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| 00:00.22 | jelly-home | phorce1: which services are used for that automounting business? |
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| 00:01.15 | xingu | jelly-home: hal |
| 00:01.39 | phorce1 | jelly-home: not a clue. It's one of those things that "just worked" when I did a clean install of etch on my home machine. Surprised me when I stuck in a CD and went to my xterm to mount it |
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| 00:02.09 | Pobega | I believe it's HAL, xingu is right. |
| 00:02.21 | GhostlyDeath | HAL needs a vacation |
| 00:02.32 | Pobega | Why do you say that? |
| 00:02.33 | jelly-home | xingu: I have hal, what do I do about finding out why does it not work that way? |
| 00:02.52 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: Know what HAL does? |
| 00:02.58 | GhostlyDeath | tons of PCs |
| 00:03.20 | phorce1 | jelly-home: really nice for thumb drives and the ext3 formatted laptop drive that I have hooked to a IDE<-->USB adapter. I use that ext3 drive to move things to the WinBox I have at work. |
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| 00:03.36 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: http://wiki.debian.org/hal?highlight=%28hal%29 |
| 00:04.17 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: not litereally |
| 00:04.31 | GhostlyDeath | I'm saying "Know how much HAL does for you and you give it no break!?" |
| 00:04.57 | phorce1 | jelly-home: you running X at all? |
| 00:05.14 | Pobega | Oh, haha. I didn't sense the rehtoric of the question. |
| 00:05.14 | jelly-home | It doesn't do much for me. It doesn't mount my CDs, it doesn't make my mp3 player available to Amarok. |
| 00:05.23 | Pobega | rhetoricness? Never used the word in that sense. |
| 00:05.50 | Pobega | HAL is just like, uh, a simpler language for programs to use mountable media and devices. |
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| 00:05.55 | Pobega | HAL doesn't actually auto mount stuff. |
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| 00:06.00 | Pobega | gnome-volume-manager does |
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| 00:06.10 | Pobega | If you use GNOME, that is. |
| 00:06.11 | phorce1 | I just did a quick grep through my 'dpkg -l' listing and I think it's "gnome-volume-manager" that's doing my automounting |
| 00:06.12 | jelly-home | Uhh... Gnome. |
| 00:06.17 | xingu | jelly-home: what does hal-device say |
| 00:06.34 | Pobega | Although I know there are other programs that can be used to auto mount stuff. |
| 00:06.43 | phorce1 | yeah, what Pobega said |
| 00:06.48 | xingu | jelly-home: and yes, if you're not down with the gnome love, delete this convesation; you need to revert to automount or similar. |
| 00:06.49 | sprink_ | like /etc/fstab ? |
| 00:07.06 | Pobega | /etc/fstab works well, but not for when you're plugging media in and out of your computer. |
| 00:07.25 | jelly-home | xingu: that makes more sense. I use XFCE currently. |
| 00:07.31 | sprink_ | Pobega: it works fine for my usb drives |
| 00:07.40 | Pobega | Well, at boot yeah. |
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| 00:07.43 | xingu | jelly-home: for instance here hal-device clearly shows that my cdrom device has properties, one of which is automount, and it's enabled |
| 00:07.55 | Pobega | umount and remove the drive, then plug it back in. It won't auto mount. |
| 00:07.59 | Pobega | At least it doesn't for me. |
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| 00:08.22 | sprink_ | hmm I don't have it with me but I thought it did |
| 00:08.22 | jelly-home | xingu: storage.automount_enabled_hint = true (bool) |
| 00:08.31 | Pobega | sprink_: Do you use GNOME? |
| 00:08.31 | xingu | jelly-home: that's the one |
| 00:08.35 | sprink_ | Pobega: no |
| 00:08.40 | jelly-home | xingu: it's there. ;-) |
| 00:08.44 | Pobega | sprink_: KDE? Xfce? |
| 00:08.48 | sprink_ | Pobega: fluxbox |
| 00:08.59 | Pobega | sprink_: Then nevermind, throws that theory down the train. |
| 00:09.08 | sprink_ | ;) |
| 00:09.15 | xingu | jelly-home: you could either truss hald or you could dbus-monitor the events it will raise |
| 00:09.22 | phorce1 | whoa! crap! "hal-device" spits out a *bit* of text, no? |
| 00:09.33 | xingu | jelly-home: what may be happening for you is that hald is generatig dbus events but in the xfce case nobody's home/listening |
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| 00:09.59 | xingu | jelly-home: I don't know, it's all a twisty little maze of interlocking rmi no two exits exactly alike |
| 00:10.14 | jelly-home | xingu: great, now we only need a XXXX-volume-manager for each WM and DE :-) |
| 00:10.39 | Pobega | mountapp for Window Maker :) |
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| 00:10.51 | kingsley | Unlike apt-get, which utility has an option to also install suggested and/or recommended packages? |
| 00:10.52 | Pobega | One click mounting, beats automounting in my opinion. |
| 00:11.19 | xingu | jelly-home: it sort of makes sense in its own special crack smoking way, hald interfaces with udev for device joined/gone and monitors using dnotify/inotify as well as monitors tray insert/eject status storage ioctls |
| 00:11.32 | phorce1 | jelly-home: try an 'apt-get -u install gnome-volume-manager' and see how much extra crap it wants to add. Some of the gnome utilities are very flexible where they work without much extra cruft. |
| 00:11.39 | GhostlyDeath | How do I extract files from a tar.gz into /etc ? |
| 00:11.39 | xingu | jelly-home: what it does with it is generate dbus events; then, it's up to your DE to deal with the event. |
| 00:12.10 | Pobega | tar xvf foo.tar.gz /etc |
| 00:12.13 | jelly-home | xingu: except there's no event shown with dbus-monitor when I insert a CD. |
| 00:12.14 | phorce1 | GhostlyDeath: that sounds dangerous |
| 00:12.24 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 00:12.33 | Vasistha | well, I've filed a bug now, but I may as well ask again -- using etch, if I direct iceweasel to a site with (newer) swf content, it actually *hangs* iceweasel. artofliving.org is one such site. Can anyone else see this? (you might want to make sure you don't have anything important open in iceweasel!) |
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| 00:12.38 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Why you would want to do that is beyond me though. |
| 00:12.40 | xingu | jelly-home: when you stop and think about it the problem space is hard because it's multidimensional; you can't just assume that path access is the event you're snooping like automount does because that doesn't deal with removable block devices or power saving for that matter |
| 00:12.46 | Pobega | Also, for future references, use man. |
| 00:12.50 | xingu | jelly-home: is dbus running? |
| 00:13.09 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: does not work? |
| 00:13.30 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: It doesn't work? Do you have the permissions to extract into /etc? |
| 00:13.32 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: why are you extracting archives to /etc ?? The /etc directory is for system-wide configuration files. |
| 00:13.42 | GhostlyDeath | The tar.gz has a folder in it |
| 00:13.49 | jelly-home | xingu: not one but two /usr/bin/dbus-daemons, one under my user, one under... er... uid #111 (not in /etc/passwd)? |
| 00:13.51 | GhostlyDeath | Changing timiidirt patches |
| 00:14.01 | GhostlyDeath | timidity* |
| 00:14.17 | Pobega | Then you can't do it directly, just extra to the cwd and copy the files using wildcards. |
| 00:14.24 | xingu | jelly-home: should probably be "messagebus" or it is here on sid |
| 00:14.24 | GhostlyDeath | I gotta log in as root and use GNOMe to do a simple drag and drop |
| 00:14.29 | Pobega | tar xvf foo.tar.gz; cd foo/; cp * /etc |
| 00:14.31 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: don't put the patches themselves there |
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| 00:15.31 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: use something like /usr/share/midi/your-patchset |
| 00:15.34 | frankr | Hey guys, I've gotta install Windows on a 10gb part - If I boot with a netinst CD and chroot to my linux install and run grub-install hda or whatever it is that'll auto detect new OSes and stuff right? |
| 00:15.43 | frankr | like will I have to add windows manually into my menu.lst file |
| 00:15.46 | GhostlyDeath | I don't have permission to write there |
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| 00:16.01 | Pobega | Then do it as root? That is why we have a root account. |
| 00:16.24 | xingu | jelly-home: just trying to bang together a test rig with dbus-monitor here, be a few. |
| 00:16.30 | GhostlyDeath | How do you start GNOME as root? |
| 00:16.33 | GhostlyDeath | and X? |
| 00:16.40 | Pobega | Just gksu nautilus |
| 00:16.46 | jelly-home | xingu: my "ps -fe|grep bus" http://paste.debian.net/24769 |
| 00:16.47 | xingu | jelly-home: dbus-monitor --system |
| 00:16.49 | Pobega | gksu is for running graphical applications as root. |
| 00:17.01 | Pobega | Try to avoid completely logging in as root. |
| 00:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | That's whta I'm trying to do |
| 00:17.16 | xingu | jelly-home: definitely generates events here with gnome/metacity/beryl |
| 00:17.27 | jelly-home | ah, --system show stuff. |
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| 00:17.39 | GhostlyDeath | gsku: command not found =/ |
| 00:17.54 | Pobega | apt-get install gksu |
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| 00:18.18 | GhostlyDeath | Couldn't find package |
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| 00:18.29 | Pobega | What release are you running? |
| 00:18.32 | GhostlyDeath | etch |
| 00:18.44 | Pobega | pobega@ackbar /home/pobega > apt-cache search gksu |
| 00:18.47 | Pobega | gksu - graphical frontend to su |
| 00:18.54 | Pobega | Sorry for the copy/pasteish. |
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| 00:19.47 | jelly-home | xingu: though, it shows media becoming unavailable only, but that's at least something. string "storage.removable.media_available" boolean false boolean false ... both on eject and after tray-close with some UDF media inside |
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| 00:20.05 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: another package that is useful for this is 'sux'. If you open a gnome terminal, and then sux root, then you can run apps as root from that terminal |
| 00:20.07 | xingu | jelly-home: so probably the missing link is xfce<->dbus listener and mounter; of course you could have a daemon that just worried about mount/unmount and was a dbus event subscriber but I think you can appreciate why the gnome boyos didn't write one and also why it's advantageous for the DE to know about what's going on too |
| 00:20.08 | jelly-home | xingu: ok, now I only have to find something to listen to those events |
| 00:21.32 | xingu | obviously you need a fairly intimate understanding of what DE is in use if your goal is to put pretty icons on the root window and also do different things for different media types inserted into the same device |
| 00:21.45 | xingu | when I stick in a blank cdr for instance it fires up a burning program. :) |
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| 00:22.06 | Pobega | Don't you find that annoying xingu? |
| 00:22.13 | jelly-home | wow, that's usable... like windows 98, or maybe even xp! :-) |
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| 00:23.13 | xingu | yeah yeah; I'm no zealot, I'm fascinated as far as undertanding it goes but if you're looking for someone to convince you it's the one true religion you'll die unhappy I'm afraid. :) |
| 00:23.20 | xingu | so anyway, that's the mechanics |
| 00:23.48 | xingu | it doesn't annoy me, but then again few things do; you pull it apart, put it back together, then get on with life |
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| 00:25.30 | Pobega | I guess maybe I'm just picky when it comes to programs automatically starting. |
| 00:26.02 | jelly-home | don't put blank cds in for no reason, then? |
| 00:26.12 | jelly-home | O;-) |
| 00:26.57 | RodolfoRG | maybe you could do like win98.... keep Shift pressed to cancel automatic launch :) |
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| 00:27.49 | Pobega | Yeah, but the question is where does it stop. That's the main reason I switched from GNOME to Window Maker, everytime I did something GNOME would autostart an application, for example a blank CD was nautilus-burner, music CD was xmms, and data CD was nautils at /mnt/cdrom. It got annoying, but like I said, I have a very low tolerance for annoying. |
| 00:28.19 | Pobega | Well, another big reason was that I'm a memory whore. |
| 00:28.29 | jelly-home | Pobega: could you not have told it to fire up nothing? |
| 00:28.33 | xingu | Pobega: preferences->removable devices and media |
| 00:28.39 | jelly-home | or your preferred app |
| 00:28.47 | concept10 | Pobega, you can change all of that! |
| 00:28.48 | Pobega | Well, could've done that, but I moved for other reasons. Just saying ;D |
| 00:28.52 | xingu | but yeah, it does evolve; so it's whackamole in slow motion |
| 00:29.00 | xingu | and if memory is tight, it can bruise |
| 00:29.36 | Pobega | concept10: Most things still can't be changed, like a lot of GNOME's autostarted daemons. |
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| 00:29.55 | sprink_ | Pobega: I used to be a window maker user too |
| 00:30.04 | sprink_ | Pobega: you should try fluxbox if you haven't |
| 00:30.13 | Pobega | I have more than enough memory to happily run GNOME/KDE, but like I said I'm a memory whore; Hard drive space, RAM and CPU usage lost me in the end. |
| 00:30.16 | concept10 | Pobega, like what? (im curious) |
| 00:30.19 | Deepa | Try CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE, I prefer using not X :) |
| 00:30.24 | jelly-home | I used Afterstep before this one and switched to the first thing that had desktops arranged in a 2d grid and not just a row (like most other wm-s do) |
| 00:30.28 | xingu | I'm not sure I like the complexity of so many tiers of rmi - it smells fragile and it *really* smells like at least a disclosure and probably an eventual intrustion problem. |
| 00:30.31 | Pobega | sprink_: I have, but I like how WMaker handles windows a lot better. |
| 00:30.45 | Pobega | sprink_: And I've gotten quite good at customizing Wmaker themes ;D |
| 00:30.56 | concept10 | Pobega, I have a almost custom GNOME install going on over here. |
| 00:30.58 | sprink_ | Pobega: fluxbox can do everything WMaker can and more ;) |
| 00:31.20 | Pobega | concept10: I can't think of too many off of the bat, but gnome-volume-manager would be one. I searched forever trying to get it to not autostart, and it always did. I went from GNOME to Xfce to WMaker. |
| 00:31.28 | rBo3Db | i have just compiled fluxbox, how do i add a gdm entry? |
| 00:31.36 | sprink_ | Pobega: development of WMaker is practically stopped years ago. Fluxbox just had a release like a week ago. |
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| 00:31.52 | concept10 | I dont like some of the GNOME stuff (well most of it) but I like GTK so I run GDM with XFCE's Thunar |
| 00:31.53 | Pobega | sprink_: One thing it can't do; House loads of sexy dockapps, and have awesome squares for launching apps :D |
| 00:32.06 | sprink_ | Pobega: Fluxbox can do dockapps now ;) |
| 00:32.15 | concept10 | Pobega, but you can disable all things you dont like |
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| 00:32.36 | Pobega | concept10: I never found out how to stop gnome-volume-manager. |
| 00:32.43 | Pobega | sprink_: Does it handle them as well as Window Maker? |
| 00:32.47 | concept10 | you stop it from sessions |
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| 00:32.48 | sprink_ | Pobega: you don't need quick launch icons in fluxbox, because you can make keyboard shortcuts to execute any programs to want |
| 00:32.52 | sprink_ | Pobega: yup |
| 00:33.11 | Pobega | sprink_: I already have quick launch hotkeys, so it doesn't bother me too much. |
| 00:33.25 | Pobega | I am just a fan of wmaker's squareness, I guess. |
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| 00:33.32 | Pobega | I tried Fluxbox, and I couldn't work with it. |
| 00:33.42 | jelly-home | sprink_: if I wanted keyboard shortcuts for each command, I'd still be using a Sinclair Spectrum |
| 00:33.57 | RodolfoRG | with gnome can I organize my frames tiled vertically? |
| 00:34.15 | sprink_ | jelly-home: I said it as a replacement for clickable icons |
| 00:34.40 | sprink_ | using the mouse is very inefficient |
| 00:34.54 | rBo3Db | i have just compiled fluxbox, how do i add a gdm entry? fluxbox faq wasn't helpful. |
| 00:34.59 | jelly-home | sprink_: there's something to be said about the beauty of "awesome squares" :-) |
| 00:35.02 | Pobega | sprink_: I hate using the mouse, I have hotkeys for everything. |
| 00:35.17 | sprink_ | yeah. I used to like the squares too hehe |
| 00:35.24 | jelly-home | I don't have a mouse. |
| 00:35.26 | Pobega | sprink_: I'd switch to Ion, but I still need my system tray apps for monitoring my battery and wireless network. |
| 00:35.32 | rBo3Db | ...they suggested adding a /etc/gdm/Session/fluxbox file |
| 00:35.43 | Pobega | Although if I ever put Debian on my desktop I'll definitely try Ion/Ratpoison again. |
| 00:35.44 | jelly-home | the trackpoint, however, is a nice replacement |
| 00:35.49 | sprink_ | it was just a suggestion. I know how hard it is to get over the square icons in Wmaker |
| 00:35.52 | sprink_ | ;) |
| 00:36.09 | Pobega | sprink_: I'll give Fluxbox another try someday, but for now I'm pretty happy where I am with wmaker. |
| 00:36.12 | MarcN | I've just rebooted a debian box and confused about the networking -- linksys box handing out ip addresses and a port 22 redirection to 192.168.1.225, the debian box used to be 192.168.1.225, but on reboot ifconfig says 169.254.107.129. What is strange is I can still ssh to it using the old IP address and port redir from the outside still works too. How is this possible?! |
| 00:36.35 | Pobega | The only thing I liked about Fluxbox is how it comes with a system tray by default, which made using my wireless and monitoring my battery power easy "out of the box". |
| 00:36.37 | jelly-home | rBo3Db: umm... what was wrong with fluxbox from the distro? Maybe you can steal the setup from there. |
| 00:36.58 | sprink_ | Pobega: like I said. lots have changed in the past few months |
| 00:37.00 | Pobega | It took me a few days to get wmsystray working. I actually had to get the binary executable from the .deb file and put it in /usr/bin manually. |
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| 00:37.17 | Pobega | wmsystray was dependent on Xfree86 stuff that I couldn't seem to get working alongside Xorg stuff. |
| 00:37.37 | Pobega | Maybe I'll package it for Debian when I get better at this stuff. |
| 00:37.40 | amphi | Pobega: I find gkrellm lurking in the openbox slit quite handy for such |
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| 00:37.48 | xingu | I'm content to use gnome, I've honestly got more productive things to do than to spawn upstream against defacto standards. :) |
| 00:37.51 | rBo3Db | <jelly-home> nothing was wrong,,, i just thought I'd compile from source... |
| 00:38.01 | Pobega | amphi: What does gkrellm do? |
| 00:38.13 | Pobega | xingu: I don't hate GNOME, I just don't personally like it. |
| 00:38.23 | rBo3Db | but i can't figure out how to add an entry to gdm |
| 00:38.28 | amphi | Pobega: monitors all kinds of stuff, and you can write plugins to extend it if required |
| 00:38.34 | xingu | hell, I'm even using gstreamer as my noisemaker |
| 00:38.43 | sprink_ | you know what I like about both KDE and GNOME? They both claim to be Free Software as opposed to OSS |
| 00:38.44 | jelly-home | rBo3Db: WHY? |
| 00:38.45 | Pobega | xingu: In truth, all desktop environments exist because there is a target audience to them. Otherwise it would be pointless to develop it, no? |
| 00:38.46 | sprink_ | ;) |
| 00:39.00 | Deepa | I do a cat /dev/urandom > /dev/... for noisemaking :) |
| 00:39.01 | \amethyst | rBo3Db: you create a file in /etc/gdm/Sessions/ |
| 00:39.27 | \amethyst | rBo3Db: that says something like exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 00:39.32 | amphi | Pobega: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
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| 00:40.04 | Deepa | Hmm I see sparkling dots and none to help me with mailserverproblems, I'm off for coffee |
| 00:40.12 | rBo3Db | <\amethyst> i did follow the fluxbox faq, but the entry was not there after x restarted |
| 00:40.15 | amphi | Pobega: actually, http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm/ ;) |
| 00:40.31 | Pobega | amphi: The first thing I thought when I saw that is how perfectly it would go with Fluxbox ;P |
| 00:40.32 | xingu | Pobega: yep; and diversity is a good thing, I've run the gamut from motif, twm, afterstep, cde, wmaker, to gnome |
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| 00:40.52 | \amethyst | rBo3Db: you might need to make it executable |
| 00:41.00 | jelly-home | xingu: what, no fvwm? |
| 00:41.06 | xingu | Pobega: but I've always pretty much schlepped with whatever was the semi-defacto postinstall default |
| 00:41.15 | xingu | jelly-home: aah yes, I knew I'd forgotten one |
| 00:41.20 | Pobega | xingu: Diversity is awesome. I use a tcsh shell, wdm as a display manager (Most people have never even HEARD of it!), wmaker as a manager, pcmanfm as a file manager (When I'm too lazy to type), among other weird programs :) |
| 00:41.23 | rBo3Db | \amethyst> uh... thanks |
| 00:41.41 | xingu | jelly-home: unfortunately it was still kinda buggy then and I wentback to twm for a bit then afterstep hit... |
| 00:41.51 | Pobega | Everytime I have friends over they call my Debian install weird. Most of my friends are so used to GNOME/Nautilus/Bash. |
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| 00:42.05 | xingu | twm runs like the fricken clappers on modern hardware |
| 00:42.11 | xingu | it fits in a few cachelines. :) |
| 00:42.22 | amphi | Pobega: having in the slit with autohide on works well for me |
| 00:42.27 | jelly-home | I bet fvwm1 is about the same |
| 00:43.06 | jelly-home | hell, even CDE would probably be fast enough :-) |
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| 00:43.23 | xingu | I never did the e thing, and I've still got religion about trolltech and qt so sue me |
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| 00:44.16 | Pobega | While we're talking about programs and diversity |
| 00:44.33 | Pobega | What IRC program is everyone using to connect here? |
| 00:44.45 | xingu | cde works surprisingly well on large scale multiuser; we're running the citrix unix presentation server at working and gettng ~200 concurrent sessions per node |
| 00:44.51 | jelly-home | xingu: If they'd been free from the start, we probably wouldn't have had the monstrosity that is Gnome :-) |
| 00:44.56 | amphi | Pobega: irssi FTW ;) |
| 00:45.02 | Pobega | irssi as well amphi :) |
| 00:45.49 | xingu | Pobega: xchat2 obviously, as if you'd need to ask someone with my outlook that ;) |
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| 00:45.49 | xingu | s/working/work/ |
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| 00:46.03 | Pobega | xingu: I used to use xchat on Windows. But back then I didn't really understand what IRC was. |
| 00:46.16 | jelly-home | IRC is the tabs. |
| 00:46.20 | xingu | hah, I used to use ircii on vms. :) |
| 00:47.53 | MarcN | xingu: That is *OpenVMS* |
| 00:48.03 | xingu | it wasn't too open then. :) |
| 00:48.12 | baloo | Guh. VMS. Who would ever want to use Windows NT or anything that smells like NT? |
| 00:48.16 | xingu | at least they had a multinet license |
| 00:48.25 | Pobega | I wish I started getting into computers a long time ago. I only got my first computer about three years ago =/ |
| 00:48.41 | xingu | vms's cross cluster scheduling and shared storage is pretty neat |
| 00:48.41 | Pobega | I feel like I missed so much now, hah. |
| 00:49.03 | baloo | Pobega: Actually, having no previous computer experience makes learning Linux easier than if you've used Windows before. |
| 00:49.10 | baloo | Pobega: Don't have to unlearn bad habits. |
| 00:49.10 | jelly-home | Pobega: no worries, you'll be able to reminisce about Vista and Linux 2.6 in about 10 years or so ;-) |
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| 00:49.29 | Pobega | baloo: Well I did use Windows, for two and a half years. Got sick of it, and started using GNU/Linux about six months ago. |
| 00:49.31 | MarcN | baloo: WNT smells like VMS, not the other way around. |
| 00:50.05 | Pobega | I became geeky two years into it, before that I just used my computer for AOL/Games, as sad as it is. |
| 00:50.15 | Pobega | I guess we all have to start somewhere, though ;D |
| 00:50.37 | baloo | MarcN: Eeh, I'm not so convinced. All the WinNT programmers were VMSheads so NT brain damage is remarkably similar to VMS brain damage corrupted by CP/M |
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| 00:50.47 | en1gma | BF2 pwnz |
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| 00:51.42 | HostilePenguin | what does this mean (WW) fglrx(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used |
| 00:52.19 | HostilePenguin | and this (WW) fglrx(0): Option "EnablePageFlip" is not used does this mean that these arent being utialized? |
| 00:52.26 | crdlb | HostilePenguin, the option is not used in your configuration for some reason, because it doesn't apply |
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| 00:52.55 | Pobega | I think it means that UseFBDev isn't specified in your xorg.conf, but I could be wrong. |
| 00:52.59 | HostilePenguin | so i can remove all the things that arent being used and it will work the same? |
| 00:53.10 | crdlb | HostilePenguin, I believe both of those options are only for the free "radeon" driver |
| 00:53.18 | crdlb | not for fglrx |
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| 00:53.39 | HostilePenguin | ahh ok i have fglrx |
| 00:53.57 | militant | hey guys. is there a quick/easy way to mount a dvd in a drive on a debian laptop... and have it accessible by my regular desktop? wanna be able to watch a movie n stuff on the main machine and 24" monitor |
| 00:54.18 | Leibsle | hey, did anybody download the new stable release of Etch yet? the ftp mirrors seem to be perm busy :-( |
| 00:54.19 | xingu | oh, I left out 4dwm there too, I had an indigo2 as a console for a while. :) |
| 00:54.25 | jelly-home | militant: which OS on the desktop? |
| 00:54.30 | HostilePenguin | fglrx xorg config |
| 00:54.36 | militant | jelly-home debian as well. both sarge |
| 00:54.45 | HostilePenguin | sorry that was supposed to be google |
| 00:55.07 | Pobega | Leibsle: Stable release of Etch? Etch isn't officially stable, yet. |
| 00:55.15 | jelly-home | militant: you could export it via nfs or share via samba |
| 00:55.18 | Leibsle | it was released! |
| 00:55.25 | xingu | militant: nfs or cifs/samba |
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| 00:55.37 | Pobega | Leibsle: 13 RC bugs remaining says my sources. |
| 00:55.47 | jelly-home | Leibsle: it's not April 1st yet in the USofA. |
| 00:55.54 | xingu | someone's fishing for an april fool's |
| 00:56.07 | Leibsle | jelly, it is since 3 hours in germany :D |
| 00:56.08 | Pobega | Leibsle: It was originally going to be released tommorow, on April Fools day, but one of the developers said that there are too many RC bugs to meet that date. |
| 00:56.13 | MarcN | baloo: Really just Cutler and a few others went to MS to do WinNT. Most devos stayed with DEC |
| 00:56.15 | jelly-home | Leibsle: 02:56! |
| 00:56.34 | Leibsle | jelly, yep! |
| 00:56.39 | militant | ok, i have no idea how to do that. google to the rescue :D (normally i'd just plug the monitor and speakers into the laptop but i don't have multiple displays setup so i wouldn't be able to do other things while the movie played) |
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| 00:56.55 | mezoko | Hi |
| 00:57.00 | Pobega | Leibsle: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch&ignbritney=on&pseudopackages=on&ignmerged=on |
| 00:57.03 | mezoko | Would debian work for a school enviroment? |
| 00:57.13 | xingu | MarcN: that explains why the first three or so wnt network stacks stank so bad. ;) |
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| 00:57.36 | xingu | that man is a strange attractor for network architecture *anti*-fu. |
| 00:57.41 | Aaron_Mason | hey all, booting a freshly debootstrapped and configured Debian sarge system for UML, tried to boot off it and I got this: tty_init : channel type 'tty' must specify a device - full output at http://rafb.net/p/rJ2XQH84.txt |
| 00:57.45 | Pobega | mezoko: Yeah, and I think there is a whole place dedicated to it; Look up debian-edu |
| 00:58.30 | Pobega | Aaron_Mason: I'm no expert, but are you specifying any TTYs to startup in /etc/inittab? |
| 00:58.39 | mezoko | Pobega, sweet because ubuntu wouldn't boot and opensuse was to bloated for this old machine |
| 00:59.09 | Aaron_Mason | Pobega: one sec |
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| 01:00.14 | xingu | uml? it's going to come a cropper if you try and run getty's on vt's surely? |
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| 01:00.22 | Pobega | Aaron_Mason: http://rafb.net/p/H7Je6w15.html |
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| 01:00.51 | Pobega | Taken from my inittab, it only loads up two TTYs. Uncomment the others if you want them. |
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| 01:01.46 | jelly-home | militant: something like http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/NFS_Easy_Way |
| 01:01.46 | stas_v | hi, i am trying to install rtorrent on my system but i get error messages that basically says that all the components on my current system that rtorrent depends on are outdated what should i do? |
| 01:02.10 | militant | jelly-home i got a page up currently, i'll check see if that one is 'easier' |
| 01:02.42 | piper69 | ok who is free to help me with networking |
| 01:02.42 | jelly-home | militant: could be if it's related to debian or something debianish |
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| 01:02.56 | Pobega | piper69: What are you trying to do exactly? |
| 01:03.00 | jelly-home | militant: but not by much :-) |
| 01:03.23 | militant | i gotta figure this nfs stuff out soon anyway, the house needs access to my archive of star trek episodes :) |
| 01:03.25 | Aaron_Mason | xingu: I've had no problems with other OSes, on the same kernel too |
| 01:03.41 | militant | and fetching them off the box via apache is inefficient and irritating to my users |
| 01:04.04 | xingu | Aaron_Mason: as a guest, or booted natively? |
| 01:04.09 | Aaron_Mason | guest |
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| 01:04.47 | xingu | Aaron_Mason: so, a guest uml instance isn't going to actually have virtual terminals, just the "physical" console device |
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| 01:05.11 | Aaron_Mason | yeah |
| 01:05.37 | xingu | Aaron_Mason: if you comment out the getty ... tty[1-6] lines, do the errors stop? |
| 01:05.47 | Aaron_Mason | i'll give it a shot |
| 01:05.51 | xingu | Aaron_Mason: ... in etc/inittab that is (edit it carefully) |
| 01:06.08 | xingu | nb syntax errors in inittab can kill you quickly, so do take care. |
| 01:06.13 | militant | jelly-home this certainly looks easier. thanks man :) |
| 01:06.31 | piper69 | Pobega: i have 2 boxes , i)is an windows box with 1 eth and 1 wireless, ii) debian with 2 eth, 1 is wireless and the other eth is regular, i connect a cross-over cable from box (i) to box (ii) and i set up the default gateway of the eth in box (i) 192.168.2.1. because box (i) is getting internet from a wireless router (192.168.1.1) |
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| 01:07.27 | Pobega | piper69: So what are you trying to do between the two, bridge the connection? |
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| 01:08.09 | piper69 | Pobega: yes sir, so that debian will get the internet from the windows box thru the cross over cable |
| 01:08.47 | Pobega | piper69: I just had a friend do this with his XBox360, let me look through his chat logs. I seem to have forgotten what he did, hah. |
| 01:09.06 | piper69 | Pobega: cool |
| 01:09.54 | Pobega | piper69: He used something called brctl. Commands were: # ifconfig eth2 0.0.0.0 # ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 # brctl addbr mybridge # brctl addif mybridge eth2 # brctl addif mybridge eth1 # dhclient mybridge |
| 01:10.21 | Pobega | I've never done it myself, what you did /should/ work. But I know my friend had trouble getting bridging working under Debian too. |
| 01:10.46 | Aaron_Mason | xingu: nope, errors still come up and i still cant get access to the login |
| 01:10.50 | Pobega | But he was bridging THROUGH Debian, so you'll have to adjust accordingly. |
| 01:10.50 | xingu | Pobega: bridge-utils in etch can do that automagically now in etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:11.07 | Pobega | Oh yeah? I'll tell Jorge next time I talk to him. |
| 01:11.10 | xingu | Pobega: see usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
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| 01:11.30 | Pobega | xingu: Thanks for the tip xingu |
| 01:12.10 | piper69 | xingu: how do you suggest me to get bridge-utilites on the debian box and i don't have internet on it yet |
| 01:12.53 | Pobega | Is 192.168.2.1 i's IP? |
| 01:13.01 | Pobega | i being Windows ii being Debian |
| 01:13.21 | Pobega | I'm no master at networking, by the way. So if I say something stupid PLEASE correct me. |
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| 01:13.50 | xingu | piper69: I suggest you spend a whole $10 on the cheapest nastiest *hub* you can find. |
| 01:14.10 | xingu | piper69: thus eliminating the need for such a crazy topology |
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| 01:14.44 | xingu | piper69: then, when you've got a little more experience under your belt and a working setup to return to, maybe have another go on your own in another 3-6 mo. |
| 01:14.52 | rainabba | I still don't fully understand the implications of the kernel so I've got a question. I'm running Etch x86_64 now. Is it possible to install a 32bit kernel and reboot into it w/o needing to install/reinstall libraries, packages, modules, etc..? What else would I need to deal with? |
| 01:15.36 | piper69 | xingu: i have a router next to it, i am trying to learn this, plus later on today if i got it to work i want to install asterisk on that box for later use |
| 01:15.38 | Pobega | rainabba: As far as I know you'd need all of those things. 32 bit works under 64 but not vice-versa, from what I've read. |
| 01:16.39 | rainabba | Pobega: So it's basically a new install? Is it possible for the two to co-exist (so I don't need to duplicate/resetup .conf files) ? |
| 01:16.39 | xingu | exactly, x86_64 opcodes are invalid unless the kernel is x86_64 |
| 01:16.56 | xingu | lets try our luck |
| 01:16.59 | xingu | !multiarch |
| 01:16.59 | dpkg | from memory, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 01:17.20 | militant | jelly-home yeah it works. got that nfs share mounted up. but vlc isn't figuring out which file to play which is a totally unrelated problem |
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| 01:17.50 | jelly-home | is it a DVD? |
| 01:17.53 | xingu | militant: you are aware that vlc/vls can stream? |
| 01:18.00 | militant | it's a dvd |
| 01:18.06 | militant | and yes i know it streams. just dunno how/etc. |
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| 01:18.27 | fc | hello |
| 01:18.31 | rainabba | xingu: ty, I'll go read |
| 01:18.35 | Aaron_Mason | xingu: I uncommented them all, the error messages still come up and now its saying "no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 01:18.38 | jelly-home | I think you can just tell it the mount point / directory where the dvd files are, and it figures out it's a dvd |
| 01:18.50 | militant | but it doesn't. says 'playlist: n othing to play' |
| 01:18.58 | jelly-home | at least that's the way it works with mplayer |
| 01:19.13 | xingu | militant: running it as a stream will deliver a better result than nfs; the semantics of what happens with scheduling jitter or network congestion will map more closely to what realtime video needs, than nfs ever will |
| 01:19.43 | militant | xingu i don't know how to pull it as a stream off the laptop (the only box i have with a dvd drive) |
| 01:19.59 | jelly-home | reproduction from dvd media doesn't exactly lend itself to realtime either |
| 01:20.06 | xingu | militant: you need vlc or vls to run as a server on that system |
| 01:20.12 | xingu | it's workable. :) |
| 01:20.27 | militant | ahh |
| 01:20.28 | militant | ok |
| 01:20.30 | militant | lemme check that angle. |
| 01:20.40 | xingu | gimme a few to see if I can scare up a link; I've done this at work, streaming dvb-t to "burn in" some long haul POS circuits |
| 01:20.52 | piper69 | question: how can i know which card is eth0 and which one is eth1 please |
| 01:21.24 | xingu | militant: http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch04.html |
| 01:21.32 | jelly-home | xingu: POS referring to destined usage, or the quality of the line? :-) |
| 01:21.36 | fc | piper69, with ifconfig maybe? |
| 01:21.37 | Pobega | piper69: ifconfig should work fine, no? |
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| 01:21.41 | xingu | "yes, your honour" |
| 01:21.42 | militant | checking |
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| 01:21.57 | baloo | Is there a compelling reason that I shouldn't lobby to get America's Army cut from the DoD budget, or is there a Linux version I'm just missing on their site? I could have sworn there was one before... |
| 01:22.17 | rainabba | xingu: If I'm understanding right, multiarch really only applies to the kernel (in a case like mine) and I can use 32bit or 64bit apps? If I try to install a 32bit arch app using dpkg with MultiArch kernel, what kernel would be reported to dpkg? |
| 01:22.23 | militant | uh xingu none of that makes ANY sense to me :/ |
| 01:22.24 | jelly-home | piper69: plug something in and look for "link up" messages in dmesg? :-) |
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| 01:22.25 | piper69 | Pobega: it doesn't show eth1 , plus its not in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:22.53 | piper69 | jelly-home: will you please explain it to me because this is like chiness to me |
| 01:22.55 | piper69 | :) |
| 01:22.59 | xingu | militant: just use the "http" example for instance |
| 01:23.15 | Pobega | piper69: Then it must be eth0, unless it's not configured at all. |
| 01:23.30 | fc | piper69, do you have two ethernet cards? otherwise it's eth0 |
| 01:23.38 | militant | ok |
| 01:24.02 | fc | piper69 otherwise you can do "ifup eth1 up", and then eth1 should show up in ifconfig |
| 01:24.03 | piper69 | fc: i do have 2 eth cards yes, |
| 01:24.15 | xingu | militant: actually rtp is probably a better pick. |
| 01:24.36 | piper69 | jelly-home: dmesg | grep eth only returend eth0, |
| 01:24.52 | jelly-home | piper69: connect one of your interfaces to some other piece of network equipment, check that the blinky lights have turned on/changed, then look in the last lines of output of "dmesg" for signs of life |
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| 01:25.59 | piper69 | jelly-home: cool i got it , know i know which one is the wireless and with one is the lan |
| 01:26.01 | jelly-home | piper69: also, are both cards the same type / use the same driver? If they're not, you can see which is which from dmesg too |
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| 01:26.11 | militant | xingu this is probably a lost cause right now, i'm getting errors and things. what's wrong with nfs? |
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| 01:26.25 | helo | does apache2 do ssl? |
| 01:26.33 | jelly-home | piper69: usually the wired ones come first |
| 01:26.36 | militant | ah screw it |
| 01:26.43 | militant | i'll fool with it later when i don't ahve people waiting |
| 01:26.44 | piper69 | jelly-home: the are diffrent cards |
| 01:26.57 | militant | i'll just give up both my machines for the next couple hours, no biggie. |
| 01:27.11 | militant | thanks for the help guys, i'll idle and come back to bug you with nfs/etc questions after the movie :) |
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| 01:27.46 | jelly-home | militant: also, DVD formats are sometimes funny and the files can't be read normally, but work when media is accessed directly (from a media player) |
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| 01:28.15 | militant | yeah a dvd played fine in vlc on the laptop last night, but vlc on this box reading the disc in the laptop via nfs kinda crapped out |
| 01:28.25 | fc | Has anybody here ever tried FreeBSD? |
| 01:28.59 | jelly-home | fc: is this leading to a debian related question, or just a poll? :-) |
| 01:29.31 | DebianBox | i clicked on "Network Servers" and i am trying to get access to a folder on my windows PC, which i can get to, but when i click on the folder, it says permission denied, i assume it is due to me needing to log in? How do i do this? |
| 01:29.45 | fc | jelly-home, only indirectly. I'm looking for a plan B in case Debian perishes... |
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| 01:30.08 | h3xis | fc, i've used it, but prefer debian <3 |
| 01:30.14 | en1gma | anyone know if cygwin use DD if it were like in a real linux enviroment |
| 01:30.25 | jelly-home | en1gma: DD? |
| 01:30.28 | en1gma | im using it to put debian on usb stick is why i ask |
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| 01:30.45 | en1gma | 'dd' |
| 01:30.47 | h3xis | en1gma, AFAIK it does |
| 01:30.49 | jelly-home | en1gma: oh |
| 01:30.58 | fc | h3xis, would you use FreeBSD if Debian didn't exist? |
| 01:31.04 | h3xis | fc, no, i'd use slackware |
| 01:31.10 | fc | Ah, true. |
| 01:31.17 | en1gma | i trying it right now...the guide says use "On Windows 32 systems instead of dd use [WWW] WinRaWrite (the easiest) or [WWW] dd for Windows to copy the image file onto the USB drive" |
| 01:31.26 | en1gma | but i have cygwin so i trying it |
| 01:31.35 | fc | I don't have a good feeling about what's happening with the developer community... |
| 01:31.50 | jelly-home | en1gma: if you can figure out which device is it, it ought to work |
| 01:32.16 | fc | And Ubuntu draining people away and all... |
| 01:32.18 | en1gma | i did a "cat /proc/partitions" and it listed in cygwi |
| 01:32.22 | Pobega | I'd use FreeBSD if Debian died. |
| 01:32.31 | en1gma | which i couldnt do with what it told me to use |
| 01:32.37 | Pobega | Or Gentoo. It really depends how crazy I feel. |
| 01:32.46 | jelly-home | I'd use RHEL :-) |
| 01:32.58 | piper69 | jelly-home: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.0 port 67 interval 6 and keep going up to 11,16 etc |
| 01:33.02 | Pobega | I'd use the Linux kernel. |
| 01:33.04 | h3xis | red hat has proposed red hat for the consumer desktop again |
| 01:33.07 | fc | I was gonna ask about Gentoo. But Gentoo seems more unstable than Debian, and the community is even more beaten up. |
| 01:33.19 | Pobega | Gentoo's fine, just bad PR. |
| 01:33.23 | fc | haha |
| 01:33.28 | jelly-home | fc: and they don't even have Ubuntu! |
| 01:33.32 | Pobega | I mean, Debian gets horrible PR. |
| 01:33.39 | Kevin` | debian, unstable? |
| 01:33.43 | DebianBox | i clicked on "Network Servers" and i am trying to get access to a folder on my windows PC, which i can get to, but when i click on the folder, it says permission denied, i assume it is due to me needing to log in? How do i do this? |
| 01:34.08 | h3xis | DebianBox, sounds like a problem with permissions |
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| 01:34.13 | h3xis | DebianBox, samba? |
| 01:34.16 | Pobega | Gentoo has a few developers coming in and out of the project, but they'll survive. Worst case scenario is a (Most likely unsuccessful) fork of the Gentoo project. |
| 01:34.57 | jelly-home | I'd use Debian GNU/Solaris if one was available and legal enough. |
| 01:35.06 | jelly-home | Nexenta smells funny |
| 01:35.14 | fc | I would like a Gentooed version of Debian stable |
| 01:35.27 | helo | you better get started then :P |
| 01:35.39 | fc | Because you don't update stable as much as you would do with the other branches, so compile times wouldn't be as noticeable of a problem. |
| 01:36.13 | jelly-home | fc: why would you want to compile your own at all? |
| 01:36.35 | helo | is there a mod_ssl for apache2? |
| 01:36.36 | fc | I agree it's not practical, but somehow it gives me psychological satisfaction. |
| 01:36.38 | Pobega | jelly-home: Sometimes compiling from source can be very useful, especially when you're a developer. |
| 01:36.40 | helo | wrong chan... |
| 01:36.41 | jelly-home | just adding another possible point of failure |
| 01:37.01 | jelly-home | Pobega: that's a given, but not rebuilding the whole distro |
| 01:37.37 | Pobega | jelly-home: Of course, too much work. When you're running a server (ala Debian stable) you wouldn't need to compile from source, it would just be a waste of "coulda been uptime" and CPU cycles. |
| 01:37.38 | jelly-home | helo: apache2 has ssl support |
| 01:37.44 | helo | without a module? |
| 01:38.14 | jelly-home | helo: the module is already there |
| 01:38.21 | fc | Yeah, I agree it's not practical. I would like it, though. |
| 01:38.23 | helo | how do i enable ssl? |
| 01:38.41 | fc | More as an engineering feat |
| 01:38.52 | DebianBox | i clicked on "Network Servers" and i am trying to get access to a folder on my windows PC, which i can get to, but when i click on the folder, it says permission denied, i assume it is due to me needing to log in? How do i do this? |
| 01:38.59 | helo | usually <IfModule mod_ssl.c> .... |
| 01:39.05 | Pobega | The only thing that I would REALLY miss about Debian (Besides the stability) is APT's reverse dependency handling. I love that so much :( |
| 01:39.12 | jelly-home | helo: man a2enmod |
| 01:39.27 | fc | DebianBox did you set your permissions on fstab, with uid="XXX"? |
| 01:39.56 | DebianBox | fc, i do not udnerstand |
| 01:40.27 | Pobega | DebianBox: uid sets mount permissions if I remember correctly. |
| 01:41.01 | DebianBox | im in a window exploring the network |
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| 01:41.14 | Crypticfortune_ | anyone know why proftpd would use the ftp-data port for passive connections on one server, and not on another? |
| 01:41.25 | fc | DebianBox look this up on Google (without the quotes): "fstab uid network" |
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| 01:42.28 | fc | (some help I am) |
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| 01:44.03 | fc | DebianBox, this is the first entry that comes up when searching what I wrote above. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-1919.html |
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| 01:44.59 | cezeta | I have a question... Im running vmware And I have a ubuntu server (virtual). I change the ip and netword cards, and now I get an error trying to bring up eth0, I remember something changind iftab file... any clue????? |
| 01:45.34 | Pobega | cezeta: Is everything in /etc/network/interfaces correct? (Also, there is #ubuntu) |
| 01:45.52 | cezeta | yes Pobega, |
| 01:46.11 | cezeta | it´s a virtual machine i miigrate to other host vmware server |
| 01:46.22 | DebianBox | dude, is there any way i can just right click and login as? |
| 01:46.37 | Pobega | DebianBox: Login as what? |
| 01:46.39 | cezeta | (error while getting interface flags) it the error, |
| 01:47.20 | cezeta | any clue? |
| 01:47.25 | Pobega | cezeta: Sounds akward. Maybe it's trying to connect directly to your modem instead of hijacking your host OS's connection. |
| 01:47.44 | cezeta | I have a router... |
| 01:47.57 | Pobega | modem/router, same thing. |
| 01:48.03 | cezeta | ok |
| 01:48.03 | DebianBox | gee, mabey log in as the user that would mabey give me mabey some access to mabey the stuff im trying to mabey access |
| 01:48.05 | Pobega | You know what I meant. |
| 01:48.12 | Pobega | DebianBox: su? |
| 01:48.41 | DebianBox | i clicked on "Network Servers" and i am trying to get access to a folder on my windows PC, which i can get to, but when i click on the folder, it says permission denied, i assume it is due to me needing to log in? How do i do this? |
| 01:48.46 | cezeta | I know is something about mac address, iftab and dhcp.... |
| 01:48.53 | cezeta | but im stuck |
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| 01:49.13 | Pobega | DebianBox: NTFS needs root access to write, su/sux/gksu into root and have fun. |
| 01:49.21 | helo | where did the apache2-ssl-certificate script go? |
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| 01:49.31 | piper69 | DebianBox: can you access it from your linux box |
| 01:49.38 | Pobega | cezeta: I'm out of ideas. Ask on #ubuntu, they might be able to help you better. |
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| 01:50.24 | piper69 | if i have atuo eth0 in interfaces can i add auto eth1 ? |
| 01:50.37 | rpc | does anyone know what does bus error mean? |
| 01:50.48 | piper69 | and iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 01:50.49 | rpc | i just got that over ssh session and ssh session broke.. |
| 01:51.10 | rpc | i can ping the host but can't ssh in |
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| 01:52.10 | helo | there used to be a script with apache2 called apache2-ssl-certificate... that would generate your .pem for apache2... anyone know where it went? |
| 01:53.09 | DebianBox | still not working as root |
| 01:54.05 | DebianBox | why doesnt it prompt me like it does on the ubuntu box for username and password to log in as for the windows box?? |
| 01:54.31 | Miles_Prower | Hello. I am attempting to get an AMI MEGARAID 428 REV-D1 to work in debian linux. However, when starting up with the card installed, i get 'pure virtual function call' errors and etc, the machine restarts. If i enable the on-card bios, a crash occurs when loading firmware. Does anyone have a download location for this apparently hard as HELL to find firmware? my unit has a 1996 release on it. |
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| 01:55.34 | DebianBox | i clicked on "Network Servers" and i am trying to get access to a folder on my windows PC, which i can get to, but when i click on the folder, it says permission denied, i assume it is due to me needing to log in? How do i do this? |
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| 01:56.45 | mfrisch | DebianBox: you have konqueror? |
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| 01:58.07 | DebianBox | no idea |
| 01:58.11 | mfrisch | DebianBox: you use smb://user@hostname/share |
| 01:58.13 | DebianBox | i have default debian |
| 01:58.30 | helo | wow, i'm outstandingly frustrated trying to find good info on apache2 ssl |
| 01:58.54 | DebianBox | same error message |
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| 01:59.13 | helo | there is a script with openssl called "make-ssl-cert", but it has a worthless manpage and --help |
| 02:00.14 | DebianBox | nvm, that worked |
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| 02:02.24 | mfrisch | DebianBox: is this a desktop? you have X? do you have a firewall on the debian box? |
| 02:02.24 | mfrisch | helo: I think that make script just makes generic certs..but you should be able to change stuff around maybe there is a conf in /etc/ |
| 02:03.05 | \amethyst | helo: bug 395823 |
| 02:03.09 | \amethyst | err |
| 02:03.19 | \amethyst | yes, that's the one |
| 02:03.29 | \amethyst | one of the messages to that bug has a copy of the script :) |
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| 02:05.20 | jjido | When I try to boot the CD, I am thrown in "initramfs" |
| 02:05.29 | \amethyst | helo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395823#msg20 |
| 02:05.39 | helo | ahh, woot |
| 02:05.40 | helo | thanks |
| 02:05.55 | Jhonny_ | hello |
| 02:06.03 | jjido | looks like it can't mount the squashfs image |
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| 02:07.07 | jjido | how do I show the commands? #flood? |
| 02:07.29 | \amethyst | !paste |
| 02:07.29 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 02:07.58 | Jhonny_ | #ubuntu |
| 02:08.03 | jjido | thanks. |
| 02:08.29 | piper69 | what is keyring? |
| 02:08.43 | bzed | helo: you could use cacert.org for a free but a bit more secure certificate |
| 02:08.48 | bzed | !keyring |
| 02:08.48 | dpkg | it has been said that keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
| 02:09.35 | piper69 | !gpg |
| 02:09.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
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| 02:10.29 | mfrisch | bzed: cacert.org cool. is it signed? |
| 02:11.02 | bzed | mfrisch: yeah, from cacert, which is unfortunately not in the browsers (yet) |
| 02:11.44 | bzed | mfrisch: but getting a cert there is not totally trivial so you can trust it more than self-signed certificates |
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| 02:11.59 | bzed | mfrisch: it's like pgp, but for certificates |
| 02:13.12 | jjido | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5911 |
| 02:13.17 | mfrisch | bzed: cool. Is there a revoke list/feature |
| 02:13.53 | jjido | Any idea? |
| 02:16.06 | bzed | mfrisch: afaik yes. |
| 02:16.15 | bzed | mfrisch: they have a good documentation |
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| 02:17.26 | mfrisch | bzed: cool security should be free ;-) |
| 02:17.35 | bzed | definitely |
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| 02:17.44 | paolob | Hi guys! |
| 02:17.56 | paolob | How do I add a permanent route to a debian box? thank you! |
| 02:18.59 | bzed | ip route add .... |
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| 02:19.34 | paolob | bzed, that way I loose it at next startup... |
| 02:19.40 | \amethyst | paolob: man interfaces |
| 02:19.53 | \amethyst | paolob: look for the word "static" |
| 02:20.27 | bzed | uh |
| 02:20.50 | bzed | static is the wrong thing to look for imho |
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| 02:21.22 | bzed | paolob: you want to look for post-up in man interfaces |
| 02:21.25 | \amethyst | yeah, my bad |
| 02:22.19 | paolob | \amethyst, bzed ok, thank you, but it isn't clear... where could I find an example? |
| 02:23.23 | bzed | paolob: man ip is well written imho |
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| 02:23.27 | bzed | an example would be |
| 02:23.58 | bzed | paolob: ip route add 10.0.0.1 via 192.168.10.1 dev eth0 |
| 02:24.23 | bhundven | lartc.org |
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| 02:24.58 | bzed | paolob: if that works for you, you just add post-up ip ad ..... to the config of your interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:29.25 | paolob | bzed, and for a sub net what would be the command? |
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| 02:32.51 | bzed | paolob: use network/mask instead of a single ip |
| 02:33.15 | paolob | bzed, I tried that way, but it doesn't work, my route is now |
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| 02:33.27 | paolob | 10.0.2.0 10.152.58.5 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:33.27 | paolob | 10.152.58.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:33.27 | paolob | 0.0.0.0 10.152.58.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:33.34 | lightspin | how do i figure out which device is my CDrom? |
| 02:33.42 | paolob | but ping 10.0.2.26 doesn't work. Why? |
| 02:33.43 | bhundven | paolob, you should check out lartc.org/howto it uses the iproute utils and can help you with pretty much all of your routing questions. |
| 02:33.49 | bzed | lightspin: /dev/cdrom usually |
| 02:33.57 | bzed | paolob: do NOT paste into the channel |
| 02:34.03 | bzed | !paste |
| 02:34.03 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 02:34.25 | bzed | paolob: paste the output op ip route list please |
| 02:35.26 | bzed | paolob: and I think bhundven is right, you really want to learn about those things brfore you try it |
| 02:36.06 | paolob | bzed, http://channels.debian.net/paste2/5912 |
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| 02:37.18 | lightspin | bzed, whats it mean when i have a cd rom thats hooked up and working (i've just booted cds from it) and i dont see a cdrom device? |
| 02:37.29 | jstarj | Hey, on debian i am getting the error "Access Point: Invalid". I am using Etch R52 (the testing version) with kernel 2.6.18 (so that rules out the driver problem... i think). And i have a BCM4306 card. I'm out of ideas, and have been messing with this for a day or two. I gaurentee it's something simple i've over looked... anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:38.02 | bzed | lightspin: what are you doing? runnign knoppix? |
| 02:38.18 | bzed | paolob: are you on ubuntu? and why didn't you paste what I've asked you to? |
| 02:38.43 | GhostlyDeath | remmeber what I said before.. |
| 02:38.45 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 02:38.48 | GhostlyDeath | eitherway |
| 02:39.08 | paolob | bzed, I'm no debian unstable. "paste the output op ip route list please" I don't understand it... |
| 02:39.10 | GhostlyDeath | is 20GB good for /, 159GB good for /home and 1GB good for swap |
| 02:39.11 | GhostlyDeath | ? |
| 02:39.19 | centrx | plenty |
| 02:39.21 | paolob | bzed, s/no/on/ |
| 02:39.40 | GhostlyDeath | How can see how much size all of my packages are? |
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| 02:40.13 | crm_ | hi hi |
| 02:40.18 | GhostlyDeath | hey hey |
| 02:40.23 | crm_ | how do i get a list of devices on this pc? |
| 02:40.53 | bzed | paolob: what's so hard to understand on: please paste the output of ip route list ? |
| 02:41.08 | paolob | bzed, ok, excuse me... |
| 02:41.24 | jstarj | Anyone even use bcm43xx? |
| 02:41.30 | paolob | bzed, http://channels.debian.net/paste2/5913 |
| 02:41.40 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: you want to use lvm to be able to resize each part as needed |
| 02:41.53 | GhostlyDeath | I'm gonna boot a liveCD |
| 02:41.54 | GhostlyDeath | wait |
| 02:42.00 | GhostlyDeath | I burned a CD iso onto a DVD, will it still work? |
| 02:42.40 | bzed | no clue |
| 02:42.51 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: you wanna use an installer... imho |
| 02:43.04 | bzed | paolob: what does ip route get 10.0.2.26 say? |
| 02:43.22 | bzed | crm_: pci devices? usb devices? serial devices? |
| 02:43.28 | paolob | bzed, 10.0.2.26 via 10.152.58.5 dev eth0 src 10.152.58.1 |
| 02:43.35 | paolob | cache mtu 1500 advmss 1460 hoplimit 64 |
| 02:43.50 | bzed | that looks good imho |
| 02:44.09 | bzed | are you sure that 10.152.58.5 forwards packets at all? |
| 02:44.22 | bzed | can you ping 10.152.58.5 ? |
| 02:45.26 | paolob | bzed, I can ping 10.152.58.5, 10.0.2.1 (which is the same 10.152.58.5), and I can ssh 10.152.58.5 ping 10.0.2.26 |
| 02:46.11 | bzed | you need to enable routing on 10.152.58.5 then |
| 02:46.13 | bzed | at least that' |
| 02:46.16 | bzed | s what I'd guess |
| 02:46.37 | bzed | or better: IP forwarding |
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| 02:47.06 | efaistos | hi |
| 02:47.18 | lightspin | how do i get a cdrom working? |
| 02:47.28 | efaistos | is there a imagemagick package ? |
| 02:48.55 | bzed | !tell efaistos about search |
| 02:49.51 | paolob | bzed|n8n8, on 10.152.58.5 the route is defined |
| 02:50.01 | efaistos | bzed|n8n8: tried apt-cache but didnt find it |
| 02:50.03 | bzed|n8n8 | paolob: forwarding. |
| 02:50.18 | paolob | ok, thanks, I'm going on tomorrow! |
| 02:50.36 | bzed|n8n8 | efaistos: it's called imagemagick |
| 02:50.46 | bzed|n8n8 | !find imagemagick |
| 02:50.48 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'imagemagick' (2): graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat ;; imagemagick. |
| 02:50.55 | lightspin | how do i get a cdrom working? |
| 02:51.20 | lightspin | how do i get a cd rom working that does not apper in /dev |
| 02:52.21 | lightspin | anyone awake? |
| 02:53.24 | lightspin | jghjgfhjfghjgfhjgfjgfhjgfhj |
| 02:53.42 | mius | mount it |
| 02:53.58 | lightspin | gee thanks |
| 02:54.09 | lightspin | mabey you forgot abuot the part with it not being in /dev |
| 02:54.39 | mius | /dev/cdrom |
| 02:55.01 | lightspin | which does not exist... english not good for ya? |
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| 02:55.35 | helo | why is apache sending me a .php file instead of displaying it? |
| 02:55.55 | helo | well... yeah yeah... apache doesn't display anything... |
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| 02:56.09 | dondelelcaro | helo: because you either don't have the php module loaded or you don't have it asssociated with .php files. |
| 02:56.34 | lightspin | how do i get a cd rom working that does not apper in /dev |
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| 02:56.39 | helo | i added it with a2enmod... |
| 02:56.49 | dondelelcaro | helo: and restarted apache? |
| 02:57.23 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: if you don't see it in /dev/ and it didn't appear in dmesg, then it won't work. Getting that to happen is the first step. |
| 02:57.44 | lightspin | how do i see if it appears in dmesg |
| 02:57.55 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: by running dmesg |less; and looking at the output |
| 02:58.17 | helo | everything i read says installing libapache2-mod-php4 should be all that is required |
| 02:58.20 | helo | yeah, restarted |
| 02:59.13 | dondelelcaro | helo: and wget -S --spider localhost 2>&1 |grep Server; says what? |
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| 02:59.56 | lightspin | and what exactly would i be looking for? |
| 03:00.26 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.34 | lightspin | i see nothing that says cdrom |
| 03:01.07 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: something like this: hdc: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-845E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
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| 03:01.47 | lightspin | so the name of the cdrom is iomegaZipCD i would look for iomega something |
| 03:01.55 | \amethyst | lightspin: look for CD |
| 03:02.02 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: just search for CD. |
| 03:02.06 | lightspin | did |
| 03:02.07 | lightspin | nothing |
| 03:02.12 | dondelelcaro | helo: then restart your browser and try again |
| 03:02.12 | helo | yeah yeah... my problems are impossible... it's ok |
| 03:02.15 | helo | heh |
| 03:02.24 | lightspin | nothing that references CDrom, i see stuff referencing USB |
| 03:02.40 | lightspin | i did a grep cd |
| 03:02.52 | dondelelcaro | -i cd, hopefully. |
| 03:03.00 | \amethyst | search for capital CD |
| 03:03.05 | lightspin | did |
| 03:03.08 | lightspin | which returns nothing |
| 03:03.17 | \amethyst | lightspin: What kind of CD-ROM is this? What interface? |
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| 03:03.23 | lightspin | IDE |
| 03:03.28 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: internal? |
| 03:03.31 | lightspin | yes |
| 03:03.37 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: does the bios detect it? |
| 03:03.42 | lightspin | i installed the OS with it. |
| 03:04.01 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: then it's probably /dev/hdc or /dev/hda; which Debian version are you using? |
| 03:04.08 | lightspin | i will shut down and make sure nothingi s loose. |
| 03:04.19 | lightspin | there are only sd* and only 2, for the two hard drives i have |
| 03:04.19 | helo | dondelelcaro: hmm... it serves out one index.php just fine |
| 03:04.35 | dondelelcaro | helo: you want to restart your browser. |
| 03:04.39 | helo | dondelelcaro: i did already |
| 03:05.05 | lightspin | anything else you can think of? |
| 03:05.24 | dondelelcaro | lightspin: it won't be sd, it'll be hd. |
| 03:05.32 | lightspin | there are no hd's |
| 03:05.51 | \amethyst | lightspin: does modprobe ide_cd say anything? |
| 03:06.02 | lightspin | no |
| 03:06.41 | \amethyst | lightspin: anything about IDE in your dmesg? |
| 03:06.53 | \amethyst | lightspin: or ATAPI |
| 03:07.16 | lightspin | Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 |
| 03:07.21 | lightspin | IDE |
| 03:07.35 | lightspin | nothing for atapi |
| 03:07.41 | \amethyst | Anything after the Probing IDE interface ide0? |
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| 03:07.47 | \amethyst | or does that not appear? |
| 03:07.58 | helo | dondelelcaro: googling for right_main.php gives a result with someone having the same problem |
| 03:08.16 | lightspin | modeprobe ide0: FATAL: Module ide0 not found. |
| 03:08.18 | helo | (no replies) |
| 03:08.25 | \amethyst | aha |
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| 03:08.30 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:08.38 | \amethyst | lightspin: what kernel version? |
| 03:08.45 | helo | could this be a bug in firefox? |
| 03:08.47 | lkthomas | what program can I use to plot 2D graph with a function such as y=mx+c ? |
| 03:08.47 | lightspin | 2.6.? |
| 03:08.48 | \amethyst | lightspin: including the debian version part |
| 03:09.01 | dondelelcaro | helo: if any .php scripts are being served, then it's configured properly. If a specific virtual host is not serving them, then it's because you've dissasociated that type with the php module. |
| 03:09.08 | \amethyst | lightspin: entire output of uname -r |
| 03:09.22 | lightspin | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:09.27 | dondelelcaro | helo: you're going to have to give us way more information if you want help, because from what you've told us so far it should be working (and indeed, it is working for index.php) |
| 03:09.29 | lightspin | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:09.38 | lightspin | oops. |
| 03:09.58 | \amethyst | sarge? |
| 03:10.06 | lightspin | sounds good tme |
| 03:10.09 | lightspin | * to me |
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| 03:10.34 | Kronuz | hello |
| 03:10.47 | Kronuz | hey, do I have to recompile the kernel to have reiser4 access? |
| 03:10.51 | \amethyst | lightspin: what is your motherboard? |
| 03:11.47 | Kronuz | (I was looking for a kernel-patch-reiser4 package |
| 03:12.11 | lightspin | ok, i installed the OS from this cdrom... what could possibly go wrong? |
| 03:12.43 | Kronuz | also, I was wondering... if I get the kernel source code debian package, do I still have to patch it using linux-patch-debian? |
| 03:12.48 | Kronuz | (or is it already patched?) |
| 03:12.55 | \amethyst | lightspin: Probably you just need to find and load the module for your motherboard's IDE |
| 03:12.56 | bobloblian | I am a bit embarrassed to ask, after 3 years with debian I have never had to upgrade a 2.4 kernel to 2.6... |
| 03:13.08 | lightspin | ita a via motherboard |
| 03:13.18 | bobloblian | can I just apt-get install kernel-image.2.6.8 and then apt-get install linux-image*** |
| 03:13.31 | lightspin | bob, cant be hard, i accidently did it |
| 03:14.10 | dondelelcaro | bobloblian: you can just install whatever linux-image or kernel-image package you want, yes. |
| 03:14.32 | dondelelcaro | bobloblian: the only minor annoyance is that for specific disks (SATA) the device naming may have changed |
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| 03:15.01 | lightspin | maethyst: i have a itx via motherboard |
| 03:15.13 | \amethyst | lightspin: What's the chipset? |
| 03:15.27 | \amethyst | lightspin: lspci | grep IDE |
| 03:15.48 | lightspin | 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 03:15.50 | helo | dondelelcaro: looks like it may be a squirrelmail bug or firefox bug... if i try to open a large inbox, it sends me the php file instead of displaying the mail... the php file it sends is empty... maybe it is some memory limit i have set for php... |
| 03:15.51 | apt-apt | Just installed etch on a thinkpad t43. Amazing! everything works. I tried sarge this afternoon but too many problems. I'm so impressed. Question:the cpu scaling aplet shows that my cpu is not scaling, but htop shows that it is. Is this just a problem with the aplet or is my cpu not scaling? When I click on the aplet I get this message "...your machine may be misconfigured or you don't have hardware support for cpu scaling" |
| 03:16.05 | \amethyst | lightspin: does modprobe via82cxxx do anything? |
| 03:16.16 | helo | it only occurs if i try to open my inboxes with 2000+ emails |
| 03:16.23 | Kronuz | "unknown filesystem type 'reiser4'" |
| 03:16.26 | dondelelcaro | helo: oh; that's not it sending you the php file, that's it not sending any output. |
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| 03:16.29 | lightspin | no |
| 03:16.43 | \amethyst | lightspin: anything in dmesg about it? |
| 03:16.48 | Kronuz | when I try to mount (but mkfs.reiser4 is there, I installed the reiser4 package) |
| 03:16.58 | dondelelcaro | helo: check the output in apache's error log. |
| 03:17.14 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: that just means you don't have the reiser kernel module loaded |
| 03:17.14 | \amethyst | Kronuz: Yes, you do have to patch and recompile your kernel |
| 03:17.14 | helo | dondelelcaro: just did, exceeded memory limit :) |
| 03:17.17 | lightspin | dmesg | grep via82cxxx |
| 03:17.17 | lightspin | via82cxxx: Six channel audio available |
| 03:17.17 | lightspin | via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xD800, IRQ 209 |
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| 03:18.00 | Kronuz | \amethyst, where can I get the patch? |
| 03:18.10 | Kronuz | 'cause it's not a packaged one... it seems |
| 03:18.15 | \amethyst | Kronuz: you might want to try namesys.com? |
| 03:18.16 | Kronuz | (like the bootsplash patch) |
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| 03:18.21 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:18.24 | bobloblian | dondelelcaro: thanks, just to be sure I am clear, I can install 2.6.18, reboot, and it will work? that easy? |
| 03:18.53 | Azar | bobloblian: if you use grub, yes |
| 03:19.06 | \amethyst | lightspin: hmm... I guess the module names changed (in 2.6.18 that one is via82cxxx_audio) |
| 03:19.10 | Vanpriest | someone can help me. my email listen seem to only listen on port localhost.. when i do netstat -na -A inet | grep :25, it show me tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 03:19.15 | Vanpriest | someone could help me please |
| 03:19.34 | lightspin | so what? boot in 2.4? |
| 03:19.37 | Azar | who likes to work with spreadsheets, this is fun: Open Office calc functions: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000204 |
| 03:20.20 | Azar | \amethyst: same is on 2.6.8, I have the via chipset |
| 03:20.30 | Vanpriest | is tat normal? |
| 03:20.30 | Azar | the oss module, right? |
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| 03:21.28 | Azar | buh bah, Vanpriest I hate email, never use it on my box |
| 03:21.54 | bobloblian | ok, now, one more stupid question, after I upgrade the kernel, I can change my sources list and dist-upgrade to etch, correct? |
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| 03:22.16 | \amethyst | Vanpriest: What mail server are you using? |
| 03:22.21 | Azar | bobloblian: check the release notes first, just to be prepared of what might happen |
| 03:22.45 | dondelelcaro | Vanpriest: you just need to configure your MTA to listen on 0.0.0.0 instead. |
| 03:22.50 | Azar | bobloblian: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 03:23.36 | bobloblian | Azar: ty |
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| 03:26.22 | Kronuz | hey, also... for some reason I believe my updates aren't working as they should... it freezed and I restarted and now it seems it's not installing/finding updates anymore (the updates weren't installed I think, but now if I check there's nothing new and there are some failure messages there in the details window) |
| 03:26.23 | Azar | hehe Andreas Barth thinks Etch could come on April's fool day, I think not so fast |
| 03:26.43 | Azar | Kronuz: what Debian? Etch? |
| 03:26.49 | Kronuz | Azar, yep |
| 03:26.51 | Kronuz | Etch |
| 03:27.00 | Azar | Kronuz: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 03:27.17 | dondelelcaro | Azar: that was revised, actually... |
| 03:27.30 | Azar | so we hold on 14 bugs left..... 1st or 3rd of April? |
| 03:27.44 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah.... never seen the revision |
| 03:27.54 | dondelelcaro | we'll always release on a weekend |
| 03:28.13 | Azar | :) yee!! |
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| 03:28.35 | Azar | Ill get some more beers for next weekend then |
| 03:28.55 | Azar | take day off cuz our computers at work are crashed anyways.. |
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| 03:29.17 | Azar | so who cares, Etch is getting born! |
| 03:29.57 | Azar | and anyways we will not get our paychecks since the payroll applications is gone |
| 03:30.35 | bhundven | Azar: heh. lame. |
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| 03:31.22 | Azar | bhundven: when the company is stingy to hire a part time IT.... heck |
| 03:31.45 | bhundven | hmm |
| 03:32.06 | Azar | you know what the management does when the computers crash? they go in vacation |
| 03:32.08 | Crypticfortune_ | how would i tell if my firewall is watching ftp connections open up ports temporarily as specified by PASV commands in the ftp connection? does normal iptables support that? |
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| 03:32.50 | lightspin | changing to 2.4 kernel didnt do anything. what else can i do to fix it? |
| 03:33.10 | Azar | Crypticfortune_: newbie here but from what I nosed around with iptables: everything is possible if you write the rules correctly |
| 03:33.23 | bhundven | Azar: hahaha, sounds like a company enema |
| 03:33.52 | bhundven | company *needs |
| 03:33.52 | \amethyst | lightspin: make sure the cdrom isn't disabled in the BIOS... that's the only thing I can think of... |
| 03:34.03 | Azar | bhundven: for god sakes, I have no idea why they stubborn to stick with windows systems if they don't hire a tech support to oversee the servers. |
| 03:34.06 | lightspin | its not, i just booted a cd from it |
| 03:34.24 | Azar | bhundven: you know, someone gonna bite the dust really soon and really hard |
| 03:34.37 | Azar | just wait to see when the people don't get their paychecks |
| 03:34.48 | Kronuz | does anybody know where I can get the reiser4 patch for kernel 2.6.18? |
| 03:34.54 | Kronuz | (as a debian package) |
| 03:35.20 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 |
| 03:35.22 | bhundven | Azar: if I didn't have this plush unix eng. job, I'd send ya my resume. |
| 03:35.43 | Kronuz | dondelelcaro, I tried that one, the kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 (20050715-1): |
| 03:35.46 | Azar | bhundven: eh not that they can't find someone, they do not want to pay |
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| 03:35.53 | bhundven | oh |
| 03:35.59 | bhundven | I've been in jobs like that |
| 03:36.03 | Kronuz | but it says there's no 2.6.18 kernel patch found |
| 03:36.09 | bhundven | I left asap |
| 03:36.14 | lightspin | fien then |
| 03:36.21 | lightspin | how do i emulate an ISO? |
| 03:36.22 | Azar | and few people who cold dedicate time and care to the servers, just refuse to do it... is not in their job description / pay |
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| 03:37.21 | \amethyst | Kronuz: Perhaps you can combine the debian package kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 with the updated patch from ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/reiser4-for-2.6/2.6.18 |
| 03:37.22 | Azar | bhundven: ffff my boss does not even want to care for the minimal hygiene / admin of the systems: the backup tapes broke, and he dont want to buy new ones, as recommended by the HQ IT team |
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| 03:38.04 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: well, that's where it would be. You'll probably have to get the patch from namesys yourself and install it |
| 03:38.13 | dondelelcaro | although, frankly, I'd stay away from using reiserfs |
| 03:38.33 | dondelelcaro | !ricerfs |
| 03:38.34 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 03:38.56 | bhundven | lightspin: you can mount an iso... mount -o loop myisofile.iso /mnt/myiso |
| 03:39.06 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 03:39.08 | Crypticfortune_ | Azar: well, i have two servers, both of which have identical iptable settings. one works allows ftp PASV stuff, and one doesn't. if something is temporarily changing the iptable settings, i don't know what it is.... |
| 03:39.09 | bhundven | right |
| 03:39.15 | lightspin | will a game reconize it as a cd? |
| 03:39.25 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:39.59 | bhundven | what game? |
| 03:39.59 | \amethyst | Azar: send a memo to your bosses in writing recommending this, so you can CYA when they get fired :) |
| 03:39.59 | bhundven | ^^^^ |
| 03:39.59 | \amethyst | Azar: backups, etc. |
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| 03:41.03 | lightspin | is there anything else you can think of that could perhaps get this CDROM working??? |
| 03:41.19 | jetscreamer | burn it to cd? |
| 03:42.08 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune_: it's more likely the ip_nat_ftp or ip_conntrack_ftp module being loaded on one and not the other |
| 03:42.45 | bhundven | lightspin: is this an ide cdrom? |
| 03:42.55 | lightspin | yes |
| 03:42.59 | \amethyst | bhundven: yes, and the kernel doesn't seem to see his IDE at all |
| 03:43.17 | lightspin | i did install this debian os from this cdrom |
| 03:43.29 | bhundven | wtf? can you post your dmesg somewhere with lspci -vv as well? |
| 03:43.34 | \amethyst | bhundven: ide0 says module not found, and modprobe via82cxxx didn't work |
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| 03:44.16 | rpc | is it true that ext3 uses alot of cpu? |
| 03:44.32 | lightspin | if yuo tell me what exact commands you want |
| 03:44.38 | bhundven | dmesg |
| 03:44.40 | bhundven | lspci -vv |
| 03:44.44 | lightspin | ok |
| 03:45.00 | bhundven | or |
| 03:45.00 | Kronuz | \amethyst, I'm trying to combine it with the scripts in the package |
| 03:45.08 | bhundven | dmesg > dmesg.txt |
| 03:45.16 | bhundven | lspci -vv > lspci.txt |
| 03:45.23 | Kronuz | (the reiser4 patch) but I'm getting a "patch for 2.6.18 not found" |
| 03:45.33 | Kronuz | after the dry run test |
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| 03:46.03 | MajorPayne | What file should I edit the global $PATH in Debian Etch? |
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| 03:46.14 | bhundven | /etc/profile |
| 03:46.47 | MajorPayne | Ahh, thank you. |
| 03:46.49 | Azar | \amethyst: someone's head gonna fly and that someone not gonna be me |
| 03:46.59 | bhundven | er...actually |
| 03:47.07 | \amethyst | Kronuz: there's probably a control file somewhere in the package that says what kernel version it's for |
| 03:47.10 | \amethyst | Kronuz: I dunno |
| 03:47.22 | bhundven | MajorPayne: edit it in /etc/login.defs |
| 03:47.35 | Kronuz | I'm trying... |
| 03:47.51 | Kronuz | now it says: dpkg: /usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/reiser4/reiser4-for-2.6.18-3.patch.gz not found. |
| 03:47.58 | Kronuz | :P |
| 03:48.02 | Azar | \amethyst: I just keep playing with numbers nice in my box dreaming of Debian Etch... |
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| 03:48.31 | \amethyst | Kronuz: so put the patch there |
| 03:48.43 | Kronuz | it is there |
| 03:48.50 | Kronuz | (that's the weird thing) |
| 03:48.57 | lightspin | how do i pump it all to a file? |
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| 03:49.07 | Kronuz | and why is it dpkg the one trying to open it o_O? |
| 03:49.16 | bhundven | lightspin, scroll up |
| 03:49.25 | lightspin | ahh, ok |
| 03:49.31 | Kronuz | well, that's after the "patch succeeded" tho' |
| 03:49.45 | Kronuz | "Removing empty files" it says |
| 03:49.53 | Kronuz | but I'm not sure it really did anything |
| 03:49.57 | anson | i'm printing to a samsung ml2250 laser printer that i'm connected to via a 10Mb print server. if i print any amount of text it warms up and starts spitting the pages out, but if i send a tif to it (ls -l reports about 2.5MB) it takes literally 5 to 10 minutes before it prints anything. i'm using cups with the foomatic/pxlmono driver specifically for this printer. |
| 03:50.09 | \amethyst | Kronuz: so see if the reiser4 driver is there now :) |
| 03:50.27 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 03:50.35 | Kronuz | in the source code... where should it be? |
| 03:50.58 | Kronuz | oh |
| 03:51.02 | \amethyst | Kronuz: somewhere in fs/ I'm sure |
| 03:51.02 | Kronuz | it seems it's there :) |
| 03:51.13 | Kronuz | yeah, I'll try to compile now :) |
| 03:51.14 | Kronuz | thanks |
| 03:51.15 | Azar | \amethyst: haha hey that goes right for my company to buy: http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6172279.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news |
| 03:53.27 | bhundven | I think I'm going to make a game, where the objective of the game is to jump to different random conclusions... |
| 03:53.34 | lightspin | bhundven, it wont paste on pastebin, i keep getting errors |
| 03:53.43 | jetscreamer | so your servers were running reiser Azar ? |
| 03:53.50 | Kronuz | is there a way to not have that lost+fouund folder in my partitions? |
| 03:53.51 | bhundven | lightspin: what errors? |
| 03:53.54 | Kronuz | what is that for? |
| 03:53.59 | Azar | jetscreamer: no? |
| 03:54.02 | jetscreamer | Kronuz: use a different fs |
| 03:54.05 | lightspin | Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145) |
| 03:54.05 | lightspin | insert into pastebin (poster, domain, posted, format, code, parent_pid, expires,expiry_flag) values ('s', '', now(), 'text', 'Linux version 2\.4\.27-3-386 \(pbuilder@dl360-g3\) \(gcc version 3\.3\.5 \(Debian 1\:3\.3\.5-13\)\) #1 Wed Dec 6 00\:38\:33 UTC 2006\r\nBIOS-provided physical RAM map\:\r\n BIOS-e820\] |
| 03:54.09 | jetscreamer | that's an ext related thingy |
| 03:54.22 | lightspin | dunno, pumping out garbage |
| 03:54.42 | jetscreamer | it's for lost, and found, files, iirc |
| 03:55.21 | bhundven | lightspin: tryp pasting on http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:55.53 | Crypticfortune_ | ¥amethyst: thanks! that seems to be the case |
| 03:56.03 | tastygoat | ****edcompany isent for sale then? |
| 03:56.13 | bhundven | hmm. I just remembered that tonight is april fools |
| 03:56.43 | Crypticfortune_ | hmm, ¥amethyst, i can't type your name with my keyboard config =p |
| 03:57.05 | Azar | :) " The only reason people use the antiquated QWERTY keyboard layout is because they've never experienced the power and flexibility of Dr. August Dvorak's simplified eponymous layout. Make it your job to school these people. Yd.f-nn ydabt frg nay.p " |
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| 03:57.22 | \amethyst | Cthulhu fthagn! |
| 03:57.26 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:57.53 | tastygoat | great success |
| 03:58.28 | etrask | So... this probably isn't the place but #grub is slow.. anyway, if I have Linux installed on a drive into which I cannot boot, how can I install GRUB so I'm given the choice of booting into either Windows (shudder) or Linux? I don't want to re-install... |
| 03:59.33 | bhundven | etrask: this on debian? you can boot to your linux install cd and chroot to your harddrive and rerun grub-install |
| 03:59.39 | Azar | etrask: a noob's thought here: use a rescue disk? |
| 03:59.50 | Kronuz | how do I change the permissions for the root of a partition? |
| 03:59.53 | etrask | bhundven: yes, it's debian |
| 04:00.07 | Kronuz | as to let users write in the root of the partition |
| 04:00.16 | etrask | bhundven: chroot? I'm afraid I'm Linux-ly retarded |
| 04:00.25 | Kronuz | (I'll be using the partition for files backups) |
| 04:00.37 | bhundven | etrask: yea. so boot the debian cd and change to terminal 2 (alt+f2) and mount your harddrive and chroot /mnt/mydrive /bin/bash |
| 04:00.41 | Kronuz | ... I wonder if ext3 is the best file system for that... |
| 04:00.51 | bhundven | after your in the chroot, just run grub |
| 04:01.24 | etrask | bhundven: okay, I know how to do that. but what does the chroot prog do? |
| 04:01.54 | bhundven | etrask, it changes your root directory to the defined directory and runs the second argument |
| 04:02.06 | bhundven | which is the shell |
| 04:02.06 | etrask | ah, cool |
| 04:02.12 | etrask | and then run grub-install... will try, thanks |
| 04:02.17 | bhundven | well |
| 04:02.20 | lightspin | bhundven, you get the pm of the URL's? |
| 04:02.21 | bhundven | my bad. run grub |
| 04:02.23 | etrask | (gotta download the CD first) |
| 04:02.28 | etrask | oh, okay |
| 04:02.35 | xtknight | instead of chroot what about sudo grub-install --root-directory=...? |
| 04:02.52 | \amethyst | Kronuz: if it's ext3, you use chown and chmod like normal |
| 04:02.58 | Azar | hey this one is good, gonna do it tomorrow to all in the office: " Take a screenshot of your friend's desktop and make it their desktop wallpaper. Minimize any open applications and hide all of the desktop icons or ferret them away in a folder -- don't delete anything. Then, set the Windows taskbar to auto-hide." |
| 04:03.16 | etrask | haha |
| 04:03.28 | etrask | that's COLD, azar |
| 04:03.28 | bhundven | cause grub-install will only install the files from /usr/share/grub into /boot, whereas running grub and specifying the root and installing grub to the right hard drive will actually install the mbr |
| 04:03.31 | Kronuz | \amethyst, but how, in the root? |
| 04:03.38 | bobloblian | Azar: I read the release notes as you suggested, according to it, I need to upgrade the kernel before I upgrade to etch |
| 04:03.49 | etrask | bhundven: and this won't overwrite anything, right? |
| 04:03.52 | \amethyst | Kronuz: where's the filesystem mounted? |
| 04:03.57 | Kronuz | \amethyst, as "chmod 755 ." in the directory? |
| 04:04.02 | \amethyst | Kronuz: yes |
| 04:04.04 | lightspin | bhundven, you get the pm of the URL's? |
| 04:04.09 | bhundven | lightspin, no |
| 04:04.09 | Azar | etrask: I already hear the ladies: my pc is frozen! |
| 04:04.11 | xtknight | bhundven, odd, i thought that grub-install --root-directory=/asdf (hd0) would use /asdf as a root and rewrite the MBR to (hd0) |
| 04:04.15 | \amethyst | Kronuz: that will change the root of the filesystem, and *not* the underlying directory |
| 04:04.21 | bobloblian | however, apt-cache only gives me kernel-image, up to 2.6.8, shoudl I upgrade to that, then upgrade to etch, then move to linux-image-2.6.18? |
| 04:04.22 | Kronuz | \amethyst, hmm.. let me try |
| 04:04.23 | Azar | bobloblian: what kernel are you using? |
| 04:04.32 | bhundven | xtknight, I could be wrong. I don't screw up my harddrive everyday. ;) |
| 04:04.34 | bobloblian | it has 2.4.27 |
| 04:04.39 | xtknight | bhundven, i do :P |
| 04:04.42 | bhundven | hahaha |
| 04:04.43 | etrask | I do too, sadly |
| 04:04.43 | bobloblian | this is a remote box, else I would just try it... |
| 04:04.45 | xtknight | bhundven, and it has always worked for me hehe |
| 04:04.51 | Azar | bobloblian: you should first go to 2.6.8... so to be safe |
| 04:04.55 | bhundven | well. you learn something new everyday |
| 04:04.59 | xtknight | prolly just because i dont know how to use chroot |
| 04:05.04 | etrask | Windows is REALLY awful, but unfortunately I love me some games |
| 04:05.07 | xtknight | i'd just do it thatway |
| 04:05.15 | Azar | then, you change your sources to point to etch, and use aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 04:05.22 | Kronuz | hmm.. how much disk space will I need to compile the kernel? |
| 04:05.28 | bhundven | lightspin, are you afraid of posting the urls here? |
| 04:05.48 | bhundven | cause I don't see you pm'ing me anything |
| 04:05.55 | Azar | bobloblian: then, you search: apt-cache search linux-kernel and look for 2.6.18 for your specific architecture |
| 04:06.11 | lightspin | yeah, thats alot of specific system info |
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| 04:06.33 | \amethyst | Kronuz: maybe half a gig to a gig |
| 04:06.34 | Azar | don't forget to run /sbin/lilo before you reboot after the 2.6.8 kernel upgrade. |
| 04:06.48 | \amethyst | Kronuz: depending on how much stuff you're compiling |
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| 04:06.50 | Azar | err if you use lilo |
| 04:06.57 | \amethyst | Kronuz: that's including the source that you already have |
| 04:07.12 | bobloblian | Azar: this has grub installed, I am not as familiar with it, but I hear its better... |
| 04:07.24 | Kronuz | I hope the 2 gigs I still have are enough :S |
| 04:07.48 | bobloblian | Azar: thanks for the input, here goes nothing... |
| 04:07.54 | Azar | bobloblian: if you run grub it is ok, install 2.6.8 for your cpu architecture, reboot , then change your /etc/apt/sources.list to etch on each source. aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 04:08.07 | \amethyst | Kronuz: apt-get autoclean will free up some space in /var :) |
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| 04:08.21 | Azar | bobloblian: nothing? |
| 04:08.31 | \amethyst | Kronuz: depending on how frequently you update packages, it could free a lot of space :) |
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| 04:08.40 | Kronuz | \amethyst, thanks :) |
| 04:08.53 | bhundven | lightspin: which dist is this? |
| 04:09.01 | Kronuz | \amethyst, I always manually deleted the .deb files ^_^ |
| 04:09.03 | bhundven | sarge? |
| 04:09.18 | \amethyst | Kronuz: apt-get clean will free up even more |
| 04:09.36 | \amethyst | Kronuz: apt-get clean removes everything, but leaves the lock file |
| 04:09.46 | lightspin | sarg |
| 04:09.46 | Kronuz | oh |
| 04:09.51 | lightspin | *sarge |
| 04:10.00 | bobloblian | Azar: hopefully nothing yes. just want a clean no problems upgrade |
| 04:10.15 | Kronuz | hey, does anybody know a way I can open corel's cdr files in linux? |
| 04:10.49 | bhundven | lightspin: idk if sarge has update-pciids, but if it does could you run that and rerun the lspci -vv |
| 04:10.51 | Kronuz | (or convert them to svg or something) |
| 04:11.00 | Azar | bobloblian: the 2.6.8 kernel upgrade goes usually well |
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| 04:11.17 | tastygoat | should testing "Etch" cd 1 be good with sata disks? I'm about to install... |
| 04:11.18 | bhundven | lightspin: it will update your pci id file, which will probably help figure out what your ide device is |
| 04:11.25 | Azar | hehe I found a prank for fat ladies on my office, im gonna brag that I got this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/gastron.shtml |
| 04:11.58 | bobloblian | funny, I've been using debian for all sorts of things for 3 years, but have never once used a stable version or a 2.4 kernel, how did that happen? |
| 04:11.59 | bhundven | Azar, hahhaa |
| 04:12.23 | Azar | bobloblian: you might have been using woody |
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| 04:12.44 | etrask | azar: i hope that's a joke, that thing seems intensely unsafe :P |
| 04:13.06 | Azar | haha, is more powerful than a chocolate bar for the ladies |
| 04:13.08 | Crypticfortune_ | where does documentation for kernel modules live? lets say i want to find out what this module "x_tables" is doing.... |
| 04:13.16 | tastygoat | what kernel come with etch should I just install? |
| 04:13.25 | etrask | 2.6 I think is default |
| 04:13.28 | Azar | tastygoat: 2.6.18 |
| 04:13.35 | etrask | pfft, .18 |
| 04:13.56 | tastygoat | ok kool ill come back if it works |
| 04:14.08 | Azar | etrask: sniffing your behind I detect a strong gentoo odor |
| 04:14.25 | etrask | NEVER! |
| 04:14.32 | Azar | etrask: ok maybe a bit of sid? |
| 04:14.39 | bhundven | Azar, you sniff peoples behinds? |
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| 04:14.42 | bhundven | weirdo |
| 04:14.44 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune_: somewhere in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<version>/Documentation/ probably |
| 04:15.03 | Azar | bhundven: he just farted : < etrask> pfft, .18 |
| 04:15.03 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune_: and in the source code |
| 04:15.19 | bhundven | lol |
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| 04:15.41 | etrask | but in all actuality I've got my deb install CD so I'm going to try to install grub |
| 04:15.45 | etrask | back if successful! |
| 04:15.49 | etrask | ...or not, I don't know |
| 04:15.50 | bhundven | k |
| 04:15.53 | bhundven | g'luck |
| 04:15.54 | etrask | thanks guys |
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| 04:16.33 | \amethyst | Kronuz: a web search (as well as testing inkscape, oodraw, etc.) indicates that not much out there supports Corel Draw files |
| 04:17.00 | \amethyst | Kronuz: wine + corel draw might open them :) |
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| 04:17.13 | \amethyst | then there are plenty of supported formats you can export to |
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| 04:17.41 | bhundven | lightspin, are you still alive? |
| 04:18.41 | lightspin | yep, message pending... |
| 04:19.02 | bhundven | ah. there we go |
| 04:19.26 | bhundven | before: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0259 |
| 04:19.32 | bhundven | after: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN400/PM880 Host Bridge |
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| 04:20.18 | Kronuz | \amethyst, :) |
| 04:20.21 | Kronuz | I'll try wine |
| 04:20.39 | Kronuz | I found a cdr2svg tool tho' |
| 04:20.40 | bhundven | lightspin: so now that you have updated pciids, you should update your initrd file: update-initrd (which would be update-initramfs on etch+) |
| 04:20.44 | bhundven | and then reboot |
| 04:20.45 | Kronuz | I'll check if I can make it work |
| 04:22.33 | Kronuz | what's the lost+found directory for in ext3? |
| 04:23.07 | xtknight | Kronuz, it should be in / |
| 04:23.07 | jetscreamer | exactly what it says |
| 04:23.08 | bhundven | lightspin, the line out of that lspci that was most in question is this one: 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) |
| 04:23.12 | Kronuz | also, how can I benchmark the partition throughput |
| 04:23.16 | Kronuz | xtknight, it is at / |
| 04:23.21 | Kronuz | but what is it for? |
| 04:23.34 | xtknight | Kronuz, ohh. i believe it is for broken file fragments recovered by fsck |
| 04:23.39 | bhundven | lightspin, and probably because the pciids file was out of date, it didn't know how to load the driver |
| 04:23.41 | Kronuz | oh |
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| 04:26.27 | bhundven | lightspin: on the otherhand, kernel 2.4 might not know how to deal with this host bridge, and you would probably need to find a driver that is backported to 2.4, or you need to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 04:26.47 | Kronuz | also, is there a way I can move my /tmp to another partition? |
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| 04:26.52 | xtknight | Kronuz, as for throughput, use sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/blockdevice |
| 04:27.10 | xtknight | Kronuz, remove it from the root partition and mount a /tmp |
| 04:27.37 | Kronuz | can I just make /tmp a symbolic link to a directory in a partition |
| 04:28.06 | bhundven | Kronuz: that is a bad idea |
| 04:28.29 | Kronuz | bhundven, why? |
| 04:28.39 | bhundven | permissions |
| 04:28.44 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 04:28.48 | Kronuz | what about them? |
| 04:28.58 | Kronuz | I can still control the permissions, can't I? |
| 04:29.07 | \amethyst | Kronuz: what happens before the partition is mounted? |
| 04:29.37 | bhundven | just add this to your fstab: /dev/yourtmppartition /tmp ext3 mode=1777,noexec,nodev 0 |
| 04:30.14 | bhundven | remove everything from tmp: rm -rf /tmp |
| 04:30.17 | \amethyst | Kronuz: you can bind-mount another directory over /tmp |
| 04:30.18 | bhundven | and mount /tmp |
| 04:30.28 | \amethyst | if it's not the root of its filesystem |
| 04:30.39 | Kronuz | the thing is I wanted to make a separated partition using RAID0 instead of RAID1 and using reiser4 instead of ext3 |
| 04:30.48 | bhundven | bah. I deleted tmp in my example. don't do that |
| 04:30.53 | bhundven | ;) |
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| 04:31.16 | Kronuz | and use that partition to hold files that are not very important to have in RAID1 and to which I'd want the fastest access |
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| 04:31.34 | Kronuz | (and tmp files also fit that description) |
| 04:31.47 | Kronuz | I have my swap in a RAID0 as well |
| 04:31.49 | lightspin | well i tend to run on 2.6, but someone suggested that a module was ranamed in 2.6 possible preventing me from loading the porper module. |
| 04:31.49 | levander` | Is there a command line command to get the md5 sum of a specified string? |
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| 04:32.12 | lightspin | so would i do the same things from 2.6 or if i update-initrd from here, and re boot into 2.6 is the same? |
| 04:32.51 | bhundven | lightspin: you will need to update-pciids under 26 and run update-initrd or update-initramfs, depending on which one is there. |
| 04:32.56 | bhundven | and then reboot. yea. |
| 04:33.06 | Kronuz | bhundven, (and the symbolic link was to share the partition between tmp and my other fast access files) |
| 04:34.33 | Kronuz | (/tmp grows a lot when I create DVDs, for instance, but it'd be wasted space to have say 10Gigs there, I believe) |
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| 04:35.28 | lightspin | okie dokies bhundven |
| 04:35.32 | lightspin | be back in a bit |
| 04:35.33 | bhundven | Kronuz: from a security standpoint, that is a bad idea. if you don't keep proper permissions on /tmp bad things will happen. : http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s4.10 |
| 04:35.38 | bhundven | lightspin: cool |
| 04:36.01 | Kronuz | bhundven, because of the execution permissions? |
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| 04:36.15 | bhundven | *YES* |
| 04:36.35 | Kronuz | hmm.. I see |
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| 04:37.09 | Kronuz | isn't there a way to make a symbolic link with special permissions or something? |
| 04:37.32 | Kronuz | or have a directory that avoids executing anything in it, or setting execution permissions to anything inside |
| 04:37.46 | bhundven | why do you want to do this to tmp? I guess I don't really understand your application of symlinking to /tmp |
| 04:37.55 | Azar | Kronuz: question: why would you want to give users root permissions? in any partition? |
| 04:37.56 | Kronuz | (I'm not even sure reiser4 is a good choice for tmp...) |
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| 04:38.18 | Kronuz | I'll probably just create a separate partition for tmp |
| 04:38.27 | Kronuz | but how big.... |
| 04:38.38 | Kronuz | I know the DVD images are put there |
| 04:38.47 | bhundven | tmpfs is probably the best filesystem for /tmp |
| 04:38.49 | bhundven | ;) |
| 04:38.59 | bobloblian | Azar: there went nothing :) |
| 04:39.02 | Kronuz | tmpfs? o_O |
| 04:39.08 | bobloblian | thanks |
| 04:39.13 | Azar | bobloblian: which nothing? nothing 1 or nothing 2? |
| 04:39.34 | bhundven | Kronuz: cat /proc/filesystems | grep tmpfs |
| 04:39.39 | bhundven | does that come back empty? |
| 04:39.42 | bobloblian | both nothings, and hopig to add nothing 3 to the pile of nothing |
| 04:39.56 | bobloblian | s/hopig/hoping/ |
| 04:40.03 | Azar | bobloblian: you already got past 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 ? |
| 04:40.07 | Kronuz | bhundven, nodev tmpfs |
| 04:40.12 | Kronuz | that's what I get |
| 04:40.13 | bhundven | awesome, you have tmpfs |
| 04:40.27 | Kronuz | but how does that work? |
| 04:40.31 | Kronuz | using swap? |
| 04:40.33 | Kronuz | or something |
| 04:40.35 | bobloblian | got 2.6.8, dist-upgraded, going to do a custom kernel now |
| 04:40.42 | Kronuz | or memory |
| 04:40.55 | Kronuz | what about huge files like DVD images? |
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| 04:41.30 | Azar | bobloblian: why custom? |
| 04:42.17 | Azar | bobloblian: stay nice and get a precompiled 2.6.18. |
| 04:42.22 | bhundven | Kronuz: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.20.y.git;a=blob_plain;f=Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt;hb=HEAD |
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| 04:42.44 | haiger | hi, can i talk to a network staffer please |
| 04:43.09 | Azar | bohooo #freenode and wait until you are given voice |
| 04:43.12 | simonrvn | #freenode-social, and do /stats p to find one |
| 04:43.41 | simonrvn | or email them |
| 04:43.58 | Kronuz | bhundven, I suppose I won't be able to create DVD images then |
| 04:44.03 | Kronuz | if I use tmpfs |
| 04:44.20 | bobloblian | Azar: my mentor (way back when) always taught me custom kernels were faster and more secure... you don't agree with that? |
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| 04:44.24 | bhundven | then you are probably better off making a seperate partition |
| 04:44.32 | Kronuz | (the images are put in /tmp and I only have 2Gigs of memory and 2 gigs of swap |
| 04:44.34 | simonrvn | wth are you downloading to /tmp for anyway? |
| 04:44.40 | Azar | bobloblian: more secure than a debian kernel can't be |
| 04:45.05 | Kronuz | simonrvn, downloading what? creating the images there, you mean? |
| 04:45.07 | Azar | attention everyone: I just found by surfing that Etch is READY but they don't want to release it so soon |
| 04:45.16 | Kronuz | simonrvn, my gnome creates them there |
| 04:45.36 | simonrvn | *shrug*, i don't use gnome |
| 04:45.52 | Kronuz | I wonder if it's possible to resize a RAID1 partition |
| 04:46.00 | Kronuz | (as to make more room for my swap |
| 04:46.01 | Azar | bhundven: you gonna buy that hungerometer? |
| 04:46.08 | bhundven | no |
| 04:46.11 | bhundven | I'm going to get a pizza |
| 04:46.47 | bhundven | like normal people |
| 04:46.48 | Azar | normal people eat cheese with onions and drink beer |
| 04:46.52 | bhundven | right... |
| 04:47.13 | GhostlyDeath | "Disable Microsoft Windows Compatibility?" "Some files don't have a suitable name for Windows-compatible CD. Do you want to continue with Windows compatibility disabled?" |
| 04:47.17 | simonrvn | according to some definitions of "normal" |
| 04:47.18 | GhostlyDeath | this mean it won't work in windows? |
| 04:47.25 | bhundven | simonrvn: :-P |
| 04:47.45 | Azar | "Do you want to remove Windows? - yes " |
| 04:47.58 | simonrvn | format C:\ |
| 04:48.06 | bhundven | simonrvn: most people do not starve themselves: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/gastron.shtml |
| 04:48.10 | GhostlyDeath | format /y c: *** |
| 04:48.15 | Azar | rm *.* |
| 04:48.27 | simonrvn | ah ok, been a *log* while ;) |
| 04:48.28 | GhostlyDeath | that doesn't work |
| 04:48.32 | simonrvn | long* |
| 04:48.33 | GhostlyDeath | only removes the current directly |
| 04:48.50 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone got an awnser to my question? |
| 04:49.13 | simonrvn | that's a windows question |
| 04:49.17 | bhundven | !ask |
| 04:49.17 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: we only do Debian, Insert a Debian installer CD and install over Windows |
| 04:49.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:49.43 | bhundven | mostly quoting: If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 04:50.02 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: A windows question comming from Linux? fine then... |
| 04:50.11 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: like this: reboot the box, press Del until you get the bios settings, make the CD primary boot, insert the Debian CD and start the installation |
| 04:50.15 | simonrvn | sounded like it, sorry :) |
| 04:50.24 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: yes |
| 04:50.34 | GhostlyDeath | Azar: delete does nothing |
| 04:50.34 | simonrvn | to answer you |
| 04:50.56 | bhundven | f2? |
| 04:51.02 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: I know that why I told you to install Debian from the boot start, it will format the HD and delete all in it. |
| 04:51.20 | Azar | ... and ofcourse will install Debian |
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| 04:52.27 | Azar | that what I did almost four years ago and man I was shaking "ahhh how am I gonna live without windows? I am lost" |
| 04:52.59 | GhostlyDeath | simonrvn: which question? |
| 04:53.22 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: the question you asked before |
| 04:53.42 | crm_ | what's the command to configure X? |
| 04:53.46 | GhostlyDeath | The one about it not working or the windows question? |
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| 04:54.03 | alaya | Azar: aha. my first thought was "thank GOD i found something other than this POS OS" |
| 04:54.04 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: both |
| 04:54.05 | bhundven | crm_: xorgcfg -textmode |
| 04:54.08 | crm_ | Xcfg or something? |
| 04:54.21 | crm_ | hrm.. haven't seen that one |
| 04:54.23 | Azar | alaya: it hurted like when you pull a bad tooth |
| 04:55.13 | crm_ | naa.. there's one like xfcfg?? |
| 04:55.24 | Azar | hehe I had a moment last week when I booted up an old windows box to search some old files... it asked me to renew my a/v and firewall subscription.. |
| 04:55.26 | bhundven | yea |
| 04:55.28 | bhundven | hang on |
| 04:55.36 | alaya | Azar: ow. please don't remind me of teeth! |
| 04:56.10 | Azar | good night honorables and remember, only 14 bugs away from Etch !! :) |
| 04:56.12 | simonrvn | !drxx |
| 04:56.13 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:56.19 | simonrvn | crm_: ^^^ |
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| 04:56.33 | simonrvn | don't touch xorgcfg or whatthefuckever it is |
| 04:56.53 | bhundven | yea. odd, was that removed? |
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| 04:57.39 | Crypticfortune_ | amethyst: do you know what ip_conntrack_ftp is really doing? why are connections tagged by that thing able to pass through my iptables? (are they tagged RELATED or something?) |
| 04:57.51 | GhostlyDeath | Everything is going so slow! |
| 04:59.01 | Kronuz | hey, I have had this question for some time now... how can I put accents in my box if I'm using a US keyboard and layout? |
| 04:59.12 | Kronuz | (like french accents and stuff) |
| 04:59.19 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a Macromedia Flash Package for amd64? |
| 04:59.28 | Kronuz | I tried the Windows method (ALT+ASCII) but it doesn't work in linux :( |
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| 04:59.41 | simonrvn | compose key |
| 04:59.49 | Kronuz | simonrvn, how? |
| 04:59.54 | Kronuz | what's the compose key? |
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| 05:00.17 | simonrvn | allows you to do things like é |
| 05:00.25 | simonrvn | on a kbd |
| 05:00.35 | Crypticfortune_ | related question, for some reason, from one of my firewalled servers ftp works without passive mode. i assumed ip_conntrack_ftp was catching the PORT stuff the same way it also caught PASV, but adding ip_conntrack_ftp to the other firewalled boxes didn't let them run without passive mode. what else could be doing that? |
| 05:00.44 | Kronuz | simonrvn, exactly what I want, but how :S |
| 05:01.17 | simonrvn | config x/console for it |
| 05:01.31 | Kronuz | ... now that I had learned the ascii codes for lots of accents and stuff |
| 05:01.35 | Crypticfortune_ | GhostlyDeath: no. you can try nspluginwrapper, that got stuff working part way for me (mouse interaction was kind of broken) |
| 05:01.58 | Crypticfortune_ | GhostlyDeath: other than that, have to make an ia32 chroot and install a browser in that. |
| 05:02.07 | Kronuz | simonrvn, how or where? can you help me get it going plz :) |
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| 05:06.26 | nachos | hey |
| 05:06.36 | nachos | where can i find checksums for the debian isos |
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| 05:06.58 | alaya | Kronuz: for xkboptions use "compose:ralt" |
| 05:07.15 | alaya | or rwin if you have win key |
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| 05:09.29 | etrask | bhundven: any help about why, when I try to mount my hd from the installer shell, I get a "(device) could not be found fstab" error? |
| 05:09.50 | bhundven | ah. you have an older install disk that uses devfs |
| 05:09.59 | bhundven | ? |
| 05:10.11 | etrask | Dunno... I just downloaded it, Etch AMD64 net installer |
| 05:10.43 | bhundven | how are you trying to mount it? |
| 05:10.52 | etrask | mount /dev/sdb / |
| 05:11.16 | bhundven | so your trying to mount the whole drive. might want to try a partition: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 05:11.19 | bhundven | don't mount it to / |
| 05:11.42 | etrask | I will try that... |
| 05:11.49 | bhundven | no worries. |
| 05:11.58 | etrask | I think that drive is in like 5 partitions |
| 05:12.07 | bhundven | fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 05:12.16 | etrask | haha... that'd help |
| 05:12.17 | etrask | okay, thanks |
| 05:12.26 | etrask | back, again, if successful |
| 05:12.31 | bhundven | k |
| 05:12.35 | crm_ | xf86cfg is locking my computer up? |
| 05:12.51 | crm_ | its a new kernel.. so i might have missed something? |
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| 05:15.52 | bhundven | god eclipse is finicky |
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| 05:16.49 | lightspin | bhundven, still there? |
| 05:16.52 | bhundven | yup |
| 05:17.05 | lightspin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.05 | lightspin | /usr/sbin/update-initrd: could not open /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 |
| 05:17.20 | bhundven | is /boot on a different partition? |
| 05:17.24 | lightspin | no |
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| 05:18.01 | bhundven | hrmm. |
| 05:18.20 | bhundven | ls -la /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 |
| 05:18.34 | bhundven | does this produce anything? maybe try: ls -la /boot/vmlinuz |
| 05:19.27 | lightspin | update-initrd 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 05:19.27 | lightspin | /usr/sbin/update-initrd: could not find any kernel modules in |
| 05:19.27 | lightspin | /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386 |
| 05:19.52 | bhundven | huh. oh |
| 05:20.24 | GhostlyDeath | What do I want to use vlc? |
| 05:20.59 | lightspin | what do you want to use it for? watching media. video's. etc. |
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| 05:21.17 | GhostlyDeath | managine partitions |
| 05:21.20 | GhostlyDeath | managing* |
| 05:21.23 | GhostlyDeath | copying data |
| 05:21.31 | lightspin | umm. no. |
| 05:21.38 | Kronuz | alaya, but where do I configure it? |
| 05:21.40 | Kronuz | :( |
| 05:21.43 | GhostlyDeath | vmc? something? |
| 05:21.49 | bhundven | lightspin: I dont' have any computers that are older then etch. is there a kernel-modules package installed: dpkg -l | grep kernel-modules |
| 05:21.53 | alaya | !tell Kronuz about drxx |
| 05:22.12 | GhostlyDeath | oh lvm... |
| 05:22.26 | lightspin | nothing |
| 05:22.47 | Kronuz | alaya, so it's an X configuration thing then? |
| 05:22.51 | etrask | bhudven: :-( |
| 05:23.10 | alaya | Kronuz: yes, if you want the compose key under X |
| 05:23.11 | bhundven | etrask: ? |
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| 05:23.27 | Kronuz | alaya, so the compose key is the alt+ascii ? |
| 05:23.35 | etrask | Now when I try to mount ( 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt' ) it doesn't bitch about fstab, but it says I passed some invalid argument |
| 05:23.37 | Kronuz | (if I set it to be in altr) |
| 05:23.41 | GhostlyDeath | Nooo! the power flashed in and out |
| 05:23.43 | jstarj | Hey, i just got done upgrading my kernel (new compilation). How do i make a initrd image from there? (can't seem to google a strait answer) |
| 05:23.46 | GhostlyDeath | all the lights dimmed! |
| 05:23.48 | Kronuz | (or ralt) |
| 05:23.49 | lfs | I just added another HDD, how to tell if it alright? |
| 05:24.16 | alaya | Kronuz: http://infrablue.tripod.com/graphemes2.html |
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| 05:24.23 | bhundven | lightspin: so looks like you need to install the kernel-modules package |
| 05:24.56 | alaya | Kronuz: crap, there's a typo on that page |
| 05:24.59 | lfs | There is fdisk, anything else? |
| 05:25.31 | alaya | Kronuz: it should say "Or if you have a right windows key, enter compose:rwin" |
| 05:25.36 | lightspin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.37 | lightspin | ? |
| 05:25.42 | Kronuz | hmm.. I see I already have "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" there |
| 05:25.45 | bhundven | lightspin: hang on |
| 05:25.46 | Kronuz | what would that be? |
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| 05:25.57 | alaya | no idea |
| 05:26.01 | bhundven | lightspin: I don't have anything older then etch installed so I'm looking around really quick |
| 05:26.09 | etrask | bhundven, Now when I try to mount ( 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt' ) it doesn't bitch about fstab, but it says I passed some invalid argument |
| 05:26.17 | lfs | What is the name of the thing after etch? |
| 05:26.23 | etrask | (also apparently fdisk didn't come on the installer) |
| 05:26.29 | bhundven | etrask: yea... so I'm helping 2 people at once right now... gimmie a break for a sec ;) |
| 05:26.32 | lfs | No fdisk? |
| 05:26.36 | etrask | bhundven: no problem |
| 05:26.38 | lfs | I doubt that. |
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| 05:27.02 | haiger | how can i setup vncserver to start automaticly when the system boot |
| 05:27.16 | etrask | you can set your crontab to do it |
| 05:27.21 | Kronuz | okay, I have to restart, thanks for the help |
| 05:27.32 | Kronuz | alaya, I'll be back if I can't find out how to use it ;) |
| 05:27.36 | Kronuz | thanks |
| 05:27.37 | dexomsrc | So I have an MTP device that is recognized by libmtp (tested using "mtp-detect" command), but the Debian Amarok package doesn't have MTP support compiled in |
| 05:27.57 | dexomsrc | Is there a way to get MTP support in the Amarok package without having to compile the whole application from source not using APT? |
| 05:27.58 | etrask | haiger: type 'crontab -e' into a console, and in the file that opens up type '@reboot <your program's exactly command line here>' |
| 05:28.13 | militant | http://user.web.cern.ch/user/QuickLinks/Announcements/2007/LHCInnerTriplet.html |
| 05:28.58 | rpc | is there a command line tool that will allow me to repartition a drive? |
| 05:28.59 | bhundven | lightspin: so if you ls -la /lib/modules what do you see in there? |
| 05:29.14 | bhundven | rpc: fdisk? parted? |
| 05:29.45 | lightspin | ls -la /lib/modules |
| 05:29.45 | lightspin | total 16 |
| 05:29.45 | lightspin | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-03-02 06:32 . |
| 05:29.45 | lightspin | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2007-03-02 03:34 .. |
| 05:29.45 | lightspin | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-03-02 02:41 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 05:30.50 | rpc | bhundven hm |
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| 05:31.03 | rpc | bhundven i would need to cut a long partition into 2-3 smallers ones.. |
| 05:31.14 | bhundven | lightspin: oh yea... don't paste everything.. just the folder names ;) |
| 05:31.30 | bhundven | rpc: idk then... should have used lvm2 |
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| 05:32.07 | lightspin | kk |
| 05:32.08 | bhundven | etrask: idk man. make sure sdb even exists. maybe it's sda |
| 05:32.23 | etrask | bhundven: they both do... :( |
| 05:32.34 | unfo | etrask: sudo file -s /dev/sd* |
| 05:32.54 | rpc | what's the diff between type 86 and 87? they are both assigned to NTFS volume set |
| 05:32.58 | unfo | or, if you don't use sudo, then as root: file -s /dev/sd* |
| 05:32.59 | unfo | :) |
| 05:32.59 | rpc | in fdisk that is |
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| 05:33.11 | unfo | dpkg: dh_make_perl |
| 05:33.16 | etrask | unfo: I'd be running the commands on the installer ASH shell, so I'd be root |
| 05:33.17 | bhundven | rpc: idk. I don't use windows |
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| 05:33.25 | unfo | etrask: ah :) |
| 05:33.33 | rpc | bhundven if you don't know a thing just stop answering my questions.. |
| 05:33.39 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 05:33.40 | etrask | unfo: but will that help me mount it? |
| 05:33.50 | unfo | etrask: no, but it will tell you which one to mount. |
| 05:33.53 | etrask | unfo: what i'm trying to mount is ext3, i already know that (or it should be) |
| 05:33.53 | unfo | Is dpkg down? |
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| 05:34.22 | unfo | dpkg: ping |
| 05:34.22 | dpkg | pong |
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| 05:34.43 | etrask | alright, I'm off into virtual abstraction yet again |
| 05:34.43 | mynullvoid | I created a cronjob which suppose to execute another shell within, but the shell within seems not being executed, any idea why? |
| 05:34.56 | etrask | thanks bhundven/unfo... i'm pretty much guaranteed to be back |
| 05:35.12 | lightspin | bhundven, 2.4.27-3-386, 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 05:35.21 | dexomsrc | How can I tell if MTP support is compiled in to the Amarok 1.4.5 package in experimental? |
| 05:35.35 | lfs | What is MTP support? |
| 05:35.58 | enouf | !tardsday |
| 05:35.58 | dpkg | tardsday is probably sunday |
| 05:35.59 | unfo | dexomsrc: dows amarok --version work? |
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| 05:36.12 | unfo | wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol |
| 05:36.13 | bhundven | lightspin: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 05:36.24 | lightspin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.26 | alaya | dexomsrc: you could always look at the debian/rules fille of the source package and see what the compile options were |
| 05:37.13 | dexomsrc | It's rather inconvenient that libmtp ships with etch/sid but Amarok has no MTP support compiled in. |
| 05:37.40 | bhundven | lightspin: I'm not sure I will be able to help you. I don't have sarge installed anywhere, and some of the ways you deal with initrds with sarge have changed |
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| 05:38.16 | bhundven | lightspin: I would check with: update-initrd --help |
| 05:38.18 | GhostlyDeath | What should be first, /home or /? |
| 05:38.24 | lightspin | i've had NOTHING but trouble since i started dicking with linux. |
| 05:38.31 | crm_ | lol |
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| 05:38.37 | lightspin | not one damn thing has worked without spending 3 days fucking with it |
| 05:38.58 | lightspin | this shit is fucking USELESS! |
| 05:39.15 | enouf | Xpoop sucks ass .. w00t |
| 05:39.24 | enouf | !customer |
| 05:39.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 05:39.35 | bhundven | meh. I tried |
| 05:39.38 | alaya | dexomsrc: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/amarok/current/changelog |
| 05:39.38 | Kronuz | okay, I built my kernel (again) |
| 05:39.39 | GhostlyDeath | lol happy |
| 05:39.45 | Kronuz | and I got a new .deb file for it |
| 05:39.52 | GhostlyDeath | What program shows a bar diagram of my hard druve? |
| 05:39.52 | Kronuz | how should I install it now (this time) |
| 05:39.58 | enouf | bhundven: it's called "thinning the herd" ;-) |
| 05:40.12 | Kronuz | 'cause dpkg -i tells me there's already an installation there |
| 05:40.24 | enouf | wtf is a bar diagram? |
| 05:40.49 | GhostlyDeath | [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx][yyyyyyy][zzz][aaaaaaaaa] for example |
| 05:40.53 | Kronuz | should I just continue the package installation? or should I first purge my previous kernel (despise the other warning about doing so) |
| 05:40.55 | GhostlyDeath | showing where paritions reside in a drive |
| 05:41.00 | GhostlyDeath | in graphical bar form |
| 05:41.09 | enouf | showing wtf exactly? .. how many apples it ate last year? |
| 05:41.15 | dexomsrc | alaya: Oh look at that! They compiled support in the latest package in experimental! Thank you, that's very helpful, I'm going to install that package. |
| 05:41.33 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: likely qtparted, and others |
| 05:41.37 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: parition sizes and locations in graphical form |
| 05:41.50 | GhostlyDeath | gparted is loading |
| 05:41.53 | GhostlyDeath | just to see what that does |
| 05:41.55 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: and also maybe some other KDE disk usage apps |
| 05:42.05 | GhostlyDeath | Like Disk Management in Windows |
| 05:42.32 | bhundven | I really don't like this whole linux as a desktop thing. I've been using linux and unix for a really long time. While linux does have some very nice desktop features and support is only getting better, I just can't stand the desktop user community. This is unix (to be specific it's unix like). If you can't learn this and read manual pages, then friggin use windows or checkout mac or beos.. gawd. |
| 05:42.37 | enouf | I don;t know what winlusers use, or looks like |
| 05:43.25 | enouf | bhundven: many feel as you do .. just too afraid to speak up .. not me though :-) |
| 05:43.50 | GhostlyDeath | bhundven: because people are lazy bastards that can't do anything and expect people to do it for them |
| 05:44.00 | GhostlyDeath | look at Windows, Mac, Unix and Linux |
| 05:44.02 | enouf | !penixstrike winluser desktop migrators |
| 05:44.02 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking winluser desktop migrators to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:44.03 | bhundven | well shit. every answer I'm giving everybody comes from using google and reading manual pages |
| 05:44.26 | GhostlyDeath | damn "man 8" |
| 05:44.50 | GhostlyDeath | bhundven: people usually like getting human responses |
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| 05:45.07 | GhostlyDeath | like calling a number and a computer says "Are your cables plugged in?" "YES THE FUCKING CABLES ARE PLUGGED IN!" |
| 05:45.14 | xtknight | lol |
| 05:45.24 | GhostlyDeath | "Is the power on?" "..." |
| 05:45.25 | etrask | well, progress! |
| 05:45.30 | bhundven | etrask: ? |
| 05:45.42 | etrask | bhundven: I can at least mount the drives now |
| 05:45.47 | bhundven | sweet! |
| 05:45.55 | GhostlyDeath | bhundven: What's the purpose of /etc/? |
| 05:45.58 | etrask | (I'm such an idiot, I was just opening a console right when the installer started, before it loaded it's stuff from CD) |
| 05:46.14 | GhostlyDeath | Why was /bin created |
| 05:46.21 | GhostlyDeath | Why are we here? |
| 05:46.23 | Kronuz | after compiling my kernel for a second time how should I install it? |
| 05:46.29 | bhundven | GhostlyDeath: search google for 'linux FHS lsb' |
| 05:46.34 | Kronuz | (all that changes in the generated .deb file is the date) |
| 05:46.41 | Kronuz | (in the file name) |
| 05:46.57 | etrask | but now when I 'chroot /mnt /bin/sh' and try to use grub-install, grub-install says something about a wrapper and not having something installed |
| 05:47.09 | Kronuz | but I don't see a "dpkg --update" or anything like it |
| 05:47.22 | xtknight | Kronuz, did you use dpkg build |
| 05:47.23 | Kronuz | just install, remove and purge |
| 05:47.27 | xtknight | make-kpkg i mean |
| 05:47.28 | xtknight | brain fart |
| 05:47.37 | bhundven | etrask: ah. after chrooting in do: source /etc/profile |
| 05:47.40 | Kronuz | xtknight, yep |
| 05:47.48 | Kronuz | kpkg generated the .deb |
| 05:47.49 | xtknight | Kronuz, debs are in ../ |
| 05:47.49 | GhostlyDeath | oooo... |
| 05:48.04 | Kronuz | xtknight, yes, I see them, I had built the kernel a few days ago |
| 05:48.10 | xtknight | Kronuz, same ver num u mean? |
| 05:48.13 | xtknight | version number. |
| 05:48.21 | Kronuz | but now I built it again and the kernel has the same version and stuff |
| 05:48.25 | xtknight | ahh i see |
| 05:48.26 | xtknight | been there |
| 05:48.28 | Kronuz | (just the dates are different) |
| 05:48.28 | etrask | okay... and you mentioned earlier that I should run grub instead of grub-install... but I don't think 'grub' is on the drive |
| 05:48.30 | xtknight | i just purged my old one |
| 05:48.31 | etrask | is that a problem? |
| 05:48.35 | xtknight | purge force all |
| 05:48.39 | Kronuz | oh |
| 05:48.40 | xtknight | and then --install the new debs |
| 05:48.49 | xtknight | dont think it even matter that's it running. it's in RAM anyway |
| 05:48.54 | Kronuz | 'cause there was a big warning about it, so I was wondering :) |
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| 05:49.03 | nachos_ | heyo |
| 05:49.12 | etrask | mmmm... nachos |
| 05:49.14 | nachos_ | whats the first install CD, iso 1 or iso 2 |
| 05:49.15 | crm_ | is there a way to start a process in the background.. but quietly? |
| 05:49.19 | Kronuz | xtknight, but okay, sounds logical (just not reboot until the new one is in place) |
| 05:49.19 | xtknight | iso 1 |
| 05:49.24 | Kronuz | thanks :) |
| 05:49.24 | crm_ | im using <cmd>& |
| 05:49.32 | crm_ | but is still spitting output |
| 05:49.37 | GhostlyDeath | using gparted, can I manage partitions while using linux? |
| 05:49.39 | xtknight | Kronuz, ya heh |
| 05:49.44 | xtknight | GhostlyDeath, if they are not mounted |
| 05:49.46 | bhundven | xtknight: can you help etrask? I need to run. |
| 05:49.51 | GhostlyDeath | can I unmount / and /home ? |
| 05:49.54 | xtknight | bhundven, i think so |
| 05:49.57 | xtknight | GhostlyDeath, no |
| 05:49.58 | alaya | crm_: cmd 2>&1 /dev/null & |
| 05:50.01 | etrask | haha... I'm such a problem :P |
| 05:50.13 | crm_ | alaya =) |
| 05:50.14 | etrask | (thanks again bhundven) |
| 05:50.18 | xtknight | bit held up in #ubuntu with a n00b problem |
| 05:50.18 | bhundven | etrask: sorry I just got a call, and I have to talk abunch |
| 05:50.19 | xtknight | lol |
| 05:50.20 | alaya | crm_: oops |
| 05:50.20 | GhostlyDeath | so how do I unmount /home and / |
| 05:50.24 | xtknight | :O |
| 05:50.27 | alaya | crm_: cmd 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
| 05:50.28 | etrask | bhundven: not a problem at all |
| 05:50.33 | Kronuz | xtknight, I'm still struggling to understand how the initramfs work :P |
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| 05:50.38 | GhostlyDeath | if I did a LiveCD, I don't have to worry about it right? |
| 05:50.47 | Kronuz | I just run update-initramfs |
| 05:50.54 | crm_ | i'll never remember that alaya =/ |
| 05:51.00 | Kronuz | but I'm not sure where it gets the info and stuff to build it |
| 05:51.05 | nachos_ | how can i mount a DVD ? |
| 05:51.25 | Kronuz | like for instance when I installed dmraid, it updated the initfs |
| 05:51.33 | alaya | crm_: its pretty basic. in english it says redirect stderr to stdout and redirect stdout to /dev/null |
| 05:51.35 | Kronuz | (to put the files in it) |
| 05:51.43 | Kronuz | /sbin/dmraid and stuff |
| 05:51.50 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
| 05:51.59 | xtknight | ehh i have no idea |
| 05:52.03 | Kronuz | but how did the update-initramfs knew about dmraid and that it should have added it there |
| 05:52.15 | Gryfelhase | nachos: mount /dev/whateveryourdvddrivemaybe |
| 05:52.26 | xtknight | i suppose you should wait for the 'deb'igods to arrive |
| 05:52.31 | GhostlyDeath | lvm right? |
| 05:53.16 | nachos_ | hmm |
| 05:53.22 | nachos_ | what file system type is DVD? |
| 05:54.13 | blenna_unix | how do i find out what mount point my audio card is on? |
| 05:54.14 | Gryfelhase | nachos: Not sure abouzt movei-dvds.... data-dvds should be iso9660 |
| 05:54.26 | nachos_ | thanks Gryfelhase |
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| 05:55.38 | Gryfelhase | oh man..... i need speed-recognitzion..... my typeing gets worse and worse :) |
| 05:56.38 | liable | i think movie ones are udf? |
| 05:57.32 | alaya | maybe the dvd+rw-tools docs say |
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| 05:59.33 | Kronuz | hey, in the linux software RAID, is it much faster to read from two disks in RAID1 than it is to read from a single non-RAID disk? (if the disks are the same kind and just for READING, not for writing) |
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| 05:59.47 | Kronuz | (has anyone done that test?) |
| 05:59.56 | Kronuz | .. or knows the answer |
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| 06:00.59 | rpc | are there better tools than top to check the actual system usage? |
| 06:01.10 | rpc | i suspect that top is giving me wrong info |
| 06:02.05 | liable | ps |
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| 06:02.44 | rpc | ps? |
| 06:02.50 | rpc | i meant cpu usage |
| 06:03.11 | rpc | or resources in general |
| 06:03.33 | liable | man ps |
| 06:03.49 | rpc | ...i will just try htop |
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| 06:08.25 | \amethyst | rpc: why do you suspect top is giving you wrong info? |
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| 06:12.33 | Gryfelhase | cpu usage means how much time uses the cpu expect from doing nothing |
| 06:12.33 | Gryfelhase | if im not wrong |
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| 06:13.25 | Gryfelhase | or ..... how much time it use for a special programm compared to the others |
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| 06:15.30 | etrask | This should be a simple task: |
| 06:16.07 | etrask | I'm in Linux right now, with both my Linux and Windows drives plugged in, but due to some... stuff.. I need to re-install grub on the MBR and have the grub boot menu point to everything corectly |
| 06:16.19 | etrask | (I basically need GRUB to re-scan the two drives and fix the mbr accordingly) |
| 06:16.24 | etrask | (like it did when I first installed Debian) |
| 06:17.07 | xtknight | ok |
| 06:17.11 | xtknight | sudo grub-install (hd0) |
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| 06:17.17 | xtknight | probably |
| 06:17.20 | Gryfelhase | rpc belongs your nickname to the acorn riscpc |
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| 06:17.49 | etrask | Zaphod:/home/etrask# grub-install (hd0) |
| 06:17.50 | etrask | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0' |
| 06:18.05 | unfo | etrask: '(hd0)' |
| 06:18.09 | etrask | oh... |
| 06:18.14 | etrask | also: synaptic wants to install a new GRUB right now |
| 06:18.15 | unfo | it got me too at first :) |
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| 06:18.22 | etrask | should I do that before or after fixing the mbr? |
| 06:19.00 | etrask | or does it matter at all? |
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| 06:21.42 | xtknight | sory |
| 06:21.43 | xtknight | been busy |
| 06:22.02 | xtknight | etrask, doesnt matter just get the update and re-update the mbr. i'd update first |
| 06:22.13 | enouf | !where were you |
| 06:22.13 | etrask | will do |
| 06:22.13 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 06:22.15 | xtknight | youll have to updatea the mbr after the update whatever the case |
| 06:22.23 | etrask | haha... botchicks indeed |
| 06:22.27 | etrask | okay |
| 06:22.36 | etrask | also: grub-install won't change menu.lst will it? |
| 06:23.22 | nvz | I don't think it pays any attention to that file |
| 06:23.40 | etrask | yeah |
| 06:23.54 | enouf | etrask: update-grub will |
| 06:24.06 | etrask | thing is... even when I have menu.lst point to (what i believe to be) the correct partition Windows doesn't like to boot |
| 06:24.10 | etrask | enouf: will do that too, thanks |
| 06:24.37 | enouf | etrask: see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 06:24.57 | enouf | nvz++ |
| 06:25.05 | phorce1 | Hmph! I guess my etch+2.4+Sparc systems are going to stay 2.4 and not move to 2.6. That makes 2 that blew up when trying to upgrade the kernel. |
| 06:25.30 | enouf | ouch |
| 06:26.12 | phorce1 | enouf: not hard to fix now that I know what to expect. the first one sucked though. |
| 06:27.38 | phorce1 | I just need to keep poking around for a way to do a clean upgrade to 2.6.15 or higher WITHOUT udev (but WITH initrd) then I can do a normal debian upgrade to the latest 2.6. |
| 06:27.51 | etrask | enouf: thank you very much for that URL |
| 06:27.57 | etrask | "super grub disk" would have been damn helpful... a week ago |
| 06:28.03 | enouf | heh |
| 06:28.27 | enouf | phorce1: how about Yaird for an initrd without udev? |
| 06:29.22 | phorce1 | It breaks because the initrd gets built under the current kernel and udev won't run with less than 2.6.15. Then when the system reboots udev can't start in the initrd and many devices aren't found. |
| 06:29.43 | enouf | why without udev? .. I mean I know the consternation behind the whole thing, but |
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| 06:30.25 | enouf | phorce1: backports perhaps? .. or atleast start with one, or a kmuto image? |
| 06:30.31 | phorce1 | enouf: I need a 2.6.15+ kernel running to get a clean initrd built with udev running already |
| 06:31.12 | phorce1 | enouf: I'll probably have to play in backports. The problem is that I dist-upgraded from sarge without first using backports to get 2.6 running nder sarge. |
| 06:31.14 | knoxy | hi all.. I'm trying to connect using a motorola v3 with GPRS.. but wvdial says "Apr 1 03:25:37 localhost pppd[14248]: Modem hangup" .. how can I do to fix this problem? |
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| 06:32.01 | enouf | hrmm |
| 06:32.17 | phorce1 | enouf: so now I'm already running Etch which has no 2.4 kernels at all and I'd rather the WHOLE system be Etch rather than some parts still Sarge |
| 06:32.29 | enouf | knoxy: got kppp? |
| 06:33.01 | enouf | phorce1: well . Etch will be there r-e-a-l- soon ;-) |
| 06:33.14 | liable | right... |
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| 06:33.19 | liable | :P |
| 06:33.25 | phorce1 | enouf: and, to top it off. These are Sparc64 machines. support is a bit limited. |
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| 06:34.01 | phorce1 | Etch is "there enough" I've been upgrading productions machines to tch for a few months now. |
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| 06:34.27 | enouf | but you still can;t use udev at all? |
| 06:35.06 | phorce1 | enouf: it's just the upgrade process on these Sparc64 machines where it seems to break. |
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| 06:35.49 | enouf | phorce1: ok .. I mean crap .. roll your own initramfs initrd or somthing |
| 06:35.49 | GhostlyDeath | ok, I'm Live Booting and using Gparted to change my disks around and Gaim to use IRC |
| 06:36.03 | phorce1 | Hmmm --- come to think of it, I believe I've done clean etch installs on the production machines. They might not upgrade nicely either. I need to build an i386 test box. |
| 06:36.32 | GhostlyDeath | ok, I needed to move / back abd forth |
| 06:36.36 | GhostlyDeath | so did i do this right... |
| 06:36.49 | GhostlyDeath | 1 I created a new parition which will be home, and copied all of / to it |
| 06:36.59 | phorce1 | enouf: I've never had to build an initrd by hand. That's a new learning curve that I'll have to do on a test box. |
| 06:37.20 | GhostlyDeath | would deleting the old / and making a new / and copying / over to the new / and deleting the first copy (sda1) of / workable? |
| 06:37.47 | enouf | phorce1: /msg dpkg initramfs and man mkinitramfs, etc .. the kernel docs are good too |
| 06:38.01 | enouf | phorce1: also wiki.debian.org maybe |
| 06:38.14 | GhostlyDeath | /home is oging to be126.96GiB and the swap will be 1019.75 and the reminaing will be about 20,000MiB |
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| 06:38.40 | maddash | !cpuinfo |
| 06:38.56 | lfs | Are you using debootstrap? |
| 06:39.02 | GhostlyDeath | me? |
| 06:39.11 | lfs | you |
| 06:39.11 | phorce1 | enouf: Note my "bedtime" comment above <grin>. None of this is currently critical. They work fine with 2.4. Just something I play with when I get a few free minutes then come in here and gripe about. |
| 06:39.21 | GhostlyDeath | Can you copy a 120GB to a 20GB parition without erros? |
| 06:39.22 | enouf | phorce1: for ex http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt?v=2.6.18;a=sparc64 |
| 06:39.35 | GhostlyDeath | because the data only takes up about 5GB |
| 06:39.37 | maddash | is there some list of cpu family numbers gotten from /proc/cpuinfo that match with the appropriate name? |
| 06:39.58 | GhostlyDeath | lfs: I'm using the Debian Lie Boot CD |
| 06:39.58 | GhostlyDeath | and using Gparted to change the drives around |
| 06:40.18 | GhostlyDeath | after doing dd, it's running e2fsck... |
| 06:40.24 | lfs | live boot cd? |
| 06:40.32 | GhostlyDeath | yes sir |
| 06:40.33 | enouf | !livecd |
| 06:40.34 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 06:41.01 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: where'd you get it? |
| 06:41.07 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using it as a Remove Windows and INstall Linux CD |
| 06:41.17 | enouf | huh? |
| 06:41.18 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: live-debian or smething |
| 06:41.27 | enouf | goodbye-microsoft.com? |
| 06:41.42 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 06:41.47 | GhostlyDeath | That was the initial install |
| 06:42.01 | GhostlyDeath | then after a about 2 months |
| 06:42.04 | GhostlyDeath | I'm doing all linux |
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| 06:42.37 | GhostlyDeath | it just shrink /dev/sda1? |
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| 06:43.18 | GhostlyDeath | The drive is now 133122588k |
| 06:43.36 | GhostlyDeath | jeez this is taking FOREVER |
| 06:43.42 | enouf | heh |
| 06:44.13 | enouf | !640K |
| 06:44.13 | dpkg | Bill Gates personally assured me 640K should be enough for ANYONE! Yay Bill! |
| 06:44.28 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 06:45.22 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
| 06:45.22 | enouf | haha |
| 06:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | YAY IT'S DONE!! |
| 06:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | now to delete /dev/sda4 |
| 06:45.22 | enouf | man .. that was forever |
| 06:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | I started it about 20 minutes ago.. |
| 06:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | now to create a new parition ext3 for the new root |
| 06:45.41 | GhostlyDeath | making it now.. |
| 06:46.12 | GhostlyDeath | now copying /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda4... |
| 06:46.18 | GhostlyDeath | i mean /dev/sda3 |
| 06:46.55 | GhostlyDeath | how do I copy data from a bigger partition to a smaller one? |
| 06:48.16 | GhostlyDeath | anyone? |
| 06:48.27 | enouf | just move it .. go ahead .. try .. of it's not smart enough to know how to do it, I'm sure it;ll error |
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| 06:51.37 | filemover | hi im after an application that will display folder sizes and write a report about it |
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| 06:51.48 | filemover | anyone know of such a thing |
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| 06:53.01 | ApEtc | flenders: du -h --max-depth=1 > report.txt |
| 06:53.02 | ApEtc | :) |
| 06:53.42 | filemover | i mean with pye graphs and pretty pictures |
| 06:53.47 | filemover | lol |
| 06:54.11 | ApEtc | gdmap is one |
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| 06:54.27 | filemover | ok ill see if i can get it with apt |
| 06:54.30 | filemover | thnx |
| 06:54.38 | ApEtc | And I knew another that did somewhat circular graphs, but I've forgotten the name. |
| 06:55.16 | filemover | yeah there is a thing in windoze call disc size manager which does a similar thing |
| 06:56.43 | enouf | filemover: I think kde has something |
| 06:57.11 | filemover | yeah i was looking but i cant finnything |
| 06:57.29 | filemover | find anything |
| 06:57.39 | enouf | filemover: KDiskFree, or Kdat .. or |
| 06:57.57 | filemover | ok that sounds promising |
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| 06:58.14 | enouf | filemover: also look around in KinfoCenter |
| 06:58.18 | maddash | !64bit |
| 06:58.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, 64bit is http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ and http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/, or http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
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| 06:58.44 | filemover | yeah i think thats mainly hardware info |
| 07:00.05 | GhostlyDeath | How do I copy one data from a larger partition to a smaller parittion? |
| 07:00.23 | filemover | partimage |
| 07:00.36 | solar_sea | Does xvidtune show the current settings when it's started ? |
| 07:00.52 | GhostlyDeath | does not exist |
| 07:01.30 | filemover | apt-get install partimage |
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| 07:02.20 | GhostlyDeath | WOuldn't it be installed to RAM since I'm using a livecd? |
| 07:02.48 | filemover | what cd are u using |
| 07:02.54 | GhostlyDeath | Debian |
| 07:02.58 | GhostlyDeath | Live-CD |
| 07:03.50 | filemover | i know knoppix has partimage on it |
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| 07:04.16 | GhostlyDeath | http://live.debian.net/daily-builds/20070331/i386/debian-live-sid-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 07:04.18 | filemover | but if youve got the partitions mounted i dont see a problem with copying stuff by hand |
| 07:04.20 | GhostlyDeath | that one |
| 07:04.30 | GhostlyDeath | They are not mounted at al |
| 07:04.46 | Kronuz | how would you resize a linux software RAID1 non-LVM partition? |
| 07:05.09 | filemover | well youll have to do that first |
| 07:05.10 | Kronuz | I want to shrink it to be around 4 GB less |
| 07:05.42 | filemover | mount -t partitiontype /dev/devicefile /media/wherever |
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| 07:06.21 | GhostlyDeath | ok I mounted /dev/sda1 to /1 and /dev/sda2 to /2 |
| 07:06.29 | GhostlyDeath | Pure copying won't mess things up? |
| 07:06.41 | filemover | it shouldnt |
| 07:06.44 | filemover | easy |
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| 07:06.48 | GhostlyDeath | Drag 'n drop in GNOME? |
| 07:07.04 | Kronuz | better to use 'cp -a' |
| 07:07.37 | GhostlyDeath | c -a /1 /2? |
| 07:07.41 | GhostlyDeath | cp* |
| 07:08.10 | wols_ | cp -a -r |
| 07:08.15 | filemover | cp -r /* / |
| 07:08.30 | GhostlyDeath | filemover: cp -r /1/* /2 ? |
| 07:08.40 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: no |
| 07:08.41 | GhostlyDeath | since I mounted source to /1 and dest to /2? |
| 07:09.06 | Kronuz | "cp -a" includes -r, plus keeps permissions and stuff |
| 07:09.09 | filemover | yeah sounds right |
| 07:09.20 | filemover | yeah thats better |
| 07:09.22 | GhostlyDeath | so cp -r /1/* /2? |
| 07:09.24 | filemover | -a |
| 07:09.31 | Kronuz | yeah, I'd use "cp -a /1/* /2" |
| 07:09.32 | filemover | unless u want to chown after it |
| 07:09.47 | Kronuz | <.< |
| 07:09.48 | Kronuz | >.> |
| 07:09.49 | GhostlyDeath | be root right? |
| 07:09.59 | GhostlyDeath | copying. |
| 07:09.59 | Kronuz | yep |
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| 07:10.11 | Kronuz | "sudo cp -a /1/* /2" |
| 07:10.19 | filemover | depends if you have read and write access to the drives |
| 07:10.22 | GhostlyDeath | I added -r too |
| 07:10.24 | filemover | yeah |
| 07:10.27 | GhostlyDeath | filemover: Fill R/W |
| 07:10.28 | filemover | LOL |
| 07:10.37 | Kronuz | -r is not necessary (it's included with the -a) |
| 07:10.59 | GhostlyDeath | Wouldn't GNOME be messed up after this? |
| 07:11.05 | GhostlyDeath | since it wants to look in /dev/sda4? |
| 07:11.11 | filemover | -r is ok but -a preserves permissions that exist already |
| 07:11.44 | GhostlyDeath | links are saved right? |
| 07:11.52 | Kronuz | with -a, yes |
| 07:11.56 | filemover | what are u doing just copying files or installing an operatind system |
| 07:12.01 | filemover | operating |
| 07:12.08 | GhostlyDeath | Copying an old / to a new / |
| 07:12.24 | GhostlyDeath | copying the Linux OS |
| 07:12.24 | filemover | from one partition to another |
| 07:12.26 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 07:12.27 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, cp -a is what you want for that |
| 07:12.28 | filemover | no |
| 07:12.31 | GhostlyDeath | then I'm gonna delete one |
| 07:12.34 | filemover | u cant copy it |
| 07:12.37 | GhostlyDeath | and boot off the other one |
| 07:12.41 | filemover | u just cant do that |
| 07:12.51 | GhostlyDeath | why not? |
| 07:12.54 | Kronuz | filemover, well, technically you can |
| 07:12.55 | filemover | you are better installing partimage |
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| 07:13.00 | Tarantulafudge | hey guys |
| 07:13.04 | filemover | well u can |
| 07:13.28 | Tarantulafudge | I need to enable reiser4 in my kernel, what is the debian way I should go about doing this? |
| 07:13.29 | filemover | but there are things like grub etc to take care of |
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| 07:13.29 | GhostlyDeath | Will there be any problems? |
| 07:13.37 | Kronuz | I've done it plenty of times... but some times it gets hard and messy (some times, if you're not careful) |
| 07:13.39 | GhostlyDeath | yeah, that's what I was saying |
| 07:13.41 | msingh | is there a way to tell dpkg to install to local directories? |
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| 07:14.04 | filemover | load partimage into ram via apt-get |
| 07:14.13 | filemover | and do it that way |
| 07:14.23 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, you need to check your /boot/grub/menu.lst and your /etc/fstab and install the MBR in the new disk |
| 07:14.34 | GhostlyDeath | Kronuz: it's the same disk |
| 07:14.42 | GhostlyDeath | I gotta redo GRUB anyhow |
| 07:14.50 | Kronuz | and just different partitions? |
| 07:14.52 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 07:15.08 | GhostlyDeath | Is anything besides GRUB (Obviously) effected? |
| 07:15.14 | Kronuz | yeah, you still need to install grub to get the menu.lst from the new partition |
| 07:15.17 | Tarantulafudge | Just so were clear, I just need to access a partition that I had formatted resier4 previously, don't really plan on using it |
| 07:15.18 | filemover | have u got more that 2 operating systems |
| 07:15.26 | GhostlyDeath | Just Linux |
| 07:15.35 | filemover | ok |
| 07:15.51 | filemover | and u have only the one partition |
| 07:15.59 | filemover | hd0 |
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| 07:16.13 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 07:16.13 | GhostlyDeath | 3 |
| 07:16.14 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, I suppose that if you're using the same disk and you're not using software RAID, just changing /etc/fstab should do it |
| 07:16.18 | GhostlyDeath | sda1, sda2, sda3 |
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| 07:16.34 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, but I'd mount the / someplace else first (as in /1, you said, right?) |
| 07:16.35 | GhostlyDeath | 1 is gonna be /home, 2 is gonna be swap |
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| 07:16.52 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, and do a cp-ax instead |
| 07:16.56 | GhostlyDeath | Kronuz, I'll tell fstab to mount what is currently /2 as / |
| 07:17.04 | filemover | and whats 3 /home |
| 07:17.13 | enouf | your boot sectors are going to be munged |
| 07:17.22 | filemover | lol |
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| 07:17.28 | GhostlyDeath | Has anyone done this before? |
| 07:17.31 | enouf | you have to just reinstall grub |
| 07:17.38 | GhostlyDeath | and mess around with ftsba |
| 07:17.43 | GhostlyDeath | After I copy everything |
| 07:17.44 | Kronuz | hehe... I'm copying more than a million files right now :P |
| 07:17.47 | enouf | right .. that too naturally |
| 07:17.55 | filemover | make an image of the OS partition |
| 07:18.10 | filemover | and the format the partition your going to use |
| 07:18.11 | GhostlyDeath | I will erase /dev/sda1 and make it /home, then /dev/sda2 will be swap and /dev/sda3 will be / |
| 07:18.14 | filemover | and the reisntall it |
| 07:18.30 | filemover | then |
| 07:18.37 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, I have copied from disk to disk (different disks and all) it shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:18.56 | filemover | yeah it sounds ok |
| 07:18.56 | GhostlyDeath | Kronuz, entire roots that still worked after adjustments and copies? |
| 07:18.59 | enouf | " I have 1 JDD .. and i want to learn how to juggle .. can you help?" ..lol |
| 07:19.07 | filemover | partimage is a good programme |
| 07:19.12 | filemover | itll do the job |
| 07:19.17 | GhostlyDeath | cp is allready running |
| 07:19.20 | enouf | er HDD* |
| 07:19.26 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, yep, you just need to update the GRUB, the menu.lst, and the fstab, iirc |
| 07:19.37 | msingh | what are my options for installing packages without being root? |
| 07:19.43 | GhostlyDeath | only about ~4GiB to go! |
| 07:19.55 | enouf | msingh: not goof |
| 07:20.03 | GhostlyDeath | copying at about |
| 07:20.09 | filemover | u cant use apt-get as user |
| 07:20.09 | GhostlyDeath | 0.01GiB a second! |
| 07:20.12 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, but mount what's mounted in root someplace else before copying it, don't just copy from root (and use cp -ax) |
| 07:20.21 | enouf | msingh: unless you can chrotot of fakeroot or something |
| 07:20.35 | GhostlyDeath | no... 0.0025 to 0.001GiB a second |
| 07:20.41 | enouf | <msingh> is there a way to tell dpkg to install to local directories? |
| 07:20.44 | enouf | !wayttd |
| 07:20.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 07:20.50 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, (so it doesn't copy /dev and other dynamic stuff) |
| 07:21.08 | msingh | enouf, i want to install some programs on a shell account without having root permissions |
| 07:21.14 | GhostlyDeath | Kronuz: I mounted the old root into /1 and im copying it into /2 |
| 07:21.20 | GhostlyDeath | the / isn't being touched at all |
| 07:21.24 | Kronuz | yeah, that's fine |
| 07:21.38 | GhostlyDeath | since that's the LiveCD (did anything get this? or am I lagging?) |
| 07:21.49 | enouf | <Tarantulafudge> I need to enable reiser4 in my kernel, what is the debian way I should go about doing this? <== See if there's module support and load it .. I doubt it.. but I could be wrong |
| 07:21.59 | GhostlyDeath | Gaim doesn't seem to be posting lines |
| 07:22.00 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, LiveCD? o_O |
| 07:22.08 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
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| 07:22.40 | enouf | msingh: hrm .. don't know .. |
| 07:22.55 | GhostlyDeath | about 3GiB to go |
| 07:23.04 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 07:23.15 | Kronuz | don't copy it from the liveCD... I don't know if it'd work (liveCD's initrd is too different from the regular initrd, I think) |
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| 07:23.40 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me get my lid button to work? |
| 07:23.47 | GhostlyDeath | 5400RPM |
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| 07:23.55 | GhostlyDeath | Kronuz: I'm not |
| 07:24.06 | EruditeHermit | it generates acpi events, and the acpi-support scripts are in place, but it isn't blanking the screen |
| 07:24.07 | GhostlyDeath | That's why I did /1 and /2 |
| 07:24.09 | Kronuz | oh, ok ... it should work then |
| 07:24.18 | GhostlyDeath | How fast in MiB is 5400RPMs? |
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| 07:24.29 | Kronuz | depends on your drive |
| 07:24.43 | enouf | it stinks |
| 07:25.12 | GhostlyDeath | It's a laptop hard drive |
| 07:25.24 | enouf | EruditeHermit: cat /proc/version says what? |
| 07:25.24 | GhostlyDeath | and it's getting hot! *sizz* |
| 07:25.40 | GhostlyDeath | And my battery is almost dead too |
| 07:25.45 | enouf | !tell EruditeHermit -about laptop |
| 07:26.28 | Kronuz | GhostlyDeath, good idea |
| 07:26.34 | Kronuz | okay, g2g now... |
| 07:26.35 | GhostlyDeath | about 1.50GiB to go! |
| 07:26.39 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
| 07:26.42 | Kronuz | good luck GhostlyDeath |
| 07:26.47 | GhostlyDeath | I'll need it |
| 07:26.59 | EruditeHermit | enouf: 2.6.18-4 suspend and hibernate both work |
| 07:27.08 | Kronuz | not really, it's easy to get it working |
| 07:27.10 | Kronuz | bye |
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| 07:28.08 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: look at the logfile |
| 07:28.10 | GhostlyDeath | it's done... |
| 07:28.16 | enouf | EruditeHermit: that's not what cat /proc/version says |
| 07:28.46 | EruditeHermit | enouf: do you want me to paste it all? |
| 07:28.54 | enouf | it's one line |
| 07:28.58 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: disks are faster in MB/sec the more data fits on them |
| 07:29.06 | EruditeHermit | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
| 07:29.16 | enouf | ok .. well done |
| 07:29.25 | wols_ | valdyn: no. the denser the bits are packed on a single cylinder :) |
| 07:29.41 | valdyn | wols_: heh |
| 07:29.54 | GhostlyDeath | Is comparing the sizes of all the files a good idea? |
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| 07:30.13 | mateusz | Hi |
| 07:30.13 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: for what purpose? |
| 07:30.15 | ktwilight | checksums are better maybe? |
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| 07:30.19 | GhostlyDeath | Seiing if all the files copied |
| 07:30.52 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: [Sun Apr 1 00:30:44 2007] action exited with status 1 |
| 07:30.53 | EruditeHermit | [Sun Apr 1 00:30:44 2007] completed event "button/lid LID 00000080 00000006" |
| 07:31.10 | enouf | EruditeHermit: just so you know, I'm not a laptop guy ..see if you can find your make/model (at the urls dpkg told you) and what others might have done |
| 07:31.36 | wols_ | in other news: shares of all paper producers in the world just went through the roof: https://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html |
| 07:31.36 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: so that script failed. |
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| 07:31.58 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: make it verbose.. let that script log into an extra file.. |
| 07:32.16 | Rohinton | wols: yes and we have moved from March to April. |
| 07:32.26 | enouf | April 1st to be precise |
| 07:32.34 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: how do I do that? |
| 07:32.43 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: run acpid verbose? |
| 07:32.43 | Rohinton | let the fun begin...! |
| 07:32.47 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: blank command > mylog |
| 07:32.53 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: edit that script |
| 07:33.00 | wols_ | Rohinton: just shut up and buy more paper stocks. they will RISE :P |
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| 07:33.15 | Rohinton | :-) |
| 07:33.29 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: or maybe you're current explicitely shutting that script up, i didn't see your action yet.. |
| 07:34.15 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: somehow i suspect you're running X, and root isnt allowed to just blank your screen by default |
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| 07:35.02 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yeah acpid sources /etc/acpi/lid.sh according to the log |
| 07:35.08 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it starts it but it fails |
| 07:35.23 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: paste that action |
| 07:35.28 | valdyn | !paste |
| 07:35.28 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 07:35.30 | Rohinton | valdyn: paste the log... |
| 07:35.30 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: /etc/acpi/lid.sh > mylog is waht you want me to do? |
| 07:35.39 | valdyn | Rohinton: me? |
| 07:36.07 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: nah, append > mylog to the blank command inside that script |
| 07:36.53 | Rohinton | valdyn: I meant EruditeHermit.. |
| 07:36.59 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5917 |
| 07:37.08 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: using 'su' in x to become root and then running the blank command will probably give the same error |
| 07:37.33 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok, that's the log, but show the lid.sh |
| 07:37.57 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: DCOP? that sounds like a kde-specific blank script |
| 07:38.53 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5918 |
| 07:39.41 | EruditeHermit | one more one sec |
| 07:40.02 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: that script is from debians acpi-support package? |
| 07:40.24 | EruditeHermit | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5919 |
| 07:40.27 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yes |
| 07:40.36 | EruditeHermit | that is screenblank |
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| 07:40.49 | EruditeHermit | that is called from lid.sh |
| 07:41.00 | GhostlyDeath | same size! |
| 07:41.07 | GhostlyDeath | nwo for ftsba |
| 07:41.09 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: have you done an xhost + |
| 07:41.12 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: that 2nd paste and that 1st paste are related how? |
| 07:41.36 | valdyn | Rohinton: that script is doing a su $user |
| 07:41.53 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: in lid.sh there is a line that calls /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank , the 2nd paste are the contents of the screenblank script |
| 07:42.09 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: what is xhost +? |
| 07:42.29 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: That allows connections in from any server - |
| 07:42.52 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: is it permanent? or just for this session? |
| 07:42.54 | Rohinton | it seems that screenblank will be firing up an X app... |
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| 07:43.27 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: yeah I did that and then tried, same problem |
| 07:43.46 | GhostlyDeath | How do I install GRUB into the MBR? |
| 07:43.49 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: what gfx chip is in your box? |
| 07:44.12 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: radeon 9600, using xorg radeon driver |
| 07:44.19 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: Is the DCOP server running? |
| 07:44.29 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok, check if radeontool and xscreensaver are installed |
| 07:44.33 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: yes |
| 07:45.01 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yes they are |
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| 07:46.04 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: run that script after you did 'su' in an x terminal |
| 07:46.14 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: tell us if it outputs anything |
| 07:46.23 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: dont use sux or sudo |
| 07:46.34 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! |
| 07:46.39 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok |
| 07:46.57 | EruditeHermit | I can't see any KDE specific lines in the script though |
| 07:47.05 | EruditeHermit | and dcopserver is running anyway |
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| 07:48.31 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: is xscreensaver running? |
| 07:48.44 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: it will be in screenblank - i guess |
| 07:49.02 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: paste that too.... |
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| 07:49.37 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: i already did paste it at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5919 |
| 07:50.01 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: it's already there .. but best to run update-grub .. but I'd prolly reboot 1st so the partition table changes take affect |
| 07:50.15 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it wasn't running, because I was using kde screensaver, but I started xscreensaver now and it still isn't working |
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| 07:50.27 | binny959 | anyone have an m-audio card? need some help getting digital out to work? |
| 07:50.33 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: same error? |
| 07:50.53 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: when the script is run as root, yes |
| 07:51.05 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok |
| 07:51.13 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: it works as user ? |
| 07:51.34 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: im installing acpi-support so you dont have to paste everything.. |
| 07:51.47 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a GRUB installer ISO? |
| 07:51.49 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: nope it doesn't work as a user either |
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| 07:53.06 | enouf | EruditeHermit: in Kcontrol do you have the settings for Display allowed to standby/suspend/power down aftere a set time there? |
| 07:53.13 | EruditeHermit | enouf: yes |
| 07:53.34 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: yes and no .. you don;t need it though |
| 07:53.42 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: the error is in . /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs.. reading |
| 07:53.52 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I don't need grub? |
| 07:54.27 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you don't need a grub ISO, though you could've made a separate CD-R/RW from within your working system |
| 07:54.28 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: you don't need the iso |
| 07:54.38 | GhostlyDeath | I can't make floppies |
| 07:54.42 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: what is the protection for ~/.ICEauthority ? |
| 07:54.46 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you don;t need to |
| 07:54.57 | GhostlyDeath | How do I reinstall grub for my new setup though? |
| 07:54.58 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: did you reboot yet? |
| 07:55.04 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 07:55.12 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: reboot |
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| 07:55.24 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: check which of these are running: gnome-power-manager dcopserver dcop kded |
| 07:55.28 | enouf | back into live CD .. |
| 07:55.35 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: -rw------- |
| 07:55.39 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: see if the partition layout looks correct |
| 07:55.48 | GhostlyDeath | /home swap / |
| 07:55.57 | GhostlyDeath | looks like what I want it to be |
| 07:56.13 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: klaptopdaemon, dcopserver, kded are running |
| 07:56.14 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: and kpowersave |
| 07:56.32 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: no kpowersave |
| 07:56.39 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you got Solid State drives? |
| 07:56.47 | EruditeHermit | the script has a line for klaptopdaemon too |
| 07:57.00 | GhostlyDeath | Solid State? |
| 07:57.05 | enouf | you must be a $$ kid |
| 07:57.07 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: what happens fi you type dcop at the commoand line? |
| 07:57.29 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i'm not going to say it again .. reboot already |
| 07:57.32 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: it says that dcopserver is already running |
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| 07:57.37 | GhostlyDeath | k |
| 07:57.50 | enouf | fsck |
| 07:58.29 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: Hmm it sounds like it's trying to start it? |
| 07:58.30 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: comment out if [ `CheckPolicy` == 0 ]; then exit; fi and run the script |
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| 07:59.34 | HamidNassiby | Hi all , any news about etch release date , newer than /msg dpkg wwer ? |
| 08:00.00 | oye | HamidNassiby: next week, AFAIK |
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| 08:00.12 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it no longer complains about dcop, but it doesn't blank the screen |
| 08:00.35 | HamidNassiby | oye: thanks , what AFAIK means? |
| 08:00.47 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: does it give any output? |
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| 08:00.56 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: mv the .dcop directory in ~/ out of the way and login to your account from another session. |
| 08:01.06 | oye | HamidNassiby: as far as I know |
| 08:01.07 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: no output |
| 08:01.27 | HamidNassiby | oye: ok, thanks again |
| 08:01.36 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton, valdyn : ok give me a sec to logout and backin |
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| 08:04.02 | GhostlyDeath | failed |
| 08:04.04 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: that CheckPolicy is trying to run dcop as root, thats bull |
| 08:04.14 | GhostlyDeath | I rebooted and GRUB said Error 22 |
| 08:05.26 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you're back in LiveCD ..yes? |
| 08:05.33 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 08:05.46 | enouf | ok .. do this nasically |
| 08:05.52 | enouf | er basically |
| 08:06.20 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: but even with checkpolicy commented it still doesn't work |
| 08:06.30 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: that didn't do it either |
| 08:06.35 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: yea, so there's another error |
| 08:06.55 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: you should try the individual blanking commands |
| 08:07.00 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: |
| 08:07.02 | enouf | drop to console (ctrl-alt-f1, if necessary, alt-f5 to get back to X); login as root (if necessary, which shouldn't be on knoppix); mkdir /mnt/point; mount -orw,uid=knoppix /dev/hdXX <--enter correct info of your / partition ; then mount --bind /dev /mnt/point ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point ; chroot /dev/hdXX /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/hdX (for MBR) |
| 08:07.28 | enouf | bah .. take out the knppoix specific sections GhostlyDeath |
| 08:07.32 | Rohinton | ok, strace running dcop and let's see that in the paste bin, I want ro see if it's trying to start dcop, even though it is running... |
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| 08:07.49 | GhostlyDeath | All ttys are logged in |
| 08:07.53 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: like 'xset dpms force off' |
| 08:07.56 | GhostlyDeath | can't I use the GNOME Root Terminal? |
| 08:07.57 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: no prob |
| 08:08.15 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: why? |
| 08:08.26 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: no, that works when I type that in |
| 08:08.43 | enouf | X app .. sure . but why bother |
| 08:08.44 | GhostlyDeath | logout won't let me log out |
| 08:08.53 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: nice, but the backlight might still be on, that's what radeontool is for |
| 08:09.04 | enouf | ok ... use that then |
| 08:09.18 | enouf | whay are you logging out? |
| 08:09.32 | GhostlyDeath | I tried to but it stayed at the $ |
| 08:09.43 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: it will be easier ( at least for me ) to write a new blank script compared to stepping through this failing script |
| 08:09.54 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ok .. fire up root xterm |
| 08:10.13 | delsvr | the kids at ubuntu scare me |
| 08:10.14 | GhostlyDeath | is hdXX the soon to be /? |
| 08:10.19 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: the radeontool also works |
| 08:10.36 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mkdir /mnt/point #this will be where you mount your new / on /dev/sda3 |
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| 08:11.02 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: where's / now? |
| 08:11.27 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: /dev/hda3, /dev/sda2 .. the one you want to reinstall grub to |
| 08:11.30 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/sda3 |
| 08:11.35 | enouf | ok |
| 08:11.38 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mkdir /mnt/point #this will be where you mount your new / on /dev/sda3 |
| 08:11.40 | GhostlyDeath | I want GRUB to boot from sda3 |
| 08:11.42 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: the file /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank should blank your screen fine |
| 08:11.45 | GhostlyDeath | ok did that |
| 08:12.14 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mount --bind /proc /mnt /point |
| 08:12.16 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: modify the lid.sh script and place a -x -e on the end of !/bin/bash |
| 08:12.22 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: im gonna write a script.. |
| 08:12.24 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mount --bind /dev /mnt /point |
| 08:12.33 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:12.37 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: ah, when I try to run that I get permission denied |
| 08:12.44 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: chroot /dev/hdXX /mnt/point |
| 08:12.54 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: -rw-r--r-- |
| 08:12.54 | enouf | ermm ..substitute /dev/sda3 |
| 08:13.00 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ^^ |
| 08:13.24 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: chmod +x and test again |
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| 08:13.31 | GhostlyDeath | "chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/sda3: Not a directory" |
| 08:13.52 | GhostlyDeath | swap mnt with dev? |
| 08:13.58 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: what exact command did you issue? |
| 08:14.06 | GhostlyDeath | debian:/# chroot /dev/sda3 /mnt/point |
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| 08:14.31 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: does cd /mnt/point work? |
| 08:14.42 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 08:14.48 | GhostlyDeath | dir lists tons of files |
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| 08:14.53 | GhostlyDeath | numbers and letters |
| 08:15.03 | enouf | and when there .. does ls -al /dev list all device files? |
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| 08:15.11 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: you can run it : 'sh screenblank' |
| 08:15.14 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
| 08:15.26 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 08:15.44 | enouf | ok .. back out back to where you were |
| 08:15.54 | GhostlyDeath | / right? |
| 08:15.55 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: Hmm actually it should'nt matter as "." is being used in the script... |
| 08:16.00 | enouf | yep GhostlyDeath |
| 08:16.13 | perlmonkey | is it necessary to reboot sys after changing partition table on hdd? |
| 08:16.16 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: Rohinton : screenblank script works |
| 08:16.22 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: is /etc/fstab showing /dev/sda3 as / ? |
| 08:16.30 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: even after su ? |
| 08:16.31 | enouf | bah .. nevermind |
| 08:16.42 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: it should need $DISPLAY to be set correctly |
| 08:16.49 | GhostlyDeath | LiveCD |
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| 08:17.03 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: not as su, only as normal user |
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| 08:17.04 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 08:17.08 | drexxi | hi dudes |
| 08:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | unionfs is / |
| 08:17.17 | enouf | yeah .. you may need to umount your liveCD / mount .. or somesuch |
| 08:17.17 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: btw, are you running a debian kernel? |
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| 08:17.26 | perlmonkey | do you have to reboot when you change the partition table on a hdd? |
| 08:17.33 | GhostlyDeath | how would I unmount and remount /? |
| 08:17.37 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yes its stock debian kernel |
| 08:17.45 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it runs as root if I use xhost + |
| 08:17.53 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: yea |
| 08:18.03 | GhostlyDeath | mount /dev/sda3 / did something |
| 08:18.13 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: as root: 'DISPLAY=:1 sh screenblank' ( no xhost ) |
| 08:18.17 | GhostlyDeath | wait it did nothign |
| 08:18.19 | drexxi | i get some compile error with znc he says IRCSock.h44:error:extra qualification âCIRCSock::â on member âPerselSupportâ make:***[znc.o] Error 1 |
| 08:18.20 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: as root: 'DISPLAY=:0 sh screenblank' ( no xhost ) |
| 08:18.24 | perlmonkey | GhostlyDeath: why not boot off a cd |
| 08:18.33 | GhostlyDeath | I'm bootng off a CD now |
| 08:18.37 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: heh .. try (for the fsck of it) the chroot /mnt/point /dev/sda3 |
| 08:18.38 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:18.49 | GhostlyDeath | GOtta boot to the HD |
| 08:18.49 | GhostlyDeath | GParted says /dev/sda3 is / now |
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| 08:18.54 | drexxi | what does that mean ? |
| 08:18.56 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 08:19.10 | GhostlyDeath | But it says the drives full (whihc it shoudln't be) |
| 08:19.31 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: go back to where we were and try the chroot again |
| 08:19.39 | enouf | that Not a Dir makes no sense |
| 08:19.42 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: xset unable to open display ":0" |
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| 08:19.54 | drexxi | hey i would pleased someone to help me? |
| 08:20.27 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: btw this is all with checkpolicy commented |
| 08:20.28 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ah, yea, missing the XAUTHORITY.. |
| 08:21.00 | GhostlyDeath | chroot fails |
| 08:21.03 | crm_ | iwconfig is missing |
| 08:21.04 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: yea, has to be as CheckPolicy is broken IF dcopserver is running |
| 08:21.08 | crm_ | what package is it in? |
| 08:21.22 | crm_ | i dont see any wireless tools? |
| 08:21.24 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: if cat /proc/mounts shows / mounted on /dev/sda3 then see if it's ro |
| 08:21.44 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/sda3 / ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 08:22.05 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: what about any rootfs entries |
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| 08:22.43 | GhostlyDeath | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 08:23.10 | GhostlyDeath | unionfs / unionfs rw,dirs=/cow=rw:/filesystem.squashfs=ro,debug=4294967295,delete=whiteout 0 0 |
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| 08:23.19 | GhostlyDeath | 3 competing for root? |
| 08:23.23 | drexxi | i get some compile error with znc he says IRCSock.h44:error:extra qualification âCIRCSock::â on member âPerselSupportâ make:***[znc.o] Error 1 can somebody tell me what i should do? |
| 08:23.24 | aidehua | Anybody here trying to buy Glastonbury 2007 tickets? |
| 08:23.36 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: actually that dcop line isn't necessarily broken |
| 08:24.03 | msingh | can i get some help with fakeroot please? How do i actually install it into my home directory without root. Chicken and egg? heh. |
| 08:24.04 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: are you running more than one session? |
| 08:24.12 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: dcop cant ( as root ) connect to dcopserver |
| 08:24.41 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: nope |
| 08:24.57 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: oh if its done as root then I guess |
| 08:25.12 | drexxi | how to find out whats my cpp version? |
| 08:25.21 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: you should replace the last /usr/bin/dcop ..... with su $user -c "/usr/bin/dcop". i dont know what the 2 kded kded are supposed to do |
| 08:25.44 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: oh that part works |
| 08:25.47 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: umount the mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 you did |
| 08:25.52 | phorce1 | heh --- I haven't been watching the dialogue here -- has anyone noticed the link on www.google.com for free high speed wireless broadband service? |
| 08:26.05 | GhostlyDeath | device is busy |
| 08:26.15 | enouf | [04:15:26] <GhostlyDeath> mount /dev/sda3 / did something <-- why did you do that? |
| 08:26.17 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it just checks to see if klaptopdaemon is loaded |
| 08:26.31 | streuner | drexxi: apt-cache show cpp |
| 08:26.32 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: reboot .. start again |
| 08:27.17 | streuner | drexxi: cpp --version |
| 08:27.19 | Rohinton | drexxi: cpp --version? |
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| 08:28.11 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:28.14 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: "/usr/bin/dcop kded kded loadedModules" works for you? |
| 08:28.19 | drexxi | mh so its the newst i think some prerelease but why cant i compile that shit? |
| 08:28.27 | drexxi | can somebody say me what does my error mean? |
| 08:30.11 | xingu | drexxi: why are you building znc? it's already packaged. |
| 08:30.20 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yes |
| 08:30.31 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: as a normal user not as root |
| 08:30.52 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok, feel free to embed this into su -c $user " stuff " i guess, or leave it commented out |
| 08:30.53 | EruditeHermit | so the su $user -c should fix that |
| 08:31.01 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 08:31.06 | drexxi | cuz i dont find the installed stuff if i use the deb |
| 08:31.18 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: now to the next, try grep -q closed /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state |
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| 08:32.21 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yeah that works; it shows both states depending on if I have the lid button pressed or not |
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| 08:32.38 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:32.41 | enouf | where we went wrong I think is that /dev/sda3 does indeed need to be mounted prior to chrooting into it, but not mounted on / (of LiveCD) , instead mounted on /mnt/point instead .. capisce? G ;-) |
| 08:32.46 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ^^ |
| 08:33.09 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ok fire up xterm again |
| 08:33.18 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mkdir /mnt/point |
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| 08:33.36 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:33.37 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mount --bind /proc /mnt /point |
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| 08:33.58 | GhostlyDeath | "t /" or "t/"? |
| 08:34.10 | enouf | sorry rtypo .. duh .. And also --> GhostlyDeath: mount --bind /dev /mnt/point |
| 08:34.19 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: actually grep -q doesn't return anything |
| 08:34.24 | GhostlyDeath | done |
| 08:34.32 | drexxi | xingu or can u tell me where he installs it? |
| 08:34.38 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state does |
| 08:34.39 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:34.41 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: hmm, this is quite tedious, i would put debugging output " echo blah " into the control sctructures |
| 08:34.41 | enouf | now .. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /mnt/point |
| 08:34.47 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ^^^ |
| 08:34.54 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: is a cat missing? |
| 08:34.54 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: .. to see where its doing nonsense |
| 08:34.55 | GhostlyDeath | done |
| 08:34.58 | xingu | drexxi: apt-get install znc - my guess would be /usr/bin or /usr/sbin |
| 08:34.59 | GhostlyDeath | waiting.. |
| 08:35.02 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: now chroot /dev/sda3 /mnt/point |
| 08:35.15 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: no, grep -q doesnt return visible output, that's ok |
| 08:35.26 | GhostlyDeath | chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/sda3: Not a directory |
| 08:35.28 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: it just returns 0 on success or a number on error |
| 08:35.35 | drexxi | oh lol its to early in the morning thanks dide xingu |
| 08:35.38 | drexxi | dude* |
| 08:35.43 | xingu | don't call me dude |
| 08:36.00 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: pastebin the contents of cat /proc/mounts, cat /etc/mtab, and cat /etc/fstab |
| 08:36.05 | drexxi | ok sry |
| 08:36.08 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: uh, or vice versa, what the heck |
| 08:36.33 | crm_ | im not getting quality answers |
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| 08:36.36 | crm_ | i want answers damnit |
| 08:36.52 | Rohinton | valdyn: you were right first. |
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| 08:37.42 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/419369 |
| 08:37.48 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: also .. pastebin cat /mnt/point/etc/fstab |
| 08:37.53 | xingu | crm_: apt-file is probably what you need. |
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| 08:38.28 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: ok grep -q is working, but it isn't getting to the if with screenblank in it (I put echo foo in there) |
| 08:38.58 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/419371 |
| 08:39.28 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: do the grep -q as requested and echo $? |
| 08:39.41 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: yea, the displaynum=`echo $x | sed s#/tmp/.X11-unix/X##` doesnt do what i think it should do |
| 08:40.26 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: yeah it returns 0 and 1 as it should |
| 08:40.37 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yeah that is where it is failing I think |
| 08:40.37 | phorce1 | errr, has anyone looked at 'man chroot' -- try 'chroot /mount/point' |
| 08:41.07 | enouf | phorce1: I'm such a nutjob .. duh |
| 08:41.55 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok, that part is ok, verified |
| 08:41.56 | phorce1 | too boot with the new root at boot time try adding 'root=/dev/sda3' to the boot command |
| 08:41.56 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it goes to that for loop though |
| 08:41.56 | phorce1 | s/too/to |
| 08:41.56 | GhostlyDeath | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 08:41.56 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it doesn't enter the if in that block |
| 08:41.56 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: sorry .. try just chroot /mnt/point |
| 08:41.56 | GhostlyDeath | phorce1: R/O LiveCD |
| 08:42.07 | liable | !info wireless tools etch |
| 08:42.10 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: put an echo after getXuser |
| 08:42.13 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit, valdyn: I see that socket as owned by root... |
| 08:42.22 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yeah it does that |
| 08:42.38 | GhostlyDeath | all this just for GRUB... |
| 08:42.43 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: so the if [ x"$XAUTHORITY" != x"" ]; then is failing atm |
| 08:42.44 | valdyn | ? |
| 08:43.01 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: it would be chroot /mnt/point /bin/bash (if you tried that though) |
| 08:43.04 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yes |
| 08:43.16 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: no .. I'm just a nut |
| 08:43.21 | Rohinton | should that be "x" and not x"" |
| 08:43.21 | GhostlyDeath | same eror |
| 08:43.24 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: and it only runs once through that for |
| 08:43.44 | enouf | phorce1: I know that too, but that's the grub shell where ppl don't have irc help |
| 08:43.50 | phorce1 | enouf: it tries to run the shell if you give it no other command (although I think it tries sh rather than bash) |
| 08:43.55 | enouf | or hurt .. however it may be |
| 08:44.15 | enouf | phorce1: I'm aware of the chroot thing .. my bad, my goof .. |
| 08:44.34 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: $XAUTHORITY is = "" |
| 08:44.39 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: thats why that is failing |
| 08:44.44 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: hold one sec please |
| 08:45.05 | phorce1 | lemme go look at my grub on thin machine. my others all use silo |
| 08:45.08 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: cd /mnt/point |
| 08:45.15 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: its just testing if $XAUTHORITY is empty |
| 08:45.17 | GhostlyDeath | done |
| 08:45.21 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ls -al /dev |
| 08:45.23 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: its just testing if $XAUTHORITY is not empty |
| 08:45.30 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: is it populated? |
| 08:45.33 | GhostlyDeath | with? |
| 08:45.46 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: with lots of /dev/files |
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| 08:45.54 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: modify your echo after getXuser; to verify that the $user is correct |
| 08:45.58 | drexxi | exit |
| 08:46.03 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: cd /mnt/point/proc |
| 08:46.45 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it comes up blank |
| 08:46.45 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/419376 for first |
| 08:47.03 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: now cd /mnt/point/proc |
| 08:47.03 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:47.10 | enouf | and ls -al /proc |
| 08:47.17 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I put echo $user |
| 08:47.20 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: anything in there? |
| 08:47.40 | GhostlyDeath | it's emoty |
| 08:47.47 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: should that be $USER |
| 08:47.59 | valdyn | Rohinton: nah |
| 08:48.04 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: no because the script is run as root so USER would return root |
| 08:48.10 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: oh .. ok .. |
| 08:48.26 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: we have got to mount BEFORE we --bind /proc |
| 08:48.26 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit, valdyn: ok |
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| 08:48.43 | GhostlyDeath | umount /dev/sda3? |
| 08:48.46 | GhostlyDeath | --unbind? |
| 08:49.01 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit, valdyn: so getXuser is supposed to supply? |
| 08:49.04 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: so . now try and --bind /proc |
| 08:49.18 | valdyn | Rohinton: getXuser sets $user to the X user |
| 08:49.19 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mount --bind /proc /mnt/point |
| 08:49.29 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:49.38 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: then--> cd /mnt/point/proc |
| 08:49.49 | GhostlyDeath | was alreayd inside |
| 08:49.51 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: and ls -al /proc and tell me if it;s populated |
| 08:49.55 | Rohinton | but should that be ". getXuser" ? |
| 08:50.02 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: oh .. |
| 08:50.12 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: back out to your old / |
| 08:50.16 | GhostlyDeath | should it be /mnt/point? |
| 08:50.21 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
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| 08:50.39 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: mount --bind /proc /mnt/point |
| 08:50.46 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 08:50.51 | Rohinton | valdyn: should that be ". getXuser" ? |
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| 08:51.10 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: then--> cd /mnt/point/proc and then ls -al /proc and tell me if there's files? |
| 08:51.20 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: `finger| grep -m1 ":$displaynum " | awk '{print $1}'` seems to be a problem |
| 08:51.26 | valdyn | Rohinton: nah, getXuser; calls the function, its sourced above in . /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs |
| 08:51.31 | phorce1 | I have a question? Why not use a debian netinstall CD and at the format/partition tell it to leave all the current filesystems alone. Tell it /dev/sda3 is root, and let it install grub? |
| 08:51.43 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: it works here |
| 08:51.50 | GhostlyDeath | cd /mnt/point/proc failed |
| 08:51.51 | enouf | phorce1: in a moment ;-) |
| 08:51.58 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I do echo $1 and I get "" |
| 08:52.14 | GhostlyDeath | the folder "proc" does not exist |
| 08:52.21 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: cant do that, $1 is not a shell variable, its for awk |
| 08:52.24 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: start again or do it from the grub shell .. your choice .. my apologies for being brain-dead |
| 08:52.39 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: oh, how do I check to see if it is working? |
| 08:52.46 | GhostlyDeath | xterm shell? |
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| 08:53.04 | liable | GhostlyDeath: um, do you have etch install cd? |
| 08:53.05 | GhostlyDeath | Reboot or unbind and unmount? |
| 08:53.08 | GhostlyDeath | yes I do |
| 08:53.09 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: no .. i meant reboot .. only cause of my /mnt/point mess i made |
| 08:53.11 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I just did user=`finger| grep -m1 ":$displaynum " | awk '{print $1}'` ; echo $user and got "" |
| 08:53.18 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: in a root shell |
| 08:53.22 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: run: finger| grep -m1 ":0" | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 08:53.35 | liable | GhostlyDeath: just boot it with the rescue mode option and install grub |
| 08:53.54 | GhostlyDeath | I'll check that out |
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| 08:54.16 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I get "" |
| 08:54.32 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: mmm |
| 08:54.36 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I ran user=`finger| grep -m1 ":0 " | awk '{print $1}'` |
| 08:54.39 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you could do what liable or what phorce1 suggested .. or come back (my chroot way), or from the grub shell .. whichever |
| 08:54.41 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: and then echo $user |
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| 08:54.55 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: that cant work |
| 08:54.59 | GhostlyDeath | I'll try liables and see how that goes |
| 08:55.08 | enouf | ok.. sounds good |
| 08:55.14 | GhostlyDeath | In resuce mode, It has a GUI |
| 08:55.18 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: how do I check it then? |
| 08:55.20 | GhostlyDeath | or would I have to use the console to fix GRUB? |
| 08:55.20 | enouf | yep |
| 08:55.25 | enouf | boot rescuegui |
| 08:55.30 | GhostlyDeath | k |
| 08:55.31 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: run what i said or run export user=`finger| grep -m1 ":0 " | awk '{print $1}'`, followed by your echo |
| 08:55.32 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 08:55.50 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: export is required in a bash shell, not in the script |
| 08:56.20 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: oh yeah if I just run that it returns to the next line without printing anything |
| 08:57.12 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: still? |
| 08:57.22 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: what does finger give you? - I just ran that and it gives expected username |
| 08:57.31 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yep |
| 08:57.37 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: run just finger |
| 08:58.21 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: finger gives a table with the logged in username realname login time etc |
| 08:58.34 | Rohinton | valdyn: that won't work if display is not 0... |
| 08:58.49 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: your display may not be 0, that would make that line wrong, what's your display? |
| 08:59.06 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it is 0 |
| 08:59.06 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: your display may not be 0, that would make that line wrong, but not the script,what's your display? |
| 08:59.09 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I just raun DISPLAY=:0 glxgears |
| 08:59.22 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: paste the output of finger |
| 08:59.32 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: also echo $DISPLAY |
| 08:59.51 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: paste the output of finger | grep -m1 ":0 " too |
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| 09:01.05 | EruditeHermit | $DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 09:01.46 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: Ha! 0.0 not :0... |
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| 09:02.19 | valdyn | :0.0 is fine |
| 09:02.32 | EruditeHermit | what is the paste website again? |
| 09:02.38 | valdyn | !paste |
| 09:02.38 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 09:03.21 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: finger | grep -m1 ":0 " returns a blank |
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| 09:03.23 | Rohinton | valdyn: I just tried and no it is not... |
| 09:03.54 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: show us the whole output of finger |
| 09:04.06 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: now try with 0.0 ? |
| 09:04.13 | EruditeHermit | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5920 |
| 09:04.30 | xingu | pet peeve - try '/:'"$displaynum"'/ { print $1; exit; }' |
| 09:04.59 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: your finger seems broken, it needs to display a line like: valdyn *:0 Mar 31 21:12 |
| 09:05.12 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: mind the *:0 in the 2nd column |
| 09:05.42 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: is your X started with 'startx' ? |
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| 09:05.44 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: have you by any changes telnet'ed 0 or rlogin'ed 0? |
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| 09:06.24 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: started with kdm |
| 09:06.26 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: nope |
| 09:06.39 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: finger Version: 0.17-10 |
| 09:06.46 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: reboot, log back into X and try finger |
| 09:06.56 | EruditeHermit | ok brb |
| 09:06.57 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: i dont think the program itself is broken, but the data |
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| 09:07.49 | xingu | kdm might be unable to write to wtmp |
| 09:08.01 | xingu | or not configured to |
| 09:08.11 | valdyn | xingu: wtmp used to break from time to time, im not sure why |
| 09:08.22 | valdyn | xingu: never investigated.. |
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| 09:08.55 | xingu | valdyn: it racy crap is why; wtmp should really be a line printer not a "database" |
| 09:09.56 | lilliput | Hello all, I'm using debootstrap to install etch on a pc, but once the packages downloaded and the chroot environment build I can find the command base-config has it been renamed ? |
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| 09:10.01 | xingu | valdyn: the only collision avoidance for w/utmp is if everything plays nice and flock doesn't lie |
| 09:10.30 | valdyn | lilliput: deboostrap is known broken past sarge |
| 09:10.46 | valdyn | lilliput: maybe jsut for that base-config, no idea |
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| 09:10.54 | Lamperi | opc0de: thx for the flood :p |
| 09:11.03 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: it works now! |
| 09:11.04 | Lamperi | s/opc0de/opqdonut/ |
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| 09:11.10 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: nice! |
| 09:11.27 | xingu | valdyn: sun eventually replaced the direct file access with a daemon and got libc to talk to *it* which serialises access and keeps it ~under control |
| 09:11.28 | opqdonut | Lamperi: Mui. |
| 09:11.32 | opqdonut | what flood btw? |
| 09:11.36 | Lamperi | nick-change |
| 09:11.38 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ok, as xingu said .. finger relies on wtmp and wtmp breaks sometimes. thats quite rare but happens |
| 09:11.39 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: do you think its because the finger data got messed up after a hibernate? |
| 09:11.48 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 09:11.50 | opqdonut | Lamperi: you're welcome |
| 09:11.55 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: i doubt that's related to hibernate |
| 09:11.58 | Lamperi | opqdonut: i am |
| 09:12.07 | lilliput | valdyn, so if I install sarge via debootstrap, I should not have any pb ? |
| 09:12.16 | valdyn | lilliput: yea |
| 09:12.25 | lilliput | thx |
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| 09:13.20 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: i had it break a few times on this box, no hibernate or suspend or whatever on it |
| 09:13.38 | archville | Hi. I see "linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" available in updates but i already have that kernel. If i update will i have to recompile custom kernel modules ? (wireless, nvidia...) |
| 09:13.53 | valdyn | archville: no |
| 09:14.05 | archville | ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:14.19 | valdyn | archville: as long as the kernel version stays the same "linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" you dont have to recompile |
| 09:14.21 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I even uncommented the checkpolicy line |
| 09:14.34 | valdyn | archville: if it became linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 you would have to |
| 09:14.54 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: ah, that works too now? |
| 09:15.04 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: yep |
| 09:15.04 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: neat |
| 09:15.07 | archville | Then i'll update it |
| 09:15.29 | EruditeHermit | valdyn, Rohinton, xingu: Thank you guys so much, sorry that took so long |
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| 09:15.51 | xingu | time is relative; lunch time doubly so |
| 09:15.53 | GhostlyDeath | failed |
| 09:16.01 | EruditeHermit | valdyn, Rohinton, xingu: I really appreciate the help thanks =) |
| 09:16.02 | GhostlyDeath | I tried rescueing it |
| 09:16.04 | Rohinton | EruditeHermit: np... off to sleep now goodnight. |
| 09:16.06 | GhostlyDeath | but I kept getting Error 1 |
| 09:16.11 | EruditeHermit | Rohinton: gnight |
| 09:16.15 | EruditeHermit | I'm off too |
| 09:16.18 | EruditeHermit | gnight guys |
| 09:17.00 | liable | GhostlyDeath: grub error 1? |
| 09:17.00 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: you here? |
| 09:17.03 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 09:17.10 | GhostlyDeath | It said |
| 09:17.10 | enouf | yep |
| 09:17.19 | GhostlyDeath | "grub-install returned error code 1" |
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| 09:18.18 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: did you use correct syntax |
| 09:18.41 | GhostlyDeath | I used the GUI |
| 09:18.54 | GhostlyDeath | I tried (hd0), /dev/sda1, /dev/sda |
| 09:18.58 | GhostlyDeath | The examples it provided |
| 09:19.15 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: |
| 09:19.20 | enouf | 1 : Filename must be either an absolute filename or blocklist This error is returned if a file name is requested which doesn't fit the syntax/rules listed in the Filesystem |
| 09:19.22 | liable | GhostlyDeath: when you get to a prompt, just type 'grub' |
| 09:19.29 | liable | do it interactively |
| 09:19.35 | GhostlyDeath | I did rescuegui |
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| 09:19.48 | xand | is it possible to have something in my interfaces file (ppp1), but make it dependent on another interface (ppp0) being connected to come up? |
| 09:20.01 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: I think you need '(hd0)' |
| 09:20.12 | xand | if i put ppp1 in there, it can't connect at boot etc because ppp0 takes a little while to connect and work |
| 09:20.14 | GhostlyDeath | quotes? |
| 09:20.18 | xingu | xand: don't thing so more's the pity |
| 09:20.24 | xand | :( |
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| 09:20.28 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: though /dev/sda should've also worked .. but yeah the ' ' s |
| 09:20.34 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 09:20.40 | xand | hmm |
| 09:20.42 | GhostlyDeath | damn examples said nothing about quotes |
| 09:20.48 | xingu | xand: is ppp1 a ppp-over-ip connection? |
| 09:20.51 | GhostlyDeath | I guess I'll retry it then |
| 09:20.58 | liable | xand: ppp0 post-up ppp1 cmd? |
| 09:21.03 | xand | ppp0 is adsl connection, ppp1 is vpn |
| 09:21.04 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i know ..and not certain .. but .. you can do it interactively as well |
| 09:21.11 | GhostlyDeath | so "'/dev/sda'" ? |
| 09:21.20 | xingu | xand: you could just configure it to "redial" - persist option I think it is |
| 09:21.25 | xand | hm |
| 09:21.35 | liable | GhostlyDeath: whats your / partition? |
| 09:21.53 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/sda3 |
| 09:21.55 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: not necesarry AFAIk for /dev/sda .. but hang on a sec .. I'm looking at some info |
| 09:22.08 | xingu | xand: and I think there's another ppp option that sets the minimum delay before dialling too |
| 09:22.16 | liable | GhostlyDeath: grub; root (sd0,2); setup (sd0); quit |
| 09:22.34 | xingu | xand: finally, you could put in a ppp pre-up check that literally didn't return until the remote vpn concentrator was reachable which should achieve the same result |
| 09:22.53 | xingu | xand: but no, there's no real concept of interface heirarchy in interfaces |
| 09:23.01 | GhostlyDeath | liable: do that from where? |
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| 09:23.17 | enouf | this is all i can tell ya about syntax http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Device-syntax |
| 09:23.34 | simonrvn | xingu: all except order in the file |
| 09:23.37 | liable | GhostlyDeath: a prompt, once you are chrooted into your installation |
| 09:23.39 | GhostlyDeath | hda = /cdrom though |
| 09:23.45 | enouf | liable: grub now uses sd ? |
| 09:23.50 | GhostlyDeath | rescuegui gives me 3 options |
| 09:23.59 | liable | enouf: if he has sd devices |
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| 09:24.03 | GhostlyDeath | Reinstall GRUB Boot Manager, Change Root partiion and reboot |
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| 09:24.24 | enouf | liable: i never heard of that .. wtf? |
| 09:24.38 | simonrvn | enouf: that sort of thing isn't dependent on the bootloader... |
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| 09:24.49 | GhostlyDeath | So when I do reinstall grub boot manager |
| 09:24.56 | GhostlyDeath | it asks me to use the special syntax |
| 09:25.00 | enouf | grubs root has nothing to do with / filesystem |
| 09:25.46 | liable | what you mean? |
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| 09:26.19 | Drstroker | hi all |
| 09:26.59 | Drstroker | i put a new nic in my hardware router, and it seems like the same type (chipset 8159) do i still need to install drivers? |
| 09:27.01 | liable | enouf: eh, maybe i am wrong with the sd bit, my box gives me hd too.. |
| 09:27.12 | dutchfish | hi guys how can i mkae midi's play through my ac97 sound system instead of the use mpu401 midi out? |
| 09:27.17 | enouf | Even in this ex; http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#device |
| 09:27.23 | Drstroker | or is there a way to tell if it is functioning without errors |
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| 09:28.20 | GhostlyDeath | I cant stay up any longer |
| 09:28.28 | GhostlyDeath | if any of you figure anything out |
| 09:28.30 | GhostlyDeath | e-mail me |
| 09:28.38 | GhostlyDeath | ghostlydeath@gmail.com |
| 09:29.02 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: grub counts from 1st HDD (no matter what the interface, Sata, Pata, Scsi) as hd0 .. then hd1 is 2nd HDD .. a HDD is anything that supports INT13h exts AFAIK |
| 09:29.03 | xand | k thanks |
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| 09:30.05 | dutchfish | or is there a module that renders midi in real time to pcm? |
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| 09:31.42 | enouf | now I see GhostlyDeath what "I" have been doing completely wrong |
| 09:32.12 | xingu | dutchfish: timidity |
| 09:32.13 | enouf | mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev <-- is correct .. duh duh duh |
| 09:32.18 | dutchfish | i have installed alsa-utils |
| 09:32.28 | xingu | dutchfish: s/module/application/ - transcoding is a userspace issue. |
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| 09:32.41 | woburn | trying to re-build kernel. failed 'make menuconfig'. scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory. i have libncurses installed. what else to check? |
| 09:32.56 | dutchfish | xingu, timidity plays midi but i dont hear anything |
| 09:33.07 | liable | woburn: libncurses5-dev |
| 09:33.28 | woburn | liable: that could be it. will try, thks. |
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| 09:33.43 | Drstroker | how can i tell if my eth0 device driver is correct? |
| 09:33.54 | dutchfish | xingu, idd like to use rosegarden to play without actually need a keyboard |
| 09:34.23 | xingu | dutchfish: timidity claims to be able to provide an alsa sequencer device |
| 09:34.56 | dutchfish | xingu, checking it out |
| 09:36.05 | dutchfish | xingu, i got /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory |
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| 09:37.50 | woburn | liable: that was it. thks. i would still need libncurses5 too, right? |
| 09:37.59 | xingu | dutchfish: http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/alsa.html has example invocation |
| 09:38.15 | liable | woburn: not sure, just know you need the -dev for menuconfig |
| 09:38.30 | dutchfish | xingu, thx! |
| 09:38.41 | xingu | dutchfish: perhaps you need "freepats" package or to confmiss timidity |
| 09:38.53 | woburn | liable: what about 'make xconfig', which qt package would i need? |
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| 09:39.33 | liable | woburn: erm, i haventtried that one for years, and it was always a pita to find the correct qt packages |
| 09:39.51 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: Oh FFS .. that was it all along .. my stupid --bind mounts (dev and proc) just need one subDIR each created for them .. ala mount -- bind /proc /mnt/point/proc <-- like that .. then do the same for /dev .. THEN you can "chroot /mnt/point" .. i just did it here (rememeber to mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /mnt/point PRIOR to any of that) |
| 09:39.54 | woburn | liable: k, thks anyway. |
| 09:41.42 | elshaa | how do I know which processes uses which TCP port ? usn't it fuser ? |
| 09:41.47 | liable | ah, theres nothing a good binge drinking session wont fix |
| 09:42.12 | liable | elshaa: netstat |
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| 09:42.35 | elshaa | liable: ah, thanks 1 |
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| 09:43.58 | buu | Hrm. Is there anything that will display images in X I can easily launch from the CLI? |
| 09:44.22 | cafuego_ | enouf: Yeh, though /dev isn't needed |
| 09:44.46 | dutchfish | xingu, i have sound now & midi is playing through alsa in my ac97, how can i get rosegarden to use the same way? |
| 09:44.53 | Skaag | hey, I have a directory with tons of .deb files how do I search them all for a specific library file within? |
| 09:45.32 | wols_ | ls *libraryname* |
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| 09:45.55 | xand | which manpage documents /etc/ppp/peers/* files? |
| 09:46.01 | enouf | cafuego_: hrm .. really? thanks .. now you tell me :-P |
| 09:46.01 | liable | Skaag: are they installed, or just debs in a dir? |
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| 09:46.40 | wols_ | xand: ppp. those files are normal pppd config settings |
| 09:47.00 | enouf | cafuego_: I was going ape shit here thinking i ALSO need to specify type .. like for /proc using mount --bind -t proc /proc /mnt/point |
| 09:47.07 | xand | there is no "ppp" manpage |
| 09:47.17 | xand | I guess pppd |
| 09:47.17 | cafuego_ | enouf: Well, depending on what you want to do with it. For normal operation, just /proc. If you need to run X stuff, /tmp and /home are handy too. |
| 09:47.22 | valdyn | Skaag: dpkg --contents file.deb |
| 09:47.24 | Skaag | liable: not installed |
| 09:47.31 | Skaag | thanks valdyn |
| 09:47.40 | liable | xand: pppconfig mebbe, its mentioned in man pon, though doesnt describe the syntax |
| 09:48.11 | enouf | cafuego_: I see .. right .. i need to expand on my chroot thinking .. I have 2 separate Debian Installs here, on 2 separate physical HDDs that I can play with for testing |
| 09:48.44 | cafuego_ | enouf: I decided that was all too much hassle and just plonked it all into vmware ;-) |
| 09:49.02 | enouf | cafuego_: /tmp being important. becauseit holds all the lockfile stuff and whatnot .. right? |
| 09:49.11 | enouf | cafuego_: heh .. |
| 09:49.28 | cafuego_ | enouf: yup, and X socket files |
| 09:49.38 | enouf | cafuego_: if one wants to chroot and use that as the same user they already are with CX |
| 09:49.42 | enouf | er X |
| 09:49.47 | cafuego_ | indeed. |
| 09:49.49 | enouf | right .. okie .. thanks |
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| 09:50.11 | cafuego_ | For instance to run a 32bit firefox with flash and java on a 64bit system. |
| 09:50.49 | enouf | ahhh .. it's start to gel over here .. look out .. I smell smoke :-) |
| 09:51.51 | enouf | one certainly knows when they've peeled an entre layer of the onion away :-) |
| 09:51.58 | archville | In what package comes the "su" command ? |
| 09:52.10 | valdyn | !tell archville -about search |
| 09:52.39 | archville | i did, but there are lots of results when apt-cache search su |
| 09:52.47 | valdyn | archville: bin/su |
| 09:52.47 | dutchfish | xingu, got it working i needed to start timidity and inform alsa subsystem as server |
| 09:53.14 | dutchfish | xingu, ty very much! |
| 09:53.24 | valdyn | archville: or just 'dpkg -S `which su` if its installed |
| 09:53.26 | enouf | archville: login: /bin/su |
| 09:53.46 | archville | I just need to reinstall it |
| 09:53.56 | enouf | archville: apt-get install dlocate, then dlocate `which su` |
| 09:54.13 | archville | mmm, thanks |
| 09:54.20 | enouf | archville: apt-get install login |
| 09:54.43 | archville | ok |
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| 09:55.42 | enouf | valdyn: sorry about butting in on your teaching the fishies ;-) |
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| 10:00.36 | enouf | archville: you'll need to run updatedb (as root) before dlocate will find it (IINM) .. updatedb usually runs once a day on it's own as part of cron.daily AFAIK |
| 10:00.55 | enouf | as default anyways |
| 10:01.07 | archville | i disabled uddatedb in cron.daily, but i'll do it now and dlocate again |
| 10:01.34 | enouf | archville: dpkg -S will too, but dlocate is darned fast |
| 10:01.54 | enouf | and dpkg -S doesn't need the updatedb bulldoggyness |
| 10:02.27 | enouf | but it's slower .. yet dpkg does som much more |
| 10:04.11 | hark | it's chihuahua fast! |
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| 10:04.48 | avtobiff | sparky chihuahua |
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| 10:05.40 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:05.40 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
| 10:06.16 | enouf | hark: hehe .. I've seen thaty question lately more than a few times.. |
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| 10:09.26 | enouf | Eagle scout? http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/eaglescout.htm :-) |
| 10:10.07 | hark | heh |
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| 10:10.07 | hark | !qotd167 |
| 10:10.07 | dpkg | hmm... qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 10:10.13 | Gathond | just tell them to rm /proc/kcore .. its what takes up most of the space anyways:) |
| 10:10.31 | enouf | oh dear dooglus |
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| 10:21.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Latest headline: RMS announces deal between Microsoft and the FSF making the former excempt from the latter's copyright, the deal cost Microsoft $840.000.000 |
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| 10:30.57 | Madsy | What packet contains the linux header/libraries? uninst.h with execve, fork, and the like? |
| 10:31.20 | nvz | !find uninst.h |
| 10:31.51 | mne | hi, i would like to set up a software raid-1 array. I have a preinstalled debian on the machine, which contains 2 HDDs with equal size. the first one contains the system and the second one is empty. Now i would like to set up raid-1 so that the first disk is mirrored onto the second disk. can anyone suggest a good manual ? |
| 10:32.49 | wols_ | Madsy: fork is in uninst.h? |
| 10:33.05 | wols_ | execve too? |
| 10:33.16 | thomasg_ | how google can deliver its search results: http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html |
| 10:33.23 | Madsy | my bad |
| 10:33.26 | Madsy | unistd.h |
| 10:33.31 | wols_ | thomasg_: that's several years old |
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| 10:33.40 | wols_ | !tell Madsy about build-essential |
| 10:33.45 | mne | have a look at the man pages for fork and execve. it tells you which header files you need |
| 10:33.58 | Madsy | wols_: Thanks a lot. |
| 10:34.03 | wols_ | and the package is libc6-dev |
| 10:34.11 | mne | right |
| 10:34.44 | thomasg_ | wols_, it is, but its cool and maybe not everybody knows |
| 10:35.17 | wols_ | only people living under rocks |
| 10:35.30 | thomasg_ | ^^ |
| 10:35.47 | wols_ | TISP and google paper are much cooler. Buy paper maker stocks today. they will RISE! |
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| 10:36.12 | veli_ | tarzeau |
| 10:36.43 | veli_ | tarzeau duyduguma gore artik debain.tr ye girmiyomussun hayirdir noluyoruz? |
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| 10:37.39 | wols_ | !tr |
| 10:37.39 | dpkg | tr is probably türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 10:44.34 | veli_ | dpkg thnrks |
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| 10:45.11 | veli_ | but not need hep about debian.tr |
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| 10:45.26 | veli_ | vayy be ne ingilizce konusuyorum haa |
| 10:45.57 | Csop | :D |
| 10:45.57 | Csop | veli_ Tbr :D |
| 10:45.57 | veli_ | sagol koc |
| 10:45.57 | Csop | rica |
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| 10:46.07 | veli_ | zikcem ben bunlari, hemen debain.tr ye gir diyolar isin ozunu anlamadan |
| 10:46.19 | Csop | ben ilk DeFa girdim buraya |
| 10:46.22 | Csop | nedir ki ? |
| 10:46.28 | veli_ | bilmiyom ki |
| 10:46.33 | Csop | neye yarýyor burAsý :D |
| 10:46.42 | veli_ | ne bilim minakoyim 4 senedir gelirim ben buraya |
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| 10:46.45 | veli_ | halen ogrenebilmis diilim |
| 10:46.47 | Csop | :D |
| 10:46.47 | veli_ | sanirim bi bok yapmiyolar |
| 10:46.51 | Csop | biþier yazýyorlar ama |
| 10:46.52 | Csop | :D |
| 10:46.56 | veli_ | herkez ole cool cool duruyo |
| 10:47.03 | Csop | ::D:D:D:D |
| 10:47.17 | Csop | þþ |
| 10:47.19 | Csop | KýzLar :D |
| 10:48.00 | Csop | robin_sz Tenným :D |
| 10:48.02 | veli_ | lan manyakmisin, linux la ilgilenen kiz olurmu |
| 10:48.04 | jatt | !english |
| 10:48.05 | dpkg | i heard english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 10:48.08 | veli_ | olursa da ya sisco yada killidir |
| 10:48.11 | Csop | veli_ Sakala Saka :D |
| 10:48.14 | jatt | uh |
| 10:48.15 | veli_ | sory dpkg |
| 10:48.22 | Csop | No SorY :D |
| 10:48.27 | Csop | WhY Sory ? |
| 10:48.27 | veli_ | bize kiziyolar olm |
| 10:48.29 | veli_ | sory de |
| 10:48.33 | Csop | :D |
| 10:48.39 | veli_ | ozur dile lan cabuk atcaklar yoksa |
| 10:48.40 | Csop | SorY frienDs |
| 10:48.42 | veli_ | bunlar affetmez |
| 10:48.44 | xand | !ops Csop and veli_ trolling |
| 10:48.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: Csop and veli_ trolling |
| 10:48.58 | Csop | ne yapýyo LA bunlar |
| 10:49.04 | veli_ | no turkish |
| 10:49.07 | veli_ | english speak |
| 10:49.09 | veli_ | yes yes |
| 10:49.11 | veli_ | okey |
| 10:49.15 | veli_ | i m understand |
| 10:49.15 | peterS | stop it, both of you |
| 10:49.16 | jatt | could you please take your conversation to a private channel? Thank you. |
| 10:49.18 | Csop | YEs okEY VerY Good |
| 10:49.21 | x_link | Is there any other cleaning tool then deborphan? |
| 10:49.26 | Csop | jatt oke |
| 10:49.27 | veli_ | okey |
| 10:49.29 | jatt | x_link: debfoster |
| 10:49.41 | x_link | jatt: Okej. |
| 10:49.48 | veli_ | okey i am ali |
| 10:49.54 | Csop | i am CaN |
| 10:49.56 | x_link | jatt: How do I run the command? |
| 10:49.56 | veli_ | he is csop |
| 10:49.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 10:50.01 | veli_ | yes can |
| 10:50.02 | *** mode/#debian [-bb %Csop!*@* %veli_!*@*] by peterS |
| 10:50.05 | Csop | oke Ali Baba |
| 10:50.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 10:50.11 | x_link | !debfoster |
| 10:50.11 | dpkg | i guess debfoster is a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 10:50.14 | peterS | argh |
| 10:50.15 | xand | s/-/+/ |
| 10:50.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 10:50.19 | veli_ | no ali baba, i im only ali |
| 10:50.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bb %Csop!*@* %veli_!*@*] by peterS |
| 10:50.24 | jatt | here it comes... |
| 10:50.25 | xand | thanks |
| 10:50.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 10:50.36 | streuner_ | !beer peterS |
| 10:50.45 | jatt | thanks! |
| 10:50.50 | robin_sz | phew |
| 10:50.51 | x_link | jatt: How do I run the command? Should I just type "debfoster" in my konsole? |
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| 10:51.07 | jatt | x_link: yes (with sudo or as root) |
| 10:51.07 | peterS | I should've done that immediately, but sometimes people actually do stop being idiots when you ask them to.. |
| 10:51.25 | robin_sz | x_link, man debfoster first. find out what you need to know about what its going to do |
| 10:51.49 | streuner_ | peterS: http://www.google.com/tisp/ |
| 10:52.06 | streuner_ | peterS: is this a kind of april joke? :-) |
| 10:52.24 | x_link | jatt: hmm it just tells me what it will keep, not what it will remove. |
| 10:52.38 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13344/ |
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| 10:52.45 | x_link | jatt: I got that output fromthe command. |
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| 10:53.15 | jatt | x_link: it asks you what you want to keep. If you answer No, it will remove the mentioned package |
| 10:53.15 | Ind[y] | Hello. How can I set "sudo" to prompt for the root password? |
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| 10:54.34 | x_link | jatt: Wow... it's alot of files. |
| 10:54.40 | x_link | jatt: I don't know what all those files do. |
| 10:54.51 | x_link | jatt: Maybe it's better to keep everything then? |
| 10:55.13 | jatt | x_link: you must be careful with debfoster, as robin_sz read the man page first before using it |
| 10:55.21 | BudgetDedicated | cool 1-april joke that tistp great thanks for the laugh |
| 10:55.35 | x_link | jatt: If I want to keep everything, should I just hit "N" then? |
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| 10:55.54 | x_link | jatt: I don't want to remove anything at all, I want to keep everything as it is. |
| 10:55.55 | robin_sz | x_link, you read the manpage didnt you? |
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| 10:56.49 | x_link | robin_sz: No.. cause I don't want to use this program since I don't know what all files do. |
| 10:57.12 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 10:57.15 | jatt | sigh |
| 10:57.36 | robin_sz | x_link, so, you ran a program that you dont want to use, as root, withjout first finding out what it does? |
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| 10:58.11 | x_link | robin_sz: Yeah I did that mistake. |
| 10:58.15 | mynullvoid | I am trying to create bootstrap from my sarge for a sid, but I am having problem of missing packages, there are base-config,ipchains,libgnutls11,libnewt0.51,libsigc++-1.2-5c102,libtasn1-2,netkit-inetd,slang1a-utf8 how do fix this? |
| 10:58.16 | x_link | robin_sz: But I'm reading it now. |
| 10:58.24 | robin_sz | good :) |
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| 10:58.27 | mynullvoid | I am trying to install debian on my USB |
| 10:58.28 | x_link | robin_sz: It says that if I want to keep all packages I should press "y". |
| 10:58.34 | mynullvoid | USB pendrive |
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| 10:58.43 | x_link | So I guess I must press Y then enter, since I don't want to remove anything. |
| 10:58.47 | robin_sz | well, see that was worthe reading then |
| 10:58.58 | robin_sz | just control-c would probably do |
| 10:59.08 | wols_ | mynullvoid: install etch, update to sid |
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| 10:59.20 | x_link | robin_sz: Okej. |
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| 10:59.29 | mynullvoid | ok, I will try |
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| 10:59.52 | x_link | robin_sz: Just one more thing, why doesn't apt-get remove --purge remove whole packages? |
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| 11:00.05 | robin_sz | it does |
| 11:00.22 | _syphilis_ | "Delete" is an onjoin spammer |
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| 11:00.52 | x_link | robin_sz: When I install something on 10MB for example and then do apt-get remove --purge it just removes like 987kb for exmaple. |
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| 11:04.30 | perlmonkey | trajan_ hi |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'uninst.h' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.53 | trajan_ | hi perlmonkey |
| 11:06.17 | nvz | x_link: dependencies? |
| 11:06.32 | x_link | nvz: What? |
| 11:06.33 | nvz | x_link: sounds to me like you should learn the word aptitude |
| 11:07.13 | x_link | nvz: Does aptitude clean up better than apt-get? |
| 11:07.14 | perlmonkey | trajan_ are you from Montpellier? |
| 11:07.14 | nvz | x_link: and use it in place of apt-get |
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| 11:07.14 | nvz | x_link: yes, it does |
| 11:07.14 | x_link | So I should do "aptitude purge filename" insteaed? |
| 11:07.14 | mynullvoid | wols_: my /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ only contains potato sarge sarge.buildd sid sid.buildd slink woody woody.buildd, how do I get etch? |
| 11:07.14 | Gge | Why nobody is taking about Synaptics ? |
| 11:07.14 | nvz | x_link: have to use it all the time to see real benefit |
| 11:07.22 | x_link | nvz: Alright. |
| 11:07.24 | trajan_ | yes perlmonkey |
| 11:07.29 | nvz | Gge: why would nobody talk about synaptics? |
| 11:07.35 | x_link | nvz: So I should install things with aptitude as well instead? |
| 11:07.42 | nvz | x_link: yep |
| 11:08.02 | perlmonkey | trajan_ cool, what area are you from? |
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| 11:08.10 | x_link | nvz: Alright. |
| 11:08.13 | Gge | or do not use synaptics ? |
| 11:08.15 | nvz | x_link: it marks dependencies as "auto installed" from what I gather so when they arent needed anymore they are removed |
| 11:08.17 | bytejumper | hi all |
| 11:08.20 | bytejumper | how I can log connections that are done more often that 5 times per minute ? |
| 11:08.31 | nvz | Gge: wtf are you talking about the touchpad technology? |
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| 11:09.15 | perlmonkey | trajan_: is it anywhere near Lattes? |
| 11:09.21 | Gge | No , With Etch , update can be done by apt-get .. or synaptics |
| 11:09.39 | nvz | Gge: no, synaptics is a company that makes touchpads.. |
| 11:09.44 | trajan_ | perlmonkey, no no montpellier not a little town near :) |
| 11:09.44 | nvz | !info synaptic |
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| 11:09.58 | xand | Gge: there's no S on the end |
| 11:10.04 | trajan_ | near university |
| 11:10.04 | perlmonkey | trajan_: d'accord |
| 11:10.06 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.57.11.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1790 kB, Installed size: 5412 kB |
| 11:10.08 | trajan_ | ;) |
| 11:10.12 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 11:10.18 | Gge | xand , right |
| 11:10.26 | trajan_ | rare de voir des francais ici |
| 11:10.35 | x_link | nvz: Okej, thanks for telling me this mate, I really appreciate it! |
| 11:10.41 | perlmonkey | trajan_ oui |
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| 11:10.57 | perlmonkey | trajan_ my girlfriend is from Montpellier |
| 11:11.01 | nvz | no problem... |
| 11:11.01 | Gge | trajan , ah |
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| 11:11.26 | trajan_ | perlmonkey, where r u from ? lattes montpellier ? other place ? |
| 11:11.46 | perlmonkey | trajan_ I'm from UK |
| 11:11.56 | trajan_ | ah ok :) |
| 11:12.17 | trajan_ | thats what i said not a lots of french here ! :) |
| 11:12.20 | Gge | Expat in Bombay |
| 11:12.22 | perlmonkey | true |
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| 11:13.05 | perlmonkey | bombay mix |
| 11:13.11 | perlmonkey | hot & spicey |
| 11:13.17 | Gge | yeah |
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| 11:13.33 | perlmonkey | japanese! |
| 11:13.38 | perlmonkey | _go: greetings |
| 11:13.39 | xand | its not japanese |
| 11:13.47 | perlmonkey | jp = japan no? |
| 11:13.53 | xand | isn't it called Mumbai now anyway |
| 11:14.06 | Gge | yes |
| 11:14.16 | perlmonkey | japanese even more rare than french in #debian |
| 11:14.59 | Gge | y a t'il debian-fr |
| 11:15.11 | Gge | never tried |
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| 11:18.02 | perlmonkey | vie a la francaise |
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| 11:19.00 | vlt|home | Hello. Where can I see the clock speed of the RAM? Is there a /proc/ file for this info? |
| 11:19.39 | wols_ | vlt|home: what CPU do you have? running at what speed? |
| 11:20.26 | vlt|home | wols_: "model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+", "cpu MHz : 1999.084" |
| 11:20.49 | vlt|home | ^^^ that's from /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:20.50 | wols_ | buy DDR2-533 (or faster) |
| 11:20.53 | perlmonkey | trajan_ parle avec HymnToLife |
| 11:20.54 | epsilon | doesn't the bios tell you the CL? |
| 11:21.33 | vlt|home | wols_: I currently have built in DDR2-667 bars but don't know if they're running on 533 or 667 MHz ... |
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| 11:22.10 | wols_ | vlt|home: your CPU runs at |
| 11:22.15 | wols_ | 533 |
| 11:22.27 | wols_ | unless you overclock, which you havent it seems |
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| 11:22.47 | vlt|home | wols_: Where do you know the CPU speed? (I don't overclock) |
| 11:23.04 | crm_ | how do you overclock? |
| 11:23.19 | crm_ | is it by setting stuff in the bios?? |
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| 11:23.33 | crm_ | or is it by switching physical hardware? |
| 11:23.57 | HostilePenguin | changing fsb and multiplyer |
| 11:24.06 | HostilePenguin | in bios or with jumpers |
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| 11:24.21 | wols_ | vlt|home: you pasted it. 1999.084 MHz |
| 11:24.37 | vlt|home | wols_: Yes, but that's not 533 ;-) |
| 11:24.42 | wols_ | crm_: BIOS or programs usually. sometimes but rarely hardware |
| 11:24.49 | vlt|home | wols_: So where do you know it from? |
| 11:25.01 | wols_ | vlt|home: you X3800 uses 533 by default. unless you overclock. period |
| 11:25.04 | HostilePenguin | why you pointing at my head? |
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| 11:25.22 | crm_ | how am i going to overclock my nec versa lx pmmx vlt|home ? |
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| 11:25.44 | vlt|home | wols_: Ok, I didn't know that. |
| 11:25.47 | crm_ | HostilePenguin .. you want to gamble on it.. is it a pointer or a gun scope? |
| 11:25.59 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: there aren't any boards with jumpers since the P5 era... |
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| 11:26.29 | bzed | good morning #debian! |
| 11:27.10 | wols_ | vlt|home: install lm-sensors. there is a script with it "decode-dimms.pl" |
| 11:27.11 | crm_ | or you could just accept to be my evil minion and do my evil bidding |
| 11:27.33 | crm_ | which starts on ebay at about 9 |
| 11:27.33 | wols_ | crm_: people with nec versas aren't evil overlords |
| 11:27.44 | vlt|home | wols_: Thank you. |
| 11:27.49 | bzed | wols_: http://www.google.com/tisp/ does that work with debian? :P |
| 11:27.53 | pragma_ | That is why I do not drink Pepsi. |
| 11:27.56 | crm_ | sure we are.. we just haven't released the power of the kernel yet! |
| 11:28.04 | wols_ | bzed: only if the loo runs debian of course |
| 11:28.18 | crm_ | yes yes.... the kernel |
| 11:28.28 | bzed | wols_: my ceramics are all running 2.6.20, of course |
| 11:28.58 | wols_ | pffft. you need t kernel patch for 2.6.20.3 to make it run stable (mm tree with some choice bits from CK only) |
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| 11:29.16 | wols_ | CK only for the special QoS tho |
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| 11:30.03 | wols_ | bzed: you need to buy papare stcks btw. when googlepaper hits their stocks will shoot in the stratosphere |
| 11:30.06 | crm_ | you are now under my controllll |
| 11:30.17 | crm_ | whoops.. sorry.. wrong channel |
| 11:30.30 | wols_ | here kiddo, buy a spellchecker |
| 11:30.35 | crm_ | ahh.. effective already |
| 11:30.42 | bzed | wols_: i thought using google paper to wipe my a** would do the job LD |
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| 11:32.10 | paul- | How can i block modules? I ve put them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it does not work |
| 11:33.25 | bzed | paul-: I think you need to run update-modules after that. not sure, though |
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| 11:34.39 | wols_ | !blacklist |
| 11:34.39 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 11:35.03 | vlt|home | wols_: I ran `decode-dimms.pl` ==> "Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded 0". Any other idea? |
| 11:35.32 | crm_ | you know |
| 11:35.32 | wols_ | as I said: unless you overclock: 533 |
| 11:35.42 | crm_ | you're all just wasting your life away |
| 11:35.57 | crm_ | you should subscribe to #robotics |
| 11:35.57 | paul- | thx wols_ |
| 11:35.58 | wols_ | crm_: yes reading what you write is truly a waste of time. sorry |
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| 11:36.09 | vlt|home | wols_: Is the RAM speed always the same as the CPU's? |
| 11:36.10 | wols_ | and now stop spamming |
| 11:36.23 | crm_ | wols_ see.. knowing you suck is just a start |
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| 11:36.39 | crm_ | and i dont know if you've made a good start =} |
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| 11:36.59 | wols_ | yes, Sunday has arrived |
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| 11:37.32 | paul- | wols_: /etc/hotplug/ does not exist, i should create it, right? |
| 11:37.47 | wols_ | vlt|home: no. but ram being faster than the CPU is pretty useless. won't make the PC faster |
| 11:37.57 | wols_ | paul-: you running sarge or etch? |
| 11:38.02 | paul- | wols_: sarge |
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| 11:38.35 | vlt|home | wols_: Hmmm, I bought two DDR2-667 bars to speed up things a little. Seems to be useless then, right? |
| 11:38.40 | wols_ | paul-: I guess so then |
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| 11:38.54 | wols_ | vlt|home: just overclock your CPU then |
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| 11:39.05 | wfq | hello |
| 11:39.06 | vlt|home | wols_: Ok, got it ... |
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| 11:39.18 | wols_ | and faster ram rarely if ever speeds up the PC as a whole (the CPU cache prevents that) |
| 11:39.58 | wols_ | vlt|home: one thing you can do is lower your CAS latency. that does speed athlons up |
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| 11:40.11 | wols_ | and you still run your hardware in spec |
| 11:41.08 | wfq | dos anyone have some idea where the hotplug firmeware loading support is in the kernel 2.6.20? Before it used to be in Device Driver-->Generic Driver Option...but i can't find it |
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| 11:42.30 | AndyGee | Hi |
| 11:42.32 | crm_ | well.. everyone #ai is not good at anything wols_ |
| 11:42.38 | crm_ | and thats not spam |
| 11:43.12 | wols_ | crm_: do you have a debian question or problem? or are you here to troll? |
| 11:43.52 | crm_ | wols_.. i asked all my debian questions earlier |
| 11:46.17 | AndyGee | Can one of you help me out with a quick way to decode a quoted-printable file, i would apreciate it. |
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| 11:47.28 | HostilePenguin | memory is funny taking cas 2.5 to cas 2 might cause instability |
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| 11:48.21 | wols_ | not if you underclock it already |
| 11:48.21 | HostilePenguin | what athlon do you have |
| 11:48.26 | Gathond | HostilePenguin: what is so funny about that? |
| 11:48.42 | Gathond | HostilePenguin: that applies to most things when one uses it in ways its not intended |
| 11:49.12 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: PS DDR2 has no CAS2 or CAS 2.5 ( I'd wish...) |
| 11:49.27 | HostilePenguin | im just saying people get to messing in their bios and changing memory timings and wondering why it dosent run right |
| 11:49.48 | HostilePenguin | i know ddr 2 cas timings are different than ddr |
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| 11:49.53 | Gathond | HostilePenguin: true, just the phrase funny I objected to:) |
| 11:50.37 | HostilePenguin | im running mushkin pc2700 at 200 fsb 10.5 multiplyer |
| 11:50.55 | HostilePenguin | by hre way mushkin rocks |
| 11:51.10 | HostilePenguin | at 2.5.2,2,7 |
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| 11:52.32 | HostilePenguin | lock the apc/pci slot bump up voltage to dim and vcore add some fans |
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| 11:54.04 | HostilePenguin | every box i have is running debian overclocked |
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| 11:55.27 | zenbum | I want a box that's underclocked & has no fans |
| 11:55.36 | HostilePenguin | thats retarded |
| 11:55.41 | HostilePenguin | buy a pda |
| 11:56.00 | wols_ | zenbum: except for PSU it's easy to do |
| 11:56.07 | wols_ | not even underlocking necessary |
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| 11:56.45 | HostilePenguin | i ran my brother in laws dell with ubuntu on a flash drive he loved it said it was so quiet |
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| 11:57.28 | ronni | apt-get is able to install a package and its dependencies... I have a .deb package already downloaded locally on my box, is dpkg able to install the .deb package and its dependencies like apt-get? if not, is there a tool that'll be able to do this? |
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| 11:57.51 | HostilePenguin | he used to hearing his overly infected windows drive read and write like crazy |
| 11:58.16 | wols_ | ronni: copy the package to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:58.17 | zenbum | yep quiet & cooler is the future |
| 11:58.23 | wols_ | then install via apt |
| 11:58.34 | ronni | wols_, thank you, I'll try that |
| 11:58.41 | HostilePenguin | yes it is but no one will sacrafice power |
| 11:58.55 | wols_ | if you buy the proper harddisk /seagate or samsung) you won't hear it |
| 11:59.08 | HostilePenguin | its not my machine |
| 11:59.20 | wols_ | but yes, Flash "harddisk" will come. notebooks at first |
| 11:59.27 | ronni | I bought a seagate 1 week ago |
| 11:59.33 | HostilePenguin | i have 2 sata rapters and 2 huge industrial fans mounted on the box |
| 11:59.36 | zenbum | power used to better animate 3D eye candy seems pointless to me |
| 11:59.37 | ronni | it's crackles a lot |
| 11:59.43 | HostilePenguin | the louder the better for me |
| 11:59.48 | ronni | it sounds like an untunes radio station.. |
| 11:59.50 | ronni | very strange sound |
| 11:59.52 | wols_ | ronni: what model? |
| 12:00.01 | ronni | just a second, let me find it |
| 12:00.08 | ronni | I mean, just a momemnt |
| 12:01.01 | HostilePenguin | it is useless but you see the way linux is traveling it is aimed at a larger crowd than ever before |
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| 12:03.06 | ronni | "Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA 3GB/S 7200RPM 16MB Cache Hard Drive 5YR MFR Warranty" (ST3250620AS) |
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| 12:03.30 | morvok_ | so I built a (vanilla) kernel and It panics out with VFS: cannot mount root device. yet grub is correct and I used the stock .config.. any ideas. |
| 12:03.49 | wfq | well, i can't find the hotplug firmware loading support in the 2.6.20 kernel configuration, as the documentation points to other place which is missing. The thing i have revised the .config file generated by the kernel recompilation and i could see all of hotplug inside are already loaded. do you thing it would be enough? |
| 12:03.50 | wols_ | morvok_: your initrd is wrong/missing |
| 12:04.13 | wols_ | ronni: I have the same disk (3 months old). works like a charm |
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| 12:04.37 | HostilePenguin | hotplug ? |
| 12:04.37 | ronni | do you hear any clicks from it? |
| 12:04.52 | wols_ | no |
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| 12:05.13 | ronni | wols_, is it enclosed in a computer case? |
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| 12:06.21 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:06.34 | wols_ | it's my desktop hdd |
| 12:06.45 | ronni | I have mine enclosed with a an external hard-drive enclosure: http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=RX-3HA/3HU/3SB&other_title=RX-3HA%2F3HU%2F3SBX+Craft |
| 12:07.12 | ronni | it's has a wireframed opening on the bottom, maybe that's why it's loud |
| 12:07.30 | HostilePenguin | my sata is only cnfigured for UDMA/100 how do you set that to UDMA/133 |
| 12:07.39 | wols_ | I had it layoung out of the case for a week (and running). didn't hear it |
| 12:07.43 | wols_ | besides: my case is open |
| 12:07.44 | ronni | I have been very tempted to RMA it, but I don't want to go through the hassle of waiting... i'm a bit impatient... |
| 12:07.52 | ronni | ohhh.. |
| 12:08.15 | ronni | yeah, mine is probably bad |
| 12:08.18 | ronni | :( |
| 12:08.29 | HostilePenguin | the drive is clicking how much did you pay for it i would rma it |
| 12:08.32 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: its sata, you don't need to care |
| 12:08.41 | AndyGee | how can i decode quoted-printable text coming from a pipe ? |
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| 12:09.20 | ronni | $84 CAD |
| 12:09.31 | HostilePenguin | i dont know why but ok |
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| 12:10.12 | HostilePenguin | i like wd or maxtor |
| 12:10.18 | morvok_ | wols_; thank you.. |
| 12:10.39 | ronni | everytime I read something about hard-drives, they dis maxtor |
| 12:10.44 | ronni | seagate bought maxtor |
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| 12:11.57 | HostilePenguin | i like maxtor they are good for a generic rig |
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| 12:14.45 | HostilePenguin | i just installed 2.4 on a 3gig fijtisu |
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| 12:15.42 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:15.48 | perlmonkey | HP: how did it go? |
| 12:16.12 | HostilePenguin | i could only get 2.4 to install its an amd k6 380 underclocked to 280 because i only had pc66 ram |
| 12:16.16 | bzed | HostilePenguin: maxtor is a cheap-bad-stuff series from seagate these days, I'd stick with seagate or so |
| 12:16.56 | perlmonkey | bzed: are Fujitsui drives good? |
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| 12:17.42 | perlmonkey | is that company related to Fuji? |
| 12:17.50 | wols_ | perlmonkey: no |
| 12:19.06 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:19.19 | HostilePenguin | im just saying you can get a decent drive at staples if your broke |
| 12:19.45 | perlmonkey | or on ebay :P |
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| 12:21.10 | ErkiDerLoony | Hello! How's the name of the command-line tool I can set partition-labels and uuids for ext3-partitions? It was something ending ...2fs, I think. |
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| 12:21.42 | ManuP | ErkiDerLoony, fdisk? |
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| 12:21.58 | HostilePenguin | charades |
| 12:22.35 | yopi | u'll wanna use 1 of e2fsck e2image e2label |
| 12:22.50 | yopi | use completion dude |
| 12:23.03 | crm_ | so |
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| 12:23.19 | yopi | it's funny this window popping up with nerd msgs |
| 12:23.59 | vlt|home | Hello. When running `qemu -nographic` what do I have to set as "-monitor" to redirect it to the current shell? |
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| 12:24.58 | ErkiDerLoony | Ah, ok, I found it. It was tune2fs. |
| 12:25.00 | ErkiDerLoony | Thanks. |
| 12:25.11 | yopi | ah sorry |
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| 12:28.16 | Eulex | can I download sources with aptitude, like you can do with apt-get source? |
| 12:28.20 | HostilePenguin | almost sauerbraten time :0 |
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| 12:32.11 | vlt|home | I tried "stdio" but just get a "(qemu)" prompt. I can't type anything there. The man page says "Unix only" for "stdio" ... could that be a problem? |
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| 12:32.38 | morvok_ | *builds another kernel.. |
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| 12:34.24 | wols_ | morvok_: any reason you must have an initrd? usually it's better to to compile the needed stuff in |
| 12:34.39 | wols_ | if one needs a new custom kernel at all that is |
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| 12:35.46 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 12:37.53 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 12:41.17 | morvok_ | wols_: I got everything fixed. :) just adding some extra options.. thanks for your help. |
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| 12:45.27 | stsch | hi |
| 12:45.34 | dazjorz | dvs: Yeah, indeed :) |
| 12:45.39 | dvs | heh |
| 12:45.45 | morvok_ | I remember when Gentoo said they could build there system around the NT4.0 kernel. |
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| 12:47.44 | dazjorz | Everybody here will probably think it's an april fools joke if I say that Microsoft and Novell are going to work together on a new Linux |
| 12:47.55 | dazjorz | But it seems to be true |
| 12:48.04 | morvok_ | they said that weeks ago. |
| 12:48.10 | dazjorz | The Linux kernel and Windows userland or so, I read a news article on that a while ago |
| 12:48.15 | morvok_ | Redhat wants the same deak. |
| 12:48.17 | morvok_ | deal. |
| 12:48.51 | morvok_ | I thought the deal was over sql. |
| 12:48.51 | ManuP | is that good or bad? |
| 12:49.20 | stsch | Do you have a hyperlink to a news article about that? |
| 12:49.30 | dazjorz | Not anymore |
| 12:49.47 | morvok_ | the Linux kernel can't stablize the poor coding of the microsoft userland :) |
| 12:50.41 | ManuP | !novell |
| 12:50.41 | dpkg | i guess novell is a company best known for its NetWare platform. They have now purchased SuSE and Ximian and have big plans for Linux on the desktop and corporate environments. |
| 12:51.51 | morvok_ | I hate Suse. my father uses it. him using it and the stupid problems it has, drives me insane. |
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| 12:54.15 | xand | suse is shite |
| 12:54.53 | jatt | debian>suse |
| 12:54.57 | ronni | Solaris is a good platform |
| 12:55.06 | ManuP | of course it is, otherwise you wouldnt be here |
| 12:55.21 | ronni | wrong timing |
| 12:55.22 | ronni | lol |
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| 12:55.42 | morvok_ | Solaris is best for Sun hardware. |
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| 12:56.07 | xand | is it possible to see the "uptime" for a network interface? |
| 12:56.23 | ManuP | yeah, right ronni. but everyone with an iq >70 will undestand |
| 12:56.46 | ManuP | uupss missing me.. i mean iq >= 70 ^^ |
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| 13:04.17 | dazjorz | Hmm |
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| 13:04.31 | dazjorz | what's the first executed boot file I can modify, but after the network is up? |
| 13:04.40 | dazjorz | since I have a virtual IPv6 interface named 'daz6' |
| 13:04.48 | dazjorz | that I want to be brought up right after eth0 |
| 13:04.53 | dazjorz | it doesn't happen automatically |
| 13:05.24 | asg | dazjorz: use the 'up' pragma in /etc/network/interfaces. man 5 interfaces |
| 13:05.33 | dvs | dazjorz: there is an option in /etc/network/interfaces to run a program once an interface is up |
| 13:05.34 | dazjorz | asg: ok, thanks :) |
| 13:05.44 | dazjorz | thanks both :) |
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| 13:07.31 | dazjorz | so adding "post-up ifup daz6" below iface eth0 inet static will do the job? |
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| 13:07.58 | dvs | dazjorz: you might want to specify the full path to the program. |
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| 13:08.56 | dazjorz | uh |
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| 13:09.06 | dazjorz | oh |
| 13:09.07 | dazjorz | too late. |
| 13:09.13 | dazjorz | it was /sbin/ifup |
| 13:09.17 | silke | test, sorry :-) |
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| 13:09.41 | dvs | !lart silke |
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| 13:10.06 | dazjorz | !lart God |
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| 13:10.31 | jelly-home | !botabuse |
| 13:10.32 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:10.43 | dazjorz | :( |
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| 13:11.31 | xand | of course it was dazjorz |
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| 13:11.38 | dazjorz | xand :( |
| 13:11.55 | xand | spammer! |
| 13:12.04 | asg | meat tosser! |
| 13:12.25 | dazjorz | !lart xand |
| 13:12.28 | dazjorz | behehe |
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| 13:21.10 | maddash | !sunday |
| 13:21.10 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:21.22 | dvs | ...and it's not just any Sunday |
| 13:21.30 | asg | maddash: and it's april 1 to boot |
| 13:21.41 | dvs | exactly |
| 13:22.14 | maddash | [sigh] |
| 13:23.50 | maddash | brb, maybe this April Fool's jinx has helped me get kvm working |
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| 13:26.16 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 13:26.28 | dazjorz | I can't bring up virtual ipv6 interfaces during boot? (post-up) |
| 13:26.28 | wfq | has anyone ever installed the ipw2200 intel wifi card and when was recompiling the ieee80211 module the systed asked for removing ieee old files found? |
| 13:26.35 | dazjorz | when I'm logged in, /sbin/ifup daz6 works fine |
| 13:26.40 | dazjorz | but when I set it as post-up, it gives an error |
| 13:26.42 | Kevin` | yes, wfq |
| 13:26.45 | wfq | i don't know what i cando in this point |
| 13:26.50 | wfq | i have to do it? |
| 13:27.07 | wfq | on the documentation i couldn't see anything about that |
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| 13:27.38 | wfq | kevin, what did you do? |
| 13:27.51 | Kevin` | replaced it |
| 13:27.56 | wfq | ok. thanks |
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| 13:28.40 | dazjorz | Hmm |
| 13:28.48 | dazjorz | Any way I can bring up a virtual interface during boot? |
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| 13:29.13 | wfq | but it is now asking me for commenting out something from the autoconf.h file... |
| 13:29.53 | zophy_ | dazjorz, huh ? |
| 13:30.28 | wfq | for examle it asked me for commenting out config_ieee =yes... i suppose the new drivel replace it by other one |
| 13:30.58 | dazjorz | zophy_: I have daz6, which is a virtual ipv6 tunnel |
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| 13:32.02 | dazjorz | zophy_: when I try to ifup it during boot (post-up for eth0), it gives me an error saying the interface doesn't exist |
| 13:32.13 | dazjorz | zophy_: but when I'm logged in and I manually ifup daz6, it works fine |
| 13:32.32 | alexIdoia | hi debian can someone remind me the cmd to see how much space left in a volume, the opposite of dh -u |
| 13:33.37 | asg | alexIdoia: du -h |
| 13:33.48 | asg | alexIdoia: or df |
| 13:34.08 | alexIdoia | oops sorry du -h yes |
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| 13:39.56 | zophy_ | dazjorz, maybe the hardware driver isn't loaded before the boot script tries to use the interface |
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| 13:40.21 | dazjorz | zophy_: Good idea... I wonder what the name would be |
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| 13:40.44 | zophy_ | lsmod might give us a clue |
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| 13:41.08 | dazjorz | ipv6 ? |
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| 13:41.15 | dazjorz | ipv6 230148 42 |
| 13:42.11 | dazjorz | adding modprobe ipv6 as a post-up |
| 13:42.35 | dvs | huh? |
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| 13:45.17 | pokingfun | zophy_: ??? |
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| 13:45.57 | dazjorz | it seems to work, woot. :) |
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| 13:50.21 | coold22 | hi all |
| 13:50.27 | coold22 | what's stdin exactly do? |
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| 13:52.28 | wols_ | input for your program. by default the keyboard |
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| 13:57.21 | HowlingMad | i have toshiba laptop with intel hdaudio , it seems to show hdaudio in micer but no sound comes out |
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| 14:01.09 | maddash | wow -- just installed compiz, and boy, was it not worth it |
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| 14:02.09 | plutonas | hello, i installed etch on my sisters laptop, the only problem is with the touchpad, it moves the mouse too litle, to go from the one side of the display to the other i need to get my finger ~10-12 times from the one side of the touchpad to the other |
| 14:02.18 | plutonas | and i can't set that from control center |
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| 14:02.33 | plutonas | neither from the packages that apeared with apt-cache search touchpad |
| 14:02.36 | plutonas | any ideas? |
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| 14:03.37 | HowlingMad | i haev same problem with this toshiba |
| 14:03.58 | HowlingMad | is toshiba u200 and touchpad is anoyingly slow |
| 14:04.29 | plutonas | well my sister has a vaio |
| 14:04.38 | plutonas | but did you do anything that solves the problem |
| 14:04.42 | dazjorz | Hmm |
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| 14:04.51 | dazjorz | I'd like to run a program in a screen on startup |
| 14:05.00 | plutonas | i don't think that under kubuntu, there was that problem, although i am not sure |
| 14:05.05 | dazjorz | I was thinking about /usr/bin/screen -d -m program |
| 14:05.07 | dazjorz | but that doesn't seem to work |
| 14:05.24 | dazjorz | also /bin/sh /usr/bin/screen -d -m program # gives error "cannot execute binary file" |
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| 14:08.12 | PachecoJ | I just recently switched to Debian so sorry for the newb question, but... are there any meta packages to setup a development workstation? |
| 14:08.22 | PachecoJ | I got everything running but barely any libs are installed so I can't compile anything, just wondering if there's an easy way to get the most popular libs installed and go from there |
| 14:08.47 | dazjorz | Depends on what you want |
| 14:08.56 | dazjorz | a lot of packages also have a -dev |
| 14:09.08 | dazjorz | I always had a compiler from the start |
| 14:09.27 | PachecoJ | dazjorz: Well there is a meta package for a "Desktop System" when you are setting up, I was wondering if there's something similar to a development system |
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| 14:09.48 | dazjorz | PachecoJ: I don't know what you mean with "development system/workstation" |
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| 14:09.55 | jelly-home | PachecoJ: well, to compile a Linux kernel, build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
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| 14:10.32 | dazjorz | libncurses is only for make menuconfig, right? |
| 14:10.38 | jelly-home | right |
| 14:10.46 | jelly-home | no house should be without it |
| 14:11.56 | Filip^ | I'm trying to find out how to install older versions of software using apt, but I'm not very successful. I need an older version of mythtv (because of the protocol used). How does apt handle this problem? |
| 14:11.59 | PachecoJ | dazjorz: By development system, I mean I'm basically looking for a meta package where it will install most libs/includes/etc,. that I will need so I don't have to install them piecemeal everytime I want to compile something... |
| 14:12.14 | PachecoJ | like libglib, libgtk, I didn't even have libstdc++6 installed by default |
| 14:12.22 | jelly-home | PachecoJ: for other stuff you expect you might be toying around with, you can do apt-get build-dep <package> to get the necessary ingredients to build <package> |
| 14:12.28 | dazjorz | PachecoJ: When you want to compile something and you miss a library, just install package-dev and I guess that's it |
| 14:12.47 | HowlingMad | said for me to install a package:gsynaptics for the touchpad |
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| 14:13.49 | PachecoJ | I guess it's just something I have to get used to because I switched to Debian from a source-based distro so I never really had a problem having libs installed... I'm getting used to having everything binary |
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| 14:13.53 | jelly-home | PachecoJ: eh. Will you be doing C++? Python? Ruby? GTK? Qt? Gnome? KDE? |
| 14:14.20 | PachecoJ | jelly-home: C++ definitely, also I tend to compile lots of stuff that needs gtk libs etc. |
| 14:14.52 | PachecoJ | is there like a gnome-dev package? or do I just install libgtk, libglib etc. one-by-one? |
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| 14:16.18 | PachecoJ | ah gnome-devel, gnome-core-devel got it |
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| 14:22.13 | xingu | plutonas, HowlingMad: try gsynaptics/ksynaptics. |
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| 14:22.48 | plutonas | xingu: i did, i did, the options i would like to set, aren't available |
| 14:22.59 | plutonas | and though i installed ksynaptics, it is not a command |
| 14:23.06 | plutonas | i tried some other commands too |
| 14:23.13 | plutonas | tpconfig etc |
| 14:23.51 | xingu | plutonas: in etc/X11/xorg.conf, what driver are you using for your mouse device? |
| 14:24.14 | plutonas | synaptics |
| 14:24.19 | plutonas | oh nope |
| 14:24.23 | plutonas | there are two devices |
| 14:24.29 | plutonas | one mouse and one touchpad |
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| 14:24.37 | plutonas | you ask for the second one, right? |
| 14:25.03 | xingu | plutonas: the touchpad is probably the interesting one |
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| 14:25.26 | plutonas | yeah, the driver there is synaptics |
| 14:25.39 | xingu | plutonas: and protocol? |
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| 14:26.03 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 14:26.58 | Mazingaro | please how can I make udev mount automagically a partition? |
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| 14:27.51 | plutonas | xingu: auto-dev |
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| 14:28.23 | plutonas | is that good? |
| 14:29.17 | xingu | plutonas: should be; and the device? |
| 14:29.24 | jetscreamer | !fstab |
| 14:29.25 | dpkg | somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 14:29.42 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: it won't show it |
| 14:29.54 | plutonas | xingu: /dev/psaux |
| 14:30.37 | jetscreamer | edit fstab |
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| 14:31.04 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: yes I know I added the fstab entry, but kde won't show the mounted partition on desktop |
| 14:31.15 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 14:31.30 | xingu | plutonas: if your kernel is 2.6.18 or so, use /dev/input/mouseX where X corresponds to whichever device maps to your touchpad. |
| 14:31.46 | jetscreamer | there's a checkbox in some kde setting.. maybe konq settings... browse the control panel |
| 14:31.46 | plutonas | xingu: yes it is 2.6.18 |
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| 14:31.53 | plutonas | let me try |
| 14:32.20 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: how can I make it user-mountable? |
| 14:32.35 | xingu | plutonas: you may also need to bump the psmouse module's maxproto arg; check and see what /sys/class/input/mouse0/device/protocol reports |
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| 14:33.46 | plutonas | xingu: i have mouse0, 1 and 2 |
| 14:33.56 | plutonas | but noone seems to have to do with the touchpad |
| 14:33.56 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: i use umount/fmask/dmask for that, and also chown the mount points and fs... but this is for a single user system |
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| 14:34.16 | xingu | plutonas: just use cat /dev/input/mouseX, then touch the touchpad |
| 14:34.18 | jetscreamer | more the chowning i think, not sure |
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| 14:34.34 | xingu | plutonas: only one should dump output when you do this - that's the device you need. |
| 14:34.50 | plutonas | xingu: that is what i did |
| 14:35.03 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: may I chmod the mount point? |
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| 14:35.05 | plutonas | nothing happens... |
| 14:35.20 | plutonas | neither with 0, nor with 1 or 2 |
| 14:35.24 | plutonas | :P |
| 14:35.25 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: i do |
| 14:35.30 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 14:35.36 | xingu | plutonas: you might need to either switch to a text console or exit X11 entirely. |
| 14:35.39 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: chown, not chmod.. but you can chmod if youwant |
| 14:35.46 | Mazingaro | that's ok, but no icon on the desktop |
| 14:35.54 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: I chown-ed it |
| 14:36.12 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: there's some setting in kde prefs about showing mounted fs's on the desktop |
| 14:36.15 | plutonas | xingu: i see, ok |
| 14:36.31 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: I checked but nothing happens |
| 14:37.04 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: then it must be that the kde automounter thing must do it for that to take effect... i have no idea how to get that to do it's thing |
| 14:37.40 | Mazingaro | ok thanks |
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| 14:38.32 | xingu | plutonas: any luck so far? |
| 14:39.17 | trim | Hi. I'm new to debian and just installed etch. My Intel prowireless 2200 card does not show in desktop/admin./networking. does this mean it is not installed? |
| 14:39.28 | xingu | !ipw2200 |
| 14:39.28 | dpkg | from memory, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 14:40.37 | plutonas | xingu: yes |
| 14:40.43 | plutonas | it is /dev/input/mouse1 |
| 14:40.44 | plutonas | i set it |
| 14:40.48 | plutonas | and restarted X |
| 14:41.06 | plutonas | now i think i have to configure it somehow, right? |
| 14:41.08 | xingu | plutonas: great; last thing, check /sys/class/input/mouse1/device/protocol |
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| 14:41.31 | xingu | plutonas: just cat that file and let me know what protocol has been sensed? |
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| 14:43.35 | plutonas | AlpsPS/2 |
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| 14:44.34 | dazjorz | woot. :) dazjorz.com, house404.co.uk and paulvanbeek.com are now Ready for IPv6! :) |
| 14:44.52 | plutonas | xingu: is alps correct? |
| 14:45.03 | plutonas | i clicked that, because else i had a border problem |
| 14:45.13 | plutonas | i disabled it now, and the problem comes again |
| 14:45.14 | xingu | plutonas: I'd be pretty surprised if not; the protocol sensing is ~fairly robust |
| 14:46.16 | xingu | plutonas: so the last part of this is see what tpconfig thinks now that you're using evdev |
| 14:46.16 | plutonas | aha, well it handles "acceptable" now, but i would prefer it a bit faster |
| 14:46.17 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.20 | plutonas | it now takes 8 times to go from the one side to the other |
| 14:46.25 | plutonas | xingu: what does that mean? |
| 14:46.25 | xingu | plutonas: just adjust the resolution and acceleration |
| 14:46.31 | plutonas | where? |
| 14:46.39 | plutonas | i can't find a place to set that |
| 14:46.48 | xingu | plutonas: run tpconfig and see what's configurable there; for me, I have a synaptics touchpad |
| 14:47.00 | yang | How is this solved, If I run aptitude upgrade simoultaneously on 2 machines on the same network, one source times out, shile the other works at the full speed downloading new packages? |
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| 14:48.26 | plutonas | xingu: tpconfig tells me it can't open ps/2 or something like that |
| 14:48.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | a good IDE fo r c/c++ ? |
| 14:48.37 | plutonas | i also tried tpconfig -d /dev/input/mouse1 |
| 14:48.42 | plutonas | but got the same |
| 14:48.48 | xingu | plutonas: ok 2s. |
| 14:48.52 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_laptop: Unix is a good IDE for C |
| 14:49.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | \amethyst, :p |
| 14:49.03 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_laptop: what features are you looking for? |
| 14:49.24 | plutonas | xingu: oh, if i rut it as root, i get 2 lines of output and no error |
| 14:49.38 | plutonas | the first line is: found synaptics touchpad |
| 14:49.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | \amethyst, I'm using just vi, but I want some IDE with the debug tool |
| 14:49.46 | plutonas | and the second some firmware version |
| 14:49.54 | plutonas | but i can't set anything there |
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| 14:50.57 | xingu | plutonas: have a look at usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.alps |
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| 14:51.15 | bzed | !tell plutonas about synaptics |
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| 14:51.24 | xingu | plutonas: and monkey see monkey do those sections into your xorg.conf dev/input/mouse1 section |
| 14:51.26 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_laptop: emacs has an interface for gdb, as do eclipse-cdt, anjuta, ... |
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| 14:52.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | \amethyst, also I've tried anjuta and kdevelop but I find them not easy usable |
| 14:52.10 | xingu | bzed: it's working, just the X11 resolution/scalin is bung |
| 14:52.22 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_laptop: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=168 Don't know if it's any good |
| 14:52.25 | plutonas | bzed: i did modprobe psmouse as the bot told |
| 14:52.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | \amethyst, I'm just trying eclipse-cdt |
| 14:52.28 | xingu | bzed: also the last little gotcha is that it's ALPS not synaptics proto |
| 14:52.32 | plutonas | and it works really fast now |
| 14:52.41 | farkie | Hello all, I'd like to know about how long it might take to gutmann a full partition, one that's been used for about a year at home |
| 14:52.47 | plutonas | hohw can i make that permenent? /etc/modules? |
| 14:53.00 | farkie | I've not done it before, it'd be interesting to have a go though |
| 14:53.06 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_laptop: google site:vim.org +gdb turns up a few vim scripts |
| 14:53.11 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_laptop: if you like the editor |
| 14:53.18 | gonzaloaf_laptop | \amethyst, sounds good |
| 14:53.51 | yang | Is popcon message sent over mail (25) port to the popcon server? |
| 14:54.06 | torrrr | ok got it from non-free |
| 14:54.29 | plutonas | xingu: i will put the settings now in the xorg.conf file, because it is a bit to fast now |
| 14:54.30 | plutonas | :D |
| 14:55.00 | plutonas | nope, now alps works |
| 14:55.07 | plutonas | sorry without alps it works |
| 14:55.09 | bzed | plutonas: yeah, /etc/modules |
| 14:55.14 | \amethyst | yang: If USEHTTP is not set in /etc/popularity-contest.conf it does |
| 14:55.50 | xingu | plutonas: in theory you shouldn't need to mess with modprobe/rmmod; I'm not sure how that hint wound up in dpkg's database |
| 14:56.26 | xingu | plutonas: it's quite likely that using the psaux driver created a fault which cleared when you rmmod/modprobe'd |
| 14:56.27 | plutonas | i see, anyway the good thing is it works |
| 14:56.29 | plutonas | thanks |
| 14:56.38 | torrrr | anyone know how to install firefox extensions to epiphany? |
| 14:56.53 | plutonas | ah i see, perhaps i restart and then add the psmouse if needed |
| 14:56.57 | xingu | plutonas: reboot and find out is probably the best suggestion now; you should be using this setup, dev/input/foo and synaptics driver |
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| 14:57.45 | xingu | plutonas: nb the resolution in that sample config may not be for a 16:9 aspect touchpad, I dunno what yours is... |
| 14:57.59 | plutonas | neither do i... |
| 14:58.04 | xingu | plutonas: gsynaptics should help you work out some magic values that work for you. |
| 14:58.10 | plutonas | ok |
| 14:58.20 | xingu | as well as turn on/ off scrolling regions etc. |
| 14:58.27 | plutonas | xingu: it is slow again |
| 14:58.35 | plutonas | i'll put psmouse in etc/modules |
| 14:58.47 | \amethyst | What made it slow again? |
| 14:58.59 | plutonas | reboot |
| 14:59.06 | xingu | evidently psmouse isn't modprobing at boot |
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| 14:59.54 | plutonas | xingu: that is strange |
| 15:00.07 | plutonas | i did modprobe psmouse and it remains slow |
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| 15:00.59 | bzed | plutonas: have you tried the synaptics dmoule for xorg? |
| 15:01.21 | bzed | plutonas: I have a touchpad which supports alps and synaptics and it works well with it |
| 15:01.21 | plutonas | bzed: what's that |
| 15:01.22 | plutonas | ? |
| 15:01.32 | bzed | !tell plutonas about synaptics |
| 15:01.39 | xingu | what does the sys/class/input/mouse0/device/protocol say now? |
| 15:01.53 | bzed | plutonas: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 15:02.11 | plutonas | bzed: i have that |
| 15:02.14 | plutonas | i found out |
| 15:02.18 | bzed | ok |
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| 15:02.22 | Guza | hi |
| 15:02.23 | plutonas | i have to do modprobe -r synaptics |
| 15:02.31 | plutonas | sorry |
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| 15:02.36 | plutonas | modprobe -r psmouse |
| 15:02.37 | Guza | how can i add root privilages to user |
| 15:02.38 | Guza | ? |
| 15:02.43 | plutonas | and then modprobe psmouse |
| 15:02.44 | Fullmetal-Mavez | what's the latest stable debian release? |
| 15:02.47 | bzed | Guza: you don;t |
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| 15:02.53 | Fullmetal-Mavez | sarge? |
| 15:02.54 | \amethyst | Guza: man sudo |
| 15:02.56 | plutonas | how could i make that permenent now???? |
| 15:03.01 | Guza | oki |
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| 15:03.13 | ronni | is there a way to check the current upload/download rates? |
| 15:03.29 | xingu | plutonas: once you have done that - what does the ... protocol file say? |
| 15:03.49 | \amethyst | Guza: you don't give them root privileges directly, but rather give them a way to become root for particular commands |
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| 15:04.10 | plutonas | xingu: AlpsPS/2 |
| 15:04.11 | plutonas | again |
| 15:04.20 | plutonas | though now i have alps disabled... |
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| 15:04.29 | xingu | disabled... where? |
| 15:04.38 | plutonas | in the kcontrol |
| 15:04.39 | Guza | can u write me command to give access to all command? |
| 15:04.43 | plutonas | touchpad menu |
| 15:04.58 | plutonas | if i enable it it works but to fast |
| 15:05.02 | \amethyst | Guza: su, then type the root password |
| 15:05.09 | plutonas | if i have it disabled (like now) it works great |
| 15:05.09 | farkie | Anyone here know much about data recovery? |
| 15:05.14 | farkie | I'll just ask my question actually |
| 15:05.17 | plutonas | i didn't have to do any other settings |
| 15:05.18 | Guza | i must have allprivilages on my user |
| 15:05.21 | \amethyst | Guza: why? |
| 15:05.31 | farkie | Hello all, I'd like to know about how long it might take to gutmann a full partition? |
| 15:05.40 | farkie | I'm interested in forensics stuff |
| 15:05.45 | farkie | And would like to experiment/learn |
| 15:05.45 | Guza | hehe |
| 15:05.58 | Guza | i want to know |
| 15:06.02 | Guza | blah |
| 15:06.35 | \amethyst | Guza: You can't. Only root is root. In many cases you can give a user privileges to do a particular thing |
| 15:06.42 | \amethyst | Guza: but not everything, all at once |
| 15:06.49 | xingu | plutonas: there's no reason known to mankind why removing and readding the psmouse module would produce this result - that falls under the general category of voodoo. |
| 15:06.51 | torrrr | I see epiphany can't use mozilla extensions, I am thinking maybe I shouldn't use epiphany then... |
| 15:07.02 | \amethyst | torrrr: Depends on what extensions you need |
| 15:07.06 | \amethyst | torrrr: some have been ported |
| 15:07.14 | plutonas | xingu: haha |
| 15:07.31 | plutonas | well what matters is that it works... Just answer me this |
| 15:07.45 | Guza | it's must be a way to give access to all commands |
| 15:07.50 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.54 | \amethyst | Guza: yes, set up sudo |
| 15:08.00 | plutonas | what do i have to do in order that i don't have to run modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse as root every time |
| 15:08.01 | \amethyst | Guza: then you can just type sudo command |
| 15:08.03 | Guza | i don't know |
| 15:08.03 | Guza | :S |
| 15:08.14 | xingu | plutonas: straight after boot, without modprobe -r / modprobe, what does /proc/bus/input/devices say? |
| 15:08.23 | \amethyst | Guza: you can set it up so that you don't even need the password |
| 15:08.32 | plutonas | xingu: just a minute to reboot |
| 15:08.34 | xingu | plutonas: you don't, you fix the cause of the problem, not bandaid over it |
| 15:08.54 | \amethyst | Guza: UI have this line in my sudoers: neil dirac=(root) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 15:09.13 | Guza | w8 |
| 15:09.18 | \amethyst | Guza: meaning that, on dirac (my computer), user neil can use sudo to become root for any command without a password |
| 15:09.35 | \amethyst | Guza: so I can do sudo rm -rf / if I wanted to fuck myself |
| 15:09.36 | plutonas | xingu: i quit to kdm to restart now, and it was even there slow |
| 15:09.53 | Guza | w8 |
| 15:09.54 | plutonas | (before rebooting) |
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| 15:10.32 | Guza | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:10.37 | Guza | what is meen this |
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| 15:10.42 | \amethyst | Guza: that says that root can sudo to anybody |
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| 15:11.12 | Guza | and what heppend when i add guza ALL=(ALL) All |
| 15:11.13 | Guza | ? |
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| 15:11.21 | jetscreamer | it does not say anybody can use sudo though |
| 15:11.39 | jetscreamer | if you just copy/paste it, and change root to (you) it will let you use sudo |
| 15:11.52 | \amethyst | Guza: you can use sudo command and give your (guza's, not root's) password |
| 15:11.52 | jetscreamer | adduser user sudo |
| 15:11.54 | Guza | than can guza use sudo as root |
| 15:11.56 | plutonas | xingu: it says several things |
| 15:12.09 | xingu | plutonas: can you paste (ask dpkg) it? |
| 15:12.18 | plutonas | hm, i will upload it |
| 15:12.24 | jetscreamer | actually, i never need to enter a pw when i have my sudoers set like that |
| 15:12.26 | plutonas | because it's on the other computer |
| 15:12.28 | \amethyst | Guza: however, be careful about capitalization |
| 15:12.36 | jetscreamer | maybe the first time, i forget |
| 15:12.39 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: You should have to the first time |
| 15:12.44 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 15:12.46 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: then it will remember until it times out |
| 15:13.03 | Guza | is my local computes i just learn |
| 15:13.04 | Guza | :D |
| 15:13.07 | xingu | ta, I want to look at why a simple reinit of that device is resetting the protocol or scaling. |
| 15:13.50 | Guza | ok i just need to copy this in sudoers: neil dirac=(root) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 15:13.52 | xingu | I'm *almost* wondering kde is doing something silly to it |
| 15:13.55 | \amethyst | Guza: Only use root when you have to. Part of the reason there have been so many viruses/trojans for Windows is that until recently everyone ran as root all the time |
| 15:14.27 | plutonas | xingu: recursively.org/test.txt |
| 15:14.32 | \amethyst | Guza: well, you probably want "guza" instead of "neil", and "ALL" or your hostname instead of "dirac" |
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| 15:14.59 | Guza | aham |
| 15:15.22 | Guza | guza dirac=(root) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 15:15.27 | Guza | is this right |
| 15:15.30 | jetscreamer | Guza: i just copy the line for root that is already in sudoers, paste it, and change root to jetscreamer |
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| 15:15.32 | \amethyst | Guza: ALL=(root) |
| 15:15.38 | \amethyst | Guza: dirac is the name of my computer |
| 15:15.42 | jetscreamer | but it's configurable |
| 15:15.48 | ma3x | hey guys, you've seen that Google TiSP (BETA) ? |
| 15:15.48 | xingu | plutonas: hmm, that looks pucker; does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have ... LoadModule: "synaptics" ? |
| 15:15.51 | Guza | w8 |
| 15:16.06 | Guza | guza all=(root) NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 15:16.06 | jetscreamer | looks pucker? |
| 15:16.09 | Guza | this? |
| 15:16.39 | \amethyst | Guza: ALL=(root) (all caps), then it should work |
| 15:16.47 | xingu | jetscreamer: whoops, homophone - pukka. |
| 15:16.50 | jetscreamer | guza ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:16.55 | \amethyst | or that |
| 15:17.11 | Guza | guza ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:17.16 | Guza | this will work |
| 15:17.18 | Guza | ? |
| 15:17.19 | jetscreamer | xingu: zomg another english language! |
| 15:17.23 | jetscreamer | yes it will work |
| 15:17.27 | Guza | tnx a lot |
| 15:17.29 | Guza | :) |
| 15:17.29 | jetscreamer | or you can tweak it to your liking |
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| 15:17.36 | \amethyst | Guza: yes. It will ask you for your password the first time you sudo, but will remember it for 15 minutes |
| 15:17.48 | Guza | and do I need to restart computer or some deamon |
| 15:17.49 | jetscreamer | adduser guza sudo |
| 15:17.58 | jetscreamer | log out log back in for group changes |
| 15:17.58 | xingu | it'll remember that you supplied it, it won't remember the password |
| 15:18.08 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 15:18.23 | Guza | tnx |
| 15:18.34 | plutonas | xingu: yes |
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| 15:18.34 | plutonas | and Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so |
| 15:18.35 | plutonas | and Module synaptics: vendor="The XFree86 Project" |
| 15:18.35 | plutonas | these are the 3 lines that contain the word synaptics |
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| 15:19.12 | jetscreamer | plutonas now you know why we say !paste |
| 15:19.19 | plutonas | why was i kicked? |
| 15:19.39 | plutonas | jetscreamer: i didn't paste anything |
| 15:19.40 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 15:19.40 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 15:19.40 | plutonas | ... |
| 15:19.40 | \amethyst | plutonas: four lines of text in a short time |
| 15:19.40 | plutonas | well i wrote them by hand |
| 15:19.40 | jetscreamer | 4 lines x seconds |
| 15:19.40 | plutonas | all four of them |
| 15:19.43 | \amethyst | plutonas: bot doesn't know that :) |
| 15:19.45 | plutonas | :-( |
| 15:19.56 | farkie | Does anyone know of any channels which may be relevant to computer forensics? |
| 15:20.04 | plutonas | perhaps i should stop writting dvorak |
| 15:20.09 | xingu | plutonas: how odd; that's just fine; my guess is that kde is getting a little too clever as you log in and setting your mouse speed/ resolution in a way that is absolutely munging the touchpad's state. |
| 15:20.26 | plutonas | hm, that is possible |
| 15:20.40 | jetscreamer | kde does have some mouse speeed setting thing that does it's thing when you log on if that helps |
| 15:20.57 | plutonas | jetscreamer: yes it has, and a touchpad setting |
| 15:21.02 | plutonas | but i can't set the speed there |
| 15:21.06 | Guza | cool |
| 15:21.09 | Guza | tnx a lot |
| 15:21.12 | xingu | plutonas: because the settings you now have are correct; it might be interesting to configure kde for "leave it the hell alone" and see what happens. |
| 15:21.21 | plutonas | only strange stuff like disabling the touchpad when typing and things like that |
| 15:21.35 | xingu | plutonas: is there a more generic /mouse/ control panel? |
| 15:21.37 | plutonas | xingu: how could i configure kde that way? |
| 15:21.45 | plutonas | yes about mouse |
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| 15:22.12 | xingu | plutonas: at that level (pointer acceleration) all mouse inputs are equivalent |
| 15:22.13 | plutonas | but that works when i plug a mouse in... it doesnt affect the touchpad (i tried setting speed there to 10x) |
| 15:22.19 | plutonas | touchpad was still slow |
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| 15:22.31 | plutonas | and the mouse i plugged in was too fast |
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| 15:23.38 | lehel | hello |
| 15:23.48 | plutonas | xingu: also i don't know how to disable kde's mouse settings |
| 15:24.07 | plutonas | it sucks... i really hate kde and i hate mice, not to speak about touchpads |
| 15:24.22 | plutonas | bit it's my sisters laptop... :-( |
| 15:24.28 | xingu | plutonas: install and run ksynaptics? |
| 15:24.48 | plutonas | i installed ksynaptics, but can't run it, it doesnt seem to be a command |
| 15:24.52 | xingu | plutonas: see if that can give you some sensible settings to throw into the inputdevice xorg.conf section |
| 15:25.03 | xingu | plutonas: dpkg -L ksynaptics ? |
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| 15:27.43 | xingu | plutonas: it should have added a dock as well as a menu entry |
| 15:27.52 | plutonas | just a frontend to qsynaptics i think |
| 15:27.53 | plutonas | hm, yeah |
| 15:27.53 | plutonas | ksynaptics is in kcontrol !!! |
| 15:27.53 | yang | plutonas: try running /usr/sbin/ksynaptics |
| 15:27.53 | plutonas | yang: nope |
| 15:27.53 | yang | plutonas: dpkg -L ksynaptics | grep bin |
| 15:28.38 | xingu | plutonas: ok, so fire it up and play about. |
| 15:28.39 | dazjorz | Hmm |
| 15:28.42 | dimsuz | hi, guys! I have a DVD with sarge-3.1. I want too try to install it to play with Debian. The question is: how hard will it be to upgrade it to etch-testing? |
| 15:28.47 | dazjorz | How do I modify the keyboard settings to set it to English instead of Dutch? |
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| 15:29.08 | dazjorz | At the moment, when I press shift+' and e, I get "e instead of the e with " on top of it |
| 15:29.22 | dazjorz | When my keyboard is configured to English, I get the "e I want |
| 15:29.33 | xand | dimsuz: not hard at al |
| 15:29.36 | xand | l |
| 15:30.10 | dimsuz | xand: ...but much traffic? :) |
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| 15:30.34 | lehel | no extern connection, |
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| 15:33.14 | uwe | hello, um, im trying to make a debian mirror, but i dont get what /pool/main is for since there is /dists/sarge|etch|.../main (for example) |
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| 15:33.28 | haiger | when i connect to a vncserver it ask me if i want to allow the connection or deny it? how can i stop this and have it connect without asking me this question |
| 15:33.29 | xingu | bloomin heck |
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| 15:33.33 | uwe | uh ! what the ... |
| 15:33.33 | dazjorz | netsplit. :) |
| 15:33.34 | farkie | lol, rly. |
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| 15:33.34 | dimsuz | xand: *sigh* that's what I wanted to do - save some traffic... i'm on dialup and downloading several hundreds of MB is a pita :) |
| 15:33.35 | lehel | anyone could help me out with this pppoe thing? |
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| 15:33.35 | plutonas | http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/trouble-shooting.txt |
| 15:33.35 | plutonas | it sais something about parameters to the kernel |
| 15:33.35 | plutonas | which i do not understand |
| 15:33.36 | plutonas | xingu: i got tired, isn't there a way that modprobe -r /modprobe is automatically run on kde startup or something? |
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| 15:33.37 | coold22 | bye thanks a lot |
| 15:33.40 | uwe | plutonas, why would you want modprobe run on kde startup ?? |
| 15:33.44 | xingu | plutonas: it's not the right answer; if you want to do this, go ahead. |
| 15:33.48 | chris|alt | hi! I've got some real problem: I installed debian first and then windows xp. Now, Windows has overwritten my grub bootloader - what can I do to regain it? |
| 15:34.13 | xingu | plutonas: I'm not totally interested in helping cook something like that up - it's intrinsically the wrong thing to do. |
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| 15:34.28 | xingu | plutonas: is the ksynaptics control panel working as expected? |
| 15:34.29 | dazjorz | chris|alt: try booting a live cd and running grub-install |
| 15:34.44 | terr_ | can someone give me some pointers on sshd configs or suggest where I can ask? |
| 15:34.50 | dazjorz | chris|alt: if you're lucky, it'll find both windows and debian and put them both in menu.lst, otherwise you may need to add them yourself |
| 15:34.57 | dazjorz | it's /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:34.59 | xingu | (nb, from the earlier paste of proc/bus/input/... there's no issues with the kernel side of things) |
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| 15:35.42 | \amethyst | terr_: man sshd_config ? |
| 15:35.47 | \amethyst | terr_: what are you looking for? |
| 15:35.52 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: boot the install cd, hit c when you see the 'boot' and then use grubshell to boot your debian, then run grub-install hd0 |
| 15:35.59 | uwe | chris|alt, boot debian, mount the installation do grub-install with the menu.1st you have in /boot/grub to /dev/xda , wher x is probably h or s, youll lose your windows loader, then figure out how to add windows boot to grub (chainloader) |
| 15:36.04 | terr_ | \amethyst: couldn't find anything about what I'm looking for. |
| 15:36.13 | chris|alt | jetscreamer: okay, thanks. |
| 15:36.17 | \amethyst | terr_: which is? |
| 15:36.27 | jetscreamer | there is an example how to boot windows in the menu.lst |
| 15:36.27 | terr_ | \amethyst: I'd like to limit the number of log in attempts a specific host (IP address) can attempt |
| 15:36.31 | chris|alt | is this process very difficult or just the thing you told? |
| 15:36.44 | chris|alt | yes I know.. I just want to get linux booted again |
| 15:36.45 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: after you hit c it's not extremely self-explanatory |
| 15:36.58 | \amethyst | terr_: You might want to look at the fail2ban package |
| 15:37.19 | jetscreamer | but basically you want to use the root command, and the configfile command |
| 15:37.23 | chris|alt | okay |
| 15:37.39 | jetscreamer | (and if configfile doesn't work you get to do it manually) |
| 15:38.05 | jetscreamer | you would want root (hd1,0) or so, depending where your debian is |
| 15:39.39 | terr_ | \amethyst: I'm checking it now. |
| 15:39.39 | jetscreamer | then configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:39.56 | uwe | chris|alt, if you have another machine that would be online to google, it would be useful ... |
| 15:39.56 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: tab works for autocomplete, and typing help helps too |
| 15:39.57 | lehel | or just print the info |
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| 15:42.42 | Fullmetal-Mavez | amphi!! |
| 15:42.59 | terr_ | \amethyst: fail2ban looks good. But I want it to run on OpenBSD also... I'ms till checking. |
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| 15:44.19 | Reiser_x | terr_ |
| 15:44.23 | Reiser_x | can you help me? |
| 15:44.41 | terr_ | Reiser_x: are you still in jail? |
| 15:44.59 | Reiser_x | jejejej |
| 15:45.14 | Buddha| | Which release would have Xfce 4.4? |
| 15:45.19 | Reiser_x | terr_: i installed linux debian and later freebds |
| 15:45.30 | Reiser_x | terr_: but i can boot linux |
| 15:45.31 | \amethyst | terr_: what is the openbsd equivalent of iptables? |
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| 15:46.08 | Reiser_x | terr_: i have 2 options F1: Linux and F2: FreeBSd, F2 is ok |
| 15:46.17 | Reiser_x | terr_: but F1: no work |
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| 15:46.42 | terr_ | \amethyst: pf |
| 15:47.24 | uwe | um, does anyone know the diffrence between /pool/main and /dist/sarge/main ? |
| 15:47.25 | terr_ | Reiser_x: read the mini-howto on dual booting. Yu've overwritten the boot records. |
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| 15:47.48 | Reiser_x | where is that moni-howto |
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| 15:48.35 | \amethyst | terr_: http://wiki.wonko.com/software/denyssh |
| 15:48.42 | Cheef-Daniel | is it somehow possible to exclude one day of a daily cron-job? |
| 15:48.53 | haiger | can someone help me with vncserver please |
| 15:49.11 | \amethyst | terr_: It supports BSD but not Linux :) |
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| 15:49.25 | xand | haiger: ask a specific question |
| 15:49.27 | haiger | i want to stop vncserver from asking me if i want to allow the connection or no |
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| 15:50.40 | haiger | xand: ^^ |
| 15:50.53 | xand | haiger: umm look in the config file? |
| 15:51.06 | haiger | locate where |
| 15:51.17 | Cheef-Daniel | I want to exclude the last day of month from a daily cronjob, how can I do this? |
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| 15:53.16 | \amethyst | Cheef-Daniel: I don't know that cron will let you say that easily, but you can check in the command or script |
| 15:53.44 | \amethyst | Cheef-Daniel: [ `date +"%m" -d tomorrow` == `date +"%m"` ] && command |
| 15:54.01 | \amethyst | Cheef-Daniel: that runs command if and only if tomorrow has a different month than today |
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| 15:54.11 | \amethyst | s/than/from/ |
| 15:54.41 | Cheef-Daniel | \amethyst: thanks that should do the job |
| 15:54.58 | \amethyst | err |
| 15:55.10 | \amethyst | that runs command iff tomorrow has the *same* month |
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| 15:55.23 | \amethyst | use || if you want it to run only on the last day |
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| 15:56.42 | Cheef-Daniel | ok |
| 15:56.43 | Guza | lol |
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| 15:56.51 | chris|alt | hi, I've been here just some minutes ago and here's my problem: I had installed debian on my first harddisk (got 2 built-in) and later windows xp. Now, the grub bootloader has been overwritten by the windows bootloader. How can I boot my old linux again and install grub again? |
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| 15:57.10 | chris|alt | I have been told to boot grubshell and do some things there but how-to boot this grubshell? |
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| 15:57.37 | chris|alt | From the debian cd, I just can boot a normal shell |
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| 15:58.44 | \amethyst | chris|alt: Is the filesystem mounted on target? |
| 15:58.46 | uwe | chris|alt, well, i suppose you will be using grub cli then ... try to get grub on a floppy, and boot the floppy, maybe this will help |
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| 15:59.17 | \amethyst | chris|alt: Once it's mounterd, you can cd /target; chroot /target ./bin/sh; grub |
| 15:59.18 | haiger | i couldn't find where to change the option for vncserver to stop it from asking me if i want to allow the connection or no |
| 15:59.20 | chris|alt | what's grub cli? |
| 15:59.28 | uwe | \amethyst, i dont think there is a "rescue" mode in debian , no ? |
| 15:59.54 | \amethyst | uwe: You can get a shell on the installer, and it should have at least mount and chroot |
| 16:00.05 | uwe | yes, thats for sure \amethyst |
| 16:00.08 | uwe | :) |
| 16:00.21 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: that 'hit c' thing i said |
| 16:00.23 | HowlingMad | oration 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller work with debian etch i just get no sound |
| 16:00.36 | jetscreamer | is grub cli |
| 16:00.38 | uwe | but i mean it wont mount it automatically i mean |
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| 16:00.57 | HowlingMad | should a intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller work with debian etch i just get no sound |
| 16:00.58 | \amethyst | true, not at that stage of the install |
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| 16:01.16 | militant | HowlingMad i dunno the specifics but make sure you're added to the audio group (adduser yourusername audio) and check mixer levels. if that fails, i'd look at kernel and modules |
| 16:01.29 | \amethyst | HowlingMad: do you get error messages when you try playing sounds? Have you checked your mixer? |
| 16:01.46 | HowlingMad | i have checked mixer |
| 16:01.56 | \amethyst | HowlingMad: both master and PCM? |
| 16:01.56 | HowlingMad | i just get no sound no errors |
| 16:02.32 | jetscreamer | i 'think' you need snd-hda-intel as well as snd-intel ... i think there should be some more letters in there though |
| 16:02.35 | frog | i have compiled kernel 2.4 and try to start uclinux in xcopilot. i have disabled near everrything. the rom file is 969K. but i cant run it, cause the emulator claims, that the file is too large |
| 16:02.46 | chris|alt | jetscreamer: Where should I hit "c" again? I did it when the debian cd waited for an action and also in the beginning of the install process |
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| 16:03.21 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: as soon as the cd boots you should see boot: at the bottom and it says hitF1 for help... hit c there |
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| 16:03.40 | jetscreamer | if it's graphical installer you may need to hit esc first |
| 16:03.47 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 16:04.12 | haiger | jetscreamer: can you help me with vncserver please |
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| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | haiger: never used it, sorry... been meaning to though, if you can wait a few months... |
| 16:04.35 | milosh_ | somebody can give me link to i downlaod xchat for debian ? |
| 16:04.35 | milosh_ | a |
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| 16:04.36 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 16:04.42 | Mazingaro | MoDaX: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/work type ext3 (rw) |
| 16:04.44 | jetscreamer | milosh_: apt-get install xchat |
| 16:04.47 | haiger | :P |
| 16:04.47 | jetscreamer | asroot |
| 16:04.52 | uwe | oh ... i never knew you can do 'ctrl c' on the debian cd boot prompt ! |
| 16:04.55 | militant | assroot! |
| 16:04.57 | chris|alt | jetscreamer: this I did, but he told me that "c" is not a valid kernel (for sure) |
| 16:05.05 | uwe | i mean 'c' |
| 16:05.07 | haiger | militant: use irssi |
| 16:05.15 | militant | lol |
| 16:05.28 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: sounds like it's the graphical type grub, try esc first.. not sure |
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| 16:05.50 | milosh_ | jetscreamer A LINK ! |
| 16:05.53 | milosh_ | E: Couldn't find package xchat |
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| 16:05.54 | jetscreamer | you should not have to hit enter |
| 16:05.56 | militant | hmmm actually i wish there was a way i could pick up an xchat session when i'm away from home |
| 16:05.58 | milosh_ | i dont have the package |
| 16:06.04 | jetscreamer | !info xchat |
| 16:06.09 | chris|alt | jetscreamer: okay. I'll try so again |
| 16:06.15 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 16:06.15 | jetscreamer | milosh_: sarge, etch, which |
| 16:06.22 | militant | milosh_ apt-cache search xchat - then apt-get install whatever_xchat_package |
| 16:06.34 | jetscreamer | !info xchat etch |
| 16:06.40 | milosh_ | OMFG ! |
| 16:06.43 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-0.3 (etch), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 16:06.45 | milosh_ | I DONT HAVE XCHAT IN MY PC ! |
| 16:06.48 | milosh_ | I WANNA LINK |
| 16:06.50 | milosh_ | pls someboduy give me ! |
| 16:07.07 | jetscreamer | milosh_: as root, type apt-get update && apt-get install xchat |
| 16:07.14 | jetscreamer | copy/paste |
| 16:07.14 | milosh_ | hmm |
| 16:07.14 | milosh_ | ok |
| 16:07.25 | xand | can I make a suggestion of something else to try as root? |
| 16:07.27 | xand | :D |
| 16:07.31 | Mazingaro | not now after killall |
| 16:07.35 | rahul | hey, guess what. it's sunday. |
| 16:07.44 | jetscreamer | rm -fR / not allowed |
| 16:07.47 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 16:07.52 | xand | bully |
| 16:07.54 | uwe | well, chris|alt, if you boot with your debian cd, just after it detects your hardware, press ctrl+alt+f2 i think, youll get a shell, press enter, youll be root , do sfdisk -l , or sfdisk -l /dev/xda (prbably hda or sda), find out which partion has your /boot, you can do that by mounting them on /mnt/bleh, or directly on /mnt, check if its what you want, if not do umount /mnt/bleh , when you find /boot, cd to it, and to grub, view menu.1st, this file is what |
| 16:07.54 | uwe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.16 | uwe | good luck! |
| 16:08.42 | jetscreamer | chris|alt: there are many different paths to arrive at your intended destination btw... what uwe should probably work (i didn't read that long assed thingy :) ) |
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| 16:08.58 | jetscreamer | s/uwe/uwe\ said/ |
| 16:09.15 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: \ ? |
| 16:09.15 | chris|alt | okay. Thanks guys - I'll try both. I guess at least Ill also try some livecd. |
| 16:09.33 | jetscreamer | does etch installer use lilo? |
| 16:09.39 | streuner | no |
| 16:09.40 | dazjorz | I certainly hope not |
| 16:09.43 | streuner | grub |
| 16:09.48 | jetscreamer | or not_grub? ah ok |
| 16:09.58 | streuner | dazjorz: What's wrong with 'lilo'? |
| 16:10.08 | jetscreamer | no idea why hitting c doesnt work for you chris|alt |
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| 16:10.28 | chris|alt | jetscreamer: I'll try it out..but have to go. thanks guys. |
| 16:10.29 | chris|alt | :) |
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| 16:11.21 | angel_ | MoDaX: no way |
| 16:11.25 | jetscreamer | way |
| 16:11.34 | dazjorz | streuner: I like grub more, and I heard lilo has its problems |
| 16:11.39 | HowlingMad | after all that i turned up my front that was not there and there be sound |
| 16:11.39 | HowlingMad | thanks, i thought id checked the sound volume ;) |
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| 16:11.51 | MoDaX | angel_: keep conversation in #debian-kde :) |
| 16:12.07 | jetscreamer | i was wondering what way |
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| 16:14.45 | ma3x | is TiSP google for real? or a fsckin sick joke? |
| 16:14.49 | dazjorz | lol |
| 16:14.53 | xand | vha |
| 16:14.54 | ma3x | ? |
| 16:14.54 | xand | -v |
| 16:14.55 | ronni | joke |
| 16:14.56 | dazjorz | ma3x: check the date |
| 16:14.59 | xand | ma3x: look at your calendar? |
| 16:15.05 | ma3x | I know |
| 16:15.08 | ma3x | that's why I thought |
| 16:15.12 | dazjorz | omg. -_- |
| 16:15.14 | ma3x | but how come they put a joke like that on google |
| 16:15.21 | dazjorz | i have been wondering wether Gmail Paper is a joke too |
| 16:15.23 | ronni | they do it every year |
| 16:15.24 | dazjorz | I guess so then |
| 16:15.24 | xand | cos it's april 1st? |
| 16:15.26 | ma3x | that's disaster |
| 16:15.31 | ronni | no it isn't |
| 16:15.33 | xand | disaster? |
| 16:15.38 | ronni | it makes the company seem 'human' |
| 16:15.40 | ma3x | they even offer you a signup with a credit card |
| 16:15.49 | dazjorz | lol |
| 16:15.53 | dazjorz | and you tried? |
| 16:16.00 | Razec | homo sapiens sapiens |
| 16:16.04 | ma3x | well I clicked to see what the signup looks like |
| 16:16.04 | Razec | =] |
| 16:16.08 | ma3x | of course I didn't sign up |
| 16:16.09 | dazjorz | =_= |
| 16:16.18 | ronni | they'll steal your credit card info |
| 16:16.19 | ronni | lol |
| 16:16.25 | dazjorz | odd that they want creditcard numbers when they say it's "free" |
| 16:16.28 | goeser | hi! what is the "right" place to look for apt sources for 2.6.20 debs? |
| 16:16.30 | dazjorz | ;)) |
| 16:16.44 | ma3x | it's pretty stupid the joke |
| 16:16.50 | ma3x | somehow it makes you wanna kill them!! |
| 16:16.56 | xand | no it doesn't |
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| 16:17.16 | ma3x | it does! you just start thinking oh what a cool service :P |
| 16:17.22 | ma3x | and then you get disappointed |
| 16:17.24 | xand | no |
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| 16:17.40 | xand | jeez, you must be really fun to be around :D |
| 16:18.12 | \amethyst | "24-hour, on-site technical support in the event of backup problems, brownouts and data wipes" |
| 16:18.13 | dazjorz | I thought "what a cool service" about Gmail Paper |
| 16:18.15 | \amethyst | heh |
| 16:18.16 | dazjorz | It would've been so very cool |
| 16:18.18 | dazjorz | but oh well |
| 16:18.23 | dazjorz | haha |
| 16:18.33 | Razec | I want help to develop debian.What necessary make? |
| 16:18.48 | xand | dazjorz: doesn't .nl have a postal service? |
| 16:18.52 | xand | Razec: what? |
| 16:19.02 | Razec | xand hi |
| 16:19.17 | Razec | xand I want help to develop packages debian. |
| 16:19.47 | ma3x | so they made the Gmail paper joke too? |
| 16:19.51 | Razec | What necessary make? understood |
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| 16:19.52 | Razec | ? |
| 16:20.05 | dazjorz | xand: Yeah, but not free and not for gmail afaik |
| 16:20.19 | dazjorz | I want it to use my IPv6 IP and not the IPv4 |
| 16:21.11 | rahul | you need to connect TO an ipv6 ip to use ipv6 |
| 16:21.14 | \amethyst | Razec: The policy manual would be a good start. Go to http://www.debian.org/devel/ and look at the links |
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| 16:22.00 | Razec | [\amethyst]: ok thankz |
| 16:22.06 | dazjorz | rahul: But it's a host which has both an IPv4 record (A) and an IPv6 one (AAAA) |
| 16:22.08 | \amethyst | Razec: in particular, New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual, and Developer's Reference |
| 16:22.14 | pyrohotdog | How can I get rar/unrar installed? |
| 16:22.42 | dazjorz | pyrohotdog: apt-get install rar unrar # as root |
| 16:23.24 | Razec | [\amethyst]: thankz, you develop to debian?> |
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| 16:23.38 | \amethyst | Razec: no, but I build local packages sometimes |
| 16:24.09 | rahul | dazjorz: hrm, I would think ipv6 would be preferred then |
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| 16:24.26 | rahul | dazjorz: does your version of lynx even support ipv6? |
| 16:24.42 | Razec | [\amethyst]: how is build local packages? |
| 16:25.00 | Razec | what packages? My english very bad, sorry |
| 16:25.15 | dazjorz | rahul: Yeah, I've been on ipv6 sites |
| 16:25.56 | \amethyst | Razec: Random things. I recently recompiled pwsafe with X support (since the latest version in unstable was lacking it) |
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| 16:27.10 | Cheef-Daniel | how can I pipe the output of two programms startet with this into the file? Programm1 && Programm2 &> backup.txt |
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| 16:27.46 | Cheef-Daniel | at the moment only this is working: Programm1 &> backup.txt |
| 16:27.50 | Razec | \amethyst:cool |
| 16:27.58 | nukeu666 | question: 3.1r1 is sarge or etch? |
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| 16:28.31 | ole | nukeu666, sarge |
| 16:28.32 | Razec | =] I want |
| 16:28.33 | Razec | I go to help in some development. |
| 16:28.38 | nukeu666 | thnx |
| 16:29.12 | nukeu666 | whats etch then? 3.2? |
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| 16:29.24 | pyrohotdog | dazjorz: tried it. |
| 16:29.36 | dazjorz | pyrohotdog: what do you get? |
| 16:29.45 | dazjorz | it works _fine_ here |
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| 16:30.45 | h3sp4wn | nukeu666: etch is 4.0 |
| 16:31.35 | bjk | anyone know how the Required-* init script headers are used? |
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| 16:31.55 | dazjorz | as stable |
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| 16:32.15 | uptownben | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.49 | MoDaX | dazjorz: a week away at most I think |
| 16:32.58 | dazjorz | uptownben: that's not a debian question |
| 16:32.58 | dazjorz | uptownben: #apache |
| 16:33.55 | uptownben | oh sh*t.. sorry wrong channel.. |
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| 16:35.05 | Reiser_x | hi |
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| 16:35.44 | Reiser_x | i need some ropositories to install Xorg in debian 3.1r4 |
| 16:35.50 | Reiser_x | back ports |
| 16:36.05 | h3sp4wn | !bpo |
| 16:36.05 | dpkg | from memory, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 16:39.01 | odla | !xorg sarge |
| 16:39.02 | dpkg | methinks xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/, or ask me about <bpo> |
| 16:39.39 | XaOS | I've got exciting news to announce: "Ballmer joins Linux Foundation board" ->read this: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10977/1090/ |
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| 16:45.05 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.06 | ma3x | what was google's joke last year? |
| 16:45.13 | ma3x | whats that |
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| 16:46.56 | HymnToLife | !netsplit |
| 16:46.56 | dpkg | i guess netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 16:48.02 | jelly-home | XaOS: offtopic april's fool jokes are not allowed. Now get on the floor and give us 20! |
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| 16:48.57 | jetscreamer | i found the cause of the latest netsplit!!! |
| 16:48.59 | jetscreamer | [11.47.05] <HymnToLife> !netsplit |
| 16:49.19 | HymnToLife | at your service :) |
| 16:49.39 | bintut | anyone here knows what pcmcia card that uses an intel chipset and using the ipw2200.o driver? |
| 16:50.23 | jelly-home | bintut: I thought that chip was part of the centrino platform? |
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| 16:51.09 | jelly-home | bintut: anyhow #ipw2100 might know more |
| 16:51.12 | bintut | jelly-home: most probably but i'm not familiar with it.. i'm looking for a pcmcia that perfectly works on linux |
| 16:51.17 | trentster | hey all, I am currently using fetchmail to pull mail from pop accounts and deliver to local users, is there a way for fetchmail to pull from pop accounts and then send to a specific external smtp server for delivery? |
| 16:51.24 | HymnToLife | same here, I don't think there are PCMCIA cards with Intel chips |
| 16:51.25 | mrBiB | Hello all, I just want to recompile modules ntfs to add write support for this |
| 16:51.37 | mrBiB | can somebody help me how to do it? |
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| 16:52.05 | jelly-home | mrBiB: you'll probably want ntfs-3g |
| 16:52.06 | HymnToLife | mrBiB, the least unsafe way to do that is ntfs-3g |
| 16:52.07 | wols_ | !ntfs-3g |
| 16:52.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
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| 16:52.30 | wols_ | mrBiB: just upgrade to etch |
| 16:52.39 | PaulLS_ | Greetings... I'm having trouble with ntp-server. When I start it using /etc/init.d/ntp-server start, it says it's starting, verified in /var/log/syslog, however if I try to query with ntpq -p I get connection refused. ps aux | grep ntp shows it's not actually running. |
| 16:52.42 | mrBiB | thx you |
| 16:52.46 | HymnToLife | bintut, IIRC, the !wiki has a list of supported hardware |
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| 16:53.15 | PaulLS_ | (this is debian sarge) -- I'd like to solve the problem myself, but I see nothing in the logs that indicate what's actually going on. Should I just remove ntp-server and reinstall? |
| 16:53.20 | dizi | quit |
| 16:53.25 | jelly-home | ntfs-3g in etch is rather old though |
| 16:53.51 | bintut | HymnToLife: what wiki? |
| 16:53.53 | jelly-home | there are ntfs-3g 1.0+ packages in experimental |
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| 16:55.07 | HymnToLife | !wiki |
| 16:55.27 | HymnToLife | bintut, http://wiki.debian.org |
| 16:55.40 | xtknight | how do i save the output of 'sudo lshw' to a text file? "sudo lshw > output" comes out as 'binary data' and i can't open it in gedit |
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| 16:56.48 | Gathond | xtknight: that works fine here |
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| 16:58.08 | bintut | HymnToLife: thanks for the link but it doesn't contain any useful information.. |
| 16:58.19 | Reiser_x | QUESTION: In windows when more apps are installed, the systme go slow |
| 16:58.32 | Reiser_x | is the same to Debian/GNU? |
| 16:58.49 | Gathond | Reiser_x: provided they are not running no |
| 16:59.21 | Gathond | Reiser_x: although I'm not sure whether the the windows thing is as much having them installed as it just deterotiating over time |
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| 16:59.31 | HymnToLife | Unpacking OO.o build tree - [ go make some tea ] ... <= lmao |
| 16:59.32 | xtknight | Gathond, hrmm. any idea how to get it to print as ASCII on mine? |
| 16:59.45 | xtknight | convert binary->ascii i mean. can be a really nasty hack i just want some text output |
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| 17:00.07 | Gathond | xtknight: no, the > should (provided you use bash or sh) just put whatever you output to the terminal into that file, be it binary or ASCII |
| 17:00.21 | xtknight | i can't open it in gedit, though |
| 17:00.24 | Reiser_x | another thing is, linux no fragment the disk |
| 17:00.40 | xtknight | i want the output to be ASCII so i can use the conventional grep and gedit with the output |
| 17:00.51 | Gathond | Reiser_x: it might so some extend |
| 17:01.02 | Gathond | xtknight: what happens if you run cat output ? |
| 17:01.03 | Reiser_x | ?? |
| 17:01.11 | Gathond | Reiser_x: the fragmentation issue |
| 17:01.20 | xtknight | Gathond, it prints fine, actually |
| 17:01.22 | Gathond | Reiser_x: most filesystems suffer from this to some degree |
| 17:01.36 | Gathond | xtknight: then its gedit that has a problem |
| 17:01.38 | xtknight | Gathond, " lshwOutput: data " vs.. "lshalOutput: ASCII English text" |
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| 17:02.20 | Reiser_x | but linux no? |
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| 17:02.39 | Gathond | Reiser_x: most filesystems, it has nothing to do with linux as such, but the filesystems being used |
| 17:02.46 | dimsuz | hi! is anyone aware about "debdelta"? does it work? |
| 17:03.02 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 17:03.28 | Gathond | I believe most unix filesystem resists fragmentation better than fat and NTFS, but it does happen to some extend |
| 17:03.28 | xtknight | i've had 10 gb VMs in 1000s of fragments |
| 17:03.29 | Reiser_x | i would like to read a book talking of low level OS, Linux |
| 17:03.34 | Reiser_x | any link? |
| 17:03.35 | xtknight | xfs seems to be better for ext3 for big files and stuff |
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| 17:05.33 | wols_ | Reiser_x: all filesystems have fragmentation if you push them |
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| 17:06.27 | wols_ | what kind of "talking of low level OS" do you mean? |
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| 17:14.31 | pipeline | Reiser_x: http://tinyurl.com/ysq8pc |
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| 17:15.42 | nukeu666 | im trying to install deb 3.1r1 and it says 'boot from cd/dvd fd 2.88mb system type-13'....what do i do? |
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| 17:16.51 | xand | install etch |
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| 17:17.17 | nukeu666 | uhh...sarge not going to work? |
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| 17:18.00 | wols_ | nukeu666: what machine is this? |
| 17:18.17 | nukeu666 | e6300, gigabyte ds3, latest firmware |
| 17:18.53 | xand | dunno if sarge'll work, but etch has better hardware support as the kernel is much newer |
| 17:19.13 | wols_ | sarge cannot work on this hardware |
| 17:19.51 | nukeu666 | damn! spent all week downloading the isos...oh well, thnx |
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| 17:20.12 | ma3x | is there google earth for linux? |
| 17:20.26 | rhalff | ma3x: jes |
| 17:20.27 | wols_ | ask google |
| 17:20.32 | wols_ | nukeu666: use a netinstall |
| 17:20.35 | concept10 | google google |
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| 17:20.51 | wols_ | nukeu666: and why did you download 3.1r1 when there is 3.1r5 anyways? |
| 17:21.34 | ma3x | with wine??? |
| 17:21.36 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.36 | nukeu666 | i asked a friend to download debian for me and he is a windows guy |
| 17:21.46 | nukeu666 | i dont have net at my place |
| 17:22.02 | ma3x | nukeu666: get free broadband access from google |
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| 17:22.35 | ronni | yeah nukeu666, go to google.com |
| 17:22.39 | xand | nukeu666: how are you on irc then?! |
| 17:22.43 | ronni | on the front page, there a link to free internet |
| 17:22.50 | ronni | supports most US states |
| 17:23.00 | rhalff | nukeu666: or order a totally free ubuntu dvd :) |
| 17:23.09 | xand | rhalff: wash your mouth out |
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| 17:23.29 | rhalff | ubuntu is not bad, not like it's redhat or something |
| 17:23.36 | xand | well I suppose. |
| 17:23.41 | jelly-home | what's bad about TH? |
| 17:23.44 | jelly-home | RH*? |
| 17:23.59 | krazykit | lots of good code from the guys at red hat |
| 17:24.04 | gravity | krazykit: Exactly |
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| 17:24.16 | ma3x | wols_: is therer google earth for debian or no? |
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| 17:25.03 | h3sp4wn | rhalff: Its worse - very little of use comes from ubuntu/canocial (compared to redhat anyway) |
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| 17:25.20 | wols_ | ma3x: for debian? of course not |
| 17:25.28 | gravity | That's true. Canonical is still significantly smaller though. Hopefully more will come. |
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| 17:26.04 | jelly-home | ma3x: why do you need it to be exactly for Debian |
| 17:26.04 | dazjorz | "It's FREE. No more paying hundreds of dollars a year for Internet service that doesn't even necessarily extend to your bathroom!" |
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| 17:26.43 | h3sp4wn | gravity: If you look at the expense canocial has (sending out cd's etc) it spends alot but not in a useful way for linux as a whole |
| 17:27.19 | gravity | h3sp4wn: Well, I'm inclined to agree with you, although they're geared more towards converting windows and mac users than on the code. |
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| 17:27.21 | ma3x | wols_: so I can't run google earth |
| 17:27.33 | gravity | h3sp4wn: I don't think it's the best way to do things either, but that's their choice I guess |
| 17:27.44 | rhalff | ma3x: http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html |
| 17:27.49 | dazjorz | http://www.google.com/tisp/notfound.html |
| 17:28.06 | ma3x | dazjorz: google sucks! |
| 17:28.13 | dazjorz | ma3x: ? |
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| 17:28.45 | xtknight | fixed it. "sudo lshw | strings > lshwOutput" will get the ASCII |
| 17:28.52 | jelly-home | ma3x: then don't use it |
| 17:29.36 | ma3x | jelly-home: I don't and I won't |
| 17:29.52 | jelly-home | ma3x: problem solved! :-) |
| 17:30.03 | Gathond | ma3x: I do believe googles binary is pretty distro agnostic |
| 17:30.50 | Gathond | although it seems to fail running in my 32 bit chroot on debian AMD64, but I'm willing to assume that is some 64 bit thing, or perhaps my chroot who misses some library |
| 17:31.04 | xand | dazjorz: stop breaking the internets. |
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| 17:31.28 | dazjorz | xand: oh, is this your cable? *snap* |
| 17:31.37 | xand | !!! |
| 17:31.37 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 17:31.44 | xand | :o |
| 17:32.03 | Gathond | jelly-home: to be fair mine works, it just has no textures and only white noise where text should be |
| 17:32.31 | ma3x | the font of google earth sucks |
| 17:32.40 | dazjorz | who the hell cares about the font?! |
| 17:32.41 | jelly-home | works just fine with me i386 etch install on an i915 card |
| 17:32.45 | Gathond | other than that it runs ... but lets face it, wire frame models of earth ain't exactly new, nor constructive to look at |
| 17:33.13 | jelly-home | Playing with globes is always nice :-) |
| 17:33.18 | ma3x | dazjorz: its not readable |
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| 17:33.45 | dazjorz | ma3x: if you have an extremely pretty girl lying naked in front of you, would you tell her her hair is just a centimeter too long?! |
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| 17:34.28 | ma3x | dazjorz: I would tell her her pussy is a centimeter too long |
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| 17:34.58 | dazjorz | ma3x: a font isn't really the best thing about google earth... |
| 17:35.21 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 17:35.23 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 17:35.23 | xtknight | haha |
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| 17:38.55 | gravity | Ok, kqemu is officially "totally fucking awesome" |
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| 17:52.24 | groogs[h] | i'm doing a find -type d | xargs rmdir to delete empty directories.. some dirs have spaces in their name though, how can I escape those, or put them in quotes before passing to rmdir? |
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| 17:52.54 | Gathond | groogs[h]: -print0 for find and -0 for xargs, iirc |
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| 17:55.46 | avar | My fs on /usr is broken so I can't remove /usr/bin/w3m even as root, and this is holding up package installs, how do I make apt ignore w3m which it hasn't removed yet stalling all other operations |
| 17:56.16 | avar | Removing w3m ... dpkg: error processing w3m (--remove): cannot remove `/usr/bin/w3m': Permission denied |
| 17:56.47 | Eulex | dude, if your /usr fs is broken, I wouldn't bet on that any other package would install correctly. |
| 17:57.11 | avar | Yeah, but so far that isn't a problem:) |
| 17:57.41 | jetscreamer | man dpkg --force-help |
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| 17:58.01 | jetscreamer | sounds ro though to me |
| 17:58.15 | dazjorz | Hmm |
| 17:58.31 | avar | /dev/md1 on /usr type reiserfs (rw) |
| 17:58.33 | dazjorz | Where can I find the unpacked deb files when apt-get installs them? |
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| 17:58.43 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:58.48 | dazjorz | thanks |
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| 17:59.09 | dazjorz | but that's not unpacked? |
| 17:59.10 | h3sp4wn | or / |
| 17:59.18 | h3sp4wn | they are unpacked to / |
| 17:59.22 | dazjorz | I need to check one of the scripts |
| 17:59.30 | dazjorz | since it gives an error here and I'd like to know what caused that |
| 17:59.32 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.37 | jetscreamer | unpack it |
| 17:59.54 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn: thanks! |
| 17:59.54 | h3sp4wn | (if its a pre post script) |
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| 18:00.23 | dazjorz | ah |
| 18:00.26 | dazjorz | that's why it fails :) |
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| 18:01.13 | dazjorz | libapache2-svn tries to a2enmod dav_svn, but that fails |
| 18:01.18 | dazjorz | "This module does not exist!" |
| 18:01.43 | dazjorz | but aptitude doesn't know a dav module for apache2? |
| 18:01.53 | dazjorz | only libapache-mod-dav |
| 18:01.56 | dazjorz | but that's for apache1 |
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| 18:07.08 | duri | debian vs ubuntu-server for a server install: what are the differences ? |
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| 18:07.28 | jetscreamer | oh go for ubuntu... you had to ask |
| 18:07.54 | Gryfelhase | Hi..... I've a question to this new widescreen-monitors with 16:9 format..... |
| 18:08.16 | dazjorz | duri: er... debian is better? |
| 18:08.18 | jetscreamer | !ak |
| 18:08.19 | xand | Gryfelhase: yes... |
| 18:08.20 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 18:08.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:08.39 | Gryfelhase | when I would buy such a monitor.... wikll tvtime strech the display in fullscreenmode to this format? |
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| 18:09.08 | duri | dazjorz: I am trying to understand the packagin policies of the two projects and in what they differ ... |
| 18:09.09 | dazjorz | Gryfelhase: I always thought these monitors stretch display themselves |
| 18:09.23 | dazjorz | duri: Debians' is safer for servers for sure |
| 18:09.32 | jetscreamer | Gryfelhase: i don't know, but making sure it's configured properly in xorg.conf might help/do it... but like i said, i don't know |
| 18:09.52 | Gryfelhase | dazorz: Yes, thats what i thought... but i want that tcvtime doesnt strechts it, but makes more borders left and right |
| 18:10.07 | duri | dazjorz: why ? keep in mind I am talking about ubuntu-server and not the desktop one |
| 18:10.12 | jetscreamer | duri: ubuntu takes debian packages and ubuntu-izes them... helpful? |
| 18:10.19 | dazjorz | duri: Oh, there's a difference? |
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| 18:10.52 | gravity | You'd probably have to ask the ubuntu folks. They're the ones doing the changes. |
| 18:11.13 | jetscreamer | what i do is compare #ubuntu vs #debian ... |
| 18:11.25 | jetscreamer | i figure the os support is about like that |
| 18:11.29 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 18:11.30 | dazjorz | #ubuntu is always full with hundreds of people talking about it |
| 18:11.32 | duri | jetscreamer: good point |
| 18:11.39 | dazjorz | while #debian has space for help |
| 18:11.43 | dazjorz | and the experts able to give it |
| 18:11.49 | jetscreamer | but what do they say in there eh |
| 18:11.57 | dazjorz | #ubuntu is just "could you help me with foo, i have a problem with bar,..." |
| 18:12.06 | dazjorz | :) |
| 18:12.27 | jetscreamer | no it's more like 'can eny1 help me fix my ubuntu?????????????' |
| 18:12.30 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:12.44 | dazjorz | yeah indeed hehe |
| 18:12.44 | jetscreamer | but i do try to help in #ubuntu sometimes |
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| 18:13.39 | zaphands | Hello, how do I display and enter UTF-8 characters in terminals (aterm, eterm etc...) |
| 18:14.00 | zaphands | especially Hebrew characters. |
| 18:14.01 | vorbote | zaphands: In general, using an UTF-8 locale |
| 18:14.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:16.14 | jetscreamer | a guy just went through getting hebrew to work, but i don't remember his nick |
| 18:16.14 | jetscreamer | just==a week ago or so |
| 18:16.15 | vorbote | zaphands: you also need a terminal emulator that can handle unicode. None of the ones you cited does, unfortunataly. |
| 18:16.15 | zaphands | Will adding a locale convert all my menus to that language? |
| 18:16.15 | duri | since I am talking about a server I am trying to understand how moving to apt-get is going to affect me (I am retiring an old RH9). my personal confort level is "more aggressive than the woody transition but definitely as gentoo" something reasonable along the way |
| 18:16.15 | zaphands | Which terminal does that? |
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| 18:16.15 | duri | not as gentoo |
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| 18:16.27 | xingu | that'll learn me. |
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| 18:16.43 | fasta | Is there any way I can tell a cheap Sweex router to prioritize traffic coming from one machine? |
| 18:16.44 | wols_ | duri: woody? oldstable? |
| 18:16.46 | vorbote | zaphands: no. You can run your system in, e.g., en_US.UTF-8 and read and write in any language your system can support (fonts, input methofs, locales) |
| 18:17.03 | wols_ | fasta: why are you asking #debian that? is it running debian? |
| 18:17.23 | zaphands | I seem to have already marked he_IL.UTF-8. |
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| 18:17.32 | duri | wols_: yes |
| 18:18.00 | fasta | wols_: Well, the machine I am experiencing problems with is running Debian, but running a router on this machine is not really practical. |
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| 18:18.18 | wols_ | fasta: don't ask us. ask whoever made that sweex thing |
| 18:18.42 | fasta | wols_: I can imagine that people here have "solved" such a problem before. |
| 18:18.54 | fasta | wols_: otherwise, I agree with you. |
| 18:18.56 | xingu | with a twelve bore |
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| 18:19.23 | wols_ | fasta: no they haven't. you cannot solve such a problem from the client end |
| 18:19.29 | wols_ | read the lartc.org howto |
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| 18:20.02 | wols_ | the onyl place that can solve it is your router. and that doesn't run debian as we agreed, right? |
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| 18:21.08 | fasta | wols_: ok, can I run Debian on that hardware then? IIRC, the router is running a Linux kernel now (but I have no idea what exactly). |
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| 18:22.08 | wols_ | fasta: no |
| 18:22.11 | h3sp4wn | fasta: debian doesn't support adm5120 afaik - openwrt kamikaze has some support for it |
| 18:22.14 | wols_ | not enoguh hardware there |
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| 18:23.08 | h3sp4wn | fasta: have you got usb on it ? |
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| 18:23.35 | fasta | h3sp4wn: no |
| 18:23.59 | coolzone | Hi all. I just installed Debian etch on a P4 box needed for work. I wanted to install nvidia drivers, but I can't seem to figure out how. I have googled, and found a lot of outdated stuff, would oneone mind giving me a pointer? |
| 18:24.25 | frankr | Is there a good tutorial somewhere for setting up a Debian software router? |
| 18:24.26 | coolzone | someone, not oneone :-) |
| 18:24.30 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:24.30 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
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| 18:25.11 | fasta | h3sp4wn: IIRC, the only way to install something else on it is to add a few components to it by soldering. |
| 18:25.48 | rhalff | perl doesn't have switch statement thingy ? |
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| 18:26.01 | jetscreamer | #perl |
| 18:26.05 | rhalff | oops |
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| 18:27.19 | jetscreamer | i think he meant this for you, rhalff [13.26.53] <integral> perldoc -q switch |
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| 18:27.39 | h3sp4wn | fasta: http://midge.vlad.org.ua/wiki/SupportedDevices |
| 18:27.46 | h3sp4wn | fasta: I thing you would need to get serial though |
| 18:28.07 | rhalff | thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:28.27 | Gryfelhase | I've one more querstion: Can I bet, that (3D-speedwise) a nividia-kernelmodule for xorg is faster then 3rd-part-(debian)nvidia-support? |
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| 18:29.00 | duri | is there a web page on the debian site where I can compare the current line-up of major components (i..e kernel et al) of etch vs stable ? |
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| 18:29.29 | coolzone | xingu, thanks, but what repos do I need to do that? I have no nvidia-kernel in my list |
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| 18:29.51 | h3sp4wn | duri: distrowatch maybe |
| 18:29.52 | mfrisch | contrib non-free |
| 18:30.05 | scruffy | what produces the white pointer and hand an hourglass with the shadow beneath it? On one machine I see them, and on another machine I see the old pointer style, and both are etch. |
| 18:30.28 | h3sp4wn | duri: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
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| 18:30.47 | xingu | scruffy: the nvidia driver has a knob for the drop shadow bit |
| 18:30.49 | mrBiB | is there a way to mount rw ntfs even if the Logfile is unclean? (using ntfs-3g) |
| 18:30.53 | duri | h3sp4wn: thankyousir |
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| 18:31.00 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:31.05 | jetscreamer | well maybe |
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| 18:31.48 | scruffy | xingu: okay, but what produces the actual cursor style? two machine, both etch, yet the pointers are different. Same window environment - fluxbox. |
| 18:31.49 | coolzone | thanks guys! |
| 18:32.17 | mfrisch | scruffy: there are different cursor debs for different styles. |
| 18:32.23 | HymnToLife | mrBiB, yes but you don't want to do that |
| 18:32.23 | scruffy | xingu: sorry, not cursor style, I mean pointer style |
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| 18:32.54 | scruffy | mfrisch: which is what I can't find :) do you happen to know the package names? |
| 18:32.55 | mrBiB | HymnTolife: no, I do want to do that, |
| 18:33.26 | HymnToLife | it is roughly equivalent to wiping the whole partition out |
| 18:33.35 | HymnToLife | sure you want to do that ? :p |
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| 18:34.05 | mfrisch | scruffy: well I think a default comes with X..give me a sec. |
| 18:34.12 | mrBiB | because some files in ntfs partition were corrupted, I can't boot to window, need to recopy it |
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| 18:34.17 | xingu | scruffy: probably - industrial-cursor-theme? |
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| 18:34.39 | gravity | xcursor-themes iirc |
| 18:34.47 | gravity | I haven't actually looked at that package in a while |
| 18:34.51 | HymnToLife | mrBiB, run a recovery from Windows CD then |
| 18:34.54 | scruffy | xingu: I think it may be xcursor-themes that's producing it, I'll check |
| 18:35.04 | HymnToLife | mounting it with ntfs-3g is the worst thing to do |
| 18:35.06 | mfrisch | scruffy: they all are *-cursor-theme |
| 18:35.19 | mrBiB | window CD can't detect my sata HDD :/ |
| 18:35.29 | mrBiB | so stupid |
| 18:35.36 | mfrisch | mrBiB: me either they suck |
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| 18:37.02 | xingu | mrBiB: there's usually a floppy disk image for the driver support if you look |
| 18:37.39 | mfrisch | xingu: mine never worked...updated bios used there load feature no luck |
| 18:37.51 | mrBiB | yep :D, but I throwed FDD long time ago...maybe 3 years already |
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| 18:38.24 | mfrisch | xingu: but I didn't buy this pc for |
| 18:38.27 | mfrisch | ''doz |
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| 18:42.20 | scruffy | mfrisch, xingu: didn't change the cursor. I'm trying to figure out where the heck the cursor style is set, and I'm not finding it. I've grepped the whole /etc/X11 for 'cursor'. |
| 18:42.43 | xingu | scruffy: in gnome, it's in the mouse peferences panel |
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| 18:43.02 | xingu | scruffy: or equally, I suspect part of an overall theme also. |
| 18:43.06 | Drstroker | can anyone tell me the way to manipulate the system speaker in shell? |
| 18:43.20 | scruffy | xingu: not using gnome :( |
| 18:43.23 | mfrisch | scruffy: maybe part of libxcursor |
| 18:43.40 | wols_ | !beep |
| 18:43.40 | dpkg | it has been said that beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 18:44.03 | xingu | it's xcursor that actually handles the mechanics |
| 18:44.39 | xingu | libstartup-notifications is what gives you application launching/ busy cursors; but it's still xcursor that actually changes and animates them. |
| 18:44.56 | scruffy | mfrisch: already installed, so there must be some other voodoo to change it. :D |
| 18:44.58 | xingu | xcursor in turn is usually driven by your DE's theming engine. |
| 18:45.31 | mfrisch | scruffy: probally not voodoo ;-) |
| 18:46.04 | mfrisch | scruffy: do a dpkg -l from both machines then diff them |
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| 18:46.31 | scruffy | xingu: DE = ? |
| 18:46.44 | xingu | desktop environment; gnome/kde/xfce/yadda. |
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| 18:47.12 | tastygoat_ | !apt-spy |
| 18:47.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and ... |
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| 18:48.13 | scruffy | xingu, mfrisch: I suspect gconfd-2 is doing it |
| 18:48.29 | xingu | I don't. :) |
| 18:49.25 | scruffy | xingu: OK, I'm giving up for now.. maybe some coffee will make it better |
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| 18:49.54 | mfrisch | scruffy: how is that going to fix it? |
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| 18:50.18 | simonrvn | s/he'll *feel* better ;) |
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| 18:51.27 | scruffy | simonrvn, mfrisch: 'he', and right, maybe after coffee I won't care about the cursor anymore |
| 18:51.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:52.21 | mfrisch | scruffy: hey you might like the other one better ;-) |
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| 18:55.30 | xingu | hmm, interesting, beryl seems to have an off-by-one wrt cursor themes |
| 18:56.16 | xingu | with only industrial available, it does the right thing - otherwise it picks something it likes |
| 18:56.38 | tastygoat_ | !repository |
| 18:56.39 | dpkg | i guess debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 18:58.38 | mne | hi, is someone familiar with tomcat5.5 and apache2 ? i get an error message "no host matches server name ...". I've spent hours reading the tomcat doc. but no success so far |
| 18:59.08 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a gui volyme controller that is more advanced then alsamixer |
| 18:59.13 | mne | also interesting is the fact that tomcat still runs under the tomcat user though i configured it to run as www-daa |
| 18:59.26 | mfrisch | outlaw84: kmix is good |
| 18:59.47 | xingu | there's always asmix :) |
| 18:59.50 | outlaw84 | mfrisch: naw its too weak :/ |
| 18:59.53 | mne | gnome-alsamixer |
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| 19:00.04 | mfrisch | outlaw84: week? |
| 19:00.20 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a mixer that can select subdevice |
| 19:00.46 | mfrisch | outlaw84: its got everything alsa got..select mixer then the tabs |
| 19:01.03 | outlaw84 | vlc, xmms can select which device the sound should play from... I want a mixer that where I can make the same selection |
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| 19:02.06 | mfrisch | outlaw84: good luck. mixers go up and down |
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| 19:13.49 | pablo_ | hi, if i want to have kde as desktop what do you recommend me: installing from the netinstall or from the debian-kde cd? |
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| 19:14.26 | mfrisch | pablo_: just use the netinstall then aptitude install kde xserver-xorg when done |
| 19:14.33 | redstelwerk | hi, i just realized my beloved co-admin did a `chown -R lighty:lighty /` when he was trying to set up permissions for the web server files. is there any way i can recover default permissions? |
| 19:15.00 | mfrisch | redstelwerk: I'm sorry. |
| 19:15.04 | redstelwerk | ouch |
| 19:15.07 | mfrisch | redstelwerk: no backups ? |
| 19:15.23 | redstelwerk | well, this is our devel machine so no, not really :( |
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| 19:15.46 | redstelwerk | which one would hurt more? a baseball bat or heat sprao on face? |
| 19:15.50 | redstelwerk | *spray |
| 19:16.29 | mfrisch | redstelwerk: well a start would be chown -R wwwdata.wwwdata /var/www/ but the more stuff you have the more is changed...let me look at mine. |
| 19:16.39 | xingu | horse, bolted, stable door locks, investigation as to the utility of |
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| 19:17.00 | smhar | hi friends |
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| 19:17.26 | redstelwerk | well currently everything is owned by lighty. i mean everything :( |
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| 19:17.32 | mfrisch | redstelwerk: in /var/www mine is all root.root did he "play" with permissions too? |
| 19:18.06 | redstelwerk | well everything under / is owned by lighty |
| 19:18.07 | redstelwerk | bin |
| 19:18.12 | redstelwerk | tmp, etc. everything |
| 19:18.19 | wols_ | redstelwerk: reinstall |
| 19:18.25 | xingu | redstelwerk: you can create a centralised repository of file permissions but there isn't generally one by default |
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| 19:18.54 | redstelwerk | hmm |
| 19:18.59 | h3sp4wn | redstelwerk: changing everything to root:root would certainly put you in a better position than you are in now |
| 19:18.59 | redstelwerk | thanks guys. |
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| 19:19.21 | xingu | redstelwerk: aide is a pretty reasonable way of creating such an animal; you could try and bruteforce it by unpacking every installed deb and setting the perms as-per but this won't give you 100% cover anyway. |
| 19:19.34 | mfrisch | redstelwerk: this is a blank install http://pastebin.ca/419941 |
| 19:19.36 | xingu | h3sp4wn: especially for the suid binaries eh? :) |
| 19:19.42 | redstelwerk | i think i would be better off with a re-install |
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| 19:20.31 | redstelwerk | thanks mfrisch, but it is more than that |
| 19:20.52 | redstelwerk | anyway, thanks again. i am off to raid the other guys house. |
| 19:21.09 | mfrisch | redstelwerk: don't get arressted |
| 19:21.18 | redstelwerk | :) |
| 19:21.40 | h3sp4wn | xingu: better than everything lighty:lighty (dev machine doesn't matter massively for security) |
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| 19:22.29 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn: I don't get it I gave him the owner and the default file permissions |
| 19:22.50 | xingu | mfrisch: it's the whole system... |
| 19:22.55 | perlmonkey | i added a new hdd to my workstation and now my cdrom is gone :( |
| 19:22.57 | xingu | mfrisch: not just one or two dirs |
| 19:22.58 | perlmonkey | mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist |
| 19:23.09 | wols_ | !lart udev |
| 19:23.14 | smhar | I am running etch with kernel 2.6.17-2-686 . I believe the latest in etch is 2.6.18 . what is the best way to upgrade the kernel, the debian way? |
| 19:23.21 | xingu | h3sp4wn: I wasn't even thinking of that angle, there's things that need to be suid root for the system to function |
| 19:23.23 | xand | perlmonkey: does the bios say it's there? |
| 19:23.26 | wols_ | It's so bad, this thing is worthy of inclusion in Vista! |
| 19:23.26 | mfrisch | xingu: he did not do a lighty:lighty on root did he ? |
| 19:23.39 | xingu | mfrisch: -R, and /, yes. |
| 19:23.50 | perlmonkey | xand: I havent checked, I better check that..I looked in dmesg and no mention of cdrom :( |
| 19:23.54 | xand | mfrisch: pay attention |
| 19:24.09 | xand | perlmonkey: did you set your jumpers correctly? :P |
| 19:24.19 | perlmonkey | hmm i didnt touch them heh |
| 19:24.21 | mfrisch | xand: he was talking about apache thats why I though that. |
| 19:24.32 | perlmonkey | but |
| 19:24.43 | perlmonkey | my hdd is scsi on uw cable, shouldnt affect ide cd? |
| 19:24.55 | perlmonkey | separate controller eh |
| 19:24.56 | xand | no it shouldn |
| 19:24.56 | xand | t |
| 19:24.59 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:25.05 | xand | unless you knocked the cable loose ;) |
| 19:25.12 | perlmonkey | ahh yes mebbes i did |
| 19:25.36 | xingu | did you plug in the power cable? :) |
| 19:25.47 | perlmonkey | i will check brb |
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| 19:25.54 | wols_ | heh |
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| 19:29.34 | mfrisch | wols_: you may know ever make a evms domU on a lvm2 container I can't find it..but it wants to run so its there. |
| 19:29.36 | zrin | i have a debian box as the router w/ firewall and its routing table has few entries as usual - but on the windows box behing, the routing table is constantly growing - it gets populated with single-host entries, all pointing to the router (same as default route) ... what can cause that? |
| 19:29.54 | wols_ | mfrisch: nope |
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| 19:30.20 | wols_ | zrin: dhcp? |
| 19:30.24 | mfrisch | wols_: its driving me crazy I just want to mount it. |
| 19:31.00 | zrin | wols_. no, the entries are like 83.140.176.147 255.255.255.255 192.168.205.1 192.168.205.131 20 (.205.1 is the router / firewall / gateway) |
| 19:31.20 | wols_ | I didn't ask that. answer my question please |
| 19:31.22 | xingu | zrin: sounds like the host's netmask is ungodly wide and it's arping for the whole internet - and the gateway is letting it. |
| 19:31.24 | zrin | so many single external hosts. these entries are pointless |
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| 19:31.43 | wols_ | 255.255.255.255? is that the windows hostmask? |
| 19:31.49 | wols_ | if so, change it to 255.255.255.0 |
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| 19:32.11 | zrin | wols_: no, that is the mask in those routing table entries ... |
| 19:33.09 | wols_ | zrin: can you answer my question? |
| 19:33.12 | zrin | xingu: i have two active interfaces - LAN 192.168.205.0/24 and VNET 192.168.182.0/24 |
| 19:33.32 | zrin | wols_: what is your Q? |
| 19:34.00 | wols_ | scroll up |
| 19:34.09 | xingu | zrin: this isn't #windows-networking, you're a tad OT |
| 19:34.10 | wols_ | 21:30 < wols_> zrin: dhcp? |
| 19:34.22 | zrin | xingu: I've never seen such behavior before ... |
| 19:34.26 | wols_ | xingu: depends who or what causes windows to create those entries |
| 19:34.29 | zrin | wols_: yes, i use dhcp |
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| 19:34.37 | wols_ | try with static IPs |
| 19:34.48 | wols_ | if it fixes it you know where to look |
| 19:35.03 | zrin | wols_: hmm... |
| 19:35.14 | xingu | more to the point, check your routing table and make sure your netmask is really a /24 and not a /32 or /0 |
| 19:35.38 | zrin | xingu: I did, it is /24 |
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| 19:36.22 | xingu | you probably need to paste route print and ipconfig /all somewhere |
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| 19:37.52 | perlmonkey | ribbon cable wasnt plugged in..doh |
| 19:38.17 | xingu | !fish perlmonkey |
| 19:38.22 | perlmonkey | :P |
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| 19:39.51 | perlmonkey | sheesh still cant mount cd tho |
| 19:39.55 | perlmonkey | mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist |
| 19:40.25 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: cd /dev/ && MAKEDEV hdc ? |
| 19:40.26 | perlmonkey | hda: ATAPI 32X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, DMA |
| 19:40.26 | perlmonkey | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
| 19:40.31 | perlmonkey | (dmesg) |
| 19:40.45 | xingu | so the odds are good you need... /dev/hda. |
| 19:41.12 | perlmonkey | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 19:41.45 | perlmonkey | xingu: phew you're right |
| 19:41.48 | perlmonkey | why did it change |
| 19:42.16 | perlmonkey | its normally hdc |
| 19:42.34 | zrin | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/419974 I know it's OT, thank you for any hint |
| 19:43.50 | morvok | hrm.. this new comp has a raid controller.. |
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| 19:44.53 | morvok | does the on-board fasttrak controller mirror the first ide channel.. or do I get to configure that? |
| 19:45.31 | mfrisch | morvok: there usually is a setup (on mine its tab) when going through the bios |
| 19:45.35 | xingu | zrin: there's no error there; your default gateway is set as 205.1 - and it has a default gateway, I would guess, of 205.131 |
| 19:45.46 | zrin | xingu: you mentioned that ARP could create routing entries, would it also create such pointless (?) entries? |
| 19:46.02 | xingu | zrin: your routing table is littered with temporary routes which are installed as a byproduct of recieving icmp redirects and caching them. |
| 19:46.06 | morvok | mfrisch: really? thanks. |
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| 19:46.37 | zrin | xingu: what creates icmp redirects? NAT on the gateway? |
| 19:46.38 | xingu | zrin: if you want to clean up the topology, either run a routing protocol (from memory windows supports rip) or set your default gateway to 205.131 |
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| 19:47.09 | zrin | xingu: 205.131 is the ip of the win box with the problem |
| 19:47.20 | xingu | zrin: if you send a packet to 205.1 for which it has a next-hop as being on-link, it'll generate an icmp redirect telling you where to go and how to get there |
| 19:47.35 | xingu | hmm ok. |
| 19:47.48 | zrin | xingu: 205.1 is the router/firewall/gateway - debian box with iptables (shorewall) |
| 19:48.01 | tastygoat_ | is KDE-look.org down? |
| 19:48.03 | zrin | xingu: it's gateway is the providers' |
| 19:49.12 | xingu | zrin: I see you have two local lan's - 192.168.205 and also 192.168.105 |
| 19:49.13 | zrin | xingu: so, the setup is IIUC exactly as it should be - I'm using it for several years now |
| 19:49.18 | xingu | zrin: are you connected to the right one? |
| 19:49.53 | zrin | xingu: sure, I'm in 205, 105 is for the kids |
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| 19:50.03 | xingu | zrin: ie, physical layer - is 205.131 really on the same broadcast segment as 105.1 ? or is it on the same broadcast segment as 205.whatever |
| 19:50.07 | mfrisch | zrin: shorewall how long? they just changed alot of their configs around.' |
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| 19:50.24 | xingu | err sorry, let me try again |
| 19:50.24 | zrin | xingu: no, 105 and 205 are physically separated |
| 19:50.40 | xingu | zrin: ie, physical layer - is 205.131 really on the same broadcast segment as 205.1 ? or is it on the same broadcast segment as 105.whatever |
| 19:50.43 | zrin | xingu: they meet at the router (2 NICs) |
| 19:51.07 | xingu | zrin: can you check that the router interface names have not become transposed between what you think the physical layer is and what it really is? |
| 19:51.32 | xingu | zrin: ie, probably run tcpdump -ni eth1 icmp |
| 19:51.35 | xingu | zrin: then ping it. |
| 19:51.43 | zrin | xingu: yes ... I'm using a switch with VLANs ... perhaps I could check if its settings got messed up |
| 19:52.35 | xingu | zrin: if the situation I'm describing does exist - it's totally possible that the firewall is answering arp for 205.1 and then replying with redirects when the traffic is forwarded to the "wrong" interface |
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| 19:54.00 | xingu | zrin: nb, linux can do native 802.1q just so you know; you probably only need one, trunking physical interface |
| 19:54.17 | zrin | xingu: I think I understand ... could it be that even if 105 and 205 are really separated (i.e. VLANs on the switch working correctly), that the routing on the router/gateway could produce such behavior? |
| 19:54.47 | xingu | zrin: only if the logical and physical layers were inverted; in the optimal case this will not happen |
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| 19:55.29 | Ulixes | hi |
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| 19:55.34 | Ulixes | when etch comes out? |
| 19:55.45 | enyc | Ulixes: when its ready ;-) |
| 19:55.55 | zrin | xingu: I didn't know that - so I could try to trunk the two lines, enable VLAN ID on them and configure the debian box to handle the packets correctly? |
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| 19:55.58 | Ulixes | a frined said today... |
| 19:56.02 | enyc | Ulixes: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 19:56.02 | Ulixes | *friend |
| 19:56.06 | TheBlueWizard | etch has come out! |
| 19:56.12 | TheBlueWizard | April Fool :) |
| 19:56.17 | xingu | zrin: yep |
| 19:56.23 | rambo3 | !lenny |
| 19:56.23 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 19:56.24 | mfrisch | ha ha |
| 19:56.47 | Ulixes | k gotta got thz |
| 19:56.58 | xingu | zrin: nb another clue that the physical/datalink layers are inverted - ping 205.1 and look at arp table on windows verses mac address in ifconfig |
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| 19:57.39 | aaroncampbell | Is there an equivalent to yum whatprovides modulename |
| 19:57.49 | zrin | xingu: they match |
| 19:57.49 | aaroncampbell | I need a library (libwfb), and I want to know what package provides it |
| 19:57.50 | me_here | what has pixar to do with debian ? |
| 19:58.26 | rambo3 | Debian Troll , is it 5.0 ? |
| 19:58.33 | zrin | xingu: I didn't change the cabling for quite a while - and I didn't notice those routing entries before |
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| 19:58.44 | xingu | zrin: hmm; tcpdump on eth1 in that case, and see what's going on on the wire |
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| 19:59.18 | xingu | aaroncampbell: apt-file |
| 20:00.10 | zrin | xingu: 21:59:33.431792 IP 62.178.201.205 > 192.168.205.241: ICMP 72.14.221.91 unreachable - need to frag (mtu 576), length 556 |
| 20:00.27 | xmoogle | hiya, having some problems installing debian on a new machine...like new new, amd64x2, sata harddrive, etc...it wont detect the harddrive or network card at all, though another linux livecd can detect and use them |
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| 20:00.55 | zrin | xingu: I'm getting similar entry every few sencods |
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| 20:01.11 | zrin | xingu: 62.178 is my external ip address |
| 20:01.16 | x3n0 | what dir does iceweasel store its image cache? |
| 20:01.34 | zrin | xingu: 22:01:16.571386 IP 88.122.244.125 > 192.168.205.131: ICMP host 88.122.244.125 unreachable, length 71 |
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| 20:02.30 | wols_ | xmoogle: use etch |
| 20:02.50 | streuner | Is parted in any of the install CD's? |
| 20:02.57 | xingu | zrin: gotta go - busted nat in shorewall i think |
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| 20:03.16 | zrin | xingu: ok, thank you! |
| 20:03.36 | x3n0 | what dir does iceweasel store its image cache? |
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| 20:04.00 | xmoogle | wols_, is there a netinst for etch? |
| 20:04.26 | mfrisch | zrin: I'm telling you if you have used shorewall for years...the configs have changed you should read the docs. |
| 20:04.43 | coolzone | Hi all. I normally work on a FreeBSD machine, but am currently located at a Debian box. I was looking for sockstat, which isn't there :-) Does debian have something similar? |
| 20:04.57 | zrin | mfrisch: yeah, I know that - I've configured the router a month ago :/ |
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| 20:06.15 | mfrisch | zrin: what you running? it was a lot longer than that ago. |
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| 20:06.51 | zrin | mfrisch: shorewall 3.2.6 on etch |
| 20:07.05 | streuner | Is there an alternative to 'partimage'? |
| 20:07.15 | xmoogle | to be honest i always switch to unstable once i've installed anyway |
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| 20:07.19 | Gryfelhase | Streuner: cfdisk |
| 20:07.49 | zrin | mfrisch: my problem are spurious temporary routing table entries on the win box behind the fw - like http://pastebin.ca/419974 |
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| 20:08.36 | streuner | Gryfelhase: /msg dpkg info partimage |
| 20:09.58 | mfrisch | zrin: is it from the vmware maybe? |
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| 20:10.33 | wols_ | xmoogle: yes there is a netinst |
| 20:10.37 | zrin | mfrisch: 205.131 is a real box, it has vmware interface, but no running virtual machines at the moment |
| 20:10.44 | xmoogle | yay :) |
| 20:10.49 | Gryfelhase | streuner: sorry, my fault :) |
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| 20:12.03 | yoshio | coolzone: is it like "cat /proc/net/sockstat" or different? |
| 20:12.35 | mfrisch | zrin: all I can suggest is recreating the packets with a sniffer attached or something..it is like something is sending bad packets. |
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| 20:13.46 | zrin | mfrisch: I wonder what could add those routing table entries - xingu says ICMP redirects cause such entries - I'm running tcpdump on that segment, butt all I see are some "unreachable" ICMP messages |
| 20:14.45 | zrin | mfrisch: those entries are temporary - they dissapear after some time (5 min?) |
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| 20:15.48 | zrin | mfrisch: also, hosts from those entries do not show up in active connections (netstat) |
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| 20:18.23 | simprix | How can I query the packages to find out which one contains a certain filt |
| 20:18.27 | simprix | file |
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| 20:19.07 | Gathond | packages.debian.org |
| 20:19.11 | morvok | do I need to do anything to the operating system after I set up the hardware raid NBios? |
| 20:19.29 | Gathond | or if the file is already installed dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 20:19.36 | mfrisch | morvok: shouldn't it should be transparent |
| 20:19.54 | Kevin` | morvok if it's true hardware raid, no. a lot of "hardware" raid isn't really, though |
| 20:20.14 | simprix | im trying to reinstall postgresql because it is missing pg_hba.conf but it will not reinsatll that file |
| 20:20.15 | morvok | mfrisch: I would think the os wouldn't need to see anything.. than again it says promise fastrak :) |
| 20:21.01 | Gathond | simprix: just reinstalling does not overwrite configuration |
| 20:21.13 | simprix | how do i overwrite |
| 20:21.36 | Gathond | simprix: if you have no important stuff there, try purging the package and installing it again |
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| 20:21.52 | Gathond | I'm not quite sure which postgresql package has the configuration files though |
| 20:21.59 | simprix | how do I purge postgresql |
| 20:22.10 | mfrisch | morvok: put in a livecd andd see what it says in fdisk |
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| 20:22.28 | xmoogle | ty anyway, byebye :) |
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| 20:22.32 | morvok | mfrisch: that is a good idea |
| 20:22.32 | Gathond | simprix: apt-get/aptitude (pick one) purge packagename |
| 20:22.52 | simprix | invalid option |
| 20:23.02 | simprix | operation |
| 20:23.04 | Kevin` | morvok if it ends up bieng raid that is done in software with a special driver, I would consider using linux's software raid |
| 20:23.06 | mfrisch | morvok: its a little quicker than getting to the install one |
| 20:23.23 | Gathond | remove --purge then |
| 20:23.25 | Kevin` | heh most livecds are slow |
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| 20:23.49 | Gathond | apparently I'm not that good with apt-get syntax any more |
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| 20:25.36 | Kevin` | morvok a little googling suggests this type of raid is handled with the "ataraid" driver, and seems to be done in software |
| 20:25.52 | morvok | 8. install the raid driver from the support CD that came with the motherboard package.. so I assume that means it is a cheap fake raid controller. |
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| 20:26.58 | morvok | so, since this machine will be done with a clean install I can just set it up with the debian installer no? |
| 20:27.13 | Kevin` | you'd want to use a driver/software package for any form of raid, just to check the health of the array in software (other then the loud beeping.. :)) |
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| 20:30.15 | morvok | so if this is a software raid controller.. shouldn't I just be able to use this controller as an extra IDE controller? |
| 20:30.45 | dondelelcaro | morvok: yes; that's actually the recommended method of using htem |
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| 20:31.28 | triplc | hi all, how to make Wacom to run in etch. i run "dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source" but it does not work. |
| 20:31.54 | karsten | Etch released today?! |
| 20:31.56 | rainabba | I just used apt to install kqemu-common an kqemu-source. Now how do I compile it (or qemu) so I can use it? |
| 20:31.59 | triplc | when asked, i use the latest kernel headers (2.6.18-4) |
| 20:32.00 | dondelelcaro | karsten: no |
| 20:32.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I heard it was paraded out on a carriage pulled by six pink ponies. |
| 20:32.30 | triplc | (i think etch is testing) |
| 20:32.37 | Ronin | karsten: pink elephants actually |
| 20:32.50 | karsten | Ronin: I didn't have my glasses on. |
| 20:33.00 | karsten | Ronin: ... and last night's libations were a tad strong. |
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| 20:34.14 | Ronin | karsten: last 3 weeks and counting were too strong here :) |
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| 20:38.25 | perlmonkey | make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255 |
| 20:38.25 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.28 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 20:38.49 | perlmonkey | think i got summat missing |
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| 20:39.21 | perlmonkey | whats the name of developers? enviro to compile soft |
| 20:39.44 | perlmonkey | i installed from xfce cd |
| 20:39.47 | triplc | someone please tell how to make Wacom work. what i am doing but it does not work: using etch, apt-get install wacom-kernel-source, then run "dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source", when asked about the kernel headers, i use the 2.6.18-4-686 (latest one in etch)... but the compilation has error |
| 20:40.33 | perlmonkey | gcc? |
| 20:40.53 | rainabba | I must recompile the kernel to get kqemu support? Not available as a module (or does that require a recompile anyhow) ? |
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| 20:41.07 | perlmonkey | i cant compile shit |
| 20:41.30 | Kevin` | rainabba kqemu can be used as a module, and is usually used as a module |
| 20:41.45 | rainabba | dpkg-reconfigure kqemu-source ? |
| 20:42.03 | dustybin | what IMAP package would work well with postfix? |
| 20:42.07 | Kevin` | iono the debian magic for doing it, but you don't need a full kernel recompile to add a module |
| 20:42.20 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 20:43.59 | jayeola | hi guys. does any one use elinks here? |
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| 20:44.12 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: apt-get -b source kqemu |
| 20:45.10 | tastygoat_ | the amd64 port etch merged with the offical repos?I run x86-64 so that means for repos I just use the ones from debian.org? |
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| 20:45.39 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Not seen that syntax before but I see that it grabbed kqemu-source and kqemu-common and ran dpkg-deb for me. That right? |
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| 20:46.25 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: it should leave you with deb's |
| 20:46.36 | bzed | h3sp4wn: sure that that will work for kqemu? i'd guess you'd end with a kquemu-source package |
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| 20:46.50 | rainabba | hey bzed |
| 20:47.03 | tastygoat_ | hello is anyone running x86-64 etch here? |
| 20:47.11 | bzed | rainabba: apt-get install kqemu-source module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i kquemu |
| 20:47.20 | bzed | that should work imho. |
| 20:47.32 | h3sp4wn | bzed: last time I tried kqemu it was only in non-free source only] |
| 20:47.38 | bzed | hey rainabba :) trying kquemy now? |
| 20:47.44 | bzed | h3sp4wn: it's still in there :) |
| 20:48.03 | h3sp4wn | bzed: but kqemu-source didn't exist (you had to build it) |
| 20:48.05 | bzed | rainabba: kvm 18 came into unstable today, at least the module source, not sure about the rest |
| 20:48.12 | rainabba | bzed: I think you gave me a similar syntax for something else in the past, know a good article to learn about that method? |
| 20:48.13 | bzed | h3sp4wn: ah. no it's in unstable now |
| 20:48.23 | bzed | rainabba: man module-assistant |
| 20:48.51 | valdyn | tastygoat_: amd64 is official starting with etch, so you can use the same mirrors as for any other official arch |
| 20:48.51 | rainabba | bzed: kvm hasn't been working for me. Litterally, I try to boot a WindowsServer2003 guest and just get a black screen that goes nowhere. |
| 20:48.56 | tastygoat_ | is etch the testing ? |
| 20:49.33 | bzed | rainabba: ah ok, windows doesn;t run in kvm |
| 20:49.34 | tastygoat_ | valdyn: i'm trying to set up my repos and am confused :) |
| 20:49.41 | bzed | !tell tastygoat_ about testing |
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| 20:49.55 | rainabba | bzed: REally? I'm sure I read different. |
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| 20:50.15 | bzed | rainabba: well that may ahve changed now, you wanna try kvm 18 from unstable |
| 20:50.23 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: It does work with it - however you need to install it without kvm |
| 20:50.32 | h3sp4wn | (according to the kvm wiki) |
| 20:50.49 | rainabba | Yah, it's installed (used qemu), ok. |
| 20:50.59 | dustybin | debian etch might be released any day now :) |
| 20:51.07 | bzed | rainabba: kvm 18 is not in unstable yet, though. the source is allready |
| 20:51.09 | rainabba | bzed: Any chance to can tell me how to update to kvm 18? |
| 20:51.24 | bzed | dustybin: that would have been a good april's 1st fool :P |
| 20:51.30 | dustybin | heh yes |
| 20:51.37 | rainabba | bzed: Why, so nm? |
| 20:51.40 | bzed | rainabba: wait until tomorrow and then install kvm from unstable |
| 20:51.45 | rainabba | ok |
| 20:52.04 | bzed | rainabba: all I hope that kvm will be in unstable then. if it built well ;) |
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| 20:52.48 | rainabba | With kqemu installed and the module loaded with modprobe, I need any switches on qemu or will it use it on it's own? |
| 20:53.32 | Owdgit | !kvm |
| 20:53.32 | dpkg | it has been said that kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.sourceforge.net/debian.html for installation instructions. |
| 20:54.07 | rainabba | Owdgit: I assume that was targeted at me but I'm wondering about kqemu, not kvm :) |
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| 20:55.22 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: dpkg -i *.deb (that you built before) then m-a a-i kqemu |
| 20:56.11 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Did that per bzeds recomendation and I've run modprobe kqemu, then lsmod to ensure it's loaded. |
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| 21:01.53 | dalegribble | isn't there a way to enable kernel options from the command line without recompiling a kernel? i could have sworn i'd done this before, but can't recall how |
| 21:02.39 | Kevin` | dalegribble your bootloader can set kernel command line options.. |
| 21:02.52 | streuner | Aren't you talking about 'kernelparameters'? |
| 21:03.22 | dalegribble | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.27 | dalegribble | like to get moblock running |
| 21:03.46 | streuner | nah, you did set them up or not |
| 21:04.57 | petemc | it is possible to compile some modules without recompiling the kernel |
| 21:05.13 | streuner | yes, third party modules :-) |
| 21:05.16 | petemc | no |
| 21:05.21 | petemc | kernel modules |
| 21:05.28 | streuner | in initrd, yes |
| 21:05.33 | petemc | no |
| 21:05.36 | streuner | haha |
| 21:05.52 | petemc | why are you laughing? |
| 21:06.18 | delsvr | speaking of which, how do you make your initrd image when you're not building a deb package? |
| 21:06.25 | streuner | so you want take any kernel module and just recompile them without any errors, right? |
| 21:06.31 | delsvr | I hear mkinitrd is deprecated |
| 21:06.31 | bzed | delsvr: man update-initramfs |
| 21:06.38 | delsvr | bzed: thanks |
| 21:06.40 | petemc | run make menuconfig, set the required modules to m, run make modules modules_install , depmod -a |
| 21:07.01 | petemc | streuner: it works for some modules, yes |
| 21:07.07 | dalegribble | oh well, thanks for your help guys |
| 21:07.08 | bzed | delsvr: use the initramfs-tools or yaird package instead of mkinitramfs |
| 21:07.30 | bzed | delsvr: I'd suggest initramfs, yaird has too many bugs imho |
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| 21:08.10 | streuner | petemc: that's crap, IMHO - you are using a official kernel image or just compile the whole kernel NEW. |
| 21:08.14 | delsvr | bzed: I'll give it a whirl |
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| 21:08.38 | petemc | streuner: i dont much care what your opinion is, ive done it numerous times |
| 21:09.04 | perlmonkey | make: *** [ReadKey.o] Error 1 |
| 21:09.04 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.11 | perlmonkey | sheesh wtf is wrong with my sys now |
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| 21:09.44 | streuner | petemc: Who cares if you aren't using a 200 Mhz box and you need to compile a kernel within 3 hours, most new system are pretty fast ;-) |
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| 21:10.15 | petemc | interesting viewpoint.. |
| 21:10.56 | perlmonkey | wtf |
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| 21:11.32 | perlmonkey | /usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:420:24: error: sys/types.h: No such file or director |
| 21:11.52 | tastygoat_ | is anyone running etch testing here that could paste bin there sources list please? |
| 21:11.54 | perlmonkey | Sgtty NOT found. |
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| 21:12.08 | perlmonkey | tastygoat_ sure |
| 21:12.16 | tastygoat_ | thanks |
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| 21:12.36 | lfs | I dont believe it takes three hours to compile a kernel |
| 21:12.39 | perlmonkey | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
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| 21:12.48 | perlmonkey | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
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| 21:12.55 | perlmonkey | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
| 21:13.04 | perlmonkey | thats it |
| 21:13.07 | irule | hi, how can I install a full kde desktop on sarge from command line, thanks? |
| 21:13.14 | lfs | Even on ten year old hardware |
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| 21:15.21 | edju | Booted from Knoppix, chrooted to root (hda7). Trying to mount hda9 at /usr. I get "cannot mount hda9 read-only", and it doesn't mount. I need it, so how can I get it? |
| 21:15.36 | irule | lfs wanna bet? hehe, I just compiled 2.6.20.4 on a 133 Mhz Pentium III |
| 21:15.36 | wols_ | by asking #knoppix? |
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| 21:15.43 | perlmonkey | Constant subroutine __USE_POSIX undefined at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/features.ph line 8 |
| 21:15.52 | wols_ | !kde |
| 21:15.52 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 21:15.56 | lfs | It took three hours? |
| 21:16.00 | irule | !kde |
| 21:16.01 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 21:16.02 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:16.14 | irule | ok thanks |
| 21:16.15 | streuner | lfs: WinChip 200 Mhz |
| 21:16.55 | bzed | perlmonkey: apt-get install libc6-dev ? |
| 21:17.01 | irule | is there a list somewhere of all tips that dpkg has? thanks |
| 21:17.10 | bzed | perlmonkey: apt-get install build-essential << even better |
| 21:17.11 | perlmonkey | bzed: thanks |
| 21:17.13 | wols_ | perlmonkey: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:17.19 | edju | wols, Well, in Knoppix, it mounts. That's not the problem - it won't mount when chrooted into Debian. |
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| 21:17.35 | wols_ | edju: you still run knoppix |
| 21:17.36 | petemc | !your factoids |
| 21:17.37 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 21:17.38 | perlmonkey | would be lost without you guys |
| 21:17.59 | tastygoat_ | !apt-spy |
| 21:17.59 | dpkg | methinks apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 21:18.23 | irule | why is flash plugin running high speed all the time on sarge? |
| 21:18.32 | tastygoat_ | yeah great success |
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| 21:19.04 | rahul | apt-spy always segfaults and wipes out my sources.list |
| 21:19.07 | tastygoat_ | thanks perlmonkey thouse uk mirrors had just what i needed |
| 21:19.09 | rahul | even if I tell it not to |
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| 21:19.57 | dondelelcaro | rahul: you mean #315120? |
| 21:19.58 | streuner | irule: because it sucks? |
| 21:20.17 | wols_ | !flash |
| 21:20.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 21:21.18 | rahul | dondelelcaro: possibly... lemme check |
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| 21:21.49 | dondelelcaro | (if not, file ze bug!) |
| 21:22.36 | rahul | dondelelcaro: hmm, it crashes later... |
| 21:22.37 | lfs | Is there an open source substitute for the flash player? |
| 21:22.49 | perlmonkey | tastygoat_ cool :) |
| 21:23.35 | streuner | lfs: no |
| 21:23.41 | wols_ | lfs: gnash. not fully working (yet) |
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| 21:24.58 | bytejumper | Hi All, is there i Iptables guru ? :) |
| 21:25.26 | streuner | some people don't use youtube at all, because it uses flash |
| 21:25.31 | wols_ | they all hide out at lartc.org |
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| 21:26.44 | bytejumper | I need to log IPs that tries to connect to my linuxbox more than 5 times per minute |
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| 21:27.25 | wintix | bytejumper: get an intrusion detection system? |
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| 21:28.00 | solar_sea | how do I set up the terminal type [in the console / xterm], so that I get colours ? |
| 21:28.00 | bytejumper | wintix thanks, but it must be iptables, not an ids |
| 21:28.39 | rahul | oh, it is the same bug that is reported in the last response to the bug |
| 21:28.48 | wols_ | bytejumper: homework? |
| 21:29.08 | wintix | heh. |
| 21:29.15 | bytejumper | wols_ no :) I only dont understand the iptables modules |
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| 21:29.31 | petemc | bytejumper: you can do that without iptables |
| 21:29.44 | bytejumper | petemc how ? :) |
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| 21:30.13 | petemc | bytejumper: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/ssh-watch.sh.txt |
| 21:30.18 | bytejumper | \ wols_ I have tried it with the recent module, but it does not work |
| 21:30.19 | petemc | adapt to suit |
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| 21:30.44 | bytejumper | \ petemc I don't understand, can You explain please ? |
| 21:31.13 | petemc | bytejumper: try reading it |
| 21:31.19 | kussik | does someone know where i can get a linux driver for my ATI Radeon 1100 graphics card? |
| 21:31.25 | kussik | please |
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| 21:31.35 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 21:31.36 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 21:31.38 | AlteKiet | What do I have to put in sources.list when (before) etch becomes stable? I want to keep my installation 'testing' but don't want any troubles when lenny == testing in stead of etch... |
| 21:31.50 | wols_ | !fglrx one-liner |
| 21:31.50 | dpkg | fglrx one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 21:32.13 | kussik | thanx |
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| 21:33.20 | bytejumper | petemc this is for parsing log files, this won't work for my situatution |
| 21:33.34 | petemc | shit one |
| 21:33.43 | bytejumper | petemc I need to log spiders, crawlers and harvesters |
| 21:33.56 | bytejumper | petemc they connect to port 80 on my machine |
| 21:34.15 | petemc | you have something running on port 80 that doesnt log? |
| 21:34.25 | bytejumper | petemc I have tried it with parsing access logs from my web server |
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| 21:34.58 | bytejumper | petemc but I don't know how count an IP in 5 minutes time basis |
| 21:35.25 | petemc | that wouldnt work for you as is anyway, i dont know what web server software uses tcpwrappers.. |
| 21:35.55 | petemc | bytejumper: that script looks for 5 instances of something in a logfile |
| 21:36.40 | bytejumper | petemc And what happens when an IP connect 3 times per Hour and another 3 times in another hour ? |
| 21:36.55 | bytejumper | petemc than You have 6 entries in the log |
| 21:36.56 | omg0 | Does anyone here run any clusters |
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| 21:37.34 | petemc | bytejumper: its a 15 line script, im just showing you an example of one method.. |
| 21:37.34 | dutchfish | bytejumper, you could look at the sources from afp & bfd |
| 21:37.52 | zrin | how can I make xfs listen on TCP 7100? |
| 21:38.02 | bytejumper | petemc thanks, and sorry for wasting your time |
| 21:38.29 | petemc | zrin: isnt xfs a filesystem? |
| 21:38.35 | rahul | no |
| 21:38.39 | zrin | petemc: x font server |
| 21:38.40 | rahul | xfs is the x font server |
| 21:38.50 | petemc | oh |
| 21:38.53 | rahul | but why would you need it to listen on some other port? |
| 21:38.54 | petemc | its a filesystem too.. |
| 21:38.58 | zrin | per default it listens just on a socket |
| 21:38.58 | rahul | petemc: yes :) |
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| 21:39.31 | zrin | rahul: not on some other port - on the default tcp port |
| 21:39.58 | zrin | the config file mentioned in the man page does not exist on debian (etch) !? |
| 21:40.14 | rahul | oh hrm |
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| 21:40.24 | rahul | I don't use xfs any more, so I dunno |
| 21:41.06 | zrin | ... furthermore, there is a only a config option to _disable_ listening on tcp |
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| 21:42.29 | zrin | oh, I've found it: it is in /etc/X11/fs/config |
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| 22:04.51 | sobersabre | hi. how far from (200000/(12.5*3600)) ~ 4.5 hours will take to transfer 200GB over 100Mb/s network via NFS ? |
| 22:04.51 | schme | Heya. Why is SLIME in non-free? |
| 22:04.57 | sobersabre | is this the fastest way ? |
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| 22:05.24 | GhostlyDeath | How do I reinstall GRUB? |
| 22:05.38 | sobersabre | dpkg-reconfigure grub ... |
| 22:05.47 | sobersabre | but edit menu.lst properly, of course. |
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| 22:06.01 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using a Live CD |
| 22:06.03 | sobersabre | you can just "install" it: grub-install |
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| 22:06.11 | sobersabre | with the proper flags... |
| 22:06.15 | Pobega | sobersabre: 200 gigabytes = 1,638,400 megabits, therefore 1,639,400/100 16,394 seconds approxamitely. |
| 22:06.18 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to get it to make it boot from /dev/sda3? |
| 22:06.46 | sobersabre | Pobega, let's talk in hours.... |
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| 22:06.49 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Bootloaders are installed in the master boot record for the disk as far as I know, not a partition. |
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| 22:07.04 | sobersabre | and there's some NFS inefficiencies. so it should be some more than the ideal |
| 22:07.09 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: I know but I want it to look in /dev/sda3 for /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:07.11 | Pobega | (16,294/60)/60 |
| 22:07.12 | sobersabre | the Q. is how much "more" ? |
| 22:07.24 | Pobega | 4 hours. |
| 22:07.25 | nivanson | GhostlyDeath: chroot into your normal install and run grub-install |
| 22:07.26 | sobersabre | Pobega, so what's your final number ? |
| 22:07.40 | sobersabre | Pobega, are you using python with integers ? :) |
| 22:07.52 | GhostlyDeath | nivanson: I can't get into my normal install since GRUB gives me error 22 |
| 22:07.55 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Oh, I'm not sure how that works. I've never missed with more than one partition |
| 22:08.00 | Pobega | sobersabre: Yeah, so it isn't exact. |
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| 22:08.16 | sobersabre | Pobega, ... and have you referred to my question too ? |
| 22:08.26 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:08.33 | kussik_ | can someone here please help me fix my resolution in debian? |
| 22:08.42 | Pobega | I get the same answer in bc, but I've never really worked with any terminal calculators. |
| 22:08.46 | sobersabre | kussik_, what is your resolution ? |
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| 22:09.01 | GhostlyDeath | kussik_: You getting 1024x768 when you should have 1280x800 for example? |
| 22:09.15 | kussik_ | 640*480 |
| 22:09.18 | GhostlyDeath | o_O |
| 22:09.21 | sobersabre | Pobega, are you a bot, or you're simply ignoring what I WAS asking... |
| 22:09.22 | sobersabre | ? |
| 22:09.33 | sobersabre | kussik_, and what do you want it to be ? |
| 22:09.33 | Pobega | No, I'm not a bot. You were asking how long it would take, right? |
| 22:09.47 | sobersabre | Pobega, ... refer to my question..will ya.. |
| 22:09.47 | kussik_ | 1280*800 |
| 22:10.25 | sobersabre | kussik_, is this local display ( laptop ) or an external one ? |
| 22:10.28 | Pobega | 18:06 < sobersabre> hi. how far from (200000/(12.5*3600)) ~ 4.5 hours will take to transfer 200GB over 100Mb/s network via NFS ? |
| 22:10.34 | GhostlyDeath | "apt-get grub-installer" correct? |
| 22:10.44 | Pobega | I was reffering to that. |
| 22:10.50 | sobersabre | Pobega, so the Q. was "how far from 4.5 hours" ... right ? |
| 22:10.50 | kussik_ | external |
| 22:10.59 | sobersabre | not how much will it take theoretically... |
| 22:11.02 | Pobega | .5 hours |
| 22:11.05 | kussik_ | do i need to install a linux driver for my graphics card? |
| 22:11.19 | sobersabre | kussik_, to get the resolution - NO |
| 22:12.31 | kussik_ | i mean to change it |
| 22:12.31 | Pobega | I did it again in Python with floating points, and I got the same answer. |
| 22:12.31 | sobersabre | kussik_, do you have the manual of the display ? |
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| 22:12.32 | kussik_ | cause when i do xrandr it only shows 640*480 |
| 22:12.32 | sobersabre | Pobega, as you should know practical transfer is always longer. I wondered how MUCH longer. |
| 22:12.32 | sobersabre | that was the Q. |
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| 22:12.33 | Pobega | Ah. I thought you were just asking connection-wise. |
| 22:12.33 | Pobega | I've never done NFS stuff, never had the need to. |
| 22:12.33 | sobersabre | and there was another question: is this the fastest way ? |
| 22:12.35 | kussik_ | so how do i change it? |
| 22:12.44 | sobersabre | I don't want to kill all activity on the net during this backup. |
| 22:12.46 | Pobega | Well, what is the situation? |
| 22:12.55 | Pobega | Beyond "Transferring over NFS" |
| 22:12.57 | sobersabre | kussik_, do you have the manual or not ? |
| 22:13.01 | kussik_ | no |
| 22:13.12 | sobersabre | well, lookup the internet. |
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| 22:13.18 | sobersabre | and find your display's specs |
| 22:13.21 | sobersabre | or manual |
| 22:13.24 | sobersabre | kussik_, ok ? |
| 22:13.30 | kussik_ | k |
| 22:13.31 | GhostlyDeath | how do I use grub-install? |
| 22:13.43 | Ezep | hi |
| 22:13.46 | mfrisch | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:13.50 | kussik_ | what do u mean my display specs?sry |
| 22:13.51 | sobersabre | kussik_, then come back or simply follow Debian manual's instructions on how to setup X |
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| 22:14.15 | GhostlyDeath | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 22:14.16 | sobersabre | kussik_, each display has special specs for horizontal/vertical refresh rates for misc. modes of operation |
| 22:14.22 | Ezep | how to uninstall a deb package? |
| 22:14.33 | kussik_ | so what do i look up? |
| 22:14.37 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: you got to use the /dev/ for the disk you want |
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| 22:14.42 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: man grub-install, sorry to point you to a man page but read through it first, and if you still have trouble ask again. |
| 22:14.44 | sobersabre | Ezep, there's more than one way to skin that cat |
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| 22:14.50 | GhostlyDeath | mfrisch: I did do /dev/ |
| 22:14.52 | Pobega | Usually man pages solve everything though :) |
| 22:15.00 | sobersabre | kussik_, your monitor's specs+manual |
| 22:15.07 | kussik_ | k |
| 22:15.08 | bzed | Ezep: aptitude remove packagename for example. |
| 22:15.12 | kussik_ | got it |
| 22:15.14 | sobersabre | in there you'll find what the horiz/vert. refresh rates are |
| 22:15.15 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: no...whats the disk hda sda hdb ? |
| 22:15.16 | bzed | !tell Ezep about refcard |
| 22:15.26 | capiira | specs = specifications :) |
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| 22:15.29 | GhostlyDeath | I want it to boot from /dev/sda3 |
| 22:15.35 | GhostlyDeath | Which will be the new root |
| 22:15.57 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: is this a custom kernel? |
| 22:16.02 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 22:16.04 | GhostlyDeath | debian etch |
| 22:16.27 | Ezep | sorry i don t understand |
| 22:16.46 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: I don't think you need to specify the partition, just the device. |
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| 22:16.55 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: run update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda for installation in the mbr sda3 for the partition |
| 22:17.02 | sobersabre | Ezep, there is at least 1 million places where it is explained how to deinstall debian packages... |
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| 22:17.20 | sobersabre | all you have to do is... google it up, I guess. |
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| 22:17.39 | Ezep | sorry...i think that maybe this is one of the 1 millon... |
| 22:17.46 | GhostlyDeath | mfrisch: Will that work from a LIVE cd? |
| 22:17.48 | Pobega | apt-get remove, dpkg -r |
| 22:17.53 | Ezep | yes you are right |
| 22:17.55 | Pobega | Ezep: Read apt-get and dpkg man pages. |
| 22:18.08 | sobersabre | Ezep, there's a great resource in here: |
| 22:18.13 | Snuggles | So, I'm trying to install Japanese language support in Debian, but I need to edit the .xsession file. Where exactly is .xsession? |
| 22:18.29 | Pobega | Snuggles: ~/.xsession |
| 22:18.30 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: uhm no. are you chrooting correctly binding dev ? |
| 22:18.49 | GhostlyDeath | I'm not chrooting anything |
| 22:18.50 | Pobega | Snuggles: If the file doesn't exist you'll have to create it. |
| 22:18.54 | orty0910 | hi somebody know , how can i switch a tvout from a atiradeon from pal too ntsc |
| 22:19.17 | Pobega | sobersabre: Does the dpkg bot have a macro for removing software? |
| 22:19.19 | Pobega | !apt-get |
| 22:19.20 | dpkg | [apt-get] "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 22:19.21 | Snuggles | Hmm..so .xsession isn't really necessary unless you're configuring odd things then? |
| 22:19.24 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: hows it suppose to work magically? You just messed up grub right? |
| 22:19.25 | sobersabre | Ezep, what is your mother tongue ? |
| 22:19.34 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 22:19.35 | Ezep | what? |
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| 22:19.46 | Pobega | Snuggles: xsession is nessecary if you're using a window manager and not a desktop environment, usually. |
| 22:19.47 | GhostlyDeath | I change my drive configyration |
| 22:19.50 | GhostlyDeath | and / got moved |
| 22:19.56 | Snuggles | Hmm, I see. |
| 22:19.57 | Pobega | xsession is loaded when you run a "Default" session. |
| 22:20.01 | GhostlyDeath | and it doens't boot from the right parition |
| 22:20.03 | Pobega | For example, one could be just: |
| 22:20.06 | sobersabre | I want to give you a link to the main debian documentation. it explains nicely how to do what you need. |
| 22:20.10 | Pobega | "exec /usr/bin/wmaker" |
| 22:20.11 | sobersabre | in most situations... |
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| 22:20.15 | Pobega | Which starts Window Maker. |
| 22:20.19 | sobersabre | 99.9% actually |
| 22:20.26 | Ezep | sobersabre: thanks ;) |
| 22:20.31 | Pobega | You can put programs before that, like for example |
| 22:20.34 | sobersabre | Ezep, so what's your mother tongue ? |
| 22:20.36 | Pobega | gsynaptics-init --sm-disable |
| 22:20.44 | Pobega | Which is for touchpads. |
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| 22:20.49 | Ezep | sobersabre: mother tonge? |
| 22:20.53 | sobersabre | you know what... here's the root, browse to your favourite lang... |
| 22:20.55 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: I forget the dpkg (bot) info for chrooting and installing grub..but the etch installer has the tools to do it pretty easy. |
| 22:21.05 | Ezep | sobersabre: ah spanish |
| 22:21.10 | Pobega | !grub-install |
| 22:21.10 | dpkg | See all that crap in grub-install8 Ignore it. zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instead. |
| 22:21.12 | GhostlyDeath | I tried the etch installer but the grub-install failed |
| 22:21.13 | Snuggles | Hmm, interesting. |
| 22:21.17 | sobersabre | http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
| 22:21.27 | Ezep | sobersabre: i might install synaptic |
| 22:21.37 | sobersabre | Ezep, you might. |
| 22:21.41 | Pobega | Ezep: Synaptic is easy if you're afraid of the command line. |
| 22:22.09 | sobersabre | Ezep, but all in all, you don't have to be afraid of the command line. |
| 22:22.10 | Pobega | My sister uses Synaptic on a regular basis, and she's computer illiterate ("What's a /dev/sda2?") |
| 22:22.16 | capiira | or adept for kde |
| 22:22.27 | Ezep | sobersabre and Pobega: no im not afraid, i like using it |
| 22:22.28 | Snuggles | When is .xsession run anyways? Do you have to configure X to run .xsession and not, for instance, gnome or kde? Or am I not conceptualizing it right? |
| 22:22.31 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: that happened to me recently I was messing with my partition table mad. |
| 22:22.32 | Pobega | I've heard of Adept having troubles, I'd advise using Synaptic over Adept. |
| 22:22.41 | Pobega | .xsession is run as a session, Snuggles. |
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| 22:23.21 | sobersabre | hmm... I wonder: is there something like norton ghost, but free as "no $" ? |
| 22:23.36 | sobersabre | ( I understand this is an OT ) |
| 22:23.39 | capiira | dd |
| 22:23.49 | sobersabre | capiira, you cannot do this with windows. |
| 22:23.53 | Ezep | sobersabre: and where to find libGLU.so.1 |
| 22:23.53 | Snuggles | Hmm..what do you mean by session? Sorry for the Q's, it's just a bit different than what I'm used to. |
| 22:24.02 | capiira | dd ? |
| 22:24.07 | capiira | there is dd for win |
| 22:24.12 | intruder | hi, everybody |
| 22:24.16 | capiira | exist |
| 22:24.20 | gravity | adept? Do people use that in Debian? |
| 22:24.39 | capiira | i do since im on kde |
| 22:24.43 | mfrisch | gravity: you can but I find it too 'doz like |
| 22:24.44 | sobersabre | capiira, I want to be able to clone windows disks, remotely, so I need not a local tool, but a middlware |
| 22:24.56 | Pobega | Snuggles: Let me explain, and then I have to go eat dinner. |
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| 22:25.03 | bzed | sobersabre: partimage |
| 22:25.08 | Snuggles | Okay Pobega :) Thanks! |
| 22:25.10 | sobersabre | bzed, thanks! |
| 22:25.16 | sobersabre | I'll read on it. |
| 22:25.20 | Pobega | Snuggles: gnome-session starts up GNOME. It is what is run by default in GDM (GNOME's login manager) |
| 22:25.25 | sobersabre | is there also something ... like IBM Director ? |
| 22:25.27 | anson | i'm trying to fix a printing issue with my wifes computer. if she prints text files (html, odt, etc) the printer warms up and begins printing; but if she prints a 2.5MB tif file, it takes a _long_ time to start printing. we're using a samsung ml-2250 laser printer on a 10Mb jetdirect printserver, using cups on etch. |
| 22:25.27 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:25.28 | bzed | sobersabre: you're welcome |
| 22:25.29 | Pobega | kde-start is a KDE session, it runs KDE. |
| 22:25.34 | Snuggles | Okay. |
| 22:25.37 | Pobega | There is something called a "Default session", which is the xsession file. |
| 22:25.38 | Ezep | Pobega: and where to find libGLU.so.1 |
| 22:25.40 | bzed | sobersabre: tell me what IBM director is |
| 22:25.41 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone: http://www.pastebin.ca/420159 |
| 22:25.52 | Pobega | Ezep: No idea. updatedb and locate libGLU ? |
| 22:25.55 | Pobega | Anyway |
| 22:26.01 | Pobega | The xsession file is like, an executable file. |
| 22:26.06 | Pobega | For example, I'll paste mine. |
| 22:26.14 | Ezep | Pobega: i do ir :( thanks |
| 22:26.29 | GhostlyDeath | mfrisch: would that work? |
| 22:26.29 | Pobega | http://rafb.net/p/qfTgjU27.html |
| 22:26.35 | gravity | Ezep: What are you trying to do? libglu1 has libglu |
| 22:26.51 | Kobaz | anyone know how to force a uuid for a physical volume in an lvm |
| 22:27.00 | Pobega | First I start up all of the programs I need. gnome-keyring-daemon, xmms2, gnome-screensaver, etc. |
| 22:27.06 | Pobega | The & means to run it in the background. |
| 22:27.06 | bzed | sobersabre: you want to monitor your hardware? wait until I'm done with the packaging of zenoss :P or use nagios |
| 22:27.07 | Ezep | gravity: i want this lib for a game |
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| 22:27.21 | sobersabre | bzed, what it does is manage/monitors systems |
| 22:27.31 | Pobega | The final line is for running the Window-Manager, so it could be gnome-session for GNOME or wmaker for Window Maker, fluxbox for Fluxbox or kde-start for KDE. |
| 22:27.37 | sobersabre | it allows both deployment of machines configuration, and ... users etc. |
| 22:28.02 | sobersabre | it also has support for the servers' stuff like service processors/BMC networks |
| 22:28.05 | GhostlyDeath | How do you delet files? |
| 22:28.06 | bzed | sobersabre: apt-cache show dtc |
| 22:28.17 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: too many boots uhm update-grub should fix that. You really should not need to but check out the values in /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 22:28.18 | sobersabre | bzed, :) you are the best. |
| 22:28.22 | bzed | sobersabre: apt-cache show gosa |
| 22:28.26 | Snuggles | Hmm okay. So if xsession is executed, you would need to execute gnome or kde within the script, otherwise you're simply given a terminal? |
| 22:28.31 | GhostlyDeath | Is it possible to make /2/boot be /boot? |
| 22:28.31 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: yo yo |
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| 22:28.41 | bzed | sobersabre: and... to monitor stuff.. wait until I've packaged http://www.zenoss.com/ |
| 22:28.43 | enouf | figured out my mistake right afetr you left |
| 22:28.46 | Pobega | At the end of the script, yes. And you're not given a terminal, you're given a blank screen if you don't :) |
| 22:28.58 | Snuggles | Oo, that's bad. |
| 22:29.09 | Snuggles | So if you mess up xsession, then...doom? |
| 22:29.17 | Pobega | Not really. |
| 22:29.19 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: look at the file. thats what chroot is for. |
| 22:29.25 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: cleaned it all up for ya ;-) |
| 22:29.26 | Pobega | Go into TTY1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and edit from there :) |
| 22:29.28 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: As root: mkdir /mnt/point || mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point || mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev || mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc || chroot /mnt/point || grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR) |
| 22:29.36 | sobersabre | bzed, I've put my eye on zenoss, I |
| 22:29.38 | Snuggles | Ahh okay. |
| 22:29.43 | sobersabre | am familiar with it abit. |
| 22:29.47 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: tested it myself ;-) |
| 22:29.48 | sobersabre | there's also nagios |
| 22:29.52 | Kobaz | never mind, yay |
| 22:30.03 | sobersabre | we're using it, but I am not controlling it. |
| 22:30.10 | bzed | sobersabre: zenoss is able to use the nagios plugins. but configuring nagios is pain in the ass |
| 22:30.11 | mfrisch | enouf: thank you ;-) |
| 22:30.13 | sobersabre | and ... sysadmins are usually control-freaks |
| 22:30.15 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/blah = /dev/sda#? |
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| 22:30.29 | panicou | hello |
| 22:30.30 | Snuggles | So, if .xsession exists, Debian automatically executes that session? Or do you have to edit some other script for that? |
| 22:30.33 | bzed | sobersabre: but packaging zenoss is pain in the ass, too |
| 22:30.34 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: right .. for you /dev/sda3 |
| 22:30.51 | sobersabre | Snuggles, there are 2 files you should be aware of: |
| 22:30.53 | Pobega | Snuggles: Usually in your DM. Which do you have installed, gdm/xdm/kdm/wdm? |
| 22:30.56 | sobersabre | ~/.xsession |
| 22:30.57 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 22:30.57 | sobersabre | and |
| 22:30.57 | panicou | i accitemtly erased /etc/mysql and whenever i try to reinstall mysql-server it fails |
| 22:31.00 | panicou | what can i do ? |
| 22:31.02 | sobersabre | ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:31.03 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 22:31.03 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: sda for mbr or sda3 for the partition ( you would need a mbr then) |
| 22:31.18 | enouf | it's awkward to right /dev/{s|h}dNN <-- ain't that fugly? |
| 22:31.41 | GhostlyDeath | chroot /mnt/point returns chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 22:31.50 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: and <fstype> == ext3 for you |
| 22:31.53 | Pobega | Anyway, like I said Snuggles, I'm off to have dinner. Good luck with it :) |
| 22:32.00 | Pobega | man xsession |
| 22:32.01 | bzed | sobersabre: mainly because they're missing a lot of copyright notices and licenses. to speak the truth imho their whole package is not distributable at all, neither form debian nor from zenoss |
| 22:32.01 | Snuggles | Thanks :) Have a good dinner. |
| 22:32.14 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: you using amd on the disk and a i386 livecd? |
| 22:32.15 | sobersabre | bzed, you've suggested to search for dtc |
| 22:32.21 | sobersabre | I've not found anything/. |
| 22:32.26 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you dd it wrong .. I just did it .. try again .. make sure you start with no mount poinhts exisiting in your chroot env |
| 22:32.29 | bzed | sobersabre: are you on sarge? |
| 22:32.31 | sobersabre | actuallyt you've suggested to apt-cache show it. |
| 22:32.35 | sobersabre | no, etch |
| 22:32.38 | panicou | i accitemtly erased /etc/mysql and whenever i try to reinstall mysql-server it fails |
| 22:32.43 | panicou | what can i do ? |
| 22:32.46 | sobersabre | moment, lemme access a sarge box |
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| 22:32.52 | bzed | sobersabre: ah, it's in unstable only |
| 22:33.00 | bzed | sobersabre: http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html |
| 22:33.19 | GhostlyDeath | amd64 for the disk and i386 liveCD |
| 22:33.19 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 22:33.25 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: IOW .. umount -f /mnt/point, before eevn attempting, if you had previously mounted anything ther |
| 22:33.27 | GhostlyDeath | umount -a killed eth |
| 22:33.39 | GhostlyDeath | not mounted |
| 22:33.50 | bzed | sobersabre: and there's gosa: http://www.gosa-project.org/ (in case you want to use gosa and want to add code - feel free to contact me, I have svn access) |
| 22:35.16 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I think /bin/bash is the problem |
| 22:35.44 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: was that a yes for me? |
| 22:35.47 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: nope |
| 22:35.56 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: I ran into that many times last night |
| 22:36.15 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: just start form scratch the way I said .. I can post it again if/when you return |
| 22:36.59 | rainabba | Trying to ./configure Vbox and getting "bcc (variable BCC) not found". What package do I need? |
| 22:37.28 | mfrisch | enouf: I would try with a sysrescue iso and it would do that but I switched to ubuntu and it worked fine |
| 22:38.00 | mfrisch | enouf: did I (or it) just bork the chroot? |
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| 22:38.17 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:38.30 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with iceape: The application 'Gecko' lost its connection to the display :0.0; |
| 22:38.30 | Mazingaro | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed |
| 22:38.30 | Mazingaro | the application. |
| 22:38.39 | sobersabre | bzed, I'm not into DTC, imho it is a bit not what I need. |
| 22:38.44 | jelly-ho | !vbox |
| 22:38.50 | intruder | is this supposed to prevent a webcam from working ? : /dev/video0 [v4l2]: no overlay support |
| 22:38.59 | sobersabre | I need something to control stuff via e.g. PXE boot |
| 22:39.19 | rainabba | jelly-ho: Ty, I keep forgetting about dpkg triggers |
| 22:39.38 | bzed | sobersabre: have a look into gosa then |
| 22:39.39 | GhostlyDeath | wait.. |
| 22:39.51 | sobersabre | and I'd like to run some agent on the nodes, so I can reboot any host when I want via that agent, and push it some other OS etc. |
| 22:39.55 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: can I "chroot /mnt/point grub-install /dev/sda3"? |
| 22:39.57 | sobersabre | I am reading. |
| 22:40.00 | bzed | sobersabre: you can configure PXE boot, FAI and a lot of other stuff with it, and manage your users with ldap |
| 22:40.00 | sobersabre | thanks, man |
| 22:40.03 | GhostlyDeath | since it runs a command as a new root/ |
| 22:40.09 | GhostlyDeath | temporarily? |
| 22:40.13 | jelly-home | rainabba: well, that factiod doesn't exist |
| 22:40.33 | rainabba | jelly-ho: VirtualBox does, but it's not useful (at least not at the moment for my question) |
| 22:40.35 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: I just did that exact prodcudre again form start to finish here |
| 22:40.37 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.50 | bzed | sobersabre: you can reboot and reinstall host with different profiles on keypress. afaik there is or there will be support for automatic installations of windows, too |
| 22:40.59 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i even created a /mnt/point and used that instead of my usual /mnt/p3 place |
| 22:41.02 | rainabba | bzed: Oh great and knowledgable one...... Did you catch my last question? |
| 22:41.23 | GhostlyDeath | chroot: cannot run command `grub-install': Exec format error |
| 22:41.23 | GhostlyDeath | "chroot: cannot run command `grub-install': Exec format error" |
| 22:41.26 | GhostlyDeath | oops |
| 22:41.26 | bzed | rainabba: paste the output in a pastebin? |
| 22:41.34 | Ezep | could i copy a package on a ploppy? |
| 22:41.39 | Ezep | sorry floppy |
| 22:41.45 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: I'm telling you start again // you showed up here already today with bad mounts or something .. by the tiome I got to you |
| 22:41.46 | GhostlyDeath | lol ploppy |
| 22:41.55 | GhostlyDeath | I'll reboot |
| 22:42.11 | GhostlyDeath | if the same thing happens, do you think it would be my LiveCD? |
| 22:42.14 | bzed | rainabba: probably they really mean bcc, apt-get install bcc would help then. but what the hell are they doing with a 16bit compiler? |
| 22:42.19 | enouf | hehe .. A String-of-Polop-onies :-P |
| 22:42.32 | GhostlyDeath | maybe download one without GNOME or KDE? |
| 22:42.34 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: very doubtful |
| 22:42.36 | Ezep | sorry hey! |
| 22:42.38 | rainabba | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/420175 |
| 22:42.38 | jelly-home | building fake bioses? |
| 22:42.38 | Ezep | :P |
| 22:42.39 | nivanson | GhostlyDeath: your live cd is probably fine. |
| 22:42.43 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 22:42.54 | bzed | rainabba: aaah yeah., apt-get install bcc, they want to build a bios, right as jelly-home stated |
| 22:42.58 | enouf | Ezep: <jk> .. I love jackie Gleason on the honeymooners |
| 22:43.08 | jelly-home | bzed, rainabba: maybe they stole something from openbios |
| 22:43.20 | enouf | Ezep: you'd have to know my reference for itto be funny ;-) |
| 22:43.21 | rainabba | jelly-home: Didn't see your comment about the bios |
| 22:43.23 | bzed | jelly-home: or bochs? |
| 22:43.23 | Ezep | enouf: :P |
| 22:43.28 | enouf | to you ;-) |
| 22:43.29 | jelly-home | s/stole/reused code/ |
| 22:43.34 | sobersabre | bzed, windows support is a must :(... I don't see GOSA supports it. |
| 22:43.38 | enouf | plagiarized! |
| 22:43.47 | sobersabre | or maybe i should rtfm FAI stuff first |
| 22:43.48 | Ezep | enouf: haha |
| 22:44.04 | jelly-home | well... their source is gpl too, so it's all good and well |
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| 22:44.58 | cain-- | hey all |
| 22:45.02 | Snuggles | So.. is .xinitrc supposed to be in ~/ ? |
| 22:45.17 | cain-- | i have a pentium mmx, which debian release is the right one? |
| 22:45.28 | rainabba | There a better way to do: apt-get install libxalan110-dev |
| 22:45.30 | jelly-home | cain--: i386 |
| 22:45.30 | rainabba | ? |
| 22:45.44 | cain-- | thx |
| 22:45.49 | rainabba | I installed xalan fine (which isn't on the apt-cache list), but now I need the headers |
| 22:46.01 | rainabba | Oops, it is. |
| 22:46.22 | rainabba | Still though, no xalan-dev |
| 22:47.08 | Ezep | a lot of people here! |
| 22:47.11 | jelly-home | there are libxalanXXX-dev though |
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| 22:47.43 | jelly-home | !info libxalan-dev etch |
| 22:47.50 | jelly-home | meh |
| 22:48.04 | rainabba | jelly-home; I see those, just wondered if there wasn't a more elegant package name. I'm realizing there are "shortcuts" I'm not aware of. |
| 22:48.07 | bzed | sobersabre: there's unfortunately not much documentation on gosa avaiable, the people who're using it are coding new stuff most of the time. gonicus has deployed it in Munich for example |
| 22:48.26 | Snuggles | ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:48.27 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
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| 22:48.35 | jelly-home | rainabba: package names can and will be ugly |
| 22:48.39 | Snuggles | Hmm.. |
| 22:48.42 | bzed | sobersabre: often a good way to find things out is to read the svn ;) |
| 22:49.15 | bzed | sobersabre: i Know it was planned to integrate support for windows, but I have no clue if it was done yet. |
| 22:49.32 | bzed | sobersabre: you could ask on the gosa-devel list |
| 22:49.44 | bzed | sobersabre: if there's really no FM ;) |
| 22:50.29 | cain-- | can you post a link which release i have to download for my pentium mmx. i have a fast internet connection available over ethernet |
| 22:50.30 | rainabba | So how does this work? Package "SDL" and "lSDL" don't exist, but I got "SDL not found at -lSDL -lSDLmain -I/usr/include/SDL or SDL headers not found" |
| 22:50.57 | cain-- | so i just need the netinstall release |
| 22:51.14 | mfrisch | cain--: yes |
| 22:51.59 | cain-- | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso <<< this one? |
| 22:52.11 | jelly-home | looks about right |
| 22:52.17 | cain-- | thanks |
| 22:52.21 | enouf | mfrisch: wasn't ignoring .. just trying to cleanup a mess i made last night with ghostlyDeath .. anyways .. that should 'splain it ;-) |
| 22:52.21 | Snuggles | ~/.startx |
| 22:52.49 | bzed | rainabba: there's always a -dev package to each library which contains header files and everything else you need to build something against it. you want to install that |
| 22:53.04 | rainabba | I'm starting to find that running the x86_64 kernel is painful. Are there any tangible benefits over running i686 or i386 even? |
| 22:53.16 | bzed | rainabba: it's name would be something liek libsdl.....-dev |
| 22:53.26 | mfrisch | enouf: did I (or it) just bork the chroot? I got the same problem using i386 live on amd-64 machine? |
| 22:53.35 | rainabba | bzed: Ok, started to get that pattern, but not quite. ty |
| 22:53.37 | enouf | mfrisch: though if after he comes back and folows step-by-step and stil gets the error, then it's a faulty something |
| 22:54.06 | enouf | mfrisch: the mounting procedure has to be corret, it's finnicky as all heck |
| 22:54.30 | mfrisch | enouf: not like it use to be ;-) |
| 22:54.36 | enouf | mfrisch: you mean you just tested what I wrote? |
| 22:54.46 | rainabba | bzed: Seems to me that some are just name-dev others are libname-dev. That right? What's the pattern there? |
| 22:54.48 | enouf | mfrisch: not at all ;-) |
| 22:55.06 | sobersabre | thanks all |
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| 22:55.12 | sobersabre | bye bye |
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| 22:55.21 | rahul | !penixstrike amitp |
| 22:55.22 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking amitp to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:55.29 | mfrisch | enouf: I have done it many ways and the way dpkg use to tell..It worked with the ubuntu amd-64 live. |
| 22:55.32 | rahul | ok, you can leave now :) |
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| 22:55.44 | mfrisch | enouf: the way you say it |
| 22:55.48 | enouf | mfrisch: where's the factoid again? |
| 22:55.51 | bzed | rainabba: libname-dev is the name if there's only a library in the package. and it should be the name if there's only a library in the package. somethimes there's a ton of other stuff in the -dev package, then it's called name-dev. |
| 22:56.09 | mfrisch | enouf: I could not remember. |
| 22:56.14 | enouf | heh |
| 22:56.27 | mfrisch | !chroot |
| 22:56.27 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 22:56.34 | archville | Hi. |
| 22:56.41 | rainabba | bzed: Ok.... what's the logic in alsa-source then (breaking the standard) ? |
| 22:56.41 | jelly-home | bzed: there's NEVER only a library in the package, usually there are at least some headers too. ;-) |
| 22:56.55 | mfrisch | !fixing grub |
| 22:56.59 | jelly-home | rainabba: -source are a different thing |
| 22:57.07 | rainabba | Ohh |
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| 22:57.19 | mfrisch | enouf: I don't remember...I just saw it. |
| 22:57.28 | rainabba | Ohh! |
| 22:57.39 | enouf | !fixmbr |
| 22:57.39 | rainabba | -source are to be used with module-assistant right? |
| 22:57.39 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 22:57.46 | enouf | that mfrisch ^^ |
| 22:57.47 | jelly-home | rainabba: right |
| 22:57.48 | enouf | ? |
| 22:57.54 | kurakao | hi |
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| 22:57.57 | mfrisch | enouf: yeah that. |
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| 22:58.39 | enouf | mfrisch: the mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc should be done prior to chroot IINM |
| 22:59.16 | jelly-home | dpkg: bad bot! |
| 22:59.16 | dpkg | :( |
| 22:59.27 | enouf | mfrisch: info is from here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 |
| 22:59.35 | enouf | mfrisch: works the charm ;- |
| 22:59.37 | rainabba | What did dpkg do ? |
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| 22:59.58 | jelly-home | it didn't do what I told it to (privately) |
| 22:59.59 | enouf | mfrisch: i just modified it a bit to my liking for ease of reafding .. and tested it here too |
| 23:00.00 | kurakao | apt |
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| 23:00.24 | rainabba | Haha |
| 23:00.38 | Ezep | what bot? |
| 23:00.46 | mfrisch | enouf: I had better luck doing it that way. I wish I had a guide a couple of weeks ago ;-) |
| 23:00.46 | rainabba | dpkg |
| 23:00.48 | rahul | what's not a bot? |
| 23:00.51 | enouf | mfrisch: every time i mounted /proc prior to chrroting .. i'd get that chrrot error IIRC |
| 23:01.13 | Ezep | he didn t answer me |
| 23:01.15 | enouf | mfrisch: I said that backwards .. ugh! |
| 23:01.52 | enouf | mfrisch: every time i mounted /proc AFTER chrooting .. i'd get that chroot error (/bin/bash) or (Not a Directory) |
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| 23:02.18 | rainabba | So finally ./configure completed; I try make and get "Makefile:21: /header.kmk: No such file or directory" I found header.kmk in /kBuild/header.kmk Whats up? |
| 23:02.24 | enouf | mfrisch: think about it .. how can you bind something somewhere that's no longer in your path at all .. |
| 23:02.44 | mfrisch | enouf: I would mount / then /boot chroot then mount everything and it use to work, but nobody said it was supposed to. |
| 23:02.50 | iwkse | hi all, anybody has an howto for Skystar2? |
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| 23:03.03 | enouf | mfrisch: once you chroot , you no longer get the nicities of having /dev/ and /proc right there to --bind anywhere anymore |
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| 23:03.39 | enouf | mfrisch: Ahh.. see ..what i wrote nmay need some adjustment to accomodate a separate /boot partition |
| 23:04.13 | enouf | ghostlydeath died? .. or.. |
| 23:04.13 | kurakao | what |
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| 23:04.17 | mfrisch | enouf: I was trying to tell him he had to many boots it was /boot/boot or something. |
| 23:04.19 | enouf | who? |
| 23:04.41 | enouf | mfrisch: ouch .. a RH/FC leftover .. |
| 23:04.43 | rahul | boot boot boot schmorgen borgen |
| 23:04.57 | mfrisch | enouf: but update-grub should have fixed that |
| 23:05.17 | enouf | boot > kick {echo -ouch!} ; mount ; scrub :-) |
| 23:05.34 | enouf | mfrisch: update-grub should fixx the world .. lol |
| 23:05.36 | rainabba | bzed: So finally ./configure completed; I try make and get "Makefile:21: /header.kmk: No such file or directory" I found header.kmk in /kBuild/header.kmk Whats up? |
| 23:05.43 | enouf | !fix mfrisch |
| 23:05.46 | Ezep | hi..anyone can give me a link how to deinstall apt packages |
| 23:05.57 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:06.03 | rainabba | Ezep: apt-get remove ? |
| 23:06.17 | Ezep | rainabba: yes that :) |
| 23:06.19 | enouf | Ezep: apt-get --purge remove <pkgname> |
| 23:06.29 | Ezep | oh thanks |
| 23:06.33 | enouf | !tell Ezep -about apt howto |
| 23:06.34 | rahul | although using aptitude for that will be better... |
| 23:06.46 | bzed | rainabba: no clue, not my sources :P |
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| 23:07.48 | Ezep | enouf: you can give dpkg a command? |
| 23:07.52 | Ezep | wow... |
| 23:08.07 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 23:08.41 | jelly-home | ¡es! |
| 23:09.37 | enouf | Ezep: wait till you see the Debian Reference ;-) |
| 23:09.40 | Ronin | think you just confused it there jelly-home :) |
| 23:09.44 | enouf | you say WoW now .. heh |
| 23:10.10 | Ezep | WOw....not WOW |
| 23:10.14 | Ezep | :P |
| 23:10.35 | Pobega | wOw |
| 23:10.45 | enouf | Ezep: what the F happened earlier .. you said "there's a lot of people in here" .. and the you split, like a banana .. wtf? |
| 23:11.03 | enouf | !bananasmite Ezep |
| 23:11.16 | enouf | ok .. well .. then |
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| 23:12.02 | GhostlyDeath | I DID IT |
| 23:12.02 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 23:12.05 | enouf | !she's dead jim |
| 23:12.07 | GhostlyDeath | I just did wahtever |
| 23:12.11 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 23:12.17 | enouf | what? |
| 23:12.17 | Ezep | ! |
| 23:12.21 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: What did you do? I missed something here. |
| 23:12.39 | GhostlyDeath | I tested GRUB and it worked |
| 23:12.44 | GhostlyDeath | but it couldn't boot |
| 23:12.52 | GhostlyDeath | Partitions /dev/sda4 didn't exist |
| 23:12.56 | enouf | not a very good test |
| 23:12.58 | GhostlyDeath | so I edited the menu.lst |
| 23:13.00 | GhostlyDeath | and got it working |
| 23:13.08 | GhostlyDeath | But I never restored home so... |
| 23:13.08 | Pobega | Sweet, congrats :) |
| 23:13.19 | Pobega | /etc/fstab for restoring home, has nothign to do with GRUB. |
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| 23:13.22 | GhostlyDeath | How do I set all things in thre owned by me? |
| 23:13.25 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: no no no .. gpo back and break it! .. i must make sure my way works correctly! .. :-P |
| 23:13.31 | GhostlyDeath | EVerything is owned by root |
| 23:13.34 | Pobega | /dev/sda3 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 23:13.39 | Pobega | There's my entry for /home |
| 23:13.40 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: my way works |
| 23:13.42 | Pobega | Uhh...Hmm... |
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| 23:13.48 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/sda1 is /home |
| 23:13.50 | Pobega | Everything as in what? |
| 23:13.56 | schoppenhauer | helo. sorry for the stupid question, but is software which is provided unter the MIT-License in "free" or "non-free"? |
| 23:13.57 | Pobega | (So change my drive number?) |
| 23:14.01 | GhostlyDeath | EVERYTHING |
| 23:14.01 | GhostlyDeath | *.* as they say in windows |
| 23:14.10 | Pobega | Hmm... |
| 23:14.27 | Pobega | I'm not sure. |
| 23:14.27 | GhostlyDeath | everything in and including /home/steven should be part of uid 100 or 1000 and my group |
| 23:14.35 | Pobega | Try mounting /dev/sda1 and see if the permissions are the same. |
| 23:14.35 | rahul | *.* is not everything in linux, tho |
| 23:14.46 | Ezep | enouf: sorry i don t speak english so good :P |
| 23:14.48 | Pobega | * is everything in Linux, or /* |
| 23:14.48 | rahul | so be careful with using that :) |
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| 23:15.01 | Ezep | enouf: i cannot understand all your jokes haha |
| 23:15.02 | GhostlyDeath | But right clickin every file will take too long! |
| 23:15.19 | Pobega | ls -l <file or directory> ? |
| 23:15.20 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: huh? |
| 23:15.25 | GhostlyDeath | Can't I set all files and subfolders to be owned my one user and group? |
| 23:15.29 | Pobega | Learn to use the terminal, it's powerful if you take the time to learn it. |
| 23:15.35 | Pobega | chown / chmod |
| 23:15.39 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: yes, but not with *.* |
| 23:15.39 | Pobega | So |
| 23:15.40 | schoppenhauer | does anybody know this? |
| 23:15.44 | ofer0 | chmod 777 / |
| 23:15.48 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: chown has a recursive option |
| 23:15.51 | Pobega | chown -R steven:steven /home/steven |
| 23:15.53 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: don't do it on / ! |
| 23:16.00 | Pobega | chmod -R 777 /home/steven |
| 23:16.07 | Pobega | DO NOT do it on /, that will be a horrible thing to do. |
| 23:16.16 | cafuego_ | Pobega: Are you insane? |
| 23:16.21 | Pobega | 770* |
| 23:16.32 | cafuego_ | No, ug+rwX |
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| 23:16.34 | cafuego_ | not 770 |
| 23:16.34 | GhostlyDeath | Pobega: that did noting it seems |
| 23:16.49 | rahul | you guys are on crack |
| 23:16.51 | mfrisch | <ofer0> chmod 777 / crazy |
| 23:16.58 | GhostlyDeath | wait it did |
| 23:17.03 | Pobega | cafuego_: I've never really done too much chmod work, so I'm stupid at it. :( |
| 23:17.10 | GhostlyDeath | yay brb |
| 23:17.20 | cafuego_ | Setting the homedir and everything in it to be executable is not a good idea. |
| 23:17.25 | Ezep | anyone spanish heere? |
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| 23:17.27 | cafuego_ | Let alone wold writable. |
| 23:17.34 | Pobega | What does ug_rwX do? |
| 23:18.01 | Pobega | 770 isn't world writable, 0 is for "Others" and from chown it would be owned by steven:steven. |
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| 23:18.10 | Pobega | s/_/+ |
| 23:18.12 | PrMoriarty | hello |
| 23:18.13 | abrotman | it's 'o' .. not '0' |
| 23:18.13 | cafuego_ | user and group readable and writeable. and executable for user/group *if* the x bit is set already |
| 23:18.16 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 23:18.24 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 23:18.24 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 23:18.28 | GhostlyDeath | owner and root can't write! |
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| 23:18.36 | devin_ | How can i make Krusader my default file manager for KDE> |
| 23:18.55 | Pobega | Oh wow, thanks cafuego_. I've never taken the time to learn non-numeric chmodding |
| 23:19.03 | Pobega | But that's pretty cool. I'll use it from now on :) |
| 23:19.04 | GhostlyDeath | How do I do the same thing but for file permissions? |
| 23:19.05 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: quite listening to these fools |
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| 23:19.12 | cafuego_ | GhostlyDeath: chown user:user /hom/user -R; chmod u+rwX,g+rX,o-rwx /home/user -R |
| 23:19.20 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: chmod IS file permissions. |
| 23:19.23 | Ezep | !kill all :p |
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| 23:19.52 | Ezep | !kill enouf |
| 23:19.53 | cafuego_ | GhostlyDeath: That makes the user the owner, allows the owner to read/write, the group to read and nobody else do anything. |
| 23:19.55 | enouf | !fixgrub |
| 23:19.56 | dpkg | it has been said that fixgrub is mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc |
| 23:20.01 | abrotman | Ezep: leave the bot alone please |
| 23:20.03 | enouf | wtf dpkg |
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| 23:20.09 | Ezep | ok sorry |
| 23:20.20 | enouf | !fix Ezep |
| 23:20.21 | hwichmann | hi all. How do I update my Debian system? |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | update to what ? |
| 23:20.40 | hwichmann | update all packages |
| 23:20.41 | Pobega | hwichmann: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 23:20.48 | Ezep | enouf: :p |
| 23:20.52 | hwichmann | Pobega: thanks, you're a star |
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| 23:21.06 | enouf | !fix grub |
| 23:21.11 | enouf | !fixgrub |
| 23:21.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fixgrub is grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR) |
| 23:21.13 | abrotman | enouf: wtf are you looking for? |
| 23:21.16 | Pobega | hwichmann: If you're upgrading from one release to another or haven't updated in a long time, I would do apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade though. |
| 23:21.35 | Dreamlinux | hi.., dudes.. |
| 23:21.37 | enouf | fucken shit .. the damned ||s are fcken up dpkg |
| 23:21.40 | hwichmann | Pobega: and thanks again! |
| 23:21.53 | GhostlyDeath | Owner needs to execute! |
| 23:22.15 | devin_ | anyone know how can i make Krusader my default file manager for KDE |
| 23:22.17 | Pobega | GhostlyDeath: Depends what you're taling about. |
| 23:22.23 | abrotman | devin_: ask #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 23:22.28 | enouf | !fixgrub |
| 23:22.28 | dpkg | fixgrub is probably As root: mkdir /mnt/point | mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point where /blah = your / partition | mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev | mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc | chroot /mnt/point | grub-install /dev/blah to install in MBR |
| 23:22.34 | hwichmann | bye all |
| 23:22.36 | enouf | there we go .. |
| 23:22.45 | devin_ | anyone know how can i make Krusader my default file manager for KDE |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | uhm .. that's not right |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | devin_: ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 23:22.58 | schoppenhauer | did anybody recognize my question? |
| 23:23.18 | Pobega | devin_: As said before, ask on #debian-kde or #kde. You'll probably get better responses on #kde though. |
| 23:23.29 | enouf | abrotman: try it |
| 23:23.32 | Pobega | schoppenhauer: I didn't see your question, ask again. |
| 23:23.36 | devin_ | ok |
| 23:23.37 | Ezep | !bye |
| 23:23.37 | dpkg | Cya, ezep |
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| 23:24.02 | abrotman | enouf: not likely .. i have no idea why you'd want to pipe output to mount |
| 23:24.02 | Ezep | im not going |
| 23:24.06 | schoppenhauer | Pobega: I asked: Is Software under the MIT-License under "free"/"contrib" or "non-free"? |
| 23:24.10 | abrotman | Ezep: stop already |
| 23:24.11 | Dreamlinux | in debian etch.. come whit GNOME 2.18? |
| 23:24.17 | abrotman | no |
| 23:24.28 | Pobega | schoppenhauer: I wouldn't know that. Why would you need to know that? |
| 23:24.39 | enouf | abrotman: the | s are to break up the commands as listed only.. not as a full command .. |
| 23:24.40 | Dreamlinux | only GNOME 2.14.3 ? |
| 23:24.44 | devin_ | abrotman, Pobega didn't mean to ask twice sorry, wrong window |
| 23:24.49 | schoppenhauer | Pobega: because i want to install something and want to know where it is. |
| 23:24.57 | amphi | enouf: wouldn't mount /dev/blah /mnt/point chroot /mnt/point grub-install /dev/blah be simpler? |
| 23:24.58 | abrotman | enouf: then you should use a comma or something other than a valid part of a unix command |
| 23:24.58 | schoppenhauer | Pobega: or at least where to search for it |
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| 23:25.02 | enouf | abrotman: i'll redo using ; .. then I see your point |
| 23:25.09 | Pobega | schoppenhauer: http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 23:25.16 | Dreamlinux | I have a repo for GNOME 2.16 in Debian Etch (testing) :) |
| 23:25.26 | abrotman | uhm .. just packages.debian.org ? |
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| 23:25.36 | Pobega | Dreamlinux: Etch will stay on 2.14, but Lenny will get 2.16 and most likely 2.18 when it gets out of unstable. |
| 23:25.36 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel etch |
| 23:25.40 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-5 (etch), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 23:25.41 | Dreamlinux | uhm? |
| 23:25.49 | enouf | amphi: one needs to bind /proc/ and /dev before chrooting .. althiough maybe not /dev/, buyt doesn't hurt |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | Pobega: etch has part of 2.16 |
| 23:25.57 | GhostlyDeath | finnaly I got my entire home folder as 0750 |
| 23:26.03 | Pobega | abrotman: Not enough to call it 2.16 though. |
| 23:26.16 | amphi | enouf: I never needed to |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | right .. but not wholy 2.14 |
| 23:26.40 | Pobega | abrotman: Most of it is 2.14, enough to call it "GNOME 2.14" in my opinion. |
| 23:26.48 | jetscreamer | ubuntu unleashed... omg |
| 23:26.49 | amphi | enouf: it's got it's own /dev and lack of mounted /proc never seemed to be a problem |
| 23:26.51 | abrotman | i'd call it .. gnome |
| 23:26.58 | enouf | amphi: I struggled with it a lot last night .. are you sure? |
| 23:27.38 | amphi | enouf: yup, not having a mounted /proc has never interfered with grub-install for me |
| 23:27.43 | enouf | amphi: the /proc and /dev needs to be avialble in chroot spo one can install grub on the correct /dev |
| 23:27.47 | amphi | enouf: why would it? |
| 23:27.48 | Dreamlinux | budys... is recomended do.. # tasksel install desktop for a one instalation in debian etch? |
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| 23:28.00 | amphi | enouf: hd / has its own /dev |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | Dreamlinux: that depends |
| 23:28.08 | enouf | amphi: hrm .. well what about /dev |
| 23:28.15 | Dreamlinux | of what budy? |
| 23:28.23 | enouf | amphi: from a livecd /dev is moounted only as a UnioFS or Cloop |
| 23:28.25 | amphi | enouf: /dev is in the chroot ;) |
| 23:28.31 | abrotman | !e |
| 23:28.31 | dpkg | somebody said e was from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite, or http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 23:28.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:28.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:28.53 | amphi | enouf: who cares? the hd /dev/hda or whatever works perfectly well |
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| 23:29.13 | Pobega_ | Sorry about that, my connection died. |
| 23:29.15 | Dreamlinux | well.. cyas... bydys.. they care.. |
| 23:29.18 | Dreamlinux | bytes |
| 23:29.22 | enouf | amphi: well .. let's just say i did everything written there step-=by-step wexcept actually have to reinstall grub .. ;-) |
| 23:29.35 | amphi | enouf: of course, with udev it's another story perhaps ;) |
| 23:29.37 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I went against everything you guys said |
| 23:29.47 | GhostlyDeath | Found my own solution |
| 23:29.53 | enouf | !spank amphi hard |
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| 23:30.14 | enouf | !fixgrub |
| 23:30.14 | dpkg | hmm... fixgrub is As root: mkdir /mnt/point ; mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point (where /blah = your / partition) ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; chroot /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR) |
| 23:30.21 | enouf | better abrotman ? |
| 23:30.25 | enouf | no | s |
| 23:30.29 | amphi | enouf: then you'd do grub-install /dev/.static/dev/hda or whatever, of course ;) |
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| 23:30.41 | enouf | bastage :-P |
| 23:31.02 | enouf | amphi: don't rain on my parade! |
| 23:31.05 | enouf | :-P |
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| 23:31.15 | amphi | I'll do more ;) |
| 23:31.24 | amphi | !penixstrike enouf |
| 23:31.24 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking enouf to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:31.41 | enouf | heh |
| 23:31.45 | mfrisch | amphi: aah thats probaly why it didn't work in my case. |
| 23:32.02 | amphi | two cheers for udev! |
| 23:32.18 | mfrisch | eehwh the future |
| 23:32.35 | enouf | amphi: why you have to pull in the ever elusive /dev/static/dev Dir into this? .. it was doing so nice if you just left it alone :-P |
| 23:32.40 | DevilChaos | hey ho |
| 23:32.44 | enouf | er .static |
| 23:33.05 | DevilChaos | hows it going in here havent bin for ages |
| 23:33.07 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 23:33.35 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: that's because last night I was a dumbass and today you suck ass :-P |
| 23:33.45 | GhostlyDeath | why do I suck ass? |
| 23:34.02 | amphi | enouf: because I had to, having not thought about udev at first ;) binding /dev is IMHO more elegant suggestion than 'if udev, foo, else bar' |
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| 23:34.51 | jelly-home | DevilChaos: same old, same old |
| 23:35.12 | amphi | enouf: I had static /dev for so long, I have not really caught up with 'modernity' ;) |
| 23:35.14 | enouf | amphi: you da man |
| 23:35.25 | jelly-home | even enterprise approved distros use udev now-a-days |
| 23:35.52 | abrotman | devfs was deprecated a while ago |
| 23:35.59 | enouf | amphi: I'm reading about how udev uses it as a temp /mnt point till it can mknod or MAKEDEV whatever .. using a /tmpfs or someshit .. but it's all very confusing |
| 23:36.19 | enouf | abrotman: not that long .. for sparc64 users :-P |
| 23:36.32 | abrotman | in the tree |
| 23:36.40 | enouf | that's upstream |
| 23:36.40 | amphi | enouf: I have read absolutely nothing about udev, um, yet... |
| 23:36.58 | enouf | !spanks amphi for being even smarter than before |
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| 23:37.16 | enouf | !pony amphi |
| 23:37.24 | enouf | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 23:37.30 | DevilChaos | anyone heard of games on tux.smashthestack.org? |
| 23:37.32 | enouf | !fish me |
| 23:37.40 | kelt | I just ran chkrootkit and it said Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465) any idea what this means? |
| 23:37.53 | abrotman | false positive |
| 23:37.53 | kelt | does this mean I have something wrong with SMTPS? |
| 23:38.00 | Ezep | fffeeesss |
| 23:38.01 | enouf | you've been pWn3d |
| 23:38.06 | abrotman | pretty sure |
| 23:38.22 | DevilChaos | restrict access to that port |
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| 23:38.46 | Reiser_x | Hi |
| 23:38.52 | DevilChaos | hey |
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| 23:39.13 | Reiser_x | i installed Xorg in debian 3.1r4, but when i run i get a black screen |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | how did you install it ? |
| 23:39.30 | Reiser_x | i used back ports |
| 23:39.43 | Reiser_x | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 23:39.55 | abrotman | any errors in the logs ? |
| 23:39.59 | enouf | amphi: and then conincide that info with initramfs (ramfs and cpio) vs mkinitrd (cramfs, Compressed ROM,) etc.. and they keep the same name for both "initrd" .. and there's one large mess |
| 23:40.15 | Pobega | Reiser_x: Xorg isn't supported in Sarge. I'm not sure how well backports works, but I'd say that you're better off purging it and pinning it from Etch. |
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| 23:40.24 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 23:40.28 | GuySof1 | um, hello i get the following dmesg error: http://sial.org/pbot/23935 , when connecting this card: http://www.engeniustech.com/datacom/products/details.aspx?id=150 . is there a way to get the driver to work? |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | Pobega: uhm .. not likely |
| 23:40.41 | Reiser_x | let me check |
| 23:40.44 | abrotman | Pobega: the ones at backports.org are made for sarge .. |
| 23:40.50 | karmatronic | anyone remembers how to create a ssh tunnel when already connected ? |
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| 23:40.55 | Pobega | abrotman: I thought that the backports were unofficial and riddled with bugs? |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | and you shouldn't advocate mixing releases |
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| 23:41.10 | abrotman | Pobega: AIUI .. they come from the same debian sources |
| 23:41.35 | Pobega | 19:43 -!- bflyz_ [n=dedododo@c-76-108-0-241.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #debian |
| 23:41.44 | GuySof1 | is there a way to detect what pcmcia driver is needed ? |
| 23:41.52 | Pobega | Woops |
| 23:41.53 | Pobega | Sorry |
| 23:41.56 | Pobega | Stupid touchpad |
| 23:42.05 | bflyz_ | hehe |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | GuySof1: tried asking #wireless ? |
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| 23:42.50 | GuySof1 | abrotman: i tried #aircrack-ng and ##ibmthinkpad , someone just told me to try here :-S |
| 23:42.51 | Pobega | abrotman: I've heard of a lot of problems coming from backports.org, maybe Reiser_x is missing some libraries or something? In my experience apt-pinning works fine if you use the right commands. |
| 23:43.04 | kelt | anyone know how to get more informatino about an already running process? |
| 23:43.04 | abrotman | Pobega: or maybe he should just check the log? |
| 23:43.12 | Pobega | abrotman: Touche. |
| 23:43.17 | amphi | reiser... the horror, the horror... |
| 23:43.29 | kelt | I did an netstat -nlp | grep 465 and it says there is a process running called "master" |
| 23:43.34 | chemaja | amphi: works for me |
| 23:43.49 | amphi | chemaja: pray you never need reiserfsck |
| 23:43.57 | chemaja | amphi: on a modern sid? |
| 23:44.04 | abrotman | at least reiserfsck exists now :) |
| 23:44.05 | mfrisch | kelt: oh the old master rootkit...its your mailserver! |
| 23:44.31 | amphi | I like the description of reiserfsck, 'horror reanimator' ;) |
| 23:45.02 | rainabba | The following error meaningful to anyone? "/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libc.so when searching for -lc" |
| 23:45.09 | rainabba | During a kbuild |
| 23:45.33 | amphi | it can be found in http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc - perhaps things have changed for the better since then |
| 23:46.25 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 23:46.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 23:46.34 | abrotman | amphi: that link and a few others are in that second link |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | erm . .that email |
| 23:47.09 | amphi | uhuh |
| 23:47.18 | chemaja | amphi: so what should i run? xfs? jfs? |
| 23:47.25 | chemaja | (i didnt' read the article) |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | ext3! \o/ |
| 23:47.33 | mfrisch | ext3? |
| 23:47.35 | chemaja | oh. ok. |
| 23:47.48 | Reiser_x | abrotman: hummm, i am checking log, "The directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts does not exist" |
| 23:47.53 | kelt | mfrisch: yeah I'm running a mail server on it... but why does rook kit say it's infected? |
| 23:48.01 | amphi | chemaja: xfs works ok for me here - _much_ slower on deletes than reiser (not necessarily a bad thing ;) |
| 23:48.17 | abrotman | Reiser_x: aptitude install xfonts-100dpi |
| 23:48.32 | amphi | chemaja: I haven't tried jfs |
| 23:48.51 | chemaja | i find reiser faster than ext3 (subjective) |
| 23:49.05 | chemaja | but i really should just upgrade my hw, it's a bag o shize |
| 23:49.08 | mfrisch | kelt: it is a tool a program it can produce false positives (fake alerts) to running processes. |
| 23:49.26 | amphi | chemaja: ext3 is probaby fine as well, I just never used it after an ext3 fs vanished in its entirety into lost+found for no apparent reason ;) |
| 23:49.47 | Reiser_x | abrotman: can't find any version xfonts-100dpi |
| 23:49.53 | amphi | chemaja: reiser is quick, no doubt, or at least it was when I used it |
| 23:50.28 | rainabba | Any way (even round-about) to use http://virtualbox.org/download/1.3.8/VirtualBox_1.3.8_Debian_etch_i386.deb on an x86_64 kernel? I don't know the tools so I don't know what's possible or not. Maybe a way to break the package down and create a new one for my kernel? |
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| 23:50.42 | abrotman | Reiser_x: paste your sources somwehere |
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| 23:50.50 | mfrisch | amphi: quick isn't what I'm interested in its stability. |
| 23:50.59 | rpc | abrotman why run ext3? |
| 23:51.02 | amphi | chemaja: here, I find xfs is sometimes much slower on deletes than at other times, no idea why; otherwise it's snappy enough |
| 23:51.06 | abrotman | rpc: why not .... |
| 23:51.15 | rpc | abrotman it uses lots of resources.. |
| 23:51.27 | amphi | mfrisch: agreed, that's why I fled reiser once I found it was too true to be good |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | rpc: it's less flaky than the rest? |
| 23:51.51 | mfrisch | rainabba: not in a good way unless you install a chroot.. |
| 23:51.56 | Reiser_x | abrotman: any repository to add to find that? |
| 23:51.56 | rpc | abrotman ntfs is faster even.. way faster :) |
| 23:52.08 | abrotman | ext3 is quite fast |
| 23:52.12 | rpc | not that i don't use ext3 but i really need to find an alternative |
| 23:52.20 | amphi | rpc: fat12 is damn fast ;) |
| 23:52.24 | abrotman | Reiser_x: it should be in there with sarge and the backports for X |
| 23:52.27 | mfrisch | rpc: and its got a journal too |
| 23:52.33 | rpc | since i saw a comparision of filesystems... i don't believe in ext3 anymore |
| 23:52.49 | abrotman | !tel rpc about fs comparison |
| 23:52.51 | rpc | mfrisch hm yes journal is important |
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| 23:52.52 | abrotman | rpc: read the last link |
| 23:53.01 | abrotman | !tell rpc about fs comparison |
| 23:53.04 | rainabba | mfrisch: Makes me wonder, would that allow me to get other i386 only aps running/built? |
| 23:53.04 | rpc | hm |
| 23:53.17 | mfrisch | rpc: ;-) |
| 23:53.24 | Reiser_x | i have it |
| 23:53.28 | Reiser_x | :S |
| 23:53.32 | Ezep | how i can find a lib that is in a package? |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | !tell Ezep about search |
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| 23:53.59 | rpc | well after all... there is nothing so important as data integrity and security |
| 23:54.00 | mfrisch | rainabba: its the standard way of doing it. You could run a i386 domU as well. |
| 23:54.10 | rpc | and that's why i stick to ext so far.. |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | Reiser_x: have what ? |
| 23:54.43 | tastygoat | whats wrong with ext3 rpc? |
| 23:54.52 | rainabba | mfrisch: I'm looking for a solution that's not too painful that won't require me reinstalling my host os (which is currently x86_64) |
| 23:54.54 | Reiser_x | i have that repositories in sources.list |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | Reiser_x: paste your X config in the pastebin |
| 23:55.18 | Reiser_x | is in spanish |
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| 23:55.52 | abrotman | okay. . so what ? |
| 23:55.59 | mfrisch | rainabba: chroot is pretty painless but a xen domU would be more usefull |
| 23:56.25 | abrotman | does /lib/ turn into /biblio/ ? |
| 23:56.44 | pokingfu1 | ??/ |
| 23:56.57 | pokingfu1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.33 | abrotman | library ... biblioteca |
| 23:57.38 | rainabba | mfrisch: xen domU meanings using xen hypervisor to create a virtual machine and install an i386 kernel os into it? That might get painful considering I'm doing this to run VirtualBox :) You agree? |
| 23:58.08 | Catachan | alright, the initrd, if I have had problems with my custom kernels not booting due to SATA not working |
| 23:58.10 | Catachan | ? |
| 23:58.22 | Catachan | might an initrd help? |
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| 23:58.53 | mfrisch | rainabba: instead of maybe? |
| 23:59.39 | rainabba | mcfisch: Maybe, but I'm looking at vbox because xen wasn't cutting it. I need to host Windows boxes and i never got xen working. :( |
