| 00:00.06 | mfrisch | Catachan: no you need the right sata mods wherever you load them. |
| 00:00.52 | torrrr | does anyone knows where can I disable the sort done on grouped items in the task bar in gnome? |
| 00:00.57 | Catachan | well the thing is, that I have had the SATA problem even with every SATA driver builtinto the kernel |
| 00:01.03 | rainabba | I'm starting to find that running the x86_64 kernel is painful. Are there any tangible benefits over running i686 or i386 even? |
| 00:01.16 | mfrisch | rainabba: did you follow the how-to with xen widows virtualization |
| 00:01.46 | mfrisch | rainabba: did you get windows to "boot" |
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| 00:02.06 | tastygoat | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 00:02.08 | enouf | rpc sucks ass |
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| 00:02.28 | enouf | and now .. time to go forage for som nice cows ;-) |
| 00:03.01 | rainabba | mfrisch: Yes, but it's been a few days so I don't even recall what the errors were for sure. I think part of it was that I needed to boot Acronis True Image.iso and xen wouldn't do it. Why do you prefer Xen (over qemu, kvm, vbox, or any of the other options)? |
| 00:04.18 | mfrisch | rainabba: you said you want to host 'doz boxes it has good networking supported chrooted enviroment |
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| 00:05.30 | rainabba | mfrisch: Yes, but to get windows into the guests, I use Acronis which is based on some *nix distro but I have no idea what. That makes Acronis a requirement too. To your knowledge should I assume I could boot it? |
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| 00:06.55 | mfrisch | rainabba: you create the image for the domU create the cfg for the host and change the boot disk to the cdrom for the install..change it back for use. do you have xen-ioemu |
| 00:07.22 | oiaohm | Yes I know nasty question how to you create a virtual package. |
| 00:07.49 | oiaohm | I have annoying one where something will not install because a virtual package is missing for some reason. The parts that the virtual package should install is present. |
| 00:08.40 | rainabba | mfrisch: At the moment I don't have any xen packages installed (though I'm thinking of trying again), but I did. The issue wasn't booting off CD, but booting the OS that is on that CD (I know it's *nix of some flavor, but don't know if it's unix, linux, freebsd, etc...) Should that matter with Xen? |
| 00:09.30 | mfrisch | rainabba: do you have a cpu that supports virtualization ? |
| 00:10.00 | rainabba | yes, C2D e6300 |
| 00:10.08 | mfrisch | rainabba: the other emulators emulate dummy devices for the domU to use |
| 00:11.04 | Ezep | !bye |
| 00:11.09 | dpkg | Cya, ezep |
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| 00:11.37 | mfrisch | rainabba: hey did you get a linux domU going before trying the Unix one? |
| 00:12.40 | rainabba | mfrisch: The terms still confuse me, but isn't domU the actual host OS (the one the physical machine boots) ? |
| 00:12.52 | mfrisch | thats dom0 |
| 00:12.58 | rainabba | Ok. |
| 00:13.02 | mfrisch | its the virtual boxes |
| 00:13.25 | rainabba | No, had no need so I never tried. |
| 00:14.10 | apt-apt | Could someone tell me what dir. the wireless firmware shoud go in. Using etch. Thanks |
| 00:14.50 | mfrisch | rainabba: there is some networking steps involved in getting xen to work for anything..and you would need to add the new host to /etc/hosts |
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| 00:16.36 | HymnToLife | apt-apt, most likely, /lib/firmware |
| 00:16.54 | HymnToLife | not 100% sure, it might depend on the card |
| 00:17.17 | Ankman | some assume firmware at /etc/firmware |
| 00:17.17 | jcl | it depends on where the kernel module looks |
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| 00:17.40 | jcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.54 | apt-apt | thanks |
| 00:22.02 | bflyz_ | post sarge to estch reboot, idt77252(itf0): signal lost, any info :-) |
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| 00:24.23 | Reiser_x | abrotman: i will paste xorg.conf now |
| 00:24.35 | abrotman | now ? |
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| 00:24.47 | Kronuz | hello |
| 00:24.54 | bflyz_ | hi heh |
| 00:24.56 | Kronuz | hey, I tried to make menuconfig for my kernel |
| 00:25.09 | Kronuz | but I'm getting a few errors there |
| 00:25.20 | Kronuz | is menuconfig working in debian's kernel source code? |
| 00:25.30 | Reiser_x | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/420258 |
| 00:25.56 | Kronuz | hmm.. it needs curses |
| 00:26.01 | Kronuz | and maybe it's not installed |
| 00:26.03 | Kronuz | let me check |
| 00:26.16 | abrotman | Kronuz: apt-cache search libncurses dev |
| 00:26.57 | Kronuz | abrotman: yep, it wasn't installed |
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| 00:27.01 | Kronuz | thanks |
| 00:28.45 | Reiser_x | abrotman: did you see the log? |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | Reiser_x: apt-cache policy xfonts-100 |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | erm |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | Reiser_x: apt-cache policy xfonts-100dpi |
| 00:30.24 | Reiser_x | apt-cache policy xfonts-100 -------- result: Can find packege xfonts-100 |
| 00:30.29 | abrotman | Reiser_x: apt-cache policy xfonts-100dpi |
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| 00:30.36 | rpc | anyone using 3ware raid controller? |
| 00:30.51 | rpc | just wondering if that works smooth on etch |
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| 00:31.10 | Reiser_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.16 | Reiser_x | Installed: none |
| 00:31.21 | Reiser_x | Candidate: none |
| 00:31.34 | Reiser_x | Table version: |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | Reiser_x: paste your sources somewhere |
| 00:31.34 | Reiser_x | there is only i get |
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| 00:32.05 | abrotman | Reiser_x: did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
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| 00:32.11 | Reiser_x | yeah |
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| 00:33.00 | abrotman | Reiser_x: paste your sources somewhere |
| 00:33.04 | hwichmann | hi all. I've installed NTP with apt-get install ntp, which seemed to work fine. I can't start the daemon though, as there is no startup script in /etc/init.d |
| 00:33.10 | hwichmann | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 00:33.29 | abrotman | Reiser_x: aptitude install xfonts-base ? |
| 00:33.31 | Reiser_x | i just add deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:33.39 | abrotman | hwichmann: ntpd ? |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | Reiser_x: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/ |
| 00:33.54 | hwichmann | abrotman: nope, nothing there |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | hwichmann: i'm telling you .. ntp is a client ..ntpd is a server :) |
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| 00:34.14 | abrotman | hwichmann: they're different packages |
| 00:34.19 | hwichmann | abrotman: ahhh, one mo ples |
| 00:34.56 | hwichmann | abrotman: apt-get install reports that it couldn't find package ntpd |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | hwichmann: which version of debian ? |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | !info ntp-server sarge |
| 00:35.20 | dpkg | ntp-server: (Network Time Protocol: common server tools), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 00:35.26 | hwichmann | abrotman: 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | hwichmann: the package is ntp-server i belive |
| 00:35.40 | hwichmann | thanks! |
| 00:36.06 | hwichmann | abrotman: yep, installing,.... thanks |
| 00:36.13 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 00:36.21 | hwichmann | ciao :) |
| 00:37.27 | Reiser_x | abrotman: i have to add that line to sources.list ? http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/ |
| 00:37.35 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:37.42 | abrotman | i was showing you that the packages exist |
| 00:37.59 | Reiser_x | hummm |
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| 00:39.00 | Reiser_x | abrotman: do you have the repository site to add to sources.list? |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | if you followed the instructions at http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions .. then you shouldn't be having a problem |
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| 00:40.46 | xp_prg4 | what package contains mencoder? |
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| 00:42.09 | jelly-home | probably "mencoder" |
| 00:42.19 | xp_prg4 | I did apt-cache search mencoder and nothing came up :( |
| 00:42.22 | Reiser_x | i follow all instrucctions |
| 00:42.37 | jelly-home | xp_prg4: have you added marillat's repository with non-free apps? |
| 00:42.46 | xp_prg4 | no |
| 00:43.00 | jelly-home | !marillat |
| 00:43.01 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
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| 00:43.40 | xp_prg4 | I use knoppix do you know what version I would install? |
| 00:43.58 | xp_prg4 | would I use experimental or stable? |
| 00:43.58 | jelly-home | xp_prg4: no, you'd need to ask #knoppix for that |
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| 00:44.28 | abrotman | Reiser_x: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 00:45.47 | Reiser_x | hummm |
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| 00:46.40 | Reiser_x | ok, the problem is can read the packages list |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:47.35 | xp_prg4 | got it thanks |
| 00:49.17 | Reiser_x | i make ping to that server, but no response |
| 00:49.48 | Reiser_x | wait, i use apt-get update |
| 00:49.57 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 00:50.00 | Reiser_x | installing |
| 00:50.24 | Reiser_x | xfonts-base first, right? |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | is it working ? |
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| 00:52.10 | rpc | how wise is it to use software raid? |
| 00:52.32 | rpc | i was just told that i could convert my current setup into raid1 without formatting |
| 00:52.37 | rpc | does it really work? |
| 00:53.09 | pipeline | Yes. |
| 00:53.27 | rpc | hm. |
| 00:53.30 | pipeline | You would add a drive, create a failed RAID1 volume on it, copy everything there, then hot-add your first drive. |
| 00:53.39 | debiangrl | anyone know how to get bodog installed? |
| 00:53.49 | pipeline | You'll have to sacrifice some swap space or something to cover the ~1M of overhead from the md stuff. ;) |
| 00:53.50 | rpc | pipeline is it doable without physical access to the box? |
| 00:53.59 | pipeline | rpc: sure, but that's criminally stupid |
| 00:54.21 | rpc | pipeline no hope for me then |
| 00:54.28 | Reiser_x | abrotman: i installed xfont-base |
| 00:54.34 | Reiser_x | noe what? |
| 00:54.40 | Reiser_x | now what? |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | Reiser_x: xfonts-100dpi ? |
| 00:54.48 | rpc | i have 2 drives up and i need to create a raid |
| 00:54.59 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 00:55.02 | Reiser_x | wait |
| 00:55.29 | Reiser_x | installing ...... |
| 00:56.02 | Reiser_x | sorry, somany ENTER |
| 00:56.50 | enouf | ahh .. the "special" class is in session :-P |
| 00:56.57 | Reiser_x | abrotman: ok, ready xfonts-base and xfont-100dpi was installed, now? |
| 00:57.11 | Reiser_x | abrotman: can i run Xorg? |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | does X start ? |
| 00:58.24 | Reiser_x | man |
| 00:58.36 | Reiser_x | i can't find binary |
| 00:58.39 | Reiser_x | i have to use only X right? |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | startx? |
| 00:58.44 | enouf | startx |
| 00:58.55 | Reiser_x | command not found |
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| 00:59.33 | Twiztr | How hard in installing KDE from a netinstall cd? |
| 00:59.45 | enouf | Reiser_x: apt-get install |
| 00:59.48 | enouf | xbase-clients |
| 01:00.33 | Reiser_x | dependency problems |
| 01:01.40 | enouf | ask in #debian-boot (irc.debian.org).. you need to pass a tasksel=<something> option at boot prompt, and it may on;y work with netboot and businesscard |
| 01:01.52 | enouf | Twiztr: ^^ |
| 01:02.15 | Reiser_x | abrotman: are u there |
| 01:02.31 | enouf | Twiztr: maybe just grab the kdecd (whatever that is) |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | Reiser_x: aptitude install xorg |
| 01:03.02 | Twiztr | kdecd? |
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| 01:03.14 | enouf | !kdecd |
| 01:03.19 | enouf | heh |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | Twiztr: it's easy .. after the install .. aptitude install kde kdm x-window-system |
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| 01:03.40 | debiangrl | i can't get wine to work |
| 01:03.47 | debiangrl | it keeps closing with error code 1 |
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| 01:05.21 | Reiser_x | abrotman: problems with dependencies |
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| 01:05.54 | s0crates | what is current testing nickname? |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | need to see them |
| 01:05.58 | abrotman | s0crates: etch |
| 01:06.04 | s0crates | how about unstable? |
| 01:06.07 | s0crates | sid still? |
| 01:06.20 | Reiser_x | ok, installing separate dependencies |
| 01:06.25 | Reiser_x | please wait |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | unstable is always sid |
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| 01:07.38 | Reiser_x | abrotman: black screen :S |
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| 01:07.46 | abrotman | Reiser_x: paste your whole log |
| 01:07.51 | Reiser_x | DamM |
| 01:08.02 | abrotman | not in here |
| 01:08.10 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 01:08.17 | s0crates | abrotman: ok thanks a lot |
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| 01:10.07 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 01:10.07 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 01:10.49 | debiangrl | has anyone ever installed bodog? |
| 01:11.08 | mfrisch | !anyone bodog |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | wtf is bodog ? |
| 01:11.24 | rahul | !qotd181 |
| 01:11.25 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
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| 01:11.58 | rahul | bodog is that betting network isn't it? |
| 01:12.02 | rahul | or something silly like that |
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| 01:12.21 | debiangrl | rahul, if you download the betting software. i don't use it for that |
| 01:12.39 | mfrisch | warez program? |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | so it's a win32 app ? |
| 01:13.14 | mfrisch | abrotman: god I hope so! |
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| 01:14.24 | spacefrog | I'm running Debian.. Where are my PHP sessions stored? I cant find them in /tmp |
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| 01:15.02 | abrotman | should be in /tmp |
| 01:15.27 | litage | spacefrog: check /etc/php*/php.ini |
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| 01:16.01 | debiangrl | get it is a windows app |
| 01:16.03 | spacefrog | ah, they're in /var/lib/php5 |
| 01:16.24 | debiangrl | i keep getting sement faults when i try to run it with wine |
| 01:16.33 | abrotman | then ask #winehq |
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| 01:18.49 | Canute | Hi guys, I'm running an apache2 server on my debian box. However, I am in the need of large file support, which appararently apache 2.0 doesn't support with a 32bits system. I googled around and apache 2.2 does support it, however i am kinda hessitant to upgrade 'cause it is in the unstable repository, and I don't want to ruin my current configuration. Anyone have any tips to what I might do? |
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| 01:20.00 | abrotman | Canute: i believe it's at backports.org also |
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| 01:20.21 | Canute | interesting |
| 01:20.31 | abrotman | i could be wrong .. you'll have to look around a bit |
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| 01:22.24 | s0crates | can someone give me a good unstable mirror for sources.list since I can't even install netselect :) |
| 01:23.17 | GhostlyDeath | WINE needs libc6 2.4-1 but I only got 2.3.6, how could I update it? |
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| 01:23.58 | abrotman | where did you get your wine from ? |
| 01:23.59 | pipeline | You can't. |
| 01:24.04 | s0crates | ah forget it i got it.. |
| 01:24.06 | GhostlyDeath | WIneHQ |
| 01:24.18 | pipeline | The winehq packages are totally fucked. |
| 01:24.21 | pipeline | That guy is an idiot. |
| 01:24.24 | s0crates | GhostlyDeath: you can also install the deb manually |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: don't use those |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | s0crates: no .. he can't |
| 01:24.31 | s0crates | like dpkg -i package.deb |
| 01:24.32 | pipeline | Debian's own maintainer is much, much better at it :P |
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| 01:24.47 | s0crates | abrotman: why? |
| 01:24.59 | GhostlyDeath | Where do I download them from? |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: they're already in debian |
| 01:25.18 | GhostlyDeath | What do I run? |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | s0crates: because you can't just fuck with libc like that |
| 01:25.29 | s0crates | it's not a good route to take, I know.. what version of debian are you running GhostlyDeath |
| 01:25.40 | GhostlyDeath | etch |
| 01:25.52 | Canute | abrotman; doesn't seem like it is :/ |
| 01:26.01 | s0crates | abrotman: I know.. but if he must.. |
| 01:26.05 | abrotman | Canute: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:26.11 | abrotman | s0crates: no . he can't . the system will die |
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| 01:26.13 | GhostlyDeath | bash gives wine stuff |
| 01:26.39 | s0crates | ah |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | s0crates: are you going to help him repair his broken system? |
| 01:26.51 | s0crates | GhostlyDeath: don't install manually. |
| 01:26.58 | s0crates | there |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: wine is already in debian |
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| 01:29.21 | amphi | oh, no, there's a new kernel... |
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| 01:32.31 | s0crates | damn I don't understand why i'm getting this error: Errhttp://http.us.debian.org unstable Release |
| 01:32.39 | s0crates | when running apt-get update |
| 01:32.46 | s0crates | is that mirror down? |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 01:33.24 | s0crates | ah thanks |
| 01:33.50 | s0crates | thanks |
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| 01:34.04 | dak | anyone have a hp laptop that uses quickplay buttons ? |
| 01:34.20 | Guerin | !anyone use a hp laptop that uses quickplay buttons ? |
| 01:34.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses a hp laptop that uses quickplay buttons, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:34.38 | dak | guerin thanks for not helping.. |
| 01:34.48 | s0crates | Errhttp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release |
| 01:34.50 | MrWup | whats the best linux firewall? |
| 01:34.55 | s0crates | shorewall |
| 01:35.05 | Guerin | dak: the answer to your question is `yes, someone, somewhere has one' |
| 01:35.06 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: I tried instalinng a new wine (the wine in debian works), would this install attempt mess us wine at all? |
| 01:35.11 | jelly-home | dak: you should probably ask the real question |
| 01:35.15 | GhostlyDeath | It failed at a mising dependency |
| 01:35.21 | Guerin | MrWup: depends what you want to do. |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: i have no idea .. i don't use those unofficial packages |
| 01:35.23 | dak | guerin well i need to find some one who has one because they would know ? |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | they would know .. what? |
| 01:35.41 | dak | if i write over the mbr will the buttons still work ? |
| 01:35.44 | Guerin | dak: would they? Sounds to me like you need to check linux-laptop.net |
| 01:35.47 | dak | all i want to know |
| 01:35.55 | MrWup | whats smoothwall like? |
| 01:35.57 | dak | guerin, hey i have ? |
| 01:35.59 | Guerin | dak: wtf would the MBR have to do with laptop buttons? |
| 01:36.10 | dak | because it has its own partition ? |
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| 01:36.24 | Guerin | the MBR simply tells the bios where to boot. |
| 01:36.41 | dak | well this button makes the computer boot to the partition |
| 01:36.45 | dak | for the quickplay |
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| 01:36.50 | superlinux | hi all |
| 01:36.53 | Guerin | if there's another partition, it's for some different stuff, nothing to do with the MBR, which is strictly the first 512 bytes of a drive |
| 01:37.08 | dak | yes. |
| 01:37.17 | dak | this partition is a gig, has a small copy of windows and media player |
| 01:37.31 | dak | you press the button when the laptop is off, and it boots this partition to play cd's and dvd's |
| 01:37.43 | dak | just want to know if the buttons would still work after i install linux |
| 01:37.53 | dak | because it is on its on bootable partition. |
| 01:37.58 | superlinux | i have imaged my debian DVD's on my hardisk, and i automounted them |
| 01:37.59 | Guerin | dak: then you'll probably need to configure your bootloader to see it. |
| 01:38.00 | amphi | dak: how revolting |
| 01:38.19 | superlinux | how can i update the contents of the dvd's ? |
| 01:38.28 | dak | guerin but currently all i do is press the key and it loads the partition |
| 01:38.45 | superlinux | i dont wanna download the whole DVD |
| 01:38.54 | superlinux | i dont wanna download the whole DVD again. |
| 01:39.06 | dak | so download the first cd iso? |
| 01:39.11 | dak | guerin ? |
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| 01:39.48 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get directdraw in Wine? |
| 01:39.50 | Guerin | dak: this is nothing to do with debian. I suggest you ask your vendor, or a forum specific to your lapotop. I'm not sure what it's reading off - could be the MBR or it could be something else. |
| 01:39.55 | superlinux | well i dont have internet at home... i come to uni to update.. and i just want to relpace what can be replaced / updated on the DVD |
| 01:39.58 | Guerin | !htfswk GhostlyDeath |
| 01:39.58 | dpkg | GhostlyDeath: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:39.59 | dak | guerin |
| 01:40.03 | Guerin | dak |
| 01:40.05 | dexomsrc | Where do I find out what is holding a particular package in experimental back from moving to sid? |
| 01:40.09 | dak | are you a sales rep now ? |
| 01:40.17 | abrotman | dexomsrc: they don't move to sid |
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| 01:40.28 | Guerin | dak: me? Fuck no. Been there, hated it. |
| 01:40.30 | dak | talk abot ego |
| 01:40.39 | superlinux | i meant just update the contents of the DVD only |
| 01:40.42 | Guerin | dak: fact: this has nothign to do with debian. |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 01:40.45 | dpkg | from memory, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 01:40.50 | dexomsrc | abrotman: Oh... mind if I ask where they go? |
| 01:40.54 | dak | guerin its a question that has to do with linux |
| 01:40.58 | dak | sorry for asking |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | dexomsrc: they go .. nowhere |
| 01:41.03 | Guerin | dak: absolutely not. |
| 01:41.14 | Guerin | dak: fact: the only people who can answer your questions definitively are the people who make and know the hardware well. |
| 01:41.22 | dak | you bust my balls when i come in about it being a wise ass, and now that you dont know the answer you go this route |
| 01:41.43 | dak | guerin the people that an answer my question are other people who have tried it already ? |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 01:41.56 | Guerin | dak: it's only now I *realise* i don't know the fucking answer, because it took me five minutes to squeeze any useful information out of you. |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 01:42.09 | dexomsrc | abrotman: Okay, so for example there is an Amarok 1.4.5 package in experimental, but sid/etch only have 1.4.4. Does this experimental package in any way indicate that unstable will have that version soon? |
| 01:42.21 | dak | you have really bad people skills man |
| 01:42.26 | dexomsrc | abrotman: Because it at least shows that an Amarok 1.4.5 package is being tested, right? |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | dexomsrc: nope |
| 01:42.28 | dak | ignored |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 01:42.36 | Guerin | !win me |
| 01:42.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | i'll do it again til someone reads it! |
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| 01:42.41 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 01:42.52 | Guerin | abrotman: that's not the issue. |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | to hell with all of you! |
| 01:43.14 | jetscreamer | what does zsync mean, as in debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso.zsync |
| 01:43.17 | Guerin | abrotman: it's some retarded embedded thing to play cds and shit when the laptop iusn't actually on. |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | Guerin: but it's not on |
| 01:43.31 | superlinux | abrotman: i dont want to download a whole DVD or CD.. i have mounted the DVD images on my hardisk for faster access. i only want get the newer pakacges to be updated on the DVD so i can burn the DVD's agian. i dont have internet at home. circumstances disallows me. |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | superlinux: i don't think you can |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | Guerin: seems like a BIOS function to me |
| 01:43.52 | superlinux | aha |
| 01:43.54 | jelly-home | jigdo? |
| 01:44.08 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: hten get the jigdo file, use hte packages on the dvd to preload the cache, and pull all of the updated ones |
| 01:44.09 | superlinux | abrotman: but dont u think it is a good idea? |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:44.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:44.37 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: but why bother to do that? you can just use the netinst image in combination with the dvd that you've got, downloading any additional packages as requred. |
| 01:44.45 | dak | and Guerin your comment about taking 5 mins ? go scroll up and hope you have time stamp on. 4th line i asked the question and it took 1 min and like 20-30 seconds |
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| 01:44.50 | dak | ego. |
| 01:45.01 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: " i dont have internet at home." |
| 01:45.01 | merlincorey | what happened to the tor package? [I believe there was one in sarge, but etch is apparently lacking one] |
| 01:45.12 | dondelelcaro | dak: just drop it already, please. |
| 01:45.15 | amphi | abrotman: he said something like "it boots a small windows + media player" or some such absurdity |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | so the laptop is on |
| 01:45.22 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's what apt-zip is for. |
| 01:45.23 | jetscreamer | no-boahdy-noes |
| 01:45.28 | jetscreamer | typical |
| 01:45.31 | dak | i said this. |
| 01:45.37 | amphi | abrotman: yeah, obviously ;) |
| 01:45.38 | jetscreamer | my q's are 21337 |
| 01:45.59 | dak | the laptop is off, you press a button on the laptop (not the power button) it boots a small copy of windows that lets you play dvd's and cd's |
| 01:46.09 | dak | if i install linux and keep that partition will it still work |
| 01:46.19 | dondelelcaro | so install linux and keep that parttion |
| 01:46.34 | jelly-home | dak: it depends on the implementation (bios, mbr, who knows?) |
| 01:46.35 | dondelelcaro | if it doesn't, just reimage your machine |
| 01:46.48 | jetscreamer | sounds like a guh-A laptop |
| 01:46.50 | dak | my concern was because it is it's own partition where the copy of win and media player is, that if i change the mbr and install lilo if it would still work or not |
| 01:46.53 | amphi | what a useless misfeatire |
| 01:46.58 | amphi | misfeature |
| 01:46.59 | dak | jelly, thats my question |
| 01:47.05 | jetscreamer | amphi: jinx |
| 01:47.13 | amphi | he |
| 01:47.15 | amphi | h |
| 01:47.17 | dak | i found one thing saying it wont work |
| 01:47.26 | jelly-home | amphi: it's not useless, if it can boot up quickly and spin the disk off. |
| 01:47.40 | dak | it boots alot faster then linux or win |
| 01:47.44 | dak | thats why i like it |
| 01:47.53 | dak | i just found this on a form tho |
| 01:47.55 | amphi | jelly-home: what's wrong with suspend-to-disk? |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | they make CD players for DOS too :) |
| 01:48.02 | merlincorey | dak, if it boots normally, it should boot fine with grub in the MBR, if not, do it over again |
| 01:48.02 | dak | "I'm considering buying a Buffalo 500GB USB Hardrive exactly for this purpose, I would like to install natively to my laptop, but installing Linux interferes with HP QuickPlay... |
| 01:48.03 | jelly-home | dak: we can't know it, because it depends on the implementation of the feature |
| 01:48.09 | amphi | jelly-home: it's not like it's hard to spin the disk down |
| 01:48.10 | dondelelcaro | trhat's great; if someone here knew, they would have asnwered. Search google for it instead of bothering us |
| 01:48.11 | merlincorey | does anyone know the install package for tor these days? |
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| 01:48.49 | dak | amphi: its small tho |
| 01:48.49 | jelly-home | amphi: this one works out of the box. hibernate takes about a minute to become usable for me. |
| 01:48.49 | amphi | dak: small? |
| 01:48.49 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: 'tor' |
| 01:48.49 | merlincorey | dak, just try it already |
| 01:49.03 | amphi | jelly-home: it boots instantly? |
| 01:49.07 | merlincorey | dondelelcaro, did I break something, because apt tells me it is referenced but not installable |
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| 01:49.12 | dondelelcaro | !+info tor |
| 01:49.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | merlincorey: it's not sarge or etch IIRC |
| 01:49.21 | amphi | jelly-home: this hp thing I mean |
| 01:49.21 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.1.26-1 (sid), Packaged size: 818 kB, Installed size: 1628 kB |
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| 01:49.26 | merlincorey | abrotman, ah, thank you |
| 01:49.29 | jelly-home | amphi: I'm betting it works better than uswsusp! |
| 01:49.31 | dak | well |
| 01:49.32 | dak | yo |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | merlincorey: it is at bpo |
| 01:49.41 | amphi | jelly-home: windows + media player doesn't sound like it |
| 01:49.44 | dak | maybe ill just install lilo on a usb pen drive |
| 01:50.01 | abrotman | merlincorey: there's a standing RC bug against tor to keep it out of the releases |
| 01:50.19 | amphi | jelly-home: after using mplayer, the windows thing would be a nightmare |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | or was last i checked anyways :) |
| 01:50.43 | merlincorey | abrotman, interesting; aren't those generally things like incompleteness of the package such as no manpage? |
| 01:50.55 | Canute | I just installed apache 2.2.3 from backports - and now it's complaining about php5, which makes sense. Where can I get php5 compiled for apache2.2? |
| 01:50.59 | jelly-home | amphi: meh, I've used mplayer and WMP9... prefer vlc on Windows actually |
| 01:51.03 | merlincorey | anywho, I think I'll go with a backport for now, because I was hoping to keep this laptop in testing |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | merlincorey: tor is still changing quite a bit .. and i suppose using antiquated versions could cause problems in the tor network .. |
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| 01:51.38 | dak | merlincorey: you're wrong i t wont work |
| 01:51.39 | trend | hello |
| 01:51.43 | dak | needs windows boot loader |
| 01:51.44 | amphi | jelly-home: mplayer works well for me; no interface at all is just the sort of interface I like ;) |
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| 01:51.49 | abrotman | merlincorey: you might ask the maintainer .. he might keep packages for sarge/etch handy |
| 01:51.55 | trend | when I mount /dev/sdb2 it says you must speficy filesystem type.. how can I find this out? |
| 01:52.04 | merlincorey | abrotman, so, if I intend to really use it, I should likely think about moving to unstable? |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | merlincorey: or compile it from source ? |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | using stow/checkinstall |
| 01:52.20 | merlincorey | dak, how am I wrong? I never said it was certainly going to |
| 01:52.24 | merlincorey | dak, go suck an egg |
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| 01:52.45 | merlincorey | ah, yes, SOURCE |
| 01:52.46 | merlincorey | :P |
| 01:52.48 | pipeline | amphi: mplayer has a nicer CLI than vlc, that's for damn sure. I hate the vlc cli. |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | merlincorey: or use the debian source package on your testing install |
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| 01:53.10 | Guerin | dak: if you already knew this, why the fuck did you ask? |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | merlincorey: and there are caveats with tor |
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| 01:53.20 | jelly-home | pipeline: he doesn't care about the interface :-) |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | Guerin: i think he has you on ignore? |
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| 01:53.31 | Guerin | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 01:53.49 | trend | format is: Format :Mac OS Extended (Journaled) |
| 01:53.52 | merlincorey | Guerin, thanks though, mate :) |
| 01:53.53 | trend | how can I tell that to mount? |
| 01:54.13 | Guerin | trend: #debianppc might know |
| 01:54.23 | trend | oh, ok..cool thanks |
| 01:54.23 | Guerin | trend: reading `man mount' might also give hints |
| 01:54.52 | debiangrl | how long does wine take to make? |
| 01:55.05 | idealbsd | which package enable apache2 with "Virtual Directory Support", <? phpInfo(); ?> says that it was disabled |
| 01:55.05 | merlincorey | abrotman, so, basically, I either have to go to unstable or I will be having to keep up with changes and compiling from the source package on my testing distrobution? |
| 01:55.06 | abrotman | ask #winehq |
| 01:55.18 | jelly-home | debiangrl: 2-3 months, and a few years in good barrels |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | merlincorey: AFAIK .. yes |
| 01:55.27 | merlincorey | cool, thanks |
| 01:55.37 | merlincorey | it's not THAT important right now so I guess I can wait or try a backport first |
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| 01:55.41 | merlincorey | good to know, though |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | merlincorey: i mean .. you can just try the unstable package on testing .. but itmight explode |
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| 01:55.50 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 01:56.09 | Harzilein | can i have defoma assistance with installing per-user fonts as well? |
| 01:56.17 | merlincorey | heh, if I was just gonna try the unstable package, I think I'd just move it to unstable, that way I could have more spectacular explosions |
| 01:56.51 | Harzilein | merlincorey: well, right now unstable is pretty much like testing and experimental is what's usually unstable |
| 01:57.09 | woburn | i can browse the mysql page online but when i save the page to /var/www and try to browse it at http://localhost/, i get all text. it is a xhtml file. do i have to install a package for it? |
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| 01:58.04 | Harzilein | merlincorey: i've been doing -t unstable installs (with default version testing) for several weeks now and nothing exploded |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | yet :) |
| 01:58.47 | merlincorey | lol |
| 01:58.55 | merlincorey | yeah, I need this laptop to not explode right now |
| 01:58.57 | Harzilein | abrotman: i wanted all the nice new features from xfce 4.4 ;) |
| 01:59.01 | merlincorey | because it's this or the headless server |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | greedy! |
| 01:59.23 | jelly-home | Harzilein: xfce 4.4.0 from experimental works a-ok on etch |
| 01:59.32 | merlincorey | but I am glad to hear that if I have to mix and match like I'm some debian based distro then I might be alright for a minute |
| 01:59.35 | Harzilein | jelly-home: just what i am saying |
| 01:59.51 | jelly-home | Harzilein: oh, all right then! |
| 01:59.58 | Harzilein | jelly-home: iirc i also pulled something from experimental to have hal support in thunar work |
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| 02:00.22 | trend | hello.. |
| 02:00.24 | jelly-home | Harzilein: I've seen it took newer gtk+ and was a bit worried about that |
| 02:00.34 | trend | quick please (my hd is dying0 how can you cp a folder to another location? |
| 02:00.42 | Harzilein | jelly-home: now the composite patch for vte and xfce-terminal has got to get into the upstream-release and i am content |
| 02:00.45 | trend | i do: cp folder /locatio/ and i get cp: ommitting dir |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | -r |
| 02:01.00 | woburn | it seems the problem applies to all non-php files. |
| 02:01.04 | jelly-home | trend: simplest way is to add -a option |
| 02:01.24 | trend | ok wow.. thanks guys... this HD is dying.. hopefully i get all the data off |
| 02:01.41 | trend | thanks soooooo mcuh.. i was freaking out.. hoepfully it all gets off :) |
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| 02:01.59 | trend | lol |
| 02:02.00 | Harzilein | any answers on my defoma question? (if i can use it for per-user installs as well, got a nice ttf font and want to have it available in my apps) |
| 02:02.21 | Kronuz | hey, I compiled the kernel with bootsplash support (I did that the other day too) |
| 02:02.38 | Kronuz | but after this last compilation it no longer shows the bootsplash |
| 02:02.47 | Kronuz | and I don't know why or how to check why |
| 02:03.03 | Kronuz | supposedly the support is there in the kernel... how can I verify this? |
| 02:03.09 | Harzilein | i think the default kernel should get bootsplash as well, as i think it can be disabled (or is disabled even the default?) |
| 02:03.53 | Harzilein | Kronuz: uhm, maybe strings vmlinuz? ;) |
| 02:04.07 | Kronuz | but how? |
| 02:04.18 | Kronuz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.33 | jelly-home | Kronuz: is it a config option? |
| 02:04.52 | Kronuz | it's a config option in the .config of the kernel, yes |
| 02:04.54 | Kronuz | but it's on |
| 02:04.59 | Kronuz | (or it should be) |
| 02:05.08 | jelly-home | Kronuz: look at your config to confirm, then |
| 02:05.25 | Kronuz | CONFIG_BOOTSPLASH=y |
| 02:05.26 | Kronuz | yes |
| 02:05.28 | Kronuz | it's there |
| 02:05.45 | Kronuz | and I had it working the last time I compiled the kernel |
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| 02:05.55 | Kronuz | it just doesn't work this time for some reason |
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| 02:06.15 | Kronuz | meybe I'm missing something; I also added VGA=791 splash=silent to the menu.lst |
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| 02:06.23 | jelly-home | doesn't sound like a Debian problem |
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| 02:07.02 | kussik_ | can someone here help me fix my screen resolution please? |
| 02:08.04 | woburn | just realise this. if i download a webpage without a .html extension to /var/www, i can access it via http://localhost with konqueror but not firefox. once i add the file extension, firefox works. why? |
| 02:08.11 | jelly-home | Kronuz: though it could be if bootsplash uses some user-space component and it was upgraded |
| 02:08.44 | Kronuz | I wish there was a way to test it without having to reboot |
| 02:08.52 | Kronuz | or to see in a log why it isn't working |
| 02:09.17 | jelly-home | woburn: konqureror acts smart and tries to guess its type based on contents, instead of using what the web server told it to? |
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| 02:10.48 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 02:10.49 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 02:11.05 | jelly-home | woburn: if the file type reported by web server isn't text/html, the browser shouldn't try to render it as html. |
| 02:11.38 | Kronuz | I was using VGA=791 and it was working just yesterday |
| 02:12.54 | Canute | Where can I get a libapache2-mod-php5 which is compiled for apache 2.2 instead of 2.0? |
| 02:12.56 | jelly-home | Kronuz: have you typed VGA in caps like here? |
| 02:13.02 | Kronuz | yeo |
| 02:13.04 | Kronuz | yep |
| 02:13.16 | jelly-home | Kronuz: because AFAIK it should be vga=... |
| 02:13.31 | Kronuz | dmesg show it's been activated in silent mode but it doesn't show anything |
| 02:13.40 | Kronuz | I'll try lowercase next |
| 02:13.46 | jelly-home | Kronuz: do you get a framebuffer at all? |
| 02:13.58 | Kronuz | nope, I don't think so |
| 02:14.06 | jelly-home | that might be it, then |
| 02:14.23 | jelly-home | in Linux/Unix, case matters |
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| 02:16.28 | Kronuz | I'll check with lowercase |
| 02:16.29 | Kronuz | okay, vga=791 splash=silent |
| 02:16.29 | Kronuz | brb |
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| 02:18.23 | jetscreamer | DONT FUCK WITH MY FACTOIDS JUST DELETE THEM |
| 02:18.35 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
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| 02:18.47 | Kronuz | yep, that was it |
| 02:18.54 | Kronuz | vga must be in lowercase |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: maybe you should make useful factoids :) |
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| 02:19.27 | jetscreamer | abrotman: if they're not useful you can make your own |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i have no idea which factoid you're referring to |
| 02:19.45 | jetscreamer | most |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | !most |
| 02:19.49 | dpkg | most is, like, more or less the same. a pager(1). apt-get install most |
| 02:19.51 | jetscreamer | that i did |
| 02:19.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:20.44 | jetscreamer | i probably wasn't meaning you anyway |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | probably ? |
| 02:20.51 | jetscreamer | with more you can't scroll |
| 02:20.55 | Guerin | jetscreamer: factoids are a communually-helpd resource |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | i know .. but i've never used most |
| 02:21.14 | Guerin | jetscreamer: if you want proprietary factoids, perhaps you should consider contributing them to a different channel :) |
| 02:21.30 | Harzilein | there should be a debian package that syncs with the factoids imho |
| 02:21.34 | jetscreamer | or not contributing at all... small loss eh. good idea though. |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: which factoid ? |
| 02:21.50 | jetscreamer | ro-ntfs |
| 02:21.54 | jetscreamer | ronts |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | !ro-ntfs |
| 02:22.04 | Guerin | Harzilein: notwithstanding the fact that many of them are outdated, senseless, or just plain wrong |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | nothing there ... |
| 02:22.05 | jetscreamer | it's now ntfsro and mutilated |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 02:22.14 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | bah .. it's been like that for ages |
| 02:22.36 | jetscreamer | !factinfo ntfsro |
| 02:22.36 | dpkg | ntfsro -- last modified at Fri Dec 2 01:24:10 2005 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 47 times, last by abrotman, 23s ago. |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:22.57 | jetscreamer | i knew i'd find that name... now i can't get mad |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but it points to something else you wrote |
| 02:23.10 | Kronuz | what's the HPLIP thing...? |
| 02:23.16 | Guerin | sure you can ... just won't do any good :) |
| 02:23.16 | Kronuz | it takes too long to start/stop |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | !literal ntfsro |
| 02:23.18 | dpkg | "ntfsro" is "<reply> see read-ntfs" |
| 02:23.24 | Guerin | Kronuz: printing shite, mostly broken |
| 02:23.27 | abrotman | !factinfo read-ntfs |
| 02:23.27 | dpkg | read-ntfs -- created by jetscreamer <~jetscream@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> at Wed Dec 29 01:50:45 2004 (824 days); it has been requested 98 times, last by abrotman, 1m 14s ago. |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:23.37 | Kronuz | hmm |
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| 02:24.01 | jetscreamer | problem: that's not what i wrote |
| 02:24.17 | abrotman | uhm .. yes it is |
| 02:24.18 | Guerin | jetscreamer: build a bridge, dawg |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | the bot doesn't lie! |
| 02:24.25 | FuzzyB | is there a way to install only a select few packages of sid and have the rest of your machine remain etch? |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | !tell FuzzyB about pinning |
| 02:24.46 | Pobega | !apt-pinning |
| 02:24.46 | dpkg | methinks apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you apparently wrote that .. 2.5 years ago or so |
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| 02:27.15 | jetscreamer | yes. but it's been modified since then imo |
| 02:27.25 | abrotman | no .. it hasn't |
| 02:27.34 | abrotman | it's never been modified |
| 02:27.43 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 02:27.48 | jetscreamer | !forget read-ntfs |
| 02:27.49 | dpkg | i forgot read-ntfs, jetscreamer |
| 02:28.00 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:28.12 | Pobega | I don't understand this. Why make dpkg forget it? |
| 02:28.14 | jetscreamer | it's flawed |
| 02:28.16 | Pobega | What am I missing here? |
| 02:28.25 | abrotman | because jetscreamer is blaming himself for a shitty factoid |
| 02:28.37 | Pobega | Oh, okay. So rewrite it? |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | it'll be worse |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | and then he'll blame someone else again |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | he's old .. kind of crazy .. has kids .. sells halter tops to old ladies |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:29.23 | jetscreamer | no i sell spandex to old ladies |
| 02:29.29 | jetscreamer | old fat ladies |
| 02:29.33 | Pobega | Wow, I'd be upset too :( |
| 02:31.57 | jetscreamer | !rontfs |
| 02:32.03 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 02:32.11 | squisher | Hi guys, if you install linux-source, does it include the same config that is used to compile the standard deb. kernels? |
| 02:32.16 | jetscreamer | doesn't work wow |
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| 02:32.24 | jetscreamer | uh not exactly squisher |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | you broke it ? |
| 02:32.44 | jetscreamer | squisher: if you don't have a .config in there is sucks in the 'uname -r' onw |
| 02:32.46 | jetscreamer | one |
| 02:32.52 | jetscreamer | aka /boot/config-whatever |
| 02:33.00 | rainabba | If I installed an i686/i586 kernel, would I be able to install/use .deb packages for i386 arch? |
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| 02:33.10 | Guerin | rainabba: yes. |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:33.13 | Pobega | rainabba: Of course. |
| 02:33.18 | squisher | jetscreamer: ah, didn't know that. But that way I do get a similar kernel, right? I basically like my stock debian one, but I need to get the perfctr patches in |
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| 02:33.39 | jetscreamer | yeah, basically |
| 02:33.46 | whaleofconfusion | hi |
| 02:34.08 | squisher | jetscreamer: thanks, I'll give it try and see what happens :-) |
| 02:34.14 | Pobega | squisher: If you re-use the config from /boot/whatever, then you're basically using the Debian stock kernel with your patches (Of course, apply the patches after copying over the config) |
| 02:34.22 | rainabba | Are there any performance benefits to x86_64 kernel for running virtual machines (with xen, qemu, vbox, etc...) when I've got an Intel CPU with VT? |
| 02:34.27 | jetscreamer | squisher: see also make oldconfig and make-kpkg --targets |
| 02:34.36 | Harzilein | and build a new kernel-package after that |
| 02:34.56 | Harzilein | btw, can i also make a module package without recompiling everything else this way? |
| 02:35.06 | jetscreamer | Pobega: the config of the running kernel gets automagically sucked in if there's not one (afaict at least) |
| 02:35.16 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: iirc yes |
| 02:35.22 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets |
| 02:35.31 | squisher | jetscreamer: Yeah, I've compiled kernels before... but usually I took looked through the options, and right now I don't have the time. |
| 02:35.32 | Pobega | jetscreamer: Oh yeah? I never knew that. It never worked that way for me :( |
| 02:36.00 | jetscreamer | i haven't compiled a kernel in 6 months though.. maybe i'm outofdate |
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| 02:36.18 | Kronuz | hey, what do you use to play midi files? |
| 02:36.20 | Pobega | I barely mess with the kernels, I have no reason to use anything but the Debian stock kernel myself. |
| 02:36.27 | Kronuz | totem doesn't seem to be playing those |
| 02:36.29 | jetscreamer | i don't either |
| 02:36.45 | Pobega | Kronuz: xmms has a MIDI plugin, just apt-cache search midi | grep xmms |
| 02:36.47 | squisher | I wouldn't either, if it wasn't for the perfctr patches :) |
| 02:37.01 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 02:37.04 | Pobega | Out of curiosity, what patches are you applying squisher? |
| 02:37.11 | rainabba | Debian release for i686? |
| 02:37.17 | squisher | Pobega: the perfctr, for performance measurements |
| 02:37.38 | Pobega | Ooooh, I thought he just miss spelled perfect. I'll be honest, never heard of that one before. |
| 02:37.45 | Kronuz | xmms or xmms2 ? |
| 02:37.54 | Kronuz | which one is the better one? |
| 02:38.06 | Pobega | It depends what you want Kronuz. |
| 02:38.13 | Harzilein | hmm... this is a gimp questions but maybe you have an idea: i want to extract a basically monochrome text from a basically "colorful" background, any way how i can use this to have it automatically selected for me? |
| 02:38.15 | Pobega | I use XMMS2 myself, actually listening to Oasis right now :) |
| 02:38.30 | Guerin | Pobega: you have my condolences |
| 02:38.32 | Kronuz | Pobega: do xmms plugins work in xmms2? |
| 02:38.34 | Pobega | XMMS2 is nice because it runs in the background, while XMMS seems to get in my way. But it's all personal preferences. |
| 02:38.51 | Harzilein | it'd be "selecting based on saturation" i guess |
| 02:38.52 | Kronuz | 'cause xmms2 doesn't seem to have midi plugins |
| 02:38.54 | Pobega | Kronuz: I am not sure...XMMS2 is based off of XMMS, but I don't know if they're THAT compatible. |
| 02:39.05 | Pobega | Can't hurt to try though. |
| 02:39.21 | Kronuz | was it forked? xmms |
| 02:39.24 | Kronuz | (to xmms2) |
| 02:39.30 | Pobega | apt-cache search xmms2 | grep plugin for the full list of xmms2 plugins. |
| 02:39.34 | Twiztr | Fuck. |
| 02:39.39 | Pobega | I don't think it's a fork, just a seperate project. |
| 02:39.45 | Pobega | Based off of XMMS's source. |
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| 02:40.06 | Guerin | it might be worth using if it would run in screen(1) |
| 02:40.12 | Guerin | ie, if there was a curses flavour |
| 02:40.21 | Guerin | until then, cplay remains the win |
| 02:40.29 | Twiztr | 82.96.96.3 is trying to portscan me. |
| 02:40.34 | Pobega | I like xmms2, just because I use the hotkeys in Window Maker. |
| 02:40.44 | Guerin | Twiztr: you seem surprised. |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | Twiztr: so what ? |
| 02:40.55 | Guerin | Twiztr: is this your first time on the wild wild web? |
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| 02:41.23 | Twiztr | heh, he left his SSH port open |
| 02:41.24 | kamoricks | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:41.25 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 02:41.26 | myren_ | per app hotkeys are weak |
| 02:41.27 | Twiztr | and his pass is passwd |
| 02:41.29 | Twiztr | woah |
| 02:41.35 | myren_ | real apps export dbus and let you use a keyboard binder for dbus |
| 02:42.09 | Guerin | Twiztr: you lie |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | Twiztr: noone here cares .. |
| 02:42.17 | Pobega | I just have hotkeys tied to the commands (xmms2 next, etc.) |
| 02:43.08 | kamoricks | myren_: Or dcop. |
| 02:43.13 | myren_ | yes |
| 02:43.23 | Pobega | I heard that asshole at 127.0.0.1 left his SSH on. |
| 02:43.41 | Guerin | Pobega: did he steal all your pr0n too? |
| 02:43.44 | myren_ | dcop worked fine with kde. and the command line tooling was good |
| 02:43.47 | myren_ | he's gone |
| 02:43.52 | myren_ | so am i. night all |
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| 02:44.01 | Pobega | Guerin: Are you in cahoots with him? |
| 02:44.05 | myren_ | dbus still has shite command line tooling. :/ |
| 02:44.18 | Guerin | Pobega: me? NEVAR! *whistles* |
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| 02:44.36 | Pobega | I wonder what the deal with that person was. |
| 02:45.03 | Pobega | Poster child for why children shouldn't use the internet I guess. |
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| 02:45.37 | Catachan | hey, does any one here have a way to talk with people on gtalk? |
| 02:45.47 | Guerin | Catachan: using any jkabber client you like |
| 02:45.50 | Catachan | like the google talk program ? |
| 02:45.51 | Guerin | s/k// |
| 02:45.55 | Catachan | well right |
| 02:45.57 | noone | abrotman: about what? |
| 02:45.57 | Guerin | gtal == jabber |
| 02:46.01 | Catachan | but I mean the audio |
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| 02:46.09 | abrotman | noone: that's a horrible nick |
| 02:46.19 | noone | :( |
| 02:46.23 | Catachan | I have been trying to get Jabbin to work but to no avail |
| 02:46.41 | Guerin | Catachan: it works. I use it daily. |
| 02:46.43 | WRATHCHILD | Catachan, gaim |
| 02:46.46 | kamoricks | (In case the previous lines didn't go through) I'm trying to install nvidia drivers the "right" way on Debian Etch, but the one-liner isn't working because of no nvidia-kernel-2.6 package. |
| 02:46.52 | Guerin | not jabbin, but a jabber client. |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | there are instructions at the gtalk site on making it work with gaim |
| 02:47.10 | Catachan | Yes, the instant messaging works fine |
| 02:47.17 | Catachan | but I am talking about calling |
| 02:47.24 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:47.26 | Catachan | VoIP |
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| 02:47.41 | Guerin | Catachan: what protocol does it use? |
| 02:47.53 | Guerin | Catachan: hint: if you don't know, ask google |
| 02:47.59 | Pobega | Catachan: Why not try Ekiga? I'd recommend Skype but...Non-free. |
| 02:48.21 | Catachan | Off the top of my head, libjingle, and speex come to mind as seeming to pop up quite abit on the Gtalk help pages |
| 02:48.31 | Catachan | can Ekiga do either? |
| 02:48.36 | WRATHCHILD | Catachan, http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html |
| 02:48.41 | Pobega | I'm *pretty sure* Google Talk doesn't work in GNU/Linux, although things may have changed since I last looked into it. |
| 02:48.55 | Pobega | Well, Ekiga can't connect to Google's servers but it does VoIP |
| 02:49.22 | Catachan | their program doesn't |
| 02:49.22 | kamoricks | Mmkay. So. Why is my nvidia one-liner not working? Did they move the nvidia-* packages to another repo? |
| 02:49.22 | Catachan | others are supposed to |
| 02:49.24 | Catachan | Jabbin is supposed to be able to do the VoIP with Gtalk but I can't get it to work |
| 02:50.08 | squisher | Does anyone know if there's a free software that can do voice group-chats like Skype? |
| 02:50.26 | kamoricks | Sorry. Silly user. I forgot to add the 'non-free' and 'contrib' lines to my sources.list file |
| 02:50.27 | squisher | without having to setup a server, I may add |
| 02:50.43 | Pobega | squisher: Ekiga |
| 02:51.05 | WRATHCHILD | Catachan, http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html |
| 02:51.15 | squisher | Pobega: really? I thought I had looked through their homepage like a month back, and I didn't find anything about group chats aside from using special servers |
| 02:51.41 | Pobega | squisher: I'm not sure, I'll look into it right now. |
| 02:51.53 | Catachan | yes WRATHCHILD, I have seen that |
| 02:51.57 | Pobega | squisher: I thought it did, but I never used it too heavily. My Microphone never worked in Debian, haven't been arsed to fix it. |
| 02:52.19 | WRATHCHILD | only gtalk support voice call, Catachan |
| 02:52.32 | squisher | Pobega: :-) I use skype for it, but it gets to me sometimes |
| 02:53.13 | Catachan | yes, however, that page is actually unchanged from the time they released Gtalk, (I would know, I read them all) |
| 02:53.18 | Pobega | squisher: I used to use Skype on Windows, until I found out it was non-free (When I switched to Debian). I avoid non-free, gotta stand for something in your life :) |
| 02:53.31 | Pobega | squisher: Looking on the site I can't find any useful information. |
| 02:54.01 | squisher | Pobega: Hehe, easily said about free<>nonfree, but unfortunately I can't avoid skype - too many people use it |
| 02:54.03 | Catachan | WRATHCHILD, here look at this sight, it is the Jabbin sight that should work with gtalk and VoIP |
| 02:54.04 | Catachan | http://www.jabbin.com/int/ |
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| 02:54.20 | Pobega | squisher: What do you use VoIP for, personal use or work? Just curious :) |
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| 02:56.12 | squisher | Pobega: friends & family. Hehe, the best is if you play online with friends and it seems like you're sitting in the same room. Pretty neat I think :) |
| 02:57.02 | Pobega | squisher: Ahh, I haven't played online games since PSO:Blue Burst was in open beta. I remember doing Teamspeak and Ventrillo though, fun as hell. |
| 02:57.27 | Pobega | Maybe tommorow I'll get my Mic working under Debian and get a call going with a friend in Ireland, I see Ekiga has a Win32 version :) |
| 02:57.43 | squisher | Catachan: where's the reference to gtalk on that page, I can't seem to find it. |
| 02:57.51 | cokeslut | don't know |
| 02:57.54 | Catachan | hmm |
| 02:58.01 | Catachan | right, I send better link now |
| 02:58.07 | squisher | Catachan: they might be refering to the jabber / messaging part of gtalk, not the voice part? |
| 02:58.11 | Catachan | http://www.jabbin.com/int/2006/07/14/jabbin-20-beta-available-to-test-it/ |
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| 02:59.07 | Guerin | Pobega: ekiga will also work with netmeeting |
| 02:59.22 | squisher | Catachan: Ok, I was wrong - it is supposed to work. If you can't get jabbin to work, you might want to google for software that uses libjingle, any such should work |
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| 02:59.46 | Catachan | wow, you know, I should have thought of that |
| 03:00.03 | squisher | Catachan: :-) That's what irc is for |
| 03:00.12 | Pobega | Does anyone have experience with Ekiga Debian to Win32 calls? I'm wondering how well this actually works. |
| 03:00.43 | Guerin | Pobega: works fine. It's all h.323 |
| 03:00.47 | squisher | Pobega: I don't know, but ie. the new skype version is supposed to support sip calls, which I imagine work well between platforms |
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| 03:01.31 | Pobega | squisher: If I can talk Ekiga to Skype I'd be set for life :) |
| 03:01.47 | Pobega | Alright, I think it's about time I hit the hay. G'night everyone. |
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| 03:07.39 | FuzzyB | how can i get a list of installed packages? |
| 03:08.03 | Guerin | FuzzyB: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 03:11.28 | SerajewelKS | is there a hardware-accelerated driver for this card? 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M |
| 03:11.33 | SerajewelKS | fglrx doesn't seem to work with it |
| 03:11.43 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: #ati |
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| 03:16.30 | rainabba | Is Debian released for i686? |
| 03:16.46 | Guerin | rainabba: i386 is i686n without the annoying bits |
| 03:16.47 | rahul | "for"? |
| 03:17.17 | rainabba | annoying bits? |
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| 03:17.35 | Guerin | rainabba: like the inability to run on i386, 486 and 586 machines |
| 03:17.37 | Guerin | that's annoying |
| 03:18.09 | rainabba | There's not a performance benefit to running i686 though? Using newer CPU features or the like? |
| 03:18.31 | Guerin | rainabba: not really. |
| 03:19.01 | Guerin | rainabba: the kernel, libc and a couple other things are the vast bulk of the benefit there, and they're already optimised |
| 03:19.13 | rahul | they detect it dynamically and use the new features |
| 03:19.20 | Guerin | install libc6-i686 if you want |
| 03:19.24 | rahul | stuff like using MTRRs for memcpy |
| 03:19.31 | rainabba | Does IA64 fall into the same category as i686, or is it more like x86_64 ? |
| 03:19.44 | Guerin | IA64 is its own arch, is it not? |
| 03:19.53 | rainabba | i686 isn't? |
| 03:20.00 | Guerin | not really |
| 03:20.13 | Guerin | i686 is i386 plus some extras |
| 03:20.30 | rainabba | So an IA64 kernel wouldn't play nice with i386 packages (like x86_64), or would it? |
| 03:21.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: there are bugs in the BTS for this card, so i don't think this is an #ati problem |
| 03:21.01 | Guerin | i don't know if IA64 is i386 compatible - I do know x86_64 is |
| 03:21.07 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ok. |
| 03:21.14 | rahul | ia64 is a TOTALLY different design from ia32 |
| 03:21.19 | Guerin | yeh |
| 03:21.21 | rahul | ia64 is kind of VLIWish |
| 03:21.22 | Guerin | that's what I thought |
| 03:21.28 | rahul | ia32 is CISC |
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| 03:22.29 | rainabba | x86_64 does play well with i386 packages. I was told that i686 would and in that I'm diferentiating x86_64 and i686/586/386. |
| 03:22.36 | rainabba | does NOT is what I meant |
| 03:22.50 | rainabba | In particular with vbox |
| 03:23.02 | rahul | rainabba: x86_64 can run as an i386 |
| 03:23.28 | rahul | ia64s used to have an i386 emulator built-in, but it was so slow as to be laughable |
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| 03:23.43 | rainabba | rahul: I don't doubt what you say because I don't know better, but can I use a .deb package for i386 on x86_64 (if so how)? |
| 03:23.55 | rahul | rainabba: why would you need to? |
| 03:24.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: according to the BTS it is supported... which makes no sense |
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| 03:24.05 | rahul | install the one compiled for x86_64 |
| 03:24.16 | rainabba | vbox isn't released for x86_64 |
| 03:24.19 | Guerin | rainabba: understand this: there is NO i686 arch for debian. Use i386, or amd64. |
| 03:24.24 | rainabba | ok |
| 03:24.27 | rainabba | Clear on that now. |
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| 03:24.40 | Guerin | some things don't work on amd64 - for those you need an i386 chroot system |
| 03:25.27 | rainabba | Guerin: That's not a virtual machine of any sort right? dpkg have a hint about "chroot system" ? |
| 03:25.48 | Guerin | rainabba: if you're asking this question, you need to be running i386 on your amd64 machine |
| 03:26.06 | Guerin | rainabba: it's not a major performance hit for most things, but it is *insanely* more convenient |
| 03:26.26 | Guerin | rainabba: but in answer of your question, see abd64.debian.net :) |
| 03:26.33 | Guerin | bah s/abd/amd/ |
| 03:27.01 | rainabba | What about for virtualization? If you say no, I'm just going to reinstall with i386 :) |
| 03:27.43 | hark | SerajewelKS: the radeon driver supports 330/340(M), according to man radeon |
| 03:28.22 | Guerin | rainabba: what about virtualisation? |
| 03:28.49 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:28.57 | Guerin | no, it's not a virtualisation system of any sort |
| 03:28.58 | rainabba | amd64 have any benefits where virtualization is concerned (like being able to host 64 bit guests) ? |
| 03:29.11 | Guerin | rainabba: oh, i don't know about that. |
| 03:29.24 | Guerin | rainabba: that might be specific to your virtualisation system. |
| 03:29.51 | Kronuz | hey, does anybody know how to activate the sound in all the SDL apps? |
| 03:29.53 | rainabba | Then I think I should look into the chroot system you mentioned. Better to do a little more work now and have options later than a LOT of work later. |
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| 03:30.16 | Kronuz | I have installed libsdl1.2debian-alsa but it isn't working :( |
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| 03:30.32 | Kronuz | what sound system does debian comes with by default? alsa? |
| 03:30.49 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 03:31.17 | Kronuz | I've tried stella, zsnes and fceu... none of them have sound (can't initialize sound, they say) and they all use SDL |
| 03:31.19 | Harzilein | i modified /etc/sensors.conf and ran sensors -s as root but nothing changed in the output of sensors (still ridiculous alarm settings) |
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| 03:31.32 | Guerin | Kronuz: what kernel? |
| 03:31.34 | Harzilein | any ideas what i am missing? |
| 03:31.42 | Kronuz | Guerin: it's 2.6.18 |
| 03:31.43 | rainabba | Guerin: Can you tell me what I should google for to learn about the 'chroot system' you mentioned (or a link) ? |
| 03:31.59 | Guerin | rainabba: amd64.debian.net should have it |
| 03:32.02 | Kronuz | the sounds work in gnome |
| 03:32.06 | Guerin | Kronuz: alsa. What card? |
| 03:32.07 | Kronuz | I can play music and all |
| 03:32.15 | Kronuz | it's an AC97 |
| 03:32.21 | Guerin | Kronuz: ok. You might try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:32.27 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 03:32.27 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 03:32.28 | Kronuz | the one that comes with nForce4 |
| 03:32.36 | rainabba | Guerin: Looked like a file server when I hit it, if you could direct me any further I'd be greatful. |
| 03:32.40 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:33.04 | Guerin | i dunno. google amd64 debian i386 chroot |
| 03:33.09 | rainabba | ty |
| 03:33.15 | Guerin | or somesuch |
| 03:33.18 | Kronuz | CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 03:33.32 | Guerin | Kronuz: 15:32:30 < Guerin> Kronuz: ok. You might try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:33.44 | Kronuz | Guerin: the weird thing is the sound works in gnome... |
| 03:34.05 | Kronuz | I don't have the sdl libraries for oss |
| 03:34.05 | Guerin | Kronuz: you might alsonneed to kill teh esd |
| 03:34.15 | Kronuz | is it esd? |
| 03:34.19 | Kronuz | (the default) |
| 03:34.30 | Guerin | Kronuz: esd is in gnome. I don't know if it's default. |
| 03:34.31 | Kronuz | how can I tell if it's alsa, oss, esd... etc. |
| 03:34.34 | Kronuz | oh |
| 03:34.38 | Guerin | ok, hold up |
| 03:34.41 | rainabba | Guerin: "Running 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel " sound right? |
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| 03:34.55 | Guerin | oss and alsa are smiliar. esd and sdl are nothing like either |
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| 03:35.26 | Guerin | rainabba: nope. You'd be running a 32-bit system inside a 64-bit system, with a 64-bit kernel. |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | Kronuz: just do what I said, see if it works |
| 03:35.54 | jetscreamer | sdl is sound?? |
| 03:36.07 | rainabba | Guerin: "Using an IA32 chroot to run 32bit applications" then? |
| 03:36.24 | Guerin | rainabba: sounds like a hit |
| 03:36.31 | rainabba | :) |
| 03:36.33 | Kronuz | Guerin: no need to |
| 03:36.43 | Kronuz | I just needed to know esd was the one working right now |
| 03:36.52 | Kronuz | what I did was get the libsdl for esd |
| 03:36.56 | Kronuz | and that's it |
| 03:37.03 | Guerin | oh, cool |
| 03:37.15 | Kronuz | (I had the alsa there, 'cause I thought alsa was the one being use in my system by default) |
| 03:37.29 | rainabba | Guerin: With this setup, apps will see a 32bit kernel (or i386) instead of amd64 right? |
| 03:37.49 | Kronuz | now everything has sounds :) |
| 03:38.09 | Guerin | rainabba: no. They'll see the 64-bit kernel you're running, but will use 32-bit libs instead of 64-bit |
| 03:38.14 | jpin | Hi, is there a way of setting different timings on fetchmail mail accounts? Like check this account every 10 minutes, and this other account every 5 minutes? |
| 03:38.33 | Guerin | jpin: i swear this is documented someplace. |
| 03:38.56 | jpin | Guerin: can't find it.. :-/ |
| 03:39.13 | rainabba | Guerin: Will I be able to install/use i386 .debs then? I'm starting to get confused now because I just read that with the ia32libs package, I could already run 32bit binaries. |
| 03:39.16 | Guerin | hm, i hate fetchmail enough that I'm not going to look up the syntax |
| 03:39.20 | Guerin | err, config |
| 03:39.27 | Kronuz | well... gonna buy a pen now... any suggestions? ^_^ |
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| 03:40.04 | Guerin | rainabba: ok. Bear in mind that I don't actually use 64-bit. This is why I sent you to google. What I have told you will work, but there may be a more efficient way. |
| 03:40.14 | rainabba | All chroot does is alter how running apps see / right? |
| 03:40.19 | rainabba | ok |
| 03:40.20 | Guerin | rainabba: yes. |
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| 03:47.03 | Kronuz | hey, has anyone run corel draw 13 with wine? |
| 03:47.30 | rahul | heh. corel draw. |
| 03:47.50 | Kronuz | :P |
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| 03:48.17 | Kronuz | rahul: what would you suggest instead of it? (for linux) |
| 03:48.34 | rahul | what do you mean for linux? |
| 03:48.46 | rahul | corel draw isn't for linux, either |
| 03:49.07 | Kronuz | that's what I meant |
| 03:49.15 | Harzilein | inkscape |
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| 03:50.20 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 03:50.37 | Kronuz | Harzilein: do you know any way to import/convert corel draw files to it? |
| 03:53.21 | Harzilein | no, i don't use it because of the gnome dependecies |
| 03:53.49 | Harzilein | also, corel draw files refer to stuff shipped with corel draw |
| 03:54.11 | Harzilein | so the best solution would be to export them to, say, eps with corel draw |
| 03:54.17 | Kronuz | yeah |
| 03:54.31 | Kronuz | in the FAQ there's an explanation of how to export cdr files |
| 03:54.49 | Kronuz | I didn't know about inkscape, thanks Harzilein |
| 03:54.53 | Kronuz | it looks very nice |
| 03:56.33 | Harzilein | Kronuz: well, there might still be problems with those generated bitmaps |
| 03:56.50 | Kronuz | bitmaps? |
| 03:57.07 | Harzilein | Kronuz: well, the faq entry says you should just pull in the bitmaps manually |
| 03:57.14 | Kronuz | I wish it could open cdr files :( |
| 03:57.21 | Harzilein | but corel can fill objects with procedural bitmaps |
| 03:57.30 | Kronuz | I still don't understand about the bitmaps tho' |
| 03:57.38 | Harzilein | and those need to be generated by corel draw and can't just be inserted after the fact |
| 03:58.13 | Harzilein | iirc there's a linux version of corel xara by now, maybe it can import cdr |
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| 03:58.33 | Harzilein | but maybe not, xara is in fact a different product they got when they bought another company |
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| 04:00.25 | Kronuz | there's Xara Xtreme |
| 04:00.29 | Kronuz | which is open source |
| 04:00.41 | Harzilein | Kronuz: that's the one i mean |
| 04:00.50 | Harzilein | Kronuz: they opensourced it a while ago |
| 04:01.06 | Kronuz | looks nice |
| 04:01.10 | Harzilein | Kronuz: but as i said, cdr is pretty much tied to corel draw |
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| 04:01.56 | Kronuz | yeah :( |
| 04:02.03 | Kronuz | Xara seems for 3D rendering? |
| 04:02.19 | Harzilein | http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Googles_Summer_Of_Code#Native_Import.2FExport_of_Corel_Draw_.28CDR.29_files <- that looks good |
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| 04:02.37 | Harzilein | Kronuz: well, it just took the "fake 3d" corel users did all the time to new levels |
| 04:02.59 | Harzilein | Kronuz: it can still be used for completely normal 2d vector stuff |
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| 04:04.13 | Harzilein | Kronuz: with corel you just had that tool to shape stuff with perspective, and if you wanted it to look shaded, you had to figure out the gradients yourself |
| 04:04.46 | Harzilein | Kronuz: xara intoduced tools that were "3d aware", likely they have expanded on that a lot |
| 04:05.34 | Kronuz | I guess I'll try Xara too |
| 04:05.43 | Kronuz | it seems it has more features than inkspace |
| 04:06.24 | Harzilein | well, it likely has quite some more man-years in it |
| 04:06.24 | xsdg | Kronuz: inkscape? :o) |
| 04:06.35 | Kronuz | or the other one :P |
| 04:06.37 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
| 04:06.39 | Harzilein | because it has a long legacy |
| 04:06.55 | Harzilein | i mean, i've seen xara screenshots in... 1997? |
| 04:06.56 | Kronuz | yeah, inkscape |
| 04:08.06 | Harzilein | 1995 even |
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| 04:09.42 | Kronuz | it comes with a nice installer too |
| 04:11.12 | someothernick | hello, everytime i apt-get upgrade something pops up in the terminal like "bittornado (0.3.15-1) unstable; urgency=low". how do i close this and resume the upgrade? |
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| 04:12.12 | dondelelcaro | someothernick: q probably does it; but you've got apt-listchanges installed. |
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| 04:12.23 | sybariten | hi |
| 04:12.39 | someothernick | dondelelcaro, ty :) |
| 04:12.43 | sybariten | does anyone know what the name of a possible "Gnu screen" package might be? |
| 04:12.54 | sybariten | (debian/apt package) |
| 04:13.00 | Kronuz | is there a program to edit graphics (ther than gimp) which is advanced but easy to use? |
| 04:13.05 | centrx | sybariten screen |
| 04:13.09 | Kronuz | I'm looking for something like PSP in windows |
| 04:13.25 | Kronuz | (Paint Shop Pro) |
| 04:13.41 | sybariten | centrx: ah, as easy as that. i saw it now |
| 04:14.22 | sybariten | thanks |
| 04:14.51 | Harzilein | Kronuz: gimp should cater to almost all needs |
| 04:15.02 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: gimp or inkscape is probably what you want |
| 04:15.19 | sybariten | when speaking of this... i did apt-cache searches for "screen" and stuff like that, but that brings up a huge list of programs that has the keyword 'screen' in them. Is there any way to do an apt-cache search for a package with the exact name 'screen' ? |
| 04:15.27 | centrx | Kronuz openoffice has a draw program |
| 04:15.35 | Harzilein | sybariten: apt-cache show |
| 04:15.40 | Kronuz | dondelelcaro: inkspace is for vectors |
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| 04:15.51 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: obviously |
| 04:15.55 | Kronuz | the gimp is "hard" to get used to (to accomplish rather simple tasks) |
| 04:16.15 | multi_io | !apt-file |
| 04:16.16 | dpkg | somebody said apt-file was util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 04:16.33 | Harzilein | Kronuz: that stops after about 5 years as well ;) |
| 04:16.36 | dondelelcaro | it's not that difficult; you should be able to do basic things almost immediately; doing advanced things requires learning how to use it, just like photoshop. |
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| 04:17.16 | Kronuz | Harzilein: what stops? |
| 04:17.17 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: he refered to PSP, not photoshop, PSP is more simplicistic iirc |
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| 04:17.28 | Harzilein | Kronuz: gimp's interface feeling weird |
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| 04:17.38 | Kronuz | oh |
| 04:17.41 | centrx | Kronuz there are some simple paint programs too |
| 04:17.51 | Harzilein | Kronuz: i really recommend getting familiar with gimp |
| 04:18.01 | Harzilein | Kronuz: you can pull off nice tricks if you do |
| 04:18.03 | dondelelcaro | but when you've been using a program before it was 1.0, it's kind of hard to know what a "beginner" would think |
| 04:18.34 | Kronuz | yeah, what I liked about Paint Shop Pro is that it was really really simple to do almost anything and it was very very intuitive |
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| 04:19.05 | dondelelcaro | as long as "almost anything" was ridiculously simplistic, perhaps... |
| 04:19.09 | gpogh | msg dpkg wwer |
| 04:19.14 | Harzilein | Kronuz: most differences to windows is just terminology... is there anything in specific you used to do with PSP? |
| 04:19.31 | sybariten | Harzilein, multi_io: thanks! |
| 04:19.44 | Kronuz | it didn't have all the bells and whistles of Photoshop, but when you needed an image editor it was very easy to use (cut move and paste images and simple layer effects) |
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| 04:20.07 | Kronuz | pixel by pixel edition... I don't know... |
| 04:20.27 | Kronuz | I've tried gimp, but I find it not as intuitive as I'd like it to be |
| 04:20.28 | dondelelcaro | it's trivial to do all of that in the gimp; there are tutorials to help you get started if you're lost, even. |
| 04:20.33 | Kronuz | I guess I can get used to it tho' |
| 04:20.38 | Harzilein | well, i think you should read the docs on selection tools etc. then to get familiar with how gimp presents them to you |
| 04:20.52 | Kronuz | yeah, I've heard gimp is very very powerful |
| 04:20.52 | Harzilein | and gimp layers simply rock imho |
| 04:21.09 | Kronuz | I really should get into it instead |
| 04:21.38 | gpogh | are there any package issues in etch? I'm getting this after an aptitude upgrade: libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-13) but 4.1.1-21 is installed. along with a few other similar lines |
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| 04:22.20 | Kronuz | I'm using Scite for source code edition, Xara or Inkspace for vector drawing, gimp for painting, OpenOffice for word processing and spreadsheets... |
| 04:22.38 | Harzilein | Kronuz: and as dondelelcaro said, many artist people have been pulled into the gimp efford and provided lots of useful docs and tutorials for their kin ;) |
| 04:22.52 | Harzilein | effort* |
| 04:23.08 | Kronuz | :) |
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| 04:23.31 | Kronuz | the bad news is I'm having to convert lots and lots of files to something I can use in linux |
| 04:23.47 | Kronuz | (as I said, I'm running away from Vista, FAST!) |
| 04:24.00 | H2S04 | heh |
| 04:24.02 | Kronuz | the other thing I used was AutoCAD |
| 04:24.14 | Kronuz | I don't suppose there's something like that for linux, is there? |
| 04:24.29 | Harzilein | Kronuz: some proprietary things can maybe be used with wine |
| 04:24.55 | Harzilein | Kronuz: i have never researched it too deep, most things looked a bit flaky back then |
| 04:25.13 | Kronuz | ...plus, I'm an experienced C/C++ programmer, so I hope I can start making contributions soon enough |
| 04:25.15 | Harzilein | Kronuz: and of course autocad is a _massive_ app with ages of development behind it |
| 04:25.24 | Kronuz | yeah, I know |
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| 04:25.49 | Kronuz | maybe there was something like Xara, that's why I asked (I never heard of Xara or Inkspace until now) |
| 04:26.20 | Kronuz | also, I have this question... in my gnome, the WMF files show fine in the preview icons |
| 04:26.26 | Kronuz | but I can't open them... |
| 04:26.38 | Kronuz | how are they being shown (the previews) if I can't open them? |
| 04:26.41 | sybariten | personally i've never understood how people can put so much energy into adapting to a certain OS, for the sake of it... with all the sacrifices people seem to do, just for "the sake of it" |
| 04:27.06 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: what are you trying to open them with? |
| 04:27.24 | Kronuz | hmm.. dunno |
| 04:27.29 | Kronuz | let me see |
| 04:27.31 | lfs | I havent installed Vista yet, I have been using Debian for last ten days |
| 04:27.51 | Kronuz | in preferences it says ... Open With -> No applications selected |
| 04:27.58 | Kronuz | lfs: Vista sucks |
| 04:28.03 | lfs | I might have to break down though because of third party software. |
| 04:28.26 | Harzilein | "While there is no real feature equivalent for AutoCAD on Windows or Linux, programs like QCad, ARCAD, CYCAS, and VARKON are some free alternatives." |
| 04:28.34 | Harzilein | CYCAS was the one i tried back then |
| 04:28.35 | lfs | At work I have two computers, one Debian and other XP |
| 04:28.36 | Kronuz | well, is not that it stinks that bad, but what I didn't like is that it took them so many years to come up with a just slightly improved XP |
| 04:28.51 | Harzilein | maybe i should look if it has improved |
| 04:29.17 | Kronuz | what should I open wmf files with? |
| 04:29.28 | lfs | What is WMF file? |
| 04:29.36 | Kronuz | Windows Meta File |
| 04:29.37 | Kronuz | <.< |
| 04:29.38 | Kronuz | >.> |
| 04:29.48 | Kronuz | it's a vectorized graphic |
| 04:29.54 | lfs | Microsoft thingy? |
| 04:30.00 | Kronuz | I suppose so |
| 04:30.03 | Kronuz | (for the name) |
| 04:30.11 | Kronuz | but the previews are there |
| 04:30.12 | tastygoat | vista made my speakers POP so i nuked it, ended up with debian |
| 04:30.35 | Harzilein | ok, cycas wasn't free at all, i remember |
| 04:30.37 | Kronuz | I was so disappointing of Vista... |
| 04:30.43 | Harzilein | and the demo (alien'd rpm) sucked big time |
| 04:30.53 | sybariten | tastygoat: you changed your OS because you had a problem with the computer speakers? |
| 04:31.19 | tastygoat | yeah, you try and listen to crackling speakers |
| 04:31.24 | lfs | I was reading the OEM license for Vista, what is a OPK? |
| 04:31.39 | sybariten | tastygoat: well it doesnt sound very enjoyable |
| 04:32.00 | tastygoat | its like a millon cats being raped |
| 04:32.00 | sybariten | but then again i doubt it had very much to do with vista itself |
| 04:32.54 | Kronuz | too bad neither Inkscape nor Xara can import WMF files as vectors :( |
| 04:33.05 | Kronuz | I'll have to install corel somewhere and export the stuff |
| 04:33.15 | tastygoat | it could be becuse of my speakers but dosent happen with alsa configuered sound |
| 04:34.03 | Harzilein | Kronuz: hm, iirc wmf is a wrapper format |
| 04:34.06 | lfs | They probably have a thumbnail image attached to them. |
| 04:34.26 | Harzilein | Kronuz: so it might depend on the program they were created with if you can open them |
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| 04:35.23 | Harzilein | Kronuz: and also look if the wine people have stuff about wmf on their site |
| 04:35.24 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 04:35.43 | Kronuz | I have them in cdr, which is better |
| 04:35.49 | Kronuz | I'll just have to export them |
| 04:35.56 | Kronuz | and I was looking at arcad |
| 04:36.01 | Kronuz | looks advanced |
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| 04:38.53 | Harzilein | likely commercial though, right? |
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| 04:43.35 | Harzilein | things you should not do: tab-completing in /var/spool/mail on your uni's primary login server... |
| 04:45.22 | Kronuz | cycas seems to be the better option yet |
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| 04:47.45 | illwolf | hi i have just installed my new kernel 2.6.20 now how do i apply the 20.6.20.1 patch to it? |
| 04:49.25 | lfs | WHere is the patch from? |
| 04:49.25 | illwolf | kernel.org |
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| 04:49.25 | lfs | Not Debian? |
| 04:49.49 | illwolf | http://www.kernel.org/pub/lin |
| 04:49.49 | lfs | You have to recompile the kernel. |
| 04:49.54 | illwolf | and then what? |
| 04:50.15 | Kronuz | are there sound themes for gnome? |
| 04:50.15 | illwolf | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
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| 04:52.09 | Harzilein | Kronuz: google sez yes ;) |
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| 04:52.19 | lfs | There is a Debian way to do it. Someone here should know it. |
| 04:52.28 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 04:52.28 | GhostlyDeath | You're all hackers! All of you! |
| 04:52.32 | illwolf | ? |
| 04:52.38 | GhostlyDeath | April Fools! |
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| 04:52.45 | illwolf | retard |
| 04:52.46 | GhostlyDeath | got all of you hahahaha |
| 04:52.57 | tastygoat | why is ice weasel differnt then firefox? |
| 04:53.12 | GhostlyDeath | Because FF is propriertary or something |
| 04:53.27 | Harzilein | bc of the ff artwork being trademarked |
| 04:53.37 | tastygoat | lol |
| 04:54.00 | Harzilein | and they pose certain restrictions on its use that don't matche well with how debian develops things |
| 04:54.05 | GhostlyDeath | arg |
| 04:54.10 | Harzilein | +s |
| 04:54.14 | GhostlyDeath | There is media in the drive! |
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| 04:55.02 | Kronuz | okay, I have to go now |
| 04:55.15 | Kronuz | (couldn't find about the gnome sound themes) |
| 04:55.15 | lfs | What about Mozilla? |
| 04:55.19 | Kronuz | .... oh |
| 04:55.25 | Kronuz | but I had this question too |
| 04:55.39 | Harzilein | lfs: same thing |
| 04:55.55 | Kronuz | you see how the spell checker works in all gnome input boxes (underlining incorrect words) |
| 04:56.31 | Harzilein | lfs: if DDs want to use mozilla artwork they have to check with the mozilla devs for every "release". as there are upgrades between "releases" of debian, that would not be feasible |
| 04:56.35 | gpogh | I just ran aptitude upgrade and now I get this message" The following packages have unmet dependencies: libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-13) but 4.1.1-21 is installed." along with a few others |
| 04:56.59 | Harzilein | (the latter releases should not have the quotes) |
| 04:57.24 | Kronuz | well, I remember I had all this installed in FreeBSD the other day and for some reason it was working better; i.e. in both Ubuntu and Debian, some words that contain ' in them are marked as if spelled wrong (couldn't, shouldn't, etc.) but those were working fine in FreeBSD |
| 04:57.32 | Kronuz | any ideas why or how I can fix this? |
| 04:57.56 | Harzilein | count me out, i don't use gnome |
| 04:58.05 | tastygoat | what happens to all that obsolite code... |
| 04:58.17 | Kronuz | I suppose I only have to add shouldn and couldn to the dictionary |
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| 04:58.55 | Harzilein | tastygoat: if it is managed in a source management system it likely just doesn't get tagged for building anymore |
| 04:59.14 | Harzilein | tastygoat: otherwise it hopefully gets archived somewhere |
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| 04:59.55 | Harzilein | tastygoat: there are some developers who try to make a point by not providing old revisions, it think that's a bad thing |
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| 05:00.14 | Kronuz | oh well... |
| 05:00.16 | Kronuz | g2g now |
| 05:00.18 | Kronuz | bye |
| 05:00.24 | Kronuz | (thanks for the help) |
| 05:00.28 | tastygoat | bye |
| 05:01.03 | illwolf | ty |
| 05:01.04 | illwolf | brA |
| 05:01.22 | dimir | Early moin! |
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| 05:06.30 | tdn | How do I disable my USB cd-rom drive in my Thinkpad laptop? I want to save the power of keeping it on. |
| 05:10.15 | tastygoat | unplug it |
| 05:11.30 | GhostlyDeath | What FS are DVD movies? |
| 05:15.07 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: udf |
| 05:17.25 | squisher | Hi, why doesn't a kernel upgrade through .debs run update-grub anymore by itself? It used to, and now it stopped |
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| 05:18.04 | squisher | tdn: with a cdrom it would seem save to just unplug it if you umount any media on it first |
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| 05:18.25 | squisher | ups, didn't see tastygoat's reply |
| 05:19.21 | tdn | squisher, I would like to be able to do this from the computer and not by removing physical objects by hand :) |
| 05:20.41 | tastygoat | tdn: stopping power completely from any usb powered device isent very fesable because there is always some power running to the device |
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| 05:22.35 | tastygoat | tdn: im sure there is somthing you could do to stop the device from spinning up if you dont want it to though |
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| 05:25.56 | fantasma | in samba, when I am attempting to use the homes share, do I connect via \\server\homes or \\server\home\user? |
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| 05:27.16 | RoundyT1 | how do i shutdown a device or disable it from using up my power when sleeping |
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| 05:28.16 | RoundyT1 | how do i shutdown a device or disable it from using up my power when sleeping |
| 05:28.58 | tdn | tastygoat, I do not want to stop it from spinning. I do want to stop power from running to the device! |
| 05:29.53 | tdn | tastygoat, also, I know this *is* possible. Maybe not in Linux though. I tried following squishers advice by just removing the cdrom-drive thus crashing my computer totally. :( |
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| 05:29.56 | RoundyT1 | oh shoot. |
| 05:29.59 | RoundyT1 | you're in here |
| 05:29.59 | RoundyT1 | haha |
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| 05:30.10 | tdn | :) |
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| 05:30.43 | tastygoat | ok I've herd, (I use a cpu not a laptop) that sleeping and power issues are some of the hardest to solve because the problem is on the manufactuers side not the software |
| 05:31.25 | tastygoat | this is a general problem that linux people have been dealing with for a while |
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| 05:33.25 | zenbum | ACPI/APM is still a mess.... but rapidly improving |
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| 05:35.23 | tastygoat | a right click disable/enable would be a good idea for devices, It should be that simple right? |
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| 05:41.01 | pstickne | tastygoat, it should read my mind. |
| 05:41.27 | pstickne | like when I want to remove my USB HDD. it should be like, ohh, stop disk access. check. flush buffers. check. |
| 05:41.35 | pstickne | then I'll just pull it out :) |
| 05:41.45 | tastygoat | well i am working on the brain implant, if you could just please sit still |
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| 05:43.05 | tastygoat | I find the KDE info center is useful about finding information.. about things.. |
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| 05:47.14 | frankr | anyone know what the default dir for mysql data is? |
| 05:47.32 | peterS | frankr: no but I'd look in /var/lib and /srv if I were you |
| 05:47.38 | peterS | those are the usual places for that sort of thing |
| 05:47.47 | pstickne | man mysql # usually helps |
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| 05:49.06 | tastygoat | Things I'm paranoid about: being hacked, things reading my thoughts, aliens, satan. hmm what els. government. |
| 05:49.34 | vegiVamp | tastygoat: no reason to be paranoid about satan it's not as if he tries to hide his intentions :-) |
| 05:49.54 | peterS | sure he does |
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| 05:54.53 | tastygoat | things im afraid of: spiders, death, rejection, lonlyness, failer. |
| 05:56.11 | ApEtc | tastygoat: failure :) |
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| 05:57.18 | tastygoat | more like flailure haha |
| 05:57.56 | tastygoat | bedtime goodnight |
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| 06:18.18 | gpogo | I'm having some dependency issues in etch is anyone around? |
| 06:18.41 | peterS | gpogo: maybe, but you'll have to be a bit more specific, we can't really help you with just that information |
| 06:21.34 | gpogo | peterS: I ran aptitude update; aptitude upgrade and now wheen I try to install through aptitude it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-13) but 4.1.1-21 is installed. with a few similar lines following |
| 06:23.33 | peterS | gpogo: yeah, that's weird. gcc-4.1-base and libstdc++6 need to be the same version - but the same version of both should always be available. I don't know why aptitude thinks -13 is the latest version of libstdc++6 while -21 is the latest version of gcc-4.1-base. (both should be -21). try aptitude update again |
| 06:24.49 | gpogo | peterS: I've tried that a few times and it keeps spitting that out at me |
| 06:25.25 | peterS | gpogo: run 'apt-cache policy libstdc++6' to see whether it really thinks -13 is the latest available, or what |
| 06:26.07 | Snake-Eyes | Any one know if you can bind snmp to ip address (i have two interfaces eth0 and eth0:1 which is causing problems) ? |
| 06:26.19 | Snake-Eyes | *snmpd |
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| 06:27.34 | gpogo | peterS: it says -13 is installed and the candidate is -21 |
| 06:28.05 | peterS | gpogo: so in other words aptitude is getting slightly confused. try first upgrading aptitude and libstdc++6: "aptitude install aptitude libstdc++6" |
| 06:29.17 | Snake-Eyes | nm |
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| 06:30.37 | dexomsrc | What is a tool to check which processes are sending/receiving data on which TCP/UDP ports? |
| 06:30.48 | gpogo | peterS: doing that it suggests removing g++ g++-4.1 libstdc++6-4.1-dev is that safe to do? |
| 06:31.13 | centrx | dexomsrc netstat |
| 06:31.16 | peterS | gpogo: well, sure, if you don't compile C++ programs. anyway you can reinstall those later. or you can cycle through the choices it gives you, one of them should be to upgrade those things instead |
| 06:32.12 | enouf | perhaps a dist-upgrade? but only if their sources.list is not all screwy, i suppose .. er maybe gpogo specified an earlier gcc build env. recently to say, perhaps, build a module against a certain version of gcc (via export or similar) .. though I guess a simple logout/login would clear that up |
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| 06:32.48 | montoya | Hi |
| 06:33.04 | montoya | But today |
| 06:33.13 | montoya | exit new debian etch? |
| 06:33.25 | peterS | !topicsmite montoya |
| 06:33.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon montoya. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:33.31 | gpogo | peterS: alright, that worked perfectly. thanks so much for your help |
| 06:33.35 | peterS | gpogo: cool |
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| 06:35.24 | LoneWlf | what's the command that loads and then asks you for package groups to install, usually occurs right after an installation of debian? I can't remember for the life of me |
| 06:35.37 | peterS | LoneWlf: tasksel |
| 06:35.38 | LoneWlf | but you have options like... workstation, mailserver, webserver, etc |
| 06:35.46 | LoneWlf | thanks peterS |
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| 06:46.19 | The_Ball | What is the current names of the different debian releases? potato/sarge and so on |
| 06:47.29 | hark | !tell The_Ball about release history |
| 06:47.44 | hark | also /msg dpkg releases |
| 06:47.47 | The_Ball | cheers |
| 06:48.23 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 06:48.23 | dpkg | well, qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 07:00.24 | Toast | Hi, I have a problem with aptitude. When I try to run an update it get |
| 07:00.28 | Toast | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 07:00.46 | Toast | any ideas? |
| 07:03.15 | _mh | yes, I think it can't parse the package file at /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages ... |
| 07:03.56 | peterS | Toast: dunno, maybe that file is corrupt somehow - you can always delete it and run 'aptitude update' again. it will re-download the file. |
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| 07:07.29 | Toast | I notice that that file also exists with a .indexdiff file and also in the /partial directory. Shall I delete the lot of them? |
| 07:08.40 | peterS | Toast: you can, sure. any file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ can be deleted, really |
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| 07:10.44 | Toast | Thanks. That fixed it. |
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| 07:10.57 | Toast | It broke when /var filled up. |
| 07:12.04 | Toast | If I had reallised that so many things used /var in debian, I would have given it a larger partition. I will resize it eventually which should make things easyer. |
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| 07:14.19 | rainabba | There an easy way to update my etch install to the daily build? |
| 07:14.28 | rainabba | most recent one that is |
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| 07:20.58 | Ind[y] | "gnome-volume-manager --sm-disable" is on startup, but I can't see it on the Panel. Any help? |
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| 07:22.16 | smhar | hello |
| 07:22.19 | hark | that is not what it's meant for... |
| 07:22.45 | hark | Toast: to what? an updated etch or to something like unstable? |
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| 07:23.27 | smhar | I finally got to install the nvidia driver in my etch system, but after I restarted X and tried glxgears I got this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
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| 07:24.58 | hark | how did you install the drivers? |
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| 07:28.13 | smhar | hark, using apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 module-assistant then m-a prepare then m-a auto-install nvidia then apt-get install nvidia-glx then modprobe nvidia |
| 07:29.25 | smhar | hark, I followed the instructions here: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/152/212/ |
| 07:30.29 | hark | did you run drxx or change your driver to nvidia in your xorg.conf btw? |
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| 07:32.52 | smhar | hark no for both |
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| 07:33.28 | smhar | hark, I though it will be changed in xorg.conf by what I aready did |
| 07:33.54 | hark | smhar: check with grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:34.01 | smhar | hark and drxx: command not found |
| 07:34.02 | hark | does it say nv or nvidia? |
| 07:34.28 | hark | no, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure server-xorg.. |
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| 07:34.50 | smhar | hark, ohh.. it says nv |
| 07:35.21 | hark | yeah, edit it and change it to nvidia |
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| 07:35.34 | Ind[y] | I want to run 3 commands (I can make them one with &&) after everything else runs, on boot. How can I do this? |
| 07:35.52 | ofer | Ind[y], create your /usr/local/bin/ script |
| 07:35.57 | ofer | then link to it using update-rc.d |
| 07:36.24 | Ind[y] | How do I link to it using update-rc.d? |
| 07:36.26 | smhar | hark, done, need to restart X .. thank you |
| 07:36.43 | ofer | Ind[y], man update-rc.d |
| 07:36.47 | Ind[y] | ok |
| 07:36.48 | Ind[y] | thx |
| 07:36.53 | hark | or put them in rc.local for >= etch |
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| 07:37.02 | hark | or bootmisc.sh even |
| 07:37.06 | Ind[y] | I am >= etch |
| 07:37.38 | Ind[y] | ofer: so, should I prefer rc.local? |
| 07:37.41 | dondelelcaro | ugh. |
| 07:37.54 | dondelelcaro | just create your own /etc/init.d/ script; use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point |
| 07:38.02 | dondelelcaro | there's no rc.local, so no, you shouldn't use it. |
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| 07:38.20 | hark | well, it's there in etch now |
| 07:38.26 | Ind[y] | ok |
| 07:38.29 | dondelelcaro | ofer: bin directories are only for things that you plan on running from the command line; init scripts do not belong there. |
| 07:38.31 | Ind[y] | it runs on startup? |
| 07:38.34 | cydork | dondelelcaro: there is rc.local since etch actually . |
| 07:38.47 | dondelelcaro | Ind[y]: if you use update-rc.d to add them, yes. |
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| 07:39.19 | Ind[y] | ofer: doesn't rc.local run on startup by default? |
| 07:39.30 | dondelelcaro | actually; yes, it does... |
| 07:39.33 | ofer | Ind[y], I don't know, I use etch |
| 07:39.39 | ofer | I mean sarge |
| 07:39.51 | dondelelcaro | Ind[y]: rc.local is run by /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/S99rc.local, so yes. |
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| 07:40.10 | cydork | dondelelcaro: me too :) |
| 07:40.14 | Ind[y] | ok, thanks |
| 07:40.17 | Ind[y] | ofer: me too |
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| 07:40.38 | hark | there's that rc.local factoid too |
| 07:40.42 | hark | !rc.local |
| 07:40.43 | dpkg | [rc.local] the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 07:41.18 | streuner | hark: feel free to edit that factoid :-) |
| 07:42.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, rc.local is <reply> initscript package versions after 2.86.ds1-1 have an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating systems. |
| 07:42.15 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 07:42.36 | cydork | :) |
| 07:42.38 | hark | heh |
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| 07:43.52 | Palish | Hi all.. I'm trying to figure out where mysql is installed to |
| 07:43.59 | Palish | I'm new to debian, so I have no idea how to figure out where programs are installed. |
| 07:44.19 | Palish | does anyone know? |
| 07:44.29 | HellTiger | want to run with alsa 2 aplications. one over /dev/dsp, the other over /dev/dsp1. dsp1 dont work. what can i do ? |
| 07:44.34 | SubStack | apt-file show mysql |
| 07:44.46 | SubStack | after you install apt-file of course |
| 07:45.11 | hark | hmm, dpkg -L <package> |
| 07:45.38 | Palish | SubStack: no results |
| 07:45.57 | SubStack | whichever package mysql is |
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| 07:46.07 | Palish | I don't know how to determine that :) |
| 07:46.10 | Palish | I set it up about 6 months ago |
| 07:46.14 | Palish | is there a master list of all packages installed? |
| 07:46.15 | SubStack | apt-cache search |
| 07:46.56 | SubStack | --installed to search in installed packages only |
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| 07:48.03 | SubStack | mysql-server is the meta package for the latest version, it tells me |
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| 07:51.36 | ma3x | why do file sharing applications require like 10 ports? |
| 07:52.00 | ma3x | what's the difference if you accept connections on 10 ports or simply all of them on 1 single port/ |
| 07:52.07 | ma3x | it's not faster or more reliable , right? |
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| 07:57.02 | Nibbier | ma3x, what 10 ports do they need? 1 per protocol...? |
| 07:57.35 | Nibbier | like edonkey needs 1 tcp, and maybe if you wish 1 udp. thats it. |
| 07:57.59 | Nibbier | mldonkey can take up to i guess 20 ports, gui protocols and a handfull of p2p protos |
| 07:58.02 | ma3x | Nibbier: yeah, but they recommend like having at least 10 ports |
| 07:58.07 | Nibbier | nah |
| 07:58.14 | Guerin | which is complete bullshit |
| 07:58.19 | Guerin | nothing should need more than one port |
| 07:58.20 | ma3x | why could mldonkey take up to 20 ports? |
| 07:58.22 | Nibbier | which application suggests that for what? |
| 07:58.29 | Guerin | because it's *fucking* *stupid* |
| 07:58.43 | ma3x | Guerin: I agree. but why those "guides" recommend having at least 10 ports open? |
| 07:58.55 | Guerin | ma3x: because they're written by feckin' eejits |
| 07:59.00 | Nibbier | Guerin, if a program handles 20 protocols it is usefull for it to use 20 ports |
| 07:59.02 | ma3x | hehe |
| 07:59.12 | ma3x | Nibbier: what program handles 20 protocols? |
| 07:59.16 | Guerin | Nibbier: no single program should handle 20 protocols |
| 07:59.20 | Nibbier | ma3x, mldonkey maybe |
| 07:59.38 | hark | 20 protocols?? |
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| 08:00.13 | Guerin | and in any case, it's the job of the program to accept connections and |
| 08:00.13 | Nibbier | Guerin, binary/http/telnet gui port, ed2k tcp/udp, bt, gnutella2, soulseek, kaazaa |
| 08:00.13 | Guerin | serve the correct data as needed |
| 08:00.17 | tarzeau | it's interesting, ubuntu has 35383 popularity contest participants. (about 3000 more than debian) |
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| 08:00.39 | Guerin | Nibbier: the point is that it's bound to be full of fucking holes |
| 08:00.41 | hark | do they install it by default? |
| 08:01.05 | tarzeau | hark: they say no |
| 08:01.06 | Nibbier | Guerin, holes? like security holes? you think those come by opening ports?? |
| 08:01.24 | ma3x | Guerin: so if you have 200 connections on one port isn't any faster or better than having 20 connections on each of 10 ports? |
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| 08:02.17 | Guerin | Nibbier: no, i think these come about when feckin' eejits overfeature their programmes |
| 08:02.34 | Guerin | ma3x: not in principle |
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| 08:02.49 | Nibbier | Guerin, no, i think you have no idea what you are talking about, honestly |
| 08:02.54 | Guerin | Nibbier: and given that *donkey are reknowned for being fucktarded, that would not surprise me |
| 08:02.57 | Guerin | Nibbier: hah |
| 08:03.14 | Guerin | Nibbier: it's simple, really |
| 08:03.29 | tarzeau | hark: have you got popularity-contest installed? |
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| 08:03.40 | Nibbier | very simple for you: the use more than 1 port - they have no idea about anything and are fucktards.... rofl |
| 08:04.00 | Guerin | Nibbier: more code means more brokenness. rolling 20-odd daemons into one program means many things to break |
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| 08:04.05 | Guza | hi |
| 08:04.12 | Guza | how can i install dpkg |
| 08:04.16 | Guza | ? : |
| 08:04.17 | Guza | :) |
| 08:04.19 | nxr | anyone know how to compile 3rd party modules into the kernel? |
| 08:04.23 | Guerin | Guza: if you don't have it instal;led, you're not running debian |
| 08:04.34 | Guerin | Nibbier: practically everyone |
| 08:04.36 | Guza | i running debian |
| 08:04.36 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:04.44 | Guerin | nxr: practically everyonr |
| 08:04.54 | Guerin | Guza: not if you don't have dpkg, you aren't |
| 08:04.55 | Guza | but i type apt-get -f install |
| 08:04.56 | Guza | :S |
| 08:05.09 | Guza | and that is remove dpkg |
| 08:05.10 | Guza | :S |
| 08:05.12 | Nibbier | Guerin, rofl omg..... "dont give me too much features please, i am scared" or what :D |
| 08:05.40 | Guza | how can i install it again |
| 08:05.46 | nxr | so in short how do you do it |
| 08:06.09 | Guza | i try to remove automake a.6 |
| 08:06.11 | Guerin | Nibbier: more or less just don't overfeature your shit |
| 08:06.11 | Guza | 1.6 |
| 08:06.26 | Guza | and something go wrong and says |
| 08:06.28 | Guerin | Nibbier: overfeaturing is the major cause of fucking crapness in p2p apps |
| 08:06.35 | Guza | try apt-get -f install |
| 08:06.35 | Guza | :S |
| 08:06.45 | Guerin | Guza: reinstall |
| 08:06.53 | Guza | how |
| 08:06.54 | Guza | ? |
| 08:06.56 | russo | how can i use aptitude to upgrade all upgradeable packages? or can apt-get do that also? do i just need to press U in aptitude? |
| 08:06.57 | Guerin | Guza: you've done something horribly wrong, but I don't know what |
| 08:07.01 | ma3x | Guerin: what do you use as filesharing application? |
| 08:07.04 | bhundven | Guza: what error do you get? |
| 08:07.10 | Guerin | ma3x: rtorrent |
| 08:07.31 | Guza | blah |
| 08:07.34 | Guza | i foget |
| 08:07.40 | Guerin | ma3x: and no, *donkey, gnutella, gift, etc aren't the real deal |
| 08:07.40 | ma3x | Guerin: and torrent site? :p |
| 08:07.44 | Guerin | ma3x: google |
| 08:07.58 | Guerin | Guza: /msg dpkg ig |
| 08:08.05 | ma3x | Guerin: depends - amule is sometimes good for finding rare files |
| 08:08.16 | bhundven | heh |
| 08:08.19 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:08.22 | Guza | damnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 08:08.26 | nxr | this channel is a fucking joke |
| 08:08.29 | Guza | it's remove ssh |
| 08:08.30 | Guza | :S |
| 08:08.33 | Guza | damn |
| 08:08.34 | Guerin | nxr: laugh away |
| 08:08.34 | Guza | :S |
| 08:08.38 | enouf | so's jo'momma |
| 08:08.44 | nxr | lol |
| 08:09.02 | Guerin | nxr: you ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer, and think *we're* the joke? |
| 08:09.03 | nxr | i am roflmfao |
| 08:09.06 | Guza | i must format server |
| 08:09.06 | Guza | :S |
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| 08:09.08 | Guza | shit |
| 08:09.09 | Guerin | kekeke, as they say |
| 08:09.15 | nxr | yes you are fucking stupid |
| 08:09.19 | Guerin | Guza: get your host to re-image |
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| 08:10.06 | nxr | zomgroflmao |
| 08:10.08 | Guza | Guerin: is there any packages source with new packages |
| 08:10.18 | bhundven | BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 08:10.20 | Guerin | Guza: yes. |
| 08:10.25 | Guza | i have 2 dvd's but packages are old |
| 08:10.33 | nxr | LOL |
| 08:10.34 | Guza | can u give me |
| 08:10.37 | nxr | LMAO |
| 08:10.43 | Guerin | Guza: reinstall, then come back |
| 08:10.53 | Guza | ok |
| 08:10.56 | bhundven | ok. so I need to get back to work... |
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| 08:11.17 | Guza | but i must install debian with newest packages |
| 08:11.27 | Guza | how to do that |
| 08:11.40 | Guerin | Guza: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:11.41 | h3xis | netinst? |
| 08:12.01 | Guza | i don't have access to my computer |
| 08:12.08 | Guza | ssh don't work |
| 08:12.11 | nxr | irc is seriously the gayest shit ever |
| 08:12.14 | nxr | peace out kiddies |
| 08:12.18 | bhundven | lol |
| 08:12.34 | Guza | only tomorow i can access to computer |
| 08:12.35 | Guza | :S |
| 08:13.05 | bhundven | <nxr> irc is seriously the gayest shit ever |
| 08:13.05 | bhundven | <nxr> peace out kiddies |
| 08:13.06 | bhundven | * nxr has quit ("Leaving") |
| 08:13.06 | bhundven | <bhundven> lol |
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| 08:13.19 | russo | does apt-get dist-upgrade upgrade all the packages that are installed? |
| 08:13.33 | rpc | i have a 280GB drive with 50GB of space left - is it possible to shrink the data and create a 50GB partition? |
| 08:13.39 | rpc | ext3 |
| 08:13.45 | DimmuR | russo: all available to upgrade + dependiences afaik |
| 08:13.58 | russo | k thanks DimmuR |
| 08:14.12 | russo | so when etch becomes stable thats all i'll need, right? |
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| 08:14.31 | rpc | etch isn't unstable |
| 08:14.33 | DimmuR | rpc: maybye try resize2fs |
| 08:14.49 | rpc | DimmuR hmm... sounds good but is it safe to use? |
| 08:14.50 | hark | it is testing however |
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| 08:15.10 | rpc | hark i use etch on production box for a few months.. not a single issue |
| 08:15.18 | Guerin | rpc: yes, e2fsresize or something |
| 08:15.25 | rpc | Guerin hmm |
| 08:15.25 | russo | bah i'm just gonna get etch now :P |
| 08:15.32 | Guerin | Guza: don't messgae me |
| 08:15.35 | rpc | russo do it and enjoy it |
| 08:15.39 | Guza | ok |
| 08:15.46 | DimmuR | rpc: just know this name never tried it |
| 08:15.47 | rpc | it's nothing like unstable and crappy one |
| 08:15.58 | Guerin | etch is ok, but don't come to us if it eats your kittens |
| 08:15.59 | rpc | DimmuR, Guerin thank you, readin up on those |
| 08:16.13 | Guerin | rpc: DimmuR is probably right, I'm guessing |
| 08:16.14 | hark | rpc: he never claimed it's unstable |
| 08:16.17 | rpc | it may happen on sarge too :) |
| 08:16.32 | Guerin | rpc: not unless you do something stupid like mix distros |
| 08:16.48 | russo | hmm debian is quite a bit easier to remotely manage than slackware :P which is useful since i run a server without a keyboard, monitor and mouse |
| 08:17.07 | DimmuR | rpc: try to make iso image ext3 and then try to shrink it using loop |
| 08:17.14 | DimmuR | rpc: then you have some test :) |
| 08:17.22 | rpc | hm that sounds kewl |
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| 08:17.45 | rpc | anyway... it will take LONG time to resize 280 giger... |
| 08:17.49 | rpc | i'm worried lol |
| 08:17.54 | rpc | 12 hours? :) |
| 08:17.56 | Guerin | then don't do it |
| 08:17.59 | Guza | Guerin:i install automake 1.9, but before i have automake 1.6. When i install 1.9 i run update-alternative --config automake and set to use 1.9, and u run automake --version, it's says that still using automake 1.6 can u explane me what i wrong? |
| 08:18.04 | rpc | i might quit that idea in fact.. |
| 08:18.04 | Guerin | you don't need another partition anyway |
| 08:18.13 | rpc | well i wanted that for a virtual machine |
| 08:18.17 | rpc | instead of vmdk file |
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| 08:18.47 | Guerin | Guza: you're mixing repositories, by the sounds. That is a guaranteed fuckup. Reinstall sarge, and come back and ask us about backports, or about upgrading to etch. |
| 08:18.51 | rpc | but after all... i wouldn't gain much performance that way, would i? |
| 08:18.57 | DimmuR | rpc: i just create iso image and format it and use as partition :) and all is on 250GB partition |
| 08:19.06 | Guerin | rpc: no virtual machine will ever *gain* you performance |
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| 08:19.08 | rpc | DimmuR hmm |
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| 08:19.26 | DimmuR | rpc: especially when i had to launch winxp from encrypted filesystem :) |
| 08:19.28 | rpc | does it really work? |
| 08:19.32 | rpc | lol sweet |
| 08:19.52 | DimmuR | i'm actually (at home) testing truecrypt and iso images |
| 08:19.52 | rpc | i wonder if vmware would accept such "partition" or "device" |
| 08:19.54 | Guza | Guerin: Ok tnx, i will come back when i reinstall debian |
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| 08:20.11 | DimmuR | rpc: u just mount it into folder and then use as normal partition - vmware works great with that |
| 08:20.14 | NetEcho | Truecrypt? isn't that a Windows program? |
| 08:20.24 | Guerin | no |
| 08:20.25 | rpc | DimmuR lol nice hint |
| 08:20.26 | DimmuR | NetEcho: not only - windows has gui version |
| 08:20.28 | szarak_ | not only |
| 08:20.34 | Guerin | it sounds like snake oil, but is apparently quite good |
| 08:20.38 | rpc | DimmuR but how is performance that way? |
| 08:20.45 | DimmuR | rpc: i dont run |
| 08:20.54 | DimmuR | rpc: i dont run games on that but it works good |
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| 08:21.11 | rpc | no games for me either :) |
| 08:21.20 | rpc | what i wonder about is: |
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| 08:21.25 | DimmuR | i even tried to run diablo 2 on this - and it worked fine |
| 08:21.43 | DimmuR | but i used only aes256 encryption on truecrypt it could be slower |
| 08:21.44 | hark | rpc: no more vbox? |
| 08:21.52 | rpc | if i create such iso and when i create a "real" guest filesystem in that space... isn't it like an extra cpu usage to read/write to such "disk"? |
| 08:21.56 | dm | Hello. I have a 700MB tar file (w/o any compression) containing an 8GB sparse file. That's also what `tar -tvvv` says. While un-taring, the size of the target file grows and grows but after `tar -x` has finished without an error, the resulting file size is 0. Any idea what could be wrong here? |
| 08:22.00 | rpc | hark nope |
| 08:22.24 | rpc | DimmuR how fast was that? |
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| 08:22.29 | loesh | dm what filesystem? |
| 08:22.42 | Guerin | dm: what tool are you using to measure the file size? |
| 08:22.55 | DimmuR | rpc: it use some cpe (if it's encrypted) but on celeron 2.2 / 1GB RAM i didn't see difference between using iso image and using native ext3 partition to store vmware images |
| 08:23.17 | rpc | DimmuR very nice then, thank you for this useful idea |
| 08:23.45 | dm | loesh: The same behaviour both on ext3 and on reiserfs. |
| 08:24.00 | rpc | reiser? uh oh. |
| 08:24.11 | loesh | dm ok then i dont know :/ |
| 08:24.17 | DimmuR | rpc: i use it for about 1 year (encryption with aes) and don't complain so i think it's worth testing |
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| 08:24.28 | dm | Guerin: `du` and `ls` |
| 08:24.42 | rpc | DimmuR hmm i'm really interested in trying this myself |
| 08:25.06 | Guerin | dm: how about stat? |
| 08:25.10 | rpc | DimmuR i just need to understand the whole concept first :) |
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| 08:25.58 | dm | Guerin: `stat` says 0 for the un-tar'd file, too. |
| 08:26.17 | rpc | DimmuR did you say that the encryption is done on host or inside guest? |
| 08:26.21 | Guerin | dm: funky. |
| 08:26.27 | rpc | was* |
| 08:26.34 | rpc | err is* |
| 08:26.46 | Guerin | dm: seems like tar is breaking the sparseness. Is there an option for it, maybe? |
| 08:27.15 | dm | Guerin: hmmm, maybe I should use "-S" for un-taring, too. |
| 08:27.22 | dm | Guerin: I'll try ... |
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| 08:28.16 | christianp | hi all |
| 08:29.38 | christianp | suddently i have network problems in my etch... all was working till friday evening, but this morning my pc doesn't connect to the network. A laptop connected to the same cable has no problem |
| 08:29.46 | christianp | what's the matter? |
| 08:29.58 | DimmuR | rpc: i just make iso (encrypted or not) image, format it as ext3, and mount via /dev/loopX into some directory. Then i use it like a normal partition/folder, copy files etc. When I'm done using i just unmount it |
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| 08:30.34 | Guerin | christianp: impossible to know without fuirther information |
| 08:30.47 | rpc | DimmuR oh i fully got it now... really brilliant stuff :) |
| 08:30.48 | Guerin | christianp: suggest a reboot |
| 08:30.54 | christianp | Guerin: tests i can do? |
| 08:30.59 | christianp | Guerin: done |
| 08:30.59 | DimmuR | rpc: i use kernel modules for encription and it's handled by native system - it doesn't matter if you put there files from vmware or something else |
| 08:31.04 | christianp | but nothing |
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| 08:31.22 | dm | Guerin: No difference: `watch stat <outputfile>` keeps counting filesize until tar finishes. Then it jumps back on 0. |
| 08:31.30 | rpc | DimmuR those modules.. are they public or some custom stuff? |
| 08:31.44 | Guerin | christianp: dhcp or static? |
| 08:31.49 | DimmuR | rpc: there are in 2.6.x kernels, 2.4 needs to be patched |
| 08:31.55 | rpc | i really want to try it right away ;) just working on the 50GB space right now so can prepare the iso soon |
| 08:31.57 | Guerin | dm: hm, funky. I don't know where to go now. |
| 08:32.01 | christianp | how can i get sure my ethernet adapter has no hardware problem? |
| 08:32.04 | christianp | Guerin: static |
| 08:32.15 | rpc | DimmuR so 2.6.20 will work out of the box? i really need to do some reading he he |
| 08:32.28 | Guerin | christianp: doesn the interface come up, correct ip and all? |
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| 08:33.35 | rpc | DimmuR but how do you prepare a 50GB iso image? does iso allow such size at all? |
| 08:34.09 | christianp | Guerin: ifconfig returns me correct ip |
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| 08:34.17 | DimmuR | rpc: i'm at work now and not sure but modules were in loop-aes-modules-<kernel> package and u need cryptmount and cryptosetup packages from debian |
| 08:34.18 | dm | Guerin: I think, I'll re-tar the 8GB source file and see if the tars are different ... |
| 08:34.21 | Guerin | christianp: swap out the card, see what gives |
| 08:34.37 | DimmuR | rpc: using dd u create empty 50GB file and then format it |
| 08:34.50 | christianp | Guerin: how can i "swap out" the card? |
| 08:34.51 | rpc | DimmuR oh so that's cryptmount thing that does the trick.. i was about to ask about that he he |
| 08:35.00 | christianp | ifconfig eth0 down? |
| 08:35.14 | rpc | DimmuR thank you once again - going to play with all this now |
| 08:35.15 | Guerin | christianp: turn your box off, take the card out and put another in |
| 08:35.36 | DimmuR | np :) now it's time to do some work :P |
| 08:35.44 | christianp | Guerin: it's a all-in-one motherboard :( |
| 08:35.48 | rpc | i will let you know how it went later :) |
| 08:36.04 | Guerin | christianp: then disable it in bios and put another card in |
| 08:36.08 | christianp | ah, ok |
| 08:39.57 | rpc | DimmuR are you still around? |
| 08:40.20 | rpc | DimmuR i just found out that using crypto loop isn't safe for journaling fs like ext3.. what do you say? |
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| 08:42.15 | Guerin | rpc: use ext2 |
| 08:42.37 | rpc | hm |
| 08:42.55 | rpc | then i have a problem as that would take redoing whole 280 giger |
| 08:43.43 | rpc | hrhmm.. |
| 08:43.43 | rpc | # ls -la |
| 08:43.43 | rpc | -bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory |
| 08:43.51 | rpc | what the hell is that? |
| 08:44.43 | psyco-obiwan | what again is the tool to repeatedly call another program (i.e. uptime) ev. X secs ? |
| 08:45.48 | Guerin | psyco-obiwan: while true; do foo; sleep X; done |
| 08:45.48 | rpc | true.. |
| 08:45.48 | rpc | but there is a nice proggy for that in fact |
| 08:45.48 | psyco-obiwan | Guerin: yep, but there is a std. unix cmd |
| 08:45.49 | Guerin | while is a nice proggy |
| 08:45.49 | Guerin | while is also a std. unix cmd |
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| 08:45.49 | psyco-obiwan | ;-) i just cant remember its name.. |
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| 08:46.01 | psyco-obiwan | isnt while more a shell command |
| 08:46.08 | mr_dd | hi |
| 08:46.11 | nachosx | yoh |
| 08:46.13 | Guerin | um ... huh |
| 08:46.41 | Guerin | psyco-obiwan: yes, of course it's a shell command. In this case. It's also a function in every programming language ever invented. |
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| 08:49.35 | BlueParrot | Gah. I hate proprietary drivers : ( |
| 08:49.48 | psyco-obiwan | thats when the unix concept of 1001 small utilities really sucks...when you know there is a fine tool but you can't remember its name *lol* |
| 08:49.50 | BlueParrot | so getting an intel card next upgrade ... |
| 08:50.33 | BlueParrot | Guerin: Fortran 90 doesn't use while :P |
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| 08:50.53 | BlueParrot | Guerin: supports it for legacy reasons tho .. |
| 08:50.54 | loesh | Guerin, neither does Oz .. ;-) |
| 08:52.32 | hark | psyco-obiwan: Those days are dead and gone |
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| 08:53.33 | psyco-obiwan | tapping with cmd completion from a-z on your debian box reveals a lot of interesting tools one didn't know before...especially what i looked for (watch!) - unfortunately it was at the end of a-z ;-P |
| 08:53.36 | hark | and the eulogy was delivered by perl |
| 08:54.17 | hark | you could use man -k or apropos too |
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| 08:55.02 | psyco-obiwan | hark: yes, if you know what you're looking for...but how can i find watch if i look for a tool that does what watch does ?? |
| 08:55.35 | deb87 | when it is stable debian etch? |
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| 08:56.06 | hark | !when will etch be released |
| 08:56.06 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, etch should be out by Christmas. |
| 08:56.14 | zenbum | psyco-obiwan: join #debian and describe what you want ;) |
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| 08:56.45 | hark | !rc bugs |
| 08:56.45 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 08:57.15 | dm | Guerin: I re-tar'd the 8GB file. No errors were reported. The resulting .tar is 100% identical to the first one :( |
| 08:57.24 | cydork | deb87: also /topic |
| 08:57.27 | hark | deb87: also /msg dpkg topicsmite me |
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| 08:58.25 | deb87 | i have |
| 08:58.35 | deb87 | debian etch when is stable release? |
| 08:58.38 | psyco-obiwan | zenbum: i did, but well nobody knew watch ;) |
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| 08:58.48 | zenbum | !when will lenny be released |
| 08:58.48 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, lenny should be out by your birthday. |
| 08:58.59 | psyco-obiwan | but to be honest, you guys have been very helpful on many occascion before... |
| 08:59.01 | tarzeau | did debian stable switch from apt-get to aptitude during installation? |
| 08:59.13 | zenbum | kewl.... lenny will be out before etch |
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| 08:59.29 | deb87 | debian etch when is stable release? |
| 08:59.33 | deb87 | from 12 april? |
| 08:59.36 | deb87 | 13 14? |
| 08:59.37 | tarzeau | deb87: dunc-bank.zoy.org |
| 08:59.56 | tarzeau | June 25, 2007 |
| 09:00.10 | deb87 | giungo? |
| 09:00.17 | cydork | heh |
| 09:00.22 | deb87 | not really |
| 09:00.57 | cydork | woot just 19 rc bugs! |
| 09:01.04 | zenbum | you may have seen reports that etch wasn't released yesterday.... ignore them, they were april fools jokes |
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| 09:02.26 | xand | i've told a ppp connection to be persistent (put "persist" in the file in /etc/ppp/peers/), but it doesn't try very hard to stay connected... any ideas how to make it so? |
| 09:02.34 | deb87 | cydork hour im ddos oyu |
| 09:02.38 | deb87 | you |
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| 09:03.09 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:03.20 | gypsymauro | someone uses debian on sparc classic here? |
| 09:03.30 | gypsymauro | I've problem with sarge netboot |
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| 09:08.18 | dm | xand: I never managed to persuade pppd to do so ... so I have a cron job that checks every 3 mins if ppp0 is still connected and restarts if necessary ... |
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| 09:09.09 | xand | dm: I did that but it doesn't work |
| 09:09.11 | xand | hm |
| 09:09.39 | dm | xand: works fine here on several Debian (and Ubuntu) machines |
| 09:09.49 | xand | it has "ifconfig ppp1 || pon xxxx" but doesn't work as a cron job.... works if i run it manually |
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| 09:12.55 | xand | dm: how do you do it? |
| 09:14.05 | liable | xand: see if wvdial can get pppd to do it. |
| 09:14.19 | liable | mine works persistently no worries |
| 09:14.50 | rpc | what kind of problem does it indicate when accessing disk causes both cores to be used at 100%? |
| 09:14.54 | dm | xand: I use "ifconfig ppp0 || { ifdown dsl-provider; ifup dsl-provider; exit; }; ping -c1 -w3 heise.de && exit; ping -c1 -w3 google.de && exit; ifdown dsl-provider; ifup dsl-provider; " |
| 09:15.11 | xand | hm |
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| 09:21.44 | FuzzyB | is there a way to get a debian installer to use a rhel installer driver disk? |
| 09:21.53 | xand | ewww |
| 09:22.28 | FuzzyB | i know it sounds bad |
| 09:23.24 | enouf | and will look much fuglier than it even sounds |
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| 09:25.56 | liable | FuzzyB: do you need to install some proprietry module or something? |
| 09:26.09 | FuzzyB | Intel ESB2 raid drivers |
| 09:26.20 | FuzzyB | they've got sles and rhel driver disk images for it |
| 09:26.23 | FuzzyB | it's not a real raid |
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| 09:26.46 | liable | FuzzyB: and your / is on that controller? |
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| 09:26.53 | liable | or, you want to put it there? |
| 09:27.21 | FuzzyB | it is my controller |
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| 09:27.31 | liable | the only one? |
| 09:27.35 | FuzzyB | ESB2 is a 6 port sata 2 "raid" controller |
| 09:27.38 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 09:27.51 | liable | its not supported by the newer kernels? |
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| 09:28.25 | christianp | is there a way to ping a mac address? |
| 09:28.41 | Falkom | hi, Please where do I can get a hardware list, plesae? |
| 09:28.42 | christianp | ping or something else |
| 09:29.51 | SlayerXP | christianp: aptitude install arping |
| 09:29.56 | FuzzyB | no it's not |
| 09:30.01 | FuzzyB | it's seen as a sata controller |
| 09:30.04 | FuzzyB | not a raid controller |
| 09:30.21 | FuzzyB | and crypto + software raid doesn't seem to work right now in etch |
| 09:30.29 | liable | FuzzyB: ah, just use software raid on it.. |
| 09:31.01 | FuzzyB | i can't |
| 09:31.04 | FuzzyB | i don't get my crypto |
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| 09:31.30 | nvz | I assumed the utility would have been arping, but didnt have it on my system and by time I searched for such a thing the question was answered already :P |
| 09:31.36 | nvz | time to go to sleep I guess |
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| 09:31.57 | christianp | thanks SlayerXP |
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| 09:34.41 | enouf | xand: looking around a bit The -T option causes pppoe to exit if no session traffic is detected for timeout sec- |
| 09:34.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.45 | enouf | bah |
| 09:34.57 | xand | o.O |
| 09:35.00 | xand | I don't have that set |
| 09:35.10 | xand | it'll stay up for weeks |
| 09:35.18 | xand | at least it would if the router at work wasn't broken |
| 09:35.41 | Falkom | do you know any gigaethernet 3com card good to use in Debian? |
| 09:35.46 | enouf | xand: that was from man pppoe and found settings in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider |
| 09:35.58 | enouf | oh .. ok |
| 09:36.00 | xand | I don't want it to do that, and it's not set to |
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| 09:37.37 | enouf | xand: there's also /usr/sbin/chat script references i found in files found using find /etc -name "*ppp*" |
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| 09:44.20 | rpc | i'm cping a file from disk 1 to disk 2.. cp uses 15% in htop while overall usage is 100% plus 50% of the other core.. what does that indicate? |
| 09:44.38 | rpc | isn't it sick so drive sucks up 3/4 of my dual core power? with a single file cp.. |
| 09:45.23 | enouf | your dual core sucks ass |
| 09:47.17 | rpc | you sound like a very clever person |
| 09:47.32 | rpc | anyone else? |
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| 09:48.26 | nvz | disk controllers usually work independant of the cpu anyhow |
| 09:48.28 | fireba11 | rpc: what file system(s), what HD type ? |
| 09:48.39 | nvz | oh wait.. I'm going to sleep |
| 09:48.47 | rpc | nvz that one is integrated with my mobo.. |
| 09:48.54 | rpc | hello fireba11 |
| 09:49.07 | nvz | rpc: so what.. cpu tells it to do something, it sends and inturrupt when its done |
| 09:49.17 | rpc | ext3 <> ext3 and sata 320 gigers |
| 09:49.25 | enouf | it;s an I/O, bus, udma, controller issue .. but still your DC sucks monkey gonads |
| 09:49.27 | nvz | rpc: cpu can continue processing other instructions until it catches an inturrupt |
| 09:49.31 | rpc | nvz so perhaps interrupts are broken? |
| 09:49.48 | nvz | how the hell should I know :P |
| 09:49.51 | rpc | enouf you don't even know my DC mate |
| 09:50.00 | rpc | so why bother trying to be smart? |
| 09:50.10 | enouf | !8ball controller |
| 09:50.10 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 09:50.40 | rpc | enouf don't you think that udma on sata is on by default? |
| 09:51.03 | rpc | and yes, i know it's one of those things.. i just asked how do i go about debugging the prob |
| 09:51.15 | rpc | to narrow it down a bit at least |
| 09:52.48 | rpc | it's strange but i'm reading from this drive right now and am sending a file to a backup server over gigabit |
| 09:53.05 | rpc | it goes over 30MB/s and cpu usage is like 0.5% now |
| 09:53.31 | liable | how are you sending it? scp? |
| 09:53.31 | rpc | so the problem occured only when moving data between drives |
| 09:53.34 | rpc | ftp |
| 09:53.40 | fireba11 | rpc: that's what should be normal :-) |
| 09:53.45 | rpc | fireba11 i know |
| 09:53.52 | xand | buy a new computer and run windows |
| 09:53.53 | rpc | but why isn't it normal during read/write? |
| 09:53.54 | xand | problem solved |
| 09:54.10 | xand | deb87: NO |
| 09:54.10 | rpc | where all those morons come from tonight? |
| 09:54.10 | deb87 | yes |
| 09:54.12 | liable | !beat deb87 |
| 09:54.13 | deb87 | im very lamer |
| 09:54.16 | xand | tard |
| 09:54.24 | enouf | !spank deb87 |
| 09:54.29 | rpc | really sad.. |
| 09:54.32 | fireba11 | rpc : is it the same the other way round ? :-) |
| 09:54.42 | rpc | fireba11 hmm... i might try it in fact.. |
| 09:55.08 | fireba11 | rpc : also try rading from ftp and writing to oe of those discs |
| 09:55.08 | enouf | !kick deb87 |
| 09:55.14 | fireba11 | deb87 : cut it out |
| 09:55.17 | xand | !ops deb87 abusing CTCP |
| 09:55.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: deb87 abusing CTCP |
| 09:55.22 | BudgetDedicated | Can apt handle 302 replies for repositories? |
| 09:55.42 | deb87 | ;) |
| 09:55.42 | enouf | what? |
| 09:55.46 | peterS | deb87: don't do that, it makes us think you're a script kiddie n00b looking for clients to sploit |
| 09:56.01 | RichiH | deb87: please stop |
| 09:56.10 | deb87 | im joking |
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| 09:56.16 | peterS | deb87: don't |
| 09:56.22 | liable | we aint laughing |
| 09:56.41 | rpc | fireba11 yes, same shit now... 0.7% taken by cp command while core1 is saturated 100% |
| 09:57.01 | liable | by what process? |
| 09:57.03 | RichiH | deb87: it's not funny, you know ;) |
| 09:57.08 | rpc | liable i don't know |
| 09:57.15 | rpc | liable none i believe.. |
| 09:57.23 | peterS | RichiH: if it's not funny, there's no need to use ;). sends a mixed signal |
| 09:57.24 | rpc | as soon as cp finished the core is 0% |
| 09:57.28 | liable | rpc: how do you know the core is 100% ?? |
| 09:57.33 | rpc | i see that in htop |
| 09:57.43 | rpc | each time i cp it goes 100% |
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| 09:57.55 | rpc | it doesn't when i upload via ftp though |
| 09:58.03 | rpc | wtf is wrong lol |
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| 09:59.06 | rpc | 1 [#*************************************************100.0%] Tasks: 54 total, 1 running |
| 09:59.06 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.12 | rpc | just look at that... insane |
| 09:59.17 | rpc | i'm cping that file back |
| 09:59.28 | peterS | thanks for not pasting in here |
| 09:59.40 | RichiH | peterS: thanks ;) |
| 09:59.44 | rpc | do i really need to use pastebin to show you 2 lines? |
| 09:59.46 | RichiH | :p |
| 09:59.58 | rpc | and is that all you can say? no help from you? |
| 10:00.02 | peterS | rpc: well, you don't really _need_ to show us those two lines |
| 10:00.08 | enouf | let the weekday games begin! |
| 10:00.13 | rpc | i want to show you because it's important |
| 10:00.25 | rpc | hard to believe that cp would suck off 4600+ right? |
| 10:00.30 | rpc | why is that happening? |
| 10:00.58 | peterS | enouf: if you're paying any attention at all, you'll notice that at least in #debian land, it is most definitely still sunday |
| 10:01.00 | deb87 | ;) |
| 10:01.04 | liable | i dont really _need_ another beer, but i think i will :) |
| 10:01.19 | rpc | oh so you are just drunk and i try to solve a problem |
| 10:01.24 | enouf | peterS: indeed .. thought we crossed the hump though ;-) |
| 10:01.24 | rpc | how stupid of me |
| 10:01.30 | liable | wtf? |
| 10:01.39 | rpc | later. |
| 10:01.49 | liable | rpc: i think you need to step off your high horse |
| 10:01.52 | peterS | liable: he's mixing up his pronouns. he didn't mean "you" when he said "oh so you are just drunk" |
| 10:02.04 | liable | i have had one beer... |
| 10:02.12 | liable | i just finished work |
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| 10:07.55 | shay | .' 1 |
| 10:08.26 | pokingfun | hi |
| 10:08.39 | pokingfun | where is everybody? |
| 10:09.13 | enouf | busy pokingfun |
| 10:09.16 | Guerin | pokingfun: everywhere |
| 10:09.57 | pokingfun | oh |
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| 10:11.31 | hark | !poke pokingfun |
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| 10:12.16 | loesh | O_O |
| 10:12.19 | loesh | a dildo? |
| 10:12.22 | loesh | used or not? |
| 10:12.35 | peterS | you can't expect dpkg to buy a brand new dildo every time she wants to poke someone |
| 10:13.00 | loesh | true that... |
| 10:13.03 | enouf | heh |
| 10:13.16 | loesh | pretty nasty to be honest.. |
| 10:13.23 | loesh | dpkg is a bit of a perv? |
| 10:14.55 | peterS | well, she _does_ use mysql. that has to be considered a factor. |
| 10:14.56 | loesh | haha :) |
| 10:14.56 | peterS | straitlaced people wouldn't do a thing like that |
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| 10:14.57 | loesh | <-- uses mysql :/ |
| 10:15.02 | loesh | well for development purposes.. so.. |
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| 10:15.36 | peterS | yeah, well. |
| 10:15.50 | peterS | I think dpkg uses it recreationally, which is much worse |
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| 10:16.26 | EvilGuru | Just looked at my cron job lists an am interested what a periodic redundancy check of MD devices is (it /cant/ be comparing the two RAID 1 devices byte for byte can it?) |
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| 10:16.45 | peterS | EvilGuru: yes it can. it does this once a month. |
| 10:16.53 | peterS | EvilGuru: first Sunday of every month, to be exact |
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| 10:17.05 | EvilGuru | peterS: that really does explain a lot |
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| 10:18.06 | peterS | EvilGuru: right. if you were to develop bit rot on one of your disks you wouldn't necessarily know right away, if it's a seldom-used part of your filesystem. the monthly check then lets you know something's wrong. |
| 10:18.17 | EvilGuru | but if there are discrepancies what does it do? |
| 10:18.50 | peterS | find out --> 'man mdadm' |
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| 10:21.30 | peterS | EvilGuru: I'm guessing it just lets you know |
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| 10:21.42 | peterS | EvilGuru: but I haven't actually read the kernel code, or asked anyone |
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| 10:22.03 | EvilGuru | peterS: I really do not want to ever be in a situation where I have to find out |
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| 10:23.16 | EvilGuru | Although I have been looking at the SMART data for my drives and one has read 600GB and written 100 while the other has read 400 and written 300, should the write not be equal if it is RAID 1? |
| 10:23.52 | peterS | well, not necessarily - if you're often overwriting the same sectors |
| 10:25.49 | liable | hrm, why dont i have a cron script for mdadm |
| 10:25.54 | EvilGuru | Am I also correct in assuming that debian does not perform kernel updates when I do an apt-get? |
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| 10:26.04 | peterS | liable: I think it was added in etch. (/etc/cron.d/mdadm) |
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| 10:26.08 | EvilGuru | liable: I found it in /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
| 10:26.14 | liable | ah, explains it |
| 10:27.04 | peterS | EvilGuru: well, yes and no. new kernel versions always get their own packages, so you can install multiple kernel versions at a time, and upgrading all your packages won't pull in new kernel versions. however, it _will_ pull in security updates to existing kernel versions, if any exist. |
| 10:27.51 | peterS | EvilGuru: also, there are packages like 'linux-image-686' which always point to the currently supported kernel image for 686 processors, and if you have _that_ installed, then upgrading it will pull in whatever kernel might happen to be supported today |
| 10:28.12 | EvilGuru | peterS: makes sense |
| 10:28.18 | peterS | (currently it pulls in linux-image-2.6.18-4-686) |
| 10:29.07 | EvilGuru | I am on 2.6.15 which works fine, so I'll think I will leave it |
| 10:30.06 | liable | 15's did have that exploit a while back.. |
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| 10:31.12 | bald3333 | hi |
| 10:31.40 | bald3333 | anyone has experience on limiting the uploading bandwitdh on mail servers for each connection? |
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| 10:31.57 | EvilGuru | I am just looking at some more of my cron jobs and found this: find /usr -type f -print0 | rl -0 -c 5000 | xargs -0 cat > /dev/null |
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| 10:32.12 | EvilGuru | Is that going to list everything in /usr? |
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| 10:33.47 | liable | wtf is 'rl'? |
| 10:33.56 | EvilGuru | liable: randomise |
| 10:34.06 | liable | oh |
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| 10:34.20 | peterS | I don't think it will list everything in /usr |
| 10:34.30 | peterS | I think it will redirect a lot of output to /dev/null, where nobody will ever see it again |
| 10:34.33 | liable | what is even the point of that command? |
| 10:34.44 | EvilGuru | It is meant to generate entropy |
| 10:34.49 | liable | ah |
| 10:34.56 | EvilGuru | I believe I needed it for SSL connections as they kept failing |
| 10:35.02 | peterS | liable: gentoo overnight-recompile-slow-down-your-system emulation |
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| 10:35.19 | liable | heh |
| 10:36.08 | EvilGuru | but it was 9 months ago since I set the machine up |
| 10:36.56 | peterS | seriously dude, if you are always low on entropy you should buy a motherboard with a hardware RNG, and set up a daemon that feeds /dev/random from it. rng-tools, specifically. |
| 10:37.23 | peterS | I think all modern intel chipsets include such a thing. maybe they omit it from some boards. |
| 10:37.30 | EvilGuru | peterS: The server was done on the cheap, old PIII |
| 10:38.08 | EvilGuru | I am not sure how often the cron job actually runs, it is meant to be once every 5 min, but it checks the current level first |
| 10:38.10 | peterS | yeah I forget when the tco rng first appeared in intel chipsets. I'm thinking it was the PIII era though |
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| 10:41.10 | peterS | EvilGuru: hrrrm, yeah, the 'intel-rng' kernel module seems to support the PIII-733 motherboard I have handy access to (the chipset is 82801BA) |
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| 10:41.34 | EvilGuru | peterS: How do I find out the chipset (/proc somewhere I assume) |
| 10:41.42 | peterS | EvilGuru: lspci | grep LPC |
| 10:41.55 | tarzeau | can someone with zatacka (sid) 0.1.7-0.1 tell me it works for them without segfaulting? |
| 10:42.37 | EvilGuru | peterS: I do not have lspci and apt-cache search lspci reveals no packages |
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| 10:42.58 | peterS | EvilGuru: lspci is in pciutils |
| 10:42.59 | liable | pciutils |
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| 10:43.27 | rainabba | I'm sure this indicates an error in my /etc/apt/source.list, but I can't find it, help? "Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-i386/Packages" |
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| 10:43.45 | peterS | EvilGuru: I also note that in kernel 2.6.17 the driver was named hw_random and didn't support nearly as many chipsets |
| 10:43.46 | rainabba | I'm running Etch daily build i386 |
| 10:44.00 | peterS | EvilGuru: (compared to intel-rng in 2.6.18, I mean) |
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| 10:44.15 | tarzeau | rainabba: what's your sources.list entry? |
| 10:44.16 | EvilGuru | peterS: the host bridge is: Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03 |
| 10:44.32 | peterS | EvilGuru: whoa, the 440BX is Pentium III? I thought that was Pentium II |
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| 10:44.45 | rainabba | tarzeau: I assume you're refing to the offending one, but I don't know. That's the trouble. |
| 10:44.56 | tarzeau | !pastebin |
| 10:44.56 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 10:44.59 | EvilGuru | peterS: A lot of the output says PII |
| 10:45.01 | tarzeau | rainabba: put the whole file into pastebin? |
| 10:45.06 | rainabba | rgr |
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| 10:45.45 | ecm | Hello, people! |
| 10:45.45 | peterS | EvilGuru: right, I think that was before they started putting a hardware RNG in. but what ISA bridge does lspci say you have? |
| 10:45.45 | EvilGuru | But it is a PIII coppermine (just checked /proc/cpuinfo) |
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| 10:45.46 | EvilGuru | peterS: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) |
| 10:45.46 | chronographer | hello i have just updated and have a new kernel image... I wonder if there is an easy way to get my wireless usb device and nvidia drivers acros to it easily.. ( im kind of new to this but learning fast!) |
| 10:46.26 | peterS | EvilGuru: right, I don't think that came with a hardware RNG. I guess it must be a fairly early generation PIII motherboard |
| 10:46.31 | rainabba | tarzeau: http://pastebin.ca/420724 Aside from the Beryl entries, I need access to the basics for Etch AND the most appropriate unstable (for kqemu and kvm related packages) |
| 10:47.03 | EvilGuru | peterS: Yes, it does seem to be, however unusually it does come with a SCSI controller |
| 10:47.40 | peterS | EvilGuru: that's not unusual, just means it's a server-class motherboard. Adaptec or NCR/Symbios? |
| 10:47.54 | EvilGuru | Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W |
| 10:48.24 | tarzeau | !mix |
| 10:48.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mix is Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 10:48.28 | peterS | nice |
| 10:48.41 | rainabba | tarzeau: Here's the full error http://pastebin.ca/420726 |
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| 10:49.07 | EvilGuru | The drives I have though must be the nosiest things on the planet, double height and you can cook an egg on them |
| 10:49.14 | tarzeau | rainabba: typo in W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/unstable Packages |
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| 10:49.23 | peterS | all disks were noisy back then. and double height. |
| 10:49.28 | tarzeau | rainabba: check telnet linuks.mine.nu for an unstable entry |
| 10:49.32 | tarzeau | rainabba: etch is testing |
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| 10:49.56 | EvilGuru | bizarre capacity too, 50Gb 7200RPM, not a 'standard' SCSI size |
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| 10:50.39 | peterS | that's pretty big for a disk bought in 1998 |
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| 10:51.11 | EvilGuru | I am not sure when the disks were made, I got 10 of them in a batch eBay lot (for something like £80 two years ago) |
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| 10:51.25 | peterS | I remember a rather large disk _array_ from around that time that only came to 45 MB |
| 10:51.45 | peterS | (4.5 GB x 10 disks) |
| 10:52.02 | rainabba | tarzeau: Sorry, don't follow "Type in W". What did you mean there? For unstable you're saying I should telnet to linuks.mine.nu (and check their /etc/apt/sources/list) ? I am aware etch is testing, but I'm not sure why you mention it. |
| 10:52.02 | EvilGuru | peterS: I dread to think the price of that lot |
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| 10:53.18 | EvilGuru | All SCSI disks from the past few years are 80 pin though, rather than 68 which makes it hard to find compatible ones |
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| 10:58.43 | peterS | EvilGuru: eh? not true, you can get both pinouts |
| 10:59.11 | EvilGuru | peterS: Most of the drives I see seem to be 80 as opposed to 68 (although I could get an adapter I guess) |
| 10:59.26 | tarzeau | rainabba: you can't have etch/unstable |
| 10:59.32 | peterS | yeah, those are available too |
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| 11:00.03 | tarzeau | rainabba: you can have stable (or sarge), testing (or etch) or sid (or unstable), not etch/unstable |
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| 11:04.01 | rainabba | tarzeau: Now I understand what you mean and I've fixed the syntax was "etch main unstable" now just "etch main". |
| 11:04.05 | rainabba | thank you |
| 11:04.09 | hburchey | Why does rsync start an interactive shell? |
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| 11:11.19 | fireba11 | how to find out why a package is in stable and unstable but NOT in testing ? |
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| 11:11.49 | cydork | !why is tor not in testing |
| 11:11.50 | dpkg | tor is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tor |
| 11:12.16 | cydork | fireba11: replace tor with <package name> |
| 11:12.27 | fireba11 | cydork : thanks |
| 11:15.19 | fireba11 | hm .. can't really make sens of that though |
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| 11:15.43 | cydork | fireba11: huh? |
| 11:15.54 | fireba11 | what does that mean ? http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=egroupware |
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| 11:16.40 | cydork | fireba11: cause etch is in freeze. |
| 11:17.16 | fireba11 | cydork: egroupware is already in sarge .. and it's in sid .. so i don't really understand why it's not in etch |
| 11:17.24 | cydork | fireba11: and there was no old version of that in etch. |
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| 11:17.55 | fireba11 | cydork: so they essentially never moved it to etch |
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| 11:18.34 | cydork | fireba11: yeah i guess. |
| 11:18.46 | fqh | hi................anyone knows where to get the tool of "source navigation" |
| 11:19.45 | hark | apt-cache search? |
| 11:20.16 | hark | !info sourcenav |
| 11:20.49 | dpkg | sourcenav: (Source code analysis, editor, browser and build tool.), section devel, is optional. Version: 5.1.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 6861 kB, Installed size: 23368 kB |
| 11:21.11 | nxf | Hi! I try to install dovecot (imap server) using apt-get. It tells me it needs to remove courier (other imap server) for that. I want to run both on different ports. How can I force apt-get not to install without removing the other imap server? |
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| 11:22.08 | fqh | Ok,thanks |
| 11:22.26 | enouf | how the heck do i get a factoid to trigger a certain nick when called upon? like what occurs when one does a "!lart nickname" and then dpkg directs the comments at that nick (what's the syntax to put into the factoid?) |
| 11:22.52 | enouf | something simple like (*/*) or something? |
| 11:23.17 | enouf | PM me if you think it's a guarded secret ;-) |
| 11:23.26 | fireba11 | cydork: hm . .ired |
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| 11:23.30 | fireba11 | wired |
| 11:23.45 | Hal9000 | hello! my debian system is all in german (console etc.) but i want to change everything to english... how? |
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| 11:24.09 | enouf | !tell Hal9000 about console-data |
| 11:24.18 | enouf | !tell Hal9000 about keymap |
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| 11:24.52 | azeem | Hal9000: set your LANG to en instead of de |
| 11:24.53 | bald3333 | hello |
| 11:25.01 | bald3333 | has anybody worked with cbq? |
| 11:25.02 | enouf | Hal9000: or dpkg-reconfigure locales may help too .. not sure |
| 11:25.02 | mzuverink | How do I mount and move /home from a single partition to a newly created partition just for that purpose, using cli? |
| 11:25.11 | cydork | enouf: you mean this ->> /msg dpkg literal cmd: kick (.*?) |
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| 11:25.27 | enouf | cydork: likely .. ahhh .. lessee ;-) |
| 11:25.51 | hark | enouf: what are you upto? ;) |
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| 11:26.36 | hark | nxf: maybe build from the debian package source and edit the conflict.. but dunno |
| 11:26.36 | enouf | hark: ok nuttin' :-P |
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| 11:26.49 | Hal9002 | damn |
| 11:26.52 | Hal9002 | hello! my debian system is all in german (console etc.) but i want to change everything to english... how? |
| 11:27.00 | hark | !enoufsmite enouf |
| 11:27.19 | enouf | <azeem> Hal9000: set your LANG to en instead of de |
| 11:27.53 | enouf | hark excellent .. so how would one write that literally to create that ? |
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| 11:28.21 | hark | haha |
| 11:28.26 | nxf | hark: any other way? :S |
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| 11:28.37 | enouf | I'm trying some of cydorks techniques (look familiar, the (.*?) format) |
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| 11:30.01 | enouf | !enoufsmite me |
| 11:30.08 | enouf | bah .. not working |
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| 11:35.29 | cydork | !enoufsmite me |
| 11:36.02 | liable | !enoughsmite cydork |
| 11:36.19 | liable | dpkg: talk to me |
| 11:36.30 | liable | !ping |
| 11:36.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:38.28 | dimir | bong! |
| 11:38.31 | dimir | !bong |
| 11:38.31 | dpkg | methinks bong is like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
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| 11:40.20 | cydork | liable: s/enough/enouf/ |
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| 11:41.21 | liable | cydork: haha, the one time when my grammar is correct, it bites me in the ass :) |
| 11:41.37 | cydork | liable: :D |
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| 11:43.33 | enouf | !handnyh |
| 11:43.34 | dpkg | Have a Nice Day Now, Ya Hear enouf |
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| 11:44.08 | enouf | hrmm .. got it working partly .. for myself though only :-( |
| 11:44.35 | HostilePenguin | anyone with the name themolester is most likely in the wrong room |
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| 11:47.17 | kupsch | anyone successfully running jabberd on Etch? |
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| 11:47.47 | HostilePenguin | when etch is released how do you work your apt sources list? |
| 11:48.51 | bzed | !tell HostilePenguin about sarge->etch |
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| 11:58.00 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 11:58.01 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
| 11:58.17 | liable | hehe |
| 11:58.21 | liable | thats a good one |
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| 11:58.53 | cydork | :) |
| 11:59.57 | kampasky | Hi, I'm about to migrate a large-scale debian installation from sarge to etch. For keeping package settings the same everywhere I've discovered debconf-{get,set}-selections, which is great, but I wanna ask - is there something similar for configuration files? |
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| 12:00.31 | kampasky | As a last resort I can just go with package versions of configfiles and then apply a huge patch etc., but it'd be nice if there would be something that could tkae care of this during package setup. |
| 12:01.24 | liable | new package config changes are always a pita |
| 12:01.34 | tarzeau | kampasky: how many machines? |
| 12:01.55 | kampasky | about 50 |
| 12:01.57 | tarzeau | kampasky: or just one machine with a lot of packages? how many, dpkg -l | wc -l ? |
| 12:02.08 | mzuverink | need help badly, I made a partition to move /home to and cant figure out how to move /home from / to the new drive. Can anyone take a sec and help me? |
| 12:02.26 | tarzeau | mzuverink: i'd use rsync -av / /home/ |
| 12:02.35 | tarzeau | kampasky: all the same? test it on one? |
| 12:02.37 | kampasky | the idea is that I do all the merges of my changes with new config file versions at a single machine and then somehow magically during upgrade of other machines it takes the merged versions of config files |
| 12:02.50 | mzuverink | tarzeau, ok |
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| 12:03.13 | kampasky | tarzeau: yes, more or less all the same (slightly different hw configurations but that's ok to handle manually) |
| 12:03.36 | tarzeau | kampasky: are they all autoinstalled? fai? debian installer preseeding? |
| 12:03.55 | wols | mzuverink: mount the new partition somewhere and copy /home. what's so complicated? |
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| 12:04.17 | tarzeau | wols: he'll want -r and -p, and maybe more (dotfiles)? |
| 12:04.34 | kampasky | tarzeau: they're "cloned", which means basically "boot on cd, mount / of other machine and cp -a to the new machine, update /etc with new hostname etc" :) |
| 12:04.47 | RandomTask | hello ... i am running debian testing ... i have a pci linksys card ... i keep losing my connection ... in order to recover i must reboot my pc ... is there a way around this? |
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| 12:05.31 | tarzeau | kampasky: yuck :) |
| 12:05.31 | kampasky | tarzeau: but I don't want to reinstall the machines from scratch, I'd much prefer to just do dist-upgrade on the machines (but non-interactively) |
| 12:06.03 | tarzeau | kampasky: i see, yeah you can pre-answer quite some questions using debconf... but many settings changed from sarge to etch... |
| 12:06.31 | kampasky | I have the questions part solved |
| 12:06.39 | kampasky | what I need to solve is the configuration files |
| 12:06.42 | tarzeau | RandomTask: or take down and back up the interface? which kernel driver? which kernel version? |
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| 12:07.09 | tarzeau | kampasky: of which software mainly? we use the tool dphys-config for config file handling, but there's other ways too |
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| 12:07.22 | RandomTask | i have tried this /etc/init.d/networking force-reload ... is it equivalent? |
| 12:07.23 | tarzeau | kampasky: basically just distribute the configfiles to the hosts, done |
| 12:07.27 | pabix | hello, problem with scim as default input method in Gnome (update-alternatives --config xinput-all_ALL : scim-immodule) : it prevents acroread from starting |
| 12:07.43 | RandomTask | when i get in problem state iwlist wlan0 scanning returns nothing |
| 12:07.46 | mzuverink | . |
| 12:08.02 | RandomTask | kernel is 2.6.15 (custom) |
| 12:08.11 | RandomTask | i just recompiled it |
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| 12:08.27 | fireba11 | RandomTask: wth are you still on 2.6.15 ? |
| 12:08.43 | RandomTask | is wext better on higher kernels? |
| 12:08.50 | kampasky | tarzeau: it's anything from /etc/pam stuff to /etc/texmf/** and /etc/Muttrc |
| 12:08.58 | kampasky | tarzeau: thanks, will have a look at dphys-config |
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| 12:10.52 | tarzeau | kampasky: there's also cfengine/cfengine2 |
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| 12:15.49 | hipodilski | somebody using jailkit on debian? |
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| 12:19.02 | Rusher | hello |
| 12:19.27 | Gnulinux | Is it possible to tag the line output in "top" ? |
| 12:20.13 | liable | tag? |
| 12:20.45 | Ronin | your it? :) |
| 12:20.57 | liable | damn! |
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| 12:21.22 | cydork | heh |
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| 12:22.10 | liable | Rusher: try htop, not sure what you want, but i think it may do what you might want.. whatever that is :P |
| 12:22.25 | Rusher | What is a good way to get nvidia drivers installed lol |
| 12:22.40 | Rusher | xorg crashes after installation |
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| 12:24.25 | voltagex | hi, the Debian installer has a large list of cities with their timezones, where's this stored? (I'd like to use it in a program of mine) |
| 12:24.27 | azeem | Rusher: crashes with the nvidia drivers? |
| 12:24.53 | liable | voltagex: libc6 |
| 12:25.01 | azeem | voltagex: look at tzconfig |
| 12:25.01 | voltagex | :/ |
| 12:25.05 | voltagex | hardcoded? |
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| 12:26.00 | liable | no |
| 12:26.30 | voltagex | is packages.debian.org loading for you or is it just my connection? |
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| 12:26.49 | liable | in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
| 12:26.50 | davut | hi I am a gentoo user but gentoo sucks on servers rules on desktop. And I wanna install a kernel with grsec patch. is there a deb package of a kernel with grsec patch |
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| 12:26.57 | voltagex | You have searched for packages that names contain tzconfig in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Can't find that package. |
| 12:27.23 | liable | !+info tzconfig etch |
| 12:27.25 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 12:27.31 | dpkg | Package 'tzconfig' does not exist. |
| 12:27.34 | liable | tzdata is in libc6 though |
| 12:27.39 | voltagex | ok |
| 12:27.43 | azeem | tzconfig is as well |
| 12:27.47 | azeem | at least in my libc6 |
| 12:28.11 | liable | ya |
| 12:28.18 | voltagex | found it |
| 12:28.20 | voltagex | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/tzdata |
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| 12:29.57 | voltagex | oh dear |
| 12:30.03 | voltagex | that's gonna be a bitch to parse |
| 12:30.52 | voltagex | err, which file actually contains the UTC offset? |
| 12:31.36 | azeem | voltagex: do some research, these kinds of programming question are slightly off-topic here |
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| 12:32.12 | voltagex | azeem: well my last question is which file stores the UTC offset in the tzdata package |
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| 12:33.38 | azeem | voltagex: you seem to looked at tz stuff for one minute |
| 12:33.41 | azeem | +have |
| 12:33.51 | voltagex | ok ok I'll look properly |
| 12:34.10 | azeem | voltagex: I don't think a lot of people in here know this by heart, we'd have to research ourselves first as well |
| 12:34.28 | voltagex | ok |
| 12:34.37 | voltagex | # 3:00 MSK MSD Moscow |
| 12:34.42 | voltagex | that first line looks like the offset |
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| 12:34.50 | voltagex | first column* |
| 12:35.00 | azeem | yeah, seems so |
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| 12:35.18 | voltagex | these files are *strange* |
| 12:35.27 | voltagex | don't seem to follow a coherent format |
| 12:35.33 | azeem | voltagex: check the libc info manual and/or POSIX |
| 12:35.39 | azeem | or google |
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| 12:36.02 | voltagex | might give up on tzdata |
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| 12:36.09 | voltagex | try and find a csv or something |
| 12:36.12 | voltagex | thanks anyway |
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| 12:36.18 | eisen | how can I mount partitions inside a hd image? |
| 12:36.39 | liable | a vm? |
| 12:36.53 | eisen | I created an image of an harddisk with dd, now I'd like to mount the partitions therein |
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| 12:37.40 | liable | should be like mounting any partition |
| 12:38.08 | eisen | hm, how would I specify the partition inside the image |
| 12:38.10 | eisen | ? |
| 12:38.24 | liable | why do you keep saying image? |
| 12:38.36 | crazy_penguin | Good afternoon to all! |
| 12:38.40 | liable | its a copied partion table and contents |
| 12:38.45 | tarzeau | eisen: what says fdisk -l yourfile ? |
| 12:39.10 | eisen | let me check |
| 12:39.27 | tarzeau | liable: if you have hda and hda1 hda2, you don't usually have hda1 and hda2 for a file called someimagefile |
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| 12:39.47 | tarzeau | liable: the mount would only work on the numbered partition files |
| 12:39.50 | eisen | it's a raw dump of the device |
| 12:40.04 | eisen | is there a way to map it as a device? |
| 12:40.10 | tarzeau | eisen: yes we got that, but does fdisk -l say something on the file? |
| 12:40.10 | liable | dumped to a drive or partition? |
| 12:40.21 | eisen | to a file |
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| 12:42.07 | eisen | tarzeau: I'll paste it... |
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| 12:42.47 | wols | eisen: man mount, then look for "offset |
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| 12:43.10 | liable | i may be missing something, but why use dd for that? |
| 12:43.41 | wols | question is, why did he make an image of the whole disk and not only partition(s) |
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| 12:44.02 | eisen | because the machine broke down |
| 12:44.13 | eisen | and it's the last good backup |
| 12:44.27 | myself | I all |
| 12:44.28 | liable | you use dd for backups? |
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| 12:44.37 | davut | lol |
| 12:44.40 | eisen | it was meant for replication, but I don't have a drive left with the same geometry |
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| 12:44.53 | liable | that just seems like making hard work |
| 12:45.00 | netdrake | hi, how can i obtain which application or pid using concrete kernel module ? |
| 12:45.04 | davut | use partimage |
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| 12:45.12 | liable | pffft |
| 12:45.25 | eisen | http://pastebin.ca/420815 |
| 12:45.27 | davut | use lsof |
| 12:45.32 | netdrake | hm |
| 12:45.38 | liable | davut: wtf? |
| 12:45.48 | netdrake | lsof -i6 for ipv6 |
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| 12:46.09 | myself | I 've a problem with debian I can't install etch (netinst) cause I have a SATA hhd |
| 12:46.14 | davut | liable: what? |
| 12:46.22 | myself | I tried even with stable and testing |
| 12:46.23 | wols | myself: what controller? |
| 12:46.31 | wols | testing IS etch |
| 12:46.39 | myself | how I can see the controller ?? |
| 12:46.43 | wols | lspci |
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| 12:47.10 | myself | with a testing one I can't install grub and lilo |
| 12:47.23 | myself | with the stable it doesn't see my hhd at all |
| 12:47.44 | wols | you need to give better problem descriptions if you want help |
| 12:47.48 | eisen | the partition table is also crap, but that's how the installer made the partitons at the time |
| 12:47.49 | wols | forget stable. your hardware is too new |
| 12:47.52 | myself | I have the following laptop : sony vaio vgn-a517b |
| 12:48.09 | wols | we don't know the innards of every machine out there |
| 12:48.14 | wols | what controller? what problems? |
| 12:48.18 | myself | so I would like install linux on my laptop but seem to be impossible |
| 12:48.40 | myself | wols sorry how I can see the controller ?? |
| 12:48.40 | liable | !laptop |
| 12:48.41 | wols | yes, they way you describe your problems it's impossible. but not cause the hardware won't work |
| 12:48.41 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 12:48.45 | wols | lspci |
| 12:48.48 | azeem | myself: did you explain why you cannot install grub yet? |
| 12:48.56 | wols | in the installre press alt+f2 and run lspci there |
| 12:49.02 | liable | if the installer sees the disk.. |
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| 12:50.06 | myself | ok wols |
| 12:50.15 | eisen | tarzeau: I'll look into the offset thing. I had hoped there was an easy way with device mapper though |
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| 12:50.57 | tarzeau | eisen: you could extract the partitions into separate files? |
| 12:51.12 | wols | myself: since etch will install on the disk and sarge is too old anways: ignore the controller. why can |
| 12:51.14 | eisen | tarzeau: how? |
| 12:51.20 | wols | why cao't you install grub or lilo? |
| 12:51.36 | psbase | can anyone help? I have a default debian 3.1-HE installation running Apache2 + php4. I'd like to upgrade it to php5. When I do an "apt-cache search php5" I don't find anything. any help? php 5.2 and mysql5 would be really appreciated |
| 12:51.39 | wols | eisen: with dd... (but again you need offsets) |
| 12:51.41 | myself | wols because it goes in allarm |
| 12:51.48 | myself | i just says that i can't |
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| 12:51.52 | wols | !sicco |
| 12:51.52 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 12:51.58 | azeem | myself: what do you mean with "goes in allarm"? |
| 12:52.10 | wols | azeem: throws an error |
| 12:52.11 | myself | has been the firt time for me see this kind of problem |
| 12:52.20 | azeem | myself: did you check the system logs? |
| 12:52.22 | eisen | wols: oh yes, I could do that. |
| 12:52.25 | azeem | like on console 3 or so? |
| 12:52.30 | liable | myself: does the installer see your disk? |
| 12:52.44 | concept10 | I get two errors: something like FATAL: Error importing module (/lib/foo.../kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko) can I just specify not to load this module? |
| 12:52.48 | wols | liable: since his problem is the bootloader: yes |
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| 12:52.56 | myself | in the testing yes, I can see my hhd |
| 12:53.03 | liable | wols: just double checking.. |
| 12:53.10 | myself | but when I finish to install |
| 12:53.25 | myself | and he start to try to install grub or lilo |
| 12:53.41 | wols | myself: we already know that. WHAT is the error you get? we're not psychic |
| 12:53.41 | azeem | myself: that's when you should gather more information by changing to second/third control and watch the messages there |
| 12:53.48 | myself | it stop to work and he says is impossbile to install |
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| 12:54.23 | myself | wols I don't remeber the error |
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| 12:54.30 | azeem | myself: then reproduce it now |
| 12:54.39 | azeem | and write it down |
| 12:54.41 | myself | even because now I'm writing form another machine |
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| 12:54.49 | liable | grub install is after base innit? |
| 12:54.49 | myself | so I'll start again the installation |
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| 12:54.52 | azeem | myself: then come back once you have reproduced it |
| 12:54.54 | unseensoul | hi |
| 12:54.56 | myself | and I'll write you back |
| 12:54.58 | azeem | liable: yes |
| 12:55.14 | liable | so, he has a working base, in theory |
| 12:55.22 | unseensoul | can anyone tell me what's the default /var/www chmod? |
| 12:55.24 | wols | liable: pretty much the last thing in the installer |
| 12:55.26 | azeem | myself: you should gather more information by changing to second/third console (alt+f2 and alt+f3) and watch the messages there |
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| 12:55.49 | wols | unseensoul: 755, root.root |
| 12:55.55 | unseensoul | wols, thank you |
| 12:55.57 | unseensoul | :) |
| 12:56.10 | myself | ok I'll be back soon |
| 12:56.11 | liable | myself: dont reinstall |
| 12:56.34 | liable | myself: boot the installer with 'rescue' as boot option |
| 12:56.46 | myself | liable I think we should because I already tried to install the stable |
| 12:56.56 | myself | i'll try to be fast |
| 12:57.15 | myself | ok rescue |
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| 13:03.42 | eisen | hah, I got the partitions mounted with losetup |
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| 13:04.27 | pokingfun | hello |
| 13:04.57 | pokingfun | well, is there a "warty" such codename? |
| 13:05.06 | tarzeau | pokingfun: yes, in #ubuntu |
| 13:05.34 | pokingfun | ... |
| 13:05.38 | russo | :P |
| 13:05.54 | liable | or if you have been with too many loose girls, your nickname might be warty |
| 13:06.00 | HostilePenguin | what do i have to do to get a newer version of gnome? |
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| 13:06.27 | streuner | tarzeau: How do you 'manage' to redirect stuff to wiki.d.o from linux.m.n ? |
| 13:06.34 | HostilePenguin | the one i have dosent have a up button like kde and the new gnome |
| 13:06.34 | pokingfun | loose girls? o.o |
| 13:06.41 | russo | HostilePenguin: apt-get upgrade gnome? |
| 13:06.45 | tarzeau | streuner: with an html redirect? |
| 13:06.45 | Kevin` | HostilePenguin sacrifice a llama to the penguin gods |
| 13:06.53 | tarzeau | streuner: linuks.m.n |
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| 13:07.13 | wols | pokingfun: you mean probably etch |
| 13:07.31 | pokingfun | i saw it in the debootstrap |
| 13:07.32 | russo | hmm... |
| 13:07.35 | wols | HostilePenguin: do we have to tell you about "search"? |
| 13:07.52 | azeem | pokingfun: it's one of the Ubuntu releases |
| 13:08.02 | russo | wols, or man for that matter :D |
| 13:08.03 | pokingfun | oh |
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| 13:10.25 | cyzie | how do i make sure that every time my fc6 boot, it will boot certain kernel ? |
| 13:10.46 | russo | cyzie: edit your grub/lilo.conf |
| 13:11.03 | streuner | cyzie: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:11.17 | russo | does anyone care to comment on ubuntu vs. debian... i just recently started using debian on my server |
| 13:11.33 | Pobega | russo: Ubuntu makes most of the decisions for you, while Debian leaves it up to the end user. |
| 13:11.44 | Pobega | russo: Debian has larger repositories, but Ubuntu has a bigger forum. |
| 13:11.52 | russo | :D |
| 13:11.56 | russo | i like the last bit |
| 13:12.11 | Pobega | russo: Keep in mind Debian has a huge mailing list though, which is more efficient than a forum in my opinion. |
| 13:12.13 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 13:12.13 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 13:12.17 | pokingfun | ubuntu = using debian to make some money? |
| 13:12.23 | russo | i use debian on a server without a keyboard or monitor so... i chose debian |
| 13:12.29 | Pobega | pokingfun: Not exactly. |
| 13:12.35 | pokingfun | hahaha |
| 13:12.37 | streuner | pokingfun: that's OT |
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| 13:12.47 | Pobega | pokingfun: Well, in some ways, but they've done a bit of changing to the inner system. |
| 13:12.53 | Pobega | The one thing I hate Ubuntu for |
| 13:12.59 | Pobega | Is that they're making debs more like rpms. |
| 13:13.06 | Pobega | "Ubuntu .deb and Debian .deb" |
| 13:13.11 | streuner | Pobega: enough |
| 13:13.13 | pokingfun | ar -x |
| 13:13.15 | Pobega | Done. |
| 13:13.25 | Pobega | He asked for the differences though. |
| 13:13.29 | russo | :D i did |
| 13:13.36 | Pobega | I'm not biased or anything (I use Ubuntu on my desktop, although I never touch it) |
| 13:13.41 | russo | it was a fair question |
| 13:13.43 | russo | my mate uses ubuntu |
| 13:13.52 | russo | i use slackware... but i felt like trying debian on my server |
| 13:13.55 | streuner | that's OT either |
| 13:13.57 | pokingfun | who runs ubuntu now? o.o |
| 13:14.09 | streuner | russo: you might use /topic |
| 13:14.14 | azeem | pokingfun: this is off-topic here |
| 13:14.21 | pokingfun | i think so |
| 13:14.26 | pokingfun | cut!!! |
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| 13:14.51 | Pobega | streuner: Why can't we discuss distro differences? Not like we're flaming or anything. |
| 13:15.02 | russo | streuner: ? i'm not asking about #ubuntu support... i was merely curious as to what you hardend debian users would say to ubuntu v. debian |
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| 13:15.16 | russo | i'm finished also |
| 13:15.21 | streuner | Pobega: discuss that elsewhere, we aren't going to start a silly flamewar |
| 13:15.29 | russo | Pobega: gave a good answer for me |
| 13:15.43 | russo | ugh tab completion gone bad there :P |
| 13:16.00 | Pobega | It happens :) |
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| 13:17.21 | russo | hmm its so warm outside (+18) i wonder if i should go get some ice cream... |
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| 13:17.29 | russo | theres a shop downstairs :/ |
| 13:18.29 | Pobega | russo: Don't be lazy. |
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| 13:19.00 | russo | nah i just try not to eat sweets :P |
| 13:19.15 | russo | but its such a nice day and i just got home from the gym |
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| 13:20.49 | enouf | towel boy? |
| 13:21.17 | azeem | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 13:21.30 | enouf | <russo> but its such a nice day and i just got home from the gym |
| 13:21.39 | Pobega | azeem: I think he's calling russo a towel boy. |
| 13:21.51 | enouf | asking .. not calling |
| 13:21.56 | azeem | enouf: 1. address people, 2. it's off-topic |
| 13:22.12 | pokingfun | towel boy = a boy is sharp as a tower? |
| 13:22.20 | russo | :/ off topic? |
| 13:22.28 | concept10 | can anyone see me? |
| 13:22.31 | pokingfun | -_-; |
| 13:22.31 | russo | you have to lighten up a distro cahnnel |
| 13:22.33 | russo | imho |
| 13:22.39 | russo | concept10: i can't see you at all |
| 13:22.49 | concept10 | oh, thanks |
| 13:22.52 | pokingfun | me either |
| 13:23.53 | concept10 | im on the most minimal and smallest system in my arsenal and it still works great |
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| 13:24.17 | pokingfun | concept10: congratulations |
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| 13:25.57 | pokingfun | liable: for what? |
| 13:26.12 | psbase | how to search and install unstable packages with apt? |
| 13:26.17 | liable | pokingfun: a ubiquiti wireless card |
| 13:26.43 | cydork | !iyhtays psbase |
| 13:26.44 | dpkg | psbase: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 13:27.04 | enouf | I go to the gym all the time .. I set up my lawn chair outside the front window, and smoke a carton of marlboros, and just watch :-P |
| 13:27.11 | psbase | cydork, just answer the question or quiet down k? |
| 13:27.15 | Pobega | psbase: You can apt pin or use backports (Not sure if they're available from Sid to Etch though, I've never used them before) |
| 13:27.16 | enouf | !tell psbase -about apt howto |
| 13:27.28 | Pobega | !apt-pinning |
| 13:27.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 13:27.34 | enouf | psbase: you need to RTFM.. |
| 13:27.43 | Pobega | At your own risk though, you may run into trouble with apt-pinning. |
| 13:28.20 | psbase | I did man the apt-get btw. I must have missed the unstable part. I'll check again... |
| 13:28.41 | Pobega | psbase: man apt_preferences |
| 13:28.44 | h3sp4wn | there is a etch->sid mix factoid I forget the trigger though |
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| 13:28.55 | rpc | are there any tools to improve sata drives performance in etch? |
| 13:29.16 | rpc | i'm not even sure if they are seen as pata, sata or scsi.. |
| 13:29.26 | rpc | everything seems loaded at once lol |
| 13:29.33 | abrotman | hdparm |
| 13:29.34 | rpc | anyone able to help? |
| 13:29.41 | rpc | tried.. doesn't work |
| 13:29.58 | enouf | oh boy |
| 13:29.58 | rpc | sata drives don't like hdparm at all |
| 13:30.05 | enouf | there's sdparm |
| 13:30.12 | rpc | trying... |
| 13:30.16 | enouf | but that isn't going to help |
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| 13:30.34 | h3sp4wn | libata probes and shouldn't need any (other than maybe to enable ncq) |
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| 13:30.58 | rpc | REQUEST SENSE failed |
| 13:31.12 | rpc | h3sp4wn how can i enable ncq? |
| 13:31.18 | rpc | something is missing... they are too slow |
| 13:31.34 | rpc | like udma was off or something.. could be ncq off.. |
| 13:31.54 | rpc | libata is loaded, so is a ton of other stuff |
| 13:31.54 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.03 | rpc | h3sp4wn thank you, checking |
| 13:32.23 | enouf | udma is on by default, it's your controller's implementation and any sata->pata bridges as a nice fugly kludge |
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| 13:32.47 | rpc | h3sp4wn... it says "1" |
| 13:32.51 | rpc | does it mean OFF? |
| 13:33.06 | h3sp4wn | yep |
| 13:33.10 | rpc | ... |
| 13:33.16 | h3sp4wn | What chipset is it ? |
| 13:33.23 | rpc | some via thing |
| 13:33.42 | rpc | i'm really tired of it but definetly it can't be this bad.. just misconfigured |
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| 13:34.15 | rpc | for the first time i heard something useful here.. h3sp4wn do you recommend echoing 31 into that file? |
| 13:34.29 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.40 | enouf | http://linux-ata.org/faq.html rpc |
| 13:35.04 | h3sp4wn | Some random via thing is not likely to have ncq support unless it uses ahci |
| 13:35.10 | pokingfun | is it larger than 133MB? |
| 13:35.11 | rpc | h3sp4wn output seems quite ok... 58MB/s and all that |
| 13:35.17 | pokingfun | ... |
| 13:35.23 | rpc | h3sp4wn but cpu chokes when i move files |
| 13:35.26 | enouf | rpc: oh, so DimmuRs advice about loop filesystems wasn;t useful? |
| 13:35.56 | rpc | enouf it was very useful, i need to fix the drive first |
| 13:36.03 | rpc | h3sp4wn hm |
| 13:36.33 | rpc | h3sp4wn how about 16-bit i/o? |
| 13:36.35 | chemaja | i just read http://www.windowmaker.info/development.php?show=wings but it doesn't seem to cover the project's stance on porting windowmaker to gnustep... i also checked the faq. can anyone shed some light on this? |
| 13:36.42 | rpc | why isn't it telling me i got 16 there? |
| 13:36.45 | rpc | is it* |
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| 13:37.02 | Pobega | chemaja: Isn't Window Maker already part of the GNUstep project? |
| 13:37.11 | chemaja | Pobega, i'm talking about the codebase |
| 13:37.18 | chemaja | Pobega, windowmaker uses wings, not gnustep |
| 13:37.32 | chemaja | (wings is a cut down sort of gnustep just for windowmaker) |
| 13:37.47 | pokingfun | oh |
| 13:37.55 | Pobega | chemaja: Ah, I thought you meant something else. But I thought that Window Maker had a GNUstep port already? |
| 13:38.12 | cydork | chemaja: ask tarzeau. |
| 13:38.14 | Pobega | chemaja: I could've sworn that's what's used in SystemRescueCD (LiveCD using Window maker) |
| 13:38.17 | chemaja | Pobega, perhaps, but the main branch isn't i dont think. i could be mistaken. |
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| 13:38.51 | Harzilein | branches? window maker doesn't seem to have enough happening for just one version ;) |
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| 13:39.05 | insulina | hello |
| 13:39.16 | rpc | IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 13:40.17 | chemaja | tarzeau, do you know if windowmaker codebase uses gnustep yet, or still wings? |
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| 13:43.03 | Inf3rn0 | How can I list users currently connected via SSH? |
| 13:43.07 | Inf3rn0 | (Etch) |
| 13:43.08 | petemc | w |
| 13:43.14 | Inf3rn0 | Thanks |
| 13:43.16 | petemc | np |
| 13:43.28 | rpc | http://linux-ata.org/faq.html <---quite nice but still didn't provide any solution |
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| 13:43.43 | ifireball | here is a little chicken and egg problem, I configured alsa to auto-load its modules when someone tries to access the device file, but UDEV will only create such a device file _after_ the module is loaded, ofcorse I can just load the module in /etc/modules but I wonder if there is a "right" way to do it... |
| 13:44.15 | azeem | ifireball: the right way is to configure ALSA at boot time, IMHO |
| 13:44.30 | azeem | whether trough /etc/modules, or udev's hot/coldplugging |
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| 13:45.04 | ifireball | azeem: well hotplug doesn't seem to do it for me, probably becasue its an ISA card... |
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| 13:45.13 | azeem | eh, right... |
| 13:45.17 | enouf | I suppose looking around a bit is too much work .. eh? http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#via |
| 13:45.21 | azeem | ifireball: then /etc/modules it is |
| 13:45.33 | azeem | enouf: how are you addressing? |
| 13:45.37 | azeem | s/how/who/ |
| 13:45.42 | enouf | azeem: stop it please |
| 13:45.46 | azeem | enouf: eh, no |
| 13:45.49 | ifireball | azeem: I thought that maybe I can convice UDEV to create the device files anyway |
| 13:45.54 | ifireball | convince* |
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| 13:46.05 | azeem | enouf: can you please address peoople properly when there are other conversations going on? |
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| 13:46.15 | praecox | hey guys |
| 13:46.19 | azeem | ifireball: good luck, but maybe, yeah |
| 13:46.28 | azeem | ifireball: it doesn't sound worththile to me, though |
| 13:46.31 | praecox | how can I move LDAP with its data to new server? |
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| 13:47.39 | ifireball | azeem: yeah, you're probably right, but I wonder if the flashy desktop disros have some flashy magical way to accomplish this other then have, say, the installer write an /etc/modules file |
| 13:47.43 | rgsteele | praecox: apt-get install migrationtools |
| 13:47.43 | tutz | hi all, is it possible to boot a client with nfs from the server? We could then format the harddrive an copy a new system onto the harddrive from a directory on the server. |
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| 13:47.58 | Danielss89 | Hi, when im running a file with crontabn i get this in my email: Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/potterskolen/crontab/life_decrease.php on line 7 <-- why is that a undefined function?? |
| 13:48.40 | ifireball | praecox: while I suppose you can maybe move around the DBM files, I think exporting to LDIF and re-importing sould be easyer |
| 13:48.54 | tarzeau | chemaja: wings |
| 13:49.20 | tarzeau | chemaja: there was a wmaker version that was adapted for gnustep, i think by ]d .. it must be online somewhere |
| 13:49.25 | tarzeau | chemaja: ask #gnustep |
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| 13:49.42 | ifireball | tutz: google for system-imager its a system that can do all that for you |
| 13:49.44 | lero_ | hey, i have an update for samba |
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| 13:49.49 | rgsteele | ifireball: You sure that'll get you all the users, groups, aliases, hosts, netgroups, networks, protocols, RPCs, and services from existing nameservices? |
| 13:49.54 | lero_ | but have people working in samba |
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| 13:50.06 | rgsteele | 'Cause migrationtools will. |
| 13:50.13 | lero_ | does the upgrade will stop them to work? |
| 13:50.18 | lero_ | or for some seconds only |
| 13:50.43 | ifireball | rgsteele: migrationtoos will probably just put a shiny script around the same action... |
| 13:50.45 | tutz | ifireball: thanks for the hint. We are a school and have to install 45 clients. I just don't want to do it by hand. |
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| 13:51.04 | Kevin` | I want the file /dev/xconsole to be owned by root:xconsole on boot. it's normally root:adm, how do I do this? |
| 13:51.39 | Danielss89 | Hi, when im running a file with crontabn i get this in my email: Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/potterskolen/crontab/life_decrease.php on line 7 <-- why is that a undefined function?? |
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| 13:51.51 | ifireball | tutz: I think it even had some nice integration with debian the last time I checked, but you do have some learning to do |
| 13:52.10 | Kevin` | Danielss89 you don't have the mysql support for php installed |
| 13:52.19 | Kevin` | no |
| 13:52.20 | Kevin` | erm |
| 13:52.22 | Danielss89 | but it works fine on my webserver keith80403 |
| 13:52.26 | tutz | i know that since I chanced to Linux :) |
| 13:52.26 | Danielss89 | Kevin` |
| 13:52.28 | xand | Danielss89: have you enabled mysql support for the CLI version of php? |
| 13:52.44 | xand | it's seperate to the web one |
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| 13:52.57 | js_ | is etch in some kind of freeze yet? |
| 13:53.44 | xand | js_: yes. |
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| 13:53.45 | praecox | ifireball, all right, sounds good. how am I suppose to do an export to LDIF? |
| 13:53.51 | mateuszk | Hi, where I can open a project for packaging a particular java software for debian with mailing list and cooperate with someone else ? |
| 13:53.57 | Danielss89 | xand how do i do that |
| 13:54.24 | dm | Hello. How can I see which CPU a certain process uses (on an SMP system)? |
| 13:54.24 | xand | Danielss89: in /etc/php(4/5) there'll be a config directory for each php - apache, cli etc |
| 13:54.45 | azeem | mateuszk: alioth.debian.org |
| 13:54.51 | mateuszk | azeem, thanks |
| 13:55.25 | ifireball | praecox: well, as far as I can remember you can just do it with ldapsearch and the proper switches, do note that I didn't get to use openldap much, most of my EXP comes from other LDAP servers so your milage may very |
| 13:55.50 | praecox | ifireball, ok, thanks anyway. |
| 13:55.50 | mateuszk | azeem, is there a corner for java software or only for java itself ? |
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| 13:56.15 | Kevin` | anyone on my problem? |
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| 13:58.04 | azeem | mateuszk: I don't know |
| 13:58.11 | azeem | mateuszk: but I guess the former |
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| 14:00.27 | davut | hi I installed debian from testing netinstall cd but wanna use stable version and changed repositories to stable ones on sources.list and I wanna compile a custom kernel but when I did "make menuconfig" I get this "scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory" |
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| 14:00.58 | davut | I read some forums and they say its an issue with ncurses and I need to install libc6-dev |
| 14:01.27 | davut | but aptitude gives an error like this: ""libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed |
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| 14:01.46 | davut | I wanna downgrade libc6 to the said version how can I do that |
| 14:01.56 | XaOS | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.05 | Kevin` | oops XaOS |
| 14:02.08 | Kevin` | :) |
| 14:02.09 | XaOS | )) |
| 14:02.27 | Kevin` | can I do an evil? |
| 14:02.43 | XaOS | you can |
| 14:02.59 | XaOS | :-) |
| 14:03.22 | h3sp4wn | davut: downgrade is not supported |
| 14:03.26 | h3sp4wn | !downgrade |
| 14:03.26 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 14:03.57 | XaOS | ) |
| 14:03.58 | GutterPunk | Hi, apparently someone managed to put a binary on one of our servers, owned by www-data. How can I figure out how exactly it got there? What should I look for in e.g. the apache log files? |
| 14:04.06 | davut | but libc6 is a base package for much other packages |
| 14:04.09 | Kevin` | XaOS might want to change that :) |
| 14:04.20 | XaOS | i will |
| 14:04.53 | GutterPunk | Apparently it's something that outputs a lot of random data... |
| 14:05.11 | xand | GutterPunk: probably uploaded using a form on a webpage |
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| 14:05.36 | GutterPunk | xand, but how can I find out which upload form was used? |
| 14:05.36 | xand | you could maybe check the logs for the time of when the file was modified |
| 14:05.53 | GutterPunk | xand, well the modification time is useless... It says aug 3.. |
| 14:05.59 | fengor | try to grep the logfiles for the filename |
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| 14:06.09 | xand | it may well not be logged |
| 14:06.22 | GutterPunk | I did, but that didn't work either... nothing in there |
| 14:06.31 | xand | probably not logged then |
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| 14:07.28 | GutterPunk | When this binary is ran, it can compromize the workings of the whole server. Problem here is that everything runs as www-data, and there's one single php.ini file used for everyone :( |
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| 14:09.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: still april 1 over there? |
| 14:09.23 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm like -4 or -5 |
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| 14:10.48 | xand | it's 14:09 GMT... are there any time zones that are GMT-15? |
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| 14:10.49 | xand | GutterPunk: well yes, that's how php works ;) |
| 14:10.49 | xand | maybe make the areas that www-data can write to noexec or something |
| 14:11.31 | GutterPunk | xand, yes I'll try that. Apparently this user spawned an sshd process too |
| 14:11.44 | RichiH | GutterPunk: if it does not appear in the apache logs (did you check the gzipped ones as well?) and you do not have any other logs, you are sol |
| 14:11.55 | fengor | GutterPunk: then i wouldnt trust the machine anymore |
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| 14:12.09 | fengor | take it off the net and build a new uncomprosied box in its place |
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| 14:12.20 | GutterPunk | Dammit, that's the second machine in one week's time that has been compromized.. |
| 14:12.31 | tarzeau | GutterPunk: php again? |
| 14:12.56 | Ronin | tarzeau: i bet it is :) |
| 14:12.58 | GutterPunk | tarzeau, apparently :/ |
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| 14:14.50 | GutterPunk | Damn shame I didn't mount the temp dir nosuid, noexec... |
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| 14:15.20 | GutterPunk | does that actually work for ext3? |
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| 14:18.17 | hunterones | does anyonw know how i get rid of the apache footer that shows the version of php and perl and etc etc..??? |
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| 14:21.11 | RvGaTe | what mount line do i use on fstab whenever there is a space in a sharename ? |
| 14:21.23 | xand | o.o |
| 14:21.30 | xand | quotes? |
| 14:21.39 | RvGaTe | not working |
| 14:21.49 | xand | \ ? |
| 14:21.53 | RvGaTe | tried |
| 14:22.01 | darren | can someone confirm what happens when a 'mv' command fails. Are some files moved, others not or does the original remain intact so the operation can be redone? |
| 14:22.49 | xand | probably depends on why it fails |
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| 14:23.25 | darren | 2 cases are permissions on subdirectories and disk space |
| 14:23.45 | RvGaTe | xand, tells me line 15 (the line i added) in /etc/fstab is bad... |
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| 14:24.01 | RvGaTe | xand, //192.168.1.101/Mijn\ documenten /mnt/aerle.local.lan/Docs smbfs defaults,username=rvgate,password=xxxxx,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 14:24.04 | xand | darren: TIAS ;) |
| 14:24.05 | darren | or perhaps the question should be, how can I do a quick compare of source/target from the shell |
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| 14:25.01 | Mooi | Hello, how can I install Debian to a separate directory without having to boot from anywhere? I want a simple install to another partition. |
| 14:25.18 | RvGaTe | xand, whenever i remove the "\ " it gives me the error hthat the sharename is incorrect... |
| 14:25.31 | azeem | Mooi: debootstrap for something minimal |
| 14:25.56 | azeem | Mooi: or just install it on a spare partition, and tell it to no install a boot loader |
| 14:26.10 | Mooi | I don't even want to boot a CD or anything... that's the deal |
| 14:26.18 | Mooi | I want to install it through a running (Gentoo) system |
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| 14:27.07 | Mooi | thanks, I'll try it out |
| 14:27.20 | fengor | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 14:27.31 | xand | RvGaTe: dont' know |
| 14:27.39 | Mooi | ah nice |
| 14:28.12 | fengor | a quick google can be helpful sometimes ;) |
| 14:28.41 | GutterPunk | According to ps www-data was able to spawn two sshd processes. Any ideas on how to get more information from this? I ran a local nmap but could not find any open ports, except for the ones I know of. I'd just like to find the bastard's ip address, or something at least that points me in the right direction |
| 14:28.59 | xand | netstat? |
| 14:29.07 | xand | GutterPunk: I suggest iptables. |
| 14:29.07 | wols | GutterPunk: netstat -anp |
| 14:29.09 | Mooi | hehe fengor :-) |
| 14:29.11 | wols | not nmap if you do it locally |
| 14:29.15 | xand | block everything that shouldn't be open |
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| 14:29.38 | wols | nmap is shit for finding random open ports |
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| 14:30.22 | chemaja | wols, cant you implement some kind of scan avoidance |
| 14:30.49 | chemaja | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 14:31.05 | wols | chemaja: sure. you can pretend to be a closed port but open with "knocking" for example |
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| 14:31.47 | wols | GutterPunk: much more important than to see where they are now, is: how did they get in |
| 14:31.58 | wols | after a breach you need to reinstall EVERYTHING anyways |
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| 14:32.26 | kaminski-ltsp-br | sai |
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| 14:32.53 | xand | what? |
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| 14:34.04 | ndazza | i have a problem with a raid5 |
| 14:34.20 | ndazza | output of 'cat /proc/mdstat' is in #flood |
| 14:34.42 | xand | ndazza: pastebin, don't use #flood |
| 14:35.10 | ndazza | xand, that's a webpage right? do you have the url? |
| 14:35.18 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:35.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 14:35.23 | GutterPunk | wols, yes I understand. Well, I'd like to find out how they got in. All I know is the process was started as www-data, executables were placed in a subfolder of tmp and then executed. |
| 14:35.36 | ndazza | thanks abrotman |
| 14:35.37 | wols | classical attack via php |
| 14:35.54 | xand | GutterPunk: look for pages that allow file uploads? |
| 14:35.57 | GutterPunk | wols, netstat shows connections to a few irc servers. This one apparently acts as a DOS bot |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | or tell us *before* you paste |
| 14:36.49 | ndazza | database seems to be down for the pastebin |
| 14:37.17 | abrotman | works fine here |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 14:38.00 | ndazza | ahh, i was on a different pastebin (!) |
| 14:38.03 | wols | GutterPunk: welocme your new Zombie Overlords GutterPunk |
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| 14:38.33 | GutterPunk | xand, I see that the unknown connections are originating from one specific IP we use for a SSL host. So this hosting is probably the culprit. Or am I jumping to conclusions? |
| 14:38.36 | wols | GutterPunk: now find out their channels and who is in there so you can tell the opers |
| 14:38.39 | ndazza | must have been a PEBKAC problem |
| 14:38.46 | ndazza | output is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5929 |
| 14:38.56 | wols | what servers do they use? undernet? efnet? or some obscure network in south america? |
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| 14:39.09 | ndazza | looks like a faulty drive, thing is it's brand new: i think i did something wrong when i assembled it |
| 14:39.11 | wols | GutterPunk: probably |
| 14:39.17 | wols | it is the one I guess |
| 14:39.24 | abrotman | ndazza: and what's your actual problem ? |
| 14:39.27 | wols | but if the ssl one is compromised, you REALLY have a problem |
| 14:39.29 | xand | GutterPunk: do you offer php/hosting to third parties then? |
| 14:40.03 | ndazza | so my question is: how can i get mdadm to rebuild the array, rewriting the contents of sdb1? |
| 14:40.03 | GutterPunk | xand, yes. But this is an old server. The newer servers use suphp and suexec, allowing for more control. Safe mode is on by default. |
| 14:40.51 | GutterPunk | On this older server the php.ini is customized to accomodate the needs of various users. The main reason why we want to get rid of it |
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| 14:41.03 | ndazza | i can assemble the array using mdadm but beyond that i can't figure out how to manage it properly :( |
| 14:42.38 | ndazza | here is the output of mdadm -D /dev/md0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5930 |
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| 14:44.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: today popcon.ubuntu.com has more participants than popcon.debian.org :( |
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| 14:44.53 | brauno | came across this simple and cool website promoting free and open software at wlaoye.no-ip.biz. |
| 14:45.07 | brauno | it has link to debian too. |
| 14:45.13 | rpc | is there a tool to check disk overload? |
| 14:45.26 | rpc | or basically i/o activity |
| 14:45.35 | ndazza | rpc, vmstat? |
| 14:45.44 | tarzeau | rpc: wmhdplop ? |
| 14:45.46 | rpc | oh hm thank you |
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| 14:46.02 | tarzeau | rpc: it monitos /proc/diskstats |
| 14:46.43 | brauno | rpc: gkrellm can also monitor disk read/write. |
| 14:47.32 | ScHiZniK | ` |
| 14:47.46 | tarzeau | bragon: funny... |
| 14:48.05 | bragon | what ? |
| 14:48.23 | tarzeau | bragon: i meant brauno |
| 14:48.36 | bragon | ok |
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| 14:50.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: they probably install it by default .. along with a zillion other things .. i doubt it's voluntary |
| 14:50.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 they say they don't do it by default. and no auto run either, they claim |
| 14:51.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: but maybe they create the largest army of robots and bots. blind brainless mass of people |
| 14:52.10 | psyco-obiwan | is it a problem to symlink /tmp to /var/tmp for space reasons in a installed system ? |
| 14:52.48 | tarzeau | psyco-obiwan: not if they have both the same owner/group and access permissions |
| 14:52.52 | ndazza | seems to be working: i just removed then added the device and now it is rebuilding |
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| 14:53.51 | psyco-obiwan | tarzeau: yep, they have, i only thought because of programs writing to both and getting confused..thx |
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| 14:54.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's bullshit .. it must go on with the desktop install |
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| 14:55.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: but doesn't the etch installer ask you to participate now ? |
| 14:55.18 | xand | yes |
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| 14:57.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes it does |
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| 14:58.21 | xand | wtf is #ubuntu+1? |
| 14:58.34 | tarzeau | xand: feisty stuff |
| 14:58.36 | xand | does freenode replay the conversation with 1 hour lag? |
| 14:58.36 | ndazza | abrotman, tarzeau, i have an ubuntu laptop. popularity contest is installed and i don't remember installing it |
| 14:58.44 | anapivirtua | Bonne nuit all / Night all |
| 14:58.46 | tarzeau | xand: i don't think so, why? |
| 14:58.54 | tarzeau | ndazza: feisty? |
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| 14:58.56 | xand | that's what +1 channels are ;P |
| 14:59.07 | ndazza | tarzeau, nah edgy. feisty is going on soon |
| 14:59.07 | xand | anapivirtua: not sure "all" is french :P |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: see |
| 14:59.27 | tarzeau | abrotman, ndazza: interesting... |
| 14:59.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd be interested to see if the liveCD runs popcon and reports it |
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| 14:59.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: though it's OT here :) |
| 14:59.53 | xand | damn offtopicness |
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| 15:00.04 | ndazza | abrotman, feisty or edgy? i have cds of both i could test :) |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. but it's still OT :) |
| 15:00.20 | h3sp4wn | ndazza: whether its enabled is the important thing |
| 15:00.32 | ndazza | abrotman, true |
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| 15:00.45 | h3sp4wn | or unimportant (anything with beryl above useful programs is useless stats) |
| 15:01.10 | hark | omgz spyware in ubuntu! |
| 15:01.15 | ndazza | from /etc/popularity-contest.conf: PARTICIPATE="no" |
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| 15:02.06 | VImtermute | oeay |
| 15:02.11 | ndazza | same with a server i have access to |
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| 15:04.06 | SexyKen | Hey everyone -- I'm running a cached DNS services on a 3.00Ghz Xeon with 1GB of Ram and it seems to be giving me some issues, it's resolving very very slowly |
| 15:04.10 | SexyKen | I can't seem to find out why |
| 15:04.34 | tarzeau | SexyKen: hostname or ip? |
| 15:04.47 | ndazza | SexyKen, is ipv6 enabled? |
| 15:05.25 | SexyKen | ndazza in bind? |
| 15:05.58 | SexyKen | tarzeau: Sample query: query: rtn9.grp.scd.yahoo.com IN A |
| 15:06.12 | ndazza | SexyKen, in the kernel |
| 15:06.18 | petemc | SexyKen: rndc querylog will toggle verbose logging |
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| 15:06.49 | SexyKen | Not sure, ndazza -- any sure fire way to tell? |
| 15:07.04 | ndazza | SexyKen, 'lsmod | grep ipv6' |
| 15:07.25 | SexyKen | ipv6 269344 30 |
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| 15:08.03 | ndazza | SexyKen, you could try adding a line 'blacklist ipv6' to the module blacklist (i think its /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist) and rebooting |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | is your hostname in /etc/hosts ? |
| 15:08.36 | ndazza | SexyKen, provided you don't use ipv6 of course :) |
| 15:08.47 | SexyKen | abrotman: Yes, our host name is in /etc/hosts |
| 15:09.00 | SexyKen | ndazza: So you're thinking ipv6 may be providing an issue? |
| 15:09.22 | abrotman | i think it's a dns issue! |
| 15:09.41 | SexyKen | ? |
| 15:09.42 | ndazza | SexyKen, perhaps. there's a problem that often comes up with desktop apps when ipv6 is enabled and crappy routers don't know what to do with ipv6 requests |
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| 15:10.12 | SexyKen | We're using catalys 3750's -- not horrible routers |
| 15:10.12 | ndazza | SexyKen, i would have thought it wouldn't affect bind, but it's possible. if you don't need ipv6 you probably shouldn't load it anyway (AFAIK) |
| 15:10.41 | ndazza | SexyKen, then i may be way off the mark - but it can't hurt to try :) |
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| 15:11.58 | Inf3rn0 | How can I get a "log" of what commands a user has done over SSH? |
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| 15:12.33 | xand | Inf3rn0: assuming you should, look in .bash_history |
| 15:13.00 | dimir | !nickometer Inf3rn0 |
| 15:13.02 | dpkg | 'Inf3rn0' is 37.000% lame, dimir |
| 15:13.05 | Inf3rn0 | I know |
| 15:13.06 | Inf3rn0 | :P |
| 15:13.19 | Inf3rn0 | !nickometer Billgates |
| 15:13.21 | dpkg | 'Billgates' is 0.000% lame, inf3rn0 |
| 15:13.23 | dimir | :-D |
| 15:13.25 | dimir | \o/ |
| 15:13.27 | Inf3rn0 | :P |
| 15:14.08 | Inf3rn0 | ROFL! |
| 15:14.14 | Inf3rn0 | Greatest bahs_history ever |
| 15:14.16 | Inf3rn0 | *bash |
| 15:14.29 | Inf3rn0 | This is the whole thing! |
| 15:14.30 | Inf3rn0 | ls |
| 15:14.30 | Inf3rn0 | cd public/ |
| 15:14.30 | Inf3rn0 | ls |
| 15:14.30 | Inf3rn0 | cd .. |
| 15:14.30 | Inf3rn0 | pwd |
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| 15:14.42 | Inf3rn0 | Liar |
| 15:14.44 | dimir | Inf3rn0: you can force user to use 'script' and read everything he did. |
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| 15:15.02 | xand | imo you shouldn't read people's files without their permission |
| 15:15.07 | rambo3 | !enter |
| 15:15.08 | dimir | But yeah |
| 15:15.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 15:17.09 | rellik | is there a better way of saving a processes PID to a file than ps .. | awk ... > file ? |
| 15:17.17 | petemc | pidof ? |
| 15:17.25 | Inf3rn0 | :) |
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| 15:17.30 | VImtermute | :>>> |
| 15:17.43 | rellik | oooh nice :) |
| 15:17.59 | Inf3rn0 | wolfram:~# pidof pidof |
| 15:17.59 | Inf3rn0 | 18853 |
| 15:18.01 | Inf3rn0 | :O |
| 15:18.34 | xand | open wide |
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| 15:20.54 | Inf3rn0 | Someone tell me about something fun I can do in Etch. i'm bored |
| 15:21.00 | Inf3rn0 | *I'm |
| 15:21.16 | Ronin | Inf3rn0: play frozen bubble |
| 15:21.30 | Inf3rn0 | I don't use a desktop envoierment |
| 15:21.33 | Inf3rn0 | asd |
| 15:21.35 | Inf3rn0 | I can't type |
| 15:21.44 | bragon | themanaworld.org a good gpl mmorpg |
| 15:21.47 | bragon | the first ! |
| 15:21.55 | Inf3rn0 | :o |
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| 15:22.55 | atrus | rellik: atrus@agaeris:~$ xterm & PIDOFXTERM=$! ; sleep 2; ps $PIDOFXTERM |
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| 15:25.26 | rellik | anyone here use monit? I'm having trouble getting it to email me the at the right times |
| 15:25.35 | rellik | it emails me when everything is fine, instead of when things go wrong |
| 15:26.38 | dimir | wow, sounds handy! |
| 15:27.55 | rellik | very reassuring |
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| 15:30.57 | rpc | i'm able to paypal some money to a person who can tell me how to fix my drives |
| 15:31.03 | rpc | i'm really hands down on that after a week or more |
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| 15:31.11 | rpc | anyone interested? |
| 15:31.11 | abchirk | lol? |
| 15:31.21 | Gnea | rpc: what drives? |
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| 15:31.33 | rpc | i'm having SHITTY problem and i really need help with this |
| 15:31.43 | rpc | Gnea sata 300 gigers |
| 15:31.46 | rpc | they work like shit |
| 15:31.52 | abchirk | maybe you tell your problem otherwise noone could help ya |
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| 15:31.55 | rpc | something is wrong and i cant tell what it is |
| 15:31.58 | Gnea | rpc: make/model? on a make/model motherboard with a what chipset? |
| 15:32.08 | rpc | hm i will try to tell you as much as possible and keep it simple still |
| 15:32.10 | defcon8 | rpc, checked dmesg for errors? |
| 15:32.11 | irule | how can I see a list of installed packages only? |
| 15:32.15 | rpc | defcon8 no errors |
| 15:32.21 | rpc | let me explain: |
| 15:32.22 | abrotman | rpc: Sil controllers? |
| 15:32.26 | cydork | irule: dpkg -l |
| 15:32.40 | Gnea | rpc: we don't let you, no one is stopping you. :) |
| 15:32.47 | rpc | drives act like they were old ata ones with no dma enabled, they suck most od my 4600+ dual core when moving files etc. |
| 15:32.49 | abrotman | rpc: Sil controllers? |
| 15:33.06 | rpc | how do i debug this shit? this is the last time i'm begging for help |
| 15:33.09 | Gnea | rpc: using what kernel? |
| 15:33.13 | rpc | abrotman what's sil? |
| 15:33.18 | rpc | Gnea 2.6.20 |
| 15:33.19 | abrotman | card manufacturer |
| 15:33.25 | rpc | i can give you logs etc. |
| 15:33.26 | abrotman | so it's a self-compiled kernel ? |
| 15:33.27 | rpc | just HELP :) |
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| 15:33.32 | abrotman | is it SIL or not? |
| 15:33.35 | Gnea | rpc: we don't help those that demand it. |
| 15:33.36 | rpc | abrotman i got it from some reliable source |
| 15:33.47 | rpc | abrotman no |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | rpc: i don't really give a shit .. it's your selfcompiled kernel .. |
| 15:33.53 | Gnea | rpc: there's a method here. respect it or get out. |
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| 15:33.55 | Gnea | !ask |
| 15:33.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:33.57 | rpc | abrotman it's a MSI board with onboard controller... |
| 15:34.06 | abrotman | rpc: so is it a sil controller or not? |
| 15:34.14 | rpc | abrotman ok let's get to the bones |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | if you don't know .. ask us how to find out? |
| 15:34.21 | rpc | i will bring lspci |
| 15:34.22 | Gnea | rpc: just answer the question. |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | instead of acting like a twat |
| 15:34.40 | rpc | look, i'm really out of my brain already |
| 15:34.45 | Gnea | obvious |
| 15:34.49 | rpc | try to understand me, haven't slept for 2 days |
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| 15:35.00 | rpc | i DO need it fixed NOW |
| 15:35.01 | Gnea | fuck that, go get some sleep, we don't want to deal with you. |
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| 15:35.09 | Gnea | that's too bad. |
| 15:35.11 | rpc | no, it will be fixed |
| 15:35.14 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.18 | Gnea | and not by us. |
| 15:35.20 | rpc | just tell me what you need to know |
| 15:35.28 | Gnea | we already have, and you've already failed |
| 15:35.30 | rpc | i don't know what kind of info first to make it easier |
| 15:35.31 | Gnea | too bad, so sad |
| 15:35.47 | Gnea | well, if you hadn't been such a dick in the first place... |
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| 15:35.53 | rpc | ok thanks |
| 15:35.56 | Gnea | no problem. |
| 15:35.59 | rpc | bye # |
| 15:36.19 | rpc | after a few months of being here i just quit |
| 15:36.22 | rpc | thanks. |
| 15:36.23 | me_here | why can't i attach gdb to running irssi is there a reason ? |
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| 15:36.46 | Gnea | you know, i really hate doing that |
| 15:36.49 | Gnea | but seriously |
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| 15:37.26 | me_here | no problems doing strace on irssi though |
| 15:37.29 | me_here | hrmmm.... |
| 15:37.34 | Gnea | you know, if you call up GE's technical support line and start swearing and getting nasty like he did, they'll hang up on you. |
| 15:37.37 | abrotman | Gnea: should we know him ? |
| 15:38.02 | Gnea | abrotman: i've seen him around, but never seen him acting like such a dumbass before. 2 days without sleep? no doubt. |
| 15:38.18 | Gnea | yeah, he's a dumbass usually, but not to that level |
| 15:38.20 | hark | he's been acting like that for quite some time now |
| 15:38.28 | abrotman | i have a feeling he was here before under a different nick |
| 15:39.01 | Gnea | just some stupid german who thinks he knows it all - funny though, if he knew it all, then why is he asking us for help? |
| 15:39.20 | Gnea | and when we're all "okay, we'll help" he's all "look, just help me fix it" |
| 15:39.38 | Pobega | exit |
| 15:39.49 | pokingfun | Gnea, be sure people don't smarter than him? |
| 15:40.08 | Gnea | pokingfun: he's insecure |
| 15:40.16 | me_here | who'm are you talking of |
| 15:40.35 | Gnea | if you weren't paying attention, then you don't need to ask |
| 15:40.37 | pokingfun | ask Gnea |
| 15:40.48 | me_here | Gnea?? |
| 15:40.53 | pokingfun | ... |
| 15:41.26 | pokingfun | please press "G" then "TAB" |
| 15:42.11 | me_here | oh i suck! |
| 15:42.14 | pokingfun | hahaha |
| 15:42.16 | xand | me_here: we know |
| 15:42.17 | me_here | lol |
| 15:42.23 | VImtermute | :> |
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| 15:42.28 | VImtermute | or, better |
| 15:42.36 | Axehat | Hey all |
| 15:43.08 | VImtermute | imagine some noob looking for the 'return' key |
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| 15:43.25 | pokingfun | hahahahahahaha |
| 15:43.30 | Testerss | Does Etch support dual Intel Quad-core processors? |
| 15:43.30 | pokingfun | cheap~ |
| 15:43.39 | Gnea | Testerss: yes |
| 15:43.58 | Axehat | VImtermute: I was showing someone how to use some software, i told them to hit the 'enter' key and they looked at me like I was crazy |
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| 15:44.07 | irule | how can I fix this? dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 15:44.16 | me_here | they do it extra you know |
| 15:44.18 | me_here | lol |
| 15:44.18 | Testerss | Gnea I couldn't find any documents to support that... any suggestions? |
| 15:44.29 | VImtermute | Axehat, heh |
| 15:44.43 | Gnea | Testerss: it's really dependent on the kernel. |
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| 15:45.15 | Gnea | Testerss: but yes, debian has always maintained kernel packages with SMP support for i686 |
| 15:45.15 | Testerss | oh ok. |
| 15:45.29 | Testerss | So 2.6.18+ should do the trick? |
| 15:45.31 | Gnea | it may not support it out of the box, you'd need to install a special kernel for it |
| 15:45.45 | eisen | when using bootcd to create a live cd of an existing install that is mounted at some mount point do I have to use a relative path in SRCDSK? |
| 15:45.48 | Gnea | try apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 smp |
| 15:46.05 | Testerss | thanks |
| 15:46.08 | eisen | because with an absolute path it seems to mix up the running debian with the mounted one when creating the disk |
| 15:46.12 | Gnea | no problem |
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| 15:48.14 | Axehat | shit... I just wasted a load of time compiling giFt and the gnutella plugin when I could have got it from Apt all along :-( |
| 15:49.15 | Axehat | why? |
| 15:49.19 | Axehat | WHY?! |
| 15:49.36 | VImtermute | it's the eye-dee-ten-tee error |
| 15:49.53 | VImtermute | also, the black holes are in a bad configuration |
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| 15:50.05 | VImtermute | maybe you should flick the power switch a few times |
| 15:50.07 | VImtermute | about 30 |
| 15:50.11 | VImtermute | >:) |
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| 15:50.20 | VImtermute | (bofh) |
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| 16:02.28 | RangerRick | I'm updating from slapd 2.3.30-2 to 2.3.30-5 and it's been stuck doing a slapcat for over a half-hour, is this normal? I'm afraid to kill it... :) |
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| 16:08.07 | en1gma | hi all |
| 16:08.16 | maheem | u2 |
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| 16:09.53 | en1gma | i did an 'apt-get -d dist-upgrade' and all the pkgs are in /var/cache/apt/archive i believe...now if i want to install the actual dist-upgrade from there which is locally what do i need to do |
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| 16:10.16 | wols | en1gma: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:10.29 | Inf3rn0 | Where can I check the reason for a cronjob not bein executed? |
| 16:10.44 | en1gma | it keeps trying to check online when im disconnected |
| 16:11.09 | wols | !tell en1gma about apt-zip |
| 16:11.16 | Inf3rn0 | *being |
| 16:11.44 | Inf3rn0 | -bash: apt-zip: command not found |
| 16:11.46 | Inf3rn0 | ;) |
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| 16:12.06 | en1gma | wols that will work even after i have already did the apt-get -d dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:15.14 | wols | en1gma: yes it will work |
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| 16:16.21 | en1gma | the command apt-zip sounds like it just zips the pkgs |
| 16:16.25 | roxy_ | Hi, I am using debian testing on amd64, with an epson stylus c66 printer that was working fine untill yesterday. Since it gives me a: Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds... . I tried to restart cupsys, delete and readd the printer (both with kde and localhost:631. It sees and add the printer without problem, but when trying to print same problem. |
| 16:16.29 | en1gma | im in windows right now so i cant test it |
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| 16:16.49 | roxy_ | I also set log to debug, but can't find anything meaningfull in the output. |
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| 16:17.40 | roxy_ | I also rebooted but still the same message. |
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| 16:19.45 | Pobega | roxy_: Do you have any confirmation that the printer is working under another operating system/computer? |
| 16:19.47 | me_here | shallt i swing my ass left and right now or what ? |
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| 16:21.27 | roxy_ | Pobega: it was working on saturday. atm I only have my debian system, but you made a good point. I'll try with something else. |
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| 16:22.38 | Pobega | roxy_: If the logs are showing nothing then I would check it with another OS/Computer before jumping into messing with the software; Because you'll probably end up breaking more than you fix. |
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| 16:27.28 | sisko | my local server runs in port 8090 but the clients are accessing the service from port 80. so i am PREROUTEing it with REDIRECTion from iptables 80 to 8090. is it a true approach indeed? |
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| 16:29.36 | maheem | sisko, i think REDIRECT at least |
| 16:30.27 | wols | sisko: your local server behind a nat and you ask for the iptables nat line? |
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| 16:35.57 | Rictoo | WHO WANTS TO PLAY A GAME OF IRC UNO!? (we need a couple more ppl) PM ME! |
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| 16:36.43 | happy_broccoli | how can i migrate from other thunderbird to debian thunderbird? i copied .thunderbird and named it .mozilla-thunderbird |
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| 16:38.04 | Pobega | happy_broccoli: I've never used Thunderbird/Icedove, but if I had to guess the directory would be ~/.mozilla/thunderbird |
| 16:38.38 | valdyn | Pobega: guessed wrong |
| 16:38.39 | happy_broccoli | Pobega: nah. only firefox is in ther |
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| 16:39.06 | Pobega | Sorry then, not much more advice I can offer. :( |
| 16:39.08 | valdyn | happy_broccoli: which debian release? |
| 16:39.19 | Pobega | Could the folder possibly be icedove and not thunderbird? |
| 16:39.39 | happy_broccoli | valdyn: ubuntu |
| 16:39.57 | valdyn | happy_broccoli: that's not a debian release /j #ubuntu |
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| 16:42.04 | Pobega | Yeah, sorry to deny you happy_broccoli, but there is a channel for Ubuntu users called #ubuntu; You'd get a better answer there. |
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| 16:58.44 | irule | !dp mandra |
| 16:58.49 | Thaiger | What is the command to update the hash table I think it is that keeps track of binaries. For example I just remove the ffmpeg package and built it and now running ffmpeg gives me /usr/bin/ffmpeg no such file or directory |
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| 16:59.07 | irule | or how can I see the mantra for compiling a kernel? |
| 16:59.11 | irule | !dk mandra |
| 16:59.15 | irule | !kp mandra |
| 16:59.19 | irule | !kp mantra |
| 16:59.19 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
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| 17:00.27 | wols | !tell irule about msg the bot |
| 17:00.56 | wols | Thaiger: ffmpeg is a library, no? |
| 17:01.01 | wols | how do you run it? |
| 17:01.16 | wols | ah. binary too |
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| 17:01.39 | wols | Thaiger: that is no has, it's your $PATH env variable |
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| 17:04.38 | Thaiger | wols: OK, I have ffmpeg in my path |
| 17:04.58 | Thaiger | wols: It used to be at /usr/bin/ffmpeg and isn't anymore, it is now somewhere else in my path |
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| 17:05.30 | abrotman | Thaiger: updatedb |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | Thaiger: oh .. where is it? `which ffmpeg` |
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| 17:06.29 | Thaiger | abrotman: /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 17:07.33 | abrotman | that should be in your path |
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| 17:08.21 | Thaiger | It is |
| 17:08.44 | Thaiger | abrotman: I had the ffmpeg package installed, then removed it and built and installed from source |
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| 17:22.00 | Thaiger | Similar to rehash, but debian doesn't seem to have it |
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| 17:24.34 | jargonjustin | How do I change the mount point of an LVM logical volume? |
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| 17:27.59 | rahul | hrm, what's a nice one-letter abbreviation that distinguises between heterogenous and homogenous |
| 17:28.15 | rahul | with extra e's thrown in where needed |
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| 17:29.29 | jargonjustin | My connection dropped earlier, how do I change the mount point of an LVM logical volume in Etch? |
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| 17:32.30 | pickcoder | jargonjustin: is it not in fstab? |
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| 17:32.33 | Tallu | jargonjustin: as you would with any partition? try editing fstab |
| 17:32.42 | Tallu | pickcoder: hehe |
| 17:32.50 | fasta | How do you download a video like the following? http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/070214-ee380-300.asx I managed to do it, but I had to open 2 or 3 text files to do so. I.e. not user-friendly. |
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| 17:33.03 | pickcoder | mount and umount work with lvm volumes |
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| 17:33.06 | shwag | how can I get a description of package before installing it with apt-get ? |
| 17:33.20 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.24 | cydork | shwag: man apt-cache |
| 17:33.35 | fasta | shwag: aptitude can also do it |
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| 17:33.52 | fasta | shwag: or synaptic for GUI |
| 17:34.07 | jargonjustin | pickcoder, Tallu: Thanks! For some reason it didn't work before :-/ |
| 17:34.12 | pickcoder | shwag: apt-cache show <package> |
| 17:34.34 | Tallu | jargonjustin: well, good if it works now =) |
| 17:35.39 | pickcoder | ok this is odd... one wireless-N card gets 270mb in iwconfig.. two cards gets a mix. one has 54MB and the other has 127MB |
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| 17:38.26 | rhalff | anyone uses debian in the car ? :) |
| 17:38.46 | rhalff | searching for something different then just a cd player |
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| 17:39.43 | cydork | rhalff: google for mini itx :P |
| 17:39.54 | rhalff | ah thanks |
| 17:40.00 | cydork | rhalff: and vroom2 case ;) |
| 17:40.11 | rhalff | cydork, you have it installed ? |
| 17:40.33 | pickcoder | I may be setting something like that up my minivan |
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| 17:41.38 | rhalff | http://shop.thegadgetswarehouse.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=120 |
| 17:42.08 | pickcoder | www.mini-itx.com |
| 17:42.32 | pickcoder | there are a few sites around that do custom ITX setups |
| 17:42.45 | pickcoder | several case styles and power options |
| 17:43.02 | rhalff | also a 100 euro option ? :D |
| 17:43.35 | wols | rhalff: and either use only old, notebook harddisk or better: flash only |
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| 17:46.19 | rhalff | hm ok too expensive |
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| 17:48.47 | pickcoder | here's a voompc barebones for ~350US |
| 17:49.34 | Ezep | how i can find the lib called libGLI.so.1? |
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| 17:50.04 | wols | !tell Ezep about search |
| 17:50.46 | Ezep | !tell Ezep about libGLI.so.1 |
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| 17:51.06 | wols | !tell Ezep about msg the bot |
| 17:51.15 | wols | and what you tried to do makes no sense, sorry |
| 17:51.34 | Ezep | :p hehe i but tryed... |
| 17:52.00 | wols | maybe you should state your problem better, hm? |
| 17:52.12 | Ezep | ...ok |
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| 17:52.36 | Ezep | im using a debian based linux, and 5 of my games need this lib... |
| 17:52.39 | wols | but I can tell you already there is no libGLI in debian |
| 17:52.44 | wols | !debian based |
| 17:52.45 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 17:52.53 | wols | either you run real debian, or this channel is not for you |
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| 17:54.02 | kupesoft | Alright, ticket up: http://trac.aircrack-ng.org/ticket/160 |
| 17:54.07 | kupesoft | woops wrong channel )= |
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| 17:54.16 | xand | OUTRAGEOUS |
| 17:54.33 | cydork | rhalff: na i am thinking of buying one.. :P |
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| 17:54.58 | Ezep | mmm but in #debian-es said me that all the debian based can be discussed there... |
| 17:55.08 | wols | Ezep: they lied |
| 17:55.16 | rhalff | cydork, my car is only worth 2500 euro :p, so I'll skip the idea for now |
| 17:55.26 | cydork | rhalff: haha :P |
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| 17:56.00 | pickcoder | rhalff: you can always use a laptop that has TV out |
| 17:56.13 | BlueParrot | Ezep: you can discuss software that comes with debian here, and some of that software will obviously come with debian-based ones as well, but this is till a debian channel |
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| 17:56.21 | pickcoder | you can pick up LCD panels for like $100US |
| 17:56.41 | Ezep | BlueParrot: ok sorry...:( |
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| 17:57.07 | rhalff | pickcoder, hm ok true, will have to take out the laptop to recharge every time then. |
| 17:57.31 | wols | BlueParrot: we cannot troubleshoot other distros. many distros use even debian packages to a degree like kanotix, knoppix, etc. but that does us no good since they're still not debian |
| 17:57.37 | pickcoder | rhalff: nope.. you can get DC/DC adapters or you can get an AC inverter |
| 17:57.37 | rhalff | pickcoder, ah and my concept also need motion sensored cams and such :p |
| 17:57.58 | wols | and we still don#t know about those distros idiosyncrasis |
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| 17:57.58 | rhalff | pickcoder, ah :) |
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| 17:58.04 | wols | BlueParrot: and debian certainly doesn't tell any disto out there to use debian packages |
| 17:58.07 | BlueParrot | wols: yea I know, I just meant that certain things might overlap |
| 17:58.20 | pickcoder | rhalff: the main thing with burying laptops under a seat is proper air flow under and over it |
| 17:58.29 | BlueParrot | wols: as an example, I imagine setting up OpenSSH would be the same ... |
| 17:58.34 | wols | BlueParrot: yes, but then it's ##linux |
| 17:58.41 | wols | even if it's the same: it's still the wrong channel |
| 17:58.47 | BlueParrot | hmmm yea I suppose |
| 17:59.22 | rhalff | pickcoder, thanks seems like a nice budget option |
| 17:59.24 | Ezep | wols: i don t ever said that #debian support other distros |
| 17:59.39 | Ezep | wols: i said thet #debian-es do it |
| 18:00.08 | pickcoder | rhalff: there are a few IR USB remotes that work with KDE/Gnome so you can go that route with mouse emulation (instead of touchscreens) |
| 18:00.23 | pickcoder | touchscreens are $200US and up |
| 18:00.40 | BlueParrot | Ezep: why don't you try the irc channel of your distro ? |
| 18:01.15 | Ezep | they are like statues, they are there but they don t talk :s |
| 18:01.17 | h3sp4wn | Ezep: What distro is it ? |
| 18:01.22 | pickcoder | though touchscreens are nice... |
| 18:01.31 | Ezep | bad support :( |
| 18:01.47 | pickcoder | I'll problaby mount a couple of hinged LCDs in the root and use a single remote for mine |
| 18:01.54 | pickcoder | probably even |
| 18:01.58 | pickcoder | gah |
| 18:02.01 | pickcoder | root == roof |
| 18:02.12 | Ezep | h3sp4wn: Damn Small Linux |
| 18:02.36 | rhalff | pickcoder, be sure to show the final result somewhere online :) |
| 18:02.50 | pickcoder | I have a half-dozen Dell 400-4005Mhz PCS |
| 18:03.00 | pickcoder | I've been considering putting one of those in |
| 18:03.03 | pickcoder | but they're a bit big |
| 18:03.07 | zinx | mmm 4005MHz PCs |
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| 18:03.17 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 18:03.23 | BlueParrot | : ) |
| 18:03.28 | pickcoder | my typing is awful today |
| 18:03.31 | BlueParrot | 4ghz ... |
| 18:03.43 | BlueParrot | or well, I suppose nto quite |
| 18:03.47 | zinx | BlueParrot: 4.005GHz! |
| 18:03.56 | BlueParrot | zinx: still not correct |
| 18:03.56 | |capiira | did you tune your pcs to +5 :)? |
| 18:04.09 | zinx | BlueParrot: excuse me? |
| 18:04.12 | BlueParrot | zinx: or well, yea I suppose it is |
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| 18:04.24 | zinx | Hz are measured with SI units :D |
| 18:04.33 | BlueParrot | frequency isnot necessarily a power of two I suppose :P |
| 18:04.39 | zinx | never :) |
| 18:04.52 | VImtermute | lmao |
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| 18:05.05 | pickcoder | I hope not, consider channels on 2.4Ghz range run in 3 digits |
| 18:05.11 | wols | pickcoder: you want a low power CPU for cars |
| 18:05.26 | pickcoder | wols: I won't need one with a 1000W AC inverter |
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| 18:05.31 | wols | kaminski-ltsp-br: don't do that please |
| 18:05.38 | pickcoder | it won't be on unless the car is running |
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| 18:05.40 | wols | !tell kaminski-ltsp-br about away |
| 18:05.46 | wols | pickcoder: even then |
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| 18:05.52 | pickcoder | I know.. it's a drain |
| 18:05.56 | wols | what do you want to do with the PC? |
| 18:06.00 | wols | what's the workload? |
| 18:06.05 | pickcoder | multimedia center |
| 18:06.14 | pickcoder | future kid candy |
| 18:06.19 | wols | hdtv? |
| 18:06.28 | pickcoder | er no |
| 18:06.31 | pickcoder | 7" LCD |
| 18:06.31 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:06.37 | pickcoder | in my minivan |
| 18:06.43 | pickcoder | gah.. minivan |
| 18:06.53 | pickcoder | I said I'd never actually own one |
| 18:06.54 | wols | then a 4GHz PC is WAY overkill. even at P4 IPC |
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| 18:07.05 | pickcoder | wols: I meant 400Mhz to 500Mhz |
| 18:07.27 | wols | that sounds better :) |
| 18:07.35 | pickcoder | still the case is a bit big |
| 18:07.39 | wols | 25W per CPU is better than 90 :) |
| 18:08.00 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: get an xscale development board (super low power usage) |
| 18:08.07 | larsB_ | hi guys, I have 3 servers running debian sarge but only one static ip, what's the best setup then? I also have a win pc that needs to be online. I just need the basic web services to be run on them, nothing fancy I guess |
| 18:08.12 | pickcoder | I still haven't figured out where to install my subwoofer yet |
| 18:08.25 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: VIA? |
| 18:08.36 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: intel or marvell (arm) |
| 18:08.39 | pickcoder | hm |
| 18:09.18 | pickcoder | can it handle DVD decoding? |
| 18:09.24 | cydork | h3sp4wn: xscale is not suitable for car pc. IMHO |
| 18:10.56 | cydork | h3sp4wn: mini-itx or even nano-itx will do a better job. |
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| 18:10.58 | h3sp4wn | cydork: Why not ? lower power consumption there is an 800mhz one |
| 18:10.59 | h3sp4wn | cydork: x86 is dull |
| 18:10.59 | cydork | h3sp4wn: in terms of apps :) |
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| 18:11.54 | h3sp4wn | cydork: Or if multimedia is important there is those Renesas sh boards - what sort of apps ? |
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| 18:12.09 | pickcoder | DVD, MP3, GPS, etc |
| 18:12.24 | pickcoder | I'm going all out if I do it |
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| 18:12.55 | pickcoder | I'm considering ITX because I can do multiple display |
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| 18:14.42 | pickcoder | though that depends on the cost |
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| 18:15.58 | z1ppy | hi, dows any1 know how to crypt a word to shadow compatible password? (/etc/shadow) |
| 18:16.11 | zinx | z1ppy: mkpasswd |
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| 18:16.18 | dogmeat | how can i tell which device is mapped to the modem? tried /dev/ttyS[0123], but vwdialer was not able to initialize the internal modem |
| 18:16.34 | azeem | dogmeat: do you have sl-modem drivers loaded? |
| 18:16.39 | zinx | z1ppy: be careful editing /etc/shadow, though |
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| 18:17.04 | z1ppy | zinx, ok thx, but r u sure mkpasswd create a shadow compatible? |
| 18:17.20 | cydork | h3sp4wn: well i am too lazy to port everything i need(or might need!) ;) |
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| 18:17.31 | muysa | i installed debain etch or whatever its called and i dont see php5 when i do apt-cache search php |
| 18:17.36 | muysa | just php4 |
| 18:17.37 | dogmeat | azeem: lsmod has that info? |
| 18:17.41 | zinx | z1ppy: it uses crypt(3), so yeah. |
| 18:17.45 | muysa | anybody know why/ |
| 18:17.46 | muysa | ? |
| 18:17.50 | amphi | muysa: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:18.10 | muysa | 3.1 |
| 18:18.11 | z1ppy | zinx, but crypt has a salt |
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| 18:18.13 | muysa | what the hell |
| 18:18.20 | azeem | dogmeat: if you didn't build them yourself, you probably haven't, they're not out of the box |
| 18:18.21 | zinx | z1ppy: So does what mkpasswd outputs. |
| 18:18.23 | amphi | muysa: duh ;) |
| 18:18.31 | z1ppy | a shadow has more than 20/25 characters |
| 18:18.31 | muysa | i downloaded the latest one i thought, can i upgrade it from here? |
| 18:18.36 | dogmeat | azeem: found that the modem is ALi Corp M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller from lspci .. |
| 18:18.36 | z1ppy | mkpasswd returns 10/15 |
| 18:18.45 | zinx | z1ppy: it's probably defaulting to DES |
| 18:18.49 | azeem | dogmeat: that's a winmodem |
| 18:18.50 | hamid | saimazoon: hala lotfan bepors :). |
| 18:18.52 | zinx | z1ppy: you can use -H md5 if you want an md5'd password |
| 18:18.57 | saimazoon | sabr kon |
| 18:19.04 | zinx | z1ppy: both work, md5 is a lot more secure. |
| 18:19.04 | dogmeat | 'k |
| 18:19.06 | muysa | amphi, what? how can i upgrade without reinstalling? |
| 18:19.20 | dogmeat | i dont think it's gonna work then ... :D |
| 18:19.20 | z1ppy | zinx, hmm, so there is a crypt+md5 |
| 18:19.22 | amphi | !tell muysa about sarge->etch |
| 18:19.31 | azeem | dogmeat: get sl-modem-daemon and sl-modem-source from *non-free*, and build kernel kernel modules for you kernel |
| 18:19.38 | azeem | dogmeat: that /might/ work |
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| 18:19.55 | muysa | amphi, huh? |
| 18:20.14 | z1ppy | zinx, hmmm, thanks |
| 18:20.14 | zinx | z1ppy: crypt(3) supports DES and md5 hashing.. |
| 18:20.28 | amphi | dogmeat: what machine is this winmodem in? I ask because mine seemed as though slmodem would work, but actually the only driver I could get to work was the linuxant one |
| 18:20.49 | amphi | muysa: huh about what? |
| 18:20.58 | h3sp4wn | cydork: For me to do it - it would have to become a part of the car - not just a pc in a car - alot of car pcs I have seen are no better than just using a laptop on the front seat |
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| 18:21.27 | muysa | you did !tell and it did nothing |
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| 18:21.41 | dogmeat | amphi: its a laptop, sony pcg-frv37 |
| 18:21.43 | abrotman | !tell muysa about sarge->etch |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | muysa: the bot hsould tell you something |
| 18:21.58 | muysa | it doesnt |
| 18:22.02 | abrotman | muysa: look for a recently opened window/tab in your irc client |
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| 18:22.20 | muysa | crap yea its in a new window frekaing xchat |
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| 18:22.29 | muysa | sorry about that, thanks |
| 18:22.55 | cydork | h3sp4wn: true, mini-itx has lot of accessories available like pico-psu, cases. and with gps(gpsdrive) so it wont be just a pc :) |
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| 18:25.30 | junix|work | hi, there is still an issue with xmms after the update...its segfaulting still |
| 18:26.05 | VImtermute | any grub gurus in here? |
| 18:26.09 | dogmeat | azeem: thanks trying to build sl-modem for my kernel |
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| 18:26.50 | azeem | dogmeat: use module-assisstant, makes it much easier if you run a stock Debian kernel |
| 18:26.50 | Gambold | finally. |
| 18:26.51 | Gambold | im in |
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| 18:27.12 | Gambold | im having no end up trouble getting my USB mic to work |
| 18:27.14 | Gambold | logitech |
| 18:28.08 | Gambold | how do i restart the USB ? |
| 18:28.17 | Gambold | i unplugged it, typed lsusb |
| 18:28.23 | Gambold | and no power is being fed to the device |
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| 18:28.43 | Gambold | i assume unplugging a USB device is too much for debian to handle? |
| 18:28.53 | jargonjustin_ | I've written a shell script to setup IP tables with the appropriate rules, how do I set it to run when the interface comes up or the DHCP address changes? |
| 18:29.00 | pickcoder | www.mini-box.com has a few nice bare bones packages |
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| 18:29.09 | abrotman | jargonjustin_: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 18:29.20 | jargonjustin_ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:32.39 | wols | jargonjustin_: id it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:32.41 | wols | man interfaces |
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| 18:33.14 | jargonjustin_ | wols: The script needs to have the IP address set, should I use up instead of pre-up ? |
| 18:33.19 | wols | abrotman: how do those howtos in there help him? |
| 18:33.25 | wols | jargonjustin_: doh! |
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| 18:35.17 | dalias | hello |
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| 18:35.30 | frog_ | im trying to compiling gdb (with gcc 4.1.2 and im getting the following error: linux-thread.c:1073: error: label at end of compound statemt |
| 18:36.00 | dalias | frog_, add a semicolon after the label on line 1073 |
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| 18:36.25 | frog_ | dalias: ok, thx |
| 18:36.33 | dalias | (i.e. after the colon) |
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| 18:37.16 | jargonjustin_ | wols: Just making sure I did this right, my script is /etc/network/routing and I added post-up /etc/network/routing for the appropriate interface (since the script will use ipconfig to get the external IP address.) |
| 18:37.21 | dalias | i'm about to install debian, but the machine i'm going to be installing on is diskless except for hdd |
| 18:37.30 | jargonjustin_ | Will this run 1) as root and 2) when the DHCP address changes? |
| 18:37.39 | dalias | is there a website with tips on good ways to do this? |
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| 18:38.17 | abrotman | wols: they tell you how to get it to run at startup |
| 18:38.52 | dalias | i do have usb keys if there's a way to use them.. |
| 18:39.38 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 18:39.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/, or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 18:39.40 | abrotman | maybe ... |
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| 18:42.14 | amphi | dogmeat: could have the same horrid conexant chip that mine does, dunno |
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| 18:46.46 | Moffa | etch: X froze up when konqueror crashed, killed konq from terminal, now mouse moves but doesn't work for rt/lft clicking or on windows or kicker panel kde. Can I start a killed daemon instead of restarting X? Thanks |
| 18:47.11 | Cope | my vi has just segfaulted when editting a file; if i try to edit the same file, I get the error hat the file is busy... how can I relase the file handle? |
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| 18:48.54 | dalias | abrotman, hmm i suppose it would work to use loadlin instead of syslinux? |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | NFC |
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| 18:49.26 | karsten | Cope: What filesystem? |
| 18:49.31 | Cope | karsten: ext2 |
| 18:49.37 | karsten | Cope: lsof <file> |
| 18:49.57 | karsten | Cope: might also want to check your FS integrity or look for disk errors (latter in /var/log/messages). |
| 18:49.59 | dalias | that's not the problem |
| 18:50.06 | karsten | Cope: erm, fuser <file> |
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| 18:50.20 | dalias | a process having the file open does not prevent other processes from using it |
| 18:50.22 | dalias | this is not windows |
| 18:50.24 | afed | linux |
| 18:50.26 | dogmeat | tried to build the sl-modem-source using module-assistant, but it failed, im running ubuntu, diagnostics msg was '/usr/src/modules/sl-modem/drivers/amrmo_init.c:704: error: expected ‘)’ before string constant'. that line of code is ' 704 MODULE_PARM(debug,"i");' i suspected that the function macro #define MODULE_PARAM isn't defined, so i looked to see if right kernel-headers, and other packages were installed correctly for |
| 18:50.26 | dogmeat | the m-a build environment, but can't really tell. |
| 18:50.27 | karsten | Cope: If vim is segfaulting though I suspect other issues. |
| 18:50.34 | dalias | vi (vim?) probably stored a lockfile somewhere |
| 18:50.37 | xand | dogmeat: wrong channel |
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| 18:50.45 | karsten | dalias: That wouldn't segfault it. |
| 18:50.46 | xand | please read the topic |
| 18:50.59 | karsten | Cope: strace vim 2> /tmp/vim.strace |
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| 18:51.07 | dalias | karsten, the old one segfaulted, not the new one.. |
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| 18:51.10 | karsten | Cope: ... and check the contents of the output stream. |
| 18:51.16 | karsten | dalias: Sorry? |
| 18:51.24 | dalias | i'm sure if you use a different editor (joe? emacs?) you'll have no problem opening the file |
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| 18:51.53 | dalias | vim is just refusing to open it because it stored some hidden file somewhere saying "this file is in use" to other vim instances |
| 18:51.58 | xand | I expect vi(m) just warns that the file is open |
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| 18:52.00 | saimazoon | Hello |
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| 18:52.07 | saimazoon | When is Debian Eatch going to be released ? |
| 18:52.09 | xand | it doesn't prevent it |
| 18:52.17 | karsten | Cope: Pastebin the exact command and error output |
| 18:52.22 | karsten | !tell Cope about paster. |
| 18:52.24 | xand | saimazoon: assuming you mean Etch... who knows |
| 18:52.26 | karsten | saimazoon: When it's ready. |
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| 18:52.33 | Cope | saimazoon: SIYH |
| 18:52.39 | saimazoon | So there's no definitive date for its release |
| 18:52.39 | saimazoon | OK |
| 18:52.49 | xand | release date is December 2006 :D |
| 18:52.50 | karsten | saimazoon: Ballpark is April/May. |
| 18:52.56 | karsten | saimazoon: Year is the unknown. |
| 18:53.12 | saimazoon | You don't have to joke around that issue |
| 18:53.13 | saimazoon | I don't care |
| 18:53.14 | Lounis | hi, is there a date for the release of etch? |
| 18:53.24 | saimazoon | Bye |
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| 18:53.25 | RvGaTe | Just wondering, is it actually possible to install Windows XP on a different partition while in Debian... |
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| 18:53.34 | karsten | !topicsmite Lounis |
| 18:53.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Lounis. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:53.47 | karsten | RvGaTe: Via a virtualization tool, yes. |
| 18:53.52 | xand | RvGaTe: what? |
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| 18:54.11 | Lounis | ^.^ |
| 18:54.12 | karsten | RvGaTe: Eg: vmware, qemu. Not sure about Xen. I've done the first two for various flavors of Windows. |
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| 18:54.41 | cydork | karsten: Xen + VT for intel can do that. |
| 18:54.53 | karsten | cydork: Can you run the installer under that? |
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| 18:55.08 | cydork | karsten: yeah |
| 18:55.12 | karsten | cydork: That's the part I'm curious about. Recipie for same might be useful. |
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| 18:56.45 | cydork | karsten: there was some article about it on xensource |
| 18:56.58 | cydork | karsten: let me try to find it. |
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| 18:57.50 | Cope | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5931 |
| 18:58.01 | cydork | karsten: http://www.xensource.com/files/xen_install_windows.pdf |
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| 18:58.07 | Cope | vi isn't segfaulting any more - it seg'd when I was editing my file |
| 18:58.28 | karsten | Cope: So it is or isn't segfaulting? |
| 18:58.38 | karsten | Cope: ... or is it working fine now? |
| 18:58.48 | Cope | it segfaulted once - and now I can't edit the file that I was editing when it segfaulted |
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| 18:59.22 | Cope | dalias is right - I can edit it with joe |
| 18:59.38 | karsten | Cope: Did you get strace output? |
| 18:59.40 | dalias | just find the lock file and remove it |
| 18:59.45 | karsten | Cope: If so, past the last 100 or so lines of same. |
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| 19:00.07 | karsten | Cope: To pastebin. *NOT TO CHANNEL*. |
| 19:00.12 | Cope | karsten: ;) |
| 19:00.17 | w4nabe | hello. can anyone tell me the command to list all packages installed using apt-get? |
| 19:00.34 | karsten | w4nabe: dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:00.40 | w4nabe | ty |
| 19:00.54 | Cope | karsten: strace gave hundreds of lines of output, and was in a buffer... waiting on my keypresses... like a pager |
| 19:00.58 | Cope | so I quit |
| 19:01.00 | karsten | w4nabe: ... or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 19:01.03 | dalias | it looks like vim makes filename.swp file... |
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| 19:01.14 | Cope | last 100 lines of vi.strace were meaningless |
| 19:01.20 | karsten | Cope: Well, if it did segfault, that wouls be interesting. If not, then no. |
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| 19:01.36 | dalias | karsten, HE NEVER SAID IT SEGFAULTS! |
| 19:01.40 | dalias | he said it refuses to edit the file! |
| 19:01.48 | dalias | his OLD vim session segfaulted and left a stale lock |
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| 19:02.04 | dalias | and now new vim sessions refuse to open the file because they see the stale lock |
| 19:02.21 | dalias | strace still could be useful to find the name of the lock file |
| 19:02.32 | karsten | dalias: OK, I guess I'd misunderstood then. |
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| 19:02.35 | karsten | dalias: Right. |
| 19:02.37 | dalias | but i believe it's just the same name as the file with .swp on the end. at least that's what my vim makes.. |
| 19:02.45 | karsten | Cope: Or: 'vim -r' to recover the lock. |
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| 19:03.41 | leftStanding | hi all i'm sure there's a good reason for it, but i've always wondered why debian keeps the documentation packages separate from the software packages |
| 19:04.17 | dalias | probably so you can save disk space if you don't care for the docs |
| 19:04.21 | dalias | btw.. |
| 19:04.40 | karsten | leftStanding: Because for some packages the docs are significant in size. See Debian Policy for a full explanation. |
| 19:04.43 | abrotman | leftStanding: they don't always do it |
| 19:04.46 | dalias | it would be really nice if they made the devel and debugging packages separate for libs |
| 19:04.48 | karsten | !tell leftStanding about debian policy |
| 19:04.59 | azeem | dalias: yes |
| 19:05.03 | azeem | oh wait, they are... |
| 19:05.03 | karsten | Feh. |
| 19:05.07 | karsten | !debian policy |
| 19:05.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian policy is Not A Stick To Beat People With |
| 19:05.08 | dalias | i hate how you have to install loads of static libs and debug-enabled libs just to get the .h files.... |
| 19:05.21 | leftStanding | karsten: is that a command? |
| 19:05.23 | leftStanding | !debian policy |
| 19:05.30 | azeem | dalias: what do you do with those .h files? |
| 19:05.31 | dpkg | from memory, debian policy is Not A Stick To Beat People With |
| 19:05.37 | karsten | dpkg: foreget debian policy |
| 19:05.44 | karsten | dpkg: forget debian policy |
| 19:05.44 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot debian policy |
| 19:05.54 | dalias | azeem, so you can compile stuff that needs to link to the library |
| 19:06.07 | cydork | !policy |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | well, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
| 19:06.07 | leftStanding | karsten: haha i'll check out the debian policy, thanks for the help |
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| 19:06.34 | azeem | dalias: you need at least the symlink from the -dev packages as well for GNU ld to find the lib |
| 19:06.51 | karsten | dpkg: debian policy is a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux documentation. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 19:06.51 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 19:07.07 | dalias | azeem, yes |
| 19:07.16 | karsten | leftStanding: The old factoid was stupid. Sorry about that, see above. |
| 19:08.08 | jelly-home | karsten: um, the requirements are not for documentation only |
| 19:08.13 | karsten | leftStanding: Specific to your question: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.3 |
| 19:08.36 | karsten | jelly-home: Doh! Meant to write "distribution". Braino. |
| 19:08.55 | dalias | looking forward to having a debian system to play with again :) |
| 19:09.00 | karsten | dpkg: foreget debian policy |
| 19:09.08 | abrotman | forget ? |
| 19:09.09 | dalias | forget |
| 19:09.12 | cydork | !typosmite karsten |
| 19:09.16 | karsten | dpkg: forget debian policy |
| 19:09.17 | dpkg | i forgot debian policy, karsten |
| 19:09.31 | karsten | # dpkg: debian policy is a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 19:09.34 | karsten | dpkg: debian policy is a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 19:09.35 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 19:09.49 | jelly-home | karsten: there's also factoid =~ s/typo/correcto/ |
| 19:10.03 | karsten | jelly-home: I can never remember that syntax. |
| 19:10.30 | jelly-home | I see you don't work much with Perl. ;-) |
| 19:10.57 | jimbalaya | does anyone have an idea of what kind of cpu/ram is required to run *strictly* an NFS/Samba server on a standard 100mbit/802.11g network? |
| 19:11.02 | karsten | jelly-home: Nope. |
| 19:11.13 | karsten | jimbalaya: Very little. |
| 19:11.14 | pickcoder | jimbalaya: depends on the disk load |
| 19:11.41 | pickcoder | but anything over a few hundred Mhz should do well. the main thing is memory for disk cache |
| 19:11.45 | pickcoder | as well as swap |
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| 19:12.04 | dalias | yeah, slow cpu is no problem |
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| 19:12.24 | jimbalaya | true ... i have a dual 350mhz system w/ ~600m ram ... it should be a fairly light load - streaming audio/video to, at most, 2 computers at a time |
| 19:12.30 | pickcoder | the faster your disk sub-system the less RAM you'll need |
| 19:12.41 | pickcoder | in theory |
| 19:12.43 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:12.50 | karsten | jimbalaya: How many users, how much load, is the question. 100mbit 802.11g (does that exist?) anything PII or better with 64-128 MB RAM should be more than sufficient. How many users? |
| 19:13.06 | karsten | jimbalaya: Streaming A/V over wireless is going to suck. |
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| 19:13.20 | jimbalaya | i meant 100mbit wired mixed with a wireless g network |
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| 19:13.54 | pickcoder | wireless-N does 270MB |
| 19:13.54 | pickcoder | that's plenty for streaming |
| 19:13.54 | Kevin` | 100mbit exists but is NOT a standard and many implementations don't work as well as claimed |
| 19:13.54 | karsten | jimbalaya: Then the next question is: switched or hubbed? |
| 19:13.54 | Kevin` | (for g) |
| 19:13.54 | jimbalaya | I've fiddled with streaming video over wireless, which has worked surprisingly well |
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| 19:14.07 | Kevin` | I can stream full quality dvds fine over wireless g |
| 19:14.35 | pickcoder | I got average 3.5MB/sec on a local ftp transfer |
| 19:14.38 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 19:14.46 | Matthias99 | Hello everybode has someone experience running a promise SATA300 TX2plus with 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 19:15.10 | Kevin` | what all are you using for chipsets for these tests? |
| 19:16.04 | jelly-home | Matthias99: use a newer kernel if you can. |
| 19:16.25 | lero_ | __alloc_pages: 2-order allocation failed (gfp=0xf0/0) |
| 19:16.30 | lero_ | someone already saw this? |
| 19:16.52 | lero_ | it's a 2.4.27 kernel |
| 19:17.05 | concept10 | anyone currently running a core 2 duo? |
| 19:17.08 | jelly-home | Matthias99: there were improvements to the sata promise driver since. |
| 19:17.11 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 19:17.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:17.16 | Kevin` | my brother has a macbook with debian, concept10 |
| 19:17.16 | concept10 | anyone currently running a core 2 duo? |
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| 19:17.25 | Matthias99 | don't know if i can, it's a special version from a magazin wich runns IPCOP in uml |
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| 19:17.49 | Kevin` | concept10 why do you ask? |
| 19:17.50 | concept10 | Kevin`, do you have access to it now? I would like to see a cat /proc/cpuinfo, please |
| 19:17.58 | Kevin` | concept10 erm, I suppose I can do that |
| 19:17.59 | carp3 | Bye Guys |
| 19:17.59 | jelly-home | concept10: is an E6600 good enough for you? |
| 19:18.02 | Kevin` | it will take a moment |
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| 19:18.17 | concept10 | jelly-home, yes |
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| 19:18.51 | jelly-home | concept10: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/cpuinfo.txt |
| 19:18.53 | Kevin` | odd that the mac bootloader shows linux as "windows" |
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| 19:19.40 | concept10 | jelly-home, thanks |
| 19:19.54 | concept10 | I was looking to see if it had a 'risc' flag |
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| 19:21.48 | pickcoder | Kevin`: the Linksys I have is based on a broadcom chip |
| 19:22.09 | pickcoder | still sorting out a few issues with giri on running multiple cards under ndiswrapper |
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| 19:22.21 | Kevin` | i've found the bcm43xx driver has lower performance then some of the others, but they say it's improving, bieng worked on |
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| 19:22.45 | Kevin` | concept10 http://kwzs.be/~kevin/cpuinfo.txt |
| 19:22.47 | pickcoder | I had no problems with a single card under ndiswrapper |
| 19:23.06 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:23.19 | HardDisk_WP | can I specify the password in the commandline for sudo? |
| 19:23.22 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper is limited though :/ |
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| 19:23.37 | pickcoder | Kevin`: in what way? |
| 19:23.43 | Kevin` | no non-x86-32bit (usually), no rfmon, no master mode, etc |
| 19:23.45 | xand | HardDisk_WP: that would make sudo even more insecure |
| 19:23.48 | concept10 | either one has a RISC instruction flag as posted on this site: http://balusc.xs4all.nl/srv/har-cpu-int-c2.php |
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| 19:23.58 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 19:24.20 | HardDisk_WP | xand, :( |
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| 19:24.34 | Danielss89 | Hi, how do i set my clock to summetime? |
| 19:24.40 | Danielss89 | summertime* |
| 19:24.55 | Ronin | summertime? |
| 19:24.56 | Danielss89 | its 22.22 here right now, and it says 21.22 on the server |
| 19:25.04 | Ronin | Danielss89: /topic |
| 19:25.08 | Kevin` | clock should be updated automatically for time changes |
| 19:25.24 | Kevin` | I don't see time mentioned in topic |
| 19:25.26 | Ronin | assuming you have updated recently and got the dst patch |
| 19:25.36 | Ronin | doh, wroing debian |
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| 19:25.45 | Kevin` | there's only one debian :) |
| 19:25.58 | Ronin | Kevin`: wrong #debian actually |
| 19:26.06 | jetscreamer | there's those posers on oftc... |
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| 19:26.11 | Kevin` | oh, well paste the topic from oftc |
| 19:26.26 | Danielss89 | anyway |
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| 19:26.35 | xand | HardDisk_WP: people would see the password with "ps" etc |
| 19:26.36 | Danielss89 | its one hour behind.. |
| 19:26.40 | Ronin | Danielss89: whens the last time you did an apt-get update? |
| 19:26.47 | Danielss89 | today :P |
| 19:26.55 | Ronin | Danielss89: iirc tzconfig |
| 19:27.03 | Kevin` | Danielss89 if you just want to change it you can use date, but that's not the proper way, you should fix whatever is causing it to display incorrectly |
| 19:27.06 | jelly-home | Danielss89: which TZ are you in? |
| 19:27.11 | cydork | !tell Danielss89 about dst change |
| 19:27.23 | Danielss89 | im din gmt+1 |
| 19:27.29 | Danielss89 | CET i think its called |
| 19:27.37 | jelly-home | cydork: he wasn't affected by that |
| 19:27.41 | Kevin` | Danielss89 does just updating from ntp fix it? |
| 19:27.46 | Kevin` | (ntpdate pool.ntp.org) |
| 19:28.05 | jelly-home | Danielss89: ah, CET it is. Actually CEST during the summer. |
| 19:28.19 | Danielss89 | okey, well |
| 19:28.27 | Danielss89 | Mon Apr 2 21:23:54 CEST 2007 |
| 19:28.36 | jelly-home | Danielss89: that's correct |
| 19:28.45 | Danielss89 | LOL.. |
| 19:28.48 | jelly-home | well, 5 minutes off |
| 19:28.50 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 19:28.59 | Danielss89 | its my own computer's clock which is wrong :P |
| 19:28.59 | cydork | jelly-home: yeah ok :) |
| 19:29.00 | jelly-home | but correct timezone |
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| 19:29.19 | Kevin` | Mon Apr 2 14:29:19 CDT 2007 |
| 19:29.26 | Kevin` | is this correct,btw? :) |
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| 19:29.36 | jelly-home | who knows? I'm in CEST too |
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| 19:30.08 | xand | where is CDT? |
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| 19:30.11 | cydork | hmm so am i.. that reminds me i should get going :P |
| 19:30.43 | Kevin` | xand americas |
| 19:30.59 | Kevin` | i'm in wisconsin |
| 19:31.05 | Spliffster | question: I am looking for a backup solution to backup a local server and few laptops to an external harddrive. i need incremental backups and the backup storage is an external harddisk. which software could you recommend? |
| 19:31.06 | pickcoder | Kevin`: supposedly, monitoring mode will be supported soon for vista drivers |
| 19:31.16 | pickcoder | XP drivers don't support it |
| 19:31.35 | Kevin` | will it support packet injection too? |
| 19:31.49 | pickcoder | I have no idea |
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| 19:32.17 | Kevin` | well at least they are catching up with the rest of the world.. mostly.. |
| 19:32.21 | Kevin` | still no ap mode? |
| 19:32.26 | xand | Spliffster: maybe rdiff-backup |
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| 19:33.00 | Spliffster | xand, thankx will heck that |
| 19:33.02 | pickcoder | NDIS6 supports features that NDIS doesn't |
| 19:33.29 | pickcoder | whatever NDIS6 supports should be available when it's done |
| 19:33.49 | Kevin` | hmm, i'd have to use vista though to use it |
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| 19:34.00 | xtr3m3 | hii |
| 19:34.01 | Kevin` | (or windows vista drivers in linux, but no point to that) |
| 19:34.08 | xtr3m3 | I have problem with my sound card :( |
| 19:34.21 | pickcoder | Kevin`: I know.. broadcom won't play nice |
| 19:34.38 | DocPlatypus | ndiswrapper is fundamentally evil and is a consequence of people not realizing freedom needs to be protected for its own sake |
| 19:34.40 | jetscreamer | is there some limit on sizes of zipfiles? |
| 19:34.41 | pickcoder | at this point, I don't care as long as it works reliably |
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| 19:34.54 | DocPlatypus | and that is a consequence of the "success" of the "open source" movement |
| 19:35.05 | Kevin` | pickcoder have you tried recent versions of the reverse engineered driver? |
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| 19:35.21 | pickcoder | Kevin`: this 802.11n chipset isn't supported |
| 19:35.29 | Kevin` | ah |
| 19:35.40 | Kevin` | are there any 802.11n chipsets natively supported? |
| 19:35.45 | pickcoder | not that I'm aware of |
| 19:35.46 | Kevin` | I haven't looked much because it's not a standard yet |
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| 19:36.31 | Kevin` | hopefully atheros will update the HAL for their n-cards and get ahead in that respect :) |
| 19:36.35 | h3sp4wn | The new madwifi hal supports 802.11n |
| 19:36.36 | karsten | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
| 19:36.45 | Kevin` | speak of the devil |
| 19:37.04 | DocPlatypus | Atheros should just release full specs for their hardware so everyone can write truly free drivers for it instead of using ndiswrapper polished turds |
| 19:37.27 | h3sp4wn | 0.9.30.10 |
| 19:37.27 | wols | DocPlatypus: atheros uses madwifi |
| 19:37.40 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: have you used it? |
| 19:37.48 | Kevin` | DocPlatypus they don't release specs because of legal issues with rf standards, but at least they support linux |
| 19:37.51 | wols | karsten: any aptitude running? any apt? |
| 19:38.05 | DocPlatypus | Kevin`: "support linux" != "support the free software movement" |
| 19:38.18 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: I have used that hal but not with 11n - I don't know of any mini-pci cards yet (or even if the madwifi part of it works yet) |
| 19:38.42 | DocPlatypus | and apparently these legal issues have not stopped Ralink among a host of others |
| 19:38.49 | Kevin` | DocPlatypus so you suggest they redesign all their hardware so it's impossible to do anything out of spec and increase the cost 3* |
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| 19:38.53 | Kevin` | doubt they'll do that :) |
| 19:39.12 | karsten | wols: No, stray lockfile, I think. Just deleted one. |
| 19:39.28 | karsten | wols: /var/lib/apt/lists/lock. But still getting the message |
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| 19:39.48 | Kevin` | DocPlatypus there is an open version of the hal you could try |
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| 19:40.46 | h3sp4wn | I wonder if that openhal could be classified DFSG free - probably not |
| 19:40.54 | pickcoder | there are so many companies using the same chipsets, I don't see the benefit of hoarding the hardware info |
| 19:41.05 | pickcoder | it's not like one has a better chip than the other |
| 19:41.23 | Kevin` | you could probably make the case they are already violating standards with their chips since end users can abuse them |
| 19:41.27 | Kevin` | but that would be ugly :) |
| 19:41.45 | karsten | aptitude lockfile error, paste: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5932 |
| 19:42.00 | Kevin` | some DO have better chips then others, for signal recognition and such |
| 19:42.11 | Kevin` | doesn't matter so much for digital things like ethernet |
| 19:42.17 | Kevin` | but some of those suck too :) |
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| 19:48.15 | k0rnz | how do I install divx codecs using apt-get or synaptic? |
| 19:48.27 | k0rnz | what is name of divx codec package to search for? |
| 19:48.41 | dondelelcaro | mplayer should already be able to play the basic divx codecs. |
| 19:48.48 | dalias | you don't need divx codecs |
| 19:48.57 | dalias | divx is an obsolete crappy proprietary implementation of mpeg4 |
| 19:49.05 | dalias | everyone uses free implementations to decode |
| 19:50.06 | k0rnz | i already have mplayer installed but it wont play my divx video file |
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| 19:50.20 | wols | k0rnz: there are no "codecs" in linux |
| 19:50.29 | wols | codecs are already built in into media players |
| 19:50.37 | dondelelcaro | wols: well, that's not quite true. |
| 19:50.42 | h3sp4wn | k0rnz: you probably want the one from debian-multimedia |
| 19:50.46 | HymnToLife | wols, depends what you call a codec |
| 19:50.55 | filleokus | If you run a crontab and the application doesent make any output does crontab send you a mail? |
| 19:50.57 | HymnToLife | whatever is used to decode the video is a codec to me |
| 19:51.03 | dondelelcaro | filleokus: no |
| 19:51.08 | filleokus | good |
| 19:51.10 | filleokus | thanx |
| 19:51.20 | wols | HymnToLife: yes, but they're not available as separate files usually |
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| 19:51.38 | HymnToLife | yes they are |
| 19:51.48 | dondelelcaro | like win32-codecs, FE. |
| 19:51.56 | HymnToLife | but most of the time they're compiled in the player at build-time |
| 19:52.07 | dondelelcaro | and no, they're not compiled in; they're just linked. |
| 19:52.12 | dondelelcaro | (dynamically) |
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| 19:52.33 | dondelelcaro | sometimes not even that; they have to be dlopen'ed. |
| 19:52.34 | wols | of course they are, for legal reasons |
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| 19:52.59 | dondelelcaro | for technical reasons too |
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| 19:53.26 | wols | what technical ones? |
| 19:53.42 | HymnToLife | closed source ? |
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| 19:54.21 | dondelelcaro | wols: 1) you don't have to satisfy the requirements of those libraries unless you actually use them 2) smaller memory use 3) easily updateable in a piecemeal fashion, etc. |
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| 19:54.41 | dondelelcaro | wols: it's the same reason why we don't statically link things in general. |
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| 19:58.56 | |capiira | did anyone install the newest gnome from experimental? |
| 19:59.29 | VImtermute | later |
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| 20:00.18 | |capiira | i wonder what version it is since there exist a few 2.16 and 2.18 files |
| 20:00.20 | jetscreamer | why would anybody |
| 20:00.46 | |capiira | why not |
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| 20:01.41 | rambo3 | !info gnome unstable |
| 20:01.44 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.14.3.6 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 20:01.47 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: if no one installed it, how would the testing cycle work? |
| 20:01.47 | jetscreamer | just compile gnome |
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| 20:01.55 | pickcoder | :P |
| 20:01.57 | xp_prg | I forgot the command to sync my time up with a timeserver on debian, anyone know what it is? |
| 20:02.06 | jetscreamer | it would make it's way into sid and get tested? |
| 20:02.15 | asg | pickcoder: it's tested when it comes into unstable; experimental is quite a different beast. |
| 20:02.19 | pickcoder | oh |
| 20:02.21 | pickcoder | I misread |
| 20:02.25 | |capiira | yeah i know whats in unstable |
| 20:02.34 | |capiira | 2.14 but whats in experimental ? |
| 20:03.02 | jetscreamer | !info gnome experimental |
| 20:03.05 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.16.2.1 (experimental), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 20:03.17 | |capiira | thx |
| 20:03.27 | jetscreamer | that's just the metapackage though |
| 20:04.14 | |capiira | i hope someday i understand how to comple gnome and set it up right with all the dependancies |
| 20:04.48 | rambo3 | yeah bild-dep is overrated |
| 20:05.03 | GhostlyDeath | I created a link and I can't remove the link |
| 20:05.11 | |capiira | but then i would try to build my own system too |
| 20:05.41 | rambo3 | from scratch ? |
| 20:05.49 | |capiira | yeah |
| 20:06.02 | rambo3 | like linux from scratch ? |
| 20:06.08 | |capiira | maybe dunno |
| 20:06.20 | |capiira | yeah at least so i dont depend of maintainers |
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| 20:06.37 | rambo3 | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ? |
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| 20:07.13 | neuwald | hi folks. I have one debian running kernel 2.6.20.1-1-686. I didn't find a apt repository to download and install kernel headers and source. Does anybody knows ? |
| 20:07.24 | |capiira | yeah :) but i don't have the time now :) using linux since 3 months |
| 20:07.31 | |capiira | need to learn more :) |
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| 20:07.34 | |capiira | heh |
| 20:07.36 | jetscreamer | where did you get that kernel neuwald |
| 20:08.11 | deadcat | neuwald: that kernel is not even in unstable. |
| 20:08.23 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | neuwald, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ one of these? |
| 20:08.52 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | he's giving u instructions on the page as for the source... of the variations he's offering |
| 20:08.53 | neuwald | HaCKeT|FiZZ yes. I'm running on a Dell Poweredge 860 |
| 20:09.09 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | got a sata cdrom ey ;) |
| 20:09.11 | jetscreamer | Where is kernel-headers package? kernel-headers and kernel-image packages are renamed to linux-headers and linux-image since v2.6.16. My custom installer CD image contains linux-headers-* package for you. Check pool/main directory. |
| 20:09.25 | jetscreamer | neuwald: on the cd |
| 20:09.35 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | jetscreamer, yeah but not for the one neuwald is running... read further... hehe |
| 20:09.40 | jetscreamer | o |
| 20:09.47 | neuwald | hmm I'll look on CD... |
| 20:09.49 | jetscreamer | neuwald: compile one |
| 20:09.50 | neuwald | just a moment |
| 20:09.54 | jetscreamer | a new one |
| 20:10.15 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | jetscreamer, only problem is the sata support stuff... |
| 20:10.34 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | I am kinda stuck myself with this... |
| 20:10.37 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | ): |
| 20:10.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: since .12 IIRC |
| 20:11.26 | jetscreamer | my bug!!! My SATA drive is recognized as /dev/sde on the installer stage, but it becomes /dev/sda after reboot. Kernel fails to load root partition |
| 20:11.43 | jetscreamer | except i had that with 2 pata controllers |
| 20:11.56 | jetscreamer | and it was /dev/h* |
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| 20:13.43 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | jetscreamer, from the existing kernel, but no source... ): how can we compile a kernel? |
| 20:14.25 | jetscreamer | just download from kernel.org and go to town |
| 20:14.39 | jetscreamer | he gave his commandline on that page |
| 20:14.42 | rambo3 | from kernel.org |
| 20:14.51 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | do the "older" ones ;) have stat-cdrom support modules in there? |
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| 20:15.09 | jetscreamer | sata? (no idea) |
| 20:15.12 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | otherwise back to square 1 |
| 20:15.25 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | exactly hence neuwald is running that custom kernel (and myself) |
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| 20:15.39 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | but no source... no new kernel, or am I missing something? |
| 20:15.51 | xtr3m3 | help.. |
| 20:15.52 | jetscreamer | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.20.4.tar.bz2 |
| 20:15.56 | jetscreamer | source^^ |
| 20:16.00 | xtr3m3 | i have problem with sound card |
| 20:16.00 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | ok I am stupid |
| 20:16.01 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | thx |
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| 20:16.45 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:17.10 | jetscreamer | xtr3m3: for me it's usually apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and then adjust the mixer levels |
| 20:17.14 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
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| 20:17.35 | xtr3m3 | but i have problem |
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| 20:18.19 | xtr3m3 | my chipset is a Intel Corporation 82801G(ICH7 Family) |
| 20:18.21 | jetscreamer | xtr3m3: nobody will ever know how to help you if you don't explain (preferably in great detail, w/o pasting mass quantities) |
| 20:18.24 | rambo3 | in form of speech impediment? |
| 20:18.27 | jetscreamer | and don't hit enter a lot |
| 20:18.30 | jetscreamer | !enter |
| 20:18.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 20:18.32 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 20:18.33 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 20:20.32 | rambo3 | xtr3m3, is that snd-intel8x0 driver? |
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| 20:21.14 | xtr3m3 | is..is snd-hda-intel |
| 20:22.02 | wols | xtr3m3: what is your kernel version? |
| 20:22.37 | x_link | Where can I read about new kernels? |
| 20:22.41 | wols | uname -r |
| 20:22.50 | wols | xtr3m3: read what? |
| 20:22.53 | x_link | For example... I use 2.6.18-4-k7. |
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| 20:23.03 | x_link | Is that a new one or what? |
| 20:23.10 | wols | xtr3m3: it's the newest in debian |
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| 20:23.32 | wols | read kernel.org to see the date of release for a specific kernel version |
| 20:23.32 | xtr3m3 | I use 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:23.34 | x_link | wols: I guess you meantm e? |
| 20:24.08 | x_link | I use AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+. That's why I use k7. |
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| 20:24.12 | x_link | Heard it's better for AMD. |
| 20:24.14 | wols | xtr3m3: we still don't know what your problem is |
| 20:24.19 | neuwald | guys |
| 20:24.24 | neuwald | look what I found: ./pool/main/kernel-image-2.6.20.1-1-686-di_1.02.sarge.mtu3_i386.udeb |
| 20:24.32 | neuwald | only it on CDROM. no source or headers |
| 20:24.58 | wols | neuwald: either kmuto gives you headers or you have to compile you own. no use looking forever for them |
| 20:24.59 | x_link | neuwald: Is that a new kernel? |
| 20:25.02 | xtr3m3 | i've installed the drivers for my sound card, but at the same time the music sounds there's a noisy sound that it's also listened |
| 20:25.17 | xtr3m3 | i think it's bad configurated |
| 20:25.28 | x_link | xtr3m3: Onboard soundcard? |
| 20:25.34 | xtr3m3 | yes |
| 20:25.36 | wols | x_link: or the hda driver isn't bug free (vrey likely) |
| 20:25.40 | x_link | xtr3m3: Cause I get that from my onboard soundcard as well. |
| 20:25.43 | wols | it's still under heavy development |
| 20:26.00 | x_link | wols: OKej. |
| 20:26.03 | xtr3m3 | i have a Intel Corporation 82801G(ICH7 Family) |
| 20:26.10 | x_link | wols: You it's better for me to use 2.6.18-4-k7 right? |
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| 20:26.10 | robin_sz | yeah, I notice odd nosies related t omouse/pointer movement too |
| 20:26.22 | x_link | xtr3m3: I guess it's the onboard card. |
| 20:26.28 | xtr3m3 | but I listena noisy sound :S.. |
| 20:26.32 | x_link | Mine makes strange noise as well. |
| 20:26.43 | xtr3m3 | mmm |
| 20:26.43 | x_link | xtr3m3: What? |
| 20:26.51 | x_link | I didn't understand that last thing. |
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| 20:26.54 | neuwald | wols I'll write to kmuto |
| 20:27.01 | x_link | I must go now... bbl |
| 20:27.37 | wols | neuwald: I don't think kmutos is intended as a usage kernel. it's simply an installer kernel |
| 20:27.41 | wols | imho |
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| 20:28.47 | neuwald | yes, I'll think about a downgrade to 2.6.18 |
| 20:29.54 | xtr3m3 | I think my sound card is good because in windows that sound doesn't bother |
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| 20:31.05 | xtr3m3 | this is my problem :(:( |
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| 20:31.46 | filleokus | hi, if i cant type my special letters in a screen conection, but i can in a regular session, wats wrong |
| 20:33.01 | TolstoyInlove | did etch released today? |
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| 20:33.40 | asg | TolstoyInlove: check d-d-a |
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| 20:34.39 | Henry_Bean | hi, anybody knows what happens to #debian-games? |
| 20:34.56 | GhostlyDeath | Whatever happend to devbooks? |
| 20:34.57 | TolstoyInlove | asg, what is d-d-a? |
| 20:35.11 | asg | TolstoyInlove: the debian developers announcement mailing list |
| 20:35.28 | TolstoyInlove | asg, ok thanks |
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| 20:36.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, what application can I use to generate a ISO image of a cd? |
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| 20:37.02 | neuwald | thank you guys. |
| 20:37.15 | asg | gonzaloaf_laptop: dd(1) |
| 20:37.31 | bhundven | gonzaloaf_laptop: or mkisofs |
| 20:37.54 | bhundven | oh |
| 20:37.58 | bhundven | yea. dd is the way to go |
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| 20:38.45 | xtr3m3 | mmm |
| 20:38.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | thanks |
| 20:39.09 | Henry_Bean | hi, anybody knows where to get ioquake3 deb package? |
| 20:39.29 | bhundven | Henry_Bean: have you tried apt-get.org |
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| 20:40.24 | xtr3m3 | any solution for me problem? |
| 20:40.25 | xtr3m3 | :( |
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| 20:42.43 | Henry_Bean | bhundven: thanks, i had forgotten that site xD |
| 20:42.52 | bhundven | :-D |
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| 20:44.51 | TolstoyInlove | asg, not any new announce in ML!? |
| 20:46.40 | dustybin | what do i change on a DNS record to make my domain point inside a directory like: www.mydomain.com/me |
| 20:46.49 | dustybin | forwarding? |
| 20:46.52 | dustybin | or subdomain? |
| 20:47.07 | karsten | dustybin: You don't. |
| 20:47.13 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 20:47.26 | karsten | dustybin: You configure your webserver to do a rewrite or alias. |
| 20:47.42 | karsten | dustybin: Assuming you're trying to configure a webserver to do something. |
| 20:47.55 | karsten | dustybin: DNS identifies hosts. Not directories on hosts. |
| 20:47.56 | dustybin | im not actually pointing it at my webserver, im trying to point a domain at my flickr account for when i go on holiday |
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| 20:48.07 | dustybin | ok |
| 20:48.26 | karsten | dustybin: redirect rule on your flickr page, then. NFC how you'd do that. |
| 20:49.11 | dustybin | NFC ? |
| 20:49.41 | deadcat | no fucking clue. |
| 20:49.44 | dustybin | haha |
| 20:49.46 | dustybin | ok |
| 20:50.03 | deadcat | dustybin: i thought it was football related at first. (= |
| 20:50.55 | dustybin | lol |
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| 20:55.09 | pigeonflight | I love ubuntu |
| 20:55.17 | pigeonflight | s/ubuntu/debian/ |
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| 20:55.31 | pigeonflight | :) |
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| 20:58.54 | Mordekay | Hi there:) I have allready asked someone who knows something about debian, but he couldn't help me. My knowledge about linux is minimal. Following problem: i am runnning a linux root server with debian 3.1 sarge. I was trying to install phpmyadmin, but somehow the apache2 webserver doesn't run the php files that comes with phpmyadmin, if i try to open index.php it tries to open the file localy on my computer, any help would be grestly |
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| 20:59.44 | Mordekay | and sorry for my bad english :( |
| 20:59.47 | abrotman | linux root server ? |
| 20:59.50 | Mordekay | yes |
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| 21:00.02 | takahiro | how do i flush the DNS cache? |
| 21:00.04 | abrotman | Mordekay: did you install php4-mysql ? |
| 21:00.07 | abrotman | takahiro: can't |
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| 21:00.27 | kussik | can someone here help me install firefox? |
| 21:00.31 | abrotman | Mordekay: is libapache2-mod-php4 installed ? |
| 21:00.38 | Mordekay | yes |
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| 21:01.11 | takahiro | so if i modify /etc/hosts, how can i be sure it starts using the IP i specified there, and not whatever it used to be? |
| 21:01.20 | Mordekay | or at least it should be as i run the command aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:01.22 | takahiro | (it, being some application) |
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| 21:02.47 | kussik | can someone help me put firefox on my desktop |
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| 21:04.09 | BlueParrot | kussik, do you mean create a shortcut to launch it or simply install it on the computer ? |
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| 21:04.43 | BlueParrot | kussik: you are probably looking for ice-weasel it is basically the same thing but with modified artwork to make it free |
| 21:04.44 | kussik | well so far |
| 21:04.48 | kussik | i downloaded the tar |
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| 21:04.55 | BlueParrot | uhm, you don't need that |
| 21:04.58 | kussik | and unpacked it to my home directory |
| 21:04.59 | kromagg | iceweasel, not ice-weasel |
| 21:05.05 | BlueParrot | oh ok |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | takahiro: host ? nslookup ? |
| 21:05.13 | abrotman | getent |
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| 21:05.22 | BlueParrot | kromagg: which tar is this, the source or the stand alone bianry ? |
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| 21:05.38 | kussik | um |
| 21:05.42 | kussik | .tar.gz |
| 21:05.44 | kussik | not sure |
| 21:05.44 | Mordekay | abrotman it should be installed as i used this command: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:06.14 | BlueParrot | kussik: just go to the directory with the tar in it |
| 21:06.21 | kussik | ok |
| 21:06.25 | BlueParrot | kussik: and do tar -xvvzf <name of the file> |
| 21:06.30 | kussik | and i already tar -xvf |
| 21:06.34 | BlueParrot | ah ok |
| 21:06.37 | kussik | i already did |
| 21:06.49 | BlueParrot | it shoudl just run |
| 21:06.53 | BlueParrot | without installing |
| 21:06.56 | BlueParrot | it is fairly stand alone |
| 21:07.07 | kussik | browserconfig.properties libnspr4.so mozilla-xremote-client |
| 21:07.07 | kussik | chrome libnss3.so old-homepage-default.properties |
| 21:07.07 | kussik | components libnssckbi.so plugins |
| 21:07.07 | kussik | defaults libplc4.so readme.txt |
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| 21:07.08 | BlueParrot | cd into the directory and try ./firefox |
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| 21:07.21 | takahiro | abrotman: how can those commands do a DNS flush? |
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| 21:07.26 | kussik | libmozjs.so libxpistub.so |
| 21:07.39 | kussik | so what do i do? |
| 21:07.39 | BlueParrot | kussik: in that directory try ./firefox |
| 21:07.54 | BlueParrot | or well, find out where the binary is |
| 21:07.59 | BlueParrot | and just run it |
| 21:08.04 | BlueParrot | shouldn't be any more than that |
| 21:08.05 | kussik | ok i did ./ |
| 21:08.07 | kussik | and it ran |
| 21:08.17 | abrotman | takahiro: they can't |
| 21:08.29 | abrotman | Mordekay: and probably php4-mysql too |
| 21:08.33 | kussik | but i want to make a desktop shortcut and put it in the applications>>internet dir |
| 21:08.54 | BlueParrot | kussik: just create another menu entry and give it the path |
| 21:09.07 | kussik | how do i do that? |
| 21:09.11 | BlueParrot | kussik , are you using gnome ? |
| 21:09.15 | kussik | ya |
| 21:09.19 | takahiro | abrotman: how can i get it to use the ip address in /etc/hosts ? |
| 21:09.35 | BlueParrot | kussik: right click on the menu and do "edit menus" |
| 21:09.46 | kussik | then |
| 21:09.46 | takahiro | abrotman: if i ping it, it uses the address in /etc/hosts, but if i use something like wget on the server name, it doesn't -- it will use the old cached address |
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| 21:09.49 | kussik | ? |
| 21:09.59 | SubLinux | Hello, i try to install debian 4 amd64 but i got an error: Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32 bit edition.. . My CPU support EM64T from Intel ( i got a pentium D 945 3.4 ghz dual core ) i got the debian from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso .. Can someone help me? |
| 21:10.00 | BlueParrot | hmmm wait, you should be able to add it |
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| 21:10.12 | BlueParrot | meh, lets do the desktop shortcut first |
| 21:10.13 | abrotman | takahiro: wget doesn't look in /etc/hosts IIRC |
| 21:10.19 | kussik | k |
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| 21:10.24 | takahiro | abrotman: oh really? |
| 21:10.31 | BlueParrot | kussik, right click on your desktop and select "create launcher" |
| 21:10.38 | takahiro | wow that sucks |
| 21:10.38 | abrotman | takahiro: i believe so .. uhm .. let me look quickly |
| 21:10.39 | BlueParrot | then stick in the details there |
| 21:10.43 | kussik | k |
| 21:10.52 | BlueParrot | for "command" just give it the path of firefox |
| 21:11.09 | BlueParrot | if you pick the right script it should just work |
| 21:11.45 | kussik | do i need anything special for generic name? |
| 21:11.54 | BlueParrot | don't think so |
| 21:12.09 | dustybin | ive cleared the A Records on my domain on godaddy but im not sure how u get my page to park on godaddys server |
| 21:12.16 | BlueParrot | I have never tried to be honest as I use epiphany |
| 21:12.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: what wsa the name of that package ? |
| 21:12.28 | takahiro | abrotman: nevermind i found a parameter |
| 21:12.40 | kussik | it opens iceweasel |
| 21:12.54 | abrotman | takahiro: for wget? |
| 21:12.56 | BlueParrot | kussik, give it the full path of firefox |
| 21:13.11 | BlueParrot | kussik: like /home/kussik/firefox/firefox or whatever it is |
| 21:13.13 | takahiro | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:13.18 | takahiro | abrotman: --no-dns-cache param |
| 21:13.20 | abrotman | takahiro: to have it look there? |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 21:13.36 | kussik | i did |
| 21:14.18 | kussik | is there a difference between firefox and iceweasel? |
| 21:14.43 | bkruse | not REALLY |
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| 21:14.54 | abrotman | takahiro: there's a bug about it .. which i can't find |
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| 21:15.18 | kussik | well i guess i can just stick with iceweasel |
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| 21:15.25 | kussik | o and one more thing |
| 21:15.33 | kussik | do you know how to install php |
| 21:15.39 | kussik | i tried apt-get install php |
| 21:15.43 | kussik | and it didnt work |
| 21:16.27 | kalve | did you get any error message? |
| 21:16.53 | epsilon | does anyone have a "most ugly logo" award? Wanna smash it into the face of whoever created the samba logo |
| 21:17.18 | epsilon | they have few variations in color and one is uglier than other |
| 21:18.02 | deadcat | epsilon: never seen the samba logo before.. |
| 21:18.34 | zinx | samba has a logo? |
| 21:18.37 | deadcat | epsilon: obviously these guys dont have any artistic talent (= |
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| 21:19.20 | dogmeat | think i have a modem program installed, but forgot which ? anyway of telling? |
| 21:19.49 | deadcat | dogmeat: console or gui? |
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| 21:20.57 | dogmeat | console |
| 21:21.10 | deadcat | dogmeat: ppp? |
| 21:21.17 | dogmeat | i was using it as a diagnostics to tell me if my external modem was communicating, seems to be good |
| 21:21.38 | deadcat | dogmeat: minicom? |
| 21:23.07 | dogmeat | deadcat: yes, that was it, thanks :D |
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| 21:24.18 | SubLinux | Hello, i try to install debian 4 amd64 but i got an error: Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32 bit edition.. . My CPU support EM64T from Intel ( i got a pentium D 945 3.4 ghz dual core ) i got the debian from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso .. Can someone help me? |
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| 21:25.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: sorry, I was away... you asked for something? |
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| 21:25.42 | azeem | SubLinux: when do you get that error |
| 21:25.51 | SubLinux | when i try to install debian |
| 21:26.01 | SubLinux | after pressing enter |
| 21:26.02 | SubLinux | to boot |
| 21:26.37 | abrotman | jelly-home: do you remember the bugnumber for the libdns stuff? |
| 21:26.43 | abrotman | or whichever it was |
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| 21:27.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: hm, don't have a slightest idea was that is about |
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| 21:28.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: it was maybe a month ago .. one of the dns libraries doesn't check /etc/hosts |
| 21:28.30 | struct | abrotman: nsswitch? |
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| 21:28.41 | abrotman | ah no |
| 21:28.46 | Nestor | hola alguien sabe si hay canal debian en español? |
| 21:28.49 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:28.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:28.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: hmph, don't remember. |
| 21:28.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: no more beer for you! |
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| 21:29.22 | Mordekay | abrotman how do i uninstall php4-mysql? |
| 21:29.34 | struct | Mordekay: why? |
| 21:30.14 | Mordekay | because it seems that it prevents php working with mysql on my apache2 server |
| 21:30.15 | abrotman | Mordekay: why would you .. you need it? |
| 21:30.17 | frog__ | what should i install to get arm-elf-gcc? |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 21:30.33 | Mordekay | but i cannot run phpmyadmin |
| 21:30.50 | Mordekay | it allways opens the index.php locally on my computer |
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| 21:30.55 | struct | Mordekay: sarge? |
| 21:31.20 | Mordekay | yes |
| 21:31.20 | Nestor | debian-pe |
| 21:31.40 | struct | Mordekay: maybe you need to uncomment mysql.so in php.ini |
| 21:31.44 | abrotman | Mordekay: is the module enabled? "grep mysql /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini" .. what does it give you /. |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | ? |
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| 21:32.13 | vin` | abrotman: 408466? |
| 21:32.16 | AlteKiet | SubLinux: what does /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 21:32.17 | struct | abrotman: it gives him a big hug |
| 21:32.21 | TeReL50 | I'd like to install Debian as a Desktop distro. Which version do you guys recommend: Testing / Stable? Thank You. |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | !dbugs vin` |
| 21:32.33 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
| 21:32.35 | abrotman | uhm .. crap |
| 21:32.37 | Mordekay | some errors like this: Default host for mysql_connect() (doesn't apply in safe mode). |
| 21:32.41 | abrotman | !dbugs 408466 |
| 21:32.41 | deadcat | TeReL50: testing |
| 21:32.44 | dpkg | DONE:#408466:N[dnsmasq] dnsmasq: /etc/hosts addresses are not visible if resolvconf not installed; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:03:08 UTC |
| 21:32.47 | abrotman | Mordekay: is the module enabled? "grep mysql /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini" .. what does it give you /. |
| 21:32.55 | abrotman | vin`: that wasn't it |
| 21:33.00 | TeReL50 | deadcat: thanks, i'll start downloading :P |
| 21:33.07 | Mordekay | erm, how to post 20 lines at one time? |
| 21:33.14 | deadcat | TeReL50: just get the netinstall. save some time. |
| 21:33.16 | struct | Mordekay: not here |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | 20 ? |
| 21:33.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:33.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:34.12 | TeReL50 | deadcat: ty, almost finished :P |
| 21:34.28 | Mordekay | ok, i have posted it there |
| 21:34.47 | Mordekay | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5933. |
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| 21:35.10 | abrotman | Mordekay: ;extension=mysql.so .. that line has one too many semicolons |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | it's currently commented out |
| 21:35.22 | struct | its commented out |
| 21:35.50 | struct | Mordekay: ;extension=mysql.so should be like this extension=mysql.so without the semicolon in the front |
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| 21:36.21 | tvynr | I'm on a Debian testing system which currently doesn't have Python installed. I just tried "apt-get install python2.5", because I need that version (and ONLY that version) to run what I'm trying to run. However, when I do so, it installs python2.4-minimal as a dependency. Does anyone know why that is? |
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| 21:36.53 | deadcat | tvynr: because it requires it. |
| 21:37.00 | TeReL50 | lol |
| 21:37.27 | struct | Mordekay: you have to restart apache when you make the change |
| 21:37.42 | Mordekay | i'm currently searching that line -.- |
| 21:37.50 | struct | Mordekay: using nano? |
| 21:37.58 | Mordekay | erm, vi |
| 21:38.07 | struct | Mordekay: suit yourself |
| 21:38.12 | tvynr | deadcat: Why would Python 2.5 require Python 2.4? I have 2.4 installed without 2.3. And python2.5 doesn't require python2.4; it's just that python2.5-minimal requries python2.4-minimal. |
| 21:38.47 | deadcat | tvynr: no clue.. you would have to ask the person who packaged python 2.5 |
| 21:38.54 | abrotman | Mordekay: you can search in vi with /<phrase> |
| 21:39.03 | struct | Mordekay: but nano is easier |
| 21:39.06 | tvynr | deadcat: 'kay. Looking at information regarding Debian's Python packaging policy now. |
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| 21:39.30 | struct | tvynr: you could check the documenation |
| 21:39.49 | tvynr | struct: Of Python2.5? Will do, thanks. |
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| 21:40.00 | struct | tvynr: /usr/share/doc/python2.5-minimal and see if it mentions why 2.4 is a dependancy |
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| 21:41.12 | Mordekay | restarted server with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 21:41.18 | Mordekay | still the same error |
| 21:41.21 | tvynr | struct: Nope. :( I'm kind of wondering if it's a mistake. After all, python2.5-minimal doesn't require python2.4-minimal directly. python2.5-minimal requires python-minimal, which currently requries python2.4-minimal >=2.4.4. |
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| 21:42.01 | struct | tvynr: maybe its a bug |
| 21:42.15 | tvynr | struct: Gotcha. I should just use reportbug against the package, perhaps? |
| 21:42.17 | struct | tvynr: you should check with the maintainer before filing though |
| 21:42.31 | struct | tvynr: check with the maintainer first to make sure its not intentional |
| 21:42.35 | tvynr | struct: 'kay. Mind if I ask how I'd do that? Just send an e-mail directly? |
| 21:42.44 | struct | tvynr: there could be a good reason its a dependancy |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | Mordekay: what's the error again ? |
| 21:42.48 | tvynr | struct: Maintainers' inboxes must be flooded. |
| 21:42.48 | struct | tvynr: sure |
| 21:42.58 | tvynr | struct: 'kay, will do. Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:43.13 | Mordekay | it opens the index.php locally on my computer inted of the phpmyadmin page in my browser |
| 21:43.28 | Mordekay | instead |
| 21:43.34 | struct | tvynr: or you can check the bug tracker and make sure its not already filed |
| 21:43.41 | tvynr | struct: point |
| 21:44.02 | abrotman | Mordekay: clear your browser cache and restart it |
| 21:44.07 | struct | tvynr: or you can go to #debian-bugs on oftc and ask those guys about it and see what they think before filing or emailing |
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| 21:44.18 | abrotman | struct: that's not to report bugs .. that's for fixing them |
| 21:44.23 | struct | abrotman: yes I know |
| 21:44.29 | abrotman | so why would you send him there? |
| 21:44.40 | tvynr | struct: oftc? |
| 21:44.51 | abrotman | it's for people who are fixing bugs .. they don't want people in there asking about bugs that may or may not exist |
| 21:44.52 | struct | abrotman: because they would probably know |
| 21:45.18 | struct | abrotman: ok so where do you want to send him? |
| 21:45.19 | Mordekay | abrotman and struct thx for your help! it works now! very nice :) |
| 21:45.21 | abrotman | tvynr: just email the maintainer |
| 21:45.36 | abrotman | tvynr: or ask #debian-python on OFTC |
| 21:45.46 | tvynr | abrotman: What is OFTC? |
| 21:45.55 | abrotman | tvynr: irc.oftc.net |
| 21:45.58 | struct | tvynr: just irc.debian.org |
| 21:46.01 | tvynr | abrotman: Ah, thanks. |
| 21:46.06 | Mordekay | cya later maybe, i'm not finished until now ;) |
| 21:46.14 | struct | tvynr: debian-python is better choice |
| 21:46.32 | abrotman | AIUI .. no one should go in #debian-bugs to ask/whine about bugs |
| 21:46.44 | struct | AIUI? |
| 21:46.44 | abrotman | #debian-bugs 67 NOT a bug reporting channel |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | !aiui |
| 21:46.47 | dpkg | methinks aiui is As I Understand It |
| 21:46.52 | lostinfog | I just loaded 25 brand new cdrw's on an etch and each one leaves a : |
| 21:46.52 | lostinfog | cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 21:46.52 | lostinfog | message in the logs. Does anyone else see this? is it likely kernel? |
| 21:46.52 | lostinfog | most confused |
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| 21:47.09 | struct | abrotman: firstly I was not suggesting he goes there to 'report' a bug |
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| 21:47.24 | struct | abrotman: merely seek their advice on if one should be filed or not |
| 21:47.24 | abrotman | no .. you're sending him there to *ask* if he should report a bug |
| 21:47.32 | abrotman | that's probably worse |
| 21:47.53 | lostinfog | sorry, I didn't realize that would come through as four messages |
| 21:47.58 | struct | abrotman: ok |
| 21:48.02 | stew | when in doubt, report the bug. if its not a bug, its not much trouble for the maintainer to close it |
| 21:48.03 | struct | abrotman: sorry for the mistake |
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| 21:48.08 | abrotman | stew: go away! |
| 21:48.12 | bzed | lostinfog: ia64? |
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| 21:48.17 | stew | abrotman: HI |
| 21:48.20 | lostinfog | no |
| 21:48.25 | bzed | good :) |
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| 21:48.32 | abrotman | stew: having fun? are you in .il now? |
| 21:48.34 | lostinfog | heh |
| 21:48.47 | abrotman | stew: my dinner was really yummy :) |
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| 21:48.51 | stew | abrotman: yeah, in .il. just had seder. |
| 21:48.59 | bzed | lostinfog: because most people come in here and complain about their ia64 installer not workign on amd64 :P |
| 21:49.04 | azeem | lostinfog: are you saying you're loading blank CDRWs? |
| 21:49.08 | abrotman | stew: i hope it was good! |
| 21:49.11 | stew | abrotman: it was yummy. |
| 21:49.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:49.15 | lostinfog | yes |
| 21:49.18 | krazykit | wait, it's passover this week? |
| 21:49.18 | abrotman | stew: the sox are losing .. |
| 21:49.25 | struct | krazykit: yep |
| 21:49.26 | bzed | lostinfog: I guess the message comes from the empty cdrom, before burning |
| 21:49.27 | abrotman | krazykit: starts monday evening |
| 21:49.27 | azeem | lostinfog: well, then that's kinda expected, no? |
| 21:49.39 | stew | abrotman: one of our hosts here is a huge yanks fan, he'll love to hear it |
| 21:49.43 | lostinfog | blanking with wodim makes no difference |
| 21:49.43 | krazykit | guess i missed the memo |
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| 21:49.51 | tvynr | heh |
| 21:49.57 | azeem | lostinfog: is there a problem when writing them? |
| 21:50.05 | tvynr | Welcome to I-don't-know-how-to-use-my-IRC-client day |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | stew: yanks won |
| 21:50.35 | lostinfog | When I see cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 21:50.42 | azeem | then? |
| 21:50.43 | abrotman | struct: stew left #-ot |
| 21:50.46 | lostinfog | and then I burn something on one |
| 21:50.54 | lostinfog | cdck dies ugly |
| 21:50.58 | azeem | cdck? |
| 21:51.05 | abrotman | cdcd ? |
| 21:51.06 | azeem | and what do you mean with ugly? |
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| 21:51.17 | lostinfog | cd check |
| 21:51.44 | struct | abrotman: what does that mean? |
| 21:51.52 | struct | abrotman: stew left #-ot? |
| 21:51.54 | azeem | lostinfog: can you try to be more specific? |
| 21:51.54 | abrotman | struct: he was there and left .. or else i'd be talking to him in there :) |
| 21:52.11 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i was told that i shouldn't discuss debian in -ot, so i left |
| 21:52.13 | lostinfog | I'm writing an ISO to get exact messages |
| 21:52.16 | struct | abrotman: yeah but there was the whole passover comment, then you and stew |
| 21:52.25 | abrotman | stew: i heard |
| 21:52.33 | xand | -offtopic is evil |
| 21:52.33 | abrotman | struct: i'm aware |
| 21:52.34 | lostinfog | they tend to be a series of messages in dmesg or syslog |
| 21:52.38 | struct | abrotman: usually if I breath anything not to do with debian the offtopic police jump right on me |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | struct: right .. and if he were there . it wouldn't be here |
| 21:53.06 | lostinfog | ide: failed opcode was: unknown ATAPI device hdc: etc. |
| 21:53.14 | Leibsle | i connected a printer with a scanner unit to my usb port and the printer shows on "lsusb". but when i start xsane it mysteriously detects my TV card as scanner interface, not the printer-scanner. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 21:53.20 | lostinfog | I'm running one now to get exactness |
| 21:53.35 | struct | abrotman: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2784 |
| 21:53.37 | azeem | "etc"? |
| 21:53.46 | abrotman | struct: WRONG! |
| 21:53.48 | xand | et cetera |
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| 21:54.07 | lostinfog | sorry not clear in a unix context ;) |
| 21:54.11 | struct | abrotman: wrong? |
| 21:54.18 | abrotman | poor kid |
| 21:54.25 | azeem | lostinfog: why do you run the command, when you just paste it approximately? |
| 21:54.34 | struct | abrotman: ? |
| 21:54.48 | azeem | lostinfog: when you want help in here, paste the *full*, *identical* error message, to a pastebin |
| 21:55.04 | azeem | "foo dies ugly" doesn't qualify as full nor identical |
| 21:55.24 | lostinfog | New to IRC. |
| 21:55.35 | abrotman | struct: i was joking |
| 21:55.37 | azeem | do you know pastebin? |
| 21:55.42 | lostinfog | No |
| 21:55.44 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:55.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:55.46 | struct | abrotman: I am beginning to think you are in a bad mood today |
| 21:55.55 | abrotman | struct: i'm tired .. and mildly ill .. |
| 21:55.56 | stew | struct: the sox are losing |
| 21:56.00 | abrotman | and that! |
| 21:56.08 | struct | baseball sucks |
| 21:56.09 | abrotman | stew: schilling only lasted four innings |
| 21:56.41 | deadcat | abrotman: did they play yesterday? |
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| 21:56.49 | struct | I'm going to go spend time with people who are in a better mood |
| 21:56.53 | struct | later comrads |
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| 21:57.10 | abrotman | deadcat: only one official game yesterday .. mets/cardinals |
| 21:57.45 | tvynr | struct, abrotman: both #debian-bugs and #debian-python seem pretty dead. I sent a short e-mail to the package maintainer. Thanks for the advice. :) |
| 21:57.46 | deadcat | abrotman: ah. |
| 21:58.36 | abrotman | tvynr: #debian-bugs is *not* the place to ask about bugs .. it's for people working together to fix bugs in packages |
| 21:58.55 | abrotman | tvynr: you might have to wait a bit in the python channel |
| 21:59.11 | azeem | tvynr: did you try freenode or oftc? |
| 21:59.29 | tvynr | abrotman: Gotcha. I posted my question in #debian-python. I figure I'll have to wait a bit but I didn't think the e-mail would hurt. |
| 21:59.31 | tvynr | azeem: OFTC |
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| 22:03.41 | HostilePenguin | glxgears uses almost no cpu fgl_glxgears uses 100% is that normal? |
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| 22:04.49 | lostinfog | WRT the CDRW situation, the paste is http://channels.debian.net/paste/5934 |
| 22:06.22 | lostinfog | one bad cdrw on a spindle I'd believe, but I'm seeing these on numerous cdrws of different makes and speed ratings |
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| 22:24.32 | abchirk | yay wb :D |
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| 22:25.06 | abchirk | wb wb wb wb wb wb wb |
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| 22:25.10 | RichiH | bzed: well, this was a semi-planned split |
| 22:25.11 | dererk | Nice split |
| 22:25.11 | MLimburg | and the matrix re-establishes itself |
| 22:25.12 | HostilePenguin | what is netsplit |
| 22:25.12 | lostinfog | azeem: is that what you meant? |
| 22:25.13 | dimir | :-O |
| 22:25.13 | dererk | Eyaaaaa |
| 22:25.13 | dererk | LOL |
| 22:25.14 | lechef | ddos attack |
| 22:25.16 | dererk | RichiH, almost the whole server, right? |
| 22:25.16 | azeem | lostinfog: what is? |
| 22:25.17 | dererk | !tell HostilePenguin about netsplit |
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| 22:25.17 | lostinfog | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5934 |
| 22:25.17 | dererk | RichiH, Hi, btw :D |
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| 22:25.17 | bzed | RichiH: semi-planned sounds like accidentally pulling the wrong cable ;P |
| 22:25.18 | RichiH | dererk: we ripped out half the network :p |
| 22:25.18 | azeem | lostinfog: better adress people like "azeem: WRT the CDRW situation, the paste is http://channels.debian.net/paste/5934", once the text has scrolled off the window, we won't see it otherwise |
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| 22:25.18 | Ronin | RichiH: go big or stay home i always say |
| 22:25.18 | lostinfog | ok |
| 22:25.19 | RichiH | bzed: it sounds as if a sponsor just told us we must reroute half the network _now_ |
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| 22:25.20 | bzed | RichiH: ouch |
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| 22:25.20 | azeem | lostinfog: well yeah, looks like a bad CD |
| 22:25.21 | dererk | RichiH, huh! that's why my back hurts now |
| 22:25.21 | dererk | lol |
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| 22:25.22 | lostinfog | So I'd think, too, save that it is a spool of 25 and ALL of them are bad? |
| 22:25.22 | dererk | RichiH, I suppose it was like "Hey, hi there, you have 2 seconds to reroute. Bye!" :P |
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| 22:25.23 | bzed | lostinfog: could be a broken drive, too imho. bad CDs often have the same results as dirty/mis-aligned/.... optics |
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| 22:25.24 | b^j | has anyone had success backing up/restoring directories with spaces in the name using amanda? |
| 22:25.24 | lostinfog | bzed: it burns DVDs fine, could CD optics be hosed and DVDs still be ok? |
| 22:25.25 | DocPlatypus | lostinfog: that's very possible. My friend's old Playstation 2 quit reading CD-based games but played DVD-based games fine |
| 22:25.25 | bzed | DocPlatypus: yeah, I think it is |
| 22:25.25 | DocPlatypus | I had an old Smart and Friendly burner that would not erase CD-RWs but would burn virgin CD-RWs and CD-Rs fine |
| 22:25.28 | lostinfog | Can they be cleaned or do you just replace the drive? |
| 22:25.28 | DocPlatypus | it would not burn to a CD-RW again once it was burned to once |
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| 22:25.29 | DocPlatypus | lostinfog: I replaced my drive, it loaded the power supply down too much on the box it was in |
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| 22:25.30 | DocPlatypus | so I think it finally went 100% kaput |
| 22:25.30 | bzed | lostinfog: well, that depends on the problem. I'd try some known to be good CDs first. like some audio CD or anything you're know that it is ok |
| 22:25.31 | lostinfog | bzed: some existing cdrws (i use for backup) read/write fine but this last spindle of 25 was 100% bad, before that maybe 25% failure rate |
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| 22:25.31 | dutchfish | how can i make a template package wich can be build i tried dh_make with foo but its has lots of errors (complains about debian must be DEBIAN) and lots of errors in control file |
| 22:25.31 | lostinfog | I started to wonder if there was a DMA kernel bug |
| 22:25.32 | bzed | i'd never use cdrws for backup, they jsut fuck up times faster than any other CD |
| 22:25.32 | bzed | dutchfish: you use dh_make within a directory which contains the source but no debian folder |
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| 22:25.33 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: dh_make is the starting point. If you're having problems using it, then you need to provide the specific errors that you're getting as well as the .dsc, orig.tar.gz, and diff.gz of the package that you're trying to build. |
| 22:25.33 | dutchfish | bzed, yes of coarse i did |
| 22:25.33 | dondelelcaro | you should also probably read through the nm guide, which explains all of the basics. |
| 22:25.34 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 22:25.34 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 22:25.34 | dutchfish | bzed, it creates debian folder instead of DEBIAN folder, the control file has not a right format |
| 22:25.34 | lostinfog | bzed: do you prefer DVD or something else? |
| 22:25.34 | bzed | dutchfish: debian is the absolutely right name for that folder |
| 22:25.34 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: debian is right for source packages; DEBIAN is only used in binary packages to populate the control.tar.gz |
| 22:25.34 | bzed | lostinfog: I prefer tape or harddisks. probably dvd-ram |
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| 22:25.35 | dogmeat | folks, i just used my debian for a fax machine, very cool |
| 22:25.35 | dogmeat | :D |
| 22:25.35 | xand | fax is deprecated |
| 22:25.36 | bzed | dogmeat: are you probably using a Fritz! card? |
| 22:25.36 | dutchfish | bzed, if i change it to DEBIAN, dpkg-deb --build foo-1.0.1 will build correctly, strange .... |
| 22:25.36 | bzed | xand: so are 90% of official offices here :\ |
| 22:25.36 | bzed | dutchfish: I think you want to use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:25.37 | dutchfish | bzed, yes i want to build a multi-bin package |
| 22:25.38 | dutchfish | bzed, ty so much! |
| 22:25.38 | bzed | dutchfish: the new maintainers guide explains those things very well. |
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| 22:25.38 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: you don't use dpkg-deb; just use fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 22:25.38 | dutchfish | bzed, ok, sorry for taking your time, i rather new to this |
| 22:25.38 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thx, i will |
| 22:25.39 | dogmeat | was using an external modem, and efax software |
| 22:25.39 | bzed | ah ok |
| 22:25.40 | bzed | reminds me that I ahve an external modem lying aroudn here, too. good old piece of hardware! |
| 22:25.40 | tvynr | Does anyone know of a feasible way in which I can programmatically modify the partition table of a disk? I was just running fdisk as a subprocess and feeding its stdin the appropriate keystrokes, but I can't modify partition type this way (since partition type doesn't ask for a partition number if there's only one partition). |
| 22:25.40 | dutchfish | bzed, can dpkg-buildpackage make an initial template? or do i need other tools for that? |
| 22:25.52 | bzed | dutchfish: what is an initial template for you? |
| 22:26.03 | bzed | dutchfish: you mean an empty debian folder? |
| 22:26.12 | bzed | well not empty, but containing a useful start? |
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| 22:26.56 | dutchfish | bzed, i want to create an empty dir, drop an initial template, fill in the right files and drop my dir structure with bins, scripts etc and the build (roughly) |
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| 22:27.53 | bzed | dutchfish: so you just want to take some binaries/whatever and package them into a package? |
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| 22:28.06 | dutchfish | bzed, right ~ |
| 22:28.43 | bzed | dutchfish: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/index.html is a howto for you then |
| 22:28.59 | dutchfish | bzed, excellent, ty so much! |
| 22:29.15 | bzed | dutchfish: in case all you want to do is to manage your stuff in /usr/local, your probably just want to use stow. way more easy then building packages |
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| 22:29.19 | bzed | !stow |
| 22:29.20 | dpkg | [stow] Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 22:29.56 | dustybin | to get my domain on godaddy to park on a godaddy parked page i need to change the nameservers to the godaddy parked nameservers. Do i need to change anything in the A record or should i leave it blank? |
| 22:30.14 | dutchfish | bzed, no, i also need to run pre-instalation & instalation scripts to config the enchelada to the installers needs |
| 22:30.31 | dondelelcaro | better to just make Debian packages; it's not that hard |
| 22:30.45 | Ronin | dustybin: isnt that covered somewhere on godaddy.com? |
| 22:30.46 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 22:30.48 | Ronin | or it should be at least |
| 22:30.49 | bzed | dutchfish: yeah, for that you need a package |
| 22:31.13 | dustybin | Ronin: its all very vague on godaddys website, i cant find clear information anywhere |
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| 22:31.51 | dutchfish | i already build some but this is so timeconsuming, i thought there ought to be a template that could be configured with a script or something, so i dont need all the repetive tasks over and over again |
| 22:32.15 | bzed | dutchfish: make yourself one. or get the source of a similar pacakge and copy+change the stuff |
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| 22:32.28 | dutchfish | bzed, ok i will do |
| 22:32.48 | bzed | dutchfish: dh_make works well for my needs, though. but I'm not packaging binary stuff |
| 22:33.15 | dutchfish | bzed, i am sure it has a couple of minor erros (annoying) in Etch |
| 22:33.24 | bzed | dh_make? |
| 22:33.29 | dutchfish | bzed, yes |
| 22:33.43 | bzed | didn't run into any problems yet. what do you mean? |
| 22:34.36 | dutchfish | bzed, with package foo-1.0 it wont fill in the stuff right in the control file, leaving you with no buildable structure, i have to manual correct acouple of things |
| 22:34.51 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: it fills in the basics, but there are some things it can't figure out automatically. |
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| 22:35.03 | dondelelcaro | random autoconf packages don't have enough structure for it to do so |
| 22:35.09 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, ok, didnt know that |
| 22:35.26 | dondelelcaro | (dh-make-perl on the other hand can do it all... but perl packages are well formulated) |
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| 22:36.45 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i will delve further in it, one of things i developped is to snapshot a machine into a deb bin package for reinstalling, i need this for fast cluster setups |
| 22:37.10 | bzed | dondelelcaro: do you knwo if anybody is working on a dh-make-python? a serious setup.py should contain most needed information to create big parts of control at least |
| 22:37.12 | dutchfish | ones i have an example tested and running |
| 22:37.52 | bzed | dutchfish: there's FAI if you need to (re)install a lot of machines within a short time |
| 22:37.58 | bzed | !tell dutchfish about fai |
| 22:38.21 | dutchfish | bzed, those packages i need are self developpped |
| 22:38.48 | bzed | dutchfish: doesn't matter, FAI installs packages, it doesn't care who developed them |
| 22:39.00 | dutchfish | bzed, right |
| 22:39.19 | DawnLight | how do i make a directory in console? |
| 22:39.43 | dutchfish | mkdir |
| 22:39.43 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 22:40.21 | bzed | !tell DawnLight about newbiedoc |
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| 22:40.42 | dutchfish | bzed, can FAI run installer scripts & install what is needed depended on the answers provided to the script? |
| 22:40.44 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 22:41.05 | dondelelcaro | bzed: I've no idea; I personally don't write in python although I support people who do |
| 22:41.11 | dutchfish | bzed, deb packages can |
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| 22:44.03 | bzed | dutchfish: but deb packages can't install other packages becuase somebody said yes, do it. they're supposed to depend on them. with FAI you can preconfigure profiles for machines. I'm not exactly sure how fai works alone, as I;ve never used it without gosa |
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| 22:45.37 | dutchfish | bzed, if i understand it correctly i cant use FAI, it basically clones a machine, i only need te RECONSTRUCT a strcuture of packages and not touch the individual tasks & packages on that running system, the systems ar enot the same in packages installed and purpose |
| 22:45.56 | azeem | it's not only cloning |
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| 22:46.09 | azeem | you can define package groups for different sets of machines |
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| 22:46.44 | bzed | and I think you can even define different additional scripts and configfiles which should be run/added |
| 22:46.55 | bzed | at least gosa provides that function, so I guess it comes from FAI |
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| 22:47.21 | dutchfish | azeem, no i need to distribute a set of packages i basically dont care what is already running on an individual machine as long as it dont break dependecies |
| 22:47.24 | bzed | FAI is like solaris' jumpstart, just 12341 times better |
| 22:47.51 | mfrisch | or rh kickstart |
| 22:47.57 | bzed | yeah |
| 22:48.01 | bzed | or that suse thing |
| 22:48.08 | dutchfish | no suse yaks |
| 22:48.49 | bzed | we had a suse manager at the debian booth on the linuxworldexpo in frankfurt here, and he left pretty pissed when he realized that FAI was times faster than their stuff :P |
| 22:49.02 | bzed | that was fun :D |
| 22:49.07 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 22:49.42 | mfrisch | bzed: you need a fai kern mod right? |
| 22:50.50 | bzed | mfrisch: no |
| 22:50.50 | dutchfish | bzed, i will delve in your suggestions, but i think the debian package way is the most adequate ones i have mastered it |
| 22:51.30 | dutchfish | thx all |
| 22:51.42 | bzed | dutchfish: sure, I don't say anything against packaging stuff into debian packages, but for maintaining a cluster things liek fai _can_ save a lot of time, that's why I wanted to tell you about it. |
| 22:51.47 | Azar | hahaha: o/t but fun http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200704/error'd/horse.jpg |
| 22:51.59 | dutchfish | bzed, ok, noted, thx |
| 22:52.03 | bzed | dutchfish: but it really depends on your needs |
| 22:53.25 | bzed | dondelelcaro: py is my favourite language and I've packaged modules and more will follow, I think something like dh-make-python would be helpful, since the setup.py files often bring a short and long description and a list of dependencies. and for the default module, it could just put a debian/rules file in there whith the python cdbs stuff included. I think I'll have a look into that and probably write one... after zenoss is packaged |
| 22:53.29 | azeem | tschwinge: /w 11 |
| 22:53.32 | azeem | eh, oops |
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| 22:54.45 | wols | yes. support scripting language |
| 22:55.03 | wols | language's extensions (CPAN, mount of parnassus, etc) could be better all around |
| 22:55.20 | wols | but it's is tricky for a system like aot/deb |
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| 22:55.33 | DawnLight | how do i run programs with root privileges? i've read about kdesu but it's not in the repo |
| 22:55.46 | dutchfish | wols, curieus if there will be a dh-make-ruby .... |
| 22:56.06 | mfrisch | DawnLight: open a console type su - |
| 22:56.20 | mfrisch | DawnLight: then the program |
| 22:56.46 | DawnLight | but what if it's a gui program? |
| 22:57.23 | dutchfish | DawnLight, what program? |
| 22:57.25 | mfrisch | DawnLight: it runs it a console in X like xterm konsole |
| 22:57.29 | Azar | http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/04/msg00001.html |
| 22:57.40 | Azar | poor Martin |
| 22:57.50 | DawnLight | konquerer for example |
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| 22:58.52 | mfrisch | DawnLight: open konsole type su - enter pass konqueror...don't go on the web like that |
| 22:59.00 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yes it starts, np as su or install sudo (better) |
| 22:59.53 | dutchfish | DawnLight, its unsafe to do so |
| 23:00.20 | DawnLight | isn't there a gui for that? i mean, it's kde... |
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| 23:00.56 | karsten | Is ftp.us.debian.org fully hosed ro what? |
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| 23:01.18 | bwlang | is there an iptables module that handles bittorrent dynamically (like the dedicated ftp one?) can't find one. I don't like the idea of port forwarding for every workstation. |
| 23:01.19 | dutchfish | DawnLight, its not KDE its security |
| 23:01.58 | dutchfish | bwlang, what about a DMZ? |
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| 23:02.09 | karsten | bwlang: Remember, there's a port-forwarded workstation in every packet storm |
| 23:02.20 | karsten | bwlang: Might look for a BT proxy. |
| 23:02.27 | bwlang | dutchfish: i'm not interested in a dmz... |
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| 23:02.35 | Azar | karsten: that location never worked for me |
| 23:02.47 | bwlang | karsten: i'll have a look - i don't relish forwarding ports for clients... |
| 23:03.26 | karsten | Azar: I'm getting errors with missing list files, and a lockfile error from aptitude which may or may not be related. |
| 23:03.52 | Azar | karsten: yes, I had same issues everytime I tried it. Then I gave up and picked another location |
| 23:04.25 | karsten | bwlang: http://forums.phoenixlabs.org/archive/index.php?t-6639.html Not sure if there's anything in debian per se. |
| 23:04.36 | karsten | Azar: I'm hitting UC Berkeley ATM. |
| 23:04.50 | Azar | karsten: try a .de one... |
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| 23:05.23 | Azar | hello honorable abrotman |
| 23:05.32 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:05.46 | Azar | abrotman: since you missed it: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/04/msg00001.html |
| 23:06.01 | karsten | Looks like http.us.debian.org as well: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5935 |
| 23:06.02 | mfrisch | norm! uhm I mean abrotman |
| 23:06.07 | karsten | Azar: That's across the pond for me. |
| 23:06.12 | karsten | Azar: ... dirt *and* pond. |
| 23:06.29 | Azar | karsten: ? if it works why not? |
| 23:06.36 | Azar | I am using a .de |
| 23:07.05 | abrotman | Azar: ? |
| 23:07.43 | Azar | «Starting today, 10989 March 1977, Martin Krafft's Debian account is locked and his upload privileges are terminated. He can contact the DAM to have his email forwarded, by UUCP only[1], for 41 days.» |
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| 23:07.58 | karsten | Azar: WTF? |
| 23:08.05 | abrotman | Azar: uhm note the date of the email |
| 23:08.07 | karsten | 1977? |
| 23:08.09 | Azar | karsten: you should read the link |
| 23:08.14 | azeem | karsten: eternal march |
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| 23:08.27 | azeem | karsten: it's from Sunday |
| 23:08.28 | dfx- | how do I determine the compile-time flags used on Debian packages? |
| 23:08.39 | karsten | Feh. |
| 23:08.41 | azeem | dfx-: you look at the build log |
| 23:08.45 | Azar | azeem is right, from Sunday March 32 2007 |
| 23:08.53 | karsten | !smite Azar |
| 23:09.02 | Azar | ouch |
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| 23:09.33 | abrotman | Azar: do you get it now ? |
| 23:09.38 | karsten | we have release cycles, that's why it takes so long to get a release out; if we had release race cars, things would go a lot faster |
| 23:09.46 | Azar | abrotman: oh yess! |
| 23:09.59 | abrotman | ok .. good |
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| 23:11.21 | Azar | "On his blog, he also posted on some Consequences: «I expect to be assassinated by the hitmen of the Transnational Republic shortly afterwards, if the Debian security team does not get to me first.» |
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| 23:12.23 | karsten | Speaking of explulsions, dare I ask about sven luther? |
| 23:12.33 | bzed | dfx-: apt-get source packagename, then read debian/rules |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | has anyone asked for his expulsion lately ? |
| 23:12.55 | Azar | oh not again!!! |
| 23:13.03 | Azar | what he did now? |
| 23:13.06 | mango | hi every one, I want install a mail server. I had a look at sendmail, but it looks a bit complicated for a newbie. is ther any other software that you may recommend on opensource. thank you kindly |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | Azar: now? |
| 23:13.22 | karsten | Azar: Possibly: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/03/msg00266.html |
| 23:13.29 | karsten | mango: exim4 or postfix. |
| 23:13.34 | azeem | some people have asked for a mailing list ban |
| 23:13.47 | azeem | but there hasn't been any results |
| 23:13.50 | karsten | mango: Nobody in his right mind (or anybody else's) uses sendmail. |
| 23:14.07 | dustybin | who do u guys vote for the debian leader? |
| 23:14.33 | mango | karsten: thank you |
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| 23:14.45 | karsten | dustybin: Nobody. |
| 23:14.52 | karsten | dustybin: ... unless we're DDs. Most here aren't. |
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| 23:14.58 | mango | karsten: does that mean that sendmail is not any good or it is too dificult |
| 23:14.59 | mango | ? |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | dustybin: voting isn't over yet |
| 23:15.02 | bwlang | mango: my favorite is exim4 |
| 23:15.10 | wols | mango: both |
| 23:15.15 | dustybin | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00025.html |
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| 23:15.23 | karsten | mango: it's overly complicated for any but the very most complex of mail configs. |
| 23:15.34 | dutchfish | mango, not to forget Qmail its old but doe sit job still |
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| 23:15.44 | Azar | karsten: wow, that really looks bad for him |
| 23:15.47 | wols | abrotman: new postfix out |
| 23:15.49 | karsten | mango: The best reason for installing Sendmail today is that it's what you had running your servers yesterday, *iff* |
| 23:16.00 | karsten | mango: ... you can't figure out how to replace it with something simpler. |
| 23:16.02 | seth1248 | Is there any application that will display cpu tempurature on the taskbar? --I have gkrellm and it works just fine but I would like to display cpu temp on taskbar. |
| 23:16.02 | abrotman | wols: i use packages! |
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| 23:16.18 | karsten | seth1248: apt-cache search temp applet |
| 23:16.19 | wols | me too. but I already cursed debian for the etch freeze :P |
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| 23:16.30 | azeem | dutchfish: please don't advertise qmail |
| 23:16.33 | bzed | karsten: or if you're a m4 masochist |
| 23:16.45 | karsten | bzed: But you repeat yourself. |
| 23:17.02 | dustybin | how does exim perform as a mail server? |
| 23:17.03 | Azar | funny I read fast the lines and I get: votes for debian, exim4 as favorite... :) |
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| 23:17.33 | mango | thank you gays, |
| 23:17.37 | azeem | dustybin: how many mails does it send per minute? |
| 23:17.46 | dustybin | no |
| 23:17.48 | karsten | dustybin: qmail is old, largely unmaintained, a patch-hell, !DFSG free, idiosyncratic, and largely replaceable with cleaner, mainteined, DFSG-free alternatives with equal or better performance, very good security profiles, and vastly greater flexibility. |
| 23:17.50 | azeem | no mail? |
| 23:17.51 | Azar | as a devoted Debian user I make a proposition: that the next DPL to inherit a toy story name! |
| 23:18.39 | wols | speaking of qmail: what is djb doing nowadays? |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | Azar: dragon-tails.com .. |
| 23:18.44 | dutchfish | azeem, my 2nd choice would be postfix |
| 23:18.49 | abrotman | wols: i heard he's hiding in a cave :) |
| 23:18.50 | Azar | ahhhhhhh :) |
| 23:19.12 | wols | I've seen some news about him at a conference not so long ago I think |
| 23:19.13 | bwlang | dustybin: exim performs better than you need... |
| 23:19.17 | dustybin | my first choice would be microsoft exchange |
| 23:19.18 | karsten | wols: Causing headaches for someone, I'm sure. |
| 23:19.27 | mango | how about any other language could be used to replace foxpro in opensource. most of the application are written in foxpro, but I am trying to encourage the company to use linux. so i |
| 23:19.46 | karsten | !tell mango about search |
| 23:19.47 | wols | karsten: to be fair: he is a very vrey smart guy writing pretty good software (for its time) |
| 23:20.02 | wols | his personal problems notwithstanding :) |
| 23:20.03 | karsten | mango: You're not likely to get any particularly useful advice on that question here. |
| 23:20.22 | dutchfish | dustybin, its not a mailserver but a groupware solution |
| 23:20.24 | bwlang | mango: yikes... foxpro. there's no real analog. Maybe it's better to convince them to update their infrastructure in a real database like postgres |
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| 23:21.09 | karsten | wols: Qmail addressed a set of needs in 1997: it was secure (sendmail had had a long and troubled history there, particularly older and unmaintained versions), it was fast, and it did VERPs. It's now matched or equaled on all counts, with the possibly exception of security, but within a Debian context, exim4 or postfix should come damned close. |
| 23:21.15 | wols | dustybin: let's just say there is a reason why a favourite way to deploy exchange is behind a postfix proxy, so without any direct connection to the internet |
| 23:21.30 | dustybin | heh |
| 23:21.34 | karsten | wols: Exchange runs behind Sendmail here. |
| 23:21.43 | dustybin | wols: i believe thats a common setup |
| 23:22.12 | wols | dustybin: yes but a mailserver which needs another mailserver to actually do the work is simply no mailserver but a waste of diskspace |
| 23:22.19 | mango | bwlang: sorry for the maybe stupid question. but are you saying that postgres can replace foxpro |
| 23:22.26 | karsten | wols: Not necessarially. |
| 23:22.27 | dutchfish | wols, dustybin postfix is great as a smart relay for exchange |
| 23:22.31 | bzed | dustybin: eww, excahnge SUCKS ASS. *sorry for the language, but there're no better words to describe it* |
| 23:22.32 | dfx- | is it possible to see what compile flags were used to build certain debian packages? |
| 23:22.43 | bzed | dustybin: ahve a look at scalix or zimbra |
| 23:22.44 | karsten | wols: There are a plenty of mailflow designs that put a number of intermediary agents in place. |
| 23:22.57 | karsten | wols: The classic being MTA => MDA => MUA |
| 23:23.01 | bzed | dfx-: apt-get source packagename, then read debian/rules << i told you that minutes ago allready |
| 23:23.07 | wols | karsten: the question remains: can't MS write a MTA that works? |
| 23:23.13 | bwlang | mango: no, but you can build some new infrastructure that properly separates the datastore (postgres) from the user interface |
| 23:23.19 | wols | and with exchange, the answer is apparently a resounding: NO |
| 23:23.19 | dfx- | bzed: sorry, I didn't see that. thanks, though |
| 23:23.29 | dutchfish | wols, no |
| 23:23.32 | bzed | dfx-: no problem :) |
| 23:23.37 | karsten | wols: Today you're likely to have firewall, antispam, antivirus, and other filtering / proxying in place. |
| 23:23.41 | petemc | the mta part of exchange 2003 functions ok.. |
| 23:23.56 | wols | karsten: again: why can postfix or sendmail do this job and exchange can't? |
| 23:23.57 | bzed | wols: the internet intrusion server is another example of how not to do it |
| 23:24.03 | karsten | wols: Exchange makes a semi-decent IMAP/POP server for me ;-) |
| 23:24.19 | karsten | wols: That wasn't the part of your statement I was addressing. |
| 23:24.30 | bzed | karsten: why not use something decent instead then? |
| 23:24.36 | wols | well, imap and MS. two things that don't mix (see LookOut) |
| 23:24.50 | karsten | wols: Merely that to say that a mailstream consisting of components is stupid is, well, daft. |
| 23:25.00 | karsten | wols: I've already stated my recommendations. |
| 23:25.05 | karsten | wols: Exim4 or Postfix. |
| 23:25.13 | wols | karsten: postfix uses a ton of "cocponents" |
| 23:25.28 | wols | I swear my mail gets touched by a dozen little postfix programs before it's in my inbox |
| 23:25.33 | karsten | wols: Microsoft's IMAP is pretty decent. Doesn't play with Gnome Evolution, FWIW. |
| 23:25.48 | karsten | KDE Kontact deals with it though, as does fetchmail. |
| 23:25.49 | seth1248 | karsten: Thank's apt-cache search applet found sensors-applet - just what I needed. |
| 23:25.52 | bzed | wols: but the important parts of them are living in a chroot, whcih is not bad |
| 23:25.56 | mango | bwlang: thank you every body for your help today |
| 23:26.14 | wols | only seen it from the client end (lookout). and ther it was simply as all MS software: so shitty, it's unusable in a network |
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| 23:26.32 | dustybin | if you put a micrsoft exchange server side by side to a linux server running say postfix, would machine would perform better? |
| 23:26.38 | dustybin | *what |
| 23:26.49 | wols | posftix can't replace exchange |
| 23:27.02 | wols | so there is no comparison possible |
| 23:27.06 | bzed | dustybin: you would want to compare exchange with scalix or zimbra |
| 23:27.12 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 23:27.33 | dustybin | exchange does other microsofty networky stuff then i take it? |
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| 23:27.46 | dutchfish | dustybin, you could delve in openexchange or exchange4linux |
| 23:27.49 | wols | dustybin: for starters, it stores mail too |
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| 23:27.53 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 23:27.58 | wols | and it's a full groupware suite |
| 23:27.59 | bzed | dustybin: postfix neither provides imap nor pop3 nor a groupware |
| 23:28.04 | jetscreamer | wols: do you mean outlook? |
| 23:28.22 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: don't tell him |
| 23:28.28 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 23:28.49 | dustybin | could u group a bunch of tools together on linux so it could behave like ms exchange? |
| 23:28.49 | wols | tell me what? |
| 23:28.50 | dutchfish | dustybin, i used exchange4linux quiet alot, it has no ~75G limit as ms exchange 2003 has |
| 23:29.00 | dustybin | ok |
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| 23:29.06 | wols | dutchfish: yes. many people try. so far, with less than stellar results |
| 23:29.30 | jetscreamer | i won't tell wols i think he means outlook mfrisch |
| 23:29.46 | dutchfish | wols, my setups with exchange4linux did leave MS solutions far behind hands down ... |
| 23:29.58 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: me either ;-) |
| 23:30.05 | wols | dutchfish: using MS clients? |
| 23:30.14 | dutchfish | wols, but i admit i takes a huge efford to coble it together |
| 23:30.17 | wols | and Linux server? |
| 23:30.29 | dutchfish | wols, yes, with the damn outlook clients 2003 |
| 23:30.43 | wols | bi good |
| 23:30.53 | dutchfish | wols, it uses a special non-free outlook-connector |
| 23:31.14 | dutchfish | wols, but there support is good |
| 23:31.46 | jetscreamer | their |
| 23:32.08 | dutchfish | wols, with a single xeon 2.8 and hardware raid i could serve 250+ simultanous users hands down |
| 23:32.25 | dutchfish | wols, no mS solution can do that |
| 23:32.42 | wols | question: if I get my WPA/WEP/no encryption settingts wrong with my WLAN, can it still associate to a AP? |
| 23:33.03 | wols | cause the damn thing does associate but it won't fetch an IP via DHCP and static IP won't work either |
| 23:33.04 | Kevin` | wols associate? sometimes yes. communicate? no |
| 23:33.08 | mfrisch | wols: uhm not if the ap is encrypted? |
| 23:33.20 | wols | it isn't encrypted. MAC filter only |
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| 23:34.53 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 23:34.54 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:35.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:35.39 | jetscreamer | lets hope he's not a debian user who |
| 23:35.54 | jetscreamer | lets hope he's not a debian user who's system borked and he has to use a livecd |
| 23:39.26 | jetscreamer | come to think of it why is a swap file not an option when installing |
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| 23:39.49 | abrotman | it is |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. |
| 23:39.56 | jetscreamer | file? |
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| 23:40.08 | jetscreamer | i just installed again today btw |
| 23:40.18 | jetscreamer | seems much quicker |
| 23:40.30 | Pobega | jetscreamer: New installs always are. |
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| 23:41.03 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: you just needed to defrag your drive...;-) |
| 23:41.03 | wols | I don't feel much/any change in speed in old vs. new debian installs except for apt itself |
| 23:41.20 | wols | in that way, it's a nice change from windows which does feel a lot slower when it's installed for a while |
| 23:41.34 | jetscreamer | not only did it boot up quicker, the text was quicker |
| 23:41.37 | Pobega | jetscreamer: How long was your previous install installed for? |
| 23:41.47 | jetscreamer | few months i guess |
| 23:41.48 | Gokee2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.07 | mfrisch | network?? |
| 23:42.11 | jetscreamer | i changed hd's too |
| 23:42.12 | dutchfish | Gokee2, cache |
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| 23:42.30 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, Why is there not a way to dump the cache then? |
| 23:42.30 | wols | reading in its DB is slower the more stuff is installed I think |
| 23:42.48 | abrotman | more lists |
| 23:42.50 | dutchfish | Gokee2, there is actually |
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| 23:42.54 | abrotman | Lv-m1n1: go away |
| 23:43.06 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, How? |
| 23:43.08 | Lv-m1n1 | soryy :( |
| 23:43.30 | dutchfish | Gokee2, man apt-get ... apt-get clean ...etc |
| 23:44.20 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, I have used apt-get clean it did not help all that much my apt takes forever reading database I think it is |
| 23:44.33 | agent_ | Is there a screen reference card? |
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| 23:44.47 | dutchfish | Gokee2, then it must be your connection to the source or the source itself |
| 23:44.58 | abrotman | agent_: man screen ? |
| 23:45.06 | dutchfish | Gokee2, there is a tool to test out the best source i forgot |
| 23:45.12 | dondelelcaro | agent_: C-a ? |
| 23:45.48 | Gokee2 | I don`t mean downloading I mean using after the download is finished and before it starts |
| 23:45.50 | agent_ | Well, I was hoping for a real reference card that is about 1 page and can be printed. :) |
| 23:46.03 | Gokee2 | -using* |
| 23:46.17 | agent_ | Like the Debian refcard, or the vim or emacs ones. |
| 23:46.32 | dutchfish | Gokee2, apt-cache show netselect-apt |
| 23:47.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: how will that help ? |
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| 23:47.17 | Gokee2 | That is taking forever to show |
| 23:47.28 | dutchfish | abrotman, to find out wich source is the fastest for your uplink |
| 23:47.34 | mfrisch | agent_: is the man ok? man screen |lp ? |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | dutchfish: read his problem again |
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| 23:47.47 | Gokee2 | And its slowing my whole computer down |
| 23:48.11 | ruben | Hi, I have two disk, but by error I just deleted grub on the second disk, how to reinstall grub please? |
| 23:48.18 | dutchfish | abrotman, i could be wrong, but i think "reading database" means searching the source? |
| 23:48.30 | abrotman | dutchfish: <Gokee2> I don`t mean downloading I mean using after the download is finished and before it starts |
| 23:48.33 | wols | ruben: you still booted in linux? |
| 23:48.40 | wols | grub-install is the command |
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| 23:48.43 | abrotman | dutchfish: the network isn't the problem |
| 23:48.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, sorry |
| 23:48.57 | ruben | wols, nope, I have freebsd on the first disk, I am here :( |
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| 23:49.00 | Pobega | ruben: Boot into a LiveCD (Best bet would be Knoppix) and run grub-install |
| 23:49.10 | Gokee2 | abrotman, So what IS the problem? |
| 23:49.20 | ruben | I am trying to do # grub-install /dev/ad3 |
| 23:49.22 | abrotman | Gokee2: lots of date to maniupulate ? |
| 23:49.31 | wols | ruben: or look for stuff for grub which runs in freebsd |
| 23:49.32 | ruben | but fail with a strange error, |
| 23:50.01 | Pobega | ruben: What's the error? Nopaste it. |
| 23:50.03 | wols | ruben: ask #freebsd. we can't help with their software |
| 23:50.17 | ruben | yes, I want debian :( |
| 23:50.30 | Pobega | GRUB should be the same on all distros/OSes, no? |
| 23:50.31 | Caelum | is it possible to build binaries for an older libc6 than you have installed? |
| 23:50.34 | wols | but you don't have debian and the problem doesn't occur under debian... |
| 23:50.42 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Why would is have more then a new install (after installing all the programs on the new install)? I run apt-get clean fairly often |
| 23:50.46 | wols | Caelum: in a chroot, sure |
| 23:50.47 | mfrisch | ruben: msg dpkg !fixmbr |
| 23:50.50 | ruben | wols: yes, you are right |
| 23:50.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, could it be memmory related? very little memmory? |
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| 23:51.56 | ruben | okey, I will try using a linux live CD, thx :) |
| 23:51.59 | dutchfish | Gokee2, how much mem is in the system? |
| 23:51.59 | ruben | good bye!! |
| 23:52.12 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, 256 :( |
| 23:52.29 | wols | Gokee2: that is not memeory constrained |
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| 23:52.34 | dutchfish | Gokee2, for a desktop install or headless machine? |
| 23:52.39 | docta_v | anyone here with keepalived experience? i have a quick question |
| 23:52.47 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, Desktop |
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| 23:53.27 | SDwarfs | hi there... I have (still) a problem with my installed exim4 (on debian etch, configured with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config): When I send a Testmail via "sendmail sdwarfs@gmx.de" the mail is delivered to the local User "sdwarfs" (maildir) instead to be sent to the external SMTP-Server. But gmx.de is not configured as local domain nor does it appear in my config at all... - if I send a mail to an adress e.g. xyz@gmx.de (if the local use |
| 23:53.27 | dutchfish | Gokee2, run an top along in another box while using apt maybe its swapping due to less mem ... |
| 23:53.38 | Azar | haha: http://www.inittab.de/blog/backports/20070318_gnome2.16-backport.html |
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| 23:54.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: sure it could |
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| 23:54.46 | dutchfish | Gokee2, for my desktop etch installs i use a min of 512mb |
| 23:56.19 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, I had another stick of 256 but part of it went bad |
| 23:56.39 | dutchfish | Gokee2, mem is at all time low atm .... |
| 23:56.46 | dutchfish | Gokee2, i mean price |
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| 23:58.03 | dutchfish | Gokee2, for my old laptop with 128mb i went back to sarge it helps alot |
| 23:58.08 | Gokee2 | dutchfish, Hmm I will have to think about getting some then |
| 23:58.14 | Gokee2 | sarge is faster? |
| 23:58.26 | Gokee2 | Why? |
| 23:58.28 | dutchfish | Gokee2, its slower but need sless mem |
| 23:58.36 | Gokee2 | hmm |
| 23:58.43 | dutchfish | Gokee2, the net effect can be faster |
| 23:59.11 | shingouz | Gokee2: lose gnome or kde and use something a bit lighter. even sid runs nicely with some good configs |
| 23:59.16 | dutchfish | Gokee2, i would prefer more mem |
| 23:59.47 | dutchfish | Gokee2, at 1G Etch flies ... |
