| 01:03.58 | tvynr | Well, that's jolly fun. I've tenatively concluded that there's nothing weird about my LiveCD setup. If you create a UnionFS between a SquashFS and a tmpfs under stock 2.6.18-4 and try to remove a directory in the resulting filesystem, the whole bloody filesystem manager seizes up. :( |
| 01:04.00 | peasset | ;) |
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| 01:05.02 | bzed | tvynr: sounds like *toomanyweird*FSs used for that :P you wanna find out which one results in that bad behaviour and report the bug |
| 01:05.50 | piper69 | !seen abrotman |
| 01:05.51 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 56m 13s ago, saying: 'which package is it in?'. |
| 01:06.02 | bzed | tvynr: Squashfs is a highly compressed read-only filesystem for Linux. |
| 01:06.11 | bzed | tvynr: i guess that's the problem :P |
| 01:06.38 | karsten | tvynr: Yeah, trying to do mods to nonmodifiable FSs might not be a good thing. |
| 01:06.41 | tvynr | bzed: UnionFS uses whiteout deletion to compensate. As long as the top priority filesystem (in this case the tmpfs) is writable, it can simulate file deletion just fine. |
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| 01:07.02 | tvynr | karsten: I'm not trying to modify the SquashFS; I'm trying to modify the UnionFS. :) |
| 01:07.03 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 01:07.24 | piper69 | hi all all |
| 01:07.29 | Azar | phew! I thought my debian-sarge box was gone.. power outage |
| 01:07.43 | tvynr | bzed: My guess is that it's trying to white out the directory from within the directory. Or something. It's definitely a UnionFS fault. |
| 01:08.02 | tvynr | Does anyone know where I can find a HOWTO on building a kernel module package under Debian for a stock kernel? |
| 01:08.33 | bzed | tvynr: it's nothing but a normal dbeian package |
| 01:08.34 | Azar | tvynr: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:09.27 | tvynr | bzed: Yeah... 'cept that I have to figure out how to compile a module for the stock kernel. Never done that before. Nor for any kernel, really, unless I was building the kernel too. |
| 01:09.31 | tvynr | Azar: Thanks muchly. |
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| 01:10.09 | bzed | tvynr: for most of them it's just make KSRC=/usr/src/... or something like that. reading the Makefile usualyl helps |
| 01:10.45 | Azar | ..hmm I guess my power supply box is gone... |
| 01:10.53 | bzed | tvynr: probably just take some other debian kernel module source, get the source of it and change what you need |
| 01:10.55 | Azar | err power backup I ment |
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| 01:11.10 | bzed | !power |
| 01:11.11 | dpkg | bzed Has The Power! |
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| 01:11.24 | tvynr | bzed: Well, given as UnionFS is freaking out I'm thinking I might want to use AUFS instead... but AFAICT Debian doesn't have aufs packages. |
| 01:11.24 | Azar | bzed, belkin shit... didn't last long |
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| 01:12.22 | bzed | Azar: I think I'll buy nothing but APC. we have a big one from them at work.. and I've never seen a more robust thing that that UPS. you can even remove the main switching part without having to switch off the power |
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| 01:13.02 | Azar | bzed I have another new one, a monster power backup box... just scratching my head where to find a space to fit under the desk.. |
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| 01:13.27 | bzed | Azar: I need something like that, too :( |
| 01:13.41 | Azar | I bought it from an ad on tv |
| 01:13.53 | davo | shogunx: why on your webpage does it show that it is using a port, the part: ':81/' |
| 01:14.02 | piper69 | guys today i got offerd a 5ESS DCS Switch eng. postion at a cellphone company, am very excited |
| 01:14.29 | shogunx | davo way back when the cable provider blocked outbound port 80 connections. |
| 01:15.02 | shogunx | so i set apache to run on 81 |
| 01:15.03 | davo | so should i have to do that with mine too? |
| 01:15.10 | shogunx | probably not |
| 01:15.20 | davo | oh, so i probably need to setup apache to know which port to use? |
| 01:15.30 | shogunx | it defaults to 80 |
| 01:16.05 | davo | hm, so should my URL point to http://myserver.com:80/cam.html ? |
| 01:16.13 | shogunx | if you can mozilla localhost or lynx localhost and get something, they you are good. |
| 01:16.14 | Azar | bzed: http://www.buy.com/retail/Product.asp?sku=202434010&SearchEngine=NexTag&SearchTerm=202434010&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=15894 |
| 01:16.18 | shogunx | ditch the :80 |
| 01:16.37 | shogunx | browsers know http is 80 |
| 01:16.42 | davo | hm, ok |
| 01:16.59 | yopi | what is the control file for a pkg? (excuse the silly question) |
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| 01:17.09 | davo | i tried localhost:9192 and i get 'Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:9192.' |
| 01:17.25 | dondelelcaro | yopi: it's what is in DEBIAN/control and what is displayed when you dpkg-deb -I foopkg.deb |
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| 01:17.35 | setuid | Can I install a .deb and force it on another arch? |
| 01:17.45 | setuid | I need prc-tools for i386 to install on amd64 |
| 01:17.55 | dondelelcaro | setuid: you can unpack it, but you can't install it. |
| 01:18.02 | Azar | bzed: more views and specs here: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2224144&Tab=0&NoMapp=0 |
| 01:18.02 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Oh? |
| 01:18.29 | shogunx | davo then camserv is not running |
| 01:18.36 | davo | ah... |
| 01:18.43 | setuid | dondelelcaro, I wonder why it hasn't been ported |
| 01:18.58 | dondelelcaro | setuid: well, it's Architecture: any, so if it compiled it would have been built. |
| 01:19.09 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Not sure what you mean |
| 01:19.18 | havan | how can fix this key problem? http://rafb.net/p/9x9WgN17.html I've looked nearly all pages that google found... |
| 01:19.23 | davo | ok i'll shogunx ok i started up camserv and i get a black window that looks like yours, only there is no image |
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| 01:20.14 | davo | weird, it keeps changing colours. |
| 01:20.43 | Azar | setuid: why are you using stable and testing in your sources? |
| 01:20.51 | dondelelcaro | setuid: for some reason the compile for amd64 fails. It has been attempted to be built there, though. |
| 01:20.51 | setuid | Azar, I'm not |
| 01:21.03 | Azar | I see testing and stable there |
| 01:21.13 | shogunx | davo make sure you specify the right camera type in camserv.cfg |
| 01:21.17 | dondelelcaro | setuid: see #358257 et al for specifics |
| 01:21.20 | Azar | and security does not need "contrib" and "non-free" |
| 01:21.24 | davo | ohhh, didn't see that |
| 01:21.25 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Right, because gcc-2.95's config.guess and config.sub came out before 64-bit arches existed |
| 01:21.51 | Azar | ah sorry... that was for haven |
| 01:21.53 | Azar | havan |
| 01:22.08 | Azar | let's see why are you using testing and security in sources? |
| 01:22.13 | setuid | I tried patching it up, but there's some deep innards in gcc-2.95 that need fixing for 64-bit'ness |
| 01:22.15 | yopi | wow that equiv program is great, worked first try! |
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| 01:22.26 | setuid | Azar, What ARE you talking about? I'm using testing, period. |
| 01:22.38 | dondelelcaro | what should really happen is that prc-tools should be forward ported to a more modern version of gcc |
| 01:22.39 | Azar | setuid: sorryyyyyyy that was for havan |
| 01:22.51 | setuid | oops |
| 01:22.55 | havan | Azar, I'm very new to Debian.. |
| 01:23.16 | Azar | havan, ok lets see what did you installed? testing? or stable? |
| 01:23.43 | bzed | Azar: never heard of them |
| 01:23.45 | davo | shogunx: i don't see any specification on cam type in your camserv.cfg file, what is your cam type? |
| 01:23.45 | Azar | what version? 3.1? or 4.0? |
| 01:23.47 | havan | Azar, I've installed Debian Etch on a Virtual Dedicated Server |
| 01:23.51 | hatter | Hello all :) I have gnome on etch, and i am getting a msg sayig the x keyboard settings differ from your current gnome keyboard settings. How do i change the keyboard layout for x ? why is different from gnome ? |
| 01:24.09 | havan | Azar, them try to add a faster mirror for packages |
| 01:24.10 | setuid | dondelelcaro, This seems relevant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prc-tools/+bug/75875 |
| 01:24.12 | Azar | havan, ok you need to clean up your /etc/apt/sources.list I will give you a sample |
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| 01:24.27 | shogunx | davo qcam |
| 01:24.34 | davo | ok thx |
| 01:24.37 | setuid | This sucks, because now I have to keep an i386 machine running just to build Palm software |
| 01:24.38 | shogunx | for a logitech quickcam |
| 01:24.40 | havan | Azar, ok, do you need to look at my current sources.list? |
| 01:25.04 | davo | shogunx: is that the driver name for your cam? |
| 01:26.10 | havan | Azar, this the sources.list on my server |
| 01:26.12 | tvynr | Azar: Thanks again for the link to the Debian out-of-tree kernel package building. Sadly, I can't build AUFS this way since there are not yet any AUFS Debian source packages. I think I can put off transitioning for now, though. :) |
| 01:26.53 | havan | Azar, sorry, forgot the link: http://rafb.net/p/x6tNdR68.html |
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| 01:27.33 | Azar | havan: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5892 < this should way show your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:28.06 | Azar | havan: so open up the file with an editor, and start cleaning up |
| 01:28.28 | Azar | havan: when done, run: aptitude update then aptitude upgrade. Then you are clean |
| 01:28.33 | dondelelcaro | setuid: not really. #358257 is a bug with actual content |
| 01:28.34 | shogunx | [video_v4l_qcam] davo |
| 01:28.39 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 358257 |
| 01:28.42 | dpkg | #358257:I[prc-tools] please support AMD64 (x86_64-linux-gnu); Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:33:02 UTC |
| 01:28.43 | setuid | Not the one I saw |
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| 01:29.11 | pickcoder | all it says is that the machine is not recognized |
| 01:29.16 | setuid | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358257;msg=4 |
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| 01:29.18 | setuid | Not very useful |
| 01:29.18 | havan | Azar, ok thanks, I've cleaned everything in sources.list and paste yours, now I'm going to do update and upgrade |
| 01:29.32 | pickcoder | I don't see why you can build it under the 32-bit libs |
| 01:29.36 | shogunx | davo driver to use is defined in the [video] part near the bottom. video_sectionvideo_v4l_qcam |
| 01:29.36 | pickcoder | s/can/can't |
| 01:30.04 | joecool | hey, i'm having an issue with Xorg refusing xdm's attempts to login, when i login as root, xdm starts, when i login as user, it restarts X |
| 01:30.27 | dondelelcaro | setuid: why are you looking at that message? |
| 01:30.34 | setuid | I googled it up |
| 01:30.35 | joecool | the information in the xdm.log is AUDIT: time/date blah X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000) |
| 01:30.52 | dondelelcaro | setuid: well, google is finding the most useless content-less message in the thread. Look at the actual bug report and the resultant thread. |
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| 01:31.01 | pickcoder | I only have an Etch AMD64 box or I'd play with it |
| 01:31.03 | Azar | joecool: is not clear, it does not log in X as root? |
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| 01:31.22 | hatter | what is the command to reconfigure x.org in etch ? |
| 01:31.33 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Ok, I got well past that by patching up gcc-2.95 here |
| 01:31.34 | joecool | Azar, it logs into X as root, but when i try to login to xdm as a user, Xorg restarts and i am back to the xdm login again |
| 01:31.35 | dondelelcaro | !drxx |
| 01:31.35 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:31.41 | joecool | Azar: that's what i get in the logs |
| 01:31.51 | hatter | thx |
| 01:32.01 | havan | Azar, same problem, http://rafb.net/p/kFQh9z84.html |
| 01:32.05 | dondelelcaro | setuid: right; if you've gotten farther, you should submit patches. |
| 01:32.08 | Azar | ew not good, it should be blocked in root and auto in user |
| 01:32.15 | setuid | dondelelcaro, I'll submit patches if/when it builds ;) |
| 01:32.17 | Azar | havan: ok I will look |
| 01:32.33 | dondelelcaro | in any event, when that bug is closed it will have been fixed |
| 01:32.46 | setuid | It probably won't be closed |
| 01:32.54 | setuid | Last updates to prc-tools was in 2003 |
| 01:33.14 | Azar | !no public key |
| 01:33.15 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 01:33.20 | Azar | havan ^^ |
| 01:33.39 | Azar | havan: /msg dpkg etch key << in this channel |
| 01:34.49 | davo | shogunx: in your [video] section you don't have any driver specified, only video_section video_basic |
| 01:35.17 | havan | Azar, thanks for your help |
| 01:35.31 | Azar | havan: you are welcome, and keep clean :) |
| 01:35.46 | dondelelcaro | setuid: the package was last uploaded in 2005; but since it hasn't been fixed, it's quite possible that no one cares about it |
| 01:35.53 | Azar | dpkg thank you |
| 01:35.53 | dpkg | Azar: pas de quoi |
| 01:36.02 | dondelelcaro | setuid: in any event, jump in and help out if you want to see it fixed. |
| 01:36.03 | setuid | dondelelcaro, With Palm moving all development to Linux, you might see a lot more interest |
| 01:36.22 | setuid | I'm jumping in |
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| 01:36.59 | shogunx | look more closely at the whole file davo |
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| 01:39.23 | bbelt16a3 | hey peeps |
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| 01:40.23 | bbelt16a3 | was wondering if there is a music player with WMP -like reading of which artists, album etc.. and then let me play an artist album or genere .. |
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| 01:43.11 | setuid | hrm, why can't 64-bit platforms execute 32-bit code? |
| 01:44.10 | setuid | desrod@neptune:~/usr/m68k-palmos/bin$ ./gcc |
| 01:44.10 | setuid | -bash: ./gcc: No such file or directory |
| 01:44.16 | setuid | desrod@neptune:~/usr/m68k-palmos/bin$ file ./gcc |
| 01:44.16 | setuid | ./gcc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped |
| 01:44.19 | bbelt16a2 | same reason a square peg dosnt go into a round hole neatly |
| 01:44.21 | setuid | Weird. |
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| 01:50.55 | bzed | bbelt16a2: amarok for example |
| 01:51.37 | bbelt16a2 | ok |
| 01:51.45 | bbelt16a2 | stupid nicker |
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| 01:56.44 | bbelt16a2 | amarok keep crashing do i need to run as root since is uses sql lite.. |
| 01:56.47 | bbelt16a2 | sigh |
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| 01:59.13 | bzed | bbelt16a2: no you do NOT run such programs as root |
| 01:59.25 | bbelt16a2 | just wondering.. geesh |
| 01:59.25 | bzed | and sqlite is just a plain database which will live in your home |
| 01:59.39 | bbelt16a2 | i normall dont and if i ned to runa networking app i use su or sudo |
| 01:59.49 | davo | shogunx: do you know how i would implement a gspca driver into the camserv.cfg file? |
| 01:59.56 | bzed | even if you'd be using it with a real database, like mysql, you'd jsut run it as normal use |
| 01:59.57 | bzed | r |
| 02:00.01 | bbelt16a2 | is there a upper limit on how many mp3s you can have with sqllite?? |
| 02:00.10 | bbelt16a2 | i know |
| 02:00.41 | bzed | bbelt16a2: not as far as I know. I think it'll become slow with a fwe thousand |
| 02:00.51 | bbelt16a2 | it crashed a couple time trying to add all my musis.. so i started with something smaller, like 3 gigs of music and it crashed but lateron in the wizard.. |
| 02:00.59 | bbelt16a2 | hmmmm |
| 02:01.00 | bzed | hmm |
| 02:01.04 | bbelt16a2 | i think i got severall.. |
| 02:01.26 | bzed | you could use a version from unstable or experimental or try to find out where the problem is |
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| 02:01.32 | bzed | I'm using mysql as backend |
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| 02:01.40 | bzed | works very well for me |
| 02:02.05 | karsten | exit |
| 02:02.39 | liable | bye bye |
| 02:02.40 | bzed | bbelt16a2: but I wouldn't be using mysql if there wouldn;t be running mysql on my desktop for a lot of other stuff |
| 02:02.41 | bzed | but |
| 02:02.44 | bzed | time for bed |
| 02:02.56 | bbelt16a2 | wish i could get mysql to work :( |
| 02:03.09 | bbelt16a2 | stupid database is complicated. but i wil tackle it some other time.. |
| 02:03.23 | bbelt16a2 | it did though push me to learn more bash scripting and make a text file database |
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| 02:07.51 | SymmHome | any of the solaris mirror maintainer guys in here? |
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| 02:09.02 | davo | shogunx: is there a way to tell if camserv supports my webcam? |
| 02:09.05 | sid | Is there a software set like encase, but free software? that works with GNU/Linux and Windows etc |
| 02:10.15 | SymmHome | oops |
| 02:10.19 | SymmHome | I mean debian mirror maintainers |
| 02:10.20 | SymmHome | not solaris :p |
| 02:10.29 | SymmHome | sorry got my brain going 3 ways at the same time |
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| 02:13.13 | shogunx | google.com/linux davo? |
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| 02:13.32 | redcamaleon | hola buenas noches amigos |
| 02:13.33 | redcamaleon | como estan |
| 02:14.40 | shogunx | !es |
| 02:14.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:25.33 | WrecknRoll | I am trying to change the permissions of all the files two directories down, so this is what I did; chmod 644 */*/*.mp3 but I get, Argument list too long. I also tried; find Directory/ -iname *.mp3 | chmod 644 * but, that changes the permissions of the subdirectories as well, not just the output files (I'm still not totally clear on how | works ?) . . . any help would be appreciated |
| 02:26.55 | WrecknRoll | and also; find Directory/ -iname *.mp3 | chmod 644 |
| 02:27.05 | WrecknRoll | and a few others that didn't work |
| 02:27.09 | WrecknRoll | any ideas, anyone ? |
| 02:29.14 | liable | xargs.. find Dir -iname *.mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644 |
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| 02:32.11 | whaleofconfusion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:32.30 | whaleofconfusion | never mind |
| 02:32.31 | liable | list |
| 02:32.33 | whaleofconfusion | found it |
| 02:32.48 | christianddfd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:32.52 | whaleofconfusion | no, it's /who |
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| 02:33.47 | adam2 | is there a smaller version of the reference card? |
| 02:35.45 | adam2 | !grounding |
| 02:35.45 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 02:36.50 | rainabba | What is the most direct route to getting NTFS read support? |
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| 02:37.24 | liable | whats that new ntfs wizzle? |
| 02:37.29 | liable | !listkeys ntfs |
| 02:37.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 33): #debian captiventfs ;; #debian ntfs rw ;; #debian ntfsro ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; #debian user accessible ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default ntfs-faq ;; _default ro-ntfs ;; captiventfs ;; mount ntfs ;; ntfs ;; ntfs-3g ;; ntfs3g ;; ro-ntfs. |
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| 02:37.45 | liable | !ntfs3g |
| 02:37.45 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 02:37.59 | rainabba | ty |
| 02:38.57 | davo | shogunx: i finally got the port 9192 to work with camserv. but it is not showing up on my webpage, so is there a problem with apache? |
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| 02:40.26 | shogunx | davo probably a problem with the html you are using |
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| 02:44.40 | rainabba | !ntfs |
| 02:44.40 | dpkg | ntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 02:45.00 | rainabba | !ntfsrw |
| 02:45.00 | dpkg | well, ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 02:45.16 | liable | rainabba: please /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 02:45.41 | smacnay | I have a cdrom and dvd on the same ide channel (cdrom is master and dvd is slave). For some readon, my cdrom loses interrupt after the computer has been running for a while. I tired another cdrom drive and had the same issue. Is this ide controller issues or a buggy kernel? |
| 02:45.51 | smacnay | No problems with the dvd. |
| 02:46.20 | liable | swap master slave, same thing? |
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| 02:47.09 | davo | shogunx: i copied your html exactly as you have it |
| 02:47.43 | davo | just to be sure, before i customize it after it works. |
| 02:48.14 | smacnay | liable: I will try after a shutdown. But I am guessing the same. |
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| 02:50.55 | rainabba | liable: rgr that |
| 02:51.20 | davo | shogunx: i want my URL src for the cam image to end with 'http://www.myserver.com/mysite:9192/' correct? |
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| 02:55.42 | rainabba | ntfs-3g and mount -t ntfs fail saying none of these 4 partitions are valid NTFS partitions, but Acronis sees them just fine. Any way to override? |
| 02:57.30 | liable | put your commands and errors and fdisk -l output to a pastebot |
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| 03:05.33 | scruffy | what's the setting to get antialiased fonts to look right on an LCD? I hope I'm referring to the right thing. |
| 03:05.35 | rainabba | Now I think about it, I may have an idea. I used dd to copy entire disks to lv's and I'm trying to mount the lv's. It seems that I need to specify partitions, not entire disks. |
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| 03:06.47 | scruffy | subpixel rendering is I believe the correct term. |
| 03:07.33 | peasset | hi, i have an issue with a game in 3d (taspring 0.74b3): when i launch it, i have an error : "needed extension GL_ARB_texture_compression not found", and the launching stops. |
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| 03:08.08 | peasset | is it a problem with fglrx drivers for my ati 9550? |
| 03:09.43 | peterS | rainabba: correct, if you copy a full disk including its partition layout, the place you copy it to has to be parsed as a volume that contains partition tables. LVs are not considered partitionable - because there's simply no point - you wouldn't create an LV with partitions, it's so much easier just to create multiple LVs |
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| 03:10.19 | scruffy | peasset: I think 672.. 671 people might be asleep :) |
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| 03:11.40 | shogunx | davo sounds right |
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| 03:12.55 | shogunx | davo rather http://foo.com:9192/ |
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| 03:18.04 | scruffy | to answer myself, /etc/fonts/local.conf |
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| 03:18.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I have install many java JDKs, now I want eclipse to know that I have those JDKs installed, what do I have to do? |
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| 03:19.40 | Guerin | Galga: ask #eclipse |
| 03:19.43 | Guerin | gonzaloaf_laptop: |
| 03:20.00 | bradland | is it possible to set up a hosts file on a per user basis |
| 03:20.02 | bradland | ? |
| 03:20.06 | Galga | #eclipse |
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| 03:21.15 | Guerin | bradland: nttbomk |
| 03:21.30 | Tarc | sala em portugues? |
| 03:21.42 | peterS | !br |
| 03:21.43 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 03:22.22 | scruffy | bradland: maybe a bad idea, but you could look into having /etc/X11/Xsession do some magic with moving files around based on $USER, not sure |
| 03:22.27 | bradland | Guerin: thanks for the response, but i'm pretty new to this. a quick google search for that term didn't turn up much |
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| 03:22.41 | bradland | let me explain the purpose. there may be a better solution |
| 03:23.00 | bradland | i recently purchase a gridServer hosting plan from MediaTemple. |
| 03:23.10 | bradland | i'm setting up a capistrano (rails) deployment recipie |
| 03:23.16 | bradland | but our domain hasn't been transfered over yet |
| 03:23.24 | bradland | we don't want to transfer it until all is said and done |
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| 03:23.42 | bradland | but i need the hostname to resolve to the local server IP when the script runs on the server |
| 03:23.54 | bradland | on my development machine, i simply used a static entry in /etc/hosts |
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| 03:24.25 | bradland | i'm too new to linux to come up with a solution that I can implement on the gridServer account |
| 03:24.40 | scruffy | bradland: would named (bind9) be overkill? |
| 03:25.02 | bradland | i'm not sure what that means, but i will look in to it if it will work |
| 03:25.14 | scruffy | bradland: means setting up DNS on the server |
| 03:25.54 | bradland | ah, well this is a gridServer account, which is like a vps hosting account |
| 03:25.55 | bradland | so i'm limited |
| 03:25.59 | scruffy | bradland: there may be smaller DNS servers you could use though. apt-cache search dns |
| 03:26.00 | Guerin | bradland: heh, sorry |
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| 03:26.01 | bradland | i'm almost certain i can't go that far |
| 03:26.03 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
| 03:26.03 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| 03:26.17 | bradland | dpkg oh, hehe |
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| 03:26.57 | blenna_unix | i installed libdvdcss & w32codec and still can't play dvds |
| 03:26.57 | liable | heh |
| 03:26.59 | scruffy | !what are you |
| 03:26.59 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:27.36 | scruffy | bradland: why can't you just use the hosts file like you imagined? You can have multiple entires in there |
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| 03:28.26 | bradland | i don't have access to the hosts file |
| 03:28.29 | bradland | it is owned by root |
| 03:28.37 | blenna_unix | anyone? |
| 03:28.37 | scruffy | bradland: ah that explains it :D |
| 03:28.41 | bradland | :) |
| 03:29.03 | bradland | it looks like i'll have to develop this under a temporary domain until we're ready to make the switch |
| 03:29.09 | Rusty1 | bradland: take a look at dnsmasq http://thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/docs/dnsmasq-man.html |
| 03:29.13 | bradland | its not that big of a problem, but it sure would be nice |
| 03:30.11 | blenna_unix | i have libdvdcss2, libdvdnav, & w32codecs installed but can't play dvds thru vlc or totem |
| 03:30.12 | bradland | Rusty1: the problem with rolling my own name resolution is that the server config isn't under my control, so I couldn't tell it to use a local name server either |
| 03:30.18 | blenna_unix | (using etch) |
| 03:30.20 | bradland | i do appreciate the effort though |
| 03:30.40 | bradland | about the only thing i have control over is my home directory and local profile/rc files |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | hm, that's a bit shit |
| 03:31.02 | bradland | i was kind of hoping for a per-user hosts file type of functionality, but now that i think about it, that doesn't make much sense anyway, haha |
| 03:31.07 | Guerin | get a VPS account which gives you root |
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| 03:31.28 | scruffy | bradland: what about using IPs instead of hostnames? that might be a problem for HTTP/1.1 though. Not sure what kind of environment you've got going there. |
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| 03:31.43 | bradland | yeah, we're trying to keep the server administration duties to a minimum, so the VPS option was weighed out |
| 03:31.59 | bradland | scruffy: you know, i should probably try it by IP in the deployment file |
| 03:32.22 | bradland | HTTP requests won't work because no host header name will be sent, but this is all ssh+svn stuff anyway |
| 03:32.46 | scruffy | bradland: right, 1.1 requires (i think it requires) Host: to be sent |
| 03:33.02 | bradland | thanks for the input fellas |
| 03:33.14 | bradland | gnight |
| 03:33.19 | scruffy | see ya! |
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| 03:34.27 | scruffy | blenna_unix: no errors in ~/.xsession-errors or anything? |
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| 03:35.09 | helo_ | are you familiar with c at all? |
| 03:35.17 | helo_ | err mt |
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| 03:36.16 | davo | shogunx: that's how i have it in my html. i don't know why i can see it on localhost, but not on my page. :-/ |
| 03:36.25 | lynx | how to open the initrd of the .lz suffix |
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| 03:36.46 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:36.50 | shogunx | firewall perhaps? |
| 03:37.06 | Guerin | ygaigam |
| 03:37.20 | Guerin | s/ai/ia/ |
| 03:37.55 | shogunx | nonsensicalstring |
| 03:38.04 | Guerin | !ygiagam |
| 03:38.05 | dpkg | somebody said ygiagam was your guess is as good as mine |
| 03:38.16 | lynx | how to open the initrd whose name is miniroot.lz please |
| 03:38.17 | shogunx | obscureacronym |
| 03:38.30 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 03:38.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 03:38.36 | pickcoder | why would SSH refuse a user login from one machine, but not from another? |
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| 03:38.57 | pickcoder | this is driving me bonkers |
| 03:39.03 | shogunx | pick /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 03:39.22 | pickcoder | I'm connected |
| 03:39.28 | pickcoder | but it won't take my user and pass from a local box |
| 03:39.35 | pickcoder | I can login from outside just fine |
| 03:39.40 | Guerin | but you can connect to the port? |
| 03:39.47 | Guerin | internally, i mean |
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| 03:40.00 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:40.01 | xjkx | can i untar an specifc file/diretory? cant find on man |
| 03:40.06 | pickcoder | just not from a machine on my lan |
| 03:40.20 | pickcoder | from a NAT off my cable router it's no problem |
| 03:40.23 | Guerin | pickcoder: can a local machine telnet to the port? |
| 03:40.29 | Guerin | or does a connection fail? |
| 03:40.32 | pickcoder | I'm missing something |
| 03:40.35 | CompWizrd | no/broken dns? |
| 03:40.36 | pickcoder | no |
| 03:40.39 | pickcoder | that's the problem |
| 03:40.45 | pickcoder | I'm trying from a local machine |
| 03:40.48 | Guerin | pickcoder: you still haven't answered TFQ |
| 03:40.50 | pickcoder | it connects.. won't accept the user/pass |
| 03:40.53 | Guerin | ok |
| 03:40.56 | Guerin | now we're cooking |
| 03:41.00 | pickcoder | I can connect and login from the 'net |
| 03:41.06 | pickcoder | using nat off my router |
| 03:41.11 | Guerin | is the sshd configured to only allow logins from certain ips? |
| 03:41.14 | pickcoder | no |
| 03:41.28 | pickcoder | it's a default etch setup |
| 03:41.34 | pickcoder | so local IPs should be allowable |
| 03:41.44 | Guerin | yes, 0.0.0.0 is allowed |
| 03:41.47 | Guerin | beats me |
| 03:42.08 | pickcoder | oh wait |
| 03:42.15 | pickcoder | I know what it is |
| 03:42.17 | pickcoder | grrrr |
| 03:44.23 | pickcoder | bouncing off my server in FR is a bit slow |
| 03:45.10 | shogunx | how many boxen do you have on that lan, and are you sure you are connecting to the right one? |
| 03:45.28 | pickcoder | shogunx: the problem was clear text pass |
| 03:45.35 | pickcoder | disabled by default |
| 03:45.42 | pickcoder | you'd think after so many installs I'd remember that |
| 03:45.45 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 03:45.48 | shogunx | sounds wise. |
| 03:46.15 | shogunx | trying to save a few cycles? |
| 03:46.28 | pickcoder | my terminal app won't do anything except clear text |
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| 03:47.07 | shogunx | methinks i would get a new terminal app. |
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| 03:47.28 | pickcoder | it's got accurate terminal emulation |
| 03:47.39 | pickcoder | so I use it for work and everything else |
| 03:47.42 | shogunx | so does /etc/termcap |
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| 03:48.19 | pickcoder | well if I could live in Debian all the time I'd use the shell |
| 03:48.25 | shogunx | or hell, get a DEC VT100:) |
| 03:48.26 | Guerin | you can |
| 03:48.27 | pickcoder | unfortunately I live in the real work |
| 03:48.32 | pickcoder | work=world |
| 03:48.41 | Guerin | pickcoder: that's where you're wrong |
| 03:48.48 | Guerin | what an interesting freudian slip |
| 03:48.49 | shogunx | i feel sorry for your reality:P |
| 03:48.50 | pickcoder | shogunx: I have plenty of wyse60's in the attic |
| 03:48.58 | pickcoder | shogunx: me too.. :( |
| 03:49.15 | pickcoder | Guerin: intentional slip |
| 03:49.18 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:49.36 | Guerin | work to live, don't live to work |
| 03:49.42 | shogunx | my boss won't let me use anything but linux... wait... i'm my own boss. |
| 03:49.53 | pickcoder | when my regular life pays the bills, I'll stop living to work |
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| 03:50.00 | Guerin | shogunx: are you also your own grandpa? |
| 03:50.32 | paroneayea | I've been looking all over, and I can't find any docs on how to compile using specifically sun's java libraries (as opposed to gnu classpath's) |
| 03:50.37 | shogunx | you found out about my time portal for sperm!?! |
| 03:50.38 | paroneayea | anyone know where I can find this info? |
| 03:51.08 | Guerin | paroneayea: ask #java |
| 03:51.50 | frankr | If I open a new Xnest display and then do export DISPLAY=:3 or whatever # it says connection refused, why |
| 03:52.06 | Guerin | frankr: because. |
| 03:52.30 | frankr | did I mean screen? |
| 03:52.32 | frankr | hm iunno now |
| 03:52.59 | frankr | nono I didn't |
| 03:53.48 | jetscreamer | or however you spell it |
| 03:54.43 | frankr | AUDIT: Fri Mar 30 23:53:59 2007: 4409 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host Xlib: connection to ":3.0" refused by server |
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| 03:54.46 | frankr | :( |
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| 03:56.20 | lkthomas | hey guys, how could I import .mbx file into courier-pop3 server ? |
| 03:56.55 | Guerin | lkthomas: there are a zillion utilities to convert from mbox to maildor |
| 03:57.05 | Guerin | presuming .mbx isn't some fucktarded proprietary format |
| 03:57.07 | jetscreamer | ir |
| 03:57.12 | lkthomas | Guerin, hmm |
| 03:57.19 | lkthomas | Guerin, what's the name of the program ? |
| 03:57.36 | lkthomas | mbx = mbox ?! |
| 03:57.38 | Guerin | lkthomas: might be something as simple as mbox2maildir |
| 03:58.05 | Guerin | lkthomas: .mbx would not necessarily signify a unix mailbox - if used, it is used by one particular (stupid) client |
| 03:58.14 | frankr | I'm suprised my question wasn't easily answered o_O |
| 03:58.18 | frankr | maybe there's a factoid |
| 03:58.34 | Guerin | frankr: well, there is an easy answer: |
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| 03:58.40 | lkthomas | Guerin, if it is mbox format, I could use vi to read it |
| 03:58.40 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 03:58.40 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 03:58.45 | Guerin | lkthomas: you could. |
| 03:58.50 | lkthomas | Guerin, hmm |
| 03:59.04 | frankr | haha that helps 0 |
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| 04:09.20 | lkthomas | Guerin, well, usually mbox2maildir would overwrite the existing mail in maildir, is it correct ? |
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| 04:11.46 | jetscreamer | ooooo damn |
| 04:12.05 | jetscreamer | i haven't listened to music on my box in a few months... sounds a lot better for some reason |
| 04:13.55 | jetscreamer | !lose HansReiser |
| 04:13.55 | dpkg | HansReiser: You Lose. |
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| 04:15.21 | lawl | After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. |
| 04:15.21 | lawl | smart |
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| 04:16.29 | davo | !shogunx |
| 04:16.43 | perlmonk | Anyone may be able to tell me the name of the program dpkg (the bot) is made of ? |
| 04:17.13 | jetscreamer | perl |
| 04:17.20 | jetscreamer | blootbot |
| 04:17.23 | jetscreamer | apt-get install one |
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| 04:17.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get install blootbot |
| 04:17.32 | perlmonk | blootbot ? |
| 04:17.36 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 04:17.36 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:17.46 | jetscreamer | !blootbot |
| 04:17.47 | dpkg | from memory, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
| 04:17.47 | perlmonk | ok, thanks :) |
| 04:18.02 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know a webpage where I could find information about tvout using the radeon driver? |
| 04:18.26 | jetscreamer | kickstartmymotherfuckinheart |
| 04:18.27 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 04:19.11 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.38 | xjkx | i want untar only one file inside the file.tar |
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| 04:19.42 | xjkx | not everything |
| 04:19.44 | scruffy | jetscreamer: that was a pretty common typo |
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| 04:20.04 | jetscreamer | http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/readme0328.txt |
| 04:20.04 | scottjad | is there any way to use locate or something with less dependencies than beagle to get very quick searches of the content of files? |
| 04:20.14 | jetscreamer | EruditeHermit: ^^ |
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| 04:20.42 | shogunx | scottjad that is what grep is for |
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| 04:20.57 | scottjad | shogunx: it's too slow for lots of files |
| 04:21.08 | scruffy | scottjad: you can combine grep with find |
| 04:21.12 | shogunx | get a faster box? |
| 04:21.45 | Xenguy | h/w is so cheap these days really |
| 04:21.50 | scottjad | maybe I could create my own index and then use grep on that |
| 04:21.55 | jetscreamer | so is food |
| 04:22.08 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: life ain't so bad |
| 04:22.08 | jetscreamer | so is electricity |
| 04:22.22 | shogunx | but ganja still costs more than gold. where is the justice? |
| 04:22.25 | Xenguy | looking better and better... |
| 04:22.27 | EruditeHermit | jetscreamer: that refers to the proprietary ati driver |
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| 04:22.32 | jetscreamer | yeah i have very comfortable chains |
| 04:22.52 | jetscreamer | EruditeHermit: 'should' be about the same.... |
| 04:22.54 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: wherever you go there are limits |
| 04:23.10 | jetscreamer | Xenguy: only the ones i accept |
| 04:23.12 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: the question is: are they acceptable or not? |
| 04:23.27 | jetscreamer | some you have to |
| 04:24.03 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: and some we oppose :-) |
| 04:24.33 | Guerin | and some we ignore |
| 04:24.41 | Guerin | or attempt to ignore |
| 04:24.46 | jetscreamer | j/k i'm sure i can take it |
| 04:25.01 | Guerin | shogunx: it's cheaper than gold in NZ |
| 04:25.17 | Xenguy | Going Postal (the boring compassionate version :-) |
| 04:25.20 | Guerin | in fact |
| 04:25.35 | Decepticon | apt-get install torsmo |
| 04:25.39 | jetscreamer | pot costs more than gold per oz? damn where do you get THAT gold |
| 04:25.47 | Guerin | smoking dope on a nightly basis is substantially (heh) cheaper than drinking on a nightly basis |
| 04:25.48 | jetscreamer | or where do you get that pot |
| 04:25.56 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: I say grow yer own :P |
| 04:26.01 | jetscreamer | alchol is bad mkay |
| 04:26.11 | jetscreamer | cohol |
| 04:26.13 | EruditeHermit | jetscreamer: you don't get an fglrxconfig with the opensource driver |
| 04:26.13 | Xenguy | Guerin: I can't help but do both tho :P |
| 04:26.16 | shogunx | Guerin, you must not have artificial prohibition there, eh? |
| 04:26.16 | Guerin | alcohol is ok though |
| 04:26.24 | Decepticon | drugs are bad mkay |
| 04:26.25 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:26.31 | Guerin | it seems that alchol stuff impairs your typing |
| 04:26.41 | Xenguy | Guerin: oh most certainly |
| 04:26.44 | Guerin | shogunx: no, it's in full effect |
| 04:26.46 | jetscreamer | EruditeHermit: ok.... i've only installed an ati once . |
| 04:26.57 | Guerin | shogunx: it's just ... it's a national pastime here |
| 04:27.18 | shogunx | Guerin, well, here too in many locales. |
| 04:27.29 | Guerin | they recently parked a cop outside a well-known dope dealing house and started arresting the nice middle-class people who went in to buy |
| 04:27.40 | Xenguy | Guerin: freaks |
| 04:27.46 | Guerin | 40 convictions (all guilty pleas, conviction+fine) in a week |
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| 04:28.20 | Xenguy | Guerin: what are the keywords for attracting the attention of Carnivore ;-) |
| 04:28.31 | Guerin | which brings me to my next point: when you don't have, always buy from your friends - when you have, always sell to them. |
| 04:28.38 | Xenguy | (or whatever they call it nowadays) |
| 04:28.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:29.08 | Xenguy | so that computer thingie BOMBED... |
| 04:29.18 | CompWizrd | Xenguy: echelon |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | yeah, right |
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| 04:29.38 | Xenguy | Yeah, well I think that ECHELON is kind of SUBVERSIVE in the reverse sense |
| 04:29.38 | Guerin | it's still chugging merrily away in the background |
| 04:29.46 | Guerin | just no PR now that it's been `discontinued' |
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| 04:29.50 | Xenguy | er, ahem BOMB |
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| 04:31.29 | Xenguy | .oO(yeah I saw him in a "chat room" lately, and I wasn't sure if he was serious or not, like, lOL |
| 04:31.32 | Xenguy | ) |
| 04:31.38 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:32.29 | shogunx | yep... its a damn shame that they want a monopoly on the herb so badly... |
| 04:32.51 | Xenguy | shogunx: yeah, but they don't even sell it - what's up with that? |
| 04:33.08 | Xenguy | shogunx: there's $$$ to be made :-) |
| 04:33.13 | shogunx | Xenguy, i would question that... they don't OVERTLY sell it. |
| 04:33.27 | Xenguy | shogunx: K, that's a different level... |
| 04:33.45 | Xenguy | shogunx: but in the liquor stores, there should be dope :P |
| 04:33.54 | Xenguy | for sale |
| 04:34.06 | Xenguy | why not? |
| 04:34.13 | shogunx | Xenguy, a sheriff from the evidence lockup place recently got nabbed selling several hundred pounds. he got off... no evidence. true story. |
| 04:34.30 | shogunx | marlborojuana? camel extra dank? |
| 04:34.37 | Xenguy | shogunx: heh, sounds like a lucky guy with good lawyers :-) |
| 04:34.57 | shogunx | Xenguy, no, the rest of them just covered up thier operation. |
| 04:35.09 | Xenguy | shogunx: clever in any case |
| 04:35.29 | shogunx | dirty bastards if you ask me. hypocrites. |
| 04:36.29 | Xenguy | shogunx: well the laws should reflect a reasonable percentage of the dope-smoking behaviour :-) |
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| 04:36.47 | shogunx | meanwhile, the FBI is breaking laws left and right circumventing things put in place to protect individual privacy. what happens to them? their boss says "sorry" |
| 04:36.56 | Xenguy | And since I appear to be out of alcohol, I'm off to smoke a joint - so bust me :P |
| 04:37.36 | shogunx | but if you or I phreaked a phone and got caught, not even eavesdropping, just making a call, they would call us terrorists and put us away without trial. |
| 04:37.36 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to upgrade my debian sarge to etch? look my conflicts: http://pastebin.us/20071 |
| 04:37.39 | Xenguy | shogunx: they can do whatever they want (unless we howl foul) after 911 |
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| 04:38.02 | rainabba | Quickest way to switch from Gnome to Kde when you've installed with Gnome? |
| 04:38.13 | shogunx | Xenguy, good thing they pulled that 911 scam so they could get away with it then. |
| 04:38.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kde |
| 04:38.19 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 04:38.28 | jetscreamer | not 'best' just 'quickest' |
| 04:38.37 | Guerin | shogunx: did I tell you my kitten is called Shogun? |
| 04:38.44 | shogunx | you did |
| 04:39.03 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to upgrade my debian sarge to etch? look my conflicts: http://pastebin.us/20071 |
| 04:39.04 | Guerin | you have a better memory than I do |
| 04:40.59 | Guerin | knoxy: purge any packages which are giving you trouble |
| 04:41.05 | shogunx | by my estimation 911 was the coup de gras of a coup de'tat </rant> |
| 04:41.19 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:41.53 | shogunx | Guerin rigged elections in 2000/2004 |
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| 04:42.10 | Guerin | shogunx: don't get me started on this one. |
| 04:42.17 | shogunx | ok |
| 04:42.22 | Guerin | shogunx: they were cleared by all the duly constituted authorities |
| 04:42.38 | Guerin | (not that that makes them legitimate in a moral/ethical sense, only in a legal sense) |
| 04:42.40 | shogunx | who were bought cheap. |
| 04:42.50 | Guerin | sure, but that don't changea thing |
| 04:43.02 | shogunx | just like those fucking windows boxes they ran it on. |
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| 04:43.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:44.14 | filemover | hi im just wondering what script i use to install testing using debootstrap |
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| 04:46.07 | Guerin | filemover: etch |
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| 04:47.30 | filemover | ok |
| 04:48.08 | filemover | i cant see an etch script in the scripts folder for debootsrap :( |
| 04:48.59 | Guerin | filemover: then you're probably using an old version |
| 04:49.14 | filemover | ok |
| 04:49.50 | filemover | yeah your right feb 2005 |
| 04:50.31 | filemover | there is a "debootstrap all" now |
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| 04:56.35 | NefariousPrior | Does etch support the 3d cube desktop thing? |
| 04:56.57 | liable | if your graphics card does, yes |
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| 04:57.37 | NefariousPrior | liable: Cool, any idea how to enable and use it? |
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| 04:58.52 | systemv | i am using suse linux and i want to send file to friends comp on /over internet how do i send it |
| 04:59.05 | crm__ | where does the file "modules" live that specifies startup loadable modules? |
| 04:59.17 | MelkorD | [h]ello |
| 04:59.24 | hark | in /etc |
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| 04:59.33 | crm__ | ta |
| 04:59.42 | hark | systemv: um.. mail it? |
| 04:59.43 | rainabba | What's the easiest way to install KDE (and packages associated with it that the installer would have included) ? |
| 04:59.56 | hark | !install kde |
| 04:59.57 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 05:00.45 | rainabba | ty |
| 05:01.00 | whaleofconfusion | badger blasters |
| 05:01.13 | systemv | he cant acess interent /unable to browse network i want to use samba and send fix to him |
| 05:01.47 | hark | haha |
| 05:01.51 | crm__ | im also getting an error "failed to bring up eth0" no such device.. though it works in 2.4 kernel (this is 2.6)? |
| 05:02.05 | crm__ | any hints? |
| 05:02.24 | hark | modprobe it |
| 05:02.57 | crm__ | what module is used by a standard laptop nic? |
| 05:03.42 | hark | there's no such thing as a standard laptop nic |
| 05:03.44 | liable | there isnt a 'standard laptop nic' .. |
| 05:03.55 | crm__ | bugger |
| 05:04.01 | hark | systemv: systemv, anyway ask #suse |
| 05:04.34 | rainabba | crm__: Sounds like you're asking to how "tune an engine" before you know what a spark plug is :) |
| 05:04.42 | hark | crm__: check with lspci |
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| 05:05.58 | crm__ | ethernet controller: Digital equipment corportation DECchip 21142/43 (rev41 |
| 05:06.17 | crm__ | rainabba .. very similar =) |
| 05:06.32 | shogunx | crm__, that would be a tulip, but what laptop is that? |
| 05:06.44 | crm__ | its an nec versa lx |
| 05:07.06 | shogunx | anyone ver seen an alphabook? |
| 05:07.08 | crm__ | whoops.. sorry for not prefixing nics |
| 05:08.06 | scruffy | can someone point me to some good documentation on this Xresources thing? I'm finding bits and pieces everywhere, and its frustrating. :) |
| 05:08.13 | crm__ | shogunx .. so is tulip the module that i need to modprobe? |
| 05:08.36 | shogunx | crm likely. iirc there are a few varients on tulip in 2.6 |
| 05:09.13 | shogunx | give modprobe tulip a try and see what dmesg tells you. |
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| 05:10.01 | crm__ | shogunx .. fatal: not found |
| 05:10.23 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know what package provides Xgl ? |
| 05:11.11 | shogunx | crm__ no tulip module, eh? check in /lib/modules/$KERNELVERSION/kernl/drivers/net/ and see if there is a tulip directory and what is in it if so. then try bruteforce from there. |
| 05:11.33 | rainabba | What's debians equiv to switchdesk (to change window handler)? |
| 05:12.08 | shogunx | rainabba, are you using a login manager like gdm or running startx? |
| 05:12.16 | hark | NefariousPrior: Xgl is not in Debian |
| 05:12.44 | crm__ | shogunx .. nothing at all in /net except for the usb wireless dongle |
| 05:12.49 | shogunx | hark beryl coming so, tho, eh? |
| 05:12.55 | hark | rainabba: would be update-alternatives |
| 05:13.01 | shogunx | crm__ did you build that kernel yourself? |
| 05:13.05 | hark | shogunx: it's been coming for ages |
| 05:13.08 | crm__ | shogunx .. does that mean i missed a package in ... yes? |
| 05:13.20 | rainabba | shogunx: not sure actually, went with Gnome using netinstaller. How do I check? |
| 05:13.30 | liable | NefariousPrior: debian doesnt have xgl, what kind of card have you got? |
| 05:13.33 | rellik | anyone here familiar with monit? |
| 05:13.37 | shogunx | rainabba, go you get a graphical or console login screen? |
| 05:13.40 | NefariousPrior | hark: Isn't Xgl required for the cool 3d cube desktop thing? |
| 05:13.59 | shogunx | crm__ well, thats it then. you need to compile tulip |
| 05:14.08 | rainabba | shogunx: Ok, thought gdm might be graphical. Must be running startx |
| 05:14.13 | NefariousPrior | liable: I have an ATI Radeon 9000 series and a nvidia geforce2 mx400. |
| 05:14.14 | hark | not quite.. with intel, nvidia (and older ati cards) AIGLX is better |
| 05:14.21 | crm__ | shogunx .. thank you =) |
| 05:14.39 | liable | NefariousPrior: if your 9000 is supported by the free driver, you can use it with aiglx |
| 05:14.58 | crm__ | damn.. if i only knew just what this system needed so i could optimise the build =( |
| 05:15.06 | shogunx | rainabba, then you want to add a file called .xinitrc in your home directory, and put the path to the binary of the window manager you want there, then chmod 755 it. |
| 05:15.08 | liable | NefariousPrior: dunno about the nvidia, i think you need the proprietry drivers |
| 05:15.11 | hark | i don't think it's supported by the non-free driver |
| 05:15.19 | hark | ^ for the ati card |
| 05:15.33 | NefariousPrior | In any case. What package contains aiglx ? |
| 05:15.36 | shogunx | crm__ http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 05:15.37 | liable | then he needs xgl.. |
| 05:15.49 | liable | NefariousPrior: its supported in the default xorg |
| 05:16.07 | NefariousPrior | liable: So it's an xorg extension? |
| 05:16.14 | shogunx | crm__, kmuto knows:) give it a lspci -n and see what happens. |
| 05:16.15 | hark | NefariousPrior: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 05:16.20 | NefariousPrior | hark: etch |
| 05:17.08 | hark | NefariousPrior: and you would be using the free radeon drivers too, which would work with aiglx. |
| 05:17.26 | liable | just install compizzle |
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| 05:17.38 | hark | NefariousPrior: just install compiz or beryl, enable composite in your xorg.conf and that should be all |
| 05:17.59 | NefariousPrior | ok, is there a key combo or somthing to activate it? |
| 05:18.34 | hark | no, it's a wm |
| 05:19.14 | hark | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 05:19.26 | NefariousPrior | ok, thanks |
| 05:19.29 | liable | http://www.beryl-project.org/userguide.php |
| 05:20.21 | NefariousPrior | One more Q. How would this work on multiple monitor setups? hehe |
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| 05:20.59 | shogunx | NefariousPrior, xinerama and compiz/beryl do not get along too will, iirc. |
| 05:21.29 | crm__ | what package is iwconfig in? |
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| 05:22.00 | liable | wireless-tools |
| 05:22.04 | shogunx | crm__ apt-file search is your friend |
| 05:22.06 | NefariousPrior | shogunx: iirc ? |
| 05:22.14 | shogunx | if i recall correctly |
| 05:22.16 | hark | !iirc |
| 05:22.17 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 05:22.33 | NefariousPrior | oh, I thought is was an IRC client. lol |
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| 05:24.31 | hark | seems Compiz and Beryl are going to unite too |
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| 05:28.36 | lfs | So what comes after Etch? |
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| 05:29.06 | BlueParrot | my connection times out while trying to download a large package. Is there any way to make aptitude not restart the download of the package as it will just fail again ? |
| 05:29.34 | liable | you mean, not upgrade that package? |
| 05:29.54 | lfs | ^c |
| 05:30.03 | BlueParrot | no, I mean rather than restarting the download of largpackagefoo at byte 0 when it connects next time start where it left off ? |
| 05:30.25 | BlueParrot | it is the openoffice update and my connection doesn't stay up long enough to download it |
| 05:30.27 | liable | it does i thought.. |
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| 05:30.44 | BlueParrot | it doesn't seem to, it just tries that package again |
| 05:30.59 | lfs | ps x |
| 05:31.05 | lfs | kill the process |
| 05:31.08 | BlueParrot | might be because it tries different mirrors I suppose |
| 05:31.29 | BlueParrot | lfs, how would that help ? |
| 05:32.37 | lfs | You want to update but just not update this one thing? |
| 05:32.43 | BlueParrot | no |
| 05:33.08 | BlueParrot | I want that package I just want to download it in pieces since the conection dies |
| 05:33.19 | BlueParrot | 34 Meg package |
| 05:33.24 | BlueParrot | conection dies after 20 |
| 05:34.30 | lfs | I am no expert. But I think that would be hard to do. |
| 05:34.53 | BlueParrot | wget manages ... |
| 05:34.57 | lfs | THe package is downloaded gzipped. |
| 05:35.05 | BlueParrot | yea but it is just a large file |
| 05:35.20 | BlueParrot | you can continue partially downloaded files ... |
| 05:35.50 | lfs | I guess download the Deb, you need someone more skilled at Debian than me. |
| 05:36.13 | BlueParrot | mmm, can't find the right deb tho |
| 05:36.20 | Guerin | BlueParrot: use wget -c |
| 05:36.22 | BlueParrot | it needs to be the exact right version ... |
| 05:36.32 | BlueParrot | Guerin: where do I grab it from ? |
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| 05:37.05 | Guerin | BlueParrot: packages.debian.org |
| 05:37.16 | Guerin | put it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:37.21 | Guerin | and then fire your ISP |
| 05:37.36 | BlueParrot | I think it is my router actually |
| 05:37.51 | BlueParrot | have had some problems with it lately |
| 05:37.58 | liable | i thought apt used wget.. |
| 05:38.20 | Guerin | liable: nope. |
| 05:38.39 | liable | hrm |
| 05:38.48 | BlueParrot | well being able to continue partially downloaded packages would efinately be on my wish list ... |
| 05:39.00 | BlueParrot | tho I suppose I can do it manually |
| 05:39.36 | BlueParrot | oh ... wait ... |
| 05:39.44 | BlueParrot | seems it might make it this time : ) |
| 05:40.02 | BlueParrot | only 7 more meg |
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| 05:40.43 | lfs | What is the name of the package that puts up the software updates box? |
| 05:41.05 | liable | erm, thats a ubuntu app innit? |
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| 05:41.32 | scruffy | how can I find out where a font is that |
| 05:41.37 | scruffy | how can I find out where a font is that's listed in fc-list? |
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| 05:42.27 | BlueParrot | \o/ |
| 05:42.33 | BlueParrot | profit ... |
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| 05:44.39 | rainabba_ | I used used the "session" menu at my login screen to select kde, logged in, completed the wizard, but login seems to stall on the splash screen at "Starting Services". Eventually it moves past then I get a cursor and nothing more. How do i troubleshoot this? |
| 05:45.01 | lfs | I have had my home computer up for a week so far without MS WIndows. |
| 05:45.13 | scruffy | rainabba_: check /var/log/X.org.0 |
| 05:45.41 | liable | .xsession-errors |
| 05:45.50 | lfs | Debian has really improved in the last few years. |
| 05:46.33 | crm__ | would it be worth recompiling XFree to get better performance? |
| 05:46.42 | crm__ | on an pent mmx |
| 05:46.54 | Guerin | crm__: no. |
| 05:47.06 | crm__ | Guerin ta |
| 05:47.12 | BlueParrot | crm__: recompiling stuff is great for breaking the system, hence reducing performance : ) |
| 05:47.41 | BlueParrot | oooh, kernel upgrade didn't break the nvidia drivers |
| 05:47.50 | BlueParrot | debian 1 - ubuntu 0 |
| 05:48.34 | crm__ | might go do something else.. this kernel compile takes ages |
| 05:48.43 | rainabba_ | scruffy: I cleared the log then tried again. It's still empty. |
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| 05:49.51 | rainabba_ | liable: last thing that shows is: startkde: Starting up..... So it's still trying in theory? top shows init as the first item, but 0% cpu. |
| 05:52.24 | scruffy | rainabba_: ctrl+alt+backspace and see if it lets you login this time. was the last time your first start of Xorg since install? |
| 05:53.05 | liable | rainabba_: try a kde channel, i dont really know much about how it initialises |
| 05:53.16 | scruffy | rainabba_: if it doesn't let you login, alt+ctrl+F1 then `/etc/init.d/kdm restart` and see if it then works |
| 05:53.20 | rainabba_ | scruffy: I've restarted sinse install (after some odd graphic issues that looked like interlacing). I've tried c-a-bk a few times. |
| 05:53.36 | rainabba_ | k |
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| 05:55.15 | rainabba_ | scruffy: don't have /etc/init.d/kdm (or kd anything for that matter). I missing a package? |
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| 05:56.04 | oye | rainabba_: it should work just fine with gdm too. |
| 05:56.11 | scruffy | rainabba_: probably not, I was guessing at the package name.. I was checking the bts: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=kdm |
| 05:56.15 | motu | how do i mount a directory to another place, ran out of space on / |
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| 05:57.28 | shogunx | liable... bet you a dollar rainabba_ has no /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 05:57.31 | merty | When i start the "vncserver" process in debian etch it starts and when i vnc into it all i see is a black screen and cursor |
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| 05:58.04 | rainabba_ | oye: gdm is Gnome Display Manager through right? I should use it when trying to start kde? |
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| 05:59.22 | xjkx | What about that debian bsd? |
| 05:59.24 | rainabba_ | shogunx: That would be a bad bet :) |
| 06:00.09 | shogunx | rainabba, anything in it? |
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| 06:00.36 | shogunx | rainabba_, perhaps its /etc/gdm/Xsession ? |
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| 06:01.11 | shogunx | one of those gets nuked when you go from xfree to xorg. |
| 06:01.15 | oye | rainabba_: yes, you should use a display manager, I cant start kde manually, if "startkde", it gives me a bunch of errors (can't remember 'em now), but with a display manager at startup, it just works (: |
| 06:01.23 | filemover | hi i got some errors using debootstrap here is the output http://pastebin.ca.417834 can anyone help |
| 06:01.30 | filemover | thnx |
| 06:02.19 | rainabba_ | shogunx: If you mean in /etc/X11/Xsession, yes. Lots of script. |
| 06:02.53 | shogunx | hmm. maybe i was not paying close enough attention. sorry. what were the symptoms? |
| 06:03.04 | rainabba_ | oye: KDE run over a display manager doesn't it? |
| 06:03.43 | merty | filemover you mean http://pastebin.ca/417834 |
| 06:03.53 | oye | rainabba_: you mean window manager? |
| 06:05.18 | rainabba_ | shogunx: I used "session" at the login screen to switch to KDE (after running apt-get install kde), completed the wizard, and it went to login. I get the splash-screen that indicates it's initializing stuff and that last thing I see is "initializing system services" then I get a black scren with only a cursor and no menus (not even right-click). top shows no cpu activity and one of the two logs I was told to look at reports "Starting KDE |
| 06:06.00 | rainabba_ | oye: Yes I did. So now I'm not sure what you meant. What is the display manager (xfree and xorg?). |
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| 06:07.11 | rainabba_ | shogunx: Update! I now see a white bar at the bottom. Perhaps something is moving really slow. Don't see how, this is a C2D e6300 with 3GB of DDR2 533 ram. |
| 06:07.11 | oye | rainabba_: display manager, its a login interface, AFAIK, but also, I might be wrong (: |
| 06:07.18 | filemover | yep |
| 06:07.23 | filemover | sorry |
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| 06:07.56 | oye | s/login interface/graphical login interface |
| 06:07.58 | filemover | i had to resubmit it http://pastebin.ca/417837 |
| 06:08.01 | motu | help me out with mount? I want to move /opt/lampp to /usr/lampp so that files copied to /opt/lampp goes to /usr/lampp |
| 06:08.34 | filemover | can anyone help me with it |
| 06:09.00 | oye | motu: man mv |
| 06:09.20 | filemover | im installing from kubuntu and i dont think the debootstrap script took sudo into consideration when it treid to chroot |
| 06:09.28 | xjkx | Do anyone in here know about the DEBIAN project for bsd? |
| 06:09.42 | Guerin | xjkx: woo, cross-channel trolling |
| 06:09.45 | Guerin | nice |
| 06:11.02 | shogunx | rainabba_ sounds like you are missing part of kde. |
| 06:11.02 | xjkx | Guerin, LoL, you are in everywhere |
| 06:11.02 | Guerin | i am legion, yes. |
| 06:11.02 | motu | oye: im not just moving, i want to make a hard link between the directories |
| 06:11.02 | oye | my computer is too sexy for */fbsd (: |
| 06:11.53 | xjkx | Thanks god mine isn't sexy |
| 06:12.37 | oye | motu: from Wikipedia: "On Unix, hard links can be created with the link() system call, or the command ln." :P |
| 06:12.50 | merty | filemover you should probably try #ubuntu |
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| 06:12.59 | Guerin | oye: wikipedia is not a source you really want to use much |
| 06:13.14 | merty | or #kubuntu |
| 06:14.17 | oye | Guerin: my point was: "Would you want to google? please." (: and thank you for your advice, anyway. |
| 06:14.18 | filemover | i want to install debian on anothe partition |
| 06:14.26 | filemover | and move to that |
| 06:14.32 | Guerin | oye: very oblique. |
| 06:14.56 | filemover | etch is so much more advanced with support for everything |
| 06:16.38 | oye | Guerin: probably |
| 06:16.39 | filemover | ok i get it ask that lot |
| 06:16.48 | filemover | :) |
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| 06:18.19 | BlueParrot | wikipedia isn't too bad. I usually use it as a quick sumary of what the fuck protocol XFGVS is, and the references usually link to pages that explain it in more detail |
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| 06:19.22 | Guerin | BlueParrot: yep. It's great if you use it as it was intended to be used - as a bluffer's guide. |
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| 06:19.41 | swimbuddy | my knee hurts when I sit down, why? |
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| 06:20.53 | BlueParrot | swimbuddy: try 'tail /var/log/joints | grep knee' |
| 06:21.27 | gahan | Mar 31 06:39:46 breath postfix/master[6641]: terminating on signal 15 |
| 06:21.27 | gahan | Mar 31 06:40:06 breath postfix/master[18721]: fatal: epoll_create: Function not implemented |
| 06:21.29 | swimbuddy | hehe thanks |
| 06:21.52 | gahan | erm cut the terminating |
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| 06:24.16 | gahan | i've just upgraded postfix@sid to ver 2.4.0-2 and it looks like there might be something wrong -> my mail.log consists of postfix/master[18721]: fatal: epoll_create: Function not implemented. any help appreciated |
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| 06:25.36 | rollergrrl | hi hi |
| 06:25.52 | swimbuddy | booy ya |
| 06:25.59 | rollergrrl | yay ayayaya |
| 06:26.10 | rainabba_ | Looks like KDE just starts REALLY slow for me. Now it's up and seems to be working well. |
| 06:26.26 | rollergrrl | kde is icky |
| 06:26.52 | scruffy | rainabba_: what kind of machine? |
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| 06:26.59 | liable | wheres that person, aptitude *does* restart from where it left off.. |
| 06:27.12 | filemover | have the latest debian dvds got all the packages for etch on them |
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| 06:29.04 | pythonic | hi! http://deb.riseup.net/storage/encryption/dmcrypt/ says /etc/login.defs should have CLOSE_SESSIONS yes but /etc/login.defs says CLOSE_SESSIONS is obsoleted :-/ |
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| 06:29.45 | helo | i'm having a trouble selecting a mirror in the latest amd64 etch-rc2 netinst image |
| 06:30.01 | helo | always says "Downloading a file failed..." |
| 06:30.15 | helo | but i can wget http://slashdot.org just fine |
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| 06:31.05 | Guerin | helo: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 06:31.23 | pythonic | aha! http://www.howtoforge.com/encrypting_encfs_pam_script says sessions are always closed |
| 06:31.25 | helo | uhh... i get to select a mirror inside the installer... |
| 06:31.33 | scruffy | is there a decent gtk based wireless connection manager that doesn't require gnome? |
| 06:31.34 | helo | i have tried 10 mirrors so far |
| 06:31.34 | ToFeRRaDo | Any software made for ubuntu can run in debian? |
| 06:31.36 | Guerin | helo: try a different one |
| 06:31.36 | helo | should i keep going? |
| 06:31.46 | Guerin | ToFeRRaDo: no, practically none of it can |
| 06:32.07 | pythonic | ToFeRRaDo: perl, python, ruby packages, etc. might work. |
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| 06:32.23 | ToFeRRaDo | Guerin pythonic ok thanks :] |
| 06:32.26 | helo | i can switch to vterm 2 and wget anything i try, but selecting ftp.us.debian.org as my mirror fails (along with several others) |
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| 06:33.01 | helo | everything is incompatible with everything else in the open source world... you just have to get used to that |
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| 06:33.44 | pythonic | freedom is untidy, unruly and undisciplined, but it's better than the alternative :-) |
| 06:33.51 | helo | so... any recommendations? |
| 06:34.01 | helo | switch back to rc1? |
| 06:34.34 | scruffy | jeebus crisp its almost 3 |
| 06:34.37 | pythonic | rc?!? when did this happen? |
| 06:34.49 | helo | rc1 of the etch installer, i believe |
| 06:34.51 | filemover | i just think there has to be some standardization of the kernel and then the same api used but only enhanced |
| 06:35.20 | helo | there is a great deal of that. |
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| 06:37.10 | helo | oh that rocks, i just installed a basic system in like 10 seconds |
| 06:37.21 | Guerin | yep |
| 06:37.24 | Guerin | minimalism FTW |
| 06:37.34 | helo | that fucking kicks ass!! |
| 06:38.21 | helo | i need to offer some sexual favors to whoever pioneered that one |
| 06:38.21 | pythonic | 10 seconds? including answering debian installer questions? just enter-enter-enter...? |
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| 06:38.21 | pythonic | helo: a/s/l? |
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| 06:38.45 | whaleofconfusion | let's make an incendiary statement |
| 06:38.45 | helo | no, just the package installation step |
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| 06:39.04 | pythonic | whaleofconfusion: fire! |
| 06:39.16 | pythonic | napalm! |
| 06:39.37 | helo | bye |
| 06:39.50 | whaleofconfusion | white phosphorous! |
| 06:39.58 | pythonic | damn! there go my sexual favours. |
| 06:40.03 | shogunx | Chicken gumbo! |
| 06:41.02 | pythonic | holocaust! |
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| 06:46.03 | crm__ | the kernel still builds... |
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| 06:49.20 | motu | how large should the swap file for a web server be in porportion to the ram? |
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| 06:51.39 | brophat | I am using slackware but looking into debian. What do you would be an advantage of moving to debian? |
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| 06:52.12 | centrx | very good package management |
| 06:52.58 | brophat | centrx ok |
| 06:53.20 | brophat | centrx also arn't there a lot more ppl working on debian than slackware? |
| 06:53.33 | Jymmm | I've added "1280x1024" to mt XF86Config-4 and CTRL+ALT+BHSP, as well as followed this instructions http://www.debianhelp.org/node/5413 But KDE doens't allow me to go anything above 1024x768. Did I miss something? |
| 06:54.34 | Jymmm | I am NOT using a graphical login if that makes a difference. |
| 06:56.32 | Guerin | Jymmm: forget about kde, this is X you're talking about |
| 06:56.55 | Guerin | Jymmm: probably the issue is that you have set refresh and resolution ranges your display can't handle |
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| 06:57.18 | Guerin | Jymmm: suggest you check the output of hwinfo -monitor to ssee what it supports |
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| 06:57.32 | ravehanker | I'm writing a python script that mounts a usbdisk as one of it's work items on a Debian sarge. I've inserted a udev rule that will call this script. But mount complains the the new device(sda) does not exist even though i can see it after that. Can someone help me fix this |
| 06:57.41 | Jymmm | Guerin: I'm on a KVM, under win I'm running at 1920x1440 |
| 06:57.55 | Guerin | Jymmm: ok. All bets are off, then. |
| 06:58.01 | Jymmm | Guerin =) |
| 06:58.24 | Guerin | Jymmm: but it may also be thgat your refresh rates are set insanely high or something |
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| 06:58.30 | delsvr | anyone know where the systemwide Xsession var is set to run a certain window manager? the fluxbox package seemed to set it and I'd like to know where I can find it |
| 06:58.40 | Guerin | delsvr: man xsession |
| 06:59.10 | nicodim38 | anyone know when etch releases? |
| 06:59.57 | Wyzard | when it's ready :-) |
| 07:00.05 | Wyzard | which hopefully should be within the next month or two |
| 07:00.07 | delsvr | Guerin: I've gone through a lot of that and can't find it anywhere.. I've looked at nearly every file in /etc/X11 too and nowhere does it seem to be referencing fluxbox |
| 07:00.25 | Jymmm | Guerin : You know, I've never been given a option to select a monitor, just enter in specs for it. What tool should I be using for that? |
| 07:00.43 | cahoot | delsvr: is it set in /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager? |
| 07:01.48 | delsvr | cahoot: hm, yeah, seems like it =) a symbolic link at least |
| 07:02.24 | cahoot | delsvr: man update-alternatives (IIRC) |
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| 07:03.10 | Guerin | delsvr: it's not an environment variable; it's read from the xsession file |
| 07:03.27 | Guerin | Jymmm: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:03.44 | scruffy | I ask about a GUI wireless connection manager for 3 days in #debian and nobody once mentions wifi-radar. |
| 07:04.05 | Jymmm | Guerin: literally that? everything after the semicolon? |
| 07:04.21 | Guerin | Jymmm: yeah, it's a strong of commands |
| 07:04.30 | delsvr | cahoot: thanks |
| 07:04.30 | Guerin | a string, too |
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| 07:04.37 | Jymmm | Guerin thanks, will try |
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| 07:07.34 | Jymmm | Guerin ok either I mucked up copy n paste, or somethings up cause it just laughed at me. |
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| 07:08.21 | smtlaissezfaire | Anyone up? |
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| 07:09.50 | swimbuddy | gdamn im sleepy |
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| 07:13.12 | swimbuddy | how can we incorperate magic into compters, so the computer is magical? |
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| 07:13.46 | yopi | put a nerdy dwarf into it |
| 07:13.48 | pythonic | hi! i get kdm pam_mount umount of /dev/sda3 failed |
| 07:14.02 | ivx | hey i am trying to install the smp kernel but can't seem to find it in synaptic? it's in there right? |
| 07:15.13 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to tell what pkgs a pkg depends on? |
| 07:15.25 | swimbuddy | so if i wanted a taco, i'd be like computer give me a taco, and it would |
| 07:15.26 | centrx | Gokee2 it is listed in the package description |
| 07:15.33 | Gokee2 | (from the console not looking at the debian site) |
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| 07:15.58 | Guerin | Gokee2: apt-cache depends and rdepends |
| 07:16.11 | zmyrgel | is there any reason to create separate /srv and /opt partitions for a server? |
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| 07:16.27 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Ah thanks! |
| 07:16.38 | Guerin | zmyrgel: since they're for quite different purposes, yes. |
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| 07:17.07 | zmyrgel | What uses the /srv? |
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| 07:17.32 | zmyrgel | I'm trying to setup a server and I'm struggling with the partition phase |
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| 07:17.51 | zmyrgel | root on LVM on top of RAID isn't easy ... :( |
| 07:18.20 | zmyrgel | I think I skip the LVM and just use the RAID to make things simpler |
| 07:18.37 | rainabba | Any reason I should loose my network config (setup with /etc/network/interfaces) after switching to KDE? |
| 07:19.04 | rainabba | I mean the file hasn't changed, but when I boot, none of my interfaces are setup according to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:19.23 | Guerin | zmyrgel: way to make things hard for yourself |
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| 07:20.26 | zmyrgel | Guerin, well RAID-1 is a must for server use... |
| 07:20.46 | zmyrgel | The installer almost succeeds in it... it fails when mounting the LVM's |
| 07:20.59 | Guerin | well ... yeah. But lvm is just taking the piss |
| 07:21.20 | zmyrgel | It would make things easier later on if I need to resize partitions |
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| 07:21.39 | Guerin | zmyrgel: bollocks |
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| 07:21.55 | Guerin | resizing paritions isn't hard, it's just a matter of downtime |
| 07:22.39 | zmyrgel | LVM is still easier option... |
| 07:23.05 | zmyrgel | But I'm running out of time here so I think I'll skip that... |
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| 07:23.24 | zmyrgel | I have to get server up and running by evening... |
| 07:24.46 | zmyrgel | Is 1G enough for /tmp in debian? |
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| 07:28.01 | Jymmm | Guerin: Totally weird, I had to rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:28.32 | Jymmm | multiple times, this time I told it to use the highest res it gave me to choose from, and it took it. |
| 07:28.38 | Jymmm | finally |
| 07:28.56 | Jymmm | I selected 192, but gave me 1600 |
| 07:29.00 | Jymmm | 1920 |
| 07:29.10 | Jymmm | which is fine, but weird |
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| 07:32.54 | KWartS | I want to ask what is the dangerous of online using root account? |
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| 07:33.04 | KnowledgEngineer | hello |
| 07:33.18 | KnowledgEngineer | someone have a cam Hercules ? |
| 07:33.26 | scruffy | KWartS: X-Windows? |
| 07:33.50 | KnowledgEngineer | user@ubuntu:~$ lsusb |
| 07:33.51 | KnowledgEngineer | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 06f8:3003 Guillemot Corp. |
| 07:33.54 | KWartS | yup xwindow (kde/gnome) |
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| 07:34.00 | giupy | hi all |
| 07:34.15 | KnowledgEngineer | easycam tall the cam is not supported |
| 07:34.32 | KnowledgEngineer | and lsusb see the cam |
| 07:34.33 | scruffy | KWartS: in some cases something bad might run as root, which would enable it to do just about anything it wants |
| 07:34.36 | giupy | procmeter3 gives me segmentatio fault when i try to load it with smp support, is this a bug ? |
| 07:34.39 | graytron | KWartS: programs contain bugs and bugs can be used run new code and root can do everything |
| 07:35.03 | ivx | hey will the linux kernel version 2.6 automatically use my dual core processor or do i need the smp kernel |
| 07:35.11 | scruffy | KWartS: if it ran instead as, for example, user foo, then only user foo's files could get messed up and not anything else. |
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| 07:35.35 | KWartS | mmm... real bad... |
| 07:35.44 | Wyzard | scruffy: However, on a personal system, the "user foo's files" are the main thing that's important, not the OS installation |
| 07:36.00 | scruffy | Wyzard: I'd say you're right |
| 07:36.13 | KWartS | ok is there something I could read about improving security in debian? exclude HowTos |
| 07:36.30 | scruffy | Moral of the story is buy a USB or Firewire external hard drive for backup. :D |
| 07:36.57 | scruffy | KWartS: there may be something in the documentation section of debian.org. |
| 07:37.07 | Jymmm | RAID5 FTW |
| 07:37.16 | KWartS | ok I'll search it... thanks debian world... |
| 07:37.16 | Jymmm | NAS or SAN too =) |
| 07:37.19 | scruffy | KWartS: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing |
| 07:40.16 | KWartS | oh yeah, anybody here know about MDG (millennium development goals) ? Could we Debian user Improving Tech for this goal? |
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| 07:40.48 | scruffy | KWartS: I've never heard of it, link? |
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| 07:42.45 | VonFluffy | is debian unstable frozen atm? :\ |
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| 07:43.10 | streuner_ | there is stable, testing and unstable |
| 07:43.10 | Wyzard | unstable is never frozen, only testing |
| 07:43.13 | larsl | How do I get Rhythmbox to display UTF-8 filenames correctly |
| 07:43.14 | larsl | ? |
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| 07:43.15 | Guerin | VonFluffy: debian unstable is never frozen, but it is milder-mannered than usual before a release |
| 07:43.25 | scruffy | etch seems pretty fubar to me |
| 07:43.37 | VonFluffy | Guerin Wyzard: yeah i was aware of that but i am surprised it is still using gtk 2.8.x |
| 07:43.51 | scruffy | every other package I look for is missing |
| 07:44.06 | Guerin | VonFluffy: a whole lot of stuff will be updated once etch releases |
| 07:44.11 | Wyzard | scruffy: like what? |
| 07:44.16 | Guerin | scruffy: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing? |
| 07:44.22 | VonFluffy | ok cool thanks for the info |
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| 07:44.58 | scruffy | Wyzard: you had to ask! |
| 07:46.24 | scruffy | Wyzard: netcfg is one (I've been poking my eyes out over wireless. I finally settled on wifi-radar) |
| 07:46.44 | Wyzard | scruffy: Try network-manager |
| 07:47.00 | Wyzard | scruffy: (together with network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde) |
| 07:47.10 | scruffy | Wyzard: waaaaay too many deps. I'm running fluxbox on the laptop |
| 07:47.30 | schme | ivx: You need the SMP kernel. |
| 07:48.17 | scruffy | Guerin: that's a neat thing to know.. which I had known about that sooner |
| 07:48.35 | ivx | schme, i can't find it in the repo, does debian provide one? |
| 07:50.22 | scruffy | s/which/wish/ -- maybe I need to go to bed. Goodbye. |
| 07:50.32 | schme | ivx: I am sure it does. Hang on. |
| 07:50.56 | schme | ivx: I am sure because I yesterday apt-got a SMP-kernel for a box running stable. :) |
| 07:51.19 | ivx | schme i am playing with etch 64bit |
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| 07:51.58 | schme | ivx: Oh amd64? Then I do not really know. It is possible that one already has SMP support. |
| 07:52.25 | liable | post .17 they are all smp enabled |
| 07:52.42 | Jymmm | Guerin: TY BTW |
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| 07:52.58 | ivx | schme, yes it is amd64, when i do cat /proc/cpuinfo it says dual core processor, but doesn't list two processors, i dont' know if it should |
| 07:53.22 | schme | ivx: It should. |
| 07:53.25 | schme | ivx: kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp ? |
| 07:53.44 | Wyzard | linux-image, not kernel-image |
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| 07:53.54 | roger21 | yeah |
| 07:54.03 | schme | I am sure packages.debian.org says EXACTLY kernel-image. |
| 07:54.05 | Wyzard | but /proc/cpuinfo should show two entries |
| 07:54.07 | schme | It was a copy and paste. |
| 07:54.13 | ivx | schme no where in the repos i coudl find on that said smp, i looked pretty good too |
| 07:54.18 | rainabba | I'm not seeing any openssl-dev package with apt-cache. Is it under another name? |
| 07:54.30 | Wyzard | rainabba: libssl-dev |
| 07:54.37 | rainabba | ty |
| 07:54.41 | roger21 | does debian linux kernel manage ntfs rw by default ? |
| 07:54.43 | schme | ivx: As I said I dunno about amd64. Back when I was running it I was using some unofficial repos. |
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| 07:55.06 | ivx | liable so your saying the kernel should support dual core already? |
| 07:55.25 | Wyzard | ivx: I'm running etch/sid's 2.6.18 amd64 kernel on a dual-core processor and /proc/cpuinfo shows two entries |
| 07:55.43 | schme | ivx: I switched to an SMP debian kernel on a machine last week. After the switch all 4 cores showed up as seperate CPUs. It did not do that before. |
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| 07:55.47 | ivx | wyzard, i'll go do it again quick |
| 07:55.55 | hark | roger21: yes, but it's better to use ntfs-3g for that |
| 07:56.03 | Wyzard | one with "core id: 0" and one with "core id: 1" |
| 07:56.29 | Guerin | roger21: it's better to not use ntfs\ |
| 07:56.45 | roger21 | ;) sure, thx |
| 07:56.49 | Guerin | since all ntfs write support is frighteningly immature |
| 07:56.58 | roger21 | ooh |
| 07:57.02 | roger21 | not good |
| 07:57.19 | Guerin | ntfs? no. Not good. |
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| 07:57.30 | robin_sz | remember that ntfs is based on how we *think* it works ,.. we have no docs |
| 07:57.37 | ivx | wyzard, good point, i didn't bother to scroll up to see the one with the id0, i was typing crazying things in so i didn't realize it made such a long return |
| 07:57.54 | ivx | thanks gusy |
| 07:57.59 | ivx | *guys |
| 07:58.03 | hark | well, it's relatively quite safe.. the inbuilt one will only perform a write if it's safe |
| 07:58.08 | robin_sz | thank $deity that Windows doesnt have ext[2|3] support |
| 07:58.19 | Guerin | hark: that is, practically never. |
| 07:58.28 | hark | heh, yeah |
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| 08:00.17 | hark | robin_sz: well, you can get ext2 support with fs-driver.org |
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| 08:03.35 | robin_sz | hark, oh, thats bad news |
| 08:03.42 | archville | and ext3 |
| 08:03.53 | robin_sz | bugger. |
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| 08:04.41 | Axehat | Mornin' |
| 08:04.44 | Wyzard | That's OK, ext4 is on the way :-) |
| 08:04.55 | robin_sz | the fact that my dual-boot Linux/doze laptop was probably safe on the Lionux side from Doze trying to fsck about withthe partiions.. well, doesnt seem so safe now :( |
| 08:05.52 | Wyzard | Well, it doesn't have to understand the filesystem to reformat it as NTFS or something |
| 08:05.53 | hark | ext3 is backward compatible.. so it probably just mounts it as ext2 only |
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| 08:09.57 | perlmonkey | greetings |
| 08:10.03 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
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| 08:11.11 | yang | Does anyone else has problems reaching www.ebay.de ? |
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| 08:11.34 | perlmonkey | loads ok here |
| 08:11.56 | yang | It wasnt working for 5 min. works now |
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| 08:12.02 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 08:12.08 | yang | maybe they got ddosed |
| 08:12.24 | perlmonkey | they are still running windows servers, prolly needed to reboot ;-) |
| 08:13.06 | yang | they run windows ? yeah they use .dlls |
| 08:13.12 | perlmonkey | aye |
| 08:13.16 | KWartS | oh sorry... s??? this is the link of mdg... I hope debian user could implementing it for development |
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| 08:13.23 | KWartS | http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/reports/tf_science.htm |
| 08:13.28 | yang | I thought they might use Suns Java |
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| 08:13.41 | perlmonkey | I think it's a mixture |
| 08:13.57 | zu22 | what happened to trillian? can't find it in testing anymore, purged or under a new package name? |
| 08:14.04 | yang | every ebay website is linked to usa, even ebay.de |
| 08:14.10 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 08:14.38 | perlmonkey | ebay.uk is the 2nd largest ebay site next to ebay.us |
| 08:14.39 | zu22 | !trillian |
| 08:14.54 | zu22 | !find trillian |
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| 08:15.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'trillian' (4 of 5): (/usr/share/doc/ysm/contrib/YSMConvert/trillian2ysm.pl) in net/ysm ;; (/usr/share/psi/iconsets/system/default/clients/trillian.png) in net/psi ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/trillian_installed.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins ;; (/usr/share/licq/qt-gui/emoticons/msn/{trillian_lol.png|trillian_roll.png}) in net/licq-plugin-qt. |
| 08:15.36 | perlmonkey | !find troll |
| 08:15.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'troll' (6 of 40): (/usr/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl) in utils/dpkg-dev ;; (/usr/bin/DaemonController) in devel/ciao-tools ;; (/etc/tome/edit/trolls.map) in non-free/games/tome ;; (/usr/bin/mozplugger-controller) in web/mozplugger ;; (/etc/gimp/2.0/controllerrc) in graphics/gimp-data ;; (/usr/bin/somaplayer_controller) in sound/somaplayer. |
| 08:15.51 | helo | what is a good imap server? |
| 08:16.01 | helo | i'm upgrading my mail server, and looking for alternatives to courier |
| 08:16.03 | perlmonkey | what is a good ftp server |
| 08:16.16 | perlmonkey | ive always used proftpd |
| 08:16.24 | yang | perlmonk: no, i think that ebay.de is bigger than the UK |
| 08:16.29 | helo | wzdftpd |
| 08:16.31 | perlmonkey | yang: no way |
| 08:17.06 | scruffy | KWartS: looking at URL |
| 08:17.13 | yang | perlmonk: From my opinion, when i was looking for hardware, there was less stuff on .uk than .de (Germany has 80 million people) |
| 08:17.13 | scruffy | helo: dovecot, uw-imap? |
| 08:17.19 | KWartS | ok... |
| 08:17.20 | scruffy | perlmonkey: vsftpd for me |
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| 08:17.38 | helo | scruffy: either better than the other? |
| 08:18.06 | scruffy | helo: we use vsftpd because it *seems* to be very secure |
| 08:18.09 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.20 | helo | i never use ftp |
| 08:18.25 | helo | scp all teh way |
| 08:18.31 | archville | Any app to convert between CR and CRLF ? |
| 08:18.33 | perlmonkey | scruffy thanks |
| 08:18.38 | helo | dos2unix unix2dos |
| 08:18.44 | archville | helo, ok thx |
| 08:18.53 | yang | perlmonk: well, it seems that it depends on the stuff you re looking for |
| 08:18.53 | scruffy | helo: I agree with you. Other users need ftp for web stuff, you know how it is |
| 08:19.09 | crm__ | damn kernel is still building |
| 08:19.15 | crm__ | thats 2.4h |
| 08:19.16 | helo | yeah..... ftp should be banned imo |
| 08:19.17 | zu22 | anyone know what trillian is now called in Debian testing? |
| 08:19.33 | archville | helo, ¿ package name ? (if is in apt) |
| 08:19.40 | yang | zu22: Trillian McMillan? |
| 08:19.54 | helo | tofordos |
| 08:20.00 | helo | err tofrodos |
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| 08:20.09 | zu22 | yang: the messenger program obviously duh |
| 08:20.10 | perlmonkey | yang: just out of interest, go to http://pages.ebay.de/aboutebay/thecompany/companyoverview.html and see how many users eBay.de has |
| 08:20.17 | archville | found it, thanks |
| 08:20.33 | enouf | !she's dead jim |
| 08:20.36 | KnowledgEngineer | someone have the webcam Hercules Dualpix HD ??? |
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| 08:21.13 | scruffy | KWartS: I don |
| 08:21.15 | scruffy | KWartS: I don |
| 08:21.20 | yang | perlmonk: it doesnt say how many ads are online |
| 08:21.23 | scruffy | KWartS: I don't understand why that and not LSB? |
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| 08:21.30 | perlmonkey | yang: does it say how many registered users? |
| 08:21.31 | helo | why isn't 'apt-get xorg' the normal usage |
| 08:21.40 | yang | zu22: maybe it was dropped out check http://packages.debian.org |
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| 08:21.46 | yang | perlmonk: nope |
| 08:21.56 | enouf | helo: ? |
| 08:22.04 | KWartS | scruffy: LSB? acronym of... ? |
| 08:22.04 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:22.05 | Mooi | When I start bind9, I get "tarting domain name service...: bind failed!". Where can I find the error log? |
| 08:22.08 | helo | seems redundant to type "apt-get install package" |
| 08:22.13 | perlmonkey | Uk page has very detailed stats |
| 08:22.33 | enouf | why? .. there's other commands in place of install that can be used |
| 08:22.43 | scruffy | KWartS: linux standards base.. isn't that the idea of the mellennium project or no? |
| 08:23.02 | KWartS | mmm let me know it... |
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| 08:23.09 | enouf | remove, --purge remove, source, etc etc |
| 08:23.11 | scruffy | Mooi: probably daemon.log |
| 08:23.20 | KWartS | scruffy: i'll search in google |
| 08:23.25 | perlmonkey | alles klar |
| 08:23.31 | yang | perlmonk: Computer-Networking on ebay.de has 22000 ads, Computing-networking on ebay.uk has 15000 ads |
| 08:23.35 | Mooi | thanks, scruffy |
| 08:23.52 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 08:23.57 | yang | perlmonk: and UK has less citizens than Germany, its smaller |
| 08:24.04 | perlmonkey | uk has 10 million registered ebay users as of 2005 |
| 08:24.06 | enouf | w00h00 .. spam-a-licious |
| 08:24.17 | perlmonkey | 13,000 categories |
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| 08:24.39 | KWartS | scruffy: I'read the site linux-foundation |
| 08:24.50 | perlmonkey | yang: are you in east or west germany? |
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| 08:25.00 | scruffy | KWartS: yes that's it |
| 08:25.02 | yang | perlmonk: i dont live in germany, i just buy from that ebay |
| 08:25.07 | perlmonkey | oh ok |
| 08:25.35 | scruffy | I guess europe is waking up now.. I should've been asleep many hours ago. xD |
| 08:25.42 | perlmonkey | hehe yes |
| 08:25.53 | perlmonkey | the US is fast asleep |
| 08:25.56 | yang | perlmonk: and if you want to buy something , EURO is valuable less than POUND, so you can save there |
| 08:26.21 | perlmonkey | for sure |
| 08:26.52 | perlmonkey | I would trade in Euros but its expensive for shipping to UK :-/ |
| 08:27.24 | KWartS | scruffy: it seem like technical standard... in my previous link mean use linux as os for every citizen in the world (pehaps debian user groups do it locally) |
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| 08:28.06 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:28.35 | scruffy | KWartS: noble project, the problem will be convincing US business users to switch their desktops to Linux. Big hurdle :( |
| 08:28.59 | perlmonkey | i dont think Linux is ready for that yet |
| 08:29.20 | perlmonkey | it's still a fringe OS for computer enthusiasts it seems |
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| 08:29.43 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I don't think so either. My 60 year old father likes to pick on all the problems (he uses Ubuntu and Fedora Core 6) |
| 08:29.53 | perlmonkey | one would of thought Linux would of evolved much more than it has in the time it's been around :-/ |
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| 08:30.08 | perlmonkey | scruffy: phew! |
| 08:30.15 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I think it has come a long way since about 1998 or so. LONG way. |
| 08:30.22 | perlmonkey | for sure |
| 08:30.25 | KWartS | I'm linux user and use for engineering purposes linux has powerful system |
| 08:30.34 | KWartS | true multitasking |
| 08:30.38 | KWartS | clustering |
| 08:30.48 | perlmonkey | I think it needs commercial backing and money behind it to get to a state where the average user can put in a cd and use it easily |
| 08:30.49 | scruffy | KWartS: I agree, I couldn't work without it anymore |
| 08:31.09 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.19 | scruffy | perlmonkey: that's what RedHat, Suse, and Ubuntu are for though. |
| 08:31.33 | perlmonkey | it lacks the user friendly aspect of windows and it's far too technical for most people |
| 08:31.40 | perlmonkey | true |
| 08:32.06 | perlmonkey | there are some linux distros out there which claim to be as simple as windows |
| 08:32.29 | perlmonkey | but no big corps have got behind them yet and put them on hardware or marketed them? |
| 08:32.54 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I think some developers have lost the perspective of an average windows user. :) |
| 08:33.11 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:33.14 | perlmonkey | for sure |
| 08:34.03 | perlmonkey | I couldnt imagine going back to Windows tho |
| 08:34.31 | roger21 | what is the command to add a secondary group to a user w/o editing /etc/group ? |
| 08:34.52 | scruffy | perlmonkey: me either, I feel like I don't know how to debug problems in Windows due to the lack of detailed logs. |
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| 08:35.08 | perlmonkey | windows seems like a toy after using Linux eh |
| 08:35.19 | scruffy | roger21: usermod |
| 08:35.28 | roger21 | thx |
| 08:35.34 | piper69 | anyone here running asterisk? |
| 08:35.48 | perlmonkey | scruffy i'm amazed your grandfather uses linux |
| 08:36.00 | scruffy | perlmonkey: father! :D I'm 32 |
| 08:36.10 | perlmonkey | oh! apologies :-} |
| 08:36.21 | perlmonkey | i'm 35 and have young parents, i forget |
| 08:36.23 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I must be getting too old myself lol |
| 08:36.32 | scruffy | perlmonkey: ahhh |
| 08:37.02 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I don't have any living grandfathers :( Only 1 living grandmother (mother's side) |
| 08:37.15 | perlmonkey | my grandparents are all gone too :-/ |
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| 08:37.37 | perlmonkey | people die, it sux |
| 08:38.06 | perlmonkey | life seems so short, what u gonna do eh |
| 08:38.23 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 08:38.30 | perlmonkey | newkie brown |
| 08:38.46 | scruffy | perlmonkey: yeah, I should be asleep instead od drinking ale :D |
| 08:38.51 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:38.57 | crm__ | hey |
| 08:39.13 | crm__ | how do i optimise my debian kernel build? |
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| 08:39.58 | perlmonkey | what do you mean by optimise |
| 08:40.11 | scruffy | crm__: that's a difficult question.. kind of vague |
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| 08:40.22 | perlmonkey | you can compile one from source |
| 08:40.34 | perlmonkey | run modconf to load only modules you need? |
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| 08:41.12 | scruffy | crm__: `make-kpkg clean && make xconfig` is a start.. do you know specifically what hardware you have? |
| 08:41.59 | erstss | hello, i type: startx, should´nt kde start then? i get : command not found |
| 08:42.42 | hark | erstss: how did you install X? |
| 08:42.54 | erstss | apt-get |
| 08:43.10 | scruffy | erstss: I think you need xserver-xorg, but there are many different kinds. If you don't care about disk space, just install xserver-xorg (assuming you already have kde packges installed?) |
| 08:43.32 | hark | apt-get what? and are you running sarge or etch? |
| 08:43.38 | erstss | debian |
| 08:43.55 | erstss | 2.6 |
| 08:44.01 | scruffy | erstss: from sarge CDs? 3.1r5? |
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| 08:44.15 | perlmonkey | damn its cold |
| 08:44.27 | erstss | i have updated the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 08:44.48 | erstss | from 31r4 cd |
| 08:44.50 | Fenix_NBK_ | hi all ! |
| 08:44.58 | hark | install x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 08:45.12 | piper69 | Fenix_NBK_: hi |
| 08:45.14 | erstss | ok |
| 08:45.17 | scruffy | erstss: what do you see with this? `grep stable /etc/apt/sources.list` |
| 08:45.18 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 08:45.21 | Fenix_NBK_ | Is there a possibility to make a RAM dump of a specific process? and then load it? |
| 08:46.08 | scruffy | Fenix_NBK_: that's the best question I've read all day I think. |
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| 08:46.26 | Fenix_NBK_ | usage case: I'm using DOSbox emulator to play games, and some games do to support save states... |
| 08:46.27 | pythonic | hi! ummm.. is there an easy way to get bootsplash working on etch? |
| 08:46.46 | Fenix_NBK_ | I would like to "ahck" it all the way around to make saved states anyways... |
| 08:46.50 | Fenix_NBK_ | "hack" |
| 08:47.05 | piper69 | Fenix_NBK_: what is RAM dump and what you use it for |
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| 08:47.41 | helo | omg how do i stop all of the logging from ipmasq??? |
| 08:47.42 | Fenix_NBK_ | piper69: basically, I want to save all the RAM of a process to the hard disk |
| 08:47.46 | motu | where can i find xampp for 64bit? |
| 08:47.47 | Fenix_NBK_ | and then load it |
| 08:48.24 | scruffy | helo: not sure about ipmasq, but look for -j LOG in the ipmasq's files. man iptables after that. |
| 08:49.04 | helo | whew |
| 08:49.28 | scruffy | helo: iptables is really really simple.. doubt you'll have a hard time with it. |
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| 08:49.47 | helo | i've used it a decent time before |
| 08:50.02 | helo | i just coulnd't see to even read with all of the log messages |
| 08:50.07 | helo | i did a blind /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop |
| 08:50.10 | Fenix_NBK_ | scruffy: if you'll have an answer later, could you email it to me? at al4321@gmail.com |
| 08:50.15 | Trewas | Fenix_NBK_: check cryopid |
| 08:50.18 | scruffy | helo: ipmasq might have some facility to disable the logging |
| 08:50.19 | helo | heh |
| 08:50.22 | Fenix_NBK_ | Trewas: will try |
| 08:50.30 | helo | i've been looking around in /etc/ipmasq to no avail |
| 08:50.35 | piper69 | how can i go from etch to sarge |
| 08:50.37 | scruffy | Fenix_NBK_: man I have no idea on that one. :) That's new to me! |
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| 08:51.24 | helo | ohhh those are denied packets... |
| 08:51.25 | scruffy | helo: not sure of this will work, but see what `dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq` says |
| 08:51.27 | erstss | scruffy: deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main, and: deb-src ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main, and: deb http://sequrity.debian.org stable/updates main |
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| 08:52.12 | Fenix_NBK_ | Trewas: thanks, it looks promising ! |
| 08:52.28 | scruffy | erstss: you're using XFree86 instead of X.org then.. hmm been a while. |
| 08:53.12 | scruffy | erstss: connect to #debian-kde, they might be able to provide better help |
| 08:53.30 | piper69 | !sarge |
| 08:53.31 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
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| 08:54.19 | erstss | ok tnx |
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| 08:55.26 | en1gma | can someone tell me if i can install debian onto a 1 gig usb stick (i know not the full dvd) but i mean can it actualy run from a 1gig usb stick just exactly like it would with an hd-install |
| 08:55.40 | en1gma | i would have to do a minimal install for sure |
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| 08:55.52 | Teejay__ | hello |
| 08:55.56 | en1gma | hi |
| 08:56.18 | Teejay__ | I have a DVBT USB Dongle and want to be able to use it on debian |
| 08:56.30 | scruffy | perlmonkey: what the hell is marmite? :) |
| 08:56.32 | pythonic | en1gma: sure |
| 08:57.03 | en1gma | it will install (no squash FS like a live cd) i want to be able to treat this exactly like an hd-install |
| 08:57.09 | en1gma | ? |
| 08:57.15 | perlmonkey | scruffy: a delicious brown gunk which you spread on toast, yeast extract |
| 08:57.18 | scruffy | erstss: I think so, but it will be limited |
| 08:57.18 | pythonic | sure |
| 08:57.36 | scruffy | perlmonkey: related to vegemite? |
| 08:57.36 | en1gma | pythonic SWEET |
| 08:57.38 | en1gma | :) |
| 08:57.49 | perlmonkey | scruffy: ya exactly, same thing pretty much |
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| 08:58.31 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I'm filing that under the heading "never tried before" |
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| 08:59.02 | pythonic | marmite and vegemite are NOT the same! |
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| 08:59.15 | archville | ¿ What about on a 256 Mb usb stick ? |
| 08:59.40 | perlmonkey | vegemite is like thicker, and less bitter than marmite slightly |
| 08:59.41 | pythonic | archville: you're pushing your luck |
| 08:59.46 | ste | Hi all. Trying to mount via HAL a NTFS partition (not as root) I receive in KDE: |
| 08:59.47 | scruffy | archville: jeebus crisp, I'm taking a wild guess and saying no. :) |
| 08:59.58 | ste | hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-option refused uid 1000 |
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| 09:00.01 | perlmonkey | but they are both yeast extract products |
| 09:00.19 | archville | Well, DSL worked, probably debian would if customized removing almost everything |
| 09:00.38 | perlmonkey | i think vegemite is a superior product, scruffy you should try that, but spread it sparingly ;-) |
| 09:00.45 | ste | How can I give hal/udev access to sda? |
| 09:00.52 | ste | the user _is_ member of disk group |
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| 09:01.16 | scruffy | archville: removing almost everything is right, I'm running fluxbox on 1.4gb available of a 2gb disk I think. |
| 09:01.23 | pythonic | ste: member of disk group is a bit silly |
| 09:01.44 | ste | pythonic, yes, if I knew how to give access other way |
| 09:01.49 | perlmonkey | hi ste |
| 09:01.56 | ste | perlmonkey, hi |
| 09:02.13 | pythonic | what's to stop naughty code doing dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda |
| 09:02.21 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I don't think I've seen either anywhere here.. I think I'd try it actually. |
| 09:02.27 | perlmonkey | i can do all kinds of creative shit in OO Draw |
| 09:02.30 | ste | pythonic, fact is I haven't found how to configure hal |
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| 09:02.37 | piper69 | how can i downgrade if you may from etch to sarge 3.1 please |
| 09:02.54 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I'm in a fairly "rural" area of the us though |
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| 09:03.00 | perlmonkey | scruffy: i think you might like it, if you want to be 100% british puka get the little marmite jar |
| 09:03.14 | perlmonkey | the vegemite is australian copy |
| 09:03.19 | en1gma | !topic |
| 09:03.56 | ste | Where does HAL gets its permissions? |
| 09:04.55 | perlmonkey | marmite and guinness have teamed up to produce a "guinness marmite" |
| 09:05.03 | liable | marmite! eek |
| 09:05.06 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 09:05.11 | crm_ | yum |
| 09:05.15 | scruffy | perlmonkey: ok I'm in love, where do I purchase? lol |
| 09:05.23 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 09:05.58 | piper69 | how can i downgrade if you may from etch to sarge 3.1 please |
| 09:06.07 | perlmonkey | look out for the advertising posters in US "Genius or Madness?" and the jar with new black label |
| 09:06.22 | liable | piper69: you cant |
| 09:06.30 | scruffy | !downgrade |
| 09:06.30 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:06.46 | jwl | Anyone have recommendations for log analysis tools? The handbook suggests swatch/logcheck/log-analysis, just wondering about personal opinions. :) |
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| 09:07.07 | en1gma | does etch frozen = 3.1r5 |
| 09:07.21 | scruffy | perlmonkey: for the record, 3ware makes an awesome raid controller |
| 09:07.25 | perlmonkey | awstats is good, but it leans more towards apache log, however it can do mail logs and any logs if configured |
| 09:07.33 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 09:07.43 | scruffy | en1gma: I think etch = 4.0 |
| 09:07.55 | en1gma | i dont see where to grab that |
| 09:08.01 | en1gma | scruffy you have a link |
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| 09:09.12 | scruffy | en1gma: etch is testing. if you're using a sarge machine with net connection, alter /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing rather than stable. |
| 09:09.15 | perlmonkey | I wish marmite was available in little foil wrapped squares like boursin, then i could send some to all my US friends |
| 09:09.19 | jwl | en1gma: 3.1r5 is sarge/stable. http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 09:09.46 | en1gma | where is etch 4.0 (note: i dont have nothing installed) |
| 09:10.06 | pythonic | en1gma: you don't have nothing installed? |
| 09:10.10 | pythonic | so what do you have installed? |
| 09:10.11 | en1gma | windows |
| 09:10.22 | en1gma | remember this will be going to a usb stick |
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| 09:11.08 | pythonic | en1gma: does debian installer give you a choice hd/usb as install target? |
| 09:11.23 | perlmonkey | scruffy: did you get the newkie bottles or cans |
| 09:11.24 | en1gma | idk thats why i was asking earlier |
| 09:11.28 | en1gma | if it could be done |
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| 09:11.30 | GiabboO | hi room |
| 09:11.34 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 09:11.36 | pythonic | en1gma: why not try it? |
| 09:11.36 | GiabboO | or channel or community |
| 09:11.37 | GiabboO | :) |
| 09:11.39 | en1gma | i have a kanotix live cd that i can format the usb stick with |
| 09:11.39 | scruffy | en1gma: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 09:11.42 | GiabboO | perlmonkey!!! |
| 09:11.44 | scruffy | perlmonkey: bottles |
| 09:11.46 | en1gma | im trying to try it |
| 09:11.51 | en1gma | where is etch 4.0 |
| 09:11.53 | GiabboO | lol i am here because I have a problem with apt + perl :P |
| 09:11.55 | scruffy | perlmonkey: never seen cans here |
| 09:12.06 | perlmonkey | scruffy: did you ever try the cans and notice a difference? cans are rubbish! the taste isnt the same |
| 09:12.21 | perlmonkey | has to be bottles eh |
| 09:12.25 | pythonic | perl sucks |
| 09:12.30 | perlmonkey | :-| |
| 09:12.37 | perlmonkey | pythonic: wash your mouth out :P |
| 09:12.38 | scruffy | perlmonkey: guiness draught and newcastle, both bottles. I'm guessing they have 50 cent cans there? lol |
| 09:12.45 | GiabboO | I try to apt-get install slapd but it say that slapd depends on libperl5.8 |
| 09:12.53 | eightpacks | perl screwed up my holy c brain |
| 09:12.55 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 09:13.02 | pythonic | okay... perl fucks |
| 09:13.14 | GiabboO | when i try to apt-get install libperl5.8 |
| 09:13.19 | piper69 | how can i hide my ip address next to my name unaffiliated |
| 09:13.24 | perlmonkey | perl is nearly as good as marmite |
| 09:13.24 | GiabboO | it say package not integer |
| 09:13.34 | piper69 | !unaffiliated |
| 09:13.35 | GiabboO | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.35 | pythonic | marmite blows |
| 09:13.39 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 09:13.39 | en1gma | !etch |
| 09:13.40 | GiabboO | what can I do ? :p |
| 09:13.40 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:13.47 | scruffy | perlmonkey: the domestic lager here really stinks. I don't see how people drink it at all. |
| 09:13.49 | GiabboO | I dont want etch now |
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| 09:13.54 | pythonic | is it ready yet? |
| 09:14.00 | boodie | Hiyo |
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| 09:14.09 | eightpacks | hi n00b |
| 09:14.12 | perlmonkey | scruffy: i heard that, I only tried a couple of brands of US but they seem watery and lacking much flavour |
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| 09:14.22 | pythonic | !lenny |
| 09:14.22 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 09:14.29 | scruffy | perlmonkey: yes, watery |
| 09:14.31 | eightpacks | lol |
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| 09:14.42 | liable | like there beer |
| 09:14.43 | hole_ | hello |
| 09:14.56 | eightpacks | is there a story behind lenny this name? |
| 09:15.03 | perlmonkey | scruffy: i reviewed a load of real ales on my homepage, old english brands |
| 09:15.07 | pythonic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 09:15.15 | eightpacks | ty |
| 09:15.19 | hole_ | i've done a fresh install of debian now can someone here tell me how to install kde |
| 09:15.20 | perlmonkey | newkie came out ontop |
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| 09:15.42 | perlmonkey | prince charles has his own ale now which is organic and seriously strong |
| 09:15.43 | hole_ | "apt-get install kde: |
| 09:15.57 | hole_ | :=" |
| 09:16.00 | en1gma | where is etch frozen...all i see are snapshots |
| 09:16.04 | boodie | hole_: try with aptitude |
| 09:16.09 | hole_ | yea |
| 09:16.34 | pythonic | nine months for david hicks |
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| 09:16.48 | perlmonkey | what happened to that reiser guy |
| 09:16.52 | boodie | I found aptitude the easiest approach to the packages |
| 09:16.53 | perlmonkey | is he free now? |
| 09:16.59 | scruffy | perlmonkey: hey, url? |
| 09:17.03 | pythonic | perlmonkey: nine more months |
| 09:17.10 | pythonic | to be served in australia |
| 09:17.10 | boodie | prison? |
| 09:17.15 | en1gma | where is etch frozen (link please) thats all i ask |
| 09:17.17 | perlmonkey | scruffy: my server is screwed and I lost everything, raid went down :-( |
| 09:17.23 | scruffy | perlmonkey: not that I would be able to get it here in hick town though. :( |
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| 09:18.16 | perlmonkey | at least i got my db tho |
| 09:18.18 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I got the newcastle and guiness from a store called Piggly Wiggly (not kidding) |
| 09:18.18 | pythonic | backups are bad. |
| 09:18.22 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 09:18.27 | perlmonkey | Piggly Wiggly! |
| 09:18.35 | scruffy | :D |
| 09:18.36 | perlmonkey | is that an offlicense or general store? |
| 09:18.39 | pythonic | you're clinging to the past. free yourself! |
| 09:18.53 | scruffy | perlmonkey: common grocery here |
| 09:19.00 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 09:19.16 | pythonic | when i accidentely rm -fr / i thank jesus i am free from it all |
| 09:19.25 | scruffy | perlmonkey: ther |
| 09:19.26 | scruffy | perlmonkey: there |
| 09:19.36 | scruffy | perlmonkey: trigger enter key |
| 09:19.40 | perlmonkey | hehe, it is kind of liberating to lose all your data/baggage I must say |
| 09:19.43 | pythonic | oops.. deleted my spellchecker too :-) |
| 09:19.49 | scruffy | perlmonkey: there's another brand, Old Peculiar |
| 09:19.50 | perlmonkey | i feel im starting afresh now |
| 09:20.12 | perlmonkey | scruffy oh yes I know it well, i reviewed that one |
| 09:20.26 | NefariousPrior | Say I don't have resolvconf installed and I want to change from DHCP to static. Other than editing /etc/network/interfaces, what else needs to be done to resolve hostnames ?? |
| 09:20.41 | pythonic | ow crap! hicks gets nine more months, mugabe gets five more years. |
| 09:20.58 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: Are you PPP or PPPoE? |
| 09:21.04 | NefariousPrior | PPP |
| 09:21.40 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: PPP |
| 09:22.05 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: ip-up.d alters resolve.conf I think.. check out 0dns-up in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
| 09:22.28 | GiabboO | could anyone help me with slapd installation ? |
| 09:22.42 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: if you like a particular DNS IP, you might want to make resolv.conf immutable (chmod +i) |
| 09:22.50 | hole_ | i've tried with apt-get and it installed and all but when i type startx i get unable to connect with x server with a few xinit errors and /usr/bin/X11R6/X doesn't exist |
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| 09:23.17 | GiabboO | slapd: Depends: libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.4) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:23.22 | GiabboO | what can I do with this ? |
| 09:23.37 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I'll be around tomorrow. If your site comes back online, let me know |
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| 09:23.44 | perlmonkey | okies |
| 09:23.48 | en1gma | is there a good windows app that will let me format a usb stick ext2 |
| 09:24.09 | en1gma | partition and format i should say |
| 09:24.17 | hole_ | trying to boot it? |
| 09:24.25 | en1gma | i will be |
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| 09:24.37 | hole_ | does your bios support it? |
| 09:24.39 | pythonic | can debian installed partition unformated disks? |
| 09:24.46 | pythonic | s/installed/installer/ |
| 09:24.50 | en1gma | the bios boots bfat i not sure about ext2 |
| 09:24.52 | hole_ | booting from usb that is |
| 09:24.57 | en1gma | vfat* |
| 09:24.58 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: I thought /etc/ppp was just for dialup? |
| 09:25.04 | en1gma | yea it boots from usb |
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| 09:25.09 | scruffy | en1gma: not sure about windows apps, but you could boot with something like kubuntu and mkfs ext2 |
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| 09:25.32 | en1gma | will i have to delete the partition with cfdisk first |
| 09:25.37 | perlmonkey | everytime i pour out an OJ from carton it goes straight over my glass and all over the desk :-/ |
| 09:25.40 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: well you said you were using PPP |
| 09:25.43 | en1gma | or can i just make the current vfat into ext2 |
| 09:25.49 | eisen | better to keep the fs fat32 to boot |
| 09:26.01 | pythonic | OJ should be in prison, not on your desk |
| 09:26.07 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 09:26.08 | en1gma | i cant keep it fat32 to boot....i cant install debian on fat32 can i |
| 09:26.21 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: You gave me 2 options and I knew PPPoE wasn't it. |
| 09:26.30 | eisen | you put it in an image file |
| 09:26.37 | en1gma | no image files |
| 09:26.40 | hole_ | actually ive heardof people installing linux to fat filesystem |
| 09:26.44 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: you using dhcp? |
| 09:26.47 | en1gma | i want this to be like a real hd-install |
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| 09:27.00 | perlmonkey | if there was some justice in this world OJ would be banged up |
| 09:27.04 | en1gma | will the debian net-installer let me do that |
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| 09:27.13 | hole_ | probley |
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| 09:27.21 | en1gma | kool ill try that first |
| 09:27.24 | pythonic | en1gma: just do it |
| 09:27.25 | hole_ | nothing beats a failure nut a try |
| 09:27.25 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: if dhcp, the dhcp server (cable modem, router) is assigning DNS probably to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:27.29 | eleftherios | what Debian Etch kernel do I need for an Intel core duo 2 (1.8Ghz) with 3GB memory? Someone told me some kernels can not see over 1GB or Ram |
| 09:27.36 | hole_ | nut/b/but |
| 09:27.49 | en1gma | well putting debian on a fat32 sounds like im asking fro ytouble |
| 09:28.07 | pythonic | hole_: your regexp is broken |
| 09:28.07 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: DHCP is disabled on my network. It's a static IP. |
| 09:28.28 | hole_ | regexp? |
| 09:28.30 | eisen | you can mount image files rw |
| 09:28.30 | pythonic | en1gma: too right that's asking for trouble |
| 09:28.33 | en1gma | brb i gonna reboot to kanotix and format this thing |
| 09:28.36 | en1gma | brb |
| 09:28.37 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: Ok, what do you do to connect to the Intnernet? |
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| 09:28.46 | erstss | i desided to reinsall debian, i have choosen 3.1.r5 i386 netinstall, im gonna setup a apache server using ddclient for dyndns. QUESTION: when i setup hostname and domain name. should i choose the same host name and domain name as in my dyndns adress e.g.: my adress is http://test.servebbs.org : host name: test, and domain: servebbs.org. Does it matter what i choose? |
| 09:28.52 | pythonic | hole_: nut/b/but?!? |
| 09:28.57 | hole_ | pythonic : regexp? |
| 09:29.04 | scruffy | s/Intnernet/Internet/ |
| 09:29.10 | pythonic | hole_: should be s/nut/but/ |
| 09:29.15 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: Linksys router attached to cable modem. |
| 09:29.16 | hole_ | <hole> nothing beats a failure nut a try |
| 09:29.27 | hole_ | oh |
| 09:29.32 | hole_ | i see |
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| 09:29.45 | GiabboO | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:29.46 | GiabboO | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.50 | hole_ | thought you wer answering myquestion |
| 09:29.53 | GiabboO | what can I do to install libperl5.8 ? |
| 09:29.55 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: sounds like DHCP. DHCP will probably alter /etc/resolv.conf so that you can resolve IP addresses to hostnames |
| 09:30.04 | hole_ | how silly of me |
| 09:30.52 | pythonic | there are no answers |
| 09:30.58 | GiabboO | bad |
| 09:30.58 | pythonic | only questions |
| 09:31.01 | GiabboO | i need help :D |
| 09:31.20 | hole_ | i've tried with apt-get and it installed and all but when i type startx i get unable to connect with x server with a few xinit errors and /usr/bin/X11R6/X doesn't exist |
| 09:31.22 | dutchfish | linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 has unmet depandicies to headerfiles |
| 09:31.30 | hole_ | to install kde that is |
| 09:31.52 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: Thanks for the help. My resolv.conf was named resolve.conf all works fine now. |
| 09:31.53 | pythonic | hole_: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 09:32.36 | pythonic | apt-get install kdebase |
| 09:33.00 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: that's odd, it should be named reslolv.conf. Glad it works though. |
| 09:33.02 | hole_ | ooooh |
| 09:33.13 | hole_ | gotcha |
| 09:33.22 | scruffy | NefariousPrior: I meant resolv.conf |
| 09:33.25 | hole_ | thx a LOT really |
| 09:33.33 | pythonic | np |
| 09:33.35 | dutchfish | linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 also has unneeded deps on kernelsources |
| 09:34.00 | pythonic | apt-get install kdm |
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| 09:34.21 | NefariousPrior | scruffy: I know, I had it spelled with an "e". That was the problem. |
| 09:34.27 | pythonic | apt-get install pr0n |
| 09:35.02 | eleftherios | for a 64bit port of Debian Etch on an Intel Core Duo 2, what's the choice? I'm confused... |
| 09:35.21 | pythonic | hah! there is a "pornview" package. |
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| 09:35.50 | pythonic | "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for hands-free viewing." |
| 09:35.59 | hole_ | it didn't work with xserver-xorg but xserver-xfree86 worked |
| 09:36.07 | eisen | it's a good image viewer. One has to simply install it, if only for the name alone ;-) |
| 09:37.02 | pythonic | hole_: that's odd... xserver-xfree86 is a transitional package that depends only on xserver-xorg |
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| 09:37.53 | pythonic | eisen: does pornview come with sample images? |
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| 09:38.16 | pythonic | (or should i install ubuntu for those?) |
| 09:38.42 | jetscreamer | all pornview does is jpeg iirc |
| 09:38.46 | jetscreamer | it's limited |
| 09:39.15 | hark | png is where it's at |
| 09:39.45 | pythonic | hark: for pr0n? |
| 09:39.59 | pythonic | PNG = porn network graphics? |
| 09:40.13 | azeem | pythonic: no |
| 09:40.14 | pythonic | PNG = PorNaGraphic |
| 09:40.25 | hole_ | i just went through xf86config and at the end it says it cant open the filename for writing |
| 09:40.26 | azeem | pythonic: uhm, do this elsewhere |
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| 09:40.50 | pythonic | hole_: which filename? |
| 09:41.09 | jetscreamer | hole_: you do the drxx thing |
| 09:41.13 | jetscreamer | not xf86config |
| 09:41.19 | jetscreamer | and is this sarge or etch |
| 09:41.26 | jetscreamer | !drxx hole_ |
| 09:41.27 | dpkg | hole_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:42.06 | pythonic | azeem: apt-get install sense-of-humour |
| 09:42.18 | azeem | pythonic: apt-get install off-topic |
| 09:42.24 | jetscreamer | azeem has no humor |
| 09:42.27 | hole_ | fatal server error:failed to initialize core devices |
| 09:42.29 | pythonic | azeem: i have that one installed already |
| 09:42.33 | azeem | pythonic: then apply it. |
| 09:42.42 | azeem | pythonic: dpkg -L off-topic |
| 09:42.49 | jetscreamer | hole_: sarge or etch |
| 09:42.53 | hark | hole_: the mouse probably |
| 09:43.07 | hole_ | when i typed startx |
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| 09:43.24 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 09:43.26 | hark | hole_: grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 09:43.35 | jetscreamer | what you say? |
| 09:43.50 | hole_ | sarge |
| 09:43.56 | pythonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.14 | hole_ | i'm on a dell lappy if that help |
| 09:44.56 | jetscreamer | !tell hole_ -about paste |
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| 09:45.14 | jetscreamer | !tell hole_ -about lastlog |
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| 09:46.11 | jetscreamer | [03.43.28] <hark> hole_: grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
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| 09:46.21 | ofer0 | Can DDR2 sockets host DDR3 modules ? |
| 09:46.27 | hole_ | any suggestions on what i can do would be greatly appreciated |
| 09:46.43 | hole_ | oh nm |
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| 09:47.21 | jetscreamer | ofer0: i wouldn't tink so |
| 09:47.27 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 09:47.58 | ofer0 | jetscreamer, where can I check to be sure? I mean, DDR3 sockets can host DDR2 modules. |
| 09:48.30 | hole_ | it was my mouse |
| 09:48.43 | jetscreamer | !x wont start |
| 09:48.51 | jetscreamer | hmnmm |
| 09:49.45 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 09:49.46 | dpkg | looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps. also, mousedev and psmouse sometimes didn't used to get loaded after a fresh install, which would bork x, but lately they get loaded. |
| 09:50.06 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev && modprobe psmouse |
| 09:50.09 | hole_ | brb smoke maybe by then someone will say something |
| 09:50.21 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 09:50.24 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 09:50.32 | azeem | hole_: we've been saying all the time |
| 09:50.48 | jetscreamer | we're on ignore :) |
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| 09:53.09 | GiabboO | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:53.11 | GiabboO | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.16 | GiabboO | what can I do to solve this ? |
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| 09:55.22 | SpAc | I'm a bit worried. I just installed a very minimual debain for use as a server. How to I stop users being able to SU to root even if they know the password (which they wont) |
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| 09:55.30 | kynes | I cannot install XULRunner 1.8.1.3 from this source ( ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/releases/1.8.1.3/contrib/linux-i686/xulrunner-1.8.1.3.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz ) on 2.6.20-12 amd64 |
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| 09:56.53 | kynes | the system doesn't see the binary files in the package.. it shows these binary files with "ls" command |
| 09:57.01 | kynes | but cannot execute them |
| 09:57.02 | perlmonkey | tons of entries like this in my syslog: Mar 31 12:44:32 server kernel: Shorewall:rfc1918:DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:d0:2b:77:ed:54:08:00 SRC=10.18.192.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=26848 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=308 |
| 09:57.02 | perlmonkey | .. dhcp broadcast requests? how do I stop this crap |
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| 09:58.52 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 09:58.52 | dpkg | i heard printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 09:59.19 | jetscreamer | perlmonkey: ^^ iirc |
| 09:59.29 | perlmonkey | jetscreamer :-/ |
| 09:59.36 | jetscreamer | oh] |
| 09:59.50 | jetscreamer | perlmonkey: nm that's for consolespam |
| 10:00.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:00.11 | hole_ | gui |
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| 10:00.17 | SpAc | does the 15min SU expire when you log out? |
| 10:00.22 | jetscreamer | screen and gpm |
| 10:00.33 | liable | perlmonkey: /etc/init.d/sysklogd add -c 2 to the start line |
| 10:00.41 | liable | or mebbe its klogd.. |
| 10:00.42 | liable | sec |
| 10:01.12 | xand | SpAc: you can restrict su access in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 10:01.20 | SpAc | xand: thanks |
| 10:01.31 | hark | remove /bin/su ;) |
| 10:01.31 | SpAc | xand: can you enlighten me on the 15 minute timeout? |
| 10:01.40 | liable | sysklogd i think |
| 10:01.46 | perlmonkey | liable: many thanks |
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| 10:02.01 | hark | hmm, /etc/default/klogd or /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 10:02.04 | perlmonkey | liable: are those broadcasts normal then? |
| 10:02.47 | liable | perlmonkey: for shorewall, yeah |
| 10:02.48 | hole_ | mousedev gave me ps/2 mouse common for all mice and psmouse gave me cant allocate module psmouse |
| 10:03.12 | perlmonkey | liable: is this ok: binpath=/sbin/syslogd -c 2 |
| 10:03.29 | liable | perlmonkey: it is klogd |
| 10:03.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 10:03.46 | liable | perlmonkey: no, the start-stop-daemon line where it starts |
| 10:04.04 | perlmonkey | got it |
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| 10:04.17 | hole_ | mousedev gave me ps/2 mouse common for all mice and psmouse gave me cant allocate module psmouse |
| 10:04.34 | SpAc | where is sudo stuff logged? |
| 10:04.36 | roxy_ | Hi, I installed libopencv and libcv-dev with aptitude. When I tried to compile a "hello world" type program with: g++ opencv0.c -lopencv -o opencv0 I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopencv. |
| 10:04.44 | scruffy | liable, perlmonkey: /etc/default/syslogd is the best place to add options, rather than /etc/init.d/* |
| 10:04.46 | jetscreamer | hole_: try startx now |
| 10:04.52 | roxy_ | what should I do ? |
| 10:05.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:05.20 | kynes | 0 |
| 10:05.39 | liable | scruffy: i dont have a syslogd or klogd file in there |
| 10:06.06 | liable | doh, i do have a klogd.. |
| 10:06.11 | perlmonkey | scruffy: SYSLOGD="-c 2" looks ok? and why aren't you sleeping yet :P |
| 10:06.16 | GiabboO | i just ran and aptitude dist-upgrade and now my apache2 dont recognize css stylesheet .... |
| 10:06.16 | hole_ | now my logs dont say anything about mice |
| 10:06.19 | GiabboO | whats wrong ? |
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| 10:06.37 | scruffy | liable: I have a klogd in there.. |
| 10:06.39 | GiabboO | how can I check what the aptitude just update? |
| 10:06.39 | liable | perlmonkey: its klogd you want |
| 10:06.47 | liable | scruffy: yeah, i am blind |
| 10:06.49 | perlmonkey | bugger |
| 10:06.55 | scruffy | perlmonkey: lady woke up :) |
| 10:07.22 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I've got to go soon xD |
| 10:07.25 | cromo | hi. I remember that some time ago I used some local MTA that would only deliver the locally send mails (e.g. by daemons) to local mailboxes. I can't find it now, any idea what is/was it? |
| 10:07.32 | perlmonkey | liable: thanks, im done now I think |
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| 10:08.08 | perlmonkey | ahh thats better |
| 10:08.12 | perlmonkey | my log is much quieter now |
| 10:08.39 | hole_ | (WW) Warming (EE) Error (NI) Not Implimented (??) unknown (II) loading exension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
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| 10:11.15 | hole_ | whatcha think causes this |
| 10:11.15 | roxy_ | where can I find doc on g++ ? there isn't man g++. |
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| 10:11.16 | GiabboO | how can I check wich package was updated at my least dist-upgrade ? |
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| 10:12.33 | scruffy | roxy_: apt-get -u install gcc-3.3-doc |
| 10:12.44 | scruffy | roxy_: includes docs on g++ |
| 10:12.58 | GiabboO | oi |
| 10:13.13 | KnowledgEngineer | someone e a webcam: Hercules Dualpix HD ? |
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| 10:14.17 | en1gma | i installed debian to the usb pen drive but it dont want to boot |
| 10:14.23 | en1gma | do i need to have a boot flag? |
| 10:14.59 | xand | does your bios support booting from usb? |
| 10:15.07 | bkw | Is power management/fan control for centrinos well supported in the kernel now? I know I've had problems with my fan on the laptop working all the time even if speedstep decrese the cpu clock to lowest. I have a centrino 1.8G. The behavior running Windows on the laptop is different, the fan shuts off when not needed. |
| 10:15.07 | scruffy | en1gma: it probably needs to have /boot on it with bootflag = on |
| 10:15.08 | xand | and is it set to do so |
| 10:15.09 | en1gma | yep i set it all up in bios |
| 10:15.28 | hole_ | (WW) Warming (EE) Error (NI) Not Implimented (??) unknown (II) loading exension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 10:15.33 | en1gma | maybe it dont like the ext3 FS but my Q was do i need a boot flag |
| 10:15.38 | hole_ | when i typed startx |
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| 10:15.51 | xand | en1gma: well yes |
| 10:15.51 | perlmonkey | sheesh, how do I edit my login profile, I forgot |
| 10:16.01 | scruffy | hole_: looks like normal to me |
| 10:16.14 | en1gma | when i used the debian-installer everything said defaults and boot was off so i left it off |
| 10:16.23 | scruffy | perlmonkey: ~/.bash_profile |
| 10:16.31 | en1gma | shouldnt it set it to on like the rest of the defaults if it is needed |
| 10:16.39 | perlmonkey | scruffy: is that the same place to add aliases? |
| 10:16.47 | hole_ | i think i figured it out |
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| 10:17.18 | scruffy | perlmonkey: sure, my .bashrc is `source .bash_profile` and it contains my aliases |
| 10:17.21 | en1gma | will it mess up anythig if i go and change the boot flag? |
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| 10:17.31 | en1gma | will i have to delete partition and reinstall |
| 10:17.31 | perlmonkey | scruffy: cool, thanks |
| 10:17.36 | en1gma | or can i just change it and reboot |
| 10:17.45 | scruffy | anordby: mbr has to know that it is bootable I think |
| 10:18.09 | hole_ | x still wont start |
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| 10:18.26 | scruffy | en1gma: if you change boot flag it will be ok unless you have windows installed on that haddisk |
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| 10:18.43 | en1gma | i also put grub on /dev/sde1 cause it seen one of the drives in my raid and wanted it there but i changed location to usb stick |
| 10:18.51 | en1gma | scruffy thnx |
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| 10:19.03 | hole_ | maybe if i reinstall |
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| 10:19.24 | perlmonkey | scruffy: strange that file doesn't exist on my sys |
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| 10:19.58 | en1gma | brb going to change boot flag |
| 10:20.11 | scruffy | perlmonkey: you mean ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 10:20.25 | GiabboO | how can I check wich package was updated at my least dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:20.31 | perlmonkey | scruffy: i'm using ssh, and I want to have aliases like before :-/ |
| 10:20.32 | scruffy | perlmonkey: .bashrc should be ok -- you an add aliases there |
| 10:21.02 | hole_ | i knew i shouldn't have swiched to debian |
| 10:21.10 | perlmonkey | is the syntax for aliases like this: alias=somename 'command line |
| 10:21.18 | ofer0 | hole_, we don't care |
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| 10:21.32 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 10:21.42 | scruffy | perlmonkey: e.g. alias cp='cp -v' |
| 10:21.47 | ofer0 | hole_, use windows 95, use vista, use whatever the fuck you want. but don't come here and flame us. |
| 10:21.54 | hole_ | and how can you speak for everyone here ofer0 |
| 10:21.57 | perlmonkey | when I opened my profile before (was called something 'rc') it had stuff in it, like for colors on ls etc |
| 10:22.05 | perlmonkey | maybe I am thinking of a different file? |
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| 10:22.11 | scruffy | perlmonkey: .bashrc? |
| 10:22.16 | hole_ | i havent,i LOVE linux |
| 10:22.20 | perlmonkey | mine is empty :-/ |
| 10:22.25 | roxy_ | scruffy: thanks |
| 10:22.51 | ofer0 | hole_, goody. you not getting the help you are expecting doesn't say anything about Debian. |
| 10:22.56 | scruffy | roxy_: hope it helps |
| 10:23.10 | pythonic | hole_: try ubuntu |
| 10:23.23 | pythonic | debian is not for noobs |
| 10:23.58 | pythonic | (or kubuntu) |
| 10:24.02 | advorak | wow harsh stuff going on here .. :-\ |
| 10:24.06 | ofer0 | hole_, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:24.14 | perlmonkey | success! |
| 10:24.22 | ofer0 | try with different parameters until X is running. |
| 10:24.24 | pythonic | advorak: harsh?!? |
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| 10:24.52 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 10:25.08 | pythonic | anapivirtua_: woof |
| 10:25.10 | scruffy | perlmonkey: ~/.bash_profile is for login shells |
| 10:25.24 | perlmonkey | the more you do something, the more you remember and the easier it becomes |
| 10:25.35 | scruffy | perlmonkey: :) |
| 10:25.50 | perlmonkey | scruffy: thanks, I think I can work with that I got my aliases working, just need to figure out how to make colours and stuff |
| 10:26.19 | scruffy | perlmonkey: alias ls='ls --color' |
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| 10:26.41 | perlmonkey | many thanks |
| 10:26.58 | perlmonkey | woohoo |
| 10:27.03 | scruffy | perlmonkey: see man 1 dircolors |
| 10:27.10 | perlmonkey | i added an alias for ls |
| 10:27.27 | perlmonkey | alias ls='ls -all --color' |
| 10:27.31 | perlmonkey | i just love aliases |
| 10:27.38 | perlmonkey | saves loads of time |
| 10:27.58 | SpAc | what package do I need to be able to use the 'mail' command? |
| 10:28.13 | jduggan_ | mailx? |
| 10:28.28 | scruffy | SpAc: mailx |
| 10:28.59 | scruffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.00 | SpAc | scruffy: thanks |
| 10:30.47 | perlmonkey | floppy disks are good for quick backups |
| 10:31.02 | perlmonkey | very underrated IMHO |
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| 10:31.41 | jduggan_ | quick backup of what, 1 .txt file? |
| 10:31.42 | jduggan_ | :P |
| 10:31.46 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 10:32.07 | perlmonkey | well you could fit all your /etc configs on a floppy eh |
| 10:32.13 | scruffy | perlmonkey: my .bashrc/.profile_profile: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5902 |
| 10:32.16 | perlmonkey | maybe a few websites |
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| 10:32.42 | en1gma | well it says i have a missing OS |
| 10:32.47 | perlmonkey | floppy is arguable more durable/long lasting than cd media eh |
| 10:32.50 | en1gma | so i just gonna hold off for a bit |
| 10:33.00 | en1gma | i havent been to bed yet and its 5:30an |
| 10:33.02 | en1gma | am* |
| 10:33.13 | perlmonkey | you must be shattered en1gma |
| 10:33.40 | scruffy | perlmonkey: of course I meant .bash_profile rather than .profile_profile :) |
| 10:33.48 | en1gma | got to love the people here |
| 10:33.51 | en1gma | :) |
| 10:33.53 | jduggan_ | perlmonkey: arguably, yes, although if you kept both safe and scratch free, cd would lat longer |
| 10:33.54 | perlmonkey | scruffy: phew. do you have a backup? |
| 10:34.00 | jduggan_ | last* |
| 10:34.07 | scruffy | perlmonkey: lol why? yes! |
| 10:34.37 | perlmonkey | jduggan_: ok, I just bought some good cd storage cases so I should be ok |
| 10:34.38 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 10:35.04 | scruffy | perlmonkey: don't make me any more paranoid :D |
| 10:35.13 | perlmonkey | hehe i lost everything, 3 years of work/data so im paranoid and over zealous now when it comes to backups |
| 10:35.17 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 10:35.37 | en1gma | n8 all |
| 10:35.51 | jduggan_ | perlmonkey: disk failure? |
| 10:35.59 | perlmonkey | one can never have too many pairs of socks or too many backups, isnt it |
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| 10:36.30 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I have an external firewire drive and I use rsnapshot. Highly recommended for backup. |
| 10:36.34 | perlmonkey | jduggan_: I [foolishly] tried to expand/grow a raid5 (soft) |
| 10:36.42 | jduggan_ | perlmonkey: aha |
| 10:36.43 | perlmonkey | and it came apart |
| 10:37.27 | jduggan_ | that sucks |
| 10:37.55 | jduggan_ | get yourself a tape drive |
| 10:38.02 | jduggan_ | :p |
| 10:38.25 | perlmonkey | i was looking at a good backup strategy and mentioned tape drives but someone said they are not much good anymore and usb drives is where it's at? |
| 10:39.07 | jduggan_ | shrug |
| 10:39.12 | jduggan_ | depends on your requirements |
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| 10:39.19 | perlmonkey | in the end i managed to pickup a 72GB scsi hdd (same size as my new raid) for a bargain price so I will dedicate that to backup I think |
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| 10:39.40 | perlmonkey | my data storage is fairly modest compared to most peoples I think |
| 10:39.50 | borizz | perlmonkey: how many GB? |
| 10:40.09 | jduggan_ | if its a workstation ur backin up, i'd personally put a dvdrw in it and write some scripts to do nightly backups |
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| 10:40.14 | perlmonkey | my raid is 72GB at present but I may expland it to 96GB |
| 10:40.18 | perlmonkey | *expand |
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| 10:40.25 | borizz | perlmonkey: thats modest indeed |
| 10:40.31 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 10:40.54 | jduggan_ | you want to backup all 72gb? |
| 10:40.58 | perlmonkey | I am using scsi for speed and performance rather than mass storage, as it's a production server running mysql/websites |
| 10:41.06 | borizz | ah... |
| 10:41.08 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 10:41.36 | borizz | well, a simple way to backup it is to buy a 80 gb ata drive for the price of a used piece of dental floss and a banana. |
| 10:41.48 | perlmonkey | i just installed mythtv so I think possibly the raid wont be sufficient for needs shortly and I may have to get a sata 400GB for my workstation |
| 10:41.56 | borizz | and copy all the data on it... :) |
| 10:41.58 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:42.21 | perlmonkey | my workstation is scsi tho so I will need a sata controller card |
| 10:43.20 | perlmonkey | soo... |
| 10:43.25 | scruffy | g'night finally ;) |
| 10:43.26 | perlmonkey | which raid to use now eh |
| 10:43.35 | perlmonkey | g'nite scruffy thanks for all your help |
| 10:43.59 | scruffy | erstss: see ya tomorrow some time. have a good day! |
| 10:44.14 | perlmonkey | war what do you use? |
| 10:44.15 | war | 327MB/s for 4 raptor x raid0 and 210MB/s for 4 raptor x raid5 |
| 10:44.24 | war | and a raid1 dual raptor boot |
| 10:44.28 | war | highly optimized |
| 10:44.29 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 10:44.34 | war | :) yup |
| 10:44.39 | perlmonkey | did you ever try and expand your raid5? |
| 10:44.57 | perlmonkey | thats something I never want to make the mistake of trying again |
| 10:45.04 | war | yes sir |
| 10:45.10 | perlmonkey | so my new raid needs to be able to cope with future expansion |
| 10:45.10 | war | I expanded from 1.8TB to 3.3TB. |
| 10:45.19 | war | I bought another 4-5 400GB HDDs. |
| 10:45.26 | war | perlmonk: that depends sir. |
| 10:45.32 | perlmonkey | yes? |
| 10:45.35 | war | perlmonkey: do you use PCI cards for expansion? |
| 10:45.48 | perlmonkey | no, i have a proper scsi raid server |
| 10:45.58 | war | how is the SCSI raid connected? |
| 10:46.01 | perlmonkey | hotswap drives |
| 10:46.03 | war | no |
| 10:46.06 | war | to the motherboard |
| 10:46.08 | war | 33mhz/PCI ? |
| 10:46.11 | war | or PCI-X 133mhz? |
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| 10:46.40 | perlmonkey | the raid is directly connected to the mb via ultrawide scsi cable |
| 10:46.48 | war | cute ;P |
| 10:46.51 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 10:46.52 | war | but you wont get good speeds with that |
| 10:47.01 | war | the parallel bus Is too slow (SCSI) to cope |
| 10:47.02 | perlmonkey | it seems fast enough for my requirements |
| 10:47.05 | war | that is why vendors are moving to SAS |
| 10:47.12 | war | perlmonkey: thats all that matters then :) |
| 10:47.21 | war | I want 500MB/s. |
| 10:47.27 | war | I am migrating to an all-raptor raid5. |
| 10:47.34 | war | As they go on sale etc, so far I have 4, going to 6 soon. |
| 10:47.39 | war | Goal = 10 raptor x raid5 |
| 10:47.50 | perlmonkey | you're a bit high level for me, i need someone on my level to discuss the pros and cons of soft raid levels :P |
| 10:47.54 | war | So far I have 210-240MB/s with RAID5. |
| 10:48.00 | war | perlmonkey: ask specific questions |
| 10:48.04 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:48.04 | war | perlmonkey: get specific answers |
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| 10:48.53 | abstruck | hi |
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| 10:49.49 | war | perlmonkey: what do you need or want to know? |
| 10:49.56 | war | perlmonkey: how many drives do you have? |
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| 10:50.02 | war | perlmonkey: what are your requirements? |
| 10:50.07 | war | perlmonkey: what are you looking to do? |
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| 10:51.15 | perlmonkey | undecided, considering options at this stage |
| 10:51.30 | war | perlmonkey: is this for personal use or a business ? |
| 10:51.36 | perlmonkey | biz |
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| 10:52.25 | war | ok |
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| 11:01.10 | archville | ¿ What to install to have compression integrated in nautilus ? |
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| 11:04.59 | SpAc | is there any good alternatives to mailman? |
| 11:05.04 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 11:05.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Looked in the man page, but it was a bit too complex. |
| 11:05.09 | perlmonkey | Mar 31 13:53:06 server kernel: Shorewall:rfc1918:DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:d0:2b:77:ed:54:08:00 SRC=10.18.192.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=336 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=54019 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=316 |
| 11:05.18 | perlmonkey | still getting these entries in syslog :-/ |
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| 11:05.54 | pythonic | perlmonkey: bootp |
| 11:06.47 | perlmonkey | what is that? theres no man entry for it |
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| 11:06.59 | pythonic | grep 68 /etc/services |
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| 11:07.08 | mike1o | !it |
| 11:07.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 11:07.31 | pythonic | and grep 67 /etc/services for that matter... |
| 11:07.36 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:07.44 | perlmonkey | is it possible to stop the logging at least? |
| 11:07.50 | pythonic | 10.18.192.1 is sending udp packets from port 67 to port 68 on your machine |
| 11:07.51 | wols | perlmonkey: what has port 57/udp on 10.18.192.1? |
| 11:08.00 | pythonic | perlmonkey: sure. |
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| 11:08.14 | perlmonkey | pythonic: is that normal/required? |
| 11:08.20 | wols | perlmonkey: you were told time and again to learn about iptables. "no, shorewall is good enough for me"... |
| 11:08.35 | wols | *port 67/udp that is |
| 11:08.38 | pythonic | somewhere you have iptables --dport 68 -j LOG ; iptables --dport 68 -j DROP |
| 11:08.41 | SpAc | I've been using mailscanner, but not really happy with its performance, what's a good alternative? |
| 11:08.52 | pythonic | s/iptables/iptables -A INPUT/g |
| 11:09.01 | perlmonkey | I dont see that rule in my shorewall rules :-/ |
| 11:09.17 | wols | pythonic: he has a rule that logs pretty much evreything |
| 11:09.22 | wols | not just that port |
| 11:09.26 | pythonic | hmm.. perhaps you have a more general iptables -A INPUT -j LOG ; iptables -A INPUT -j DROP |
| 11:09.52 | pythonic | and iptables -A INPUT -j DROP might be iptables -P INPUT DROP instead |
| 11:09.59 | perlmonkey | net all DROP info |
| 11:10.07 | perlmonkey | everything dropped is logged eh |
| 11:10.21 | perlmonkey | from the net |
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| 11:11.20 | pythonic | 10.18.192.1 is a private network address |
| 11:11.36 | perlmonkey | perlmonkey: /etc/init.d/sysklogd add -c 2 to the start line |
| 11:11.44 | perlmonkey | this should of stopped it |
| 11:11.48 | wols | pythonic: how about killing the daemon which does the bootp queries? |
| 11:12.05 | perlmonkey | is it necessary to have bootp queries even? |
| 11:12.15 | perlmonkey | cant we just disable the whole damn thing |
| 11:12.18 | wols | depeends what you're doing |
| 11:12.20 | wols | !bootp |
| 11:12.21 | dpkg | well, bootp is an old and somewhat clunky way of getting a box up and running |
| 11:12.22 | pythonic | who is 10.18.192.1? |
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| 11:12.31 | perlmonkey | thats not even a valid IP |
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| 11:12.36 | perlmonkey | US naval |
| 11:12.40 | pythonic | it's a private network address |
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| 11:13.07 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:13.13 | anvo | Vmware asks me what is the location of the "gcc" program? Where is gcc usually located at...? |
| 11:13.15 | pythonic | is this at work? |
| 11:13.17 | perlmonkey | we need to remove bootp eh |
| 11:13.29 | wols | !tell anvo about search |
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| 11:13.47 | anvo | wols: sorry? |
| 11:13.51 | perlmonkey | pythonic yes |
| 11:14.04 | pythonic | are you the sysadmin of 10.18.192.1? |
| 11:14.05 | wols | anvo: you got a PM |
| 11:14.14 | wols | !tell anvo about build-essential |
| 11:14.30 | perlmonkey | pythonic: I dont even use that private network I use 192.168.0.0 |
| 11:14.50 | perlmonkey | its baffling |
| 11:14.57 | anvo | Don't understand that! |
| 11:15.02 | anvo | Be more specific! |
| 11:15.04 | pythonic | perlmonkey: you have eth0 and eth1? |
| 11:15.24 | pythonic | $ /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:15.24 | anvo | What's a PM...? |
| 11:15.49 | vlt|l | "scanimage --device-name" tells scanimage which device to use. Do I have to prepend something like "10.0.0.1://" to it? |
| 11:15.51 | pythonic | anvo: private message |
| 11:15.58 | anvo | OK |
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| 11:16.07 | pythonic | or prime minister |
| 11:16.16 | maddash | holy crap, google wants my phone number |
| 11:16.32 | pythonic | or post meridiem |
| 11:16.57 | anvo | PrimeMinister... |
| 11:16.58 | maddash | this is just freaky, to say the least |
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| 11:17.01 | pythonic | or perl module |
| 11:17.04 | anvo | Well... |
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| 11:17.09 | wols | anvo: it's a private message |
| 11:17.19 | anvo | Where is usually gcc located at...? |
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| 11:17.27 | pythonic | which gcc |
| 11:17.28 | wols | anvo: which irc client? |
| 11:17.39 | anvo | gaim |
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| 11:18.05 | wols | somewhere there is a window with 2 messages from dpkg for you. there is your answer |
| 11:18.12 | jaski | Hi there, I'm running a standard 2.6.8-3-686 kernel on a 367 MHz Celeron, with old usb. Can anyone please tell me how I format and access a 1GB Avixe Platinum Blue Drive (usb 2.0)? |
| 11:18.14 | wols | especially the 2nd msg |
| 11:18.25 | anvo | let me check again |
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| 11:18.30 | perlmonkey | pythonic: sorry, yes I have eth0 and eth1 setup, 2 interfaces |
| 11:18.31 | wols | !tell jaski about usb-storage |
| 11:18.53 | vlt|l | Prepending saned's ip doesn't work. How to tell scanimage where the saned listens? |
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| 11:19.28 | perlmonkey | pythonic: I got eth1 connected to cable modem, and eth0 is my inward card connected to router |
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| 11:20.15 | jaski | wols: where can I find it (usb-storage isn't on my system)? |
| 11:20.24 | wols | kick your ISP for having shitty routers that route private IP blocks |
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| 11:20.46 | wols | jaski: if you run a debian kernel it is |
| 11:20.48 | perlmonkey | wols: I got that router myself :P |
| 11:20.59 | wols | perlmonkey: no you don't |
| 11:21.12 | anvo | I apt-get install build-essential, but vmware keeps asking me the same question? Should I kill the vmware installation script? |
| 11:21.23 | perlmonkey | wols: how do you know |
| 11:21.32 | wols | anvo: ask #vmware. vmware is not supported here |
| 11:21.34 | wols | !vmware |
| 11:21.35 | dpkg | i heard vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 11:21.55 | wols | perlmonkey: cause I can read iptables log lines |
| 11:22.00 | anvo | So formal!!! |
| 11:22.19 | wols | unless the router ocnnectect to your eth1 on the other side is owned by you too |
| 11:22.45 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 11:23.00 | jaski | wols: nope, all I seem to have is qc-usb-{source,utils}, which aren't installed yet, and yes, I'm running debian |
| 11:23.02 | maddash | what's a P.O.S.? |
| 11:23.10 | perlmonkey | sorry, I got confused..I see you're referring to cable modem as "router" |
| 11:23.12 | wols | jaski: usb-storage is a kernel module |
| 11:23.12 | maddash | !autofs |
| 11:23.12 | dpkg | [autofs] a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
| 11:23.19 | perlmonkey | to me that is not a router |
| 11:23.22 | wols | maddash: piece of shit |
| 11:23.25 | perlmonkey | it's a modem |
| 11:23.45 | wols | perlmonkey: does it have the IP 10.x.x.x? |
| 11:23.52 | perlmonkey | no |
| 11:23.54 | HostilePenguin | point of sale :O |
| 11:24.25 | wols | perlmonkey: does the modem even have an IP? |
| 11:24.28 | perlmonkey | wols: I think it's 192.168.1.100 |
| 11:24.42 | wols | perlmonkey: which is why it's your ISP and not you who is to blame |
| 11:24.48 | perlmonkey | oh ok |
| 11:24.59 | perlmonkey | im glad I'm not to blame ;-) |
| 11:25.01 | wols | unless the cable modem has the 10.x.x.x IP (devices can have more than one IP...) |
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| 11:25.58 | jaski | wols: lsmod doesn't show it and /sbin/insmod usb-storage just says No such file etc. |
| 11:26.09 | wols | !tell jaski about grounding |
| 11:26.10 | perlmonkey | so basically you're saying the 10.x IP connects is normal, but my router can't allow it and I have to deal with the logging as a separate issue? |
| 11:26.14 | wols | !tell jaski about modprobe |
| 11:26.25 | perlmonkey | or should I disable the connects completely |
| 11:26.26 | abstruck | hi all, is there anyone having an acx100-based wifi card |
| 11:26.40 | perlmonkey | abstruck: i do, and I'm about to install it |
| 11:26.45 | wols | perlmonkey: they are not malicious but at the same time are normal |
| 11:26.51 | perlmonkey | D-Link 650+ |
| 11:26.54 | wols | !tell abstruck about anyone |
| 11:27.09 | abstruck | perlmonkey: mine is G650+ too |
| 11:27.13 | perlmonkey | wols: normal, or not normal? |
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| 11:27.33 | wols | perlmonkey: not normal I guess :) |
| 11:27.34 | wols | sry |
| 11:27.57 | perlmonkey | abstruck: http://stef.tvk.rwth-aachen.de/~nazgul/debian/DWL-650+_Howto.html <-- I managed to get mine working by following this |
| 11:28.21 | perlmonkey | wols: do you know how I can stop it? |
| 11:28.41 | wols | find the server that calls it and stop that supid bootp daemon |
| 11:28.52 | wols | if the server is outside your netwrok: tell your ISP. good luck |
| 11:28.53 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:28.59 | perlmonkey | my server is right here |
| 11:29.00 | vlt|l | It's `scanimage --device-name net:10.0.0.1:hpaio:/usb/...` in my case. Solved. |
| 11:29.26 | perlmonkey | so bootp is not even needed and can be removed? |
| 11:29.28 | jaski | wols: grounding??, otherwise, modprobe usb-storage loaded it without complaint. How do I address it? |
| 11:29.31 | wols | perlmonkey: you lied before? you said you have no server with 10.18.x.x. IP |
| 11:29.46 | perlmonkey | wols: sheesh, now Im confused |
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| 11:29.54 | wols | jaski: grounding means you lack the necessary skills to run a debian box. grounding tries to remedy that |
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| 11:30.07 | wols | and the usb-storage factoid alread told you what to do |
| 11:30.18 | abstruck | perlmonkey: I followed the same howto... but is wpa supported? |
| 11:30.29 | wols | abstruck: only with wpa_supplcant |
| 11:30.30 | perlmonkey | abstruck: I am not sure |
| 11:30.40 | abstruck | wols: ok, thank you |
| 11:30.53 | jaski | wols: my first linux kernel was a 0.99 slackware :) |
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| 11:31.13 | wols | jaski: then you haven't learned shit over the years. insmod/modprobe probelms are very basic ones |
| 11:31.41 | wols | perlmonkey: do you understand what the iptables line tells you? |
| 11:31.51 | wols | the log line that is? |
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| 11:32.13 | perlmonkey | I don't understand iptables at all or have anything to do with it |
| 11:32.16 | perlmonkey | I use shorewall |
| 11:32.22 | wols | perlmonkey: that is BS |
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| 11:32.27 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:32.35 | wols | if you want to use shorewall you need to know about iptables to configure it |
| 11:32.46 | wols | otherwise this tool is danngerous to you and you#re unfit to use it |
| 11:32.58 | perlmonkey | well I managed to configure mine without understanding iptables or even looking at an iptables howto |
| 11:33.01 | pythonic | unworthy! unworthy! |
| 11:33.04 | perlmonkey | so how do you explain that? |
| 11:33.05 | wols | kinda like a power saw: unless you know how to use it, you don't. otherwise missing fingers might ensue |
| 11:33.28 | wols | you actually didn't manage to since you have to ask for everything here |
| 11:33.36 | wols | and you blindly follow a premade howto |
| 11:33.42 | perlmonkey | I find the shorewall howto and comments in the config files perfectly sufficient for a new user with zero iptables experience to setup, and get a working firewall |
| 11:33.52 | wols | it's not you who can do it but the owtoo editor |
| 11:33.56 | pingouin | j4 |
| 11:34.06 | perlmonkey | im not asking for everything tho |
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| 11:34.20 | jaski | wols: I've just never used usb b4. Do I really address it as /proc/bus/usb/001/001? |
| 11:34.33 | wols | it is not a firewall since you don't know if it keeps out the baddies or not. you hope and think it does, but you don't know |
| 11:34.34 | perlmonkey | all I am asking is how to stop the log entries for the 10.18.192.1 connects on port 68 |
| 11:34.53 | perlmonkey | wols: i do know, because I have tested it and fine tuned it |
| 11:35.15 | wols | jaski: who told you about that /dev node? besides: read up about on /devfs if you use it |
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| 11:35.44 | wols | and I and pythonic gave you ways how to accomplish it. and you ignored both |
| 11:35.48 | perlmonkey | wols: is it something I should be doing in my firewall (blocking the connects and the logging) or should I leave the connects alone, and just disable logging elsewhere? |
| 11:36.09 | perlmonkey | you said earlier the connects were not normal |
| 11:36.15 | wols | perlmonkey: ideall (imho) neither. |
| 11:36.36 | wols | yes cause if you said the trutht, your ISP is not supposed to forward them to you |
| 11:36.46 | wols | as pythonic said: private netblock |
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| 11:36.58 | jaski | wols: mount says "usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)" |
| 11:37.15 | wols | and if it is actually your ISP, then you should also configure your firewall for your 192.1.68/16 network accordingly |
| 11:37.30 | wols | jaski: again: what is a usbfs? |
| 11:37.33 | wols | !usbfs |
| 11:37.53 | wols | jaski: it being inside /proc should give you a hint |
| 11:37.59 | wols | and lastly: what do you care about it at all? |
| 11:38.27 | wols | btw: ignore what I said about devfs since I overlooked the /proc part of the "address" |
| 11:38.41 | wols | I ASSumed one beginning with /dev |
| 11:38.51 | jaski | wols: usb file system, obviously |
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| 11:39.09 | pythonic | perlmonkey: a minimalistic iptables script for you: http://pastie.caboo.se/50786 |
| 11:39.11 | wols | jaski: what is a usb filesystem? can yous tore files on it? |
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| 11:39.39 | wols | pythonic: he won't change froms hroewall. the pretty guy gives him comfort and a feel of security that he understands it |
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| 11:40.13 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 11:40.34 | anvo | What's the location of the C header files...? |
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| 11:40.53 | perlmonkey | pythonic: thanks but I think I would prefer to stick with shorewall |
| 11:40.59 | wols | !tell anvo about search |
| 11:41.25 | pythonic | wols: in which you are a prophet. |
| 11:41.53 | wols | !tea wol |
| 11:41.54 | wols | !tea wols |
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| 11:42.30 | pythonic | hmm... |
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| 11:42.33 | pythonic | !sex pythonic |
| 11:42.33 | dpkg | pythonic is about 95% vegetable |
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| 11:42.50 | pythonic | not what i expected :-/ |
| 11:42.52 | wols | what are your other 5%? |
| 11:42.58 | pythonic | mineral |
| 11:42.59 | anvo | But "C header files" is only a description of a set of files...! Can't use this with apt-get strings! |
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| 11:43.26 | wols | anvo: hint: one header file is stdio.h |
| 11:43.33 | liberty_ | All your base are belong to us. |
| 11:43.44 | anvo | OK |
| 11:43.46 | wols | anvo: and what about build-essential? |
| 11:43.46 | pythonic | liberty_: george? |
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| 11:43.53 | mike1o | !it |
| 11:43.53 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 11:43.59 | anvo | I did them apt-get install! |
| 11:44.34 | jaski | wols: Oops, I've just seen the dpkg window - humble apologies and thanx again |
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| 11:45.31 | beware | hi |
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| 11:47.15 | roxy_ | I am compiling a program with gcc using the -lmylib option, but ld can't find it. However when I do ldconfig -p, I can see lib (opencv, installed with aptitude). It is probably a very basic problem, I haven't done C prog for more than 10 years. Could anyone help ? |
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| 11:47.54 | wols | roxy_: what is the name of the lib? |
| 11:48.04 | wols | filename |
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| 11:48.10 | nivanson | If I during install said that my hwclock was set to UTC can I now change that to localtime? |
| 11:48.49 | roxy_ | wols: http://rafb.net/p/6ed5pY75.html /usr/lib/libopencv-0.9.so.5 |
| 11:48.52 | wols | nivanson: edit /etc/default/rcS |
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| 11:49.28 | wols | nivanson: make a symlink from libopencv-0.9.so.5 to libopencv-0.9.so |
| 11:49.36 | wols | and use -lopenvc-0.9 |
| 11:49.47 | roxy_ | wols: thanks |
| 11:50.02 | wols | doh :) |
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| 11:50.32 | wols | nivanson: there is an entry UTV=xxxx in that file that's it. you need to set it to "no" |
| 11:50.39 | nivanson | wols: Allright, done :) |
| 11:50.39 | wols | UTC! |
| 11:50.54 | kronic | I'm trying to use k3b under etch, do I need to be a member of a particular group to have it recognize my cdr drive? |
| 11:51.37 | dutchfish | linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 seams to have unsolved dependecies to kernelsource package |
| 11:52.01 | pythonic | kronic: cdrom group |
| 11:52.31 | roxy_ | wols: working :-) |
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| 11:53.09 | wols | roxy_: the symlink is probably not necessary. I added it just in case :) |
| 11:53.54 | dutchfish | dutchfish, but has alot bugs fixed reated to networking, great! 500mbit+ speed now between dom-U's |
| 11:55.55 | wols | dutchfish: talking to yourself is unhealthy... |
| 11:56.26 | dutchfish | wols, sorry [overexcited] ![custom policy] |
| 11:57.34 | dutchfish | wols, the more i know about Debian & Xen, the more i apreciate it, chears |
| 11:57.53 | wols | :) |
| 11:58.14 | wols | the more I know about it the more I curse it (and myself of course for my stupidity for various things) |
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| 12:00.04 | dutchfish | wols, yes, sometimes it can give me [stubern prson] heartaches, but the fruits are tasty :) |
| 12:00.05 | ma3x | hi, I got a printer that requires com port |
| 12:00.11 | ma3x | it has 5 holes in it |
| 12:00.11 | jaski | 'Bye now |
| 12:00.16 | ma3x | but my computer doesnt have this COM port |
| 12:00.27 | ma3x | can you point me to a picture of this com port? |
| 12:00.34 | ma3x | what can I do about it |
| 12:01.04 | perlmonkey | serial com port for a printer, thats unusual |
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| 12:01.33 | perlmonkey | usually they connect to parallel port |
| 12:01.40 | dutchfish | ma3x, http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/cable/RS-232.html (i hope you mean this)? |
| 12:02.36 | beware | i believe apt/.deb uses md5 for security. is this still true? |
| 12:03.07 | ma3x | perlmonk: yeah my computer's supposed to have a COM port with 5 pins |
| 12:03.11 | ma3x | I've never seen that |
| 12:03.22 | perlmonkey | never seen a serial com port? |
| 12:03.37 | ma3x | with 5 pins |
| 12:03.59 | perlmonkey | they have 9 pins |
| 12:04.07 | dutchfish | ma3x, it even can be done with 4 |
| 12:04.10 | epsilon | 5 sounds more like ps2 or at something |
| 12:04.29 | perlmonkey | not all the pins need to be used tho, depends on the device |
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| 12:05.42 | perlmonkey | i have never in my life seen a printer that uses a serial port connection |
| 12:05.58 | wols | apple printers of old |
| 12:06.05 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 12:06.06 | ma3x | perlmonk: I got this one, it's for printing bills |
| 12:06.12 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 12:06.22 | wols | 5 pins are all you need |
| 12:06.30 | wols | ground, tx, rc cts, rcs |
| 12:06.35 | ma3x | wols: where should I plug it in? |
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| 12:06.47 | dutchfish | ma3x, is it TI printer? |
| 12:06.57 | wols | if you don't have a fitting connector. Nowhere |
| 12:07.00 | ronni | Which Debian channel is for compiling Debian source etc... |
| 12:07.01 | ronni | ? |
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| 12:07.12 | ma3x | dutchfish: what's TI? |
| 12:07.21 | perlmonkey | texas instruments? |
| 12:07.21 | dutchfish | ma3x, Texas Instruments |
| 12:07.25 | ronni | Texas Instruments |
| 12:07.32 | wols | roxy_: just ask here |
| 12:07.46 | wols | dog. ronni: just ask here |
| 12:07.51 | ronni | ahh |
| 12:07.54 | ronni | ok thanks |
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| 12:08.58 | ma3x | dutchfish: hold on one sec, I'll check that |
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| 12:11.31 | ronni | I currently have Debian Etch installed on my NSLU2 (uses ARM processor ipx400). I want to compile a certain driver (kernel module). I was told I have to compile it again a kernel source tree. Which kernel source tree should I use? Should it be specific to the chip the device is using (ipx400)? Can I compile the kernel module on, let's say a normal Ununtu PC or does it have to be done on my NSLU2 or on a Debian Etch PC? |
| 12:13.30 | azeem | ronni: you could probably compile it on a Debian Etch *ARM* PC |
| 12:13.34 | azeem | if you have something like that |
| 12:13.42 | ronni | ahh.. nope I don't |
| 12:13.53 | azeem | cross-compiling kernel modules doesn't sound like fun to me |
| 12:13.54 | ronni | and doing it on the ARM device will be extremely slow |
| 12:14.06 | ronni | it's a 266mhz device |
| 12:14.07 | azeem | ronni: which kernel module do you need? |
| 12:14.14 | ronni | 32 megs of ram that are already full |
| 12:14.15 | dutchfish | ronni, i am not sure but i expect that you just could apt the src kernel and build-essentials, at least thats how its done by me on dif platforms |
| 12:14.28 | ronni | alright, sounds good |
| 12:14.30 | azeem | dutchfish: yes, but see the slow hardware |
| 12:14.48 | dutchfish | azeem, yes right |
| 12:14.48 | ronni | the kernel source, where do I get that from? |
| 12:14.58 | azeem | ronni: on your NSLU2? |
| 12:15.10 | ma3x | dutchfish and perlmonkey the model is synergy pf500 |
| 12:15.19 | azeem | ronni: you might only need the kernel headers, anyway |
| 12:15.26 | dutchfish | ronni, apt-cache search linix-image |
| 12:15.40 | dutchfish | linux-image* |
| 12:15.40 | azeem | dutchfish: that's the image, not the source... |
| 12:15.41 | wols | ronni: you can crosscompile |
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| 12:15.53 | ronni | azeem, I thought dutchfish said that it's ok, I can do it on my normal PC (Ubuntu) |
| 12:15.54 | azeem | wols: you'll explain? |
| 12:16.04 | dutchfish | azeem, oops my fault |
| 12:16.04 | azeem | ronni: he didn't say normal PC |
| 12:16.20 | ronni | ohhh |
| 12:16.41 | azeem | ronni: 14:14 < azeem> ronni: which kernel module do you need? |
| 12:16.45 | wols | ronni: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/CrossCompiling |
| 12:17.10 | ronni | wols, wow, didn't see that page |
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| 12:18.08 | dutchfish | wols, could i also x-compile for foxboards ETRAX 100LX v2 on my PC? didnt now that |
| 12:18.37 | azeem | dutchfish: is that running Linux? |
| 12:18.42 | dutchfish | azeem, yup |
| 12:19.04 | dutchfish | azeem, momentarely linux 2.4 kernel |
| 12:19.32 | azeem | probably then, but building a cross-compile toolchain can be quite difficult; it's provided for NSLU2 |
| 12:19.32 | wols | dutchfish: you can always cross compile. but often creating the crosscompile environment is a pita |
| 12:19.35 | ronni | azeem, sorry, I didn't see your question |
| 12:19.48 | ronni | azeem, the latest pvrusb2 driver |
| 12:19.51 | dutchfish | azeem, it took 3 days to compile, but it did |
| 12:19.54 | ma3x | is paralel and serial port the same? |
| 12:19.57 | wols | most/all embedded software is made that way |
| 12:19.57 | azeem | ma3x: no |
| 12:20.39 | dutchfish | wols, thx i delve into that |
| 12:21.23 | ronni | When someone mentions the kernel source tree, do they mean the source code of the linux OS that the kernel module will be running on? |
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| 12:21.53 | ma3x | how come this printer has 5 holes (serial com port?) and there is no computer with 5 pins com port? |
| 12:21.54 | wols | ronni: they only mean the source of the actualy linux kernel normally |
| 12:22.02 | wols | ma3x: apple |
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| 12:22.20 | dutchfish | ma3x, you probably need a converter cable depends on printer model |
| 12:22.23 | ma3x | wols: only apple has that? |
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| 12:22.37 | wols | in the 80s (or so) IBM PCs used parallel port and apple PCs used a serial port for printing |
| 12:22.40 | ronni | wols, ohh ok |
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| 12:22.44 | wols | which is why many printers have both kinds of connections |
| 12:23.15 | xand | 80s? pfft |
| 12:23.17 | xand | 90s too |
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| 12:23.51 | ma3x | wols: so where do I find a cheap laptop with serial port? |
| 12:23.56 | wols | xand: "or so". 90s switched to new world macs |
| 12:24.17 | wols | ma3x: almost all have a serial port still sub-d, 9pol |
| 12:24.19 | xand | wols: they still used serial for printing until the late 90s |
| 12:24.25 | wols | heck. USB is a serial port :P |
| 12:24.31 | xand | when they got USB |
| 12:24.41 | wols | xand: didn't they stop with new wolrd macs? |
| 12:24.44 | azeem | ma3x: "this printer" is actually worth getting a new laptop? |
| 12:24.51 | xand | not afaik |
| 12:24.55 | ma3x | azeem: yes, it's pretty expensive |
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| 12:25.06 | azeem | ma3x: it doesn't have ethernet? |
| 12:25.10 | ma3x | azeem: no no |
| 12:25.13 | wols | ma3x: what printer is this? what does it do specially? |
| 12:25.21 | ma3x | wols: its special for printing the bills |
| 12:25.26 | ronni | oooh la la |
| 12:25.33 | ronni | ma3x, you're my new friend |
| 12:25.35 | azeem | just because it *was* expensive in the 80s doesn't mean it's special today |
| 12:25.35 | ronni | lol |
| 12:25.36 | wols | there are other bill printers out there |
| 12:25.45 | ma3x | ronni: why's that? |
| 12:25.55 | dutchfish | i have a free centronics 901 left ... :) |
| 12:25.56 | ronni | ma3x, please send me a free sample |
| 12:25.58 | ronni | lol |
| 12:26.09 | wols | ronni: bills. the ones you PAY |
| 12:26.13 | ronni | ohhh |
| 12:26.18 | ronni | no thanks.. lol |
| 12:26.35 | wols | ma3x: feel free to send him many for his stupidity of asking for them |
| 12:26.35 | ma3x | wols: nope, actually the program I got works only with this kind of connection (printer) |
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| 12:27.06 | wols | ma3x: this is a debian program? |
| 12:27.43 | ma3x | wols: a private one |
| 12:27.47 | ma3x | costs about $150 |
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| 12:28.21 | ma3x | wols: what did you mean almost all have a serial port still sub-d 9 pol? |
| 12:28.49 | ma3x | damn, can I see a screenshot somewhere? |
| 12:28.55 | ma3x | what should I google for? |
| 12:29.15 | wols | to see what? and I don't believe this is a debian program |
| 12:29.17 | dutchfish | ma3x, apple serial ports |
| 12:29.29 | xand | most PCs still have serial ports |
| 12:29.33 | wols | and certainly $150 is NOT expensive enough to justify a new notebook |
| 12:29.40 | ma3x | xand: but not most latops, right? |
| 12:29.49 | xand | you can get usb serial adaptors |
| 12:29.55 | wols | newer notebooks tend to be legacy free |
| 12:29.58 | xand | does this printer have a 9-pin serial port |
| 12:30.02 | ma3x | wols: the printer's $600 |
| 12:30.10 | ma3x | xand: it has 5 holes |
| 12:30.15 | ma3x | female |
| 12:30.16 | xand | ? |
| 12:30.23 | xand | you mean 5 pins? |
| 12:30.26 | dutchfish | lol |
| 12:30.29 | ma3x | no, 5 holes |
| 12:30.38 | ma3x | which means the port on the computer is supposed to have 5 pins |
| 12:30.49 | xand | you mean the plug on the cable but nm |
| 12:30.49 | indigo2 | is there anyone using an old geforce2 mx 400? |
| 12:30.53 | jesperj | lm-sensors in etch is version 2.10.1-3. Latest version has support for my motherboard. Is there anything to think about regarding installing latest lm-sensors from lm-sensors.org in etch? |
| 12:31.03 | ma3x | xand: yes the plug on the cable has 5 holes |
| 12:31.03 | xand | you'd need to know whether it was RS232 or what |
| 12:31.07 | wols | !tell indigo2 about anyone |
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| 12:31.32 | indigo2 | wols: ok got it! |
| 12:31.55 | ma3x | is this the 9 port http://www.markallen.com/teaching/ucsd/147b/images/9%20pin%20serial%20port%20jack.jpg |
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| 12:32.08 | indigo2 | I got a problem with nvidia legacy drivers: freedoom exit while playing |
| 12:32.14 | wols | ma3x: yes |
| 12:32.23 | ma3x | so I can plug in the 5 holes plug to the 9 pins port? |
| 12:32.25 | ma3x | that works? |
| 12:32.31 | xand | not necessarily, no |
| 12:32.52 | xand | google for the specs for the printer to see what wiring and signal it uses |
| 12:32.57 | xand | it might be RS422 |
| 12:33.15 | ma3x | xand: can't find that out... it's synergy pf500 |
| 12:33.29 | wols | ma3x: you could look into a g3 notebook |
| 12:33.38 | xand | ma3x: then you wont be able to do it |
| 12:33.55 | torrrr | hi, |
| 12:34.06 | xand | find/take a photo of the socket on the printer |
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| 12:34.24 | torrrr | I've installed flash from synaptic, and it crushs epiphany :( |
| 12:34.53 | xand | flash sucks |
| 12:34.59 | empgdjh | uninstall flash from synaptic ;) |
| 12:34.59 | perlmonkey | does anyone know what 2 level means for -c logging level option on klogd? |
| 12:35.41 | perlmonkey | man klogd doesnt explain log levels |
| 12:36.03 | perlmonkey | strange |
| 12:36.21 | torrrr | is there a working flash for epiphany? |
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| 12:39.23 | torrrr | maybe I should use a sarge version for etch? |
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| 12:39.24 | ma3x | xand: this is what im talking about http://www.provantage.com/belkin-f3u138-06~7BELC111.htm |
| 12:40.20 | dutchfish | ma3x, that is usb (sub mini) |
| 12:40.36 | xand | that's a usb cable... |
| 12:40.52 | ma3x | well it converts to usb. no? |
| 12:40.58 | pickcoder | is anyone familiar with one-way satellite connections? |
| 12:40.59 | dutchfish | ma3x, yes |
| 12:41.03 | xand | ma3x: no, it's usb |
| 12:41.08 | xand | it doesn't convert anything |
| 12:41.26 | xand | is the socket on the printer round? |
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| 12:41.34 | xand | the plug on that cable isn't round |
| 12:41.38 | ma3x | xand: no, it's not round, its rectangular |
| 12:41.58 | pickcoder | I set up a directv connection many eons ago but don't remember too much |
| 12:42.25 | ma3x | xand: well not exactly rectangular. I dunno the word in english |
| 12:42.35 | wfq | hello |
| 12:42.39 | pickcoder | D-shaped |
| 12:42.43 | xand | ma3x: did you say this printer was old? |
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| 12:43.20 | ma3x | xand: no idea, I just bought it brand new |
| 12:43.33 | xand | RTFM then |
| 12:43.45 | torrrr | why does software update brings me the same kernel that I have? |
| 12:43.47 | xand | it'll say what port it is... probably mini-usb |
| 12:43.58 | xand | torrrr: because it's the newest available? |
| 12:44.10 | ma3x | xand: it doesnt have a manual |
| 12:44.27 | pickcoder | torrrr: maybe because not everyone wants to upgrade their kernel on every new software patch? |
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| 12:44.37 | ma3x | xand: I got a tech guy who's helping me with this and he told me to buy a converter |
| 12:44.43 | ma3x | I bought one, and it's still not working |
| 12:45.06 | torrrr | xand, but I thought that it's supposed to show only what updates my pc, not what I have already |
| 12:45.10 | pickcoder | ma3x: how big is the socket |
| 12:45.14 | ma3x | so I got this usb -> 5 pin and he tried to do something with the com ports, and said something's wrong, maybe the cable's wrong |
| 12:45.26 | pickcoder | torrrr: pastebin an example |
| 12:46.40 | perlmonk | ma3x, This guy is called perlmonkey, not perlmonk |
| 12:46.43 | torrrr | pickcoder, how can I pastebin? it is a gui window |
| 12:46.46 | xand | ma3x: you just need a normal usb -> miniusb cable |
| 12:46.55 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 12:46.55 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 12:47.00 | jesperj | lm-sensors in etch is version 2.10.1-3. Latest version has support for my motherboard. Is there anything to think about regarding installing latest lm-sensors from lm-sensors.org in etch? |
| 12:47.09 | perlmonk | <ma3x> perlmonk: I got this one, it's for printing bills |
| 12:47.32 | xand | perlmonk: well that's what you get for having such similar names :P |
| 12:47.41 | ma3x | perlmonk: sorry |
| 12:47.45 | ronni | what is the debian package that contains all the build utilities? |
| 12:47.48 | perlmonk | xand, I had my nick before :P |
| 12:47.56 | torrrr | how do I do a screen shot? |
| 12:47.57 | azeem | ronni: build-essential |
| 12:48.00 | ma3x | perlmonk: you're 2 different persons with perlmonkey ? |
| 12:48.01 | azeem | ronni: but that's not all |
| 12:48.08 | ronni | and if I ever want to find out on my own, where do I go? |
| 12:48.09 | perlmonk | ma3x, yes |
| 12:48.14 | pickcoder | torrrr: are you in X? |
| 12:48.19 | torrrr | yes |
| 12:48.23 | azeem | ronni: find out what? |
| 12:48.26 | ronni | azeem, thanks, what else is there? |
| 12:48.31 | pickcoder | copy/paste with the mouse from an xterm |
| 12:48.37 | azeem | ronni: plenty |
| 12:48.41 | ronni | azeem, like do a search on all the available debian packages |
| 12:48.43 | pickcoder | it's not that complicated... :) |
| 12:48.46 | azeem | ronni: check the Section: devel in synaptic, e.g. |
| 12:48.55 | perlmonk | And no, I don't like all this calling of monkeys all over the net... hypermonkey, supermonkey, ultramonkey... |
| 12:48.58 | perlmonk | ewwww |
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| 12:49.11 | torrrr | found it |
| 12:49.11 | perlmonk | Monkeys are not smart. |
| 12:49.22 | perlmonk | Why is it associated to computing ? |
| 12:49.24 | perlmonk | :P |
| 12:49.27 | torrrr | did prtscn, and gnome cought it now |
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| 12:50.53 | pickcoder | I think the term code monkey originated from having to hop from job to job as a contractor |
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| 12:51.16 | pickcoder | who knows though |
| 12:51.16 | perlmonk | pickcoder, Interresting statement |
| 12:51.18 | ronni | ya azeem, you are a great man |
| 12:51.19 | ronni | hehe |
| 12:51.34 | perlmonk | But that won't explain the ultramonkey project |
| 12:51.57 | perlmonk | Excellent failover/load-balancing project... still, "monkey ?" |
| 12:52.00 | perlmonk | heh |
| 12:52.18 | asg | perlmonk: maybe it uses poo throwing as the heartbeat component |
| 12:52.21 | pickcoder | maybe because they can be taught to do repetitive tasks easily? |
| 12:52.24 | xand | monks aren't "smart" either |
| 12:52.31 | pickcoder | and they don't complain like users do? |
| 12:53.09 | xand | hm |
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| 12:53.15 | xand | monkeys are cute! |
| 12:53.16 | pickcoder | plus monkeys are loyal for the most part |
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| 12:53.28 | fireba11 | at least i'm sure they don't complain about names :-D |
| 12:53.28 | pickcoder | then again they don't care about anything |
| 12:53.40 | pickcoder | they throw their own poo |
| 12:53.45 | perlmonk | xand, Yes, but that's all a philosophy, check the web site to get it: http://www.perlmonks.org |
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| 12:54.01 | nivanson | Hi, I am having trouble with my harddrive getting soft reboots (no hdd acess for 30 sec on random intervals). I have tried both Etch kernel and exerimental x.20 kernel. I hope using noapic and nolapic flags will solve the issue. Does modifying grubs config conflict with upcoming auto updates by apt? |
| 12:54.06 | perlmonk | hehehe |
| 12:54.51 | asg | nivanson: are you seeing things in /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log, or the output of dmesg? |
| 12:55.32 | nivanson | asg: I will put in pastebin. Hold on :) |
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| 12:57.22 | torrrr | pastebin doesn't accept a binary file :( |
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| 12:57.52 | xand | why would it? |
| 12:58.07 | torrrr | what does? |
| 12:58.33 | torrrr | xand, sending a screen shot torr want |
| 12:58.43 | wols | *sigh* |
| 12:58.44 | pickcoder | torrrr: just open an xterm or console, run the apt command that's the problem, then copy and paste the scroll |
| 12:59.04 | xand | pastebin isn't for screenshots |
| 12:59.26 | wols | nivanson: there is a "defaults" line in your menu.lst |
| 12:59.33 | asg | script(1) FTW |
| 13:00.16 | torrrr | its not that much of a problem, just a little bit wrong conduct if I am correct |
| 13:00.28 | nivanson | wols: Thanks! |
| 13:00.38 | torrrr | and its in the update gui |
| 13:01.32 | wols | since you obviously insist on sshots: ever hard of imageshack? |
| 13:01.47 | torrrr | not yet |
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| 13:02.08 | nivanson | asg: http://pastebin.ca/418155 |
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| 13:03.53 | torrrr | http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2lt4.png |
| 13:03.54 | asg | nivanson: nothing particularly out of the ordinary from what I can tell. |
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| 13:04.31 | nivanson | asg: except from port resetting like once a minute giving me no hdd access for 30 sec each time then =/ |
| 13:04.35 | torrrr | $ uname -r |
| 13:04.35 | torrrr | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:04.58 | asg | nivanson: actually |
| 13:05.00 | asg | nivanson: # |
| 13:05.00 | asg | nivanson: ata1: port is slow to respond, please be patient (Status 0xd0) |
| 13:05.00 | asg | # |
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| 13:05.12 | pickcoder | why would you get a timeout because the drive is busy??? |
| 13:05.19 | pickcoder | is the machine that loaded? |
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| 13:05.29 | frk2 | Anybody tried Debian Etch on a HP DL 365? |
| 13:05.48 | nivanson | pickcoder: me? no it's my laptop. no hdd load except mp3 |
| 13:05.58 | frk2 | my problem is that sarge OR HP net install CD would never recognize the p400i raid controller |
| 13:06.08 | pickcoder | the device in question is a laptop disk right? |
| 13:06.08 | frk2 | etch does |
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| 13:06.10 | xand | s/or/and/ |
| 13:06.14 | Neeesat25 | Hello |
| 13:06.17 | xand | use etch then, frk2 |
| 13:06.25 | frk2 | but the installer seems to get 'stuck' during installation |
| 13:06.36 | nivanson | pickcoder: yeah. the only disk in this machine |
| 13:06.41 | frk2 | xand i would - but the installer screws up.. |
| 13:06.41 | Neeesat25 | I am trying to start dhcpd server but I get: dhcpd: Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file |
| 13:06.55 | frk2 | weird is - with a similar DL 365 running raid 1, etch installs fine |
| 13:07.01 | pickcoder | frk2: which one are you using |
| 13:07.03 | xand | Neeesat25: your config file is wrong then |
| 13:07.05 | asg | Neeesat25: then follow the instructions |
| 13:07.09 | frk2 | this DL 365 is running raid 5 - with 800Gb of disk total |
| 13:07.19 | frk2 | pickcoder - which of what? |
| 13:07.23 | pickcoder | installer |
| 13:07.31 | frk2 | am using etch's own |
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| 13:07.42 | pickcoder | etch has daily builds as well as a RC2 |
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| 13:08.13 | frk2 | 4.0 |
| 13:08.15 | torrrr | pickcoder, I posted a link to the image |
| 13:08.31 | perlmonkey | perlmonk: :-| monkey's are incredibly smart! |
| 13:08.33 | pickcoder | frk2: 4.0 is the version of debian |
| 13:08.40 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 13:08.53 | pickcoder | try the RC2 installer first |
| 13:08.59 | pickcoder | if that doesn't work try the daily build |
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| 13:09.05 | cyberdo | find: arithmetic overflow while converting +49612 days to a number of seconds |
| 13:09.06 | cyberdo | dpkg: error processing udev (--install): |
| 13:09.09 | cyberdo | what to do? |
| 13:09.16 | pickcoder | or weekly build.. whichever is available |
| 13:09.23 | perlmonk | perlmonkey, If you say so. |
| 13:09.48 | frk2 | hmmm- yeah can try that |
| 13:09.57 | pickcoder | !d-i |
| 13:09.58 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 13:10.11 | frk2 | but any idea what might be the problem? |
| 13:10.34 | pickcoder | frk2: you used the same installer CD for both machines? |
| 13:11.00 | frk2 | yup |
| 13:11.08 | pickcoder | the only difference was the RAID config? |
| 13:11.12 | frk2 | yup |
| 13:11.23 | frk2 | which would be transparent since their is a hardware raid controller |
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| 13:11.58 | nivanson | wols: I added the lines I wanted to menu.lst defaults. dpkg-reconfigure did not alter the file though. Do I have to like... Install a new kernel to make it? ;) |
| 13:11.59 | xand | how far does the installer get? try pressing alt-F2 or alt-F3 to see if there's error messages there |
| 13:13.53 | pickcoder | it's probably the driver |
| 13:13.55 | pickcoder | ccis |
| 13:14.07 | nivanson | wols: update-grub did the trick. Thanks for your help! :) |
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| 13:15.20 | pickcoder | frk2: does the drive show up in partitioning |
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| 13:17.38 | HostilePenguin | are there linux program writers that are paid off by a preson with intrest in not having good linux compatability? |
| 13:18.09 | wols | HostilePenguin: your tinfoil hat gets too tight |
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| 13:18.34 | pickcoder | HostilePenguin: that's a large "paid off" attempt considering the size of the OSS community |
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| 13:18.55 | HostilePenguin | just kep players |
| 13:18.58 | HostilePenguin | key |
| 13:19.06 | HostilePenguin | like driver writers |
| 13:19.34 | torrrr | I have a pain in the neck, can it be from the mouse? |
| 13:19.52 | HostilePenguin | pay some ati driver writers to forget some things |
| 13:19.57 | pickcoder | HostilePenguin: I'm wouldn't expect that any business would interfere with free marketing, support, and potential sales |
| 13:20.08 | pickcoder | - 'm |
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| 13:20.16 | torrrr | did anyone have neck pain from the mouse? |
| 13:20.44 | azeem | torrrr: ask your doctor |
| 13:20.46 | pickcoder | HostilePenguin: ATI and Nvidia are competing against each other and unfortunately we're in the middle |
| 13:21.07 | torrrr | azeem, I hate my doctor, he's crap |
| 13:21.20 | HostilePenguin | but all ati needs to do is write kick ass drivers for linux and they would make more money |
| 13:21.23 | azeem | torrrr: you think he's worse than we for medical advice? |
| 13:21.32 | pickcoder | HostilePenguin: so would broadcom... |
| 13:21.33 | azeem | torrrr: you need medical advice |
| 13:21.36 | xand | it's annoying that amd bought ati |
| 13:21.36 | pickcoder | this is the commercial world |
| 13:21.56 | pickcoder | the mass market is running Windoze |
| 13:22.01 | pickcoder | they don't care about Linux |
| 13:22.08 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 13:22.12 | xand | sadly most people are morons ;) |
| 13:22.22 | HostilePenguin | i guess im just live in my own little shell |
| 13:22.27 | torrrr | azeem, I just wonder if it is prevelent. If someone would say yes, I had this too , or not. That what I have seeked |
| 13:22.35 | xand | penguins live in shells now? |
| 13:23.09 | asg | only the hostile ones |
| 13:23.15 | HostilePenguin | freaking servers looping sound and froze on screen saver nice |
| 13:23.57 | asg | servers and screensaver do not belong in the same sentence |
| 13:24.02 | HostilePenguin | hd running like a sled dog |
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| 13:25.21 | HostilePenguin | o good it rebooted all by its self |
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| 13:25.58 | Azar | haha reportbug has a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=416883 |
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| 13:26.29 | filemover | hi im just after the right command to install the kernel source for the kernel Ive just installed can anyone help |
| 13:27.12 | pickcoder | Azar: did it report itself? |
| 13:27.22 | Azar | hahahahaha I guess so? |
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| 13:27.32 | filemover | lol |
| 13:27.32 | HostilePenguin | what make the client remount the server in nfs thats pretty sweet |
| 13:27.37 | cyberdo | I have severe problems with updating udev... |
| 13:27.47 | xand | HostilePenguin: nfs does that |
| 13:27.55 | Azar | filemover: if you "just installed" it why you need a command to install it? |
| 13:28.06 | cyberdo | ... |
| 13:28.07 | cyberdo | find: arithmetic overflow while converting +49612 days to a number of seconds |
| 13:28.07 | cyberdo | dpkg: error processing udev (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 13:28.57 | filemover | i need the sources |
| 13:29.02 | filemover | not the kernel itself |
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| 13:29.28 | filemover | im trying to compile a v4l driver and i need the kernel sources |
| 13:29.29 | xand | apt-get install them then |
| 13:30.01 | blerk | i want to use a rbl with apache or iptables to block proxies and hacked boxes (aspamhous's xbl list) is there a way todo so? i havent been able to find much except for a patch for apache's mod_access.. anyone any suggestions ? |
| 13:30.05 | HostilePenguin | i brought a usb flash drive with ubuntu to my brother in laws house last night they all thought i was retarded until i booted that boy up |
| 13:30.13 | filemover | so its apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:30.26 | filemover | that sound right |
| 13:30.39 | perlmonkey | can I block port 68 |
| 13:30.43 | filemover | :) :) |
| 13:30.51 | xand | linux-source not kernel-source |
| 13:30.52 | pickcoder | filemover: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 13:31.08 | pickcoder | you probably don't need the source to build a module |
| 13:31.11 | filemover | thats not the kernel sources |
| 13:31.17 | filemover | this is different |
| 13:31.22 | filemover | thats for gcc |
| 13:31.23 | Azar | xand: if he uses etch... if he runs sarge is still kernel-source |
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| 13:31.45 | filemover | ill try kernel-source |
| 13:31.45 | xand | Azar: since when is that kernel in sarge? |
| 13:32.04 | Azar | xand: allways has been, it changed to linux- on etch |
| 13:32.15 | xand | no |
| 13:32.15 | filemover | im using a debian knoppix variant |
| 13:32.17 | pickcoder | Azar: 2.6.18 is not in Sarge |
| 13:32.19 | filemover | LOL |
| 13:32.24 | xand | filemover: wrong channel |
| 13:32.26 | simonrvn | sarge still has the kernel-* packages, etch and sid have the linux-* ones... |
| 13:32.32 | filemover | dont hassle me |
| 13:32.33 | filemover | LOL |
| 13:32.35 | Azar | pickcoder: you can do a 2.6.18 around in sarge |
| 13:32.39 | simonrvn | filemover: still wrong channel |
| 13:32.44 | xand | there is no 2.6.18 in sarge |
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| 13:32.51 | xand | so it can't be kernel-source |
| 13:32.57 | HostilePenguin | etch |
| 13:33.02 | Azar | xand: bah, yes but you CAN get to 2.6.18 in sarge |
| 13:33.08 | filemover | well ive installed the kernel from debian repositories under testing |
| 13:33.09 | HostilePenguin | 2.6.8 |
| 13:33.10 | xand | THERE IS NO 2.6.18 IN SARGE |
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| 13:33.16 | xand | filemover: wrong channel! |
| 13:33.21 | filemover | ok |
| 13:33.26 | filemover | #knoppix then |
| 13:33.33 | filemover | lol |
| 13:33.39 | simonrvn | xand: dude, chill. he's just saying you *can*, not that it's there in the official repos |
| 13:33.49 | xand | and i'm saying it's not |
| 13:34.05 | simonrvn | yes, he agrees with you |
| 13:34.13 | filemover | i feel like the meat in the sandwhich here |
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| 13:34.23 | xand | my sandwiches don't have meat in |
| 13:34.29 | Azar | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 13:34.30 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 13:34.33 | simonrvn | tofu? |
| 13:34.41 | Azar | ah.. ok xand you win |
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| 13:35.03 | blerk | pffft kernel problems? nobody can help me out with a nice challange/problem on howto use rbl's with iptables or apache ? |
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| 13:35.08 | simonrvn | by doing that ^^, you can. it's not official |
| 13:35.48 | Azar | 16 bugs left out of which 16 bugs were opened.... etch coming on April's fool ? |
| 13:36.03 | Azar | teheee |
| 13:36.05 | filemover | thi think your right id better ask the guys in knoppix but everytime time i go there they dont want to know me :( |
| 13:36.07 | simonrvn | blerk: with some scripting... there *might* be an apache{2} module, but i don't know of any |
| 13:36.28 | wols | blerk: how do RBLs help you with apache? |
| 13:36.35 | xand | simonrvn: cheese, or quorn |
| 13:36.38 | xand | tofu is ick |
| 13:36.44 | simonrvn | *nod* |
| 13:37.00 | xand | or peanut butter and jam. |
| 13:37.57 | blerk | eyah,. i found a patch for mod_access that can do it, but i rather dont patch apache |
| 13:38.08 | blerk | wols: i need to block users accessing the website using proxy's and the likes |
| 13:38.16 | blerk | its an online game |
| 13:38.22 | xand | blerk: write a script to generate iptables rules or .htaccess files |
| 13:38.31 | blerk | with *all* ip's from the XBL ? |
| 13:38.36 | blerk | :| |
| 13:38.59 | xand | or use php or perl or something if the game is written in that language |
| 13:39.14 | simonrvn | make a module for the game to use that info |
| 13:39.32 | blerk | xand: yeah been looking into that too, the problem is im the admin, i dont do the php and guys that do the code are too busy to change the signup process atm, we need a quick fix |
| 13:40.11 | simonrvn | looks like that patch is your only option then |
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| 13:40.57 | blerk | looks like it, the link to the patch for anyone else interested is: http://www.gotroot.com/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=2 |
| 13:41.00 | wols | blerk: blocking proxies in the age of tor and JAP is a bit futile, no? |
| 13:41.09 | wols | not to mention all the dynamic IPs |
| 13:41.28 | blerk | wols: i guess but most game players dont know tor (thank god) ansd they use proxy's |
| 13:41.49 | blerk | i already told the guys if they want to keep everybody out the need to pull the network cable |
| 13:41.52 | wols | proves the old point: gamers are idiots :P |
| 13:41.54 | blerk | im doing my best :p |
| 13:42.03 | simonrvn | blerk: hehehe |
| 13:42.07 | defcon8 | wols, wtf? |
| 13:42.13 | defcon8 | I play cs and I'm not an idiot |
| 13:42.25 | wols | CS? dangerous ground there :) |
| 13:42.38 | blerk | oops better hide now |
| 13:42.39 | defcon8 | and I have good reflexes because of it |
| 13:42.45 | blerk | or they will bunnyhop to your place and frag you |
| 13:42.45 | wols | *martians |
| 13:42.46 | defcon8 | good for cycling, as I'm a fkn mad cyclist |
| 13:42.50 | defcon8 | martians* |
| 13:42.52 | simonrvn | CS? wth is 'CS'? |
| 13:42.57 | defcon8 | :O |
| 13:42.59 | defcon8 | counter strike |
| 13:43.03 | simonrvn | oh |
| 13:43.08 | defcon8 | noob |
| 13:43.08 | xand | a silly game |
| 13:43.12 | defcon8 | wtf |
| 13:43.14 | defcon8 | how is it silly? |
| 13:43.18 | simonrvn | !lart defcon8 |
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| 13:43.21 | xand | how isn't it |
| 13:43.24 | wols | not many games are useful or serious |
| 13:43.27 | defcon8 | it's amazing |
| 13:43.30 | defcon8 | it's a way of life |
| 13:43.46 | wols | defcon8: that's one of the scary parts of gaming |
| 13:43.51 | wols | the way of life thing |
| 13:43.53 | simonrvn | defcon8: welcome to my ignore list |
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| 13:44.04 | defcon8 | wow simonrvn really is a fucktard, isn't he? |
| 13:44.09 | bzed | wols: is sunday allready? |
| 13:44.14 | Mooi | Hello, is there a way to seek when watching a non-seekable (propiertary divx files) movie with mplayer? |
| 13:44.14 | defcon8 | don't you love it when they ignore you and tell everyone |
| 13:44.16 | wols | !permasunday |
| 13:44.16 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 13:44.19 | defcon8 | but no one actually cares |
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| 13:44.31 | wols | defcon8: we don't care about you either |
| 13:44.31 | defcon8 | that's one of those examples, I guess |
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| 13:44.36 | defcon8 | wols, exactly |
| 13:44.40 | defcon8 | no one cares about anyone |
| 13:44.43 | defcon8 | and people seem to forget this |
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| 13:44.50 | simonrvn | came a day early |
| 13:45.05 | simonrvn | and on that note, i need to go |
| 13:45.16 | simonrvn | see you |
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| 13:45.23 | defcon8 | oh great |
| 13:45.25 | defcon8 | arse-lick fest |
| 13:45.32 | defcon8 | yes, indeed, let us all indulge |
| 13:45.33 | juice` | i want to change directory of my databases on mysql. is it safe to do it this way? 1. stop mysql. 2. change datadir in my.cnf to new dir 3. copy all files from old dir to new dir, with cp -ar command 4. start mysql |
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| 13:45.38 | xand | defcon8: run along |
| 13:45.44 | defcon8 | bye, simonrvn, hope you'll like mine too |
| 13:45.54 | defcon8 | ahh damn |
| 13:46.05 | simonrvn | juice`: doesn't sound like a bad idea |
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| 13:46.13 | defcon8 | I hope I'm not obstructing the closely-knit community of arse-licking that's going on here |
| 13:46.23 | Mooi | I get something like "looks like this file was encoded with (divx4/(old)xvid/opendivx) -> forcing low_delay flag" when trying to play an .avi file. What can I do to solve this or convert the file to ogg/theora? ffmpeg2theora does give very nasty results |
| 13:46.26 | juice` | simonrvn: i heard that copying databases in filesystem is not good, but im not sure why |
| 13:46.43 | juice` | only because they can be changed durning copying? |
| 13:46.46 | wols | juice`: maybe you heard that about oracle? |
| 13:46.53 | juice` | maybe... |
| 13:46.54 | simonrvn | i haven't had problems moving them from one host (of the same arch) to another |
| 13:46.57 | wols | dunno anything of that kind of mysql |
| 13:47.18 | simonrvn | mysql too |
| 13:47.23 | juice` | oh. and the only thing i have to change, when changing directory of database is datadir = in my.cnf ? |
| 13:47.25 | simonrvn | same for postgres |
| 13:47.33 | wols | Mooi: what player gives you that warning/error? tried a different one? |
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| 13:47.38 | simonrvn | that i don't know |
| 13:47.45 | wols | usually mplayer and vlc eat pretty much any avi out there |
| 13:47.50 | simonrvn | i'd do a bit of rtfm first |
| 13:47.57 | Mooi | wols: I tried mplayer, vlc and xine. They give the exact same errors (using same library?) |
| 13:48.26 | wols | Mooi: probably. ffmpeg IIRC. if you use sarge versions, maybe try etch? |
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| 13:48.39 | Mooi | wols: I'm in etch |
| 13:48.52 | Mooi | how do you play back with ffmpeg? |
| 13:49.13 | wols | ffmpeg is just a library. a codec |
| 13:49.29 | Mooi | well, what are you trying to say? |
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| 13:50.20 | wols | I try to say that the ffmpeg version used to decode that avi might be too old |
| 13:50.32 | wols | but since you're using etch, this is only a slim (or none) hope |
| 13:50.54 | Mooi | I just now installed avifile-divx-plugin, which should help. How would I activate it? |
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| 13:53.26 | HostilePenguin | tea time |
| 13:54.29 | HostilePenguin | red rose gives the noahs ceramic animals again |
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| 13:55.27 | Daemonik | What's a good open-source Gnutella client? |
| 13:55.59 | wols | Daemonik: apt-cache search gnutella |
| 13:56.21 | Daemonik | What's a _GOOD_ open-source Gnutella client? |
| 13:56.23 | ronni | Where can I download the kernel source for 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx? |
| 13:56.35 | wols | ronni: wherever you got the binary from |
| 13:56.43 | blerk | there is no mod_access in the debian package of apache and also not in apache-src on sebian etch, i am missing out on something? |
| 13:56.48 | wols | !tell Daemonik about best |
| 13:56.54 | wols | Daemonik: this applies to "good" too |
| 13:56.58 | Daemonik | I'm on a dial-up connection here through a proxy so trial and error isn't going to be nearly as fast with someone in here with some experience. |
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| 13:57.12 | ronni | hmm.. I got it from here: http://www.slug-firmware.net/ |
| 13:57.20 | wols | Daemonik: doesn't change the answer |
| 13:57.25 | ronni | but the source link for Debian/NSLU2 points to debian site |
| 13:57.35 | ronni | just the general debian source code site |
| 13:57.49 | ronni | here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:57.58 | wols | ronni: get the debian kernel source for arm from any apt repository then I guess |
| 13:57.59 | Daemonik | What's an open-source Gnutella client that actually works? |
| 13:58.03 | ronni | ahhh |
| 13:58.06 | Daemonik | Because gtk-gnutella doesn't. >_> |
| 13:58.15 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 13:58.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:58.26 | Daemonik | "this program is too ancient" "will not run without explicit user action" |
| 13:58.36 | ronni | so it shouldn't be specific for ixp4xx, the ARM kernel source would be just fine? |
| 13:58.40 | Daemonik | What's a gnutella client that won't do that? |
| 13:58.41 | wols | ronni: the kernel version suggests it's an etch kernel btw |
| 13:58.47 | ronni | yes |
| 13:58.48 | ronni | yes it is |
| 13:58.53 | wols | Daemonik: you on sarge? |
| 13:59.01 | Tallu | haha, i love that infoline. |
| 13:59.16 | xand | if you're on dialup, p2p will such anyway |
| 13:59.21 | xand | *suck |
| 13:59.26 | blerk | there is no libapache2-mod-access in debian etch and alos not in the main package and also not in the apache-src package, why is removed? :( |
| 13:59.29 | ronni | 21 CDs!! http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/arm/iso-cd/ |
| 13:59.38 | wols | xand: it's only MP3s I guess, right? those can bow warezed even on dialup |
| 13:59.46 | Daemonik | wols, No I'm on Ubuntu 6.10 |
| 13:59.53 | xand | Daemonik: wrong channel |
| 13:59.57 | xand | #ubuntu |
| 13:59.58 | wols | !tell Daemonik about ubuntu |
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| 14:00.03 | wols | Daemonik: now go back there |
| 14:00.15 | wols | ronni: no one said you had to download any of them |
| 14:00.21 | bzed | blerk: I think that stuff is included in the authz framework now |
| 14:00.30 | wols | ronni: packages.debian.org and only get the kernel sources |
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| 14:00.53 | blerk | bzed: cheers mate, ill check it out :) |
| 14:00.59 | bzed | blerk: and should be installed with the normal apache packae |
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| 14:01.30 | bzed | blerk: have a look if the modules in /etc/apache2/mods-avaiable do what you need, if not, please ask :) |
| 14:01.43 | blerk | bzed: hmm i see, so the patch i got for apache 2.x mod_access is useless |
| 14:01.51 | blerk | i have to downgrade to a pache2 with mod_access still in it |
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| 14:02.30 | blerk | did i mention i hate computers? |
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| 14:02.30 | ronni | wols, thank you |
| 14:02.30 | wols | blerk: apache 1.3 in debian has mod_access |
| 14:02.37 | blerk | its a production server, i cant downgrade a website with 1500 players to 1.3 :( |
| 14:02.42 | wols | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_access.so |
| 14:02.47 | blerk | its cool, i tell the php guys to redo the signup, im done with this :) |
| 14:02.55 | wols | why I still have 1.3 on disk is beyond me tho :( |
| 14:02.57 | bzed | blerk: what do you really wanna do/ |
| 14:03.15 | wols | bzed: block proxies in a browser game host |
| 14:03.22 | blerk | bzed: i need to tmp use the xbl blocklist to stop proxies from signup |
| 14:03.27 | wols | so the players don't cheat _too_ much |
| 14:03.33 | blerk | i foudn a patch for mod_access for apache2 than can do it |
| 14:03.45 | blerk | wols: indeed :) |
| 14:03.50 | bzed | blerk: I think such stuff is integrated in apache2.2 now |
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| 14:04.21 | blerk | bzed: yeah so im out of options, eighter i downgrade to an apache2 with mod_access still in it, or i figure out a way for iptables todo it |
| 14:04.25 | bzed | blerk: not sure, though. etch ships with apache 2.2, there were a lot changes since 2.0 regarding authentification and stuff |
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| 14:05.14 | bzed | blerk: can't you add a captcha? |
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| 14:05.40 | bzed | blerk: or somethign else that will make sure that it's talking to a real person? |
| 14:05.41 | wols | bzed: that won't help against people who use proxies to sign up more than once |
| 14:05.45 | Pedro420 | nvz: Nandrew ? |
| 14:05.53 | bzed | wols: true :\ |
| 14:07.11 | bzed | but not allowing proxies also means no aol users |
| 14:07.11 | wols | what I didn't know what that RBLs have proxies too in their list |
| 14:07.12 | bzed | and a lot of other people who need to use proxies |
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| 14:07.12 | wols | I guess he means open proxies |
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| 14:07.13 | blerk | wols: check out spamhaus XBL list it has a lot of nice stuff you might want to block :) |
| 14:07.45 | bzed | blerk: you could check the rbl stuff while registering |
| 14:07.57 | blerk | bzed: we have things inside the game that prevent cheaten/scritps yeah, the problem now are signups, we had 1 user who created 50 hotmail emails and created 50 accoutns on that |
| 14:08.03 | blerk | wonder how they find the time |
| 14:08.23 | wols | online gamers are addicts. just look at WoW |
| 14:08.26 | bzed | blerk: some people have nothign else to do |
| 14:08.35 | bzed | blerk: which language do you use? |
| 14:08.36 | blerk | bzed: yep, the php guys know thats the best way they too busy to redo the signup atm so i need a quick fiz |
| 14:08.43 | blerk | bzwed: dutch |
| 14:09.35 | bzed | blerk: http://www.jhurliman.org/index.php/2005/open-proxy-rbl-lookups-in-php/ |
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| 14:10.58 | bzed | blerk: have a look at libapache2-mod-ifier |
| 14:11.12 | bzed | blerk: that's a replacement for mod_security which is not shipped with etch |
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| 14:11.37 | bzed | blerk: if that one doesn;t help you, have a look if mnod_security is still something useful. |
| 14:11.58 | |sharky| | i want to put my /tmp and /var/tmp folders into noxec,nosuid in fstab, but these arent mountpoints, i thought there was a workaround, any one can help ? |
| 14:12.45 | xand | |sharky|: no, you'd need them to be seperate partitions |
| 14:13.12 | bzed | blerk: https://etc.inittab.org/~agi/debian/ |
| 14:13.17 | xingu | |sharky|: you could always loop mount some fs images ;) |
| 14:13.41 | bzed | blerk: mod security allowd RBL filtering |
| 14:13.47 | perlmonkey | how do i disable console logging from kernel |
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| 14:14.25 | xingu | perlmonkey: /etc/default/klogd:KLOGD="-c 3 -x" or whatever. |
| 14:15.18 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 14:16.03 | perlmonkey | shorewall is doing console logging, and so i wanted to set it there, but the docs ive seen explaining how to do it refer to /etc/shorewall/init which doesnt exist :-/ |
| 14:16.12 | xand | xingu: do loop mounted files allow RW? |
| 14:16.27 | xingu | xand: yep, they're ordinary filesystems |
| 14:16.31 | wols | xand: yes |
| 14:16.43 | bzed | blerk: and here's the reason why modsecurity is not in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313615 |
| 14:17.02 | xand | k, guess I only tried with ISO9660 which is RO :) |
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| 14:17.53 | perlmonkey | alright fuk this, 2 hrs is too much |
| 14:18.48 | xand | dmesg -n1 |
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| 14:20.29 | blerk | bzed: thank you very much, im going to look at them all, thanks man |
| 14:20.32 | blerk | :D |
| 14:20.39 | bzed | blerk: you're welcome :) |
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| 14:21.12 | vin` | perlmonkey: looked at firehol? |
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| 14:22.23 | perlmonkey | i havent |
| 14:23.19 | perlmonkey | xand: doesn't stop the log entries tho :-/ |
| 14:23.37 | perlmonkey | absolutely nothing can stop them, its driving me nuts |
| 14:23.50 | bzed | perlmonk: I doubt that shorewall is doing your console logging |
| 14:24.02 | perlmonkey | it is |
| 14:24.04 | bzed | perlmonkey: I guess that ther kernel logs to your console |
| 14:24.04 | perlmonkey | Mar 31 17:11:08 server kernel: Shorewall:rfc1918:DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:d0:2b:77:ed:54:08:00 SRC=10.18.192.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=797 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=308 |
| 14:24.10 | bzed | that's your kernel |
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| 14:24.12 | bzed | see |
| 14:24.13 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 14:24.16 | bzed | it says KERNEL |
| 14:24.37 | kth | How can I `dpkg -i` a static linked x86 opera .deb onto amd64 etch? Is it possible at all? |
| 14:24.40 | perlmonkey | how to stop this crap |
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| 14:24.48 | kth | Statically even |
| 14:25.05 | bzed | perlmonkey: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg00271.html |
| 14:25.12 | perlmonkey | bzed: thanks |
| 14:25.14 | bzed | kth: yes |
| 14:25.32 | bzed | kth: apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 14:25.53 | bzed | kth: but you won;t be able to install oper's .deb, you'll have to put it into /usr/local |
| 14:26.10 | bzed | kth: I use stow to maintain the chaos in /usr/local |
| 14:26.11 | bzed | !stow |
| 14:26.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
| 14:26.18 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 14:26.35 | perlmonkey | even echo "4 4 1 7" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk hasnt stopped the log entries |
| 14:26.58 | kth | Hmm.... I take it I have to download a tarball and install with --prefix=/usr/local? I'll have a look onto stow then |
| 14:27.33 | bzed | perlmonk: have a look what your syslogd dumps to console |
| 14:27.38 | bzed | perlmonkey: ^^ |
| 14:27.56 | bzed | kth: you'll have to use --prefix=/usr/local/stow/opera then |
| 14:28.10 | bzed | kth: and then cd /usr/local/stow; stow opera |
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| 14:28.28 | perlmonkey | bzed: still getting log entries like above in my syslog :-/ |
| 14:28.37 | kth | Alright then, thanks I'll be messing with that then |
| 14:28.44 | liable | perlmonkey: still getting those errors? |
| 14:28.46 | bzed | perlmonk: sure, and that for a good reason |
| 14:28.48 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 14:28.53 | bzed | perlmonkey: sure, and that for a good reason |
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| 14:28.55 | perlmonkey | i dont want them |
| 14:29.02 | liable | perlmonkey: did you restsrt klogd? |
| 14:29.06 | perlmonkey | yup |
| 14:29.06 | asg | perlmonkey: then remove logging from your iptables rules |
| 14:29.12 | bzed | perlmonkey: disable logging in your firewall then |
| 14:29.18 | perlmonkey | i have |
| 14:29.24 | liable | perlmonkey: try editing the init script |
| 14:29.26 | bzed | perlmonkey: there's a -LOG rule created somewhere obviously |
| 14:29.33 | perlmonkey | shorewall no longer has info set for either of the policy |
| 14:29.36 | blerk | loging all deny's, fun fun |
| 14:29.58 | blerk | howto fill up your drive in 15 mins |
| 14:30.08 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 14:30.26 | bzed | don't use deny |
| 14:30.27 | blerk | just dont firewall ;) |
| 14:30.31 | bzed | use reject |
| 14:30.39 | blerk | reject == drop ? |
| 14:30.52 | asg | blerk: no, reject != drop |
| 14:30.53 | bzed | a reject rejects a connection |
| 14:30.58 | bzed | a drop drops it |
| 14:31.07 | liable | perlmonkey: you did klogd or syslogd? |
| 14:31.07 | bzed | with a reject the other side knows that you're not interested |
| 14:31.25 | blerk | then im doing it good, i want to ignore it |
| 14:31.27 | blerk | right? |
| 14:31.33 | perlmonkey | liable: i tried both, syslogd wont take the -c option tho, so I did klogd |
| 14:31.44 | bzed | -c option? |
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| 14:31.49 | bzed | WTF are you doing? |
| 14:31.50 | asg | perlmonkey: did you use -c 0 or -c 1? |
| 14:31.56 | perlmonkey | -c 2 for logging level on klogd |
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| 14:31.59 | bzed | perlmonkey: you want to disable logging in shorewall |
| 14:32.02 | asg | bzed: editing logging in /etc/default/klogd |
| 14:32.25 | asg | perlmonkey: you should try a lower value. |
| 14:32.31 | perlmonkey | bzed: i need to do it at the program level eh |
| 14:32.36 | perlmonkey | in shorewall |
| 14:32.38 | liable | 2 worked for me |
| 14:32.52 | perlmonkey | but there seems no way to do it |
| 14:32.52 | bzed | perlmonkey: well depends on what you want to achieve |
| 14:33.00 | Kevin` | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5906 - anyone want to help me get X working? |
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| 14:33.14 | perlmonkey | all i want to do is stop these log entries from appearing in my syslog |
| 14:33.22 | perlmonkey | Mar 31 17:14:30 server kernel: Shorewall:rfc1918:DROP:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:d0:2b:77:ed:54:08:00 SRC=10.18.192.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=2361 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=308 |
| 14:33.35 | perlmonkey | it should not be a major undertaking eh |
| 14:33.41 | perlmonkey | but ive been at now for 3 hours |
| 14:33.58 | Kevin` | iptables-save |grep -v LOG |iptables-restore |
| 14:34.01 | Kevin` | heh =p |
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| 14:34.44 | bzed | kvm kernel version too old |
| 14:34.44 | bzed | Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support |
| 14:34.46 | bzed | WTF |
| 14:34.50 | bzed | I'm using 2.6.20.4 |
| 14:35.14 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 14:35.44 | Kevin` | perlmonkey while the above line should actually work, I suggest you do it by hand, using a similar method, to avoid oopses |
| 14:36.04 | Kevin` | someone help me get X working |
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| 14:36.14 | liable | perlmonkey: does your lan work ok with those firewall rules? |
| 14:36.16 | Kevin` | iono much about this newfangled gui stuff |
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| 14:36.24 | liable | !no screens found |
| 14:36.25 | dpkg | i heard screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 14:36.44 | liable | doh wrong factoid |
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| 14:37.17 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:37.21 | Kevin` | if it helps |
| 14:38.10 | perlmonkey | liable: yes |
| 14:39.51 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 14:40.05 | xingu | bzed: module-assist it; debian is kvm14, kernel was 12 from memory. |
| 14:40.09 | liable | Kevin`: wtf is that card |
| 14:40.24 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/418261 |
| 14:40.39 | xingu | bzed: debian package is ~likely to track upstream until there's a debian 2.6.2x kernel. |
| 14:40.52 | perlmonkey | i cant take that crap any longer |
| 14:41.37 | Kevin` | poor shorewall, just trying to be helpful ;p |
| 14:41.40 | bzed | xingu: yeah, just realized that :\ kvm-18 is out allready |
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| 14:42.12 | xingu | bzed: things are moving quickly in that space; at least your system didn't panic before you learnt this; mine did. ;) |
| 14:42.17 | perlmonkey | im just wasting hours and hours tho |
| 14:42.21 | perlmonkey | and getting nowhere |
| 14:42.38 | me_here_ | poor monk |
| 14:42.38 | perlmonkey | software should be easy to use and well documented |
| 14:42.39 | bzed | xingu: with kvm-14 BSD reboot the whole machine instead of the virtual machine only :| |
| 14:43.01 | xingu | neat |
| 14:43.10 | Kevin` | I find it more productive to configure the firewall with an iptables-save file, unless you need exotic dynamic configuration |
| 14:43.21 | Kevin` | liable ? |
| 14:43.37 | xingu | bzed: probably the best thing really, the last thing the world needs is more running bsd system images :) |
| 14:43.38 | liable | Kevin`: i cant really see wtf is causing it :/ |
| 14:43.52 | bzed | xingu: haha :D |
| 14:44.05 | liable | Kevin`: paste your conf |
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| 14:44.39 | Kevin` | erm, it's not at /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.. where would it be by default? |
| 14:44.47 | Kevin` | oh no capx |
| 14:44.48 | Kevin` | s |
| 14:45.00 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/xorg.conf |
| 14:45.24 | norbert_ | hi all, I'm wondering if there is a way to extract data from a corrupted usb stick that I /can't/ mount (because it's corrupted), it was a vfat usb stick |
| 14:45.52 | Kevin` | norbert_ did you try running dosfsck on it or similar? back up an image of it before you mess with it |
| 14:46.13 | rpc | hi folks |
| 14:46.19 | rpc | does anyone have experiences with vmware on 2.6.20-k7? |
| 14:46.21 | rpc | i can't compile the module |
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| 14:47.13 | Axehat | er... disregard, sorted! :-) |
| 14:47.22 | Kevin` | easily done |
| 14:47.23 | norbert_ | Kevin`: ehm... okay, but I don't know how to do that, making an image with dd for a usb stick that I can't mount... |
| 14:47.27 | liable | Kevin`: nfc, try the intel driver, that log shows nothing usefull, or bad, cept the bad bios checksum.. |
| 14:47.42 | Kevin` | norbert_ cat /dev/sdx >file.img |
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| 14:48.07 | snowbird | hey liable |
| 14:48.16 | Kevin` | liable how do I try the intel driver? :) |
| 14:48.19 | liable | hi |
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| 14:48.24 | Axehat | Hey |
| 14:48.29 | snowbird | spring liable |
| 14:48.36 | liable | Kevin`: drxx and chose i810 (iirc) |
| 14:48.39 | norbert_ | Kevin`: sdx files do not exist before a drive is mounted though |
| 14:48.50 | Kevin` | norbert_ yes, it does |
| 14:48.58 | liable | Kevin`: google, have never had an intel myself |
| 14:48.59 | norbert_ | ren:/dev# ls sd* |
| 14:48.59 | norbert_ | ls: sd*: No such file or directory |
| 14:49.14 | Kevin` | norbert_ dmesg |tail -n 50 or so |
| 14:49.14 | norbert_ | nope ;-) |
| 14:49.29 | Kevin` | look for usb related things and errors |
| 14:49.42 | Kevin` | it DOES exist before mounted, you need the device file to mount it |
| 14:49.54 | Kevin` | liable drxx: command not found |
| 14:50.05 | liable | !drxx Kevin` |
| 14:50.05 | dpkg | Kevin`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:50.58 | xingu | Kevin`: try changing your depth 24 part to depth 32 |
| 14:50.58 | Pons | guys, how does debian sorts the names of network interfaces? because i've tried some on my computer and now i have an eth0 and an eth4 |
| 14:51.04 | Nyle | good morning babies! |
| 14:51.26 | liable | xingu: yikes, you reckon increasing it will help? |
| 14:51.37 | Kevin` | i'm not sure whether to choose i128, i740, i810, etc from the driver list |
| 14:51.50 | xingu | liable: 1024x768x32 is reported as a known mode |
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| 14:52.08 | xingu | liable: x24 ain't. :) |
| 14:52.16 | Nyle | if you have an intel board, use i810 more than likely, or lspci will also tell you which you are using, so you can use the proper drivers for it |
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| 14:52.33 | Kevin` | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 14:52.33 | Nyle | that driver runs some older shit too |
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| 14:53.03 | Nyle | onboard video is crap anyway, buy a 20$ nvidia :D |
| 14:53.13 | Kevin` | pfft that's $20 |
| 14:53.23 | liable | xingu: wheres the depth in those supported modes? i cant see it. |
| 14:53.25 | Nyle | use i810 and hopefully it should run that gfx device |
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| 14:53.35 | xingu | 845G isn't too craptastic; it's a i915-esque chipset (845G) |
| 14:53.36 | snowbird | i have to config my sound card each time i want sound how can i tell it to rember |
| 14:53.54 | thoreauputic | Hobbsee: :) |
| 14:54.04 | Hobbsee | heya thoreauputic |
| 14:54.05 | Nyle | snowbird alsamixer should save your volume levels |
| 14:54.12 | stab | is there a pseudo package i can install to not have a local MTA but not break the functionality? or a root\postmaster only server config? |
| 14:54.19 | xingu | he needs 915resolution to bootstrap a useful bios mode and should really be using the -i810-modesetting driver probably |
| 14:54.19 | Nyle | or you mean like configure with alsaconf each time? |
| 14:54.26 | asg | stab: install nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 14:54.26 | snowbird | it dosent is that cause card is old sb live? |
| 14:54.31 | Kevin` | 131072kb = 128mb yes? |
| 14:54.32 | Nyle | xingu as I suggested :) |
| 14:54.36 | thoreauputic | Hobbsee: hello there again |
| 14:54.38 | thoreauputic | :) |
| 14:54.47 | snowbird | Nyle, yes |
| 14:54.49 | xingu | Nyle: the -modesetting bit matters |
| 14:54.54 | Nyle | indeed |
| 14:54.55 | stab | asg: thx |
| 14:55.05 | bzed | snowbird: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils <<check if those packages are isntalled, if not, do so |
| 14:55.43 | Nyle | its a metapackage that installs those wo |
| 14:55.45 | Nyle | two* |
| 14:55.47 | Nyle | !info alsa |
| 14:55.50 | liable | snowbird: what do you have to do to get sound to work? |
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| 14:56.01 | Nyle | hmm |
| 14:56.21 | Nyle | when the hell did this happen, I am always used to apt-get install alsa and alsa tools/utils/base is installed |
| 14:56.27 | Nyle | now dpkg says alsa isn't even a package |
| 14:56.32 | snowbird | run alsa config |
| 14:56.32 | Nyle | !info alsa sid |
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| 14:56.38 | liable | alsa-base and -utils is |
| 14:56.48 | snowbird | il do that |
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| 14:56.58 | Axehat | bzed: I'm back on 2.6.8 and I won't be upgrading for a while now ;-) |
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| 14:57.11 | num00 | i do not get a parallel port device although i load parport module. what could be wrong? do i have to create this device manually even if i have udev? |
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| 14:58.20 | peppe | num00: parport_pc? |
| 14:58.28 | num00 | peppe: i did load this aswell |
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| 14:58.50 | The_Saint | hallo |
| 14:58.51 | norbert_ | Kevin`: I think udev generates /dev/sd* devices on the fly |
| 14:58.52 | liable | snowbird: if you have alsaconf, then you dont need to install anything |
| 14:59.02 | subopt | I installed kernel 2.6.18-3-k7, on someone's advice, because it supports 3 GB of RAM, but `m-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel` fails, saying the headers aren't available, and trying to install them fails, too. So where can i find a listing of the available binary kernels? |
| 14:59.07 | Kevin` | norbert_ is the device listed in /proc/partitions? |
| 14:59.14 | snowbird | liable, thnaks could it be card is old? |
| 14:59.36 | peppe | num00: dunno... is the port enabled in your BIOS? |
| 14:59.37 | skejoe | Hi :) anyone that would help me gettin' my wacom volito tablet to work? :) |
| 14:59.43 | liable | snowbird: not likely, i have never really heard of a good solution to your problem.. |
| 14:59.43 | Kevin` | hmm I need to find a different mouse, this one seems borked |
| 14:59.48 | norbert_ | Kevin`: nope (by the way, I have 2 usb sticks that are not corrupt which work fine) |
| 14:59.48 | Kevin` | (usb errors) |
| 14:59.56 | snowbird | liable, so its normal |
| 15:00.10 | peppe | subopt: upgrade to 2.6.18-4-k7 and install pre-complied pre-packaged nvidia drivers |
| 15:00.20 | Kevin` | norbert_ I suspect there is a physical problem with the usb disk, it might be hard to recover |
| 15:00.25 | liable | snowbird: its not normal |
| 15:00.26 | yoshio | subopt: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:00.30 | norbert_ | Kevin`: yep... |
| 15:00.31 | subopt | peppe: thanks |
| 15:00.36 | liable | snowbird: but i dont know how to fix it.. |
| 15:00.41 | subopt | yoshio: thanks |
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| 15:00.50 | Kevin` | norbert_ if all else fails, you could remove the flash chip and put it on another usb disk |
| 15:00.50 | peppe | they should named something like nvidia-kerne-2.6.18-4-k7 ... |
| 15:00.54 | snowbird | liable, omb sound doesnt have this trouble but this mobo aint omb |
| 15:00.59 | yoshio | subopt: that's for etch, for sarge it is probably kernel-image |
| 15:01.03 | Kevin` | and hope it's the controller, not the chip, that's damaged |
| 15:01.32 | subopt | yoshio: perfect; i'm on etch |
| 15:01.32 | mike1o | vlc wont go full screen... amd64... on #videolan they said u knew how to fix this |
| 15:02.09 | norbert_ | Kevin`: I guess the hand-held x-ray from the air-port messed it up? |
| 15:02.55 | Kevin` | norbert_ I suppose it's possible, i'm not sure about the physical layout of chips that x-rays would mess them up |
| 15:03.19 | Kevin` | I would suspect ESD as an easier cause |
| 15:03.26 | Kevin` | what does dmesg say when you plug in the device? |
| 15:03.40 | Kevin` | brb, looking for another moust |
| 15:03.42 | Kevin` | mouse |
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| 15:03.59 | norbert_ | Kevin`: nothing... (good luck with the mouse) |
| 15:04.08 | subopt | norbert_: i'm a chip designer, and i assure you that the chances of xrays messing up your chip are astronomically remote. |
| 15:04.10 | me_here_ | transistors getting statically charged |
| 15:04.13 | me_here_ | oh oh |
| 15:04.25 | GhostlyDeath | How do I see what file belongs to a package? |
| 15:04.38 | norbert_ | subopt: okay |
| 15:04.43 | MoDaX | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -L package |
| 15:04.45 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -L package_name |
| 15:04.49 | amphi | heh |
| 15:05.02 | Nyle | !search |
| 15:05.14 | Nyle | I fucking hate you bot! |
| 15:05.18 | Kevin` | lol |
| 15:05.19 | Nyle | dun dun dun! |
| 15:05.24 | Nyle | dpkg hi |
| 15:05.24 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 15:05.28 | Kevin` | I found me a mouse.. ps2 |
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| 15:05.31 | Kevin` | hopefullt it works |
| 15:05.32 | Nyle | you're just slow dpkg |
| 15:05.39 | dpkg | hi |
| 15:05.43 | Nyle | shut up |
| 15:06.00 | GhostlyDeath | MoDaX and amphi, nope |
| 15:06.13 | GhostlyDeath | I want to search all installed packages for a file it contains |
| 15:06.23 | MoDaX | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -S file |
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| 15:06.57 | MoDaX | GhostlyDeath: not necessarily a full name/path |
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| 15:08.32 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: that's not what you said before |
| 15:09.04 | liable | GhostlyDeath: apt-file |
| 15:09.08 | me_here_ | you won't see your bucks |
| 15:09.13 | me_here_ | nevar! |
| 15:09.16 | me_here_ | hr hr |
| 15:09.26 | me_here_ | wah wah wah |
| 15:09.30 | Kevin` | yay X is working now |
| 15:09.33 | Kevin` | using i810 |
| 15:10.21 | Kevin` | seems to support dri too |
| 15:10.23 | Kevin` | how nice |
| 15:10.43 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, I can't connecto to any wireless networks |
| 15:10.52 | amphi | !lart GhostlyDeath |
| 15:10.59 | amphi | heh |
| 15:11.06 | GhostlyDeath | What windows version? |
| 15:11.31 | Kevin` | hmm, the mouse movement is very slow and choppy in X |
| 15:11.32 | xingu | Kevin`: yep; they're not totally awful, they're reasonable for most 2d stuff. |
| 15:11.47 | Hobbsee | GhostlyDeath: Windows ME :P |
| 15:11.52 | GhostlyDeath | noo! |
| 15:12.00 | GhostlyDeath | Windows 98 SE would of been better |
| 15:12.01 | smacnay | Does anyone get lost interrupts on a cd drive with the debian 2.6.18-4 kernels? |
| 15:12.07 | GhostlyDeath | but I don't have to install it =P |
| 15:12.20 | amphi | Kevin`: xset perhaps, or you've misconfigured it ;) |
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| 15:12.34 | amphi | Kevin`: I find using gpm as a repeater works well |
| 15:12.37 | me_here_ | lol |
| 15:12.59 | Nyle | gpm as a repeater? |
| 15:13.07 | Nyle | what does that mean? |
| 15:13.07 | solar_sea | how can I specify to apt-get not to remove a package, that depends on another, that is being removed ? |
| 15:13.16 | Kevin` | amphi what should I set for device and protocol to do that |
| 15:13.19 | GhostlyDeath | anyway, using nm-applet I can't connect to any wireless networks |
| 15:13.41 | Kevin` | or whatever I need to change |
| 15:13.44 | xingu | Kevin`: for a system at that vintage there's probably some benefit also in using a 15bpp or 16bpp screen mode; it'll save memory, and memory bandwidth - if your display device is a panel, you probably won't notice. |
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| 15:14.49 | Kevin` | Hostname: kwzs - OS: Linux 2.6.18-4-686/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1800.013 MHz) - Processes: 87 - Uptime: 1d 19h 17m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 243.54MB/757.37MB (32.16%) - Disk Usage: 1.08GB/274.90GB (0.39%) |
| 15:15.02 | Kevin` | vintage to me is 486.. you decide :) |
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| 15:15.36 | xingu | Kevin`: you're talking to someone running a pcie merom notebook w/ gfgo7600. :) |
| 15:15.53 | Kevin` | mmm nice |
| 15:16.06 | amphi | Kevin`: gpmconfig to configure gpm |
| 15:16.59 | amphi | Kevin`: then I use /dev/gpmdata as mouse device |
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| 15:17.30 | amphi | Kevin`: protocol intellimouse |
| 15:18.27 | bzed | Axehat: I'm still wondering what the problem is. did you try 2.6.20.4 ? |
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| 15:18.43 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 15:19.05 | Kevin` | I don't think it likes intellimouse |
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| 15:19.26 | Ramattack | I have been taking a look at man bash redirection topic... |
| 15:19.38 | Ramattack | and have the next script http://sial.org/pbot/23910 |
| 15:19.45 | subopt | peppe: so what's the command to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7? `apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7` ? |
| 15:19.47 | Ramattack | y question was what exec lines did here... I assume the only thing they're doing then is redirecting the filedescritors 0,1, 2 to /dev/null for not to appear nothing on tty's isn't it? |
| 15:19.52 | amphi | Kevin`: in xorg.conf it's set to intellimouse |
| 15:19.52 | Ramattack | am I wrong? |
| 15:20.12 | Kevin` | kwzs:~# /etc/init.d/gpm start |
| 15:20.12 | Kevin` | Starting mouse interface server: gpm failed! |
| 15:20.13 | Kevin` | Eh? |
| 15:20.14 | peppe | subopt: yeah |
| 15:20.38 | Kevin` | oh I see the error, moment.. |
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| 15:20.49 | Kevin` | what protocol should I select gpm to repeat AS though? |
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| 15:22.00 | Kevin` | ar 31 10:21:47 kwzs /usr/sbin/gpm[8759]: oops() invoked from gpn.c(454) |
| 15:22.00 | Kevin` | Mar 31 10:21:47 kwzs /usr/sbin/gpm[8759]: Repeating into exps2 protocol not yet implemented :-(: File exists |
| 15:22.53 | Ramattack | could anyone help me please? |
| 15:22.53 | liable | !gpm |
| 15:22.54 | dpkg | from memory, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 15:22.58 | amphi | Kevin`: I have repeat_type=ms3 in gpm.conf |
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| 15:23.20 | Kevin` | ah, that worked |
| 15:23.25 | Kevin` | the mouse is still slow though |
| 15:23.27 | Kevin` | in gpm |
| 15:23.29 | Kevin` | now |
| 15:23.29 | liable | Ramattack: #bash |
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| 15:24.09 | Kevin` | bbl, have to finish this later I suppose |
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| 15:25.50 | Ramattack | ok sorry |
| 15:26.05 | liable | no need to apologise :) |
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| 15:27.40 | rpc | does anyone know what might be the problem? |
| 15:27.48 | rpc | i'm missing a file: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx: error while loading shared libraries: libXtst.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:27.56 | rpc | not sure what shall i install so it's there |
| 15:28.03 | subopt | peppe: got the new kernel and headers in. Now, how do i "install pre-complied pre-packaged nvidia drivers" ? I just tried to re-do the `m-a -i prepare` step from the howto i have, but it must be seeing that i'm currently running the older kernel, and it creates a broken sym-link to the old kernel headers (which don't exist). Feel like i'm missing a step, or need to reboot before proceeding maybe. |
| 15:28.14 | liable | some sort of vmware package... |
| 15:28.22 | rpc | yes, vmware-server |
| 15:28.37 | peppe | subopt: you don't have to install the headers if you install a precompiled driver :-) just apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 15:28.40 | xingu | !vmware |
| 15:28.40 | dpkg | i guess vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 15:29.00 | xand | rpc: I get the same... no idea |
| 15:29.08 | subopt | peppe: awesome! i should've dumped slackware a decade ago. |
| 15:31.03 | yoshio | rpc: there is a file by that name in the package libxtst6 |
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| 15:32.14 | yoshio | rpc: you can find files by using apt-file - I did apt-file update ; apt-file search libXtst.so - or go to http://packages.debian.org and search |
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| 15:32.34 | cusco | hi |
| 15:33.41 | rpc | yoshio hmm |
| 15:34.06 | rpc | that apt-file search idea is just amasing |
| 15:34.14 | rpc | i had no clue.. only used apt-cache before.. |
| 15:34.23 | rpc | thank you very much |
| 15:34.48 | rpc | xand that's libxtst6 |
| 15:35.30 | xand | does it work? |
| 15:35.42 | rpc | yes |
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| 15:35.53 | rpc | a small 69KB file that made a difference... |
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| 15:36.14 | rpc | setting up this crap took me 2 days... |
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| 15:37.58 | perlmonkey | rpc: :-/ |
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| 15:39.03 | rpc | perlmonkey :) |
| 15:39.05 | xingu | libxtst6's rdepends is a veritable nest of desktop candy |
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| 15:39.19 | rpc | that's strange then |
| 15:39.25 | perlmonkey | rpc: what did u have trouble with for 3 days |
| 15:39.32 | rpc | why in hell does vmware-server need that to check the damned serial number? |
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| 15:39.49 | rpc | perlmonkey trying to install vmware-server that had no support for debian etch |
| 15:40.06 | rpc | i had to patch source etc. |
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| 15:40.35 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:40.44 | perlmonkey | sounds like a big job |
| 15:40.51 | rpc | nice about shorewall too :) |
| 15:41.05 | rpc | perlmonkey lots of googling, chatting and trial and error |
| 15:41.06 | perlmonkey | did you see my rants earlier |
| 15:41.21 | rpc | now i made it to 90% and then it wanted me to have this libXtst crap |
| 15:41.31 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 15:41.32 | rpc | hm not really, i was away |
| 15:41.43 | rpc | but i can imagine the pain lol |
| 15:41.48 | ronni | is there a way to use apt-get to get the 2.6.18.4 kernel source for Debian Etch/RC2 for ARM chips? |
| 15:41.51 | perlmonkey | oh the pain! |
| 15:42.00 | rpc | house of pain! |
| 15:42.07 | rpc | The configuration of VMware Server 1.0.2 build-39867 for Linux for this running |
| 15:42.07 | rpc | kernel completed successfully. |
| 15:42.37 | _mh | hi all, I put a custom kernel on debian etch which complains as follows when it boots: 'pivot_root: No such file or directory, /sbin/init: 432: Cannot open dev/console: No such file, Kernel Panic: attempted to kill init' -- the boot folder has it's own partition and i specified root=/cciss/c0d0p3 on the initrd line in grub's menu.1st, but that didn't help |
| 15:42.37 | rpc | but was worth it.. |
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| 15:42.38 | rpc | hope you enjoy your shorewall as well, perlmonkey :) |
| 15:42.39 | bzed | _mh: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 15:42.44 | _mh | bzed, indeed |
| 15:42.49 | perlmonkey | linux = software for masochists |
| 15:42.54 | bzed | _mh: did you call it with --initrd ? |
| 15:43.03 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 15:43.05 | rpc | perlmonkey yes, sometimes i agree |
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| 15:43.30 | rpc | software written for professionals by professionals |
| 15:43.30 | _mh | no, i did mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12.6 2.6.12.6 afterwards however |
| 15:43.34 | astropanic | hi all |
| 15:43.38 | perlmonkey | true |
| 15:43.38 | rpc | nothing for an average joe |
| 15:43.38 | JordiGH | As if HURD were better at this time... |
| 15:43.38 | xingu | rpc: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_sarge_vmware_server_howto <- giyf. |
| 15:44.06 | astropanic | how I can monitor my monthly bandwidth usage with munin ? |
| 15:44.07 | xingu | rpc: http://blog.derjohn.de/snipsnap/space/start/2007-03-25/1 |
| 15:44.08 | rpc | xingu oh very nice one but that's for sarge and not etch |
| 15:44.11 | bzed | _mh: mkinitrd is depricated. I'd suggest to use mkinitramfs |
| 15:44.19 | systemv | i am trying to download one big iso file (600 mb) when i try with wget it download some line and stop can i use curl and if so what is options |
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| 15:44.27 | bzed | _mh: and you'd want to add the cciss driver to the list of modules to load. |
| 15:44.27 | JordiGH | Yet you call yourself perlmonkey... |
| 15:44.30 | rpc | thank you - i still might need them as i'm about to configure a remote console now lol |
| 15:44.46 | perlmonkey | JordiGH: but im hot at perl :P |
| 15:44.50 | _mh | bzed, I'll double check that, thanks |
| 15:44.53 | bzed | _mh: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 15:44.53 | systemv | http://www.vmware.com/download/downloadBinary.do?action=downloadBinary&file=esx-3.0.1-32039.iso&pot=1&baseURL=http://download2.vmware.com/software/vi/&code=VI3-EVAL-ISO&hashKey=d65eca59427d10356416cef31a7d4c9c&tranId=7874608 |
| 15:44.58 | rpc | perlmonkey lol |
| 15:45.01 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 15:45.02 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Would 3 CDs of 31.r5 be enough for a decent installation (GUI+compilers) ? thanks |
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| 15:45.09 | bzed | _mh: also, why are you using such an old kernel? 2.6.12 was buggy like hell imho |
| 15:45.10 | xingu | rpc: it's not too different; I'm scratching my head wondering why anyone still wants to use vmware these days but whatever. |
| 15:45.16 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: But you're not comfortable with free software? How do you think Perl was invented? |
| 15:45.19 | jelly-home | xingu: it works |
| 15:45.23 | liable | !cd contents |
| 15:45.23 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 15:45.26 | perlmonkey | i like free software |
| 15:45.30 | liable | K_Dallas: ^^^ |
| 15:45.33 | _mh | bzed, lustre patches... |
| 15:45.33 | wols | bzed: wasn't that one of the first kernels with new VM? |
| 15:45.36 | perlmonkey | i just dont like spending hours doing trival tasks |
| 15:45.42 | rpc | JordiGH perl has nothing to do with CLOSED source vmware... |
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| 15:45.59 | rpc | JordiGH it's just a free variation that requires compiling a module from source, rest is binary |
| 15:46.05 | bzed | wols: no clue, all I know is that I got a major headache from it and upgraded to 1.6.13-rc1 or so |
| 15:46.10 | rpc | and the module is the only pain... |
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| 15:46.27 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: 3 cds is probably overkill unless you're installing on many different machines. Get a netinstall instead. |
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| 15:46.40 | rpc | xingu want me to tell you why? |
| 15:46.52 | rpc | xingu fix my problems with vbox and i will not even mention vmware... |
| 15:46.53 | JordiGH | rpc: Huh? You're complaining to free software users that non-free software doesn't work right? |
| 15:46.54 | wols | _mh: no clue what lustre is, but do you need an initrd? |
| 15:47.08 | jesperj | can someone explain something to me? at lm-sensors.org, the changelog for release 2.10.2 says, "Add w83627dhg support (David Holl, #2157)". Fine. In the 2.10.3 source (yeah why not install latest), it says: "The kernel modules in this package will NOT compile for 2.6; use the drivers already in the 2.6 kernel.". um? why cant i use it with 2.6 kernel? and is the changes allready in the 2.6 kernels? how do i know from what kernel versio |
| 15:47.09 | jesperj | n the new changes are added et. confusion |
| 15:47.11 | rpc | xingu there is NO other software that does what i need to have done |
| 15:47.18 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, i really hate the netinstall. i have to leave my computer to download at a lower speed while I have already got the first 3 CDs. so by your account, i should have enough to go on with |
| 15:47.18 | bzed | K_Dallas: and for installing on many machines, you'd want to use preseeding or FAI, so just get a netinstall cd |
| 15:47.31 | rpc | JordiGH it wasn't vmware that didn't work, debian didn't |
| 15:47.32 | xingu | rpc: xen/kvm? |
| 15:47.45 | rpc | xingu xen sucks with networking big time |
| 15:47.52 | bzed | wols: I think _mh's problem is that the old mkinitrd doesn;t like to include needed modules and so likes to forget a lot of raid controllers - like HP's cciss |
| 15:47.55 | JordiGH | rpc: Debian can't work with non-free software and this is Debian's fault? |
| 15:47.56 | rpc | and kvm.. not sure |
| 15:48.03 | wols | K_Dallas: I wager that downloading 3 CDs tookd you longer than a netinstall would |
| 15:48.14 | xingu | rpc: "sucks with networking" ? |
| 15:48.21 | rpc | JordiGH standard debian configuration was missing a lib.. what part of that you don't understand? |
| 15:48.28 | _mh | I really should compile in everything into the kernel and do away with the initrd crap, but let me try what bzed is saying first |
| 15:48.28 | K_Dallas | wols, not really because i was doing my other stuff on the same time, so time was not wasted |
| 15:48.29 | wols | K_Dallas: you can also put he 3CDs in your sources.list PLUS the network based servres. so only stuff not on CD will be fetched from servers |
| 15:48.34 | liable | depends, when i was on dialup, i would download cd's at the local net cafe |
| 15:48.35 | rpc | xingu yes, the networking in xen guest is very weak |
| 15:48.44 | K_Dallas | wols, yes, i remember that part, thanks |
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| 15:49.05 | bzed | _mh: that's the other idea. at leat buil everythign in what you need to boot. but as soon as you need lvm or similar things you'll need an initrd |
| 15:49.10 | JordiGH | rpc: You just said it was missing a lib. And if non-free software isn't working with Debian, it's not Debian's fault. You knew how to fix Debian to get the missing lib; could you have asked Vmware to use something besides the missing lib instead? |
| 15:49.19 | rpc | JordiGH what is your point? |
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| 15:49.30 | rpc | are you going to kill me with your questions or what? |
| 15:49.48 | rpc | JordiGH i asked for help with my debian in debian, what's wrong? |
| 15:50.00 | JordiGH | rpc: The point is you're barking up the wrong tree. If you had problem with non-free software, it's not that "free software is for masochists because it doesn't work with non-free software." |
| 15:50.05 | bzed | rpc: xen doesn;t suck with networking at all, if you knwo how to configure it |
| 15:50.13 | rpc | i had a problem with debian, not vmware |
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| 15:50.28 | JordiGH | rpc: Then let's talk about that instead and forget this vmware crap. |
| 15:50.34 | wols | rpc: debian doesn't lack anything. all problems with vmware inside debian: ask vmware folks not us |
| 15:50.36 | rpc | bzed can it do host networking via bridge? |
| 15:50.37 | wols | !vmware |
| 15:50.37 | dpkg | [vmware] Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 15:50.43 | bzed | rpc: yes |
| 15:50.52 | K_Dallas | one other question: I am having stupid problems with grub (yes it was with ubuntu, feisty and 6.10) but i am wondering if i have to expect similar result with debian (no offense). my problem was that after installation (on 1 occasion i even asked the installer to install grub on floppy which it did not!) on an xp+vista sata hdd, the mbr was messed up and grub gave error 17! |
| 15:50.57 | rpc | bzed and what is the maximum bandwidth that one can use in xen guest? |
| 15:51.06 | rpc | i heard it's something around 5mbit.. |
| 15:51.27 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Uh, what's wrong with installing grub to the mbr? |
| 15:51.28 | rpc | while i need full 100mbit bw in there |
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| 15:51.33 | bzed | rpc: no clue, we're running several services from within xen and it delivers deifnitely more than 5 mbit |
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| 15:51.40 | rpc | hm |
| 15:51.58 | rpc | bzed and how about remote access to the guest? |
| 15:52.06 | bzed | rpc: and I doubt they would be able to sell it as enterprise product if it could deliver 5mbit only |
| 15:52.07 | xingu | one of these days I'll get off my slack arse and turn my ia32 chroot into a kvm guest. :) |
| 15:52.10 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, nothing, but for some reason i am unaware of, all my attempts for the past 2 days have rendered my system unbootable with grub error 17 |
| 15:52.16 | HowlingMad | hi im using an toshiba laptop with centrino t5500 duel core cpu and keep getting apic error in etch APIC ERROR CPU0, and 1 , anybody know how to solv this |
| 15:52.36 | bzed | rpc: either via *youfavouriteprogram^ running on the guest or via console from the host |
| 15:52.50 | rpc | bzed and can i access that console remotely? |
| 15:52.55 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, i have read that after installing grub on mbr, i had to add vista + xp manually to the menu.lst which i didnt care provided that it boots in the first place |
| 15:53.13 | xingu | HowlingMad: try "nolapic" boot arg |
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| 15:53.36 | HowlingMad | that makes errors go away but system only sees 1 cpu then |
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| 15:53.47 | rpc | bzed i mean what kind of console is that? is it accessible over tcp or only locally as a separate tool? |
| 15:54.06 | bzed | rpc: it's a tool on the host |
| 15:54.07 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: The latest etch install for Debian has not given me any kind of problems of that kind with grub... Error 17, I'm reading, is about not recognising the partition's filesystem (which is decidedly weird if you're just using ext3 and ntfs). |
| 15:54.12 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, the truth is that i used to like ubuntu installation but i am growing more liniant towards getting back to debian even if i have to install so many thing afterwards |
| 15:54.18 | rpc | HowlingMad what kernel? |
| 15:54.34 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, i am and it is a new sata-hdd |
| 15:54.45 | HowlingMad | 2.6.18-4-686 i think |
| 15:54.47 | bzed | rpc: I guess there're more ways to get a console out, never used them, though. I think having ssh on the guest is enough |
| 15:54.55 | oye | cyberpunk: (: |
| 15:55.00 | rpc | bzed hm then i wouldn't be able to use xen because i need to control the guest remotely and independtly, e.g. i need to be able to reboot it, reinstall it, etc. |
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| 15:55.34 | rpc | with vbox i can do that over rdp |
| 15:55.39 | bzed | rpc: how can vmware give you that? the vmware server probably, but not a normal vmware |
| 15:55.39 | HowlingMad | yep |
| 15:55.41 | rpc | with vmware there is a remote console too |
| 15:55.43 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, as the final attempt i am installing etch and if it didnt go well, i will hook up another old HD to install linux on it |
| 15:55.43 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Debian and Ubuntu have differing philosophies (can you say Iceweasel?) and I think they're different much beyond an ideological level. Attempt the Debian installation, and come back if you have problems. If during the etch installation you see something about grub finding your other operating system, you should be good to go. |
| 15:55.53 | rpc | bzed i AM trying server edition.. |
| 15:56.00 | _mh | bzed, moved forward from that one -- this time it complained about inotify not being supported by the kernel and udevd not being able to monitor -- I'll figure that out -- thanks a whole lot! |
| 15:56.21 | rpc | HowlingMad try i386 kernel, it will still run dual core |
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| 15:56.32 | rpc | HowlingMad while that problem might be gone |
| 15:56.33 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: I'm not sure it's relevant, but what's the partition layout on your computer? |
| 15:56.35 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, that is what i am going to do right now. thanks for the support, i would definitely come back and say how it went |
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| 15:56.58 | xingu | HowlingMad: sounds like you probably need a bios update (specifically: less busted acpi) |
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| 15:57.08 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, 3 primaries, xp+vista (ntfs), 3rd is ext3 and primary, 4th is extended left for swap |
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| 15:57.46 | xingu | HowlingMad: flash up to whatever the vendor claims is current and restart troubleshooting |
| 15:57.50 | JordiGH | Hm, I wonder if Vista has done weird things that etch doesn't know about yet... At any rate, grub's chainloader should be able to boot it. |
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| 15:58.27 | bzed | _mh: well, anything starting with 2.6.12 or something liek that should need udev. you can get yourself aroudn that probably, but I'd not do it |
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| 15:58.35 | xingu | HowlingMad: if you're already running a current bios, try irqpoll boot arg. |
| 15:58.41 | bzed | _mh: you probably want to install etch :P |
| 15:58.58 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, i knew vista was not linux friendly but i thought after having read a few guidelines on the net that after installing vista, linux should be able to handle it with some manipulation |
| 15:58.58 | bzed | _mh: or use a lot of stuff from bpo |
| 15:58.58 | _mh | bzed, this is etch -- have installed udev |
| 15:59.03 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Go for it. Let us know how it goes. Good luck! And you might want the extra eyecandy of the installgui boot parameter of the etch installer (it doesn't actually do anything useful, except make it look less intimidating.) |
| 15:59.06 | bzed | _mh: ah well then... there's somethign broken :P |
| 15:59.17 | bzed | _mh: oh hmmmmm |
| 15:59.25 | _mh | indeed -- inotify support missing .. i'll add that .. maybe that's all it'll take |
| 15:59.27 | bzed | _mh: there was a change in udev with 2.6.15 |
| 15:59.31 | HowlingMad | will do thanks |
| 15:59.44 | bzed | _mh: not sure if it still can use old kernels, but I think so |
| 15:59.49 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, last time i installed debian it was text based and i loved it ;) i am not much of an eyecandy guy ;) but i wold not be intimidated lol |
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| 16:00.09 | K_Dallas | anyways, time to burn those CD images |
| 16:00.15 | jelly-home | JordiGH: sexy animals? pervert |
| 16:00.22 | _mh | bzed, I hope so -- ordered 33 dl-365s for the client :) |
| 16:00.26 | xingu | JordiGH: making sweet sweet love? |
| 16:00.44 | JordiGH | Yeah, mascot slash pr0n. |
| 16:01.01 | bzed | _mh: heh :D if you run into problems with cciss you can still get the latest version from sf.net |
| 16:01.07 | oye | it would be nice if the installer had some lesbian sex texts (: |
| 16:01.11 | bzed | !tell JordiGH about pr0n |
| 16:01.21 | ronni | I've been trying to find 2.6.18.4 kernel source for Debian Etch/RC2 for ARM or ixp4xx... I can't seem to locate them.. I only found the kernel headers but not the source... |
| 16:01.21 | JordiGH | Tux at a terminal with a stack of cds at his side, f'rinstance. A Tux installing Debian next to me. |
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| 16:01.47 | wols | ronni: could be source is for all platforms the same |
| 16:02.33 | bzed | ronni: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18; and yes, the source is the same on all platforms, the headers not, though |
| 16:02.34 | wols | ronni: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-source&searchon=all&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 16:02.36 | Wyzard | ronni: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 16:03.17 | ronni | so I get the linux source for 2.6.18 and then overwrite the headers with the specific ones for ARM or ixp4xx? |
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| 16:03.40 | wols | ronni: no |
| 16:03.43 | xingu | jelly-home: I think I might have mentioned in passing a while back that my notebook had a "cool" feature whereby the acpi lid button autorepeated; I finally got around to asking the vendor if there was a newer bios - there was - which has fixed this. :) |
| 16:03.55 | Wyzard | If you're trying to compile third-party modules, the headers package is all you need |
| 16:03.56 | wols | get the source, compile with kernel-package. generate the headers there if you need |
| 16:04.05 | bzed | ronni: what the hell do you want to do!? |
| 16:04.14 | wols | Wyzard: he wants to crosscompile a new kernel for a NSLU2 |
| 16:04.15 | Wyzard | If you're trying to compile a custom kernel, get the source |
| 16:04.25 | Wyzard | OK, then get the source |
| 16:04.28 | ronni | wols, I threw away the idea of cross compiling |
| 16:04.30 | ronni | no no |
| 16:04.35 | wols | ronni: why? |
| 16:04.40 | xingu | jelly-home: now all I need is for their r&d team to agree with me that locking out the firstbios raid screen and forcing an ich7r into ide emulation mode (it's ahci compliant) qualifies as cruel and unusual and fix it. :) |
| 16:04.40 | ronni | Im actually going to compile the code on the NSLU2 |
| 16:04.41 | wols | the NSLU2 will tage AGES |
| 16:04.51 | azeem | it's just a kernel module I though |
| 16:04.53 | azeem | t |
| 16:04.54 | ronni | yes |
| 16:04.55 | ronni | that's right |
| 16:04.56 | supertux_ | Hi , I get an error when try to compile jack 0.103.0 in the debian way , that doesn't happens if I do with configure ,etc . Here is the output : http://rafb.net/p/OssYjg34.html Any idea,please?? |
| 16:05.00 | wols | not so much due to the CPU but the small memory is awful for gcc |
| 16:05.00 | ronni | just the kernel module |
| 16:05.05 | _mh | bzed, thanks again for your help |
| 16:05.09 | wols | then all you need are headers |
| 16:05.13 | ronni | ahhh ok |
| 16:05.15 | ronni | excellent |
| 16:05.18 | ronni | thank you |
| 16:05.22 | ronni | I'll go try it now |
| 16:05.26 | jelly-home | xingu: a) you don't need ahci b) you don't need junk on your boot screen! :-) |
| 16:05.26 | ronni | :D |
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| 16:05.39 | xingu | jelly-home: no ahci means no ncq |
| 16:05.39 | zimnyx | I've installed 2.6-k7 debian kernel, and after boot i get: "Unknown Interrupt or fault at EIP". I googled a bit, and found that boot option NOHIGHMEM can help, but wonder why it's compiled into standard debian kernel is so.. |
| 16:05.58 | Wyzard | jelly: ahci is highly preferable |
| 16:05.59 | perlmonkey | at least i am good at summat |
| 16:05.59 | me_here_ | i would like to have a Tux doin it with a Cow splash at boot |
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| 16:06.07 | me_here_ | lol |
| 16:06.12 | Wyzard | jelly-home: ahci means NCQ and hotplug support |
| 16:06.13 | bzed | zimnyx: that doesn't sound like a kernel problem, more like buggy bios or hardware |
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| 16:06.23 | jelly-home | hey, ahci means windows can't install, right? So it's no good :-) |
| 16:06.38 | xingu | :) |
| 16:06.44 | zimnyx | bzed: i got no such problem on 2.6-486 kernel |
| 16:06.46 | perlmonkey | you guys should relax a bit and get some time away from the screens |
| 16:06.46 | Wyzard | not really |
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| 16:06.46 | zimnyx | and others |
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| 16:06.56 | bzed | zimnyx: which cpu do you ahve? |
| 16:06.59 | wols | jelly-home: windows can install. slipstreaming for example |
| 16:07.03 | Wyzard | You can install Windows if you put the AHCI driver on a floppy for the installer to use |
| 16:07.03 | xingu | yes, that's exactly where they're coming from; I suppose I should thank my lucky stars they let me change the date |
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| 16:07.16 | Wyzard | oh, I see what you're getting at |
| 16:07.29 | RuFI0 | hello =) |
| 16:07.43 | skejoe | when I run dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source and tells it where my headers are this showing up: http://pastebin.antistof.dk/163 |
| 16:07.49 | zimnyx | bzed: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.13GHz |
| 16:07.52 | skejoe | what's wrong? |
| 16:08.06 | wols | xingu: slipstreamed drivers make it very very easy compared to tha tlfoppy crap. WTH are floppies? |
| 16:08.09 | zimnyx | bzed: laptop |
| 16:08.09 | skejoe | its a wacom volito tablet.. |
| 16:08.12 | xingu | oddly enough the bios update has also stopped the acpi embedded controller screaming; all in all, well worth bugging the tech team for this |
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| 16:08.21 | bzed | zimnyx: why do you try to use a kernel which was optimized for an AMD cpu on it then? |
| 16:08.30 | jelly-home | xingu: or ask them which bits to change in the flash image :-) |
| 16:08.34 | bzed | zimnyx: install the -686 kernel |
| 16:08.36 | perlmonkey | i managed to get a wacom tablet working in linux once, it was pure hell |
| 16:08.48 | zimnyx | bzed: oh, i thought k7 is for intel too. thanks |
| 16:08.49 | xingu | wols: :) don't ask me, I only used the preinstalled image for enough seconds to get the etch amd64 netboot image burnt and booted |
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| 16:08.53 | bzed | perlmonkey: I think all you do with linux must be the pure hell for you |
| 16:09.13 | jelly-home | xingu: which laptop model btw? |
| 16:09.14 | perlmonkey | bzed: pretty much, its like walking up a very steep hill and sliding back down |
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| 16:09.23 | xingu | jelly-home: I tried molesting it with an *ahem* "found" copy of the phoenix bios editor but it's too ancient to grok secure firstbios images. |
| 16:09.27 | HowlingMad | 386 kernel only shows 1 cpu coe |
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| 16:09.45 | xingu | jelly-home: uniwill p53in sold-as "rock pegasys 665" |
| 16:10.04 | perlmonkey | i've been using debian since 1998-99 approx, but have never mastered the beast |
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| 16:10.11 | HowlingMad | sould i be using amd64 or i386 to install on a intel t5500 duel core |
| 16:10.20 | wols | HowlingMad: either works |
| 16:10.29 | Wyzard | HowlingMad: amd64 would be preferable |
| 16:10.35 | wols | Amd64 |
| 16:10.38 | wols | !Amd64 |
| 16:10.39 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 16:10.42 | pipeline | HowlingMad: Install i386. |
| 16:10.51 | xingu | jelly-home: identical hardware in the fujitsu amilo p1537 |
| 16:10.55 | pipeline | HowlingMad: You can install an amd64 kernel to get better I/O and large memory support |
| 16:11.03 | pipeline | HowlingMad: But you want the i386 userland for maximum software compatibility |
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| 16:11.12 | perlmonkey | bzed: i'm not as smart as you guys |
| 16:11.15 | pipeline | HowlingMad: (Yes, the i386 debian has an amd64 kernel.) |
| 16:11.21 | Wyzard | well, if you're choosing which port of Debian to install, there are valid reasons why you might choose to stick with the 32-bit port (called "i386") |
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| 16:11.31 | xingu | jelly-home: there's various others; uniwill (now ecs) designs to order and then sells to all and sundry. |
| 16:11.34 | HowlingMad | thays why o went 386 first but cant figure this apic problem |
| 16:11.35 | Wyzard | but if you do, you should still install the -amd64 kernel, not the -386 kernel |
| 16:12.39 | bzed | HowlingMad: add noapic to your kernel options or try a very recent kernel, like 2.6.20.4, afaik that should be fixed inthere |
| 16:13.20 | perlmonkey | heres a puzzle for you guys to solve |
| 16:13.42 | kth | If you're already talking about amd64..... If I want to use 32 bit stuff, would it be preferable performance-wise to install 32 bit everything or 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userland? |
| 16:13.45 | HowlingMad | noapic fixes the error but only see 1 cpu |
| 16:13.52 | xingu | bzed: there's been problems with toshis that are fixed in 2007 bios updates; it's a pretty sure bet |
| 16:14.02 | HowlingMad | well nolapic fixes it |
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| 16:14.30 | xingu | bzed: and if not the answer is probably irqpoll until a suitable bios update *does* fix the (almost certainly boot-time hw setup) fault. |
| 16:14.31 | HowlingMad | its tostiba u200 |
| 16:14.38 | perlmonkey | I have a laptop with a fresh install of debian on (xfce cd), it has a d-link 650+ wifi card, which is not setup, and requires a driver, firmware, and a bunch of tools (modconf, module-assistant etc) installed to get it setup. but no way to get online |
| 16:15.10 | xingu | HowlingMad: what does dmidecode say about your bios version? |
| 16:15.12 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: and you can't go wired? |
| 16:15.20 | perlmonkey | no dice :( |
| 16:15.46 | perlmonkey | i will have to get everything i need on this computer and write a cd and mount it? i could get the .deb packages? |
| 16:16.03 | perlmonkey | should be ok? |
| 16:16.19 | wols | perlmonkey: does your notebook have an USB port? |
| 16:16.23 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 16:16.31 | HowlingMad | lots cant paste in chan |
| 16:16.52 | wols | firmware doesn't come in debs btw |
| 16:16.59 | wols | what I did in your istuation |
| 16:17.02 | perlmonkey | i got the firmware on a cd |
| 16:17.04 | wols | was using my usb flash drive |
| 16:17.09 | bzed | perlmonkey: since when does a notebook not have an ethernet port? |
| 16:17.23 | perlmonkey | bzed: mine only has a modem which sux eh |
| 16:17.30 | perlmonkey | no ether |
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| 16:17.44 | Miles_Prower | bzed: my epson actionnote 910c has neither modem nor ethernet. |
| 16:17.54 | wols | bzed: mine has no ethernet and no wlan |
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| 16:18.02 | bzed | wtf? |
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| 16:18.08 | perlmonkey | mine has 2 x pcmcia slots |
| 16:18.09 | wols | wlan comes in form of pcmcia just like perlmonkeys |
| 16:18.14 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 16:18.16 | badninja | hi all, how to set up eth0 in debian ? |
| 16:18.26 | wols | bzed: noteboks exist longer than the centrino brand... |
| 16:18.32 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 16:18.45 | perlmonkey | i have a toshiba tecra 8100 and i wouldnt change it for the world |
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| 16:18.50 | bzed | aaah |
| 16:18.51 | perlmonkey | its a good sturdy machine |
| 16:18.56 | wols | badninja: load the driver, edit /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/init.d/networking restart. done |
| 16:18.59 | Miles_Prower | same here.. |
| 16:19.07 | Miles_Prower | my laptop still has good battery life. |
| 16:19.08 | wols | perlmonkey: tecra 8000 here |
| 16:19.09 | Miles_Prower | somehow. |
| 16:19.15 | Miles_Prower | even though it's got the stock battery from 98 |
| 16:19.18 | perlmonkey | wols: hehe |
| 16:19.23 | Miles_Prower | =P |
| 16:19.32 | perlmonkey | those tecras are built to last eh |
| 16:19.36 | bzed | Miles_Prower: they had serious batteries that time, not those exploding little things |
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| 16:19.44 | perlmonkey | unlike these flimsy things they ship out today |
| 16:19.56 | wols | yes. of course the battery is shot. but the rest works really fine. of course, not much in there :) |
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| 16:20.03 | Miles_Prower | bzed: I also have a TI Travelmate, that's a PII/233, and god is it sturdy. |
| 16:20.04 | perlmonkey | ive been thru so many laptops and the hinges are usually the first thing to go |
| 16:20.08 | Pazzeo | Hi all |
| 16:20.10 | wols | but I can even watch movies now. no need for ricing for me |
| 16:20.16 | ronni | perlmonkey, right on |
| 16:20.27 | bzed | Miles_Prower: I can imagine |
| 16:20.38 | perlmonkey | wols: i picked up spare bats (brand new) for mine on ebay very cheap, i got one of those kits (original tosh) for the side (cd bay?) for like £5 |
| 16:20.39 | Pazzeo | Who can help me with NSLU2?? |
| 16:20.40 | HowlingMad | still get errors in amd64 kernel and irqpoll in grub |
| 16:20.40 | ronni | I hate it when the screen becomes loose |
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| 16:20.47 | ronni | hehehe |
| 16:20.54 | ronni | everyone is on the NSLU2 bandwagon |
| 16:20.55 | ronni | cool |
| 16:20.57 | Miles_Prower | too bad that acer bought TI's laptop line out. |
| 16:21.13 | wols | perlmonkey: not that cheap here. 35-40EUR minimum. more like 50-60 tho |
| 16:21.16 | Pazzeo | bandwagon?? |
| 16:21.25 | pipeline | the slug bandwagon |
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| 16:21.28 | pipeline | one rider at a time, please |
| 16:21.30 | ronni | Pazzeo, I was asking an NSLU2 question just a while ago |
| 16:21.35 | ronni | very helpful people here |
| 16:21.41 | perlmonkey | :-/ sometimes you can get bargains, the good thing about toshiba is everything is modular and compatible and plenty of it about |
| 16:21.49 | wols | Miles_Prower: embedded thingie running linux |
| 16:21.55 | pipeline | Miles_Prower: It's a cheap ARM device running linux |
| 16:22.01 | Pazzeo | ok sorry |
| 16:22.09 | Pazzeo | my question is |
| 16:22.15 | perlmonkey | wols: how many euros did you pay for your 8000? |
| 16:22.16 | Miles_Prower | I want one that's hand-crank powered. |
| 16:22.22 | Miles_Prower | like the MIT $100 laptop |
| 16:22.23 | wols | perlmonkey: zero |
| 16:22.25 | xingu | HowlingMad: http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/download_bios.jsp has v3.40 |
| 16:22.42 | ronni | I'm streaming cable television (700 kilobytes/second) on my lan using a WinTV USB2 tv tuner connected to my NSLU2.. the NSLU2 is the coolest device ever!! |
| 16:22.44 | xingu | HowlingMad: are you already using this per dmidecode? |
| 16:22.49 | wols | got it as a gift. owner wanted to throw it away. it just runs very well with a modern windows. but with linux, it's great :) |
| 16:22.55 | perlmonkey | I paid 210 euros approx for mine which was in an as new condition, complete with a nice toshiba carry case |
| 16:23.03 | perlmonkey | wols: phew |
| 16:23.06 | Pazzeo | what version do you use to downlaod file from edonkey network?? |
| 16:23.12 | wols | but mine is a p2-300, 128MB |
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| 16:23.19 | wols | yours is probably a P3 |
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| 16:23.31 | ronni | Pazzeo, I haven't setup p2p yet on the NSLU2, im planning on doing it tonight |
| 16:23.32 | perlmonkey | yes, mine is p3-600 with 256mb |
| 16:23.42 | ronni | I just recently got it and im setting it up over this weekend |
| 16:23.42 | badninja | hi how to edit eth0 in debian ? |
| 16:23.48 | perlmonkey | i have been trying to upgrade it to 512mb but pc133 is so expensive now |
| 16:23.50 | Pazzeo | I try amule but it is very instable |
| 16:23.51 | wols | !tell badninja about interfaces |
| 16:24.04 | wols | perlmonkey: especially SODIMMS |
| 16:24.04 | Pazzeo | because emuleweb crash |
| 16:24.08 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 16:24.12 | ronni | Pazzeo, I read somewhere that it's unstable |
| 16:24.26 | bzed | amule is as unstable as emule |
| 16:24.29 | wols | Pazzeo: apt-cache search edonkey |
| 16:24.31 | bzed | but there're chances that it works |
| 16:24.51 | HowlingMad | error is APIC Error on CPU1 40(40) and same for cpu0 |
| 16:24.55 | perlmonkey | wols: I also have an old Tosh Satellite (P1-166) which i like very much, but its a tad slow ;-) |
| 16:24.57 | wols | Pazzeo: not much choice is there? |
| 16:25.12 | Pazzeo | no wols now i use mldonkey |
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| 16:25.19 | ronni | wols, cool command, I was constantly wondering if there was an 'apt' command that performed a search on the repository |
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| 16:25.31 | ronni | better write this one down |
| 16:25.33 | wols | !tell ronni about search |
| 16:26.13 | bzed | !tell ronni abourt refcard |
| 16:26.24 | Pazzeo | wols do you use mldonkey? |
| 16:26.32 | bzed | !tell ronni about refcard |
| 16:26.33 | \amethyst | ronni: aptitude lets you do even more complex searches |
| 16:26.43 | ronni | very cool.. I'll check it out |
| 16:26.55 | wols | Pazzeo: I just did a apt-cache search |
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| 16:27.02 | ronni | nice.. a reference card.. im so excited |
| 16:27.17 | azeem | ronni: btw, I told you yesterday that you'd just need the headers... |
| 16:27.19 | nvz | ronni: no, but there is that command that does a search on your cache |
| 16:27.22 | \amethyst | ronni: like aptitude search 'ssh~Dkde*' to get every package with 'ssh' in the name or short description that depends on KDE |
| 16:27.31 | wols | ronni: debian has tons of docs. just no PR department that tells people about those docs |
| 16:27.39 | nvz | ronni: searching the repo would be slow and waste the servers resources |
| 16:27.40 | ronni | azeem, yeah, you're right.. I didn't understand at the time |
| 16:27.47 | jesperj | seems i need atleast kernel 2.6.21-rc1 (yeah newer exists so I'll get that if so) for lm-sensors to functtion, and it isn't available in debian. Is there any reason not to compile and use the source from kernel.org rather than using source from debian? |
| 16:27.56 | ronni | azeem, thank you for your help |
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| 16:28.31 | wols | jesperj: kernel.org souce will work fine. however, you should use kernel-package to build the kernel (so you get des easily) |
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| 16:28.34 | azeem | ronni: np |
| 16:28.44 | wols | *debs |
| 16:28.58 | jesperj | ok |
| 16:29.00 | jesperj | ty |
| 16:29.02 | cschnee | hi, how can i trace what files a programm accesses ? something like lsof but only for one prog/script |
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| 16:29.37 | kalila | what's the usual make target to create .tar.gz/tar.bz2? |
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| 16:29.47 | azeem | kalila: make dist |
| 16:29.52 | azeem | kalila: but the Makefiles need to support it |
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| 16:30.27 | \amethyst | cschnee: lsof -p PID ? |
| 16:30.36 | kalila | thanks :) |
| 16:30.41 | \amethyst | cschnee: or you can strace the program |
| 16:31.01 | \amethyst | cschnee: that will show all system calls, including file access. |
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| 16:31.16 | Pazzeo | how do I use the packages marked unstable?? |
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| 16:31.35 | wols | !tell Pazzeo about simple sid backport |
| 16:31.36 | cschnee | ahh...thats what i was looking for, THX! \amethyst |
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| 16:31.52 | xingu | cschnee: http://www.ysaito.com/linux-iotrace/ |
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| 16:32.02 | bintut | no one's in #user.openoffice.org and hopefully someone from this channel can answer me my question on OO.org Draw. i want to create a word using the Text tool but instead of the default (horizontal) orientation of the text, i want to rotate the word into 45 degrees clockwise. anyone here? |
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| 16:32.24 | xingu | cschnee: depends on what level of detail you want I imagine. :) |
| 16:32.29 | Pazzeo | thank you |
| 16:33.04 | slept | what am I doing wrong here: bash 2>&1 |tee logfile , I would like to have stderr aswell but like that it just sits and waits forever ... |
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| 16:33.27 | cschnee | thx all, i just want to debug a mythtv script, i want to know which grabber script it calls and i cant find any reference to it and am sick of trying around ;-) |
| 16:33.38 | apt-apt | Hi I just insalled debian for the first time and after installing I installed gnome-desktop, but the command gnome-session results in this terminal message "Gtk warning**:cannot open display. anyone know what's happening? |
| 16:34.06 | xand | run X |
| 16:34.34 | apt-apt | what is the command for running x? |
| 16:34.38 | Wyzard | apt-apt: gnome-session isn't supposed to be run directly like that; it's failing because it can't find X (the graphics environment), because X isn't running |
| 16:34.42 | Wyzard | startx |
| 16:34.51 | Wyzard | or more conveniently, use gdm (graphical login screen) |
| 16:34.52 | me_here_ | !seen bunny |
| 16:34.53 | dpkg | bunny <n=bunny@cpe-70-118-143-97.hot.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 271d 23h 9m 43s ago, saying: 'i hate HP >_<'. |
| 16:35.06 | \amethyst | bintut: use the rotation object after you create the text |
| 16:35.10 | slept | cschnee, strace it |
| 16:35.35 | apt-apt | startx gives command not found |
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| 16:35.41 | bintut | \amethyst: where can i find it? |
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| 16:36.20 | \amethyst | bintut: on the mode toolbar, it's just to the left of alignment, to the right of gallery |
| 16:36.31 | \amethyst | bintut: "Effects" |
| 16:36.34 | bintut | \amethyst: i got it already.. thanks.. :) |
| 16:36.46 | Wyzard | apt-apt: you might not have X installed, then |
| 16:36.51 | \amethyst | bintut: Have you tried inkscape |
| 16:36.52 | \amethyst | ? |
| 16:37.03 | apt-apt | sounds like it |
| 16:37.05 | odla | apt-apt: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 16:37.14 | odla | or aptitude |
| 16:37.20 | Wyzard | odla: I was going to suggest the "xorg" metapackage |
| 16:37.22 | apt-apt | can I just thanks |
| 16:37.32 | odla | Wyzard: sure...either way |
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| 16:37.52 | bintut | \amethyst: nope |
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| 16:38.44 | \amethyst | bintut: I prefer it to oodraw, but that's just me. |
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| 16:39.23 | HowlingMad | o.k i just got a new bios from toshiba ,a and my weiord apic problem has gone away |
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| 16:40.41 | slept | where can i find the source of tee ? |
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| 16:41.16 | apt-apt | I'm getting the message could not fin package xserver-xorg |
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| 16:42.00 | hark | slept: it's part of coreutils |
| 16:42.07 | perlmonkey | hi hark |
| 16:42.14 | hark | apt-apt: sarge or etch? |
| 16:42.26 | reto_ | etch |
| 16:42.26 | apt-apt | sarge |
| 16:42.27 | hark | hi :) |
| 16:42.37 | reto_ | ah, sorry.. |
| 16:43.09 | slept | hark, thanks |
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| 16:43.09 | hark | apt-apt: install x-window-system or x-window-system-core then |
| 16:43.09 | reto_ | thoguht that was 'should I apt-get sarge or etch' |
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| 16:43.49 | apt-apt | that's working thanks |
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| 16:45.37 | kth | How can I set alsa sound volume above what alsamixer allows me? I get much louder volume in windows(laptop speakers) |
| 16:47.51 | hark | raised both PCM and Master? |
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| 16:48.20 | kth | Yes, hda-intel driver, gives me master, pcm and capture, all at 100% |
| 16:48.48 | xingu | kth: tried adding "front" to your volume control and raising it? |
| 16:48.56 | slept | kth, try m-a a-i alsa |
| 16:49.28 | bzed|bbl | slept: are the alsa modules more recnt than the modules in 2.6.18? |
| 16:49.39 | slept | yes |
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| 16:50.12 | kth | xingu: How do I add volume control? |
| 16:50.22 | kth | slept: Trying that now... |
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| 16:50.25 | slept | bzed|bbl, you will get 1.0.13-5 |
| 16:51.19 | bzed | slept: any clue what's in 2.6.20? |
| 16:51.36 | slept | no |
| 16:51.48 | bzed | ah I'll figure it out |
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| 16:54.58 | xingu | kth: head -1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* - does this say "Generic" ? |
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| 16:55.48 | kth | Codec: Conexant ID 5045 |
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| 16:56.20 | xingu | kth: alsa update should help then. |
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| 16:57.13 | xingu | kth: problem is that your in-kernel alsa drivers don't support that codec; the volume controls are probably ether not connected to the hardware, or, the scaling values being used are wrong. |
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| 16:57.34 | bzed | uuuh |
| 16:57.42 | bzed | root___: sure you wanna use irc as root? |
| 16:58.02 | kth | Hmm... m-a a-i alsa did help a bit.... Got sound from headphones jack now |
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| 16:58.58 | Axehat | Hey |
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| 17:01.10 | kth | xingu: Hmm.... I take it you mean 'm-a a-i alsa' as alsa update? |
| 17:02.09 | xingu | kth: yep. |
| 17:03.10 | kth | Alright, it did help a bit, thanks, I don't suppose you know of any methods to set volume scales? |
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| 17:25.32 | bzed | kth: I guess you want to ask such very alsa specific questions in #alsa |
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| 17:26.01 | moshii | i have exim with dovecot on top for remote imap access.. does anyone know how to get sieve working with that combo? |
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| 17:29.11 | ariks | any idea why my input devices stop responding when I startx? |
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| 17:29.20 | ariks | i don't see anything strong in my xorg log |
| 17:30.02 | ariks | there are no EE error lines. |
| 17:30.06 | _mh | i know this is pushing it, but, rolling back the kernel to 2.6.12.6 on etch results in udev complaining that inotify support is missing -- i found a patch which puts inotify support in the 2.6.12 kernel (by robert love @ novell) and the kernel patches without any errors -- I can see inotify support compiled in. udev still complains in the same manner on boot and the system hangs |
| 17:30.28 | _mh | I am not even sure what my question is... |
| 17:30.51 | bzed | i guess your question is: how compatible is a new udev with kernels older than 2.6.15 |
| 17:31.07 | bzed | you could try to disable udev |
| 17:31.30 | bzed | what was the reason why you were using 2.6.12? |
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| 17:31.50 | _mh | I did -- unfortunately it didn't work .. lustre |
| 17:32.39 | bzed | _mh: hmmm what about using GFS2 ? |
| 17:32.43 | ariks | i even put quake in my xinitrc and that launched and ran happily. just my input devices don't respond, forcing me to reboot |
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| 17:32.52 | bzed | _mh: or OCFS? |
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| 17:33.17 | bzed | ariks: are you using etch or sarge? |
| 17:33.25 | ariks | sarge |
| 17:33.36 | _mh | gfs requires shared storage |
| 17:34.03 | bzed | _mh: you wanna use a SAN or something liek that, indeed |
| 17:34.27 | _mh | yeah, or a nas box -- lustre will compete with these products directly at a fraction of the cost |
| 17:34.39 | bzed | ariks: hmm. I have not idea, but paste your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /etc/log/Xfee...log into a pastebin please |
| 17:35.14 | _mh | plus we run it on drbd integrated with ha -- so it's a great working solution... unfortunately(?) already sold to the client as well |
| 17:36.01 | _mh | I could always go to sid and put the most recent release of lustre on it... packages and all available for that |
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| 17:37.34 | bzed | which kernel does the latest lustre release use _mh ? |
| 17:38.59 | _mh | vanilla, 2.6.12.6 -- for RH and Suse clusterfs provides kernel rpms -- 2.6.18 patches available for lustre beta releases |
| 17:39.15 | ariks | bzed: copying and pasting around virtual terminals is a bit of a pain.. I just started to pull X related packages from etch in the desperate hope that that will magically fix it. |
| 17:39.27 | bzed | ariks: uuuh |
| 17:39.35 | bzed | ariks: you've just decided to upgrade to etch :) |
| 17:39.40 | perlmonkey | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUN-SPARCstation-10-motherboard_W0QQitemZ140100506921QQcategoryZ101204QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:39.42 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 17:39.42 | bzed | !tell ariks about sarge->etch |
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| 17:39.50 | bzed | !tell ariks about pastebin |
| 17:40.02 | _mh | rh and suse have support for newer kernels... debian will get packages fairly soon I think.. especially when lustre 1.6 becomes stable |
| 17:40.17 | ariks | bzed: seems like it :) |
| 17:40.29 | _mh | bzed, workable solution to download cciss drivers from sf and load them during sarge install on these machines? |
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| 17:41.01 | bzed | _mh: yeah, build it against the installer's kernel and dump it somewhere on the cd and insmod it on install |
| 17:41.10 | bzed | _mh: should work, enver did it though |
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| 17:41.32 | bzed | perlmonkey: I think i'll stay with the SS10 I have here, thanks |
| 17:41.42 | _mh | sarge doesn't pick up the network card either btw -- tg3 driver |
| 17:41.55 | _mh | bzed, that sounds quite workable |
| 17:42.06 | bzed | enver heard about that one |
| 17:42.17 | bzed | for 33 boxes you want to use FAI anyway |
| 17:42.22 | bzed | !tell _mh about FAI |
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| 17:42.54 | bzed | _mh: I'd have a look for the tg3 driver's home, often you can just compile them well with old kernels |
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| 17:45.24 | bzed | !kick perlmonkey's nuts |
| 17:46.08 | bzed | !milk perlmonkey |
| 17:46.31 | ariks | hawt |
| 17:46.44 | perlmonkey | I need 1 more uw scsi drive to complete my array |
| 17:46.51 | perlmonkey | and it has to be 18.2gb |
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| 17:48.08 | NetNiet | he perlmonkey ... i will check my hobby room .. |
| 17:48.14 | perlmonkey | :-) |
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| 17:50.59 | bzed | perlmonkey: and as I suggested before, get a compaq/hp hw raid controller |
| 17:51.42 | bzed | perlmonkey: it's a bit pain the ass to update their firmwares and to do the initial configuration, but then you could do some hotpluggin magic :) |
| 17:51.56 | bzed | perlmonkey: although you should use sca disks for that |
| 17:52.30 | perlmonkey | bzed: i can already do hotplug magic :P |
| 17:52.39 | Axehat | Hey |
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| 17:54.24 | rpc | is there such thing as ftp server but for http? so i can serve files over http protocol |
| 17:54.27 | perlmonkey | bzed: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ultra-2-SCSI-high-Performance-Raid-Controller_W0QQitemZ170094402523QQcategoryZ96881QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:54.32 | perlmonkey | thats what i need eh |
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| 17:54.39 | rpc | ..with similar ease of operation, login, etc. |
| 17:55.12 | usr_rob | maybe debian will run smooth on my mini-itx board, 1ghz with 1g ram. i'm planning on having it as web/ftp/backup/sql, maybe it would be more correct to have a separate webserver but it should work well for home use i guess |
| 17:55.35 | Axehat | perlmonkey: How's the RAID situation? |
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| 17:56.05 | perlmonkey | Axehat! I did not manage to restore the raid in the end |
| 17:56.13 | Axehat | Bad luck |
| 17:56.22 | perlmonkey | i am starting over and making a new raid with more drives |
| 17:56.31 | Axehat | I gave up too |
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| 17:56.42 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 17:56.47 | Axehat | complete reinstall, rescued what I could with a live CD |
| 17:56.51 | perlmonkey | i tried to retrieve data |
| 17:56.56 | Axehat | starting over i mean... |
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| 17:57.19 | perlmonkey | using testdisk and photorec but I think the partitions were too mangled, I only managed to get small files off |
| 17:57.32 | Axehat | Loose anything important? |
| 17:57.39 | bzed | perlmonkey: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Compaq-5304-256Mb-Array-Controller_W0QQitemZ170096728306QQcategoryZ96881QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:57.54 | bzed | perlmonkey: those babies rock, although they're pretty old |
| 17:57.59 | perlmonkey | phew loads, im gutted |
| 17:58.10 | bzed | perlmonkey: and they work well with 72G disks... and pretty fast |
| 17:58.21 | _mh | bzed; thx ;) |
| 17:58.44 | bzed | perlmonkey: up to 14 disks per channel |
| 17:58.45 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 17:58.48 | bzed | _mh: you're welcome |
| 17:58.58 | Axehat | ow, I managed to get off almost all of it |
| 17:58.59 | bzed | perlmonkey: so probably the smaller version will be enough for you ;) |
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| 17:59.04 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 17:59.11 | DawnLight | hello fellas |
| 17:59.14 | bzed | perlmonkey: I think there's a 5302 with 2 channels |
| 17:59.16 | ecm_ | Hello. |
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| 17:59.18 | ecm_ | is there anyway to find out the files (and the location of the files) that were installed with the X package? I could use apptitude or apt-show-versions to get the currently installed packages, but can I see the files that were installed and where? ( without dpkg -c , assuming that the .deb's aren't on the system anymore ) |
| 17:59.39 | bzed | ecm_: dpkg -L packackagename |
| 17:59.39 | odla | dpkg -L foo |
| 17:59.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching foo |
| 17:59.53 | odla | dpkg: :( |
| 17:59.53 | dpkg | ) |
| 18:00.07 | Axehat | !ping |
| 18:00.07 | dpkg | pong |
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| 18:00.22 | DawnLight | hi bzed |
| 18:00.28 | ecm_ | ah, darn, missed that option. thanks. |
| 18:00.46 | DawnLight | pearlmonkey how's it going with your debian |
| 18:00.48 | skandaleras | hi all, I'm creating a gnome .deb package and I wonder if there is any rule in debian/rules which is called in installation time ... :_O I mean, is there any way to tell a debian package: "in installation time call this command" |
| 18:02.12 | skandaleras | ecm_: dpkg -L your_package |
| 18:02.17 | bzed | skandaleras: there're a LOT :D |
| 18:02.25 | skandaleras | really? :S |
| 18:02.26 | bzed | skandaleras: you wanna read the new maintainers guide |
| 18:02.39 | skandaleras | ok, thanks bzed! |
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| 18:03.05 | bzed | skandaleras: whaat do you want to package? |
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| 18:03.49 | skandaleras | bzed: a gnome application which use cdbs (makefiles for gnome) |
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| 18:04.28 | bzed | skandaleras: if you're using cdbs in debian/rules you don;t ahve to do anythign anymore |
| 18:04.32 | DawnLight | i can use some advise here: i am installing using netinst cd and the internet is via some dynamode wireless pci card, which debian installation doesn't show me on the list in the network configuration step. a referral to a howto will be great |
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| 18:05.05 | skandaleras | bzed: what I'm trying is to install another schema file for the gnome application (i mean, one more) |
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| 18:05.48 | bzed | skandaleras: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml there's the docu.. but it's down today :( but I think there's some docu in /usr/share/doc/cdbs |
| 18:05.49 | myren_ | i love how 90% of the kernel-patch modules just fail miserably with module-assistant |
| 18:05.52 | myren_ | completel fuck up |
| 18:06.04 | bzed | myren_: that sounds like PEBCAK |
| 18:06.15 | myren_ | like what? |
| 18:06.17 | bzed | !pebcakl |
| 18:06.18 | bzed | !pebcak |
| 18:06.19 | dpkg | hmm... pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
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| 18:06.41 | bzed | if you have a kernel patch, you don't use m-a |
| 18:06.52 | myren_ | i'm using 2.6.20.4 |
| 18:06.58 | bzed | if you have a modules source package, like madwifi-spurce, then you use m-a |
| 18:07.15 | myren_ | madwifi gave me a INIT_WORK not found error |
| 18:07.24 | myren_ | most everything gives me some random error |
| 18:07.29 | skandaleras | thank u bzed! I'll try to download the doc package for cdbs |
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| 18:07.58 | myren_ | theres a lot of missing linux/config.h errors |
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| 18:08.09 | myren_ | which is weird because the kernel compiled and installed fine |
| 18:08.26 | bzed | myren_: linux/config.h is deprecated |
| 18:08.38 | bzed | myren_: which distro are you using? |
| 18:10.21 | myren_ | unstable |
| 18:10.21 | myren_ | the modules all seem to want it |
| 18:10.22 | bzed | myren_: O_o |
| 18:10.23 | myren_ | i havent actually checked to see which of the modules are obsolete and have newer versions in the kernel |
| 18:10.23 | bzed | myren_: why don;t you justd use the normal debian kernel? |
| 18:10.23 | myren_ | because its ancient |
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| 18:10.23 | bzed | myren_: is there anything of you hardware not supported by it?> |
| 18:10.24 | myren_ | is unstable frozen for etch or something? |
| 18:10.24 | bzed | !tell myren_ about testing |
| 18:10.24 | myren_ | the new io schedulers work much better on my laptops. |
| 18:10.28 | bzed | myren_: the CFQ scheduler is in 2.6.18 |
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| 18:11.06 | bzed | myren_: the only patch that would make sense on a laptop are the -ck patches. |
| 18:11.15 | debiangrl | bzed, i was never able to get my nvidia driver to work. is there a way to use glx with the nv driver? |
| 18:11.26 | myren_ | what exactly do you mean "config.h" is deprecated? |
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| 18:12.57 | DawnLight | how do i use a wireless lan card in netinst? it doesn't show up in the list of adapters |
| 18:13.22 | rjalex | hello the ifplugd package does not create any /etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.conf file and neither an /etc/default/ifplugd file ... what should I do to fox this ? thanks |
| 18:13.31 | rjalex | *fix |
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| 18:14.03 | bzed | debiangrl: no, not really. but we could try to figure out if your card needs the legacy driver in etch for some reason |
| 18:14.03 | rjalex | is this a wanted behaviour of the ifplugd package in etch or a buglet ? |
| 18:14.24 | rjalex | ciao bzed always on to help humanity 8-) |
| 18:14.25 | bzed | myren_: err no, not the config.h... autoconf.h or something |
| 18:14.27 | Gryfelhase | hi@all :). I've the following questionch when I update an i386-kernel to an 686-Kernel on A Pentium II 333Mhz, ... what speed-incrase could i reach? (typical, maximum, or in what cases) |
| 18:14.47 | bzed | rjalex: :P |
| 18:14.54 | rjalex | very little Gryfelhase |
| 18:15.00 | debiangrl | i ran the nvidia utility that looks at your card to determine which version and it said "current version of driver" |
| 18:15.04 | Gryfelhase | The same question for a AMD-K7-Kernel on Athlon XP 1900+ |
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| 18:15.25 | Gryfelhase | rjalex: What is the big advantage, when I would do so? |
| 18:16.06 | debiangrl | bzed, i can try to install the legacy driver just to see if it works |
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| 18:16.16 | rjalex | gryfelhase: that you feel prouder of yourself 8-) and maybe support of some special features such as methods of saving power etc |
| 18:17.04 | nvz | you gain the ability to not have your hd boot on a system with a lesser or different cpu |
| 18:17.04 | bzed | debiangrl: sure. |
| 18:17.21 | rjalex | correct nvz |
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| 18:17.31 | Gryfelhase | rjalex: Ok, thx... |
| 18:17.50 | rjalex | and being your CPU a Pentium 2 333MHz you do not want to do that !!!! |
| 18:17.56 | rjalex | really no point |
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| 18:18.10 | pipeline | Gryfelhase: It's not something to worry about. |
| 18:18.14 | rjalex | never fix what works !!! 8-) |
| 18:18.26 | potolo | "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable." Hi. I get that msg when trying to run a .sh shell script that starts a program (gui, binary, jar). The installed Sun JRE (on Etch) is fine afaik. What parameters can I enter on the cmdline to help it 'connect'? It's not run as root. |
| 18:18.32 | bzed | myren_: I'll build a 2.6.20 now just to figure out if the madwifi stuff still builds against it |
| 18:18.36 | pipeline | Gryfelhase: So, err, typically, you'll see no speed up whatsoever :) |
| 18:18.37 | debiangrl | bzed, do i have to remove the current driver first? |
| 18:18.42 | rjalex | bzed yes it does |
| 18:18.52 | pipeline | potolo: "xhost +" disables X11 security. |
| 18:18.53 | rjalex | bzed I have done that a few days ao |
| 18:18.55 | bzed | debiangrl: yeah, you ahve to deinstall all nvidia driver stuff |
| 18:18.55 | rjalex | ago |
| 18:19.02 | rjalex | works perfectly |
| 18:19.06 | myren_ | bzed: looks like it might just be a bad rev of the madwifi driver |
| 18:19.19 | bzed | myren_: no |
| 18:19.26 | tralala | time to upgrade I get it |
| 18:19.27 | rjalex | i pulled the madwifi with svn from madwifi.org days ago |
| 18:19.30 | bzed | myren_: not if you're just using the debian madwifi-source package |
| 18:19.38 | rjalex | and complied very well under my 2.6.20.4 system |
| 18:19.44 | potolo | pipeline: thanks |
| 18:19.53 | Gryfelhase | pipeline: That's ok, I trusted rjalex ;) |
| 18:20.11 | DawnLight | i'm stuck here... can't find info in google... can't install wireless lan... can't install debian... need... linux... bah... |
| 18:20.17 | bzed | myren_: if you;ve build your own kernel, you should use make-kpkg to build your modules |
| 18:20.17 | potolo | pipeline: It worked. Thanks, you're a star :-D |
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| 18:20.44 | bzed | myren_: extract the module tar.bz2 in /usr/src and use make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image for example |
| 18:20.50 | rjalex | dawnlight what are you sing to install debian ? |
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| 18:21.11 | rjalex | *using |
| 18:21.24 | DawnLight | netinst, rjalex |
| 18:21.34 | rjalex | what wireless chip have you got ? |
| 18:21.42 | debiangrl | bzed, i did a package listing and it says i have nividia-legacy drivers installed |
| 18:21.42 | myren_ | bzed: i'll do that. i was doing that earlier but something sidetracked me back to module-assistant |
| 18:21.48 | DawnLight | rjalex: dynamode something |
| 18:21.50 | myren_ | thanks |
| 18:21.55 | bzed | debiangrl: uh? why that? |
| 18:22.13 | bzed | debiangrl: if you were using them all the time it would explain the problem :P |
| 18:22.20 | rjalex | dawnlight sorry but NEVER heard of that wireless chip ... are you sure that's what it is ? |
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| 18:22.52 | debiangrl | bzed, lol. i never installed legacy drivers. should i just remove every package containing *nvidia* ? |
| 18:23.16 | rjalex | mhhh my pasta sauce with tunafish is smelling great ! |
| 18:23.51 | DawnLight | there's some serial numbers written on it but... perhaps i havn't checked throughly enough, rjalex. what is the procedure for doing this? it doesn't show up in the list in the installation. |
| 18:24.12 | rjalex | dawnlight is it a portable ? |
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| 18:24.34 | DawnLight | desktop, rjalex |
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| 18:24.53 | potolo | rjalex: just googled it; new to me to. made by nirox.co.il it seems. distributed worldwide. I forget the command to get the paramaters of plugged-in things. lspci something no wait that isn't it |
| 18:24.56 | rjalex | dawnlight you could try booting with a live CD if you have any and see if your wifi adapter gets recognized and see what is it ..... |
| 18:25.10 | rjalex | lspci |
| 18:25.18 | rjalex | or lsmod to see the modules loaded for it |
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| 18:26.11 | DawnLight | rjalex: okay got that part |
| 18:26.21 | potolo | DawnLight: or if you have windowsxp installed on the machine even boot that to look in its device manager. ah you have it, good |
| 18:26.55 | rjalex | is this of any help dawnlight ? http://list.driverguide.com/list/LINUX/company336/index.html |
| 18:27.01 | DawnLight | i'm in windows rjalex/potolo |
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| 18:27.59 | rjalex | or this http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/8951-problem-installing-driver-a360.html |
| 18:28.10 | potolo | DawnLight: you can note down the card details from there. (right-click on my computer, properties>>device manager, etc) |
| 18:28.29 | bzed | debiangrl: yeah probably an idea |
| 18:28.38 | bzed | debiangrl: and then start again :D |
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| 18:29.10 | rjalex | seems dynamode wifi cards are not supported very well under linux |
| 18:29.20 | rjalex | a lot of posts do not show any solution |
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| 18:29.34 | rjalex | what about getting some decently supported new adapter ? is that an option ? |
| 18:29.47 | potolo | DawnLight: that link driverguide.com that rjalex gave seems to link drivers for some models, at least |
| 18:29.50 | Kevin` | rjalex wifi support is by chipset, not manufacturer. rule 1 :) |
| 18:29.52 | bzed | debiangrl: hmm, I wonder why you had the -legacy pacakges installed, you should not be able to isntall the normal apcakges and the legacy packages |
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| 18:30.01 | rjalex | of course kevin |
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| 18:30.13 | Kevin` | rjalex I recomment atheros if you want something nice |
| 18:30.24 | Kevin` | a lot is supported though |
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| 18:30.32 | rjalex | kevin thank you I am writing from an atheros chip right now ... |
| 18:30.47 | Kevin` | what do you have now? |
| 18:30.50 | rjalex | i was helping someone ... not a problem |
| 18:30.51 | rjalex | lol |
| 18:30.57 | rjalex | you are confusing threads kevin |
| 18:31.08 | rjalex | me thinkad t42 with an atheros chip .... |
| 18:31.11 | rjalex | battery going down |
| 18:31.17 | rjalex | adios amigos !!!! |
| 18:31.22 | Kevin` | bai |
| 18:31.32 | Kevin` | who did ask anyway? |
| 18:31.37 | rjalex | the guy to help is dawnlight kevin |
| 18:31.37 | potolo | will ndiswrapper help with the wireless problem? |
| 18:32.09 | Kevin` | potolo maybe. use it as a last resort |
| 18:32.21 | Kevin` | potolo what chipset you have? |
| 18:33.10 | potolo | Kevin`: It was DawnLight using the wireless chipset; I was just contributing. I'm on a wired router setup here =) |
| 18:33.25 | Kevin` | I give up lol |
| 18:34.23 | DawnLight | and if i find a driver for this - what do i do? |
| 18:34.34 | Kevin` | DawnLight what is it? |
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| 18:35.38 | Kevin` | DawnLight what does lspci or lsusb say |
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| 18:35.42 | DawnLight | oh i have another one here! it's usb and it's written WL-GI-700S |
| 18:36.13 | Kevin` | whats the numeric id too |
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| 18:36.18 | thomasg__ | hi. question: how can I install a local package with resolving depencies? apt cannot install local packages, dpkg cannot resolve depencies. |
| 18:36.22 | potolo | Kevin`: at this moment s/he's looking in the windows device manager to note down device details to aid Debian installation |
| 18:36.38 | Kevin` | ah. |
| 18:36.51 | Kevin` | can device manager show usb device ids? |
| 18:36.59 | Kevin` | I know it can show pci |
| 18:36.59 | potolo | thomasg__: find out what the dependencies it wants are, check on packages.debian.org to see if they come in your version of Debian |
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| 18:37.15 | xjkx | I was making all my partitions primary ! now i am fu** up because i can have only for ! and i need another one, I found out even my linux swap is a primary partition, i think its the only one I can delete, so what, can I delete my swap (which is only 300mb) make another one primary, then make an extended and add swap as logic with NO DATA LOSING? :> |
| 18:37.18 | potolo | Kevin`: I think it can on one of the tabs once an individual device is selected |
| 18:37.39 | DawnLight | i'm in windows right now, Kevin` |
| 18:37.42 | thomasg__ | potolo, I could install all the depencies by hand, they are in stable. |
| 18:37.43 | Kevin` | xjkx you can safely delete swap. turn it off first |
| 18:38.01 | Kevin` | xjkx swapoff /dev/whatever |
| 18:38.04 | thomasg__ | potolo, but that takes much time and shoult be possible another way :) |
| 18:38.14 | thomasg__ | the problem simply is, that dpkg doesnt resolve depencies. |
| 18:38.27 | potolo | thomasg__: does apt-get? |
| 18:38.34 | Kevin` | potolo yes |
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| 18:38.47 | thomasg__ | apt-get does, but like I said, apt doesnt allow to install local packages |
| 18:39.02 | xjkx | Kevin`, but the primary partition which is on swap has only 300mb :< i need to make a partition with 4gb, when I delete the swap partition it won't be like a primary free 300 mb right? I expect it to be nothing, not primary, not extended, just free space, then I make my 4gb partition primary, am I right? |
| 18:39.07 | thomasg__ | I have one package on my HD I want to install. it has several depencies which are installable by apt |
| 18:39.29 | karsten | thomasg__: Install those deps. Then install your package. |
| 18:39.45 | thomasg__ | karsten, yeah, I could do that :) |
| 18:39.48 | potolo | apt does install local packages. |
| 18:39.50 | thomasg__ | but installing 30 deps by hand is boring |
| 18:39.54 | thomasg__ | potolo, how? |
| 18:40.01 | karsten | thomasg__: aptitude install <list of packages> |
| 18:40.05 | Kevin` | xjkx it will indeed be nothing.. |
| 18:40.14 | karsten | thomasg__: cry me a river |
| 18:40.18 | DawnLight | i'm gonna just try and see if it detects it during installation |
| 18:40.20 | thomasg__ | karrotx, no, that doesnt work. |
| 18:40.32 | karsten | thomasg__: Wrong nick |
| 18:40.34 | potolo | I usually use frontends such as synaptic/kpackage because I'm lazy. but apt-get can install local pkgs standalone |
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| 18:40.41 | thomasg__ | sry |
| 18:40.53 | thomasg__ | aptitute takes the <list of packages> as names and looks in the sources if it can find those names |
| 18:41.03 | thomasg__ | but local install is not possible |
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| 18:41.21 | mfrisch | thomasg__: you can always have a local mirror on your hd. then apt-get works |
| 18:41.23 | valdyn | thomasg__: use dpkg -i file.deb and apt-get -f install |
| 18:41.28 | xjkx | Kevin`, thanks, just the last question, will debian boot with no swap partition so I'd just swapoff /dev/~ ? or I'd have to acess a linux debian cd and chroot/ |
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| 18:41.43 | xjkx | linux live-cd* |
| 18:41.58 | Kevin` | xjkx depends on your memory. probably will be fine |
| 18:42.09 | xjkx | ok, going to do thank you |
| 18:42.12 | jelly-home | thomasg__: you can create a local repository for apt |
| 18:42.16 | karsten | thomasg__: Sorry: you have one non-debian package (what is it BTW) you're trying to install, which has deps on some 30 or so debian packages, or 30 or so *non* debian packages? |
| 18:42.40 | valdyn | not like any package has 30 direct depends anyway |
| 18:42.41 | thomasg__ | no karsten, it is a .deb package. |
| 18:43.03 | karsten | thomasg__: If you've copied the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives aptitude should see 'em. |
| 18:43.04 | thomasg__ | you simply dont know what I'm talking about, but thanks anyway |
| 18:43.17 | karsten | thomasg__: You're not talking clearly. |
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| 18:43.20 | jelly-home | karsten: don't think so |
| 18:43.21 | karsten | thomasg__: Define "it". |
| 18:43.31 | thomasg__ | valdyn, I tried with apt-get -f install, but the only thing it does is remove the local package |
| 18:43.38 | karsten | jelly-home: ?? |
| 18:44.02 | valdyn | thomasg__: then that is because it cannot fix the '30 dependencies' because they cannot be fixed with the packages available |
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| 18:44.14 | jelly-home | karsten: if the package isn't in a Packages file, I don't think apt/aptitude will "know" about it being in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:44.43 | karsten | jelly-home: I thought those showed up as obsolete or locally installed. |
| 18:44.51 | jelly-home | karsten: hmm. |
| 18:45.02 | karsten | jelly-home: But I could be wrong on that. May only be there once they're installed. |
| 18:45.02 | valdyn | thomasg__: where's that package from? |
| 18:45.12 | karsten | valdyn: That would be a key bit of data. |
| 18:45.17 | valdyn | thomasg__: whats hard about cut and pasting dependencies |
| 18:45.20 | thomasg__ | its the "mumble"-server |
| 18:45.30 | karsten | thomasg__: Also recommend you pastebin *NOT TO CHANNEL* output of attempt to install package. |
| 18:45.32 | jelly-home | VMWARE? |
| 18:45.34 | thomasg__ | directly from the mumble project on sourceforge |
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| 18:46.32 | thomasg__ | pastebin: http://phpfi.com/221898 |
| 18:46.33 | jelly-home | thomasg__: create a local single directory repo, put all the mumble packages there, add that repo to sources.list, update, install |
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| 18:47.00 | valdyn | thomasg__: that .deb is for Edge Eft? |
| 18:47.10 | valdyn | thomasg__: that's not a debian package |
| 18:47.30 | jelly-home | valdyn: we already knew it wasn't a debian package |
| 18:47.38 | valdyn | jelly-home: we did, sure |
| 18:47.46 | valdyn | thomasg__: its not suited for a debian system |
| 18:47.50 | potolo | if it's not a debian package it won't work on debian. |
| 18:47.57 | jelly-home | fact it was built for Ubuntu doesn't mean much |
| 18:48.04 | jelly-home | potolo: nonsense |
| 18:48.06 | thomasg__ | valdyn, how can you see that? |
| 18:48.29 | valdyn | thomasg__: by reading the first page:"We have provided binary files for Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)." |
| 18:48.30 | potolo | jelly-home: sure about that? |
| 18:48.41 | thomasg__ | oh, what a pitty |
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| 18:48.52 | jelly-home | potolo: positive, i have opera and skype here that prove otherwise |
| 18:48.56 | thomasg__ | didnt know that the binary packages are not compatible |
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| 18:49.02 | thomasg__ | I'm no debian user for normal |
| 18:49.12 | en1gma | hey all wuzzup. last night i tried to do a debian-netinstall to my 1gig usb stick (deleted partition and made a ext3fs and made it abootable...using the debian-netinstall cd) anyhow it all instlaled fine...even put grub on that usb stick /dev/sde1 but it wont boot( set all the options in the bios for it t oboot too) anyone know why it is not working |
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| 18:50.02 | jelly-home | thomasg__: they _might_ work, but there's absolutely no guarantee. Like with any other 3rd party package. |
| 18:50.02 | valdyn | thomasg__: its incompatibility is not directly encoded nor is the compatibility. They could work, or not, or could break your system |
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| 18:50.03 | potolo | thomasg__: you could always download the tar.bz2, uncompress it to a directory then run "configure --prefix=/usr"" then "make" followed by - as root - "make install", or somesuch. |
| 18:50.03 | h3sp4wn | Other than eft uses libc6 2.4 |
| 18:50.07 | thomasg__ | kk, I know how to compile :) |
| 18:50.21 | thomasg__ | thanks for your help |
| 18:50.22 | jelly-home | ugh, installing random stuff with prefix /usr? |
| 18:50.22 | thomasg__ | what a pitty that deb packages are not compatible between distros. |
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| 18:50.36 | Kevin` | usr/local exists for a purpose.. |
| 18:50.47 | potolo | jelly-home: well,not like any third-party package no. a debian package is built for the purpose of running on a debian system. a package from a Debian variant such as (k)ubuntu, Linspire etc. etc., is not |
| 18:50.49 | h3sp4wn | thomasg__: if there is a deb-src for it you probably could compile it |
| 18:50.54 | valdyn | thomasg__: they are not even compatible between different releases within distros |
| 18:51.13 | en1gma | anyone have any ideas why the usb stick wont boot debian |
| 18:51.18 | potolo | Kevin`: the purpose of not installing icons and such for desktops like kde |
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| 18:51.41 | mfrisch | en1gma: how far does it get? |
| 18:51.54 | en1gma | it says missing operating system |
| 18:51.56 | en1gma | when it boots |
| 18:51.57 | fasta | Is there any application that can read video material from a Canon PowerShot A520? |
| 18:52.09 | Kevin` | make install to /usr could be fun to clean up if you need to uninstal it :) |
| 18:52.17 | Kevin` | but its your conputer |
| 18:52.23 | fasta | It appears digikam and gphoto2 do not have this feature. |
| 18:52.25 | h3sp4wn | You could use installwatch |
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| 18:53.41 | en1gma | who what |
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| 18:54.12 | valdyn | thomasg__: dont compile the usual way |
| 18:55.03 | yoshio | fasta: I have an A530 - gphoto2 will read photos from it. or get a usb card reader, the SD memory card is a vfat filesystem |
| 18:55.06 | thomasg__ | valdyn, why not? |
| 18:55.23 | valdyn | thomasg__: because it provides the files required to create a deb from source |
| 18:55.45 | fasta | yoshio: I can already get the photos. Maybe the CLI version also allows to give me video. |
| 18:55.47 | yoshio | fasta: are you on Sarge? |
| 18:55.55 | fasta | yoshio: no, Unstable. |
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| 18:56.05 | valdyn | thomasg__: unpack the source, look into the debian directory inside it , install the build-deps listed in the control file |
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| 18:56.53 | en1gma | about my usb stick debian-install...has anyone tried this DOES it actually work or am i barking up the wrong tree |
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| 18:57.00 | thomasg__ | theres no debian dir in the tar.bz2 |
| 18:57.06 | DawnLight | Kevin`: lspci showed me the card i'm quite sure |
| 18:57.20 | valdyn | thomasg__: look again, im building this as we speak |
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| 18:57.39 | thomasg__ | erm, k :) |
| 18:57.41 | thomasg__ | there is ^^ |
| 18:57.42 | Kevin` | DawnLight what was the 8 char hex id from -n, and name shown |
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| 18:58.03 | valdyn | thomasg__: ok, read the control file to get the build-depends.. |
| 18:58.18 | valdyn | thomasg__: then chmod +x the 'rules' file in the same directory |
| 18:58.23 | ariks | well upgrading to etch did fix my input in X |
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| 18:58.31 | valdyn | thomasg__: after that go back ( cd .. ) and run 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 18:58.52 | DawnLight | i'll reboot again Kevin`. what should i type? |
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| 18:59.02 | valdyn | thomasg__: building this right now for sid/amd64, will see how that goes |
| 18:59.26 | Kevin` | DawnLight lspci and lspci -n.. wasnt it usb though?? |
| 18:59.36 | valdyn | thomasg__: tata: mumble_0.9.4_amd64.deb mumble-server_0.9.4_amd64.deb |
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| 18:59.45 | RsaDesign | Hallo |
| 18:59.46 | yoshio | fasta: use a USB card reader, videos appear as mvi_xxxx.avi (and .thm) files |
| 19:00.05 | mikefoo | I am getting messages of "ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet." in dmesg, this is on webservers that do not use iptables. Is this effecting performace of the machine any, or? anyone have an idea. |
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| 19:00.57 | DawnLight | Kevin`: i have two now i've discovered. one is pci and the other usb, both dynamode. i prefer using the pci. |
| 19:01.10 | Sonics | If vi it was made by Microsoft http://www.dimension.netsons.org/index.php?menu=6 |
| 19:01.21 | valdyn | thomasg__: oh well, its not 64-bit clean, crashes |
| 19:01.34 | valdyn | thomasg__: or maybe that's my alsa setup |
| 19:01.57 | RsaDesign | anyone know if i can use a modem card to connect a normall phone and use it for VIOP? |
| 19:02.00 | fasta | yoshio: The problem I have is that the camera powers down when it's in the middle of a transfer. |
| 19:02.30 | mfrisch | RsaDesign: a modem good luck |
| 19:02.33 | fasta | yoshio: Hmm, I guess it's because of the "power saving"-mode (idiot mode) |
| 19:02.54 | Kevin` | modems are designed for data. some can do voice though |
| 19:03.02 | mfrisch | ewh |
| 19:03.03 | bhundven | Sonics: if that were true, I would have never used vi. |
| 19:03.03 | Kevin` | better to use the sound card |
| 19:03.08 | yoshio | fasta: why not use a card reader instead of using your batteries? |
| 19:03.30 | fasta | yoshio: Because I don't have one right now and want to access it now? |
| 19:03.31 | bhundven | RsaDesign: no |
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| 19:04.03 | yoshio | fasta: ah, I see |
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| 19:06.48 | Fly-man- | How can I upgrade 5 server from kernel 2.4 to 2.6.x without losing network functionality for my DNS servers |
| 19:07.36 | me_here | where's the place debian artwork is done ? |
| 19:07.53 | bhundven | RsaDesign: http://www.fatofthelan.com/articles/articles.php?pid=26 |
| 19:07.54 | centrx | Fly-man- you cannot upgrade a kernel without rebooting |
| 19:08.00 | Sonics | bhundven yeah |
| 19:08.01 | centrx | Fly-man- you could do them one at a time though |
| 19:08.05 | Kevin` | Fly-man- the upgrade will need a restart.. dns can handle a server going down though if designed properly |
| 19:08.08 | Fly-man- | centrx, that is not a possibility |
| 19:08.21 | me_here | tux do you hear me ride a cow!!! |
| 19:08.24 | me_here | tux do you hear me ride a cow!!! |
| 19:08.25 | Fly-man- | Kevin, the servers are the DNS backbone |
| 19:08.31 | me_here | lol |
| 19:08.50 | Fly-man- | I need some way to get them all at once |
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| 19:09.37 | Kevin` | well its possible to do all at once of course, but normally id think that was unwise |
| 19:09.42 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: are you trying to upgrade your dns servers? |
| 19:09.43 | DawnLight | Kevin`. lspci returns more then the screen so how do i section that? |
| 19:09.48 | Fly-man- | jelly, nope |
| 19:09.55 | Fly-man- | Im still running 2.4 kernel |
| 19:10.01 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: what has dns got to do with it then? |
| 19:10.12 | Gryfelhase | Where can I get the state of debian for arm-machines? |
| 19:10.12 | Kevin` | DawnLight shift+pgup or lspci|less |
| 19:10.19 | Fly-man- | jelly, the servers that are 2.4 are the DNS backbone |
| 19:10.32 | Gryfelhase | arm-processors I mean |
| 19:10.32 | bhundven | xand: to the funny farm? |
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| 19:10.33 | xand | yes |
| 19:10.33 | bhundven | :-D |
| 19:10.42 | Fly-man- | The new servers are running 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 19:10.42 | Kevin` | Fly-man- dns backbone but not doing dns?? |
| 19:10.45 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: I don't understand what "dns backbone" means :-| |
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| 19:11.01 | Fly-man- | jelly, my whole network is backup by those 5 servers |
| 19:11.06 | phogg | Fly-man-: put in another server to take up the load, give it the IP of an existing server as you swap that server out. Upgrade the swapped out server, swap it back in. Repeat |
| 19:11.12 | sasha_bn | hi |
| 19:11.22 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! In my quest to add debian to my preexisting xp+vista hard disk, I finally decided to let debian installer to add its grub into mbr. BUT i am still getting this annoying error message: grub is loading stage 1.5 , .... error 17 |
| 19:11.25 | sasha_bn | how can i remove automake-1.6 |
| 19:11.30 | Fly-man- | phogg, ever tried 5 DNS servers to 1 server ;) |
| 19:11.43 | Ash-Fox | ... |
| 19:11.44 | Fly-man- | Phogg, using mydns |
| 19:12.00 | jelly-home | phogg: also have network personnel handy to flush arp caches when moving an ip to a different machine |
| 19:12.02 | phogg | Fly-man-: no. However, if you want to upgrade with no downtime you have very few options. |
| 19:12.04 | \amethyst | apt-get remove automake1.6 ? |
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| 19:12.19 | phogg | jelly-home: that's a given |
| 19:12.20 | Fly-man- | or somebody knows a good DNS server that I can run with a good web interface ? |
| 19:12.20 | Gryfelhase | apt-get remove --purge automake1.6 |
| 19:12.28 | sasha_bn | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:12.28 | sasha_bn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.28 | sasha_bn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.28 | sasha_bn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.28 | sasha_bn | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 19:12.30 | Kevin` | Fly-man- dns can handle servers going down, its why you are required to have at least 2 for a domain.. I dont see what your saying |
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| 19:13.02 | sasha_bn | sorry |
| 19:13.02 | Ash-Fox | DNS usage is distributed with windows clients if I recall. |
| 19:13.02 | Fly-man- | Kevin, those 5 servers are my DNS servers |
| 19:13.02 | Kevin` | Fly-man- BIND is a great dns server |
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| 19:13.03 | Fly-man- | I need them to be up 100 % |
| 19:13.03 | phogg | Ash-Fox: so? |
| 19:13.03 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: so reboot them one at a time. |
| 19:13.03 | Fly-man- | else my network goes "beep" |
| 19:13.03 | bhundven | RsaDesign: I hope that helps you get a voip gateway up so you can better understand how voip is supposed to work. |
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| 19:13.07 | Ash-Fox | BIND has a long security history. |
| 19:13.12 | Fly-man- | jelly, they're all connected to each other |
| 19:13.16 | Kevin` | Fly-man- who cared about beep, its still working. |
| 19:13.18 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: so? |
| 19:13.28 | Fly-man- | I build up a script that checks if all servers are online |
| 19:13.29 | Kevin` | taking them all down will make it not work |
| 19:13.30 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: do you know how dns works? |
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| 19:13.35 | centrx | Fly-man- describe that more, what do you mean they are all connected to each other |
| 19:13.36 | Fly-man- | jelly, I know :) |
| 19:13.39 | Kevin` | thats why you have 5 yes? |
| 19:13.40 | centrx | Fly-man- so turn off the script for a few hours |
| 19:13.54 | Fly-man- | centrx, ever tried that in a production enviroment ? |
| 19:14.04 | Fly-man- | Running 20 servers on Debian here |
| 19:14.10 | Fly-man- | bought 10 new ones |
| 19:14.16 | bhundven | Ash-Fox: just like any other app that has been around since the stone ages. like sendmail, but this doesn't mean that it is bad. |
| 19:14.19 | Fly-man- | they're all ready up with 2.6 |
| 19:14.30 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: how many clients are you serving with those 5 dns servers? |
| 19:14.31 | Fly-man- | but now want to upgrade the old 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 19:14.32 | Kevin` | Fly-man- dns severs if set up properly can propogate information to each other and WILL handle servers bieng down |
| 19:14.36 | Fly-man- | jelly, 10.000 |
| 19:14.37 | Ash-Fox | bhundven, sendmail isn't a good example :P |
| 19:14.42 | bhundven | hahaha |
| 19:14.51 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: dude, you don't need 5 of them, 2 will suffice. |
| 19:15.01 | Fly-man- | with ± 20.000 hits an hour |
| 19:15.03 | jelly-home | measly 10000 clients. |
| 19:15.04 | bhundven | isc-bind has been around just as long |
| 19:15.05 | Kevin` | Fly-man- are these dns for a domain or resolvers for clients? |
| 19:15.18 | Ash-Fox | BIND has had many design flaws. |
| 19:15.19 | Fly-man- | Kevin, only domain resolvers |
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| 19:15.31 | wols | Fly-man-: do you have them all over the world on different networks or something? |
| 19:15.34 | Fly-man- | wols, 2 at NY |
| 19:15.41 | centrx | Fly-man- you mean you are at max capacity? what if the hardware failed on one of them? |
| 19:15.42 | Fly-man- | the rest is here in Amsterdam |
| 19:15.49 | Fly-man- | centrx, then 2 servers die |
| 19:15.55 | Kevin` | Ash-Fox what would you recommend thats better then bind and does everything? |
| 19:16.13 | Fly-man- | Maybe I should explain: |
| 19:16.23 | bhundven | Ash-Fox: the evolution of networking and programing has made a lot of things change over time. In some of these changes, bugs were introduced. This is unavoidable for some projects. |
| 19:16.24 | Fly-man- | I'm running a low website service |
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| 19:16.36 | Fly-man- | I found out that with mydns it's easy to make a domain |
| 19:16.38 | Ash-Fox | Kevin`, I've used POSADIS, the only thing it doesn't do is dynamic DNS updates. |
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| 19:16.51 | Fly-man- | and the people can always update their domein online |
| 19:16.56 | Fly-man- | tried PowerDNS |
| 19:17.03 | Fly-man- | but that didn't export as well as mydns |
| 19:17.17 | Fly-man- | every 10 sec the primary start to synchronize |
| 19:17.23 | Fly-man- | the 4 other dns servers |
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| 19:17.36 | Fly-man- | it exports a mysql query that is read into the other servers |
| 19:17.46 | Fly-man- | they they're all up and god again |
| 19:17.46 | K_Dallas | Q: In my quest to add debian to my preexisting xp+vista hard disk, I finally decided to let debian installer to add its grub into mbr. BUT i am still getting this annoying error message: grub is loading stage 1.5 , .... error 17 |
| 19:17.49 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: so schedule some downtime for the GUI, shut it down to prevent updates, then reboot one server at a time. |
| 19:17.53 | Kevin` | Fly-man- so your not using normal zone transfers? |
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| 19:17.58 | Fly-man- | Kevin, no |
| 19:18.07 | Fly-man- | Jelly, if I change the primary |
| 19:18.11 | Fly-man- | the slaves will die |
| 19:18.14 | Nyle | hello babies |
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| 19:18.29 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: contact support for your dns app |
| 19:18.29 | Fly-man- | that;s the problem with mydns |
| 19:18.30 | Kevin` | Fly-man- thats a bad setup :) |
| 19:18.36 | Fly-man- | Kevin, I know |
| 19:18.42 | Ash-Fox | Nyle, hello. |
| 19:18.52 | Fly-man- | Love to hear suggestions which DNS server i could install |
| 19:18.58 | Fly-man- | now that I need to upgrade |
| 19:19.04 | Nyle | djb/bind? |
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| 19:19.06 | Nyle | pick one |
| 19:19.08 | Kevin` | I like bind. but some dont seem to like it |
| 19:19.11 | Fly-man- | It needs to be managable from the web |
| 19:19.20 | Fly-man- | and needs to be supporting slave |
| 19:19.29 | bhundven | Fly-man-: then use bind and webmin |
| 19:19.37 | jelly-home | ugh, webmin sucks |
| 19:19.40 | Fly-man- | bhund, webmin isn't what I am using |
| 19:19.42 | bhundven | u suck |
| 19:19.43 | Kevin` | theres plenty of web guis for bind compatible zones |
| 19:19.52 | Fly-man- | pure for the security holes in it |
| 19:19.55 | piper69 | hi all |
| 19:19.55 | Nyle | dude |
| 19:19.57 | Kevin` | webmin has a history of security problems |
| 19:19.59 | Nyle | don't recommend webmin |
| 19:20.01 | Ash-Fox | I feel really nervous with BIND after having experienced people exploit it a few times just as soon as exploits were disclosed. |
| 19:20.04 | Nyle | wtf is wrong with you |
| 19:20.04 | phogg | so the mydns synch process is fucked |
| 19:20.14 | Fly-man- | phogg, yupz |
| 19:20.23 | Fly-man- | when I take out 1 of the 5 servers |
| 19:20.31 | Fly-man- | the other 4 go dead |
| 19:20.37 | phogg | Fly-man-: maybe ask mydns people? Surely this isn't an isolated problem |
| 19:20.48 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: what would happen if that one server crashed? |
| 19:21.00 | Fly-man- | jelly, then the other DNS servers would be dead as well |
| 19:21.07 | Fly-man- | I didn't think this up |
| 19:21.17 | Fly-man- | I just started 5 days ago with management |
| 19:21.21 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: you want to contact support ;-) |
| 19:21.22 | phogg | Fly-man-: so there's no redundency? This is all load balancing? |
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| 19:21.43 | Fly-man- | phogg, there's no reduntancy |
| 19:21.50 | Fly-man- | when 1 server is down |
| 19:22.01 | Fly-man- | the others will ceize to exist for that domain |
| 19:22.13 | \amethyst | when one particular server is down, or when any of them go down? |
| 19:22.16 | Fly-man- | so i'm open to suggestions :) |
| 19:22.20 | jelly-home | IMHO that makes absolutely no sense to me |
| 19:22.24 | Fly-man- | amethyst, then 1 server goes dead |
| 19:22.38 | Kevin` | Fly-man- get a better system before something bad happens |
| 19:22.48 | Fly-man- | Kevin, thats why I'm upgrading to 2.6 |
| 19:22.49 | jelly-home | why would anyone design a dns server like that |
| 19:23.07 | Fly-man- | jelly, I think that is the reason the old sysadmin was fired ... |
| 19:23.29 | Kevin` | better dns I mean, nothing inhetantly wrong with 2.4 other then oldness and some performance |
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| 19:23.44 | Fly-man- | As I was told, 2.6 is better with memory |
| 19:23.50 | Ash-Fox | Fly-man-, are you sure he didn't just configure the TTLs badly? |
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| 19:23.53 | Fly-man- | and has more options for USB boot and stuff |
| 19:24.07 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: Can't you do mysql replication in such a way that the secondary can still work (with old information) if the primary dies? |
| 19:24.17 | Fly-man- | Amethyst, nope |
| 19:24.20 | phogg | Fly-man-: since the servers cannot go down what is the point of usb boot? |
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| 19:24.27 | mike1o | !it |
| 19:24.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 19:24.30 | Fly-man- | The primary has all the info |
| 19:24.42 | robin_sz | eh? |
| 19:24.42 | Kevin` | \amethyst why even do mysql replication? dns has replication built in |
| 19:24.47 | Fly-man- | phogg, the servers come down every 10 days |
| 19:24.56 | Fly-man- | but this morning all servers needed to be down |
| 19:25.23 | Fly-man- | and now for some reason, all 2.4 servers stay dead |
| 19:25.27 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: so shut down your GUI, make a copy of the mysql db and primary setup, and do a switch to a new server. |
| 19:25.30 | phogg | Fly-man-: I don't understand. If they all go down every 10 days why can't you switch the kernel then? |
| 19:25.31 | Nyle | man I'm so glad I don't admin any kinda crap |
| 19:25.48 | bhundven | hah |
| 19:25.48 | Fly-man- | phogg, the last time they went down is somewhere in nov 2005 |
| 19:26.04 | Fly-man- | they say: "Why take them down, the servers run fine" |
| 19:26.08 | Nyle | my servers have never went down, EVER |
| 19:26.14 | bhundven | Nyle then how can you tell me what to and what not to suggest to people? |
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| 19:26.21 | Kevin` | Nyle time for some updates :) |
| 19:26.24 | Nyle | nah |
| 19:26.26 | Fly-man- | But any suggestions ? |
| 19:26.33 | Nyle | I don't fix stuff that aint broke |
| 19:26.33 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:26.45 | Fly-man- | I can change the DNS servers to 1 server for 1 hour or so |
| 19:26.47 | phogg | Fly-man-: you're giving contradictory information. They come down every 10 days, but they have not ben down since 2005. What? |
| 19:26.54 | Fly-man- | then copy all sites to a temporary server |
| 19:26.57 | Nyle | bhundven, webmin is a piece of shit. |
| 19:27.01 | bhundven | lol |
| 19:27.03 | Kevin` | Fly-man- personally, bind with a web gui of your choice |
| 19:27.03 | bhundven | it's true |
| 19:27.07 | Nyle | allow me to repeat |
| 19:27.11 | Nyle | bhundven, webmin is a piece of shit. Really. |
| 19:27.14 | bhundven | but I usually just manage configs and such by hand |
| 19:27.17 | Fly-man- | Phogg, the last sysadmin wrote down in the logs: |
| 19:27.19 | Nyle | good man |
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| 19:27.34 | Fly-man- | "10 november 2005: Server 1,2,5 need to be down for 2 hours" |
| 19:27.35 | bhundven | he wanted a web interface and I couldn't think of anything good right off the bat |
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| 19:27.54 | Fly-man- | Then after that, there's no notes when they went down |
| 19:27.56 | jelly-home | bhundven: CPanel? |
| 19:27.57 | RsaDesign | webmin is like eating shit through a straw |
| 19:28.03 | bhundven | I hate cpannel |
| 19:28.07 | bhundven | I'd rather do it by hand |
| 19:28.10 | Nyle | bhundven imo you shouldve told him to grow a sack, fill it with some balls, and start using CLI |
| 19:28.12 | Fly-man- | And then all of a sudden, it's like 10 days |
| 19:28.13 | Nyle | or configs by hand |
| 19:28.15 | DawnLight | okay Kevin` still here? i got:... |
| 19:28.15 | RsaDesign | even if its possible it sucks |
| 19:28.15 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:28.19 | bhundven | :-D |
| 19:28.35 | Kevin` | the web ui is needed for clients people, normal non-geeks |
| 19:28.36 | dsl4470 | dpkg error "glib.sh: applet not found \n dpkg:error processing libc6 (--configure)" -- this wretched problem has occupied the better part of my early afternoon. Any clues? |
| 19:28.37 | bhundven | I've never ever had a problem with bind. |
| 19:28.40 | Fly-man- | K, 2 DNS servers would be sufficient for 10.000 clients ? |
| 19:28.52 | bhundven | just keep it up to date |
| 19:28.53 | Nyle | bind is good, I have given djb a shot, but its worthless |
| 19:28.53 | Kevin` | Fly-man- should be |
| 19:28.54 | struct | what are you guys talking about? |
| 19:28.58 | wols | Fly-man-: depends on how the DNS is dimensioned, but yes |
| 19:29.00 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: you have 10k machines in your network? |
| 19:29.05 | Nyle | especially with its ridiculous lisencieng |
| 19:29.33 | Fly-man- | jelly, I have 20 servers in the network |
| 19:29.35 | struct | Fly-man-: you need dns servers for what purpose? |
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| 19:29.45 | Fly-man- | struct, for resolving internal domains |
| 19:29.49 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: so 20 _dns_ clients, then. |
| 19:29.59 | Fly-man- | and being a backup server for resolving the internet |
| 19:30.24 | struct | Fly-man-: you might want to consider having some caching only servers for internet recursive resolving |
| 19:30.29 | DawnLight | 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 80 2.11b/g wireless (rev3), Kevin` |
| 19:30.37 | struct | Fly-man-: and then have 2 for internal domain resolving |
| 19:30.41 | Fly-man- | Well, let me get it: |
| 19:30.50 | Fly-man- | I now have 5 servers that are on 2.4 |
| 19:30.53 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: i'd go with 2 servers for internal network and 2 for recursion (internets) |
| 19:30.59 | Fly-man- | Each server has it's own DNS server |
| 19:31.00 | struct | Fly-man-: 2.4 of what? |
| 19:31.10 | Fly-man- | struct, Debian 2.4 kernel |
| 19:31.12 | Kevin` | DawnLight ok. I dont think thats supported by a native driver, you will probably have to use ndiswrapper |
| 19:31.13 | bhundven | man. I totally left my irc client open all night. I need to get away from this thing. my weekend is shrinking..... |
| 19:31.15 | struct | oh |
| 19:31.25 | struct | Fly-man-: why not do what jelly-home says |
| 19:31.39 | struct | Fly-man-: and you do not need each dns server to have its own dns server |
| 19:31.41 | Fly-man- | jelly, which software to use ? |
| 19:31.56 | Fly-man- | struct, I can build 1 big machine that holds all the domains |
| 19:32.04 | struct | Fly-man-: just let dns servers use 127.0.0.1 and then one other server |
| 19:32.11 | Fly-man- | but i need more then 1 dns server |
| 19:32.16 | struct | Fly-man-: and what if that machine dies? |
| 19:32.18 | Fly-man- | else the server will be overloading |
| 19:32.18 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: can't tell you what to use, but we use DJB's junk for both caching and primaries and it works. |
| 19:32.24 | Moorenkopf | is there an automated way to let sshd generate keys for the server, or do I have to use ssh-keygen if I want new ones? |
| 19:32.25 | Fly-man- | struct, then the server is dead |
| 19:32.28 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: and some custom interfaces. |
| 19:32.38 | struct | Fly-man-: and if you have 1 dns server that is dead then what? |
| 19:32.39 | Fly-man- | djb ? |
| 19:32.43 | phogg | please don't use djb |
| 19:32.51 | phogg | it's bad mojo. |
| 19:32.54 | Fly-man- | struct, in this situation, all servers die |
| 19:32.58 | jelly-home | phogg: it works impressively well. |
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| 19:33.05 | struct | Fly-man-: why? |
| 19:33.06 | Kevin` | Moorenkopf the install process will generate keys, or the server when first started |
| 19:33.25 | Fly-man- | struct, all server are instructed to receive the mysql query each 10 mins |
| 19:33.31 | Kevin` | Moorenkopf ssh-keygen is normally used for client keys |
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| 19:33.34 | DawnLight | Kevin`: i'm going all the way. where do i get a howto? |
| 19:33.35 | phogg | jelly-home: granted. And he's smug about that. It's still not cool. |
| 19:33.35 | Fly-man- | when they don't receive those |
| 19:33.37 | struct | Fly-man-: mysql query? |
| 19:33.44 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: why? |
| 19:33.51 | jelly-home | phogg: who the fuck cares about cool? It works. |
| 19:33.53 | Fly-man- | struct, the primary server outputs a mysql query each 10 mins |
| 19:34.02 | struct | Fly-man-: for what purpose? |
| 19:34.03 | Fly-man- | for the changes to the domains |
| 19:34.10 | Moorenkopf | Kevin`: well, I'm used to gentoo and deleted the key files in /etc/ssh, restarted the server and.. nothing :) |
| 19:34.12 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: read up on zone transfers |
| 19:34.20 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: or Mysql replication |
| 19:34.24 | struct | Fly-man-: you don't maintain dns by hand? |
| 19:34.30 | Kevin` | Moorenkopf erm, why did you do that? :) |
| 19:34.36 | Fly-man- | struct, I don't manage anything |
| 19:34.39 | Moorenkopf | Kevin`: wanted new ones |
| 19:34.44 | K_Dallas | Q: In my quest to add debian to my preexisting xp+vista hard disk, I finally decided to let debian installer to add its grub into mbr. BUT i am still getting this annoying error message: grub is loading stage 1.5 , .... error 17 |
| 19:34.44 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: The slave servers shouldn't die when they don't get updates |
| 19:34.52 | Fly-man- | all users can change their DNS entries online |
| 19:34.52 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: they should keep going as backup servers |
| 19:35.01 | Fly-man- | I only manage the background process |
| 19:35.09 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: so stop them from changing the database. |
| 19:35.13 | Fly-man- | amethyst, on the clients, the primary is first |
| 19:35.19 | Kevin` | K_Dallas boot from a grub disk, and do this: |
| 19:35.23 | Fly-man- | after that, the client dies |
| 19:35.25 | \amethyst | Fly-man-: and? |
| 19:35.34 | phogg | jelly-home: philisophically bad is still bad. Encouraging people not to go that direction is better for society. |
| 19:35.35 | Fly-man- | because the primary also holds the proxy settings |
| 19:35.44 | jelly-home | phogg: bwahaha |
| 19:35.57 | Fly-man- | Primary is running, DNS, DHCP, Proxy settings for clients |
| 19:35.57 | Kevin` | K_Dallas root (hd0,root partition) (replace root partition with correect number) |
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| 19:36.11 | Kevin` | setup (hd0) |
| 19:36.15 | Fly-man- | Secondaries are running Squid, DNS, domain (sites for people) |
| 19:36.26 | Fly-man- | so if the primary dies |
| 19:36.33 | DawnLight | can i get a reccommendation for a linux supported wireless lan pci card? |
| 19:36.35 | Fly-man- | the secondaries are useless |
| 19:36.39 | jelly-home | phogg: DJB is a jerk, true that. However, this particular piece of software called djbdns does its job well. |
| 19:36.57 | struct | Fly-man-: you need better design of your infrastructure |
| 19:36.57 | pipeline | DawnLight: Intel. |
| 19:37.09 | Fly-man- | struct, that is why I am asking here |
| 19:37.15 | wols | pipeline: do they make PCI cards? |
| 19:37.17 | Fly-man- | what can i change to make it better |
| 19:37.19 | stoned | jelly-home meh.. I would disagree. It does its job... but thats it. I suppose well/good/bad/ are relative terms. |
| 19:37.22 | Kevin` | DawnLight I recommend an atheros b/g or a/b/g card. many people make them (linksys dlink etc, just check thr chipset before buying) |
| 19:37.24 | stoned | djb sucks ballsacks |
| 19:37.26 | K_Dallas | Kevin`, i tried to put grub on a floppy and it didnt work either. where can i get a grub disk? |
| 19:37.32 | phogg | jelly-home: I do not disagree. |
| 19:37.36 | struct | Fly-man-: but you are not asking you are telling us what you intend to do and I think its not good |
| 19:37.39 | pipeline | wols: Adapters for mini-PCI and cardbus are cheap/common. |
| 19:37.44 | Kevin` | K_Dallas I can give you an image if you need |
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| 19:37.50 | struct | Fly-man-: dns needs redundancy |
| 19:37.53 | K_Dallas | i would certainly appreicate it |
| 19:37.58 | Fly-man- | struct, then enlight me what to do :) |
| 19:37.59 | struct | Fly-man-: there should be no if the primary dies everything dies |
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| 19:38.07 | K_Dallas | Kevin`, i would certainly appreicate it |
| 19:38.19 | Fly-man- | struct, for example |
| 19:38.20 | Kevin` | ok brm, im on my pda now |
| 19:38.20 | \amethyst | struct: He also needs to failover his DHCP and proxy server |
| 19:38.21 | sasha_bn | how can i set my automake to use automake-1.9 not automake-.16 |
| 19:38.22 | sasha_bn | ? |
| 19:38.23 | Kevin` | brb* |
| 19:38.27 | struct | Fly-man-: you need several dns servers preferably on multihomed hosts |
| 19:38.29 | Fly-man- | a client wants a domain name |
| 19:38.29 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 19:38.36 | Fly-man- | it's getting registered |
| 19:38.42 | struct | \amethyst: one thing at a time though |
| 19:38.47 | jelly-home | stoned: if you can provide a better solution for an ISP with say 10k online dynamic ips and thousands of domains on the primary, I'm all ears. ;-) |
| 19:38.48 | Fly-man- | then on a secondary the site gets created |
| 19:39.03 | Fly-man- | after that, the client person can login to a site on the primary |
| 19:39.09 | sasha_bn | how can i set my automake to use automake-1.9 not automake-.16 |
| 19:39.12 | sasha_bn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.18 | sasha_bn | don't work |
| 19:39.23 | Fly-man- | and change his IP settings, subdomains and other settings |
| 19:39.33 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: schedule downtime. |
| 19:39.39 | Fly-man- | if there are changes, the primary spits out those changes into a mysql Query |
| 19:39.46 | \amethyst | sasha_bn: doesn't work how? |
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| 19:39.58 | pipeline | DawnLight: |
| 19:39.59 | pipeline | DawnLight: $32.99 |
| 19:39.59 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.59 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.59 | sasha_bn | i don't know |
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| 19:39.59 | Fly-man- | the secondaries get those queries and import them |
| 19:40.00 | sasha_bn | :( |
| 19:40.04 | Fly-man- | That's how it's now |
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| 19:40.08 | pipeline | Wrong paste >:( |
| 19:40.12 | pipeline | DawnLight: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106001 |
| 19:40.13 | Kevin` | Fly-man- can the current servers accept zone transfers? that would easy moving to a new system |
| 19:40.19 | Kevin` | ease* |
| 19:40.20 | sasha_bn | i uninstall automake 1.6 |
| 19:40.23 | Fly-man- | Kevin, Mydns doesn't /... |
| 19:40.24 | sasha_bn | look |
| 19:40.29 | Kevin` | Fly-man- :( |
| 19:40.29 | struct | bind + mysql = nervous |
| 19:40.30 | pipeline | DawnLight: All of the Intel wireless chipsets are well supported, and the 3945 is a/b/g :P |
| 19:40.34 | struct | but thats just me |
| 19:40.42 | \amethyst | mydns doesn't do zone tranfer? |
| 19:40.44 | sasha_bn | There is only 1 program which provides automake |
| 19:40.44 | sasha_bn | (/usr/bin/automake-1.9). Nothing to configure. |
| 19:40.50 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: the way I see it, you can stop the primary and replace it with another machine with the same setup with a minimum of downtime. |
| 19:40.52 | Fly-man- | I can run a output query to export all dns entries |
| 19:41.07 | sasha_bn | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 19:41.07 | sasha_bn | automake (GNU automake) 1.6.3 |
| 19:41.10 | Fly-man- | then create a temp machine and promote that one to primary |
| 19:41.11 | Kevin` | Fly-man- can you export in standard zone format? |
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| 19:41.24 | Fly-man- | Kevin, the export is pure Mysql |
| 19:41.28 | Kevin` | :/ |
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| 19:41.34 | Fly-man- | it doesn't output as Bind or something like that ... |
| 19:41.37 | struct | Fly-man-: you can run two identical servers with a shared ip using heartbeat and if the primary fails there is a failover to the secondary in seconds and no one notices |
| 19:41.44 | struct | Fly-man-: thats a whole other story though |
| 19:41.56 | Kevin` | Fly-man- most other dns servers use the bind format (including microsfts btw ;)) |
| 19:41.57 | Fly-man- | struct, I need a good solution :) |
| 19:42.08 | Fly-man- | And one that works :D |
| 19:42.26 | Fly-man- | I can backup all domains on the secondarues |
| 19:42.31 | Fly-man- | and reinstall them with 2.6 |
| 19:42.38 | Fly-man- | that's not the problem |
| 19:42.39 | jelly-home | Kevin`: djbdns doesn't, but it can. ;-) |
| 19:42.41 | Kevin` | with dns you don't really need ip level failover, for domain resolving anyway.. dns itself handles that |
| 19:42.52 | Fly-man- | the problem is in the online altering of settings |
| 19:42.52 | struct | Fly-man-: you can build a dns cluster with redundant nodes using heartbeat + lvs and any 1 server in the cluster can die and you do not get woken up at 3am to fix it because you are still up and online |
| 19:43.13 | DawnLight | no intel here in israel, pipline :( |
| 19:43.19 | Fly-man- | I need a good solution for DNS |
| 19:43.25 | struct | Fly-man-: you could build a mysql cluster for the backend so mysql is less nervous |
| 19:43.33 | struct | how are my suggestions not good? |
| 19:43.33 | Fly-man- | and one that allows me to enter a domain name |
| 19:43.49 | Fly-man- | Struct, your solution is good :) |
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| 19:43.58 | Fly-man- | but which DNS server to install ? |
| 19:44.02 | Fly-man- | I heard of BIND |
| 19:44.05 | struct | I use bind |
| 19:44.12 | drexxi | hi dudes i need do backup a whole ftp server but i cant flash the files what can i do? |
| 19:44.14 | Fly-man- | but that's not easy to edit, so I heard |
| 19:44.19 | struct | pfftt |
| 19:44.23 | struct | read a book |
| 19:44.26 | struct | read some docs |
| 19:44.31 | K_Dallas | Kevin`, when should I come back for image file? I am not in rush but I wanted to go out and stuff, sorry for the bother |
| 19:44.32 | struct | its as easy as any other |
| 19:44.36 | drexxi | it has to go fast so plz help me |
| 19:44.46 | Kevin` | K_Dallas I should have it in a minute or two |
| 19:44.57 | Fly-man- | Thanx Jelly :D |
| 19:44.57 | jelly-home | sorry, DNS&BIND |
| 19:44.59 | K_Dallas | cool, sorry again to push it |
| 19:45.23 | me_here | tuxxyyyy tuuuuuuxyyyyyy!! |
| 19:45.25 | struct | Fly-man-: if you are going to be doing anything with dns you should get that book |
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| 19:45.36 | Kevin` | K_Dallas have to format a floppy and such :) |
| 19:45.40 | struct | Fly-man-: dns and bind 5th edition I think it is which jelly-home suggested |
| 19:45.42 | drexxi | I need to downcan somebody help me to backup a whole ftp server -ftp server? |
| 19:45.42 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4 |
| 19:45.43 | K_Dallas | of course :) |
| 19:45.44 | Fly-man- | struct, found the eBook already :) |
| 19:45.46 | drexxi | i cant transfer them |
| 19:45.50 | struct | Fly-man-: sweet |
| 19:46.21 | Fly-man- | So, there;s a webinterface for BIND ? |
| 19:46.27 | struct | Fly-man-: are you serious? |
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| 19:46.37 | struct | Fly-man-: there is bash |
| 19:46.41 | Fly-man- | struct, one that even my 5 year old kid can operate ? |
| 19:46.41 | struct | Fly-man-: bash is wonderful |
| 19:46.51 | Kevin` | Fly-man- lots of web interfaces that are designed for hosting will work with bind |
| 19:46.56 | \amethyst | struct: he's got users updating their own DNS, and some of them are clueless |
| 19:47.01 | Kevin` | struct he needs clients to use it =p |
| 19:47.03 | Fly-man- | amethyst, thanx :) |
| 19:47.10 | jelly-home | Fly-man-: you can write it, buy it, or pay someone to write an interface for you |
| 19:47.11 | struct | clients cant use dns |
| 19:47.27 | Kevin` | struct yes, they can. see godaddy.com |
| 19:47.30 | struct | clients need someone who know what they are doing to do it for them |
| 19:47.33 | drexxi | is it ppossibble to dowload a whole ftp content with directorys and sub directorys with wget? |
| 19:47.55 | Kevin` | although godaddy wrote their own system |
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| 19:48.08 | struct | Kevin`: how many clients of godaddy.com do you think call godaddy tech support because they do not know what an A record or MX record is? |
| 19:48.22 | jelly-home | drexxi: yes. read about -r and --mirror options |
| 19:48.25 | struct | you think just because a client has some interface they know about dns? |
| 19:48.42 | Kevin` | struct so you suggest he give his clients shell access for managing dns? |
| 19:48.45 | struct | thats why dns administrators make lots of money |
| 19:48.47 | struct | Kevin`: no |
| 19:48.50 | Fly-man- | struct, they need to do this |
| 19:48.50 | Kevin` | I personally would like it, but who knows |
| 19:48.52 | Kevin` | :) |
| 19:48.54 | Fly-man- | Hey, I have a domain |
| 19:48.59 | Fly-man- | let's add a subdomain |
| 19:49.00 | struct | Kevin`: I suggest he gets a dns administrator to do it for him |
| 19:49.05 | Fly-man- | and poof, there it is |
| 19:49.15 | struct | Fly-man-: you have a lot to learn about dns |
| 19:49.16 | Kevin` | struct HE is running the service that offers dns |
| 19:49.17 | Fly-man- | notthing less then that |
| 19:49.22 | \amethyst | struct: Some of Fly-man-'s clients probably can't affort DNS administrators |
| 19:49.27 | \amethyst | afford |
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| 19:50.00 | \amethyst | I think struct is a DNS admin who is unhappy about losing business :) |
| 19:50.15 | struct | \amethyst: yeah thats it |
| 19:50.18 | jelly-home | and someone with one domain and web shouldn't have to do anything with a dns admin |
| 19:50.27 | struct | \amethyst: dns administration is one of the things I do for free |
| 19:50.34 | struct | \amethyst: for the clients we host |
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| 19:50.45 | struct | \amethyst: they pay for nothing to do with dns administration |
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| 19:51.08 | h0ax | do i only need the one disk for debian |
| 19:51.20 | struct | \amethyst: I handle hundreds of domains on our dns cluster without mysql or anything except bash and vim |
| 19:51.36 | struct | anyways |
| 19:51.38 | Fly-man- | struct, you suggested BIND |
| 19:51.44 | piper69 | how to list processor ID's please |
| 19:51.54 | Fly-man- | my Q, is there a script for BIND in PHP that does the trick ? |
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| 19:52.04 | struct | Fly-man-: not that I know of |
| 19:52.09 | Fly-man- | then I only need to change the scripts online from mydns to bind |
| 19:52.11 | struct | Fly-man-: maybe if you ask google or write one yourself |
| 19:52.11 | \amethyst | piper69: you mean model and stepping? |
| 19:52.11 | Kevin` | Fly-man- probably several, but not many of us have looked for them |
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| 19:52.12 | netdrake | helou |
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| 19:52.25 | struct | later |
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| 19:52.51 | Kevin` | I, also, manage my dns with bash and pico (never bothered to learn vi) |
| 19:53.03 | Kevin` | used to use webmin, but that has security problems |
| 19:53.07 | \amethyst | That's no excuse for using pico |
| 19:53.07 | Kevin` | and no real need for it |
| 19:53.09 | Fly-man- | Dnsqlpanel is an easy to use control panel for bind, using the mysql sdb module. |
| 19:53.12 | piper69 | \amethyst: i just did vncserver -kill :1 and i got killed procceror id # what is that ? what is proccess id |
| 19:53.15 | Kevin` | s/pico/nano |
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| 19:53.54 | jetscreamer | that's the id of the process |
| 19:53.58 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 19:53.58 | Kevin` | piper69 a process id is a number that uniquely identifies a process |
| 19:54.00 | jetscreamer | id # |
| 19:54.04 | jetscreamer | pid |
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| 19:54.08 | jelly-home | s/nano/joe/ ;-) |
| 19:54.12 | jetscreamer | ProcessID |
| 19:54.18 | \amethyst | piper69: each running copy of a program on your system has a process ID. ps aux will list all the processes on the system, with the PID (process ID) in the second column |
| 19:54.19 | stoned | hey |
| 19:54.20 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
| 19:54.21 | stoned | jetscreamer what up |
| 19:54.27 | piper69 | Kevin`: alot of folks her like to use vi, i don't know why? i love pico and nanco , and just like u never bother to learn vi |
| 19:54.30 | h0ax | there is like 20 debian disks what do i need ? |
| 19:54.35 | stoned | 1st on |
| 19:54.36 | jetscreamer | ah hey dude how goes/went the babysitting |
| 19:54.47 | jetscreamer | h0ax: the netinst or #1 |
| 19:54.59 | jetscreamer | or the businesscard |
| 19:55.05 | drexxi | can somecan somebody tell me how to download a whole ftp content via lftp? plz i dont have time it goes down in 1h |
| 19:55.05 | h0ax | will it install debian with just one |
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| 19:55.13 | Kevin` | piper69 vim is quite powerful, if you've seen someone using it who knows it, you'd understand. worth it to learn, but I never bothered :) |
| 19:55.14 | jelly-home | piper69: vi is very logical and fast to use, once you learn it |
| 19:55.25 | \amethyst | drexxi: in lftp, type help mirror |
| 19:55.34 | jetscreamer | drexxi: wget -m ftp.whatever.warez |
| 19:55.39 | stoned | jetscreamer I drove to baton rouge when they came home, I didn't wanna stay in conroe anymore. Then I went back, packed up a truck full of shit, now back in batonrouge, visiting parents. driving to nyc tomorrow morning 6am, 28 hour drive, 32 likely cuz I got a truck to drive, so gonna try and take my time. |
| 19:55.57 | piper69 | jelly-home: Kevin` i will learn it as soon as i can then :) |
| 19:56.08 | jetscreamer | i drove/rode from here to montreal before in a uhaul |
| 19:56.18 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 19:56.23 | \amethyst | drexxi: if you need to do fxp, you can do mirror ftp://one-url/ ftp://another-url/ |
| 19:56.24 | stoned | jetscreamer maybe we'll smoke together another day. I still have family/friends in houston. BTW, how is your foot? you doing ok now? |
| 19:56.33 | \amethyst | gtg |
| 19:56.40 | jelly-home | piper69: I've never learned it either to be honest, using somthing called "joe" ;-) |
| 19:56.47 | stoned | !joe |
| 19:56.47 | jetscreamer | yeah it quit huring after a few days.. not broken i guess |
| 19:56.47 | dpkg | The LAST ULTIMATE EDITOR, BETTER THAN ALL |
| 19:56.50 | stoned | lol |
| 19:56.55 | piper69 | jelly-home: lol |
| 19:56.56 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 19:57.00 | stoned | jetscreamer probably strained it |
| 19:57.04 | stoned | sprained* |
| 19:57.08 | jetscreamer | or jammed my toe |
| 19:57.09 | pipeline | jelly-home: I doubt you're missing anything. IIRC, "joe" does just about everything vi will do for you without a lot of fucking around. |
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| 19:58.24 | pinks | what package is good for recording from my laptop built-in mike straight to the hard drive? |
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| 19:58.24 | jetscreamer | apt-get install mc && mcedit something |
| 19:58.39 | piper69 | where can i learn more about PID please, i just did ps aux and a huge list showed up |
| 19:58.45 | Kevin` | pinks I like sox for that, for basic sound work and transformations |
| 19:59.05 | jetscreamer | piper69: it's just a number that gets assigned to things when they get run/started |
| 19:59.09 | Kevin` | pinks not sure if it does mp3 encoding or such, but when I was using it I wanted max quality |
| 19:59.15 | K_Dallas | piper69, i could teach you pid (proportional integral differential controllers) if you want |
| 19:59.24 | pinks | Kevin`: what format does it go into? |
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| 19:59.31 | h3sp4wn | pinks: snd is quite nice |
| 19:59.31 | Fly-man- | and so far no errors occured |
| 19:59.34 | drexxi | thanks jetscreamer and \amethyst |
| 19:59.49 | Kevin` | pinks I think raw pcm by default |
| 19:59.55 | Inf3rn0 | Whats the easiest way of enabling disk quote for each user's home direcotry on Etch? I only have one partition |
| 19:59.59 | piper69 | K_Dallas: sure why not, anything i can learn is a benfit to me , so carry on sir |
| 20:00.06 | Inf3rn0 | *quota |
| 20:00.10 | pinks | h3sp4wn: what format does it use? |
| 20:00.26 | pinks | Kevin`: ouch! |
| 20:01.00 | Kevin` | pinks apparently you can use ogg with it |
| 20:01.04 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: if you don't already know, you probably shouldn't be asking. Running a shell server is pretty dangerous. |
| 20:01.07 | Kevin` | (directly) |
| 20:01.08 | pinks | Kevin`: I was looking fro something I could then email to people using XP or similar |
| 20:01.31 | Inf3rn0 | pipeline: Only my own user and root has access to shell ;) |
| 20:01.38 | struct | http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2784 |
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| 20:01.55 | pinks | Kevin`: cool - thanks - I'll do some reading and come back.... |
| 20:02.20 | Kevin` | K_Dallas sorry for the delay, having some.. interesting issues :0 |
| 20:02.26 | K_Dallas | piper69, ;) you take you delta (error) (set point of whatrever you want to control) and add up 3 parts, one for P, k*(delta), one for I (integrate(delta) over time), and one for d (derivative of delta) and based on this you change your manipulate variable, i have recently seen it used in DVD/CD drives |
| 20:02.29 | Kevin` | and got sidetracked |
| 20:02.34 | K_Dallas | no problem |
| 20:02.49 | K_Dallas | i was amusing myself with pid controllers ;) |
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| 20:03.23 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: err, then what the heck do you need quotas for? Non-root users as a whole are already prevented from filling the filesystem. |
| 20:03.27 | Kevin` | bart ~ # ls /boot |
| 20:03.27 | Kevin` | ls: reading directory /boot: Input/output error |
| 20:03.27 | mehul | I have been using iTunes on my WinXP laptop. What would be the equivalent of iTunes on Debian ? Something that also supports ogg would be nice :) |
| 20:03.31 | Kevin` | problem of the moment :) |
| 20:03.32 | piper69 | K_Dallas: you confused the hell out of me hahahahahahahah |
| 20:03.35 | Inf3rn0 | pipeline: FTP |
| 20:03.49 | K_Dallas | ;) that was a one semester course in 3-4 lines ;) |
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| 20:04.06 | Inf3rn0 | Ehm |
| 20:04.09 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: You're barking up the wrong tree. FTP users should NEVER correspond with real users. Consult your FTP server's documentation. |
| 20:04.20 | Inf3rn0 | Bah |
| 20:04.28 | Inf3rn0 | The FTp users are system accounts |
| 20:04.31 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: It should be enforced by the server software, not the OS. |
| 20:04.31 | Inf3rn0 | *FTP |
| 20:04.34 | mindframe_ | Inf3rn0, check out vsftpd's chroot features. |
| 20:04.36 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: The FTP users should not be system accounts. |
| 20:04.43 | Inf3rn0 | They are |
| 20:04.45 | Inf3rn0 | :p |
| 20:04.46 | androide | _should_ |
| 20:04.48 | Inf3rn0 | And I use proftpd |
| 20:04.48 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: You fucked up. |
| 20:04.56 | mindframe_ | Inf3rn0, you really fucked up |
| 20:04.58 | androide | but everything get fixed with a /bin/false shell ;) |
| 20:05.00 | Inf3rn0 | ;p |
| 20:05.02 | struct | Inf3rn0: I will sniff your link and find username/password and get shell |
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| 20:05.09 | Inf3rn0 | Do that! |
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| 20:05.12 | Inf3rn0 | Come get me |
| 20:05.15 | Inf3rn0 | :P |
| 20:05.15 | androide | u can't with bin/false ;) |
| 20:05.21 | Kevin` | K_Dallas rebooting to check hard drive, I think it's confused |
| 20:05.27 | struct | Inf3rn0: whats pipeline says is good sound advice |
| 20:05.30 | K_Dallas | np |
| 20:05.42 | struct | Inf3rn0: check vsftp docs and find how to do virtual users |
| 20:05.44 | struct | Inf3rn0: its not hard |
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| 20:05.54 | androide | ftp_user:x:1017:100:,,,:/home/ftp:/bin/false |
| 20:06.05 | androide | anycase, that depends on your ftp server |
| 20:06.07 | pipeline | Inf3rn0: proftpd definitely supports virtual accounts. |
| 20:06.11 | androide | virtual users are actually a good choice too |
| 20:06.14 | Kevin` | all that's on that drive is grub and windows, so it's not a huge loss if it's messed up, but still :) |
| 20:06.22 | Inf3rn0 | pipeline: I know that |
| 20:06.26 | mindframe_ | Inf3rn0, check out the vulnerability history of proftpd and then tell me you still want to run it. i wont beleive you. |
| 20:06.51 | MatBoy | has someone experience with queued mesages to hotmail ? they are delivered but it takes so long for they actually go into the box of the user and most of the time it;s in unwanted messages |
| 20:06.53 | K_Dallas | Kevin`, that is good, i could change the root a few times to finally why my system is not booting properly |
| 20:06.57 | Kevin` | Inf3rn0 vsftpd is quite usable, I only use it for local users though, who already have shell access |
| 20:07.23 | Kevin` | "this is not a bootable disk. please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again" |
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| 20:07.35 | mindframe_ | vsftpd is easy to setup with SSL too, which moots the possibility of sniffing for passwords and such |
| 20:07.38 | Inf3rn0 | Bleh. Let me do it my way. I'll change it when I get hacked any my system breaks |
| 20:07.50 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 20:08.52 | stoned | i have it on my keychain |
| 20:08.55 | stoned | I keep it on usb |
| 20:10.21 | Kevin` | found a grub boot disk, booting system.. |
| 20:10.28 | Kevin` | hmm odd |
| 20:11.04 | Kevin` | gah grub can't boot from xfs can it |
| 20:11.11 | Kevin` | i'll just get the image of this floppy to you |
| 20:11.12 | Kevin` | :) |
| 20:11.21 | K_Dallas | sure |
| 20:11.26 | h3sp4wn | grub should be able to boot from xfs |
| 20:11.52 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 20:12.17 | num00 | i do not get a parallel port device although i load parport module. what could be wrong? do i have to create this device manually even if i have udev? |
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| 20:13.12 | Kevin` | ok got linux booting |
| 20:13.15 | Kevin` | wonder wtf is wrong |
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| 20:14.46 | Kevin` | http://bart.kwzs.be/grub-floppy.img - as a bonus you also get memtest86+ and linux made for netbooting a 486 on this |
| 20:14.48 | piper69 | how can i kill a process i used kill -pid 11797 and it didnn't |
| 20:14.53 | Kevin` | K_Dallas ^ |
| 20:15.01 | K_Dallas | thanks, really appreciate it |
| 20:15.07 | stoned | just kill pid |
| 20:15.21 | stoned | like `` kill 11797 '' |
| 20:15.27 | rjalex | any idea of why despite having installed ifplugd, removed the auto eth0 line, being disconnected from the cable, I hear one beep and ifconfig eth0 says interface is up ??????? |
| 20:15.30 | stoned | or try a signal 9 if it dont' die |
| 20:15.35 | stoned | man ps |
| 20:15.38 | stoned | er.. man kill |
| 20:15.57 | Fly-man- | !kernel |
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| 20:15.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.4, prepatch: 2.6.21-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.21-rc5-git7, 2.4: 2.4.34.2, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-rc5-mm3 |
| 20:15.59 | rjalex | or use a silver bullet and holy water 8-) |
| 20:16.02 | karsten | piper69: If it's stuck in D or Z state you need to kill the parent. Some processes won't die no matter what (frequently hung NFS mounts, eg). |
| 20:16.24 | K_Dallas | sometimes xkill is the only thing that efficiently kills but it only kills gui apps |
| 20:16.24 | Fly-man- | Hmm, the most recent is 2.6.20 |
| 20:16.27 | stoned | karsten if ppid is init? |
| 20:16.30 | karsten | piper69: PPID == parent process. ps -ef will show same. |
| 20:16.30 | rjalex | 2.6.20.4 |
| 20:16.32 | stoned | we is fucked |
| 20:16.35 | karsten | stoned: you're hosed. |
| 20:16.40 | stoned | indeed |
| 20:16.50 | Fly-man- | Hmm, why doesn't apt-get dist-upgrade give that one then ? |
| 20:16.55 | Kevin` | hmm, all the system drives appear to be present and working now |
| 20:16.56 | karsten | stoned: Though IIRC generally init will sort out nutso procs. |
| 20:16.56 | Kevin` | wtf |
| 20:17.10 | stoned | bbl |
| 20:17.10 | Kevin` | if something is wrong why can't it stay wrong so I know what it was :) |
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| 20:17.33 | K_Dallas | ;) i am rebooting pal, have a great weekend Kevin` |
| 20:17.39 | Kevin` | ty |
| 20:17.46 | rjalex | what is the average volume of the debian-user mailing list ?? |
| 20:17.48 | K_Dallas | ciao |
| 20:17.48 | karsten | Kevin`: What's the issue? |
| 20:17.53 | rjalex | ciao |
| 20:17.57 | xand | 5 litres |
| 20:18.03 | rjalex | lol xand |
| 20:18.09 | karsten | rjalex: Less than a cubic lightyear. |
| 20:18.15 | rjalex | 8-) |
| 20:18.21 | Kevin` | karsten a drive stopped working and was getting io errors, so I rebooted, system didn't boot. got a grub floppy and booted the system, drive works fine now |
| 20:18.28 | rjalex | cubic parsec would have been more elegant ! |
| 20:18.43 | karsten | rjalex: http://lists.debian.org/stats/ |
| 20:18.49 | rjalex | thanks karsten |
| 20:19.53 | karsten | rjalex: About 5k messages/month. |
| 20:19.53 | karsten | rjalex: ... or 166/day |
| 20:19.53 | piper69 | Fly-man-: karsten :thanks |
| 20:20.03 | rjalex | oh I could write to debian-women then !!! 1) they are more intelligent, 2) the volume is smaller, 3) i might get a date ! 8-) 8-) |
| 20:20.07 | rjalex | thanks karsten |
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| 20:20.21 | Fly-man- | yw |
| 20:21.30 | karsten | rjalex: http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2007/03/threads.html |
| 20:21.30 | tvynr | Does anyone here have any suggestions for a BitTorrent tracker and seeder daemon I can install for Debian? I'm getting ready to make a page for a little something I've slapped together and I'd like to make BitTorrent one of the download options. My webserver is, of course, headless, so I'd need some kind of remote administration. |
| 20:21.30 | rjalex | good night |
| 20:21.35 | h3sp4wn | rjalex: on the internet - men are men - women are men - and kids are cops |
| 20:21.39 | karsten | rjalex: Not sure you're going to get the answer you're hoping for on d-w |
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| 20:21.55 | rjalex | lol was only joking .... |
| 20:22.01 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Dogs? |
| 20:22.16 | h3sp4wn | karsten: No idea |
| 20:22.32 | rjalex | dogs are cats of course |
| 20:22.46 | karsten | rjalex: And cats would be ... ? |
| 20:22.52 | rjalex | tweeties |
| 20:23.00 | rjalex | 8-) |
| 20:23.23 | TurboBee | anyone here have experience using wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:23.29 | h3sp4wn | cats would be unnecessary (most of the time people use them anyway) |
| 20:23.32 | Kevin` | how can I disable the screensaver in X, and on the command line? |
| 20:23.45 | Kevin` | TurboBee i've used it, but I just followed examples for 802.1x and wpa |
| 20:23.58 | rjalex | but the threads in d-w are very interesting 8-) 8-) |
| 20:24.04 | h3sp4wn | TurboBee: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 20:24.07 | cokeslut | hi |
| 20:24.13 | jastarafi | hello |
| 20:24.13 | TurboBee | ok |
| 20:24.20 | rjalex | TurboBee try aking |
| 20:24.21 | rjalex | asking |
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| 20:24.45 | rjalex | I am using wpa_supplicant and ifscheme and ifplugd and resolvconf .... |
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| 20:24.52 | Kevin` | h3sp4wn but that file just has a bunch of random letters in it, and it messed up my terminal! ;p |
| 20:25.03 | TurboBee | I 'm using wext, and it tellsme Operation not supported |
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| 20:25.06 | Reiser_x | Hi |
| 20:25.13 | Kevin` | TurboBee what driver |
| 20:25.14 | TurboBee | with dev wifi0, on a cisco pcm352 |
| 20:25.17 | cokeslut | that's a secret |
| 20:25.18 | Reiser_x | i need to know the repositories to install xserver-xorg |
| 20:25.19 | rjalex | when TurboBee ? |
| 20:25.20 | jastarafi | you tell me ;) |
| 20:25.31 | karsten | Kevin`: killall xscreensaver |
| 20:25.32 | TurboBee | after I type |
| 20:25.38 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: obviously you don't use lesspipe |
| 20:25.39 | Kevin` | Reiser_x the normal debian repositories have that.. |
| 20:25.51 | TurboBee | wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwifi0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:25.55 | Kevin` | xscreensaver: no process killed |
| 20:26.00 | rjalex | peppe c'ha fatto a roma ? |
| 20:26.02 | aardvarq | I have ntp installed, configured, and running, but my clocks keep wandering massively. Is there a solution to this? |
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| 20:26.06 | karsten | Kevin`: What desktop? |
| 20:26.07 | karsten | !it |
| 20:26.07 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 20:26.09 | TurboBee | SIOCSIWAUTH Operation not supported |
| 20:26.12 | Kevin` | karsten fluxbox |
| 20:26.15 | TurboBee | SOPCGOWSCAM |
| 20:26.16 | h3sp4wn | TurboBee: It would never be wifi0 you would use |
| 20:26.23 | TurboBee | Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 20:26.28 | TurboBee | eth1? |
| 20:26.29 | peppe | rjalex: ? |
| 20:26.31 | TurboBee | isntead? |
| 20:26.31 | karsten | Kevin`: When / how is screensaver activating? |
| 20:26.40 | rjalex | sorry peppe was just joking ... |
| 20:26.42 | h3sp4wn | TurboBee: either ath0 or wlan0 or something else wifi0 is the base one that you create vif's from |
| 20:26.59 | Kevin` | karsten after a while the screen went blank. not sure if it would have done some prettyness since I moved the mouse rather quickly |
| 20:27.07 | TurboBee | holy shit |
| 20:27.11 | TurboBee | i think it is working? |
| 20:27.20 | piper69 | i can get vncserver to work, i mean it say its running but i can't connect to it from my other box |
| 20:27.30 | Kevin` | h3sp4wn some cards use ethx too |
| 20:27.34 | TurboBee | I'm getting something new, Associated with 00:`8:39:47:81:a5 |
| 20:27.45 | TurboBee | using eth1 |
| 20:27.52 | TurboBee | what does that mean? |
| 20:27.55 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: the something else includes those - but it would never be wifi0 afaik |
| 20:29.22 | Kevin` | TurboBee maybe it worked, try using it |
| 20:29.22 | rjalex | now you should get a dhcp address or config ststic |
| 20:29.23 | TurboBee | i checked out iwconfig |
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| 20:29.23 | TurboBee | its connected to the wrong network |
| 20:29.23 | rjalex | lol |
| 20:29.23 | TurboBee | hehe |
| 20:29.23 | Kevin` | configure your configuration :) |
| 20:29.23 | TurboBee | i dont know if thats goood or bad |
| 20:29.23 | rjalex | what did you write in your wpa_supplicant.conf .... |
| 20:29.23 | karsten | Kevin`: check your xset values as well. There's a screen blanking time in there. man xset |
| 20:29.23 | h3sp4wn | I don't see why people try to make wpasupplicant so compilicated when its nicely integrated into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:29.23 | TurboBee | one sec I'll pull it up |
| 20:30.13 | rjalex | ok friends this old man is going to bed |
| 20:30.21 | TurboBee | ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant |
| 20:30.22 | mehul | How I find the BusID for my video card ? |
| 20:30.22 | rjalex | good night to all |
| 20:30.27 | TurboBee | network={ |
| 20:30.31 | TurboBee | ssid="legg" |
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| 20:30.40 | Danielss89 | Hi.. |
| 20:30.43 | TurboBee | key_mgmt=WPA-PSK |
| 20:30.48 | TurboBee | proto=WPA |
| 20:30.55 | TurboBee | pairwise=TKIP |
| 20:30.58 | TurboBee | group=TKIP |
| 20:31.03 | Danielss89 | checking for gcc... gcc... checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. <--- what does this mean |
| 20:31.05 | Kevin` | kevin@kwzs:~$ xset q|grep -i blank |
| 20:31.05 | h3sp4wn | mehul: lspci -n |
| 20:31.05 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.07 | Fly-man- | Thanx all for the advices :) |
| 20:31.07 | TurboBee | psk="blahblah" |
| 20:31.09 | TurboBee | } |
| 20:31.16 | h3sp4wn | mehul: or lspci -nn |
| 20:31.22 | rjalex | but does it also have other network stanzas ? |
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| 20:31.34 | h3sp4wn | mehul: very first field |
| 20:31.35 | rjalex | like one for connecting to open networks ? |
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| 20:32.20 | dan2 | does anybody know how to record video from an X server |
| 20:32.32 | mehul | h3sp4wn: thanks. |
| 20:33.06 | TurboBee | ? |
| 20:33.52 | h3sp4wn | dan2: http://sourceforge.net/projects/screenkast - that is pretty good you would have to compile it yourself though as it is not in debian |
| 20:34.04 | h3sp4wn | dan2: It needs some stuff from debian multimedia also |
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| 20:34.54 | Phoenix92x | is there any way to switch my debian etch installation from using AMD64 architecture to i386 architecture without reinstalling? |
| 20:35.11 | valdyn | Phoenix92x: no |
| 20:35.25 | Phoenix92x | valdyn: thank you |
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| 20:36.03 | h3sp4wn | With a spare partition it would be possible |
| 20:36.23 | mehul | h3sp4wn: How do I go about getting more information on the video card ? Say like the ChipID, how much memory its got, etc ? |
| 20:36.24 | valdyn | unfortunately he's gone |
| 20:37.11 | valdyn | mehul: using the appropriate driver, that driver will figure that out |
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| 20:37.26 | valdyn | mehul: you don't need to know this yourself |
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| 20:37.37 | mehul | valdyn: so I shouldn't need to specify it in the xorg.conf file ? |
| 20:37.43 | valdyn | mehul: right |
| 20:38.02 | mehul | valdyn: ok. Going to try this now. Lets see what happens :) |
| 20:38.03 | karsten | hesco: dmidecode, possibly, lspci. |
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| 20:40.21 | Reiser_x | can somebody give me the URL of debian repositories? |
| 20:40.32 | valdyn | !debian mirrors |
| 20:40.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:40.45 | jindal | hello guys, am having some trouble with bind -> http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418772 (unstable i686) |
| 20:41.41 | Kevin` | running a server on unstable? tsk tsk ;) |
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| 20:41.53 | Paul- | hello |
| 20:41.59 | jindal | Kevin` lol.. my personal |
| 20:42.03 | NetNiet | Hi i'm running badblocks to make a cracky disk workable ... but the time out on the IO_ERROR makes it a very slow process |
| 20:42.12 | NetNiet | it there a faster way ? |
| 20:42.21 | Paul- | where can i see which modules are loaded by initrd? |
| 20:42.37 | mehul | Paul-: lsmod |
| 20:42.43 | Kevin` | jindal ah I see the problem, moment |
| 20:42.52 | jelly-home | NetNiet: do you have another disk to dump the image of the bad one? |
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| 20:43.39 | valdyn | jindal: localhost A 127.0.0.1 needs to be localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:43.48 | jindal | hmm oks |
| 20:44.03 | NetNiet | Jelly it is not a rescue ... i just try to make the new/empty disk working |
| 20:44.20 | Kevin` | jindal add after the soa record $ORIGIN jindal.net |
| 20:44.28 | valdyn | jindal: that line # |
| 20:44.28 | valdyn | # |
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| 20:44.30 | valdyn | ops |
| 20:44.42 | Kevin` | jindal I suspect in the log file you would see "out of zone info" a bunch of times? |
| 20:44.45 | jelly-home | NetNiet: well, maybe dd would be faster than badblocks |
| 20:44.46 | valdyn | jindal: that line ' NS ns ; Inet Address of name server" is totally fucked |
| 20:45.02 | jindal | valdyn: i dont need it shd i remove? |
| 20:45.04 | Kevin` | jindal ah, and yes, that line is fucked :) |
| 20:45.23 | Kevin` | jindal replace it with this: |
| 20:45.37 | Kevin` | jindal jindal.net IN NS ns.jindal.net |
| 20:45.44 | jindal | oks |
| 20:45.50 | mehul | valdyn: /var/log/X.... should tell me if it loaded the correct driver yes ? |
| 20:45.52 | Kevin` | without the first jindal heh :) |
| 20:46.00 | valdyn | mehul: ya |
| 20:46.02 | jindal | :) |
| 20:46.27 | Kevin` | jindal the reason you don't see anything is you told the zone to point "itwmg" to 10.xxx. not "inwmg.jindal.net", that's what the $ORIGIN line does |
| 20:46.42 | Kevin` | hmm on second thought: |
| 20:46.49 | Kevin` | jindal jindal.net. IN NS ns.jindal.net. |
| 20:46.51 | Kevin` | note the .s |
| 20:47.01 | valdyn | @ IN NS <ip> |
| 20:47.01 | jindal | yep |
| 20:47.15 | Kevin` | valdyn ns record should point to a name, not ip |
| 20:48.27 | Kevin` | but with origin proper you could do |
| 20:48.28 | Kevin` | @ in ns ns |
| 20:48.28 | valdyn | Kevin`: yep, true |
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| 20:48.29 | Reiser_x | i have some problems to configure sources.list |
| 20:48.29 | jindal | Kevin`: still doesnt working |
| 20:48.29 | Reiser_x | for example i have this |
| 20:48.29 | Reiser_x | ftp.us.debian.org /debian/ /debian/ amd64 i386 |
| 20:48.33 | Kevin` | jindal dig -t axfr jindal.net |
| 20:48.39 | Kevin` | and pastebin the file again |
| 20:48.44 | Reiser_x | how can i add it to sources.list? |
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| 20:49.04 | jindal | Kevin`: says Tranfer failed |
| 20:49.27 | Kevin` | jindal you should allow zone transfers from localhost, but for now, just paste the file |
| 20:50.04 | jindal | Kevin`: which file? |
| 20:50.07 | Kevin` | the zone file.. |
| 20:50.59 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 20:51.03 | Reiser_x | i did it |
| 20:51.16 | jindal | Kevin` paste the zone(bad file) where? |
| 20:51.19 | Reiser_x | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.es.html |
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| 20:51.29 | Kevin` | jindal somewhere where we can see it? |
| 20:51.36 | Kevin` | like you did last time |
| 20:51.43 | jindal | oh |
| 20:52.08 | Kevin` | 199802151 |
| 20:52.11 | Kevin` | 1998? :) |
| 20:52.16 | Kevin` | not that that's an error technically |
| 20:52.52 | Kevin` | I usually just increment the last number on mine, do to lazyness |
| 20:52.53 | jindal | Kevin` http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418791 |
| 20:53.17 | Kevin` | jindal you didn't add $ORIGIN jindal.net |
| 20:53.30 | mindframe_ | debian i386 will install on an amd64 machine right? |
| 20:53.41 | Kevin` | jindal and add a . to the end of the domains in the ns line |
| 20:53.42 | jindal | yeah where should i add it? |
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| 20:53.47 | Kevin` | jindal.net IN NS ns.jindal.net |
| 20:53.49 | Kevin` | jindal.net. IN NS ns.jindal.net. |
| 20:53.59 | jindal | oks and the $ORIGIN? |
| 20:54.01 | Kevin` | jindal after the soa record somewhere before the A records |
| 20:54.15 | valdyn | mindframe_: yes |
| 20:54.18 | Inf3rn0 | How can I remove all sub directories named ".svn" from some direcotry? |
| 20:54.43 | valdyn | Inf3rn0: find -type d -name .svn | xargs rm |
| 20:54.50 | Kevin` | if you put it before the ns record you could make the latter "@ IN NS ns" |
| 20:55.00 | Inf3rn0 | Thanks, valdyn |
| 20:55.10 | valdyn | Inf3rn0: if its really many subdirectories you need to use -exec |
| 20:55.22 | Inf3rn0 | Its around 7 |
| 20:55.57 | valdyn | Inf3rn0: oh, i forgot, its 'rm -r' if those directories contain files |
| 20:56.11 | Inf3rn0 | Yea, they do :P |
| 20:56.19 | jindal | Kevin` am confused check this http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418799 |
| 20:56.52 | valdyn | jindal: its quite straightforward to modify a working zonefile, compared to fixing one with errors all over.. |
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| 20:57.16 | Kevin` | jindal http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418804 |
| 20:57.30 | jindal | valdyn, yeah i picked up from a tutorial :( |
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| 20:58.19 | Kevin` | you may want to change the serial from 199802151 to 2007033100 to match common standard, but that's not necessary |
| 20:58.28 | Kevin` | be sure to increment it whenever you make changes |
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| 20:58.42 | Ramattack | hi |
| 20:58.57 | Ramattack | anyone who controls bash? |
| 20:59.13 | Kevin` | actually 200703310, not two zeros, unless you change it 11 times a day :) |
| 20:59.59 | NetNiet | jindal: should there be a dot afer the $ORGIN line ? |
| 21:00.05 | Reiser_x | problems |
| 21:00.15 | jindal | NetNiet: hmm no idea |
| 21:00.16 | Kevin` | NetNiet probably. |
| 21:00.24 | Reiser_x | i added ftp.debian.org |
| 21:00.32 | valdyn | jindal: yes |
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| 21:00.41 | Ramattack | anyone could explain me what do the three execs in this script please ? the script is on http://sial.org/pbot/23910 |
| 21:00.48 | Reiser_x | but when i rin apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 21:01.09 | Reiser_x | Can find xserver-xorg package |
| 21:01.14 | HostilePenguin | what is rin? |
| 21:01.22 | Reiser_x | sorry run |
| 21:01.44 | Kevin` | Reiser_x are you using sarge or etch? |
| 21:01.44 | Reiser_x | sarge |
| 21:01.50 | setooo | !etch |
| 21:01.51 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:01.55 | HostilePenguin | xfree86 |
| 21:01.57 | valdyn | Ramattack: man exec |
| 21:01.59 | Kevin` | !backports |
| 21:01.59 | dpkg | well, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 21:02.00 | HostilePenguin | possibly |
| 21:02.14 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 21:02.24 | wols | Ramattack: redirects stdout, stdin and stderr to /dev/null I'd say |
| 21:02.30 | Reiser_x | i can only install xserver-xorg in etch? |
| 21:02.42 | Reiser_x | just tell me that |
| 21:02.49 | wols | valdyn: exec is a bash intrinsic command. no manpage |
| 21:02.50 | valdyn | Reiser_x: why dont you 'apt-get install xorg' ? |
| 21:02.52 | Kevin` | Reiser_x I think you can install it from backports |
| 21:02.54 | wols | at least none for exec |
| 21:02.58 | valdyn | wols: i have a manpage |
| 21:03.04 | valdyn | wols: you dont? |
| 21:03.15 | jindal | Kevin`, valdyn: am still stuck http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418809 |
| 21:03.19 | Kevin` | I switched to etch a long while ago so i'm not really sure on that :) |
| 21:03.23 | wols | valdyn: nope. what package gives you the manpage? manpage-dev perhaps? |
| 21:03.29 | valdyn | wols: sec |
| 21:03.35 | torrrr | do you know how can I make the user-name visible on gnome somewhere? |
| 21:03.44 | HostilePenguin | i dont know how all those things i just know i have a sarge box and it has xfree86 and my etch has xorg |
| 21:03.59 | Kevin` | jindal dig -t ns jindal.net? |
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| 21:04.34 | Kevin` | jindal oh and put th IN before the A's, not sure if that's required, but check the log file for errors.. |
| 21:04.36 | jindal | Kevin`: jindal.net. 259200 IN NS admin.jindal.net. |
| 21:04.47 | Kevin` | erm |
| 21:04.49 | Kevin` | that's odd. |
| 21:04.57 | Kevin` | admin isn't even listed |
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| 21:05.09 | jindal | Kevin` where is the log file of named .. ? |
| 21:05.11 | Kevin` | jindal increment the zone serial number |
| 21:05.14 | jindal | oks |
| 21:05.18 | Kevin` | jindal it logs to syslog |
| 21:05.34 | Kevin` | every time you change it and reload it you should be incrementing that number |
| 21:05.39 | valdyn | wols: manpages-posix |
| 21:06.13 | wols | thx. |
| 21:06.43 | jindal | Kevin` hmmm ... after incrementing same results |
| 21:06.57 | Kevin` | jindal look at the log file |
| 21:07.18 | valdyn | geez, still all the INs missing |
| 21:08.02 | valdyn | $ORIGIN should be on top to create less confusion |
| 21:08.17 | jindal | Kevin` just a line which says re loading the named.conf |
| 21:08.35 | valdyn | or you could leave ORIGIN out completely if this is your local zone, i guess |
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| 21:08.52 | Ramattack | wols valdin and what could cause if you don't do it¿? |
| 21:08.59 | Kevin` | valdyn and update his records to comply with that, he just has "itweb" etc |
| 21:09.00 | jindal | hmm hey guys .. plz prepare me the simplest of a file |
| 21:09.11 | wols | Ramattack: unwanted message on screen mainly |
| 21:09.23 | wols | jindal: "touch file" |
| 21:09.26 | valdyn | jindal: im giving you my local zone file |
| 21:09.30 | wols | now you have the simplest file imaginable |
| 21:09.31 | Kevin` | jindal http://kwzs.be/kwzs.be.hosts |
| 21:09.34 | jindal | oks |
| 21:09.41 | Kevin` | simple? maybe, working? yes |
| 21:09.49 | jindal | wols, :o |
| 21:09.56 | Kevin` | I don't use $ORIGIN though, so all records are absolute in that |
| 21:11.10 | valdyn | jindal: mind that: @ is a placeholder for the $ORIGIN and the DOT ( . ) at end of names denotes that the origin is not to be appended |
| 21:11.54 | jindal | valdyn: ohh k .. thanks valdyn it seems a little clearer now :) |
| 21:11.54 | valdyn | jindal: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/db.home |
| 21:12.42 | valdyn | jindal: ORIGIN is defaulting to .home in this zonefile |
| 21:13.34 | sparr | i hate having to install RPMs on my debian system |
| 21:13.35 | Kevin` | why would you have to do that, I never have |
| 21:13.37 | Kevin` | *shrug* |
| 21:13.38 | Kevin` | brb |
| 21:13.44 | valdyn | sparr: you dont have to, dont do it |
| 21:13.58 | sparr | software not available in debs |
| 21:14.04 | sparr | and far too hard to compile to build my own |
| 21:14.11 | valdyn | sparr: alien -to-tgz is better than using rpms |
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| 21:14.46 | valdyn | sparr: like what? |
| 21:14.50 | Ramattack | wols : ok I'm running a script similar than this... but whithout that execs.... |
| 21:15.16 | sparr | valdyn: qsa and glew are the two things im installing/installed from RPMs today |
| 21:15.26 | Ramattack | and was worried mainly for the first exec that seems to take something from /dev/null? the first one would pass any null value to any proccess? |
| 21:15.36 | valdyn | sparr: urls please |
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| 21:16.08 | valdyn | Ramattack: did you even read documentation yet? ALL that exec does is redirect input and output |
| 21:16.11 | jindal | valdyn, it still not workin http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418831 |
| 21:16.13 | Kevin` | sparr not available in apt I assume right? |
| 21:16.26 | Ramattack | yep I have read man bash |
| 21:16.28 | valdyn | Ramattack: that script is fucking stupid if it uses /dev/null for input, delete that line |
| 21:16.42 | sparr | Kevin`: qsa not at all, glew too old |
| 21:16.56 | Ramattack | that's the reason I was worried because well I don't worry screen messages |
| 21:17.02 | Kevin` | sparr sarge or etch? |
| 21:17.04 | valdyn | Ramattack: you cant read from /dev/null ( well, you can try, but there comes no data ) |
| 21:17.09 | sparr | valdyn: http://glew.sourceforge.net/ http://www.trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/qsa |
| 21:17.16 | sparr | Kevin`: experimental, give or take. |
| 21:17.19 | wols | Ramattack: while it is stupid, it does no harm |
| 21:17.19 | Ramattack | but like the first exec I think it's taking a null value... I said perhaps my script is taken a non-null value... |
| 21:17.28 | valdyn | Ramattack: any programing reading from /dev/null would get stuck doing it |
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| 21:17.29 | Danielss89 | How do i go from root to ordinary user? |
| 21:17.36 | wols | valdyn: I'd say the intention is to forbid piping into the script |
| 21:17.38 | sparr | Danielss89: "su username" |
| 21:17.44 | Kevin` | sparr is that stable for you? |
| 21:18.05 | valdyn | wols: maybe, does it make sense though? |
| 21:18.05 | sparr | Kevin`: no, but its the only way to get even remotely recent libraries. a strategy that is failing me today. |
| 21:18.32 | wols | valdyn: not really. as I said: stupid but not malicious |
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| 21:19.12 | cha0tic | how do you install TCL? |
| 21:19.31 | valdyn | cha0tic: apt-cache search tcl --names-only |
| 21:19.32 | cha0tic | i can't find the package |
| 21:19.41 | cha0tic | let me look |
| 21:19.43 | cha0tic | thanks |
| 21:19.43 | Ramattack | one momet |
| 21:19.51 | valdyn | sparr: which one? |
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| 21:20.18 | jindal | Kevin`, valdyn: syslog shows a different serial number than the one in the zone file http://jindal.pastebin.ca/418835 |
| 21:20.20 | sparr | valdyn: qsa isnt in apt at all. glew is out of date. |
| 21:20.33 | Kevin` | jindal is it higher? |
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| 21:20.34 | valdyn | sparr: which qsa, theres a few |
| 21:20.51 | valdyn | sparr: one for qt3? |
| 21:21.02 | jindal | Kevin` naah its 1998.... (2006... in file) |
| 21:21.11 | sparr | valdyn: i need the one for qt4, but neither of them are in apt |
| 21:21.31 | Kevin` | jindal theres probably an error that prevented it from loading shown in syslog |
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| 21:21.46 | cha0tic | thanks for the TCL find |
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| 21:21.56 | akifdino | did anyone use a hd44780 lcd with debian on his parallel port? |
| 21:23.50 | sparr | Kevin`: i moved from debian stable to testing to unstable to experimental to get more up to date packages. its still not enough. the call of the dark side (read: gentoo) is becoming strong |
| 21:24.00 | Kevin` | lol |
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| 21:24.20 | sparr | Kevin`: unstable's glew package is over a year out of date |
| 21:24.24 | Kevin` | then accept the call. gentoo is ok if you like continuousl maintainig it :) |
| 21:24.57 | sparr | i need the one from 5 months ago. i wouldnt mind having the one from last month |
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| 21:27.00 | Reiser_x | hey |
| 21:27.01 | valdyn | sparr: qt build system really looks ugly, but i found: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/q/qsa-x11-opensource/ |
| 21:27.01 | Reiser_x | i just installed php5, before i had php4, but i uninstall |
| 21:27.01 | sparr | valdyn: it is QUITE ugly :) |
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| 21:27.14 | sparr | valdyn: nice find, too old though :( |
| 21:27.17 | Reiser_x | but now i can run php files, it ask to open with some app |
| 21:27.26 | Ramattack | wols valdyn I was wondering if perhaps is set there for passing null value for something to the script |
| 21:27.41 | Ramattack | wols valdyn because else perhaps something bad could happen |
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| 21:28.03 | Drstroker | hi all |
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| 21:28.31 | Drstroker | i made a change to my interfaces file, i don't know how to restart my network settings though |
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| 21:33.39 | NetNiet | Drstroker: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:37.59 | bzed | anybody here using amavis-new and configuring the local_domains directly from sql? if so - how did you do it? |
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| 21:39.44 | perlmonkey | does anyone know the command syntax for scanimage to make it write a file? |
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| 21:40.50 | Vasistha | From the manpage: To scan with default settings to the file image.pnm: scanimage >image.pnm |
| 21:40.57 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: ^^^ |
| 21:41.08 | perlmonkey | thanks :) |
| 21:41.33 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: Does it usually output binary data to your console?? |
| 21:42.28 | Vasistha | I'm using etch, and it appears that the swf-player plugin is *hanging* iceweasel. Anyone else using etch + swf-plugin + iceweasel care to test a site for me? http://artofliving.org -- you might want to make sure you don't have anything important open in iceweasel, because it might hang!! |
| 21:42.51 | Reiser_x | i just installed php5, before i had php4, but i uninstall |
| 21:42.52 | Reiser_x | but now i can run php files, it ask to open with some app |
| 21:43.17 | Reiser_x | help |
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| 21:43.28 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: is apache running? |
| 21:43.38 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 21:44.04 | Reiser_x | 14478 ? 00:00:00 apache |
| 21:44.21 | NetNiet | i think if you install php5 then php4 is uninstalled |
| 21:44.30 | NetNiet | so install php4 again |
| 21:44.42 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: what happens if you open the file with another app? does it show you php code? |
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| 21:45.17 | Reiser_x | it show the code |
| 21:45.22 | Reiser_x | i open with bluefish |
| 21:45.47 | Reiser_x | it happen when apache can see php engine |
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| 21:46.33 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: well... it sounds like the apache php5 modules are not installed correctly, or something like that. you might do, e.g., dpkg -l '*php5*' |
| 21:47.01 | kingsley | Why would the following command... |
| 21:47.09 | kingsley | qemu -no-acpi -cdrom /dev/cdrom /dev/hda |
| 21:47.11 | kingsley | report |
| 21:47.14 | freedomness | hi, i need an answer ;) if i've a PCI soundcard installed and working but add an usb soundcard, a) the usb sound card will/won't work b) how do i switch between one and another ? |
| 21:47.17 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 21:47.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 21:47.21 | kingsley | "qemu: could not open hard disk image '/dev/cdrom'"? |
| 21:47.22 | Vasistha | kingsley: ^^^ |
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| 21:48.10 | kingsley | Vasistha: Should I type it again all on one line? |
| 21:48.18 | Reiser_x | http://www.pastebin.ca/418865 |
| 21:48.21 | Vasistha | kingsley: no, just keep that in mind for next time |
| 21:48.34 | Reiser_x | Vasistha: http://www.pastebin.ca/418865 |
| 21:48.42 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: yeah, I got it |
| 21:50.01 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: okay, it looks ilke it is installed properly. for the output that you just pasted: lines that start with 'ii' mean that the package is installed. Lines that start with 'u' mean the package is uninstalled (and 'p' means uninstalled+purged) |
| 21:50.15 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 21:50.38 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: so, there are two possibilities here. First, make sure that the address you type into your web browser starts with http:// rather than file:// |
| 21:50.55 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: and the other thing to do is restart apache. Something like: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:51.11 | akifdino | how can i find out which process uses a particular module? i can not remove the module since it is beeing used |
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| 21:51.26 | Reiser_x | i check both things |
| 21:52.15 | Vasistha | freedomness: have you checked the hardware compatibility lists to make sure the usb soundcard is supported? That should be your first step, even before you buy. google.com/linux and look for the soundcard by model, and see what other people have to say about it. |
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| 21:52.42 | Reiser_x | Vasistha: still the same |
| 21:52.52 | Vasistha | kingsley: you might ask in #qemu |
| 21:52.59 | Reiser_x | have i to change some line of httpd.conf? |
| 21:53.21 | freedomness | Vasistha, the real problem is i don't know how to switch from one sound card to another |
| 21:53.24 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: I have no idea, honestly -- when I upgraded to php5, I also upgraded to etch and apache2 |
| 21:53.28 | streuner | akifdino: lsmod <module> |
| 21:53.32 | freedomness | (withouth removal) |
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| 21:53.43 | valdyn | akifdino: which module? |
| 21:53.55 | kingsley | Vasistha: That's a good suggestion. i will. |
| 21:53.56 | akifdino | valdyn: it is ppdev which makes problems |
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| 21:54.13 | akifdino | streuner: this shows only that it is beeing used by a number 4 |
| 21:54.14 | Vasistha | freedomness: ALSA should be able to handle it, but I have no experience here. have you googled for alsa and maybe dual sound cards, or something? that should be a good starting point |
| 21:54.16 | streuner | akifdino: show us the output of the command above |
| 21:54.24 | akifdino | smod ppdev |
| 21:54.24 | akifdino | Usage: lsmod |
| 21:54.41 | akifdino | streuner: lsmod alone shows all the loaded modules |
| 21:54.49 | valdyn | akifdino: lsmod | grep ppdev, does it occur once or more often? |
| 21:54.49 | Reiser_x | streuner: wazzup |
| 21:54.55 | akifdino | ppdev 8676 4 |
| 21:54.55 | streuner | streuner> akifdino: lsmod <module> |
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| 21:55.02 | Reiser_x | can you help me with php5 installation problems |
| 21:55.12 | akifdino | streuner: the command lsmod ppdev does not work |
| 21:55.32 | akifdino | streuner: but lsmod alone show it |
| 21:55.39 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: here's another thing to do: go to http://localhost |
| 21:55.52 | akifdino | valdyn: ppdev 8676 4 |
| 21:55.52 | akifdino | parport 33256 2 ppdev,parport_pc |
| 21:55.54 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: that'll just verify that apache is running :P |
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| 21:56.05 | streuner | akidino: knusper:/home/user# modinfo ppdev ; depends: parport |
| 21:56.08 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 21:56.32 | streuner | akidino: do you use a printer? :-) |
| 21:56.39 | streuner | Reiser_x: hi |
| 21:56.40 | Reiser_x | i can see all woking |
| 21:56.48 | akifdino | valdyn: i did try to unload parport_pc parport and also ppdev but it doesnt work |
| 21:56.57 | akifdino | streuner: no actually a lcd display which doesn't work yet |
| 21:57.00 | Reiser_x | streuner: i have some problems with php5 and apache |
| 21:57.03 | freedomness | ok i'll try |
| 21:57.43 | piper69 | ifconfig return that eth1 is assigend 192.168.1.9, but everytime i try to ping anything i get Host name unreachable |
| 21:57.43 | streuner | well, you'll have usually problems all the time with php, so its a common situation :-/ |
| 21:58.05 | Reiser_x | streuner: ho man, |
| 21:58.08 | Vasistha | hehheh ... usually all the time :-) |
| 21:58.17 | Reiser_x | streuner: i just installed php5 |
| 21:58.19 | valdyn | akifdino: i can only guess for this module: try stopping udev and dbus |
| 21:58.33 | streuner | aki: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:58.40 | streuner | akif: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:58.50 | Vasistha | piper69: what do you mean, "anything"? Are you sure you're not having dns trouble/ |
| 21:59.00 | streuner | akidino: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:59.24 | piper69 | Vasistha: i mean like my router or any site |
| 21:59.41 | piper69 | i even did dhclient eth1 |
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| 22:00.06 | Vasistha | piper69: well, if you can't ping your router, that's a pretty good indication that things aren't working :-) |
| 22:00.13 | piper69 | '/etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:00.27 | piper69 | yeah |
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| 22:00.49 | Vasistha | piper69: rather than doing the whole networking restart thing, it'll probably make things easier if you learn to use 'ifup eth1' and 'ifdown eth1' |
| 22:01.06 | Vanpriest | hi someone could help me sending email wiht sendmail, i got tat message when i try to send an email |
| 22:01.07 | Vanpriest | sendmail[26761]: l2VM0oCY026761: [127.0.0.1]: SMTP DATA-1 protocol error: 250 2.1.5 |
| 22:01.26 | Vasistha | piper69: and you should know, that ifup and ifdown both reference the configuration file called /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:01.38 | piper69 | Vasistha: I did that and its tellingme that eth1 is already configerd |
| 22:01.52 | Vasistha | piper69: ahh, then you need to ifdown eth1, then ifup eth1 |
| 22:02.22 | Vasistha | piper69: btw, it took me a really long time to figure this out -- "if" stands for "interface", it does not mean literally, 'if' |
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| 22:03.32 | piper69 | Vasistha: i did that and i got bound to 192.168.1.9 -- renwal in 35626 sec |
| 22:03.44 | Vasistha | piper69: so it did a dhcp connection? |
| 22:03.55 | Vasistha | (yeah, that's what bound+renewal indicates) |
| 22:03.59 | piper69 | but still i get destinetion host unreachable |
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| 22:04.12 | Vasistha | piper69: what does ifconfig say is your gateway? try to ping your gateway |
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| 22:04.32 | piper69 | i know that my gate way is 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:04.33 | Vasistha | piper69: oh, and make sure your firewall isn't blocking ping! ;-) |
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| 22:06.20 | Vanpriest | hi someone could help me sending email wiht sendmail, i got tat message when i try to send an email? |
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| 22:06.29 | piper69 | Vasistha: no its not, and i ifconfig didn't say anything about gateway |
| 22:06.36 | Vasistha | piper69: you know what? you should pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces :-) |
| 22:06.53 | Vasistha | piper69: I was just noticing that "lack" in ifconfig -- rather frustrating :P |
| 22:07.16 | piper69 | Vasistha: i can't , because that box doesn't internet connection |
| 22:07.35 | Vasistha | piper69: well, you could copy the file with a usb stick? |
| 22:07.39 | scruffy | perlmonkey: whew, what a morning |
| 22:07.58 | perlmonkey | scruffy! |
| 22:08.11 | perlmonkey | what happened, u r up already |
| 22:08.12 | mfrisch | sco b sco b doo |
| 22:08.32 | scruffy | perlmonkey: hehe pass the aspirin |
| 22:08.33 | Vasistha | sco b DOO b doo :-) |
| 22:08.34 | piper69 | Vasistha: for my bad luck i forgot it at work |
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| 22:09.02 | Vasistha | piper69: well, just look through the file and find that section on eth1. The file shouldn't really be that big |
| 22:09.12 | Vanpriest | i have trouble to send email trought the mail command. It always give me a error on the SMTP protocol somoene could help me out? |
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| 22:09.50 | piper69 | Vasistha: wait did i mention its a wireless |
| 22:11.40 | Vasistha | Vanpriest: I can't help you, but someone else will have an easier time helping you, if you pastebin the error, and how you got it, and your configuration settings |
| 22:11.40 | piper69 | and it was working before with the same everything i don't know what happend |
| 22:11.41 | Vasistha | piper69: no, you didn't mention it was wireless, and that certainly throws a wrench in it, doesn't it? |
| 22:11.41 | Vasistha | heh, I wonder if my wireless works right now... |
| 22:11.41 | piper69 | Vasistha: please accept my apology |
| 22:11.41 | Vasistha | piper69: don't worry about it :-) |
| 22:11.41 | mfrisch | Vanpriest: what ISP are you using you prob can't connect anyways? |
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| 22:12.33 | piper69 | Vasistha: should i just got dig in my garage and grab me a x-over cable and hook it up to my windows box |
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| 22:12.45 | piper69 | lspci see's the card |
| 22:13.13 | Vasistha | piper69: sounds like a good way to start the troubleshooting process ... and since it was able to get a recognition from the dhcp server, it sounds like it's *almost* working |
| 22:13.43 | Vasistha | piper69: although it certainly wouldn't hurt to verify that wired internet works on the box |
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| 22:15.01 | Vanpriest | mfrisch: it was working before. not anymore.. |
| 22:15.46 | mfrisch | Vanpriest: it was...who is your ISP? Do you use exim? |
| 22:15.54 | piper69 | Vasistha: i repluged the card and it's asking me the password of the default keyring |
| 22:16.07 | piper69 | what the hell is that , never asked me this before |
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| 22:18.00 | Kevin` | where can I set a command to be run on X startup or login (with gdm) |
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| 22:18.22 | mfrisch | Kevin`: ~/.xsession |
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| 22:18.45 | Vasistha | piper69: no idea :P my best guess would be maybe it's storing a wep password or something in a wallet of some sort? but that may be totally off. |
| 22:19.14 | Kevin` | mfrisch that didn't work |
| 22:19.55 | mfrisch | Kevin`: ~/.Xsession I don't use it ;-) I guess the better ? is what DE do you use after gdm? |
| 22:20.04 | Kevin` | fluxbox |
| 22:20.25 | xingu | Kevin`: etc/X11/Xsession.options:allow-user-xsession; then ~/.xsession |
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| 22:20.59 | Vasistha | I think ~/.xsession is for setting environment variables and the like, *before* starting x |
| 22:21.29 | Kevin` | allow-user-xsession |
| 22:21.31 | perlmonkey | scruffy is hungover |
| 22:21.32 | Kevin` | is already present |
| 22:21.33 | mfrisch | Kevin`: I am pretty sure fluxbox has a config file to play with in ~/. for instance kde has ~/.kde/Autostart folder to add stuff |
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| 22:22.10 | Kevin` | mfrisch I would like it in effect for all WM if possible, but I will look |
| 22:22.13 | streuner | Kevin`: read the FAQ of fluxbox.sf.net |
| 22:22.18 | Vanpriest | mfrisch: i just using sendmail and mailx and smtpd |
| 22:22.28 | Vanpriest | mfrisch: my provider is a hosting company, theplanet.com |
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| 22:23.02 | streuner | mailx only works if you have a working MTA |
| 22:23.26 | mfrisch | Vanpriest: did they change things around (auth method) for your host..I was going to point you to a exim howto on auth |
| 22:24.11 | Kevin` | ok, now how do I disable screen blanking on VTs (non-x) |
| 22:24.28 | xingu | Kevin`: in that case just create ~/.xsession; the magic happens in etc/X11/Xsession -> etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup |
| 22:24.41 | xingu | Kevin`: setterm |
| 22:24.47 | Kevin` | xingu I tried in .xsession, didn't work |
| 22:24.57 | Vanpriest | mfrisch: is there a way to figure it out? |
| 22:25.06 | Vanpriest | mfrisch: im not really familiar with email things.. |
| 22:25.20 | xingu | Kevin`: check .xsession-errors then, there must be a syntactical problem with it; is the file set executable? |
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| 22:25.46 | streuner | Vanpriest: just run the configure file of exim or postfix and set everything to smarthost |
| 22:25.52 | Kevin` | xingu nope :) |
| 22:25.57 | mfrisch | Vanpriest: telnet to the email servers ip..it will tell you about what you are connecting to |
| 22:25.57 | xingu | .. |
| 22:26.49 | Kevin` | still isn't working as executable |
| 22:27.01 | xingu | Kevin`: what's logged in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 22:27.48 | Kevin` | xingu http://pastebin.ca/418916 |
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| 22:28.26 | phogg | why is last weeks episode of BSG so hard to find? |
| 22:28.46 | Kevin` | bsg? |
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| 22:29.29 | xingu | Kevin`: if it's missing a #!/bin/bash - add it and retry? |
| 22:29.50 | Kevin` | the file is currently this: |
| 22:29.52 | scruffy | perlmonkey: I'm actually better now, but that took about 6 hours. I'm not going to look in the log. |
| 22:29.54 | Kevin` | #! /bin/sh |
| 22:29.54 | Kevin` | xterm& |
| 22:30.27 | perlmonkey | scruffy do u get headaches from drinking |
| 22:30.44 | phogg | Kevin`: don't you need a space before the & ? |
| 22:30.52 | Kevin` | no |
| 22:31.00 | scruffy | perlmonkey: yeah unless I manage to get down a glass of water before i hit the deck |
| 22:31.09 | concept10 | I have an interesting problem: I have a Rideway Firewall device. It has an old version of Red Hat on it and I would like to put Debian on it. The computer boots from a 8mb flash disk that plugs directly into the IDE Port. There is only one IDE port and BIOS complains if its not there. I have to flash the BIOS some way to get it to shut up. Any open BIOS solutions or any other way to get this install going? |
| 22:31.12 | perlmonkey | really bad? |
| 22:31.39 | perlmonkey | i get those too, even from 1 drink..never used to until a few years ago |
| 22:31.47 | Kevin` | concept10 I would just leave it there (the ide device) |
| 22:32.01 | scruffy | perlmonkey: not terrible, just the typical I think. drinking causes sinus problems though which kinda makes it worse. |
| 22:32.04 | Kevin` | concept10 open bios for a randomly selected device is unlikely |
| 22:32.24 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 22:32.49 | bzed | concept10: why don't you leave the flash disk in there? or repalce it by a large one? |
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| 22:33.29 | concept10 | leaving it there is no problem. I think they have some security to prevent you from booting something else |
| 22:33.38 | concept10 | im trying to get past that |
| 22:34.04 | Kevin` | "security" through crap? |
| 22:34.36 | mfrisch | concept10: can you see the ide with like a flash disk live disk? |
| 22:34.40 | concept10 | I try to boot from CD to get an install going and the box will not come on (it just makes these long beeps) without that flash disk in there |
| 22:34.41 | Kevin` | I suppose that does work, make your stuff worthless and people don't want it.. like a datacenter with a dialup link :) |
| 22:34.56 | Kevin` | concept10 modify the content on the flash disk |
| 22:36.04 | concept10 | mfrisch, yeah I can see it, the motherboard is really small. It has one floppy connector, one IDE. The flash is connected _directly_ to the IDE connector |
| 22:36.37 | concept10 | its like a chicken and egg problem |
| 22:36.40 | Kevin` | that's fairly common for embeded stuff (that's stuck with ide, at least), either ide disk or ide-cf with a cf disk |
| 22:36.55 | mfrisch | concept10: I meant can a live cd use the ide drive? |
| 22:37.21 | Kevin` | concept10 you mean it's soldered on, with no way of removing it? or what |
| 22:37.34 | concept10 | Kevin`, no |
| 22:37.40 | concept10 | not soldered |
| 22:37.51 | xingu | Kevin`: aah, gnome is going to take over session management unless you log in with "custom" gdm session option. |
| 22:38.10 | Kevin` | what happens if you boot it with a 10gb ide drive or so |
| 22:38.27 | xingu | Kevin`: if you're using gnome, you can either use a custom session, or, you can add it to the gnome session |
| 22:38.27 | Guerin | hm, will etch even work with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:38.33 | concept10 | IDE connector male.. Flash Disk on Module (what its called) is a Female so it plugs directly to the motherboard |
| 22:38.36 | mfrisch | concept10: this might help..but I don't think it will work. http://openbios.info/Welcome_to_OpenBIOS |
| 22:38.40 | streuner | Guerin: no way |
| 22:38.52 | Guerin | graah |
| 22:38.56 | phorce1 | Guerin: unfortunately, yes |
| 22:38.56 | Guerin | typical |
| 22:38.57 | streuner | Guerin: etch will only work with 2.6.x kernels |
| 22:39.01 | streuner | haha |
| 22:39.02 | concept10 | Im about to take a sledgehammer this POS box |
| 22:39.10 | streuner | Guerin: 'date' :-P |
| 22:39.17 | Guerin | oho, who is right? |
| 22:39.18 | Kevin` | there's also this: http://linuxbios.org/Welcome_to_LinuxBIOS - but again, for a random device, it's unlikely to be supported by anything. |
| 22:39.19 | phorce1 | streuner: that's not correct |
| 22:39.24 | streuner | haha |
| 22:39.32 | streuner | it's the first of april ;-) |
| 22:39.37 | Guerin | streuner: i ask because I have a modem for which drivers only exist for 2.4 kernels, which I may need to get working |
| 22:39.47 | phorce1 | streuner: I have an unfortunate bastardized machine right here in front of me |
| 22:39.48 | xingu | Kevin`: custom session will wind up running ~/.xsession - the default session uses the factory default /etc/gdm/Xsession, and you get to use the Sessions preferences panel, startup programs tab |
| 22:39.52 | Kevin` | concept10 what happens if you plug a normal disk into it, or plug the flash disk into a normal computer? |
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| 22:39.58 | SKOM | hi |
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| 22:40.15 | Kevin` | xingu i'm not using gnome |
| 22:40.20 | streuner | Guerin: what kind of modem? |
| 22:40.25 | concept10 | Kevin`, it complains without the flash disk installed |
| 22:40.41 | Kevin` | concept10 it complains if another disk is inserted? even with the same content on it? |
| 22:40.41 | xingu | Kevin`: err the first paste says you are - you're logging in via gdm |
| 22:40.50 | Kevin` | xingu yes, but i'm not using gnome.. |
| 22:40.54 | concept10 | Kevin`, im going to check with another hard disk |
| 22:41.05 | streuner | Guerin: there shouldn't be a problem to run 2.4.x in etch at all, i run personally 2.2.25 in sarge... |
| 22:41.12 | phorce1 | Guerin: the only way I know to get 2.4 on etch is to upgrade from sarge, watch carefully, and do NOT let it upgrade the kernel or try to install udev |
| 22:41.14 | Kevin` | complaining with no boot device is a sane behavior :) |
| 22:41.21 | xingu | Kevin`: ... you're using the parts of it that I'm referring to, that's for sure - it's logged right there in .xsession-errors |
| 22:42.20 | Kevin` | xingu where is the "session preferences menu"? |
| 22:42.42 | phorce1 | Guerin: I di the sarge-to-etch upgrade without first moving to sarge-2.6 and now I can't get my machine upgraded to 2.6 because udev installation breaks. I had to put sarge lines back in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get reinstall 2.4 to get it booting cleanly again. |
| 22:42.46 | streuner | phorce1: upgrades doesn't touch kernels |
| 22:42.50 | concept10 | I have three useless boxes in my closet. This firewall box, a Cobalt RaQ2 and some other embedded crap. If I cant get linux on them today they are going in the trash |
| 22:43.00 | xingu | Kevin`: for me, with metacity wm, it's desktop->preferences->session; for you, maybe just run gnome-session-properties? |
| 22:43.13 | streuner | Guerin: just read 'errata' and 'Release-Notes' |
| 22:43.16 | mfrisch | concept10: did you get them for free? |
| 22:43.55 | Kevin` | -bash: gnome-session-properties: command not found |
| 22:43.55 | Kevin` | xingu meh, i'll just add it to the global xsession file |
| 22:43.55 | concept10 | mfrisch, yep |
| 22:43.55 | Guerin | streuner: april fool, you win |
| 22:43.58 | phorce1 | streuner: it's the kernel upgrade after dist-upgrade that's got me messed up. I'd rather move to 2.6 but can't (easily) |
| 22:44.02 | xingu | Kevin`: fair do; don't put it in the script, maybe just throw it into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/... |
| 22:44.10 | mfrisch | concept10: man at least give it some time. |
| 22:44.30 | streuner | Guerin: well, somebody said 'etch is out', and another one point me to some other stuff, i hate april jokes acutally ... ;-) |
| 22:44.35 | xingu | Kevin`: scripts in that dir are sourced by {etc/X11/Xsession || etc/gdm/Xsession} |
| 22:45.06 | Kevin` | k |
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| 22:45.48 | phogg | Kevin`: if .xsession did not work for you, you can place commands in .xinitrc |
| 22:46.43 | GhostlyDeath | "You have inserted a blank disk, what would you like to do?" |
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| 22:47.51 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 22:47.52 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
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| 22:48.53 | jelly-home | though 23 is close enough |
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| 22:49.58 | GhostlyDeath | Has anyone made any LCD Light changer drivers? |
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| 22:51.21 | Ankman | on and off ;-) |
| 22:51.59 | `nicola | Hi guys, I got this error while trying to compile gimmie/nspluginwrapper/rhythmbox on a ubuntu 64. and from #ubuntu they sent me here |
| 22:52.00 | `nicola | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libfontconfig.a(fccfg.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
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| 22:52.14 | codemann | i've build my own kernel, but when I use apt I still see packages like kernel-package in it... can I safely remove that package from my apt? i wanted to ask before doing so, cause doing it can harm my system seriously :-\ |
| 22:52.14 | mfrisch | ha ha |
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| 22:53.15 | mfrisch | codemann: not unless you want to remove the kernel too ;-) |
| 22:53.47 | jelly-home | codemann: if your kernel works, sure you can remove the installed packages. They will, however, remain available for installation via apt. |
| 22:53.52 | codemann | mfrisch... but I compiled it myself (not with apt), would removing it with apt remove my selfbuilt kernel? |
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| 22:54.04 | jelly-home | codemann: no. |
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| 22:54.36 | mfrisch | codemann: kernel-package is a program the kernel is something else kernel-package makes kernel debs. |
| 22:54.47 | jjido | Hello, is it possible to install Ubuntu with a Debian bootstrap? |
| 22:54.49 | jelly-home | codemann: unless you were dumb enough no name your kernel with exact same EXTRAVERSION as the one Debian used |
| 22:55.00 | codemann | hehe no jelly |
| 22:55.00 | jelly-home | s/no/to/ |
| 22:55.41 | GhostlyDeath | How do I remove GRUB? |
| 22:55.43 | concept10 | oh yes.. I tricked it |
| 22:55.48 | jelly-home | codemann: I used to use custom kernels exclusively |
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| 22:56.02 | codemann | jelly how do you exclusively ? |
| 22:56.09 | concept10 | mfrisch, I am now seeing the debian installer |
| 22:56.15 | codemann | how do you mean exclusively that is |
| 22:56.31 | jelly-home | codemann: I mean, have no kernel-image-* or linux-image-* installed |
| 22:56.43 | mfrisch | concept10: yeah..does it see the ide disk? |
| 22:56.55 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: why? |
| 22:57.00 | mfrisch | concept10: I meant yea yea yea |
| 22:57.08 | codemann | jelly you mean you compiled them yourself like me? |
| 22:57.13 | jelly-home | codemann: right |
| 22:57.26 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: becuase |
| 22:57.46 | GhostlyDeath | If you only got one OS, what's the point of GRUB eh? |
| 22:57.51 | codemann | jelly i always prefer to build my kernel and my main software (apache, php, ...) myself... then I upgrade when I want it |
| 22:58.03 | concept10 | mfrisch, Yeah, I just had to plug in a CD ROM (that worked) and a IDE disk. I guess it didnt like the DVD player I first used |
| 22:58.08 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Because you need to be able to choose different kernel images? |
| 22:58.12 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you have to have _something_ in the master boot record, it might as well be grub |
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| 22:58.52 | GhostlyDeath | You can't dry boot Linux? |
| 22:58.53 | mfrisch | concept10: cool ;-) and you were going to throw it away |
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| 22:59.25 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: you need some boot loader for almost anything |
| 22:59.32 | concept10 | mfrisch, I wish I could install debian on this 8mb flash disk |
| 22:59.33 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: What do you mean by dry boot? If you mean booting without a bootloader, not even Windows does that. |
| 22:59.50 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: nope, Linux doesn't fit in 440 or so bytes available in the boot sector |
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| 23:00.07 | concept10 | The framebuffer is dog slow, it reminds me of 300 baud modem |
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| 23:00.52 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: on some architectures other than PC, you can boot the kernel directly from PROM though. Eg. on Sun SPARC machines. |
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| 23:01.11 | GhostlyDeath | My old computer could boot Linux with just the Linux partition being active |
| 23:01.16 | jjido | I have an old laptop, and I cannot boot from CD |
| 23:01.27 | Pobega | What kind of computer was your old computer? |
| 23:01.28 | jjido | don't know how to install |
| 23:01.30 | Gryfelhase | Hi@all..... I've a question: I used years ago modems with hayes-at-commands. When I 'll use under debian (sarge or etch) a Umts-mobile as a modem, do I need special software for it or can i use "terminals" with at-commands like years ago? |
| 23:01.30 | LinuxNIT | anyone know how to convert m4a to mp3 and preserve the id3tags? |
| 23:01.37 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you still had a DOS compatible master boot sector. |
| 23:01.46 | GhostlyDeath | Sony VAIO |
| 23:01.48 | GhostlyDeath | 1999 |
| 23:01.56 | Pobega | If it was x86, then what jelly-home said is probably the case. |
| 23:02.02 | GhostlyDeath | x86 |
| 23:02.09 | GhostlyDeath | Pentium III with Windows 98 SE =( |
| 23:02.15 | GhostlyDeath | it is no longer with us |
| 23:02.21 | GhostlyDeath | Damn hardware |
| 23:02.46 | GhostlyDeath | I want to remove windows and switch to linux |
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| 23:03.06 | Pobega | Wait, GhostlyDeath: Did it boot Windows of Linux? Windows' bootloader doesn't ask which OS to boot as far as I know. |
| 23:03.06 | phorce1 | GhostlyDeath: It was probably using LILO with only one image and no menu. |
| 23:03.24 | jjido | I have a ThinkPad 240 (Celeron 300MHz) |
| 23:03.30 | GhostlyDeath | phorce1: there was no image and I told it not to install GRUB or LILO |
| 23:03.42 | Pobega | Wow, that's pretty cool jelly-home. I wish I could have tried that, but I haven't touched Windows since my initial Linux install ;P |
| 23:03.44 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: unlikely |
| 23:03.55 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: Windows and Linux were seperate |
| 23:03.57 | perlmonkey | i had a 72gb drive |
| 23:04.08 | jelly-home | Pobega: Had to do it that way because of BIOS funkiness |
| 23:04.10 | DebianBox | how do i format a hard drive? |
| 23:04.21 | Pobega | Err, I mean't or. Also, you had to have had a MBR to load the OS, as far as I know. |
| 23:04.35 | jelly-home | !sunday |
| 23:04.35 | phogg | DebianBox: fdisk to partition, then make any filesystem you like with mkfs.something |
| 23:04.35 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 23:04.36 | perlmonkey | i fitted it, mke2fs -j now i have a 64GB drive |
| 23:04.44 | Pobega | DebianBox: You can do it from a LiveCD, using a partition program (i.e. gparted, gnuparted, or fdisk) |
| 23:04.46 | perlmonkey | wtf |
| 23:04.58 | mfrisch | concept10: I can't find it but there is debian software for like lynksys routers. its to stripped I would think |
| 23:05.02 | Pobega | Not sunday here yet :D |
| 23:05.03 | perlmonkey | wheres me 8GB gone |
| 23:05.05 | Pobega | !saturday |
| 23:05.06 | dpkg | from memory, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
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| 23:05.21 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: does the Debian "etch" (3/17/2007) amd64 live boot? |
| 23:05.29 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: 64GB drive, or 64GB available space on the (single, formatted) partition? |
| 23:05.34 | Pobega | LiveCD or installer? |
| 23:05.38 | concept10 | mfrisch, thanks, I will find it |
| 23:05.43 | GhostlyDeath | ISOs I downloaded |
| 23:05.48 | Pobega | Like I said |
| 23:05.55 | Gryfelhase | i preffer cfdisk against fdisk |
| 23:05.55 | Pobega | Did you get it from the Debian Live Project, or from Debian.org? |
| 23:05.56 | GhostlyDeath | Most likely installer |
| 23:05.57 | perlmonkey | /dev/sdb1 68G 180M 64G 1%# |
| 23:06.01 | GhostlyDeath | Debian.org |
| 23:06.06 | Gryfelhase | (from comandline) |
| 23:06.08 | jelly-home | perlmonk: that's normal. |
| 23:06.10 | GhostlyDeath | Torrented them |
| 23:06.11 | Pobega | Well yeah, it should boot. Just change your BIOS boot order. |
| 23:06.15 | jelly-home | perlmonkey, even: that's normal. |
| 23:06.17 | Pobega | It's an installer, by the way. |
| 23:06.22 | perlmonkey | why so much space used :-/ |
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| 23:06.27 | GhostlyDeath | There Debian LiveCDs? |
| 23:06.30 | perlmonkey | for what eh |
| 23:06.40 | `nicola | thanks anyway guys, I fixed the problem myself. goodbye |
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| 23:06.46 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: 5% is reserved for root for optimal performance |
| 23:06.48 | GhostlyDeath | Can I keep all my Linux settings, I just need to move the partitions over |
| 23:06.50 | perlmonkey | that is a 72GB drive |
| 23:06.51 | Pobega | Yes, but they're experimental (I believe?). There is a project specifically for Debian-oficial LiveCDs. |
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| 23:06.56 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 23:07.07 | phorce1 | concept10: google for wrt54G for the various linux flash versions that fit on a linksys router. |
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| 23:07.22 | perlmonkey | fair enuff |
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| 23:07.56 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: the rest is the difference between disk manufacturer's GB (10^9 bytes) and df's GB (2^30 bytes) |
| 23:08.02 | perlmonkey | someone sold me that drive with Windows still on it and all their data |
| 23:08.32 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: do a cat /dev/urandom on the WHOLE thing? |
| 23:08.34 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: Where can I get Debian LiveCDs? |
| 23:08.36 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: i see, thanks for explaining I thought perhaps the disk was a dud |
| 23:08.46 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Give me a minute to search, and I'll get back to you. |
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| 23:08.56 | phorce1 | concept10: they are going to be VERY hardware specific though. You'll have to doo some cross-compiling and driver adding to get a version that will boot on a PC |
| 23:08.57 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: that scares me, not sure why |
| 23:09.06 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: no, a 72GB disk does indeed hold 68-69GB ;-) |
| 23:09.14 | perlmonkey | its all lies eh |
| 23:09.24 | jelly-home | not lies, marketing |
| 23:09.26 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 23:09.30 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:09.41 | perlmonkey | its like someone selling u a lb of cheese and only give u 3/4 of a lb |
| 23:09.43 | Pobega | For future references, http://wiki.debian.org is awesome for information on the fly. |
| 23:09.45 | jjido | what would happen if I install on a computer, then transfer the disk data to another computer? |
| 23:09.53 | DebianBox | how do i get a list of allb lock devices on my pC? |
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| 23:10.10 | Crypticfortune_ | is ssh1 like fundamentally less secure than ssh2? anything serious? |
| 23:10.19 | perlmonkey | in Windose, what u see is what u get tho eh for drive storage |
| 23:10.26 | perlmonkey | u put in 100GB u get 100GB space |
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| 23:10.35 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte |
| 23:10.41 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 23:10.42 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: yeah they lie! |
| 23:10.54 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: windows gigabytes are smaller than df ones ;-) |
| 23:10.54 | DebianBox | perl monkey windows cant tell time or space |
| 23:11.13 | Pobega | DebianBox: Be fair. Windows can tell time ;D |
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| 23:11.24 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: try df -H |
| 23:11.51 | phorce1 | Pobega: yep, it can tell time ---- when updated daily from my Debian NTP server |
| 23:12.14 | Vasistha | heh. a neighbor just knocked at the door because she has extra LA Philharmonic tickets that she can't use ... the ironic thing is, we're already going, and had an extra ticket we had the darndest time finding someone to take |
| 23:12.49 | Pobega | phorce1: At least it's easier then updating a clock. Good work M$ did there, building a somewhat easy to use clock. But the operating system is for another argument. |
| 23:12.54 | perlmonkey | /dev/sdb1 73G 189M 69G 1% /home/mythtv |
| 23:13.10 | perlmonkey | it speakith the truth now |
| 23:13.15 | perlmonkey | thats more like it |
| 23:13.19 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: There x86_64 builds? |
| 23:13.48 | GhostlyDeath | How much space should I allocate for a /home [ext3] and / [ext3] setup "Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes"? |
| 23:13.52 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: now go rtfm :-) |
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| 23:13.59 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 23:14.01 | GhostlyDeath | :) |
| 23:14.04 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: i386 should work fine. |
| 23:14.09 | Deepa | My mailserver doesnt want to get emails from abused.armchairs.be :/ |
| 23:14.27 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: depends on the machine's purpose, of course |
| 23:14.39 | Deepa | I get this in the headers |
| 23:14.40 | Deepa | Received: from ???connection?timed?out??no?servers?could?be?reached (abused.armchairs.be [80.244.90.117]) |
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| 23:14.52 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: personal Laptop |
| 23:14.53 | Deepa | Received-SPF: fail |
| 23:14.53 | Deepa | Received: from toaster (deepy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) |
| 23:14.53 | Deepa | by ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l2VNVb3p015239 |
| 23:14.53 | Deepa | for <deep.alexander@gmail.com>; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:31:38 +0200 |
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| 23:14.59 | Deepa | oops |
| 23:15.11 | jelly-home | !tell Deepa -about paste |
| 23:15.23 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: I did 33GB /, 45GB /home, and 2GB swap. I went overboard on the swap, but I really have no other use for that extra space. |
| 23:15.31 | Deepa | It was only 2 lines |
| 23:15.35 | Deepa | But I supposed I could paste the whole header |
| 23:15.41 | Pobega | But I use the hell out of my /home folder, so it really depends what you plan on using. |
| 23:15.51 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: But that's 80GB! |
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| 23:16.03 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: $n*2 |
| 23:16.09 | Pobega | :) |
| 23:16.12 | GhostlyDeath | :( |
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| 23:16.18 | phorce1 | perlmonkey: /dev/sda6 307G 166G 126G 57% /home |
| 23:16.23 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Is it a home computer, or what? |
| 23:16.26 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 23:16.32 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 23:16.39 | GhostlyDeath | 100GB /home and 58GB / and 2GB swap? |
| 23:16.55 | Pobega | If it's home you should probably do 1GB swap, and half/half root/home |
| 23:17.01 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: no need to have 60GB root. |
| 23:17.05 | Deepa | http://channels.debian.net/paste2/5909 |
| 23:17.07 | Deepa | There's it then |
| 23:17.08 | Deepa | the header |
| 23:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | What about alot of packages? |
| 23:17.17 | Deepa | I just hid my email address tho |
| 23:17.23 | Pobega | I mean, with all of that space, you can't go wrong with a bad partition. |
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| 23:17.36 | Pobega | And when it comes time to change anything if you need to, just repartition. Nothing is permanent ;D |
| 23:17.37 | GhostlyDeath | If / ever messes up, I still got all my files in /home |
| 23:17.39 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you won't have that much no matter how hard you try |
| 23:17.45 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: I am fine with 11g / I got 7g of programs |
| 23:17.58 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: It's just an estimate |
| 23:18.13 | Pobega | Well you'll never need that much. |
| 23:18.14 | perlmonkey | i have 130MB swap |
| 23:18.29 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: I'd go with 15GB / 15GB /var rest for /home. Single OS machine? |
| 23:18.29 | Pobega | But with all of that space, why not use it? |
| 23:18.45 | perlmonkey | 17GB root |
| 23:18.49 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: Currently Windows gets 100GB, /home got 40Gb and / got 20GB |
| 23:18.51 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: and thats 2729 packages! |
| 23:18.59 | Pobega | You'll NEVER need over 20GB. |
| 23:19.08 | Pobega | For /, I mean. |
| 23:19.10 | GhostlyDeath | 1583 packages installed |
| 23:19.13 | WrecknRoll | anyone ever use poc-http ? |
| 23:19.19 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 23:19.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:19.24 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you might want to consider a vfat partition to share data between Windows and Linux |
| 23:19.26 | Deepa | Pobega: That depends, Is /var/cache located at /? |
| 23:19.27 | Pobega | How do you check how many packages you have installed? |
| 23:19.34 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: I'm removing windows |
| 23:19.37 | concept10 | whats the purpose of using LVM? |
| 23:19.41 | WrecknRoll | I'm wondering if anyone has ever added a random featur to poc-http, the music streamer |
| 23:19.47 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: so it _is_ going to be a single OS machine |
| 23:19.51 | Pobega | I don't have a /var partition, should I |
| 23:19.51 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 23:19.53 | Pobega | ?* |
| 23:19.54 | WrecknRoll | or knows how I might start going about that |
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| 23:20.01 | Kevin` | jelly-home, GhostlyDeath, don't see much reason for vfat as windows can read/write ext2 and linux can read/write ntfs |
| 23:20.08 | codemann | i'm way too tired, i'm off to bed... nite guys! |
| 23:20.17 | concept10 | !lvm |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 23:20.17 | GhostlyDeath | nite |
| 23:20.24 | Kevin` | I personally put all filesystems into one partition, it simplifies things |
| 23:20.26 | Deepa | Pobega: Imagine /var/cache filling up your / :) |
| 23:20.29 | mfrisch | concept10: for you it can help somethings but isn't really needed. but for instance, you can snapshot your partitions |
| 23:20.45 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin` I would of installed Linux on the same partition of Windows |
| 23:20.46 | Deepa | Kevin`: But what do you do when you run out of space :)? Boot into single-user mode and delete some files |
| 23:20.47 | Vasistha | WrecknRoll: you might want to start by downloading the source, which you can probably do with apt-get source poc-http (which you can run as a normal user) |
| 23:20.51 | Pobega | Deepa: I always clean out my caches, so I don't think it will be happening anytime soon. |
| 23:20.54 | GhostlyDeath | but it didn't like being installed on NTFS |
| 23:20.58 | jelly-home | Kevin`: not natively / out of the box. Also there's no fsck for ntfs on Linux |
| 23:21.01 | Vasistha | WrecknRoll: apt-rdepends may also be useful for discovering build dependencies |
| 23:21.19 | Kevin` | jelly-home I don't mean install linux to ntfs, I mean you wouldn't need a seperate vfat really |
| 23:21.21 | jelly-home | Kevin`: vfat is still the safe bet |
| 23:21.35 | Kevin` | installing linux to ntfs is silly because the permissions are different, if for no other reason |
| 23:21.42 | GhostlyDeath | Does anyone have Linux? |
| 23:21.44 | WrecknRoll | Vasistha - I have it, it works very well . . . but I have to list the filenames I want to play. I was hoping to get some sort of random playlist, but haven't found any info on one yet . . . |
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| 23:21.49 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 23:21.52 | Kevin` | I suspect everyone here has linux |
| 23:21.54 | jelly-home | Kevin`: who said anything about installing to ntfs? |
| 23:21.55 | Deepa | GhostlyDeath: I think its sorta the point for this channel |
| 23:21.56 | WrecknRoll | Vasistha - wondering if that is possible. |
| 23:22.01 | Pobega | I don't have Linux, what is it? |
| 23:22.09 | GhostlyDeath | Some OS made by some guy |
| 23:22.10 | Kevin` | Pobega hacker tool from japan |
| 23:22.14 | Deepa | I got this "LUNIX" on my machine |
| 23:22.17 | Pobega | My friend asked me a while ago |
| 23:22.18 | Deepa | I think its open-sores |
| 23:22.21 | Ankman | washing powder |
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| 23:22.30 | Pobega | "Why are there so many Linux copies. Why doesn't anyone use normal Linux anymore?" |
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| 23:22.38 | GhostlyDeath | It's built for Windows XP! |
| 23:22.40 | Kevin` | Pobega indeed, use slackware :) |
| 23:22.44 | Pobega | I laughed in his face, sadly. |
| 23:22.51 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: The root console scares people |
| 23:23.02 | Vasistha | WrecknRoll: it sounds like you are not going to be "adding any random features" yourself by editing and compiling the sources. You should ask the poc-http people! Maybe there's a FAQ on their website? |
| 23:23.03 | Kevin` | (slackware is fork of original linux distro, which no longer really exists) |
| 23:23.06 | GhostlyDeath | When I see the root console I scream "aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!! NOOOOO!" |
| 23:23.08 | Deepa | I find a luser console more intimidating |
| 23:23.16 | Pobega | I love the console. Main reason I'll never touch Windows again. |
| 23:23.25 | GhostlyDeath | Doesn't the console use DOS comands kinda? |
| 23:23.26 | Pobega | And no, he meant like, why doesn't anyone use "Linux", as in the kernel. |
| 23:23.30 | Deepa | But then again, I upgraded to X11 2 weeks ago |
| 23:23.34 | WrecknRoll | Vasistha - fair enough, thank you |
| 23:23.35 | GhostlyDeath | Under Linux I have no clue how to copy files |
| 23:23.39 | Pobega | DOS commands suck, and for the most part they aren't universal. |
| 23:23.40 | GhostlyDeath | so that's why I use GNOME |
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| 23:23.46 | centrx | DOS is really bad |
| 23:23.47 | jelly-home | Pobega: I like the Cygwin shortcut on my XP desktop |
| 23:23.51 | GhostlyDeath | copy and xcopy are easy and logical |
| 23:23.52 | Vasistha | WrecknRoll: good luck finding your features |
| 23:23.57 | GhostlyDeath | doesn't linux use dd or cc? |
| 23:23.57 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath actually, dos uses bastardised linux commands really, with less features |
| 23:24.01 | Pobega | Like, if I wanted to run Python, I have to go into the Python directory (I think C:\Python, but it's been too long) |
| 23:24.04 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath remember which came first :) |
| 23:24.05 | mfrisch | DOS? windows doesn't even use DOS |
| 23:24.18 | GhostlyDeath | 9x does! |
| 23:24.22 | GhostlyDeath | That's why I love it |
| 23:24.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to mount a bin/cue image? |
| 23:24.28 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath cc is the c compiler, the copy command is cp |
| 23:24.37 | arckane | what's the defau |
| 23:24.39 | arckane | whoops |
| 23:24.40 | Pobega | Was XP the first version to not actually use DOS? |
| 23:24.46 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 23:24.53 | GhostlyDeath | Windows for Workgroups 3.1 |
| 23:24.55 | arckane | what's the best fonts to install ? |
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| 23:25.03 | GhostlyDeath | or NT 3.1 or 4 |
| 23:25.03 | Vasistha | Pobega: you *can* modify your path in windows :P That's one thing it's capable of ... although I think it has an absurdly low limit on path length |
| 23:25.06 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe there's a special driver made for doing that and getting a raw device, but you could convert it to iso and mount that way |
| 23:25.11 | jelly-home | Pobega: I only have separate /var to make sure my web cache doesn't fill up the normal partition |
| 23:25.24 | Pobega | Man, one time I got pissed with a partition filling up. |
| 23:25.30 | Pobega | My ~/.xsession-errors file was 36G! |
| 23:25.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: I've got bad experiences with converting image formats |
| 23:25.35 | Vasistha | arckane: bitstream, but you may already have them |
| 23:25.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Usually they end up b0rked |
| 23:25.54 | GhostlyDeath | I once had a worm in windows that kept creating 1KB files one at a time at a really fast rate |
| 23:25.58 | arckane | just doing a base install, it can't find fixed font |
| 23:26.07 | GhostlyDeath | I ran out of space |
| 23:26.10 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:26.20 | Pobega | Windows is to prone to worms and malware. |
| 23:26.26 | GhostlyDeath | so is Linux |
| 23:26.28 | Pobega | Needs more root. |
| 23:26.33 | GhostlyDeath | Needs more OS/2 |
| 23:26.35 | Pobega | Not if you don't run as root. |
| 23:26.39 | Vasistha | s/prone to/invites/ |
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| 23:26.57 | Kevin` | linux isn't very prone to malware as a desktop os |
| 23:26.59 | GhostlyDeath | So if I don't run as root I';ll get worms |
| 23:27.07 | GhostlyDeath | Linux is a desktop OS |
| 23:27.12 | Pobega | Well |
| 23:27.21 | Pobega | So long as you only run as a normal user you should be fine. |
| 23:27.21 | GhostlyDeath | My LCD is too bright |
| 23:27.31 | GhostlyDeath | It's blinding me |
| 23:27.33 | sprink_ | Linux isn't a Desktop os |
| 23:27.34 | GhostlyDeath | How do I lower it |
| 23:27.36 | sprink_ | It's a kernel ;) |
| 23:27.41 | Pobega | Worst thing that can happen is your home folder blowing up. |
| 23:27.41 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 23:27.44 | Kevin` | the only things that really target linux are bots looking for vulnerable server programs |
| 23:27.46 | GhostlyDeath | Linux is machine language |
| 23:27.48 | Pobega | Debian/GNU/Linux is a great desktop OS :) |
| 23:27.48 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you could even set up LVM 9if you trust it) and only give / and /home some conservative space, leaving the rest unused |
| 23:27.48 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: if you're on a laptop, there's probably an 'Fn' key |
| 23:27.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Thanks |
| 23:28.01 | sprink_ | Pobega: agreed |
| 23:28.03 | GhostlyDeath | It does nothing! |
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| 23:28.36 | Pobega | My "Fn" key isn't even recognized. Too lazy to fix it, though. |
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| 23:28.42 | jariep1_ | hi all |
| 23:28.46 | GhostlyDeath | FN + Up arrow (Light Brightness Up) does nothing |
| 23:28.50 | Pobega | Hello jariep1_ |
| 23:28.56 | jariep1_ | anybody know how to convert xml to rdf |
| 23:28.56 | Kevin` | probably controlled from software.. not sure how you would do that, since mine is hardware on my laptop |
| 23:28.59 | GhostlyDeath | There is FN + F8 (CHange Bright/Dark) and that works |
| 23:29.04 | GhostlyDeath | But I like it in the middle |
| 23:29.26 | GhostlyDeath | Ok, if the Light/Dark works shouldn't the Single Up/DOwn work too? |
| 23:29.40 | phorce1 | arckane: try apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 23:29.43 | GhostlyDeath | There a way to not eat the key and give it to the BIOS? |
| 23:29.57 | arckane | thanx phorce1 |
| 23:29.58 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath probably because the designers wanted a pretty OSD in windows and opted to have it not do anything except send a keycode |
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| 23:30.32 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`, when I press the keys it shows a garbled white box |
| 23:30.37 | arckane | phorce1, already installed :( |
| 23:30.40 | Kevin` | THAT is interesting |
| 23:30.44 | GhostlyDeath | So... |
| 23:30.45 | Kevin` | so it's actually doing something |
| 23:30.58 | GhostlyDeath | It's BIOS controlled but works under the BIOS and windows |
| 23:31.10 | GhostlyDeath | I think Windows sends it to the BIOS while Linux throws it out |
| 23:31.23 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: there is osd for linux. If you need it |
| 23:31.34 | GhostlyDeath | For my laptop? |
| 23:31.44 | Kevin` | mfrisch if you know of a program to control lcd brightness just say so :) |
| 23:31.51 | phorce1 | arckane: hmmm I was pretty certain that's what fixed it when my initial X install failed with "can't find font 'fixed'" |
| 23:31.53 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: I think you need to google for Linux, ACPI, LCD light and your laptop model ;-) |
| 23:32.34 | GhostlyDeath | I got a Gatewat MX6960, should I do MX6xxx series? |
| 23:32.40 | mfrisch | Kevin`: no its a osd library to control the display..some laptops have special packages though..like thinkpads for example |
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| 23:33.11 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: what is your laptop? |
| 23:33.12 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: eh, use common sense |
| 23:33.17 | arckane | phorce1, well, not solved mine - looks like Internet search time :) |
| 23:33.27 | GhostlyDeath | mfrisch: It is a Gateway MX6960 |
| 23:33.29 | jelly-home | !fixed |
| 23:33.29 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 23:33.45 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath google both, of course |
| 23:33.59 | Kevin` | google won't mind :) |
| 23:34.03 | jelly-home | phorce1: seen that? ^^ |
| 23:34.22 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: probally not. I though you said like fn-f8 did something did it ? |
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| 23:34.37 | GhostlyDeath | http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/Oasis/1014068Rnv.shtml |
| 23:34.52 | lepine_h | I need some guidance ... i think i could crash a live system |
| 23:34.53 | GhostlyDeath | mfrisch: yeah, It goes from Darkest to brightest |
| 23:35.11 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I didn't know there was a factiod for it |
| 23:35.15 | lepine_h | i have a debian sarge machine running a LAMP stack installed from sarge-backports |
| 23:35.20 | lepine_h | since i installed ... |
| 23:35.49 | phorce1 | jelly-home: Arrggg, it's xfonts-base, not xclients-base |
| 23:35.51 | lepine_h | i've never had upgrades to do, or i dont remember doing any ( if i did, it was once or twice ) ... i installed in the end of jan. |
| 23:35.57 | GhostlyDeath | mfrisch: I think I found the problem |
| 23:36.02 | jelly-home | phorce1: you can search the factoid base with /msg dpkg listkeys xxxx and /msg dpkg listvalues xxxx |
| 23:36.09 | GhostlyDeath | Is there any way to forward keys to the BIOS? |
| 23:36.10 | lepine_h | i just thought of doing apt-get -s -t sarge-backports upgrade |
| 23:36.19 | concept10 | its so funny to me how all of these people are wasting time telling people _not_ to buy Windows Vista |
| 23:36.21 | lepine_h | and i get a HUGE list of apps to upgrade |
| 23:36.48 | wols | lepine_h: bad thing to do |
| 23:36.55 | GhostlyDeath | Because if the LCD bright. +/- works in the BIOS means that it is NOT window only |
| 23:37.00 | wols | if you want to do something like that, go to etch |
| 23:37.02 | jelly-home | concept10: you're making me want to buy it and see what the fuss is about! It's reverse psychology! |
| 23:37.12 | lepine_h | is that list of only apps that i installed from backports? or might that include other things that i installed from the stable repository as well ,and upgrading might crash my machine? |
| 23:37.33 | mfrisch | concept10: did you hear about there sales! they can only give it away |
| 23:37.35 | baloo | concept10: Why spend $259.95 on something Debian does better for free? |
| 23:37.42 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: this is not really a Debian issue, maybe try #hardware |
| 23:37.46 | concept10 | jelly-home, yeah, that seems like that is whats happening |
| 23:37.48 | lepine_h | so basically, there have been NO updates done in sarge since january? |
| 23:37.57 | lepine_h | and not even in backports? |
| 23:38.18 | wols | lepine_h: the only updates sarge ever gets are security updates |
| 23:38.29 | GhostlyDeath | jelly-home: BIOS is Software! |
| 23:38.34 | lepine_h | oh |
| 23:38.41 | jelly-home | lepine_h: there have been. Check your mirror. Make sure you have appropriate security.d.o line in sources.list. |
| 23:39.02 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: is your bios in Debian? |
| 23:39.05 | lepine_h | http://pastebin.ca/418983 |
| 23:39.06 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 23:39.07 | phorce1 | lepine_h: "stable" means unchanging. (except security fixes) |
| 23:39.11 | wols | lepine_h: and backports is not sarge or stable |
| 23:39.12 | GhostlyDeath | It's...................... Pheonix |
| 23:39.23 | GhostlyDeath | a.k.a. Award |
| 23:39.27 | GhostlyDeath | for some strange reason |
| 23:39.33 | lepine_h | the post above is the list of software that im prompted to upgrade ... |
| 23:39.50 | lepine_h | as there is so much, do you think it's save? |
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| 23:40.04 | lepine_h | *safe |
| 23:40.21 | phorce1 | lepine_h: that's backports. People taking stuff from Etch and rebuilding it to work in Sarge. |
| 23:40.29 | lepine_h | phorce1: , i know |
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| 23:40.38 | phorce1 | lepine_h: just upgrade to Etch |
| 23:40.51 | lepine_h | i can't really ... it's a machine over at the planet |
| 23:41.01 | jelly-home | lepine_h: you shouldn't use backports indiscriminately. Have you set up pinning like their doc says to? |
| 23:41.08 | lepine_h | no i have not ... |
| 23:41.27 | phorce1 | lepine_h: the stay Sarge and forget backports |
| 23:41.30 | lepine_h | at install time ... i've explicitly mentionned backports for a few things |
| 23:41.34 | phorce1 | s/the/then |
| 23:41.35 | lepine_h | phorce1 i cannot |
| 23:41.41 | lepine_h | i need php5 |
| 23:41.49 | lepine_h | and mysql 5 i like |
| 23:41.59 | Pobega | lepine_h: The best way to get more up to date packages in Sarge is to pin from Etch. At this point in time though, I'd advise updating to Etch anyway. |
| 23:42.01 | jelly-home | lepine_h: you can see which repository is considered for upgrading a package using apt-cache policy package-name |
| 23:42.24 | GhostlyDeath | There a linux driver for this: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/MystiqueC/QND1MIYZZZ05B1/QND1MIYZZZ05B1sp2.shtml? |
| 23:42.31 | Pobega | lepine_h: Unless you REALLY can't risk any breakage in an update. Then just apt-pin whatever packages you need. |
| 23:42.41 | jelly-home | Pobega: uh, using etch would pull in LOTS more packages than backports would have |
| 23:42.45 | phorce1 | lepine_h: Why can't you upgrade to Etch. I do remote dis-upgrades on all my machines. |
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| 23:42.57 | lepine_h | phorce1: , i didn't think that was possible |
| 23:43.11 | Pobega | jelly-home: Yeah, but it would be the cleanest thing o do, especially since Etch will be stable within the month. |
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| 23:43.15 | jelly-home | phorce1: how many servers do you admin? |
| 23:43.23 | Pobega | lepine_h: Of course it is. I've done it on dedis through SSH :) |
| 23:43.34 | lepine_h | cool :) |
| 23:43.41 | phorce1 | I've only broken one that required hands-on fixing and that was a Sparc Ultra-1 that didn't like moving to a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:43.42 | DavidCraft | is there any kind of check disk utility |
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| 23:44.04 | Pobega | DavidCraft: Check disk for what? Space, errors, what? |
| 23:44.08 | phorce1 | jelly-home: 7 of my own and another 7 for work |
| 23:44.28 | lepine_h | jelly-home: : the command you suggested: apt-cache policy PKG ... |
| 23:44.33 | jelly-home | phorce1: and you had no breakage of the apps themselves? lucky guy. |
| 23:44.33 | Pobega | Wow, 7 at home? I could never do that. |
| 23:44.48 | phorce1 | jelly-home: wait -- 4 for work. The DNS guy stuck RH on 3 of he boxes before I could get to them. |
| 23:44.50 | lepine_h | says: installed : Version X ... Candidate: Version X ... |
| 23:45.10 | lepine_h | version table : Version Y - backports |
| 23:45.11 | Pobega | lepine_h: policy just shows if it's installed, and if so what version is installed. |
| 23:45.16 | DavidCraft | I cant get a raid to finish building so I want to check the hard drives for possible causses |
| 23:45.20 | lepine_h | version X : var/lib/gpkg |
| 23:45.20 | Pobega | What are you looking to find about the packages? |
| 23:45.28 | phorce1 | Pobega: most of them sit here at the office until I get a decent rack set up at home. |
| 23:45.32 | lepine_h | i assume that means that i have a version installed ... |
| 23:45.43 | jelly-home | lepine_h: yup. it also says which distro / repository is considered to be a candidate |
| 23:45.49 | lepine_h | ok ... |
| 23:45.58 | Pobega | phorce1: I'll never have more than one personal PC, ever. I spend to much time working on and fixing this one, ESPECIALLY since it is a laptop. |
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| 23:46.10 | lepine_h | but because i didn't pin anything ... it means that the upgrades on backports were never considered |
| 23:46.21 | jelly-home | lepine_h: if the candidate is sarge (stable) then all is right. |
| 23:46.24 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I don't think I've ever had any app breakage on ANY dist-upgrade since moving macines from potato to woody |
| 23:47.03 | lepine_h | http://pastebin.ca/419004 |
| 23:47.14 | jelly-home | phorce1: well, our PHP stuff broke in funny ways. |
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| 23:47.18 | phorce1 | Pobega: My laptop is actually my WinXP machine. It has some GPS mapping applications that I use when travelling to car shows |
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| 23:47.23 | lepine_h | my candidate is the version i have already installed |
| 23:47.37 | DavidCraft | is there any kind of check disk utility for disk errors? |
| 23:47.47 | Pobega | phorce1: Aren't there GPS capable programs for Debian? I could've sword I read something about them on debian-user the other day... |
| 23:48.49 | phorce1 | Pobega: I haven't looked yet because Linux on Laptops is frequently troublesome. I hardly ever use the laptop anyway so I just leave it alone. |
| 23:49.39 | phorce1 | DavidCraft: fsck |
| 23:49.48 | lepine_h | jelly-home, would you mind glimpsing at http://pastebin.ca/419010 ... it's my sources.list ... am i missing anythign for the securoty updates? |
| 23:49.52 | DavidCraft | thx |
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| 23:50.20 | Pobega | phorce1: It's come a far way lately. Besides some problems with wireless (Fixed by editing /etc/network/interfaces) I have no trouble at all. |
| 23:50.39 | jelly-home | lepine_h: looks about right |
| 23:50.39 | Pobega | Although I AM using a System76 laptop, so that might be making things a little bit easier (Ubuntu capable, almost out of the box) |
| 23:50.45 | lepine_h | ok, good |
| 23:51.02 | Pobega | (I put Etch on it almost directly after I bought it though) |
| 23:51.12 | lepine_h | so i only have a pinning problem ... which makes apt-get only upgrade the packages from the stable repository |
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| 23:52.03 | jelly-home | lepine_h: well, php5, mysql 5, and probably apache2 are from backports, that's about half the packages |
| 23:52.04 | GhostlyDeath | haha, I can eject CDs without unmounting them |
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| 23:52.10 | GhostlyDeath | I press the button and they just open |
| 23:52.12 | jelly-home | lepine_h: you got in upgrade list |
| 23:52.18 | lepine_h | indeed |
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| 23:53.04 | torrrr | does anyone know how to set default mail accouts for evolution? (ie default mail server etc) |
| 23:53.46 | jelly-home | lepine_h: the rest look vaguely familiar... i don't run exim on sarge machines, and don't remember info and bash being updated lately |
| 23:53.58 | lepine_h | ok, good then |
| 23:54.14 | lepine_h | so i can upgrade and have a chance it doesn't all tumble down |
| 23:54.33 | jelly-home | lepine_h: if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces! |
| 23:54.39 | lepine_h | hurray! |
| 23:54.44 | jindal | hey guys am trying to enable SSL for apache 2.0.52 by generating server.key server.crt ... am able to do a https://localhost/ from the machine itself but not remotely.. any help? |
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| 23:54.51 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: CDs don't need to be unmounted, they aren't filesystems. They're read only. |
| 23:55.10 | Kevin` | cds ARE filesystems, and you should unmount them when possible |
| 23:55.10 | phorce1 | Pobega: I may buy another drive to stick in it and test etch that way |
| 23:55.13 | Pobega | Well, they ARE filesystems technically, but not like a thumbdrive or external. |
| 23:55.19 | jelly-home | Pobega: Shirley, you jest |
| 23:55.43 | Pobega | I didn't mean like that, I meant that they're very different from thumbdrives and externals, i.e. rewritable media. |
| 23:55.46 | Kevin` | obviously it won't damage the cd filesystem to not unmount it, but forcing it out could mess up some programs |
| 23:55.56 | jelly-home | kernel will get confused if you change the cd without umounting. |
| 23:56.12 | Kevin` | it's not really that different Pobega, just designed to be read only :) |
| 23:56.19 | \amethyst | If you can eject the mounted CD, chances are it's unmounting before ejecting |
| 23:56.21 | Kevin` | you could put ext2 on a cd if you wante |
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| 23:56.30 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 23:56.39 | GhostlyDeath | UFS > ext2 for CDs |
| 23:56.42 | Pobega | Kevin`: You could put ext2 on a CD? Wow, I didn't know that. I need to mess around with my stuff more. |
| 23:57.00 | Kevin` | Pobega obviously it would be readonly, but you could do it :) |
| 23:57.08 | phorce1 | GhostlyDeath: have you checked to see if they are actually still mounted after you eject? If using auto-mount it may be umounting when you hit the button. |
| 23:57.16 | jelly-home | \amethyst: except there's a lot of possibilities when the tray is unlocked but the cd is still mounted :-| |
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| 23:57.19 | GhostlyDeath | it unmounts when I eject it |
| 23:57.24 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 23:57.24 | Pobega | Kevin`: Well of course, hardware restrictions still count. |
| 23:57.26 | GhostlyDeath | It says "no media" |
| 23:57.29 | xingu | DavidCraft: smartctl -t offline or long might be worth a look at too. |
| 23:57.42 | GhostlyDeath | The CD does not appear on my desktop |
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| 23:58.34 | phorce1 | GhostlyDeath: Yep -- if manually mounting (before the advent of auto-mount) the eject button would be disabled while media was mounted. Now it's used to call the umount process. |
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