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| 00:00.31 | Gokee2 | I kind of want to buy the parts for a new computer rather then upgrading this one much |
| 00:00.53 | Gokee2 | I would like something better then this old athlon XP 1800 |
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| 00:01.23 | dutchfish | Gokee2, mem does more then raw cpu speed in my expirience |
| 00:01.47 | wols | especially on linux |
| 00:01.47 | shingouz | p2-450. stop complaining, guys :) |
| 00:01.53 | Azar | someone kill luk: "N = 2 Apr 2007: 0 RC bugs. Barring any problems that would cause us to need to re-roll the installer <knock on wood>, we should be ready to release" |
| 00:02.05 | dutchfish | wols, yup |
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| 00:02.44 | wols | dutchfish: I run sid on a 128MB P2 btw. and it's fast. sid is no problem on such hardware |
| 00:02.48 | Gokee2 | hmm |
| 00:02.49 | Azar | the full etch desktop might be monstruous, humongous, godzilla |
| 00:02.55 | wols | of course one has to stay far away from kde and gnome |
| 00:02.58 | Pobega | Azar: Where did you find that? |
| 00:03.00 | karsten | Gokee2: IceWM is fast and light, and configurable. Fluxbox and kin are light. I like windowmaker myself. |
| 00:03.00 | SDwarfs | hi there... I have (still) a problem with my installed exim4 (on debian etch, configured with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config): When I send a Testmail via "sendmail sdwarfs@gmx.de" the mail is delivered to the local User "sdwarfs" (maildir) instead to be sent to the external SMTP-Server. But gmx.de is not configured as local domain nor does it appear in my config at all... |
| 00:03.08 | SDwarfs | if I send a mail to an adress e.g. xyz@gmx.de (if the local user xyz does not exist) the mail is sent outside... The output of "exim -d -bt sdwarfs@gmx.de" seems to be ok (would deliver external -- see http://www.worldtalk.de/exim4-d-bt.txt) Whats wrong? Any ideas how to change that? |
| 00:03.12 | dutchfish | wols, yes, but it depends greatly on what you installed and want to run |
| 00:03.23 | Gokee2 | But you see if I get a bunch of ram now it would be the wrong type when I do get a newer computer |
| 00:03.24 | Azar | Pobega: some old announcement on an article: old schedule |
| 00:03.25 | Pobega | karsten: Window Maker power :) |
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| 00:03.44 | Gokee2 | karsten, But iceWM does not have a desktop |
| 00:03.55 | dutchfish | wols, initially when i started with linux i wanted to try all the packages .... well it took there toll ;) |
| 00:03.59 | wols | Gokee2: what do you need a "desktop" for? |
| 00:04.40 | Pobega | Gokee2: So install a desktop program, i.e. idesk |
| 00:04.40 | Gokee2 | wols, Do keep my icons |
| 00:04.40 | Pobega | Gokee2: I'm pretty sure idesk is what is used in DSL. Not 100% sure though. |
| 00:04.40 | Azar | Gokee2: I run X with no desktop |
| 00:04.40 | Gokee2 | To* |
| 00:04.40 | shingouz | i'd prefer xfce 3.8 but the 3.8.18-2.1 (latest version) is missing from snapshot. anyone happen to have the damn deb for intel? |
| 00:04.40 | Gokee2 | DSL? |
| 00:04.40 | Pobega | DamnSmallLinux |
| 00:04.40 | Pobega | !dsl |
| 00:04.41 | dpkg | dsl is, like, Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 00:04.42 | Pobega | Nevermind. |
| 00:04.48 | wols | Gokee2: desktop is obstructed by running programs anyways |
| 00:04.56 | Pobega | But who needs a desktop? |
| 00:04.58 | Pobega | Just use hotkeys. |
| 00:05.03 | dutchfish | Pobega, me |
| 00:05.11 | Azar | openbox is more than enough |
| 00:05.15 | Pobega | dutchfish: hotkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeys |
| 00:05.18 | Gokee2 | wols, But there is always a handy button to bring the desktop back to top |
| 00:05.47 | Gokee2 | Plus transparent konsols to see the nice desktop pic |
| 00:05.55 | dutchfish | Pobega, i am 50+ years old and need open office instead of learning Emacsen |
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| 00:06.14 | Pobega | dutchfish: It's what makes GNU/Linux great, isn't it? |
| 00:06.18 | Pobega | dutchfish: Choice, I mean. |
| 00:06.23 | wols | alpha trans and wallpapers on a mem constrained machine? yeah right... |
| 00:06.31 | dutchfish | Pobega, yup i totally agree |
| 00:06.33 | Pobega | Gokee2: From what you want it sounds like you'd be better off with a desktop environment than just a window manager. |
| 00:06.40 | mfrisch | dutchfish: abiword makes great doc files |
| 00:06.52 | Pobega | You know, I have a question about Abiword. |
| 00:06.54 | Alam_Debian | can I get a list of DNS entry that been resolved in the last 5 minutes? |
| 00:07.06 | Gokee2 | Pobega, Which is what KDE provides |
| 00:07.07 | Pobega | Whenever I have a document over two pages long, and I try scrolling up/down, Abiword lags to hell. |
| 00:07.17 | Pobega | Etch by the way. |
| 00:07.18 | Gokee2 | KDE is rather slow though |
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| 00:07.41 | wols | KDE wants at least 512MB RAM |
| 00:07.53 | Pobega | Just wondering if anyone has had the same troubles with Abiword as I do...No idea what it could be from. |
| 00:08.22 | Gokee2 | Is there a easy way to start a x session with a diffrent wm? |
| 00:08.32 | Pobega | KDM/GDM? |
| 00:08.39 | Gokee2 | (Other then moving .xinitrc`s around) |
| 00:08.51 | Gokee2 | Pobega, NO! |
| 00:08.52 | Pobega | WDM is my choice. |
| 00:09.11 | karsten | dutchfish: You think with 1k? |
| 00:09.20 | Pobega | Well if you'll be moving between them a lot why not at least install WDM? |
| 00:09.20 | Gokee2 | I dislike things like kdm loging in for me |
| 00:09.22 | mfrisch | Pobega: have you gotten qingy to work its another choice fb |
| 00:09.30 | dutchfish | karsten, i meant it has 1k memmory ;) |
| 00:09.35 | karsten | Gokee2: Most DMs have a session selector. Or 'startx <client> -- <server options> |
| 00:09.42 | Gokee2 | and starting up when I start my computer when I don`t wish to have X REALLY annoys me |
| 00:09.45 | karsten | dutchfish: Ah, you you have nostalgia, but only 1k worht. |
| 00:09.47 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2: you either use a DM, or you give options to startx, or you set env variables, or do something else. |
| 00:09.52 | Pobega | mfrisch: Another choice vs. Abiword you mean? And no, it doesn't seem to be in Etch's repositories. |
| 00:10.02 | dutchfish | karsten, thinking with 1k ... looks like alzheimer ...:) |
| 00:10.07 | Gokee2 | <client>? as in kde? |
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| 00:10.46 | karsten | Gokee2: Anything you run under X11 (including window managers and most of what counts as a "desktop environment") is an "X client". |
| 00:10.49 | karsten | Gokee2: So yes. |
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| 00:11.01 | karsten | Gokee2: You'll want to invoke something liek "startke" though IIRC. |
| 00:11.13 | mfrisch | Pobega: ii qingy 0.9.3ds1-1 its a dm |
| 00:11.16 | Gokee2 | Ah ok |
| 00:11.27 | Azar | ow owww my god Buxy! I thought is a hot babe.. |
| 00:11.36 | Gokee2 | So startx startkde would do the same thing as startx? |
| 00:11.55 | ruben_ | Hi, me the 'boot grub problem', trying to do grub-install /dev/hdd I have this error, could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device, any idea? please help :) |
| 00:11.59 | karsten | Gokee2: If 'startx' defaults to launching KDE, then yes. |
| 00:12.02 | ruben_ | now I am on a debian live |
| 00:12.05 | Azar | thanks guys for advising me not to go to Debian-women |
| 00:12.09 | ruben_ | knoppix |
| 00:12.09 | Gokee2 | Ah good |
| 00:12.18 | Pobega | mfrisch: Ooh, no, I haven't seen that. And it's only in Unstable, and I'm running Etch anyway. |
| 00:12.31 | dutchfish | !debina |
| 00:12.31 | dpkg | [debina] debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 00:12.39 | mfrisch | ruben_: did you bind dev then chroot? |
| 00:12.50 | ruben_ | mfrisch: how please? |
| 00:12.59 | mfrisch | !fixmbr |
| 00:13.00 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 00:13.27 | karsten | With debian sources, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz, gunzip the diff, then 'partch <package>.diff ? |
| 00:14.01 | ruben_ | mfrisch: well I have a lots of partitions, I need to mount all? or what? |
| 00:14.12 | gravity | That reminds me, I should try debian-live in qemu at some point |
| 00:14.51 | gravity | Caelum: Did X break for you doing that? |
| 00:14.52 | mfrisch | ruben_: well usr boot / var is nice |
| 00:16.05 | Caelum | gravity: I've had various bizarre problems requiring apt-get install <whatever>/unstable to fix, and now I found out I have a bizarre libc6, downgrading which removes like 100 packages :) |
| 00:16.55 | gravity | Caelum: Ah, yeah that'd be a big problem :-) |
| 00:17.13 | gravity | Caelum: Since experimental is really a bunch of stuff built against unstable rather than other parts of unstable, it gets messy |
| 00:17.24 | gravity | It's really not a proper distro like stable/testing/unstable |
| 00:17.33 | Azar | Debian Ultra, Debian Supreme, Debian Extreme.. |
| 00:18.02 | ruben_ | mfrisch: it is not possible doing a 'newbie way'? I can't :( |
| 00:18.14 | messiah | I want to ask how I must configure the syslog to log the iptables? |
| 00:18.31 | Azar | ruben_: new at mounting devices? |
| 00:18.44 | ruben_ | Trying to restore grub :( |
| 00:18.47 | dutchfish | Azar, what about simpson family? homer, liza etc sounds cool to me |
| 00:18.47 | mfrisch | ruben_: how far are you? |
| 00:18.52 | ruben_ | Implies to be an expert :( |
| 00:19.07 | Azar | dutchfish: yep a great idea |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | can you name more than 10? |
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| 00:20.38 | gravity | There were porn stars in the victorian era? Or stars of any sort? |
| 00:21.13 | gravity | I guess opera and literary, now that I think about it. Oscar Wilde and all. |
| 00:21.24 | dutchfish | gravity, sure |
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| 00:21.58 | karsten | gravity: Hey, I'd like to enlist you in a campaign. |
| 00:21.58 | gravity | uh oh |
| 00:21.59 | karsten | gravity: Create "mastercard" as an alias for VGA. |
| 00:21.59 | gravity | Ha! |
| 00:21.59 | shingouz | never volunteer |
| 00:21.59 | karsten | gravity: That way we can tell people ... |
| 00:21.59 | dutchfish | marilyn [monroe] as a start |
| 00:21.59 | Azar | dutchfish: my favorite is beastwars and their character names are really cool, energizing |
| 00:22.03 | karsten | gravity: ... "For most cards, if you need a working X11 config, use vesa" |
| 00:22.08 | karsten | gravity: .... for everything else ... |
| 00:22.09 | Azar | hi mister gravity! |
| 00:22.27 | gravity | Azar: Hiya |
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| 00:22.44 | gravity | peterS must love that one |
| 00:22.59 | Azar | hey, btw, does anyone know if Joey Martin Schultze is back or he closed the DWN for good |
| 00:23.01 | karsten | gravity: I'm not sure he's heard it yet. |
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| 00:23.22 | PhilKC | Evil SportChick! |
| 00:23.30 | karsten | Azar: A few editions have been released / escaped in past months. |
| 00:23.37 | gravity | Azar: He's still around doing Debian work, but he's not doing DWN, afaik. Others are doing it monthly. If you want to help make it weekly, I'm sure it'd be appreciated. |
| 00:23.57 | Azar | ... since he posted : «Executive Summary: I'm seeking sponsorship for DWN. >> only one edition came up |
| 00:24.00 | karsten | gravity: PM? |
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| 00:24.12 | ruben_ | mfrisch: How can I 'to entero' to chroot? |
| 00:24.19 | ruben_ | to enter |
| 00:24.23 | Azar | ayy ! me ? I feel so honored!! |
| 00:24.28 | ruben_ | chroot / /bin/bash ? |
| 00:24.37 | karsten | gravity: Have you heard hide nor hair from helix of late? She's in Mountain View, I think, but doesn't reply to mail. Have I pissed her off (more than usually?)? |
| 00:24.48 | abrotman | Azar: DWN has always been done with the help of people who submit articles |
| 00:24.59 | mfrisch | ruben_: you got to mount / on /mnt |
| 00:25.08 | gravity | karsten: She's around a bit, but I get the impression she's pretty busy. I haven't discussed you with her at all, so I don't know if you pissed her off |
| 00:25.16 | Azar | abrotman: but this is my forte! Im in touch with the news! |
| 00:25.20 | psbase | I would like to get the two following modules running for apache2: dav_svn_module and mod_authz_svn. The problem is, they don't exists yet (i.e. when I use a2enmod) |
| 00:25.36 | psbase | how do I get them? |
| 00:25.38 | karsten | gravity: OK. |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | Azar: no .. you're in touch with slashdot |
| 00:26.08 | messiah | someone know how how can I store the log data of iptables? |
| 00:26.11 | messiah | into a file? |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | karsten: she popped in here briefly last week |
| 00:26.16 | Azar | no, nononono, lxer |
| 00:26.21 | ruben_ | mfrisch: well, mount /dev/hdd10 /mnt hdd10 is /, now how to enter? |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | karsten: and is on fn and oftc |
| 00:26.55 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
| 00:26.57 | mfrisch | ruben_: are you at bash |
| 00:27.00 | karsten | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 00:27.57 | ruben_ | chroot /bin/bash /mnt/bin/bash ? |
| 00:28.19 | mfrisch | chroot /mnt |
| 00:28.56 | dutchfish | psbase, apt-get install libapache2-svn |
| 00:29.37 | psbase | dutchfish, I was so stupid, I could have looked it up with apt-cache search. Didn't got the idea though. thanx man |
| 00:29.46 | Moffa | what's the command for reconfiguring mouse in etch? reconfiguring X? Thanks. |
| 00:29.48 | dutchfish | psbase, yw |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 00:30.04 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 00:31.08 | Moffa | xserver-xorg is correct for etch, is this the same for reconfiguring mouse? |
| 00:31.23 | Moffa | correct for me |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | it will ask you for your mouse device |
| 00:32.04 | Moffa | thank you |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | though your problem might lie deeper |
| 00:32.27 | Moffa | well... |
| 00:32.42 | ruben_ | mfrisch: now using grub-install /dev/hdd seems to be something :) |
| 00:32.58 | ruben_ | Probing devices |
| 00:33.08 | Moffa | my mouse moves, but can't click, rt or left, after konqueror crashed and X froze up, then I killed konq and X worked again |
| 00:33.17 | mfrisch | ruben_: cool! but it might not |
| 00:33.34 | Moffa | don't want to restart X, too many windows open with important stuff... |
| 00:34.02 | mfrisch | Moffa: start saving |
| 00:34.10 | Moffa | been saving for hours |
| 00:34.23 | Moffa | tough without a working mouse |
| 00:34.26 | ruben_ | !fixmbr |
| 00:34.26 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 00:35.08 | mfrisch | ruben_: did it install? |
| 00:36.18 | ruben_ | mfrisch: Is probing devices 'still yet', sorry my english := |
| 00:36.20 | ruben_ | :) |
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| 00:37.00 | mfrisch | ruben_: try grub-install /dev/.static/dev/hdd |
| 00:37.25 | elodeon | Hello, do I download the .jigdo and .template files given in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/ manually or do I just give this URL to jigdo-lite ? |
| 00:38.22 | agent_ | elodeon: I believe both ways should work. If you just give it the jigdo url then it will download the template file for you. |
| 00:38.39 | elodeon | you mean files. there are like 15 template and jigdo files in that directory |
| 00:38.45 | elodeon | ? |
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| 00:39.14 | ruben_ | mfrisch: weel, I have /dev/.static/dev but I dont'h have /dev/.static/dev/hdd |
| 00:39.20 | elodeon | thanks agent_ |
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| 00:39.58 | mfrisch | ruben_: did you bind /dev and /proc ? |
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| 00:41.02 | agent_ | elodeon: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 00:41.05 | ruben_ | well, proc nope |
| 00:41.08 | karsten | apt-get: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Release.gpg Bad header line |
| 00:41.11 | ruben_ | mount -bind /proc /mnt/proc ? |
| 00:41.12 | karsten | Known issue? |
| 00:41.42 | mfrisch | ruben_: out side the chroot ctrl-c to exit |
| 00:41.48 | agent_ | elodeon: You only want to use one file (so yes, I did mean file not files). Each jigdo file corresponds to an iso image. |
| 00:42.35 | ruben_ | mfrisch: It is strange, I am trying to kill grub, but it ignores -KILL signal too :P |
| 00:43.01 | karsten | ruben_: kill grub? |
| 00:43.48 | agent_ | elodeon: Of course, if you want to download multiple iso images, you need to use multiple jigdo files. Note that Debian Stable comes in 14 CD's (hence the 14 jigdo files) |
| 00:43.55 | mfrisch | ruben_: restart everything this time make sure to mount everything before the chroot |
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| 00:44.21 | ruben_ | mount /proc is before or after chroot? |
| 00:44.29 | mfrisch | before |
| 00:44.37 | ruben_ | ok, thanks mfrisch :) |
| 00:44.59 | agent_ | elodeon: Also, you probably want Debian Testing and not Stable (if it's for a desktop and not a server) |
| 00:45.48 | karsten | OK, resolution: aptitude was dying with an error about not being able to lock the lists directory, and questioning my manliness^rootliness. ("are you root"). |
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| 00:46.04 | karsten | Running apt-get -f install resolved that. |
| 00:46.28 | karsten | Now if I'd known that five _hours_ ago... |
| 00:46.30 | scsi_sata_lost | anybody knows why I can enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA on a kernel more recent than 2.6.18 ? |
| 00:46.42 | karsten | scsi_sata_lost: can or cannot? |
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| 00:47.10 | scsi_sata_lost | can't, sorry |
| 00:47.38 | karsten | scsi_sata_lost: Might read changelogs ;-) |
| 00:47.56 | scsi_sata_lost | ok |
| 00:48.38 | Azar | karsten: hahaha |
| 00:49.13 | Azar | unbelievable but there are folks dissatisfied with apt |
| 00:49.59 | CompWizdr | i <3 dselect and apt-get |
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| 00:51.01 | Azar | .. like this guy: http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2298 |
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| 00:53.11 | Azar | "I run Debian Lenny" sounds good |
| 00:54.02 | shogunx | what character was lenny? |
| 00:54.26 | Azar | hmmmm can't remember exactly but there was a website with their pics |
| 00:54.45 | DocPlatypus | Azar: I like apt a lot, beats RPM dependency hell any day |
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| 00:55.40 | abrotman | shogunx: binoculars |
| 00:55.46 | liable | lenyy the binoculars or summin |
| 00:55.50 | elodeon | agent_: so I have to dwnload all 14 cd's for a simple debian install ? |
| 00:56.23 | DocPlatypus | elodeon: no, you can just install off the net |
| 00:56.41 | DocPlatypus | unless of course the box does not have a net connection then you're stuck getting two DVDs/14 CDs full |
| 00:57.25 | elodeon | shucks |
| 00:57.26 | elodeon | fricking drick |
| 00:58.15 | mfrisch | 57] <-- messiah has left this server. |
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| 00:58.25 | Azar | I guess this is lenny? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lair2000.net/ToyStory3.5/Bullseye2.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.lair2000.net/ToyStory3.5/Toy_Story3.5.html&h=261&w=204&sz=22&tbnid=i63EAOxavLIcRM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=88&hl=en&start=40&um=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtoy%2Bstory%2Bcharacters%2Bimages%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D1%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN |
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| 00:58.30 | Azar | ew ugly |
| 00:58.43 | karsten | Azar: tinyurl.com is your friend. |
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| 00:59.32 | Debian-X | x_link Go To Sleep! |
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| 01:00.39 | wireddd | wow |
| 01:01.23 | dondelelcaro | http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/lenny_binoc.jpg <-- that's lenny. |
| 01:02.07 | magyar | when i run this command >> "update-initramfs -u -k all" from where the conf files is read? |
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| 01:03.21 | Azar | I found it, is the last picture, in the bottom, the walking binoculars: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=3876 |
| 01:04.15 | wireddd | Azar: dondelelcaro's link is much better |
| 01:04.27 | Azar | woww cool, dondelecaro, gonna make my bgimage with it on lenny |
| 01:04.49 | dondelelcaro | that's (iirc) actually the burger king toy for it, but you get the idea |
| 01:05.15 | Azar | hehe, is still cool |
| 01:05.43 | wireddd | dpkg: lenny pic is http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/lenny_binoc.jpg |
| 01:05.44 | karsten | Hey, there's "Troll" |
| 01:05.44 | dpkg | okay, wireddd |
| 01:05.49 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 01:06.06 | Azar | karsten: yea looked there there is no picture for lenny |
| 01:06.31 | karsten | Azar: I'm just thinking "Debian Troll" would be great ;-) |
| 01:06.51 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:06.54 | wireddd | I wonder when debian Toddle Tots Fire Truck will be coming out |
| 01:07.03 | jargonjustin | With LVM, I've added another physics volume to the volume group, and I'd like to extend my current logical volume to fill it. How do I go about doing this? It's currently unformatted and running XFS. |
| 01:07.05 | Azar | hahahahaha |
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| 01:10.36 | f1sh | Would there be a nice person in here that could help me fix my apache on sarge? |
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| 01:11.20 | bzed | !ask |
| 01:11.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:12.20 | bzed | jargonjustin: first you need to resize the logical volume |
| 01:12.43 | jargonjustin | bzed: Got it, did lvextend then xfs_grow |
| 01:13.12 | Azar | f1sh: describe your problem, if needed use a paster |
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| 01:13.26 | Azar | !paster |
| 01:13.26 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:13.34 | elodeon | why is it preferable to get the "testing" distribution cd images instead of the "stable" release CDs ? |
| 01:13.36 | odla | upgrading mplayer is going to remove this package: libconfhelper-perl <-- is that ok? |
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| 01:13.49 | elodeon | is there ableton live for debian ? |
| 01:13.55 | bzed | jargonjustin: fine :) not very complicated, isn;t it :) |
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| 01:13.59 | elodeon | why is it preferable to get the "testing" distribution cd images instead of the "stable" release CDs ? |
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| 01:14.23 | bzed | elodeon: because the actual testing version will become the new stable in a week or 2 |
| 01:14.36 | Azar | elodeon: if you have hardware that are not very well supported by the 2.6.8 kernel in stable, you can get the testing which uses 2.6.18 kernel with wider support |
| 01:14.48 | elodeon | thanks |
| 01:15.04 | elodeon | how many CDs do I need , is this jdk included ? |
| 01:15.20 | elodeon | 2 CDs or more for a developer ? |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | use the netinst if you can |
| 01:15.44 | Azar | elodeon: for base install just 1CD, the first, if you want everything, all CDs |
| 01:16.00 | elodeon | can i just the first three for now ? |
| 01:16.19 | Azar | elodeon: as abrotman said: netinst |
| 01:16.45 | bzed | !be a netinst barbie |
| 01:16.46 | dpkg | Aww, netinst is HARD! Let's go shopping, bzed |
| 01:16.52 | Azar | :) |
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| 01:18.10 | bzed | elodeon: debian is not like suse or redhat where you need to download and install X dvds, you just use the netinstall image and install what you need, directly from the internet. |
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| 01:18.37 | f1sh | do i have to paste my pastelink? |
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| 01:19.09 | bzed | f1sh: yeah :) |
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| 01:19.13 | f1sh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5936 |
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| 01:19.26 | {Nathan} | For some reason, when I press ctrl+alt+1-6, it doesn't switch to a tty. I run debian etch and KDE 3.5. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 01:19.42 | bzed | although I thought paster should do that, but paster seems to be in bed |
| 01:19.55 | f1sh | paster knows best |
| 01:19.56 | karsten | {Nathan}: some video cards bork that capability. |
| 01:20.27 | {Nathan} | karsten: It worked before. I have dual monitors, would that make a difference? |
| 01:20.35 | karsten | {Nathan}: My card does or doesn't depending on whether or not I'm single head or dual. |
| 01:20.39 | karsten | {Nathan}: Could very well. |
| 01:20.45 | messiah | someone know how can I store the log of the iptables? |
| 01:20.46 | bzed | f1sh: are you using backports.org? |
| 01:20.47 | {Nathan} | It's not double head -- I have 2 cards |
| 01:20.50 | karsten | {Nathan}: I haven't dug into the why or wherefore. |
| 01:20.55 | f1sh | bzed: no |
| 01:20.57 | bzed | messiah: it should go to syslog automatically |
| 01:21.00 | karsten | messiah: It logs to /var/log/messages by default, I believe. |
| 01:21.16 | bzed | f1sh: try apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker |
| 01:21.27 | messiah | ohh ok I see now 1 min |
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| 01:21.59 | f1sh | bzed: "apache2-mpm-worker is already the newest version." |
| 01:22.09 | bzed | f1sh: and dpkg --configure --pending ? |
| 01:22.34 | f1sh | bzed: nothing |
| 01:22.44 | f1sh | might just remove them 1 by 1 |
| 01:23.13 | wireddd | {Nathan}: what cards, which drivers are you using, what happens when you try? |
| 01:23.53 | {Nathan} | wireddd: Nothing happens when I try. I'm using the nv driver on my Nvidia MX 2 and the nvidia driver on my Nvidia FX 5500. |
| 01:24.09 | bzed | f1sh: actually I have no clue how that happened. you probably want to try aptitude to fix that, it's times better than dselect, or jsut deinstall all apache2 packages and install them again |
| 01:24.26 | bzed | {Nathan}: are you using pde/kdm? |
| 01:24.29 | wireddd | can you see the kernel/init process when you boot? |
| 01:24.31 | bzed | *kde |
| 01:24.39 | f1sh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5937 |
| 01:24.43 | f1sh | k. i'll try |
| 01:24.52 | f1sh | just using apt-get remove anyway |
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| 01:25.10 | wireddd | {Nathan}: can you see the kernel/init process when you boot? |
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| 01:25.42 | bzed | f1sh: err. in apt-get the -f means --fix. you want to use dpkg to remove packages, if you really need, uuse dpkg --force-depends |
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| 01:26.00 | f1sh | ta |
| 01:26.30 | bzed | wireddd: I doubt that's an init problem, I hjad that with kde and it disappeared like it came after a few upgrades |
| 01:27.03 | {Nathan} | wireddd: yes |
| 01:27.11 | wireddd | bzed: well you never know, might as well go ahead and eliminate it |
| 01:27.28 | bzed | {Nathan}: are you using kde/kdm? |
| 01:27.57 | {Nathan} | bzed: yes |
| 01:28.19 | messiah | I found the messages but I have a lot of info no only the iptables info |
| 01:28.28 | messiah | where are located the kernel info? |
| 01:28.31 | bzed | I had exactly the same issue on kde a few months ago. but unfortunately I have no clue how it started... it was gone before I could look into that |
| 01:28.33 | messiah | sorry the iptables info |
| 01:28.45 | bzed | {Nathan}: ^ that was for you up there |
| 01:28.54 | {Nathan} | bzed: Hmm... |
| 01:29.00 | wireddd | {Nathan}: have you updated lately? |
| 01:29.24 | {Nathan} | wireddd: I'm upgrading as we speak |
| 01:29.29 | wireddd | {Nathan}: err ungraded lately |
| 01:29.48 | bzed | update + upgrade +P |
| 01:29.51 | bzed | :P |
| 01:30.13 | wireddd | {Nathan}: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 01:30.33 | {Nathan} | wireddd: It's upgrading as we speak. I'm doing that. |
| 01:31.26 | bzed | !give {Nathan} girl scout cookies |
| 01:33.19 | elodeon | is the netinst CD the same as the "minimal bootable cd" ? |
| 01:33.28 | elodeon | or not ? |
| 01:33.58 | {Nathan} | wireddd: bzed: All upgraded |
| 01:34.16 | bzed | {Nathan}: any new kde and/or zorg pacakges? |
| 01:34.27 | {Nathan} | kdelibs, yeah |
| 01:34.48 | bzed | elodeon: is there still a minimal cd on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? I like to forget that. I'd recommend the netinstall, though |
| 01:35.22 | bzed | {Nathan}: check if the bug is gone. if not, I'm out of clues. |
| 01:35.29 | wireddd | {Nathan}: restart kdm and see if it is gone |
| 01:35.48 | {Nathan} | mmk, I need to restart and upgrade kernel anyway |
| 01:36.07 | wireddd | you are probably going to have to rebuild the nvidia module too |
| 01:36.21 | {Nathan} | yeah, I know |
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| 01:38.53 | GhostlyDeath | There any text to speech programs? |
| 01:38.54 | karihre | hi, I need a shell program that I can execute like $ program filename 10 20 which would return lines 10 to 20 in "filename" |
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| 01:39.33 | abrotman | karihre: head/tail ? |
| 01:39.47 | f1sh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5938 >.< |
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| 01:40.26 | karihre | abrotman: hmm yes that would propably do |
| 01:40.32 | karihre | abrotman: didn't even think of it |
| 01:40.38 | karihre | abrotman: thanks! |
| 01:41.17 | joshuo | is 'etch' released? |
| 01:41.40 | Wyzard | no, not yet |
| 01:41.47 | joshuo | when? |
| 01:42.04 | Wyzard | !tell joshuo about wir |
| 01:42.05 | wireddd | some googleing seems to suggest that {Nathan}'s problem might be resolved by checking "Enable Keyboard Layouts" in kde control center -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout -> layout |
| 01:42.14 | joshuo | and what will that mean to a user? |
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| 01:42.41 | Wyzard | According to http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ there are 61 RC bugs currently |
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| 01:42.54 | dingus9 | any one know what package provides shutdown and power commands? |
| 01:42.55 | Wyzard | Guessing based on the slop of the line, that should hit zero in a month or two |
| 01:42.57 | Wyzard | *slope |
| 01:43.05 | {Nathan} | It's working now, wireddd & bzed |
| 01:43.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell dingus9 -about pdo |
| 01:43.24 | wireddd | {Nathan}: good |
| 01:43.27 | elodeon | what's the zsync file for ? |
| 01:43.27 | Wyzard | dingus9: /sbin/shutdown is in sysvinit |
| 01:43.38 | bzed | {Nathan}: fine :) |
| 01:43.44 | joshuo | what are the benefits for users when 'etch' released? |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 01:44.01 | Cha0t|c | anyone know where i can get a windows XP ISO image |
| 01:44.01 | elodeon | they got a new release of debian ? |
| 01:44.16 | Wyzard | newer kernel with better hardware support (especially SATA stuff) and newer apps |
| 01:44.17 | Ronin | elodeon: nope |
| 01:44.17 | Cha0t|c | i've got like 10 computers with no O/S but XP professional license codes |
| 01:44.19 | elodeon | cha0t|c: bill gates' pockets |
| 01:44.23 | Azar | elodeon: the current testing is going to become stable in few days/weeks |
| 01:44.23 | Cha0t|c | hahah |
| 01:44.28 | Cha0t|c | umm btw sorry |
| 01:44.30 | mfrisch | Cha0t|c: best buy |
| 01:44.32 | Ronin | Azar: *chuckle* |
| 01:44.34 | Cha0t|c | wrong damn channel |
| 01:44.35 | elodeon | what's the zsync file for ? |
| 01:44.43 | Cha0t|c | ;) |
| 01:44.46 | Azar | hi mister Ronin! :) |
| 01:44.48 | Guerin | elodeon: googling |
| 01:44.54 | joshuo | why is it that free software does not seem to catch on? |
| 01:44.56 | elodeon | right. |
| 01:44.56 | elodeon | thanks |
| 01:45.01 | dingus9 | Wyzard: thanks must have removed that one during the dist upgrade I just did:) |
| 01:45.12 | Azar | joshuo: define catch on |
| 01:45.15 | elodeon | because it exploits the youngest and brightest |
| 01:45.18 | {Nathan} | joshuo: stupid people that think all free software has spyware and viruses |
| 01:45.29 | elodeon | oh not all, just most of it |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | joshuo: it does catch on. |
| 01:45.41 | Ronin | joshuo: pardon? |
| 01:45.44 | joshuo | Azar: accepted like Windows. |
| 01:45.45 | Guerin | you don't take over a monopoly in a day |
| 01:45.46 | DocPlatypus | {Nathan}: with free software, you can remove the spyware and malware |
| 01:45.51 | Azar | monsenior Guerin!!! :) |
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| 01:45.52 | Wyzard | dingus9: sysvinit also contains /sbin/init, which your system can't boot without |
| 01:45.55 | DocPlatypus | with non-free software, you are at the mercy of the developers |
| 01:45.58 | Ronin | joshuo: it is and thats not necessarilya good thing at the same time |
| 01:46.05 | Azar | joshuo: people are hooked on icons that why |
| 01:46.06 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: the distinction is between perception and reality |
| 01:46.18 | elodeon | free software doesn't catch on because Gates has been globe trotting pushing his Windows at poor governments |
| 01:46.19 | joshuo | look at how well Vista is selling. can't free software be that popular? |
| 01:46.25 | elodeon | and because Stallman is not cool enough |
| 01:46.31 | elodeon | that's why |
| 01:46.31 | Azar | if Icons would be treated like drugs (illegal ones) ... |
| 01:46.34 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: users need to be educated, that I will not argue |
| 01:46.42 | Guerin | joshuo: it can, and in some areas it is. |
| 01:46.43 | elodeon | Vista , if you wipe your nose with it, you might catch a virus |
| 01:46.46 | elodeon | or worms |
| 01:47.01 | Guerin | but it's all relevant |
| 01:47.01 | messiah | I have a problem with the iptables log someone can help me please |
| 01:47.02 | Wyzard | joshuo: Vista is selling well because it's preinstalled on nearly all desktop computers |
| 01:47.07 | Guerin | err, irrelevant |
| 01:47.08 | elodeon | it's all relative |
| 01:47.10 | Wyzard | joshuo: Very few computers have Linux preinstalled |
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| 01:47.36 | elodeon | yeah damn those amigas with their monopolistic pre-installed amiga operating systems |
| 01:47.37 | joshuo | came across this cool website about free and open softwares at wlaoye.no-ip.biz. |
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| 01:47.53 | Guerin | the fact is that these things are all at the mercy of the market, and as Eben Moglen explains, free software has the laws of economics on its side |
| 01:48.00 | elodeon | when it comes to free open software , stick with the dot org's |
| 01:48.03 | Guerin | it's only a matter of time, no need to wrong hands and fret |
| 01:48.10 | elodeon | look ma no hands |
| 01:48.13 | wireddd | messiah: what exactly do you want to log? |
| 01:48.18 | Guerin | s/wrong/wring/ |
| 01:48.21 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 01:48.22 | joshuo | Wyzard: the q is why vendors prefer to preinstall Windows rather than free software. |
| 01:48.33 | Guerin | joshuo: answer: because they get paid to do so. |
| 01:48.36 | Azar | are we getting logged? hold on, gotta get my hat |
| 01:48.41 | elodeon | vendors get pushed around by microsoft |
| 01:48.42 | messiah | look I need to store any data of iptables, becouse I am testing a log analizer and I need a log of iptables to test it |
| 01:48.47 | elodeon | and hardware manufacturers |
| 01:48.51 | elodeon | it's business |
| 01:48.53 | jetscreamer | so somebody explain to me why, after every etch install, after a reboot or two, having allow-hotplug eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces borks out the internet connection, but auto eth0 (the old way) fixes it. |
| 01:48.55 | joshuo | Guerin: wrong, they have to pay to do so. |
| 01:48.59 | karsten | messiah: Then enable logging. |
| 01:49.04 | elodeon | MS closes business deals with pc-compats |
| 01:49.09 | elodeon | FS doesn't |
| 01:49.11 | messiah | how? karsten |
| 01:49.22 | Azar | jetscreamer: hotplug? wasn't it kicked by udev? |
| 01:49.25 | karsten | messiah: Write logging rules for your firewall. |
| 01:49.29 | Wyzard | joshuo: because Microsoft gives them financial incentives to do so -- like steep discounts on Windows licenses if they agree to not ship any other OS besides Windows |
| 01:49.33 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: don't know but it happened to me too |
| 01:49.36 | joshuo | Guerin: if what you say is true, than Windows is more advanced in concept than free software. |
| 01:49.37 | jetscreamer | Azar: less /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:49.40 | messiah | yes I do it, but I don't know where store it now |
| 01:49.42 | karsten | messiah: Don't ask me for the syntax. However, syslog will then log it. |
| 01:49.44 | elodeon | dell is FORCED to keep a certain percentage of its PCs preloaded with Windows. |
| 01:49.54 | Guerin | joshuo: depends how you look at it. OEM resellers get many subsidies and kickbacks if they bundle windows. If they choose not to, they lose some of those kickbacks and subsidies. This often makes bundling `free' windows with every PC a cash-positive exercise for them. |
| 01:49.55 | karsten | joshuo: This is OT for debian, troll elsewhere. |
| 01:49.56 | elodeon | otherwise, Windows will No longer supply Dell with windows |
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| 01:50.01 | Azar | jetscreamer: uh I read the release notes for upgrades and I understood that hotplug will have to go bye bye |
| 01:50.04 | messiah | becouse I see the messages but there don't have it or have a lot of info |
| 01:50.10 | Guerin | joshuo: no, it's just backed by a monopoly with zero marginal cost. |
| 01:50.18 | Ronin | karsten: doesnt feel like trolling but im not in the right mind lately so what do i know |
| 01:50.21 | karsten | messiah: Alternatively you can run a packet dumper. |
| 01:50.33 | Guerin | definitely trolling, but seems like earnest trolling ;) |
| 01:50.38 | elodeon | zsync files for the NETINST image are for what ????? |
| 01:50.54 | jetscreamer | i asked that yesterday elodeon but nobody told me |
| 01:50.54 | messiah | dumper what is that? |
| 01:50.54 | karsten | joshuo: If you'd like help installing Debian or have specific config questions, ask them. |
| 01:51.07 | karsten | messiah: tcpdump, wireshark. |
| 01:51.11 | elodeon | karsten: zsync files for the NETINST image are for what ????? |
| 01:51.16 | karsten | elodeon: FNC. |
| 01:51.16 | bzed | elodeon: uh, du you have a link? |
| 01:51.25 | elodeon | bzed: sure |
| 01:51.26 | karsten | elodeon: erm, NFC. |
| 01:51.29 | Ronin | Azar: i always have at least 2 kegs of the finest home made beer on tap |
| 01:51.36 | elodeon | Network File Cwhat ? |
| 01:51.37 | vincent_ | how close is mepis to debian |
| 01:51.38 | joshuo | karsten: look at the big picture. all your work will be for nothing if free software does not catch on. |
| 01:51.45 | Azar | :) Ronin so this weekend is THE day, right? |
| 01:51.49 | elodeon | bzed: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:51.50 | bzed | elodeon: no fucking clue :P |
| 01:51.52 | Guerin | joshuo: such bullshit. |
| 01:51.53 | Ronin | Azar: define the day |
| 01:51.56 | Ronin | joshuo: bull |
| 01:52.01 | messiah | I have to setup in syslog to store the info of iptables? |
| 01:52.06 | elodeon | :) |
| 01:52.06 | joshuo | karsten: why change your name? |
| 01:52.10 | Azar | Ronin: the day as in the birth day |
| 01:52.18 | karsten | joshuo: It's doing sufficiently well for me today, I see no reason that this will change significantly in the future. |
| 01:52.18 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:52.20 | Ronin | Azar: ahh nope thats in august |
| 01:52.20 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 01:52.21 | Wyzard | joshuo: Free software is already used by millions of people, especially on essential Internet servers |
| 01:52.25 | f1sh | thx for the tips bzed |
| 01:52.35 | Azar | aww.. August ok too |
| 01:52.41 | joshuo | Bull, bullshit, that's all you guys can say? come on, show me your intellect. |
| 01:52.47 | Ronin | joshuo: i work for a govt all our misson critical shite is on free software |
| 01:52.51 | karsten | !ops joshuo troll |
| 01:52.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: joshuo troll |
| 01:53.04 | Wyzard | joshuo: It doesn't have to be the dominant desktop OS to be successful |
| 01:53.20 | mfrisch | Ronin: they don't reboot the shuttle when it gets a bug? |
| 01:53.21 | Azar | joshuo: this is not a "discuss" forum for whatever topics so sober up |
| 01:53.22 | wireddd | messiah: you need to read up on iptables |
| 01:53.24 | dondelelcaro | joshuo: do you actually have a Debian releated question to ask? |
| 01:53.25 | Ronin | mfrisch: heh |
| 01:53.25 | elodeon | my ideal workspace would include various architectures and platforms |
| 01:53.28 | karsten | joshuo: /msg dpkg why debian if you'd like some reasons why Deibna succeeds. |
| 01:53.37 | elodeon | and I think that the ideal workspace should include various architectures and platforms |
| 01:53.40 | karsten | erm. Whatever. |
| 01:53.45 | messiah | oki |
| 01:53.46 | messiah | thanks |
| 01:53.50 | joshuo | Ronin: which govt service, and what softwares are used for which critical missions? |
| 01:54.05 | elodeon | Bush uses AOL |
| 01:54.08 | elodeon | :)) |
| 01:54.11 | Guerin | joshuo: the point is that this isn't the proper forum for this discussion, so one-word answers are all that's on-topic |
| 01:54.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:54.45 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@bb219-74-30-240.singnet.com.sg] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:54.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:54.53 | elodeon | i was just guessing , kidding |
| 01:54.54 | karsten | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 01:54.54 | dondelelcaro | joshuo: there are appropriate fora for discussing general linux advocacy, and this is not one of them. Try ##linux or your local LUG. |
| 01:55.04 | bzed | !tell elodeon about zsync |
| 01:55.04 | elodeon | lol @ fora |
| 01:55.09 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Someday I'm going to make you drink all those #debian beers at one sitting. |
| 01:55.10 | Ronin | heh |
| 01:55.11 | bzed | !tell karsten about zsync |
| 01:55.13 | elodeon | fora right here on the floora |
| 01:55.16 | Ronin | karsten: ill help him |
| 01:55.29 | Guerin | elodeon: foruxen! |
| 01:55.33 | elodeon | it's real angora |
| 01:55.34 | Ronin | hell ill try to brew them too |
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| 01:55.41 | mfrisch | karsten: vahala style. |
| 01:55.41 | elodeon | lol |
| 01:55.42 | bzed | karsten: may I join that beer trinking day? I wanna help dondelelcaro :P |
| 01:55.43 | karsten | bzed: So zsync uses http transport, analagous to rsync? |
| 01:55.48 | karsten | mfrisch: ?? |
| 01:55.49 | bzed | karsten: s/t/d/ |
| 01:56.01 | bzed | karsten: apt-cache show zsync :P |
| 01:56.17 | elodeon | thanks bzed |
| 01:56.19 | karsten | bzed: Took me a sec to realize whose typso you were corretcing. |
| 01:56.35 | elodeon | so what software uses it ? |
| 01:56.55 | bzed | elodeon: zsync |
| 01:57.02 | elodeon | oh |
| 01:57.35 | elodeon | zeta encoding |
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| 01:57.39 | elodeon | ok |
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| 02:00.16 | Saz|Laptop | so is etch still WIR? |
| 02:00.30 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 02:00.31 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 02:01.15 | Saz|Laptop | so dpkg tells me but i dont expect the dpkg bot to be the be all end all source for Debian knowlege |
| 02:01.20 | Saz|Laptop | or maybe it is |
| 02:01.27 | bzed | !wir |
| 02:01.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 02:01.46 | bzed | !wwer |
| 02:01.46 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 02:01.53 | Saz|Laptop | yes i know :P |
| 02:02.10 | bzed | Saz|Laptop: I think we all hope that it'll be in april |
| 02:02.18 | Saz|Laptop | indeed |
| 02:02.24 | Saz|Laptop | i was forced to use it on my server |
| 02:02.48 | Ronin | forced to? |
| 02:02.51 | Saz|Laptop | yeah |
| 02:03.01 | Saz|Laptop | because i found out that my hosts set up my sources.list with some unstable mirrors |
| 02:03.10 | Saz|Laptop | outdated ones, but still unstable |
| 02:03.22 | bzed | Saz|Laptop: replace them by etch and be happy :) |
| 02:03.30 | Saz|Laptop | that's what I kinda did |
| 02:03.40 | Saz|Laptop | i changed all my mirrors to the official debian etch mirrors |
| 02:03.47 | Saz|Laptop | and upgraded what wasnt unstable |
| 02:03.56 | Ronin | Saz|Laptop: ya that may not work out so well for you |
| 02:04.01 | Saz|Laptop | so im basically etch with a pinch of sid |
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| 02:04.06 | Saz|Laptop | havent noticed any problems yet |
| 02:04.12 | Saz|Laptop | it's been a month so far |
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| 02:04.54 | Wyzard | Saz|Laptop: You may have packages from unstable that are newer than the versions in etch, though |
| 02:05.02 | Saz|Laptop | right |
| 02:05.05 | Wyzard | so just be aware that even when etch is released, you won't quite be running pure etch |
| 02:05.06 | bzed | Saz|Laptop: as far as I remember you can use apt pinning to downgrade all packages which are newer then etch. not sure though |
| 02:05.22 | Saz|Laptop | like I said |
| 02:05.23 | Wyzard | downgrades aren't supported though |
| 02:05.28 | Saz|Laptop | it's etch with a pinch of sid |
| 02:05.45 | bzed | Wyzard: usually not a big problem to downgrade form unstable to testing when testing is frozen since months |
| 02:06.08 | Saz|Laptop | eventually I'll check with aptitude which packages are from unstable |
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| 02:06.19 | ShockSMX | anyone have an opinion on 1-based arrays? i think they're fucking annoying |
| 02:06.32 | Saz|Laptop | but most of my web services are either compiled directly from the source, orn from etch |
| 02:06.38 | karsten | ShockSMX: 1 |
| 02:06.49 | ShockSMX | that's not an opinion, that's a tinyint |
| 02:07.00 | bzed | ShockSMX: [] |
| 02:07.05 | ShockSMX | MUCH BETTER |
| 02:07.21 | karsten | ShockSMX: http://www.bash.org/?10958 |
| 02:07.28 | ShockSMX | karihre: yeah, i'm familiar |
| 02:07.32 | Saz|Laptop | actually, i think i only got mysql from etch |
| 02:07.47 | Saz|Laptop | apache, php, everything else web-based is from the source |
| 02:07.48 | karsten | ShockSMX: So, can I get your opionion on buggy tab-completion? |
| 02:08.03 | ShockSMX | karsten: 1 |
| 02:08.12 | karsten | ShockSMX: Bastard! |
| 02:08.16 | bzed | Saz|Laptop: uh why that? debian's php pacakge has a lot of fixes, I'd use that definitely |
| 02:08.22 | Saz|Laptop | i know |
| 02:08.24 | ShockSMX | seriously, though, why would any newcomer to the language scene decide "in my language, arrays are going to be 1-based" |
| 02:08.25 | bzed | Saz|Laptop: and don;t forget to use suhosin |
| 02:08.29 | Saz|Laptop | but i use directadmin |
| 02:08.34 | Saz|Laptop | and that adds some changes to the source |
| 02:08.35 | karsten | ShockSMX: This is worse than the old joke-by-numbers thing. Knowing jokes by their bash.org IDs. |
| 02:08.38 | Saz|Laptop | so I just stick with that |
| 02:08.41 | Azar | it seems like Buxy is having a hard time his name not being properly recognized by ascii standards? |
| 02:08.57 | bzed | Saz|Laptop: I'd still try to get the suhosin patch into php |
| 02:09.07 | Saz|Laptop | i'll look into it |
| 02:09.10 | ShockSMX | karsten: i generally don't know their id's, but i look them up as needed and email them out to my coworkers to follow up on conversations i just had |
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| 02:09.16 | Saz|Laptop | i just need to see what changes directadmin makes to php's source |
| 02:09.22 | Saz|Laptop | i think it's mostly paths |
| 02:09.29 | Saz|Laptop | if anything it doesnt modify php, just apache |
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| 02:09.54 | Saz|Laptop | because i think it still uses httpd.conf to make domains, and not the sites-enabled directory |
| 02:09.58 | Saz|Laptop | which is pretty dumb |
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| 02:12.02 | bzed | Azar: I guess he has less problems with that than the DDs who don't manage to get their votes signed and encrypted :P |
| 02:12.03 | Azar | they should use diebold voting machines |
| 02:12.03 | karsten | http://www.sage.org/lists/sage-members-archive/1999/msg00794.html |
| 02:12.07 | karsten | Actually, better: http://imamba.com/werd/?page_id=105 |
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| 02:13.53 | Azar | nice one, karsten |
| 02:14.20 | Azar | I love beastwars character names, hi Decepticon |
| 02:14.36 | Decepticon | beastwars? |
| 02:14.37 | karsten | Azar: Yea, $BOSS likes pictures. |
| 02:14.58 | karsten | Azar: And we're heterogenous here, sar crosses Linux and other unices. |
| 02:15.04 | Azar | beastwars transformers, Decepticon |
| 02:15.08 | Decepticon | :o |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | beastwars? character? |
| 02:15.14 | elefth | does anyone happen to have a linux-image later than 2.6.18 built for Etch? |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | hits |
| 02:15.30 | Ronin | heh |
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| 02:15.55 | Azar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Wars |
| 02:16.19 | Azar | hey my favorite, I got all collection |
| 02:16.25 | elefth | this is the reason I am asking: http://www.archivesat.com/Debian_kernel/thread2361539.htm |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | Azar: do you know about Transformers ? |
| 02:17.33 | Azar | abrotman: I watched all episodes on DVD |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | of what? |
| 02:17.53 | Azar | Beast Wars |
| 02:17.53 | mfrisch | abrotman: that proves hes a noob |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | Azar: so .. you're well aware that Beast Wars .. sucks .. really bad ? |
| 02:18.16 | Azar | maximals and predacons |
| 02:18.30 | Azar | it does? |
| 02:18.37 | Azar | nobody told me until now |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | do you know who Bumblebee is ? |
| 02:18.55 | Azar | predacon |
| 02:19.07 | CompWizrd | ... |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:19.12 | CompWizrd | do you know who the original bumblebee was? |
| 02:19.29 | crapulus | it was ok, the graphics were cool .. for '96 |
| 02:19.33 | Azar | no |
| 02:19.35 | Azar | who? |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee_(Transformers) |
| 02:19.51 | crapulus | basically an ad though |
| 02:19.53 | bzed | elefth: I have one for amd64 if that's of any use for you |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | Azar: do you know what Autobots are ? |
| 02:20.10 | CompWizrd | http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0411/bumblebee.jpg |
| 02:20.25 | CompWizrd | http://www.bwtf.com/classics/bumblebee/rmboth.jpg what the hell is the thing on the right? |
| 02:20.48 | elefth | bzed, well, I think I'll switch to the amd64 port (intel core duo 2 here) so yes, please |
| 02:21.12 | Azar | ewww not _that_ transformers |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | CompWizrd: see the wikipedia article .. it has the same figure |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | Azar: ew? |
| 02:21.46 | bzed | elefth: I'll probably build one for c2d, too - probably ask me in a comment, if I have time to do so I'll do it tomorrow http://bzed.de/blog/2.6.20.4_for_debian_etch |
| 02:21.59 | Azar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Wars#Characters |
| 02:22.16 | elefth | bzed, thank you |
| 02:22.18 | bzed | elefth: I mean - an i386 kernel for c2d |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | beastwars is crap |
| 02:22.27 | elefth | bzed, sure :-) |
| 02:23.25 | Azar | :( I like it |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | saying beastwars is better than transformers is like saying power rangers are better than voltron .. jeez! |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:25.04 | Azar | I liked the story, and the animation |
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| 02:26.05 | bzed | n8n8 :) |
| 02:27.20 | Azar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cheetordinobotrattrap.jpg ...and runs |
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| 02:29.17 | Azar | unfortunately the heavy commercialization of the characters poisoned the actual movie |
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| 02:29.34 | abrotman | which movie ... |
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| 02:29.53 | Azar | well the animated movie there |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | which movie ... |
| 02:30.35 | chowmeined | how is SELinux support going in debian? |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | the maintainers seem active .. and seem to know their stuff |
| 02:31.53 | Guerin | chowmeined: been in debian kernels for ages now |
| 02:32.02 | Guerin | chowmeined: just not switched on by default |
| 02:32.06 | chowmeined | selinux kernel support is the easy part :P |
| 02:32.10 | Azar | hello mister \amethyst |
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| 02:32.56 | abrotman | chowmeined: then what specifically do you want to know ? |
| 02:33.29 | chowmeined | I was just wondering how stable it is? Should I expect a lot of things to not work? .. and I just wanted to hear some people's experiences with it to see if I could do it on a production system |
| 02:33.29 | Wyzard | chowmeined: apt-cache show selinux-basics |
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| 02:33.57 | Wyzard | Before you put it on a production system you should test it yourself |
| 02:34.05 | Wyzard | in your specific environment |
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| 02:34.52 | chowmeined | ok |
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| 02:41.35 | kexman | hi |
| 02:41.41 | kexman | is there anyone using NFSv4 ? |
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| 02:49.08 | Azar | honorable Wyzard, unbelievable how the time goes... only 2years ago you were showing me how to cope with nvidia blues on woody |
| 02:49.51 | Wyzard | hehe, yep |
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| 02:50.37 | Azar | I hope we can keep in touch for the next nvidia hardships on etch.. |
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| 02:50.54 | Wyzard | It shouldn't be any different in etch than you're used to already |
| 02:51.12 | Azar | Wyzard: what, we got an etch one-liner? |
| 02:51.25 | Wyzard | post-etch will have the 9746 driver (it's in experimental now) that supports compiz/beryl |
| 02:51.29 | Wyzard | and I'm sure that'll be backported for etch |
| 02:51.42 | Azar | tehee!!! |
| 02:51.56 | Azar | now is called comryl or beriz.. |
| 02:52.02 | Azar | they merged |
| 02:52.19 | Wyzard | (It's already quite usable -- I've been using it for months -- it's just in experimental to avoid interfering with the etch release) |
| 02:52.21 | Azar | abrotman: still snowing? |
| 02:52.22 | Wyzard | yeah, I heard about that |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | Azar: no |
| 02:53.04 | Wyzard | I'm mostly interested in compositing in GNOME... whether compiz will become the official replacement for metacity, or whether they'll put compositing stuff into metacity |
| 02:53.41 | Azar | hmmm I will try gnome with the new etch installation.... see what the excitement is all about |
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| 02:57.41 | Wyzard | Well, etch's GNOME is two versions behind now |
| 02:57.50 | Wyzard | 2.14 whereas 2.18 is out |
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| 02:58.15 | abrotman | it's partially 2.16 |
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| 02:58.24 | Guerin | and .18 is only just out |
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| 03:39.34 | kexman | crazy_penguin, same here |
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| 03:43.43 | psbase | can anyone help? I try to execute http://todofixme.com/jboss which is located in /etc/init.d/. I keep getting ": bad interpreter: No such file or directory". I specified /bin/sh to interpret the file though. I don't know what to do anymore |
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| 03:44.46 | Guerin | psbase: how do you execute a url? |
| 03:45.13 | psbase | I just put the file online for you guys ;) the file is called jboss and is normaly located in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 03:45.20 | Guerin | oh |
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| 03:46.37 | Guerin | psbase: funky. looks like it should work. You do have /bin/sh, right? |
| 03:46.58 | psbase | yeah totally. I executed tons of sh scripts already. |
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| 03:47.15 | Guerin | is the script executable? |
| 03:47.19 | psbase | yes |
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| 03:47.27 | Azar | jboss is about sound, right? |
| 03:47.36 | Guerin | Azar: no. |
| 03:47.47 | psbase | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1513 Apr 3 05:36 /etc/init.d/jboss |
| 03:47.48 | Guerin | it's a java app server doodad |
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| 03:48.01 | Azar | ah.. |
| 03:48.07 | Guerin | psbase: sh /etc/init.d/jboss; work? |
| 03:48.42 | psbase | http://pastebin.ca/421932 |
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| 03:49.25 | Guerin | ok, so it does work |
| 03:49.50 | psbase | I created the file with windows and got it to my debian box with winscp. is it possible the file format is wrong or something? |
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| 03:50.06 | Guerin | psbase: ah |
| 03:50.14 | Guerin | yeah, it might have some broken newlines |
| 03:50.22 | psbase | what is the solution? |
| 03:50.32 | psbase | I don't want to type it again |
| 03:50.36 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 03:50.37 | dpkg | [sed cheats] see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
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| 03:50.44 | Guerin | psbase: there's a fix on that page |
| 03:50.47 | Guerin | ↑ |
| 03:50.49 | sword | psbase: dos2unix? |
| 03:50.58 | Guerin | mm, or that |
| 03:51.50 | psbase | cannot find dos2unix in apt-cache |
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| 03:52.10 | pickcoder | it's part of the sysutils if I'm not mistaken |
| 03:52.11 | Guerin | it's a script, not a package |
| 03:53.18 | psbase | bravo guys =) dos2unix did the trick |
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| 03:53.46 | sword | pickcoder: tofrodos |
| 03:53.55 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 03:56.12 | daeos | hey guys and gals, anyone ever tried to setup kismet before? im kinda lost as to what is needed in the config file at the part of source=none,none,addme |
| 03:56.30 | psbase | How can I run a command as jboss user? |
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| 03:57.09 | paulproteus | Some process on my system is connecting to my public IP on port 25 and sending out spam. |
| 03:57.28 | paulproteus | I've set my Postfix rules so that it will not accept mail from the public IP (only localhost), but I want to know which process is doing the sending. |
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| 03:57.34 | paulproteus | How can I find out what PID is responsible? |
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| 03:58.04 | paulproteus | I've tried a few things, but they only point me back at postfix: |
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| 03:59.58 | Guerin | paulproteus: give up |
| 04:00.22 | Guerin | paulproteus: take the box offline and run some diagnostic tools from known-clean media |
| 04:00.35 | paulproteus | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5939 has the lsof and netstat commands I've tried |
| 04:00.44 | Guerin | paulproteus: a spammer won't use your own MTA, and will install modified tools which will prevent you from seeing its own actions |
| 04:00.51 | Guerin | they're meaningless |
| 04:01.09 | Guerin | ignore any output from the running OS |
| 04:01.11 | Guerin | it's lies |
| 04:01.20 | paulproteus | Guerin, But the spammer *is* using my MTA. I have no reason to think it's r00ted. |
| 04:01.31 | paulproteus | I think it's just some misconfigured PHP or CGI script. |
| 04:01.36 | pickcoder | paulproteus: do you have a mail form on apache? |
| 04:01.37 | paulproteus | But I'd like some verification of that if possible. |
| 04:01.39 | Guerin | bah, fuck |
| 04:01.47 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Problem is, it hosts a lot of web stuff. )-: |
| 04:01.50 | Guerin | paulproteus: take it offline, first thing first |
| 04:01.59 | paulproteus | Guerin, I took SMTP offline, at least. |
| 04:02.04 | pickcoder | if the web forms redisplay any of the fields, the fields must be sanitized |
| 04:02.18 | daeos | hey guys and gals, anyone ever tried to setup kismet before? im kinda lost as to what is needed in the config file at the part of source=none,none,addme |
| 04:02.22 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Yes, I understand that. It runs a lot of third-party things, like WordPress and so forth. |
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| 04:02.24 | pickcoder | that happened to me not too long ago |
| 04:02.28 | Guerin | paulproteus: so you want to know what pid is calling the sendmail binary? |
| 04:02.30 | Guerin | or whate |
| 04:02.46 | Guerin | daeos: it's notoriously crap |
| 04:02.47 | paulproteus | Guerin, I want to know what PID initiated the connection to {MY_IP}:25. |
| 04:03.04 | daeos | Guerin: what utility would you suggest then |
| 04:03.19 | paulproteus | Guerin, Here's what I've tried: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5939 |
| 04:03.20 | pickcoder | paulproteus: if a piggy-back script is sending it, then you won't see a PID |
| 04:03.22 | Guerin | daeos: oh, it works, it's just that config thing which is amazingly craply documented |
| 04:03.38 | daeos | Guerin: i agree on the craply documented part |
| 04:03.39 | pickcoder | look in your apache logs for extremely long query strings |
| 04:03.48 | paulproteus | pickcoder, The PID would at least be Apache. |
| 04:03.56 | pickcoder | paulproteus: not necc.. |
| 04:04.03 | Guerin | paulproteus: huh, one minue you're saying it's a broken script, now you're saying it's a stock open relay |
| 04:04.14 | paulproteus | Guerin, It's not an open relay. |
| 04:04.15 | ctcp_death | does debian have any official life span for a project? |
| 04:04.22 | Guerin | paulproteus: if it's coming in from outside, then it's an open relay. |
| 04:04.22 | paulproteus | The src and dst of the TCP connection are both my public IP. |
| 04:04.22 | ctcp_death | err for a release? |
| 04:04.26 | daeos | Guerin: and forums are good at telling you about examples, but not sure what to set in my case as im using a Negear WG111 card.... i assume i should use madwifi for the first setting but not the next 3 settings |
| 04:05.05 | daeos | err, 2 |
| 04:05.13 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Hmm, under what circumstance would I not be able to find a PID? |
| 04:05.27 | paulproteus | Guerin, Does that clarification clear up what I was saying? Sorry if I was unclear earlier. |
| 04:05.35 | pickcoder | paulproteus: when your e-mail response is sent, the spam piggy-backs on the command line |
| 04:05.42 | pickcoder | your normal mail sends out spam too |
| 04:05.46 | ctcp_death | or do we just wait until x number of releases have come and gone before putting one to rest. |
| 04:06.05 | pickcoder | it's very hard to identify |
| 04:06.10 | paulproteus | pickcoder, I don't understand - do you mean /usr/sbin/sendmail is being used? (It's not - they're TCP connections.) |
| 04:06.12 | Azar | ctcp_death: no |
| 04:06.12 | pickcoder | unless you review your web logs |
| 04:06.26 | pickcoder | paulproteus: I don't know.. do you have scripts that use mail or sendmail? |
| 04:06.30 | paulproteus | pickcoder, The confusing thing is I'm looking at them and I don't see anything abnormal. |
| 04:06.35 | Azar | ctcp_death: there is and hopefully will not be a rigid schedule on Debian |
| 04:06.35 | pickcoder | I'm giving a suggestion to review |
| 04:06.39 | Guerin | paulproteus: yeah, that's funky. |
| 04:06.56 | paulproteus | Guerin, Hence I'd like to know the PID of the thing that's doing the connections. |
| 04:07.08 | pickcoder | paulproteus: are you running postfix? |
| 04:07.11 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Yup! |
| 04:07.19 | pickcoder | set -vvvv in master.cf for smaptd |
| 04:07.20 | pickcoder | smtpd |
| 04:07.26 | pickcoder | restart postfix |
| 04:07.31 | paulproteus | Okay, here goes! |
| 04:07.36 | Guerin | mm, that should do it |
| 04:07.42 | daeos | pickcoder: ever used kismet before? |
| 04:07.46 | pickcoder | daeos: no |
| 04:08.00 | Azar | daeos: what is kismet? |
| 04:08.12 | daeos | a WLAN scanner |
| 04:08.19 | ctcp_death | Azar: actually i just found this: The Debian security team is able to support up to two distributions at the same time for about one year ... After this period security support for the old stable distribution is discontinued and the distribution itself is archived on the dedicated archive host. |
| 04:08.20 | Azar | oh thanks |
| 04:08.20 | Guerin | daeos: madwifi,eth1,madwifi or something |
| 04:08.21 | daeos | for wireless |
| 04:08.34 | daeos | eth1 and not ... what is it.... |
| 04:08.39 | daeos | hmm let me go look again |
| 04:08.44 | Guerin | i'm guessing since I don't have a madwifi card |
| 04:08.59 | daeos | well, madwifi is just a tool set |
| 04:09.05 | daeos | i have a wg111 card |
| 04:09.08 | Azar | ctcp_death: it usually happens when the "testing" distribution reaches maturity and is half its way to the release |
| 04:09.12 | daeos | pos honestly |
| 04:09.18 | Guerin | yes, but istr it being a driver type which you have to tell kismet about, too |
| 04:09.22 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Guerin, http://pastebin.ca/421946 - but no PID |
| 04:09.29 | Azar | ctcp_death: but this deals with security support only |
| 04:09.58 | Guerin | paulproteus: monitor netstat for connections on that port |
| 04:10.18 | Guerin | paulproteus: or ntop or similar |
| 04:10.19 | Wyzard | There isn't really anything else besides security support once a release is made |
| 04:10.31 | Azar | yep |
| 04:10.44 | Wyzard | Old versions are always available for download, so it's just a question of whether the security fixes are still being made |
| 04:10.56 | Azar | sarge took about 3 years to made it to the light, etch seems to have .. two and half ? |
| 04:11.10 | Guerin | Azar: not yet two |
| 04:11.22 | Wyzard | Sarge was released in June 2005 |
| 04:11.22 | ctcp_death | Azar: it looks like woody was archived about 7 months after secrity support officially ended. So I probably have well over a year before I have to worry about my sarge installs.. |
| 04:11.36 | Azar | Guerin: correct, Sarge came to light in Aug 2005 and we are not yet on Aug 2007 |
| 04:11.37 | Wyzard | so at the current rate it looks like it'll be about 2 years or slightly less |
| 04:11.54 | Guerin | june |
| 04:11.55 | pickcoder | paulproteus: the main thing is that it's not an injection. it's a socket connection, so you can trace it |
| 04:11.56 | Guerin | 19th, iirc |
| 04:11.57 | Wyzard | Azar: June 6 according to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 04:12.02 | Guerin | oh, my bad |
| 04:12.09 | Azar | ah, ok right |
| 04:12.11 | Guerin | i remember now |
| 04:12.12 | paulproteus | pickcoder, That's right, and that's my feeling too. |
| 04:12.12 | Guerin | d-day |
| 04:12.41 | daeos | Guerin: found correct card , it was wlan0 |
| 04:12.54 | Azar | ctcp_death: I guess Sarge will still be kicking on some users systems for about one more year. |
| 04:12.58 | Guerin | daeos: why are you not using debian? |
| 04:13.16 | Azar | When Lenny will learn to go to bathroom on its own, Sarge will be burried I guess |
| 04:13.36 | paulproteus | But Guerin, pickcoder - I've been trying to do that, and netstat doesn't seem to tell me. It may well be because I'm using the wrong arguments. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5939 documents what I've been trying. |
| 04:13.50 | Guerin | paulproteus: -punta should do it |
| 04:13.55 | paulproteus | I can get the line that says "Someone connected to the SMTPd" but I don't see how to get the PID of the process *doing* the connect. |
| 04:13.55 | Azar | paulproteus: did you tried htop? |
| 04:14.06 | paulproteus | I ran ntop but it did something strange... |
| 04:14.10 | paulproteus | I'll see about htop and -punta. |
| 04:14.45 | Azar | paulproteus: do your Debian uses .. hmm what it is the name? popcontest? |
| 04:14.52 | Guerin | popcon |
| 04:14.56 | Azar | yea |
| 04:14.57 | paulproteus | Azar, popcon, sure. |
| 04:15.03 | paulproteus | I think this machine doesn't. |
| 04:15.05 | Guerin | Azar: i don't see how this is relevant to the question at hand |
| 04:15.06 | Azar | maybe that one sends stats |
| 04:15.07 | paulproteus | But my desktop does. |
| 04:15.20 | paulproteus | http://pastebin.ca/421955 - netstat -punta doesn't tell me what I want I think. |
| 04:16.00 | Azar | Guerin: he feels that "something" uses his port 25... so I just threw an opinion |
| 04:16.06 | Guerin | paulproteus: 4322* are the PIDs |
| 04:16.16 | paulproteus | No, I think that's the "remote" port. |
| 04:16.39 | paulproteus | "remote" in quotes because they're both on the local machine, but they're TCP. |
| 04:17.01 | Guerin | no, you're right |
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| 04:18.03 | Azar | I use proshield and I am aware that it scans my system and connects outside... so first thing I think of in such situation is about it |
| 04:18.13 | pickcoder | paulproteus: where are their established connections? |
| 04:18.16 | pickcoder | s/where/why |
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| 04:18.25 | pickcoder | s/their/there |
| 04:18.26 | pickcoder | gah |
| 04:18.41 | paulproteus | pickcoder, I let the SMTP server listen on the public IP but refuse to relay mail for it. |
| 04:18.41 | Azar | do it again pickcoder :) |
| 04:18.44 | paulproteus | So it's harmless. |
| 04:18.54 | paulproteus | The idea is, if I let the connections occur, it should be easier to trace them. |
| 04:19.08 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:19.11 | pickcoder | paulproteus: if you don't block port 25, you'll be able to trace the incoming connections on port 25 |
| 04:19.18 | pickcoder | block outside of your box I mean |
| 04:19.26 | pickcoder | gah |
| 04:19.30 | pickcoder | I need to stop typing |
| 04:19.32 | daeos | ok got past the config part.. just now get this error with kismet FATAL: Unable to find private ioctl 'get_mode' |
| 04:19.33 | Guerin | i can't figure out why netstat isn't showing the connection pid at both ends |
| 04:19.39 | paulproteus | Guerin, Yeah, that's what's confusing me too! |
| 04:19.48 | paulproteus | I'm using Linux vserver, which I hope isn't doing anything totally crazy. |
| 04:19.52 | pickcoder | paulproteus: is your mailq growing? |
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| 04:20.37 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Nope. |
| 04:20.48 | pickcoder | then it's either not coming in any more.. or it's still going out |
| 04:20.54 | paulproteus | pickcoder, I have it set up so that inbound mails get processed, but no relaying is allowed. |
| 04:21.00 | paulproteus | No relaying even from the local machine. |
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| 04:21.12 | paulproteus | Hence I see lots of this in my /var/log/mail.log: |
| 04:21.23 | pickcoder | paulproteus: you can't track one connection when you have a gazillion being logged |
| 04:21.27 | paulproteus | Apr 3 13:20:51 www postfix/smtpd[32328]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from www.freeculture.org[202.221.145.31]: 554 5.7.1 <maminf@yahoo.com>: Relay access denied; from=<klarikalauraine@commercialbar.com> to=<maminf@yahoo.com> proto=SMTP helo=<120EAE0> |
| 04:21.56 | paulproteus | pickcoder, There appear to be only a few connections at once ,and they're all from my public IP - 202.221.145.31, which means they're from the local machine and therefore have a PID. |
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| 04:22.59 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Does that clear up what I mean? |
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| 04:23.07 | Azar | hmm noob here but I do remember when I used to be on woody (X-less) I used to get regular mail notification from my system.. was really annoying |
| 04:23.21 | pickcoder | paulproteus: you obviously can't get a PID so you might as well forget that path |
| 04:23.29 | Dreamlinux | hi.. |
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| 04:23.56 | pickcoder | paulproteus: if you setup a smtp trap on port 25, you may be able to get a PID |
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| 04:24.31 | pickcoder | leaving postfix running isn't going to help you trace mit |
| 04:24.34 | pickcoder | s/mit/it |
| 04:24.57 | pickcoder | unless you plan on running tcpdump |
| 04:25.10 | pickcoder | even then, that probably won't help.. |
| 04:25.23 | pickcoder | you need to hold that connection open somehow |
| 04:25.33 | pickcoder | I think there is a helo delay you can enable |
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| 04:29.00 | pickcoder | nope I don't see one |
| 04:29.00 | pickcoder | I'd just setup a bash script and put it in xinetd on port 25 |
| 04:29.29 | pickcoder | however, you really need to block incoming port 25 |
| 04:29.36 | pickcoder | outside your machine |
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| 04:30.18 | daeos | blocking port 25 would snip it in the bud |
| 04:30.31 | Guerin | along with all other mail services |
| 04:30.44 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Even if I do that, what tool would I use to to find out the PID of the thing connecting to that xinetd bash? |
| 04:30.46 | pickcoder | daeos: not since it's coming from the same interface |
| 04:30.52 | pickcoder | paulproteus: I just told you |
| 04:31.04 | pickcoder | paulproteus: you need to hold that connection open long enough to be able to see it in netstat |
| 04:31.19 | pickcoder | even then there's no promise |
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| 04:31.27 | pickcoder | if the thing is smart it won't hang around an idle connection |
| 04:31.29 | paulproteus | pickcoder, tcp 0 0 202.221.145.31:25 202.221.145.31:44358 ESTABLISHED |
| 04:31.42 | paulproteus | That's the thing - finding the connection while in state ESTABLISHED is easy. |
| 04:31.42 | daeos | Guerin: im about to give up on kismet, know of another utility to use? |
| 04:31.54 | paulproteus | So I don't think your suggestion would change anything. |
| 04:32.25 | pickcoder | ok |
| 04:32.30 | paulproteus | (Yeah, I know, every 10-30 seconds it's a different connection. But I do seem to be able to grab it in netstat, but even then it doesn't show me the PID on the other end.) |
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| 04:32.57 | Guerin | daeos: iwlist -scan |
| 04:33.04 | zu22 | greets, anyone know when etch will be released? it's past due |
| 04:33.22 | peterS | zu22: maybe |
| 04:33.24 | Guerin | zu22: when you stop asking stupid questions |
| 04:33.39 | peterS | we've known for 4 months that it's past due |
| 04:33.47 | pickcoder | !r-c |
| 04:33.50 | zu22 | :( |
| 04:33.50 | pickcoder | !rc |
| 04:33.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 04:33.53 | pickcoder | gah |
| 04:34.06 | zu22 | asking when it will be released is a stupid question? sigh |
| 04:34.13 | pickcoder | zu22: there's still release critical bugs open |
| 04:34.15 | Guerin | zu22: yes, since the answer is always `when it's ready' |
| 04:34.28 | peterS | actually, |
| 04:34.29 | peterS | !topicsmite zu22 |
| 04:34.29 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon zu22. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:34.51 | zu22 | well i didn't know the intricacies of releasing thus i asked, sorry it ruffled so many feathers, lesson learned. |
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| 04:38.56 | s0crates | hi, i was wondering what package i may find keymaps in? |
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| 04:39.50 | paulproteus | zu22, It's a sore topic. )-: |
| 04:39.51 | peterS | s0crates: for the Linux console, or for the X Window System? |
| 04:39.57 | s0crates | x windows system |
| 04:40.06 | pickcoder | paulproteus: if the bug removed it's process tree from /proc/ then it's going be hard to use typical tools to find it |
| 04:40.19 | peterS | s0crates: xkb-data |
| 04:40.42 | zu22 | paulproteus: ah yeah |
| 04:40.45 | peterS | s0crates: ...well, for etch. in sarge I think it was in xlibs-data |
| 04:40.49 | peterS | or soemthing like that |
| 04:40.52 | s0crates | peterS: I installed that package, but my /var/lib/xkb/ is empty |
| 04:41.05 | peterS | s0crates: right, so check /usr/share/X11/xkb |
| 04:41.16 | pickcoder | paulproteus: have you sorted through ps? |
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| 04:43.35 | paulproteus | Gosh darn it, I figured out the issue. |
| 04:43.44 | paulproteus | It has to do with a TCP proxy I was using on the same machine. |
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| 04:43.57 | paulproteus | You'll all be pleased to discover the mystery is solved and I was at fault. |
| 04:44.26 | daeos | Guerin: what program did you say again? my computer locked up after disconnecting my wifi card |
| 04:45.18 | s0crates | does anyone have any advice for aiglx person here not being to get startx to work? |
| 04:45.41 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Guerin, the problem is that another vserver was running a TCP proxy that forwarded different_IP:25 to that_IP:25. |
| 04:45.51 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:45.53 | paulproteus | But the server on that_IP saw the connection as coming from that_IP. |
| 04:46.00 | daeos | Guerin: you there? |
| 04:46.02 | paulproteus | OW! That hurt! |
| 04:46.12 | Guerin | daeos: i didn't say anything |
| 04:46.24 | pickcoder | don't forget to remove the verbose flags from master.cf |
| 04:46.28 | Guerin | pickcoder: graah |
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| 04:46.33 | daeos | Guerin: please look in history and tell me what was said to me |
| 04:46.40 | pickcoder | your mail log will grow nicely if you don't |
| 04:46.41 | daeos | Guerin: someone pointed someting to me |
| 04:46.48 | daeos | Guerin: thought itwas you |
| 04:46.58 | Guerin | daeos: oh |
| 04:46.59 | daeos | Guerin: cause i said i was giving up on Kismet |
| 04:47.02 | Guerin | daeos: iwlist -scan |
| 04:47.05 | daeos | thanks |
| 04:47.13 | daeos | oh and the syntax changed |
| 04:47.20 | DeVilSoulBlacK | http://www.ecualug.org/?q=2007/04/02/forums/vim |
| 04:47.27 | Guerin | you may have to put the card in monitor mode |
| 04:47.36 | daeos | iwlist [interface] command |
| 04:47.38 | Guerin | DeVilSoulBlacK: why do we care? |
| 04:47.49 | Guerin | DeVilSoulBlacK: by the way, your nick makes you seem like a fuckwit |
| 04:47.53 | Guerin | just so you know |
| 04:48.14 | paulproteus | pickcoder, Already done that. |
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| 04:48.22 | paulproteus | zu22, Thanks, I needed that! |
| 04:48.30 | Guerin | mm, halibut |
| 04:48.33 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.34 | Guerin | good eats, those |
| 04:48.38 | zu22 | nod |
| 04:48.48 | zu22 | orange ruffy also very good and my favorite salmon |
| 04:48.50 | zu22 | (drool) |
| 04:49.06 | Guerin | i caught a couple big barracouta the other day |
| 04:49.20 | Guerin | they're good eats, if prepared properly |
| 04:49.22 | zu22 | saw program other day on PBS which said 90% of the world's fish is gone, and right now we consuming the final 10% |
| 04:49.23 | zu22 | scary |
| 04:49.25 | Guerin | and if you watch out for bones |
| 04:49.36 | zu22 | guerin: heavy line tension i bet :D |
| 04:49.41 | Guerin | zu22: yeah, scientists are divided on that |
| 04:49.41 | pickcoder | zu22: and the sky is falling too |
| 04:49.53 | Guerin | zu22: yeh, pretty strong ... one was about 4kg |
| 04:49.59 | zu22 | pickcoder: and the sky is full of greenhouse gases as it falls :P |
| 04:50.05 | zu22 | Guerin: nice |
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| 04:50.08 | pickcoder | we haven't explored 20% of the ocean and they can honestly say that? |
| 04:50.40 | zu22 | pickcoder; this was very respected oceanographers and marine biologists saying this not fruitcakes so i was a bit surprised at the assertion |
| 04:50.49 | Guerin | pickcoder: hence why science is divided. |
| 04:52.15 | dondelelcaro | zu22: who said that? |
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| 04:52.39 | daeos | zu22: reminds me of the term 'global warming' , i bet it was the same people putting out that crap too |
| 04:53.03 | dondelelcaro | there's no doubt that well over 90% of the fish that ever were there were gone, but it's not clear how much the absolute number of living fish have changed |
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| 04:53.48 | paulproteus | zu22, pickcoder, Guerin, Thanks for all your help. (-: |
| 04:54.08 | pickcoder | glad you figured it out |
| 04:54.08 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: much of that is due to a lack of accurate data and irregularities in sampling techniquest |
| 04:54.14 | daeos | dondelelcaro: its the same thing as whats said about how the world is getting warmer and warmer through the decades, and they want the point made that progress has created the issue ever since man was on this planet |
| 04:54.39 | pickcoder | daeos: and that timeline just happens to coincide with the evolution of the planet |
| 04:54.41 | zu22 | daeos: well on the same program they had a Dr. Mayevski who says they have examined ice core samples going back 840,000 years and see no comparable levels of green house gases that we see today. further he says you can see the level of gases ramp up beginning ~150 years ago with the advent of the industrial revolution. geologically that is not a great period of time so as Guerin said science is divided: some effects are likely caused by other pollution which |
| 04:54.51 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hard to say, but possibly |
| 04:55.16 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: forget the names of the scientists who asserted that but it was on the latest episode of "NOVA" on PBS |
| 04:55.18 | daeos | pickcoder: hehe |
| 04:55.38 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 04:55.51 | dondelelcaro | in any event, better to read the actual scientific work and make up your own mind (and then be conservative in what you do); but we're OT for #debian. ;-) |
| 04:56.14 | pickcoder | I wonder if Debian runs on the data centers |
| 04:56.23 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: one of my tutors is doing a PhD on antarctica, and covered this. Part of the issue is that research sampling is essentially random, while commercial sampling is targetted or opportunistic. This is particularly relevant with schooling fish, such as cod. |
| 04:56.26 | dondelelcaro | almost definetly |
| 04:56.33 | zu22 | the ice core sample evidence was rather compelling |
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| 04:56.48 | zu22 | but one could argue the increase in greenhouse gases is seperate from global warming phenomenon i suppose |
| 04:57.15 | pickcoder | well commercial trawling has always been detremental |
| 04:57.17 | Guerin | zu22: this is why I like the precautionary principle :) |
| 04:57.24 | Guerin | pickcoder: that's not true at all |
| 04:57.59 | dondelelcaro | http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/315/5820/1804 <-- interesting read on this topic, btw |
| 04:57.59 | zu22 | Guerin: interesting, yes precaution is circumspect and warranted here methinks |
| 04:57.59 | pickcoder | in every area that I've seen it, uncontrolled, it has cleaned the area of many species |
| 04:58.01 | Guerin | pickcoder: *certain* forms of it are pretty bad. |
| 04:58.15 | Guerin | yes, that's quite different from `always' |
| 04:58.25 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 04:58.27 | zu22 | pickcoder: yeah the big trawlers can process 1 million pounds of fish a day |
| 04:58.40 | zu22 | and 40% of everything they catch they throw back |
| 04:58.43 | pickcoder | only a portion of that is actually used |
| 04:58.47 | zu22 | so that is a lot of "collateral damage" :( |
| 04:58.49 | pickcoder | yeah after it's dead |
| 04:58.54 | Guerin | zu22: all numbers pulled squarely out of someone's arse |
| 04:59.01 | zu22 | Guerin: heh |
| 04:59.09 | Guerin | it varies a great deal between fisheries |
| 04:59.44 | pickcoder | we used to have stergen and horseshoe crabs all over the Pamilco river area |
| 04:59.55 | zu22 | Guerin: and it varies from country to country too in terms of acceptable practices |
| 05:00.02 | pickcoder | after several years of commercial trawling, they all vanished |
| 05:00.02 | Guerin | very widely |
| 05:00.12 | zu22 | the Japanese still are killing dolphins and whales accidentally while claiming they were trying to do "research" |
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| 05:00.29 | Guerin | zu22: actually, as much as you may dislike it, they ARE doing research. |
| 05:00.37 | Guerin | and it's not accidental |
| 05:00.39 | zu22 | Guerin: ah |
| 05:01.02 | Guerin | it's surprisingly hard to accidentally catch an 80-ton beast |
| 05:01.09 | daeos | Guerin: can wlist be used to change what channel the wifi card uses to scan? |
| 05:01.15 | Guerin | (it's the koreans who have whale by-catch) |
| 05:01.21 | daeos | iwlist* |
| 05:01.29 | Guerin | daeos: iut scans everything, by default |
| 05:01.45 | daeos | Guerin: it says it set on channel 1 |
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| 05:02.03 | Guerin | daeos: it may be *set* on channel 1, but when you scan, it scans the whole range. |
| 05:02.07 | daeos | oh |
| 05:02.07 | daeos | i see |
| 05:02.12 | daeos | it found a neighbor :P |
| 05:02.17 | Guerin | that's the point of monitor mode |
| 05:02.19 | daeos | wit heky! |
| 05:02.22 | daeos | ;) |
| 05:02.36 | daeos | eww 0/100 quality |
| 05:02.57 | daeos | oh forget it, thats not sig quality |
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| 05:22.27 | nanotube | even when i updated /etc/mdadm.conf file after reboot my raid partitions are gon??? any idea? |
| 05:23.57 | nanotube | do I need to recreate initrd ? |
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| 05:34.08 | daeos | !dpg wlanctl-ng |
| 05:36.33 | Decepticon | dpkg -l porn |
| 05:36.33 | dpkg | ii porn 2.6-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 05:55.56 | mystic_jade | i'm sorry but what is really the command to mount some image .iso ? |
| 05:56.30 | fengor | mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point |
| 05:56.45 | mystic_jade | thanks you :) |
| 05:57.23 | mystic_jade | wowww mplayer read iso images? and bin images only click in the image ? :\ |
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| 05:58.23 | Hal9000 | how do i generate a public key for my console user? |
| 05:58.42 | mystic_jade | but lets me not this command here to don`t forget him again :) |
| 05:58.59 | fengor | http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#AEN26 |
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| 05:59.56 | fengor | or if it is for ssh use ssh-keygen |
| 06:00.36 | Hal9000 | yeah its for ssh |
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| 06:01.24 | fengor | then jsut use ssh-keygen ;) |
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| 06:02.25 | Hal9000 | yeah trying to find out what switches i need to use :P |
| 06:03.22 | niru | how can I add a patch to a package |
| 06:03.24 | niru | any command |
| 06:03.49 | fengor | what are you exactly trying to do? maybe i can help you better then? |
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| 06:04.50 | fengor | get a sour ce package, unpack, apply patch, build? |
| 06:05.07 | Hal9000 | ssh -t rsa did the trick i think :) |
| 06:05.55 | niru | fengor:thats what how to apply patch |
| 06:06.07 | niru | fengor:I have a patch file and a source |
| 06:06.21 | niru | fengor:how to patch that file to source |
| 06:06.26 | niru | fengor:any |
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| 06:11.03 | fengor | niru: http://www.cpqlinux.com/patch.html |
| 06:12.38 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok im hoping someone can help me with my artswrapper |
| 06:13.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i get this: Can't set real-time scheduling priority. You need to run artswrapper as root or setuid root. This means that you will likely not be able to produce acceptable sound |
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| 06:13.35 | fengor | ? |
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| 06:15.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | which probably explains why everything that runs through arts has contant breaking up |
| 06:15.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and why from time to time my browser will stop outputing audio |
| 06:15.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but i havent the foggiest what to do about it |
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| 06:15.48 | The_Ultimate_Sam | can anyone help? |
| 06:15.49 | xjkx | i use gnome and i hate kdelibs, what graphical software should i use to burn cds? |
| 06:18.33 | The_Ultimate_Sam | anyone? |
| 06:19.02 | fengor | dito ;) |
| 06:19.08 | fengor | sorry wrong window |
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| 06:28.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | gah.... |
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| 06:29.09 | Nemoder | xjkx: I use gnomebaker |
| 06:29.44 | xjkx | :D |
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| 06:33.45 | Gokee2 | I signup up for the debian user list 15 days ago and now I have 2358 msgs |
| 06:34.22 | Gokee2 | signed* |
| 06:34.29 | sep | Gokee2, well therer is a few debian users wolrdwide :) |
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| 06:34.57 | Gokee2 | And yet not one ansered my ? |
| 06:35.00 | Gokee2 | :/ |
| 06:35.28 | bushblows | in debian how can I boot without xsession running? |
| 06:35.29 | dondelelcaro | sometimes they don't know... it happens. |
| 06:35.32 | Gokee2 | Although I stoped looking at each and every msg after about 2-3 days to check... |
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| 06:36.05 | Nemoder | bushblows: if you don't want X on startup then remove xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 06:36.42 | bushblows | no I only need it temporarily |
| 06:36.46 | bushblows | to install xfree8 |
| 06:36.50 | bushblows | xfree86* |
| 06:37.11 | fengor | just hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 06:37.36 | fengor | login and stop X |
| 06:37.58 | phorce1 | How well does the D-I work over a serial console? It's going to be a few days before I start playing with my new toy but I need to know if I should go to the trouble of getting it near a working monitor (it's a Sun e450, getting it "near" anything is a chore <grin>) |
| 06:37.59 | bushblows | just did thank you |
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| 06:39.10 | Nemoder | the installer is all text/ncurses afaik |
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| 06:44.53 | deadcat | need some help getting joomla to work with lighttpd.. anyone have dont it ? |
| 06:45.07 | fengor | not me |
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| 06:47.27 | niru | fengor:suppose I add a line in a patch file how can i add that patched file to the package any idea |
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| 06:48.32 | fengor | man patch |
| 06:50.04 | Guerin | niru: if you have to ask that question, this is a task you are not yet ready for |
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| 06:57.52 | stsch | hi |
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| 06:58.38 | anapivirtua | Bonjour tout le monde / Hi all |
| 06:58.47 | tenzind_ | !tar |
| 06:58.48 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 07:07.29 | Plasmoduck | anyone use xplanet and can help me? |
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| 07:18.43 | Plasmoduck | hey |
| 07:19.04 | Plasmoduck | im trying to install the nvidia sarge drivers but I got this error, please join #paste to help me |
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| 07:21.13 | Plasmoduck | please help |
| 07:21.35 | Plasmoduck | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/nvidia/nvidia.o: init_modu/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/nvidia/nvidia.o: init_module: No such device/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/nvidia/nvidia.o: init_module: No such device/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/nvidia/nvidia.o: init_module: No such devicele: No such device |
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| 07:21.54 | Plasmoduck | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 07:21.54 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
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| 07:25.44 | Plasmoduck | someone help me |
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| 07:26.07 | niru | what Plasmoduck |
| 07:26.20 | Plasmoduck | im trying to install the nvidia sarge drivers but I got this error, please join #paste to help me |
| 07:26.24 | Plasmoduck | so I can paste |
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| 07:30.14 | Bleupomme | hi, I have a memory problem. I want to install debian on a dell server, with xeon processor and 8GB of ram what kernel should I use? |
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| 07:32.19 | tarzeau | Bleupomme: a 64gb one |
| 07:32.46 | Bleupomme | tarzeau: Are these in the normal repositories? |
| 07:32.51 | tarzeau | Bleupomme: one that has this in the kernel config: CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y |
| 07:32.57 | tarzeau | Bleupomme: i don't know. i build my own |
| 07:33.10 | tarzeau | make-kpkg from kernel-package is nice. i think etch has such kernels.. not sure |
| 07:33.21 | furenku | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 07:33.21 | furenku | oops |
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| 07:33.36 | furenku | i need some help anybody.... why does agnula not recognize my cdrom, usb drive or other hd partitions?! |
| 07:33.54 | Bleupomme | tarzeau: ok thnx |
| 07:34.44 | oye | furenku: because you have to mount them? |
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| 07:40.56 | Plasmoduck | http://www.google.com/tisp/ |
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| 07:42.24 | _coma | The requested URL /tisp/faq.html was not found on this server. |
| 07:42.25 | _coma | >:( |
| 07:42.45 | _coma | this is the first time ever i see a google link that's 404 |
| 07:42.52 | SlayerXP | i wonder if it's legal to hurt someone who topposts a 23 line ascii art .sig |
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| 07:44.51 | _coma | is tisp an april fools joke? |
| 07:44.52 | _coma | lol |
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| 07:51.47 | karsten | SlayerXP: Yo! Dweebie! |
| 07:51.59 | SlayerXP | o/ |
| 07:52.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello I have installed network-gnome-manager but it doesnt start at boot, why not? |
| 07:52.51 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: I find no such package. |
| 07:53.54 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: /join #ubuntu for Ubuntu support please. |
| 07:54.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | karsten, I use etch |
| 07:54.45 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: That's an ubuntu package. |
| 07:55.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | karsten, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/network-manager-gnome |
| 07:56.21 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: Um Ok. Sorry, didn't find anything but gnome refs. |
| 07:56.26 | karsten | erm, ubuntu. |
| 07:57.00 | karsten | gonzaloaf_laptop: Add it to your system tray. Save your desktop prefs. That would be my suggestion. /join #gnome for more in-depth support. I don't run gnome myself, hate the stuff. |
| 07:58.45 | cahoot | the nm-applet should get added to the taskbar by default |
| 07:59.38 | cahoot | gonzaloaf_laptop: you have commented out the entries for your wifi in network/interfaces? |
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| 08:00.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cahoot, yep |
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| 08:01.02 | cahoot | gonzaloaf_laptop: of course your wifi has sufficient support ? |
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| 08:01.25 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cahoot, well not all lines, take a look http://pastebin.ca/422104 |
| 08:01.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cahoot, yep I'm connected over my wireless card right now |
| 08:02.23 | cahoot | gonzaloaf_laptop: comment out everthing *but* lo in interfaces |
| 08:02.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cahoot, then? |
| 08:03.50 | cahoot | gonzaloaf_laptop: I'm not at my laptop atm but IIRC you restart nm with something like /etc/dbus-1/event.d/networkmanager restart |
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| 08:08.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cahoot, nothing, I better keep using netapplet |
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| 08:10.44 | TurboBee | I just noticed something weird to me and wanted to see if anyone knew what was up... I tried installing hotplug to do my bcm43xx-fwcutter (I think i need hotplug for it), and apt-get told me it was going to remove the following when I installed the hotplug package.... now I think these are rather important packages it wanted to remove |
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| 08:11.07 | TurboBee | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 08:11.07 | TurboBee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.28 | TurboBee | are they not? and why would it try to remove those if I installed hotplug |
| 08:11.34 | cahoot | TurboBee: *I* don't think you need hotplug |
| 08:11.42 | TurboBee | ok |
| 08:11.57 | cahoot | TurboBee: at least not for the reason you mentioned |
| 08:11.57 | Nemoder | is that sarge or etch? |
| 08:12.15 | TurboBee | etch |
| 08:12.19 | TurboBee | i just realized i dont need hotplug |
| 08:12.24 | TurboBee | i read further down the howto after you said that |
| 08:12.29 | Nemoder | yeah, etch uses udev mostly now |
| 08:12.34 | TurboBee | it said I realize you don't have hotplug we're just making the stupid driver happy |
| 08:12.38 | TurboBee | lol |
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| 08:13.56 | jojo^ | Anyone using ATI's drivers on sid/amd64? |
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| 08:14.24 | xand | !anyone |
| 08:14.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:15.03 | jojo^ | Sorry :) |
| 08:15.45 | jojo^ | drivers build nice and kernel module fglrx loads.. But box crashes when I start Xorg |
| 08:16.20 | fengor | what error message? |
| 08:16.59 | cafuego_ | nemo: schweet |
| 08:17.07 | jojo^ | fengor, box locks completly |
| 08:17.55 | fengor | completely? even magic sysreq doesnt work? |
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| 08:21.45 | TurboBee | ok so i copied my firmware to /lib/firmware and /lib/hotplug/firmware for bcm43xx |
| 08:21.59 | jojo^ | fengor, Now that you say it.. it actually answers on ping.. Monitor is dead though, and can't ssh into the box.. or press ctrl-alt-del. Hmm. |
| 08:22.07 | TurboBee | it is the correct firmware downloaded by bcm43xx-fwcutter, and when i load the module I don't get a new device |
| 08:22.24 | TurboBee | I'm using bcm43XG |
| 08:23.05 | TurboBee | which is in the supported cards list |
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| 08:23.32 | jojo^ | TurboBee, Any errors in klog/dmesg? |
| 08:23.32 | TurboBee | any clue whats holding me back from seeing it in ifconfig or iwconfig |
| 08:23.40 | TurboBee | in dmesg i see this |
| 08:23.57 | TurboBee | bcm43xx driver |
| 08:24.04 | TurboBee | when i load it |
| 08:24.06 | xand | ifconfig -a |
| 08:24.15 | TurboBee | did that too and i see |
| 08:24.32 | TurboBee | sit0 lo and eth0 |
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| 08:25.45 | TurboBee | is there a way to pass a verbose flag to the module on load |
| 08:26.10 | fengor | jojo^: hmm strangeyou maybe want to rebuild the kernel either there is a prob with the driver or a prob with the hardware. at least that would be my guess. |
| 08:26.50 | jojo^ | fengor, Hmm.. I'm using 2.6.18-4-amd64 (latest in sid, just upgraded and built the ATI drivers.. 8.35.5) |
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| 08:27.30 | jojo^ | fengor, Could be a problem with the driver.. I havn't used the ATI drivers before though, so I'm thinking that there's something I'm missing out |
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| 08:28.23 | jojo^ | What flag can I pass to xinit to make it more verbose? |
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| 08:29.22 | fengor | jojo^: did you install the drivers by hand or did you use the oneliner? |
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| 08:32.11 | jojo^ | fengor, The oneliner to build the debian packages, installed them, and then m-a a-i fglrx |
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| 08:33.05 | fengor | hmm ok then i'm afraid that i have no idea what you could try atm :/ |
| 08:33.10 | jojo^ | Maybe I should try installing etch/i386 just to see if it works at all.. I've got some space in the LVM2 volume group |
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| 08:34.02 | jojo^ | Is there a good support forum for ATI's drivers somewhere on the web? |
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| 08:42.00 | warlock | Does anyone know what packages are needed to be able to use a php mail sender script? |
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| 08:45.13 | plutonas | what does one to include as build in in the kernel configuration, so that the kernel boots from a sata drive? |
| 08:45.18 | plutonas | have to include* |
| 08:45.38 | karsten | plutonas: SATA compiled in, rather than modular. |
| 08:45.59 | plutonas | karsten: yes, i couldn't find it in the menu, could you please guide me? |
| 08:47.06 | plutonas | it should be under device drivers right? |
| 08:47.23 | plutonas | but then? |
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| 08:54.08 | dustybin | before etch is released i think everyone will need to wait until what project leader gets voted |
| 08:54.30 | dustybin | afters thats finalized then u etch will be released |
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| 08:56.02 | solstan | i have a working debian system on my desktop pc. i also have another pc running as a server. is it possible to place a copy of my working system on my server so that anyone who wants can download it to his/her machine thro' the Net? |
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| 08:57.28 | Nemoder | I'm not sure why you would want to do that |
| 08:57.48 | dustybin | i cant work that one out |
| 08:57.51 | solstan | Nemoder: spread free software. |
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| 08:58.14 | Nemoder | why don't they just download the debian installer and use that? |
| 08:58.20 | dustybin | lol yes |
| 08:58.21 | fengor | ever thought about different hardware solstan ? |
| 08:58.31 | fengor | thats why we have the installers ;p |
| 08:58.40 | Nemoder | making an image of your own system will cause problems with different hardware, not to mention security problems |
| 08:58.40 | dustybin | solstan: for all we know you might of root-kitted up everything |
| 08:58.56 | solstan | fengor: sure, but equal or higher hw will be the prequisite. |
| 08:59.41 | dustybin | solstan: what makes your setup so special? |
| 08:59.46 | fengor | solstan: higher hw wont function properly |
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| 09:00.03 | fengor | since for higfher hardware you'll propably need different drivers |
| 09:00.03 | solstan | dustybin: it works. :D |
| 09:00.14 | fengor | so does etch solstan |
| 09:00.16 | dustybin | solstan: yes on your HW |
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| 09:00.32 | solstan | fengor: mine is based on etch. |
| 09:00.41 | fengor | and different people will have different oppinions about a working system ;p |
| 09:00.55 | Nemoder | solstan: they would also be stuck with your passwords, your network config etc |
| 09:00.56 | dustybin | ohh i see, you've crafter your own distro |
| 09:01.22 | dustybin | Solstan Distro - Based On Debian Etch |
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| 09:02.02 | solstan | Nemoder: true, that's something that can be changed. |
| 09:02.12 | Nemoder | solstan: and they would also need some way of installing your 'working system' which would probably be a lot more of a headache than just using debian's installer |
| 09:02.47 | dustybin | debian etch installs fine on average pc hardware anyway |
| 09:02.53 | Nemoder | solstan: now if you wanted to make a liveCD with custom packages you might try something like morphix |
| 09:03.10 | simonrvn | livecd.debian.net i think |
| 09:03.13 | simonrvn | !livecd |
| 09:03.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 09:03.18 | solstan | Nemoder: Windows come in one CD and it can be installed in many machines provided the hw config is up to par. |
| 09:03.22 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
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| 09:04.07 | Nemoder | solstan: windows isn't very usefull without an internet connection to get updates from, in which case you're just as good using the debian net installer which is just one CD |
| 09:04.16 | fengor | solstan: yeah but windows is a one size fits all approach |
| 09:04.37 | fengor | whereas you can configure a debian system to almost any level of detail you want |
| 09:05.02 | solstan | livecd, that's the line i m thinking along. can i make a debian livecd. |
| 09:05.18 | jm|laptop | Knoppix? |
| 09:05.31 | Nemoder | solstan: http://www.morphix.org/ |
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| 09:05.39 | solstan | fengor: many users out there just want to put in a CD and from there get a working system. |
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| 09:05.50 | erchache | hi |
| 09:05.59 | nivanson | solstan: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 09:06.00 | jm|laptop | ooh morphix |
| 09:06.07 | erchache | im using a server with rsnapshot+ssh key for backup my servers |
| 09:06.17 | erchache | and im looking for iscsi for change it |
| 09:06.18 | solstan | nivanson: thks, will check it out. |
| 09:06.26 | erchache | anybody are using iscsi? |
| 09:06.27 | dustybin | solstan: u cant just put a windows cd in have a working system? u need to install it first? |
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| 09:07.15 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 09:07.32 | Nemoder | morphix is based on debian but it is it's own project, if you want to stick with debian then just tell people to download the net installer |
| 09:07.38 | jojo^ | erchache, iscsi for backup? Sounds a bit missalined, somehow.. Tell me about the senario you're planning |
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| 09:08.17 | erchache | many servers to get same harddisk for backup |
| 09:08.27 | erchache | with differents ips and networks |
| 09:08.34 | erchache | jojo^ |
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| 09:08.46 | gypsymauro | I'm builidng some virtual machines with vserver for an open source lab for my LUG, I'm thinking to use ldap to authenticate users, so every virtual machine can access to the same users's database, it's a good idea? there is documentation on how implement it on debian etch? |
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| 09:09.11 | Plasmoduck | Hello all, Im trying to get my soundblaster working |
| 09:09.22 | erchache | jojo^ |
| 09:09.51 | jojo^ | erchache, What filesystem are you thinking of using on top of iscsi? |
| 09:10.04 | erchache | ext3 perhaps xfs of similar |
| 09:10.18 | erchache | something with journaling |
| 09:10.20 | jojo^ | erchache, Only one box will be able to have write-access at the time |
| 09:10.25 | erchache | yepa |
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| 09:10.35 | erchache | i have raid0 |
| 09:10.45 | erchache | but in a future use raid5+lvm |
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| 09:11.23 | erchache | im thinking on iscsi because i can use it with window$ machines |
| 09:11.48 | jojo^ | erchache, Windows will not be able to access the filesystem though |
| 09:12.07 | erchache | no? do i need fat32 for filesystem for it? |
| 09:12.15 | erchache | or ntfs |
| 09:12.29 | erchache | uhmmm this sound interesting |
| 09:12.33 | Plasmoduck | Please join #paste to view the output of my query and help me! |
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| 09:13.06 | jojo^ | erchache, iscsi provides raw block access.. It's not like NFS or SMB.. So the client computer accesses the iscsi devices on block level, putting it's own file system in place |
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| 09:13.23 | erchache | ok |
| 09:15.04 | erchache | this sounds like ATA over ethernet but with more performance no? |
| 09:15.25 | jojo^ | erchache, ATA over ethernet has better performance than iscsi |
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| 09:15.38 | jojo^ | erchache, But it's basically the same thing yeah.. AoE is on a lower level. |
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| 09:15.43 | Plasmoduck | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o: init_module: No such device |
| 09:15.44 | Plasmoduck | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 09:15.44 | Plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.44 | Plasmoduck | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o failed |
| 09:15.44 | Plasmoduck | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o: insmod sb failed |
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| 09:15.49 | [4PG]Kryptor | MY DICK IS ON FIRE SOMEONE HELP ME MY DICK IS ON FIRE. |
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| 09:15.52 | erchache | uhmmm good |
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| 09:16.02 | erchache | but AoE is only for linux machines no? |
| 09:16.07 | xand | [4PG]Kryptor: jump in a pond |
| 09:16.20 | [4PG]Kryptor | HELP ITS BURNING ITS BURNING |
| 09:16.38 | solstan | had a look at livecd site. there is no means to know what is in the complete package without downloading. |
| 09:16.46 | jojo^ | erchache, There are windows-drivers for AoE.. No free ones so far though, but if you have the money |
| 09:16.59 | fengor | solstan: and how is that different to your image? |
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| 09:17.17 | erchache | and why AoE is better than iscsi? |
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| 09:18.06 | jojo^ | erchache, It's faster, and potentially more secure as it's on ethernet-level and not IP (so it can't be routed).. But free windows drivers for iscsi is a plus indeed. |
| 09:18.21 | jojo^ | erchache, I'd stick with rsync/rsnapshot for backups though if I were you |
| 09:18.30 | solstan | fengor: my image? |
| 09:18.33 | erchache | uhmm interesting |
| 09:18.43 | fengor | solstan: i doubt that anyone would use an image of your harddisk because it is much faster easier and from a security point of view safer to just use the etch installer |
| 09:18.44 | abchirk | Hi alll... what I have to do for a printersetup...I have here an hp printer and how I can find out if the printer is ok? and how I can test it? |
| 09:19.00 | [4PG]Kryptor | erchache its better because it sounds better, A to the o the the E |
| 09:19.02 | erchache | AoE is for same LAN and iscsi for heterogeneus networks and systems |
| 09:19.17 | fengor | besides if i understood you correctly it would break most of the computers because it is layed out for your hardware |
| 09:19.29 | Plasmoduck | please help |
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| 09:20.07 | fengor | !tell abchirk aboout cups |
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| 09:20.22 | solstan | fengor: there are problem with etch installer. for instance, if i am on a wlan, it will not bring my system up ready for apt. |
| 09:20.23 | fengor | !tell abchirk about cups |
| 09:20.26 | ZyX | i'm getting: W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3 |
| 09:20.39 | ZyX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:20.53 | fengor | so and how would your harddisk image fix that solstan ? |
| 09:20.59 | psyco-obiwan | im building a kernel package for etch with make-kpkg and i want to apply a custom patch (not debian) at which point should this patch be applied ? after make-kpkg clean and before make oldconfig or when ? |
| 09:21.25 | erchache | and on other way have GFS no? |
| 09:21.28 | jojo^ | erchache, Sort of. AoE basically fills the same need as fiber channel, but in a cheaper way.. A friend of mine has coded an AoE server software that's a lot better than vlbade provided by coraid.. Take a look at http://pi.nxs.se/~wowie/qaoed/ |
| 09:21.31 | solstan | fengor: my would be set up for wlan of the right hw. |
| 09:21.47 | fengor | and how do you define right hw solstan ? |
| 09:21.54 | Danamania | so - any hints on where to start looking for issues? |
| 09:22.17 | solstan | fengor: in the case of wlan, right NIC. |
| 09:22.31 | fengor | Danamania: well depends: what tasks is it used for |
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| 09:23.09 | Danamania | fengor: webserving 3 domains, one is a geeklog+mysql - also mailserver and basic netatalk server. |
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| 09:23.24 | erchache | jojo^ and GFS? |
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| 09:23.29 | fengor | solstan: yeah right i'll download your image just to get my wlan working. every user who is bright enough to know what wlan nic he has is bright enough to get it working with the installer... in less time than to resolve the remaining hw issues from your image |
| 09:23.39 | [4PG]Kryptor | do your ears hang low do they wobble too and frow can you tie em to your balls, can you shuv em up ur ass? |
| 09:23.57 | va | How can I specify that my network card should operate at e.g. 100 full-duplex, 10 Half-duplex etc. ? |
| 09:24.03 | fengor | Danamania: i'd take a look at the io |
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| 09:24.09 | fengor | maybe the problem lies there |
| 09:24.11 | petemc | va: ethtool |
| 09:24.23 | fengor | although you could check the network cards if they behave properly |
| 09:24.37 | Shadowcat | va: you can't do that with just any card |
| 09:24.38 | [4PG]Kryptor | MY BALLS ARE BUSTING |
| 09:24.42 | solstan | what is this [4PG] guy up to? why isn't he kicked out? |
| 09:24.52 | Shadowcat | !ops someone please discipline [4PG]Kryptor |
| 09:24.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: shadowcat complains about: someone please discipline [4PG]Kryptor |
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| 09:25.23 | Kryptor | lol what a sad person |
| 09:25.28 | Kryptor | disciplin |
| 09:25.29 | Kryptor | hahahha |
| 09:25.31 | Kryptor | your sad |
| 09:25.36 | va | I have a Gbit card that is coming up at 1000 and then going down immediately, I get those messages logged in dmesg |
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| 09:25.48 | Shadowcat | Kryptor: you were saying? :) |
| 09:25.48 | azeem | Kryptor: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 09:25.57 | cokeslut | sup |
| 09:25.57 | Setzer` | yo |
| 09:26.02 | solstan | only 10 mins? |
| 09:26.20 | Shadowcat | solstan: we need some entertainment in here once in a while ;) |
| 09:26.32 | Shadowcat | can't be debugging kernel stack traces all day long |
| 09:26.32 | solstan | :P |
| 09:28.10 | va | petemc: so i should set up a bootup script that calls ethtool with appropriate parameters before all the networking scripts are run? |
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| 09:28.32 | Shadowcat | va: again |
| 09:28.36 | Ze_M | morning |
| 09:28.39 | Shadowcat | your network driver needs to support that |
| 09:28.54 | Ze_M | how can i look for a file that belongs to a package that isnt installed? |
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| 09:29.01 | Shadowcat | apt-file |
| 09:29.02 | Setzer` | out of interest |
| 09:29.12 | va | Shadowcat: I got that, but assuming my driver does support it |
| 09:29.16 | Ze_M | Shadowcat: apt-file with what options? |
| 09:29.33 | fengor | Ze_M: man apt-file |
| 09:29.46 | Ze_M | fengor: lol |
| 09:29.54 | Ze_M | fengor: your a great helper |
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| 09:31.03 | Ze_M | i did this: apt-file search kdebug.h but im getting errors |
| 09:31.34 | fengor | well if you want to have it read out to you you can always try apt-get install gnuspeech ;p |
| 09:31.35 | solstan | apt-cache search? |
| 09:31.39 | Ze_M | http://rafb.net/p/UFd2lc32.html |
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| 09:32.21 | Ze_M | i have apt-get working and also ksynaptic, so why do i get that error? |
| 09:32.46 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 09:32.49 | Shadowcat | I agree with fengor |
| 09:32.52 | Shadowcat | man apt-file |
| 09:33.12 | fengor | i suppose you did a apt-file update Ze_M ? |
| 09:33.23 | Ze_M | fengor: of course |
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| 09:35.48 | russo_ | gah! upgrading to the newer cups causes problems |
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| 09:35.59 | russo_ | but to be fair the interface is much nicer |
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| 09:41.46 | fluxdude3 | is there a way of getting debian security announcements only for the packages I have installed on a machine? |
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| 09:42.19 | fluxdude3 | ie, some script or something to run on the debian machine and let me know when a vulnerability is found if that package is installed on the machine, then email me? |
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| 09:42.43 | fluxdude3 | I've got this running on all my gentoo machines and it is very very good, I want the same thing for my personal debian machines as well. |
| 09:43.01 | Plasmoduck | please help me, I am trying to get my ISA Soundblaster working.. I done modprobe sb and got errors... |
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| 09:43.37 | xand | Plasmoduck: and they are? |
| 09:43.52 | cydork | fluxdude3: check the package debsecan |
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| 09:44.10 | Plasmoduck | xand, please join #paste and I will show you |
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| 09:44.16 | claudio` | hola |
| 09:44.50 | xand | Plasmoduck: use pastebin |
| 09:44.59 | Plasmoduck | ? |
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| 09:46.09 | cydork | !pastebin |
| 09:46.09 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 09:46.34 | Plasmoduck | it doesn't work |
| 09:46.35 | Plasmoduck | Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145) |
| 09:46.44 | Plasmoduck | come to #paste |
| 09:46.51 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a way to create a backup of a linux system that is running? |
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| 09:48.40 | cydork | mkl1525: you can use systemimager or afaik i know even mondo can be used. |
| 09:49.04 | ifireball | mkl1525: that depends on what exactly do you want to backup |
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| 09:49.37 | mkl1525 | cydork, thanks will have a look |
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| 09:49.53 | Plasmoduck | come on xand |
| 09:50.33 | mkl1525 | ifireball, asterisk (ip telephone) server |
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| 09:50.36 | xand | no |
| 09:51.13 | xand | sorry im busy |
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| 09:53.09 | ifireball | mkl1525: what I ment, is whter you want to backup the whole system, OS included, or maybe just config or just data, also, how busy is your system matters |
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| 09:54.14 | mkl1525 | ifireball, yes the whole system so that I can use a dvd/tape to rebuild the whole system without a hassle. |
| 09:54.22 | ifireball | mkl1525: systemimager would indeed be an easy solution for a whole-system backup, though you risk inconsistency if your system is very busy while you back-up |
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| 09:56.42 | Plasmoduck | which kernel image do I get for AMD K6 500? |
| 09:56.50 | Plasmoduck | for 2.6 |
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| 10:02.12 | Plasmoduck | ????????? |
| 10:02.32 | stsch | re |
| 10:03.22 | claudio` | Well, i've a DSL ethernet modem attached to a switch with several clients on it. Now, can i connect each client directly to the DSL modem with PPPoE or i have to use NAT or so in order to share the connection with all the clients in my network? |
| 10:03.25 | fireba11 | Plasmoduck : 2.6-k7 |
| 10:03.30 | fireba11 | er .. |
| 10:03.38 | fireba11 | Plasmoduck : 2.6-686 |
| 10:03.44 | Plasmoduck | thanks |
| 10:03.51 | jojo^ | claudio`, You'll need NAT |
| 10:03.57 | claudio` | jojo^: champagne! |
| 10:04.05 | claudio` | I go to set up the gateway |
| 10:04.05 | claudio` | THX |
| 10:04.22 | claudio` | brb |
| 10:04.45 | Plasmoduck | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ?? |
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| 10:06.00 | cydork | Plasmoduck: yeah. |
| 10:06.48 | Plasmoduck | okay it's downloading now |
| 10:06.51 | Plasmoduck | 15mb on dialup :( |
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| 10:09.11 | fireba11 | Plasmoduck: *ikes* dial-up ? those things still exist? :-) |
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| 10:10.16 | Plasmoduck | yeah im in Australia |
| 10:10.25 | Plasmoduck | and you have to pay $25 per month for it still |
| 10:10.33 | Plasmoduck | it's robery |
| 10:10.47 | quitte | i have a problem that makes no sense to me. as i want to run debian on that box it's not entirely offtopic and i wouuldn't know where else to ask. the avm fritzbox comes with a kernel that uses quite a bunch of proprietary modules. not using those is not an option. I want to use an initramfs so I can easily change the rootfs. Now whenever I do anything in the initramfs the kernel later crashes when loading the tiatm module. |
| 10:11.07 | quitte | even if i disable loading that module it crashes when configuring the network |
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| 10:14.10 | quitte | when nothing is executed in the initramfs it works just fine. i can even use init=/bin/sh do some chrooting, pivot_rooting - whatever and then exec init and it will work. |
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| 10:14.18 | quitte | i trried both switch_root and run-init. also just chrooting in te real root and then running init makes it crash as described above |
| 10:14.57 | solar_sea | I'm a bit confused with debian's init.d system and I'd like some help. I want to make a web server starting automaticly with the system, running under a normal user. I have created a separate user / group for it with the web server's files in the user's home folder. What shall I do next, a start-stop script in /etc/init.d ? |
| 10:15.15 | quitte | solar_sea: yes |
| 10:15.40 | sep | solar_sea, why are you not using the debian webserver packages like apache2 ? |
| 10:16.33 | cydork | solar_sea: take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton and man start-stop-daemon |
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| 10:16.36 | solar_sea | okey, another question, i've tryied starting it with the start-stop-daemon command like "start-stop-daemon -S -g 1001 -x ./abyssws" but it says that there is no such file. Should I add the directory where the server is to the path var ? |
| 10:16.58 | solar_sea | sep, I want to use the abyss web server, i'm used to working with it |
| 10:17.22 | sep | solar_sea, aha |
| 10:17.37 | sep | contribut to debian: package it :) |
| 10:18.42 | cydork | abyss is "Free" ? |
| 10:18.57 | sep | seams not to be |
| 10:18.58 | solar_sea | as in beer |
| 10:19.12 | quitte | is it redistributable? |
| 10:19.19 | cydork | solar_sea: ahh thought so.. |
| 10:19.20 | solar_sea | the free version, yes |
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| 10:20.42 | sep | i think it's a binary tgz download |
| 10:20.48 | sep | for free. but not free |
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| 10:21.26 | fluxdude3 | I've got a really strange problem, daylight saving time has just come on and I'm now getting cron jobs executed 1 hour out but the time is accurate on the server! |
| 10:21.46 | fluxdude3 | it says 11:21 but 20 minutes ago it just executed a 0 10 * * * job |
| 10:22.04 | fluxdude3 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Jul 27 2006 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London |
| 10:22.23 | Ze_M | can anyone help me with apt-file.conf? |
| 10:22.28 | fluxdude3 | the date command gives me the right time so why does this happen? |
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| 10:23.12 | xand | fluxdude3: daylight saving hasn't just started in that timezone |
| 10:23.14 | xand | your timezone is wrong |
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| 10:24.09 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 10:24.13 | fluxdude3 | how can that be the clocks changed already |
| 10:24.25 | Mazingaro | please, when will 4.0 come out? |
| 10:25.26 | cydork | Mazingaro: /topic |
| 10:25.26 | xand | fluxdude3: they changed a week ago! |
| 10:25.26 | solar_sea | With this line "DAEMON=/home/abyssws/abyssws/$NAME" it's working okey, but i order to run the server in daemon mode I need to append a "-d" to the command line. But when i try to edit the line to "DAEMON=/home/abyssws/abyssws/$NAME -d" i'm getting "./abyssws: line 21: -d: command not found". what am I doing wrong :) ? |
| 10:25.26 | fluxdude3 | are you saying that /etc/localtime should point to something else like GB? |
| 10:25.27 | cydork | Mazingaro: also /msg dpkg rc bugs |
| 10:25.27 | Mazingaro | cydork: I read it |
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| 10:25.45 | xand | fluxdude3: no, but if you just changed to DST you can't be in the UK |
| 10:26.14 | fluxdude3 | it changed a few days ago I know, but it's only today that this happened, I rebooted the server yesterday |
| 10:26.25 | petemc | its over a week ago |
| 10:26.26 | xand | is the bios clock right |
| 10:26.31 | fluxdude3 | perhaps it's cos I did a systohc? perhaps the bios clock is out |
| 10:26.33 | cydork | solar_sea: try -- -d |
| 10:26.41 | fluxdude3 | how does cron work out the time then? |
| 10:26.50 | xand | a sundial |
| 10:27.10 | Mazingaro | cydork: then what does all this mean? |
| 10:27.17 | solar_sea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:27.38 | cydork | Mazingaro: check the bugs link, when that count reaches to zero. Etch will be released :) |
| 10:27.52 | Mazingaro | cydork: ah ok |
| 10:27.59 | Mazingaro | cydork: thanks |
| 10:28.02 | warlock | If I want to renice a process when starting it up, do I do it like this?: ./mything -renice 3 ? |
| 10:28.12 | jzu_ | Anyone got Blizzard 68060 for sale?:O |
| 10:28.19 | Mazingaro | Total number of release-critical bugs: 25 |
| 10:28.23 | cydork | warlock: man nice |
| 10:28.29 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: where do you see that? |
| 10:28.31 | Mazingaro | jzu_: blizzard 68040 |
| 10:28.40 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: damn, Im looking for 68060. |
| 10:28.43 | cydork | tarzeau: sesse's count |
| 10:28.44 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html |
| 10:28.47 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: Im going to buy new A1200 and seking turbo for it |
| 10:28.56 | Mazingaro | jzu_: got an old amiga2000 |
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| 10:29.15 | Mazingaro | jzu_: just get an amiga 4000 then |
| 10:29.28 | Mazingaro | cydork: 25 bugs it's very hard |
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| 10:29.48 | Mazingaro | cydork: with 25 will be released in 6 months :) |
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| 10:30.05 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: nah, I dont want tower. |
| 10:30.05 | tarzeau | big party on the release day? |
| 10:30.19 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: normal a1200 is fine. |
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| 10:30.26 | cydork | Mazingaro: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 10:30.28 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: damn I was stupid - I sold my A1200 few years ago. |
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| 10:30.58 | Mazingaro | jzu_: :( then get a new amiga mobo |
| 10:31.02 | tarzeau | cydork: i exchanged mine with an hp pa-risc :( |
| 10:31.12 | tarzeau | cydork: and it was a very new one (unused) :'( |
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| 10:31.41 | cydork | tarzeau: :O |
| 10:31.52 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: yeah, Im going to buy new A1200 with original casing. |
| 10:32.02 | Mazingaro | jzu_: no |
| 10:32.17 | Mazingaro | jzu_: I mean, there are mobos for amiga with ppc on |
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| 10:32.29 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: Oh |
| 10:32.35 | jzu_ | but I dont need ppc |
| 10:32.38 | jzu_ | Im going to watch AGA-demos |
| 10:32.47 | tarzeau | jzu_: #demoscene |
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| 10:35.19 | Mazingaro | jzu_: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/index.php?currency=GBP&osCsid=084bc104b89a037010f740e4039c507e |
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| 10:36.06 | jzu_ | Mazingaro: They dont have turbos |
| 10:36.14 | jzu_ | Im going to buy A1200 from there thou . |
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| 10:42.38 | Ind[y] | Greetings. Is there a GNOME desktop theme with Glider? |
| 10:43.17 | solar_sea | How do I get the start-stop-daemon to pass some string when executing a daemon ? I've tried with the --exec "daemon -foo" and --startas "daemon -foo" but it isn't working the way I need. |
| 10:44.36 | cydork | solar_sea: check DAEMON_ARGS in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 10:45.53 | solar_sea | there is no such option in it. [i'm using sarge] |
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| 10:48.22 | fluxdude3 | can anyone explain to me how cron can execute a job at 11:00 when it is scheduled for 10:00 and both the system and hwclock times say 11:00? |
| 10:48.29 | cydork | hmm sarge.. i dont have any machine on sarge atm :P |
| 10:49.26 | solar_sea | I solved it. man start-stop-daemon was helpful, that string "-- -d" that you've mentioned before, i've tried adding it to the $DAEMON var and not the start-stop-daemon command line. It works now, thanks :D |
| 10:49.47 | cydork | solar_sea: no probl :) |
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| 10:50.32 | solar_sea | How can I add the script to be executed at the different run time levels ? |
| 10:50.52 | cydork | solar_sea: man update-rc.d |
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| 10:53.15 | solar_sea | Okey, i've got it working. thanks again :) |
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| 10:58.29 | Sazpaimon | http://www.debian.org/logos/button-l.png what font does this use, if anyone knows? |
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| 11:03.54 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:03.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
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| 11:04.21 | cydork | o.0 |
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| 11:14.05 | GutterPunk | Does anyone know of a solution or a howto on how to create virtualhosts in ldap? |
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| 11:18.34 | liable | dpkg: lazy bot.. where you been? |
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| 11:24.01 | Mazingaro | so when will 4.0 be released? A couple of weeks? A month? Three years? |
| 11:24.13 | js_ | i think very very soon |
| 11:24.26 | Mazingaro | tomorrow? |
| 11:24.35 | js_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.43 | BlueParrot | hmmm 4.0 is etch , no ? |
| 11:25.09 | Mazingaro | yes |
| 11:25.17 | BlueParrot | will the release result in a billion packages flowing into the etch repositories or is that for lenny ? |
| 11:25.20 | Sazpaimon | so if etch is frozen what exactly else needs to be done to it anyway |
| 11:25.35 | wols | Sazpaimon: fixed all RC bugsw |
| 11:26.21 | Sazpaimon | oh right |
| 11:27.10 | BlueParrot | right, so I am running etch at the moment is there anything I should watch out for when it is oficially released in terms of system breakage on next update ... |
| 11:28.02 | liable | BlueParrot: make sure your sources.list points to etch, not testing |
| 11:28.24 | BlueParrot | liable: heh, yea I figured that was a good idea |
| 11:28.32 | Mazingaro | liable: unstable? |
| 11:28.46 | liable | Mazingaro: what do you mean? |
| 11:29.04 | Mazingaro | deb http://debian.fastbull.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 11:29.04 | Mazingaro | deb http://debian.fastbull.org/debian/ unstable contrib |
| 11:29.04 | Mazingaro | deb http://debian.fastbull.org/debian/ unstable non-free |
| 11:29.19 | BlueParrot | no thanks : ) |
| 11:29.26 | liable | Mazingaro: unstable is sid, etch is testing atm, soon to be stable |
| 11:29.31 | BlueParrot | I am runing Debian BECAUSE it is stable :P |
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| 11:29.50 | Mazingaro | liable: so if I'd like to upgrade to etch stable? |
| 11:30.19 | BlueParrot | Mazingaro: s/unstable/etch/ in sources.list |
| 11:30.35 | BlueParrot | basically etch is currently testing, it will become stable in a few days |
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| 11:30.49 | liable | Mazingaro: thats a downgrade, and you *may* be able to make it etch if you change your sources now to etch |
| 11:30.52 | BlueParrot | or well whatever /msg dpkg wwer tells you |
| 11:30.57 | liable | !info libc6 etch |
| 11:31.00 | liable | !info libc6 sid |
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| 11:31.08 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 11:31.21 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 11:31.39 | liable | Mazingaro: change your sources right now to etch |
| 11:31.40 | Mazingaro | liable: it is the same! |
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| 11:32.04 | liable | though there may be other packages that are already upgraded, but libc6 is a big killer |
| 11:32.14 | dustybin | i need some help with DNS, could i ask anyone here? |
| 11:32.34 | BlueParrot | dustybin: yea, but just ask, no need to ask if you can ask |
| 11:32.45 | liable | you will just have to find out when you install shit, if you get weird depends problems, then you'll have to downgrade those packages |
| 11:33.30 | BlueParrot | it may or may not be worth the trouble and is quite possibly easier to just do a fresh install |
| 11:33.54 | liable | probably easier, but, meh, depends how much spare time you have |
| 11:34.11 | Mazingaro | liable: I'm doing an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:34.14 | BlueParrot | well it depends on how much stuff you have to tinker with in addition |
| 11:34.39 | Mazingaro | liable: I'm doing that on a non critical system : |
| 11:34.41 | Mazingaro | :) |
| 11:34.43 | liable | Mazingaro: i doubt it will install anything.. |
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| 11:34.55 | Mazingaro | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 11:34.56 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.58 | dustybin | I bought a domain from Godaddy and it used to point at my home server but as im going on holiday my home server will not be on so i need that domain to park on a Godaddy server. Ive changed the 2x name servers to the Godaddys parked domain name servers yesterday about 12+ hours ago but my domain doesnt resolve and that means i cannot use the Godaddy email SMTP |
| 11:35.00 | liable | in fact, i would be positively shocked |
| 11:35.07 | Mazingaro | liable: it will... :) |
| 11:35.19 | liable | Mazingaro: you havent upgraded your sid box for a while eh? |
| 11:35.23 | dustybin | heres the domain: www.worldbeyond.net |
| 11:35.27 | Mazingaro | liable: yesterday |
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| 11:36.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: Are you around? |
| 11:36.15 | Mazingaro | liable: so may I activate the security entry in sources.list? |
| 11:36.26 | liable | Mazingaro: out of interest, check p.d.o and see if it says how old those packages are |
| 11:36.30 | liable | Mazingaro: yes |
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| 11:36.34 | liable | for etch |
| 11:37.09 | Mazingaro | liable: p.d.o.? |
| 11:37.16 | liable | !pdo |
| 11:37.17 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 11:44.34 | Kryptor | I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN |
| 11:44.46 | liable | no your not |
| 11:44.58 | dustybin | If you park a domain, do you need a A Record for the email to work? |
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| 11:47.31 | Plasmoduck | how do I get a grub splash image? |
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| 11:48.23 | beenwatch | www.beenwatched.com |
| 11:49.08 | liable | beenwatch: we dont care about your silly website |
| 11:49.15 | beenwatch | its not silly its sexy |
| 11:49.36 | liable | its called spam |
| 11:49.47 | beenwatch | its not call spam its call sharing |
| 11:50.22 | praecox | beenwatch, it loads too slow to be even a good spam... |
| 11:51.14 | Ronin | theres good spam? |
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| 11:52.00 | wols | Ronin: of course. ask hormel. lovely spam |
| 11:52.13 | xand | disgusting |
| 11:52.16 | Ronin | well maybe spam musabi but i never worked up the nerve to try it |
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| 11:53.17 | Ronin | !ops beenwatch is spamming |
| 11:53.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: beenwatch is spamming |
| 11:53.35 | Ronin | a dial up crappy porn site i might add |
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| 11:54.18 | Ash-Fox | !ops |
| 11:54.19 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 11:54.35 | Ash-Fox | !ops beenwatch sent me this mesage on join: 13:52 <beenwatch> www.beenwatched.com LARGEST VIDEO SITE WITH SEXY VIDEOS AND FUNNY VIDEOS,OF ALL KIND <- send me this on join |
| 11:54.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ash-fox complains about: beenwatch sent me this mesage on join: 13:52 <beenwatch> www.beenwatched.com LARGEST VIDEO SITE WITH SEXY VIDEOS AND FUNNY VIDEOS,OF ALL KIND <- send me this on join |
| 11:54.52 | Ronin | i think they're all napping currently Ash-Fox :) |
| 11:55.02 | Ash-Fox | Can always try |
| 11:55.03 | wols | nice, an onjoin spamming asshole |
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| 11:55.38 | wols | isn't that grounds for a kline? |
| 11:55.44 | xand | don't worry, he'll be banned soon |
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| 11:55.46 | *** kick/#debian [beenwatch!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-41-162.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 11:55.49 | xand | see ;) |
| 11:55.59 | Ronin | morning azeem :) |
| 11:56.01 | wols | I'd rather have him klined. |
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| 11:57.06 | EdwardElric | haha, its not a bot either...its a person... |
| 11:57.19 | EdwardElric | i said something lude and he responded |
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| 11:57.49 | xand | "lude"? |
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| 11:58.02 | EdwardElric | i called him a bad name |
| 11:58.05 | EdwardElric | ;P |
| 11:58.55 | EdwardElric | i have much hate for spammers... |
| 11:58.56 | Ash-Fox | He got really angry with me in PM :( |
| 11:59.07 | xand | bless his cotton socks! |
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| 11:59.28 | Ronin | heh |
| 11:59.32 | liable | Bhaal: ping |
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| 12:00.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:00.15 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd137 is <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
| 12:00.26 | liable | haha |
| 12:00.30 | Ash-Fox | http://sphinx.quickfox.org/~ash-fox/temp/beenwatch.txt |
| 12:01.15 | azeem | Ash-Fox: well, don't feed the trolls. |
| 12:01.19 | EdwardElric | any really smart person here know how to clear/reset ip_conntrack ? (clear connection state table) |
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| 12:02.40 | BlueParrot | quotes like that always make me wonder |
| 12:03.40 | sep | EdwardElric, im not sure if that's possible in a non hackish way. |
| 12:03.48 | sep | EdwardElric, why do you need to reset it ? |
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| 12:05.30 | EdwardElric | its for my firewall |
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| 12:05.47 | wols | EdwardElric: that doesn't explain it |
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| 12:06.20 | EdwardElric | for some reason when i update my QoS and restart it, it doesnt "remember" the layer7 protocol of previously established states |
| 12:06.27 | EdwardElric | i wasnt finished wols |
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| 12:08.05 | wols | !tell EdwardElric about enter |
| 12:08.18 | cusco | hello |
| 12:08.36 | EdwardElric | haha |
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| 12:08.49 | tarzeau | omg 2.6.9-42.0.10.EL.cern |
| 12:08.54 | cusco | my screen is showing out of range if I use anything biggher than 1024x768 at 60Hz |
| 12:09.04 | Gambold | hi |
| 12:09.05 | tarzeau | cusco: tft or crt? |
| 12:09.13 | cusco | tft |
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| 12:09.23 | cusco | but on windows it goes higher |
| 12:09.30 | moshii | Is it possible to stop all the iptables output? or at least make it less verbose? |
| 12:09.37 | Gambold | anyone know of a wave recording app that works with ALSA under debian without installation of GTK+ etc? |
| 12:09.37 | cydork | tarzeau: scientific linux? |
| 12:09.39 | cusco | tarzeau: its actuallya 27" screen |
| 12:09.55 | Gambold | i can get audacity but it wont allow selection of sound card |
| 12:10.02 | cusco | I would be happy if I could use a 16/9 mode |
| 12:10.29 | cusco | on the text mode tty1 it autodetects 720x400 using the full screen |
| 12:10.48 | cusco | but if I try that on xorg.xonf it goes out of range too |
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| 12:10.55 | Ind[y] | What are th bad points of enabling Universe? |
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| 12:11.12 | cusco | Ind[y]: there is no universe here,m refer to #ubuntu |
| 12:11.36 | Ind[y] | ok |
| 12:11.38 | Ind[y] | sorry |
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| 12:12.13 | tarzeau | cydork: yes :( |
| 12:12.19 | zenbum | isn't debian an ubuntu-based distro? ;) |
| 12:12.20 | Gambold | anyone? |
| 12:12.27 | cydork | tarzeau: 2.4.21-20.EL.cernsmp :P |
| 12:12.54 | tarzeau | cydork: why on earth they use prefdm in inittab? and why a resolution change in xorg.conf won't work? |
| 12:12.56 | moshii | zenbum: nah, debian is based on mandriva |
| 12:12.57 | bronze_0_1 | zenbum: <dryly> No. its the other way around. |
| 12:13.16 | chris8487643 | hello, i had testing in my sources.list. i removed it, but now i have the problem that apt-get install refers version i don't have. apt-get clean and update did not help. how can i tell apt to forget about these repositories |
| 12:13.44 | azeem | chris8487643: what do you mean with "refers version i don't have"? |
| 12:13.51 | azeem | chris8487643: paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 12:13.52 | azeem | !paste |
| 12:13.53 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 12:14.25 | cydork | tarzeau: heh dont ask me about the first one. and dont know about second question coz we use it for a farm :P |
| 12:14.25 | chris8487643 | azeem: it refers to a newer packet version that was in testing but is not available in stable |
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| 12:14.51 | azeem | chris8487643: what is "it"? |
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| 12:16.47 | chris8487643 | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5942 |
| 12:16.51 | niru | what way do debian follow to write cds in huze quantilty |
| 12:17.01 | niru | around 1000 cds at a time |
| 12:17.06 | Plasmoduck | I just tryed booting into kernel 2.6.8-2-686 but it keeps rebooting after about 4 seconds of selectings that kernel. I am running a AMD K6 500 |
| 12:17.25 | cydork | niru: it lets users download it simultaniously and burn it :) |
| 12:17.40 | azeem | chris8487643: what does "dpkg -l libkrb53 | tail -1" say? |
| 12:17.52 | zOap | how do I restart apache2? I've got sarge... |
| 12:17.52 | niru | What about when giving cds at any function cydork |
| 12:18.08 | azeem | zOap: /etc/init.d/<package> restart, usually |
| 12:18.16 | zOap | azeem, thanks:) |
| 12:18.47 | liable | does apache2 have apachectl? |
| 12:19.06 | niru | any way of stamping cds or do you have any contract people to do that cydork |
| 12:19.22 | zorrolero | liable: yep, apache2ctl |
| 12:19.39 | liable | zOap: ^^ thats another way |
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| 12:20.00 | zOap | liable, apachectl? |
| 12:20.14 | chris8487643 | azeem: "ii libkrb53 1.4.3-9 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries", hm already installed, and not the stable version. i can force reinstallation of the stable verison of the packet |
| 12:20.14 | liable | yeah, apache2ctl restart |
| 12:20.26 | azeem | chris8487643: so you have a half-etch/half-sarge system |
| 12:20.55 | azeem | chris8487643: the solution is to upgrade to etch, not to return to sarge |
| 12:21.02 | zorrolero | zOap: "apache2ctl graceful/restart" |
| 12:21.25 | liable | Plasmoduck: thats not the most recent sarge kernel btw, what kernel do you usually run? |
| 12:21.41 | Plasmoduck | Linux delta9 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 12:21.42 | chris8487643 | azeem: unfortunately, yes. i had testing once in the sources.list, but then i started to have problems with apt-get update, i think because of the new gpg key |
| 12:21.47 | Plasmoduck | I just installed sarge |
| 12:21.52 | Plasmoduck | like 2 days ago |
| 12:21.59 | Plasmoduck | on this AMD K6 500 |
| 12:22.09 | liable | Plasmoduck: do you have security in sources.list? |
| 12:22.12 | Plasmoduck | I used to use sarge on my P3 733 with 2.6.8 |
| 12:22.18 | Plasmoduck | yes |
| 12:22.20 | azeem | chris8487643: that's easily fixed |
| 12:22.25 | Plasmoduck | but not contrib free |
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| 12:23.26 | AlexTurner_ | I am trying to download 'MONDO' apt-get install mondo and my terminal responds with: Package mondo is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:23.27 | AlexTurner_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:23.28 | AlexTurner_ | is only available from another source |
| 12:23.28 | AlexTurner_ | E: Package mondo has no installation candidate |
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| 12:23.55 | chris8487643 | azeem: yes i saw the one lines, but unfortunately is the concerned box in a firewalled intranet and this is a wi*ows pc, with restrictions on outgoing conenctions. actually i'm surprised that IRC works |
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| 12:24.14 | liable | Plasmoduck: theres a -3 686 kernel but i dunno if it will help, is your default 2.4? |
| 12:24.22 | azeem | chris8487643: you can't stay on sarge forever anywy |
| 12:24.22 | AlexTurner_ | Does anyone know what this means? |
| 12:24.36 | azeem | chris8487643: alternatively, you can put testing back into sources.list |
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| 12:25.04 | AlexTurner_ | ?? |
| 12:25.11 | liable | Plasmoduck: how much ram? |
| 12:25.28 | azeem | AlexTurner_: this means that there is no mondo package |
| 12:25.43 | AlexTurner_ | There is, I am reading about it in a Magazine. |
| 12:25.46 | wols | but some other package mentions mondo in its dependencies |
| 12:25.53 | AlexTurner_ | LINUX Journal |
| 12:25.56 | bwlang | anybody tried zimbra? i don't fancy running a totally sepearte apache and mta... bu i do want their web app. can it be configured to use a standard apache end exim? |
| 12:25.56 | liable | haha |
| 12:26.14 | AlexTurner_ | bwlang: Yeah, Zimbra is good |
| 12:26.14 | wols | AlexTurner_: there is a software called mondo, yes. doesn't mean there is a debian package of it |
| 12:26.18 | wols | !tell AlexTurner_ about search |
| 12:26.33 | AlexTurner_ | It says it is for DEBIAN |
| 12:28.55 | chris8487643 | azeem: i have to problem with updating to etch, except for the time it needs. my problem is the resticted access on that box. if i can fix the gpg key it should work with the update to etch (we have an internal mirror, but testing and i think etch is there) |
| 12:28.55 | xand | AlexTurner_: apt-cache search |
| 12:28.55 | azeem | chris8487643: there's no difference between running sarge or etch WRT network, AFAICT |
| 12:28.55 | wols | AlexTurner_: what branch of debian do you run? |
| 12:28.55 | wols | !find mondo etch |
| 12:28.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mondo' (2): mondo ;; mondo-doc. |
| 12:28.56 | AlexTurner_ | Debian, powerpc. |
| 12:28.56 | liable | ding ding ding |
| 12:28.56 | AlexTurner_ | liable: wtf? |
| 12:28.56 | azeem | AlexTurner_: did you run apt-get update? |
| 12:28.57 | AlexTurner_ | no |
| 12:28.58 | liable | AlexTurner_: theres a fire here, sorry... |
| 12:28.58 | azeem | AlexTurner_: did you install via netinst maybe, and have no http in sources.list? |
| 12:28.58 | AlexTurner_ | netinst? |
| 12:28.59 | wols | how did yo install debian and what edbian do you run? |
| 12:29.06 | Kryptor | IM THE CHING CHONG CHINA MAN, I KARATI YOUR ASS |
| 12:29.06 | Plasmoduck | liable, 16mb |
| 12:29.22 | Plasmoduck | liable, yes my default is 2.4 |
| 12:29.27 | Plasmoduck | Linux delta9 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 12:29.31 | Plasmoduck | this is the default |
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| 12:29.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@202-89-160-16.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] by azeem |
| 12:29.37 | *** kick/#debian [Kryptor!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-41-162.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 12:29.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:29.37 | Plasmoduck | I have 192MB ram in here |
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| 12:29.51 | AlexTurner_ | I I installed debian with a netinst CD |
| 12:29.55 | liable | Plasmoduck: eeek, i dont think 16mb is enough for a 2.6 |
| 12:30.14 | Plasmoduck | sorry I was trippin |
| 12:30.16 | Plasmoduck | I got 192MB |
| 12:30.20 | AlexTurner_ | I did apt-get update, and it still doesnt work |
| 12:30.26 | liable | oh, no worries then |
| 12:30.41 | wols | AlexTurner_: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 12:30.51 | AlexTurner_ | a pastebin? |
| 12:30.53 | liable | Plasmoduck: whats the error when it stops? |
| 12:30.55 | azeem | !paste |
| 12:30.55 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 12:30.56 | chris8487643 | azeem: nah, when something is a problem it on our side with the restricted connectivity in the intranet. i have moved to etch in sources.list and i was able to install the packages i need. i'll put the dist-upgrade on my todo list |
| 12:30.56 | wols | !paster |
| 12:30.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:31.01 | Plasmoduck | it just reboots |
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| 12:31.06 | Plasmoduck | when it gets to BOOT |
| 12:31.08 | Plasmoduck | I have |
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| 12:31.12 | Plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.13 | Plasmoduck | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 12:31.13 | Plasmoduck | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-f |
| 12:31.37 | Plasmoduck | ree |
| 12:31.39 | Plasmoduck | deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 12:31.40 | Plasmoduck | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 12:31.45 | wols | !lart Plasmoduck |
| 12:31.51 | liable | Plasmoduck:dont paste please |
| 12:32.06 | liable | Plasmoduck: when it gets to boot? |
| 12:32.14 | Plasmoduck | yes |
| 12:32.15 | AlexTurner_ | Where is sources.list? |
| 12:32.19 | azeem | AlexTurner_: /etc |
| 12:32.24 | liable | Plasmoduck: from lilo? |
| 12:32.30 | Plasmoduck | AlexTurner_, /etc/apt/ |
| 12:32.32 | wols | AlexTurner_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:32.38 | Plasmoduck | liable, from Grub |
| 12:32.54 | Plasmoduck | when I select 2.6.8 and hit enter, about 4 seconds later it reboots |
| 12:33.09 | Plasmoduck | the last line of text I see is BOOT |
| 12:33.10 | Plasmoduck | something |
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| 12:33.24 | Plasmoduck | are you sure 2.6.8-2-686 is correct for AMD K6 500? |
| 12:33.28 | AlexTurner_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5943. |
| 12:33.29 | Plasmoduck | the architecture |
| 12:33.37 | wols | Plasmoduck: do you see it unpacking the kernel and display a lot of text? |
| 12:33.50 | wols | Plasmoduck: it isn't. you need a -486 kernel |
| 12:33.53 | wols | or compile your own |
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| 12:34.23 | liable | Plasmoduck: try a -386 |
| 12:34.26 | wols | !find mondo sarge |
| 12:35.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mondo' (4 of 7): (/usr/share/doc/elkdoc/examples/scheme/mondo.scm) in doc/elkdoc ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions/Completion/Linux/_mondo) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/bristol/bitmaps/blueprints/hammondopts.xpm) in sound/bristol ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-1/functions/Completion/Linux/_mondo) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 12:35.10 | liable | Plasmoduck: i dont really know, but seeing as its an old thing, i would go 386 |
| 12:35.12 | AlexTurner_ | I have powerpc |
| 12:35.27 | AlexTurner_ | I'm new to linux btw |
| 12:35.44 | wols | AlexTurner_: three is no mondo in stable. only in etch |
| 12:35.46 | wols | *there |
| 12:35.46 | Plasmoduck | hmm |
| 12:35.47 | Plasmoduck | brb |
| 12:36.01 | liable | AlexTurner_: and mondo isnt available if you search for it in apt-cache? |
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| 12:36.21 | AlexTurner_ | liable: I only get the docs in apt-cache |
| 12:36.23 | azeem | AlexTurner_: run apt-get update |
| 12:36.43 | AlexTurner_ | i did |
| 12:36.46 | liable | yep, i think i recall a mondo security update |
| 12:36.48 | azeem | !info mondo stable |
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| 12:36.52 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.04-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 1388 kB |
| 12:37.25 | AlexTurner_ | Could someone install it for me, I'll give them ssh access |
| 12:37.31 | azeem | AlexTurner_: no |
| 12:37.37 | AlexTurner_ | azeem: Ok |
| 12:37.44 | wols | azeem: why did dpkg do different things when using !find for etch and sarge? one displayed packages, the other filenames inside packages |
| 12:37.45 | azeem | AlexTurner_: there is a problem with your APT setup, we need to fix this |
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| 12:38.08 | AlexTurner_ | Ok |
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| 12:38.13 | AlexTurner_ | How do I fix it |
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| 12:38.38 | wols | !tell abchirk about cups setup |
| 12:38.42 | liable | AlexTurner_: how ever nice a person seems in irc, *never* give strangers ssh access to your box |
| 12:38.51 | AlexTurner_ | liable: Ok |
| 12:38.51 | azeem | wols: hrm, dunno |
| 12:38.58 | AlexTurner_ | I have a few box's |
| 12:39.08 | AlexTurner_ | This one isn't too important. |
| 12:39.11 | AlexTurner_ | It's a server. |
| 12:39.15 | azeem | AlexTurner_: what does "apt-cache policy mondo" say? |
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| 12:40.02 | AlexTurner_ | Can I paste it, its like 3 lines |
| 12:40.15 | azeem | yes |
| 12:40.19 | AlexTurner_ | mondo: |
| 12:40.19 | abchirk | ... wols ;) |
| 12:40.20 | AlexTurner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.20 | AlexTurner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.20 | AlexTurner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.26 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:40.42 | phaedral | my etch box is choking at boot on "Starting hardware abstraction layer: hald"; not sure what to do |
| 12:41.06 | phaedral | I've tried booting to single user and running apt-get update, then upgrade |
| 12:41.09 | phaedral | no change |
| 12:41.13 | azeem | AlexTurner_: seems your mirror doesn't carry powerpc .debs |
| 12:41.33 | AlexTurner_ | Do you know a mirror that does |
| 12:41.34 | AlexTurner_ | ? |
| 12:41.40 | azeem | AlexTurner_: where do you live? |
| 12:41.46 | azeem | AlexTurner_: you said you're on powerpc, right? |
| 12:42.16 | AlexTurner_ | Yes, this server is powerpc. |
| 12:42.20 | AlexTurner_ | I am in Japan. |
| 12:42.22 | AlexTurner_ | Tokyo. |
| 12:43.01 | azeem | AlexTurner_: "http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/" |
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| 12:43.21 | AlexTurner_ | Do i add that to my sources.list? |
| 12:43.53 | azeem | AlexTurner_: replace "http://ring.asahi-net.or.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian/" with "http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/" and run apt-get update |
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| 12:44.51 | AlexTurner_ | Sweet |
| 12:44.57 | AlexTurner_ | It's updating now |
| 12:45.20 | AlexTurner_ | It's still not installing :( |
| 12:45.42 | Ronin | patience AlexTurner_ |
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| 12:45.58 | AlexTurner_ | ?/ |
| 12:46.03 | liable | phaedral: do you have a cd in a drive? what does apt want to remove if you remove hald? all your gnome shits? |
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| 12:46.05 | azeem | AlexTurner_: bah, the jp mirror doesn't have powerpc either |
| 12:46.08 | azeem | AlexTurner_: sorry |
| 12:46.13 | azeem | AlexTurner_: one sec |
| 12:46.16 | AlexTurner_ | azeem: It's ok |
| 12:46.31 | AlexTurner_ | azeem: A mirror in the states should be ok |
| 12:46.32 | azeem | AlexTurner_: I'll get you one |
| 12:46.33 | liable | wtf? the .jp mirror doesnt have ppc? |
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| 12:47.19 | xand | it does have ppc |
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| 12:47.52 | xand | though not for that package |
| 12:48.08 | liable | thats a bit odd |
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| 12:48.21 | xand | pdo says it's i386 only |
| 12:48.27 | liable | ah |
| 12:48.31 | AlexTurner_ | H,, |
| 12:48.35 | AlexTurner_ | *hmm |
| 12:48.37 | liable | too bad then |
| 12:48.41 | AlexTurner_ | :( |
| 12:49.03 | liable | yep |
| 12:49.45 | liable | AlexTurner_: guess you'll have to compile it. |
| 12:49.55 | liable | AlexTurner_: not a big deal |
| 12:50.00 | xand | it might not work at all |
| 12:50.04 | AlexTurner_ | Nahh, I cant do that if my life depended on it.. lol. |
| 12:50.09 | xand | it looks like it runs outside the OS? |
| 12:50.11 | AlexTurner_ | Ill just find another backup program |
| 12:50.16 | fireba11 | : how to get the number of files in a folder ? |
| 12:50.21 | xand | makes CDs you can boot from etc |
| 12:50.26 | xand | which probably won't work on a mac |
| 12:50.49 | xand | fireba11: ls -a | wc -l? |
| 12:50.53 | liable | fireba11: ls /foo | wc |
| 12:51.28 | liable | fireba11: i think you mean directory :P |
| 12:51.41 | fireba11 | liable: yes of course :-) |
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| 12:52.21 | fireba11 | didn't knwo wc, thanks |
| 12:52.22 | azeem | AlexTurner_: uh right, no mondo for powerpc |
| 12:52.23 | azeem | my bad |
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| 12:54.34 | AlexTurner_ | Is there an open source paste bin app out there/? |
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| 12:54.45 | Ronin | AlexTurner_: yes many |
| 12:54.58 | AlexTurner_ | Where can I find some? |
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| 12:55.14 | canard | hey anibody can help me on python please ..? |
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| 12:55.33 | xand | AlexTurner_: apt-cache search :P |
| 12:55.39 | liable | canard: #python probaly is your best bet |
| 12:55.45 | liable | +b |
| 12:55.46 | canard | must be authentified :/ |
| 12:55.59 | xand | lol "authentified" |
| 12:56.02 | Ronin | then identify canard |
| 12:56.14 | liable | canard: /msg nickserv identify help |
| 12:56.21 | AlexTurner_ | canard: Buy a book, the O'reily one's are great. "Learning Python" |
| 12:56.35 | canard | bah ... |
| 12:56.38 | canard | i have a book |
| 12:56.45 | xand | canard: register your nick, then join the channel |
| 12:56.46 | liable | canard: dude, it aint hard.. |
| 12:56.51 | canard | ok |
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| 12:57.05 | canard | liable, it's not write what i want to make :/ |
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| 12:57.57 | liable | canard: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration |
| 12:58.11 | canard | thx |
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| 13:00.23 | c4nard | ok, i'm registred thanks liable |
| 13:00.37 | liable | yw |
| 13:01.02 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 13:01.11 | liable | !moo |
| 13:01.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:02.04 | holycow | i need to start a particular webserver from init.d as the very last service ... if it starts before pg it hangs. ho do i tell it to load last? when i do update-rc.d defaults it does some automagic i'm not clear on |
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| 13:02.37 | xand | make it check to see if pg is running |
| 13:02.41 | xand | :S |
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| 13:02.50 | liable | holycow: you dont want defaults, you want it to start after whatever pg is |
| 13:02.58 | holycow | oh! |
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| 13:03.28 | liable | holycow: the examples tell you how to start at a certain number, s99 is always safe :) |
| 13:03.52 | holycow | allright maning rc.d ... how do i check what runlevel pg is at? |
| 13:04.11 | liable | unless pg is s99, then it comes down to alphabetics i think |
| 13:04.23 | liable | holycow: ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 13:04.31 | holycow | oh okay danke |
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| 13:04.45 | holycow | oh i see |
| 13:04.48 | holycow | neat, thx |
| 13:04.52 | liable | np |
| 13:04.56 | bas | hmm, my screen session is hanging. does anyone know what could have caused this? |
| 13:05.05 | bas | i think ipressed the wrong key combo... |
| 13:05.06 | tarzeau | bas: ctrl-s ? |
| 13:05.12 | tarzeau | bas: try ctrl-q |
| 13:05.15 | bas | tarzeau: ctrl-q didnt help |
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| 13:05.32 | tarzeau | bas: i've had screen sessions hang... can you disconnect from it? change window? |
| 13:05.32 | bas | tarzeau: if i reattache the session it also doesnt come back up.. it just 'hangs' |
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| 13:05.38 | liable | bas: in a ssh session? |
| 13:05.42 | bas | liable: yup |
| 13:05.48 | tarzeau | bas: yeah, i've had them too. know #screen ? |
| 13:05.57 | liable | bas: maybe your connection has baulked? |
| 13:06.06 | davut | I have compiled a debian kernel and can not boot with it |
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| 13:06.14 | liable | bas: can you connect in another term? |
| 13:06.14 | davut | I get this error messages |
| 13:06.18 | tarzeau | davut: which error msg? which kernel exactly? |
| 13:06.21 | elodeon | When installing, are there benefits to having separate partitions for /home /usr /var etc ? |
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| 13:06.37 | bas | liable: i can't connect in another term, i rebuild the connection in another term |
| 13:06.39 | davut | kernel version is 2.6.19.2 with grsec and vserver patch |
| 13:06.41 | bas | another machine even |
| 13:06.47 | liable | elodeon: home desktop box? |
| 13:06.52 | davut | error messages are as follows : |
| 13:07.02 | davut | fatal module sd_mod not found |
| 13:07.05 | liable | bas: i blame your net connection |
| 13:07.14 | davut | mount:devfs not mounted |
| 13:07.28 | davut | unknown filesystem type devfs |
| 13:07.30 | liable | davut: why are you compiling? |
| 13:07.31 | bas | liable: my net connection is fine, i'm on the machine :) |
| 13:07.42 | davut | pivot_root no such file or directory |
| 13:07.46 | liable | bas: but, what about the route to the server? |
| 13:07.56 | davut | because I need grsecurity and vserver |
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| 13:08.29 | davut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:08.50 | davut | dev/console: no such file |
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| 13:08.53 | elodeon | liable: yes |
| 13:09.00 | davut | kernel panic :P |
| 13:09.07 | davut | can anybody help me |
| 13:09.29 | liable | elodeon: put /home on its own partition, and the rest on its own, except a swap partition too |
| 13:09.48 | liable | elodeon: that way, you can reinstall, and your data in /home stays safe |
| 13:09.57 | bas | liable: i am on the server... all screen sessions are fine, except for this one |
| 13:10.32 | liable | bas: ok |
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| 13:11.35 | HostilePenguin | what is the difference between a shell and a terminal? |
| 13:12.30 | zenbum | riddles are fun |
| 13:12.32 | quitte | HostilePenguin: think of a terminal as a device that has a screen ad a keyboard connected to a serial port |
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| 13:13.37 | liable | HostilePenguin: these days, you can pretty much call it the same thing |
| 13:14.58 | wols | davut: why do you compile in devfs? |
| 13:15.35 | wols | *don't |
| 13:15.38 | davut | ok |
| 13:15.43 | davut | udev |
| 13:15.44 | davut | ? |
| 13:15.49 | quitte | wols devfs is deprecated and broken |
| 13:15.52 | elodeon | thanks |
| 13:15.58 | wols | does the word udev look like "devfs"? |
| 13:16.05 | wols | quitte: tell it to his installation, not me |
| 13:16.28 | wols | quitte: and it's not as if udev isn't broken either... |
| 13:16.51 | davut | wols this is the first time I compile a custom kernel |
| 13:16.52 | quitte | at least it's not that broken |
| 13:17.06 | wols | davut: don't mention it. we can tell |
| 13:17.24 | wols | quitte: is this an old install? or a new one? |
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| 13:17.53 | quitte | i don'T know nothing about his install |
| 13:17.55 | davut | where can I disable devfs and enable udev |
| 13:17.56 | wols | oops. sould have been davut: |
| 13:18.08 | wols | davut: install etch |
| 13:18.23 | liable | well devfs isnt even in .19, so i dunno how you get that error |
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| 13:18.48 | wols | liable: easy. his install/userland wants devfs. it's not in kernels anymore -> BOOM |
| 13:18.49 | quitte | it's probaly an entry in fstab? |
| 13:19.00 | liable | yep |
| 13:19.05 | davut | wols: I downloaded vanilla sources and patched it with grsec and vserver |
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| 13:19.18 | davut | I dunno where did it come from |
| 13:19.21 | wols | davut: I know what you did. but this is irrelevant here. |
| 13:19.32 | h3sp4wn | davut: You can get what you need from backports.org (new udev / initramfs-tools) |
| 13:19.35 | wols | it doesn't come from the kernel but your userland |
| 13:19.50 | wols | davut: is this a new install or an existing older one? |
| 13:19.56 | wols | if it's new: isntall etch instead |
| 13:20.08 | HostilePenguin | when i use sh is that a bash command? |
| 13:20.09 | davut | I installed testing and trying to compile a custom kernel |
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| 13:20.40 | wols | why would etch use devfs? |
| 13:20.53 | wols | what was the ISO you used for installing? |
| 13:21.17 | davut | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:21.47 | davut | I wanna use this debian machine in a production environment |
| 13:21.55 | wols | downloaded from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? when did you download it? |
| 13:22.07 | davut | I am actually using gentoo but it is too hard to maintain on production servers |
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| 13:22.15 | davut | 2 days ago |
| 13:22.43 | eisen | HostilePenguin: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 13:22.57 | davut | I am installing udev |
| 13:23.05 | davut | strange |
| 13:23.06 | davut | :P |
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| 13:23.51 | dareth | They could have released Etch, least as an April Fools eh? |
| 13:24.09 | davut | :P |
| 13:24.37 | davut | I wanna use sarge not etch I want security and stability |
| 13:24.40 | DomiX | hi, does the netboot.tar.gz should work to install a soekris box ? |
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| 13:25.01 | dareth | I could give 2 shits about Etch, I just want some updated packaged *wink* |
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| 13:25.40 | dareth | And your Sarge box is bleeding edge next to my awesome Woody box! |
| 13:26.41 | dareth | Anyone here ever have trouble with Squid caused by Apache2 keepalive? |
| 13:27.30 | dareth | intermittent "Page cannot be displayed", but you can refresh and it works then? |
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| 13:29.41 | liable | hrm, an etch kernel without udev should use the old /dev anyway i think |
| 13:29.47 | liable | no need for devfs |
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| 13:29.52 | liable | no need for udev |
| 13:30.01 | giupy | . |
| 13:30.06 | liable | .. |
| 13:31.25 | davut | actually I want to install sarge but sarge netinst cd didnt recognize my sata disk so I downloaded testing and then edited sources.list and changed testings to sarges. is it relevant |
| 13:31.55 | Tallu | uh, don't do that. |
| 13:32.14 | HostilePenguin | oops |
| 13:32.23 | azeem | davut: you cannot downgrade from testing to stable |
| 13:32.44 | davut | Tallu: so how can I install a secure stable server on a sata disked machine. Can anyone tell me? |
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| 13:32.53 | RichiH | davut: as the current testing will become the new stable soon, it will not hurt too much |
| 13:32.56 | azeem | davut: wait one week till etch releases |
| 13:32.57 | HostilePenguin | etch |
| 13:33.04 | davut | hmmm |
| 13:33.05 | Tallu | etch will release soon |
| 13:33.07 | Tallu | it |
| 13:33.15 | dareth | didn't you say that in December? |
| 13:33.21 | wols | davut: yes. you have a mognrel which doesn't work (tm) |
| 13:33.23 | Tallu | 's already frozen and pretty stable, not too many release critical bugs left |
| 13:33.25 | RichiH | davut: just use the system you installed just now |
| 13:33.26 | davut | but I want security updates. Can I get it with etch now? |
| 13:33.28 | RichiH | that is what i would do :) |
| 13:33.36 | RichiH | davut: yes |
| 13:33.40 | wols | !tell davut about kmuto |
| 13:33.41 | cydork | davut: use etch or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 13:34.05 | HostilePenguin | whats the new testing name going to be? |
| 13:34.09 | wols | but using etch is the better way, or else you have to dist-upgrade again in a month or so. that's not good for a production server. unless you like the additional work |
| 13:34.12 | cydork | HostilePenguin: lenny! |
| 13:34.14 | wols | Lenny |
| 13:34.27 | xand | stupid name |
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| 13:34.54 | dareth | which char is Lenny? |
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| 13:35.01 | cydork | !lenny |
| 13:35.02 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 13:35.05 | HostilePenguin | im pretty excited :( i need a life |
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| 13:35.21 | Kevin` | when's lenny going to be released?!? ;) |
| 13:35.27 | azeem | Kevin`: unknown |
| 13:35.32 | xand | next week |
| 13:35.36 | davut | so can I get security updates for etch till it will be stable |
| 13:35.52 | azeem | davut: security updates are fast-tracked into etch right now |
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| 13:37.02 | dareth | When do we get the "Bo Peep" dist? |
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| 13:37.14 | giupy | hi all |
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| 13:38.41 | dareth | Guy who did Lenny's voice, also did the voice of Wheezy the Penguin in TS2... |
| 13:39.05 | HostilePenguin | anyone using 2.6.20 yet with ati? |
| 13:39.28 | wols | !bo |
| 13:39.28 | dpkg | bo is probably Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
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| 13:42.00 | not_a_k | can i set my date from another date. can i get the date command to output the date in a format that I could paste for the date command on another system |
| 13:43.08 | wols | not_a_k: why not use ntpdate? |
| 13:43.19 | liable | uh, did anyone else understand that question? |
| 13:43.29 | Ronin | not me |
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| 13:44.09 | wols | he wants to use the output of date for input of date on another machine |
| 13:44.15 | wols | so I gathered |
| 13:44.28 | not_a_k | wols: that's right :) |
| 13:44.46 | liable | !win wols |
| 13:44.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:45.10 | liable | not_a_k: do as wols says, and use a real time server to sync it |
| 13:45.10 | cydork | not_a_k: use date --set ? |
| 13:45.27 | cydork | not_a_k: yeah use ntp anyways. |
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| 13:47.05 | not_a_k | date --set isn't accepting the strings i give it.. i'll look into ntp |
| 13:47.45 | wols | not_a_k: apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:47.51 | wols | sets time and date |
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| 13:50.08 | In[d]y | How do I set root's password for MySQL? |
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| 13:50.35 | ChaosR | I have a problem (as always when I come here :P), when I try to burn a DVD it always fails for some reason. Is this problem known, and does someone have a better program for me, than the one standard included with debian (gnomebaker) |
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| 13:50.52 | not_a_k | wols: thanks |
| 13:51.10 | esters | how can i auto startx after loging in |
| 13:51.22 | rue_mohr | how the heck did upgrading firefox end me up with "iceweasel" ? |
| 13:51.44 | esters | thus, i don't need to write "startx" after loging in and i'm automaticly at my DE |
| 13:51.58 | Ronin | !iceweasel |
| 13:51.58 | dpkg | iceweasel is, like, the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 13:52.28 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
| 13:52.45 | wols | esters: install a display manager |
| 13:52.50 | ChaosR | !dvd |
| 13:52.51 | dpkg | hmm... dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check growisofs. |
| 13:53.00 | esters | wols, i don't one, thank you |
| 13:53.08 | wols | In[d]y: look into my.cnf |
| 13:53.17 | In[d]y | k |
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| 13:53.27 | ChaosR | !burn dvd |
| 13:53.38 | wols | !tell ChaosR about msg the bot |
| 13:53.51 | rue_mohr | hah, there are only so many questiosn eh? |
| 13:53.58 | ChaosR | wols: I already start doing that :P |
| 13:54.10 | wols | ChaosR: and "always fails for some reason" is a piss poor error description |
| 13:54.17 | liable | ChaosR: try with just growisofs and also try k3b for a gui burner |
| 13:54.19 | wols | you can try k3b tho |
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| 13:54.51 | ChaosR | wols: if I know the reason, I would have told you |
| 13:55.08 | liable | and thus, we cant help |
| 13:55.28 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 13:55.28 | ChaosR | It *could* have been a known problem |
| 13:55.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:56.19 | wols | ChaosR: "some reason". It gives you an error message. are you incapable of understanding that this error message might be important to know for people trying to help you? |
| 13:57.13 | ChaosR | ok, it gives no error message, if I verify the DVD it claims it ahs been burned perfect, but when I try to use the data on the DVD it fails (read: files are broken) |
| 13:57.16 | rue_mohr | my punishment for not having gone shopping is granola for breakfast |
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| 13:57.47 | jetscreamer | what are you burning |
| 13:57.57 | jetscreamer | use k3b though |
| 13:57.57 | abrotman | beds |
| 13:57.57 | liable | rue_mohr: add beer = breakfast fit for a king |
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| 13:58.22 | wols | abrotman: nobody said who started the fire. the beds are just burning |
| 13:58.37 | rue_mohr | "no, you see officer, beer is all I had left for breakfast..." |
| 13:58.40 | wols | spontaneous combustion no doubt |
| 13:58.43 | Kevin` | hmm I din't know the debian installer had a gui |
| 13:58.45 | Kevin` | does it work well? |
| 13:58.50 | liable | some bacon would be nice though |
| 13:58.52 | ChaosR | jetscreamer: data, ranging from audio to backups to videos |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | wols: ack .. earth is turning! |
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| 13:58.57 | xand | Kevin`: it's identical to the curses one |
| 13:58.57 | jelly | wols: we didn't start the fire! |
| 13:58.58 | jetscreamer | k3b |
| 13:58.58 | liable | mmmmmm, bacon |
| 13:59.01 | xand | except you can use the mouse |
| 13:59.06 | ChaosR | jetscreamer: already downing it |
| 13:59.12 | wols | jelly: that's another song. another era even :) |
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| 13:59.22 | jetscreamer | do k3bsetup before you try it eh |
| 13:59.48 | chris8487643 | azeem: thank you for your help. i'm running etch now everything ok (just the apache config needed some tweacking and some packages were not automatically installed because they could not be verified/authenticated) |
| 13:59.50 | rue_mohr | use cdrecord and mkisofs |
| 13:59.53 | jelly | wols: I know, but it's an adequate response |
| 14:00.09 | liable | rue_mohr: cdrecord doesnt do dvd's |
| 14:00.17 | liable | rue_mohr: growisofs |
| 14:00.29 | liable | and cdrecord is called some silly name now |
| 14:00.37 | Kevin` | wodim |
| 14:00.38 | rue_mohr | erm, iirc it does, not that I have one of those new-fangled dvd recorders |
| 14:00.39 | cydork | wodim |
| 14:00.45 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 14:00.46 | ChaosR | YaY, I can now manually set the buffer, amybe increasing it to 128mb will solve the problem |
| 14:01.09 | Kevin` | i've normally used growisofs for dvds, and that works fine |
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| 14:01.17 | rue_mohr | firefox->iceweasel cdrecord->wodim ?!?!!? is NOTHING sacred!?! |
| 14:01.17 | cahoot | ChaosR: http://axljab.homelinux.org/DVD_writing |
| 14:02.28 | h3sp4wn | rue_mohr: freedom (defined by DFSG) is hence the above |
| 14:02.37 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 14:03.04 | rue_mohr | well, I'll make sure to not upgrade cdrecord then |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | liable: that's better than other farm animals :) |
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| 14:04.41 | rue_mohr | so if I upgrade thunderbird will I end up with rainshark? |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | icedove |
| 14:04.54 | rue_mohr | haha |
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| 14:05.12 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 14:05.12 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey). |
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| 14:05.23 | me_here_ | eheh sunmouse |
| 14:05.23 | rue_mohr | hahaha |
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| 14:05.43 | h3sp4wn | rue_mohr: Only one I think is strange is openssl - the license to me implies it should be in non-free (From the license clause part of it) |
| 14:05.55 | me_here_ | wahah windhund |
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| 14:06.22 | rue_mohr | when will windows be called heavycow ? |
| 14:06.36 | abrotman | joke's over? |
| 14:06.40 | Azar | :) |
| 14:06.43 | me_here_ | when the horn are set up |
| 14:06.50 | rue_mohr | longhorn? |
| 14:07.00 | rue_mohr | heh |
| 14:07.28 | Azar | .. and aptitude will be called "milkyway" |
| 14:07.36 | me_here_ | lol |
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| 14:07.52 | wols | shouldm't you all go away and come back on sunday? |
| 14:07.59 | abrotman | Azar: you're not helping |
| 14:08.03 | Ronin | or at least #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:08.14 | Azar | :) abrotman you forgot how is to be young |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. no i haven't |
| 14:08.35 | rue_mohr | I have to go to work to.... |
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| 14:12.53 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.33 | Kevin` | heh didn't we explain that before? |
| 14:13.33 | jetscreamer | linux knows all? |
| 14:13.46 | me_here_ | irule: it's the installation part which provides the modules for actually mounting the drive so..... |
| 14:14.25 | me_here_ | irule: once in and kernel up it loads all necessary modules even remembering those at install phase |
| 14:14.35 | Kevin` | irule, the bootloader loads the kernel image and initrd into ram using bios routines |
| 14:14.57 | Kevin` | when the kernel boots it mounts the initrd and runs the commands there, which load the moudules and mount the real root fs |
| 14:15.36 | Kevin` | (actually it doesn't itself need to mount the root fs, it just needs to exit, iirc, but that really doesn't matter) |
| 14:16.20 | aDDONiC | hi, i have put together a dual xeon box 2*2400hz, and was thinking of trying out debian. Does the latest debian 3.1r5 detect dual cpus or do i have to install smp after the install.. |
| 14:16.35 | Kevin` | of course, you don't HAVE to do it this way. if you compile the needed drivers into the kernel you don't need the initrd at all |
| 14:17.03 | petemc | aDDONiC: you'll need to install a -smp kernel for sarge believe, etch kernels are all smp |
| 14:17.06 | Kevin` | aDDONiC personally i'd recommend installing the soon to be released debian 4.0 |
| 14:17.32 | aDDONiC | okay.... any release date for 4.0 ? |
| 14:17.47 | petemc | soon -ish |
| 14:17.55 | aDDONiC | then i will wait..... |
| 14:18.02 | aDDONiC | thx for the help |
| 14:18.05 | petemc | its very usable |
| 14:18.05 | Ronin | aDDONiC: may not, its pretty darn stable currently |
| 14:18.42 | Kevin` | there's no real reason to wait, that's what the "update" process is for :) |
| 14:19.15 | aDDONiC | :) |
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| 14:23.11 | filleokus | red hot chili peppers - walkabout |
| 14:23.11 | filleokus | grym låt |
| 14:23.12 | filleokus | :) |
| 14:23.16 | filleokus | oh sorry |
| 14:23.23 | filleokus | wrong window |
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| 14:24.50 | Ronin | but an excellent choice never teh less filleokus |
| 14:25.04 | filleokus | haha |
| 14:25.07 | filleokus | yeah |
| 14:26.00 | frankr | ping |
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| 14:28.44 | Kevin` | how do I change what partitions grub will try to boot from? other then just editing the grub config file - that won't work for new kernels will it? |
| 14:28.50 | Kevin` | the installer detected them wrong |
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| 14:30.17 | Coke | Hi. I'm trying to use lftp in passive mode, lftp> set ftp:passive-mode on and then I "ls", but it "hangs" as if it wasn't in passive mode. How can I check that it really is using pasv? gftp works fine witht he same destination host. |
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| 14:31.48 | Ronin | frankr: why you versining me? |
| 14:32.03 | frankr | I pinged you, testing my internet |
| 14:32.03 | Ronin | and why cant i read doh, never mind |
| 14:32.06 | frankr | its slow today. |
| 14:32.22 | Ronin | must have put my glasses on upside down or something |
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| 14:34.40 | cydork | Kevin`: something is wrong with update-grub then. As it should find the correct device. |
| 14:35.18 | Kevin` | cydork I have 5 hard drives, two on an expansion card, one sata. i'm not so suprised :) |
| 14:35.37 | tarzeau | Coke: run a sniffer? ngrep or tcpdump? try verbose mode? |
| 14:35.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:35.43 | dpkg | < koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
| 14:35.51 | Kevin` | however, if you want to try to fix it, I will run command and display files or whatever |
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| 14:35.58 | abrotman | coke: stop using ftp :) |
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| 14:36.35 | Coke | abrotman: hehe. and use... ? |
| 14:36.49 | Coke | I switched PASV to off and it started working, odd. |
| 14:37.02 | Coke | But I still have no idea how to check whether it's active or not. |
| 14:37.11 | Kevin` | cydork the drive is detected in debian as "hdf", it put the boot entry as hd2, while it should have been hd0 |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | scp ? |
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| 14:37.32 | abrotman | coke: do you have firewalls in between ? |
| 14:38.14 | Coke | abrotman: dunno. I just needed to know how to check that lftp really was using pasv (or not). |
| 14:38.28 | Coke | abrotman: but now that it works setting pasv to off I can pressume that it was in pasv mode before. |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:39.20 | Coke | Does Windoze boxes support incoming scp? |
| 14:39.40 | cydork | Kevin`: it checks for fstab iirc. |
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| 14:39.52 | abrotman | coke: not likely .. it's actually secure |
| 14:39.56 | abrotman | Daveman: hi! |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | s |
| 14:40.03 | abrotman | losers |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:40.17 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
| 14:40.21 | Kevin` | cydork how does it determine the bios drive order? |
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| 14:41.35 | wols | Coke: when you run openssh: yes |
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| 14:42.12 | cydork | Kevin`: can you paste the entries which it put in? along with the which should be there? |
| 14:42.29 | Coke | wols: already checked, it's not included. |
| 14:42.32 | Kevin` | cydork erm, I suppose, moment. |
| 14:42.51 | wols | as I told you: IF you run openssh |
| 14:43.00 | wols | and there are tons of openssh versions for windows |
| 14:43.01 | hark | Coke: there's winscp too |
| 14:43.13 | wols | hark: that's a client. he asks for a serve |
| 14:43.15 | wols | +r |
| 14:43.24 | Coke | wols: yeah, the ftp is already up and running, I just figured scp could be the way to go if it was "default" on windows. |
| 14:43.40 | xand | ew ftp |
| 14:43.47 | hark | ha.. openssh then |
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| 14:46.09 | Kevin` | heh that's funny |
| 14:46.20 | Kevin` | I think debian detected them in a different order this time |
| 14:46.30 | dudeman | people in new york are assholes |
| 14:46.41 | abrotman | is that all you have to say? |
| 14:46.45 | abrotman | Kevin`: udev rules |
| 14:46.58 | cydork | :) |
| 14:47.17 | dudeman | 3 people almost side swiped me yesterday. no indicator, just cut in front of me outta no where |
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| 14:47.41 | Kevin` | abrotman that can be used in the initrd? |
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| 14:47.51 | Kevin` | the boot drive has a different name sometimes |
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| 14:47.59 | Kevin` | sometimes hdb, sometimes hdf |
| 14:48.07 | Kevin` | in the bios it's always the same of course.. |
| 14:48.13 | dudeman | that used to happen to my dvd/cd drives |
| 14:48.14 | ChaosR | well thanks, it seems my DVDs work now |
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| 14:50.09 | Coke | Kevin`: if you're using udev you can probably specify exactly what hardware is named what. |
| 14:50.20 | Kevin` | ok, how? :) |
| 14:50.29 | Plasmoduck | how do you link /usr/src/linux-blah to /usr/src/linux ?? |
| 14:50.30 | Plasmoduck | nemski ln -sf? |
| 14:50.40 | Kevin` | now it's back to hdf again, and booted properly (with modified menu.lst) |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | man ln |
| 14:51.11 | wols | Plasmoduck: ln -sf as root |
| 14:51.19 | Kevin` | ln -s linux-blah /usr/src/linux |
| 14:51.41 | Kevin` | I assume you mean linux-> linux-blah |
| 14:52.22 | Plasmoduck | wols, thought so, cheers :) |
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| 14:54.50 | frankr | how can I figure out what package this file is in libsicuuc.a |
| 14:55.03 | frankr | isn't there some apt file searching thing? |
| 14:55.12 | tarzeau | frankr: there's packages.debian.org |
| 14:55.58 | Kevin` | so, while the system is working, how can I use udev to make things magically work? |
| 14:55.59 | Daveman | darn |
| 14:56.07 | Daveman | stupid wx, don't fail me now! :[ |
| 14:56.15 | jimbalaya | I'm really sorry if this is 'one of those questions', but, I'm wondering about the etch release - when it's released, "testing" gets copied over to "stable", and "sid" gets copied over to "testing" ... right? |
| 14:56.25 | Kevin` | i'll get ssh working and pastebin the grub config file, but it basically used hd2 instead of hd0 |
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| 14:56.32 | frankr | how would I go about installing a 32bit version of the package with that file in it into my /emul/linux-ia32/ folder? |
| 14:56.37 | jetscreamer | no sid stays sid |
| 14:56.46 | jetscreamer | testing gets a new name |
| 14:56.53 | jetscreamer | lenny iirc |
| 14:57.22 | jetscreamer | sid stays unstable rather |
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| 14:58.17 | frankr | dpkg --root=/emul/linux-ia32 -i libicu28-dev_2.8-4_i386.deb ? |
| 14:59.12 | jimbalaya | so, since the release is theoretically soonish, it would probably be better to build a debian testing system now, and then change sources.list to point to stable after etch is released? (i'll have to do some kernel work, and make some modules, so i'm trying to figure out a way to not do it twice-once now and once after stable is updated) |
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| 14:59.22 | elodeon | i'm installing using a Netinst CD - I chose for it to get and install a few software package, but it's been stuck at file 59 of 701 (at 5%) for over the past hour. What's the best thing to do now? |
| 14:59.42 | wols | ctrl+c |
| 14:59.49 | wols | and retry |
| 14:59.58 | wols | if that doesn't work: different mirror? |
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| 14:59.59 | elodeon | would that interrupt the installation process? |
| 15:00.04 | elodeon | i'm stilli in the installation |
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| 15:00.18 | elodeon | you know the Curses display with the installation |
| 15:00.33 | elodeon | i don't want to interrupt the installation process |
| 15:00.45 | wols | JoshH: yes |
| 15:00.49 | wols | jimbalaya: yes |
| 15:01.03 | elodeon | would hitting ESC interrupt the installation process itself? or would it take me back to the menu to install software? |
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| 15:01.34 | frankr | how do I force installation of a package even if the arch is wrong into a different directory? I'm on amd64 and trying to install a 32bit pkg into my /emul/linux-ia32/ folder |
| 15:02.07 | wols | man dpkg |
| 15:02.18 | wols | there are --force options |
| 15:02.23 | elodeon | if i press ESC now, would it interrupt or disrupt the installation ? |
| 15:02.36 | b^j | i am trying to compile amanda from sources and when i run the configure script i get "configure: error: *** --with-user=USER is missing", anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:02.54 | wols | give it the option it wants/needs? |
| 15:02.59 | wols | it exactly tells you which one... |
| 15:03.13 | cxemka | how to make bind secondary to tinydns? i've added "&aiya01.informika.ru:85.142.20.146:a:259200" at the on of data file, but bind logs that connection timeouted |
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| 15:03.49 | cydork | frankr: or better to implement chroot |
| 15:03.55 | abrotman | cxemka: make it a slave ? |
| 15:04.04 | abrotman | cxemka: did you tell bind to be a slave in the named.conf ? |
| 15:04.10 | cxemka | abrotman, yes |
| 15:04.32 | frankr | cydork, how do I do that? I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial somewhere.. |
| 15:05.02 | cxemka | that's what bind logs: |
| 15:05.02 | cxemka | Apr 3 18:42:00 [named] transfer of 'student.su/IN' from 194.186.121.234#53: failed to connect: timed out |
| 15:05.02 | cxemka | Apr 3 18:42:00 [named] transfer of 'student.su/IN' from 194.186.121.234#53: end of transfer |
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| 15:05.15 | abrotman | woohoo .. free IP! |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | cxemka: sounds like a problem on the master side |
| 15:05.29 | Daveman | :p |
| 15:05.31 | abrotman | or with a firewall |
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| 15:05.32 | petemc | cxemka: zone "foo.com" { type slave; file "db.foo.com"; masters { 1.2.3.4; };}; |
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| 15:05.46 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 15:05.51 | abrotman | oh .. nice one! |
| 15:05.54 | Daveman | :D |
| 15:05.55 | petemc | heh |
| 15:06.31 | Daveman | haha |
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| 15:06.32 | abrotman | petemc: my family is coming to visit next month .. and they all want to go get cheesesteaks .. which i really don't understand :) |
| 15:06.41 | Daveman | heh |
| 15:06.43 | petemc | abrotman: they're delicious! |
| 15:06.43 | cxemka | abrotman, on the master side for sure, but I don't know how to make this tinydns be a master |
| 15:06.43 | xand | wtf is a "cheesestake" |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | "Come on .. it's just meat in a bun!" |
| 15:06.47 | Daveman | It's Phillilicious! |
| 15:06.50 | wols | we call those "cordon bleu" |
| 15:06.54 | wols | sounds much better :P |
| 15:06.56 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 15:06.56 | xand | Daveman you stalker |
| 15:06.56 | dpkg | methinks cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 15:06.59 | abrotman | xand: ^^ |
| 15:07.02 | Daveman | xand: shoo |
| 15:07.06 | wols | than "schnitzel with ham and cheese" :P |
| 15:07.16 | abrotman | cxemka: ah .. i thought you were asking a bind question :) |
| 15:07.17 | Daveman | hah |
| 15:07.20 | abrotman | petemc: they are good |
| 15:07.27 | Daveman | Indeedily. |
| 15:07.31 | b^j | why does dpkg know about cheesesteak? |
| 15:07.34 | Daveman | abrotman, been enjoying the weather as of late? |
| 15:07.38 | abrotman | b^j: foodies |
| 15:07.41 | wols | dpkg knows everything |
| 15:07.41 | dpkg | Yes, I do, wols. |
| 15:07.53 | abrotman | Daveman: no .. i've been kind of ill .. and too much work .. i haven't been out riding once |
| 15:07.57 | Daveman | a bit cool in the evening, but it's nice to be able to go outside,... and well, do things, on a regular basis, in my opinion. |
| 15:08.01 | Daveman | abrotman :( |
| 15:08.05 | cxemka | abrotman, no, it's tinydns question. |
| 15:08.07 | abrotman | yeah. . no kidding |
| 15:08.15 | Daveman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.15 | cxemka | so is there someone who knows tinydns? |
| 15:08.18 | abrotman | cxemka: is there a firewall in between ? |
| 15:08.28 | Daveman | I plan on doing likewise, again, today ;) |
| 15:08.28 | elodeon | my installer is stuck at the "Installing the Base System" phase , while downloading software from some mirror, how do I cancel the current download, and will it stop the installation process or continue to finish the installation ? |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | Daveman: snow on saturday! :) |
| 15:08.36 | cxemka | abrotman, only iptables on the tinydns machine |
| 15:08.39 | Daveman | In part, because it's _fucking awesome_ outside. |
| 15:08.50 | abrotman | cxemka: is it accepting 53 on tcp and udp ? |
| 15:08.52 | Daveman | abrotman, way to spoil my perfect weather from here on out, idea ;) |
| 15:08.54 | b^j | anyone know how to fix this "configure: error: *** --with-user=USER is missing"? |
| 15:08.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:09.03 | petemc | cxemka: is it set to allow transfers to the slave? |
| 15:09.14 | cxemka | abrotman, i checked it first. yes it accepts |
| 15:09.18 | elodeon | b^j: did you enter the ==with-user=USER switch ? |
| 15:09.25 | elodeon | for your script ? |
| 15:09.37 | Daveman | uggh, rain tomorrow ~_~ |
| 15:09.38 | cxemka | petemc, i think yes |
| 15:09.47 | Daveman | whatever, I can reap the rewards of today's weather. |
| 15:09.48 | petemc | cxemka: double check... |
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| 15:10.01 | b^j | elodeon, no, there was no mention of doing that in the install docs, will try that |
| 15:10.17 | cxemka | petemc, this is dns machine, it must accept connection to 53 |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | Daveman: i won't get out today either probably |
| 15:10.41 | elodeon | yeah you should try it, like wols said |
| 15:10.45 | Daveman | Unfortunate :[ |
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| 15:10.59 | Daveman | abrotman, I think you should leave work early :P |
| 15:11.00 | elodeon | wols : my installer is stuck at the "Installing the Base System" phase , while downloading software from some mirror, how do I cancel the current download, and will it stop the installation process or continue to finish the installation ? |
| 15:11.11 | elodeon | just double checking your previous answer to me |
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| 15:12.26 | cxemka | i can show output of iptables -L. it's not too long, only 40 lines |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | Daveman: too much work darn it |
| 15:12.45 | cxemka | can someone help me? |
| 15:12.52 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:12.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | cxemka: put it there |
| 15:13.05 | cxemka | http://rafb.net/p/2KgRhB53.html |
| 15:13.10 | abrotman | Daveman: it will only be about 65F today .. a bit too cold for my riding tastes |
| 15:13.11 | petemc | cxemka: you can verify is port 53 is open with telnet, you need to make sure tinydns is configured to transfer to the secondary |
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| 15:13.30 | cxemka | petemc, do you use tinydns? |
| 15:13.36 | petemc | negative |
| 15:13.38 | petemc | i use bind9 |
| 15:13.58 | petemc | im sure the same principles apply tho.. |
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| 15:14.15 | Daveman | abrotman, sissy. :[ |
| 15:14.26 | abrotman | Daveman: i *hate* cold weather .. |
| 15:14.29 | wols | elodeon: how big is the ISO you downloaded for installing debian? |
| 15:14.36 | Daveman | of that, I am aware -_- |
| 15:14.36 | abrotman | Daveman: if i had it my way .. 95F every day |
| 15:14.41 | Daveman | UGGH |
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| 15:14.54 | Daveman | mv abrotman /nevada/deathvalley |
| 15:15.03 | Daveman | >:) |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | Daveman: panama is my best bet i think |
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| 15:15.14 | Gathond | I can't do anything but sit starring into the air thinking ... hot ... hooooot |
| 15:15.28 | Daveman | Gathond, that's assuming you're still conscious! |
| 15:15.37 | Gathond | Daveman: yeah |
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| 15:15.51 | Gathond | Daveman: but where I live it doesn't get that hot:) |
| 15:15.51 | Daveman | It's like... ugggggh.... braaaaaaaiiiinnn.... meeeeeeeellltttinggg...... |
| 15:16.04 | Daveman | Oh, heh; I suppose that's nice ;) |
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| 15:16.14 | abrotman | i go bike riding when it's 95F :) |
| 15:16.14 | Daveman | hahahaha |
| 15:16.18 | Gathond | actually I'm sure some people would think the hottest summer day here coolish |
| 15:16.22 | geosparky | hi, I'm running etch and I just discovered that files like /dev/null, /dev/zero, /dev/rand etc. are missing. Is this normal? |
| 15:16.23 | Daveman | You don't "go out", in the summer, here. |
| 15:16.23 | Ronin | abrotman: indeed, one just rides slower and drinks more watter |
| 15:16.26 | xand | Daveman: isn't it cool in your cave? |
| 15:16.31 | abrotman | Ronin: not really :) |
| 15:16.34 | Daveman | xands, yeth ^_^ |
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| 15:16.42 | abrotman | -40C = -40F, -30C = -22F, -20C = -4F, -10C = 14F, 0C = 32F, 10C = 50F, 20C = 68F, 30C = 86F, 40C = 104F |
| 15:16.43 | Gathond | ahhh way to hot:) |
| 15:17.20 | Xeh | http://www.voinaroz.lv/?auk=2i1i18g2oxz Check it out ;) |
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| 15:17.26 | Ronin | Gathond: dont forget the humidity too |
| 15:17.30 | Daveman | Gathond 35? |
| 15:17.30 | Ronin | no thanks xeh |
| 15:17.31 | abrotman | LOVE IT! |
| 15:17.40 | Gathond | Daveman: google says so yeah |
| 15:17.41 | geosparky | at least, if they're not missing, I can't see them on when I ls /dev |
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| 15:17.46 | Daveman | bah |
| 15:17.50 | Daveman | abrotman: hate it |
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| 15:18.00 | Daveman | The heatses, we hates it. |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | geosparky: no .. not normal .. |
| 15:18.17 | jetscreamer | fisssssh |
| 15:19.14 | maddash | what purpose does /var/run/sudo/`whoami` have? |
| 15:19.45 | geosparky | abortman, I spoke to soon. They are there so it's probably something I'm doing wrong. Thanks for the reply |
| 15:20.01 | abrotman | ok :) |
| 15:22.12 | elodeon | is there an alternative to hard reboot in an install stuck at "select and install software" ? |
| 15:22.15 | abrotman | go to the terminal and kill it ? |
| 15:22.31 | Gathond | ctrl-alt-delete might make the installer reboot |
| 15:22.31 | elodeon | terminal as in Alt+F3 ? |
| 15:22.42 | Gathond | provided that is configured in the installers init |
| 15:22.46 | elodeon | will that fuck up my incomplete installation ? |
| 15:22.52 | elodeon | and the partitions etc? |
| 15:22.59 | Gathond | elodeon: it will leave it in whatever state it is in:) |
| 15:23.05 | elodeon | ugh |
| 15:23.11 | Gathond | elodeon: whether that is fucked up depends on where exactly:) |
| 15:23.23 | Gathond | elodeon: it probably won't just work though |
| 15:23.30 | elodeon | what do you mean? |
| 15:23.36 | elodeon | i should repeat the installation all over again ? |
| 15:23.45 | elodeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.45 | Gathond | well is this before or after the first reboot? |
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| 15:23.57 | elodeon | before . during the installation |
| 15:23.57 | wols | elodeon: have you done tasksel already? |
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| 15:24.14 | node3667 | spam alert on debian-bugs-dist at lists.debian.org ? |
| 15:24.21 | elodeon | task sel or software select ? |
| 15:24.23 | Gathond | I think I would start over, but someone here might know a trick, I almost never reinstall anything |
| 15:24.34 | elodeon | lucky you |
| 15:25.14 | elodeon | we mortals almost never can not reinstall anything |
| 15:25.35 | wols | so again: what ISO did you use to install? how big is it? |
| 15:25.42 | elodeon | 158 |
| 15:25.50 | elodeon | netinst cd , daily |
| 15:26.03 | wols | that one has base install on the CD, doesn't fetch it from the net |
| 15:26.13 | elodeon | but then i told to go get some software and install it too |
| 15:26.24 | elodeon | told it |
| 15:26.24 | wols | how did you tell it to? |
| 15:26.35 | wols | and you said "base install" earlier. so what is it? |
| 15:26.49 | elodeon | it gave me a list of software (including "base system") like dns, email, etc, |
| 15:26.55 | elodeon | and i select some of it |
| 15:27.03 | wols | that is tasksel. have you already installed grub? |
| 15:27.05 | elodeon | then i got the red download/verify/install progress bar |
| 15:27.12 | elodeon | no. |
| 15:27.16 | elodeon | no grub yet |
| 15:27.27 | wols | then your system is not bootable. reinstall and this time DON'T use tasksel |
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| 15:27.31 | wols | for anything. it's shit |
| 15:27.32 | elodeon | unless you mean the partitions |
| 15:27.46 | wols | when I say grub, I mean grub |
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| 15:28.07 | elodeon | right |
| 15:28.08 | elodeon | ok. |
| 15:28.10 | elodeon | thanks |
| 15:28.19 | jetscreamer | !find apt-cache |
| 15:28.23 | elodeon | i'll do that - no tasksel. thanks |
| 15:28.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-cache' (5 of 6): (/usr/bin/apt-cache) in admin/apt ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-cache.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/doc/libapt-pkg-perl/examples/apt-cache) in perl/libapt-pkg-perl ;; (/usr/share/doc/med-doc/talks/200210_lux_internal/apt-cache.png) in doc/med-doc ;; (/usr/sbin/apt-cacher, /etc/init.d/apt-cacher, /etc/default/apt-cacher) in net/apt-cacher. |
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| 15:29.13 | wols | install your stuff afterwards with aptitude or apt-get |
| 15:29.23 | elodeon | will do. thanks |
| 15:29.30 | HyperDevi | how do i disable screen blanking in debian ? (default 60 min) on the console... |
| 15:29.50 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a factoid about that |
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| 15:30.30 | jetscreamer | !screen blanking |
| 15:30.31 | dpkg | i guess screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. |
| 15:30.56 | HyperDevi | how can i disable it by default? |
| 15:31.00 | HyperDevi | when i reboot it is on again |
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| 15:31.19 | wols | HyperDevi: inittab I think |
| 15:31.30 | HyperDevi | me to, but how.. |
| 15:31.42 | jetscreamer | setterm -blank 0 ? |
| 15:32.09 | HyperDevi | will it execute commends link that in the inittab? |
| 15:32.12 | wols | not in inittab :/. then you write your own startup script |
| 15:33.09 | eisen | you could use /etc/rc.local |
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| 15:34.06 | node3667 | any debian admin here ? spam flooding bugs lists... |
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| 15:36.29 | hark | !dpms |
| 15:36.30 | dpkg | it has been said that dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 15:37.57 | rahul | dudeman: you fool |
| 15:37.59 | rahul | heh |
| 15:38.07 | rahul | !penixstrike dudeman |
| 15:38.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dudeman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 15:38.28 | rahul | you gotta use your peripherial vision |
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| 15:44.14 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having problems installing eclipse? It seems that way down the dependancy line something is depending on "libxxt6" which doesn't exist |
| 15:44.54 | twobitsprite | actually, the package it is looking for is libx*xt6 where the * is some strange character that looks like an 'a' but has a small circle above it... |
| 15:45.00 | mindframe_laptop | do i have to use apt's pinning function to install a package from the stable branch?(im running etch) |
| 15:45.06 | twobitsprite | for some reason my X clipboard isn't grabbing that char |
| 15:45.20 | twobitsprite | I don't see anything in the bugs database for this... |
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| 15:47.03 | twobitsprite | (btw, I'm in etch) |
| 15:48.35 | rahul | where's that stoned boy |
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| 15:52.46 | MrWup | guys im scrood i need help urgently |
| 15:52.57 | MrWup | ive just installed debian testing |
| 15:53.04 | MrWup | and xserver weont start |
| 15:53.11 | MrWup | it givesd errors saying it cant detect the mouse |
| 15:53.15 | MrWup | i tried all sorts of things |
| 15:53.23 | MrWup | its a standard ps/2 mouse which was working with the stable debian |
| 15:53.30 | MrWup | but now that ive gone to testing it wont detect |
| 15:53.36 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:53.37 | Christoph_vW | is 'Ron' the mingw32 maintainer here? |
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| 15:54.04 | wols | MrWup: /dev/psaux |
| 15:54.09 | MrWup | i tried that |
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| 15:54.18 | MrWup | doesnt detect either |
| 15:54.29 | MrWup | i tried psaux, mice, mouse0, mouse1, mouse2, mouse3 |
| 15:54.36 | valdyn | !psmouse |
| 15:54.47 | valdyn | MrWup: uname -r |
| 15:54.49 | MrWup | and protocol, auto, ps/2 ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:55.03 | wols | if you have a wheel: imps/2 |
| 15:55.03 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.24 | maddash | why does aptitude upgrade me into "Linux hoha 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" even though I'm on a celeron cpu (one core)? |
| 15:55.49 | petemc | maddash: all recent kernels are now smp |
| 15:55.56 | valdyn | maddash: because the standard 686 debian kernel is smp now |
| 15:56.00 | MrWup | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 15:56.01 | valdyn | maddash: 386 isnt i believe |
| 15:56.06 | MrWup | !psmouse command not found |
| 15:56.23 | MrWup | doesnt work with imps/2 either |
| 15:56.26 | jatt | valdyn: that's unfortunate since it leads to bloat for users without SMP machines |
| 15:56.34 | valdyn | jatt: bloat? |
| 15:56.42 | valdyn | jatt: do you understand what you are talking about? |
| 15:56.50 | Harzilein | jatt: the overhead it adds is negligible, it says so even in the config dialog |
| 15:57.01 | valdyn | jatt: don't you think that the debian kernel maintainers know better how much overhead is caused by smp? |
| 15:57.15 | Harzilein | jatt: there's a thousand other things you could unbload before looking into that |
| 15:57.25 | maddash | valdyn, petemc: cool. |
| 15:57.27 | Harzilein | *unbloat |
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| 15:57.41 | MrWup | it just wont detect |
| 15:57.48 | MrWup | ive tried rebooting with different mice attached too |
| 15:57.51 | MrWup | none of em detect |
| 15:57.56 | valdyn | MrWup stop talking |
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| 15:58.14 | wols | !tell MrWup about enter |
| 15:58.41 | MrWup | ok sorry, its just ive been working on this for days now |
| 15:58.43 | wols | MrWup: does your kernel detect the mouse? |
| 15:58.46 | valdyn | MrWup: lsmod | grep mousedev |
| 15:58.47 | MrWup | to get debian detecting hardware properly |
| 15:59.01 | MrWup | oops. old habits die hard. damned enter key |
| 15:59.25 | Christoph_vW | is 'Ron Lee' here sometimes? |
| 15:59.47 | Harzilein | MrWup: it is okay, i think the only thing that got made unreadable was your own message |
| 15:59.48 | valdyn | Christoph_vW: this isnt a hangout channel for debian devs |
| 15:59.51 | azeem | Christoph_vW: why? |
| 16:00.21 | Christoph_vW | because I want to talk to him about a custom mingw 4.1.2 build |
| 16:00.34 | azeem | Christoph_vW: send him a mail, I guess |
| 16:00.36 | MrWup | psmouse shows up in the list |
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| 16:00.57 | valdyn | MrWup: i asked about mousedev |
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| 16:01.05 | azeem | Christoph_vW: I don't think he's doing IRC |
| 16:01.36 | MrWup | oh |
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| 16:01.58 | trukosh | Hi, i accidently did a "chown -R myuser.myuser /etc" - is there a way to automatically repair the file ownerships? |
| 16:02.10 | azeem | trukosh: root:root would be a start |
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| 16:02.12 | valdyn | trukosh: restore from backup |
| 16:02.20 | azeem | trukosh: but information is lost |
| 16:02.42 | MrWup | mousedev isnt there |
| 16:02.55 | valdyn | MrWup: 'modprobe mousedev' |
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| 16:03.10 | Harzilein | i'd do it semi-automatically, grepping the postinst scripts and possibly still existing install packages |
| 16:03.30 | trukosh | azeem: root.root is done. But i think, there are some files/folders that do need other ownership. |
| 16:03.35 | MrWup | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 16:03.43 | azeem | trukosh: yes, see valdyn's suggestion for that |
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| 16:04.03 | valdyn | MrWup: now type 'cat /dev/input/mice' and wiggle your mouse around ( ctrl-c to abort ) |
| 16:04.14 | trukosh | valdyn: There is a backup, but i would prefer another way, if there was one .. |
| 16:04.34 | valdyn | trukosh: the other way is way harder |
| 16:04.37 | azeem | trukosh: then extract the ownership from the latest backup, and only chwon |
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| 16:04.56 | MrWup | yeah loads of junk comes up when i move the mouse |
| 16:05.01 | valdyn | trukosh: like puring and reinstalling every single package that has junk in /etc |
| 16:05.09 | valdyn | MrWup: so you mouse works |
| 16:05.09 | cbr | is etch release approaching or is it going to be postponed for long? |
| 16:05.15 | MrWup | YESSSS |
| 16:05.18 | valdyn | MrWup: try the same thing with /dev/psaux |
| 16:05.20 | \amethyst | trukosh: problem is, most of those things are conffiles, so reinstalling the packages aren't enough---you have to go back to the default configuration, too |
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| 16:05.22 | MrWup | the xserver now starts |
| 16:05.28 | MrWup | ahhhhaaaaa valdyn thankyou =] |
| 16:05.34 | \amethyst | s/aren/isn/ |
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| 16:05.39 | valdyn | MrWup: you're not done. |
| 16:05.55 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 16:05.55 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 16:06.16 | Harzilein | trukosh: first, try packages you still have lying around in the cache, use the information in them. then, egrep 'ch(mod|own)' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst. then add the information from the backup. you should be fine even for new packages then. |
| 16:06.24 | valdyn | MrWup: read what dpkg said very carefully, no need for you to do anything though, right now |
| 16:06.24 | frankr | hey guys in wine every dll/so load fails; err:module:load_builtin_dll for each one - I'm pretty sure its cause I messed up my /lib folders while attempting to get a 32bit chroot working. How might I fix? |
| 16:06.35 | valdyn | MrWup: and add 'mousedev' to the /etc/modules file |
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| 16:07.19 | valdyn | frankr: restore from backup |
| 16:07.33 | valdyn | frankr: if you /lib was fucked you would be unable to boot debian, i think |
| 16:07.46 | noorul | !etch |
| 16:07.47 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 16:08.15 | valdyn | frankr: wine has nothing to do with /lib anyhow, you're probably on the wrong track |
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| 16:08.45 | frankr | valdyn, well then wine can't find it's lib directories for whatever reason |
| 16:08.53 | frankr | because any load of DLLs fails even to run winecfg |
| 16:09.11 | valdyn | frankr: /lib is reserved for essential system libraries, wine stores nothing there |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | did you compile wine or install 3rd party packages ? |
| 16:09.28 | valdyn | frankr: lower level stuff like bash would fail. |
| 16:09.29 | frankr | valdyn, probably /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib or one of those |
| 16:09.42 | Plasmoduck | whereis eggdrop.conf |
| 16:09.49 | frankr | Plasmoduck, find | grep "eggdrop.conf" |
| 16:09.50 | abrotman | frankr: did you compile wine or use 3rd party packages ? |
| 16:09.56 | frankr | abrotman, debian amd64 packages |
| 16:10.02 | abrotman | Plasmoduck: in /etc/ you'd think ? |
| 16:10.04 | valdyn | !tell Plasmoduck -about search |
| 16:10.13 | frankr | abrotman, I was trying to compile it into a 32bit chroot, that's probably how I screwed it up |
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| 16:10.45 | frankr | yeah its having this error err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"winex11.drv": libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:10.53 | frankr | the file is here: ./usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 |
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| 16:11.01 | valdyn | frankr: reinstall your wine packages |
| 16:11.05 | frankr | valdyn, tried that |
| 16:11.08 | \amethyst | frankr: Because you compiled it against 32-bit X libraries |
| 16:11.18 | valdyn | frankr: reinstall the package libXxf86vm.so.1 belongs to |
| 16:11.21 | \amethyst | frankr: Do you have 32-bit X libraries on your computer? |
| 16:11.22 | frankr | \amethyst, its from debian amd64 repos |
| 16:11.23 | trukosh | Harzilein: \amethyst valdyn azeem - Thanks for your suggestions. I'll try the way Harzilein described. Bye |
| 16:11.23 | Plasmoduck | no |
| 16:11.27 | frankr | \amethyst, I do, in a 32bit chroot |
| 16:11.32 | Plasmoduck | I remember you have to extract it in debian |
| 16:11.36 | Plasmoduck | it is hidden somewhere |
| 16:11.39 | \amethyst | frankr: you're running it in the chroot? |
| 16:11.39 | valdyn | frankr: dpkg -S libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 16:11.42 | Plasmoduck | it's silly |
| 16:11.46 | frankr | \amethyst, no |
| 16:11.58 | \amethyst | frankr: Are you telling it where to look for libraries? |
| 16:12.19 | \amethyst | frankr: And your system libraries are 64-bit? |
| 16:12.27 | frankr | \amethyst, no, I don't know how to do that, and yes, they are 64bit |
| 16:12.28 | pickcoder | Plasmoduck: it's probably an example in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 16:12.40 | frankr | \amethyst, its the unofficial amd64 port of debian, full 64bit |
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| 16:12.58 | \amethyst | frankr: try something like LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/chroot/lib:/chroot/usr/lib wine |
| 16:13.02 | valdyn | frankr: you're running amd64 sarge? |
| 16:13.13 | frankr | valdyn, unstable |
| 16:13.24 | valdyn | frankr: ok - there's nothing unofficial about this |
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| 16:14.48 | frankr | I tried LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:/lib winecfg |
| 16:14.51 | frankr | and LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/emul/linux-ia32/usr/lib:/emul/linux-ia32/lib winecfg |
| 16:14.55 | Plasmoduck | pickcoder, yeah it's in /usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples |
| 16:14.56 | frankr | both have sam errors |
| 16:14.57 | Plasmoduck | cheers |
| 16:14.59 | valdyn | frankr: wine on amd64 is a 32-bit application, your 32-bit libraries for amd64 got fucked by whatever you did, 'reinstall ia32-libs |
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| 16:16.07 | valdyn | frankr: /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 is the wrong file, its /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 16:16.37 | frankr | valdyn, I figured.. alright, I'm gonna remove my chroot, remove ia32-libs remove wine and reinstall everything |
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| 16:17.24 | Plasmoduck | how do I unzip .gz |
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| 16:17.33 | \amethyst | Plasmoduck: gunzip |
| 16:17.33 | Plasmoduck | thought it was tar -zxf |
| 16:17.36 | valdyn | Plasmoduck: with gunzip |
| 16:17.40 | \amethyst | that's only for .tar.gz |
| 16:19.04 | Plasmoduck | thanks |
| 16:19.29 | Plasmoduck | can anyone help me make aterm transparent? |
| 16:19.32 | maddash | i don't think the "-" is necessary |
| 16:19.42 | jahshua | aterm -tr |
| 16:19.51 | Plasmoduck | I created a ~/.Xdefaults file |
| 16:20.04 | Plasmoduck | but to make it always load like that in blackbox |
| 16:20.13 | Plasmoduck | without scrollbar |
| 16:20.13 | Vixla | http://www.voinaroz.lv/?auk=2i1i18g2oxz Go in :) Check for prizes ;) |
| 16:20.16 | Plasmoduck | and shading |
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| 16:20.32 | Plasmoduck | I want a sexy aterm :p |
| 16:20.44 | Plasmoduck | at the click of a button |
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| 16:21.38 | maddash | Plasmoduck: #aterm, if there is one, or `man aterm` |
| 16:22.02 | Plasmoduck | it's not in the manual |
| 16:22.03 | jahshua | aterm -tr +sb |
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| 16:22.44 | noorul | may be you need compile aterm with transparency |
| 16:22.54 | jahshua | shouldn't. |
| 16:23.03 | Plasmoduck | nah |
| 16:23.06 | Plasmoduck | it supports it |
| 16:23.09 | Plasmoduck | that command works |
| 16:23.16 | jahshua | there ya go. |
| 16:23.17 | Plasmoduck | but I want it to load with those settings |
| 16:23.18 | noorul | oh okay |
| 16:23.24 | Plasmoduck | and white text |
| 16:23.27 | Plasmoduck | like |
| 16:23.35 | Plasmoduck | see in #paste for example |
| 16:23.38 | jahshua | Plasmo: what wm are you using ? |
| 16:24.08 | Harzilein | Plasmoduck: edit your .Xresources then |
| 16:24.09 | Harzilein | Plasmoduck: possibly in the style of SomeNameForYourTheme*setting: foo |
| 16:24.12 | Harzilein | Plasmoduck: then you can do aterm -name SomeNameForYourTheme |
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| 16:24.53 | Plasmoduck | blackbox / fluxbox |
| 16:24.55 | Harzilein | Plasmoduck: before it is available to aterm you'd have to do xrdb -override .Xresources (or restart X) |
| 16:25.14 | Demus | fapfapfap blackbox <3 |
| 16:25.21 | Plasmoduck | :) |
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| 16:25.36 | Plasmoduck | sometimes window maker |
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| 16:26.05 | frankr | uhh apt-get install ia32-libs keeps having this error unable to create `./emul/ia32-linux/lib/libattr.so.1.1.0': No such file or directory |
| 16:26.22 | valdyn | frankr: -ls -ld /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
| 16:26.26 | valdyn | frankr: ls -ld /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
| 16:26.42 | mhall | Has anybody else experienced huge amounts of arbitrary firefox crashes in unstable? It just dies all of a sudden, when clicking on plain old everyday links... |
| 16:27.00 | MrWup | hi |
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| 16:27.04 | Plasmoduck | Harzilein, there is no ~/.Xresources |
| 16:27.06 | MrWup | im having trouble with my sound card now |
| 16:27.13 | Plasmoduck | jsut like there was no ~/.Xdefauls |
| 16:27.14 | MrWup | alsaconf wont detect any sound card |
| 16:27.15 | valdyn | mhall: epiphany does this, same gecko |
| 16:27.18 | Plasmoduck | I had to make it |
| 16:27.21 | frankr | valdyn, directory didn't exist, I made it |
| 16:27.23 | valdyn | mhall: i just don't use ff |
| 16:27.57 | \amethyst | mhall: Using any plugins? |
| 16:28.11 | valdyn | mhall: i have alot of experimental stuff installed too, something there fixed it, no idea what |
| 16:28.22 | MrWup | am using a PCI esoniq es1731, but doesnt show up in alsaconf |
| 16:28.41 | \amethyst | mhall: and have you been able to capture a backtrace? |
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| 16:29.31 | valdyn | shouldnt be plugin - related, at least it wasn't here |
| 16:29.55 | furenku | hello... my recently installed demudi does not recognize neither my usb drive or my other hd partition, nor my cdrom... can anybody help? |
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| 16:30.23 | frankr | valdyn, unable to create `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory I made the directory still has this errror |
| 16:30.30 | mhall | \amethyst: Don't I need debug symbols to get a BT? Stupid Debian doesn't install those. It's one of the most moronic things they do. |
| 16:30.32 | Ronin | #demudi if such a thing exists? |
| 16:30.35 | MrWup | ah ok ive reconfigured the alsa-source with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:30.41 | \amethyst | mhall: iceweasel-dbg |
| 16:30.43 | MrWup | how do i now rebuild and install the alsa-source? |
| 16:30.51 | mhall | \amethyst: OK. I'll do it. |
| 16:30.53 | valdyn | frankr: you made /emul/ia32-linux/lib, did you make /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib too? |
| 16:31.03 | mhall | \amethyst: which it were simpler to reproduce |
| 16:31.15 | mhall | valdyn: why haven't they heard of fuckin mkdir -p? |
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| 16:31.44 | frankr | valdyn, I did |
| 16:31.55 | valdyn | mhall: so people who do rm -r on debian stuff get punished ;) |
| 16:31.57 | \amethyst | mhall: I've had a few crashes---every week or two---but not enough to make me do anything about it |
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| 16:32.11 | \amethyst | mhall: with me, though, it's usually been on pages with intensive Flash |
| 16:32.19 | frankr | russ-pc-debian:/# ls -ld /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-04-03 12:29 /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib |
| 16:34.36 | twobitsprite | yay... I love submitting grave bugs in testing :) |
| 16:35.00 | \amethyst | oh? |
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| 16:35.10 | twobitsprite | eclipse has failed depends |
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| 16:35.36 | \amethyst | which arch? |
| 16:35.38 | valdyn | twobitsprite: does it? |
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| 16:35.52 | valdyn | twobitsprite: or is that your stale azureus package causing it? |
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| 16:36.23 | kalupson | who's the bot? is it dpkg still? |
| 16:36.26 | twobitsprite | valdyn: I don't have azureus installed... I don't think |
| 16:36.32 | twobitsprite | nope |
| 16:36.41 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: what is the dependency problem exactly? |
| 16:36.49 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: which dependency is missing/uninstallable? |
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| 16:36.59 | valdyn | mm, my eclipse is fine |
| 16:37.11 | kalupson | which bot can I message to ask FAQ's or How do I install XServer/gnome for etch? |
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| 16:37.20 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: check the bug report... some depend has non-printable chars in the name, and my X clipboard won't copy it correctly |
| 16:37.22 | azeem | kalupson: /msg dpkg |
| 16:37.32 | valdyn | kalupson: apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 16:37.33 | azeem | twobitsprite: huh? |
| 16:37.34 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: bug # ? |
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| 16:38.53 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: how do I check that... reportbug didn't give me a number, and the e-mail doesn't say either |
| 16:39.13 | azeem | twobitsprite: you get a mail back from the BTS with the bug number |
| 16:39.48 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: what email address did you submit it from? |
| 16:39.49 | \amethyst | and was it to package "eclipse" ? |
| 16:39.49 | twobitsprite | memotype (at) gmail.com (is this channel logged on the web?) |
| 16:39.49 | azeem | twobitsprite: anyway, you not being able to c&p paste a package name doesn't make it a bug |
| 16:39.49 | twobitsprite | yep |
| 16:40.03 | twobitsprite | azeem: well... the package not being able to install is, right? |
| 16:40.20 | valdyn | !depends eclipse |
| 16:40.24 | \amethyst | Hm... I don't see the bug report |
| 16:40.25 | valdyn | !depends eclipse etch |
| 16:40.26 | dpkg | eclipse: depends on eclipse-jdt (= 3.2.1-6), eclipse-pde (= 3.2.1-6), eclipse-source (= 3.2.1-6), zenity |
| 16:40.29 | twobitsprite | azeem: I didn't write a bug on not being able to copy it... I was just saying that's why I can't tell you what package failed |
| 16:40.34 | dpkg | eclipse: depends on eclipse-jdt (= 3.2.1-4), eclipse-pde (= 3.2.1-4), eclipse-source (= 3.2.1-4), zenity |
| 16:40.55 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: can you type the ASCII parts of the package name? |
| 16:41.40 | azeem | packages names are ascii anyway |
| 16:41.40 | twobitsprite | libxxt6 |
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| 16:41.40 | twobitsprite | only, there is a char that looks like an 'a' with a circle above it between the two 'x's |
| 16:41.45 | \amethyst | err |
| 16:42.04 | azeem | twobitsprite: either your trolling us, or your system is broken |
| 16:42.05 | \amethyst | What version of the package is this, where did you get it from, and what's the md5sum? |
| 16:42.11 | \amethyst | aha |
| 16:42.26 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: this is from debian etch repos |
| 16:42.44 | \amethyst | maybe your /var/lib/dpkg/available got corrupted |
| 16:42.44 | Plasmoduck | how do I install xorg in sarge? |
| 16:42.44 | twobitsprite | azeem: I am not trying to troll... I asked about this in the channel about 20 minutes ago and got no response |
| 16:42.44 | Plasmoduck | 2.4 |
| 16:42.50 | Plasmoduck | !tell Plasmoduck about xorg sarge |
| 16:42.54 | twobitsprite | azeem: so I filed a bug |
| 16:42.54 | azeem | twobitsprite: then ask again later |
| 16:43.05 | cydork | Plasmoduck: /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 16:43.05 | twobitsprite | azeem: any idea what might be a solution? |
| 16:43.08 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: Trm rm /var/lib/dpkg/available and apt-get update |
| 16:43.10 | valdyn | twobitsprite: looks like you have broken files , but not like the eclipse package was broken |
| 16:43.47 | \amethyst | I guess the bug report hasn't gone through yet, BTS doesn't list any bugs with your email address as submitter |
| 16:43.55 | Azar | couldn't aptitude fix broken dependencies? |
| 16:43.57 | Plasmoduck | whats the backports line I put in sources.list ? |
| 16:44.08 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: doesn't fix |
| 16:44.11 | \amethyst | Azar: It's very broken, as in illegal characters |
| 16:44.44 | Azar | \amethyst: ahhh I see |
| 16:44.45 | cydork | Plasmoduck: look for instructions on that site. |
| 16:44.50 | azeem | the BTS is pretty slow right now due to massive spamming |
| 16:45.02 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: what's does md5sum /var/cache/apt/eclipse_3.2.1-4_i376.deb say? |
| 16:45.20 | \amethyst | err |
| 16:45.31 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: md5sum /var/cache/apt/eclipse_3.2.1-4_i386.deb assuming i386 |
| 16:45.45 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: gah! md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/eclipse_3.2.1-4_i386.deb |
| 16:45.54 | cydork | azeem: spamming? |
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| 16:46.01 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: hmm.... I'm gonna go hide in a corner for being an idiot... I thought I removed my debian-multimedia.org source, but after double checking I didn't, and now it seems to be working |
| 16:46.05 | valdyn | i doubt that file would even unpackage if it was broken |
| 16:46.10 | valdyn | i doubt that file would even unpack if it was broken |
| 16:46.10 | \amethyst | cydork: BTS works through email |
| 16:46.28 | simonrvn | cydork: yes, think about it, a rich source of live email addies.... it's disgusting |
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| 16:46.33 | Catachan | is there a debian package that has the kernel source package? |
| 16:46.39 | cydork | simonrvn: :) |
| 16:46.41 | gratuit | I'm using aterm, and every time I try to use mc, I get strange characters instead of the normal lines that one would expect, anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 16:46.43 | azeem | Catachan: linux-source-* |
| 16:46.47 | simonrvn | the abuse that something like that gets put through |
| 16:46.48 | Catachan | okay |
| 16:46.54 | twobitsprite | so, I'm gonna go cancel my bug, sorry for the confusion |
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| 16:47.27 | simonrvn | gratuit: utf-8 stuff likely |
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| 16:47.50 | azeem | twobitsprite: I'm closing the bug, OK? |
| 16:48.18 | TipTap | hmm does anyone know how i can get the asc for secure-testing.debian.net? as i am geting the NO_PUBKEY error using apt-get update |
| 16:48.29 | PupenoR | simonrvn: I'd say incompatibility of encoding/charset between terminal and program rather to blame UTF-8 ;) |
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| 16:48.40 | TipTap | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E - to be precise |
| 16:48.42 | Ind[y] | DHCPCD is started on boot automatically, as we all know. But how can I set it to run with specific command-line flags? |
| 16:48.43 | Catachan | okay, the problem is that the source I got is lacking a dir called arch, as well as quite a few other dirs |
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| 16:49.04 | simonrvn | PupenoR: that's exactly what i meant, but not in that many words :) |
| 16:49.19 | valdyn | Catachan: the package lacks what? |
| 16:49.38 | valdyn | Catachan: the package just contains a linux-source-foo.tar.bz2 |
| 16:49.41 | PupenoR | simonrvn: I know you did... I am just a crusader preaching the use of UTF-8 in a world where many users hate it for braking their characters. |
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| 16:49.57 | simonrvn | PupenoR: i'm utf-8-ified ;) |
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| 16:50.07 | Azar | haha |
| 16:50.19 | MrWup | i apt-get installed module snd, but when i run alsaconf it says module snd not found |
| 16:50.20 | Pobega | TipTap: Do you have the debian-keyring package installed? |
| 16:50.20 | pickcoder | TipTap: /topic |
| 16:50.27 | MrWup | anyone know what might be the problem? |
| 16:50.33 | Pobega | Oh, right, topic. I didn't notice that. |
| 16:50.33 | PupenoR | simonrvn: me too :) I've been modifing my distro of choice to be fully UTF-8ified as well as KDE for years already :) |
| 16:50.34 | \amethyst | PupenoR: I can understand it being hated in Japan |
| 16:50.41 | twobitsprite | azeem: yeah |
| 16:50.46 | azeem | done |
| 16:50.59 | TipTap | oh i was typing to dpkg no_pub_key hey ho, cheers ;-) didn't see the topic |
| 16:51.11 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: so... you asked me to rm /var/lib/dpkg/available... but now apt-get complains about it not being there... what do I do? |
| 16:51.11 | Azar | MrWup: you know the name of your snd module? |
| 16:51.26 | Catachan | make menuconfig returns the error /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/arch/i386/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 16:51.27 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: did you do apt-get update ? |
| 16:51.27 | MrWup | snd_ens1371 |
| 16:51.32 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:51.33 | Drakeson | can I use dpkg, apt to install and manage packages locally? (in $HOME/... rather than /usr)? |
| 16:51.36 | PupenoR | \amethyst: my wife 'dislikes it' because hotmail and other crappy mail clients use latin1, so she receives mails with all the spanish characters scrambled and she sends mail with all the spanish characters scrambled and everybody complains to her. |
| 16:51.36 | MrWup | Azar, snd__ens1371 |
| 16:51.38 | Ind[y] | DHCPCD is started on boot automatically, as we all know. But how can I set it to run with specific command-line flags? |
| 16:51.45 | Catachan | make oldconfig returns the same |
| 16:51.47 | MrWup | Azar, erm i mean snd_ens1371 |
| 16:52.07 | azeem | twobitsprite: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available" as rooot |
| 16:52.28 | \amethyst | azeem: ty |
| 16:52.34 | \amethyst | azeem: I was trying to remember that command |
| 16:52.37 | TipTap | hmm still having the issue, done what it suggsted for both 2006 key and etch key, i haev the debian-archive-keyring and it's up to date |
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| 16:52.53 | twobitsprite | azeem: there we go, thanks |
| 16:53.01 | mhall | PupenoR: ¡oow utf8 is the best |
| 16:53.02 | Azar | MrWup: do lsmod see if is there |
| 16:53.18 | xand | Ind[y]: maybe put them in /etc/default/dhcp |
| 16:53.21 | Pobega | TipTap: Have you done apt-get update? Sometimes that fixes weird errors. |
| 16:53.22 | PupenoR | mhall: I know that. |
| 16:53.32 | TipTap | Pobega, thats what i'm trying ot do, but it errors with that error |
| 16:53.32 | MrWup | Azar, nope not there |
| 16:53.36 | xand | Ind[y]: or /etc/init.d/dhcpd |
| 16:53.43 | Catachan | also, in the source dir, there is no ./arch/ folder |
| 16:53.47 | Ind[y] | xand: Just write (eg) -H in the file? |
| 16:53.47 | \amethyst | TipTap: Are you using any third-party repositories? If not, try a different mirror |
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| 16:54.03 | Pobega | TipTap: Oh, I didn't notice that. |
| 16:54.17 | MrWup | Azar, i did dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source and told it to install that module. what do i do now? rebuild? im a noob |
| 16:54.23 | TipTap | \amethyst, i'm using deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates |
| 16:54.24 | TipTap | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.25 | Pobega | TipTap: Hmm...apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring? |
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| 16:54.31 | Ind[y] | xand: ok, thanks :) |
| 16:54.32 | Pobega | TipTap: If you can use APT, that is. |
| 16:54.36 | MrWup | Azar, after ive done dpkg-reconfigure im not sure how to build the source |
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| 16:54.41 | Catachan | should I just get a kernel source from the kernel.org |
| 16:54.44 | Catachan | I guess so |
| 16:54.47 | Catachan | ahwell |
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| 16:55.26 | TipTap | Pobega, nope the same error. Is secure-testing.debian.net the wrong repositroy? |
| 16:55.29 | Plasmoduck | Catachan, apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 16:55.34 | Azar | MrWup: you don't need to build nothing, see if your snd module is listed on /etc/modules |
| 16:55.50 | Catachan | okay, thanks! |
| 16:55.50 | pickcoder | Catachan: what are you trying to do |
| 16:55.55 | Azar | MrWup: use a paster and paste the content of your /etc/modules |
| 16:55.56 | Pobega | TipTap: Try using an official debian.org repository and see if that works. Comment out the secure-testing line first, though. |
| 16:56.14 | Azar | !paster |
| 16:56.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:56.20 | Azar | MrWup: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 16:56.36 | MrWup | Azar, cat etc/modules ? |
| 16:56.46 | Azar | yes, cat or less |
| 16:56.58 | dudeman | Azar! |
| 16:57.01 | \amethyst | TipTap: /msg dpkg etch security |
| 16:57.06 | Azar | misterrr dudeman! |
| 16:57.13 | dudeman | whats goin on man |
| 16:57.21 | Catachan | well, I am trying to get my wireless card working, and the instructions say to remove some items from the kernel's autoconf.h, and I couldnot find it, and I realized it was because of the lack of kernel source code, |
| 16:57.23 | \amethyst | TipTap: that has instructions for the official etch security repository |
| 16:57.27 | Azar | not much, day off at home, ircing |
| 16:57.32 | Catachan | I have to go, now, saddly, so see ya guys! |
| 16:57.34 | Catachan | bai! |
| 16:57.43 | dudeman | Azar word man. Its my 2nd day in new york. its awesome. |
| 16:57.46 | pickcoder | erm.. ok.. |
| 16:57.58 | TipTap | do you have an example of what should be in the sources.list for updating to etch, i got this from the debian forums to upgrade from sarge to etch, so i used the secure-testing.debian.net as they suggested |
| 16:57.59 | Azar | dudeman: you lucky dog |
| 16:58.00 | MrWup | Azar, http://pastebin.ca/422686 |
| 16:58.06 | Azar | MrWup: ok looking |
| 16:58.07 | Pobega | dudeman: Where are you in new york? |
| 16:58.12 | pickcoder | Plasmoduck: kernel-image has nothing to do with the source tree |
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| 16:59.25 | Azar | MrWup: I see nothing about sound there, what about your lsmod? paste that too |
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| 17:00.37 | Azar | MrWup: also, in here type /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 17:01.01 | Azar | dudeman: big jump from louisiana to ny man |
| 17:02.15 | MrWup | Azar, i got soundcore in lsmod thats all |
| 17:02.22 | MrWup | (only thing to do with sound) |
| 17:02.40 | Azar | MrWup: try to do the alsa one-liner |
| 17:02.51 | netman2 | Is this an apropriat place to ask for help on TLDP guid exersizes? I am stumped on an exersize in lesson 3. "Change to /etc/rc.d | /etc/init.d | /etc/runlevels" I goto /etc/init.d than it asks "What services should be running in this level?" and I am stumped from that question and the next couple after that. |
| 17:03.26 | MrWup | Azar, all installed and latest version |
| 17:03.31 | MrWup | apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 17:03.46 | Azar | MrWup: read all dpkg told you |
| 17:03.51 | Ronin | do your own homeworkd netman2 ;) |
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| 17:03.55 | Ronin | homework even |
| 17:03.57 | MrWup | Azar, im not using the 2.4 kernel |
| 17:04.07 | Azar | MrWup: all to the final |
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| 17:04.40 | MrWup | modprobe snd-pcm-oss -- not found |
| 17:05.12 | netman2 | Ronin, sigh, I thought I might get a responce like that. I looked over the whole lesson and found no answers. I'm not sure where to look. could you be so kind and give me a pointer? |
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| 17:05.46 | Azar | MrWup: let's take it from the beginning: what Debian version you use and what kernel version? |
| 17:05.48 | \amethyst | netman2: What guide? |
| 17:06.13 | MrWup | debian testing 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 17:06.19 | netman2 | TLDP Introduction to Linux a hands on guid. http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_06.html |
| 17:06.39 | netman2 | \amethyst |
| 17:06.48 | Azar | MrWup: to me it does not sound well such a low kernel with testing... but eh, let's assume "it works" |
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| 17:07.04 | MrWup | Azar, how do i get a higher kernel? |
| 17:07.21 | \amethyst | netman2: in Debian the run levels are in /etc/rc?.d |
| 17:07.21 | nvz | drugs.. |
| 17:07.41 | Azar | MrWup: easy: apt-cache search linux-image-........... for your cpu architecture. Look on the list and check for 2.6.18 kernel specific for your cpu |
| 17:07.53 | \amethyst | netman2: The default run level is 2 |
| 17:08.11 | Azar | MrWup: note it down then: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-xxxxxxxxxxxx < the entire line you find suitable |
| 17:08.12 | nvz | is there some kind of command line that will change my resolution in X like the Ctrl+Alt +/- ? so I can like make an icon or applet to do this? |
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| 17:08.25 | azeem | nvz: there's a Gnome applet for this |
| 17:08.36 | Azar | MrWup: that kernel should come to find your sound modules |
| 17:08.39 | nvz | hmm.. I'll check my gnome-panel |
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| 17:08.58 | \amethyst | azeem: isn't that xrandr? |
| 17:09.00 | pablo_ | hi, can i open office open xml files? |
| 17:09.05 | \amethyst | azeem: that's different from ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 17:09.11 | \amethyst | nvz: I have a program, hold on |
| 17:09.16 | MrWup | linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 - Linux 2.6.18 image on x86 |
| 17:09.23 | MrWup | sound right? im on an intel system |
| 17:09.35 | \amethyst | MrWup: 686 |
| 17:09.38 | nvz | azeem: I don't see it in my list of applets *shrug* |
| 17:09.42 | Azar | MrWup: I am not sure if 486 .... rather 686 |
| 17:10.04 | MrWup | ah, linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 17:10.17 | Azar | yep, "aptitude install" that one |
| 17:10.55 | netman2 | \amethyst thanks for clearing up that dir. I think I am getting more confused. I read that the default run level was 2 in the last lesson from the inittab "I think". I see this is alot of memory work. |
| 17:10.58 | MrWup | ok well its churning away |
| 17:10.59 | Azar | then reboot and hang with \azeem > me goes to lunch :) |
| 17:11.00 | wols | nvz: you could write a script that editos xorg.conf |
| 17:11.01 | MrWup | and installing |
| 17:11.15 | MrWup | ok thanks |
| 17:11.17 | Azar | errr no... with \amethyst ... (sorry azeem) |
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| 17:11.22 | nvz | wols: na I dont want to restart the server I just want to be able to zoom in without using the keyboard |
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| 17:11.53 | \amethyst | nvz: http://s-z.org/neil/progs/xf86vidmode.c |
| 17:12.04 | MrWup | Azar, shit its removing all my packages |
| 17:12.10 | MrWup | it will put them back right? |
| 17:12.15 | netman2 | am I band? |
| 17:12.25 | MrWup | aptitude is doing package theft |
| 17:12.25 | netman2 | \amethyst does the sticky bit have something to do with runlevels? |
| 17:12.42 | netman2 | lol sorry about that, wrong slash got me confused. |
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| 17:13.22 | \amethyst | netman2: sticky bit on directories means only the owner of a file can remove that file |
| 17:13.32 | Pobega | MrWup: I don't think it will put them back automatically. What packages is it removing? |
| 17:13.33 | wols | MrWup: are you sure you upgraded to etch properly? |
| 17:13.34 | \amethyst | netman2: It's used on world-writable directories like /tmp |
| 17:13.50 | wols | MrWup: how did you upgrade to etch? what did you do? |
| 17:13.54 | MrWup | its removing pretty much everything |
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| 17:14.06 | MrWup | etch what etch? |
| 17:14.11 | MrWup | i dont even know what etch is |
| 17:14.13 | \amethyst | netman2: sticky bit on executables used to mean their code would be kept in memory after they exit (for caching purposes), but is no longer relevant |
| 17:14.13 | wols | MrWup: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 17:14.17 | wols | what does that say? |
| 17:14.20 | r3tex | what does it mean on boot when it says ".dev already exists on static /dev" ? |
| 17:14.20 | wols | etch is testing |
| 17:14.35 | MrWup | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:15.09 | wols | MrWup: do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:15.16 | wols | and stop that kernel install |
| 17:15.19 | r3tex | wols: you mean that's a feature? |
| 17:15.22 | MrWup | oh hell |
| 17:15.24 | MrWup | again? |
| 17:15.36 | MrWup | i already downloaded 700 mb last time i upgraded to testing |
| 17:15.45 | wols | after that, do a apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 17:15.59 | netman2 | \amethyst ok thanks. these 2 question still have me completely stumped "Change to /etc/rc.d | /etc/init.d | /etc/runlevels and choose the directory appropriate for your run level." and the next one "What services should be running in this level?" |
| 17:16.26 | \amethyst | nvz: you use it as ./xf86vidmode + or ./xf86vidmode - |
| 17:16.28 | wols | MrWup: it won't fetch another 700m, no worries |
| 17:16.49 | netman2 | \amethyst should I hit google or is there a better source that might help me out with these? |
| 17:17.03 | \amethyst | nvz: it needs to be compiled with -lXxf86vm -lXext -lX11 |
| 17:17.11 | MrWup | ok well the kernel install finished before i could stop it |
| 17:17.23 | MrWup | and apt-get dist-upgrade has downloade d800kb |
| 17:17.27 | wols | netman2: the proper directory for debian would be /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 17:17.46 | nvz | \amethyst: ok.. and it works with xorg? |
| 17:17.54 | \amethyst | nvz: yes |
| 17:18.04 | wols | MrWup: that is untrue. apt asks you explicitly before it removes anything |
| 17:18.11 | wols | you can always hit "N" there |
| 17:18.45 | MrWup | so |
| 17:18.48 | MrWup | what happens now? |
| 17:18.53 | MrWup | what's... next? |
| 17:18.59 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:19.13 | MrWup | reboot? |
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| 17:19.32 | netman2 | wols aaah ok that just clicked a little. I see I have rc0.d threw rc6.d so those are for each different run level. |
| 17:19.39 | HardDisk_WP | whats the correct xserver-xorg driver for a graphic card shown in lspci as |
| 17:19.53 | HardDisk_WP | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86cM65 [Aurora64V+] (rev 43) |
| 17:20.00 | \amethyst | netman2: /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:20.00 | Plasmoduck | s3 |
| 17:20.09 | wols | HardDisk_WP: it's a s3 trio afaik |
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| 17:20.23 | HardDisk_WP | kelt, trying |
| 17:20.35 | wols | MrWup: has it actually removed lots of stuff? |
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| 17:22.01 | xored | guys i wonder if there is any PDF-Editor for PDA`s on Windows Mobile 5 or for gentoo or something... |
| 17:22.07 | pickcoder | wols: left overs from an improper dist-upgrade get wiped on the next install. That happened to me a couple days ago. |
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| 17:22.16 | kevinl-- | hello |
| 17:22.20 | netman2 | \amethyst ok, thanks, looks like I have some reading to do. |
| 17:22.24 | pickcoder | they don't get removed on the upgrade cycle since they're still depends on them |
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| 17:22.34 | kevinl-- | anyone know a command to tell you what NIC you have ? (its working.. i just dont remember exactly what it is) |
| 17:22.58 | wols | kevinl--: lspci |
| 17:23.02 | pickcoder | apt even tells you that there are X unused packages to be removed |
| 17:23.09 | apt | okay, pickcoder |
| 17:23.10 | pickcoder | some people don't read though |
| 17:23.20 | filleokus | hey, a smaall noob question, which version should i use for a home server, i need it to be pretty stabale, but also new versions |
| 17:23.34 | cydork | filleokus: etch should be fine. |
| 17:23.49 | wols | filleokus: etch |
| 17:23.54 | filleokus | yep |
| 17:23.55 | filleokus | kay |
| 17:24.16 | kevinl-- | lspci no such command.. wtf |
| 17:24.17 | kevinl-- | grr |
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| 17:24.51 | filleokus | if i want to know which version a debian machine is running what should i type then? |
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| 17:25.00 | |zetetic| | hi |
| 17:25.03 | cydork | kevinl--: missing pciutils? |
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| 17:25.41 | wols | filleokus: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 17:25.53 | potolo | Hi. I'm trying to install gtkorphan, via apt-get. But I can't because a dependency (gsku) keeps won't install & keeps returning an error. I even tried "dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential --force-remove-reinstreq gksu". Help? |
| 17:25.59 | wols | filleokus: there is also /etc/debian_version but that doesn't always show the right one |
| 17:26.04 | potolo | output from attempts in bash at http://www.pastebin.ca/422729 |
| 17:26.05 | filleokus | key |
| 17:26.09 | filleokus | thanx all |
| 17:26.11 | potolo | Oh, I'm using Etch |
| 17:26.33 | |zetetic| | Hi ppl. After upgrading hal to 0.5.8.1-9, two icons appeared on my desktop for the same partition! What can be done to solve this problem? |
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| 17:27.02 | potolo | apt-get -f install doesn't work either (error in post-removal script re gksu) |
| 17:27.22 | potolo | |zetetic|: ? ignore one or delete one? |
| 17:27.43 | kevinl-- | thanks cydork, wols |
| 17:27.51 | abrotman | set -x |
| 17:28.13 | |zetetic| | potolo: I have no intention to delete icons everytime I reboot or every time I mount a partition |
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| 17:28.42 | |zetetic| | motolo: besides the ompe problem happens on nautilus... |
| 17:28.59 | potolo | |zetetic|: ok ~ didn't know it re-appeared each reboot |
| 17:29.10 | potolo | Also tried: apt-get -f -m --force-yes install. Also didn't work |
| 17:30.24 | abrotman | potolo: what's the actual error ? |
| 17:30.24 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:30.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:30.24 | |zetetic| | motolo: Yes it reappers. teher already people complaining about this issue; see this link: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg319202.html |
| 17:30.35 | potolo | abrotman: output from attempts in bash at http://www.pastebin.ca/422729 |
| 17:31.17 | r3tex | what does it mean on boot when it says ".dev already exists on static /dev" ? |
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| 17:31.44 | potolo | abrotman: the error now is re removing gksu, so a couple of steps forward from that pastebin url. but I'm still trying to do the original task: install gtkorphan but can't because dependcy won't install i.e. gksu and can't remove it either |
| 17:31.48 | abrotman | potolo: at the top of the gksu postinst script .. put a set -x (or replace the set -e) |
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| 17:31.59 | potolo | abrotman: thanks, will try |
| 17:32.02 | MrWup | hey |
| 17:32.06 | abrotman | potolo: which will make the script be verbose .. and tell you why it's failing |
| 17:32.09 | MrWup | i rebooted |
| 17:32.10 | MrWup | i got the new kernel |
| 17:32.10 | MrWup | its all good |
| 17:32.12 | MrWup | sound card works |
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| 17:32.31 | MrWup | now the final problem.... my USB logitech mic is not working. |
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| 17:34.19 | |zetetic| | each partition have two icons on gnome desktop and on nautilus! How can I solve this? |
| 17:34.36 | mindframe_laptop | where does dpkg unpack files to? |
| 17:34.47 | abrotman | |zetetic|: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:35.12 | |zetetic| | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:35.41 | potolo | abrotman: am trying to find postinst/remove scripts for gksu. just looked on packages.debian.org for gksu>testing>i386 files list. but couldn't see it there. where could I find it on my system? |
| 17:35.54 | abrotman | potolo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:36.07 | potolo | abrotman: thank you kindly |
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| 17:41.21 | potolo | abrotman: Added set -x to both postinst and postrm script for gksu. bash output after re-trying is at http://www.pastebin.ca/422748 . To be honest I couldn't get too much from it? :-< Please can you have a look and see if you can glean anything? |
| 17:41.23 | happy_broccoli | easy way to print a png via lpr? |
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| 17:43.01 | bilsta | how do i restart oidentd ? |
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| 17:43.15 | expose | Hi |
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| 17:43.52 | expose | is there a way to install both 32bit and 64bit JVMs at the same time on debian? and, is there a tool to select the currently used VM then? |
| 17:43.53 | wols | bilsta: either /etc/init.d/oidentd restart or it's started from inetd in which case no need |
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| 17:44.02 | potolo | bilsta: google say: invoke-rc.d inetd restart |
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| 17:44.35 | potolo | bilsta: meh ignore that. wrong daemon |
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| 17:45.38 | brophat | does ubuntu really make using debian a lot easier? |
| 17:45.41 | lero_ | hey, i have a sarge with 2.4.27 and tried to boot 2.6.8 |
| 17:45.57 | lero_ | but it says something "pivot_root xxxxxx /dev/console not found.... kernel panic" |
| 17:46.08 | potolo | brophat: on laptops it does, so I hear |
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| 17:46.23 | lero_ | the devices already recognize as sda in 2.4, and 2.6 i think is the same, i already installed udev too |
| 17:46.33 | lero_ | what could be the problem? |
| 17:47.01 | brophat | potolo yeah i would think debian would prob leave a lot un-done so as to allow flexability. |
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| 17:47.46 | brophat | potolo after 7 years of using linux i don't want flexability anymore bwahahahaha |
| 17:48.16 | lero_ | nobody know what is "/dev/console not found, kernel panic" migrating from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 17:48.19 | potolo | brophat: I know what you mean |
| 17:48.33 | pickcoder | lero_: root mount problems more than likely |
| 17:48.40 | brophat | potolo i bet however that ubuntu is flexable to a large extent as well. |
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| 17:48.47 | lero_ | pickcoder: so i check the partions, are fine |
| 17:48.55 | lero_ | pickcoder 2.4 use sda and 2.6 too |
| 17:49.00 | lero_ | the initrd exists too |
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| 17:49.07 | lero_ | what else can be? |
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| 17:49.47 | brophat | potolo although by default it does not have a root user. and you gotta use sudo for eveything that requires root. but I am sure you can create a root account as well if you just find out how to do it. |
| 17:50.22 | holycow | hey guys |
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| 17:50.38 | holycow | which file contains the sessions programs lines one would setup via gui in gnome? |
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| 17:50.51 | holycow | i don't think its a gnome specific thing |
| 17:50.55 | potolo | lero_: kernel panic occurs when it tries to boot from a partition that doesn't house the root file system, or specified scsi when it was ide, etc. can type "root=/dev/hda1" or wherever root FS is located. maybe that'll fix it for you |
| 17:51.06 | potolo | lero_: if not I don't know myself |
| 17:51.21 | potolo | brophat: yes, I think their wiki has an article on it |
| 17:51.23 | pickcoder | lero_: you'll have to create the console file |
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| 17:51.33 | zrin | I'm netbooting a thin client with nfs root, so interfaces shall not include "auto eth0" - what is the Correct Debian Way (TM) ;) to add routes then? |
| 17:51.34 | lero_ | pickcoder: just makdev it? |
| 17:51.43 | wols | lero_: your initd is fucked |
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| 17:52.06 | lero_ | wols: gonna reinstall kernel 2.6 to see if it does right |
| 17:52.09 | pickcoder | wols: hm.. wouldn't the package recreate it? |
| 17:52.22 | wols | pickcoder: it should, yes |
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| 17:52.36 | wols | lero_: why do you use udev btw? that kernel won't support udev |
| 17:52.37 | brophat | potolo I am using slackware now, but debian has more developers and supports more platforms, and so I will prob move towards debian, but I am leaning towards ubuntu. |
| 17:52.44 | Azar | wols: MrWup was using testing aka etch. He had a 2.6.8 kernel that why I told him to get the 2.6.18 |
| 17:52.53 | potolo | abrotman: any ideas re the gksu removal? [again, with postinst/postrm verbose output: http://www.pastebin.ca/422748] | or anybody else of course |
| 17:53.16 | wols | Azar: he said he upgraded a 2.4.27 to 2.6.8. this tells me it's sarge. sarge has no udev |
| 17:53.30 | lero_ | wols: no. i installed udev to see if it resolve the problem |
| 17:53.31 | stew | !info udev sarge |
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| 17:53.33 | brophat | I am leaning towards eduubntu bwahahahaha |
| 17:53.36 | MrWup | Azar, all works fine now =] thanks |
| 17:53.39 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 17:53.47 | wols | first line of pstrm script: exit 0 |
| 17:54.08 | Azar | wols: < MrWup> debian testing 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 17:54.17 | wols | stew: but no kernel for sarge ever needed it, did it? |
| 17:54.18 | Azar | MrWup: sound ok? |
| 17:54.29 | wols | Azar: I was talking to lero |
| 17:54.30 | lero_ | the strange is |
| 17:54.33 | stew | wols: no kernel from debian has ever needed udev |
| 17:54.37 | Azar | ah.. I see |
| 17:54.44 | lero_ | the device don't change from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 17:54.53 | lero_ | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686-smp root=/dev/sda6 ro |
| 17:54.55 | lero_ | kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-cifs root=/dev/sda6 ro |
| 17:54.59 | zrin | what is the best way to add routing entries on a netboot "thin client", where eth0 is configured during boot (ip=dhcp option)? |
| 17:55.02 | potolo | wols: was the postrm script exit 0 comment for me? a suggestion I should add it? |
| 17:55.13 | lero_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.19 | wols | potolo: yes |
| 17:55.55 | stew | zrin: in an "up" line, (man interfaces) |
| 17:56.23 | MrWup | Azar, yeah its good |
| 17:56.42 | MrWup | Azar, could you remind me how to get the kernel source for my kernel? i need to install zaptel |
| 17:56.48 | Azar | MrWup: just for future reference, Debian testing is called Etch |
| 17:57.08 | MrWup | ok |
| 17:57.10 | MrWup | Etch |
| 17:57.16 | MrWup | stable is sarge, testing is Etch |
| 17:57.20 | Azar | MrWup: you can allways look with : apt-cache search linux-source |
| 17:57.21 | lero_ | wols so what can be the problem? |
| 17:57.26 | abrotman | potolo: does that command exist on your system ? |
| 17:57.43 | abrotman | potolo: when is the last time you ran apt-get update ? |
| 17:57.54 | abrotman | potolo: or a dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:57.59 | potolo | abrotman: within last day or so. |
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| 17:58.17 | abrotman | for both ? |
| 17:58.18 | potolo | wols suggested add exit 0 to postrm script. it successfully removed gksu. But... :( |
| 17:58.21 | Azar | MrWup: when you find it (same version as you use, I assume now 2.6.18 for your cpu) install it with : aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18......blabla |
| 17:58.27 | abrotman | potolo: you can do the same for postinst |
| 17:58.33 | MrWup | ok |
| 17:58.37 | MrWup | thanks |
| 17:58.38 | abrotman | potolo: it's not proper .. but it'll get the job done |
| 17:58.38 | potolo | I tried installing gtkorphan again, which in turn installs dep gksu and it died same error. |
| 17:58.46 | potolo | abrotman: I'll add exit 0 then :) |
| 17:58.49 | abrotman | potolo: you can do the set exit 0 |
| 17:58.51 | abrotman | the same |
| 17:59.54 | abrotman | !info gtkorphan etch |
| 17:59.57 | dpkg | gtkorphan: (A graphical tool to find and remove orphaned libraries), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 18:00.00 | Azar | MrWup: hahaha you freaked out when aptitude was removing packages huh? is called cleanup garbage and reinstall proper packages |
| 18:00.04 | potolo | abrotman: will do |
| 18:00.05 | abrotman | potolo: or oyu could just use deborphan :) |
| 18:00.25 | MrWup | Azar, zaptel says i dont have the linux source installed. i just installed it now it still says i havnt got it installed. |
| 18:00.40 | potolo | abrotman: tried. but need something gui-based for this I think. I use the CLI a lot though usually |
| 18:00.40 | abrotman | m-a |
| 18:00.43 | abrotman | potolo: deborphan works great .. i use it all the time |
| 18:00.49 | Azar | MrWup: what is zaptel? a debian package? |
| 18:00.55 | abrotman | !zaptel |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | how can the bot not know! |
| 18:01.11 | Azar | teach him |
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| 18:01.20 | MrWup | Azar, drivers for digium analogue telephone cards |
| 18:01.25 | MrWup | does work with debian |
| 18:01.33 | MrWup | i had it working before i updated the kernel |
| 18:01.55 | Azar | I don't know... never used such, try search : apt-cache search zaptel |
| 18:02.03 | potolo | abrotman: exit 0 installed the package and its dep succesfully |
| 18:02.12 | abrotman | yay .. i suppose :) |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 18:02.40 | Azar | huggles yayy |
| 18:02.46 | rgsteele | Hey abrotman... how did you register your authname as 'isnick'? |
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| 18:02.55 | abrotman | rgsteele: hey what who? |
| 18:02.56 | rgsteele | All these months in this channel and I never bothered to ask :) |
| 18:03.06 | abrotman | isnick ? |
| 18:03.09 | zrin | what is the best way to add routing entries on a netboot "thin client", where eth0 is configured during boot (ip=dhcp option - no "auto eth0")? |
| 18:03.13 | filleokus_ | is it hardwork to make all email for a user being forwarded to a gmail adress? |
| 18:03.16 | Ninjew | what's isnick? |
| 18:03.16 | potolo | one last thing: when you say it's nbt strictly proper to install by way of exit 0 - how bad is it? or unlikely to cause any probs? |
| 18:03.20 | abrotman | rgsteele: what are you talking about ? |
| 18:03.22 | Ninjew | sounds vaguely Polish. |
| 18:03.25 | rgsteele | When I hover over your name, it says irc://irc.freenode.net/abrotman,isnick |
| 18:03.45 | abrotman | potolo: just it doesn't do the commands that should be done after the install .. sometimes it's minor . sometimes pretty bad .. |
| 18:03.55 | potolo | abrotman: okey doke |
| 18:03.57 | abrotman | potolo: since i don't have the contents of the postinst script .. i can't say for certain |
| 18:04.19 | abrotman | potolo: let me look |
| 18:04.22 | Ninjew | abrotman: do you know anything of a unified 32/64-bit glibc for Debian? |
| 18:04.28 | abrotman | potolo: x86 ? |
| 18:04.32 | potolo | abrotman: should I pastebin them? |
| 18:04.32 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 18:04.33 | dpkg | i heard multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 18:04.35 | potolo | abrotman: yes |
| 18:04.37 | MrWup | ohh |
| 18:04.37 | abrotman | potolo: i can get them |
| 18:04.37 | jimbalaya | if I install testing now, and use it until it gets released as stable - what will i need to do in order to migrate with the release (ie: I run testing, testing gets released as stable, I run stable) |
| 18:04.40 | potolo | x86 etch |
| 18:04.43 | MrWup | i need the kernel headers |
| 18:04.43 | MrWup | shit |
| 18:04.56 | MrWup | i cant find the kernel headers for my kernel |
| 18:05.03 | rgsteele | abrotman: Didn't know what that was all about - seemed like a public key deal with freenode or something |
| 18:05.08 | MrWup | only seems to go up to 2.6.8-12 not 18 which is what i got |
| 18:05.14 | wols | jimbalaya: put "etch" in your sources.list |
| 18:05.31 | potolo | jimbalaya: just keep the apt-get repository lines as 'testing' if you want to move to sid when etch=stable, or leave as etch if not |
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| 18:05.38 | jimbalaya | wols: OH, instead of 'testing' just use 'etch' which will stay the same? |
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| 18:05.54 | wols | MrWup: do you have testing sources? if so, there are headers for your kernel version |
| 18:06.01 | wols | jimbalaya: yes |
| 18:06.10 | abrotman | rgsteele: i have no idea .. maybe it's your client ? |
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| 18:06.13 | potolo | jimbalaya: yes |
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| 18:06.24 | abrotman | potolo: if you run `update-desktop-database -q` manually .. what happens ? |
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| 18:06.28 | Azar | MrWup: http://dipper.info/project/asterisk-etch/ ? |
| 18:06.29 | MrWup | wols, i got etch kernel 2.6.8-18-686 |
| 18:06.49 | jimbalaya | that's cool... |
| 18:06.49 | rgsteele | abrotman: Appears to be a client-side behavior. Don't I feel silly ;-D |
| 18:06.53 | wols | MrWup: that is wrong |
| 18:06.54 | wols | this is no etch kernel |
| 18:06.54 | wols | in fact I doubt it's a debian kernel at all |
| 18:06.58 | potolo | abrotman: (as root). nothing. just goes to next line, no error |
| 18:07.08 | MrWup | eh |
| 18:07.09 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:11.51 | MrWup | wols, i did what Azar told me to get the new kernel |
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| 18:11.52 | MrWup | its a debian kernel surely? |
| 18:11.52 | potolo | abrotman: so, likely ok then? |
| 18:11.52 | wols | sarge has 2.6.8-4-686 and etch has 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:11.52 | perlmonkey | can't get php to work with mysql :-/ |
| 18:11.52 | MrWup | yeah that |
| 18:11.52 | MrWup | is what i meant |
| 18:11.52 | wols | MrWup: if this is the proper version of your kernel, then no it's not an etch kernel at all |
| 18:11.53 | abrotman | potolo: seems so |
| 18:11.53 | perlmonkey | Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() |
| 18:11.53 | MrWup | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:11.53 | abrotman | perlmonkey: php4-mysql or php5-mysql |
| 18:11.53 | potolo | perlmonkey: compiled PHP with the --with-mysql option? |
| 18:11.53 | MrWup | wols, oh. |
| 18:11.53 | perlmonkey | I installed both :( |
| 18:11.53 | abrotman | compile!? |
| 18:11.53 | potolo | or what abrotman said |
| 18:11.54 | abrotman | perlmonkey: apache1 or apache2 ? |
| 18:11.54 | potolo | g |
| 18:11.54 | perlmonkey | fuk compiling! |
| 18:11.54 | perlmonkey | apache2 |
| 18:11.54 | wols | MrWup: and if you have a 2.6.18 kernel then there are headers for it in debian repos |
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| 18:11.54 | mindframe_laptop | can i tell apt not to request a key for a certain repository>? |
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| 18:11.55 | abrotman | perlmonkey: grep mysql /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini | grep extension .. what does it say ? |
| 18:11.55 | MrWup | how do i find out if im etch or sarge? |
| 18:11.55 | wols | abrotman: what does apache matter? |
| 18:11.55 | abrotman | wols: which php.ini to grep :) |
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| 18:11.55 | perlmonkey | ;extension=mysql.so |
| 18:11.55 | wols | perlmonkey: remove the ; |
| 18:11.55 | potolo | what's the command to find what package a particular file belongs or belonged to? (an .so file) |
| 18:11.56 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:11.56 | abrotman | perlmonkey: then restart apache |
| 18:11.56 | wols | dpkg -S |
| 18:11.56 | abrotman | potolo: dpkg -S or apt-file search |
| 18:11.56 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 18:11.56 | Azar | MrWup: "There is no need to install the complete kernel-source package. Simply install the appropriate kernel-headers package for your current kernel and make sure that /usr/src/linux links to them" http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+Linux+Debian |
| 18:11.56 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 18:11.56 | potolo | wols: thanks |
| 18:11.57 | perlmonkey | abrotman: many thanks! |
| 18:11.58 | perlmonkey | phew im saved |
| 18:11.58 | abrotman | i'm a saviour! |
| 18:11.58 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:11.58 | Azar | MrWup: look in /etc/apt/sources.list and check if it says "testing" or "stable" |
| 18:12.00 | abrotman | MrWup: tried `m-a a-i zaptel` ? |
| 18:12.04 | wols | abrotman: do you redeem for cash prizes too? |
| 18:12.05 | MrWup | it must be a testing kernel |
| 18:12.05 | MrWup | cause i upgraded the dist with testing main instead of stable main |
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| 18:12.05 | MrWup | in the sources list |
| 18:12.05 | Azar | MrWup: ok so you are using testing: etch and just installed a 2.6.18 kernel do what abrotman said |
| 18:12.09 | wols | MrWup: apt-cache search linux-header |
| 18:12.28 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:12.33 | abrotman | m-a a-i should do that for him |
| 18:12.33 | Azar | damn zaptel thingie |
| 18:12.34 | MrWup | hmm |
| 18:12.34 | MrWup | well it wasnt listed |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | MrWup: m-a a-i zaptel .. should do it |
| 18:12.41 | HardDisk_WP | i have a compaq armadddda 7770dmt |
| 18:12.44 | Azar | MrWup: do what abrotman said |
| 18:12.53 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: does your 'd' key stick ? |
| 18:13.02 | HardDisk_WP | everytime i boot it, kde says it cant open /dev/dsp |
| 18:13.14 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, yes, my keyboard is b0rked |
| 18:13.19 | wols | !artsd |
| 18:13.19 | dpkg | [artsd] the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 18:13.20 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: exactly this "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" |
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| 18:13.30 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: and i mean *exactly* that |
| 18:13.44 | Azar | with " or without " ? :) |
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| 18:14.01 | abrotman | either should work |
| 18:14.12 | Azar | bash rocks |
| 18:14.15 | HardDisk_WP | kelt, restarting |
| 18:14.28 | HardDisk_WP | argh, what is going on w/ my keyb0ard? |
| 18:14.55 | zrin | abrotman: I bet you know this :) - what is the best way to add routing entries on a netboot "thin client" where eth0 is configured during boot (ip=dhcp option - no "auto eth0")? |
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| 18:15.24 | abrotman | zrin: eh .. i'd probably write my own init script .. but i'm sure there's a better way |
| 18:15.52 | abrotman | you could even put it in /etc/network/if-post-up.d/ |
| 18:16.56 | happy_broccoli | anyone know easy way to print a png via lpr? |
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| 18:17.48 | Azar | MrWup: if you would scroll down on this link http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+Linux+Debian where you can see " IVR Audio problems (kind of robotic voice) on TDM400P PSTN...." that is exactly what is to be done and exactly what abrotman told you |
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| 18:18.28 | ToHellWithGA | does the most recent business card CD support wireless networking? |
| 18:18.38 | zrin | abrotman: as there is no "auto eth0", ifup won't do anything |
| 18:19.55 | pickcoder | zrin: auto eth0 has nothing to do with the iface statements in interfaces |
| 18:20.05 | pickcoder | it simply brings up a device on boot |
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| 18:21.05 | zrin | pickcoder: IIUC the devices are configured through ifup -a in /etc/init.d/networking |
| 18:21.17 | pickcoder | if you say so |
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| 18:23.16 | zrin | abrotman: I'll add a /etc/init.d/routing script for now, but I'd like a better way - consistent with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:23.43 | bahadunn | abrotman: howdy |
| 18:24.10 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 18:24.12 | cydork | zrin: have you checked http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LtspDisklessWorkstation ? |
| 18:24.12 | HardDisk_WP | ndiswrapper tells me to recompile my kernel without 4k stack size option |
| 18:24.14 | HardDisk_WP | how do I do this? |
| 18:24.22 | stew | zrin: some dhcp servers can advertise a static route when it hands out a lease |
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| 18:24.57 | abrotman | zrin: not that i'm aware of |
| 18:24.59 | secureboot | when packaging a program, is there any way to say "I don't care if this .deb overwrites a file installed by another program - do it anyway"? |
| 18:25.16 | zrin | stew: I'm using dhcp3 ... i'll try that, but who knows if the kernels dhcp client understands that |
| 18:25.32 | ToHellWithGA | secureboot: does apt-get install -f do that? |
| 18:25.38 | stew | zrin: the kernel doesn't have a dhcp client |
| 18:25.43 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: you will have to build a new kernel package using make-kpkg |
| 18:25.51 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: ignore the error for now |
| 18:25.56 | pickcoder | see if you can get it working |
| 18:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, ok |
| 18:26.08 | pickcoder | if it blows up at some point, you will need to fix that |
| 18:26.13 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 18:26.40 | zrin | stew: how does it configure the interface on the ip=dhcp option? (for nfs root) |
| 18:26.59 | secureboot | ToHellWithGA, thanks - i foudn a similar option in dpkg |
| 18:27.00 | stew | zrin: oh, i don't konw about that |
| 18:27.43 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, ok. i make and make install'd ndiswrapper-1.41 |
| 18:28.05 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, what now? |
| 18:28.54 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: there are clear instructions on the wiki |
| 18:29.19 | karsten | pickcoder: That's why there's so much confusion. |
| 18:29.21 | pickcoder | as well as troubleshooting pointers |
| 18:29.29 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, so i should install the Windows driver for my wlan card? |
| 18:29.32 | karsten | pickcoder: If the instructions were opaque they'd be much easier to read. |
| 18:29.40 | pickcoder | karsten: heh |
| 18:30.02 | zrin | cydork: that document does not mention routing, thank you anyway |
| 18:30.03 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: you need the driver files |
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| 18:30.15 | pickcoder | put then in a location where they won't get deleted |
| 18:30.19 | pickcoder | s/then/them |
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| 18:30.28 | pickcoder | you may need to re-install them later |
| 18:31.15 | karsten | Given a list of packages which are untrusted, is there a recipie to find the GPG signing keys associated with the specific packages? I understand it's the package list itself that's signed, right? |
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| 18:31.30 | kevinl-- | cd/dvd burning software recommendations for gnome/x11/debian please ? |
| 18:31.54 | androide | hello, i'm using debian etch on my laptop, but when i login as user i can't type the 'e' letter |
| 18:32.02 | androide | when i login as root it works fine |
| 18:32.08 | androide | what could it be? |
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| 18:32.43 | karsten | androide: an rror |
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| 18:32.56 | androide | what's a "rror"? |
| 18:33.00 | ToHellWithGA | lol |
| 18:33.09 | karsten | androide: An error without an 'e' key. |
| 18:33.11 | ToHellWithGA | androide: s/e// |
| 18:34.01 | androide | i see, so you have the same problem |
| 18:34.01 | karsten | androide: Add 'locale' as the last line to your ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 18:34.01 | androide | try to fix it and tellme aboutit |
| 18:34.02 | karsten | androide: ... log out and back in as both root and user, see what the output is. |
| 18:34.02 | karsten | androide: I suspect a locale issue. |
| 18:34.02 | js_ | has anybody here successfully installed etch on a dell 1950? |
| 18:34.02 | karsten | androide: X or console? |
| 18:34.07 | karsten | !tell js_ about aks |
| 18:34.09 | karsten | !tell js_ about ask |
| 18:34.16 | androide | now it shows locale problems |
| 18:34.17 | karsten | js_: Just ask, don't poll. |
| 18:34.25 | androide | still with the 'e' problem |
| 18:34.35 | Vladi | hi, im having problems with an xfs file system i made with the etch kernel and now that i compiled my own 2.6.20 with XFS support i cannot mount my xfs partition are there some kernel dependencies or something that i am missing? |
| 18:34.56 | js_ | when i install etch it hangs on the part after ive selected apt mirrors and used tasksel |
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| 18:35.20 | ToHellWithGA | js_: does that happen with the GUI and the text installer? |
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| 18:35.36 | js_ | ToHellWithGA: i havent tried rc2 yet, but i just finished burning it |
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| 18:35.50 | ToHellWithGA | the minimal/business card CD was crashing/hanging my VM at that point when i used the GUI but not using the text-based installer |
| 18:36.11 | js_ | ToHellWithGA: alright |
| 18:36.12 | androide | karrotx: console |
| 18:36.20 | ToHellWithGA | downloading rc disks is awfully wasteful if you can use apt-proxy and a minimal disk |
| 18:36.22 | karrotx | wow |
| 18:36.22 | androide | on terminals under X11 have the same problem |
| 18:36.30 | karrotx | you are absolutely retarded |
| 18:36.49 | ToHellWithGA | karrotx: way to be rude |
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| 18:37.17 | androide | who's rude? |
| 18:37.25 | karrotx | people are retarded, the ****ing irc client tab completes it for them, but they still can't get that right |
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| 18:37.34 | karrotx | karsten not karrotx |
| 18:37.42 | karrotx | two entirely different names |
| 18:37.50 | EmergeTW | what is that command that strips all the htmltags from a html file? |
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| 18:37.55 | ToHellWithGA | while maintaining your rudeness, "dumb" or "stupid" would suffice in the place of "retarded" without singling out and mocking a handicapped demographic. |
| 18:38.12 | karrotx | ToHellWithGA: you fill the quota |
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| 18:38.34 | androide | karrotx: sorry about that, i suppose you were SO busy |
| 18:38.38 | cydork | EmergeTW: perl script. |
| 18:38.39 | dondelelcaro | karrotx: more to the point, it's not appropriate to be disparaging at all. If you don't want to hear someone, and don't like their contribution, /ignore them. |
| 18:38.45 | androide | karsten: console, under X11 have the same problem |
| 18:38.51 | androide | but on TERMINALS |
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| 18:38.56 | cydork | EmergeTW: or w3m --dump :P |
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| 18:39.20 | EmergeTW | cydork, I thought there used to be a command called striphtml or something, hmm |
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| 18:39.45 | dondelelcaro | androide: if you can't type e, then you probably have the wrong keyboard selected. use xkbsel or similar to choose the proper one |
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| 18:40.02 | androide | BUT it just happend while being user |
| 18:40.05 | androide | not with a root login |
| 18:40.16 | cydork | EmergeTW: html2text ? |
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| 18:40.51 | EmergeTW | cydork, that didnt work so well, it left all kinds of weird characters in the output |
| 18:40.52 | dondelelcaro | androide: first off, you shouldn't ever be using root to log into X; second, that's normal; something is likely using xmodmap to change the assignment of e for whatever reason. |
| 18:41.11 | androide | I'M NOT LOGIN X AS ROOT |
| 18:41.31 | androide | isn't a X11 problem |
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| 18:41.41 | ToHellWithGA | <3 all caps |
| 18:41.45 | dondelelcaro | androide: 11:40:05 <androide> not with a root login <-- so then how did you know it didn't work? |
| 18:41.52 | js_ | what is the command to launch the text-based installed? i can't press the F1 key |
| 18:42.14 | dondelelcaro | js_: from the install cd? |
| 18:42.21 | androide | when i log into X as user, then open a terminal, login as root it doesn't have the problem |
| 18:42.22 | js_ | dondelelcaro: yes, rc2 |
| 18:42.28 | dondelelcaro | js_: just press return |
| 18:42.30 | androide | how hard to understand could be? |
| 18:42.33 | js_ | dondelelcaro: it hangs on the floppy detection thing |
| 18:42.33 | cydork | EmergeTW: i dont know anything else then .. :) |
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| 18:43.01 | dondelelcaro | js_: hrm; try noacpi for starters on the kernel command line. |
| 18:43.05 | js_ | alright |
| 18:43.25 | dondelelcaro | androide: you don't login as root to terminals in X. Do you mean that you su to root in the terminal? |
| 18:43.35 | androide | that i mean |
| 18:43.51 | karsten | karrotx: Collate lower ;-) |
| 18:44.00 | dondelelcaro | androide: and what does xev; say when you hit the e key? |
| 18:44.05 | js_ | dondelelcaro: no luck.. is there a command line to disable the floppy check? (if thats it) |
| 18:44.22 | androide | xev?. what's that? |
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| 18:44.55 | Azar | js_: do you happen to have something stuffed on your floppy drive? |
| 18:44.56 | karsten | js_: What floppy check where? On boot as part of the BIOS scan? That's handled in BIOS. |
| 18:44.59 | dondelelcaro | js_: if you see that it's checking the floppy, it's most likely whatever happens after it, but the install manual lists all of the options that are accepted as well as the help menus when you hit f1-~10 |
| 18:45.03 | dondelelcaro | androide: man xev |
| 18:45.11 | js_ | there is no floppy drive |
| 18:45.19 | Azar | huh |
| 18:45.24 | alex116 | so i have this hd, 300gb, formatted to fat32 using linux. Installed win2k and it thinks its 127Gb unformatted volume. Any way I can have the data in win2k? |
| 18:45.26 | js_ | it detects that there is none |
| 18:45.36 | Azar | check your bios bootup settings: primary boot device, secondary..etc |
| 18:45.38 | js_ | and then the installer hangs.. its when the installer loads the kernel |
| 18:45.51 | abaddon | hi, any way i can restrict apt-get from command line to only run on security updates etch/updates? i have tried with -t (this is more like a priority? not an ignore) or making a security.list, but apt-get always parses sources.list.d/ as well, and i cant set Dir::Etc::Parts to "" to not get parsed |
| 18:45.55 | karsten | alex116: ISTR there's a Windows max VFAT32 size of about 127 GB. |
| 18:45.55 | dondelelcaro | js_: if it's checking the floppy, it's already loaded and is running the kernel. |
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| 18:46.09 | androide | holy shit |
| 18:46.17 | androide | i told you that isn't an X problem |
| 18:46.21 | js_ | dondelelcaro: ok, yes, but it doesnt get further than that |
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| 18:46.37 | Azar | androide got the boot? |
| 18:46.48 | karsten | Azar: Yep. |
| 18:46.52 | Azar | hehe |
| 18:46.57 | _coma | alex116 |
| 18:46.59 | Azar | it got to don delecaro's hair |
| 18:47.06 | alex116 | _coma |
| 18:47.22 | _coma | im not sure if this will solve the problem with fat32, but you should install win2k sp3 or winxp sp1 for support over 127GiB |
| 18:47.35 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: you generally don't want to do that; security updates don't only go into testing/updates. |
| 18:47.37 | _coma | you'll have to reformat it though |
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| 18:48.11 | alex116 | ok. I'll check that out. |
| 18:48.14 | xand | why would you need to reformat it? |
| 18:48.31 | abaddon | dondelelcaro: this is for an autoupdater on a network cluster, i want to restrict auto* to only come from security.debian.. |
| 18:48.32 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: that said, you can do it using pinning if you really want. man apt_preferences; for details. |
| 18:48.48 | _coma | i dont know, maybe if you put some files on it or windows did something to it |
| 18:48.56 | js_ | dondelelcaro: is the command line to start the installer without acpi "linux noacpi"? |
| 18:49.02 | _coma | either ways in my case winxp wouldnt recognize the size 'change' after installing support for it |
| 18:49.10 | dondelelcaro | js_: install noacpi; iirc. |
| 18:49.17 | abaddon | dondelelcaro: -t option, maybe i used it wrong because it still seemed like using the whole sources.list, ill try again |
| 18:49.23 | js_ | dondelelcaro: because i just noticed it got further now and theres 8 "acpi: getting cpuindex for xxxx" under it |
| 18:49.26 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: it always uses the whole sources.list |
| 18:49.26 | js_ | alright |
| 18:49.43 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: all -t does is change the priority of the specified distribution |
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| 18:49.46 | xand | if you're running win2k you should have SP4... and if XP should have SP2 |
| 18:50.03 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: if you want to use a specific sources.list, use the -o Dir::Etc::SourcesList option; man apt.conf for details. |
| 18:50.18 | _coma | nah, sp3/sp1 respectively give support for 48bit logical block addressing |
| 18:50.28 | _coma | personally i hate sp2 |
| 18:50.34 | _coma | stupid security center is very annoying |
| 18:50.39 | xand | not for that reason |
| 18:50.42 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: but if you're running this on a cluster, you really should have your own local debian mirror, and only put packages which you have specifically vetted as being OK to run on the cluster there. |
| 18:50.51 | xand | _coma: it's easily ignored |
| 18:50.55 | abaddon | dondelelcaro: so even if security comes first, wont it still use the other repos listed? i used Dir::Etc::SourcesList, problem is i cant set Dir::Etc::Parts to null |
| 18:51.03 | PupenoR | Why is trac marked for removal when I try to install libapache2-mod-python? |
| 18:51.06 | bzed | !kill the MPL |
| 18:51.12 | bzed | thanks dpkg |
| 18:51.12 | dpkg | bzed: de nada |
| 18:51.18 | dondelelcaro | abaddon: no, because you specify a SourcesList which only has security listed. |
| 18:51.31 | abaddon | dondelelcaro: i can set it to something not existing but that might not be good, ok thanks ill try with pining (-t) |
| 18:51.36 | deadcat | how do i know what the max size that qmail can accept an email? |
| 18:51.39 | dustybin | i did a apt-get update and every single one of my sources failed? |
| 18:51.40 | dustybin | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 18:51.48 | dustybin | how strange |
| 18:51.51 | _coma | well xand, i dunno :p i just preferred to stay with sp1, and im going to until vista starts being a requirement for games |
| 18:52.03 | bzed | dustybin: use a different mirror or jsut wait some hours, that usually fixes it |
| 18:52.13 | xand | SP2 is a requirement for many things :P |
| 18:52.19 | dustybin | bzed: its not just 1 mirror, its all of them :-S |
| 18:52.27 | _coma | havent seen anything like that yet :p |
| 18:52.34 | deadcat | dustybin: try .de mirror. |
| 18:52.35 | bzed | dustybin: that sounds like a broken *whatever* then :P |
| 18:52.40 | xand | wireless support in SP2 is much better |
| 18:52.47 | _coma | well, i suppose |
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| 18:53.07 | bzed | dustybin: ftp.de.debian.org works well via ftp |
| 18:53.15 | dustybin | the problem is due to my box, this machine with same sources is ok |
| 18:53.16 | _coma | but i recently reformatted my friend's computer and installed sp1a, she uses wireless not even from her own house (thief!:p) and hardly gets disconnected |
| 18:53.29 | dustybin | my apt-get is broke :-S |
| 18:53.38 | dustybin | holy shmuck |
| 18:53.58 | _coma | she has a proprietory network card though and nothing recognizes it without installing the software for it |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | apt-get doesn't ... just break |
| 18:54.10 | _coma | they see it as some intel lan card, which is weird |
| 18:54.21 | dustybin | i know what it could be, my iptables settings |
| 18:54.33 | dustybin | what ports do apt-get install use? |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | 80 ? |
| 18:54.57 | dustybin | what ports do apt-get update uses 80 |
| 18:54.58 | dustybin | yes |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | if you're using http sources |
| 18:55.18 | dustybin | i installed squid and a special iptables setting |
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| 18:55.38 | bzed | dustybin: lol, don;t complain then |
| 18:55.55 | dustybin | this could be the problem: |
| 18:55.57 | dustybin | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
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| 18:56.28 | dustybin | squid doesnt like respos |
| 18:57.15 | bzed | dustybin: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html |
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| 18:57.40 | abrotman | dustybin: does your proxy require a password ? |
| 18:57.48 | dustybin | no |
| 18:58.02 | dustybin | i dont do passwords on LAN |
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| 19:00.05 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, the thing with /dev/dsp still doesnt work, although the error msg doesnt appear any more |
| 19:00.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:00.18 | HardDisk_WP | but it still dont play any sound, and /dev/dsp still is not present |
| 19:00.28 | EmergeTW | I'm trying to parse a bunch of text and replace everything upto and including SAR with C, but I cant remember the wild card to use with sed, is it something like: sed s/*SAR/C/ ? |
| 19:01.08 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, do you know how to get sound working? |
| 19:01.29 | Gathond | EmergeTW: make that .*SAR |
| 19:01.32 | cydork | EmergeTW: .*SAR? |
| 19:01.44 | ToHellWithGA | EmergeTW: i think it is something like s/.* |
| 19:01.52 | ToHellWithGA | s/.*SAR// |
| 19:01.53 | EmergeTW | perfect, I knew It was something like that, thanks |
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| 19:03.04 | kbidd | anyone know the minimum system requirements for debian? |
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| 19:03.14 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: define 'not working' |
| 19:04.10 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i dont hear anything, although the volume control of the laptop is maximum |
| 19:04.15 | jetscreamer | 16mb |
| 19:04.19 | jetscreamer | 386 |
| 19:04.19 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 19:04.20 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:04.29 | jetscreamer | 16mb ram i mean |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | kbidd: why .. how bad is your system ? |
| 19:05.01 | kbidd | good processor, but only 64M of ram |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 19:05.23 | kbidd | its a "new" one from someone who was gonna throw it out |
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| 19:07.01 | rednaxel | is there a better way to use my own IP in a script than "ifconfig | grep | cut" ?!? |
| 19:07.12 | abrotman | use or get ? |
| 19:07.31 | rednaxel | get |
| 19:07.46 | rednaxel | it's an old need |
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| 19:08.50 | abrotman | ip perhaps ? |
| 19:09.19 | abrotman | ah .. not much better |
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| 19:10.06 | pinks | can anyone please tell me how to rip the audio out of a quicktime movie into an mp3 file? |
| 19:10.21 | rednaxel | abrotman, "ip" ? |
| 19:10.34 | abrotman | in the iproute package .. but it would still require grep/cut i think |
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| 19:11.04 | defcon8 | pinks, have a look at sox, I think |
| 19:11.12 | defcon8 | pinks, oh, I know. mplayer -ao pcm |
| 19:11.16 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 19:11.22 | defcon8 | pinks, do a man mplayer and have a look at -ao pcm |
| 19:11.22 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 19:11.35 | pinks | defcon8: great - thanks |
| 19:11.38 | defcon8 | np |
| 19:11.52 | jetscreamer | mpalyer |
| 19:12.14 | rednaxel | abrotman, I wonder if I should write a "whatismylocalip" app |
| 19:12.14 | defcon8 | jetscreamer, too late :p |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | rednaxel: or just use grep/cut :) |
| 19:12.26 | defcon8 | rednaxel, ipconfig ? |
| 19:12.41 | xand | COMPUTER |
| 19:12.42 | defcon8 | oh cool, I never knew about cut |
| 19:12.54 | rednaxel | I hate that grep/cut solution... it's an ugly hack |
| 19:13.18 | rednaxel | defcon8, it would be "iFconfig" |
| 19:13.48 | defcon8 | rednaxel, yeah sorry. |
| 19:13.59 | defcon8 | that's retroactive interference for you |
| 19:14.07 | js_ | it seems like d-i forgets a |
| 19:14.09 | js_ | module |
| 19:14.22 | rednaxel | but it's an ugly hack... any small change in the ifconfig output would render your script useless |
| 19:14.23 | js_ | megaraid_lsi |
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| 19:14.54 | rednaxel | even another "locale" could ruin it... if instead of "inet" they use another string... |
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| 19:16.37 | dondelelcaro | ragedragon: so use ip addr show dev eth0; or similar. |
| 19:16.49 | dondelelcaro | ragedragon: and it's not like you couldn't prefix the call to ifconfig with LANG=C |
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| 19:18.38 | filleokus_ | hey, if i want defaults and user mount can in fstab can i just do "defualts, user" |
| 19:18.40 | ChaosR | YaY, new problem, how do I tell wine to use alsa, should I recompile it manually or something? |
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| 19:19.23 | abrotman | ask #winehq .. there's a setting for that in the wine config file |
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| 19:19.45 | abrotman | something like sounddrv=alsa.so or something |
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| 19:20.04 | jetscreamer | zomg where is the gebian support channel!!! |
| 19:20.11 | jetscreamer | (note the G) |
| 19:20.34 | jetscreamer | or kebian! |
| 19:20.46 | jetscreamer | xebian? |
| 19:21.02 | jetscreamer | i comand you to laugh! |
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| 19:21.07 | jetscreamer | command even |
| 19:21.43 | rgsteele | Tough crowd, jetscreamer. |
| 19:21.45 | jelly | !penixsmite jetscreamer |
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| 19:22.04 | jelly | HEY, bot, where's the pain?! |
| 19:22.10 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite jelly |
| 19:22.17 | jetscreamer | you could spell it correctly |
| 19:22.22 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike jelly |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:22.33 | jetscreamer | there used to be many penix factoids... :/ |
| 19:22.39 | jelly | smiting comes from heavens |
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| 19:23.05 | jetscreamer | now there's just a wetspot |
| 19:23.26 | jelly | /msg dpkg listkeys penix |
| 19:23.40 | Axehat | Hmm... X just retarded... er... restarted for no reason |
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| 19:24.06 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 19:25.44 | jelly | !be a penix barbie |
| 19:25.44 | dpkg | Aww, penix is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
| 19:26.45 | Demus | [21:07:51] <prism> bjorkBSD, I just found a windows 98 iso, 3G of irc logs, and a cache of saved comics + freebsd 4.0's iso |
| 19:26.45 | Demus | [21:08:08] <bjorkBSD> you must be hosting the whole web on that machine of yours. |
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| 19:29.01 | ManuP | is there an other programm to cut videos like avidemux. i cant compile it. |
| 19:29.03 | karsten | ManuP: kino? |
| 19:29.16 | ManuP | karsten, sounds like an kde-program |
| 19:29.19 | rgsteele | jelly: Haha :) |
| 19:30.35 | jetscreamer | ManuP: can't compile avidemux is what you say? just apt-get it |
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| 19:31.04 | karsten | ManuP: nope. |
| 19:31.08 | ManuP | jetscreamer, i didnt find it in aptitude.. lets see what it tells aftern an update |
| 19:31.16 | ManuP | karsten, okay |
| 19:31.20 | jetscreamer | ManuP: it's on marrilat.. err debian-multimedia |
| 19:31.24 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 19:31.24 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
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| 19:32.04 | ManuP | jetscreamer, i see... |
| 19:32.34 | Cucu_monter | Hi there!! some one can tell me how change my bootsplash in my vectorlinux? |
| 19:32.35 | ManuP | jetscreamer, i managed to get the jsapi header-file.. now make is comlaining about lame.. i just reinstalled it. |
| 19:32.38 | jetscreamer | ManuP: avidemux, acidrip, mplayer, ffmpeg... the list goes one and on... |
| 19:32.42 | karsten | ManuP: You can determine that yourself w/ 'apt-cache show <packagename>' and noting deps. |
| 19:32.52 | karsten | !tell Cucu_monter about not debian |
| 19:33.00 | jetscreamer | ManuP: i just install the package, never tried compiling it |
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| 19:34.03 | ManuP | karsten, yes, right, i see. only many, many libs *g* |
| 19:34.10 | jetscreamer | actually i 'might' have compiled avidemux once.... but quite a while ago |
| 19:34.40 | jelly | Does anyone have the sources for the latest version of elm-me+ that was in Debian, 2.4pl25ME+100-2 and can they put them online? (snapshots.d.n doesn't) |
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| 19:34.58 | karsten | ManuP: I don't see at in there off the top, I do see libgtk2, so it's not KDE. |
| 19:35.00 | jetscreamer | just use marillat and install the package ManuP |
| 19:35.13 | karsten | ManuP: I don't see *qt*. |
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| 19:35.36 | ManuP | karsten, right. |
| 19:35.41 | ManuP | jetscreamer, marillat is good? |
| 19:35.43 | jetscreamer | you'll probably want almost all those packages anyway |
| 19:35.44 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 19:35.59 | ManuP | hm, okay, if you tell, i'll try |
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| 19:36.15 | jetscreamer | they wouldn't call it debian-multimedia for nothing |
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| 19:36.34 | dexomsrc | I connect to my Debian IMAPS and SMTPS server using Icedove, with SSL set for both IMAP and SMTP. I was under the impression that using these protocols means that the authentication is automatically encrypted as well as the data streams. |
| 19:36.40 | jetscreamer | he probably had to prove himself and pass 50,000 tests just to use the word debian :o |
| 19:37.13 | dexomsrc | Is this true? If so, then why does THunderbird/Icedove have extra configuration options besides SSL to specify the encryption method for login information? |
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| 19:37.36 | jelly | jetscreamer: Debian Aztec Challenge? |
| 19:37.41 | GhostlyDeath | How do I list all files and directories in /etc/ that were modified today? |
| 19:37.45 | ManuP | jetscreamer, marillat is in multimedia as well? |
| 19:38.08 | jetscreamer | ManuP: same thing |
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| 19:38.17 | jetscreamer | the name changed |
| 19:38.21 | wols | dexomsrc: it is not true |
| 19:38.23 | jetscreamer | to debian-multimedia |
| 19:38.36 | wols | TLS is transport layer security, not authentification |
| 19:38.44 | jetscreamer | fication |
| 19:38.44 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one help me figure out why the debian (sarge) system has a sar output with idle time 0% all the time when infact the idle time is 97% according to top http://rafb.net/p/UtAOBE31.html |
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| 19:39.23 | cydork | GhostlyDeath: with find? hint ctime? |
| 19:39.36 | dexomsrc | I wols: I'm using SSL though, not TLS. TLS works on the same port as normal IMAP (143) and SMTP (25), but SSL I thought was different: I connect on TCP 993 for IMAPS and TCP 465 for SMTPS. |
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| 19:40.38 | xerophyte_ | how can i tell this command to forward for all the ip on the server /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport port_for_server -i eth0 -j DNAT --to server_ip:25 ? |
| 19:41.00 | xand | dexomsrc: all the traffic is encrypted with SSL yes, including authentication |
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| 19:41.26 | xand | dexomsrc: but some servers only encrypt the authentication which is what those options are for |
| 19:42.21 | dexomsrc | xand: A logical thing to do in my mind would be to grey out all authentication encryption options as soon as SSL is selected |
| 19:42.28 | dexomsrc | For the clients I mean |
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| 19:42.43 | dexomsrc | Is this behavior consisten with your understanding of what's going on? |
| 19:43.13 | dexomsrc | I mean once you select SSL none of the authentication encryption options cease to matter (actually they only mess things up... I can't log in unless PLAIN is selected!) |
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| 19:44.53 | xand | dexomsrc: some servers support both |
| 19:44.55 | xand | SSL + SPA |
| 19:44.57 | xand | for example |
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| 19:45.59 | dexomsrc | Ahh |
| 19:46.16 | dexomsrc | So inside of the SSL tunnel it uses SPA for auth? |
| 19:46.19 | xand | yes |
| 19:46.58 | rahul | !penixstrike dudeman |
| 19:46.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dudeman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:48.05 | jelly | !penixstrike |
| 19:48.06 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
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| 19:48.21 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 19:49.30 | x_link | Is Debian Reference a book or what? |
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| 19:50.08 | vin` | x_link: it's packaged as well, package debian-reference |
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| 19:50.13 | ManuP | jetscreamer, is this mirror you just gave me save? |
| 19:50.39 | Mynthon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.41 | Mynthon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.43 | Mynthon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.12 | ChaosR | !wine alsa |
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| 19:51.24 | ChaosR | can someone change that to: apt-get install libwine-alsa |
| 19:51.47 | ManuP | !wine.alsa |
| 19:53.20 | jelly | eh, it's kinda trivial to find that one out with apt-cache search wine alsa |
| 19:53.41 | ChaosR | hehe |
| 19:53.51 | x_link | vin`: Okej, thanks. |
| 19:53.54 | jetscreamer | yes ManuP |
| 19:54.50 | ManuP | jetscreamer, okay, i added http://www.debian-multimedia.org to my sources.lst. but i cant find marillant in the repos :( |
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| 19:55.24 | jelly | ManuP: Marillat is the guy that maintains that repo |
| 19:55.25 | cydork | ManuP: marillat is http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:55.36 | jetscreamer | ManuP: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
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| 19:55.45 | jetscreamer | change sid to whatever |
| 19:55.58 | jetscreamer | #deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 19:56.05 | ManuP | oooopppssss. sorry for that fauxpas |
| 19:56.07 | jetscreamer | do apt-get update |
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| 19:56.36 | ManuP | jetscreamer, i thougt marillat is the program... i will install now avidemux |
| 19:56.38 | jelly | ManuP: people are referring to the repo itself as marillat because it didn't have a decent name |
| 19:56.50 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 19:56.51 | jelly | s/didn't/used to not have/ |
| 19:56.52 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 19:57.14 | ManuP | i see |
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| 19:57.17 | jetscreamer | ManuP: right, apt-get update && apt-get install avidemux |
| 19:57.23 | kiba-kun | is there a way to switch the clock to military time? |
| 19:57.41 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:57.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:57.44 | jelly | kiba-kun: choose life. choose UTC. |
| 19:57.53 | dkr | kiba-kun: which clock? |
| 19:57.55 | kiba-kun | I already choose UTC |
| 19:58.03 | kiba-kun | kde's clock |
| 19:58.10 | ChaosR | why is everything using OSS standard and why do people need to change this everytime to ALSA again |
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| 19:58.18 | jelly | kiba-kun: I thought "zulu time" _was_ UTC. |
| 19:58.23 | jetscreamer | there should be an option in the control panel in the tme section kiba-kun |
| 19:58.26 | jetscreamer | time |
| 19:58.28 | dkr | kiba-kun: when I run "date" I already get 24hr clock |
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| 19:58.43 | capiira | hmmm hi anyone if its possible to let a QT app use the gnome theme in gnome like its possible to let a gtk app use the qt/kde theme inside kde? |
| 19:58.43 | mifritscher | hi |
| 19:58.50 | jelly | oh, "military time" means 24hr clock? |
| 19:58.51 | jetscreamer | control center not panel, oops |
| 19:58.56 | jetscreamer | yes it does jelly |
| 19:59.02 | dkr | kiba-kun: ah, you mean in a graphical panel that display time? jut look for a preference setting, right-click perhaps? |
| 19:59.13 | dkr | jelly: yes |
| 19:59.17 | kiba-kun | I think I did it |
| 19:59.18 | jetscreamer | or maybe just right click the clocklike he said |
| 19:59.23 | jelly | jetscreamer: you funny USofAans |
| 19:59.23 | kiba-kun | but it tell me to log out :( |
| 19:59.40 | kiba-kun | 2 things I hate to do. |
| 19:59.45 | kiba-kun | restart and logout |
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| 20:00.02 | jetscreamer | jelly: it's more that the military is the only ones who use 24 hr clocks... or were |
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| 20:00.22 | kiba-kun | military times are what everyone in the world use |
| 20:00.26 | kiba-kun | except the Amercians |
| 20:00.31 | jetscreamer | oh really? |
| 20:00.32 | d0sen | hi, who know where i can get trial vps hosting? |
| 20:00.35 | kiba-kun | who refuses to switch to the meteric system too |
| 20:00.38 | kiba-kun | pain in the ass |
| 20:00.41 | jetscreamer | d0sen: jodohost.com |
| 20:00.46 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 20:00.48 | dkr | they even speak the time differently in the military, like pronouncing the 0 and omitting the hour minute separation :) e.g. "I wake up up at oh seven hundred" |
| 20:00.51 | jetscreamer | i know they have trials |
| 20:00.58 | jetscreamer | can't swear about vps |
| 20:01.11 | kiba-kun | dkr: they say oh seven hundred hours |
| 20:01.17 | kiba-kun | not oh seven hundred |
| 20:01.20 | ManuP | jetscreamer, thank you for your patience with me :) |
| 20:01.26 | jetscreamer | np ManuP |
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| 20:01.29 | beetlepun_ | hi |
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| 20:01.38 | dkr | kiba-kun: is there a manual? |
| 20:01.40 | jelly | funny how a hundred means a different thing in base-60 |
| 20:01.48 | jetscreamer | or in base2 |
| 20:02.03 | kiba-kun | dkr: that what I got from wikipedia |
| 20:02.12 | jetscreamer | my old man worked on octal computers |
| 20:02.15 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 20:02.27 | BlueParrot | ok the one who make the "10" types of people in world joke gets a slap in the face :P |
| 20:02.39 | jetscreamer | somebody has that in a /quit msg |
| 20:02.44 | jelly | eightteen, nineteen, ayeteen, beeteen, ceeteen, ... efteen, twenty! |
| 20:02.51 | rahul | in the old lisps, the default number base was 8 |
| 20:03.02 | kiba-kun | There are 10 kind of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 20:03.15 | jetscreamer | slap him! |
| 20:03.23 | rahul | you had to do "10." to get ten, because "10" was eight. |
| 20:03.23 | dkr | kiba-kun: you didn't read the wikipedia article very well. :) "U.S. military uses the 24-hour clock exclusively and would typically pronounce full hours as the number-word for the hour followed by "hundred" with an optional "hours" to clarify that the speaker is referring to a time of day." |
| 20:03.40 | BlueParrot | kiba-kun: what about the other 1000 ? |
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| 20:03.58 | jetscreamer | i get to fix my radiator on my van... this is me procrastinating |
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| 20:05.06 | dkr | how do you fix a radiator? weld shut any holes? |
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| 20:05.36 | BlueParrot | it might just be clogged... |
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| 20:05.37 | sys | isn't there any torrents or mirrors of etch d-i iso images? |
| 20:05.42 | kofler | How do I fix this error I get from unison?: Fatal error: exception Util.Fatal("Environment variable HOME not found") |
| 20:05.57 | BlueParrot | ouch |
| 20:06.10 | asg | kofler: set a HOME variable, at a guess |
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| 20:06.25 | BlueParrot | I like what one of my friends managed |
| 20:06.30 | BlueParrot | He got ls to segfault :P |
| 20:06.37 | kiba-kun | cool |
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| 20:07.29 | BlueParrot | he wa strying to install gentoo and it took too long to compile so he decided to use several machines at once, not realising he had to ensure they were all using the same architecture and gcc version |
| 20:07.33 | kiba-kun | my desktop is a useless piece of junk |
| 20:08.09 | kiba-kun | it is just a decoration background |
| 20:08.25 | kiba-kun | although the upcoming kde4 promises to make it useful |
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| 20:09.53 | PupenoR | How do I install another locale on my Debian box? |
| 20:10.39 | Gnea | !locales |
| 20:10.39 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 20:10.45 | Gnea | !locale |
| 20:10.45 | dpkg | locale is, like, something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 20:11.07 | jelly | My root window has cool black animated 3d thingies on black background. Only they can't be seen. What is this "desktop" you speak of? |
| 20:11.28 | Axehat | Who prefers text-mode over X? |
| 20:11.46 | xand | Axehat: depends what it's for |
| 20:11.56 | BlueParrot | Why does thsi remind me of the "real programmers" entry in the jargon file ... |
| 20:12.27 | Axehat | xand: Coding etc. |
| 20:12.31 | Axehat | or generally |
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| 20:13.41 | jelly | Axehat: visual terminals are for pussies. Real men use punch cards. |
| 20:13.57 | Axehat | haha! |
| 20:14.06 | PupenoR | Gnea: thanks. |
| 20:14.31 | BlueParrot | actually the abacus isn't turing complete is it ? |
| 20:14.32 | kiba-kun | local time and 12 hours and daylight saving time format are for pussies |
| 20:14.40 | RvGaTe | any guides on how to reinstall grub after a windows install ? |
| 20:14.45 | kiba-kun | real men use 24hrs format, and UTC |
| 20:17.08 | RvGaTe | with a boot cd or whatever.. |
| 20:17.08 | jelly | RvGaTe: was it installed in the master boot? |
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| 20:17.09 | ManuP | avidemux is a great program. and it is fast |
| 20:17.09 | jelly | RvGaTe: you could boot a livecd, mount your / somewhere, chroot to it and rerun grub-install |
| 20:17.09 | cydork | RvGaTe: /msg dpkg fixgrub |
| 20:17.09 | BlueParrot | kiba-kun: pffft, real men use Planch units |
| 20:17.10 | RvGaTe | jelly, dunno where it has been installed currently... but currently have a dualboot... with windowsxp and debian, back then i installed windows first, then debian... now my windows is fucked and i need to reinstall windows |
| 20:17.10 | RvGaTe | fixgrub, got it |
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| 20:17.10 | BlueParrot | kiba-kun: alternatively , "real men synch to a stratum 1 server every 5 milliseconds" :P |
| 20:17.11 | BlueParrot | *cough* D-link *cough* |
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| 20:17.28 | jelly | BlueParrot: nope, real men have their own atomic clocks |
| 20:17.28 | scruffy | anyone have any insight into LogWatch's /etc/conf/ignore.conf syntax? I added this http://rafb.net/p/A8v9eD40.html, yet those entries still appear, http://rafb.net/p/nG1i7f89.html. |
| 20:17.33 | xand | what about real parrots? |
| 20:17.45 | BlueParrot | xand: we rest |
| 20:17.48 | cydork | jelly: real men use stars to tell time :P |
| 20:17.48 | jelly | xand: they interpret Perl 6 |
| 20:18.01 | xand | how does that keep time? |
| 20:18.21 | BlueParrot | jelly you didn't hear about the whole D-link ntp scandal then ? |
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| 20:19.05 | BlueParrot | D-link decided to be clever and stuck the domain of Denmark's only stratum-1 ntp server in their router firmware |
| 20:19.08 | jelly | BlueParrot: nope, but it sounds like you've already written the gist of it |
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| 20:20.12 | BlueParrot | basically they went and completely assraped the ntp protocol and since it was in their routers that they sold some few hundred thousands of they DDOSed Denmark's timekeeping more or less |
| 20:20.25 | BlueParrot | or well, the only open access stratum-1 server that is |
| 20:20.33 | xand | haha |
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| 20:21.13 | BlueParrot | they then denied it and tried to accuse the guy who managed the server of trying to pressure them for money |
| 20:21.14 | BlueParrot | then they got /.ed |
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| 20:21.41 | BlueParrot | Netgear wasn't quite that bad, they only took down the university of wisconsisn :P |
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| 20:23.35 | wuming | is that possible to CVS checkout a module with revision < 1.4.23 (just example revision number) |
| 20:23.56 | RvGaTe | cydork, can i use the bootable gui etch install cd to do the grub reinstall ? |
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| 20:24.40 | BarryAllen | hi all, somebody using sarge + ldap there? |
| 20:24.41 | dondelelcaro | wuming: use the -r option; however, CVS revisions don't work for the repository; they're per-file. |
| 20:24.53 | BarryAllen | im having a lot of problems, with permissions in groups |
| 20:25.08 | Gnea | BlueParrot: that's what happens when people who don't understand technology are put in charge of making sure that it's put to 'good use' |
| 20:25.28 | cydork | RvGaTe: yeah i guess. |
| 20:25.48 | Axehat | Hmm... Iceweasel keeps wanting me to download a file called 'pointersandmemory.pdf'... Not sure why, on every site I go to, it comes up once every 30 seconds or so... |
| 20:26.02 | agike | Hi, /var/log/boot tells me "Warning: /etc/resolv.conf is not a symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 20:26.02 | agike | " but 'ln -s /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf' does not seem to work. What am I missing here ? |
| 20:26.26 | BlueParrot | Gnea: I just read the slashdot thread and sat here laughing seeing that I cam across it while trying to figutr out how t use ntp :P |
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| 20:27.47 | dalias | !usb install |
| 20:27.47 | dpkg | usb-install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/, or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 20:28.06 | BlueParrot | Gnea: I mean, it took me about 30 min of googling to figure out how to do it propperly , while simulatenously figuring out what I really shouldn't do ... |
| 20:30.12 | Gnea | BlueParrot: it's fairly impressive that the company relied solely on that one site instead of providing a round-robin list |
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| 20:32.36 | wuming | dondelelcaro: yes! what if I also need files that are not included in that revision? |
| 20:32.39 | wuming | at the same time |
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| 20:36.47 | dondelelcaro | wuming: then you check them out separately |
| 20:37.14 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here has a hint how to use be added in a new group without a relogin? |
| 20:37.53 | dondelelcaro | ctp: you can't; they have to start a new login session. |
| 20:38.28 | dkr | ctp: man newgrp |
| 20:38.40 | ctp | dondelelcaro: hm |
| 20:39.11 | dondelelcaro | dkr: ah; I didn't know about newgrp |
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| 20:41.54 | sparrw | whats a good gui diff tool that can handle remote files (sftp specifically) and can do per-line merging? |
| 20:42.03 | gahan | hi, i ve some troubles with postfix after upgrade postfix/master[9908]: fatal: epoll_create: Function not implemented |
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| 20:46.03 | dkr | sparrw: mount remote with sshfs then diff program sees file as local, :) I use xxdiff |
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| 20:47.21 | rahul | sparrw: emacs |
| 20:47.29 | wols | gahan: what kernel? |
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| 20:50.33 | Vladi | hi, can someone help im having with xfs 8 TerraByte partition and a compilation of 2.6.20 do i need something special inside the kernel for me to be able to mount / see such a partition? |
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| 20:51.13 | CaspeR-Bz | hello :) do you know an php aplication to control my network server ? |
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| 20:51.43 | gahan | wols: uml |
| 20:51.52 | gahan | wols: 2.4.32-3um |
| 20:52.43 | Guerin | CaspeR-Bz: almost any non-trivial php script should get you root, if you try hard enough |
| 20:53.15 | Guerin | Vladi: you don't have an 8 terrabyte partition |
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| 20:53.32 | wols | gahan: this is not debian is it? |
| 20:53.34 | Guerin | Vladi: i know this because that large a storage medium does not exist |
| 20:53.39 | gahan | wols: it is, sid |
| 20:53.50 | wols | gahan: then how old is this sid? |
| 20:53.53 | gahan | wols: 2.4.0-2 is the postfix |
| 20:54.04 | Mynthon | http://www.voinaroz.lv/?auk=2i1i18g2oxz |
| 20:54.07 | gahan | wols: only kernel is not fresh |
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| 20:54.33 | wols | I know what postfix it is. epoll was one of the main improvements of this release |
| 20:54.33 | jelly | Guerin: what? 8 TB is an array priced at 5-6 figures. |
| 20:54.47 | wols | either your kernel or libc are outdated I'd say |
| 20:54.51 | wols | and I guess it's the kernel |
| 20:54.54 | gahan | wols: i see |
| 20:54.54 | Guerin | jelly: but an *array* is not a *partition* |
| 20:54.57 | gahan | it must be kernel |
| 20:55.13 | gahan | i did dist-upgrade minute ago and glibs is updated |
| 20:55.17 | gahan | glibc* |
| 20:55.18 | gahan | ok, thanks |
| 20:55.29 | jelly | Guerin: don't mince words, you can create a single LUN out of it and a single partition on it |
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| 20:55.54 | jelly | Guerin: which will be sized, well, 8TB |
| 20:56.15 | Guerin | jelly: you have to admit - in terms of hardware support, it's quite different. And hardware support is what he's talking about. |
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| 20:56.40 | jelly | Guerin: I don't see anything about hardware. |
| 20:56.57 | Guerin | jelly: kernel support = hardware support |
| 20:57.02 | Guerin | try harder |
| 20:57.05 | jelly | Guerin: no. |
| 20:57.16 | Guerin | ... |
| 20:57.34 | Guerin | jelly: name one other part of debian which directly supports hardware |
| 20:57.54 | jelly | Guerin: filesystem, netfilter options in kernel, for example, have nothing to do with hw |
| 20:58.17 | Guerin | jelly: that's not what I asked |
| 20:58.54 | jelly | Guerin: I don't care about what you asked, but to answer the question from the user above ;-) |
| 20:59.32 | jelly | Vladi: which architecture? |
| 20:59.32 | Guerin | jelly: well, it looks to me like the answer to his problem is `you need to support your hardware interface in-kernel' |
| 20:59.43 | Vladi | jelly: x86_64 |
| 20:59.54 | BlueParrot | hmmm, how large partitions does LVM support ? |
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| 21:00.26 | Ind[y] | Nobody never had problems with Metacity being really slow? |
| 21:00.37 | BlueParrot | oh wair, that wouldn't be a partition anyway , nvm |
| 21:00.43 | jelly | Vladi: there are two options which deal with support for >2TB volumes and >2TB files |
| 21:01.37 | Pobega | Ind[y]: How slow are we talking? |
| 21:01.58 | BlueParrot | The question is of course why anyone would need a 2TB partition ( today, now 2007 , I'm not falling for THAT one no sir ) |
| 21:02.01 | Ind[y] | Pobega: terminal takes 17-18 seconds to launch |
| 21:02.07 | Vladi | jelly: do u know off hand what they are so i can check to make sure i have them compiled in |
| 21:02.10 | jelly | Vladi: in Block layer |
| 21:02.11 | Ind[y] | Home Folder the same |
| 21:02.14 | Ind[y] | xterm the same |
| 21:02.19 | Guerin | ]ba 640k partition should be enough for anyone! |
| 21:02.32 | Pobega | Ind[y]: Have you tried another window manager to see if it's just Metacity? Or have you only tested it under GNOME/Metacity? |
| 21:02.33 | jelly | Vladi: CONFIG_LBD and CONFIG_LSF |
| 21:02.34 | Ind[y] | That started happening since a random boot. |
| 21:03.06 | Ind[y] | Pobega: It was working fine, but since a boot it started being rediculusly slow. |
| 21:03.25 | Pobega | Ind[y]: Like I said though, have you tried it outside of GNOME/Metacity? |
| 21:03.36 | Ind[y] | Pobega: tries what? |
| 21:03.39 | Ind[y] | *tried |
| 21:03.52 | jelly | BlueParrot: yeah, that's a whole other pair of shoes |
| 21:03.54 | Vladi | jelly hmm dont have any options under block layer |
| 21:04.05 | scruffy | anyone have any insight into LogWatch's /etc/conf/ignore.conf syntax? I added this http://rafb.net/p/A8v9eD40.html, yet those entries still appear, http://rafb.net/p/nG1i7f89.html. |
| 21:04.07 | Pobega | Ind[y]: Running xterm or anything like that. Install another window manager and see if that works, so we can figure out where the problem stems from. |
| 21:04.20 | jelly | Vladi: maybe they're enabled by default in x86_64. I'm on i386. |
| 21:04.40 | Vladi | jelly: well when i search for it it says its off |
| 21:04.41 | Ind[y] | Pobega: xterm and terminal and stuff, launched very quickly, but since a random boot, the started to lauch very slow |
| 21:04.57 | Pobega | Ind[y]: I know. You're not being very helpful you know. |
| 21:04.59 | Vladi | well its not even in the config |
| 21:05.02 | jelly | Vladi: yeah, looks like that's the case ... those options are for 32bit arches only. BLOCK && !64BIT |
| 21:05.12 | Pobega | Ind[y]: Log into another window manager and see if that fixes the problem. |
| 21:05.17 | Ind[y] | And also, the window that appears on boot saying what is loaded, disappears after a long time (after the desktop gas appeared) |
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| 21:05.35 | Ind[y] | s/gas/has |
| 21:05.37 | Vladi | jelly: hmm so i dont know what else it could be |
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| 21:05.53 | jelly | Vladi: so it's already there for 64bit. |
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| 21:06.14 | boodie | hi - has anyone set up flash by using 'nspluginwrapper'? |
| 21:06.39 | Pobega | Ind[y]: The only way we're going to diagnose the problem is if you log into another window manager and see if GNOME/Metacity is the problem. |
| 21:07.04 | Ind[y] | Pobega: I don't have another window manager |
| 21:07.07 | iturk | hi there friends its been dificult for me to copy emails from open office spreadshets to nornal text program. Why is ctlr+c ctrl+v is not working ? |
| 21:07.11 | Pobega | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 21:07.20 | Ind[y] | Pobega: :/ |
| 21:07.25 | Ind[y] | never mind. thank you. |
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| 21:07.29 | Pobega | Ind[y]: Just to see if GNOME is the problem. |
| 21:07.46 | jelly | Vladi: btw, what are you going to to with a single large filesystem? |
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| 21:07.52 | Pobega | Wow. He evaded all of my attempts to help him. |
| 21:08.01 | Vladi | jelly: its for file storage |
| 21:08.02 | Trazi | Alguien tiene centericq en sarge? |
| 21:08.06 | Trazi | Sorry |
| 21:08.12 | jelly | Vladi: what kind of files? |
| 21:08.20 | Vladi | jelly: vide files |
| 21:08.24 | jelly | Vladi: do you have an idea how long is a fsck of that partition going to take, if if ever comes to that? :-) |
| 21:08.25 | Vladi | jelly: work for veoh.com |
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| 21:08.27 | Pobega | !spanish |
| 21:08.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:08.53 | Vladi | jelly: its mostly for really old videos that are not getting hit anymore |
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| 21:10.32 | jelly | Vladi: even so, I'd split it to smaller filesystems, especially if you plan on doing file-based backups. |
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| 21:12.05 | BlueParrot | Vladi: having that much storage on one filesystem is asking for trouble when it breaks ... |
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| 21:12.24 | BlueParrot | unless you have a rather fancy RAID or something |
| 21:12.29 | Vladi | jelly, BlueParrot ok i will split it up |
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| 21:12.44 | Vladi | jelly, BlueParrot its raid 50 |
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| 21:13.58 | BlueParrot | Vladi: ah, oh well , carry on then |
| 21:14.15 | Vladi | why does that make a diff |
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| 21:15.36 | BlueParrot | fault tolerance |
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| 21:15.59 | jelly | Vladi: once it breaks, you can have all of it offline, or you can have 1/8 offline if you've split it to 8 parts. Also fsck times tend to be shorter and can be parallelized with multiple LUNs. |
| 21:17.02 | BlueParrot | Luckily I don't have to deal with this every often with my 80 gig of total HD space :P |
| 21:17.23 | jelly | BlueParrot: hopefully you have a backup somewhere :-) |
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| 21:17.58 | BlueParrot | jelly: oh yes, but the actual amount of space I use for personal files is about 700 meg or so |
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| 21:18.05 | BlueParrot | i.e /home |
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| 21:18.44 | BlueParrot | I can't be bothered backing up anything else because quite frankly I would probably just take the oportunity to upgrade the OS |
| 21:19.00 | BlueParrot | but /home is backed up in 3 places , all geographically dsitributed : ) |
| 21:19.17 | BlueParrot | a strategic nuke MIGHT get them all :P |
| 21:19.29 | jelly | BlueParrot: I dont like spending to much time reinstalling the OS and setting everything up from the scratch... my Debian installation has seen 3 machines and 4-5 disks. ;-) |
| 21:19.38 | \amethyst | BlueParrot: etc, or at least some of it, might be worth saving too :) |
| 21:20.31 | Guerin | i'm waiting for my data cap to tick over so I can back my shit up to texas |
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| 21:20.32 | BlueParrot | amee2k: I'm pretty much using a default install plus open office |
| 21:20.32 | BlueParrot | and some other stuff from the main repos |
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| 21:20.43 | BlueParrot | it really isn't worth backing up since it will probably be easier to actually grab it off the debian mirrors |
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| 21:21.18 | ruben | Hi, where is the package msttcorefonts on debian etch?? |
| 21:21.29 | mfrisch | non-free |
| 21:21.31 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.40 | bzed | !tell ruben about non-free |
| 21:21.48 | mfrisch | ruben: add non-free to your sources |
| 21:21.57 | ruben | deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
| 21:21.59 | ruben | like this? |
| 21:22.09 | Pobega | ruben: Yes |
| 21:22.23 | Pobega | ruben: Then run apt-get update; apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 21:22.23 | mfrisch | ruben: yeah and you have the wrong package name. |
| 21:22.24 | \amethyst | ruben: If you're adding non-free, might as well add contrib, too |
| 21:22.39 | ruben | Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another packag |
| 21:22.47 | \amethyst | mfrisch: ? |
| 21:22.55 | Pobega | ruben: msttcorefonts is in contrib, sorry. |
| 21:23.06 | Pobega | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=corefonts&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 21:23.17 | mfrisch | \amethyst: I thunk that didn't look right ;-( |
| 21:23.22 | ruben | ahh, it works now :) |
| 21:23.28 | ruben | what is contrib? |
| 21:23.43 | Pobega | contrib is packages that are free, but rely on non-free packages to work. |
| 21:23.59 | ruben | ahh, thanks, it works now :) |
| 21:24.26 | \amethyst | Since msttcorefonts is just an installer, it's not non-free itself. However, it requires the non-free fonts, so it can't be in main |
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| 21:25.00 | ruben | to use it, I need to add this line on xorg config? |
| 21:25.02 | ruben | FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts" |
| 21:25.07 | ruben | It is correct? |
| 21:25.34 | \amethyst | ruben: If you have defoma set up properly, no |
| 21:25.45 | ruben | defoma? uhmm, new for me :) |
| 21:26.18 | \amethyst | !defoma |
| 21:26.19 | dpkg | defoma is probably Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 21:26.35 | ruben | well, is bad to add that line? |
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| 21:32.19 | rainabba | "The Debian Way" ?? When given a tar-ball do I build as I normally would, or should I be using dpkg (or somthing else) ? |
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| 21:33.56 | Pobega | rainabba: I've never packaged source into a .deb, and from what I've heard it's very time consuming. It really depends what you're installing, if it's something small it's safe to install from source. |
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| 21:34.12 | rainabba | ok, ty |
| 21:34.16 | Pobega | rainabba: But, avoid checkinstall. I've almost messed up my system using it. |
| 21:34.24 | Guerin | nah, checkinstall is ok |
| 21:34.33 | Guerin | you just have to make sure it uses /usr/local |
| 21:34.50 | Pobega | Checkinstall tried deleting some important directories once, and since then I haven't touched it. |
| 21:35.03 | Guerin | checkinstall should never delete anything |
| 21:35.27 | Pobega | luckily they were "root only" directories, and I was running it under sudo. |
| 21:35.27 | Pobega | Well, it tried to overwrite them. |
| 21:35.27 | Guerin | it should just .deb up your program and install it |
| 21:35.28 | Pobega | Not dirs, the files in them. |
| 21:35.28 | Guerin | oh, fuckinhell |
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| 21:35.53 | Pobega | Well yeah, I've used it before safely. |
| 21:35.53 | \amethyst | Pobega: --fstrans |
| 21:35.59 | Guerin | yeah, that would probably be a broken .configure |
| 21:36.14 | Pobega | What's --fstrans do? |
| 21:36.24 | \amethyst | Pobega: it installs into a temporary tree |
| 21:36.51 | \amethyst | Pobega: So the process of building the package won't touch anything important |
| 21:37.12 | Pobega | \amethyst: Ah, I see. That sounds like something I could have used back in the day. |
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| 21:37.37 | rainabba | There a key-shortcut in Gnome to bring up another terminal? |
| 21:37.49 | Pobega | rainabba: You can set it yourself. |
| 21:38.00 | rainabba | Pobega: By default though? |
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| 21:38.26 | Guerin | !htfswk rainabba |
| 21:38.26 | dpkg | rainabba: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 21:38.58 | Pobega | rainabba: I'm not sure. Haven't touched GNOME in a while. Just check the keyboard settings under "Desktop -> Preferences" or "Desktop -> Administration", I forgot which. |
| 21:38.59 | \amethyst | rainabba: You can check in Control Center -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 21:39.00 | rainabba | Guerin: wtf? LIke noone here uses Gnome? |
| 21:39.04 | dkr | what's with the offensive stuff like this and penix? be nicer, dpkg! |
| 21:39.11 | Guerin | rainabba: not that many do, no. |
| 21:39.15 | rainabba | Pobega: ty |
| 21:39.21 | \amethyst | rainabba: Not the default settings :) |
| 21:39.25 | dkr | Guerin: gnome is the default interface for debian |
| 21:39.26 | Guerin | dkr: dpkg is us, and therefore is rude and offensive. |
| 21:39.35 | rainabba | Guerin: "Not that many" != "nobody" so please chill. |
| 21:39.36 | \amethyst | I do my keybindings through sawfish, anyway |
| 21:39.43 | Pobega | dkr: Fuck no, e won't shut the fuck up. |
| 21:39.45 | Guerin | dkr: no. The default interface for #debian is $ |
| 21:39.46 | Pobega | s/e/he |
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| 21:40.03 | bzed | dpkg, be a dkr barbie |
| 21:40.04 | dpkg | Aww, dkr is HARD! Let's go shopping, bzed |
| 21:40.25 | Guerin | rainabba: i'm chiloled, I'mn just saying: obscure gnome questions are probably not going to get much joy here |
| 21:40.25 | Pobega | dkr: Debian doesn't have a default interface, but when you choose to install it with a desktop environment the installer assumes the person is new to Debian and installs GNOME by default, to make all things easier. |
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| 21:40.37 | dkr | Pobega: thank you captain obvious |
| 21:40.47 | bzed | Pobega: I'm still not sure if gnome is the easier way to go, but that could be me :P |
| 21:40.53 | Guerin | dkr: well, you said it. the default interface is /bin/bash |
| 21:40.57 | dkr | wasn't what I wrote easier to type? :0 |
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| 21:41.12 | dkr | obviously I meant default gui interface |
| 21:41.28 | rainabba | Guerin: I don't see that being obscure (considering the need for a console), but all the same, was the comment warrented, justified, useful, or funny (to anyone other than yourself) ? |
| 21:41.29 | dutchfish | what would be the best desktop for development btw in your opinions? |
| 21:41.40 | Guerin | rainabba: sure it was :) |
| 21:41.50 | Guerin | rainabba: anyway, alt+f4 gets you a one-shot prompt |
| 21:41.54 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
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| 21:41.59 | rainabba | Guerin: ty |
| 21:41.59 | xand | is what out? |
| 21:42.05 | dkr | dutchfish: if you are developing gtk apps, then gnome, qt apps, then kde, :) |
| 21:42.06 | Guerin | dutchfish: the one which does all the things you need it to and none you don't |
| 21:42.17 | Mazingaro | is etch out? |
| 21:42.19 | xand | NO |
| 21:42.23 | xand | :( |
| 21:42.25 | dkr | no, still in the closet |
| 21:42.27 | Mazingaro | sigj! |
| 21:42.31 | xand | bless |
| 21:42.32 | Mazingaro | sigh! |
| 21:42.40 | dutchfish | dkr, none of those just server modules and daemons |
| 21:42.58 | Guerin | dutchfish: wht do you need a desktop for that? |
| 21:43.04 | Guerin | why, i mean |
| 21:43.12 | dkr | dutchfish: really no difference, just use whatever you are comfortable with |
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| 21:43.33 | jelly | Guerin: dude, can you keep the gnome bashing to yourself? If you don't know the answer, it's better not to say anything than to provoke the user. |
| 21:43.41 | dutchfish | Guerin, i am used to an IDE like borlands one or eclipse |
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| 21:44.00 | xand | dutchfish: vim all the way |
| 21:44.00 | rainabba | Guerin: Now that was mildly funny (never would have expected *dox keys to function here). But you've blown enough hot air for me. |
| 21:44.01 | dutchfish | Guerin, just was curieus |
| 21:44.04 | Guerin | jelly: asking `how should this non-gnome channel know your obscure gnome question' is not provoking anything |
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| 21:44.21 | xand | gnome++ |
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| 21:44.30 | Guerin | dutchfish: they run in any desktop |
| 21:44.44 | jelly | Guerin: "opening a term" is not that obscure, and "how the fuck should we know" is a bit stronger than you seem to think |
| 21:45.10 | xand | let's all hug |
| 21:45.18 | dutchfish | Guerin, anjuta is overkill for me geany i am trying atm |
| 21:45.19 | Guerin | jelly: since most of gnome's hotkeys are practically undocumented because it might confuse users, I think it's pretty obscure |
| 21:45.23 | Pobega | Mazingaro: Etch is almost out, should be pretty soon. |
| 21:45.33 | wols | dutchfish: a IDE really has nothing to do with a desktop |
| 21:45.37 | Guerin | jelly: and I haven't STARTED bashing gnome yet :) |
| 21:45.45 | frankr | Guerin, KDE user? |
| 21:45.51 | Guerin | frankr: hell no. |
| 21:45.51 | dkr | Guerin: preferences...keyboard shortcuts. wow, so obscure |
| 21:45.53 | jelly | Guerin: this is not the first time I've seen you react like that to a Gnome question. Even if it not topical, an answer like that does not help in any way |
| 21:45.54 | frankr | Good haha |
| 21:45.55 | dutchfish | wols, yes you are right |
| 21:46.09 | frankr | Guerin, what then? |
| 21:46.15 | HostilePenguin | hey jelly |
| 21:46.18 | Guerin | jelly: it's not reserved for gnome questions. |
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| 21:46.28 | wols | dutchfish: and you develop for the edsktop you use yourself (unless you get a paycheck for developing) |
| 21:46.28 | jelly | HostilePenguin: hi |
| 21:46.32 | Guerin | frankr: i've been using evilwm a lot these days. |
| 21:46.32 | Pobega | Guerin: Curious, what do you use? |
| 21:46.34 | wols | so your question is fairly pointless imho |
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| 21:46.46 | xand | Pobega: vista! |
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| 21:47.04 | Pobega | olawd no! |
| 21:47.46 | Guerin | from `man evilwm': BUGS: The author’s idea of friendly may differ to that of many other people. |
| 21:47.46 | frankr | Guerin, talk about minimalistic |
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| 21:48.11 | BlueParrot | evilwm isn't too bad it is just that it relies so much on the keyboard |
| 21:48.18 | Guerin | frankr: yeah, i like things which stay out of my way |
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| 21:48.23 | dutchfish | why vim instead of nano? |
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| 21:48.27 | Guerin | BlueParrot: huh, i never use keyboard shortcuts |
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| 21:48.31 | Guerin | other than alt+tab |
| 21:48.39 | xand | vim is be{st|tter} |
| 21:48.46 | Guerin | dutchfish: because nano isn't a real editor |
| 21:48.54 | Guerin | it's ok for config files and such |
| 21:49.02 | seth1248 | Does anyone have any tips on how I can keep the nvidia driver from taking up too much of my cpu resources? |
| 21:49.11 | Guerin | but by defasult it mangles long lines, has no syntax highlighting, is functionally challenged |
| 21:49.28 | Guerin | i hate vi[m] as much as the next guy, but i'd take it ove rnano any day |
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| 21:49.35 | Pobega | xand: I've never gotten as much done before on M$ as I do now on vim. |
| 21:49.38 | BlueParrot | Guerin: uhm, last tiem I checked you couldn't really move windows without the keyboard ... |
| 21:49.41 | Guerin | seth1248: uninstall it |
| 21:49.54 | xand | Pobega: haha |
| 21:50.01 | Pobega | Guerin: What do you use for text editing then? Again, just curious (Sorry if you said it already) |
| 21:50.09 | rahul | dude, where's stoned? |
| 21:50.13 | HostilePenguin | vi has been around since 1978 |
| 21:50.15 | Guerin | BlueParrot: alt+click, yeah. when is your hand that far from the keyboard anyway? |
| 21:50.16 | Catachan | what exactly does a make error 1 mean? |
| 21:50.20 | Guerin | Pobega: emacs. |
| 21:50.22 | jelly | rahul: you smote him |
| 21:50.33 | Pobega | xand: In graphic design we are forced to type in M$ word, and I vomit when it tries to autocomplete/autoformat my text. |
| 21:50.40 | MmikeDOMA | how do I increase file descriptor limit? ulimit -n gives mi 1024, and I'd like to have more. |
| 21:50.44 | rahul | Catachan: that something it called failed |
| 21:50.46 | rainabba | Ctrl-shift-n can be used by default in Gnome to create a new terminal. |
| 21:50.48 | dutchfish | i still dont get it, how you can debug code decently with vim, apparently i am missing a huge point here ... |
| 21:50.54 | xand | :D |
| 21:51.01 | rahul | bah |
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| 21:51.10 | rainabba | Now everyone has some "obscure" knowledge they can use for trivia |
| 21:51.14 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: become root and increase it |
| 21:51.14 | rahul | the penix strikes, does not smite. |
| 21:51.52 | Guerin | rainabba: hurrah! |
| 21:51.53 | rahul | hmm, reminds me of a song |
| 21:51.53 | Catachan | okay, what about an error 2? |
| 21:51.53 | jelly | rahul: well sorry, you stroke him :-) |
| 21:51.53 | rahul | fucker |
| 21:51.53 | BlueParrot | Guerin: it anoys me still, you have to hit the alt key every time you move a window |
| 21:51.53 | rahul | !penixstrike jelly |
| 21:51.54 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:51.59 | dutchfish | rahul, uncle? |
| 21:52.01 | Pobega | I use Window Maker, and I use keyboard shortcuts for everything. Can't get out of the habit, I hate using my touchpad for anything but web browsing. |
| 21:52.02 | BlueParrot | Guerin: I also imagine it can't be very nice on disabeled people ... |
| 21:52.03 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, dunno which sysctl variable to set up |
| 21:52.09 | Guerin | BlueParrot: yeh, it does require a bit of getting used to |
| 21:52.28 | BlueParrot | I like IceWM |
| 21:52.37 | defcon8 | how do I get high resolution terminal? |
| 21:52.46 | rahul | dutchfish: yes, nephew? |
| 21:52.51 | Guerin | dutchfish: pass vga=791 to your kernel at boot time |
| 21:52.54 | rahul | heh |
| 21:52.55 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:52.59 | Guerin | defcon8: pass vga=791 to your kernel at boot time |
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| 21:53.05 | Catachan | how about this, is there a list included with linux as to what each error means? |
| 21:53.05 | defcon8 | Guerin, cheers |
| 21:53.09 | Guerin | defcon8: presuming 1024x768 |
| 21:53.10 | BlueParrot | essentially what I would like would be evilwm with window decorations and the ability to right-click on the desktop to get an aplication menu |
| 21:53.16 | defcon8 | Guerin, how do I get 1280? |
| 21:53.19 | defcon8 | and which line> |
| 21:53.21 | Guerin | BlueParrot: sounds like openbox |
| 21:53.22 | Mazingaro | Guerin: vga=791 crash my fb and x :) |
| 21:53.25 | dutchfish | rahul, it was a prefix for your statement of 6 letters |
| 21:53.33 | Guerin | Mazingaro: huh, funky. |
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| 21:53.58 | rahul | this black page in history's not colorfast, will stain the next. all that remains is just a feint of what was meant to be |
| 21:54.02 | Guerin | dutchfish: i dunno what the code is, google around. it goes on the end of the line with kernel params |
| 21:54.10 | defcon8 | Guerin, which line should it go on? |
| 21:54.15 | BlueParrot | Guerin: well the problem with most minimalistic desktop environments is that you don't tend to get apps and configuration tools integrated for them |
| 21:54.18 | ManuP | btw, you know, news were updated 800 days ago?! |
| 21:54.19 | ManuP | !news |
| 21:54.27 | Mazingaro | Guerin: I think it's splash=silent :) |
| 21:54.27 | Guerin | BlueParrot: that's a feature, to me. |
| 21:54.28 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: I don't know about sysctl either, but there's the ulimit shell builtin. |
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| 21:54.34 | BlueParrot | Guerin: heh, fair enough |
| 21:54.37 | Guerin | Mazingaro: oh, you're using bootsplash? All bets are off. |
| 21:54.44 | BlueParrot | I like gnome, it is a nice tradeoff to me |
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| 21:55.07 | BlueParrot | it is advanced enough to give you the basic desktop features but streamlined enough not to get in my way |
| 21:55.34 | Guerin | see, i just find it infuriatingly slow and frustratingly dumbed-down |
| 21:55.43 | Catachan | okay, so I have an error message: make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 21:55.50 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: is it a service you're trying to increase max.fd or some logged in user? For users, there's /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:55.53 | Guerin | Catachan: the real error is somewhere above that |
| 21:55.53 | Catachan | can someone help me with what this means? |
| 21:56.00 | Catachan | okay |
| 21:56.05 | Mazingaro | Guerin: I would, but it doesn't work :) |
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| 21:56.27 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, for a user... when I change/add limits.conf, user needs to relogon, I presume? |
| 21:56.35 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: ya |
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| 21:57.12 | BlueParrot | I don't know what gnome is like on lower end machines but for me it runs just fine as my box really is a bit overkill for what I use it for |
| 21:57.28 | BlueParrot | Used to be a gaming box when I started uni ... |
| 21:57.36 | BlueParrot | nowdays I mainly use it for web browsing etc |
| 21:57.41 | Catachan | okay, out of curiosity, has any one here compiled the libjingle stuff from Google? |
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| 21:58.19 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, what is the difference between soft and hard limits, mentioned in limits.conf? |
| 21:58.50 | mfrisch | MmikeDOMA: soft limits cue warnings hard limits a cut off |
| 21:59.02 | MmikeDOMA | mfrisch, thnx |
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| 21:59.17 | dutchfish | MmikeDOMA, soft= not forced but informative, hard = forced limits |
| 21:59.52 | dserban | Thinking out loud here, and hoping someone can enlighten me... but... seeing that serial consoles are pretty useful when running diskless/headless servers, can the kernel say pshaw to the actual serial cable and use an interconnected usb cable? |
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| 22:00.02 | Mazingaro | Guerin: I'm doing apt-get remove --purge bootsplash |
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| 22:00.37 | MmikeDOMA | I still get 1024 when I do ulimit -n as a user (I added this to limits.conf: *<tab>hard<tab>nofile<tab>8192) |
| 22:01.09 | pickcoder | dserban: if your kernel will recognize the usb device at boot-up time you can specify whatever console device you want on the boot params |
| 22:01.34 | pickcoder | UARTs are the easiest to setup since the kernel recognizes them without any extra work |
| 22:01.44 | dutchfish | MmikeDOMA, those values are read at boottime i believe |
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| 22:02.16 | dutchfish | MmikeDOMA, but you should be able to pass them to a running kernel |
| 22:02.29 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: it's set via pam, do you have something like "session required pam_limits.so" in /etc/pam.d/login? |
| 22:02.31 | dutchfish | MmikeDOMA, i believe to the proc system |
| 22:02.35 | dserban | Oh interesting. And by boot time you mean prior to the kernel forking init? Hmm. And has someone/something done such an experiment? |
| 22:02.37 | MmikeDOMA | right! |
| 22:02.48 | pickcoder | dserban: yes, before init |
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| 22:02.57 | pickcoder | dserban: no clue.. but Google may know |
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| 22:03.23 | dserban | I tried, but my search words feel a little too generic... sifting through that is painful ;) |
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| 22:03.37 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: or whatever you use for logging in, of course... I have it in /etc/pam.d/gdm |
| 22:03.45 | pickcoder | dserban: sometimes the rewards are worth the effort.. :) |
| 22:03.55 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, hang on :) |
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| 22:05.55 | pickcoder | dserban: got something specific in mind? |
| 22:05.55 | phanter | I am trying to attach a second monitor to my laptop. Therefore I had to change some stuff in the xorg.conf (but ati delivers a tool to do this). Now in KDE and in XFCE I have an extra big desktop, but only in Gnome this does not work. |
| 22:05.55 | phanter | And I prefer gnome above the other two :s. |
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| 22:05.56 | phanter | Do you have an idea what the problem is and how I can get it to work? |
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| 22:05.58 | dserban | Well I wanted a serial console terminal to access say... 7 machines off of a hub. so you'd probably hit something up like minicom /dev/ttyUSB1 or what have you, and voila a serial console over usb... it'd save me the effort of connecting 3 cables off of the kvm's we have here. |
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| 22:06.00 | MmikeDOMA | jelly: session required pam_limits.so that's what I have there, yes |
| 22:07.00 | pickcoder | dserban: so use a serial switch and plug up a dumb terminal |
| 22:07.22 | pickcoder | both of which are dirt cheap these days |
| 22:07.27 | mfrisch | ok to get xen to work I remember having to add something to /etc/hotplug anyone know what? |
| 22:07.44 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: if you changed only the hard limit, you should be able to change the current value in the shell with ulimit builtin |
| 22:07.57 | pickcoder | you could also use serial-ethernet bridges |
| 22:08.03 | pickcoder | and telnet to the consoles |
| 22:08.37 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, hm, it works |
| 22:08.54 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: ... and that's what the soft and hard values do! :-) |
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| 22:09.44 | MmikeDOMA | i have ControlMaster auto set up in .ssh/conf, so I guess i reused something because of the ssh beeing set up that way, now I logged off completely and loged back in, and its 8192 even for the user :) |
| 22:09.48 | MmikeDOMA | thnx! :) |
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| 22:10.49 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: aj bok, /me goes offline ;-) |
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| 22:12.31 | MmikeDOMA | jeefers, uzivaj! :) |
| 22:12.37 | MmikeDOMA | ups, jelly i ment :) |
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| 22:13.29 | lamer007 | hey guys, should iptables package put start/stop script into /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 22:14.07 | pickcoder | lamer007: iptables is only a tool |
| 22:14.58 | lamer007 | pickcoder, so there is no service script for that on debian ? since other distros have /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 22:15.05 | concept10 | Anyone know of anything in Linux/POSIX that uses octal besides chmod? |
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| 22:15.37 | pickcoder | lamer007: iptables is a tool, even on other distros |
| 22:15.41 | Pobega | lamer007: There is a script for that, iptables save I think it is. I am not 100% sure how to use it, I have a bash script to setup iptables myself (I find that to be the easiest method) |
| 22:15.44 | pickcoder | they may a firewall start/stop script |
| 22:15.44 | frankr | ia32-libs has the same error every time I try to install it |
| 22:15.49 | pickcoder | which is not a daemon |
| 22:15.50 | frankr | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_1.19_amd64.deb (--unpack): unable to create `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 22:16.19 | frankr | I debootstrapped a sid32 in /emul/ia32-linux ; I coudl try removing it however the same error occured when it wasn't htere |
| 22:16.33 | pickcoder | there are plenty of firewall applications that you can start/stop, which use iptables to apply rules |
| 22:17.11 | lamer007 | ok, I just ahd feeling last time when I install iptables package it came with /etc/init.d/iptables and now I cant see it there |
| 22:17.40 | mfrisch | lamer007: maybe on rh |
| 22:17.48 | pickcoder | Pobega: iptables-save |
| 22:17.55 | pickcoder | iptables-restore |
| 22:18.30 | Guerin | Catachan: please don't message me |
| 22:18.41 | Pobega | lamer007: Make a bash script, and put it in /etc/rcS.d/, and have it run right after networking (S40 on my machine) |
| 22:19.10 | lamer007 | ok, thanks |
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| 22:19.45 | Guerin | hah, vista drm broken |
| 22:20.07 | mfrisch | how are they going to play games? |
| 22:20.10 | amphi | Guerin: damn, means fewer will reject it |
| 22:20.25 | Pobega | Guerin: What do you mean? |
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| 22:20.43 | Guerin | amphi: or you can look at it the other way, which is that it now no longer has a competitive advantage in that regard |
| 22:20.53 | Guerin | Pobega: http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/87709 |
| 22:21.02 | Guerin | i don't think it's an april fool joke |
| 22:21.21 | househead | hi all. i have setup a samba mount in fstab with the "user" option so my normal user can mount. my user can now mount, but not umount. what gives? |
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| 22:22.25 | jelly | lamer007: a better place to put the invocation of the script could be in /etc/network/interfaces, in an up (post-up) pragma |
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| 22:22.42 | dkr | househead: what is the error? |
| 22:23.26 | kingsley | I upgraded the kernel to version 2.6.18-4-k7, and several devices files are either missing or have the wrong permissions. Now after typing "cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV -n -v ttyS14", this is reported: "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/". What's the background on udev changes? |
| 22:23.26 | househead | "umount: only root can unmount //192.168.0.5/storage from /media/storage" |
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| 22:23.35 | freeone3000 | househead: You mounted it as root. |
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| 22:23.41 | bzed | kingsley: udev only shows the devices you actually have. |
| 22:23.42 | Guerin | househead: what umount line? |
| 22:23.50 | househead | freeone3000: nah, as my user |
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| 22:23.56 | bzed | kingsley: it does the housekeeping of your /dev directory |
| 22:24.01 | bzed | !tell kingsley about udev |
| 22:24.03 | jelly | kingsley: any customizations of /dev are lost, and udev has a different way of doing eg. non-default permissions :-| |
| 22:24.18 | househead | i think i may need to "chmod +s" something but not sure which binary |
| 22:24.28 | bzed | jelly: which is not bad at all imho |
| 22:24.36 | Guerin | househead: i rather doubt that |
| 22:24.37 | freeone3000 | How do I fix a "W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"? |
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| 22:24.56 | freeone3000 | Is it really as simple as "apt-key add 07DC563D1F41B907"? |
| 22:25.05 | bzed | househead: /usr/bin/smbmnt and /usr/bin/smbumount |
| 22:25.06 | frankr | freeone3000, get debian-multimedia's gpg key |
| 22:25.09 | Pobega | freeone3000: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 22:25.14 | jelly | bzed: it is bad because it broke my tuned chmods |
| 22:25.14 | househead | Guerin : mount line "mount /media/storage" umount "umount /media/storage" |
| 22:25.24 | jelly | bzed: no upgrade path |
| 22:25.31 | Guerin | househead: looks liek it should work to me |
| 22:25.35 | bzed | jelly: but now it's way more easy to maintain them |
| 22:25.39 | househead | bzed: chmod +s both of those? |
| 22:25.54 | Guerin | househead: try calling smbumount directly? |
| 22:25.56 | jelly | bzed: not really |
| 22:26.01 | bzed | househead: yes |
| 22:26.05 | Guerin | chmod +s is a last resort |
| 22:26.11 | bzed | jelly: imho it is. i'm really happy with udev |
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| 22:26.25 | freeone3000 | Aha. Thanks. |
| 22:26.26 | jelly | bzed: I prefer chgrp and chmod once to editing an obscure file somewhere. ;-) |
| 22:26.30 | bzed | Guerin: you can savely chmod +s smbmnt and smbumount |
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| 22:26.43 | househead | Guerin : smbumount seems to work ok |
| 22:26.51 | bzed | Guerin: don't chmod +s smbmount, though |
| 22:26.54 | Guerin | bzed: but if it's not necessary ... |
| 22:27.07 | Guerin | househead: there's your answer |
| 22:27.09 | bzed | it was |
| 22:27.16 | househead | smbumount im happy with but if a user can mount a drive surely they can unmount it using mount/umount |
| 22:27.18 | bzed | not sure if it still is, though |
| 22:27.28 | bzed | househead: try it |
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| 22:27.30 | Guerin | househead: mount just calls smbmount |
| 22:27.40 | Guerin | you're supposed to actually use smbmount |
| 22:27.43 | pikudo | linux |
| 22:28.53 | househead | even after chmod +s on smbmnt and smbumount, same error |
| 22:29.04 | househead | i'll stick with smbumount for now |
| 22:29.06 | Guerin | yeh, the break in visat drm will probably just result in hardware DRM |
| 22:29.15 | bzed | Guerin, househead: sure, mount calls mount.smb which is probably a link to smbmount. but smbmount call smbmnt, which is actually the program which needs the +s bit set if you want to allow normal users to mount devices. smbumount needs +s to kill the process which is running with root rihts and called smbmnt. I may be wrong, but I doubt it |
| 22:29.42 | Guerin | bzed: hm, ok. I haven't used samba since some time in 2003 :) |
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| 22:30.10 | househead | bzed : even with +s on smbmnt and smbumount, normal user cannot unmount using mount/fstab |
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| 22:30.28 | bzed | househead: the user must own the directory |
| 22:30.46 | bzed | househead: the directory it is mounted to |
| 22:31.00 | bzed | otherwise it won't work as smbmnt checks for that |
| 22:31.13 | househead | bzed: they do own the directory and have relevant perms |
| 22:31.15 | bzed | (if it was called by a user != root) |
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| 22:31.45 | bzed | househead: did you provide a file with the credentials? |
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| 22:32.14 | bzed | househead: although it could be that it just asks. not sure how it is when using mount and fstab |
| 22:32.16 | househead | bzed: no, smbpasswd is in fstab (just while testing) |
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| 22:32.39 | househead | thanks for help all anyroad |
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| 22:32.52 | bzed | househead: ah ok. can you mount it as root? |
| 22:33.11 | househead | bzed: yea, can mount as normal user too, just cant unmount as normal user |
| 22:33.40 | bzed | househead: you need to use smbumount instead of umount |
| 22:34.55 | househead | bzed : ok, thanks, will do |
| 22:35.09 | bzed | househead: does it work? |
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| 22:42.00 | househead | bzed: yea, sorry, reported smbumount working earlier |
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| 22:42.36 | bzed | ah ok househead :) |
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| 22:47.38 | anapivirtua | Night all |
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| 22:49.38 | kingsley | At the moment, I really don't like the recent udev changes to the kernel. |
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| 22:51.06 | mfrisch | kingsley: me either...but it was like this when devfs and all came through |
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| 22:56.09 | abrotman | adds to what? .. there's no more hotplug |
| 22:56.38 | dondelelcaro | while udev may not be optimal in all cases, the alternatives are worse. |
| 22:57.39 | dondelelcaro | normal users souldn't even notice that udev is there and working |
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| 22:58.51 | mfrisch | who me? I swear I added something to hotplug...Error: Device 769 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. |
| 22:59.02 | kingsley | I've only seen downsides to udev. It changes the permissions on /dev/sg1, and now /dev/ttyS14 no longer exists. |
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| 22:59.52 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: see file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html; /dev/ttyS14 won't exist unless you have 15 serial ports. |
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| 23:00.49 | kingsley | It seems to me that anyone who depends on device files remaining with their permissions, will be disappointed by udev. |
| 23:01.22 | dondelelcaro | you're changing the permissions on a filesystem which is only memory backed. If you expect them to stick around, you're going to be disappointed. |
| 23:02.11 | dserban | Hating udev based on ignorance due to a lack of RTFM'ing is not an excuse. |
| 23:02.40 | dserban | Uhh, nevermind heh. |
| 23:03.10 | dserban | =D two conversations, 4 topics gets a /me confused |
| 23:04.44 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 23:04.45 | Mazingaro | is there a way to remove udev without removing it's dependencies? |
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| 23:06.33 | Guerin | Mazingaro: its dependencies, or things which depend on it? |
| 23:08.06 | Mazingaro | Guerin: found it: dpkg --purge --force-all udev |
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| 23:08.24 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:08.24 | jhasse | Does someone know where i can find these example files? http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html#see-also |
| 23:08.44 | Guerin | Mazingaro: that will break stuff horribly |
| 23:08.56 | Guerin | Mazingaro: dependencies are there for a reason |
| 23:09.40 | mfrisch | udev is bad get rid of it and everything it provides silly people |
| 23:09.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:09.54 | jetscreamer | you want to install yaird before you rip udev's guts out |
| 23:09.57 | Guerin | udev largely gives me no grief these days |
| 23:10.00 | Guerin | unlike 2005 |
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| 23:12.00 | jetscreamer | seems like gnome* and kde* depend on udev in one way or another though |
| 23:12.26 | jetscreamer | anyway, yaird doesn't depend on udev, (initramfs-tools?) does |
| 23:12.34 | Mazingaro | Guerin: problem was that old udev mixed with new udev config files... I got a lot of errors during boot |
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| 23:13.08 | Guerin | Mazingaro: for s&g, run aptitude -f install; |
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| 23:14.11 | jetscreamer | can anybody explain why after a reboot or two with a clean install, having allow-hotplug eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces borks out teh intarweb, but changing it to auto eth0 (old school) fixes it right up? |
| 23:14.45 | jetscreamer | 'every' install (at least for me) |
| 23:15.07 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: did that for me too..still don't know why? |
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| 23:15.38 | Mazingaro | Guerin: ok, I got a problem with tsc too on that machine (loosing thicks) |
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| 23:16.31 | jetscreamer | gdit why can't i apt-get install radiator !!! (for my truck) |
| 23:16.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove went well |
| 23:16.47 | abrotman | Mazingaro: losing ticks ? |
| 23:17.01 | Mazingaro | abrotman: yes losing ticks :) |
| 23:17.03 | jetscreamer | apt-get pay somebody |
| 23:17.10 | elefth | at install time xorg.conf picks up my monitor/card details and everything fine. When I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg monitor detection does not pick up my monitor. Any ideas? I need to produce a detailed xorg.conf cause my monitor locks when X tries to drive it at 75Hz (it can only do 60Hz at 16890x1050) |
| 23:17.27 | jimmybgood | jetscreamer: sorry, I apt-get purged on it |
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| 23:17.40 | The_Ball | jetscreamer, you want apt-pay, that's in etch |
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| 23:18.11 | dalias | anyone have experience installing on a system with no disks except (laptop) hdd ? |
| 23:18.31 | RichiH | dalias: usb stick, netboot, usb cdrom |
| 23:18.38 | dalias | i'm trying to install debian on a dell latitude 400 |
| 23:18.49 | jetscreamer | elefth: you 'might' try apt-get install read-edid hwinfo ... know thy VertRefresh & HorizSync |
| 23:18.53 | dalias | it doesn't seem to support usb boot |
| 23:19.03 | dalias | so i tried pxe net boot |
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| 23:19.10 | abrotman | dalias: what OS is on it now? |
| 23:19.15 | dalias | it loads the pxelinux.0 image then just sits there |
| 23:19.21 | jetscreamer | what is that windows thing to install debian |
| 23:19.24 | dalias | abrotman, absolutely no os at all. it's a blank hdd |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:19.36 | abrotman | why doesn't it have a CD drive?! |
| 23:19.43 | amphi | jetscreamer: goodbye-microsoft.com IIRC |
| 23:19.43 | dalias | it's too small for a cd drive |
| 23:19.47 | dalias | this thing is TINY :) |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | uATX ? |
| 23:20.00 | elefth | jetscreamer, they are both installed... |
| 23:20.03 | dalias | it's a laptop |
| 23:20.03 | abrotman | erm .. mini-itx ? |
| 23:20.09 | mfrisch | dalias: I seen those there weird. |
| 23:20.23 | dalias | about 8.5x10.5x0.8 in |
| 23:20.23 | jetscreamer | heh cool yeah that's it amphi ... debian.exe even |
| 23:20.27 | freeone3000 | If it's too small for a CD drive, it's too small for a monitor. |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | dalias: floppy ? |
| 23:20.45 | mfrisch | the keyboards extra |
| 23:20.56 | dalias | *sigh* quit giving me a hard time.. does anyone have ideas |
| 23:20.57 | jetscreamer | elefth: what does hwinfo --monitor tell you, and how does it compare to the values listed in xorg.conf |
| 23:20.58 | dalias | abrotman, nope |
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| 23:21.11 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:21.11 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:21.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:21.17 | dalias | i was hoping someone might have experience with pxelinux boot loader |
| 23:21.21 | mfrisch | dalias: ours had external drives |
| 23:21.22 | jetscreamer | dalias: install on another computer, move the hd |
| 23:21.23 | dalias | and be able to help me diagnose why it's not working |
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| 23:21.27 | abrotman | dalias: it's not easy .. but it can be done |
| 23:21.53 | brunors | hi guys, I need some help, the scene: a stable debian completely updated with a compiled 2.6.18 kernel with openswan patch. the problem: some apps aren't terminating normaly (i.e I have over 50 smbd process running). the question: could the kernel causing the problem? |
| 23:21.54 | dalias | jetscreamer, actually i tried putting just the boot files and lilo on the hdd... but the bios doesn't seem to agree on the geometry so it prints "L 07 07 07 07 ..." |
| 23:22.28 | jetscreamer | dalias: i mean do the entire install with the hd in another computer, then when done move it back. |
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| 23:22.49 | dalias | jetscreamer, well that would have the same problem |
| 23:22.54 | jetscreamer | shouldn't |
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| 23:23.31 | dalias | as long as the machine i install lilo with and the laptop don't agree on the geometry, it will |
| 23:23.38 | dalias | i mean |
| 23:23.55 | jetscreamer | one was probably set to lba the other not |
| 23:23.57 | jetscreamer | in bios |
| 23:24.00 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
| 23:24.02 | brunors | I have another server running the same base system, but with kernel 2.6.8 from debian, and I haven't see this problem |
| 23:24.04 | dalias | whether i run lilo on a blank hdd with just the kernel and initrd image, or a full install.. it's going to have the "L 07 07 .." problem either way |
| 23:24.08 | dalias | jetscreamer, yeah |
| 23:24.20 | Kenny` | someone can help me? How do i compile the new gnome 2.18? |
| 23:24.37 | dalias | lilo was installed configured for lba |
| 23:24.38 | brunors | someone have an idea? |
| 23:24.42 | freeone3000 | Kenny`: "Compile"? You could just get the package from sid. |
| 23:24.43 | jetscreamer | /server irc.gimp.org && /join #gnome iirc |
| 23:24.48 | jetscreamer | not .18 |
| 23:24.52 | dalias | just for fun, i tried putting a different hdd in the laptop, one that already had an OS installed non-LBA |
| 23:24.57 | dalias | and i got "LIL-" |
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| 23:25.01 | freeone3000 | Okay. wait 24 hours, and then get the package from sid. :P |
| 23:25.20 | dalias | so i'm not sure what it would like |
| 23:25.36 | dalias | and like most laptop bioses, this one sucks and doesn't let me enter any hdd settings, it's all auto-detect |
| 23:25.37 | Kenny` | freeone3000: hehe |
| 23:25.49 | Guerin | in reality |
| 23:25.58 | Guerin | there's no reason to not use auto-detect nowadays |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | dalias: there's a method where you can put the install files on the HDD |
| 23:26.18 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
| 23:26.24 | Kenny` | freeone3000: but you ever use the garnome? I'm trying to build the gnome with this program and i can't |
| 23:26.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:26.25 | mfrisch | abrotman: hows he going to get them there? |
| 23:26.30 | Daveman | Just finished my 15mi bike ride |
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| 23:26.33 | abrotman | mfrisch: IDE adapter? FIIK |
| 23:26.37 | freeone3000 | Kenny`: No, I use KDE. |
| 23:26.44 | Kenny` | hunf =/ |
| 23:26.47 | Daveman | abrotman, how did you enjoy your afternoon? |
| 23:26.50 | Daveman | eek! |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm still sick |
| 23:26.59 | Daveman | :( |
| 23:26.59 | mfrisch | abrotman: aah..good idea |
| 23:26.59 | brunors | hi guys, I need some help, the scene: a stable debian completely updated with a compiled 2.6.18 kernel with openswan patch. the problem: some apps aren't terminating normaly (i.e I have over 50 smbd process running). the question: could the kernel causing the problem? |
| 23:26.59 | jetscreamer | you too abrotman ? |
| 23:27.01 | Daveman | ah right, sorrry, forgot |
| 23:27.09 | Daveman | what's with all the illness |
| 23:27.14 | Daveman | you afraid of springtime, or something? ;) |
| 23:27.20 | elefth | jetscreamer, this is the output of hwinfo --monitor http://www.pastebin.ca/423192 |
| 23:27.30 | elefth | jeefers, my xorg.conf has nothing of that |
| 23:27.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: a bit .. yeah .. |
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| 23:28.12 | jetscreamer | elefth: you want your xorg.conf to reflect Vert. Sync Range: 56-75 Hz Hor. Sync Range: 30-83 kHz |
| 23:28.29 | elefth | jetscreamer, I originally had that in actually |
| 23:28.36 | elefth | I took it out to see if it helped |
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| 23:29.19 | Kenny` | what do i put at source.list to use the repository sid? [sorry my bad english] |
| 23:29.20 | elefth | how can I get Debian to to probe with hwinfo and put these in xorg.conf. At install time you get something like that |
| 23:29.32 | jetscreamer | elefth: http://www.pastebin.ca/423196 at the bgottom |
| 23:29.39 | jetscreamer | bottom |
| 23:29.58 | elefth | jeefers, yes I had that in |
| 23:30.06 | elefth | jetscreamer, yes I had that in :-) |
| 23:30.12 | jetscreamer | elefth: i think you do dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg to get it to ask you that... or choose advanced instead of medium |
| 23:30.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:30.17 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 23:30.20 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:30.26 | jetscreamer | there is a thing.. one sec |
| 23:30.32 | elefth | jetscreamer, in advanced it just asks you to fill in the values |
| 23:30.36 | jetscreamer | right |
| 23:30.52 | jetscreamer | you can also remove all the modes and have xorg autodetect it |
| 23:31.05 | elefth | jetscreamer, I tried that too |
| 23:31.23 | elefth | jetscreamer, oh the modes? I just removed the frequencies |
| 23:31.29 | elefth | hm |
| 23:32.54 | elefth | jetscreamer, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg doesn't detect the monitor |
| 23:33.29 | elefth | jetscreamer, I tried earlier an amd64 install on the machine and the xorg.conf in there has detailed info about the monitor. How did that get detected... |
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| 23:33.52 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.41 | elefth | oops, what's that? :-) |
| 23:34.53 | Kenny` | what do i put in source.list to use the repository sid? [sorry my bad english] |
| 23:35.11 | freeone3000 | elefth: Magic. The magic of modern computers. |
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| 23:35.47 | Guerin | Kenny`: you don't |
| 23:35.48 | elefth | jetscreamer, where do I put this option? |
| 23:35.58 | Guerin | Kenny`: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:36.05 | Kenny` | ok |
| 23:36.38 | jetscreamer | elefth: i'm not up on it. 1280x1024_60 should set a refresh of 60, not sure if you need to do it in a metamode or can you do it just on the modes line... i think modes line |
| 23:36.48 | jetscreamer | the _60 being the key |
| 23:36.48 | dalias | su - |
| 23:36.49 | infernix | what would be an easy tool or method to submit files to a webservers upload forum (perl script) and parse the results? |
| 23:36.50 | sussudio | %kill Kenny` |
| 23:37.05 | infernix | preferably from commandline |
| 23:37.06 | jetscreamer | but i'm not positive exactly what or where to put it |
| 23:37.10 | Piggy | badgers: you bastard. |
| 23:37.10 | badgers | Piggy: wish i knew |
| 23:37.11 | elefth | hm |
| 23:37.28 | jetscreamer | !find gravity |
| 23:37.30 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 23:37.44 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 23:37.50 | jetscreamer | sorry dude |
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| 23:37.59 | sussudio | %bear jetscreamer |
| 23:38.01 | elefth | jetscreamer, thank you :-) |
| 23:38.23 | jetscreamer | elefth: i don't suppose it's nvidia is it |
| 23:38.24 | jimmybgood | speaking of sid sources. what does it mean that /etc/debian_version now says lenny/sid? |
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| 23:38.30 | jetscreamer | if it is just use nvidia-settings |
| 23:38.47 | jetscreamer | and have it write to xorg.conf for you |
| 23:38.47 | elefth | jetscreamer, no, it is GMA 3000 on an Intel 965Q chipset |
| 23:38.50 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 23:39.15 | elefth | it has open source drivers but I have been trying almost 15 days to get this to work |
| 23:39.41 | jetscreamer | i think you just tack _60 to the mode you want to have a refresh of 60 though |
| 23:41.03 | elefth | I#ll try |
| 23:41.24 | jetscreamer | 691 ppl and nobody knows this better than me? zomg |
| 23:41.30 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 23:42.22 | jetscreamer | jimmybgood: it means 'soon...soon.' |
| 23:42.43 | wad | I'm using etch. I want to set up my postfix to require people to supply a username and password, and then use TLS to send email. In /etc/postfix there is an empty "sasl" directory. Am I supposed to put something here? |
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| 23:43.28 | dalias | ok i got it to work |
| 23:43.43 | dalias | i just had something dumb wrong in the pxe bios settings |
| 23:43.50 | dalias | now pxe netboot works fine :) |
| 23:44.01 | mfrisch | cool |
| 23:44.04 | sword | wad: you're trying to just get AUTH with TLS? |
| 23:44.38 | wad | and encyption |
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| 23:46.03 | sword | wad: /usr/share/doc/postfix/* ? |
| 23:46.09 | wad | Ah |
| 23:46.15 | wad | I should look in there, huh. :) |
| 23:46.23 | wad | Oops, I gotta go. Later, guys! |
| 23:47.49 | cafuego_ | nemo: ping |
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| 23:49.52 | factotum | hey all, in etch is there a desktop meta package in the apt repos? I skipped it in the install and went with the minimal installation. |
| 23:49.57 | elefth | jetscreamer, ok, restricting vert refresh to 56-60 worked! |
| 23:50.03 | elefth | thank you :-) |
| 23:50.22 | jetscreamer | ah cool |
| 23:52.37 | factotum | cancel that har har |
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| 23:58.28 | Vladi | hi, i would like to have "echo 120 > /sys/block/sdb/device/timeout" set permen after a reboot is the proper place for the sysctl.conf or where? |
| 23:59.33 | jimmybgood | Vladi: /etc/rc.local |
