| 00:01.09 | karsten | Has anyone here successfully formatted > 2 TB as a single filesystem, and if so, using what partitioning tool? |
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| 00:02.09 | wintix | !tell karsten about anyone |
| 00:02.30 | mina_linux_Tux | hey i installed the foo2zjs...deb package but from the command line may i know how i can use it to make an HP printer works |
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| 00:03.05 | abrotman | karsten: xfs ? |
| 00:03.18 | karsten | abrotman: The problem is specifically *formatting* the FS. |
| 00:03.35 | abrotman | use it raw! |
| 00:04.01 | mina_linux_Tux | any comment ? |
| 00:04.42 | tuv | mina_linux_Tux, check out /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/ |
| 00:04.55 | evilgeek | mina_linux_Tux: if you just want your printer to work, install ghostscript and just use that. |
| 00:05.44 | mina_linux_Tux | tuv: i just installed this driver , but don't know how to get all the Xstuff from the command line , or i don't need that ? |
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| 00:06.04 | tuv | mina_linux_Tux, i know nothing about this tool |
| 00:06.15 | mina_linux_Tux | evilgeek: how to even test this driver |
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| 00:06.43 | libervisco | Hello |
| 00:06.47 | abrotman | put paper in the tray .. |
| 00:06.59 | tuv | mina_linux_Tux, you can always start by reading the docs in the path i gave. you can also check the binaries included in the package by: 'dpkg -L <package-name> | grep bin' |
| 00:07.00 | mina_linux_Tux | evilgeek: i'm at the command line , how can i use the ghostscript ? |
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| 00:08.03 | evilgeek | gs |
| 00:08.15 | libervisco | I'm using Debian Etch on my VPS and I have installed ejabberd jabber server via apt-get, changed the configuration to my current hostname, the server is running, but it doesn't appear to work |
| 00:08.25 | libervisco | I tried registering using psi jabber client with no luck |
| 00:08.35 | libervisco | are there any known issues? |
| 00:08.42 | itchi | libervisco: Firewall?? |
| 00:08.59 | mina_linux_Tux | evilgeek: gs ? |
| 00:09.20 | libervisco | itchi, well I can access the web admin port so it doesn't appear to be blocked.. |
| 00:09.43 | mina_linux_Tux | evilgeek: is it the text mode of ghostscript |
| 00:09.48 | evilgeek | yes. |
| 00:10.15 | mina_linux_Tux | evilgeek: what else i have to get beside ghost script ? |
| 00:10.32 | mina_linux_Tux | evilgeek: already i have the driver as i said before |
| 00:10.36 | evilgeek | tell it to print to a printer (gs --help) and then say something like /Helvetica findfont 24 scalefont setfont 222 222 moveto (hello world) display showpage quit |
| 00:10.54 | itchi | libervisco: Maybe is the admin port another port than the client?? |
| 00:11.02 | libervisco | yeah |
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| 00:12.18 | evilgeek | (your printer should greet you with a page saying "hello world" in 24-point helvetica starting somewhere near the bottom left of the page.) |
| 00:12.32 | evilgeek | (if it doesn't, your printer is probably hosed.) |
| 00:13.08 | rpc | is it possible that sata drive has a wrong geometry set/recognised by kernel? |
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| 00:13.13 | libervisco | but I don't think I have a firewall running.. |
| 00:13.34 | wintix | libervisco: read the docs. maybe you restricted registration. |
| 00:13.45 | libervisco | nope |
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| 00:13.53 | libervisco | mod_register is enabled in ejabberd |
| 00:13.58 | libervisco | by default even |
| 00:14.19 | wintix | well. since you can reach the webadmin port maybe you have set something wrong in the config, libervisco. |
| 00:15.09 | libervisco | well all I have changed is hostnames, but I have two domains on one host so this may be an issue.. |
| 00:15.26 | libervisco | {acl, admin, {user, "username", "domain1.net"}}. |
| 00:15.40 | libervisco | {hosts, ["domain1.net"]}. |
| 00:15.53 | libervisco | I've asigned domain1.net to localhost |
| 00:16.07 | libervisco | so basically when I put hostname to be domain1.net it is pointing to hostname |
| 00:17.00 | libervisco | when I set the user to be @domain1.net it should point to hostname when you try to access it as username@domain1.net I suppose |
| 00:17.00 | libervisco | but this is where I'm unsure |
| 00:17.00 | libervisco | and something's apparently missing.. |
| 00:17.20 | libervisco | how do I use one domain name for jabber server on a host which has two domain names? |
| 00:17.48 | libervisco | of which that one is used for web as well (lighttpd) |
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| 00:21.13 | Syntax | libervisco, do the two domains have the same IP? |
| 00:21.21 | libervisco | yes |
| 00:21.50 | Syntax | then what would it matter? |
| 00:21.50 | Syntax | it all resolves back to the IP anyways |
| 00:22.25 | libervisco | so one could try to connect via either username@domain1.com or username@domain2.com? |
| 00:22.32 | libervisco | and connect to the same account? |
| 00:22.43 | Syntax | tell your clients to connect to, say, mydomain.org which resolves to 1.2.3.4 or to hisdomain.org which would end up resolving to the same IP |
| 00:23.14 | Reiser_x | i am trying to run this command ---_> #fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 00:23.18 | libervisco | hm yeah.. |
| 00:23.25 | libervisco | so I guess the problem is not there.. |
| 00:23.27 | Reiser_x | but it says "command not found" |
| 00:23.50 | Syntax | if authentication is based on domain name, then it could matter, but the jabber server should have some method to bind to a certain domain within its config file |
| 00:24.10 | wintix | Reiser_x: well install fakeroot. |
| 00:24.13 | odla | Reiser_x: do you have fakefoot and kernel-package installed? |
| 00:24.31 | Reiser_x | yeah |
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| 00:25.11 | libervisco | Syntax, that's what I'm thinking too.. |
| 00:25.26 | Syntax | check your log file for the jabber server and try to connect |
| 00:25.27 | libervisco | a sec |
| 00:25.42 | Syntax | if the log file doesn't give you enough info, restart it in debug mode or with verbose logging |
| 00:27.13 | itchi | Reiser_x: Did you paste the command with the first #? |
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| 00:30.20 | karsten | abrotman: Excellent idea. |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:30.27 | karsten | abrotman: WRT using raw device. |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | karsten: i was joking .. please don't hit me |
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| 00:34.26 | karsten | abrotman: No, it's a good idea. |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | okay .. joke's over .. you can hit me now :) |
| 00:34.35 | karsten | abrotman: We don't actually need partitions on it, we just need to be able to create a filesystem. So why not use the device raw. |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | at which part |
| 00:34.58 | gravity | fondling |
| 00:34.58 | mfrisch | ehw get a room |
| 00:35.03 | karsten | gravity: Speak of the devil.... |
| 00:35.09 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 00:35.12 | karsten | gravity: We were just talking about you here. |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | he's been in here for a bit |
| 00:35.27 | karsten | gravity: Did xorg and xfree86 merge projects or not? (/me thinks not). |
| 00:35.33 | karsten | abrotman: In meatspace. |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | didn't xfree have a release not too long ago ? |
| 00:35.45 | gravity | karsten: Nope |
| 00:35.59 | karsten | abrotman: yeah, according to their project page. |
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| 00:36.06 | abrotman | so why would they merge ? |
| 00:37.00 | karsten | abrotman: Random office chatter. |
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| 00:37.23 | Mark_Iron | HI - what is th syntax for: mknod /dev/fb0 (frame buffer) ? _ thank you in advance |
| 00:37.25 | juice` | any idea why my mod_fastcgi is still logging [notice] messages to apache error.log eben though i have LogLevel set on 'alert' ? alert is one before 'emerg' which is most critical level logging |
| 00:37.35 | juice` | fastcgi shouldnt send notices to error.log then i think |
| 00:37.51 | juice` | but it does. i restarted apache2 after all changes of course, many times. |
| 00:38.10 | karsten | Mark_Iron: man mknod. It's mknod <char|block> <major> <minor> <device> |
| 00:38.56 | Mark_Iron | hi karsten .. thanks ... however . what should be for a frame buffer ? |
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| 00:39.20 | abrotman__ | wtf |
| 00:39.39 | karsten | Mark_Iron: 'MAKEDEV' should know. There's also a linux kernel assigned numbers authority. Or just use udev (and pray). |
| 00:39.57 | zenwryly | I've done two migrations of the same debian installation from one laptop to a new laptop, and each time I do it, my network device number increase. Now my ethernet is eth5 and my wifi is eth4, and I only have 3 devices (including firewire). How can I reset the device number count? |
| 00:40.08 | karsten | Mark_Iron: c 29 0 /dev/fb0 |
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| 00:40.22 | Mark_Iron | karsten: well .. but how to configure udev? ... it is etch |
| 00:40.39 | Mark_Iron | great karsten ;-) |
| 00:40.42 | karsten | Mark_Iron: Load the fb module. Should happen automagickally. Except for ... |
| 00:40.54 | karsten | Mark_Iron: ... the praying part, which is still manual. |
| 00:40.59 | mfrisch | karsten: mine doesn't |
| 00:41.30 | Mark_Iron | well karsten .. it is a new etch64 installation ... I don't understand why such things like /dev/fb0 are not ready |
| 00:41.34 | DocPlatypus | karsten: the day computers can pray, I really start to worry |
| 00:41.41 | karsten | zenwryly: You can deal with that either via udev configs or ethtool. |
| 00:41.51 | karsten | !pray |
| 00:41.51 | dpkg | May the penguin be with you... |
| 00:42.00 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Worry. |
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| 00:42.05 | DocPlatypus | :-) |
| 00:42.18 | mfrisch | abrotman there out to get you |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman-sucks | they're ? |
| 00:42.43 | mfrisch | abrotman is it you man! |
| 00:42.59 | zenwryly | karsten: thanks! |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | it's okay .. the power switch on the power strip doesn't do anything .. tard |
| 00:44.11 | predder | This is weird, I do a dist-upgrade and I'm told that space will be freed after downloading 200MB of updates?? --> |
| 00:44.14 | predder | 78 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 206MB of archives. After unpacking 1430kB disk space will be freed. |
| 00:44.43 | DocPlatypus | predder: when upgrading software, sometimes the newer packages are smaller. |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | 1.4MB .. woohoo! |
| 00:45.04 | karsten | predder: Buy a floppy! |
| 00:45.06 | DocPlatypus | 4096 bytes here, 16k there, 24k there... sooner or later it adds up to real space |
| 00:45.52 | zinx | predder: you're downloading 206MB worth of new packages. those new packages end up, totalled up, 1.4MB smaller than the old ones. |
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| 00:46.12 | predder | I figured that, however I'm amazed that with 78 total updates I'm still going to get free space rather than lose it.. 99% of the time it's the other way around |
| 00:46.24 | FuzzyB | How do I find out what package provides me with mkinitrd in etch? |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | !search |
| 00:46.31 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 00:46.37 | predder | no problem, just thought i'd share my amazement :) |
| 00:46.48 | DocPlatypus | predder: indeed. this isn't Windows, it doesn't always get bigger |
| 00:46.48 | FuzzyB | so apt-file |
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| 00:49.40 | Ronin | me? |
| 00:51.02 | Ronin | if so, i doubt it as ive figured out what the problem is, now to figure out how to solve it of course |
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| 00:51.17 | abrotman-0 | Ronin: me :) |
| 00:51.20 | predder | I think he's talking about people not knowing what to use to generate initrd's since mkinitrd isn't useful in etch |
| 00:51.34 | predder | oh, nm :P |
| 00:51.49 | Ronin | split personality disorder abrotman-0 ? |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman-0 | gonna happen again |
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| 00:52.11 | juice` | any idea why my mod_fastcgi is still logging [notice] messages to apache error.log eben though i have LogLevel set on 'alert' ? alert is one before 'emerg' which is most critical level logging, fastcgi shouldnt send notices to error.log then i think |
| 00:52.33 | hon | opera keeps segfaulting on me (unstable, after today's upgrade) |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman-0 | hon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=417816 |
| 00:53.12 | predder | dpkg -l opera |
| 00:53.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching opera |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman-0 | opera* :) |
| 00:54.08 | mfrisch | olso's great software giant ;-) |
| 00:54.21 | hon | abrotman-0: how can I downgrade a package? |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman-0 | !sdn |
| 00:54.29 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman-0 | man dpkg |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman-0 | hon: there's also an irc server for opera |
| 00:55.01 | jahshua | hon: its happening to me too. :/ |
| 00:55.11 | Mark_Iron | hi mfrisch ;-) ... how can I configure udev under etch to get /dev/fb0 and xen working ? |
| 00:55.50 | hon | yes, but since that happened after I upgraded a package in debian, I felt it will be more relevant to talk here first |
| 00:55.51 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: does fb work? |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman-0 | hon: the pckage might need to be rebuilt |
| 00:56.23 | hon | you mean opera or libx11-6 ? |
| 00:56.25 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: after frisch installation of etch I don't have the /dev/fb0 device at all |
| 00:57.02 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: are you feeding vga values to grub? |
| 00:57.44 | Mark_Iron | you mean in menu.lst? mfrisch |
| 00:57.50 | mfrisch | yup |
| 00:58.00 | hon | do I need to add snapshot to my apt/sources.list and e.g. apt-get install libx11-6=<version> ? |
| 00:58.04 | dalias | hey |
| 00:58.20 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: yes .. vga=791 |
| 00:58.21 | dalias | i noticed the glibc locale data for wcwidth() is not up to date with unicode 5.0 |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | gravity: does that bug make any sense to you ? |
| 00:58.32 | dalias | and probably iswalpha, etc. too |
| 00:58.36 | gravity | Opera + new libx11? |
| 00:58.38 | gravity | Sorta |
| 00:58.39 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: should I change it to another value ? |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | gravity: does opera need to be rebuilt ? |
| 00:58.53 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah. The libx11 bug is a security fix. |
| 00:58.55 | dalias | any idea if someone's addresing this? |
| 00:59.15 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: should be working but I have been having the same problem. |
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| 00:59.48 | Mark_Iron | don't you have /dev/fb0 too mfrisch ? |
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| 01:00.14 | gravity | I think it's not so much that opera needs a rebuild as a bugfix |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | oh .. you think it's actually broken ? |
| 01:00.33 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: I don't have /dev/fb* either... |
| 01:01.20 | gravity | abrotman: Nothing else got broken |
| 01:01.23 | cokeslut | Hello |
| 01:01.28 | Joenin | hey |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | gravity: TG is to blame! |
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| 01:01.55 | Mark_Iron | does your xen work on this machine mfrisch ? |
| 01:01.57 | gravity | TG? |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | where's tore darn it |
| 01:02.12 | Joenin | don't know |
| 01:02.16 | cokeslut | good |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | The Gathering |
| 01:02.38 | gravity | ah |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | http://www.gathering.org/tg07/ |
| 01:03.04 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: I can't get the bridge networking to work correctly so no...but I know I need something added to /etc/udev/hotplug |
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| 01:04.46 | rahul | abrotman: they're on tour aren't they? with lacuna coil soon |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | rahul: veruca salt |
| 01:05.05 | abrotman | lacuna coil . wtf |
| 01:05.12 | rahul | oh, maybe their next tour is with LC |
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| 01:05.24 | polsonn | can i download debian livecd to hd and install fr there or do i have to burn a cd with it first? |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | rahul: the 90s called .. you're still a dork |
| 01:05.31 | rahul | what 90s? |
| 01:05.33 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: what about: (network-script network-bridge) in xend-config.sxp .. instead of (... network-dummy) ? |
| 01:05.36 | rahul | eh? |
| 01:06.10 | Kevin` | polsonn how do you expect to boot a livecd from the hard drive? |
| 01:06.13 | rahul | I do like 90s music, but dunno what that has to do with LC |
| 01:06.16 | Kevin` | polsonn normal bios will not do this |
| 01:06.27 | rahul | LC has toured with TC a bit in the past, no? |
| 01:06.32 | rahul | er TG |
| 01:06.48 | FuzzyB | is there a way to force a kernel that is set to reboot on panic to halt instead? |
| 01:06.53 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: oh you have to do that definately but you need to add one or two lines to that hotplug script I found it online and can't find it again |
| 01:06.53 | polsonn | Kevin`: in that case why not have a livehd? |
| 01:07.20 | Kevin` | polsonn it's possible, a lot of people use usb hard drives like that |
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| 01:07.27 | itchi | polsonn: If you make use of virtualisation software, then you probably not need to burn that iso |
| 01:07.40 | rahul | abrotman: see what happens when you make bogus comments? heh |
| 01:07.45 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I am NOT so far as you ;-) |
| 01:07.54 | Kevin` | using virtualization software to install an os to a physical drive is not something for the noobish |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman_ | rahul: it's not luck .. it's hte stupid landlord |
| 01:08.13 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I mean I will need a bit more time |
| 01:08.22 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: I did it like a month ago and wiped my disk (and bookmark) ;-( |
| 01:08.24 | polsonn | itchi: does debian supports virtual OS? |
| 01:08.28 | rahul | yeah, he's kicking your ass for making bogus comments |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman_ | rahul: apparently the router is a toy ... |
| 01:08.40 | Kevin` | polsonn in a word, yes.. |
| 01:08.48 | itchi | polsonn: Get qemu+kqemu or openvz, vmware-server or whatever stuff you like |
| 01:09.12 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: it doesn't sound well ;-/ |
| 01:09.20 | FuzzyB | xen is a pita |
| 01:09.22 | FuzzyB | with lvm |
| 01:09.23 | itchi | polsonn: KVM too |
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| 01:09.29 | Kevin` | and xen :) |
| 01:09.33 | lokkju_wrk | has anyone seen any "print kiosk" type setups for linux? something that would make it very easy to print - say, have email-to-print, print document from disk/cd/flashcard/usb, print using standard IP port, print using windows print sharing, etc? |
| 01:09.35 | FuzzyB | i've been trying to get it for a week |
| 01:09.38 | FuzzyB | i'm very close |
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| 01:09.47 | mfrisch | FuzzyB: it sucks with evms! |
| 01:09.48 | Vanpriest | someone could help me out, my mail seem to send to myself... |
| 01:09.48 | polsonn | itchi: as usual, Linux is full of choices. |
| 01:09.51 | Vanpriest | someoe got an idea? |
| 01:09.55 | Vanpriest | i ma using sendmail |
| 01:10.10 | itchi | polsonn: :-p |
| 01:10.12 | karsten | Vanpriest: That would be most of your problems. |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman_ | Vanpriest: that doesn't make sense |
| 01:10.16 | rahul | oh, right |
| 01:10.19 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman_ |
| 01:10.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman_ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:10.23 | polsonn | itchi: :P |
| 01:10.29 | FuzzyB | yea well i can't get the xen kernel to stop rebooting on panic |
| 01:10.31 | itchi | polsonn: You have the best tools near you, just make use of it, and btw, forget about that other komercial crap :-p |
| 01:10.32 | FuzzyB | and that's really killing me |
| 01:10.42 | FuzzyB | because i can't see the error message but for about 5 seconds |
| 01:10.44 | Vanpriest | abrotman sec i will give u an info |
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| 01:10.55 | FuzzyB | and pause isn't working |
| 01:10.55 | Kevin` | polsonn for general short term work i'd recommend qemu. powerful and easy to configure for advanced things. for long term use, vmware server (provided your using x86) |
| 01:11.00 | polsonn | itchi: are you itching? :D |
| 01:11.09 | mfrisch | FuzzyB: change the reboot option in the cfg? |
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| 01:11.23 | FuzzyB | i'm not the one that compiled this kernel |
| 01:11.26 | FuzzyB | and i'm not tryin |
| 01:11.35 | karsten | Vanpriest: What's your native language? |
| 01:11.37 | FuzzyB | to compile a kernel today |
| 01:11.37 | itchi | polsonn: If you plan to make use of qemu, do not forget to install the acceleration part; kqemu. Otherwise the stuff is to slow |
| 01:11.58 | Kevin` | heh, I use qemu without kqemu and it's acceptable |
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| 01:12.10 | Vanpriest | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5955. |
| 01:12.11 | itchi | Kevin`: Try kqemu then ;-) |
| 01:12.23 | Dark-cky | any Cky fans here?? |
| 01:12.25 | Vanpriest | karsten: i speak french |
| 01:12.31 | polsonn | Kevin`: itchi: would that means a complete re-installation if i am running etch now? |
| 01:12.34 | karsten | !fr |
| 01:12.34 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:12.40 | itchi | Kevin`: That stuff is packaged for Etch. And btw kqemu is free since some time too :-) |
| 01:12.46 | rahul | Cky or CKY? |
| 01:12.48 | karsten | Vanpriest: You're not making yourself very clear in English. |
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| 01:12.56 | Kevin` | polsonn no.. what are you planning to do? |
| 01:13.05 | Vanpriest | karsten check the error logs and u will understand what my problems... |
| 01:13.06 | Vanpriest | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5955 |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman_ | you're sending mail as root |
| 01:13.44 | rahul | ah, deceit is striking gold |
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| 01:13.57 | Vanpriest | why does it try to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:13.59 | itchi | polsonn: My install is so old as the release of Sarge. Can you believe that? |
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| 01:14.21 | itchi | Not ask me why i not use Debian daily before the Sarge release |
| 01:14.29 | Madsy2 | So is mine :> |
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| 01:14.35 | itchi | s/use/used/ |
| 01:14.57 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: It's delivering the message to the local exim daemon, which will handle sending it over the network |
| 01:14.58 | Jerub | If I wanted to look up the details of a bug that is from 1998, and not in the bugs.debian.org database, how would I do that? |
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| 01:15.10 | Jerub | it's bug #22579. |
| 01:15.24 | Vanpriest | Wyzard: tat weird because it cnanot send :S i dont reeiceve any mail to my email |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman_ | !dbugs 22579 |
| 01:15.34 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman_ | cute |
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| 01:15.44 | itchi | !#22579 |
| 01:15.45 | Ronin | clear like a microsoft error |
| 01:15.49 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: That's an exim configuration problem, then |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman_ | Jerub: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=22579 |
| 01:15.59 | itchi | nah, shit, and i did it right in pm haha |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman_ | Jerub: i'm not sure if there's another interface ornot |
| 01:16.16 | Jerub | There is no record of Bug #22579. Try the search page instead. |
| 01:16.16 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: Maybe exim is not configured to send mail to places other than the local machine? |
| 01:16.30 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:16.40 | Vanpriest | Wyzard: let me check |
| 01:16.45 | polsonn | Kevin`: right now my system only runs one OS, etch. i am thinking about multiple OS. you and itchi suggest several options for that. i just wonder if, to implement any one of them, i have to re-install a new system. |
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| 01:16.59 | itchi | Yeah, the link tell that there's no #22579 :-s |
| 01:17.07 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: I'm not an expert with this so I can't offer much more advice beyond that dpkg-reconfigure command |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman_ | anime-fanclub ? |
| 01:17.14 | Vanpriest | Wyzard: you right, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:17.16 | abrotman_ | Wyzard: it's pretty simple :) |
| 01:17.19 | Kevin` | polsonn for the virtualization options, definitely not. for multiboot, no, if you resize |
| 01:17.41 | polsonn | k |
| 01:17.45 | Jerub | itchi: there is definately a 22579, but it's from the deep dark mists of time, before the internet was made whole. |
| 01:17.57 | Jerub | i.e 97/98. |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman_ | dondelelcaro: do you know how to get that bug ? |
| 01:18.18 | Jerub | so, no clues about how I would go about finding it? |
| 01:18.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman_: that's not the right bug number |
| 01:18.27 | abrotman_ | that was easy :) |
| 01:18.30 | Wyzard | polsonn: Depending on which virtualization system you use, you might be able to use raw disk partitions (or LVM volumes) for better performance, but typically you can also just store the virtual machine's "hard drive" as a big file on your existing filesystem |
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| 01:19.11 | dondelelcaro | some bugs that were closed a long time ago simply do not exist anymore, as we were deleting bugs that wwere fixed |
| 01:19.35 | Jerub | yeah, it was closed in '98. |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman_ | so they're just magically gone forever? |
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| 01:19.44 | rahul | poof. |
| 01:19.47 | dondelelcaro | abrotman_: for really old bugs, yes. |
| 01:19.51 | Vanpriest | wyzard: when i tried to install the exim4-config it removed me sendmail... |
| 01:19.54 | Jerub | damn, that sucks. |
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| 01:20.02 | rahul | Jerub: it's so ancient. why would it still be relevant? |
| 01:20.07 | Jerub | I wanted to see the discussion. |
| 01:20.16 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: Why did you have sendmail installed? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman_ | wouldn't be archived in groups.google ? |
| 01:20.23 | dondelelcaro | probably |
| 01:20.24 | Vanpriest | to use mail command |
| 01:20.29 | Vanpriest | i cannot use it |
| 01:20.31 | Jerub | rahul: it was the bug that caused /sbin/halt to power-off the computer. |
| 01:20.34 | Vanpriest | with exim-config |
| 01:20.37 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: exim serves the same purpose as sendmail but it's more secure, so Debian uses it by default |
| 01:20.47 | Vanpriest | how do u send email trough it? |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman_ | Jerub: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.closed/browse_frm/thread/aabfa00c5e3f80b2/8825eb3f41ff531b?lnk=st&q=bugs.debian.org+22579&rnum=1#8825eb3f41ff531b |
| 01:20.53 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: /usr/bin/mail is in the "mailx" package |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman_ | whoops .. sorry |
| 01:21.22 | Vanpriest | wyzard: how do u send email trough exim4 |
| 01:21.27 | Vanpriest | mailx isnnot installed with exim |
| 01:21.37 | Jerub | IWBNI ? |
| 01:21.45 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: You can install it now, though |
| 01:21.46 | Jerub | abrotman_: thanks for that! |
| 01:21.47 | itchi | If i write a zsh script, will it 'work' with bash too? |
| 01:21.59 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: and it should work essentially the same way as with sendmail |
| 01:21.59 | dondelelcaro | itchi: depends |
| 01:22.00 | Vanpriest | wyzard: ok sir :) |
| 01:22.00 | Jerub | itchi: only if you don't use any zshisms. |
| 01:22.06 | itchi | hhm |
| 01:22.09 | Vanpriest | so i will have the mail command back? |
| 01:22.19 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: If you install mailx, yes |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman_ | !iwbni |
| 01:22.39 | dondelelcaro | itchi: generally you'd just #!/bin/zsh; and then it'd work with bash just fine as long as zsh was installed. |
| 01:22.59 | itchi | dondelelcaro: What if zsh is not installed? |
| 01:23.04 | dondelelcaro | itchi: then it'd fail |
| 01:23.08 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: Since it sounds like your exim setup may be broken, I'd recommend installing the "exim4" package too |
| 01:23.19 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: ("exim4-config" is just part of exim, not the whole thing) |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman_ | !iwbni is <reply>iwbni = It Would Be Nice If ... |
| 01:23.24 | dpkg | abrotman_: okay |
| 01:23.24 | itchi | dondelelcaro: He look to that shebang and tell that /bin/zsh is not installed? |
| 01:23.25 | dondelelcaro | itchi: if you only use POSIX bits, then you can #!/bin/sh |
| 01:23.37 | Vanpriest | wyzard: i will give u the error message when i try to sned emia lwith exim |
| 01:24.02 | Vanpriest | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5956. |
| 01:24.04 | Vanpriest | here |
| 01:24.33 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: Looks like exim isn't configured for sending mail to other sites, as I mentioned before |
| 01:24.34 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Normally yes |
| 01:24.38 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" again |
| 01:24.59 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah; if you /bin/sh it'll almost always actually be using bash anyway, so that's fine. |
| 01:25.09 | Jerub | dondelelcaro: I would advise against using #!/bin/sh unless actually testing the script with a variety of posix shells. |
| 01:25.23 | Jerub | dondelelcaro: there are too many gotchas in ''posix'' shell compatiblity. |
| 01:25.27 | dondelelcaro | Jerub: using /bin/sh is fine if you know what it means to use /bin/sh |
| 01:26.00 | itchi | /bin/sh is a symlink to bash i thought |
| 01:26.04 | dondelelcaro | itchi: sometimes |
| 01:26.11 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it can be any posix compliant shell, though. |
| 01:26.17 | dondelelcaro | (like dash or posh or...) |
| 01:26.37 | itchi | I not use that, only bit of Bash, and now give zsh a try :-) |
| 01:26.47 | bzed | even bash tries to emulate a real /bin/sh but afaik it fails on doing it ;) |
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| 01:27.08 | dondelelcaro | bzed: it'd already died trying... what more do you want from it? |
| 01:27.27 | Jerub | dondelelcaro: have you read about this saga? ubuntu going to /bin/sh linking to /bin/dash ? |
| 01:27.32 | Jerub | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/61463 |
| 01:27.33 | ToHellWithGA | does the business card CD image have wireless support? i have a pci card based on the rt2500 chipset |
| 01:27.46 | itchi | kug, is that 'good' dash? |
| 01:27.48 | Wyzard | ToHellWithGA: I don't think so, though I'm not certain |
| 01:27.50 | bzed | dondelelcaro: disappear in air? |
| 01:28.00 | dondelelcaro | Jerub: um... I'm quite familiar with the entire issue; it's actually an RC bug to make postinst scripts which don't work with dash. |
| 01:28.16 | ToHellWithGA | this computer is about 300 feet of wire from the wireless router :( |
| 01:28.18 | itchi | I dunno about dash right now :-s |
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| 01:28.23 | Jerub | dondelelcaro: good. :) |
| 01:28.33 | bzed | Jerub: nothing wrong with that imho. where's the sense to start this bloated bash for every init script? |
| 01:28.52 | Wyzard | ToHellWithGA: Well, you can buy a 1000-foot spool of cat5e for around $50 USD :-) |
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| 01:29.00 | ToHellWithGA | lol |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman_ | ToHellWithGA: doubtful .. it has to be compiled after the install |
| 01:29.08 | ToHellWithGA | that kinda defeats teh freeness of it all |
| 01:29.13 | ToHellWithGA | s/teh/the/ |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman_ | !info rt2500-source etch |
| 01:29.24 | ToHellWithGA | sid? |
| 01:29.27 | Wyzard | ToHellWithGA: or temporarily relocate the computer, or download the CD/DVD images with another computer and install from CD instead of from the network |
| 01:29.27 | Jerub | bzed: what's wromg is that the ubuntu build machines have to have /bin/sh manually reconfigured to /bin/bash because of all the makefiles and autoconf scripts that blow up with /bin/sh being /bin/basj |
| 01:29.29 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (etch), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 01:30.32 | ToHellWithGA | the ubuntu minimal cd does wireless (not for all cards, of course) but i was hoping to try a less fluff-filled installation |
| 01:31.06 | ToHellWithGA | the vm of debian unstable i installed was right around 1.5GB including gnome-desktop and xorg |
| 01:31.09 | Wyzard | ToHellWithGA: Ubuntu is desktop-oriented; Debian is more server-oriented so wireless support during installation probably wasn't a high priority |
| 01:31.14 | Ronin | then dont do a netinstall? |
| 01:31.17 | ToHellWithGA | i see |
| 01:31.19 | Ronin | so tospeak |
| 01:31.21 | Jerub | bzed: if you don't want to start bash for init scripts, depend on dash, and use /bin/dash manually :) |
| 01:31.35 | dondelelcaro | we actually support wireless in the installation; the problem is that we can't distribute a lot of the firmware required to do so. |
| 01:31.38 | bzed | Jerub: no. fix the build stuff |
| 01:31.42 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:31.48 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: do you know such etch message?: xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory |
| 01:31.55 | ToHellWithGA | dondelelcaro: specifically, my firmware? rt2500 |
| 01:32.07 | dondelelcaro | ToHellWithGA: could be; I'm not familiar with that card, actually. |
| 01:32.10 | Wyzard | but can the user provide the firmware to the installer, and thereby use wireless for installation? |
| 01:32.12 | Jerub | bzed: I'd love to. Now help me convince ubuntu not to ship dash as bash by default until that's accomplished? |
| 01:32.17 | bzed | Jerub: you won't be able to build things on other unices if you use /bin/sh but want to use /bin/bash |
| 01:32.18 | Jerub | er dash as /bin/sh |
| 01:32.26 | ToHellWithGA | i'll give it a spin. worst case it doesn't work and i have to carry the box around to wire it |
| 01:32.30 | ToHellWithGA | thanks fellas |
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| 01:32.35 | Jerub | bzed: solaris sh allows echo -n. |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman_ | ToHellWithGA: the debian kernel doesn't provide even that driver AFAICT .. see above about the source package |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman_ | or not ... |
| 01:32.43 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:32.52 | Jerub | as does a looser reading of the posix spec. |
| 01:32.54 | bzed | Jerub: no. sometimes the hard way is the best, and imho that's one of them |
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| 01:33.09 | Vanpriest | wyzard: got any idea about it http://channels.debian.net/paste/5957. |
| 01:33.12 | Vanpriest | i rconfigure the exim |
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| 01:33.33 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I'm getting this message IF I am trying to start the hvm |
| 01:34.04 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: exactly with your syntax above |
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| 01:34.47 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: maybe it has something with /dev/fb0 to do ... |
| 01:34.56 | bzed | Jerub: a looser reading of the specs won't help you.the posix standard is the intersection of the sets containf the functions of the different shells |
| 01:34.58 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: what is it? |
| 01:35.01 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: It looks like your exim is doing the right thing and connecting to the remote mailserver, but the remote mailserver is getting confused |
| 01:35.14 | itchi | Why is the default prompt of zsh so ugly? I guess people that not yet know much about zsh would think that there's somehtings messed up and go away of zsh |
| 01:35.15 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: I don't know enough about SMTP to see why that would happen, though |
| 01:35.33 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I've created /dev/fb0 with mknod /dev/fb0 c 29 0 ... but I still have the same error log-message |
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| 01:35.55 | itchi | maybe s/much// |
| 01:35.58 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: what os are you installing? |
| 01:36.06 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: etch ... |
| 01:36.29 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: .. but I cann't get the console .. |
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| 01:37.06 | pzn | Hi. I need a program for inventory/stock control in debian? that I can register my products or register the pieces that they are made from... thanks in advance. |
| 01:37.12 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' failed ... in qemu.*.log |
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| 01:39.03 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: aptitude install xen-tools xenman then edit /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.cfg it will create and debootstrap/rpmstrap a new image. |
| 01:39.31 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to gro an XFS partition if I don't have a LVM? xfs_growfs /xfspartition -D 256 does not work for me :( |
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| 01:39.52 | Wyzard | ruben: error message? |
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| 01:40.02 | ruben | data size 256 too small, old size is 248992 |
| 01:40.13 | Mark_Iron | I've installed allready xenman and xen-tools .. mfrisch ... well .. I cann't start the console for the installation ... |
| 01:40.21 | Wyzard | ruben: You're specifying a size that extends slightly past the end of your partition |
| 01:40.29 | Wyzard | ruben: Just omit the size, and it'll detect it automatically |
| 01:40.58 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you never see it. untill you start it for the first time |
| 01:41.18 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: with disk optiin like: disk [ ..., ',ioemu,hda:cdrom,r' ] |
| 01:41.23 | Wyzard | ruben: Actually, no, I misread the message -- you're telling it to grow the filesystem to 256 blocks, which is tiny |
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| 01:41.51 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: well it should probally boot before I would worry about that stuff. |
| 01:41.52 | l3jj | when does the next version of debian come out? |
| 01:41.52 | Wyzard | ruben: anyway, just omit the size parameter |
| 01:41.54 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I have to get first the install console .. boot="d" in config file |
| 01:41.58 | Wyzard | Mark_Iron: ioemu? |
| 01:42.05 | Wyzard | !tell l3jj about wir |
| 01:42.11 | Mark_Iron | Wyzard: yes .. |
| 01:42.13 | ruben | uhmm, I have a HD with 80GB, but 50 are free, I am thinking that xfs_grow 'to get' the size of this 'unused' partition, am I correct? sorry my english :) |
| 01:42.21 | mfrisch | xen-ioemu |
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| 01:42.26 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: with disk optiin like: disk [ ..., ',ioemu:hda:cdrom,r' ] *sorry* |
| 01:42.31 | l3jj | Wyzard: I know that....but are we talking months days weeks years? |
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| 01:42.33 | ruben | But I only want to expand 256MB |
| 01:42.35 | nn-main | ok |
| 01:42.46 | Mark_Iron | I mean Wyzard : with disk option like: disk [ ..., ',ioemu:hda:cdrom,r' ] *sorry* |
| 01:42.51 | mina_linux_Tux | i have Debian sarge i don't have an to X mode , i want to make an hp LJ 1018 to work , i installed the foo2zjs.. .deb , foomatic , cups, gs, all from the command line i followed the manual of the driver foo2zjs to make printing test using gs and foo2zjs , nothing went , i didn't even to install printconf , always i got an error , i don't know even to make a printer queue, any help ? |
| 01:43.02 | Wyzard | Mark_Iron: oh, ok... I haven't worked with HVM domains so I hadn't heard of that package, and it sounded interesting |
| 01:43.37 | Mark_Iron | well Wyzard ... I it is still not working .. ;-/ |
| 01:43.45 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Paste your error on a pastebin |
| 01:44.03 | Wyzard | ruben: How is your disk partitioned now? |
| 01:44.08 | Mark_Iron | Wyzard: I have few problems .. one of them is with /dev/fb0 ... |
| 01:44.40 | ruben | Wyzard: lije /boot, /tmp, /usr, /usr/local etc, using standar 'mounts', not LVM |
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| 01:44.46 | Wyzard | Mark_Iron: I don't use framebuffers on my Xen box so I can't help with that, sorry |
| 01:44.48 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: i got the error when i hit ctrl+c or interrupt the installation |
| 01:44.54 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: its definently not going to work without the fb that way thats for sure |
| 01:45.05 | ruben | I was thinkining that xfs can grow 'normal partitions' |
| 01:45.15 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: You probably not need to hit that. But it's not yet clear what your doing |
| 01:45.22 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: if I want to use /dev/sda3 as an install partition .. what should be the root-line? .. : root = "dev/sda3 ro" ? |
| 01:45.26 | Wyzard | ruben: XFS doesn't grow partitions at all, nor does it grow LVM volumes |
| 01:45.41 | Mark_Iron | thank you Wyzard ;-) |
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| 01:45.51 | Wyzard | ruben: You extend the LV or partition yourself, and then use xfs_growfs to extend the filesystem to fill the new size of the partition |
| 01:45.54 | Kevin` | xfs filesystems can be grown live |
| 01:45.56 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: I am trying to install radeonfb ... |
| 01:46.08 | ruben | Wyzard: so, If I don't use LVM, I cannot grow it? I am right now? |
| 01:46.15 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I'm talking about the difference between resizing a block device and resizing a filesystem |
| 01:46.19 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: i'm trying to get this printer make a printing job from the command line , and that'all what i did , regarding the driver and printing server and tools |
| 01:46.42 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: ehw I have seen patches for nvidia never for ati you need a custom kernel for that ;-( |
| 01:46.45 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Is that a USB printer? Which printer is it exactly? |
| 01:46.48 | Wyzard | ruben: No, XFS doesn't care whether you're using LVM or not |
| 01:46.49 | ruben | Wyzard: but, I need to reinstall all no? the partitions are created :( |
| 01:47.12 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: yes it's USB , HP LaserJet 1018 |
| 01:47.15 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you want vesa for the fb |
| 01:47.20 | Wyzard | ruben: Do you understand the difference between the filesystem and the underlying block device where it resides? |
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| 01:47.35 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: ;-((( .. it is ATI V5250 graphic chip |
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| 01:47.51 | Mark_Iron | vesa would be also OK mfrisch . |
| 01:47.56 | bzed | Mark_Iron: there's no chance to run xen with ati cards if you want to run a X on dom0, same for nvidia cards on non-i386 platforms |
| 01:48.07 | ruben | Wyzard: not sure :), then, how can 'resize' or grow a existing partition? |
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| 01:48.18 | mfrisch | Mark_Iron: you should use vesa fb. |
| 01:48.23 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: And why do you interupt that installation? |
| 01:48.26 | Mark_Iron | bzed: thanks for the info! .. what about a vesa-mode ? |
| 01:48.40 | Mark_Iron | how to load vesa fb mfrisch ? |
| 01:48.46 | mfrisch | bzed: there is a patch for nvidia I haven't gotten it to work is it i386 only? |
| 01:48.47 | bzed | Mark_Iron: vesafb works afaik. |
| 01:48.53 | Wyzard | ruben: You can "extend" a partition by using fdisk (or a variant such as cfdisk) to delete the partition and create a new one with the *same starting location* but a different ending location |
| 01:48.55 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: cause it take a lot of time setting up the package |
| 01:49.00 | bzed | mfrisch: afaik it's i386 only |
| 01:49.09 | Mark_Iron | bzed ... well .. in /etc/modules vesafb ? |
| 01:49.16 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Okay, you know your trouble then |
| 01:49.18 | Wyzard | ruben: That gives you a bigger block device, and *then* you can run xfs_growfs to extend the filesystem to fill it |
| 01:49.40 | ruben | so, I need to destroy all data on that partition nope? |
| 01:49.42 | Wyzard | ruben: However, if there's another partition occupying the space after the one you're trying to enlarge, you're stuck |
| 01:50.02 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Just install that stuff, a bit be patient, and then printconf |
| 01:50.10 | Wyzard | ruben: Deleting a partition in fdisk doesn't destroy the data, it just removes the pointer to where the data is located |
| 01:50.14 | bzed | Mark_Iron: boot with video=vesafb as kernel-param. |
| 01:50.36 | Wyzard | ruben: If you delete a partition and then create another one with the same starting address, and equal or greater size, you don't lose anything |
| 01:50.48 | ruben | Wyzard: Is new for me all this :), thanks for the explanation |
| 01:50.49 | bzed | Mark_Iron: if I remember right... or video=vesafb:0x... and replace 0x... by a mode you get from hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 01:51.04 | bzed | mfrisch: kvm works well for me though |
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| 01:51.17 | Mark_Iron | great bzed :-) ... I will try it ;-))) |
| 01:51.21 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: at least tell me how from the command line i can see all the output of a make , there is no page up and down :) ? |
| 01:51.24 | Wyzard | ruben: But if there are other partitions located after the one you're extending, you'll have to backup those and delete them to make room for extending this one |
| 01:51.44 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Why make? |
| 01:51.45 | mfrisch | bzed: I got it to patch a 2.16 base but nothing recent. amd-64 |
| 01:51.45 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Just use apt-get install foo |
| 01:51.51 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: btw see /msg dpkg foo |
| 01:51.56 | bzed | mfrisch: are you sure it works at all for amd64? |
| 01:51.58 | Wyzard | ruben: and then after you've deleted and recreated this partition with a bigger size, create new ones after it (they'll be in a different location now) and restore their data from the backup |
| 01:52.12 | Wyzard | ruben: (That restriction is what LVM lets you avoid) |
| 01:52.14 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: i tried the .deb driver , and i'm compiling the source of it |
| 01:52.16 | ruben | well, I am complety erroneos, I was thinking that xfs_grows gets 'magically' the size fo my 50GB free, hehehe |
| 01:52.22 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: no no wait |
| 01:52.31 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: You not need to compile stuff manually |
| 01:52.37 | Wyzard | ruben: xfs_growfs grows a filesystem within a block device |
| 01:52.48 | Wyzard | ruben: You still have to extend the block device yourself |
| 01:52.48 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Why want you compile that stuff from source+? |
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| 01:53.32 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Hold on, there's a website with lots of info how to setup foo printer |
| 01:53.33 | ruben | Wyzard: thanks for all :) |
| 01:53.40 | Wyzard | ruben: btw, consider using a different filesystem if your computer isn't connected to a good UPS... XFS doesn't deal well with unclean shutdowns, and tends to corrupt files that were recently modified |
| 01:53.43 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: cause i got it working /the printer on fedora by compiling it |
| 01:53.51 | rahul | Wyzard: not any more |
| 01:54.14 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com |
| 01:54.17 | rahul | Wyzard: and not like most FSes deal with it well, either, unless you enable full data logging, which hurts performance |
| 01:54.19 | Wyzard | rahul: I read a few years ago that it had been "supposedly fixed", but it still happened to me |
| 01:54.54 | ruben | Wyzard: my 'friend', says that xfs is much better than ext3 and faster, for this reason, 'I am using it', maybe my firend lies ;D |
| 01:54.58 | Wyzard | rahul: and there's a difference between "some writes didn't get flushed to disk" (most FSes) and "this file that I had recently modified is now filled entirely with zeros" (XFS) |
| 01:55.03 | ruben | Or is not well-documented |
| 01:55.07 | rahul | Wyzard: there was a _bug_ a few years ago. now it's just a race condition, but they've made a change whereby they wait till the blocks are written before considering the metadata transaction complete |
| 01:55.11 | Mark_Iron | bzed: hwinfo ... Comman not found ;-( |
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| 01:55.23 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: isn't it ? |
| 01:55.35 | rahul | ruben: it's in the FAQ. |
| 01:55.36 | Wyzard | ruben: XFS does perform better than ext3 generally, but it's meant for high-end servers connected to big UPSes where abrupt shutdowns aren't a concern |
| 01:55.49 | ruben | :( |
| 01:55.54 | bzed | Mark_Iron: apt-get isntall hwinfo |
| 01:56.12 | rahul | full discussion of the various levels of performance degradation you can choose to have to get more reliability |
| 01:56.12 | ruben | I have a 'patetical' desktop hehe xD |
| 01:56.12 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: r u there ? |
| 01:56.12 | Mark_Iron | good idea bzed ;-))) |
| 01:56.24 | Wyzard | rahul: My experience is that several kernel revisions after the FAQ said that problem shouldn't happen anymore, it was still happening to me |
| 01:56.39 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Yes yes |
| 01:56.54 | rahul | Wyzard: it could still happen because of on-disk write caches |
| 01:56.59 | Wyzard | ruben: JFS also has good performance |
| 01:56.59 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: I'm looking on the site you gave, but i dunno what foo2zjs is |
| 01:57.05 | rahul | Wyzard: ext2 has the same problem |
| 01:57.28 | Wyzard | rahul: I've never seen the "file is now full of zeros" problem with any other filesystem besides XFS |
| 01:57.28 | rahul | ext3 can be set to full data journalling, so it can avoid that, at the cost of having all blocks go through the journal |
| 01:57.33 | ruben | Wyzard: whats is the 'better' for debian for a desktop at home? |
| 01:58.01 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: may u please tell me how to get all the output of the make from the command line to know the errors that i have , and i'll post on the error i got trying to install printconf and come back ok ? |
| 01:58.17 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: You want to scroll up? |
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| 01:58.25 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: shift+page up |
| 01:58.31 | Wyzard | ruben: ext3 is sufficient in most cases, and is well-understood and has good recovery tools in case something goes wrong |
| 01:59.07 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Or maybe are you better to redirect the output directly to a file |
| 01:59.07 | Wyzard | ruben: reiserfs performs better than ext3, but you'll find that some people say it's well-established and reliable (talking about reiser3, not reiser4) and others who call it "ricerfs" and accuse it of randomly corrupting itself for fun |
| 01:59.21 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: ... when you do the make |
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| 01:59.29 | Wyzard | ruben: In some informal testing I found JFS to be a bit faster than reiserfs and I'm using it now |
| 01:59.48 | ruben | uhmm, interesting |
| 01:59.49 | bzed | ruben: I've used ext2 when there was no ext3, and I'm using ext3 now... and never managed to crash my disk in a way that e2fsck would have failed. except once, when the drive died |
| 02:00.06 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: i did try to redirect but i did not get the errors only the first 5 lines, could you provide me with site you said about it rgarding the |
| 02:00.12 | ruben | can I switch xfs to ext3? |
| 02:00.20 | ruben | or jfs? |
| 02:00.22 | bzed | Wyzard: I remember there was one thing why I didn;t want to use JFS.... I forgot which one, though |
| 02:00.25 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Somethings like make 2>&1 >> "/tmp/foo_install.log" |
| 02:00.28 | Wyzard | not without doing a backup/format/restore on the partition |
| 02:00.29 | bzed | ruben: not without re-formatting |
| 02:01.24 | ruben | hehehe :) |
| 02:01.24 | rahul | ruben: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#wcache |
| 02:01.24 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: http://openprinting.org/p the cups site too |
| 02:01.25 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: remove that unwanted p |
| 02:01.25 | Wyzard | bzed: Lack of shrinkability is a bit of a concern since I use LVM, but my array is less than half-full presently so I can do the "copy to new, smaller LV" if necessary and I rarely need to shrink filesystems anyway |
| 02:01.29 | ruben | uhmm, using cp -Rp or tar is a good way to do a backup? |
| 02:01.33 | litage | i'm trying to remove an LVM logical volume, but it keeps failing with "Can't remove open logical volume "var-log-asterisk"". why would LVM think the LV is open even though ``mount'' doesn't list it? |
| 02:01.38 | ruben | then format and copy it |
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| 02:01.43 | Wyzard | bzed: I plan to evaluate ext4 when it's released, with an eye toward switching |
| 02:01.45 | mina_linux_Tux | what's 2>&1>> |
| 02:01.50 | Mark_Iron | bzed: what about /dev/.statx/dev/fb0 ? .... I have such device ,, and DON't know why |
| 02:01.51 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: what's 2>&1>> |
| 02:03.11 | Mark_Iron | .static .. @ bzed |
| 02:03.11 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: To redirect the stuff the standart output and error |
| 02:03.11 | bzed | Mark_Iron: you'll get it automatically when the module is loaded. |
| 02:03.11 | bzed | !tell Mark_Iron about udev |
| 02:03.11 | markybob | wow. factoid ext4 sure is worthless |
| 02:03.11 | Wyzard | litage: See if you can "lvchange -an" it first, to make it unavailable without actually deleting it |
| 02:03.12 | bzed | Mark_Iron: udev is the 2.6 magic now ;) |
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| 02:03.27 | Wyzard | litage: If that fails too, use fuser on its device node in /dev/mapper to find out what has it open |
| 02:03.27 | Mark_Iron | maybe I could make a link to /dev/.static/dev/fb0 ??? @ bzed |
| 02:03.36 | bzed | Mark_Iron: you don't do that |
| 02:03.36 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1018 |
| 02:03.46 | Mark_Iron | hmm .. |
| 02:03.47 | bzed | Mark_Iron: udev does it for you. automatically. magic |
| 02:04.01 | bzed | Mark_Iron: if there IS a fb device, you've have a /dev/fb0 |
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| 02:04.13 | bzed | Mark_Iron: if there's no fb device, there's no /dev/fb0 |
| 02:04.25 | litage | Wyzard: ``lvchange -an'' fails with "LV LVG/var-log-asterisk in use: not removing". trying fuser now.. |
| 02:04.26 | Mark_Iron | my problem is an error message when trying to create a HVM and open a console |
| 02:04.30 | mfrisch | bzed: isn't for me either..video=vesa no change. |
| 02:04.37 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: ok thanks i'll be back |
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| 02:04.52 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Try to get that error ;-) |
| 02:05.00 | Mark_Iron | right bzed ! .. but qemu gives me an error message ;-( |
| 02:05.10 | mina_linux_Tux | itchi: do u know what's hotplug/udev ? |
| 02:05.54 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: See /msg dpkg udev |
| 02:05.59 | Wyzard | litage: btw, a tip: I name my VGs as "hostname_vg0" so that the names are different on each host -- that way, if for some reason (maybe disaster recovery) I have to connect one box's drives to another box, I don't have two VGs with the same name and confuse LVM |
| 02:06.18 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Ask dpkg about hotplug too |
| 02:06.25 | itchi | !tell mina_linux_Tux about selftell |
| 02:06.32 | litage | Wyzard: that's a good idea. thanks |
| 02:06.42 | ruben | Wyzard: well, good nigth, and thank you :) |
| 02:07.08 | Wyzard | ruben: goodnight, and good luck with your repartitioning |
| 02:07.08 | itchi | mina_linux_Tux: Just say it, if it's not clear to you |
| 02:07.15 | ruben | hehehe :) |
| 02:07.23 | Mark_Iron | bzed: DirectFB/Util: opening 'dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed .... --> no such file or directory ;-((( |
| 02:08.55 | litage | Wyzard: ``sudo fuser -va /dev/LVG/var-log-asterisk'' lists no processes. am i using the wrong args? |
| 02:09.32 | Wyzard | litage: /dev/LVG/var-log-asterisk is a symlink to (probably) /dev/mapper/LVG-var--log--asterisk |
| 02:09.39 | Wyzard | litage: The latter is the real device node |
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| 02:11.25 | litage | Wyzard: ``sudo fuser -a /dev/mapper/LVG-var--log--asterisk'' also lists no processes |
| 02:11.33 | bzed | Mark_Iron: are you using vesafb now? |
| 02:11.42 | bzed | Mark_Iron: did you reboot? or modprobe the module? |
| 02:11.49 | Wyzard | litage: hmm, dunno then, sorry |
| 02:11.58 | litage | Wyzard: np, thanks for your help |
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| 02:12.22 | Mark_Iron | bzed: not vesafb .. BUT radeonfb ... |
| 02:12.41 | Mark_Iron | bzed: I modprobe-d radeonfb .. |
| 02:12.49 | Mark_Iron | +'ve |
| 02:13.00 | mfrisch | bzed: whats the grub line video=vesa or vesafb ? |
| 02:13.35 | bzed | i think video=vesafb or vga=vesafb, that has changed some time ago if I remember right |
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| 02:14.27 | Wyzard | It'd be video=vesafb |
| 02:14.31 | Wyzard | vga= is for specifying the video mode |
| 02:14.56 | Wyzard | but you probably shouldn't load vesafb if you're trying to use radeonfb... |
| 02:15.41 | Mark_Iron | Wyzard: I don't have a vesafb module |
| 02:16.09 | Wyzard | It's compiled statically into the kernel |
| 02:16.17 | Wyzard | doesn't work as a module so it's not built as one |
| 02:16.18 | Mark_Iron | oh Wyzard ;-) |
| 02:16.44 | Wyzard | (There's an optional patch for a modular vesafb that works on some systems, but Debian doesn't use it) |
| 02:17.45 | Mark_Iron | Wyzard: .. I'm trying it just now |
| 02:18.00 | Wyzard | trying what now? |
| 02:18.14 | Mark_Iron | video=vesafb Wyzard |
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| 02:18.33 | Wyzard | You said earlier you were loading radeonfb |
| 02:18.39 | Wyzard | so I'm confused as to what your goal is |
| 02:19.06 | Mark_Iron | to get xen HVM starting a console |
| 02:19.22 | predder | I've got an unmounted logical volume that lvremove wont let me delete because it's being "accessed" by something, any ideas how to figure out what's using it? |
| 02:19.37 | Wyzard | You're running Debian with HVM instead of with a -xen kernel? |
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| 02:20.09 | Wyzard | predder: litage was just asking about that same problem a few minutes ago |
| 02:20.09 | Mark_Iron | yes Wyzard |
| 02:20.14 | Wyzard | Mark_Iron: ...why? |
| 02:20.26 | Mark_Iron | Wyzard: xen-vserver-amd64 ... |
| 02:21.02 | predder | Wyzard, oh, sorry.. |
| 02:21.02 | TraceGreen | hello, does anyone use ntfs-3g? I want to case insensitive, how can i set it? |
| 02:21.23 | Mark_Iron | hmm Wyzard .. dom0 is etch64 ... and I want to use domUs as HVMs |
| 02:21.55 | Wyzard | Mark_Iron: OK, so you're running -xen-vserver-amd64 in dom0 |
| 02:21.59 | rpc | does anyone know if it's true that Dual Core X2 on debian needs kernel without SMP to work properly? |
| 02:22.08 | Wyzard | and you're trying to get the framebuffer working in dom0? |
| 02:22.13 | markybob | TraceGreen: file-lookups are always case sensitive with ntfs-3g |
| 02:22.13 | Mark_Iron | right Wyzard ;-) |
| 02:22.23 | Wyzard | rpc: SMP is needed to utilize both cores |
| 02:22.33 | rpc | Wyzard i read something exactly opposite |
| 02:22.58 | Wyzard | rpc: You read wrong... dual-core is just two processors on a single piece of silicon, and SMP is needed for multiple processors |
| 02:22.59 | TraceGreen | markybob, no, when i use first version of ntfs-3g it is case insensitive, but now i can't find that version. |
| 02:23.10 | rpc | Wyzard there is a bug in X2... that's what i mean |
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| 02:23.18 | Wyzard | rpc: and nothing specifically needs a kernel *without* SMP... SMP kernels work fine on uniprocessor systems too |
| 02:23.21 | markybob | TraceGreen: yes, it was changed in later versions and that's not something you can change |
| 02:23.31 | Wyzard | rpc: There's a bug in X2 such that it's impossible to use the second core? |
| 02:23.37 | TraceGreen | markybob, oh... |
| 02:23.39 | rpc | Wyzard if you understand german.. Man muß halt den SMP-Kernel wählen, damit er die DualCore-Funktionalität und mehr als 1GB RAM nutzt. |
| 02:23.53 | itchi | Wyzard: On some single core's SMP not work |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman_ | what the hell do the germans know ... |
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| 02:24.03 | Wyzard | rpc: I understand enough German to make sense of half of that |
| 02:24.09 | rpc | Wyzard so? |
| 02:24.09 | litage | how can the load average for a single-CPU machine be 8.14? |
| 02:24.13 | markybob | abrotman_: effective methods of killing people? |
| 02:24.17 | abrotman_ | litage: easily |
| 02:24.25 | liable_ | my wifi iface keeps going from running to not running in ifconfig. i am starting to think i have a hardware problem (two different nics) |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman_ | markybob: uhm .. wrong? :) |
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| 02:24.36 | markybob | abrotman_: :) |
| 02:24.38 | litage | abrotman_: i thought load average is a value between 0 and X, with X being the # of CPUs |
| 02:24.52 | Wyzard | rpc: An SMP kernel cannot utilize more than one core |
| 02:24.53 | markybob | litage: no. |
| 02:25.06 | Wyzard | rpc: A non-SMP kernel will work on a dual-core system, sure, but half the processor is going to waste |
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| 02:25.21 | litage | k, i'll read up on load average |
| 02:25.25 | Wyzard | rpc: oops, make that "a *non*-SMP kernel cannot utilize more than one core" |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | litage: i once had the displeasure of trying to code on an AIX box with a load >100 |
| 02:25.32 | rpc | Wyzard and you are sure? perhaps X2 will handle that in a different way then |
| 02:25.51 | mfrisch | bzed: I just tried video=vesafb vga=791 too. I remember using a modeline with vesafb but I don't remember it |
| 02:25.53 | litage | abrotman: ew. i don't fully comprehend what that means, but i know it's not good! =P |
| 02:26.02 | rpc | Wyzard it might be done on the hardware level, don't you think? |
| 02:26.03 | Wyzard | litage: IIRC, load average is the number of processors that are ready to are run (not sleeping or blocked on I/O) but not currently running because there are more of them than there are available processors |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | litage: it means .. you can type a whole page .. and wait .. and suddenly you'll get your turn and it will all magically appear |
| 02:26.18 | Wyzard | litage: sorry, number of *processes* that are ready to run |
| 02:26.32 | Mark_Iron | mfrisch: video=vesafb doesn't work for me ;-/ |
| 02:26.48 | itchi | Mark_Iron: vga=vesafb ?? |
| 02:26.55 | litage | thanks Wyzard and abrotman |
| 02:27.06 | Wyzard | rpc: *What* might be done on a hardware level? |
| 02:27.10 | Mark_Iron | itchi: I have to try again ;-) |
| 02:27.15 | markybob | litage: http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/display/5/index.htm |
| 02:27.16 | itchi | Mark_Iron: Should it not be vga? |
| 02:27.28 | Mark_Iron | no idea itchi ;-/ |
| 02:27.35 | itchi | Mark_Iron: It's about these boot options? |
| 02:27.41 | Mark_Iron | yes |
| 02:27.42 | rpc | Wyzard the utlization of the other core.. if someone said disable SMP kernel on X2 then there was a reason right? |
| 02:27.44 | litage | thanks Mark_Iron |
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| 02:27.48 | litage | oops |
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| 02:27.51 | itchi | Mark_Iron: ok, use vga=xxx |
| 02:27.51 | litage | thanks markybob |
| 02:27.56 | Mark_Iron | ;-) litage |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | markybob: you could have said .. "they make great cars" or something :) |
| 02:28.17 | Mark_Iron | wait a second .. I have to reboot |
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| 02:28.34 | abrotman | markybob: "You gotta hand it to the germans .. they make great cars" :) |
| 02:28.35 | markybob | abrotman: not as fun ;) sorry |
| 02:28.37 | GhostlyDeath_ | WHenever I go to gnome-power-manager and choose Hibernate it just locks itself up but I did get suspend working |
| 02:28.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | How would I set up my /etc/powersave/sleep to get hibernation working? |
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| 02:29.03 | Wyzard | rpc: That's like saying an automobile can have eight axles but you only need to install four wheels on it, because the other two axles will automatically use themselves |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | markybob: bonus points if know the movie |
| 02:29.15 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: That should work, 'out of the box'. Hmm, but about this trouble, try to look in the logs |
| 02:29.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: what's wrong with that? :) |
| 02:29.24 | psbase | I have files in my command prompt listing, which appears as purple. What does it mean? |
| 02:29.30 | GhostlyDeath_ | itchi: dmesg? |
| 02:29.41 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: For example |
| 02:29.43 | jetscreamer | purple are like mp3's here |
| 02:29.43 | markybob | abrotman: not a clue |
| 02:29.50 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: Is it decent stuff you have? |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | markybob: Top Secret! |
| 02:29.54 | jetscreamer | and/or a/v |
| 02:29.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | You mean a good PC? |
| 02:30.02 | Wyzard | rpc: A dual-core chip is just two processors stamped onto a single piece of silicon -- it's utilized in exactly the same way as an ordinary SMP system with two separate physical processor chips |
| 02:30.09 | psbase | The filename "IMG_0654.jpg" is in purple : -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 221010 Apr 5 04:12 IMG_0654.jpg |
| 02:30.14 | jetscreamer | a/v |
| 02:30.19 | jetscreamer | audio/visual |
| 02:30.20 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: New or some old stuff |
| 02:30.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | New |
| 02:30.32 | markybob | abrotman: never seen it. rent-worthy ? |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | psbase: some of my jpgs are purple too |
| 02:30.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | It's a Gatway MX6960 made around Dec |
| 02:30.38 | GhostlyDeath_ | bought in Feb |
| 02:30.42 | abrotman | markybob: if you can find it ... |
| 02:30.46 | psbase | jetscreamer: ahh ok got it. I though they had a problem ;) thanx man |
| 02:30.47 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: okay, look in the logs why it fail. Look in /var/log/ |
| 02:30.56 | liable_ | my 3945 card wont come up as 'running' in ifconfig since this morning, and my atheros pcmcia card is switching constantly between running and not all of a sudden.. no kernel messages or anything. debug ideas? |
| 02:31.00 | Wyzard | rpc: The kernel runs a scheduler for each core, and the scheduler is what causes things to run on that core |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | markybob: if you like comedies like airplane or naked gun .. yeah .. it's old .. val kilmer's first 'big' movie |
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| 02:31.10 | Wyzard | rpc: A non-SMP kernel only runs one scheduler and therefore can only utilize one core |
| 02:31.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | itchi: what would it under in there? |
| 02:31.25 | itchi | liable_: I not yet have that trouble right now iwth my ipw3945 |
| 02:31.41 | markybob | abrotman: airplane's one of the greatest movies ever made, in my opinion :) |
| 02:31.46 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: I dunno your problem, you too, so just look in the diff logs to try to find somethings |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | psbase: echo $LS_COLORS |
| 02:31.58 | abrotman | markybob: you might enjoy it then |
| 02:32.05 | jetscreamer | stock kernels are smp enabled |
| 02:32.05 | itchi | liable_: Did you somethings 'special' ? |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | markybob: http://imdb.com/title/tt0088286/ |
| 02:32.17 | psbase | abrotman: nice =) helps a lot. thanx =) |
| 02:32.17 | jetscreamer | at least etch&> |
| 02:32.22 | markybob | abrotman: aye |
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| 02:33.05 | liable_ | itchi: its my atheros card doing it to, and it only just started doing it, i am suspecting the mobo possibly, but i get no errors in logs |
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| 02:33.41 | abrotman | psbase: that said .. some of my jpgs are green .. some are purple |
| 02:33.43 | itchi | liable_: The only thing i can say, is that my ipw3945 still works |
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| 02:33.58 | itchi | liable_: I dunno about these atheros stuff :-s |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | ah .. maybe because they are +x |
| 02:34.09 | richcollins | Why would apt-get install rsync try to install nginx? |
| 02:34.11 | richcollins | http://pastie.caboo.se/51842 |
| 02:34.11 | GhostlyDeath_ | well it's not acpid because all I see is "BAT1 chnaged OMG!!!11" |
| 02:34.39 | richcollins | I previously installed nginx |
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| 02:35.53 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: is it 'changed' ? |
| 02:36.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | It only says stuff abour batteries |
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| 02:36.27 | GhostlyDeath_ | about every few seconds or so |
| 02:36.27 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: Look good to the date and time |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | are you running on battery power ? |
| 02:36.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | no |
| 02:36.58 | liable_ | !ping |
| 02:36.59 | dpkg | pong |
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| 02:37.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | AC Power (Battery is at 60%, 40 minutes until recharge) |
| 02:37.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | charged* |
| 02:37.21 | liable_ | itchi: thats not very bloody helpfull :P |
| 02:37.36 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: I mean, look in the logs to the right date and time when that trouble had happend. But one way, i wonder a bit that you get some errors. I guess the error is still flying in the cyberspace |
| 02:37.38 | GhostlyDeath_ | wow CPU0 is lazy it's only running at 1Ghz while CPU1 is running at 1.83Ghz |
| 02:37.43 | itchi | liable_: Yeah i know :-s |
| 02:38.13 | itchi | liable_: Maybe unload the module and reload it with debuging info?? |
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| 02:40.01 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: Look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq |
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| 02:40.17 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: /sys/devices/system/cpu/* |
| 02:41.07 | GhostlyDeath_ | Can't open |
| 02:41.25 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: As root user |
| 02:41.32 | GhostlyDeath_ | am doingf |
| 02:41.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | but failed |
| 02:41.39 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: i.e. cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq |
| 02:41.39 | GhostlyDeath_ | with gedit anyway |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | liable: load the modules with debug=1 .. maybe ? |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | not all modules take it |
| 02:42.20 | itchi | If i try, i loose my connection :-p |
| 02:42.29 | itchi | So i leave it to liable_ :-p |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | you can find out with modinfo |
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| 02:43.20 | itchi | abrotman: debug:debug output mask (int) ? |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | ye s.. like that |
| 02:43.37 | itchi | okay :-) |
| 02:43.48 | abrotman | mine has ignore_disconnect:Don't report lost link to the network layer |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | which .. might be fun |
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| 02:44.21 | Mark_Iron | itchi: vga=vesafb doesn't work |
| 02:44.30 | itchi | abrotman: That's the output http://pastebin.ca/424918 |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | gah .. pastebin! |
| 02:44.44 | itchi | Mark_Iron: Complain he? Tell he you that the mode is not supported? |
| 02:45.09 | Mark_Iron | itchi: I cann't see such message |
| 02:45.27 | itchi | Mark_Iron: Then it 'work' |
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| 02:45.46 | Reiser_x | hi |
| 02:45.49 | itchi | Mark_Iron: Or at least, your param is take in consideration. Maybe is the problem somewhere on another place |
| 02:45.53 | Reiser_x | problems with apache2 and php5 |
| 02:46.04 | itchi | Reiser_x: Like always |
| 02:46.17 | Mark_Iron | itchi: not .. Im geting still the same error message from xm create -c vmconfig.vmx (in log files) |
| 02:46.19 | Reiser_x | all installed, but i can't do /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 02:46.33 | abrotman | the apache2 logs and error logs are helpful |
| 02:46.33 | Reiser_x | itchi: is the same problem |
| 02:46.44 | Reiser_x | there is nothing in log |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | in either log ? |
| 02:46.56 | Mark_Iron | anway thank you very MUCH itchi AND bzed ;-) |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | there is more than one log |
| 02:46.57 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 02:47.02 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 02:47.12 | itchi | Reiser_x: What mean you with "i can't do /etc/init.d/apache2 start" |
| 02:47.14 | itchi | ? |
| 02:47.15 | Reiser_x | error.log and error.log.1 |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | what happens when you /etc/init.d/apache2/ start ? |
| 02:47.24 | Reiser_x | nothing |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | ps aux | grep apache |
| 02:47.33 | Reiser_x | the apache2 no start |
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| 02:47.54 | Reiser_x | i do ps -e | grep apache2 |
| 02:48.03 | Reiser_x | there no process apache2 |
| 02:48.20 | bzed | Mark_Iron: you're welcome |
| 02:48.29 | itchi | arg, that do me remember that i not have fix my dir listing trouble on my webserver |
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| 02:49.02 | Reiser_x | any idea? |
| 02:49.05 | GhostlyDeath_ | What's 75% of 1.83Ghz? |
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| 02:49.31 | itchi | GhostlyDeath_: 1.83/75 |
| 02:49.32 | liable_ | dangnammit |
| 02:49.32 | itchi | liable_: And? |
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| 02:49.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | ok... my sound server shuts down on standby and doesn't come back, |
| 02:49.59 | itchi | liable_: Some info? |
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| 02:52.59 | itchi | wtf, an noby corrected my |
| 02:53.23 | itchi | gggr, i need to sleep :-p |
| 02:53.29 | liable_ | itchi: no debug or any errors whatsoever |
| 02:53.53 | itchi | liable_: On the ipw3945 side only? Did you try on that other stuff? |
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| 02:56.15 | chuck | hello, does anyone here know of a way to get the apple ibook G4 airport card working in powerpc debian? |
| 02:56.30 | dondelelcaro | chuck: yes; you need the firmware and a recent kernel. |
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| 02:56.59 | abrotman | etch's kernel and the bcm43xx-fwcutter should work |
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| 02:57.17 | itchi | What's a "airport card" ? |
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| 02:57.31 | abrotman | itchi: broadcom crap that apple sells in their laptops |
| 02:57.32 | jetscreamer | a brand i think |
| 02:57.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:57.41 | itchi | hhhmm |
| 02:57.49 | chuck | itchi: yea it's what apple calls their wireless line |
| 02:57.49 | dondelelcaro | it's actually not just broadcom; orinoco cards are "airport" cards too |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | the old ones are orinoco .. the newer ones are broadcom IIRC |
| 02:58.09 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 02:58.24 | abrotman | perhaps .. more accurately .. airport are orinoco .. airport extreme are broadcom |
| 02:58.28 | chuck | I think that the ones for Macbook are atheros |
| 02:58.43 | abrotman | though i'm not really 100% certain |
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| 03:00.45 | dondelelcaro | I don't have a macbook, so I've no idea |
| 03:01.07 | abrotman | my mini has a broadcom |
| 03:01.09 | itchi | I have some GNU/LinuxBooks, but ... :-p |
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| 03:02.17 | {Nathan} | I tried installing kooldock, but when I run it I get kooldock: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by kooldock) |
| 03:02.20 | {Nathan} | Any ideas? |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | it wasn't a debian package was it ? |
| 03:02.45 | {Nathan} | yes, it was |
| 03:02.52 | mfrisch | no there is \\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 03:03.10 | {Nathan} | mfrisch: ? |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | there's no package named kooldock in debian |
| 03:03.19 | itchi | {Nathan}: From where got you that .deb? |
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| 03:03.30 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: it's not in Debian, so it's not really a Debian package... you need to rebuild it against libraries which are actually in Debian. |
| 03:03.37 | {Nathan} | itchi: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=187558&package_id=221178 |
| 03:03.41 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: mmk, I'll try |
| 03:03.42 | mfrisch | there is another new panel dock thingy for kde |
| 03:04.19 | dondelelcaro | esp. since we've not yet shipped glibc 2.4 |
| 03:04.49 | dondelelcaro | (because it breaks multiple architectures...) |
| 03:05.10 | chuck | here's something: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 03:05.14 | chuck | but how do i use it? |
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| 03:07.04 | dondelelcaro | chuck: that's the module, but it's already in the kernel if you're using etch. |
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| 03:07.27 | holycow | hi guys |
| 03:07.43 | holycow | what is the maximum addressable amount of ram a 32 bit kernel can access? |
| 03:07.57 | dondelelcaro | holycow: somewhere in the 64G range, iirc. possibly larger. |
| 03:08.17 | holycow | really? why did i think 4 gigs or so? |
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| 03:08.32 | dondelelcaro | holycow: that's the maximum for a process |
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| 03:08.56 | holycow | *hmm* oh okay. |
| 03:09.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: May i ask; how old are you? |
| 03:09.09 | dondelelcaro | itchi: around 28 |
| 03:09.09 | holycow | i wonder how that affects vmware |
| 03:09.10 | mfrisch | holycow: maybe without largemem support ? |
| 03:09.11 | holycow | time to google more |
| 03:09.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: So young and so much knowledges :-p |
| 03:09.34 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm 26 |
| 03:09.42 | holycow | mfrisch, possibly ... odd i guess i'm mixing it up with other information |
| 03:09.47 | dondelelcaro | holycow: yeah; you need bigmem to do more than 4G; I've no idea whether it works with vmware though |
| 03:10.20 | Reiser_x | how many times should be appear apache in process list when i use ps -e ? |
| 03:10.30 | dondelelcaro | Reiser_x: depends |
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| 03:10.37 | Reiser_x | 11 times? |
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| 03:10.41 | dondelelcaro | it should show up at least once |
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| 03:11.09 | itchi | Reiser_x: There's an option in the config about it too, btw |
| 03:11.13 | dondelelcaro | and the rest depends on how many children it has started, how it was started, etc. |
| 03:11.15 | \amethyst | Reiser_x: between StartServers and MaxClients |
| 03:11.21 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 03:11.36 | Reiser_x | i have problems to run php4 scripts |
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| 03:12.17 | itchi | Reiser_x: Which are ? |
| 03:12.18 | Reiser_x | in my httpd.conf AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 03:12.49 | Reiser_x | but script no run, the browser ask me what application i want to use to open it |
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| 03:13.11 | itchi | Reiser_x: The apache's php module is been installed? |
| 03:13.17 | \amethyst | Reiser_x: does grep php4 /etc/apache/modules.conf print anything? |
| 03:13.38 | Reiser_x | libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 03:14.35 | itchi | Reiser_x: yup |
| 03:14.44 | itchi | Reiser_x: dpkg -l foo |
| 03:15.00 | itchi | Reiser_x: Is it? |
| 03:15.05 | Reiser_x | wait |
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| 03:15.56 | Reiser_x | http://www.pastebin.ca/424944 |
| 03:16.31 | itchi | Reiser_x: It's not yet loaded |
| 03:16.37 | itchi | Reiser_x: Maybe, not yet installed |
| 03:16.39 | Reiser_x | so? |
| 03:16.57 | Reiser_x | i can see installed in synaptic |
| 03:17.19 | \amethyst | Reiser_x: does grep php4 /etc/apache/modules.conf print anything? |
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| 03:17.42 | Reiser_x | http://www.pastebin.ca/424944 |
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| 03:17.49 | Reiser_x | print that http://www.pastebin.ca/424944 |
| 03:17.49 | itchi | Reiser_x: Does dpkg -l libapache-mod-php4 give "ii bla bla bla" |
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| 03:18.10 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How to I give a certain user access to a command he doesn't already have access to? |
| 03:18.15 | python_ | anyone hear have a slapd server running in debian? |
| 03:18.26 | Reiser_x | ii libapache-mod- 4.4.2-1build1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
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| 03:18.47 | itchi | Reiser_x: Did you install that the debian way? |
| 03:18.48 | cafuego | 4.4.2? |
| 03:18.59 | \amethyst | Reiser_x: try apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4 |
| 03:18.59 | cafuego | Sarge has 4.3.10 and Etch ahs 4.4.6 |
| 03:19.04 | \amethyst | Reiser_x: then restart apache |
| 03:19.31 | Reiser_x | ?? |
| 03:19.43 | python_ | i am trying to get one going but i get Starting OpenLDAP: (db4.2_recover not found), slapd. |
| 03:19.43 | python_ | error when i start it, and ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 03:19.43 | python_ | when i try ldapadd, ( with the correct password ) |
| 03:20.01 | itchi | Reiser_x: As root user; do; apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4 i guess |
| 03:20.29 | Reiser_x | ok |
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| 03:20.39 | \amethyst | Reiser_x: that enables the php4 module, because the modules.conf you pasted doesn't have PHP4 enables |
| 03:20.40 | itchi | Reiser_x: See 'man apache-modconf' btw :-p |
| 03:20.42 | \amethyst | s/s$/d/ |
| 03:21.04 | cafuego | Reiser_x: Where did you get those php packages anyway? |
| 03:21.41 | Reiser_x | using synaptic |
| 03:21.55 | cafuego | Which debian version? |
| 03:21.55 | python_ | i take that as no one uses slapd? |
| 03:22.11 | Reiser_x | i am using Ubuntu |
| 03:22.16 | cafuego | python_: I do, but ldapadd is not my friend. Are you binding with the correct dn? |
| 03:22.17 | itchi | Reiser_x: Are you been running Debian? |
| 03:22.19 | mfrisch | we know |
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| 03:23.01 | python_ | yup, the dn that i configured when i dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:23.02 | itchi | Reiser_x: hhhm, ask on #ubuntu Maybe are there know issues about it. They may know about his stuff, not us |
| 03:23.14 | python_ | http://www.debuntu.org/ldap-server-and-linux-ldap-clients |
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| 03:23.21 | python_ | is the tutorial i am trying to follow |
| 03:23.33 | mfrisch | debuntu!! |
| 03:23.36 | cafuego | python_: I've set up phpldapadmin for myself |
| 03:24.17 | mfrisch | there is lam too |
| 03:25.14 | python_ | i was hoping to not have to install a webserver on this box |
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| 03:26.57 | Drstroker | can anyone show me a link to learn how to install a network card driver ... right now the card seems to run off the old driver .. but for somereason after a period of time will cease the internet connection and i have to do a ./networking force-restart |
| 03:27.27 | GhostlyDeath | o_O WINE IS INFECTED BY A WINDOWS VIRUS!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| 03:28.21 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: The question may be: 'why are you using wine at all?' |
| 03:28.33 | cafuego | python_: ldapadd -x -W -D "cn=user,dc=domain,dc=com" -f <file> |
| 03:28.35 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: more of reconisis from microsoft |
| 03:28.39 | cafuego | python_: seems to work ok here. |
| 03:29.25 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: For windows emulation? |
| 03:29.33 | python_ | cafuego; ldapadd -x -W -D "cn=admin,dc=python,dc=local" -f ~/people_group.ldif is the exact command i typed in |
| 03:29.48 | python_ | then typed my password in |
| 03:30.09 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: No, look to alternative stuff |
| 03:30.15 | cafuego | python_: well... |
| 03:30.19 | python_ | which is a password i use for almost all my testing stuff |
| 03:30.32 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Windows emulation that supports DirectDraw without WINE? |
| 03:30.51 | cafuego | offhand I'd hazard the ldap server thinks your dn or password are not correct. |
| 03:31.12 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: I dunno |
| 03:31.33 | python_ | i do get an error when i start slapd, Starting OpenLDAP: (db4.2_recover not found), slapd. |
| 03:31.37 | Drstroker | how can i tell which network card driver is loaded for eth0 |
| 03:31.38 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: For which stuff use you wine? |
| 03:31.47 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Games |
| 03:31.48 | python_ | i don't know if that has anything to do with it? |
| 03:31.58 | GhostlyDeath | Starcraft... Diablo II... etc. |
| 03:32.10 | GhostlyDeath | But WINE doesn't have DirectDraw support |
| 03:32.12 | GhostlyDeath | an older version did |
| 03:32.17 | cafuego | python_: Possibly, just install libdb4.2 and its tools. |
| 03:32.18 | GhostlyDeath | know what one had it so I can downgrade? |
| 03:32.22 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: you want cedega |
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| 03:32.37 | GhostlyDeath | !cedega |
| 03:32.38 | dpkg | cedega is probably the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 03:32.45 | Drstroker | comm check |
| 03:32.58 | cafuego | db4.2-util |
| 03:33.24 | Drstroker | .... hmm can anyone see this? |
| 03:33.29 | python_ | yes |
| 03:33.40 | python_ | drstoker we can see you |
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| 03:33.54 | Drstroker | lol thanks for a second i didn't know if people could see my text, sorry and thanks |
| 03:34.12 | python_ | no problem |
| 03:35.29 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I have to build it or can I get it off Synaptics? |
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| 03:36.38 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: What? |
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| 03:36.52 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: The cedega stuff? |
| 03:37.01 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 03:37.09 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: cedega is usually gotten through cvs or payed for |
| 03:37.09 | python_ | thankyou cafuego: i was able to get it working, |
| 03:37.11 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Nah, that's some other comercial stuff |
| 03:37.50 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: I had heard that: pay the first year, then keep the software but you not get anymore updates for it |
| 03:38.35 | cafuego | python_: cool... did the db4,2-util install sort it out? |
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| 03:39.37 | python_ | well it actuly was when i dpkg-reconfigure i had an error exiting out of it that i didnt see befor, i had to remove a backup directory, but i appreciate the help and ideas |
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| 03:42.03 | xjkx | for an unknown reason fluxbox is not reading my ~/.fluxbox/startup :/ |
| 03:43.03 | markybob | you created it while root and now your user cant open it? |
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| 03:43.40 | xjkx | uhmm i will check |
| 03:44.00 | \amethyst | also check the output of fluxbox |
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| 03:44.16 | xjkx | -rw-r--r-- 1 xjkx xjkx 8 Apr 4 16:01 startup |
| 03:44.21 | \amethyst | there might be a syntax error |
| 03:44.37 | xjkx | is there a syntax on there? I put only idesk & |
| 03:44.40 | xjkx | on startup |
| 03:45.01 | itchi | xjkx: It should be executable |
| 03:45.02 | xjkx | and it doesnt run idesk :> |
| 03:45.19 | xjkx | o.o |
| 03:45.22 | xjkx | will try |
| 03:45.44 | itchi | Fluxbox rules! |
| 03:45.46 | itchi | :-p |
| 03:46.02 | xjkx | for sure ! |
| 03:46.13 | xjkx | itchi, -rwxr--r-- sounds better? |
| 03:46.38 | itchi | xjkx: Here it is -rwxr-xr-x but i may tell, try first before changing it |
| 03:46.52 | xjkx | lets see |
| 03:46.56 | xjkx | :restart: |
| 03:47.13 | markybob | wtf is he restarting for? |
| 03:47.26 | itchi | markybob: Because he not make use of screen :-) |
| 03:47.37 | itchi | I guess a X restart too |
| 03:49.23 | itchi | nah, that's a sad reboot it looks :-s |
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| 03:51.22 | GreaseMonkey | sorry to bother you again, ##linux is fscking hopeless |
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| 03:52.52 | GreaseMonkey | ok, i have a big problem: my HD install won't boot correctly, complaining that it can't access /dev/null |
| 03:54.32 | GreaseMonkey | i'm using knoppix off CD, which it can pick up all my files, but tomsrtbt can't find them all. however, /dev/null looks chmodded 666 on both knoppix-on-CD and tomsrtbt, but I'd installed knoppix on my HDD. |
| 03:55.08 | GreaseMonkey | oh, and btw, what's the imagic flag for? |
| 03:55.15 | itchi | GreaseMonkey: Ask #knoppix |
| 03:57.08 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: why arent you using a debian installer? |
| 03:57.23 | GreaseMonkey | um, this is general linux stuff, and #knoppix is not only dormant, but I believe they don't deal with HD installs, whereas this chan has 646 users. |
| 03:57.24 | GhostlyDeath | It possible for a firewall that I installed to block certain modules from loading? |
| 03:57.44 | markybob | yes. blacklist the modules |
| 03:57.55 | GreaseMonkey | well, i didn't notice that there was a debian installer (i read the cheatsheet which has a manual install) |
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| 03:58.33 | GreaseMonkey | itchi: knoppix is debian-based |
| 03:58.37 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:58.44 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: which means shit |
| 03:58.57 | markybob | !debian-based |
| 03:58.58 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:59.09 | itchi | GreaseMonkey: The knoppix is mostly used as a "demo", or a rescue cd. I realy recommend you to install Debian on your box. Then the real fun begin. Honesty, that knoppix sux for some things |
| 03:59.23 | ansong | how can i kill ipv6 from a running server w/o downtime? |
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| 03:59.46 | itchi | ansong: Unload the ipv6 module?? |
| 03:59.47 | peterS | ansong: you can take down ipv6 interfaces but you cannot actually remove the ipv6 kernel module without a reboot |
| 03:59.57 | peterS | itchi: have you tried that? it can't be done |
| 04:00.09 | GreaseMonkey | um, the problem is, I can't just randomly d/l a distro; I have 5GB bandwidth a month shared with 3 other people and I REALLY want that to last |
| 04:00.20 | GreaseMonkey | actually... |
| 04:00.21 | itchi | peterS: no, we still not yet run ipv6. So no exerpience with it :-s |
| 04:00.48 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: i'm not sure why "we dont support knoppix" doesnt seem to be a good enough answer for you in #debian |
| 04:01.23 | GreaseMonkey | ah, here we go, Debian 3.1 |
| 04:01.31 | GreaseMonkey | damn, not that process over again... |
| 04:01.47 | itchi | peterS: So you realy need a reboot? Not a network restart? |
| 04:02.05 | ansong | well here's my real problem: for some reason, apache is listening on ipv6 only. here's the output to netstat -plant | grep 83 (my httpd port): "tcp6 0 0 :::83 :::* LISTEN 5932/apache2" |
| 04:02.31 | peterS | itchi: correct. the networking guys in kernel land decided it would slow down the ipv6 stack too much to always be keeping track of reference counts so it would know when it's safe to rmmod. so they disabled the capability - once you've loaded it, it can't be unloaded |
| 04:02.56 | itchi | hhhmm, interesting |
| 04:03.00 | ansong | peterS: that's just great, it's on by default anymore also |
| 04:03.37 | GreaseMonkey | ansong: any others services listening on IPv4? |
| 04:03.45 | ansong | not on that port |
| 04:03.59 | peterS | ansong: so anyway - find the net-pf-10 alias in /etc/modprobe.d/whatever_the_file_is and change it to 'alias net-pf-10 off'. then next time you reboot you get no v6 |
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| 04:05.46 | ansong | peterS: i appreciate it. unfortunately it's pretty important that it stay running for now. |
| 04:06.18 | peterS | ansong: *nod*. you can remove the addresses and take down the one interface (sit0 or whatever) that is specific to ipv6, though, if you wish |
| 04:06.48 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I booted from a LiveCD and I tried to copy my present MBR by: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/mnt/floppy/sda1.img count=1 bs=512 , now i want to know if i could always recover my mbr by the reversin if with of ? thanks (my previous attempts to install debian over an xp+vista - same hdd - was futile and i need to be able to recover my mbr |
| 04:06.52 | peterS | ansong: 'ip' from the iproute package lets you do stuff like that pretty easily. (once you figure out how its command line works, which is not that hard) |
| 04:07.09 | GhostlyDeath | In Synaptic package manager, how do I remove downloaded packageses? |
| 04:07.29 | K_Dallas | Q2: What happened to the debian-gui-installer chan on freenode? |
| 04:07.32 | peterS | K_Dallas: should work, if you haven't run 'grub-install' since then. (i.e., you haven't upgraded your grub package) |
| 04:07.46 | GhostlyDeath | One's that are temporary |
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| 04:08.07 | K_Dallas | peterS, i dont have linux installed yet, it was a livecd without adding anything extra |
| 04:08.19 | ansong | peterS: i probably just don't understand well enough, but ifconfig appears to show that eth1 has both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses. i can't take eth1 down at the moment as i'm ssh'd into it. |
| 04:08.21 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: There's an option in the menu |
| 04:08.45 | peterS | ansong: that's why you use 'ip' to remove individual IP addresses from an interface. I haven't tried this for the ipv6 addresses but it ought to work |
| 04:09.23 | itchi | heh, was there not an option for that in that Synaptic thingy?? |
| 04:09.53 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Anyway 'apt-get clean' |
| 04:10.03 | GhostlyDeath | Removing the cache freed up about 2GB |
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| 04:10.50 | smacnay | Where is the kernel .config located for precompiled .deb kernels? |
| 04:10.58 | peterS | smacnay: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 04:11.01 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: You know, some time you check if you car have enought oil and such ... |
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| 04:11.17 | smacnay | peterS: thanks |
| 04:11.50 | peterS | wow ... between woody (config-2.4.18-bf2.4) and etch (config-2.6.18-4-k7), the kernel config file grew from 16984 to 70797 bytes |
| 04:12.08 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 04:12.14 | peterS | amazing what a difference 0.2 of a kernel version can make |
| 04:12.15 | GhostlyDeath | something is messing up SDL! |
| 04:12.45 | itchi | peterS: Hope that it is some good work, that are be done :-) |
| 04:12.50 | smacnay | can I pass on a 'no dma' option for specific drives, in grub? |
| 04:12.58 | itchi | arg, sad joke :-p |
| 04:13.00 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/424978 |
| 04:13.37 | ansong | peterS: nevermind, i don't even understand the problem now. apache serves different pages on different ports. the page i'm trying to reach is on port 83. other pages are on ports 80, 81, etc. they show the exact same kind of output to the netstat command (that they're listening on ipv6) but i can get to them. >-( |
| 04:13.59 | GhostlyDeath | think reinstalling ALSA and SDL will work? |
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| 04:14.55 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: No, that's a kde trouble |
| 04:14.57 | ansong | the weird thing is that i can't think of anything that has changed. the system's been running for weeks now with no problems. i could get to the page i need on port 83 as recent as yesterday. |
| 04:14.57 | GreaseMonkey | smacnay: idunno about grub. i think you could use /etc/fstab but that applies to any form of booting unless you hack up /etc/init.d/rc |
| 04:15.38 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: But im not yet sure (had forget to add it ^) |
| 04:15.58 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: there is no KDE at all |
| 04:16.00 | smacnay | GreaseMonkey: I won't be hacking anything... maybe I need to grab a virgin kernel, edit the current /boot/config-mykernel, and make a new one. |
| 04:16.36 | peterS | ansong: yeah that's odd. what version of apache? and what do you have in the apache config file for listening to those ports? 'Port' lines or 'Listen' lines? |
| 04:17.25 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Are you running arts? |
| 04:17.45 | GhostlyDeath | arts? |
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| 04:17.56 | GhostlyDeath | It's installed |
| 04:18.08 | peterS | 'aRts' is a KDE-oriented sound server |
| 04:18.11 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: See /msg dpkg arts |
| 04:18.16 | itchi | oeps |
| 04:18.38 | peterS | it is said to suck, but I forget whether it's supposed to suck worse than esound, or vice versa |
| 04:18.48 | ansong | peterS: i'm running etch: apache2 2.2.3-4, in /etc/apache2/ports.conf i've got "Listen 80\nListen 81\n..." |
| 04:18.58 | psbase | hey guys, I'd like to apt-get libxerces27. according to my apt-cache search, only libxerces 25 and 26 is available. what should I do? Do I have wrong urls in my sources.list ? |
| 04:19.04 | GhostlyDeath | bah thanks itchi, damn you arts |
| 04:19.30 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Was you not yet it?? :-) |
| 04:19.38 | GhostlyDeath | Was I not yet it? |
| 04:19.45 | peterS | ansong: *nod* - I guess you can blame me (read the top of /usr/share/doc/apache2/changelog.Debian.gz). but that's a standard sort of configuration, nothing too odd there. I suppose you have NameVirtualHosts set up? |
| 04:19.53 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: 'A happy customer' ;-) |
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| 04:20.17 | GhostlyDeath | Contradiction since Debian GNU/Linux is free! |
| 04:20.20 | ansong | peterS: there's a bit of a story there |
| 04:20.20 | GhostlyDeath | o_O |
| 04:20.41 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: That was always been |
| 04:21.00 | GhostlyDeath | What's a good easy to setup Firewall and Virus Scanner? |
| 04:21.24 | peterS | psbase: libxerces27 is in etch/sid but not in sarge (debian 3.1) |
| 04:21.33 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: For firewalling, nothings rules more as iptable. Why do you need a virus scanner? |
| 04:21.52 | psbase | peterS: I am using debian-3.1-HE. What should I do now? |
| 04:22.13 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Sorry, 'iptables' |
| 04:22.20 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: My sister's windows PC is fucked up so I'm helping her reinstall it |
| 04:22.27 | peterS | psbase: you can get xerces27 from backports.org |
| 04:22.42 | GhostlyDeath | sorry about the language |
| 04:22.47 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: f* shit and install Debian on it, your troubles is gone |
| 04:22.49 | peterS | (I just verified that http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/xerces27/ exists) |
| 04:23.20 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Man, your on the way of reinstalling at least every 6 months :-) |
| 04:23.57 | GhostlyDeath | She doesn't understand linux and plus there isn't any full Microsoft Live Messenger for Linux that I know of |
| 04:23.58 | GhostlyDeath | one that acts exactly the same as the latest MSN |
| 04:23.58 | GhostlyDeath | Messenger |
| 04:24.08 | psbase | peterS: How do I get the deb file installed? I could never figure it out. I though it is only part of the debian packaging system and must be installed from the web |
| 04:24.12 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: how do I use iptables? |
| 04:24.24 | ansong | peterS: i _used_ to have NameVirtualHosts set up, until one night i got a wild hair and decided to make some "improvements." i thought i was doing well by making copies of the config files before i changed anything. but once my improvements failed to work, i couldn't get apache running again with the prior configs. commenting out the NameVirtualHost" lines in my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default got things running again. luckily nothing i'm using |
| 04:24.24 | ansong | really requires it |
| 04:24.46 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Read info about iptables first. See #iptables |
| 04:24.59 | GhostlyDeath | clamav-daemon do real-time scanning? |
| 04:25.03 | ansong | obviously, i had missed something |
| 04:25.03 | peterS | psbase: two ways: (1) follow the directions at backports.org to add the right line to /etc/apt/sources.list and so on and so forth, then you can pull down packages with 'aptitude install' or whatever. (2) much simpler for a one-shot deal: download .deb files and install them with 'dpkg --unpack xxxx.deb; aptitude -f install' |
| 04:25.09 | GhostlyDeath | but in a way where it doesn't kill the proc? |
| 04:25.28 | ansong | GhostlyDeath: why do you need realtime scanning |
| 04:25.36 | psbase | peterS: thanx a lot =) |
| 04:25.39 | peterS | psbase: (2a) 'dpkg -i xxxx.deb' but that doesn't pull in package dependencies automatically, it just whines at you if a package needs something else you don't already have |
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| 04:26.20 | GhostlyDeath | the iptables tutorial is too damn big |
| 04:26.30 | GhostlyDeath | is there an automatic setup like a software port blocker, etc.? |
| 04:26.41 | GhostlyDeath | and CTMP blocker? |
| 04:27.02 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Maybe want you a easy GUI tool like 'firestarter' |
| 04:27.14 | ansong | GhostlyDeath: try guarddog or shorewall |
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| 04:27.40 | GhostlyDeath | There gnome applets and frontends? |
| 04:27.41 | yixuan | hello guys |
| 04:28.04 | GhostlyDeath | yeha firestarter has one |
| 04:28.10 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: firestarter is 'for' gnome |
| 04:28.11 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: 'apt-cache search gnome firewall' will point you to one |
| 04:28.25 | GhostlyDeath | uh oh\ |
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| 04:28.40 | GhostlyDeath | I can set it up for eth2 and eth0 right? |
| 04:28.40 | yixuan | I want to ignore warning message in character console, how can I do it? |
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| 04:28.55 | peterS | yixuan: what sort of warning messages? |
| 04:28.56 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: no problem, just config the stuff |
| 04:29.08 | GhostlyDeath | o_O since when did I have ppp0? |
| 04:29.33 | GhostlyDeath | wait... if I have ppp0 does that mean my modem works? |
| 04:29.51 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Not realy |
| 04:29.52 | yixuan | hello peterS, when I run modprobe ipmi_si 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null |
| 04:30.06 | yixuan | I can see message like ' |
| 04:30.08 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: At least, it is detected by the system. I guess you need to config it now |
| 04:30.23 | yixuan | ipmi_si: Trying 'kcs' at I/O port 0xca2 |
| 04:31.02 | GhostlyDeath | but for firestarter, Both eth2 and eth0 are used as internet connections |
| 04:31.23 | Drstroker | how can i tell which network card driver is loaded for eth0 |
| 04:31.43 | peterS | yixuan: see the 'kernel.printk' line in /etc/sysctl.conf. note if you change that file, run 'sysctl -p' to reload it |
| 04:32.20 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: No, you need to select which device is for the LAN and who's for the WAN, if you have more than one card. |
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| 04:32.42 | peterS | Drstroker: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver |
| 04:33.01 | peterS | Drstroker: (only works on recent 2.6 kernels though) |
| 04:33.18 | GhostlyDeath | It will start with gnome right? |
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| 04:33.34 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: If it is in that startup thingy of gnome, then yes |
| 04:34.10 | Drstroker | peterS: my /sys directory is empty ... |
| 04:34.18 | ansong | GhostlyDeath: i would imagine it starts when your network interfaces are brought up |
| 04:34.24 | Drstroker | also i'm running 2.4 |
| 04:34.32 | ansong | surely it wouldn't wait until gnome loads |
| 04:34.43 | peterS | Drstroker: right, I don't know how to determine this information in kernel 2.4. you can probably figure it out with 'lsmod' and 'dmesg'. |
| 04:34.46 | yixuan | Thanks very much, peterS. I add kernel.printk=0, it can work now.... :-) |
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| 04:35.41 | peterS | yixuan: kernel.printk wants 4 separate numbers. you might not want them all to be 0. it is for determining when to send log messages to the console and when to send them to a log file and so forth |
| 04:35.52 | GreaseMonkey | Drstroker: my /sys directory is empty, too |
| 04:36.13 | itchi | GreaseMonkey: You miss a line in /etc/fstab ?? |
| 04:36.16 | ansong | peterS: the network driver listing rocks |
| 04:36.18 | psbase | I just downloaded and installed mtaserver (a game running as dedicated server). I was wondering, where is the best place to put such applications? /opt ? |
| 04:36.29 | GreaseMonkey | i'm fine now |
| 04:36.36 | GreaseMonkey | i'm not even sure why there's a /sys directory, everything's in /boot /etc /var /sbin /usr/sbin |
| 04:36.36 | peterS | ansong: amazing stuff you can find in /sys sometimes. though some of that will go away with kernel 2.6.20, unfortunately |
| 04:37.02 | ansong | peterS: don't just tease me...why would things change in 2.6.20? |
| 04:37.04 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: /sys is a kernel information filesystem something like /proc, only available on 2.6 kernels |
| 04:37.11 | GreaseMonkey | oh ok |
| 04:37.38 | peterS | ansong: the kernel maintainers have decided that certain of those symlinks in /sys are not really needed, so they will remove them. 2.6.20 has a config option to remove or keep them, presumably later kernels will just remove them unconditionally. |
| 04:38.16 | itchi | Was there not a line to add in the /etc/fstab for that /sys ? I not have that line with a 2.6.18 kernel. But i thought of ... |
| 04:38.19 | GreaseMonkey | psbase: ii think the standards are: app goes in /usr/bin or /usr/games while data goes in /usr/share/[appname] or /usr/share/games/[appname] |
| 04:38.22 | peterS | ansong: the /sys/class/net/eth0/device symlink is one of those, I believe |
| 04:38.47 | psbase | GreaseMonkey: I see. thanx =) |
| 04:38.50 | ansong | peterS: needed for what, i wonder. having that information is handy to have, perhaps it is for security purposes? |
| 04:38.58 | peterS | itchi: /sys and /proc are mounted automatically without need for representation in /etc/fstab. see /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 04:39.14 | ansong | "having that information is handy to have" lol, i'm tired |
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| 04:39.44 | itchi | hhhmm ... # Only mount sysfs if it is supported (kernel >= 2.6) ... |
| 04:39.52 | jetscreamer | then why is /proc included in fstab by the installer? legacy? |
| 04:39.56 | peterS | ansong: well, those of us working on cdrkit are annoyed, we were planning to use those links to help with locking for CD writers, so your CD burn process wouldn't blow up if you were running gnome |
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| 04:40.05 | peterS | jetscreamer: correct. I think on new installs it is not included |
| 04:40.11 | yixuan | peterS, however, I just want to ignore message when I run my application which I have written it. How can I do it? |
| 04:40.43 | jetscreamer | peterS: i just did an etch nightly the other day, still there |
| 04:40.45 | yixuan | do i have any other methods to ignore it? except set the sysctl.conf |
| 04:40.55 | ansong | peterS: one more reason not to run gnome (kidding!) |
| 04:41.05 | jetscreamer | /sys does get loaded automagically, it's not in there |
| 04:41.15 | peterS | yixuan: kernel.printk lets you specify which levels of log messages are sent to the console and which levels are not. if your application loads a module which only sends messages at high levels, you can set the cutoff level below that. '4 4 1 7' seems reasonable. |
| 04:42.23 | peterS | ansong: it's not gnome per se, but 'hald', which is a daemon that monitors various system interfaces looking for changes in mountable media, like trying to notice every few seconds whether you've inserted a CD into your drive. unfortunately, if it probes your CD drive while you're burning... you lose |
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| 04:43.30 | peterS | ansong: we can prevent it from doing this, by locking the CD device while the burn is going on. but finding the correct device to lock, since we might be using a _different_ access method, is a bit hard. those links in /sys were the easiest way to do it, but we noticed that 2.6.20 has that option now, so grrrr |
| 04:44.47 | peterS | jetscreamer: note also /proc/bus/usb and /dev/pts don't need to be in fstab either. and a handful of others, like /lib/init/rw |
| 04:44.50 | ansong | peterS: i'm not a programmer, but wouldn't you just lock the device that the user specifies? |
| 04:45.28 | ansong | peterS: hope you don't mind stupid questions :-) |
| 04:45.37 | peterS | ansong: yes, but there are multiple devices that represent your CD-ROM drive. we want the user to specify the same /dev/scd0 that is used by 'hald', but some GUI burner frontend programs specify an older method which uses /dev/sg0 instead |
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| 04:46.07 | jetscreamer | peterS: yeh, and that lib/init/rw is kinda new? i've not seen it before a week ago or so when i type 'mount' |
| 04:46.14 | peterS | ansong: we even asked the linux kernel maintainers to please allow locking to work automatically between /dev/scd0 and /dev/sg0 if they actually point to the same drive. they refused, saying it's not really practical and it's our problem to just Not Do That |
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| 04:46.15 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 04:46.54 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's a ram-based filesystem that stores read/write data before / is mounted read/write, early in the boot process. yes, it's fairly new. |
| 04:47.41 | GhostlyDeath | Computer cooling is flawed in computer case colder than room scenarios |
| 04:48.12 | GhostlyDeath | woo yeah, Both Proc and HDD are at 93F! |
| 04:49.14 | peterS | ansong: believe me, I'd like nothing better than to just _stop_ supporting /dev/sg access to the CD writer, for kernel 2.6 (it's necessary for most older kernels). but there are the GUI frontend programs to consider. they need to be fixed, really. |
| 04:49.49 | ansong | peterS: funny you should mention scd0. i'd never really seen it before about a week or two ago when vmware-player began complaining about not being able to mount a cdrom drive. the config file for vmware says to use /dev/hda but the vmware error mentions the sdc0 device |
| 04:50.47 | peterS | ansong: hda is on the IDE bus, scd0 is a SCSI CD-ROM drive. newer kernels use the libata subsystem to pretend that IDE bus devices are actually SCSI. |
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| 04:53.12 | GhostlyDeath | Wait, when linux starts it says "fan" where it loads all the ACPI stuff |
| 04:53.17 | GhostlyDeath | that mean I can see my fan temp? |
| 04:53.28 | peterS | fan speed, more likely |
| 04:53.40 | ansong | peterS: so i'm going to want to point vmware to an scd0 device instead of hda. |
| 04:54.02 | peterS | ansong: read /proc/scsi/scsi to see if your CD-ROM drive is supposed to be scsi |
| 04:54.39 | jetscreamer | and maybe control the speed |
| 04:55.12 | ansong | peterS: i guess so: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 lists my cd-rw |
| 04:55.21 | peterS | ansong: that's it, then |
| 04:56.12 | ansong | peterS: i'm going to keep my eyes open for you when i come in here. i've picked up all kinds of info |
| 04:57.05 | peterS | ansong: wave to the north, I'm right up I-35 |
| 04:59.30 | ansong | oh yeah, you're the guy from wichita? |
| 04:59.37 | peterS | maybe (: |
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| 05:01.12 | streuner | ansong: why do you ask? |
| 05:01.41 | peterS | streuner: he lives not too far south of me. at least his IP is registered to a city less than 200km away |
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| 05:02.09 | ansong | streuner: because i'm a sworn enemy of kansans |
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| 05:02.30 | streuner | well, 200 km is not a short distance in .de, but in the states its pretty different :-) |
| 05:02.30 | ansong | (i married one) |
| 05:02.48 | peterS | streuner: yeah, when our country is 5000 km across, 200 doesn't seem like too much (: |
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| 05:03.33 | peterS | ansong: oh really. I think I only know one person living in ok right now (in enid), he seems reasonable enough, for an air force instructor pilot |
| 05:04.07 | ansong | peterS: i used to drive underneath those training jets on the way to school @ stillwater |
| 05:04.24 | ansong | tell him they need to fly higher |
| 05:05.08 | peterS | ok I'll pass that along |
| 05:05.27 | itchi | Where do i have define the wallpaper in fluxbox? I have forget that location :-s |
| 05:05.53 | streuner | itchi: well, i use config of the theme itselfs |
| 05:06.26 | itchi | doh |
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| 05:07.23 | streuner | itchi: http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/45165/48269/ |
| 05:07.31 | ansong | bedtime for me. it's been nice guys. i appreciate the help |
| 05:07.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how can I do if I want my laptop to automatically chose & connect to on of the wireless networks that I usually connect? |
| 05:07.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | one* |
| 05:08.35 | itchi | streuner: Nah, it's not in the theme that i had define it :-ç |
| 05:09.06 | streuner | itchi: usually in xsession then, but read fluxbox.sf.net - they have docs about |
| 05:10.01 | itchi | streuner: Yup yup, but i have define that somewhere in a unusual location, gggrr |
| 05:10.45 | streuner | itchi: sounds like a theme then :-) - did you read README about? |
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| 05:12.24 | drako | hey |
| 05:12.34 | drako | can play movies on xine with .srt subtitles? |
| 05:12.56 | streuner | look at the docs of xine website |
| 05:13.18 | itchi | streuner: Nah, it's not in a theme. It's somewhere in a config file, not yet in the right one |
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| 05:13.40 | streuner | http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq |
| 05:13.53 | itchi | streuner: At least, i know i did it not the 'right' way, That's why i want to fix it too |
| 05:14.10 | streuner | itchi: did you install those or its just a package? |
| 05:14.22 | drako | streuner, it doesnt say anything about srt just .sub |
| 05:14.28 | streuner | well |
| 05:14.32 | itchi | streuner: Bah, it's the 'daft' style i had tweaked |
| 05:14.58 | itchi | streuner: It's 'dafted' now :-p |
| 05:15.23 | streuner | itchi: hm, fluxbox.sf.net has docs about too (theme modification) |
| 05:18.12 | streuner | drako: well, it seems srt is supported in xine (according to some results of google) |
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| 05:20.44 | drako | streuner, but how, i can't find the way |
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| 05:22.25 | streuner | drako: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:22.38 | drako | i think is working now |
| 05:22.43 | drako | i deleted .xine and tried again |
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| 05:25.45 | Crypticfortune | so, im running gnome but it seems like my qt apps (mostly i care about skype, but just for confirmation also konquerer) are refusing to use uim for input. anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 05:30.26 | itchi | streuner: bah, still not have find it haha. I wonder where i should been have define that :-p |
| 05:30.52 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 05:31.05 | streuner | itchi: how about to remove and purge fluxbox and re-install that package new... |
| 05:31.07 | GhostlyDeath | in Galeon, popup ads kept popping up in new tabs |
| 05:31.41 | GreaseMonkey | um, why don't you have a popup blocker? |
| 05:31.48 | itchi | streuner: It's somewhere in a .x file that i had define that i thought |
| 05:32.02 | GreaseMonkey | firefox 2 does that but it also has a popup blocker |
| 05:32.04 | streuner | itchi: xsession or xinitrc then |
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| 05:32.35 | itchi | streuner: Nah, not have these files :-s |
| 05:32.59 | itchi | streuner: I know that it is somewhere in my ~ :-) |
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| 05:33.31 | itchi | streuner: I guess i gona start a search query in my home :-) |
| 05:33.54 | streuner | itchi: should be easy to search for that string, if you can remember what kind of app you use to set backgrounds... |
| 05:34.26 | itchi | streuner: Yeah, that's the question :-) |
| 05:34.54 | streuner | itchi: most of them ends with '...setbg' |
| 05:34.55 | itchi | streuner: I had setup that badly, at that time ... :-s |
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| 05:35.39 | streuner | itchi: well, the string for the pic. itselfs should be enough as well |
| 05:35.48 | itchi | hhhm, yeah |
| 05:36.10 | itchi | 'bubbles.jpg' :-) |
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| 05:40.10 | holycow | guys ... i was just watching my load go up to 100 ... say 12 or more |
| 05:40.14 | holycow | for no appearent reason |
| 05:40.21 | holycow | but the ram and cpu use remain constant |
| 05:40.26 | holycow | any tips for debugging this? |
| 05:40.36 | streuner | well, install Debian? ;-) |
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| 05:40.50 | holycow | -_- |
| 05:41.02 | itchi | streuner: Is that been right? for i in `find .`; do grep 'bubbles.jpg' $i; done |
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| 05:41.09 | holycow | this was on the debian server ... very odd |
| 05:41.22 | holycow | how can load go to nearly 100% but cpu not kick in? |
| 05:41.24 | streuner | why Past Tense? |
| 05:41.48 | holycow | it just went down |
| 05:42.04 | holycow | but i've seen this do it several times over the last couple of days |
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| 05:43.35 | macky | hi |
| 05:43.36 | macky | i am macky |
| 05:43.39 | macky | i am japanese man |
| 05:43.43 | macky | i know how to hack |
| 05:43.47 | macky | and im not scared to hack |
| 05:44.00 | macky | so watch ur back |
| 05:44.00 | holycow | does macky hacky? |
| 05:44.00 | macky | or u might be next |
| 05:44.00 | macky | Yup |
| 05:44.00 | macky | i am japanese student |
| 05:44.03 | macky | studying in Boston |
| 05:44.05 | macky | M.I.T. |
| 05:44.05 | holycow | lol |
| 05:44.08 | itchi | macky: Do you speak english? |
| 05:44.09 | macky | I will fuck up ur network |
| 05:44.10 | macky | Yes |
| 05:44.14 | macky | enrish not too god |
| 05:44.16 | macky | But i speak |
| 05:44.24 | macky | im from japan... |
| 05:44.25 | streuner | !ops macky is trolling |
| 05:44.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: macky is trolling |
| 05:44.27 | itchi | macky: First hack you u troubles |
| 05:44.28 | macky | i speak jappy... |
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| 05:44.39 | streuner | thanks |
| 05:44.39 | holycow | heh |
| 05:44.58 | streuner | <macky> I will fuck up ur network |
| 05:45.25 | itchi | macky will be happy :-p |
| 05:45.39 | streuner | holycow: we need more infos... |
| 05:46.24 | holycow | no problemo ... okay 2.4 ghz amd cpu, 2 gig of ram |
| 05:46.48 | streuner | holycow: so you have no idea what's the sources of the high load? |
| 05:46.57 | holycow | actually it seems i can activate load overload situation when untarring 1.7 gig files ... |
| 05:47.04 | holycow | but that shouldn't be possible considering system specs |
| 05:47.24 | holycow | but i've seen it during the day while running other things like vmware server |
| 05:47.44 | holycow | load is at 12 now |
| 05:48.43 | holycow | i've just never seen any cpu intensive processes spike the load up to 12 before on a machine with 2 gigs of ram and a good cpu |
| 05:49.41 | dondelelcaro | that's nothing |
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| 05:50.08 | holycow | so its basically saying 12 processes in queue right? is it abnormal to run into such a situation? |
| 05:50.26 | holycow | i would of expected it say when a cpu is pegged and can't really chew threw th eprocess queue |
| 05:50.29 | dondelelcaro | we've managed to get rietz (quad processor opteron 275 with 16G of memory) well into the hundreds of load |
| 05:50.45 | holycow | oh heh |
| 05:51.00 | dondelelcaro | holycow: it usually happens when you have lots of processes trying to do IO |
| 05:51.26 | dondelelcaro | (in this case, it was something like 500 exim processes) |
| 05:51.28 | GreaseMonkey | holycow! whathappenedhere? |
| 05:51.31 | holycow | thats interesting, it might explain why vmware might trigger this ... but .tar.gz extract? |
| 05:52.22 | dondelelcaro | holycow: well, looking at the ps axfu output and seeing D and R processes will tell you what is going on |
| 05:53.05 | GhostlyDeath | When My computer starts, how do make all this pointless text print out? |
| 05:54.03 | streuner | /var/log/dmesg.log? |
| 05:54.17 | holycow | ah both good choice ... noting that down |
| 05:54.31 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:55.15 | GhostlyDeath | no i mean like Message of the Day |
| 05:55.28 | dimir | Moin! |
| 05:55.53 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: /etc/motd |
| 05:56.07 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: see /etc/issue for what controls it |
| 05:56.36 | GhostlyDeath | issue says "Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l" |
| 05:56.44 | dondelelcaro | (and /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh if you were wondering how it was generated) |
| 05:56.54 | dondelelcaro | yes; that's the top bit, the end bit is in motd.tail |
| 05:58.25 | GhostlyDeath | How do I color the text? |
| 05:58.25 | dondelelcaro | it's shell dependent, so don't do it |
| 05:58.26 | dondelelcaro | well, rather, it's terminal dependent |
| 05:58.26 | GhostlyDeath | The booting lines support color |
| 05:58.45 | dondelelcaro | yes, but motd is displayed at login on any terminal |
| 06:00.26 | GhostlyDeath | I see |
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| 06:00.36 | GhostlyDeath | There remote MOTD? |
| 06:00.37 | holycow | dondelelcaro, danke. thats helpfull |
| 06:00.51 | GhostlyDeath | if I were to make a network and have all the PCs use the network MOTD? |
| 06:00.55 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: no; the same one is displayed. |
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| 06:03.11 | GhostlyDeath | How do I install flash for the web browsers? |
| 06:03.43 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: apt-cache search flash |
| 06:03.50 | holycow | dondelelcaro, lets say when you list ps axfu, and you don't see a bazillion spawned processes ... and all listed say d and r processes occupy a reasonable amount of ram or cpu allocation ... |
| 06:04.33 | holycow | ... yet load is at ... lets see now well holding about 12.x anyway ... it would make sense that the one processes is doing a lot of io and maybe the cpu doesn't have enough cache |
| 06:05.00 | holycow | or rather ... would it make sense that low cache or similar might affect the ability of the system to chrunch through stacked up processes? |
| 06:05.02 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Look on the Debian's wiki ;-) There's some info |
| 06:05.22 | holycow | conversly, with that command, does one track down runaway processes say like your exim example of 500 processes? |
| 06:06.08 | holycow | or rather that might be a typical way that a server load would really hit the roof and you would go ' okay we have a gazillion processes, lets killem'? |
| 06:07.19 | dondelelcaro | holycow: any processes in D and R increment the load by 1 |
| 06:07.59 | dondelelcaro | holycow: load is not a particularly usefull metric of system utilization though; it really means X many processes want to run right now |
| 06:08.44 | holycow | aha! okay. it's just a queue and a such yeah ... okay. |
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| 06:09.24 | GreaseMonkey | afk food |
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| 06:16.30 | Crypticfortune | fixed my earlier problem. solution: export QT_IM_MODULE="uim" |
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| 06:19.28 | garotosopa | Hi. I copied my root partition (hda1) to another one (hdb1) using cp -a /mnt/hda1 /mnt/hb1 through the install CD. I'll use the current slave disc as master and I want to install grub on its MBR but it says "/dev/hdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.". How should I do? |
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| 06:20.00 | itchi | streuner: It was in the ~/.fluxbox/init gggrrr |
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| 06:29.35 | fireba11 | hm ..still 62 bugs to go for etch .. this is taking a lot longer than expected :-( |
| 06:30.48 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html is more accurate than wahtever you're looking at |
| 06:31.16 | foo | PAM(webuser): User not known to the underlying authentication module. - I'm getting this, but I defined AuthUserFile /etc/AuthUserFile so I can use it with ftpasswd... any ideas? (proftpd |
| 06:31.19 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro : was looking at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 06:31.26 | evilgeek | i was actually shocked as hell when sarge was released. i suspect i'll be shocked (just not as shocked) when etch is done. |
| 06:31.45 | evilgeek | (partly because sarge was released on the same day that apple switched to x86, but yeah.) |
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| 06:32.35 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: well, that's wrong |
| 06:32.50 | GreaseMonkey | what, will etch be released on the same day that MS switch to ARM? |
| 06:32.54 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: it seems so .. any idea why there's so much difference ? |
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| 06:36.03 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: because the release-critical page doesn't use any of the versioning information |
| 06:36.14 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: it's showing you all sorts of RC bugs, not just those that affect the next release |
| 06:37.02 | dondelelcaro | it will be fixed eventually; Sesse just has to decide that it's ready and make the change |
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| 06:39.05 | x-Dieu | hi, I would like install suspend to disk on my desktop PC, it gives howto for debian etch? |
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| 06:39.53 | GreaseMonkey | ?!?! |
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| 06:41.25 | streuner | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php and even more detailed |
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| 06:51.18 | xjkx | does anyone knows a desktop enverioment that is light, to run on fluxbox? as i heard fluxbox is a windowmanager only |
| 06:51.51 | streuner | !de |
| 06:51.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 06:51.54 | streuner | oh |
| 06:52.16 | streuner | xjkx: okay, do you know what desktop enverioment means? |
| 06:52.22 | FuzzyB | where would i find base-config for etch on amd64? |
| 06:52.46 | xjkx | streuner, i guess i do, why did you tell me that "german" thing lol, i am not from germany |
| 06:53.13 | streuner | xjkx: read that first http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment |
| 06:53.15 | wols | !suspend |
| 06:53.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 06:53.39 | streuner | xjkx: 'DE' stand usually for Desktop_environment... |
| 06:53.40 | xjkx | ok |
| 06:53.47 | wols | x-Dieu: no special howto required for them imho. nothing debian specific tho |
| 06:54.10 | wols | xjkx: xfce or windowmaker perhaps. depending on your tastes |
| 06:54.39 | x-Dieu | ok, thank you wols :) |
| 06:55.18 | wols | hmmm.. is supend2 part of the debian kernel? |
| 06:55.26 | wols | I had to patch my kernel but then I use a custom one |
| 06:56.05 | xjkx | wols, thanks i know them already, streuner i read the site you told me and i am sure i know whats a de now, but fluxbox isn't still a de |
| 06:57.02 | streuner | xjkx: basically all apps in a DE should be the same, GNOME uses GTK, KDE QT |
| 06:57.28 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: ah .. thanks for the info |
| 06:57.47 | xjkx | streuner, yes, but these ones are heavy |
| 06:57.50 | streuner | xjkx: fluxbox as WM is just a window-manager, you could use everything (its the same for GNOME or KDE as well) |
| 06:59.35 | xjkx | i see |
| 07:00.19 | itchi | streuner: That work 'out of the box', that supend thingy |
| 07:00.34 | xjkx | then i change the question, whats the simples de, with less things and the less heavy of all |
| 07:00.41 | xjkx | simplest* |
| 07:01.06 | itchi | xjkx: Make not use of a DE at all |
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| 07:01.09 | streuner | xjkx: install some basic packages of the DE itself |
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| 07:01.41 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know how to configure kxdocker without the configuration tool that isn't available? |
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| 07:01.45 | streuner | xjkx: gnome-session, konqueror and what you need then... |
| 07:01.47 | haiger | how can i remove a package using apt-get |
| 07:02.01 | PanDaMan | apt-get remove <package-name> |
| 07:02.03 | streuner | haiger: man apt-get, man dpkg |
| 07:02.14 | itchi | haiger: See also /msg dpkg grounding |
| 07:02.22 | xjkx | streuner, is gnome session that menu on up screen? |
| 07:02.29 | GreaseMonkey | um, i rooted my apt-get during a list update, what should i do? |
| 07:02.35 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 07:02.40 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
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| 07:03.01 | xjkx | besides its optional :> |
| 07:03.05 | wols | xjkx: gnome is a full suite of a shitton of programs. also called a "DE" |
| 07:03.06 | NefariousPrior | !info kxdocker |
| 07:03.10 | dpkg | kxdocker: (innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.35-2.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 568 kB |
| 07:03.17 | wols | GreaseMonkey: rooted? |
| 07:03.23 | GreaseMonkey | screwed up |
| 07:03.23 | streuner | xjkx: it installs some basic packages as well... |
| 07:03.24 | xjkx | wols, yea but i wont download whole gnome |
| 07:03.24 | GreaseMonkey | just a mo |
| 07:03.31 | xjkx | uhmm |
| 07:03.43 | streuner | xjkx: which depends on them... |
| 07:03.43 | wols | GreaseMonkey: screwed up how? |
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| 07:04.13 | streuner | !install gnome |
| 07:04.13 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 07:04.16 | xjkx | if metacity and fluxbox are windowmanagers, and i am using fluxbox now, it means i can use metacity with no de right? is it as good as fluxbox? :> |
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| 07:04.28 | GreaseMonkey | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room - E: Error occured while processing python-simpy (NewVersion1) - E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp2.de.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages - E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 07:04.44 | streuner | !dynamic mmap |
| 07:04.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 07:04.47 | PanDaMan | the last update i heard was etch release on april 2nd... has there been any other proposed release dates? |
| 07:04.49 | wols | GreaseMonkey: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 07:04.53 | itchi | xjkx: metacity is the Gnome wm |
| 07:04.58 | streuner | wols: you're slow today |
| 07:04.59 | wols | streuner: cheater. you typed a lot less! |
| 07:05.13 | xjkx | itchi, yes, but i believe i can run it without gnome |
| 07:05.23 | Coweater | PanDaMan: did you hear that on april 1st? |
| 07:05.37 | itchi | xjkx: No, i doubt, cause of the bunch depencie he probably have |
| 07:05.43 | wols | PanDaMan: considering the date beforethat was december and it took them til mid march for another release date: wait until june/july for announcements :) |
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| 07:05.54 | PanDaMan | no quite a while ago, but wasn't through the official debian site/groups |
| 07:05.54 | xjkx | uhmm |
| 07:06.03 | wols | coffee? do you want to poison me? |
| 07:06.04 | xjkx | going to some tests thank you all |
| 07:06.35 | PanDaMan | N-14 = 19 Mar 2007: 20 RC bugs. |
| 07:06.35 | PanDaMan | N-7 = 26 Mar 2007: ~0 RC bugs. |
| 07:06.35 | PanDaMan | N = 2 Apr 2007: 0 RC bugs. |
| 07:06.57 | Coweater | yeah, but there aren't 0 RC bugs |
| 07:06.59 | wols | PanDaMan: ew know that fairy tale. no need for pasting |
| 07:07.15 | Coweater | so etch will still release when it's ready |
| 07:07.28 | wols | as it always did |
| 07:07.30 | DocPlatypus | okay, so we missed our target |
| 07:07.40 | DocPlatypus | we won't miss it by as much as Microsoft does |
| 07:07.41 | PanDaMan | will the testing release automatically update to the release distro? |
| 07:07.47 | wols | gosh we did? what will we do now? Debian will DIIIIIIEEEE! |
| 07:07.55 | Coweater | the target is 0 RC bugs, there is no date |
| 07:07.56 | wols | PanDaMan: no |
| 07:08.04 | wols | testing is testing, etch is etch |
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| 07:08.12 | wols | just at this point in time the coincide |
| 07:08.30 | wols | if you want to stay on etch replace "testing" with "etch" in your sources.list |
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| 07:08.42 | wols | otherwise you end up with lenny/testing on release of etch |
| 07:08.44 | itchi | DocPlatypus: No, you missed the most importantest rules. There's no dead line, the 'dead line' maybe be when us are happy about the quality of the packages offer |
| 07:09.04 | PanDaMan | true, well i hope things go well and quick, i wouldn't compare debian to any M$ stuff :p. just wanna get a few computers setup and don't wanna have to upgrade anytime soon |
| 07:09.31 | wols | PanDaMan: then use etch |
| 07:09.41 | DocPlatypus | itchi: noted, in a way I'd rather have a bug-free OS even if it's a year late |
| 07:09.59 | DocPlatypus | at the same time, you don't want to let hardware evolution pass you by |
| 07:10.51 | itchi | DocPlatypus: That's a kernel thingy |
| 07:11.04 | PanDaMan | supervisors won't like the idea of a 'testing' release, would have too much explaining to do, especially in the likely event that something goes wrong and someone else checks the systems and finds something to blame |
| 07:11.15 | PanDaMan | unlikely* |
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| 07:22.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:22.58 | dpkg | somebody said qotd167 was <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
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| 07:37.26 | itchi | buahaha |
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| 07:38.29 | berzerka | which client do you guys use to read RSS feeds? |
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| 07:39.07 | itchi | berzerka: I use liferea |
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| 07:42.31 | crm_ | is there anyone awake who feels like talking me through a kernel configuration? |
| 07:43.09 | crm_ | i want to optimise for this old laptop |
| 07:43.11 | cydork | crm_: dont do it. |
| 07:43.18 | crm_ | come on! |
| 07:43.21 | cydork | !gentoosmite crm_ |
| 07:43.52 | crm_ | depends where that 0.2% is dpkg |
| 07:43.52 | itchi | dpkg: You missed that patch, try again :-p |
| 07:44.53 | crm_ | well .. i have to do it at least once more.. the 2.6 kernel is having a panic atm |
| 07:45.10 | cydork | crm_: i really dont think recompiling kerenl is going to improve the performance that much. |
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| 07:45.34 | crm_ | well.. im also looking to get hardware support |
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| 07:45.39 | ma3x | hi is DDR SDRAM = sodimm? |
| 07:45.46 | crm_ | and cydork .. i have almost all of the drivers right |
| 07:46.05 | cydork | crm_: they are modules. |
| 07:46.18 | crm_ | just trying to remove the modules i dont need |
| 07:46.33 | cydork | crm_: which wont be used anyway. |
| 07:46.57 | crm_ | if they are not compiled into the kernel.. but not all have the option to be modules |
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| 07:48.05 | cydork | crm_: well debian kernel has most of the things compiled as modules. and if you still want to go ahead check /msg dpkg make oldconfig and /msg dpkg kernel package. |
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| 07:49.08 | cydork | crm_: but i warn you, custom kernel (which without any requirements) doesn't get much support here. |
| 07:49.19 | crm_ | thats ok |
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| 07:49.42 | crm_ | the guys in #kernel dont talk much =) |
| 07:50.04 | cydork | crm_: just say something about gplv3 :P |
| 07:50.22 | crm_ | what's that? |
| 07:50.41 | crm_ | quick man.. i don't have all day! =) |
| 07:50.53 | GreaseMonkey | that it sucks? |
| 07:51.01 | cydork | crm_: bahh, never mind. that was a poor joke :P |
| 07:51.10 | itchi | crm_: Google about the GPL version 3 |
| 07:51.22 | crm_ | what about it? |
| 07:51.38 | crm_ | fark |
| 07:51.45 | itchi | crm_: Google hate you |
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| 07:51.50 | crm_ | it will take me days to put off reading |
| 07:51.52 | JonJ | Saying: "The kernel should definately go gplv3" should make them talk |
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| 07:52.19 | itchi | crm_: And gona hate you more if you not talk to your friend |
| 07:52.44 | crm_ | i have friends?! |
| 07:53.14 | itchi | crm_: I talk about Google, your best friend ;-) |
| 07:53.37 | crm_ | but google isn't as informative as here |
| 07:53.41 | crm_ | or as current |
| 07:54.04 | itchi | crm_: Just ask the right question |
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| 07:55.08 | lin_ | I'm looking for suggestions for bittorrent and edonkey clients for debian (so i may install them on a freinds xbox-linux running xebian). any suggestions? |
| 07:56.18 | itchi | lin_: I suggest you to ask on #xebian then |
| 07:56.29 | lin_ | err.. sorry |
| 07:56.52 | cydork | itchi: xebian uses standard debian repos right? |
| 07:57.04 | lin_ | yes it does |
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| 07:57.28 | itchi | cydork: I dunno :-) |
| 07:57.42 | cydork | lin_: then you can try rtorrent. but there are many clients available in debian. choose what you want. :) |
| 07:57.54 | cydork | itchi: afaik it does. |
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| 07:59.18 | lin_ | it's been 9 years since i used debian, so was hoping to get an up to date.. magic answer.. i'll try rtorrent to start off with |
| 07:59.27 | lin_ | thanx cydork |
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| 08:00.19 | yang | Are there any good providers of mailing lists (using mailmans), mailman seems to be difficult to setup with exim... |
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| 08:01.45 | cydork | yang: what about majordomo? |
| 08:02.31 | yang | cydork: hm is that in sarge? |
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| 08:03.00 | cydork | !+info majordomo sarge |
| 08:03.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:03.09 | dpkg | Package 'majordomo' does not exist. |
| 08:03.34 | dondelelcaro | ugh. anyone who is still using majordomo should be shot |
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| 08:04.19 | cydork | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 08:04.23 | dondelelcaro | yang: mailman is pretty trivial actually; you just drop entries into the alias file... that's it. |
| 08:05.01 | yang | dondelelcaro: well, I had a pain setting it up with exim, and I dropped the procedure later |
| 08:05.26 | yang | dondelelcaro: these aliases weren't understood by exim |
| 08:05.44 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; pretty much all mailing lists are going to cause the same level of problem, because you have to associate the list addresses with the commands that are actually used to handle the list |
| 08:06.14 | dondelelcaro | yang: did you read the contents of /usr/share/doc/mailman/? |
| 08:06.21 | yang | dondelelcaro: so is there a different approach, using mailman with some other MTA? |
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| 08:07.19 | dondelelcaro | yang: /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.EXIM.gz <-- read and follow the instruction shere. |
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| 08:07.44 | yang | OK, I will give it one more try |
| 08:08.04 | tieTYT2 | hello, the latest version of sort has a -R option but not the version on debian/ubuntu. Can anyone tell me how to get it? |
| 08:08.20 | dondelelcaro | tieTYT2: uh... what does -R do? |
| 08:08.45 | tieTYT2 | --random-sort |
| 08:09.27 | zenbum | yay!! only 15 rc bugs |
| 08:10.19 | dondelelcaro | tieTYT2: just perl -MList::Util=shuffle -ne 'push @foo,$_; END { print shuffle @foo}'; |
| 08:10.34 | praecox | hey guys |
| 08:10.42 | praecox | I know it's little OT here |
| 08:11.02 | praecox | but anyone got a clue what can I do to get PHP4.4 on FastCGI to work on my Debian? |
| 08:11.05 | praecox | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=40944 |
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| 08:12.08 | tieTYT2 | dondelelcaro: ok that's better than nothing. Thanks |
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| 08:12.35 | dondelelcaro | you don't want to use -R in anything because it won't be supported until coreutils is updated |
| 08:13.11 | Guerin | hm, are there 2.4 kernels available for etch? |
| 08:13.24 | tieTYT2 | dondelelcaro: i don't get what that means |
| 08:13.49 | tieTYT2 | i don't know anything about linux or the update process |
| 08:13.52 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: no, as far as I know |
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| 08:14.15 | tieTYT2 | dondelelcaro: how do I pipe a file as input into this? |
| 08:14.17 | dubphil_ | Hello, I want to install File : : Scan : : ClamAV by the debian way perhaps it should be libfile-scan-perl, but it doesn't seems to be this one because my antispam doesn't recognize it. Any idea ? |
| 08:14.21 | dondelelcaro | tieTYT2: you just pipe it in |
| 08:14.31 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: any word on whether it'll work with a 2.4 kernel, or is it all 2.6-dependent? |
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| 08:14.55 | tieTYT2 | dondelelcaro: ah i used cat file | |
| 08:14.57 | cydork | Guerin: what is "it"? |
| 08:15.00 | tieTYT2 | my first thought was to use command < file |
| 08:15.10 | dondelelcaro | tieTYT2: that'll work too |
| 08:15.13 | Guerin | cydork: 2.4 kernel on etch |
| 08:15.35 | dondelelcaro | as will perl ... file; |
| 08:15.37 | tieTYT2 | dondelelcaro: ah, that semicolon at the end was messing things up |
| 08:15.38 | tieTYT2 | thanks a lot |
| 08:15.43 | Guerin | cydork: i have a broken legacy modem i need to support, for which drivers are available only for 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 08:16.00 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, I'm pretty sure 2.4 will still work |
| 08:16.05 | cydork | Guerin: ahh ok |
| 08:16.21 | Guerin | hm, cool |
| 08:16.25 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: we'd have a problem with upgrades if it didn't |
| 08:16.31 | Guerin | i suppose I'll break out the sarge 2.4 kernel |
| 08:17.00 | crm_ | can anyone tell me why i get a WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS has "blacklist" at the start? |
| 08:17.09 | dondelelcaro | I'd test it in a chroot if there was any question, but it should be ok |
| 08:17.12 | crm_ | this was a backports deb package |
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| 08:18.18 | crm_ | ive looked at the file and every line starts with blacklist |
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| 08:19.38 | blenna_unix | i installed kopete within gnome and i can't get sounds from kopete. ideas? |
| 08:20.02 | dondelelcaro | um... yeah... GNU coreutils does not support a -R option... |
| 08:21.04 | itchi | blenna_unix: Start it from the cli and catch the eventual errors |
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| 08:26.56 | blenna_unix | itchiL: "kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found" |
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| 08:31.53 | itchi | blenna_unix: That's not relavant, i think |
| 08:31.57 | hark | run kcontrol, gstreamer-properties and maybe try with ALSA instead of esd or arts as the case may be.. |
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| 08:39.18 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:39.18 | dpkg | hmm... qotd154 is 11:41 < greycat> o/~ BREEZY, BREEZY / GIVE ME THE ANSWER, DUDE! / I INSTALLED IT / AND NOW ALL MY DISKS ARE SCREWED! o/~ (add "lol" to taste) |
| 08:40.17 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:40.22 | Guerin | awesome |
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| 08:42.05 | cydork | heh |
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| 08:46.48 | pvitto | * |
| 08:46.50 | Guerin | well, it works, without udev, which means half of my shit doesn't get loaded |
| 08:47.01 | Guerin | like my network card and usb and stuff |
| 08:47.10 | Guerin | but this is overcomable |
| 08:51.00 | liable | is that even a word? |
| 08:52.00 | wols | it's perfectly cromulent |
| 08:52.07 | hark | !dict overcomable |
| 08:52.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for overcomable |
| 08:54.55 | liable | !ping |
| 08:54.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:55.26 | Guerin | what's the gnome ppp package? |
| 08:55.52 | Coweater | gnome-ppp! |
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| 08:55.59 | Guerin | shock* |
| 08:56.04 | hark | heh |
| 08:56.54 | Guerin | grr, stupid no modem detected |
| 08:56.58 | Guerin | i blame intel |
| 08:56.58 | cafuego_ | horror* |
| 08:57.10 | cafuego_ | Guerin: try detecting the non-stupid modem |
| 08:57.32 | Guerin | unfortunately all I have is a stupid one |
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| 08:57.44 | Guerin | they don't make non-stupid modems in pci |
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| 08:57.59 | Guerin | damn my mother and her lack of proper internet |
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| 09:00.35 | wols | one should never do any tech work except for DLS |
| 09:00.41 | wols | (or other broadband) |
| 09:00.48 | wols | and there only stuff that accepts ethernet |
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| 09:01.31 | Guerin | wols: this is for my mum |
| 09:01.36 | Guerin | it's not work, it's duty |
| 09:04.07 | Guerin | bah, do unresolved symbol errors sometimes strike when building modules with the wrong compiler? |
| 09:04.22 | Guerin | they loaded properly, just depmod -a ain't working |
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| 09:06.27 | wols | Guerin: it's worse. it's unpaid work for no thanks :) |
| 09:08.12 | Guerin | nah, mum gives me thanks |
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| 09:10.35 | Guerin | holy crap, it might be working |
| 09:10.35 | un1xer | Hello! :) |
| 09:10.36 | Mark_Iron | morning un1xer ;o) |
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| 09:21.28 | Guerin | holy fuckpaste, it's actually working |
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| 09:22.47 | Guerintel | MUHAHAHAHA |
| 09:23.06 | Guerintel | well, intel might be evil bastards in some regards |
| 09:23.24 | Guerintel | but their crappy modem driver works as advertised |
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| 09:23.52 | cydork | !pony Guerin |
| 09:27.28 | cydork | hmm thats not right. |
| 09:27.39 | cydork | !sheep Guerin |
| 09:27.40 | xand | is it left? |
| 09:27.42 | xand | ;o |
| 09:27.54 | liable | hah |
| 09:28.15 | GreaseMonkey | OH NOES ITS ONE OF THOSE FROM BLACK SHEEP |
| 09:28.30 | crm_ | oh man .. this is funny |
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| 09:28.48 | crm_ | yall must be laughing to look normal |
| 09:28.59 | GreaseMonkey | next movie: Sheeps on a Plane |
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| 09:31.36 | xand | "Sheep" |
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| 09:36.35 | abchirk | I want to prit a test page with cups...but I get the following error -> Network host 'localhost' is busy; will retry in 25 seconds..." |
| 09:36.46 | abchirk | How can my localhost be busy? |
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| 09:38.09 | asad2005 | I want to access debian server with ssh -X , what packages do i have to install on server (minimum) or would it be possible to use the local linux pc xserver ? |
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| 09:39.10 | itchi | asad2005: Should be already ok |
| 09:39.24 | itchi | asad2005: Is ssh not installed by default? |
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| 09:40.18 | fengor | apt-get install openssh-server for the sshd and on the client machine you need a working xserver i suppose |
| 09:40.24 | asad2005 | itchi, ssh is working but want to use x apps with it |
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| 09:40.57 | itchi | asad2005: Then just install the x app you on your server |
| 09:41.06 | itchi | want* |
| 09:41.19 | busfahrer | Excuse me, is there any de-facto 'standard' source of instructions on how to get stuff done with Debian? i.e. how to set up X11, how to set up a webserver, how to set up NFS, etc pp. (I know this is easy to google, but the 'de-facto' thing is what only real people know about :-)) |
| 09:41.25 | fengor | asad2005: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ssh.html |
| 09:41.30 | BlueParrot | I get "bash: i#: command not found" when I log in as root but can't figure out which startup file the typo is in, is there any easy way to tell ? |
| 09:41.42 | asad2005 | itchi, will my local linux pc xserver start the remote x apps (server does not have xserver installed) |
| 09:41.50 | itchi | busfahrer: Look on the Debian wiki, debian-administration website |
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| 09:42.46 | asad2005 | itchi, i have installed x app on server but doesnot work |
| 09:42.47 | itchi | asad2005: If the required libs are installed, but i guess, these apps you want to run require an x-window |
| 09:43.09 | itchi | asad2005: That's to vague. What happend? |
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| 09:43.42 | itchi | BlueParrot: your ~/.bashrc or bash_profile?? |
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| 09:44.13 | liable | asad2005: you need the x apps on the server you are ssh'ing to, and they can connect to your x server |
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| 09:44.35 | liable | not that i have done it, but thats how vnc works |
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| 09:44.46 | cydork | asad2005: you can use ssh -X |
| 09:44.54 | c00lfon | Hi. I've just upgrade libglu1-xorg libx11-6 libx11-data libx11-dev libxfont1 libxine1 x-window-system-core x11-common xlibs-data xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all and now my opera still segfaults. ;< |
| 09:45.04 | c00lfon | Anyone have that problem on sid/etch? |
| 09:45.41 | wols | c00lfon: ask opera software... |
| 09:45.52 | wols | how can debian troubleshoot it? |
| 09:45.58 | BlueParrot | itchi: nope, nothing in there |
| 09:46.10 | BlueParrot | or , well, nothing like that error that is |
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| 09:46.27 | BlueParrot | Where does bash log its errors ? |
| 09:46.35 | wols | on your screen |
| 09:46.37 | itchi | BlueParrot: There's probably a 'i#' somewhere. I guess a vim trouble :-) |
| 09:46.47 | wols | grep "i#" * |
| 09:47.00 | wols | or rather grep "i#" .* |
| 09:47.15 | wols | my guess: you edit your files in vi? if so, it'S on the first line of a script |
| 09:47.30 | BlueParrot | itchi: oh wait, nvm , just me being dumb |
| 09:47.49 | Debian-X | hey itchi, could u helpme to get a good "Nvidia Twinview mode" howto pls ? |
| 09:48.09 | BlueParrot | was doing su , and then vim .bashrc , which of course opens MY .bashrc and not root's |
| 09:48.26 | itchi | Debian-X: Google can help you about that. I not have any nvidia with twinview :-s |
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| 09:48.53 | itchi | Debian-X: Anyway, look on the TLDP about that xinerama thing |
| 09:48.59 | Debian-X | but but but, i tried google, and got many different settings itchi |
| 09:49.30 | itchi | Debian-X: Look on TLDP, or look on the Debian's wiki |
| 09:49.54 | itchi | Debian-X: But, i thought nvidia has a easy automagic tool to setup that |
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| 09:50.32 | Debian-X | ok itchi, if I'll keep trying. Tnx for the response :) |
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| 09:50.41 | Debian-X | -if* |
| 09:51.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:51.33 | dpkg | from memory, qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
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| 09:58.17 | defcon8 | hello |
| 09:58.23 | defcon8 | is there a scanning tutorial for debian? |
| 09:58.27 | defcon8 | haven't had a scanner before |
| 09:58.31 | wols | !sane |
| 09:58.32 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 09:58.45 | defcon8 | thanks |
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| 10:00.35 | defcon8 | ahh shyte |
| 10:00.38 | defcon8 | not supported |
| 10:00.44 | wols | same here |
| 10:00.56 | wols | maybe try some vmware + unmentionable OS? |
| 10:01.11 | defcon8 | would that work/ |
| 10:01.16 | wols | vmware has usb support iirc |
| 10:01.17 | itchi | defcon8: Sell it on ebay or some similar and buy one that is supported |
| 10:01.20 | wols | dunno about parport |
| 10:01.25 | defcon8 | itchi, just got it on ebay :D |
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| 10:01.31 | wols | heh |
| 10:01.50 | defcon8 | are there no other scanning drivers? |
| 10:01.55 | itchi | defcon8: Try to look if it's compatible, before buying somethings ;-) |
| 10:02.11 | itchi | nada |
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| 10:03.03 | defcon8 | life sucks |
| 10:03.10 | wols | yeah. "linux is all about choices". yeah right.... |
| 10:03.11 | wols | :) |
| 10:03.22 | cydork | defcon8: sucks to be you! :P |
| 10:03.40 | defcon8 | but there must be another driver! |
| 10:03.54 | itchi | How is that called selfs* ? |
| 10:03.57 | itchi | :-p |
| 10:04.49 | Guerin | defcon8: why must there? |
| 10:04.52 | itchi | heh, first time i see oriental chars |
| 10:05.06 | wols | Guerin: cause otherwise he can't use is scanner junk |
| 10:05.12 | defcon8 | yeah |
| 10:05.19 | Guerin | mm |
| 10:05.21 | Guerin | honestly |
| 10:05.21 | wols | the world must always conform to my wishes |
| 10:05.35 | Guerin | it's not THAT hard to find linux-compatible gear |
| 10:05.35 | wols | aren't you the same? |
| 10:05.52 | itchi | hehe |
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| 10:06.12 | defcon8 | this is what I don't get |
| 10:06.13 | GreaseMonkey | gonna go to sleep, oyasumi nasai |
| 10:06.30 | defcon8 | why can't scanners just have a little flash drive where they save the picture they scan and then you can just mount it as a flash drive |
| 10:06.32 | defcon8 | simple stuff |
| 10:06.45 | wols | defcon8: flash memory costs money |
| 10:06.52 | Gnea | flash memory sucks |
| 10:06.56 | defcon8 | wols, 64 megabytes doesn't |
| 10:07.11 | wols | 64mb is far from enough |
| 10:07.20 | Gnea | indeed |
| 10:07.23 | wols | and yes it does: hw makers operate on pennies. not dollars |
| 10:07.25 | Gnea | 8gigs, perhaps |
| 10:07.44 | wols | cydork: too expensive |
| 10:07.47 | defcon8 | wols, well why don't they get a little flash card and sell for more? |
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| 10:07.48 | Gnea | especially at kinkos |
| 10:07.58 | Gnea | wols: not for a copy management store |
| 10:08.00 | cydork | wols: true. true. |
| 10:08.05 | wols | and linux isn't a big enough market. or we'd have linux videocards by now |
| 10:08.07 | liable | sane isnt that hard, even i had a printer that worked with it. |
| 10:08.22 | Guerin | now I just need to get X working |
| 10:08.23 | GreaseMonkey | linux vcards would be a great idea |
| 10:08.26 | GreaseMonkey | anyways, gnight |
| 10:08.28 | wols | Gnea: a kinkos store is a different class of hw |
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| 10:08.57 | wols | Guerin: what are you giving to your mom? debian? |
| 10:09.21 | fengor | hmm printer... reminds me... eanyone here has experince with the ml2010 from samsung? |
| 10:09.23 | Gnea | wols: kinkos has copy machines. copy machines could have usb ports on them. instructions could be mounted next to/on the machine. |
| 10:09.36 | Guerin | wols: yep |
| 10:09.44 | cydork | fengor: checked /msg dpkg printers |
| 10:09.46 | Guerin | wols: she's been running it since some time in 2004 |
| 10:10.07 | fengor | thx cydork |
| 10:10.14 | Gnea | wols: press a button, select destination, select DPI, boom. |
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| 10:11.39 | itchi | gnix: Hoi, as info, us have #debian-nl too ;-) Join it if you want and stay there too :-) |
| 10:11.44 | itchi | arg |
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| 10:12.26 | itchi | Is already in #debian-nl :-p |
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| 10:12.50 | wols | Gnea: true |
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| 10:15.29 | liable | make-kpkg is slower on my dual core than it was on my old pm1.5 |
| 10:15.42 | Guerin | liable: it's the bogons |
| 10:15.44 | wols | do you use -j 2 ? |
| 10:16.11 | liable | Guerin: their black beanies a gumming up the works? |
| 10:16.56 | liable | wols: i dont think kpkg accepts that flag, its got its own weirdness |
| 10:17.20 | cydork | liable: CONCURENCY_LEVEL |
| 10:17.20 | Guerin | liable: heh |
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| 10:17.39 | cydork | bahh s/CONCURENCY_LEVEL/CONCURRENCY_LEVEL/ |
| 10:17.49 | Guerin | liable: a guy at the University of Waikato just got a $100,000 government grant to do a PhD in boganology |
| 10:17.58 | Guerin | liable: no word of a lit |
| 10:18.04 | liable | cydork: yeah, i have tried that, didnt make any difference, but an ordinary compile goes like hell |
| 10:18.37 | liable | Guerin: haha, thats fucking hilarious, firstly because theres a word called boganology |
| 10:18.39 | wols | Guerin: since my kiwi-science is lacking: what is boganology? |
| 10:18.54 | cydork | liable: hmmm strange.. |
| 10:19.08 | wols | liable: distcc. millions of ricers can't be wrong :) |
| 10:19.09 | liable | cydork: i am |
| 10:19.25 | cydork | liable: no doubts :) |
| 10:19.48 | Guerin | liable: he made it up |
| 10:19.59 | liable | hah |
| 10:20.00 | wols | Guerin: is the proposal online? |
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| 10:20.08 | Guerin | wols: a bogan is a black-jean wearing metal-loving white trash person in NZ/Au |
| 10:20.12 | liable | wols: never heard of a bogan? |
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| 10:20.13 | Guerin | wols: nttbomk |
| 10:20.14 | wols | really want to know what he intended to do (except living well...) |
| 10:20.23 | Guerin | he's studying bogan culture |
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| 10:21.16 | Guerin | cultural capital, communual meaning and lexicon, customs, etc |
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| 10:21.16 | wols | sociology just isn't a science :P |
| 10:21.21 | liable | so, hes drinking piss down the pub, while hes on the dole, and getting chicks pregnant? |
| 10:21.30 | wols | worse than economics! :P |
| 10:21.33 | Guerin | wols: he's going to drive his holden kingswood the length and breadth of new zealand with a crate of Lion Red and interview heaps of bogans |
| 10:21.50 | Guerin | wols: this is psychology. |
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| 10:21.59 | wols | bah. same thing :P |
| 10:22.08 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 10:22.23 | Guerin | they're about as similar as automotive engineering and meteorology |
| 10:22.37 | wols | my car gets wet all the time |
| 10:22.41 | wols | people tell me it's rain" |
| 10:23.34 | Guerin | wols: just because something isn't numerically measurable don't make it unscientific |
| 10:24.10 | Guerin | wols: science is about defining your parameters and testing data against them; it's not monopolised by the `hard' sciences by any means |
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| 10:26.16 | FuzzyB | what is drupal? |
| 10:26.31 | itchi | FuzzyB: Some PHP crap |
| 10:26.32 | Guerin | FuzzyB: something you can google |
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| 10:27.05 | wols | it's what erroneously is called a CMS |
| 10:27.06 | FuzzyB | now why would i want to google it when i have such informative answers from such nice people as the likes of you? |
| 10:27.31 | hark | !lazy |
| 10:27.31 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 10:27.43 | FuzzyB | too bad that's not true |
| 10:28.22 | hark | heh, yeah |
| 10:28.34 | crm__ | 676 members dpkg |
| 10:28.41 | wols | FuzzyB: nobody said we'd tell the truth either |
| 10:29.02 | crm__ | i wouldn't be concerned about kicking a few =) |
| 10:29.16 | crm__ | even for sport |
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| 10:29.32 | hark | we'll start with you? |
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| 10:30.00 | crm__ | =) |
| 10:30.10 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.33 | crm__ | wider poof |
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| 10:30.49 | rootest | hi all! |
| 10:30.54 | crm__ | y0 |
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| 10:31.47 | rootest | who are made a jigdo-templates? |
| 10:32.11 | rootest | from iso-images? |
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| 10:33.51 | rootest | who are alive? |
| 10:34.02 | itchi | rootest: Only you |
| 10:34.10 | rootest | who are made a jigdo-templates from iso-images? |
| 10:34.20 | crm__ | shall we sacrifice him to the debian gods? |
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| 10:34.59 | liable | rootest: that question doesnt really make sense, rephrase it |
| 10:35.31 | rootest | I need to do a jigdo-template, who is know, how to do it? |
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| 10:36.19 | liable | you need to make one? |
| 10:36.38 | rootest | I tried jigdo-file, but I can't to make a workable template |
| 10:36.51 | rootest | liable, yes |
| 10:37.22 | liable | rootest: have you actually looked at a working one? |
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| 10:38.19 | liable | time for a new kernel |
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| 10:38.57 | rootest | 2.6.17 |
| 10:39.28 | rootest | liable, please rephrase your question, I don't understand |
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| 10:40.12 | gelsen | Hello, I have a PPPoE over ATM connection. When my internet connection drops down I have to reboot my comp, to reconnect, what can be the cause? |
| 10:40.38 | itchi | rootest: < liable> rootest: have you actually looked at a working one? |
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| 10:41.21 | itchi | rootest: ... a working jigdo template |
| 10:41.35 | rootest | yes |
| 10:41.38 | rootest | Debian |
| 10:41.46 | rootest | for example |
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| 10:42.36 | wols | gelsen: man pon |
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| 10:43.11 | gelsen | i will read it, thanks |
| 10:43.20 | rootest | I run jigdo-lite, enter .jigdo filename, scan a dir, where my old files, after it, enter a mirror, and jigdo downloads needed files, and count md5sum |
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| 10:45.24 | Debian-X | Problem=> glxinfo: command not found, any suggestions? Tnx |
| 10:46.17 | cydork | Debian-X: install mesautils? /msg dpkg search |
| 10:46.34 | Debian-X | ok i'll try cydork |
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| 10:47.08 | Debian-X | wow cool, u rock cydork. Thanks again! |
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| 10:52.10 | gelsen | wols: I get the err: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem' |
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| 10:58.17 | vchrizz | hi |
| 10:58.39 | vchrizz | ive got a problem with dns and dont know where to ask; the parent servers report a wrong/old A-record for nameservers and i dont know how to change that; my authorative nameservers report the right A-record... anybody could help me? |
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| 11:02.05 | xand | vchrizz: maybe you need to wait for the change to propagate? |
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| 11:03.25 | vchrizz | xand, i updated last two months ago or so... today i edited the zonefile and updated again... |
| 11:03.28 | ikick221 | for all porn talk, link sharing & movie talk, visit: #porn-sharez, For all sex talk, #too-sexy!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:03.44 | CaT[tm] | sorry. it's too sexy for me already |
| 11:03.49 | vchrizz | !kick ikick221 |
| 11:03.50 | cydork | !ops ikick221 is spamming |
| 11:03.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: ikick221 is spamming |
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| 11:04.43 | ikick221 | for all porn talk, link sharing & movie talk, visit: #porn-sharez, For all sex talk, #too-sexy!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:04.50 | ikick221 | it is good |
| 11:05.00 | ikick221 | for all porn talk, link sharing & movie talk, visit: #porn-sharez, For all general talk, #too-sexy!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:05.05 | xand | ikick221: fuck off |
| 11:05.09 | CaT[tm] | fscking australians. obviously they're way too sex starved. |
| 11:05.17 | xand | ha |
| 11:05.18 | cydork | yay! |
| 11:05.22 | RichiH | cydork: thanks |
| 11:05.22 | wols | if his channels are on freenode: kline |
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| 11:06.23 | cydork | RichiH: np :) |
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| 11:06.37 | CaT[tm] | meanie |
| 11:06.45 | Harzilein | if i want porn i just turn to cheggit |
| 11:06.53 | Harzilein | and they don't need to advertize their channel |
| 11:07.02 | CaT[tm] | harz: quality supplier of the finest goats? |
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| 11:07.15 | Harzilein | CaT[tm]: no, empornium-fork |
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| 11:07.57 | Harzilein | of course there is also lesbian gnu/linux if you want pics ;) |
| 11:08.08 | Harzilein | the one with porn-get ;) |
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| 11:08.46 | crm_ | hrm |
| 11:08.52 | xipietotec | http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f6/Lesbian7mc.png |
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| 11:11.14 | darsie | Hi! can someone verify that gpg key ADB11277 "Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" has fingerprint 7EA3 91D7 2477 203B 58C0 4FBC B5D0 C804 ADB1 1277. Thx. |
| 11:11.41 | Guerin | darsie: /topic |
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| 11:13.10 | JonLin_ | !qotd0 |
| 11:13.10 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 11:13.32 | JonLin_ | heh |
| 11:13.36 | Guerin | heh |
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| 11:14.28 | tarzeau | www.happypenguin.org dead? |
| 11:15.17 | Guerin | tarzeau: HTTP request sent; waiting for response. |
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| 11:22.41 | fireba11 | tarzeau: yup, it's dead |
| 11:23.22 | liable | stupid fucking ati cant even release drivers for stable kernels |
| 11:23.34 | tarzeau | liable: that's right, and even if they do, they're buggy and unstable |
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| 11:24.07 | tarzeau | liable: i'm a happy nvidia binary driver user here. and #nvidia is nice too. (about 40 machines w/ nvidia driver and stable, some sid boxes) |
| 11:24.07 | liable | tarzeau: they havent been unstable for me, they just dont build |
| 11:24.40 | hark | xorg too.. IIRC they don't support 7.2 as well |
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| 11:25.02 | liable | oh shit, is that right? |
| 11:25.14 | hark | wait, maybe they do.. just the Debian drivers then |
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| 11:25.58 | hark | is 8.28 the latest? |
| 11:26.32 | Guerin | liable: you can borrow my TNT2 if you want a card which actually works ;) |
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| 11:27.05 | liable | hark: .35 |
| 11:27.29 | liable | hark: dude, .32 was out last time i looked and that was quite a while ago |
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| 11:28.38 | liable | Guerin: i'll stick with my console when the ati drivers dont work, thanks ;) |
| 11:28.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:29.00 | hark | heh, ever since the free drivers supported 3d, never installed them |
| 11:29.09 | hark | !info fglrx-driver sid |
| 11:29.12 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 7375 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 11:29.35 | liable | the dev for that package doesnt seem to care much |
| 11:29.55 | liable | i havent ever had much luck with the debian package to tell the truth |
| 11:29.57 | hark | or maybe the damn etch freeze |
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| 11:30.43 | liable | could be, but i have had quite a few upgrades lately |
| 11:30.56 | liable | unless there rc upgrades |
| 11:31.08 | hark | well with their drivers, you can generate debs.. better to use them then probably |
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| 11:31.24 | bigwig | hello |
| 11:31.54 | bigwig | is there anyone who has used catacomb before? |
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| 11:32.14 | bigwig | i am getting access denied messages in my apache error.log |
| 11:32.17 | liable | hark: they seem to suck too, they break my xgl, the default install seems to work mostly |
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| 11:33.11 | JonLin | ugh... swfdec hates every SWF file on the net |
| 11:33.58 | JonLin | It's like it's saying "I know I'm supposed to decode and playback SWF files, but I FUCKING HATE THEIR GUTS, so I won't, I'll just crash Firefox instead." |
| 11:34.04 | hark | the one in debian is quite old |
| 11:34.16 | JonLin | Yeah, I know, I ought to compile the latest one |
| 11:34.39 | hark | it even supports youtube now IIRC |
| 11:35.02 | JonLin | Wow! |
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| 11:36.08 | liable | time for the 4th kernel build of the night :( |
| 11:36.36 | liable | s/build/slow build/ |
| 11:36.36 | hark | http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 11:37.19 | JonLin | Already downloading it ;) |
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| 11:39.24 | hark | well, maybe not that old.. 0.4.2 is in sid |
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| 11:40.24 | CaT[tm] | have to say... the worst thing about etch is that it's so close to release you can almost taste it. |
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| 11:40.50 | JonLin | CaT: Know the feeling |
| 11:41.06 | JonLin | I was gonna wait for it to be released, but I got sick of it and upgraded to testing :-) |
| 11:41.11 | CaT[tm] | hehe |
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| 11:41.37 | CaT[tm] | I'm going to wait for it to be released this time. |
| 11:41.38 | hark | many people are already using it in production.. of course it won't be as stable as sarge for some time |
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| 11:41.54 | xand | mew. |
| 11:41.55 | hark | !rc bugs |
| 11:41.55 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 11:42.29 | CaT[tm] | hark: I'm going to stagger my upgrade of production servers. will take me maybe 6 months. |
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| 11:44.04 | hark | yeah, wise move |
| 11:44.13 | JonLin | Hmm... |
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| 11:45.07 | liable | !beat hark |
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| 11:45.52 | hark | hehe |
| 11:46.31 | JonLin | making slow progress with swfdec |
| 11:46.47 | bigwig | bye |
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| 11:46.50 | hark | the fglrx drivers don;t ven support composite. It would be understandable if their 3d support would be great, but even that is pretty shitty. |
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| 11:47.51 | hark | hope at least amd does somthing about it |
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| 11:50.21 | liable | well, they have had a few months now, and the drivers till suck |
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| 11:51.06 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 11:51.12 | dazjorz | I started memtest86+ yesterday |
| 11:51.42 | dazjorz | it's currently running for almost 20 hours, passed 25 times, pass 53% test 54% test #6.... is it normal it keeps retesting everything? |
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| 11:52.26 | JonLin | Something that is bugging me with Etch; 2.6.8-4 doesn't let me run X on this box (not too sure why, it used to just seg fault, but now it just runs incredibly slowly) so right now I'm running 2.6.8-3 with no hotplug or udev :-/ |
| 11:52.41 | JonLin | it could be something I've done, but I doubt it... |
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| 11:53.09 | liable | JonLin: why dont you upgrade to .18? |
| 11:53.39 | JonLin | liable: I have tried |
| 11:53.57 | JonLin | liable: the kernel works fine, but Xorg refuses to work with it |
| 11:53.58 | liable | and |
| 11:55.06 | JonLin | As soon as KDM starts and the login screen comes up, it runs so slowly and I can't click on any of the menus, type my login and password or anything |
| 11:55.25 | hark | what driver, card? |
| 11:55.37 | JonLin | ATI Pro Rage 128 |
| 11:55.41 | JonLin | pretty old one |
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| 11:56.35 | hark | the r128 driver then |
| 11:56.43 | JonLin | hm? |
| 11:56.54 | liable | which is.. r300? |
| 11:57.15 | hark | radeon driver for that |
| 11:57.25 | hark | man r128 |
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| 11:57.59 | hark | but leaving it at ati should automaticaly select the right one |
| 11:58.00 | JonLin | Thanks, hark, I'll look into it... |
| 11:58.20 | hark | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log or try with vesa |
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| 12:02.50 | streuner | kaminski-ltsp-br: Please turn that off |
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| 12:04.04 | goki-- | I installed some terrible utility called pdf2html, and it removed cups and probably other stuff, any idea how I can get the ability to print again? |
| 12:04.43 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 12:04.59 | goki-- | streuner: that's not for me is it? |
| 12:05.05 | streuner | yes |
| 12:05.20 | streuner | goki--: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:05.27 | goki-- | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:05.48 | streuner | well, look at your dpkg.log and reinstall ally removed packages? |
| 12:06.02 | streuner | s/ally/all/ |
| 12:06.29 | goki-- | where is that? |
| 12:06.39 | streuner | /var/log/ |
| 12:06.49 | streuner | as always |
| 12:06.58 | goki-- | I don't seem to have that, that's where I looked first :) |
| 12:07.03 | JonLin | this make's taking it's time... |
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| 12:07.19 | streuner | goki--: fine :-) |
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| 12:07.46 | streuner | goki--: what kind of printer do you have? |
| 12:08.41 | goki-- | konica minolta magicolor 5440 DL |
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| 12:08.55 | goki-- | but at the moment I don't have any printer drivers at all |
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| 12:09.01 | goki-- | so I think that's a problem :) |
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| 12:09.17 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 12:09.25 | JonLin | Hi |
| 12:09.27 | goki-- | If I could get any drivers back, I could try my old Epson, which I know should work (and did before pdf2html destroyed stuff :) |
| 12:09.47 | goki-- | is there a package for the default install, for stuff like printer drivers, I could isntall that to get back the normal cups setup? |
| 12:10.12 | GutterPunk | What's the command to attach a range of ip's to an interface? Instead of configuring them one by one lik eth0:1, eth0:2 and so on? I'd like eth0 to listen to 15.15.15.32/28 for example |
| 12:10.21 | streuner | goki--: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=KONICA_MINOLTA-magicolor_5440_DL |
| 12:11.49 | liable | ati .35 doesnt seem to work at all actually |
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| 12:13.54 | Surprise | Click on the button anti-cheating "Click to enter" a surprise taten :-) : http://www.root-top.com/topsite/wow/in.php?ID=788 |
| 12:13.58 | JonLin | Shit... |
| 12:14.08 | wols | !ops surprise is a spammer |
| 12:14.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: surprise is a spammer |
| 12:14.10 | goki-- | streuner: ah thanks, that looks really good |
| 12:14.39 | RichiH | i klined so it does not come back |
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| 12:15.16 | alkoool | i have to configure interface eth0 |
| 12:15.59 | streuner | alkoool: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 12:16.15 | dazjorz | RichiH: But it can still come back on different freenode servers. right? |
| 12:16.41 | dazjorz | ahhh. memtest86+ just started on the 27th run after 26 passes... is it ever going to stop?! |
| 12:16.53 | nvz | dazjorz: no |
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| 12:17.16 | RichiH | dazjorz: no, our klines are global |
| 12:17.19 | nvz | why would it stop |
| 12:18.05 | spinster | Hello, I am running Linux Debian OS, and i wanna know that file for bitchx to i set nick ircname ident user... the file is like bash.rc but i don't remember it can somebody tell me ? |
| 12:18.25 | dazjorz | nvz: at a certain point it should have checked all the memory, shouldn't it? |
| 12:18.31 | streuner | spinster: man bitchx |
| 12:18.32 | JonLin | shit... Make's complaining it can't find cairo.h even though I installed libcairo-dev etc. |
| 12:18.43 | nvz | dazjorz: its a memory test.. thats all it does is test memory |
| 12:18.44 | dazjorz | RichiH: Ah, cool, :) |
| 12:18.57 | nvz | dazjorz: its not like going to stop and ask you to play a game of nethack |
| 12:19.09 | liable | JonLin: you building xgl? |
| 12:19.12 | goki-- | ok I got the driver source from minolta, it has a "debian" directory, I think this is for building a deb file to install, is there a howto for that? |
| 12:19.13 | wols | nvz: but it should |
| 12:19.16 | wols | at least tetris |
| 12:19.17 | JonLin | liable: swfdec |
| 12:19.17 | goki-- | or a oneliner :) |
| 12:19.22 | dazjorz | nvz: Well, it's a memory test indeed, but does that mean it has to test the memory over and over if it's all thorougly checked already? |
| 12:19.27 | nvz | wols: yeah then it would be more useful |
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| 12:19.42 | wols | dazjorz: it does. stablity can never be proven. only instability |
| 12:20.14 | dazjorz | wols: well, if my server crashed 4 times in the past week, and each after several days or hours, would it be better to keep it running? |
| 12:20.21 | dazjorz | it's been running for 20 and a half hour now |
| 12:20.30 | JonLin | liable: Any ideas? |
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| 12:21.14 | fireba11 | dazjorz: usually one run is enough though |
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| 12:21.24 | alkoool | i have a problem with route |
| 12:21.38 | dazjorz | fireba11: ah, so 26 runs are surely enough :) I'll quit it then and do some other check |
| 12:21.38 | fireba11 | dazjorz: you might want to test a cpu burn-in test and check your hd though |
| 12:21.51 | dazjorz | maybe I need to check the hard drive or so |
| 12:21.53 | fireba11 | yep |
| 12:21.55 | streuner | goki--: so there isn't a README or such? |
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| 12:21.59 | dazjorz | fireba11: how do I do that? |
| 12:22.04 | liable | JonLin: if you built it, tell whatever you are building to search in /usr/local or wherever you put it. PKG_CONFIG_PATH= |
| 12:22.18 | JonLin | Cheers |
| 12:22.32 | fireba11 | dazjorz: get the ultimate boot cd, all nice free tools to check your ahrdware are on there |
| 12:22.55 | wols | dazjorz: no. checked the power supply |
| 12:23.06 | wols | and I have a similar machin. memtest checks out fine too :( |
| 12:25.43 | goki-- | streuner: I found some instructions... now I am just stuck with working out what "libjbig" is |
| 12:25.43 | goki-- | it apparently needs it to compile |
| 12:25.58 | streuner | goki--: /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:26.17 | streuner | !find libjbig |
| 12:26.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libjbig' returned no results. |
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| 12:26.42 | goki-- | doh |
| 12:27.00 | goki-- | configure: error: Could not find libjbig.a |
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| 12:28.05 | streuner | goki--: are you running just 'make' or use dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 12:28.26 | JonLin | liable: I got libcairo2-dev from Apt, cairo.h is in /usr/include/cairo which I prefixed with PKG_CONFIG_PATH= but make can't see it |
| 12:29.49 | goki-- | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
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| 12:30.28 | goki-- | hm, dpkg says "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot" so I tried that, same error |
| 12:30.57 | goki-- | I don't think this libjbig thing exists for debian :( |
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| 12:33.46 | streuner | goki--: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/jbigkit-1.5.tar.gz |
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| 12:35.48 | debianuser | hi, im a c++ programmer, and i compile things a lot with gcc, lol, what would be the best journaled file system for me? |
| 12:36.07 | azeem | debianuser: ext3 |
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| 12:36.19 | debianuser | thx :) |
| 12:36.32 | tarzeau | debianuser: funny you didn't ask for other c++ compilers... |
| 12:36.37 | streuner | goki--: you need that tar.gz and just extract and install it |
| 12:36.40 | debianuser | lol |
| 12:36.48 | tarzeau | there's tendra after all |
| 12:37.10 | debianuser | ill format with ext3 then, thx |
| 12:37.18 | streuner | goki--: make sure 'make' finds those libs then... |
| 12:37.19 | tarzeau | debianuser: if it's ext2 you can convert it |
| 12:37.20 | nvz | write a new filesystem |
| 12:37.27 | debianuser | nah, reiserFS |
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| 12:38.36 | streuner | goki--: make sure that the 'cups dev' packages installed too... |
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| 12:39.26 | streuner | goki--: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/jbigkit-1.5.tar.gz |
| 12:39.33 | streuner | goki--: apt-cache search cups dev |
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| 12:44.31 | streuner | tarzeau: where is the 'debian worldmap'? |
| 12:44.47 | daya | libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 12:45.04 | streuner | !tell daya about search |
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| 12:45.45 | JonLin | Make can't find cairo.h (which is in /usr/include/cairo) where should I point PKG_CONFIG_PATH= to? |
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| 12:46.12 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 12:46.12 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap, or http://www.frappr.com/debian |
| 12:46.16 | tarzeau | streuner: for you |
| 12:46.22 | streuner | haha, thanks. |
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| 12:50.07 | OA1 | evening |
| 12:50.15 | OA1 | ao_, you are using my nick |
| 12:50.32 | OA1 | please change it now as if you do not I will forcefully remove your listing |
| 12:50.36 | HostilePenguin | i really like debian |
| 12:50.45 | petemc | OA1: you have it registered? |
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| 12:51.08 | HostilePenguin | i have not one complaint yet |
| 12:51.13 | nvz | there isnt even any such nick ao_ currently on the network |
| 12:51.14 | OA1 | petemc; my nick OA_ is registered and has been for many months |
| 12:51.50 | Ronin | OA_: then take it |
| 12:51.54 | petemc | OA1: then surely you can just identify |
| 12:51.56 | JonLin | Make can't find cairo.h (which is in /usr/include/cairo) where should I point PKG_CONFIG_PATH= to? |
| 12:51.57 | OA_ | I did |
| 12:52.00 | streuner | dpkg, find is <reply> find(1) is an extremely useful command for shell scripts, but it's very poorly understood. Just read http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 12:52.14 | OA_ | nvz - it was present, I just killed it |
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| 12:52.22 | streuner | dpkg, find is <reply> find is an extremely useful command for shell scripts, but it's very poorly understood. Just read http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 12:52.47 | streuner | <dpkg> search string looks fuzzy. |
| 12:52.50 | streuner | fuzzy? |
| 12:52.57 | petemc | find is a command |
| 12:52.57 | OA_ | Oa__; hello. Please use your current nick of OA__ instead of my registered OA_ :) |
| 12:53.02 | cokeslut | sup |
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| 12:53.04 | streuner | Wth does the bot mean? |
| 12:53.05 | adrakoa | hi |
| 12:53.16 | OA_ | ciao bellas, have a goo day/night |
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| 12:53.19 | streuner | DOH |
| 12:53.23 | nvz | streuner: find is a builtin command |
| 12:53.29 | petemc | streuner: find is a command for the bot to find filenames in packages |
| 12:53.33 | streuner | nvz: yeah, just realized it |
| 12:54.13 | Ronin | man didnt think using a nick would get someone bent out of shape |
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| 12:54.22 | rafa | hello friends |
| 12:54.39 | rafa | do you know about debian on palm? |
| 12:54.55 | rafa | ? |
| 12:55.14 | rafa | or other distro can run in palm |
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| 12:55.44 | streuner | What's a good factoid name for find(1)? |
| 12:55.47 | nvz | PalmOS is easy enough to get working on a palm |
| 12:55.47 | cokeslut | not sure |
| 12:56.21 | nvz | you just take the palm out of the box.. viola! |
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| 13:03.50 | cydork | rafa: check handheld.org iirc they had list for linux distributions for handhelds. |
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| 13:05.29 | bon | anyone having trouble installing etch rc2 with raid1+lvm+lilo? |
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| 13:05.55 | mnvl | how do i set the default gateway of a network interface ?? |
| 13:06.47 | stew | mnvl: man interfaces |
| 13:06.57 | liable | mnvl: in inetrfaces file |
| 13:07.20 | tarzeau | bon: i've trouble installing etch rc2 with preseeding... |
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| 13:08.25 | cr3 | how can I just get a deb? apt-get source doesn't return a deb, so should I be building the deb from that source or is there another way to just get a deb? |
| 13:08.44 | azeem | cr3: apt-get install -d <package> will just download it |
| 13:08.56 | mnvl | well i can't edit that file because i don't have a delete key |
| 13:09.04 | mnvl | is it possible to change it on the command line? |
| 13:09.10 | azeem | mnvl: then fix your keyboard |
| 13:09.19 | mnvl | it's a mac keyboard |
| 13:09.24 | Braindead | mnvl: ctrl+h should do the job |
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| 13:10.17 | Braindead | even though I'm quite confident that a mac keyboard has got a backspace indeed |
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| 13:11.59 | hark | or use vi |
| 13:12.29 | nvz | vi vould anyvon do vhat |
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| 13:13.12 | CaT[tm] | oh the humanity! |
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| 13:13.40 | mnvl | well how do you delete characters in vi, i usually use the delete key |
| 13:13.47 | petemc | x |
| 13:13.59 | mnvl | unfortunately it doesn't recoginse the backspace key |
| 13:14.16 | fengor | mnvl: in command mod euse d with a motion |
| 13:14.22 | petemc | mnvl: you're using terminal.app ? theres an option to send backspace.. |
| 13:14.24 | fengor | dw deletes a word for example |
| 13:14.30 | fengor | d2w deletes 2 words |
| 13:15.04 | jimbalaya | I'm not sure if there's a development channel for debian, but I just used the Etch installer and, if there are any people here that work on that, I just wanted to say that I'm IMPRESSED |
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| 13:15.14 | fengor | or use c which will delete the motion and put you in edit mode |
| 13:15.31 | nvz | ugh.. |
| 13:15.44 | nvz | any editor that needs to be put into edit mode can go to hell |
| 13:15.48 | hark | confuse him more ;) |
| 13:15.57 | cydork | !nvz++ |
| 13:15.57 | azeem | how about not having an editor discussion in here |
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| 13:17.05 | nvz | until they put it into edit mode, they arent really talking about an editor |
| 13:17.18 | cydork | !away deg0nz|weq |
| 13:17.18 | dpkg | deg0nz|weq: No one cares if you are away. NO ONE! Read http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 13:17.23 | streuner | well, how about X-Chat, when using to edit it just goes backwards actually... |
| 13:17.23 | mnvl | well, in all seriousness, is it possible to set the gateway from the command line?? i've edited /etc/net../inter.. using emcs |
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| 13:17.36 | streuner | Is this a new feature? |
| 13:17.43 | petemc | mnvl: ip route add default via 1.2.3.254 |
| 13:17.51 | Braindead | mnvl: man route. and I repeat: you can always use ctrl+h |
| 13:17.52 | CaT[tm] | mnvl: man route or man ip |
| 13:18.02 | petemc | or route add default gw 1.2.3.254 |
| 13:18.09 | cr3 | azeem: when I run apt-get install -d <pkg>, I get the message that the package is already the newest version |
| 13:18.10 | mnvl | thanx all |
| 13:18.17 | azeem | cr3: add --reinstall |
| 13:18.30 | nvz | Braindead: always? |
| 13:18.33 | cr3 | azeem: then, I don't get a deb in the current working directory and searching for \*.deb in /var didn't return anything. I'll try the reinstall |
| 13:18.36 | Braindead | nvz: "almost" |
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| 13:18.55 | petemc | cr3: have you checked if the deb you need is in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 13:19.00 | Braindead | cr3: aptitude download FOO if you want foo.deb in ./ |
| 13:19.17 | cr3 | azeem: aha! got it, it's now under /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:19.19 | azeem | cr3: or try "dget package" from devscripts |
| 13:19.44 | cr3 | Braindead: the first time I ran just apt-get install -d, I did indeed search all of /var. I really needed to specify --reinstall as instructed by azeem |
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| 13:20.45 | fluxdude3 | how do I find the salt my linux system is using? |
| 13:20.58 | tarzeau | fluxdude3: for the accounts? |
| 13:21.10 | tarzeau | fluxdude3: it's inside the hash? |
| 13:21.38 | mnvl | network now working correctly, thanx for the help all |
| 13:22.10 | mnvl | the first two chars of the hash are the salt in Base-64 |
| 13:22.25 | mnvl | it's different for each user |
| 13:22.48 | fluxdude3 | tarzeau: that's what I thought, I thought it was the first 2 letters of the hash |
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| 13:23.12 | ReinH | could someone recommend a good Keynote alternative for linux? Or any good presentation app? |
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| 13:24.14 | azeem | ReinH: OOo Impress, latex-beamer or magicpoint |
| 13:24.32 | ReinH | ty, I'll look into those |
| 13:24.34 | nvz | I think computer presentation apps make people stupid and fail to deliver much information |
| 13:24.52 | azeem | nvz: thanks for the comment |
| 13:25.02 | nvz | sure no problem |
| 13:25.03 | ReinH | nvz: good to know |
| 13:25.17 | ReinH | so... any other suggestions? ;) |
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| 13:25.55 | Plasm0 | hi, what vnc client software should I use to view my vnc server on my xp box? |
| 13:26.08 | azeem | ReinH: maybe there is some KDE app from Koffice as well |
| 13:26.26 | nvz | Plasm0: xvncviewer would do |
| 13:26.36 | Plasm0 | it isn't working |
| 13:26.43 | Plasm0 | it's just a tiny little window |
| 13:26.45 | nvz | oh right, isn't working |
| 13:26.47 | ReinH | azeem: hmmm, perhaps |
| 13:26.50 | Plasm0 | I enter the ip and hit enter and it freezes up |
| 13:26.50 | ReinH | I'll look around, thanks |
| 13:26.51 | hark | prosper |
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| 13:27.01 | torrrr | hi |
| 13:27.14 | torrrr | how do I search files on the xterm? |
| 13:27.16 | nvz | Plasm0: try run it xvncviewer ip.address, on the commandline |
| 13:27.19 | tarzeau | torrrr: using find |
| 13:27.28 | tarzeau | torrrr: echo and wildcards are an alternative |
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| 13:27.46 | torrrr | I never go along with find, was it improved ? |
| 13:28.07 | fengor | yes now it has man find |
| 13:28.11 | nvz | Plasm0: xvnc4viewer or tsclient |
| 13:28.20 | fengor | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind gives a good introduction as well |
| 13:28.30 | Plasm0 | nvz, it just sits at See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. |
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| 13:28.45 | nvz | Plasm0: I really dont know of too many.. I use xvncviewer. I have noticed in etch it doesnt work unless I specify the ip on the commandline |
| 13:29.03 | nvz | well the ip and screen number |
| 13:29.12 | Plasm0 | hmm |
| 13:29.15 | x_link | What is "mdetect" for program/file? |
| 13:29.44 | torrrr | find seems to do what it always did |
| 13:29.44 | Plasm0 | im trying to connect to a MS XP box |
| 13:29.44 | torrrr | just spit out every file there is in the path |
| 13:29.44 | x_link | aptitude upgrade recommended me to install it but didn't install it itself. |
| 13:29.44 | nvz | Plasm0: I am not in need of VNC information I understand what VNC is and what RFB is and such |
| 13:29.45 | x_link | And I cant find any man pages about mdetect. |
| 13:29.45 | x_link | Anybody= |
| 13:29.45 | x_link | ? |
| 13:29.48 | torrrr | now I remember, I used to do find |grep what I look for |
| 13:29.51 | fengor | torrrr: please take a look at the link i wrote |
| 13:30.28 | nvz | torrrr: haha. you are handicapped |
| 13:30.39 | Braindead | nvz: don't make fun of handicaps |
| 13:30.44 | nvz | torrrr: you need to read the manpage sometime |
| 13:30.46 | nvz | Braindead: hah. good point. |
| 13:31.04 | nvz | torrrr: find -name foo path |
| 13:31.14 | nvz | for example |
| 13:31.25 | Braindead | x_link: --with-recommends as an option |
| 13:31.29 | nvz | it is far more complicated than your narrow scope of understanding |
| 13:32.18 | x_link | Braindead: ? |
| 13:32.31 | Braindead | x_link: it's an aptitude option |
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| 13:32.35 | torrrr | nvz: the man say: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression] |
| 13:32.36 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.42 | x_link | Braindead: Okej. |
| 13:33.06 | x_link | Braindead: I installed it anyway. |
| 13:33.09 | fengor | torrrr: how about find /usr -name "*libwnck*" -print |
| 13:33.10 | nvz | torrrr: if you are looking for a file called libwnck then you need to use the -name as part of the expression |
| 13:33.19 | x_link | But I don't know if I should do anything with it. |
| 13:33.42 | nvz | torrrr: the expression could be anything related to files.. their size, names, dates..etc |
| 13:33.52 | Braindead | x_link: dpkg -L mdetect then. but mdetect isn't thought for human use, it's more of an useful resource for autoconfigs |
| 13:35.09 | torrrr | fengor ' find /usr -name "*libwnck*" -print' print all files in the path |
| 13:35.38 | x_link | Braindead: Okej, should I remove it you think? |
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| 13:36.04 | Braindead | x_link: it won't do any harm. let him live |
| 13:36.21 | fengor | i dont think so torrrr |
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| 13:37.13 | fengor | it only prints files that have libwnck somewhere in their name |
| 13:37.18 | fengor | at least on my machine |
| 13:37.49 | torrrr | fengor you are correct, I forgot to write the -name |
| 13:37.54 | x_link | Braindead: Okej..... |
| 13:37.55 | torrrr | fengor thanks |
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| 13:38.37 | fengor | torrrr: no problem if you want to show gratitude go to http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind and read it. |
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| 13:39.08 | torrrr | fengor, I am already there, I'll keep a bookmark |
| 13:39.14 | Plasm0 | nvz, I got it, it was a firewall issue |
| 13:39.27 | Plasm0 | thanks |
| 13:41.29 | torrrr | ok, so I built libwnck, and got files neamed libwnck18_2.14.3-1_i386.deb libwnck-common_2.14.3-1_all.deb libwnck-dev_2.14.3-1_i386.deb |
| 13:41.45 | azeem | why do you build wnck? |
| 13:41.55 | torrrr | should I just dpkg -i them all? |
| 13:43.16 | Braindead | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.16 | Braindead | 3 |
| 13:48.32 | torrrr | well, I'll try |
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| 13:48.47 | torrrr | probably should run under xfce or something while updating gnome libs |
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| 13:49.38 | OA_ | had to see what all the fuss was about |
| 13:49.57 | OA_ | what is this channel about? |
| 13:50.59 | azeem | Debian support |
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| 13:51.39 | Plouj | hi guys |
| 13:52.28 | OA_ | azeem; thanks. There was a person who was using my nick here. I hope they realise that my knocking them off wasn't due to malice, pure ownership (as can be expected in this place). |
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| 13:52.52 | OA_ | azeem; what is Debian? Please excuse my ignorance. |
| 13:52.53 | Plouj | for some reason, default debian install doesn't show any colours in bash when viewed through putty's terminal |
| 13:53.05 | azeem | OA_: see http://www.debian.org |
| 13:53.07 | fengor | OA_: Debian is a linux distribution |
| 13:53.20 | OA_ | fengor; thanks mate |
| 13:53.32 | fengor | no prob for further information see the link from azeem |
| 13:53.44 | OA_ | azeem; if I looked up all the answeres why would this channel be required? ;P |
| 13:55.00 | OA_ | azeem; I'm just kidding you mate - lol |
| 13:55.00 | OA_ | fengor; thanks, will do - am interested to see if it has anything to do with gaming |
| 13:55.01 | OA_ | fengor & azeem; appreciate the help. thanks. |
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| 13:58.12 | |sharky| | what's the best way to convert a pdf document to writeable openoffice document ? |
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| 13:58.29 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 13:58.43 | xand | bo |
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| 13:58.59 | tarzeau | |sharky|: get the original document the pdf was made with? |
| 13:59.00 | CaT[tm] | hmm. i kept them together. |
| 14:00.04 | |sharky| | i lost it :( |
| 14:00.07 | dazjorz | Which kernel architecture should I use if I have an AMD-K6-2 |
| 14:00.08 | dazjorz | ? |
| 14:00.15 | dazjorz | -386, -686, -k7 |
| 14:00.22 | abrotman | !find pdf2 sarge |
| 14:00.31 | xand | dazjorz: 68 |
| 14:00.31 | xand | 6 |
| 14:00.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2' (6 of 10): (/usr/bin/{pdf2dsc|pdf2ps}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/gs-esp/7.07/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-esp ;; (/usr/share/gs-gpl/8.01/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-gpl ;; (/usr/share/mantis/gui/images/pdf2icon.gif) in web/mantis ;; (/var/spool/hylafax/bin/pdf2fax.gs) in comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/share/gs-afpl/8.14/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in non-free/text/gs-afpl. |
| 14:00.42 | abrotman | k6-2 isn't 686 |
| 14:00.46 | xand | isn't it? |
| 14:00.49 | xand | 486 then |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | sadly .. no |
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| 14:01.10 | dazjorz | abrotman: which is it then? |
| 14:01.16 | abrotman | 486 |
| 14:01.26 | abrotman | technically 586 would work .. if we had those |
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| 14:01.35 | dazjorz | okay, I'll get 486 then |
| 14:01.49 | adrakoa | dazjorz: apt-cache search kernel amd |
| 14:02.08 | dazjorz | ? |
| 14:02.22 | dazjorz | it's no longer kernel, it's linux-image now, iirc |
| 14:02.23 | abrotman | that'll return the k7/k8 |
| 14:02.28 | dazjorz | yeah, that too |
| 14:02.36 | dazjorz | I mean, the package names |
| 14:02.46 | dazjorz | so they won't match to kernel, will they? |
| 14:03.21 | adrakoa | dazjorz: www.kernel.org |
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| 14:03.31 | abrotman | adrakoa: why? |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | dazjorz: just use the -486 kernels |
| 14:03.54 | adrakoa | ok |
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| 14:04.24 | crm_ | hey |
| 14:04.43 | dererk | yo |
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| 14:05.00 | crm_ | is the selection of mmx better for a kernel build than the i586 |
| 14:05.14 | crm_ | on an mmx processor |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | probably |
| 14:05.29 | dererk | mmx is not 586 i think |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | dererk: some of them had it |
| 14:05.59 | dererk | Oh |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | such as the P166 w/MMX |
| 14:06.19 | nick108 | Hi there, I need some help with group setup under debian sarge in regard to nagios 1.3 |
| 14:06.25 | dererk | abrotman, but is a P166 supposed to be 586? |
| 14:06.32 | nick108 | currently the user nagios belongs to the group *postdrop* |
| 14:06.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:06.40 | dererk | oh |
| 14:06.57 | dererk | nick108, so, chgrp them! |
| 14:07.07 | nick108 | the group nagios does not exist yet |
| 14:07.14 | dererk | nick108, postdrop has nothing to do with nagios |
| 14:07.26 | nick108 | i just installed via apt-get that's all |
| 14:07.36 | dererk | you did? |
| 14:07.38 | abrotman | dererk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium .. if you really care .. |
| 14:07.40 | dererk | well, nice bug then |
| 14:08.00 | dererk | abrotman, thanks, I'll |
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| 14:08.17 | nick108 | dererk: how do I create a group? (sorry for the dumb question) |
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| 14:08.34 | dererk | nick108, addgroup |
| 14:09.07 | nick108 | dererk: do I need to consider any options or will a simple *addgroup nagios* do fine? |
| 14:09.12 | dererk | Are you sure that you aptget it? ;) |
| 14:09.28 | nick108 | yes |
| 14:09.30 | dererk | nick108, no, it's ok |
| 14:09.53 | dererk | I'm going to have breakfast |
| 14:10.10 | adrakoa | dererk: que aproveche.. |
| 14:10.10 | nick108 | dererk: I actually wanted to apt-get nagios2 via backports, but there sooooo many dependencies |
| 14:10.19 | dererk | adrakoa, lol |
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| 14:11.18 | enouf | dererk: i have a 586 w/MMX |
| 14:12.17 | dererk | enouf, yes, yes, abrotman clearify the things up |
| 14:12.22 | dererk | I was confused |
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| 14:14.21 | anferva | enouf, what hapenned? |
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| 14:14.45 | fatgoose | hi |
| 14:15.33 | fatgoose | I've a i386 debian install w/ with a 686 linux-image on a SMP AMD 64 processor |
| 14:16.05 | fatgoose | can I install a amd64 linux-image + upgrade the base system? |
| 14:16.16 | xand | no you need to reinstall |
| 14:16.17 | xand | afaik |
| 14:16.27 | fatgoose | jeez :/ |
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| 14:19.13 | fatgoose | xand: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/jonesy/weblog/1 |
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| 14:20.18 | dererk | <xand> no you need to reinstall |
| 14:20.21 | dererk | thanks right |
| 14:20.29 | dererk | thats* |
| 14:21.17 | fatgoose | DerJamster: so the guy on debian-administration dot org is wrong? |
| 14:21.22 | fatgoose | dereck i mean |
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| 14:22.22 | dererk | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html -> Can I `apt-get arch-upgrade` from an already installed i386 debian? |
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| 14:23.01 | fatgoose | erk |
| 14:23.03 | nick108 | dererk: the group nagios actually already existed, but as the user nagios currently belongs to the group postdrop I cannot chown the files |
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| 14:23.37 | dererk | nick108, then it's ok |
| 14:23.46 | nick108 | dererk: chown -R nagios.nagios * will set the group to postdrop |
| 14:23.56 | dererk | I wonder why it belogngs to postdrop anyway, but it's ok |
| 14:24.16 | dererk | ok, coffee is ready |
| 14:24.18 | dererk | !bbl |
| 14:24.19 | dpkg | it has been said that bbl is be back later |
| 14:24.32 | nick108 | dererk: so do I use chgrp for that purpose? |
| 14:24.38 | aixing | hey guys, please how can i find out what video codecs are installed on my system and how can I add missing ones |
| 14:24.40 | aixing | ? |
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| 14:29.47 | hark | aixing: which one do you need? |
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| 14:31.30 | hark | check in /usr/lib/codecs/ or /usr/lib/win32/ |
| 14:31.51 | vinyl | hey there. i got a really strange problem with my /home partition (reiserfs). i just deleted some files (a couple of gb) from nautilus. the files are obviously deleted (they are neither in the place they were before nor in .Trash or anywhere else - if find is correct). but the diskspace is simply not freed. am i going crazy or does anyone have a hint on what might be going on? |
| 14:32.18 | aixing | hark: sorry. I will check that now |
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| 14:33.14 | vinyl | btw, it is a reiserfs partition within lvm on a debian sid - not that this should be important thou ... |
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| 14:33.54 | vinyl | is there any way to force reiserfs to recalculate the free diskspace? |
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| 14:35.58 | Ryushin | vinyl: I had this happen to myself as well. I don't remember is a simple remount of the partition worked, a reboot, or a reiserfschk fixed it. I would try them in that order. |
| 14:36.08 | azeem | vinyl: if the files are still held open/referenced by some application or so, they will not have been removed yet |
| 14:36.37 | nick108 | Can someone please tell me how to change the group of the user nagios from postdrop to nagios? |
| 14:37.16 | xand | nick108: vipw |
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| 14:38.26 | Lake | Well, my turn to annoy: Can anyone help me figure out why Ubuntu won't reckognize wy Radeon 9800? |
| 14:38.34 | vinyl | Ryushin: that sounds reasonable. i'll give that a try - though the second solution reminds me of an operating system i once used in the past ;) |
| 14:38.35 | OA_ | so debian is a form of Linux - cool |
| 14:38.41 | xand | Lake: no |
| 14:38.50 | xand | Lake: this is NOT #ubuntu |
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| 14:38.54 | amphi | OA_: it's a linux distribution |
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| 14:38.55 | Lake | sorry :P |
| 14:39.01 | vinyl | azeem: good point. but shouldn't they show up with ls then? |
| 14:39.06 | OA_ | amphi; ok, thanks |
| 14:39.16 | Lake | xand: Debian sorta still is it's father |
| 14:39.17 | nick108 | xand: I don't want to spoil anything - is it save to simply use the vipw command without any options? |
| 14:39.33 | xand | Lake: we don't support ubuntu in here... at all, ever |
| 14:39.37 | xand | please ask #ubuntu |
| 14:39.42 | amphi | Lake: doesn't mean ubuntu isn't a misshapen child ;) |
| 14:39.57 | xand | nick108: if you're careful. |
| 14:40.00 | tosh| | I'm running a kernel-image that I got from the apt-tree. Now im trying to install vmware server but it wants the source files of the kernel I'm running. The only thing I can find in the apt-tree for this particular kernel is the kernel-headers package, but thats not what vmware is looking for. where do I get the original kernel source for that kernel? (2.6.11-686-1) |
| 14:40.03 | Lake | xand: got it, I was just making an analogy joke! I'l be heading over to Ubuntu |
| 14:40.28 | BlueParrot | OA_: to be technical, Linux is the kernel and debian is one of many operating systems and distributions of software that build on top of it |
| 14:40.35 | Lake | amphi: yeah, but it is THE misshapen child I use, gotta work with it's misshapen problems |
| 14:40.46 | vinyl | brb ... |
| 14:41.11 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 14:41.30 | amphi | Lake: heh |
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| 14:42.03 | OA_ | BlueParrot; thanks for the information. I gathered that all OS (oriniginations anyway) came from 'kernals' and that windows xp, oe vista for example originate from the same or similar kernal, just different differations of the same or similar programming? |
| 14:42.10 | amphi | Lake: that card is supported by the xorg radeo driver, but oly 2d, according to man radeon |
| 14:42.14 | Harzilein | is there a tool in debian that allows resuming filesystem copy operations? rsync et al won't improve things much, as they need to read the file as well |
| 14:42.16 | OA_ | BlueParrot; if that was nonsensical, ignore it lol |
| 14:42.29 | xand | amphi: wrong channel |
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| 14:42.52 | BlueParrot | OA_: uhm, the kernel is just the piece of the OS that deals with things like memory management, permissions, process scheduling etc ... |
| 14:43.05 | xand | "just" ;) |
| 14:43.08 | OA_ | BlueParrot; basic blue printing |
| 14:43.14 | BlueParrot | OA_: the different Windows versions use different kernels afaik |
| 14:43.14 | OA_ | yeah? |
| 14:43.23 | amphi | yeah, nothing important ;) |
| 14:43.25 | OA_ | BlueParrot; ok, didn't know that |
| 14:43.27 | BlueParrot | OA_: more like central traffic control |
| 14:43.28 | cydork | OA_: stop trolling! |
| 14:43.53 | OA_ | cydork; am no troll, if only I had suhc lucky hair |
| 14:44.17 | BlueParrot | yea, see OA_ is clearly a Taureen |
| 14:44.23 | OA_ | cydork; only response you will gain for your comment. wish you well in life, am here to learn. |
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| 14:44.46 | hark | tosh|: you'll need the headers.. if you don't want to upgrade your kernel, check snapshot.debian.net to see if there are headers available for this kernel |
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| 14:45.33 | OA_ | BlueParrot; and a taureen is? (yes asking the question shows my ignorance - but without ignorance how would anyone have a basis to grow from?) |
| 14:45.56 | nick108 | xand: ok, now I got it, it's just vi for the passwd file |
| 14:46.06 | OA_ | too much |
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| 14:46.14 | nick108 | xand: the nagios line looks like this: nagios:x:107:107::/var/log/nagios:/bin/false |
| 14:46.31 | xand | the second number is the group |
| 14:46.45 | xand | chnage the second 107 to the gid of the right group |
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| 14:47.27 | BlueParrot | OA_: just a silly reference to a computer game that also feature trolls |
| 14:47.37 | nick108 | xand: how do I know the id of the group nagios? |
| 14:47.52 | OA_ | BlueParrot; thank you for enlightening me. I appreciate your response and information :) |
| 14:47.57 | fengor | nick108: less /etc/group |
| 14:48.25 | fengor | or grep nagios /etc/group |
| 14:48.27 | OA_ | BlueParrot; was beginning to think this place was nothing short of a hf unless you 'know' basically everything. Excellent to see I was wrong. |
| 14:48.33 | vinyl | Ryushin: thanks, the reboot helped after a remount was no good. again, thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:48.54 | OA_ | where's my Atari damnit |
| 14:49.06 | OA_ | miss my Atari |
| 14:49.07 | x_link | In my basement. |
| 14:49.15 | xand | nick108: what fengor said |
| 14:49.19 | nick108 | fengor: thanks for the pointer |
| 14:49.22 | OA_ | then can you please return it x_link? LOL |
| 14:49.26 | OA_ | I'll pay you for it |
| 14:49.27 | rgsteele | Hey guys. Any good suggestions for getting ifconfig information from a remote box? I was hoping to avoid the overhead of something ugly like: ssh `host machine.domain.com | cut -f 3` ifconfig | grep 10.0.0 | awk -F"[: ]" '{print $13}' |
| 14:49.28 | OA_ | :P |
| 14:49.29 | x_link | OA_: ;D |
| 14:49.42 | BlueParrot | Debian has been ported to atari hasn't it ? |
| 14:49.45 | nick108 | xand: now I know what the real problem is: the group postdrop and the group nagios have the same ID |
| 14:49.51 | abrotman | BlueParrot: that's netbse |
| 14:49.53 | abrotman | bsd |
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| 14:50.17 | nick108 | xand: therefore if I want to change a file's group to nagios it defaults to postdrop :-( |
| 14:50.31 | x_link | sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 14:50.37 | x_link | opps wrong konsole window |
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| 14:51.32 | BlueParrot | abrotman: oh well, have to wait for the debian NetBSD port then ; ) |
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| 14:51.52 | abrotman | http://netbsd.org/Ports/atari/ |
| 14:52.06 | quipster | i have an nfs share and lockd cpu usage is HIGH always 10% .. any ideas on howto find out why |
| 14:52.35 | quipster | 10% or higher |
| 14:52.44 | quipster | even under low usage |
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| 14:55.12 | OA_ | x_link; are you an 'expert' on debian? |
| 14:55.24 | nick108 | xand: can I manually edit the /etc/group file and change the ID of the group nagios without compromising the system? |
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| 14:55.40 | h3sp4wn | BlueParrot: No reason you couldn't use debian 68k is a supported arch (at least for Sarge) |
| 14:55.46 | Plasm0 | how can I create a symbolic link so say /home/user/stats.html points to > /var/www/stats.html |
| 14:55.53 | OA_ | x_link; I'll forgive your abduction of my Atari - only for a moment mind you :P lol |
| 14:56.07 | Pobega | Plasm0: ln -s? |
| 14:56.19 | BlueParrot | h3sp4wn: of course I will just be using x86 for some time yet , but I was just curious :P |
| 14:56.20 | Plasm0 | whats the full command |
| 14:56.32 | BlueParrot | I did play with the idea of a SPARC laptop once tho ... |
| 14:56.43 | BlueParrot | except they didn't have any decent graphics cards ... |
| 14:56.44 | Pobega | ln -s file/you're/linking/to /file/you/want/to/be/a/link |
| 14:56.57 | xand | nick108: yes, so long as you don't cock it up.... use vigr which checks for correct syntax when you save/quit |
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| 14:57.02 | h3sp4wn | BlueParrot: I have used a sparcbook before - only well built laptop I ever used yet |
| 14:57.22 | nick108 | xand: thanks! |
| 14:57.45 | BlueParrot | h3sp4wn: well they aren't targeted at the average computer user, which helps I guess ... |
| 14:58.35 | abrotman | BlueParrot: they're not supposed to .. Tadpole still sells them .. now with better cards though |
| 14:59.12 | abrotman | though .. since solaris runs on amd64 .. dunno why you would |
| 14:59.16 | h3sp4wn | BlueParrot: It was an ancient one weighed tons - and fast enough to run a bootp and web proxy for quite a big university network (when the ultrasparc 1 died for a few days) |
| 14:59.51 | abrotman | BlueParrot: http://www.tadpole.com/products/notebooks/bullfrogdp.asp |
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| 15:00.13 | abrotman | hehe .. a 22lb "laptop" |
| 15:00.45 | x_link | OA_: Hi... sorry mate. I have been using Debian Etch for 7 months. I don't know much about GNU/Linux. I'm new with Linux. |
| 15:01.22 | tosh| | I'm running a kernel-image that I got from the apt-tree. Now im trying to install vmware server but it wants the source files of the kernel I'm running. The only thing I can find in the apt-tree for this particular kernel is the kernel-headers package, but thats not what vmware is looking for. where do I get the original kernel source for that kernel? (2.6.11-686-1) |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | your kernel is *very* out of date |
| 15:01.46 | Plasm0 | how do I get public_html working? |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | tosh|: you should be up to 2.6.18 |
| 15:02.51 | tosh| | abrotman Ill apt-get it then, does that one have the kernel-source package?\ |
| 15:02.54 | OA_ | x_link; I know little about Linux fullstop. Had a mate who tried to teach me years ago, just didn't work out. Am interested now though and here purely to observe, read, ask and learn :) (I still miss my Atari though - ns - I wouldn't mind having it here with QBert and the like right now - not interested in the emulators. |
| 15:02.56 | tosh| | or A kernel-source package? |
| 15:02.56 | cydork | Plasm0: userdir module |
| 15:03.04 | OA_ | x_link; each to their own though |
| 15:03.52 | abrotman | tosh|: apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:04.00 | x_link | OA_: =) |
| 15:04.08 | abrotman | tosh|: be aware .. you might want to have a rescue disc handy .. it might not go smoothly |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | tosh|: and yes .. then you'll have headers available |
| 15:05.02 | OA_ | x_link; :) |
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| 15:08.21 | Plasm0 | cydork, im looking in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 15:08.29 | Plasm0 | how do I make public_html work? |
| 15:08.42 | OA_ | x_link; are you male? |
| 15:09.18 | x_link | OA_: Both. |
| 15:09.22 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:09.29 | x_link | I'm a shemale |
| 15:09.34 | OA_ | x_link; hermaphrodite? |
| 15:09.38 | x_link | 50/50 |
| 15:09.41 | OA_ | x_link; cool |
| 15:09.44 | x_link | Yes |
| 15:09.52 | x_link | I hate my parents for it, but it's pretty cool. |
| 15:10.05 | x_link | I can do twice as much as "normal" humans can. |
| 15:10.07 | OA_ | x_link; was devloping a crush - just trying to descipher my own sexuality rather than yours :P LMAO |
| 15:10.11 | x_link | hehe kidding. I'm a male yes. |
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| 15:11.16 | cydork | Plasm0: you have to enable mod_userdir.. |
| 15:11.31 | Plasm0 | how? |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 15:11.41 | Plasm0 | there is no #commanet |
| 15:11.58 | cydork | Plasm0: man a2enmod |
| 15:12.09 | cydork | bahh .. |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | beware .. liable is near |
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| 15:13.05 | cydork | heh |
| 15:13.17 | OA_ | bah humbug |
| 15:14.12 | Plasm0 | $ man a2enmod |
| 15:14.12 | Plasm0 | No manual entry for a2enmod |
| 15:14.31 | Plasm0 | O_O |
| 15:14.41 | Plasm0 | im using apache not apache2 |
| 15:14.57 | Plasm0 | maybe I should use apache2? |
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| 15:16.38 | abrotman | in apache .. it should just be commented out in the conf file |
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| 15:16.53 | OA_ | x_link; so you're simply male then? bummer :( Thought all my dream had come true (LOL) j/k |
| 15:17.07 | x_link | hehe |
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| 15:18.57 | cr3 | what is the adm group? |
| 15:19.37 | OA_ | cr3; advanced dementia mentality? |
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| 15:19.43 | OA_ | j/k |
| 15:20.01 | Ronin | OA_: do you have a debian question? |
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| 15:21.25 | petemc | cr3: find / -group adm |
| 15:21.55 | cr3 | petemc: yeah, I just found a bunch of files under /var/log owned by the adm group. seems it's used for monitoring purposes. |
| 15:22.10 | petemc | right |
| 15:22.20 | OA_ | Ronin; Am here to learn. I have many questions yet often wait to see what other, more informed people ask so I may not make an idiot of myself. |
| 15:22.21 | petemc | for giving people access to the logs |
| 15:22.43 | jelly | no backports for etch yet? |
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| 15:23.18 | OA_ | Ronin; sometimes I may inject what I deem as humour, it is not meant as offence, or to deter from the seriousness or insight this channel and its occupants have to offer |
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| 15:23.52 | azeem | jelly: no |
| 15:24.43 | OA_ | Ronin; did that answer your query in a satisfactory manner? |
| 15:25.25 | adrakoa | hehe |
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| 15:26.01 | jelly | ah, deterring from insight is a good thing to do |
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| 15:27.58 | OA_ | jelly; lol |
| 15:28.15 | erikja | !xserver |
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| 15:30.24 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 15:30.24 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
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| 15:36.24 | dave132356 | hi, can anyone help me to pipe a textfile to konsoles stdin? |
| 15:36.53 | SlayerXP | dave132356: I think I speak for the rest of the channel when I say "eh?" |
| 15:37.01 | twobitsprite | dave132356: something like 'konsole < file.txt'? |
| 15:37.26 | twobitsprite | dave132356: yeah, I'm not quite sure I understand either |
| 15:37.30 | dave132356 | twobitsprite, that opens a konsole window but doesnt execute any of the commands in the file.txt |
| 15:37.42 | xand | it's a script? |
| 15:37.48 | twobitsprite | ohh... you want to run a script in konsole? |
| 15:37.49 | xand | chmod +x file.txt; ./file.txt |
| 15:38.02 | xand | you don't pipe scripts into stdin |
| 15:38.31 | twobitsprite | konsole probably has an option to execute a program other than the shell... it's probably '-e'... but man konsole |
| 15:38.35 | dalias | he might want to just pre-run some extra commands then leave the shell open |
| 15:38.39 | dave132356 | xand i want to send commands to the stdin of konsole, ./ wont work for what i want |
| 15:38.47 | dalias | rather than only running a script |
| 15:38.54 | xand | dave132356: why do you? |
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| 15:39.08 | dalias | or, he might want to control an interactive app in the konsole |
| 15:39.14 | dalias | like mutt or pine or something |
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| 15:39.31 | twobitsprite | dave132356: what exactly are you trying to do |
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| 15:39.51 | dave132356 | i have a java program, and i want to write to a fifo file and have konsole read from it, eg "mkfifo mycomms" "myprog|mycomms|konsole" |
| 15:40.06 | dave132356 | or "myprog>mycomms|konsole" |
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| 15:40.29 | twobitsprite | so, you want to view the output of a program in a konsole window? |
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| 15:40.42 | slothery | hi there |
| 15:40.44 | dave132356 | the program will send commands to the konsole window |
| 15:41.30 | dave132356 | i can do the first bit, creating the fifo and writing to it, but i cant figure out how to get konsole to read from it |
| 15:41.33 | dalias | dave132356, keep in mind this will interfere badly if you manually type anything into the konsole window |
| 15:41.38 | dalias | with that said... |
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| 15:41.44 | dalias | screen provides the ability you want |
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| 15:42.17 | dalias | you can either send keystrokes to screen with screen -X stuff "string" |
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| 15:42.44 | dalias | or you can use screen's exec command (very complicated, read the manual) to route output from another process to the terminal's stdin |
| 15:42.54 | slothery | I am trying to set up an mumble server on debian pre etch (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/) but when I do a dpkg -i mumble-server_0.9.4_i386.deb I get the following error: |
| 15:42.54 | slothery | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.55 | slothery | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.58 | dave132356 | thank you :) |
| 15:43.06 | lero_ | hey, i'm using a daily build iso etch and it's locking when i boot |
| 15:43.13 | lero_ | at my sata controller |
| 15:43.14 | dalias | either way, you need to run the program inside screen |
| 15:43.14 | dalias | so |
| 15:43.22 | dalias | konsole->screen->your_program |
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| 15:43.29 | dalias | instead of just konsole->your_program |
| 15:43.30 | lero_ | it appears |
| 15:43.42 | lero_ | ->handle_irq(); xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 15:43.47 | lero_ | ->chip(); xxxxxxx |
| 15:43.56 | lero_ | ->action(); 000000000 |
| 15:43.59 | lero_ | irq_disabled set |
| 15:44.00 | dalias | hey guys i have a question |
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| 15:44.12 | lero_ | unexpected irq trap at vector b0 |
| 15:44.18 | lero_ | anyone know how can i fix this? |
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| 15:44.28 | dalias | is lack of utf-8 support considered a bug worth reporting, when the upstream package also lacks utf-8 support? |
| 15:45.50 | dave132356 | dalias, ok thanks, i'm reading about screen now, but i would imagine it would be myprogram>screen>konsole rather than konsole>screen>myprogram, hopefully that wont make any difference? |
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| 15:46.58 | dalias | the arrows are not pipes |
| 15:47.06 | dalias | i just mean screen needs to run inside konsole |
| 15:47.16 | dalias | and then your app that you want to remote-control needs to run inside screen |
| 15:47.37 | dalias | your controlling app (the one sending the keystrokes) can be anywhere |
| 15:47.39 | dave132356 | i want to remote-control konsole, not the app |
| 15:47.46 | dalias | what do you mean? |
| 15:48.05 | dalias | please explain in more detail because that makes no sense |
| 15:48.23 | dalias | all konsole does with the keystrokes it gets is send them to the app running inside it (on its pseudo-terminal) |
| 15:48.34 | dalias | so i don't know what "remote-control konsole" means... |
| 15:48.54 | dave132356 | myprogram will send commands to the konsole, so say the user clicks some button in my program, the program then tells konsole to execute a command, say "ls /" |
| 15:49.39 | jelly | slothery: your deb package wasn't built with etch in mind. |
| 15:50.26 | dalias | dave132356, konsole does not execute commands |
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| 15:50.31 | dalias | the shell executes commands |
| 15:50.54 | dalias | konsole merely provides a terminal in which the shell displays its output and from which it receives its input |
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| 15:52.03 | dalias | what i think might be best for your situation.... |
| 15:52.10 | dalias | well |
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| 15:52.17 | dalias | do you want to also be able to interactively control the shell? |
| 15:52.27 | dalias | i.e. manually type "ls /" yourself |
| 15:52.31 | dave132356 | that would be nice, |
| 15:52.32 | dalias | or only do it via the button? |
| 15:52.42 | twobitsprite | dave132356: you just want your program to execute commands? do you really need a terminal open for this? can you just execute the commands from within your app? |
| 15:52.48 | dalias | well what should happen if i've already typed "rm -rf" |
| 15:52.52 | dalias | and then you press the button |
| 15:53.04 | dalias | should it add to the end of the line and do: "rm -rf ls /" |
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| 15:53.13 | dalias | (which would remove the whole system if you're root :) |
| 15:53.34 | teclo- | Hello. It appears cdimage.debian.org no longer accepts http connections. What is going on ? Thank you. |
| 15:53.34 | dave132356 | yes, i'm the only one going to be using the program |
| 15:54.07 | dave132356 | adding it to the end of the line would be fine |
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| 15:54.31 | dellthinker | Can anyone tell me how to block an address with hosts.deny ? |
| 15:54.36 | dellthinker | The format... |
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| 15:54.50 | twobitsprite | dellthinker: man hosts.deny |
| 15:55.32 | dave132356 | twobitsprite no that wont work, i need a terminal window open |
| 15:56.04 | twobitsprite | dave132356: you might be better off just writing a terminal-looking window in your app.... I don't think konsole was designed to do what you want |
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| 15:56.23 | kevinl-- | is there a debian package for a sun java plugin for firefox |
| 15:56.44 | dave132356 | twobitsprite i cant do that, i have to do it this way |
| 15:56.56 | jelly | dave132356: what are you really trying to do? |
| 15:57.02 | twobitsprite | kevinl--: apt-cache search sun-java |
| 15:57.20 | twobitsprite | dave132356: I don't think it's possible... |
| 15:57.27 | twobitsprite | dave132356: and why does it have to be that way? |
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| 15:57.47 | dave132356 | jelly i'm writing an IDE for a scripting programming language called K, which runs in a terminal window |
| 15:57.49 | kevinl-- | twobitsprite: do you know if you need to have non-free in apt sources , probably do huh |
| 15:57.51 | twobitsprite | kevinl--: er, sorry... didn't notice that you were looking for the plugin |
| 15:59.11 | twobitsprite | dave132356: why does it have to run in a terminal window? couldn't you just read from it's stdout and display that? |
| 15:59.53 | twobitsprite | kevinl--: not sure... I hate java applets, so I never install it |
| 16:00.06 | teclo- | can one of you fellows tell me what the md5sum for debian-testing-powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso is ? From here http://cdimage.debian.org/ no longer answers.... |
| 16:00.43 | jelly | dave132356: are you positive it has to run in a terminal, with an allocated tty? you can't run it like /usr/bin/k < my-socket > my-socket 2> my-socket ? |
| 16:00.53 | teclo- | Looking up cdimage.debian.org |
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| 16:00.53 | teclo- | socket failed: family 10 addr 2001:6b0:e:2018::137 port 80. |
| 16:00.54 | teclo- | Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. |
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| 16:00.55 | dave132356 | twobitsprite because that would take days, all i want to do is "file|konsole" much as u would do "ls /|grep java". i never realised things were so inconsistent in linux |
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| 16:01.53 | twobitsprite | dave132356: it's not a matter of inconsistancy... it's a matter of how terminals work in linux |
| 16:01.56 | dellthinker | geeks :P |
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| 16:02.53 | dave132356 | twobitsprite, i thought that all programs would be handled in the same way thats all, but terminals are special apparently |
| 16:02.55 | twobitsprite | dave132356: grep is designed to work on processing arbitrary text... konsole on the other hand is designed to provide a graphical interface to a terminal shell |
| 16:03.29 | twobitsprite | dave132356: firefox is also "special"... as well as totem, and most graphical programs don't just read arbitrary stuff from stdin |
| 16:03.56 | dave132356 | but it does, it reads from the keyboard |
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| 16:04.26 | twobitsprite | dave132356: you mean konsole does? reading from the keyboard is not the same as reading from stdin |
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| 16:05.57 | twobitsprite | anyways... I have a problem of my own I need to figure out... I just installed debian etch on a dell inspiron e1405 laptop, and I can't get audio to work... anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:06.35 | ifireball | twobitsprite: any idea what kind of sound hardware does it have? |
| 16:07.00 | twobitsprite | lspci says: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 16:08.14 | ifireball | I suppose that hotplug doesn't detect it for you for some way, so you can just configure it manulally |
| 16:08.29 | ifireball | s/way/reason/ |
| 16:09.10 | ifireball | e.g. go to ALSA's website, and figure out which snd-xxx module you need for it |
| 16:09.29 | twobitsprite | ifireball: cool, thanks |
| 16:09.49 | Hirs | twobitsprite: snd_hda_intel ? |
| 16:09.56 | ifireball | I guess you'll take it from there? |
| 16:10.12 | twobitsprite | hmm... I'm not sure how to install an alsa driver |
| 16:10.24 | twobitsprite | it's always just worked before |
| 16:10.39 | Hirs | twobitsprite: try modprobe snd_hda_intel |
| 16:10.52 | ifireball | twobitsprite: you don't need to actually install it, its probably already installed only your system doesn't figure out it need to load it |
| 16:11.01 | ifireball | needs* |
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| 16:11.51 | twobitsprite | ahh... after trying it with madplay, it seems its a permissions problem... can I just chmod /dev/dsp? |
| 16:12.01 | ifireball | twobitsprite: not really |
| 16:12.13 | ifireball | twobitsprite: it won't really work that well with UDEV |
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| 16:12.32 | ifireball | twobitsprite: you probably just need to add your user to the "audio" group |
| 16:12.43 | twobitsprite | ifireball: yeah, I was just going to say that :P |
| 16:13.09 | twobitsprite | hmm... why is it sometimes when I change my user's group info, it seems I have to log-out and back in, but sometimes I don't...? |
| 16:13.49 | ifireball | twobitsprite: afaik you always need to log out, maybe some programs run as login shells |
| 16:14.15 | twobitsprite | ahh... that makes sense... in fact, the only time I don't (now that I think about it) is sudo... |
| 16:14.16 | Hirs | I have Debian installed on a hardware RAID1, when I boot the disc is sometimes named as sda and sometimes as sdb |
| 16:14.22 | twobitsprite | ok, I'll brb |
| 16:14.56 | Hirs | any one knows why is switching the disc name? |
| 16:15.31 | ifireball | Hirs: I think that really depends on the hardware and how its configured |
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| 16:16.19 | \amethyst | Hirs: Perhaps you can refer to your volumes by UUID or label instead? |
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| 16:16.37 | twobitsprite | sweet... it works... thanks all |
| 16:16.38 | Hirs | it's fustrating, because if I change sda to sdb in fstab the next boot is sda, and the other way around |
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| 16:17.28 | Hirs | \amethyst: I prefer not to mess with UUID |
| 16:17.29 | ifireball | Hirs: see \amethyst's tip |
| 16:18.04 | \amethyst | Hirs: labels then? |
| 16:18.05 | ifireball | Hirs: you can label the filesystem, and identify it by label in fstab |
| 16:18.32 | \amethyst | and to lilo/grub |
| 16:19.04 | \amethyst | Once udev is running you can even access the device node by label or uuid in /dev/disk/by-{label,uuid} |
| 16:19.35 | Hirs | ifireball: how can I set a label to a fs? |
| 16:20.33 | \amethyst | Hirs: what filesyste? |
| 16:20.34 | ifireball | \amethyst: is there a device renaming system in debian a-la redhat's /etc/hardware.conf ? (I never bothered tio check...) |
| 16:20.34 | \amethyst | ifireball: udev configuration |
| 16:20.34 | Hirs | \amethyst: ext3 |
| 16:20.34 | twobitsprite | hmm... in gnomebaker, when I try to create and audio cd and click "add files" it says "The plugin to handle a file of type application/x-desktop is not installed." ??? |
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| 16:20.43 | \amethyst | Hirs: tune2fs /dev/sda1 -L "root" |
| 16:20.50 | \amethyst | That will label sda1 as "root" |
| 16:21.01 | ifireball | twobitsprite: could it be you're dragging dektop links rathetr then the actual files? |
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| 16:21.11 | yipstar | hello. i have a quick unix question, is there a way to pipe a pid number into kill? |
| 16:21.21 | twobitsprite | ifireball: I'm not dragging anything... it says that as soon as I click "add files" |
| 16:21.22 | \amethyst | Hirs: Then in fstab, lilo config (and probably grub config) you can use "LABEL=root" as a device |
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| 16:21.25 | yipstar | say cat some_pid_file.pid | kill -9 |
| 16:21.28 | ifireball | yipstar: use xargs |
| 16:21.39 | dalias | kill -9 `cat pidfile` |
| 16:21.39 | yipstar | ifireball: ah right xargs |
| 16:21.40 | yipstar | ty |
| 16:21.40 | \amethyst | err? |
| 16:21.47 | dalias | or xargs would work, yes |
| 16:21.51 | Hirs | \amethyst: ok, thank you |
| 16:22.18 | yipstar | dalias: i always forget about that `` command execution. |
| 16:22.20 | dalias | or if you want the optimal way (no forks necessary with a good shell): |
| 16:22.21 | yipstar | thanks guys |
| 16:22.28 | \amethyst | Hirs: UUID is a little safer |
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| 16:22.42 | dalias | read pid < pidfile ; kill -9 "$pid" |
| 16:22.49 | \amethyst | Hirs: since it's always possible that another FS you plug in has the same label, but the UUIDs should be different |
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| 16:23.24 | \amethyst | Hirs: That said, I use label not UUID :) |
| 16:24.09 | kevinl-- | god dammit , i hit ctrl+z and killed apt-get , now the admin files are locked or some crap. anyone know how to remedy this? |
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| 16:24.42 | ifireball | <\amethyst> ifireball: udev configuration <- that would be one nasty bug for it to name devices incosistantly... |
| 16:25.16 | Hirs | \amethyst: jeje, I had some problems with UUID in ubuntu (never used in Debian though), I'll make sure there isn't 2 fs with the same label |
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| 16:26.21 | yipstar | dalias: very cool, i did know about read. i'm reading the man page now. |
| 16:26.21 | \amethyst | ifireball: I don't think it even tries to make the hdaN names consistent |
| 16:26.28 | yipstar | did not know that is |
| 16:26.28 | \amethyst | ifireball: that's what /dev/disk/ is for |
| 16:26.35 | aterra | hi i'm trying to get courier working on my deb box, i had it working but suddently it stopped working, if i try to send mails to my machine i get the response Authentication requireq and in /var/log/mail.log it says error,relay authentication required. So i think it is because it doesn't regonize my domain, and if i run courier-mtaconfig |grep "esmtpacceptmailfor", it just responds with the hostname of the computer, not with the domainname, i |
| 16:26.38 | \amethyst | s/consistent/persistent/ |
| 16:27.45 | \amethyst | ifireball: besides, those devices got named before user space was even up |
| 16:28.11 | dalias | yipstar, if you learn shell internal commands like read, case, etc. and how to use them effectively, you can right very-fast shell scripts that don't have to run external programs much :) |
| 16:28.40 | \amethyst | Or you could use perl as your shell |
| 16:28.43 | ifireball | \amethyst: that being said, it is supposed to use the same algorithen to name then every time the system loads give one didn't change hardware configuration |
| 16:28.48 | simonrvn | s,right,write, |
| 16:29.12 | OA_ | thanks all for the learning - have a great Easter :) |
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| 16:29.46 | ifireball | aterra: you can start by making sure you server knows its own domain name with "dnsdomainname" |
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| 16:30.37 | aterra | ifireball-> thanks for the tip... surprisingly it didn't... |
| 16:31.14 | jetscreamer | hey sudo just started asking me for my password ... wtf |
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| 16:31.26 | rob_w | hi |
| 16:31.32 | jetscreamer | no it's not set up to time out |
| 16:31.46 | jetscreamer | i've been sudo'ing like this for at least a year |
| 16:31.47 | rob_w | are the Xorg 7.2 stuff already packaged ? |
| 16:32.08 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: were you the user you thought you were? |
| 16:32.24 | jetscreamer | \amethyst: there's me, and there's root |
| 16:32.24 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: and not sshed somewhere else? :) |
| 16:32.28 | jetscreamer | local |
| 16:32.29 | ifireball | jetscreamer: check that your /etc/sudoers wasn't updated by debconf? |
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| 16:32.37 | jetscreamer | i looked, still the same |
| 16:32.53 | h3sp4wn | rob_w: Was (experimental has moved on) |
| 16:33.02 | jetscreamer | ah wait... what's this up there |
| 16:33.12 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: you have NOPASSWD: still set in sudoers? |
| 16:33.17 | jetscreamer | Defaults env_reset i don't remember seeing that in sudoers before |
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| 16:33.29 | rob_w | h3sp4wn, i am debain newbee .. does it mean i need to set it experimental ? |
| 16:33.41 | h3sp4wn | !experimental |
| 16:33.42 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 16:33.55 | jetscreamer | it's been jetx ALL=(ALL) ALL for >1year, seriously |
| 16:33.56 | h3sp4wn | rob_w: You probably don't want stuff from experimental then |
| 16:34.16 | jetscreamer | rob_w: no, you do not want experimental |
| 16:34.22 | rob_w | h3sp4wn, i need to prove a feature |
| 16:34.23 | jetscreamer | sid 'maybe' |
| 16:34.24 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: Did it get restarted and forget you? |
| 16:34.30 | simonrvn | read the NEWS.Debian |
| 16:34.35 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ^^^ |
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| 16:34.46 | h3sp4wn | rob_w: It has most of xorg 7.2 but xserver-xorg-core 1.2.9xxxx |
| 16:34.49 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: is that on debian.org ? |
| 16:35.07 | rob_w | h3sp4wn, could be fine i need to get the very latest code of the intel video |
| 16:35.13 | simonrvn | sudo (1.6.8p12-5) unstable; urgency=low The sudo package is no longer configured --with-exempt=sudo. If you depend on members of group sudo being able to run sudo without needing a password, you will need to put "%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" in /etc/sudoers to preserve equivalent functionality. |
| 16:35.26 | jetscreamer | \amethyst: if i do enter the pw, it works... it just ... ahhhhhh |
| 16:35.29 | rob_w | can you guys guide me to get apt-get install XXX ? |
| 16:35.30 | jetscreamer | thankee dude |
| 16:35.31 | simonrvn | no, in the package ;) |
| 16:35.36 | simonrvn | np |
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| 16:36.13 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.15 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.05 | \amethyst | Hm... wonder if it's safe to get rid of group sudo, then? |
| 16:37.37 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 16:37.48 | rob_w | h3sp4wn, what do i need to do to get them ? |
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| 16:38.13 | jetscreamer | thanks simonrvn , and \amethyst and ifireball |
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| 16:38.23 | simonrvn | :) |
| 16:39.01 | jetscreamer | the " and the % 'seem' to be not needed btw |
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| 16:39.21 | simonrvn | % is for a group |
| 16:39.38 | jetscreamer | hmm. i didn't put it, but it worked. |
| 16:39.55 | h3sp4wn | rob_w: I cannot tell you how to do it (people would complain if I did) aptitude install foo/experimental or apt-get install -t experimental could help |
| 16:40.03 | simonrvn | now thinks it's for sudo user |
| 16:40.22 | h3sp4wn | rob_w: Read the developer reference and the aptitude guide and you will know how to do it |
| 16:40.29 | jetscreamer | si... but it works. i'll put it and see what happens. |
| 16:40.36 | simonrvn | ..and break stuff |
| 16:40.38 | rob_w | yeah ,, but i like to chat ;-) |
| 16:40.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 16:40.42 | rob_w | tahnks |
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| 16:40.54 | jetscreamer | still works |
| 16:40.58 | ifireball | rob_w: to get the very very latest, d/l/ directly from the developer's site, otherwise you'll just get the latest version that has been packeged to debian |
| 16:41.37 | rob_w | ifireball, is a tricky at this .. i did try to build xorg latest the last day |
| 16:41.55 | jetscreamer | rob_w: if you really want to break stuff, there's an example of an experimental line in http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 16:42.35 | jetscreamer | at the bottom |
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| 16:42.55 | rob_w | jetscreamer, i wanna make sure that it only updates Xorg stuff .. no glibc or crap ... the system is 400km away |
| 16:43.01 | JonLin | well, son of a bitch... |
| 16:43.11 | jetscreamer | rob_w: then you want apt-pinning i think |
| 16:43.15 | h3sp4wn | There is some intel cards whereby you cannot get a decent res without that version of X |
| 16:43.17 | JonLin | the libswfdec0.4 package from unstable dpkg-ed fine on etch! |
| 16:43.32 | h3sp4wn | JonLin: etch and unstable have the same toolchain currently |
| 16:43.55 | JonLin | h3sp4wn: shit... that means I've wasted half my day trying to compile it from source... |
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| 16:44.16 | jetscreamer | never a waste to learn.... |
| 16:44.25 | ifireball | rob_w: if it's a production system I'd recommand agains any kind of messing around like that |
| 16:44.27 | jetscreamer | maybe not highly efficient, but.. |
| 16:44.54 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get DRI working on my card: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M 01:05.0 0300: 1002:4337 |
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| 16:45.03 | SerajewelKS | google isn't helping here, it says everything should be working fine |
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| 16:45.17 | Reiser_x | hi |
| 16:45.19 | h3sp4wn | JonLin: There is a factoid for using a testing/unstable mix (default testing) but I forget the trigger !quick etch->sid mix or something |
| 16:45.23 | SerajewelKS | xdriinfo says "Screen 0: radeon" and that's it |
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| 16:45.41 | Reiser_x | somebody here know something about gnugk? |
| 16:45.46 | Reiser_x | gatekeeper |
| 16:45.47 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should know.. |
| 16:45.49 | h3sp4wn | JonLin: Once etch is released you cannot do that though |
| 16:46.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: according to the log, dri is working fine |
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| 16:46.57 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: this means that some of your libraries is broken |
| 16:47.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: shall i pastebin? |
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| 16:47.13 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: libs are latest etch |
| 16:47.47 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you could pastebin, but i know you are qualified to read Xorg.0.log ... |
| 16:48.15 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: there are warnings about the 3d acceleration, not sure what to make of them |
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| 16:48.19 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: it can be a permissions issue too |
| 16:48.21 | rob_w | jetscreamer, apt-pinning sounds neat |
| 16:48.39 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: any clues how to get started debugging it then? |
| 16:48.44 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: try sudo driiinfo, see if that works |
| 16:48.51 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: try sudo xdriinfo, see if that works |
| 16:49.06 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: same output |
| 16:49.07 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: or sudo glxgears... |
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| 16:49.29 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: im not sure either what to make of the output you mentioned above, maybe glxgears / glxinfo are better |
| 16:49.30 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: heh guess i'll need to install that then |
| 16:49.58 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: hmm, its possible that you just never installed the libraries needed |
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| 16:50.02 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no glxinfo in path |
| 16:50.06 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: probably |
| 16:50.21 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: mesa-utils |
| 16:50.43 | SerajewelKS | waiting for update |
| 16:50.48 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its certainly a library issue, either broken or not installed. |
| 16:50.59 | JonLin | why does EVERY *.swf trigger bugs in libswfdec/swf-player... |
| 16:51.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: usual reasons for break would be installing proprietary drivrs like nvidia or fglrx.. |
| 16:51.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i tried fglrx once, it didn't work with this card |
| 16:51.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: using the debs |
| 16:52.16 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: make you you dont still have any fglrx package or nvidia package installed |
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| 16:52.36 | crazy_penguin | Hi all! |
| 16:52.38 | jetscreamer | is there an fglrxinfo ? |
| 16:52.41 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: once nvidia is installed, you could not just switch to a different driver w/o removing the package |
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| 16:53.24 | jetscreamer | i mean, i know there is one, but does it come with the debian fglrx |
| 16:53.27 | rob_w | jetscreamer, will i be prompted for each package ? |
| 16:53.31 | jetscreamer | or is it just the ati version |
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| 16:53.40 | jetscreamer | rob_w: ? huh? |
| 16:53.43 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:53.46 | jetscreamer | i don't think so |
| 16:53.52 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 16:54.06 | rob_w | ok |
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| 16:54.19 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 16:54.26 | Rhab | hi |
| 16:54.29 | aterra | got it to show the right domain name with dnsdomainname now, which changed esmtpacceptmailfor: to hostname.domainname, shouldn't this just have been the domainname? in my config i have the server behind a firewall using nat to receive mail, my /etc/hostname contains hostname hostname.domain and my /etc/hosts contains ip hostname.domainname hostname. Is this set up correctly ? |
| 16:54.44 | Reiser_x | how can i register my nick? |
| 16:54.45 | bobesponja | how can I add rep to my PATH so that even when I open another shell, it's still in my PATH? |
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| 16:55.26 | bobesponja | Reiser_x: /msg NickServ help |
| 16:55.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nod, why would i install nvidia on this box |
| 16:56.17 | ifireball | bobesponja: that depends on the shell and DE you use |
| 16:56.51 | bobesponja | ifireball: bash and kde |
| 16:57.09 | ifireball | bobesponja: you can probably set it in ~/.bash_profile |
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| 16:57.27 | bobesponja | ifireball: what if I want to add it to every users? |
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| 16:57.39 | ifireball | bobesponja: set it in /etc/profile |
| 16:58.30 | ifireball | bobesponja: preferably is a file in /etc/profile.d (not sure that exists on Debian) |
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| 16:58.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: fglrx was installed |
| 16:58.40 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: restarting X |
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| 16:59.00 | bobesponja | ifireball: what do you use? |
| 17:00.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: restarting X shouldnt be required |
| 17:00.40 | ifireball | bobesponja: well this system is a half-broken libranet that that was force-converted to a Debian, so don't take it as an example... I'm just too lazy to ssh to a real Debian currently and check... |
| 17:01.09 | bobesponja | ifireball: :) ok I can confirm it's just /etc/profile though |
| 17:01.46 | ifireball | bobesponja: well my nearby friendly sarge server does have /etc/profile.d YMMV I guess |
| 17:02.05 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yeah just making sure |
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| 17:02.17 | bobesponja | ifireball: that's weird, I'm on etch though |
| 17:02.28 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: because xdriinfo still says the same thing. but now i'm wondering if what it's saying is that dri *is* working. |
| 17:02.54 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: glxinfo output is promising, trying stepmania |
| 17:03.32 | ifireball | bobesponja: oh my typo must have confused you, what I mean is that its "cleaner" to add a file in /etc/profile.d if your system supports it rather then change /etc/profile |
| 17:03.43 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i think xdriinfo is and was saying that dri was enabled, but that doesnt affect the functionality of your libGL.so |
| 17:04.09 | \amethyst | bobesponja: if you want to add something to your path |
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| 17:04.12 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the library that will be changed if you either install nvidia or fglrx |
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| 17:04.46 | pablo_ | hi, why isnt nvu on debian repos? |
| 17:04.51 | bobesponja | ifireball: oh ok, thanx |
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| 17:05.09 | \amethyst | bobesponja: /etc/login.defs doesn't depend on a particular shell |
| 17:05.21 | bobesponja | ok |
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| 17:06.28 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nod, it's working now, thanks for the help |
| 17:06.30 | hugle | Heya all. My quad core should arrive in 1-2 days. I have checked Linux source I find only dual core processors there, is it possible that Linux doesn't yet support a quad core ? |
| 17:06.47 | hugle | Or maybe I should enable dual core and SMP ? |
| 17:07.03 | pablo_ | hi, why isnt nvu on debian repos? |
| 17:07.30 | valdyn | hugle: where do you see a dual core switch in linux? |
| 17:07.46 | deadcat | pablo_: whats nvu? |
| 17:07.49 | hugle | valdyn: sec, I check the menuconfig |
| 17:08.17 | valdyn | hugle: there's smt and smp support. You just need smp, though having smt does not hurt |
| 17:08.33 | pablo_ | deadcat: nvu.com |
| 17:08.38 | deadcat | thats ok. |
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| 17:09.36 | hugle | valdyn: in processor family I see: ( ) Core 2/newer Xeon |
| 17:09.41 | stew | pablo_: check wnpp to see if there is a rfp or a itp filed, if not, consider filing an rfp. (/msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg itp) |
| 17:09.45 | valdyn | hugle: linux supports something like 128 cores, theoretically. It doesnt matter across how many chips they are spread. |
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| 17:10.03 | hugle | valdyn: :) |
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| 17:10.13 | valdyn | hugle: ok, that switch just optimises for a specific cpu architecture, it does not care about the number of cores |
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| 17:10.21 | abrotman | pablo_: the iceape/mozilla thing should work ? |
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| 17:10.56 | valdyn | hugle: guess your cpu is a core 2 anyway, a core 2 quad |
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| 17:11.16 | hugle | valdyn: so in fact I need only SMP ? Evene pentium4 left in the family would give the fullout for quad-core ? |
| 17:11.30 | hugle | valdyn: well, smth like this - core2 quad |
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| 17:11.36 | valdyn | hugle: sure |
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| 17:12.00 | valdyn | hugle: smt is a special case, what you have though is 4 processors just in one physical chip |
| 17:12.29 | tvynr | I'm writing a script to simplify file distribution on my server by accepting a file, building a .torrent from it, storing both files in a known location and adding them appropriately to a tracker and daemonized client. I'd like this script to be runnable by any users in a specific user group ("torrent"). Some of the subprograms want to be run by the daemon owner (user "torrent"). Anyone have any suggestions how I'd design this script? |
| 17:12.35 | hugle | valdyn : it virtually makes 1CPU of 4 CPUs ? |
| 17:12.55 | valdyn | hugle: no, they are putting 4 complete cpu in one 'chip' |
| 17:13.05 | \amethyst | tvynr: what language of script? |
| 17:13.18 | tvynr | \amethyst: bash right now, although I'm open to Python if necessary |
| 17:13.23 | hugle | valdyn: thank you very much for the tips |
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| 17:14.09 | tvynr | \amethyst: I had tried to SGID the script and chown it to torrent:torrent. Then I found out about how Linux doesn't honor SGID on interpreted files. :-P |
| 17:14.13 | bird | is there any way to boss one of the chips around on a dual chip board? |
| 17:14.19 | \amethyst | tvynr: sudo |
| 17:14.37 | valdyn | bird: try yelling at it? |
| 17:14.38 | tvynr | \amethyst: Nothing more elegant, huh? I was kind of afraid of that. |
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| 17:14.54 | bird | can you shut one off? |
| 17:14.58 | \amethyst | tvynr: Allow users in group torrent to become user torrent without a password if they're executing that script |
| 17:15.37 | \amethyst | tvynr: something like %torrent ALL=(torrent) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/myscript |
| 17:16.20 | ifireball | tvynr: linux doesn't actually prevent SGID in interpreted files it just prevents it for child processes |
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| 17:16.42 | simonrvn | i see that as a security measure =) |
| 17:16.44 | tvynr | \amethyst: Ah... yes, that's nicer. Not to mention that the script can check for UID=torrent and run the sudo itself (to make things transparent). |
| 17:16.56 | \amethyst | tvynr: then you should have two scripts |
| 17:16.57 | ifireball | tvynr: but SUID/SGIDing a shell script is almost always a bad idea |
| 17:17.01 | tvynr | \amethyst: I was hoping for something that could be done in the init script of a .deb, though. |
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| 17:17.12 | grendal_prime | im getting these io error dev hda sector 23456789 |
| 17:17.21 | \amethyst | tvynr: The init script gets run as root |
| 17:17.22 | grendal_prime | basically a failing hd right? |
| 17:17.27 | \amethyst | tvynr: root can sudo to anybody |
| 17:17.31 | Reiser_x | what is the command to register my nick |
| 17:17.32 | bird | i cant enable direct rendering in my card im so sad |
| 17:17.35 | hugle | grendal_prime: try changing IDE cable also |
| 17:17.39 | simonrvn | grendal_prime: yeh, get your data off |
| 17:18.05 | mfrisch | grendal_prime: most likely but you can do a /dev/urandom on it and see if it will work for awile |
| 17:18.10 | valdyn | grendal_prime: not a failing hd, more like a failed hd |
| 17:18.15 | \amethyst | tvynr: One script does the work and assumes it is group torrent. The other script is just "exec sudo -u torrent /usr/local/bin/firstscript" |
| 17:18.17 | aterra | trying to get my courier mailserver working, sending a mail to the server gives the following reply 535 authentication required, if i run courier-mtaconfig | grep "acceptmailfor" it is set to hostname.domainname, if i run dnsdomainname it reply's with my domainname, i have checked my esmtpacceptmailfor.dir and contains my domain name, and i've ran makeacceptmailfor as well. Any suggestions? |
| 17:18.37 | valdyn | grendal_prime: but the reason for something like this could just aswell be a power 'error' or cabling |
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| 17:19.11 | \amethyst | tvynr: Presumably you allow root to sudo to anybody, so the second script will work for root as well as group torrent |
| 17:19.24 | tvynr | \amethyst: Can't I just put "[ "$(id -un)" != "torrent" ] && exec sudo -u torrent "$0" at the top of the script? |
| 17:19.44 | broekd_ | how do i find out superblock start and size , i am in a busybox trying to repair corrupted fs with fsck.ext3 -b start -B size /dev/hdaX . |
| 17:19.54 | \amethyst | tvynr: race condition |
| 17:19.57 | valdyn | tvynr: why 'exec' ? |
| 17:20.06 | \amethyst | valdyn: saves one PID |
| 17:20.09 | jair_ | I am so sorry guys, but I know there is a way i can tell debian to restrict access between user accounts, for exaple "user1" can not access to the "user2" home directory or directories and files. |
| 17:20.10 | bird | i constantly have chinese ip addresses in my router log that also irritates me |
| 17:20.10 | grendal_prime | hmm i ran the check and it fixed it.. |
| 17:20.13 | grendal_prime | thats werid |
| 17:20.14 | grendal_prime | fsck |
| 17:20.16 | jair_ | I think is dpkg something |
| 17:20.19 | grendal_prime | i had to run it twice though |
| 17:20.23 | tvynr | \amethyst: I'm not seeing a race condition there. Can you clarify? |
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| 17:20.40 | \amethyst | tvynr: they could symlink to the script, run the symlink, then before that line executes replace the link |
| 17:20.42 | mfrisch | bird you have a new friend ;-) |
| 17:21.01 | \amethyst | tvynr: instead of $0 use the full path to the script |
| 17:21.02 | bird | what do you think that means? |
| 17:21.02 | tvynr | ifireball: Actually, I'd rather not have to SUID/SGID anything. But I'd like anyone in a given group to be able to run a script as a specific user and I rather doubt there's another way to do that. |
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| 17:21.16 | tvynr | \amethyst: Aaah. Thanks. :) |
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| 17:22.04 | famir | any one nows who to " flushdns " in ubuntu ??? |
| 17:22.06 | anapivirtua | HiHan all |
| 17:22.07 | famir | any one nows who to " flushdns " in ubuntu ??? |
| 17:22.12 | valdyn | bird: nothing special, random bots from everywhere constantly knock on any computer that is on the internet |
| 17:22.13 | bird | last hop is sprint wongdong china |
| 17:23.03 | valdyn | famir: this is no ubuntu support channel, try #ubuntu |
| 17:23.12 | bird | i want to have somthing waiting for them when they do that but im not smart enough |
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| 17:23.51 | mfrisch | bird once I wouldn't worry check your say ssh log and see if they were trying there. |
| 17:24.02 | famir | any one nows who to " flushdns " ? |
| 17:24.15 | valdyn | famir: whatever that is |
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| 17:25.42 | schoppenhauer | is there some possibility to check the vaildity (i.e. via md5sum) of an older debian-testing-cd that i downloaded? |
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| 17:25.55 | Reiser2 | hi |
| 17:26.03 | bird | anyone have debian on anything other than a pc? |
| 17:26.18 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 17:26.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:26.24 | ifireball | tvynr: well, \amethyst suggestions seem reasonable, you can probably have sudo check for the group memebrship rather then the script, also, it'd be even safer to have the script run as the orignal user and execure sudo commands with sudo being very carefully configured to allow only the desiered things to execute |
| 17:26.31 | RichiH | bird: i have it on a cd and an usb stick |
| 17:26.34 | mfrisch | bird my horse runs lenny |
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| 17:26.48 | schoppenhauer | is there some possibility to check the vaildity (i.e. via md5sum) of an older debian-testing-cd that i downloaded? |
| 17:26.55 | wols | mfrisch: does it win? |
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| 17:27.02 | bird | i think a router would be cool |
| 17:27.02 | schoppenhauer | (sorry for double posting, wrong key) |
| 17:27.16 | wols | bird: soekris |
| 17:27.22 | RichiH | schoppenhauer: if you grabbed one of the weekly builds, i would not think so |
| 17:27.23 | mfrisch | wols: nope but I don't have to reboot in a full run |
| 17:27.42 | schoppenhauer | RichiH: Arent the MD5Sums saved somewhere? |
| 17:27.55 | ifireball | tvynr: in any cash by weary of possible hacks to you script done by modifying PATH or any other environment variables, like I said, shell scripts don't make for good security |
| 17:28.06 | RichiH | schoppenhauer: i don't think that they save them for all the weekly builds |
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| 17:28.34 | schoppenhauer | RichiH: ok. so i have no possibility :( |
| 17:28.43 | tvynr | ifireball: This strikes me as a rather inelegant solution and I'm trying to figure out what to do about it. I'm essentially trying to let users in :torrent add torrents to a local tracker/seed simply by specifying the file to seed (and then later remove the torrent by calling it by name). |
| 17:28.52 | tvynr | ifireball: And I get the impression I'm making things more complicated than they should be,. |
| 17:29.03 | schoppenhauer | Is there then at least a possibility to check, if gpg and the archives-keyring, a.s.o., which are installed, are valid? |
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| 17:29.46 | ifireball | tvynr: why not simply use a spool directory a-la LPD ? |
| 17:30.42 | ifireball | tvynr: e.g. have users add/remove file from a stickey directoy, and have a cron job/daemon do the rest |
| 17:31.16 | tvynr | ifireball: Well, I guess I could write a daemon to watch the spooling directory. I'm building this out of pieces; I have BTPD seeding and BitTornado tracking, but everything else I want automated is my business. |
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| 17:32.00 | tvynr | ifireball: It seems to be that there should be a simple tool for this simple task but I haven't found it yet. :-P Do you happen to know of a way in which I can "watch" a directory in bash or Python without polling? |
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| 17:32.41 | mfrisch | wols: again you may know...I installed xen and created a domU but it can't connect to the bridge. I get a error about hotplug, and remember cating something to /etc/udev/hotplug but I can not remember what do you know? |
| 17:32.42 | warjets | i'm using the current testing netinstall iso and i'm having issues picking up a Sony ddu1615 cd/dvd drive. what driver do i need to be using to get the net installer off the ground |
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| 17:34.12 | tvynr | ifireball: Also... a spooling scenario doesn't allow for much interactivity and I was hoping that users in :torrent could also query the system for a list of torrents and their respective statuses. |
| 17:34.20 | ifireball | tvynr: well I know its a capablity of newer kernels, it used to be done with a daemon called "FAM" befire it went into the kernel, I'm willing to bet on a python API but I don't know as far as to name it, why won't periodic polling be enough? |
| 17:35.01 | tvynr | ifireball: Ideally, I'd just write a mini-app for tracking and seeding... but I'm doing this because I'm about to distribute a project I've recently completed so now's not the time for starting a new one. :) |
| 17:35.21 | dalias | wow i'm impressed, the firefox with debian actually works |
| 17:35.32 | dalias | iceweasel rather :) |
| 17:35.43 | tvynr | ifireball: Well, I was hoping for better interactivity than one gets out of polling; interactivity from polling is a bit expensive. |
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| 17:35.47 | tvynr | dalias: :) |
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| 17:35.49 | Reiser2_ | hi |
| 17:35.52 | dalias | all other dists i've used it under, complex non-english text rendering is broken to hell |
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| 17:36.02 | dalias | the debian one even _prints_ correctly |
| 17:36.35 | tvynr | dalias: Cool. :) I'm rather fond of the setup, yeah. I just wish that Sun and Macrodobe would get off of their bums and implement us some 64-bit plugins. |
| 17:36.42 | abrotman | dalias: are you complaining? |
| 17:36.53 | dalias | nope, praising debian for doing it right |
| 17:37.07 | abrotman | don't tell your friends .. then they'll want to use it too! |
| 17:37.11 | dalias | :) |
| 17:37.19 | dalias | even ubuntu is broken |
| 17:37.33 | dalias | and ubuntu is supposed to be more "newbie friendly" and "works out of the box" |
| 17:37.35 | dalias | :) |
| 17:37.53 | PupenoR | Any ideas how to find out what's wrong with a particular Bacula FD that always gives me: "Fatal error: Network error with FD during Backup: ERR=Connection reset by peer" ? |
| 17:38.24 | ifireball | tvynr: you could have the poller poller create state files that can then be parsed by the user's status checking script |
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| 17:39.18 | ifireball | tvynr: isn't trying to setup a fully automated multi-user seeding system already an overkill if all you want to do is distribute a project? |
| 17:40.06 | tvynr | ifireball: Well, in the immediate sense I want to be able to log into the server using my normal user account and be able to command the daemon. But having the daemon run as me strikes me to be a very bad idea. |
| 17:40.08 | keith80403 | Debian is a superb distribution precisely because The Debian Project realizes that it takes time and effort to get things "right." |
| 17:40.15 | tvynr | ifireball: So I'm kind of trying to do it right. |
| 17:40.27 | mfrisch | tvynr: why not distribute it from a site? |
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| 17:41.08 | tvynr | mfrisch: Oh, I will. But I'm a bit short on bandwidth and the project is a ~100Mb CD ISO. So I figured I'd cap the HTTP download lower than I capped BitTorrent to encourage people to help me distribute it. |
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| 17:41.40 | tvynr | ifireball: *nods* With a polling frequency of only a couple seconds, said state files would be usable. This seems... silly. But I suppose that's the way it works. |
| 17:41.44 | mfrisch | tvynr: I meant more something like sourceforge? |
| 17:41.54 | tvynr | mfrisch: Ah. Hrm. |
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| 17:42.50 | tvynr | mfrisch: Frankly, I hadn't thought about SourceForge. I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to project distribution. I was just building this recovery CD 'cause I noticed half the tools already existed and I didn't want to pay $40 a pop to Norton. |
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| 17:43.07 | ifireball | tvynr: well, you can always "hack now, improve later" I.e. that would make a nice project to get right indeed |
| 17:43.14 | mfrisch | tvynr: unless you are bringing the next greatest betting software to linux.. |
| 17:43.38 | ifireball | tvynr: have you heared of "Linux rescue CD" ? |
| 17:43.42 | Hirs | Is there a way to set a module load priority at boot? |
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| 17:43.55 | mfrisch | tvynr: there are so many live cds. whats different? |
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| 17:44.02 | Reiser2 | i have registered my nick |
| 17:44.16 | Reiser2 | now i want to register a channel, how can i do it? |
| 17:44.27 | wols | Reiser2: /msg chanserv help |
| 17:44.42 | markybob | Reiser2: read the freenode faq |
| 17:45.10 | ifireball | Hirs: you mean besides adding it to /etc/modules ? |
| 17:45.28 | tvynr | ifireball, mfrisch: Oh, no. This is a Windows recovery CD creation platform. You boot it and point it at your Windows partition and it makes you a handly little image file with ntfsprogs and a bunch of other crap. Then, when your box is inevitably obliterated, you can restore it from the image. |
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| 17:46.08 | tvynr | ifireball, mfrisch: It's aimed at a couple audiences. Most notably different from the LiveCD projects I've found is that I'm trying to make it usable by people who use Windows and just barely know what a "partition" is. |
| 17:46.29 | mfrisch | tvynr: where is the images come from? |
| 17:46.37 | Reiser2 | how can i know if a channel is registered? |
| 17:46.51 | tvynr | mfrisch: How do you mean? What builds the images? |
| 17:46.54 | ifireball | tvynr: hmm, that might be useful indeed... too bad I don't run windows boxes any more... |
| 17:47.15 | tvynr | mfrisch: A combination between a mockery of Python by yours truly and ntfsclone. |
| 17:47.36 | mfrisch | tvynr: I mean are the backup images made available through cd network? |
| 17:47.59 | tvynr | mfrisch: You make the backup image yourself when things are working so you can restore it when things aren't. |
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| 17:48.13 | mfrisch | tvynr: to where!??! |
| 17:48.47 | Hirs | ifireball: yes, I want usb_storage to be loaded the last one, not automatically while booting |
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| 17:49.01 | tvynr | mfrisch: Oh, you wanna know where the image is stored? Current options are other hard drive partitions, writable optical disc, SMB share, or SSH. Or you can mount the target yourself. |
| 17:49.04 | esophagus | hi there |
| 17:49.26 | mfrisch | tvynr: ok. that is cool! |
| 17:49.42 | Gge | Hi , I have deleted the panel at bottom of the screen ( my mistake) . how to create it back ? |
| 17:49.43 | Hirs | ifireball: I have added it to the blacklist file, but this way I must load it manually |
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| 17:51.01 | Ronin | Gge: Start the "kcontrol" command and go into Desktop-> Taskbar. |
| 17:51.01 | tvynr | mfrisch: So I was going to distribute it from my little corner of the web (www.bahj.com) since I'm not using it for much at the moment. Hence my desire to set up a tracker and seeding system for .torrent files on my server box. |
| 17:51.01 | mfrisch | tvynr: another outlet that might host is http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 17:51.02 | Gge | no it is etch + gnome |
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| 17:51.02 | ifireball | tvynr: I see, so it only backs up a perticular pertition? one still needs to re-partition the drive on restore? |
| 17:51.02 | Ronin | ahh well that would have helped |
| 17:51.04 | esophagus | i installed apache from my sarge cds the other week and whatever howto i followed and after which it should have worked, in my browser i always get a CANNOT CONNECT TO SERVER. The same happened when I unpacked a XAMPP test environemt to fiddle with joomla. becomming root and running firefox didn't do it, nor could i ping the server |
| 17:51.05 | esophagus | PLS HELP |
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| 17:51.35 | PhinnFort | what is the minimum hardware requirements for debian? |
| 17:51.44 | PhinnFort | a pentium with 32 mb ram okay? |
| 17:51.55 | mfrisch | PhinnFort: for what? |
| 17:52.01 | PhinnFort | file serving |
| 17:52.08 | PhinnFort | nfs, probably |
| 17:52.12 | JonLin | If you're gonna install X then no way... |
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| 17:52.27 | PhinnFort | JonLin: i'm not crazy AND stupid;) |
| 17:52.29 | Gge | thx ronin anyway , i try to find out how to re-create the bottom panel with gnome desktop |
| 17:52.30 | JonLin | Haha! |
| 17:52.33 | mfrisch | PhinnFort: probally need more ram even for that..my system runs at 32mb at a base install |
| 17:52.44 | tvynr | ifireball: Yeah, kind of working on that at the moment. There's no UI partitioner at the moment, so the drive does need to be partitioned. But the restoration system takes care of setting the partition as bootable and type 0x07 as well as restoring the bootloader. |
| 17:52.51 | PhinnFort | i'm currently running DeLI linux on it just nicely, with X and everything |
| 17:52.53 | esophagus | I used X with Fluxbox on PII 233 with 32 MB RAM |
| 17:52.54 | JonLin | PhinnFort: More than I can say for me ;-) |
| 17:53.00 | PhinnFort | :P |
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| 17:53.06 | ifireball | esophagus: 1st make sure apache is running "ps -ef | grep apache" should return something other then "grep apache" |
| 17:53.13 | tvynr | ifireball: Oh, and the whole thing runs out of RAM so you can use the system on a box with only one disc drive if you want to burn a CD. </brag> |
| 17:53.14 | mfrisch | Gge: run gnome-panel |
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| 17:53.27 | JonLin | I have a G3 333 with 64megs running FLuxbox, that's fairly quick |
| 17:53.27 | Ronin | esophagus: also how are you trying to connect to the website? domain name? ip? |
| 17:53.35 | esophagus | ifireball: I did that. |
| 17:53.48 | mfrisch | tvynr: the whole thing is swapping mad |
| 17:53.51 | Gge | mfrish , thx |
| 17:54.01 | esophagus | tried everything, from typing 127.0.0.01 to typing the hostname |
| 17:54.10 | esophagus | with http, https |
| 17:54.16 | esophagus | :/ |
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| 17:54.31 | ifireball | esophagus: and? did you see apache processes running? |
| 17:54.43 | tvynr | mfrisch: Hrm. I'm not sure I understand the use of the word "swapping" as an adjective... can I ask you to clarify? |
| 17:54.48 | esophagus | i did, still nothing |
| 17:55.05 | esophagus | httpd is also running, though 4 or 5 instances of it |
| 17:55.07 | mfrisch | tvynr: useing as much or more swap then ram available |
| 17:55.45 | tvynr | esophagus: Do you see the port of the web server as being open if you: nmap -p PORT localhost |
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| 17:55.50 | ifireball | esophagus: kook, lets see which prot its listenning on run "netstat -ltpn | grep apache" as root |
| 17:55.52 | esophagus | tvnyr: OK, i'll try that when i get home. what should i do if the port is not opened? |
| 17:56.16 | tvynr | mfrisch: Ah. What's swapping mad? (My recovery system runs out of about 160Mb RAM comfortably at the moment; I can't swap 'cause I can't guarantee that the box will have any swap space for me to use.) |
| 17:56.55 | tvynr | mfrisch: Let me clarify: to which thing were you referring when you said "the whole thing is swapping mad"? |
| 17:56.55 | mfrisch | tvynr: don't waist your bandwidth hosting a 100mb file. yeah bittorent will help alot, because other people will be hosting to |
| 17:57.10 | Gge | mfrish , it works , but how to run it by default ( i mean without being obliged to run this omand ) |
| 17:57.15 | tvynr | mfrisch: Yeah, that's what I was hoping. Hence my desire to set up a tracking system. |
| 17:57.22 | mfrisch | tvynr: the 32mb system. |
| 17:57.38 | tvynr | mfrisch: Aaaaah. |
| 17:58.01 | tvynr | mfrisch: Sorry, I wasn't following the chat about the low memory systems. |
| 17:58.09 | mfrisch | tvynr: that is a little high for a live cd but I don't think too many people will make it a issue |
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| 17:58.49 | warjets | what driver is required for the sony ddu1615? i'm trying to use the net install cd with little luck |
| 17:59.37 | mfrisch | warjets: what is it a sata cdrom? |
| 17:59.38 | ifireball | actually what I'd love to see is systemimager support for windows, that THAT would be usefu |
| 17:59.38 | warjets | its ide |
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| 17:59.47 | mfrisch | warjets: it's a etch installer? |
| 17:59.54 | tvynr | mfrisch: Well, I'm using ntfsclone exclusively so I only support Windows 2000 and XP. (I still need to research the Vista boot process.) As a result, it's likely that any of these machines will have sufficient RAM for me to do my thing. I've got scribbles on the drawing board for allowing a reduced memory mode that doesn't support networking (since the networking stuff *does* take about 30-40Mb of unpacked space), but that's a while yet. |
| 18:00.04 | warjets | if etch is testing, then yes |
| 18:00.10 | warjets | ultimatley i want to be running sid |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 18:00.27 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 18:00.38 | mfrisch | tvynr: don't worry about it nt needs more than 160mb |
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| 18:01.13 | tvynr | mfrisch: Heh. Yeah, but that doesn't stop people from selling XP Home boxes with 128Mb of RAM in 'em. Or at least it didn't stop them a couple years ago. |
| 18:01.15 | warjets | mfrisch: do the full install cds have a more comprehensive set of drivers ? |
| 18:01.24 | abrotman | warjets: is it not a laptop ? |
| 18:01.28 | mfrisch | warjets: no |
| 18:01.30 | abrotman | warjets: same drivers .. same kernel |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | (additional non-free drivers) |
| 18:01.40 | warjets | this is not a laptop |
| 18:01.47 | abrotman | though i doubt your CD is controlled by a non-free driver |
| 18:02.01 | abrotman | warjets: any options in the BIOS to control it? |
| 18:02.01 | MrMary | i bought an xp home box with 128 ram |
| 18:02.14 | tvynr | MrMary: You have my condolences. |
| 18:02.14 | warjets | abrotman: in what manner? |
| 18:02.14 | mfrisch | tvynr: yeah I had to upgrade some ram on a 2.2 with 128mb they were wondering why they could not do anything |
| 18:02.16 | warjets | i'm sure there is |
| 18:02.24 | MrMary | it was a dell |
| 18:02.42 | wols | MrMary: why are you so stupid? |
| 18:02.42 | mfrisch | MrMary: same here dell suck |
| 18:02.59 | MrMary | it was my first pc i didnt know any better |
| 18:02.59 | wols | not buying the dell (well maybe that too) but with 128MB? |
| 18:03.02 | warjets | i haven't found anyone having problems with it in googling so i was thinking i should pull it out and check the jumpers/bios |
| 18:03.26 | MrMary | i thought i could get ram cheaper at the store |
| 18:03.33 | tvynr | mfrisch: I have a well-off but cheapskate uncle... he's got plenty of cash because he never spends any of it, it's silly. He bought a computer online. The default model was $1,000 US. He bumped the RAM down to 128Mb himself (not knowing what that even meant) and thus paid $900 for a computer that ran like a $400 model. |
| 18:03.52 | tvynr | MrMary: You *can* get RAM cheaper at the store. www.crucial.com :) |
| 18:04.20 | mfrisch | newegg was ok lately too |
| 18:04.28 | kalila | I wanna start a program in bash and kill it after 30 minutes, how to capture its uid accuratly? |
| 18:04.30 | wols | MrMary: 128 is very much doable with debian |
| 18:04.31 | MrMary | for years i didnt know what kinda ram i had and finaly decided it wasnt worth putting any $$$ into |
| 18:04.39 | wols | if you abstain from gnome and kde and such monsters of course |
| 18:04.48 | tvynr | mfrisch: Yeah. I usually use newegg as my primary source of hardware. Crucial can beat them sometimes, though. And I only buy Crucial anyway. |
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| 18:05.23 | MrMary | i'm gonna get a new comp soon, gonna make sure its got atleast 1gig |
| 18:05.23 | mfrisch | tvynr: don't waste money on "fancy" ram ;-) |
| 18:05.27 | PupenoR | wols: a person that doesn't know what RAM is is not likely to be able to abstain from the most user friendly desktops. |
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| 18:05.51 | tvynr | kalila: In bash? Run the program as backgrounded and then store the value of $! such as: myprog arg1 arg2 & pid="$!" |
| 18:05.55 | wols | PupenoR: you have a point there :( |
| 18:06.02 | wols | of course "user friendly" is relative :) |
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| 18:06.31 | wols | MrMary: that's not enough. unless you can abstain from vista. which you can't if you want to play games |
| 18:06.36 | PupenoR | After using a double core, I would consider the second core esential for a desktop at least for what I use it, and 1GB RAM minimum. |
| 18:06.49 | tvynr | mfrisch: Well, I tend to hunt down vendors I think are reliable and then stick to them. Crucial for RAM, eVGA for video cards, ASUS for higher-end motherboards... I could make you a list. |
| 18:06.59 | MrMary | how about 2? |
| 18:06.59 | wols | 1GB is minimum for me right now. on my old PC |
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| 18:07.09 | wols | 2 is currently the "sweet" spot mostly |
| 18:07.20 | tvynr | I'm running 3Gb 333MHz DDR right now. It seems to be enough at the moment, but I might need more later. |
| 18:07.25 | tvynr | 'course... I have 10 virtual desktops. |
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| 18:07.44 | tvynr | My roommate kicked the breaker with the vacuum cleaner yesterday. That sucked. |
| 18:07.46 | wols | tvynr: they don't take any ram. virtual machines would tho |
| 18:07.48 | kalila | tvynr: great thanks |
| 18:08.14 | tvynr | wols: Well, no, virtual desktops take almost no RAM at all. But the stuff I have open on them constantly is pretty expensive. |
| 18:08.57 | tvynr | wols: A couple QEMUs on 6, IntelliJ IDEA on 2, several video transcoding processes on 4, GIMP on 7 with a ton of Wesnoth sprites open... |
| 18:09.04 | tvynr | wols: My box is usually pretty busy. :) |
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| 18:10.07 | esophagus | <tvynr> wols: A couple QEMUs on 6, IntelliJ IDEA on 2, several video transcoding processes on 4, GIMP on 7 with a ton of Wesnoth sprites open... <--- gonna try that once on my PII 233 Klammath w/256 MB SDRAM :> |
| 18:10.11 | MrMary | i guess i'm gonna have to build my own pc |
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| 18:10.26 | tvynr | esophagus: If something *melts*, I'm not to blame. |
| 18:10.32 | esophagus | hihi |
| 18:10.35 | mfrisch | MrMary: research ALOT before you do\ |
| 18:10.44 | MrMary | k |
| 18:10.49 | MrMary | i'm thinking amd |
| 18:10.57 | tvynr | MrMary: I'd be happy to advise if you like. |
| 18:11.10 | MrMary | go ahead |
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| 18:11.13 | abrotman | MrMary: what does that have to do with debian ? |
| 18:11.15 | tvynr | MrMary: I have enough people bringing me badly constructed boxes to fix. Don't want any more of them out there. :) |
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| 18:11.17 | MrMary | i'm a little nehind the times |
| 18:11.36 | MrMary | i'll run debian on it eventually |
| 18:11.58 | tvynr | MrMary: Given as abrotman rightly points out that the conversation would not be #debian-related, we can carry on in PM. |
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| 18:12.21 | psbase | how do you guys check the used disk space for a folder and its subfolders? |
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| 18:12.34 | markybob | du -sh |
| 18:12.37 | tvynr | psbase: I use du -hs /dir |
| 18:12.37 | mfrisch | du -h /folder |
| 18:12.49 | abrotman | tvynr: just that #hardware might be more appropriate |
| 18:12.51 | tvynr | Well... that's three votes. |
| 18:12.52 | psbase | cool. I'll try that |
| 18:13.06 | tvynr | abrotman: Quite right. :) |
| 18:13.21 | abrotman | tvynr: don't mind me .. i'm a raving lunatic |
| 18:13.38 | psbase | that's great! thanx a lot |
| 18:13.53 | abrotman | mine's just fine .. thanks :) |
| 18:13.59 | tvynr | abrotman: Actually, part of my reasoning for moving off to PM was to avoid any flamewars. People have a tendency in my experience to get defensive about their choices in hardware and I didn't want to start anything of the like in here. :) |
| 18:14.31 | abrotman | tvynr: intel stuff .. all the way :) |
| 18:14.46 | tvynr | MrMary: I did just send you a message. Have you received it at all? |
| 18:14.51 | mfrisch | abrotman: :-) some people like amd |
| 18:15.08 | abrotman | mfrisch: i like the CPUs .. hate the supporting cast |
| 18:15.08 | MrMary | yeah |
| 18:15.08 | h3sp4wn | intel are too inconsistent - amd has always been pro opensource |
| 18:15.19 | tvynr | abrotman: *points at above lines* See? :) |
| 18:15.22 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: so where are the open source ATI drivers from the manuf ? |
| 18:15.48 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: intel is at least helpful .. drivers for every piece of intel hardware that i'm aware of |
| 18:15.56 | mfrisch | abrotman: I would probally like a new ppc cpu or a sparc64 |
| 18:15.57 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Don't care - they won't even give me firmware to use an intel product I own |
| 18:16.07 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: which ? |
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| 18:16.23 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: xscale npe microcode (crypto enabled) |
| 18:16.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: good luck finding the PPC stuff .. IBM is your only stop now |
| 18:16.32 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i meant x86 hardware :) |
| 18:16.43 | MrMary | -e |
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| 18:17.19 | mfrisch | abrotman: everyone retired to the city where I went to school.. All the old big blue guys ;-) |
| 18:17.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:17.36 | MrMary | tvynr, i'v joined #hardware |
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| 18:17.54 | eclig | hi, any acpi expert out there? |
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| 18:18.11 | abrotman | s/out there// |
| 18:18.31 | mfrisch | abrotman: they were the people that got me into computers..I should hunt them down..uhm look them up. |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:18.47 | eclig | i updated to etch and my power button doesn't work anymore. |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | start a club! |
| 18:18.55 | abrotman | eclig: to do what ? |
| 18:19.19 | eclig | suspend to disk. It works if I use the script s2disk manually. |
| 18:19.36 | eclig | It seems acpid doesn't get a power button event. |
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| 18:20.08 | PaSurf | I am having an issue with backup-manager. For some reason the MD5 file is not uploading, but when used at command line, works fine. Also system is connecting with remote system and cleaning directory so no issue with connectivity.. |
| 18:20.13 | eclig | i do see other events in /var/log/acpid, but no power button events :-( |
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| 18:21.46 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: The networking part of intel is not pro opensource at all (In some ways half baked is worse than completely anti) |
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| 18:22.16 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: they do provide drivers .. most open source |
| 18:22.21 | abrotman | or have at least helped others write them |
| 18:22.54 | h3sp4wn | the more interesting stuff isn't though |
| 18:23.05 | cartesian1984 | So, I got my USB key install to boot in qemu. It's just that it's not finding the root filesystem apparently, because I get dropped to a busybox shell. The kernel line from syslinux is 'append initrd=initrd.img root=LABEL=usbroot'. I'm not sure what's wrong. |
| 18:23.37 | eclig | any other acpi victims here? :-) |
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| 18:24.28 | PaSurf | msg dpkg cron |
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| 18:25.14 | cartesian1984 | Okay, nevermind. For some reason it's working now. Praise Debian. |
| 18:25.17 | cartesian1984 | \\// |
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| 18:26.23 | _joey | looking for an application to scan and save documents in pdf files |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | is that all ? |
| 18:27.43 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: x86 hardware ? |
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| 18:29.23 | lhunath | When is sun-java6-jdk going to be updated to 6u1? |
| 18:29.53 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: The high end network cards - They run in x86 hardware but have other stuff on the card |
| 18:30.17 | warjets | i cannot get this ddu1615 to get picked up. nothing in the bios helped |
| 18:31.24 | kalila | 0 * * * * <-- this runs every hour right? (crontab) |
| 18:32.24 | esophagus | i havent been following this. the JRE is now open source, right? Or am I wrong? and is it gonna get into the free repositories? |
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| 18:32.52 | markybob | kalila: yes. man crontab |
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| 18:34.55 | _joey | abrotman you were telling me about gnome base the other day. What is the name of the package again?:) |
| 18:35.03 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: afaik .. they have drivers for Gb cards |
| 18:35.08 | abrotman | _joey: eh ? |
| 18:35.11 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 18:35.11 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 18:36.02 | _joey | thanks |
| 18:36.09 | tosh| | I installed grub into my mbr but its the minimal install as in it just waits with a grub> prompt although I've made a /boot/menu.list file. how do I get grub to read my settings and boot the correct kernel instead of me always having to type the "kernel" and "initrd" lines myself? |
| 18:36.10 | BUMBACL0T | . |
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| 18:38.55 | wols | tosh|: /boot/menu.lst |
| 18:38.57 | wols | no "i" |
| 18:39.15 | wols | correction: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 18:40.21 | esophagus | !install beryl > esophagus |
| 18:40.34 | esophagus | !install beryl |
| 18:40.39 | markybob | why? |
| 18:40.54 | markybob | especially now that beryl's merging back into compiz |
| 18:41.15 | esophagus | just curious what the bot'll say |
| 18:41.26 | h3sp4wn | markybob: Would that not be illegal (beryl is GPL'ed) |
| 18:41.38 | markybob | h3sp4wn: lay off the crack, my friend. |
| 18:42.17 | h3sp4wn | markybob: Every single person would have to agree to relicencing it under the mit license or whatever compiz uses |
| 18:42.40 | zinx | or compiz could be relicensed as GPL... |
| 18:42.51 | esophagus | h3sp4wn: ...or just abandon beryl and start working on compiz again using some of the beryl code and just stating so? |
| 18:43.32 | markybob | esophagus wins!! |
| 18:43.34 | h3sp4wn | You cannot just do that |
| 18:43.38 | esophagus | :> |
| 18:43.50 | markybob | sure you can. most of what they were using was compiz core code |
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| 18:43.59 | esophagus | yeah |
| 18:44.28 | h3sp4wn | Unless everyone agrees its illegal (it sucks anyway) |
| 18:44.37 | esophagus | xmms ---> bmp ---> audacious... |
| 18:44.47 | esophagus | h3sp4wn: but they agreed to merge |
| 18:44.59 | ifireball | all this beryl/compiz stuff amounts to a sad sad story |
| 18:45.02 | markybob | h3sp4wn: it's not illegal. but it is off topic. go read about it on go-compiz.org's forums or soemthing |
| 18:45.23 | tosh| | wols I put it as /boot/menu.lst and now /boot/grub/default and it still won't load my configfile? |
| 18:45.26 | h3sp4wn | markybob: blatently illegal same reason you cannot use open solaris code in linux |
| 18:45.26 | ifireball | i.e. back in they day |
| 18:45.36 | esophagus | ifireball: it's not. now you'll have one good product instead of 2 buggy ones |
| 18:46.04 | markybob | h3sp4wn: you're confused as to what they're actually doing |
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| 18:46.25 | ifireball | esophagus: yeah, but in the meantime MS shipped vista and compiz will only be stable in 6 months or so |
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| 18:46.30 | esophagus | they merged, so there's no1 saying no AFAIK |
| 18:47.01 | esophagus | ifireball: we're the commies dude, we're not competing with MS to make money :D |
| 18:47.16 | h3sp4wn | esophagus: So maybe there is few enough contributers that they all agree to relicense it |
| 18:47.24 | wols | tosh|: read what I typed. follow it |
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| 18:47.34 | wols | especially the correction |
| 18:47.34 | esophagus | mayhaps |
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| 18:47.49 | ifireball | esophagus: were the gift-culture, we're competing to make fame... |
| 18:47.53 | bladerunner05 | Hi all, wich is the best way to make unrevoverable my files when I remove it ? |
| 18:48.08 | tosh| | wols I typed it wrong on IRC, its menu.lst in my /boot dir |
| 18:48.12 | wols | bladerunner05: overwrite them. sevreal times |
| 18:48.18 | wols | tosh|: and that'S not what I wrote |
| 18:48.21 | emergetw | are there only two versions of debian now? stable and testing? |
| 18:48.24 | markybob | bladerunner05: srm? wipe? |
| 18:48.28 | esophagus | ifireball: besides, it doesn't matter, ppl will like the fact more that beryz :D is free and thrice faster than Vista |
| 18:48.36 | Ronin | emergetw: always have been, theres also sid and experimental iirc |
| 18:48.38 | tosh| | bladerunner05 look for DBAN, its a linux distribution livecd to do just that |
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| 18:48.47 | wols | EmergeTW: there is always stable, testing and unstable. sometimes there is also oldstable |
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| 18:49.21 | ifireball | esophagus: still it damages my ability to say "feh! Linux had this years ago" :P |
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| 18:49.31 | aterra | it's weird, when i connect to server using telnet on port 25, it says 535 Authentication required, right after i send helo mail.... it could seem it doesn't even care about whether i am going to send a mail to a domain it is hosting, when it demands authentication this early... or does it just always do this? (running courier) |
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| 18:50.02 | EmergeTW | ah, I was only seeing stable and testing, and wasnt sure if testing/unstable had been merged at some point in time ( I have been out of the loop for a bit ) |
| 18:50.08 | wols | aterra: how do you know it demands anything? |
| 18:50.08 | esophagus | ifireball: but it had, didn't it? we could play with a decent version of compiz before vista released it. |
| 18:50.20 | wols | aterra: and how about "ehlo <whatever>"? |
| 18:50.36 | esophagus | for vista you would have to be one of those chosen testers |
| 18:50.37 | itchi | bladerunner05: 'wipe' it with a tool? |
| 18:50.50 | esophagus | so, we promote the right thing, that's what ppl will like |
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| 18:51.01 | itchi | gggrr, was scrolled up |
| 18:51.09 | esophagus | compiz is the only reason 5 of my friends swtiched from xp to ubuntu recently |
| 18:51.14 | esophagus | and now they like linux :D |
| 18:51.15 | ifireball | esophagus: the small small difference of having something as cvs checkout v.s. by default in all major distros... |
| 18:51.30 | aterra | wols: it's reply is "535 Authentication required.", is that not what it means? |
| 18:51.48 | wols | interesting. the reply to the ehlo line? |
| 18:51.54 | petemc | aterra: 5xx means it wants nothing more to do with you |
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| 18:52.11 | aterra | yes in reply to helo |
| 18:52.23 | wols | aterra: please read more carefully |
| 18:52.31 | wols | EHLO != HELO |
| 18:53.03 | esophagus | ifireball: that's a marketing strategy that cannot cover all those Viruses, Intruders, bad Software, Trojans and Adware |
| 18:53.12 | esophagus | :> |
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| 18:53.28 | tosh| | wols any other suggestions? |
| 18:53.40 | esophagus | i'd rather be using woody with ratpoison for the rest of my entire life than vista |
| 18:54.04 | itchi | esophagus: Use fluxbox :-p |
| 18:54.12 | wols | tosh|: only one suggestion a long time ago (the right one). feel free to ignore it as you#ve done so far |
| 18:54.16 | esophagus | <itchi> esophagus: Use fluxbox :-p <--- LOL, I do :D |
| 18:54.20 | aterra | in reply to "ehlo mail" i get the "535 Authentication required" (sorry thought it was a typo) |
| 18:54.43 | ifireball | esophagus: well, you've seen the light, J. Random User havn't |
| 18:54.46 | Vladi | hi, how can i identify my self as operator on non dancer ircd servers such as ngircd? |
| 18:54.47 | wols | aterra: ditch courier smtp. there is a reason most people use exim4 or postfix with courier it seems |
| 18:54.47 | itchi | esophagus: Ratpoison is a bit hardcore. Not that it is not a good/nice tool |
| 18:54.49 | drako | a good torrent client? |
| 18:55.08 | itchi | gggrr, i hope you have understand me hehe |
| 18:55.11 | wols | drako: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:55.21 | esophagus | ifireball: they will, it just takes time and a lot more automated Ubuntu |
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| 18:55.42 | esophagus | itchi: it was just a comparison :D i use fluxbox 1.0rc3 |
| 18:55.45 | aterra | wols: okay, i'll do that, which one would you recommend? |
| 18:55.48 | tosh| | wols I did read what you said. I have a /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:56.02 | ifireball | esophagus: I wish I could share your optimizem |
| 18:56.02 | wols | personal preference |
| 18:56.10 | xand | bang bang |
| 18:56.17 | simonrvn | esophagus: whoah |
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| 18:56.41 | aterra | wols: okay, i'll google for the differences, thanks for the advice |
| 18:56.56 | esophagus | ifireball: compare 1999 to now, it's a lot better. right? at least you don't have to sigh when some1 gives you a .doc file anymore just be patient |
| 18:57.16 | esophagus | even Apple thinks about giving up DRM |
| 18:57.17 | GhostlyDeath | How do I start another connection, eth2 is active and I want to do a peer to peer eth0 |
| 18:57.29 | wols | aterra: chances are, for you, the differences won't matter. it's mainly the different way of config imho |
| 18:57.40 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: 'start' ? |
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| 18:57.42 | wols | what is a peer to peer eth? |
| 18:57.44 | esophagus | [20:56] <simonrvn> esophagus: whoah <-- to what? |
| 18:57.51 | GhostlyDeath | Direct connection |
| 18:57.54 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: man interfaces or see the faq |
| 18:57.59 | wols | GhostlyDeath: you configure via interfaces and then ifup <interface> |
| 18:58.12 | simonrvn | beryl/compiz being the reason some win people switched to linux |
| 18:58.14 | Ezep | how can i get the lib called libGLU.so.1? |
| 18:58.26 | aterra | wols: okay, thanks again |
| 18:58.29 | wols | simonrvn: idiots run all kinds of OSes. even good ones |
| 18:58.36 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: for linux a direct connection is not different to one done via a switch, for your hardware the difference is that you either need a crossover cable or nics that support using standard cable for this |
| 18:58.41 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 18:58.48 | abrotman | !pal simonrvn |
| 18:58.50 | xand | Ezep: apt-cache search libglu? |
| 18:58.52 | markybob | Ezep: apt-get install libglu1-mesa |
| 18:58.59 | esophagus | simonrvn: yeah, i can't belive it either, and now they even ask me about how to set up various things, even sudo :D |
| 18:59.06 | Ezep | markybob: thanx |
| 18:59.09 | GhostlyDeath | valdyn: my hardware supports direct connections |
| 18:59.13 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:59.18 | smacnay | Hi, are there any issues with the .deb kernels and cdrom drives losing interrupts? |
| 18:59.28 | xand | GhostlyDeath: plug cable in; /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | dma maybe |
| 18:59.33 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: then read the faq about how to set up an interface |
| 18:59.40 | xand | Why Hello There, abrotman |
| 18:59.45 | esophagus | most of they're not idiots, just too scared to try it, cuz they've been nurtured on the hotline-MS-cryptic-progs |
| 18:59.47 | linux2 | can someone help me out with my keyboard |
| 18:59.54 | Ezep | markybob: could not find |
| 18:59.55 | linux2 | whenever i boot into debian it just doesn't work |
| 19:00.04 | abrotman | hey xand |
| 19:00.06 | linux2 | returns back random gibberish when i type and does strange things |
| 19:00.09 | wols | esophagus: running a OS for the eyecandy is not a smart thing to do imho |
| 19:00.17 | linux2 | even causes were text to output. as in complete words etc |
| 19:00.32 | linux2 | i have tried other keyboards but still the same results |
| 19:00.33 | esophagus | wols: running windows isn't either ;> |
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| 19:00.46 | wols | linux2: you really have a keyboard problem. what you write here IS gibberish |
| 19:00.48 | esophagus | gotta go lassies and mates... g'nite |
| 19:00.55 | markybob | Ezep: could not find what? |
| 19:00.57 | linux2 | lol |
| 19:01.02 | Ezep | this pkg |
| 19:01.05 | valdyn | !tell linux2 -about ask |
| 19:01.06 | ifireball | esophagus: I donno, i.e. sure so now we've cought up to .doc, but MS is already doing SharePoint and Voice Recognition and OCR (not to mention that there is still nothing as easy as AD), it always seems that by the time FOSS catches up, the world moves on... |
| 19:01.08 | linux2 | wols: yeah well im not exactly sure how to explain it |
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| 19:01.18 | wols | esophagus: didn't say it was. tho for some things it is better than linux. haven't seen any good reason anywhere for vista yet tho |
| 19:01.36 | itchi | Why did you not tell me about zsh before? |
| 19:01.44 | itchi | :-p |
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| 19:01.49 | wols | linux2: switch to another console. is it still messed up? |
| 19:01.52 | amphi | itchi: I did ;) |
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| 19:02.01 | itchi | amphi: Oh yeah :-p |
| 19:02.05 | wols | what's good about zsh? |
| 19:02.06 | amphi | heh |
| 19:02.13 | markybob | Ezep: it's in there. even in sarge. did you apt-get update first? or are you one of those special people who arent really running debian but feel like asking crap in #debian? |
| 19:02.23 | itchi | amphi: I'm still reading the docs about zsh :-) But there are some interesting stuff in zsh |
| 19:02.31 | markybob | !info libglu1-mesa stable |
| 19:02.33 | linux2 | wols: yeah, well i have to press just simply 1 or 2 or 3 etc. to switch consoles. not ctrl+alt+f1/f2 etc |
| 19:02.34 | Ezep | markybob: :) |
| 19:02.36 | dpkg | libglu1-mesa: (The OpenGL utility library, libGLU), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.0.0-5.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 203 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 19:02.49 | wols | linux2: sounds like s stuck alt key? |
| 19:02.53 | itchi | wols: Is that a real question? |
| 19:02.55 | _joey | abrotman which package do I install to X running? |
| 19:03.02 | amphi | !zsh |
| 19:03.02 | dpkg | i guess zsh is at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 19:03.04 | linux2 | wols: well it works fine in the debian installer |
| 19:03.08 | linux2 | maybe an issue with the kernel? |
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| 19:03.11 | wols | jelly-home: x-window-system |
| 19:03.21 | valdyn | linux2: no |
| 19:03.25 | itchi | amphi: Yeah yeah, still reading the docs :-p |
| 19:03.34 | Gnea | markybob: you know, he can't even type right in channel, he probably typos on the commandline search as well |
| 19:03.36 | markybob | Ezep: dont waste our time |
| 19:03.49 | _joey | okay thanks |
| 19:03.54 | markybob | Gnea: yeah |
| 19:04.07 | Ezep | oh..don t waste our time...:( |
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| 19:04.19 | linux2 | valdyn: well what would you suggest then |
| 19:04.47 | valdyn | linux2: you error description is so very vague that i cant suggest anything |
| 19:04.52 | linux2 | like for example. pressing f5 displays a huge random message. it just says things like HELP pwrsky fnlgl |
| 19:05.18 | linux2 | well it comes down to the keyboard not working properly. the f key prints the number 5 |
| 19:05.19 | linux2 | etc |
| 19:05.23 | bier_ | does somebody know who made this wallpaper (or where to find a version with a higher resolution): http://www.andrefelipemachado.hpg.ig.com.br/linux/debian/imagens/debian_wallpaper_burningmetall_fundo_preto_definido.jpg ? |
| 19:05.26 | valdyn | linux2: how do you log in into your debian? |
| 19:06.19 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 19:06.23 | dazjorz | I'm having trouble with routes |
| 19:06.30 | dazjorz | I lately added ipv6 support to my server |
| 19:06.37 | dazjorz | IPv6 requests to dazjorz.com are fine now |
| 19:07.00 | dazjorz | however from my internal network, such as from my laptop, it takes a while to get pages from the server since IPv6 just times out |
| 19:07.16 | dazjorz | here is, e.g., a telnet to the server |
| 19:07.16 | dazjorz | http://sial.org/pbot/24025 |
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| 19:07.28 | dazjorz | it first tries ipv6, it takes about a minute to time out and try ipv4 which succeeds instantly |
| 19:07.39 | valdyn | dazjorz: so your laptops ipv6 traffic is not routed properly? |
| 19:07.47 | dazjorz | valdyn: yeah, or my servers ipv6 traffic |
| 19:08.00 | aterra | wols: thanx for the tip, worked after a simple apt-get, just need to check for open relay now :) |
| 19:08.03 | itchi | bier_: Go one dir up?? There's an email, mail your question?? |
| 19:08.04 | valdyn | dazjorz: does that laptop even have an ipv6 address? |
| 19:08.05 | dazjorz | valdyn: my laptop doesn't have an ipv6 dedicated interface too, like my server does, not sure if that's why |
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| 19:08.16 | itchi | bier_: Sorry, 2 dirs up |
| 19:08.24 | dazjorz | valdyn: well, I guess not then :/ |
| 19:08.27 | valdyn | dazjorz: a dedicated interface is not required |
| 19:08.37 | dazjorz | valdyn: okay, well, I don't think it has an ipv6 address then |
| 19:08.53 | valdyn | dazjorz: on your 'server' that interface is probably just the ipv6 tunnel |
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| 19:08.59 | dazjorz | valdyn: indeed. |
| 19:09.34 | valdyn | dazjorz: you need to either assign a static ipv6 address to your laptop, or install a server like radvd in your network |
| 19:09.50 | dazjorz | valdyn: I have radvd installed, but I don't think it's set up correctly |
| 19:10.11 | valdyn | dazjorz: because you called it 'server' and any box is a server in some context. |
| 19:10.24 | dazjorz | ah, makes sense :) |
| 19:10.51 | dazjorz | valdyn: I first tried setting up a tunnel broker, where an information page told me how to set up radvd, so I did, without knowing what it was or why I had to set it up (only thing I knew was that it had something to do with DHCP) |
| 19:11.27 | dazjorz | valdyn: but then I went to #ipv6 and they told me that every IPv4 address has an IPv6 equivalent, 212.123.140.190 was 2002:d47b:8cbe::1 |
| 19:11.28 | valdyn | dazjorz: right, its doing something similar to a dhcp server, but in ipv6 there's no need for a dhcp client |
| 19:11.30 | |capiira | anyone know a decent graphical ftp client for gnome ? (not gftp, filezilla or that mozilla ftp thing) |
| 19:11.36 | bier_ | itchi: i already tried to reach that person, but without success... anyway, thank you for the idea ;) |
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| 19:12.37 | warjets | i've tried boot with libata.atapi_enabled=1 and i still cannot get this cd/dvd drive detected with my etch install disk, any other suggestions? |
| 19:12.47 | dazjorz | valdyn: well, if radvd works similar to dhcp, that would mean my laptop should send out a signal that it wants an IPv6 address, and then receives one from the radvd server |
| 19:12.59 | warjets | its a sony ddu 1615 |
| 19:13.05 | valdyn | dazjorz: right, but using an ipv6 equivalent of a class C network address is maybe not what you want |
| 19:13.25 | valdyn | dazjorz: radvd needs to be configured in any case |
| 19:13.34 | dazjorz | valdyn: I configured it a bit |
| 19:13.54 | valdyn | dazjorz: show me |
| 19:14.03 | dazjorz | interface eth0 has SendAdvert on, prefix 2001:618:400:b10c::/64, AdvOnLink on and AdvAutonomous on |
| 19:14.08 | dazjorz | that's all |
| 19:14.35 | GhostlyDeath | How do I use dir but without case sensitivity so "dir *.wad" is the same as "dir *.WAD"? |
| 19:14.35 | valdyn | dazjorz: what about the AdvRouterAdr? |
| 19:15.01 | dazjorz | valdyn: It's not there |
| 19:15.12 | dazjorz | valdyn: I think I'm gonna look for some radvd manual or documentation |
| 19:15.28 | valdyn | dazjorz: there's a few more things, like the network interface on your server that connects to your laptop needs to have an ipv6 address too |
| 19:15.43 | dazjorz | valdyn: I have eth0, the network interface, and daz6, the ipv6 tunnel |
| 19:15.54 | dazjorz | valdyn: daz6 is being brought up at boot in the post-up script of eth0 |
| 19:15.59 | valdyn | dazjorz: daz6 only goes out to the internet |
| 19:16.07 | valdyn | dazjorz: eth0 needs an ipv6 address |
| 19:16.15 | dazjorz | ah, okay |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | dazjorz: your ipv6 broker may or may not have given you an ipv6 segment. You need one |
| 19:16.38 | dazjorz | ifconfig eth0 add 2002:d47b:8cbe::1 |
| 19:16.43 | dazjorz | valdyn: I don't have a broker anymore |
| 19:17.03 | dazjorz | valdyn: 2002:d47b:8cbe::1 is the IPv6 equivalent for 212.123.140.190, I don't need a broker for that |
| 19:17.11 | MrMary | debian have good wierless support? |
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| 19:17.15 | dazjorz | valdyn: at least, that's what #ipv6 told me after I tried to set up an ipv6 tunnel... |
| 19:17.18 | MrMary | *wireless |
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| 19:18.07 | itchi | MrMary: Sure, looke the signal .-_ It been work, otherwise i'm not here :-p |
| 19:18.09 | dazjorz | valdyn: But I liked the tunnel broker idea, and I like having more IPv6 addresses for all devices in my network |
| 19:18.16 | valdyn | dazjorz: ok - so you have only 1 ipv6 address, no segment? |
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| 19:18.24 | dazjorz | valdyn: Yeah |
| 19:18.25 | itchi | MrMary: Just look to 'buy' the good hardware. Forget about evil stuff |
| 19:18.37 | dazjorz | valdyn: But if you know a good and easy-to-set-up ipv6 tunnel broker, I might as well go that way. |
| 19:18.55 | valdyn | dazjorz: ok, your eth0 needs a private ipv6 address just as your laptop does |
| 19:19.32 | dazjorz | okay |
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| 19:19.34 | _joey | could someone help me to install scanner on Debian? |
| 19:19.37 | _joey | please |
| 19:19.42 | itchi | MrMary: Maybe will you find 'modconf' handy |
| 19:19.42 | abrotman | !sane |
| 19:19.42 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 19:19.51 | abrotman | time to start reading :) |
| 19:20.03 | dazjorz | valdyn: do you have an easy ipv6 tunnel broker with some respect to IPv6 noobs? |
| 19:20.26 | valdyn | dazjorz: sixxs is good, IF you have a tunnel endpoint nearby |
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| 19:20.42 | valdyn | dazjorz: my isp has one, i cant know about you. |
| 19:20.43 | _joey | abrotman I've install xsane, when I run it I get a message no device is found |
| 19:20.54 | abrotman | scsi or usb ? |
| 19:21.12 | dazjorz | valdyn: tunnel endpoint? |
| 19:21.29 | dazjorz | valdyn: I tried sixxs last time, but the site was overused or so.... timed out every time |
| 19:21.36 | _joey | abrotman usb |
| 19:21.36 | valdyn | dazjorz: my box is one end, their router is the other end |
| 19:21.42 | dazjorz | that's why I tried BT Exact |
| 19:22.10 | abrotman | lsusb ? |
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| 19:22.55 | _joey | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 19:22.58 | _joey | abrotman: |
| 19:23.33 | dazjorz | valdyn: seems like http://sixxs.net is timing out here again :/ |
| 19:23.45 | valdyn | dazjorz: your ipv6 address looks to me like it has a segment included, i would ask #ipv6 about that |
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| 19:23.53 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 19:23.54 | dazjorz | Allright |
| 19:23.58 | valdyn | dazjorz: i have no idea about this 6to4 mapping |
| 19:24.00 | GiabboO | I just installed Midnight commander |
| 19:24.04 | GiabboO | I have a crazy issue |
| 19:24.19 | GiabboO | when I run mc from tty1 the visualization is very bad |
| 19:24.27 | GiabboO | when I run mc from tty2 everything is ok |
| 19:24.27 | GiabboO | ... |
| 19:24.28 | valdyn | dazjorz: problem may be the internet though, i doubt all routers are working with this |
| 19:24.36 | GiabboO | what could it be |
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| 19:25.01 | valdyn | dazjorz: mm, who's responsible for this mapping? |
| 19:25.09 | lhunath | Ok; where do I go to poke the sun-java6-jdk maintainer to update his package? |
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| 19:25.41 | dazjorz | valdyn: which mapping? |
| 19:25.44 | dazjorz | what* |
| 19:25.53 | briank | does anyone know if Open source Xen 3.0 and XenExpress have compatible host files? |
| 19:25.54 | GhostlyDeath | How do I make it so when my computer starts it always executes /etc/init.d/firestarter? |
| 19:25.55 | valdyn | dazjorz: the ipv6 to ipv4 mapping that you are using |
| 19:26.12 | valdyn | dazjorz: must be an org routing this for you |
| 19:26.59 | kalila | can awk or sed print a particular number of a file? |
| 19:27.07 | kalila | say I want line 10 out of a file |
| 19:27.59 | valdyn | kalila: head -10 file | tail -1 |
| 19:28.16 | kalila | thanks |
| 19:28.24 | lhunath | sed -n 10p file |
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| 19:32.21 | KWartS | hello world |
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| 19:32.52 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: why is that not run automatically on your computer as is the default? |
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| 19:33.09 | GhostlyDeath | valdyn: ? |
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| 19:33.29 | GhostlyDeath | oh |
| 19:33.29 | dazjorz | valdyn: nope, it's my IPv6 ip |
| 19:33.34 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: /etc/init.d/firestarter is run by default on each startup, why is that different on your box? |
| 19:33.35 | GhostlyDeath | I'm not sure |
| 19:33.36 | dazjorz | valdyn: and #ipv6 says 2002:d47b:8cbe::1/128 is a host, not a subnet |
| 19:33.37 | dazjorz | :( |
| 19:33.48 | dazjorz | valdyn: 2002:d47b:8cbe::1/128 is just the IPv6 equivalent of 212.123.140.190 in v4 |
| 19:33.53 | twobitsprite | hmm... so I'm on a Dell Inspiron (model E1405) and it has a button for disabling the wireless card... of course it works in windows, but how do I do this from linux? |
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| 19:34.07 | torrr | are there any tricks to make firefox perform beter on gnome? |
| 19:34.19 | xand | torrr: better than what? |
| 19:34.20 | wols | !laptop |
| 19:34.20 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 19:34.32 | torrr | xand, better like epiphany |
| 19:34.37 | ifireball | GhostlyDeath: you add a symlink /etc/rc2.d there is a debian tool to do it for you, but I'm having trouble remembering what it was |
| 19:34.56 | markybob | !rcconf |
| 19:34.57 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 19:35.09 | twobitsprite | torrr: try iceweasel |
| 19:35.44 | xand | torrr: what's wrong with FF? or do you mean.... Iceweasel! |
| 19:35.50 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Firestarter start automatically, i guess you want to see that icon there in your DE |
| 19:35.50 | torrr | twobitsprite, I use iceweasel. BTW what is the firefox debian scandal? |
| 19:35.51 | valdyn | dazjorz: who sais you're limited to /128 ? |
| 19:36.01 | twobitsprite | !firefox |
| 19:36.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 19:36.03 | markybob | iceweasel wouldnt be any faster. it's just firefox rebranded |
| 19:36.07 | valdyn | dazjorz: #ipv6 ? |
| 19:36.11 | twobitsprite | hmm |
| 19:36.13 | teclo- | I think the person who wrote the debian-testing-powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso file has a very weird sense of humour. I've just finished installing it on my iBook, and it's... gdm, and gnome, and all the gnome apps.... |
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| 19:36.46 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: yes |
| 19:36.59 | xand | teclo-: you must be relieved |
| 19:37.08 | _joey | wtf is this? /j #sane |
| 19:37.13 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Which DE use you? |
| 19:37.13 | _joey | :) |
| 19:37.19 | xand | _joey: pardon? |
| 19:37.19 | GhostlyDeath | GNOME |
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| 19:37.55 | dazjorz | valdyn: it's the equivalent! 212.123.140.190 is one host, 2002:d47b:8cbe::1/128 is one host. |
| 19:37.58 | valdyn | dazjorz: there's a whole lot of unused addresses between your two :: _after_ the d47b:8cbe that are significant for your 6to4 mapping |
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| 19:38.51 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: There's a startup thingy there somewhere in the gnome. Just add i there |
| 19:39.12 | dazjorz | valdyn: Yeah, that's why I thought maybe I could use 2002:d47b:8cbe::2/128 and 2002:d47b:8cbe::3/128 |
| 19:39.56 | valdyn | dazjorz: you can |
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| 19:40.39 | valdyn | dazjorz: that's all routed thru 2002:d47b:8cbe::1 |
| 19:41.13 | itchi | heh, gnome hangs on a box :-p |
| 19:41.48 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: It's somewhere in that main menu of gnome. Search a bit :-p |
| 19:42.28 | wad | I've set up a debian box as my web server. Is there a way to have it emit custom-crafted headers in answer to document requests? |
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| 19:42.53 | wad | I'd like to make one of my websites look like it's running under IIS instead of apache. |
| 19:43.05 | xand | wad: well, yes |
| 19:43.07 | ifireball | GhostlyDeath: you can add it in gnome-session-properties |
| 19:43.16 | markybob | wad /j #apache |
| 19:43.17 | MrWup | hey guys |
| 19:43.20 | wad | xand: Ah, cool. What's a search I could do on google? |
| 19:43.23 | MrWup | ive just apt-get install php5 |
| 19:43.30 | MrWup | and i got php5 working fine with apache |
| 19:43.36 | CarlFK | "anna-install - Used to install additional, non-standard d-i components (udebs). " http://people.debian.org/~fjp/talks/debconf6/paper How do I find out what I can install? for instance, I want to grab a screen shot of the VT1 screen, so i thought I would install gdm, but no clue what the udeb would be called |
| 19:43.36 | xand | wad: dunno, try #apache |
| 19:43.39 | MrWup | but where's the damned binary? i cant find it anywhere |
| 19:43.43 | wad | Allrgiht. Thanks! |
| 19:43.55 | asg | MrWup: it's in /usr/bin |
| 19:43.57 | MrWup | i need to put a line at the top ofthe script |
| 19:43.58 | MrWup | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.58 | MrWup | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.03 | asg | MrWup: did you install the php5-cli package though |
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| 19:44.06 | MrWup | asg, it isnt there at all |
| 19:44.13 | asg | MrWup: install php5-cli |
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| 19:44.25 | MrWup | asg, ok |
| 19:44.32 | asg | MrWup: then, it'll be in /usr/bin |
| 19:44.32 | itchi | hhhmm, glxinfo that give that trouble |
| 19:44.50 | valdyn | dazjorz: yor radvd prefix is just bull |
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| 19:47.05 | concept10 | !info matchbox |
| 19:47.12 | xand | kaminski-ltsp-br: turn that off |
| 19:47.14 | dpkg | matchbox: (base environment for resource-limited systems), section embedded, is optional. Version: 1:3 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 19:48.40 | GiabboO | could anyone help me to optimize my tty1 console visualization ? |
| 19:49.07 | itchi | !tell kaminski-ltsp-br -about away |
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| 19:53.09 | GhostlyDeath | Removing all the -dbg packages to save space doesn't break packages right? |
| 19:54.01 | GhostlyDeath | I'll save 473MB! |
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| 19:55.26 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: If your not a programmer and not plan to debug some stuff ... |
| 19:56.05 | GhostlyDeath | I am a programmer but I don't really debug alot |
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| 19:56.33 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: debian handles dependencies automagically |
| 19:56.39 | zinx | GhostlyDeath: then the real question is.. how did they get installed in the first place? |
| 19:56.47 | GhostlyDeath | zinx: I installed them |
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| 19:57.00 | enry | helppppp me Opera is not workinh |
| 19:57.06 | itchi | Yeah, i have 4 packages installed about it. But these are beryl stuff |
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| 19:57.19 | itchi | enry: Not use it; problem solved |
| 19:57.27 | itchi | enry: Use firefox |
| 19:57.51 | itchi | enry: Anyway, opera is not in the Debian repo, so us not provide any support here |
| 19:58.36 | GhostlyDeath | I use Galeon |
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| 19:58.46 | enry | ok |
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| 19:59.00 | enry | but so help me to chance the orrible font |
| 19:59.06 | enry | of icewheseler |
| 19:59.15 | GhostlyDeath | wheseler? |
| 19:59.20 | enry | owhat is his name |
| 19:59.24 | asg | GhostlyDeath: the German version |
| 19:59.32 | enry | what? |
| 19:59.43 | itchi | enry: Edit / Preferences / Content And there is it |
| 19:59.54 | itchi | !firefox |
| 19:59.55 | dpkg | i guess firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 19:59.57 | enry | it have orrible font for example the google menu |
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| 20:00.07 | dondelelcaro | enry: so change the font. |
| 20:00.15 | enry | how |
| 20:00.20 | enry | please help me |
| 20:00.28 | itchi | enry: I told you :-p |
| 20:00.32 | dondelelcaro | enry: by using the Edit->Preferences and Content pane of that menu as itchi said. |
| 20:00.43 | dondelelcaro | s/menu/window/ |
| 20:00.50 | GhostlyDeath | Convert the words to Germen |
| 20:00.52 | GhostlyDeath | German* |
| 20:01.06 | dondelelcaro | if you want help in german, ask in #debian-de |
| 20:01.12 | itchi | enry: Gone you set as default 'Times New Roman'? :-) |
| 20:01.26 | enry | it's not the carachters |
| 20:01.36 | enry | it's the search menu |
| 20:01.50 | GhostlyDeath | "timidity D_RUNNIN.MID --loop" can't get enough of this! |
| 20:01.54 | enry | in ubuntu there is a patch that solve it |
| 20:02.15 | dondelelcaro | then file a bug or provide more detail, perhaps a screenshot of what you're talking about |
| 20:02.21 | itchi | enry: I not understand about what you talk. You know, us use Debian |
| 20:02.49 | enry | itchi now i put a link of what i'm talking about |
| 20:03.16 | itchi | enry: ok, i wait |
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| 20:04.16 | enry | ok here it is sorry it's in italian but you can understand the command http://pollycoke.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/migliorare-la-grafica-dei-controlli-form-di-firefox/ |
| 20:04.20 | streuner | itchi: i found something useful for you ;-) |
| 20:04.29 | enry | itchi, |
| 20:04.36 | itchi | streuner: I already have it; i use Debian :-p |
| 20:04.57 | GhostlyDeath | What prepackaged (in a list) that allows you to edit wxWidget forms and such? |
| 20:05.05 | itchi | streuner: Yes? |
| 20:05.10 | enry | maybe sombody can change the commend to use it with iceweasel |
| 20:05.11 | EmergeTW | I just finished installing from the netinstall cd, how do I get moved over to testing? |
| 20:05.12 | streuner | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
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| 20:05.24 | valdyn | enry: now if you could teach us italian |
| 20:05.24 | CarlFK | ssh says: "connect to host 192.168.1.36 port 22: Connection refused" "...does not provide any configuration. " http://packages.debian.org/stable/debian-installer/openssh-server-udeb |
| 20:05.25 | dondelelcaro | enry: uh... that's just talking about using the gtk buttons instead of the normal ones; if that's what you want, install the gtk support package for firefox. |
| 20:05.30 | CarlFK | any idea how I connect to it? |
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| 20:06.06 | enry | dondelelcaro, how? |
| 20:06.20 | itchi | streuner: :-) |
| 20:06.28 | dondelelcaro | enry: it's iceweasel-gnome-support; alternatively, if you want those exact widgets, install that patch. Regardless, it's not a bug. |
| 20:06.33 | enry | the normal button just drive me crazy |
| 20:06.48 | streuner | itchi: yeah, its pretty useful, in case you ever need find(1) ;-) |
| 20:07.09 | dondelelcaro | um... not sure why the nice looking widgets would drive you crazy, but whatever. |
| 20:07.11 | itchi | streuner: hehe :-p |
| 20:07.14 | wad | I have a question about this web page: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ ... what number must go to zero before etch becomes "stable"? |
| 20:07.23 | enry | dondelelcaro, iknow is not a bug but i'm astigmatic |
| 20:07.30 | itchi | streuner: Bah, i had find it, but yeah, there are some interesting tips :-) |
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| 20:08.10 | dondelelcaro | enry: there are glasses to correct for that; you can also use a larger font size which will make the buttons larger as well |
| 20:08.17 | dondelelcaro | enry: and please don't /msg me. |
| 20:08.18 | streuner | itchi: well, this dude who written the HOWTO is right, there are too many options |
| 20:08.34 | crazy_penguin | 'night |
| 20:08.40 | wols | wad: RC bugs |
| 20:08.42 | itchi | streuner: Yeah, that's greycat's stuff |
| 20:08.44 | valdyn | wad: the 21 |
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| 20:09.04 | streuner | itchi: nah, 'TheBonsai' wrote it |
| 20:09.10 | dondelelcaro | enry: if you want to change it for iceweasel, just replace the instances of firefox with iceweasel, and it will work. |
| 20:09.31 | wad | thansk |
| 20:09.37 | itchi | streuner: oh, right, just see it below :-p |
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| 20:19.34 | richcollins | Is logging turned off by default for cron? |
| 20:20.04 | buu | Anyone have an idea on how I could extract a random frame from an avi type file? |
| 20:20.34 | enry | dondelelcaro, ihave to adapt this command to icewesel cp /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/res/forms.css /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/res/forms.css.bak |
| 20:20.37 | richcollins | #cron.* /var/log/cron.log in syslog.conf |
| 20:20.49 | richcollins | does that mean use the default or does it mean do not log? |
| 20:21.06 | enry | i have to change to /usr/lib/icewesel ??? |
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| 20:22.35 | sword | richcollins: syslog doesn't have "defaults" to speak of, so it means "don't log from cron facility" |
| 20:23.05 | sword | richcollins: since it's commented |
| 20:23.17 | richcollins | sword, so cron will still log on its own but syslog will not intercept the logging? |
| 20:23.39 | richcollins | my task isn't running and I would like to find out why but I can' |
| 20:23.43 | richcollins | t find a log file |
| 20:24.45 | wols | richcollins: did cron send you mail? |
| 20:24.45 | sword | richcollins: cron can log on it's own, sure, but syslog will ignore any cron messages. Remove the # from the beginning of the line and /etc/init.d/syslog restart |
| 20:24.47 | wols | usually it does if there is an error message when executing a cronjob |
| 20:24.48 | sword | richcollins: seconded |
| 20:24.48 | asg | richcollins: have your 'task' do some debug logging and set a MAILTO=<you> variable in the crontab |
| 20:24.48 | richcollins | wols, Ah I will check - I didn't get a message about new mail though |
| 20:25.06 | wols | richcollins: afaik it's send to root mostly |
| 20:25.18 | richcollins | wols ok thanks I have sudo |
| 20:25.22 | wols | at least mine often is and since I have root an alias for my real acc it gets then sent to that |
| 20:25.50 | richcollins | What do I use to view mail on debian by default? |
| 20:26.04 | xand | richcollins: there isn't a default |
| 20:26.13 | richcollins | xand, So I need to apt-get something? |
| 20:26.17 | richcollins | any suggestions? |
| 20:26.24 | xand | icedove (thunderbird) |
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| 20:26.26 | streuner | richcollins: many people use mutt |
| 20:26.35 | xand | mutt-- |
| 20:26.37 | streuner | richcollins: or just use sylpheed |
| 20:26.39 | richcollins | streuner, Ok thanks I will install that |
| 20:26.49 | asg | richcollins: or just less /var/spool/mail/<loginid> |
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| 20:27.29 | richcollins | asg, Weird every time I apt-get install something it tries to install nginx, which I have already installed |
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| 20:28.01 | asg | richcollins: put it on hold (for now) ; /msg dpkg hold |
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| 20:28.23 | enry | question whay epiphany is installed on debian? |
| 20:28.23 | richcollins | asg, I don't have to specify that it hold nginx? |
| 20:28.29 | enry | what |
| 20:28.37 | asg | richcollins: the factoid will tell you what to do |
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| 20:28.43 | richcollins | k |
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| 20:31.14 | richcollins | hrm there nothing in /var/spool/mail |
| 20:31.33 | asg | richcollins: then your MTA has possibly routed it into ~/Mail or ~/mbox |
| 20:31.42 | richcollins | MTA? |
| 20:31.54 | asg | richcollins: mail transfer agent ... exim by default on Debian |
| 20:32.02 | richcollins | ok thanks |
| 20:32.29 | richcollins | hmm nothing there |
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| 20:32.37 | asg | richcollins: also /var/log/exim{4}/* will tell you if it delivered something |
| 20:33.07 | solars | can anyone give me a hint what I might have forgotten in my kernel if I get kernel panic, vfs: cannot open root device /dev/hdc1 or unknown block(0,0), grub settings are the same as in the working default kernel |
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| 20:33.32 | asg | richcollins: also exim -bt <user> (run as root) will tell you where it would have delivered mail |
| 20:33.39 | mfrisch | solars: harddrive mod |
| 20:34.02 | richcollins | asg, /var/mail/mail |
| 20:34.07 | solars | mfrisch, you mean hd drivers ? |
| 20:34.30 | richcollins | /var/mail is empty |
| 20:34.40 | valdyn | richcollins: just running 'mail' as root should show the mail from cron, unless you set it to send mail to a different user |
| 20:34.44 | cr3 | how can I remove a package which fails on one of the postinst scripts? |
| 20:34.48 | asg | richcollins: then the job failed but didn't send mail apparently |
| 20:34.51 | mfrisch | solars: yeh..usually. You have to compile everything that is needed by the harddisk. |
| 20:35.00 | richcollins | sudo: mail: command not found |
| 20:35.07 | solars | mfrisch, hm its a normal ide disk.. but I'll check |
| 20:35.16 | mfrisch | solars: unless you are using initrd and forgot it |
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| 20:35.24 | xjkx | do you know what i need? A textmode partition resizer freeware which runs on linux and it hasn't |
| 20:35.33 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am using sarge, can some one please point to an explanation as to why there is diff in idle time can be more than uptime and why idle % is not being reported ? http://rafb.net/p/DVuusi65.html |
| 20:35.36 | solars | I'll check that |
| 20:35.38 | richcollins | I'll just uncomment the line in syslog.conf |
| 20:35.42 | valdyn | richcollins: its not installed, duh |
| 20:35.52 | mfrisch | xjkx: uhm parted? |
| 20:36.11 | richcollins | sysklogd |
| 20:36.13 | valdyn | richcollins: the package is mailutils |
| 20:36.21 | richcollins | is the only thing in init.d |
| 20:36.27 | richcollins | there is no syslogd |
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| 20:36.31 | valdyn | richcollins: cron sends job output as mail, i doubt change syslog can change that |
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| 20:36.53 | xjkx | mfrisch, i know gparted, not parted, is gparted a graphical to parted? |
| 20:37.07 | richcollins | valdyn, #cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 20:37.13 | richcollins | that was in syslog.conf |
| 20:37.17 | mfrisch | xjkx: yes but its not ncurses just text mode |
| 20:37.34 | valdyn | richcollins: thats logging what runs, but not the output of that job |
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| 20:37.43 | xjkx | dun care for ncurses thanks |
| 20:38.09 | mfrisch | xjkx: its text mode not ncurses |
| 20:38.42 | richcollins | valdyn, No mail for root |
| 20:38.50 | valdyn | richcollins: your cron logging stuff that can be in /var/log/cron.log is already in /var/log/syslog |
| 20:39.07 | mfrisch | richcollins: do you have a alias set up for root? |
| 20:39.23 | richcollins | mfrisch, I haven't set one up, no |
| 20:39.46 | valdyn | richcollins: at some point durnig install you were asked where system mail is sent to, default is root, you may have picked a user, or cron never sent a mail, or you never set up your mta |
| 20:40.13 | richcollins | valdyn, This is a VPS (slicehost) set up from an image most likely |
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| 20:40.28 | richcollins | So I guess I need to specify that now |
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| 20:40.44 | valdyn | richcollins: you should check if an mta is set up properly |
| 20:40.48 | mfrisch | richcollins: try setting up one for root:username |
| 20:41.04 | richcollins | ok I will read about mta |
| 20:41.16 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 20:41.16 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 20:41.43 | richcollins | exim appears to be running |
| 20:41.51 | richcollins | /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 20:42.06 | richcollins | !why mta |
| 20:42.14 | richcollins | ah |
| 20:42.23 | morten | hi, i have a usbdrive (fat32), but when i mount it in linux, only root has write access, anyone who knows how i give users write access to the drive? |
| 20:42.33 | richcollins | so exim is an mta and it is running |
| 20:42.43 | richcollins | cron is also running (/usr/sbin/cron) |
| 20:42.46 | mfrisch | richcollins: edit /etc/aliases add root:username then restart (username where you want root mail to go) |
| 20:42.48 | valdyn | richcollins: send a test mail like 'echo test | mail -s testsubject root |
| 20:43.40 | richcollins | normal exit |
| 20:43.41 | richcollins | but then no mail for root |
| 20:43.41 | petemc | mfrisch: you dont need to restart exim after changing /etc/aliases |
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| 20:43.55 | mfrisch | petemc: cool did not know. |
| 20:44.49 | richcollins | ok I was able to get the test message |
| 20:45.04 | richcollins | so I will change the crontab and see what happens |
| 20:45.21 | valdyn | richcollins: see /var/log/syslog as to which cronjobs were run |
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| 20:45.56 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 20:45.56 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 20:45.59 | valdyn | morten: ^^^ |
| 20:46.24 | richcollins | valdyn, syslog doesn't show anything about cron jobs |
| 20:46.31 | morten | valdyn->thanks |
| 20:46.59 | richcollins | Apr 5 06:40:53 [MYHOST] -- MARK -- |
| 20:47.03 | richcollins | is all taht is in there |
| 20:47.16 | valdyn | richcollins: that file is rotated, and you have a cronjob run at all recently, see /var/log/syslog* |
| 20:47.34 | richcollins | ok I just got a mail about the cron job I added |
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| 20:47.56 | richcollins | cool that is what I needed |
| 20:48.03 | richcollins | thanks for everyones help and patience |
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| 20:48.37 | botmind | hi! anyone knows how to set up sendmail so it will response prorerly for dsn callbacks? |
| 20:49.11 | richcollins | ah looks like my ssh-agent died for some reason |
| 20:49.20 | botmind | as i am getting this error after got my PTR records set.. 503 valid RCPT command must precede DATA |
| 20:49.39 | xand | !sendmail |
| 20:49.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 20:49.42 | nn-k-laptop | I just got the pic18F4550 to work with linux ccsc compilear and ICD-U downloader !!! yay |
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| 20:51.23 | botmind | dpkg:i want to run because its classic and i want to learn the history of internet |
| 20:51.43 | mfrisch | botmind: dpkg is a bot botmind |
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| 20:52.09 | botmind | xand:do you mean join the channel #sendmail ? noone resposnds... |
| 20:52.41 | xand | no, don't use sendmail |
| 20:52.44 | xand | use exim or something san |
| 20:52.47 | xand | e |
| 20:52.58 | botmind | mfrisch:or thanks.. how can i get some information cocerning dsn callbacks reposnse? |
| 20:53.24 | botmind | xand: why? i set it up already for everything and closed all relays.. there is only one thing left.. |
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| 20:53.57 | richcollins | I see - I started the ssh-agent in a session and then logged out. When cron ran it was not in the same environment and did not have access to the environment variables |
| 20:54.36 | botmind | xand:this stuff will be give me the most knowledge and experience! and this is what i am seeking!! |
| 20:54.37 | mfrisch | botmind: I think I got ten year old books with sendmail. |
| 20:54.39 | richcollins | Is there a way I can start the ssh-agent in a manner than will allow cron to use it? |
| 20:55.11 | botmind | mfrisch:well.. is there anything about dsn callbacks response? |
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| 20:55.49 | mfrisch | botmind: first isn't it dns callbacks response? |
| 20:55.52 | botmind | mfrisch:in net i could find only how to set up dsn callbacks using milter.. |
| 20:56.17 | mfrisch | botmind: milter is sendmail |
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| 20:56.30 | enry | i change the css rathio button in icewesel.....how to do it in epiphany?? where are it's css file? |
| 20:56.46 | enry | his css file |
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| 20:57.27 | mfrisch | enry: dpkg -L ephinany |
| 20:57.36 | ezu5t | is there a command that lists all the timezones known to the OS? |
| 20:57.47 | botmind | mfrisch: well when i send mail to host, it makes a callback then it checks that my host have proper PTR and mx servers set up, then he tries to confirm the existance of the user i am sending from so it will know that its not spam.. and this is where my server fails.. it does not accept this verification.. |
| 20:58.44 | mfrisch | botmind: uhm are you using a home ISP. how are you connecting to the Internet? |
| 20:59.27 | itchi | ezu5t: tzselect |
| 20:59.34 | enry | nothig i think it's using icewesel one |
| 20:59.48 | enry | but how change his bad link? |
| 21:01.04 | botmind | mfrisch:the issue is about my dedicated server which sends mail with sendmail! ) |
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| 21:03.41 | mfrisch | botmind: don't know what you are trying to accomplish. |
| 21:03.55 | grendal_prime | trying to set up openvpn to use one distributed static key for more than one client |
| 21:04.03 | \amethyst | botmind: what kind of callback? ident? |
| 21:04.14 | \amethyst | botmind: or SMPT verify? |
| 21:04.17 | \amethyst | s/PT/TP/ |
| 21:04.24 | richcollins | well this is ugly - is there no way for me to rsync in cron because ssh-agent won't work? |
| 21:04.46 | \amethyst | richcollins: You'll probably have to pass in the passphrase some other way |
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| 21:04.55 | abrotman | shouldwork with keys |
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| 21:05.04 | \amethyst | abrotman: passphrase for the key |
| 21:05.16 | abrotman | you don't have to have a passphrase for the key |
| 21:05.19 | \amethyst | richcollins: OR you can use a keyless passphrase, but protect it well |
| 21:05.33 | richcollins | yeah I think I will have to remove the passphrase :( |
| 21:05.36 | \amethyst | That's going to be no worse than storing the passphrase in a file or something |
| 21:05.45 | \amethyst | richcollins: Make a new key |
| 21:06.05 | botmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.18 | \amethyst | botmind: And you don't have smtp verify enabled? |
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| 21:07.47 | botmind | \amethyst:SMTP verification for callbacks is not enabled |
| 21:08.43 | botmind | \amethyst: i have it enabled for all outgoing mails through PAM and SASL |
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| 21:09.58 | tomdick | what are the restricted entries i've seen in some people's sources.list? |
| 21:11.44 | petemc | isnt that an ubuntu thing? |
| 21:12.03 | botmind | hmm it is working now.. nevermind.. maybe just ptr was not propagaded for that host.. |
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| 21:13.26 | nn-k-laptop | what command would i use to captuer all data that goes threw a already open connection to stdout without disterbing the connection |
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| 21:13.44 | nn-k-laptop | connection as in internet soccket |
| 21:13.58 | petemc | tcpdump |
| 21:14.04 | petemc | or wireshark |
| 21:14.21 | Taa5i | Hello. I'm runnning into a bit of a catch-22 with Etch. I can either have ACPI enabled and have my cardbus work [eg not freeze on boot], but then any power management events [suspension, power button, &c will cause a kernel crash, or have it disabled and the cardbus will not work and will freeze the machine any time a ecard is removed/inserted. Thoughts? |
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| 21:17.17 | humbolto | I want to design a database layout. Don't need to create the DB, just need a GUI editor to produce a printable layout. Do you guys know any OSS tools for that? |
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| 21:17.34 | Guerin | humbolto: gimp |
| 21:17.44 | markybob | dia ? |
| 21:17.50 | dondelelcaro | humbolto: there are a few SQL<->dia and/or dotty converters available. |
| 21:18.08 | humbolto | Guerin: something a little more assisting than Gimp. |
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| 21:19.18 | Ezep | !tell Ezep about swap |
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| 21:20.11 | Reiser2 | abrotman: hi |
| 21:20.17 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:20.54 | abrotman | !tell habilida about away |
| 21:21.20 | Reiser2 | abrotman: man, ours working with gatekeeper, is dificult work with that |
| 21:21.28 | Reiser2 | hours |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | don't use it ? |
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| 21:21.49 | mfrisch | gatekeeper? |
| 21:21.55 | Reiser2 | yeah |
| 21:22.01 | mfrisch | sip proxy? |
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| 21:22.32 | Reiser2 | video conference server |
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| 21:23.42 | mfrisch | Reiser: knew it was something like that. What does it use h.323 |
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| 21:24.10 | Reiser2 | i have 3 computers |
| 21:24.19 | Reiser2 | Server and 2 endpoints |
| 21:24.25 | Taa5i | Anyone know why disabling ACPI might cause my pcmcia cards to freeze the machine or not work, and enabling it might cause any power event to cause a kernel crash? |
| 21:24.29 | Taa5i | In Debian Etch |
| 21:24.38 | mfrisch | Reiser: have you done the sip way I hear its a little better |
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| 21:24.49 | Reiser2 | no |
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| 21:25.11 | Sherlockian | i need to restart my pcmcia card, without have to physically pull it out, is there a service for that? |
| 21:25.13 | nn-k-laptop | what is all that junk at the frount of each irc packet?? |
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| 21:25.36 | mfrisch | Reiser: sip can do video. |
| 21:25.38 | h3sp4wn | Taa5i: tried any of the - noapic nolapic irq=poll options ? (on a laptop you probably want acpi) |
| 21:25.50 | valdyn | Sherlockian: pccardctl |
| 21:25.50 | Sherlockian | i tired /etc/init.d/pcmciautils restart but it says PCMCIA bridge driver already present in kernel |
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| 21:26.01 | Taa5i | Sherlockian: pccardctl reset? Or pccardctl eject/insert |
| 21:26.01 | Sherlockian | valdyn: that does what? |
| 21:26.08 | Sherlockian | ok |
| 21:26.24 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: any web page to read how to configure? |
| 21:26.25 | elif | How to have usb-storage automagically mounted using fluxbox as wm ? |
| 21:26.49 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 21:26.53 | Taa5i | h3sp4wn: I have not. Let me see. |
| 21:27.01 | Reiser2 | i can comunicate with andpoints |
| 21:27.07 | Reiser2 | using gnomemeeting |
| 21:27.25 | mfrisch | Reiser: give me a sec...what do you want just video conferencing, a voip pbx with POTS connections? How many users? |
| 21:27.41 | Reiser2 | i need only videoconferencing |
| 21:27.50 | Reiser2 | humm |
| 21:27.53 | Reiser2 | could be 10 |
| 21:28.09 | Sherlockian | valdyn: thx that did the trick |
| 21:28.25 | Sherlockian | pccardctl eject 1 |
| 21:28.30 | Sherlockian | pccardctl insert 1 |
| 21:28.42 | Sherlockian | now i just gtg script it =) i think |
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| 21:29.22 | mfrisch | Reiser: here's a history http://myhome.hanafos.com/~soonjp/vchx.html |
| 21:29.29 | Taa5i | h3sp4wn: I just tried noapic nolapic irq=poll, and I still get kernel crashes on any power event [eg closing the lid]. |
| 21:29.55 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: history? |
| 21:30.38 | mfrisch | Reiser: here is video for asterisk http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+video |
| 21:30.57 | mfrisch | Reiser: history of video conferencing |
| 21:31.00 | Taa5i | Problem seems to be that the buggy linux acpi is overriding the functional BIOS APM. |
| 21:31.35 | |rouemirc| | I have some APE (Monkey's Audio) files with CUE files (so one APE per album) that I want split up, and converted to FLAC. |
| 21:31.52 | |rouemirc| | Would it be easier to convert to FLAC first or split it up first? |
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| 21:32.33 | Sherlockian | does unstable flavor of debian have enough stablilty for everyday use? |
| 21:32.43 | |rouemirc| | I'm just afraid the CUE wont work if I transcode to FLAC, so I want to split it up first |
| 21:32.43 | azeem | Sherlockian: no |
| 21:32.48 | wad | Sherlockian, I use the testing version (etch). |
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| 21:33.06 | Sherlockian | unstable is (sid), right? |
| 21:33.10 | Sherlockian | sarge is stable? |
| 21:33.12 | wols | yes |
| 21:33.24 | |rouemirc| | But what can I use to cut the APE file up with it's CUE sheet? |
| 21:33.37 | wad | Sherlockian, yes. It goes, in order of stability: old stable (woody), stable (sarge), testing (etch), unstable (sid), experimental |
| 21:33.45 | vin` | !greetings |
| 21:33.46 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 21:33.51 | Sherlockian | wad: gotcha |
| 21:33.55 | wad | etch is very close to becoming the new "stable". |
| 21:34.08 | wad | Most likely in a week or two, is my guess. |
| 21:34.09 | wols | roue: convert to wav or aiff, then use an audiot editor like audacity or such |
| 21:34.16 | mfrisch | Reiser: there is some good software for setting up asterisk there are freepbx and elastix which are php and mysql based. I hear "one day" there will be freepbx debs for etch. |
| 21:34.28 | Sherlockian | does debian put a date on their releases like ubuntu, or is it when its done? |
| 21:34.33 | wad | nope. |
| 21:34.34 | roue | thanks wols, but I have no such need :) |
| 21:34.43 | Taa5i | I set apm=on as a boot option, but ACPI still overrides it and disables it again.. how do I resolve this please? |
| 21:34.50 | wad | It's done when it's done. See this page: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 21:34.55 | wols | roue: yes. rouemirc does |
| 21:35.00 | wad | When that lower number (21) reaches zero, it becomes stable. |
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| 21:35.12 | mfrisch | Taai: do acpi=no too |
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| 21:35.34 | elif | someone knows if it's easy task to get automounted usb-storage device using fluxbox, because it's easy with gnome, i'm using debian etch. |
| 21:36.36 | Sherlockian | wad: good to hear |
| 21:36.44 | petemc | elif: ive used the package usbmount in the past, works ok |
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| 21:37.31 | elif | petemc: thks. I'll try. |
| 21:37.34 | Taa5i | mfrisch: If I do that, my pcmcia cards stop working :/ |
| 21:37.50 | mfrisch | Taai: aah sorry :-( |
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| 21:39.04 | \amethyst | I don't know the plugin, so I can't really help you there |
| 21:39.05 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:39.12 | Taa5i | Frustration. No matter what I try in Etch, I either get kernel crashes or no cardbus. |
| 21:39.41 | itchi | Taa5i: Is that on a laptop? |
| 21:39.53 | Taa5i | itchi: Yes. |
| 21:40.12 | Alam_Debian | did anyone said Opera do not work anymore on Debian Etch? |
| 21:40.14 | vin` | so going by that bug scan graph, sarge has 29 more bugs than etch eh? |
| 21:40.17 | Taa5i | itchi: Under sarge I couldn't get any sort of hibernation to work at all, in Etch it does, but I'm left with this dilemma. |
| 21:40.17 | itchi | Taa5i: Did you look on tuxmobile or linux-on-laptop about that brand of laptop? |
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| 21:40.34 | Zarephath | Hello Linux community..need some help although it isn't related to Deb....my friends kid has a Dell Inspiron B130...I can't get their tech support to tell me the keystroke combination to get into the frickin' M$ restore on the other hard drive partition...anyone know what it is? |
| 21:40.35 | vin` | Taa5i: which kernel? |
| 21:40.47 | itchi | Taa5i: Which brand and model is it? |
| 21:40.56 | vin` | Zarephath: nuke it. |
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| 21:41.35 | Zarephath | Yeah.if I had my way I would just install linux that way all the rampant infections this thing has would not happen |
| 21:41.49 | Zarephath | that is not an option :( |
| 21:42.03 | vin` | keep callin 'em then. |
| 21:42.22 | Taa5i | vin`: 2.6.18-4 |
| 21:42.22 | itchi | Taa5i: You can use acpi=force too |
| 21:42.25 | itchi | Taa5i: Hold on |
| 21:42.31 | Taa5i | itchi: Panasonic toughbook cf-27 |
| 21:43.03 | vin` | sounds tough, how tough is it? |
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| 21:43.16 | itchi | Taa5i: Look here http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?a=i386 and do a search on that page about 'acpi'. |
| 21:43.22 | mfrisch | Taai: you drop it for fun yet? |
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| 21:43.31 | Taa5i | mfrisch: All the time ;) |
| 21:43.38 | itchi | Taa5i: You get to know which options you can provide |
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| 21:44.59 | skel | is it possible to have cron execute something every 5 days? |
| 21:45.12 | skel | I'm not clear on how I'd do that after looking at the wiki and man pages |
| 21:45.38 | mfrisch | Reiser: you should check out them too http://sourceforge.net/projects/vmukti/ |
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| 21:46.57 | itchi | Taa5i: Wait, did you give as param noapic and nolapic ? |
| 21:47.18 | itchi | Taa5i: http://www.dougmcintosh.co.uk/index.php/Debian_Toughbook#Debian_Linux_On_A_Panasonic_Toughbook_CF-27 |
| 21:47.57 | vin` | skel: /usr/share/doc/anacron/README.gz |
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| 21:50.39 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: the rare thing is |
| 21:50.40 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: i have to use addpasswd to create users |
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| 21:50.41 | skel | vin`: ty |
| 21:50.41 | Reiser2 | but when i type password in each endpoint with GnomeMeeting, can't comunicate |
| 21:50.42 | Reiser2 | worng user/password |
| 21:50.44 | mfrisch | Reiser: that may be your problem today. Try local ssh to the box and try. |
| 21:51.07 | Taa5i | itchi: I just tried the kernel options listedthere and it works gorgeously, thanks! |
| 21:51.47 | itchi | Taa5i: No probs ;-) Your welcome ;-) Just look on 'tuxmobile' and 'linux-on-laptop' the next time. There are great info |
| 21:52.28 | mfrisch | Taai: yeah yeah. now drop it once for me. |
| 21:52.33 | dalias | hey |
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| 21:52.50 | dalias | i can't figure out how to use uim-gtk2.0 after installing the package |
| 21:53.13 | dalias | i set GTK_IM_MODULE=uim and ran gtk programs, but it seems to be ignoring uim |
| 21:53.41 | itchi | dalias: Did you read the docs provided with that package? |
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| 21:54.18 | dalias | i looked in /usr/share/doc but couldn't find much.. |
| 21:54.24 | dalias | maybe i'm just stupid and missed stuff |
| 21:54.25 | Taa5i | mfrisch: Did you hear that loud thunk? That was for you. ;) |
| 21:54.36 | dalias | can you suggest a particular file i should look at? |
| 21:54.51 | itchi | dalias: I dunno about that stuff :-s |
| 21:55.30 | dalias | :( |
| 21:56.55 | mikeyman77 | whats the best way to get a source package for a wireless card driver so that when i format and do not have inet access, I can get my wlan nic up? |
| 21:57.12 | Taa5i | mikeyman77: usb stick is what I use. |
| 21:57.34 | mfrisch | Taai: YAAH have you seen the fieldworks "laptop" check it out http://www.logic-instrument-us.com/index_files/Page411.htm |
| 21:57.40 | mikeyman77 | just throw the file on it? |
| 21:57.58 | Taa5i | mikeyman77: yup. That's how I transferred my wireless fw over just yesterday. |
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| 21:58.18 | dr-online | 6 |
| 21:58.42 | xand | 5 |
| 21:59.21 | Taa5i | mfrisch: Very nice. That's similar to what I have [although mine doesn't have xp or a cd drive]: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/glenm51/Comp/Comp1.jpg |
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| 21:59.54 | scruffy | is there a solution to the problem of Iceweasel being "dertected" |
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| 22:00.05 | scruffy | is there a solution to the problem of Iceweasel being "detected" as not being Firefox? |
| 22:00.10 | mfrisch | Taai: you can run those over with a tank...least they use to |
| 22:00.23 | valdyn | scruffy: detected by what? |
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| 22:00.33 | scruffy | valdyn: numerous sites |
| 22:00.51 | valdyn | scruffy: about:config, change the id |
| 22:00.51 | scruffy | valdyn: hang on, I'm going to see what my agent string actually says |
| 22:01.03 | valdyn | scruffy: if its really that... |
| 22:01.05 | Sherlockian | i'm kinda new to IRC, what else is out here? Knw any good chats, files....im new? |
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| 22:01.36 | itchi | mfrisch: Did you see that Panasonic in that car that have burn. It still work(tm) |
| 22:01.42 | mikeyman77 | Taa5i: would this work? rt2500-source_1.1.0-b4-3_all.deb |
| 22:01.55 | scruffy | valdyn: what do you see here in Iceweasel (if you're using it)? http://www.cpgnuke.com/ |
| 22:01.58 | itchi | mfrisch: http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/testimonials.htm |
| 22:02.25 | valdyn | scruffy: usually use epiphany, but i can use iceweasel.. |
| 22:02.28 | Taa5i | mikeyman77: Yeah, just have to make sure you have any dependencies as well, then install with dpkg I belive. |
| 22:02.46 | valdyn | scruffy: You are banned from this site due to a unknown user-agent. |
| 22:02.50 | valdyn | scruffy: what an asshole |
| 22:02.57 | mfrisch | itchi: cool |
| 22:03.03 | scruffy | valdyn: I'll bet epiphany is guaranteed to be 'banned' (bastards) :) |
| 22:03.23 | valdyn | scruffy: iceweasel works though |
| 22:03.28 | scruffy | valdyn: yes, I thought that was pretty rude, too. |
| 22:03.41 | mikeyman77 | ok |
| 22:03.48 | scruffy | valdyn: is your user-agent different than the default maintainer's string? |
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| 22:04.29 | scruffy | valdyn: another example is that none of the JavaScript works here, although it claims to support Firefox 1.x or higher: http://spaweditor.com/en/disp.php/en_products/en_spaw/en_spaw_demo |
| 22:04.40 | valdyn | scruffy: general.useragent.extra.firefox Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 |
| 22:05.10 | ghju | Hi, I have a hda with normal partition and 40GB free, what is the way to 'expand' or 'resize' a partition to get size of unused space? |
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| 22:05.20 | scruffy | valdyn: mine says Debian-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.2-3 |
| 22:05.46 | mfrisch | ghju: parted gparted |
| 22:05.46 | Taa5i | Anyone know where support for 3com 3c3fem556c went in Etch? Worked in Sarge but not anymore. |
| 22:05.53 | scruffy | valdyn: my /etc/debian_version is 4.0 (etch) |
| 22:06.01 | valdyn | scruffy: sid, and firefox 2.0.0.3 |
| 22:06.09 | valdyn | scruffy: err, iceweasel |
| 22:06.13 | scruffy | valdyn: hehe |
| 22:06.17 | ghju | mfrisch: It works with xfs? |
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| 22:06.40 | mfrisch | ghju: probaly not |
| 22:06.51 | wols | xfs_tools can enlarge I think |
| 22:07.11 | wols | xfs_growfs yes |
| 22:07.27 | ghju | wols: but, a 'normal' partition? how can I do it? |
| 22:07.49 | wols | mfrisch arelady told you |
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| 22:07.57 | mfrisch | ghju: if its / that you want to change you will need a live cd |
| 22:08.00 | itchi | ghju: What mean you with a normal partition? |
| 22:08.08 | ghju | a mounted partition |
| 22:08.12 | ghju | not LVM |
| 22:08.19 | mfrisch | ^^^^ |
| 22:08.23 | ghju | a logical partition for example |
| 22:08.26 | wols | can't do such things to mounted partitions |
| 22:08.31 | scruffy | valdyn: hmm, I clicked reset on that value, and it says Iceweasel/2.0.0.2 (maybe that was my problem). Does Firefox actually use Firefox/2.0.0.2? |
| 22:08.38 | ghju | wols: nope? :( |
| 22:08.53 | wols | are you deaf? or illiterate? |
| 22:09.12 | ghju | mfrisch: I want for example to 'resize' /opt |
| 22:09.21 | mfrisch | ghju: if its / you will need a live cd |
| 22:09.28 | scruffy | valdyn: thanks for the help |
| 22:09.35 | ghju | nope, /opt is a separate partition |
| 22:09.55 | wols | then unmount and resize |
| 22:09.58 | ghju | /dev/hdd13 on /opt type xfs (rw,noatime) |
| 22:10.02 | mfrisch | ghju: umount it then resize remount done |
| 22:10.05 | ghju | how resize? :) |
| 22:10.16 | wols | wtf about parted you don't understand? |
| 22:10.25 | ghju | No Implementation: Support for opening xfs file systems is not implemented yet. |
| 22:10.28 | ghju | this :( |
| 22:10.45 | wols | then delete the partition in a fdisk and recreate it bigger, the use xfs_growfs |
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| 22:10.53 | mfrisch | wols: you told him to use the xfs-tools. they might work |
| 22:11.06 | wols | they do. xfs_growfs as I said |
| 22:11.20 | ghju | do I need to delete the partition?? |
| 22:11.24 | wols | yes |
| 22:11.29 | ghju | aahhhh :( |
| 22:11.31 | mfrisch | wols: quit |
| 22:11.34 | mfrisch | ghju: no |
| 22:11.35 | wols | if you don't know about such things, maybe it's better you don't try |
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| 22:11.59 | wols | mfrisch: how do you propose to enlargen the partition then? |
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| 22:12.29 | mfrisch | wols: umount xfs_growfs remount done. |
| 22:12.29 | BadKitty | hey Bogus8...miss me much? |
| 22:12.44 | Bogus8 | BadKitty: what up! |
| 22:12.45 | wols | mfrisch: and xfs_growfs will adjust the partition table? |
| 22:13.13 | wols | mfrisch: if you had read its manpage you'd knew it won't do that |
| 22:13.16 | BadKitty | feeling much better thanks |
| 22:13.24 | Bogus8 | good good |
| 22:13.27 | mfrisch | wols: your right it won't umount parted xfs_growfs remount done |
| 22:13.41 | redduck666 | i configured sowtware raid1 with debian installer, everything seems to work fine, except one little detail, if i take out sda dsb doesn't boot :(. the actual data is there as if i mount partitions on sdb i can see the data. |
| 22:13.48 | redduck666 | any help appreciated. |
| 22:13.53 | BadKitty | i am still not a registered user |
| 22:14.03 | wols | redduck666: the bootloader is on sda only |
| 22:14.07 | BadKitty | i came a lookin for you |
| 22:14.14 | Bogus8 | ah |
| 22:14.17 | wols | and getting it on /sdb and still work right is a bitch, when no sda is present |
| 22:14.24 | BadKitty | i can flip over to accessirc |
| 22:14.36 | BadKitty | if you wanna come crawl in there with me |
| 22:14.49 | Bogus8 | just join #bogus888 |
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| 22:14.55 | redduck666 | wols: i tried running grub-install from system, it said it installed the bootloader on both sda and sdb, but i still can't boot from sdb |
| 22:16.05 | wols | redduck666: grub doesn't know about raid1 |
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| 22:16.14 | wols | so it can only use either sda or sdb for boot. not both |
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| 22:16.32 | vin` | BadKitty: how bad are you? ;) |
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| 22:17.28 | redduck666 | wols: ok, thanks. |
| 22:17.37 | odla | vin': that's offtopic |
| 22:17.41 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
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| 22:19.27 | Taa5i | Can someone suggest a good network monitor/sniffer for console, please? I got a xircom ethernet card installed and the Tx light keeps blinking like crazy with no active connections that I am aware of. |
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| 22:20.25 | wintix | Taa5i: tcpdump? |
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| 22:21.57 | Taa5i | Hm, I keep getting erorrs from dpkg about fonty any time I try to install anything else. |
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| 22:24.54 | itchi | Taa5i: Can you pastebin the error please? |
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| 22:26.13 | Taa5i | It starts out: /var/lib/dpkg/info/fonty.postinst: line 91: /etc/console-tools/config.d/fonty.dpkg-tmp: No such file or directory |
| 22:26.20 | Taa5i | Been getting it ever since I upgraded to Etch |
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| 22:30.12 | Taa5i | Weird.. I think I know why my laptop's ethernet adatper is frobbing, it seems to be displaying activity for anything on my network :o |
| 22:30.33 | wols | promiscuos mode? |
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| 22:31.18 | Taa5i | Not according to ifconfig at least. |
| 22:31.26 | xingu | perhaps it's connected to a hub. |
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| 22:31.55 | itchi | Taa5i: Dunno, but that consern that 'fonty' package i guess |
| 22:32.12 | itchi | s/consern/concern/ |
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| 22:32.34 | Taa5i | xingu: I have it plugged into the same switch as my desktop, but I really don't remmeber it acting this way under Sarge. |
| 22:32.44 | Taa5i | It's not a big concern, just weird :p |
| 22:32.48 | itchi | Taa5i: I may tell you, remove that 'fonty' package |
| 22:33.03 | Taa5i | I tried entering and exiting promisc mode via ifconfig with no change. |
| 22:33.57 | Taa5i | Thanks itchi, it's gone now. |
| 22:34.26 | xingu | it's the dce that controls what frames are sent to your port |
| 22:34.39 | xingu | so either the dce is a hub or it's a useless or buggy or badly configured switch |
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| 22:35.13 | xingu | either way you can't really steer this from the dte end |
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| 22:35.44 | rsk | hello how can i chek how long i have had debian installed? |
| 22:36.12 | rsk | and i have rebooted once :D so uptime wont do ;) |
| 22:36.45 | wols | ctime of /usr? |
| 22:38.31 | rsk | hm i dont have ctime installed |
| 22:38.45 | rsk | and cant find it in apt |
| 22:39.21 | itchi | rsk: Look to that 'uptimed' package |
| 22:39.25 | wols | ctime is not a program |
| 22:39.35 | rsk | ah |
| 22:39.37 | wols | it's a meta datafield for every file on your disk |
| 22:39.39 | rsk | you mean creation time? |
| 22:39.43 | wols | yes |
| 22:39.43 | petemc | i dont think the ctime would be any good anyway |
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| 22:40.16 | vin` | look at the ctime of /etc/issue |
| 22:40.22 | itchi | rsk: Uptimed contain a nice tool 'uprecords' that show you all your old 'uptime' |
| 22:40.55 | rsk | okey |
| 22:41.00 | Pobega | How do I check the ctime of a file? Is there a command to use or something? |
| 22:41.18 | itchi | Pobega: find ?? |
| 22:41.26 | rsk | doh it dosent find my old uptimes :) |
| 22:41.36 | itchi | rsk: No, cause you old where not recorded |
| 22:41.38 | rsk | guess i had to install that at the same time i installed debian then |
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| 22:42.40 | dutchfish | how can i ask the slices/sec from a running kernel? |
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| 22:52.21 | staniel|home | hello |
| 22:52.35 | staniel | hello |
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| 22:53.18 | staniel | what font packages do I need to get the flash-plugin to show fonts properly? |
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| 22:54.13 | lhunath | if I want to install kicker 3.3.2 instead of the kicker 3.5 that I have currently installed; how do I go about that? |
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| 22:54.27 | lhunath | apt-get install -t '3.3*' kicker just tells me I'm already up to date. |
| 22:54.34 | streuner | What's wrong with 3.5? |
| 22:54.45 | lhunath | it's got a bug to do with java system tray. |
| 22:55.29 | lhunath | so until somebody updates sun-java6-jdk to the already released 6u1 I need to revert kicker. |
| 22:56.35 | foo | http://pastebin.ca/426158 - eh, any ideas on this? |
| 22:56.48 | streuner | ask in #debian-kde about |
| 22:57.21 | lhunath | all I want to know is how to select an older package version; that's nothing kde-specific. |
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| 22:58.15 | streuner | well, its surely not that trivial to downgrade a single package in KDE |
| 22:58.34 | streuner | without re-installing KDE |
| 22:58.35 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.37 | azeem | bah |
| 22:59.00 | lhunath | hrm. |
| 22:59.08 | lhunath | I see your point. |
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| 22:59.27 | streuner | basically you could just run 'dpkg -i <package>', but i doubt that this package doesn't depend on less others... |
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| 22:59.46 | streuner | but just try it |
| 22:59.48 | streuner | !sdn |
| 22:59.48 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 23:00.15 | lhunath | kicker-3.3 is in sarge still. |
| 23:00.32 | foo | http://pastebin.ca/426158 - err, any ideas on these apt-get errors. This is a fresh install of debian... I don't see a valid reason why I should be having these problems. |
| 23:00.38 | streuner | sure, just use pdo (packages.d.o) and download the package then |
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| 23:01.33 | dutchfish | how can i obtain time-slices per second number? is it from /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq? |
| 23:02.25 | dutchfish | normally a kernel should have 100 p/sec slices? |
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| 23:03.53 | dutchfish | i ask this because netfilter's top-notch throughtput is bottle-necked by this? |
| 23:04.01 | zenwryly | I notice that that the /etc/acpi/sleep.sh script has /dev/hda hardcoded in it throughout. What's the "proper" way to get it working on a laptop with /dev/sda? Just edit that file? Or is there a configuration somewhere? |
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| 23:04.49 | itchi | foo: What are you installing? |
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| 23:05.37 | itchi | !info netkit-inetd |
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| 23:06.25 | streuner | "Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Setting up netkit-inetd (0.10-10) ...#dpkg: error processing netkit-inetd (--configure):# subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 23:06.25 | streuner | foo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:06.26 | NefariousPrior | packages.debian.org says enlightenment is version "1:0.16.7.2-5"... but how do I derive the real version from that? |
| 23:07.00 | foo | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:07.05 | foo | itchi: apt-get upgrade as of right now. |
| 23:07.11 | itchi | hhm, is on Sarge |
| 23:07.15 | foo | yup. |
| 23:07.21 | streuner | and you want etch? |
| 23:07.37 | streuner | !info netkit-inetd etch |
| 23:07.45 | itchi | does not exist |
| 23:07.47 | foo | I want to be able to apt-get upgrade without it throwing an error. |
| 23:08.43 | markybob | i want people to stop mixing distributions |
| 23:08.54 | streuner | good idea |
| 23:09.05 | ghju | How can I see how debian was compiled a program? |
| 23:09.05 | streuner | foo: How about to remove that package? |
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| 23:09.10 | itchi | markybob: Nah, leave poeple the liberty of. Just maybe, not support mixed releases |
| 23:09.10 | foo | err, it must have been this dotdeb source. |
| 23:09.28 | streuner | nah |
| 23:09.39 | foo | No? |
| 23:09.39 | streuner | that package exist in sarge, but not in etch |
| 23:09.59 | foo | Then I don't think I'm missing sources. Let me pastebin my sources.list. |
| 23:10.16 | streuner | Can you remove that package? |
| 23:11.01 | azeem | foo: do you want to upgrade to etch_ |
| 23:11.02 | azeem | ? |
| 23:11.06 | foo | azeem: Nope. |
| 23:11.11 | streuner | hm |
| 23:11.24 | foo | streuner: Remove netkit-inetd ? |
| 23:11.25 | streuner | why does it configure that package new? |
| 23:11.31 | ghju | How can I see how debian was compiled a program --configure options etc? |
| 23:11.43 | wols | ghju: by getting the source |
| 23:11.58 | foo | streuner: I did remove inetd. err, maybe I borked it. darn it I hope I can fix this. |
| 23:12.25 | streuner | why the hell you mess with inetd at all? |
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| 23:14.25 | liable | doesnt matter, its a sarge package, shouldnt really fail like that anyway |
| 23:15.00 | GhostlyDeath | How do I make every file in a folder lowercase and remove spaces? |
| 23:15.05 | foo | streuner: err, the port was open.. I don't need it.. proftpd runs standalone. I don't know why I would need it. Err, I shouldn't have just not touched it. Can I install it and be ok? Hm. I just want to get rid of all these errors now |
| 23:15.19 | streuner | !open ports |
| 23:15.19 | dpkg | hmm... open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 23:15.30 | streuner | nah, not this :-) |
| 23:15.41 | foo | streuner: err, did I bork the install? |
| 23:15.55 | streuner | Don't care about open ports, care about what you done to your system |
| 23:16.08 | foo | That's all I care about now |
| 23:16.31 | GhostlyDeath | and how do I remove ( ) also? |
| 23:16.59 | GhostlyDeath | Because using some kind of script or command would be alot faster than rename 3k files manually |
| 23:18.26 | Vladi | hi, i am having problems with the megaraid driver giving me RESET errors / "failed to do reset" while under heavy load? does someone know anything aobut this problem? |
| 23:18.57 | streuner | foo: dpkg -l netkit-inetd |
| 23:19.07 | streuner | foo: dpkg -l inetutils-inetd |
| 23:20.20 | streuner | foo: it seems you don't need netkit-inetd at all... |
| 23:20.24 | petemc | Vladi: updating the firmware on the perc3 controllers i had helped with issues under load |
| 23:20.42 | streuner | rc netkit-inetd 0.10-10.3 The Internet Superserver |
| 23:20.48 | petemc | tho it must be said, they're still not great under heavy load |
| 23:20.58 | streuner | ii inetutils-inetd 1.5.dfsg.1-4 Internet super server |
| 23:21.04 | Vladi | petemc: to which firmware ? do u remember i currently have 5.0.2-0003 |
| 23:22.15 | foo | streuner: ok, so remove it - right? |
| 23:22.46 | petemc | Vladi: im not sure off hand |
| 23:24.11 | streuner | foo: just mv (move) post-installation script of netkit-inetd to /tmp and run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 23:24.31 | streuner | foo: or try to fix that script |
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| 23:24.37 | foo | streuner: hm, how do I move it? hmm |
| 23:24.57 | streuner | foo: error 1 means usually a file doesn't exists |
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| 23:25.31 | darkapostrophe | Can anyone tell me the easiest way to scan a certain IP range for connected devices? (192.168.0.100 - 200) |
| 23:25.36 | frankr | I just built a software router but I'm a little confused with iptables and how to get my pppoe cable modem working.. could someone give me a good tutorial? |
| 23:25.37 | darkapostrophe | I just installed new firmware in my router, and need to rediscover the IPs.. :/ |
| 23:25.45 | wintix | darkapostrophe: nmap |
| 23:26.03 | darkapostrophe | wintix: I don't know how to use it. A bit of a networking newb here. |
| 23:26.05 | wintix | darkapostrophe: e.g. 'nmap -sP 192.168.0.* |
| 23:26.10 | darkapostrophe | Even the GUI is complex |
| 23:26.13 | petemc | nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 23:26.34 | darkapostrophe | Ok... Which of the two? |
| 23:26.43 | wintix | Either one will work. |
| 23:26.50 | darkapostrophe | I just want between 192.168.0.100 and 192.168.0.200 |
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| 23:26.52 | petemc | wouldnt the shell expand that * ? |
| 23:27.04 | Maxigraf | hi, can anyone plz help me installing hostap driver on my linux machine? |
| 23:27.07 | wintix | petemc: no. * works fine. |
| 23:27.09 | lhunath | not if you don't have any 192.168.0.* files in the current directory |
| 23:27.17 | lhunath | and if you're worried about that quote it. |
| 23:27.25 | petemc | wintix: ah, so it does |
| 23:28.03 | darkapostrophe | It found three hosts. Weird, I have four connected devices. |
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| 23:28.13 | petemc | actually, it gives me odd results.. |
| 23:28.27 | frankr | the * works fine I just tried it :P |
| 23:28.44 | lhunath | don't have to trust me |
| 23:28.52 | streuner | foo: just mv postrm from that package (/var/lib/dpkg/info/) into /tmp |
| 23:28.55 | darkapostrophe | I've got a device gone AWOL. |
| 23:28.57 | darkapostrophe | lol |
| 23:28.58 | agent | Does anyone know of a way to recover a media DVD that refuses to be read? Not even dd works on it, yet it is not scratched. |
| 23:29.11 | streuner | !info dd-rescue |
| 23:29.23 | wintix | darkapostrophe: check 192.168.1.* (you have to configure your network to reach that range first) |
| 23:29.34 | streuner | !info ddrescue |
| 23:29.36 | dpkg | ddrescue: (copies data from one file or block device to another), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 23:29.42 | darkapostrophe | No, my router only uses 192.168.0.* |
| 23:29.42 | wintix | !tell Maxigraf about anyone |
| 23:29.50 | wintix | !tell Maxigraf about ask |
| 23:29.58 | darkapostrophe | It's an el-cheapo D-Link DI-604 Rev D |
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| 23:30.22 | streuner | agent: try ddrescue |
| 23:30.43 | streuner | agent: apt-cache search dvd backup |
| 23:30.50 | wintix | darkapostrophe: dlink should either be 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.50 |
| 23:30.51 | agent | stew: Thank you, I will try it! |
| 23:30.59 | streuner | np |
| 23:31.02 | darkapostrophe | wintix: I found the error. |
| 23:31.10 | darkapostrophe | wintix: My mother turned off the computer in the kitchen. |
| 23:31.12 | darkapostrophe | :) |
| 23:31.25 | wintix | darkapostrophe: hehe. :) |
| 23:32.02 | darkapostrophe | dvs_: She's not Windows. |
| 23:32.05 | darkapostrophe | :P |
| 23:32.14 | agent | GNU/Mother |
| 23:32.15 | dvs_ | heh |
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| 23:32.37 | wintix | agent: :D |
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| 23:33.18 | Maxigraf | ok, then i have debian testing with kernel 2.6.18-4-686, and i need hostap drivers which won't install via module-assistant because it doesn't find the source package, so i downloaded it from some page found with google and can't compile, because it alwas tells me i can't build for 2.6 with a non-2.6 source, so can plz someone help me? ^^ |
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| 23:34.46 | agent | Maxigraf: May6be you need kernel headers? |
| 23:34.59 | Maxigraf | i already installed them |
| 23:35.16 | Maxigraf | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-all |
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| 23:36.37 | streuner | Maxigraf: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 23:36.54 | Maxigraf | already installed ^^ |
| 23:37.16 | streuner | !b-e Maxigraf |
| 23:37.16 | dpkg | Maxigraf: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 23:37.29 | Maxigraf | i already did... |
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| 23:37.59 | Maxigraf | also i have module-assistant up and running, it just can't seem to find the source file for the hostap driver... |
| 23:38.01 | itchi | Why does the directory listing no more work on apache after an upgrade on a Sarge box? |
| 23:38.06 | streuner | well, are you running that kernel already (2.6.18)? |
| 23:38.11 | Maxigraf | sure |
| 23:38.46 | Maxigraf | uname -r outputs 2.6.16-4-686 |
| 23:38.48 | streuner | where did you get this package (drivers) from? |
| 23:38.58 | Maxigraf | which package? |
| 23:39.23 | Maxigraf | hostap.epitest.fi |
| 23:40.30 | Maxigraf | hm, i meant it outputs 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:40.31 | Maxigraf | omfg ^^ |
| 23:40.31 | streuner | that doesn't exist in debian |
| 23:40.36 | tvynr | 'kay... I've asked this before but my situation has changed and I was wondering if I could ask for opinions again. I need a headless, daemonizable BitTorrent client that I can control using bash scripts. |
| 23:40.38 | Maxigraf | it should... |
| 23:40.47 | Maxigraf | it's in the module-assisant list... ^^ |
| 23:40.52 | enouf | itchi: ?? result after a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:40.53 | azeem | streuner: it's the etch kernel, AFAICT |
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| 23:42.56 | Maxigraf | i also found the driver here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/hostap-source |
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| 23:43.03 | Maxigraf | but this won't compile either... |
| 23:43.19 | streuner | !info hostap-source etch |
| 23:43.23 | agent | Even dd_resuce gives errors and quits right from the beginning creating a 0byte iso file. :( |
| 23:43.30 | itchi | enouf: yup |
| 23:43.33 | Maxigraf | !info hostap-source etch |
| 23:43.34 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'hostap-source' does not exist |
| 23:43.35 | sdlfk | haha kewl |
| 23:43.39 | itchi | enouf: s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 23:43.42 | Maxigraf | i see... |
| 23:43.51 | SDBolts21n56 | If i have a system that has mulitple network cards, can i use linux as ethernet switch or bridge? |
| 23:43.51 | Maxigraf | so that means |
| 23:43.53 | Maxigraf | ? |
| 23:44.23 | streuner | Maxigraf: try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:44.30 | itchi | enouf: Got the same trouble? |
| 23:44.35 | agent | SDBolts21n56: Of course. I do not know how it's done today, but back in the day you used iptables, etc. if I remember correctly. |
| 23:44.48 | enouf | itchi: haven't run sarge in a while :-( |
| 23:44.49 | itchi | enouf: I'm watching the bugs to, amaaai there are lots :-s |
| 23:45.16 | SDBolts21n56 | agent, thanks for the reply. |
| 23:45.25 | enouf | itchi: so tell us what actually happens wrong now |
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| 23:45.40 | wintix | SDBolts21n56: have a look at bridge-utils |
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| 23:45.49 | itchi | enouf: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/ does no more show the dir listing :-( |
| 23:45.59 | Greg2 | hello |
| 23:46.02 | enouf | itchi: ls -al doesn't work on an Apache dir? or through networking? or |
| 23:46.03 | Chocobo | !help |
| 23:46.17 | wintix | !tell Chocobo about ask |
| 23:46.29 | itchi | enouf: I not have touched that http.conf file before the trouble happend. It had worked for some time before |
| 23:46.29 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, thanks |
| 23:46.55 | enouf | itchi: you url == 404 Not Found :-( |
| 23:47.01 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, do you know if that support vlan tagging? |
| 23:47.06 | itchi | enouf: Yup :-( |
| 23:47.12 | Chocobo | Sweet thanks. I have a freind running debian, and I was just wondering what repos he should add to get non-free software such as Java? |
| 23:47.12 | enouf | heh |
| 23:47.18 | SDBolts21n56 | or does anyone know of vlan taggings software? |
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| 23:47.31 | liable | itchi: theres a module you need to enable |
| 23:47.36 | itchi | enouf: Cause it been work; look http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox1.jpg |
| 23:47.47 | itchi | liable: hhhm, maybe that then |
| 23:47.49 | wintix | SDBolts21n56: i'm not sure. try reading the doc |
| 23:48.06 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, will do. |
| 23:48.28 | enouf | itchi: that's an awesome pic though ;-) |
| 23:48.31 | sdlfk | well I'm now downloading the minimal boot cd to install debian for my second attempt to try it out as it has been recommended to me so many times. So if I have any troubles, y'all will see me again. |
| 23:48.37 | karsten | What's the syntax for creating a ramdisk filesystem (eg: /dev/ram0) again? |
| 23:48.43 | itchi | enouf: Oh, i took a random :-p |
| 23:48.43 | enouf | itchi: er image ;-0 |
| 23:48.44 | wintix | Chocobo: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 23:48.53 | karsten | mke2fs /dev/ram0 but you have to specify filesize < 4 MB IIRC. |
| 23:48.57 | wintix | Chocobo: wah. replace etch with whatever you like. |
| 23:49.05 | Maxigraf | why doesn't etch support hostap-drivers? :-/ |
| 23:49.11 | wintix | Chocobo: the newline thing came quite unexpected ;) |
| 23:49.11 | Chocobo | wintix, thanks mate. |
| 23:49.15 | itchi | enouf: The right hand, you put on your hearth :-) |
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| 23:49.28 | Chocobo | wintix, I understand, happens to me often. |
| 23:50.05 | enouf | karsten: I forget offhand , but http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/ramdisk.txt?v=2.6.18 |
| 23:50.17 | enouf | itchi: indeed ;-) |
| 23:50.25 | karsten | enouf: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
| 23:50.28 | karsten | enouf: Yeah, thanks. |
| 23:50.42 | karsten | enouf: dmesg *(/var/log/dmesg) give ramdisk size. |
| 23:50.57 | itchi | enouf: The left hand is to clean the ass. kuh |
| 23:51.00 | itchi | oeps :-p |
| 23:51.00 | enouf | karsten: sweet ;-) |
| 23:51.12 | enouf | itchi: yuk yuk :-p |
| 23:51.30 | wintix | Maxigraf: have you tried backporting it? |
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| 23:51.56 | SDBolts21n56 | why am i so much better the you? |
| 23:52.01 | itchi | I'm missing that 'mod_autoindex' module in my modules.conf |
| 23:52.20 | karsten | enouf: Apparently just "mke2fs -m0 /dev/ram0" |
| 23:52.31 | karsten | enouf: Got a system with sata drive failures (we think) and nothing can write to /tmp |
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| 23:53.01 | enouf | karsten: hrmm .. |
| 23:53.31 | karsten | enouf: I've now got 16 MB at /mnt and $TMP and $TEMP defined to that. |
| 23:53.38 | enouf | karsten: is /tmp a tmpfs? .. and on it's own partition? |
| 23:53.41 | karsten | enouf: I can mount to /tmp if needs be. |
| 23:53.59 | karsten | enouf: Nope, it's /dev/sda6 |
| 23:54.25 | enouf | karsten: okie .. |
| 23:54.53 | itchi | liable: Do you know which module i need to add? |
| 23:55.13 | enouf | karsten: IIRC, ramfs can't shrink/grow, like tmpfs can, so beware of that |
| 23:55.27 | karsten | enouf: I'm *very* much aware of that, but thanks. |
| 23:55.33 | karsten | enouf: This just has to patch me through the moment. |
| 23:55.34 | enouf | heh ;-) |
| 23:55.47 | Caelum | does -lfoo require a foo.a file or will a foo.so work? |
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| 23:56.53 | enouf | itchi: a locate mod_autoindex here returns ; |
| 23:56.56 | enouf | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/100mod_autoindex.info |
| 23:56.56 | enouf | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_autoindex.so |
| 23:56.59 | theroue | I have a WAV+CUE cd audio rip that I split up with bchunk, but when I attempt to convert the resulting split up WAVs to FLAC, the last one fails encoding giving some weird EOF error |
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| 23:58.34 | itchi | enouf: oh, a sad grep or so |
| 23:58.45 | theroue | grep? |
| 23:58.53 | theroue | What does grep have to do with it? |
| 23:58.54 | enouf | group hug? |
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| 23:59.13 | itchi | theroue: I looked if that mod_autoindex is enable in my config |
| 23:59.26 | itchi | gggrr |
| 23:59.28 | theroue | config for... |
| 23:59.34 | itchi | I told it bad haha |
| 23:59.39 | theroue | bchunk? |
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| 23:59.49 | itchi | theroue: Nah, i little dir index trouble with apache |
| 23:59.56 | itchi | bbrr, i need to sleep haha |
