| 00:00.07 | goodshit | been looking |
| 00:00.08 | goodshit | can't fine any nice looking one |
| 00:00.33 | itchi | goodshit: Is that not a bit overloading the stuff?? |
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| 00:00.43 | itchi | goodshit: What plan you to do with that pastebin? |
| 00:01.05 | abrotman | http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=pastebin§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 00:01.11 | goodshit | i just want to do simple pasting |
| 00:01.14 | goodshit | so i can keep notes |
| 00:01.16 | goodshit | like stuff i do |
| 00:01.20 | goodshit | i want to keep track of it |
| 00:01.22 | goodshit | kidna like a hotwo |
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| 00:01.29 | goodshit | i need a website where i can type in my howto |
| 00:01.36 | itchi | goodshit: A wiki will be more appropriated i think |
| 00:01.36 | goodshit | and it created subject |
| 00:01.39 | abrotman | that's not what a pastebin is for |
| 00:01.41 | goodshit | yeah maybe |
| 00:01.45 | goodshit | wiki |
| 00:01.47 | goodshit | is right ;) |
| 00:01.50 | goodshit | any good wiki out there |
| 00:02.07 | goodshit | so with a wiki program |
| 00:02.09 | itchi | goodshit: moin or whatever you like. Plan you to share your notes? |
| 00:02.15 | goodshit | i can enter a topic and type in a howto |
| 00:02.20 | goodshit | yes |
| 00:02.27 | goodshit | i will share it |
| 00:02.53 | itchi | goodshit: ok, cause there are some wike alike stuff, like 'tomboy' to make little notes with wiki syntax, but whith any 'web' publishing |
| 00:03.09 | itchi | ggrr without* |
| 00:03.10 | goodshit | yes |
| 00:03.18 | goodshit | itchi any good opensource one? |
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| 00:03.36 | itchi | goodshit: I use moinmoin |
| 00:03.49 | goodshit | let me try moinmoin |
| 00:03.50 | itchi | goodshit: But try out some stuff and use these you like ;-) |
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| 00:03.55 | goodshit | so moinmoin will let me do wifi |
| 00:04.02 | itchi | no :-p |
| 00:04.03 | goodshit | i'll play around with it itchi |
| 00:04.04 | goodshit | thanks man |
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| 00:04.08 | itchi | wiki |
| 00:04.34 | minerale | I am trying to install denyHosts, but i'm not sure which file is the "deny file" .. is it /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 00:05.00 | itchi | goodshit: Btw, the Debian wiki make use of moinmoin btw (by the same time, make noice about the Debian's wiki http://wiki.debian.org/) |
| 00:05.19 | Szeraax | does the man for moinmoin shed any light? |
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| 00:05.55 | itchi | minerale: yup |
| 00:06.13 | goodshit | thanks itchi |
| 00:06.28 | itchi | goodshit: Look in the config files of denyhosts ;-) |
| 00:06.34 | goodshit | i will man |
| 00:06.37 | goodshit | itchiban :) |
| 00:06.41 | goodshit | itchibahn!!! |
| 00:06.42 | itchi | oeps minerale ^^ |
| 00:07.58 | GhostlyDeath | For a hiberantion resume drive, do I create a drive with the linux-swap filesystem or ext3? |
| 00:08.18 | Szeraax | i'm pretty sure you just use the normal swap |
| 00:08.44 | Szeraax | what prog are you using\hoping to use? |
| 00:08.49 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Is it not a file that is created somewhere on the / ? |
| 00:09.06 | waltman | apt-listbugs is timing out. Anyone know if it's broken again? |
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| 00:09.28 | markybob | anyone know why there's no iceweasel dev package? how do we get mozilla's dev files now that it's been pulled? |
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| 00:09.56 | GhostlyDeath | whenever I hibernate it says "No resume device is set up", "make sure resume=... is in your boot parameteres" etc. |
| 00:09.56 | Azar | hello honorables, is Sunday yet? |
| 00:10.26 | Azar | hmm lag... servers in dires ? |
| 00:10.29 | itchi | Azar: Not yet! :-) |
| 00:10.29 | markybob | Azar: seems like every single day for the last couple of years has been sunday ;) |
| 00:10.37 | Szeraax | are you using acpid or ...? |
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| 00:10.41 | Azar | ohhohohoo!! |
| 00:10.56 | Azar | anyways it feels like for me |
| 00:11.05 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using apmd I think |
| 00:11.16 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 00:11.18 | GhostlyDeath | acpi |
| 00:11.21 | Szeraax | apm? i didnt know the apm could hibernate... |
| 00:11.24 | Szeraax | oh, ok |
| 00:11.24 | Azar | you guys read that bsd stealing gpl-ed code for the broadcom wifi linux drivers? |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | markybob: file an RC bug! |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | markybob: get the source package ? |
| 00:11.35 | itchi | It was been un-trolled, the time i was here the last hour, i not understand ... |
| 00:11.41 | Azar | omg mister abrotman is here! |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | omg ... |
| 00:11.49 | Szeraax | i have had fairly bad annoyances with acpi, i use |
| 00:11.54 | Azar | no please.. |
| 00:11.56 | Szeraax | ummm, lemme go get its name |
| 00:12.14 | Azar | I just thought that abrotman runs on sundays... |
| 00:12.19 | GhostlyDeath | I added resume=/dev/sda4 to my kernel line though |
| 00:12.24 | GhostlyDeath | but it still doesn't hibernate |
| 00:12.28 | markybob | abrotman: no one likes my rc bug filings. for example :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414638 |
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| 00:12.54 | Szeraax | well, is it a bootable flash drive? |
| 00:13.08 | Szeraax | i dont think its mounts the flash that early |
| 00:13.30 | Szeraax | well, it doesnt for me since i use a pcmcia card for removable devices |
| 00:14.04 | markybob | abrotman: they just get ignored :) |
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| 00:14.04 | Azar | "Open Source coders caught stealing Open Source code" man I thought bsd is having higher standards.. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38746 |
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| 00:14.04 | itchi | markybob: Maybe lack of time? |
| 00:14.05 | GhostlyDeath | Szeraax: not a flash drive |
| 00:14.09 | GhostlyDeath | It's a SATA disk |
| 00:14.14 | abrotman | markybob: i'm not surprised |
| 00:14.16 | edju | How to find out when updatedb was last run? |
| 00:14.27 | abrotman | edju: look at the timestamp on the database |
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| 00:14.49 | Szeraax | ah |
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| 00:15.15 | edju | abrotman, What database? |
| 00:15.18 | Szeraax | can you get the package hibernate? (i think that's it name, and it works beautifully for me) |
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| 00:15.34 | GhostlyDeath | / is on /dev/sda3 and the linux-swap I want to use for hiberantion is on /dev/sda4 |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | the database updated by updatedb ? |
| 00:16.20 | edju | Ah, I seee - well, glad that's clarified. |
| 00:16.38 | abrotman | edju: do you know where it is ? |
| 00:16.42 | GhostlyDeath | Szeraax: it is installed |
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| 00:16.57 | edju | abrotman, No idea. |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | /var/cache/locate/locatedb |
| 00:17.30 | Azar | Szeraax: I had ugly things going with my hardware in the paste using hybernation mode.. |
| 00:17.44 | Azar | err * in the past ** |
| 00:17.46 | Szeraax | ok, |
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| 00:18.36 | Szeraax | i use a lappy and so acpi is not as wonderful as for a desktop though, so maybe you do need to use ext for you hib file |
| 00:19.12 | minerale | ok, I have installed configured and run denyhosts, it has created a file in /etc/hosts.deny -- now how do I tell the OS (or sshd) to avoid those hosts ? |
| 00:19.31 | wols_ | !tcpwrappers |
| 00:19.56 | markybob | minerale: sshd by default complies with hosts.deny |
| 00:19.56 | Azar | dpkg is baking the lamb and coloring the eggs... |
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| 00:20.10 | GhostlyDeath | !hibernate |
| 00:20.22 | wols_ | !suspend |
| 00:20.22 | dpkg | from memory, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 00:20.39 | wols_ | !suspend2 |
| 00:20.39 | dpkg | suspend2 is, like, known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
| 00:21.05 | itchi | Yeah, and that stuff works great here :-p |
| 00:22.40 | Szeraax | yeah, that's what i use! |
| 00:22.50 | Szeraax | :) |
| 00:22.58 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 00:23.37 | GhostlyDeath | Is it part of... 2.6.18-4-amd64 or do I have to recompile (which I don't know how to do)? |
| 00:23.58 | Szeraax | is what part of the kernel? |
| 00:24.22 | minerale | when my system restarts apache starts automatically, how do I change that? I thought it was a setting in /etc/default/apach -- but there is no such thing |
| 00:24.39 | itchi | No need to recompile the kernel for it |
| 00:24.49 | Szeraax | it being sof sus 2? |
| 00:24.51 | wols_ | a!tell minerale about rcconf |
| 00:24.51 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: I thought gnome had that enable default |
| 00:25.20 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: after tons of messing around I got GNOME to suspend (works nice -- kind of) but it doesn't hibernate |
| 00:25.24 | madriss | er i did dist-upgrade and now it wants to know what my mouse port is, anyone know which one? its a standard laptop touch-mouse thing |
| 00:25.27 | GhostlyDeath | I lose sound on Suspends so.. |
| 00:25.32 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: At least there is a little power management tool that you can put left the clock to show the battery states and to hibernate/suspend the stuff |
| 00:25.36 | Szeraax | synaptics |
| 00:25.49 | GhostlyDeath | usually synaptics |
| 00:25.52 | Szeraax | i used to have great troubles with it |
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| 00:26.08 | itchi | madriss: mice i guess |
| 00:26.21 | Szeraax | i never got mice to work with lapyy |
| 00:26.27 | madriss | it says /dev/psaux /dev/ttyS0 /dev/input/mice e.t.c..... lol |
| 00:26.31 | Szeraax | i had to do synaptics |
| 00:26.38 | Szeraax | yeahh |
| 00:26.41 | madriss | mine works fine then it comes and asks me again |
| 00:26.43 | Szeraax | do you want my code for synaptics? |
| 00:26.57 | itchi | It's what i use here. Touchpad is working + external USB mouse |
| 00:27.01 | madriss | might be ok one sec |
| 00:27.05 | Szeraax | ok |
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| 00:27.24 | GhostlyDeath | I connected 8 mice to a dell once |
| 00:27.35 | Szeraax | lol |
| 00:27.35 | GhostlyDeath | and we all played Starcraft |
| 00:27.40 | GhostlyDeath | that didn't work out too well |
| 00:27.44 | itchi | heh |
| 00:27.57 | madriss | i chose one :P ill see if it stilll works lol |
| 00:28.04 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: You know, .... there multiplayers features .... :-p |
| 00:28.09 | itchi | are* |
| 00:28.19 | itchi | madriss: The 'mice' ? |
| 00:28.20 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: was a fooling around thing |
| 00:28.24 | Szeraax | i really think taht would be cool if you could have 2 cursors |
| 00:28.31 | nn-k-laptop | hi again |
| 00:28.35 | GhostlyDeath | yes that would kind of |
| 00:28.49 | Szeraax | then with 2 mice you really could do a ton of stuff... |
| 00:28.58 | madriss | lol |
| 00:28.59 | Szeraax | someone go write code to make it happen...:) |
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| 00:29.02 | itchi | How do you calc the positionsof 2 mouses? :-) |
| 00:29.19 | Szeraax | have sep proc for each mouse |
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| 00:29.31 | Szeraax | or |
| 00:29.46 | frankr | What's a good font viewer? |
| 00:29.50 | Szeraax | no, i actually got this one |
| 00:29.52 | guru | could someone point me to information regarding upgrading a running previously 32 bit machine to a 64 bit machine or is a new install the only way to go for true 64 bit support? |
| 00:30.03 | frankr | guru, new install |
| 00:30.13 | Szeraax | say your monitor is 1024x768 |
| 00:30.15 | GhostlyDeath | I got a 32-bit and 64-bit system |
| 00:30.18 | guru | frankr: there is no way to do an in-place upgrade? |
| 00:30.28 | jelly | Hi, my apt-listbugs is trying to access a dead server (merkel.d.o) ==> apt-listb 6526 root 3u IPv4 24940 TCP burek.zg.iskon.hr:33043->merkel.debian.org:www (SYN_SENT) ... is this a known problem? |
| 00:30.32 | frankr | guru, 64bit is a pain in the ass though; 32bit apps don't work |
| 00:30.36 | docta_v | anyone have a recommendation for a good rcs wrapper script or something similar |
| 00:30.36 | frankr | no flashplayer, etc |
| 00:30.41 | guru | frankr: ahh |
| 00:30.42 | docta_v | rcs replacement? |
| 00:30.45 | frankr | you have to make a 32bit chroot |
| 00:30.47 | DocPlatypus | frankr: some 32-bit apps don't work |
| 00:30.51 | frankr | an entire 32bit install to run programs in |
| 00:30.54 | GhostlyDeath | Doom 3 doesn't work =( |
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| 00:31.06 | DocPlatypus | actually not true, you can run, say, a 32-bit Firefox if you install 32-bit libc |
| 00:31.17 | DocPlatypus | and then run the Flash player/Java plugin under that |
| 00:31.20 | Szeraax | one mouse you do normal computer position then add it to the second mouse it is one screen height and width away and then you add those two. |
| 00:31.22 | GhostlyDeath | ok so How do I set up hibernation with GNOME? |
| 00:31.29 | frankr | DocPlatypus, the best way to do it is with a 32bit chroot |
| 00:31.30 | Szeraax | oh crap that totally wouldnt work... |
| 00:31.31 | madriss | my flashplayer in firefox plays no sound |
| 00:31.32 | guru | frankr: is there any way i can take advantage of my 64 bit system while running the 32 bit version? |
| 00:31.38 | DocPlatypus | frankr: but my point is it's not the only way |
| 00:31.39 | frankr | guru, not that I know of |
| 00:31.52 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Just add that applet in the toolbar?? |
| 00:31.53 | GhostlyDeath | GNOME uses suspend2? |
| 00:32.03 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: it IS on there |
| 00:32.06 | Szeraax | yeah, just tell it to have 2 completely seperate mice |
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| 00:32.20 | Szeraax | and each pos if computed for itself |
| 00:32.31 | itchi | Szeraax: Maybe could we already do it, but i dunno |
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| 00:32.38 | abrotman | madriss: which flash ? |
| 00:32.43 | GhostlyDeath | It would be better in games |
| 00:32.45 | Szeraax | that would be pretty sweet |
| 00:32.48 | HostilePenguin | whats the name of the config file that i add clients to on nfs server to give them permission? |
| 00:32.50 | guru | frankr: oh well; maybe sometime in the near future :) |
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| 00:33.05 | Szeraax | specially with 2 people using the 2 mice and haveing the 2 cursors |
| 00:33.07 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: gnome-power-manager does not hibernate |
| 00:33.25 | Mike_B_D | Anyone having probs with Opera in tch? |
| 00:33.26 | ifireball | HostilePenguin: /etc/exports |
| 00:33.29 | Mike_B_D | etch |
| 00:33.42 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: hhhm, wait, have you look in the options of that app? I think it have no action to do actually |
| 00:34.07 | itchi | Mike_B_D: Yeah! I can not install it with apt-get |
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| 00:34.34 | itchi | Mike_B_D: Why do you use Opera? |
| 00:34.49 | Mike_B_D | mouse gestures,wand etc |
| 00:35.00 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: it does have an option to Hibernate |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: yes |
| 00:35.24 | wols_ | Mike_B_D: since opera is in no way shape or form in debian: ask the makers of opera |
| 00:35.30 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Is that suspend stuff been installed? |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/528-Opera-starts-segfaulting-with-new-X-updates.html |
| 00:35.44 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: how do I see if it's installed? |
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| 00:35.50 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -l foo |
| 00:36.00 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: the beta version seems pretty buggy though |
| 00:36.06 | Mike_B_D | cheers ,,The fox is going well,ext:gestures included! |
| 00:36.22 | HostilePenguin | where i put the ip addresses of allowed clients |
| 00:36.22 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: No packages found matching foo. |
| 00:36.41 | jetscreamer | /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 00:36.43 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: haha, see /msg dpkg foo ;-) |
| 00:37.30 | GhostlyDeath | I gotta get hibernation |
| 00:37.37 | GhostlyDeath | I gotta! |
| 00:37.54 | GhostlyDeath | How do I see if it's in my kernel? |
| 00:38.00 | jetscreamer | i made it work once, read some docs |
| 00:38.03 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: You need that 'suspend' stuff to be installed |
| 00:38.04 | Szeraax | it what? ss2? |
| 00:38.12 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: It is |
| 00:38.15 | jetscreamer | i don't remember what i had to do |
| 00:38.22 | jetscreamer | but it wasn't that hard |
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| 00:38.33 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: At least, if you not have recompile the kernel. But what's your kernel version again? |
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| 00:38.38 | jetscreamer | try tldp.org |
| 00:38.44 | GhostlyDeath | 2.6.18-4 |
| 00:38.50 | Szeraax | yeah, i only had to install suofware suspend 2 and poof! it works... Wonderfully |
| 00:39.03 | GhostlyDeath | amd64 |
| 00:39.05 | jetscreamer | him say 'stock kernel good. you compile mebbe bad' |
| 00:39.05 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Okay, it should be enabled then |
| 00:39.18 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: how do I hibernate then using the gnome-power-manager? |
| 00:39.29 | GhostlyDeath | Choosing hibernate just locks the PC |
| 00:39.34 | Szeraax | do you have hibernate enabled? |
| 00:39.40 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Just right click on that icon and select suspend |
| 00:39.57 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: what if my battery dies? |
| 00:40.00 | Szeraax | you are on a desktop right? |
| 00:40.03 | Szeraax | oh |
| 00:40.04 | GhostlyDeath | Szeraax: laptop |
| 00:40.25 | Szeraax | can you go into the bois and turn off the power stuff in there? |
| 00:40.30 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 00:40.38 | guru | frankr: what about installing a 64bit kernel and running a 32bit userland? |
| 00:40.39 | Szeraax | it was conflicting with my kernel when i was trying too |
| 00:40.51 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: What if it explode. nah, just crash, but i wonder, the data should be saved i think |
| 00:41.34 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Hold on, i test some things ... |
| 00:41.42 | Mike_B_D | abrotman: Many thanks Opera installed |
| 00:41.48 | Mike_B_D | Beta |
| 00:41.54 | GhostlyDeath | Linux doesn't know if It can suspend to hibernate so i SUSPEND2RAM_FORCE="yes" and SUSPEND2DISK_FORCE="yes" |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: it keeps crashing on me though |
| 00:42.00 | GhostlyDeath | or* |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: however .. i used the static build |
| 00:42.12 | Mike_B_D | abrotman: same |
| 00:42.14 | Mike_B_D | mm |
| 00:42.20 | Mike_B_D | keep you posted |
| 00:42.24 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: dunno if that has anything to do with it |
| 00:42.39 | Szeraax | you sure you cant go to bois and do something to turn off power management? |
| 00:42.44 | Szeraax | bios* |
| 00:42.51 | GhostlyDeath | Szeraax: you can't I looked |
| 00:42.57 | Szeraax | k |
| 00:43.17 | Szeraax | so it does have power management enabled then? |
| 00:43.41 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 00:43.48 | Szeraax | i read somewhere that if you cant turn that off, you should hope too much for suspend or hibernate... |
| 00:43.57 | Szeraax | shouldnt* |
| 00:44.23 | GhostlyDeath | SUSPEND2DISK_FORCE is gone! would re-adding it make it work? |
| 00:44.33 | Szeraax | i dunno |
| 00:45.27 | madriss | what's the latest kernel version? |
| 00:45.33 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Anyway, with the 'Hibernation' it does not matter if you get out of power. The 'data' will be saved on your hard disk and that laptop shutdowns like you power it off proberly. |
| 00:46.01 | madriss | ah found it 2.6.20.6 sorry |
| 00:46.04 | GhostlyDeath | I still around? |
| 00:46.10 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: yup |
| 00:46.30 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I know but you were talkig about suspend |
| 00:46.35 | GhostlyDeath | sleep/standby/ram |
| 00:46.38 | Szeraax | did madriss ever get synaptics working? |
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| 00:46.57 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/427794 |
| 00:47.05 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Suspend or hibernation, the both features are available with the gnome-power-manager |
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| 00:47.27 | GhostlyDeath | I added resume=/dev/sda4 |
| 00:47.38 | madriss | yea sorry i selected "mice" and it carried on working lol |
| 00:48.05 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Heh, i not remember i did that |
| 00:48.20 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: You don't make any sense |
| 00:48.43 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: I not had need to add that as kernel option, and still not have it too |
| 00:48.44 | Szeraax | cool |
| 00:48.52 | GhostlyDeath | "kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-amd64 root=/dev/sda3 resume=/dev/hda4 ro " |
| 00:48.59 | Mike_B_D | abrotman: no probs yet |
| 00:49.03 | GhostlyDeath | oops |
| 00:49.15 | GhostlyDeath | maybe that's why........................... |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: yeah .. seems to take a bit .. might be flash related though .. who knows |
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| 00:49.47 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Heh, i not have that, i insist! and it work :-s |
| 00:49.57 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I put hda4 instead of sda4 |
| 00:50.00 | Mike_B_D | abrotman: flash does tip it over,i use the fox for flash |
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| 00:50.01 | GhostlyDeath | hda does not exist.. |
| 00:50.06 | GhostlyDeath | I will check this out brb |
| 00:50.07 | Szeraax | hahahahaha |
| 00:50.12 | Szeraax | hope it now works! |
| 00:50.19 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: ah .. wait .. i have flash7 for it .. let me try putting 9 in and see if it stablizes (i doubt it) |
| 00:50.29 | GhostlyDeath | reminded me of C++ |
| 00:50.49 | markybob | abrotman: damn. cant believe it's taken you this long to get 9 :) |
| 00:50.51 | Szeraax | oh i remember those good ol' days... |
| 00:51.04 | Szeraax | forgot a ; and your prog is toast |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | markybob: i have it for gecko browsers |
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| 00:51.34 | abrotman | markybob: it still doesn't work right .. |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | i don't like how flash steals your keyboard commands if the mouse is hovering over it |
| 00:52.35 | markybob | abrotman: i'm with you on that one. pisses me off |
| 00:52.40 | Szeraax | me too |
| 00:52.47 | jelly | so move your mouse? |
| 00:53.03 | Szeraax | but you sometimes need it in there... |
| 00:53.06 | Mike_B_D | abrotman: 'speed dial" is excellent |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | Mike_B_D: i saw it .. didn't mess with it |
| 00:53.22 | Szeraax | plus, that requires work... |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | jelly: i use opera because it doesn't require a mouse to use all the time |
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| 00:53.39 | Szeraax | dont want a mouse? use lynx |
| 00:53.46 | Szeraax | its the answer :) |
| 00:53.47 | jelly | abrotman: me too (also, excellent session management) |
| 00:53.53 | abrotman | and that :) |
| 00:54.07 | Mike_B_D | abrotman: Very fast |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | damn right! |
| 00:54.33 | itchi | Mike_B_D: There is a tool to use your keyboard as mouse, not ask me the name of it |
| 00:54.42 | jelly | minus: AJAXy pages, and other JavaScript breakage, also, flash9 seems to break even more than flash7 |
| 00:54.50 | nn-k-laptop | i like gaim because it uses multi protocalls |
| 00:55.02 | Mike_B_D | 9 has been fine so far |
| 00:55.07 | Szeraax | many things do multi protocol |
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| 00:55.12 | jelly | Mike_B_D: in Oprah? |
| 00:55.18 | Szeraax | kopete does too |
| 00:55.20 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: Try centericq :-) in cli :-) |
| 00:55.21 | Mike_B_D | opera=yes |
| 00:55.25 | Szeraax | (i too use gaim) |
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| 00:56.23 | jelly | Mike_B_D: I've started using konqueror as throwaway browser window for flash *cough*youtube*cough* instead of letting my main browser hang :-| |
| 00:56.51 | nn-k-laptop | rhapsody is probley the best cursses irc i know of |
| 00:56.58 | DocPlatypus | jelly: try youtube-dl |
| 00:57.08 | DocPlatypus | and you can then play back the .flv in VLC or Totem |
| 00:57.28 | Mike_B_D | jelly: you have flash installed in the fox/weasel? |
| 00:57.35 | Szeraax | quick question, is the x86_64 arch backwords compatible with x86? (i have a x86_64 processor and am wondering if a x86 live cd will work in it) |
| 00:57.37 | jelly | Mike_B_D: aye |
| 00:57.41 | Azar | the Linux Fund card has been suspended, how is going Debian project to get funds (donations) ? |
| 00:57.49 | DocPlatypus | Szeraax: I boot older Knoppixes just fine on a friend's amd64 box |
| 00:57.50 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: Is that the package name? |
| 00:57.51 | Szeraax | (no, i cant just go test it out. at least, not right now) |
| 00:57.57 | Szeraax | cool |
| 00:58.03 | Mike_B_D | jelly: brb |
| 00:58.07 | Szeraax | ty |
| 00:58.08 | DocPlatypus | Azar: where did you hear this? |
| 00:58.24 | nn-k-laptop | can anyone give me an idea of what they think of bzflag |
| 00:58.25 | Azar | DocPlatypus: http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/02/1356254&from=rss |
| 00:58.31 | Szeraax | i liek it |
| 00:58.43 | Szeraax | i think its a fun game |
| 00:58.47 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: Yet Another War Game ?? :-p |
| 00:58.57 | Szeraax | did you ever play bolo? |
| 00:59.02 | jelly | Azar: does this "Linux Fund" have to do anything with SPI? |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | jelly: maybe the crashy flash is something that 9.20 will address .. |
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| 00:59.18 | Azar | jelly: that is what I am asking too... |
| 00:59.25 | Szeraax | your a little tank and you try not to die... |
| 00:59.35 | jelly | abrotman: hmm, I'm running something that identifies as 9.20 build 617 |
| 00:59.39 | Azar | I went through SPI, I wonder is SPI will not suffer from this issue |
| 00:59.54 | jelly | abrotman: it works with ajaxy pages a bit better than the release |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | jelly: i have build 633 |
| 01:00.06 | DocPlatypus | FSF needs to get off their ass and get a bank to sponsor a GNU card |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | jelly: that it does |
| 01:00.18 | DocPlatypus | that's our solution I think |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | Azar: you can donate directly to SPI |
| 01:00.35 | Azar | DocPlatypus: yea but I guess FSF is not handy with this kind of issues |
| 01:00.44 | dalias | hey i'm having a problem with bash on debian.. |
| 01:00.48 | Azar | abrotman: yes, I am using SPI |
| 01:00.56 | dalias | it redraws the prompt every time i press a key |
| 01:01.09 | Azar | dalias: nice feature |
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| 01:01.16 | dalias | which makes it unusably slow |
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| 01:01.43 | jelly | dalias: tried resetting the terminal? |
| 01:01.43 | dalias | is there some setting that debian has changed from default to do this, which i could customize? |
| 01:01.50 | GhostlyDeath | it worked! |
| 01:02.01 | dalias | jelly, hmm, is it maybe bad $TERM? |
| 01:02.06 | GhostlyDeath | but... MY MODULES!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!' |
| 01:02.08 | jelly | dalias: could be |
| 01:02.30 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Weird, i still not have a resume partition :-p But cool it work. What's happend now? |
| 01:02.36 | GhostlyDeath | I had to start ipw3945d just to connect to my WAP and I have no sound! |
| 01:02.46 | GhostlyDeath | well at first it didn't work |
| 01:02.53 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: The ipw is normal, same trouble here |
| 01:03.01 | GhostlyDeath | The resume drive must be linux-swap not ext3.. |
| 01:03.14 | GhostlyDeath | I did kernel suspend2disk, I think I'll try uswusp now |
| 01:03.28 | zeeeee | does dpkg have atomic transactions? or is it all up in the air if say i pull the plug while something's being installed? |
| 01:03.38 | GhostlyDeath | but what modules does ALSA use? |
| 01:03.46 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: oh you not use uswusp |
| 01:03.55 | nn-k-laptop | how many hard drives can you have max! in one linux box |
| 01:03.58 | jelly | itchi: why not? |
| 01:04.08 | Azar | jelly, what this setting could mean? I never set environment, I assume it auto-set it: SSH_AUTH_SOCK= |
| 01:04.11 | GhostlyDeath | as many as your channels limit! |
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| 01:04.14 | abrotman | zeeeee: bad things can happen |
| 01:04.23 | GhostlyDeath | then you can add USB Mass Storage Drives! |
| 01:04.38 | GhostlyDeath | So possibly 4 INternal and maybe 8 external? |
| 01:04.38 | Szeraax | i know of o limit |
| 01:04.41 | Szeraax | no* |
| 01:04.46 | jelly | nn-k-laptop: it depends on how big is the box! |
| 01:04.59 | zeeeee | abrotman: any idea whether rpm or any other package management system supports transactions? |
| 01:05.01 | Szeraax | (i have maxed at 17 partitions with 1 HDD) |
| 01:05.04 | nn-k-laptop | i mean in the way of device nodes |
| 01:05.30 | dalias | jelly, it happens both in screen and xfce-terminal |
| 01:05.32 | jelly | Azar: that's ssh-agent's socket |
| 01:05.33 | Szeraax | they all ran fine |
| 01:05.34 | abrotman | zeeeee: i don't know of any that do |
| 01:05.41 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: the sleep settings have modules to unload when sleeping/hibernating and reload when waking/unhibernating |
| 01:05.51 | jelly | Azar: tis ok if you're running X |
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| 01:06.16 | GhostlyDeath | anyone: what are the modules for ALSA and ipw3945d? |
| 01:06.20 | Azar | jelly ah cool, ok |
| 01:06.27 | jelly | dalias: xterm? |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 01:06.31 | dpkg | hmm... ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
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| 01:06.49 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Dunno, sound works here after a hibernation |
| 01:06.55 | GhostlyDeath | not for me |
| 01:06.55 | dalias | jelly, it's hard to measure in xterm because xterm is fast |
| 01:07.05 | jelly | heh |
| 01:07.13 | dalias | screen has the "log" command so i can see all the bytes sent to the terminal |
| 01:07.21 | dalias | and xfce-terminal is so slow i can SEE it redraw |
| 01:07.21 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Just that network, but it's only my ssh connection i loose, not a ipw3945 trouble at all |
| 01:07.28 | GhostlyDeath | I always need to "/etc/init.d/alsa force-reload" after sleep and hibernation |
| 01:07.43 | jelly | dalias: don't use truetype / antialiased fonts |
| 01:07.56 | dalias | well i dont plan to really use xcfe-terminal |
| 01:08.05 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Trieded to look the logs? To catch out some things |
| 01:08.14 | dalias | i was just testing to see if it would render complex scripts correctly (and it doesn't) |
| 01:08.22 | jelly | dalias: xfce-terminal should be decently fast... and when it isn't fast enough, it knows how to cheat :-) |
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| 01:08.49 | dalias | and of course that would work even worse with non-xft fonts :) |
| 01:09.47 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: yeah wireless works but the daemon needs to be reloaded for WAP2 to work |
| 01:09.57 | jelly | dalias: I'm using (bitmapped) console8x16 font from KDE and it has latin and cyrillic characters, I can't read the rest anyway. ;-) |
| 01:10.24 | dalias | its not a huge practical problem at the moment, but the redrawing sure is a huge slowdown if you're ssh'ing over saturated lines |
| 01:10.27 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: hhm, i use wep right now |
| 01:10.46 | dalias | so i'd like to find the cause and fix it |
| 01:10.56 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Gona setup that wpa thing and watch |
| 01:10.57 | GhostlyDeath | no WPA2* |
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| 01:11.15 | dalias | my prompt string has a good bit of control chars in it, including setting titlebar |
| 01:11.16 | jelly | dalias: you could try and find which version of bash did it start at. |
| 01:11.37 | dalias | but the same prompt works with no problem on a self-compiled bash 3.2 on another box |
| 01:11.59 | jelly | dalias: you could try and find which version of bash _package_ did it start at. :-P |
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| 01:13.01 | frankr | how are there no good font viewers for linux |
| 01:13.02 | jelly | dalias: or try using your compiled binary on debian... maybe it's libncurses' fault or something |
| 01:13.28 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: ALSA is messed up though |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | fonts suck :) |
| 01:14.24 | itchi | frankr: gfontview ? |
| 01:14.37 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: No probs here :-s |
| 01:14.43 | frankr | itchi, gfontview kinda sucks |
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| 01:15.19 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I could add the alsa un-load re-load modules but I don't know the module names |
| 01:15.43 | guru | is there anyway to disable the system speaker beep when the alt key + another key is pressed in some games? |
| 01:15.54 | Szeraax | unplug it? |
| 01:16.00 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: lsmod ?? |
| 01:16.01 | GhostlyDeath | take out a gun and shoot it |
| 01:16.09 | dalias | jelly, well my self-compiled bash works here, but it's static linked, so no surprise :) |
| 01:16.17 | dalias | at least that indicates that it's not a config file issue |
| 01:16.25 | guru | GhostlyDeath: i'm thinking about ripping the thing out |
| 01:16.50 | GhostlyDeath | My PC beeping thing was attached to the light system on my od pc |
| 01:17.11 | guru | GhostlyDeath: this one is hooked up correctly |
| 01:17.14 | itchi | guru: See /msg dpkg beep |
| 01:17.23 | guru | thanks |
| 01:18.21 | guru | itchi: that's of no use |
| 01:18.31 | itchi | guru: The website? |
| 01:18.32 | guru | itchi: i want to stop the beeping not encourage it ;) |
| 01:18.54 | GhostlyDeath | UNLOAD_MODULES_BEFORE_STANDBY="usb_storage sbp2 ohci_hcd uhci_hcd stir4200 ohci1394 rt2500 prism54 ath_pci r8169 lt_modem Intel536 Intel537 ndiswrapper", none of these are in /etc/init.d, are these just binaries or what? |
| 01:19.11 | itchi | guru: nah, that's a wrong thing too |
| 01:19.28 | guru | itchi: not really, i unsoldered the speaker from my old motherboard |
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| 01:20.21 | itchi | !bell |
| 01:20.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 01:20.42 | dalias | jelly, i wonder if debian has applied this nasty patch: |
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| 01:20.43 | dalias | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2006-03/msg00005.html |
| 01:20.48 | itchi | should be that i guess ^ Dunno, not have desactivate it |
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| 01:23.12 | jelly | dalias: you don't have to wonder, apt-get source bash and check for yourself |
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| 01:24.43 | abrotman | jelly: you mean .. you can look at the source ? |
| 01:25.19 | jelly | abrotman: yea, wonder why they allow that |
| 01:25.20 | Azar | oh my holly cow!!! the broadcom driver issue is all over the usenet! |
| 01:25.40 | jelly | Azar: CLEAN IT UP RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN |
| 01:25.44 | GhostlyDeath | How can I tell if the scripts in /etc/acpi/ are being executed? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | all over usenet ? |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: stat ? |
| 01:26.38 | Azar | man this is a sad and ugly war... |
| 01:27.10 | Azar | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/1558 |
| 01:27.39 | dalias | jelly, thanks, i'm new to debian so i dont know the easy way to grab source yet :) |
| 01:29.02 | Azar | when Azar looks at a source, gets dizzy |
| 01:29.21 | jelly | dalias: in that case, you might need to add deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an update to make it work. just copy/paste the deb lines and replace deb with deb-src |
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| 01:30.06 | GhostlyDeath | What's 21 - 12? |
| 01:30.09 | GhostlyDeath | 9? |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | Azar: how is that your issue ? |
| 01:30.32 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: if you are in bash, integer arithmetic can be done like this: echo $((21-12)) |
| 01:30.53 | GhostlyDeath | neat |
| 01:31.07 | GhostlyDeath | Vasistha: can It do my math homework? |
| 01:31.24 | dalias | jelly, it worked |
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| 01:31.44 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: depends how difficult your math homework is. for non-integers, you'll need bc, and slightly different syntax: bc -l <<<"21-12.5" |
| 01:31.54 | ruben | Hi, I have this output using uname Linux 2.6.18-4-686, this version of kernel is linux-2.6.18.4.tar.bz2? |
| 01:32.05 | jelly | ruben: nope. |
| 01:32.12 | ruben | How can I download the 'same' kernel that have my debian box? |
| 01:32.19 | ruben | jelly: tell me :) |
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| 01:32.35 | jelly | ruben: first, why? |
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| 01:32.49 | ruben | I want to compile some 'custom' options |
| 01:33.02 | Azar | abrotman: ?? what are you refering to? |
| 01:33.07 | ruben | using the same kernel as debian have |
| 01:33.10 | jelly | ruben: really options for kernel, or jsut some third party modules? |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | Azar: i misread |
| 01:33.20 | ruben | options for kernel |
| 01:33.39 | GhostlyDeath | How do I disable those annoying "Keyring wants this, Keyring wants that!"? |
| 01:33.43 | minerale | !tell minerale about rconf |
| 01:33.48 | GhostlyDeath | +messages |
| 01:33.58 | ruben | jelly: Do you know how? |
| 01:34.20 | jelly | ruben: there's a number of related packages; apt-cache search linux-source |
| 01:34.24 | ruben | wichi version is then 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP? |
| 01:35.08 | Azar | ruben: I guess there is no SMP anymore, is unified with the regular... ? /me looks at jelly... |
| 01:35.27 | jelly | ruben: smp is already there |
| 01:35.27 | ruben | I have debian sid |
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| 01:36.00 | jelly | ruben: anyway, the source is in linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 01:36.20 | ruben | apt-get install or apt-get source? |
| 01:36.28 | Vasistha | !tell minerale about msg the bot |
| 01:36.29 | ruben | what is the way to get the sources? |
| 01:36.35 | jelly | ruben: install ;-) |
| 01:36.42 | ruben | thx, :) |
| 01:37.20 | ruben | talking about version, what does mean -4 on 2.6.18-4-686? |
| 01:37.24 | jelly | ruben: but if you're already building your own kernel, you might as well use the latest vanilla kernel (or whatever tree you prefer) |
| 01:37.27 | ruben | patch4? |
| 01:37.51 | ruben | It is better thant the debian kernel? |
| 01:38.12 | ruben | my english is not clear, sorry ;P |
| 01:38.27 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 01:38.31 | itchi | ruben: nah, cause it's the 'same' |
| 01:38.41 | jelly | ruben: the number is incremented each time new patches are added to the source, that is, when kernel ABI changes. |
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| 01:39.01 | ruben | ups, okey thanks again :) |
| 01:39.18 | nn-k-laptop | //help |
| 01:39.23 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
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| 01:39.36 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Some good beer? |
| 01:39.51 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: testing hibernation |
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| 01:40.33 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: I finish that stuff i read and gona install then wpa to checkout that trouble you told there |
| 01:41.22 | ruben | jelly: the last question, now I have the kernel debian, but how to install 'debian patches' too? to the kernel |
| 01:41.39 | nn-k-laptop | how do i find out how many people are on freenode |
| 01:41.48 | ruben | Or debian patches is 'apart'? |
| 01:42.17 | ruben | the default kernel in debian is with debian patches or without debian patches? maybe the question is silly ... |
| 01:42.51 | Vasistha | nn-k-laptop: I believe the MOTD gives that info |
| 01:43.09 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: Your client should say it Current global users: 29305 Max: 36656 |
| 01:43.20 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: ... when i did the connection |
| 01:43.37 | nn-k-laptop | /motod |
| 01:43.46 | nn-k-laptop | /motd |
| 01:43.49 | nn-k-laptop | ?? |
| 01:44.09 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: No, that's just the 'motd' message |
| 01:44.29 | nn-k-laptop | ?? |
| 01:44.55 | Vasistha | nn-k-laptop: oh, excuse me, it's not part of MOTD, but it is one of the messages given on login |
| 01:45.00 | itchi | nn-k-laptop: I dunno how you can find it out :-) |
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| 01:51.22 | mhall | Has anybody gotten a pchdtv 5500 to work in Debian before? I can't figure out what I am missing... |
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| 01:57.09 | abrotman | !be theo |
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| 01:57.12 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:58.54 | GhostlyDeath | ok.. Now my computer does not shut off |
| 01:59.26 | GhostlyDeath | the screen turns blank and it does none of that "--- Your system is now shutting down... ---" and display "Stopping: whatever" anymore |
| 01:59.44 | Mike_B_D | GhostlyDeath: kernel 2.6.20? |
| 01:59.56 | GhostlyDeath | Mike_B_D: 2.6.18-4 |
| 02:00.14 | Szeraax | does it have any text at all? |
| 02:00.18 | GhostlyDeath | nope |
| 02:00.22 | Mike_B_D | all apps closed? |
| 02:00.27 | GhostlyDeath | I don't know |
| 02:00.40 | GhostlyDeath | It usually would mshut down in 30 seconds |
| 02:00.47 | Szeraax | what was the last major thing you closed? |
| 02:00.53 | Szeraax | closed=changed |
| 02:00.55 | Szeraax | * |
| 02:00.59 | GhostlyDeath | but I waited 5 minutes and still nothing |
| 02:01.06 | GhostlyDeath | Getting hibernation working |
| 02:01.13 | Szeraax | hibernate conf file maybe? |
| 02:01.37 | Szeraax | can you do ctrl alt f1 (or f2, or f3 or f4...) and get to console? |
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| 02:02.15 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 02:02.28 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: yeah, mine no longer has the display, but seems to work nonetheless |
| 02:02.40 | GhostlyDeath | I can now |
| 02:02.50 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: since upgrading to 2.6.18 |
| 02:02.52 | GhostlyDeath | but when I shutdown/restart the computer basically freezes |
| 02:02.54 | Szeraax | can what now? |
| 02:03.00 | GhostlyDeath | Switch ttys |
| 02:03.00 | Szeraax | at what part? |
| 02:03.07 | GhostlyDeath | the screen blanking part |
| 02:03.13 | Szeraax | at what part does it freeze? |
| 02:03.18 | GhostlyDeath | the screen blanking part |
| 02:03.21 | Szeraax | during boot does it freeze or what? |
| 02:03.25 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 02:03.26 | GhostlyDeath | shutdown |
| 02:03.40 | Szeraax | so you boot just fine and cant shutdown properly? |
| 02:03.42 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: I always had 2.6.18 and it always worked |
| 02:04.14 | GhostlyDeath | Szeraax: yeah |
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| 02:04.38 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: you do more than 'echo disk > /sys/power/state'? and you use swsusp (rather than swsusp2or uswsusp)? |
| 02:04.40 | Szeraax | ok |
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| 02:05.13 | Szeraax | and its normal shutdown right? not hibernate shutdown? |
| 02:05.17 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: I use gnome-power-manager and use uswusp |
| 02:05.21 | GhostlyDeath | normal shutdown |
| 02:05.37 | GhostlyDeath | SHould I change SUSPEND2DISK_MODE back to kernel? |
| 02:05.41 | liable | i usually look towrds acpid when that happens |
| 02:05.44 | GhostlyDeath | they both works |
| 02:05.49 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: ok, completely different situation from mine, I guess |
| 02:05.53 | Szeraax | i would uess it to be acpi too |
| 02:06.03 | Szeraax | but i dont use gnome, nor uswusp |
| 02:06.11 | Szeraax | so i really dont know too much about it... |
| 02:06.18 | GhostlyDeath | I changed it back to kernel |
| 02:06.19 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 02:06.23 | Szeraax | k |
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| 02:10.40 | ofer0 | can someone please send me the file: libglade-gnome.so.0 ? |
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| 02:11.25 | NsN | If i didn't set a username and password during installation, can i set it afterwards? |
| 02:11.27 | chowmeined | Hello, dpkg-configure is defunct can I safely delete the lock on the dpkg database so I can continue on? |
| 02:11.46 | itchi | NsN: No problem |
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| 02:12.01 | itchi | chowmeined: Are you sure it's no more running? |
| 02:12.08 | NsN | itchi: Even if i didn't set a root password? |
| 02:12.24 | itchi | NsN: Your screwed then i think |
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| 02:12.39 | chowmeined | itchi: It is listed as Z in ps aux.. so is perl and dpkg.. I can't kill them with kill -9 as root though |
| 02:12.43 | chowmeined | I just want it to go away |
| 02:12.53 | dondelelcaro | NsN: if you didn't set a root password, then you'll have to fix that by booting with init=/bin/bash, mounting the filesystems, and configuring it proerly. |
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| 02:13.08 | itchi | NsN: I'm not sure if you Debian accept root login without a pass |
| 02:13.09 | liable | will it even let you not set one? |
| 02:13.09 | itchi | oh |
| 02:13.10 | dondelelcaro | NsN: if you just pressed return, then odds are that the root password is just the empty string (although, I thought that was controlled for) |
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| 02:13.32 | Szeraax | is there any way to lower the requirements of authority for commands without putting the command in sudo? |
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| 02:13.33 | itchi | Micro is running, bah, i get a lag haha |
| 02:13.37 | dondelelcaro | liable: you can if you manually bypass the menu |
| 02:13.46 | Szeraax | (ex: being able to halt from command) |
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| 02:13.56 | liable | dondelelcaro: ah, right, bit of an odd thing to do though |
| 02:14.09 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: shutdown can be allowed using shutdown.allow, but generally using sudo is the right way to do things |
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| 02:14.44 | Szeraax | so if i really dont care about security is there any way to lower the requirements? |
| 02:14.58 | Szeraax | i also did say for allow local shutdown and i still have to sudo |
| 02:15.15 | NsN | dondelelcaro: The installation "skipped" that step, id didn't even get asked for a pass. I will try to replicate it, and if i don't find a solution i will try the way you mentioned earlier... |
| 02:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: just set the users who you want to be able to use shutdown to be able to use it |
| 02:15.53 | Szeraax | (btw, this is single user lappy) |
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| 02:16.07 | GhostlyDeath | My computer freezes |
| 02:16.20 | GhostlyDeath | I can tell because None of the function keys work at all |
| 02:16.28 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: mine does too, if I try to unload my wireless driver |
| 02:16.45 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: then set your own user as youruser ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown; in sudoers or whatever is appropriate. |
| 02:16.47 | GhostlyDeath | Vasistha: shutting down |
| 02:16.56 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Which laptop have you? |
| 02:17.03 | Szeraax | oh i did. |
| 02:17.04 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Gateway MX6960 |
| 02:17.11 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: so what's the problem then? |
| 02:17.16 | Szeraax | i just hate always having to type root for menial tasks |
| 02:17.24 | Szeraax | i mean sudo |
| 02:17.26 | Szeraax | ** |
| 02:17.39 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: then alias shutdown='sudo shutdown' |
| 02:17.46 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's hard to work around |
| 02:17.47 | Szeraax | for anything |
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| 02:18.04 | Szeraax | iwconfig, nano to non /home area |
| 02:18.16 | Szeraax | ifconfig |
| 02:18.18 | mfrisch | Szeraax: root is a good thing. it keeps us from doing stupid things |
| 02:18.19 | dondelelcaro | you don't need to use sudo for iwconfig or ifconfig |
| 02:18.19 | Szeraax | brctl |
| 02:18.25 | Szeraax | i do |
| 02:18.32 | Szeraax | and that's what i hate |
| 02:18.34 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: no, you don't; just /sbin/ifconfig or similar. |
| 02:18.48 | dondelelcaro | it's only when you're changing things that you have to use sudo |
| 02:18.52 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Where would shutdown logs be stored? |
| 02:18.59 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: last; |
| 02:19.03 | Szeraax | whenever i type "iwconfig" i get command not found |
| 02:19.10 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: because /sbin is not in your PATH. |
| 02:19.15 | Szeraax | when i type "sudo iwconfig" i get all my stuff |
| 02:19.19 | Szeraax | ohh.... |
| 02:19.21 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: It will be interesting to make a little article about your setup and link it on tuxmobile and linux-on-laptop. Still missing there it's looks |
| 02:19.38 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: But I'd have to make it |
| 02:19.42 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: /var/log/messages |
| 02:20.07 | itchi | quick a bit of some food, brb :-p |
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| 02:20.24 | Szeraax | and to go test... brb |
| 02:21.10 | chowmeined | wow |
| 02:21.15 | chowmeined | debian etch is unusable |
| 02:21.15 | ruben | Hi, I think that I have problems with dpkg database, because I cannot remove the python-cairo |
| 02:21.25 | chowmeined | i am shocked |
| 02:21.31 | Vasistha | chowmeined: that's too bad ... I'm so happy with it myself :P |
| 02:21.32 | ruben | apt-get remove python-cairo, any idea how to fix dpkg database (apt-get) ? |
| 02:21.47 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Apr 6 22:06:52 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart? |
| 02:21.52 | chowmeined | X has already hard locked the machine once |
| 02:21.59 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: yup |
| 02:22.02 | chowmeined | and now apt is freaking out |
| 02:22.13 | chowmeined | plus package dependencies aren't working very well |
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| 02:22.29 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: it stops there |
| 02:22.44 | GhostlyDeath | then goes to the bootup messages |
| 02:22.47 | mfrisch | chowmeined: this is the debian help channel not the debian bitch channel |
| 02:22.59 | chowmeined | dont get me wrong |
| 02:23.02 | chowmeined | I love debian sarge |
| 02:23.10 | chowmeined | I am just surprised thats all |
| 02:23.11 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Hold on 5-10 mins, otherwise i gona mess my lapie, guick eating |
| 02:23.17 | brendonjt | hi all just a quick question I am running Debian etch, and was wondering is there a repo to install the latest gnome(2.18) ? |
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| 02:23.22 | mfrisch | chowmeined: what you running on? |
| 02:23.54 | Vasistha | chowmeined: well, etch still is 'testing' so your experience reports would probably be appreciated in the debugging process that will result in etch going stable |
| 02:24.07 | ruben | How to fix the dpkg database if it is corrupted? |
| 02:24.15 | mfrisch | brendonjt: not yet. maybe in sid by now? |
| 02:24.24 | chowmeined | I suppose, I just always saw debian as being so stable I just kind of though debian's testing would be another distro's stable |
| 02:24.31 | chowmeined | thought |
| 02:25.01 | Vasistha | brendonjt, mfrisch : probably not, unstable is 2.14 and experimental is 2.16 |
| 02:25.10 | chowmeined | mfrisch: A dual processor P3, 768MB ram.. scsi raid 5 |
| 02:25.35 | mfrisch | chowmeined: it is stable here...hhm new disks? |
| 02:25.56 | chowmeined | It doesnt seem like a hardware problem |
| 02:25.59 | chowmeined | no segmentation faults |
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| 02:26.06 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I never pay attention to gnome releases. |
| 02:26.08 | chowmeined | or mysterious reboots |
| 02:26.12 | brendonjt | Vasistha, on the gnome website it says it is released (2.18) and iirc it is in feisty fawn correct me if i am wrong |
| 02:26.33 | Szeraax | i use etch and actually it has been just as stable as sarge has for me |
| 02:26.38 | Vasistha | mfrisch: I just did a p.d.o search :P |
| 02:26.49 | Gwildor_ | i run etch, only issues i have are that of e |
| 02:26.57 | spldart | What's a good torrent client to run in terminal for deb etch bittornado-gui is sucking to much cpu for my tastes |
| 02:27.00 | mfrisch | chowmeined: it should rock and roll on that. |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | brendonjt: try asking #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. i haven't seen anything yet |
| 02:27.28 | chowmeined | mfrisch: I blame X.. if it was my decision I wouldn't have installed it heh |
| 02:27.31 | Vasistha | brendonjt: sure, but a big system like that takes a while to integrate into the debian system. The ubuntu people do a lot of work to move things in quickly, but they don't really do anything that helps debian to get it. |
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| 02:28.04 | Szeraax | how do i configure the apt sources in etch? i've tried base-config and that hasnt worked. i've done some man-ning and havent gotton anything. |
| 02:28.07 | wick2o | hello |
| 02:28.15 | mfrisch | chowmeined: not unless you are running gnome and kde ;-) |
| 02:28.40 | wick2o | in debconf id like to use a db_get netcfg/get_ipaddress and use that value as a default for questions in my custom deb |
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| 02:28.43 | Vasistha | Szeraax: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 02:28.47 | dpkg | sources.list is, like, something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 02:28.49 | wick2o | or can you ONLY set a default in your templates file? |
| 02:28.57 | Gwildor_ | Szeraax, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:28.58 | brendonjt | Vasistha, thank you for your help, hopefully it should be put in when etch comes out of frozen and released |
| 02:29.21 | chowmeined | mfrisch: just gnome |
| 02:29.31 | Szeraax | i know where it is, but i dont want to even try typing all that i would need to type... |
| 02:29.46 | Gwildor_ | Szeraax, what are you trying to do? |
| 02:29.52 | Szeraax | especially for a cd that has packages on it... |
| 02:30.10 | Szeraax | i tried that i bit with my sarge and it didnt like me doing that either |
| 02:30.11 | Vasistha | brendonjt: it's probably not going to be in etch, but it should be available in backports for etch at some point ;-) |
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| 02:30.16 | Szeraax | add a package source |
| 02:30.24 | Szeraax | either from cd or from http |
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| 02:30.36 | Gwildor_ | Szeraax, FIND THE LINK, COPY AND PASTE IT |
| 02:30.40 | Gwildor_ | sorry caps |
| 02:30.42 | Gwildor_ | fat finger |
| 02:30.46 | wick2o | Szeraax, apt-get source package_name isnt working for you? |
| 02:30.47 | Szeraax | so easier way? |
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| 02:31.11 | Szeraax | nooo, no not package source |
| 02:31.17 | brendonjt | Vasistha, thanks again, what is the real differance between etch and sid if any |
| 02:31.21 | Szeraax | i meant the source of packages... |
| 02:31.29 | Szeraax | like security.debian.org |
| 02:31.34 | wick2o | ahhhh |
| 02:31.34 | NsN | I'm using the current stable netinst cd to install debian. The PC is a 1 GHZ 32 Bit Athlon. Wenn i get to the point "set up usernames and passwords" i get the error "dpkg-query error parsing file /var/lib/dpkg/available at line 13 - package name missing - /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure passwd not installed" the only unusal thing about my pc is that it has 3 soundcards and a 1 GB cf card instead of a hard disk, any ideas? |
| 02:31.39 | Szeraax | yeah, my bad |
| 02:31.46 | Szeraax | sprrs about that |
| 02:31.53 | Szeraax | sorrs* |
| 02:31.55 | Vasistha | brendonjt: sid is much less stable than etch. much more volatile. Things break more. But the packages are updated more often |
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| 02:32.33 | brendonjt | ok thanks foe that so what is the current stable release |
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| 02:32.41 | Vasistha | brendonjt: actually, a more appropriate question is, what's the difference between testing and unstable. "etch" will eventually go "stable" at which point testing will get a new name. sid will always be unstable. |
| 02:32.44 | Szeraax | in sarge i did base-config and chose configure app --> add http (or cd, etc.) --> choose one |
| 02:32.47 | Vasistha | brendonjt: stable = sarge |
| 02:32.56 | GhostlyDeath | sid deleted my 100 page essay |
| 02:32.59 | Szeraax | i know of no such thing for etch |
| 02:33.32 | Gwildor_ | Szeraax, you could use synaptic |
| 02:33.41 | brendonjt | well i learnt something today thanks guys |
| 02:33.52 | Szeraax | i prefer console |
| 02:33.53 | GhostlyDeath | Did the people who made the synaptic touch pad make the synaptic package manager? |
| 02:34.25 | Szeraax | but i guess i can use spnaptic if its only to add sources |
| 02:34.27 | Gwildor_ | Szeraax, ive only ever edited /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:34.33 | Szeraax | wow, good job |
| 02:34.37 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: I think that was ubuntu's "baby" |
| 02:34.39 | Szeraax | did you ever add a cd? |
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| 02:34.44 | kurakao | hi |
| 02:34.56 | Gwildor_ | Szeraax, if i did, i jsut uncommented the line.. |
| 02:35.03 | itchi | Be back :-p |
| 02:35.17 | Szeraax | so how did you get the cd there in the first place then? |
| 02:35.32 | Szeraax | i really would hate to type that whole thing fro cd in |
| 02:35.33 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: no, they just coincidentally have the same name. |
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| 02:36.13 | Szeraax | ok, well next topic. i believe i have sufficient info on that now... |
| 02:36.21 | GhostlyDeath | Vasistha: Synaptics is the touch pad and Synaptic is the package manager... |
| 02:36.24 | Szeraax | thanks |
| 02:36.31 | GhostlyDeath | Surprissed there are no lawsuits or anything |
| 02:37.05 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: correct. it's just a coincidence, nothing to worry about. keep in mind SynAPTic has "apt" in it, which undoubtedly contributed to the name |
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| 02:38.10 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: That log file should tell you enought i thought |
| 02:38.36 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: "Apr 6 22:06:52 localhost kernel: klogd 1.4.1#18, log source = /proc/kmsg started." appears after the restart statement |
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| 02:39.34 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I can only load it as root, so I'm checking it out |
| 02:39.44 | GhostlyDeath | gedit is loading it |
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| 02:40.02 | polsonn | hi, i am using kde3.5 with debian etch. can't use network folder. do i have to install a packge? |
| 02:40.17 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: brb for some minutes (maybe 5-10) - it might be loaded by then |
| 02:40.31 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Learn vi or whatever nice cli editor you may like ;-) |
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| 02:40.58 | polsonn | GhostlyDeath: nano will do. |
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| 02:44.28 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: btw, nano have (limited) syntax highlighting. You gona like it |
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| 02:47.21 | liable | GhostlyDeath: btw, if you add yourself to 'adm' group, you can read those logs as user. |
| 02:48.33 | ruben | Hi, I have a some problem using apt-get, it fails trying to install 'lots of packages' |
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| 02:48.37 | ruben | http://pastebin.ca/427909 |
| 02:48.41 | ruben | any idea? |
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| 02:49.48 | mfrisch | ruben: purge the python-cairo package and try again. Hopefully that will work |
| 02:50.07 | itchi | ruben: A 'pycentral' trouble, python stuff |
| 02:50.24 | mfrisch | ruben: unless you are on dialup redownloading the packages might be a good idea |
| 02:50.28 | ruben | apt-get -y remove --purge python-cairo |
| 02:50.33 | ruben | but I get the same output :( |
| 02:50.47 | itchi | ruben: There is a bug: # |
| 02:50.48 | itchi | UnboundLocalError: local variable 'config' referenced before assignment |
| 02:51.10 | mfrisch | itchi: for etch? |
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| 02:51.27 | itchi | mfrisch: I dunno, but there is a bug in that code anyway |
| 02:52.03 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: it's been awhile but it still is NOT loaded! |
| 02:52.14 | GhostlyDeath | so i'm canceling |
| 02:52.30 | liable | loading what? |
| 02:52.33 | ruben | itchi: Do you have any idea how to fix it? I cannot remove that package too :( |
| 02:52.36 | GhostlyDeath | /proc/kmesg |
| 02:52.42 | GhostlyDeath | kmsg* |
| 02:53.03 | mfrisch | itchi: got mine ii python-cairo 1.2.0-1 |
| 02:53.38 | itchi | ruben: Ug, the sad way modify that code and add a emtpy 'config' variable. But DO NOT trust me |
| 02:54.07 | itchi | mfrisch: Same here |
| 02:54.10 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: So how would I make my computer be able to shut down? |
| 02:54.11 | ruben | pF python-cairo 1.2.0-1 |
| 02:54.16 | ruben | what is pF ? |
| 02:54.36 | itchi | ruben: Look to that header |
| 02:54.46 | itchi | ruben: The asci art thingy |
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| 02:55.10 | abrotman | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 02:55.23 | ruben | Failed? |
| 02:55.45 | itchi | ruben: Look to the second line |
| 02:55.54 | ruben | itchi: Where to put the empty local file? |
| 02:56.04 | itchi | ruben: Nah, not do that, hold on |
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| 02:56.48 | GhostlyDeath | what's dmesg.0? |
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| 02:56.57 | abrotman | in /var/log/ ? |
| 02:57.00 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 02:57.05 | GhostlyDeath | There are a bunch of .0 files |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | it's a rotated log file |
| 02:58.53 | itchi | ruben: Can you reinstall pycentral? |
| 02:58.53 | ruben | buff, using apt-get upgrade I get the same error about 'python' problems |
| 02:58.53 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: All my logs end at restart |
| 02:59.01 | GhostlyDeath | so how would I find shutdown errors? |
| 02:59.27 | multi_io | !info xserver-xorg-core |
| 02:59.30 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Just before the syslog shut down |
| 02:59.35 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: (X.Org X server -- core server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.1.1-21 (sid), Packaged size: 3567 kB, Installed size: 10120 kB |
| 02:59.38 | ruben | itchi: wich package is pycentral? |
| 02:59.41 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: restart too? |
| 03:00.01 | multi_io | it appears that xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video in Debian unstable (Xorg 7.1). Is this intentional, and which package should I install? |
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| 03:01.10 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: just before restart is "Apr 6 22:07:36 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth2 for sub-path eth2.dbus.get.reason" |
| 03:01.18 | itchi | ruben: python-central |
| 03:01.22 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: yup |
| 03:01.38 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: so what? |
| 03:01.43 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: I dunno :-) |
| 03:02.01 | multi_io | do people here who run Xorg 7.1 have xserver-xorg-core installed? |
| 03:02.06 | ruben | itchi: apt-get remove python-central I get the same python errors :( |
| 03:02.15 | itchi | ruben: no, reinstall |
| 03:02.19 | ruben | how? |
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| 03:02.29 | itchi | ruben: s/remove/reinstall/ |
| 03:02.35 | ruben | t-get reinstall python-central |
| 03:02.35 | ruben | E: Invalid operation reinstall |
| 03:02.41 | ruben | how to do it? |
| 03:02.49 | GhostlyDeath | re-install ? |
| 03:02.55 | enouf | wakefield sucks ass :-P |
| 03:02.56 | itchi | ruben: oh yeah --reinstall. I not use apt-get anymore. Sorry :-s |
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| 03:03.14 | itchi | ruben: bah, use aptitude man :-p |
| 03:03.45 | abrotman | enouf: you forgot to prefix my nick .. wussy |
| 03:03.55 | enouf | my 4 year old niece could hit a home run off his shitty knuckler ... at 20.5mph ...lol |
| 03:04.08 | enouf | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | but you couldn't hit it |
| 03:04.12 | ruben | apt-get --reinstall python-central |
| 03:04.13 | ruben | E: Invalid operation python-central |
| 03:04.14 | ruben | xD |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:04.27 | mfrisch | abrotman: did you see our mayors pitch for opening day ;-) |
| 03:04.27 | enouf | :-P |
| 03:04.29 | itchi | hehe :- |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | our mayor ? |
| 03:04.46 | mfrisch | my mayor |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | ah .. no i didn't |
| 03:05.07 | ruben | itchi: apt-get --reinstall packagename? |
| 03:05.09 | mfrisch | our the citizen of cincinnati |
| 03:05.11 | itchi | ruben: Man, i need to look in the manual, i guess it's apt-get install --reinstall foo but dunno anymore. Kinda hard to support some stuff we not use haha |
| 03:05.23 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone know how I can figure out why my computer won't shutdown? |
| 03:05.40 | itchi | Anyway, why people still use apt-get while the Debian devs tell to use aptitude ! :-s |
| 03:05.55 | Szeraax | i use aptitude, i love it |
| 03:05.57 | mfrisch | abrotman: it was horrible. its on you-tubed |
| 03:05.58 | GhostlyDeath | I use aptitude |
| 03:06.17 | ruben | itchi: I cannot, I think that my all python package have errors :) |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | mfrisch: most of them are |
| 03:06.27 | screenn | what can I do gprs usb connect in debian? |
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| 03:07.02 | itchi | ruben: Wait, need to look in the bug reporst. Look at the same time how you need to use you lovely apt-get thingy :-p See /msg dpkg grounding |
| 03:07.48 | screenn | who know? |
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| 03:08.07 | screenn | who use gprs internet connection in debian? |
| 03:08.16 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.33 | itchi | ruben: A space to much |
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| 03:08.50 | itchi | ruben: Got it? |
| 03:09.11 | ruben | yes, I see, thx, but I think that I have an error on all python-* packages |
| 03:09.27 | itchi | ruben: Is 'normal', kug |
| 03:10.02 | abac | hi, when will be etch out? |
| 03:10.15 | Coweater | tomorrow |
| 03:10.26 | abac | sure |
| 03:10.27 | ruben | Some friend tell my that 'unstable' is 'stable' with a new packages, not sure if he is my friend now :) |
| 03:10.38 | amphi | heh |
| 03:10.40 | Coweater | june 24th |
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| 03:11.08 | abac | very late |
| 03:11.09 | Coweater | evrybody noes |
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| 03:11.26 | abac | it is 6 month late |
| 03:11.28 | Coweater | debian is never late, it's always on time |
| 03:11.30 | Coweater | liar |
| 03:11.39 | mfrisch | abac: you could help if the schedule cramps your plans |
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| 03:12.43 | abac | i asked for debian cd's on december last year they told wait the etch will be out the few days but ... |
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| 03:12.49 | itchi | ruben: Have you python-all installed? |
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| 03:13.21 | ruben | now yes |
| 03:13.22 | mfrisch | abac: do you have a high speed internet connection download them. |
| 03:13.25 | Coweater | abac: somebody lied to you, there never has and never will be a set release date |
| 03:13.41 | mzilikazi | Debian is neither late nor early - it arrives precisely when it means to. |
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| 03:13.45 | itchi | ruben: heh |
| 03:13.58 | ruben | I cannot delete any of that packages |
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| 03:14.10 | ruben | sorry :) |
| 03:14.28 | itchi | ruben: Man, i not told you to install it btw :-p I'm looking in the bug reports ... |
| 03:14.48 | ruben | lot of thanks itchi :) |
| 03:15.27 | ruben | itchi: when I use apt-get upgrade, I see |
| 03:15.32 | ruben | 5 not fully installed or removed. |
| 03:15.39 | ruben | maybe python-* packages |
| 03:15.51 | ruben | They are 5 |
| 03:15.58 | itchi | ruben: Yup, cause you have a trouble there |
| 03:16.05 | abac | The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'. |
| 03:16.31 | itchi | ruben: Is your trouble fixed now? |
| 03:16.34 | amphi | !pal abac |
| 03:16.39 | mfrisch | abac: how many times was vista set back..not that you can compare? |
| 03:16.46 | Szeraax | lol |
| 03:16.50 | dondelelcaro | abac: that wasn't an official announcement from the release team |
| 03:16.57 | ruben | itchi: I cannot fix it :( |
| 03:17.10 | dondelelcaro | and more importantly, we don't set release dates, esp. not that far out |
| 03:17.16 | abac | that lines are from debian.org |
| 03:17.19 | itchi | ruben: ok, hold on, i look in the bugreports, there should be somehtings know i guess |
| 03:17.22 | dondelelcaro | abac: I know where it's from |
| 03:17.39 | itchi | ruben: Or type 'reportbug python-central' and watch |
| 03:17.58 | abac | theae lines cause me to wait more 6 months |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | six? |
| 03:18.38 | dondelelcaro | abac: well, if you had talked to someone who actually knew, they would have told you that that announcement was incorrect |
| 03:18.45 | abac | otherwist i was installing the 3.1 |
| 03:18.48 | Coweater | you waited 6 months? just install something, you can update later |
| 03:18.49 | itchi | ruben: Or as web interface: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=python-central&archive=no&version=&dist=testing |
| 03:18.50 | ruben | Your version of python-central (0.5.13) is newer than that in Debian! Do you |
| 03:18.50 | ruben | still want to file a report |
| 03:19.23 | itchi | ruben: No no, not fill a report, first need to look if it's not yet know |
| 03:19.39 | itchi | already* |
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| 03:20.04 | dondelelcaro | ruben: and lo and behold, it's already been reported twice. See #418109 |
| 03:21.04 | itchi | yup, 'exact' the same |
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| 03:21.45 | ruben | okey, so it is not fixed yed I assume nope? |
| 03:21.49 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Follow you each bug? |
| 03:22.01 | ruben | I think that is my bug :) |
| 03:22.12 | mfrisch | ha |
| 03:22.26 | dondelelcaro | itchi: no, but it's really easy to find them |
| 03:22.41 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you could subscribed to debian-bugs-dist if you actually wanted all of the bugs |
| 03:22.49 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: you know more than most |
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| 03:23.03 | itchi | dondelelcaro: How did you find that bug id so quick? |
| 03:23.15 | dondelelcaro | itchi: I looked at the bug list of python-central |
| 03:23.25 | dondelelcaro | itchi: bugs.debian.org/python-central |
| 03:23.27 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, me to buahaha |
| 03:24.12 | ruben | well, thanks a lot itchi and dondelelcaro :), maybe tomorrow is fixed |
| 03:24.26 | itchi | ruben: Help us to fix it :-p |
| 03:24.36 | ruben | hahaha, I am a newbie here |
| 03:24.39 | ruben | heheh |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're such a dork :) |
| 03:24.53 | itchi | dondelelcaro: eh, tell me how to do that :-p |
| 03:24.54 | mfrisch | ha ha |
| 03:25.53 | ruben | 'serious' is the maximun bug? |
| 03:26.04 | dondelelcaro | ruben: no, grave is |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | there's grave and RC |
| 03:26.07 | ruben | This bug has a 'serious' bug |
| 03:26.10 | ruben | ah ok ok |
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| 03:26.30 | dondelelcaro | it's wishlist minor normal important serious critical grave |
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| 03:28.08 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Oh a 'bash' alias you mean? Right? |
| 03:29.14 | dondelelcaro | itchi: no, a firefox alias |
| 03:29.18 | itchi | Not that usefull thingy on the right corner to quick do a Google, Ebay, wikipedie ... seach |
| 03:29.23 | itchi | heh |
| 03:29.28 | dondelelcaro | or a really, a bookmark with a keyword |
| 03:29.36 | dondelelcaro | bugs.debian.org/%s and keyword bd |
| 03:30.21 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Cause you have a better thing that i still not understand how to setup :-p |
| 03:30.45 | itchi | I not find these alias options in Iceweasel |
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| 03:30.56 | dondelelcaro | itchi: make a bookmark for bugs.debian.org/%s |
| 03:31.01 | dondelelcaro | itchi: then set a keyword to 'bd' |
| 03:31.15 | dondelelcaro | er... db; then type db foopkg; |
| 03:31.41 | vin` | dondelelcaro: neat |
| 03:31.48 | dondelelcaro | http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_full/.mozilla/firefox/default/bookmarks.html <-- you could use this too if you were terminally lazy |
| 03:32.16 | itchi | I'm not lazy, im dumb! Not the same trouble :-p |
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| 03:32.39 | liable | heh |
| 03:33.02 | leemur | win 2 |
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| 03:35.24 | itchi | How do i set a keyword to db? |
| 03:36.05 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it's one of the things that you can fill in when you edit a bookmark. |
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| 03:36.24 | vin` | how do I load a bookmark file in iceweasel? |
| 03:36.39 | dondelelcaro | vin`: open it in the bookmark manager, iirc. |
| 03:36.42 | itchi | doh! |
| 03:37.04 | itchi | wtf, that's cool |
| 03:37.14 | itchi | now that other one ... :-p |
| 03:37.43 | vin` | dondelelcaro: hey thanks dude, very nice collection. :) |
| 03:39.02 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks man! |
| 03:39.17 | itchi | !tell deg0nz|weq -about away |
| 03:39.40 | vin` | there should be an import/open button in the bookmark manager popup, |
| 03:40.26 | itchi | A merge thingy |
| 03:40.42 | GhostlyDeath | How do I find out what caused a kernel panick? |
| 03:41.01 | nn-k-laptop | no idea GhostlyDeath |
| 03:41.15 | ofer | GhostlyDeath, check what happened before the panic |
| 03:41.29 | GhostlyDeath | I did "shutdown -r now" as root |
| 03:41.34 | GhostlyDeath | it went too fast to see anything though |
| 03:41.38 | ofer | and it caused the panic ? |
| 03:41.43 | nn-k-laptop | usually happens when kernel cant find somthing vitle GhostlyDeath |
| 03:41.59 | GhostlyDeath | It said something about Aieee and tcp something |
| 03:42.09 | GhostlyDeath | could it be ieee stuff? |
| 03:43.03 | liable | i think thats a wacky kernel coders error message |
| 03:43.08 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Reset your suspend config?? |
| 03:44.20 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: I've seen 'aaaiiiiieeeee syncing in interrupt handler' or some such |
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| 03:46.26 | GhostlyDeath | I would of wrote it all down but it was too much |
| 03:46.35 | GhostlyDeath | and it was incomplete anyway |
| 03:46.41 | GhostlyDeath | since the top portion was cut off |
| 03:47.20 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: this is shutting down, would suspend.conf mess around with shutdown? |
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| 03:48.28 | nn-Ds | have they come out with that big report on globle worming yet |
| 03:48.40 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Dunno, but like you have mess with that the whole night :-) |
| 03:49.32 | mzilikazi | eeek global worms! |
| 03:49.39 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Or maybe, track back what you did |
| 03:49.39 | nn-Ds | lol |
| 03:49.50 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: what do you mean "track back"? |
| 03:50.26 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Look what you did as last things befor that trouble have happend |
| 03:50.50 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Got hibernation working |
| 03:51.03 | nn-Ds | GhostlyDeath, are you compiling a kernal |
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| 03:51.08 | GhostlyDeath | nn-De no |
| 03:51.14 | GhostlyDeath | I'm shutting it down |
| 03:51.18 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Did you play with acpi? |
| 03:51.19 | nn-Ds | outch that worce |
| 03:51.40 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I only changed /etc/powersave/sleep |
| 03:51.46 | amphi | I found out the hard way that swsusp really doesn't like the cpu being undervolted ;) |
| 03:51.48 | screenn | who knows gprs ppp skript? |
| 03:52.17 | itchi | amphi: Oh yeah, i not yet have try that undervolting project there :-s heh |
| 03:52.38 | GhostlyDeath | My CPUs have frequency scaling enabled |
| 03:52.54 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Me too here |
| 03:53.01 | GhostlyDeath | Would enabling debug mode help find out why? |
| 03:53.07 | amphi | itchi: the acpi handler for suspend-to-disk should restore the voltages before echoing disk ... |
| 03:54.03 | GhostlyDeath | damn ALSA isn't working... |
| 03:54.18 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Debug mode of what? Anyway, debug info will be usefull in your cause right now |
| 03:54.30 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: how do I enable it? |
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| 03:54.39 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Depend of what |
| 03:54.50 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: Kernel debugging |
| 03:55.01 | GhostlyDeath | would it print to /var/logs/ too? |
| 03:55.12 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: That's a kernel config option i thought |
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| 03:55.27 | Reiser2 | hi |
| 03:55.45 | Reiser2 | somebody here know gnugk (gatekeeper) ? |
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| 03:56.05 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: You can check the config in /boot/config-2.6.18-4-x |
| 03:56.20 | Reiser2 | check this http://www.pastebin.ca/427953 and http://www.pastebin.ca/427954 |
| 03:56.47 | Reiser2 | i have problems |
| 03:58.03 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Looks like all these kernel debug options are disabled |
| 03:58.17 | GhostlyDeath | all is not set |
| 03:58.37 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Yup, i guess that make to much noice |
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| 03:58.50 | itchi | s/noice/noise/ |
| 03:59.04 | itchi | !tell Breadstick -about root |
| 04:00.07 | GhostlyDeath | Should I install the "crash" package? |
| 04:00.35 | amphi | !sing root |
| 04:00.36 | dpkg | Give me a clueeeueue, kick me baybee 'cause I'm root. |
| 04:00.50 | GhostlyDeath | !sing bananas |
| 04:01.15 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: You need a kernel patch, so you need to recompile your kernel then |
| 04:02.10 | GhostlyDeath | I'll just keep doing it until I figure out what the problem is |
| 04:02.23 | GhostlyDeath | can't i do a " > filename"> |
| 04:02.24 | GhostlyDeath | ? |
| 04:02.35 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: what machine is this? |
| 04:02.40 | GhostlyDeath | amd64 |
| 04:02.52 | itchi | hhhm yeah |
| 04:02.56 | GhostlyDeath | Gateway MX6960 (Laptop) |
| 04:03.14 | itchi | Weird brand :-p |
| 04:03.27 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: anyhing on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org? |
| 04:03.32 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: no |
| 04:03.32 | itchi | no :-( |
| 04:03.37 | amphi | heh |
| 04:03.38 | itchi | Not yet! |
| 04:03.43 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: I was asked to put in an entry |
| 04:03.45 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Man, you know what you have to do :-p |
| 04:04.01 | GhostlyDeath | Well |
| 04:04.10 | GhostlyDeath | I'm going to start figuring out why |
| 04:04.22 | amphi | TFM gains a new author ;) |
| 04:04.32 | GhostlyDeath | The question that makes us all |
| 04:04.35 | GhostlyDeath | Goodbye friends |
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| 04:09.03 | nn-k-laptop | is there sutch a thing as an irclogd bot |
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| 04:10.05 | nn-k-laptop | ? |
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| 04:10.56 | liable | Piggy: what are you? |
| 04:11.28 | GhostlyDeath | =/ |
| 04:11.30 | GhostlyDeath | that didn't work |
| 04:12.44 | GhostlyDeath | Any suggestions why it crashes? |
| 04:12.49 | GhostlyDeath | is there a Linux "safe" mode? |
| 04:12.57 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.08 | mfrisch | yes |
| 04:14.01 | GhostlyDeath | how do I enable it? |
| 04:14.22 | liable | telinit 1 |
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| 04:14.28 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: grub usually puts it under your kernel or as root init 1 its gonna shut down all servers and stuff |
| 04:14.31 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: hi |
| 04:14.35 | liable | or boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 04:14.46 | mfrisch | Reiser2: hello how are you. |
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| 04:15.08 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: fine man, fighting againts gnugk |
| 04:15.14 | Reiser2 | is almost working |
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| 04:15.44 | mfrisch | Reiser2: you should go the asterisk way gnugk has so many bugs! |
| 04:16.14 | Reiser2 | but asterisk can work with videoconference? |
| 04:16.28 | GhostlyDeath | COuld automatic mounters cause problems? |
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| 04:17.01 | mfrisch | Reiser2: it can even do h.323 sip and I believe iax2 also do video..it's is just harder to find clients |
| 04:17.41 | Reiser2 | well |
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| 04:17.55 | Reiser2 | i will continue with gnugk |
| 04:18.00 | Reiser2 | i have no time |
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| 04:18.20 | mfrisch | Reiser2: gnugk is sometimes used as load-balencing for asterisk |
| 04:18.51 | Reiser2 | the problem is: the documentation can solve my problem |
| 04:19.03 | Reiser2 | there is no people that can help me |
| 04:19.23 | Reiser2 | only mailing list, but i don't get answers |
| 04:20.09 | ruben | itchi: It is fixed now :) |
| 04:20.12 | Reiser2 | i have server and 2 computers, i can't use gnomemeeting to comunicate between both computers, but without password |
| 04:20.17 | ruben | Only adding global config in the script |
| 04:20.22 | ruben | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418108 |
| 04:20.25 | mfrisch | Reiser2: asterisk is alot of fun and worth learning. #freepbx is great asterisk help with there twist. There is full installs that are done in a hour and have webui setup |
| 04:20.28 | ruben | thank you! |
| 04:21.14 | mfrisch | Reiser2: just put the ip in the clients should work without the server |
| 04:22.12 | mfrisch | Reiser2: depending on what networks they are on |
| 04:22.16 | Reiser2 | but i want to control with server |
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| 04:22.35 | Reiser2 | all in my network |
| 04:22.41 | itchi | ruben: Heh, what did you? |
| 04:22.48 | itchi | oh |
| 04:22.52 | ruben | hehehe |
| 04:22.56 | ruben | yes, you are right |
| 04:22.57 | Reiser2 | 192.168.1.120 and 192.168.1.103 |
| 04:23.10 | mfrisch | Reiser2: try just using the ip and see what happens. |
| 04:23.11 | Reiser2 | server is 192.168.1.7 |
| 04:23.38 | itchi | ruben: heh, that's a stupid bug buhahaha |
| 04:23.47 | Reiser2 | when i used user name but no password all is ok |
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| 04:23.57 | Reiser2 | check this http://www.pastebin.ca/427953 and http://www.pastebin.ca/427954 |
| 04:24.06 | ruben | itchi: :) |
| 04:24.08 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: look that |
| 04:24.24 | zerothis | forgive my ignorence, I have WIBD. Linux woul allow my to create a directory (~/dira) that linked to another directory (~/dirab) so the everything in dirb would be seen in dira. and then I could link another directory (/media/sd1/dirc) so that everything in dirc would also appear in dira. so dirb and dirc content would both be listed in dira. possible with ln. and would these best be a hard links or symbolic (or one of each)? |
| 04:24.26 | Gge | I want to install a log viewer . is logtoo app the right one ? |
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| 04:25.30 | Gge | logtool |
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| 04:26.39 | mfrisch | Reiser2: I'm reading ;-) |
| 04:26.39 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 04:29.16 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: are u there? |
| 04:30.12 | mfrisch | Reiser2: first I don't think you need nat (it's a bitch with any voip, iax2 works through nat well) and since you are all on the same network, nat doesn't apply |
| 04:30.31 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 04:30.45 | pipeline | how can it be so quiet? |
| 04:31.12 | Reiser2 | i have to change SupportNATedEndpoints=1 to 0 ? |
| 04:32.08 | Reiser2 | but i will used it in 2 diferents network in the future |
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| 04:33.42 | mfrisch | Reiser2: yeah 0 |
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| 04:33.58 | aalex | hi |
| 04:34.23 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: did you see the ----> SimplePasswordAuth password not found for 'Genny Stephanie' |
| 04:35.19 | aalex | How can I change the diplay size of the console? I want to use a laptop without Xorg, and I know that it can use the full screen when set to 1024x768 @ 60Hz at a depth of 16 bits. Now, as I don't want to use X.... |
| 04:35.23 | aalex | anyone> |
| 04:35.25 | mfrisch | GKAUTH SimplePasswordAuth rule added to check RAS: ARQ RRQ, OTHER: NONE Reiser2 this is more interesting |
| 04:35.26 | aalex | ? |
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| 04:35.47 | epsilon | anyone from canada and can recommend me some ISP providing rootserver/vserver? or any index site with the list of such ISP in .ca? |
| 04:36.10 | aalex | epsilon, which province? |
| 04:36.25 | epsilon | dont care, I'm in germany |
| 04:36.31 | aalex | why canada? |
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| 04:36.39 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: ok |
| 04:36.56 | epsilon | cause I need a proxy solution .ca <-> .de |
| 04:37.16 | epsilon | eh, tunnel I mean |
| 04:37.28 | aalex | epsilon, koumbit.org, canaca.net, vif.com, etc. |
| 04:37.34 | epsilon | ok |
| 04:37.48 | aalex | koumbit is a smal non-profit org pro-debian |
| 04:37.57 | numan | i am a newbie to linux and looking for help for almost everything like updating software to device drivers |
| 04:38.10 | liable | aalex: put vga=ask at the end of your kernel line |
| 04:38.11 | aalex | apt-get upgrade :) |
| 04:38.29 | aalex | liable, where is my kernel line? in grub? |
| 04:38.34 | liable | !tell numan about reference |
| 04:38.34 | aalex | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.38 | liable | aalex: yup |
| 04:38.48 | liable | menu.lst |
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| 04:39.32 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: i have to go to sleep, can we talk tomorrow? |
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| 04:39.48 | mfrisch | Reiser2: yes sure tomorrow! |
| 04:40.02 | Reiser2 | thanks |
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| 04:40.46 | xjkx | can thunar show hidden files like .files? |
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| 04:41.26 | liable | should be able to |
| 04:41.34 | nvz | never heard of thunar |
| 04:41.46 | liable | file browser |
| 04:41.47 | xjkx | thunar rocks nvz test it, its my first time |
| 04:41.53 | xjkx | it uses xfce things |
| 04:42.04 | xjkx | but i hate FM dont show my .files :/ |
| 04:42.04 | nvz | bleah |
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| 04:42.28 | xjkx | nvz, which one you use? |
| 04:42.31 | numan | !debian reference |
| 04:42.31 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 04:43.36 | nvz | xjkx: I mostly just use bash to do things but I use nautilus sometimes |
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| 04:44.07 | liable | mc ftw |
| 04:44.30 | ndowens | has anyone had a problem with starting opera after u install it? |
| 04:44.43 | liable | segfault? |
| 04:44.45 | Xorm | of course, I've never used opera... |
| 04:44.47 | nvz | I tried to like mc but it lacks |
| 04:45.33 | Pobega | screen > mc |
| 04:46.20 | liable | !dbugs 418016 |
| 04:46.23 | dpkg | #418016:N[libx11-6] Recent security update of libx11-6 (1.0.3-7) made opera segfault; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:03:02 UTC |
| 04:46.38 | liable | ndowens: ^^ ?? |
| 04:47.26 | Alam_Debian | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/890647 hotfix of Opera with libx11 |
| 04:48.28 | aalex | liable, now, do I enter scan or 80x60 ? |
| 04:48.50 | Alam_Debian | "..you can change the "DefaultDepth" option to 16 in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file..." <- hell no.. |
| 04:49.52 | aalex | Alam_Debian, you too are dealing with 16 depth (if i had X) |
| 04:50.13 | ndowens | liable: it gives me a plugin error and also says authentication rejected |
| 04:50.18 | ndowens | segment fault |
| 04:51.10 | nvz | xjkx: Ctrl+H or View> Show Hidden Files |
| 04:51.57 | Azar | hehe ytree |
| 04:52.05 | Azar | ytree > mc |
| 04:52.08 | liable | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 04:52.13 | liable | ooops |
| 04:52.15 | Azar | uh uh.. |
| 04:52.47 | aalex | liable, using vga=ask, I first said "scan" and then the letters appears smaller. then I chose "80x60" and now everything is weird and small. shoud I choose 80x50? |
| 04:52.54 | liable | laggy ssh connection |
| 04:53.19 | liable | aalex: try em all and see which you like i guess. google for vga codes |
| 04:53.38 | hark | vga=791 for 1024x768 |
| 04:53.55 | aalex | liable, and then when I find one, I use cga=791... :) |
| 04:53.59 | aalex | vga |
| 04:54.06 | PingFloyd | aalex: check in the kernel docs |
| 04:54.31 | aalex | PingFloyd, all right, because grud doc was not much helpful |
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| 04:54.37 | liable | whats vga for 1600x1200? |
| 04:54.42 | PingFloyd | it's not a grub thing |
| 04:55.06 | nvz | I dunno.. this thunar isnt too bad.. seems to do a lot and fairly quickly.. depending on xfce-panel and all kinds of stuff is a bit dumb though |
| 04:55.31 | ndowens | opera gives 'libawt.so from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored and also java |
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| 04:56.21 | mike1980 | I want to jail ssh seasion user to a directory ow can I do this |
| 04:56.58 | aalex | PingFloyd, is http://kernel.org/ the place to look? |
| 04:57.26 | PingFloyd | aalex: check under /usr/src/`uname -r`/Documentation |
| 04:57.46 | hark | liable: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 04:57.47 | PingFloyd | aalex: or under /usr/share/doc if you installed the kernel docs package |
| 04:57.49 | ndowens | so what do i do |
| 04:58.21 | xjkx | nvz, thanks |
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| 05:01.01 | chronographer | hi all, is there an easy way to use the tv out on my video card to view movies etc (basically what i see on my comp) on my tv? im using debian etch |
| 05:02.42 | cahoot | chronographer: if nvidia then yes quite easy |
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| 05:04.22 | chronographer | i use nvidia |
| 05:04.24 | chronographer | 5600 |
| 05:04.49 | chronographer | is it a gui solution or the good ol' xorg ? |
| 05:06.09 | cahoot | chronographer: there are numerous howtos, like this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456 |
| 05:06.37 | xjkx | nvz, how do i close a tab? |
| 05:07.16 | chronographer | thx |
| 05:07.57 | hark | a tab in what? |
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| 05:13.52 | mhall | What's the key to change HDTV / DVB channels in mplayer? |
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| 05:16.00 | aalex | hark : 791 worked, thanks !! |
| 05:16.11 | aalex | no I have a full screen shell |
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| 05:16.38 | aalex | I might install X, because I could get 1280x1024 @ 256 colors |
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| 05:20.29 | atrus | dvds are playing corrupt in etch for me, this didn't happen a week ago. suggestions? |
| 05:21.37 | atrus | problem is affecting xine and totem-xine |
| 05:22.51 | Heston | hello, ive got an nvidia mcp55 ethernet chipset that isnt working correctly with etch rc2. I am trying to install it but the ethernet refuses to pick up an address with dhcp |
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| 05:25.53 | ndowens | in dpkg.log it is giving errors either half-installed or half-configured, what is wrong |
| 05:27.29 | crm__ | will xmms run in textmode? |
| 05:28.50 | rvalles | crm__: no idea, but I believe mplayer can use xmms plugins for input |
| 05:29.00 | rvalles | crm__: if that does help at all. |
| 05:29.19 | liable | crm__: i dont think so |
| 05:29.31 | crm__ | ta |
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| 05:30.03 | crm__ | another q.. i can't find xawtv in aptitude |
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| 05:30.13 | crm__ | is it called something else? |
| 05:30.30 | liable | !info xawtv etch |
| 05:31.06 | dpkg | xawtv: (X11 TV application), section x11, is extra. Version: 3.95.dfsg.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
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| 05:35.30 | rvalles | liable: there's also xdtv, a fork |
| 05:35.34 | factor | what is a good debian prog to copy dvds? |
| 05:36.02 | dalias | dvdbackup or vobcopy maybe |
| 05:36.21 | factor | cool thanks |
| 05:36.22 | dalias | once you have it on your hdd, burning is easily done with growisofs or your favorite dvd burn proggie |
| 05:36.33 | factor | right |
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| 05:37.01 | factor | can k3b do dvd buring yet? |
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| 05:37.46 | dalias | i dunno |
| 05:37.57 | dalias | i always use command line for burning |
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| 05:38.13 | liable | factor: yep |
| 05:38.26 | factor | cool |
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| 05:44.32 | crm__ | aptitude seems to be taking forever to load the cache |
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| 05:46.10 | Regnad | When installing etch, I UNselected -all- Tasks, including "Standard Packages". |
| 05:46.10 | Regnad | After installation, running tasksel does not include a "Standard Packages" choice. |
| 05:46.10 | Regnad | What is the proper way to get a list of those "Standard Packages"? |
| 05:46.10 | Regnad | Using "~pstandard" in aptitude? |
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| 05:47.28 | Regnad | When installing etch, I UNselected -all- Tasks, including "Standard Packages". |
| 05:47.40 | Regnad | After installation, running tasksel does not include "Standard Packages". |
| 05:47.52 | Regnad | What is the proper way to get a list of those "Standard Packages"? |
| 05:48.02 | Regnad | Using "~pstandard" in aptitude? |
| 05:48.21 | numan | how to know the kernel version one is using? |
| 05:48.36 | numan | and how to update the kernel? |
| 05:49.36 | Regnad | numan: "uname -r" I think |
| 05:50.44 | numan | my version is 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 05:51.26 | KradSaitam | buenas |
| 05:52.00 | KradSaitam | estem... tengo un problemilla con debian |
| 05:52.05 | liable | numan: what kind of processor you got? |
| 05:52.14 | Regnad | numan: I've never updated a kernel, but I would start by using aptitude and searching for "kernel-image". |
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| 05:52.26 | hunshad | hey all |
| 05:52.29 | Regnad | numan: That should show you many options. |
| 05:52.31 | numan | intel p4 2.8Ghz |
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| 05:52.39 | Crypticfortune | ldap questions: (im using ldap, and trying to fix settings on another machine) why would "getent passwd" get a full list of users (including bob), but "id bob" report "no such user"??? |
| 05:52.58 | hunshad | how can translate to debian |
| 05:53.09 | hunshad | if i'm on ubuntu |
| 05:53.18 | hunshad | by konsole |
| 05:53.18 | liable | numan: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 05:53.21 | numan | i have many problems with my desktop like diplay,sound drivers |
| 05:53.52 | numan | liable: so this is the latest one? |
| 05:53.59 | liable | numan: for sarge, yes |
| 05:54.04 | Regnad | hunshad: What do you mean by "translate"? |
| 05:54.30 | hunshad | change |
| 05:54.38 | numan | liable: can i get rid of sarge bcoz many ppls said it was very older that etch? |
| 05:54.50 | crm__ | =) |
| 05:54.51 | hunshad | scuse me my native language is franch |
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| 05:55.12 | liable | numan: just change your source.list and replace sarge/stable to etch, then dist-upgrade |
| 05:55.50 | Regnad | hunshad: I took the simple approach - I just did a fresh install of Debian over top of Ubuntu |
| 05:57.05 | numan | liable: can i run multiple terminal windows together |
| 05:57.05 | concept10 | Im attempting to setup a router with a DSL modem. Should PPP be on the modem or the computer? |
| 05:57.05 | hunshad | ok and the command is ?? |
| 05:57.05 | numan | ubuntu is more complicated and unrealiable than gnu |
| 05:57.05 | liable | numan: what exactly do you mean? |
| 05:57.05 | hunshad | apt-get install debian |
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| 05:57.36 | factor | or go here. http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 05:57.38 | numan | liable: actually i am downloading the kernel image so at the same time can i run another terminal window to edit my sources list |
| 05:57.48 | liable | numan: sure |
| 05:58.05 | numan | liable x |
| 05:58.08 | Crypticfortune | hunshad: the easy way is to go download an installation iso and install it from scratch. there's more complicated ways using debootstrap, but, it's basically an install of a new OS |
| 05:58.09 | Regnad | hunshad: Many options: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 05:58.31 | hunshad | ok |
| 05:58.46 | hunshad | i will try to understand |
| 05:59.15 | Regnad | hunshad: If you have a high speed connection, download the first one or two CDs from debian.org, and boot from them. |
| 05:59.28 | hunshad | ok |
| 05:59.38 | hunshad | yes i have speed connection |
| 05:59.42 | concept10 | Anyone here have use a Speedstream DSL modem or ATT internet? |
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| 06:01.02 | hunshad | downlaod image de cédéroms ISO 9660 |
| 06:01.09 | hunshad | ?? |
| 06:01.27 | numan | liable: my kernelis not updated i get this Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . |
| 06:01.29 | numan | Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst . |
| 06:01.30 | numan | Searching for splash image... none found, skipping... |
| 06:01.32 | numan | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 06:01.33 | numan | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 06:01.35 | numan | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 06:01.57 | liable | numan: thats what its supposed to do. please dont paste in here |
| 06:02.16 | numan | ok |
| 06:02.17 | hunshad | downlaod cédéroms ISO 9660 |
| 06:02.22 | hunshad | ?? |
| 06:02.48 | numan | but again when i type uname -r it show me the older version |
| 06:03.15 | Regnad | numan: Did you reboot? |
| 06:03.24 | numan | not yet |
| 06:03.37 | numan | so i have to reboot the whole system |
| 06:03.54 | Regnad | numan: When you do so, you will see a new entry in the grub menu. |
| 06:04.07 | amphi | for a kernel upgrade, yes |
| 06:04.08 | numan | ok renad |
| 06:04.18 | Regnad | numan: There is probably a way to do it without reboot, but I don't know how. |
| 06:04.32 | numan | ok i am rebooting |
| 06:04.49 | numan | and then come again to fix display sound etc. |
| 06:04.53 | Regnad | %^)*&^)^*^)NO CONNECTION |
| 06:04.58 | Regnad | ;-) |
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| 06:05.53 | Regnad | hunshad: Maybe the other chat room, "debian-fr" would also be helpful |
| 06:06.15 | hunshad | Mm k |
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| 06:07.44 | cartesian1984 | I'm wondering where to start with a no-name USB wireless adapter. How do I find out the chipset? |
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| 06:08.20 | amphi | cartesian1984: lsusb -v tells you nothing? |
| 06:08.22 | crm__ | plug it into windows cartesian1984 and check the device listing |
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| 06:08.41 | ndowens | in /var/log/dpkg.log it says a lot of packages were half installed or half configured, why is that? |
| 06:08.50 | cartesian1984 | amphi: hadn't thought of that, thanks. |
| 06:09.05 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I'm using the Etch RC2 installer to build a test machine. During installation I'm asking to select a timezone, but I am only offered American timezones. Does anyone know anything about this? |
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| 06:09.20 | Regnad | cartesian1984: You can always research the "FCC ID" number on the device |
| 06:11.19 | cartesian1984 | Regnad: it's a friend of mine I'm helping in Mexico. I'm not sure if it's got one. Is it on the packaging or can I get it from the lsusb -v? |
| 06:11.26 | ndowens | opera says that and so does xorg, opera don't work, but x11 is working so i don't get it |
| 06:12.19 | Regnad | ArtV: The install manual says: "The selected country will be used later in the installation process to pick the default timezone" |
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| 06:13.57 | Regnad | cart: on the package (Sorry, can't msg) |
| 06:14.37 | cartesian1984 | Regnad: all right, thanks. |
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| 06:16.11 | Regnad | Art: After installation you can try the command: tzconfig |
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| 06:20.23 | Regnad | wow. lsusb -v is a beautiful thing. |
| 06:24.23 | DawnLight | what do i need installed to get access to a windows FAT partition? what about NTFS? |
| 06:25.50 | Regnad | DawnLight: The mount command is what you want. |
| 06:28.51 | DawnLight | will it be mounted automatically if i attach a harddrive and boot, Regnad? |
| 06:29.01 | DawnLight | like all the other devices? |
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| 06:30.25 | Regnad | DawnLight: take a look at /etc/fstab to see if it is listed there |
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| 06:32.15 | Regnad | DawnLight: If you see an entry something like "/dev/hdb1 /my_window_dir ntfs defaults". |
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| 06:33.33 | Regnad | DawnLight: The fstab file sort of automates what you would have to type for the mount command. |
| 06:34.10 | Regnad | DawnLight: Reading the man page for mount would be very enlightening for you. |
| 06:34.13 | DawnLight | i'll read about mount. the fstab should list my partitions anyway right? |
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| 06:35.00 | Regnad | DawnLight: Yes, and each partitions associated "mount point", filesystem type, and mount options. |
| 06:35.08 | ndowens | according to dpkg.log it says most of the installed programs are half-configured, but there are some that is half-installed |
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| 06:35.40 | xingu | ndowens: dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:36.06 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 06:36.07 | ndowens | hmm |
| 06:37.12 | ndowens | reinstalled opera and same error |
| 06:37.18 | xingu | DawnLight: nb, if you're running a fat desktop environment like gnome or kde, you'll find that udev->hald->dbus->{gnome,kde} automounts most of your storage |
| 06:37.32 | ndowens | still says halfconfigured opera |
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| 06:37.51 | xingu | ndowens: dpkg --configure -a, and pastebin the result |
| 06:37.58 | ndowens | no error |
| 06:37.58 | amphi | schmopera |
| 06:38.18 | xingu | ndowens: apt-get install --reinstall opera, and pastebin the result |
| 06:38.21 | ndowens | just goes back to the command prompt |
| 06:38.55 | ndowens | i am installing opera, so i have to use dpkg -i opera |
| 06:39.09 | ndowens | doesn't give an error, but does when i try to start it |
| 06:39.40 | xingu | report a bug to the vendor. |
| 06:39.49 | xingu | not a debian problem in that case |
| 06:39.54 | ndowens | even tried the beta version |
| 06:40.05 | ndowens | 9.10 has been working fine when i installed it b4 |
| 06:40.50 | xingu | sounds like they're shipping a busted package; good luck with that, I suggest you raise a support ticket. |
| 06:41.11 | ndowens | heh |
| 06:41.36 | cahoot | xingu: opera segfaults for some reason after etch update yesterday |
| 06:41.46 | ndowens | i am on sid |
| 06:41.46 | multi_io | goddamn, the Linux console (non-X) terminal is totally broken |
| 06:41.47 | xingu | cahoot: not really our problem though is it |
| 06:41.58 | cahoot | xingu: opera busted or whatever? |
| 06:42.06 | xingu | cahoot: per term must be |
| 06:42.11 | multi_io | aptitude is virtually inoperable there |
| 06:42.14 | ndowens | i mean even xorg says half installed or half configured, but it still works even after i restarted X |
| 06:42.27 | multi_io | all manpages look f*cked up |
| 06:42.45 | multi_io | heh |
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| 06:42.57 | multi_io | unset LANG and it looks much better |
| 06:43.07 | cahoot | xingu: until the reason is clear who can say what's busted? |
| 06:43.49 | xingu | cahoot: if dpkg installs it without erroring on a dep or erroring in pre/postinst, it must be a busted binary |
| 06:44.55 | Regnad | When installing etch, I UNselected -all- Tasks, including "Standard Packages". |
| 06:45.03 | Regnad | After installation, running tasksel does not include "Standard Packages". |
| 06:45.04 | ndowens | xingu: will u look at this just to see what u think: http://pastebin.ca/428050 |
| 06:45.08 | xingu | cahoot: it probably has an unstated dep on a particular lib; life's too short to troubleshoot that sort of shit, remove it and replace it with firefox. ;) |
| 06:45.13 | cahoot | xingu: really? opera works - upgrade etch - opera segfaults - who can tell what's busted? |
| 06:45.14 | ndowens | i am wondering if my sys is screwed or so |
| 06:45.15 | Regnad | What is the proper way to get a list of those "Standard Packages"? |
| 06:45.21 | Regnad | Using "~pstandard" in aptitude? |
| 06:46.22 | xingu | cahoot: if you really *want* to troubleshoot it, ldd and strace and a pre/post upgrade chroot are your friends |
| 06:47.04 | xingu | ndowens: that means approximately nothing; try dpkg -l and pastebin that. |
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| 06:47.38 | ndowens | just says --install needs at least one package to archive file argument |
| 06:48.03 | xingu | that's lima, not indigo |
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| 06:52.35 | xingu | I'm personally more interested in why sid's python is failing in postinst |
| 06:52.44 | DawnLight | when i try to open with konqueror my windows partition it yells "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"... help |
| 06:52.55 | ndowens | going to try the tar.gz file |
| 06:53.33 | xingu | ndowens: would you like to pastebin dpkg -l before you do? |
| 06:54.56 | ndowens | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/428053 |
| 06:54.56 | roxy_ | Hi, I am trying to install debian on a system without CD driver. I can boot with boot.img and follow up with root.img. Then I need the network driver. I need sis900.It is not in net-drivers.img. According to: http://www.remote.org/jochen/projects/jvc/ I should find it in drivers.tgz . Where can I find drivers.tgz ? |
| 06:55.25 | xingu | ndowens: I dunno what font you're using there, but that's minus lima, not minus india |
| 06:55.45 | xingu | ndowens: I need to see minus lima |
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| 06:57.18 | ndowens | hold a sec |
| 06:58.26 | ndowens | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/428057 |
| 07:00.05 | xingu | ndowens: ok, so pastebin dpkg -i opera*deb |
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| 07:00.35 | xingu | ... and that is india this time. |
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| 07:02.31 | ndowens | it unpacked it and setup correctly w/o error |
| 07:02.46 | xingu | ok, so now pastebin dpkg -l opera |
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| 07:03.33 | DawnLight | when i try to access my windows partition on another hard drive it shouts "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"... |
| 07:03.36 | DawnLight | help |
| 07:03.54 | ndowens | has ii beside opera |
| 07:04.00 | ndowens | just like the other packages from earlier |
| 07:04.05 | DawnLight | perhaps root in needed? |
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| 07:05.04 | xingu | ndowens: right; so it's not a packaging or debian problem whatever it is; the next part of this is to troubleshoot why a debian packaged, but non-debian binary won't work on a debian system which meets all the package's dependandices |
| 07:05.09 | ndowens | so i assume bad versiona nd also bad beta |
| 07:05.42 | ndowens | hmm wonder where i can find a lil older release of 9.10 is |
| 07:05.58 | xingu | ndowens: troubleshooting that sort of thing is enough of a waste of time that I'd want to charge for it; and I've got a shoulder of mutton to go buy at market regardless |
| 07:06.05 | xingu | ndowens: so good luck with your vendor. |
| 07:06.15 | ndowens | heh ty though |
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| 07:13.21 | himmelstrutz__ | is there any tools in debian that gives the same amount of information as whois.domaintools.com do? I like the "IP Location" function. geoip-bin also has that function, but it only display the country name of given IP -- while whois.domaintools.com gives town and etcetera. is ther any such tool? |
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| 07:19.18 | DawnLight | can i get kde to handle shell dialogs? |
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| 07:24.16 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: 'whois' |
| 07:24.47 | himmelstrutz__ | valdyn: but whois doesn't give you the town name - |
| 07:25.43 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: gives plenty town times. Which town name do you need? |
| 07:25.51 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: s/times/names |
| 07:26.25 | itchi | himmelstrutz__: That link above also |
| 07:26.59 | itchi | There was one that showed me on a map |
| 07:27.27 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: are you referring to "Experimental: Geographical Information Locations" ? |
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| 07:27.45 | itchi | valdyn: That one where the other life |
| 07:28.10 | valdyn | itchi: live? |
| 07:28.34 | itchi | valdyn: oh, yup :-p |
| 07:28.43 | itchi | a glitch :-) |
| 07:28.48 | himmelstrutz__ | I am using whois --verbose -- and still doesn't give me any information the town that IP is seated in |
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| 07:29.09 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: yea, that's not what the whois database does |
| 07:29.23 | itchi | bah, i have not bookmark that other one. There was a site that could tell me 2 streets near where i live. But you can not add there an ip to track someone other |
| 07:29.23 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: ..which is why i asked the above.. |
| 07:29.47 | himmelstrutz__ | valdyn: well, that's what I want to do. nothing else. isn't there any such tool/library? |
| 07:30.24 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: geoip-bin - IP lookup command line tools that use the GeoIP library |
| 07:30.45 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: maybe that, but just mind that such information cant be reliable |
| 07:30.46 | himmelstrutz__ | gosh, I've already used that -- but only gives me the country name. |
| 07:30.59 | himmelstrutz__ | (as stated above) |
| 07:31.03 | himmelstrutz__ | thanks anyhow! =/ |
| 07:31.10 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: for many ips its not possible to know the town |
| 07:31.35 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: so if some db shows it, it might aswell be a guess |
| 07:31.35 | itchi | I need to fix iceweasel, he always clean that history gggrrr |
| 07:31.41 | himmelstrutz__ | so these sites have some special libray that isn't open for the public? |
| 07:31.53 | roxy_ | where can I find the net driver for sis900 to use to do a net install with floppies ? |
| 07:32.01 | valdyn | himmelstrutz__: maybe |
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| 07:33.08 | liable | roxy_: the sis900 was in 2.4 kernels iirc |
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| 07:33.15 | liable | even 2.2 |
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| 07:35.45 | roxy_ | liable: I use boot.img and then root.img but it still can't connect, I tried all drivers from net-driver.img without luck. (sis900 is not shown). That's the laptop I am trying to install: http://www.remote.org/jochen/projects/jvc/ |
| 07:37.38 | itchi | valdyn: I think also, cause i had fall on one that showed me at 2 streets near i live, i could not believe it when i saw that |
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| 07:39.37 | liable | roxy_: dont know, but it is in the 2.4 kernel. |
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| 07:43.17 | valdyn | what is that sis900 anyway? and old nic? |
| 07:43.31 | liable | they still make em, but yeah |
| 07:44.05 | valdyn | roxy_: its defenitely in etchs 2.6.18 kernel, if its old its most probably in sarge's 2.6.8 kernel too |
| 07:44.23 | liable | it definately in the 2.6.8 as i have one |
| 07:44.30 | valdyn | roxy_: and that kernel ships with the default sarge netinstall ( i know noting about those floppies ) |
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| 07:46.28 | valdyn | mm, debians bug server has issues again |
| 07:47.41 | itchi | valdyn: The http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ ? |
| 07:48.12 | valdyn | itchi: no, the site accessed by apt-listbugs |
| 07:48.46 | roxy_ | liable: and the kernel is in root.img, isn't it ? |
| 07:48.46 | itchi | valdyn: Ohyeah, still borked :-s |
| 07:49.05 | spiritraveller | debian is the best linux distro ever! |
| 07:49.33 | spiritraveller | none of the others are even relevant. |
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| 07:49.37 | valdyn | spiritraveller: we know, tell #gentoo ;) |
| 07:49.38 | ofer | spiritraveller, it isn't the best, but it's the only one which actually works |
| 07:50.23 | ofer | if you don't care if your distro works or not, you can try ubuntu, gentoo, slackware or whatever. |
| 07:51.24 | liable | roxy_: boot i think, the root has the installer |
| 07:51.26 | spiritraveller | if it's the only one that works... then it must be the best! |
| 07:51.55 | ofer | if you don't want to end up every evening with a kernel panic or other errors that keeps you from working, you should definitely use debian. |
| 07:52.09 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 07:52.23 | jetscreamer | any os is as good as it's admin (basically) |
| 07:52.47 | redrain | Hi, I have cronjob problem. This command suppose to work every hour but it doesn't and I have no idea what could be the problem: 0 * * * * /usr/bin/perl /home/gg/awstats/tools/awstats_buildstaticpages.pl -config=mydomain.com -update -awstatsprog=/home/gg/awstats/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -dir=/home/gg/www/istatistik/ |
| 07:53.00 | spiritraveller | jetscreamer: ...as long as it's admin is all-knowing |
| 07:53.25 | jetscreamer | or at least non-clueless |
| 07:53.27 | valdyn | redrain: what does your log say about that one? |
| 07:53.55 | spiritraveller | no human is non-clueless |
| 07:54.01 | redrain | valdyn: Actually I don't know where to look for crontab logs. But syslog says nothing |
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| 07:54.28 | valdyn | redrain: the system email account, root or whatever root is aliased to gets output of run cronjobs |
| 07:54.41 | valdyn | redrain: /var/log/syslog should have the cronjobs |
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| 07:55.28 | liable | redrain: did you read the awstats docs? you might need to change the perms on your logs |
| 07:55.59 | redrain | valdyn: syslog says crontab worked: Apr 7 10:51:30 gercek crontab[20493]: (gg) LIST (gg) |
| 07:56.15 | valdyn | redrain: also, what's wrong about /etc/cron.hourly/ |
| 07:56.23 | roxy_ | valdyn, liable : thanks, I found it. But now when I try to load it, it says it fail. How can I know the argument to gives to the driver ? |
| 07:56.30 | valdyn | redrain: probably nicer to not have jobs run at the same time where avoidable |
| 07:56.39 | redrain | liable: Yes, there is no problem with log file permissions, I manualy changed it, and as I said command work fine if I type it at command line |
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| 07:57.08 | valdyn | roxy_: is that a pci device? |
| 07:57.28 | jetscreamer | you don'[t need to give any args to the 900 |
| 07:57.33 | jetscreamer | it just works |
| 07:57.34 | redrain | valdyn: Do you suggest to add my job to /etc/cron.d/cron.hourly? |
| 07:57.42 | valdyn | redrain: yea |
| 07:57.51 | valdyn | redrain: just a script, no 'cron' specific stuff |
| 07:58.08 | redrain | valdyn: Ok, I'll try that, but why I can't get any output of cronjob |
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| 07:58.34 | valdyn | redrain: no idea, didn't see an error yet in your cronjob |
| 07:59.05 | valdyn | redrain: /etc/cron.hourly/, not /etc/cron.d/cron.hourly |
| 07:59.43 | Gokee2 | How does one figure out what is using a device when umount says its busy? |
| 07:59.49 | valdyn | redrain: cron.d contains cronjobs, cron.hourly contains scripts, /etc/crontab doesnt need to be touched ever, really |
| 07:59.56 | jetscreamer | lsof |
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| 08:00.06 | simonrvn | lsof, fuser, and using mount -l |
| 08:00.09 | jetscreamer | lsof |grep hdb or somehthing |
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| 08:00.38 | redrain | valdyn: Ok thank you. Is there a doc for writing scripts for cron.hourly? Until now I was using crontab -e to add cronjobs |
| 08:00.47 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, Thanks :) |
| 08:01.03 | roxy_ | valdyn: this is the laptop I am trying to install http://www.remote.org/jochen/projects/jvc/ . I don't have the doc and no info in the bios. |
| 08:01.06 | valdyn | redrain: nah, its just scripts in there, even binary executables should work |
| 08:01.13 | valdyn | redrain: 'anything' you can run |
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| 08:01.45 | redrain | valdyn: Thanks again... |
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| 08:05.51 | streuner | Does someone run 'i965' with etch? |
| 08:06.17 | streuner | (with a debian official kernel) |
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| 08:11.03 | dondelelcaro | redrain: if you're wondering about it, man run-parts; and less /etc/crontab; should tell you exactly what is being done |
| 08:11.18 | itchi | When i start vmware-server now, i get many messages in dmesg like rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz. What mean this? |
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| 08:14.05 | redrain | dondelelcaro: Thank you... This file looks like crontab -e. Is there anything special I have to care when I'm editing this? |
| 08:14.24 | dondelelcaro | redrain: not really, no. Although, you generally don't want to edit it. |
| 08:15.44 | dondelelcaro | redrain: if you want the flexibility that /etc/crontab gives you, I'd suggest using /etc/cron.d/ |
| 08:15.57 | redrain | dondelelcaro: Ok. Thank you... |
| 08:16.18 | dondelelcaro | (but if you don't care, just drop scripts in to be run with run-parts /etc/cron.hourly or whatever is appropriate) |
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| 08:17.09 | dondelelcaro | (the reason why I suggest not editing /etc/crontab is just because it's less work when that file changes on the debian side) |
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| 08:19.24 | dutchfish | hi, i just update xmms in Etch, but i have no longer sound from it also it looks like it is playing, what can i do? |
| 08:19.28 | compDo | I want to install Xorg modules for my old ATI Rage128 video card. When I try to install "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati", I get "No candidate version found ...". Why? And where do I get the ATI modules? |
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| 08:20.27 | itchi | Anyway, it's fixed now (followed the http://chxo.com/be2/20060821_3333.html) But i wonder a bit about these errors i got |
| 08:20.27 | roxy_ | is there a way to do a complete net install (without floppies)? The laptop understand dhcp from the bios. |
| 08:21.05 | itchi | roxy_: A 'pxeboot' |
| 08:21.05 | dutchfish | roxy_, you could do it by cdrom netinstall or use piix boot |
| 08:21.11 | ifireball | roxy_: there is, using PXE boot, I don't remember the package names you need though |
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| 08:22.59 | ifireball | roxy_: I do remebr seeing a howto somewhere about how to tweak the Debian installer to work over PXE |
| 08:23.35 | dutchfish | compDo, you need to install the xserver-xfree86 first then install the propriarity drivers from ATI itself, or better install Etch and use grlx |
| 08:24.46 | itchi | s/grlx/fglrx/ |
| 08:25.36 | ifireball | what? no .deb to do it for you? its a good thing I stayed with nvidia... |
| 08:25.40 | dutchfish | anyone knows (i forgot) how to configure sound for xmms, i lost after latest update in Etch |
| 08:26.05 | ifireball | dutchfish: you have sound for other apps? |
| 08:26.11 | dutchfish | ifireball, yes |
| 08:26.15 | itchi | dutchfish: Just define that Output plugin in the preferences |
| 08:26.27 | dutchfish | itchi, ie: alsa |
| 08:26.28 | karsten | dutchfish: check your mixer levels. |
| 08:26.36 | itchi | dutchfish: Then restart xmms |
| 08:26.39 | karsten | dutchfish: ... and your output prefs for xmms |
| 08:26.40 | dutchfish | karsten, ok ill check |
| 08:26.58 | itchi | But i thougt, xmms not always need a restart |
| 08:27.23 | compDo | dutchfish, I couldn't find any propriarity drivers from ATI for my card. They only provide support for other ATI models |
| 08:27.24 | karsten | dutchfish: alsa or oss? |
| 08:27.36 | itchi | roxy_: Do you run Sarge? |
| 08:27.45 | itchi | oeps |
| 08:27.55 | itchi | compDo: Do you run Sarge? |
| 08:28.44 | compDo | I run stable, so I suppose it's Sarge |
| 08:28.50 | karsten | dutchfish: You might want to check both aumix *and* alsamixer |
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| 08:28.52 | itchi | compDo: Yup |
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| 08:30.01 | itchi | compDo: Is there not that ati driver stuff in that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 thingy? |
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| 08:30.10 | dutchfish | mm... its fixed it was the update that changed my setup from alsa automagically to oss, very strange ... |
| 08:30.37 | itchi | dutchfish: yeah, cause that's user specific |
| 08:30.38 | karsten | dutchfish: You fixed it or it automagickally works? |
| 08:30.39 | compDo | itchi, no, only my old nvidia driver |
| 08:31.03 | dutchfish | karsten, i had to tell to use the alsa libs instead of oss |
| 08:31.18 | karsten | dutchfish: Right, that should work better anyhow. |
| 08:31.18 | dutchfish | karsten, its working perfectly now |
| 08:31.27 | karsten | Cool. |
| 08:32.06 | dutchfish | compDo, what does lspci -vv tells you about your card? |
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| 08:32.52 | itchi | How can we read the docs of a package without installing it? |
| 08:33.20 | dutchfish | itchi, apt-cache show [package] |
| 08:33.29 | itchi | dutchfish: Nah, the docs |
| 08:33.34 | Coweater | goggle them |
| 08:33.36 | itchi | dutchfish: The files |
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| 08:33.59 | dutchfish | itchi, apt-get download forst then browse the package? |
| 08:34.04 | itchi | Or maybe need it to fetch the stuff extract it and ... |
| 08:34.13 | itchi | dutchfish: Yup :-( |
| 08:34.23 | dutchfish | itchi, man apt-get |
| 08:34.42 | streuner | itchi: man pages sure, but README.Debian or INSTALL files rather not |
| 08:34.52 | itchi | But i think there's a way to read the content of a package without installing it |
| 08:34.54 | dutchfish | dutchfish, after that go to you cache folder |
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| 08:35.19 | itchi | streuner: hhhm, maybe was that in a nice dream :-s |
| 08:35.20 | dutchfish | itchi, apt-get can also download only |
| 08:35.33 | itchi | dutchfish: Yup yup |
| 08:35.40 | compDo | dutchfish, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 08:36.03 | dutchfish | compDo, ok. Are you on Sarge or Etch? |
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| 08:37.03 | compDo | dutchfish, I'm running Sarge |
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| 08:38.04 | dutchfish | compDo, you should then install xserver-xfree86 if you didnt already |
| 08:38.49 | dutchfish | compDo, that way you could run your card but without hardware acc. |
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| 08:39.09 | dutchfish | compDo, for that hardware-acc you need ATI drivers |
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| 08:41.23 | compDo | dutchfish, Ok, I'll try |
| 08:42.07 | StormBlade | ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the |
| 08:42.07 | StormBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.39 | dutchfish | StormBlade, flash sxx big time on 64bit |
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| 08:43.20 | xand | flash sucks. |
| 08:43.29 | dutchfish | xand, that too |
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| 08:45.16 | dutchfish | StormBlade, how i solved it: because i use xen most of the time i have a dom-U for browsing with all that funky plugins under sarge 32-bit |
| 08:45.24 | StormBlade | dutchfish: what do you mean ? |
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| 08:45.51 | schlaumix | hellp |
| 08:46.11 | dutchfish | StormBlade, there is only 32 bit version that works for flash |
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| 08:46.58 | dutchfish | StormBlade, i dont know if it possible to install a 32bit browser in a 64bit system? |
| 08:50.19 | StormBlade | dutchfish i am using debian on amd64 |
| 08:50.37 | StormBlade | no possibiity for me to use flash ? |
| 08:50.55 | dutchfish | StormBlade, i didnt say that, but you will have a hard time on it |
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| 08:51.21 | dutchfish | StormBlade, is it amd or intel cpu? |
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| 08:52.21 | luke_ | is there a command to setup my monitor, have installed an LCD monitor and since this X cannot load? |
| 08:52.35 | dutchfish | luke_, Sarge or Etch? |
| 08:52.41 | Wyzard | StormBlade: There's no 64-bit Adobe Flash, but to install it on a 32-bit system, you should use the "flashplugin-nonfree" package, not Adobe's installer |
| 08:52.44 | luke_ | I have played around with dpkg-reconfure and XF86 config |
| 08:53.09 | luke_ | dutchfish testing |
| 08:53.27 | dutchfish | luke_, dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg |
| 08:53.40 | dutchfish | luke_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg* |
| 08:53.46 | Wyzard | dutchfish: won't help if he's customized xorg.conf, I believe |
| 08:53.53 | luke_ | dutchfish ok |
| 08:53.54 | Wyzard | dutchfish: It won't overwrite the file |
| 08:54.02 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yes but it auto-backups |
| 08:54.15 | Wyzard | OK, so it does overwrite now? |
| 08:54.29 | dutchfish | Wyzard, yes but it auto-backups |
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| 08:54.40 | AndyMcGee | Hi |
| 08:54.47 | Wyzard | It used to be that if the file was different from what debconf had generated previously, it'd refuse to touch it at all |
| 08:54.51 | luke_ | dutchfish this did not overwrite the file, as its been customised? |
| 08:55.36 | AndyMcGee | What program could be used to find double files in my mp3 collection? |
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| 08:56.01 | luke_ | AndyMcGee grep and uniq? |
| 08:56.30 | luke_ | AndyMcGee ie some nice command |
| 08:56.35 | dutchfish | luke_, or you can manualy cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf . |
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| 08:56.50 | luke_ | dutchfish copy that where? |
| 08:57.05 | dutchfish | luke_, to your home dir just in case |
| 08:57.37 | luke_ | dutchfish done |
| 08:58.03 | AndyMcGee | luke_, yes i thought about not reinventing the wheel... |
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| 08:59.14 | luke_ | AndyMcGee uniq and sort are very handy |
| 08:59.24 | luke_ | AndyMcGee along with a ls recursive |
| 08:59.57 | Coweater | pair them with a good id3 utility and you could be in business quickly |
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| 09:00.45 | luke_ | dutchfish now what, x still down :( |
| 09:01.00 | dutchfish | luke_, you did reconfig ? |
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| 09:01.36 | dutchfish | luke_, with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 09:01.37 | luke_ | dutchfish it did not write....because it thinks it has been customized. |
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| 09:02.08 | dutchfish | luke_, wel you made a backup of xorg.conf |
| 09:02.19 | luke_ | dutchfish just going to edit xorg.conf manually a sec |
| 09:04.07 | luke_ | woohoo its working |
| 09:04.15 | dutchfish | luke_, :) |
| 09:04.28 | luke_ | dutchfish I think I know what the problem is.... I been editting the wrong damn file! oops |
| 09:04.38 | luke_ | bbias...thanks for the help etc |
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| 09:04.54 | roxy_ | If I use Damn Small linux on my laptop, Is there a way from there to install debian on it ? |
| 09:04.56 | muhoo | is there a modern successor to uupdate, that works with the latest-greatest debian packaging tools? |
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| 09:05.48 | muhoo | i.e. i am trying to uupdate a package that has no diff.gz, it uses some newer fancy-ass debian packaging tool, and uupdate fails |
| 09:05.50 | dutchfish | roxy_, if you have something to burn a cdrom and can boot from it and have enough resources on your system, yes |
| 09:06.10 | Blissex | roxy_: yes, even if it is not quite Debian. DSL is based on the unreleased Debian packages. |
| 09:06.27 | roxy_ | dutchfish: I don't have a cdrom driver on my laptop |
| 09:06.30 | muhoo | shit. the package uses cdbs. and uupdate apparently hates cdbs |
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| 09:06.54 | dutchfish | roxy_, or floppy-boot? |
| 09:06.55 | muhoo | so, what's the new cdbs-compatible equivalent to uupdate, is my question |
| 09:07.04 | Blissex | muhoo: if you are perchance using the 'unstable' repository, you understand packaging tools inside oputut and we cannot presume to help a guru like you :-) |
| 09:07.21 | stew | roxy_: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 09:07.24 | roxy_ | dutchfish: floppy boot work but the ethernet card can't work from there |
| 09:07.52 | roxy_ | Blissex: do you mean as easy as installing deb using apt-get ? |
| 09:07.53 | muhoo | Blissex: i am no guru. i'm merely trying to update a package. |
| 09:08.00 | dutchfish | roxy_, then debootstrap is your friend as stew told you |
| 09:08.43 | Blissex | roxy_: you can install DSL to the hard disk, or else as <dutchfish> says install Debian via 'deboostrap'. |
| 09:08.44 | AndyMcGee | So if i do for f in $(find -name "*.mp3"); do md5sum $f; done this does not work for filenames with spaces... |
| 09:09.09 | Blissex | AndyMcGee: this is a very FAQ. most shell tutorials have discussion of that case. |
| 09:09.18 | AndyMcGee | Sorry |
| 09:09.24 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
| 09:09.30 | Blissex | AndyMcGee: 'man xargs' may help :-) |
| 09:09.51 | stew | AndyMcGee: do find -name "*.mp3" | while read f ; do md5sum $f; done |
| 09:10.05 | NetNiet_ | AndyMcGee: try to put the $f in quotes |
| 09:10.33 | stew | AndyMcGee: (which will work unless there are hard returns in the filenames, in which case you need find -print0 | xargs -0) |
| 09:10.52 | stew | NetNiet_: no, the for loop will not do what he wants with spaces |
| 09:11.10 | dutchfish | i have q too: how can i read out the kernels curent timeslice (tainted xen kernel), is it somewhere in the /proc system? |
| 09:11.31 | xand | find -exec |
| 09:11.43 | mcdover | will vpn and virtual websites work well together? |
| 09:12.04 | xand | mcdover: eh? |
| 09:12.27 | mcdover | xand: don't understand my question? |
| 09:12.34 | xand | it doesn't make sense |
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| 09:12.54 | dutchfish | mcdover, it will work but dont expect nice bandwith & low latency |
| 09:13.43 | mcdover | dutchfish: first make it work, then worry about making it work fast. |
| 09:13.46 | dutchfish | mcdover, you will gain better results with iptables & netfilter is security is THE issue |
| 09:14.35 | dutchfish | mcdover, both methods are not for the faint of heart |
| 09:15.38 | dutchfish | mcdover, if you will use windows client are surely would not go the vpn (openswan) way |
| 09:17.26 | dutchfish | mcdover, you should delf into conntrack, thats the best way in my opinion |
| 09:18.05 | mcdover | dutchfish: i am using linux and openvpn. right now, i have got a client-server working. want to try out mutliple websites, using apache2. will work on this first, before trying other means. thks for all the info. |
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| 09:19.38 | mcdover | for those interested, i have a site at http://wlaoye.no-ip.biz |
| 09:19.59 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
| 09:20.12 | mcdover | bye |
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| 09:22.16 | moi1392 | hello, I have a problem with madwifi and hostap in etch, are they known issue ? |
| 09:22.30 | jatt | !bts |
| 09:22.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 09:30.18 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:30.18 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 09:30.42 | xand | mmkay... |
| 09:31.05 | liable | yeah, tis a funny one |
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| 09:37.31 | mike1o | !amd64 |
| 09:37.31 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 09:45.49 | mike1o | ive installed sid with debootstrap, should I have installed etch instead? how do I install & run apps with schroot? |
| 09:48.36 | wols | qif sid runs now it's all ok. but using etch had been easier I guess |
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| 09:50.55 | mike1o | wols, should I just delete /var/chroot/sid-ia32 and debootstrap etch? |
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| 09:52.50 | concept10 | ah.. yes, I have just rescued my Cobalt RaQ2 with sarge, finally |
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| 09:53.45 | rikva | I have a very slow (originally thinclient) computer with 2 soundcards, one onboard and a PCI one. How can I choose which one I want to use? (I can't disable the onboard one in the BIOS) |
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| 09:55.04 | concept10 | !etch |
| 09:55.05 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 09:56.56 | wols | mike1o: why are you hung up on debootstrap? |
| 09:57.52 | sakal | hello, is an any one who installed latest 1.0-9775 driver on nVidia GF 5200 in etch? |
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| 09:59.20 | mike1o | wols, I have an amd64 kernel but i would like create an i386 alternate root... I want to redo the whole thing with etch instead of sid... but I dont know whether I should just remove the directory |
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| 10:00.38 | mike1o | sakal, I have installed it for a GeForce 6200 |
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| 10:02.01 | moi1392 | hello, hostapd+madwifi fail for me in etch, should I report the bug RC or grave ? |
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| 10:02.52 | sakal | hmmm, and have you troubles when istalled it? in X.Org.log I got messga, that can't find speedso, I'm excude it from xorg.conf. But nvidia driver crash when loaded |
| 10:03.21 | liable | moi1392: how do they fail? |
| 10:03.21 | sakal | * excluded it |
| 10:03.37 | mike1o | sakal, did u execute the .run file from nvidia.com ? |
| 10:03.39 | moi1392 | liable: Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapdioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Invalid argument |
| 10:03.46 | sakal | yeap |
| 10:04.04 | liable | moi1392: i get that too, but it still works. is hostapd running? |
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| 10:04.26 | moi1392 | liable: no, it didn't start |
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| 10:04.50 | mike1o | sakal, do u have any other drivers installed? |
| 10:04.56 | liable | moi1392: are you following the docs at madwifi.org? |
| 10:05.03 | moi1392 | liable: wait, I past all messages in pastebin |
| 10:06.03 | liable | moi1392: sorry, going to pub |
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| 10:06.40 | moi1392 | liable: which madwifi doc ? here the error : http://rafb.net/p/g9bLcK17.html |
| 10:06.42 | sakal | mike1o: I'm install linux-source-2.6.16.deb from reposetory, compiled, reboot, run installer from nVidia with --kernel-source-path & --kernel-ouput-path, got a message, that can't find precompiled files |
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| 10:07.33 | mike1o | sakal, u have to install the headers |
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| 10:07.56 | sakal | linux-headers-2.6.18? |
| 10:08.14 | mike1o | yup |
| 10:08.21 | mike1o | uname -r to double check |
| 10:09.01 | mike1o | sakal and also the package "build-essential" |
| 10:09.28 | wols | mike1o: depends does any place (like your new chroot) use /var/lib/ia32 as a /lib or /usr/lib directory? |
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| 10:09.42 | sakal | i have headers, and now looking about build-essential |
| 10:09.48 | wols | if yes: no you can't remove it. if it doesn't: you can remove |
| 10:10.11 | wols | sakal: your exact headers |
| 10:10.24 | mike1o | wols, now bindings just removed it |
| 10:10.33 | mike1o | *now = no |
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| 10:15.41 | mike1o | wols, now to debootstrap the etch testing version..? |
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| 10:16.22 | wols | why if sid is already uinstalle/running? |
| 10:17.05 | mike1o | sid is removed... |
| 10:18.13 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 10:18.39 | Harzilein | i wnt to fix an old debian install which got unusable when there was a glibc bug always reporting the disk as full |
| 10:19.16 | Harzilein | i have gotten myself a static busybox |
| 10:19.16 | Harzilein | what else do i need to get apt running again? |
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| 10:31.41 | Harzilein | dpkg: version |
| 10:31.41 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 10:32.08 | wols | Harzilein: knowledge. how should we know how you mutilated your debian? |
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| 10:33.52 | Harzilein | wols: _i_ did not mutilate it, it is one of those many instances of "upgrading results in bricked system" |
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| 10:34.02 | xand | obviously that's relevant |
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| 10:34.29 | Fox_1_ | hi people |
| 10:35.10 | Bladerunner05 | Hola, I've installed debian-adm64 (the latest iso) all seems to work fine (in the messages I notice: SATA abnormal status) the problem is that if I run find / -print after some line the computer freeze without error track or messages. I'm using it on compaq presario f500 |
| 10:35.22 | Harzilein | i thought there'd be a howto for that kind of situation, as it has happened quite a few times in testing over the years |
| 10:35.29 | Fox_1_ | i have a problem with etch installation |
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| 10:36.27 | numan | i am having login problem with xscreensaver |
| 10:36.27 | ktwilight_ | Fox_1_, which is...? |
| 10:36.29 | Fox_1_ | i boot by cdrom, but after that in step "Detect CD-Rom" it write that no any common cdrom founded |
| 10:36.49 | ktwilight_ | fun |
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| 10:36.59 | numan | !xscreensaver |
| 10:36.59 | dpkg | hmm... xscreensaver is at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ |
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| 10:37.12 | Bladerunner05 | <Harzilein>: you answered me ? |
| 10:37.29 | Fox_1_ | i have tried to load cdrom drivers from floppy but nothink |
| 10:37.33 | Fox_1_ | any suggestions? |
| 10:37.33 | Harzilein | Bladerunner05: no |
| 10:38.16 | wols | Harzilein: copy working libc6 .so's to replace the bugged ones. that's it |
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| 10:38.51 | wols | !tell Fox_1_ about kmuto |
| 10:39.01 | Fox_1_ | my cdrom device is Pioneer DVD-RW |
| 10:39.24 | wols | Fox_1_: has nothing to do at all with your drive |
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| 10:39.42 | xand | Fox_1_: what machine is it? |
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| 10:40.00 | wols | Harzilein: but of course that's only guesswork since you didn't even give a werror description worth a damn |
| 10:40.09 | joeyjones | enouf: lol i've always been here |
| 10:40.12 | Fox_1_ | intel duo |
| 10:40.14 | xand | wols: he said he's using etch... that factoid is for sarge |
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| 10:40.31 | wols | xand: kmuto has 2.6.20 kernels. do you know any etch installers with that? |
| 10:41.11 | xand | it's still the wrong version of debian :P |
| 10:41.21 | wols | that's BS and you know it |
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| 10:41.35 | wols | he has a kernel problem on install. so how do you propose to solve it? |
| 10:41.36 | Fox_1_ | wols: yes i want to install etch no sarge |
| 10:41.56 | wols | Fox_1_: after you installed sarge you can upgrade to etch easily |
| 10:42.07 | wols | as right now you cannot install etch. take your pick |
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| 10:42.31 | Fox_1_ | wols: how? and can i upgrade from cdrom? |
| 10:42.43 | wols | !tell Fox_1_ about sarge->etch |
| 10:42.53 | Fox_1_ | wols: aaaa just typping apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:43.06 | wols | why wozuld you want to upgrade via cdrom /but yes it would be possible) |
| 10:43.15 | wols | Fox_1_: NO |
| 10:43.21 | wols | read. then think. |
| 10:44.52 | Fox_1_ | wols: what link? |
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| 10:45.52 | Fox_1_ | wols: a you mean "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"? |
| 10:46.21 | Coweater | Fox_1_: dpkg should've msged you with the reading |
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| 10:46.35 | RichiH | figures, the one time apt-listbugs does not work and i bypass it, there is an error in some python module |
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| 10:48.29 | Fox_1_ | people how to do this step "change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'"? |
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| 10:48.50 | Fox_1_ | just replace sarge to etch? |
| 10:49.44 | Fox_1_ | but i don't want to upgrade from network. what about that? |
| 10:50.37 | Fox_1_ | ok i'll try |
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| 10:56.40 | Fox_1_ | people the same problem with sarge |
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| 10:57.43 | xand | Fox_1_: using the kmuto installer? |
| 10:58.00 | Fox_1_ | xand: it's cd iso? |
| 10:58.11 | Fox_1_ | or floppy? |
| 10:58.50 | xand | http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.20/sarge-custom-0304.iso |
| 10:58.59 | xand | iso |
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| 11:00.12 | numan | my keyboard is not working after dist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 11:01.00 | Tallu | numan: uh, you just started using linux yesterday didn't you? why did you dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:01.59 | Fox_1_ | no i can't download 100mb from here |
| 11:02.10 | numan | tallu: they ask me to use etch instead of sarge |
| 11:02.22 | Fox_1_ | i need anythink with small size |
| 11:02.29 | Fox_1_ | anythink=somethink |
| 11:02.51 | Adrian | Fox_1_: no, something |
| 11:02.59 | Fox_1_ | yes :) |
| 11:03.01 | numan | tallu: now how to solve it? |
| 11:03.03 | Adrian | :) |
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| 11:03.37 | Fox_1_ | Adrian: thanks |
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| 11:04.19 | massaki | hello, is possible to set my apache browseable(copy directories) to the viewers ? |
| 11:05.00 | numan | my keyboard dont work at all even in recovry mode |
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| 11:05.35 | enouf | numan: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 11:05.37 | numan | i am using usb keyboard |
| 11:05.47 | enouf | !testing borks |
| 11:05.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing borks is [06 Jan 2007] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today , see "Current Issues" section for a known Xorg issue when installing Etch (or doing a sarge->etch dist-upgrade) .. If for some reason the steps outlined there; 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all' aren't fully fixing it; also then try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd' |
| 11:05.55 | enouf | it's an older issue though |
| 11:05.59 | enouf | AFAICT |
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| 11:07.33 | numan | enouf: what this link for do you mean i have to reinstall my debian |
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| 11:08.52 | numan | i am not able to use my keyboard at all? |
| 11:09.05 | Fox_1_ | ok, one other question. at home i have amd64. after installation (64bit version) it detect my network card (onboard network, nvidia 1000mbite) but after rebooting. i can't use it. after installation i can ping to my gateway, but after rebooting it's write or "destination host unreachable" or nothing. any suggestions? |
| 11:09.34 | enouf | numan: no .. not at all |
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| 11:10.10 | enouf | numan: can't you use a ps/2 style one temp? |
| 11:10.25 | foxy-om_ | I'm getting "-su: ./testme: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" on a script file |#!/bin/sh \n\n echo "Hello, world!"|, I don't know what package this refers to so I don't know how to proceed in reporting a bug (using testing) |
| 11:12.29 | enouf | forcedeth driver issue? .. don't know too much about it though |
| 11:12.48 | cahoot | foxy-om_: made it executable? |
| 11:12.53 | enouf | foxy-om_: are you trying to compile something? |
| 11:12.56 | foxy-om_ | yup |
| 11:13.29 | foxy-om_ | no, I noticed this behaviour with an autoconf generated configure file and reduced the problem to the aforementioned shell script |
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| 11:14.17 | numan | anybody plz reply me |
| 11:14.17 | enouf | what shell script? |
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| 11:14.42 | enouf | numan: are you capable of answering questions? |
| 11:14.43 | force | how do i completely reinstall an application including replacing configuration files? |
| 11:14.51 | foxy-om_ | enouf |#!/bin/sh \n\n echo "Hello, World!"| |
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| 11:16.05 | enouf | force: prolly using --reinstall install or similar, or /msg dpkg confmiss, ...er depends .. whats there now? |
| 11:16.22 | enouf | force: soem default configs are in /etc/default/* |
| 11:16.32 | numan | help help |
| 11:16.37 | enouf | bash has it own in /etc somwhere |
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| 11:17.12 | numan | enouf: plz reply |
| 11:17.32 | enouf | foxy-om_: where'd this autoconf come from? |
| 11:17.46 | enouf | !comfort numan |
| 11:17.47 | dpkg | There, there, numan. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:17.49 | force | ta |
| 11:18.06 | numan | enouf: cant use even ps/2 keyboard |
| 11:18.14 | foxy-om_ | enouf: a debian package, but the problem happens with the shell script above, nothing to do with autoconf |
| 11:18.19 | enouf | numan: do you have a ps/2 keyboard> |
| 11:18.22 | wols | force: put forcedeth in your /etc/modules I'd say |
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| 11:18.46 | enouf | numan: fire up synaptic then maybe .. or kpackage manager .. you can use just the mouse with those |
| 11:19.10 | numan | enouf: i used the usb keyboard with ps/2 adapter not real ps/2 keybord |
| 11:19.31 | wols | numan: does your keyboard work inside BIOS settings? |
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| 11:20.20 | numan | enouf: yes i have a ps/2 keyboard |
| 11:20.52 | enouf | numan: well unhook your usb adapter crud and reboot using the ps/2 port |
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| 11:21.03 | Tmob | anyone can help me with openvpn + bridging setup? |
| 11:21.12 | enouf | numan: shutdown then alter then boot |
| 11:21.13 | wols | !tell Tmob about ask |
| 11:21.23 | Tmob | wols, i have setup openvpn as per http://www.thebakershome.net/?q=node/56 |
| 11:21.29 | enouf | morn' wols ;-) |
| 11:21.42 | enouf | er afternoon i guess |
| 11:21.43 | Tmob | and if i run their bridge script i dont get a dhcp ip anymore |
| 11:21.57 | Tmob | i'm trying to have this setup: |
| 11:22.06 | enouf | foxy-om_: I don't know .. i'd only be guessing |
| 11:22.15 | foxy-om_ | ok, thanks |
| 11:22.24 | Tmob | home computer A and another computer B are both on internet. B is firewalled and only has http proxy access, so i want to make it connect thru vpn on A to the wider internet |
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| 11:22.41 | Tmob | so i am planning to run openvpn on port 8080 and httptunnel from B into A |
| 11:22.49 | wols | Tmob: why a VPN? |
| 11:22.57 | Tmob | wols, i dunno. is there a better way? |
| 11:23.07 | wols | ah. VPN across the internet. not on the same site those two PCs |
| 11:23.23 | Tmob | hmm.. one server is at home.. the other is at my work |
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| 11:23.47 | wols | no ti sounds prefectly alright |
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| 11:23.50 | Tmob | i want to get full internet access for one of my apps there so i want to connect to my home |
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| 11:23.59 | wols | but since I never ever used a VPN I probably can't help you. maybe someone else in here |
| 11:24.20 | wols | tho for a quick+dirty solution there is always ssh portforwarding |
| 11:24.25 | js_ | how can i extract a cpio archive so i get files and not only directories? |
| 11:24.40 | Tmob | wols, oh ok.. i tried a couple of things actually.. the app is a windows one, so i used sockscap and putty's socks proxy via http proxy..but sockscaps isn't doing a good job intercepting all the network calls of that app |
| 11:25.04 | Tmob | then i tried port forwarding for the servers/ports that app talks to, but they do internal load balancing and return a different ip once in a while to reconnect |
| 11:25.04 | enouf | js_: http://www.gnu.org/software/cpio/manual/html_mono/cpio.html |
| 11:25.13 | Tmob | so now my only choice is vpn i think.. |
| 11:25.23 | Tmob | i'm not too familiar with all this.. just thought that might work |
| 11:25.53 | wols | Tmob: no. you use port forwarding via ssh to your home machine and access that site or whatever from there via your ssh port forward |
| 11:26.13 | wols | but a VPNis the most concompassing solution yes |
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| 11:26.28 | Tmob | wols, except i can't do that because i dont know what the "load balance IP" will be changed to |
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| 11:27.46 | enouf | js_: from there "Extracting an archive requires a bit more thought because cpio will not create directories by default." |
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| 11:28.50 | Tmob | wols, do you know who might know more or any better channel to ask around? its probably well known to sysadmoins |
| 11:28.52 | js_ | enouf: it creates directories, but only that, and no files |
| 11:29.04 | enouf | js_: you're doing it wrong |
| 11:29.24 | enouf | js_: unless your archive sucks ass perhaps |
| 11:29.29 | numan | wols: i got my keyboard working with ps/2 but still video problem due to which cant start xserver |
| 11:29.45 | js_ | enouf: cpio -ivd < archive is what i do |
| 11:29.47 | numan | enouf: i get ps/2 keyboard its working now |
| 11:29.52 | enouf | !tell numan about testing borks |
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| 11:30.15 | enouf | js_: remove the d |
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| 11:31.08 | js_ | enouf: its the same |
| 11:31.25 | redduck666 | i have sda and sdb equally partitioned. is it possible to say to mdadm ''here is sda, make raid1 on sda + sdb so raid device has the same data as sda''? |
| 11:31.36 | enouf | js_: again .. either the archive sucks or you need to reread the man pages / URL i posted .. it works great here |
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| 11:32.38 | enouf | redduck666: that's all in the dmraid, dmsetup, mdadm docs |
| 11:32.39 | js_ | enouf: perhaps the file is more than a cpio archive or something.. its an initrd image |
| 11:32.51 | enouf | js_: which one? |
| 11:33.12 | enouf | js_: what's file -s filename.img-xxx say |
| 11:33.26 | js_ | ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) |
| 11:33.48 | enouf | hrm .. that's correct .. now .. which one is it? .. where'd you get it? |
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| 11:34.14 | js_ | well.. uhm... its actually from a gentoo install cd :) |
| 11:34.21 | redduck666 | enouf: i can't find it in mdadm man page, will check the other two. thanks |
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| 11:35.15 | enouf | redduck666: locate mdadm or just <keyword> look in /usr/share/doc/* |
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| 11:35.46 | enouf | js_: go ask #gentoo then |
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| 11:35.59 | enouf | !be areading barbie |
| 11:35.59 | dpkg | areading is hard! |
| 11:36.04 | enouf | heh |
| 11:36.07 | js_ | enouf: yeah, but theyre generally not as good as the people in here |
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| 11:36.42 | enouf | js_: the Mercedes benz dealership also treats ppl nicer than a GM one, but where to take my Chevy? |
| 11:38.13 | js_ | enouf: yeah, but right now i dont have a chevy, only metal parts, some of which both use in their cars :O |
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| 11:38.21 | enouf | js_: and WTF does "not as good" mean anyways?? |
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| 11:39.15 | enouf | js_: it was an analogy only .. knock you 3rd party proprietary vendors instead |
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| 11:41.51 | Deybiyan | I'm looking for a beginners source-based debian distro. Got to start somewhere :) |
| 11:42.03 | EmleyMoor | Is it possible to install MS Office 2K on the version of wine in etch? |
| 11:42.56 | hark | check the appdb at winehq.org |
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| 11:43.03 | HostilePenguin | with my nfs machine i see my /home/username folder but i want to go to /var or /etc |
| 11:43.08 | Coweater | Deybiyan: start with why you don't need or want to compile everything yourself |
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| 11:43.15 | jelly-home | Deybiyan: *BSD ? ;-) |
| 11:43.22 | Deybiyan | :) |
| 11:43.25 | abrotman | they have binary packages too |
| 11:43.50 | abrotman | Deybiyan: there isn't a source-based debian distro that i've seen .. it wouldn't make any sense really |
| 11:43.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: she asked for a source based distro though |
| 11:43.54 | Deybiyan | Coweater: I got no bugs or crashed on etch, that's boring. i need to keep myself bussy :P |
| 11:43.57 | wols | Deybiyan: debian distros aren't source based |
| 11:44.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: source based debianbased |
| 11:44.07 | Deybiyan | hmm ok wols |
| 11:44.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: wtf |
| 11:44.16 | Coweater | Deybiyan: go use unstable and add experimental as a source |
| 11:44.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: don't ask me |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | Coweater: don't do that |
| 11:44.28 | wols | Deybiyan: you either want gentoo based or LFS |
| 11:44.31 | Coweater | he seemed to want crashes |
| 11:44.33 | Deybiyan | ok tnx Coweater |
| 11:44.50 | abrotman | Coweater: it doesn't matter .. if they don't know how .. don't tell them |
| 11:45.09 | wols | Coweater: what you just did gives debian a bad name |
| 11:45.35 | jelly-home | nope, arrogant pricks on this channel give debian a bad name |
| 11:45.49 | abrotman | we're not arrogant .. you weenie |
| 11:46.02 | wols | jelly-home: that only gives #debian a bad name, not Debian |
| 11:46.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: I didn't name anyone! |
| 11:46.09 | Deybiyan | wow, no more questions... i feel guilty about this :( |
| 11:46.11 | HostilePenguin | feeling guilty? |
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| 11:46.46 | abrotman | it might be jelly ... can't tell |
| 11:46.48 | wols | but a crashing Debian install with newbies gives Debian a bad name since that guy will tell his friends "don't use debian, it always crashed for me and never worked" |
| 11:46.52 | HostilePenguin | wow |
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| 11:47.21 | jelly-home | wols: um, you think a random user would know the difference between #debian and Debian? |
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| 11:47.26 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 11:48.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: i've seen numerous comments to the effect of (years ago) "Debian is great but #debian is full of assholes" |
| 11:48.25 | numan | enouf: when i type this "apt-get install xs get this errorerver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all' i get this error could not find package ........ |
| 11:48.45 | Coweater | that's probably due to being strict and having bots talk for us |
| 11:48.47 | abrotman | i'm not sure if we got better or i just stopped reading comments :) |
| 11:49.46 | HostilePenguin | if some one uses a distro because the people are "nice" thats retarded just as not using one because they are "assholes" |
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| 11:50.19 | wols | abrotman: I still see them today |
| 11:50.31 | numan | wols: can you help me plz |
| 11:50.31 | abrotman | me dying? |
| 11:50.46 | numan | uname -r |
| 11:50.52 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: people have worse reasons for picking software :) |
| 11:50.56 | wols | no the asshole comments. but go on dying if you like. could be an interesting diversion |
| 11:51.07 | valdyn | abrotman: people of random distros obviously come here because there's no better irc help channel , so uh |
| 11:51.08 | enouf | numan: as root .. |
| 11:51.14 | HostilePenguin | you use what you can |
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| 11:51.31 | enouf | numan: or just sudo apt-get -s install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 11:51.37 | abrotman | valdyn: yeah .. i know of a few people that come here for Fedora help and phrase it in debian terms |
| 11:51.42 | wols | valdyn: no. we know our technical shit, or at least have a rep for it. unfortunately we also have asshole personalities apparently :) |
| 11:51.51 | HostilePenguin | i come in here to laugh at this stuff and then leave to learn anything |
| 11:52.25 | valdyn | wols: yea, well, i this is quite ambivalent, as the best supporter ( imo ) of this channel was banned for rudeness |
| 11:52.32 | numan | abrotman: you back again |
| 11:52.39 | abrotman | you are too! |
| 11:52.43 | abrotman | numan: everything working ? |
| 11:52.59 | wols | valdyn: you don't mean mwilson? |
| 11:53.04 | numan | abrotman: get into problem by dist-upgrade |
| 11:53.09 | abrotman | i assume he means greycat |
| 11:53.11 | valdyn | wols: no, he was more rude than helpful |
| 11:53.19 | wols | greycat was rude? |
| 11:53.20 | wols | can't be |
| 11:53.24 | abrotman | numan: we told you to install fresh! |
| 11:53.26 | valdyn | wols: hah |
| 11:53.42 | wols | usually when he was the id10ts deserved it |
| 11:54.01 | numan | abrotman: you mean fresh install over the current installation |
| 11:54.18 | HostilePenguin | here it comes |
| 11:54.52 | abrotman | numan: uh yeah |
| 11:54.52 | wols | abrotman: he incapable of editing his sources.list for etch or why did you tell him that? |
| 11:55.12 | numan | abrotman: now i got fresh kernel 2.6.8-3-686 and also etch instead og sarge/stable |
| 11:55.16 | abrotman | i told him he was incapable ? |
| 11:55.23 | abrotman | you don't have etch if you have that kernel |
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| 11:55.30 | valdyn | numan: that kernel is not bad, but you should use an etch kernel |
| 11:55.31 | wols | no. I ask why you told him to reinstall instead of upgrade |
| 11:55.35 | abrotman | what the hell is broken ? |
| 11:55.39 | HostilePenguin | 2.18 you mean? |
| 11:55.46 | wols | the sources.list thing was the first reason possible that popped into my little peabrain |
| 11:55.50 | abrotman | wols: ah ... it was obviously easier :) |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | wols: it was also a fresh install |
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| 11:56.03 | wols | so he is incapable after all :) |
| 11:56.27 | astecp | from a diff.gz, a dsc and an orig.tar.gz, what's the easiest way to build a .deb? |
| 11:56.39 | valdyn | astecp: dpkg-source -x file.dsc |
| 11:56.43 | HostilePenguin | abrotman you got warsow? |
| 11:56.54 | HostilePenguin | love to play you |
| 11:56.59 | numan | what you guys arguing? |
| 11:57.03 | abrotman | no .. and i never will until they stop being tards |
| 11:57.15 | valdyn | astecp: that command was to create the debian source tree. Next step is to cd <dir> and run 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage' |
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| 11:57.21 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: aren't they the ones that require 2.4 ? |
| 11:57.30 | numan | valdyn: how to get etch kernel? |
| 11:58.10 | valdyn | numan: what's your cpu? |
| 11:58.18 | [M]Fox | Hi folks, i've been installed debian, and it didn't ask me for root's passwd. and now i can't login via root! what can i do now !? |
| 11:58.43 | streuner | dpkg, i forgot root's passwort |
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| 11:58.47 | HostilePenguin | numan just use the google and you find a million hits on upgrading from sarge to etch |
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| 11:59.00 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 11:59.01 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 11:59.08 | abrotman | numan: what's your CPU ? |
| 11:59.15 | wols | [M]Fox: you can boot in single user mode and reset it. init=/bin/sh |
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| 11:59.47 | numan | now i am at root directory in tyext mode not graphical one so what should i do now to solve my problem=the xserver failed to start(your graphical interface) |
| 11:59.48 | HostilePenguin | why do you care what his cpu is? |
| 11:59.55 | [M]Fox | tnx wols ;-) |
| 11:59.59 | abrotman | numan: what's your CPU ? |
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| 12:00.02 | valdyn | numan: solve one problem at a time, what is your CPU? |
| 12:00.03 | wols | !tell numan about drxx |
| 12:00.13 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: it matters ? |
| 12:00.16 | wols | valdyn: good luck btw |
| 12:00.39 | ChaosR | what would be the best command to reinstall/reload grub, when windows breaks your master boot section? |
| 12:00.47 | abrotman | grub-install |
| 12:01.06 | ChaosR | now, why didn't i remember that one :/ |
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| 12:01.29 | h3sp4wn | the grub> prompt is no more difficult |
| 12:01.32 | valdyn | ChaosR: 1) boot a livecd 2) mount your debian /, 3) chroot to your debian / 4) run grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 12:01.37 | wols | getting to a linux prompt wher you can use grub-install could be a bit hard however |
| 12:01.50 | abrotman | he didn't say he didn't have one |
| 12:02.03 | ChaosR | valdyn: I am already on debian ;) |
| 12:02.09 | wols | h3sp4wn: after windows is installed ther eis no grub> prompt anymore |
| 12:02.10 | Ash-Fox | The hardest thing with setting up new servers, is comming up with a unique name |
| 12:02.14 | valdyn | ChaosR: you can skip to 4) then |
| 12:02.43 | numan | how to edit my cofig file in modules to use the usb keyboard/mouse |
| 12:02.49 | abrotman | numan: STOP |
| 12:03.04 | numan | abrotman: can you explain it? |
| 12:03.05 | HostilePenguin | hehehehe |
| 12:03.08 | valdyn | numan: dont ask questions after the other, ignoring our answers |
| 12:03.11 | abrotman | numan: WHAT IS YOUR CPU? |
| 12:03.16 | streuner | ChaosR: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 12:03.22 | h3sp4wn | wols: there is grub still exists it just has no mbr |
| 12:03.31 | valdyn | numan: since if you dont care about answers, you better dont even ask |
| 12:03.44 | HostilePenguin | man just cut the cord before he pulls you all down the mountain |
| 12:03.44 | ChaosR | streuner, if I had access to a decent browser, that would be helpfull :P |
| 12:03.54 | HostilePenguin | this is why you are all so angry |
| 12:03.56 | abrotman | numan: if you don't start answering my questions .. i'm going to stop answering yours .. got it ? |
| 12:04.02 | streuner | ChaosR: what are you running atm? |
| 12:04.05 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: piss off |
| 12:04.16 | Ash-Fox | HostilePenguin, we were beaten as children, this is why we are angry. Now go post that to /b/ or something. |
| 12:04.34 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: you're mistaking straightforwardness for emotions |
| 12:04.39 | ChaosR | streuner: 1. I already fixed it, 2. cli, and yes, I know there are cli browsers |
| 12:04.47 | streuner | ok |
| 12:05.12 | abrotman | numan: what is your cpu ? |
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| 12:06.04 | Moorenkopf | hi. I've set my system to use de_DE@euro for I want to use german characters in the irc. But now most of my apps are using german as the default language. Is there a way through? |
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| 12:06.37 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: are you using a specific desktop environment? |
| 12:06.45 | numan | nobody answering? |
| 12:06.49 | Moorenkopf | valdyn: kde |
| 12:06.50 | HostilePenguin | hahahahha |
| 12:06.57 | streuner | Moorenkopf: http://channel.debian.de/faq/ |
| 12:07.00 | valdyn | numan: what's your fucking CPU? |
| 12:07.07 | Deybiyan | puhahhaa |
| 12:07.09 | abrotman | numan: what is your cpu ? |
| 12:07.11 | numan | valdyn: u three? |
| 12:07.17 | Moorenkopf | valdyn: but I want apt to speak english as well |
| 12:07.19 | Deybiyan | numan: what is your cpu ? |
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| 12:07.41 | HostilePenguin | yeah you guys Rock |
| 12:07.42 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: you should use an english utf-8 locale and only fix the keyboard layout |
| 12:07.49 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: if you don't like it .. leave |
| 12:07.58 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: gnome has a neat applet for this, i dont know kde, i bet it has a way too |
| 12:08.02 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: you're not being any help either |
| 12:08.30 | HostilePenguin | im at a loss for words |
| 12:08.39 | HostilePenguin | how can you help? |
| 12:08.49 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: you're environment is supposed to be all english _except_ for the keyboard layout, that's right |
| 12:08.52 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: you're environment is supposed to be all english _except_ for the keyboard layout, that's right? |
| 12:09.00 | Moorenkopf | valdyn: yes |
| 12:09.04 | HostilePenguin | he could put it in a box and send it to you over and over and over |
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| 12:09.09 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: that's hte point .. we can't help him unless he answers our questions |
| 12:09.30 | Moorenkopf | valdyn: and I need german umlauts (öäü) |
| 12:09.49 | streuner | Moorenkopf: so what's the problem to read the section in the FAQ? |
| 12:09.53 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: utf-8 includes those umlauts, no matter which utf-8 locale you use |
| 12:10.12 | Moorenkopf | streuner: which? |
| 12:10.22 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: switch to an english utf-8 locale , run kcontrol and adjust your keyboard layout |
| 12:10.38 | HostilePenguin | thats what makes debian look bad is people that seem pretty smart tell everyone how hard they worked to get debian and never got it to work :( |
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| 12:10.43 | streuner | Moorenkopf: http://channel.debian.de/faq/ |
| 12:10.49 | enouf | [08:04:28] <numan> nobody answering? <--- that right there is some funny shit man ;-) |
| 12:10.52 | Moorenkopf | streuner: yes, which topic |
| 12:10.57 | numan | my cpu=intel p4 2.8 Ghz |
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| 12:11.18 | valdyn | numan: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:11.42 | xand | Hi ducks |
| 12:11.51 | streuner | Moorenkopf: well, some apps support to use *ANY* language you want |
| 12:11.57 | numan | valdyn: i also have this one installed 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 12:12.04 | valdyn | numan: i know. |
| 12:12.07 | HostilePenguin | hahahhahahhahahah |
| 12:12.20 | Moorenkopf | thanks. I'll try utf |
| 12:12.26 | valdyn | numan: after you installed that new kernel, reboot to that kernel. Then you can come back ask more questions |
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| 12:13.03 | streuner | Moorenk: if you don't need UTF-8, just don't use it |
| 12:13.17 | streuner | hm, too late |
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| 12:32.14 | abrotman | qcad doesn't do it ? |
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| 12:32.32 | numan | abrotman: it ask me to upgrade the following packages: mozilla-browser [2:1.7.8-1sarge10 (now) -> 2:1.8+1.0.8-4 (testing, testing, testing)] score is 60 accept this solution? |
| 12:32.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:33.15 | valdyn | numan: if there's a score, then its 'forced' to remove packages, that's what you should probably look at |
| 12:33.37 | hark | varkon? |
| 12:34.13 | numan | valdyn: ??? |
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| 12:35.39 | numan | abrotman: debconf: unable to intialize frontend : Gnome |
| 12:35.53 | abrotman | i have no idea why you'd have picked gnome |
| 12:36.14 | numan | abrotman: its removing everything |
| 12:36.23 | valdyn | numan: nonsense |
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| 12:37.07 | valdyn | numan: let aptitude finish, then you can (re)install whatever |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | wols: now you see ? |
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| 12:40.45 | numan | abrotman: it ask me to configure iceap file with options keep current install the mainteners package show the difference between versions background this process to examine the situation |
| 12:41.14 | valdyn | numan: install the package maintainers version |
| 12:41.33 | valdyn | numan: do that generally, unless you know that you adjusted something in the config file |
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| 12:41.49 | jsn | Is it just me, or does lynx have a problem with http://people.debian.org? |
| 12:41.54 | numan | valdyn:valdyn: ok |
| 12:42.14 | numan | valdyn: its finished |
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| 12:42.34 | valdyn | numan: nice, no on to your next thing, whatever it is... |
| 12:42.57 | valdyn | numan: nice, now on to your next thing, whatever it is... |
| 12:43.13 | numan | valdyn: how to get into the graphical interface? |
| 12:43.47 | valdyn | numan: didn't you already have a graphical interface? |
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| 12:44.07 | numan | valdyn: i am at text mode no gdm |
| 12:45.02 | valdyn | numan: 'aptitude install xorg gnome gdm' |
| 12:45.10 | numan | valdyn: it gave me this error after rebbot "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface) . it is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would youy like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem" |
| 12:45.30 | valdyn | numan: ok |
| 12:45.34 | valdyn | !drxx numan |
| 12:45.34 | dpkg | numan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:45.39 | valdyn | numan: ^^^^^ |
| 12:45.46 | dlight | hi, i have a question: in etch, how can i install sun-java5-jdk without also installing libx11-6? i don't see any reason why sun's jdk would depend on X |
| 12:45.50 | numan | valdyn:ok |
| 12:45.59 | valdyn | dlight: it does |
| 12:46.16 | abrotman | dlight: and that's not X .. it's just a library |
| 12:46.19 | dlight | valdyn: that seems weird to me, but ok :) |
| 12:46.29 | xand | ;.; |
| 12:46.48 | dlight | ah, that explains it. thanks |
| 12:47.31 | jsn | Is people.debian.org on some non-standard port? Neither lynx nor lwp-download works for me. |
| 12:47.39 | abrotman | jsn: what doesn't work? |
| 12:47.41 | valdyn | jsn: it isnt |
| 12:47.50 | numan | valdyn: which x server driver should i choose while i have nvidia geforce whcih gave me problems b4 by selecting nv |
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| 12:48.10 | jsn | I can't lynx http://p.d.o/~mpitt/packages/sarge-backports or lwp-download (the same)/filename |
| 12:48.13 | xand | CharminTheMouse |
| 12:48.16 | valdyn | jsn: site works fine in lynx |
| 12:48.36 | jsn | Could you try that url for me? The ~mpitt/p/s-b part? |
| 12:49.01 | abrotman | jsn: have you tried backports.org for those packages ? |
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| 12:49.07 | valdyn | jsn: all that works |
| 12:49.13 | numan | valdyn: waiting for ur reply? |
| 12:49.14 | jsn | valdyn, how odd. |
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| 12:49.26 | abrotman | !ur |
| 12:49.27 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 12:49.28 | valdyn | numan: try nv |
| 12:49.40 | jsn | abrotman, the last update on that site is nine months ago. ~mpitt's directory is much newer than that |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 12:50.15 | abrotman | jsn: maybe they weren't updated in anticipation of etch's release ? |
| 12:51.37 | valdyn | numan: let us know when you're done |
| 12:51.40 | jsn | I did start in with backports, it was going to upgrade a lot of stuff. I always try to avoid libc6 if I can help it |
| 12:51.53 | jsn | s/avoid/avoid upgrading/ |
| 12:52.08 | valdyn | jsn: why not use etch? |
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| 12:53.03 | jsn | etch is testing, right? |
| 12:53.12 | valdyn | jsn: etch's rc bug count was even lower than sarge's last i checked |
| 12:53.15 | valdyn | jsn: yes |
| 12:53.22 | valdyn | jsn: quite near release though |
| 12:53.23 | jsn | I've had a 50+ hour a week job for the last many months. |
| 12:53.38 | jsn | Hmmm. |
| 12:53.43 | jsn | ok |
| 12:54.04 | valdyn | jsn: sarge is certainly better tested, but so close to a new release, might want to rethink that backports hassle.. |
| 12:54.33 | numan | valdyn: i am done |
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| 12:54.46 | valdyn | numan: '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' |
| 12:55.02 | jsn | Is aptitude going to be a better bet for upgrading 518 packages (again) than apt-get ? |
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| 12:55.15 | solar_sea | after etch is released, can I upgrade to it from sarge ? |
| 12:55.16 | valdyn | jsn: differnt, not better |
| 12:55.31 | jsn | valdyn: ok, from woody to sarge, apt-get simply wouldn't hack it. |
| 12:55.44 | valdyn | jsn: yea, indeed |
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| 12:55.59 | numan | valdyn: again failed to start the x server |
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| 12:56.11 | valdyn | jsn: thing is, aptitude does solve more dependencies, but not always the way you want it |
| 12:56.20 | valdyn | jsn: or in fact 'I' want it |
| 12:56.27 | valdyn | numan: show us the error |
| 12:56.54 | numan | valdyn; maybe try vesa b4 it worked for me |
| 12:57.05 | valdyn | numan: yes, that's an alternative |
| 12:58.04 | valdyn | numan: vesa is ok, at some point you will probably want to install the proprietary nvidia drivers, but save that for later |
| 12:58.23 | numan | valdyn: ok |
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| 12:59.30 | abrotman | numan: show us the error |
| 12:59.43 | numan | valdy: which error? |
| 12:59.45 | abrotman | numan: the log is at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:00.03 | valdyn | hes stil ircing from his mac? |
| 13:00.24 | numan | valdyn: permission denied |
| 13:00.34 | asg | !grounding |
| 13:00.35 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 13:00.38 | valdyn | numan: permissions denied to do what? |
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| 13:01.09 | numan | valdyn: to get the xorg log which abrotman mentioned |
| 13:01.10 | rambo3 | numan, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE |
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| 13:01.41 | valdyn | numan: maybe your tried to RUN that file |
| 13:01.49 | valdyn | numan: that would have been silly |
| 13:01.50 | Mark_Iron | HI - just asked in #hardware channel ... didn't get any answer ;-( ... I'm would like to extend my T60ps RAM to 2GB .. just now it is 1GB DDR2 simm insinde - PC2-5300S-555-12 ... could you recommend me some other DDR2 notebook memory for dualchannel use? ... maybe kingston ddr2 667 MHz ? |
| 13:01.59 | darrh00 | I have mixed testing ,unstable and experimental package in my etch,Is there ANY way that I can find which package is from experimental? |
| 13:02.20 | valdyn | Mark_Iron: ask IBM support, they are really nice |
| 13:02.34 | valdyn | Mark_Iron: or why the hell else would you pay a premium for their notebook |
| 13:02.53 | Mark_Iron | thank you valdyn .. they don't work today ;-( |
| 13:03.03 | rambo3 | Mark_Iron, Kingston , its sounds high as jamaica |
| 13:03.04 | darrh00 | valdyn:Lenovo instead of IBM now? |
| 13:03.17 | numan | rambo3: how to get this i type sign b4 grep? |
| 13:03.24 | valdyn | darrh00: that's no difference for support |
| 13:03.24 | Mark_Iron | right darrh00 .. it is lenovo now |
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| 13:04.20 | numan | valdyn: you mentioned about error message? |
| 13:04.21 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: ask google ? |
| 13:04.34 | valdyn | numan: run the command that rambo3 gave you |
| 13:04.34 | rambo3 | numan altgr <> |
| 13:04.45 | valdyn | numan: your irc client must be crap as hell or your reading skills |
| 13:05.17 | numan | valdyn: i am using chatzilla extension for mozilla firefox |
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| 13:05.19 | darrh00 | I have mixed testing ,unstable and experimental packages in my etch installing(Yes I have been warned and there comes some problem),So Is there ANY way that I can tell which package is from experimental? |
| 13:05.35 | valdyn | darrh00: not really |
| 13:05.38 | xand | Mark_Iron: www.crucial.com |
| 13:05.44 | xand | use the memory chooser thing |
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| 13:05.58 | rambo3 | Mark_Iron, Kingston has also good guide on page . |
| 13:06.19 | wookienz | hi, i am getting security ceretificate warnmings when i connect to my deb box, saying that the cert belongs to localhost when i try and connect to "192.168.x.x, any ideas? |
| 13:06.33 | valdyn | wookienz: that's not a problem |
| 13:07.13 | wookienz | it is when i have to cacel the warning everytime my email prgram accesses the server! |
| 13:07.35 | valdyn | wookienz: which ( fucking stupid ) email program is that? |
| 13:07.48 | wookienz | thunderbrid |
| 13:08.02 | valdyn | wookienz: and what is the server? |
| 13:08.04 | numan | valdyn: EE line is Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 13:08.18 | valdyn | !drxx numan |
| 13:08.18 | dpkg | numan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:08.35 | wookienz | valdyn, it is my own deb server on my own LAN |
| 13:08.36 | abrotman | numan: find the real error |
| 13:08.39 | valdyn | numan: you need to enter the PROPER values for screen resolutions and monitor capabilities |
| 13:09.19 | ifireball | wookienz: you're using pop3s/imaps ? |
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| 13:09.53 | valdyn | wookienz: doesnt matter, whats the server program you are connecting to? |
| 13:10.04 | wookienz | courier imap |
| 13:10.27 | ifireball | wookienz: you're trying to use SSL ? |
| 13:10.31 | numan | abrotman: what u mean by real error? |
| 13:10.36 | valdyn | wookienz: ok, i dont know its documentation, try googling as to how to generate a new certificate for courier |
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| 13:11.23 | numan | by typing "lspci" i get the details about hardware everything gets listed fine but nothing in working condition |
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| 13:11.34 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: I've asked allready google |
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| 13:11.44 | wookienz | ifireball, no. valdyn, is the error from the email prgram not liking connecting to "192.168.x.x" but the cert says it is for localhost" only, or something inside courier? |
| 13:11.51 | Mark_Iron | thank you xand and rambo3 ;-) |
| 13:12.23 | numan | no sound no video |
| 13:12.27 | Tallu | Oh wow. I'm in love with LVM. |
| 13:12.28 | valdyn | wookienz: each cert has info for what it is, you need to generate a new one that is for the real name, not for 'localhost' |
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| 13:12.52 | ifireball | wookienz: thunderbird would oly check the certificate if it's trying to use SSL, if you don't need it to use SSL simply configure it to not use it and the warning will go away |
| 13:13.04 | valdyn | wookienz: if your server has no name, that's probably something you have to fix too, no idea if there can be certs for ips |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:13.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:13.10 | aubergine | Hi, how can i test the RAM of my server without booting a memtest or something? |
| 13:13.13 | abrotman | numan: paste 'lspci' there ^^^ |
| 13:13.24 | valdyn | aubergine: compile a kernel |
| 13:13.35 | ifireball | wookienz: otherwise you have to create a proper certificate for your mail server |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | numan: or get an irc client for your linux box and start IRCing from that |
| 13:13.44 | valdyn | aubergine: thats _better_ than memtest, memtest is crap in many situations |
| 13:13.59 | wookienz | ifireball, that fixed it but ssl would be nice |
| 13:14.06 | xand | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5969 why does dmesg show eth0 as one device but ifconfig as another? |
| 13:14.17 | numan | abrotman: the problem is that i am not in the graphical mode how can i ircing ? |
| 13:14.17 | aubergine | ok but its a 2gb server so does this work with compiling? |
| 13:14.24 | abrotman | !ZH |
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| 13:14.25 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 13:14.26 | valdyn | xand: dpkg -l | tail -1 udev |
| 13:15.00 | asg | xand: are you still talking about your sparc? |
| 13:15.04 | xand | yes |
| 13:15.09 | xand | I guess it's been renamed |
| 13:15.10 | xand | hmm |
| 13:15.13 | ifireball | wookienz: like I said, if you want to use SSL you need to have your server properly configure, it needs a proper FQDN and you need to create a proper certificate |
| 13:15.20 | asg | xand: sparc hardware often will flip eth0 / eth1 |
| 13:15.24 | valdyn | xand: see above... |
| 13:15.41 | xand | dmesg has them in the opposite order to ifconfig |
| 13:16.01 | ifireball | wookienz: otherwise thunderbird will always suspect it to be insecure and warn you |
| 13:16.17 | xand | I'm trying to work out which module eth0 is using |
| 13:16.31 | valdyn | xand: dpkg -l | tail -1 udev |
| 13:16.32 | wookienz | ok thanks ifireball |
| 13:16.44 | xand | valdyn: that makes no sense. |
| 13:16.55 | valdyn | xand: no, you might not understand it |
| 13:16.58 | valdyn | xand: RUN it |
| 13:17.02 | xand | no, your command is wrong |
| 13:17.06 | xand | titan:~# dpkg -l | tail -1 udev |
| 13:17.06 | xand | tail: cannot open `udev' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 13:17.07 | valdyn | xand: ops |
| 13:17.13 | numan | abrotman: what i have to paste there? |
| 13:17.14 | valdyn | xand: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 13:17.17 | valdyn | xand: sorry |
| 13:17.27 | xand | I know I have udev |
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| 13:17.50 | xand | I don't get it... dmesg only has eth{0-2}... there are four NICs |
| 13:17.51 | valdyn | xand: look at and/or edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:18.18 | xand | the device that ifconfig calls eth0 isn't in dmesg |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | xand: you could just put solaris on it |
| 13:19.41 | xand | I lie... it is there |
| 13:20.19 | xand | abrotman: no |
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| 13:20.35 | xand | grr. |
| 13:20.41 | abrotman | solaris! |
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| 13:21.39 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 13:21.44 | numan | abrotman: i am in linux now ircing with u |
| 13:21.45 | xand | hmm I see. it finds eth0,1,2, then renames them, then finds eth2 again (different card) |
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| 13:21.56 | abrotman | numan: which IRC client? |
| 13:22.04 | numan | chatzilla |
| 13:22.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:22.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | doesn't chatzilla require X ? |
| 13:22.28 | xand | yes. |
| 13:22.29 | GiabboO | is there anyone skilled with crond ? |
| 13:22.34 | xand | !anyone |
| 13:22.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:22.36 | abrotman | numan: so X is working now ? |
| 13:22.38 | GiabboO | i am receiving tons of emails from cron jobs |
| 13:22.41 | numan | i am not sure its an extension for firefox |
| 13:22.42 | GiabboO | how do I stop this ? |
| 13:22.48 | valdyn | GiabboO: crond? what's that? |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | GiabboO: MAILTO=nobody |
| 13:23.02 | GiabboO | ok |
| 13:23.02 | numan | how to check that X is working |
| 13:23.08 | xand | GiabboO: man crontab |
| 13:23.16 | xand | numan: firefox runs in X... |
| 13:23.20 | xingu | xand: dmesg only reflects what name the device is given when the netdev is first created; if the device is renamed with ip link set name etc then all you get is a netlink message. |
| 13:23.23 | GiabboO | abrotman, and how can I tell this cron can send email, this cron cant send email |
| 13:23.33 | numan | i just typed dpkg-reconfigure gdm and everything sorted out |
| 13:23.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:23.46 | valdyn | GiabboO: add a job that produces output |
| 13:23.53 | asg | GiabboO: cron will only send mail if the job has output. create jobs that don't generate output if you don't want mail |
| 13:24.10 | valdyn | uuh |
| 13:24.11 | GiabboO | ok |
| 13:24.12 | GiabboO | perfect |
| 13:24.13 | GiabboO | ty =) |
| 13:24.13 | xand | > /dev/null |
| 13:24.18 | xingu | xand: what matters, is what ip link show says; particularly - the index verses name. |
| 13:24.33 | asg | GiabboO: if you still need some output sent somewhere, use logger instead of echo to send messages to syslog |
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| 13:24.50 | xand | xingu: I wasn't really bothered about the names... just trying to work out what driver the onboard NIC is using |
| 13:24.53 | xingu | xand: it's the index that is unique; driver, name, address, doesn't matter at all; and the index itself is dynamic - if you want a point in time view, go get one with ip link show |
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| 13:25.37 | xingu | xand: that relation isn't tracked; check the interface's current datalink (ether) address vs what the far end can see. |
| 13:25.46 | xand | what? |
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| 13:26.00 | xand | I know which device is which |
| 13:26.02 | numan | is mozilla browser replaced by iceap in the new version |
| 13:26.12 | xingu | xand: actually you might have some luck following /sys/class/net/.../ |
| 13:26.13 | xand | anyway... doesn't matter |
| 13:26.21 | valdyn | numan: yea |
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| 13:26.41 | xingu | xand: ... particularly, .../device/driver/ |
| 13:26.48 | numan | valdyn: how to install mozilla firefox browser? |
| 13:26.58 | numan | bcoz i love firefox |
| 13:27.00 | valdyn | numan: apt-get install firefox |
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| 13:27.07 | valdyn | numan: bits iceweasel in debian though |
| 13:27.12 | xand | if you have etch it's called iceweasel |
| 13:27.12 | valdyn | numan: its iceweasel in debian though |
| 13:27.27 | valdyn | numan: or aptitude, since you were going to use that earlier |
| 13:27.39 | numan | iceweasel? |
| 13:27.50 | abrotman | aptitude install iceweasel |
| 13:27.57 | aubergine | my server is rebooting every ~hour. what could that be and how to find out? in the "lastlog there stand always reboot - system boot - kernel-2.6.20 - and the date |
| 13:27.59 | valdyn | numan: debian had to rename those programs for legal reasons |
| 13:28.11 | abrotman | cron.hourly ? |
| 13:28.34 | xand | valdyn: stubbornness reasons you mean |
| 13:28.41 | abrotman | xand: ah .. no |
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| 13:28.50 | numan | yes above command apt-get install firefox returned iceweasel |
| 13:29.20 | numan | but i think mozilla firefox is also free browser |
| 13:29.21 | aubergine | abrotman: no cronjobs installed and sometimes the systems runs just 5minutes |
| 13:29.32 | xand | aubergine: overheating |
| 13:29.33 | valdyn | numan: the browser is free, the trademark is not |
| 13:29.41 | xand | aubergine: dodgy capacitors on motherboard |
| 13:29.45 | numan | ok |
| 13:29.47 | Reiser2 | abrotman: hi, how are you |
| 13:29.50 | xand | aubergine: sounds like a hardware problem |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | aubergine: i'd be testing the hardware |
| 13:29.57 | abrotman | Reiser2: sick |
| 13:30.05 | xand | look in dmesg for any errors |
| 13:30.12 | xand | and twisted? |
| 13:30.13 | abrotman | Reiser2: please don't do that |
| 13:30.23 | numan | valdyn: how to solve my sound card problem? |
| 13:30.32 | abrotman | Reiser2: at least ask permission first |
| 13:30.33 | valdyn | numan: tell us what the proglem is |
| 13:30.37 | Reiser2 | sorry |
| 13:30.51 | valdyn | numan: now that you have irc on debian you can _paste_ errors... |
| 13:30.55 | numan | and also can i use usb keyboard now or i have to download drivers first? |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 13:31.16 | xand | numan: plug it in and see. |
| 13:31.19 | valdyn | numan: just plug it in |
| 13:31.22 | Reiser2 | abrotman: how can i know is that channel is really registered? |
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| 13:31.23 | numan | yes but how to get error log? |
| 13:31.33 | valdyn | numan: for your sound? |
| 13:31.38 | numan | yes |
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| 13:31.44 | xand | listen for the errors and write them down |
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| 13:31.50 | valdyn | numan: what are you trying to play back ? |
| 13:31.50 | abrotman | Reiser2: /msg chanserv info <channel> |
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| 13:32.00 | Reiser2 | thanks |
| 13:32.12 | numan | bcoz everytime you msg me my computer beeps |
| 13:32.21 | eifzon | does debian work for a p965 chipset? |
| 13:32.25 | numan | maybe internal speakers |
| 13:32.27 | valdyn | numan: that's your irc client doing |
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| 13:32.48 | abrotman | eifzon: depends what's on it |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | eifzon: please don't msg me |
| 13:33.25 | abrotman | eifzon: i have no idea what controllers are on it |
| 13:33.45 | eifzon | using intel core 2 duo e6000, motherboard: ASUS p5b deluxe |
| 13:33.49 | valdyn | eifzon: not sarge |
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| 13:34.40 | torrr | has anyone tried the new processors with VT? |
| 13:34.54 | wols | !tell torr about anyone |
| 13:35.00 | hamid | why debian releas isn't in 7 april , or in today ? |
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| 13:35.02 | veke | hi |
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| 13:35.33 | veke | hi |
| 13:35.47 | veke | what is the solution for the missing configuration files? |
| 13:35.51 | wols | hamid: cause it's not ready |
| 13:35.58 | wols | veke: man dpkg |
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| 13:36.10 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 13:36.10 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 13:36.11 | wols | depends on what config files tho |
| 13:37.20 | eifzon | abrotman, do you know what to do? :o |
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| 13:37.40 | numan | valdyn: u there for me? |
| 13:37.41 | minerale | when my system restarts apache starts automatically, how do I change that? I thought it was a setting in /etc/default/apach -- but there is no such thing |
| 13:38.32 | rvalles | rc-update |
| 13:38.47 | redrain | minerale: /etc/init.d/apache |
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| 13:39.28 | eifzon | anyone here with a p965 chipset? |
| 13:39.53 | redduck666 | rvalles: actually on debian it is update-rc.d |
| 13:40.22 | myUserName | I would like to know a few things about debian so i can know if i should install debian or ubuntu, ubuntu is easy to setup, is there much of a difference besides the artwork and some of the versions of the software in the final release?? (I would be using a 64bit distro, does anyone know what distro is better 64bit?) |
| 13:40.51 | numan | valdyn: so my usb keyboard is working |
| 13:41.01 | redduck666 | myUserName: if you ask that you should probably pick ubuntu. |
| 13:41.37 | myUserName | redduck666: i am very familiar with ubuntu i just want to know if debian has kept up with things that are more user related such as 3d and such |
| 13:41.55 | rambo3 | lol |
| 13:41.58 | myUserName | redduck666: also the ubuntu 64bit distro could be better, so i am curious if debian has the same problems |
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| 13:43.21 | minerale | redrain: well, using init.d/apache stop --> I can do it manually, but how can I stop it from starting automatically ? |
| 13:43.25 | Tallu | Uhm. My tty1 is frozen, is there any way to 'restart' it? |
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| 13:44.00 | redduck666 | minerale: update-rc.d |
| 13:44.03 | valdyn | minerale: mv /etc/init.d/apache /etc/init.d/apache.disabled |
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| 13:44.07 | redrain | minerale: apt-get install rcconf, it's a simple and easy way |
| 13:44.10 | valdyn | using update-rc.d for this is stupid |
| 13:44.14 | redduck666 | valdyn: that's ugly :/ |
| 13:44.24 | valdyn | redduck666: no, that's well supported |
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| 13:44.53 | redduck666 | valdyn: using update-rc.d is stupid? that what it was *meant* to do. |
| 13:44.54 | valdyn | redduck666: contrary to the symlinks, the init.d scripts are debian config files |
| 13:45.01 | valdyn | redduck666: no, read the docs |
| 13:45.10 | valdyn | redduck666: update-rc.d is for debian packages, not for users |
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| 13:45.54 | redduck666 | valdyn: yes, but that doesn't change the fact it was meant to remove (among other things) things from rc.d directories |
| 13:46.24 | Tallu | Like, I had a screen running on tty1 and it died, so i logged in to another tty and killed and wiped the process. tty1 still shows the contents of the screen though, and i cant seem to get rid of it, i also tried to kill the tty process and start it again |
| 13:46.36 | redduck666 | also mv-ing /etc/init.d/aoache should throw you some kind of error during boot. |
| 13:46.44 | valdyn | redduck666: nope, it doesnt |
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| 13:47.15 | dicon | anyone uses mercury msn? |
| 13:47.50 | krifur | hello, i have a .doc create with open office and i want to stretch his size but all data information on it are important how can i fix this ? |
| 13:48.18 | krifur | it must be a .doc file |
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| 13:48.55 | valdyn | redduck666: once you removed rcX.d symlinks, restoring defaults is plain ugly |
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| 13:50.14 | redduck666 | valdyn: and you were telling me to readd the docs? when was the last time you checked update-rc.d man page? update-rc.d apache defatuls |
| 13:50.17 | krifur | i want to lose 5 kb to my .doc file but all lines are important (it s a resume) then i will be able to upload to a employment site |
| 13:50.28 | krifur | any ideas? |
| 13:50.29 | redduck666 | *defaults |
| 13:50.40 | valdyn | redduck666: yea, that adds apache to the default runlevels with the WRONG priority |
| 13:50.40 | redduck666 | krifur: compression. |
| 13:51.04 | krifur | redduck666: impossible it has to be a .doc file |
| 13:51.05 | redduck666 | valdyn: the same as package does it. |
| 13:51.13 | valdyn | redduck666: no |
| 13:51.24 | krifur | i can t bzip or tar this file |
| 13:51.31 | redduck666 | krifur: open it in oowriter and cut down 5kb, no other way really. |
| 13:51.46 | krifur | redduck666: yeah but its a resume :/ |
| 13:52.08 | redduck666 | valdyn: how do you define priority? the number in [SK]<number><package>? |
| 13:52.16 | valdyn | redduck666: yea |
| 13:52.24 | valdyn | redduck666: the number |
| 13:52.33 | krifur | i was thinking maybe there was an option ... whatever...thx |
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| 13:55.11 | valdyn | redduck666: similar issue comes on package upgrade, where new symlinks get generated when you really wanted to have this service disabled |
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| 13:56.25 | trengo | I don't remember how I removed syslogkd from startup... how can I add it back again? |
| 13:56.50 | trengo | actually, what are the default parameters that are provided for /etc/init.d/syslogkd |
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| 13:57.14 | valdyn | trengo: purge the package and reinstall it |
| 13:57.27 | valdyn | trengo: backup configuration changes you made first.. |
| 13:57.40 | trengo | so apt-get remove syskglogd, then apt-get install sysklogd ? |
| 13:57.57 | valdyn | trengo: no, apt-get remove --purge syslogd |
| 13:57.57 | numan | valdyn: howto install flash player |
| 13:58.09 | trengo | alright thank you!!! |
| 13:58.19 | redduck666 | valdyn: hmmm, i was wrong, you were right :/ |
| 13:58.33 | numan | valdyn: is it apt-get install flash? |
| 13:58.49 | valdyn | numan: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:58.53 | valdyn | !tell numan -about search |
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| 13:59.26 | valdyn | redduck666: i fell over this once, after disabling alot, wanting to enable alot, i had to reinstall every single relevant package |
| 13:59.41 | numan | valdyn: No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:00.06 | abrotman | 2hq5? |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | what? :) |
| 14:00.46 | asg | numan: /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 14:01.15 | solar_sea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.16 | xand | "Fiber distributed data interface (FDDI) provides a standard for data transmission in a local area network that can extend in range up to 200 kilometers (124 miles).".... nice "local" network that'd make |
| 14:01.23 | solar_sea | ops :) |
| 14:02.04 | xand | right.... removed a load of crap from my kernel config and recompiling c.c wonder how long this time |
| 14:03.15 | nn-k-laptop | depends on your cp speed |
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| 14:03.39 | xand | really? I thought all computers were the same speed |
| 14:04.03 | nn-k-laptop | lol |
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| 14:04.18 | xand | what? |
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| 14:05.02 | nn-k-laptop | have you heard of 486 processeer 10 days at least to compile |
| 14:05.15 | redduck666 | xand: also depends how much things you left in the kernel |
| 14:05.29 | xand | three |
| 14:05.57 | nn-k-laptop | xand: you have low ram?? |
| 14:06.04 | redduck666 | heh, hope you're joking |
| 14:06.06 | xand | 4MB |
| 14:06.12 | numan | asg: it didnot provide me the non free flash player |
| 14:06.23 | nn-k-laptop | OUUUUUUTTTTTTTCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:07.07 | asg | numan: it told you how to add non-free and contrib to your sources you could apt-get install it |
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| 14:07.40 | DocPlatypus | oh my |
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| 14:08.01 | DocPlatypus | that's going to be a real bear |
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| 14:08.04 | numan | how to ? |
| 14:08.19 | numan | apt-get install flash? |
| 14:08.31 | xand | jesus fucking christ |
| 14:08.59 | jsn | sounds very auto- |
| 14:09.45 | redduck666 | numan: try swf-player |
| 14:09.47 | numan | asg: how to install the downloaded flash player from adobe website? |
| 14:10.02 | jsn | Anyway, I don't run debuild very often (ever?) and my problem is that, after the build works, I get a debsign failure because I can't find mpitt@debian.org's public key. What gpg command do I need to add the right keyserver, and what is the right keyserver? |
| 14:10.02 | asg | numan: you read the instructions |
| 14:10.04 | redduck666 | numan: first you decompress it, than run install.sh IIRC. |
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| 14:13.24 | jvm | hi. if i use experimental or unstable sources and run "apt-get update" i get "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room". why? |
| 14:13.42 | jsn | jvm: ooh! i know |
| 14:13.43 | asg | jvm: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 14:13.53 | jvm | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.58 | jvm | ups |
| 14:13.59 | jsn | without the leading space |
| 14:14.10 | jvm | yeah, didn't copy it right |
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| 14:15.41 | jvm | thanks |
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| 14:16.13 | jsn | What is the right keyserver for mpitt@debian.org? |
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| 14:17.19 | abrotman | subkeys.pgp.net .. i'd guess |
| 14:17.21 | numan | asg: howto setup sound device? |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | asg: RUN! |
| 14:17.45 | numan | abrotman: howto setup sound device? |
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| 14:17.52 | asg | abrotman: JUMP! |
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| 14:18.28 | asg | abrotman: is it running sarge or etch? |
| 14:19.26 | jsn | Is there a command for adding a keyserver, or am I missing part of the necessary brain preparation here? |
| 14:19.32 | numan | asg: u didnot reply me? |
| 14:19.35 | redduck666 | numan: alsaconf is your friend |
| 14:19.42 | pngwn | again there is proof positive that the only thing you learn from being spoon fed is how to open your mouth... |
| 14:20.04 | numan | redduck66: alsaconf? |
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| 14:20.24 | redduck666 | numan: open your console, comebe root and type alsaconf |
| 14:20.35 | redduck666 | and you missed one 6! |
| 14:20.39 | redduck666 | :} |
| 14:20.41 | numan | yes |
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| 14:20.46 | numan | :) |
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| 14:24.07 | jvm | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/devel/glade says that glade-3 is in experimental. i added "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free" to my sources.list and ran "apt-get install glade", but it says the newest version is installed, even if only v2 is on my system. |
| 14:24.22 | jvm | why? |
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| 14:24.47 | numan | redduck666: howto check that sound card is working? |
| 14:24.47 | jorgp | jvm: did you run an apt-get update first? |
| 14:25.05 | jvm | jorgp: yes |
| 14:25.45 | jorgp | do an apt-cache search glade, see what comes up |
| 14:26.58 | numan | what is esd? |
| 14:27.02 | wols | !esd |
| 14:27.03 | jvm | glade and glade-2 show up, and some librarys/other packages |
| 14:27.03 | dpkg | somebody said esd was the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
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| 14:28.16 | numan | redduck666: i tried alsaconf? |
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| 14:30.00 | buscon | Hi, what's a good free sw for editing pdf files? I'd like to add notes and underline text |
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| 14:32.39 | wols | pdf files can't be edited (except for pdf forms) |
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| 14:33.37 | guru | what happened to the xlibs package? was it replaced by a package with another name? |
| 14:34.21 | wols | guru: yes. with the change to xorg |
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| 14:35.20 | guru | wols: do you know what the new package name is? i have a .deb here that depends on xlibs being installed and i want to repackage it with the new xlibs package name |
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| 14:36.07 | buscon | wols: yes, but I just need to add notes and underline some text - for osx I've found skim |
| 14:36.09 | guru | i'm actually trying to install cedega in a 32bit chroot |
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| 14:36.38 | h3sp4wn | guru: use equivs and make a dummy package |
| 14:37.06 | guru | h3sp4wn: i don't know what the new package is called and my searches on google have been no help |
| 14:37.21 | h3sp4wn | guru: Call it xlibs |
| 14:37.34 | h3sp4wn | !equivs |
| 14:37.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 14:37.38 | guru | h3sp4wn: i plan on simply removing the xlibs dependancy from the control file and adding in the new lib |
| 14:38.12 | guru | h3sp4wn: ahh ok, i thought you were telling me to install the "equivalent" of xlibs :) |
| 14:38.23 | wols | h3sp4wn: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=lib%2FlibX&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 14:38.30 | wols | oops. guru: I meant |
| 14:38.55 | h3sp4wn | guru: Less time consuming than taking the deb appart and putting it back together |
| 14:39.07 | guru | h3sp4wn: true |
| 14:39.33 | guru | wols: yeah i saw those from apt-cache search as well but i'm not sure what the replacement one is |
| 14:39.57 | h3sp4wn | guru: also useful to do the same thing for nvidia-kernel (if you want direct rendering in the chroot) |
| 14:40.13 | wols | guru: go to pdo, search for xlibs. check what files are in there. then search for those files in testing. done |
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| 14:45.24 | jsn | I am having a bit of trouble with debsign. I added "keyserver subkeys.pgp.net" to ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and I created my own key and still debsign fails as part of debuild. |
| 14:45.42 | jsn | I am concerned enough that I want that final check. |
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| 14:48.41 | piper69 | where can i learn about user account and groups and how to assigen a user restriction please |
| 14:49.05 | jsn | man gpg and man debsign are not enough help for me. |
| 14:50.21 | numan | hi anybody tell me howto check sound output? |
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| 14:50.47 | numan | totem movie player cant play wmv files? |
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| 14:51.38 | Greek-Boy | i used fsck.ext3 on my mounted drive |
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| 14:51.41 | Greek-Boy | now everything is lost |
| 14:51.45 | twiztr | Is there a way I can make Evolution in the sys bar? So like, it doesn't have to be actively open, but like, tell me somehow when I get mail, have an appointment, etc. |
| 14:51.50 | Greek-Boy | is there a way to recover it? |
| 14:51.57 | asg | Greek-Boy: that's why it gives you the friendly warning not to do that. Restore from backups |
| 14:52.19 | Greek-Boy | backups is the only way? :( |
| 14:52.20 | DocPlatypus | Greek-Boy: never fsck a mounted drive |
| 14:52.29 | Greek-Boy | damn |
| 14:52.32 | Greek-Boy | I never knew that |
| 14:52.36 | DocPlatypus | Greek-Boy: yes, this is why you make backups of your important data |
| 14:52.43 | DocPlatypus | if it's not backed up it can't have been that important |
| 14:52.43 | asg | Greek-Boy: if the removed files are in /lost+found, you can attempt to find out what they are with standard tools (file, less, etc.) |
| 14:53.31 | Greek-Boy | asg do they stay in their original structure and format? |
| 14:53.48 | jsn | I bet there are people who have non-backed-up and important files, at least once. |
| 14:54.06 | hark | twiztr: use something like mail-notification |
| 14:54.08 | Greek-Boy | well i guess it's a big oops then... |
| 14:54.11 | asg | Greek-Boy: yes, they have just lost their names. If we are talking about thousands of files, you are better of just starting from scratch. |
| 14:55.22 | Greek-Boy | so how would I run fsck on my system hard drive if i have to unmount it? |
| 14:55.38 | rambo3 | cd? |
| 14:55.40 | asg | Greek-Boy: touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
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| 14:56.59 | redduck666 | Greek-Boy: mount it read only. |
| 14:57.34 | Greek-Boy | ok thanks |
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| 15:00.20 | kuba_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.35 | abchirk | ahy you loaded source..when you have debian with apt? |
| 15:01.45 | abchirk | ahy = why |
| 15:01.58 | jorgp | I have a friend who wants to switch to unstable, should I have her install sarge or etch and then upgrade? |
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| 15:02.25 | amphi | jorgp: etch, and tell her not to upgrade, perhaps ;) |
| 15:02.27 | abchirk | mh I would do so..because then you have the pkg mangement from apt |
| 15:02.30 | xand | jorgp: they should DIY, or not being using unstable |
| 15:02.33 | asg | jorgp: she should use etch and stay away from unstable |
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| 15:03.10 | jorgp | heh, is unstable broken right now? |
| 15:03.14 | abchirk | testing = unstable? |
| 15:03.17 | asg | abchirk: no |
| 15:03.33 | Tallu | jorgp: unstable isnt supported and will most likely break a lot, thus the name. |
| 15:03.36 | DocPlatypus | abchirk: testing is not unstable, stuff from unstable eventually goes into testing |
| 15:03.39 | asg | jorgp: it is always potentially broken. There is no reason to use it unless you helping developers debug it for the next release |
| 15:03.58 | Tallu | jorgp: so basically if you have to ask, you shouldn't upgrade to it. testing will do fine for everyday use, unstable won't |
| 15:04.02 | DocPlatypus | testing is safer than unstable, it's already had a few willing guinea pigs testing it out |
| 15:04.16 | jorgp | ok |
| 15:04.26 | DocPlatypus | Tallu: I pick and choose very carefully what I install from unstable |
| 15:04.33 | DocPlatypus | but mostly it's testing here |
| 15:04.59 | kuba_ | how can I install ALSA |
| 15:05.00 | kuba_ | ?? |
| 15:05.07 | dvs | !install alsa |
| 15:05.33 | dvs | kuba_: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 15:05.33 | asg | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:05.33 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 15:06.32 | jsn | Why is debsign failing so definitively when I run debuild? Which doc should I read to learn what I need to know? |
| 15:07.23 | kuba_ | dvs:E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 15:07.35 | asg | kuba_: run it as root |
| 15:07.35 | dvs | kuba_: are you root? |
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| 15:07.48 | kuba_ | yes |
| 15:08.12 | dvs | kuba_: then you must have another admin program running (aptitude, synaptic)? |
| 15:08.24 | jsn | kuba_, dselect? |
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| 15:08.46 | wols | DocPlatypus: as soon as testing and unstable have different libc6 versions again, this WILL bite you in the ass |
| 15:08.48 | pastryfromhell | right now i got me a nice shiney 1u server |
| 15:08.50 | pastryfromhell | but erhm |
| 15:09.00 | pastryfromhell | it has no cdrom drive or other thingies for that amtter |
| 15:09.05 | pastryfromhell | how the HELL do i get debian on it |
| 15:09.10 | pastryfromhell | it's got ipmi |
| 15:09.10 | asg | pastryfromhell: netboot |
| 15:09.16 | dvs | pastryfromhell: USB? |
| 15:09.19 | asg | pastryfromhell: usb key |
| 15:09.20 | wols | pastryfromhell: read the install manual |
| 15:09.25 | DocPlatypus | wols: now that I know to keep an eye on that, it won't |
| 15:09.26 | asg | pastryfromhell: /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:09.36 | pastryfromhell | netboot? |
| 15:09.46 | pastryfromhell | you mean like pxe boot? |
| 15:09.53 | jsn | I have a slightly dusty 1U, but I can't seem to build postgres8, at least, I can't gpg the output |
| 15:10.12 | asg | pastryfromhell: read the install guide, it will give you all the available options |
| 15:10.48 | pastryfromhell | Diskless installation, using network booting from a local area network and NFS-mounting of all local filesystems, is another option. |
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| 15:13.29 | hamlet | At one point I had Debian installed on an iBook. I remember apt-getting a package that added functionality specifically for the iBook or powerbook. I now have a lenovo thinkpad x60s. Is there anything similar for the thinkpads? |
| 15:13.59 | asg | hamlet: apt-cache search thinkpad. Also, check tuxmobile.org for your model. |
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| 15:14.10 | pastryfromhell | goddammit |
| 15:14.11 | pastryfromhell | asg |
| 15:14.13 | pastryfromhell | thanks |
| 15:14.19 | pastryfromhell | im gonna call my dealer for some meth |
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| 15:14.28 | pastryfromhell | and pull an allnighter |
| 15:14.30 | dvs | o_O |
| 15:14.36 | asg | pastryfromhell: you could also take the drive out of it and install it in a system with a cdrom |
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| 15:14.49 | kuba_ | dvs:ok now, i've forgotten to close the synaptic |
| 15:14.54 | asg | pastryfromhell: install debian on it, put it back in the 1u, profit. |
| 15:15.00 | dvs | !beer me |
| 15:15.04 | pastryfromhell | nah i need to be able to do this shit when it get's b0rked in the datacenter |
| 15:15.08 | guru | when i attempt to start anything that uses x from my 32bit chroot environment i receive the error "x11drv: Can't open display:". is there a step i'm forgetting to do? |
| 15:15.33 | omg0 | xms, cd player works. I get sound. but I get no sound from VLM. What should I chrck? |
| 15:15.45 | omg0 | check? |
| 15:16.31 | guru | omg0: are all of your volume levels turned up? |
| 15:17.04 | omg0 | yes |
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| 15:17.18 | numan | anybody can tell me howto solve the sound device problem? |
| 15:17.22 | omg0 | guru, yes. volumes up |
| 15:17.41 | crm__ | and esd is running? |
| 15:17.42 | guru | omg0: beyond that i'm afraid i won't be able to help; i'm not familiar with vlm |
| 15:17.56 | ifireball | how do I make mod_ssl send the CA certificate along with the server certificate? |
| 15:18.06 | jsn | guru: is the parent environment already using the display? |
| 15:18.09 | numan | valdyn |
| 15:18.14 | guru | jsn: yes |
| 15:18.18 | numan | :valdyn: u there? |
| 15:18.24 | jsn | guru: then the chroot can not |
| 15:18.34 | totolo | guru: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:18.37 | numan | abrotman: u there? |
| 15:19.01 | jsn | Is there a key I need to install? |
| 15:19.09 | numan | guru: can u helpme? |
| 15:19.41 | totolo | how to increase fonts on my irssi |
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| 15:20.09 | guru | numan: i don't know what your problem is and i failed my mind-reading class, so no probably not unless you tell me your problem |
| 15:20.19 | asg | numan: stop that. |
| 15:20.43 | totolo | how to increase fonts on my x |
| 15:20.47 | guru | totolo: aha, it seems that i don't have an xserver even installed in my chroot environment |
| 15:20.58 | guru | numan: why are you pinging me? |
| 15:21.01 | numan | asg: stop what? |
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| 15:21.05 | suppaman | hi |
| 15:21.24 | asg | numan: 1) begging. 2) sending me CTCP PINGs |
| 15:21.27 | numan | guru: i am checking that is u available or away? |
| 15:21.58 | numan | asg: i just want to know that r u there or offlione? |
| 15:21.59 | guru | numan: i just responded to you so therefore my bet would be that im available |
| 15:22.25 | suppaman | not everyone like ctcp ping |
| 15:22.27 | hark | numan: haha |
| 15:22.36 | suppaman | you could use another ctcp anyway |
| 15:22.48 | numan | guru: my problem is no sound at all and cant play wmv file |
| 15:22.59 | pastryfromhell | that's not a problem |
| 15:23.03 | pastryfromhell | that's a blessing |
| 15:23.11 | pastryfromhell | now yell at whoever gave you that wmv file |
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| 15:23.34 | numan | i downloaded from the internet |
| 15:23.43 | numan | its a short movie |
| 15:24.16 | numan | guru: you dont respond me? |
| 15:25.35 | guru | numan: be a little patient |
| 15:25.50 | numan | guru: ok |
| 15:26.09 | numan | valdyn: |
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| 15:27.06 | numan | by the way which one is better and secure irdc client for linux? |
| 15:27.22 | numan | irc |
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| 15:30.18 | numan | guru: i am waiting? |
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| 15:33.54 | root__ | is there a good mapi server for debian? |
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| 15:39.35 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 15:39.38 | HardDisk_WP | a question: |
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| 15:39.49 | HardDisk_WP | why does update-grub still use the layout of my old disk? |
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| 15:40.35 | wols | HardDisk_WP: /boot/grub/device.map |
| 15:40.36 | HardDisk_WP | I moved the debian from hda4 to hda1, fixed /boot/grub/menu.lst and it worked...now i updated grub package and my menu.lst was b0rked again |
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| 15:41.00 | drcode | hi all |
| 15:41.14 | drcode | the last debian come with what kernel and alsa drivers? |
| 15:41.16 | HardDisk_WP | wols, there is only fd0 and hda |
| 15:41.28 | ifireball | HardDisk_WP: see the comments in the file |
| 15:41.45 | HardDisk_WP | ifireball, there are no comments in device.map |
| 15:41.54 | ifireball | HardDisk_WP: in menu.lst |
| 15:42.16 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 15:42.25 | HardDisk_WP | btw, does Linux support ES1878 audio chipsets? |
| 15:42.38 | wols | !hcl |
| 15:42.39 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 15:43.16 | dutchfish | how can i send keyboard-switch-command through ssh console session to switch the master from a compaq eo1004w KVM? |
| 15:43.16 | trumpe1 | anyone knows how could I repair a ntfs partition? Is considered insane to try to do it from a Debian system? |
| 15:43.29 | xand | trumpe1: yes |
| 15:43.34 | xand | (to the latter) |
| 15:43.40 | trumpe1 | thanks |
| 15:44.26 | HardDisk_WP | wols, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/sound.html tells the ES 1878 being supported |
| 15:44.40 | HardDisk_WP | wols, but there ain't a kernel module es1878 nor ess1878 |
| 15:44.45 | HardDisk_WP | stack kernel... |
| 15:44.59 | dutchfish | or how can i send [crtl][alt]1..9 sequences to a remote console? |
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| 15:46.00 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, controlling a KVM via SSH is not possible |
| 15:46.15 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, the KVM react only on commands sended by the keyboard.. |
| 15:46.19 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, oh yes, i am doing it actually right now |
| 15:46.30 | HardDisk_WP | what? it works for you? |
| 15:46.40 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, with a trick yes |
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| 15:47.27 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, what trick? |
| 15:47.29 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, the computer thats connected to the master i have a shell on, i just dont kno how i can send those sequences.. |
| 15:47.57 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, hmm... tried VNC? |
| 15:48.11 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, no vnc just a shell |
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| 15:48.24 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 15:48.51 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, do i need escape codes like ^D^C? |
| 15:48.52 | ifireball | HardDisk_WP: it would probably be an snd-xxx ALSA module, check the alsa website to see which module you need to load |
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| 15:49.33 | HardDisk_WP | ifireball, ok |
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| 15:49.38 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, i dont know |
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| 15:50.05 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, like sending those through normal ssh shell |
| 15:50.29 | \amethyst | dutchfish: Doesn't typing ctrl-alt-1 work? |
| 15:50.46 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, [crtl]C does work but apperently [crtl][alt] seqeunces dont |
| 15:50.46 | ifireball | dutchfish: which KVM are you using? |
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| 15:51.03 | dutchfish | ifireball, eo1004W |
| 15:51.20 | \amethyst | dutchfish: In most terminals, ctrl-alt-N is esc + ctrl-N |
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| 15:51.26 | dutchfish | ifireball, 8 port kvm connected to a headless machine |
| 15:51.49 | dutchfish | \amethyst, thx an awfull lot! it works!!!!! |
| 15:52.02 | \amethyst | Just wondering |
| 15:52.07 | \amethyst | where is the KVM sitting anyway? |
| 15:52.15 | \amethyst | I mean, how is it seeing what you type in ssh at all? |
| 15:52.27 | ifireball | dutchfish: don't know that one (what you're asking really does depend on the KVM software/ahrdware), I know IBM NetBay has a "macro" menu for that kind of stuff |
| 15:52.45 | dutchfish | \amethyst, now i have a 8 port kvm + old headless pc for a total of 40 bucks working a remote 8-port kvm :) i am happy |
| 15:53.19 | HardDisk_WP | ifireball, how can I find out which modules I have? |
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| 15:54.21 | dutchfish | \amethyst, the video is capt by an old capture card, the keyboard is through usb converter, the mouse i dont need |
| 15:54.23 | ifireball | HardDisk_WP: 1. you probably have all of them; 2. you can look in /lib/modules; 3. you can just try loading to module you want with modprobe |
| 15:55.03 | dutchfish | \amethyst, a lot of fiddling, but it works great |
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| 15:55.23 | HardDisk_WP | ifireball, that's the problem: i dont know how the module could be named -.- |
| 15:55.59 | ifireball | HardDisk_WP: this is what the ALSA website is supposed to tell you |
| 15:56.10 | ifireball | dutchfish: how are you sending it over SSH? |
| 15:56.38 | ifireball | dutchfish: tunneling X? |
| 15:56.43 | pingouin | php5 is possible with debian Sarge ? |
| 15:56.44 | dutchfish | ifireball, yup |
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| 15:57.58 | redduck666 | pingouin: yes. |
| 15:58.01 | dutchfish | ifireball, i simply dont wanted to pay for a remote over IP KVM, its too expensive |
| 15:58.16 | ifireball | dutchfish: I hear ya |
| 15:58.45 | pingouin | redduck666: please, can you tell me more ? apt-cache search only give me php3 and 4....or i did something wrong ? thanks for your help |
| 15:58.52 | redduck666 | pingouin: from my apt-cache showpkg php5: 5.2.0-8+etch1~bpo.1(/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sarge-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 15:59.08 | ifireball | dutchfish: no, w8, I didn't get it; I gather you're tunneling the video captue window, but what do you do about the keyboard? |
| 15:59.22 | redduck666 | dogbert:/home/redduck666# grep backports /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:59.24 | redduck666 | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 15:59.35 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: try es18xx |
| 15:59.55 | dutchfish | ifireball, i told you i have ps/2 -> usb cable, the rest is software |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | MrWup: MAPI is an MS protocol AFAIK |
| 16:00.12 | ifireball | dutchfish: do you have some kind of software that can act as a keyboard over a usb cable? |
| 16:00.14 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: or maybe it's snd-es18xx |
| 16:00.17 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | !tell pingouin about bpo |
| 16:00.30 | dutchfish | ifireball, you have too ;) |
| 16:00.53 | pingouin | ok thank you redduck666 , thank you abrotman |
| 16:01.06 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, FATAL: Error inserting snd_es18xx (/lib/...): No such device |
| 16:01.16 | \amethyst | Well, that's a start |
| 16:01.18 | abrotman | pingouin: make sure you read the instructions |
| 16:01.20 | ifireball | dutchfish: I do? |
| 16:01.21 | pingouin | have to check how to handle those backport, never did, dont want to *broke* my stable sarge |
| 16:01.43 | dutchfish | ifireball, you just use piping from the shell to usb |
| 16:01.47 | pingouin | abrotman: yep, i sure do read before doing this , thank you |
| 16:01.47 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: what does lspci say about your card exactly? |
| 16:02.06 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, it's not shown there |
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| 16:02.28 | dutchfish | ifireball, the host that controls the master doesnt even need a keboard |
| 16:02.40 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: What interface is it? |
| 16:02.44 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, as the notebook is a real old thing, I believe it's plugged by ISA... |
| 16:02.54 | ifireball | dutchfish: hmm, what what do you send over the pipe? scan codes? |
| 16:03.15 | dutchfish | ifireball, no, just characters |
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| 16:03.35 | \amethyst | dutchfish: the KVM does the conversion? |
| 16:04.09 | dutchfish | ifireball, you linux sees the usb device (wich is connected to the masters keyboard connector) as a normal keyboard, duh |
| 16:04.30 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, is it possible that Etch doesn't support ISA devices any more? |
| 16:04.35 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: Try pnputils |
| 16:04.42 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: see what lspnp says about it |
| 16:05.01 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: the driver for your hardware is there, it just isn't recognizing your hardware |
| 16:05.14 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, lspnp doesnt exist, pnputils is no package, isapnputils is not here |
| 16:05.19 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: meaning you might have to PNP configure it first (to assign IRQs and port numbers) |
| 16:05.32 | dutchfish | ifireball, but theoritically you could connect 2 keyboard |
| 16:05.48 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, windows and the bios of laptop did correct configure it already |
| 16:06.05 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: Is your bios set to "PNP operating system"? |
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| 16:06.29 | ifireball | dutchfish: w8, let me see if I get this straight, you have 8 servers connected to a KVM, and another server which you call "master" connected to the KVM's input ports and the network workign as a remoting device right? |
| 16:06.48 | dutchfish | ifireball, yes almost right |
| 16:06.54 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, yes, it works in Windows |
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| 16:07.28 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, the search in http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages doesnt find any pnp utils for etch, only for Sarge |
| 16:07.30 | ifireball | and you have a PS2->USB cable connected from the master's USB port to the KVM's input PS2 port? |
| 16:07.49 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: you can try setting your bios to "PNP operating system" OFF and see if that configures your isa device |
| 16:08.00 | dutchfish | ifireball, you need the video to see what you are doing, so i use for that an old capturecard wich produces a remote stream tunneled |
| 16:08.05 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, there is no such option in the bios |
| 16:08.12 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: oh |
| 16:08.24 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: Fortunately isapnptools has a reasonable set of dependencies |
| 16:08.29 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: oh well, looking for the isapnptools still, im quite confused they are supposed to be gone |
| 16:08.34 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: you should be able to install the sarge package in etch |
| 16:08.45 | HardDisk_WP | ok.. |
| 16:08.55 | dutchfish | ifireball, this is just a test setup, i will later use a foxboard, so this 1U master can be dropped and doesnt take up 1U space |
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| 16:09.17 | ifireball | dutchfish: yeah, I got the capture part, I just can't wrap my head around how does the keyboard part work exactly |
| 16:10.17 | dutchfish | ifireball, the master or remote host that is connected to the KVM "thinks" the usb-cable is a keyboard, thats it |
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| 16:10.18 | ifireball | dutchfish: maybe I'll get it if you show me an example of the kind of commands you run on the master |
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| 16:10.56 | ifireball | dutchfish: but as far as I gather the KVM needs to think "master" is a keyboard |
| 16:11.13 | numan | anybody here for answer my question? |
| 16:11.14 | ifireball | dutchfish: also you ususally read from keyboard not write to them... |
| 16:11.18 | dutchfish | ifireball, the rest is piping, when i pipe from keyboard1 -> keyboard2 i dont need any conversion right? |
| 16:11.29 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, valdyn: pnpdump says "no boards found" |
| 16:11.29 | \amethyst | wow, the isapnptools maintainer has some rather insane spam filters |
| 16:11.34 | \amethyst | err |
| 16:11.40 | dutchfish | ifireball, keyboard1 is a virtual keyboard |
| 16:11.42 | \amethyst | Not the debian maintainer, but upstream |
| 16:12.06 | dutchfish | ifireball, keyboard2 is what linux thinks is a keyboard |
| 16:12.26 | zamuro | !kiss |
| 16:12.26 | dpkg | methinks kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 16:12.28 | dutchfish | ifireball, that the trick |
| 16:12.53 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ok, i found it, ( i think ), looks to me like isapnptools is replaced by pnpbios-tools |
| 16:13.08 | ifireball | dutchfish: yeah I think I got it. who knew one could write to the keyboard device as well as read... that's one hack... |
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| 16:13.34 | dutchfish | ifireball, i admit i needed to recompile this part to actually work |
| 16:13.42 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: which is also gone from etch ? wth |
| 16:13.57 | dutchfish | ifireball, but its not hard as soon as you got the way to do it |
| 16:14.17 | numan | help me to overcome my sound problem |
| 16:14.19 | ifireball | dutchfish: I see... |
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| 16:14.26 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ok, that package again is replaced by pnputils |
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| 16:14.45 | PazO | Is there anyway to check which services who starts at boot without having to check all rc(n).d's? |
| 16:14.53 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ...and this package is also replaced by another? |
| 16:14.56 | jimmybgood | How can I get yaird to build an initrd with ide support on a system that only has libata support? |
| 16:14.58 | dutchfish | ifireball, look and shiver the power of linux (and its simplicity) |
| 16:15.01 | bonez39 | is there any tool which will compare two .pdf's to show what the differences or change are between them? |
| 16:15.12 | ifireball | dutchfish: you modified the source for it or is it a swich available on the mainsream kernel? |
| 16:15.17 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: what's your isa board really? there's a vast number of different isa configuration systems, its just ugly |
| 16:15.19 | abrotman | pdf is a binary format IIRC |
| 16:15.28 | dutchfish | ifireball, no, i am not a developer |
| 16:15.36 | numan | howto to force quit non responsive program? |
| 16:15.37 | dutchfish | ifireball, but anyone could do this |
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| 16:15.54 | abrotman | ctrl-c |
| 16:15.55 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, it's a Compaq Armada 7770, I actually don't know anything about this board, and the manual also doesnt tell anything |
| 16:16.16 | MrWup | is there any e-mail style server for debian which would work really well with microsoft outlook on windows xp client machines? i need groupware and all that stuff |
| 16:16.19 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, I only know from Win2K that the sound chip is a ES 1878 |
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| 16:16.26 | bonez39 | abrotman, yeah, it's binary....but when displayed....I was hoping something could review and show differences in text |
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| 16:16.38 | dutchfish | MrWup, exchange4linux |
| 16:16.41 | ifireball | dutchfish: so it's a switch in the kernel? how is it called? |
| 16:16.43 | Wyzard | jimmybgood: yaird has the chicken-and-egg problem that it can't build an initrd for anything other than the current configuration |
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| 16:16.51 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: you boot windows, write down the resources it uses, and supply those as parameters in linux |
| 16:16.58 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ( when loading the module ) |
| 16:17.12 | dutchfish | ifireball, its not a switch, you have to edit the source of the appropriate module |
| 16:17.20 | abrotman | bonez39: OCR software? pdf2txt and do a diff ? |
| 16:17.30 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ok, but i first have to wait for apt-get update to finish |
| 16:17.32 | jimmybgood | Wyzard: yeah, i expected that. |
| 16:17.39 | dutchfish | ifireball, when i am done cleening up the code, i will publish late ron |
| 16:17.51 | Wyzard | jimmybgood: I used to use yaird, but mkinitramfs has matured a lot and I now use that instead since it's Debian's default anyway |
| 16:17.55 | Wyzard | bonez39: There are tools for converting PDF files to plain text, though your results may vary since plain text is much less expressive than PDF |
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| 16:18.08 | Wyzard | bonez39: You could convert both PDFs to text and then diff the text files |
| 16:18.18 | dutchfish | ifireball, 2: i suspect there are even shorter ways to do it |
| 16:18.20 | ifireball | dutchfish: cool, that a cool hack indeed, hope it will land in the mainstream eventually |
| 16:18.23 | MrWup | dutchfish, the development of exchange4linux has ended, the website says |
| 16:18.32 | wad | I'm working on getting my one debian box to be able to power up another one. I'm thinking "Wake on LAN" is the ticket. Is there a debian package or something like this that will make the magic packets and such? |
| 16:18.36 | jimmybgood | Wyzard: oh, that's an idea - use a different program. I'll give it a try - Thanks |
| 16:18.36 | valdyn | nunu: which program is not responsive? |
| 16:18.38 | dutchfish | MrWup, then OpenExchnage |
| 16:18.45 | bonez39 | Wyzard, I don't care about how expressive it is..this is a contract...and I want to know what the company changed...before I sign on the line... |
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| 16:18.52 | dutchfish | MrWup, then OpenExchange* |
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| 16:19.46 | cmo-0 | i was working with screen, then the keyboard stuck, i tried c-a q. but it didn't work |
| 16:19.46 | nunu | valdyn, ? |
| 16:19.47 | bonez39 | Wyzard, where could I find pdf2txt? |
| 16:19.49 | valdyn | nunu: sorry, that was for numan |
| 16:19.53 | Wyzard | bonez39: OK, if it's an ordinary text document with text laid out from top to bottom, not some graphic design with text objects all over the place, that'd probably work OK |
| 16:19.54 | nunu | kk :) |
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| 16:20.31 | dutchfish | bonez39, tried gs (ghostscript)? |
| 16:20.38 | Wyzard | bonez39: "pdftotext" is in the "poppler-utils" package |
| 16:21.00 | bonez39 | dutchfish, I am sure I have gs .... is it to read the .pdf's or to convert them? |
| 16:21.24 | dutchfish | bonez39, at least when i installed gs i had it onboard |
| 16:21.48 | dutchfish | bonez39, prolly its in 1 of its dependicies |
| 16:22.13 | bonez39 | Wyzard, that's odd..if I want to install poppler-utils..I have to have it REMOVE xpdf....my favorite quick n dirty .pdf viewer |
| 16:22.14 | MrWup | dutchfish, thats really for suse |
| 16:22.24 | dutchfish | bonez39, hold on i lookup, asec |
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| 16:22.29 | bonez39 | ok |
| 16:22.36 | MrWup | does anyone here actually use openexchange on debian and can anyone recommend a groupware messaging server to me? |
| 16:22.53 | Techdeck | hey, anyone knows how to rsync 2 dirs from a remote comp to the current directory in one command? |
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| 16:23.05 | bonez39 | MrWup, do you run a company or do IT for yours? replacing Exchange? |
| 16:23.06 | Techdeck | like rsync -r somehost:dir1 somehost:dir2 . |
| 16:23.07 | Wyzard | bonez39: "Provides: xpdf-utils, pdftohtml", "Replaces: xpdf-utils, pdftohtml", "Conflicts: xpdf-utils, pdftohtml" |
| 16:23.17 | bonez39 | hmmm ok |
| 16:23.47 | dutchfish | bonez39, its in ghostscript |
| 16:23.59 | bonez39 | Wyzard, I'll give this a try...with pdf2txt... |
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| 16:24.10 | MrWup | bonez39, am running IT at a small company. we are setting up e-mail and groupware things for the office. exchange server is too expensive and fucks up the installation of windows 2003 server. im looking for a slick open source alternative for debian |
| 16:24.11 | Techdeck | anyone? |
| 16:24.37 | Techdeck | MrWup, I know there's openexchange |
| 16:24.39 | Techdeck | dunno how good it is |
| 16:24.43 | Wyzard | bonez39: It looks like xpdf-utils contains the same set of programs that poppler-utils does... presumably the poppler-utils ones are newer versions written to use libpoppler instead of xpdf |
| 16:24.48 | Wyzard | bonez39: "Poppler is a PDF rendering library based on xpdf PDF viewer" |
| 16:24.53 | MrWup | Techdeck, that's really for SuSE |
| 16:25.06 | Techdeck | it doesn't support any other distros? |
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| 16:25.19 | Techdeck | sounds odd |
| 16:25.28 | dutchfish | Techdeck, or install it with the tar.gz |
| 16:25.34 | Techdeck | there ya go |
| 16:25.34 | Techdeck | :p |
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| 16:26.29 | dutchfish | Techdeck, in Etch you just can install it through apt |
| 16:26.41 | MrWup | openxchange? |
| 16:27.05 | dutchfish | MrWup, ? |
| 16:27.20 | MrWup | you can install openxchange via apt in etch? |
| 16:27.25 | MrWup | cant find it in the apt-cache search |
| 16:27.26 | wick2o | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.28 | abrotman | ah no |
| 16:27.36 | wick2o | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.02 | wick2o | abrotman, that for me? |
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| 16:28.10 | famir | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | wick2o: nope |
| 16:28.23 | wick2o | famir, is your cpu fan running? |
| 16:28.31 | wick2o | perhaps your machien is overheating |
| 16:28.36 | dutchfish | MrWup, just read: http://gpl.netixia.com/openxchange/openxchange-sarge-howto.html |
| 16:28.45 | wick2o | or check your cron jobs if its exactly every few hours |
| 16:28.45 | famir | wick2o : i dont know how can check |
| 16:29.00 | wick2o | open your case and see if your cpu fan is running |
| 16:29.27 | famir | wick2o : i have a leptop |
| 16:29.29 | wick2o | open the side of your case and let me air in and see if that stops the "rebooting" |
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| 16:30.03 | famir | wick2o: i dont feel air coming |
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| 16:30.26 | MrWup | dutchfish, im on etch |
| 16:30.43 | famir | wick2o: what should i do ?? |
| 16:30.56 | daeos | abrotman: remember my question a week or so ago about wireless network cards ? |
| 16:30.59 | dutchfish | MrWup, then you have to wait i am afraid, or trial/error |
| 16:31.03 | MrWup | dutchfish, anyway, it says development stopped |
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| 16:31.06 | abrotman | daeos: ah ... no :) |
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| 16:31.11 | abrotman | daeos: what about them ? |
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| 16:31.13 | wick2o | take your laptop apart and replace the cpu fan? if it indeed is no longer working |
| 16:31.13 | christianp | hi all |
| 16:31.16 | daeos | abrotman: well, i got it working |
| 16:31.24 | abrotman | the acx110 ? |
| 16:31.25 | daeos | abrotman: but!, when using kismet |
| 16:31.29 | daeos | abrotman: i have an issue |
| 16:31.29 | wick2o | or have your laptop serviced if your afriad to take it apart |
| 16:31.36 | abrotman | or .. install acpid ? |
| 16:31.42 | abrotman | maybe with no acpi .. thefan won't run ? |
| 16:31.45 | famir | wick2o: two day ago i had windows any i had no problem |
| 16:31.53 | MrWup | hmf |
| 16:31.56 | dutchfish | MrWup, development isnt stopped http://www.open-xchange.com/ |
| 16:31.59 | christianp | problems with touchpad... my ubuntu dapper partition works well, while with etch my touchpad is slow (using usb mouse all was right) |
| 16:32.02 | MrWup | i thought linux was supposed to be good for server stuff |
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| 16:32.11 | MrWup | noone seems to write any software for messaging it seems |
| 16:32.17 | wick2o | famir, well then...check your cron jobs |
| 16:32.18 | abrotman | jabberd ? |
| 16:32.30 | christianp | i copy dapper xorg.conf into etch, but problems remains |
| 16:32.30 | wick2o | crontab -e i believe |
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| 16:32.37 | christianp | what other? |
| 16:32.43 | dutchfish | MrWup, there is an awfull lot of messaging software, you need to look better |
| 16:32.43 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, the EA for the audio controller interface is 0x0250-0x0257 (this is the first of the two devices) |
| 16:32.51 | famir | wick2o: look for what ? |
| 16:32.53 | kuba_ | i'm just starting with Linux (don't be angry for my question:)-what i have to type in terminal if i want to reinstall something? |
| 16:33.05 | MrWup | dutchfish, none that does groupware and works with outlook |
| 16:33.09 | wick2o | famir, something that restarts your computer every few hours |
| 16:33.11 | wick2o | doh :) |
| 16:33.21 | abrotman | famir: is acpi running ? |
| 16:33.47 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, the second device is the plugnplay audio drive, IRQ 5, DMA channels 0 and 1, E/A 0x220-0x22F, 0x0388-0x038B and 0x330-0x0331 |
| 16:34.06 | dutchfish | MrWup, 1: you want something for free 2: lookout = yaks 3: there are actually mapi connectors for a lot of linux groupware solutions |
| 16:34.08 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, what to enter now at modprobe (especially ecause it are two devices)? |
| 16:34.25 | famir | abrotman: what is it |
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| 16:34.44 | abrotman | famir: acpid .. it's a package |
| 16:35.06 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How can I show how much space is left on my harddrive? |
| 16:35.10 | MrWup | dutchfish, like what? |
| 16:35.25 | dutchfish | MrWup, i dont want to teach you how to Google |
| 16:35.33 | famir | abrotman: sorry i dont understand |
| 16:35.37 | MrWup | ive been googling for weeks for this sort of thing |
| 16:35.38 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 16:35.38 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
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| 16:35.55 | abrotman | famir: it might be responsible for controlling your fan |
| 16:36.03 | dutchfish | MrWup, the keyword is here MAPI connector |
| 16:36.17 | famir | wick2o : i have disabled every thing in crontab |
| 16:36.44 | dutchfish | MrWup, that is if you want to stick to outlook |
| 16:36.45 | MrWup | so i run a MAPI connector on windows XP to connect outlook to a debian groupware type server? |
| 16:36.45 | wick2o | that may not be a smart thing to do depending on what you have in there |
| 16:36.52 | dutchfish | MrWup, chears |
| 16:37.05 | MrWup | except that I don't know of any linux groupware solutions |
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| 16:37.25 | abrotman | famir: install acpid |
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| 16:37.35 | MrWup | cause after hours of googling and asking people, there don't seem to be any options |
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| 16:38.04 | famir | abrotman: done ! |
| 16:38.12 | abrotman | is it running ? |
| 16:38.14 | famir | abrotman: now what ? |
| 16:38.23 | famir | abrotman: no |
| 16:38.57 | famir | abrotman: it sound like its working but i dont feel the air coming |
| 16:39.00 | dutchfish | MrWup, its hard labour to get it right i admit, but your best bets are exchange4linux, openxchange, evolution, and a lot of other commercial available solutions |
| 16:39.05 | abrotman | it sounds like the fan is working ? |
| 16:39.19 | famir | abrotman: yes |
| 16:39.20 | MrWup | dutchfish, ok thanks, i'll look |
| 16:39.22 | abrotman | famir: most fans now are variable speed .. so it might be running slowly .. |
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| 16:39.48 | daeos | how can i tell what driver im using for my netgear wireless adapter? |
| 16:39.53 | dutchfish | MrWup, as an example you could delve into BenHur mfs |
| 16:40.08 | daeos | if its madwifi_ng or something else? |
| 16:40.09 | famir | abrotman: i had this package "acpid" |
| 16:40.14 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How can I show how much space is left on my harddrive? |
| 16:40.35 | famir | abrotman: acpid is already the newest version. |
| 16:40.37 | abrotman | df -h |
| 16:40.50 | abrotman | famir: do you think the laptop is overheating ? |
| 16:41.01 | abrotman | daeos: ethtool |
| 16:41.02 | suppaman | bye |
| 16:41.04 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Thanks, abrotman |
| 16:41.08 | wick2o | abrotman, it should like his laptop is overheating |
| 16:41.20 | abrotman | there are apps to control the fan IIRC |
| 16:41.20 | factotum | wow, i just got a half hour ban on ##Linux for saying cracker |
| 16:41.34 | famir | abrotman: im not sure! i just know its keep restarting every few hours |
| 16:41.37 | abrotman | you deserved it |
| 16:41.42 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 16:41.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:41.50 | factotum | just because someone called me a n*gger |
| 16:41.52 | abrotman | famir: $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 16:41.53 | abrotman | temperature: 51 C |
| 16:41.56 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 16:41.58 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ping |
| 16:42.08 | abrotman | factotum: what makes you think we care? |
| 16:42.20 | factotum | i dont, i just thought it was funny |
| 16:42.35 | wick2o | well, its not |
| 16:42.42 | factotum | you didnt have to respond you know |
| 16:42.44 | famir | cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory |
| 16:42.49 | wick2o | :) |
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| 16:43.34 | abrotman | factotum: give Fieldy a hug and kiss for me :) |
| 16:43.40 | abrotman | famir: do you even have /proc/acpi/ ? |
| 16:43.41 | factotum | ew no |
| 16:43.42 | daeos | abrotman: was the ethtool for wireless also? or for ethernet adapters only? |
| 16:43.51 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 16:44.00 | daeos | abrotman: i love you responses |
| 16:44.03 | daeos | your* |
| 16:44.05 | abrotman | mine works for both |
| 16:44.13 | famir | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:44.19 | dutchfish | how can i read out the actual timeslice per sec that is compiled into the kernel? |
| 16:44.20 | abrotman | famir: is there anything in it ? |
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| 16:44.38 | famir | abrotman: yea |
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| 16:44.50 | abrotman | anything thatlooks useful ? |
| 16:45.13 | famir | abrotman: got no idea im kind of new to linux |
| 16:45.29 | MrWup | this might be a long shot... but is it possible for things like egroupware to interface with an active directory server to check login credentials with? so a user can be logged onto the egroupware server by the connector with their domain login credentials and it jsut logs on and connects automatically? |
| 16:45.31 | daeos | abrotman: ... would you suggest using updatedb EVERY time a package is installed? |
| 16:45.45 | abrotman | that's up to you .. mine happens about once a month :) |
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| 16:46.19 | trentster | How do I bring up an ethernet interface without binding and ip and without using dhcp, eg if i type ifconfig i want to see eth0 eth1 eth2 in the list but no ips assigned? |
| 16:46.29 | daeos | abrotman: i just find it easier to find things if i do it every time i install a new package |
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| 16:46.33 | dutchfish | MrWup, its as simple as connecting Kerberos and winS support to your login routine |
| 16:46.42 | abrotman | daeos: once a day should work ? |
| 16:46.47 | dutchfish | MrWup, not to mention ldap |
| 16:46.53 | famir | abrotman: HELP ME PLEASE :( |
| 16:47.01 | abrotman | famir: what directories are in there? |
| 16:47.17 | abrotman | famir: we can't even be certain it's overheating .. it could be from you bending the screen |
| 16:47.27 | daeos | I swear... as often as abrotman is in here, he should be paid |
| 16:47.28 | daeos | !abrotman |
| 16:47.28 | dpkg | methinks abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 16:47.56 | mfrisch | ha ha |
| 16:48.08 | dutchfish | ~.~ |
| 16:48.33 | numan | abrotman: |
| 16:48.38 | MrWup | dutchfish, kerberos is a domain login credential server right? |
| 16:48.48 | abrotman | numan: |
| 16:48.53 | MrWup | dutchfish, you supply credentials to kerberos and it validates them and tells you if the login is valid? |
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| 16:49.14 | xingu | kerberos guards the gates of hell |
| 16:49.24 | dutchfish | MrWup, you can figure this out, my advise read read and when you wanne ask something read again |
| 16:49.29 | numan | abrotman: i got xchat now but still cant solve my sound problem |
| 16:49.34 | xingu | it's kind of apt that msft standardised on a bent version of it. |
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| 16:50.56 | abrotman | !tell numan about alsa one-liner |
| 16:50.59 | abrotman | !tell numan about alsa-checklist |
| 16:51.03 | kuba_ | hey again.what i have to type to check if if have for example gcc installed? |
| 16:51.10 | trentster | How do I bring up an ethernet interface without binding and ip and without using dhcp, eg if i type ifconfig i want to see eth0 eth1 eth2 in the list but no ips assigned? |
| 16:51.24 | mfrisch | kuba_: which gcc ? |
| 16:51.25 | Malf | anyone here know offhand how I can tell the opensshd config to require that incoming requests provide a key that it'll check against? |
| 16:51.26 | abrotman | ifup ? |
| 16:51.33 | dutchfish | trentster, impossible |
| 16:51.52 | jimmybgood | trentster: ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 16:53.10 | numan | abrotman: alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 16:53.25 | dutchfish | jimmybgood, trentster you need 1: hardware 2: tun/tap device first |
| 16:53.41 | sandman__ | I'm trying out the new d-i, and once I get to the part where it's supposed to install the base system, it fails, saying "debootstrap: BAD signature from "debian archive automatic signing key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 16:53.43 | abrotman | read the rest |
| 16:53.51 | sandman__ | I cannot find a thing on the internet about it |
| 16:54.04 | abrotman | sandman__: which version? |
| 16:54.09 | jimmybgood | dutchfish: try it |
| 16:54.30 | xingu | !topicsmite sandman__ |
| 16:54.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sandman__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:54.47 | rvalles | 7t |
| 16:55.04 | dutchfish | jimmybgood, you will get this: ERROR while getting interface |
| 16:55.43 | abrotman | sandman__: did you get RC2 or a daily ? |
| 16:55.50 | dutchfish | jimmybgood, or i missed something? |
| 16:56.12 | sandman__ | Not sure yet |
| 16:56.17 | jimmybgood | dutchfish: i just tried it -it works for me |
| 16:56.27 | trentster | dutchfish, have the physical hardware nics in the pc,,,,, |
| 16:56.29 | sandman__ | It was a netinstall image |
| 16:56.40 | dutchfish | jimmybgood, then you have already recongnized interfaces |
| 16:56.53 | dutchfish | trentster, ok |
| 16:56.53 | trentster | jimmybgood, thanks, but i want them in the up state t boot ime.. |
| 16:57.00 | mfrisch | sandman__: you were debootstraping right? |
| 16:57.28 | mfrisch | sandman__: or was that the error from the installer ? |
| 16:57.36 | jimmybgood | trentster: put the ifconfig arguments in a script and drop it in /etc/rc.boot |
| 16:58.04 | dutchfish | jimmybgood, normally udev will take care of this |
| 16:58.09 | omg0 | I have xmms, cdplayer working. Sound works. But I cannot get sound coming from VLC. All the volumes are up. Can I get a suggestion? |
| 16:58.14 | trentster | jimmybgood, thanks |
| 16:58.34 | jimmybgood | dutchfish: ah - I don't mess with udev |
| 16:58.36 | mfrisch | omg0: use alsa in vlc? |
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| 16:59.31 | omg0 | mfrisch, is that something I configure from VLC? I didn't see that option |
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| 17:00.48 | mfrisch | omg0: hhm I donn't see it either. |
| 17:01.12 | LinuxNIT | is there a log of what was last installed on the system ? like with apt/syanaptic |
| 17:02.01 | warjets | dpkg -l |
| 17:02.06 | abrotman | in etch/sid .. /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:02.14 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
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| 17:02.47 | numan | abrotman: how to get java through apt-get? |
| 17:03.11 | abrotman | apt-cache search java |
| 17:03.19 | mfrisch | omg0: weird my audio is working in vlc. You sure you are using alsa. run alsamixer and see whats up with the settings |
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| 17:05.34 | HardDisk_WP | !seen valdyn |
| 17:05.36 | dpkg | valdyn is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 143 messages. Is idling for 45m 47s, last said: 'nunu: sorry, that was for numan'. |
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| 17:07.33 | hatta | has anyone else had problems installing reportbug? |
| 17:07.57 | abrotman | with python ? |
| 17:08.02 | hatta | yes |
| 17:08.11 | abrotman | it's in the BTS |
| 17:08.29 | hatta | so a fix is forthcoming then |
| 17:08.41 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 17:08.42 | abrotman | like that ? |
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| 17:09.38 | Stp1800 | Any of you guys ever used the flowscan program with the cuflow plugin? |
| 17:09.56 | hatta | yeah pretty much |
| 17:10.31 | abrotman | hatta: i guess the answer is to wait a day or two ? i don't see a solution there |
| 17:11.21 | abrotman | or run aptitude update and make sure it hasn't already been fixed |
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| 17:11.53 | hatta | yeah I've done that a couple times |
| 17:12.32 | numan | abrotman: it listed many progrm details |
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| 17:12.43 | abrotman | numan: do any of them look like the java you want ? |
| 17:12.47 | abrotman | !install java |
| 17:12.48 | dpkg | [install java] First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 17:13.24 | omg0 | mfrisch, got master up, pcm up, 0 on FM, line is up, cd is up, mic is up, pc speaker is up, aux is p |
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| 17:15.43 | Maerz | can i set up an own dns server that get its db from the one of my provider ? so that i got all dns entrys cached ? |
| 17:16.06 | mfrisch | omg0: put everything up unless you get horrible feedback. |
| 17:16.22 | numan | abrotman: it gives me this--> gij - The GNU Java bytecode interpreter |
| 17:16.22 | numan | gij-4.1 - The GNU Java bytecode interpreter |
| 17:16.22 | numan | jamvm - virtual machine which conforms to JVM specification 2 |
| 17:16.22 | numan | kaffe-jthreads - A green threads enabled version of the Kaffe VM |
| 17:16.22 | numan | kaffe-pthreads - A POSIX threads enabled version of the Kaffe VM |
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| 17:16.29 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:16.41 | sandman__ | The version of d-i I was using when I got that error was RC2, btw |
| 17:16.55 | abrotman | sandman__: there's a way to turn off the GPG check |
| 17:17.42 | kromagg | omg0: go to vlc settings, audio->output modules, tick "advanced options", what is it using as output module? |
| 17:17.55 | sandman__ | How? |
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| 17:18.22 | daeos | abrotman: is 2.6.8-3-686 out of date for Sarge ? someone on kismet told me it is |
| 17:19.00 | abrotman | not for sarge it isn't |
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| 17:19.11 | mfrisch | kromagg: unless you are using a different version of vlc there is none |
| 17:19.14 | crazy_penguin | Hello to all! |
| 17:19.14 | numan | abrotman:you received my detailed message due to which i was kicked |
| 17:19.17 | abrotman | sandman__: i don't know off the top of my head .. ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | numan: no i didn't |
| 17:19.25 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:19.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:19.29 | abrotman | !tell numan about non-free |
| 17:19.42 | kromagg | mfrisch: I thought that had always been in there |
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| 17:20.24 | Maxigraf | hi, can anyone help me? i'm trying to compile hostap driver on my 2.6.18-4 system, i adjusted the makefile so it won't generate the "can't build non-2.6 source on 2.6 kernel" or sth, but it's trying to compile the files and then aborts because all the source files are deleted... |
| 17:20.31 | wols | numan: stupidity I'd say. 19:16 -!- numan was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 17:21.00 | mfrisch | kromagg: think they dropped oss and made alsa a default. I will make a screenshot if you want. but it only mentions different stuff (alsa option) |
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| 17:22.05 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ping |
| 17:22.08 | kromagg | mfrisch: I'm using the sid version atm and it allows you to pick your output module on advanced settings, don't have the stable version to test but I'd think it would have the same |
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| 17:23.26 | kromagg | ah it used to be a plugin |
| 17:23.27 | omg0 | kromagg, when you say output, Are you speaking of stream output? |
| 17:23.39 | mfrisch | kromagg: I'm on sid too. HOW? I don't believe you. ;-) |
| 17:23.45 | kromagg | "Audio output module" |
| 17:23.57 | kromagg | mfrisch: tick the advanced options box in the bottom left |
| 17:24.05 | kromagg | omg0: are you on sid or on sarge? |
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| 17:24.10 | numan | abrotman: you received my message through pastebot? |
| 17:24.14 | kromagg | mfrisch: bottom right sry |
| 17:24.25 | abrotman | no |
| 17:24.29 | abrotman | !tell numan about non-free |
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| 17:24.35 | abrotman | !tell numan about install java |
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| 17:24.59 | mfrisch | kromagg: you running i686 maybe this amd-64 one is alsa only. |
| 17:25.09 | omg0 | kromagg, I found something. Settings -> Pref ->audio -> output modules; It was set to default |
| 17:25.30 | sandman__ | oftc? |
| 17:25.32 | kromagg | mfrisch: ah okay but I think he's more likely to have the i386 version :) |
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| 17:25.42 | abrotman | sandman__: irc.oftc.net |
| 17:25.51 | kromagg | omg0: if you're on sarge, do you have vlc-plugin-alsa installed? |
| 17:25.53 | sandman__ | I have a scrollback, I know what you said :) |
| 17:26.01 | sandman__ | I've just never heard of it before |
| 17:26.03 | edju | I'm trying to find info on dhcp lease times, and found /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient..eth0.leases. The times are in some non-human format, though. Anyone know how to interpre it? |
| 17:26.23 | kromagg | omg0: if on sid, try playing with the output settings a bit |
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| 17:26.50 | abrotman | edju: give an example |
| 17:26.57 | salicyl | my printer (canon pixma mp150) dosn't work under debian. i already downloaded the gutenprint driver and installed it with "lpadmin -p Canon_MP150 -E -v usb://Canon/MP150 -m gutenprint/ppds/Canon/Canon-MULTIPASS_MP150-gutenprint.5.0-en.ppd.gz" but when i like to printout a page it goes to the spooler, but the printer doesn't print the page, do somebody know what i can do? |
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| 17:27.42 | r121 | Does anybody know which package provides the "watch" command? |
| 17:27.55 | edju | abrotman, option dhcp-renewal-time 2147483647 |
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| 17:28.10 | abrotman | !tell r121 about search |
| 17:28.15 | abrotman | edju: is that a unix timestamp ? |
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| 17:28.39 | edju | abrotman, I don't know. |
| 17:28.49 | Maxigraf | whenever i'm trying to compile the hostap-source, all of the source files are deleted, why is this happening? |
| 17:29.18 | kromagg | uh that's usually the time in seconds |
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| 17:29.25 | kromagg | if I'm not mistaken |
| 17:29.44 | mfrisch | kromagg: probally miliseconds |
| 17:29.58 | abrotman | since 1970 i'dguess |
| 17:30.20 | abrotman | eh .. maybe not |
| 17:30.24 | abrotman | $ date +%s |
| 17:30.24 | abrotman | 1175967007 |
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| 17:30.35 | edju | Is there an easier way to get info on dhcp leases? |
| 17:30.48 | omg0 | kromagg, what command would I use to see if vlc-plugin-alsa is installed |
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| 17:31.04 | abrotman | dpkg -l vlc* |
| 17:31.04 | dpkg | ii vlc* 3.6-4.3 abrotman's private stamp collection |
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| 17:32.53 | kromagg | omg0: what abrotman just did, or apt-cache policy |
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| 17:33.42 | omg0 | kromagg, un vlc-plugin-als <none> (no description available) |
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| 17:34.59 | kromagg | omg0: yeah it's not installed, if you don't have OSS emulation enabled that is probably the reason you're not getting sound, try installing that package, restart vlc and see if it works (this is still assuming you're using sarge!) |
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| 17:35.13 | nn-away | hi |
| 17:35.22 | mfrisch | kromagg: I missed the sarge factor. |
| 17:35.40 | kromagg | well it would help if omg0 would tell us what he's using :P |
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| 17:36.05 | nn-away | what is the command that will alow me to iclate a user to onily beable to view or edit his home directory files |
| 17:36.18 | abrotman | chroot or jail |
| 17:36.19 | omg0 | kromagg, etch |
| 17:36.40 | mfrisch | kromagg: ;-( |
| 17:36.54 | daeos | abrotman: what would be a current version then? |
| 17:37.04 | abrotman | version of what ? |
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| 17:38.13 | hatta | hm, what command line tools would one use to manipulate .m4a metadata? |
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| 17:38.26 | kromagg | omg0: then you don't need that package, try setting your output module to "alsa", then go to the also options, click "refresh list" and explicitly click the device you want |
| 17:38.30 | nn-away | ?? jail |
| 17:38.41 | kromagg | omg0: I assume you checked if "enable sound" is on? |
| 17:39.00 | kromagg | s/also/alsa/ |
| 17:39.09 | nn-away | I need a auto matic script or add user option |
| 17:39.31 | abrotman | !jail |
| 17:39.35 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 17:39.35 | dpkg | [chroot] a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 17:40.09 | nn-away | chroot may change the direcotry but it dosen't lock the user to the home |
| 17:40.16 | kromagg | omg0: you are using the default debian kernel right? |
| 17:41.20 | nn-away | i also need it to not allow users to not beable to nano less etc other users files |
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| 17:42.15 | yang | for php3 to work with apache1.3 are there any extra packages needed? |
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| 17:42.37 | mr_dd-away | hi |
| 17:42.41 | reisii-away | moin |
| 17:42.52 | mr_dd-away | hi @ all |
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| 17:43.20 | abrotman | yang: libapache-mod-php3 ? |
| 17:43.46 | omg0 | kromagg, audio is enabled. I have output set to alsa, have es which is my hardware selected |
| 17:43.55 | yang | abrotman: that isn't for sarge |
| 17:44.13 | yang | abrotman: those are php4 php5 only |
| 17:44.13 | abrotman | is php3 even in sarge ? |
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| 17:45.00 | abrotman | yang: moment |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | yang: why are you using php3 ? |
| 17:45.23 | yang | abrotman: becouse php4 and php5 is aksing for apache2 dependancie |
| 17:45.30 | abrotman | php4 won't |
| 17:45.48 | abrotman | install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 17:46.04 | abrotman | it's just php3 .. you'll have to make sure the LoadModule line is uncommneted |
| 17:46.27 | daeos | abrotman: i was talking about a newest version of debian that is considered 'new' |
| 17:46.31 | yang | ok |
| 17:46.44 | abrotman | daeos: sarge is still the stable release |
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| 17:47.02 | daeos | well i've got the channel of kismet telling me that sarge is too old |
| 17:47.08 | daeos | regardless of 'stable' |
| 17:47.33 | abrotman | is this for a workstatoin ? |
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| 17:49.42 | blizzow | Anyone here know of a good tutorial for upgrading the kernel on a debian 4.0 release? I'm looking to recompile 2.6.19 or higher with LUKS capability. 2.6.18 does not play nicely with my wireless card. |
| 17:50.15 | HardDisk_WP | !make-kpkg |
| 17:50.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 17:50.35 | HardDisk_WP | blizzow, ^^ |
| 17:50.54 | blizzow | thanks HardDisk_WP |
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| 17:51.03 | HardDisk_WP | no problem |
| 17:51.06 | nn-away | where is a good permition how to for dummies |
| 17:51.40 | nn-away | aswell as a server howto |
| 17:51.41 | bonez39 | I can print a help file, such as for diff thus 'diff --help | lpr' but that prints to the linux default..which is networked .. I want to print to a deskjet while is at lp0 what would the context be? |
| 17:52.01 | daeos | how cna i check what version of a package i have installed like... madwifi and kismet ? |
| 17:52.20 | nn-away | Because i need to lern grupes permitions users etc.. |
| 17:53.09 | LightKnight | daeos: dpkg -l <pkg> or apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | daeos: is this for a workstatoin ? |
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| 17:56.35 | bonez39 | I have three memory slots in my linux box...one slot has 256M module, the next has 128 M module and the third's label shows 128x2...at boot, it shows 294912k of total system memory.....how can I get all the memory ? |
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| 17:59.52 | wols | try to put thr doublesided one to first slot |
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| 18:00.04 | wols | but zhis is OT: #hardware |
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| 18:01.33 | omg0 | I got it working |
| 18:01.57 | kromagg | omg0: what turned out to be the problem? |
| 18:02.06 | delire | i'm looking for a online gallery generator (thumbnails, HTML etc). any reccommedations? gthumb seems to generate JPEG's with bad headers. bug forthcoming. |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | delire: igal ? |
| 18:03.22 | delire | abrotman: cheers, i'll give it a go. |
| 18:03.46 | omg0 | kromagg, # apt-get vlc-* |
| 18:04.04 | nn-away | ok there i finally somewhat understan chmod |
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| 18:05.09 | xjkx | http://sial.org/pbot/paste please if anyone knows a software that genereates this kind of file, tell me |
| 18:05.19 | omg0 | kromagg, I guess I was missing pieces because I put the settings back to default and it played |
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| 18:05.28 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a ID3v2.4 manager for mp3 files? |
| 18:05.40 | HardDisk_WP | I have ~ 300 MP3s to check and fix... |
| 18:06.15 | eisen | xjkx: ? |
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| 18:07.14 | xjkx | eisen, a guy made links for CDROM ACESS and things like that on a folder named "My Computer" i think he done that with a software, the content of the link is what i pasted |
| 18:07.28 | omg0 | ok. every weekend I knock down 1 problems |
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| 18:07.45 | eisen | xjkx: that link does not point to where you think it does I believe |
| 18:08.20 | xjkx | eisen, i dont even know if i can call it a link, it does some commands depending on what you do, if you click it mounts cdrom, if you right click and put umount it umounts |
| 18:08.21 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, there're lots. IMO, amarok has the best tagging implementation |
| 18:08.29 | nn-away | where is the directory that it copys to the defualt home |
| 18:08.32 | krazykit | HardDisk_WP, though there are things like easytag that'll do it too |
| 18:08.35 | eisen | xjkx: check the paste url |
| 18:08.43 | omg0 | now to figure out how to configure out to set it to be the default for the browser or as helper application for mms at least |
| 18:08.55 | HardDisk_WP | krazykit, k |
| 18:08.59 | xjkx | oh sry eisen |
| 18:09.08 | xjkx | http://sial.org/pbot/24069 |
| 18:09.09 | xjkx | :D |
| 18:09.49 | nn-away | ?? |
| 18:10.10 | abrotman | !tell jackal about away |
| 18:10.22 | abrotman | tard |
| 18:10.42 | xjkx | ;o |
| 18:10.45 | apt-apt | does adobe flash player 9 work with epiphany? |
| 18:10.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:11.06 | apt-apt | thanks |
| 18:11.56 | xjkx | abrotman, is our the flash player 9 open source?the one used by apt-get? |
| 18:12.02 | xjkx | downloaded by* |
| 18:12.17 | eisen | xjkx: I think those files get created when you create a link to a device somewhere in most DEs. |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | xjkx: does adobe have any open source software ? |
| 18:12.50 | capiira | flex sdk |
| 18:12.53 | xjkx | i dont know much about adobe, but i guess not by what you said :< |
| 18:12.59 | capiira | mxml shell |
| 18:12.59 | xand | they made pdf open source ;p |
| 18:13.14 | xjkx | abrotman, will try, should i just ln -s /dev/thing ? |
| 18:13.24 | xand | or whatever |
| 18:13.31 | eisen | xjkx: kde creates a very similar file when I create a link to the media entry someplace. |
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| 18:13.51 | Thms | I installed the linux headers 2.6.20 sucessfully but when I reboot it is still 2.6.18 in grub and update-grub doesn't solve this problem, how to do ? |
| 18:13.57 | xjkx | eisen, problem is that i use fluxbox xD |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | xjkx: what /dev/ thing ? |
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| 18:14.12 | xjkx | abrotman, sorry i meant eisen :> |
| 18:14.20 | eisen | do those .desktop files even work in fluxbox? |
| 18:14.23 | omg0 | kromagg, I guess for documentation purpose or just to know here are the packages that were installed. You might see the aha stuff in there. http://pastebin.ca/428591 |
| 18:14.38 | Coweater | xand: pdf is just a fancy postscript file, they took an open format and played with it is all |
| 18:14.48 | xjkx | his ones dont because it uses kfcmclient, but if i edit it, it works |
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| 18:15.02 | eisen | I see |
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| 18:15.29 | blitz\away | anyone use fluxbox? |
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| 18:15.42 | krazykit | !anyone use fluxbox |
| 18:15.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses fluxbox, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:15.44 | eisen | there is documentation about .desktop files on freedesktop.org iirc. |
| 18:15.55 | eisen | it's somewhat standardized |
| 18:15.56 | blitz\away | ;p; |
| 18:15.58 | krazykit | fluxbox doesn't use .desktop files for anything |
| 18:16.00 | blitz\away | lol* |
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| 18:16.22 | krazykit | as i recall, the menu system is an xml-like text file |
| 18:16.33 | blitz\away | yeah |
| 18:16.41 | followingmy_hear | im using ubuntu and needing a driver for my nvidia gforce5500fx |
| 18:16.47 | blitz\away | im wondering if anyone knows what icon pack this guy uses: http://fluxbox.org/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg |
| 18:16.48 | krazykit | followingmy_hear, /join #ubuntu |
| 18:17.00 | followingmy_hear | cant im banned |
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| 18:17.04 | followingmy_hear | lol |
| 18:17.04 | eisen | lol |
| 18:17.45 | krazykit | followingmy_hear, then you're definitely not getting help here. debian isn't ubuntu |
| 18:17.45 | krazykit | and ubuntu isn't debian |
| 18:17.46 | followingmy_hear | so ubuntu isnt debian based? |
| 18:17.46 | guru | i mounted a new partition (reiserfs) and it's been a very long time since i've done this...how do i mount it so that any user can write to it? |
| 18:17.46 | svara | hi.. i'm running debian sarge and tried compiling a driver for my usb wifi card. i got a lot of messages about syntax errors in kernel include files. they all seemed to be caused by the compiler not knowing about size_t and the like. i think those stdint.h types became standard in c99 (?). how can i make gcc include those by default? |
| 18:17.48 | krazykit | followingmy_hear, key word being based. they're not the same. |
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| 18:18.33 | followingmy_hear | people like you that actually thing you know it all are the reason im banned from other channels |
| 18:18.44 | followingmy_hear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.58 | krazykit | nah, looks like you're bringing it upon yourself by being abusive |
| 18:19.01 | guru | ahh nevermind, i mounted it as ro |
| 18:19.02 | reamonned | hello... |
| 18:19.09 | reamonned | anyone to help me out? |
| 18:19.28 | omg0 | kromagg, here is the new list from dpkg -l vlc* http://pastebin.ca/428596 |
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| 18:19.58 | capiira | lol |
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| 18:20.48 | luigi_ | reamonned, try this: hi all, my problem is [...] |
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| 18:22.06 | abrotman | !ask |
| 18:22.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:22.12 | nn-away | what is the defult permition code |
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| 18:22.39 | reamonned | I have just installed Debian.... while trying to log in.... it refuses to accept my password...I tried to see the status of users allowed to enter gnome interface with the root pass but there is no user in the list...only the username nobody stated...what do you think I could do? |
| 18:22.45 | omg0 | kromagg, http://pastebin.ca/428602 |
| 18:23.10 | omg0 | kromagg, the list before the upgrade/re-install |
| 18:23.24 | reamonned | excuse my lack of knowledge concerning technical terms |
| 18:23.32 | reamonned | and of course my english |
| 18:23.46 | jamesfoo | reamonned, did the installer ask you for a username to create the first user with? |
| 18:24.15 | nn-away | to make my file useabel but not all excutable |
| 18:24.19 | bonez39 | wols, no matter which slot I install each module in...I get the same 294912k of memory at boot |
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| 18:24.55 | reamonned | well (my father says so...he told me all the info...{he put in the user data cause its on his machine}) |
| 18:25.43 | luigi_ | reamonned, why don't you create another user? #adduser palicari then enter the password twice, ctrl+alt+ backspace, type exit, login + passwd, startx |
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| 18:26.32 | abrotman | more than twice ... |
| 18:26.43 | abrotman | eh .. it'll ask for other info |
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| 18:27.51 | reamonned | ok |
| 18:28.00 | capiira | yeah name of your dog and how long your bingo is :) |
| 18:28.03 | abrotman | or you could call your dad ? |
| 18:28.13 | reamonned | Ill try it and come back |
| 18:28.17 | capiira | good idea |
| 18:28.34 | reamonned | by the way... |
| 18:28.39 | mhall | Has anybody ever had a problem where you set up a GNU auto-build (you know auto{conf,make,...}) and for some reason it generates a messed up compilation statement such as: cd . && /bin/sh /home/mhall/xine-hd-0.9/xine-hd-ui-0.99.4/missing --run aclocal-1.9 -I /aclocal -I m4 aclocal: couldn't open directory `/aclocal': No such file or directory |
| 18:28.41 | reamonned | whats palicari? |
| 18:28.52 | capiira | hehe the username |
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| 18:29.02 | reamonned | you speak greek? |
| 18:29.08 | capiira | no |
| 18:29.11 | reamonned | lol |
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| 18:29.21 | reamonned | in greek it means lad... |
| 18:29.38 | capiira | eheh was not my sentence |
| 18:29.42 | reamonned | ok |
| 18:29.45 | reamonned | see ya!!! |
| 18:29.46 | luigi_ | pal in greek, it's just an example - use any name |
| 18:29.48 | capiira | ciao |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | mhall: /aclocal seems bad |
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| 18:31.03 | capiira | hmm the kde from experimental works very well companed to the gnome of experimental hehe |
| 18:31.03 | capiira | r |
| 18:31.03 | mhall | abrotman: right, but i can't figure out how it generated that |
| 18:31.13 | mhall | abrotman: i looked all over, and tried overriding the environment var in make that contained the bad data, but no luck |
| 18:31.26 | mhall | abrotman: what kind of thing did it actually really *want* to include? |
| 18:31.33 | mhall | abrotman: maybe i can symlink to it and move on |
| 18:31.57 | abrotman | /usr/share/aclocal/ ? NFC |
| 18:32.04 | h3sp4wn | capiira: Its alot less packages |
| 18:32.25 | h3sp4wn | capiira: (and the main maintainer doesn't get paid to work on ubuntu first) |
| 18:32.25 | mhall | abrotman: i'll try symlinking and just see if i can get it to go away then, or maybe i'll try a --...aclocal command line to the configure script |
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| 18:34.45 | mhall | abrotman: thanks for the idea btw |
| 18:34.46 | jorgp | heh, there is basicly only 11 real bugs in etch |
| 18:34.56 | mhall | abrotman: cause i googled the hell out of it and nobody else ever had the problem |
| 18:35.05 | abrotman | tried asking #gcc ? |
| 18:35.10 | abrotman | though it's not really their issue |
| 18:35.13 | mhall | abrotman: hmm... good idea |
| 18:35.22 | abrotman | or #c etc .. or even #gnu |
| 18:35.28 | mhall | abrotman: yeah but maybe they'll know another place i could go to |
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| 18:35.57 | krazykit | i'd think there was |
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| 18:36.39 | mhall | abrotman: linking to usr/share/aclocal seems to make it go away |
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| 18:36.49 | abrotman | that seems wrong |
| 18:36.59 | zinx | mhall: did you compile autoconf/automake yourself? |
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| 18:37.11 | mhall | abrotman: i didn't wanna complain to the devs if i could just get it to work because they would just say 'works on MY machine' |
| 18:37.20 | mhall | zinx: i've done that before, but not on this box |
| 18:37.32 | mhall | zinx: i use debian packages as much as i can |
| 18:37.38 | zinx | mhall: strange |
| 18:37.42 | abrotman | mhall: RC bug! |
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| 18:38.25 | zinx | mhall: grep acdir /usr/bin/aclocal |
| 18:38.35 | piper69 | hi all |
| 18:39.08 | mhall | fucking hell. something else is hosed. |
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| 18:39.26 | mhall | zinx: $acdir = '/usr/share/aclocal'; |
| 18:39.32 | piper69 | i am a confused with the umask, can someone explain it to me please? |
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| 18:41.15 | slocate | where does dnsmasq put the dns queries?? |
| 18:41.31 | slocate | ..logs |
| 18:41.37 | zinx | mhall: hum, possibly isolated to that project.. try running aclocal yourself |
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| 18:42.58 | mhall | zinx: ok |
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| 18:44.51 | abrotman | !umask |
| 18:44.52 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa |
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| 18:45.07 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 18:45.08 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
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| 18:45.30 | jelly-home | ooh, 24 |
| 18:45.37 | zinx | abrotman: i suspect the question is more "somebody please explain to me octal and binary" |
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| 18:45.46 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 18:45.47 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 18:45.51 | abrotman | better ? :) |
| 18:46.00 | mhall | zinx: ok, i blew away the source and recreated |
| 18:46.13 | zinx | mhall: does aclocal work if run manually, though? |
| 18:46.17 | MrWup | when i do an apt-get how do i tell it to download and install a completely new fresh copy of whatever it is |
| 18:46.21 | mhall | zinx: preparing to try it |
| 18:46.24 | MrWup | completely overwriting anything thats previously there |
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| 18:46.36 | kodemonk | -purge |
| 18:46.53 | MrWup | i tried that |
| 18:46.59 | MrWup | pruge doesnt seem to destroy it completely |
| 18:47.05 | mhall | zinx: some of its macros are not defined |
| 18:47.35 | daeos | abrotman: what type of overhaul would it be to go from sarge to etch , and also... etch is not 'stable' is it? |
| 18:47.35 | zinx | mhall: you need some -dev packages |
| 18:47.36 | kodemonk | apt-get remove --purge <package_name> |
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| 18:47.43 | kodemonk | that would delete config files |
| 18:47.46 | zinx | mhall: but.. that does mean it's not aclocal that's broken, it's either autoconf or automake |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | !tell daeos about sarge->etch |
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| 18:48.15 | zinx | mhall: possibly even autoheader i suppose :x |
| 18:48.16 | MrWup | kodemonk, yeah i tried that it doesnt get rid of it properly |
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| 18:48.36 | zinx | mhall: does it happen when you do autoconf? then, try automake (order is somewhat important) |
| 18:48.45 | mhall | zinx: ok |
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| 18:49.04 | kodemonk | from debian.og documentation: |
| 18:49.13 | kodemonk | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 18:49.26 | kodemonk | read 3.3 section |
| 18:49.37 | kodemonk | For a complete removal of the package, run: |
| 18:49.37 | kodemonk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.48 | kodemonk | it should work |
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| 18:50.08 | slocate | where does dnsmasq put the dns queries?? |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | right .. it should |
| 18:50.17 | slocate | anybody knows? |
| 18:50.30 | abrotman | !tell MrWup about confmiss |
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| 18:53.09 | kingsley | slocate: I use dnsmasq. If you can wait a few minutes, I may be able to answer your question. |
| 18:53.15 | mango | hi, I have just install debian etch on my new ibm x60 laptop. I have added the non-fee to the end of each lin in the sourcelist of apt, dowloaded the file ipw3945d. but I still don't get it working...help pleaswe |
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| 18:53.22 | yang | I am trying to get the sound out of my leadtek 2000 tv card, it used to work before but now the driver bt878 says: bt878: probe of 0000:00:09.1 failed with error -22 |
| 18:53.29 | daeos | abrotman: in your opinion..... |
| 18:53.29 | slocate | kingsley: ok |
| 18:53.30 | Thms | I installed the linux headers 2.6.20 sucessfully but when I reboot it is still 2.6.18 in grub and update-grub doesn't solve this problem, how to do ? |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | mango: m-a a-i ipw3945 ? |
| 18:53.37 | abrotman | daeos: it's easy |
| 18:53.39 | abrotman | !tell daeos about sarge->etch |
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| 18:53.47 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 18:53.47 | dpkg | ipw3945 is probably http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 18:54.15 | daeos | abrotman: is etch any better than sarge? or is there any issues with apache/php/mysql ? |
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| 18:54.40 | abrotman | daeos: etch is to be released within a few days .. so you might as well beat the rush |
| 18:55.32 | m0rbid | Anyone able to assist me with a few problems, or perhaps show me where the "Idiot Docs" are at online? I am having troubles with Xine/Mplayer reading dvd's. |
| 18:55.47 | abrotman | libdvdcss ? |
| 18:55.52 | abrotman | erm ..libdecss ? |
| 18:55.52 | m0rbid | not found |
| 18:55.54 | pingouin | ....a few days..... ? ;) |
| 18:55.56 | m0rbid | I searched all over |
| 18:55.58 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 18:55.58 | dpkg | somebody said wwer was http://release.debian.org/etch-timeline |
| 18:56.00 | abrotman | pingouin: ^^ |
| 18:56.12 | abrotman | m0rbid: tried asking #mplayer ? |
| 18:56.17 | m0rbid | then name of the package changed? |
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| 18:56.30 | m0rbid | abrotman: I come to where I I know people. =) |
| 18:56.37 | krazykit | libdvdcss isn't in the debian repos. debian-multimedia has it though. |
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| 18:56.47 | m0rbid | abrotman: I trust you dudes (and dudettes) first. |
| 18:57.02 | anapivirtua | Bonne soirée les gens. |
| 18:57.13 | kingsley | slocate: It looks like dnsmasq forwards DNS inquiries to the servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf. Does that answer your question? |
| 18:57.28 | m0rbid | krazykit: I tried adding debian-multi to my sources.list, I get errors on the update process about security keys. |
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| 18:57.29 | abrotman | doesn't it cache the results? |
| 18:57.36 | abrotman | slocate: it might keep them in memory |
| 18:58.02 | krazykit | m0rbid, aaah. the packages are signed. on the main page it says how to import his key |
| 18:58.14 | abrotman | !marillat key |
| 18:58.15 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 18:58.18 | slocate | kingsley: hence the, dns forwarder |
| 18:58.35 | slocate | kingsley: hence the description, dns forwarder |
| 18:58.40 | krazykit | m0rbid, uh, maybe not on the main page. it's somewhere |
| 18:59.01 | krazykit | m0rbid, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 18:59.05 | m0rbid | so testing will be released soon? Did I stuble onto the correct assumption? |
| 18:59.05 | krazykit | first question ;-) |
| 18:59.16 | m0rbid | krazykit: thanks man, Ill go give it a looksie. |
| 18:59.16 | MrWup | god |
| 18:59.19 | MrWup | it still doesnt work |
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| 18:59.29 | MrWup | it installs apache but doesnt reinstall it |
| 18:59.34 | MrWup | it just gets 86kb of it |
| 18:59.51 | m0rbid | When in doubt, --purge and --reinstall |
| 18:59.55 | m0rbid | thats my motto. |
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| 19:00.03 | daeos | abrotman: don't understand this part : change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' |
| 19:00.06 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.20 | krazykit | MrWup, because the package is already downloaded. you could delete the apache deb in /var/cache/apt/ |
| 19:00.27 | krazykit | if you want it to redownload |
| 19:00.36 | abrotman | daeos: paste your sources |
| 19:00.38 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:00.38 | MrWup | i did apt-get clear |
| 19:00.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:00.51 | m0rbid | daeos: nano (or alike) /etc/apt/sources.list and change them there. |
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| 19:01.36 | mhall | zinx: doesn't help |
| 19:01.41 | mhall | zinx: some macros are fucked up |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | daeos: roughly it means that everywhere the words sarge or stable exist .. change them to etch |
| 19:01.58 | mhall | zinx: i bet i missed a dependency, or included some optional libraries that broke something somewhere |
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| 19:02.22 | abrotman | can we just ban solomon already ? |
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| 19:02.55 | yang | I am trying to get the sound out of my leadtek 2000 tv card, it used to work before but now the driver bt878 says: bt878: probe of 0000:00:09.1 failed with error -22 http://paste.debian.net/25176 |
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| 19:04.23 | MrWup | its fucked. |
| 19:04.46 | MrWup | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache |
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| 19:04.55 | abrotman | apache-common ? |
| 19:04.55 | MrWup | i tried this and it only installed 86kb |
| 19:04.58 | abrotman | or apache2-common |
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| 19:05.17 | Rhab | what permission mode grants total access to a file? |
| 19:05.22 | Rhab | for everyone |
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| 19:05.58 | abrotman | 777 |
| 19:06.06 | bkhl | I seem to remember it being possible to use some pattern or so for aptitude to go through "leaf" packages, similar to what debfoster does. Can somebody jog my memory? |
| 19:06.08 | xand | 999 |
| 19:06.21 | MrWup | oh |
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| 19:06.34 | Tigger_ | hi |
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| 19:07.04 | Rhab | so its chmod 999 file ? |
| 19:07.09 | abrotman | 777 |
| 19:07.16 | mhall | Rhab: no. xand is wrong. |
| 19:07.23 | Rhab | ok |
| 19:07.23 | abrotman | xand is trying to be funny |
| 19:07.26 | mhall | Rhab: abrotman is right. |
| 19:07.29 | mhall | !lart xand |
| 19:07.29 | Rhab | :> |
| 19:07.49 | centrx | bkhl just run deborphan |
| 19:08.10 | Rhab | great, thnx |
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| 19:08.43 | Thms | I installed the linux headers 2.6.20 sucessfully but when I reboot it is still 2.6.18 in grub and update-grub doesn't solve this problem, how to do ? |
| 19:08.56 | xand | headers aren't a kernel |
| 19:09.14 | Thms | how to I install the kernel so ? |
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| 19:09.38 | xand | 2.6.20 isn't in debian... are you running sarge or etch? |
| 19:09.45 | Thms | with the image sorry |
| 19:09.52 | xand | er |
| 19:09.53 | Thms | xand: sid |
| 19:10.04 | xand | if you're using sid you should know how |
| 19:10.17 | abrotman | sid is still 2.6.18 |
| 19:10.19 | Thms | yes I know sorry I have not my brain today |
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| 19:11.33 | jelly-home | sounds like an episode of original star trek |
| 19:12.19 | MrWup | now i gotta get apache2 to load PHP to begin with |
| 19:12.21 | abrotman | starring jelly-home as the evil omnipotent being from beyond the fringe of the universe that magically knows english and Kirk knows how to kill! |
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| 19:12.26 | MrWup | it did it automatically beforehand |
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| 19:12.29 | MrWup | dont know why it wont load it now |
| 19:12.50 | abrotman | SaLoMoN: you're broken |
| 19:13.01 | m0rbid | krazykit: thanks man, dvd playback works now. |
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| 19:14.15 | jelly-home | can one have just enough flood anyway? |
| 19:14.25 | mhall | what's the easiest way to print the build dependency packages of a package? i need to remove a bunch of unneeded build deps |
| 19:14.42 | m0rbid | now why is it that the synapsis modules work well with the basic 2.6 install kernel, but its fubared in the 2.6.18-4 kernel. |
| 19:14.52 | xand | abrotman: eh, they have universal translators |
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| 19:14.58 | m0rbid | synapsis == touchpad. |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | xand: for a being they've never met ? |
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| 19:16.30 | xand | abrotman: yes |
| 19:16.37 | jelly-home | SaLoMoN: look out for excess flood! |
| 19:16.39 | abrotman | bad logic! |
| 19:16.40 | xand | it learns "magically" ;) |
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| 19:16.54 | xand | if you watch Enterprise they are introducing it |
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| 19:17.04 | efaistos | hi |
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| 19:17.27 | jelly-home | xand: Enterprise is not in personal canon ;-) |
| 19:17.39 | jelly-home | my* personal canon |
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| 19:17.48 | efaistos | does someone know why my lvm partitions are not mounted automatically at the boot ? I'm using xfs on them on a 2.6.18 ??? |
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| 19:19.55 | tdn | Is it possible to configure apt-get to use more than one thread while downloading packages/lists in apt-get update and in apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:20.02 | xand | jelly-home: pfft. |
| 19:20.04 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:20.12 | abrotman | unless they come from different sources |
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| 19:20.16 | abrotman | SaLoMoN: BROKE I TELL YOU |
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| 19:20.39 | HardDisk_WP | what machine architecture should I tell apt-build if i use |
| 19:20.41 | HardDisk_WP | cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ @ 2.17GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] |
| 19:20.45 | HardDisk_WP | k6? |
| 19:20.57 | HardDisk_WP | athlon-xp? |
| 19:21.05 | HamidNassiby | athlon-xp |
| 19:21.44 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 19:21.45 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 19:21.53 | simonrvn | blender is FUBAR |
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| 19:22.48 | HardDisk_WP | hmpf |
| 19:22.49 | HardDisk_WP | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 19:23.00 | HardDisk_WP | how can I fix that? |
| 19:23.01 | simonrvn | LANG=C please |
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| 19:23.29 | simonrvn | see /topic |
| 19:23.48 | HardDisk_WP | short translated, apt-get update cant find the pub key for this repository |
| 19:23.55 | simonrvn | see /topic |
| 19:23.59 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: read the damn topic |
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| 19:24.14 | simonrvn | here we go again |
| 19:24.42 | HardDisk_WP | *aaaa* |
| 19:24.45 | HardDisk_WP | Thanks! |
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| 19:25.59 | m0rbid | hmmm, ok dvd playback is working, sortah... |
| 19:26.04 | m0rbid | sound seems out of sync. |
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| 19:26.12 | m0rbid | Any ideas how to fix that? |
| 19:26.15 | HardDisk_WP | Hmm. Both 2006 key and etch key didnt solve the issue |
| 19:26.38 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: secure-testing.debian.net isn't an official repository |
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| 19:27.04 | \amethyst | !etch security |
| 19:27.04 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 19:27.28 | HardDisk_WP | so I can forget secure-testing? |
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| 19:28.10 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: of you can use their signing key |
| 19:28.14 | \amethyst | s/of/or/ |
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| 19:29.29 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 19:29.31 | HardDisk_WP | thx! |
| 19:29.32 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ has the key, you can download that and apt-key add filename |
| 19:29.43 | milagro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.02 | h3sp4wn | !based on debian |
| 19:30.03 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 19:30.36 | \amethyst | milagro: if it uses udev, see if anything appeared in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 19:30.38 | h3sp4wn | milagro: chances are no one in here knows much about puppy |
| 19:30.45 | \amethyst | oh, puppy is a distibution |
| 19:31.11 | xjkx | can i ask why my xdialog is returning 0 by putting the small code on a website or it would be off topic ? :> |
| 19:31.13 | h3sp4wn | I presume its "puppy linux" |
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| 19:31.35 | abrotman | puppy has its own channel |
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| 19:31.40 | \amethyst | xjkx: I doubt there's an #xdialog :) |
| 19:31.53 | Coweater | milagro: check your dmesg output after you plugin the device, beyond that the puppy channel |
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| 19:32.13 | xjkx | \amethyst, true :/ then its ok? http://sial.org/pbot/24072 the x variable returns 0 everytime no matter what option i choose :/ |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | milagro: try #puppylinux |
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| 19:34.26 | xand | GO |
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| 19:35.19 | \amethyst | xjkx: because the results are sent to stderr, not the return value |
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| 19:35.55 | \amethyst | xjkx: The return value should be 0 if they clicked OK, 1 if they clicked cancel |
| 19:36.04 | simonrvn | woohoo kline the spam bots =) |
| 19:36.19 | xjkx | \amethyst, how can i stop sending to stderr and send it to the value? :] |
| 19:36.34 | \amethyst | xjkx: You can't---the return value is used to indicate success/failure |
| 19:37.02 | \amethyst | xjkx: You can use x=$(Xdialog --stdout ....) |
| 19:37.08 | simonrvn | that's what return values do ;) |
| 19:37.26 | xjkx | but i want to make a "if" depending to the chosen option :> is it the best way to? x=$(thing) ? |
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| 19:37.59 | \amethyst | xjkx: Yes |
| 19:38.06 | xjkx | gonna test |
| 19:38.07 | \amethyst | xjkx: You still need to check the return value |
| 19:38.14 | \amethyst | xjkx: that's what tells you if they pressed cancel |
| 19:38.17 | simonrvn | here comes mr. excess flood again |
| 19:38.22 | abrotman | 1 |
| 19:38.22 | abrotman | 2 |
| 19:38.23 | abrotman | 3 |
| 19:38.24 | abchirk | wb |
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| 19:38.29 | abrotman | oh .. bad timing |
| 19:38.33 | abchirk | !beet abrotman |
| 19:38.35 | abchirk | ack |
| 19:38.39 | abchirk | !beer abrotman |
| 19:38.42 | abrotman | !pickle abchirk |
| 19:39.00 | simonrvn | they missspelled that :) |
| 19:39.06 | simonrvn | i misspelled that |
| 19:39.07 | xand | there |
| 19:39.18 | xand | or... |
| 19:39.19 | abrotman | delirium ? |
| 19:39.29 | xjkx | \amethyst, i frankly dont care if they canceled or not, i want to make it like if he choses the first option make a command, the second one another command, will it return his option also or just if he canceled or clicked ok? |
| 19:39.32 | \amethyst | abrotman: yes |
| 19:39.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:39.42 | abrotman | it's locked now |
| 19:39.56 | simonrvn | and DT isn't a drink ;) |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | poutine! |
| 19:40.12 | \amethyst | xjkx: Return value is 0 for OK, 1 for cancel. the output is a number if they pressed OK, empty if they cancelled |
| 19:40.29 | simonrvn | it's what you get if you've been drinking hard for a while, and are withdrawl from booze |
| 19:40.35 | simonrvn | are in* |
| 19:40.39 | xjkx | and where is saved what he chose on radiobox? |
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| 19:40.47 | abrotman | delirous tremors ? |
| 19:40.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:40.54 | ale1 | how to i enable direct rendering ? |
| 19:41.00 | \amethyst | xjkx: that goes to stderr, or stdout if you give --stdout |
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| 19:41.07 | \amethyst | trembling delirium, actually |
| 19:41.11 | simonrvn | ale1: with a fork, some duct tape, and lots of patience |
| 19:41.12 | abrotman | ale1: depends on your video card |
| 19:41.13 | xand | hello, how to make computer work? |
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| 19:41.25 | xand | ??!?!?!?! |
| 19:41.26 | ale1 | i have a nvidia geforce 6200 |
| 19:41.36 | abrotman | and which version of debian ? |
| 19:41.36 | simonrvn | xand: if you have to ask that, you shouldn't be let near one |
| 19:41.38 | ttuttle | Hey, is there an easy way to set up a new Debian system as a "standard" graphical desktop? |
| 19:41.39 | \amethyst | xjkx: the x=$( ) is there to capture stdout and send it to a variable |
| 19:41.44 | ale1 | abrotman: etch |
| 19:41.50 | abrotman | ttuttle: use tasksel ? |
| 19:41.51 | xjkx | uhmm |
| 19:41.54 | simonrvn | xand: ;p |
| 19:41.55 | abrotman | !tell ale1 about nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:42.04 | xand | :'( |
| 19:42.11 | ttuttle | abrotman: Okay. I just did my first reboot, so I'm waiting to see if it does any "first boot" tasks. I recall it does run something that's probably tasksel. |
| 19:42.23 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah, it dumped me into a wizard. I'll see how it goes. |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | ttuttle: though i wouldn't use it .. but that's me |
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| 19:42.54 | ttuttle | abrotman: I'm setting up a handful of distros as general-purpose desktops for demos and stuff. So I want to do the "default"-ish install. |
| 19:42.56 | simonrvn | xand: that was more a ":P" than a ";p" |
| 19:43.02 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:43.35 | ale1 | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 19:43.47 | xand | simonrvn: what's the difference? |
| 19:43.58 | simonrvn | you need non-free and contrib in sources.list |
| 19:44.00 | ale1 | don't tell me that i have to change the kernel |
| 19:44.22 | simonrvn | xand: one's tongue in cheek, the other is stick your tongue out with a wink |
| 19:44.30 | simonrvn | xand: in that order |
| 19:44.51 | ttuttle | Eww, Nvidia. /me runs Intel. |
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| 19:45.08 | abrotman | !tell ale1 about nonfree |
| 19:45.11 | abrotman | !tell ale1 about contrib |
| 19:45.26 | jelly-home | ttuttle: you mean walks intel, or maybe crawls intel? |
| 19:45.32 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Yes. |
| 19:45.43 | simonrvn | xand: ehehe |
| 19:45.44 | ttuttle | jelly-home: But it's free. This is Debian, you should be obsessed with software freedom :-b |
| 19:45.52 | ttuttle | jelly-home: (And it's cheaper, and gets better battery life.) |
| 19:46.08 | BlueParrot | ttuttle: heh, I have a radeon and it has a quite decent driver too, much better than the fglrx one ; ) |
| 19:46.08 | jelly-home | ttuttle: that's why I have it on my machine ;-) |
| 19:46.11 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Intel? |
| 19:46.14 | jelly-home | ttuttle: aye |
| 19:46.17 | ttuttle | jelly-home: ;-) |
| 19:46.18 | simonrvn | i saw the prices for some high end vid cards. are they crazy? |
| 19:46.27 | dvs | simonrvn: $600? |
| 19:46.31 | xjkx | \amethyst, worked xD |
| 19:46.32 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:46.36 | xjkx | ty |
| 19:46.40 | dvs | simonrvn: wait 6 months |
| 19:46.41 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Yeah, they're decent, and work wonderfully for desktop usage and low- to medium-end gaming. |
| 19:46.44 | simonrvn | 58X-something |
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| 19:46.49 | jelly-home | simonrvn: you need serious bucks for a highend gaming rig |
| 19:46.58 | simonrvn | crazy fucking ghost people |
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| 19:47.24 | \amethyst | xjkx: I was about to paste http://sial.org/pbot/24073 |
| 19:47.29 | simonrvn | oops, did i say that out loud? ;p |
| 19:47.35 | ttuttle | simonrvn: yes |
| 19:47.42 | ttuttle | simonrvn: And it's logged. Muahahaha. |
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| 19:47.52 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 19:48.17 | xand | tard |
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| 19:48.29 | xand | grrr |
| 19:48.31 | simonrvn | and here we go again... |
| 19:48.50 | jelly-home | hey, he was on for 10 good minutes last time |
| 19:48.52 | simonrvn | SaLoMoN: i dunno what you're doing, but whatever it is: STOP! |
| 19:49.02 | simonrvn | true 'nough |
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| 19:49.23 | simonrvn | not that time though |
| 19:49.48 | simonrvn | whatever you do, don't upgrade blender, it's borked |
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| 19:50.08 | BlueParrot | omg |
| 19:50.09 | mhiku | how to convert flv to mp4? |
| 19:50.13 | BlueParrot | slashdot is great today |
| 19:50.20 | ttuttle | mhiku: mencoder? Or vlc? |
| 19:50.23 | jelly-home | BlueParrot: unlikely! |
| 19:50.31 | BlueParrot | jelly-home: well the headlines are :P |
| 19:50.31 | ttuttle | Whoops. |
| 19:50.32 | mhiku | direct? |
| 19:50.38 | simonrvn | i'm with jelly-home there |
| 19:50.47 | BlueParrot | I'm counting 3-4 articles which are BAd News - TM for DRM and Vista |
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| 19:50.53 | ttuttle | mhiku: HEY! Stop crossposting! |
| 19:50.56 | jetscreamer | mhiku: #mplayer |
| 19:51.06 | ale1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.22 | mhiku | lol |
| 19:51.33 | BlueParrot | guys, you are doing it wrong |
| 19:51.40 | rahul | !penixstriek |
| 19:51.43 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 19:51.43 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 19:51.51 | abrotman | penixstreak ? |
| 19:51.54 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:51.59 | dvs | redundant |
| 19:52.00 | BlueParrot | apropriate answers would be "Why not use ogg?" , "mp4 non-free eeeewwww" or similar .. |
| 19:52.15 | Eclipser | flac! |
| 19:52.26 | ttuttle | wHY NOT USE OGG?!?!?! Every time you use FLV, RMS chokes on his own ego! |
| 19:52.36 | ttuttle | I mean RMS kills an emacs process! |
| 19:52.37 | jetscreamer | use whatever you want to use |
| 19:52.39 | ttuttle | lol |
| 19:52.45 | BlueParrot | ohes noes, can't kill RMS that would be bad ... |
| 19:52.46 | jetscreamer | isn't that what linux is about , somewhat? |
| 19:52.47 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | someone kill him |
| 19:52.56 | ttuttle | BlueParrot: No, he doesn't die. |
| 19:53.04 | ttuttle | BlueParrot: Just chokes for a few seconds. |
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| 19:53.18 | ttuttle | BlueParrot: It feels like a frog is stuck in his throat, but it's his ego instead. |
| 19:53.27 | jelly-home | mmm, frogs |
| 19:53.28 | BlueParrot | : ) |
| 19:53.30 | ttuttle | lol |
| 19:53.38 | abrotman | wtf is a reples ? |
| 19:53.41 | jetscreamer | the easiest way might be ffmpeg btw |
| 19:53.51 | jetscreamer | the best way would probably be mencoder |
| 19:54.01 | simonrvn | -replies |
| 19:54.01 | jetscreamer | or just use some front end to something |
| 19:54.11 | ttuttle | I actually met RMS once (he visited my school). I was very excited, and explained that I loved free software and I've written some, and his answer was really abrasive, something like "No, that's not enough! You have to become a CRUSADER FOR FREE SOFTWARE!" |
| 19:54.19 | simonrvn | not just what the person says, but also what other people tell them |
| 19:54.22 | ale1 | abrotman: do i have to reboot after installing those ? |
| 19:54.23 | jetscreamer | !tell mhiku -about marillat |
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| 19:54.26 | ttuttle | Then he wouldn't stay for lunch -- not because he didn't have time, but because he DIDN'T LIKE OUR FOOD! |
| 19:54.28 | jetscreamer | avidemux is good |
| 19:54.33 | jetscreamer | mhiku: ^^ |
| 19:54.49 | simonrvn | ale1: reboot is only good to unlock a locked system and changing kernels |
| 19:55.00 | jelly-home | ttuttle: sounds like a nice person |
| 19:55.00 | dvs | ttuttle: somehow, that doesn't surprise me. |
| 19:55.01 | abrotman | ale1: at least load the modules |
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| 19:55.03 | xand | and new hardware |
| 19:55.06 | jelly-home | NOT |
| 19:55.10 | ttuttle | And, he bit the face off one of our history teachers for accidentally saying "freeware" instead of "free software", and then wouldn't let it go when she tried to explain what her actual point was. |
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| 19:55.21 | simonrvn | ttuttle: his social skills are somewhat lacking. i've also met him |
| 19:55.21 | xand | jelly-home: you don't have to say "NOT" to make it sarcasm :) |
| 19:55.26 | BlueParrot | Heh, problem is RMS isn't this "nice odl free software grandpa" he is more like the cave troll you let of the leash when you someone gives you trouble ... |
| 19:55.31 | jelly-home | xand: NOT |
| 19:55.35 | evilgeek | ttuttle: did he seem autistic to you, too? |
| 19:55.42 | ttuttle | He's an embarassment to the community. I don't discount his contributions, but he could be of much more help if he wasn't rude. |
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| 19:55.46 | simonrvn | BlueParrot: indeed |
| 19:55.55 | evilgeek | ttuttle: ESR is a bigger embarrassment. |
| 19:56.06 | ttuttle | evilgeek: It's hard to say, I'm not a good judge of it. But he seemed strange in some social way. It's possible. |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | SaLoMoN is the real embarrassment |
| 19:56.11 | evilgeek | ttuttle: RMS has actually written code. one can't really say the same about ESR. |
| 19:56.11 | ttuttle | evilgeek: Maybe, maybe not. |
| 19:56.12 | dvs | evilgeek: now that I disagree with |
| 19:56.16 | ttuttle | evilgeek: True. |
| 19:56.16 | xjkx | \amethyst, echo "I am confused" (LOL) thanks, was useful anyway |
| 19:56.22 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hehehehhe |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | evilgeek: fetchmail ? |
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| 19:56.42 | evilgeek | ttuttle: ESR is even more socially undesirable than RMS, too. |
| 19:56.52 | ttuttle | But RMS did give us stickers. I have a GNU head sticker covering the Dell logo on my laptop's lid. |
| 19:56.54 | evilgeek | abrotman: yes, he wrote that. but he didn't start emacs or gcc. |
| 19:56.59 | abrotman | so what? |
| 19:57.06 | abrotman | what did *you* do to be a judge ? |
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| 19:57.17 | evilgeek | abrotman: his actual contributions to free software pale in comparison to RMS's. |
| 19:57.21 | xand | creating emacs is not something to be proud of ;) |
| 19:57.25 | ttuttle | Oh, and instead of asking for small ($5-$20 range) donations, he asked people to join the FSF, which (as a *student*!) costs $60, which meant he got nothing. |
| 19:57.30 | simonrvn | your own bible says "do not judge, lest you be judged" |
| 19:57.31 | dvs | xand: ... |
| 19:57.33 | ale1 | abrotman: which module? |
| 19:57.39 | evilgeek | abrotman: this, in my mind, gives RMS more of a right to be a raging asshole. |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | ale1: i don't use them .. i have no idea |
| 19:57.44 | ttuttle | He could have collected maybe $50-100 in donations, had he asked for a reasonable amount. |
| 19:57.47 | evilgeek | simonrvn: whose bible? |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | evilgeek: why do you get to judge? |
| 19:57.59 | ale1 | geez .. thx |
| 19:58.00 | ttuttle | There is no way to argue that RMS didn't have a huge hand in starting free software and (as an offshoot) open source. |
| 19:58.00 | simonrvn | not mine ;) |
| 19:58.05 | evilgeek | abrotman: why not? |
| 19:58.09 | xand | dvs :) |
| 19:58.17 | ttuttle | (Both as a programmer and an organizer.) |
| 19:58.19 | evilgeek | abrotman: i'm human. evaluation is in my nature. |
| 19:58.26 | abrotman | or just being a jackass :) |
| 19:59.00 | evilgeek | ttuttle: exactly. the argument about whether RMS is contributing or detracting now is more subtle, though. |
| 19:59.07 | ttuttle | Now? It is hard to say. |
| 19:59.11 | simonrvn | wouldn't be so bad this borked blender IF THE APT-LISTBUGS APP WORKED |
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| 19:59.30 | jetscreamer | blender the modeling app? |
| 19:59.32 | jelly-home | ya, what's with the listbugs server? |
| 19:59.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: file a bug ? |
| 19:59.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:59.49 | ttuttle | I visited his office once (he wasn't around) and asked his officemates what he did all day. They said "AFAICT, he just writes occasional patches for emacs and sends out flame mails to people who call it Linux instead of GNU/Linux." |
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| 20:00.05 | evilgeek | ttuttle: sounds about right. |
| 20:00.43 | ttuttle | evilgeek: I was frankly just bullshit when I talked to him, as a smiling, happy, budding free software geek, and he totally insulted (or at least discounted, or ignored) my efforts. |
| 20:00.49 | jelly-home | evilgeek: you work there too? |
| 20:01.06 | evilgeek | jelly-home: no, i don't. |
| 20:01.18 | ttuttle | evilgeek: I felt like he didn't care what actually happened, just whether he gets to brainwash people the way he wants. |
| 20:01.33 | evilgeek | jelly-home: but i haven't seen RMS make any other splashes, other than occasionally speaking various places. |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | honestly .. he gave the world emacs .. that alone is worthy of a death sentence :) |
| 20:01.44 | xand | hehe |
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| 20:01.49 | dvs | grrrrrrrr |
| 20:01.52 | ttuttle | evilgeek: I mean, if not, you end up with a ton of philosophists or politicians and no code. |
| 20:02.01 | xand | dvs: emacs lover? |
| 20:02.15 | dvs | xand: no.... xemacs lover! ;-) |
| 20:02.23 | evilgeek | actually, why are so many major figures in free software such assholes? |
| 20:02.23 | jelly-home | heretic |
| 20:02.32 | evilgeek | (RMS, ESR, Ulrich Drepper...) |
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| 20:02.37 | ttuttle | evilgeek: Well, geeks don't have good social skills. |
| 20:02.39 | abrotman | evilgeek: raging ego |
| 20:02.42 | ttuttle | evilgeek: Don't forget Reiser ;-) |
| 20:02.42 | dvs | evilgeek: Hans Reiser |
| 20:02.48 | ttuttle | evilgeek: And then having a position of power makes it worse. |
| 20:03.03 | evilgeek | ttuttle: hm, fair enough. |
| 20:03.12 | ttuttle | evilgeek: at least, AFAICT. |
| 20:03.14 | evilgeek | ttuttle: but i get the idea that those three were assholes before free software. |
| 20:03.24 | evilgeek | (and most of the geeks i know are pleasant people, but yeah.) |
| 20:03.32 | ttuttle | Whoa! Have y'all seen the openSUSE bootloader?! |
| 20:03.41 | ttuttle | evilgeek: I'm usually pleasant. |
| 20:03.44 | evilgeek | (by "before free software" i mean "before they became involved in free software.) |
| 20:03.45 | BlueParrot | The way I see it nobody is perfect. |
| 20:04.00 | BlueParrot | Heck, I know quite a few people who can't stand me |
| 20:04.13 | ttuttle | BlueParrot: lol |
| 20:04.23 | simonrvn | i see dinstall happened, with no new blender... don't the maintainers *install* the stuff they package? |
| 20:04.33 | ttuttle | I guess if you're RMS or ESR, your imperfections are magnified several million times. |
| 20:04.35 | BlueParrot | they think I am arrogant, which is bollocks, I am the most humble person there is :P |
| 20:04.53 | abrotman | how .. humble of you to say so |
| 20:04.58 | ttuttle | abrotman: lol |
| 20:05.06 | evilgeek | ttuttle: dude, ESR sent bruce perens death threats. perens is, like, the nicest guy involved in free software. |
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| 20:05.20 | evilgeek | ttuttle: this isn't something normal people would do. |
| 20:05.21 | ttuttle | evilgeek: Seriously? Screw ESR. That's f***ing not okay. |
| 20:05.37 | ttuttle | evilgeek: I mean, technology should not lead to murder, ever. |
| 20:05.44 | abrotman | reiser |
| 20:06.07 | softnoel | reinstalling XP on a machine here. I think when an OS defaults to no password for the primary user and Tijuana for the timezone, they're really just not taking things seriously. |
| 20:06.17 | dvs | heh |
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| 20:06.31 | abrotman | softnoel: you're in the wrong channel |
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| 20:06.37 | evilgeek | eh. i thought reiser's wife was banging somebody else or something. not some altercation at a linux conference. |
| 20:06.51 | hon | how can I know which packages I have installed from experimental? |
| 20:06.59 | abrotman | you should know |
| 20:07.04 | wols | evilgeek: she was. and under those circumstances I think anyone in here could become a murderer |
| 20:07.07 | hon | is there dpkg -l -<somthing> ? |
| 20:07.14 | wols | human sex drive is VERY powerful |
| 20:07.24 | BlueParrot | softnoel: I think when an OS can have its kernel compromised due to a flaw in how it handles CSS for animated cursors it is a sign that the developers are smoking something while designing it |
| 20:07.29 | dalias | thats not the reason |
| 20:07.32 | dalias | nor a good reason |
| 20:07.33 | xand | wols: speak for yourself. |
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| 20:07.58 | abrotman | hon: apt-cache policy is the best you can get i think |
| 20:08.02 | simonrvn | BlueParrot: and not good stuff either |
| 20:08.08 | dalias | the reason is that she and her lover (hans' former business partner) pulled an elaborate loan scam to take all hans money and throw him deep into debt |
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| 20:08.53 | hon | I "apt-get -t experimental"ed a few stuff out of necessity, and now I cannot remember. is there a simple way to find them out? |
| 20:09.00 | evilgeek | dalias: oh. |
| 20:09.00 | jetscreamer | none of you 'know' why discuss it |
| 20:09.07 | jetscreamer | no offence |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | offense ? |
| 20:09.37 | evilgeek | jetscreamer: no, but you can come up with probably causes. but i agree, this discussion is rather far-flung for #debian. |
| 20:09.39 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | is that right ? |
| 20:09.47 | xand | offence = offense |
| 20:09.48 | dalias | you'd think he would just get a good lawyer tho and send them to jail... |
| 20:09.49 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 20:09.50 | evilgeek | abrotman: "offence" in english, "offense" in american. |
| 20:09.55 | dalias | no need for murder |
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| 20:10.08 | softnoel | hon: you can add the stable sources back into your sources.list, set the stable stuff to have priority, and see what dselect would like to downgrade |
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| 20:10.39 | simonrvn | you shouldn't be mixing stable with experimental.... seriously |
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| 20:10.40 | jetscreamer | more like sid not stable |
| 20:10.41 | BlueParrot | dalias, I think the point is that the guy probably went a little bit nuts and didn't really think very rationally about it |
| 20:10.47 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
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| 20:11.06 | hon | softnoel: I was using unstable before that. do you really mean stable or unstable? |
| 20:11.18 | softnoel | unstable then. |
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| 20:11.44 | jetscreamer | hon: sid |
| 20:12.22 | hon | softnoel: I have both experimental and unstable now, you mean I should remove experimental from sources.list? |
| 20:12.27 | jetscreamer | but unless you pin stuff it 'probably won't uninstall it.... however: somebody guess what can show you.... anybody? |
| 20:12.34 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 20:12.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 20:12.51 | jetscreamer | comment out the experimental and those packages will be on the top of the list |
| 20:13.01 | jetscreamer | well under the upgrades |
| 20:13.22 | softnoel | hon: just removing it won't do it. You want to have both sources in, then look at "man apt_preferences" to see how you can give one release priority over another. |
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| 20:13.36 | abrotman | why is he trying to remove it ? |
| 20:13.56 | abrotman | he could just remove the sources ... and use aptitude with unstable .. it'll catch up eventually |
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| 20:15.01 | jetscreamer | if you comment out the exp sources, and use dselect, do an update, they will be listed under: Obsolete and local packages present on system |
| 20:15.10 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 20:15.18 | jetscreamer | aptitude has a changelog.... |
| 20:15.20 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 20:15.38 | softnoel | Anyone else dealt with intel 945 lockups when ending an X session? |
| 20:16.57 | xand | ban |
| 20:17.08 | softnoel | Finding lots of hits on Google, but people are giving up and using vesa :( |
| 20:17.29 | BlueParrot | not promising ... |
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| 20:17.56 | jetscreamer | don't end the session? |
| 20:18.33 | hon | btw, I am curious what interface most people here use to manage packages. apt-cache + apt-get? aptitude? dselect? emacs + debian-el ? |
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| 20:18.51 | abrotman | there are two people still using dselect |
| 20:19.03 | softnoel | You really thought most here might be using emacs + debian-el? |
| 20:19.46 | jetscreamer | abrotman is right: afaik there are two ppl still using dselect |
| 20:19.52 | jetscreamer | me and some other guy |
| 20:20.14 | xand | wow, a whole two |
| 20:20.19 | daeos | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5972 |
| 20:20.38 | jetscreamer | note i never have any dependency problems either |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | dude ... that took forever |
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| 20:21.05 | daeos | abrotman: i am at work too |
| 20:21.11 | abrotman | daeos: comment out the backports line ... change the rest to say etch where it says sarge/stable |
| 20:21.13 | abrotman | daeos: ah ok |
| 20:21.26 | daeos | abrotman: sorry it took so long, was fixing an issue for a customer |
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| 20:21.43 | abrotman | customer is always wrong |
| 20:21.47 | daeos | oh...man |
| 20:21.51 | daeos | you have no idea |
| 20:22.12 | daeos | this lady has TWC RR service, and is paying full price... with no pc at home, just to use dial up at work |
| 20:22.21 | daeos | and wanted dial up support |
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| 20:22.41 | daeos | and wanted us to fix it beyond the 72 hour window it takes to reset her password |
| 20:23.07 | dvs | daeos: did you tell her to go to hell? ;-) |
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| 20:23.40 | h3sp4wn | seems crappy service if it takes 72 hours to reset a password |
| 20:24.09 | daeos | dvs: i asked her something to that effect whic hwas "why do you have our high speed service JUST FOR DIALUP????" |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | daeos: did you tell her that uhm .. there are way cheaper alternatives ? |
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| 20:24.18 | jetscreamer | i just switched to twa/rr... i am not happy at all |
| 20:24.25 | jetscreamer | err twc |
| 20:24.27 | dvs | jetscreamer: complain! |
| 20:24.33 | jetscreamer | not trans world airlines |
| 20:24.45 | softnoel | curious: For someone who's already learned all the nonintuitive keystrokes in dselect, is there any benefit to the other apt interfaces? |
| 20:24.46 | daeos | hehe |
| 20:24.51 | dvs | jetscreamer: yeah, fixing cables with TWC would be a real pain! |
| 20:24.57 | jetscreamer | dvs: i'm seriously considering switching back to mabell... but 1/2 the speed :/ |
| 20:25.04 | daeos | jetscreamer: well, getting service for free.... i don't complain |
| 20:25.11 | dvs | jetscreamer: at least it's consistent speed |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | softnoel: yeah .. dselect sucks |
| 20:25.30 | daeos | jetscreamer: you should just complain , demand to cancel |
| 20:25.38 | jetscreamer | i had problems maybe once every 2 years with mabell |
| 20:25.38 | daeos | jetscreamer: and ask for a lower price and to fix the damn thing |
| 20:25.50 | jetscreamer | s/maybe/mabell/ |
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| 20:26.11 | daeos | when i used to do elink support, man.. that was horrible |
| 20:26.32 | softnoel | what do the other front ends do that dselect doesn't? |
| 20:26.33 | BlueParrot | personally I just want my connection to work. I am fed up with ISPs that drop teh connection sporadically or go down for hours |
| 20:26.35 | jetscreamer | no dselect does not suck. the package selection screen sucks. get it correct/accurate. |
| 20:26.36 | daeos | i feel sorry for the people who have dsl from ilecs like sbc/at&t/verizon/bellsouth |
| 20:26.39 | \amethyst | softnoel: aptitude does have some more features like a powerful search, remembering automatically-installed packages and removing them when the depending packages are removed, and (arguably) better conflict resolution |
| 20:26.51 | jetscreamer | dselect has search |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | softnoel: dselect has horrible dependency resolution |
| 20:26.58 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 20:27.02 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: can dselect search by multiple fields at once? |
| 20:27.08 | jetscreamer | abrotman: that is inaccurate |
| 20:27.15 | softnoel | so aptitude kinda replaces dselect and debfoster, plus the nicer search. |
| 20:27.17 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 20:27.22 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 20:27.39 | \amethyst | softnoel: some people prefer dselect, as you can see :) |
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| 20:28.06 | daeos | abrotman: there is only 1 entry that has sarge in it... is that all i change then? just that 1 line? |
| 20:28.11 | jetscreamer | the distro default is aptitude, you should probably use it unless you have a reason not to |
| 20:28.23 | abrotman | daeos: and the ones that say stable |
| 20:28.23 | softnoel | ya. I've stuck with dselect just because it works. debfoster gives me the only functionality I found it missing, for eliminating the auto-installed packages. |
| 20:28.26 | jetscreamer | daeos: you change the word sarge to etch or testing |
| 20:28.41 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 20:28.42 | BlueParrot | daeos should be two lines , one for main and one for updates/security |
| 20:28.47 | daeos | hmm |
| 20:28.52 | HardDisk_WP | are any kernel 2.6.21 releases for debian? |
| 20:28.54 | abrotman | NOT TO testing |
| 20:28.56 | daeos | let me paste my file link again |
| 20:28.58 | HardDisk_WP | s/releases/packages |
| 20:28.58 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5972 |
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| 20:29.07 | jetscreamer | daeos: etch if you wish to stay with etch when it goes stable, testing to stay with testing flavor when etch moves on... |
| 20:29.09 | daeos | i changed the.... sarge to etch |
| 20:29.14 | abrotman | just change it to etch |
| 20:29.16 | jetscreamer | testing will become lenny |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | do not use testing unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:29.21 | jetscreamer | etch is good for now |
| 20:29.24 | abrotman | and it's pretty obvious you don't |
| 20:29.25 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:29.31 | daeos | abrotman: oh, you know that one |
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| 20:29.36 | \amethyst | yeah, testing is often broken for long periods of time |
| 20:29.42 | daeos | abrotman: i should give you $100 for knowing that one |
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| 20:30.00 | BlueParrot | testing is currently quite alright :P |
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| 20:30.03 | abrotman | daeos: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5973 |
| 20:30.13 | \amethyst | yes, I meant at other points in the release cycle |
| 20:30.20 | \amethyst | like when big transitions are happening |
| 20:30.21 | BlueParrot | mmm |
| 20:30.29 | jetscreamer | daeos: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list <--examples |
| 20:30.33 | BlueParrot | good idea to give things some time |
| 20:30.37 | abrotman | sure it's currently okay .. etch is about to release |
| 20:30.42 | daeos | abrotman: thanks, i get it now |
| 20:30.49 | abrotman | it's been frozen for months |
| 20:31.27 | dutchfish | is there a tool like umbrella (KDE) to actually work in a UML under gnome? |
| 20:31.47 | \amethyst | dutchfish: including code generation? |
| 20:32.01 | dutchfish | \amethyst, at least template generation |
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| 20:32.40 | \amethyst | dutchfish: argouml (java) might be able to |
| 20:32.48 | \amethyst | dutchfish: and there's bouml, but that's qt-based |
| 20:32.55 | dutchfish | \amethyst, nah i need something for C |
| 20:32.58 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I don't believe in UML myself :) |
| 20:33.14 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I mean it's in Java. I don't know what languages it does templates for |
| 20:33.45 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i dont believe in UML either but need it for explanation to my students |
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| 20:34.40 | dutchfish | \amethyst, but i could setup a machine with kde for that purpose |
| 20:35.01 | dutchfish | \amethyst, just curieus if there is something under gnome |
| 20:35.21 | Vloeck | i've had a kernel bug message, i don't know what to think of it, https://vloeck.de/ul/bug.jpg , can anyone help me with it? |
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| 20:36.36 | dutchfish | Vloeck, you better paste it through pastebin as text |
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| 20:37.12 | BlueParrot | dutchfish: I don't think he is able to get the plaintext with his kernel segfaulting and all : ) |
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| 20:37.32 | jelly-home | it's a literal screenshot |
| 20:37.44 | jelly-home | and gocr doesn't work well with those |
| 20:37.52 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 20:38.34 | BlueParrot | "literal screenshot" haven't heard that expression before : ) |
| 20:38.40 | dvs | xand: do that again! |
| 20:39.39 | jelly-home | I just made it up, hope it makes sense to a native speaker |
| 20:39.39 | dubbyah | what would the best programming language be to write software that randomly selects a different font for each character typed (or x amount of characters before font change)? |
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| 20:41.12 | dutchfish | BlueParrot, did this machine do a filecheck before? |
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| 20:41.48 | wols | dutchfish: typed anywhere while using the machine? |
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| 20:42.02 | B_92_Girl | hi is anybody for chat????????????????????????? |
| 20:42.03 | \amethyst | dubbyah: Any programming language that has GUI libraries would work |
| 20:42.04 | wols | dubbyah: typed anywhere while using the machine? |
| 20:42.08 | jelly-home | Vloeck: your kernel is tainted, can you reproduce without non-free kernel modules? |
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| 20:42.31 | B_92_Girl | hi is anybody for chat????????????????????????? |
| 20:42.34 | wols | B_92_Girl: this is a www.debian.org related channel. do you have a debian relevant question? |
| 20:42.50 | jelly-home | Vloeck: if you can, send a bug report for linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 20:43.30 | Vloeck | i dont know how to reproduce it, it came only once |
| 20:43.33 | dutchfish | wols, ? |
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| 20:43.55 | \amethyst | Vloeck: have you run a thorough filesystem check and memory test since? |
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| 20:44.02 | wols | Vloeck: no kernel maintainer or programmer will debug a tainted kernel problem |
| 20:45.08 | daeos | ok i got an error doing upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 20:45.10 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5974 |
| 20:45.23 | B_92_Girl | fthfghdhgfggggggggggjio |
| 20:45.53 | h3sp4wn | B_92_Girl: stfu |
| 20:45.58 | wols | !ops B_92_Girl is spamming |
| 20:45.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: B_92_Girl is spamming |
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| 20:46.24 | daeos | !ops B_92_Girl is spamming |
| 20:46.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: daeos complains about: B_92_Girl is spamming |
| 20:46.34 | B_92_Girl | odjebite jebem li vam ja sunce usrano svima |
| 20:46.36 | dvs | daeos: not necessary |
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| 20:46.44 | jelly-home | B_92_Girl: such language! |
| 20:46.59 | daeos | dvs: did you look at my pastebin? |
| 20:47.15 | leehambley | hey all - apt-get is freaking out on me, it doesn't see to want to read the packages list from http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ - but that site resolves for me in a browser... but it's throwing 404s for the package lists |
| 20:47.15 | B_92_Girl | serbian |
| 20:47.18 | Vloeck | which of those kernel-modules are non-free? |
| 20:47.38 | dvs | daeos: yes, and I'd force it but that's probably the wrong thing to do |
| 20:48.09 | pingouin | how can i force a service to *not* start when booting debian ? i dont want apache to start alone, only when i do /etc/init.d/apache start for instance ? |
| 20:48.22 | dvs | pingouin: man update-rc.d |
| 20:48.42 | daeos | dvs: i wish abrotman didn't leave |
| 20:48.42 | pingouin | thank you dvs |
| 20:48.46 | dvs | no prob |
| 20:48.55 | daeos | dvs: cause he was telling me what to do |
| 20:49.15 | dvs | daeos: abrotman tells everyone what tod o |
| 20:49.48 | jelly-home | !prize abrotman |
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| 20:50.46 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:50.56 | anirban | is there any package for pfstools |
| 20:51.06 | \amethyst | pingouin: also read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 20:51.16 | B_92_Girl | ma vi ste bre svi skor poludeli vidim ja :( |
| 20:51.20 | anirban | I got some deb packages |
| 20:51.30 | anirban | but is it included on Etch Build |
| 20:51.34 | graytron | is there an appropriate way to update /etc/hosts when a dynamic ip is assigned to the host? eh |
| 20:51.57 | amphi | B_92_Girl: english in here |
| 20:52.11 | \amethyst | graytron: use DNS instead? |
| 20:52.12 | wols | amphi: it's a troll, so don't bother |
| 20:52.25 | amphi | wols: oh, ok |
| 20:52.38 | B_92_Girl | aha oce to da neces mozda da me banujes mozes samo da me uvatis za kurac |
| 20:52.39 | wols | graytron: use a dns/dhcp server like dnsmasq |
| 20:52.47 | pingouin | is there a way/command to know in which run level i am ? |
| 20:52.53 | pingouin | ok \amethyst thanks you |
| 20:52.55 | wols | pingouin: runlevel |
| 20:53.16 | pingouin | ok wols thanks you |
| 20:53.23 | graytron | \amethyst & wols: roger that. |
| 20:53.28 | graytron | \amethyst & wols: thanks |
| 20:54.16 | daeos | wols: have you ever upgraded from sarge to etch? |
| 20:54.17 | xand | B_92_Girl: english |
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| 20:55.16 | B_92_Girl | come on skype |
| 20:55.28 | daeos | what is a troll |
| 20:55.31 | B_92_Girl | my adress is boka__84 |
| 20:55.31 | daeos | !troll |
| 20:55.32 | dpkg | troll is, like, [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 20:56.01 | B_92_Girl | !picka |
| 20:56.11 | orollomarc | foxy |
| 20:56.22 | xand | B_92_Girl: go away |
| 20:56.39 | orollomarc | a foxy troll |
| 20:56.40 | xand | B_92_Girl: you're a troll I should think :P |
| 20:56.49 | jetscreamer | trolls are these things that live under bridges and eat little children |
| 20:56.52 | h3sp4wn | !confuse B_92_Girl |
| 20:56.53 | dpkg | No, what is my mushroom today, B_92_Girl? breeches of the dictatorship of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 20:56.53 | wols | daeos: yes |
| 20:56.59 | dvs | jetscreamer: oh, an RMS? |
| 20:57.06 | conreyt | B_92_Girl: Moći te upisati Engleski jezik? |
| 20:57.07 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:57.15 | jetscreamer | !pl |
| 20:57.15 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 20:57.29 | orollomarc | hehe |
| 20:57.38 | daeos | wols: did you see my paste bin? i got an error trying to upgrade |
| 20:57.41 | daeos | http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 20:57.41 | B_92_Girl | hah |
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| 20:57.43 | daeos | err |
| 20:58.03 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5974 |
| 20:58.05 | jetscreamer | The requested URL /badges/ATT314559.jpg was not found on this server |
| 20:58.11 | daeos | that one |
| 20:58.23 | MrMary | i can share swap partitions between different linux's right? |
| 20:58.26 | daeos | jetscreamer: i was looking at the image of a troll |
| 20:58.29 | MrMary | for dual boot |
| 20:58.43 | jetscreamer | yes MrMary |
| 20:58.44 | dvs | MrMary: yup |
| 20:58.48 | MrMary | ie, debian and opensuse |
| 20:58.55 | MrMary | kewl |
| 20:59.00 | BlueParrot | MrMary: yea it should be fine |
| 20:59.11 | wols | daeos: delete the old libfam via dpkg and a --force option |
| 20:59.13 | wols | then upgrade |
| 20:59.17 | jetscreamer | daeos: what is your command line: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or what |
| 20:59.19 | leehambley | does anyone have a AMD64 debian mirror address handy |
| 20:59.23 | MrMary | does debian support reiser? |
| 20:59.24 | leehambley | my APT is crying about http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ |
| 20:59.41 | daeos | aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:59.41 | jelly-home | B_92_Girl: how can one do that if you're supposed to be a girl anyway? |
| 20:59.43 | jetscreamer | MrMary: no but it works fine....? (yes) |
| 20:59.44 | dvs | apt cries? |
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| 21:00.06 | wols | MrMary: yes it supports reiser3 |
| 21:00.17 | MrMary | kewl |
| 21:00.28 | dvs | yay |
| 21:00.45 | jetscreamer | hey abrot...abro hey wtf where is abrotman |
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| 21:01.38 | solemnwarning | Is there a daemon that takes log messes from shells like bash and csh then writes them to syslog/a file? |
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| 21:02.19 | jetscreamer | daeos: i am unable to tell you how to fix that (w/o using dselect) |
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| 21:02.34 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: what kind of log messages from shells? |
| 21:02.48 | MrMary | log messes |
| 21:03.00 | daeos | jetscreamer: dselect? |
| 21:03.02 | MrMary | he has messy shells |
| 21:03.02 | solemnwarning | >.< |
| 21:03.08 | solemnwarning | Commands that are executed |
| 21:03.13 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: if you want to record your misdeeds in shell, try "script" |
| 21:03.16 | solemnwarning | What bash logs to .bash_history |
| 21:03.21 | jetscreamer | daeos: you would have to mess with option 0 |
| 21:03.24 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 21:03.25 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. you may have to hit y or n somewhere though. |
| 21:03.52 | jetscreamer | tell it to use apt, but don't let it overwrite your sources |
| 21:03.53 | solemnwarning | It's to log the commands anyone runs |
| 21:03.54 | daeos | oh that sounds fun |
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| 21:04.04 | jetscreamer | in option 0 |
| 21:04.09 | daeos | you lost me |
| 21:04.21 | row | Is there anyway I can get apt to check if any off my installed apps (their binaries) are corrupt and if so reinstall them? |
| 21:04.29 | jetscreamer | the first time you run dselect, you have to go into option 0 and tell it to use apt sources |
| 21:04.29 | solemnwarning | I want somthing that will log any commands that get executed |
| 21:04.29 | dvs | jetscreamer: you had to ask, didn't you? |
| 21:04.44 | row | power died and some kde related stuff is now not working |
| 21:04.45 | xand | solemnwarning: spy |
| 21:04.51 | jetscreamer | but, you do not want it to overwrite your sources |
| 21:05.10 | abrotman | row: debsums |
| 21:05.11 | daeos | ok so run.... |
| 21:05.16 | daeos | sudo dselect |
| 21:05.18 | jetscreamer | ah there he is |
| 21:05.19 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 21:05.21 | daeos | then choose option 0 ? |
| 21:05.23 | daeos | oo! |
| 21:05.27 | daeos | abrotman: hey |
| 21:05.27 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: perhaps something from apt-cache search snoop |
| 21:05.30 | daeos | i got an error |
| 21:05.33 | jetscreamer | abrotman: help daeos fix aptitude |
| 21:05.33 | row | abrotman:cheers |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | daeos: done yet? |
| 21:05.42 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: snoopy or ttysnoop |
| 21:05.45 | abrotman | daeos: error ? |
| 21:05.49 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5974 |
| 21:06.00 | jetscreamer | daeos: that was dselect --expert btw, but let abrotman fumble a bit |
| 21:06.08 | jetscreamer | use aptitude |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:06.30 | abrotman | stop telling people to use dselect |
| 21:06.33 | jetscreamer | i didn't |
| 21:06.41 | jetscreamer | quit leaving |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | daeos: let me see your sources again |
| 21:07.18 | daeos | ok |
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| 21:08.01 | jetscreamer | daeos: i dont want you to try my method until NOTHING else works... then i will rub mr abrotman's nose in it... :p |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | because dselect still sucks? |
| 21:08.24 | daeos | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5975 |
| 21:08.35 | abrotman | it's like using sledgehammer to mold glass |
| 21:08.37 | jetscreamer | me? no because you said something incorrect about it |
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| 21:08.53 | bunix | !nvidia |
| 21:08.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is Ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a fast answer on 'how to install the Nvidia drivers'; for a long guide - see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | daeos: what's the command you used to get the aforementioned error ? |
| 21:09.15 | pingouin | why does : update-rc.d apache2 stop 91 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . spit me out : System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist. what i did wrong ? (i just want apache2 not start at booting, only when i do /etc/init.d/apache2 start/stop ) ? |
| 21:09.20 | jetscreamer | just remember how much i love you |
| 21:09.24 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | pingouin: because it's being started in 2345 most liekly |
| 21:09.49 | abrotman | daeos: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:09.53 | jetscreamer | pingouin: chmod -x /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 21:10.08 | jetscreamer | or don't |
| 21:10.33 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yes that was the command he said he used |
| 21:10.38 | abrotman | pingouin: instead of telling it to stop .. why not just use update-rc.d to remove the start links in 2345 |
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| 21:11.23 | pingouin | abrotman: this is what i'm trying to do...following exemple in man update-rc.d...but obviously....i do wrong |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | obviously :) |
| 21:11.35 | jetscreamer | why not just delete them manually.. what is all this update rc crap anyway |
| 21:11.42 | jetscreamer | i'm just asking |
| 21:11.50 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you do everything manually |
| 21:12.07 | jetscreamer | yeah, sometimes... i am into automation though |
| 21:12.12 | pingouin | maybe the -f option is the key ? |
| 21:12.54 | jetscreamer | rm /etc/rc.?/apache2 |
| 21:12.56 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:13.04 | jetscreamer | no |
| 21:13.09 | concept10 | freaking etch changed my boot scheme .. argh |
| 21:13.17 | jetscreamer | that would bork out halt and reboot |
| 21:13.21 | daeos | abrotman: i did that |
| 21:13.26 | daeos | abrotman: and got the error you see |
| 21:13.42 | jetscreamer | no you couldn't have, aptitude is so good! |
| 21:13.42 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that'd be wrong |
| 21:13.47 | daeos | abrotman: got a different error when ran as sudo, so switched to root and did the command also |
| 21:13.51 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yeah i said that |
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| 21:14.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: though ... rc.?/*apache2 .. migth work :) |
| 21:14.12 | pingouin | jetscreamer: i want to use the "debian way" with update-rc.d....but... |
| 21:14.15 | dvs | concept10: "boot scheme"? |
| 21:14.53 | jetscreamer | isn't there other options? like... ah crud what was it |
| 21:15.00 | leehambley | can someone pastie a sources.list please ? |
| 21:15.01 | jetscreamer | diff program, ncurses |
| 21:15.05 | leehambley | mine is ruined |
| 21:15.06 | abrotman | daeos: apt-cache unmet | grep libfam |
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| 21:15.12 | jetscreamer | leehambley: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 21:15.16 | abrotman | leehambley: apt-setup ? |
| 21:15.21 | dvs | leehambley: stabe or testing or etch or.. |
| 21:15.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uhm .. stop doing that? |
| 21:15.38 | jetscreamer | stop doing what |
| 21:15.39 | leehambley | it's an AMD64 box, that apt is shagged on :( |
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| 21:15.42 | concept10 | dvs, yeah - I just upgraded my sarge box (which is a cobalt mips) to etch. It has a different bootloader that sent messages to the LCD and now they are gone |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: don't give those to people ... |
| 21:15.47 | jetscreamer | pasting sources examples? |
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| 21:15.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they've got all kinds of crap things |
| 21:15.53 | jetscreamer | dont give examples |
| 21:15.56 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 21:15.57 | dpkg | hmm... sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 21:15.59 | abrotman | that was hard |
| 21:16.01 | jetscreamer | they're examples |
| 21:16.06 | abrotman | THEY'RE BAD |
| 21:16.11 | jetscreamer | more lies |
| 21:16.12 | leehambley | 'invalid operation setup' |
| 21:16.20 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 21:16.23 | abrotman | it's got fucking kanotix lines you idiot |
| 21:16.29 | concept10 | I forgot, how to count all packages in sid? |
| 21:16.33 | dvs | !blame jetscreamer |
| 21:16.33 | jetscreamer | that is also an example |
| 21:16.36 | pingouin | abrotman: how can i remove those start link in 2345 with update-rc.d ? |
| 21:16.37 | abrotman | someone is just going to uncomment it and use the whole thing |
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| 21:16.44 | jetscreamer | note it's commented out |
| 21:16.54 | leehambley | so, I could use that ? |
| 21:17.00 | cartesian1984 | Is the kernel in debian etch built with jffs2 support? Can I have my / on a jffs2 filesystem? |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | idiot .. the only thing not commented out is sid .. godo fucking thinking |
| 21:17.08 | ryoshu | are there ANY chances for etch in 2007 or 2008? |
| 21:17.12 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 21:17.12 | dpkg | it has been said that wwer is http://release.debian.org/etch-timeline |
| 21:17.19 | cartesian1984 | !jffs2 |
| 21:17.19 | concept10 | abrotman, how to count all packages in the sid repo with dpkg? I forgot |
| 21:17.22 | jetscreamer | abrotman: if they are that dense, let them. |
| 21:17.23 | xand | ryoshu: hopefully within a week or so |
| 21:17.26 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 21:17.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's your damn fault |
| 21:17.37 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:17.40 | jetscreamer | i feel bad |
| 21:17.42 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20179 packages, 1802 maintainers, 47033 MB installed size, 15753 MB compressed size. |
| 21:17.42 | xand | love |
| 21:17.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: don't give them that .. |
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| 21:17.45 | xand | feel the LOVE |
| 21:17.48 | ryoshu | lol week :---) |
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| 21:17.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're going to fuck someone's machine |
| 21:17.59 | concept10 | abrotman, thanks man. |
| 21:18.08 | jetscreamer | i refuse to admit that the human race is an idiot |
| 21:18.22 | leehambley | so.. I'm not going to use that :) |
| 21:18.23 | jetscreamer | i don't care if you say it's true |
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| 21:18.27 | dvs | ryoshu: more like tomorrow |
| 21:18.28 | leehambley | how do i find out what OS this is on ? |
| 21:18.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: if someone doesn't know how to make a sources.list .. why would you give them a sample where the only item *uncommented* is unstable ? |
| 21:18.35 | leehambley | I've inherited a fucked server, and have to rescue it |
| 21:18.42 | leehambley | and i'm not a debian fan at the best of tiems :( |
| 21:18.43 | abrotman | leehambley: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:18.49 | daeos | abrotman: returned nothing |
| 21:19.01 | abrotman | you're a gnome user ? |
| 21:19.02 | orollomarc | lol |
| 21:19.10 | ryoshu | i was thinking about etch in 2008 or maybe maybe in late 2007.. |
| 21:19.20 | jetscreamer | fam is more than just gnome nowadays i 'think' |
| 21:19.23 | ryoshu | thanks for information! |
| 21:19.23 | jetscreamer | but that's sid |
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| 21:19.34 | abrotman | sure .. but if he's coming from sarge .. not much else uses it in sarge |
| 21:19.51 | leehambley | it came back: |
| 21:19.52 | leehambley | ii libc6 2.3.6-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:20.21 | row | if fsk is running on boot it does show progress or whatever right? |
| 21:20.30 | abrotman | daeos: apt-cache rdepends libfam0c102: |
| 21:20.31 | jetscreamer | leehambley: i don't mean this following |
| 21:20.32 | row | fsck* |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | daeos: apt-cache rdepends libfam0c102 |
| 21:20.48 | jetscreamer | leehambley: i'm sorry, i didn't know you were an idiot, do not use my examples please |
| 21:20.52 | row | not sure if fsck is running or something has hung just after it |
| 21:20.56 | leehambley | why am I an idiot ? |
| 21:20.57 | abrotman | leehambley: you inherited this server ? |
| 21:20.59 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 21:21.01 | leehambley | I've never used debian before |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | leehambley: can you still strangle the former admin ? |
| 21:21.09 | jetscreamer | leehambley: see the line above that one i typed |
| 21:21.12 | leehambley | (abrotman: changed jobs) |
| 21:21.18 | jetscreamer | [16.21.00] <jetscreamer> leehambley: i don't mean this following |
| 21:21.20 | pingouin | i got it i think ;) |
| 21:21.22 | pingouin | update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 21:21.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:21.24 | leehambley | jetscreamer: don't sweat it |
| 21:21.40 | pingouin | bye bye apache2 at boot |
| 21:21.44 | leehambley | so, It's freaking, is there any way to grab the standard sources.list that came with the machine installed? |
| 21:21.50 | leehambley | this has clearly been tampered with |
| 21:21.55 | abrotman | leehambley: can you paste the ones you have now ? |
| 21:22.01 | pingouin | thanks to lead me to the man |
| 21:22.10 | leehambley | sure abrotman, i just googled this was about to replace it... |
| 21:22.15 | leehambley | http://wiki.splitbrain.org/sources.list with that << |
| 21:22.22 | abrotman | leehambley: paste yours |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:22.23 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 21:22.52 | dvs | leehambley: yikes! it has almost all the versions! |
| 21:22.59 | abrotman | dvs: there is pinning below it |
| 21:23.14 | leehambley | abrotman: here http://channels.debian.net/paste/5976 |
| 21:23.26 | nn-k-laptop | pin abrotman |
| 21:23.34 | abrotman | leehambley: uhm .. welcome to unstable ? |
| 21:23.43 | leehambley | ... erm ? |
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| 21:23.53 | abrotman | leehambley: is there a /etc/apt/preferences file ? |
| 21:24.01 | leehambley | might I be on unstable, for the former admin to install Apache2/php5 ? |
| 21:24.04 | leehambley | abrotman: lemme check |
| 21:24.18 | daeos | abrotman: that was a big list |
| 21:24.30 | leehambley | abrotman: no there isn't |
| 21:24.44 | jetscreamer | only src seems to be sid |
| 21:24.45 | abrotman | leehambley: you're on unstable .. not generally considered a good thing for servers |
| 21:24.55 | leehambley | okidoke! |
| 21:24.58 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 21:24.58 | leehambley | what makes that unstable... |
| 21:25.05 | jetscreamer | the unstalb eline |
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| 21:25.12 | leehambley | ok |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | leehambley: that there's no pinning and you have all versions in there |
| 21:25.13 | jetscreamer | deb http://mirror.iglu.org.il/pub/debian-amd64/debian unstable main |
| 21:25.16 | leehambley | (just checking_ |
| 21:25.19 | leehambley | ok |
| 21:25.29 | abrotman | though .. that might be empty |
| 21:25.30 | leehambley | is there a viable reason that I might be on unstable ? |
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| 21:25.39 | dvs | leehambley: not for a server |
| 21:25.47 | leehambley | dvs, not even for apache2/php5 ? |
| 21:25.51 | abrotman | there is no debian mirror there |
| 21:25.52 | dvs | nope |
| 21:25.57 | abrotman | leehambley: show us the output of apt-get update |
| 21:25.59 | jetscreamer | previous guy wanted a little excitement in his life? or wanted to give YOU a going away present? |
| 21:26.13 | dvs | jetscreamer: or he really hated his job. ;-) |
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| 21:26.55 | concept10 | that looks like a sarge box to me with someone adding some extra repos for amd64 '' |
| 21:27.05 | jetscreamer | change everything to etch and pray? |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman | concept10: you'd be wrong |
| 21:27.18 | leehambley | well, if sarge is on AMD64.. surely - then it knows to use AMD64 packages ? |
| 21:27.26 | abrotman | ah no |
| 21:27.33 | leehambley | abrotman: it just does |
| 21:27.36 | leehambley | dies* |
| 21:27.36 | dvs | leehambley: sarge doesn't have an AMD 64 |
| 21:27.46 | leehambley | erm... sarge must do, it's an AMD64 box |
| 21:27.47 | leehambley | :S |
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| 21:27.54 | abrotman | leehambley: must do ? |
| 21:27.56 | aleph0 | hello everyone.... |
| 21:27.59 | jetscreamer | 64bit cpu can run 32bit apps |
| 21:28.01 | aleph0 | I need some advice |
| 21:28.02 | jetscreamer | and os |
| 21:28.06 | leehambley | ok |
| 21:28.11 | jetscreamer | !tell aleph0 -about ask |
| 21:28.12 | leehambley | so it's 32bit OS on a 64bit CPU ? |
| 21:28.13 | jetscreamer | there's some |
| 21:28.20 | abrotman | leehambley: nope |
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| 21:28.39 | aleph0 | my system is stalling (100% CPU usage) but I cannot find which process is responsible |
| 21:28.49 | aleph0 | in 'top' all processes are at 0% |
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| 21:29.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: aren't you glad he didn't use your sources :) |
| 21:29.02 | oblio_ | hola |
| 21:29.05 | aleph0 | where can I find out more? |
| 21:29.09 | oblio_ | is there an autoconfig tool for setting up your sound card? |
| 21:29.19 | abrotman | !tell oblio_ about alsa one-liner |
| 21:29.30 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you mean base his sources off my examples? wouldn't matter |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:29.36 | oblio_ | thank you abrotman |
| 21:29.53 | jetscreamer | abrotman: fix the aptitude one :p |
| 21:30.01 | leehambley | ok, so whats the crack, can i just use the sources.list that is on here ? http://wiki.splitbrain.org/sources.list |
| 21:30.05 | leehambley | well, just the carge bit |
| 21:30.07 | leehambley | sarge** |
| 21:30.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: phone? |
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| 21:30.17 | jetscreamer | that guy, wasshisname |
| 21:30.34 | jetscreamer | [16.24.47] <daeos> abrotman: that was a big list |
| 21:30.42 | aleph0 | anyone? is there a prog. better than "top" to find out what is causing the slowdown? |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | daeos: can i see your sources as they are now |
| 21:30.58 | concept10 | leehambley, was that the original sources.list? |
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| 21:31.09 | aleph0 | it's CPU usage, not I/O wait... that's why I am confused that in top all progs are marked as 0% |
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| 21:31.24 | leehambley | concept10: this is what it looked like.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5976 |
| 21:31.35 | leehambley | everything seems to 404 |
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| 21:31.44 | leehambley | is there not just a standard /sources.list someone can give me ? |
| 21:31.51 | leehambley | ... the one that comes when you install Sarge |
| 21:31.53 | simonrvn | no there isn't |
| 21:32.09 | daeos | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5977 |
| 21:32.22 | leehambley | simonrvn: cheers, why not... do u know ? |
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| 21:32.53 | simonrvn | because it depends on a number of factors... that list is auto-generated on install |
| 21:33.02 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 21:33.03 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 21:34.34 | leehambley | apt-setup works, then says this: |
| 21:34.35 | leehambley | Failed to access the Debian archive x |
| 21:34.35 | leehambley | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.35 | leehambley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.54 | VaLouille | pwned xD |
| 21:35.00 | solemnwarning | ncurses paste, lovely |
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| 21:35.16 | leehambley | oopse, guess that was too big |
| 21:35.18 | leehambley | :( |
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| 21:35.26 | leehambley | wheres the paste bot ? |
| 21:35.34 | torsten2 | /topic |
| 21:35.48 | torsten2 | FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:35.53 | torsten2 | :) |
| 21:36.00 | leehambley | apt-setup reports: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5978 |
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| 21:37.51 | leehambley | ...it's throwing 404's no matter what repositroy I try and use, how can I ID my version ? |
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| 21:38.41 | jetscreamer | abrotman: all you get http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 21:38.51 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 21:39.56 | abrotman | !version |
| 21:39.56 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 21:40.09 | leehambley | ya know... |
| 21:40.16 | leehambley | i'm not even convinced this is a debian server! |
| 21:40.28 | nn-Ds | lol |
| 21:40.28 | leehambley | ahh, yay |
| 21:40.34 | leehambley | cat /etc/devian_version says 3.1 |
| 21:40.39 | leehambley | ... that might make this easoier |
| 21:41.22 | jetscreamer | that means sarge |
| 21:41.38 | leehambley | yeah, ok -- sooooo |
| 21:41.45 | jetscreamer | but |
| 21:42.00 | jetscreamer | it throws 404's doesn't mean anything cept you have bad url |
| 21:42.09 | jetscreamer | or bad net connectivity |
| 21:42.12 | jorgp | !gnome |
| 21:42.12 | leehambley | ok I just did this: emptied sources.list - and then ran apt-setup - chose a mirror from the list it provided, and apt-get update still 404'ed on every one |
| 21:42.12 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 21:42.30 | jetscreamer | apt-spy is broken in sid... |
| 21:42.36 | jetscreamer | !depends apt-spy |
| 21:42.37 | dpkg | apt-spy: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcurl3 (>= 7.15.5-1) |
| 21:42.39 | leehambley | surely, it'd not 404 if it coundln't reach the server |
| 21:42.41 | daeos | abrotman: did you miss my paste ? |
| 21:42.42 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 21:42.51 | abrotman | no .. but i was seriously on the phone :) |
| 21:42.58 | abrotman | damn jetscreamer wasn't any help |
| 21:43.07 | daeos | ok let me relink you |
| 21:43.10 | abrotman | daeos: i have it |
| 21:43.21 | abrotman | daeos: you're doing a dist-upgrade .. right ? not just a regular upgrade ? |
| 21:43.26 | daeos | right |
| 21:43.30 | abrotman | daeos: paste `apt-cache policy libc6` |
| 21:43.30 | daeos | i did exactly what you showed me |
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| 21:45.45 | webmind | good day |
| 21:46.13 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:46.20 | jetscreamer | wet, cold... good |
| 21:46.38 | webmind | I've got a package which fails an upgrade (python-matplotlib), but when I try to remove it, it says I should reinstall it first |
| 21:46.47 | webmind | any idea how I could do this ? |
| 21:46.59 | abrotman | like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 ? |
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| 21:47.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: did you get snow too ? |
| 21:47.29 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no it only snows in houston bout once every 10 years or so it seems |
| 21:47.43 | abrotman | they had snow in crawford .. but i don't know where that is in relation to you i guess |
| 21:47.48 | abrotman | i guess a good bit farther north |
| 21:48.04 | jetscreamer | webmind: abrotman's 'like this' was meant for you i believe |
| 21:48.19 | webmind | abrotman, yes, looks like it |
| 21:48.29 | webmind | but I'm running sid |
| 21:48.33 | abrotman | so are they |
| 21:49.11 | webmind | but is there a way I can get arround it ? |
| 21:49.16 | webmind | or de-install the packag e? |
| 21:49.19 | daeos | abrotman: it told me it was installed |
| 21:49.23 | webmind | s/ e/e / |
| 21:49.26 | daeos | Installed: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 |
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| 21:50.04 | abrotman | daeos: is there a candidate ? |
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| 21:50.23 | daeos | Candidate: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | daeos: try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:51.08 | jetscreamer | lemme know when you give up dude |
| 21:51.10 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:51.23 | abrotman | i have no fear .. i'll just kill libfam :) |
| 21:51.25 | jetscreamer | i have to go buy smokes :/ |
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| 21:51.46 | jetscreamer | i'll wait... i need to smoke less :/ |
| 21:51.51 | jelly-home | ¡es |
| 21:51.59 | jetscreamer | gah i hate being sick and hurt at the same time |
| 21:52.06 | jetscreamer | lol@@jellyhome |
| 21:52.08 | jelly-home | ¡hola! |
| 21:52.12 | jetscreamer | err jelly-home |
| 21:52.35 | daeos | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 21:52.35 | daeos | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 21:52.41 | jetscreamer | as root dude |
| 21:52.52 | jetscreamer | or close any open aptitudes/others |
| 21:53.06 | jelly-home | another apt, aptitude or dpkg may be running |
| 21:53.49 | daeos | lol |
| 21:53.52 | daeos | i used sudo |
| 21:54.25 | daeos | i did... |
| 21:54.35 | daeos | sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:54.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:54.42 | jetscreamer | nono |
| 21:54.46 | jetscreamer | sudo both times |
| 21:54.51 | jetscreamer | infront of apt-get |
| 21:54.59 | jetscreamer | the && is like line2 |
| 21:55.13 | abrotman | or sudo $(apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) .. i think that works |
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| 21:55.39 | abrotman | no .. that's not it |
| 21:55.42 | daeos | abrotman: didn't work lol |
| 21:55.49 | oblio_ | abrotman: sound still isn't coming up... did that, ran alsaconf, it detects the card.. but then from apps i get stuff like this |
| 21:55.55 | jetscreamer | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:56.23 | oblio_ | abrotman: ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' |
| 21:56.27 | daeos | wow |
| 21:56.33 | daeos | sudo && sudo worked |
| 21:56.37 | abrotman | ah .. no $ in front |
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| 21:56.54 | abrotman | oblio_: unload all the sound modules .. try again |
| 21:56.58 | jetscreamer | by worked do you mean no error? |
| 21:57.00 | oblio_ | done it twice :-/ |
| 21:57.03 | oblio_ | im looking for alsa text progs |
| 21:57.07 | daeos | abrotman: am i going to need to reboot? |
| 21:57.10 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 21:57.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | snd should be unloaded also |
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| 21:57.16 | concept10 | does sudo come installed on sarge? |
| 21:57.17 | abrotman | daeos: for what ? |
| 21:57.23 | abrotman | concept10: don't think so |
| 21:57.27 | jetscreamer | concept10: no you have to explicitly install it |
| 21:57.33 | jetscreamer | even in etch |
| 21:57.35 | concept10 | thats what I thought |
| 21:58.14 | jetscreamer | now that is a factoid that needs work |
| 21:58.19 | ronni | I'm experiencing the dreaded OOM killer. The thing that's weird, my swap space is not being fully used before OOM killer starts killing random processes. Maybe just 10% of swap space is being used before OOM killer starts killing. |
| 21:58.20 | jetscreamer | !forget alsa-bork |
| 21:58.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i forgot alsa-bork |
| 21:58.44 | ronni | How can I force it to use all my swap space while still keeping vm.swappiness set to 10. |
| 21:58.48 | ronni | ? |
| 21:59.00 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 21:59.00 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 21:59.22 | daeos | abrotman: im saying after this long dl is done, will it require a reboot? |
| 21:59.35 | jetscreamer | i guess that means it works now |
| 21:59.45 | jetscreamer | daeos: yes |
| 21:59.51 | jetscreamer | libc6 is being upgraded |
| 21:59.59 | abrotman | daeos: ah heck yeah |
| 22:00.04 | jetscreamer | that or the kernel is about the only reasons to reboot |
| 22:00.05 | abrotman | and the kernel |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | daeos: actually .. wait |
| 22:00.18 | abrotman | erm .. nm .. too late now |
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| 22:00.23 | jetscreamer | the kernel won't be upgraded till you explicitly tell it to |
| 22:00.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it will if you have the metapackage installed |
| 22:00.40 | jetscreamer | ah good pint |
| 22:00.42 | jetscreamer | point |
| 22:00.57 | jetscreamer | i had a problem with one of those once .. now i don't have em |
| 22:01.12 | concept10 | I hate metapackages |
| 22:01.18 | abrotman | metapackages are great |
| 22:01.19 | jetscreamer | y yo |
| 22:01.22 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:01.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnmoe then abrotman |
| 22:01.34 | jetscreamer | gnome even |
| 22:01.37 | abrotman | just imagine trying to install kde without metapackages |
| 22:01.59 | abrotman | i used to install gnome like that .. it isn't fun |
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| 22:02.15 | jetscreamer | i live to install kde w/o metapackages.. well actually, i choose the metapackage indselect, then unselect all it selected, then pick&choose what it wanted |
| 22:02.19 | jetscreamer | from what it wanted |
| 22:02.29 | concept10 | abrotman, they are nice but a bother at the same time (I guess on ubuntu systems) because they use too many of them. I don't have many problems on debian |
| 22:02.29 | abrotman | cheater |
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| 22:02.34 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:02.42 | abrotman | concept10: there are lots of them .. |
| 22:02.56 | jetscreamer | jsut ask |
| 22:03.19 | jetscreamer | s/uninstall/unselect |
| 22:03.26 | jetscreamer | fuck the dog is puking |
| 22:03.40 | abrotman | were you fucking the dog ? |
| 22:03.46 | h3sp4wn | Personally use the bits of kde I need from source (startup is much faster) |
| 22:03.46 | ronni | puking? |
| 22:03.47 | concept10 | for example on ubuntu, it wants to autoremove half of my system because I refuse to install their metapackages with all of those dependencies I dont need |
| 22:03.59 | ronni | maybe from the pet contamination stuff |
| 22:04.04 | abrotman | concept10: tha'ts because it used aptitude |
| 22:04.08 | jetscreamer | 'tfgmyhufrkjyrekyjfmhfmhvkmhgk |
| 22:04.13 | abrotman | maybe he nmaed his dog "fuck" |
| 22:04.31 | abrotman | it was a gift from his wife ... |
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| 22:04.54 | concept10 | I love my new etch box, 285 packages ! (and loving it) |
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| 22:05.02 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: It doesn't use aptitude (it uses its own crappy hack to apt-get to try to make it like aptitude) |
| 22:05.05 | leehambley | ok guys, this fucks |
| 22:05.10 | abrotman | sucks ? |
| 22:05.11 | leehambley | sucks* even |
| 22:05.15 | leehambley | yeah, damn, sorry - |
| 22:05.18 | war | I remember reading an article a few months ago for those people who just want a nice digital answering machine, not a full-fledged PBX aka asterisk, anyone remember the name of it? |
| 22:05.20 | daeos | abrotman: what is too late? |
| 22:05.30 | leehambley | ... i can't find a sources.list that isn't filled with 404s |
| 22:05.32 | leehambley | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.33 | abrotman | daeos: i was going to have you do something .. but it's not a big deal |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | leehambley: oh ffs |
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| 22:05.37 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, are you speaking of autoremove? |
| 22:05.43 | abrotman | leehambley: you're going to use etch ? |
| 22:05.51 | leehambley | what is etch ? |
| 22:05.51 | abrotman | leehambley: what country are you in? |
| 22:05.56 | leehambley | UK |
| 22:06.06 | h3sp4wn | concept10: Possibly |
| 22:06.07 | dalias | hey totally off-topic but is there any way to get rid of the huge search area on google maps anymore? |
| 22:06.16 | h3sp4wn | concept10: (probably) |
| 22:06.22 | dalias | i just want to see the map, not 50% of my screen wasted on empty space |
| 22:06.40 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, im glad I took your lead and started using zsh, its the best thing that has happened to me |
| 22:06.53 | abrotman | leehambley: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:07.03 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 22:07.10 | abrotman | he can't use sarge |
| 22:07.12 | leehambley | what is etch ? |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:07.21 | abrotman | etch is yet to be released |
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| 22:07.27 | jetscreamer | try the lines just to see if they work or not |
| 22:07.29 | abrotman | but you're so far beyond sarge .. you have no hope of using that |
| 22:07.42 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter if it actually downloads anything |
| 22:07.50 | leehambley | i don't want to use etch :S |
| 22:07.51 | jetscreamer | tries to upgrade/update, rather |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | leehambley: you can't use sarge |
| 22:07.57 | jetscreamer | !reeinstall |
| 22:07.59 | jetscreamer | err |
| 22:08.00 | leehambley | why not ? |
| 22:08.02 | jetscreamer | !eeinstall |
| 22:08.04 | jetscreamer | shit |
| 22:08.09 | jetscreamer | go ahead abrotman |
| 22:08.13 | jetscreamer | i can't type |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | leehambley: because you've got tons of packages that aren't in sarge |
| 22:08.22 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 22:08.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 22:08.25 | leehambley | abrotman: how do we know that ? |
| 22:08.26 | abrotman | leehambley: the idiot admin that preceded you was using unstable for a server |
| 22:08.28 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 22:08.32 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 22:08.33 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:08.35 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 22:08.37 | jetscreamer | that one |
| 22:08.41 | jetscreamer | is why you can't |
| 22:08.41 | leehambley | ahh, so by using unstable... its fucked |
| 22:08.43 | leehambley | :( |
| 22:08.49 | leehambley | can I not stay on sarge unstable |
| 22:08.52 | abrotman | you can try etch .. and see what happens |
| 22:08.55 | abrotman | sarge isn't unstable |
| 22:08.59 | abrotman | sarge was never unstable |
| 22:09.00 | techrush | anyone know my freesh install of etch wont keep its time set right after i reboot ? |
| 22:09.04 | abrotman | sarge was released almost two years ago |
| 22:09.05 | jetscreamer | leehambley: etch will be stable very very soon |
| 22:09.11 | h3sp4wn | concept10: I think I use less than 20% of what it can do still (always find new tricks) zargs is nice |
| 22:09.11 | leehambley | ahh, i'm starting to see why this is fucking up! |
| 22:09.17 | abrotman | leehambley: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:09.21 | jetscreamer | if it was me (and i stress if it was me) i'd go etch |
| 22:09.25 | abrotman | leehambley: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:09.25 | jetscreamer | you will be anyway |
| 22:09.33 | leehambley | thanks, lemme try that |
| 22:09.34 | jetscreamer | contrib non-free? |
| 22:09.38 | abrotman | leehambley: can you kill the prior admin |
| 22:09.39 | jetscreamer | maybe no |
| 22:09.47 | jetscreamer | for server |
| 22:09.51 | abrotman | leehambley: you only need "contrib non-free" if you use that stuff |
| 22:10.00 | abrotman | leehambley: many people leave them off |
| 22:10.04 | leehambley | what is contrib and non-free |
| 22:10.06 | jetscreamer | just put main, like your old sources were |
| 22:10.14 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 22:10.18 | abrotman | stuff that either isn't really free .. or depends on stuff that isn't really free |
| 22:10.18 | warjets | things like pine or djb software that comes with ghetto licenses |
| 22:10.26 | abrotman | pine isn't even in debian last i checked |
| 22:10.28 | abrotman | anywhere |
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| 22:10.37 | h3sp4wn | it is |
| 22:10.38 | warjets | abrotman: it comes with a pine-tracker package |
| 22:10.38 | jetscreamer | it was in stable iirc... or was that woody |
| 22:10.43 | jetscreamer | only as source though |
| 22:10.46 | h3sp4wn | the source is |
| 22:10.52 | abrotman | warjets: i don't think it's there anymore is it ? |
| 22:10.58 | h3sp4wn | (and really that is all that matters) |
| 22:11.01 | warjets | you have to compile it, the tracker package will update and prompt you on how to reinstall the new src from scratch |
| 22:11.01 | daeos | man.... those servers have bad upload.. im getting less than 20k per second |
| 22:11.05 | jetscreamer | leehambley: your old list did not have contrib non-free in it. maybe you don't want them. (up to you) |
| 22:11.06 | warjets | i'm pretty sure it is |
| 22:11.07 | abrotman | oh .. it is |
| 22:11.30 | leehambley | score apt-get update worked |
| 22:11.35 | abrotman | daeos: depends on the mirror you're using |
| 22:11.39 | leehambley | buuttt, trac isn't in teh list :( |
| 22:11.44 | abrotman | trac ? |
| 22:11.54 | abrotman | can we fix one problem at a time ? |
| 22:11.55 | daeos | abrotman: shame i can't change it in the middle of a download |
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| 22:12.04 | abrotman | daeos: hit ctrl-c .. try again |
| 22:12.05 | daeos | getting 42 k now |
| 22:12.06 | jetscreamer | daeos: ctrl+c, cange it, start over |
| 22:12.10 | jetscreamer | change |
| 22:12.25 | daeos | where is a better mirrior that you guys recommend? |
| 22:12.32 | jetscreamer | daeos: you won't lose anything you already downloaded btw |
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| 22:12.38 | crazy_penguin | 'night to all! :) |
| 22:12.43 | Szeraax | where are you abouts? |
| 22:12.51 | daeos | texas |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | daeos: when you're done .. you can run apt-spy |
| 22:13.00 | abrotman | daeos: i think there's a tamu mirror |
| 22:13.02 | leehambley | abrotman: so, it updated the package list..... |
| 22:13.04 | leehambley | that's cool |
| 22:13.06 | Szeraax | i'm in utah and i get great speen from oregon state |
| 22:13.16 | Szeraax | speed* |
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| 22:13.25 | abrotman | ah .. there is a stmarytx.edu though |
| 22:13.27 | twobitsprite | so, I just bought a dell AMD 64 X2 computer, and I have my Debian Etch amd64 CD 1... I type "expert" at the boot prompt, and it starts to boot |
| 22:13.31 | daeos | eww |
| 22:13.33 | jetscreamer | leehambley: now try apt-get upgrade maybe |
| 22:13.33 | daeos | st marys |
| 22:13.39 | abrotman | who cares .. it's just bandwidth :) |
| 22:13.39 | daeos | thats here in san antonio |
| 22:13.44 | Szeraax | lol |
| 22:13.49 | leehambley | jetscreamer: will that not risk shagging my system |
| 22:13.50 | twobitsprite | it gets all the way to "io scheduler cfq registered (default)" and just stops there |
| 22:14.01 | abrotman | daeos: seems like it might be a good one to try |
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| 22:14.03 | jetscreamer | daeos: if you change sources you need to apt-get update again |
| 22:14.14 | twobitsprite | I've also tried it with "noacpi"... |
| 22:14.18 | abrotman | leehambley: that could totally fuck your system .. but you kind of have to |
| 22:14.19 | jetscreamer | daeos: mirrors.kernel.org is great from houston, unless it's bogged |
| 22:14.26 | leehambley | abrotman :( |
| 22:14.27 | Szeraax | i have to do acpi=off |
| 22:14.30 | jetscreamer | i switch between that and debian.org |
| 22:14.31 | abrotman | odd .. in PA mirrors.kenrel is crap |
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| 22:14.33 | Szeraax | noacpi doesnt work for me |
| 22:14.59 | abrotman | leehambley: you really don't have a choice .. basically .. from what i can tell you're running a snapshot of unstable from about nine months ago |
| 22:15.00 | twobitsprite | I'll try that |
| 22:15.05 | jetscreamer | abrotman: 'sometimes' it gets bogged, |
| 22:15.27 | twobitsprite | Szeraax: that did it, thanks :) |
| 22:15.31 | Szeraax | cool |
| 22:15.33 | Szeraax | glad to help |
| 22:15.45 | jetscreamer | leehambley: you might want to make a list |
| 22:15.50 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 22:15.54 | jetscreamer | for if you have to |
| 22:15.57 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:15.59 | keith80403 | Etch will have 22 CD's is that correct? |
| 22:15.59 | jetscreamer | the second part |
| 22:16.00 | abrotman | you mean |
| 22:16.02 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 22:16.03 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 22:16.11 | jetscreamer | ok that then |
| 22:16.16 | leehambley | ahh |
| 22:16.24 | abrotman | ah no .. it's from two months ago |
| 22:16.26 | leehambley | so 'reinstall' shoud just rebuuild all my packages |
| 22:16.30 | leehambley | and not trash the machine |
| 22:16.36 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 22:16.50 | abrotman | oh .. nope .. from 11 months ago |
| 22:17.00 | abrotman | 2.3.6-10 2006/05/23 |
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| 22:17.13 | jetscreamer | no you're just making a list of installed packages to reinstall with if you have to install from scratch ? |
| 22:17.26 | Uz | HI there,.. can someone help me with a strange shell script behaviour? |
| 22:17.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer can! |
| 22:17.31 | Uz | http://nopaste.org/p/apj46zrOU here you go |
| 22:17.32 | daeos | so i just change that file i was messing with earlier to change the location ? |
| 22:17.33 | leehambley | i'm just gonna leave it |
| 22:17.33 | Szeraax | we'll all try... |
| 22:17.38 | jetscreamer | Uz: you can ask in #bash also |
| 22:17.40 | leehambley | .... fuck it - Rackspace can fix it |
| 22:17.46 | jetscreamer | my scripting skills suck |
| 22:17.58 | jetscreamer | i do ok vbscript... :o |
| 22:18.02 | Uz | jetscreamer: I see. well I did not script this.. it's provided by debian itself.. just added some lines in the end |
| 22:18.05 | Szeraax | they would probly know better |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | Uz: uhm .. try $ . ./.bash_profile |
| 22:18.11 | Szeraax | ah |
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| 22:18.16 | jetscreamer | Uz: #bash imo, i know nothing |
| 22:18.19 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i have a new harddrive right, but right now im using an old 20GB, is there any way to transfer all my system files to my new harddrive and use that as a primary drive? |
| 22:18.23 | abrotman | Uz: or use source ~/.bash_profile |
| 22:18.34 | abrotman | leehambley: ? |
| 22:18.42 | leehambley | abrotman: yes mate ? |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | leehambley: is this a public box ? |
| 22:18.44 | BUMBACL0T | because this 20GB harddrive is about to die |
| 22:18.48 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: i boot a live cd and just cp my os to the new hd, change menu.lst and fstab and it just works |
| 22:18.57 | leehambley | abrotman: yes, theres live sites on it |
| 22:19.02 | leehambley | and it can't go down |
| 22:19.06 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, that's it? |
| 22:19.06 | Mazingaro | holy easter to all |
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| 22:19.11 | Uz | abrotman: okay thanks a lot.. that dot thingy worked. But i fear that this doesn'T make a difference if this file is getting executed automatically on opening the shell.. |
| 22:19.15 | Uz | right? |
| 22:19.15 | abrotman | leehambley: right .. but it's so freaking old |
| 22:19.16 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: that's all i do, works for me |
| 22:19.30 | abrotman | Uz: check your .bashrc for notes about .bash_profile |
| 22:19.31 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, what do you mean by 'os' ? |
| 22:19.33 | leehambley | abrotman: isn't Sarge 3.1 current though ? |
| 22:19.39 | BUMBACL0T | you meant "/" ? |
| 22:19.39 | abrotman | you're not running sarge |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | we've been over this |
| 22:19.56 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, tell me the steps |
| 22:20.00 | keith80403 | Mazingaro, Holy Resurrection day to you also |
| 22:20.01 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: cp -a /mnt/hda1/* /mnt/hdb1/ |
| 22:20.01 | Szeraax | 3.1r5 is current |
| 22:20.07 | Uz | abrotman: I was actually wondering why .bash_profile was including .bashrc and not vice versa (as it was on my ubuntu system) |
| 22:20.08 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 22:20.10 | abrotman | Uz: uhm .. nm .. got that backwards |
| 22:20.15 | Uz | Mh. |
| 22:20.18 | Mazingaro | keith80403: :) |
| 22:20.21 | abrotman | leehambley: you're not running anything close to sarge |
| 22:20.21 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, don't i have to format first? |
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| 22:20.25 | jetscreamer | that is what i do, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
| 22:20.31 | leehambley | abrotman: it said it was 3.1 ? |
| 22:20.35 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: yes, and partition it too if it's not |
| 22:20.38 | leehambley | .. with unstable, shoudl make it sarge+ |
| 22:20.45 | jetscreamer | partition first, then create fs |
| 22:20.50 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, i see |
| 22:20.51 | Uz | well okay it seems to work anyways |
| 22:20.53 | abrotman | leehambley: what did ? |
| 22:20.58 | Uz | I just need to relogin I guess |
| 22:20.59 | leehambley | unsme -r |
| 22:20.59 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, ill try it tonight |
| 22:21.01 | leehambley | uname -r |
| 22:21.04 | leehambley | no, etc |
| 22:21.04 | abrotman | leehambley: it's not sarge+ .. it's just fucked |
| 22:21.07 | Uz | thanks for your help :-) |
| 22:21.09 | leehambley | cat /etc/debian_Version |
| 22:21.11 | abrotman | leehambley: paste the output of uname -a |
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| 22:21.22 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
| 22:21.28 | leehambley | Linux 87476-www.******** 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 #1 Wed Sep 28 02:31:26 CEST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:21.30 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 15624 kB |
| 22:21.30 | abrotman | that's how we know you're not running sarge |
| 22:21.33 | leehambley | (can't reveal my hostname, sorry) |
| 22:21.53 | jetscreamer | hello etch |
| 22:22.28 | jetscreamer | leehambley: etch will BE stable very shortly, if that helps. sarge goes byebye |
| 22:22.41 | leehambley | ok, i'm going to have to get rackspace to rebuild the server |
| 22:22.46 | leehambley | ...re-image* sorry |
| 22:22.50 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 22:22.52 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, someone said that like 2 months ago |
| 22:22.57 | abrotman | leehambley: that kernel isn't in sarge |
| 22:22.58 | jetscreamer | make sure the backup is back enough |
| 22:22.59 | BUMBACL0T | i've been waiting |
| 22:23.05 | abrotman | leehambley: make sure they do it right .. |
| 22:23.11 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: it was probably me |
| 22:23.15 | leehambley | *sigh* I hate rackspace |
| 22:23.16 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 22:23.19 | abrotman | leehambley: though you might want to wait a few days or a bit more and have them do etch |
| 22:23.28 | leehambley | ...literally, days ? |
| 22:23.33 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 22:23.33 | dpkg | i guess wwer is http://release.debian.org/etch-timeline |
| 22:23.33 | jetscreamer | cant swear |
| 22:23.35 | leehambley | can I get a sarge and dist-upgrade |
| 22:23.35 | abrotman | we hope so |
| 22:23.39 | abrotman | you can |
| 22:23.49 | jetscreamer | you're right... ^%^$^$* |
| 22:23.57 | abrotman | but if you're going to get it reimaged .. you could wait a few days ... the idea is that it should be done .. RSN |
| 22:24.21 | abrotman | though i haven't heard how far down that timeline they are |
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| 22:25.25 | abrotman | i'd guess tuesday ? |
| 22:25.29 | abrotman | NFC really though |
| 22:25.51 | abrotman | tuesday in some part of the world :) |
| 22:26.00 | jetscreamer | hope so i'm tired of forgetting there is a sarge |
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| 22:27.05 | keith80403 | jetscreamer, Even though Etch is coming RSN, Sarge has been very stable and has had bugfixes for almost two years - that's something to consider. |
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| 22:27.30 | abrotman | i'm not looking forward to dist-upgrading that nasty tomcat box |
| 22:27.37 | abrotman | and i might not have to \o/ |
| 22:28.37 | rudenstam | I'm having problems finding my usb disk, kernel 2.6.8-2-686, debian 3.1... I get a bunch of ehci_hcd errors in dmesg just... any tips ? |
| 22:28.54 | jetscreamer | keith80403: it's remembering that it exists and ppl run it and that it has different ways from sid |
| 22:29.23 | jetscreamer | it's just me |
| 22:29.34 | keith80403 | jetscreamer, Yeah, I know - I maintain a bunch of production systems and I don't want any problems, so I know what you mean. |
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| 22:32.41 | xs | hi. i'm trying to fix an aborted install. my disk recently got some bad blocks, and now i get "Correcting dependencies...Segmentation fault" from apt-get -f install. any ideas how to fix/avoid this? |
| 22:33.07 | Szeraax | dont intall on a partiton that uses that part of the disk |
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| 22:33.31 | xs | Szeraax: the bad blocks have been remapped. |
| 22:33.45 | Szeraax | well, i dunno then |
| 22:33.46 | sussudio | xs: dselect update |
| 22:35.27 | daeos | hmm picked up more now |
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| 22:36.49 | xs | sussudio: ! nice. thank you! dselect update != apt-get update then? |
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| 22:37.03 | jetscreamer | no |
| 22:37.22 | jetscreamer | sudo dselect update && sudo dselect --expert select && sudo dselect install && sudo dselect config && sudo dselect remove |
| 22:37.25 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 22:37.57 | sussudio | xs: dselect update rebuilds the indexes i think |
| 22:38.19 | xs | sussudio: that's useful to know. thanks again :) |
| 22:38.25 | jetscreamer | omfg don't use dselect!!!!!! |
| 22:38.30 | jetscreamer | 'they' said so |
| 22:38.36 | daeos | they = abrotman |
| 22:38.39 | jetscreamer | no |
| 22:38.42 | jetscreamer | they are many |
| 22:38.44 | sussudio | %do jetscreamer |
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| 22:38.51 | xs | jetscreamer: the voices on your head? |
| 22:38.57 | abrotman | see .. we found the other person |
| 22:39.02 | daeos | hehe |
| 22:39.03 | jetscreamer | no, the text on my irc |
| 22:39.24 | abrotman | daeos: i'm not the only one |
| 22:39.26 | jetscreamer | you know... THEM! |
| 22:39.31 | daeos | i wonder if im going to run into compatibility issues with etch, using apache, php, and my sql |
| 22:39.53 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: you could do sudo sh -c 'everything' and not do a lot of sudos |
| 22:40.16 | jetscreamer | my cli skills still suck |
| 22:40.21 | daeos | %do the due |
| 22:40.36 | relia | Just to make sure, 'passwd -l root' would be all there is to disabling the root account? |
| 22:40.50 | jelly-home | %botabuse |
| 22:40.51 | badgers | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:41.04 | daeos | %stupidbot |
| 22:41.06 | jetscreamer | !botlove |
| 22:41.10 | daeos | %stupid bot |
| 22:41.10 | badgers | no, stupid daeos |
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| 22:41.14 | daeos | lol |
| 22:41.27 | abrotman | relia: you really don't want to do that |
| 22:41.27 | daeos | %lol |
| 22:41.28 | badgers | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:41.29 | jetscreamer | oh it's botsex |
| 22:41.31 | jelly-home | %botsnack |
| 22:41.32 | badgers | jelly-home: :) |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | okay . enough ? |
| 22:41.55 | daeos | abrotman: im laughing my ass off over here |
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| 22:42.31 | jelly-home | daeos: there's also /msg badger stuff |
| 22:42.33 | relia | abrotman: Well, just how would I? Want to keep the model Ubuntu/MacOS uses with sudo. |
| 22:42.53 | jelly-home | relia: you don't have to lock it, just don't use it |
| 22:42.58 | jetscreamer | !debian-bots |
| 22:42.58 | dpkg | methinks debian-bots is #debian-bots where little kids play with their toys. |
| 22:43.00 | daeos | omg, Ubuntu is copying MacOS ??????!!!?!?!?! |
| 22:43.15 | jetscreamer | i thought they were copying debian |
| 22:43.15 | amphi | daeos: in what way? |
| 22:43.26 | jetscreamer | ah... speaking of, ABROTMAN |
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| 22:43.32 | daeos | haha |
| 22:43.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:43.36 | jelly-home | relia: I mostly use sudo these days too... seen it in Ubuntu ;-) |
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| 22:43.48 | abrotman | speaking of ? |
| 22:43.50 | jetscreamer | this is not #ubuntu, this is #debian, where users are supposed to have a clue |
| 22:43.54 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:44.18 | jetscreamer | i forgot to say that earlier |
| 22:44.19 | abrotman | go get more smokes |
| 22:44.23 | daeos | i think abrotman should have a spot on ATHF |
| 22:44.26 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: we do? |
| 22:44.28 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to put it off |
| 22:44.30 | relia | Will see how long I can go knowing the root account is active I suppose. :V |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | daeos: on who ? |
| 22:44.42 | jetscreamer | mfrisch: not 'do', are 'supposed to' :) |
| 22:44.45 | omg0 | can I tell grub to boot from an ISO of a bootable cd and it will work? any idea how I can get the ISO on the hard drive to boot? |
| 22:45.02 | mfrisch | jetscreamer: ok. I will pretend for ratings. |
| 22:45.03 | jetscreamer | omg0: yes, no |
| 22:45.10 | jetscreamer | inthat order |
| 22:45.37 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:45.53 | daeos | abrotman: kingcolon.com |
| 22:45.58 | jelly-home | not that helpful is it |
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| 22:47.15 | jelly-home | omg0: do you expect to be able to access the contents of the CD after it boots? |
| 22:47.15 | streuner | omg0: what are you trying to do ? |
| 22:47.26 | abrotman | daeos: oh |
| 22:47.30 | omg0 | yes |
| 22:47.44 | omg0 | I expect to access the contents |
| 22:48.15 | daeos | i expect abrotman is more like a Frylock.... than a Masta Shake |
| 22:48.21 | jelly-home | the eltorito floppy image can probably be booted with some offset munging, but using the iso image as a CD would be hard |
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| 22:48.30 | abrotman | i can't be quantified! |
| 22:48.46 | jelly-home | omg0: I don't think it would work, sorry |
| 22:49.30 | streuner | omg0: there is hd-media |
| 22:49.35 | omg0 | yah |
| 22:49.47 | omg0 | I am putting the image on the hd |
| 22:49.55 | streuner | so why do you need that? |
| 22:49.59 | streuner | only to install? |
| 22:50.00 | Szeraax | to be cool |
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| 22:50.34 | streuner | omg0: or simply just run it in emulation modus |
| 22:50.43 | daeos | abrotman: to think, i went from 2.4 to 2.6, now from sarge to etch JUST FOR KISMET! |
| 22:50.50 | jelly-home | fuckin debian man pages for GNU apps referring to nonexisting info pages |
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| 22:50.55 | streuner | omg0: i.e. in qemu |
| 22:50.55 | omg0 | I have a cdrom that I can access after boot. But my problem is how to boot then boot the os from the cdrom |
| 22:50.57 | Szeraax | so did i!!! |
| 22:51.00 | Szeraax | lol |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | daeos: not worth it |
| 22:51.05 | jelly-home | "info grub" --> shows the man pages again, in info :-| |
| 22:51.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: they're nonfree :) |
| 22:51.20 | daeos | not worth it? |
| 22:51.22 | Szeraax | well, it was also a learning experience for me, so i think it was worth it |
| 22:51.28 | daeos | the guys in #kismet would not help me if i didn't |
| 22:51.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: so write that in the man page :-| |
| 22:51.37 | abrotman | jelly-home: i was joking .. i hvae no idea |
| 22:51.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: /me goes to file off some bugs |
| 22:52.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, you're probably right in that the docs might be under GFDL |
| 22:52.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: where do info docs reside ? |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: what is the command in question ? |
| 22:52.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: grub |
| 22:52.44 | abrotman | i have an info page in etch |
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| 22:53.14 | abrotman | wtf are the info pages stored ? |
| 22:53.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: you probably have grub-doc installed |
| 22:53.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: usually /usr/share/info I think |
| 22:53.29 | abrotman | nope |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | eh .. weird .. info grub works .. but i don't see to have an info page for it |
| 22:53.58 | omg0 | When I was reading the debian installer it said something about putting the iso on the usb memory stick which makes me know it is possible |
| 22:54.04 | streuner | knusper:/usr/share/doc/gdesklets-data# dpkg -L wget | grep info |
| 22:54.07 | abrotman | however .. info grub tells me to read .. info grub |
| 22:54.12 | streuner | /usr/share/info/wget.info.gz |
| 22:54.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: works as in shows the man page again? |
| 22:54.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: shows something |
| 22:54.24 | omg0 | the problem is I don't know if it is debian specific |
| 22:54.31 | daeos | abrotman: im prompted for a debian-config now |
| 22:54.37 | abrotman | so answer it |
| 22:55.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: when did that start ? |
| 22:55.19 | daeos | what interface would i choose? dialog? |
| 22:55.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:55.36 | streuner | abrotman: /usr/share/info/ |
| 22:55.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: a long time ago, but I've only noticed it on grub just now |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | ah yeah .. it's in grub-doc |
| 22:55.53 | abrotman | oh well ... |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | info pages are just as bad as man pages :) |
| 22:56.17 | streuner | !be a man page barbie |
| 22:56.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm considering filing mass bugreports for misleading man pages |
| 22:56.18 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
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| 22:56.53 | abrotman | is grub-doc nonfree ? |
| 22:56.57 | abrotman | !info grub-doc etch |
| 22:56.59 | streuner | abrotman: feel free to write some ;-) |
| 22:57.00 | dpkg | grub-doc: (Documentation for GRand Unified Bootloader), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.97-27 (etch), Packaged size: 266 kB, Installed size: 944 kB |
| 22:57.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: no |
| 22:57.11 | abrotman | weird |
| 22:57.21 | xand | lots of man pages are the same as info pages, and both say "see info page" :| |
| 22:57.33 | jelly-home | xand: no |
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| 22:57.46 | streuner | sure, see wget's man and info page... |
| 22:57.46 | jelly-home | xand: info just falls back to showing the man page |
| 22:57.56 | abrotman | sounds like a bad plan! |
| 22:57.59 | xand | well man page shouldn't say to use info |
| 22:58.20 | streuner | it shouldn't hurd â„¢ |
| 22:58.22 | jelly-home | xand: it shouldn't say _just_ that |
| 22:59.00 | jelly-home | xand: something like "the real documentation is in foo-doc page, after installing it use info foo" |
| 22:59.46 | streuner | abrotman: How is life today? |
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| 22:59.51 | abrotman | i'm sick and tired |
| 23:00.19 | abrotman | my 'info wget' doesn't tell me to read the info page |
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| 23:00.42 | bigmb | hey hey hey |
| 23:00.51 | bigmb | people keep bouncing me from channel to channel |
| 23:01.02 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:01.04 | bigmb | hopefully someone here can help me |
| 23:01.11 | jelly-home | bigmb: which distor are you using? |
| 23:02.10 | jetscreamer | there is no man grub |
| 23:02.12 | jetscreamer | not to speak of |
| 23:02.23 | jetscreamer | there is info grub though |
| 23:02.28 | bigmb | jelly-home...Ubuntu 6.10 |
| 23:02.32 | streuner | !love abrotman |
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| 23:02.51 | abrotman | bigmb: the obvious answer is to go to #ubuntu |
| 23:02.51 | GhostlyDeath | oh hey |
| 23:02.57 | GhostlyDeath | I figured out why it crashed |
| 23:02.57 | jelly-home | bigmb: you'll be bounced from here too, I'm afraid |
| 23:03.00 | bigmb | lol |
| 23:03.01 | GhostlyDeath | it was no modules |
| 23:03.13 | bigmb | Unbuntu --> winehq --> debian --> Ubuntu |
| 23:03.21 | bigmb | it's a vicious cycle of losingness for me |
| 23:03.31 | abrotman | uhm .. we didn't give you your OS or your wine |
| 23:03.41 | GhostlyDeath | somehow the No-Exucute thingy in memory got enabled and VT something got enabled |
| 23:03.45 | jelly-home | bigmb: we could try to help you if you used Debian |
| 23:03.54 | bigmb | yep, okies |
| 23:03.58 | bigmb | I'll pop back to ubuntu |
| 23:03.58 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: you here? |
| 23:04.04 | bigmb | and see you all in a few LOL |
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| 23:05.12 | streuner | abrotman: what's with some vacation? |
| 23:05.28 | abrotman | streuner: i'd love some |
| 23:05.42 | daeos | abrotman: yes or no.... Should man and mandb be installed 'setuid man'? |
| 23:05.49 | jelly-home | "* Invoking grub-md5-crypt:: How to generate a cryptic password" |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | daeos: that's up to you .. read the question and choose wisely |
| 23:06.26 | daeos | abrotman: im asking because i don't understand the question |
| 23:06.47 | jelly-home | daeos: if you're the only user and the machine isn't on the internets, you can say yes |
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| 23:07.07 | jetscreamer | daeos: i tell it yes, myself |
| 23:07.27 | daeos | 1. its on the internet |
| 23:07.30 | daeos | 2. its a web server |
| 23:07.36 | daeos | 3. i usually am the only user |
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| 23:07.48 | jelly-home | daeos: no is the safe bet. |
| 23:07.55 | daeos | (sometimes with some ssh clients connecting .... that be me) |
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| 23:08.02 | daeos | ok |
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| 23:08.52 | Saint`Belmont | Ummm. |
| 23:09.21 | Saint`Belmont | Question. |
| 23:09.33 | abrotman | daeos: why does your webserver run X ? |
| 23:09.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: mandb .. like three days ago ? |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1278 |
| 23:10.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: fuck |
| 23:10.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: ? |
| 23:10.59 | Saint`Belmont | I have a question about the newest Debian release. |
| 23:11.15 | streuner | there is none |
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| 23:11.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: like, an interjection for utter surprise and disbelief |
| 23:11.27 | abrotman | oh ok :) |
| 23:11.43 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: so what's the problem? |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: there was another one in 2003! |
| 23:12.51 | Saint`Belmont | streuner: Well, I have downloaded it and whatnot. And installed it on my laptop, after fighting with it to get it to work. And I see no GUI, only a Dos-like screen. I know that is a vital part of linux. But I thought there was going to be a display. |
| 23:13.04 | abrotman | Saint`Belmont: which GUI would you like ? |
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| 23:13.19 | blizzow | ok, so I used make-kpkg to create a new 2.6.20 kernel for my debian 4.0 system. I am still having problems booting up though. I keep getting: "cannot open root device" /dev/mapper/crypt1 or unknown block(hd0,0)" How do I make sure that my encrypted partitions are seen by the device mapper? |
| 23:13.30 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox |
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| 23:13.37 | Saint`Belmont | Does Debian carry the KDE or the FluxBox? |
| 23:13.39 | abrotman | streuner: that's not nice :) |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 23:13.43 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | Saint`Belmont: and you probably would like to install kdm if you install kde or xdm if you install fluxbox |
| 23:14.09 | abrotman | since it sounds like you're scared of DOS :) |
| 23:14.11 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: as you can see nothing at all of both ;-) |
| 23:14.40 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: just run 'apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox' |
| 23:14.46 | Saint`Belmont | Crap, that package is missing. |
| 23:14.56 | Saint`Belmont | Let me guess the first disc is nothing special. |
| 23:15.17 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: does your NIC work? |
| 23:15.22 | Saint`Belmont | NIC? |
| 23:15.32 | streuner | !nic |
| 23:15.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 23:15.43 | Saint`Belmont | Ohh, lol. |
| 23:15.55 | Saint`Belmont | I don't have that on my laptop, it is wireless only. |
| 23:16.02 | streuner | oh |
| 23:16.09 | Saint`Belmont | And I do not have access to the net at this time. |
| 23:16.10 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 23:16.25 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: and you have only CD1? |
| 23:16.45 | jelly-home | what's on the first disc, gnome? kde? |
| 23:16.45 | Saint`Belmont | Yeah. It sucks. |
| 23:16.45 | itchi | How can i redirect the standart error of somethings to a log file and dispay the error on screen also? |
| 23:17.26 | streuner | jelly-home: uhm, in sarge none of a WM or DE, IIRC |
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| 23:18.07 | jelly-home | itchi: do you need stdout too? |
| 23:18.25 | itchi | jelly-home: I want to see it on screen too, and have it in a log file at the same time :-) |
| 23:18.42 | itchi | jelly-home: I'm looking in http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#head-1c3c31fd3ced8d1735b24cddbb177ad01bcc5ef9 but i'm a bit lost :-s |
| 23:18.43 | jelly-home | itchi: you could 2>&1 and pipe to tee but that would log stdout too |
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| 23:19.39 | itchi | jelly-home: oh, cooool :-) Thanks mate |
| 23:19.59 | streuner | Saint`Belmont: Debian makes not much fun without internet |
| 23:20.05 | jetscreamer | iirc a little of both gnome and kde are on cd#1 |
| 23:20.19 | streuner | And X? |
| 23:20.31 | jetscreamer | not much point of gnome w/o x |
| 23:20.49 | Szeraax | i thought only gnome was on cd1 |
| 23:20.58 | Szeraax | i know kde is on cd 2. |
| 23:21.12 | jelly-home | itchi: now if you wanted _only_ stderr logged and displayed, things could get nasty |
| 23:21.17 | jetscreamer | i 'think' a 'little' of both are on #1 |
| 23:21.21 | Szeraax | (i too was stuck without internet through first stages of installing debian too) |
| 23:21.25 | Saint`Belmont | I need some kind of GUI, cuz, damn. |
| 23:21.29 | jetscreamer | not the full blown hogs |
| 23:21.31 | Szeraax | lol |
| 23:21.35 | streuner | !cd contents |
| 23:21.35 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 23:21.38 | Szeraax | then install gnome |
| 23:21.39 | jetscreamer | Saint`Belmont: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:21.52 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah, these things still confuse me a bit :-) |
| 23:21.53 | blizzow | Anybody here know how to get a new kernel to recognize encrypted partitions? |
| 23:22.26 | Saint`Belmont | Says it's unavailable. |
| 23:22.34 | Szeraax | run aptitude |
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| 23:23.10 | Szeraax | go look in there in Uninstalled packages --> X11 --> _something interesting_ |
| 23:23.44 | Szeraax | and also check out X11 in your installed packages too |
| 23:23.50 | streuner | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r5 - Official hppa 3.1r0->3.1r5 update CD #3 - [ List contents ],pool/main/x/xfree86/x-window-system_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3_all.deb |
| 23:24.29 | zenbum | jelly-home: you could do something like 2>foo && tail -f foo |
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| 23:24.32 | jelly-home | itchi: me too. :-) 2>&1 3>`tty` 1>&3 | tee /tmp/stderr |
| 23:25.02 | jelly-home | zenbum: tail is line buffered and a bit slow |
| 23:25.03 | itchi | jelly-home: And in english now :-p |
| 23:25.11 | jetscreamer | like i said, a little of both is on cd#1 |
| 23:25.12 | jelly-home | itchi: in english? |
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| 23:25.25 | itchi | jelly-home: Your previous geek command :-) |
| 23:25.35 | itchi | jelly-home: 2>&1 3>`tty` 1>&3 | tee /tmp/stderr |
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| 23:25.51 | Szeraax | well i was never able to get kde working (core or base or meta all package) untill i got cd 2 |
| 23:25.58 | itchi | I dunno what these '3' do there :-) |
| 23:25.59 | jelly-home | itchi: redirect stdout to fd #3, redirect fd #3 to current tty, and redirect stderr to stdout to pipe it to tee |
| 23:26.00 | streuner | jetscreamer: x-window-system is on CD3 |
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| 23:26.12 | Szeraax | update cd 3 |
| 23:26.13 | itchi | jelly-home: oela :-) |
| 23:26.15 | hooya | what package do you need to reconfigure to get the option to change how dpkg asks you questions? |
| 23:26.31 | Saint`Belmont | omg, so I need cd 3? |
| 23:26.37 | zenbum | jelly-home: what kind of stderr are you generating that tail won't work on? |
| 23:26.38 | Szeraax | ohhh, i was also using 3.1r3 (this was a few onths ago) |
| 23:26.54 | streuner | Szeraax: sure, what do you think he downloaded, do you think the contents changed much on both update and R4? |
| 23:26.55 | jelly-home | zenbum: dunno, it wasn't my question :-) |
| 23:27.18 | Szeraax | i dunno. People are crazy |
| 23:27.22 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 23:27.22 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 23:27.28 | Szeraax | :) |
| 23:27.42 | jetscreamer | streuner: yeah ok the metapackage isn't on there |
| 23:28.04 | jetscreamer | but xserver-xfree86 is... my mistake |
| 23:28.33 | itchi | zenbum: :-p |
| 23:28.41 | streuner | well, xserver-xorg too |
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| 23:28.56 | jetscreamer | oh i missed that one |
| 23:29.00 | Szeraax | on which cd? |
| 23:29.01 | Szeraax | 3? |
| 23:29.33 | streuner | 3 |
| 23:29.37 | Szeraax | hmm, good to know now... |
| 23:29.47 | streuner | xserver-xorg is on DVD1 |
| 23:30.07 | Szeraax | luckily, i've used a work fiber connec and dled all 13 or so and have them in a little cd holder... |
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| 23:30.35 | jelly-home | itchi: that was unnecessarily complex too, 2>&1 >`tty` | tee /tmp/stderr seems to work |
| 23:30.42 | jetscreamer | xserver-xfree86 is on cd#1 |
| 23:30.42 | streuner | and CD1, jetsreamer was right |
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| 23:30.56 | jetscreamer | no you were right gdmit! |
| 23:30.59 | daeos | abrotman: got another question here... let me put it in paste bin |
| 23:31.02 | jetscreamer | admit it! |
| 23:31.09 | Szeraax | haha |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | daeos: NO MAS! |
| 23:31.42 | daeos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5980 |
| 23:32.21 | jetscreamer | daeos: jsut say Y unless you know better |
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| 23:32.39 | daeos | read this and tell me then |
| 23:32.41 | daeos | causei don't know |
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| 23:33.03 | guru | are these good results for a sata drive? Timing cached reads: 1520 MB in 2.00 seconds = 759.27 MB/sec |
| 23:33.23 | itchi | jelly-home: Woooaaa, i still need to learn some things it looks :-p |
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| 23:33.41 | streuner | jetscreamer: yes, sorry :-P |
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| 23:34.01 | blizzow | !mkinitrd |
| 23:34.33 | daeos | abrotman: did you look? |
| 23:34.34 | blizzow | !initrd |
| 23:34.35 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 23:34.39 | daeos | cause i have no idea what to do on that one |
| 23:34.41 | Szeraax | so did we ever actually help out Saint`Belmont:? |
| 23:34.47 | jetscreamer | daeos: he would say what i did |
| 23:34.54 | jetscreamer | just say yes unles you know better |
| 23:34.54 | abrotman | daeos: loks hwer? |
| 23:35.08 | jetscreamer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5980 that |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | daeos: did you change that file ? |
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| 23:35.19 | abrotman | i agree with jetscreamer |
| 23:35.23 | streuner | Szeraax: if he isn't too much confused, he knows now that he need CD3 in order to run X at all |
| 23:35.26 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 23:35.30 | jetscreamer | !the sky is falling! |
| 23:35.31 | dpkg | ...but sky is already something else... |
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| 23:35.36 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 23:35.46 | daeos | ok, so Y to that question huh |
| 23:35.59 | Szeraax | make him use console for a week or two first. That helps. |
| 23:36.09 | jetscreamer | that one and every other one like it, unless you know better and think you should say no |
| 23:36.11 | hon | I want to kinda emulate a new installation without actually going through initial installation procedure. Is there something like apt-get remove --purge all-but-minimal ? |
| 23:36.13 | jelly-home | ¡hola dpkg! |
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| 23:36.34 | jetscreamer | daeos: you will probably get asked that again and again |
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| 23:37.10 | jetscreamer | you can use dselect and uninstall all optional packages just by pressing _ on the section header |
| 23:37.17 | ubuntuuser9090 | i was reffered here from the #ubuntu group, does anyone know alot about the apt-get setup? |
| 23:37.18 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 23:37.43 | jetscreamer | uh ubuntuuser9090 .... this isn't the place for ubuntu dude... sorry |
| 23:37.51 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 23:37.51 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 23:38.09 | zenbum | ubuntuuser9090: define "setup" |
| 23:38.14 | ubuntuuser9090 | they sent me here because apt-get in ubuntu is debian based, they are baffled |
| 23:38.26 | ubuntuuser9090 | im getting really weird errors |
| 23:38.30 | ubuntuuser9090 | it wont connect |
| 23:38.35 | Szeraax | such as? |
| 23:38.37 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is debian based |
| 23:38.55 | ubuntuuser9090 | one sec |
| 23:38.56 | jetscreamer | OMG NOW WE SUPPORT UBUNTU |
| 23:39.01 | jetscreamer | nobody told me |
| 23:39.07 | daeos | oooo #ubuntu.... baffled! |
| 23:39.16 | streuner | jetscreamer: just run /topic |
| 23:39.18 | Szeraax | no!!! we support copies of debian, look at it in this light and it's ok |
| 23:39.31 | ubuntuuser9090 | give me a break here, i dont know anything about irc |
| 23:39.37 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: it doesn't matter .. go to #ubuntu |
| 23:39.37 | ubuntuuser9090 | and it is a basic error |
| 23:39.45 | Szeraax | namely? |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | or try ##linux ... |
| 23:39.51 | streuner | ubuntuuser9090: #ubuntu |
| 23:39.54 | jetscreamer | well we know this is not #ubuntu ... but now it's ubuntu |
| 23:39.58 | ubuntuuser9090 | can you recommend any other group? they could not help |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | get a different distro |
| 23:40.05 | Szeraax | ##linux |
| 23:40.06 | ubuntuuser9090 | please, im baffled |
| 23:40.08 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, just post your pastebin here |
| 23:40.10 | ubuntuuser9090 | very funny |
| 23:40.17 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, the one with the 403 forbiddens |
| 23:40.18 | zenbum | ubuntuuser9090: if you want any help, describe your problem in detail... otherwise go away |
| 23:40.22 | abrotman | xtknight: go to #ubuntu with him |
| 23:40.27 | xtknight | i didnt know how to fix it |
| 23:40.31 | ubuntuuser9090 | one sec |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: if they can't help you .. get another distro |
| 23:40.35 | jetscreamer | hey #ubuntu kicked me out |
| 23:40.36 | xtknight | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14473/ |
| 23:40.44 | jetscreamer | they said my router was compromised |
| 23:40.45 | xtknight | those were his msgs ^^ |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | we don't care |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | GO AWAY |
| 23:40.53 | xtknight | we tried re-importing gpg keys and using different mirrors. the same thing happened |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | !d-i ubuntuuser9090 |
| 23:41.06 | dpkg | ubuntuuser9090, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:41.14 | Szeraax | isp i think |
| 23:41.26 | xtknight | Szeraax, wouldnt be a firewall would it? |
| 23:41.35 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu |
| 23:41.36 | Szeraax | can you go to those sites normally? |
| 23:41.42 | ubuntuuser9090 | i have tried it before |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | Szeraax: go with them |
| 23:41.46 | Szeraax | maybe, maybe not |
| 23:41.49 | xtknight | Szeraax, he said he could wget and dpkg them |
| 23:41.54 | Szeraax | i have to leave for a party now |
| 23:41.55 | abrotman | fucking idiots |
| 23:41.55 | ubuntuuser9090 | if this does not work, i abandon linux, this was my last hope |
| 23:41.57 | Szeraax | sorry |
| 23:42.00 | ubuntuuser9090 | let me postbin this |
| 23:42.02 | streuner | abrotman: trolls |
| 23:42.08 | xtknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.11 | Szeraax | i would love to help, but see ya |
| 23:42.16 | abrotman | !ops ubuntu users can't find #ubuntu |
| 23:42.16 | xtknight | Szeraax, see ya |
| 23:42.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: ubuntu users can't find #ubuntu |
| 23:42.19 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: i'd have to go with malformed sources in sources.list at a guess |
| 23:42.28 | ubuntuuser9090 | its not that |
| 23:42.28 | zenbum | ubuntuuser9090: like the used car salesman says, "maybe linux is too sporty for you" |
| 23:42.30 | ubuntuuser9090 | we tried it |
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| 23:42.32 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: try a generic one |
| 23:42.36 | Szeraax | no, malformed wouldn't give forbidden |
| 23:42.41 | Szeraax | it would give not found |
| 23:42.45 | xtknight | we regenereated it with dapper stock, same thing |
| 23:42.51 | xtknight | dapper stock sources.list i mean |
| 23:42.54 | abrotman | golly .. maybe you should ask #ubuntu ? |
| 23:43.03 | xtknight | abrotman, golly..maybe you should stop trolling |
| 23:43.05 | Szeraax | ubuntuuser, go try debian. then we will actually help |
| 23:43.06 | xand | use sarge sources |
| 23:43.08 | Szeraax | :) |
| 23:43.12 | streuner | xtknight: are you care what the topic here is? |
| 23:43.13 | jetscreamer | no this is the debian-based catchall channel now |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | xtknight: you're not even in the right fucking channel for your question .. |
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| 23:43.22 | jetscreamer | we suport everything, even windows |
| 23:43.29 | zenbum | send Mark Shuttleworth an email... he's always eager to help |
| 23:43.38 | x-Dieu | lol |
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| 23:43.58 | jelly-home | ubuntuuser9090: the question is ubuntu specific, people here can't help you with broken ubuntu repositories' access |
| 23:44.00 | twobitsprite | so, I have a 64bit system (brand new) and I just installed debian etch for amd64... |
| 23:44.05 | zenbum | is windows a debian-based distro now? |
| 23:44.11 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:44.23 | twobitsprite | when I run, i.e., "apt-get install iceweasel" does it know to instal a 64 bit version? |
| 23:44.23 | jetscreamer | or will be next year... yeah that's it |
| 23:44.25 | ubuntuuser9090 | pastebin wont let me work???? |
| 23:44.29 | jelly-home | I have dpkg in cygwin! Only I don't, but I could have! |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | twobitsprite: yes |
| 23:44.40 | abrotman | twobitsprite: dpkg-architecture |
| 23:44.46 | twobitsprite | abrotman: awesome |
| 23:44.50 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 23:45.01 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: try apt-setup or apt-spy |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | see .. look .. Debian questions get answers! |
| 23:45.13 | ubuntuuser9090 | im trying linux for some freinds because i know the most about it, if i cannot get this to work i garuntee you thy wont |
| 23:45.17 | jetscreamer | hey abrotman can i paste my sources.list now? :) |
| 23:45.27 | ubuntuuser9090 | id there an alternate pastebin site? |
| 23:45.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that would totally destroy his system |
| 23:45.34 | xand | ubuntuuser9090: use debian] |
| 23:45.35 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 23:45.35 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 23:45.36 | zenbum | general-purpose solution to any ubuntu problem: sudo rm -rf / |
| 23:45.42 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: noone here is going to help you |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | zenbum: don't do that |
| 23:45.55 | ubuntuuser9090 | fine, then tel me who can |
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| 23:46.01 | deriaN- | www.debian.org |
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| 23:46.05 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: ##linux or #ubuntu |
| 23:46.05 | xand | ubuntuuser9090: #ubuntu |
| 23:46.06 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, ehh just come back to #ubuntu for now i guess |
| 23:46.14 | ubuntuuser9090 | i give up |
| 23:46.15 | deriaN- | download businesscard and burn it out and boot : ) |
| 23:46.40 | ubuntuuser9090 | i cant pastebin, i have a server running linux and we cant get a stupid apt-get fixed |
| 23:46.44 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: understand, we are unable to assist. it's not our sources. |
| 23:46.47 | abrotman | Rei-chan: he's in #debian asking for ubuntu support ? |
| 23:46.59 | ubuntuuser9090 | no, jsut geneirc support on apt get |
| 23:47.13 | abrotman | so go #redhat and ask for SuSE support and see what they say |
| 23:47.14 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: it works with debian sources |
| 23:47.15 | ubuntuuser9090 | its a strange error, not ubuntu specifiv |
| 23:47.16 | Rei-chan | abrotman: That's what I figured... The user forgot the first rule: Feign debian. |
| 23:47.21 | streuner | ubuntuuser9090: enough, go away! |
| 23:47.22 | ubuntuuser9090 | *specific |
| 23:47.32 | twobitsprite | how do I find out what video mode x is running at? |
| 23:47.34 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: it's not that we don't like you it's that it's NOT generic |
| 23:47.39 | abrotman | twobitsprite: xdpyinfo |
| 23:47.47 | jelly-home | ubuntuuser9090: some of your repositories are bad |
| 23:47.49 | zenbum | ubuntuuser9090: your /etc/apt/sources.list is prolly screwed up.... talk to #ubuntu about it |
| 23:47.57 | ubuntuuser9090 | look, hand me a debian sources list and i will get the same error |
| 23:48.08 | jelly-home | ubuntuuser9090: no, you won't |
| 23:48.14 | jetscreamer | ubuntuuser9090: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: if you do that .. you'll end up with a severely broken machine |
| 23:48.17 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 23:48.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: don't do that! |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: don't use those sources |
| 23:48.29 | jetscreamer | don't let it install anything, just apt-get update |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're going to totally fuck up his box |
| 23:48.33 | ubuntuuser9090 | i know |
| 23:48.34 | jelly-home | ubuntuuser9090: this REALLY is a distro specific issue |
| 23:48.37 | jetscreamer | then change back immediately |
| 23:48.44 | Rei-chan | ubuntuuser9090: We're definately not going to help you on #Ubuntu if you create some bastard Debian/Ubuntu box. |
| 23:48.47 | abrotman | or he could .. GO TO #ubuntu |
| 23:48.52 | ubuntuuser9090 | im not going to install, just show the errors |
| 23:49.04 | jetscreamer | just one line |
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| 23:49.12 | abrotman | gonna screw up the box ... |
| 23:49.12 | Rei-chan | He's on #Ubuntu. Someone suggested he come here. Probably for the lulz. |
| 23:49.13 | zenbum | let's create a bastard debian/ubuntu/linspire box |
| 23:49.16 | jetscreamer | abrotman: where is your sense of adventure |
| 23:49.25 | Rei-chan | zenbum: You forgot Gentoo. |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: we do NOT support ubuntu ? |
| 23:49.36 | abrotman | you're going to hose his box .. |
| 23:49.37 | zenbum | Rei-chan: excellent! |
| 23:49.39 | jetscreamer | actually i tried to mix ubuntu and debian sources. you do NOT want to |
| 23:49.53 | jetscreamer | abrotman: he said he will only apt-get update |
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| 23:49.59 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: really .. go back to #ubuntu .. ask again |
| 23:50.05 | ubuntuuser9090 | i give up, i like linux, i like the ideals, but no one can even send me to a place where i can get help, #ubuntu could not help me |
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| 23:50.07 | ubuntuuser9090 | im off of linux |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: anything we tell you could destroy your box |
| 23:50.11 | jetscreamer | then change back. and if he does it's NOT my fault |
| 23:50.14 | streuner | jetscreamer: you're actions aren't helpful at all atm |
| 23:50.18 | jetscreamer | we've already said that |
| 23:50.28 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, just come back to #ubuntu for now |
| 23:50.32 | xtknight | sorry i sent you here |
| 23:50.38 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: i'd very much recommend going to #ubuntu and waiting for someone who can answer it .. or ask the mailing list |
| 23:50.38 | ubuntuuser9090 | you could at least refer me to an alternate other than #ubuntu |
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| 23:50.38 | ubuntuuser9090 | ok |
| 23:50.41 | Rei-chan | ubuntuuser9090: #Ubuntu doesn't always give help immediately. That is the caveat, you have to wait till someone who knows what they're talking about is on. |
| 23:50.55 | concept10 | there is nothing worse than a headless box that doesnt run dhcpclient on boot |
| 23:50.57 | Rei-chan | ubuntuuser9090: But coming here for help is like, say, going into #Windows on MSDN.NET |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | ubuntuuser9090: i'd go for a mailing list |
| 23:51.03 | streuner | jetscreamer: you bring us in a bad situation to some people who don't give a damn about us at all. |
| 23:51.04 | jetscreamer | #ubuntu+1 ? |
| 23:51.16 | ubuntuuser9090 | it woount let me change rooms??????? |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's like the #debian-sid channel |
| 23:51.22 | jetscreamer | streuner: only if he doesn't do wht he siad |
| 23:51.23 | xand | !room |
| 23:51.24 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:51.28 | ubuntuuser9090 | AHHH |
| 23:51.34 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, /join #ubuntu |
| 23:51.37 | ubuntuuser9090 | w/e im new to irc |
| 23:51.37 | zenbum | concept10: a 10-megaton atom bomb about to detonate is worse... especially if it's in your bedroom |
| 23:51.38 | Rei-chan | ubuntuuser9090: Type /join #ubuntu |
| 23:51.41 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, or click the #ubuntu tab |
| 23:51.41 | ubuntuuser9090 | thats what im doint |
| 23:51.43 | Rei-chan | Also, you're already THERE. |
| 23:51.44 | ubuntuuser9090 | *doing |
| 23:51.48 | ubuntuuser9090 | ? |
| 23:51.49 | jetscreamer | hey wtf did you /part #ubuntu for |
| 23:51.51 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:51.51 | DawnLight | is anyone familiar with SpeedTouch modem? i can use some help comfiguring it. i've been trying for days... |
| 23:51.52 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 23:51.57 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, type /part #debian |
| 23:51.58 | ubuntuuser9090 | i ditndnt??? |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | !speedtouch |
| 23:52.03 | abrotman | !speedtouch usb |
| 23:52.03 | dpkg | [speedtouch usb] http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/ |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | that's not helpful |
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| 23:52.11 | xtknight | ubuntuuser9090, or restart Xchat or gaim |
| 23:52.17 | twobitsprite | linux just froze on me! :( |
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| 23:52.29 | mixman_ | labos nakties |
| 23:52.37 | twobitsprite | like, I couldn't even get to a vterm with alt-f2 |
| 23:52.39 | xand | lets invade #ubuntu |
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| 23:52.44 | twobitsprite | er, ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 23:52.49 | techrush | happend to me today also twobitsprite |
| 23:52.52 | zenbum | twobitsprite: ssh? |
| 23:52.57 | Rei-chan | xand: Please! :) |
| 23:53.05 | twobitsprite | zenbum: no... |
| 23:53.12 | techrush | twobitsprite, i think i can blame my freeze on beryl though.....whats your excuse :P |
| 23:53.13 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: ping? |
| 23:53.16 | daeos | abrotman: did you guys scare off ubuntuuser9090 ?? |
| 23:53.22 | jetscreamer | ok there is a problem, and i don't know how to define it |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | daeos: we could potentially seriously screw up his box .. it's in his best interest to not get help from us |
| 23:53.43 | zenbum | daeos: yes, thankfully |
| 23:53.48 | stew | hi |
| 23:53.50 | jelly-home | daeos: the ubuntu guys told him how to restart the browser. |
| 23:53.57 | twobitsprite | zenbum, jelly-home: er, sorry... misunderstood... no, I don't have another box on the network right now, so I couldn't ping, etc |
| 23:53.58 | abrotman | hi stew |
| 23:53.59 | jelly-home | err, irc client |
| 23:54.02 | abrotman | stew: returned so soon ? |
| 23:54.08 | stew | nope |
| 23:54.25 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: so you don't know it's frozen. Might be "only" X |
| 23:54.36 | abrotman | stew: another couple of days? |
| 23:54.38 | jetscreamer | intelligent ppl listen blindly to others, then spew forth the other ppl's thoughts, w/o .. dang i cant' find the words |
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| 23:54.42 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: but usually when X crashes, I can still get to a vterm |
| 23:54.43 | stew | abrotman: 2 |
| 23:54.48 | abrotman | 2 is a couple :) |
| 23:54.52 | Rei-chan | abrotman: I'm actually gonna ask wtf the problem is on #Ubuntu. Considering all the .debs have -ubuntu on the end of em, I wouldn't ask for help here either. :) |
| 23:55.00 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: the keyboard could have been left in RAW state |
| 23:55.06 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you say dselect sucks. explain. |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | Rei-chan: maybe they think it's funny |
| 23:55.12 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: try alt-sysrq-R |
| 23:55.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 23:55.17 | jetscreamer | back it up. |
| 23:55.22 | jetscreamer | facts please. |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | let's break something with it |
| 23:55.28 | zenbum | Rei-chan: I rather doubt that noobs parse the filenames of .debs |
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| 23:55.33 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: hmm I can't remember how to enable the magic sysreq key |
| 23:55.33 | jetscreamer | (this is an example of what i can't put into words) |
| 23:55.36 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: and then ctrl-alt-fX |
| 23:55.37 | daeos | oh man, my apache server got killed :( |
| 23:55.44 | jetscreamer | yes. what are you going to break |
| 23:56.01 | Rei-chan | abrotman: I think the person just needs some help, and #ubuntu is in its lull right now. :( Had to ask 3 times to find out if sshd comes installed by default. :( |
| 23:56.08 | redduck666 | jelly-home: it works out of the box here. |
| 23:56.12 | omg0 | can I change my fs3 filesystem to dos without losing what's on it |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | Rei-chan: this would fall under the 'Not our problem' category :) |
| 23:56.31 | abrotman | omg0: ext3 ? |
| 23:56.33 | jetscreamer | omg0: cp it somewhere first, then copy it back |
| 23:56.36 | streuner | omg0: no, only backup would help |
| 23:56.52 | Rei-chan | :) |
| 23:56.52 | twobitsprite | looks it is enables |
| 23:57.12 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: does unrawing the keyboard help? |
| 23:57.14 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you say dselect is bad. me, i think you are saying that because other ppl said it. please prove me wrong. |
| 23:57.25 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: I'll have to wait for it to freeze again :P |
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| 23:57.36 | jetscreamer | i'm not trying to pick on you or start anything btw |
| 23:57.39 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: eh |
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| 23:57.49 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: i.e. I rebooted it |
| 23:58.10 | streuner | jetscreamer: why not wasting your time somewhere else? |
| 23:58.22 | jetscreamer | or you streuner ... |
| 23:58.34 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: I do that sometimes when the machine goes numb, it's quicker to reboot than to wait for it to regain composure |
| 23:58.46 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner--> |
| 23:58.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i've had my nightmares with dselect .. i abandoned it to use straight apt-get |
| 23:59.37 | jetscreamer | would that be a package selection menu problem? |
| 23:59.39 | stew | !tell abrotman about why aptitude |
| 23:59.41 | stew | bye |
