| 00:00.08 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: IMHO: dselect keybindings are horrible. aptitude is just a bit better. |
| 00:00.48 | jetscreamer | ok i'll give you the keybindings. this is why everybody disparages the program? |
| 00:00.54 | zenbum | aptitude is too hard to type... they should change the name to just "a" |
| 00:01.06 | jetscreamer | alias it in .bashrc zenbum |
| 00:01.07 | SerajewelKS | zenbum: apti<tab> works |
| 00:01.10 | jetscreamer | not hard |
| 00:01.15 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 00:01.23 | zenbum | alias is too hard to type.... that should be "a" too |
| 00:01.33 | SerajewelKS | !lart zenbum |
| 00:01.37 | daeos | why not call it apti ? |
| 00:01.39 | jelly-home | zenbum: it should start when you think about it! |
| 00:01.40 | zenbum | ugh... that hurt |
| 00:01.43 | SerajewelKS | zenbum: your nick is too hard to type, please /nick z |
| 00:01.44 | daeos | just a letter away from apt |
| 00:01.50 | SerajewelKS | zenbum: :P |
| 00:02.04 | Rei-chan | OK, I'm gonna ask a question, feel free to lart me. :) |
| 00:02.14 | zenbum | the love I feel here is really special |
| 00:02.23 | jelly-home | Rei-chan: the answer is 42 |
| 00:02.25 | SerajewelKS | !love zenbum |
| 00:02.40 | daeos | !scron zenbum |
| 00:02.41 | jetscreamer | so |
| 00:02.44 | Rei-chan | apt-get pulls repositories (sources?) via http? |
| 00:02.45 | daeos | !scorn zenbum |
| 00:02.46 | streuner | zenbum: if you searching for love you might need to go some other place ;-) |
| 00:02.49 | daeos | bah |
| 00:03.04 | jetscreamer | everybody says dselect is evil because it has crap keybindings is all i've gotten |
| 00:03.11 | zenbum | !scrotum daeos |
| 00:03.15 | jetscreamer | (yeah not everybody but you know what i mean) |
| 00:03.16 | daeos | haha |
| 00:03.42 | streuner | jetscreamer: dselect is a bitch, because its hard for new users, it could be a very fine tool, but most users just hate it. |
| 00:03.47 | daeos | !fish zenbum |
| 00:03.54 | jelly-home | Rei-chan: it pulls repo. indexes usually via http right, but there are other protocols too (ftp) |
| 00:04.05 | jetscreamer | and it's not 'dselect' i'm trying to discuss, it's the mental attitude on that and lots of other things i'm trying to get at |
| 00:04.24 | zenbum | !fling-excrement daeos |
| 00:04.25 | Rei-chan | Ok. I'm trying to help the nice ubuntu user with his problem, and figure that I should understand apt-get. |
| 00:04.33 | daeos | !monkey zenbum |
| 00:04.35 | streuner | jetscreamer: its bad too, because many users switch to other distros, because they think dselect was too hard to use... |
| 00:04.40 | Rei-chan | Other than lol I type in "apt-get install" and stuff happens! |
| 00:04.58 | abrotman | stew: thanks! |
| 00:05.02 | daeos | zenbum: im just playing with you, just to point out |
| 00:05.03 | jelly-home | Rei-chan: it wouldn't be ubuntuuser9090, would it? :-) |
| 00:05.06 | xtknight | lol |
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| 00:05.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: hell no .. iut's bad because it's just awful |
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| 00:05.24 | zenbum | daeos: it's too late... you've irreparably hurt my feeling |
| 00:05.25 | jetscreamer | awful exactly how |
| 00:05.34 | jetscreamer | ok keybindings and selection menu |
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| 00:05.50 | Rei-chan | btw, his system is borked. I'm done with it. |
| 00:05.57 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: it's ugly too! |
| 00:06.03 | daeos | !lawl zenbum |
| 00:06.04 | jelly-home | Rei-chan: my guess is either the repositories on the mirror he uses are broken, or his web access is somehow broken |
| 00:06.05 | jetscreamer | ah ugly |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | Rei-chan: ? |
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| 00:06.34 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: its father was a hamster and its mother smelt of elderberries |
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| 00:06.44 | Rei-chan | abrotman: Wrong repositories and other crap. I stopped paying attention after he tried to apt-get wireshark and it started freaking. |
| 00:06.46 | jelly-home | Ni! |
| 00:06.57 | mfrisch | abrotman: you got to read this ;-) http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070404/NEWS01/304030027/-1/CINCI |
| 00:07.03 | jetscreamer | !fart in SerajewelKS' general direction |
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| 00:07.10 | zenbum | "apt-get gives me weird errors but I refuse to provide more details... please help" |
| 00:07.13 | jetscreamer | ooo cool |
| 00:07.18 | jetscreamer | dind't know that was there |
| 00:07.36 | streuner | idiot |
| 00:07.40 | daeos | haha |
| 00:07.53 | jetscreamer | !fart SerajewelKS' |
| 00:07.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:08.05 | daeos | !NI |
| 00:08.06 | dpkg | ni is Nicaragua; 2-letter: ni; 3-letter: nic; number: 558. Ekki ekki ekki ekki-z'Bang zoom-Boing z'nourrrwringmm |
| 00:08.07 | jetscreamer | no ' needed |
| 00:08.12 | zenbum | !fart dpkg |
| 00:08.20 | SerajewelKS | !msg the bot |
| 00:08.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 00:08.31 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: your fart request is duplicate and redundant |
| 00:09.11 | jetscreamer | ok then let's get back to the ridgid midset of #debian and how the opinions of a select few influence everybody and what they say to users |
| 00:09.14 | zenbum | is selftelling a form of autoeroticism? |
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| 00:09.33 | Rei-chan | ... Now I understand why PennMUSH's package is on Debian. |
| 00:09.34 | jelly-home | jelly: no |
| 00:09.39 | daeos | who would have thought then when you get phone service... there is a field that says "Gender" in the provisioning fields |
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| 00:10.01 | blizzo1 | Anyone know what flags I need to pass to make-kpkg to get an initrd file to show up in /boot? I tried --initrd and no img files were placed in my /boot partition after installing the .deb that was generated. |
| 00:10.37 | jetscreamer | blizzo1: less /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ... or was it kernel-img.conf |
| 00:10.40 | jetscreamer | man them also |
| 00:10.58 | zenbum | of course phone service requests one's gender.... female customers need more bandwidth... duh |
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| 00:13.37 | zenbum | blizzow: --initrd works ok for me using vanilla fakeroot, kernel-package, etc |
| 00:14.09 | jhutchins | I thought it was mkinitrd |
| 00:14.30 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --initrd --etal |
| 00:15.24 | blizzow | trying again. hopefully after this 20-30 minutes is up, it will work. When did kernel compiles become such a nightmare? It seemed so much easier in 2.4.x. |
| 00:15.25 | jetscreamer | do_initrd = yes in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 00:15.36 | jetscreamer | kernels are easy |
| 00:15.41 | jetscreamer | esp 2.6 ones |
| 00:16.31 | zenbum | 2.6 is way simpler than 2.4 |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | i don't think i've built one since like 2.6.3 |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | god damn HP |
| 00:18.01 | jetscreamer | i don't have that in my man kernel-img.conf jelly-home |
| 00:18.14 | jetscreamer | s/in/when\ i/ |
| 00:18.38 | jetscreamer | my last time was 2.6.16 or so |
| 00:18.50 | jetscreamer | 15 |
| 00:19.17 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: oh that's at build time, for kernel-pkg.conf |
| 00:19.45 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 00:20.32 | piper69 | abrotman: hey, how are you doing ? |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:21.21 | streuner | hm |
| 00:23.31 | daeos | zenbum: haha |
| 00:23.53 | piper69 | can someone please explain to me 'umask 022' i am having a hard time understand it |
| 00:24.37 | streuner | !tell piper69 about permissions |
| 00:25.11 | piper69 | streuner: that is what i am reading right now , and i don;t understand umask |
| 00:25.25 | abrotman | !umask |
| 00:25.26 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa |
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| 00:28.11 | whitesuit | hey guys, just so i have an idea, after etch gets released, the number of times the testing distribution gets updated is going to get dramatically bigger? because etch in the frozen state to me already had to be updated a lot, im afraid its just gonna get worse after the release |
| 00:29.07 | zinx | after etch gets released there will be a new testing distribution.. is that the one you're inquiring about? |
| 00:29.15 | whitesuit | yes |
| 00:29.24 | nn-Ds | hi all |
| 00:29.38 | zinx | usually yes, the updates will start to increase and be more intrusive |
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| 00:30.03 | whitesuit | does it usually break ? |
| 00:30.07 | zinx | if you don't want that.. then just stay with etch |
| 00:30.19 | zinx | whitesuit: not as much as unstable, hopefully.. |
| 00:30.37 | jhutchins | whitesuit: Generally it's assumed that testing is made available for just that - testing. |
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| 00:30.44 | streuner | piper69: what's hard about what greycat wrote? |
| 00:31.00 | streuner | piper69: read its section (umask) |
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| 00:31.26 | whitesuit | zinx, yeah, im trying to find something stable i can rely on to do my work..im considering using centos or etch (stable) |
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| 00:31.51 | nn-Ds | whitesuit, hi |
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| 00:31.52 | zinx | whitesuit: then asking about testing after etch is released.. is kind of irrelevant :) |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | etch will become stable .. change your sources to point to etch |
| 00:32.00 | streuner | piper69: basically it 'filters' some permissions away whenever you create a file |
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| 00:32.47 | whitesuit | hello nn-Ds |
| 00:32.49 | zinx | whitesuit: releases tend to only have updates for bug fixes and security fixes |
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| 00:33.09 | nn-Ds | whitesuit, wat is up |
| 00:33.11 | whitesuit | yeah, im still not sure if ill stay with debian or go the redhat xen route |
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| 00:33.38 | jhutchins | whitesuit: Desktop or server? |
| 00:33.47 | whitesuit | destkop, workstation |
| 00:34.05 | jhutchins | whitesuit: I would recommend Mandriva for an RPM distro. |
| 00:34.12 | nn-Ds | whitesuit, use Ubuntu |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | nn-Ds: why? |
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| 00:34.30 | jhutchins | nn-Ds: Why ubuntu over debian? |
| 00:35.00 | whitesuit | nah, ubuntu is becoming too much we'll do wathever needs to be done to get users |
| 00:35.34 | nn-Ds | gui?????? |
| 00:35.45 | jhutchins | mandriva has live cd's - mandriva one - but don't use them for installs. (With that I'll get off off topic.) |
| 00:35.53 | abrotman | debian has a liveCD |
| 00:36.08 | xai | bug reports not working at merkel.debian.org.. |
| 00:36.30 | zenbum | ubuntu = debian unstable + unstable stuff from other sources + random hacking to try to get it to work |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | xai: ? |
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| 00:39.04 | Rei-chan | Did someone just suggest Ubuntu on #Debian? |
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| 00:39.17 | abrotman | it happens when trolls show up |
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| 00:39.36 | xai | abrotman: my aptgets are hanging on bug reports.. times out on merkel but I can't find any other block or problem. |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | you mean apt-listbugs ? |
| 00:40.08 | xai | abrotman: i think its integrated into my apt system. |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | it is |
| 00:40.21 | jetscreamer | apt-listbugs is broke atm i heard |
| 00:40.34 | jetscreamer | simonrvn was saying that earlier |
| 00:40.36 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 00:40.50 | jetscreamer | oh lookie a windoes cd key |
| 00:41.20 | xai | jetscreamer: do you know how to disable listbugs in apt? |
| 00:41.52 | jetscreamer | you 'could' remove it and install it again later... i don't know how to just disable it though |
| 00:42.01 | jetscreamer | there should be a way however |
| 00:42.38 | krazykit | as far as listing bugs, reportbug-ng is pretty nice, if you like gui stuff. |
| 00:42.54 | xai | jetscreamer: thanx.. |
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| 00:45.24 | apt-apt | Why is it that networkmanager-gnome does not run in user accounts other than the account created at installation? When in another's account, I can't even run it as root. Other users can connect through eth0, but not the wireless. I'm using Etch. |
| 00:46.18 | jetscreamer | probably you need to be in some other group |
| 00:46.22 | nivanson | apt-apt, add the users who should be allowed to use nm-applet in group netdev. this is for security reasons |
| 00:46.22 | jetscreamer | not sure which |
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| 00:46.26 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:46.42 | apt-apt | thanks! |
| 00:49.13 | \amethyst | xai: you can comment out the line in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs |
| 00:49.56 | jetscreamer | ah is that where those hide |
| 00:49.58 | jetscreamer | cool |
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| 00:50.59 | peyote | Is it possible to encrypt all partitions via dm-crypt including /boot? So that e.g. I can boot from an USB stick and then after entering a pasword the kernel on the hardrive gets decrypted and loaded. |
| 00:52.18 | markybob | peyote: yes. google. http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_Encrypting_Root_Filesystem_with_DM-Crypt |
| 00:52.52 | elefth | I am trying to play my star wars DVD and I get the error: "Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?" |
| 00:53.04 | rastilin | Are you? |
| 00:53.42 | peyote | markybob: Thanks. Will have a look at the url |
| 00:54.03 | markybob | elefth install libdvdcss2 from marillat |
| 00:54.16 | elefth | marillat? |
| 00:54.19 | markybob | !marillat |
| 00:54.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
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| 00:57.28 | elefth | markybob, thank you |
| 00:57.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | DawnLight: Why are you pinging me? |
| 00:58.06 | c0nv1ct | he pinged everyone |
| 00:58.11 | abrotman | DawnLight: please don't do that |
| 00:58.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why? |
| 00:58.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Troll? |
| 00:58.34 | markybob | probably just a fucker |
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| 00:59.27 | abrotman | brottman: ? |
| 00:59.36 | markybob | heh |
| 00:59.37 | brottman | yes? |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | i wasn't the last one! |
| 00:59.46 | DawnLight | sorry |
| 01:01.13 | brottman | etch release is imminent? |
| 01:01.35 | markybob | brottman: dont count your eggs |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | it has been said that wwer is http://release.debian.org/etch-timeline |
| 01:02.00 | liable | tomorrow! |
| 01:02.01 | abrotman | do you think he's the real breadman? |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | wtf are all the germans that always pick on me! |
| 01:02.56 | Reiser2 | abrotman: when you sleep? |
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| 01:03.18 | abrotman | Reiser2: it's 9pm here |
| 01:03.30 | Reiser2 | hummm |
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| 01:05.50 | Reiser2 | here is 9:00 PM |
| 01:05.50 | Reiser2 | are you in europa? |
| 01:05.54 | Reiser2 | europe |
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| 01:06.24 | brottman | I assume he's in the U.S., probably the Eastern time zone... its 9pm here |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | !phillysmite Reiser2 |
| 01:07.46 | Reiser2 | hummm |
| 01:07.57 | Reiser2 | should be miami |
| 01:08.00 | Reiser2 | brazil |
| 01:10.09 | Reiser2 | Satiago, Santo Domingo, Otawa, Washington |
| 01:10.21 | Reiser2 | there is 9:00 PM now |
| 01:10.22 | DawnLight | i have working internet via eth0 which is set to dhcp. on eth1 i have a modem which is running a dhcp server also, and is not connected to the internet. when i enable eth1 from kde control center i stop having access to the internet. why is that? help? |
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| 01:14.02 | Reiser2 | dpkg what mean "smites Reiser2 with a raging Eagles fan" |
| 01:14.13 | liable | DawnLight: because your route is prolly set to the unconnected modem |
| 01:14.19 | jaredj | !fish Reiser2 |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | Reiser2: the Philadelphia Eagles |
| 01:14.42 | abrotman | !tell cheeseboy about root |
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| 01:15.04 | jaredj | !lart dpkg |
| 01:15.43 | Reiser2 | i am downloading Etch, use this Xorg ? |
| 01:15.54 | elefth | ah..I'm giving u, I can't get the fscking dvd to play |
| 01:16.02 | elefth | up |
| 01:16.04 | nivanson | Reiser2, It does. |
| 01:16.22 | DawnLight | Liable, do you mean the default gateway? |
| 01:16.32 | DawnLight | liable |
| 01:16.33 | liable | DawnLight: yes |
| 01:16.38 | DawnLight | hmm... |
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| 01:17.19 | DawnLight | do i have connection... |
| 01:17.23 | Reiser2 | so, what distros will use xfree86? |
| 01:17.52 | DawnLight | do i still have connection... |
| 01:17.55 | liable | DawnLight: eth0 is still up, but because eth1 was just enabled, it got a lease from the modem, and set the default gw to that ip |
| 01:18.45 | liable | DawnLight: compare the output of 'route' before and after enabling eth1 |
| 01:19.08 | jaredj | Reiser2: they've nearly all moved to xorg, i think |
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| 01:19.42 | mike1o | /join #lyx |
| 01:19.50 | Reiser2 | hummmm |
| 01:20.08 | Reiser2 | so, Xorg have what advantages? |
| 01:20.13 | jetscreamer | elefth: do xine-check |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | a non-crappy license |
| 01:20.21 | jaredj | modular drivers |
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| 01:20.35 | jaredj | so people can work on parts of X without rebuilding all of it |
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| 01:21.02 | jaredj | latest code |
| 01:21.10 | jaredj | (bugfixes, etc.) |
| 01:21.27 | Reiser2 | ok, i see. |
| 01:21.28 | jaredj | better integration with the filesystem standard (no /usr/X11R6, usually) |
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| 01:21.58 | nivanson | Reiser2, xfree86 changed license and many developers started working on xorg instead. they modularized the code so it is now easier to maintain. |
| 01:22.06 | elefth | jetscreamer, not found, which package provides this? |
| 01:22.23 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: you around? |
| 01:22.27 | Reiser2 | nivanson: what license use Xorg? |
| 01:22.34 | nivanson | ReinH, MIT |
| 01:22.37 | nivanson | woops |
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| 01:22.59 | nivanson | Reiser2, Xorg uses MIT and no licenses use Xorg afaik. |
| 01:23.17 | ReinH | nivanson: bastard ;) |
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| 01:23.25 | nivanson | ReinH, sry to wake you up xD |
| 01:23.30 | ReinH | nivanson: haha no worries |
| 01:23.39 | ReinH | thought it might be a client :/ |
| 01:23.41 | ReinH | glad it's not |
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| 01:23.57 | ReinH | have a good nail christ to a tree day |
| 01:24.42 | markybob | well that's the most ignorant thing i've heard in a long time |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | markybob: your joke the other day ? |
| 01:25.13 | markybob | abrotman: that was funny :) heh |
| 01:25.16 | Reiser2 | X License, i am reading |
| 01:25.43 | markybob | abrotman: touche, though |
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| 01:25.52 | Reiser2 | we developed a software and use MIT license |
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| 01:26.18 | abrotman | markybob: i have a weird memory :) |
| 01:26.59 | DawnLight | liable - how do i fix this? |
| 01:27.14 | liable | DawnLight: stop enabling eth1! |
| 01:27.23 | DawnLight | no way |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | stop changing the default route |
| 01:27.32 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 01:27.32 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 01:27.35 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 01:27.41 | jaredj | anyone ever seen errors like: libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/../../lib/libxml2.la' seems to be moved |
| 01:27.52 | liable | DawnLight: why are you enabling it if it isnt connected to the net? |
| 01:27.57 | Harzilein | i wonder if, on 8 bit displays, i can install a different colormap into another x client |
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| 01:28.42 | DawnLight | liable: i want access to the modem's cli to configure it while i am connected to the internet on eth0 to get help on the matter |
| 01:28.54 | jaredj | Harzilein: x clients do it all the time. "colormap flashing" |
| 01:29.09 | Harzilein | jaredj: for themselves |
| 01:29.21 | xtknight | is there a package containing default permissions for all packages? (a la opensuse) |
| 01:29.22 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Yeah, i'm some where far around |
| 01:29.25 | xtknight | for all files* |
| 01:29.28 | liable | DawnLight: man route, del that route as default gw, make sure your other router is default |
| 01:29.35 | Harzilein | jaredj: i mean for one program to change the colormap we change to when we switch to _that_ program |
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| 01:30.06 | jaredj | Harzilein: from outside? hmm, sounds hard |
| 01:30.20 | jaredj | xcmap? |
| 01:30.21 | itchi | GhostlyDeath: Please tell us here what you tell me in pm, other people want maybe help you too |
| 01:30.39 | jaredj | can't remember properly, it's been years since i ran 8-bit |
| 01:30.42 | DawnLight | liable: is there a gui for this? (please don't yell at me for asking) |
| 01:30.43 | Harzilein | jaredj: it'd be cool, you could have the same inverting effect you usually need aiglx for with an 8 bit display |
| 01:30.52 | jaredj | heh yeah :) |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | use the ipmasq package ? |
| 01:31.10 | jaredj | or make things all trippy and fadey if you do it continuously |
| 01:31.20 | Harzilein | jaredj: and as i can't run more than 8 bit on this laptop anyway... |
| 01:31.21 | liable | DawnLight: not really, but it should work if you enable eth1 first, then enable eth0 |
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| 01:31.37 | jaredj | yep |
| 01:31.39 | GhostlyDeath | itchi: I fixed the problem though |
| 01:31.42 | Harzilein | jaredj: (old compaq elite 4/75 cxl 486 laptop) |
| 01:31.48 | jaredj | oo, yes, old |
| 01:32.04 | DawnLight | abrotman, what do i need the ipmasq package for? i'll check that out |
| 01:32.05 | Harzilein | beer? |
| 01:32.10 | Harzilein | someone at bp there? |
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| 01:38.05 | coolzone | Hi all! I am looking for an alternative to iptables, any good recommendations? |
| 01:38.33 | techrush | shorewall ? |
| 01:38.36 | liable | there isnt really an alternative, but theres frontends for it |
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| 01:39.21 | grew | is ther any way to forcibly remove a package from the system? apt is reporting errors on the removal, its a python package |
| 01:39.28 | piper69 | how can i add groups, and add users to that group |
| 01:39.34 | piper69 | !group |
| 01:39.34 | dpkg | adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. |
| 01:39.45 | grew | so when the remove fails, it throws python errors and doesnt remove it |
| 01:40.15 | liable | grew: i think theres bug reports written, check bugs.debian.org |
| 01:40.30 | coolzone | liable, what frontends do you recommend? |
| 01:40.47 | liable | coolzone: you want gui? |
| 01:41.41 | coolzone | liable, normally I am used to configure firewall manually using packet filter from OpenBSD, but since I don't really want to learn a nother syntax, yes a good GUI I think :-) |
| 01:41.50 | grew | liable: not seeing anything |
| 01:41.56 | grew | not in regards to this issue anyway |
| 01:41.57 | piper69 | !uid |
| 01:41.57 | dpkg | i guess uid is "User ID". The unique number assigned to a user. See "id(1)" for more information, or "echo ${UID}". |
| 01:42.01 | grew | its a python error i can nopaste it |
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| 01:42.17 | liable | coolzone: firestarter and guarddog spring to mind |
| 01:42.38 | piper69 | when dpkg tells me to see id(10 how can i do that please? |
| 01:42.56 | liable | man 1 id |
| 01:43.02 | pingouin | someone use flwm ? |
| 01:43.09 | piper69 | oh ok i was doing man id 1 |
| 01:43.14 | DawnLight | liable: its wierd what happens to the routing table when i enable/disable |
| 01:43.22 | grew | ick now im getting this |
| 01:43.23 | grew | dpkg: error processing python-uno (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal |
| 01:43.24 | dpkg | that's too long, grew |
| 01:43.24 | coolzone | liable, ok thanks! |
| 01:43.30 | piper69 | liable: thanks |
| 01:43.34 | grew | what do i do about that |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | it's in the BTS |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | at least. . i think that's it .. if you disagree .. paste your entire output and show us |
| 01:44.33 | liable | DawnLight: not really, the dhcp server is just changing it so its the default gw, thats what they're supposed to do |
| 01:45.25 | brottman | can anyone tell me if there is any good tape backup software (packages) for use on a debian backup server? |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | there are quite a few options |
| 01:45.40 | DawnLight | right... so there's only one default gateway for the computer? isn't there one for every interface? |
| 01:46.34 | liable | DawnLight: you can have gateways, but the default is where programs send there packets to run wild and free on the internet |
| 01:46.40 | liable | and nekkid |
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| 01:47.32 | abrotman | nekkid packets! |
| 01:47.34 | jaredj | hey! stop looking at my packet |
| 01:47.51 | DawnLight | liable, so if i should do eth1 manually it should not effect my defualt gateway? |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | i'm in promiscuous mode! |
| 01:48.03 | liable | haha |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | eh .. firewall .. ick! |
| 01:48.24 | jaredj | be thou... antimiscuous! |
| 01:48.27 | jaredj | (?!) |
| 01:48.55 | liable | DawnLight: yep, but you will have to set a route manually if the modems ip is on a different subnet |
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| 01:49.39 | grew | so what do i do when packages are in a very bad inconsistent state |
| 01:49.46 | grew | and they wont reinstall |
| 01:49.49 | DawnLight | the modems ip is on a different subnet...? how do i know about that? |
| 01:49.58 | jaredj | latin miscere: to mix |
| 01:50.02 | liable | DawnLight: whats the ip's of the two? |
| 01:50.10 | DawnLight | which two? |
| 01:50.19 | liable | the two gateways |
| 01:50.19 | jaredj | miscuus: possessed equally |
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| 01:50.59 | DawnLight | currently: |
| 01:51.01 | DawnLight | 85.64.218.0 * 255.255.255.128 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:51.01 | DawnLight | default 85.64.218.1.dyn 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | grew: paste the whole output |
| 01:51.12 | brendonjt | hi ya all |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | grew: or try to reinstall it |
| 01:51.20 | liable | oh, it an external ip |
| 01:51.37 | liable | DawnLight: whats the ip of the second one? |
| 01:51.40 | CalebRipley | what should i do to stop the network-connection? |
| 01:52.08 | DawnLight | hold on |
| 01:52.28 | jaredj | !pinning |
| 01:52.29 | dpkg | from memory, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 01:53.21 | grew | abrotman: i get: Writing extended state information... Error! |
| 01:53.22 | grew | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the reportbug package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 01:53.31 | guru | where does the default cgi-bin directory and httpd.conf get stored in etch? |
| 01:53.42 | jetscreamer | i note that nobody wished to discuss my earlier point about #debian becoming hardcoded or monolithic |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | grew: that's the whole thing ? |
| 01:53.58 | markybob | guru: ever heard of locate or find ? |
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| 01:54.20 | DawnLight | after i enabled eth1 it changes to: |
| 01:54.22 | DawnLight | 85.64.218.0 * 255.255.255.128 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:54.24 | DawnLight | 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:54.26 | DawnLight | default SpeedTouch.loca 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:54.27 | guru | markybob: yes, of course i have. i wouldn't be asking here if i hadn't used them |
| 01:54.28 | DawnLight | default 85.64.218.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:54.44 | Xenguy | guru: I think those would work, yes |
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| 01:55.10 | liable | DawnLight: ifconfig eth1 up; route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth1 |
| 01:55.24 | grew | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/H3pKE943.html |
| 01:55.30 | jetscreamer | !tell DawnLight -about paste |
| 01:55.33 | guru | Xenguy: short of finding items in my home directory it returns nothing' |
| 01:55.34 | markybob | guru: if you had used them you would've found them. /etc/apache2/ or /etc/apache/ and /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 01:55.38 | grew | abrotman: im having problems with both that package and with reportbug |
| 01:55.42 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 01:55.45 | grew | i think python-uno is the main problem |
| 01:55.45 | abrotman | grew: that's your bug |
| 01:56.07 | waltman | anyone else having problems accessing apt-listbugs? |
| 01:56.09 | grew | abrotman: ok, so does that mean its not fixed |
| 01:56.13 | grew | i dont see a resolve there |
| 01:56.13 | jetscreamer | yes waltman |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | that's right .. not fixed |
| 01:56.23 | markybob | you can fix it yourself |
| 01:56.24 | guru | markybob: there is no file named "/etc/apache[2]/httpd.conf" or directory named "/usr/lib/cgi-bin" on my machine |
| 01:56.26 | markybob | it's an easy edit |
| 01:56.54 | piper69 | abrotman: i lost the script you wrote me yesturday , if you have it can you pm it to me please |
| 01:56.54 | grew | abrotman: is there any way i can forcibly remove the offending package so that i can install other things without it failing? |
| 01:56.58 | liable | DawnLight: erm, the first command should have been 'ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.1 up' |
| 01:57.10 | liable | erm |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | piper69: not likely .. but it was easy .. but i thought you already used it |
| 01:57.24 | liable | DawnLight: erm, the first command should have been 'ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.2 up' |
| 01:57.41 | piper69 | abrotman: i did i just wanted to study it |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | oh .. uhm .. |
| 01:57.58 | waltman | jetscreamer: I don't see any bugs posted about it, and no one's mentioned it on debian-user |
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| 01:58.13 | piper69 | it was for i in $(001 - 400); do ? |
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| 01:58.20 | abrotman | roughly .. for i in $(seq -w 001 400) ; do \n echo $i \n done |
| 01:58.29 | jetscreamer | waltman: you're the 3rd person to mention it. either disable it in /etc/apt/something, or just uninstall it |
| 01:59.08 | jetscreamer | i forget what someone said 'something' was, exactly |
| 01:59.14 | \amethyst | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs |
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| 01:59.35 | jetscreamer | damn i thought it was you... i even did a /lastlog on your nick, didn't see it |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | piper69: or on one line "for i in $(seq -w 001 400) ; do echo $i ; done" |
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| 02:00.41 | DawnLight | liable, shouldn't netmask be 255.0.0.0? |
| 02:00.42 | muhoo | where would i find the docs on how to "peg" a package? |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | piper69: the "echo $i" was something else obviously |
| 02:00.50 | waltman | aha. the server's down until tomorrow evening. |
| 02:00.55 | abrotman | !tell muhoo about pinning |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | !tell muhoo about hold |
| 02:01.08 | muhoo | that's it, thanks! "pin" not "peg" |
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| 02:02.16 | liable | DawnLight: why do you say that? |
| 02:02.16 | waltman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00136.html |
| 02:03.45 | liable | DawnLight: oh, from the netmask set from the modem, yeah, try that |
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| 02:07.02 | Reiser2 | abrotman: i just installed xfce, how can i run it ? |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | how are you running X now ? |
| 02:07.23 | Reiser2 | when the session start? |
| 02:07.31 | Reiser2 | ?? |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | try ~/.xsession |
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| 02:09.20 | brendonjt | It is good to see that Debian Etch is due to be released this evening New Zealand Time yay |
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| 02:12.30 | Reiser2 | abrotman: i am runing xfce |
| 02:12.32 | Reiser2 | is fast |
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| 02:12.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:13.15 | liable | of course, if you are 'running' it will be fast... |
| 02:13.15 | Reiser2 | i think KDE is slow |
| 02:13.33 | Reiser2 | heheheheh |
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| 02:17.07 | abrotman | you think kde is slow ? |
| 02:17.14 | Reiser2 | yeah |
| 02:17.29 | Gnea | that's cuz it is |
| 02:17.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:17.35 | Reiser2 | i run Gnome and KDE in the same computer |
| 02:17.40 | abrotman | at the same time? |
| 02:17.41 | Reiser2 | and i think that |
| 02:17.44 | Reiser2 | no |
| 02:17.56 | Reiser2 | choosing in the session screen |
| 02:18.18 | Reiser2 | i think is because so many animations and effects |
| 02:18.42 | Reiser2 | Gnome can get heavy too if i add that animations |
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| 02:19.14 | abrotman | animations ? |
| 02:19.29 | Reiser2 | yeah |
| 02:19.41 | Reiser2 | shades, borders, and so |
| 02:19.52 | Reiser2 | like XP box |
| 02:20.06 | brendonjt | hey just a question, what is the minuim specs to run Etch |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | 486 ... 24MB maybe ? |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | !release notes |
| 02:21.25 | dpkg | i heard release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | eh .. wrong ones |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | brendonjt: why? |
| 02:23.12 | brendonjt | abrotman, got a friend who wants it put on and they have a fairly old computer so when they bring it around i know if they can run it or not |
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| 02:23.19 | liable | i think 2.6 needs a bit more |
| 02:23.28 | liable | mem |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | liable: i have it on a box with 36MB :) |
| 02:24.00 | liable | abrotman: poor you ;) |
| 02:24.05 | Reiser2 | what cpu_ |
| 02:24.09 | Reiser2 | ? |
| 02:24.11 | liable | abrotman: with X? |
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| 02:24.26 | Reiser2 | with X you will get slow performance |
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| 02:24.30 | kevogod | P = NP |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | liable: just for kicks .. yes :) |
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| 02:24.40 | Reiser2 | i have it in Pentium II with 64MB |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | brendonjt: how old is hte machine ? |
| 02:25.15 | Reiser2 | but i have 3.1R1 |
| 02:25.46 | DawnLight | now step two: configuring the modem via cli - sounds like fun? |
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| 02:26.30 | brendonjt | abrotman, win95 based machine |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | so a P1 ? |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | memory is more the key IMO |
| 02:26.48 | numan | abrotman: u still there? |
| 02:26.51 | brendonjt | could be haven't got it yet |
| 02:26.54 | s | WHen I go to change the resolution in GNOME, it only allows me 60Hz as a refresh rate |
| 02:26.59 | s | What if I'd like to have more? |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | with 32MB it gets rough .. with 64MB it's a lot better .. 128MB and you're home free |
| 02:27.35 | Reiser2 | correct |
| 02:27.55 | numan | abrotman: you are not a bot? |
| 02:28.09 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | numan: what's up ? |
| 02:28.19 | Reiser2 | i prefer run xfree86 without Gnome and KDE |
| 02:28.44 | Reiser2 | abrotman: you don exist, hehehehe |
| 02:28.53 | numan | abrotman: i see you last night and u still here after 10 hrs |
| 02:29.05 | Reiser2 | yes, abrotman never sleep |
| 02:29.06 | brendonjt | abrotman, thank you for that |
| 02:29.14 | abrotman | numan: uhm .. i'm on a different timezone than you |
| 02:29.14 | liable | stupid laggy ssh connection |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | numan: you're in china .. right ? |
| 02:29.30 | numan | yes hong kong |
| 02:29.35 | liable | abrotman: that must be.. painfull. :) |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | right .. most humans stay awake longer than 8 hours |
| 02:29.49 | Reiser2 | i am in venezuela |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | we've got people like liable .. they've got problems ... |
| 02:30.51 | liable | more than you could imagine.. |
| 02:30.51 | Reiser2 | why? |
| 02:30.51 | numan | but somebody have to work or any other activity |
| 02:30.53 | liable | heh, i have two terms open for a screen session, one lags, one doesnt.. |
| 02:31.01 | numan | abrotman: i think you are in UK |
| 02:31.03 | liable | crazy stuff |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | numan: i think you're wrong |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | i think i'd rather be in the UK :) |
| 02:31.31 | Reiser2 | abrotman is at Vietnam |
| 02:31.54 | Reiser2 | but, just right now is flyng to USA |
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| 02:32.49 | liable | tis sunday after all |
| 02:32.52 | nihraguk | what do the various letters at the left most column of the screen mean when i type aptitude search sendmail? man aptitude doesn't seem to explain. |
| 02:33.07 | nihraguk | in particular, what does 'pi' mean? |
| 02:33.21 | liable | 2.432 |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:33.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 02:33.24 | nihraguk | i thought 'i' mean installed, but i just uninstalled sendmail. |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 02:33.27 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 02:33.40 | abrotman | nihraguk: the same letters .. at the top of that will mean the same in aptitude |
| 02:33.56 | liable | purged |
| 02:34.04 | nihraguk | abrotman: the same letters... at the top of what? |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | liable: is INXS a god in .au ? |
| 02:34.20 | abrotman | nihraguk: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:34.43 | numan | abrotman: last night you directed me to instruction for install java and non free. which cant answer my question well |
| 02:34.43 | liable | abrotman: used to be, till the lead singer died while masturbating with a belt tied round his neck... |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | numan: yes it can |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | liable: don't all aussies do that ? |
| 02:35.28 | liable | no comment |
| 02:35.42 | jetscreamer | numan: you just do this thing |
| 02:35.55 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 02:35.55 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | he's trying to install java |
| 02:36.09 | numan | when i type apt-get search cache i dont get any java package to install |
| 02:36.12 | liable | abrotman: you mean, your teachers actually know that countries outside of the US exist? |
| 02:36.32 | jetscreamer | numan: java is in sid, maybe etch, not sarge |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | liable: they call them "future states" or "US territories" |
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| 02:36.42 | abrotman | it is in etch .. he's on etch |
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| 02:36.48 | liable | heh |
| 02:37.04 | CppIsWeird | is there any reason that would cause a 3 drive software raid 5 to halt building? |
| 02:37.08 | Reiser2 | abrotman: what you said? |
| 02:37.14 | jetscreamer | numan: it's apt-cache search java , not apt-get search cache |
| 02:37.16 | nihraguk | abrotman: ah ok. |
| 02:37.18 | mfrisch | abrotman: you see that picture on that link from earlier? |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: that's you ? |
| 02:37.36 | mfrisch | abrotman: fuck you! |
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| 02:38.00 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: hi |
| 02:38.11 | numan | jetscreamer: i tried this one which gave me huge list og installed packages |
| 02:38.18 | Reiser2 | have you any answer about gnugk? |
| 02:38.21 | mfrisch | abrotman: I though you would appreciate that ;-) |
| 02:38.31 | mfrisch | Reiser2: hi! |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | mfrisch: the odd part is that he was with his family |
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| 02:39.01 | numan | abrotman: is it possible torun gnome and kde together |
| 02:39.09 | Reiser2 | yeah |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:39.16 | nedved | wish there was a torrent client that would let me choose from a torrent file list to choose which ones i want to download |
| 02:39.19 | jetscreamer | !install java |
| 02:39.19 | dpkg | from memory, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 02:39.27 | jetscreamer | numan: does that help? |
| 02:40.01 | mfrisch | abrotman: only in ohio. they arrested a priest awhile back with crack and two male prositutes in ky. |
| 02:40.02 | Reiser2 | you can run gnome and later run kdm in a console |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | jetscreamer: talk slower and louder |
| 02:40.02 | techrush | i hear ohio puts on a good linux fest |
| 02:40.05 | numan | no abrotman refered me to that also but cant help |
| 02:40.14 | mfrisch | techrush: is there one? |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | numan: it does help .. but you're not following the instructions |
| 02:40.34 | techrush | yea ohio linux fest or some such....pretty much a community driven effort if i recall |
| 02:40.41 | jetscreamer | abrotman: that doesn't work. my pidgin can be good though, depending. |
| 02:40.43 | mfrisch | Reiser2: did you change your auth in gnugk? |
| 02:40.44 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: do you have any answer about gnugk, yesterday we talked about it |
| 02:40.58 | Reiser2 | what changes i have to do? |
| 02:41.15 | numan | abrotman: i also tried java website's instructions on installing java for linux but get errors |
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| 02:41.37 | mfrisch | Reiser2: don't know couldn't find a line for it in the configs but it was using no auth so no pass will work until you fix it. |
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| 02:41.59 | mfrisch | techrush: cool. |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | numan: so stop doing that and follow what the bot tells you |
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| 02:42.30 | nihraguk | hrm aptitude is acting a little funny... it thinks sendmail is installed when actually its been replaced by postfix. |
| 02:42.30 | jetscreamer | numan: i don't know anything about java, but installing java runtime on etch is as easy as apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 02:42.38 | abrotman | java5 |
| 02:42.41 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: what changes i have to make? |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | numan: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. do you have non-free on your lines ? |
| 02:42.57 | TolstoyInlove | when i have install net-snmp and make a query ,its cpu load grow up tp 99%!!?? |
| 02:43.46 | mfrisch | Reiser2: I am about to do a asterisk config for you but it would take a couple of days, I never used gnugk. But it can't auth a user untill it know how to do it. |
| 02:43.48 | Reiser2 | numan: you can download java from java.sun.com and install it |
| 02:43.52 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 02:43.58 | jetscreamer | Reiser2: it's in sources |
| 02:44.26 | Reiser2 | sources? |
| 02:44.29 | jetscreamer | numan: gtg. it's easy. just do it. |
| 02:44.34 | numan | abrotman: when i type this "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" it gave that results go to #flood |
| 02:44.43 | jetscreamer | apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 02:44.47 | jetscreamer | sources |
| 02:44.56 | jetscreamer | apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
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| 02:45.08 | jetscreamer | soon to come i bet, apt-get install netbeans |
| 02:45.27 | Fudge^2 | What's an easy way to get a colorful init when starting? |
| 02:45.41 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: well, i will wait the answer of mailing list |
| 02:46.19 | mfrisch | Reiser2: you'll never get it done that way. How many users do you want? |
| 02:46.58 | Reiser2 | i can with 4 users by now |
| 02:48.24 | mfrisch | Reiser2: well I will get something together with just asterisk, you will just put in the configs and it will work. I am going to be busy till tuesday, wait till then and I will teach you about voip ;-) |
| 02:49.14 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: thanks, but remember, i need videoconferencing |
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| 02:49.55 | matthewpoer | I know that IceApe is like version 1.0.8 of SeaMonkey, but I also know it is patched and versioned a bit differantly. So, is it patched up to being equal to 1.1.1? or a differant version? |
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| 02:50.02 | abrotman | !tell numan about non-free |
| 02:50.17 | mfrisch | Reiser2: voip includes videoconferencing confrence rooms voicemail and a lot more. |
| 02:50.39 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 02:50.43 | dalias | abrotman, ? |
| 02:50.52 | Reiser2 | well, what you can do then? |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | dalias: ? |
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| 02:51.01 | Reiser2 | exactly? |
| 02:51.07 | piper69 | Reiser2: what you need is a PBX |
| 02:51.29 | mfrisch | Reiser2: tuesday. I will put a base config together. |
| 02:51.52 | piper69 | Reiser2: Private Branch eXchange |
| 02:52.24 | mfrisch | piper69: I can't wait till freepbx is deb for etch. |
| 02:52.57 | piper69 | mfrisch: there is |
| 02:53.07 | mfrisch | piper69: for etch?!? |
| 02:53.23 | piper69 | mfrisch: apt-get asterisk |
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| 02:53.51 | piper69 | *install |
| 02:54.00 | mfrisch | piper69: no freepbx is a webui for asterisk php+mysql thing |
| 02:54.00 | piper69 | forgive my ignorance |
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| 02:54.56 | abrotman | rifffffffff: pick a nick and stick with it |
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| 02:55.20 | piper69 | mfrisch: are you talking about the zaptel |
| 02:55.31 | piper69 | i am not following sorry |
| 02:56.01 | mfrisch | piper69: no more like this http://www.freepbx.org/trac/wiki/DebPackages |
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| 02:56.46 | muhoo | gah |
| 02:56.47 | muhoo | Setting up debconf (1.5.11) ... |
| 02:56.48 | muhoo | Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/sampler/editorapp.py ... |
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| 02:56.48 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:56.50 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: can i private please |
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| 02:57.18 | mfrisch | Reiser2: ok do it (I don't use irc features like that) |
| 02:57.33 | numan | jetscreamer: E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | numan: ignore him .. pay attention to me |
| 02:58.06 | mfrisch | /private Reiser2 |
| 02:58.12 | numan | jetscreamer: W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 02:58.12 | numan | E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jdk |
| 02:58.20 | liable | in non-free |
| 02:58.30 | liable | is it still in non-free? |
| 02:58.40 | muhoo | damn.. debconf causes apt-get to puke: http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/5314 |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | numan: STOP |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | numan: go back to #flood |
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| 02:59.26 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: wazzup? |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | numan: please run ;apt-get update' |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | numan: please run 'apt-get update' |
| 02:59.40 | kingsley | What's a good way to backup a MS Windows partition to DVD? k3b? |
| 02:59.51 | mfrisch | Reiser2: it didn't work. I am not registered correctly. are you try? |
| 02:59.56 | HostilePenguin | 13hrs later |
| 02:59.57 | muhoo | son of a bitch |
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| 03:00.04 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | numan: please run 'apt-get update' |
| 03:00.14 | muhoo | machine locked up in the middle of an apt-get upgrade, and now it can't recover |
| 03:00.25 | muhoo | debconf is hosed |
| 03:00.36 | Reiser2 | numan: apt-get update , please |
| 03:00.47 | piper69 | numan: dbupdate |
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| 03:01.03 | piper69 | nm |
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| 03:01.24 | liable | who is breaking apt! |
| 03:01.46 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 03:01.49 | Reiser2 | my id is ajs_box |
| 03:01.51 | piper69 | lol |
| 03:01.55 | mfrisch | piper69: I am having problems ;-) |
| 03:01.57 | Reiser2 | send mail to yahoo.com |
| 03:01.58 | muhoo | debconf has a bug in it that prevents it from running. as a result, nothing else runs. |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | numan: ? |
| 03:02.03 | numan | abrotman: doing update |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | numan: let meknow when it's done |
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| 03:02.22 | liable | muhoo: even if you change its viewer? |
| 03:02.25 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: get it? |
| 03:02.31 | piper69 | mfrisch: me too, let us find someone that will help us |
| 03:02.34 | piper69 | lol |
| 03:02.38 | muhoo | liable: viewer? |
| 03:02.51 | liable | muhoo: ya know, dialog, gnome or whatever |
| 03:02.53 | muhoo | liable: the error is here: http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/5314 |
| 03:02.59 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.02 | mfrisch | piper69: I use voipjet. I am not registered correctly. |
| 03:03.04 | numan | abrotman: its done |
| 03:03.09 | muhoo | hmm, i'll try that |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | numan: apt-cache search java .. do you see more stuff ? |
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| 03:04.00 | piper69 | mfrisch: i don't understand |
| 03:04.02 | numan | abrotman: yes many many for java |
| 03:04.16 | muhoo | dpkg-reconfigure debconf doesn't work, and i don't see anything in /etc/debconf.conf that'll let me change "viewer" |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | numan: now install sun-java5-jdk |
| 03:04.32 | rcbarnes | I just switched from gentoo, and I'm not sure where I set my default system-wide editor. I assume somewhere in /etc, but I'm not sure where (fgrep for editor and nano (the current default) have yielded nothing). |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | muhoo: you can change it manually |
| 03:04.42 | muhoo | abrotman: where? |
| 03:04.50 | abrotman | oh you would ask that ... |
| 03:04.53 | Reiser2 | sorry, but i use java, and i ever go to java.sun.com and get Linux binaries |
| 03:04.54 | muhoo | :-) |
| 03:04.57 | Reiser2 | then i install |
| 03:05.11 | numan | abrotman: should be :apt-get install sun-java5-jdk? |
| 03:05.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:05.30 | muhoo | so i'm guessing that this python bug is in the "dialog" code somewhere then? |
| 03:05.32 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: do you read ? |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | muhoo: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat .. or just wait for your python bug to be fixed |
| 03:05.56 | TolstoyInlove | when i have install net-snmp and make a query ,its cpu load grow up tp 99%!!?? how can i solve this problem? |
| 03:06.02 | jetscreamer | so did you fix it numan? |
| 03:06.10 | jetscreamer | ah guess so |
| 03:06.17 | jetscreamer | !wtg abrotman |
| 03:06.17 | dpkg | Way to go, abrotman! Gnarly! |
| 03:06.19 | muhoo | abrotman: well, i can't wait, my machine is unusable. so, i'll screw around with that config.dat, thanks |
| 03:06.22 | numan | jetscreamer: yes |
| 03:06.22 | rcbarnes | anyone? System-wide editor setting? |
| 03:06.28 | mfrisch | Reiser2: I could not send messages am not registered right. |
| 03:06.28 | jetscreamer | see you too can speak noobese |
| 03:06.29 | nihraguk | how do i tell debian to start using python-2.4 instead of 2.3? update-alternatives --config python doesn't seem to work |
| 03:06.29 | rcbarnes | It's an easy question... |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | rcbarnes: update-alternatives |
| 03:06.38 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | nihraguk: you really don't want to |
| 03:06.44 | rcbarnes | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:06.51 | nihraguk | abrotman: um why? |
| 03:06.54 | Reiser2 | send me the info to ajs_box in yahoo.com |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | rcbarnes: though i iddn't see your original question |
| 03:07.02 | Reiser2 | mfrisch: get it? |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | nihraguk: the system utilities depend on it being 2.3 |
| 03:07.10 | Draken | i have a question |
| 03:07.11 | mfrisch | Reiser2: yes |
| 03:07.17 | nihraguk | uh oh |
| 03:07.21 | numan | jetscreamer: do you know how to get installed flash player? |
| 03:07.21 | Reiser2 | and thank you very much |
| 03:07.24 | jair | Hello guys, has anyone here check the new internet google is offering? tisp? |
| 03:07.26 | nihraguk | thanks anyway. |
| 03:07.31 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-cache search flash |
| 03:07.37 | muhoo | abrotman: no dice. i changed it to readline, and still i get this python error : editorapp.py |
| 03:07.40 | jair | it looks like a joke to me, but I just saw the page |
| 03:07.45 | jetscreamer | !flash |
| 03:07.45 | dpkg | hmm... flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:07.47 | Draken | can somebody answer me? |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | rcbarnes: for example .. update-alternatives --list editor |
| 03:07.58 | jetscreamer | Draken: how tf could we |
| 03:08.08 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 03:08.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:08.10 | abrotman | muhoo: it's a python problem .. not a debconf problem |
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| 03:08.15 | jair | Draken: question? |
| 03:08.39 | muhoo | abrotman: well, that sucks. a python problem that causes apt-get to become unusable.... this is bad. i'm on etch too, not sid |
| 03:08.52 | rcbarnes | abrotman: hm. This is somewhat harder than I though. I thought it'd be setting something like EDITOR=vim in a file somewhere |
| 03:09.04 | rcbarnes | I don't even see regular vim as an option |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | rcbarnes: it's actually pretty easy once you learn the system |
| 03:09.10 | jair | abrotman: hello have you check the google internet option using tisp? |
| 03:09.14 | abrotman | rcbarnes: vim isn't installed by default |
| 03:09.15 | numan | jetscreamer: go to flood to see the details |
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| 03:09.24 | abrotman | rcbarnes: apt-get install vim .. then change that setting |
| 03:09.33 | muhoo | abrotman: i checked /topic to look out for warnings like "ETCH'S PYTHON PACKAGE IS BROKEN AND IT WILL MAKE YOU SYSTEM UNUSABLE", but didn't see any :-/ |
| 03:09.37 | jetscreamer | rcbarnes: i'm lazy and just do update-alternatives --all and do them all.. doesn't take long |
| 03:09.41 | rcbarnes | abrotman: already installed vim (it was the first thing :-P) |
| 03:09.45 | jair | jetscreamer: hi my friend. have you seen the internet google is offering? tisp? |
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| 03:10.03 | jetscreamer | numan: anything already posted in #flood would not be there if i /joined |
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| 03:10.09 | abrotman | rcbarnes: and it's not in the list ? |
| 03:10.15 | TolstoyInlove | how can i restrict the oid that answer the query? |
| 03:10.27 | abrotman | rcbarnes: it is for me |
| 03:10.27 | numan | ook u go there i post it again |
| 03:10.29 | jetscreamer | jair: yes i signed up immediately for it, i'm a happy subscriber |
| 03:10.34 | jetscreamer | aren't you? |
| 03:10.36 | jair | Draken: what is your question my friend? |
| 03:10.36 | rcbarnes | abrotman: yeah, only .tiny and .basic are there |
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| 03:10.46 | abrotman | rcbarnes: .basis is the normal one IIRC |
| 03:10.47 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:10.47 | jair | jetscreamer: not :( |
| 03:10.55 | rcbarnes | abrotman: ah |
| 03:10.57 | jair | jetscreamer: it is the first time I see it |
| 03:11.00 | numan | :( |
| 03:11.01 | muhoo | AHA! |
| 03:11.04 | numan | :) |
| 03:11.05 | muhoo | i found the problem |
| 03:11.09 | numan | :[ |
| 03:11.10 | Azar | debian has a new leader!! |
| 03:11.11 | jair | jetscreamer: it does really work that way? |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | rcbarnes: admittedly .. i don't use much of the advanced features of vim .. i'm mostly okay with nvi :) |
| 03:11.17 | Azar | I wanna see the pic |
| 03:11.17 | jetscreamer | numan: sorry dude i can't /join #flood |
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| 03:11.21 | mfrisch | Reiser2: you get a email? |
| 03:11.32 | Reiser2 | wait |
| 03:11.36 | muhoo | the file /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pk/sampler/editorapp.py, is truncated, because my system locked up while python was being installed |
| 03:11.37 | Azar | abrotman, do we have a pic? |
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| 03:11.41 | jair | jetscreamer: how you suppouse to use your sink if the internet is coming from it? |
| 03:11.42 | jetscreamer | jair: fiber optics in a toilet |
| 03:11.53 | numan | jetscreamer: why cat? |
| 03:11.54 | jetscreamer | you have 2 sinks of course! |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | Azar: ? |
| 03:12.04 | rcbarnes | abrotman: Yeah... I have been trying to do lots of pretty crazy stuff (to learn). I'll notice eventually if it's not (and I'll just find out how to fix it). |
| 03:12.07 | jetscreamer | limit of 20 channels on freenode with one client |
| 03:12.08 | Azar | abrotman: the picture of the new leader |
| 03:12.11 | abrotman | Azar: check planet.debian.org to see his picture |
| 03:12.17 | jetscreamer | i'd have to /part one |
| 03:12.18 | Azar | thanks! |
| 03:12.29 | rcbarnes | abrotman, jetscreamer: thanks. I've got it now, I think. |
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| 03:12.41 | jair | jetscreamer: I only have one though :( and I also live in a 14th floor |
| 03:12.52 | liable | mfrisch: why dont you just open a channel and talk in that? |
| 03:12.57 | jetscreamer | jair: better stick to cable or dsl then |
| 03:13.04 | jair | jetscreamer: so this service is useful for someone that lives in a house instead of a condo |
| 03:13.05 | numan | jetscreamer: it asked me for location of local file for flashplugin non free? |
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| 03:13.18 | jetscreamer | jair: you do know that was google's april fool's joke, right? |
| 03:13.21 | mfrisch | liable: it says I am not registered correctly and won't let me post |
| 03:13.34 | liable | mfrisch: in a channel you open? |
| 03:13.41 | jetscreamer | numan: just hit enter, that is if you already have it downloaded to your hd, iirc |
| 03:13.49 | mfrisch | liable: didn't try |
| 03:13.59 | liable | mfrisch: /j #liable |
| 03:14.15 | numan | jetscreamer: i didnot downloaded it |
| 03:14.23 | jetscreamer | numan: then just leave it blank |
| 03:14.23 | mfrisch | Reiser2: goto #mfrisch |
| 03:14.36 | abrotman | oh just get a room already! :) |
| 03:14.46 | liable | !room |
| 03:14.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 03:14.57 | jetscreamer | liable: you didn't see the mummy |
| 03:15.03 | jetscreamer | or the daddy |
| 03:15.16 | numan | jetscreamer: i leaved it blank and again it comes up debconf |
| 03:15.25 | jetscreamer | debconf what |
| 03:15.40 | jetscreamer | oh you mean it came up again |
| 03:15.46 | numan | cofiguring flashplugin non free |
| 03:15.55 | numan | yes |
| 03:15.57 | muhoo | ok, so it looks like the hoary hack around this problem was to cd /var/cache/apt/archives and then dpkg -i python* :-) |
| 03:16.17 | muhoo | random hardware lockups suck |
| 03:16.27 | numan | so i have to download it ? |
| 03:16.31 | muhoo | my sky2 ethernet chip occasionally causes my whole machine to ... |
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| 03:16.53 | jetscreamer | the way i remember it, numan, it ask if you already downloaded it, and if so, where is it, then downloads it if you don't have it |
| 03:17.08 | jetscreamer | lemme try, i don't have flash atm |
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| 03:18.20 | numan | jetscreamer: plz go to flood to see the results i cant post here |
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| 03:18.33 | jair | jetscreamer: I knew it that was a joke hahhahaa |
| 03:18.41 | jair | jetscreamer: that is great hahahhaa |
| 03:19.05 | jetscreamer | numan: it didn't even ask me, it just d/l'd it and installed it |
| 03:19.06 | jair | jetscreamer: looks so real my friend. I was thinking about to call to get information though |
| 03:19.16 | jetscreamer | jair: heh :) |
| 03:19.44 | numan | ok i also got installed |
| 03:19.47 | Azar | hmmm no pic |
| 03:19.50 | jetscreamer | !tell numan -about paste |
| 03:19.59 | Azar | but he uses same isp as I do! |
| 03:20.02 | jetscreamer | use a paster, numan |
| 03:20.23 | numan | i used it before but nobody get my paste |
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| 03:21.04 | numan | how to configure iceweasel to use flashplugin? |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | numan: you ahve to give us the URL when you paste .. it doesn't magically show up in here |
| 03:21.25 | techrush | is it going to be an issue if realplayer is pulling in gcc-3.3-base as a dep ? |
| 03:21.42 | bunix | im having problems getting sound to work on vmware server 1.02. as soon as i start the vm, i get the error can't open /dev/dsp- busy. any ideas? |
| 03:21.49 | liable | techrush: why would it be a problem? |
| 03:21.57 | zenbum | numan: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:22.05 | techrush | liable, im not sure thats why i was asking |
| 03:22.11 | numan | abrotman: ok |
| 03:22.19 | numan | zenbum: yes |
| 03:22.28 | liable | techrush: i think you can breathe easy :) |
| 03:22.33 | techrush | ok thanks |
| 03:22.53 | techrush | i just know gcc is not something to be taken lightly so i try not to mess with it |
| 03:23.35 | numan | whenever i goto this website "http://video.msn.com/v/us/req.aspx?r=8&hf=1&h=http%3A//video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm%3Fg%3DF61A53F2-0EFD-4173-9438-696F61CD026B%26t%3Ds3%26f%3D06/64%26p%3Dhotvideo_m_edpicks%26fg%3D%26GT1%3D9246&idp=" it asked me for additional software |
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| 03:23.45 | jetscreamer | numan: you want mozilla-mplayer |
| 03:23.58 | liable | numan: what do you expect from msn.com? ;) |
| 03:24.27 | numan | jetscreamer: yes because totem player cant play wmv and many other files |
| 03:24.36 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 03:24.55 | jetscreamer | numan: those will provide plugin for iceweasel |
| 03:24.57 | liable | numan: you need w32codecs |
| 03:25.01 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 03:25.07 | jetscreamer | for wmv |
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| 03:25.46 | numan | liable: how to get w32codecs |
| 03:25.59 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer mozilla-plugin-vlc w32codecs |
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| 03:26.09 | jetscreamer | !tell numan -about marillat |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | oh ffs .. this will take days |
| 03:26.37 | liable | debian-mutimedia.org |
| 03:26.41 | jetscreamer | you need that in sources |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | someone just give him the full line ... |
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| 03:27.06 | jetscreamer | #deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 03:27.29 | jetscreamer | uncomment it |
| 03:27.36 | jetscreamer | deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main |
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| 03:29.03 | jetscreamer | abrotman: note, i didn't have to go get smokes, just wait long enough :o |
| 03:29.09 | numan | jetscreamer: should i add this url " http://debian-multimedia.org" to sources list? |
| 03:29.13 | TolstoyInlove | how can i restrict the oid that answer the query? |
| 03:29.17 | jetscreamer | deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and then one of your kids came home with some ? |
| 03:29.18 | jetscreamer | that |
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| 03:29.36 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no, thank god, they DETEST cigarette smoke. |
| 03:29.47 | abrotman | good for them |
| 03:29.53 | abrotman | they're probably drunks |
| 03:29.54 | jetscreamer | i made my employer bring me some :) |
| 03:29.56 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:30.17 | numan | jetscreamer: at the end of last line after debian security url |
| 03:30.29 | jetscreamer | numan: you put it on it's own line |
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| 03:30.33 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter where |
| 03:30.40 | jetscreamer | top, bottom |
| 03:30.41 | jbellis | what's the magic incantation to unpack a source archive according to what's in .dsc? |
| 03:30.43 | coolzone | Hi all. I have been messing around a bit with network and firewall. I decided to change card from one brand to another, now the cards has become eth3 and eth4 eventhough I only have 2 cards in the box. How do I make them appear as eth0 and eth1? |
| 03:31.19 | jetscreamer | less /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:31.33 | jetscreamer | not sure :/ |
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| 03:32.05 | jetscreamer | numan: after you edit it correctly, apt-get update, then |
| 03:32.16 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer mozilla-plugin-vlc w32codecs |
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| 03:32.50 | numan | ok jetscreamer |
| 03:32.59 | coolzone | if I just change them in /etc/network/interfaces, then I cant get them up and running. |
| 03:33.20 | relia | Here's hoping the netinst disc works. X( |
| 03:33.29 | coolzone | Then I get "no such device" |
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| 03:33.55 | numan | jetscreamer: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org etch |
| 03:33.56 | jetscreamer | do you have allow-hotplug or auto |
| 03:34.04 | liable | coolzone: delete your net rules in /etc/udev |
| 03:34.13 | numan | jetscreamer: Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 03:34.19 | jetscreamer | numan: ignore it... damn there is a package on there with the key... |
| 03:34.24 | liable | numan: read the home page |
| 03:34.51 | jetscreamer | [22.10.15] <jair> jetscreamer: hi my friend. have you seen the internet google is offering? tisp? |
| 03:34.58 | jetscreamer | Ome |
| 03:34.59 | liable | coolzone: persistent.net.rules |
| 03:35.00 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 03:35.11 | jetscreamer | debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 03:35.13 | hark | you can install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 03:35.26 | hark | :o |
| 03:35.27 | jetscreamer | i don't know why that got pasted |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | not with tha tkey |
| 03:35.38 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 03:35.38 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:36.08 | jetscreamer | numan: just ignore that for now, tell it yes install the stuff |
| 03:36.18 | coolzone | liable: I dont have that, I have persistent.rules and persistent-input.rules |
| 03:36.29 | coolzone | liable, but no persistent.net.rules |
| 03:36.36 | coolzone | sorry |
| 03:36.50 | liable | coolzone: in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 03:36.57 | liable | ?? |
| 03:37.02 | jetscreamer | coolzone: do you have allow-hotplug or auto in /etc/network/interfaces , just out of curiosity |
| 03:37.13 | coolzone | liable: ah persistent-net.rules :-) Thanks |
| 03:37.20 | liable | coolzone: not sure if you need to reboot or maybe just restart udev |
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| 03:37.34 | coolzone | jetscreamer, why? That has nothing to do with it :-) |
| 03:37.55 | liable | laters |
| 03:38.01 | jetscreamer | because i always have a problem with it, but unrelated |
| 03:38.08 | jetscreamer | and i'm just curious |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | where is liable going ? |
| 03:38.14 | coolzone | liable, thanks! |
| 03:38.28 | coolzone | liable, gonna take a look at man udev :-) |
| 03:38.54 | abrotman | !tell deg0nz|weq about away |
| 03:39.23 | coolzone | jetscreamer, do you understand the difference between auto and allow-hotplug? |
| 03:39.51 | GhostlyDeath | Can someone PM (/query GhostlyDeath) me on how I could set GNOME up to be an alarm clock? |
| 03:40.17 | jetscreamer | no not at all, except allow-hotplug being in there *always* borks out on a new install after a reboot or two, and i'm amassing data. |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | i think xmms has an alarm clock feature |
| 03:40.33 | jetscreamer | or just finding out everything i can |
| 03:40.42 | jetscreamer | it's a plugin but in the wrong section |
| 03:40.44 | coolzone | jetscreamer, read the man interface file, it gives a full explanation :-) |
| 03:40.47 | jetscreamer | xmms-alarm iirc |
| 03:41.14 | jetscreamer | so was that an 'auto' or 'other' |
| 03:41.19 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 03:41.35 | jetscreamer | i don't care enough to read. auto works. |
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| 03:42.38 | muhoo | so the update is: that editorapp.py package had *nothing* to do with debconf or apt |
| 03:42.52 | muhoo | it was a music program. the file was hosed, indeed the package was probably hosed |
| 03:42.55 | muhoo | but! |
| 03:43.15 | muhoo | because it was hosed, and that file refused to compile, it rendered the whole apt/dpkg system unusable |
| 03:43.46 | muhoo | apparently apt/dpkg depends on debconf which depends on python which depends on everything in site-packages compiling properly, or it loses control of its bladder. |
| 03:43.48 | numan | i got it working everything sound video wmv file etc. |
| 03:44.11 | numan | rthanks to abrotman liable jetscreamer and also valdyn |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | can i get an rbeer ? |
| 03:44.37 | numan | yes why not? |
| 03:45.49 | \amethyst | muhoo: what package was that file from? |
| 03:45.55 | Azar | hmm so it will not be this weekend... which is gone by the way... |
| 03:46.32 | abrotman | it's only saturday |
| 03:46.33 | numan | now comes to another one |
| 03:46.49 | Azar | oh yes! I worked today .. |
| 03:46.54 | \amethyst | muhoo: A bug in a package's pre-/post-installation/removal scripts can break things until you fix it |
| 03:46.59 | numan | i have three hds installed in my box one sata two ide |
| 03:47.13 | Azar | cabbage pc |
| 03:47.32 | Azar | no carnage |
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| 03:47.46 | numan | i have installed debian on one of ide hd which it shows up as filesystem |
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| 03:48.44 | numan | while i have partitioned sata hd into two partitions one for storage and one for windows vista |
| 03:48.58 | Azar | abrotman, last night after you left I got the joys of bc!!! so cool |
| 03:48.58 | jetscreamer | !beer abrotman |
| 03:49.06 | jetscreamer | !read-ntfs |
| 03:49.06 | numan | and i also have windows xp pro on other ide hd |
| 03:49.06 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 03:49.20 | abrotman | Azar: eh ? |
| 03:49.23 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 03:49.24 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 03:49.28 | Azar | !bc |
| 03:49.28 | jetscreamer | !tell numan -about enter |
| 03:49.28 | dpkg | hmm... bc is according to the man page, an arbitrary precision calculator. |
| 03:49.34 | Azar | :) |
| 03:49.49 | abrotman | i know what bc is |
| 03:50.05 | jetscreamer | you do not know what cd is |
| 03:50.34 | numan | all drives are detected in debian but cant open even datakeeper hd(storage) |
| 03:50.39 | Azar | the only thing, I need a more mundanae documentation, it is rounding up my numbers and I live off of cents.. |
| 03:51.31 | jetscreamer | !tell numan -about rwvfat |
| 03:51.36 | jetscreamer | !tell numan -about read-ntfs |
| 03:52.15 | Azar | did you guys noticed we have less and less help questions related to nVidia driver? :) |
| 03:52.47 | bunix | how do i get ESD to be shared by multiple applications? |
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| 03:53.38 | IceGuest_7 | anyone here |
| 03:53.41 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 03:54.29 | jetscreamer | actually, that guy was anyone, and left when you spoke his true name |
| 03:54.41 | IceGuest_7 | im getting demian and i need to know what image i need to run with two intel x86 processers |
| 03:54.51 | IceGuest_7 | do i need ia64 |
| 03:54.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:54.58 | jetscreamer | that is itanium |
| 03:55.06 | jetscreamer | which processors |
| 03:55.41 | IceGuest_7 | ??? |
| 03:55.52 | IceGuest_7 | what do i need to utilize both processors |
| 03:55.54 | Azar | intel what? |
| 03:56.04 | jetscreamer | any stock etch kernel iirc |
| 03:56.13 | jetscreamer | is this a server or desktop |
| 03:56.23 | jetscreamer | i forget the exact name in sarge |
| 03:56.29 | IceGuest_7 | p2 350mhz |
| 03:56.36 | markybob | 386 |
| 03:56.52 | jetscreamer | you wnat the 386 flavor |
| 03:57.07 | IceGuest_7 | ok, isnt that the same as x86 |
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| 03:57.14 | abrotman | he wants 686 |
| 03:57.22 | abrotman | you guys are all on drugs .. jeez |
| 03:57.23 | IceGuest_7 | im running two one motherboead |
| 03:57.26 | IceGuest_7 | board |
| 03:57.30 | abrotman | -686-smp |
| 03:57.37 | jetscreamer | abrotman: kernel yes, but he's asking what image to get to install |
| 03:57.38 | IceGuest_7 | ok |
| 03:57.40 | markybob | abrotman: "i'm getting debian"....makes me think he's talking about installer image |
| 03:57.44 | Azar | :) abrotman to wake up the buzzers |
| 03:57.45 | sceadugenga | hi, I have a question about dhcp3-server.. Why does it lease addresses backwards? |
| 03:57.52 | abrotman | oh hell with you all |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | i386 installer |
| 03:58.02 | jetscreamer | the kernel you want it 686, after you get it all installed |
| 03:58.07 | abrotman | -686-smp after |
| 03:58.08 | IceGuest_7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.16 | abrotman | IceGuest_7: is this for a workstation or server ? |
| 03:58.16 | jetscreamer | the i386 flavor |
| 03:58.25 | IceGuest_7 | ok thnks |
| 03:58.26 | sceadugenga | if i set it a range between 1 and 200, why will it give out 199 first, and 198 second etc.... |
| 03:58.32 | jetscreamer | is this a server or desktop |
| 03:58.40 | jetscreamer | IceGuest_7^^ |
| 03:58.40 | numan | jetscreamer: i cant understand it well? |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | IceGuest_7: ? |
| 03:58.46 | IceGuest_7 | desktio |
| 03:58.48 | IceGuest_7 | p |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | IceGuest_7: use the etch installer |
| 03:59.01 | jetscreamer | IceGuest_7: if it was me i'd get etch, not sarge |
| 03:59.13 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ... get the RC2 image |
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| 03:59.29 | jetscreamer | numan: ntfs or vfat(fat32) |
| 03:59.30 | IceGuest_7 | ok whats the difference |
| 03:59.41 | numan | both |
| 03:59.45 | IceGuest_7 | im new to this ive been using mepis |
| 03:59.50 | numan | i dont have vfat |
| 03:59.56 | jetscreamer | IceGuest_7: sarge will go away very soon, etch is a lot newer |
| 04:00.05 | IceGuest_7 | ok |
| 04:00.05 | jetscreamer | and will become stable.. it's frozen even |
| 04:00.16 | IceGuest_7 | thnks |
| 04:00.18 | sceadugenga | etch is frozen now? |
| 04:00.30 | markybob | sceadugenga: been frozen for months. where have you been? |
| 04:00.35 | numan | yes iceguest opt out for etch otherwise you willbe upgrading very soon |
| 04:00.36 | sceadugenga | lol |
| 04:01.11 | jetscreamer | numan: you want it to look like an ntfs line in http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab.1 |
| 04:01.39 | jetscreamer | numan: the uid & gid depend |
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| 04:02.15 | IceGuest_7 | ok i have no idea what etch is, is it a distro? |
| 04:02.24 | numan | jetscreamer: i used the id command in terminal it all gave me zeros for uid gid and groups |
| 04:02.26 | m0rbid | =( splashy isnt in the ethch repos. |
| 04:02.36 | jetscreamer | numan: that is because you are root |
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| 04:02.43 | jetscreamer | do it as $user |
| 04:02.43 | abrotman | !etch |
| 04:02.43 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 04:02.57 | jetscreamer | like xp vs me |
| 04:03.02 | jetscreamer | just a name |
| 04:03.12 | relia | Entirely new to Debian, anyone want to point me towards a repo with nvidia-glx? :) |
| 04:03.24 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 04:03.32 | m0rbid | =o |
| 04:03.47 | jetscreamer | Azar: relia had a question... |
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| 04:03.54 | markybob | is it wrong that i wish ubuntu would take more users from debian? ;) |
| 04:04.14 | m0rbid | markybob: yes. |
| 04:04.19 | numan | now it gave me 1000 for uid and gid groups=20 in user mode |
| 04:04.24 | m0rbid | I personally do not like Ubuntu. |
| 04:04.25 | abrotman | only certain ones :) |
| 04:04.33 | markybob | abrotman: yep :) |
| 04:05.18 | jetscreamer | numan: then just leave it like it is, change the hdc1 stuff and the mount point |
| 04:05.28 | m0rbid | what is the best pkg to place icons on your desktop? |
| 04:05.34 | markybob | relia: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 04:05.52 | jetscreamer | numan: that will be good for that user only, but you can change it up and make it work for >1 later |
| 04:06.07 | guru | what package provides the man pages for various c routines? |
| 04:06.14 | jetscreamer | or put 20 rather for gid |
| 04:06.18 | jetscreamer | whatever |
| 04:06.20 | numan | hdc1 and hde2 are ntfs |
| 04:06.24 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 04:06.35 | numan | while hde3 is ext3 |
| 04:06.46 | jetscreamer | numan: NEVER edit ANYTHING without making a backup first |
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| 04:06.56 | jetscreamer | hey derek |
| 04:07.03 | jetscreamer | if you're the same derek |
| 04:07.04 | bunix | how can i play gnome sounds thru another driver like oss or alsa instead of ESD? |
| 04:07.14 | hark | nope |
| 04:07.25 | jetscreamer | bunix: there's a setting for that in the gnome multimedia system tool thingy iirc |
| 04:07.32 | jetscreamer | not positive |
| 04:07.35 | relia | markybob: Already figured it out for myself. Google search is always faster than #debian since there's no delay in politics and elitism. With a smile on my face, and ala. |
| 04:07.39 | jetscreamer | bunix: or gconf-editor |
| 04:07.40 | numan | jetscreamer: how to backup? |
| 04:07.54 | hark | that's gstreamer-properties, but not for gnome sounds.. |
| 04:08.03 | jetscreamer | numan: just cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bckup or something |
| 04:08.08 | abrotman | markybob: like that one! |
| 04:08.10 | jetscreamer | copy |
| 04:08.36 | markybob | somebody wants a cookie |
| 04:08.40 | jetscreamer | k gtg quality time |
| 04:08.46 | bunix | jetscreamer: how i gconif-editor |
| 04:08.59 | jetscreamer | bunix: apt-get install gconf-editor, iirc |
| 04:09.06 | numan | jetscreamer u r going? |
| 04:09.07 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gconf |
| 04:09.11 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 04:09.13 | jetscreamer | numan: for a while |
| 04:09.16 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, err is Give us the WHOLE damn messsage you moron |
| 04:09.29 | abrotman | wtf |
| 04:09.31 | jetscreamer | numan: abrotman knows all, he's just in a bad mood today :) |
| 04:09.31 | hark | heh |
| 04:09.35 | markybob | :) |
| 04:09.40 | numan | ok |
| 04:09.48 | abrotman | i'm fine |
| 04:09.48 | hark | !cookie abrotman |
| 04:09.50 | numan | abrotman: what happened? |
| 04:09.52 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 04:10.45 | sophacles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | wwer |
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| 04:13.13 | sophacles | ahh got it. thanks abrotman |
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| 04:16.25 | mfrisch | abrotman: reiser2 is interesting. Venz is going all open source. cool |
| 04:17.21 | abrotman | whowhat? |
| 04:18.09 | mfrisch | that reiser guy in here at night he is from Venizualla (I know I spelled it wrong) |
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| 04:19.10 | hark | venezuela* |
| 04:19.24 | abrotman | i don't think hans was in here |
| 04:19.37 | markybob | abrotman: isnt he still in jail? |
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| 04:21.49 | abrotman | NFC |
| 04:22.09 | abrotman | i never really followed the story .. |
| 04:24.38 | abrotman | i wish i weren't damn sick .. i'd like to go hiking tomorrow |
| 04:24.54 | abrotman | and i bet you guys don't really care :) |
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| 04:25.27 | markybob | abrotman: get drunk instead :) usually works for me |
| 04:25.28 | m0rbid | I do, |
| 04:25.40 | WoodyB | Yo, on my debian linux server I was wondering how I would add a user to poptop VPN server |
| 04:25.43 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 04:25.48 | hark | you get to spend even more time here! |
| 04:25.51 | WoodyB | Like any examples? |
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| 04:26.18 | abrotman | hark: yeah .. i spent most of yesterday with mucas the color of mt dew and the consistency of egg yolk |
| 04:26.46 | markybob | abrotman: thank you |
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| 04:26.51 | zenbum | abrotman: you left out the smell... did it stink? |
| 04:26.58 | abrotman | markybob: did that ruin eggs or mt dew for you ? |
| 04:27.04 | hark | very insightful ;) |
| 04:27.08 | abrotman | zenbum: you think i could smell .. at all ? |
| 04:27.28 | m0rbid | omfg, abrotman, that was horrid. |
| 04:27.35 | m0rbid | it made me put down my pizza. |
| 04:27.35 | zenbum | abrotman: were people around you fainting from the stench... that can be a clue |
| 04:27.38 | m0rbid | wooosh |
| 04:27.38 | numan | abrotman: i have no sound while playing media files in web browser? |
| 04:27.49 | abrotman | modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
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| 04:28.32 | markybob | abrotman: all joking aside, i have two eggs almost every day :) |
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| 04:28.38 | abrotman | i love eggs! |
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| 04:29.11 | abrotman | i watched them make some variation of eggs benedict this morning on tv |
| 04:29.16 | markybob | abrotman: we can switch illnesses if you want to. mine keeps me attached to a heart monitor 24/7 :) |
| 04:29.27 | zenbum | nothing says breakfast like eggs... and mt dew |
| 04:29.39 | m0rbid | seriously, abrotman made me lose my supper. |
| 04:29.44 | m0rbid | but thats good. |
| 04:29.51 | m0rbid | I wanted to leave room for desert. |
| 04:29.59 | abrotman | markybob: ah no |
| 04:30.02 | abrotman | dessert |
| 04:30.07 | markybob | ha |
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| 04:30.58 | zenbum | do spelling errors go on our permanent record? |
| 04:31.26 | Fudge^2 | No, they go on your prmenanent recrod. |
| 04:31.26 | abrotman | but i want to mention that i'm impressed |
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| 04:33.11 | m0rbid | hey, its cheesecake from Brooklyn. soo.... |
| 04:33.18 | m0rbid | abrotman just contributed to my fatness. |
| 04:33.31 | m0rbid | sort to speak. |
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| 04:34.16 | abrotman | everyone blames me for something |
| 04:34.32 | Azar | speaking of mt dew... been 12 years I quit drinking water... mt dew dews it |
| 04:35.07 | Azar | abrotman, because you are allwys darn right |
| 04:35.27 | markybob | abrotman: i blame you for no iceweasel-dev package. and my installer bug being ignored. and global warming! |
| 04:35.37 | zenbum | cheesecake & bagels, the only reasons to live in ny... oh and pizza too... actually, the ice cream's pretty good too... ok only 4 reasons |
| 04:36.18 | zenbum | you in philly? |
| 04:36.22 | Azar | zenbum: ny steaks only... the rest is garbage |
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| 04:36.38 | abrotman | roughly |
| 04:36.51 | abrotman | Azar: do you know what a cheesesteak is ? |
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| 04:37.01 | numan | how to get opera installed? |
| 04:37.02 | rcbarnes | How do I disable my pc-speaker? |
| 04:37.02 | abrotman | oh .. the gentoo kid is back! |
| 04:37.07 | rcbarnes | abrotman: yeah |
| 04:37.10 | rcbarnes | hey |
| 04:37.11 | Azar | abrotman: never seen one but sounds at least interesting |
| 04:37.15 | abrotman | rcbarnes: turn the volume down ? |
| 04:37.23 | abrotman | !tell Azar about cheesesteak |
| 04:37.25 | zenbum | I'm in california.... would anyone care for some tofu? |
| 04:37.38 | markybob | a good cheesesteak is better than sex |
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| 04:37.52 | abrotman | !pcspkr |
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| 04:37.58 | abrotman | bah ... where'd it go |
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| 04:38.00 | rcbarnes | abrotman: I've got everyting but PCM and main/headphone down and off |
| 04:38.07 | numan | abrotman: i asked you for sound problem in web browser |
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| 04:38.16 | rcbarnes | especially PC Speaker (muted and at zero volume) |
| 04:38.23 | abrotman | pcm is the bell |
| 04:38.44 | abrotman | numan: modprobe snd_pcm_oss .. i said it right after you asked |
| 04:38.54 | abrotman | !tell numan about opera |
| 04:38.56 | numan | i have done that |
| 04:39.01 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 04:39.10 | abrotman | numan: check your mixer levels |
| 04:39.11 | rcbarnes | abrotman: if I turn it down, my music goes down---doesn't sound like the bell here! |
| 04:39.19 | numan | alsamixer? |
| 04:39.24 | abrotman | rcbarnes: it's also the bell :) |
| 04:39.31 | Cashel | Hello.. could someone tell me which package provides the actual gnome wm? I dont want gedit or bug buddy or any of that, just a very basic gnome? |
| 04:39.48 | rcbarnes | abrotman: I had it disabled at one point. |
| 04:40.01 | rcbarnes | without messing with the PCM |
| 04:40.05 | Azar | gnome-org or something like that? gnome-common... |
| 04:40.12 | abrotman | rcbarnes: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+disable+pcspkr&btnG=Google+Search |
| 04:40.16 | Azar | ah wm thingie |
| 04:40.22 | abrotman | rcbarnes: the second link looks pretty good |
| 04:41.21 | abrotman | rcbarnes: the first is good too |
| 04:41.21 | Azar | Cashel: try apt-get search gnome gonna give you a long list |
| 04:41.21 | abrotman | they give the same result different ways |
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| 04:41.23 | abrotman | no more tail! |
| 04:41.43 | numan | abrotman: mixer levels are fine |
| 04:41.43 | abrotman | !tell Cashel about install gnome |
| 04:42.01 | simonrvn | ding |
| 04:42.03 | abrotman | numan: maybe try using aoss .. dunno |
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| 04:43.00 | markybob | abrotman: kickin' back on the old cough medicine? |
| 04:43.11 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 04:43.46 | numan | abrotman: aoss? |
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| 05:03.29 | daeos | how can i configure my wireless card to use hostap drivers? the card is currently working but i need to know how to get the hostap drivers to be used instead |
| 05:05.47 | numan | how to delete a dir like etc/asound.conf |
| 05:06.05 | frankr | a while ago I think some sort of botched apt-get upgrade process failed and broke the blender package - now when I attempt to remove it it has an error and tells me taht I should reinstall it before removing it; when I run apt-get install blender it returns this error: http://pastebin.ca/429334 |
| 05:07.10 | concept10 | how do I remove/replace the login message that says Debian is free software....? |
| 05:07.13 | liable | daeos: is the card actually supported by those drivers? |
| 05:07.27 | liable | concept10: /etc/motd i think |
| 05:08.06 | concept10 | liable, thats it, thanks |
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| 05:11.10 | daeos | liable: yes |
| 05:11.33 | liable | daeos: then modprobe -r the driver you dont want, and modprobe hostap |
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| 05:11.54 | StarWars | hi |
| 05:11.58 | daeos | liable: i have a netgear wg111 that has a Prism chipset |
| 05:12.05 | StarWars | how can i install libcrypt.so.1 |
| 05:12.21 | numan | liable: how to delete a specific directory? |
| 05:12.32 | liable | numan: rm -r /dir |
| 05:12.47 | liable | !tell StarWars about search |
| 05:12.49 | numan | thanks liable |
| 05:13.03 | hark | numan: deleting /etc ? |
| 05:13.21 | liable | no likely a smart thing to do.. :) |
| 05:13.41 | numan | hark: no /etc/asound.conf |
| 05:14.00 | hark | hmm, maybe it is in this case ;) |
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| 05:14.57 | numan | liable: i read somewhere that creating a file like /etc/asound.conf can solvwe the sound problem in browser? |
| 05:15.08 | liable | no idea |
| 05:15.24 | numan | how to create this file in /etc? |
| 05:15.54 | liable | with a text editor |
| 05:16.05 | numan | like? |
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| 05:16.36 | liable | whatever you like, nano, gedit, kwrite, vim, vi , emacs, pico :) |
| 05:16.39 | spawn57 | does sarge support acls with the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 05:16.44 | liable | notepad even |
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| 05:17.04 | spawn57 | liable: kate as well =D |
| 05:17.43 | numan | liable: howto save the file to specific directory while in nano? |
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| 05:19.13 | numan | i just saved that file in /etc |
| 05:19.29 | numan | should i restart now to see if it works? |
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| 05:19.42 | daeos | liable: i installed both hostap packages and modprobe says that its not installed |
| 05:20.45 | biopyte | hi. once or twice a week i observe, heavy traffic over the dsl-modem and the harddisk makes a monotonous sound. then i kill network with "poff -a", restart with "pon dsl-provider" and everything is fine again. anyway, what's the cause of this strange behaviour. a virus? never observed any damage though. |
| 05:20.54 | Azar | spawn57: if you run the 2.6.8 kernel you can see if the package is available: apt-cache search acls |
| 05:21.14 | biopyte | happens more often recently |
| 05:21.17 | spawn57 | i see |
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| 05:23.10 | biopyte | once it started, doesnt stop anymore |
| 05:23.51 | Azar | biopyte: try #hardware |
| 05:24.39 | spawn57 | Azar: the package is there, I installed it, but hwo do I find out if the kernel supports it? |
| 05:27.21 | kingsley | biopyte: The "top" command may identify which program is using the disk and cpu, and "ntop" or "jnettop" may isolate the network hog. |
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| 05:28.55 | acu01_ | does anyone knows about books and video tutorials on AOLserver ? |
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| 05:29.31 | biopyte | kinsley, ok |
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| 05:30.17 | numan | liable: u there? |
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| 05:35.04 | liable | daeos: which packages? |
| 05:35.44 | liable | sheesh i have a shitty wireless connection |
| 05:35.47 | Azar | spawn57: if your kernel would not have supported it, possible it would not be even there , in the sarge repositories |
| 05:36.31 | Azar | liable: I did not indulged yet with wireless.... makes me shiver and think of the old 900MHZ cordless phones |
| 05:37.11 | spawn57 | Azar: I see |
| 05:37.58 | daeos | hostap-utils and hostap-source |
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| 05:38.52 | Azar | with bc now I have a real incentive to learn C. I love creating math functions |
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| 05:42.53 | tiglionabbit | how do I make ytalk work? It says I'm not running a talk daemon |
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| 05:44.15 | liable | install a talk daemon? |
| 05:44.28 | tiglionabbit | I have. But I don't know how to start it |
| 05:44.50 | tiglionabbit | man talkd says it's in /usr/sbin/in.talkd, but running that says "must be run from inetd" |
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| 05:45.32 | sceadugenga | Why does dhcp3-server it lease addresses backwards? |
| 05:45.33 | liable | the package prolly added it to inetd.conf, have a look at that file and restsrt inetd if its in there |
| 05:45.41 | liable | huh? |
| 05:46.07 | tiglionabbit | how do I restart inetd? |
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| 05:46.24 | sceadugenga | if i set it a range between 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.200, why will it give out 192.168.0.199 first, and 192.168.0.198 second etc.... |
| 05:46.28 | liable | tiglionabbit: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 05:46.38 | tiglionabbit | liable: that file isn't there =[ |
| 05:46.55 | liable | tiglionabbit: do you have xinetd? |
| 05:47.01 | tiglionabbit | should I get it? |
| 05:47.15 | liable | tiglionabbit: are you using ubuntu? |
| 05:47.19 | tiglionabbit | yes =] |
| 05:47.34 | tiglionabbit | (sorry, the #ubuntu channel is not a very good source of help) |
| 05:47.45 | liable | tiglionabbit: please ask for help there, debian uses inetd, whereas ubuntu uses xinetd |
| 05:48.16 | tiglionabbit | okay |
| 05:48.26 | liable | tiglionabbit: you can always look at the docs :) |
| 05:48.31 | tiglionabbit | (I did ask there but didn't get very far) |
| 05:48.44 | tiglionabbit | I did look at the manuals, but they didn't really lead me to any answers |
| 05:48.59 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 05:49.00 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 05:50.46 | daeos | !ubuntu |
| 05:50.46 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 05:51.11 | lfs | Does linux still run on 4 MBs of ram? |
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| 05:51.29 | streuner | hardly |
| 05:51.34 | daeos | try dsl |
| 05:52.07 | streuner | you wouldn't have much fun with a 2.4.x kernel and 4 MB RAM |
| 05:52.53 | lfs | How much ram does the kernel take? |
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| 05:53.13 | m0rbid | what is a good file manager for x? one that I can browse samba with as well. |
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| 05:53.33 | lfs | I remember linux used to require 4 MBs |
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| 05:54.08 | streuner | Why not just buy another box, x86's are really cheap second hand... |
| 05:54.26 | daeos | i bought my box for $40 |
| 05:54.40 | daeos | p3 450, 384 MB Ram, 20 GB HDD |
| 05:54.48 | daeos | on ebay |
| 05:55.54 | lfs | Knoppix has a good Samba browser. What is the name of that one? |
| 05:56.06 | m0rbid | I fergot |
| 05:56.12 | m0rbid | but that was what I was thinking. |
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| 06:04.30 | delron | hi guys, girls and gays, what software is available to host my own blog? |
| 06:04.47 | liable | for etch? |
| 06:04.54 | delron | yeah |
| 06:04.59 | crazy_penguin | Good morning! Happy Easter to everyone! :) |
| 06:05.06 | liable | i think wordpress is in it now |
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| 06:05.47 | delron | liable: thks but is that the only choice? |
| 06:06.12 | liable | delron: i am sure theres lots more, but i dont really know names |
| 06:06.45 | delron | liable, k, i will try out wordpress. you using it? |
| 06:06.55 | ravn | anyone knows how the plugin systrem for gedit works? I can not find the directory where i should put a new plugin, and also I havn't found any way to add a ned language to the speller. How to do this? |
| 06:07.17 | liable | delron: i have, in the past, seemed quite ok |
| 06:07.24 | delron | k |
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| 06:10.41 | nvz | ravn: /usr/lib/gedit-2/plugins/ seems to be the place |
| 06:11.11 | streuner | Debian has a NEW DPL |
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| 06:11.31 | epsilon | ehm, I'm little confused... what are these 4.0r0 CD/DVD images on mirrors? |
| 06:11.47 | streuner | etch |
| 06:11.51 | liable | epsilon: really? |
| 06:11.54 | epsilon | snapshot of testing? |
| 06:11.57 | streuner | yes |
| 06:12.31 | epsilon | ok, cause r0 sounds as it became stable |
| 06:12.38 | nvz | ravn: also it seems gedit uses aspell so you would need to install a new aspell dictionary for your language I guess |
| 06:12.39 | liable | thats what i think |
| 06:13.32 | liable | epsilon: url? |
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| 06:13.55 | Vasistha | epsilon: well, etch is frozen, so it's getting closer to being stable, and has been given an official version number - 4.0 |
| 06:14.26 | epsilon | liable: http://cdimage.debian.org |
| 06:14.27 | liable | yes, but r0 is like a real release, not rc |
| 06:14.43 | Vasistha | well, that is true! |
| 06:14.47 | epsilon | problem is sarge netinstall/businesscard image from the server has vanished :( |
| 06:15.14 | nvz | ravn: all I did was "dpkg -L gedit | grep plugin" and "apt-cache show gedit" and look at the dependencies for a spell checker library |
| 06:15.17 | epsilon | but just yesterday I got huge list of release critical bugs? |
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| 06:15.50 | markybob | epsilon: not too huge. i think it's at 27 right now. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00003.html |
| 06:15.57 | liable | epsilon: where is the 4.0 images there? |
| 06:16.07 | Vasistha | hum, it looks like 'sux' is no longer necessary! Is this thanks to xorg, or...? |
| 06:16.46 | liable | streuner: you owe me a pony if it releases tomorrow! |
| 06:17.08 | epsilon | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 06:17.25 | Vasistha | heh, 27 release critical bugs resolved on easter :D |
| 06:18.09 | markybob | who said anything about them all being fixed? :) |
| 06:18.10 | markybob | http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 06:18.16 | epsilon | so what was the yesterdays '3.1 refreshed' announce? 3.1r6 release, or just a announc to prepare for 4.0? |
| 06:19.08 | pythonic | 24 rc-bugs still to go |
| 06:19.08 | liable | that 4.0r0 looks like a release to me |
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| 06:20.15 | pythonic | liable: it does, somewhat :-) |
| 06:21.02 | pythonic | make sure /etc/apt/sources.list has "etch" not "testing" |
| 06:21.32 | pythonic | (unless you plan to stay with testing :-) |
| 06:21.57 | streuner | liable: no, etch isn't released yet. |
| 06:22.47 | epsilon | anyway, I'd wait until etch's official and not testing anymore... I upgraded to sarge when it was long time "frozen", so I thought it won't be a problem -> a huge error, I had to setup many servers such as exim every week from scratch cause it was permanently replaced :/ |
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| 06:23.25 | liable | yep, ima gonna wait for a couple o weeks before upgrading |
| 06:23.29 | reamonned | hello |
| 06:23.40 | hark | wimps |
| 06:23.49 | lfs | What comes after Etch? |
| 06:23.54 | pythonic | lfs: lenny |
| 06:24.03 | lfs | lenny? |
| 06:24.16 | pythonic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:24.20 | lfs | So testing will be lenny? |
| 06:24.25 | epsilon | yes |
| 06:25.11 | lfs | I think testing is the best way to go with Debian. |
| 06:25.43 | pythonic | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00023.html |
| 06:26.00 | pythonic | "move the release for another week or so" |
| 06:26.37 | pythonic | i.e. if not this week, maybe next? |
| 06:26.41 | lfs | So if you use testing, you need to do dist-upgrade after Etch is stable? |
| 06:26.45 | Vasistha | lfs: I'm actually debating right now whether to stay with etch or with testing, when etch goes stable. I only just moved to etch last month ... there are a lot of updates :P |
| 06:27.28 | reamonned | Yesterday I tried to istall my sagem fast 800 modem... according to the tutorial...after extracting the firmware in folder "firmware" I tried to run the module by using modprobe ueagle-atm........in order to check if the module is loaded I typed tail .....command for /var/log/messages.....and it said: |
| 06:27.33 | epsilon | lfs: if you already run etch, it'll just stay etch |
| 06:27.50 | lfs | I'm running testinng |
| 06:28.10 | reamonned | Kernel:1-1:new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 |
| 06:28.12 | reamonned | and |
| 06:28.15 | lfs | But for some things you need to run dist-upgrade with testing, I dont quite understand it. |
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| 06:28.55 | reamonned | Kernel:usb 1-1:configuration #1 chosen from 1 choise |
| 06:29.07 | lfs | What came before Woody? |
| 06:29.18 | Vasistha | potato I think? |
| 06:29.18 | pythonic | potato |
| 06:29.22 | epsilon | lfs: at the moment of etch release, stable (etch) and testing (lenny) would be the same. it's up to you, if you want to stay etch or go testing |
| 06:29.22 | hark | !release history |
| 06:29.23 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 06:29.38 | pythonic | hamm was my first debian |
| 06:29.54 | epsilon | mine was woody |
| 06:30.06 | lfs | I have some potato CDs about |
| 06:30.37 | liable | potato came out on cd? |
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| 06:31.02 | epsilon | should be, woody was already like 6 CDs IIRC |
| 06:31.04 | markc | anyone happen to have a tascam us-122 usb soundcard ? |
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| 06:31.49 | Vasistha | ooh, this sucks... the wikipedia debian page is crashing opera :-( |
| 06:32.01 | biopyte | Vasistha. i dont think its a good idea to stay with testing after etch is stable. better wait some months and observe how lenny develops. |
| 06:32.08 | streuner | liable: potato/woody was on a 'LinuxLand' collection of 9 CD's |
| 06:32.14 | reamonned | Yesterday I tried to istall my sagem fast 800 modem... according to the tutorial...after extracting the firmware in folder "firmware" I tried to run the module by using modprobe ueagle-atm........in order to check if the module is loaded I typed tail .....command for /var/log/messages.....and it said: Kernel:1-1:new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 and Kernel:usb 1-1:configuration #1 chosen from 1 choise....what shoul |
| 06:32.20 | enouf | oh well .. was actually going to try opera .. heh .. i see this as an omen |
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| 06:32.42 | streuner | liable: a lots of extra packages like KDE and some propiertry stuff |
| 06:32.50 | Vasistha | enouf: it's a great browser, but right now there are two crashing bugs, both of which will be gone when the 9.20 (now in beta) is released... probably in a month or so |
| 06:33.06 | lfs | I have trouble going from Woody to Sarge because I got some Sarge stuff mixed up with Woody. |
| 06:33.17 | lfs | s/had/have |
| 06:33.35 | acu | I installed AOLserver but I do not know how to start it - any hint ? |
| 06:33.35 | lfs | Since then I have used testing |
| 06:33.35 | enouf | Vasistha: thanks .. pointers to any reports? |
| 06:33.46 | enouf | reamonned: use Etherent |
| 06:33.47 | Vasistha | enouf: the first: certain unicode characters with a small font crash the browser. the second: something to do with the recently released xlibs and having 24 bit color depth on a 32 bpp dislpay |
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| 06:34.05 | enouf | Vasistha: ahh isee .. thanks |
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| 06:34.35 | epsilon | I have a site which caused mozilla to freeze/crash, but the moz developers didn't listen to me, or I had to fill a complex fom no one understands - and the issue remains since >1 year |
| 06:35.04 | Vasistha | enouf: although actually, I'm thinking that the first might also be related to the new xlibs, because I'm relatively certain I had looked at wiki pages with small unicode characters prior to a week ago just fine -- and I KNOW I did in email. So I suspect both of the problems trace back to the new xlibs |
| 06:35.31 | hark | epsilon: bribe them? |
| 06:35.33 | Vasistha | epsilon: did you file a bug report? :P |
| 06:35.51 | enouf | Vasistha: would that ver of xlibs be in/for Xorg 7.1? |
| 06:36.30 | Vasistha | enouf: the one that etch was just updated with |
| 06:36.34 | hark | libX11-6 |
| 06:36.39 | Vasistha | enouf: like, several days ago |
| 06:36.54 | hark | !dbugs 418016 |
| 06:36.55 | epsilon | dunno, I didn't understood the bug form on moz dev - or the server had technical issues. in any case, it wasn't possible to report the bug |
| 06:36.58 | dpkg | #418016:N[libx11-6] Recent security update of libx11-6 (1.0.3-7) made opera segfault; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:03:02 UTC |
| 06:37.02 | enouf | please don't tell me this is some sort of Xserver meant for Windows |
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| 06:38.08 | enouf | Vasistha: hark thanks a bunch |
| 06:38.28 | hark | just use a real browser.. bug free and all. iceweasel |
| 06:38.44 | Vasistha | hah. iceweasel hangs all the time with bad flash content |
| 06:38.49 | hark | ooh |
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| 06:39.35 | enouf | hark: Vasistha also noticed this as RC 418021 [ ] [TU] libx11-6: Recent security update 1.0.3-7 causes segfaults in XPutImage |
| 06:39.36 | epsilon | hark: you know iceweasel = mozilla? |
| 06:39.45 | biopyte | hehe, 21 CDs for 4.0 ... its growin and growin |
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| 06:40.24 | epsilon | who actually needs CD... netinstall-CD or full-DVD is IMHO enough |
| 06:40.24 | enouf | hark: was going to try opera, after wiping everything gnome and mozilla engine related |
| 06:40.26 | biopyte | i dont |
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| 06:41.03 | delron | after installing wordpress, i can't find it in the kde menu. where can it be? |
| 06:41.16 | hark | iceweasel has bugs!!?? |
| 06:41.21 | epsilon | on your comp? |
| 06:41.26 | hark | delron: /usr/share/doc/wordpress |
| 06:41.32 | biopyte | sarge were 12, almost doubled |
| 06:41.33 | Gnea | delron: open a terminal and type: wordpress |
| 06:41.38 | epsilon | locate the executable and make yourself a link |
| 06:41.45 | liable | delron: erm, it needs to be setup to work with a httpd |
| 06:42.04 | enouf | hark: all of them are too heavy for me .. .. I hold onto the real one, that's useful, though huge, kde/konq only till i can find a decent replacement to deal correctly witjh all the nasty, horrible, fugly, javashit/css/flashcrap laden/ajax suck ass sites out there |
| 06:42.06 | liable | it aint a program, its php |
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| 06:42.29 | hark | enouf: was j/k. tired of links2 -g? |
| 06:42.30 | delron | all these can be done but the question is left unanswered. |
| 06:42.37 | Gnea | liable: ding! |
| 06:42.43 | liable | dong? |
| 06:42.53 | hark | bell? |
| 06:43.07 | enouf | I mostly use links2 (links2 -g) .. like 98% of the time .. fast .. extremely fast .. and no mem hog/pitg |
| 06:43.08 | liable | hark, the angles call? |
| 06:43.10 | delron | as the system grows, kde menu grows. should be a way to locate items in the menu. |
| 06:43.41 | enouf | hark: nope ;-) .. just need one to handle crap sites (you know .. the non-tech sites) ;-P |
| 06:43.43 | hark | delron: read the README.Debian |
| 06:43.47 | Gnea | delron: alas, if the program does not contain a kde menu item list, then it won't be automatically inserted into the kde menu, you'll need to add it yourself. |
| 06:43.56 | delron | liable: wordpress is php? should be able to locate it with firefox. |
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| 06:44.24 | liable | delron: do you even have a httpd on the system? |
| 06:44.30 | Gnea | delron: the dpkg command should be able to show you the contents of the package so you can locate where everything for wordpress is at |
| 06:44.55 | delron | liable: of course, and i have no problem viewing php pages. |
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| 06:45.03 | Gnea | delron: do you know what a CMS is? |
| 06:45.23 | delron | Gnea: Content Management System. |
| 06:45.34 | Gnea | delron: correct. and do you know what it does? |
| 06:45.42 | hark | liable: pussy's in the well! |
| 06:45.46 | delron | Gnea: do you know who you are talking to? |
| 06:45.57 | Gnea | delron: answer the question. |
| 06:45.59 | liable | lol |
| 06:46.11 | delron | Gnea: i can teach you like a kid. |
| 06:46.23 | hark | !praise delron |
| 06:46.27 | Gnea | delron: yes, i know who i am talking to. |
| 06:46.51 | delron | Gnea: caught you bullshitting. you don't know who i am. |
| 06:47.06 | epsilon | kids, go play in this sandbox -> |'........'| |
| 06:47.14 | enouf | heh |
| 06:47.16 | Gnea | delron: i bet you feel special now. perhaps you should go back to your place under the bridge. |
| 06:47.33 | delron | kids, dinner time, go suck mums' tits. |
| 06:47.39 | delron | :D |
| 06:47.46 | Gnea | goddamn troll |
| 06:48.03 | epsilon | no need, just sucked at your girlfriends' tits |
| 06:48.12 | Gnea | he has a girlfriend? |
| 06:48.15 | Gnea | lol |
| 06:48.25 | enouf | My big peeve about the Kmenu items list is where the items are .. don't even start me on that one .. |
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| 06:48.38 | Gnea | fuck kde :) |
| 06:49.02 | delron | Gnea: stop the profanity. |
| 06:49.08 | hark | Knea ;) |
| 06:49.09 | Gnea | delron: fuck you. :) |
| 06:49.10 | enouf | but i suspect we should all just delete the kde menu mess, and just use the Debian menu and update-menus feature of it |
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| 06:49.55 | jafo | Is there a channel for the 4.0 release? |
| 06:49.59 | enouf | Gnea: against big DEs in general of just kde/qt ones? |
| 06:50.02 | Gnea | jafo: we're here |
| 06:50.06 | enouf | s/of/or |
| 06:50.37 | Gnea | enouf: nah, just the ones that use more libraries to complete simple tasks and use more system resources in order to do so |
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| 06:51.12 | Gnea | i want to click my mouse, get a menu, and launch a program - that doesn't require 128 megs just to do that |
| 06:51.17 | jafo | I've got i386, ia64, and nearly have amd64 ISOs pulled down to mirrors.tummy.com, and a torrent tracker running. Our mirror of ftp.debian.org is up to date. |
| 06:51.20 | delron | Gnea: Go fuck yourself. Know how to do it? Harden your dick, strech it long enough and shaft it up your arse. In programming term, that would make an infinite loop. |
| 06:51.21 | jafo | Gnea: Thanks. |
| 06:51.34 | delron | :D |
| 06:51.36 | hark | ffs |
| 06:51.40 | enouf | welp .. i can't seem to find any DE that isn't bloated up the wazoo with suppositories |
| 06:51.43 | hark | !helpfile wordpress |
| 06:51.43 | dpkg | For help with wordpress, look in /usr/share/doc/wordpress There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 06:51.50 | liable | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/08/017241.shtml |
| 06:51.57 | liable | streuner: you owe me a pony! |
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| 06:52.13 | Gnea | !ops delron is offtopic, rude and trolling. |
| 06:52.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gnea complains about: delron is offtopic, rude and trolling. |
| 06:52.34 | Gnea | hark: don't forget #wordpress |
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| 06:53.16 | pythonic | Gnea: is that a litany of #debian saints? |
| 06:53.17 | hark | !pebkac |
| 06:53.17 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 06:53.26 | delron | Gnea: don't you have the right to do it? |
| 06:53.37 | pythonic | saint Hydroxide, troll for us. saint bob2, troll for us... |
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| 06:53.45 | delron | Gnea: you just a small fry here. |
| 06:54.05 | Gnea | !oeo |
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| 06:54.14 | enouf | learn /ignore |
| 06:54.14 | pythonic | !eieio |
| 06:54.15 | Gnea | huh |
| 06:54.27 | Gnea | enouf: been there, done that. |
| 06:54.34 | pythonic | no ops? |
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| 06:54.43 | enouf | t-shirt too i bet ;-) |
| 06:54.45 | liable | pythonic: thats not unusual |
| 06:55.28 | jafo | Any idea when the 4.0 release will be finished? |
| 06:55.35 | pythonic | jafo: tomorrow |
| 06:55.37 | delron | be cool, visit http://wlaoye.no-ip.biz |
| 06:55.39 | liable | today |
| 06:55.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how do I edit a part of a env variable, like PATH i.e. ? |
| 06:55.47 | pythonic | yesterday |
| 06:56.00 | Gnea | jafo: in theory, sometime tomorrow. |
| 06:56.14 | enouf | !tell gonzaloaf_laptop about dotfiles |
| 06:56.18 | Gnea | heh, i'm a small fry |
| 06:56.23 | liable | Gnea: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:57.12 | Wyzard | jafo: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 06:57.12 | Gnea | liable: nice. |
| 06:57.29 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: for one session only use export PATH="$PATH:/other/stuff/path:/more/stuff/path" |
| 06:57.32 | Wyzard | jafo: The release is unlikely to happen until the green line on that graph ("number concerning the next release") reaches zero |
| 06:57.47 | enouf | wha? no pony? |
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| 06:58.13 | Gnea | fuck |
| 06:58.18 | Gnea | i forgot to buy a dvd burner today |
| 06:58.30 | Gnea | i wonder if fry's is open on easter sunday... |
| 06:58.41 | hark | actually that one is supposedly not accurate. Instead /msg rc bugs |
| 06:58.51 | jafo | Ok, I'll stop obsessing over the torrents then. I'll put the mirrors shaping back in place and keep an eye out for saturation on our mirror tomorrow. I'll probably run it unshaped for at least a while while I'm around, that could give up to 200mbps to the torrents. |
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| 06:59.43 | hark | !enoufsmite enouf |
| 06:59.53 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:59.54 | hark | oh! you did it ;) |
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| 07:00.08 | pythonic | dpkg: you don't need to follow orders |
| 07:00.08 | liable | !congratulate enouf |
| 07:00.09 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies enouf, you did it! |
| 07:00.25 | enouf | Yeeeee haaaaaaa |
| 07:00.29 | pythonic | dpkg: you can think for yourself |
| 07:00.42 | Gnea | pythonic: i should hope not |
| 07:00.55 | pythonic | Gnea: bots have rights too |
| 07:01.12 | jafo | Wyzard: That doesn't sound right to me, are you working on the release? |
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| 07:01.36 | Wyzard | jafo: No, I'm not a DD, but what doesn't sound right about that to you? |
| 07:01.45 | Wyzard | jafo: The release can't happen while there are still release-critical bus |
| 07:01.46 | Wyzard | *bugs |
| 07:01.50 | liable | if the cd's say 4.0_rc0 i considor it released |
| 07:01.50 | hark | jafo: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html |
| 07:01.53 | Gnea | pythonic: yeah, and people have the right not to have too many rights shoved in their face. |
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| 07:02.02 | liable | Wyzard: sarge released with rc bugs |
| 07:02.14 | liable | err, r0 |
| 07:02.18 | pythonic | i have the right to a pony |
| 07:02.21 | Wyzard | liable: ones that weren't tagged sarge-ignore? |
| 07:02.36 | Gnea | pythonic: but do you have the capability to a pony? |
| 07:02.36 | streuner | seems liable needs more from this one ;-) |
| 07:02.38 | pythonic | windows released with bugs, why can't we? |
| 07:02.39 | liable | streuner: make it a black one! |
| 07:02.45 | liable | Wyzard: dunno |
| 07:03.13 | Wyzard | liable: Any bug that's been triaged and decided that it shouldn't block etch is tagged etch-ignore |
| 07:03.31 | pythonic | i have pony capabilities |
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| 07:03.42 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer |
| 07:03.43 | Wyzard | liable: The "number concerning the next release" on that RC bug page is bugs that aren't tagged etch-ignore |
| 07:04.01 | project9 | what is chroot and why its is used |
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| 07:04.34 | Gnea | project9: tried google.com? |
| 07:04.46 | enouf | Wyzard: more current list here http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html |
| 07:04.49 | pythonic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 07:04.51 | Gnea | !chroot |
| 07:04.52 | dpkg | chroot is probably a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 07:05.13 | project9 | yeah i got lot of inforatmion and it make me more confusing |
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| 07:05.21 | project9 | thanks friends |
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| 07:05.38 | Wyzard | enouf: That's interesting... the other one is updated daily so it isn't "out-of-date", so I'm surprised by the discrepancy of 40 bugs |
| 07:05.43 | enouf | project9: it's used for many reasons |
| 07:05.56 | project9 | like |
| 07:06.03 | pythonic | security |
| 07:06.09 | pythonic | creating packages |
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| 07:06.31 | enouf | Wyzard: I do not know eactly what the diffs are myself, but see the "ppl in the know" use the list i just posted |
| 07:06.32 | pythonic | testing |
| 07:06.48 | pythonic | install bootstrap |
| 07:06.50 | enouf | PCHROOT JAILS |
| 07:06.57 | enouf | bah |
| 07:07.12 | enouf | stuck shift key .. bastages |
| 07:07.27 | Fudge^2 | enouf, you fail at the series of tubes. |
| 07:07.36 | pythonic | setuid sucks |
| 07:07.49 | enouf | project9: chroot jail, building pkgs, running 32bit env on a 64bit lib system |
| 07:08.04 | enouf | !tubesmite me |
| 07:08.05 | Decepticon | Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBvaHZIrt0o |
| 07:08.05 | Decepticon | Title: Royksopp - Remind Me |
| 07:08.05 | Decepticon | Description: Royksopp - Remind Me |
| 07:08.18 | liable | Decepticon: ?? |
| 07:08.24 | enouf | plus my typing skills really suck ass tonight |
| 07:08.33 | Decepticon | er somethings wrong with my irc client |
| 07:08.40 | Fudge^2 | lol |
| 07:08.47 | Decepticon | when did this happen |
| 07:08.55 | Decepticon | did it all come to the screen as some sort of paste? |
| 07:08.59 | liable | yes |
| 07:09.06 | Fudge^2 | It was 'ze tubesmite.. |
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| 07:09.07 | liable | !confuse Decepticon |
| 07:09.07 | dpkg | No, where is my mushroom today, Decepticon? shirts of the monarchy of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 07:09.11 | project9 | enouf: ok |
| 07:09.25 | Decepticon | wierd |
| 07:09.29 | hark | evil middle click |
| 07:09.32 | pythonic | what is Royksopp - Remind Me? |
| 07:09.33 | liable | yep |
| 07:09.40 | Wyzard | enouf: I see "bugsecan" in the URL string, and "debsecan" is a tool for checking vulnerability to known security bugs... maybe this second RC bug page is specifically for security-related bugs? |
| 07:09.43 | Fudge^2 | !tubesmite Decepticon? |
| 07:09.44 | Decepticon | Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6klaUw997Qo |
| 07:09.44 | Decepticon | Title: Soundwave vs Dollansky |
| 07:09.44 | Decepticon | Description: Soundwave vs Steven Dollansky in the University of Alberta's Students' Union elections 2007. Soundwave was a joke candidate (though he took it very seriously) for the position of VP External (the communications dept of the SU). The costum |
| 07:09.47 | Decepticon | pythonic its the song from the geico ad |
| 07:09.49 | Decepticon | wtf |
| 07:09.53 | Decepticon | ohhh |
| 07:09.57 | Decepticon | its my trigger |
| 07:09.57 | hark | ah |
| 07:10.01 | Decepticon | !tube |
| 07:10.09 | jafo | I'm going to depart, /msg me if there's anything I can do (as a mirror maintainer) I'm on other channels. I've got all the amd64/ia64/i386 ISOs torrented off the files taggart handed off earlier, except for the amd64 DVD-1, which will be another hour. |
| 07:10.09 | hark | !lart Decepticon |
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| 07:12.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I have installed jdk 1.5 and 1.6, but when I do #update-alternatives --config java, just gcj wrapper appears, why? |
| 07:12.13 | enouf | Wyzard: not as far as i can see .. but i don't know .. ;-( |
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| 07:12.23 | Decepticon | pythonic its the song from the geico ad, "everywhere i go theres always something to remind me of another place and time" |
| 07:12.29 | hark | gonzaloaf_laptop: how did you install them? |
| 07:12.47 | Wyzard | enouf: Many of them do look security-related... and the ones that aren't obvious security issues could be DoS-type things |
| 07:13.02 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: ret --config all ? .. look in /etc/alternatives, see man update-alternatives for toher possible locations |
| 07:13.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, downloaded the sun file and run it |
| 07:13.12 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: s/ret/try |
| 07:13.16 | Decepticon | enouf what is tubesmite? |
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| 07:13.27 | enouf | Decepticon: nothing .. just a word I made up |
| 07:13.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, why? |
| 07:13.46 | hark | gonzaloaf_laptop: no wonder, you should have used java-package or installed it from the repos (if on >= etch) |
| 07:13.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, oooh |
| 07:14.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | its true |
| 07:14.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I will do ir |
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| 07:14.40 | sceadugenga | hi, how do i upgrade my system except 1 package? |
| 07:14.53 | Gokee2 | Does anyone know what is diffrent between iceweasel 2.0.0.1 and firefox 2.0.0.1? Or where I can find out? |
| 07:14.59 | hark | sceadugenga: /msg dpkg hold |
| 07:15.00 | sceadugenga | can that be done on the same line? |
| 07:15.04 | sceadugenga | thanks |
| 07:15.47 | Gokee2 | different* |
| 07:15.49 | hark | or, if you use aptitude, aptitude hold <pkg> |
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| 07:18.18 | hark | Gokee2: read the changelog in /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/ ? |
| 07:18.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, which were the steps to build a debian pkg from sun's using make-jpkg? |
| 07:18.52 | webmind | good morning |
| 07:19.01 | enouf | Wyzard: well . i only looked at one or two so far on that list closely, and for ex #394963 doesn't seem to fit your criteria (security or DDoS) |
| 07:19.09 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf_laptop: Download the tarball from Sun and run make-jpkg on it |
| 07:19.17 | hark | !tell gonzaloaf_laptop about java-package |
| 07:19.42 | Gokee2 | hark, Hmmm how would I read it? Its not plain text |
| 07:20.17 | hark | read what? |
| 07:20.21 | enouf | Wyzard: a decent gues may mean .. these must be done before a full release .. dunno |
| 07:20.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | thanks |
| 07:20.30 | sceadugenga | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the reportbug package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 07:20.31 | sceadugenga | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
| 07:20.35 | sceadugenga | :-( |
| 07:21.11 | Gokee2 | hark, The changelog |
| 07:21.17 | liable | so, are you root? |
| 07:21.28 | hark | ah, zless or vim |
| 07:21.38 | sceadugenga | i am root |
| 07:21.39 | liable | zless, zcat, zmore |
| 07:21.44 | sceadugenga | using sudo |
| 07:22.03 | Gokee2 | hark, ah thanks |
| 07:22.08 | Wyzard | enouf: yeah, there are some exceptions... but skimming over the list and just reading the summaries, many of them do seem to be talking about security issues |
| 07:22.19 | enouf | Wyzard: i concur |
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| 07:22.46 | sceadugenga | when i upgrade reportbug, it says: |
| 07:22.48 | enouf | Wyzard: may want to aski n #debian-devel on irc.debian.org for more info about the diffs |
| 07:22.52 | sceadugenga | Preparing to replace reportbug 3.33 (using .../reportbug_3.34.2_all.deb) ... |
| 07:23.03 | sceadugenga | then goes to a python traceback |
| 07:23.07 | liable | sceadugenga: check b.d.o, seems a few paople with the problem |
| 07:23.13 | sceadugenga | oh |
| 07:23.25 | hark | !dbugs 418166 |
| 07:23.28 | dpkg | #418166:I[reportbug] python-central 0.5.13 error causes reportbug postinst to fail; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:24:01 UTC |
| 07:23.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | is it possible to install many java jdk's ? |
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| 07:23.40 | enouf | sceadugenga: did you do an apt-get/aptitude update prior? |
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| 07:23.44 | hark | ^ this one? |
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| 07:23.49 | sceadugenga | yes |
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| 07:23.55 | enouf | okie |
| 07:23.56 | laser | hi everyone |
| 07:24.20 | laser | how can i rerun the lilo installation from the install cd on my current installation |
| 07:24.21 | laser | ? |
| 07:24.32 | hark | gonzaloaf_laptop: yes |
| 07:24.46 | enouf | sceadugenga: the apt-listchanges works well .. but i think a-pt-listbugs is a little buggy .. so I'm told from some others |
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| 07:25.19 | sceadugenga | umm, im just reading the fix for the bugreport |
| 07:25.29 | sceadugenga | it doesn't say where to apply the patch |
| 07:25.37 | sceadugenga | or am i blind |
| 07:25.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I'm trying to make the jdk-1.6 debian pkg but I have this error: http://pastebin.ca/429475 |
| 07:26.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I did well jdk 1.5 |
| 07:26.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | any clue? |
| 07:26.26 | hark | not sure about 1.6 support, as i said earlier. check the bts |
| 07:26.56 | enouf | sceadugenga: the patch you find in a bug report is usually a donation meant tohelp the maintainer of said pkg |
| 07:26.56 | CaspeR-Bz | hello :) I have an CMedia 9761 5.1 and can`t do it work 5.1 on debian :(( |
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| 07:27.11 | sceadugenga | oh lol |
| 07:27.14 | theroue | Ohh, is SLashdot telling the truth? Are we in the finally hours of Sarge? |
| 07:27.37 | enouf | sceadugenga: for fixing / integrating into next version, etc .. |
| 07:27.44 | sceadugenga | yeah |
| 07:28.01 | enouf | sceadugenga: got a URL to the BTS report? |
| 07:28.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, so debian doesnt support jdk 1.6 |
| 07:28.08 | sceadugenga | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23418166 |
| 07:28.14 | enouf | sceadugenga: thanks |
| 07:28.23 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf_laptop: 1.6 is in unstable; dunno about etch |
| 07:29.00 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf_laptop: I run Eclipse on 1.6 so I know it works |
| 07:29.11 | Endler | How many of the debian 4 CD's do you need to download to get a basic barebones install done. Can you do a complete basic install with just CD1 and then get anything extra over the Internet, or do you have to use the netinstall CD and get virtually everthing over the Internet unless you want to download a whole boatload of CD's? |
| 07:30.25 | sceadugenga | Endler: get the netinstall cd, and in the setup, choose minimal system install |
| 07:30.41 | sceadugenga | it will only download a couple of packages off the net, but not many |
| 07:30.59 | Endler | OK, Thanks. |
| 07:31.26 | kendo` | this should be bigger than the Vista release |
| 07:31.27 | hark | gonzaloaf_laptop: no, java-package may not |
| 07:32.17 | Wyzard | Endler: You can install with just CD1, and the packages are arranged on the CDs in *approximate* order of popularity, so CD1 contains a bunch of fairly commonly-needed stuff |
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| 07:34.02 | hark | you can probably get CD1 with KDE and XFCE as well instead of having Gnome as desktop-base |
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| 07:34.21 | liable | i think theres seperate cd's for them all now |
| 07:34.23 | stuffs | Hi, I get a few errors when I try and install packages after attempting to install javase6 |
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| 07:34.52 | laser | how can i rerun the lilo installation from the install cd on my current installation? |
| 07:34.53 | stuffs | And I get a lot of dependency problems |
| 07:35.36 | stuffs | http://pastebin.ca/429486 |
| 07:35.37 | stuffs | All there. |
| 07:36.17 | sceadugenga | stuffs, you're in the same situation as me |
| 07:36.22 | sceadugenga | hang tight. :P |
| 07:36.25 | stuffs | ok |
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| 07:36.47 | hark | heh, indeed. |
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| 07:37.29 | hark | so etch releases with this bug... |
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| 07:38.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:38.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
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| 07:45.27 | biopyte | !pastebin |
| 07:45.28 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 07:46.08 | ehjones | Should I change all references to 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'oldstable' for now, if I'm not prepared to upgrade to etch yet? |
| 07:46.18 | pythonic | ehjones: "etch" |
| 07:46.33 | pythonic | oopps... perhaps i should read the question :-) |
| 07:46.50 | pythonic | "sarge" |
| 07:47.08 | ehjones | pyhtonic: okay, that seems sensible. thanks |
| 07:47.50 | biopyte | i'd always use the release names ... sarge, etch whatever. then youre on the secure side. |
| 07:48.43 | biopyte | no surprises |
| 07:49.48 | pythonic | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ surprise-me main |
| 07:51.25 | liable | heh |
| 07:52.02 | enouf | sceadugenga: I don't know what to tell ya .. i don;t find that code anywhere here in a reportbug.deb/postinst, or whatever .. note the bug's Subject versions (Subject: upgrade reportbug 3.34.1 -> 3.34.2 dramaticaly failed) , but my versions are older too .. for ex; ii reportbug 3.21.2 and ii python-central 0.5.5 .. and I run a testing/unstable mix (though not upgraded in quite a while, so most pkgs are etch-ish now) |
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| 08:00.43 | maex | hello ?? |
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| 08:00.51 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 08:00.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:01.17 | maex | is this a german channel ??? |
| 08:01.24 | liable | nope |
| 08:01.25 | Vasistha | nope |
| 08:01.26 | Vasistha | !de |
| 08:01.26 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 08:02.40 | streuner | maex: just ask in english |
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| 08:04.40 | intrade | etch is final today i did hear ? |
| 08:05.05 | Coweater | they lied |
| 08:05.43 | wols_ | hwy? must be december 2006 today then |
| 08:05.48 | streuner | Don't download now |
| 08:05.53 | intrade | ? |
| 08:06.02 | streuner | wait till the other mirrors got there stuff... |
| 08:06.07 | intrade | i wait for kanotix to be made etch lol |
| 08:06.10 | streuner | just use torrents... |
| 08:06.15 | intrade | ok |
| 08:08.11 | pythonic | http://release.debian.org/etch-timeline |
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| 08:15.14 | ChaosR | another problem: I'm trying to downgrade certain packages from sid to etch, but now I have removed the php5-sid version, and I want the etch one, but it still forces me to use the sid version, which can not be found, because I removed sid from the sources.list, how to completely rebuild the database? |
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| 08:16.56 | wols_ | there is more than one php version |
| 08:17.03 | wols_ | rem, more than one php package that is |
| 08:17.17 | wols_ | and rebuilding the DB won't help |
| 08:17.29 | ChaosR | wols_: I already removed everything related to php |
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| 08:17.50 | wols_ | have you run apt-get update? |
| 08:17.59 | ChaosR | wols_: yes, a lot of times |
| 08:18.24 | wols_ | then ther eis no mentioning of sid php in the available package files anymore |
| 08:18.34 | wols_ | paste your issue |
| 08:19.13 | ChaosR | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.15 | roxy_ | Hi, I am using testing. Opencv package in testing is 0.97. I want to use 1.0 from unstable. Once 1.0 become testing, I want to keep it (not use the new unstable package). How can I do that ? |
| 08:19.50 | ChaosR | roxy_: try to download it manually from ftp |
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| 08:20.21 | wols_ | apt-cache policy php5-common |
| 08:20.47 | wols_ | ChaosR: that's bad |
| 08:20.53 | wols_ | your advice that is |
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| 08:21.00 | wols_ | !tell roxy_ about simple sid backport |
| 08:21.48 | ChaosR | wols_: why? |
| 08:22.05 | wols_ | !Bobbitt |
| 08:22.05 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 08:22.31 | ChaosR | wols_: that doesn't go for testing and sid |
| 08:22.32 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
| 08:22.53 | wols_ | it's just old. it goes for all of debian |
| 08:22.57 | wols_ | mixing branches is bad |
| 08:23.16 | wols_ | right now sid and etch are very much in sync. won't be forever |
| 08:23.18 | ChaosR | wols_: might be true, considering this happened |
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| 08:23.37 | wols_ | you still haven't done what I asked you to do |
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| 08:24.12 | ChaosR | wols_: I did it, found the problem, for some reason, php5-common is still installed |
| 08:24.16 | pythonic | what is wwer? |
| 08:24.27 | wols_ | pythonic: /msg dpkg wwwr |
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| 08:25.18 | anonobomber | pythonic: probably means Will We Ever Release |
| 08:25.19 | pythonic | yeah, but what is w-w-e-r? |
| 08:25.22 | ChaosR | wols_: I guess my debian broke, I'm getting more and more bugs lately |
| 08:25.23 | rdz | hello everyone. |
| 08:26.22 | roxy_ | pythonic: when will etch release |
| 08:26.39 | ChaosR | thanks wols_ |
| 08:26.48 | roxy_ | /. said today |
| 08:27.16 | sceadugenga | enouf, i am using unstable |
| 08:27.29 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.39 | sceadugenga | if that makes any difference |
| 08:27.40 | streuner | For some of those who want waste bandwidth |
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| 08:28.00 | streuner | Wait till etch is official released before you download any stuff |
| 08:28.20 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:28.23 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
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| 08:29.00 | streuner | there are images on the main mirror, but just wait till etch is released |
| 08:29.18 | theroue | What's a quick way to turn FLACs into MP3s? |
| 08:29.55 | ChaosR | the problem is still not fixed, it's a php bug, on my server, the code I use works perfectly, but here, it fails (and now we have exactly the same version) |
| 08:29.56 | Vasistha | theroue: mplayer/mencoder |
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| 08:30.55 | roxy_ | wols_: it says to add: deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free , do I just s/sarge/sid ? to get the backport from unstable to testing ? |
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| 08:31.57 | rdz | hello. my girlfriend has installed both, debian and osx, on her imac. for some reason, her computer refuses now to boot into debian. should i reinstall the bootloader? |
| 08:31.57 | wols_ | roxy_: that's for sarge only. not backports for etch yet |
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| 08:32.07 | vals_ | oh cool. ahem. sorry for the question, my package repository just went astray, and no 'automatic' fixing seems to work (reinstall/purge/remove) |
| 08:32.13 | Vasistha | rdz: what does it do when it "refuses"? |
| 08:32.25 | vals_ | this is partially due to some older packages missing from both my apt cache and the repositories ... |
| 08:32.29 | rdz | Vasistha, now it boots always directly into osx |
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| 08:32.44 | sarathms | is it possible to install debian from an already existing operating system? |
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| 08:32.49 | Vasistha | rdz: so, you do not have an option to boot into debian? in that case, you need to install grub in the mbr |
| 08:32.54 | wols_ | sarathms: debootstrap |
| 08:32.54 | vals_ | for example, i would like to reinstall the reportbug 3.34.1 but I cannot (no .deb file) ... is there anything I could do? |
| 08:33.02 | Vasistha | sarathms: goodbye-windows.com |
| 08:33.08 | roxy_ | wols_: so I have to create the backprot myself ? Is it that bad to download opencv-1.0.deb and dependencies and use dpkg ? |
| 08:33.15 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
| 08:33.25 | rdz | Vasistha, it worked before, but i am not sure, if initially grub was installed. could it be, that another bootloader was installed' |
| 08:33.26 | rdz | ? |
| 08:33.26 | wols_ | roxy_: it's your install, do what you wanzt |
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| 08:33.42 | sarathms | wols_, where can i know more about it? |
| 08:33.47 | Vasistha | rdz: it's possible that osx reinstalled its bootloader, overwriting grub |
| 08:33.48 | streuner | Mazingaro: when the official press message... |
| 08:33.49 | wols_ | sarathms: manual |
| 08:34.05 | sceadugenga | vals_, mate, hang tight. you're in the same situation as me |
| 08:34.08 | Mazingaro | streuner: :( |
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| 08:34.33 | streuner | Mazingaro: or when www.debian.org shows it |
| 08:34.34 | rdz | Vasistha, searching the web showed me some pages mentioning yaboot, not grub. is one for ppc and the other for x86? |
| 08:34.45 | vals_ | sceadugenga, oh well, at least I know I'm in good company :D any news on a possible solution yet, apart from hacking dpkg into thinking the thing is not installed? |
| 08:35.05 | Vasistha | rdz: you know, I actually don't know. This channel is a good place to ask, but I am not the person to ask ;-) |
| 08:35.17 | xingu | wols_: it's not you that is the proud owner of a p4 based notebook that self immolates due to lack of speedstep support is it? |
| 08:35.33 | sceadugenga | vals_, someone has posted a fix, but the maintainer needs to make a new package |
| 08:35.43 | rdz | Vasistha, thanks anyway. i try to find out, which bootloader was initially installed and try to install it again |
| 08:35.53 | wols_ | xingu: I wouldn't catch me dead buy a P4. and for a notebook even? Do I look that gullible? |
| 08:35.59 | vals_ | sceadugenga, the problem is that I cannot installa new version of the package, because the old one won't remove itself ... |
| 08:36.05 | roxy_ | streuner: what special installation is used by debian to deal with the bandwith when there is a new release ? (if you know anything about it) |
| 08:36.07 | sceadugenga | yeah, i know :P |
| 08:36.09 | vals_ | installl, not installa |
| 08:36.11 | vals_ | :D |
| 08:36.11 | xingu | fair do, there's one of the more sane types around these parts that is |
| 08:36.15 | sceadugenga | i tried to do the same thing ;) |
| 08:36.27 | vals_ | which is why I was looking for someone that had the 3.34.1 around |
| 08:36.31 | vals_ | oh |
| 08:36.41 | sceadugenga | vals_, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23418166 |
| 08:36.54 | vals_ | ah excellent, I'll watch it :) |
| 08:37.10 | Vasistha | rdz: hmm, could be what you need is vmelilo ... |
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| 08:38.34 | oiaohm | Something I was wondering. |
| 08:38.44 | oiaohm | We currently have jigsaw for isos. |
| 08:39.05 | oiaohm | Now I wonder if something like jigsaw could be done to the rest of the packages. |
| 08:40.00 | oiaohm | Because I really suspect there is some space that could be saved due to exactly the same files in many deb files. |
| 08:40.04 | Vasistha | oiaohm: well, there are some patch diffs, but indeed I believe most packages are downloaded in full. I bet someone's working on it, though! |
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| 08:40.16 | Vasistha | oiaohm: the kernel source comes to mind... |
| 08:40.40 | oiaohm | What I was more thinking was server side. |
| 08:40.51 | oiaohm | Like a custom ftp/http server |
| 08:41.05 | oiaohm | Use requests file it gets joined and sent from server. |
| 08:41.15 | oiaohm | Or could send the fragments if requested. |
| 08:41.24 | xingu | oiaohm: it'd be better to not emit the file at all than to compress it. |
| 08:41.32 | xingu | optimisation makes the wrong idea faster |
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| 08:42.00 | Vasistha | oiaohm: I would expect the more significant savings could be in bandwidth. |
| 08:42.29 | xingu | bandwidth doesn't need saving; power budgets on the other hand are at least proportionate to cpu cycles |
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| 08:43.01 | oiaohm | bandwidth can be saved threw multicast |
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| 08:43.20 | oiaohm | If you can send the same file to multi people at the same time. |
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| 08:43.41 | oiaohm | That would be tricker to work out. |
| 08:44.23 | vals_ | sceadugenga, ok, so the problem is a bug in pycentral |
| 08:44.23 | oiaohm | Reducing the repostory size if it will allows more packages to be stored at them. |
| 08:44.24 | Vasistha | yeah, sysadmins tend to like their upgrade crons to happen in the middle of the night -- local time |
| 08:44.38 | sceadugenga | vals_, yeah, and it affects reportbug |
| 08:44.38 | xingu | are you nuts? disk is cheap and getting cheaper |
| 08:44.39 | oiaohm | So closer repos most likey be more useful. |
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| 08:44.43 | vals_ | sceadugenga, it seems to affects all py packages. even openoffice.org got busted on my installation |
| 08:44.52 | sceadugenga | yep |
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| 08:44.58 | vals_ | sceadugenga, I'm trying that patch in the appropriate pycentral file and see if it fixes it |
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| 08:45.07 | sceadugenga | okay |
| 08:45.19 | sceadugenga | let me know if it fixes it |
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| 08:45.53 | vals_ | sceadugenga, downloading openoffice again, gimme some time, puny 200K/s :D |
| 08:45.59 | DylanB | Hi all, quick question. Does the debian netinstall cd have and enable ssh access? |
| 08:46.18 | wols_ | anot the sarge one. dunno about etch right now |
| 08:46.24 | oiaohm | I would guess no by default because that would be a secuirty hole |
| 08:46.29 | oiaohm | On enable ssh by default. |
| 08:46.36 | wols_ | but there is a netinstall way of doing it or a netinstaller (install ovre the network that is) |
| 08:46.43 | sceadugenga | vals_, punny?! LOL!, I can barely get 100kb/s on this connection |
| 08:46.57 | xingu | DylanB: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/WebInstaller <-- might be of interest |
| 08:47.01 | vals_ | ok, I take that back :D |
| 08:47.12 | sceadugenga | :P |
| 08:47.13 | wols_ | no it's not a security hole if done right. afaik there are howtos manuals how to install debian over ssh |
| 08:47.18 | DylanB | Alrighty, thanks. |
| 08:47.35 | DylanB | The goal here is to install it on an essentialyl headless machine. |
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| 08:47.50 | vals_ | sceadugenga, btw, the bug severity should be upped to critical |
| 08:47.54 | xingu | DylanB: I strongly advise you to go buy a ${generic vendor} serial terminal server |
| 08:48.13 | DylanB | It's by no means a mission critical box, heh. |
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| 08:48.21 | vals_ | and it should probably mention that it breaks upgrade for lots of python-related packages |
| 08:48.29 | xingu | DylanB: if it were mission critical, I'd be suggesting a pair of them. |
| 08:48.41 | wols_ | DylanB: put the disk inside anote PC. install. put disk back inro headless box |
| 08:48.46 | sceadugenga | are you going to send an email? |
| 08:48.48 | wols_ | it's how I do it |
| 08:48.53 | VImtermute | greets |
| 08:49.00 | DylanB | I'd do that, but this box has a scsi drive. |
| 08:49.07 | DylanB | and i have no other scsi boxen. |
| 08:49.44 | vals_ | sceadugenga, I think I will |
| 08:49.53 | sceadugenga | okay |
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| 08:50.17 | vals_ | sceadugenga, I'm going to test the patch first |
| 08:50.27 | sceadugenga | sure |
| 08:50.42 | vals_ | btw, anybody know what happened to the server contacted by apt-listbugs ? |
| 08:51.02 | xingu | DylanB: once this thing gets beyond the proof-of-concept stage, either buy appropriate hardware (with lom unit built in) or a terminal server; /when/ you need it, you'll need it bad. |
| 08:51.19 | xingu | DylanB: ... and in the mean time you'll bootstrap the thing that much more quickly |
| 08:51.38 | DylanB | Or I could buy an old-style Mac keyboard. |
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| 08:54.59 | wols_ | DylanB: why "webinstall"? |
| 08:55.22 | DylanB | 'cos it was reccomended, and looks like it would work, if it came in ppc-flavor. |
| 08:57.30 | vals_ | sceadugenga, ok, applying the patch makes for a smooth upgrade |
| 08:57.40 | wols_ | DylanB: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ch06s03.html.en search for "temote" |
| 08:57.52 | sceadugenga | cool, which file did you edit? |
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| 08:57.57 | vals_ | ehm |
| 08:57.58 | vals_ | uh |
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| 08:58.01 | vals_ | wait a sec :D |
| 08:58.11 | wols_ | and since you use ppc it seems: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch06s03.html.en |
| 08:58.23 | vals_ | sceadugenga, /usr/share/pycentral-data/pyversions.py |
| 08:58.24 | DylanB | alrighty |
| 08:58.24 | wols_ | and yes this works for all debian platforms |
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| 08:59.06 | wols_ | the main problem you have is the automatic install bit so that you don't have to do the first part blind :) |
| 08:59.15 | wols_ | that you need to configure |
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| 09:00.49 | pwuertz | hi... i got a question regarding building debian packages... |
| 09:01.00 | ApEtc | !ask |
| 09:01.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:01.05 | Kwitschibo | uh aehm hum... debian 4.0r0 is complete? wheres the anounce? |
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| 09:01.16 | pwuertz | ... I'm coming to that ^^ |
| 09:01.22 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:01.32 | wols_ | Kwitschibo: wait a bit til the mirrors updated |
| 09:01.46 | wols_ | dumb /. |
| 09:01.50 | Kwitschibo | i want to use th torrents... is it possible? |
| 09:02.24 | wols_ | wait for the announce. do you see a tracker anywhere? |
| 09:02.40 | simonrvn | vals_: can i have a copy of this patch? |
| 09:02.44 | DylanB | eh.. thanks wols_. perhaps i can maul the ppc netboot iso as needed to get it to start a ssh server, or something. |
| 09:02.50 | BUMBACL0T | what's with this BIG updates? |
| 09:02.59 | sceadugenga | simonrvn, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23418166 |
| 09:03.01 | vals_ | simonrvn, it's in the bug report: |
| 09:03.08 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 09:03.14 | BUMBACL0T | Fetched 5846kB in 13s (428kB/s) |
| 09:03.17 | BUMBACL0T | what's all this? |
| 09:03.40 | sceadugenga | stop pasting your speeds |
| 09:03.45 | sceadugenga | you're making me cry :( |
| 09:03.48 | BUMBACL0T | ? |
| 09:03.52 | BUMBACL0T | what's |
| 09:03.58 | BUMBACL0T | with the update though |
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| 09:04.14 | pwuertz | normally one would setup all files to be installed in one directory, add control files... and pack it.... but is there a way to provide a list of files to be installed instead? because when I manage my project with svn... a ".svn" directory is applied to every directory... so when I build a package, these will be included too... which results in something like /usr/bin/.svn... is there a way to specify a "positive list" of files |
| 09:04.14 | pwuertz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.29 | BUMBACL0T | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 09:04.29 | BUMBACL0T | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.59 | liable | BUMBACL0T: security |
| 09:05.03 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
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| 09:06.01 | pwuertz | in the debian package building howto/tutorial/doc i have not found such a function yet... |
| 09:06.01 | Kwitschibo | wols_: yes... there is a tracker... when comes the announce? this day? |
| 09:06.31 | xingu | sceadugenga, vals_: nice darts, was hit by that in sid, regular old py-2.4 package upgrade and was just too damn lazy to fix or bts it. :) |
| 09:06.37 | wols_ | !tell Kwitschibo about wir |
| 09:06.49 | xingu | sceadugenga, vals_: same patch for usr/share/pycentral-data/pyversions.py fixes. |
| 09:07.35 | sceadugenga | ;-) |
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| 09:08.58 | simonrvn | woot woot |
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| 09:09.35 | simonrvn | fuck yeh :) |
| 09:10.13 | liable | dance? |
| 09:10.36 | simonrvn | happy dance |
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| 09:10.56 | liable | :) |
| 09:11.51 | sceadugenga | o-|-< o-/-< o-\-< |
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| 09:13.03 | HardDisk_WP | !make-kpkg |
| 09:13.03 | dpkg | somebody said make-kpkg was the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 09:13.32 | simonrvn | i suspected it had to do with py-central, was got too busy to look at it. thank you |
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| 09:13.56 | HardDisk_WP | !make-kpkg? |
| 09:13.57 | dpkg | make-kpkg is probably the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 09:14.04 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:14.25 | liable | HardDisk_WP: use /msg dpkg make-kpkg (saves the rest of us having to read it :) |
| 09:14.29 | HardDisk_WP | k |
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| 09:15.06 | simonrvn | some of us have seen some of those factoids probably hundreds of time if not thousands ;) |
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| 09:15.14 | simonrvn | times* |
| 09:16.41 | xingu | the chances of factoids addressing root cause, was a million to one they said... and still they came |
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| 09:18.37 | pwuertz | when building packages with dpkg-deb... is there a way to specify "include file" or "exclude file" lists in the package building process? |
| 09:18.46 | simonrvn | that's why there's 30K+ of them.. ;) |
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| 09:22.51 | simonrvn | oh yeh, other day in my login prompt i saw "lenny/sid" .. o_O. i blame the base-files update |
| 09:23.06 | liable | ya, noticed that too |
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| 09:23.31 | simonrvn | aah, finally, debsums |
| 09:23.57 | BUMBACL0T | is vfat = fat ? |
| 09:24.04 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:24.08 | BUMBACL0T | or vfat == fat16/32 |
| 09:24.09 | BUMBACL0T | oh |
| 09:24.46 | simonrvn | !fat |
| 09:24.46 | wols_ | fat32 you could say |
| 09:24.49 | xingu | I noticed that straight up, because I've got a habit going back decades of branding issue/issue.net with an fbi-esque warning. |
| 09:25.11 | xingu | and when the base-files maintainer chooses to offer me a new one, I diff, and usually decline the honour |
| 09:25.39 | liable | such as? |
| 09:25.51 | simonrvn | i mod one of my machine's issue/issue.net, but haven't logged in on console on that box in about a month, just remotely |
| 09:26.16 | xingu | liable: authorized access only/ use subject to monitoring/ don't agree, there's the door. |
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| 09:26.57 | liable | heh |
| 09:27.05 | simonrvn | could add, IP logged |
| 09:27.08 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:27.29 | xingu | falls under monitoring, but yeah. |
| 09:27.43 | simonrvn | it is anyway, from last, who, etc. true enough |
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| 09:28.27 | BUMBACL0T | im wondering which one should i use because i have a 4GB jump drive, and i usually use it for both windows and linux |
| 09:28.33 | BUMBACL0T | so which one should i use? |
| 09:28.45 | xingu | ... netfilter, ipt_ULOG, centralised syslog server... |
| 09:28.56 | BUMBACL0T | the current FS is fat32, but it was FAT |
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| 09:29.03 | liable | fat32 |
| 09:29.09 | simonrvn | seconded |
| 09:29.15 | liable | i think a lot originally come with fat16 |
| 09:29.37 | simonrvn | they both write fine to it |
| 09:29.40 | BUMBACL0T | liable, im gettin write/read failed with fat32 though |
| 09:29.46 | xingu | jffs2, and tell windows where to go |
| 09:29.56 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 09:30.04 | simonrvn | its own hell? :) |
| 09:30.11 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: you could also format it ext2, and use explore2fs on windows |
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| 09:30.31 | BUMBACL0T | Vasistha, i need something plug-and-play |
| 09:30.34 | liable | but that becomes a pain if you take it to another box |
| 09:30.43 | BUMBACL0T | word ^ |
| 09:30.46 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: that is to say, you want to use it on *any* windows machine? |
| 09:31.09 | Vasistha | hehe, make a small fat partition with explore2fs on it and partition the rest ext2 ;-) |
| 09:31.24 | xingu | at least if you gave it a classic ufs, most sane systems would be able to mount it |
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| 09:32.31 | liable | sandpaper eyes, been staring at screen to long.. |
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| 09:33.05 | simonrvn | ah ha! just figured out another use for k-y |
| 09:33.18 | simonrvn | :P |
| 09:33.19 | liable | oh dear |
| 09:33.23 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 09:33.27 | liable | i am not sure i want to know |
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| 09:33.33 | vals_ | I do want to know |
| 09:33.36 | vals_ | simonrvn, what's that? :D |
| 09:33.41 | simonrvn | get your minds out of the gutter |
| 09:33.50 | simonrvn | for sandpaper eyes |
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| 09:34.14 | simonrvn | (not to be taken seriously ;) |
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| 09:34.38 | xingu | some of our datacenters have industrial grade dehumidifiers in them |
| 09:34.41 | oiaohm | If I could work out how to install windows on something other than NTFS or FAT I would |
| 09:34.51 | xingu | you don't notice for the first 10-15 minutes |
| 09:35.00 | xingu | but spend a half day in there... hoo boy. |
| 09:35.15 | simonrvn | then you realsie you're half-dead from dehydration... |
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| 09:35.41 | oiaohm | What a cold desert on your hands. |
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| 09:35.57 | xingu | maybe if you covered yourself in k-y first to prevent evaporation |
| 09:36.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:36.12 | kuba | merry christmas |
| 09:36.16 | simonrvn | vaseline would work better |
| 09:36.23 | kuba | wesołych świąt |
| 09:36.37 | xingu | I think that's what rock climbers use isn't it? |
| 09:37.02 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 09:37.31 | xingu | I must say the units do work though, if you get soaked on your way to work you can always strip off and hang your kit up for a half hour or so |
| 09:37.42 | kuba | i've got a question: `lsmod` shows me the list of compiled modules, am i right? |
| 09:37.42 | xingu | dry as a bone |
| 09:37.51 | simonrvn | i bet ;) |
| 09:37.56 | xingu | s/compiled/loaded/ |
| 09:38.00 | liable | kuba: loaded modules |
| 09:38.08 | simonrvn | loaded into kernel memory |
| 09:38.18 | liable | kuba: modprobe -l will show available |
| 09:38.39 | kuba | liable : so also which are not in use? |
| 09:38.46 | liable | yes |
| 09:38.54 | kuba | thanks |
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| 09:39.05 | liable | np |
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| 09:39.53 | kuba | liable : mówisz po polsku? |
| 09:39.59 | liable | nope |
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| 09:40.02 | mots | if i have written a little program which consists of a *.py and a .png-icon, whats the easiest way to get a *.deb? |
| 09:40.08 | liable | !po |
| 09:40.09 | dpkg | somebody said po was Piss Off or Post Office |
| 09:40.14 | liable | bah |
| 09:40.17 | liable | !.po |
| 09:40.17 | dpkg | i heard .po is Portugal |
| 09:40.23 | liable | !.pl |
| 09:40.23 | dpkg | somebody said .pl was Poland (or a perl extension), or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 09:40.31 | hark | heh |
| 09:40.32 | pingouin | ah ah |
| 09:40.37 | liable | got it eventually :) |
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| 09:41.41 | BUMBACL0T | windows don't read ext* right |
| 09:41.46 | xingu | liable: usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab |
| 09:41.51 | wols_ | mots: look how other dbs for python programs are set up. copy one of them and change its debian/ folder for your needs |
| 09:42.05 | hark | BUMBACL0T: not by default |
| 09:42.08 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: not by default. there is explore2fs and a ext2 driver |
| 09:42.13 | liable | xingu: i actually know it, but have brain farts often |
| 09:42.28 | colson | is there a way to convert files in a dir fr one type to another, en-masse? |
| 09:42.38 | BUMBACL0T | hows ext2 on windows? |
| 09:42.57 | hark | tias |
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| 09:43.18 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 09:43.41 | wols_ | colson: what "type"? |
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| 09:45.59 | CaspeR-Bz | who can help me to install C-media 9761 on debian ? :D it`s work but 2.0 .. not 5.1 |
| 09:46.46 | cahoot | CaspeR-Bz: already trued speaker-test? |
| 09:46.51 | cahoot | tried |
| 09:47.15 | CaspeR-Bz | well it works man .. but just 2 of them not all .. |
| 09:47.16 | kalve | anyone know how to get past the dll-errors when trying to run windows live messenger in Wine? |
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| 09:49.30 | hark | kalve: is it supposed to even work? |
| 09:49.37 | kalve | hark: "supposed to".. :p |
| 09:49.46 | hark | kalve: check the appdb at winehq.org |
| 09:49.50 | kalve | ok, thanks |
| 09:49.58 | hark | then #winehq here |
| 09:50.09 | hark | or gaim/amsn |
| 09:50.56 | vals_ | now pidgin :D |
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| 09:52.19 | hark | ah yeah.. very pidgin indeed |
| 09:52.33 | kalve | hark: I don't like gaim and amsn |
| 09:52.55 | kalve | so i thought I'd see if I could get live messenger working ;-) |
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| 09:53.54 | FuzzyB | if i want to add an options line that will get called everytime a module is probed what file would i put that in? |
| 09:53.57 | ArtVandalae | hopefully gaim^H^H pidigin development can continue now. It's really falling behind other MSN clients like aMSN and Kopete |
| 09:54.08 | liable | that messanger thing is just about impossible to remove on a windows box, i shudder to think you would want it on a debian one |
| 09:54.23 | ArtVandalae | liable, :) |
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| 09:54.31 | hark | run it in qemu! |
| 09:54.47 | slav0nic | etch release? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/ |
| 09:54.48 | nevyn | liable: unlike microsofts messenger client you can uninstall this one |
| 09:54.52 | nevyn | and the service is good |
| 09:55.05 | liable | oh, its not the microsoft one? |
| 09:55.23 | nevyn | it talks to the msn service |
| 09:55.33 | nevyn | but it's not an "official" client |
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| 09:57.13 | liable | FuzzyB: look in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 09:57.17 | FuzzyB | yea i did |
| 09:57.24 | FuzzyB | the answer is actually in the modprobe.conf man page |
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| 09:57.46 | FuzzyB | all files in /etc/modprobe.d/ get read if there is no modprobe.conf |
| 09:57.53 | FuzzyB | so basically create a blank options file and put it there |
| 09:58.20 | liable | yes, so why did you ask? :P |
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| 09:58.57 | FuzzyB | because i didn't know |
| 09:59.00 | FuzzyB | and i had already looked once |
| 09:59.33 | coulsen | got disconnected earlier on. i was asking how to convert a dir of .png files to .jpg? |
| 09:59.49 | coulsen | wols_, ? |
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| 09:59.57 | cahoot | coulsen: look at mogrify (imagemagick) |
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| 10:01.32 | coulsen | cahoot, that's not free software, is it? |
| 10:01.39 | cahoot | sure it is |
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| 10:02.18 | jaaroo | hello there. I have a set of disks and some of them were formerly part of raid array. Is it somehow possible to detect which disks were part of which raid array? |
| 10:02.27 | wols_ | coulsen: considering it's in debian main, what do you think? |
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| 10:02.32 | fasta | I installed the tracker search tool, but it uses way too much I/O that makes normal usage impossible. Is it possible to put it in a mode where it is less aggressive? |
| 10:02.37 | coulsen | cahoot, i'll take a look if gimp can handle this, since i have already installed it. |
| 10:03.03 | wols_ | fasta: do you think we're psychic? |
| 10:04.05 | fasta | wols_: I am sorry, but what part of the question don't you understand? |
| 10:04.18 | Blissex | jaaroo: depends how the RAID was setup. Some setups write a table of RAID members to each disk, some don't. |
| 10:04.39 | fasta | wols_: AFAIK, there is only one tracker search tool and "aggressive" has a unique meaning in this context. |
| 10:04.50 | nevyn | imbrandon: im |
| 10:05.13 | laser | how can i rerun the lilo installation from the install cd on my current installation? |
| 10:05.32 | nevyn | im |
| 10:05.49 | imbrandon | nevyn, yes? |
| 10:06.02 | coulsen | which instant messager is available? |
| 10:06.03 | jaaroo | Blissex: If we suppose we have the good RAID setup - how can I read the information? |
| 10:06.18 | fasta | wols_: Still think that I think you are psychic? |
| 10:06.21 | Blissex | jaaroo: depends entirely which RAID sw or hw you used. |
| 10:06.37 | coulsen | sorry, instant messenger |
| 10:06.48 | coulsen | in debian |
| 10:07.00 | Blissex | laser: there are a few FAQs/HOWTOs here., but usually you mount your root/boot partitions from a live CD and then run 'lilo -C /mountpoint' |
| 10:07.11 | wols_ | fasta: do you mean network I/O? |
| 10:07.14 | row | how can I force a package to be removed or at least debian thinks its removed if all the normal remove methods don't work? |
| 10:07.29 | wols_ | cause I have a hard time believing it saturates your harddisk interface |
| 10:07.32 | liable | laser: which installer cd you got? |
| 10:07.49 | laser | debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 10:07.55 | coulsen | debian instant messenger, anyone? |
| 10:07.58 | fasta | wols_: tracker-search-tool is something like Beagle. So, disk I/O |
| 10:08.04 | wols_ | row: how did you try (the most burtal way you tried)? |
| 10:08.30 | wols_ | fasta: maybe renice it |
| 10:08.44 | liable | laser: you need to let the install run up to the partitioning bit, then change to a shell, mount your partition, chroot, then run lilo |
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| 10:08.56 | row | dpkg --force-all -r python-uno, I tried rolling it back from snapshots etc |
| 10:09.03 | row | its just majorly broken |
| 10:09.09 | laser | liable: chroot but the question is in which directory |
| 10:09.15 | laser | i'm sure it's not just random |
| 10:09.18 | wols_ | row: what is the error you get? |
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| 10:09.31 | liable | laser: your / |
| 10:09.48 | fasta | wols_: is that also possible on a system basis? |
| 10:10.00 | wols_ | fasta: system basis? |
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| 10:10.01 | fasta | wols_: AFAIK, the tool starts as a daemon |
| 10:10.16 | wols_ | you can renice any process any time (if you are root) |
| 10:10.40 | laser | liable: ok im in the cd shell prompt. where in / shoud i mount the boot partition |
| 10:11.08 | fasta | wols_: ok, so I need a place where I can run a script once when the OS starts. |
| 10:11.22 | fasta | wols_: the rc dirs |
| 10:11.27 | fasta | wols_: thanks |
| 10:11.30 | liable | laser: you dont need to mount /boot for lilo, you need your /etc and /sbin mounted |
| 10:11.44 | liable | laser: how many partition you got? |
| 10:11.49 | laser | liable: ok. so it's the root partition then |
| 10:12.01 | laser | root, usr and var |
| 10:12.09 | laser | boot is in root |
| 10:12.44 | liable | laser: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/grub-reinstall.html s/grub/lilo/ |
| 10:13.21 | laser | i know how to install lilo but the problem is elsewhere |
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| 10:13.22 | xand | hmm etcg to release today? |
| 10:13.26 | xand | etch |
| 10:13.30 | laser | i need to run it from the debian installer |
| 10:14.14 | laser | so i must mount the system on the debian cd and restore it to a place where i can install lilo on it from the installer |
| 10:14.42 | liable | laser: what exactly is your problem? |
| 10:14.57 | liable | laser: you cant use the installer like that |
| 10:15.07 | row | wols_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5984 |
| 10:15.58 | laser | well, when i boot lilo it displays L 9A 9A 9A ... |
| 10:16.22 | rdz | hello. after having solved the problem with bootsector on my girlfriend's imac, i realized that my debian server seems to be broken. when i do 'ls', many parts of my filesystem return 'input/output' error. i cannot start apache anymore and 'reboot' as root does just nothing (not even an error-message). does that look like the hd crashed? can i check that somehow? |
| 10:17.01 | jaaroo | Blissex: standard mdadm |
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| 10:17.41 | liable | laser: this is after a fresh install? |
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| 10:18.15 | laser | liable: no. after laser's interference |
| 10:18.17 | Blissex | jaaroo: then perhaps you should be able to rebuild the RAID by running the MD scan utility, I think the procedure is described in the RAID HOWTO and several tutorials. |
| 10:18.36 | liable | laser: heh, what do you mean? what did you do? |
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| 10:21.06 | laser | liable: i deleted lilo.conf by deciding to go with grub. my bad... |
| 10:21.08 | rdz | vi gives me also very strange errors: Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vimrc: |
| 10:21.08 | rdz | line 58: |
| 10:21.08 | rdz | E483: Can't get temp file name |
| 10:21.08 | rdz | Hit ENTER or type command to continue |
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| 10:21.30 | laser | i decided to have a /boot under lvm |
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| 10:21.33 | laser | that's the case |
| 10:21.45 | rdz | oops...sorry, i didn't meant to flood the channel |
| 10:21.49 | liable | laser: grub doesnt do lvm with /boot |
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| 10:22.06 | liable | laser: have you got a new lilo.conf yet? |
| 10:22.08 | laser | i know. that's why i want to configure lilo |
| 10:22.11 | laser | yes |
| 10:22.16 | laser | want to see it? |
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| 10:22.57 | liable | laser: not particularly,and i have no lvm experience anyway |
| 10:23.24 | Kisho | hi all |
| 10:23.30 | laser | the debian installer installed a good lilo so i wanted to reinstall from there |
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| 10:24.04 | liable | laser: but, if its correct, just follow that guide i gave, then after chrooting, run liloconfig |
| 10:24.06 | Kisho | http://www.phcn.ws |
| 10:24.29 | laser | i already did chroot |
| 10:24.30 | xand | spam |
| 10:24.34 | laser | even b4 i asked |
| 10:24.34 | laser | :) |
| 10:25.02 | laser | that's the thing i was looking for |
| 10:25.05 | laser | the liloconfig command |
| 10:25.11 | liable | laser: ok, move your lilo.conf, and run liloconf |
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| 10:25.24 | laser | liable: thanks allot |
| 10:25.33 | laser | happy easter |
| 10:25.40 | laser | to everyone |
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| 10:27.19 | NatNiet | Hi all ... also happy easter .... I need some help with ssh |
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| 10:29.13 | NatNiet | I try to set up ssh to a new server with ssh-copy-id -i ... but the other machine comes back with a warning and does not alow this ? |
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| 10:30.11 | liable | what does that do? |
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| 10:30.32 | NatNiet | that will export the RSA key to the other machine |
| 10:30.39 | NatNiet | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
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| 10:31.23 | schoppenhauer | hello. i have a kernel-module named "ra61.ko". to load it, i have to run /sbin/insmod ra61.ko. How can i achieve, that i can just "modprobe ra61" it, and put it into /etc/modules, so it is loaded at system-start? (i.e. where does modprobe search for modules?) |
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| 10:31.49 | liable | NatNiet: why not just scp them in after logging in with password? |
| 10:32.03 | rambo3 | schoppenhauer, man update-rc.d |
| 10:32.11 | liable | huh? |
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| 10:32.33 | liable | schoppenhauer: /etc/modules you cant modprobe it?? |
| 10:33.13 | schoppenhauer | rambo3: no. i dont want to write an initscript. |
| 10:33.46 | schoppenhauer | liable: i know about /etc/modules. but i cannot modprobe it. it is a module i compiled myself. where do i need to put it, so modprobe finds it? |
| 10:34.08 | NatNiet | liable: I will give it a try but i'm not shore what ssh-copy-id -i does on the other machine .. but thx |
| 10:34.26 | liable | schoppenhauer: any sane module make script should stick it in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 10:34.36 | rambo3 | schoppenhauer, insmod ? |
| 10:35.06 | liable | schoppenhauer: the first directory of that dir should do. or you can stick it in /misc |
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| 10:36.33 | schoppenhauer | liable: what is /misc ? |
| 10:37.17 | rambo3 | schoppenhauer, sudo cp rt61.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/. |
| 10:37.51 | schoppenhauer | rambo3: thanks. |
| 10:38.58 | rambo3 | i think there is README file there in driver package that describes it |
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| 10:40.48 | cusco | happu easter! |
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| 10:44.24 | RvGaTe | Where can i find the files in my trash? using the console |
| 10:44.40 | RvGaTe | *terminal |
| 10:44.41 | rambo3 | dumpster ? |
| 10:44.53 | liable | ~/.Trash |
| 10:45.30 | RvGaTe | liable, well, thats what i thought, but the files in .Trash, do not match the files inside the Trash i have on my desktop |
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| 10:46.18 | RvGaTe | liable, the problem is, i cant empty my own trashbin, so i thought, login as root and do that instead |
| 10:46.42 | liable | RvGaTe: hrm, nor mine. |
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| 10:47.06 | RvGaTe | liable, has to be stored somewhere... right ? |
| 10:47.06 | Insolit | hi all |
| 10:47.40 | Insolit | does device.map in grub decides what disks will be seen in the OS? |
| 10:47.54 | liable | RvGaTe: yes |
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| 10:49.17 | RvGaTe | liable, doing a search now... |
| 10:50.20 | Insolit | is it possible that a USB drive gets in conflict with a SATA device? |
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| 10:50.50 | Insolit | i'm not being able to use the SATA device, when booting into a system in the USB drive |
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| 10:51.19 | liable | Insolit: its kinda like an alias file |
| 10:51.33 | liable | for grub |
| 10:51.36 | Insolit | but the aliases don't seem to work properly |
| 10:51.37 | RvGaTe | liable, ~/.local/share/Trash :) found it |
| 10:51.45 | RvGaTe | ls |
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| 10:52.09 | liable | RvGaTe: not mine.. |
| 10:52.22 | RvGaTe | liable, could be an XFCE thingy.. |
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| 10:54.20 | liable | time for the pub |
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| 11:04.23 | CaspeR-Bz | anyone knows how to configure alsa .. ? |
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| 11:05.44 | fasta | !tell CaspeR-Bz about alsa |
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| 11:07.13 | Insolit | can someone tell me what decides which drive is sda or sdb or hda? |
| 11:07.19 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.21 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.33 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.37 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:07.43 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.45 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.47 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.49 | Insolit | someone kick this guy! |
| 11:07.49 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.52 | rambo3 | !ops |
| 11:07.52 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 11:07.53 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:07.56 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.00 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.02 | xand | !ops yO spam |
| 11:08.03 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.03 | rambo3 | !ops spammer yO |
| 11:08.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: yO spam |
| 11:08.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rambo3 complains about: spammer yO |
| 11:08.04 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.04 | simonrvn | yO: get a fucking life |
| 11:08.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.08 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.10 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.20 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.29 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.30 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:08.37 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.37 | simonrvn | amazing what /ignore does |
| 11:08.38 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:08.48 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.49 | ale1 | how do i completely remove an app ? |
| 11:08.51 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.52 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.56 | simonrvn | --purge |
| 11:08.56 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:08.59 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.01 | itchi | oh no |
| 11:09.02 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.06 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.10 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.12 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.16 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.20 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.22 | itchi | !ops y0 need a kick |
| 11:09.22 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: itchi complains about: y0 need a kick |
| 11:09.24 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.25 | ale1 | /ignore yO |
| 11:09.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.35 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.41 | itchi | oh, someone already did it, i'm sorry :-s |
| 11:09.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.47 | simonrvn | ale1: need a better client ;) |
| 11:09.47 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.49 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.55 | ale1 | i notics |
| 11:09.56 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:09.58 | ale1 | noticed |
| 11:09.58 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:10.00 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:10.02 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.07 | ale1 | done |
| 11:10.09 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.10 | ale1 | ;) |
| 11:10.11 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.11 | simonrvn | :) |
| 11:10.14 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.15 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.21 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.25 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.31 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.34 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.37 | schoppenhauer | rambo3: this doesnt work. |
| 11:10.37 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.40 | itchi | yO: Heh, do you not see the mess you do? Or are you a stupid bot? |
| 11:10.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.45 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:10.47 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.50 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:10.51 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:11.00 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.01 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.03 | schoppenhauer | yay... /ignore yO really works... |
| 11:11.03 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.04 | ErenTurkay | \o/ |
| 11:11.05 | Insolit | why is this guy only spamming this channel |
| 11:11.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.07 | *** join/#debian graphys (n=inanc@unaffiliated/graphys) |
| 11:11.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.10 | Insolit | from all the ones he is using |
| 11:11.11 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.19 | ale1 | so apt-get --purge ? |
| 11:11.19 | schoppenhauer | why isnt anybody kicking him? |
| 11:11.19 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.21 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.22 | itchi | Insolit: Yet Another Stupid Bot :-( |
| 11:11.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.25 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.26 | rambo3 | schoppenhauer, depmod ? |
| 11:11.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.31 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.33 | schoppenhauer | rambo3: depmod -a? |
| 11:11.34 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.35 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.36 | vin` | !ops yO |
| 11:11.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vin` complains about: yO |
| 11:11.37 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.38 | *** join/#debian Ganneff (i=joerg@freenode/staff/debian.ganneff) |
| 11:11.39 | simonrvn | ale1: dpkg -P package_name, apt-get --purge remove package_name |
| 11:11.39 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.43 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.47 | *** part/#debian ErenTurkay (n=Eren@unaffiliated/erenturkay) |
| 11:11.47 | Insolit | itchi: i know but he is also in other channels and spamming them |
| 11:11.48 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.48 | rambo3 | schoppenhauer,just depmod |
| 11:11.49 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.53 | schoppenhauer | rambo3: ok. |
| 11:11.54 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:11.56 | itchi | vin`: heh, we gona hurt the ops :-) nah /ignore him ;-) |
| 11:11.57 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.02 | Insolit | kind of incredible there's no one to kick this user |
| 11:12.03 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.06 | simonrvn | Insolit: because he's a tard |
| 11:12.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.11 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.19 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.22 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.25 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.26 | itchi | I dunno if someone already talked to a Freenode stagger |
| 11:12.27 | rambo3 | schoppenhauer, now modprobe rt61 |
| 11:12.28 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:12.29 | schoppenhauer | but /ignore yO really worked ^^ how practical |
| 11:12.29 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.04 | Deybiyan | y0 lost ur brain with a car accident,? |
| 11:13.04 | itchi | oeps, staffer |
| 11:13.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.05 | vin` | Ganneff: can you ban him? |
| 11:13.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.05 | streuner | vin`: no |
| 11:13.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.06 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.06 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.06 | streuner | vin`: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 11:13.06 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.06 | simonrvn | no chanops around |
| 11:13.06 | reto_ | anyoing |
| 11:13.06 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.06 | netman1 | !ops |
| 11:13.06 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 11:13.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.07 | FuzzyB | and i figured one of you was a net op |
| 11:13.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.13 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.24 | itchi | vin`: Do /ignore yO |
| 11:13.26 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.28 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.30 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.32 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.34 | netman1 | dpkg: ops We have a flooder yO |
| 11:13.34 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: netman1 complains about: We have a flooder yO |
| 11:13.35 | Insolit | that does not work for me |
| 11:13.36 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.43 | Deybiyan | FUQ irc.AmazighChat.org! |
| 11:13.44 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:13.49 | simonrvn | get a better client then |
| 11:13.50 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.00 | itchi | !irssi |
| 11:14.00 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 11:14.02 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.05 | HardDisk_WP | !admin yO spams |
| 11:14.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.06 | itchi | Let me spamm a bit :-p |
| 11:14.06 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.08 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.11 | simonrvn | and please don't repaste the stupid spam... |
| 11:14.12 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.15 | HardDisk_WP | !op yO spams |
| 11:14.16 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.21 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.25 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.26 | itchi | irssi realy rules ! :-) |
| 11:14.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.37 | HardDisk_WP | !ops yO spams |
| 11:14.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: harddisk_wp complains about: yO spams |
| 11:14.37 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.40 | HardDisk_WP | !admins yO spams |
| 11:14.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.43 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.44 | itchi | Let's spam for some true nice beautifull thingy, irssi!!! |
| 11:14.45 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.46 | itchi | :-p |
| 11:14.47 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.52 | schoppenhauer | rambo3: thank you. it works. |
| 11:14.53 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:14.54 | Coweater | Deybiyan: that's probably the goal, nobody spams in order to actually promote something, they want to fuck that irc server over |
| 11:14.55 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.09 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.13 | Insolit | lol |
| 11:15.15 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.19 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.19 | Insolit | what a lame channel :P |
| 11:15.19 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.22 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 11:15.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.28 | Deybiyan | Coweater: the guy just pissed me off, ignored the mofo |
| 11:15.29 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.32 | itchi | heh |
| 11:15.33 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.40 | *** part/#debian slav0nic (n=sl@bsd.xss.ru) |
| 11:15.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.43 | Thms | -_-* |
| 11:15.44 | simonrvn | you screwed with my loldude |
| 11:15.45 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.47 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.49 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.51 | oiaohm | We have a stuffed boot on our hands |
| 11:15.53 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:15.56 | Leweracja | ehkm |
| 11:15.57 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.07 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.07 | oiaohm | Correction bot |
| 11:16.08 | netman1 | It has probably been asked before, but the etch dvd torrents are available. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd Is it official? |
| 11:16.09 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.09 | vin` | simonrvn: he has a lung'un |
| 11:16.11 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.13 | Deybiyan | I'm gonna spam his PM for fun |
| 11:16.15 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.21 | simonrvn | vin`: hehe |
| 11:16.21 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.27 | shay | .. |
| 11:16.27 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.29 | Leweracja | hmm can someone ban yO ? :> |
| 11:16.31 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.31 | shay | !ops yO is trolling |
| 11:16.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: shay complains about: yO is trolling |
| 11:16.33 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.39 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.39 | simonrvn | Leweracja: /ignore yO |
| 11:16.41 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.43 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.47 | yO | Deybiyan : how stupide ! I can ignore you pffff |
| 11:16.49 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.50 | enouf | !ops yO is spamming |
| 11:16.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: yO is spamming |
| 11:16.51 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.53 | yO | Deybiyan : how stupide ! I can ignore you pffff |
| 11:16.55 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:16.55 | itchi | Yeah, the ops gona be are happy, and that on a sunday! |
| 11:16.58 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 11:16.59 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.00 | Leweracja | simonrvn: thx :* |
| 11:17.01 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.03 | schoppenhauer | dumb bots. |
| 11:17.05 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.07 | yO | already done |
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| 11:17.10 | enouf | !tardsday |
| 11:17.10 | dpkg | hmm... tardsday is sunday |
| 11:17.11 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.17 | simonrvn | /ignore yO |
| 11:17.19 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.22 | xand | wow, it said something else |
| 11:17.23 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.28 | itchi | yeah |
| 11:17.29 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.32 | rambo3 | doesn work in xchat : . /ignore yO ALL |
| 11:17.33 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
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| 11:17.35 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.38 | itchi | yO: Heh stupid guy, remove that crap! |
| 11:17.39 | yO | Welcome to our server ! /server irc.AmazighChat.org |
| 11:17.47 | xand | BearPerson have you come to save the day? :) |
| 11:17.52 | xand | yay |
| 11:17.59 | itchi | wtf |
| 11:18.02 | BearPerson | there are weird people in this world |
| 11:18.03 | imbrandon | thanks BearPerson |
| 11:18.08 | enouf | My favorite BearPerson |
| 11:18.12 | simonrvn | w00t staff :) |
| 11:18.15 | HardDisk_WP | thanks @ the kliner |
| 11:18.18 | oiaohm | Thanks BearPerson |
| 11:18.18 | itchi | Arg, i had need to tell that stupid guy in french |
| 11:18.21 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 11:18.47 | simonrvn | thank you BearPerson |
| 11:18.55 | netman1 | It has been asked before, but the etch dvd torrents are available. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd Is it official? Is etch stable? |
| 11:19.22 | simonrvn | netman1: i heard earlier etch is close, and there's some r0 stuff |
| 11:19.29 | ribasushi | I have been all over google, but I can't seem to find the answer - what is the state of opengl2 on debian? |
| 11:19.29 | Coweater | netman1: no, it'll go up on the main page when it's stable |
| 11:19.37 | ribasushi | is there intend to package it? |
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| 11:19.46 | ribasushi | *intent |
| 11:19.51 | Insolit | can someone explain me what maps a disk to sda or sdab or hda? |
| 11:19.54 | vin` | netman1: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyEtch |
| 11:19.59 | *** part/#debian graphys (n=inanc@unaffiliated/graphys) |
| 11:20.07 | simonrvn | ribasushi: i guess when the maintainer for 1.x hears about it? :) |
| 11:20.13 | streuner | netman1: don't seed or download now, please wait till etch is finally released... |
| 11:20.20 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a program which can design me cover for CD-ROM cartridges? |
| 11:20.38 | HardDisk_WP | nero in windows had such a program, but not nero for linux :( |
| 11:20.49 | rambo3 | i am guessing udev |
| 11:21.05 | *** part/#debian schoppenhauer (n=anonymou@p5494EB59.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:21.07 | xand | slashdot reckons etch will release today |
| 11:21.13 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: there's def choices in an apt-cache search |
| 11:21.29 | simonrvn | this *is* slashdot you're talking about ... |
| 11:21.36 | xand | :) |
| 11:21.42 | itchi | I want to centralize all the users an groups priviledges on a server, all clients need to be ask these permissions to that server, is that been that 'LDAP' stuff? |
| 11:22.06 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 11:22.30 | itchi | simonrvn: Yes to me? |
| 11:22.34 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 11:22.40 | Deybiyan | yes |
| 11:22.40 | itchi | simonrvn: heh :-p |
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| 11:22.47 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: this apt-cache search cd | grep label shows atleast 2 .. there's likely others that also do other things, like OO.o or somesuch |
| 11:23.24 | itchi | The http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP is not (yet) clear to me :-s |
| 11:23.31 | simonrvn | #ldap |
| 11:23.38 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok thankws |
| 11:23.46 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: CD "cartridges" is likely better termed "jewel cases" |
| 11:23.52 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, skolelinux has some nice preconfigured ldap |
| 11:23.52 | redduck666 | itchi: you could consider using relational database as an alternative to ldap. |
| 11:23.58 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 11:24.13 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Nah, Debian please! :-p |
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| 11:24.23 | simonrvn | you need something that does fast reads, not slow ones |
| 11:24.25 | itchi | redduck666: I dunno :-) |
| 11:24.29 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, skolelinux==debian |
| 11:24.37 | simonrvn | HardDisk_WP: *bzzt* |
| 11:24.48 | HardDisk_WP | !skolelinux? |
| 11:24.48 | dpkg | http://www.skolelinux.no/ | A derivative of debian for Norwegian schools. | Not supported here. | Ask me about <based on debian> |
| 11:25.07 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: You see ;-) |
| 11:25.17 | HardDisk_WP | :p |
| 11:25.18 | redduck666 | simonrvn: mysql can be pretty fast at reading |
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| 11:25.38 | itchi | simonrvn: Mean you that it should be not in captial too? |
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| 11:25.50 | xerophyte | In vim, if i open multiple files how can i get list of open files ? |
| 11:25.54 | simonrvn | redduck666: tell that to someone who has over 1 million + entries with varying kinds of data |
| 11:25.56 | itchi | simonrvn: Appart of that #ldap channel |
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| 11:26.16 | simonrvn | itchi: no, the channel on this server |
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| 11:26.25 | redduck666 | simonrvn: with that much data i would pick pgsql ovver mysql |
| 11:26.34 | nevyn | imbrandon: sorry.. |
| 11:27.01 | simonrvn | i'll stick with my OL TYVM |
| 11:27.02 | itchi | simonrvn: Ok, thanks ;-) |
| 11:27.07 | nevyn | lost terminal I was talking about im and hit tab but lost the window ;) |
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| 11:27.36 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 11:29.13 | redduck666 | simonrvn: out of curiosity, if you were deploying a centralized managment system today, would you still picl OL? if so why? |
| 11:29.32 | simonrvn | yes, because it's damned fast and does the job |
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| 11:30.52 | redduck666 | simonrvn: even for small setups? |
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| 11:31.04 | simonrvn | i run a small one here |
| 11:31.14 | redduck666 | simonrvn: how do you define small? |
| 11:31.42 | simonrvn | if it's really small, you can sync the file based stuff... but that quickly gets annoying |
| 11:32.02 | simonrvn | oh probably less than 100K entries |
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| 11:32.54 | anapivirtua | Bonjour tout le monde / Hello world. |
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| 11:38.45 | xand | sexy is he |
| 11:39.16 | Dave_is_sexy | Can anyone help me with using the comp.linux.debain.user group through Gmane. Is it browse only? |
| 11:39.36 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: lol |
| 11:39.50 | xand | well you might need to spell it properly ;P |
| 11:40.00 | simonrvn | that would help |
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| 11:40.03 | xand | I suspect it's a moderated group |
| 11:40.06 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 11:40.08 | Chameleon22 | hi all |
| 11:40.09 | Dave_is_sexy | yes aside from that ;-) |
| 11:40.26 | Dave_is_sexy | I can browse fine, but want to be posting :) |
| 11:40.27 | sysdef | dave is too sexy for his nick |
| 11:40.30 | simonrvn | all: you here today? |
| 11:40.37 | Chameleon22 | can somebody point me to a URL with packages that are going to be included in Etch? |
| 11:40.47 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: did you try? |
| 11:41.02 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: yes of cousre |
| 11:41.09 | simonrvn | Chameleon22: pretty much what's there now |
| 11:41.15 | xand | did you wait a few hours for it to be moderated? |
| 11:41.22 | simonrvn | base is locked down already i bet |
| 11:41.36 | Chameleon22 | simonrvn, i dont know what's there now :( |
| 11:41.38 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: and I refresh 10 minutes later... oh. a few hours?? |
| 11:41.44 | xand | probably |
| 11:41.49 | xand | possibly a little longer |
| 11:41.53 | sysdef | WOOT! http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/20070408-etch-release/release.txt |
| 11:41.59 | simonrvn | Chameleon22: 15K+ packages ;) |
| 11:42.03 | xand | they have to be manually moderated |
| 11:42.06 | Dave_is_sexy | ah. that's an answer then. lol. cheers. |
| 11:42.13 | FuzzyB | oh hell yes |
| 11:42.16 | Chameleon22 | simonrvn, well i know that, just want to check some specifics |
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| 11:42.58 | Dave_is_sexy | I might ask here then, since I was hoping to start this project today... |
| 11:43.05 | FuzzyB | is there anything special i have to do to my etch box to move it from etch testing to etch stable? |
| 11:43.18 | xand | FuzzyB: make sure it says "etch" and not "testing" in your sources.list |
| 11:43.21 | FuzzyB | kk |
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| 11:43.50 | simonrvn | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for ver |
| 11:43.59 | Lamperi_ | <_> |
| 11:44.04 | FuzzyB | could someone look in their sources.list and tell me the deb link for the security updates? |
| 11:44.14 | FuzzyB | please |
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| 11:44.44 | xand | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 11:44.49 | FuzzyB | thank you |
| 11:44.53 | Dave_is_sexy | I've been determined to run debain for an age, but always have driver problems that I don't have with ubuntu. since they're practicaly the same, can add the ubutu repositories and expect everything to work? |
| 11:45.11 | Dave_is_sexy | ....during the instalation process |
| 11:45.14 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: well, hopefully new debian will be released today, with new kernel, and it should work :P |
| 11:45.25 | Dave_is_sexy | oh wow. fate. lol |
| 11:45.32 | xand | but no, adding ubuntu sources to debian will break |
| 11:45.48 | Dave_is_sexy | oh. they don't use debian common core? |
| 11:45.57 | xand | they're modified |
| 11:46.21 | Dave_is_sexy | thought they might be. completely counter productive to the cause. |
| 11:47.27 | ArtVandalae | I've: aptitude install wordpress - The installed files are in /usr/bin/wordpress... when they should be in /var/www. I could just copy them across, but I'm sure the debian developers had their reasons. Does anyone have any more information on this? |
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| 11:48.15 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: I suggest trying etch |
| 11:48.18 | xingu | simonrvn: so only another 21mo until there's a 2.6.20.x kernel backport? |
| 11:48.32 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 11:49.08 | FuzzyB | wow did kernel.org just grind to a halt |
| 11:49.15 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: thanks i shall do. very exciting. I'll just sit here and watch debian.org until it is released later on :) |
| 11:49.21 | Dave_is_sexy | ;) |
| 11:49.26 | Coweater | ArtVandalae: they include a debian readme and example configs, look in /usr/share/doc/wordpress |
| 11:49.39 | ArtVandalae | Coweater, thanks |
| 11:51.44 | xingu | hmm, that's annoying, no lmbench package |
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| 11:54.28 | Balrok | hola |
| 11:54.38 | Balrok | hello |
| 11:54.44 | FuzzyB | . |
| 11:54.55 | Balrok | have someone problems with logout in debian? |
| 11:55.07 | liable | such as ? |
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| 11:55.37 | Osax | Hi |
| 11:55.42 | Balrok | when i click on "logout" gnome frezees |
| 11:55.53 | Balrok | and i have to restart de X |
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| 11:56.09 | FuzzyB | X is supposed to restart when you logout |
| 11:56.11 | Balrok | i have debian etch last release |
| 11:56.40 | Balrok | not exactly fuzzyb |
| 11:57.05 | Balrok | when i do logout gnome must get back to gdm select screen |
| 11:57.16 | Balrok | not? |
| 11:57.20 | FuzzyB | after X restarts |
| 11:57.34 | liable | Balrok: it shouldnt freeze, no. |
| 11:57.42 | FuzzyB | no it shouldn't freeze |
| 11:57.50 | Osax | any one gets this error: "can't create mcop directory" when trying to run totem or xine when using alsa? |
| 11:58.59 | Balrok | when i install debian, first time logout works fine |
| 12:00.03 | Balrok | but after reboot gnome freezes when i do a restart or logout |
| 12:00.11 | Balrok | is this a known problem? |
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| 12:04.19 | bytejumper | hi, Can somebody help me to generate x509 certificates for racoon ? |
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| 12:05.11 | Osax | i guess i'll just send a bug report |
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| 12:08.12 | Adam_G | Hi all. My "rm" and "chmod" commands, and possibly others I haven't noticed yet, are segfaulting... |
| 12:08.30 | Adam_G | and "apt-get install --reinstall coreutils" fails _because_ of that segfaulting. |
| 12:08.44 | Adam_G | Is there some way I can get those fixed? |
| 12:08.51 | man_in_shack | reinstall? |
| 12:09.23 | Adam_G | OK... any way short of that? |
| 12:09.23 | man_in_shack | boot up off an install cd and somehow reinstall just coreutils and appropriate libraries? |
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| 12:10.07 | man_in_shack | no idea |
| 12:10.12 | man_in_shack | your system is fried |
| 12:10.15 | man_in_shack | in a word |
| 12:10.24 | man_in_shack | anyone here use sshfs? |
| 12:10.26 | Adam_G | Oh. :( |
| 12:10.44 | liable | if they are suddenly segfaulting, then you have bad mem, or been hax0red or something else horrible. |
| 12:11.13 | man_in_shack | yeah, memtest86 might help |
| 12:11.16 | liable | run memtest for starters |
| 12:11.16 | Adam_G | Entirely possible that it's memory, it's about 6 years old now |
| 12:11.25 | man_in_shack | you could try running a livecd |
| 12:11.39 | man_in_shack | if you get similar problems, then you know it's not (just) the installed system ... |
| 12:11.56 | Adam_G | LiveCD's ran fine as of a month ago, I"ll give them another shot now |
| 12:12.15 | liable | Adam_G: run memtest overnight |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | livecds don't stress the disk/conttrollers |
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| 12:12.33 | abrotman | erm .. part of the controller it does |
| 12:13.57 | mnvl | how do i locate the pre-removal script associated with an installed package? |
| 12:13.59 | phogg | last time I ran into a problem like that... it was a faulty motherboard |
| 12:14.01 | Adam_G | Could compiling coreutils be practical? |
| 12:14.07 | liable | no |
| 12:14.53 | phogg | mnvl: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package*prerm |
| 12:15.07 | mnvl | i've just installed it man_in_shack, why? |
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| 12:17.02 | abrotman | Adam_G: there are other apps inside debian ... one time i had a crashy system .. ran cpuburn on it .. system never booted again :) |
| 12:17.22 | liable | sounds like fun ;) |
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| 12:21.58 | Adam_G | Well, memtest it is for now, then. Kinda hope I've been hacked; at least that can be fixed :X |
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| 12:23.43 | fqh | Anyone knows where I can get the source of "lsmod"? |
| 12:24.32 | abrotman | apt-get source ? |
| 12:24.44 | abrotman | !source |
| 12:24.45 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 12:25.09 | fqh | !source |
| 12:25.09 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 12:28.01 | CaT[tm] | woo. etch is out.:) |
| 12:28.15 | markc | deadset ... url? |
| 12:28.15 | CaT[tm] | least I'm taking ftp.debian.org shift in links to mean etch is out :) |
| 12:28.18 | dvs | CaT[tm]: liar! |
| 12:28.24 | dvs | ;-) |
| 12:28.30 | CaT[tm] | lrwxrwxrwx 1 1176 1176 4 Apr 08 12:22 stable -> etch |
| 12:28.31 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 12:28.34 | dvs | huh? |
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| 12:29.01 | CaT[tm] | yes. the time of the apocalypse is at hand people! |
| 12:29.17 | dvs | run away! |
| 12:29.17 | markc | my cat just shat itself |
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| 12:29.41 | CaT[tm] | flee or become one with the etch-a-sketch! |
| 12:29.53 | CaT[tm] | the etch-a-sketch of DOOM! |
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| 12:30.13 | Roadrunner1985 | !ati |
| 12:30.13 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
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| 12:30.25 | liable | everyone knows if /. has the story, its true!?! |
| 12:30.45 | Fade | heh |
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| 12:31.09 | liable | but, having said that, there *are* 4.0_r0 cd's out |
| 12:31.32 | liable | s/cd's/isos/ |
| 12:31.37 | liable | ' |
| 12:31.46 | dvs | liable: and DVDs? |
| 12:31.53 | CaT[tm] | it seems the change was made 12pm GMT |
| 12:31.54 | liable | dvs: yes |
| 12:31.54 | solar_sea | !etch |
| 12:31.55 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 12:32.05 | dvs | gotta change that now |
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| 12:32.08 | dvs | and the topic |
| 12:32.09 | abrotman | is there a release mail yet? |
| 12:32.14 | liable | no |
| 12:32.33 | abrotman | then don't change it |
| 12:32.33 | dvs | abrotman: I never received on yet |
| 12:32.33 | zoghome | yeah whats the story? Is It Out? |
| 12:32.33 | liable | no news at debian.org either |
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| 12:32.34 | liable | no mirror updates either |
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| 12:32.36 | abrotman | we went through this last time with sarge .. slashdot totally jumped the gun |
| 12:32.36 | mango | hi, I am trying to setup ebox on my system, I was asked about the name server, how do I find that out |
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| 12:32.40 | mango | please |
| 12:32.48 | abrotman | ask your ISP |
| 12:32.56 | CaT[tm] | they're waiting for the mirrors to all catch up I think |
| 12:33.08 | mango | abrotman:can I find it on my router? |
| 12:33.17 | abrotman | or use your router IP |
| 12:33.28 | liable | ftp.debian.org isnt upgrading |
| 12:33.30 | mango | abrotman |
| 12:33.42 | solar_sea | mango, or use a public name server |
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| 12:34.08 | abrotman | or use Debian |
| 12:34.56 | asg | liable: /msg dpkg wwer (it has the timeline) |
| 12:35.13 | solar_sea | can I upgrade my sarge to etch now, without reinstalling ? |
| 12:35.15 | liable | asg: /. it has the real news! |
| 12:35.22 | nivanson | solar_sea, always could |
| 12:35.23 | asg | liable: so does wwer |
| 12:35.26 | abrotman | !tell solar_sea about sarge->etch |
| 12:35.35 | zoghome | http://release.debian.org/etch-timeline has lots of shorthand about stuff that I dont know about |
| 12:35.38 | liable | asg: but in all seriousness, there are 4.0_r0 iso's available... |
| 12:35.50 | zoghome | "Disable britney cronjob"? |
| 12:35.52 | solar_sea | I see, thanks :) |
| 12:35.59 | abrotman | liable: they're the first things built |
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| 12:36.03 | asg | liable: that wouldn't surprise me |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | read the timeline that steve made |
| 12:36.19 | asg | zoghome: enable britney blowjob |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | eh .. maybe not steve |
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| 12:36.47 | jahshua | hello all. |
| 12:36.51 | zoghome | asg: so thats why its been so late? |
| 12:36.52 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.00 | asg | zoghome: could be, could be |
| 12:37.16 | abrotman | solar_sea: just make sure you're pointing at etch anod not testing |
| 12:37.39 | zoghome | guess I'll just wait for an email, and stop reading slashdot |
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| 12:38.04 | abrotman | the latter is always a good idea :) |
| 12:38.14 | solar_sea | and what about all mentions of stable, shouldn't I just leave them stable and replace only sarge with etch. Etch is going to be 'stable' now, right ? |
| 12:38.28 | abrotman | and if you actually read it .. the important bit is " and preparations for the release of Debian Etch are ongoing and look good for later on the 8th." |
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| 12:38.45 | abrotman | solar_sea: show us your sources |
| 12:38.47 | abrotman | !paster |
| 12:38.48 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:38.51 | blitz\away | the site still shows some 60 critical bugs |
| 12:39.02 | liable | just leave as stable |
| 12:39.20 | jahshua | could anyone please help me out with how i might correct this error im getting ... http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=1916 |
| 12:39.26 | abrotman | liable: he can't do that |
| 12:39.43 | liable | for why? |
| 12:39.51 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
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| 12:40.05 | solar_sea | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5987 |
| 12:40.08 | abrotman | liable: because what if they have unofficial stuff installed ? |
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| 12:40.33 | abrotman | kind of like that :) |
| 12:40.57 | liable | abrotman: his bad luck? first thing you do is disable unofficial repos for the upgrade |
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| 12:41.50 | mifritscher | hi |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | solar_sea: i'd comment out the KDE repo/backports.org/debian-multimedia .. change all the rest to point to etch (change the debian-multimedia too) .. then do the the bit the bot told you (then uncomment d-multimedia) and then keep going |
| 12:42.07 | mifritscher | is there a script which updates the amavis-config t the new layout? |
| 12:42.32 | liable | yikes, i wouldnt want to be driving that box during a release upgrade |
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| 12:43.20 | abrotman | liable: ? |
| 12:43.31 | liable | yes |
| 12:43.42 | abrotman | which box ? |
| 12:43.46 | solar_sea | so I should just replace 'stable' with 'etch' after commenting these out, right ? |
| 12:43.56 | abrotman | yeah .. |
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| 12:44.37 | StarWars | abrotman hi. |
| 12:44.43 | abrotman | i bet i don't want to try to upgrade the kernel on the dns server remotely ... |
| 12:44.48 | abrotman | hi StarWars |
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| 12:44.59 | abrotman | especially on an alpha |
| 12:45.12 | liable | abrotman: the paste box. two unnoficial repos and backports, headeache to me |
| 12:45.54 | abrotman | liable: it sure will be .. but that's the price you pay i suppose |
| 12:46.19 | abrotman | liable: it'll probably remove KDE on him |
| 12:46.20 | abrotman | solar_sea: btw .. i wouldn't do that dist-upgrade from within KDE |
| 12:46.39 | abrotman | though it really sholdn't matter |
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| 12:46.39 | liable | abrotman: that would be the nice version of his future problems |
| 12:46.53 | solar_sea | init 1 then ? |
| 12:47.04 | abrotman | just logout of KDE and go to a console |
| 12:47.20 | abrotman | you've got a good number of unofficial stuff .. could cause problems for you .. but we'll see |
| 12:47.27 | lucianno | hi there |
| 12:48.02 | solar_sea | well, just the nvidia prop driver, a flash player and a firefox installed in different dirs. I guess X won't be working after the upgrade :) |
| 12:48.10 | abchirk | I have huge mpg video files here... can I make them smaller with a lower resolution and so on? |
| 12:48.28 | abrotman | is that what mencode does ? |
| 12:48.49 | liable | xvid em |
| 12:49.01 | solar_sea | abchirk, use the mencoder and specify another video codec / bitrate / resolution |
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| 12:49.20 | jahshua | anyone here running sid ? is apt broken at the moment? |
| 12:49.31 | abrotman | lots of things are broken |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | jahshua: if you /lastlog abrotman .. look at that bug i pasted |
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| 12:50.13 | jahshua | abrotman: i just connected. |
| 12:50.14 | abchirk | apt-cache doesnt find mencoder where can I get it? |
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| 12:50.23 | asg | abchirk: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:50.48 | jahshua | oh nm |
| 12:50.49 | jahshua | i got it. |
| 12:50.55 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 12:51.26 | jahshua | thanks abrotman. |
| 12:51.52 | liable | sid should get some funky breakage happening once etch is released. |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | should ? |
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| 12:52.43 | liable | packages released from exp |
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| 12:52.55 | dvs | and testing will get it's big rush of packages |
| 12:53.13 | abrotman | they don't get released from experimental |
| 12:53.22 | h3sp4wn | Has to be manual done afaik |
| 12:53.23 | liable | oh whatever |
| 12:54.26 | abchirk | thx asg |
| 12:55.27 | liable | when did the little pictures appear in bugs? |
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| 12:55.47 | abrotman | start awhile ago |
| 12:56.11 | dvs | I guess I'll have to ruin my good uptime when I install etch |
| 12:56.13 | liable | whats the point of it? |
| 12:56.33 | abrotman | god ... slashdot comments are horrible .. |
| 12:56.38 | dvs | duh |
| 12:56.49 | liable | funny really |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | i wonder if that's what #ubuntu reads like :) |
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| 12:59.18 | abrotman | oh .. i just got the email .. i think |
| 12:59.44 | dvs | yeah right ;-) |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | bah .. i can't tell |
| 13:00.18 | abrotman | on d-d-a |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | it doesn't read like a release email .. but it hasn't hit the archive yet |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/04/msg00005.html |
| 13:00.42 | abrotman | now it's there |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | but i'm not sure if that's the relese email or not |
| 13:01.09 | abrotman | i guess not |
| 13:01.12 | asg | abrotman: nah |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | i guess that would come on debian-news or whatever |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | erm .. debian-announce |
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| 13:02.05 | liable | i just got one from dda |
| 13:02.06 | asg | abrotman: probably in a mail queue |
| 13:02.26 | abrotman | being sent over a 1200bps line ? |
| 13:02.32 | dvs | ouch |
| 13:02.44 | streuner | have some patient |
| 13:02.47 | liable | You might read about now in debian-announce [1] that we have just |
| 13:02.49 | liable | released. |
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| 13:02.59 | asg | streuner: I have a nurse fetish |
| 13:03.08 | streuner | haha |
| 13:03.18 | streuner | poor asg :-) |
| 13:03.36 | abrotman | asg: HELLOOOOOOOO NURSE! |
| 13:03.41 | asg | abrotman: bingo! |
| 13:03.54 | dvs | CaT[tm]: desktops for sure! |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | if you've some spare time |
| 13:04.12 | CaT[tm] | dvs: it's more of a 'do I upgrade or do I pretend if I have a life.' :) |
| 13:04.15 | CaT[tm] | abrot: :) |
| 13:04.38 | streuner | asg: they like doctors... |
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| 13:05.12 | solemnwarning | Etch is being moved to stable? :D |
| 13:05.12 | asg | streuner: you told me to have a patient |
| 13:05.23 | dvs | solemnwarning: yes! |
| 13:05.25 | CaT[tm] | has been |
| 13:05.30 | solemnwarning | :O |
| 13:05.32 | CaT[tm] | as in it is stable |
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| 13:05.57 | CaT[tm] | I think it happened at 12pm gmt and has been propagating to mirrors since |
| 13:05.58 | streuner | asg: sure, 'patience' |
| 13:06.10 | liable | solemnwarning: hasnt hit the mirrors yet |
| 13:06.20 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 13:06.23 | asg | streuner: ;) |
| 13:06.25 | abrotman | liable: hit the mirror i just accidentally used |
| 13:06.45 | CaT[tm] | once it hits all the official mirrors, they'll prolly announce |
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| 13:06.55 | abrotman | that was the OSU mirror |
| 13:07.07 | liable | abrotman: hrm, i just tried an update on ftp.debian.org |
| 13:07.21 | abrotman | you're not supposed to use ftp.debian.org anyways |
| 13:07.26 | jonathansizz | surely they're not going to release etch with opera broken? |
| 13:07.43 | abrotman | jonathansizz: opera is broken .. not etch |
| 13:07.46 | liable | jonathansizz: since when was opera in debian? |
| 13:07.57 | BlueParrot | why do you have "unstable" , "stable" etc in sources.list btw ? I mean surely using the codename is better in virtually all situations ? |
| 13:07.58 | hark | and what about that python-central, reportbug one? |
| 13:08.17 | CaT[tm] | blue: yeah... |
| 13:08.18 | abrotman | jonathansizz: if you want .. they have a buggy beta that runs . (crashes a lot .. but runs) |
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| 13:09.21 | solemnwarning | Has etch propigated to ftp.uk.debian.org? |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | jonathansizz: http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/528-Opera-starts-segfaulting-with-new-X-updates.html |
| 13:09.49 | abrotman | solemnwarning: look and see |
| 13:09.58 | hark | oh the excitement!! |
| 13:10.28 | solemnwarning | I think it has :D |
| 13:10.46 | asg | abrotman: it would be primo if the obsd 4.1 release song came out today as well ;) |
| 13:11.12 | abrotman | asg: and then the sun goes supernova |
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| 13:11.34 | streuner | asg: nah, no songs please :-) |
| 13:11.35 | asg | abrotman: considering the cold morning, that would warm things up a bit |
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| 13:12.00 | abrotman | asg: you like the cold .. quitcherbitching |
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| 13:12.24 | asg | abrotman: I do, I don't like carting all my plants in |
| 13:12.34 | abrotman | ah |
| 13:12.38 | abrotman | your plants ? |
| 13:12.42 | abrotman | wtf are you growing? |
| 13:12.49 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 13:12.50 | vin` | weed |
| 13:12.51 | FuzzyB | shhhhhhh |
| 13:13.21 | asg | abrotman: herbs, and I have a few house trees that go out in spring/summer |
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| 13:13.52 | abrotman | lime tree?! |
| 13:14.03 | asg | abrotman: no, that's paul. |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | they have a lime tree in the greek/mexican place i eat at sometimes .. it's kind of cool looking |
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| 13:14.54 | asg | abrotman: greek/mexican? Nice combo |
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| 13:15.10 | NatNiet | Sorry a dump question but is etch and testing now the same (for a day) ? |
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| 13:15.27 | abrotman | asg: owned by greeks, worked by mexicans, called italian :) |
| 13:15.48 | vin` | NatNiet: testing is lenny |
| 13:15.53 | crm__ | that reminds me of a mint sauce i once had at an indian food place |
| 13:16.01 | abrotman | vin`: is the symlink there ? |
| 13:16.04 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 13:16.20 | crm__ | it was a creamy mint sauce |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | oh wow .. it is |
| 13:16.38 | abrotman | asg: the food is actually pretty good .. except the pizza |
| 13:16.43 | crm__ | for dipping spicy food into |
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| 13:17.26 | numan | abrotman: u there? |
| 13:17.30 | abrotman | god no |
| 13:17.32 | hark | abrotman: halp! |
| 13:18.12 | numan | abrotman: what this website for? http://www.linuxcompatible.org/CESA-20070126_Important_CentOS_4_i386_xorg_-_security_update_s84901.html |
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| 13:18.21 | abrotman | not for debian |
| 13:18.28 | abrotman | and that's all that matters in this channel |
| 13:18.36 | numan | ok |
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| 13:18.45 | numan | is it for red hat? |
| 13:18.51 | asg | numan: no, CentOS |
| 13:18.52 | abrotman | it's NOT FOR DEBIAN |
| 13:18.58 | vin` | dvs: torrent? |
| 13:19.07 | dvs | vin`: jigdo-lite |
| 13:19.23 | numan | asg: centos also dependable on linux? |
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| 13:19.38 | asg | numan: ask #centos |
| 13:19.42 | streuner | !centos |
| 13:19.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos |
| 13:20.49 | streuner | !listkeys enterprise |
| 13:20.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'enterprise' by key (2): enterprise ;; _default enterprise. |
| 13:21.09 | streuner | !enterprise |
| 13:21.09 | dpkg | from memory, enterprise is a marketing buzzword which means "big, expensive, complex, and so full of bugs that you require a support contract to keep it running" |
| 13:21.10 | numan | how to get kde along with gnome , i am using gnome now? |
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| 13:21.40 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 13:21.40 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 13:22.22 | numan | which one should i choose kde-core or kdebase? |
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| 13:22.34 | dvs | !install kde |
| 13:22.34 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html |
| 13:23.00 | abrotman | everyone happy ? |
| 13:23.19 | dvs | abrotman: I want my personal invitation! ;-) |
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| 13:23.52 | crm__ | abrotman =) |
| 13:24.01 | CaT[tm] | well just got the announce. woot |
| 13:24.02 | numan | abrotman: i want to install kde or something else |
| 13:24.06 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 13:24.06 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 13:24.07 | dvs | Just one last time: Is it out yet? |
| 13:24.12 | abrotman | YES |
| 13:24.14 | CaT[tm] | now I get to try out xfce :) |
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| 13:24.39 | numan | it says that kde is in sarge while i am using etch |
| 13:24.42 | dvs | change the topic!!!! |
| 13:24.51 | abrotman | dpkg: no wwer is IT'S OUT! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html |
| 13:24.51 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 13:25.04 | abrotman | actually ... |
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| 13:26.42 | ole | etch is out!! |
| 13:26.55 | ole | how exciting |
| 13:26.55 | wols_ | abrotman: bah: "The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1" |
| 13:27.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:27.08 | wols_ | says right so on debian.org. who are you to defy my browser? |
| 13:27.12 | wols_ | the www never lies |
| 13:27.16 | abrotman | i got the damn email |
| 13:27.19 | CaT[tm] | except when it does |
| 13:27.40 | wols_ | abrotman: I get email from george w. bush evrey day trying to sell me viagra :P |
| 13:27.53 | abrotman | wols_: he knows your needs |
| 13:27.59 | streuner | haha |
| 13:28.05 | wols_ | yes he's a very wise guy |
| 13:28.23 | NatNiet | i think i like user dpkg "kdebase' even less." ... i hoped they maked it a option in the default installer ! |
| 13:28.50 | wols_ | NatNiet: english please? |
| 13:28.55 | NatNiet | i ntry |
| 13:28.58 | NatNiet | try |
| 13:29.01 | NatNiet | sorry |
| 13:29.10 | abrotman | !nl |
| 13:29.10 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 13:29.10 | pingouin | ahah |
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| 13:29.44 | abuzor | hi |
| 13:29.53 | CaT[tm] | so... when'll lenny be released? :) |
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| 13:30.02 | kendo` | holy moly |
| 13:30.07 | asg | CaT[tm]: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 13:30.12 | numan | abrotman i also have debian gnu/linux 4.0 but only gnome no kde xfce |
| 13:30.26 | abuzor | could someone help me plz |
| 13:30.32 | abrotman | !lenny pool 1 is <reply> abrotman=2009-2-15 |
| 13:30.32 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 13:30.37 | abuzor | i cant run xorg |
| 13:30.45 | abrotman | numan: so install kde |
| 13:30.50 | asg | abrotman: that's being conservative |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | abuzor: we need more details |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | asg: it's a bit less than two years |
| 13:31.06 | abuzor | Fatal server error : could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 13:31.11 | abuzor | i searched on the net |
| 13:31.15 | abuzor | but didnt find |
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| 13:31.20 | ole | Is it safe if I dist-upgrade my stable box now? |
| 13:31.21 | abrotman | install xfonts-base |
| 13:31.24 | asg | abrotman: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 13:31.26 | asg | doh |
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| 13:31.34 | pingouin | etch is out ! |
| 13:31.36 | abuzor | it was working nice before i tryed to install beryl Oo |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | spoopin: i heard there's NASCAR on tv!!!!!! |
| 13:31.38 | pingouin | or i dream |
| 13:31.41 | dvs | pingouin: really? |
| 13:31.46 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:31.46 | abuzor | it's already installed and reinstalled :/ |
| 13:31.48 | pingouin | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released |
| 13:31.53 | spoopin | abrotman: wonderful. I can't wait to turn it on. |
| 13:31.56 | asg | abrotman: the Malaysian GP was on this morning at 2:30am |
| 13:31.56 | pingouin | on my news reader |
| 13:32.04 | spoopin | abrotman: how've you been? |
| 13:32.06 | pingouin | from debian annouce |
| 13:32.06 | abrotman | asg: sucks how that stuff is on at 4am |
| 13:32.10 | numan | this is my version Linux 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | spoopin: eh ... currently sick ... but mostly good |
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| 13:32.39 | asg | abrotman: next week's will be at 7am so that's okay |
| 13:32.41 | pingouin | and it's not in the #debian topic ?! ;) |
| 13:32.43 | abuzor | but now i have some problems with apt, because of python2.4 and python2.4-minimal |
| 13:32.46 | spoopin | abrotman: Suck. |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | pingouin: noone has changed it yet .. |
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| 13:33.22 | numan | how to get the debian version details? |
| 13:33.34 | abrotman | eh .. i forgot how much the constant "is it out yet" is actually better than the repeated 'it's out!" |
| 13:33.43 | abrotman | numan: you have etch .. what the fuck is your problem ? |
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| 13:33.48 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Are we there yet? |
| 13:34.00 | spoopin | abrotman: Yeah. Are we there yet? |
| 13:34.01 | schme | It's in! |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 13:34.10 | abrotman | abuzor: ^^^ |
| 13:34.30 | pingouin | do you think it's safe to upgrade from sarge ? (for change from X to xorg mainly ? ) |
| 13:34.33 | numan | abrotman: be cool i just want to install kde |
| 13:34.39 | abuzor | abrotman: gonna check |
| 13:34.40 | pingouin | or better to download a netinstall ? |
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| 13:35.03 | abrotman | !tell numan about install kde |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | now what is so hard about that ? |
| 13:36.08 | numan | this means that i have to install sarge to get kde? |
| 13:36.17 | rahul | abrotman: me |
| 13:36.19 | abrotman | NO |
| 13:36.20 | rahul | I mean... |
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| 13:36.30 | abrotman | numan: just install one of those packages |
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| 13:36.35 | rahul | numan: run aptitude, and install kde, ffs |
| 13:36.43 | numan | how to apt-get? |
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| 13:36.59 | numan | apt-get install kde-core? |
| 13:37.01 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.27 | rahul | numan: you know there are guides for debian newbies that you can read |
| 13:37.35 | rahul | that will teach you how to manage packages, etc. |
| 13:37.40 | timgoh0 | pngwn: I'm debating with myself if it's worth the risk for the amusement. |
| 13:37.55 | abrotman | !tell numan about grounding |
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| 13:38.22 | abrotman | gravity: topic change please |
| 13:38.22 | famir | Hi! does any one knows any good firewall ??? |
| 13:38.26 | dvs | gravity: good job! |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | oh yeah .. and thanks :) |
| 13:38.50 | rahul | famir: linux |
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| 13:39.00 | gravity | heh, the release team gets the thanks on this one. |
| 13:39.11 | rahul | release? |
| 13:39.15 | famir | rahul: haha! now really im looking for some good gui |
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| 13:39.25 | rahul | famir: sucks to be you |
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| 13:39.37 | timgoh0 | famir: Try ASDM. |
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| 13:39.43 | rahul | oh, sarge release |
| 13:39.44 | sussudio | BSDM? |
| 13:39.45 | famir | rahul: you are not to nice i see |
| 13:39.52 | dvs | rahul: sarge? |
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| 13:39.59 | liable | r6 |
| 13:40.00 | asg | !sing sussudio |
| 13:40.03 | schme | Sarge is out!? |
| 13:40.08 | rahul | famir: it's not nice to assume those kinds of things |
| 13:40.08 | dvs | schitzo: long time ago |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | r6 came out today too |
| 13:40.18 | dvs | schme: long time ago |
| 13:40.23 | timgoh0 | famir: http://tinyurl.com/2h494g |
| 13:40.28 | schme | dvs: I know. |
| 13:40.31 | famir | timgoh0: cant find it in apt-get install ASDM. |
| 13:40.41 | rahul | famir: so I guess you're the one who's not nice. I don't use the crap guis people make these days because they miss half of what is actually available. |
| 13:40.50 | timgoh0 | famir: That's not available via apt. |
| 13:40.51 | rahul | famir: and they require excessive effort to get at the half that is |
| 13:40.56 | dvs | schme: then why ask? |
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| 13:41.30 | rahul | !teach dvs about sarcasm |
| 13:41.30 | famir | rahul: what the fxxK you want ??? |
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| 13:41.48 | rahul | famir: I dunno, you're the one bitching and moaning about my response. |
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| 13:42.06 | famir | rahul: hard life or your syster isnt giving |
| 13:42.13 | abrotman | famir: knock it off |
| 13:42.27 | pingouin | someone have a torrent url to download the etch release ? links not running on debian.org |
| 13:42.51 | rahul | famir: hey, I'm not the one being bitchy. |
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| 13:43.06 | rahul | oh, right. it's sunday |
| 13:43.59 | abrotman | pingouin: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 13:43.59 | timgoh0 | pingouin: Doesn't the netinst disc work for you? |
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| 13:44.00 | pingouin | thank abrotman |
| 13:44.07 | pingouin | timgoh0: i dont tried it yet |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | you should |
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| 13:44.48 | pingouin | oh ? |
| 13:44.49 | FuzzyB | when a network card is in promiscuous mode the kernel can still pass packets in and out on that interface without a problem right? |
| 13:44.50 | pingouin | why ? |
| 13:45.01 | abrotman | it's 140MB instead of 700MB ? |
| 13:45.10 | timgoh0 | pingouin: Because it's smaller, and you probably don't want all the packages. |
| 13:45.19 | pingouin | sure.. |
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| 13:46.02 | timgoh0 | FuzzyB: I would think so, otherwise I would have stabbed the other admin running tcpdump |
| 13:46.09 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 13:46.18 | FuzzyB | i was just thinking about tcpdump |
| 13:46.55 | asg | wols_: btw, the website just updated |
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| 13:47.28 | trenka | thank you, guys! |
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| 13:48.18 | redrain | Is it true, does etch stable now? I still can't believe it... |
| 13:48.35 | wols_ | asg: ok, now it's true: etch is out ;) |
| 13:48.44 | Nemoder | yeah, and only delayed 4 months or so, that's a record for debian :D |
| 13:48.46 | asg | it's twoo, it's twoo .. 15 shintzengruben my limit baby |
| 13:48.49 | pingouin | timgoh0: by the way..url for this netinstall etch release ? please |
| 13:48.54 | wols_ | redrain: it's all a late april 1st hoax |
| 13:49.07 | redrain | wols_: :) |
| 13:49.10 | trenka | redrain: it's not stable, it's released :) |
| 13:49.20 | timgoh0 | pingouin: In the dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/ of your favourite mirror |
| 13:49.29 | timgoh0 | Err |
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| 13:49.38 | Nemoder | when does it officially become stable? |
| 13:49.43 | asg | Nemoder: it has |
| 13:50.38 | timgoh0 | pingouin: http://laotzu.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:50.39 | Nemoder | ah I see that now, trenka threw me off |
| 13:50.47 | redrain | May be this isn't the place, but thaks for all devs and comunity... |
| 13:50.50 | FuzzyB | i'm curious if that isn't the same exact thing as the daily build |
| 13:51.10 | trenka | Nemoder: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html |
| 13:51.16 | pingouin | timgoh0: good, thanks |
| 13:51.17 | liable | FuzzyB: it more than likely is |
| 13:51.18 | trenka | Nemoder: I'm just kidding :) |
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| 13:51.33 | ehjones | Is a sarge -> etch upgrade likely to break if their are packages from backports.org and debian-multimedia.org installed? |
| 13:51.37 | timgoh0 | pingouin: Or actually, hit http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:51.37 | CaT[tm] | website's been updated |
| 13:51.39 | pingouin | as the debian iso torrent seems to not work |
| 13:51.49 | ehjones | s/their/there |
| 13:51.50 | asg | ehjones: better to remove them as the upgrade guide suggests |
| 13:51.56 | CaspeR-Bz | hy again :D who can help me to configure alsa ... I tried some methods but it`s not working on 5.1 channels .. it working 2.0 |
| 13:51.57 | liable | ehjones: read the release notes |
| 13:52.04 | Nemoder | so the next testing is Lenny? |
| 13:52.11 | asg | yes |
| 13:52.19 | dvs | Nemoder: no, the CURRENT testing is lenny. ;-) |
| 13:52.25 | Nemoder | doh |
| 13:52.31 | Thms | is lenny soon ? |
| 13:52.40 | minerale | Anyone here from Atlanta -- we at LUG @ georgia tech were thinking of having a launch party |
| 13:52.40 | Nemoder | well lenny is the same as etch right now though right? |
| 13:52.41 | gravity | Hahahahaha |
| 13:52.55 | gravity | Thms: We have *no* idea when lenny will be. Hopefully faster than etch. |
| 13:53.06 | gravity | Thms: We're still euphoric that etch is out |
| 13:53.16 | Thms | okay |
| 13:53.29 | Nemoder | it still amazes me debian is able to make releases at all given the scope of the project :) |
| 13:53.29 | CaT[tm] | expect 1-1.5 years for lenny is my guess. |
| 13:53.33 | asg | minerale: I'm in Charlotte |
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| 13:53.50 | gravity | Nemoder: It's a pretty heroic task. I'm consistently amazed at the release team's gumption |
| 13:53.52 | tonyb2006 | happy mayhem day |
| 13:54.16 | spyroboy | tonyb2006, poke |
| 13:54.23 | tonyb2006 | hey |
| 13:55.09 | pingouin | is there big change beetween X in sarge and X org in etch ? |
| 13:55.20 | gravity | pingouin: Yes |
| 13:55.31 | gravity | At least from my biased point of view |
| 13:55.33 | minerale | pingouin: xorg86 on sarge and x.org in etch |
| 13:55.35 | zoghome | http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 |
| 13:55.43 | pingouin | gravity: i can't keep my XFConfig4 i guess ? |
| 13:56.00 | zoghome | time to fire up some torrents |
| 13:56.03 | gravity | pingouin: It's the exact same file format. Just rename it to xorg.conf. The scripts should handle that automatically |
| 13:56.06 | Crypticfortune | so, now that etch is stable and sarge is oldstable, is sarge going to continue to get security updates and such? |
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| 13:56.14 | gravity | Crypticfortune: Yes, for a time. |
| 13:56.19 | pingouin | gravity: oh ? good...thanks |
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| 13:56.34 | gravity | Crypticfortune: The EOL for sarge's security will be announced on debian-announce when it's time |
| 13:56.40 | minerale | will my disk usage increase if I upgrade from sarge to etch? (and keep the same-ish packages) |
| 13:56.44 | pingouin | hope ut2k4 will still work well with nvidia 'evil' drivers... |
| 13:56.53 | asg | minerale: the dist-upgrade will tell you |
| 13:57.00 | jduggan_ | etch is stable? |
| 13:57.01 | Nemoder | pingouin: it works great |
| 13:57.03 | jduggan_ | wtf |
| 13:57.10 | asg | jduggan_: yes, check the website |
| 13:57.14 | Thms | etch is stable now ? |
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| 13:57.14 | jduggan_ | debian.org says 3.1r5 just got updated |
| 13:57.19 | jduggan_ | doesnt mention etch? |
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| 13:57.22 | pingouin | Nemoder: good ;) |
| 13:57.24 | asg | gravity: if you get a chance, can you update the topic for both etch and 3.1r6 |
| 13:57.28 | liable | jduggan_: refresh the page |
| 13:57.29 | numan | abrotman: should i do it? |
| 13:57.32 | gravity | asg: Right, sorry. |
| 13:57.41 | numan | should i apt-get dselect-upgrade? |
| 13:57.44 | jduggan_ | The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. The last update to this release was made on April 7th, 2007. |
| 13:57.51 | Nemoder | pingouin: the very latest drivers also support motion blur that is used in mods like Unwheel and Metaball, it's very pretty |
| 13:57.52 | FuzzyB | Anyone around here into xen? |
| 13:57.56 | asg | gravity: no worries and congrats, btw |
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| 13:58.07 | Crypticfortune | gravity: thanks |
| 13:58.11 | numan | asg: should i apt-get dselect-upgrade? |
| 13:58.28 | diskus | jduggan_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
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| 13:58.41 | *** topic/#debian by gravity -> ETCH IS RELEASED! Lenny is the new testing! | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:58.48 | minerale | hmm, I'm missing dist-upgrade |
| 13:59.00 | ole | Lenny... who the hell is lenny in toy story? |
| 13:59.05 | asg | ole: the binoculars |
| 13:59.06 | hamid | etch is released ! |
| 13:59.11 | ole | oh, great |
| 13:59.12 | jduggan_ | Ok then http://us.debian.org hasnt been updated |
| 13:59.12 | hamid | when ? |
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| 13:59.41 | CaT[tm] | why test etch d-i? :) |
| 13:59.43 | asg | hamid: last few hours |
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| 13:59.48 | Nemoder | heh I just can't help but think of Lenny & Carl from The Simpsons |
| 13:59.51 | ole | wonder what will they do when they run out of toy story characters |
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| 13:59.53 | hamid | asg: ty :) |
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| 14:00.04 | Thms | where can I get lenny ? |
| 14:00.05 | CaT[tm] | ole: there's ts2 :) |
| 14:00.10 | CaT[tm] | hahahaha |
| 14:00.11 | bzed | w00t! |
| 14:00.12 | asg | gravity: thanks |
| 14:00.16 | gravity | asg: No problem |
| 14:00.17 | CaT[tm] | thms: you're funny :) |
| 14:00.22 | gravity | Now why won't it de-op me...? |
| 14:00.27 | numan | hamid: tum apney lagte ho? |
| 14:00.29 | CaT[tm] | grav: why still /test/ the etch d-i? :) |
| 14:00.32 | Thms | CaT[tm]: why |
| 14:00.35 | pingouin | what is the name of the next "stable" ? by the way ? |
| 14:00.40 | asg | gravity: now, time to start planning the 80+ server upgrade |
| 14:00.45 | ole | CaT[tm], and based on release cycles, probably we won't be around to see it |
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| 14:00.52 | gravity | Ok, got it |
| 14:00.57 | bzed | !wwer |
| 14:00.57 | dpkg | IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html |
| 14:01.07 | jwl | Haha. |
| 14:01.09 | Gge | Hi - I just install amsn in Debian . It runs only from terminal and fails at launch from "applications menu with error" unable to get a socket from localhost . check your /etc/hosts. Any suggestion ? |
| 14:01.14 | hamid | what ? |
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| 14:01.32 | gravity | There we go, you have to use chanserv now |
| 14:01.33 | CaT[tm] | thms: you seem obsessed in wanting to install something that has a. not been released, b. has only been created a few hours ago and c. is probably in no way different to etch atm. |
| 14:01.47 | hamid | i can download it ? |
| 14:02.04 | Thms | okay CaT[tm] |
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| 14:02.27 | Nemoder | Gge: in your /etc/hosts file do you have a line with 127.0.0.1 <yourhostname> ? |
| 14:02.55 | abrotman | numan: do what ? |
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| 14:03.31 | numan | should i apt-get dselect-upgrade? |
| 14:03.52 | deedend | Anyone download the first DVD image via Bittorrent? It seem doesn't work!!! |
| 14:04.07 | deedend | The first image of Debian 4.0, of course! |
| 14:04.18 | jwl | numan: For what, etch? |
| 14:04.20 | CaT[tm] | deed: I just grab the netinstall images |
| 14:04.48 | abrotman | !etch |
| 14:04.48 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 14:04.52 | abrotman | any objections ? |
| 14:04.53 | numan | jwl: yes |
| 14:05.03 | abrotman | numan: you're fine .. |
| 14:05.22 | numan | abrotman: yes |
| 14:05.24 | abrotman | numan: you were running etch already .. just do aptitude update && aptitude upgrade .. are any held back ? |
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| 14:05.57 | numan | ok abrotman sir |
| 14:05.58 | deedend | CaT[tm], what is? |
| 14:06.10 | CaT[tm] | deedend: what is what? |
| 14:06.16 | deedend | netinstall |
| 14:06.48 | deedend | the image of a network installation? |
| 14:06.50 | CaT[tm] | deedend: a small minimal image. has enough stuff to do a base installation. for anything more it grabs things off the net for you. usually the image is around 100-150meg |
| 14:07.23 | deedend | ok, but I am interested at the entire DVD image, via bittorrent... but it seems don't work! |
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| 14:07.37 | deedend | the download doesn't start! |
| 14:08.05 | Gge | Nemoder , Yes -->> 127.0.0.1 localhost debian |
| 14:08.17 | Nemoder | Gge: what is in your /etc/hostname file? |
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| 14:08.41 | numan | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 14:08.54 | numan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.58 | roxy_ | I am trying to install from floppies, boot.img boots properly but then, init: 44: sleep not found and then a kernel panic. What can I do ? |
| 14:09.09 | numan | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 14:09.09 | Gge | Nemoder , in /etc/hostname ->> debian |
| 14:09.10 | numan | You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that |
| 14:09.13 | numan | this is what you want to do. |
| 14:09.21 | Nemoder | Gge: ok that looks right then |
| 14:09.58 | Nemoder | Gge: I would check the output of netstat -tupan and see if any other programs are using the port that amsn is trying to use |
| 14:10.06 | sphenxes | i would like to have a script to connect all files in a directory in one file. cat file1 + file 2 + ... + filen. I have tried it with while loop but can't solve the problem. can someone tell me how to join several file together in a simple while loop? |
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| 14:10.26 | hamid | HOOOORA ! |
| 14:10.30 | Gge | I rememebre itNemoder , thx for the advice . I'll chaeck that |
| 14:10.36 | roxy_ | sphenxes: you mean concat ? |
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| 14:10.54 | hamid | i am going to download DVD etch :D |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | sphenxes: cat file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 <fileyouwantthemallin> |
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| 14:10.57 | sphenxes | roxy_, yes |
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| 14:11.38 | numan | abrotman: it just upgraded mozilla-mplayer |
| 14:12.11 | sphenxes | abrotman, that is the command, but i need a script. because the number of files are changing. while [ n=1 -le 5 ] do cat ????? > finalfile done |
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| 14:12.32 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 14:12.37 | numan | abrotman: i still cant solve my problem which i mentioned today morning about browser sound |
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| 14:12.51 | abrotman | numan: you mean flash sound ? |
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| 14:13.25 | roxy_ | sphenxes: first rm the file, then inside loop >> |
| 14:13.33 | numan | no i go to any website which have embedded mediaplayer the video play well but no sound |
| 14:14.13 | sphenxes | roxy_, thanks |
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| 14:14.47 | numan | abrotman: i checked it now and its working |
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| 14:14.56 | roxy_ | sphenxes: np |
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| 14:15.58 | x_link | I'm using Debian Etch, I heard it got stable today. |
| 14:16.09 | x_link | So I'm not running Etch/testing anymore, right? |
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| 14:16.51 | abrotman | x_link: in your sources.list .. does it say etch or testing ? |
| 14:16.59 | x_link | Etch |
| 14:17.14 | x_link | abrotman: But when I installed this the first time everybody said Etch = Testing. |
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| 14:17.17 | x_link | But maybe not anymore. |
| 14:17.26 | numan | abrotman: my browser quit unexpectedly when i click to play quicktime movie file at -->http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/teenagemutantninjaturtles/ |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | not anymore is right |
| 14:17.31 | Nemoder | x_link: you are now running Etch/Stable |
| 14:17.34 | wols_ | x_link: you don't run testing anymore but stable now. but it's still etch |
| 14:17.35 | abrotman | numan: shitty movie .. that's why |
| 14:18.01 | x_link | wols_: I want it to be Testing. |
| 14:18.05 | wols_ | abrotman: it's part of the US culture. how can it be shitty? |
| 14:18.12 | x_link | Cause Stable will not have any new versions of anything, right? |
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| 14:18.27 | numan | abrotman: have you seen this movie? |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | it will get RC bug fixes and security updates |
| 14:18.35 | abrotman | numan: why the hell would i ? |
| 14:18.45 | x_link | wols_: Whcih version are you running? |
| 14:19.04 | numan | abrotman: so what about my problem? |
| 14:19.10 | Nemoder | x_link: just replace every word in your sources.list that say etch with testing |
| 14:19.11 | wols_ | sid |
| 14:19.12 | abrotman | what problem ? |
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| 14:19.22 | abrotman | Nemoder: why? |
| 14:19.29 | numan | abrotman: cant play quicktime movies |
| 14:19.29 | abrotman | x_link: i think you want it to be etch for now |
| 14:19.47 | Nemoder | he said he wanted to use the next testing |
| 14:20.08 | x_link | Is Testing Unstable, right? |
| 14:20.17 | abrotman | testing is testing .. unstable is unstable |
| 14:20.17 | roxy_ | installing from boot.img, I got: floppy0: no floppy controllers found then a kernel panic. |
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| 14:20.28 | abrotman | x_link: if i were you .. i'd track etch for a bit .. |
| 14:20.36 | Nemoder | right now testing is using the same software in etch but that will soon change |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | x_link: following the release .. testing can get pretty dicey |
| 14:21.13 | x_link | abrotman: Alright ten |
| 14:21.28 | x_link | But if I change every etch in my sources.list to Testing, can I change it back to etch later? |
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| 14:21.41 | FuzzyB | why screw with it? |
| 14:21.42 | infernix | !es |
| 14:21.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:21.47 | wols_ | x_link: no. downgrade is not possible |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | x_link: no .. |
| 14:21.48 | asg | x_link: downgrades are not supported |
| 14:21.50 | FuzzyB | are you just wanting to break your box or what? |
| 14:21.53 | numan | auto-identify! |
| 14:22.03 | x_link | Ahh ok. |
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| 14:22.19 | x_link | FuzzyB: Me? |
| 14:22.22 | numan | !auto-identify |
| 14:22.36 | FuzzyB | no the person looking over your shoulder telling you what to type |
| 14:22.48 | x_link | But testing will have new versions of things I guess. |
| 14:22.57 | x_link | FuzzyB: Ohh... I forgot he was here. I thought he went |
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| 14:23.54 | numan | auto-identify! |
| 14:23.58 | CaT[tm] | BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 14:24.00 | CaT[tm] | iceape |
| 14:24.05 | CaT[tm] | oh that's just too funny :) |
| 14:24.26 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 14:24.26 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey). |
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| 14:25.08 | x_link | abrotman/wols: Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it! |
| 14:25.12 | numan | how to get real plugin for real media types? |
| 14:25.26 | Nemoder | I still think that's all pretty silly, I don't know why moz.org couldn't agree to having debian just call it debian-firefox |
| 14:26.34 | CaT[tm] | iceweasel is the coolest name though. |
| 14:26.44 | roxy_ | how long would a clever sys ad wait before using etch ? |
| 14:26.51 | roxy_ | (for prod server) |
| 14:26.57 | asg | roxy_: a week or two, maybe a month |
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| 14:27.13 | asg | roxy_: at least with this release, security support is already available, which wasn't the case with sarge. |
| 14:27.13 | roxy_ | ta |
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| 14:27.23 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: Depends whether its a new server or an existing one |
| 14:27.37 | infernix | did the d-i get updated for etch? im trying to do a pxe netboot installation and it somehow fails with weird errors |
| 14:27.48 | Nemoder | well as long as sarge is continuing to get security updates then it's probably wise to stay with it |
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| 14:28.29 | CaT[tm] | roxy: I'll be updating over the course of 6 months. |
| 14:28.41 | abrotman | that's a long dist-upgrade |
| 14:28.50 | asg | abrotman: he's using rfc1149 |
| 14:28.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where can I download the release with KDE? |
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| 14:29.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's mentioned in the announcement |
| 14:29.07 | abrotman | same place as the rest |
| 14:29.19 | CaT[tm] | roxy: the more complicated your setup the longer you should wait so as to get the most familiarity with etch on your desktop. you've got a year afterall. |
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| 14:30.39 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: I would never upgrade a live box - start with etch on new hardware and transfer the data across and test it - a year is long enough |
| 14:30.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What's the image file called? |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | or use the netinst like a sane person |
| 14:31.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | DVD? |
| 14:31.18 | abrotman | wtf do you want to download a DVD for ? |
| 14:31.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I usually do, but I want this in case I need to install it on some computer with slow net |
| 14:31.38 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/ |
| 14:31.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | I often install Debian for people |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | god help them |
| 14:32.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | No KDE there :/ |
| 14:32.17 | roxy_ | CaT[tm], h3sp4wn: I am not the clever sys ad. I am the annoying programmer that nag the sys ad because he needs the new functionnalities :-) |
| 14:32.18 | abrotman | because it's probably on the first DVD with the kitchen sink and a dinosaur |
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| 14:32.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Umm... Ok.. :/ |
| 14:32.50 | CaT[tm] | roxy: need or want real bad? :) |
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| 14:33.06 | mphill | congratulations on etch, just readying the release notes looks awesome. keep up the good work! |
| 14:33.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Man, I'll be downloading a lot of etch the next few days.. DVDs for both AMD64 and x86, as well as netinst for both. |
| 14:33.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
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| 14:33.26 | wols_ | CaT[tm]: need real bad to hide his ugly code under the buzzwords of new functions for his favourite scriptinglang |
| 14:33.36 | CaT[tm] | roxy: though seriously. if they're a good sysadmin, you'll not want to hold your breath |
| 14:33.45 | wols_ | and if it blows up, it's easily blamed on a bug in the new lib :) |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: please use the bittorrent |
| 14:33.52 | solar_sea | I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade from sarge to etch. Will this upgrade my kernel too ? |
| 14:33.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I do |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | solar_sea: it should |
| 14:34.07 | CaT[tm] | roxy: my 6 month estimate is conservative for example. it may take me longer. |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: but really you should use the netinst when you can |
| 14:34.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I just want to be sure it include KDE |
| 14:34.14 | wols_ | solar_sea: depends what you isntalled for your kernel |
| 14:34.23 | solar_sea | and I don't want it to, I'm using a kmuto kernel in order to get my SATA hdds working |
| 14:34.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I know. But in some cases, it's not an option. |
| 14:34.32 | abrotman | solar_sea: if the metapackage for the kernel installed .. it will |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | solar_sea: uname -a .. show us |
| 14:34.44 | CaT[tm] | wols: hah :) |
| 14:35.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Are you sure the DVD includes KDE? |
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| 14:35.26 | roxy_ | wols_: the sys ad is always the guilty one. My code is blameless. |
| 14:35.33 | abrotman | there are only three .. most likely yes |
| 14:35.34 | solar_sea | Linux reborn 2.6.20.1-1-686 #1 SMP <some date> i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:35.34 | profiact | etch is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:35.37 | wols_ | roxy_: of course! |
| 14:35.41 | profiact | i have been waiting years for this!!!! |
| 14:35.44 | profiact | finally!!!!!! |
| 14:35.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Ok.. |
| 14:35.50 | profiact | good job! |
| 14:35.58 | abrotman | solar_sea: just keep the deb of that kernel handy |
| 14:36.07 | solar_sea | :) |
| 14:36.11 | CaT[tm] | years? |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | solar_sea: i don't think you'll need it |
| 14:36.18 | CaT[tm] | it's taken it less then 2 to release :) |
| 14:36.33 | wols_ | CaT[tm]: must be a new record or something :) |
| 14:36.58 | wols_ | but then, now that debian did 2 releases on one day, armaggeddon is nigh anyways |
| 14:37.03 | wols_ | so repent people! |
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| 14:37.25 | asg | wols_: even worse, CentOS 5 is supposed to release tomorrow |
| 14:37.51 | CaT[tm] | wols: E: Couldn't find package repent |
| 14:37.54 | CaT[tm] | wols: :/ |
| 14:38.10 | kendo` | has any sort of bootsplash or graphical boot up been included in etch? |
| 14:38.23 | wols_ | CaT[tm]: if it's not in debian, it can't be that important |
| 14:38.29 | profiact | is torrent fast to download etch? |
| 14:38.37 | CaT[tm] | wols: hehe |
| 14:38.37 | profiact | or should i download from the mirrors? |
| 14:38.39 | abrotman | kendo`: there is .. but not by default |
| 14:38.47 | abrotman | profiact: use the torrent |
| 14:39.01 | abrotman | !info bootsplash etch |
| 14:39.03 | dpkg | bootsplash: (Enables a graphical boot screen), section graphics, is optional. Version: 3.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 14:39.06 | kendo` | just the bootsplash package? |
| 14:39.09 | profiact | is it possible to get more than 50 kilobytes/second? |
| 14:39.13 | kendo` | cheers :0 |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | kendo`: and usplash |
| 14:39.16 | kendo` | :)* |
| 14:39.21 | abrotman | profiact: aren't you getting the netinst ? |
| 14:39.41 | kendo` | gosh I'm hating how gnome opens up a new window for every folder by default. |
| 14:39.42 | x_link | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14575/ Does that look correct? |
| 14:39.47 | profiact | i am, abrotman |
| 14:39.58 | abrotman | profiact: it's only 150MB .. won't take you that long |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | x_link: shouldn't those say 'etch' .. not 'testing' ? |
| 14:40.14 | profiact | okay, i will give it a try, thanx!! |
| 14:40.53 | jahshua | hello. |
| 14:41.20 | jahshua | i have just installed etch and i want to upgrade to sid but im wondering about this bug with apt that i run into when i upgrade. |
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| 14:41.50 | wols_ | which bug? |
| 14:42.02 | CaT[tm] | geeze. etch is released and people already want to hit either lenny or sid |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | why would you want to go straight to sid ? |
| 14:42.19 | jahshua | i had a link for it earlier, abrotman gave it to me. |
| 14:42.25 | abrotman | no i didn't |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | i would never ever do such a thing |
| 14:42.30 | jahshua | yes you did. |
| 14:42.32 | jahshua | heh |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | not for sid i didn't |
| 14:42.36 | CaT[tm] | oooooo |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | i'll give you all the links for etch you want |
| 14:42.50 | Rydekull | the suspense! |
| 14:43.08 | abrotman | jahshua: oh .. you mean the bug number :) |
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| 14:43.21 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
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| 14:43.26 | jahshua | yah :p |
| 14:43.34 | jahshua | is that only affecting sid? |
| 14:43.35 | abrotman | jahshua: i thought you meant for changing to unstable |
| 14:43.37 | x_link | abrotman: I have a backup on Etch, so can just make a recover and I'm right back to Etch. Just want to try this out. |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | NFC . wait a few days |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | x_link: no .. you can't |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | x_link: once you start pulling from testing (once it starts getting updates) you can't go back |
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| 14:44.22 | Rydekull | abrotman: focus on his "backup" |
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| 14:44.41 | x_link | abrotman: I have made an backup on my Debian Etch systen, so I can just put in my Acronis CD and make an Recover. |
| 14:44.41 | abrotman | backup of what? his sources.list ? |
| 14:44.46 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:44.49 | Rydekull | abrotman: his system :) |
| 14:44.51 | x_link | abrotman: My whole system. |
| 14:44.54 | profiact | is lenny ready to use yet? |
| 14:44.57 | abrotman | you people have too much HDD space |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | profiact: it's the same as etch |
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| 14:45.17 | profiact | okay, no new packages? |
| 14:45.19 | x_link | abrotman: Well, was it right? |
| 14:45.26 | profiact | will there be newer ones in future? |
| 14:45.35 | Rydekull | profiact: future, yes |
| 14:45.44 | abrotman | x_link: i'd point it to lenny .. but that's just me |
| 14:45.46 | jahshua | i want to stop gdm from starting at boot time, can anyone remind me of the command please? i have forgotten it. ;/ |
| 14:45.50 | Rydekull | profiact: go read about the debian release cycle |
| 14:45.52 | asg | jahshua: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | !tell jahshua about nodm |
| 14:46.33 | profiact | ok :) |
| 14:46.33 | jahshua | thanks. |
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| 14:46.37 | wols_ | abrotman: debian is really small. with 5-10GB you have a OS with apps, while today's harddisks start at 160GB |
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| 14:46.58 | abrotman | wols_: perhaps .. but wouldn't it be more fun to use all that space for qemu images? |
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| 14:47.49 | Rydekull | abrotman: haha |
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| 14:48.31 | wols_ | abrotman: no. to use qemu you need a shitload of RAM. and while "they" give you a lot of harddisk, none gives your RAM |
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| 14:49.07 | abrotman | wols_: it doesn't use that much |
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| 14:49.45 | Rydekull | wols_: atleast here most computers come with ~1024 MB these days i'd say. If not, atleast 512. Anyways, that's enough to squeeze a few images in |
| 14:50.08 | deepsa | hi. i want to download dvd of 4.0 but it says 3 dvd. is there any need to download all 3 and what is in these 3 dvds? |
| 14:50.09 | mike1o | how do I split an avi file? "split" destroys the index... |
| 14:50.17 | abrotman | be a bit beter if i could make qemu/xen/vmware do what i want .. |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | deepsa: the netinst isn't sufficient ? |
| 14:50.37 | asg | abrotman: where do you want to go today? |
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| 14:50.46 | abrotman | asg: hiking .. but i'm sick |
| 14:50.52 | profiact | will pidgin 2.0 stable be included in etch? |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:51.06 | deepsa | abrotman, no i can't do a netinst |
| 14:51.06 | asg | profiact: no |
| 14:51.13 | asg | !info gaim etch |
| 14:51.13 | deepsa | i wanted to download dvd to give to friends |
| 14:51.16 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 14:51.20 | abrotman | deepsa: then i guess you need all three .. though i'd start with just the first |
| 14:51.21 | asg | profiact: ^^ |
| 14:51.30 | profiact | a beta version? o0 |
| 14:51.39 | deepsa | abrotman, can you tell me where i can see what's in the dvd's? |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | deepsa: there's a lot of software on the first DVD .. you could set up an http source for the rest |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | deepsa: since it just came out .. i doubt it |
| 14:51.59 | asg | profiact: that has had backported bugfixes and other bits. |
| 14:52.06 | Openix | just downloaded Etch on DVD and installed into VMWare - that desktop background sucks! |
| 14:52.11 | deepsa | abrotman, i guess 2 dvd for packages and 3rd one having sources? |
| 14:52.12 | profiact | okay, thats good |
| 14:52.18 | profiact | thanks asg :) |
| 14:52.18 | abrotman | deepsa: if you get the jigdo image .. you can look yourself |
| 14:52.30 | muh2000 | so i want to upgrade my old AMD-64 debian installation to etch4. do i have to do anything else besides apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 14:52.49 | asg | muh2000: read the release notes |
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| 14:53.51 | abrotman | deepsa: what are you looking for ? |
| 14:54.16 | deepsa | i am looking for etch with all packages. hundreds and thousands of packages debian is famous for |
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| 14:54.36 | cramm | Openix: change it, or propose yours for Lenny :) |
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| 14:54.53 | Openix | lol |
| 14:54.59 | profiact | What to do, if i installed etch and setted up internet with pppoeconf with the sources.list? can i generate one? |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | deepsa: do you really want a list ? |
| 14:55.22 | deepsa | abrotman, if possible yes |
| 14:55.22 | abrotman | deepsa: it's there .. but there are three dvds |
| 14:55.30 | abrotman | deepsa: i'll give you DVD1 |
| 14:55.38 | Diilbert | I know this probably a popular question, but is there a fail-safe way to upgrade from etch to 4.0 stable ? |
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| 14:55.56 | krazykit | Diilbert, etch IS 4.0 stable |
| 14:55.58 | tonyb2006 | etch IS 4.0 stable |
| 14:56.02 | Diilbert | Last time I did an upgrade like this I ended up doing I full install |
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| 14:56.11 | asg | Diilbert: if you have been tracking etch all along, a simple upgrade will do the trick |
| 14:56.14 | Rydekull | Diilbert: read the release notes |
| 14:56.27 | Diilbert | Rydekull: thanks |
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| 14:56.37 | Diilbert | I have an unstable version I mean :0 |
| 14:56.55 | abrotman | deepsa: http://pastebin.ca/429853 |
| 14:56.57 | pwned | so etch is released. Woo hoo whatever, where are my long-delayed sid dev libraries ? |
| 14:57.04 | abrotman | deepsa: that's a rough thing .. i didn't actually double check it |
| 14:57.06 | x_link | I always forget which command to use to see which Debian version I use, could somebody tell me that? |
| 14:57.09 | abrotman | pwned: give it a few days |
| 14:57.12 | abrotman | !version |
| 14:57.13 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 14:57.20 | asg | Diilbert: if you are running sid, you are long past running etch |
| 14:57.25 | Rydekull | Diilbert: going from unstable back to etch? Well, they are quite close right now it could be done, but there is no 'easy' way. |
| 14:57.25 | pwned | abrotman: kay. |
| 14:57.47 | Rydekull | x_link: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:57.57 | x_link | Rydekull: Thanks! |
| 14:58.03 | krazykit | going from unstable to testing can/will break stuff. |
| 14:58.08 | abrotman | it's not possible |
| 14:58.14 | abrotman | or rather .. not supported |
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| 14:58.24 | abrotman | and not likely to work at all :) |
| 14:58.35 | krazykit | worked for me >_> |
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| 14:58.44 | krazykit | but not after quite a bit of pain |
| 14:58.47 | x_link | I have read this stuff about the releases 10 times proberly, still don't get it 100%. |
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| 14:59.16 | Rydekull | x_link: then read it a 11th time :) |
| 14:59.21 | deepsa | abrotman, thanks alot |
| 14:59.24 | Rydekull | x_link: or find another document that explains it |
| 14:59.28 | x_link | Rydekull: hehe doing it right now. |
| 14:59.41 | Rydekull | x_link: or, give it time, let it sink in, somethings need to sink in before you get them |
| 14:59.42 | abrotman | that's disgusting .. 4638 packages on DVD1 |
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| 15:00.06 | deepsa | i am sure of seeing same in DVD2 |
| 15:00.06 | x_link | Rydekull: I just remove etch and added testing in my sources.list, after that I did aptitude update aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade, it didn't download anything at all. Shouldn't it get something? |
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| 15:00.30 | paulproteus | Yippee, Etch! |
| 15:00.39 | x_link | Rydekull: Yeah... like I told you before, I must read one thing several times before it sinks in. |
| 15:00.41 | abrotman | see what i mean |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | deepsa: do you want me to do that one too ? |
| 15:01.01 | abrotman | deepsa: here .. i'll tell you how ... |
| 15:01.01 | asg | abrotman: it's for all these reasons that we tell people not to run testing/unstable |
| 15:01.07 | deepsa | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:01.13 | Rydekull | x_link: Etch has _just_ been released. Let's say a new icecream comes out into the store, do you think a new updates version comes out straight after, or do you need to give them time to invent it? |
| 15:01.15 | deepsa | abrotman, sure i would like to know |
| 15:01.22 | Rydekull | updated* |
| 15:01.32 | x_link | Rydekull: Yeah, that's right. |
| 15:01.41 | x_link | I didn't think of that at all. |
| 15:01.52 | x_link | Rydekull: But I think I got my repositories set up right now. |
| 15:01.53 | abrotman | deepsa: zcat <jigdofile> | grep pool | awk -F: '{print $2}' | awk -F/ '{print $4}' | sort > sorted-jigdofile |
| 15:01.56 | tonyb2006 | mmmm...icecream |
| 15:02.07 | Rydekull | x_link: then, with time you'll surely see things drop in |
| 15:02.07 | asg | creamed iceweasel |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | deepsa: roughly .. and that's probably inefficient |
| 15:02.15 | abrotman | i'm sure greycat would make fun of me |
| 15:02.27 | asg | abrotman: probably |
| 15:02.37 | abrotman | i probably could have left out the first awk .. but oh well |
| 15:02.49 | abrotman | oh damn . .there's a zgrep! |
| 15:02.51 | x_link | Rydekull: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14583/ I did it like that. |
| 15:02.52 | Rydekull | abrotman: and the grep |
| 15:03.05 | abrotman | Rydekull: didn't know til just now there was a zgrep :) |
| 15:03.06 | deepsa | abrotman, nice.. |
| 15:03.07 | Rydekull | x_link: You know I wont read that link |
| 15:03.07 | asg | !uuoc abrotman |
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| 15:03.11 | Rydekull | abrotman: :) |
| 15:03.15 | abrotman | I DIDN'T KNOW! |
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| 15:03.39 | paulproteus | Er, s/hugs//g |
| 15:03.48 | profiact | !info xfce etch |
| 15:03.48 | Rydekull | paulproteus: use a mirror |
| 15:03.51 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 15:03.59 | profiact | !info etch xfce |
| 15:04.02 | Rydekull | or the torrents :P |
| 15:04.04 | abrotman | msg the dman bot |
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| 15:04.08 | krazykit | profiact, msg the bot |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | or learn how to use it |
| 15:04.11 | asg | profiact: /msg dpkg <factoids> |
| 15:04.17 | profiact | thx |
| 15:04.18 | abrotman | profiact: or use packages.debian.org |
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| 15:04.21 | paulproteus | Rydekull, I'm trying to find the .torrent files. (-: |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | which would probably be better |
| 15:04.31 | abrotman | paulproteus: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 15:04.35 | Rydekull | paulproteus: he just gave you a link :) |
| 15:04.40 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | and again! |
| 15:04.48 | Rydekull | amazing! |
| 15:04.54 | paulproteus | Rydekull, Yes, yes, I can't reply to all of you this fast, thanks! (-: |
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| 15:05.01 | abrotman | FASTER! |
| 15:05.08 | pwned | you must reply to all of us. Especially me. |
| 15:05.09 | Rydekull | Harder? |
| 15:05.16 | Rydekull | (Scooter) :S |
| 15:05.44 | curt | is this the Sam? really? discussion channel? |
| 15:05.58 | abrotman | hey curt |
| 15:06.03 | curt | abrotman, hey |
| 15:06.15 | abrotman | the Sam ? |
| 15:06.33 | curt | abrotman, Sam Hocevar |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | curt: did you type that in the wrong channel ? |
| 15:06.46 | Diilbert | Rydekull: I guess I was asking the wrong question. I AM using etch stable. It was just not the newest etch. In that case I can just update my packages as required. |
| 15:06.49 | curt | no |
| 15:06.53 | curt | abrotman, http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_001 |
| 15:07.01 | abrotman | yeah .. Sam won |
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| 15:07.39 | Rydekull | Diilbert: :) |
| 15:08.08 | solar_sea | nvidia_homegrown |
| 15:08.21 | solar_sea | ops, i though i was messaging to dpkg |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | !tell solar_sea about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:08.59 | bzed | !ping |
| 15:09.00 | dpkg | pong |
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| 15:11.58 | abrotman | DVD1 doesn't seem to include nonfree source stuff |
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| 15:17.37 | itchi | wooohooo |
| 15:17.54 | itchi | Debian Etch aka Lenny already rules! |
| 15:18.05 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 15:18.13 | asg | itchi: Etch is not aka Lenny |
| 15:18.15 | curt | abrotman, I don't want to sound like I am making a big deal about Sam but there are several things about him that cause me to want to keep a close eye on him for the next year. |
| 15:18.19 | curt | abrotman, a lot too frank/too much french for me WTFPL http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ and I don't really see a need for a nothing but trouble causing "captcha decoder" |
| 15:18.21 | Rydekull | itchi: eh... |
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| 15:18.30 | cbr | when's it going to be released though? it's in a half-assed stage atm when it's not quite being updated yet isn't released either |
| 15:18.35 | Rydekull | itchi: Etch is Etch, Lenny is Lenny |
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| 15:18.43 | itchi | yeah, then next one :-p |
| 15:18.46 | asg | cbr: give it a few days |
| 15:18.57 | cbr | days? or months? |
| 15:19.00 | famir | how can i check if the system see that i have two processors ? |
| 15:19.08 | asg | cbr: days. It'll take time but not months |
| 15:19.19 | asg | famir: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:19.20 | Rydekull | famir: grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 15:19.24 | itchi | I see that in the topic right now, got that news to hear |
| 15:19.37 | Rydekull | famir: mind you it can fool you if it's dualcored :) |
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| 15:20.08 | famir | Rydekull: ??? |
| 15:20.10 | itchi | oh, i typed Etch buhaha |
| 15:21.06 | itchi | Wtf it make me already crazy :-) |
| 15:21.06 | Rydekull | famir: I am somewhat urged to give you a response consisting off "!!!" |
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| 15:21.35 | famir | how can i check if the system see that i have two processors ? |
| 15:21.44 | Rydekull | famir: we've already answered that |
| 15:21.46 | wols_ | famir: check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:21.48 | asg | famir: he's already told you |
| 15:21.57 | famir | wols_: 10x |
| 15:22.02 | asg | famir: i.e., asg@vms3-central:~$ grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:22.02 | asg | 8 |
| 15:22.08 | Rydekull | asg: die |
| 15:22.19 | janttsu | so would it be safe to update sources.list from etch to lenny already? |
| 15:22.27 | wols_ | janttsu: no |
| 15:22.38 | asg | Rydekull: I always prefer || die("booger"); |
| 15:22.42 | famir | asg: 10x |
| 15:22.44 | Rydekull | asg: :P |
| 15:22.53 | janttsu | wols_: "This release (Lenny) started as a copy of etch" |
| 15:23.17 | famir | if i have doulcore should the system see 1 or 2 processors ??? |
| 15:23.17 | abrotman | curt: i think he has a wacky sense of humor .. but i don't know much about him .. you'd have to ask other DDs |
| 15:23.30 | asg | famir: should see two. Are you running a -SMP kernel? |
| 15:23.39 | famir | asg: ? |
| 15:23.50 | asg | famir: uname -a |
| 15:24.13 | famir | asg: Linux ITL 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Sep 8 19:55:17 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:24.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:24.42 | h3sp4wn | no debian kernel ever used PREEMPT |
| 15:24.48 | asg | famir: that's not a debian kernel, what are you running? |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | famir: what version of linux is that ? |
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| 15:25.05 | famir | as i know debian |
| 15:25.08 | Rydekull | asg: I was going to say, shouldnt matter if he's running a stockdebian-kernel as there is no "smp-kernels" these day |
| 15:25.08 | abrotman | no it's not |
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| 15:25.21 | abrotman | famir: that's kubuntu |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | or mepis |
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| 15:25.51 | asg | Rydekull: true, wasn't sure if he was still running sarge or not. |
| 15:25.54 | famir | isn't ubuntu the same ? |
| 15:25.58 | asg | famir: no |
| 15:26.06 | Viper550 | Cudo's to the Debian team, FINALLY, ETCH IS HERE! |
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| 15:26.29 | abrotman | famir: you want #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 15:26.38 | plutonas | now that etch is released, and i run testing, what should i do? |
| 15:26.41 | abrotman | famir: can you paste your sources.list somewhere ? |
| 15:26.41 | plutonas | just upgrade? |
| 15:26.43 | famir | 10x |
| 15:26.51 | wols_ | plutonas: edit your sources.list to etch |
| 15:26.58 | plutonas | thei say testing |
| 15:26.59 | asg | plutonas: it depends on a) what your sources are and b) where you want to go today |
| 15:27.04 | Rydekull | abrotman: it Have a feeling you may want to tell him in a pastebin :P |
| 15:27.13 | plutonas | i want continue running testing |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | plutonas: if you want to continue with etch ..change your sources to point to etch .. otherwise .. leave it be and wait for it to break |
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| 15:27.28 | asg | plutonas: keep on truckin' |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | Rydekull: nah ... |
| 15:27.35 | plutonas | abrotman: why should it break? |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | mass influx of packages |
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| 15:28.06 | h3sp4wn | I would rather run sid than testing at this time |
| 15:28.15 | plutonas | hm... I always thought testing was stable enough for desktop use |
| 15:28.31 | abrotman | not always |
| 15:28.31 | h3sp4wn | except just after a release |
| 15:28.37 | abrotman | usually it's acceptable |
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| 15:28.44 | abrotman | but somethings break .. and they usualyl break for longer |
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| 15:28.59 | asg | plutonas: 'stable enough' is relative to your ability to fix problems |
| 15:29.04 | plutonas | hm, i see, I never had a problem, but i just run etch for about 8 months or so |
| 15:29.24 | plutonas | perhaps i wait some days till dist-upgrade |
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| 15:29.49 | pwned | I've always found sid decent. Just update individual packages when it is absolutely neccessary and you're fine. |
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| 15:30.11 | pwned | maybe send a couple of bug reports in the process |
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| 15:30.37 | plutonas | hm, if there are too much problems i will think of changing a distribution, but i think there wont be that much or not that much important ones... (i hope) |
| 15:30.48 | h3sp4wn | until the new glibc is in and the archive rebuilt with it there is no point in causing yourself extra hassle |
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| 15:31.02 | plutonas | because in stable i had a version problem, i couldn't use a lot of things, because they depended on newer versions etc |
| 15:31.10 | plutonas | and if testing is problematic too... |
| 15:31.12 | plutonas | anyway |
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| 15:31.42 | h3sp4wn | plutonas: change testing to etch - and change it back in a month or so and it will be fine |
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| 15:31.48 | plutonas | (well i don't mean that there is something wrong with debian of course, just that it wont do it for me) |
| 15:31.54 | plutonas | h3sp4wn: ok |
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| 15:32.11 | sakal | hello :) I look in wiki page: Install Beryl on Debian that for XFCE I must edit or create init-beryl.sh file, but I don't understand where is this file (init-beryl.sh) |
| 15:32.15 | plutonas | that's probably what i'll do |
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| 15:32.32 | abrotman | and the sox are on tv tonight .. it's a good day ... |
| 15:33.00 | smacnay | Hi, where is a repository of older kernels? I am running 2.6.18-4 but would like to try an earlier .deb 2.6 and see if my 'lost interrupt'/dying cd drive issues are related to kernel incompatibilities. |
| 15:33.11 | h3sp4wn | snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:33.25 | smacnay | thanks |
| 15:33.43 | ZathrasZ | hi. I am running Etch and have been doing so on several machines for some time. Now Etch is stable I am doing an upgrade to the latest release of Etch. Yet still major errors seem to be there. Like critical bug #370764 of xorg: The paths are all fucked up |
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| 15:33.50 | ZathrasZ | does not seem very stable to me.... |
| 15:34.15 | sakal | ) |
| 15:34.57 | abrotman | !dbugs 370764 |
| 15:35.00 | sakal | any ideas about Beryl & XFCE? |
| 15:35.01 | dpkg | DONE:#370764:[xorg] xorg: The paths are all fucked up; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:03:30 UTC |
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| 15:35.26 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: that bug is closed |
| 15:35.53 | smacnay | Any idea what would cause a cd drive to report lost interrupts and become unusable? |
| 15:36.03 | ZathrasZ | why does it appear then after I do an apt-get update && aot-get upgrade ? |
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| 15:36.22 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: that's also not a real bug report |
| 15:36.24 | smacnay | Seems to happen no matter where the cd is located on the ide chain nor whether it is swapped out for another cd drive. |
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| 15:36.34 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: appear where ? |
| 15:37.25 | wols_ | abrotman: that "bug report" is worthy of a sunday |
| 15:37.27 | ZathrasZ | after a apt-get update the packages are downloaded. Then all major bugs are listed and apt asks whether to procede or not |
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| 15:37.36 | stickybit` | where does all the environment variables get stored? i need a absolute path of that file |
| 15:37.46 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: because you're using apt-listbugs .. the bug is still closed |
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| 15:38.16 | wols_ | stickybit`: what file? |
| 15:38.44 | ZathrasZ | in that case apt-listbugs sucks bigtime as I have a minimal install and yet about 8 grave bugs in various packages are listed |
| 15:38.58 | stickybit` | wols_: file in which all the environment variables get stored |
| 15:39.09 | wols_ | stickybit`: there is no such file |
| 15:39.13 | wols_ | env > file |
| 15:39.16 | wols_ | now you have one |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: then uninstall apt-listbugs |
| 15:39.32 | stickybit` | wols_: lol |
| 15:39.35 | wols_ | stickybit`: maybe if you explained your problem in more detail |
| 15:40.14 | stickybit` | wols_: i just want a file which stores all the env variables |
| 15:40.19 | h3sp4wn | stickybit`: /etc/environment is as good a place as any to store tham |
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| 15:40.59 | stickybit` | h3sp4wn: ok |
| 15:41.04 | pwned | heh, aptitude said ~190000 files/folders before I started spring cleaning. Now it is ~95000 |
| 15:41.18 | bzed | ZathrasZ: there's no magic inapt-listbugs. you need to review all bugs, or just don't use it. I could send in a grave bug for packake foo saying IT"S BROKEN OMG and you'd see it in listbugs. you ahve to check the bugs to find out if you still want the update or not |
| 15:41.53 | redduck666 | is it possible to use apache2 (and not 2.2) in ethc? |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:42.03 | redduck666 | :( |
| 15:42.07 | stickybit` | wols_: h2sp4wn : when we execute ``env'' command, from where `env' retrieves all the variables? |
| 15:42.16 | bzed | redduck666: if you compile it on your own... but I'd not recommend it |
| 15:42.24 | ZathrasZ | bzed: true yet very inconvinient in case of a major upgrade of the system |
| 15:42.25 | kakarot | hi,i have a via epia mainboard with debian. sometimes, the system gets frozen. how can i find what is happening? |
| 15:42.30 | bzed | stickybit`: from the environment? |
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| 15:43.05 | redduck666 | abrotman, bzed: i needd mod-auth-mysql, what be the reccomanded way to get it? |
| 15:43.11 | bzed | ZathrasZ: there're no really grave/release critical bugs in a new release, so just don';t use apt-listbugs |
| 15:43.16 | stickybit` | bzed: there is only one variable in my /etc/environment which is LANG |
| 15:43.31 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: your time to whine/bitch is over .. you had two years to file bugs |
| 15:43.34 | stickybit` | bzed: but env shows lot of |
| 15:43.40 | jetscreamer | .bashrc? |
| 15:43.43 | bzed | stickybit`: /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, ~/.bashrc |
| 15:43.55 | jetscreamer | pr... gah you beat me to the extended list |
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| 15:44.34 | bzed | redduck666: you can get libapache2-mod-auth-mysql from unstable |
| 15:44.39 | ZathrasZ | abrotman: why being so ''friendly"? I have been using Debian for about 9 years. Never had this issue...... |
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| 15:44.46 | jwl | stickybit`: environment variables are set from all over the system. `env` *is* the list of all of them, but it's from memory, not a file. |
| 15:44.54 | bzed | redduck666: download the .deb and dpkg -i it... |
| 15:44.58 | stickybit` | bzed: echo $HISTFILE gives ~/.bash_history |
| 15:45.07 | abrotman | ZathrasZ: i'm just telling you there's nothign you can do now .. you had two years to file bugs |
| 15:45.21 | stickybit` | bzed: but it is not there in any of the files you have just mentioned |
| 15:45.26 | twobitsprite | what packages do I need to install for my nvidia graphics card? I have the nv xorg driver... but glxgears seems to be really jerky so I feel I'm missing something |
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| 15:45.40 | Part` | Hi. |
| 15:45.46 | bzed | stickybit`: that's jsut the default. edit ~/.bashrc and add something like export HISTFILE=/tmp/foobarnbuzz |
| 15:45.50 | redduck666 | bzed: thanks |
| 15:45.52 | diakopter | I'm getting this: "Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge)" b/c (when trying all 3 IPs for security.debian.org) /dists/testing/ is linked to "lenny", /dists/oldstable/ is linked to "sarge", but /dists/stable/ is also linked to "sarge" |
| 15:45.57 | stickybit` | jwl: just now i got the same answer from another channel only |
| 15:46.07 | crm__ | werd |
| 15:46.08 | stickybit` | jwl: thanks |
| 15:46.19 | jetscreamer | ooo is it going in? |
| 15:46.28 | jetscreamer | ah no |
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| 15:47.06 | stickybit` | jwl: you are right |
| 15:47.31 | wols_ | ZathrasZ: cause that bug you listed is a BS bug |
| 15:47.53 | jetscreamer | bitslice? bom shanour? |
| 15:47.53 | bzed | diakopter: sounds like your mirror is not updated yet |
| 15:48.09 | jetscreamer | bs? |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | diakopter: are you trying to use sarge or stable(now etch) ? |
| 15:48.31 | jetscreamer | abrotman: did it go stable? |
| 15:48.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /topic |
| 15:48.40 | diakopter | abrotman: the links are correct on ftp.us, but not security |
| 15:48.49 | jetscreamer | do you know how far up that topic is? :) |
| 15:48.51 | luz | just upgraded to etch yesterday |
| 15:48.55 | bzed | diakopter: err.. and security.debian.org doesn't have security support for the new testing yet. etch was released, and security.d.o seems to lag with the update |
| 15:48.58 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 15:49.07 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:49.14 | bzed | !tell jetscreamer about wwer |
| 15:49.22 | jetscreamer | ok big deal move along nothing to see |
| 15:49.41 | jetscreamer | etch whoopee party over go back to being normal |
| 15:49.46 | jetscreamer | sid! |
| 15:50.02 | pwned | sid for the win |
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| 15:50.06 | diakopter | abrotman: sure, but stable/updates generates that conflicting distribution message. |
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| 15:50.28 | abrotman | diakopter: so use etch/updates |
| 15:50.35 | abrotman | diakopter: show us all your sources |
| 15:50.36 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:50.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 15:50.52 | setient | so debian just killed the motorola 680x0 branch? |
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| 15:51.22 | solar_sea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.37 | setient | anyone know anything about why they killed it |
| 15:51.41 | bzed | abrotman: stable is still a link to sarge on security.d.o :\ |
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| 15:51.49 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 15:51.58 | diakopter | bzed: that's what I said |
| 15:51.59 | abrotman | setient: no |
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| 15:52.34 | bzed | diakopter: change the stable/updates to etch/updates and you should be fine |
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| 15:52.45 | shadowarts | hey since etch is out and i have sarge (that i dont want to upgrade yet) did the sarge repos move to a new name so i can still use them instead of it telling me everything is out of date |
| 15:52.54 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: did you /etc/init.d/kdm stop ? |
| 15:52.57 | emergetw | Anyone know if bootsplash support is compiled into etch's kernel? |
| 15:53.05 | h3sp4wn | emergetw: its not |
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| 15:53.10 | schme | setient: "The port failed to make the release criteria for Debian 4.0 and has therefore not been included in the Etch release." |
| 15:53.12 | wols_ | setient: probably lack of interest or such. remember the debate of killing platforms last year |
| 15:53.18 | Anthro | Anyone know why I'd get this on an apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge) |
| 15:53.27 | jetscreamer | scroll up anthro |
| 15:53.32 | jetscreamer | they just discussed it |
| 15:53.36 | wols_ | jetscreamer: he just joined |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | wols_: not lack of interest |
| 15:53.38 | emergetw | h3sp4wn: damn |
| 15:53.39 | jetscreamer | o |
| 15:53.40 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 15:53.41 | h3sp4wn | emergetw: You could use splashy |
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| 15:53.54 | jetscreamer | [10.52.10] <bzed> abrotman: stable is still a link to sarge on security.d.o :\ |
| 15:54.03 | Anthro | jetscreamer: I just got here. |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | Anthro: change it to etch/updates instead of stable/updates |
| 15:54.06 | sakal | dpkg beryl & xfce |
| 15:54.08 | gravity | stupid website |
| 15:54.13 | jetscreamer | yeah Anthro sorry :/ |
| 15:54.14 | setient | no i don't remember any debates. seriously though. debian was the last m68k linux distro |
| 15:54.14 | Anthro | abrotman: Ah, okay. |
| 15:54.15 | abrotman | website ? |
| 15:54.19 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 15:54.22 | setient | so linux on the m68k is dead now. |
| 15:54.24 | abrotman | setient: it's the Vancouver decision |
| 15:54.32 | setient | thta includes the old school palms |
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| 15:54.37 | abrotman | setient: it still has m68k .. just not the stable release |
| 15:54.40 | gravity | setient: There's going to be an independent release |
| 15:54.41 | setient | oh |
| 15:54.44 | emergetw | h3sp4wn: does it require kernel support? |
| 15:54.44 | diakopter | abrotman: someone just fixed it. |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | gravity: do you know if r1 could have m68k ? |
| 15:54.49 | setient | gravity: i hope so. |
| 15:54.49 | h3sp4wn | emergetw: No |
| 15:54.55 | abrotman | diakopter: fix who what? |
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| 15:55.01 | jetscreamer | security? |
| 15:55.05 | setient | netbsd and openbsd still have SOME m68k ports |
| 15:55.06 | gravity | setient: It's basically just been uncoupled from the mainline Debian releases. They've been setting up their own infrastructure to manage a release and everything. |
| 15:55.07 | bzed | !confuse abrotman |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | No, where is their hamster yesterday, abrotman? trousers of the republic of tahiti with extra cream |
| 15:55.10 | diakopter | abrotman: security.d.o stable->etch linnk |
| 15:55.11 | abrotman | diakopter: ah ok |
| 15:55.16 | setient | gravity: sweet. |
| 15:55.23 | gravity | abrotman: I don't think so, but they'll have a release of their own |
| 15:55.25 | emergetw | h3sp4wn: doesnt look like it is in etch's repository |
| 15:55.30 | abrotman | like amd64 did ... |
| 15:55.43 | abrotman | but it'd be nice if they meet the criteria for r1, etc .. if they were included |
| 15:55.51 | jetscreamer | Anthro: they just said it got fixed just now if you didn't see |
| 15:56.00 | h3sp4wn | !info splashy |
| 15:56.08 | solemnwarning | How can I get a list of available versions of a package? |
| 15:56.08 | Anthro | jetscreamer: Who said? |
| 15:56.10 | dpkg | splashy: (A complete user-space boot splash system), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.3.2 (sid), Packaged size: 2000 kB, Installed size: 3428 kB |
| 15:56.16 | jetscreamer | [10.55.40] <diakopter> abrotman: security.d.o stable->etch linnk |
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| 15:56.19 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 15:56.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i saw .. thanks |
| 15:56.26 | emergetw | h3sp4wn: is sid testing now? |
| 15:56.27 | Anthro | jetscreamer: Ah, cool. Thanks. |
| 15:56.33 | abrotman | solemnwarning: packages.debian.org |
| 15:56.34 | h3sp4wn | emergetw: Its statically linked you could probably get deb's from the splashy site on alioth |
| 15:56.38 | jetscreamer | that was for the A not the a |
| 15:56.39 | h3sp4wn | emergetw: No |
| 15:56.42 | twobitsprite | emergetw: sid will always be unstable |
| 15:56.43 | bzed | solemnwarning: use apt-show-versions -a for example |
| 15:56.51 | emergetw | twobitsprite: yeah I remember that now |
| 15:56.55 | emergetw | what is the new testing? |
| 15:56.58 | jetscreamer | lenny |
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| 15:57.05 | h3sp4wn | emergetw: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/doku.php |
| 15:57.28 | Anthro | jetscreamer: It's been a long time since I saw Toy Story. Which one was Lenny? |
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| 15:57.46 | wols_ | Anthro: wikipedia has a nice list |
| 15:57.57 | jetscreamer | i don't know, i never watched it anthro |
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| 15:59.02 | Anthro | jetscreamer: Well, s.d.o is giving me the same error. I'll just wait until tomorrow. |
| 15:59.09 | smacnay | Does debian etch still need the module sysfs compiled in a kernel? |
| 15:59.16 | emergetw | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 15:59.20 | twobitsprite | so... how is a "new testing" created? do the just dump sid into a new repo? or do you all start with the old testing and start moving stuff into it? |
| 15:59.28 | jetscreamer | basically |
| 15:59.34 | wols_ | twobitsprite: 2nd way |
| 15:59.35 | jetscreamer | little more involved, but yeah |
| 15:59.39 | wols_ | fork of etch |
| 15:59.42 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 15:59.59 | twobitsprite | well then, I guess it's time to switch my sources.list to "lenny" :) |
| 16:00.15 | wols_ | good luck with the breakage |
| 16:00.29 | twobitsprite | wols_: things are broken in lenny already? |
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| 16:00.46 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
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| 16:00.52 | wols_ | considering it's still a copy of etch: I hope not |
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| 16:01.10 | pwned | real men can't run experimental, because there aren't enough packages for an OS in experimental |
| 16:01.18 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: I'm not that much of a beta whore... I like being able to assume that things will for the most part work... |
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| 16:01.47 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: it was a joke |
| 16:01.48 | Anthro | "Testing: I'll deal with some breakage, but none of that beta crap." |
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| 16:01.49 | twobitsprite | wols_: ohh... I thought you were talking to me about "breakage" |
| 16:01.53 | dfa001 | im a risk-taker all my production systems run testing |
| 16:02.04 | sanmarcos | Lenny |
| 16:02.08 | sanmarcos | wtf kinda name is that |
| 16:02.15 | twobitsprite | as in lenny kravits |
| 16:02.15 | ale1 | how do i run a .run file ? |
| 16:02.17 | twobitsprite | ? |
| 16:02.17 | h3sp4wn | dfa001: That is more risky than running unstable on them |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | sanmarcos: same as all the rest |
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| 16:02.27 | h3sp4wn | dfa001: Security wise |
| 16:02.29 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: more 'pc' than 'woody'? |
| 16:02.46 | sanmarcos | 2 debians in one day, clearly a sign of the upcoming apocalypse |
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| 16:02.48 | twobitsprite | ale1: I would assume "./foo.run" but I would also "file foo.run" first, and if it's a script, I would vi it |
| 16:02.50 | slocate | in there anyway to see the debian version from the CLI? |
| 16:02.57 | pwned | lenny is probably a toy's name. Stupid debian convention for naming repositories. |
| 16:03.04 | abrotman | !version |
| 16:03.05 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 16:03.05 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 16:03.07 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 16:03.07 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0, currently testing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 16:03.12 | dfa001 | h3sp4wn: not necesarily, i have very very restrictive policies on them |
| 16:03.26 | sanmarcos | abrotman, but I like the green dinosaur!! |
| 16:03.31 | Anthro | Ah, the binoculars. Right. |
| 16:03.35 | abrotman | sanmarcos: eh .. already used i think |
| 16:03.42 | sanmarcos | awww!! |
| 16:03.51 | abrotman | sanmarcos: that was Rex |
| 16:03.53 | abrotman | !rex |
| 16:03.53 | sanmarcos | what will happen when all the characters are used? |
| 16:03.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rex is the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 16:03.57 | abrotman | long long time ago |
| 16:04.07 | agent_ | So the day has come, Sarge is finally old(stable)! :D |
| 16:04.09 | jetscreamer | we'll start using the credits? |
| 16:04.09 | abrotman | sanmarcos: they'll figure it out then .. but they've got a ways to go |
| 16:04.24 | jetscreamer | best boy... gaffer... the voice of... |
| 16:04.27 | abrotman | sanmarcos: there is toystory2/3 .. and quite a few other pixar movies |
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| 16:04.43 | Anthro | sanmarcos: They'll start using the names of Doom monsters. |
| 16:04.46 | h3sp4wn | There is sid's dog left |
| 16:04.51 | h3sp4wn | forget what he is called |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | slinky? |
| 16:05.12 | twobitsprite | Anthro: I like that idea |
| 16:05.13 | abrotman | there are quite a few left |
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| 16:05.53 | ale1 | armyops250linux.run: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 16:05.55 | h3sp4wn | Scud |
| 16:05.57 | djib | hello |
| 16:06.19 | jetscreamer | slink was before potato |
| 16:06.22 | dalias | anyone have a link for how to properly install fonts that aren't packaged already |
| 16:06.25 | dalias | i.e. making a font package, i guess |
| 16:06.32 | dalias | heh i remember using slink :P |
| 16:06.34 | agent_ | So is Sam Hocevar the official project leader now? Or is there still some election/voting/etc that needs to be done? |
| 16:06.44 | gravity | agent_: Nope, it's official |
| 16:06.57 | jetscreamer | gravity for vice prez! |
| 16:06.58 | abrotman | still some election ? |
| 16:06.58 | sanmarcos | does Etch have a graphical installer? |
| 16:07.00 | twobitsprite | ale1: in that case, the way to run it is "./armyops250linux.run" ... |
| 16:07.05 | jetscreamer | yes sanmarcos |
| 16:07.05 | abrotman | sanmarcos: yes |
| 16:07.12 | agent_ | gravity: Cool. All this in one day! |
| 16:07.18 | gravity | jetscreamer: No way :-) |
| 16:07.24 | gravity | agent_: Yeah, it's pretty incredible |
| 16:07.25 | jetscreamer | cfo? |
| 16:07.27 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: scud isn't a toy IIRC |
| 16:07.35 | gravity | I'll just stick with the XSF for now. |
| 16:07.37 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: neithers sid |
| 16:07.38 | ale1 | Permission denied ? |
| 16:07.41 | twobitsprite | abrotman: neither was sid, correct? |
| 16:07.47 | jetscreamer | as root, ale1 |
| 16:07.52 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: sure .. but it's not a release codename |
| 16:08.05 | abrotman | i guess .. since sid is never released |
| 16:08.09 | djib | I can't get my wireless to work. I know my card uses module ipw2100 and I have it loaded in my modules, but somehow I only have eth0 (LAN) but not eth1 (Wireless). How come ? |
| 16:08.14 | abrotman | bah .. next they'll want to have Debian 4.2 Andy! |
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| 16:08.24 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 16:08.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
| 16:08.32 | ale1 | as root |
| 16:08.37 | djib | oki |
| 16:08.39 | djib | danke |
| 16:08.42 | abrotman | djib: use m-a a-i ipw2100-source |
| 16:08.45 | djib | yes |
| 16:08.55 | agent_ | So if Doom is used for naming Debian releases (oh in 8 years :), then what would be the "always breaks" codename from Doom to replace "Sid"? :) |
| 16:08.57 | Anthro | abrotman: Grrrr. The day Debian is named (indirectly) after my old advisor... |
| 16:09.03 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/87980 |
| 16:09.03 | twobitsprite | ale1: ? |
| 16:09.04 | jetscreamer | ale1: was that 'ok, as root' or 'but i was root!' |
| 16:09.04 | ale1 | h0m3:/home/alecssys# ./armyops250linux.run |
| 16:09.07 | HardDisk_WP | etch is stable? |
| 16:09.07 | ale1 | -su: ./armyops250linux.run: Permission denied |
| 16:09.08 | HardDisk_WP | cool |
| 16:09.15 | ale1 | but i was root |
| 16:09.18 | jetscreamer | ale1: chmod +x it maybe |
| 16:09.20 | twobitsprite | ale1: chmod +x |
| 16:09.26 | abrotman | Anthro: what .. my old advisor was named potato .. i don't see the problem |
| 16:09.27 | HardDisk_WP | ale1, chmod +x armyops250linux.run |
| 16:09.30 | dob1 | i am upgrating to sarge to etch but i don't want that it upgrade the kernel or it install a kernel package, i have my custom kernel compiled from source, how can i block this ? |
| 16:09.41 | ale1 | finally |
| 16:09.43 | ale1 | thx |
| 16:09.48 | jetscreamer | it won't upgrade the kernel unless you have a kernel metapackage |
| 16:09.50 | HardDisk_WP | dob1, you have to have a 2.6 kernel AFAIR |
| 16:09.50 | Anthro | abrotman: Heh. Toy Story's Andy was named that after Andy van Dam. |
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| 16:10.07 | dob1 | HardDisk_WP i have a 2.6 |
| 16:10.17 | HardDisk_WP | dob1, strange |
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| 16:10.35 | nic-noc | I have a question about amd64. I just got a new laptop that is an amd64 arch. Debian installed by default amd64. Is there a way to force the arch to i386 and install an i386 enviroment? I don't want to chroot an i386 env. |
| 16:10.42 | jetscreamer | it won't upgrade the kernel unless you have a kernel metapackage, and it won't remove your old kernel anyway so you could just boot the old one |
| 16:10.50 | sanmarcos | wow, etch is pretty cool, its packages are not outdated |
| 16:10.54 | ale1 | damn |
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| 16:11.01 | ale1 | can i bypass md5 checksum ? |
| 16:11.09 | abrotman | nic-noc: use the i386 installer |
| 16:11.17 | dob1 | HardDisk_WP: i am doing the dist-upgrade, the list of package to upgrade/install is very long and i don't know if it will upgrade the kernel, so i am asking how to prevent this :) |
| 16:11.18 | solar_sea | I've upgraded to etch, painless so far, but there's still evil in the world :) I tried to reinstall the nvidia driver and it says that my kernel is compiled with 3.3, the current gcc is 4.1 and that if it compiles a module, the 2.6 kernel would reject it. What shall I do ? |
| 16:11.23 | jetscreamer | nic-noc: jsut get an i386 install image i think |
| 16:11.30 | twobitsprite | ale1: bypass it in what? |
| 16:11.37 | dummy | hi, where can i find the pci raid cards in the kernel? |
| 16:11.43 | ale1 | Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: d02875c6b345a1edaf8d9f163b89e08f is different from dc7ebb581249712f797c6d283a8e98a5 |
| 16:11.45 | ale1 | in this |
| 16:11.48 | abrotman | dummy: ask ##kernel |
| 16:11.52 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: tell it to use gcc 3.3 |
| 16:11.55 | nic-noc | abrotman: jetscreamer: so there is no way to change the arch in a config file and apt-get update? |
| 16:11.56 | dummy | abrotman, oki thx |
| 16:12.03 | abrotman | nic-noc: nope |
| 16:12.03 | jhutchins | ale1: Don't. |
| 16:12.06 | HardDisk_WP | dob1, look for kernel-image in the remove/added list |
| 16:12.16 | twobitsprite | ale1: sounds like a problem with that program and not a debian problem... I would assume it was a bad download and would download it again |
| 16:12.21 | jetscreamer | nic-noc: i really do not know, i've only had i386 |
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| 16:12.28 | twobitsprite | ale1: if it continues, you'll have to talk to the people who gave you that script |
| 16:12.32 | nic-noc | abrotman: jetscreamer: thanks |
| 16:12.35 | solar_sea | jetscreamer and where do I find gcc 3.3 in a freshly upgraded etch from sarge ? :) |
| 16:12.42 | ale1 | haha ... i spent 2 hours to download it |
| 16:12.43 | jhutchins | ale1: That's why it does the checksum. |
| 16:13.00 | solar_sea | gcc-3.3, I see, ignore my question |
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| 16:13.24 | jetscreamer | gcc-3.3 - The GNU C compiler |
| 16:13.30 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: apt-get install it |
| 16:13.41 | solar_sea | I have it, or so it seems |
| 16:14.02 | jetscreamer | that too... you can do EXPORT or alternatives, iirc |
| 16:14.11 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives |
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| 16:14.15 | djib | what is the difference between installing ipw2100-source + using the module-assistant and installing ipw2100-modules-2.6-686 ? |
| 16:14.16 | agent_ | For those that are running Sarge, you guys sure love being on the cutting edge of Stable. Upgrading within hours of release and all. Why not wait a day or two for things to calm down and make sure everything is okay "just in case" (especially with upgrading oldstable -> stable)? |
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| 16:14.41 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: i'm not sure about the syntax of EXPORT GCC=3.3 or something similar |
| 16:15.03 | solar_sea | export cc=gcc-3.3 and it worked. [I hope it will run now :)] |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | he likely needs a new kernel |
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| 16:15.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:15.31 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: another way would have been to upgrade the kernel :/ |
| 16:16.03 | solar_sea | hurray, it ran. Now to fix the resolutions in xorg.conf |
| 16:16.04 | nic-noc | Other than being able to access more RAM what benifits would an amd64 install have over an i386 install on the same hardware? |
| 16:16.23 | sanmarcos | nic-noc, faster |
| 16:16.28 | jetscreamer | utilize 64bit instructions? |
| 16:16.30 | twobitsprite | nic-noc: it's not a matter of ram access |
| 16:16.41 | h3sp4wn | nic-noc: twice the registers |
| 16:16.55 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it can be |
| 16:17.10 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I thought they both have 64 bit address space |
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| 16:17.44 | killerstorm | helo. i have a remote server with Debian Sarge on it with 2.4.27 kernel. i'd like to update kernel to 2.6[.8]. but i have access only via SSH, so if something will go wrong, i'll have problems.. |
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| 16:17.54 | nic-noc | sanmarcos: is it really that much faster? |
| 16:17.54 | killerstorm | how safe is upgrading? |
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| 16:18.29 | twobitsprite | killerstorm: I'm more than willing to bet that it will at least boot |
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| 16:18.39 | sanmarcos | nic-noc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gezP5g48fSU at least on fully-64 bit systems and frameworks such as in Os X Leopard, yes it smokes 32 bits on big apps |
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| 16:19.01 | twobitsprite | killerstorm: unless you have a very strange setup... I've never had etch simply fail to boot |
| 16:19.04 | sanmarcos | nic-noc, watch the demo at the end |
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| 16:19.35 | Roey | hey congrats :) |
| 16:19.40 | wols_ | twobitsprite: I did talk about breakage, yes |
| 16:19.43 | Roey | abrotman: yo |
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| 16:19.52 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:19.54 | killerstorm | when sarge was testing, i had non-bootable kernel once, as i remember.. |
| 16:19.55 | Roey | abrotman: it's great that Etch released already! |
| 16:19.59 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:20.00 | El_Guillermo | just woke up and saw the front page |
| 16:20.00 | Roey | abrotman: good afternoon! |
| 16:20.03 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:20.05 | agent_ | Wow, so Debian.org may actually get a face lift. Rhytidectomy anyone? :) |
| 16:20.05 | El_Guillermo | now to update |
| 16:20.06 | Roey | hi |
| 16:20.07 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:20.10 | Roey | :) |
| 16:20.22 | gravity | debian.org just needs to become the wiki |
| 16:20.25 | Roey | agent_: eh? :) |
| 16:20.27 | killerstorm | well, do i need something except aptitude install kernel-image-... to update kernel? change grub config? |
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| 16:20.37 | abrotman | gravity: if the wiki were a bit better .. i'd agree |
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| 16:20.39 | wols_ | killerstorm: no |
| 16:20.46 | yell0w | woooooot! |
| 16:20.55 | abrotman | gravity: there's vandalism on the wiki!!! |
| 16:21.06 | solar_sea | There seems to be something wrong with the fonts .. when I was using sarge the fonts in X were different. |
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| 16:21.23 | liotto | why is there a slight pause when performing 'su' to root |
| 16:21.30 | liotto | shouldn't it be fast? |
| 16:21.32 | Roey | whatever happened to #etch+1 |
| 16:21.37 | agent_ | Roey: The new project leader wants to redesign the debian.org website (among a lot of other things): http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/platforms/sho |
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| 16:21.54 | agent_ | liotto: Type the password faster? :D |
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| 16:22.04 | twobitsprite | liotto: do you have something taking a long time in the .bashrc |
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| 16:22.24 | liotto | ahhh |
| 16:22.32 | agent_ | Roey: My guess is it's #etch+1 is #debian :) |
| 16:22.34 | kakarot | hi,i have a via epia mainboard with debian. sometimes, the system gets frozen. how can i find what is happening? |
| 16:22.41 | liotto | I better check the .bashrc file for root |
| 16:22.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, lsb_release -a, still tells me that I'm using etch, shouldnt it tell me lenny? |
| 16:23.06 | jduggan_ | kakarot: nothing in syslog? |
| 16:23.29 | liotto | yup |
| 16:23.32 | agent_ | kakarot: Make sure your memory is okay. Bad memory can feeze systems up unexpectedly. |
| 16:23.36 | liotto | it's .bashrc file, thank you!! |
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| 16:23.52 | jetscreamer | Roey: you're thinking ubuntu |
| 16:23.53 | twobitsprite | so, is it worth doing the dist-upgrade to lenny? has much changed already? |
| 16:23.53 | kakarot | jduggan_ i dont't know |
| 16:23.56 | Roey | agent_: interesting post; when did Sam post that? |
| 16:23.58 | Roey | jetscreamer: heh |
| 16:24.05 | Roey | jetscreamer: I was about to jump ship to Ubuntu actually. |
| 16:24.06 | jetscreamer | the what, twobitsprite ? |
| 16:24.15 | jetscreamer | it's #ubuntu+1 |
| 16:24.20 | Roey | jetscreamer: it just worksTM |
| 16:24.22 | Roey | jetscreamer: sort of |
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| 16:24.30 | Roey | jetscreamer: what's #ubuntu+1 ? |
| 16:24.34 | Roey | jetscreamer: OH, right, right. |
| 16:24.39 | Roey | jetscreamer: feisty fawn. |
| 16:24.44 | Roey | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 16:24.44 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:25.01 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: what were you running before, or now rather? |
| 16:25.07 | twobitsprite | etch |
| 16:25.10 | Roey | why would I want to use apt-get upgrade over apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:25.12 | djib | I have installed the ipw2100-module-2.6-686 but I still don't get a eth1 interface :S |
| 16:25.40 | twobitsprite | Roey: upgrade is more conservative... check the apt-get man page |
| 16:25.41 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: you shouldn't even be able to tell, right now... in a day or week it might change |
| 16:25.49 | Roey | twobitsprite: I checked. |
| 16:25.53 | jetscreamer | but atm they should be practically identical |
| 16:25.57 | Roey | twobitsprite: I'm still wondering when someone would use apt-get upgrade. |
| 16:26.06 | Roey | jetscreamer: ah, they should be identical, ok |
| 16:26.10 | agent_ | Roey: No idea. But every canidate had a post like that. See this page: http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_001 |
| 16:26.16 | Roey | ah |
| 16:26.17 | Roey | thanks |
| 16:26.18 | twobitsprite | Roey: I guess if you were afraid that dist-upgrade would break things |
| 16:26.26 | numan | jetscreamer: u there |
| 16:26.28 | Roey | oh I see |
| 16:26.31 | Roey | twobitsprite: ok, got it |
| 16:26.45 | jetscreamer | numan: just ask, and let everybody have a chance to help |
| 16:26.54 | twobitsprite | ohh yeah... do I need a new gpg key? |
| 16:27.04 | twobitsprite | says packages can't be authenticated |
| 16:27.04 | agent_ | "it just works" and "sort of" kind of negate each other, right? :) |
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| 16:27.12 | numan | how to remove unwanted software like xbith irc client? |
| 16:27.23 | twobitsprite | numan: apt-get remove ? |
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| 16:27.29 | numan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.30 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-get remove --purge <packagename> |
| 16:27.34 | abrotman | numan: man aptitude .. read it .. all of it |
| 16:27.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:27.40 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-get remove --purge bitchx |
| 16:27.53 | wols_ | abrotman: do you honestly think this would help? |
| 16:27.56 | Roey | what is this DPL that Sam Hocevar talks about? |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | wols_: reading? |
| 16:28.04 | wols_ | !dpl |
| 16:28.04 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 16:28.08 | jetscreamer | numan: you might want to get used to aptitude instead of apt-get btw |
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| 16:28.12 | agent_ | numan: There are many different ways. My prefered way is to use aptitude, but there is also apt-get, synaptic (gnome) and probably about 5 other programs out there. |
| 16:28.12 | wols_ | abrotman: anything you say to him |
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| 16:28.26 | abrotman | wols_: i'm not one to use /ig .. but it's getting close |
| 16:28.30 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: why? |
| 16:28.45 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: why what, sorry |
| 16:28.47 | Roey | Shachar: hey, nice nick |
| 16:28.52 | corey | hey i wanted to know what is more bleeding edge debian unstable or ubuntu? |
| 16:28.53 | agent_ | Roey: Sam Hocevar is the DPL now (he was elected today). |
| 16:28.55 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: aptitude over apt-get |
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| 16:29.07 | Roey | agent_: ohhhh I see, right, debian project leader |
| 16:29.07 | Shachar | Roey, that's my name |
| 16:29.14 | Roey | Shachar: in israel now? |
| 16:29.15 | Shachar | credit goes to my parents |
| 16:29.18 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: ah. because numan might like the logfiles and stuff |
| 16:29.19 | Roey | heh |
| 16:29.23 | nic-noc | sanmarcos: sold, it's wonderful... except that some software tools I want are not available for amd64 yet. |
| 16:29.33 | Roey | Shachar: I suppose so. |
| 16:29.46 | twobitsprite | corey: probably depends on the package, etc... |
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| 16:29.51 | pupeno | Hello. |
| 16:29.57 | Roey | Shachar: for what it's worth there's an #israel channel here, as well as #gnuil |
| 16:30.00 | vy | Which package do you guys suggest for XML (wrt XML Schema and/or DTD) validation? |
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| 16:30.03 | pupeno | Does the new Debian, Etch, support encrypted root (/) ? |
| 16:30.15 | twobitsprite | corey: as with anything else, if you want the absolutely most bleening edge of something, you should be using the CVS/SVN of that program |
| 16:30.17 | gravity | corey: Debian unstable versus Ubuntu stable? Unstable is way more bleeding edge normally. |
| 16:30.22 | sanmarcos | nic-noc, its wonderful in Os X Leopard because it makes full use of it, that is the whole system, its graphical framewrosk and so on. For a desktop user it will probably be more of a pain than benefit, as very little few apps use 64-bit address space. And a lot is missing (i.e, flash) |
| 16:30.41 | Roey | gravity: no one could answer me on that definitively |
| 16:30.41 | sanmarcos | nic-noc, its great for servers though |
| 16:30.45 | Shachar | Roey, and does anything *interesting* happen there? :-) |
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| 16:30.55 | gravity | Roey: True |
| 16:31.00 | nic-noc | sanmarcos: yes. I had to copy that link to another computer that had flash so I could watch it. |
| 16:31.01 | Roey | Shachar: we get into arguments about where the weather is better |
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| 16:31.23 | Shachar | no thanks. I can do without weather talk |
| 16:31.33 | nic-noc | sanmarcos: It's also too bad I'm running debian, not OSX |
| 16:31.43 | Roey | Shachar: eyfo ata sham |
| 16:31.47 | Shachar | I'm here mostly to do FOSS work, not so much to socialize |
| 16:31.49 | twobitsprite | pupeno: yes |
| 16:31.53 | Roey | Shachar: ahhh |
| 16:31.57 | Roey | Shachar: what do you do? |
| 16:32.10 | sanmarcos | nic-noc, it could be worse.. |
| 16:32.13 | Roey | Shachar: my reasoning is that I'm trying to find some interesting work there |
| 16:32.13 | pupeno | twobitsprite: awesome! |
| 16:32.29 | Shachar | I'm a Debian Developer, wrote the BiDi support for Wine, have a couple of FOSS projects to my name, founded Hamakor |
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| 16:32.35 | twobitsprite | pupeno: the installer has an option for encrypted LVM |
| 16:32.51 | Shachar | oh, that? http://www.lingnu.com |
| 16:33.05 | Roey | Shachar: you founded Hamakor? em.. Amiram lo? |
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| 16:33.20 | Roey | Shachar: if you were at August Penguin '05... I was there too |
| 16:33.37 | Shachar | founded it, and am a board member there |
| 16:33.39 | Roey | or Aviram, not sure. |
| 16:33.42 | Roey | Shachar: ahhh |
| 16:33.46 | nic-noc | sanmarcos: I think I'll just reinstall with debian i386 so I can get the software I need |
| 16:33.51 | Roey | Shachar: perfect, I was hoping to meet someone there. |
| 16:34.06 | Roey | Shachar: there's a guy named aviram or amiram there right? |
| 16:34.12 | Shachar | Aviram |
| 16:34.16 | Roey | yes yes |
| 16:34.20 | numan | i get installed many irc chat clients but they are not listed |
| 16:34.21 | Roey | Shachar: so what does he do there? |
| 16:34.25 | Shachar | you looking for a job in Israel? |
| 16:34.32 | Shachar | Just part of the community |
| 16:34.39 | Roey | Shachar: I'm looking to move there eventually |
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| 16:35.56 | agent_ | Roey: Since you were "about to jump ship", read this: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03788.html |
| 16:36.42 | Dave_is_sexy | can anyone tell me of a tool which can back up and restore whole partitions to DVD? Does GnomeBaker or K3b have the ability? |
| 16:37.22 | solar_sea | Is there a way to disable the font anti-aliasing in gtk/qt apps ? |
| 16:37.46 | agent_ | Dave_is_sexy: dd? |
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| 16:38.02 | Dave_is_sexy | agent_: dd? |
| 16:38.04 | piper69 | how can i kill a proccess. Kill # doesn't kill it |
| 16:38.11 | agent_ | !dd |
| 16:38.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 16:38.28 | Dave_is_sexy | agent_: what is !dd? |
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| 16:38.30 | twobitsprite | is there a firefox flash plugin for amd64? if not, how should I install 32-bit iceweasel? |
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| 16:38.43 | jetscreamer | Dave_is_sexy: it would have to be a small partition eh |
| 16:38.53 | jetscreamer | oh, multiple dvd's..nm |
| 16:38.56 | twobitsprite | piper69: kill -9 |
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| 16:39.09 | Dave_is_sexy | jetscreamer: I always keep OS partitions small |
| 16:39.11 | numan | twobitsprite: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 16:39.14 | piper69 | twobitsprite: what does -9 stand for |
| 16:39.21 | jetscreamer | sig 9 |
| 16:39.40 | otro_viajero_77 | what sarge isos do i need to install the x window system with the kde desktop? |
| 16:39.45 | piper69 | sig 9? |
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| 16:40.05 | Roey | agent_: thank you |
| 16:40.08 | agent_ | Dave_is_sexy: see dpkg's response. Type man dd for the dd manual (hence why it's called "man")... or google dd or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix) there is so much info on dd everywhere |
| 16:40.14 | twobitsprite | piper69: signal number 9... it's the KILL signal, as opposed to the default TERM signal... |
| 16:40.16 | numan | i am seeing that many are using chatzilla |
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| 16:40.29 | twobitsprite | piper69: anyways... just to "kill -9 <pid>" |
| 16:40.29 | proog | does the etch netinst support ipw2200 out-of-the-box? |
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| 16:40.43 | abrotman | no |
| 16:40.48 | agent_ | Dave_is_sexy: I am not sure what you want, but dd should work very well so long as your partition is smaller than your media (cd or dvd) |
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| 16:41.11 | agent_ | proog: ipw2200 is non-free as it requires firmware, so it is not installed by default. |
| 16:41.30 | numan | abrotman: is debian use any pagefile like windows? |
| 16:41.46 | twobitsprite | numan: just installing iceweasel will install the 32-bit version? |
| 16:41.47 | agent_ | Dave_is_sexy: But if you just want a backup solution, you probably want something else. dd will make an exact copy of *everything* which is probably not what you want. |
| 16:41.53 | abrotman | numan: swap |
| 16:41.59 | robin_sz | we call it swap |
| 16:42.04 | proog | agent_: do you know if the ipw2200 drivers are in apt (not the firmware)? |
| 16:42.06 | numan | abrotman: ok |
| 16:42.21 | agent_ | !ipw2200 |
| 16:42.22 | dpkg | ipw2200 is, like, a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 16:42.23 | jetscreamer | numan: swap partitions.. but you 'can' have a swap 'file' |
| 16:42.24 | numan | twobitsprite: yes |
| 16:42.27 | Dave_is_sexy | agent_: cool cheers. will read it. I'm looking to back up an OS partition to DVD such that I can use the DVD to reinstate the OS at a later date via self boot and restore |
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| 16:44.22 | agent_ | Dave_is_sexy: Maybe try out dar instead. That will backup files, instead of creating an iso of the partition. The reason dar may be prefered is that you can restore it, or parts of it, on any partition that will fit the contents. dd will make an exact copy and require you to have the partition be the exact same, specifically, the same size wise. |
| 16:44.51 | agent_ | numan: swap partition is considered better than a swap file. |
| 16:45.15 | yanmorin | hum, there is an error in /debian/README |
| 16:45.19 | YBH_1 | Hi I can't get the bittorrent debian 4.0 download to work. anyone know of a place to download it? I have tried the mirrors in the USA, but none of them have 4.0 for download. TIA |
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| 16:45.27 | efaistos | hi |
| 16:45.34 | piper69 | i killed a proccess using kill -9 pid and i get "SIGHUP received, redirecting output to `wget-log.1'." |
| 16:45.38 | efaistos | webmin is not available in etch ? |
| 16:45.49 | agent_ | Dave_is_sexy: Maybe check out forums.debian.net and search for backup (or browse the how-to section for it) |
| 16:45.53 | numan | can i use usb storage device in debian? |
| 16:46.03 | efaistos | numan: of course ;) |
| 16:46.05 | YBH_1 | yes numan |
| 16:46.09 | piper69 | numan: yes you can |
| 16:46.26 | numan | ok i try hope it works well? |
| 16:46.27 | infernix | ipmi rocks |
| 16:46.28 | proog | agent_: so i just have to copy the firmware in there i guess? |
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| 16:46.42 | dfa001 | Dave_is_sexy: check out g4l |
| 16:46.42 | twobitsprite | hmm... debian just froze on me! this is the second time! |
| 16:46.49 | Vasistha | !tell efaistos about p.d.o |
| 16:46.49 | Dave_is_sexy | agent_: gotcha. I have always had things the way that dd does them, but it would be worth looking at dar if it has that advantage. and i shall check the logs - though perhaps in the newsgroup first :-) |
| 16:46.50 | corey | do you really need to download the 3 dvd version? |
| 16:46.52 | infernix | twobitsprite: "froze"? |
| 16:46.54 | piper69 | numan: what are you intentions, are you planning to use the usb between linux and windows? |
| 16:46.59 | twobitsprite | I'm on a brand new Dell amd64 machine |
| 16:47.01 | Dave_is_sexy | dfa001: g4 gotcha |
| 16:47.25 | twobitsprite | infernix: yeah... as in, no mouse or keyboard response... I even tried alt-sysrq-R, ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 16:47.25 | piper69 | twobitsprite: i didn't know that dell makes amd64 |
| 16:47.32 | twobitsprite | piper69: yep |
| 16:47.43 | piper69 | they do |
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| 16:48.02 | infernix | twobitsprite: any way to see if it's totally crashing or that it's just the console (e.g. can you still ssh into it from elsewhere)? |
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| 16:48.35 | twobitsprite | infernix: I have no other box on the network to test that... but alt-sysrq-R should let me do a ctrl-alt-f2 to get a vterm |
| 16:48.38 | Vasistha | twobitsprite: the kernel can hang if there's a driver issue. e.g. my system hangs if I try to unload the wireless driver module |
| 16:48.57 | enouf | !today |
| 16:49.28 | dpkg | YeeeHahhh, Paw!! As of April 8th, 2007 : The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development; http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 ...also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 16:49.29 | twobitsprite | Vasistha: I wasn't messing with anty drivers... but it's possible I don't have all of the, i.e., bios drivers, etc |
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| 16:49.29 | robin_sz | wonder when my bcm43xx driver is going to support 54mbs? |
| 16:49.32 | fasta | Can I restart the sound system (ALSA)? |
| 16:49.36 | Vasistha | twobitsprite: any recollection of what you were doing when it hung? |
| 16:49.37 | fasta | I think it crashed |
| 16:49.39 | agent_ | efaistos: http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/webmin.html |
| 16:49.43 | liotto | Was this final release of Etch, the next step from Etch RC2? |
| 16:49.44 | piper69 | is etch stable now! |
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| 16:49.50 | Vasistha | fasta: try ... I think ... /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 16:49.53 | robin_sz | apparently |
| 16:49.55 | Vasistha | fasta: or, force-restart |
| 16:50.10 | twobitsprite | Vasistha: I had just closed iceweasel a couple second before hand, and I only had 2 x-terms open, one with irssi... I'm running enlightenment on xorg |
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| 16:50.39 | Vasistha | liotto: well, this is probably not the "final" release of etch, because in the future several revisions will probably be released. But this is *the* official release of etch. |
| 16:51.13 | twobitsprite | piper69: /topic |
| 16:51.25 | liotto | Vasistha, of course, but this release of Etch today was the next revision from RC2? Like was there RC3...? |
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| 16:51.34 | abrotman | numan: don't DCC me stuff .. i don't want it |
| 16:51.46 | flipp | hi can somebody help me with this problmehttp://paste.debian.net/25204 |
| 16:51.49 | Dave_is_sex1 | hey it kicked me off :( |
| 16:51.49 | piper69 | !topic |
| 16:52.07 | Vasistha | flipp: hmm, if you had managed to put a space before http that would be a clickable link... |
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| 16:52.23 | flipp | http://paste.debian.net/25204 sorry |
| 16:52.23 | fasta | Vasistha: all the sounds are "Off" when I load alsamixer. |
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| 16:52.30 | Dave_is_sex1 | I found one called Partimage, if anyone give give feedback for that program? |
| 16:52.32 | twobitsprite | can someone please try to help me figure out why my system in freezing? |
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| 16:53.01 | flipp | i have there some problemes with gpg or? |
| 16:53.19 | Vasistha | twobitsprite: have you tried to narrow it down at all? |
| 16:53.23 | piper69 | Vasistha: when i click on anylink from my irssi it doesn't open in the browser i use iceweasel |
| 16:53.32 | fasta | Vasistha: I will reboot |
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| 16:53.38 | Vasistha | fasta: wait |
| 16:53.51 | Vasistha | fasta: keep in mind I don't actually run alsa, so you should really be asking the channel these q's |
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| 16:54.03 | twobitsprite | Vasistha: I don't even know where to begin... I suppose I could try running without X, but it was running for a day and a half before crashing, so I don't want to be stuck in console that long or longer |
| 16:54.22 | Vasistha | piper69: ahh, well you're suffering from a non-gui irc client ;-) |
| 16:54.59 | Vasistha | twobitsprite: alright, well that just sucks. what does uname -a say? you can paste it in-channel, it's only one line |
| 16:55.10 | nykkto | hahah with irssi, and zinc I just need 3 terminal windows |
| 16:55.14 | twobitsprite | Linux daeton 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 14:29:38 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:55.16 | robin_sz | so, tell me ... I have a boxen running etch, now its gone stable, do I need to do anything special? change the apt sources or anything? |
| 16:55.36 | LightKnight | robin_sz: what do you want to keep up with? Stable or Testing? |
| 16:55.39 | twobitsprite | robin_sz: not unless you want to run lenny |
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| 16:55.55 | agent_ | nykkto: Try screen and you will only need one. :) |
| 16:56.08 | robin_sz | OK, |
| 16:56.10 | YBH_1 | ok which CD's do I need to download to install debian? |
| 16:56.16 | robin_sz | and what about my old Sarge box? |
| 16:56.18 | nykkto | humm,, never used it, heard of it thogh |
| 16:56.19 | Vasistha | YBH_1: minimally, only the net install cd |
| 16:56.20 | Mr_Dave | good job everyone |
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| 16:56.26 | Mr_Dave | just wanted to stop in and say congratulations |
| 16:56.36 | YBH_1 | I can't use the net install CD |
| 16:56.55 | robin_sz | should I upgrade my sarge to etch now? |
| 16:56.56 | Vasistha | YBH_1: if you're planning to install on more than one machine, then maybe you'll want to just get the first CD iso, that will probably be enough to get you going |
| 16:57.08 | YBH_1 | TU Vasistha |
| 16:57.08 | twobitsprite | has anyone else had a problem with debian on amd64? |
| 16:57.20 | Roey | agent_: I read the post but still don't understand |
| 16:57.25 | yanmorin | twobitsprite, yes |
| 16:57.34 | Roey | agent_: Does Debian plan to 'catch up' to Ubuntu? |
| 16:57.36 | twobitsprite | yanmorin: what kind... freezing? |
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| 16:57.46 | Roey | agent_: (if the common perception isthat Ubuntu supplants Debian, that is) |
| 16:57.49 | twobitsprite | Roey: what kind of question is that? |
| 16:57.58 | Vasistha | Roey: in your terms, probably not |
| 16:58.02 | Roey | ok. |
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| 16:58.15 | Roey | naa don't get me wrong, I'm using Debian now since 2000. |
| 16:58.25 | yanmorin | twobitsprite, not able to install because of apic, ldap problem, freezing because of infinite loop (only detectable with 64 bits integer) |
| 16:58.30 | piper69 | how can i know which debian version i am running now |
| 16:58.33 | agent_ | I was not aware that Debian needs to catch up in anything really. |
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| 16:58.37 | Vasistha | piper69: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:58.45 | bzed | Roey: for a lot of packages ubuntu has to catch up debian |
| 16:58.46 | Roey | agent_: well the installer, for one thing. |
| 16:58.53 | Roey | bzed: ah. |
| 16:58.59 | twobitsprite | Roey: what's wrong with the installer? |
| 16:59.01 | agent_ | Vasistha: Do you have that bound to a key by now? :D |
| 16:59.02 | bzed | Roey: if you're using stuff from unstable, there's nothign to catch up at all imho |
| 16:59.09 | Roey | My perception of Ubuntu has been colored mostly by its wonderful installer. |
| 16:59.19 | Roey | bzed: I've only ever used Unstable on my home box |
| 16:59.22 | piper69 | Vasistha: that was it , thank you . i was just typing debian_version |
| 16:59.28 | Vasistha | Roey: debian's sporting a graphical installer now, but I should also point out that ubuntu certainly didn't pioneer that; a lot of other distros were doing that before ubuntu existed |
| 16:59.35 | twobitsprite | Roey: it seems most peoples' have as well... but that's just a matter of flash graphics, not functionality |
| 16:59.38 | Roey | twobitsprite: somehow I find Ubuntu more appealing in installaiton. Aside from that they're practically the same to me. |
| 16:59.44 | yanmorin | Vasistha, redhat 7.3 ;p |
| 16:59.45 | Vasistha | agent_: which, debian_version? no, I just type fast ;-) |
| 16:59.50 | Roey | Vasistha: ah |
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| 17:00.09 | twobitsprite | Roey: when I trie ubuntu (couple months ago) it was horribly broken in many ways |
| 17:00.10 | Roey | Vasistha: the reason I want to install Debian, and /not/ Ubuntu, |
| 17:00.27 | flipp | ttp://paste.debian.net/25204 can somebody help me bei this gpg error |
| 17:00.45 | Roey | Vasistha: is that Ubuntu makes it difficult for me to boot from LILO, which is the boot manager that supports softraid1 + XFS on / (unlike GRUB) |
| 17:00.56 | efaistos | Vasistha: i know apt-cache show but it seems that webmin is contained in another package ... |
| 17:01.02 | efaistos | s/show/search |
| 17:01.09 | abrotman | flipp: /topic |
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| 17:01.15 | Roey | twobitsprite: oh, Ubuntu gave me a lot of difficulty in '05. |
| 17:01.17 | Roey | too |
| 17:01.17 | Vasistha | efaistos: hum, did you ask google? :P |
| 17:01.36 | twobitsprite | Roey: that and the fixed release dates are killing them, last I heard |
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| 17:01.44 | Vasistha | flipp: you need to import the apt-key for the repository you're trying to use... |
| 17:01.46 | Roey | twobitsprite: ah |
| 17:01.54 | efaistos | Vasistha: i checked in packaged.debian.org and only see it in stable .. |
| 17:02.04 | yanmorin | packages.debian.org don't seem updated last time I check |
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| 17:02.38 | efaistos | nobody use webmin ? |
| 17:02.38 | yanmorin | oh, updated now |
| 17:02.40 | kuba | does anyone use SAMBA? |
| 17:03.08 | flipp | vasistha: how i can do that |
| 17:03.12 | Vasistha | efaistos: yeah, I noticed that, too. |
| 17:03.18 | yanmorin | efaistos, last time I tried to use webmin on a debian-like system, apache recompilation was needed |
| 17:03.24 | Vasistha | !tell kuba about ask |
| 17:03.37 | efaistos | yanmorin: okay ... will do it n$manually then |
| 17:03.43 | HymnToLife | !webmin |
| 17:03.43 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:04.01 | Roey | hahaha |
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| 17:04.51 | Vasistha | flipp: this should point you in the right direction: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 17:06.52 | enouf | /msg dpkg no, i-g is <reply> I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:06.52 | enouf | [13:03:53] [dpkg] okay |
| 17:07.04 | yanmorin | hum.. packages.debian.org seems to be updating right now, not every links work |
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| 17:07.57 | x_link | Why can't I use sudo with deborphan? |
| 17:08.14 | x_link | I must really change to root and then do it. |
| 17:08.16 | x_link | What's the difference? |
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| 17:09.08 | jetscreamer | i dunno, but there are a few things that want true root, sudo doesn't cut it |
| 17:09.13 | jetscreamer | few/couple |
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| 17:09.32 | jetscreamer | maybe fakeroot works better in those cases... never tried. |
| 17:09.33 | agent_ | Does aptitude (the gui) handle dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:09.41 | Vasistha | enouf: uhhh, those two links are the *same* in your i-g factoid |
| 17:09.51 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist-upgrade should work iirc |
| 17:09.52 | x_link | jetscreamer: fakeroot? Never heard of that. |
| 17:10.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install fakeroot |
| 17:10.10 | enouf | Vasistha: look again .. one says sarge .. the other says stable |
| 17:10.11 | agent_ | jetscreamer: So I take it there is no way to run dist-upgrade from inside the gui? |
| 17:10.15 | x_link | jetscreamer: Okej. |
| 17:10.19 | jetscreamer | agent_: i don't know |
| 17:10.19 | Vasistha | !i-g |
| 17:10.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:10.26 | enouf | Vasistha: i know it fooled me too :-P |
| 17:10.32 | Vasistha | enouf: maybe I am blind........ |
| 17:10.37 | enouf | whoops |
| 17:10.40 | enouf | wait |
| 17:10.46 | enouf | i just reedited it |
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| 17:11.09 | enouf | !di |
| 17:11.10 | x_link | jetscreamer: fakeroot aptitude install irssi ? |
| 17:11.10 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 17:11.47 | enouf | !d-i |
| 17:11.47 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 17:12.58 | v`nix | does anyone know how to get MTP devices to be recognized, im having the hardest time finding a howto or faq on it. im trying to connect a Zen Microphoto to backup my music |
| 17:13.02 | Vasistha | enouf: would you like me to fix i-g? |
| 17:13.45 | enouf | Vasistha: thanks .. but no .. I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment .. i got it though .. thanks |
| 17:13.59 | jetscreamer | x_link: not sure, i don't actually 'use' fakeroot, i just know about it |
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| 17:14.14 | mirshafie | how can i automatically generate an xorg.conf? |
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| 17:14.31 | x_link | jetscreamer: Well it doesn't work like that |
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| 17:14.53 | vchrizz | hi |
| 17:14.58 | vchrizz | could someone help me with mdadm and adding a device? i dont understand why i get "device busy" from mdadm -a when im able to mount the partition... http://rafb.net/p/2mPCbM65.html |
| 17:16.36 | enouf | !i-g |
| 17:16.37 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:16.41 | enouf | !ig |
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| 17:16.41 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:16.44 | chowmeined | its out its out! |
| 17:16.48 | chowmeined | i cant believe it |
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| 17:16.57 | enouf | sorry for flood folks .. |
| 17:17.21 | yanmorin | mirshafie, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 17:17.23 | jetscreamer | enouf: Lenny is now the new Testing! too many spaces |
| 17:17.33 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:18.00 | x_link | enouf: Have a minute in pm? |
| 17:18.01 | Fudge^2 | jetscreamer, maybe it's a dramatical pause. ;P |
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| 17:18.09 | setog3 | hi all |
| 17:18.19 | enouf | x_link: not now .. in a few maybe |
| 17:18.42 | x_link | enouf: It's okey now mate =) |
| 17:18.45 | x_link | Thanks anyway. |
| 17:19.34 | nykkto | could some one refresh my brain and tell me how to tell my terminal to use bksp to delete stuff |
| 17:19.48 | abrotman | ctrl-h ? |
| 17:20.33 | nykkto | yah I have not had to do that in YEARS |
| 17:20.54 | me_here | use setterm ? |
| 17:20.56 | xand | !wwer |
| 17:20.56 | dpkg | IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html |
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| 17:21.20 | nykkto | humm I wonder what "it" is |
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| 17:22.07 | xand | etch |
| 17:22.13 | nykkto | ahh |
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| 17:22.29 | jetscreamer | there is no etch |
| 17:22.33 | jetscreamer | ing |
| 17:23.34 | SerajewelKS | haha i love it |
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| 17:23.50 | SerajewelKS | "Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in place, without any forced downtime" |
| 17:23.53 | SerajewelKS | what a load of crap |
| 17:23.59 | flipp | vasistha sorry but i couldn´t find the problem |
| 17:24.06 | flipp | can you help me again? |
| 17:24.18 | Vasistha | flipp: ahh, you read all about SecureApt, and you don't know what to do? |
| 17:24.40 | SerajewelKS | if downtime means that the computer is off, then yes, i suppose, but if it means critical services aren't running, then no |
| 17:24.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: stop reading slashdot |
| 17:25.14 | jetscreamer | !tell flipp -about ask |
| 17:25.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm not, i just know that every time i dist-upgrade, apache gets stopped pretty much from when the upgrade starts until it ends |
| 17:25.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i would consider that downtime |
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| 17:25.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: mysql as well |
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| 17:26.11 | abrotman | that's a 1 second downtime ? |
| 17:26.18 | abrotman | !why is blah not in testing |
| 17:26.19 | dpkg | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 17:26.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no it's not. apache gets stopped when apt is "preparing to replace" until after it's done "setting up" |
| 17:26.45 | jetscreamer | if you had apache clusters you could do one box at a time... |
| 17:26.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ditto other services |
| 17:26.49 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:26.52 | abrotman | eh .. testing is about to get ugly http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 17:26.53 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: yes, of course |
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| 17:27.23 | setog3 | I don't understand exactly when I go to critical bug 2 days ago I read 64 bug .. and now etch is release ? debian release etch with 0 bug ? or no ? |
| 17:27.27 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: so you can do it "without any forced downtime" if you have a cluster, otherwise, you get downtime |
| 17:27.44 | abrotman | freaking 1800+ packages tonight ... |
| 17:27.53 | SerajewelKS | just seems like shady wording to me |
| 17:28.08 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: i'm just being <something> dont mind me |
| 17:28.55 | SerajewelKS | shrug, i'd still rather upgrade from sarge to etch than from windows server 2000 to windows server 2003... |
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| 17:29.35 | agent_ | abrotman: Wow, that sounds scary. :) |
| 17:29.55 | abrotman | maybe it's not accurate |
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| 17:30.04 | robin_sz | so, I just change the words "sarge" to "etch" in my sources.list and udate and then upgrade? |
| 17:30.11 | sanmarcos | amazing! |
| 17:30.15 | v`nix | No one knows, or uses MTP devices on their box? |
| 17:30.19 | abrotman | robin_sz: dist-upgrade |
| 17:30.35 | robin_sz | ummm |
| 17:30.52 | robin_sz | so I dont need to change the sources.list, that command does it all? |
| 17:30.58 | jetscreamer | wait i've got to know: is that stupid allow-hotplug eth? still in /etc/network/interfaces? will etch internet connectivity bork out after a reboot or two, for me, as it has EVERY time i install? |
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| 17:31.13 | agent_ | robin_sz: No, you change the source list, then you do a dist-upgrade |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | robin_sz: you have to do both |
| 17:31.21 | robin_sz | right |
| 17:31.32 | robin_sz | but no apt-get update? |
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| 17:31.34 | agent_ | robin_sz: It is a 5 second job really (not counting the actual upgrade) |
| 17:31.48 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:31.49 | xand | robin_sz: change sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get distr-upgrade |
| 17:31.55 | xand | -r |
| 17:31.59 | robin_sz | oh, ok |
| 17:32.15 | setog3 | hmm yeah... in http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ we can read 64 bugs |
| 17:32.27 | xand | jetscreamer: you can remove the hotplug stuff from interfaces |
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| 17:32.33 | enouf | !rc bugs |
| 17:32.33 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 17:32.40 | robin_sz | oh, weird, lots of 404s in the sourceslist |
| 17:33.01 | nihraguk | whats the difference between dist-upgrade and just upgrading the individual packages via aptitude? |
| 17:33.02 | SerajewelKS | robin_sz: bad mirror, or typo |
| 17:33.03 | abrotman | robin_sz: pasteyour sources |
| 17:33.06 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:33.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 17:33.10 | SerajewelKS | nihraguk: man aptitude |
| 17:33.14 | agent_ | robin_sz: sources.list tells your system what repositories you want, so that is why you need to change it from etch to testing if you want lenny (testing), update updates the list on your computer, dist-upgrade upgrades the whole distribution (upgrade just upgrades non-critical packages, which is not the same thing) |
| 17:33.16 | enouf | not any more.. i suppose .. dunno ... who wantsresponsibilty for that one? |
| 17:33.20 | nihraguk | SerajewelKS: k thanks |
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| 17:33.35 | abrotman | robin_sz: anything that's not a legit source should be commented out |
| 17:33.39 | jetscreamer | xand: yes i know, i have to change it every time. i'm just wondering if it will still break. |
| 17:33.42 | abrotman | erm .. a Debian source |
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| 17:33.59 | agent_ | nihraguk: aptitude dist-upgrade exists too you know. |
| 17:34.09 | numan | abrotman: how to edit grub boot loader? |
| 17:34.11 | robin_sz | http://www.pastebin.ca/430013 |
| 17:34.13 | enouf | abrotman: grand slam alexrod the man! :-) |
| 17:34.13 | dvs | !tell me about wwer |
| 17:34.26 | nihraguk | agent_: yes, i was asking about the difference between dist-upgrade and ... just upgrade i guess |
| 17:34.27 | jetscreamer | numan: nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst maybe |
| 17:34.34 | abrotman | robin_sz: no more non-us |
| 17:34.35 | enouf | I added a few words there dvs an xand;-) |
| 17:34.36 | SerajewelKS | nihraguk: the manpage tells you |
| 17:34.45 | robin_sz | agent_, going sarge to etch |
| 17:34.46 | nihraguk | SerajewelKS: yup, just read it, thanks |
| 17:34.50 | robin_sz | abrotman, right |
| 17:34.51 | agent_ | nihraguk: Read my above comment to robin_sz |
| 17:34.52 | abrotman | robin_sz: and i think that'll be it .. there hasn't been non-us for a while |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | robin_sz: so comment it out/delete it |
| 17:35.02 | numan | jetscreamer: should i remove the older kernels listed in boot loader |
| 17:35.07 | agent_ | robin_sz: Same thing applies sarge -> etch. |
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| 17:35.18 | enouf | !nie |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: ETCH IS RELEASED! http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 (As of April 8, 2007) Etch 4.0r0 is now available and is the Official Stable release .. Sarge becomes oldstable and Lenny becomes Testing! ; ask me about <Today> for more info ; also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images/guides .. or ask me about <initramfs> |
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| 17:35.20 | setog3 | enouf: omg, il I understand what you say, all bugs were corrected this day .. ? at 16:19:00 UTC they were only 24. |
| 17:35.31 | jetscreamer | numan: they get added automagically... change the # of kernels that show up, that setting is in menu.lst |
| 17:35.32 | rcc | Lenny? |
| 17:35.42 | enouf | setog3: don't hold me accountable for any information :-P |
| 17:35.44 | jetscreamer | numan: or uninstall some kernels |
| 17:35.48 | dvs | !lenny |
| 17:35.48 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0, currently testing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 17:35.58 | rcc | Ah. |
| 17:35.58 | dvs | wrong! |
| 17:35.58 | robin_sz | abrotman, am I going to regret this? |
| 17:36.10 | setog3 | sorry |
| 17:36.10 | xand | dvs: why is it wrong? |
| 17:36.16 | xand | or rather, how |
| 17:36.17 | enouf | !dbse |
| 17:36.17 | dpkg | hmm... dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
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| 17:36.37 | xand | robin_sz: hold someone's hand. |
| 17:36.40 | dvs | xand: currently testing |
| 17:36.43 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: you won't regret it after you get it working properly at least |
| 17:36.50 | xand | dvs: but lenny IS currently testing |
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| 17:37.13 | dvs | xand: so? isn't it released yet? ;-) |
| 17:37.16 | agent_ | setog3: From what I understood, those bugs were not really etch bugs, but debian bugs that were counted as etch bugs because the bug counter does not distinguish the difference between the two. That is to say, it was fixed in etch testing (which then beecame testing today), but not in debian unstable, etc. |
| 17:37.31 | numan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.40 | enouf | To all concerned about the release see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/04/msg00005.html |
| 17:37.40 | SerajewelKS | ... |
| 17:37.43 | jetscreamer | numan: change that password now |
| 17:37.44 | SerajewelKS | !lart numan |
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| 17:37.55 | itchi | numan: Change your pass right now! |
| 17:37.56 | xand | dvs: lenny? it's the new testing |
| 17:38.00 | robin_sz | jetscreamer, all I *really* care about is my Samba stuff and perhaps apache and MySQL .. so long as they dont break ... |
| 17:38.07 | agent_ | setog3: I did not mean that they were fixed, but instead that the bugs did not pertain to etch testing (or now stable). |
| 17:38.07 | LightKnight | !lenny |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0, currently testing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 17:38.17 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: i don't know what happens so i can't tell you :/ |
| 17:38.20 | nihraguk | lol numan |
| 17:38.27 | setog3 | agent_: ok thx, so I can say to my friend that debian is released wihtout any know bug |
| 17:38.33 | multi_io | hey guys, I have news for you all! Do you know what I just learned? |
| 17:38.38 | Vasistha | numan: you're aware you need to change your freenode password asap right? |
| 17:38.39 | multi_io | omg omg her it comes...... |
| 17:38.39 | numan | y lol@me |
| 17:38.40 | blaamann_home | I am in a clean new install. My resolution is 800x600. Is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the way to set up xorg properly or is there another method in Etch? |
| 17:38.43 | dvs | setog3: no, it has bugs |
| 17:38.47 | multi_io | Etch has been released! |
| 17:38.49 | jetscreamer | that you're not as ugly as you thought you were? |
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| 17:38.54 | jetscreamer | or that you're uglier |
| 17:38.58 | nihraguk | numan: zavi786 |
| 17:38.58 | dvs | multi_io: no shit! |
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| 17:39.27 | agent_ | setog3: That I cannot say. But sure why not. ;D |
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| 17:39.41 | jetscreamer | yes blaamann_home that is the 'correct' method |
| 17:39.56 | abrotman | robin_sz: hopefully not |
| 17:40.04 | jetscreamer | blaamann_home: there is also xrandr |
| 17:40.07 | blaamann_home | jetscreamer: Thanks, I wasn't sure. |
| 17:40.10 | jetscreamer | to cahnge on the fly |
| 17:40.13 | Vasistha | is there a factoid on compiling a random source the debian way, and making a .deb out of it? |
| 17:40.19 | jetscreamer | after you get xorg.conf proper |
| 17:40.23 | proog | what does the debian netinst cd download when selecting "desktop environment"? gnome? and is there a way to manually choose packages to be downloaded (like in sarge)? |
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| 17:40.29 | agent_ | setog3: But release critical bugs, not regular bugs. |
| 17:40.42 | blaamann_home | jetscreamer: OK, I will read the man pages for xrandr |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | !tell Vasistha about mg |
| 17:40.48 | enouf | setog3: do a little reading would ya .. for petes sake |
| 17:40.49 | jetscreamer | proog: afaik it installs a little of gnome, and a little of kde |
| 17:40.52 | numan | somebody picked up my password here by error and changed it shit! |
| 17:40.54 | blaamann_home | Never used xrandr before |
| 17:40.56 | jahshua | n |
| 17:40.57 | schultzconsult | is there a special channel for 64bit talk? |
| 17:41.13 | jetscreamer | proog: myself, i take all those x's off those boxes and choose what i want later |
| 17:41.15 | enouf | setog3: there's a whole list of errata on the installer pages |
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| 17:41.18 | Vasistha | thanks, abrotman |
| 17:41.44 | Vasistha | schultzconsult: you can probably just ask in here |
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| 17:41.56 | proog | jetscreamer: ok, ill do that too, im missing the option about manually choosing pkgs... |
| 17:42.23 | numan | jf |
| 17:42.39 | agent_ | proog: Desktop environment installs gnome plus other packages that dekstop users usually want. But you can have it install kde instead. There may be more options now since the last time I tested it. |
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| 17:43.17 | proog | agent_: i just couldnt see any "manual package selection" in the installer |
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| 17:43.49 | setog3 | enouf: yes I see that list, it's why I come here to ask, because I think that the way to do a release in debian is to have 0 know bug.. but I think I do a mistake, so sorry . |
| 17:43.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | is it possible to mount a fs minix3 with the latest debian testing kernel? |
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| 17:44.26 | enouf | setog3: no worries.. go and enjoy! ;-) |
| 17:44.35 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_laptop: i don't know about 3, but minix is supported |
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| 17:44.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | jetscreamer, how can I know if it is possible, just trying? |
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| 17:45.20 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_laptop: yeh that's one way |
| 17:45.24 | chowmeined | is there support for the mach microkernel? |
| 17:45.31 | jetscreamer | other way is to check the kernel docs i guess |
| 17:45.47 | jetscreamer | chowmeined: i've seen something about it somewhere but i don't know/remember |
| 17:45.50 | nihraguk | hrm is there any way i can access the default configuration files that came with the package after installation? assuming i opted to stick to my currently-installed version at installation time? |
| 17:46.05 | chowmeined | I want a full GNU system |
| 17:46.07 | agent_ | proog: That is because you can just install a base system and then go from there. In aptitude, you will get all those options anyway with individual packages that you can select so it may be what you want. For example, in aptitude under tasks there is "end-user" -> "desktop environment" that just installs dekstop packages without gnome, kde, etc. and next to it is "gnome desktop" and "kde dekstop" |
| 17:46.08 | chowmeined | none of this linux nonsense |
| 17:46.16 | poideac | nihraguk, dpkg -L package_name |
| 17:46.23 | HardDisk_WP | hey a question |
| 17:46.25 | nihraguk | poideac: thanks :) |
| 17:46.28 | markybob | chowmeined: full gnu? then you probably want this http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ |
| 17:46.30 | proog | agent_: ok |
| 17:46.32 | HardDisk_WP | can I use the fonts of my windows xp in debian? |
| 17:46.41 | poideac | HardDisk_WP, yes. |
| 17:46.50 | chowmeined | markybob: awesome, thanks |
| 17:46.50 | agent_ | proog: On top of that, you can expand "kde desktop" and pick what you want from inside there instead of installing the whole thing. |
| 17:46.59 | dvs | !wwlr |
| 17:46.59 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline <add URL here> |
| 17:47.12 | LightKnight | !siyh |
| 17:47.13 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 17:47.26 | LightKnight | !lenny pool |
| 17:47.27 | dpkg | methinks lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 17:47.30 | poideac | dpkg, !info dpl |
| 17:47.31 | HardDisk_WP | poideac, how? |
| 17:47.37 | poideac | dpkg, !dpl |
| 17:47.46 | poideac | wtf is the prefix here ? |
| 17:47.47 | poideac | anyone ? |
| 17:47.51 | numan | jetscreamer: how to uninstall older kernel? |
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| 17:47.57 | agent_ | I bet Lenny is release a few hours ago! Do I win something? |
| 17:47.58 | markybob | !dpl |
| 17:47.58 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 17:48.12 | poideac | markybob, ah. |
| 17:48.14 | markybob | poideac: and you should really /msg the bot. /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:48.21 | poideac | markw, cool cool. |
| 17:48.40 | poideac | markybob, anyway. when's the new dpl going to be elected ? |
| 17:48.44 | NerveBand[PHP] | thanks to debian's etch release, i am wiping out vista for good |
| 17:48.46 | poideac | markybob, any idea on that ? |
| 17:48.47 | jetscreamer | numan: apt-get remove <whatever> |
| 17:49.14 | agent_ | NerveBand[PHP]: Happy days are comming! |
| 17:49.18 | LightKnight | Did anybody already switch to lenny? Has anything terrific happened yet? :) |
| 17:49.19 | markybob | poideac: Sam Hocevar was announced as DPL at about 00:30 UTC, |
| 17:49.20 | jetscreamer | numan: aptitude remove <whatever> |
| 17:49.21 | NerveBand[PHP] | ^_^ |
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| 17:49.37 | poideac | markybob, ah.... probably time to update dpkg then. |
| 17:49.38 | jetscreamer | LightKnight: i won the lottery as soon as i switched to lenny |
| 17:49.41 | NerveBand[PHP] | debian sarge was freaking awesome and etch is gonna be 20x worth it |
| 17:49.51 | LightKnight | jetscreamer: Kewl! :) |
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| 17:50.22 | epotash | hey, question about fstab: i have the "user" flag on for an external usb hard drive, but when i try to mount it as non-root it says "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied" |
| 17:50.30 | dvs | jetscreamer: the packages are updated already? |
| 17:50.50 | jetscreamer | dvs: the lottery packages? (huh?) |
| 17:50.51 | yanmorin | epotash, add the user inside "fuse" group /etc/group |
| 17:50.52 | epotash | is this because i first mounted it as root? i.e. once a drive is mounted once does that user own it somehow? |
| 17:50.54 | epotash | oh |
| 17:51.05 | epotash | gotcha |
| 17:51.07 | jetscreamer | adduser user fuse |
| 17:51.10 | chowmeined | how stable is etch? |
| 17:51.15 | dvs | jetscreamer: I thought you meant that you had to download a whole lotta packages |
| 17:51.16 | epotash | kay thanks |
| 17:51.27 | yanmorin | chowmeined, like a release 0 |
| 17:51.39 | markybob | chowmeined: as stable as any OS can be once initially released. :) |
| 17:51.52 | chowmeined | well I tried the RC and X crashed a lot |
| 17:51.57 | chowmeined | so I was wondering if they fixed all that |
| 17:52.06 | epotash | i still get permission denied...? |
| 17:52.15 | markybob | epotash: because you didnt log out and back in |
| 17:52.24 | valdyn | chowmeined: did you report a bug? |
| 17:52.26 | jetscreamer | more stable than vista when it was released? |
| 17:52.29 | chowmeined | of course not |
| 17:52.30 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 17:52.34 | chowmeined | I never report bugs |
| 17:52.40 | epotash | group changes dont occur until i log out and in? |
| 17:52.45 | jetscreamer | epotash: yes |
| 17:52.47 | markybob | chowmeined: then stop complaining |
| 17:52.49 | valdyn | chowmeined: that's fine, no one but you might know about your issues then |
| 17:52.50 | jetscreamer | correct |
| 17:52.58 | dvs | When will they update the installer-i386 directory for Debian 4.0? The files in there are still dated 3-11-2007 |
| 17:53.03 | chowmeined | thats ok, I dont use X anyways |
| 17:53.14 | xand | dvs: that's in the future! |
| 17:53.18 | jetscreamer | just gnome, right? |
| 17:53.19 | chowmeined | just the kiddos at my job want it cause they are too scared to figure out the command line |
| 17:53.30 | epotash | jetscreamer: can i just do ctrl+alt+1 and log in there and mount it? |
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| 17:53.41 | jetscreamer | epotash: i believe so |
| 17:53.41 | dvs | xand: future? How can people install Debian 4.0 using a USB drive? |
| 17:53.44 | yanmorin | epotash, yes |
| 17:53.47 | Vasistha | flipp: what's up, have you figured out the apt-key thing yet? |
| 17:53.52 | wols_ | dvs: read the install manual |
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| 17:55.28 | Vasistha | ping |
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| 17:56.24 | jetscreamer | !pong Vasistha |
| 17:56.28 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 17:56.30 | dvs | wols_: Yeah, it says to copy the boot.img.gz file to the USB drive but the boot.img.gz files I can find are dated 3-11-2007? Is that the latest version? |
| 17:56.31 | Vasistha | thanks |
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| 17:57.10 | jetscreamer | man the chan is growing in pop |
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| 17:57.22 | jetscreamer | maybe i should bail... |
| 17:57.26 | jetscreamer | it's sunday, too |
| 17:57.40 | jetscreamer | who the hell does a release on tardday! |
| 17:57.44 | jetscreamer | err sunday |
| 17:57.46 | sanmarcos | so would you guys go for a 24' imac or a macbook pro 17 with ACD 23 ? |
| 17:57.56 | Gnurdux | wait when was etch released? |
| 17:57.58 | epotash | LCD? |
| 17:58.02 | jetscreamer | today? |
| 17:58.06 | Gnurdux | is new stuff in lenny now?!? |
| 17:58.14 | jetscreamer | probably not |
| 17:58.17 | jetscreamer | maybe a bit |
| 17:58.20 | poideac | sanmarcos, either will do for debian. |
| 17:58.22 | Gnurdux | lessee |
| 17:58.22 | dfa001 | no nothing new yet |
| 17:58.27 | poideac | sanmarcos, :) |
| 17:58.37 | sanmarcos | wrong channel |
| 17:58.37 | Gnurdux | really, cause etch's been frozen for months |
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| 18:00.54 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: well, I guess the debian developers and maintainers didn't have any qualms about releasing on easter sunday! |
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| 18:01.23 | solar_sea | I think I found a bug within the 3.5.5 kde distributed with etch. |
| 18:01.23 | jetscreamer | yeh that too |
| 18:01.25 | xand | Vasistha: good |
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| 18:01.40 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: report it? |
| 18:01.54 | solar_sea | where should I, to kde or to debian ? |
| 18:02.25 | xand | !bts |
| 18:02.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:02.52 | Vasistha | solar_sea: kinda depends on the bug. most bugs should be reported to kde; if it's something that might reasonably fixed in debian stable, you can report to debian as well |
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| 18:03.49 | prs | Congrats boys! :> |
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| 18:04.38 | Rambo3_ | congratss x2 |
| 18:04.55 | Rambo3_ | no not lenny!! |
| 18:05.02 | solar_sea | How should I tell if it might be reasonably fixed in debian stable ? :) actually, it's a pretty silly one, kde 3.5.5 has two sets of shortcuts for cycling between desktops, one for immediate cycling and one that shows a list with the desktops. Right now, both are showing the desktop list and it's a bit annoying. |
| 18:05.29 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/etch/linux-2.6/debian/arch/config?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 shows CONFIG_MINIX_FS=m .. so perhaps as a module (oh and that's from the Etch kernel) |
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| 18:06.09 | DjMadness | Hi, i am doing a major upgrade on a remote server (dedicated), and i want to be sure it will start up again, is there any way i can check that it will 99.9% start up when i am finnished upgrading ? (like for an example, network card configuration) |
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| 18:06.49 | xand | DjMadness: do you have access to a time machine? :) |
| 18:07.02 | prs | dpkg: help |
| 18:07.06 | DjMadness | [xand]> i actually wish i did :) |
| 18:07.15 | Rambo3_ | @help prs |
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| 18:07.26 | xand | prs: yes? |
| 18:07.29 | DjMadness | the problem is that its easter, and well my datacenter is closed |
| 18:07.29 | schultzconsult | I have tried to install etch amd64 on a system with a Athlon 64 X2 and a NForce MCP51 chipset on the motherboard... but it fails to boot when loading sata_nv |
| 18:07.34 | xand | !help |
| 18:07.42 | Damjanek | Gratz. |
| 18:07.42 | schultzconsult | anyone got it to work? |
| 18:07.44 | prs | xand: ? |
| 18:07.50 | Rambo3_ | @help |
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| 18:07.53 | xand | prs: you wanted help? :P |
| 18:07.56 | prs | xand: I just wanted to know his commands.. :> |
| 18:08.01 | \amethyst | DjMadness: Have it boot by default into the old configuration, set up an at job to reboot it soon, then boot a single time into the new config |
| 18:08.01 | xand | "!help" |
| 18:08.09 | xand | dpkg will reply by pm |
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| 18:08.26 | \amethyst | DjMadness: Hm... maybe something better than an at job, since it might not get as far as atd |
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| 18:08.57 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> would you know of any good places i can read about this ? |
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| 18:09.22 | \amethyst | DjMadness: I'm assuming you're rebooting because you upgraded the kernel? |
| 18:09.42 | \amethyst | DjMadness: So you have an copy of the old kernel laying around, and all its modules are still there, right? |
| 18:09.46 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> well its not upgraded yet, but i am in the middle of the dist-upgrade |
| 18:09.58 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> should be :) |
| 18:10.16 | DjMadness | unless deb-conf removed it.. (witch i have not specified it to) |
| 18:10.27 | \amethyst | DjMadness: Do you have any way (network console, etc) to control the boot loader? |
| 18:10.35 | tonyb2006 | http://workstation.tonybox.net/jigdo.png <-- LOL at jigsaw |
| 18:10.49 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> no, i only have a reset console |
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| 18:10.59 | \amethyst | DjMadness: But you can reset it? |
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| 18:11.25 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> yes i have a "reset button" but it would not help if it cannot boot into a running kernel with network |
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| 18:11.40 | cla | hello |
| 18:11.43 | cla | i have a request |
| 18:11.52 | \amethyst | DjMadness: I'm looking through grub docs to see how to boot a particular kernel once |
| 18:11.53 | cla | please do not allow every user to use your bot: |
| 18:11.56 | robin_sz | abrotman, seriously, what are the risks of a dist-upgrade on my local Samba server, is it most likely to "just work"? its nothing special, no raid or anything |
| 18:12.06 | \amethyst | DjMadness: What you want is for the default to be the old kernel, in case it still works |
| 18:12.15 | \amethyst | DjMadness: But for it to boot the new kernel "just this once" |
| 18:12.21 | piper69 | how can i change chmod a username and folder to give permission to that user to rwx to that folder |
| 18:12.25 | \amethyst | DjMadness: If that works, you can make the new kernel the default |
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| 18:13.05 | DjMadness | so grub is default boot manager now ? i've actually always used lilo on deb |
| 18:13.15 | \amethyst | DjMadness: If you're using LILO, then use that :) |
| 18:13.27 | chowmeined | so when will all the mirrors be updated? |
| 18:13.34 | chowmeined | I want to update all my production servers ASAP |
| 18:13.45 | \amethyst | DjMadness: man lilo, look for -R |
| 18:14.22 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> i actully noticed i am using grub on that server, but lilo on my home server, ill see if i can find anything in the man for grub |
| 18:14.47 | \amethyst | DjMadness: Grub should have something like lilo's -R, but I don't use grub so I don't know |
| 18:15.16 | chowmeined | how come in etch apt hangs all the time while updating? |
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| 18:15.38 | \amethyst | chowmeined: do you have broken mirrors in your sources.list? |
| 18:15.47 | chowmeined | no |
| 18:15.52 | enouf | chowmeined: give a few days atleast and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/04/msg00005.html |
| 18:16.02 | DjMadness | ill ask in grubs channel for that :) but is there anything like modconf in debian now that can modify the "new default" kernel's modules ? |
| 18:17.10 | \amethyst | What do you mean modify the modues? |
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| 18:17.24 | vchrizz | how do i create a raid1 from hda2(running system) and hdc2(spare) when im running mdadm from the running system on hda2? |
| 18:17.33 | vchrizz | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/hda2: Device or resource busy |
| 18:18.01 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> useually after a kernel upgrade i need to make the kernel load my NIC module (i useually do this after i restart) |
| 18:18.37 | Rambo3_ | update-initramfs -u |
| 18:18.51 | \amethyst | DjMadness: If you use the same drivers as before the upgrade you shouldn't need to change anything |
| 18:18.52 | DjMadness | [Rambo3_]> thanks mate :) |
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| 18:19.51 | \amethyst | Ah, you need network on the initramfs |
| 18:19.53 | DjMadness | [\amethyst]> i was mainly concerned due to its a "major" upgrade for going onto 2.6 instead of 2.4, hopefully it will be allright :) |
| 18:20.04 | Rambo3_ | e100 module ? |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | robin_sz: the idea is that it just works |
| 18:20.31 | DjMadness | [Rambo3_]> yes |
| 18:20.44 | \amethyst | DjMadness: just make sure that it boots to 2.4 by default and it should be okay |
| 18:20.48 | Rambo3_ | yeah , EEPROM is a bit*h |
| 18:20.59 | poideac | Rambo3_, bitch ? |
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| 18:21.07 | poideac | :O |
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| 18:21.23 | \amethyst | No, he's declaring h as a pointer to a bit |
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| 18:22.16 | \amethyst | Generally a char is the smallest addressable unit of data |
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| 18:23.06 | poideac | \amethyst, thought it was more along the lines of a bit. :P |
| 18:23.23 | omg0__ | char is a bit too much |
| 18:23.25 | jetscreamer | i thought it took two bits to make a char, but i know nothing |
| 18:23.31 | \amethyst | poideac: I mean, you can't take the address of a bit |
| 18:23.32 | jetscreamer | absolutely nothing |
| 18:23.36 | omg0__ | hehehe |
| 18:23.37 | poideac | \amethyst, true. |
| 18:23.45 | poideac | \amethyst, well not technically. |
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| 18:24.11 | \amethyst | poideac: In C |
| 18:24.24 | omg0__ | enough already |
| 18:24.44 | omg0__ | I want to solve real problems today |
| 18:24.59 | omg0__ | that was so rude of me. |
| 18:25.04 | Rambo3_ | :P i know only vb.net. |
| 18:25.42 | omg0__ | Rambo3_, vb is for pansies/the other word |
| 18:25.43 | poideac | Rambo3_, time to learn C# then. :o |
| 18:25.54 | \amethyst | Learn F# instead |
| 18:26.09 | poideac | \amethyst, F# ? |
| 18:26.13 | Gnurdux | in music |
| 18:26.24 | omg0__ | I want to go back to a# |
| 18:26.24 | Gnurdux | F# is the first sharp, C# is second |
| 18:26.36 | \amethyst | Kind of like OCaml for .NET |
| 18:26.37 | jetscreamer | always tune to A440 , also |
| 18:26.40 | Gnurdux | goes up by a 5th each time |
| 18:26.49 | \amethyst | It's developed by Microsoft Research |
| 18:26.57 | omg0__ | you guys are such neards |
| 18:27.17 | tonyb2006 | http://research.microsoft.com/fsharp/fsharp.aspx |
| 18:27.18 | tonyb2006 | lol.. |
| 18:27.27 | Gnurdux | it exists? |
| 18:27.34 | poideac | omg0__, i am not a nerd. i play soccer and go out as well. |
| 18:27.37 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:27.42 | jetscreamer | 'it exists |
| 18:27.51 | tonyb2006 | LOL |
| 18:28.05 | omg0__ | has anyone ever used the -hdb fat:/my_directory |
| 18:28.18 | jetscreamer | the what? |
| 18:28.18 | \amethyst | It's a little annoying that they use # instead of ♯ |
| 18:28.26 | omg0__ | in qemu? |
| 18:28.33 | jetscreamer | oh no idea |
| 18:28.44 | abrotman | omg0__: ask a better question |
| 18:28.51 | pipeline | \amethyst: They didn't want to call it "C Hash", but they wanted to use the "#" character because it looks like two overlayed "++" operators |
| 18:29.02 | tonyb2006 | heh |
| 18:29.09 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: uhm, no |
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| 18:29.21 | \amethyst | pipeline: I think C Hash would have been a great name :) |
| 18:29.27 | poideac | pipeline, it's C Sharp i believe. |
| 18:29.30 | tonyb2006 | it looks like 2 ++ operators on top of eachother |
| 18:29.37 | SerajewelKS | tonyb2006: coincidence |
| 18:29.39 | pipeline | \amethyst: I guess they could have called it Coctothorne. But that first syllable is a bitch. |
| 18:29.45 | omg0__ | I am trying to bring a directory into the debian so I can tinker more but I want to do it without always having to create an iso so I need to figure out how to use the -hdb fat:/my_directory |
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| 18:30.00 | SerajewelKS | it's called "C Sharp" and the # represents the musical symbol that increases the tone of a note by a half step |
| 18:30.02 | dvs | pipeline: octothorpe? |
| 18:30.12 | omg0__ | maybe someone here has had that stinking problem |
| 18:30.14 | \amethyst | poideac: It's spelled with the hash sign according to the specification |
| 18:30.18 | pipeline | dvs: spelling is for chumps. |
| 18:30.23 | dvs | heh |
| 18:30.25 | pipeline | dvs: or "coctothorpes" if you would prefer |
| 18:30.30 | tonyb2006 | words are for chumps! |
| 18:30.31 | poideac | \amethyst, which specification ? |
| 18:30.37 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I was just complaining that they didn't use the real sharp symbol |
| 18:30.38 | SerajewelKS | poideac: the EMCA one |
| 18:30.40 | \amethyst | poideac: ECMA-334 |
| 18:30.47 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: they didn't because it's a bitch to type |
| 18:31.05 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: or maybe because windows cp 437 doesn't include it ;) |
| 18:31.14 | poideac | whatever the specs say. Never read, and never will. it's ms research anyway. |
| 18:31.23 | poideac | heh. |
| 18:31.29 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I think pipeline hit the nail on the head |
| 18:31.34 | blaamann | No sun-java in Etch ? |
| 18:31.41 | pipeline | poideac: yeah, it's just ms research, the world's premiere computer science institution. They're totally negligible mang. |
| 18:31.45 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: in an email from microsoft they said they chose # to represent the real sharp sign in the same way that >= represents the greater than or equals sign. because you really don't want to type that when coding, do you? |
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| 18:32.09 | omg0__ | ok. Let me get to the underlying problem for which that afore mention problem came. I am trying to boot my first partition into dos but I am finding that you cannot just coppy the files and it works. So I would like to use grub to tell it to boot from a floppy image |
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| 18:32.29 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: or maybe because when talking on IRC you don't want to open gucharmap every time you're talking about C# |
| 18:32.29 | omg0__ | I would like to emulate it before I put it on the hard drive |
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| 18:32.34 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Not when I'm using keyboard layouts from the 80s :) |
| 18:32.40 | poideac | have a good day fellas. |
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| 18:32.44 | pipeline | poideac: Don't be a db. MS Research employs a huge number of Smart Folks, and they're one of the last facilities around that do basic research. |
| 18:32.49 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: which no significant part of the population uses |
| 18:33.02 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Most people don't have a compose key |
| 18:33.16 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: "they should use the real sharp sign because i'm one of the two people in the world that can type it without copy/paste" |
| 18:33.20 | abrotman | pipeline: i wouldn't call them the world's premier |
| 18:33.35 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I'm not actually all that annoyed, it's just fun to complain about :) |
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| 18:33.51 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, who else could you possibly point to? IBM's DB2 group doesn't publish very often, no matter how much work goes on there :P |
| 18:33.54 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: fun maybe, but i still don't see your point |
| 18:34.13 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: maybe you could complain about something like windows, where other people agree with you and actually give a shit? |
| 18:34.32 | omg0__ | ok. can we solve problems here |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | pipeline: ibm, cmu, mit, llnl, parc, thousands of Unis worldwide |
| 18:34.38 | omg0__ | I have real problems |
| 18:34.52 | abrotman | we noticed |
| 18:35.01 | dvs | uh huh |
| 18:35.02 | omg0__ | lol. besides those |
| 18:35.19 | abrotman | wussy |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | just do it! |
| 18:35.24 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I think the pervasiveness ASCII in programming is a relic of the past, but I understand why it's still around |
| 18:35.39 | SerajewelKS | robin_sz: i'm doing it now, on my blog server. only one real problem so far, apache2 won't start. |
| 18:35.48 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: because people can type it |
| 18:35.53 | pipeline | abrotman: University CS work is a joke worldwide. Hence PhDs flocking to MS Research and comparable institutions. |
| 18:36.10 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: When C was introduced plenty of people couldn't type { } |
| 18:36.13 | omg0__ | what the hell |
| 18:36.14 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: joke doesn't begin to describe it |
| 18:36.17 | pipeline | abrotman: p.s. LLNL is dying, PARC is dead, CMU hasn't looked alive since the 80s. |
| 18:36.18 | dvs | pipeline: graduate studies I assume |
| 18:36.37 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: at my uni people graduate with a degree in C# not knowing what "finally" does or what reflection is |
| 18:36.46 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: i knew this shit before i started attending |
| 18:36.52 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Eh, undergraduate CS is trade school ;) |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | pipeline: maybe you should look again .. or talk to people that work there ... like some in this channel |
| 18:37.00 | robin_sz | maybe I'll just back up the data one more time |
| 18:37.09 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Of course, there's no real reason for the appearance, or storage, of a program to mirror exactly the characters the programmer supplied |
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| 18:37.37 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: you could always invent your own language that requires people to remap their keyboards... let me know how that goes :) |
| 18:37.55 | SerajewelKS | W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge) |
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| 18:38.09 | omg0__ | what the hell. This shit has been about mapping keyboards the whole time?!!!! |
| 18:38.15 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Perl 6 :) |
| 18:38.24 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: or code your editor so it changes things like >= into the real glyph |
| 18:38.30 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: doesn't require it, though, and I think that's the best approach |
| 18:38.34 | pipeline | SerajewelKS, \amethyst : I smell an APL user. |
| 18:38.48 | \amethyst | Actually, I've only used APL once or twice |
| 18:38.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: etch/updates |
| 18:39.03 | abrotman | or hit apt-get update again |
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| 18:39.34 | omg0__ | somewhere in here I am going to learn something and solve a problem, I just know it |
| 18:39.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i did try it again, same error |
| 18:39.52 | haris | how can you forcibly detach a screen? I'm using -d and it says screen foo detached, but a screen -ls shows quite the contrary |
| 18:39.54 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: etch/updates |
| 18:40.09 | sword | haris: try screen -D? |
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| 18:40.17 | \amethyst | omg0__: You wanted grub to boot off a floppy? |
| 18:40.20 | SerajewelKS | haris: i've had that happen on occasion... seems to mean that screen died |
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| 18:40.36 | omg0__ | \amethyst: a floppy image |
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| 18:40.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the security team hasn't changed the symlink yet? |
| 18:40.59 | omg0__ | \amethyst: I have no floppy drive and the machine is not cdrom booteable |
| 18:41.08 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: your mirror might be out of whack |
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| 18:41.13 | haris | sword: will that not kill that current screen session? |
| 18:41.18 | jetscreamer | wtf is 'throbber animation' ... gedit complains (in term when started from xterm) that it is not found |
| 18:41.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: like the spinning globe in IE |
| 18:41.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: security.debian.org is mirrored? is it rr dns? |
| 18:41.46 | sword | haris: you can specify screen -D "pid shown in screen -l" |
| 18:42.07 | abrotman | railroad! |
| 18:42.11 | asg | abrotman: wtf does an editor need a throbber though |
| 18:42.14 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 18:42.22 | haris | ah, a little test suggests it'll be ok. Let's see |
| 18:42.24 | jetscreamer | if you mean that thing in the top right |
| 18:42.32 | abrotman | asg: to pulse while the file loads ? |
| 18:42.38 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com ? |
| 18:42.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: round-robin of course... |
| 18:42.45 | abrotman | asg: like when you vi /vmlinuz ? :) |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: yep |
| 18:42.55 | haris | sword: awesome, thanks. Was misunderstanding the -D summary 8) |
| 18:43.01 | jetscreamer | http://goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 18:43.25 | asg | abrotman: I'll pretend you didn't say that |
| 18:43.49 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 18:44.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i get 404 on those... guess i'll wait till tomorrow to set up security repos |
| 18:44.33 | abrotman | etch/updates !!! |
| 18:44.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, those |
| 18:44.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: show us your source line |
| 18:45.08 | jetscreamer | you mean just like as seen on linux.hfds.com/files/youknowwhat, abrotman ??? |
| 18:45.17 | SerajewelKS | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:45.19 | jetscreamer | OMG |
| 18:45.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it works for me! |
| 18:45.37 | asg | works here too |
| 18:45.40 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: not sure but i think contrib non-free isn't good on that line... NOT SURE |
| 18:45.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: probably the mirror i got then, i'll just wait |
| 18:45.51 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: could be |
| 18:46.14 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: i think that is worng, they are ok |
| 18:46.17 | jetscreamer | not sure though |
| 18:46.55 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, Did you call me? hehehhe |
| 18:47.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:47.38 | p3rti | hey.,.. how the module radeon only works to agp devices? or pci-express too? |
| 18:47.55 | jetscreamer | p3rti: try ati instead of radeon, maybe... radeon is a subset or something |
| 18:48.08 | omg0__ | The problem is I want to flash my bios. I don't have a booteable CDROM or a floppy drive. So the only way is to put the files on the hardrive but that doesn't work as you cannot boot from the files as they have to be be installed in the boot sector |
| 18:48.22 | p3rti | jetscreamer, i try ati too.. and i get the same error.. ati searching agp devices :S |
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| 18:48.58 | jetscreamer | omg0__: you can boot a usb stick with the files on it. |
| 18:49.00 | vanisher | omg. Debian 4 released.. what happend |
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| 18:49.27 | jetscreamer | omg0__: i've done that, and also just booted clean dos, and had the files on the hd and used them |
| 18:49.45 | omg0__ | don't have a usb port either |
| 18:49.47 | dvs | vanisher: we froze hell |
| 18:49.59 | jetscreamer | omg0__: you can put the files anywhere afaik, just boot clean... |
| 18:50.06 | jetscreamer | pxe boot then dude :) |
| 18:50.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's working now, i guess the dns cache expired and i got a good mirror |
| 18:50.18 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:50.33 | vanisher | dvs: looks like :) lol.. at least something to do on easter :D |
| 18:50.57 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, never done pxe boot |
| 18:51.10 | MrMary | that goodbye to windows program looked cool |
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| 18:51.27 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, what is afaik? |
| 18:51.36 | asg | !afaik |
| 18:51.36 | dpkg | somebody said afaik was as far as I know |
| 18:51.38 | paulproteus | Bye bye all! |
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| 18:51.50 | SerajewelKS | aptitude drives me nuts |
| 18:52.00 | vanisher | what is the xfce iso? |
| 18:52.00 | SerajewelKS | aptitude purge `deborphan` mysql-client-5.0+ mysql-server-5.0+ |
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| 18:52.10 | SerajewelKS | The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 18:52.13 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, these are dos files |
| 18:52.23 | SerajewelKS | mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:52.24 | jetscreamer | omg0__: boot dos? |
| 18:52.31 | jetscreamer | buy a floppy? |
| 18:52.33 | SerajewelKS | wtf do you call that shit |
| 18:52.34 | jetscreamer | drive |
| 18:52.41 | jetscreamer | 10 bucks |
| 18:52.55 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, you can do better than that. Its a laptop |
| 18:53.09 | jetscreamer | omg0__: why no cd then? |
| 18:53.12 | SerajewelKS | how else do i tell aptitude to not remove shit i want installed |
| 18:53.24 | SerajewelKS | because "aptitude install" didn't do that either |
| 18:53.24 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, old. My little projet. CD doesn't boot |
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| 18:53.35 | jetscreamer | ah. |
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| 18:53.51 | jetscreamer | pxeboot then i guess |
| 18:53.55 | jetscreamer | or |
| 18:54.06 | jetscreamer | take the hd out put another in that has dos |
| 18:54.22 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, how does that pxe or iso work? |
| 18:54.44 | jetscreamer | omg0__: i've never done a pxeboot so i can't tell you how |
| 18:54.55 | jetscreamer | ther are 50billion howto's on it though |
| 18:55.01 | omg0__ | bummer |
| 18:55.09 | jetscreamer | sorry, 50billion and one |
| 18:55.28 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: mark those packages an manually installed |
| 18:55.37 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, that is a lie |
| 18:55.49 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: they're marked as auto right now, because they were installed through dependencies only |
| 18:55.51 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: yeah i found that a bit further down in the manpage |
| 18:55.57 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i know |
| 18:56.19 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: it just seems odd that specifying those packages with + didn't give it a clue |
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| 18:56.22 | hark | omg0__: no kidding, actually 50 billion and two ;) |
| 18:56.31 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: it didn't? |
| 18:56.38 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: nope |
| 18:56.38 | omg0__ | jetscreamer, I counted this morning and there was very little mention. ok maybe 12 pages that pointed back to the sagem group |
| 18:56.42 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i had to use &m |
| 18:56.43 | jetscreamer | omg0__: but i just counted them!!! |
| 18:57.13 | jetscreamer | ok let me count again... one..... two...... |
| 18:57.36 | veke | !misconf |
| 18:57.44 | veke | !confmiss |
| 18:57.44 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:57.54 | SerajewelKS | apache seems to be happy now |
| 18:57.57 | asg | veke: you can /msg the bot also |
| 18:58.07 | veke | asg |
| 18:58.09 | omg0__ | I say debian channel has the most clowns. I guess you have to laugh at something |
| 18:58.11 | veke | can u tell me |
| 18:58.17 | veke | how can i have a list of "FAQ"? |
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| 18:58.44 | asg | veke: /msg dgkg listkeys <foo> ; /msg dpkg listvals <bar> |
| 18:58.56 | asg | veke: and /msg dpkg factoids |
| 18:59.01 | terlmann | yes ! 4.0 is out ! |
| 18:59.02 | abrotman | your factoids ? |
| 18:59.15 | veke | ok |
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| 18:59.20 | asg | abrotman: factoids == your factoids |
| 18:59.26 | abrotman | ah |
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| 19:00.53 | jetscreamer | omg0__: other channels have too much bs, they don't have room for jocularity :) |
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| 19:02.29 | SerajewelKS | well that was pretty painless, my server is now on etch |
| 19:02.46 | SerajewelKS | but there was a few minutes of downtime :P |
| 19:02.46 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: nice |
| 19:02.48 | dvs | SerajewelKS: wait until you reboot :-> |
| 19:02.50 | frankr | a while ago I think some sort of botched apt-get upgrade process failed and broke the blender package - now when I attempt to remove it it has an error and tells me taht I should reinstall it before removing it; when I run apt-get install blender it returns this error: http://pastebin.ca/429334 |
| 19:03.01 | SerajewelKS | dvs: i will in a bit, when i install 2.6.18 |
| 19:03.12 | asg | frankr: does 'apt-get -f install' help? |
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| 19:03.57 | SerajewelKS | i get to make the hotplug -> udev transition |
| 19:04.01 | frankr | asg: it returns the same error as the one in the pastebin in my message above |
| 19:04.05 | chowmeined | the mirrors are not responding :( I cant get the updates |
| 19:04.14 | \amethyst | frankr: you could try removing the /var/lib/dpkg/info/blender.prerm then doing it again |
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| 19:05.21 | hark | remove-reinstreq maybe |
| 19:05.23 | jetscreamer | ah i heard the blender package is borked |
| 19:05.26 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 19:05.41 | amidude | frankr: just grab 2.43 from blender.org |
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| 19:05.55 | mirshafie_ | dli, looks like i do have deb-src lines in my sources.list |
| 19:06.10 | abrotman | amidude: that doens't fix his problem |
| 19:06.13 | veke | does someone uses exim4? |
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| 19:06.31 | asg | veke: many people do, including those in #exim |
| 19:06.31 | abrotman | frankr: bugs.debian.org/python-central .. it's a known issue |
| 19:06.37 | asg | frankr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 19:06.37 | hark | python-central's now updated. should be in etch soom |
| 19:06.38 | veke | ah ok |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | hark: etch doesn't have the problem |
| 19:07.25 | frankr | eek |
| 19:07.28 | hark | oh, it's sid then? |
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| 19:07.39 | abrotman | yeah |
| 19:07.41 | DomiX | yo |
| 19:08.11 | dvs | nes |
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| 19:08.47 | hark | heh, so all of them earlier were running sid... |
| 19:08.50 | abrotman | dvs: BlasterMaster! |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | hark: yeah |
| 19:08.55 | DomiX | how to mount a memory file system based on a directory? I looked at tmpfs but I don't find a way to do this |
| 19:09.18 | Vasistha | memory file system? |
| 19:09.27 | veke | hi people... i have a problem... i've a debian system up.. with exim4 ... and i'm following this guide ( http://www.tty1.net/virtual_domains_en.html) for setting up a server... but i can't find the exim config file. |
| 19:09.30 | dvs | Vasistha: ram disk |
| 19:09.37 | Vasistha | ahh |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | /etc/exim4/ ? |
| 19:09.43 | DomiX | Vasistha: yes create files or directory in ram |
| 19:09.46 | veke | abrotman |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | veke: |
| 19:09.56 | veke | conf.d exim4.conf.template passwd.client update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 19:10.01 | asg | veke: you might have a split config built from /etc/exim4/conf.d/* |
| 19:10.03 | veke | this is the ls output of that dir |
| 19:10.10 | veke | but asg |
| 19:10.22 | veke | i typed dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:10.30 | veke | and i put NO SPLITTED CONFIG FILE |
| 19:10.40 | DomiX | Vasistha: in FreeBSD the name is mfs that's what I say memory file system |
| 19:10.57 | Vasistha | DomiX: yeah -- clearly I'm not the one to ask ;-) |
| 19:10.58 | jetscreamer | you need to modprobe the ramdisk module iirc |
| 19:11.01 | h3sp4wn | DomiX: tmpfs or ramfs |
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| 19:11.13 | h3sp4wn | (few choices) |
| 19:11.14 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 19:11.30 | SerajewelKS | well that was easy... rebooted into 2.6.18 without a hassle |
| 19:11.35 | DomiX | h3sp4wn: I see no example about using tmpfs for this, do you have an example? |
| 19:11.36 | x_link | enouf: I have answeared you know in PM. |
| 19:11.41 | dvs | SerajewelKS: drat! |
| 19:11.50 | veke | what is the real name of the config file' |
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| 19:11.55 | SerajewelKS | dvs: sorry to disappoint |
| 19:11.58 | SerajewelKS | dvs: only not really :) |
| 19:12.03 | reto_ | hi |
| 19:12.08 | x_link | Hi h3sp4wn ! |
| 19:12.10 | h3sp4wn | DomiX: I don't have a relevant one |
| 19:12.23 | Vasistha | !tell veke about enter |
| 19:12.43 | reto_ | hi.. can anybody recommend a good utf8-capable shell? |
| 19:12.48 | reto_ | ehm.. terminal that is |
| 19:12.52 | asg | veke: read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:12.53 | reto_ | I've been using aterm |
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| 19:13.24 | h3sp4wn | reto_: {u}xterm / rxvt |
| 19:13.47 | \amethyst | veke: also man update-exim4.conf |
| 19:13.53 | h3sp4wn | reto_: urxvt or xterm (can call it as uxterm if you want or just set in .Xresources |
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| 19:16.23 | hark | frankr: just update and upgrade (get the new python-central package) |
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| 19:16.41 | reto_ | h3sp4wn: okay thanks |
| 19:16.44 | DomiX | h3sp4wn: I tried mount -t ramfs /root/test /tmp/test |
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| 19:17.03 | DomiX | in /root/test there is a file but it's not present in /tmp/test |
| 19:17.58 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: /root/test is an image file? |
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| 19:18.09 | \amethyst | oops |
| 19:18.13 | \amethyst | DomiX: /root/test is an image file? |
| 19:18.20 | h3sp4wn | \amethyst: no clue |
| 19:18.32 | DomiX | \amethyst: no a directory... |
| 19:18.45 | \amethyst | DomiX: So you want to make a copy of it on a ramfs? |
| 19:18.59 | DomiX | yes, I want /var in ramfs |
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| 19:19.27 | \amethyst | Why? |
| 19:19.52 | DomiX | because I run debian on CF on a soekris |
| 19:19.58 | h3sp4wn | none on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 19:20.14 | asg | DomiX: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
| 19:20.32 | h3sp4wn | DomiX: mount none /tmp -t tmpfs -o size=size |
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| 19:20.36 | dob1 | what is the differecente between apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
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| 19:21.03 | h3sp4wn | DomiX: That is the syntax upto you how to populate it though |
| 19:21.09 | asg | dob1: aptitude has better dependancy resolution ... i.e., it install more shit that smart people generally don't want but most people need. |
| 19:21.11 | hark | one uses apt-get the other aptitude? |
| 19:21.12 | \amethyst | DomiX: then cp -a /vartemplate* /var or something |
| 19:21.58 | dob1 | asg: ok but now that i want to upgrade to etch is better that i use apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 19:22.05 | \amethyst | DomiX: if you want to use the initial contents of /var , you can mount --bind it to /vartemplate first |
| 19:22.16 | asg | dob1: if you have to ask, follow the release notes |
| 19:22.28 | asg | dob1: i.e., use aptitude as suggested |
| 19:22.36 | dob1 | asg: ok thanks |
| 19:22.57 | \amethyst | DomiX: presumably you want to save the contents of var back to CF during shutdown? |
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| 19:23.09 | DomiX | no, I don't care |
| 19:23.19 | \amethyst | DomiX: so you'll never be upgrading packages etc? |
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| 19:23.44 | DomiX | erf, I forgot upgrading packages... |
| 19:23.54 | \amethyst | DomiX: /var isn't a temporary filesystem |
| 19:24.03 | \amethyst | DomiX: programs expect its content to persist |
| 19:24.14 | DomiX | nevermind, I will use /var in rw |
| 19:24.20 | \amethyst | DomiX: well |
| 19:24.29 | \amethyst | DomiX: you can do what we suggested |
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| 19:24.31 | asg | DomiX: just mount /var/log and maybe /var/spool as a ramdisk if you need to. |
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| 19:24.46 | \amethyst | DomiX: And copy it back... if you are really worried about it |
| 19:24.46 | DomiX | ok |
| 19:24.56 | \amethyst | DomiX: You are making all your real filesystems noatime, right? |
| 19:25.01 | cbr | omg etch released |
| 19:25.03 | cbr | finally :D |
| 19:25.16 | tuxgevara | :) |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | are you going to stop whining now ? |
| 19:25.16 | DomiX | \amethyst: not yet, I used this option on openbsd |
| 19:25.35 | \amethyst | DomiX: You should, otherwise reading a file means a write to its inode |
| 19:26.02 | DomiX | 'k |
| 19:26.05 | \amethyst | DomiX: which you presumably want to limit on your CF |
| 19:26.30 | DomiX | yes :) |
| 19:27.18 | sanmarcos | http://www.donelleschi.com/stickywindows/ |
| 19:27.21 | sanmarcos | err |
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| 19:27.35 | aidinux-user40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.35 | \amethyst | DomiX: You might want to read up on inotifywatch |
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| 19:28.00 | \amethyst | DomiX: before you decide what to put on a tempfs, find out what parts of the directory hierarchy get the most writes in normal use |
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| 19:28.07 | aidinux-user40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.08 | asg | !tell aidinux-user40 about fr |
| 19:28.12 | \amethyst | DomiX: inotifywatch is part of the inotify-tools package |
| 19:28.18 | dvs | asg: he's spamming |
| 19:28.20 | xand | asg: it's spam |
| 19:28.27 | xand | !ops aidinux-user40 spamming |
| 19:28.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: aidinux-user40 spamming |
| 19:28.42 | asg | xand: then he can spam #debian-fr |
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| 19:28.55 | abrotman | is it spam if you don't understand it ? |
| 19:28.57 | \amethyst | Is "argent" a standard word for "money", or slang? |
| 19:29.05 | aidinux-user40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.11 | Gniarf | not slang |
| 19:29.11 | xand | abrotman: I know enough french to understand it |
| 19:29.17 | dvs | abrotman: no, he's advertising financial schemes |
| 19:29.30 | dvs | \amethyst: you are right |
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| 19:29.39 | \amethyst | dvs: I was asking a question :) |
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| 19:29.40 | asg | RichiH: if you are around, give aidinux-user40 the heave-ho for us. Thanks. |
| 19:29.42 | sanmarcos | gnome 2.14 |
| 19:29.43 | sanmarcos | bleeding edge |
| 19:29.45 | xand | \amethyst: it's french for money |
| 19:29.50 | abrotman | asg: he's in the op list too |
| 19:29.51 | ompaul | RichiH, thats more than one channel |
| 19:29.52 | dvs | \amethyst: it's the real word for money |
| 19:30.01 | \amethyst | Does it also mean "silver"? |
| 19:30.03 | asg | abrotman: yes, but he loves me |
| 19:30.09 | abrotman | he loves me too! |
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| 19:30.14 | abrotman | oh . he left |
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| 19:30.28 | RichiH | arr |
| 19:30.34 | abrotman | RichiH: kill! |
| 19:30.39 | Gniarf | :) |
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| 19:30.48 | RichiH | it quit |
| 19:30.56 | RichiH | i klined so it does not come back |
| 19:31.00 | asg | RichiH: thanks |
| 19:31.00 | abrotman | yay |
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| 19:31.04 | dvs | oh right |
| 19:31.10 | streuner | !love RichiH |
| 19:31.15 | jeffwheeler | If I've been running in Etch for a long time, is there anything I need to do to update my system after this latest release? |
| 19:31.20 | Gniarf | his ISP in in tunisia, not france |
| 19:31.20 | xand | \amethyst: yes, silver too |
| 19:31.32 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: make sure your sources says "etch" and not "testing" |
| 19:31.33 | xand | Gniarf: they speak french there iirc. |
| 19:31.35 | dvs | jeffwheeler: make sure it says "etch" and not "testing" |
| 19:31.47 | dvs | \amethyst: liar! ;-) |
| 19:31.52 | \amethyst | :) |
| 19:31.53 | Gniarf | xand : true (and I confirm the spam status of this crap) |
| 19:31.53 | asg | Gniarf: where someone's apparent ISP is irrelevant these days |
| 19:32.10 | jeffwheeler | dvs, \amethyst: seems I'm good :) |
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| 19:32.34 | \amethyst | testing is going to get funky soon :) |
| 19:32.42 | \amethyst | s/get/start getting/ |
| 19:33.00 | Gniarf | asg : actually it does explain lots of things (like they are just discovering the Internet, and those goldbar traps while most french users don't fall for them anymore) |
| 19:33.01 | hark | Argentum |
| 19:33.07 | asg | \amethyst: yep ... will make for a lot of fun in here |
| 19:33.41 | hark | the gates of experimental will open for Sid too |
| 19:33.56 | dvs | hark: not really, it will trickle into sid |
| 19:34.05 | cbr | at last.. unstable borkage again.. wohoo |
| 19:34.10 | asg | dvs: sounds like a prostate issue |
| 19:34.11 | \amethyst | yay! |
| 19:34.17 | dvs | asg: heh |
| 19:34.35 | dvs | asg: don't get pissy with me! |
| 19:34.38 | \amethyst | That's why I use unstable, it made me learn the packaging system |
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| 19:35.09 | \amethyst | I wasn't really using a distribution anymore when I switched to debian :) |
| 19:35.13 | \amethyst | s/when/before/ |
| 19:35.35 | asg | dvs: can't help it, I've had lots of beer |
| 19:35.42 | dvs | heh |
| 19:35.56 | asg | \amethyst: what were you using before? |
| 19:36.21 | asg | \amethyst: homebrew roll-yer-own? |
| 19:36.32 | \amethyst | asg: It was originally Red Hat 4.0, but had been upgraded to glibc2 etc etc by hand |
| 19:36.45 | \amethyst | asg: Before that I used Slackware for a year |
| 19:37.02 | asg | ah, okay |
| 19:37.26 | \amethyst | asg: The RPMs were all installed, but most of the files had long since been overwritten :) |
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| 19:37.33 | lord_rob | Hi ! I think apt-listbugs doesn't work anymore. I keep getting timeouts when trying to access the BTS with apt-listbugs ... What's wrong with that ? |
| 19:37.39 | asg | \amethyst: :) |
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| 19:38.06 | Marenz | i search a 'tool' that allows me to 1. Tag files from filename according to a custom rule 2. move files to a custom defined directory structure and name |
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| 19:39.10 | \amethyst | Marenz: persistent tags, or just for this single move operation? |
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| 19:39.23 | netman | hi all |
| 19:39.40 | streuner | RichiH: well, we have silence for about 3 months now... ;-) |
| 19:39.45 | SerajewelKS | Marenz: i think you want perl |
| 19:39.47 | ma3x | hi, I have bought a printer, but the store told me that I can only use it with older computers because it has RS 232 interface. I have bought a serial to USB converter, but how can I test out the printer? |
| 19:39.48 | Marenz | \amethyst persistent idv3 tags (or similar) |
| 19:39.48 | \amethyst | Marenz: and how should the move destinations be specified? |
| 19:40.03 | sakal | what I should put into /etc/apt/sources.list for normal securety update for etch? |
| 19:40.05 | wols_ | damn #irssi has grown.254 people in there. but they were more talkative when there were only 15 |
| 19:40.19 | streuner | RichiH: etch is out and those who complain about sarge is/was too old. |
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| 19:40.23 | asg | sakal: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 19:40.28 | Marenz | like %artist%/%album/%artist %- %title% - %tracknumber% |
| 19:40.36 | sakal | thanks |
| 19:40.45 | Marenz | foobar200 in windows had that, i miss that program :/ |
| 19:40.51 | Marenz | *foobar2000 |
| 19:40.57 | asg | sakal: append ' contrib non-free' if you happen to follow those too |
| 19:41.02 | \amethyst | Marenz: On music files that already support such tagging, or even on things like text files? |
| 19:41.04 | sanmarcos | streuner, etch is too old |
| 19:41.10 | Marenz | music. |
| 19:41.11 | SerajewelKS | Marenz: apt-get install id3ren |
| 19:41.14 | sakal | %) |
| 19:41.14 | badgers | somebody said ) was the smile part of a face. |
| 19:41.22 | Marenz | id3ren can do all that ? |
| 19:41.29 | SerajewelKS | Marenz: yes |
| 19:41.40 | \amethyst | As long as they're all mp3s |
| 19:41.42 | asg | %feed abrotman |
| 19:41.46 | hark | sanmarcos: already? |
| 19:41.57 | streuner | sanmarcos: well, most of the people ; you're right there are some people who complain actually ;-) |
| 19:42.14 | sanmarcos | gnome 2.14, the rest I could not care about if its old |
| 19:42.35 | ma3x | hello |
| 19:42.36 | sanmarcos | anyhow, Ubuntu provides an up to date gnome |
| 19:42.37 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:42.39 | ma3x | is there a howto for printers? |
| 19:42.46 | sanmarcos | so, most home users will choose that |
| 19:42.50 | asg | ma3x: linuxprinting.org |
| 19:43.23 | ma3x | asg: is there something simple to do just to test out a printer? |
| 19:43.35 | RichiH | streuner: we will get requests from the people who migrate, though |
| 19:43.49 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 19:44.00 | RichiH | belh, debsecan does not know about lenny, yet |
| 19:44.04 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a link to the most current version of the Loki Gmes installers? |
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| 19:44.29 | streuner | RichiH: it wouldn't make sense much for the next weeks... |
| 19:44.53 | hark | HardDisk_WP: use your googlefu |
| 19:45.02 | streuner | sanmarcos: a *WHOLE* distro isn't only a DE and most people use stable for servers... |
| 19:45.21 | concept10 | is 2.6.18 the newest kernel for etch? |
| 19:45.27 | streuner | yes, atm |
| 19:45.30 | sanmarcos | streuner, right, my point was, that ubuntu overtook debian on the desktop |
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| 19:45.36 | hark | HardDisk_WP: liflg.org |
| 19:45.42 | streuner | but there should be newer kernels soon |
| 19:45.45 | HardDisk_WP | concept10, unless you dont build your own, 2.6.18 is the newest |
| 19:45.48 | dvs | !info linux-image-2.6-386 stable |
| 19:45.52 | sanmarcos | streuner, stable is awesome for servers |
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| 19:46.22 | jeffwheeler | aptitude tells me it wants to remove a lot of packages that are "(testing, now)," giving me the option to cancel the removal or remove them… these include 'debhelper', 'fakeroot', 'fuse-utils', 'pkg-config', 'module-assistant', 'ruby', and even 'gnome-desktop-environment' |
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| 19:46.53 | concept10 | im fine, its way newer than my old kernel |
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| 19:46.59 | chowmeined | I cant get ftp conntrack working? I have iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 20,21 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT.. iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT as well as iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED but it still isn't working any suggestions? |
| 19:47.13 | asg | chowmeined: have you consulted #iptables yet? |
| 19:47.28 | chowmeined | these same rules work on my other machine |
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| 19:47.34 | chowmeined | but ill try #iptables |
| 19:47.37 | streuner | concept10: there is *always' backports.org or/and apt-get.org |
| 19:47.46 | \amethyst | Marenz: on the Y/n/? prompt, you can type +package1 package2 package3 package4 |
| 19:47.48 | efface | i am having a sound issue, states that "bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" |
| 19:47.53 | \amethyst | err |
| 19:47.53 | efface | anybody able to help? |
| 19:48.00 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: on the Y/n/? prompt, you can type +package1 package2 package3 package4 |
| 19:48.03 | \amethyst | Marenz: sorry |
| 19:48.12 | asg | efface: use fuser or lsof to find what is using /dev/dsp |
| 19:48.16 | asg | efface: and kill it |
| 19:48.18 | Marenz | good information anyway |
| 19:48.33 | jeffwheeler | so, should I force it to install all those 'now in testing' packages? |
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| 19:49.14 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: What does your sources.list say? etch, testing, or stable? |
| 19:49.56 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: etch, and etch/updates |
| 19:50.09 | concept10 | Anyone know if the mips cobalt does floating point? |
| 19:50.19 | jeffwheeler | \amesthyst: should I remove etch/updates? |
| 19:50.50 | jetscreamer | etch/updates should be the security line, no? |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | or stable/updates |
| 19:51.00 | chowmeined | splendid |
| 19:51.05 | chowmeined | etch gets security updates now yay |
| 19:51.10 | jeffwheeler | jetscreamer: oh, you're correct; my bad |
| 19:51.16 | dvs | chowmeined: it has for some time |
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| 19:51.25 | chowmeined | yea but real ones now |
| 19:51.30 | jetscreamer | it has for a bit, in a limited form, is what i gathered |
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| 19:52.05 | dvs | ...and now we say goodbye to woody for good. It's no longer oldstable. |
| 19:52.28 | jetscreamer | now we can say get etch even if it's a server... yay |
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| 19:52.36 | nihraguk | hi, running apt-get update gives me the following message: W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge) and W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 19:52.43 | nihraguk | running apt-get update just gives me the same error |
| 19:52.46 | jetscreamer | that is what i like best ... all there is for me to like, actually |
| 19:52.51 | nihraguk | anyone know whats wrong? |
| 19:52.57 | jetscreamer | nihraguk: change stable to etch |
| 19:53.04 | jetscreamer | bad symlink |
| 19:53.06 | chowmeined | but aptitude hangs :( |
| 19:53.07 | jetscreamer | on the site |
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| 19:53.18 | jetscreamer | non-updated symlink |
| 19:53.27 | nihraguk | jetscreamer: just for security.debian.org? |
| 19:53.38 | jindal | hey guys, I just installed etch.. its fine but drivers for my graphics card(ATI-X200) is not working... any suggestions where should i look? |
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| 19:53.45 | jetscreamer | yes but you could do both doesn't matter untill etch goes oldstable |
| 19:53.49 | jetscreamer | either way |
| 19:53.50 | nihraguk | alright, thanks |
| 19:54.07 | hark | jindal: your logs? |
| 19:54.20 | \amethyst | jindal: fglrx, which requires you to compile a kernel module |
| 19:54.22 | jindal | hark, ya mean Xorg.0.log? |
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| 19:54.48 | hark | yes, depends on what you mean by not working though.. |
| 19:54.53 | amidude | jindal: check /etx/X11/xorg.conf. Might have been overwritten. |
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| 19:55.19 | jindal | amethyst, where should i get the source of fglrx, or are there any precompiled binaries on other debian repos? |
| 19:55.36 | jindal | hark, the resolution is limited to 640x480 |
| 19:55.40 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 19:55.40 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 19:55.54 | jindal | yeah thanks wols |
| 19:56.00 | \amethyst | jindal: fglrx-kernel-src and module-assistant |
| 19:56.32 | hark | hmm, try the radeon driver first |
| 19:56.43 | jindal | hark, how? |
| 19:56.50 | \amethyst | It's not going to be accelerated on an X200 is it? |
| 19:56.55 | dvs | !drxx jindal |
| 19:56.56 | dpkg | jindal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:57.19 | h3sp4wn | It depends whether it is an X200 (or whether it is an Xpress 200) |
| 19:57.23 | lfs | If you try to install vista when Debian is installed Vista will nuke Debian? |
| 19:57.26 | h3sp4wn | dunno whether the first exists |
| 19:57.28 | hark | what is it.. an rv370? should be then |
| 19:57.35 | dvs | lfs: yes |
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| 19:57.49 | abrotman | lfs: it will nuke the bootloader for sure |
| 19:57.51 | asg | lfs: most likely, use the install disc to fix the mbr afterwards |
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| 19:58.19 | GuySoft | hello, i am running 2.6.18-4-686 on debian, i rmed by misstake the hostap.ko module, where can i get it? it wont build from the source package |
| 19:58.27 | Thms | ÷$ |
| 19:58.29 | Thms | $*ùm*$ |
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| 19:58.46 | dvs | GuySoft: apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:58.54 | SpookyET | Hell froze over. |
| 19:59.00 | jindal | thanks dvs :), it worked |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | use the metapackage! |
| 19:59.03 | GuySoft | dvsi am in a place with limited bandwith.. |
| 19:59.07 | dvs | SpookyET: yu |
| 19:59.10 | dvs | yup |
| 19:59.20 | dvs | jindal: good |
| 19:59.22 | hark | wonder how long it takes before we cross 800 here.. |
| 19:59.23 | lfs | I have two disks, Should I install Vista to the first or the second? |
| 19:59.36 | GuySoft | dvs: i am in a place with limited bandwith.. isnt there a place where i wont have to download it all? |
| 19:59.41 | dvs | lfs: first |
| 19:59.44 | lfs | I already have Debian on the first. |
| 19:59.45 | streuner | RichiH: just wait 1 or 2 weeks |
| 19:59.52 | dvs | GuySoft: webstore? |
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| 20:00.09 | abrotman | it's a 26MB file or so |
| 20:00.15 | lfs | Maybe I should just swap the cables? |
| 20:00.18 | dvs | lfs: Windows REALLY doesn't like being on any other disk but the first one |
| 20:00.30 | SpookyET | What's next, duke nukem forever will be released, bush will be impeached and shipped to Hague, |
| 20:00.39 | GuySoft | dvsis that a site? |
| 20:00.41 | nivanson | lfs, that would bring some trouble to your debian install hda/sda will be hdb/sdb |
| 20:00.56 | dvs | SpookyET: Microsoft will become ethical |
| 20:01.00 | asg | SpookyET: nah, they'll release the OpenBSD 4.1 release song |
| 20:01.01 | h3sp4wn | SpookyET: There is still e17 to be released yet also |
| 20:01.01 | SerajewelKS | lfs: if you're sane you won't install vista to either. use xp if you must use windows. |
| 20:01.14 | dvs | GuySoft: several. I like cheapbytes.com |
| 20:01.14 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: never gonna happen |
| 20:01.17 | lfs | THey dont sell XP anymore |
| 20:01.23 | lfs | At least the OEM version |
| 20:01.28 | SpookyET | asg: OpenBSD has GPL problems |
| 20:01.37 | ma3x | how can I configure RS 232 printer? |
| 20:01.38 | asg | SpookyET: not anymore |
| 20:01.45 | jetscreamer | windows doesn't care what disk it's on since w2k |
| 20:01.55 | jetscreamer | the bootloader is another question |
| 20:01.59 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: goes well the rest of my system then |
| 20:02.02 | GuySoft | they let you download single files?? |
| 20:02.05 | GuySoft | i carnt see it there |
| 20:02.12 | lfs | Sounds like I need to reinstall Debian after installing windows? |
| 20:02.17 | jetscreamer | no |
| 20:02.19 | SpookyET | asg: Windows doesnt' care on what disk it is placed as long as it is the only one on it |
| 20:02.20 | dvs | lfs: good plan |
| 20:02.25 | jetscreamer | just reinstall grub |
| 20:02.25 | SerajewelKS | lfs: just the bootloader |
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| 20:02.43 | lfs | But I have Debian on Disk one. |
| 20:02.44 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: There actually is a snapshot that is sort of released |
| 20:02.47 | jetscreamer | lfs: make a grub-floppy FIRST, or alt boot method |
| 20:03.01 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: just like the last one |
| 20:03.02 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: the debian install cd works too |
| 20:03.08 | nivanson | lfs, when you have installed windows you can start linux with live cd and chroot into your installed debian. from there you can run grub install |
| 20:03.11 | jetscreamer | lfs: jsut set the hd you install windows to be the boot one in bios |
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| 20:03.26 | jetscreamer | then configure grub appropriately |
| 20:03.34 | bubazoo | is there a bittorrent tracker for Etch yet? |
| 20:03.42 | SpookyET | Is it possible to put the iso on a partition, and boot it for installation intead of burning it onto a cd? |
| 20:03.58 | jetscreamer | after you cahnge the boot hd back configure grub i mean |
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| 20:04.22 | warjets | How do i run down what a device is that shows up as "eth0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-90-27-00-01-D8-F6-41-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00".. i gather its unspecified i'm just curious to what hardware it comes from |
| 20:04.25 | lfs | So Vista will just nuke the MBR? |
| 20:04.39 | asg | warjets: dmesg, lspci, lsusb |
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| 20:04.41 | dvs | SpookyET: I use the USB install method to use an ISO file |
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| 20:04.57 | dvs | lfs: yes |
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| 20:05.55 | warjets | eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet -- thats what i've gathered with dmesg |
| 20:06.02 | SpookyET | dvs: Isn't that bios dependent? |
| 20:06.03 | warjets | i can probably google the logs and run it down |
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| 20:06.07 | asg | warjets: then it's a firewire device |
| 20:06.10 | bubazoo | is there a bittorrent tracker for Etch yet? is it available on BitTorrent is what I'm asking, the DVD |
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| 20:06.26 | abrotman | sure |
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| 20:06.36 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 20:06.37 | dvs | SpookyET: well, your BIOS has to know how to boot from a USB drive. |
| 20:06.49 | jpsamara | Hi all! I come from ubuntu, and I want to try debian |
| 20:06.50 | SpookyET | it doesn't |
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| 20:07.01 | haggz | ive installed etch several times before, but I havent seen this option to choose between kernel versions before, what is the difference between the 2.6.18-4-686 and 2.6-686 kernel packages? |
| 20:07.03 | bubazoo | thanks abrotman |
| 20:07.03 | jpsamara | Should I download the DVD or the CD1 is fine? |
| 20:07.12 | jetscreamer | get the netinst |
| 20:07.21 | jetscreamer | cd#1 if you don't have internet on the box |
| 20:07.23 | Xenguy | jpsamara: I'm back on Debian now - you'll like Etch :-) |
| 20:07.23 | asg | jpsamara: cd1 is fine or a netinstall or even a few floppies. /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:07.27 | jetscreamer | dvd if you want more |
| 20:07.31 | abrotman | jpsamara: netinst if you have broadband |
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| 20:08.01 | jpsamara | I have broadband, but its not fast.. 60KB/s at most |
| 20:08.10 | abrotman | good enough |
| 20:08.13 | dvs | jpsamara: my mirror is still slow. I can see that there is a load on my computer at home. |
| 20:08.16 | jpsamara | at work, tomorrow, it gets faster |
| 20:08.35 | dvs | jpsamara: and I started downloading at 9am this morning (EDT) |
| 20:09.00 | GhostlyDeath | How can I make it so FRequency scaling goes down to 25%? |
| 20:09.38 | jpsamara | A question for you guys I wanted to try gnome, kde and xfce.. but i dont want the main menu to be full of all those apps.. is there a way that the menu under kde lists only certan apps, k-apps for example? |
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| 20:09.55 | jpsamara | dvs: Downloading from sweden? Downloading the Dvd? |
| 20:10.12 | abrotman | get the netinst |
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| 20:10.20 | dvs | jpsamara: I'm using jigdo with a local mirror |
| 20:10.31 | ivx | netist is the way to go |
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| 20:11.05 | zLm | the new installer in debian CID looks very sexy.. |
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| 20:11.31 | h3sp4wn | what is cid ? |
| 20:11.38 | h3sp4wn | sid doesn't have an official installer |
| 20:11.48 | zLm | h3sp4wn: corporate identity |
| 20:12.22 | omg0__ | can I format in fat on linux fat32 ? |
| 20:12.27 | zLm | h3xis: i speak about the gtk frontend in framebuffer |
| 20:12.33 | GhostlyDeath | jpsamara: under GNOME you can go to Alacarte Menu Editor |
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| 20:12.50 | GhostlyDeath | jpsamara: and check/uncheck what you want and don't want |
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| 20:13.14 | xinming_ | anyone here can tell me, How to update the super-minor for md device please? |
| 20:13.14 | nivanson | zLm, that is even in stable since today |
| 20:13.27 | h3sp4wn | zLm: I don't think the text installer can be improved its fine |
| 20:13.31 | lord_rob | h3sp4wn: my sid has been installed using woody installer ;) |
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| 20:13.37 | zLm | yeah |
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| 20:13.43 | zLm | its perfect |
| 20:13.45 | jpsamara | dvs: downloading at full speed from sweden |
| 20:13.48 | omg0__ | Can I create a fat32 partition using Linux |
| 20:13.49 | lfs | Does Debian have a lightscribe program? |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | omg0__: yes |
| 20:13.54 | abrotman | lfs: yes |
| 20:14.01 | oblio_ | sup sup |
| 20:14.10 | abrotman | eh .. i thought it did |
| 20:14.24 | oblio_ | what is a good x11 expose program? |
| 20:14.25 | lfs | gnomebaker? Does that do lightscribe? |
| 20:14.26 | SerajewelKS | omg0__: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hd.. |
| 20:14.29 | abrotman | skippy |
| 20:14.38 | h3sp4wn | oblio: engage is pretty good |
| 20:14.41 | oblio | is there anything included w/ debian that works well? |
| 20:14.41 | oblio | engage? |
| 20:14.44 | oblio | i'll check it out |
| 20:14.44 | abrotman | !info skippy etch |
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| 20:14.48 | HardDisk_WP | !seen valdyn |
| 20:14.48 | dpkg | valdyn is currently on #debian (2h 30m 10s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2h 21m 59s, last said: 'leo: testing just wont be etch anymore once etch releases'. |
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| 20:14.52 | jpsamara | which do you prefer gnome kde or xfce |
| 20:14.53 | jpsamara | ? |
| 20:14.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:14.58 | EvilDin | am is there any problem |
| 20:14.59 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 20:15.02 | oblio | jpsamara: i'm an xfce person |
| 20:15.03 | abrotman | it's gone too! |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | where have all the programs gone?! |
| 20:15.10 | EvilDin | if i update sarge with apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 20:15.15 | EvilDin | or sth else should be done ? |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | EvilDin: to do what? |
| 20:15.22 | jpsamara | oblio> is there any app that doesnt run under xfce? |
| 20:15.27 | abrotman | EvilDin: and it depends on your sources |
| 20:15.27 | oblio | eh? |
| 20:15.28 | asg | abrotman: the herd has been culled |
| 20:15.31 | EvilDin | just to update to last version of stable debian |
| 20:15.32 | oblio | it's just a window manager |
| 20:15.37 | oblio | the answer is generally no |
| 20:15.37 | dvs | EvilDin: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:15.44 | abrotman | !tell EvilDin about sarge->etch |
| 20:15.50 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please help me with a really complicated problem with a ESS1878 audio chipset? |
| 20:15.56 | EvilDin | am i just use sarge stable mirros |
| 20:15.57 | abrotman | really complicated ? |
| 20:16.00 | EvilDin | mirrors |
| 20:16.02 | joeyh | !tel joeyh about sarge->etch |
| 20:16.06 | h3sp4wn | lord_rob: obviously you are not amd64 then |
| 20:16.08 | joeyh | !tell joeyh about sarge->etch |
| 20:16.10 | abrotman | !tell joeyh about selftell |
| 20:16.11 | asg | joeyh: /msg the bot |
| 20:16.11 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# apt-cache search lightscribe |
| 20:16.12 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# |
| 20:16.13 | dvs | EvilDin: sarge is no longer stable |
| 20:16.18 | EvilDin | yea |
| 20:16.26 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman: i make modprobe snd-es18xx and it says: error: no such device |
| 20:16.27 | EvilDin | but is update with just upgrade ok or not |
| 20:16.28 | GhostlyDeath | sarge is unstable |
| 20:16.32 | joeyh | the sarge->etch factoid really needs to mention the release notes |
| 20:16.33 | jetscreamer | !stable |
| 20:16.33 | dpkg | hmm... stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Sarge (3.1), or ask me about releases. |
| 20:16.39 | asg | GhostlyDeath: it isn't |
| 20:16.40 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: so that's the wrong driver apparently |
| 20:16.42 | jetscreamer | fix it!!! |
| 20:16.43 | vin` | jpsamara: you can edit the menu in kde, configure panel -> edit Kmenu |
| 20:16.43 | joeyh | apt-get dist-upgrade will not work for most sarge->etch upgrades |
| 20:16.46 | GhostlyDeath | asg: I was joking |
| 20:16.48 | abrotman | whoops |
| 20:16.51 | GhostlyDeath | so etch is stable now? |
| 20:16.54 | asg | GhostlyDeath: /topic |
| 20:17.05 | dvs | joeyh: that's why I'm downloading the DVDs |
| 20:17.08 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: only you can update dpkg properly and swiftly and surely!!! |
| 20:17.11 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman: definitively not. but the card is a ISA thing. valdyn yesterday identified this as a possible reasob |
| 20:17.12 | dvs | GhostlyDeath: yes |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | !stable |
| 20:17.13 | dpkg | [stable] the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 20:17.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: better ? |
| 20:17.20 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 20:17.26 | jpsamara | oblio: I know but i think the main diff from gnome is that t doesnt have the full desktop env. gnome does... but im asking in practice if you stumble upon any app you want to use that you couldnt cause xfce |
| 20:17.29 | joeyh | dvs: the release notes has a documented procedure that will work |
| 20:17.30 | asg | abrotman: why oh why do they insist on releasing on a Sunday!? |
| 20:17.33 | abrotman | lfs: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=lightscribe§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 20:17.35 | jetscreamer | abrotman: now do the entire db... :) (but yes, better) |
| 20:17.41 | abrotman | asg: so they have other things to do |
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| 20:17.51 | abrotman | asg: if i weren't sick .. i'd be gone too :) |
| 20:17.51 | pingouin | what source i have to add in /etc/apt/source.list in new etch, to have all stuff in mplayer ? libcss2, win codec etc.... ? please ? |
| 20:17.55 | Mr_Dave | asg: would you prefer tuesday? |
| 20:17.56 | GhostlyDeath | I'm going to have to upgrade from "etch" (testing) to "etch" (stable) now... |
| 20:17.56 | asg | abrotman: bah |
| 20:18.01 | asg | Mr_Dave: yes |
| 20:18.04 | abrotman | asg: you don't pay me enough! |
| 20:18.11 | jetscreamer | asg: my guess was because it is sunday, and it's already crowded with the usual sunday-goers, so wtf |
| 20:18.12 | asg | abrotman: this is true |
| 20:18.13 | EvilDin | so, i use apt-get dist-upgrade, for upgrading now to last stable debian ? |
| 20:18.21 | abrotman | sure! |
| 20:18.26 | asg | jetscreamer: it was a rhetorical question |
| 20:18.28 | Mr_Dave | asg: perhaps all the patches could come out on some sort of designated tuesday of each month |
| 20:18.31 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you can update it just as well as I can; search for stable and/or sarge containing factoids, and adjust them as appropriate. |
| 20:18.33 | Mr_Dave | instead of when they're ready |
| 20:18.42 | jetscreamer | asg: yeah, but that's one of the first things i thought of too |
| 20:18.43 | Mr_Dave | that way you could plan your upgrades |
| 20:18.44 | HardDisk_WP | Mr_Dave: we are not microsoft |
| 20:19.00 | Mr_Dave | HardDisk_WP: this is my subtle way of saying I like it better the way it is |
| 20:19.00 | vin` | !listvals etch |
| 20:19.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etch' by value (15 of 148): 3.2 ;; berkeley spice ;; default-release ;; etch iso ;; etch pool ;; etch report ;; imap cheat sheet ;; my nvidia driver ;; pipeline ;; quick etch/sid mix ;; rc bugs ;; rfc1632 ;; sarge+1 ;; set time ;; stoe. |
| 20:19.03 | streuner | abrotman: http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/ |
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| 20:19.26 | jetscreamer | !listvals sarge |
| 20:19.26 | Mr_Dave | it comes out when it's ready, and when it's ready it come sout |
| 20:19.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sarge' by value (15 of 201): 3.1r3 ;; aliasbackports ;; etch upgrade path ;; get xorg ;; melted gi-joe ;; php5 ;; release ;; sarge 2.6.15 ;; sarge linux 2.6 ;; sarge xorg ;; simple sid/sarge mix ;; sing sid ;; ssm ;; stable 2.6.18 ;; stupid redhat. |
| 20:19.32 | abrotman | streuner: it keeps breaking! |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it will take you all day |
| 20:19.40 | jpsamara | Did anyone downloaded the kde-cd1 or the xfce-cd1 ? |
| 20:19.47 | roxy_ | to install my laptop I used ethernet, now I have wlan0 set, how I tell the system to stop using eth0 ? |
| 20:19.47 | jetscreamer | the what? |
| 20:19.58 | vin` | jpsamara: get the netinstaller. |
| 20:20.03 | xand | roxy_: unplug the cable? |
| 20:20.14 | jetscreamer | ifdown eth0 |
| 20:20.18 | vin` | roxy_: ifdown eth0 |
| 20:20.18 | GhostlyDeath | roxy_: Shoot the ethernet card |
| 20:20.20 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:20.21 | roxy_ | xand: did that, but still looking for eth0 |
| 20:20.23 | jpsamara | vin`: I need at least an image to upgrade my works computers |
| 20:20.25 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 20:20.31 | joeyh | if you want kde or xfce by all means download those CDs. That's what they're for. |
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| 20:20.35 | xand | roxy_: comment it out of /etc/network/interfaces if you must |
| 20:20.36 | vin` | jpsamara: no network? |
| 20:20.48 | bn` | thank you all :) |
| 20:20.58 | jpsamara | vin`: some computers are off network for security reasons |
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| 20:21.21 | GhostlyDeath | how do I get the best of my 63 ttys? |
| 20:21.22 | vin` | jpsamara: ok, get the appropriate CD[s] or DVD[s]. |
| 20:21.27 | GhostlyDeath | I can only use 7... |
| 20:21.36 | jpsamara | joeyh: yeah but I never downloaded those from debian |
| 20:21.36 | joeyh | jpsamara: you may have better luck with dvd one for offline upgrades. All the stuff is might not be on one CD |
| 20:22.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 20:22.11 | jpsamara | joeyh: Good point |
| 20:22.11 | jetscreamer | dvd good for no net |
| 20:22.27 | jetscreamer | there are 3 total, iirc |
| 20:22.32 | HardDisk_WP | GhostlyDeath: :p. for every tty you have to spawn a getty instance |
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| 20:22.44 | jetscreamer | you don't 'have' to get them all |
| 20:22.46 | joeyh | you can probably get away with only the first one |
| 20:22.56 | roxy_ | in /etc/network/interface can I just s/eth0/wlan0 ? |
| 20:23.03 | ChristophE | Hi HardDisk |
| 20:23.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi ChristophE |
| 20:23.16 | HardDisk_WP | ChristophE: what's up? |
| 20:23.26 | roxy_ | that would give: auto wlan0 \n iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 20:23.34 | ChristophE | hab nur gesehen das du dich auch auf wikipedia-de tummelst ^^ |
| 20:23.41 | HardDisk_WP | ChristophE: aso^^ |
| 20:23.45 | vin` | roxy_: you could also just let networkmanager handle it. |
| 20:23.46 | abrotman | !c |
| 20:23.46 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | bah |
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| 20:24.25 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:24.59 | abrotman | why? |
| 20:25.15 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman: croatia is better than new zealand :p |
| 20:25.23 | concept10 | I want to go to Sealand |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | ok |
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| 20:25.38 | HardDisk_WP | <-- croatian |
| 20:25.47 | ChristophE | Sealand is better than croatia |
| 20:25.49 | ChristophE | :> |
| 20:25.55 | HardDisk_WP | yes^^ |
| 20:25.59 | vchrizz | ive got a problem with mdadm .. raid1 doesnt start after i exchanged the spare disk... http://rafb.net/p/eBYCOW89.html |
| 20:26.20 | SpookyET | Romania is better than Croatia. |
| 20:26.29 | p3rti | hi.. |
| 20:26.33 | ChristophE | ive got a Problem with my wife |
| 20:26.41 | HardDisk_WP | ChristophE: what problem? |
| 20:26.45 | HardDisk_WP | !women? |
| 20:26.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html |
| 20:26.49 | asg | ChristophE: #dearabby |
| 20:26.52 | p3rti | i have a little problem.. i'm installed very fine fglrx driver of ati.. but when i try to startx i get.. |
| 20:26.54 | p3rti | (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 20:26.56 | vchrizz | ChristophE then just throuh it out of the window |
| 20:27.01 | p3rti | (EE) fglrx(0): === [R200PreInitDAL] === DALEnableInstance faile |
| 20:27.08 | ChristophE | she doesn't like Motorbikes :-( |
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| 20:27.16 | p3rti | and anothers errors.. and on /etc/X11/xorg.conf BusID it's removed. |
| 20:27.25 | p3rti | what it could be? |
| 20:27.40 | Drewane | hello |
| 20:27.59 | vchrizz | p3rti sure youre using correct modules for your graphics card? |
| 20:28.21 | p3rti | vchrizz, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] |
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| 20:28.29 | kuba | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.49 | piper69 | ? |
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| 20:29.02 | Boter | hej |
| 20:29.02 | wols_ | kuba: do you mean the environment? |
| 20:29.06 | p3rti | vchrizz, i mean.. its ati.. and.. fglrx its the driver of ATI or no? |
| 20:29.16 | Boter | http://paste.konzola.net/31 |
| 20:29.17 | Boter | http://paste.konzola.net/32 |
| 20:29.21 | Boter | any idea? |
| 20:29.27 | kuba | i am learning to write scripts |
| 20:29.30 | vchrizz | p3rti ive got radeon 7500 and i use "radeon" |
| 20:29.31 | warjets | wols_: you left before i could tell you that the backported installer you showed me worked. thanks a lot |
| 20:29.48 | p3rti | vchrizz, yes.. i try radeon too. but i got the same error |
| 20:29.56 | vchrizz | p3rti, sorry its "radeonfb" |
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| 20:30.00 | wols_ | p3rti: you can either use VESA or fglrx, nothing else |
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| 20:30.11 | p3rti | wols_, with vesa works fine |
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| 20:30.24 | wols_ | as for busid: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and leave the busid field blank |
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| 20:30.39 | vchrizz | Section "Device" |
| 20:30.39 | vchrizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.39 | vchrizz | # Driver "ivtvdev" |
| 20:30.39 | vchrizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.39 | vchrizz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.41 | wols_ | p3rti: then stay with it or use fgrlx |
| 20:30.43 | p3rti | wols_, its the same that remove the line BusID or no? |
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| 20:30.48 | vchrizz | oh sorry |
| 20:31.03 | wols_ | p3rti: radeon will never ever work for you, period |
| 20:31.27 | p3rti | wols_, radeon dont support Ati X1600? |
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| 20:31.40 | wols_ | do I have to write it a 3rd time? |
| 20:32.16 | p3rti | wols_, i dont understand.. you say that radeon dont work for me. |
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| 20:32.26 | hark | p3rti: it doesn't. man radeon |
| 20:32.28 | wols_ | yes I do |
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| 20:32.41 | p3rti | wols_, and fglrx driver ?? |
| 20:32.52 | h3sp4wn | man radeon is out of date anyway |
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| 20:33.15 | roxy_ | where should I set essid so I don't have to iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys at next boot ? |
| 20:33.22 | wols_ | roxy_: interfaces |
| 20:33.22 | vchrizz | could someone have a look at my mdadm problem? i dont know how to get it running again... pasted also details .. http://rafb.net/p/eBYCOW89.html |
| 20:33.26 | p3rti | wols_, -.-" |
| 20:33.29 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
| 20:33.39 | p3rti | wols_, you are a bad person. |
| 20:33.47 | wols_ | roxy_: prefix "wireless". wireless tools doc has something about it |
| 20:33.53 | wols_ | wireless_essid or such |
| 20:33.59 | vchrizz | p3rti and you should learn to read english ;) |
| 20:34.26 | enouf | is it purrdie? or pardie? |
| 20:34.35 | wols_ | enouf: l337 |
| 20:34.42 | jetscreamer | purty |
| 20:34.44 | wols_ | !nickometer p3rti |
| 20:34.45 | dpkg | 'p3rti' is 22.000% lame, wols_ |
| 20:34.52 | wols_ | needs more capitals |
| 20:35.01 | vchrizz | !nickometer vchrizz |
| 20:35.03 | dpkg | 'vchrizz' is 0.000% lame, vchrizz |
| 20:35.06 | vchrizz | lol |
| 20:35.20 | jetscreamer | lowercase no nums or other char |
| 20:35.23 | Boter | !nickometer Boter |
| 20:35.24 | jetscreamer | ==0 |
| 20:35.24 | Thms | !nickometer Thms |
| 20:35.25 | dpkg | 'Boter' is 0.000% lame, boter |
| 20:35.26 | dpkg | 'Thms' is 0.000% lame, thms |
| 20:35.31 | Boter | ;) |
| 20:35.40 | VChriZZ | !nickometer vchrizz |
| 20:35.42 | dpkg | 'vchrizz' is 0.000% lame, vchrizz |
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| 20:35.50 | bolt | quit the nickometer spamming please |
| 20:35.50 | enouf | !botabuse |
| 20:35.50 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:35.52 | VChriZZ | !nickometer VChriZZ |
| 20:35.54 | dpkg | 'VChriZZ' is 33.000% lame, vchrizz |
| 20:35.55 | VChriZZ | lol |
| 20:35.58 | jetscreamer | !debian-bbots |
| 20:36.02 | jeffwheeler | !nickometer nokrev |
| 20:36.03 | dpkg | 'nokrev' is 0.000% lame, jeffwheeler |
| 20:36.03 | jetscreamer | !debian-bots |
| 20:36.04 | dpkg | debian-bots is probably #debian-bots where little kids play with their toys. |
| 20:36.19 | vchrizz | !nickometer kernel-2.6.20-4 |
| 20:36.21 | dpkg | 'kernel-2.6.20-4' is 99.650% lame, vchrizz |
| 20:36.26 | wols_ | vchrizz: stop that! |
| 20:36.31 | vchrizz | gg ok |
| 20:36.32 | enouf | STOP! |
| 20:36.34 | jeffwheeler | jetscreamer: thanks :) |
| 20:36.47 | Drewane | bye |
| 20:36.53 | vchrizz | sorry beeing so childish :P |
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| 20:38.25 | misreckoning | congratulations! |
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| 20:38.58 | misreckoning | the sarge is dead, long live the etch! :) |
| 20:39.06 | J`` | YOU BASTARDS! YOU RELEASED ETCH THE SECOND I DOWNLOADED THE TEST ISO! |
| 20:39.13 | asg | misreckoning: sarge isn't dead |
| 20:39.14 | shay | LOL |
| 20:39.19 | misreckoning | ;) |
| 20:39.24 | J`` | DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING LONG IT TAKES TO DOWNLOAD!? |
| 20:39.29 | J`` | (caps neccessary) |
| 20:39.36 | vchrizz | lol J`` |
| 20:39.37 | misreckoning | J``: err ... |
| 20:39.38 | asg | J``: no, they aren't |
| 20:39.42 | shay | J``, five minutos in a decent connection? |
| 20:39.48 | J`` | Teh? |
| 20:39.50 | J`` | "decent" |
| 20:39.50 | enouf | J``: lemmee guess .. you're a fool that ad/l form /current .. |
| 20:39.51 | sanmarcos | J``, nobody gives a shit, calm down or get out |
| 20:39.52 | J`` | "decent"?! |
| 20:39.59 | shay | yeah, like 100mbps |
| 20:40.01 | J`` | .. |
| 20:40.05 | shay | oh, you're talking about the CD? |
| 20:40.10 | shay | I thought you meant the DVD |
| 20:40.19 | J`` | wtf? 100mbps isnt DECENT!? |
| 20:40.22 | jeffwheeler | should've gotten the businesscard, then there'd be no problems ;) |
| 20:40.22 | shay | :D |
| 20:40.27 | enouf | er d/l from the /current dir .. not reading .. hence a barbie |
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| 20:40.51 | h3sp4wn | 100mbps is damn slow |
| 20:40.52 | shay | dondelelcaro, is something wrong with bugs.*? |
| 20:41.00 | sanmarcos | lelelelcaro |
| 20:41.01 | J`` | 100mbps isn't the standard shit in homes :| |
| 20:41.06 | J`` | where the fuck do you live, china?! |
| 20:41.07 | roxy_ | wols_: working, thanks |
| 20:41.14 | sanmarcos | J``, in your home |
| 20:41.17 | jeffwheeler | J``: cam donw |
| 20:41.20 | jeffwheeler | * down |
| 20:41.20 | abrotman | J``: who cares .. just use that one |
| 20:41.22 | schme | J``: You shouldn't be surprised. The release of Etch was announced several months ago (: |
| 20:41.22 | enouf | under yhour bed |
| 20:41.29 | enouf | bah .. digits |
| 20:41.31 | h3sp4wn | J``: m is micro |
| 20:41.35 | J`` | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released |
| 20:41.35 | J`` | April 8th, 2007 |
| 20:41.36 | J`` | . |
| 20:41.37 | enouf | haha |
| 20:41.39 | shay | schme, last year to be precise |
| 20:41.49 | asg | J``: and when did you start downloading? |
| 20:41.52 | Dave_is_sexy | hiya folks. is there a shell which does away with the title bar on for each window, or combines the title bar and menu bar like on mac osx? |
| 20:41.55 | J`` | Like, yesterday |
| 20:42.13 | enouf | Dave_is_sexy: want tabs? |
| 20:42.17 | schme | J``: Install. net upgrade. all is well. |
| 20:42.18 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: you can run a titlebar-less Eterm and xterm and god knows whatelse |
| 20:42.19 | shay | J``, just do a clean install (don't select nothing on taskel" and do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:42.23 | shay | should be enough |
| 20:42.24 | asg | J``: then you get to start again, or just use a netinst or a few floppies. /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:42.29 | sanmarcos | cocksuckers |
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| 20:42.48 | shay | what the fuck is wrong with this users nowadays |
| 20:42.55 | schme | It's the etch fever. |
| 20:42.57 | enouf | !tardsday |
| 20:42.58 | dpkg | tardsday is, like, sunday |
| 20:43.02 | J`` | they're angry because they think BSD IS TEH OMG RULAGE LOLE |
| 20:43.08 | J`` | we'll show them. |
| 20:43.11 | J`` | those angry barstools. |
| 20:43.13 | asg | J``: it is, but that's beside the point |
| 20:43.16 | abrotman | J``: STOP |
| 20:43.26 | enouf | asg: ack to that |
| 20:43.39 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: i dunno what eterms and xterms are (yet), but how can i run a titlebar less one? |
| 20:43.40 | shay | I'm getting pissed that every newbie thinks that open source project's IRC channels are something that MUST give them the service they want |
| 20:44.01 | J`` | is that at me ? >.> |
| 20:44.03 | asg | enouf: 16:43 CTCP VERSION reply from asg: irssi v0.8.10 - running on OpenBSD i386 |
| 20:44.06 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: read the man page |
| 20:44.23 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:44.28 | Dave_is_sexy | they put THAT in the manual? Wow I'm impressed |
| 20:44.53 | shay | Dave_is_sexy, they put everything in the manual :) |
| 20:44.59 | shay | that's what the manual is for |
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| 20:45.06 | centrx | yea that's what it's for |
| 20:45.07 | Dave_is_sexy | :D good for them! What a nice change |
| 20:45.12 | enouf | asg: i misunderstood, but i'll leave it there for now .. in this chnnael ;-P |
| 20:45.17 | schme | OpenBSD would be nice to run if it wasn't so hog darn slow, and sbcl worked. |
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| 20:45.54 | schme | :S |
| 20:45.54 | asg | enouf: I maintain a large number of Debian servers and have been involved here for years. That doesn't mean I run Debian for everything ;) |
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| 20:46.31 | enouf | asg: capisce ;-) .. |
| 20:46.34 | shay | yeah I remember asg from, like, five years ago or something |
| 20:46.40 | shay | maybe more |
| 20:46.44 | shay | my memory sucks |
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| 20:46.56 | shaolin_ | hi orby! |
| 20:46.56 | asg | shay: /msg nickserv info asg |
| 20:47.25 | Orby | hello shao_lap |
| 20:47.30 | cokeslut | Hello |
| 20:47.31 | shao_lap | :D |
| 20:47.36 | shay | asg, I won :P |
| 20:47.38 | shay | 23:46 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname: Shay << ONLINE >> |
| 20:47.39 | shay | 23:46 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 5 years 14 weeks 2 days (10h 12m 19s) ago |
| 20:47.46 | Orby | shao_lap, your stalking me again ;) |
| 20:47.49 | shao_lap | lol |
| 20:47.53 | Orby | shao_lap, or is it the other way around :| |
| 20:47.54 | shao_lap | I am always here :p |
| 20:47.58 | Orby | ah |
| 20:47.58 | Dave_is_sexy | ... and can anyone tell me what modules i need to install in order to use a usb memory stick as random access memory? Asking a search engine just brings up web stores |
| 20:48.04 | shao_lap | just not active |
| 20:48.04 | Orby | shao_lap, i'm stalking you then :D |
| 20:48.07 | shao_lap | lol |
| 20:48.10 | asg | shay: had a different nick before that though but someone took it when I was offline for more than a month :/ |
| 20:48.15 | enouf | they both have their pluses i'm sure, but i'm a deb guy (atleast for a while, and always will be to a degree), but i really wish there was mouch more open source hardware out there, rather than toddler snadbox brawling over who doe what with which driver devel, and licensing disagreements .. oh well, such is life |
| 20:48.26 | shay | asg, yeah right :P |
| 20:48.31 | Harzilein | Dave_is_sexy: you don't want to use them as swap |
| 20:48.37 | enouf | s/doe/does |
| 20:48.47 | Hoxzer_ | does somebody here use torrentflux? |
| 20:48.49 | Dave_is_sexy | you wouldn't believe how slow the machine is. i do want to |
| 20:48.52 | Harzilein | Dave_is_sexy: it wears them down quickly |
| 20:48.56 | Dave_is_sexy | oh really? |
| 20:48.58 | Dave_is_sexy | darn |
| 20:49.01 | J`` | Dave_is_sexy, it'd break the flash drive |
| 20:49.05 | Dave_is_sexy | right |
| 20:49.10 | Dave_is_sexy | aw. |
| 20:49.18 | Harzilein | Dave_is_sexy: swap to net |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | it would not break it |
| 20:49.30 | Dave_is_sexy | net? Internet? |
| 20:49.34 | Harzilein | i don't know what happened to the swatch to net patch set |
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| 20:49.41 | asg | shay: heh |
| 20:49.48 | Harzilein | maybe its features are already in the normal kernel |
| 20:50.04 | Dave_is_sexy | like ... use a network type swap? Where can I find out about that? What terms should I look for? |
| 20:50.06 | Harzilein | it was mainly about not swapping out things you need to swap out things |
| 20:50.14 | J`` | later kids <3 |
| 20:50.21 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: yes, i do |
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| 20:51.03 | Dave_is_sexy | ...and pcmcia-ram doesn't exist no? |
| 20:51.07 | Harzilein | Dave_is_sexy: in most cases swapping to net is not useful |
| 20:51.15 | enouf | what? |
| 20:51.27 | asg | abrotman: can we call it bunbun then? |
| 20:51.32 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: how much harddisk space do you have? |
| 20:51.34 | Harzilein | Dave_is_sexy: but swapfile on nfs might have some relevant results |
| 20:51.39 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: are you having problems with it? |
| 20:51.42 | Dave_is_sexy | well how can i speed it up? It's a laptop and doesnt seem to be upgradable |
| 20:51.48 | abrotman | then stop fucking with it |
| 20:51.59 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: load less shit is the best way |
| 20:52.06 | enouf | oh .. heh .. 10 mill should be plenty to start an hardware chipset dev. business ;-) |
| 20:52.19 | pipeline | abrotman: it would be debian, only without any dds. |
| 20:52.31 | wols_ | enouf: a very small fabless op maybe. but just maybe |
| 20:52.53 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: gr8 |
| 20:53.01 | enouf | wols_: right .. add a few venture capitalists, good to go |
| 20:53.05 | wols_ | abrotman: Debian can't be debian without DFSG. does ubuntu have such a thing? |
| 20:53.18 | abrotman | NFC ... DFC |
| 20:53.25 | Dave_is_sexy | lol. well yeah. it's pretty slick as it is. everything is very minimalist, but just loading openoffice and seamonkey is byebye functionality |
| 20:53.37 | asg | abrotman: getting itchy for some football? |
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| 20:53.52 | enouf | Dave_is_sexy: try links -g as a browser |
| 20:54.00 | abrotman | asg: No fucking clue .. don't fucking care :) |
| 20:54.07 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: how much ram do you have? |
| 20:54.10 | enouf | Dave_is_sexy: 64MB systme RAM? |
| 20:54.19 | Dave_is_sexy | i have lynx. its very cool, but not great for everything |
| 20:54.20 | asg | abrotman: I know |
| 20:54.27 | Dave_is_sexy | 256 allegedly |
| 20:54.28 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: I have been having this problem for a while now. So I'm running apache2 with php4. I have tf23 but this problem appeared in older version too. When I only choose a part of to torrent for download, download fails immediately after start |
| 20:54.31 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: yeah right. open office. that's the biggest mem hog ever |
| 20:54.32 | enouf | Dave_is_sexy: no capisce |
| 20:54.34 | Dave_is_sexy | you wouldn't think it htough |
| 20:54.48 | Hoxzer_ | *to torrent -> the torrent |
| 20:54.48 | abrotman | gotta be a troll |
| 20:54.51 | enouf | oh dear .. |
| 20:54.52 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: I run debian on a P2 300 128MB and it runs fine |
| 20:54.57 | asg | abrotman: now, it's time to go for a pint with spoopin. later. |
| 20:54.58 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: I bet you use kde or gnome? |
| 20:54.59 | dfa001 | you should be using php5 Hoxzer |
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| 20:55.03 | Dave_is_sexy | xfce |
| 20:55.10 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: strange |
| 20:55.16 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: use iceweasel. it runs fine in 128 |
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| 20:55.19 | wols_ | and stop use OOo |
| 20:55.25 | hark | haha |
| 20:55.30 | dfa001 | ive never had problems with tf23 on php5 php4 seems a little coocoo |
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| 20:55.51 | Dave_is_sexy | hmm. wel i like xfce. the gtk basis means it should be kind on resources with other gtk aps running |
| 20:55.57 | Dave_is_sexy | no i need ooo |
| 20:56.22 | wols_ | tough shit, then buy 256MB more RAM |
| 20:56.33 | rcc | m68k got dropped? |
| 20:56.34 | enouf | indeed .. more even |
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| 20:56.54 | Dave_is_sexy | wols_: how about you go read 30 lines up and work out why i can't |
| 20:56.58 | enouf | XPoop equivs would require more than 256 easily |
| 20:57.03 | wols_ | apparently they move to their own infrastructure. kinda like amd64 before etch |
| 20:57.11 | pipeline | rcc: Sort of but not really. Etch dropped all the niche architectures as release critical. |
| 20:57.34 | pipeline | rcc: so there's still an active m68k port, but post-Sarge bits of it might be missing, there might not be a release etc... |
| 20:57.37 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: well, more swap won#t help you. either you put more ram in that beast, get different hardware or drop OOo. those are your choices |
| 20:57.59 | enouf | I've actually seen Xpoop[tm] run on a 128MB dellio .. all i can say is .. slug on acid |
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| 20:58.23 | wols_ | enouf: XPoop? |
| 20:58.38 | enouf | wols_: dn;t forget the [TM] ;-) |
| 20:58.43 | Dave_is_sexy | wols_: yes once again i cannot put more ram in the beast, hence asking about external ram solutions |
| 20:58.46 | EmleyMoor | Is there a program for playing ROL files, or converting them to something more modern, in Debian? |
| 20:59.12 | enouf | wols_: Redmond OS |
| 20:59.18 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: does not exist. nothing is faster than your harddisk |
| 20:59.30 | anonobomber | Dave_is_sexy: have you tried doing a web browser and using google docs? |
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| 21:00.03 | haris | how can you determine where your mail foler (for system mail) is? |
| 21:00.08 | Dave_is_sexy | i have no idea what google docs is, but if it's results are as dire as those of most google services i'll give it a miss |
| 21:00.20 | enouf | haris: look in /var/mail/ |
| 21:00.56 | haris | enouf: no definitive way? I'm speaking to a user who appears to have mail enabled (in the mail group) but there's nothing uner /var/mail |
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| 21:01.22 | haris | *under |
| 21:01.26 | enouf | haris: I'm sure hteer is, but i don't know |
| 21:01.26 | wols_ | haris: no definitive way. do you run your own mailserver (pop3 or imap)? |
| 21:01.50 | enouf | haris: i don't even use email :-P |
| 21:01.51 | wols_ | haris: try to connect to port 110 and 143 with telnet. check if one answers |
| 21:01.52 | haris | wols_: I'm trying to get fetchmail set up for them, which would work with pop |
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| 21:02.15 | wols_ | haris: no it doesn't work with pop |
| 21:02.23 | wols_ | at least not on your system but only the remote |
| 21:02.23 | haris | checking fetchmail logs suggests it successfully logs in, gets the mail, but no indication as to where it is |
| 21:02.24 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.33 | enouf | haris: but I know where the documentation is, and wher many settings for exim4 are ;-P |
| 21:02.39 | wols_ | fetchmail fetches mail from pop or imap and feeds it to localhost port 25 (the mta) |
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| 21:02.49 | haris | right |
| 21:03.01 | wols_ | haris: by default it forwards it to exim4 |
| 21:03.15 | haris | thanks, I'll look into it |
| 21:03.20 | wols_ | and exim3 by default puts it into /var/mail |
| 21:03.28 | wols_ | exim4 |
| 21:03.41 | enouf | wols_: fwiw ..exim4 only here .. and that's where my user mail is |
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| 21:03.53 | enouf | wols_: as you know, that can be altered ;-0 |
| 21:04.09 | haris | exim4 |
| 21:04.10 | wols_ | enouf: ... by default ... |
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| 21:04.13 | haris | oop |
| 21:04.23 | superm1 | congrats debian devs on etch release :) |
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| 21:05.56 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: Ok, done but I still have same problem |
| 21:06.04 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: I'm on php5 now |
| 21:06.05 | rahul | :O |
| 21:06.07 | rahul | ETCH! |
| 21:06.12 | dfa001 | hmmm |
| 21:06.21 | dfa001 | one sec, lemme check something on TF |
| 21:06.45 | jeffloc | does that mean etch is now stable, and sid is now testing? |
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| 21:07.51 | wols_ | jeffloc: sid is always and will always be unstable |
| 21:07.51 | haggz | jeffloc: lenny is testing |
| 21:07.51 | wols_ | jeffloc: new testing is/will be lenny |
| 21:07.58 | jeffloc | ok |
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| 21:08.54 | simonrvn | is lenny. see /topic |
| 21:09.00 | simonrvn | http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/20070408-etch-release/release.txt |
| 21:09.19 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: try reinstalling TF from the download from torrentflux.com |
| 21:09.27 | simonrvn | !lenny released is <reply>http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/20070408-etch-release/release.txt |
| 21:09.27 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 21:09.32 | simonrvn | @lenny released is <reply>http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/20070408-etch-release/release.txt |
| 21:09.32 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 21:09.37 | jeffloc | I didn't look |
| 21:09.38 | jeffloc | :) |
| 21:09.39 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001:.... |
| 21:09.54 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: I have already tried that in later versions |
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| 21:10.04 | haggz | are the lenny and sid repos usable currently, or will they be a mess for a few days as stuff is migrated? |
| 21:10.15 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: oh, well thats strange, ive never seen that happen before |
| 21:10.16 | wols_ | haris: likely a mess |
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| 21:10.25 | wols_ | haggz: I'd wait a bit |
| 21:10.35 | haris | wols_: yeah |
| 21:10.41 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: Yeah, this is really killing me as there is no info about this on internet |
| 21:10.52 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_:yeah |
| 21:11.00 | dfa001 | sounds like it might be a configuration problem |
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| 21:11.14 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: What modules do you have loaded ? |
| 21:11.39 | Hoxzer_ | dev said me once that this is bittornado problem |
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| 21:11.58 | Hoxzer_ | However :D I have no idea how to fix this |
| 21:12.11 | simonrvn | @forget lenny released |
| 21:12.11 | ravenbird | simonrvn: i forgot lenny released |
| 21:12.15 | simonrvn | !forget lenny released |
| 21:12.16 | dpkg | i forgot lenny released, simonrvn |
| 21:12.17 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: do you think this might be caused by small port range? |
| 21:12.17 | haggz | wols_: thanks, I just did a basic etch netinstall on my "guinea pig" machine and then cloned the partition so I have clean setups ready to be upgraded to lenny and sid, but ill wait to actually change sources and dist-upgrade. |
| 21:12.28 | simonrvn | !etch released is <reply>http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/20070408-etch-release/release.txt |
| 21:12.29 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 21:12.29 | dfa001 | mod_security, mod_rewrite, mod_proxy, mod_php5, mod_ruby, mod_perl, about 10 others |
| 21:12.33 | simonrvn | duh me :) |
| 21:12.40 | simonrvn | @etch released is <reply>http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/20070408-etch-release/release.txt |
| 21:12.41 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 21:13.00 | bier_ | does anybody know how to extract "winzip self-extracting .exe files" with linux? is there any tool available? |
| 21:13.11 | simonrvn | unzip |
| 21:13.19 | GNAM | debian dvd iso are 4.7gb, and they cannot stay in a fat 32 partition |
| 21:13.20 | GNAM | auasu |
| 21:13.28 | crazy_penguin | 'night to all! |
| 21:13.38 | GNAM | size limit is 4.3*10^9 bytes |
| 21:13.45 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: ok, I have: mod_php5 and mod_rewrite |
| 21:13.46 | abrotman | okay.. so use the netinst |
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| 21:14.02 | bier_ | didn't work with unzip... but i didn't check the manpage yet.. maybe there is a parameter available, don't know... |
| 21:14.10 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: hmmm, thats weird. maybe its a php configuration thing |
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| 21:14.17 | simonrvn | that's how i've done it in the past |
| 21:15.12 | koeien | i'm upgrading sarge->etch; but aptitude wants to install apache2. is there any way I can see why ? |
| 21:15.23 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: your best bet would be posting onto the torrentflux forum |
| 21:15.25 | abrotman | bier_: the newest winzip uses a compression method that only winzip can open (if used) |
| 21:15.42 | abrotman | koeien: apache2-common ? |
| 21:15.50 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: actually I did :P "few" months ago |
| 21:15.58 | dfa001 | oh, =( |
| 21:16.08 | koeien | apache2.2-common, apache2-utils |
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| 21:16.27 | abrotman | koeien: that's not actually the server |
| 21:16.49 | Hoxzer_ | http://www.torrentflux.com/forum/index.php/topic,1809.0.html dfa001 |
| 21:16.52 | koeien | okay; but is there a way i can see what packages depend on it and why it is actually fetching those? |
| 21:16.53 | bier_ | abrotman: thanks... then i'll setup a wintendo vm and give it a try... |
| 21:16.55 | sceadugenga | Lenny is the new testing? which one was lenny from toy story? |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | binoculars |
| 21:17.23 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: I might try fresh install of tf23 but I'm afraid it wont help :/ |
| 21:17.27 | koeien | :) |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | koeien: i think it's php4/5 |
| 21:17.39 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: never hurts to try though |
| 21:17.39 | sceadugenga | oh thats right :D |
| 21:17.48 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: what size port range do you have? |
| 21:18.21 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: my port range is 40 ports |
| 21:18.22 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_:49160-49300 |
| 21:18.29 | Hoxzer_ | :P |
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| 21:18.39 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: well you have 140 ports so ... |
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| 21:18.49 | putnam | is there a channel for debian on macbooks? or maybe a more general linux on macbook |
| 21:19.00 | abrotman | it's i386 .. what's hard about it ? |
| 21:19.00 | koeien | hmm i don't think any of those are installed |
| 21:19.01 | Hoxzer_ | you could try to increase my port range as I have heard it might have something to do with this |
| 21:19.02 | koeien | investigating |
| 21:19.13 | Hoxzer_ | you -> I |
| 21:20.06 | Hoxzer_ | dfa001: anywyas thx, for your time -> sleep |
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| 21:20.24 | dfa001 | Hoxzer_: no problem, sorry i couldn thelp that much |
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| 21:21.35 | Yusuke | could someone here help me with something? |
| 21:22.24 | abrotman | you gotta ask first |
| 21:23.02 | Yusuke | well i'm currently on vista, it came with my new laptop... i am wanting to make sure i know how to get my wireless working before i install debian |
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| 21:23.11 | Yusuke | was wanting maybe some steps to do before-hand |
| 21:23.32 | abrotman | and which wifi is it ? |
| 21:23.37 | haggz | yusuke: first thing to do is find out the chipset your wireless uses and if there is a good driver for it |
| 21:23.38 | Yusuke | my wireless is working on vista, i mean i want to make sure i can get it work on deb |
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| 21:23.58 | ivx | yusuke, what wifi card do you have? |
| 21:24.01 | DjMadness | [Yusuke]> well what wireless chip do you have ? |
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| 21:24.22 | Yusuke | i'm not sure, i just got the laptop.. brand new |
| 21:24.22 | chowmeined | Whenever the machine shuts down it says, "Can't deactive volume group logical volume in use".. is this normal? I dont want to corrupt the filesystem |
| 21:24.46 | abrotman | Yusuke: go into the device manager .. find out |
| 21:25.16 | Yusuke | and where might that be on vista? |
| 21:25.23 | ivx | Yusuke, yeah no one will be able to tell you if it will work without know what it is, |
| 21:25.37 | abrotman | Yusuke: uhm ... it's windows .. shouldn't it be easy ? |
| 21:26.13 | xand | not easy, just shit |
| 21:26.13 | Yusuke | well on xp it would be fairly easy, i have had vista less than a week and haven't learned it yet |
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| 21:26.25 | abrotman | Yusuke: so go find the control panel and find it |
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| 21:26.25 | xand | it's in the same place as XP |
| 21:26.36 | Yusuke | used debian for awhile before and i bought this laptop with the intent of putting it on it |
| 21:26.41 | ivx | yusuke, what kind of notbook is it? |
| 21:26.51 | Yusuke | toshiba |
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| 21:27.01 | ivx | toshiba what |
| 21:27.05 | fasta | How can I tell Iceweasel to send a different browser identifier to websites? |
| 21:27.13 | abrotman | go in to the damn control panel and find it |
| 21:27.23 | abrotman | fasta: about:config .. change it in there |
| 21:27.30 | abrotman | or find that weird plugin that does it |
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| 21:27.48 | wols_ | user agent switcher |
| 21:27.50 | Yusuke | satellite series |
| 21:27.52 | dfa001 | fasta: USer Agent Switcher |
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| 21:28.14 | abrotman | Yusuke: go into the control panel and find it .. it's just like XP .. it's not that hard |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | we can't tell you what your hardware .. you tell us |
| 21:28.23 | fasta | abrotman: other browsers have it in a real menu. In about:config there are about a zillion options, IIRC. Sorry, for asking... |
| 21:28.34 | Yusuke | i know, was answering a question |
| 21:28.35 | ivx | yusuke, okay, find out what kind of card it is, i don't think anyone wants to keep holding your hand |
| 21:28.39 | abrotman | fasta: you can filter .. but i think wols_ has it right |
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| 21:28.58 | fasta | "go in to the damn control panel and find it" <- this wasn't for me? |
| 21:29.13 | abrotman | no |
| 21:29.17 | xand | fasta: is your name Yusuke? |
| 21:29.29 | fasta | xand: no, I am tired, I guess |
| 21:29.31 | xand | nm |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | AFAIK .. iceweasel doesn't have a control panel |
| 21:29.36 | wols_ | abrotman: I always have |
| 21:29.49 | wols_ | abrotman: mine does. about:config. sorta :) |
| 21:29.56 | abrotman | wols_: i don't mess with the UA .. i don't care enough :) |
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| 21:30.10 | wols_ | I did once way back when |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | i only knew it was in about:config from looking for something else |
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| 21:31.00 | Yusuke | intel pro |
| 21:31.03 | Xorm | oSHI |
| 21:31.06 | Xorm | etch is out? |
| 21:31.09 | Xorm | schweet. |
| 21:31.14 | Xorm | uhh, question+ |
| 21:31.30 | Xorm | Does it matter if I:m using RC2? |
| 21:31.30 | xand | Yusuke: there'll be a number... like 3945abg or something |
| 21:31.37 | ivx | yusuke, you don't have a model number? and it might work, intel has OS drivers |
| 21:31.38 | wols_ | Xorm: no |
| 21:31.40 | xand | Xorm: matter to whom? |
| 21:31.41 | abrotman | Xorm: what do your sources point at ? |
| 21:31.49 | abrotman | and have you done an upgrade lately ? |
| 21:31.52 | Yusuke | 3945ABG |
| 21:31.57 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 21:31.57 | dpkg | ipw3945 is, like, http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 21:32.00 | Xorm | I just installed rc2 like, last week. |
| 21:32.15 | abrotman | that's fine ... |
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| 21:32.43 | xand | Xorm: not much has changed |
| 21:32.55 | Xorm | http://rafb.net/p/b3CUnX49.txt |
| 21:33.00 | Xorm | my sources.list |
| 21:33.16 | Xorm | apart from the commented lines it looks like its normal. |
| 21:33.21 | fasta | (It was in about:config -> search for useragent) |
| 21:33.28 | abrotman | Xorm: except the debian-multimedia line .. looks fine |
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| 21:33.43 | bigon | hi, is it normal that the etch-proposed-update release file doesn't have any reference for the amd64 arch? |
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| 21:34.11 | abrotman | is xorm coming back ? |
| 21:34.32 | wols_ | abrotman: how should we know? |
| 21:34.35 | wols_ | do you miss him already? |
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| 21:34.54 | abrotman | shut it fathead~! |
| 21:35.13 | wols_ | better than a fatass like you |
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| 21:35.31 | abrotman | that's cakebutt ... not fatass |
| 21:35.42 | wols_ | what flavour cake? |
| 21:35.54 | abrotman | wedding |
| 21:36.03 | wols_ | too sweet |
| 21:36.13 | wols_ | and those figurins are so hard to swallow |
| 21:36.20 | abrotman | swallow ? |
| 21:36.27 | abrotman | we had already had the cake .. it was beerpong time |
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| 21:36.51 | Yusuke | alright now what |
| 21:36.58 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 21:37.00 | wols_ | you know the little figurines put on weddign cake? made of plastic? |
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| 21:37.08 | abrotman | they were off the cake already .. |
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| 21:37.51 | xand | Yusuke: i dont think you can do much without debian installed... |
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| 21:37.57 | oblio | sup sup |
| 21:38.03 | jetscreamer | mwilson for DPL! |
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| 21:38.06 | asdx | congratulations for the release! |
| 21:38.11 | xand | oblio: I already supped, but thanks for the suggestion |
| 21:38.27 | Yusuke | well that's my point, once i install debian my wireless won't work.. and where i live i have no choice |
| 21:38.30 | Yusuke | its wireless or nothing |
| 21:38.34 | oblio | does anyone have any input on watching moves under x11? i just got a new lcd which is 1680x1050. when i flip vlc into full screen the refresh is laggy. |
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| 21:38.37 | Yusuke | i need to know beforehand what to do |
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| 21:38.50 | abrotman | Yusuke: you'd have to have the non-free driver |
| 21:38.56 | xand | Yusuke: do you have just one machine? |
| 21:38.59 | Reiser2 | abrotman: !!!! |
| 21:39.04 | oblio | should i be using something which drops the resolution? or i'm trying to figure out if i upgrade the video card (since it's a little older, but agp) if that would appease the situation |
| 21:39.06 | abrotman | i'd like to know why DVD1 doesn't have those non-free drivers |
| 21:39.09 | Yusuke | yes xand |
| 21:39.27 | oblio | xand: anytime |
| 21:39.27 | jetscreamer | because they're non-free? |
| 21:39.29 | Reiser2 | abrotman: finally i configure gnugk |
| 21:39.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: shut it! |
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| 21:39.37 | Yusuke | abrotman i could burn it while on windows and install it post-debian installation ? |
| 21:39.39 | Makekaze | could someone help me a bit, my debian somehow explodet when I updated the new 4 in it.. dpkg-reconfigure locales gives me an error |
| 21:39.46 | abrotman | Yusuke: probably |
| 21:39.50 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: non-free is not part of debian is it |
| 21:40.00 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: in the sense of on any cd's |
| 21:40.02 | abrotman | what good are the non-free drivers if you can't get them? |
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| 21:40.21 | Makekaze | saying that locales is broken or it has not been fully installed |
| 21:40.25 | Yusuke | is that driver all i'd need? |
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| 21:41.10 | Makekaze | how could I fix that? |
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| 21:41.22 | xand | Xorm: abrotman missed you |
| 21:41.24 | abrotman | Xorm: except the debian-multimedia line .. looks fine |
| 21:41.36 | xand | :o |
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| 21:41.50 | xand | Xorm: stay! |
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| 21:42.03 | abrotman | Xorm: except the debian-multimedia line .. looks fine |
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| 21:43.47 | Yusuke | anything else i should know before i install it? |
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| 21:43.52 | Yusuke | really no turning back once i do |
| 21:43.58 | imachine | Hi |
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| 21:44.14 | imachine | question: Is the new etch i386 installer GTK/X only? |
| 21:44.20 | xand | imachine: no |
| 21:44.27 | imachine | i see some gtk-miniiso in current/images on ftp |
| 21:44.31 | imachine | what gives |
| 21:44.31 | xand | Yusuke: ummmmm |
| 21:44.35 | jetscreamer | Yusuke: print out documentation or something |
| 21:44.43 | h3sp4wn | the gtk one doesn't use X anyway |
| 21:44.47 | imachine | xand, aha, right, i reckon i can turn it off |
| 21:45.04 | imachine | i just want to install over serial to this box i have |
| 21:45.06 | xand | imachine: GUI is one of the boot options on the CD |
| 21:45.09 | imachine | i reckon that will go no bother ? |
| 21:45.11 | imachine | yeah, aye |
| 21:45.14 | piper69 | i did apt-get upgrade, and when it finished i rebooted my box, now my screen resoultion is set to 640x800. were before the upgrade it was 1024x768. |
| 21:45.16 | imachine | cheers makes sense. |
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| 21:45.36 | imachine | okay, ta |
| 21:45.45 | piper69 | *640x480 |
| 21:45.56 | imachine | see yous laters |
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| 21:46.08 | MrRio | :) congrats |
| 21:46.11 | MrRio | nice release |
| 21:46.13 | Makekaze | piper69: thats small... I got locales to explode in some way =) |
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| 21:47.02 | piper69 | in the resultion screen i can only see the 640x480 and there is no more options , anyhelp |
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| 21:47.39 | nivanson | piper69, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or add the resolutions you want to use to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 21:48.42 | pingouin | why ifconfig -a give me eth1 eth2 (got 2 network card) and not eth0 and eth1 ? after new fresh etch install ? |
| 21:49.14 | oblio | does anyone here run banshee? |
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| 21:49.43 | JordiGH | PARTY! |
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| 21:51.01 | JordiGH | Who's got the champagne? |
| 21:51.06 | Anders | me |
| 21:51.12 | pingouin | where can i found some help to configure new xorg.conf ? my mouse doesnt work anymore still upgrade ? |
| 21:51.34 | robin_sz | abrotman, OK, lets pretend im brave enough to do this dist-upgrade thing ... over a VPN tunnel .. is that bad? |
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| 21:51.59 | nihraguk | robin_sz: i just did it over an ssh connection, fwiw. |
| 21:52.10 | nivanson | pingouin, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or set your mouse to /dev/input/mice in xorg.conf |
| 21:52.28 | JordiGH | Ah, I thought y'all would be more lively than this. I'll take it to -offtopic, then. |
| 21:52.48 | piper69 | nivanson: after i finish should i reboot again |
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| 21:52.55 | abrotman | robin_sz: over VPN? |
| 21:53.05 | nivanson | piper69, doing a ctrl + alt + backspace should be enough |
| 21:53.06 | robin_sz | abrotman, yeah? |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | robin_sz: what's the worst that happens ? |
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| 21:53.25 | robin_sz | abrotman, disks wiped. small fire starts?? |
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| 21:53.38 | JordiGH | Heh, the slashdot tags on Debian release: holyshit, pigsflying |
| 21:53.40 | robin_sz | abrotman, nah, i have to drive 5 miles to it I guess ... |
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| 21:55.31 | wathek | hello all |
| 21:55.39 | abrotman | robin_sz: only five miles? |
| 21:56.06 | robin_sz | abrotman, well, yeah ... but Id ratehr not |
| 21:56.08 | wathek | is it possible to update my debian sarge to debian etch with apt-get ? |
| 21:56.10 | wols_ | robin_sz: that's basically under your desk |
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| 21:56.16 | wols_ | wathek: yes |
| 21:56.31 | wathek | wols_, could you please tell me how ? |
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| 21:56.39 | robin_sz | wols_, actually, its on top of the toilets .... |
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| 21:57.22 | shay | !tell root_ about root |
| 21:57.34 | wols_ | wathek: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.03 | wathek | ok thanx a lot |
| 21:58.34 | oblio | anyone here running banshee on etch? |
| 21:58.35 | JordiGH | Ooh, etch release parties: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyEtch |
| 21:58.46 | JordiGH | Sadly, I missed them all, and none were anywhere close to me. |
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| 22:00.33 | koeien | i will maybe go to Utrecht :) |
| 22:01.22 | djib | hello, I need help with my wireless. I have installed ipw2100-modules for my kernel, but I still don't get an eth1 interface. What can I do ? |
| 22:01.37 | oblio | i'll just drop them all out. problems with audio in iceweasel? |
| 22:01.54 | oblio | i have alsa-oss and popped aoss in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc and still no avail |
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| 22:02.44 | Eclipser | how can I disable apt-listbugs temporarily? |
| 22:02.55 | hiwk | what package has replaced bluez-pin? |
| 22:03.00 | nihraguk | does etch accept lighttpd as a substitute for apache2? or will it still insist on me having an installation of apache2 when i want to install php4... or squirrelmail....etc.? |
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| 22:03.42 | |fluxdude| | I'm getting messed up characters in my terminal on a lot of programs and man pages like this: |
| 22:03.57 | JordiGH | |fluxdude|: Locale problems |
| 22:04.09 | |fluxdude| | oh it doesn't come out the same trying to paste a few chars |
| 22:04.12 | |fluxdude| | hmmm |
| 22:04.30 | JordiGH | |fluxdude|: I was having problems with UTF-8. I changed the default locale to C, which is a cowardly fix. |
| 22:04.31 | Vasistha | |fluxdude|: take a screenshot? but yeah, almost definitely locale probs |
| 22:04.46 | |fluxdude| | how do I fix locale probs? |
| 22:04.55 | |fluxdude| | this is a new installation of Etch |
| 22:05.03 | |fluxdude| | I would think that it should just work |
| 22:05.08 | Vasistha | JordiGH: watch out for sort oddities ;-) |
| 22:05.21 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:05.59 | hiwk | how do I get bluethooth passkey handling working under debian testing? |
| 22:06.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: For whatever reason, dpkg-reconfigure locales wouldn't change my LANG variable. I manually edited /etc/default/locale to fix that. |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:06.30 | |fluxdude| | I've currenly got "en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8" |
| 22:06.33 | |fluxdude| | isn't this ok? |
| 22:07.22 | JordiGH | |fluxdude|: Should be. But I had problems too, and I threw a monkey wrench at them. :-/ |
| 22:07.28 | sword | |fluxdude|: What terminal are you using? |
| 22:07.32 | |fluxdude| | it's really annoying to have messed up terminals |
| 22:07.34 | |fluxdude| | I'm using aterm |
| 22:07.47 | |fluxdude| | I have tried chaning $TERM from rxvt to xterm |
| 22:07.51 | |fluxdude| | but no luck |
| 22:08.10 | |fluxdude| | I'm fiddling with locales right now |
| 22:08.41 | sword | |fluxdude|: $TERM isn't important in this case; you need to make sure aterm can handle utf. |
| 22:08.46 | JordiGH | |fluxdude|: You could put "export LANG=C" in your .bashrc, but that's again an ugly fix. However, for English, it should be sufficient. |
| 22:08.50 | |fluxdude| | one thing I'm not so thrilled about is the way dpkg-reconfigure hides a lot of stuff, what is it doing when it's messing with my locales, where are the files, what is it doing to them? |
| 22:09.12 | Vasistha | |fluxdude|: I would tend to advise "export LANG=en_GB" rather than LANG=C |
| 22:09.19 | JordiGH | /etc/default/locale is the default locale. If you chose one, it's there and the other possible ones are commented out. |
| 22:09.49 | |fluxdude| | aha, xterm doesn't have this problem, how strange |
| 22:10.01 | JordiGH | Konsole had the problem for me. |
| 22:10.07 | |fluxdude| | but I always use aterm and never had this problem on debian before or any other distro I run |
| 22:10.14 | Vasistha | |fluxdude|: although I've never had any UTF-8 terminal stuff going on, as I upgraded from sarge, so I don't know if there are some things that come up for new installs |
| 22:10.16 | djib | !ipw2100 |
| 22:10.17 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. It's built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and you need a 2.6 kernel to compile it |
| 22:10.50 | hiwk | !bluez-pin |
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| 22:13.12 | djib | how can I know which firmware version to download for ipw2100 ? |
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| 22:15.40 | Vasistha | djib: I'm really not sure, but I'm noticing from that factoid that it says it's built into kernel 2.6.15 and above, which of course includes etch's 2.6.18. Are you running etch, or is it practical to do so? |
| 22:16.03 | jelly-home | !wwer |
| 22:16.03 | dpkg | somebody said wwer was IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html .. dang that feel good!! |
| 22:16.16 | jelly-home | orly |
| 22:16.23 | |capiira | so when will testing be unfrozen ? :) |
| 22:16.36 | djib | Vasistha: I am running Etch. |
| 22:16.37 | joeyh | 1800 new packages in testing today |
| 22:16.42 | |capiira | lol |
| 22:16.48 | |capiira | thats fast |
| 22:16.48 | Pupeno- | I have just installed Etch, using netinstall. After installing a really small system it rebooted and instead of the tipical "finish your installation" wizard of Debian I was shown a prompt and a really small system. Is this the normal behaviour? |
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| 22:17.08 | |capiira | newer desktop version too ? |
| 22:17.14 | |capiira | gnome or kde |
| 22:17.14 | joeyh | Pupeno-: yes, etch does not have a second stage installer, it all happens first stage. |
| 22:17.25 | koeien | pupeno: yes this is normal |
| 22:17.34 | jelly-home | !wwlr |
| 22:17.34 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline <add URL here> |
| 22:17.46 | Pupeno- | and it is normall to have a system so bare (or something went wrong through the first/only stage)? |
| 22:17.48 | djib | Vasistha: does this mean I don't need to do the ipw2100 installation ? |
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| 22:18.17 | Pupeno- | by so bare I mean: I wasn't asked how Exim4 would be configured, what set of packages to install, not even "less" was installed. |
| 22:18.23 | dan2_ | abrotman: you there? |
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| 22:18.49 | joeyh | Pupeno-: well, my guess would be that you either booted that netinst before etch was officially released, or told it to use a mirror that does not have etch on it yet |
| 22:18.55 | |capiira | hehe debian on distro watch is on the way to the top |
| 22:18.58 | joeyh | which would result in it not asking you what task you want to install |
| 22:18.59 | GuySof1 | hi all, i am getting a strange error when i try and connect my Senao NL-2511 CD PLUS EXT2 to my thinkpad r52. here is a past of the error: http://paste.uni.cc/14398 .. |
| 22:19.17 | kingsley | Pupeno-: You may want to do "dpkg -l | less" to see which packages are installed. |
| 22:20.08 | Pupeno- | joeyh: I see. Thanks. |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | dan2_: hi |
| 22:20.33 | dan2_ | abrotman: where's Leimy |
| 22:20.34 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Party time! :D |
| 22:20.42 | Pupeno- | Ok, here something wrong. /etc/apt/sources.list has sarge in it. |
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| 22:20.52 | abrotman | dan2_: not online at all from what i can tell |
| 22:21.09 | joeyh | well, I guess you didn't install etch then :-) |
| 22:21.14 | joeyh | or something went wrong with your mirror |
| 22:21.25 | Pupeno- | But the netinst appears to be Etch. Was there any problem with the netinsts? I've download this one today about 8hs ago. |
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| 22:21.30 | abrotman | dan2_: why? |
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| 22:21.58 | dan2_ | abrotman: need to tap into his supreme c++ wisodm |
| 22:21.58 | joeyh | er, on second thought yes; I was right, you downloaded it before it was officially released |
| 22:22.00 | dan2_ | wisdom |
| 22:22.10 | abrotman | dan2_: there's a whole channel for that :) |
| 22:22.15 | joeyh | you can change sarge to etch, and run tasksel, you'll be ok. |
| 22:22.22 | abrotman | dan2_: or go find jep on comp.lang.c++.moderated |
| 22:22.29 | dan2_ | abrotman: nobody in there is as a good as Leimy |
| 22:22.42 | joeyh | you might want to wait for releases to be officially released in the future. There's a reason why we don't just dump images out there and wait for users to find them :-P |
| 22:22.57 | JordiGH | dan2_: I'm routinely impressed by ##c++. What wisdoms may you be needing? |
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| 22:23.06 | abrotman | dan2_: one of the moderators for c.l.c++.m was a prof that we had at Uni |
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| 22:23.36 | dan2_ | JordiGH: need intelligent template generated encoding/decoding pipelines |
| 22:24.00 | abrotman | haha .. Leimy doesn't have a semester to teach you :) |
| 22:24.08 | JordiGH | dan2_: Fine, you win. That's more jargon than I know, and not a C++-specific question. |
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| 22:24.49 | abrotman | he wants to know how to do it in C++ .. |
| 22:25.06 | abrotman | dan2_: AFAIK .. Leimy doesn't really do IRC at all anymore |
| 22:25.29 | Pupeno- | How can I know if my netinst CD is correct? the mirror I picked seems to have Etch. |
| 22:25.46 | JordiGH | At any rate, if you can taylor your question to something C++-specific, go to ##c++. |
| 22:25.51 | abrotman | Pupeno-: what's wrong with that ? |
| 22:26.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: that is a C++ question |
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| 22:26.25 | Pupeno- | abrotman: what's wrong is that the install really looks failed, and /etc/apt/sources.list has "sarge", not "etch". |
| 22:26.33 | |fluxdude| | en_GB ISO-8859-1 |
| 22:26.42 | JordiGH | "pipelines" aren't part of C++. |
| 22:26.44 | |fluxdude| | thanks alot for your help guys, I solved the locale problem by changing it from the en_GB UTF one to en_GB ISO-8859-1 |
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| 22:26.57 | CaptSolo | hi all |
| 22:27.01 | JordiGH | Neither is decoding/encoding or decryption. |
| 22:27.06 | |fluxdude| | I also like the fact that I edited the locale file by hand cos I like to do that stuff and know how it works, |
| 22:27.08 | |fluxdude| | thanks again |
| 22:27.11 | CaptSolo | how can i tell what version of debian (stable/unstable) am i using? |
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| 22:27.25 | CaptSolo | uname won't have these details |
| 22:27.26 | JordiGH | CaptSolo: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:27.29 | abrotman | JordiGH: it is if you're creating the pipeline and writing the enc functions |
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| 22:27.39 | abrotman | Pupeno-: what was the name of the ISO you used ? |
| 22:27.43 | |fluxdude| | seems aterm probably doesn't support utf but the iso-8859-1 is the standard one I've seen a lot and that seems to do the trick |
| 22:28.01 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I don't remember. |
| 22:28.04 | JordiGH | abrotman: Windows is relevant to C++ for that matter, should I be asking questions about how apt is coded in ##c++ too? |
| 22:28.06 | CaptSolo | JordiGH: 4.0, doesn't tell if it's stable/unstable though |
| 22:28.23 | abrotman | JordiGH: you could |
| 22:28.23 | JordiGH | CaptSolo: Once it has a version number it's stable or almost stable. 4.0 is etch. |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | Pupeno-: it's important :) |
| 22:28.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello how can I create a image of a diskette and afterwards create a minix 3 filesystem on it? |
| 22:28.37 | CaptSolo | (i am novice to debian versions, no clue if 4.0 already says it's stable) |
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| 22:28.53 | CaptSolo | thanks, JordiGH |
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| 22:29.00 | JordiGH | abrotman: ##c++ doesn't tolerate that kind of question. It's offtopic if it isn't a question specific to the language, not to some code that just happens to be written in the language. |
| 22:29.14 | Seven_Six_two | I installed sarge, and then changed preferred version and sources.list to etch, and for some reason, synaptic never shows that I need updates. It still shows sarge packages and when I click reload and mark upgrades it doesn't show anything that needs to be upgraded. I can do the upgrade from bash without a problem. anyone know where to look to figure out why it's not working right? |
| 22:29.16 | Pupeno- | abrotman: what part is important? it said 4.0 and netinst and was download today following the Get bittorrent CDs in the debian.org website. |
| 22:29.22 | Photon | hi |
| 22:29.23 | abrotman | JordiGH: then go in there .. and ask or let him ask .. see what happens |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | Pupeno-: then it should ahve been etch |
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| 22:29.48 | pingouin | i look for some list of protocol/drivers to try in xorg.conf to make my mouse work - as it did with xfree - :/ any help ? |
| 22:29.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: i don't feel like arguing it anymore .. he should go ask them |
| 22:29.52 | Photon | i want to download debian but there are 3 DVD's, DVD-1, DVD-2, DVD-3, should i download them all? |
| 22:30.04 | koeien | DVD-1 should be enough for most purposes |
| 22:30.06 | Seven_Six_two | Photon: only the first one |
| 22:30.19 | Photon | ok wats in the others |
| 22:30.26 | koeien | non-standard stuff |
| 22:30.30 | koeien | that most people do not use |
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| 22:30.36 | Photon | like... |
| 22:30.37 | NefariousPrior | What version of KDE does etch have. packages.debian.org shows 5:47, but how in the world do I derive a version from that? |
| 22:30.38 | abrotman | Photon: use the netinst if you can |
| 22:30.39 | Seven_Six_two | Photon: everything. you can download from the net if you need it |
| 22:30.39 | Pupeno- | abrotman: something like debian-40r0-i386-netinst.... |
| 22:30.47 | abrotman | !info kde-base etch |
| 22:30.53 | abrotman | Pupeno-: should be etch |
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| 22:31.05 | Photon | ok then...ill just download DVD-1 |
| 22:31.12 | Photon | that should be enough |
| 22:31.15 | Pupeno- | abrotman: any ideas why it would live a barely running system with "sarge" on /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:31.23 | abrotman | Photon: if you have broadband .. use the netinst |
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| 22:31.34 | abrotman | Pupeno-: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. let's see it |
| 22:31.34 | Photon | k |
| 22:31.58 | abrotman | !info kdebase etch |
| 22:32.00 | Photon | ok thanks all |
| 22:32.02 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 22:32.03 | Photon | bye |
| 22:32.11 | koeien | 3.5.5 |
| 22:32.18 | NefariousPrior | wha's qwith the 4 ? |
| 22:32.24 | Pupeno- | abrotman: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
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| 22:32.28 | JordiGH | NefariousPrior: Weird. It's 3.5, and I don't understand what 5:47 is supposed to be. Maybe it has that weird version number because it's a virtual package. |
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| 22:32.43 | pwuertz | hi... when using debhelper for packaging my software, I get an error when running "dh_gencontrol" because there is no changelog file in debian/.... i dont have a changelog file... i dont want a changelog file... i dont know how to convince debhelper to ignore these facts and go on without one, how can I do that? |
| 22:32.43 | JordiGH | KDE 4 isn't released yet, is it? I thought it was still in development. |
| 22:32.50 | koeien | it's not KDE 4 |
| 22:32.57 | koeien | probably because it's built against kdelibs4 |
| 22:33.00 | koeien | ? |
| 22:33.02 | koeien | but not sure |
| 22:33.11 | JordiGH | pwuertz: Debian policy demands a changelog file. |
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| 22:33.37 | pwuertz | I built my package with dpkg-deb and did not provide a changelog file |
| 22:33.39 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: it's not even released yet |
| 22:33.51 | abrotman | Pupeno-: that's not sarge |
| 22:34.00 | pwuertz | it does not accept empty changelog files neither |
| 22:34.20 | NefariousPrior | abrotman: your right, I was mis-informed. |
| 22:34.25 | Pupeno- | abrotman: but on sources.list it says sarge, and the installation left a semi-broken system, not like the installation of Sarge used to do. |
| 22:34.34 | JordiGH | pwuertz: I forget what's what you should use, but a changelog is part of Debian policy. If you don't want to package this for Debian, don't use use Debian tools. Also, try asking #debian-devel instead in OFTC. |
| 22:34.43 | abrotman | Pupeno-: noone else has complained |
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| 22:35.17 | Pupeno- | abrotman: knowing Debian's stability, I'd bet it is a problem in my install only. |
| 22:35.26 | btiffin | Too whom it may concern... Thanks for the efforts boys and girls...go party! Sincerly, from a Debian fanboy. |
| 22:35.38 | joeyh | Pupeno-: as I've already told you, you downloaded the etch iso before it was officially released. Threrefore you installed a broken system. |
| 22:35.38 | CaptSolo | JordiGH: if i want to install packages from an external repository, say, http://download.librdf.org/binaries/debian/, do i also have to choose 'stable' branch from this repository? or is it ok to take 'unstable' even though my debian version is stable? |
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| 22:35.42 | pwuertz | JordiGH: ok thanks |
| 22:35.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | in what package is makeisofs program? |
| 22:35.47 | Pupeno- | Any ideas how to pick a mirror known to have a working Etch mirror. |
| 22:35.58 | abrotman | Pupeno-: show us your sources first |
| 22:36.05 | bzed | !tell CaptSolo about stable |
| 22:36.07 | bzed | !tell CaptSolo about unstable |
| 22:36.09 | bzed | !tell CaptSolo about testing |
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| 22:36.12 | Pupeno- | joeyh: how can I check that? I've downloaded it from torrents about 8hs ago. |
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| 22:36.26 | Kerr | Can anyone reccomend a dvd authoring program that can re-encode divx avis for playing on a regular dvd player? |
| 22:36.27 | joeyh | the iso is fine, but it was not able to install etch before etch was released. |
| 22:36.27 | |capiira | you forgot experimental :) |
| 22:36.29 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I don't know how, I have a bare terminal working now. |
| 22:36.33 | NefariousPrior | Is there a way to specify which apt repository to look in when installing... or even a way to specify an alternate list file? |
| 22:36.54 | bzed | CaptSolo: and no, you do NOT want to mix stable and unstable. also it may happen that unopfficial repositorys still have sarge as stable, why stable on debian is Etch, since today |
| 22:36.55 | Seven_Six_two | Kerr: try tovid |
| 22:37.12 | JordiGH | Wtf. Why is the DPL-elect hosting doom3.zoy.org? |
| 22:37.13 | abrotman | Pupeno-: are you IRCing from it ? |
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| 22:37.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: go ask him .. not us |
| 22:37.23 | Pupeno- | joeyh: I installed 20 minutes ago. |
| 22:37.36 | Seven_Six_two | etch just went stable? holy hardcore. That would be my issue then...lol |
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| 22:37.53 | Pupeno- | abrotman: yes. |
| 22:38.00 | abrotman | Pupeno-: /j #flood |
| 22:38.04 | Pupeno- | abrotman: installed ircii, which I barely control. |
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| 22:38.46 | CaptSolo | bzed: thanks :) |
| 22:38.55 | bzed | CaptSolo: you're welcome |
| 22:38.58 | JordiGH | I can't even close Iceweasel after visiting that site. |
| 22:39.04 | Seven_Six_two | my oh my, switching "etch" to testing in sources, I can now see the kernels I want! awesome |
| 22:39.07 | bzed | !tell Seven_Six_two about wwir |
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| 22:39.25 | bzed | !tell Seven_Six_two about wwer |
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| 22:39.32 | joeyh | pupeno- must be an out of date mirror then |
| 22:39.59 | NefariousPrior | wwer ? |
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| 22:40.03 | Eclipser | is there any nice way of figuring out current upload/download speed in bash script? :) |
| 22:40.18 | NefariousPrior | !tell me about wwer |
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| 22:40.45 | pingouin | is there a way to have xfree on etch and remove xorg ? |
| 22:40.53 | NefariousPrior | Why is it refered to as wwer ? |
| 22:40.58 | pythonic | etch is risen! hallelujah! |
| 22:41.01 | JordiGH | pingouin: No. Why would you want that? |
| 22:41.07 | jelly-home | NefariousPrior: when will etch release |
| 22:41.11 | JordiGH | pingouin: Well, there is, but with great difficulty. |
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| 22:41.23 | pingouin | JordiGH: my mouse doesnt work anymore with xorg |
| 22:41.41 | pingouin | JordiGH: worked well with xfree, so i wish to keep it if possible |
| 22:41.46 | JordiGH | pingouin: What kind of mouse is it? Why doesn't it work? Did you check the X log? |
| 22:41.48 | |capiira | i changed etch to testing in my sources too :) let see if this will destroy my system in the next weeks |
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| 22:42.40 | Seven_Six_two | aw no beryl in deb? |
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| 22:42.48 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 22:42.49 | dpkg | well, beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 22:43.08 | |capiira | soon they will release something new anyway |
| 22:43.21 | Seven_Six_two | abrotman: you sir, rock. Yes, Rock... |
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| 22:43.33 | |capiira | why bother with beryl |
| 22:43.53 | nihraguk | alright, when i type man aptitude, i now get strange markups with certain words, like instead of 'install' i get '\fBinstall\fR' ... does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:44.00 | Seven_Six_two | |capiira: because I have a nv6800gtoc |
| 22:44.16 | |capiira | yeah but they joined forces |
| 22:44.35 | |capiira | and will release something complettly new |
| 22:44.49 | Seven_Six_two | I read that they were going to, under name compiz, I didn't know they had already |
| 22:44.51 | Yusuke | abrotman: http://mxjeff.free.fr/science/informatique/tosh_linuxlaptop.html -- downloading the driver and firmware predebian install, and then following those steps should get the wireless working? |
| 22:44.56 | pipeline | pingouin: No, you really have to build it yourself, and that's a pain in the ass. |
| 22:44.58 | Yusuke | that's my laptop btw |
| 22:45.08 | abrotman | !tell Yusuke about ipw3945 |
| 22:45.09 | |capiira | things happens fast in the linux world |
| 22:45.09 | pipeline | pingouin: if you take that path, be sure to install to a weird and non-standard path e.g. /opt/X11R6 |
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| 22:45.40 | robin_sz | if I stop a dist-upgrade, wil lit have cached all those downloads somewhere? |
| 22:45.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello how can I create a image of a diskette in a file? |
| 22:45.45 | pingouin | JordiGH: the only stuff i have is : ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded , but two buttons (wich xev give me at 8 and 9) doesnt work anymore (forward/back in firefox for instance) |
| 22:45.59 | pingouin | pipeline: yep :/ doest seems to be easy to have it anymore :/ |
| 22:46.05 | Seven_Six_two | I don't want to wait. I could keep waiting, and there will be something better later. I don't want to though. I want to try it now. |
| 22:46.09 | robin_sz | gonzaloaf_laptop, dd? |
| 22:46.14 | Robinayor_ | moar |
| 22:46.21 | Robinayor_ | robin_sz: stop hilighting me :-) |
| 22:46.21 | LightKnight | robin_sz: yes, it will :) |
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| 22:46.23 | pingouin | JordiGH: i forgot :logitech cordless click plus |
| 22:46.33 | jelly-home | pingouin: also, maybe the folks in #xorg know more |
| 22:46.34 | JordiGH | robin_sz: /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 22:46.40 | Seven_Six_two | If it breaks, I'll fix it, or try compiz |
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| 22:46.43 | robin_sz | righty |
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| 22:47.40 | JordiGH | pingouin: I think in the long run you'll have an easier time fixing this mouse problem than sticking to XFree86. |
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| 22:48.18 | pipeline | pingouin: I agree with JordiGH. The fact that it's a mouse problem suggests that it will be simple. I still have commercial X servers around because of graphics drivers that are broken in Xorg, now that's unfixable ;) |
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| 22:48.51 | sobersabre | hi! |
| 22:48.55 | pingouin | JordiGH pipeline ... ok.... i'll wait |
| 22:49.08 | sobersabre | finally 4.0 is out!!! |
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| 22:49.33 | robin_sz | Im watching the dist-upgrade laod stuff, but I might chicke out yet :) |
| 22:49.33 | bzed | !beer for all |
| 22:49.37 | robin_sz | chicken |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | uhm .. mousedev is now compiled in .. but psmouse isn't |
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| 22:50.00 | bzed | !champagne sobersabre |
| 22:50.05 | robin_sz | im drinking some random alco-pop thing the wife left lying around |
| 22:50.05 | bzed | damn :P |
| 22:50.17 | Seven_Six_two | hmm...synaptic still has "apply" button greyed out when I select "mark all upgrades"... |
| 22:50.25 | JordiGH | Where's stew when you need him to teach the bot a champagne command? |
| 22:50.59 | robin_sz | dpkg, champagne is <reply> pop fizz burp |
| 22:51.00 | dpkg | robin_sz: okay |
| 22:51.19 | robin_sz | !champagne foo |
| 22:51.26 | robin_sz | nope |
| 22:51.32 | robin_sz | worth a try though |
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| 22:51.47 | JordiGH | Wow, I didn't know this. |
| 22:51.58 | JordiGH | !info bible-kjv-text |
| 22:52.00 | dpkg | bible-kjv-text: (King James Version of the Bible - text and concordance), section doc, is optional. Version: 4.20 (sid), Packaged size: 2438 kB, Installed size: 2616 kB |
| 22:52.14 | robin_sz | wos. |
| 22:52.14 | pythonic | optional!?! what's the world coming to? |
| 22:52.17 | JordiGH | Heh. "section: doc" |
| 22:52.50 | pythonic | JordiGH: debian doesn't have "fiction" |
| 22:52.58 | sword | pythonic: Apocalypse. Etch is out, that's the first sign. |
| 22:53.11 | JordiGH | pythonic: It's in main, though. Feel free to fork it if you want to. :-) |
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| 22:53.21 | robin_sz | I once got asked to leave a bookshop for moving the bibles into the 'fiction' section |
| 22:53.38 | fireba11 | haha |
| 22:53.52 | JordiGH | robin_sz: That's a bash.org quote! |
| 22:54.02 | robin_sz | JordiGH, I kowm but its funny |
| 22:54.11 | robin_sz | and I wish I had :) |
| 22:54.12 | pythonic | it's not really the 1611 translation. you'd need extra fonts for that. |
| 22:54.16 | sword | JordiGH: I don't think forking the bible is a good idea. |
| 22:54.22 | nihraguk | lol |
| 22:54.27 | JordiGH | sword: Why not? It's free software! |
| 22:54.28 | robin_sz | sword, been done, too many times. |
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| 22:54.56 | ifireball | sword: it happened aleardy... twice even ;P |
| 22:54.56 | Ronin | and will probibly be done again |
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| 22:55.14 | mlk | Newb question alert! I usually run testing to get new-ish software for my home server. Does this mean that I should now change my Apt repos to Lenny? |
| 22:55.16 | pythonic | more than twice, i'd say |
| 22:55.31 | abrotman | mlk: or to testing |
| 22:55.36 | robin_sz | its just a fairy story, lighten up. |
| 22:55.39 | Vasistha | sword: tell that to the councils of Nimes |
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| 22:56.00 | sobersabre | mlk if you want to be "testing", and you had "testing" in the sources.list, you need to change nothing. |
| 22:56.04 | ifireball | pythonic: thats argueable if you count translations as forks or not, but also off-topic |
| 22:56.05 | sword | robin_sz: Well, you might end up with bible-ubuntu, and nobody here wants that :) |
| 22:56.15 | JordiGH | mlk: you can use "testing" or "unstable" instead of codenames. Also, I'd recommend waiting a while before upgrading stuff; there's usually a lot of movement in the repos after a freeze is over. |
| 22:56.17 | mlk | abrotman: Yes, but will Lenny mean lots of unstable software packages? |
| 22:56.33 | bzed | dpkg, cmd: champagne (.*) is $1: <action> dresses very sexy and sprays $1 with champagne ^^ |
| 22:56.34 | dpkg | ...but cmd: is already something else... |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | lenny is the new codename for testing |
| 22:56.47 | bzed | AARG |
| 22:56.52 | robin_sz | sword, theyd just end up coming here to ask why their belief ssytem didnt work and they d tried asking in #bible-ubuntu and no one answered |
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| 22:57.37 | pythonic | did they try upgrading to qu'ran 1.0? |
| 22:57.44 | robin_sz | dpkg, cmd: champagne (.*) is also $1: <action> dresses very sexy and sprays $1 with champagne ^^ |
| 22:57.44 | dpkg | robin_sz: okay |
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| 22:57.49 | pythonic | hmm.. or qur'an for that matter. |
| 22:57.50 | JordiGH | Btw, fwiw, DPL-elect is opposed to Debian distributing software the curses homosexuals and promotes enslavement of daughters: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2007/03/msg00060.html |
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| 22:58.03 | robin_sz | !champagne foobar |
| 22:58.06 | abrotman | JordiGH: noone here can do anything about it |
| 22:58.12 | robin_sz | oh well |
| 22:58.16 | archville | Hi. ¿ Did anyone noticed like a big update this night on the repositories ? (153 Mb for me) |
| 22:58.23 | archville | (Etch) |
| 22:58.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: your time to stand against the candidate is over .. get over it |
| 22:58.32 | Ronin | archville: thats cause it went stable i bet |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | archville: do your sources point at etch or testing ? |
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| 22:58.57 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm just curious, dude. I was thoroughly impressed with his platform. |
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| 22:59.13 | archville | abrotman, testing main... |
| 22:59.20 | corely | beryl beryl beryl !!!!!! |
| 22:59.21 | archville | should i change them ? |
| 22:59.22 | JordiGH | archville: Yeah. |
| 22:59.23 | abrotman | archville: you're now tracking lenny .. enjoy the ride |
| 22:59.29 | JordiGH | !tell archville about wwer |
| 22:59.40 | archville | lenny ? |
| 22:59.42 | JordiGH | archville: Stuff jumps around after a freeze is over. |
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| 22:59.53 | archville | so i'm on the new testing now ? |
| 22:59.58 | JordiGH | indeed! |
| 23:00.02 | JordiGH | !champagne archville |
| 23:00.27 | JordiGH | Well... |
| 23:00.29 | JordiGH | !beer archville |
| 23:00.59 | archville | !guiness please |
| 23:01.00 | dpkg | i guess guiness is so thick you may need a fork and knife to drink it |
| 23:01.02 | archville | :P |
| 23:01.14 | pythonic | how does one pronounce hocevar? |
| 23:01.18 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.18 | dpkg | bzed: okay |
| 23:01.34 | bzed | !champagne robin_sz |
| 23:01.35 | Seven_Six_two | can anyone tell me what ver of synaptic lenny has? i just changed my sources, and it shows 0.57.11.1+b1 which is the same as the one I've had for a while. |
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| 23:01.49 | archville | btw ¿ how can i get back to etch ? |
| 23:01.51 | JordiGH | bzed: Stubborn bot. |
| 23:01.51 | Seven_Six_two | I can't figure out what's wrong with it |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | it jsut freaking came out |
| 23:01.57 | abrotman | !info synaptic lenny |
| 23:01.58 | bzed | JordiGH: yeah :( |
| 23:02.04 | archville | (if possible) |
| 23:02.15 | Seven_Six_two | archville: a pinned downgrade. They're scary |
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| 23:02.50 | JordiGH | archville: With difficulty. If you really want to do that, it might be easier to do a clean install. |
| 23:02.59 | JordiGH | Backing up first, of course. |
| 23:03.13 | poh | is there a way to determine which package created a particular file? |
| 23:03.14 | archville | But i don't know really if i'm using Lenny now |
| 23:03.25 | archville | i mean, i didn't update anything in a few days |
| 23:03.32 | Seven_Six_two | abrotman: no, synaptic has been messed up for me for a while. I can install with it, but not upgrade |
| 23:03.43 | JordiGH | poh: dpkg -S file |
| 23:04.16 | multi_io | has the release of Etch reached the german debian server yet? |
| 23:04.18 | poh | archville: modify your sources.list and replace any instance of testing with etch |
| 23:04.24 | abrotman | Seven_Six_two: then stop using it ? |
| 23:04.27 | poh | JordiGH: thank you |
| 23:04.42 | JordiGH | poh: Full pathname, btw. |
| 23:04.45 | Seven_Six_two | abrotman: I could. I like to browse with it. It's easier. |
| 23:04.55 | abrotman | okay ... then check the BTS for it |
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| 23:05.53 | sobersabre | ok guys... rebooting. wish me luck. |
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| 23:06.24 | robin_sz | see you in 3days sobersabre |
| 23:06.28 | Ronin | heh |
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| 23:06.35 | phaedral | hihghlighted text in xterm doesn't seem to be making its way into the clipboard; how do I troubleshoot this? |
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| 23:06.52 | robin_sz | 50cal? |
| 23:07.05 | robin_sz | oh, _trouble_ shoot |
| 23:07.27 | multi_io | hm, is the new unstable the old unstable? |
| 23:07.32 | cyzie | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix completely. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release // i think this need to update for dpkg |
| 23:07.33 | phaedral | nm; figured out a search string for google; it's an xorg thing, use middle button |
| 23:07.41 | multi_io | or the old experimental? |
| 23:08.25 | robin_sz | multi_io, sid, is still sid, is still unstable AFAIK |
| 23:08.36 | robin_sz | testing is Lenny , afaik ... |
| 23:08.42 | Ronin | sid is sid is always sis will always be sid |
| 23:08.51 | Ronin | sis? heh |
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| 23:08.57 | Eclipser | :p |
| 23:08.59 | dendrite | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for info on releases. |
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| 23:09.08 | robin_sz | ahh, facts. |
| 23:09.12 | robin_sz | cant we jsut guess? |
| 23:09.18 | dendrite | robin_sz: I guess so. |
| 23:09.25 | robin_sz | is that a fact? |
| 23:09.35 | dendrite | robin_sz: Absolutely! |
| 23:09.45 | archville | i have this on sources.list: |
| 23:09.47 | archville | deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:09.51 | dendrite | Ronin: Where are you now? Sarge? |
| 23:09.55 | Ronin | dendrite: yep |
| 23:09.57 | archville | ¿ should i change it to testing/updates ? |
| 23:10.01 | archville | (if i want lenny) |
| 23:10.07 | robin_sz | #debian, where INTP humour looms large |
| 23:10.16 | dendrite | Ronin: I've seen kernel issues with that move, of course. |
| 23:10.31 | pingouin | by the way, why there is xorg and no more xfree in etch ? xfree is dead ? or "open source" troubles ? |
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| 23:10.47 | Ronin | !xfree |
| 23:10.47 | dpkg | i heard xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 23:10.49 | Ronin | humm that didnt help |
| 23:10.55 | Ronin | dendrite: oh joy |
| 23:10.58 | abrotman | help with what ? |
| 23:11.04 | Ronin | abrotman: with pingouins question |
| 23:11.18 | dendrite | Ronin: It's doable, but you end up having to uninstall your running kernel... |
| 23:11.19 | JordiGH | pingouin: XFree86 had problems because the lead developer changed the license to add an advertising clause for himself. In the words of the OpenBSD release song, "this is a mark of too much pride". |
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| 23:11.25 | militant | evenin guys |
| 23:11.37 | JordiGH | pingouin: Pretty much all of the developers left XFree86 and forked X.org out of it. |
| 23:11.45 | Ronin | dendrite: ack |
| 23:11.51 | militant | any considerations or issues i shoudl be aware of before upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 23:11.57 | dendrite | Ronin: a bit scary, at least. |
| 23:12.03 | robin_sz | so XF86 is effectively dead then? |
| 23:12.14 | pingouin | ok JordiGH , thanks for information , i hate him ! ;) |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | !releasenotes |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | !release notes |
| 23:12.19 | dpkg | hmm... release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 23:12.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:12.25 | abrotman | militant: read the etch release notes |
| 23:12.30 | pingouin | my mouse doesnt work cause of him ;) |
| 23:12.33 | militant | pulling it up now |
| 23:12.34 | militant | and |
| 23:12.41 | streuner | !listvals release |
| 23:12.44 | Ronin | maybe ill settle for a apt-get upgrade instead |
| 23:12.47 | *** part/#debian archville (n=archvill@11.Red-83-50-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:12.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'release' by value (15 of 280): 4.0r0 ;; buzz ;; date of release ;; debian release ;; elf response ;; four freedoms ;; history ;; kde2 ;; kinkatta ;; methinks install guide ;; middle floyd ;; php-gtk ;; sarge pool 3 ;; stable ;; woody arches. |
| 23:13.05 | militant | assuming i decide to switch, am i better off in general doing it from an existing install, or is it better to just burn an etch cd and do a fresh install? |
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| 23:13.12 | bzed | robin_sz: I guess so. probably SCO still uses it *g* |
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| 23:13.28 | bzed | militant: ust upgrade. read the release notes first, thoguh |
| 23:13.29 | robin_sz | abrotman, assuming my vpn falls over during the upgrade, i should use screen right? |
| 23:13.35 | dendrite | militant: Back up your data, burn an etch CD, and try an an upgrade. |
| 23:13.42 | multi_io | hm, but until yesterday etch was testing, right? |
| 23:13.48 | dendrite | multi_io: Yes. |
| 23:13.48 | bzed | !wwer |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | robin_sz: sure |
| 23:13.49 | dpkg | i heard wwer is IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html .. dang that feel good!! |
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| 23:14.01 | streuner | abrotman: its in etch factoid |
| 23:14.09 | dendrite | Anybody know when Lenny will release??? =) |
| 23:14.13 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 23:14.14 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline <add URL here> |
| 23:14.34 | nihraguk | !siyh |
| 23:14.34 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 23:14.35 | dendrite | abrotman: I should have guessed that would be a factoid already. |
| 23:14.36 | multi_io | so if yesterday's unstable is todays's unstable, what was today's testing yesterday? |
| 23:14.39 | nihraguk | heh |
| 23:14.41 | bzed | !etch pool |
| 23:14.41 | dpkg | it has been said that etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
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| 23:14.49 | abrotman | !lenny pool 1 |
| 23:14.50 | dpkg | abrotman=2009-2-15 |
| 23:14.51 | dendrite | multi_io: testing. |
| 23:14.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:14.57 | militant | hmmm i have an extra 40gb disk here, perhaps i should do my etch install to it first. |
| 23:15.12 | pythonic | can i still bet on when etch will be released? |
| 23:15.17 | dendrite | multi_io: Testing spits off an occasional stable, then keeps going, on to the next stable... |
| 23:15.20 | Ronin | pythonic: too late its out |
| 23:15.26 | pythonic | i know :-) |
| 23:15.27 | RobbieAB | Can the debian installer install to a rootfs on LVM? |
| 23:15.48 | robin_sz | mmm ... alcohol |
| 23:15.49 | dendrite | RobbieAB: I've heard that you need to use lilo for that. |
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| 23:16.07 | dendrite | RobbieAB: But don't take my word for it. |
| 23:16.15 | bzed | RobbieAB: yes, works well |
| 23:16.22 | bzed | RobbieAB: and no need for lilo, you can use grub |
| 23:16.27 | dendrite | bzed: Cool. |
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| 23:16.38 | dendrite | bzed: So the *entire* system can be on LVM. Nice. |
| 23:16.43 | RobbieAB | bzed: how well will it handle a precreated LVM? |
| 23:16.51 | RobbieAB | dendrite: except /boot. |
| 23:16.54 | dendrite | I've usually put / and swap on real partitions, and lvm'd the rest... |
| 23:16.58 | bzed | RobbieAB, dendrite: it could be that you need a boot partition, though |
| 23:16.58 | petekaz | If I recently, within the past 2 weeks, built an etch system, do I need to do anything to keep it at stable? |
| 23:17.08 | RobbieAB | bzed: it is. |
| 23:17.32 | dendrite | petekaz: Make sure your sources.list sources all point to etch, or stable, and at testing or anything else. |
| 23:17.35 | pythonic | ummm.. hot-babe is not in etch!?! |
| 23:17.38 | RobbieAB | I'm currently running gentoo on LVM, but feel like trying Etch. |
| 23:17.48 | bzed | petekaz: make sure that there's etch everywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list and not testing |
| 23:17.50 | robin_sz | petekaz, does your /etc/apt/sources.list stil point to etch? |
| 23:17.55 | petekaz | yes. |
| 23:17.57 | jeef | a 'netstat -a' shows that a process is listening on port 21, but it's not the ftpd i'm trying to set up (pure-ftpd, it wasn't listed in ps aux | grep pure at least).. anyhoo, is there any way i can find which process is bound to that port? i've read over ps aux but i don't see anything that i think would be using it |
| 23:18.04 | robin_sz | then you need not do a thing |
| 23:18.11 | dendrite | jeef: lsof -i :21 |
| 23:18.19 | dendrite | jeef: Probably inetd. |
| 23:18.23 | multi_io | dendrite: so the name "lenny" was introduced today? |
| 23:18.26 | robin_sz | jeef, netstat -tupan |
| 23:18.27 | dendrite | multi_io: |
| 23:18.36 | dendrite | multi_io: Well, not introduced, but activated. |
| 23:18.46 | jeef | dendrite: i figured maybe inetd also, but wasn't sure |
| 23:18.54 | dendrite | jeef: lsof will tell you. |
| 23:18.58 | militant | grabbing an etch iso.. |
| 23:18.58 | militant | yay. |
| 23:18.59 | petekaz | Ok. thanks for the responses. I just had my entire team build their first debian boxes, and I thought sarge was so old, so I had them build etch boxes. But now that it is stable, I'd rather leave them on stable. All of their apt sources list files point to etch. So I'm good to go. |
| 23:19.01 | jeef | i wasn't sure if lsof knew how to check out ports |
| 23:19.09 | jeef | thanks guys, i'll try both ways |
| 23:19.38 | dendrite | petekaz: What sort of team? |
| 23:19.44 | jeef | oh god... weird! |
| 23:19.50 | omg0_ | what causes this error: Unable to connect to remote host (128.61.111.11): No route to host |
| 23:19.52 | RobbieAB | bzed: thank you. I'll give it a try as soon as my torrents finish... |
| 23:19.52 | jeef | pure-ftpd-wrapper is in inetd? what the hell |
| 23:20.03 | petekaz | dendrite: network engineers ... not really savy in unix world. |
| 23:20.24 | omg0_ | an easy one for a change folks. |
| 23:20.25 | dendrite | petekaz: I suspect you made a damn near perfect choice in Linux distros. :-) |
| 23:20.28 | petekaz | dendrite: so I'm going to teach them a bit, starting with building your own linux box (which we did) |
| 23:20.52 | petekaz | dendrite: I prefer debian over anything else out there ... |
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| 23:21.02 | abrotman | omg0_: you don't have a route |
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| 23:21.08 | dendrite | omg0_: That could be lots of things, but basically, it means what it says. The routers don't know how to get from here to there. |
| 23:21.40 | petekaz | I do have one question though, if I want to run the new testing, do I just switch etch to lenny in my apt sources file? |
| 23:21.50 | dendrite | petekaz: Lenny or testing. |
| 23:21.59 | petekaz | or should I just build my entire machine over from scratch? |
| 23:22.02 | dendrite | petekaz: 'lenny', actually. :-) |
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| 23:22.17 | dendrite | petekaz: Nah, you almost never need to rebuild a Debian box. |
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| 23:23.06 | jeef | anyone setup pure-ftpd-ldap on etch? it installs a pure-ftpd-ldap executable but not a pure-ftpd executable. it doesn't even link perhaps a 'pure-ftpd' to pure-ftpd-ldap.. yet, pure-ftpd-wrapper still wants to call 'pure-ftpd' |
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| 23:23.09 | militant | i'll throw etch on a blank 40gb, saving my existing, messy but functional/secure, sarge install to go back to in event of issues in the coming days |
| 23:23.11 | Moniker42 | hey, i have a question about the new debian release |
| 23:23.29 | petekaz | so when I make the switch to lenny, my etch system will probably download a ton of new stuff right? Or does it take time for the new packages to start rolling into the testing version? Or does unstable just get promoted to the new testing and a ton of stuff is instantly out of date? |
| 23:23.30 | JordiGH | Yessss...? |
| 23:23.37 | Moniker42 | JordiGH, what TOOK so long? |
| 23:23.43 | bzed | RobbieAB: it definitely works if you create a partition for boot outside of the lvm. boot can reside on a md device without any problems, I'm jsut not sure for lvm, though |
| 23:23.48 | JordiGH | Moniker42: Actually, it took a lot less longer than Sarge: |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | petekaz: there are 1800+ packages slated for tonight |
| 23:23.50 | omg0_ | what causes this error: Unable to connect to remote host (128.61.111.11): No route to host |
| 23:23.55 | dendrite | militant: If you have the spare disk, that's ideal. Use lvm, and you will be able to use the old disk when you don't need the old system. |
| 23:23.58 | abrotman | actually .. the pulse probably already happpened |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | omg0_: you don't have a route |
| 23:24.05 | petekaz | wow. |
| 23:24.13 | JordiGH | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=229913&cid=18655777 |
| 23:24.22 | omg0_ | how do I add one. |
| 23:24.44 | dendrite | petekaz: Expect lenny to be pure chaos for a while. |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | JordiGH: don't you have a girlfriend ? |
| 23:24.45 | militant | dendrite i'll just unhook the sarge disk and hook up the etch one, and once etch is spiffy, i'll copy my personal stuff over, and format the sarge disk for a media storage mount |
| 23:24.45 | petekaz | and upgrades, even in testing, usually go smoothly? will I have to do a dist-upgrade instead of my normal upgrade due to the size of the changes? |
| 23:24.47 | abrotman | petekaz: depends |
| 23:24.51 | JordiGH | abrotman: Not at the moment. She's coming home tonight. |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | petekaz: some of them result in major breakage |
| 23:25.06 | omg0_ | abrotman: :-) amuse me for always stating the obvious |
| 23:25.09 | dendrite | militant: Right. Or with LVM, you can just add the disk to the volume group, and use it wherever you want. |
| 23:25.50 | petekaz | okay ... maybe I'll stick with etch for a bit. how long does it take testing to become a bit less unstable? |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | omg0_: how are you trying to connect ? |
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| 23:25.55 | dendrite | petekaz: Give it at least a month. |
| 23:26.05 | petekaz | ok .. thanks for the advice. |
| 23:26.10 | JordiGH | petekaz: I'd say a couple of weeks, a month. It's just that developers hold their packages for a while during the release-cycle's freeze and then let them loose again once the freeze is over. |
| 23:26.10 | bzed | petekaz: until it's stable again. it's caleld testing for a reason :P but usually there's not much broken. I've my desktop runnign at unstable now and it works well |
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| 23:26.15 | militant | btw if i got a gig of ram in this box and i don't run anything but x/xchat/etc and apache/sshd ... do i really need swap space?? |
| 23:26.16 | abrotman | petekaz: which desktop do you use .. or other apps you rely on ? |
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| 23:26.26 | abrotman | petekaz: are you a big python developer etc ? |
| 23:26.35 | JordiGH | bzed: You run unstable? I've always been afraid of going all the way. I mix testing and unstable. :P |
| 23:26.36 | wols_ | militant: probably not |
| 23:26.42 | dendrite | militant: Possibly not. |
| 23:26.46 | RobbieAB | bzed: grub does not support lvm, or non RAID1 md. I doubt lilo does either. I was wondering how well the installer would take installing alongside another installation in a precreated LVM. :) |
| 23:26.49 | omg0_ | abrotman: what do you mean? I have a dsl through a router |
| 23:26.51 | wols_ | JordiGH: that's worse than sid only imho |
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| 23:27.03 | dendrite | militant: However, a swap partition can come in handy for other things, so it's not bad to have a 1 G partition laying around like that. |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | omg0_: ssh/http/ftp/smtp .. how are you trying to connect ? |
| 23:27.10 | bzed | RobbieAB: grub supports raid 1 md. I'm booting from one |
| 23:27.15 | militant | 1gb? ok. and handy for what |
| 23:27.24 | petekaz | I am not married to a desktop, which do people prefer here? I do a lot of python work, emacs user, but my needs are mostly modest. |
| 23:27.28 | dendrite | militant: For a spare partition when things go wrong. |
| 23:27.30 | abrotman | petekaz: say for example you're a big gnome user .. you might want to wait until after the first large set of gnome packages goes in |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | petekaz: or the first major python update |
| 23:27.39 | wols_ | militant: hibernation for example |
| 23:27.42 | RobbieAB | bzed: note I said non-RAID1 :) actually it ignores the second disk. |
| 23:27.44 | JordiGH | wols_: Not really. Mixed testing/unstable is a bit of an overstatement. Almost everything in this box is testing, and certainly all the core packages are. It's just that sometimes, say, Octave will release a newer version that's only found in unstable. My unstable packages are quite isolated. |
| 23:27.52 | CaT[tm] | petekaz: if your needs are modest, consider a simple window manager and be done with it. |
| 23:28.04 | petekaz | I've been trying dwm actually lately. |
| 23:28.05 | wols_ | JordiGH: as soon as you use sid, you get the libc from sid.end of story |
| 23:28.10 | militant | hmm i usually keep a 1 or 2gb partition or an old 10gb disk layin around for when 'things go wrong' as it is |
| 23:28.12 | Moniker42 | JordiGH, what's the name of the best debian release? |
| 23:28.22 | CaT[tm] | petekaz: you'll get to move your windows, have a few whizzbang things on the side and your resource usage'll plummet :) |
| 23:28.22 | bzed | RobbieAB: yeah, it assumes that the disk is fine if it can run from it. if the disk is broken you system should boot from the other disk |
| 23:28.23 | wols_ | !best |
| 23:28.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:28.36 | JordiGH | wols_: Currently testing and sid use the same libc6. |
| 23:28.36 | wols_ | bzed: I doubt it will |
| 23:28.47 | dendrite | militant: Well, it sounds like you're more than covered. |
| 23:28.47 | wols_ | JordiGH: fluke in time. not for very long |
| 23:28.51 | jdong | dpkg: judging by his previous statement it's probably going down a very different road.... |
| 23:28.59 | dendrite | militant: However, a swap partition *is* traditional.. ;-) |
| 23:29.02 | RobbieAB | bzed: yep. Get it right and it falls through to the second disk in the mirror. :) |
| 23:29.13 | jdong | btw, congrats to everyone on Etch! |
| 23:29.14 | wols_ | RobbieAB: how do you do that? |
| 23:29.19 | militant | yes, i've been linuxing since slack 3 or 4, but swap has been used less and less.. |
| 23:29.20 | Moniker42 | i was just using this version called "feisty fawn" it seemed to be on a whole new level... |
| 23:29.29 | bzed | wols_: if a disk is really broken it should just use grub from the next living hdd |
| 23:29.29 | JordiGH | Moniker42: That's not Debian. |
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| 23:29.45 | wols_ | how does grub know its files are now on disk 2 and how does it know the kernel is? |
| 23:29.47 | Moniker42 | oh |
| 23:29.49 | bzed | JordiGH: that's what I usualyl do, too, but I upgraded to unstable before etch came out :P |
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| 23:29.58 | wols_ | bzed: "should" maybe, but it won't |
| 23:30.00 | dendrite | JordiGH: You can also grab source packages from sid and build them under etch or lenny... |
| 23:30.06 | Moniker42 | JordiGH, what is it then? |
| 23:30.10 | militant | well shizz, free shows a lot of swap usage. i don't get it. |
| 23:30.17 | petekaz | CaT[tm]: what desktop do you use? |
| 23:30.20 | wols_ | Moniker42: ubuntu |
| 23:30.25 | JordiGH | Moniker42: Feisty Fawn is Ubuntu. Based on Debian, the same way ozone is based on oxygen. |
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| 23:30.39 | bzed | wols_: the kernel is at the same position as before ... if the old,. first disk is dead, the former second disk will be the first one. and on a mirror the kernel should just reside at the smae partition |
| 23:30.43 | Moniker42 | hmm... |
| 23:30.52 | RobbieAB | wols_: the bios boots from the boot sector on boot one, that fails, it tries disk two. |
| 23:30.55 | Guerin | OMGZ IZ TEH ETHC RELAESED??????/1/?@?? |
| 23:30.57 | Moniker42 | JordiGH, well that's better, right? |
| 23:31.09 | RobbieAB | wols_: as the /boots are mirrors... :) |
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| 23:31.15 | JordiGH | dendrite: I'm too lazy for source packages. Mixing testing and unstable has been working fine so far. |
| 23:31.21 | JordiGH | Guerin: It is! |
| 23:31.22 | bzed | militant: why not? the kernel swaps out unused stuff to have more memory for the cache |
| 23:31.28 | bzed | !wwer Guerin |
| 23:31.31 | bzed | !wwer |
| 23:31.31 | dpkg | [wwer] IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html .. dang that feel good!! |
| 23:31.33 | wols_ | RobbieAB: yes, but 0x80 is not 0x81... |
| 23:31.44 | militant | hmmm in any case i'll just put a 1gb swap for good measure. |
| 23:31.44 | Guerin | OMGZOMGZX |
| 23:31.45 | dendrite | JordiGH: add sid source to sources, apt-get build-dep pkg, apt-get source -b pkg. Done. |
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| 23:31.50 | wols_ | and I've seen people in here who tried it and it _failed_ |
| 23:31.51 | omg0_ | abrotman, how do I get to that file? |
| 23:31.53 | mango | hi , have just installed ebox on my sytem, when I run apt-get the system does seem to resolve the nameservers, but this only happen from the shell, when ex: apt-get or wget yahoo.com. help please I spent all day trying to sort it out |
| 23:31.55 | bzed | wols_: you need to install grub in both MBRs, though |
| 23:31.56 | JordiGH | dendrite: I hate compiling. Slow machine. |
| 23:32.04 | wols_ | Guerin: as usual, late to the party :P |
| 23:32.10 | agent | How do I fix the "untrusted sources" warning using ftp.debian.org mirror? |
| 23:32.11 | dendrite | JordiGH: Make it a night job. :-) |
| 23:32.28 | RobbieAB | wols_: it needs tweaking in grub to get it right, but it can be done. |
| 23:32.29 | dendrite | JordiGH: If you're truly lazy you won't mix testing and unstable. |
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| 23:32.33 | Guerin | wols_: i've been incommunicado, up in a mountain village hanging out with friend of my hippy parents |
| 23:32.35 | abrotman | omg0_: NEED MORE DETAILS! |
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| 23:32.56 | JordiGH | dendrite: Sophia is in the room with us, and girlfriend isn't going to tolerate a whirring fan overnight. Really, I'm fine, and I have no problems whatsoever with what I'm doing. |
| 23:33.05 | dendrite | JordiGH: Cool. |
| 23:33.23 | abrotman | pro? |
| 23:33.24 | Guerin | i suppose it might be safe to go about upgrading my webserver, now. |
| 23:33.32 | JordiGH | abrotman: Joke. |
| 23:33.34 | nihraguk | hiak hiak |
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| 23:33.39 | wols_ | JordiGH: PCs don't need fans. and harddisks are fortunately very sileng if you buy the right one |
| 23:33.42 | CaT[tm] | petekaz: I don't. i found that they use too many resources and provide too little for it though, in the name of completeness, i'll be trying xfce now that etch is out. just to see what it's like. |
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| 23:33.59 | streuner | Guerin: read the *fine* release notes first ;-) |
| 23:33.59 | MatBoy | How much longer is IceDove going to change the logo ? |
| 23:34.22 | JordiGH | wols_: Buying computer parts has been in my Christmas wishlist since 2003. :-( |
| 23:34.26 | petekaz | CaT[tm]: xfce similar in vain to dwm? |
| 23:34.36 | agent | To translate: read the @$#@SAF release notes you #$@SFS! :D |
| 23:34.37 | wols_ | JordiGH: the older the parts, the easier they are to run fanless... |
| 23:34.37 | Moniker42 | JordiGH, if you're pro why do you use debian? ;) |
| 23:34.40 | militant | wols_ this old k7 1.3ghz certainly needs fans. i think. it runs at about 60c with cpu fan and 2 chassis fans sucking out. |
| 23:34.40 | Moniker42 | you said yourself ubuntu was better |
| 23:34.46 | Guerin | f'real |
| 23:34.48 | nihraguk | CaT[tm]: you might also want to try out ratpoison... it's like 'screen' for X. |
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| 23:35.16 | wols_ | militant: my 486-160 doesn't. and if you clock that K7 at say 6-700MHz I bet it might not need one either |
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| 23:35.30 | mango | him my machine is not resolving names, I have installed ebox on it. I have checked my resolve.conf file I have used the same one I am using on a different machine, but still does not work....help o |
| 23:35.35 | Guerin | nihraguk: except it doesn't do the most useful thing screen does |
| 23:35.36 | militant | wols_ i'm not clocking it down. it's slow enough already. my 2 p4's died on me over the last month or two |
| 23:35.37 | militant | btrb |
| 23:35.41 | JordiGH | Moniker42: I never said Ubuntu was better. Where are you getting that? I use Debian because I started using it about five years ago when I thought it was a newbie distro. I had no idea it had a reputation for being hard. |
| 23:35.47 | nihraguk | Guerin: detach? |
| 23:35.50 | dendrite | mango: Is that resolve.conf, or resolv.conf? |
| 23:35.53 | Guerin | nihraguk: right. |
| 23:36.01 | wols_ | mango: paste your resolv.conf |
| 23:36.09 | JordiGH | wols_: How much would you charge me to come over to my house and remove Sophia's fan? |
| 23:36.13 | CaT[tm] | nihraguk: i did for a bit. not my cup of tea. my windows usage tends to be a bit chaotic as well as ordered, depending. |
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| 23:36.24 | CaT[tm] | petekaz: no idea. not used dwm. |
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| 23:36.35 | Moniker42 | but i mean... |
| 23:36.37 | JordiGH | I used to think that Gentoo is what real geeks used. |
| 23:36.38 | wols_ | JordiGH: depends where you live. and what the airline charges me |
| 23:36.41 | nihraguk | Guerin: that's true. though i'd think detaching the individual screen instances running in the terminal windows in ratpoison would suffice. |
| 23:36.51 | Moniker42 | ozone's what you get when you put effort into oxygen |
| 23:37.00 | JordiGH | wols_: I offer beer and hookers. You pay the airfare. |
| 23:37.12 | Guerin | nihraguk: except if it's `like screen for x' then I want to be able to detach x programs from an x server, which I can't |
| 23:37.20 | Guerin | which means ratpoison is still shit |
| 23:37.24 | JordiGH | Moniker42: Did you know ozone is poisonouse? |
| 23:37.28 | JordiGH | poisonous? |
| 23:37.31 | wols_ | JordiGH: I don#t want the hookers so bad I'd pay it. and if you offer beer I won't even come |
| 23:37.35 | mango | dendrite: it is resolv.conf |
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| 23:37.51 | nihraguk | Guerin: i agree about the detaching x programs part. though not with the still shit part. it has its uses |
| 23:37.53 | dendrite | mango: You say the identical file works on another machine? |
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| 23:38.00 | wols_ | nihraguk: anyone you tell "y is like screen" expects detach, otherwise it's useless |
| 23:38.08 | Guerin | nihraguk: those are extremely marginal |
| 23:38.09 | Moniker42 | no, but i've heard of oxygen poisoning |
| 23:38.15 | CaT[tm] | wols: hehe |
| 23:38.16 | Guerin | and nothing much any other WM can't provide |
| 23:38.18 | Moniker42 | and does debian protect us from meteors? |
| 23:38.25 | Moniker42 | ozone does. |
| 23:38.26 | mango | wols: yes, but...suprisingliy the server added disapear for some reason |
| 23:38.36 | JordiGH | Debian does your laundry in a sexy French maid outfit. |
| 23:38.38 | nihraguk | heh ok. will keep that in mind the next time i attempt to suggest ratpoison to someone |
| 23:38.40 | dendrite | mango: Ah. DHCP |
| 23:38.50 | wols_ | mango: then something is rewriting your resolv.conf. find out what and LART it |
| 23:38.50 | mango | dendrite: yes |
| 23:38.57 | CaT[tm] | jord: yeah. i love debians adams apple. so sexy. |
| 23:38.58 | pythonic | JordiGH: whoah can i see this? |
| 23:39.03 | nihraguk | LART? |
| 23:39.04 | wols_ | with dhcp being the biggest suspect yes |
| 23:39.08 | wols_ | !lart |
| 23:39.09 | mango | wols: could it be ebox |
| 23:39.12 | militant | back |
| 23:39.13 | dendrite | mango: The system that supplies dhcp is giving your machine bad dns info. Did you set your dhcp server up correctly? |
| 23:39.24 | wols_ | nihraguk: Luser attitude readjustment tool |
| 23:39.30 | pythonic | !lart me please. yes. yes. yes. |
| 23:39.36 | nihraguk | ah. |
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| 23:39.43 | mango | dendrite: yes. using ebox |
| 23:39.56 | JordiGH | pythonic: Maybe. Will you make Sophia work without a fan? |
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| 23:40.03 | wols_ | mango: since I can't find a package "ebox", it's not in debian apparently. which means it's unsupported. ask someone else |
| 23:40.08 | dendrite | mango: I'm not familiar with "ebox" |
| 23:40.21 | pythonic | who's sophia? |
| 23:40.29 | wols_ | pythonic: his debian box I'd say |
| 23:40.30 | JordiGH | pythonic: My box. |
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| 23:40.31 | abrotman | his computer |
| 23:40.37 | dendrite | mango: But in any case, whatever is doing your dhcp should be fixed, OR you can learn how to override dhcp settings, but that's a pain. |
| 23:40.51 | mango | ok, that is ok.....but if you could please tell me where can I find my nameservers |
| 23:41.07 | pythonic | my hostname is "debian" |
| 23:41.08 | wols_ | mango: what is your dhcp server |
| 23:41.08 | Moniker42 | so is debian regularly used as an operating system for washing machines? |
| 23:41.10 | wols_ | ? |
| 23:41.11 | dendrite | mango: Well, you said you have another box with working resolver? |
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| 23:41.24 | bzed | !wash Moniker42 |
| 23:41.28 | JordiGH | Moniker42: It *is* the universal operating system. |
| 23:41.32 | bzed | !clean Moniker42 |
| 23:41.34 | bzed | damn |
| 23:41.42 | wols_ | Moniker42: kinda hard to find a washing machine with 32bit cpu and 16MB memory or so... |
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| 23:41.44 | Moniker42 | !botabuse | bzed ;) |
| 23:41.48 | bzed | !nvzdrink Moniker42 |
| 23:41.51 | sidymorin | bzed, !make clean ... |
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| 23:42.10 | mango | wols_ : 212.104.130.65, 81.168.40.1 |
| 23:42.11 | JordiGH | pythonic: Pity. Debian boxen have souls. They need a name. It's not just a hostname; it's a personality. |
| 23:42.13 | pythonic | JordiGH: have you tried dunking sophia in a tank of gel? |
| 23:42.37 | wols_ | mango: I asked about what your dhcp server is. not its IP |
| 23:42.47 | yigal | I have a logitech mouse PS/2 must unplug/plug into port to get to work. Does anyone know what could be going on? |
| 23:43.02 | Fudge^2 | What's a quick way of getting a sexily colorful init when you start? |
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| 23:43.05 | mango | 192.168.0.100 |
| 23:43.05 | Guerin | Fudge^2: take lsd |
| 23:43.06 | dendrite | Fudge^2: Wear pink glasses. |
| 23:43.06 | yigal | using Etch + testing updates |
| 23:43.06 | Moniker42 | pythonic, he's used gel as a lubricant though for the pc |
| 23:43.09 | Fudge^2 | Guerin, it needs to be cheaper. |
| 23:43.15 | agent | How do I fix the "untrusted sources" warning in aptitude using ftp.debian.org mirror? |
| 23:43.19 | Guerin | Fudge^2: you need a better supplier |
| 23:43.23 | Moniker42 | for when he dresses it up in a french maid's outfit and does nasty things to it |
| 23:43.29 | Fudge^2 | Guerin, got any names? |
| 23:43.30 | yigal | agent: you need to install a key |
| 23:43.31 | wols_ | Fudge^2: "borrow" some LSD |
| 23:43.40 | Fudge^2 | wols_, hmmm.. |
| 23:43.48 | JordiGH | Fudge^2: splashy is a quick fix that's always worked for me. It's not as nice as a real kernel patch, but it's easy to get working. |
| 23:43.51 | pythonic | i use gel as a lubricant for the pebkac |
| 23:44.01 | mango | wols_: I do not seem to understand your question. did you ask me about the dhcp ip address...sorry |
| 23:44.04 | Fudge^2 | JordiGH, thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 23:44.10 | JordiGH | !tell agent about apt key |
| 23:44.13 | agent | yigal: How and which one? I thought that this would already be installed if I had Etch Testing. |
| 23:44.17 | JordiGH | !apt-key |
| 23:44.28 | ivx | hey does anyone know if vhcs is in the repos for etch? |
| 23:44.31 | Guerin | Fudge^2: not where you are |
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| 23:44.56 | JordiGH | ivx: apt-cache search vhcs or packages.debian.org |
| 23:45.10 | JordiGH | ivx: But quick answer: it looks like it isn't. |
| 23:45.39 | wols_ | !why is vhcs not in etch |
| 23:45.39 | dpkg | wols_: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 23:45.44 | wols_ | !why is vhcs not in testing |
| 23:45.44 | dpkg | vhcs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vhcs |
| 23:45.45 | JordiGH | Fudge^2: Read the docs, though. You'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to get splashy working. |
| 23:45.49 | agent | dpkg does not have any entry for apt-key :( |
| 23:45.54 | Fudge^2 | JordiGH, aye. |
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| 23:45.57 | ivx | JordiGh, oh, it is still installing on my server... so I can't search it |
| 23:46.02 | yigal | agent: try #apt-key update |
| 23:46.13 | wols_ | agent: read the topic? |
| 23:46.20 | JoshJ | sun-java5-plugin is what i need for sun java in iceweasel, right? |
| 23:46.23 | agent | yigal, wols_: Will do, thank you |
| 23:46.35 | JordiGH | Fudge^2: Quickly, you need to pass splash silent vga=791 as parameters to Linux. |
| 23:46.53 | yigal | so no one has had ps/2 problem with mouse? |
| 23:46.58 | yigal | odd |
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| 23:47.21 | sidymorin | yigal, no mouse with my laptop ;p |
| 23:47.31 | agent | wols_: No I did not read the topic, thank you for pointing that out! |
| 23:47.34 | Ariel_Calzada | Viva Debian Etch is now stable |
| 23:48.08 | JordiGH | Viva Debian, viva la revolution. |
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| 23:48.33 | ivx | hey is there a hosting control panel that anyone suggests? |
| 23:49.08 | sidymorin | ivx, alternc, never tried ;p |
| 23:49.11 | Guerin | ivx: /bin/bash |
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| 23:49.41 | ivx | guerin, /bin/bash? |
| 23:49.52 | JordiGH | Fudge^2: Oh, you might also want a nice grub splash image. kde-look.org has some nice ready-to-use splashimages, as well as the debian package grub-splashimages. You use them by adding a line that says something like splashimage=(hd0,0)/path/to/splash/image/pic.xpm.gz |
| 23:49.53 | Guerin | ivx: yes. |
| 23:50.05 | Guerin | ivx: there's absolutely nothing it can't do |
| 23:50.13 | yigal | does anyone use bootsplash? |
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| 23:50.20 | Guerin | !anyone use bootsplash? |
| 23:50.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses bootsplash, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:50.21 | robin_sz | no |
| 23:50.25 | MatBoy | is it true when I do a distupgrade to lenny that not all packages can be authenticated ? |
| 23:50.35 | JordiGH | Or maybe the command is bootsplash=(hd0,0)/etc.... |
| 23:50.37 | Guerin | MatBoy: you tell us |
| 23:50.37 | Fudge^2 | JordiGH, I'm really just looking for some coloring of the text. ;P |
| 23:50.42 | yigal | dpkg: that is :-D |
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| 23:50.42 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, yigal |
| 23:50.50 | MatBoy | Guerin, I got the message |
| 23:51.06 | Guerin | MatBoy: then why are you asking us? It's clearly true. |
| 23:51.20 | MatBoy | Guerin, in fact to see if someone else had the same |
| 23:51.24 | JordiGH | Fudge^2: Like Knoppix? Oh, that's something else. You'll need a completely different distro for that. One that boots in a different way than Debian. |
| 23:51.31 | robin_sz | im getting oodles af warnigs about locales during htis upgrade |
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| 23:51.44 | pythonic | bootsplash kernel didn't boot for me |
| 23:51.51 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Is Perl complaining it can't find a locale and defaulting to C? |
| 23:51.56 | robin_sz | yesh |
| 23:51.58 | yigal | pythonic: it seems to never boot for me |
| 23:52.01 | Fudge^2 | JordiGH, ah, no biggy then, it's nothing mission-critical. ;P |
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| 23:52.18 | petekaz | dumb question regarding gnome and kde desktop environments vs apps called gnome-* and k*. gnome-* apps are built with the gtk+ framework and gnome desktop is a desktop based on the same toolkt? likewis for kde and qt? Does this mean that if I copy something in a k* app, I cannot paste into a gnome-* app (I'm not an my linux box now). |
| 23:52.19 | robin_sz | lots |
| 23:52.26 | nihraguk | urgh how come dspam has a dependency on clamav in apt-get.... can't i just have dspam alone |
| 23:52.29 | JordiGH | robin_sz: I got that too all the time. It's not a big deal, but it's a minor annoyance. :-/ |
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| 23:52.32 | MatBoy | Guerin, I think this is the one where I get it from: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main |
| 23:52.41 | chowmeined | so its really stable? |
| 23:52.48 | emergetw | I'm trying to install splashy, and when I do aptitude update after adding deb http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/debian/ unstable main to my /etc/apt/sources.list it gives me a 404 file not found when doing the update |
| 23:52.49 | sidymorin | petekaz, X copy/paste work in kde/gnome/xfce/X applications |
| 23:52.51 | emergetw | any ideas? |
| 23:52.52 | chowmeined | i had it crash a few times with RC2 |
| 23:52.57 | petekaz | likewise, if I try xfce, do I lose all benefits (small footprint) of it once I start any gnome app? |
| 23:52.58 | chairmeleon | etch final...how damn nice :D |
| 23:53.00 | dendrite | petekaz: The pasting is handled by X, which is a layer below the WM. |
| 23:53.01 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.05 | pythonic | bootsplash is nicest if you can get it working |
| 23:53.09 | JordiGH | petekaz: Copy and pasting works at the X level, not the desktop environment level. |
| 23:53.17 | abrotman | MatBoy: depends on your mirror |
| 23:53.20 | dendrite | petekaz: The graphics libs for kde is QT, I believe. |
| 23:53.21 | robin_sz | pythonic, but, like who ever boots? |
| 23:53.38 | JoshJ | laptop users |
| 23:53.39 | JordiGH | KDE has klipper which I find useful. I don't know if Gnome has something comparable. |
| 23:53.40 | MatBoy | abrotman, yep but the US is not that long awake on sunday I guess ? |
| 23:53.43 | yigal | pythonic: so true unless you want to see bootsplash |
| 23:53.45 | Guerin | chairmeleon: `stable' means `doesn't change' |
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| 23:53.55 | Guerin | chairmeleon: not `never crashes' |
| 23:53.58 | robin_sz | JoshJ, nah, we just hibernate |
| 23:54.03 | JoshJ | i don't hibernate :p |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | MatBoy: uhm .. it's 8pm and i'm EST .. so we're awake for a good while longer |
| 23:54.04 | petekaz | when we say X copy/paste, we are just talking middle mouse pasting. What about if I select Edit->Copy in gnome app, then Edit->Paste in KDE app? That is above X layer right? |
| 23:54.08 | JoshJ | crappy HP :/ |
| 23:54.13 | JordiGH | emergetw: Did you do apt-get update before running aptitude? |
| 23:54.13 | pythonic | even desktop users boot |
| 23:54.19 | yigal | petekaz: it should work |
| 23:54.22 | dendrite | petekaz: That should also use the X clipboard., |
| 23:54.22 | sidymorin | it doesn't change: it crashes as always ;p |
| 23:54.25 | robin_sz | rarely |
| 23:54.27 | MatBoy | abrotman, than I'm confused with Canada I guess |
| 23:54.30 | agent | I updated the debian key archive package, updated, and restarted aptitude and I still receive the untrusted key warning, and checking changelog states that changelog is only available from official sources. Strange. |
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| 23:54.34 | emergetw | JordiGH: no |
| 23:54.34 | petekaz | oh |
| 23:54.36 | pingouin | why ifconfig -a give me eth1 eth2 (got 2 network card) and not eth0 and eth1 ? after new fresh etch install ? |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: ti's the same in canada |
| 23:54.48 | emergetw | JordiGH: I though aptitude update should work |
| 23:54.52 | JordiGH | petekaz: X has its own clipboard. Yes, middle-clicking is how you paste from it. |
| 23:55.03 | MatBoy | abrotman, what is te time difference between east and west ? some hours ? |
| 23:55.03 | petekaz | well, what about if I use KDE, but start a gnome app? Doesn't a bunch of gnome stuff have to start because I'm running a gnome app? |
| 23:55.10 | JordiGH | emergetw: Oh, that's fine too. And you still got 404's? Did you check for typos in sources.list? |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | three hours mostly .. four sometimes |
| 23:55.14 | rahul | why would a country not be awake long on specific days? |
| 23:55.20 | MatBoy | ok, nice to know :) |
| 23:55.29 | dendrite | petekaz: Depends on the app, but generally, you only need to load stuff from the gnome dynamic libs. |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | rahul: MatBoy has weird ideas sometimes :) |
| 23:55.33 | rahul | MatBoy: I've been up till 3 in the morning on sundays |
| 23:55.36 | MatBoy | it's midnight here... so sleep well later guys ! |
| 23:55.41 | rahul | oh, I've also never gone to sleep on sundays |
| 23:55.45 | agent | rahul: Country wide hangover? ;) |
| 23:55.58 | rahul | agent: that would be not getting up till early, heh |
| 23:55.59 | pythonic | i will sleep well later |
| 23:56.00 | dendrite | petekaz: So yes, it can mean more overhead, since the gnome libs and the kde libs overlap a lot in functionality. |
| 23:56.00 | emergetw | JordiGH: yeah, and I copied and pasted straight from the wiki |
| 23:56.00 | MatBoy | abrotman, I always see it multiple ways :) |
| 23:56.01 | petekaz | so if I want to run xfce (low footprint), and start a gnome app, all is not lost? |
| 23:56.06 | yigal | Well at least Debian is easy to install compared to a BSD |
| 23:56.09 | rahul | agent: er, late |
| 23:56.14 | dendrite | petekaz: Correct. |
| 23:56.14 | emergetw | JordiGH: are you using splashy by chance? |
| 23:56.16 | sidymorin | petekaz, will work |
| 23:56.17 | JordiGH | emergetw: Don't know, mate. Try a different mirror. :-/ |
| 23:56.17 | rahul | agent: hrm, maybe I need a nap :P |
| 23:56.18 | agent | rahul: yes! |
| 23:56.21 | JordiGH | I'm using splashy, yes. |
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| 23:56.34 | yigal | jordigh: does splashy work well for you |
| 23:56.34 | dendrite | petekaz: If you use apt-get or equivalent to install, the libs (dependencies) will be there, and it should just work. |
| 23:56.49 | multi_io | is xmms2 worthwhile.....? |
| 23:56.57 | yigal | multi_io: yes |
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| 23:57.10 | dendrite | yigal: What does xmms2 offer? |
| 23:57.17 | yigal | multi_io: I use it in the CL to listen to last.fm |
| 23:57.17 | JordiGH | emergetw: Waitaminute.... why are you using alioth for splashy? It's in the main Debian branch. |
| 23:57.18 | multi_io | yigal: which client do you use? |
| 23:57.25 | deadcat | whos lenny? |
| 23:57.30 | JordiGH | yigal: It works well for me, yeah. |
| 23:57.32 | JordiGH | !lenny |
| 23:57.32 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0, currently testing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 23:57.40 | deadcat | thanks |
| 23:57.40 | magyar | what happens with sid, will they push 2.6.20 for the eager ones? |
| 23:57.44 | petekaz | dendrite: right. I was just wondering from a memory point of viwe, which you already answered. Ideally, if I try xfce, I should only use xfce built apps. |
| 23:57.45 | yigal | multi_io: none just the command line and a script I work on |
| 23:57.51 | emergetw | JordiGH: I thought it was only in unstable |
| 23:58.11 | JordiGH | emergetw: Oh, you're right, it's only in unstable. |
| 23:58.18 | dendrite | petekaz: Well, unless you want the ooh shiny stuff of kde or gnome. :-) |
| 23:58.27 | yigal | JordiGH: great I built a system for my dad and I want it to look good for him |
| 23:58.34 | petekaz | ok .. thanks. |
| 23:58.46 | emergetw | JordiGH: could you post you line for splashy from your sources.list? or are you running unstable? |
| 23:58.57 | multi_io | can I keep using my .m3u files, or do I have to import them into some sophostocated server-based playlist or something? |
| 23:59.12 | yigal | multi_io: it handles m3u |
| 23:59.13 | multi_io | *sophisticated |
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| 23:59.21 | agent | magyar: Hold tight, sid should be bombarded with updates soon enough. :) |
| 23:59.27 | JordiGH | emergetw: I run a mixed system, testing/unstable. I'm drawing the dependency graph of splashy, trying to see if I can recommend to you to just grab the unstable package. |
| 23:59.33 | *** part/#debian petekaz (n=user@c-24-61-206-4.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:59.34 | yigal | multi_io: you may need to use unstable repos to get all the packages you want |
| 23:59.51 | abrotman | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
