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| 00:00.00 | JordiGH | emergetw: Actually, if you do that right now, graph the unstable splashy, you should be fine, since the most glaring dependency I see is libc6, which is currently the same in testing and unstable. |
| 00:00.22 | yigal | JordiGH: hey for my info thats great |
| 00:00.26 | emergetw | JordiGH: so how would I 'graph the unstable splashy'? |
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| 00:01.48 | magyar | agent: cant wait to start messing around with the home system. :) |
| 00:01.55 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.09 | dav__ | elo |
| 00:02.13 | magyar | any changes to /etc/apt/lists? |
| 00:02.32 | multi_io | yigal: where do you launch the daemon? |
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| 00:02.48 | multi_io | in ~/.profile ? |
| 00:02.53 | JordiGH | emergetw: Copy your line for the main debian mirror and add it as well to your sources.list but substitute "main" "testing" "etch" "sarge" or whatever with "unstable". As a safety precaution, add to /etc/apt/apt.conf (create the file if it doesn't exist) the line APT::Default-Release "testing". Then apt-get update and aptitude install splashy. If aptitude doesn't drag in a buttload of packages or upgrades critical packages, you're good to go. |
| 00:03.02 | JordiGH | yigal: It is. |
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| 00:03.40 | yigal | multi_io: just use CL: $xmms2d :) |
| 00:03.54 | JordiGH | emergetw: aptitude will ask for confirmation before dragging the aforementioned hypothetical buttload, so don't worry. |
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| 00:04.31 | mastroDani | hi there: i just upgraded my system (debian unstable) and now when launching network-admin i get this error: "The entered password is invalid" "Check that you typed it correctly and that you haven't activated the caps lock" |
| 00:04.45 | mastroDani | someone else have this prob? |
| 00:05.18 | magyar | the bot needs to be updated, etch is still testing |
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| 00:05.43 | dendrite | magyar: Ummmm... Are you sure? |
| 00:05.46 | mastroDani | nobody else have this issue? |
| 00:05.53 | magyar | dendrite: uh-huh |
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| 00:06.04 | dendrite | magyar: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:06.07 | magyar | dendrite: try msg dpkg apt |
| 00:06.35 | dendrite | magyar: Ah, you mean dpkg is out of date? |
| 00:06.40 | abrotman | dan2_: how many cows do you own ? |
| 00:06.47 | dendrite | !apt |
| 00:06.47 | dpkg | apt is probably Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 00:07.08 | multi_io | meh, xmms2 blocks all alsa playbacks, just like xmms did (which was why I was updating in the first place) |
| 00:07.08 | multi_io | :-( |
| 00:07.11 | abrotman | dmix? |
| 00:07.15 | multi_io | yes |
| 00:07.38 | emergetw | JordiGH: E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Extra junk at end of file then only thing in the file is APT::Default-Release "testing" |
| 00:07.41 | multi_io | I can play multiple mp3 with mplayer just fine |
| 00:07.49 | multi_io | *mp3s |
| 00:07.56 | multi_io | (simultaneously) |
| 00:07.58 | JordiGH | emergetw: Sorry, forgot a semicolon. Add a newline as well. |
| 00:08.01 | magyar | dendrite: dont know how i did it but http://pastebin.ca/430457 |
| 00:08.02 | JordiGH | emergetw: At the end of that line. |
| 00:08.18 | yigal | multi_io: I am sorry |
| 00:08.37 | mastroDani | nobody can help me? |
| 00:09.01 | yigal | mastroDani: in the Debian guide there is a section devoted to losing your root password please read that |
| 00:09.04 | sidymorin | mastroDani, does network-admin is a command that run as root? |
| 00:09.05 | dendrite | magyar: Maybe the bot owner can do a search/replace? :-) |
| 00:09.07 | pingouin | each time i install a new font i got : warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory , from the apt-get install , what i've forgot ? |
| 00:09.08 | dendrite | !owner |
| 00:09.09 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 00:09.13 | magyar | dendrite: try this " /msg dpkg atp" |
| 00:09.15 | magyar | :) |
| 00:09.20 | magyar | that'll do it |
| 00:09.30 | emergetw | JordiGH: gah my laptop will probably die here in a minute or two, thanks for the help |
| 00:09.31 | mastroDani | yigal, i didn't loose my password! and i'm not alone to have this error |
| 00:09.32 | magyar | apt backwords |
| 00:09.38 | emergetw | JordiGH: hope this works |
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| 00:09.46 | yigal | mastroDani: thats scary |
| 00:09.52 | nzk | Why do I need 26 disks to install Etch? |
| 00:09.53 | JordiGH | emergetw: I hope it dies because of low battery and not anything I've suggested. :-) |
| 00:10.02 | yigal | nzk: you don't |
| 00:10.06 | mastroDani | sidymorin, i've launched it as root.. and with gksu too.. if i had put there a wrong password it wouldn't had launched the tool, don't you think? |
| 00:10.14 | nzk | yigal, then which discs do i need? |
| 00:10.15 | yigal | nzk: just the first 3 should do |
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| 00:10.24 | mastroDani | yigal, i'm speaking in debian-it.. there are other guys with my prob |
| 00:10.30 | sidymorin | mastroDani, I tought you didn't success to launched the tool |
| 00:10.54 | nzk | first 3? |
| 00:10.56 | nzk | jesus |
| 00:11.00 | mastroDani | sidymorin, i launched it from root.. the password it's not a problem.. really! |
| 00:11.04 | magyar | hi all, does one needs to make any changes to "/etc/apt/source.lists" file after etch became stable? |
| 00:11.07 | nzk | what if the only thing i want to do is run Folding@home |
| 00:11.14 | nzk | can i just install the most minimal system |
| 00:11.16 | yigal | mastroDani: do you have sudo set up |
| 00:11.18 | emergetw | JordiGH: ok, I'm plugged in, no dead laptop for me |
| 00:11.23 | mastroDani | sidymorin, i don't know what you mean with "you didn't success to launched the tool" |
| 00:11.23 | markybob | magyar: make sure it says etch instead of testing |
| 00:11.31 | yigal | nzk: you don't even need the first 3, just use one and download the rest |
| 00:11.33 | RichiH | hrm |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | RichiH: thanks .. i was uncomfortable |
| 00:11.41 | yigal | nzk: sorry the 1st one |
| 00:11.49 | RichiH | abrotman: i was hopelessly stuck in backlog without noticing |
| 00:11.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:11.58 | RichiH | yah.. :p |
| 00:12.00 | mastroDani | yigal, nope.. i don't use sudo |
| 00:12.09 | magyar | markybob: i have that, but shoudn't it say "stable" instead of etch? and what about security? |
| 00:12.28 | yigal | can you change your password via a live disk, i.e. through etch's installer |
| 00:12.33 | markybob | magyar: it should say the name of the distro you want, so it doesnt skip around on you during releases. so keep etch |
| 00:12.45 | mastroDani | yigal, i have my root password |
| 00:12.58 | magyar | markybob: what about "security" ? |
| 00:13.03 | mastroDani | yigal, i don't have to change it: the problem is not the password! |
| 00:13.04 | yigal | mastroDani:but if it isn't working it sounds like it reset it for you? |
| 00:13.05 | JordiGH | The etch install CD has a rescue mode that will drop you into a busybox shell. It's not very friendly, but it's usable. |
| 00:13.11 | markybob | magyar: what about it? use etch for the security line |
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| 00:13.21 | mastroDani | yigal, i can go root.. so the password is there and i have it |
| 00:13.31 | magyar | markybob: "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" <-- |
| 00:13.35 | sidymorin | mastroDani, I think you forget to tell "when do you get the error message"... |
| 00:13.42 | mastroDani | yigal, if i do "su" and enter the password it work.. any other tool i tried work.. |
| 00:13.51 | iwkse | hi all, i'm getting the similar error like in this link http://de.pastebin.ca/316906 about os.readlink...just after distupgrading..any help? |
| 00:13.53 | mastroDani | sidymorin, when launching the tool.. |
| 00:14.00 | markybob | magyar: yes |
| 00:14.02 | mastroDani | wait.. i post a screenshot (it's in italian) |
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| 00:14.02 | sidymorin | mastroDani, from where? |
| 00:14.06 | magyar | thanks |
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| 00:14.18 | yigal | mastroDani: ty that should give me some understanding of your problem |
| 00:14.28 | mahdi | hi, i'm trying to tweak my confs here, but pci=biosirq on grubs menu.lst gives me PCI: Unknown option `biosirq'. anybody knows why? |
| 00:14.35 | mastroDani | sidymorin, same thing if i launch it from the gnome menĂ¹ (so via gksu) or from the root shell |
| 00:14.41 | mahdi | did this option change? |
| 00:14.54 | simonrvn | info grub |
| 00:15.00 | mastroDani | yigal, wait.. |
| 00:15.18 | simonrvn | i've never heard of that option (that doesn't mean anything though ;) |
| 00:15.45 | amphi | mahdi: look at kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel source Documentation |
| 00:16.12 | Fudge^2 | Hmm |
| 00:16.40 | mahdi | amphi hmmm... where is that, plz? |
| 00:16.42 | mastroDani | yigal, simonrvn watch here: http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networkadminprobxf3.png |
| 00:16.53 | simonrvn | why should i? |
| 00:17.04 | simonrvn | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 00:17.04 | amphi | mahdi: i the Documentation directory of the kernel source |
| 00:17.12 | multi_io | abrotman: are there problems with dmix that you know of? |
| 00:17.20 | mahdi | hmmm not using custom = |
| 00:17.21 | sidymorin | simonrvn, hot babes! |
| 00:17.22 | mahdi | =/ |
| 00:17.35 | mastroDani | yigal, understand now? |
| 00:17.37 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 00:17.53 | mahdi | found online |
| 00:17.54 | mahdi | tkz |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | multi_io: never used it |
| 00:18.05 | simonrvn | i'm with a hot babe already... |
| 00:18.26 | yigal | mastroDani: did you try and reset your root password? Then maybe gnome will remember what it should? |
| 00:18.29 | sidymorin | mastroDani, hum, it's seems like a Xorg problems or something like that |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | mastroDani: and it's in russian |
| 00:18.51 | pythonic | simonrvn: this one? http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/ |
| 00:19.07 | mahdi | hmm... these calls r ia32 only... |
| 00:19.08 | mastroDani | abrotman, it's italian not russian |
| 00:19.16 | mastroDani | yigal, why should i reset my password? |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | australian? |
| 00:19.43 | mastroDani | yigal, i'm launching it from root... so the password is ok |
| 00:19.47 | yigal | mastroDani: somewhere there may have been a problem but by resetting it, it might make it work |
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| 00:19.59 | pythonic | australian? |
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| 00:20.08 | mastroDani | yigal, reset it you mean: passwd and change it? |
| 00:20.08 | sidymorin | mastroDani, it's not a password problem... it's a gnome session sharing problem |
| 00:20.18 | mastroDani | sidymorin, i think so too |
| 00:20.20 | yigal | mastroDani: yes a simple passwd root |
| 00:20.23 | multi_io | abrotman: doesn playing back multiple files simultaneously work without dmix? |
| 00:20.42 | mastroDani | yigal, if this could let you feel better i will.. but i don't think it will change the situation |
| 00:20.43 | wols_ | multi_io: only if you have a hardware mixer (SB live for example) |
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| 00:20.44 | abrotman | dunno |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | i think mine does |
| 00:21.06 | wols_ | abrotman: what card? |
| 00:21.21 | yigal | gpg I love you when will you come back |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | wols_: guess? |
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| 00:21.37 | abrotman | wols_: but i've never really experimented |
| 00:21.49 | LinuxNIT | can anyone tell me where the docroot is for apache in debian? |
| 00:21.55 | abrotman | /var/www/ |
| 00:21.57 | multi_io | abrotman: so you use alsa without dmix? |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | ' |
| 00:22.07 | LinuxNIT | hmmm ok thanks |
| 00:22.09 | mastroDani | yigal, i changed it.. same problem |
| 00:22.28 | robin_sz | abrotman, so at some point after a dist-ubgrade I need to reboot? |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | robin_sz: yeah .. your libc6 and possibly your kernel got updated .. it'd be a smart thing to do |
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| 00:23.32 | mastroDani | sidymorin, i think i should open a bug.. |
| 00:23.39 | mastroDani | sidymorin, where? debian or gnome bug? |
| 00:23.43 | yigal | mastroDani: what are using networking for and is it only networking that you are trying to use? |
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| 00:24.21 | mastroDani | yigal, everything else work.. networking work too.. but that tool doesn't work anymore, i can use "ifconfig" but i wanna solve this |
| 00:24.28 | Ronin` | well that didnt go well heh |
| 00:24.35 | sidymorin | mastroDani, what I'm reading right now, the gnomeui warning is only a warning, and doesn't block the program |
| 00:24.45 | abrotman | Ronin`: was fun for us! |
| 00:24.46 | yigal | mastroDani: could it be permission issues chmod ? |
| 00:24.58 | Ronin` | ya bite me |
| 00:24.59 | abrotman | why would someone put a win32 key in their /part ? |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman | Ronin`: what'd you do ? |
| 00:25.20 | mastroDani | sidymorin, hum.. the tool worked just fine before the upgrade.. there's some way to know what packages i updated? |
| 00:25.30 | mastroDani | yigal, i don't know.. but i don't think so |
| 00:25.56 | sidymorin | mastroDani, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:26.03 | mastroDani | sidymorin, tnx.. i check |
| 00:26.11 | Ronin` | abrotman: upgrade so i did it too myself |
| 00:26.17 | Ronin` | no x anymore heh |
| 00:26.56 | abrotman | Ronin`: why not? |
| 00:27.03 | Ronin` | wont start, |
| 00:27.08 | Ronin` | be back in a second |
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| 00:27.44 | freshmeat | Debian is agreat distro. |
| 00:27.49 | Fudge^2 | Hmm |
| 00:27.53 | JordiGH | !beer Debian |
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| 00:30.09 | mastroDani | yigal, http://pastebin.ca/430473 |
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| 00:30.19 | mastroDani | yigal, this are the package i upgraded |
| 00:30.22 | mastroDani | they are a lot |
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| 00:32.53 | pingouin | is xfs or xfstt *really* necessary to be installed ? |
| 00:32.57 | rahul | no |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | unless you're using it |
| 00:33.20 | pipeline | pingouin: not necessary at all, but convenient. That way you can manage your fonts normally, and still have those fonts usable inside your X11R6 |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:33.35 | rahul | pipeline: normally? |
| 00:33.36 | pipeline | pingouin: just install all of the debian X11R7 infrastructure and use X11R6 |
| 00:33.42 | rahul | you mean abnormally. |
| 00:33.44 | pipeline | rahul: this guy is the one installing a third-party X server. |
| 00:33.52 | rahul | oh |
| 00:33.58 | pipeline | rahul: and "normally" means defoma and friends. |
| 00:34.01 | rahul | yes |
| 00:34.05 | rahul | I see your point |
| 00:35.13 | RichiH | . |
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| 00:35.17 | RichiH | ^ it's there |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | must be a german joke |
| 00:35.38 | RichiH | point == dot, in german |
| 00:35.40 | iwkse | anybody can help me? apt-system seems to be broke after a dist-upgrade http://pastebin.ca/430478 |
| 00:35.49 | abrotman | RichiH: period ? |
| 00:35.59 | RichiH | and the literal translation of 'i see your point' does not work in german |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | iwkse: bugs.debian.org/python-central |
| 00:36.17 | RichiH | which makes it a good way to detect peope who talk too much english for their own good |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | RichiH: "I see your dot" ? |
| 00:36.22 | RichiH | pretty much |
| 00:36.23 | JordiGH | RichiH: Is "point" a dirty word in German? |
| 00:36.30 | RichiH | JordiGH: no |
| 00:36.36 | JordiGH | RichiH: Awww... :-( |
| 00:36.45 | me_here | i see your mom ? |
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| 00:37.08 | pingouin | pipeline: sorry, i'm not sure to got it. i've installed x-window-system-core, so xorg also, and some fonts, but it's not very good with firefox/seamonkey. i've seen a 'suggested' package from apt- when installed x-window-system-core, xfs. is is X11R7 about ? |
| 00:37.10 | RichiH | me_here: nope |
| 00:37.22 | emergetw | JordiGH: heh, well I got it all installed but I rebooted and it didnt seem to run |
| 00:37.24 | iwkse | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:37.33 | Xorm | Hey, I just installed Etch from the netinst, and all it did was install the base system. |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | iwkse: do you see it ? |
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| 00:37.40 | abrotman | Xorm: that's what happens |
| 00:37.44 | mastroDani | the package that depends on gnome-system-tools that i upgraded are: liborbit2 libtasn1-3 libx11-6 system-tools-backends |
| 00:37.45 | Xorm | Didn't have any option to select package categories for download. |
| 00:37.49 | yigal | mastroDani: it is not loading for me |
| 00:37.50 | Xorm | abrotman, why? =\ |
| 00:37.54 | JordiGH | emergetw: Did you edit your menu.lst? |
| 00:37.57 | mastroDani | yigal, ? what? |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | oh .. you mean tasksel ? |
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| 00:38.15 | Xorm | netinst ETCH RC2 let me download a system. |
| 00:38.15 | iwkse | abrotman: checking.. |
| 00:38.20 | Xorm | w/ X and all. |
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| 00:38.27 | abrotman | Xorm: and this one should have too. |
| 00:38.33 | Xorm | It didn't. -_- |
| 00:38.36 | emergetw | JordiGH: no, I didn't |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | Xorm: the same thing happened to pupeno- |
| 00:38.41 | emergetw | JordiGH: what should I change there? |
| 00:38.44 | Xorm | hmm. |
| 00:38.49 | noiesmo | how do i stop a kernel module from loading |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | did you use lvm ? |
| 00:38.51 | Xorm | Faulty package then, perhaps? |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 00:38.55 | Xorm | nope. |
| 00:38.55 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:38.56 | mastroDani | yigal, what is not loading? |
| 00:39.02 | waltman | aptitude update on my testing box is saying "expected stable but got sarge". Can I assume this will get better once everything rolls out, or do I need to change something? |
| 00:39.02 | freshmeat | Hey... what is the name of the free Linux USB drivers? |
| 00:39.03 | abrotman | Xorm: i'd say try again .. |
| 00:39.07 | Xorm | I did, |
| 00:39.07 | freshmeat | I wanted to check out the source. |
| 00:39.09 | Xorm | Same result. |
| 00:39.13 | yigal | mastroDani:http://pastebin.ca/430473 |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | waltman: show us your sources |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:39.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:39.26 | JordiGH | emergetw: You need to pass Linux some parameters. "silent splash vga=791" should work. In the line where Grub says what kernel to run, right after the kernel name and version, there are parameters. Add those three. |
| 00:39.52 | yigal | JordiGH is there any way to see the processes as they work and splashy at the same time? |
| 00:39.52 | noiesmo | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:39.53 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run update-initramfs in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:39.56 | Xorm | oh well, I'm installing from the RC2 netinst, just dropping notice for what happened. |
| 00:39.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:40.08 | markybob | freshmeat: uh...download the kernel source from kernel.org... ? usb drivers are in there...like every other driver |
| 00:40.09 | Xorm | It was the i386 one, btw. |
| 00:40.17 | JordiGH | emergetw: /usr/share/doc/splashy/readme should have more details, but out of 6 installs I recently did, it worked in 5. |
| 00:40.17 | abrotman | i haven't seen it |
| 00:40.23 | abrotman | other than what pupeno- said |
| 00:40.34 | JordiGH | yigal: No, unfortunately. Splashy just covers everything with a progress bar. |
| 00:40.46 | mastroDani | yigal, it open perfectly here.. anyway i written here all the package that depends on gnome-system-tools that i upgraded: they are 4 liborbit2 libtasn1-3 libx11-6 system-tools-backends |
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| 00:40.52 | JordiGH | yigal: If you want to see boot messages, splashy goes away completely. |
| 00:41.11 | waltman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5994 |
| 00:41.13 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.16 | iwkse | abrotman: seems to be not there |
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| 00:41.44 | abrotman | iwkse: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418153 |
| 00:41.48 | JordiGH | Splashy isn't as nice as a real kernel patch bootsplash, but it's easy. |
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| 00:42.23 | waltman | the full message is "W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge)" |
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| 00:42.59 | iwkse | abrotman: isn't this one |
| 00:43.14 | nihraguk | waltman: change stable to etch in sources.list |
| 00:43.16 | yigal | mastroDani: what happens when you run # network-admin from the command line? |
| 00:43.20 | waltman | ok, thanks |
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| 00:43.47 | waltman | will stable eventually become etch? |
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| 00:43.59 | iwkse | abrotman: -config.get + _default.get, i already fixed |
| 00:44.02 | wols_ | etch has become stable now |
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| 00:44.03 | JordiGH | waltman: It already is! |
| 00:44.05 | JordiGH | !wwer |
| 00:44.05 | dpkg | i guess wwer is IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html .. dang that feel good!! |
| 00:44.17 | magyar | phew, was close.... almost flushed my sarge install |
| 00:44.31 | magyar | apt had a line "stable" |
| 00:44.42 | waltman | I meant in regards to the security.debian.org repository :) |
| 00:44.48 | mastroDani | yigal, watch the image.. happen the same thing |
| 00:44.49 | dendrite | waltman: I expect things will settle down as mirrors properly sync. |
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| 00:45.24 | waltman | that's why my original question was whether things would get better once everything rolls out :) |
| 00:45.26 | yigal | GNOME desktop environment 2.14 :-) thats cool its Debian |
| 00:45.30 | mikes1 | Any got a link for 4.0 or are all mirrors loaded? |
| 00:46.06 | yigal | I am sorry mastroDani I do not know enough about GNOME/X to help you |
| 00:46.18 | Guerin | mikes1: Just Do It |
| 00:46.27 | waltman | OK, I don't think tonight is a good night to install 139 new packages :) |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | iwkse: all fixed? |
| 00:47.01 | agent | What does wwer stand for? |
| 00:47.03 | mikes1 | Guerin: trying |
| 00:47.03 | redduck666 | Guerin: meh... backups are for pussys :-) |
| 00:47.06 | iwkse | >>> os.readlink('/usr/bin/python') |
| 00:47.06 | iwkse | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 00:47.06 | iwkse | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.06 | iwkse | OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/usr/bin/python' |
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| 00:47.08 | Fudge^2 | Guerin, stock up on some LSD. |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | mikes1: use BT ? |
| 00:47.20 | mikes1 | abrotman: cheers |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | mikes1: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 00:47.29 | robin_sz | kewl .. it *seems* to have come back up |
| 00:47.53 | concept10 | I never understand why everyone waits until the final release and overload the servers at one time |
| 00:47.54 | redduck666 | !tell agent about wwer |
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| 00:47.54 | agent | yigal: But KDE is up to date. ;) GNOME is/was quite buggy. |
| 00:47.54 | iwkse | sorry abrotman |
| 00:47.54 | davi | How to ask for a package to be added to Debian?. libtranslate* Reference: http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/binary-versiondiff.html |
| 00:47.56 | iwkse | what you was saying? |
| 00:48.06 | mastroDani | somebody else could help me? |
| 00:48.11 | Guerin | Fudge^2: like, woah. |
| 00:48.14 | iwkse | mastroDani: do you use sudo? |
| 00:48.18 | mastroDani | this is a bug created after the upgrade |
| 00:48.21 | mastroDani | iwkse, no |
| 00:48.24 | iwkse | ok |
| 00:48.24 | Guerin | davi: file a RFP |
| 00:48.32 | yigal | agent: ty, in my opinion GNOME sucks compared to KDE to be quite honest |
| 00:48.39 | Guerin | davi: see bugs.debian.org for more information |
| 00:48.41 | iwkse | i'm getting problems after update too, but related to python |
| 00:48.49 | davi | thanks Guerin |
| 00:48.50 | Xorm | =\ |
| 00:48.51 | mikes1 | I like both |
| 00:48.55 | Guerin | yigal: both gnome and kde suck about evenly in my experience |
| 00:48.55 | Xorm | I rather like Gnome. |
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| 00:49.00 | Xorm | lol Guerin. |
| 00:49.01 | iwkse | yigal: why gnome should sucks? |
| 00:49.17 | Guerin | i just installed an etch box for me mum, and gnome is plenty shiny on it... she likes it |
| 00:49.21 | mikes1 | can I just upgrade etch from existing repo's? |
| 00:49.21 | agent | redduck666: I know about that, but still have no idea what the letters stand for. Oh well, it is not important. :) |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | mikes1: yes |
| 00:49.36 | Guerin | but my wife can't survive without kde, and that horrible purple CDE-alike theme |
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| 00:49.37 | Heston | alright, ive got an ethernet chipset that requires that frocedeth module but its not included with the etch rc2 installer, what should i do? |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | !tell mikes1 about sarge->etch |
| 00:49.50 | Guerin | Heston: get a real network card |
| 00:49.51 | iwkse | Guerin: lol yeah horrible |
| 00:50.05 | agent | Go CDE! |
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| 00:50.08 | Xorm | !tell Xorm about sarge->etch |
| 00:50.17 | Heston | Guerin, no, tell linux to make some real drivers |
| 00:50.22 | Heston | its an nvidia chipset |
| 00:50.42 | Heston | works flawless in windows |
| 00:50.43 | redduck666 | Xorm: you can use /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:50.51 | Xorm | ah. |
| 00:50.55 | Xorm | okay, noted. |
| 00:51.42 | agent | Heston: Linux is not a person, company or organization. It is a kernel. I am pretty sure kernel's are no capable of writing code themselves. Maybe in 100 years when computers are "smarter" than humans. |
| 00:51.42 | iwkse | Heston: nvidia ethernet chip? |
| 00:51.42 | Heston | agent, gee, thanks for that clever input |
| 00:51.44 | agent | Heston: You are welcome. :P |
| 00:51.46 | Guerin | Heston: why fight it when you can buy a decently crap NIC for $5 which will Just Work |
| 00:52.01 | iwkse | agent: or also when hardware producer will release specifics? |
| 00:52.01 | Heston | Guerin, because mine already works |
| 00:52.04 | markybob | Guerin: not as fun as trolling |
| 00:52.15 | Guerin | Heston: if it did, you wouldn't be pissing and moaning about it in here |
| 00:52.35 | Heston | Guerin, you must be a moron, i already stated it worked, that's not the issue |
| 00:52.42 | Guerin | Heston: oh, sorry. |
| 00:52.53 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:53.15 | agent | Heston: But it really is not the developer's fault, it is NVIDIA not wanting to release specifications for their chipsets. How do you expect people to write drivers (even for free) if they do not have the chipset? Magic? The only way is reverse engineering which is a pain in the rear and most people just do not want to deal with it. In short: blame NVIDIA. |
| 00:53.19 | yigal | Xorm, iwkse: GNOME is however, nice for my father who doesn't no how to use a computer |
| 00:53.20 | Guerin | Heston: it's not working with etch, no? |
| 00:53.24 | Xorm | yigal, KDE does? |
| 00:53.37 | iwkse | yigal: isn't that it doesn't allowed...maybe would be better to say that you don't know how to configure? |
| 00:53.39 | yigal | Xorm: personally I like dwm but I am a minimalist |
| 00:53.42 | Heston | Guerin, it works with etch, as long as you have the forcedeth module to set some flags |
| 00:53.46 | Xorm | I didn't know it had serious advantage over GNOME in that respect, I may have to investigate. >_> |
| 00:53.58 | yigal | Xorm: yes KDE does |
| 00:54.15 | markybob | xorm kde is infinitely more configurable and has a ton more preferences. gnome was meant to just be as simple as possible |
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| 00:54.21 | Guerin | Heston: oh. And forcedeth isn't in etch d-i, or it is but you can't set the flags? |
| 00:54.31 | Heston | Guerin, etch does not come with the forcedeth |
| 00:54.37 | Heston | module |
| 00:54.43 | Niklas- | Hey, i was wondering how i can enable sub pixel rendering in xorg? Im running Debian Etch |
| 00:54.44 | agent | pfft, I just use pure xorg without a desktop or window manager. Take that! |
| 00:55.01 | agent | (not being serious) |
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| 00:55.10 | Guerin | Heston: in which case, see my advice as at 12:52:03 |
| 00:55.14 | iwkse | i don't use gnome or kde but i think gnome is good |
| 00:55.18 | yigal | Xorm: I don't like KDE because from the fact that it adds its own k-notepad, mail, etc. it everything but everything else is quite nice |
| 00:55.38 | mastroDani | @everybody i solved it ( iwkse yigal ) |
| 00:55.49 | iwkse | mastroDani: what it was? |
| 00:55.54 | mastroDani | i downgraded the version of system-tools-backends |
| 00:55.56 | yigal | mastroDani: GREAT, how? |
| 00:55.59 | Heston | Guerin, your adivse was noted and discarded as im not wasting money on somethign that already works |
| 00:56.00 | mastroDani | and i restarted to work |
| 00:56.03 | iwkse | ah.. |
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| 00:56.16 | yigal | GREAT |
| 00:56.19 | theblue_ | Hi all. |
| 00:56.27 | Guerin | Heston: now we return to my advice as at 12:52:32 |
| 00:56.35 | yigal | mastroDani: sorry there was a bug in the packages |
| 00:56.40 | theblue_ | Congrats on 4.0! |
| 00:56.42 | mastroDani | iwkse, yigal it asked me for the distro and then it opened just rigth.. so there's some problem with system-tools-backends=1.4.2-4 |
| 00:56.44 | theblue_ | What is it, 8 years in the making? |
| 00:56.49 | mastroDani | the version before is 1.4.2-3 |
| 00:56.56 | Heston | Guerin, now you assume we are in the same time zone and that i infact have time stamps on |
| 00:57.09 | yigal | mastroDani: awsome, nothing lost except for time |
| 00:57.18 | Guerin | Heston: the point being that you can either spend hours rolling your own installer kernel, or you can just go and grab a NIC and get the job done |
| 00:57.19 | Heston | not that i care, nothign you've said as of yet has been useful |
| 00:57.35 | rcc | is there any way to mount a samba share such that it's non-blocking? |
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| 00:57.47 | Guerin | Heston: fair enough. |
| 00:57.56 | mastroDani | yigal, but i think it should be fixed, many other will find this prob |
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| 00:58.16 | yigal | mastroDani: yes of course |
| 00:58.43 | yigal | mastroDani: if it were me in your position I hope I would have done the same |
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| 00:58.56 | militant | hmmmm. so i installed etch. it didn't ask anything about desktop/server/etc and i apparently have no X. |
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| 00:59.23 | yigal | militant:thats really very odd |
| 00:59.28 | abrotman | Heston: forcedeth is a modujle |
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| 00:59.44 | Heston | abrotman, thank you, ive stated that many times |
| 00:59.45 | mastroDani | yigal, now everytime i get a new dialog |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | Heston: damn you .. i thought you said it wasn't a module :) |
| 01:00.01 | mastroDani | i paste you the screenshot |
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| 01:00.27 | yigal | mastroDani: ok Im waiting :) |
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| 01:01.19 | mastroDani | yigal, i will translate the message here http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=piattaformaig0.png |
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| 01:03.02 | mastroDani | it say: Platform (system) not supported ... If you are sure that your platform behave in a way near to one of the platform of the list below choose one and go on. Note that this could damage your configuration or block your computer |
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| 01:03.57 | me_here | nö |
| 01:04.00 | me_here | ups |
| 01:04.29 | IRCMonkey | hello |
| 01:04.29 | yigal | mastroDani: I managed to glean this from the little spannish I know which compares well to Itallian. You should just report it as a bug I think and use tools you are comfortable with? No? |
| 01:04.37 | Heston | it appears forcedeth is the reversed engineered driver for my chipset...why its not included...who knows |
| 01:04.38 | iwkse | there's a way to remove python without removing all dependencies? |
| 01:04.47 | abrotman | you don't want to |
| 01:04.48 | rahul | iwkse: no |
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| 01:04.55 | yigal | iwkse: remove python? |
| 01:04.58 | iwkse | why not! |
| 01:04.59 | rahul | not one that will do anything helpful for you |
| 01:05.10 | iwkse | python broke my apt-get |
| 01:05.11 | rahul | because without python, those other things won't work |
| 01:05.13 | iwkse | and i must remove it |
| 01:05.18 | iwkse | and reinstall again |
| 01:05.22 | yigal | iwkse: well you like GNOME so you wouldn't like python |
| 01:05.27 | rahul | iwkse: --reinstall |
| 01:05.33 | markybob | iwkse: so read the bug report and patch the file like it tells you to |
| 01:05.35 | iwkse | --reinstall wont works |
| 01:05.40 | yigal | iwkse: sorry very much out of context jj |
| 01:05.41 | yigal | sorry |
| 01:05.44 | rahul | iwkse: then remove won't install |
| 01:05.54 | rahul | erm |
| 01:05.57 | iwkse | yigal: i like python.. |
| 01:05.59 | rahul | remove won't uninstall it |
| 01:06.06 | markybob | damn it's one line you have to edit |
| 01:06.08 | markybob | big fucking deal |
| 01:06.25 | iwkse | yigal: i just don't like kde apps that needs a nasa mainframe to run good |
| 01:06.49 | rahul | a big fucking deal is something a porn star gets |
| 01:06.52 | Heston | on any OS but debian, kde outperforms gnome for some reason |
| 01:06.56 | drv | iwkse, roflmao |
| 01:07.27 | yigal | iwkse: what apps? open office is like that and its cross platform |
| 01:07.29 | robin_sz | Heston, dont be silly |
| 01:07.50 | Heston | robin_sz, first hand experience doesnt lie |
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| 01:07.57 | mastroDani | yigal, i'm reporting it |
| 01:07.59 | iwkse | yigal: let's say for example amarok |
| 01:08.05 | iwkse | or konqueror.. |
| 01:08.14 | iwkse | or whatever |
| 01:08.18 | multi_io | alright, I kind of solved my xmms/xmms2 blocking issues by restarting xfce's mixer applet... |
| 01:08.26 | yigal | mastroDani: Good, I hope the problem is found |
| 01:08.31 | robin_sz | Heston, I dont believe you have mad comaparative tests |
| 01:08.34 | multi_io | now, how do I add .m3u files to xmms2? |
| 01:08.37 | robin_sz | made |
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| 01:09.05 | Heston | robin_sz, no, but startup time and app loadup times were recorded and compared |
| 01:09.15 | Zarephath | Hi...I just installed debian 4.0 ppc net install...I am stuck on how to install xorg and a window manager...I tried dselect, but didn't see an option for installing packages not already installed...can someone point me in the right direction please? |
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| 01:09.24 | yigal | iwkse: amarok is a quality program, it is used by a lot of people who use gnome. I personally use xmms2 and mpd's CL mpc for my music needs but amarok is less system hungry than rhythmbox |
| 01:09.25 | multi_io | xmms addpls thefile.m3u says "Added playlist file://../thefile.m3u" but adds zero files |
| 01:09.34 | robin_sz | Heston, what was the other OS? |
| 01:09.41 | iwkse | ah? |
| 01:09.48 | Heston | robin_sz, all three bsd's |
| 01:09.50 | noiesmo | thanks abrotman |
| 01:09.56 | yigal | multi_io: you mean xmms2 addpls thefile.m3u ? |
| 01:09.58 | multi_io | umm s/xmms/xmms2/ |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:10.15 | robin_sz | Heston, and you loaded them, and debian onto the same machine? |
| 01:10.21 | donsson | where is myimagemagick? after installing it, i can't find it in the kde menu, i can't start it fr the CLI. |
| 01:10.23 | Heston | robin_sz, yes? |
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| 01:10.28 | iwkse | to run amarok i need around 15min, with rhythmbox i can be ok in 2 or 3 min |
| 01:10.40 | donsson | my imagemagick |
| 01:10.49 | mastroDani | but report sent |
| 01:10.50 | Heston | robin_sz, if i hadnt what the hell kind of test would that of been |
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| 01:11.04 | yigal | iwkse: and rhythmbox will brake after another 3 minutes |
| 01:11.09 | robin_sz | Heston, and then installed Gnome and KDE and tried both and recorded the results? |
| 01:11.17 | iwkse | yigal: never brake here |
| 01:11.24 | yigal | mastroDani: its good that you took the time |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | donsson: dpkg -L <pkg> .. see what it put on your box |
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| 01:11.43 | Heston | robin_sz, i didnt record them on paper or graph to distribute but i measure the times like i said |
| 01:11.44 | iwkse | yigal: anyway i use xfce and gtk+ |
| 01:11.49 | mikes1 | I I just update etch ,It should be the same as debian 4.0? |
| 01:11.53 | yigal | iwkse: I have 1.8 P4 256 mem and it breaks all the time, I use dwm |
| 01:11.57 | iwkse | that i find quite better that qt |
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| 01:12.11 | donsson | abrotman: done that, and i get "ii imagemagick 6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14 Image manipulation programs" |
| 01:12.15 | mastroDani | yigal, i hope someone will take care of it |
| 01:12.18 | Heston | robin_sz, and whether you dont believe me or not based on that fact really doesnt make a damn difference to me |
| 01:12.29 | robin_sz | Heston, but you did write them down soemwhere, thats 8 sets of figures for each application, you can;t kee that inyour head can you? |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | donsson: -L .. not -l |
| 01:13.07 | militant | guys |
| 01:13.09 | donsson | abrotman: k |
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| 01:13.32 | militant | i'm using the netinstall disk for etch. and i'ts not asking me about desktop environments or anything. |
| 01:13.36 | mikes1 | Do I need to change edit etch repos? |
| 01:13.50 | Heston | robin_sz, it wasnt difficult to remember when everything was installed in a short period of time, it was also extremely noticable with normal use |
| 01:14.00 | militant | so i'm getting no x. |
| 01:14.05 | yigal | mastroDani: up to a point it is not your problem. You took the time and it is not your expertise. You need someone who knows GNOME who knows X they will fix it very quickly |
| 01:14.08 | robin_sz | Heston, ok, so what figures did you get? |
| 01:14.11 | militant | what's involved in setting up x and gnome? |
| 01:14.33 | yigal | iwkse: xfce is good |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 01:14.35 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 01:14.52 | scenestar | can someone help me here |
| 01:14.58 | Heston | robin_sz, i didnt write them down like i said but DE startup times differed about 10-15 seconds, app load up times about 5-10 seconds |
| 01:15.03 | mastroDani | i hope so |
| 01:15.09 | mastroDani | thanks for the support everybody |
| 01:15.21 | mastroDani | now i go to bed, its 3.14 a.m here |
| 01:15.26 | militant | and why the heck is the net install cd setting my repos to sarge |
| 01:15.26 | scenestar | how do i explain that debian stable allthough it's packages are a bit old it still has support for all modern hardware just like any other distro? |
| 01:15.28 | militant | this is lame. |
| 01:15.31 | donsson | abrotman: there is '/usr/share/menu/imagemagick', does this mean there should be an item for it in kde menu? |
| 01:15.36 | robin_sz | Heston, which app? |
| 01:15.39 | Zarephath | To be more specific apt-get install kde comes back with broken packages...what is another method to install? This is 4.0 PPC |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | donsson: maybe just under the Debian menu |
| 01:15.46 | Heston | robin_sz, didnt matter |
| 01:16.01 | donsson | abrotman: tried searching there, not found. |
| 01:16.15 | Heston | robin_sz, but i can now tell you're just being a pest |
| 01:16.15 | markybob | scenestar: hardware support has to do with kernel version, nothing else. etch has kernel 2.6.18, which is pretty recent |
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| 01:16.41 | scenestar | markybob yeah i know, but how do i explain that to some bonehead admin who wants to switch to ubuntu |
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| 01:16.49 | scenestar | cause i fucking HATE ubuntu |
| 01:16.51 | markybob | scenestar: i just told you how |
| 01:16.53 | rahul | scenestar: you fire him |
| 01:16.57 | robin_sz | Heston, no, I'm just trying to decide if your results are credible. see if it was a real test or you are just making it up ... |
| 01:17.08 | scenestar | rahul i wish i was in that position |
| 01:17.26 | rahul | scenestar: well, then it doesn't matter what's on the server. it's his problem when shit fucks up. |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | donsson: and there's nothing in your path ? |
| 01:17.29 | amphi | scenestar: etch is 'a bit old'??? |
| 01:17.34 | Heston | robin_sz, i have nothing to gain by making such a thing up, if you dont believe me and are serious about it yourself, do some god damn testing |
| 01:17.42 | militant | wtf. this is screwy. etch is fucked up somehow. |
| 01:17.51 | scenestar | amphi no, but he's bitching about debian's "slow" release cycle |
| 01:18.01 | scenestar | whICH I LIKE FOR MY SERVERS KTHNX |
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| 01:18.25 | amphi | scenestar: heh - what specific problem does he have? |
| 01:18.26 | IRCMonkey | i'm new to chatzilla on firefox and i'd like to know a little about damnSmallLinux-not, do you know any about it? |
| 01:18.29 | donsson | abrotman: oh yeah, there are various programs. imagemagick is a suite of programs. will have to start each individually. |
| 01:18.37 | scenestar | amphi he's just ignorants |
| 01:18.41 | scenestar | that's his problem |
| 01:18.41 | IRCMonkey | ...where they chat about it? |
| 01:18.47 | abrotman | donsson: eh .. ok |
| 01:18.59 | robin_sz | Heston, as far as I know KDE is always slower at everything than gnome becuase its bloated. It always has been on every OS ive tried it on, I see nothing to change my mind |
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| 01:19.18 | donsson | abrotman: but is that the only way, i would expect a gui. |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | donsson: ah .. no |
| 01:19.27 | Heston | robin_sz, likely because you've used a system fast enough to hide their differences |
| 01:19.28 | CaT[tm] | slow release cycles aren't a problem. I have serious doubts that most ppl whinging about slow release cycles actually need anything faster. |
| 01:19.36 | misfitx7 | are there any limits with 64bit debian, any reaso i should stick with 32 bit? |
| 01:19.50 | scenestar | CaT[tm] i got my name in a debian copyright file |
| 01:19.50 | robin_sz | Heston, no, i see differences ... KDE is always slower |
| 01:19.51 | scenestar | in sid |
| 01:19.57 | scenestar | i LIKE the slow release cycle |
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| 01:20.12 | scenestar | because i allways know what most systems will be working with |
| 01:20.14 | Heston | robin_sz, then you obviously havent run kde/gnome on bsd |
| 01:20.31 | scenestar | plus its basicly set and forget for servers |
| 01:20.33 | robin_sz | Heston, correct, like why would I? |
| 01:20.36 | rahul | misfitx7: ability to run 32-bit precompiled binaries easily |
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| 01:20.46 | Heston | robin_sz, because you're trying to make a fucking arguement? |
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| 01:20.59 | amphi | scenestar: that other distro seems to suffer quality-wise from it's rapidish and fixed release cycle |
| 01:21.08 | diskus | well kde can be faster than gnome, but probably not out of the box |
| 01:21.10 | CaT[tm] | scene: yup. my upgrade time for going from sarge to etch is around 6months, minimum. you can imagine how well that'd gel with say... fedora. :) |
| 01:21.23 | scenestar | amphi yeah, but in the dutch "hosting microverse" this dipshit is considered a Unix guru |
| 01:21.32 | scenestar | so i cant start a flamewar |
| 01:21.41 | rahul | my client uses FC3 everywhere... |
| 01:22.00 | robin_sz | Heston, well, I'm not the one coming on here making "gnome is slower than KDE everywhere except Debain" claims ... either produce evidence or shut up |
| 01:22.03 | militant | uh |
| 01:22.07 | rahul | why would a unix guru need a crutch like ubuntu? |
| 01:22.08 | markybob | yeah?! well, i use...bsdi 3! ha! beat that! |
| 01:22.12 | militant | why is apt-get asking me for the netinst cd?? |
| 01:22.15 | pipeline | rahul: crutch? more like sandtrap. |
| 01:22.20 | scenestar | rahul because dutch people FAIL at innovation |
| 01:22.22 | CaT[tm] | rahul: that's interesting considering it's effectively a devel version of rhe. |
| 01:22.26 | amphi | scenestar: of course you can ;) |
| 01:22.30 | Heston | robin_sz, the evidence is there, go fucking try it yourself or stfu |
| 01:22.31 | Fudge^2 | militant, 'cause you didn't edit your apt/sources.list |
| 01:22.31 | rahul | pipeline: well, it's a crutch at first... then a sandtrap once you really start using it |
| 01:22.34 | scenestar | they all think windows is a serious computing platform |
| 01:22.39 | robin_sz | Heston, where? |
| 01:22.40 | militant | Fudge^2, actually i did |
| 01:22.41 | rahul | CaT[tm]: well, I guess we deploy on RHEL |
| 01:23.06 | Fudge^2 | militant, did'ya remove the netinst CD references? ;P |
| 01:23.11 | scenestar | CaT[tm] i remember upgrading an old neglected redhat server |
| 01:23.11 | CaT[tm] | unix gurus should start with the source code for init and work their way up from there :) |
| 01:23.38 | militant | Fudge^2, yep. and i dunno why the netinst cd didn't ask the usual 'hey is this a desktop or server or what' so i have nothing but the very base install. |
| 01:23.39 | diskus | CaT[tm]: at least once |
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| 01:23.48 | robin_sz | Heston, and before you ask ... "I tried it but didn;t write the figure down and cant rmember what application I tried it with" doesnt count as evidence either |
| 01:23.50 | yigal | CAT[tm]: can that even be done the init from scratch? |
| 01:24.00 | CaT[tm] | yigal: been there done that :) |
| 01:24.04 | diskus | Linux is not Unix :P |
| 01:24.26 | scenestar | yigal you can put debian together from scractch |
| 01:24.41 | pipeline | CaT[tm]: That's not as hard as you would think. It's really pretty easy. It's just a pain in the ass. |
| 01:24.42 | scenestar | all you need is the source code and a manual and it's just as easy and fun as legos |
| 01:24.45 | Heston | robin_sz, i already told you, the application used did not matter, the difference in load up times remained, and i already gave you averages so please, do you yourself a favour and go idle |
| 01:25.04 | CaT[tm] | scenestar: yeah. I'm doing that with mandrake. my way of doing it is to request a new server, put debian on it and port the services across. backup old. wipe. put debian on it and port services from another old mandrake server to it. rinse, cycle and repeat :) |
| 01:25.26 | CaT[tm] | pipeline: yeah. I had a mini install/uninstall management system going. it sucked arse but it worked. |
| 01:25.29 | robin_sz | sigh .. <PLONK> |
| 01:25.32 | scenestar | CaT[tm] one of my friends bootstrapped LFS from cygwin |
| 01:25.35 | scenestar | that was INSANE |
| 01:25.41 | scenestar | then again he was also high on drugs |
| 01:25.47 | robin_sz | heh |
| 01:26.05 | CaT[tm] | scene: funfunfun :) |
| 01:26.08 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.10 | robin_sz | so, a couple of things failed to dist-upgrade ... but not much |
| 01:26.12 | Guerin | Heston: did you get etch installed on your nvidia box? |
| 01:26.16 | scenestar | yigal erhm |
| 01:26.24 | militant | so if i install the xorg nv server, i can then later on just add the better nvidia driver? |
| 01:26.26 | scenestar | you know the ins and outs of the system you run? |
| 01:26.31 | scenestar | which makes you a better admin? |
| 01:26.34 | Guerin | militant: if you want, yeah. |
| 01:26.39 | Heston | Guerin, seeing as im chatting on it atm, ill let you take a guess |
| 01:26.49 | Guerin | Heston: how? |
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| 01:27.08 | militant | Guerin, 'if i want' ... yeah, i kinda like hardware acceleration, it's pretty nifty. |
| 01:27.11 | Heston | Guerin, no i mean ive been on windows since ive got here |
| 01:27.20 | scenestar | same here |
| 01:27.20 | Guerin | Heston: you have my condolences |
| 01:27.25 | scenestar | i got 3 termninal windows open though |
| 01:27.47 | Heston | Guerin, i believe it will be simple, throw the forcedeth module on the installer iso and load it up... |
| 01:28.03 | Guerin | Heston: did you ask dpkg about custom d-i? |
| 01:28.13 | Heston | Guerin, no, and i dont plan to |
| 01:28.14 | robin_sz | the only module that seems to have had upgrade issues for me is 'backuppc' |
| 01:28.45 | Heston | Guerin, this doesnt require a lot of work |
| 01:30.06 | Heston | Guerin, you dont need to change anything, you throw the module in the directory with the rest of them, modprobe it and presto, ethernet works.. |
| 01:30.26 | Guerin | Heston: if it's the same kernel, sure |
| 01:31.39 | davi | How to merge two bugs?. ITP #292907 and RFP #418329 |
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| 01:32.27 | yigal | wow the server is really being hit 14kb/s |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org tells you how |
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| 01:32.54 | Heston | i just realised im using rc2 when i could be using the official release./. |
| 01:33.06 | davi | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:33.49 | robin_sz | oh, and some shonky PHP GD image thing seems not to have played ball ... |
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| 01:35.16 | Ronin` | shit, feck somabiatch :) |
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| 01:36.55 | abrotman | Ronin`: have you been drinking agian? |
| 01:37.29 | Ronin` | abrotman: for the last 30 days? everyday to be honest |
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| 01:37.58 | abrotman | Ronin`: did you break nvidia ? |
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| 01:39.49 | yigal | ftp.us.debian.org 0kb/s |
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| 01:40.09 | markybob | dear lord there are mirrors for a reason people |
| 01:40.12 | markybob | use them |
| 01:40.35 | Ronin` | heh |
| 01:40.36 | yigal | just funny |
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| 01:40.56 | nu11 | hi all |
| 01:41.06 | xjkx | i want debian to mount my ufs2 partition :/ |
| 01:41.12 | yigal | what nul1: is it meet and great day or something? |
| 01:41.20 | nu11 | anyone installed beryl on their sid? |
| 01:41.38 | yigal | nul1: why not use Ubuntu if you 1 wants to do that? |
| 01:41.41 | markybob | null there is *no* good reason to install beryl, considering they're mergin back into compiz. install compiz |
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| 01:42.20 | nu11 | compiz? |
| 01:42.36 | markybob | null what beryl forked from and is now merging back into |
| 01:42.39 | markybob | null http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 01:42.44 | nu11 | oic |
| 01:42.45 | Ronin` | thank god for beer and swearing :) |
| 01:42.49 | Ronin` | abrotman: nope |
| 01:42.55 | coolzone | Hi all! This question might by obviuos, but I have been googling but I just can't seem to find the answer. How do I add a new disk to an existing debian installation? |
| 01:43.03 | magyar | hi, i need to delete a tousand bounce messages from my inbox with mutt. is there a find/delete option? |
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| 01:43.28 | maher | coolzone: internal / external? |
| 01:43.34 | markybob | coolzone: you open your box and hook up the cables. done. yay |
| 01:43.39 | Guerin | magyar: yes. |
| 01:43.42 | yigal | coolzone: apt-cdrom add |
| 01:43.51 | yigal | sorry I gave it away |
| 01:43.52 | magyar | Guerin: do tell plz |
| 01:43.57 | Guerin | magyar: T |
| 01:44.18 | magyar | thank you |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | Ronin`: so why doesn't X work ? |
| 01:44.38 | Ronin` | abrotman: working on it, |
| 01:44.43 | coolzone | markybob, so youre the funny guy around |
| 01:45.10 | yigal | does anyone use nmh for mail? |
| 01:45.11 | markybob | coolzone: i'm the guy who has a brain. try asking better questions or actually thinking about what it is you want to do |
| 01:45.40 | krazykit | coolzone, actually, he's right. that's pretty much it, except formatting and mounting. |
| 01:45.44 | abrotman | Ronin`: you don't have a log ? |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | please don't show me a picture of your toilet |
| 01:45.57 | rahul | haha |
| 01:46.00 | Ronin` | heh abrotman |
| 01:46.26 | yigal | when coolzone said disk I assumed it to be a cd or dvd |
| 01:46.27 | yigal | ? |
| 01:46.28 | coolzone | normally I work with openbsd, in which you have to create a new filesystem when adding a disk, not just formatting, so I exspected something similar |
| 01:46.42 | yigal | oh, a new hd |
| 01:46.44 | Guerin | yigal: why would you assume that? |
| 01:46.59 | yigal | because adding a disk is like plugging it in and mounting it Guerin |
| 01:47.02 | pipeline | coolzone: what the heck do you think "formatting" is? |
| 01:47.03 | Guerin | coolzone: well, formatting IS creating a new filesyste, |
| 01:47.07 | krazykit | coolzone, creatign a new filesystem, formatting, essentially the same thing. chances are, it's fat32 right now |
| 01:47.08 | rahul | coolzone: it's identical |
| 01:47.19 | rahul | coolzone: fdisk, mkfs. |
| 01:47.22 | coolzone | no formatting and creating are two different things on openbsd |
| 01:47.26 | Guerin | coolzone: you might be thinking of partitions, which in bsd land is `slices' |
| 01:47.30 | phaedral | just took a look at man apt-get and didn't see this; is there an option to apt-get that effectively says, "get what I asked for and whatever comes up as suggested/recommended"? |
| 01:47.32 | rahul | coolzone: I use cfdisk, myself, actually |
| 01:47.53 | yigal | coolzone: just use fdisk, cfdisk, or gparted if you lame |
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| 01:48.04 | phaedral | I'm installing xserver-xorg-video-vesa and think I want all the packages coming up both under suggested and recommended |
| 01:48.04 | rahul | coolzone: a partition/slice is not a new filesystem. it's a section of disk space. |
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| 01:48.25 | rahul | coolzone: mkfs makes a filesystem, if you look at the name |
| 01:48.31 | coolzone | I know all that :-) dudes how many of you have ever installed a new disk on openbsd? |
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| 01:48.40 | abrotman | coolzone: #openbsd ? |
| 01:48.40 | yigal | I have |
| 01:48.45 | Ronin` | im sure #openbsd had |
| 01:48.47 | Ronin` | has |
| 01:48.50 | coolzone | rahul, thanks! Thats the answer I was looking for.. |
| 01:48.50 | maher | coolzone: i've only ever done it under freebsd... |
| 01:48.58 | Guerin | coolzone: i have. The point is that it's not mnuch different, you just use different tools. |
| 01:49.14 | rahul | coolzone: isn't it the same in openbsd? |
| 01:49.16 | coolzone | Guerin, and I just needed to know what tools :-) |
| 01:49.19 | yigal | openbsd is nice, they are more lazy than any other distro :) |
| 01:49.25 | Ronin` | wow openbsd isnt even a fork of debian, are you that lost coolzone |
| 01:49.37 | Guerin | obsd is ok, ONCE you wrangle it into line |
| 01:49.39 | yigal | he's drunk |
| 01:49.43 | zinx | does openbsd have beryl ????? |
| 01:49.51 | Guerin | but out of the box it's just too conservative to be useful for much |
| 01:49.53 | yigal | once you realize that being a year behind is fine |
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| 01:50.33 | krazykit | zinx, it'll compile on bsd just fine, probably. but you'd be better off asking them. |
| 01:50.42 | krazykit | since it's offtopic here. |
| 01:50.45 | zinx | krazykit: i was joking :/ |
| 01:50.45 | rahul | !penixstrike krazykit |
| 01:50.45 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking krazykit to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 01:50.50 | yigal | obsd is more stable than etch? |
| 01:50.52 | magyar | Guerin: it is easier with "D" to delete matching pattern |
| 01:50.52 | krazykit | noes :-( |
| 01:50.58 | crn | when upgrading from sarge to etch does the xserver have to be killed? |
| 01:51.04 | rahul | yeses :-) |
| 01:51.14 | yigal | crn: if you do it in steps no |
| 01:51.16 | Guerin | magyar: true, i tend to tag things then do whatever with them all |
| 01:51.29 | crn | yigal, thanks |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | crn: not at all |
| 01:51.41 | markybob | haha :) |
| 01:51.44 | magyar | Guerin: how do i delete tagged? |
| 01:51.46 | crn | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:51.55 | Guerin | magyar: ;d, from memory |
| 01:52.01 | Guerin | s/,// |
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| 01:52.10 | rahul | where the fuck is stoned? |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | crn: but the dist-upgrade does upgrade libc6 and the kernel .. so you shouldn't go too long without rebooting |
| 01:52.17 | Guerin | rahul: county |
| 01:52.19 | yigal | Guerin thats detail |
| 01:52.21 | rahul | county? |
| 01:52.21 | magyar | getting stonned |
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| 01:52.27 | Guerin | rahul: jail |
| 01:52.29 | yigal | s/,// |
| 01:52.30 | abrotman | rahul: doing nothing useful ? |
| 01:52.32 | rahul | he's not supposed to get stoned without me |
| 01:52.36 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:52.57 | rahul | abrotman: huh? he's not on irc? /me boggles |
| 01:53.14 | Guerin | did he move house yet? |
| 01:53.16 | rahul | I mean he's not on irc, how could be doing nothing useful |
| 01:53.19 | crn | abrotman, O.K. |
| 01:53.26 | rahul | Guerin: he's been in NYC so far |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | rahul: he moved .. remmeber? |
| 01:53.32 | rahul | dunno where he is now |
| 01:53.33 | Guerin | perhaps his fiance came back from Pakistan and is feeding him up on balti |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | rahul: email him |
| 01:53.40 | rahul | Guerin: haha |
| 01:53.56 | rahul | abrotman: I don't have his regular email, just myspace, heh |
| 01:54.00 | rahul | hrm that gives me an idea |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | rahul: he has filed bugs for debian .. it's in there |
| 01:54.20 | Guerin | man, this backup is taking stupid long |
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| 01:55.31 | rahul | abrotman: bleh, how would I know which ones he's filed? |
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| 01:55.46 | abrotman | rahul: the ones that don't make sense ? |
| 01:55.54 | rahul | haha |
| 01:56.55 | rahul | he hasn't logged into myspace since apr 3, when he sent me a message that he was in qns |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | wtf was that stupid nick he used ? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | booger? |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | bonghitter? |
| 01:57.58 | rahul | dudeman? |
| 01:58.01 | rahul | Nyle? |
| 01:58.09 | rahul | booger, heh |
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| 01:58.52 | Guerin | Nyle is his brother |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | bah. .. merkel is down |
| 02:00.27 | magyar | i am using postfix with etch, /var/log contains two identical log files main.info and mail.log. How can i get rid of one of them? |
| 02:00.50 | Guerin | magyar: rm main.info |
| 02:00.59 | magyar | it will recreate\ |
| 02:01.27 | rahul | magyar: configure your syslog how you want it |
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| 02:02.05 | Pupeno- | Hello. |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | Pupeno-: better? |
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| 02:02.23 | abrotman | Pupeno-: someone else came in the interim with the same problem |
| 02:02.33 | Pupeno- | abrotman: yes! had to try twice but that because of my own mistakes. |
| 02:02.40 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I am using ftp.ch.debian.org |
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| 02:03.40 | abrotman | for now ? |
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| 02:03.58 | magyar | rahul: what is the catch with mail.* > mail.log and mail.info ,mail.err and mail.warn to individual files? |
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| 02:04.26 | rahul | magyar: your mailer only logs at info level? |
| 02:04.34 | magyar | rahul: the three last ones should cover all |
| 02:04.38 | rahul | or you've never had anything bad happen in your mailer |
| 02:04.40 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I am moving to Ireland anyway and the pipe from Argentina to Switzerland is pretty wide. |
| 02:04.41 | rahul | magyar: nope. |
| 02:04.50 | rahul | magyar: man syslog.conf |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | Pupeno-: you're working for google! |
| 02:05.12 | Pupeno- | abrotman: hehehe, not yet, I will be starting soon, how did you guess? |
| 02:05.30 | magyar | rahul: is there any other traps beside "warn" "info" and "err" ? |
| 02:05.39 | rahul | magyar: man syslog.conf |
| 02:05.40 | abrotman | Pupeno-: why else would you move to ireland ? |
| 02:05.45 | magyar | ok |
| 02:05.47 | Pupeno- | Is there some set of packages smaller than "kde" to get a kde up and running? |
| 02:05.50 | magyar | if you insist |
| 02:05.59 | rahul | magyar: er, actually, yeah, read that man page, it's more complex than I was thinking |
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| 02:06.01 | abrotman | Pupeno-: you're leaving the great land of .ar .. for .ie .. who would do that for a crap job :) |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:06.07 | dpkg | it has been said that install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:06.11 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I don't know. |
| 02:06.15 | magyar | rahul: np, thanks |
| 02:06.22 | rahul | magyar: I forgot there's a separate facility=level syntax |
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| 02:06.36 | abrotman | Pupeno-: have you talked to people about living there? i know we have one resident dork in #debian that lives there |
| 02:06.48 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I don't know to the first question. I wouldn't hesitate to leave .ar... I don't really like here. |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | do you live in the south ? |
| 02:07.10 | Pupeno- | abrotman: not yet, I was about to start gathering information about than in these days. |
| 02:07.16 | Pupeno- | abrotman: no, in Buenos Aires. |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | horrible place! |
| 02:07.48 | Pupeno- | abrotman: indeed! |
| 02:08.19 | Pupeno- | abrotman: I understand the situation would be much better environment-wise if I lived in the south... but job-wise it would be much worst (at least for me). |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | i'm sure it would |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | rahul: did you find it ? |
| 02:08.50 | rahul | no... |
| 02:09.26 | Pupeno- | abrotman: where are you by the way? |
| 02:09.27 | rahul | I see no bugs on hydrogen |
| 02:09.31 | abrotman | Pupeno-: philly! |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | ish |
| 02:09.44 | rahul | hrm, wait |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | wait ? |
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| 02:09.54 | abrotman | it was on a KDE app i think |
| 02:10.05 | TumithAcid | hello everyone good evening |
| 02:10.15 | rahul | don't see any that were by him |
| 02:10.21 | Pupeno- | abrotman: thank you for the recomendation on irssi, it looks much nicer than ircii. |
| 02:10.21 | rahul | or by a name that would be his |
| 02:10.28 | rahul | oh boy |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | Pupeno-: WAY better |
| 02:10.34 | rahul | abrotman: THAT will REALLY narrow it down |
| 02:10.39 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 02:10.40 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | rahul: maybe one of the libraries :) |
| 02:11.02 | rahul | arse |
| 02:11.20 | TumithAcid | ive got a crazy idea to make my debian sarge box automatically backup and compress any usb jump drive that is plugged in |
| 02:11.37 | TumithAcid | i can write the script but any ideas on how to triggor it as soon as a usb drive is attached? |
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| 02:14.23 | TumithAcid | am i making sense? |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | udev rules |
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| 02:15.13 | drv | udev with blacklist rules (/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist) |
| 02:15.56 | rahul | debian/rules |
| 02:16.11 | TumithAcid | debian does indeed rule |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | rahul: i'm good :) |
| 02:17.34 | rahul | good? |
| 02:17.42 | TumithAcid | did you tell me i could use udev to run a script when a usb device is plugged in? |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | rahul: give me a kiss first! |
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| 02:18.18 | abrotman | KISS FIRST! |
| 02:18.36 | nihraguk | heh heh |
| 02:18.48 | rahul | !kiss abrotman |
| 02:18.51 | drv | tip: if you have a nokia N60/samsung sgh-e900 or any usb-storage-usb-net compatible mobile phone, and it is crashing your kernel (between 2.6.11...2.6.19), it's probaly crashing because of rndis_host module, so blacklist it under /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist . I had this issue today :) |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | rahul: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409472 |
| 02:19.19 | rahul | heh |
| 02:19.22 | rahul | I should have known |
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| 02:19.41 | abrotman | rahul: i'm a good detective :) |
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| 02:19.53 | rahul | that's his myspace nickname |
| 02:20.01 | drv | rndis_host appears to be fixed only in kernel 2.6.20. |
| 02:20.04 | rahul | well, without the @host |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | but it has an email address! |
| 02:20.23 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:20.42 | rahul | but the username is the same as his myspace nickname, and I should have extrapolated from there |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | but you're stoned |
| 02:21.27 | drv | By blacklisting rndis_host, it will prevent udev from loading it when you connect your mobile on USB |
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| 02:21.47 | triplc | (ah ETCH is released so happy) |
| 02:21.53 | rahul | abrotman: no, it was weak stuff |
| 02:22.03 | rahul | and it was like 8 hours ago |
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| 02:22.24 | abrotman | ah |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | there he his! |
| 02:22.37 | sixtymhz | yes, here I am |
| 02:22.56 | GhostlyDeath | What ttf- packages are automatically installed in debian? |
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| 02:23.14 | rahul | abrotman: what? who? where? |
| 02:23.15 | sixtymhz | Got a quick question... out of the CD isod, what numbers do I need?? (no way I want to download 20 cds) Which one is the installs? |
| 02:23.15 | mikes1 | 4.0 a giant step in the right direction |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | sixtymhz: you ahve broadband ? |
| 02:23.25 | Pupeno- | mikes1: in what way? |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | sixtymhz: just use the netinst if you do |
| 02:23.48 | sixtymhz | abrotman: Yeah I am looking to do that, but as general knowledge, I wanted to know which CDs. |
| 02:23.57 | mikes1 | Pupeno-: kernel,kde 3.5 etc |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | sixtymhz: i haven't used anyhting other than the netinst in about ... 5 years ? |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | oh .. except floppies for the alphas |
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| 02:24.55 | mikes1 | abrotman: the way to go on braudband |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | yes! |
| 02:25.20 | sixtymhz | abrotman: I can see that. Buts its a shame there is no wlan support. |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | actually .. before netinst .. i used floppies with i386 anyways :) |
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| 02:25.30 | mikes1 | gnome 2.14 is going well also |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | !tell Gwildor_ about away |
| 02:25.41 | Gwildor_ | my bad |
| 02:25.45 | Gwildor_ | i normally leave here |
| 02:25.47 | Gwildor_ | sorry |
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| 02:27.00 | Pupeno- | !x |
| 02:27.09 | Pupeno- | !tell Pupeno- about X |
| 02:27.10 | mikes1 | iceweasel/mplayer/flash all going well |
| 02:27.50 | GhostlyDeath | What font packages come preinstalled with Debian? |
| 02:27.50 | mikes1 | FrostWire rock'n |
| 02:28.33 | mikes1 | I use bitstream vera sans |
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| 02:36.03 | Pupeno- | I haven't installed Debian in a desktop in years... what's the common way of configuring X these days? |
| 02:36.17 | pipeline | Pupeno-: install it, wait? |
| 02:36.34 | Tropican8 | what is this install you speak of? |
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| 02:36.56 | Pupeno- | pipeline: I've already install kdebase, I supouse it installed X as a dependency, yet, startx fails. Am I missing anything? |
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| 02:38.40 | abrotman | Pupeno-: it didn't ... |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | Pupeno-: x-window-system-core |
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| 02:39.04 | militant | hmmm alsa and alsa-utils are installed. vlc is screwing up an avi's audio, so is totem. ideas? |
| 02:39.04 | DawnLight | whats the command in ftp to reread the contents of the server? |
| 02:39.17 | pipeline | Pupeno-: err, hell no it's not going to install X as a dependency |
| 02:39.32 | Pupeno- | oh, ok. Thanks. |
| 02:39.37 | GhostlyDeath | 403 Updates (669M) from switching from etch to testing! |
| 02:40.09 | DawnLight | isn't etch testing? |
| 02:40.12 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 02:40.14 | GhostlyDeath | etch is stable |
| 02:40.19 | markybob | DawnLight: /topic |
| 02:40.30 | DawnLight | hey wow |
| 02:40.31 | jetscreamer | not anymore muhahahaha |
| 02:40.32 | hackmiker | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 583 not upgraded. <-- what does this mean? i ran apt-get upgrade (or update? well both) |
| 02:40.33 | DawnLight | nice |
| 02:40.45 | jetscreamer | hackmiker: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:40.53 | hackmiker | ok |
| 02:40.54 | hackmiker | thx |
| 02:41.14 | DawnLight | so if my sources.list remains etch i won't get much updates? |
| 02:41.21 | Pupeno- | not even kdm depends on X? |
| 02:41.28 | warjets | Is the bug tracker for listbugs down that much recently or do i have a configuration error ? |
| 02:41.32 | pipeline | Pupeno-: No, no it does not. |
| 02:41.41 | pipeline | Pupeno-: Shouldn't this be obvious? |
| 02:41.50 | GhostlyDeath | for sdl-mixer 1.2.6-2 have the amd64 timidity/MIDI fix? |
| 02:41.54 | DawnLight | whats the command in ftp to reread the contents of the server? does anyone know? |
| 02:41.54 | GhostlyDeath | does* |
| 02:42.17 | Wyzard | DawnLight: "dir" |
| 02:42.28 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:42.28 | Wyzard | or even "ls", I believe |
| 02:42.49 | hackmiker | what is /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 02:42.57 | hackmiker | it says there isn't enough space |
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| 02:43.02 | Wyzard | That's where apt downloads .deb files to |
| 02:43.06 | abrotman | hackeron: apt-get clean |
| 02:43.08 | Wyzard | when installing packages |
| 02:43.13 | hackmiker | Wyzard, can i clean it? |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | wait ..what are you trying to do? |
| 02:43.23 | hackmiker | Wyzard, it's just temporary, right? |
| 02:43.24 | Wyzard | upgrade, probably |
| 02:43.31 | hackmiker | yes, dist-upgrade |
| 02:43.43 | Wyzard | hackeron: "apt-get clean" is the preferred way to clean it, as abrotman said |
| 02:43.48 | hackmiker | ok |
| 02:43.50 | hackmiker | thx |
| 02:43.55 | Wyzard | hackeron: You can also just delete all the .deb files manually |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | if it's dist-upgrade .. you might have problems |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | try the clean first .. then the dist-upgrade agian |
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| 02:44.14 | hackmiker | yay it works |
| 02:44.18 | hackmiker | now downloading stuff :) |
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| 02:44.49 | jetscreamer | !tell abrotman that dselect cleans it out itself |
| 02:44.54 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 02:45.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you can make apt-get and aptitude do it too |
| 02:45.21 | hackmiker | hm? |
| 02:45.34 | dob1 | how can i resolve this for etch dist-upgrade http://channels.debian.net/paste/5997 ? |
| 02:45.34 | jetscreamer | no hackmiker don't use dselect :) |
| 02:45.41 | hackmiker | :) |
| 02:46.16 | markybob | dob1: dpkg --purge hotplug ? |
| 02:46.17 | GhostlyDeath | synaptics being updated for the new testing? |
| 02:46.38 | Wyzard | dob1: From woody to sarge, the release notes said to use aptitude because it did a better job of handling dependencies... I haven't read the etch release notes, but that's probably still true |
| 02:46.46 | hackmiker | i'm running apt-get dist-upgrade. it's downloading packages now. hope it works. earlier it uninstalled some stuff i actually needed, like gtk+ devel files and i think it uninstalled gnome too, which i'm using right now... :D |
| 02:46.52 | jetscreamer | dob1: after everybody tells you what to do and it doesn't work do the fix-unmet factoid |
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| 02:47.36 | abrotman | that won't work with udev! udev is shortbusspecial |
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| 02:47.56 | markybob | abrotman: no no...everybody's wrong, didnt you hear?!? |
| 02:48.04 | dob1 | ok but i was reading the release notes, i followed the instruction, why i have this problem? |
| 02:48.24 | abrotman | was your sarge up to date when you started ? |
| 02:48.32 | dob1 | abrotman: yes |
| 02:49.01 | jetscreamer | dob1: because apt-get doesn't do dependency resolution as well as aptitude, which doesn't do dependency resolution as good as dselect |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | bullshit! |
| 02:49.11 | dob1 | jetscreamer: i was using aptitude |
| 02:49.17 | markybob | dob1: fuck hotplug. you dont need it...really. remove it like i said |
| 02:49.17 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:49.19 | dan2_ | aptitude is pretty damn good |
| 02:49.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no, proven |
| 02:49.31 | dan2_ | although aptitude search blows ass |
| 02:49.56 | dob1 | ok i purge hotplug |
| 02:50.03 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i may like to talk out my ass, but have you ever known me to make shit up? |
| 02:50.05 | CaT[tm] | meh. never had a single hassle with apt-get. |
| 02:50.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:50.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes |
| 02:50.17 | jetscreamer | it happens... just not a lot |
| 02:50.18 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 02:50.20 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:51.11 | dan2_ | CaT[tm]: apt-get is fine, but it sucks in the area of removing packages like libraries that were installed as a dependency of a software package |
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| 02:51.58 | GhostlyDeath | 12 minutes until stable to testing shift.. |
| 02:52.04 | bushblows | after I put a brand new 250GB seagate HD in a working debian box, as primary HD on IDE cable 2, I boot debian, and mount and fdisk dont show the disk. |
| 02:52.30 | bushblows | how could I manually tell fdsik to open the primary HD on ide 2 |
| 02:52.43 | CaT[tm] | dan2: you mean a software package that's outside of dpkg? |
| 02:52.50 | GhostlyDeath | Is the drive SATA? |
| 02:53.00 | bushblows | nope |
| 02:53.11 | GhostlyDeath | try gparted |
| 02:53.13 | jetscreamer | did you plug it in |
| 02:53.19 | bushblows | yes |
| 02:53.29 | GhostlyDeath | for fdisk |
| 02:53.30 | markybob | bios see it? dmesg show it? |
| 02:53.30 | bushblows | GhostlyDeath, not on a GUI |
| 02:53.40 | jetscreamer | mine works... not very helpful, but it 'should' 'just work' |
| 02:53.43 | GhostlyDeath | bushblows: fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 02:53.59 | GhostlyDeath | if that does not work, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd |
| 02:53.59 | jetscreamer | it's hdc |
| 02:54.02 | jetscreamer | afaict |
| 02:54.22 | jetscreamer | primary on 2nd ribbon |
| 02:54.40 | jetscreamer | but yes, did the bios detect the disk |
| 02:55.01 | Kylixen | GhostlyDeath: 12 minutes until what? |
| 02:55.04 | jetscreamer | trying gparted won't help btw |
| 02:55.12 | GhostlyDeath | Kylixen: updates are finished |
| 02:55.20 | GhostlyDeath | Kylixen: changed all etch to testing |
| 02:55.46 | bushblows | ok I think it is hdc, thank you |
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| 02:58.50 | GhostlyDeath | What are the pipes with wheels on them in /dev/ do? |
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| 02:59.41 | Kylixen | buu I love you. |
| 02:59.54 | hackmiker | is there a command i need to run periodically to keep packages up to date or smth? 'apt-get snatch new packages' |
| 03:00.10 | bushblows | apt-get update |
| 03:00.18 | hackmiker | ok |
| 03:00.39 | Kylixen | hackmiker: do you want them upgraded or just have the newest packages available? |
| 03:00.50 | hackmiker | Kylixen, there's a difference? |
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| 03:01.27 | Kylixen | having them available isn't installing them :) |
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| 03:01.39 | hackmiker | oh well |
| 03:01.39 | militant | hmmm no one has an idea what codec pack or .deb i need for avi audio to play right? |
| 03:01.44 | spawn57 | thanks for releasing etch people =] |
| 03:01.53 | Seven_Six_Two | I don't care what anyone says. Compiz, while non-value-added is slick and fun. |
| 03:01.54 | hackmiker | having them available would just mean they'd install faster, right? |
| 03:01.56 | spawn57 | militant: w32codecs |
| 03:01.57 | hackmiker | no download |
| 03:02.28 | militant | spawn57, it's not showing. i'm assuming i need an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:02.30 | jetscreamer | hackmiker: cron-apt |
| 03:02.36 | hackmiker | hmmm.. |
| 03:02.37 | spawn57 | yeah, it's not official |
| 03:02.39 | jetscreamer | !info cron-apt |
| 03:02.45 | spawn57 | google it, and you'll find it |
| 03:02.47 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.14 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 03:02.55 | militant | doin it now |
| 03:02.56 | Seven_Six_Two | and it won't slow down my work unless it freezes my system |
| 03:02.59 | spawn57 | =D |
| 03:03.03 | spawn57 | i'm getting etch |
| 03:03.03 | jetscreamer | it just d/l's them by default, no install |
| 03:03.15 | GhostlyDeath | I'm getting loony or something |
| 03:03.17 | hackmiker | why wouldn't i install them? |
| 03:03.23 | Kylixen | spawn57: did etch just get switched to stable or something? |
| 03:03.40 | spawn57 | apparently not..apt-get didn't upgrade anythign =( |
| 03:03.49 | GhostlyDeath | lenny |
| 03:03.50 | spawn57 | dammit, i was hoping to use acls with samba today |
| 03:03.52 | jetscreamer | hackmiker: cron-apt only d/l's them by default ... you can probably tell it to install them too, not sure though |
| 03:04.01 | amphi | !topicsmite Kylixen |
| 03:04.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Kylixen. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:04.02 | hackmiker | ok |
| 03:04.09 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:04.12 | jetscreamer | not upgrade |
| 03:04.40 | hackmiker | i'm running that right now :) |
| 03:04.49 | Kylixen | hackmiker: You can, but i believe you should read up on how to use apt-get, apt-cache, and other apt utilities. There are quite a few neat things to play with. Google and "apt tutorial" |
| 03:04.54 | Kylixen | hackmiker: woah... |
| 03:04.58 | Kylixen | jetscreamer: ? |
| 03:05.12 | hackmiker | ok |
| 03:05.19 | Kylixen | amphi: Sweet! |
| 03:05.27 | amphi | ;) |
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| 03:05.39 | hackmiker | i rarely use this stuff, like when i need some devel stuff or rarely a new package |
| 03:05.43 | Kylixen | amphi: Etch is sexy. |
| 03:05.52 | GhostlyDeath | libsdl_mixer 1.2.6-2 better have working MIDI support with timidiy or I will downgrade it.. |
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| 03:06.06 | Kylixen | hackmiker: Really? that's a shame. apt is beyond neat. |
| 03:06.26 | hackmiker | define 'neat' :D |
| 03:06.30 | hackmiker | :o |
| 03:06.31 | hackmiker | nice |
| 03:06.33 | amphi | Kylixen: indeed - I've been using it for some time - good to see the release ;) |
| 03:06.37 | GhostlyDeath | My sister uses it also |
| 03:06.54 | GhostlyDeath | but when things go good and I'm the online one using it, I can get 1MB/s |
| 03:07.11 | Kylixen | amphi: definitely. It's encouraging. Management types don't like to hear "i'm using the "testing" version" |
| 03:07.18 | amphi | heh |
| 03:07.18 | hackmiker | :) |
| 03:07.26 | hackmiker | that's some v-penis you got there :D |
| 03:07.32 | Kylixen | It would be sweet if we could get metasploit on the repositories :) |
| 03:07.33 | GhostlyDeath | I'm switching from "etch" to "lenny" |
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| 03:07.43 | hackmiker | oyvey |
| 03:07.57 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: why? |
| 03:08.04 | jetscreamer | i thought it was oy vey |
| 03:08.06 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: I like testing |
| 03:08.14 | amphi | uhuh |
| 03:08.22 | GhostlyDeath | in my opinion, testing > stable |
| 03:08.29 | GhostlyDeath | more package updates |
| 03:08.31 | Kylixen | Well... yea? |
| 03:08.42 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
| 03:08.45 | militant | ok, debian-multimedia.org is giving me a pub key that's invalid? |
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| 03:08.47 | amphi | haha |
| 03:08.48 | Kylixen | real mean lfs :P |
| 03:08.49 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 03:08.54 | Kylixen | *real men lfs |
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| 03:08.59 | GhostlyDeath | real men don't use an OS |
| 03:09.14 | jetscreamer | militant: it has a key that is downloadable/installable, it will 'probably' be installed |
| 03:09.16 | Kylixen | Real mean speak in binary and shit assembly |
| 03:09.27 | jetscreamer | militant: just tell it yes go ahead for now |
| 03:09.40 | Kylixen | wtf is up with me typing "mean" instead of "men"? This is a disheartening trend. |
| 03:09.41 | Kylixen | blash. |
| 03:09.47 | militant | it's not asking for verification. it's just crapping out. but i found instructions to fix that. |
| 03:09.48 | militant | thanks man |
| 03:09.48 | Kylixen | *blast. |
| 03:09.50 | spawn57 | militant, you have to add the key for that repository to apt |
| 03:09.57 | GhostlyDeath | bash* |
| 03:10.15 | amphi | Kylixen: you've evidently been celebrating the release to excess ;) |
| 03:10.21 | jetscreamer | spawn57: it's packaged even |
| 03:10.27 | jetscreamer | apt-gettable |
| 03:10.28 | GhostlyDeath | err, Lock, log Out and Shut down dissapeared on me...... |
| 03:10.41 | jetscreamer | icewm? |
| 03:10.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:10.47 | spawn57 | =D |
| 03:10.55 | GhostlyDeath | New Login in a nested window!?!?! WHAT THE...!? |
| 03:11.01 | spawn57 | GhostlyDeath: didja start x using startx? |
| 03:11.05 | Kylixen | amphi: Crown and coke :) |
| 03:11.05 | jetscreamer | that is xnext |
| 03:11.10 | jetscreamer | err xnest |
| 03:11.12 | GhostlyDeath | spawn57: X automaticaaly starts |
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| 03:11.22 | spawn57 | guess not then |
| 03:11.30 | amphi | Kylixen: crown? as for the other, 'ugh' |
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| 03:11.40 | Kylixen | amphi: Crown Royal. |
| 03:11.43 | GhostlyDeath | "For the following changes to take effect, you must restart your computer"... why? |
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| 03:11.51 | Kylixen | GhostlyDeath: New kernel? |
| 03:11.55 | jetscreamer | GhostlyDeath: gdm gives those buttons when running gnome, kdm gives those buttons when running kde, but when they're mixed i never see those buttons |
| 03:12.01 | yanmorin | new kernel modules? |
| 03:12.01 | GhostlyDeath | Kylixen: I'm joking |
| 03:12.09 | amphi | Kylixen: no idea - some type of spiritous liquor, I assume |
| 03:12.10 | Kylixen | GhostlyDeath: oooOOooo. You are Teh funny. |
| 03:12.15 | GhostlyDeath | i know rite? |
| 03:12.17 | Kylixen | amphi: a whiskey. |
| 03:12.27 | Kylixen | amphi: i do enjoy a good whiskey,. |
| 03:12.29 | amphi | Kylixen: not a reassuring ame |
| 03:12.31 | jetscreamer | bourbon |
| 03:12.35 | amphi | *name |
| 03:12.39 | yanmorin | water |
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| 03:12.46 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: I try to not have KDE on my system |
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| 03:12.51 | amphi | oh, bourbon - I thought he said whiskey ;) |
| 03:12.51 | spawn57 | holy crap, there's a party to celebrate the release of etch in my city |
| 03:12.58 | Kylixen | spawn57: No shit? relaly? |
| 03:13.00 | GhostlyDeath | Last time I installed it everything went nuts |
| 03:13.02 | spawn57 | yeah |
| 03:13.04 | spawn57 | in Hong kong |
| 03:13.08 | jetscreamer | bourbon is whiskey |
| 03:13.13 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 03:13.15 | jetscreamer | scotch is whiskey |
| 03:13.28 | pipeline | scotch is bloody piss |
| 03:13.29 | GhostlyDeath | vodka are potatoes |
| 03:13.30 | militant | ok, w32codecs didn't fix vlc's playback of avi audio |
| 03:13.31 | Kylixen | jetscreamer: Do you enjoy whiskey? |
| 03:13.34 | pipeline | real men love the sweet, yellow bourbon |
| 03:13.39 | jetscreamer | not anymore |
| 03:13.40 | jpsamara | how wifi ipw2200 support on debian 4.0 ? |
| 03:13.42 | Kylixen | I enjoy all whiskey :) |
| 03:13.45 | GhostlyDeath | REAL MEN EAT POTATOS!!! |
| 03:13.49 | GhostlyDeath | anyway, brb |
| 03:13.53 | markybob | spawn57: what's the name of the ice tea that coca-cola sells down there? i cant remember for the life of me |
| 03:13.57 | Kylixen | jpsamara: Slamming with wpa_* |
| 03:13.57 | pipeline | jpsamara: Easily. Install module-assistant and go to town. |
| 03:14.15 | spawn57 | hi-c |
| 03:14.21 | jpsamara | pipeline: but the firmware is pre included or what? |
| 03:14.21 | jetscreamer | long island tea? :) |
| 03:14.23 | Kylixen | jesus juice |
| 03:14.27 | spawn57 | haha |
| 03:14.34 | spawn57 | jesus juice lol |
| 03:14.36 | yanmorin | NesTea? |
| 03:14.41 | jpsamara | any good applet for wifi like network manager but under XFCE ? |
| 03:14.47 | spawn57 | oh that might be it too, NesTea |
| 03:15.07 | Kylixen | jpsamara: not really. the cli isn't too terrible though |
| 03:15.14 | Kylixen | jpsamara: the ubuntu wiki has a good tutorial |
| 03:16.10 | jpsamara | Kylixen: im using edgy right now and I dont need to even download the firmware... but I assume i might have in debian |
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| 03:16.23 | markybob | spawn57: not either of those. isnt hi-c a fruity drink? |
| 03:16.34 | jpsamara | Kylixen: right? Ahh you develop on kylix btw? |
| 03:16.36 | Insolit | hi how can i compress using tar a whole folder including directories starting with "."? |
| 03:16.46 | spawn57 | markybob: more sugary than fruity |
| 03:17.02 | Kylixen | jpsamara: You just have to have your module loaded. That and have the wpa package if you use WPA with AES/TKIP. |
| 03:17.06 | GhostlyDeath | back |
| 03:17.12 | Wyzard | Insolit: tar czf /path/to/tarfile.tar.gz . |
| 03:17.30 | yanmorin | tar czvf test.tgz .[a-z0-9]* * |
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| 03:17.31 | Kylixen | jpsamara: Not realy. I had this nick before there was a kylix. I like delphi though :) |
| 03:17.31 | spawn57 | tehre's nestea, HI-C and VITA here. Was it a boxed drink? |
| 03:17.38 | Wyzard | yanmorin: It's simpler to just say "." and let it recurse |
| 03:17.41 | GhostlyDeath | HI-C is good |
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| 03:18.08 | Kylixen | Insolit: tar -czvf this_tar.gz ./.* |
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| 03:18.20 | GhostlyDeath | My terminal is yellow! |
| 03:18.23 | Wyzard | No asterisks are needed |
| 03:18.27 | Wyzard | Just "." |
| 03:18.37 | Kylixen | Wyzard: That includes the entire pwd. |
| 03:18.42 | yanmorin | I hope it doesn't do ".." ;p |
| 03:19.06 | GhostlyDeath | What's a nice GNOME Professional nice looking professional GNOME theme? |
| 03:19.09 | jetscreamer | fuck i missed bsg |
| 03:19.16 | dhuv | does anybody know if dotdeb will be supporting etch soon with packages? |
| 03:19.21 | Kylixen | Wyzard: You should definitely have to glob the hidden files. |
| 03:19.58 | Kylixen | Insolit: Just directories eh? |
| 03:20.39 | Wyzard | Kylixen: If you tell it to tar the current directory (".") it'll recursively tar everything in it, including the hidden files |
| 03:20.50 | Kylixen | find ./ -iname ".*" -type d | xargs tar -cxvf test_tar.gz |
| 03:20.51 | Insolit | thanks a lot guys |
| 03:20.56 | Kylixen | Wyzard: Right, but he wants just the directories. |
| 03:21.03 | Insolit | i want it all |
| 03:21.07 | Kylixen | OoOOoOO |
| 03:21.14 | Insolit | i want to backup it all :D |
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| 03:21.24 | Kylixen | You can definitel just do . then :) |
| 03:21.35 | Insolit | yeah i just tested it |
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| 03:21.38 | Insolit | it works :D |
| 03:22.04 | Wyzard | Kylixen: OK, tarring just directories is a separate issue |
| 03:22.20 | Kylixen | Wyzard: Indubadubly. |
| 03:22.44 | Wyzard | Kylixen: My point is just that you don't need a wildcard for "everything except the hidden files" and then a separate wildcard for "and the hidden files too" |
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| 03:23.25 | GhostlyDeath | the update is done yay |
| 03:23.42 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 03:23.49 | Kylixen | Wyzard: Eh? I just gave one that included only the hidden files. |
| 03:23.52 | GhostlyDeath | downgrading sdl becuase timidity problems.. |
| 03:24.15 | Insolit | mh is there a way to ignore "~*" files? |
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| 03:24.47 | Kylixen | Insolit: What is "~*" files? |
| 03:24.54 | Insolit | i mean temporary files |
| 03:25.16 | Kylixen | swp files? |
| 03:25.37 | concept10 | !nagios |
| 03:25.37 | dpkg | Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. |
| 03:25.51 | concept10 | !info nagios |
| 03:25.58 | Insolit | Kylixen: i meant "*~" files |
| 03:26.00 | yanmorin | like the files made by gedit I think |
| 03:26.05 | GhostlyDeath | WHAT!? They removed wine!? |
| 03:26.08 | Insolit | like temporary emacs files |
| 03:26.16 | abrotman | oh .. i hope so |
| 03:26.26 | Kylixen | >ls |
| 03:26.55 | GhostlyDeath | Now what do I do for windows emulation....? |
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| 03:27.34 | Kylixen | Insolit: find ./ | grep -v '~*' | sort | xargs tar -cxvf test_tar.gz |
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| 03:27.38 | Kylixen | Insolit: That should work |
| 03:27.39 | rahul | !penixstrike GhostlyDeath |
| 03:27.40 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking GhostlyDeath to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:27.50 | GhostlyDeath | why a large wet spot? |
| 03:28.03 | rahul | we'll tell you when you're older |
| 03:28.03 | GhostlyDeath | explain |
| 03:28.14 | Kylixen | GhostlyDeath: When a man and woman love each other... |
| 03:28.15 | GhostlyDeath | Tell me now |
| 03:28.21 | GhostlyDeath | They have kids |
| 03:28.24 | Kylixen | GhostlyDeath: or a creepy penis attacks you out of no where. |
| 03:28.28 | Joachim_ | So etch is release, therefore my apt pinnig on stable does no longer work can someone enlighten me if there is something like pinning on codename? |
| 03:28.29 | Insolit | thanks a lot Kylixen :D |
| 03:28.36 | GhostlyDeath | Penis/Penix? |
| 03:28.49 | GhostlyDeath | What is a Penix? |
| 03:28.58 | Kylixen | !google |
| 03:28.58 | dpkg | i guess google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 03:29.09 | abrotman | !penix |
| 03:29.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a ... |
| 03:29.17 | yanmorin | *[^~] .*[^~] (they are not smiley ;p) |
| 03:29.31 | Kylixen | yanmorin: rather boring :P |
| 03:29.38 | Kylixen | xargs + find + grep + sort = fun time. |
| 03:29.47 | epotash | anyone here have netflix? |
| 03:29.52 | Kylixen | I do! |
| 03:29.52 | Joachim | Allready tried, neither google nor man apt_preferences seems to be all the helpful in the regard |
| 03:29.55 | Kylixen | I love it :) |
| 03:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 734] by debhelper |
| 03:30.02 | markybob | oh....OT, maybe? |
| 03:30.02 | epotash | yeah, me too... |
| 03:30.07 | epotash | excent this instant watching sucks |
| 03:30.10 | epotash | only works on windows |
| 03:30.17 | Kylixen | Eh? |
| 03:30.19 | epotash | i was wonderng if anyone has gotten around that |
| 03:30.19 | Kylixen | Instant watching? |
| 03:30.21 | epotash | yeah |
| 03:30.22 | buu | Kylixen: What the hell? |
| 03:30.23 | epotash | you can stream movies |
| 03:30.27 | epotash | go to your account now |
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| 03:30.28 | Kylixen | I love you sexy. |
| 03:30.33 | epotash | at the bottom go to "Watch now" |
| 03:30.40 | Kylixen | epotash: Really? Intriguing. |
| 03:30.44 | epotash | it only works on xp sp2 with IE |
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| 03:30.58 | Kylixen | epotash: Welcome to the world of ... the world. |
| 03:31.03 | epotash | yep... |
| 03:31.29 | Kylixen | buu: I haven't talked to you in a while. Figured i'd make your name yellow |
| 03:31.48 | buu | Oh. That explains it all. |
| 03:31.51 | epotash | wait... |
| 03:31.55 | epotash | was etch released TODAY? |
| 03:31.59 | Kylixen | Yup. |
| 03:32.03 | epotash | lol i didnt even know |
| 03:32.04 | Kylixen | buu: What do you do again? |
| 03:32.09 | epotash | good thing its in the topic |
| 03:32.19 | yanmorin | epotash, you don't read debian.org every day? |
| 03:32.21 | Kylixen | epotash: me either :) that god someone bang'd the topic. |
| 03:32.24 | buu | Kylixen: I have no idea. |
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| 03:32.30 | epotash | why isnt it on /, |
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| 03:32.35 | Kylixen | buu: You've always been a rather bad fibber. |
| 03:32.38 | yanmorin | epotash, it was... |
| 03:32.40 | epotash | oh |
| 03:32.41 | epotash | lo |
| 03:32.42 | epotash | l |
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| 03:32.57 | epotash | yep |
| 03:32.59 | epotash | i missed it |
| 03:33.05 | TumithAcid | goodnight everyone! |
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| 03:33.13 | jetscreamer | zomg it's buu the famous perlbot! |
| 03:33.20 | Kylixen | buu: Want to help me write PF_RING? |
| 03:33.20 | yanmorin | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/08/017241.shtml |
| 03:33.30 | peterS | hmmmmm |
| 03:33.33 | jetscreamer | !worship buu |
| 03:33.35 | peterS | !topicsmite epotash |
| 03:33.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon epotash. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:33.39 | peterS | ...just because |
| 03:33.51 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:34.07 | Kylixen | i tricked a hot chick into loving a dork |
| 03:34.10 | Kylixen | it's kind of cool |
| 03:34.14 | Kylixen | she likes to have sex and everything |
| 03:34.25 | rahul | tricked? |
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| 03:34.34 | rahul | what did you tell her about what's in his pants? |
| 03:34.43 | rahul | or his bank account? |
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| 03:35.03 | Kylixen | she's done a bit more than just see what's in my pants :) She's made this dork happy. |
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| 03:35.23 | rahul | dorks can be happy because a girl looks at them. |
| 03:35.26 | yanmorin | you're the dork? |
| 03:35.29 | rahul | haha |
| 03:35.29 | peterS | dork was 70s slang for penis. maybe she knew that, and that's why |
| 03:35.35 | rahul | heh |
| 03:35.42 | Kylixen | Indeed i am! |
| 03:35.44 | Wyzard | Can swapspaces have UUIDs? |
| 03:35.52 | Tobsn | evenin |
| 03:35.58 | peterS | Wyzard: I don't think so, but let me check.. |
| 03:36.03 | Kylixen | peterS: That is it. She's using me for penis. |
| 03:36.06 | Tobsn | does someone have a idea how to cut in 3-4 secs into a video on the shell? |
| 03:36.13 | peterS | Kylixen: yeah, sucks to be you |
| 03:36.18 | rahul | heh |
| 03:36.27 | Kylixen | peterS: I know right? All women ever want is sex. |
| 03:36.27 | peterS | or something about sucking and you |
| 03:36.28 | Wyzard | A friend upgraded to etch and now has a race condition between two IDE drivers that cause his drives to change letters each time he boots |
| 03:36.29 | Kylixen | I feel so used. |
| 03:36.39 | Wyzard | so I was showing him how to use UUID= and LABEL= in fstab |
| 03:36.41 | Kylixen | Letters you say? |
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| 03:36.48 | Wyzard | hda, hde, etc. |
| 03:36.52 | yanmorin | videocut --from 3 --to 6 video.ogg |
| 03:36.52 | Kylixen | Right.. |
| 03:37.03 | Wyzard | but that approach is kinda limited if swap partitions can't be specified that way |
| 03:37.04 | Kylixen | Those get labled bi IRQ by udev right? |
| 03:37.07 | yanmorin | (joke) |
| 03:37.26 | \amethyst | Wyzard: my swap partition has a UUID |
| 03:37.26 | Wyzard | They get enumerated in the order the drivers are loaded |
| 03:37.36 | peterS | Wyzard: indeed. the real question is whether swapon can _read_ a uuid in a swap partition, which I don't think it can even if one might be able to exist |
| 03:37.38 | \amethyst | Wyzard: and mkswap can add a label |
| 03:37.40 | Kylixen | huh, no shit. |
| 03:37.51 | jetscreamer | swap has uuid |
| 03:37.56 | Wyzard | \amethyst: How do you check the current UUID/label? |
| 03:38.00 | \amethyst | swapon supports -U -L |
| 03:38.09 | Kylixen | buu: you don't love me? |
| 03:38.19 | Wyzard | "file" doesn't show the UUID, and there's no "tuneswap" like there's a "tune2fs" |
| 03:38.21 | \amethyst | Wyzard: look in /dev/disk/by-{uuid,id} |
| 03:38.31 | rahul | oh |
| 03:38.34 | rahul | !penixstrike Kylixen |
| 03:38.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Kylixen to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:38.43 | peterS | poor Kylixen |
| 03:38.44 | rahul | sorry, a little late with that |
| 03:38.49 | jetscreamer | Tobsn: mencoder can do it, but it's a lot easier with a gui like avidemux |
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| 03:39.19 | \amethyst | Wyzard: That should have, for each uuid/label found, a symlink of that name to the real device |
| 03:39.25 | LunarC | is there a program that will make PDFs smaller by converting internal imgaes to jpeg? |
| 03:39.52 | Kylixen | LunarC: By dimension or disk space? |
| 03:40.04 | jetscreamer | disk |
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| 03:40.21 | peterS | LunarC: not that I've heard of, but you can check 'apt-cache search pdf repack' and similar terms, for yourself |
| 03:40.22 | Wyzard | \amethyst: ok, thanks |
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| 03:40.43 | LunarC | Kylixen, disk space |
| 03:41.02 | rahul | why do you think a jpeg would be smaller in terms of disk space? |
| 03:41.16 | LunarC | I have several-hundred-megabyte PDFs which I have exported from inkscape, since it seems not to use jpeg compression in them =/ |
| 03:41.19 | Kylixen | rahul: jpeg is a compressed format |
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| 03:41.33 | Kylixen | LunarC: Why not convert them before the pdf is made? |
| 03:41.33 | rahul | Kylixen: pdf is a compressed format. |
| 03:41.43 | Tobsn | hmm okay thx |
| 03:41.43 | warjest` | Short of rebooting and looking at the screen, how can i tell if lilo or grub is installed in my mbr |
| 03:41.47 | Wyzard | rahul: not lossy-compressed like JPEG |
| 03:41.51 | LunarC | rahul, the images are currently stored losslessly in the pdf file |
| 03:41.53 | peterS | rahul: yeah but only in the sense of zlib, jpeg can do much better than zlib |
| 03:41.58 | rahul | Wyzard: but lossy compression may not compress much |
| 03:42.04 | Kylixen | rahul: Uh.... not that i've seen. looks like typical encoding/application protocol. |
| 03:42.04 | rahul | depending on the image |
| 03:42.09 | rahul | Kylixen: huh? |
| 03:42.11 | Wyzard | It may not, or it may compress a lot |
| 03:42.16 | LunarC | rahul, they are photos |
| 03:42.18 | Kylixen | rahul: strings -a a pdf file. |
| 03:42.28 | LunarC | photos tend to compress very well with jpg |
| 03:43.03 | rahul | Kylixen: yes, it has postscript around a bunch of stuff written in a compressed postscript dialect |
| 03:43.11 | Kylixen | i'm no pdf wizard, but jpeg is pretty decent compression. |
| 03:43.14 | guru | does cvs use another port besides 22 for ext authentication? |
| 03:43.24 | rahul | jpeg is decent, except when it's indecent |
| 03:43.36 | Kylixen | png for the win! |
| 03:43.50 | rahul | I doubt pdf supports png, tho :\ |
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| 03:44.03 | LunarC | Kylixen, they were jpeg before, but it doesn't appear that inkscape left them that way |
| 03:44.39 | Kylixen | LunarC: It's highly unlikely they were unpacked and converted. how big were they before paking the pdf? |
| 03:44.49 | Kylixen | s/paking/making/ |
| 03:44.54 | rahul | oh, does pdf support jpeg data inside it? |
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| 03:44.58 | \amethyst | rahul: yes |
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| 03:45.07 | jetscreamer | warjest`: usually if you have a /boot/grub/ you have grub, and if you have an /etc/lilo.conf you have lilo ... but that's not hard&fast |
| 03:45.12 | rahul | then wtf is this tool of a tool that LunarC is using doing? |
| 03:45.16 | jetscreamer | you could have both |
| 03:45.30 | jetscreamer | but only one in mbr eh |
| 03:45.40 | Kylixen | rahul: Imprinting jesus into the header. |
| 03:45.50 | rahul | jetscreamer: and your /boot might not be mounted and your lilo may be installed from a different FS |
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| 03:46.33 | jetscreamer | hexedit the disk! |
| 03:46.46 | jetscreamer | that's always fun |
| 03:46.49 | Kylixen | dd that bitch to an img :) |
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| 03:46.59 | Kylixen | jetscreamer: You ever dump your ram for shits and giggle? |
| 03:47.01 | LunarC | Kylixen, well, for example, one page has one image for which the source is a couple of MB, but the PDF which gets outputted is 47 MB |
| 03:47.15 | Silicon | the first debian dvd contains all you need to install all the basic stuff right? |
| 03:47.15 | jetscreamer | no, not been that bored yet |
| 03:47.17 | Kylixen | The fuck? That's weird. I'd say use differnt software. |
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| 03:47.20 | jetscreamer | too much i dont know |
| 03:47.26 | shf | hy blackman |
| 03:47.28 | Wyzard | Silicon: yes |
| 03:47.31 | Silicon | k |
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| 03:47.32 | jetscreamer | Silicon: yeah mostly |
| 03:47.48 | Silicon | because i fracked up my upgrade royally and need to reinstall |
| 03:48.19 | \amethyst | LunarC: I just confirmed the behaviour |
| 03:48.22 | jetscreamer | heh fracked... i missed bsg tonight :/ |
| 03:48.30 | Kylixen | jetscreamer: I took this neat forensics class with SANS. It was bad ass. We went through a FAT files sytem by hand. |
| 03:48.31 | Silicon | ;/ |
| 03:48.34 | Kylixen | We also dumped RAM. |
| 03:48.47 | shf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.50 | jetscreamer | oh boy! |
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| 03:49.02 | jetscreamer | sounds like a good class though |
| 03:49.20 | deepsa | rahul, stfu. |
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| 03:49.27 | Kylixen | It was pretty neat. |
| 03:49.41 | Kylixen | deepsa: You smell of pooh. |
| 03:49.41 | rahul | deepsa: no |
| 03:49.42 | bmhearrtiez | Hello guys |
| 03:49.50 | donsson | intend to use ekiga and video4linux for videoconferencing. which webcams would be suitable? |
| 03:49.52 | bmhearrtiez | Now debian is part of the GNAA family |
| 03:49.58 | bmhearrtiez | Our friend sam is the new leader |
| 03:50.01 | jetscreamer | ban him |
| 03:50.02 | bmhearrtiez | so we hope we can be good friends |
| 03:50.05 | nihraguk | jetscreamer: bsg is over for now isn't it |
| 03:50.05 | buu | Kylixen: I can't even remember who you are |
| 03:50.06 | jetscreamer | kline |
| 03:50.07 | bmhearrtiez | jetscreamer: im not joking |
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| 03:50.09 | deepsa | bmhearrtiez, sure |
| 03:50.10 | bmhearrtiez | we are going to help |
| 03:50.13 | bmhearrtiez | to develop it |
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| 03:50.17 | deepsa | bmhearrtiez, we love GNAA |
| 03:50.24 | rahul | !ops we welcome sunday with open arms |
| 03:50.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rahul complains about: we welcome sunday with open arms |
| 03:50.25 | Kylixen | buu: I know. That's the fun of it all. I've conversed with you for years. You never remember. |
| 03:50.28 | jetscreamer | nihraguk: afaik there should be 4 epi's left or so |
| 03:50.32 | bmhearrtiez | deepsa: sam is the most honest person |
| 03:50.38 | shf | GNAA and debian have very much in common with each over |
| 03:50.38 | bmhearrtiez | its the right man for debian |
| 03:50.40 | deepsa | bmhearrtiez, i agree |
| 03:50.51 | donsson | GNAA stands for? |
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| 03:50.54 | buu | Kylixen: Do I have to get out my logs? |
| 03:50.59 | bmhearrtiez | i can see DEBIAN succeeding it thanks to sam |
| 03:50.59 | shf | donsson: http://www.gnaa.us/ sir |
| 03:51.03 | deepsa | gay nigger american association donsson |
| 03:51.05 | nihraguk | jetscreamer: for hdtv maybe... but i watched the season finale a few weeks back |
| 03:51.12 | Kylixen | buu: If you must grep -i kylixen *.logs |
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| 03:51.18 | donsson | :D |
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| 03:51.33 | rahul | LoRez: there's lots of them |
| 03:51.33 | Kylixen | buu: No worries though. |
| 03:51.34 | jetscreamer | nihraguk: that was the mid-season finale afaik |
| 03:51.38 | deepsa | rahul, wtf you doing here man |
| 03:51.44 | rahul | deepsa: masturbating |
| 03:51.44 | Kylixen | buu: I don't know what I like you, but I do |
| 03:51.47 | \amethyst | LunarC: it looks like inkscape is converting images not only to bitmaps, but to hex-encoded bitmaps |
| 03:51.48 | buu | Kylixen: Can I just sit here with a knowing grin? |
| 03:51.55 | deepsa | rahul, my ass. fuck off fromhere |
| 03:51.57 | bmhearrtiez | rahul: i dont get why are you getting us off the channel |
| 03:52.01 | donsson | deepsa: i thought that was a joke. damn. |
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| 03:52.06 | bmhearrtiez | we are going to help sam to develop debian |
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| 03:52.22 | Kylixen | buu: Sure. I lika the boobie.s |
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| 03:52.30 | donsson | and who the hell is this Sam? |
| 03:52.32 | LunarC | \amethyst, yuck |
| 03:52.37 | buu | Kylixen: This is fascinating, how does I lika the boobies make you feel? |
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| 03:52.48 | bmhearrtiez | donsson: new head of debian |
| 03:52.58 | LunarC | I know for images embedded in svg files it uses ascii-encoded png files, but bitmaps? yuck |
| 03:53.06 | Kylixen | like i'm gonna piss valenn off in about 4 minutes when I roll over and "lika the boobies" |
| 03:53.07 | bmhearrtiez | donsson: Sam hovercar, head of debian project, former GNAA member. |
| 03:53.12 | Kylixen | buu: What do you do? |
| 03:53.20 | buu | Kylixen: I hang out on ircs. |
| 03:53.21 | rahul | 23:53 [freenode] [deepsa(n=deepsa@unaffiliated/deepsa)] mother fucking ass hole stop the shit you bastard son of a bitch |
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| 03:53.26 | rahul | I'm impressed, actually. |
| 03:53.33 | Kylixen | buu: Indeed. Professionally? |
| 03:53.37 | deepsa | rahul, watch your language |
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| 03:53.41 | buu | Kylixen: Yes, exactly. |
| 03:53.41 | eitan | Hello all. How do I revert all backports that I have installed on my sarge system to the official sarge version using a single command? |
| 03:53.46 | rahul | deepsa: I watch it carefully |
| 03:53.50 | nihraguk | jetscreamer: uhh not according to en.battlestarwiki.org |
| 03:53.52 | peterS | deepsa: are you here to talk about debian or are you here to talk about gnaa? |
| 03:53.55 | deepsa | rahul, no you not. you are blaming me |
| 03:53.56 | jetscreamer | eitan: you don't |
| 03:53.56 | rahul | especially when I say things like shit or fuck |
| 03:54.05 | donsson | head of debian, umh, i have yet to know about the hierarchy of Debian. anywhere to get such info? |
| 03:54.12 | deepsa | rahul, you wrote those words to me. |
| 03:54.17 | markybob | donsson: a little place called google |
| 03:54.25 | eitan | jetscreamer: Is there any way to revert backports to the official versions at all? |
| 03:54.26 | Kylixen | buu: no <3 ? In all seriousness. What do you do? |
| 03:54.33 | buu | Kylixen: I program. |
| 03:54.41 | Kylixen | Really? Freelance? |
| 03:54.41 | buu | "I work with systems. And processes" |
| 03:54.45 | buu | Negatory. |
| 03:54.49 | jetscreamer | eitan: that would be like downgrading |
| 03:54.49 | rahul | deepsa: that one was weak |
| 03:54.50 | markybob | donsson: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization |
| 03:54.53 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 03:54.53 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 03:54.56 | Kylixen | buu: Who for? |
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| 03:55.04 | rahul | deepsa: I am expecting more from you. you set the standards high in the beginning. |
| 03:55.04 | jetscreamer | you can try though |
| 03:55.05 | buu | Kylixen: People on the internet. |
| 03:55.07 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 03:55.16 | Kylixen | your vagueness gets me stiff. |
| 03:55.17 | rahul | deepsa: you have to do more than just fuck, man |
| 03:55.25 | donsson | markybob: when already in #debian, its absurd to google to such about hierarchy of debian. your belated link is more like it. thks. |
| 03:55.29 | eitan | jetscreamer: yes. It would be downgrading... how do I do a "force version" with apt-get for multiple packages simultaneously? |
| 03:55.29 | deepsa | rahul, watch your langauge. this is clean channel |
| 03:55.42 | bmhearrtiez | Bye brothers |
| 03:55.43 | rahul | deepsa: I like my channels dirty and my women dirtier |
| 03:55.47 | bmhearrtiez | im happy we are a family now |
| 03:55.48 | peterS | deepsa: I repeat: are you here to talk about debian or are you here to talk about gnaa? |
| 03:55.49 | bmhearrtiez | <3 |
| 03:55.50 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 03:55.50 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 03:55.52 | Kylixen | deepsa: You smell funny. |
| 03:55.54 | jetscreamer | eitan: i don't know, i've only downgraded one package afaik |
| 03:55.55 | deepsa | peterS, talk debian |
| 03:55.57 | markybob | donsson: what's absurd are people like you expecting people to do everything for you even when all it takes is a simple google search |
| 03:56.06 | buu | Kylixen: You aren't confusing me for beu are you? |
| 03:56.07 | deepsa | peterS, rahul is using bad lang. |
| 03:56.09 | eitan | jetscreamer: understood. |
| 03:56.13 | \amethyst | eitan: apt-get install prog1=version1 prog2=version2 |
| 03:56.16 | peterS | deepsa: yes, yes he is |
| 03:56.29 | buu | peterS: This channel is fascinating. I should spend more time here. |
| 03:56.31 | Kylixen | buu: nope. I used to chat in #perl with you. |
| 03:56.37 | peterS | BEW |
| 03:56.38 | buu | Kylixen: Wacky. |
| 03:56.44 | buu | PETSTER |
| 03:56.59 | eitan | Do I need to revert all backports in my sarge system to the official sarge versions before upgrading my system to etch? |
| 03:56.59 | Kylixen | buu: Indeed. |
| 03:56.59 | peterS | oooh not a dreaded -ster name. you win |
| 03:56.59 | buu | Hey, that came out as a real word. |
| 03:56.59 | jetscreamer | i lurk in #perl and know allabout buu muhahahaha |
| 03:57.06 | donsson | markybob: there is a time and place for everything. when in #debian, it is stupid to suggest to me to google for info that is so debian. |
| 03:57.12 | Kylixen | jetscreamer: buu rhymes with poo. |
| 03:57.13 | jetscreamer | (not really) |
| 03:57.27 | Kylixen | donsson: Dude... google. |
| 03:57.40 | Kylixen | donsson: Google "stupid questions on IRC" |
| 03:57.44 | GhostlyDeath | !force |
| 03:57.45 | dpkg | i guess force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
| 03:57.46 | buu | peterS: peterstersterster? |
| 03:57.51 | peterS | actually, you know what? quit arguing about whether his question about the debian hierarchy was a reasonable one, ok? I mean just drop it |
| 03:57.51 | GhostlyDeath | nope |
| 03:57.58 | donsson | Kylixen: FO, STFU. |
| 03:58.09 | GhostlyDeath | How do you install dif. arch. packages with dpkg? |
| 03:58.13 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: you don't |
| 03:58.15 | Kylixen | donsson: Hai! Anata wa totemo kawaii desu ka/ |
| 03:58.15 | jetscreamer | dpkg --force-help |
| 03:58.35 | donsson | Kylixen: fucking Jap. |
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| 03:58.48 | Kylixen | donsson: ooOoOoO racism. a sign of superior intelligence. |
| 03:58.51 | jetscreamer | my god it really is sunday, isn't it |
| 03:58.55 | eitan | ok... thanks anyway. |
| 03:58.59 | GhostlyDeath | Happy Easter! |
| 03:59.06 | rahul | only 2 minutes left EST |
| 03:59.15 | peterS | jetscreamer: not for much longer. it's only sunday in bits of the Americas and the Pacific now. |
| 03:59.15 | yanmorin | 1 |
| 03:59.15 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: 4 |
| 03:59.16 | rahul | they just barely made it in |
| 03:59.18 | jetscreamer | your clock is slow |
| 03:59.20 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: 1 |
| 03:59.22 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: 4 |
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| 03:59.29 | GhostlyDeath | Mine is synced with the net |
| 03:59.31 | jetscreamer | 1 now |
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| 03:59.38 | jetscreamer | [23.00.00] <jetscreamer> 1 now |
| 03:59.44 | peterS | I think you mean 0:16 |
| 03:59.52 | rahul | 10 seconds |
| 04:00.00 | yanmorin | now |
| 04:00.00 | rahul | and it's monday |
| 04:00.09 | jetscreamer | lies your clock is fast |
| 04:00.16 | peterS | this isn't a farking new year's party, guys |
| 04:00.20 | rahul | my clock is faster than your clock |
| 04:00.29 | rahul | peterS: it's an it's not sunday any more party |
| 04:00.36 | rahul | oh wait, it IS sunday. this is IRC. |
| 04:00.37 | markybob | jetscreamer: for future reference http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5 |
| 04:00.52 | peterS | rahul: but california still has almost 3 hours of sunday, surely that's enough for anyone |
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| 04:00.59 | GhostlyDeath | forcing i386 packages on amd64 is ok right since it's x86_64? |
| 04:01.02 | rahul | damn hippies |
| 04:01.04 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: no |
| 04:01.05 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: no, it's not. |
| 04:01.17 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: you don't install packages from one architecture on antoher architecture. |
| 04:01.26 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: not in Debian. you can't install 32-bit stuff quite that easily in Debian. possibly in the next Debian release it will be that easy. |
| 04:01.32 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: if you want to use i386 packages, create a chroot. |
| 04:01.43 | GhostlyDeath | Google Earth runs perfectly |
| 04:01.55 | rahul | google earth may be statically linked |
| 04:02.08 | GhostlyDeath | You need ia32 libs |
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| 04:02.16 | rahul | and where'd you get them from? |
| 04:02.22 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: the debian kernel can run 32-bit programs, sure, but Debian packages aren't set up to be cross-installed in that way |
| 04:02.27 | epsilon | does any server has cd-image of 3.1_r6? |
| 04:02.37 | rahul | epsilon: why do you need one? |
| 04:02.46 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: It may work in some cases, even for things that use (certain) shared libraries, but it's a bad idea in general... use a chroot |
| 04:02.50 | rahul | epsilon: or rather ones? |
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| 04:02.59 | peterS | epsilon: cdimage.debian.org should have pointers that work |
| 04:03.00 | GhostlyDeath | chroot needs root |
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| 04:03.19 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: dpkg needs root |
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| 04:03.26 | rahul | not chroot. |
| 04:03.44 | peterS | rahul: he means _running_ something in a chroot requires root |
| 04:03.49 | GhostlyDeath | oh well, it's my system and I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT thank you very much! |
| 04:04.00 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: great, don't ask us for help, then |
| 04:04.14 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: I was being sarcastic |
| 04:04.15 | rahul | peterS: why? |
| 04:04.17 | zoghome | anyone know how to enable read balancing in linux 2.6.X software raid1? it doesnt appear to do it by default |
| 04:04.32 | peterS | rahul: because the chroot system call fails for unprivileged users |
| 04:04.34 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: well, you CAN do whatever you want :P |
| 04:04.43 | rahul | peterS: hrm, that's crappy |
| 04:04.47 | \amethyst | rahul: because the chroot syscall requires root (and CAP_SYS_CHROOT) |
| 04:04.48 | epsilon | peterS: well i checked all country-code mirrors in europe and no one has r6. onl 3.1r5 or 4.0 |
| 04:04.54 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: I'm just saying that if it's my computer, I can think about the risks |
| 04:04.59 | konend | Kylixen, i hate Japs. They caused so much destructions and committed so much and so horrendous atrocities and yet the MFSOB Abe wants to deny them all. |
| 04:05.03 | rahul | oh, I can see why it might make sense... |
| 04:05.17 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: there are no risks. it just won't happen. |
| 04:05.19 | Tobsn | jetscreamer, another idea how to set a watermark? |
| 04:05.22 | Tobsn | like a url etc. |
| 04:05.22 | \amethyst | I gues you can grant yourself SYS_CHROOT |
| 04:05.24 | konend | Fuck the Japs. |
| 04:05.27 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: It will happen |
| 04:05.41 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: Life is a game of Risk, only one person wins |
| 04:05.42 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: if you hack dpkg's code, maybe |
| 04:05.48 | \amethyst | Tobsn: set a watermark on what? |
| 04:05.53 | Tobsn | video |
| 04:05.53 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: or --force- options |
| 04:05.54 | peterS | epsilon: hmmm, I'm not sure where to look then |
| 04:05.57 | konend | Kylixen, bakaru. |
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| 04:06.05 | Tobsn | (image would be easy :P) |
| 04:06.18 | GhostlyDeath | konend: how old are you? |
| 04:06.18 | jeef | mm, is the inetd route with pure-ftpd the only route debian intends to use now? (previously, it was an init script that daemonized it, iirc..?) |
| 04:06.19 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: good luck with that. have a debian netinst cd ready. |
| 04:06.40 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: I do |
| 04:06.43 | konend | GhostlyDeath, old enough to know what those shitty Japs did,. |
| 04:06.56 | konend | durign WW2. |
| 04:07.00 | rahul | ok, put it in the drive, do what you want to do, reboot, set bios to boot from cd, reinstall |
| 04:07.01 | GhostlyDeath | konend: 60, 70? |
| 04:07.22 | konend | GhostlyDeath, does it matter? how old r u? |
| 04:07.26 | GhostlyDeath | 17 |
| 04:07.32 | GhostlyDeath | It does matter |
| 04:07.38 | markybob | konend hate speach has no place in #debian. |
| 04:07.41 | peterS | konend: please stop insulting Japanese |
| 04:07.42 | konend | GhostlyDeath, u a Jap too? |
| 04:07.51 | GhostlyDeath | konend: not one drop |
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| 04:08.05 | rahul | konend: you look Japanese to me |
| 04:08.16 | rahul | </texan-accent> |
| 04:08.23 | konend | GhostlyDeath, u know how many Americans were killed by Japs in Hawaii? |
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| 04:08.53 | GhostlyDeath | konend: lots |
| 04:09.32 | n3kl | peterS: Thank you. |
| 04:09.33 | GhostlyDeath | Wouldn't that ban an entire area? |
| 04:09.41 | markybob | country. singapore |
| 04:09.54 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: the country of singapore. it is people from there who are causing all our trouble today |
| 04:10.19 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: it's only 700 km^2 |
| 04:10.26 | markybob | peterS: in their defense, i've worked there and the *whole* place isnt bad ;) |
| 04:10.35 | Wyzard | either that or hacked machines in Singapore being used as proxies |
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| 04:10.49 | n3kl | markybob: don' you mean the *hole* place |
| 04:11.04 | peterS | markybob: I have nothing against most people from .sg that I've met. but sometimes a flood of them come into #debian and be morons for an hour |
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| 04:11.42 | GhostlyDeath | $20 says an IP change |
| 04:11.45 | epsilon | trolls are in every country *shrugs* |
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| 04:12.27 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: I won't bet $20, but it could just as easily be a short attention span |
| 04:12.41 | GhostlyDeath | I can see all your houses hahahaha (using Google earth) |
| 04:13.13 | rahul | I can't see all the penii falling from the sky |
| 04:13.41 | rahul | don't be frightened my friend, they only strike in #debian |
| 04:13.48 | ravan | now that etch is released, should i s/etch/lenny/g on /etc/apt/sources.lst ? |
| 04:13.54 | n3kl | GhostlyDeath: I live underground |
| 04:14.06 | GhostlyDeath | Is anyone else surprised I can't see Area 51 from Google Earth? |
| 04:14.08 | peterS | ravan: if you want to use 'testing' instead of the stable release - sure. if you like etch as a stable release, stay with it. |
| 04:14.12 | epsilon | ravan: depends what you want: stable or testing |
| 04:14.32 | Wyzard | ravan: If you want to track testing, you can just put "testing" in sources.list, and then you don't need to change it when a release occurs |
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| 04:14.47 | GhostlyDeath | ravan: That's what I did |
| 04:14.48 | rahul | www.onnyturf.com/subway and drag the map to the edges |
| 04:14.57 | epsilon | what's the name of release after lenny? |
| 04:15.03 | rahul | you'll see some interesting things :) |
| 04:15.07 | peterS | epsilon: that won't be decided until lenny is close to a release |
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| 04:15.20 | peterS | epsilon: but we've run out of suitable Toy tory characters |
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| 04:15.27 | GhostlyDeath | rahul: I heard the subway rat is good there, it true? |
| 04:15.29 | ravan | so etch is really just a snapshot of the repositories and nothing else? |
| 04:15.30 | peterS | so it's really a wildcard |
| 04:15.34 | epsilon | Toy Story 2 :P |
| 04:15.37 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: good for what? heh |
| 04:15.45 | peterS | ravan: no, etch is a release. debian 4.0. lenny will be debian 4.1 or possibly debian 5.0. |
| 04:15.52 | GhostlyDeath | eating |
| 04:16.00 | markybob | and wasnt there a straight to dvd toy story 3? there are still plenty :) |
| 04:16.05 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: I don't eat much cheap chinese takeout :P |
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| 04:16.15 | peterS | ravan: the release process is a lot more complex than just snapshotting our development tree. |
| 04:16.16 | GhostlyDeath | Pretty Soon, Debian 9.0, Americas #1 Distribution... |
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| 04:16.42 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: yeah...along with Playstation Implant 3.0 |
| 04:16.44 | GhostlyDeath | 1-800-1DEBIAN |
| 04:16.56 | GhostlyDeath | Call for your free copy today! |
| 04:16.57 | peterS | are 800 numbers allowed to start with 1? |
| 04:16.58 | epsilon | debian's most popular linux in US? |
| 04:17.12 | GhostlyDeath | epsilon: ever seen an AOL commercial? |
| 04:17.20 | epsilon | nope, live in .de |
| 04:17.26 | GhostlyDeath | So easy to use no wonder it's #1! |
| 04:17.27 | ravan | peterS: then will i get all the other stuff if i track testing instead of the releases itself? |
| 04:17.48 | GhostlyDeath | epsilon: AOL is in other countries also |
| 04:18.09 | peterS | ravan: testing is a 'release-in-progress' - it is sort of a filtered (i.e., not containing packages with known serious bugs) of our actual development tree, which is named 'unstable' or 'sid'. |
| 04:18.31 | peterS | ravan: (that's a simplification) |
| 04:18.37 | GhostlyDeath | Don't get libsdl_mixer1.2-1.2.6-2 it is bugged |
| 04:18.42 | Wyzard | ravan: Releases are snapshots in the sense that they aren't updated with new versions of software, just security fixes and other such urgent things |
| 04:18.45 | epsilon | in .de AOL is known as America Offline as one of lamest ISP to avoid at all cost, spamming with sign-up CDs |
| 04:19.00 | GhostlyDeath | epsilon: It's fun playing frisby with them though |
| 04:19.19 | Wyzard | ravan: Stable releases are meant for systems where "tried-and-true" is more important than "latest and greatest" and you don't want to have to worry that an updated version of a package might break some functionality you depend on |
| 04:19.23 | peterS | epsilon: AOL is available in .de? that is funny - their name implies that they are only on this side of the world |
| 04:19.35 | Wyzard | ravan: It's appropriate for servers especially |
| 04:19.42 | GhostlyDeath | DOL! Denmark OnLine? |
| 04:19.55 | epsilon | in .de AOL is only reseller of rented last mile, no big stuff |
| 04:19.58 | ravan | Wyzard: peterS thanks |
| 04:19.58 | GhostlyDeath | or is DE germany? |
| 04:20.05 | epsilon | yes |
| 04:20.08 | markybob | peterS: amusing that an internet company wouldnt have a "world-wide" reasonable name, isnt it? :) |
| 04:20.13 | Wyzard | epsilon: It's known that way in the US too, except by its users :-) |
| 04:20.32 | GhostlyDeath | markybob: AOL is just AOL now, it changed from America OnLine to AOL |
| 04:20.34 | peterS | markybob: yeah, next someone's gonna tell me American Airlines flies to Europe |
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| 04:20.46 | GhostlyDeath | peterS: I think thye do |
| 04:20.49 | epsilon | denmark is .dk BTW |
| 04:20.51 | jetscreamer | aol is your god |
| 04:20.57 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: oh. hrm. i didnt know that. |
| 04:21.13 | GhostlyDeath | markybob: British Airlines fly here |
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| 04:21.26 | GhostlyDeath | Just depends on who's where |
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| 04:21.35 | GhostlyDeath | Plus planes are all international |
| 04:21.37 | peterS | you know, they should outlaw AOL. "Use aol, go to gaol." it makes no sense but it's a cute slogan. |
| 04:21.37 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: from domestic to domestic? or just us to eu? |
| 04:21.45 | GhostlyDeath | US to UK |
| 04:21.48 | GhostlyDeath | and vice versa |
| 04:21.53 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: well, that makes sense, though. |
| 04:21.56 | cafuego_ | !etch pool |
| 04:21.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 04:22.08 | cafuego_ | So who won? :-) |
| 04:22.10 | jetscreamer | it makes lots of sense.... too stupid to live == aol users :o |
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| 04:22.19 | jetscreamer | i won |
| 04:22.32 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: Yeah but you got people in the deserts and nowheres |
| 04:22.32 | peterS | cafuego_: ...and no editing facto post facto, now |
| 04:22.33 | markybob | jetscreamer: my mother's an aol user, mother fucker |
| 04:22.35 | markybob | ;) |
| 04:22.45 | epsilon | peterS: why not? in europe, airplane company are mixed up, I regulary fly british airline for inner german flight |
| 04:22.48 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 04:22.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:22.49 | GhostlyDeath | Where fiber optics and cable and dsl are 100 miles away |
| 04:22.51 | jetscreamer | markybob: i blame you though |
| 04:22.53 | cafuego_ | peterS: Never! |
| 04:23.13 | epsilon | ok, now a german company bought british airways, nm |
| 04:23.17 | peterS | epsilon: ah, heh |
| 04:23.22 | jetscreamer | i thought virgin owned ba |
| 04:23.23 | markybob | rahul: believe it or not, even though you've been doing that to me for quite a few years now, it still makes me laugh ;) |
| 04:23.28 | GhostlyDeath | peterS: Gay AOL? |
| 04:23.29 | rahul | haha |
| 04:23.41 | epsilon | the german british airways part |
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| 04:23.45 | rahul | GayOL |
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| 04:23.55 | jetscreamer | g.a.ol |
| 04:24.02 | rahul | with a furry pink logo instead of a blue one |
| 04:24.19 | rahul | jetscreamer: heh, no, that's just convenience, not sexual preference :P |
| 04:25.01 | GhostlyDeath | I used GAIM as Gay (Retarded, Stupid, Useless, Bad) AIM... then I found out GAIM was something real... so I used GAIM as in Stupid AIM and had no clue about GAIM |
| 04:25.10 | GhostlyDeath | in a sense |
| 04:25.11 | jetscreamer | ok the work 'maim' needs to be expunged from the english language then |
| 04:25.20 | GhostlyDeath | !maim |
| 04:25.27 | GhostlyDeath | You're no help |
| 04:25.45 | peterS | jetscreamer: what, we have to say 'disfigure' now when we mean 'maim'? |
| 04:25.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:25.58 | jetscreamer | or injure greatly |
| 04:26.10 | jetscreamer | hey blame aol |
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| 04:26.40 | peterS | I can call you Betty, and Betty, if you call me, you can call me Aol |
| 04:26.53 | jetscreamer | from now on, i wish to be called 'betty' |
| 04:26.53 | xjkx | when i change the user and call graphical softwares "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" i know its for security purposes, but i am just learning/studying and I'd like to know how to disable it and allow people to call graphical softwares in another one's WM |
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| 04:27.01 | militant | ok, w32codecs didn't fix vlc's playback of avi audio. asked about this earlier but maybe someone has come in who knows? |
| 04:27.16 | markybob | militant: which codec? avi is a wrapper |
| 04:27.25 | militant | markybob, how do i find out |
| 04:27.25 | jetscreamer | container |
| 04:27.32 | markybob | jetscreamer: yes, thank you |
| 04:27.58 | jetscreamer | militant: install * from marillat and it will work :) |
| 04:28.00 | Silicon | it's not gaim anymore btw it's Pidgin |
| 04:28.03 | markybob | militant: hrm...you could try playing it in mplayer. the nogui version spits out codec info in console |
| 04:28.09 | GhostlyDeath | What kind of name is Pidgin? |
| 04:28.11 | militant | oh |
| 04:28.20 | piper69 | my system doesn't start gnome, when i Alt+F7 the get a gray box in a blue screen with this message "The X server is now disabled. restart GDM when it is configured correctly.". how can i do that please. |
| 04:28.23 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: a pretty good one, actually. look it up in wikipedia |
| 04:28.24 | militant | mpga according to vlc, stream 1 audio |
| 04:28.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin |
| 04:28.38 | GhostlyDeath | There a transitional package to it? |
| 04:28.40 | Wyzard | It's an appropriate name for a multi-protocol IM client |
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| 04:28.52 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: there will be :) |
| 04:28.56 | Wyzard | hehe, and the Pidgin article now mentions Gaim |
| 04:28.57 | jetscreamer | cept pidgin is like when you don't speak well |
| 04:29.32 | rahul | jetscreamer: exactly |
| 04:29.46 | rahul | gaim doesn't speak any of the protocols as well as the native client |
| 04:29.47 | markybob | heh |
| 04:29.52 | jetscreamer | i speek pidgin a bit |
| 04:29.56 | militant | markybob, it's mpga |
| 04:30.14 | markybob | militant: i've never heard of mpga |
| 04:30.19 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 04:30.29 | rahul | sweet taste of innocence forgotten. a semblance of confusion. |
| 04:30.35 | jetscreamer | militant: try it in mplayer |
| 04:30.44 | rahul | the strength I need is now flowing away. the choking feeling obstructs everything. |
| 04:30.57 | jahshua | vm's are secksee. http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4649/snapshot1fc1.png |
| 04:30.58 | militant | mplayer says mpeg layer2, layer3 |
| 04:31.15 | jetscreamer | does mplayer play the file though |
| 04:31.21 | piper69 | can someone correct this for me please... dpkg reconfiguer-x |
| 04:31.27 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 04:31.28 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:31.33 | militant | plays it but the audio is still screwy. video is fine in totem, vlc, mplayer, etc |
| 04:31.35 | Guerin | itym mpeg 2 layer 3 |
| 04:31.41 | Guerin | otherwise known as mp3 |
| 04:31.48 | militant | yeah |
| 04:31.48 | militant | well |
| 04:31.53 | militant | an mp3 here plays fine |
| 04:32.05 | GhostlyDeath | "Heart shaped box..." (Nirvana - Heart Shaped Box) |
| 04:32.07 | Guerin | if the audio is screwy on an mp3, it means the file is corrupt or incomplete |
| 04:32.10 | jetscreamer | sounds like a borked file |
| 04:32.14 | markybob | militant: open it in xine and use ctrl+i ....it tells you audio and video codec separately |
| 04:32.18 | jetscreamer | kurt was a loser/poser |
| 04:32.28 | militant | it's not corrupt or incomplete, it played fine on my sarge install. here on a fresh etch, it's bombing out |
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| 04:32.33 | jetscreamer | even though he made it big |
| 04:32.42 | Guerin | jetscreamer: no need to troll the grungetard |
| 04:33.08 | jetscreamer | the fact that he killed hisself always irritates me |
| 04:33.22 | militant | unless it got screwed up when i copied it over from the sarge drive to this one, which i don't see happening |
| 04:33.23 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:33.35 | Guerin | militant: whgat audio output? |
| 04:33.49 | jetscreamer | i thought you said it was an avi |
| 04:33.51 | lua- | is there an upgrade guide for sarge->etch ? |
| 04:34.00 | markybob | !sarge->etch |
| 04:34.01 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 04:34.01 | hark | yes, the release notes |
| 04:34.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: avi files often have mp3 sound |
| 04:34.15 | jetscreamer | oh. ok nm |
| 04:34.16 | Guerin | avi being a container which can accomodate most any codec |
| 04:34.30 | militant | jetscreamer, it's an avi. the audio and video both work fine on my sarge install, but on my etch, video works fine but audio is screwy, and yes i have w32codecs installed |
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| 04:34.39 | lua- | markybob: that's outdate, that's for when etch was unstable |
| 04:34.43 | Guerin | militant: try other players |
| 04:34.44 | lua- | outdated* |
| 04:34.51 | Guerin | lua-: etch was never unstable |
| 04:34.52 | jetscreamer | lua-: it still works |
| 04:34.52 | rahul | jetscreamer: he killed himself because he was uncomfortable with fame and couldn't handle all the bullshit |
| 04:34.52 | militant | Guerin, i've tried mplayer, vlc, totem |
| 04:35.00 | Guerin | militant: same performance? |
| 04:35.02 | jetscreamer | rahul: yeah ok |
| 04:35.02 | militant | yep |
| 04:35.09 | markybob | lua-: wtf? that's the right instructions |
| 04:35.11 | jetscreamer | sounds really terrible |
| 04:35.18 | Guerin | militant: then the problem is with one or both of the file, or your audio output system |
| 04:35.20 | lua- | well ok |
| 04:35.21 | karsten | When will etch be released? |
| 04:35.26 | markybob | lua-: i wouldnt tell you shit just for the fun of seeing your system get fucked |
| 04:35.27 | Wyzard | karsten: yesterday |
| 04:35.28 | hark | lua-: read the damn release notes |
| 04:35.28 | lua- | karsten: yesterday |
| 04:35.33 | Guerin | karsten: in negative several hours |
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| 04:35.36 | karsten | Wyzard: Is that the new standard answer? |
| 04:35.41 | militant | Guerin, i've considered audio issues. but mp3's play fine after alsa and alsa-utils and setting mixer |
| 04:35.42 | Wyzard | only today |
| 04:35.50 | karsten | "Debian: What do you think, we were released yesterday?" |
| 04:35.54 | rahul | jetscreamer: that and that bitch of a horrible musician wife he had, I assume |
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| 04:36.07 | piper69 | how can i restart GDM |
| 04:36.07 | Guerin | militant: then it's the file. |
| 04:36.11 | karsten | Guerin: yeah, just got the news. Had to be a wiseass. |
| 04:36.13 | jetscreamer | rahul: no idea, don't care... i'm alive. |
| 04:36.17 | markybob | rahul: horrible wife? ian or hans? ;) |
| 04:36.18 | Guerin | piper69: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 04:36.18 | militant | it can't be. it plays FINE from sarge. |
| 04:36.29 | rahul | jetscreamer: they intentionally made harsh-sounding songs to try to get rid of fans |
| 04:36.36 | jetscreamer | yeah] |
| 04:36.37 | rahul | markybob: heh |
| 04:36.39 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 04:36.45 | jetscreamer | i do that too |
| 04:36.45 | Guerin | karsten: my ass was not quite so wise, upon my return from the jungle this morning |
| 04:37.03 | jetscreamer | anyway... enough of loserboy, rahul |
| 04:37.07 | Guerin | militant: is the file identical? |
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| 04:37.11 | militant | Guerin, yes. |
| 04:37.21 | Guerin | militant: you have md5'ed it? |
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| 04:37.29 | militant | hmm no, i haven't. |
| 04:37.33 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:37.35 | rahul | jetscreamer: well, when you do something because you love to do it, and screaming, mindless idiots start latching on to you, you'll realize how stupid it makes you feel |
| 04:37.37 | karsten | Guerin: I've been hiking all day, drove about 145 odd miles (and another 146 even ones), just got in about 30 mins ago. |
| 04:38.00 | Guerin | karsten: i went to a convention for aging hippies |
| 04:38.01 | dob1 | why during the upgrade to etch i read a lot of Removing kde packages ? |
| 04:38.03 | piper69 | Guerin: thank you |
| 04:38.05 | EvilSporkMan | so is it going to be a month or two before it's safe to use Lenny? |
| 04:38.08 | jetscreamer | hey sounds like debian |
| 04:38.11 | markybob | karsten: hiking where? |
| 04:38.15 | rahul | jetscreamer: well, ubuntu :) |
| 04:38.17 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: depends on your definition of safe |
| 04:38.19 | karsten | markybob: Pinnacles NP. |
| 04:38.24 | rahul | to debian |
| 04:38.25 | shingouz | wellwell. i just got home from $ORK and the tpoic has changed. nice work :) |
| 04:38.27 | EvilSporkMan | peterS: more pleasant than unstable |
| 04:38.30 | shingouz | topic even |
| 04:38.37 | Wyzard | dob1: Myabe removing old packages that have been superseded by newer ones with different names? |
| 04:38.49 | dob1 | Wyzard: k3b ? |
| 04:38.53 | karsten | Or N. Monument, situation unclear. |
| 04:38.57 | rahul | ubuntu is debian's pearl jam |
| 04:38.58 | EvilSporkMan | etch was more pleasant than I imagine unstable to be for as long as I can recall, which is to say at least 6 to 9 months |
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| 04:39.04 | karsten | markybob: here: http://www.nps.gov/pinn/ |
| 04:39.08 | Wyzard | dob1: hmm, dunno |
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| 04:39.10 | peterS | EvilSporkMan: yeah, dunno. there will be some effort to _not_ churn unstable too bad at first, to try to avoid piling crap into lenny. we'll see how successful that is |
| 04:39.17 | markybob | rahul: oh wow...that actually irritates me because i'm a *huge* pearl jam fan... ;) |
| 04:39.19 | Guerin | rahul: i don't get it |
| 04:39.23 | dob1 | Wyzard: boh, i will istall them later then |
| 04:39.24 | bushblows | how could I mount a hard drive with data on it that I dont want to loose |
| 04:39.24 | rahul | markybob: bleh. |
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| 04:39.28 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 04:39.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:39.32 | EvilSporkMan | IIRC etch got a lot of borked new X packages fresh from unstable after the sarge release |
| 04:39.34 | bushblows | mount /dev/hdb /google dosnt work |
| 04:39.38 | rahul | Guerin: pearl jam are watered down grunge |
| 04:39.44 | Guerin | rahul: the thing which makes it popular? |
| 04:39.46 | markybob | rahul: c'mon...you dont like old school pearl jam? ten? |
| 04:39.48 | Wyzard | dob1: I'd have used aptitude's interactive mode, and preview the set of proposed changes before letting it go ahead |
| 04:39.49 | bushblows | and mount -t ext2/3 dosnt work, says their is no ext2/3 fs on that HD |
| 04:39.53 | markybob | rahul: i'm not talking new school |
| 04:39.55 | jetscreamer | perl jam like sucks |
| 04:39.57 | Guerin | militant: NO pearl jam is old-schoolo |
| 04:39.58 | bushblows | do mkfs erase the data |
| 04:39.58 | peterS | ten was the only decent work pearl jam ever did. at least that I've noticed. |
| 04:40.02 | rahul | markybob: eh, it's fine, but not as good as the other stuff |
| 04:40.04 | jetscreamer | always has |
| 04:40.08 | Guerin | Neil Young fucking invented grunge |
| 04:40.17 | jetscreamer | bushblows: not afaict |
| 04:40.17 | Guerin | if you want old schjool, listen to rust |
| 04:40.18 | markybob | peterS: i agree...but i think it's more than decent. i think ten is great |
| 04:40.18 | dob1 | Wyzard: ok i only hope that it will boot, then i will install what i need :) |
| 04:40.19 | Wyzard | bush: /dev/hdb is the whole-disk device, starting with the partition table |
| 04:40.25 | jetscreamer | !afaict |
| 04:40.25 | dpkg | i heard afaict is As Far As I Can Tell, afaict anywayz |
| 04:40.29 | rahul | King's X also invented grunge |
| 04:40.36 | Wyzard | bush: You want to mount a partition, such as hdb1 or hdb2 |
| 04:40.39 | Wyzard | oops |
| 04:40.41 | Wyzard | bushblows: ^^ |
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| 04:40.47 | peterS | markybob: yes, well, parts of it are great, at least. the album as a whole didn't blow me away. but nothing _since then_ is great. |
| 04:40.55 | rahul | if you like AIC, King's X is a well, not a no-brainer... it's like the opposite but equal of a no-brainer. |
| 04:40.56 | bushblows | I want to mount it move the data then reformat it |
| 04:41.02 | bushblows | it was an existing install of debian |
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| 04:41.08 | rahul | in that King's X is prog rock. |
| 04:41.09 | Ramattack | hi |
| 04:41.12 | bushblows | but I need to save the files inh a directory on it |
| 04:41.15 | Ramattack | what's to strip executables? |
| 04:41.21 | Wyzard | bushblows: Don't run mkfs on it -- while it technically won't erase the data, you won't be able to actually *access* the data except by painstaking data-recovery procedures |
| 04:41.32 | Guerin | Ramattack: how about strip(1) |
| 04:41.36 | rahul | peterS: "nothing" is a strong word :) |
| 04:41.43 | Ramattack | and what's the difference on doing make install and make install-strip? |
| 04:41.43 | militant | copying same file over to this laptop to try... |
| 04:41.44 | militant | hrrm |
| 04:41.57 | Guerin | Ramattack: depends on the makefile |
| 04:42.08 | bushblows | Wyzard, so what method should I take? |
| 04:42.12 | peterS | Ramattack: 'strip' usually means to remove debugging info from an executable. this makes it a lot smaller, but if you ever find a bug in the program and want to run it under a debugger to investigate, having a stripped executable makes your life a lot harder |
| 04:42.17 | DawnLight | is anyone here comfortable with editing a binary file with hex? |
| 04:42.30 | Guerin | DawnLight: no. |
| 04:42.34 | DawnLight | lol |
| 04:42.40 | Guerin | DawnLight: nobody is comfortable with that. |
| 04:42.40 | karsten | DawnLight: Maybe. |
| 04:42.47 | Ramattack | so then normally is the same to do make install-strip and make install isn't it? |
| 04:42.49 | karsten | Do we hear a yes? |
| 04:42.50 | rahul | peterS: I mean, there's everything from After Forever and Kamelot and Edguy to Acroma to Scarling ... |
| 04:42.51 | DawnLight | i sure can understand that |
| 04:43.00 | Wyzard | bushblows: Like I said, mount the appropriate partition |
| 04:43.04 | peterS | rahul: right and I won't claim to have heard the entire pearl jam oeuvre. but what I've heard, none of it is great, except some of the songs on ten |
| 04:43.11 | rahul | peterS: oh, by them |
| 04:43.14 | bushblows | /dev/hdb isnt |
| 04:43.21 | rahul | peterS: yes, I'd agree with that opinion |
| 04:43.27 | Wyzard | bushblows: Did you read what I told you a minute ago? |
| 04:43.33 | peterS | 'Daughter' is particularly grating |
| 04:43.34 | bushblows | in fdisk it shows /dev/hdb as what I want and the format says linux, but mount dosnt recognize linux |
| 04:43.35 | markybob | rahul: you're just more of a hippie....phish above all else! |
| 04:43.37 | Ramattack | isn't that peterS? |
| 04:43.48 | rahul | peterS: the best work of the worst popular grunge band :) |
| 04:43.55 | Wyzard | bushblows: /dev/hdb is the whole-disk device, whch begins with the partition table |
| 04:43.55 | rahul | markybob: I was at their final show |
| 04:43.58 | DawnLight | well i'd love some help with this, if anyone has a few minutes of hex editing to spare |
| 04:44.00 | peterS | Ramattack: as Guerin said, it depends on the makefile |
| 04:44.04 | Wyzard | bushblows: Filesystems are created in partitions |
| 04:44.31 | Ramattack | so it depends on what to be set on the makefile o install-strip: and on install: isn't it? |
| 04:44.38 | DawnLight | because i don't think i can do this by myself and there's no cheap way around it |
| 04:44.39 | bushblows | Wyzard, ya |
| 04:44.43 | rahul | markybob: although I don't see how progressive power metal is connected to hippies |
| 04:44.44 | markybob | peterS: that's one of my favorites. in versus, right? |
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| 04:44.46 | peterS | rahul: back in 1993 I used to always annoy a friend of mine by saying I couldn't tell PJ from STP. he was a STP fan and found that insulting. I wasn't entirely serious, I could actually tell the difference. |
| 04:44.50 | imachine_ | Hi! |
| 04:44.59 | peterS | markybob: yes it is |
| 04:45.04 | rahul | !penixstrike peterS |
| 04:45.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking peterS to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:45.08 | imachine_ | may I just say: 4.0 is NICE :-) |
| 04:45.18 | rahul | peterS: STP fucking rules. |
| 04:45.19 | peterS | rahul: ok you've used your quota of penixstrike for April, May and half of June |
| 04:45.24 | militant | Guerin, i copied the 'corrupt' file from the etch desktop to my sarge lappie... and once again, it plays perfect. |
| 04:45.25 | rahul | heh |
| 04:45.38 | markybob | rahul: see...the problem is, every time i picture you, i see that tie-dye picture |
| 04:45.39 | peterS | imachine_: we like it (: |
| 04:45.41 | Guerin | militant: it would have been easier to just md5 it |
| 04:45.42 | rahul | so you guys have to stop doing things that deserve penixstrikings |
| 04:45.43 | rahul | markybob: haha |
| 04:45.46 | markybob | rahul: however it's spelled :) |
| 04:45.48 | EvilSporkMan | 4.0 release is allowing me to lay down the law on Debian > Ubuntu, Gentoo, Fedora, etc. |
| 04:45.54 | militant | Guerin, perhaps, but in any case, we have an answer on that. |
| 04:46.08 | imachine_ | peterS: :-) |
| 04:46.10 | imachine_ | peterS: so do I. |
| 04:46.15 | DawnLight | karsten/Guerin, help? |
| 04:46.18 | imachine_ | i havven't sused debian for a while. |
| 04:46.18 | rahul | markybob: well, look at my top friends on myspace, and see how that compares to any categorization you'd make :P |
| 04:46.33 | markybob | rahul: /msg me a link? |
| 04:46.34 | Wyzard | EvilSporkMan: No distribution is categorically better than all others for all purposes |
| 04:46.35 | Guerin | DawnLight: if you want to edit binary executables with a hex editor, you're welll beyond help. |
| 04:46.37 | imachine_ | i only get annoyed at minor nuisances, but mosty they're probably due to me being used to systems working differently. |
| 04:46.54 | rahul | markybob: www.myspace.com/photinodecay |
| 04:46.57 | imachine_ | (like i don't know not working screen out of the box, with nasty termcap 'errorness' or so) |
| 04:47.07 | DawnLight | its only two letters from what i understand, Guerin |
| 04:47.10 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: I am assuming that the user does not consume noob-sauce on a daily basis |
| 04:47.41 | imachine_ | btw, what is that, is it termcap? how could i fix it. |
| 04:47.41 | rahul | (not like I care if other people can watch what I'm doing on myspace heh) |
| 04:47.41 | Wyzard | EvilSporkMan: My statement still stands |
| 04:47.51 | Guerin | imachine_: is that wehre it tells you your TERM isn't recognised? |
| 04:47.54 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: I'm only discontinuing the argument because i'll get kicked if i don't |
| 04:47.56 | karsten | DawnLight: WTF are you trying to do and why? |
| 04:48.02 | Guerin | that's fucking stupid and I'm sure I filed a bug to have it fix0red |
| 04:48.08 | imachine_ | Guerin: noh. |
| 04:48.13 | Guerin | oh.\ |
| 04:48.29 | karsten | DawnLight: If you're going to modify a binary, the first rule is to work on a copy. The second rule is to not do it. The third rule is to see the second rule. |
| 04:48.29 | imachine_ | i don't know actualyl.. i'm logging in from Xterm (xterm-color) and my delete key is messed up. |
| 04:48.45 | markybob | rahul: i like the second picture in your gallery :) |
| 04:48.55 | imachine_ | plus the shell stuff dependant upon TERM for xterm don't work. but that's okay since they're nto supposed to. |
| 04:49.12 | imachine_ | i don't know where to look for the settings. i use bash. /etc/inputrc ? |
| 04:49.26 | rahul | markybob: haha |
| 04:49.34 | rahul | yeah, well, as I said, don't ask me :P |
| 04:49.56 | markybob | rahul: i didnt :) |
| 04:49.56 | DawnLight | oh god... i have a certain problem with a modem that wouldn't change the firmware version and the only solution i've found is the edit some letters in it's memory |
| 04:49.56 | rahul | heh |
| 04:50.01 | imachine_ | DawnLight: right on. Good luck |
| 04:50.08 | rahul | why do I still have morgue directions in there? |
| 04:50.09 | imachine_ | :) |
| 04:50.12 | DawnLight | it means telnetting into it's cli and using it's hex editor |
| 04:50.26 | imachine_ | wicked. is it a POTS modem? |
| 04:50.32 | DawnLight | yes |
| 04:50.37 | imachine_ | cool. must be ancient or ? |
| 04:50.50 | DawnLight | pretty ancient |
| 04:50.54 | imachine_ | hehe. |
| 04:51.03 | imachine_ | i still have a 2400 bps somewhere. |
| 04:51.06 | DawnLight | but its good. tsgoood |
| 04:51.17 | DawnLight | only thing is i messed it up... |
| 04:51.24 | imachine_ | it won't connect tho, my ISP refuses it's slowness |
| 04:51.24 | imachine_ | ;) |
| 04:51.30 | Guerin | hah |
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| 04:51.47 | imachine_ | i wonder if i could dig up some bbs numbers... |
| 04:51.52 | imachine_ | that would own. |
| 04:51.57 | Guerin | i recently got an old intel/ambient 56k pci softmnodem to work |
| 04:52.02 | DawnLight | but others have too and only a chosen few managed to fix it this way |
| 04:52.09 | Guerin | using the intel drivers, which exist only for 2.4 kernel |
| 04:52.17 | imachine_ | pci modems blow. |
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| 04:52.23 | Guerin | i was shocked and horrified when it actually functioned |
| 04:52.28 | imachine_ | unless they have a bult in UART |
| 04:52.36 | peterS | Guerin: haha |
| 04:52.58 | imachine_ | i have some connexant pci modem. |
| 04:53.13 | imachine_ | but linuxant has decided to make one pay for their drivers |
| 04:53.17 | DawnLight | so will anyone just perhaps take a look at the howto for me? |
| 04:53.22 | imachine_ | so i only get like 9600 or so from it. and no fax. |
| 04:53.23 | imachine_ | so bah :) |
| 04:53.25 | drako | who use modem nowadays? |
| 04:53.34 | imachine_ | drako: lot's of people do. |
| 04:53.38 | imachine_ | drako: you don't ? |
| 04:53.43 | Guerin | drako: my mum |
| 04:53.48 | imachine_ | drako: hi btw ;] |
| 04:53.49 | drako | imachine_, ty kutasie |
| 04:53.49 | rahul | yay, I organized my images on myspace |
| 04:53.49 | imachine_ | :D |
| 04:53.53 | Guerin | drako: she thinks broadband will require rewiring of her house |
| 04:53.54 | imachine_ | drako: ty cwelu |
| 04:53.55 | imachine_ | :-) |
| 04:53.57 | rahul | I feel like a tard |
| 04:54.00 | Wyzard | I think the modem is the only piece of hardware in my laptop that I've never used, and never expect to |
| 04:54.00 | drako | imachine_, :D |
| 04:54.08 | imachine_ | drako, long time no see. |
| 04:54.08 | drako | imachine_, hi2u, long time dude :) |
| 04:54.13 | drako | hehe yah |
| 04:54.17 | imachine_ | :-) didn't know you liked debian. |
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| 04:54.21 | drako | imachine_, and now we met on #debian |
| 04:54.29 | imachine_ | yeah, what gives. |
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| 04:54.31 | imachine_ | :D |
| 04:54.40 | drako | imachine_, hehe since looong time, before fbsd |
| 04:54.45 | imachine_ | oic |
| 04:54.48 | drako | since slink |
| 04:54.55 | imachine_ | well debian's been about |
| 04:54.57 | imachine_ | for a while so |
| 04:54.57 | imachine_ | ;) |
| 04:54.58 | rahul | markybob: if you like pearl jam, the divide is another cool grunge band |
| 04:55.05 | rahul | markybob: but they're mostly local to NYC. |
| 04:55.15 | imachine_ | i like how it says 'this is not #ubuntu' in the topic |
| 04:55.16 | imachine_ | :-) |
| 04:55.27 | drako | hehe |
| 04:55.33 | markybob | rahul: hadnt heard of them. i'll see if i can find something to download |
| 04:55.37 | drako | I have nothing about ubuntu tho... |
| 04:55.38 | Wyzard | imachine_: You'd be surpised how often people come here with Ubuntu questions |
| 04:55.39 | drako | against* |
| 04:56.00 | DawnLight | if i do it wrong the modem is dead and it the blood will be on all the hands that didn't help me |
| 04:56.12 | markybob | imachine_: an awful lot of people, even real debian users, dont read the topic. it's very annoying |
| 04:56.20 | rahul | markybob: they're my 3rd top friend |
| 04:56.47 | rahul | markybob: if you feel like using flash, you can listen to some of their songs in mediocre quality on their myspace page |
| 04:56.54 | imachine_ | Wyzard, well, frankly, i wouldn't be. |
| 04:56.59 | imachine_ | Wyzard, it's understandable, in a way. |
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| 04:57.01 | Ramattack | ok then |
| 04:57.04 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
| 04:57.07 | Ramattack | bye! |
| 04:57.10 | imachine_ | cheers |
| 04:57.17 | imachine_ | markybob, i guess its an irc thing. |
| 04:57.21 | mhall | Is there a way to make a user that can log in though an X display manager but not through SSH? |
| 04:57.21 | imachine_ | anyway |
| 04:57.29 | imachine_ | damn this no delete key thing in screen |
| 04:57.30 | imachine_ | :/ |
| 04:57.36 | rahul | markybob: although the divide are more like nirvana. more sharp edges. |
| 04:57.38 | imachine_ | anyone also experiencing it ? |
| 04:57.44 | markybob | mhall: sshd_config has group and user settings for allow/deny |
| 04:57.50 | mhall | markybob: you rock |
| 04:57.58 | imachine_ | i searched the wiki on screen, not much there thow |
| 04:58.25 | dob1 | i have this problem http://channels.debian.net/paste/5999 , i have to remove these package to continue upgrading but i can't apt-get -f install doesn't work, what can i do? |
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| 04:59.09 | markybob | dob1: try dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libwxgtk2.6-0_2.6.3.2.1.5_i386.deb && apt-get -f install |
| 04:59.32 | dob1 | markybob: ok i try |
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| 05:00.30 | hark | dob1: /msg dpkg overwrite |
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| 05:00.42 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:00.42 | dpkg | i heard qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 05:01.08 | jetscreamer | ok only ppl in pst may participate in tardday festivities |
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| 05:01.30 | dob1 | ok thanks, it continues to upgrade (i think) the upgrade to woody to sarge was more simple :) |
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| 05:02.17 | markybob | dob1: np. sometimes you just have to bitch slap it a bit :) |
| 05:02.37 | dob1 | markybob: lol |
| 05:03.16 | jetscreamer | it's bitchslap |
| 05:03.29 | jetscreamer | a verb |
| 05:03.36 | markybob | jetscreamer: i'll learn english better if you learn portuguese. deal? |
| 05:03.48 | jetscreamer | after i finish my spanish |
| 05:04.02 | jetscreamer | it's only been.... lemme count |
| 05:04.08 | rahul | heh |
| 05:04.13 | jetscreamer | how old are you in 6th grade? |
| 05:04.18 | jetscreamer | 11? |
| 05:04.24 | jetscreamer | 31 years |
| 05:04.30 | jetscreamer | no... 36 |
| 05:04.32 | rahul | if I went to 6th grade now, I'd be 26 |
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| 05:04.40 | markybob | heh |
| 05:04.51 | rahul | that's how old I _am_ in 6th grade now |
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| 05:05.13 | jetscreamer | my spanish still sucks after 35 or so years... guess it's not my forte |
| 05:05.24 | rahul | maybe it's your piano. |
| 05:05.31 | markybob | really, though, you americans certainly are fun :) heh |
| 05:05.34 | jetscreamer | my piano is much better |
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| 05:05.43 | ivx | hey i am on etch, and went to pull multiple ips, then when i trie to restart networking it says: SIOCDELERT no such process, what does that mean |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | markybob: you're an american too! |
| 05:05.51 | rahul | haha |
| 05:05.52 | markybob | Guerin: no this again |
| 05:05.54 | markybob | lol |
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| 05:06.57 | jetscreamer | ivx: i would actually wager money if you change allow-hotplug to auto, in /etc/network/interfaces, and reboot the box, it won't do that.. but i'm not sure. i would actually wager money on it though. |
| 05:07.06 | Wyzard | ivx: sounds like it's trying to delete an entry from the routing table (probably the one corresponding to the network address from one of your IPs) and no such route exists |
| 05:07.52 | GhostlyDeath | http://pastebin.ca/430683 <-- How would I fix this? |
| 05:07.57 | jetscreamer | hey i need to test that shit in the stable release i bet it still does it to me everytime |
| 05:08.21 | ivx | jetscreamer, i am using the config from http://www.servepath.com/support/debian_ip_configuration.htm where would i write that in |
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| 05:09.06 | markybob | ok...i'd actually like a debian developer to answer this for me. what's the deal with the remaining rc bugs? did the mighty release managers just decide that they werent serious enough, or what? i was surprised to see etch release with 24 remaining rc bugs |
| 05:09.08 | jetscreamer | ivx: if you are then allow-hotplug isn't there and i would lose money |
| 05:09.11 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 05:09.35 | jetscreamer | markybob: i saw somebody type that those are actually sid bugs... i don't know though |
| 05:09.38 | ivx | is it still to late to bet? |
| 05:09.39 | Wyzard | markybob: I was surprised by that too |
| 05:09.48 | markybob | jetscreamer: those people are idiots. that's not the case |
| 05:09.58 | cliffstah | hi, I wonder if someone could help me out of a little situation.. I tried to ugprade a package, hadn't noticed etch was even out.. anyway, long story short my kernel was removed (!) and I've done the dist ugprade, but now I need to re-instate the kernel and i don't know which package I need =/ |
| 05:10.32 | Wyzard | cliffstah: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:10.40 | cliffstah | there are lots |
| 05:10.41 | Wyzard | cliffstah: or if you've upgraded to etch, linux-image |
| 05:10.44 | cliffstah | ooh |
| 05:11.01 | cliffstah | which is the correct one for my install? plain old x86 |
| 05:11.15 | cliffstah | e.g. which would be installed if I had just installed etch afresh |
| 05:11.15 | hark | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 05:11.20 | cliffstah | awesome, thankye |
| 05:11.24 | Wyzard | -686 will work unless it's a Pentium Classic or older |
| 05:11.29 | hark | or 386 |
| 05:11.33 | Wyzard | -k7 is appropriate for AMD processors |
| 05:11.38 | markybob | Wyzard: then again, i'm still bitter that one of my bugs werent taken seriously enough to be rc :) |
| 05:11.43 | cliffstah | its a 686+ |
| 05:11.51 | cliffstah | thanks guys, nearly had a heart attack |
| 05:11.55 | Wyzard | -386 will work on anything, but has shortcomings like not fully supporting pthreads |
| 05:11.56 | cliffstah | all I did was install ruby gems |
| 05:12.01 | hark | markybob: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=229913&cid=18654143 |
| 05:12.09 | hark | makes sense.. |
| 05:13.26 | cliffstah | I assume I still need to run lilo etc. after this has completed? |
| 05:13.35 | Wyzard | If you're using lilo, then yes |
| 05:13.37 | markybob | hark: i'm not sure i agree with "The few remaining issues are new bugs that has just recently surfaces and hasn't yet been analyzed." ....but i guess that doesnt matter since i'm not a release manager |
| 05:13.38 | cliffstah | may even be grub |
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| 05:13.41 | Wyzard | grub is preferable over lilo though |
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| 05:13.43 | cliffstah | great, thanks Wyzard |
| 05:13.48 | Wyzard | and that doesn't need to be re-installed when you change kernels |
| 05:13.49 | cliffstah | it is grub =) |
| 05:13.53 | cliffstah | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 05:13.55 | ivx | wyzard, so what are you saying the problem is, the ip doesn't exsist with my isp? |
| 05:14.43 | cliffstah | scared of rebooting this now =P |
| 05:14.43 | Wyzard | ivx: no, it's entirely local to your machine |
| 05:14.54 | cliffstah | what's the time in san diego? |
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| 05:15.14 | ivx | wyzard, so what do i need to do to fix this? |
| 05:15.16 | markybob | cliffstah: time.gov |
| 05:15.17 | hark | cliffstah: google it |
| 05:15.21 | Wyzard | ivx: Each IP has an associated route, for reaching machines in the same network address |
| 05:15.30 | rennen01 | hello all |
| 05:15.50 | Wyzard | ivx: i.e. if you put 192.168.0.1/24 on eth0, you'll also get a route saying that the IP range 192.168.0.0/24 is reachable through eth0 |
| 05:15.52 | cliffstah | that was more of a rhetorical comment for my own satisfaction, it's cool you can sit down now ;-) |
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| 05:16.11 | Wyzard | ivx: When you remove the IP from the interface, it'll try to remove the associated route too |
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| 05:16.47 | jetscreamer | time.nist.gov |
| 05:17.07 | jetscreamer | nmn |
| 05:17.34 | tonsofpcs | tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 05:17.58 | markybob | neither of those links work |
| 05:18.15 | tonsofpcs | which links? |
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| 05:18.19 | Cybersoft | is in your country, inappropriately touching you |
| 05:18.23 | Cybersoft | ...with a snake. |
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| 05:18.36 | zophy__ | dpkg is ignoring me |
| 05:18.40 | zophy__ | time.microsoft.com |
| 05:18.42 | markybob | tonsofpcs: the last two posted. your navy link and jescreamers's nist |
| 05:18.52 | tonsofpcs | markybob: those aren't links, they're time servers |
| 05:18.54 | hark | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=time%20in%20san%20diego |
| 05:18.55 | tonsofpcs | try telnetting to them |
| 05:18.59 | markybob | tonsofpcs: ah |
| 05:19.17 | tonsofpcs | i forget the port though |
| 05:19.17 | markybob | in that case, i stand by my web page of time.gov ;) |
| 05:19.17 | tonsofpcs | 123 i think |
| 05:19.25 | tonsofpcs | markybob: ewww, use tycho.usno.navy.mil |
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| 05:19.37 | markybob | tonsofpcs: were you actually in the navy? |
| 05:19.44 | tonsofpcs | no |
| 05:19.50 | tonsofpcs | it's the time service department website |
| 05:20.01 | tonsofpcs | http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ |
| 05:20.14 | Cybersoft | tonsofpcs- you can't use that timeserver if you aren't an active military personnel |
| 05:20.38 | hark | markybob: guess they actually had to start somewhere, but it'd been better to get all these bugs fixed.. at least a single digit or so |
| 05:20.40 | tonsofpcs | Cybersoft: last I checked it was open.... they may have closed it again |
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| 05:21.20 | hark | markybob: and there's still a lot of bugs which they haven't deemed critical as such |
| 05:21.35 | markybob | hark: like mine. fuckers :) |
| 05:21.36 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, it's open for MIL, GOV, and stratum 2... |
| 05:21.43 | tonsofpcs | well, I can still use it here ;) |
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| 05:22.19 | hark | heh, no one wants to be the one responsible for holding back a release ;) |
| 05:22.51 | tonsofpcs | btw, tick and tock are the MASTER time servers ;) |
| 05:22.58 | tonsofpcs | http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2a.html has a nice list of a few |
| 05:23.07 | zophy_ | is there a new name for testing ? |
| 05:23.18 | hark | !topicsmite zophy_ |
| 05:23.18 | Phil4 | read the topic zophy_ |
| 05:23.18 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon zophy_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:24.09 | cliffstah | ok.. did dist-upgrade, did update, installed kernel image, ran update-grub.. |
| 05:24.29 | cliffstah | only 1 thing left to do.. *crosses fingers* |
| 05:24.36 | Phil4 | rebooooot |
| 05:24.36 | Phil4 | :P |
| 05:24.40 | cliffstah | =/ |
| 05:24.42 | cliffstah | I dont wanna |
| 05:24.45 | hark | you don't have to manually run update-grub |
| 05:24.47 | Phil4 | lol |
| 05:24.58 | cliffstah | oh ok |
| 05:25.06 | cliffstah | someone hold my hand, I'm scared.. |
| 05:25.14 | hark | !comfort cliffstah |
| 05:25.14 | dpkg | There, there, cliffstah. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:25.17 | cliffstah | haha |
| 05:25.18 | cliffstah | thanks |
| 05:25.20 | jetscreamer | !... dang beat me |
| 05:25.22 | cliffstah | lmfao |
| 05:25.26 | cliffstah | that I didn't expect.. |
| 05:25.47 | Cybersoft | dpkg- are you going to inappropriatly touch cliffstah now ? |
| 05:26.00 | jetscreamer | !sex cliffstah |
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| 05:26.00 | dpkg | cliffstah is about 79% vegetable |
| 05:26.01 | hark | don't tempt dpkg ;) |
| 05:26.04 | cliffstah | =O |
| 05:26.18 | zophy_ | anyone have an idea about how unstable Lenny is? |
| 05:26.33 | jetscreamer | atm as stable as etch i believe |
| 05:26.37 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:26.37 | markybob | zophy_ testing and stable are pretty much exactly the same right now. not for long, though |
| 05:26.46 | cliffstah | ok here goes.. I need some more love dpkg *squints* |
| 05:26.57 | Phil4 | I ran etch for the last 6 months or so |
| 05:26.58 | jetscreamer | !debian-bots |
| 05:26.59 | dpkg | hmm... debian-bots is #debian-bots where little kids play with their toys. |
| 05:27.01 | Phil4 | never had an issue |
| 05:27.04 | cliffstah | and there goes my ssh connection |
| 05:27.22 | Wyzard | You were upgrading a remote box? |
| 05:27.24 | jetscreamer | Phil4: lenny hasn't had enough time to differ from etch yet |
| 05:27.28 | cliffstah | if this works and everything's fine, you're all in for a friendly ass raping |
| 05:27.31 | jetscreamer | was the point |
| 05:27.35 | Phil4 | indeed jetscreamer |
| 05:27.38 | jetscreamer | !fuck cliffstah |
| 05:27.46 | jetscreamer | oh yeah that one is gone |
| 05:27.46 | Phil4 | but I belive testing is certainly stable enough for use |
| 05:27.51 | cliffstah | yup Wyzard, fortunately there's a great team of guys at the other end ready to fix my fuxups ;-) |
| 05:27.53 | hark | use ~ |
| 05:27.57 | jetscreamer | i always have believed that |
| 05:28.00 | jetscreamer | apt! |
| 05:28.04 | Wyzard | cliffstah: OK, as long as it's not unattended |
| 05:28.05 | markybob | uh, yeah, but you have to define use |
| 05:28.05 | jetscreamer | ~fuck cliffstah |
| 05:28.08 | zophy_ | i hate it when the connection drops during a remote upgrade |
| 05:28.09 | cliffstah | woohoo |
| 05:28.10 | cliffstah | it's back |
| 05:28.13 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:28.16 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 05:28.19 | markybob | "that depends on what your definition of is is" |
| 05:28.25 | hark | apt?? |
| 05:28.34 | jetscreamer | simonrvn changed ravenbirds callsign |
| 05:28.40 | jetscreamer | ~ used to do apt |
| 05:28.45 | cliffstah | lol zophy_.. during the upgrade one of the packages wanted to kill ssh.. |
| 05:29.00 | zophy_ | hah |
| 05:29.08 | zophy_ | silly me |
| 05:29.21 | cliffstah | thankyou guys, really =) |
| 05:29.28 | cliffstah | mucho appreciato |
| 05:29.29 | zophy_ | i had to delete the db lock file |
| 05:29.37 | jetscreamer | you liked it when ravenbird did that eh |
| 05:29.41 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 05:29.49 | jetscreamer | goooooaaaaaal! |
| 05:30.09 | jetscreamer | oh wait i broke my rule |
| 05:30.14 | jetscreamer | it's not tardday |
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| 05:30.55 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
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| 05:31.20 | YogSothoth | I try to apt-get update but I get: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 05:31.34 | YogSothoth | So I tried this: wget -q http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Release.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:31.54 | markybob | !A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 05:31.54 | dpkg | [a70daf536070d3a1] see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10285, or see http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 05:31.56 | YogSothoth | But it says: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 05:32.13 | digijohn | Hi; I've been using etch. If I change 'etch' to 'testing' in my sources.list, there shouldn't be any major changes right now, right? |
| 05:32.26 | Wyzard | correct |
| 05:32.27 | YogSothoth | thanks markybob, I check that immediatly |
| 05:32.31 | markybob | digijohn: right. for now |
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| 05:32.32 | hark | right *now* yes |
| 05:32.36 | digijohn | okay, thanks |
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| 05:33.11 | Cybersoft | hetscreamer- its not nice to leave after I started a conversation with you |
| 05:33.13 | Cybersoft | in fact |
| 05:33.18 | Cybersoft | if you do it again, your dead |
| 05:33.45 | YogSothoth | markybob, I don't get it: it seems related to some multimedia package. I don't have any, it's a production web server? |
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| 05:34.19 | markybob | !no public key |
| 05:34.20 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 05:34.22 | markybob | YogSothoth: try that |
| 05:35.14 | hark | install debian-archive-keyring |
| 05:35.39 | YogSothoth | In installed debian-archive-keyring |
| 05:35.49 | cliffstah | <3 ty again, stay cool |
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| 05:36.00 | YogSothoth | It seems to have fixed something but now I get W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge) |
| 05:36.12 | YogSothoth | Isn't Sarge supposed to *be* stable? |
| 05:36.19 | markybob | YogSothoth: no |
| 05:36.20 | Guerin | YogSothoth: sarge is now oldstable |
| 05:36.31 | Wyzard | I've gotten that too, but it seems to be harmless |
| 05:36.40 | Wyzard | probably mirrors that haven't updated their symlinks yet |
| 05:36.53 | markybob | YogSothoth: you'll be ok, though. stable will very soon change to etch (should've happened already, actually). |
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| 05:37.07 | Cybersoft | and everywhere I go, theres always something to remind me, that Im funding al-qaida |
| 05:37.22 | YogSothoth | ok. I was not aware eft was already released |
| 05:37.26 | markybob | Cybersoft: then stop doing drugs |
| 05:37.28 | Guerin | Cybersoft: don't worry, so is everyone else |
| 05:37.39 | markybob | YogSothoth: /topic |
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| 05:37.57 | militant | um what is it... !nvidia ? |
| 05:38.09 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:38.10 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
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| 05:38.34 | tonsofpcs | so is etch 'stable' or 'unstable' ? |
| 05:38.34 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 05:38.40 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 05:38.41 | markybob | tonsofpcs: etch = stable |
| 05:38.54 | peterS | tonsofpcs: etch is now stable. yesterday sarge was. |
| 05:39.37 | sineer | tonsofpcs, don't you read /. every mins with a nick like that? |
| 05:39.46 | jetscreamer | sid is always unstable |
| 05:39.48 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 05:39.51 | tonsofpcs | ah, ok |
| 05:40.08 | tonsofpcs | so if i run updates and upgrades, will my sarge box up itself to etch or will it stay happy? |
| 05:40.24 | jetscreamer | update, happy, dist-upgrade, maybe happy |
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| 05:40.33 | HymnToLife | depends if you have "sarge" or "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 05:40.38 | MrWGW | congratulations |
| 05:40.41 | tonsofpcs | I should probably check that.... |
| 05:40.41 | jetscreamer | change stable to sarge if you want to stay sarge |
| 05:40.44 | jetscreamer | in sources |
| 05:40.48 | jetscreamer | sources.list |
| 05:40.52 | MrWGW | I am thrilled that Etch has been released, I'm going to attempt to download it immediately |
| 05:40.56 | MrWGW | hopefully before the rush intensifies |
| 05:40.57 | jetscreamer | or oldstable |
| 05:40.58 | tonsofpcs | now to remember where sources.list hides on this thing.... |
| 05:41.04 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt |
| 05:41.11 | tonsofpcs | ty |
| 05:41.17 | HymnToLife | damn, I thought everyone had been running etch for months :p |
| 05:41.26 | militant | one-liner doesn't worok in etch |
| 05:41.26 | jetscreamer | not servers |
| 05:41.36 | markybob | HymnToLife: you'd be crazy to run a production server on anything besides stable |
| 05:41.36 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:41.37 | HymnToLife | servers don't count :p |
| 05:41.52 | markybob | HymnToLife: aside from that being debian's largest user base? sure |
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| 05:42.15 | MrWGW | wouldn't that to some extent depend on what the server was for marky? |
| 05:42.30 | tonsofpcs | ok, it's happily 'sarge' instead of 'stable' |
| 05:42.32 | markybob | MrWGW: no. you're an idiot to run non-stable on any server. if you must, you backport |
| 05:42.46 | MrWGW | for example, if it was a webserver that just served HTML pages with no ecommerce or other really sensitive stuff |
| 05:42.47 | jetscreamer | maybe a personal server |
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| 05:42.52 | MrWGW | wouldn't it be OK to use non-stable? |
| 05:42.52 | tonsofpcs | yay backports! :D |
| 05:43.04 | lepine_h | has anyone went through an upgrade from sarge to etch, while having some backports installed? |
| 05:43.07 | jetscreamer | it's dumb though, too many holes |
| 05:43.19 | lepine_h | eg, mysql* and php5* ? |
| 05:43.22 | YogSothoth | What should I install exactly if I want my clock to be synchronized with a time server? |
| 05:43.30 | lepine_h | ntp-date |
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| 05:43.33 | jetscreamer | !ntp |
| 05:43.34 | dpkg | i heard ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 05:43.37 | MrWGW | btw is 4.0 r0 the stable release? |
| 05:43.38 | tonsofpcs | jetscreamer: my personal server serves irc, naim, and centericq [for Y! and MSN] (and sometimes ices or vlc stream serves). It runs sarge because sarge == stable. |
| 05:43.45 | militant | seriously, what's the deal with the one-liner and etch? |
| 05:43.45 | markybob | MrWGW: yes |
| 05:43.50 | MrWGW | ok |
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| 05:43.52 | tonsofpcs | MrWGW: http://www.debian.org/CD/ << that says yes |
| 05:44.02 | jetscreamer | militant: i don't know, let me know if you want to use the nvidia binary |
| 05:44.26 | MrWGW | now if I can just find a torrent or HTTP download of it... |
| 05:44.34 | militant | i know it's 'tainted' and all but the binary works pretty dang well? |
| 05:44.39 | MrWGW | or FTP |
| 05:44.49 | jetscreamer | it does for me, ymmv |
| 05:44.49 | YogSothoth | ntpdate and ntp is it enough? Do I have to configure something? |
| 05:44.51 | markybob | MrWGW: http://linuxtracker.org/ |
| 05:45.09 | militant | jetscreamer, ok, i'm down for it. |
| 05:45.15 | MrWGW | thanks marky |
| 05:45.20 | militant | it's a geforce3 and it worked well on sarge |
| 05:45.23 | markybob | YogSothoth: should run itself if its installed |
| 05:45.23 | YogSothoth | thanks jetscreamer |
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| 05:45.37 | lepine_h | YogSothoth yeah ... you need to automate it via a cron job ... which i think the installer does ... but you have to set it to a server close to you |
| 05:45.49 | YogSothoth | yes it does, and it seems my clock has been updated automaticaly. So I don't have to configure a NTP server? |
| 05:45.55 | jetscreamer | militant: get root. kill x. paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && mkdir /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN |
| 05:46.00 | markybob | YogSothoth: no |
| 05:46.05 | markybob | YogSothoth: it's automatic |
| 05:46.08 | triplc | hi all, anyone know how to make Wacom to run in ETCH, I run dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source, but it fails |
| 05:46.09 | YogSothoth | cool |
| 05:46.18 | lepine_h | YogSothoth: , you dont need to run a time server yourself ... but you need to tell the client which servers to poll |
| 05:46.21 | YogSothoth | lepine_h, where can I find a server close to me? |
| 05:46.31 | markybob | lepine_h: you dont need to do shit |
| 05:46.34 | lepine_h | huh? |
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| 05:46.43 | lepine_h | is there some sort of forwarding system? |
| 05:46.44 | markybob | YogSothoth: forget that. you dont *need* to do anything |
| 05:46.53 | lepine_h | markybob: , please exaplain |
| 05:47.06 | militant | jetscreamer, cool, but x won't die. i forget how i changed it to NOT run x at boot on sarge |
| 05:47.06 | MrWGW | btw this question will sound really stupid, but I don't normally use torrents |
| 05:47.07 | markybob | lepine_h: there's nothing to explain. default config is suitable for 99% of users |
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| 05:47.19 | MrWGW | is a leecher someone who is strictly downloading without also sharing their download concurrently? |
| 05:47.22 | MrWGW | essentially, an abuser? |
| 05:47.32 | jetscreamer | militant: /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? xdm? kdm? |
| 05:47.38 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt bckspace? |
| 05:47.39 | lepine_h | markybob ... but how can the isntaller know which server to use? |
| 05:47.46 | markybob | MrWGW: yes. and most trackers slow you down significantly if you dont have a share ratio of 0.5 or more |
| 05:47.54 | LeeJunFan | I trust I don't NEED more than the first CD to get an installed system? And afterward can apt packages I want to install? |
| 05:47.55 | militant | jetscreamer, i want it to *permanently* stop loading x at boot |
| 05:47.59 | lepine_h | i know a few MS doesn't change the world, but it would seem suboptimal no? |
| 05:48.34 | jetscreamer | militant: remove kdm/gdm/xdm is the 'approved' method, me i just chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever i want |
| 05:48.38 | zenwryly | Is there a way to run the installer |
| 05:48.39 | MrWGW | I'm using Opera as my torrent client and have never messed with the settings |
| 05:48.48 | zenwryly | errr... |
| 05:48.51 | zenwryly | sorry hit return |
| 05:49.00 | militant | ok hang |
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| 05:49.19 | markybob | lepine_h: the default config has a pool of servers that it uses. as long as you set your timezone correctly during install, you'll be fine |
| 05:49.20 | zenwryly | Is there a way to run the installer step that sets up the bootloader and detects other OSes? |
| 05:49.23 | MrWGW | so hopefully that won't get me into trouble |
| 05:50.05 | lepine_h | ah! and by correctly configured time zone ... it would mean selecting a specific city ... eg GMT -5 EST / North America / Canada / Montreal for example |
| 05:50.11 | lepine_h | makes perfect sense, thanks |
| 05:50.20 | markybob | lepine_h: yes. np |
| 05:50.29 | tonsofpcs | UTC != GMT |
| 05:50.31 | YogSothoth | thanks lepine_h, thanks markybob. Yes my tz is set properly. |
| 05:50.40 | markybob | YogSothoth: np |
| 05:50.53 | YogSothoth | tonsofpcs, why? |
| 05:51.04 | tonsofpcs | 2007-04-09 01:51:09.816405000 UTC-0400(1176097869)y2007w15d099 |
| 05:51.20 | tonsofpcs | YogSothoth: because they're different.... it's the definition of != |
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| 05:51.46 | YogSothoth | Wikipedia: For most practical and legal-trade purposes, the fractional difference between UTC and UT (or GMT) is inconsequentially small, and for this reason UTC is colloquially called GMT sometimes, even if this is not technically correct. |
| 05:52.09 | markybob | besides, any real server should be set to utc |
| 05:52.24 | tonsofpcs | this is not technically correct. |
| 05:52.26 | lepine_h | YogSothoth thanks for pointing that out ... |
| 05:52.26 | tonsofpcs | ^^^ |
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| 05:52.27 | militant | jetscreamer, word, it's doin its thing now |
| 05:52.50 | tonsofpcs | and the difference can approach 2 seconds although in practice it has never hit a full second |
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| 05:53.11 | deepsa | any websites written reviews for etch so far? |
| 05:53.11 | twobitsprite | so... I switched window managers, and my system is still freezing... none of the alt-sysrq commands work except for alt-sysrq-b (reboot)... |
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| 05:53.17 | deepsa | i would like to see the new installer |
| 05:53.25 | YogSothoth | Well I can deal with 1 sec, even 2 :-) |
| 05:53.27 | twobitsprite | I can't alt-sysrq-K to kill the x process |
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| 05:54.02 | militant | jetscreamer, no go. says my geforce3 isn't supported. lemme find the right version #'s and try again.. |
| 05:55.05 | twobitsprite | it's really wierd though... because first my mouse will freeze, and the keyboard will still respond for a while... then when I try to c-m-f2 to get to a vterm nothing happens except the keyboard stops responding too |
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| 05:55.44 | Cybersoft | who here is from europe ? |
| 05:55.50 | Cybersoft | I want to do a little test |
| 05:56.11 | twobitsprite | does anyone have any idea what might be wrong??? please, this is driving me crazy |
| 05:56.14 | deepsa | ya |
| 05:56.20 | tonsofpcs | Cybersoft: what is the test? |
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| 05:56.31 | twobitsprite | I'm on an amd64 with nvidia chipset and nvidia video |
| 05:56.42 | twobitsprite | could it be a bad driver? |
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| 05:57.14 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 05:57.14 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 05:57.16 | Cybersoft | tonsofpcs- are you from europe ? |
| 05:57.25 | casa-nova | guys what was the terminal command to start X configurator in debian again? |
| 05:57.27 | markybob | twobitsprite: try using nv driver instead of nvidia and that'll show you if it's driver specific |
| 05:57.31 | Tallu | I am as well, but you might want to tell us more first |
| 05:57.31 | casa-nova | (i jsut isntalled sarge) |
| 05:57.38 | tonsofpcs | Cybersoft: depends on what you mean by 'from europe |
| 05:57.40 | tonsofpcs | ' |
| 05:57.52 | Gnea | !drxx |
| 05:57.52 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 05:57.54 | Cybersoft | tonsofpcs- are you currently living and working in europe ? |
| 05:57.56 | casa-nova | I think it can be done also via debian configuration |
| 05:58.03 | casa-nova | what was the command to start that one |
| 05:58.12 | casa-nova | ah ok thanks |
| 05:58.18 | tonsofpcs | Cybersoft: no |
| 05:58.41 | twobitsprite | markybob: I was running "nv" at first, and it did the same thing, and now I'm on nvidia |
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| 05:59.09 | dob1 | i upgraded from sarge to etch, the only thing at the end of the upgrade that doesn't work is squid, the configuration file is the same but it gives me always invalid request, i don't know why |
| 05:59.10 | markybob | twobitsprite: so it's obviously not a bad driver thing, like you asked |
| 05:59.12 | twobitsprite | Gnea: are you saying I should go to the #debian-amd64 channel? |
| 05:59.28 | Cybersoft | most of you are americans then ? |
| 05:59.30 | twobitsprite | markybob: I was talking about maybe chipset drivers... kernel modules... |
| 05:59.43 | Gnea | twobitsprite: well, you did mention you're running the amd64 version of debian, right? |
| 05:59.45 | militant | damn this is having all sorts of issues. |
| 05:59.46 | markybob | twobitsprite: yes...which nvidia *is* ... |
| 06:00.16 | Tallu | Cybersoft: oh. some of us are european. but seeing as you didnt really point out the nature of the test or how long it'd take or what it was for, i'm not sure you'll get a lot of volunteers. ;) |
| 06:00.30 | markybob | dob1: damn, man. i think you might be having the longest sarge->etch upgrade so far :) all sorts of little problems |
| 06:00.39 | twobitsprite | eh... it's getting late, I'll have to figure this out later |
| 06:00.41 | twobitsprite | thanks though |
| 06:00.58 | dob1 | markybob: i am at the end, but squid doesn't work... |
| 06:01.04 | markybob | dob1: did you check squid's log in /var/log? |
| 06:01.08 | Cybersoft | Its simple |
| 06:01.11 | lepine_h | sarge -> etch ... apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:01.17 | Cybersoft | lets say there was an offer for a job in portugal |
| 06:01.26 | markybob | lepine_h: yes. and human beings are always kind to each other |
| 06:01.34 | Cybersoft | and the salary is 200 euros per week, which is 2x over the minimum wage here |
| 06:01.40 | Cybersoft | youe employer pays for healthcare |
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| 06:01.52 | dob1 | markybob: the only interestin thing that i have found is this clientReadRequest: FD 12 (192.168.1.2:45243) Invalid Request and i get a page on the browser with the same information |
| 06:02.04 | markybob | Cybersoft: i'd say you'd need to multiply that by 9 or so |
| 06:02.09 | Cybersoft | and he tells you thats its equivalent to earning 10 US$/hour in the US, or 1850 euros/month in france |
| 06:02.29 | Cybersoft | because it can buy the same amount of stuff that youd get with that money in usa or france |
| 06:02.39 | Tallu | Cybersoft: it would be way beneath the normal wages, unless you're mopping the floors etc |
| 06:02.53 | Cybersoft | tallu- minimum wage in portugal is 403 euros a month |
| 06:02.57 | Tallu | Cybersoft: how challenging would the job be? |
| 06:03.00 | lepine_h | markybob ... i didn't get the reference |
| 06:03.23 | Cybersoft | tallu- and the average rent for a decent apartment in evora is about 150 euros a month |
| 06:03.30 | markybob | lepine_h: the way things "should" be and the way things are, are often quite different |
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| 06:04.29 | Cybersoft | tallu- and your pay, as said before is, 200 euros per week, which is about 875 euros a month, 2x the minimum wage |
| 06:04.50 | markybob | Cybersoft: no offense, but you really shouldnt be hiring from irc. that's a little silly |
| 06:05.15 | Cybersoft | which mean something like a 3 1/2 rooms apartment in evora (and about 500 euros left for groceries, bill etc) |
| 06:05.42 | Cybersoft | markybob- Im not , Im testing a theory |
| 06:05.43 | GhostlyDeath | How do you find the serial of a CD? |
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| 06:06.00 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: serial? what do you mean? md5? |
| 06:06.04 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 06:06.12 | GhostlyDeath | yknow how Drives had serials? |
| 06:06.44 | Cybersoft | markybob- I want to see if normal peoples understand the concept of wage and cost of living |
| 06:07.14 | Cybersoft | and how making a less good wage in a country where everything cost less is equivalent to earning more in a place with an higher cost of living |
| 06:07.15 | lepine_h | ah, ok, so you were suggesting a bumpy upgrade |
| 06:07.27 | \amethyst | Cybersoft: unless you want to buy stuff like computer equipment |
| 06:07.37 | Cybersoft | lepine_h- yeah, like you start from a minimum wage job in the usa |
| 06:08.05 | Cybersoft | and your offered a job at 200 euros a week in evora, portugal (which is 2.5x the minimum wage there) |
| 06:08.09 | lepine_h | Cybersoft: , that was destined to markybob concerning the sarge -> etch |
| 06:08.23 | Tallu | Cybersoft: i dont think too many would take you up on that offer, because well, getting more for the little money you get there would still leave them with less to spend than they would have here. for someone just starting to work, making a lot less money than the 1800 in france you mentioned, it could be a good deal |
| 06:08.34 | jetscreamer | LeeJunFan: no you don't.serial number |
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| 06:08.44 | markybob | lepine_h: i'm saying that i've had to help plenty of people "force" their upgrade today, yes :) |
| 06:08.56 | lepine_h | hehe, gotcha |
| 06:09.03 | Cybersoft | I know that for most things it would cost the same, and youd have less money |
| 06:09.10 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 06:09.12 | Cybersoft | but basic necessities would be cost much less |
| 06:09.15 | jetscreamer | serial number |
| 06:09.17 | Cybersoft | like rent, groceries, bills etc |
| 06:09.24 | Cybersoft | *would cost less |
| 06:09.35 | Tallu | Cybersoft: yes but you must understand that 1800 in france isnt much |
| 06:09.40 | lepine_h | Cybersoft ... i must agree with everyone here that doign HR in IRC isnt the best thing. there's the trust issue, first and foremost |
| 06:10.19 | Tallu | This is way off topic anyway |
| 06:10.19 | markybob | lepine_h: true...hang around here enough and you'll quickly learn who knows what they're talking about, though. bs is pretty easy to pick up on :) |
| 06:10.25 | Cybersoft | lepine_h- erm, for the third time, Im not hiring anybody |
| 06:10.51 | lepine_h | oh, well, from the excerpts i've read, it sounded like it, sorry about that. |
| 06:11.00 | militant | jetscreamer, i'm gettin all kinds of crap except success with this nvidia stuff. i'm not sure where to even start |
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| 06:11.33 | jetscreamer | militant: do --uninstall then |
| 06:11.36 | lepine_h | if you want my 2 cents ... given i had gone past the trust issue, i wouldn't mind working for a company based in a country where the cost of living is higher than where i live. |
| 06:11.43 | Cybersoft | Im just wondering if Ill be able to buy much more stuff with my savings if I move to a country with an average wage that is like 1/10 of the the one in my country |
| 06:12.08 | Cybersoft | (expecting that most thing will cost 1/10 too) |
| 06:12.23 | \amethyst | Cybersoft: Were you spending 90% of your money on necessities before? |
| 06:12.26 | militant | jetscreamer, it's not installing at all. |
| 06:12.33 | markybob | Cybersoft: it very much depends on what you mean by stuff. for example, in brazil, computers and tv's are easily 2-5x more expensive than the US, but clothing and food are far cheaper |
| 06:12.35 | lepine_h | markybob: hehe i've been here a bit, but i haven't had time to see who's who ... in time it will come |
| 06:12.37 | jetscreamer | militant: oh well |
| 06:12.46 | jetscreamer | it didn't break anything at least |
| 06:13.00 | woodgrain | I just did a smooth (!) netinst. System is booted w/ working dhcp hookup ... how do I complete the installation? |
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| 06:13.20 | jetscreamer | militant: do you have things like libncurses5-dev and build-essential ? |
| 06:13.26 | militant | hell if i know |
| 06:13.28 | militant | i'm lost/frustrated |
| 06:13.33 | lepine_h | woodgrain: remote install ... on a DHCP network ... thats asking for a disaster! |
| 06:13.33 | zenwryly | Is there a way to run the installer step that sets up the bootloader and detects other OSes, on an existing installation I mean? |
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| 06:13.44 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install libncurses5-dev build-essential |
| 06:13.46 | woodgrain | lepine_h, no not remote install. |
| 06:13.49 | Cybersoft | amethyst- I was thinking of something along the line of moving to morocco |
| 06:13.51 | lepine_h | unless you have physical access of course |
| 06:13.55 | jetscreamer | two packages that everybody should have imo |
| 06:13.56 | lepine_h | oh, ooof :P |
| 06:14.06 | woodgrain | lepine_h, just trying to get X and gnome, for example. |
| 06:14.11 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 06:14.11 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:14.11 | lepine_h | ah, ok |
| 06:14.21 | Cybersoft | amethyst- because my montly salary is the one a specialist doctor make there |
| 06:14.40 | Cybersoft | amethyst- obviously I would be able to buy 10x more for the same money |
| 06:14.44 | jetscreamer | the commute would be hell though |
| 06:15.15 | Cybersoft | well, I was thinking about living on the interests |
| 06:15.19 | woodgrain | lepine_h, do I do a tasksel? |
| 06:15.28 | jetscreamer | militant: paste the errors somewhere if you feel like |
| 06:15.28 | GhostlyDeath | Does anybody know how I can get the serial number off a CD? |
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| 06:15.33 | Cybersoft | even if it's low, its a lot of money for morocco |
| 06:15.34 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 06:15.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 06:15.49 | \amethyst | Cybersoft: You're betting against globalization, might be a losing proposition in the long run |
| 06:15.52 | lepine_h | woodgrain: i don't know what to tell you. |
| 06:15.53 | numan | mneptok: u there? |
| 06:15.59 | jetscreamer | GhostlyDeath: isn't it inscribed on the inner ring? |
| 06:16.02 | \amethyst | Cybersoft: but in the long run you're dead |
| 06:16.03 | woodgrain | lepine_h, okay, will keep reading. thx |
| 06:16.10 | lepine_h | i usually dont ... as i need trim setups ... and dont use debian on the desktop |
| 06:16.23 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: There's a barcode and numbers |
| 06:16.26 | Tallu | Cybersoft: you also need to remember that if you ever want to come back your money wont be worth a thing, i mean, you won't really have savings |
| 06:16.37 | jetscreamer | GhostlyDeath: the numbers are the ser num, i think |
| 06:16.39 | militant | jetscreamer, that solved the first half of the issue, pasting the 2nd set of errors now |
| 06:16.42 | lepine_h | so i just prefer installing BIND and whatever manually instead of going for either a straight lamp stack or DNS server |
| 06:16.46 | numan | i got this after i booted from alternate cd-->http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00551vj1.jpg |
| 06:16.50 | Cybersoft | tallu- the interests from the fund would be in the foreign currency |
| 06:16.55 | lepine_h | i might be mixing up ubuntu in there |
| 06:16.59 | Cybersoft | and I would exchange it for morroccan money |
| 06:17.09 | militant | jetscreamer, http://channels.debian.net/paste/6000 |
| 06:17.12 | Cybersoft | my local currency is worth a lot compared to morrocco money |
| 06:17.30 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:17.41 | lepine_h | Cybersoft your currency being worth alot doesn't mean you should change it for something else |
| 06:17.45 | jetscreamer | militant: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:18.23 | Cybersoft | lepine_h- no I mean, interest would be drawn from a savings account that is in a foreign currency |
| 06:18.40 | Cybersoft | then I would convert those interests to the morrocan currency |
| 06:18.42 | jetscreamer | militant: if it says 'not found' when you try to install it, you might wanna do the kernel upgrade thing, you're still running a sarge kernel probably |
| 06:18.49 | jetscreamer | or compiled it yourself |
| 06:19.00 | lepine_h | Cybersoft, the point being? |
| 06:19.02 | Cybersoft | that way it wont lose its value vs the inflation of the currency its based on |
| 06:19.17 | Cybersoft | (assuming canada doesnt bankrupt in the near future) |
| 06:19.29 | militant | jetscreamer, woot, it's building! and no, i did a clean etch install... oh and it just now died, simply says 'unable to build nvidia kernel module' and nothing else. |
| 06:19.35 | lepine_h | that morrocan money is susceptible to inflation as well |
| 06:19.48 | jetscreamer | militant: less /var/log/nvidia<tab> |
| 06:20.02 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 06:20.08 | lepine_h | if you want to protect against inflation and currency fluctuations ... metals ... such as gold are usually the way to go |
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| 06:20.11 | woodgrain | Hey gang, I just did a successful but incomplete netinst. How do I complete the installation? |
| 06:20.17 | Cybersoft | lepine_h- I know, thats why I would only exchange it on the run |
| 06:20.30 | Cybersoft | lepine- gold is a dangerous proposition in a volatile country like morocco |
| 06:20.30 | jetscreamer | define 'incomplete' |
| 06:20.35 | markybob | woodgrain: uh, for starters, but giving us real details. we're not psychics |
| 06:20.49 | Cybersoft | lepine- you dont want to be flashy when your living in a country like morocco |
| 06:20.56 | lepine_h | volatile, meaning fear of theft |
| 06:21.04 | lepine_h | of course you don't buy it physically |
| 06:21.21 | militant | jetscreamer, ok, i have the error here... need another paste? |
| 06:21.23 | Cybersoft | or some extremists deciding to kill infidels foreigners, especially the flashy westerners with gold |
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| 06:21.29 | jetscreamer | militant: yes |
| 06:21.32 | lepine_h | you can buy it and have it stacked somewhere else |
| 06:21.39 | lepine_h | or just buy it as part of a pool |
| 06:21.42 | jetscreamer | i'm not psychic, as markybob pointed out... :) |
| 06:21.44 | militant | k hang |
| 06:21.51 | cachoo | I am having a strange problem with proftpd, in logs it is showing IPv6 not available, but when I am view netstat output it is only binding to tcp6 no ipv4 is used |
| 06:22.03 | lepine_h | anyway, i don't feel like talking about work :P |
| 06:22.07 | woodgrain | markybob, I did an etch-netinstall iso on i386--> went thru succuessful autodetection and can now boot up thru grub. It's beautiful. But I never installed all the stuff that's not on the netinst iso ... |
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| 06:22.24 | rmrfchik | debian level up! my congragulations! |
| 06:22.27 | rahul | 02:22 [freenode] [deepsa(n=deepsa@unaffiliated/deepsa)] ah. milf. i got the meaning of that jain shit |
| 06:22.30 | rahul | I don't get it |
| 06:22.32 | militant | jetscreamer, http://channels.debian.net/paste/6001 |
| 06:22.44 | markybob | woodgrain: so you're saying what? that you can boot up and login but you're confused about not having a graphical interface? or what? be specific, man! |
| 06:22.44 | jetscreamer | rahul: you know what milf is though eh |
| 06:22.47 | rahul | yeah |
| 06:22.52 | Cybersoft | isnt it better to just take a 50-year bond and collect interests in canadian dollars and convert it to Moroccan dirham as needed? |
| 06:22.55 | rahul | don't get what that has to do with me, heh |
| 06:23.08 | rahul | well, with jain shit |
| 06:23.09 | deepsa | jain is milf |
| 06:23.17 | rahul | heh, ok |
| 06:23.19 | lepine_h | bonds are a safe investment ... but give pretty crappy results |
| 06:23.29 | Cybersoft | 5% is nice enough for me |
| 06:23.35 | rahul | I wouldn't buy long term US bonds right now |
| 06:23.38 | markybob | fuck. this isnt #finance. who gives a fuck? |
| 06:23.41 | lepine_h | if you're a big shot ... what you can do is buy bonds, ask for the interest now ... |
| 06:23.43 | jetscreamer | militant: a gf3 IS supported with the 9755 driver, iirc |
| 06:23.47 | rahul | me |
| 06:23.47 | deepsa | markybob, lol |
| 06:23.48 | lepine_h | and do risky plays on that interest |
| 06:24.10 | jetscreamer | militant: i can only ass-u-me it's the old package you're using.. that's not even the latest legacy package, iirc |
| 06:24.13 | militant | jetscreamer, it claimed it wasn't... hang on lemme run it again |
| 06:24.13 | lepine_h | i don't remember what that technique is called (getting interest before the term) ... but it's possible |
| 06:24.32 | woodgrain | markybob, I don't even have 'less' so it's hard to read something like /etc/apt/sources.list for example. What would be the typical next move after doing a netinst to complete a 'full' generic installation? |
| 06:24.39 | Cybersoft | 5% give me about 800 CAD$ a month |
| 06:24.45 | Cybersoft | thats not much for canada |
| 06:24.47 | jetscreamer | militant: this is a discussion better carried on in #nvidia btw |
| 06:24.52 | militant | ahh ok |
| 06:24.54 | Cybersoft | but for morrocco, its a whole lot of money |
| 06:24.55 | hark | woodgrain: use more? |
| 06:25.03 | markybob | woodgrain: netinst gives you an option during the installer which type of system you want. be it a desktop system, web server, etc. |
| 06:25.08 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:25.17 | markybob | woodgrain: so you pick one. and it installs that. doesnt get much more simple |
| 06:25.21 | rahul | lepine_h: sounds like a strange kind of carry trade to me |
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| 06:25.39 | rahul | you're kind of coupon-weighting the legs on the carry trade |
| 06:25.44 | markybob | woodgrain: either you give specific details of errors, or you try installing again. |
| 06:25.57 | lepine_h | rahul: , not at all ... it's actually as safe as you can be ... you dont risk a single cent ... as you only invest the interest you got |
| 06:26.07 | lepine_h | your 100$ bond is still there and worth 100$ |
| 06:26.11 | rahul | right |
| 06:26.16 | lepine_h | hedgefunds tend to do that |
| 06:26.25 | rahul | hedgies tend to do anything |
| 06:26.35 | lepine_h | anything that'll pay, indeed |
| 06:26.42 | rahul | or anything that won't heh |
| 06:26.52 | lepine_h | er ... |
| 06:26.54 | rahul | depending on what kind of a wonk is running the fund |
| 06:27.00 | cachoo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6002 |
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| 06:27.09 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: I don't think they are the serial numbers |
| 06:27.11 | lepine_h | trust me, hedgefunds are a for profit company ... they dont do losing trades |
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| 06:27.22 | rahul | lepine_h: oh, they don't _think_ they'll lose |
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| 06:27.25 | woodgrain | markybob, okay, thanks. can I use apt or apt-get or something to turn this basic machine into a 'desktop'? |
| 06:27.28 | Cybersoft | something that would cost like 1500 CDN$/month in canada |
| 06:27.39 | lepine_h | rahul, their losses are calculated ... |
| 06:27.43 | Cybersoft | but in morocco it actually cost like 200CDN$/month |
| 06:27.43 | markybob | woodgrain: you can try apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 06:27.48 | rahul | lepine_h: if they bother to calculate them :) |
| 06:28.06 | rahul | if I go to morocco, I live for free :) |
| 06:28.35 | rahul | I'll just go crash at this girl's family's place |
| 06:28.40 | lepine_h | of course they calculate ... that's how a hedgefund works ... place a bunch of diverse trades, some going against each other, stop the losses, and keep the winners going |
| 06:28.54 | markybob | blah blah blah blah blah |
| 06:28.59 | rahul | lepine_h: you're confusing a properly run fund with a random hedgie |
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| 06:29.22 | rahul | there are plenty of good ones and plenty of arses who don't know a trade from a shotgun up their arse |
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| 06:29.26 | markybob | rahul: go smoke some weed or something |
| 06:29.28 | NefariousPrior | Does anyone know if sox(or something like it) can play from STDIN- ?? |
| 06:29.35 | rahul | markybob: already had some heh |
| 06:29.38 | markybob | heh |
| 06:29.39 | xpurple | Does anyone know of a program that will let me spam more than one x server with one keyboard and mouse. |
| 06:29.58 | rahul | xpurple: synergy |
| 06:29.58 | NefariousPrior | xpurple: spam an x server? |
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| 06:30.01 | xpurple | span |
| 06:30.06 | xpurple | lol |
| 06:30.06 | rahul | !spam xpurple |
| 06:30.19 | rahul | anyway, off to bed |
| 06:30.22 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: if you had read the manpage you would know that sox takes - as a filename to mean stdin/stdout, but you must specify the filetype |
| 06:30.23 | xpurple | I remeber a program a while back that could od it, but I don't remember it's name. |
| 06:30.28 | rahul | xpurple: synergy |
| 06:30.31 | xpurple | Yes! |
| 06:30.33 | xpurple | Thank you! |
| 06:30.35 | rahul | xpurple: synergy |
| 06:30.38 | rahul | heh |
| 06:30.40 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: What kind of file do you want to play, anyway? |
| 06:30.43 | woodgrain | markybob, thanks, going back to learn more. thanks. |
| 06:30.45 | NefariousPrior | \amethyst: Have you seen the man page for sox? lol |
| 06:31.12 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: I did /stdin<enter> and found it right away |
| 06:31.19 | NefariousPrior | \amethyst: I'm using festival. e.g. text2wave text.txt | sox |
| 06:31.35 | markybob | NefariousPrior: ...you might wanna...umm... know who you're talking to before you say stuff like that :) just fyi |
| 06:31.50 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: so | sox -t wav - |
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| 06:32.21 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: plus the options for whatever conversion you want sox to do |
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| 06:32.46 | NefariousPrior | I just want it to be played. heh |
| 06:33.49 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: so | play -t wav - |
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| 06:35.58 | GhostlyDeath | What package gets an ISO off a cd? |
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| 06:36.21 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: iso off a cd? umm... dd? k3b? gnomebaker? |
| 06:36.35 | Tallu | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. Uh oh. |
| 06:36.35 | psychonate | Where can I get the keyring for testing so I can authenticate packages? |
| 06:37.07 | aarm_ | What is the best way to upgrade from sarge to etch?....all my apt sources have always been on stable....is that enough to make upgrade or do I need to run dist-upgrade |
| 06:37.17 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 06:37.34 | aarm_ | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 06:37.37 | markybob | aarm_: try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:37.41 | aarm_ | that's what I thought |
| 06:37.54 | jetscreamer | don't you mean psychonate ? |
| 06:38.01 | markybob | psychonate: that was for you |
| 06:38.04 | aarm_ | markybob: what's that going to do for me? |
| 06:38.07 | hark | aarm_: read the etch release notes |
| 06:38.09 | aarm_ | aahh |
| 06:38.16 | markybob | aarm nothing. wrong person |
| 06:38.27 | psychonate | hmm, already newest version |
| 06:38.45 | hark | what key is it asking for? |
| 06:38.58 | psychonate | I'm just trying to dist-upgrade with testing, but it tells me the packages can't be authenticated |
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| 06:39.03 | markybob | psychonate: paste it in pastebin or somewhere |
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| 06:39.14 | aarm_ | hark: thanks that has what im looking for |
| 06:39.23 | hark | are you able to get the release.gpg? |
| 06:39.41 | psychonate | it's just: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 06:39.52 | psychonate | hark, from where? |
| 06:40.01 | psychonate | and/or how |
| 06:40.16 | hark | when you update |
| 06:40.19 | markybob | psychonate: apt-get update |
| 06:40.21 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: Still around? |
| 06:40.28 | markybob | psychonate: it should give you a key # |
| 06:40.32 | jetscreamer | psyche: ignorable error |
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| 06:40.48 | psychonate | Get: 1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release.gpg |
| 06:40.53 | markybob | jetscreamer: eh...i'd like to know packages check out for my servers |
| 06:40.59 | psychonate | seems to get the other gpgs too |
| 06:41.16 | markybob | psychonate: pastebin. use it |
| 06:41.28 | psychonate | seemed unnecessary for these one-liners |
| 06:41.33 | psychonate | but I suppose I shall |
| 06:41.41 | psychonate | everything else looks fine though basically |
| 06:42.03 | blitz\away | is dist-upgrade all i need to upgrade to 4.0? |
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| 06:42.05 | markybob | psychonate: then if that's the only thing, get the key from their faq. http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 06:42.34 | hark | or install debian-multimedia-keyring for marillat's repository |
| 06:42.39 | psychonate | er, I don't think it's their packages that need verification though; you're right, I'll use pastebin |
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| 06:42.43 | markybob | psychonate: as root: gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 06:42.45 | jetscreamer | psychonate: there is a package for that key |
| 06:42.59 | hark | jetscreamer: beat you ;p |
| 06:43.00 | jetscreamer | you need to apt-get install it.. or do it manually like markybob just said |
| 06:43.06 | jetscreamer | and hark :/ |
| 06:43.44 | hark | psychonate: that's if it is marillat's repo which is unauthenticated.. |
| 06:43.59 | Cybersoft | lets try something else |
| 06:44.07 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.11 | jetscreamer | seems so |
| 06:44.14 | psychonate | oy vey |
| 06:44.21 | jetscreamer | change testing if you're running etch btw |
| 06:44.29 | Cybersoft | I'd like to know the country you are from, the price you can expect to pay for a studio in your country, for a liter of milk and for a normal loaf of bread |
| 06:44.33 | psychonate | it's not marillat's packages that need verification though afaik |
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| 06:44.43 | markybob | Cybersoft: c'mon, man. google. this is way off topic |
| 06:44.44 | psychonate | it's the official debian packages |
| 06:44.57 | Cybersoft | <- = canada, about 450$/month, about 1.50$/l and 2.50$ |
| 06:44.58 | jetscreamer | !2007 key |
| 06:44.59 | markybob | psychonate: which is why you need to paste the entire thing in pastebin, man |
| 06:45.11 | Cybersoft | markybob- you can't know this kind of stuff with google |
| 06:45.19 | psychonate | markybob, fortune isn't on my side. Pastebin gave me an error heh |
| 06:45.22 | aarm_ | I have to say this debian upgrade came a lot faster than sarge did....what pushed it along? |
| 06:45.39 | markybob | Cybersoft: you certainly can. global economics is on the internet, believe it or not |
| 06:45.40 | psychonate | !2007 key |
| 06:45.41 | hark | dunc tank.. haha |
| 06:45.48 | hark | !etch key |
| 06:45.48 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 06:45.55 | markybob | !paste |
| 06:45.56 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 06:46.02 | psychonate | eh, isn't etch stable now? |
| 06:46.06 | psychonate | I don't want the stable key |
| 06:46.12 | markybob | psychonate: yes. it's stable |
| 06:46.17 | markybob | psychonate: /topic |
| 06:46.22 | psychonate | yes, I saw that |
| 06:46.31 | psychonate | I'm just trying to dist-upgrade with testing |
| 06:47.05 | psychonate | ffs, even pastebin hates me |
| 06:47.16 | hark | !paster |
| 06:47.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:47.27 | markybob | psychonate: fuck, there are so many paste services...not all can error out on you :) |
| 06:47.39 | psychonate | let's hope not |
| 06:47.46 | blitz\away | is dist-upgrade all i need to upgrade to 4.0? |
| 06:48.07 | hark | blitz\away: try reading the etch release notes |
| 06:48.09 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:48.12 | blitz\away | ok |
| 06:48.41 | markybob | blitz\away: that's the hope. things never seem to go like they're supposed to, though. i've seen a lot of people with problems |
| 06:48.41 | blitz\away | aww ;[ |
| 06:48.41 | psychonate | alright, paster-ed |
| 06:48.43 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 06:48.52 | psychonate | I'm just not sure why those official packages can't be verified |
| 06:48.52 | hark | blitz\away: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 06:49.08 | hark | psychonate: yeah, and the url? |
| 06:49.12 | markybob | psychonate: for the same reasons you cant paste the info for us |
| 06:49.17 | blitz\away | yup, just found it, thx |
| 06:49.26 | psychonate | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6003 |
| 06:49.32 | psychonate | markybob, yeah yeah |
| 06:49.37 | jetscreamer | oh i can tell now |
| 06:49.39 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 06:49.40 | markybob | heh |
| 06:49.41 | psychonate | I'm sure it's some trivial mistake I made |
| 06:49.46 | psychonate | shoot away |
| 06:50.33 | jetscreamer | see if it happens after you do the update |
| 06:50.39 | psychonate | I have several times |
| 06:50.58 | jetscreamer | then why is it trying to upgrade stuff |
| 06:51.08 | jetscreamer | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 06:51.12 | psychonate | eh, I wish I knew |
| 06:51.27 | psychonate | is it possible one of my testing repositories is still on Etch? |
| 06:51.36 | markybob | first off, we wanted you to paste apt-get update, whcih isnt waht this is |
| 06:51.43 | jetscreamer | yes, very possible |
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| 06:51.56 | psychonate | markybob, then I shall paste my update to slake you |
| 06:52.00 | hark | and your sources.list |
| 06:52.41 | psychonate | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6004 |
| 06:52.57 | markybob | come the fuck on |
| 06:53.04 | markybob | are you purposefully cutting shit out of what? |
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| 06:53.38 | psychonate | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6005 |
| 06:53.44 | hark | Ign http://ftp.debian.org testing Release.gpg |
| 06:53.45 | psychonate | s/what/that ? |
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| 06:54.59 | psychonate | markybob, can you rephrase that? I comprehend not |
| 06:55.05 | hark | try with ftp.us.* |
| 06:55.11 | willem | morning people. |
| 06:55.24 | willem | anybody here running sqwebmail? |
| 06:55.41 | hark | !tell willem -about anyone |
| 06:55.49 | hark | !tell willem -about ask |
| 06:55.51 | woodgrain | markybob, thanks for the help with netinst. it was just operator error. I didn't check 'desktop env' the first time thru. Operator error, yet again. |
| 06:56.43 | willem | tx hark :) |
| 06:56.59 | hark | willem: no, really |
| 06:57.13 | hark | woodgrain: you can always run tasksel later manually |
| 06:57.33 | willem | hark: i know, i was sincere. |
| 06:57.54 | psychonate | hark, same deal |
| 06:58.03 | woodgrain | hark, yeah, but for a seminoob it's a real uphill battle doing the whole thing manually to get up to a basic installation. |
| 06:58.13 | psychonate | hark, does the sources.list at least look alright? |
| 06:59.16 | hark | the Ign means that you did not get the Release.gpg, which is why |
| 06:59.23 | psychonate | ah |
| 06:59.30 | \amethyst | Does testing even have a Release.gpg right now? |
| 06:59.35 | hark | should be a get or a hit |
| 07:00.09 | hark | \amethyst: yeah, i wonder |
| 07:00.21 | psychonate | perhaps not, though I really don't know much about such things |
| 07:00.35 | \amethyst | psychonate: Are you sure you want to be using testing, anyway? |
| 07:00.35 | psychonate | in that case, I'll wait say 24 hours and retry |
| 07:00.47 | willem | i'm having problems setting the hostname for sqwebmail, the sqwebmail README says it should be in html/etc/hostname but that doesnt seem to work. Are there any debian specific docs i missed maybe? |
| 07:00.52 | hark | psychonate: best to stay with etch for a little while more |
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| 07:01.08 | psychonate | \amethyst, I had been using it for a year or so before etch went stable |
| 07:01.14 | \amethyst | psychonate: err |
| 07:01.17 | dalias | unstable is the best to use :) |
| 07:01.17 | psychonate | figured I'd stay on that path |
| 07:01.42 | \amethyst | psychonate: testing is really broken during some parts of the release cycle |
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| 07:02.04 | psychonate | as of right now, I don't doubt that |
| 07:02.26 | hark | willem: read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/sqwebmail? otherwise /msg dpkg hostname |
| 07:02.39 | moroco | hello... someone knows whis is the room to talk about bugs in the debian-kernel.... couse i'm having a kernel panic with my nvidia card with 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 07:02.54 | moroco | hello... someone knows whis is the room to talk about bugs in the debian-kernel??.... couse i'm having a kernel panic with my nvidia card with 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 07:03.05 | dalias | non-free nvidia drivers? |
| 07:03.07 | willem | hark: ok will do tx |
| 07:03.25 | dalias | if so, complain to nvidia... |
| 07:03.44 | \amethyst | moroco: You'll have to talk to nVidia unless you can get the panic without their drivers |
| 07:04.00 | moroco | I read aobut a bug very similar.. in debian-kernel@lists.debian.org #414742 |
| 07:04.14 | hark | !dbugs 414742 |
| 07:04.18 | dpkg | #414742:N[linux-2.6] Kernel panic when quitting X under amd64; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:30:02 UTC |
| 07:04.19 | dalias | moroco, if you're using nonfree drivers then it's nvidia's fault by default |
| 07:04.48 | moroco | ok.. thx people!!! |
| 07:04.55 | hark | moroco: works with the nv drivers? |
| 07:05.02 | dalias | yes |
| 07:05.11 | dalias | does it still crash if you use the free "nv" driver instead? |
| 07:05.22 | dalias | if so then you have a legitimate bug report |
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| 07:05.39 | moroco | i didn't try it.... but if legacy crash too.. the i can come back to talk about it.. right? |
| 07:05.49 | \amethyst | moroco: not legacy, the free nv driver |
| 07:05.58 | \amethyst | moroco: nvidia legacy driver is just as closed-source |
| 07:06.12 | agike | Hi, are there any tricks to an Etch reinstall without loisin /home ? |
| 07:06.25 | agike | *losing* |
| 07:06.49 | streuner | backup and restore? ;-) |
| 07:06.58 | dalias | don't delete /home and don't reformat the partition |
| 07:06.59 | moroco | \amethyst, right now i'm downloading the driver from nvidia homepage and using nvidia in my xorg.conf... |
| 07:07.01 | agike | I kept getting the error msg 'unclean install' and it would not proceed .. |
| 07:07.24 | dalias | agike, you might need to manually delete (or rename) all the other dirs under / |
| 07:07.28 | agike | streuner: yep, USB flash drives are good for that .. |
| 07:07.42 | dalias | fitting /home on a usb flash?! |
| 07:07.49 | dalias | try a whole spindle of dvds... |
| 07:07.52 | moroco | so it's Nvidia's fault... |
| 07:08.08 | agike | .. at least the settings and 'dot' files |
| 07:08.15 | dalias | agike, :) |
| 07:08.16 | streuner | (rm /home/(pr0n)) |
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| 07:08.44 | streuner | that helps surely in most cases ;-) |
| 07:09.30 | moroco | hark, i always download the nvidia drivers from the homepage and then I put "nvidia" in my xorg.conf ... so, where can I get the free nv driver? |
| 07:09.55 | dalias | moroco, it's included with x.org |
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| 07:10.01 | hark | just use nv instead, it should already come with xorg 7.1 (xserver-xorg-video-nv) |
| 07:10.03 | dalias | just change the driver to "nv" instead of "nvidia" |
| 07:10.24 | moroco | ok... i didn't know taht dalias .... thank u very much |
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| 07:10.54 | moroco | I'll be back .... |
| 07:11.00 | dalias | good luck |
| 07:11.07 | moroco | thx... |
| 07:11.15 | streuner | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 07:11.16 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 07:11.26 | jetscreamer | lies |
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| 07:11.41 | jetscreamer | that is a non-factual factoid |
| 07:11.46 | hark | !nv.run ;) |
| 07:11.47 | militant | the debian package isn't the binary though, right? |
| 07:11.55 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 07:12.09 | militant | and the non-binaries don't have full hw acceleration... correct? |
| 07:12.14 | streuner | !nvidiasmite jetscreamer |
| 07:12.18 | hark | the kernel source isn't |
| 07:12.20 | jetscreamer | no that's not correct either |
| 07:12.23 | militant | oh |
| 07:12.25 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 07:12.36 | cahoot | streuner: actually tried nvidias installer? |
| 07:12.39 | jetscreamer | the nv driver doesn't do 3d |
| 07:12.48 | jetscreamer | but that's different |
| 07:12.51 | militant | oh |
| 07:13.05 | streuner | cahoot: there is NO need to use nvidia's installer |
| 07:13.05 | militant | well i sorta need 3d, as i like playing with flightgear and beating people with giant dildos in sl |
| 07:13.27 | jetscreamer | streuner: why doesn't the etch nvidia-glx function correctly |
| 07:13.33 | hark | second life? |
| 07:13.36 | jetscreamer | for info, ask militant |
| 07:13.36 | militant | yes |
| 07:13.37 | crazy_penguin | 'morning all! :) |
| 07:13.41 | cahoot | streuner: yes you say so - but have you actually tried nvidias installer? |
| 07:14.04 | hark | dosen't the nvidia installer generate debs like atis? |
| 07:14.26 | militant | so, i'm stuck. either use nv, and lack 3d, or use the nvidia installer, and have a broken x soon enough? |
| 07:14.26 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:14.29 | streuner | cahoot: Do you must travel to iraq in order to know that's dangerous to travel there as western tourist? |
| 07:14.40 | jetscreamer | militant: it doesn't break xorg |
| 07:14.44 | militant | oh |
| 07:14.44 | militant | ok |
| 07:14.44 | cahoot | streuner: I see |
| 07:14.47 | militant | just needs re-run |
| 07:14.48 | shogunx | militant buy a matrox. |
| 07:15.03 | hark | buy an aurello prime |
| 07:15.06 | jetscreamer | !factinfo why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 07:15.06 | dpkg | why nvidia-installer sucks -- created by directhex|work <~jms@dhcpa6.comlab.ox.ac.uk> at Fri Apr 15 08:35:47 2005 (723 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by streuner, 3m 50s ago. |
| 07:15.18 | militant | shogunx, i'm not buying anything until i build a whole new pc. my p4's died, both, bad mobos. and all i have left is a crappy 2ghz celeron lappie, and a crappy 1.3ghz k7 |
| 07:15.30 | jetscreamer | gee a 723 day old factoid.. i believe! |
| 07:15.38 | jetscreamer | it must be accurate! |
| 07:15.42 | streuner | cahoot: i use actually 'nv', and i trust people what they saying, so i didn't try there installer at all. |
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| 07:16.04 | jetscreamer | streuner: it's all i've used for 2 years iirc |
| 07:16.09 | jetscreamer | works just fine |
| 07:16.29 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 07:17.06 | \amethyst | oh, "has not been tested with Gtk+ 2 -- feel free to volunteer" :) |
| 07:17.08 | \amethyst | dohj |
| 07:17.09 | streuner | dude, are you insane? |
| 07:17.25 | jetscreamer | no, i just don't take ppl's word for * |
| 07:17.32 | streuner | we are talking about some closed non-free stuff... |
| 07:17.34 | jetscreamer | and hey it works |
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| 07:17.56 | streuner | and NOT open-source or what's IN Debian... |
| 07:17.57 | wireddd | I am running the nvidia driver, from the package though |
| 07:18.01 | jetscreamer | yes... but where do you think the nvidia-glx package's guts come from |
| 07:18.14 | wols | streuner: all that applies to the debian nvidia package |
| 07:18.18 | wols | so why run it? |
| 07:18.25 | wireddd | beryl |
| 07:18.34 | wireddd | tremulous |
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| 07:18.42 | jetscreamer | quake! |
| 07:18.43 | wireddd | opengl |
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| 07:19.06 | streuner | wols: yes, but it is different if you use a debian package OR some third party stuff |
| 07:19.10 | hark | moroco: well? |
| 07:19.11 | moroco | "nv" worked... thank you very much.... |
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| 07:19.13 | jetscreamer | how so |
| 07:19.23 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 07:19.27 | jetscreamer | not important |
| 07:19.27 | wols | militant: if you use the nvidia.com installer you might have to reinstall it everytime you update X or your kernel. that's about it |
| 07:19.33 | agike | OK guys, here goes .. |
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| 07:19.44 | hark | moroco: hmm, probably need updated nvidia drivers. might be a bug with them |
| 07:19.47 | wireddd | wols: yes that is a pain |
| 07:19.53 | militant | ok |
| 07:19.59 | militant | cd writing fails. this is really frustrating. |
| 07:20.05 | moroco | but is really weird.. couse i remember that i used this same card along time ago with compiz |
| 07:20.09 | jetscreamer | not all that big a pain.. and how often will xorg update in etch, anyway |
| 07:20.23 | militant | time to boot the sarge install just to get some crap done |
| 07:20.28 | jetscreamer | sid ftw! |
| 07:20.36 | hark | !ftw |
| 07:20.36 | dpkg | i heard ftw is fuck the world. For The Win |
| 07:20.37 | wols | militant: and sometimes you even have to copy libs to the proper directory since nvidia.com doesn't do it (when debian changes something in the directory layout) |
| 07:20.58 | moroco | hark, do you know where i can report this bug to nvidia? |
| 07:21.01 | jetscreamer | wols: they added some good detection, esp when you have pkg-config installed |
| 07:21.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, ftw is <action> breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN |
| 07:21.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 07:21.18 | jetscreamer | moroco: you could try #nvidia, they have a dev or two that hang out |
| 07:21.33 | moroco | thank tou jetscreamer |
| 07:21.38 | moroco | thank you jetscreamer |
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| 07:21.59 | jetscreamer | they won't care about the debian packages tough |
| 07:22.01 | jetscreamer | though |
| 07:22.04 | hark | they'll probably ask you to try with the latest installer, not your distro's package |
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| 07:22.35 | militant | hark, actually '| try to use distro driver packages' is in the #nvidia topic |
| 07:22.47 | hark | oh, good |
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| 07:23.07 | wireddd | they know it will break |
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| 07:23.20 | jetscreamer | 'may' |
| 07:23.26 | wireddd | will |
| 07:23.30 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:23.51 | wireddd | given enough apt-get upgrades it will break eventually |
| 07:24.04 | jetscreamer | just xorg or kernel |
| 07:24.14 | wireddd | anything binary |
| 07:24.26 | jetscreamer | i am binary |
| 07:24.32 | jetscreamer | i'm broke, too |
| 07:24.33 | wireddd | then you will break |
| 07:25.02 | jetscreamer | rather, i'm broke, therefore i am binary... but not bi |
| 07:25.04 | wireddd | there are times when I wish I could recompile myself |
| 07:25.15 | wireddd | with a few patches |
| 07:25.35 | jetscreamer | i need decompiling |
| 07:25.49 | dalias | no, then god 4.2 would come along and be twice as slow at compiling you |
| 07:25.56 | wireddd | I would like to fix the goes into sleep mode for no reason after 16 hours |
| 07:25.59 | jetscreamer | oh hey you should become the next reassembled man (that's an old book) |
| 07:26.01 | wireddd | bug |
| 07:26.03 | dalias | and you'd end up 10% larger and more bloated :) |
| 07:26.18 | jetscreamer | !gentoosmite wireddd |
| 07:26.24 | hark | moroco: fwiw, you can file a bug report against nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 07:26.24 | dalias | oh wait, drepper only _thinks_ he's god |
| 07:26.29 | dalias | never mind |
| 07:26.47 | hark | moroco: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 07:27.17 | wireddd | moroco: what problems are you haveing with the nvidia stuff |
| 07:27.19 | moroco | thank you hark... i really apreciate it |
| 07:27.30 | dalias | wireddd, kernel panic it seems |
| 07:27.55 | jetscreamer | the nvidia driver doesn't make kernel panics :o |
| 07:27.57 | wireddd | really, thats a serious problem |
| 07:28.10 | jetscreamer | it just can't, afaik |
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| 07:28.23 | moroco | wireddd, i'm getting a kernel panic when i stop my gdm... it actually wokrs fine.. but i can't shutdown, change x sessions, o just stop my gdm |
| 07:28.44 | wireddd | are you using etch? |
| 07:28.51 | hark | or nvidia-glx as the case may be |
| 07:28.54 | jetscreamer | so you blame nvidia because gdm messes something up? :o |
| 07:28.59 | moroco | yes.. i installed yesturday... |
| 07:29.05 | dalias | jetscreamer, sure it can |
| 07:29.09 | jetscreamer | or xorg? actually, i had that problem before |
| 07:29.13 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 07:29.21 | jetscreamer | in sid |
| 07:29.26 | jetscreamer | (of course) |
| 07:29.30 | streuner | jetscreamer: are you aware that Debian stands for open-source? |
| 07:29.43 | dalias | anything with >= root privs can cause kernel panic |
| 07:29.47 | moroco | Linux shirley 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:29.58 | streuner | so why do you argue at all for closed crap? |
| 07:30.01 | jetscreamer | streuner: i really don't want to get into this, but... then they need to purge contrib non-free |
| 07:30.01 | dalias | streuner, i thought it stood for free software... |
| 07:30.18 | jetscreamer | streuner: we're cool bro, btw |
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| 07:30.29 | streuner | dalias: sure, that too ;-) |
| 07:30.30 | militant | what was it in contrib non-free that i used... i'm tryin to remember... |
| 07:30.43 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx militant :) |
| 07:30.48 | militant | jetscreamer, besides that |
| 07:30.49 | dalias | i dont even have non-free in my apt sources |
| 07:30.52 | dalias | never seen a need for it.. |
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| 07:31.02 | jetscreamer | dalias: crafty books |
| 07:31.03 | moroco | i download yesturday etch... (still testing yesturday)... and using etch in my sources.list |
| 07:31.11 | Shaun2222 | Where can i get the etch script for debootstrap? |
| 07:31.19 | jetscreamer | !info crafty |
| 07:31.22 | dpkg | crafty: (state-of-the-art chess engine, compatible with xboard), section non-free/games, is optional. Version: 20.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 361 kB, Installed size: 1372 kB |
| 07:31.34 | wireddd | I am running the nvidia packages from experimental right now |
| 07:31.59 | jetscreamer | wireddd: and i'm running 9755.. what version is the experimental one |
| 07:32.19 | dalias | why is crafty non-free? |
| 07:32.21 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 07:32.21 | wireddd | a little older |
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| 07:32.23 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 07:32.23 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9746-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 4103 kB, Installed size: 13048 kB |
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| 07:32.33 | jetscreamer | not bad |
| 07:32.38 | jetscreamer | i could live with that |
| 07:33.04 | streuner | if you HAVE to use nvidia stuff, use debian's packages |
| 07:33.07 | wireddd | I don't know why it is taking so long to get into unstable |
| 07:33.14 | moroco | wireddd, i am using nvidia packages in may othe pc (with sid) and is working very nice |
| 07:33.35 | wols | cause there was an etch feeze |
| 07:33.36 | jetscreamer | streuner: let me tell you why i use what i use: i could NEVER get the debian packages to work... nvidia-installer is like easy |
| 07:33.39 | wireddd | did you use m-a to build the kernel module |
| 07:33.42 | jetscreamer | i did try |
| 07:34.19 | jetscreamer | i didn't even know about m-a back then |
| 07:34.22 | hark | jetscreamer: you haven't tried again for a loong time |
| 07:34.27 | jetscreamer | no i haven't |
| 07:34.27 | streuner | jetscreamer: use nvidia one-liner then |
| 07:34.29 | jetscreamer | no need |
| 07:34.30 | jetscreamer | why |
| 07:34.36 | streuner | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:34.37 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 07:34.39 | moroco | wireddd, those are the first lines of the kernel panic in my syslog: Apr 9 00:53:15 shirley kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at ffff81001aeb8c60 RIP: |
| 07:34.39 | moroco | Apr 9 00:53:15 shirley kernel: [<ffffffff802ae1ea>] __vunmap+0x8f/0xd8 |
| 07:34.39 | moroco | Apr 9 00:53:15 shirley kernel: PGD 8063 PUD 9063 PMD 800000001ae001e3 BAD |
| 07:34.39 | moroco | Apr 9 00:53:15 shirley kernel: Oops: 0009 [1] SMP |
| 07:34.39 | moroco | Apr 9 00:53:15 shirley kernel: CPU 0 |
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| 07:34.40 | jetscreamer | my opengl functions properly |
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| 07:34.54 | deepsa | moroco. lol. |
| 07:34.57 | moroco | ups |
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| 07:35.19 | jetscreamer | you didn't compile the nvidia driver into the kernel did you? |
| 07:35.27 | streuner | moroco: please don't paste here more than 2 lines, thanks. |
| 07:35.37 | jetscreamer | no need to load it via modprobe or /etc/modules, either |
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| 07:35.47 | moroco | sorry streuner ... it wont happend again |
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| 07:36.07 | jetscreamer | !tell moroco -about paste |
| 07:36.14 | jetscreamer | has paste url |
| 07:36.17 | Shaun2222 | Where can i get /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch ? |
| 07:36.23 | jetscreamer | google |
| 07:36.28 | wireddd | moroco: I have only tried it on 32bit systems |
| 07:36.34 | jetscreamer | !debootstrap |
| 07:36.34 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 07:37.05 | moroco | jetscreamer, did u asked me if i compiled de nvidia driver into the kernel? |
| 07:37.11 | jetscreamer | yes moroco |
| 07:37.17 | moroco | wireddd, is the same thing... |
| 07:37.38 | dalias | why do ppl use this stupid nvidia driver anyway? |
| 07:37.44 | jetscreamer | 3d? |
| 07:37.49 | militant | heh this is fun. doing all sorts of configs/installs on my new etch install, then starting all over kuz my install cd was borked to begin with |
| 07:37.51 | jetscreamer | games? graphics? |
| 07:37.52 | moroco | jetscreamer, i just installed with the sh NVIDIA*.run ... using build-essentials... |
| 07:37.55 | streuner | dalias: modern stuff like beryl |
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| 07:38.13 | streuner | dalias: 'nv' doesn't support 3D |
| 07:38.26 | jetscreamer | moroco: you could do --uninstall |
| 07:38.27 | dalias | big deal.. |
| 07:38.31 | moroco | dalias, i use that to get beryl and counter strike working |
| 07:38.50 | moroco | jetscreamer, i did it... now i'm not getting the kernel panic |
| 07:38.50 | GPLGeek | wine or cedega? |
| 07:38.53 | jetscreamer | dalias: ok it's not a big deal to you. it is to me though |
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| 07:39.02 | moroco | GPLGeek, wine |
| 07:39.02 | dalias | as long as you have a 3ghz box or whatever, just set the res to 320x240 |
| 07:39.07 | jetscreamer | moroco: what gpu? lspci |grep -i vga |
| 07:39.08 | dalias | and soft mesagl should be plenty fast :) |
| 07:39.16 | GPLGeek | cedega never works for non-source games at least for me |
| 07:39.24 | jetscreamer | dalias: that would be very fugly |
| 07:39.30 | jetscreamer | i like pretty |
| 07:39.31 | GPLGeek | moroco, do you need patches, or just latest wine? |
| 07:39.32 | moroco | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] |
| 07:39.41 | dalias | these games are already fugly anyway :) |
| 07:39.47 | moroco | latest wine in sid GPLGeek |
| 07:39.51 | GPLGeek | nice |
| 07:39.57 | GPLGeek | do all the games work? |
| 07:40.08 | wireddd | many of them do |
| 07:40.09 | jetscreamer | moroco: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev read-edid linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:40.17 | jetscreamer | then try again |
| 07:40.50 | GPLGeek | I'm going to burn and try to install etch but I've been having some hardware issues with my dang SATA ports thinking they are not bootable. |
| 07:40.56 | jetscreamer | add build-essential to that |
| 07:40.58 | moroco | ok.. let me try it jetscreamer ... thank you very much |
| 07:41.02 | wireddd | my monitor reports the wrong edid info |
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| 07:41.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get install read-edid |
| 07:41.16 | jetscreamer | might help |
| 07:41.16 | cafuego_ | A lot of screens do - if not most. |
| 07:41.40 | jetscreamer | at least they have mdetect installed by default now |
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| 07:42.17 | wireddd | I have to edit my xorg.conf ny hand or I would never be able to get it all working |
| 07:42.32 | militant | my monitor is PIMP |
| 07:42.37 | militant | and edid works just fine |
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| 07:43.01 | wireddd | I have two lcds hooked up to mine and neither of them report their edid correctly |
| 07:43.04 | militant | i have one of those bigass 24" sony crt's |
| 07:43.16 | jetscreamer | wireddd: i've had the same basic xorg.conf for a while.. http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
| 07:43.32 | wireddd | they display the screen, but there is a error message in the middle that says "Mode Not Supported" |
| 07:43.42 | jetscreamer | i even 'ported' it from xfree |
| 07:43.54 | jetscreamer | hwinfo |
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| 07:44.41 | wireddd | I have two rosewill r912e |
| 07:44.49 | wireddd | 19" lcds |
| 07:44.56 | moroco | jetscreamer, i'm going to try it without the read-edid... it doesn't exists to amd64 architecture |
| 07:45.15 | jetscreamer | moroco: oh... i have no idea about 64bit |
| 07:45.22 | jetscreamer | none |
| 07:45.24 | xjkx | can i be sure everything on /tmp is being used and not only wasting my hd space? |
| 07:45.51 | moroco | yeap.. 2.6.18-4-amd64..... but is the same thing |
| 07:45.54 | militant | http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=fw900&page=1 is the one i have. |
| 07:46.01 | militant | and it is quite simply *feer* |
| 07:46.05 | militant | 94 pound beast. |
| 07:46.07 | militant | i love it. |
| 07:46.25 | jetscreamer | !info read-edid |
| 07:46.29 | militant | i turn my heater off when i actually sit at my desk, but i don't have to sit at my desk when i run it 1024x768 (yeah i'm blind) |
| 07:46.30 | wireddd | not enough screen realestate for me |
| 07:46.32 | jetscreamer | not really necessary |
| 07:46.33 | dpkg | read-edid: (hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 07:47.21 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 07:47.21 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 07:47.23 | xjkx | i still have a .kde/share/apps/kdeprint on /tmp and kde is not even installed ROFL |
| 07:47.29 | militant | jetscreamer, i'm working on that new install now... fresh cd from an iso from a different mirror |
| 07:47.35 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 07:47.41 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:47.56 | militant | i just don't get it skipping steps. |
| 07:48.22 | xjkx | should i make a script to rm -rf /tmp/* every shutdown? its getting space for nothing |
| 07:48.24 | wireddd | did you already do some of them? |
| 07:48.30 | xjkx | i hope it wouldnt break debian |
| 07:48.37 | jetscreamer | militant: i duno, i'll have to try the new stable etch installer and see.. like i said, i tried a nightly (about a week ago) |
| 07:48.45 | xjkx | that would suck |
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| 07:48.51 | jetscreamer | xjkx: i've done that |
| 07:48.57 | Shaun2222 | anybody know where i can get /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch from, i cant seam to find it, it looks like it's suppose to be in unstable and testing of debootstrap but i cant find it. |
| 07:49.00 | streuner | xjkx: seems the permissions are wrong |
| 07:49.01 | jetscreamer | but lately it seems to be ok |
| 07:49.02 | wireddd | xjkx: how much space does it take up? |
| 07:49.09 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 07:49.13 | militant | wireddd, me? no. a fresh clean install wasn't giving me options to pick desktop/server crap like sarge did, and was just dumping me to a base system really fast. |
| 07:49.13 | xjkx | jetscreamer, 300 |
| 07:49.20 | woodgrain | debian installer kicks a. |
| 07:49.45 | wireddd | militant: oh thats all I use the d-i for |
| 07:49.51 | xjkx | streuner, what about permissions? /tmp is free to everyone |
| 07:50.10 | militant | d-i? |
| 07:50.13 | streuner | xjkx: why do you think you need to run a script` |
| 07:50.18 | streuner | ? |
| 07:50.26 | jetscreamer | the /tmp dir is, but the files under it are not always, xjkx |
| 07:50.35 | streuner | militant: debian-installer |
| 07:50.38 | militant | oh. |
| 07:50.39 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 07:50.40 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:50.52 | xjkx | jetscreamer, i could delete them as root |
| 07:51.03 | jetscreamer | xjkx: yes. |
| 07:51.07 | militant | hopefully i get different results. i don't wanna start all over again for *no* reason |
| 07:51.20 | jetscreamer | militant: try a nightly |
| 07:51.24 | xjkx | it says temp and its not temp thats crazy |
| 07:51.31 | xjkx | there are files which are very old |
| 07:51.36 | jetscreamer | nuke em |
| 07:51.49 | xjkx | i thought system would do that by itself |
| 07:51.53 | militant | or is there something i need to do the first time i boot a new install, to get a more complete set of install options? |
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| 07:52.00 | streuner | xjkx: again, are you sure those permissions are correct? |
| 07:52.43 | xjkx | no im not sure what you want me to test to check it? |
| 07:53.33 | streuner | xjkx: ls -ld /tmp |
| 07:53.37 | alleyoopster | not so serious question, which one was Lenny? |
| 07:53.56 | jetscreamer | militant: try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:54.00 | jetscreamer | the binoculars |
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| 07:54.20 | jetscreamer | alleyoopster: ^^ |
| 07:54.26 | streuner | xjkx: drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 4096 2007-04-09 06:27 /tmp/ |
| 07:54.28 | alleyoopster | ok :) cheers |
| 07:54.45 | militant | HEH see |
| 07:54.47 | militant | this is new |
| 07:54.48 | jetscreamer | hey streuner what is t |
| 07:54.57 | jetscreamer | drwxrwxrwt |
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| 07:55.31 | militant | previously it wasn't giving me the 'the system may anonymously supply ...' notification |
| 07:55.32 | militant | and WOW |
| 07:55.38 | militant | it asked if i wanted desktop/webserver/etc |
| 07:55.40 | militant | jeez |
| 07:55.42 | militant | how amazing. |
| 07:55.43 | giggsey | How would I save the output of gdb to a file? |
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| 07:55.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.32 | militant | fek. another 2 or 3 hours before i can sleep. no sleep til this crap is up and running reasonably well |
| 07:56.36 | giggsey | I've tried it with >> blah.txt, and it saves everything up to the run |
| 07:56.44 | giggsey | and even after the run |
| 07:56.55 | xjkx | streuner, its drwxrwxrwt here too |
| 07:58.30 | streuner | xjkx: give us the whole output of 'ls -ld /tmp' |
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| 08:01.14 | xjkx | drwxrwxrwt 121 root root 8240 2007-04-09 03:49 /tmp |
| 08:02.00 | moroco | jetscreamer, didn't work that... i'm going to keep using nv until they fix the problem |
| 08:02.07 | jetscreamer | iirc i made it rm -R /tmp && mkdir /tmp |
| 08:02.19 | moroco | thanks for your help jetscreamer |
| 08:02.29 | jetscreamer | moroco: k good idea, sorry i don't know 64bit.. you 'could' ask in #nvidia though |
| 08:02.32 | xjkx | jetscreamer, would be rm -r |
| 08:02.36 | streuner | jetscreamer: man chmod, the user who owns the file are allowed to 'alter' it sticky (t) |
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| 08:02.52 | jetscreamer | xjkx: either functions, i learned one day, iirc |
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| 08:03.04 | jetscreamer | ah thanks |
| 08:03.11 | moroco | jetscreamer, i asked in #nvidia... but i think that they all r sleeping right now |
| 08:03.24 | xjkx | "<streuner> jetscreamer: man chmod, the user who owns the file are allowed to 'alter' it sticky (t)" you meant me? |
| 08:03.30 | jetscreamer | moroco: yeh those dang americans |
| 08:03.37 | jetscreamer | no he meant me, i asked what it meant |
| 08:03.46 | xjkx | :> |
| 08:03.46 | moroco | lol |
| 08:04.02 | streuner | jetscreamer: STICKY DIRECTORIES When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by root or their owner. Without the sticky bit, anyone able to write to the directory can delete or rename files. The sticky bit is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are world-writable. |
| 08:04.13 | xjkx | the full output if drwxrwxrwt 121 root root 8240 2007-04-09 03:49 /tmp found what you wanted streuner ? |
| 08:04.33 | jetscreamer | thanks again, streuner |
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| 08:06.53 | streuner | xjkx: no idea, i would just use remove the _files_ in /tmp there and see what happens next |
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| 08:12.02 | liable | it should get cleaned at boot up |
| 08:13.01 | streuner | xjkx: ls -l /etc/init.d/bootclean |
| 08:13.11 | streuner | liable: yeah |
| 08:13.27 | streuner | we thought the permissions are wrong in /tmp before |
| 08:13.34 | sphenxes | there is a lot of flash memory (2 GB) around the market. My question is: is it possible to install linux on such flash memory, is there anything special that i should take in account? |
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| 08:15.16 | blaamann | sphenxes: http://flashlinux.org.uk/ |
| 08:15.27 | sphenxes | blaamann, thanks |
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| 08:17.32 | streuner | liable: DOH |
| 08:17.59 | mazzanet | W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge) |
| 08:18.04 | mazzanet | er? |
| 08:18.06 | streuner | liable: "The "t" on the end of the permissions string (instead of the "x" that we expected to see) means that this directory has the sticky bit turned on. When a directory has the sticky bit turned on, nobody can delete or rename anybody else's files from that directory, even though they have write permission on the directory. Remember when greg deleted a file owned by root? He can't do that in /tmp:" |
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| 08:19.06 | xjkx | streuner, bootmisc.sh bootsplash only |
| 08:19.21 | streuner | xjkx: yeah, that's it then |
| 08:19.32 | xjkx | :> |
| 08:19.34 | streuner | xjkx: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:19.55 | streuner | knusper:/etc/init.d# ls -l bootclean |
| 08:19.56 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5089 2006-09-20 13:36 bootclean |
| 08:19.57 | xjkx | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:20.21 | xjkx | can i apt-get this bootclean? |
| 08:20.31 | jetscreamer | !find bootclean.sh |
| 08:20.44 | streuner | nah, bootclean |
| 08:20.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bootclean.sh' (2): (/usr/share/insserv/overrides/bootclean.sh) in misc/insserv ;; (/etc/init.d/{mountall-bootclean.sh|mountnfs-bootclean.sh}) in admin/initscripts. |
| 08:20.57 | streuner | xjkx: apt-get install initscripts |
| 08:21.19 | liable | streuner: but bootclean.sh gets run as root no? |
| 08:21.22 | xjkx | installing |
| 08:21.29 | jetscreamer | oh it's bootmisc |
| 08:21.31 | jetscreamer | .sh |
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| 08:21.46 | streuner | liable: well, its at the boot-process |
| 08:21.53 | liable | so yes |
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| 08:22.17 | liable | xjkx: you didnt have initscripts installed?? |
| 08:22.36 | jetscreamer | xjkx: have you done a dist-upgrade anytime recently? |
| 08:22.43 | jetscreamer | !info initscripts |
| 08:22.46 | dpkg | initscripts: (Scripts for initializing and shutting down the system), section admin, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-38 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 376 kB |
| 08:22.52 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
| 08:22.54 | jetscreamer | you need to |
| 08:22.59 | jetscreamer | it's required |
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| 08:23.32 | jetscreamer | this looks like a job for !fix-unmet |
| 08:23.42 | jetscreamer | upupandaway!!! |
| 08:23.54 | Noboru | sup |
| 08:24.14 | jetscreamer | no thanks i'm already full Noboru but thanks anyway |
| 08:24.27 | Noboru | :) |
| 08:25.13 | liable | hrm, unless hes running ubuntu with that newfangled init thing |
| 08:25.30 | streuner | nah |
| 08:25.51 | streuner | he prolly runs debootstrap or such before... |
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| 08:26.23 | Agrajag- | g'day, im trying to figure out if there's any difference between the packages xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 in etch. the descriptions for them are the same |
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| 08:27.18 | jetscreamer | one is a metapackage i believe |
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| 08:27.27 | jetscreamer | the first one |
| 08:27.38 | jetscreamer | but i'm not sure |
| 08:28.30 | jetscreamer | This package depends on the binary Linux image and the correct hypervisor. |
| 08:28.42 | jetscreamer | xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 - XEN system with Linux 2.6.18 image on i686 |
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| 08:29.26 | ryoshu | hey |
| 08:29.38 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <packagename> is your friend |
| 08:29.38 | ryoshu | is possible to run winXP in xen? |
| 08:29.57 | mazzanet | wooo |
| 08:29.59 | ryoshu | or this only supports linux |
| 08:30.00 | wols | ryoshu: if you have a VT capable CPU |
| 08:30.01 | mazzanet | now running debian 4.0 |
| 08:30.04 | mazzanet | or apparently i am |
| 08:30.05 | itchi | Happy holiday AND happy Etch release! :-) |
| 08:30.17 | jetscreamer | itchi: welcome to monday |
| 08:30.27 | wols | !vserver |
| 08:30.27 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. |
| 08:30.35 | itchi | jetscreamer: :-) |
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| 08:30.40 | ryoshu | wols, err i don't understand i have intel based processor |
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| 08:30.46 | mazzanet | though apt/apt-get has broken |
| 08:30.52 | wols | ryoshu: which intel CPU? |
| 08:30.54 | mazzanet | W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got sarge) |
| 08:30.59 | itchi | jetscreamer: Do you not have a holiday today? |
| 08:31.10 | ryoshu | celeron |
| 08:31.13 | jetscreamer | mazzanet: change the word stable to etch, in the security line |
| 08:31.15 | ryoshu | 1,7 ghz |
| 08:31.15 | wols | ryoshu: you can't then |
| 08:31.22 | jetscreamer | itchi: my kids do |
| 08:31.27 | ryoshu | oh, why? |
| 08:31.28 | itchi | Mega cool, hodiay and Etch release, wtf, that's cooool :-p |
| 08:31.33 | wols | ryoshu: cause you lack VT |
| 08:31.35 | itchi | jetscreamer: ha, not today for you too? |
| 08:31.48 | liable | streuner: wheres my fucking pony! |
| 08:31.49 | Agrajag- | jetscreamer: that's what i did, but i get pretty much the same output: apt-cache show xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 > /tmp/xen1.out && apt-cache show xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 > /tmp/xen2.out && diff /tmp/xen1.out /tmp/xen2.out |
| 08:31.49 | jetscreamer | no i have to work |
| 08:31.51 | mazzanet | jetscreamer: ah so stable != etch yet? |
| 08:31.57 | itchi | !beer jetscreamer |
| 08:32.02 | itchi | jetscreamer: I dunno what to do :-s |
| 08:32.03 | wols | Agrajag-: dpkg knows the answer |
| 08:32.08 | liable | i had to work today too |
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| 08:32.12 | jetscreamer | mazzanet: yes it is but somebody hasn't updated a symlink on the site, or so |
| 08:32.15 | wols | Agrajag-: and gave it to you already |
| 08:32.28 | itchi | oh, to sad, not everyone have holiday then? |
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| 08:32.38 | jetscreamer | money is good |
| 08:32.38 | mazzanet | jetscreamer: heh. |
| 08:32.39 | wols | mazzanet: try to put "wtch" in that line for "stable" |
| 08:32.47 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 08:32.50 | mazzanet | jetscreamer: that fixed it, ta |
| 08:33.01 | mazzanet | what's the new unstable called? |
| 08:33.04 | liable | i finish work tomorrow and get two weeks off |
| 08:33.05 | jetscreamer | sud |
| 08:33.06 | wols | mazzanet: sid |
| 08:33.07 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 08:33.14 | liable | mazzanet: unstable is always sid |
| 08:33.16 | Agrajag- | wols: ok.. i don't understand your answer. does the vserver version of xen require the CPU to have virt stuff? |
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| 08:33.18 | jetscreamer | the new testing is lenny though |
| 08:33.20 | mazzanet | er |
| 08:33.21 | jetscreamer | /topic |
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| 08:33.28 | mazzanet | bah confused testing with unstable |
| 08:33.42 | wols | Agrajag-: if you want the xen part: yes. the vserver one: no. Those two are totally different things |
| 08:33.44 | jetscreamer | lenny was the binoculars before you ask :) |
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| 08:34.03 | mazzanet | etch was the spring wasn't it? |
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| 08:34.12 | jetscreamer | etch-a-sketch |
| 08:34.13 | wols | Agrajag-: actualy you don#t nned "virt stuff" either for xen. not always |
| 08:34.15 | mazzanet | ah |
| 08:34.18 | mazzanet | :P |
| 08:34.25 | itchi | wtf, i need to change my banners buahaha. Someone know the 'new' Etch banners? To put on my perso website :-) |
| 08:34.32 | jetscreamer | the spring was slink i think |
| 08:34.45 | simonrvn | slinky, yes |
| 08:35.15 | jetscreamer | !sing the slinky song |
| 08:35.21 | jetscreamer | dang |
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| 08:36.38 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 08:39.45 | hark | !slink->sid |
| 08:39.45 | dpkg | somebody said slink->sid was don't even try this it won't work, see slink->potato then potato->sid |
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| 08:40.21 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:40.22 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
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| 08:41.08 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 08:42.13 | hark | rpm -ivh debian.rpm ;) |
| 08:42.14 | simonrvn | unlike gentoo, debian isn't a gtk1 "file manager" |
| 08:42.33 | xxx | my blank screen saver is bright in colour? |
| 08:42.50 | simonrvn | if that's what you want, then good for you |
| 08:42.51 | xxx | gnome |
| 08:42.53 | xingu | simonrvn: it's not? I demand a full refund |
| 08:43.03 | simonrvn | refund? |
| 08:43.49 | ryoshu | hura! debian released! :D good work! |
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| 08:44.16 | simonrvn | then they start griping that's it's too old |
| 08:44.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 08:45.11 | hark | they already started |
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| 08:46.03 | simonrvn | who? slashdotters? |
| 08:46.05 | xingu | is that still running? |
| 08:46.13 | simonrvn | apparently so |
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| 08:46.51 | simonrvn | read an article pasted from there that DHS wants the . DNS server DNSSEC key |
| 08:47.29 | simonrvn | ok, too many acronyms... DHS: dept. of 'homeland security' |
| 08:47.39 | hark | earlier, Gnome 2.14 is too old.. |
| 08:47.40 | itchi | Just big loossers, these not know about 'stable' software :-p |
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| 08:47.54 | itchi | And GOOD software too :-p |
| 08:48.06 | simonrvn | 'losers', or more in keeping with community standards, 'lusers' |
| 08:48.17 | itchi | simonrvn: oups, yeah :-) |
| 08:48.22 | Zaggynl | How can I make sure apt-get installs packages first, then downloads new ones? I'm going low on diskspace :( |
| 08:48.29 | xingu | them and everyone else; I'm with randy - explain how dnssec key rollover stands a chance in hell of working in practice first, worry about tla security agencies second |
| 08:48.34 | simonrvn | stagger them |
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| 08:48.47 | blaamann | Both Alt-Tab and Alt-Esc rotates among my windows in Gnome. Never seen that work with Alt-Esc before. |
| 08:49.20 | wols | if any spook agency, no matter the nationality can compromise DNSSEC, then it's a worthless spec |
| 08:49.23 | simonrvn | whether or not it would work is missing the point, here |
| 08:49.33 | wols | cause then every OTHER spook agency from any other coutnry will want the same priviledges |
| 08:49.37 | xingu | s/if any spook agency, no matter the nationality can/ |
| 08:49.39 | itchi | Zaggynl: How much left there? |
| 08:49.44 | wols | not to mention that everything distrusts DNSSEC from the start |
| 08:49.46 | xingu | ...// |
| 08:49.51 | Zaggynl | itchi, 13MB |
| 08:49.57 | itchi | Zaggynl: ow :-s |
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| 08:50.04 | Zaggynl | yes |
| 08:50.55 | simonrvn | i have more than that in all my still working floppies.. o_O |
| 08:50.55 | itchi | Zaggynl: Have you some free space (unpartitioned) on that HDD? |
| 08:50.55 | Zaggynl | nope |
| 08:50.55 | simonrvn | ouchies |
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| 08:51.24 | simonrvn | i stagger them... stick a bunch on hold, install some,take off the hold, install the rest |
| 08:51.39 | itchi | Zaggynl: Nah, should not help, if your out of space :-s |
| 08:51.40 | simonrvn | might need to wash rinse repeat... |
| 08:52.46 | itchi | Zaggynl: How big is that space you allowed for that install? |
| 08:53.02 | simonrvn | good night/day |
| 08:53.08 | Zaggynl | itchi, the total linux partition size? |
| 08:53.34 | itchi | Zaggynl: Yup, All the space you have there on that system |
| 08:53.50 | Zaggynl | 3.1GB |
| 08:53.52 | itchi | Zaggynl: Maybe are there some stuff you can firt uninstall or move ot another box?? |
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| 08:54.00 | Zaggynl | 2.8 in use before the apt-get upgrade |
| 08:54.07 | Zaggynl | yeah, I'll remove some trash |
| 08:54.09 | blaamann | How do I figure out what backend Totem is using ? |
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| 08:54.22 | itchi | Zaggynl: Oh, there may some stuff you can remove, the time to do the upgrade |
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| 08:54.40 | xingu | the thing is, there's demonstrably god knows how many zillions of nodes out there with stale root hints; what kind of crack do you need to be smoking before you can assume that administrators who won't update their root hints, will suddenly start caring about updating an expired dnssec signing key? |
| 08:55.33 | Zaggynl | heh, I'll remove openoffice, now _that_ is going to leave a gap |
| 08:55.47 | simonrvn | Zaggynl: that'll help ;) |
| 08:55.54 | itchi | Zaggynl: :-) |
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| 08:56.08 | ribasushi | hi |
| 08:56.21 | ribasushi | where do I get the key for http://secure-testing.debian.net/ ? |
| 08:56.38 | simonrvn | etch is released dude |
| 08:56.46 | wols | xingu: if you have >x people relying on dnssec, you could one day refuse service for people without. non resolvable domains make lazy admins react pretty quickly :) |
| 08:57.13 | xingu | wols: yeah, look how well breaking stuff works at stopping spam! |
| 08:57.13 | ribasushi | simonrvn: this is exactly why, I want to keep the system in question in testing, not pin it to etch |
| 08:57.51 | Zaggynl | 212MB of space will be freed \0/ |
| 08:57.55 | vchrizz | how do i get some array information of an md dev when i cant start it because no hdds are present? when i try to get info with -D it says: mdadm: md device /dev/md1 does not appear to be active. |
| 08:58.04 | xingu | wols: the problem is usually that the (now broken) box has no cost center ie no admin; so breaking it just balkanises dns namespace |
| 08:58.10 | simonrvn | isn't that unofficial anyway? there's another one i think? |
| 08:58.13 | XPSlammer | vchrizz: cat /rpoc/mdstat |
| 08:58.20 | XPSlammer | /proc too |
| 08:58.29 | xingu | wols: ... to the point where people stop using it and start using p2p namespaces instead |
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| 08:58.39 | simonrvn | xingu: them having the key would do that anyway |
| 08:58.43 | wols | xingu: dream on |
| 08:59.06 | vchrizz | XPSlammer, well i looked there already, but cat /proc/mdstat | grep md1 gives no output |
| 08:59.10 | wols | if your precious expensive domain won't resolve, there will be fixes. quickly |
| 08:59.23 | vchrizz | it just shows other md devices |
| 08:59.26 | simonrvn | expensive? |
| 08:59.30 | wols | just like there are no open relays anymore in mailserver default configs |
| 08:59.48 | wols | simonrvn: verisign domains ;) |
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| 09:00.23 | simonrvn | spammers just jijack IP space... they don't bother with cheap .coms unless they want something to point at |
| 09:00.27 | simonrvn | hijack* |
| 09:00.34 | wols | and if you can't resolve the whole domain is worthless. not just the registration fee but also the money you pay/paid for creating hosting and maintaining the site |
| 09:00.49 | wols | no email either |
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| 09:02.02 | simonrvn | *my* point here is that DHS is not your friend. if they did get verisign to fold and give them the key, then dns space *will have to* balkanise |
| 09:02.18 | kyle__ | Debian 4.0 is amazing!!!!!~ |
| 09:02.32 | xingu | the irony is that the dhs requirement is a moot point anyway |
| 09:02.47 | simonrvn | how so? |
| 09:03.02 | xingu | there's already an nsa lockdown requirement; in the event of war all network operators must be able to clamp access to nsa approved us citizens currently within the us borders. |
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| 09:03.31 | xingu | ... for those parts of the network within us borders. |
| 09:03.37 | simonrvn | oh like the u.s. is the centre of the universe... |
| 09:03.44 | xingu | that's the way they see it |
| 09:04.20 | dlight | is there a page that describes what changes debian has made to its linux-source packages over the official ones? |
| 09:04.28 | simonrvn | then they lock themselves out from the rest of the world. just like china has |
| 09:04.52 | simonrvn | that'll kill the spam by half at least ;) |
| 09:04.57 | xingu | china's busy opening themselves up to us at least |
| 09:05.06 | wols | the reason the DHS wants the key is not to clamp down but to spoof |
| 09:05.14 | simonrvn | i know |
| 09:05.15 | xingu | not that I'm in the public access game though |
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| 09:06.15 | vchrizz | where does mdadm store its information about its "registered" devices? how can i reset or update that information? it doesnt start my md1 raid1 from hda2 since hdc2 went off |
| 09:06.39 | hark | cmon, they won't get the key of course |
| 09:06.55 | simonrvn | it's fucked up anyway ;). won't last til the end of the century... |
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| 09:07.13 | xingu | the bits of the dhs requirement that crossed my desk were more about being able to unwind changes - they seem quite concerned about faked redelegations leaking through the (abysmally weak) registrar validation process in times of crisis |
| 09:08.17 | dondelelcaro | it's not like the redelegations can't be unwound |
| 09:08.32 | dondelelcaro | the main problem is coordinating them |
| 09:08.32 | simonrvn | xingu: sounds like hot air |
| 09:08.35 | xingu | I still think that dnssec answers the technical problem poorly and that it'll be just as effective as say ssl trust metrics are in practice |
| 09:09.18 | simonrvn | just like you can't have a war on an abstract... |
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| 09:09.52 | simonrvn | hey, i renew my certs ;p |
| 09:09.57 | dondelelcaro | I personally think that we'll eventually see the root servers get forked away from ICANN if they keep screwing around |
| 09:10.05 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:10.18 | rambo3 | is it posible to format dvd+rw with dd ? |
| 09:10.27 | xingu | simonrvn: you remember how much pain was involved the last time the verisign signing key expired right? |
| 09:10.32 | dondelelcaro | rambo3: just use growisofs |
| 09:10.41 | xingu | simonrvn: now imagine that, every two or so years, but in dns. |
| 09:10.52 | simonrvn | i use my own self-signed... i couldn't care less |
| 09:11.45 | simonrvn | i have the public CA cert openly available... install it if you want |
| 09:11.55 | fireba11_grr | simonrvn: it's sometimes hard to get stupid software to accept self-signed certs though |
| 09:11.58 | simonrvn | that's my attitude ;p |
| 09:12.01 | xingu | the good thing about the status quo is that you can socially engineer even verisign to undo all sorts of boneheaded mistakes |
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| 09:12.20 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:12.22 | wols | I still don#t get why the DHS ever ASKED about the keys |
| 09:12.30 | xingu | risk management |
| 09:12.33 | wols | I mean if they really wanted it they'd simply wait til it was implemented |
| 09:12.43 | simonrvn | probably some stupid net admin got that idea in their head |
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| 09:13.15 | xingu | probably; proabably it was some idiot asking an awkward question in a public forum so their manager had to react |
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| 09:13.18 | wols | then pay a friendly visit like they did with at&t: "we just need a little server in your main datacenter. nothing big, nothing aserious. oh and the master key too, just for security" |
| 09:13.44 | wols | done and dnssec is compromised and they can actively use it to spoof. better then telling it all the world in advance "we wills poof" |
| 09:13.46 | xingu | wols: the nsa req is a retrofit; and that's precisely how it came about |
| 09:13.49 | simonrvn | they probably used the "national security" buzzwords.. |
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| 09:14.13 | wols | xingu: doesn't matter. they could stil have done it the way I described |
| 09:14.24 | xingu | wols: I'm agreeing with you, it is surprising |
| 09:14.37 | dondelelcaro | wols: AT&T doesn't have a root nameserver |
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| 09:14.41 | wols | the only reason I can see why they did it this way is they WANT the internet to balkanize and possibly deny others the easy usage of it |
| 09:14.52 | xingu | wols: the only thing that parses for me is a technical person asking a technical question in a risk management committee and embarrassing the committee on public record |
| 09:14.58 | wols | dondelelcaro: but they route phone calles. and the DHS intercepts them |
| 09:15.25 | dondelelcaro | wols: some phone calls, but not all; they definetly don't route most of the network traffic |
| 09:15.32 | simonrvn | back to the days of various independent nets, but more or less connected this time around |
| 09:15.58 | wols | dondelelcaro: sure, but they can do pretty much do anything they want with it. and they didn't tell the public about it: you don't expose your sources of information |
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| 09:16.19 | wols | simonrvn: BBSes were like that |
| 09:16.24 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 09:17.05 | simonrvn | i was thinking along the lines of arpanet, etc. |
| 09:17.19 | wols | simonrvn: uucp? |
| 09:17.29 | dondelelcaro | wols: that's the same for any carrier on the way to your DNS servers or the root entities... |
| 09:17.44 | wols | dondelelcaro: what is? |
| 09:17.45 | simonrvn | mm, something like that |
| 09:17.54 | xingu | simonrvn: private ip6/ipsec overlay networks routed over whatever least-cost carriage is available |
| 09:18.01 | dondelelcaro | wols: an attack like that; it's not something that only DHS can do |
| 09:18.08 | simonrvn | anyway enough of this, i need to sleep, it's damned late for me =) |
| 09:18.26 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: for sure |
| 09:18.27 | dondelelcaro | (and indeed, DHS should not be able to do that; that's the domain of FBI, NSA, and possibly CIA.) |
| 09:18.49 | simonrvn | like i said, it's all bullshit ;) |
| 09:19.08 | ribasushi | is it normal that after etch got released all packages drom the `testing` branch are shown as untrusted in aptitude? |
| 09:19.18 | wols | no matter who does, even mentioning to want the capability will now cast a shadow on DSN for every country out there |
| 09:19.21 | xingu | there's some great voice intercept kit now |
| 09:19.37 | wols | basically even when/if they don't get their masterkey, they just undermined DNS |
| 09:19.40 | dondelelcaro | wols: no one should really trust DNS; it's not guaranteed at all |
| 09:19.57 | xingu | we've been playing with a box in the lab that can slice through a gigE pipe full of traffic, pick out the SIP calls, do voice stress and word matching, and splice calls |
| 09:20.36 | wols | xingu: until it's encrypted VoIP is a joke anyways. even when POTS isn't encrypted eiter of course |
| 09:20.37 | xingu | the demo our eng guy put together was fucking awesome; midsentence, this southern us accent chops into both halves of the call and says "I'm sorry, this call is being terminated" |
| 09:20.51 | wols | but POTS was designed 100 years ago. no encryption today is simply irresponsible |
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| 09:21.29 | xingu | encryption costs; and then you need to figure out who you trust to generate and broker public key halves. ;) |
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| 09:21.49 | xingu | and we're right back to square one; balkanised private communities |
| 09:22.03 | xingu | circle the wagons, yeehaw |
| 09:22.17 | wols | xingu: it works pretty well with ssh |
| 09:22.20 | wols | no central auth |
| 09:22.37 | xingu | opportunistic ipsec? yeah, that'd be nice |
| 09:22.52 | wols | could even be a boon: surefire way of knowing: has whoever rings right now ever called me before? |
| 09:23.04 | wols | weeds telemarketers out nicely |
| 09:23.36 | xingu | yep; maybe even put your subscriber cert on a usb keychain or minisd card |
| 09:23.44 | xingu | use it for roaming ... |
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| 09:24.28 | xingu | power on, read cert, register endpoint with public directory, announce presence and endpoint locator. |
| 09:24.39 | xingu | could work |
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| 09:26.08 | xingu | see what I mean about p2p namespaces though? service mapping these days is more about locating a user of a service, than a service |
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| 09:29.49 | ribasushi | anyone on my question? |
| 09:30.07 | ribasushi | why did the entire testing branch turn to `untrusted` status all of a sudden? |
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| 09:31.01 | xingu | ribasushi: at a guess, testing is no longer etch and is lenny? |
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| 09:31.31 | ribasushi | xingu: and why does this affect gpg sigs? |
| 09:31.54 | xingu | ribasushi: maybe there's a new archive key for lenny; I'm just guessing... |
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| 09:32.41 | xingu | ribasushi: maybe update debian-archive-keyring and see if that sorts it? |
| 09:32.57 | xingu | ribasushi: probably you need to be sure that you actually do want to track lenny though |
| 09:32.58 | plutonas | hello, i have some really strange keyboard problems, i use a laptop, and have a usb keyb attached to it, the laptop keyboard works just fine, so did the attached one for months till yesterday: some keys (more often the Ctrl one) sometimes work sometimes no. The keyboard is relatively new, and it has nothing to do with dust or dirt or something like that, because i switched for example Caps with Ctrl, and then Caps worked, Ctrl still |
| 09:32.58 | plutonas | didn't (even in another place). |
| 09:33.04 | plutonas | Any ideas? |
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| 09:34.11 | ribasushi | xingu: yes I am, etch is ice-solid once it is out the door |
| 09:34.24 | ribasushi | xingu: I tried the keyring already, I guess I'll wait a couple of days |
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| 09:37.02 | Daejeo1 | i want to delete the swap file ".helloworld3.vxml.swp" how can I delete? |
| 09:37.40 | Daejeo1 | I am using vim editor. where can I find .swp files? |
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| 09:39.51 | bzed | Daejeo1: in the same directory as helloworld3.vxml |
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| 09:40.02 | bzed | Daejeo1: they're removed automatically when you exit vim in a sane way |
| 09:40.02 | asdx | hi, i was reading slashdot and found this, can you tell me more about it? http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/platforms/sho |
| 09:41.14 | bzed | asdx: sam is the new Debian Project Leader |
| 09:41.23 | asdx | oh |
| 09:41.29 | asdx | nice |
| 09:41.49 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/leader |
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| 09:41.55 | plutonas | no idea? |
| 09:41.59 | nbcb | !help |
| 09:42.03 | asdx | bzed: will he change some things in debian? |
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| 09:42.14 | dondelelcaro | asdx: remains to be seen |
| 09:42.32 | dondelelcaro | asdx: the DPL doesn't actually have much power in Debian, primarily by design |
| 09:42.50 | bzed | asdx: my fishbowl's future prediction features are out of order unfortunately |
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| 09:44.17 | asdx | i see |
| 09:44.39 | bzed | asdx: the platform tells you what going on in his mind, but there's no warranty that anything happens at all, like with all parties and elections |
| 09:45.03 | Daejeo1 | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/430841 |
| 09:45.35 | bzed | Daejeo1: read what it says, it clearly shows the options you have |
| 09:45.36 | Daejeo1 | whenever i try to edit the file i get the above-mentioned msg |
| 09:45.55 | Daejeo1 | but i am unable to find in the same dir |
| 09:46.16 | bzed | Daejeo1: if your last editing session crashed, you can recover it. if you don't want to do that, just rm the file |
| 09:46.35 | bzed | Daejeo1: ls -la will show you the file for example. filenames starting with a . are hidden |
| 09:46.54 | hark | or it allows you to delete it too |
| 09:47.00 | nbcb | etch is just a name for debian 4.0 ? |
| 09:47.48 | bzed | nbcb: yes |
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| 09:47.59 | hark | !etch |
| 09:47.59 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 09:48.11 | plutonas | !lenny |
| 09:48.12 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. |
| 09:48.13 | Daejeo1 | bzed: got it thax man |
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| 09:48.34 | plutonas | hm, that seems wrong, what is the version of lenny? |
| 09:48.47 | plutonas | oh no it says currently, sorry |
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| 09:49.40 | asdx | i think debian is dead sexy, but what drives some people to ubuntu is the 6-month release cycle, i think debian should do a stable branch with some bleeding edge packages, that would rock :) |
| 09:50.11 | asdx | i may be wrong though |
| 09:50.30 | dondelelcaro | asdx: those are two diametrically opposed ideas |
| 09:50.38 | dondelelcaro | asdx: you can't have a stable bleeding edge |
| 09:50.50 | bzed | asdx: if you want not so stable stuff you could stick with testing. |
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| 09:51.22 | asdx | yeah |
| 09:51.25 | asdx | i know i was wrong :) |
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| 09:51.53 | bzed | asdx: releasing some stsable stuff together with some brand new stuff wont' give you a stable system. that's like putting an untested motor in a good working car |
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| 09:52.17 | asdx | bzed: i see |
| 09:52.27 | dondelelcaro | although, if you want specific pakcages which are newer, there is backports.org |
| 09:52.34 | dondelelcaro | (and other backporting efforts) |
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| 09:52.50 | asdx | nice |
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| 09:53.50 | ifireball | just how dangerous is it to upgrade a system that saw a heavy use of backports? |
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| 09:54.21 | EmleyMoor | I have just upgraded to etch on my laptop and psi has gone. It is on my desktop, though |
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| 09:55.04 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: pick one channel to ask in, please; in any event, we'd have to know exactly which packages you upgraded etc. to see why. But you can install spi again if you want. |
| 09:55.30 | EmleyMoor | I cannot install psi - it's not available |
| 09:56.11 | hark | !info psi etch |
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| 09:56.18 | dpkg | psi: (Jabber client using Qt), section net, is optional. Version: 0.10-2 (etch), Packaged size: 2132 kB, Installed size: 5636 kB |
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| 09:56.45 | EmleyMoor | Well, why is my laptop saying there is <none>? |
| 09:57.20 | stone123_ | you laptop is a lier |
| 09:57.22 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm, found it |
| 09:58.27 | EmleyMoor | I'd forgotten to clear my preferences |
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| 10:12.02 | EmleyMoor | Do I have to take any special action with my testing box to have it follow lenny? |
| 10:12.18 | streuner_ | no |
| 10:12.36 | asdx | what is lenny? |
| 10:12.37 | streuner_ | but wait 1-2 weeks when upgrading it |
| 10:12.37 | EmleyMoor | testingt |
| 10:12.37 | streuner_ | !lenny |
| 10:12.37 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. |
| 10:12.38 | EmleyMoor | testing |
| 10:12.40 | xand | not if you have "testing" in your sources.list instead of "etch" |
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| 10:13.51 | RedShift | what tool again is used for controlling if a daemon starts or not? |
| 10:15.05 | EmleyMoor | When will the security be properly ready? |
| 10:15.12 | xingu | RedShift: update-rc.d probably |
| 10:15.23 | RedShift | aah yes |
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| 10:17.57 | EmleyMoor | How do I list packages for which I have a config but no binaries? |
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| 10:20.28 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: dpkg -l | grep ^rc probablz |
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| 10:20.30 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: dpkg -l | grep ^rc probably |
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| 10:22.51 | Vanisher | question, how do i get wireless running on a Dell D810 with an intel 2915ABG card? |
| 10:24.07 | EmleyMoor | Vanisher: Is it compatible with the 2200? |
| 10:24.34 | daya | is there any gui version of minicom? |
| 10:24.36 | valdyn | !update-rc.d |
| 10:24.36 | dpkg | hmm... update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 10:24.46 | Vanisher | EmleyMoor, yes |
| 10:24.52 | daya | so that i can access the router? |
| 10:24.53 | hark | Vanisher: answer, use the ipw2200 driver |
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| 10:25.15 | EmleyMoor | Vanisher: Have you installed the modules for it? |
| 10:25.23 | Vanisher | Hark: running the latest stable ;) ipw2200 driver is loaded, but i can't see my device in the network manager |
| 10:25.38 | EmleyMoor | Have you got the firmware on? |
| 10:25.41 | hark | did you get the firmware too? |
| 10:26.00 | Vanisher | EmleyMoor, Hark, where do i get the firmware? |
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| 10:26.10 | hark | ipw2200.sf.net |
| 10:26.33 | hark | extract in /lib/firmware/ |
| 10:26.50 | EmleyMoor | Fortunately, I had the firmware in an archive on the system and was able to fix that quickly |
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| 10:27.19 | Vanisher | Hark: rgr, one moment, how can i see which ipw2200 version is loaded? |
| 10:27.48 | hark | modinfo |
| 10:27.52 | valdyn | dpkg: update-rc.d is also NOT a tool that sould not be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 10:27.53 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 10:28.01 | hark | heh |
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| 10:28.43 | hark | Vanisher: get v3.0, should be 1.1.2 IIRC |
| 10:28.51 | valdyn | dpkg: update-rc.d =~ s/sould not/should/ |
| 10:28.52 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
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| 10:29.56 | Vanisher | Hark, done, do i have to reload something? |
| 10:30.15 | hark | modprobe it |
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| 10:30.58 | Vanisher | done |
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| 10:31.07 | valdyn | hark: ipw2200 works for the ipw2915 chip? |
| 10:31.07 | hark | say modprobe -r both ipw2200 and ieee80211, then modprobe them. |
| 10:31.49 | hark | yes, for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG and 2915ABG |
| 10:31.54 | Vanisher | hark: done |
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| 10:32.08 | hark | check iwconfig |
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| 10:32.15 | hark | otherwise see dmesg |
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| 10:32.26 | Vanisher | jups, it's there :) great |
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| 10:33.14 | Vanisher | hark, thanks, now i only have to figure out the wpa stuff |
| 10:33.48 | hark | heh, if you don't quite want to deal with it use networkmanager. |
| 10:33.50 | EmleyMoor | Vanisher: Got mine working well but not with the longer WEP keys - WPA is fine as are the shorter WEP |
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| 10:34.12 | ale1 | how do i read a chm file ? |
| 10:34.29 | Vanisher | EmleyMoor, jups, in the networkmanager you can't setup wpa? |
| 10:34.38 | Insolit | alel find a chm reader |
| 10:34.40 | EmleyMoor | ale1: What is a chm file? |
| 10:34.43 | Coweater | ale1: xchm gnochm |
| 10:34.51 | EmleyMoor | Vanisher: No idea - I use wpasupplicant |
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| 10:35.03 | Coweater | which you could have found pretty easily with apt-cache or packages.debian.org |
| 10:35.10 | Vanisher | EmleyMoor, wpasupplicant aha |
| 10:35.15 | hark | google even |
| 10:35.28 | cahoot | Vanisher: nm handles wpa if you want |
| 10:35.32 | Coweater | google's just going to turn up windows crap |
| 10:35.53 | Coweater | plus you want something already packaged, use the tools that exist for it |
| 10:35.58 | Vanisher | cahoot, oki, turning into google one moment |
| 10:35.59 | hark | no, you just need googlefu |
| 10:37.06 | hark | !helpfile wpasupplicant |
| 10:37.06 | dpkg | For help with wpasupplicant, look in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 10:37.40 | hark | man wpa_supplicant.conf ,man wpasupplicant |
| 10:38.07 | hark | er, man wpa_supplicant |
| 10:38.08 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... now I've got everything up to date, ekiga is installable again :-) |
| 10:38.40 | Vanisher | Hark: thanks for pointing! |
| 10:38.59 | hark | Vanisher: though, NM is the easy way |
| 10:39.30 | hark | point and click easy ;) |
| 10:39.33 | Vanisher | hark: looking into NM, but only wep is there? |
| 10:39.40 | hark | no |
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| 10:40.14 | Vanisher | hark: i see only WEP Key: no WPA anywhere |
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| 10:40.24 | EmleyMoor | I have to use wireless on this machine at home as I need special settings on the wired network for use in Windows for work purposes |
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| 10:40.41 | omha | hey |
| 10:40.44 | hark | Vanisher: it does support it, I've used it |
| 10:40.54 | earthian | hello friends. |
| 10:41.05 | omha | can i copy the minimal cd on to a usb pen and use it as a installation source |
| 10:41.07 | omha | ? |
| 10:41.08 | LookTJ | Hi, I have just installed etch. I'm on a livecd. how would I go about installing my wireless ipw2200? |
| 10:41.08 | Insolit | is there a simple way to append to a file at the beggining of its contents? |
| 10:41.09 | earthian | where is my internat speaker device and how could i make it beep? |
| 10:41.14 | earthian | internal* |
| 10:41.14 | Vanisher | hark: cool :) |
| 10:41.17 | LookTJ | with no internet |
| 10:41.22 | EmleyMoor | I'd like to do some clever stuff with my router, and also set up a three-network DHCP server using Debian (if necessary) |
| 10:41.31 | Insolit | lol sorry wrong channel :D |
| 10:42.02 | xand | Insolit: no |
| 10:42.47 | earthian | so? does anybody know there is my internal onboard speaker in /dev ? |
| 10:42.47 | EmleyMoor | LookTJ: The ipw2200 modules are in contrib, and you will need to get the firmware too |
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| 10:42.52 | earthian | how should it be called? |
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| 10:43.05 | hark | EmleyMoor: no, it's in the kernel already |
| 10:43.09 | earthian | OR how could i beep? |
| 10:43.21 | pythonic | earthian: emmanuel? |
| 10:43.32 | hark | !beep |
| 10:43.32 | dpkg | i guess beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 10:43.35 | LookTJ | emleymoor: may I have simple instructions on howto do it? |
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| 10:44.07 | EmleyMoor | LookTJ: Are you saying the machine concerned is not on the Internet? |
| 10:44.11 | pythonic | http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1276 :-/ |
| 10:44.19 | hark | LookTJ: all you need is to get the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net and place it in /lib/firmware. then modprobe ieee80211 and ipw2200. That's all |
| 10:44.19 | earthian | thanks hark |
| 10:44.22 | pythonic | defeats the purpose a little |
| 10:44.48 | LookTJ | EmleyMoor: I have no wired connection |
| 10:44.50 | HardDisk_WP | sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' |
| 10:44.52 | HardDisk_WP | sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 10:44.53 | hark | LookTJ: s/place/extract |
| 10:45.01 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 10:45.05 | HardDisk_WP | what was that? I entered this command and xchat echoed its result to the chan? |
| 10:45.30 | LookTJ | hark: thank you |
| 10:45.31 | hark | yes, that's what /exec -o does |
| 10:45.43 | LookTJ | hark: I will try that |
| 10:46.08 | omha | can i use a usb key as installation source, just by copying the minimal cd on it? |
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| 10:47.21 | HardDisk_WP | Can I make my own Debian-installer-on-a-usb-stick? |
| 10:47.33 | pythonic | HardDisk_WP: yes |
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| 10:47.42 | HardDisk_WP | so that I have all necessary for KDE and not for gnome...and it should run from my 1GB uSB-stick.. |
| 10:47.50 | HardDisk_WP | pythonic, cool. how? |
| 10:47.57 | LookTJ | hark what is the extract command? |
| 10:48.29 | Vanisher | hmm no wpa in network manager |
| 10:48.55 | hark | tar xvzf? |
| 10:48.58 | hark | !tar |
| 10:48.59 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 10:49.02 | HardDisk_WP | omha, there are special media files and instructions for it |
| 10:49.06 | LookTJ | thanks again |
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| 10:50.36 | xand | will I encounter any problems mounting / with the noatime option? |
| 10:51.05 | pythonic | xand: no problems for me |
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| 10:51.15 | LookTJ | off to boot into debian |
| 10:51.23 | Vanisher | Hark: my wireless is stated as eth1 shouldn't it be wlan0 |
| 10:51.46 | hark | no, that's ok |
| 10:51.50 | EmleyMoor | eth1 is fine |
| 10:51.54 | DavidProck1981 | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released WEeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:52.03 | pythonic | viva la debian |
| 10:52.17 | hark | sarge est mort? |
| 10:52.33 | pythonic | hark: if not moribund |
| 10:52.34 | xand | pythonic: good |
| 10:52.34 | DavidProck1981 | put out yesterday |
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| 10:54.07 | crazy_penguin | Debian (Sarge) is dead. Long live Debian (Etch)! :P |
| 10:54.27 | HardDisk_WP | :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) |
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| 10:54.36 | Vanisher | got it to work with wpa_supplicant |
| 10:54.39 | DavidProck1981 | :-D |
| 10:55.26 | omha | can i dist-upgrade a clean sarge install to etch ? |
| 10:55.49 | hark | yes, even an unclean one |
| 10:56.09 | hark | read the etch release notes, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 10:58.48 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:58.49 | dpkg | somebody said qotd152 was <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 10:59.35 | hark | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 11:00.10 | Quibus | DOes someone know if e2fsck -D can be done on a mounteed fs? |
| 11:00.45 | drv | where i can find rndis_host? |
| 11:00.49 | drv | (just testing) |
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| 11:00.59 | EmleyMoor | :-) |
| 11:01.10 | Vanisher_ | Hark, EmleyMoor , thanks for helping guys! |
| 11:01.17 | redduck666 | Quibus: try it and see :-) |
| 11:01.32 | hark | Quibus: nope |
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| 11:02.17 | MrWup | hey guys |
| 11:02.25 | MrWup | how do i stop the xserver? |
| 11:02.27 | hark | it'll warn you too, iirc |
| 11:02.32 | MrWup | im using xserver-xorg |
| 11:02.40 | redduck666 | MrWup: /etc/init.d/gdm stop probably |
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| 11:02.49 | redduck666 | (or whatever display mannager you are using) |
| 11:02.52 | hark | alt + ctrl + backspace |
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| 11:03.02 | EmleyMoor | For Latin15 support do I need transcoded fonts? |
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| 11:05.24 | hark | !where were you |
| 11:05.27 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 11:05.38 | Quibus | so, how do I make use of dir_index? |
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| 11:06.37 | EmleyMoor | How do I set up the keyboard layout on console? For some reason it has reverted to standard on upgrading to etch |
| 11:06.55 | pingouiin | what i'm supose to do when apt-get update tell me : W: GPG error: blahblah NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 , from http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release ? |
| 11:07.11 | drv | EmleyMoor, dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 11:07.12 | redduck666 | EmleyMoor: loadkeys? |
| 11:07.13 | EmleyMoor | pingouiin: Install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 11:07.18 | cahoot | EmleyMoor: reconf console-tools? |
| 11:07.35 | drv | or console-tools heh :) |
| 11:07.50 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: may i ask...how ? please ? |
| 11:08.26 | EmleyMoor | pingouiin: Just pick it in aptitude |
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| 11:08.36 | EmleyMoor | Allow the fact that it's untrusted |
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| 11:08.43 | Vanisher_ | can you login with another user without logging of the current user? |
| 11:08.46 | Vanisher_ | like windows xp? |
| 11:08.57 | crazy_penguin | Vanisher_: su |
| 11:09.01 | crazy_penguin | use su |
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| 11:09.34 | Vanisher_ | crazy_penguin, i meant, can i start another gnome session that my current programs keep running while my wife wan'ts to check mail :) |
| 11:09.38 | EmleyMoor | drv: Doing console-data didn't have any effect - as for console-tools, I will install that |
| 11:09.41 | ale1 | or use the switch user thing |
| 11:09.44 | xand | Vanisher_: HAHA... of course, linux has been always multi-user |
| 11:10.01 | xand | Vanisher_: go to Desktop -> Log Out -> Switch User |
| 11:10.02 | drv | Vanisher, if you're under gnome 2.14+, you can do that smoothly |
| 11:10.08 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: ok, thanks , i just apt-get the package, no more spit out from apt |
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| 11:10.17 | Vanisher_ | xand, ahum ;) |
| 11:10.22 | Vanisher_ | drv, how? |
| 11:10.26 | xand | like I said |
| 11:10.31 | EmleyMoor | pingouiin: That repository will now be trusted |
| 11:10.43 | pythonic | multi-user sucks |
| 11:10.55 | drv | Vanisher, see what xand said |
| 11:10.58 | xand | pythonic: are you high? |
| 11:11.05 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: where i'm supose to get the package its offer ? w32codec etc... ? |
| 11:11.12 | pythonic | xand: i am the lord on high |
| 11:11.23 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: this is the place where marillat moved i thought |
| 11:11.23 | xand | ... |
| 11:11.25 | Vanisher_ | drv, xand: omg feeling stupid atm |
| 11:11.27 | EmleyMoor | pingouiin: It is |
| 11:11.36 | EmleyMoor | Are you using etch? |
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| 11:11.43 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: yes , etch |
| 11:11.54 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 11:12.04 | pythonic | xand: capability systems ftw! |
| 11:12.09 | EmleyMoor | OK - well, assuming you have the line for that in sources.list, it's dead simple |
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| 11:13.07 | xushi | sup all |
| 11:13.20 | xushi | congrats on release 4.0. |
| 11:13.26 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: yep, i got deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main, but as soon as i did it, i had those warning about GPG, that you just helped me to solve...may i can trust this debian-multimedia repo ? |
| 11:13.30 | pythonic | i have supped already |
| 11:13.39 | xushi | From the mirror i see here, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ isn't it overkill to download over 21 CDs just for it ? or am i missing a point ? |
| 11:13.40 | EmleyMoor | Yes, you can trust it |
| 11:13.56 | pythonic | xushi: one cd is usually enough |
| 11:14.03 | xushi | the first ? |
| 11:14.03 | pingouiin | EmleyMoor: ok, so i'm ok now, thanks for your help. |
| 11:14.07 | capiira | why you dont dl the netinstall cd? |
| 11:14.07 | pythonic | xushi: yep |
| 11:14.20 | xushi | pythonic: are the rest just packages ? |
| 11:14.28 | drv | xushi, for a very usable desktop, grab first 2 cds :) |
| 11:14.42 | xushi | thanks, will begin soon :) |
| 11:14.53 | pythonic | xushi: iirc all cds have an installer, but the most popular packages are on the first cd. |
| 11:14.58 | capiira | xushi download the netinstall cd! |
| 11:15.00 | Fade | if you have a network link fast enough to be grabbing iso images, grab the netinst image and install what you want after base. |
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| 11:15.25 | xushi | good point |
| 11:15.29 | drv | xushi, netinst is about ~180mb |
| 11:15.56 | xushi | drv: as long as the netinst has this new graphical installer, i'm in. |
| 11:16.03 | Vanisher_ | where can i change the language for a specific user? |
| 11:16.15 | drv | xushi, yep |
| 11:16.17 | Fade | graphical schmaphical. |
| 11:16.19 | pythonic | but if you want to give a cd to a friend and save them the download, just get the first (and maybe second) full cd. |
| 11:16.21 | Fade | :) |
| 11:16.21 | ale1 | do i need any special codec to play a wmv file ? |
| 11:16.36 | Fade | wmv is a closed microsoft coded. |
| 11:16.41 | Fade | s/coded/codec |
| 11:16.45 | Fade | so, yes. |
| 11:16.48 | ale1 | i can't play all of them |
| 11:16.49 | capiira | yeah there is a graphical installer too but i find it equal the console graphical one too |
| 11:16.52 | xushi | in other distros there is the win32codecs package |
| 11:16.53 | pythonic | mplayer has codecs |
| 11:17.09 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 11:17.10 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
| 11:17.16 | valdyn | !w32codecs |
| 11:17.17 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 11:17.45 | capiira | graphical installer is overrated |
| 11:17.58 | capiira | for me its equal the aka. textbased |
| 11:18.11 | Vanisher_ | !language |
| 11:18.11 | dpkg | language is probably a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
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| 11:18.19 | valdyn | ale1: wmv is not a codec, just a container, some .wmv files need w32codecs, some do not |
| 11:18.53 | EmleyMoor | Why can I no longer install mplayer? There are four libs missing - could it be that they are non-free? |
| 11:19.11 | balodja | hi, where i can find old packages? in packages.debian.org most of versions are up-to-date, but sometimes a bit older versions are needed |
| 11:19.27 | EmleyMoor | ... or just out of date? |
| 11:19.29 | omha | i love debian! |
| 11:19.50 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: latest mplayer is waiting for librarires to be compiled or somesuch, ( the one from debian-multimedia ), cnat be installed |
| 11:19.55 | EmleyMoor | 3:20070329 required byt 3:20070312 available |
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| 11:20.01 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I se |
| 11:20.03 | EmleyMoor | e |
| 11:20.08 | Vanisher_ | Where can i add a new language like 'dutch' for the gnome/kde? |
| 11:20.10 | EmleyMoor | Can live without it for a few days :-) |
| 11:20.23 | dlight | would there be any serious unstability to trying out the experimental kernels from http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ ? |
| 11:20.26 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: maybe you can use debians mplayer package meanwhile |
| 11:21.31 | valdyn | dlight: experimental means ( among other things ), that its not well tested, ymmv, it may cause cancer |
| 11:22.02 | dlight | valdyn: sweet, i'll try it anyway |
| 11:22.38 | dlight | i need the linux-headers package that corresponds to the kernel version im building too, right? |
| 11:22.48 | valdyn | dlight: no |
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| 11:23.28 | pythonic | debian-multimedia.org says apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring but that package is not signed! catch 22!?! |
| 11:23.41 | valdyn | dlight: linux-headers packages are each a supplement to the linux-image package, only required to compile extra modules for just that linux-image |
| 11:23.43 | EmleyMoor | pythonic: Just do it |
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| 11:24.24 | valdyn | pythonic: yea |
| 11:24.37 | pythonic | but what if descartes demon has compromised the debian-multimedia repository? |
| 11:25.26 | nvz | what if pigeons were the dominant species.. |
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| 11:25.31 | triplc | hi all, i install Etch with XFCE desktop but cannot do the transparent things like transparent panels which is seen on screen shots... what package I need to install to get it? |
| 11:26.12 | valdyn | triplc: on which debian release? |
| 11:26.42 | valdyn | triplc: oh sorry, i cant read.. |
| 11:26.45 | nvz | umm... etch ?! |
| 11:26.47 | nvz | heh |
| 11:27.00 | triplc | valdyn: I am using Etch |
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| 11:27.01 | triplc | just realeased yesterday |
| 11:27.10 | valdyn | triplc: you need compiz and make a few changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you need supported hardware ( gfx chip ) |
| 11:27.39 | nvz | I was just reading about the beryl and compiz communities resolving their differences |
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| 11:28.00 | nvz | apparently the projects are merging.. sort-of.. |
| 11:28.07 | triplc | valdyn: oh my... so it requires hardware... my NEC laptop may not have that, so forget it |
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| 11:28.53 | nvz | hah.. no, the transparency is just a clear film you tape to the screen |
| 11:29.03 | nvz | requires no special hardware :P |
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| 11:29.34 | triplc | nvz: clear film !!! :) |
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| 11:30.04 | CharminTheMoose | Do i change my sources.list to etch or to stable? |
| 11:30.18 | raboof | hi! I apt-got xorg, but now somehow my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty. |
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| 11:30.27 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: would it matter? |
| 11:30.29 | raboof | can I reconfigure something to go through the configuration steps again? |
| 11:30.45 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: they are the same thing |
| 11:30.47 | pythonic | aha! instructions for the paranoid: http://www.ulteo.com/main/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5966&sid=00e5da7e6ba6f8b12f773241bd9fb767 |
| 11:30.54 | CharminTheMoose | nvz, oh joy! |
| 11:31.13 | valdyn | !drxx raboof |
| 11:31.14 | dpkg | raboof: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:31.25 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: if you use "Etch" you wont automagically upgrade to Lenny 2 years from now.. heh |
| 11:32.02 | raboof | valdyn: yeah, that was what I was thinking of, thanks! |
| 11:32.09 | CharminTheMoose | nvz, why? |
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| 11:32.28 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: umm cause etch != lenny |
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| 11:32.48 | CharminTheMoose | nvz, i'm using sarge... |
| 11:32.53 | EmleyMoor | How do I list my sound cards? |
| 11:33.08 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: lspci |
| 11:33.09 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: etch will always be stable,but stable wont always be etch |
| 11:33.18 | drv | EmleyMoor, lspci | grep -i multimedia |
| 11:33.27 | EmleyMoor | I was looking more in alsa terms |
| 11:33.35 | xand | etch will be oldstable when lenny is stable :P |
| 11:33.38 | hark | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:33.38 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: cat /proc/asound/devices |
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| 11:33.44 | valdyn | or that |
| 11:33.46 | cahoot | EmleyMoor: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:33.56 | cahoot | doh |
| 11:34.02 | EmleyMoor | Spotted, thanks |
| 11:35.02 | Ronin | not for a long time i suspect nvz |
| 11:35.17 | drv | nemo |
| 11:35.20 | drv | muahaha |
| 11:35.24 | valdyn | !lenny+1 |
| 11:35.32 | valdyn | !etch+2 |
| 11:35.33 | liable | nvz: thats why they release so slowly :) |
| 11:35.40 | hark | heh |
| 11:35.40 | xand | I think it's ridiculous that debian releases are named after a disney film |
| 11:35.55 | nvz | Bo, Rex, Buzz, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Sid are all taken so far I don't think I missed any |
| 11:35.55 | Ronin | ok ill bite, why is that xand |
| 11:36.02 | cahoot | disney? |
| 11:36.02 | hark | pixar history |
| 11:36.03 | xand | disney is an "evil corporation" |
| 11:36.16 | Harzilein | going offline as i have to give back the pcmcia card |
| 11:36.35 | Coweater | toy story is a pixar film |
| 11:36.35 | Ronin | ahh so no real reason |
| 11:36.43 | xand | it's disney too |
| 11:37.24 | hark | Bruce Perens used to work for pixar |
| 11:37.40 | Ronin | and why is disney an evil corporation |
| 11:37.42 | nvz | yeah? he used to work for debian too |
| 11:37.45 | liable | !seen paulswm |
| 11:37.46 | dpkg | paulswm <n=cymro@50.225.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 68d 13h 50m 32s ago, saying: 'hey abrotman'. |
| 11:37.49 | defcon8 | I'm on the previous etch than 4.0. How do I update to 4.0? |
| 11:37.52 | hark | that's why |
| 11:38.18 | CaT[tm] | defcon: make sure you have etch and not testing in your sources file and then proceed as always |
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| 11:38.28 | LookTJ | hey hark you still there? |
| 11:38.38 | defcon8 | CaT[tm], apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? Nothing is showing up |
| 11:38.42 | hark | um, yes? |
| 11:38.56 | LookTJ | I have extracted ipw2200 firmware, and modprobed it |
| 11:38.57 | liable | why do i keep singing carols when i hear that nick? |
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| 11:38.59 | defcon8 | is it because I'm on amd64 or something? |
| 11:38.59 | CaT[tm] | defcon: then there may have been no changes since your last upgrade |
| 11:39.02 | nvz | hark the herald angels sing, glory to the new born king |
| 11:39.05 | hark | LookTJ: iwconfig show it? |
| 11:39.08 | xand | Ronin: seems silly for an organisation that promotes free software etc to be using names from a company that is completely at odds to those ideals |
| 11:39.09 | nvz | liable: you too? |
| 11:39.10 | Whisper | Where is the ipconfig file in debian? |
| 11:39.10 | defcon8 | CaT[tm], oh |
| 11:39.16 | liable | nvz: yes :( |
| 11:39.16 | xand | !interfaces |
| 11:39.16 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 11:39.18 | LookTJ | but it doesn't work |
| 11:39.22 | wols | defcon8: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 11:39.26 | wols | what version is displayed? |
| 11:39.40 | defcon8 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:39.45 | Decepticon | how hard is it to go from sarge to etch for a complete boob like me |
| 11:39.47 | LookTJ | I downloading the latest firmware |
| 11:39.57 | defcon8 | Decepticon, not hard if I was using debian when I was 12 |
| 11:40.01 | nvz | liable: I make a motion to surpress caroling in favor of breakfast |
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| 11:40.02 | LookTJ | oh I have not trie iwconfig |
| 11:40.03 | wols | xand: toy story is not a disney movie, it's a pixar movie. disney is/was only the distributor |
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| 11:40.09 | wols | even when pixar is now owned by disney |
| 11:40.14 | liable | dont make us break out the 'doesnt work' factoid |
| 11:40.14 | LookTJ | brb in five |
| 11:40.19 | xand | it's still disney |
| 11:40.35 | LookTJ | also I checked the network manager |
| 11:40.38 | Ronin | whatever |
| 11:40.38 | nvz | I don't feel much like cooking, but I've got a giant sized craving for something |
| 11:40.41 | liable | nvz: you have brekky, and i'll drink beer ;) |
| 11:40.46 | LookTJ | only thing I see there is eth0 |
| 11:40.48 | proog | i netinstalled etch and i want to apt-get icepref, but it says it has no installation candidate although packages.debian.org lists it |
| 11:41.01 | wols | proog: run apt-spy |
| 11:41.08 | hark | !info icepref etch |
| 11:41.14 | liable | LookTJ: forget network manager for now |
| 11:41.24 | liable | LookTJ: ifconfig -a |
| 11:41.27 | wols | proog: you probably miss the debian repos in your sources.list |
| 11:41.32 | LookTJ | remember I am on a livecd |
| 11:41.39 | nvz | liable: heh. liquid bread.. add some bacon fat and egg nog and you got breakfast in a glass |
| 11:41.54 | proog | wols: what repos do i need to have? |
| 11:42.00 | defcon8 | nvz, ewwwwww |
| 11:42.01 | xand | a disgustingly unhealthy breakfast! |
| 11:42.02 | LookTJ | I have copied whatever you say on my flash drive |
| 11:42.06 | wols | proog: the debian ones. do what I told you |
| 11:42.20 | Ronin | but i bet its damn tasty xand :) |
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| 11:42.32 | liable | nvz: eek, i love my beer, but i wouldnt do that.. but its 8pm here |
| 11:42.39 | xand | Ronin: not to me :| I'd probably puke >.< |
| 11:42.49 | DavidProck1981 | any one know if Sacred Plus or Diablo 2 LoD can work with wine or some type of windows emulater that will work on Etch |
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| 11:42.57 | proog | wols: ok, im downloading apt-spy |
| 11:42.57 | nvz | I like potatoes with breakfast but I dont think I have any, and dont much feel like cooking them anyhow |
| 11:43.09 | wols | defcon8: winehoq.com. And yes D2LoD will work with WINE |
| 11:43.10 | hark | DavidProck1981: check the appdb at winehq.org or #winehq |
| 11:43.12 | wols | dunno about sacred |
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| 11:43.15 | LookTJ | liable: what do I do after I enter the ifconfig command? |
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| 11:43.20 | liable | Ronin: of course it would be |
| 11:43.31 | hark | Diablo is platinum iirc, so yes |
| 11:43.59 | liable | stupid lagging ssh connection |
| 11:44.03 | defcon8 | wols, pardon me? |
| 11:44.06 | Decepticon | how do i check what video card i got? |
| 11:44.07 | wols | liable: you check if your wlan exists there and if yes, you do "man interfaces" and read this. /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools is also a good idea |
| 11:44.08 | Decepticon | in sarge |
| 11:44.09 | liable | LookTJ: does it just show eth0? |
| 11:44.19 | wols | should have been DavidProck1981 |
| 11:44.21 | proog | wols: what should i do with apt-spy? |
| 11:44.31 | wols | proog: what I told you |
| 11:44.35 | wols | proog: or read its manpage |
| 11:45.00 | LookTJ | do I really have to dual boot between a cd and and a hdd lol? |
| 11:45.11 | wols | LookTJ: no, why would you? |
| 11:45.22 | wols | defcon8: lspci -v |
| 11:45.26 | wols | grrrr |
| 11:45.29 | wols | Decepticon: lspci -v |
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| 11:45.33 | liable | LookTJ: cant you plug ethernet in till you get your wireless sorted? |
| 11:45.35 | LookTJ | I'm on an xubuntu cd |
| 11:45.37 | Decepticon | thanks wols |
| 11:45.56 | wols | LookTJ: go out and read some howtows, save the text for reading while you're in debian |
| 11:46.17 | LookTJ | um my router is in my brother's room(don't wanna wake him |
| 11:46.20 | wols | but as liable says: it gets loads easier when you have a network connection to set up wireless |
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| 11:46.51 | exhuma | hi, how do I tell apt to pick only one specific package from "testing"? |
| 11:46.53 | wols | it also helps to disable all encrpytion when trying to connect the first time |
| 11:46.59 | liable | LookTJ: screw him, kjust run a cable out the door |
| 11:47.10 | wols | exhuma: you can't. dependencies are always needed |
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| 11:47.21 | hark | LookTJ: did you extract the firmware finally then? |
| 11:47.27 | wols | exhuma: only alternatrives are either a backport if one exists or create a backport yourself |
| 11:47.48 | hark | or pin like mad |
| 11:47.59 | exhuma | hark: :) |
| 11:48.01 | EmleyMoor | What's a good webcam for use on Debian these days? |
| 11:48.04 | wols | exhuma: but you DO know that currently testing and stable are the same? former testing (etch) is now stable, right? |
| 11:48.16 | LookTJ | hark I have extracted the firmware to /lib/firmware like you said |
| 11:48.17 | exhuma | ah |
| 11:48.25 | exhuma | wols: since when? |
| 11:48.31 | wols | since yesterday |
| 11:48.31 | Whisper | is this a correct setup of a nic in debian? [13:48] <Bromid> iface eth1 inet static |
| 11:48.32 | Whisper | [13:48] <Bromid> adress 192.168.0.2 |
| 11:48.32 | Whisper | [13:48] <Bromid> netmas 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:48.39 | hark | LookTJ: does iwconfig show it? any devices with wireless extensions? |
| 11:48.46 | Whisper | if you dont cunt the misspelling |
| 11:48.50 | crm__ | EmleyMoor .. i have spent the last few days trying to get my webcams working on debian |
| 11:48.56 | EmleyMoor | lenny is the same as etch right now but won't stay the same |
| 11:49.09 | Decepticon | yay im so happy etch is here, i think im going to save all my shit onto a jump drive and format with etch instead of upgrading. way easier for boobs like me |
| 11:49.10 | crm__ | EmleyMoor .. quickcam 4000 pro |
| 11:49.11 | EmleyMoor | crm__: I had one but it broke down |
| 11:49.17 | wols | Whisper: possible need a default gateway too |
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| 11:49.25 | EmleyMoor | (not a Quickcam) |
| 11:49.30 | crm__ | how did you get it working EmleyMoor ? |
| 11:49.35 | LookTJ | hmm did my connection get killed? |
| 11:49.44 | Whisper | wols have one on the other nic |
| 11:49.48 | crm__ | EmleyMoor .. the quickcam 4000 pro is supposed to be compatible with the phillips driver |
| 11:49.52 | hark | LookTJ: iwconfig? |
| 11:50.02 | wols | Whisper: add "network 192.168.0.0" |
| 11:50.03 | EmleyMoor | The one I had before was a Creative that worked fine with the OV511 driver |
| 11:50.12 | liable | i think some of the logitecs are well supported even with fairly good res |
| 11:50.20 | crm__ | EmleyMoor .. but i also have the added complexity of trying to do it via a pcmcia bus |
| 11:50.21 | Whisper | wols okay, how do i restart a nic? |
| 11:50.22 | liable | the usb2 ones |
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| 11:50.33 | wols | whisper: man ifup |
| 11:50.43 | LookTJ | hark: I'll tell you when I come back |
| 11:50.59 | Whisper | i cant do it with init? |
| 11:51.03 | liable | get that ethernet |
| 11:51.17 | hark | LookTJ: if it does not show, check dmesg |tail when you modprobe it |
| 11:51.18 | wols | Whisper: you can never do with init. you can use /etc/init.d/networking restart tho |
| 11:51.46 | wols | well you can change runlevels but that's a big cannon on a very small bird |
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| 11:51.59 | LookTJ | hark: thank you |
| 11:52.08 | Whisper | wols i just wanna make it take the changes from the conf.... |
| 11:52.21 | wols | and I told you at least two ways to do it |
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| 11:52.56 | EmleyMoor | Next job: wine |
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| 11:53.14 | Whisper | restart works then? ( i never uses debian normally) |
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| 11:53.32 | wols | Whisper: what works best is to start reading |
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| 11:54.00 | Vanisher_ | how can i install additional locales on etch? |
| 11:54.02 | germieb | Can anyone give the the thumbs up on the latest MM-sources patchset combined with latest ati-drivers? does it work? |
| 11:54.15 | wols | !tell Vanisher_ about locales |
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| 11:54.27 | wols | germieb: ask ati, not us |
| 11:54.37 | germieb | .. |
| 11:54.40 | germieb | you cant be serious |
| 11:54.42 | rokstar | hi guys, do you know where i can find a guide to compile the kernel in order to speed up X? In these days my performance with X really sucks, even if i have 1GB RAM and a 128MB GeForce4 graphic device. I think that maybe there is something i did not put in my custom kernel, or maybe a bad package somewhere. |
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| 11:54.58 | wols | I can. neither fglrx nor mm patches are in debian, are they? |
| 11:54.58 | Vanisher_ | wols, done that, but when i want to login with a different locale it says that it doesn't exist |
| 11:55.15 | wols | closed source software is supported by whoever writes it. debian supports Free software |
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| 11:55.40 | wols | Vanisher_: what did you do? |
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| 11:56.10 | nox-Hand | I have all my music files here, at home, in a dir line. Like, Music/ Opeth Metallica System\ of\ a \ Down\ etc.. And I have a good deal of that online on the same file structure. On a Debian server. Can I make from my PC make it sync the files on the server? So all the files it does not yet have it uploads and stores? Yet leaving all the stuff it already has. |
| 11:56.14 | misfitx7 | was gnome 2.18 included in etch? |
| 11:56.22 | germieb | Ok....I am just looking for someone to tell me it installs fine for them when they are using MM-sources are not, simple question, ati would tell me bug off, tis a question for a linux user not ati |
| 11:56.25 | wols | misfitx7: no |
| 11:56.29 | Vanisher_ | wols, run dpkg-reconfigure locales and added nl_NL.UTF-8 |
| 11:56.29 | wols | misfitx7: 2.14 |
| 11:56.50 | Vanisher_ | wols, logged out, change language, logged in.. error : locale does not exist |
| 11:56.50 | cahoot | nox-Hand: look at rsync |
| 11:57.03 | misfitx7 | bummer |
| 11:57.08 | wols | !utf-8 |
| 11:57.09 | dpkg | [utf-8] Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man pages. |
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| 11:57.36 | hark | that's a big one |
| 11:57.41 | nox-Hand | cahoot: Shall do |
| 11:57.42 | pmfp | What hardware is debian.org running on? |
| 11:57.51 | b_jonas | hi, |
| 11:57.55 | wols | hark: factoid? utf-8 is a big thing too |
| 11:57.56 | b_jonas | this is probably a stupid question, but |
| 11:58.19 | Vanisher_ | aha |
| 11:58.26 | b_jonas | what do I have to write to /etc/apt/sources.list to mean sarge, not etch |
| 11:58.27 | hark | heh, yes indeed |
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| 11:58.37 | b_jonas | apparently "stable" now means etch as it's released |
| 11:58.41 | wols | b_jonas: either "sarge" or "oldstable" right now |
| 11:58.53 | pmfp | b_jonas: replace etch or stable with sarge or oldstable |
| 11:59.00 | pmfp | b_jonas: in that file |
| 11:59.07 | b_jonas | thanks, I'll try that |
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| 11:59.27 | CaT[tm] | a very loud part of me wishes the terms testing and stable were stricken from sources.list examples and creation sw. |
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| 12:00.15 | b_jonas | well, the terms are now removed from mine |
| 12:00.26 | b_jonas | I'll change it to etch once I do the upgrade |
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| 12:02.31 | hark | why build it? |
| 12:02.48 | Honzika | Hi, when i can give Etch release in linuxshop.cz/shop is only RC2, is in czech republic other linux cd shop ? |
| 12:02.50 | EmleyMoor | hark: Because the ready-built version doesn't work for me |
| 12:03.29 | b_jonas | ok, that seems to work |
| 12:03.42 | hark | !cz |
| 12:03.43 | dpkg | somebody said cz was Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
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| 12:03.48 | EmleyMoor | It gets too out of date too quickly anyway |
| 12:03.51 | hark | Honzika: ^ try here |
| 12:03.56 | Honzika | ok |
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| 12:04.19 | hark | or use googlefu |
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| 12:04.42 | Honzika | oh sorry i won't |
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| 12:04.58 | Guerin | ... |
| 12:05.01 | wols | EmleyMoor: wine usually has debs of their latest IIRC |
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| 12:05.20 | wols | EmleyMoor: so at least get deb sources and build debs if you really must self compile |
| 12:05.22 | Honzika | * won't it |
| 12:05.26 | hark | EmleyMoor: yes, it's pretty old i guess. do a build-dep, easier. |
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| 12:05.35 | EmleyMoor | wols: Granted, but they are usually for testing/unstable only |
| 12:06.01 | wols | EmleyMoor: who cares? you build your own anyways |
| 12:06.10 | hark | their debs are only for Ubuntu ttbomk |
| 12:06.13 | wols | grab that source and start compiling that |
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| 12:06.33 | wols | hark: long time since it got them from there but at least then they were for debian |
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| 12:06.59 | hark | now they have a disclaimer. |
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| 12:07.52 | Guerin | or use checkinstall |
| 12:07.57 | Guerin | which is the win |
| 12:08.00 | Sero | #flood |
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| 12:09.06 | LookTJ | Hey hark |
| 12:09.28 | hark | "Packages here used to also work for Debian unstable, however due to changes in Debian this no longer works and our Ubuntu maintainer is unable to support them" |
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| 12:09.29 | LookTJ | iwconfig doesn't show any wireless driver |
| 12:09.43 | LookTJ | only eth0 and lo still |
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| 12:09.53 | hark | checked dmesg? |
| 12:09.57 | LookTJ | yep |
| 12:10.14 | Sero | Hey, I'm having trouble upgrading one of my boxes. Its currently running the 2.2 kernel and when I tried the dist-upgrade it has unmet dependencies that cannot be solved by passing -f |
| 12:10.19 | hark | what did it say? |
| 12:10.29 | LookTJ | hark: http://pastebin.ca/430988 |
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| 12:10.32 | Guerin | hark: haha |
| 12:10.38 | Guerin | hark: that wine message is so backwards |
| 12:10.46 | pmfp | so no one knows what hardware debian.org is running on? |
| 12:10.54 | Guerin | hark: since ubuntu broke binary compatibility with debian, not the other way around |
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| 12:11.11 | Guerin | pmfp: debian.org isn't a single machine |
| 12:11.11 | exhuma | ack.... I just updated the apt-packages list and ran an update. |
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| 12:11.28 | exhuma | no postgresql refuses to run as it complains that it cannot find "root.crt" |
| 12:11.34 | exhuma | any ideas? |
| 12:11.44 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 12:11.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 12:11.50 | pmfp | guerin: but do you know where I can find a layout of how it's structured? preferably both hw and sw |
| 12:12.03 | hark | LookTJ: hmm, doeen't say anything.. |
| 12:12.19 | Sero | upgrading trouble: http://pastebin.ca/430991 |
| 12:12.25 | hark | LookTJ: you extracted the firmware in /lib/firmware/ ; modprobed ieee80211 and ipw2200 ? |
| 12:12.25 | Guerin | pmfp: it's not information that's made public ... not for any reason I know of, other than that it isn't especially relevant |
| 12:12.28 | LookTJ | I did "modprobe ieee80211" |
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| 12:12.37 | LookTJ | and "modprobe ipw2200" |
| 12:12.46 | Guerin | pmfp: until recently, www.debian.org was hosted on a dual p3 |
| 12:12.51 | Guerin | that's all I know |
| 12:12.54 | LookTJ | perhaps ieee80211 isn't installed? |
| 12:13.00 | Guerin | the primary host, i mean |
| 12:13.01 | pmfp | Guerin: well, there's been talk about upgrading the website - hence my interest |
| 12:13.04 | pmfp | guerin: okay, thanks |
| 12:13.06 | Guerin | it's always been a round-robin |
| 12:13.12 | hark | LookTJ: it's in the kernel.. running etch right? |
| 12:13.22 | LookTJ | yes etch |
| 12:13.31 | hark | LookTJ: no messages when modprobing? |
| 12:13.38 | LookTJ | nope |
| 12:13.42 | yellow_chicken | debian 4 requires how many cd for a basic install? enough that i can apt-get everything, open office, koffice etc... |
| 12:13.47 | hark | that's good |
| 12:13.55 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: without a network connection? |
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| 12:14.20 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: i'd guess two cds ... maybe 3. No more than 3. |
| 12:14.22 | Sero | anyone know how to fix this: fice, koffice etc... |
| 12:14.22 | Sero | <hark> that's good |
| 12:14.25 | yellow_chicken | Guerin: well, enough that i can apt get |
| 12:14.29 | LookTJ | hmmm.... |
| 12:14.40 | Sero | sorry; http://pastebin.ca/430991 |
| 12:14.43 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: you can apt-get *anything*, even on a 300baud modem |
| 12:14.50 | Guerin | it just takes longer than you might want |
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| 12:15.04 | yellow_chicken | Guerin: still need kernel |
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| 12:15.27 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: yeah, because they wouldn't put a kernel on cd1 |
| 12:15.33 | LookTJ | hark: so what do I do now? |
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| 12:16.14 | yellow_chicken | Guerin: distrowatch.com says debian have 21 cd!!!! cool |
| 12:16.16 | hark | LookTJ: maybe try a modprobe -r for both of them and try modprobe them again. should work. dmesg should tell |
| 12:16.25 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 12:16.25 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 12:16.34 | LookTJ | ok |
| 12:16.36 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: We Got The Big Dicks. |
| 12:16.55 | yellow_chicken | =) |
| 12:17.04 | Guerin | itym ==========D |
| 12:17.06 | vleon | hi can someone please explain why there are so many disks of debian and what should i download? |
| 12:17.09 | hark | LookTJ: iwconfig and ifconfig -a should show it as well |
| 12:17.17 | Guerin | vleon:download the install guide |
| 12:17.29 | LookTJ | ok thanks again |
| 12:17.34 | vleon | install guide where? |
| 12:17.41 | hark | LookTJ: i'll be back in about an hour or so :) |
| 12:17.42 | Guerin | vleon: on debian.org |
| 12:17.54 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.56 | yellow_chicken | Guerin: hope all those packages are tested thoroughly |
| 12:18.11 | vleon | installation manual? |
| 12:18.14 | Guerin | pngwn: i wasn't even talking to your useless arse |
| 12:18.32 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: hope away. In my experience they're pretty bulletproof. |
| 12:18.35 | Guerin | vleon: yes. |
| 12:18.45 | vleon | thaks |
| 12:18.50 | vleon | *thanks |
| 12:19.01 | yellow_chicken | quite a jump from 14 cd to 21 cd |
| 12:19.25 | Guerin | i'll be upgrading my only remaining sagre box (a weak-link multi-purpose server) as soon as my backup finishes |
| 12:19.42 | Guerin | yellow_chicken: the amount of software in the world only grows, it never shrinks |
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| 12:20.12 | lero_ | running amd64 on em64t machines give performance difference instead of i386? |
| 12:20.16 | MarcoPau | my mouse is frequently freezing, and I noticed it does more often the more firefox tabs I have opened |
| 12:20.25 | Guerin | lero_: depends what you're doing. |
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| 12:20.31 | MarcoPau | the only thing I can do is disconnect and reconnect it to the usb port |
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| 12:20.46 | DavidProck1981 | Guerin it shrinks when u get hold of it LOL |
| 12:20.46 | lero_ | Guerin, for a desktop machine? |
| 12:20.52 | Guerin | MarcoPau: try killing firefox once in a while, or disabling flash/java |
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| 12:20.57 | yellow_chicken | Guerin: yet the amount of usuable software does not fluctuate too much |
| 12:20.59 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: WANG |
| 12:21.29 | DavidProck1981 | WANG? |
| 12:21.38 | yellow_chicken | Guerin: i.e. you only need one calculator. |
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| 12:21.46 | Guerin | lero_: probably no real benefit. The main boost is felt in things like heavy maths, media encoding, hardcore database work, etc |
| 12:21.53 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: W4NG |
| 12:21.53 | kisielk | can some recommend me a tool that will generate parity information for a directory of files and then verify / allow recovery of files? |
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| 12:21.57 | aljaber | hi! |
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| 12:22.02 | Guerin | kisielk: par2 |
| 12:22.03 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
| 12:22.07 | MarcoPau | Guerin: now for example it's frozen, just killed firefox and it won't restart moving |
| 12:22.27 | Guerin | MarcoPau: wow, that's fucked. Are you running flash? |
| 12:22.30 | lero_ | Guerin, right. and for a server with apache/mysql/firebird/tomcat/ldap, it's has benefits? |
| 12:22.39 | aljaber | how could i list all availabel man pages on a system |
| 12:22.43 | Guerin | lero_: possibly. Depends. |
| 12:22.49 | MarcoPau | Guerin: actually noticed from the last upgrade that even if I disconnect and reconnect it, it won't help |
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| 12:22.56 | pythonic | flash sucks |
| 12:23.00 | Guerin | MarcoPau: ps/2 mouse? |
| 12:23.04 | MarcoPau | Guerin: nope, usb |
| 12:23.10 | Guerin | pythonic: ne'er a truer words spoken |
| 12:23.16 | yellow_chicken | aljaber: you might want to check /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 12:23.18 | MarcoPau | Guerin: it's fucked yes... I have no flash running at the moment |
| 12:23.20 | pythonic | gnash ftw! |
| 12:23.23 | Guerin | MarcoPau: try unloading the usb modules |
| 12:23.25 | MarcoPau | Guerin: since firefox has been just killed |
| 12:23.40 | Guerin | MarcoPau: but was flash running when ff crashed? |
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| 12:23.45 | aljaber | yellow_chicken, thanks, but to check what? |
| 12:23.59 | pythonic | oracle is my only non-free software :-/ |
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| 12:24.13 | Guerin | i ask because flash gets direct access to the video card, and can therefore break a bunch of shit |
| 12:24.13 | MarcoPau | Guerin: don't think so... I might have had a youtube window opened? |
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| 12:24.23 | Guerin | MarcoPau: often you don't realise flash is there |
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| 12:24.25 | yellow_chicken | aljaber: those apps are installed on your system. so most likely a man page is tere too for each app |
| 12:24.36 | Guerin | this is why you should always use flashblock/adblock/etc |
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| 12:24.51 | MarcoPau | Guerin: anyway I don't really think it's mainly due to firefox. for what I experienced it seems to just do it more often when I have a big amount of opened tabs |
| 12:24.57 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 12:25.10 | aljaber | yellow_chicken, also there are functions and other things, is there any other way to do so? |
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| 12:25.17 | MarcoPau | Guerin: heh, exactly... should I check for any runnign application? |
| 12:25.18 | Guerin | well, ff does have known memory leaks - but I've never seen it do eviller shit than that without flash |
| 12:25.26 | yellow_chicken | aljaber: i don't know |
| 12:25.38 | aljaber | yellow_chicken, many thanks to you! |
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| 12:26.15 | yellow_chicken | aljaber: i know you want all the man page, but i don't think that are installed in one place /path |
| 12:26.45 | EmleyMoor | My bank disallow Iceweasel - I have set up a way to fool them into thinking it's Firefox |
| 12:27.03 | doschdn | hi.. aren't there any install images for usb strick anymore for etch? i can't find them |
| 12:27.15 | aljaber | yellow_chicken, i know that , but it will be easier to seach each path with an easier method! |
| 12:27.24 | yellow_chicken | EmleyMoor: why weasel? why not sea monkey |
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| 12:27.49 | moldy | hi |
| 12:27.49 | EmleyMoor | yellow_chicken: iceape you mean.... They probably disallow that too |
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| 12:28.19 | MarcoPau | Guerin: now if I disconnect the usb mouse I won't even get a log in /var/log/messages |
| 12:28.21 | eps | lenny is the new release name :| |
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| 12:28.31 | eps | surely there was some thing cooler |
| 12:28.35 | MarcoPau | as if I didn't even disconnect or reconnect it |
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| 12:29.36 | EmleyMoor | eps: So far, buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge and etch have been used and sid is reserved for unstable - not that I know the films well... |
| 12:29.59 | exhuma | What can be done to connect to mysql as user "root" when it complains the password is incorrect. Although I typed it correctly? |
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| 12:30.13 | wols | exhuma: mysql doesn't use normal accounts |
| 12:30.13 | cmb_ | On my old Mandrake setup, this "just worked" - but where on debian (testing) does a USB mass storage device plugged in get mounted? |
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| 12:30.26 | wols | !tell cmb_ about usb-storage |
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| 12:30.53 | MrWup | which is best? exim postfix or sendmail? |
| 12:30.56 | xand | cmb_: unless you have setup some automount stuff, it won't get mounted by itself |
| 12:30.58 | xand | MrWup: exim |
| 12:31.00 | MrWup | does either have kerberos compat? |
| 12:31.04 | wols | exhuma: look in your my.cnf. additional accounts are added with mysql itself |
| 12:31.06 | yellow_chicken | EmleyMoor: iceape i mean not.... sea monkey has a brand name |
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| 12:31.11 | eps | EmleyMoor heh; guess I've never looked back past slink...guess debian has been around long enough to use that many names :P |
| 12:31.18 | wols | MrWup: anything but postfix |
| 12:31.28 | xyz123 | I would like to extend a bash script to notify its completion by a X on-screen text string "on top" of everything else. I run kde. Any ideas? |
| 12:31.32 | eps | out of interest; having been overly ten years since I saw the movie (I think?); which one was lenny |
| 12:31.34 | Vanisher | !ntfs |
| 12:31.34 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 12:31.34 | wols | MrWup: why kerberos? |
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| 12:31.52 | MarcoPau | anybody has hints for this freezing usb mouse? |
| 12:31.54 | MrWup | well i dont know really. im trying to find a mailserver to go with egroupware/phpgroupware |
| 12:32.13 | wols | MrWup: why would you need kerberos for that? |
| 12:32.14 | EmleyMoor | I heard someone refer to NTFS as "Not That FileSystem!" the other day |
| 12:32.16 | MrWup | wols, i just need something that will work seamlessly with egroupware, which is logged into via kerberos auth |
| 12:32.22 | kisielk | MarcoPau: try a different one? |
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| 12:32.41 | MrWup | wols, so a user opens MSIE on a windows XP machine. NTLM then automatically logs them into egroupware using their windows domain credentials |
| 12:32.47 | MrWup | same with outlook |
| 12:32.50 | MarcoPau | kisielk: it's not really the mouse's fault. it started happening lately, and it does not under windoze |
| 12:33.04 | doschdn | by the way.. what's going to happen when all toy story names are taken? |
| 12:33.07 | cmb_ | wols, xand OK. Found http://www.samwel.tk/bart/various/usb_storage_on_debian.html - hasn't someone packaged up this hacking around already? |
| 12:33.17 | Vanisher | how can you read NTFS from etch? |
| 12:33.23 | EmleyMoor | doschdn: They'll come up with something else |
| 12:33.25 | Onur | Hi. I need to help a creatin package from a java program. Java programs is using ant build files. How to be rules file? Do you have any advice or document for java programs packaging? |
| 12:33.39 | wols | Vanisher: the factoid just told you |
| 12:33.42 | EmleyMoor | Vanisher: If your kernel has ntfs support, it's just a matter of mounting the filesystem |
| 12:33.43 | xand | cmb_: maybe, I don't know... I always mount my usb drives manually |
| 12:33.43 | eps | doschdn well my assumption was that debian would never release fast enough for that to happen in my life time...but now with a 21 month release cycle I guess I may be wrong |
| 12:33.44 | eps | :P |
| 12:33.51 | tremor | an info from dpkg says: (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32 ...) but I can't find this package. Is it possibly, that my sources.list misses some parts, that are needed? I've included 'unstable main contrib non-free' for deb and deb-src. |
| 12:34.03 | kisielk | doschdn: well, looking at Wikipedia, there's probably around 40 that could be used :) |
| 12:34.09 | kisielk | doschdn: that might take a while |
| 12:34.11 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx-ia32 sid |
| 12:34.17 | Vanisher | EmleyMoor, will have a look |
| 12:34.18 | doschdn | true ;) |
| 12:34.20 | exhuma | wols: I only found the "old_passwords" setting. Tried to change it, but it did not help. Note that I just upgraded from 4.x to 5.x! |
| 12:34.20 | wols | tremor: no. most probably factoid is out of date |
| 12:34.20 | tremor | valdyn: thank you. |
| 12:34.22 | xand | tremor: you dont want to be adding unstable sources to etch :| |
| 12:34.29 | eps | kisielk we could just force them to make another toy story which has hundreds of names :D |
| 12:34.39 | valdyn | !test |
| 12:34.39 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 12:35.13 | LookTJ | hark ok dmesg said something |
| 12:35.24 | kisielk | eps: good idea :) |
| 12:35.26 | Onur | java-package ok found |
| 12:35.31 | eps | :) |
| 12:36.50 | wols | MrWup: MTAs rarely if ever need password protection. especially not on a LAN |
| 12:36.50 | xand | wols: that's rubbish |
| 12:36.51 | LookTJ | hark: http://pastebin.ca/431013 |
| 12:36.51 | tremor | xand: etch is testing ?! so I'm testing here with sid (unstable). Does your info means the same, for both? |
| 12:36.51 | EmleyMoor | etch is stable |
| 12:36.51 | xushi | sup all. I've noticed i18n parses SQL querries sent in drupal.. anyone knows how? I've got a set of my own that for some resaon refuse to be included |
| 12:36.52 | EmleyMoor | lenny is testing |
| 12:36.56 | MrWup | etch is testing |
| 12:36.56 | eps | etch is now stable; was testing just last week :) |
| 12:36.59 | xand | wols: many organisations use authentatication on their MTAs to allow offsite sending |
| 12:37.02 | MrWup | oh |
| 12:37.13 | wols | RedShift: if they accepted connections from outside... |
| 12:37.15 | eps | sif is unstable; tremor I made the same mistake as you several years ago...I've been running sid since :) |
| 12:37.18 | LookTJ | and sid is unstable |
| 12:37.20 | tremor | EmleyMoor: ah, thank you all. so i missed something the last weeks |
| 12:37.23 | MarcoPau | isn't there any way to "reboot" the usb controller? |
| 12:37.24 | hark | LookTJ: moment |
| 12:37.24 | wols | xand: " especially not on a LAN" |
| 12:37.31 | EmleyMoor | etch went stable yesterday |
| 12:37.39 | xand | wols: you said "rarely if ever" |
| 12:37.43 | wols | and how many windows domains extend across the internet? |
| 12:37.46 | LookTJ | hark: ok |
| 12:37.53 | xand | wols: ours does ;) |
| 12:37.58 | wols | xand: vpn? |
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| 12:38.09 | xand | well... a very small part of it |
| 12:38.13 | wols | cause I certainly wouldn't use domains any other way |
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| 12:38.20 | xand | not VPN, some other fancy tunnelling I think |
| 12:38.22 | mike1o | !amd64 |
| 12:38.23 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 12:38.27 | roxy_ | I am using iceweasl and want to set up java plugins. Where is the plugin directory ? |
| 12:38.30 | wols | and if you use a VPN, the offsite people are logically "on site" anyways |
| 12:38.36 | LookTJ | xand: vnc? |
| 12:38.40 | xand | erm, no. |
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| 12:38.50 | LookTJ | lol |
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| 12:38.59 | xand | vnc isn't tunnelling |
| 12:39.00 | mike1o | roxy_, .mozilla/plugins |
| 12:39.14 | fluxdude | I'd like to get access to the Sid repository on my laptop and was thinking that I should add the sources and use apt pinning to specify the testing branch as preferred |
| 12:39.14 | LookTJ | xand: I was just kidding |
| 12:39.21 | wols | MrWup: what you need is however a pop or imap server with kerneros. while cyrus can do it, it seems the debian version of it is compiled without that |
| 12:39.32 | roxy_ | mike1o: no, in .mozilla I got appreg, default, firefox and pluginreg.dat |
| 12:39.34 | fluxdude | is this the best way of getting access to packages that are only available in sid but using testing for the rest |
| 12:39.42 | fluxdude | is there a drawback to doing this? |
| 12:39.45 | wols | xand: if you use TLS it sorta is. secure too :) |
| 12:39.46 | xand | our exim MTAs authenticate users against LDAP for offsite sending |
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| 12:39.58 | wols | !tell fluxdude about simple sid backport |
| 12:40.06 | EmleyMoor | Am I right in thinking there isn't a workable free Java VM for iceweasel at present? |
| 12:40.08 | mike1o | .mozilla/firefox/plugins then, roxy_ |
| 12:41.02 | hark | LookTJ: ok, how did you extract the firmware? |
| 12:41.14 | fluxdude | wols: that backports thing sounds more complicated that just adding the sid repo to apt sources and then using apt pinning |
| 12:41.28 | hark | LookTJ: do you have .fw files in /lib/firmware/ .. can you check now? |
| 12:41.29 | wols | !tell fluxdude about bobbitt |
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| 12:42.22 | LookTJ | put the tar in /ib/firmware |
| 12:42.22 | roxy_ | mike1o: no, I did a ls -R .mozilla | grep plugin and the result is pluginreg.dat |
| 12:42.22 | wols | fluxdude: either shit or get off the pot. don't do fenc sitting between sid and testing. either or, noth both |
| 12:42.22 | LookTJ | then tar xvfz it |
| 12:42.22 | hark | LookTJ: *extract* |
| 12:42.22 | hark | LookTJ: that's what the tar command was for |
| 12:42.35 | mike1o | roxy_, u can go ahead and create the dir .mozilla/plugins and IW will recongnize it |
| 12:43.00 | roxy_ | mike1o: ok, thanks |
| 12:43.29 | LookTJ | hmm...so the files not supposed to be inside the ipw2200 firmware folder? |
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| 12:43.49 | hark | no, in /lib/firmware/ alone |
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| 12:43.56 | LookTJ | oh ok |
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| 12:45.01 | mike1o | any1 know a good chroot install tutorial? |
| 12:45.04 | mike1o | !chroot |
| 12:45.05 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 12:45.15 | LookTJ | brb |
| 12:45.22 | LookTJ | I'll try and see |
| 12:45.33 | fluxdude | wols: hmmm, that's a shame, cos I think sid has more packages and stuff and it would be nice to be able to use them if they don't exist in testing |
| 12:45.54 | fluxdude | gentoo has a much simpler way of mixing stable and unstable branches |
| 12:46.13 | fluxdude | I'll see what my old debian memory serves... |
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| 12:47.19 | kisielk | fluxdude: well you see, eventually some of the packages you use from sid will become dependant on newer versions of stuff not available in testing |
| 12:47.26 | kisielk | fluxdude: and so you'll have to pull that from sid too |
| 12:47.36 | kisielk | and before long, most of your system will end up being sid, not testing |
| 12:47.51 | kisielk | there's not really much point in attempting to maintain them both |
| 12:48.51 | Sero | how do I install the 2.4.1 kernel without apt? |
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| 12:49.30 | EmleyMoor | 2.4.1? What do you want to install that on? |
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| 12:49.58 | lero_ | ... supporting Mozilla products is no longer feasible and announce the end of security support for Mozilla products. |
| 12:50.03 | lero_ | debian will drop mozilla? |
| 12:50.08 | Sero | I need it to get libc6 working |
| 12:50.21 | Sero | I have a 2.2 kernel and am trying to upgrade to etch |
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| 12:50.22 | fluxdude | kisielk: could the deps not just be pulled from sid, but the rest remain testing? |
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| 12:50.35 | EmleyMoor | lero_: Where did you get that from? |
| 12:50.36 | fluxdude | this is basically what gentoo does and it works extremely well and easily |
| 12:50.52 | kisielk | fluxdude: well what if other packages you have installed also depend on those deps? |
| 12:51.15 | kisielk | and require an exact version number |
| 12:51.17 | fluxdude | could you not have them side by side, this is solved in portage by slots |
| 12:51.19 | lero_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
| 12:51.20 | lero_ | 5.11 |
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| 12:51.38 | fluxdude | ok i can see i am flogging a dead debian horse here |
| 12:51.40 | ryanakca | for a fresh install, do I want http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso or, CD-20.iso or ? (There's about 20 isos for 40r0-i386-CD) |
| 12:51.42 | EmleyMoor | Sero: What are you upgrading from? |
| 12:51.43 | kisielk | fluxdude: no, afaik Debian doesn't allow multiple versions of the same package |
| 12:51.50 | fluxdude | I think i'll just upgrade to sid |
| 12:52.07 | HostilePenguin | gkrellm started loading itsself when i boot how do i stop it? |
| 12:52.23 | kisielk | fluxdude: if you want to do things the gentoo way, why don't you use gentoo? |
| 12:52.30 | x_link | HostilePenguin: Right click on it and choose Quit |
| 12:52.59 | fluxdude | I do nearly everywhere but I still have a place in my heart for debian |
| 12:53.07 | HostilePenguin | great answer but not the one im looking for |
| 12:53.13 | HostilePenguin | thanks though |
| 12:53.19 | EmleyMoor | lero_: That is "if it became necessary" |
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| 12:53.30 | HostilePenguin | link arent you the one that cant even install debian? |
| 12:53.34 | fluxdude | I am going to do the apt-pinning thing first, although I can't remember exactly how I did this before, a few lines in a file sometwhere I think.... |
| 12:53.41 | hark | fluxdude: /msg dpkg pinning /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:53.43 | EmleyMoor | If ever that were to happen, I would probably go to locally maintained for the remainder of the life of the release |
| 12:53.53 | xand | gentoo has a stable version? |
| 12:53.54 | tremor | thank you all for your hints. i have to check and test them later on today. have a nice afternoon .. |
| 12:54.01 | MarcoPau | is it possible to change the mouse protocol on the fly (without editing xorg.conf and rebooting Xorg) |
| 12:54.03 | MarcoPau | ? |
| 12:54.05 | hark | fluxdude: read the debian-reference, apt-howto and all |
| 12:54.58 | hark | between? |
| 12:55.12 | EmleyMoor | 21 CDs? |
| 12:55.52 | wols | ryanakca: you want the netinstall CD |
| 12:55.59 | ryanakca | wols: kk, thanks :) |
| 12:56.03 | wols | ryanakca: each CD has different software |
| 12:56.04 | jdoe-5384 | and for those who don't have net at the site? |
| 12:56.15 | wols | sorted what's most popular first |
| 12:56.19 | jdoe-5384 | what is needed for base install? |
| 12:56.20 | lero_ | EmleyMoor, just because of some license rules? hehe |
| 12:56.21 | hark | !cd contents |
| 12:56.22 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 12:56.28 | wols | jdoe-5384: netinstall is needed for base install |
| 12:56.31 | lero_ | sometimes i think debian is so extreme |
| 12:56.38 | ryanakca | hark: EmleyMoor: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:56.50 | jdoe-5384 | wols: so i cant install offline? |
| 12:57.02 | ryanakca | wols: and if I'm setting up a kolab server? |
| 12:57.12 | EmleyMoor | You use the first CD - then the second if needed... then the third if needed &c... |
| 12:57.12 | ryanakca | (Postfix, apache, openldap, etc?) |
| 12:57.18 | wols | ryanakca: no clue. see what dpkg posted about contents |
| 12:57.21 | rdz | hello everyone. is there a way to list all partitions of all attached devices and to show their filesystem? |
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| 12:57.34 | jdoe-5384 | EmleyMoor: thanks |
| 12:57.38 | LookTJ | thanks hark |
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| 12:57.46 | LookTJ | I'm now up and running |
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| 12:57.55 | hark | LookTJ: great :) |
| 12:58.05 | EmleyMoor | The more often needed the software is, the lower the number of the CD |
| 12:58.19 | LookTJ | now to the repos |
| 12:58.36 | wols | rdz: /proc/partitions |
| 12:59.06 | rdz | wols, thank you |
| 12:59.12 | jdoe-5384 | EmleyMoor: so for a pretty average desktop-install i would be okay with the first dvd? |
| 12:59.15 | wols | rdz: as for the filesystem, that is trickier cause how would you know before you mount the partition? |
| 12:59.30 | wols | jdoe-5384: yes |
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| 13:00.06 | LookTJ | hark: where can I find debian's repos to add to my sources.list |
| 13:00.07 | rdz | wols, yes, i see. but: how should i know which fstype to specify, when i don't know it before? |
| 13:00.10 | fluxdude | does debian-non-US have less stuff cos of restrictions on exporting crypto or more stuff cos of lack of restrictions on software patents? |
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| 13:00.15 | Sero | what do I do when apt is broken due to a libc6 dependency, and I can't manage to install anything? |
| 13:00.26 | rdz | but /proc/partitions is very good to know.... thank you much |
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| 13:00.39 | Sero | glibc requires 2.4.1 or later, and I have the 2.2 kernel |
| 13:01.00 | wols | rdz: don't specify any. often mount is intelligent enought o mount it |
| 13:01.17 | wols | Sero: what vesion of debian? |
| 13:01.22 | Sero | sarge |
| 13:01.28 | wols | ah. |
| 13:01.34 | rdz | wols, yo. thank you |
| 13:01.35 | HostilePenguin | i have both kdm and gdm in my init.d that isnt right is it? |
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| 13:01.49 | wols | HostilePenguin: it is |
| 13:01.53 | wols | if you have installed both |
| 13:02.03 | HostilePenguin | roger that |
| 13:02.04 | wols | HostilePenguin: nothing in init.d gets run |
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| 13:02.22 | Sero | wols; any ideas? |
| 13:02.34 | wols | Sero: get the old libc6 again, boot a live CD and replace the libc6 files in /lib with that old one |
| 13:02.43 | bob__ | hello, could anyone point me to a tool like scp but with option to skip existing files on remote machine? |
| 13:02.46 | wols | then get a new kernel and then force install the new libc6 again |
| 13:03.02 | rdz | bob__, rsync? |
| 13:03.02 | wols | brussel: rsync |
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| 13:03.18 | Sero | thanks, that's some work but I'll give it a try |
| 13:03.32 | bob__ | i have a really huge file list so rsync is gonna take a lot of time |
| 13:03.46 | plutonas | whith what command again do i see all the hw on my computer? |
| 13:04.07 | wols | lspci |
| 13:04.07 | CharminTheMoose | lspci? |
| 13:04.13 | plutonas | yeah thanks |
| 13:05.03 | pingouin | when i do apt-get update / apt-get upgrade / apt told me that some paquackage are kept back, so i have to 'already' do an apt-get dist-upgrade , with a Etch installed yesterday ? why ? |
| 13:05.12 | plutonas | wow, everything except the cardbus bridge is intel |
| 13:05.14 | plutonas | :-) |
| 13:05.40 | wols | and that is probably intel chip compatible too |
| 13:05.40 | EmleyMoor | pingouin: What exactly did it say was kept back? |
| 13:06.03 | plutonas | wols: probably yes, why so much intel? |
| 13:06.26 | wols | ask your hardware maker not me |
| 13:06.41 | wols | my guess is cause intel doesn't like to share: they want ALL the revenue |
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| 13:06.47 | plutonas | k |
| 13:07.18 | LookTJ | hark: is this correct? deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib.....I try updating...but it does nothing |
| 13:07.34 | wols | lokkju_wrk: probaly not set up yet properly |
| 13:07.44 | wols | there are no updates yet for etch. not needed |
| 13:07.50 | LookTJ | ok |
| 13:07.57 | wols | if there were it would be like a MS OS and how would that look? |
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| 13:08.17 | CharminTheMoose | I currently have sarge and when i do 'sudo apt-get upgrade' it lists a whole bunch of packages that'll be kept back. should i do the upgrade or will certain things break horribly? |
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| 13:08.33 | EmleyMoor | Oh yes - install Windows - install TWO TONS of updates straight away and a ton the next week |
| 13:09.19 | pingouin | EmleyMoor: with apt-get upgrade : those package are kept : ffmpeg libavcodeccvs51 libavformatcvs51 libavformatcvs51-dev mplayer |
| 13:09.41 | EmleyMoor | Ah, that will be because the libraries are out of date |
| 13:09.53 | EmleyMoor | That's a known issue and will be fixed soon# |
| 13:09.54 | wols | pingouin: are they from debian-multimedia.org? |
| 13:10.06 | pingouin | wols: yes i guess |
| 13:10.16 | pingouin | wols: added it in my sources.list, today |
| 13:10.17 | LookTJ | hmm.... |
| 13:10.29 | wols | CharminTheMoose: are you upgrading to newer sarge or upgrading to etch? |
| 13:10.40 | LookTJ | wols: where can I find things to add to my sources.list? |
| 13:10.50 | CharminTheMoose | wols: upgrading to etch if etch is the new stable. :) |
| 13:10.57 | wols | LookTJ: why would you want to? |
| 13:11.06 | wols | CharminTheMoose: then your apt-get line is wrong |
| 13:11.12 | EmleyMoor | CharminTheMoose: Read the release notes |
| 13:11.13 | wols | CharminTheMoose: read the etch manual/release notes |
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| 13:11.24 | LookTJ | for apps of course |
| 13:11.38 | EmleyMoor | LookTJ: Is there something not in etch that you know you need? |
| 13:11.59 | CharminTheMoose | wols/EmleyMoor, by which I mean that I have stable in my sources.list |
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| 13:12.40 | EmleyMoor | CharminTheMoose: etch is stable as of yesterday - read the release notes before proceeding |
| 13:13.33 | abrotman | stable?! |
| 13:13.56 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: Yes |
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| 13:14.07 | LookTJ | emleymoor: I need x11vnc |
| 13:14.10 | abrotman | noone told me! |
| 13:14.25 | wols | abrotman: you need to lie more convincingly |
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| 13:14.44 | EmleyMoor | LookTJ: That's in etch |
| 13:15.19 | abrotman | wols: i'm good at it sometimes .. resiak has a great log! |
| 13:15.38 | wols | maybem but not today |
| 13:15.54 | abrotman | wols: you're only saying that because you know i was here yesterday! |
| 13:16.03 | LookTJ | emleymoor: where? |
| 13:16.57 | EmleyMoor | x11/main |
| 13:17.27 | LookTJ | mmmh |
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| 13:17.55 | LookTJ | weird it's not there |
| 13:18.19 | abrotman | !info x11vnc etch |
| 13:18.22 | svara | hey.. i'm trying to build a kernel module and it complains about missing the /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build directory. i have linux-kernel-headers installed. what's wrong? |
| 13:18.42 | abrotman | no bot? |
| 13:18.53 | abrotman | !+info x11vnc etch |
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| 13:18.58 | abrotman | or the bot hates me .. okay |
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| 13:19.05 | h3sp4wn | svara: that should be a symlink to the headers directory |
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| 13:19.47 | svara | h3sp4wn: i know, but it's not there. i haven't done anything strange manually on this system, just installed vanilla stable packages... |
| 13:20.02 | svara | h3sp4wn: i understand the symlink should be placed there by the package that provides the headers? |
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| 13:20.40 | h3sp4wn | svara: that package being - linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 13:21.19 | h3sp4wn | svara: linux kernel headers is for libc |
| 13:21.33 | svara | oh! |
| 13:21.36 | LookTJ | http://pastebin.ca/431093 |
| 13:21.37 | cahoot | linux-kbuild-2.6.18? |
| 13:21.38 | svara | i'll check that.. |
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| 13:21.49 | LookTJ | emleymoor: http://pastebin.ca/431093 |
| 13:22.08 | LookTJ | do I get x11/main with that sources.list? |
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| 13:22.42 | svara | h3sp4wn: ok, i didn't have that, so that's probably my problem ;) thanks |
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| 13:23.19 | EmleyMoor | You get NOTHING with that sources list |
| 13:23.41 | LookTJ | of course |
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| 13:23.51 | wols | LookTJ: run apt-spy |
| 13:23.52 | LookTJ | can you update it for me? |
| 13:23.59 | LookTJ | ok |
| 13:24.02 | wols | better yet: man apt-spy |
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| 13:24.19 | ChrisW | oh crap, etc got released :-( |
| 13:24.25 | LookTJ | No manual entry for apt-spy |
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| 13:24.40 | wols | install apt-spy then |
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| 13:25.15 | LookTJ | wols: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "apt-spy" |
| 13:25.27 | LookTJ | debian etch doesn't like my laptop |
| 13:25.36 | wols | !apt-spy |
| 13:25.36 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 13:25.37 | hark | wols: isn't it catch22 stuff |
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| 13:26.13 | wols | hark: why they ddin't put apt-spy on evrey debian ISO is beyond me |
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| 13:26.56 | hark | they should get apt-setup in |
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| 13:27.08 | hark | !sources.list |
| 13:27.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 13:27.21 | hark | replace sarge with etch here |
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| 13:27.38 | hark | !etch security |
| 13:27.39 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
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| 13:29.40 | hark | there's also /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ which would work as well |
| 13:29.57 | fluxdude | why would a package be in contrib instead of main? Is it a political thing like non-free, but then what would be the difference between non-free |
| 13:30.08 | fluxdude | I've been googling around this but nobody seems to just bluntly say it |
| 13:30.12 | fluxdude | anyone? |
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| 13:30.36 | hark | !contrib |
| 13:30.37 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 13:30.53 | aoupi | getting errors on apt-get update for 'security.debian.org stable/updates' (expected stable but got etch), I'm running testing soo do I even need the security.debian.org source? |
| 13:31.02 | LookTJ | yes |
| 13:31.14 | LookTJ | I get that too |
| 13:31.53 | fluxdude | hark: thanks I thought that was the case |
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| 13:31.58 | aoupi | should I just ignore it or should I change something? |
| 13:32.08 | torrr | do you know how to install system wide fonts? |
| 13:32.14 | hark | aoupi: mirror symlink issues i guess, ignore it or change to etch |
| 13:32.27 | HostilePenguin | etch is stable right? |
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| 13:32.48 | hark | !tell HostilePenguin -about etch |
| 13:32.58 | aoupi | moving to etch would just be changing all sources to stable.* right? |
| 13:33.31 | fluxdude | what is the difference between using backports which seems to require apt-pinning or a default line in apt.conf and just using a more unstable repo and again using apt-pinning? |
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| 13:33.41 | DizZy^wrk | hi there |
| 13:34.02 | DizZy^wrk | dizzy@snakepit:~$ groups dizzy |
| 13:34.02 | DizZy^wrk | dizzy : dizzy audio |
| 13:34.06 | DizZy^wrk | dizzy@snakepit:~$ echo 123 > /dev/dsp |
| 13:34.07 | DizZy^wrk | bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied |
| 13:34.26 | DizZy^wrk | with sudo works. but not with regular user |
| 13:34.35 | aoupi | DizZy^wrk: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 13:34.40 | DizZy^wrk | dizzy@snakepit:~$ ls -al /dev/dsp |
| 13:34.41 | DizZy^wrk | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-04-09 17:33 /dev/dsp |
| 13:34.42 | DizZy^wrk | 660 |
| 13:34.46 | DizZy^wrk | if 666 |
| 13:34.54 | DizZy^wrk | works till /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
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| 13:35.05 | Ryushin | Who was Lenny in Toy Story? |
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| 13:35.28 | fantomas | Hi all. I have problem with mirroring Etch using deb-mirror: http://pastebin.ca/431111 |
| 13:35.37 | DizZy^wrk | aoupi: any ideas? |
| 13:35.56 | aoupi | DizZy^wrk: nope, sorry |
| 13:36.04 | aoupi | oh wait |
| 13:36.11 | aoupi | when did you ad yourself to the audio group? |
| 13:36.20 | aoupi | have you logged in and out since you did |
| 13:36.25 | DizZy^wrk | as root adduser dizzy audio |
| 13:36.26 | aoupi | out and in* |
| 13:36.29 | DizZy^wrk | no |
| 13:36.31 | DizZy^wrk | i must? |
| 13:36.34 | aoupi | doesn't take affect till you do |
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| 13:36.35 | aoupi | yes |
| 13:36.37 | DizZy^wrk | ahh |
| 13:36.38 | DizZy^wrk | thanks |
| 13:36.41 | th0ger | Ryushin: Lenny: http://static.flickr.com/143/318312447_aa689b2363_o.png |
| 13:36.45 | aoupi | np |
| 13:37.11 | LookTJ | why can't I find apt-spy in synaptic? |
| 13:37.19 | LookTJ | !apt-spy |
| 13:37.19 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 13:38.07 | AndyGee | Hi |
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| 13:38.27 | DizZy^wrk | aoupi: thanks, dewd! works :)) |
| 13:38.47 | aoupi | :) cool |
| 13:39.06 | DizZy^wrk | aoupi: ask for beer in Moscow :) |
| 13:39.16 | MrWup | hey i got some .deb packages, whats the command to installify em? |
| 13:39.29 | aoupi | spatziba :) |
| 13:39.31 | DizZy^wrk | man dpkg |
| 13:39.38 | DizZy^wrk | aoupi: ne za chto :) |
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| 13:40.12 | MrWup | hey |
| 13:40.16 | AndyGee | is there a program like pgrep that can also match based on the state (halted im my case) of a process? |
| 13:40.17 | DizZy^wrk | MrWup: dpkg -i |
| 13:40.18 | wols | LookTJ: cause you don't have any repositories in your sources.list |
| 13:40.21 | MrWup | thanks |
| 13:40.23 | MrWup | =] |
| 13:40.30 | wols | LookTJ: go to packages.debian.org and download then install it from there |
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| 13:40.47 | DizZy^wrk | yeah now i can hear some old ay\sid chiptunes again :) |
| 13:40.52 | mnvl | i have no space left on my /var partition. any suggestions on what to delete/move ?? |
| 13:41.04 | wols | mnvl: old logs |
| 13:41.08 | DizZy^wrk | mnvl: /var/cache/apt is full like hell? ;) |
| 13:41.15 | wols | or that yes |
| 13:41.15 | aoupi | mnvl: apt-cache clean |
| 13:41.18 | wols | apt-get clean |
| 13:41.20 | aoupi | frees up some there |
| 13:41.29 | mnvl | which? |
| 13:41.36 | aoupi | try both, only one works :) |
| 13:41.46 | wols | apt-get. apt-cache has no clean |
| 13:41.47 | DizZy^wrk | oh yeah c64 roxx |
| 13:41.49 | DizZy^wrk | :) |
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| 13:42.13 | mnvl | thanx a lot |
| 13:42.17 | alexbodn | hi all |
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| 13:42.24 | mnvl | it's back down to 90% |
| 13:42.24 | pythonic | what does "lo ate my ip address" mean? |
| 13:42.49 | LookTJ | :P |
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| 13:43.31 | alexbodn | i'm using testing, and i'm failing to upgrade: i'm being told the packages can not be properly authenticated |
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| 13:44.17 | LookTJ | I can't install apt-spy :( |
| 13:44.19 | alexbodn | queer the package containing the keys couldn't be updated |
| 13:44.58 | LookTJ | apt-key command |
| 13:45.03 | aoupi | I get segfault running apt-spy :( it benchmarks some servers then just says: Segmentation fault |
| 13:45.31 | DizZy^wrk | hmm KMid play only silence... |
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| 13:49.47 | SheaTara | What's the best wireless card? Something /really/ plug-and-play? |
| 13:49.56 | abrotman | a/b/g ? |
| 13:50.04 | SheaTara | abrotman: G |
| 13:50.18 | abrotman | are there any that don't require firmware ? |
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| 13:50.36 | DizZy^wrk | in my laptop is intel 2200 |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | SheaTara: maybe ask #wireless .. |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | DizZy^wrk: and has firmware |
| 13:50.42 | SheaTara | abrotman: That's what i'd like to know |
| 13:50.45 | h3sp4wn | rt2500 is no firmware |
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| 13:50.50 | SheaTara | abrotman: okay |
| 13:50.54 | DizZy^wrk | abrotman: has, but you can leech it |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: but the sources aren't in etch's kernel |
| 13:51.01 | abrotman | DizZy^wrk: thanks .. i know |
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| 13:51.30 | abrotman | !prism54 |
| 13:51.31 | dpkg | [prism54] http://prism54.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=1043 or check #prism54 on freenode |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 13:51.45 | SheaTara | okay |
| 13:51.51 | h3sp4wn | prism54 was incomplete last time I looked |
| 13:52.10 | js_ | does debian have support for multiarch? |
| 13:52.14 | alexbodn | trying to upgrade my testing i get "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security". any clue? |
| 13:52.18 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: lots of things are incomplete |
| 13:52.22 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 13:52.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 13:52.53 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: No support for wpa though is quite badly incomplete if you ask me |
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| 13:53.04 | abrotman | who cares |
| 13:53.24 | hark | http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 13:53.38 | SheaTara | hark: thanks, I'll read that too |
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| 13:53.51 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: Note that some other RT chipsets, including the RT61 and RT2571W/RT2671, appear to require firmware .. so much for no firmware |
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| 13:54.13 | alexbodn | has testing broken with etch release? |
| 13:54.17 | phretor | hi there |
| 13:54.20 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: the rt2500 (and maybe 2400) dont |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | that is a 25xx .. not the same driver ? |
| 13:54.37 | Pobega | alexbodn: I upgraded my testing box this morning, it's working fine. |
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| 13:54.55 | alexbodn | mine says "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security" |
| 13:54.55 | MrWup | anyone here use scalix? know if its possible to make sure emails cant be sent out unless theyve been checked by the boss first? |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | alexbodn: add thekeys ? |
| 13:55.07 | Pobega | alexbodn: Yeah, just say yes. |
| 13:55.15 | phretor | I'm running a netinst but I've just figured out that one of my partitions I want to save is in FreeBSD FS format: any chance of mounting it? |
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| 13:55.48 | alexbodn | Pobega: the keys are usually in a package |
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| 13:56.28 | alexbodn | where can i find the current testing keys? |
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| 13:56.29 | Pobega | alexbodn: I think the keys have changed since the release, I've been getting that all morning. I'm trying to reinstall debian-archive-keyring now, and see if it does anything. |
| 13:56.46 | hark | if you have testing instead of etch, i think there's no Release.gpg yet |
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| 13:57.06 | Ramattack | hello |
| 13:57.13 | Ramattack | how could you benchmark a server? |
| 13:57.28 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: The driver supports all of them afaik (the new driver) |
| 13:57.34 | wols | Ramattack: TPC benchmarks? |
| 13:57.43 | alexbodn | etch is stable now |
| 13:57.44 | LookTJ | what repo is apt-spy? |
| 13:58.10 | x_link | Alot of updates/upgrades now on testing I see ;D |
| 13:58.15 | wols | phretor: ufs/ufs2 should be recognized. *BSD partitioning too. at least can recognized it |
| 13:58.16 | wols | dunno if the debian installer kernel can |
| 13:58.44 | alexbodn | couls you please list your keys (apt-key list) |
| 13:58.51 | Ramattack | etch is stable now??? |
| 13:58.52 | x_link | Shouldn't the new testing have KDE 3.5.6? |
| 13:58.56 | x_link | Or that has nothing to do with it? |
| 13:58.58 | RichiH | Ramattack: it is |
| 13:59.02 | Ramattack | officially? |
| 13:59.03 | hark | LookTJ: didn't you read the sources.list factoid earlier? |
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| 13:59.11 | RichiH | x_link: not even sid has that, yey |
| 13:59.16 | Ramattack | TPC benchmarks is a bechmark soft |
| 13:59.17 | Ramattack | ? |
| 13:59.18 | phretor | wols: thanks |
| 13:59.18 | Pobega | alexbodn: I'm getting the same thing as you, I don't think there is a key yet for the new testing. |
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| 13:59.24 | KillingFrost | hi |
| 13:59.36 | LookTJ | hark: didn't understand it |
| 13:59.49 | Pobega | alexbodn: http://rafb.net/p/o6tqNH74.html |
| 13:59.49 | RichiH | the handling of apt keys sucks |
| 13:59.49 | RichiH | really, it does |
| 13:59.49 | pythonic | wikipedia doesn't have a gnaa article!?! |
| 13:59.58 | RichiH | pythonic: it was removed |
| 14:00.00 | KillingFrost | i gota question about the optionnaly disabled root account |
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| 14:00.10 | alexbodn | Pobega: going there |
| 14:00.12 | KillingFrost | can i still get root with sudo su? |
| 14:00.23 | Pobega | RichiH: Of course it sucks, but at least it doesn't render APT unusable. |
| 14:00.27 | blitz\away | how do i fix this: http://channels.debian.net/paste2/6007 |
| 14:00.36 | pythonic | RichiH: "not notable" excuse? |
| 14:00.47 | RichiH | Pobega: true. still, it is totally needless with a bit of planning |
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| 14:00.56 | x_link | wols: Are you using Testing? |
| 14:00.59 | RichiH | pythonic: continued problems |
| 14:00.59 | aoupi | I've been using testing, how do I move to stable(etch) just changing testing to stable in my sources.list still gives me error >W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got etch)< |
| 14:01.07 | Ramattack | wols : sorry I wanted to benchmark my mail server smtp pop and imap services |
| 14:01.11 | wols | x_link: sid |
| 14:01.12 | Ramattack | this is valid for? |
| 14:01.18 | x_link | wols: Okej. |
| 14:01.19 | Pobega | aoupi: Change stable to etch, apt-get update and it should be fine. |
| 14:01.20 | nutcase | after upgrading from sarge to etch, my postfix can't connect to mysql anymore: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111), any ideas? |
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| 14:01.22 | wols | Ramattack: no |
| 14:01.27 | aoupi | Pobega: thanks |
| 14:01.31 | wols | Ramattack: what imap server? |
| 14:01.37 | alexbodn | Pobega: same as mine :-( |
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| 14:01.42 | wols | and importantly: what kinda mail storage format? |
| 14:01.49 | Pobega | alexbodn: Give the devs time, they'll fix it soon. |
| 14:02.03 | Ramattack | courier |
| 14:02.03 | pythonic | at least the french wikipedia has the article |
| 14:02.03 | Ramattack | and qmail mail server |
| 14:02.03 | Ramattack | maildir |
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| 14:02.30 | wols | maildir is sloooow |
| 14:02.33 | alexbodn | ok, thanks :) |
| 14:02.37 | wols | mount the mail storage partition noatime |
| 14:02.39 | torrr | what is there for backups? |
| 14:02.47 | wols | and I dunno if qmail is fast either |
| 14:02.58 | wols | torrr: amanda perhaps |
| 14:03.05 | Ramattack | wols... I wanted to check my server supports thousand of concurrent users |
| 14:03.17 | peritus | wols: is mbox faster? |
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| 14:03.25 | earthian | hello |
| 14:03.28 | wols | with maildir? I think unlikely |
| 14:03.30 | Ramattack | wols : In my opinion qmail is the most powerful mta |
| 14:03.32 | Pobega | earthian: Hello :) |
| 14:03.36 | Ramattack | more than postfix too yes... |
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| 14:03.37 | KillingFrost | anyone? can i get root with "sudo su" even with root account locked? |
| 14:03.46 | pythonic | earthian is a martian in disguise |
| 14:03.48 | wols | peritus: mbox is icky since it's vey limited, but yes it's faster |
| 14:04.00 | wols | !mail |
| 14:04.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mail is a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
| 14:04.01 | peritus | wols: what other formats are there? |
| 14:04.02 | wols | !qmail |
| 14:04.02 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 14:04.22 | wols | peritus: fastest is probably cyrus. stores it in a DB |
| 14:04.29 | earthian | How do i find and identify my graphics card? Where is it located? I have geforce8800 on 2nd pcie |
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| 14:04.50 | wols | earthian: lspci -b |
| 14:04.52 | wols | earthian: lspci -v |
| 14:05.03 | wols | but if you know what you have, why do you need to "find" it |
| 14:05.16 | blitz\away | can ayone tell me how to fix this? http://channels.debian.net/paste2/6007 |
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| 14:05.18 | peritus | wols: cyrus will be tricky with procmail etc, right? |
| 14:05.20 | earthian | wols: my system does not know :( |
| 14:05.20 | blitz\away | anyone* |
| 14:05.24 | Danielle | Hi Pobega. |
| 14:05.27 | wols | peritus: no |
| 14:05.40 | earthian | i.e. it somehow does not detect the right thing.. in fact it does not detect anything. |
| 14:05.40 | wols | peritus: but procmail is certainly not needed when you have sieve |
| 14:05.46 | torrr | wols, is amanda good, and trustworthy ie not alpha or new beta |
| 14:06.21 | wols | torrr: it's long stablished |
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| 14:06.28 | peritus | wols: whats sieve? |
| 14:06.34 | wols | earthian: have you tried VESA? |
| 14:06.39 | earthian | wols: no |
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| 14:06.42 | earthian | not yet |
| 14:06.50 | wols | peritus: google rfc sieve |
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| 14:07.07 | earthian | tried installing nvidia drivers from their website.. the latest installer does not find the card too :o |
| 14:07.24 | wols | earthian: ask them about it not us |
| 14:07.34 | alexbodn | what editor should i use for asp source? |
| 14:07.41 | wols | earthian: how are we supposed to debug/support closed source software? |
| 14:07.49 | wols | alexbodn: whatever you want |
| 14:07.53 | earthian | wols: the issue is not about this |
| 14:08.09 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell GRUB to boot Windows XP from a NTFS partition? |
| 14:08.16 | Ein | is this a joke? is etch really the new stable? |
| 14:08.22 | wols | earthian: if THEIR software can't find THEIR card, how is it debian's problem when debian doesn't ship their software? |
| 14:08.28 | HardDisk_WP | It hangs at "cannot moutn partiton: unknown type 0x7" |
| 14:08.32 | wols | HardDisk_WP: chainloader |
| 14:08.38 | Ein | is this some sort of microsoftian QA at debian now? |
| 14:08.39 | HardDisk_WP | wols, what's that? |
| 14:08.46 | earthian | problem is that at X startup system does not find any graphics card (i do not know the pci address that i need to use in xorg.conf). |
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| 14:08.53 | alexbodn | wols: iknow it's text, but syntax highlighting may be useful, and i specifically need codepages support |
| 14:08.56 | earthian | hm |
| 14:09.00 | wols | HardDisk_WP: the command to start windows via grup. one of the commands but the crucial one |
| 14:09.02 | earthian | well.. will try different thinks |
| 14:09.07 | earthian | thanks wols for the " |
| 14:09.13 | earthian | thanks wols for the "vesa" idea :) |
| 14:09.45 | Ein | i used debian because there was some sort of assurance that my servers will not break from one stable release to the next |
| 14:09.51 | HardDisk_WP | wols, ok.. the windows is at /dev/hdb1. what to tell chainloader now to boot win xp |
| 14:09.51 | wols | earthian: lspci shows you the busid, but usually you don't need to enter it. it probably won't be able to do SLI tho |
| 14:10.11 | wols | HardDisk_WP: apt-get isntall grub-doc |
| 14:10.20 | wols | and the installer should have done it for you automatically |
| 14:10.21 | Ein | but it seems that this is not the case anymore |
| 14:10.25 | Pobega | Ein: What problem did you run into exactly? I tried scrolling up but I can't see it |
| 14:10.33 | Ein | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395266 |
| 14:10.37 | Pobega | Ein: Upgrades don't work 100% of the time. |
| 14:10.49 | Anders | Ein: If you're running a server, and you're in it for stability you shouldn't upgrade to the latest version at the same day it's out. |
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| 14:11.07 | Ein | Anders: i have not upgraded yet |
| 14:11.13 | HardDisk_WP | wols, http://paste.debian.net/25264 |
| 14:11.27 | HardDisk_WP | wols, I had to fix it to hd(1,0) manually.. |
| 14:11.31 | Ein | i have been running etch in my testing environment |
| 14:11.33 | HardDisk_WP | but it still dont work |
| 14:11.52 | wols | !don't work |
| 14:11.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:11.53 | earthian | wols: i dont have SLI.. only one single card on SECOND PCIe slot. |
| 14:12.01 | Pobega | Ein: The devs will fix it then, in time. Every little bug can't be spotted, but with patience can be fixed. |
| 14:12.05 | wols | earthian: and why do you do such foolish thingsß |
| 14:12.07 | wols | ? |
| 14:12.19 | earthian | why foolish? |
| 14:12.19 | Pobega | I have nothing else to say though, I've got no idea how to fix it except running the older kernel. |
| 14:12.20 | earthian | :S |
| 14:12.30 | wols | there is a reason you have a first slot, you know? |
| 14:12.33 | earthian | i have two CPUs |
| 14:12.44 | artagnon | Which file determines which WM/session manager starts after issuing a "startx"? Doesn't look like /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is the right file. |
| 14:12.44 | earthian | its tyan s2895 |
| 14:12.50 | wols | what has dual cpu to do with 2nd PCI-E16 slot? |
| 14:13.02 | Ein | Pobega: my beef is not that is was not fixed, i can understand it not getting fixed. I can also understand that if it did not get spotted |
| 14:13.12 | KillingFrost | he might mean 2 Gpu |
| 14:13.16 | Pobega | Ein: Have you tried compiling a vanilla kernel and seeing if it works under that environment? |
| 14:13.17 | earthian | no cpu :/ |
| 14:13.20 | Ein | but it did, a long time ago, several kernel releases back and it is still not yet fixed |
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| 14:13.24 | wols | Ein: ask the kernel people. it seems they haven't spotted it |
| 14:13.25 | earthian | erm.. well. |
| 14:13.26 | Ein | Pobega: yes, it works |
| 14:13.32 | Pobega | I do understand why you'd be upset with it, though. |
| 14:13.47 | Pobega | So it's the Debian stock kernel that's doing this, and not a problem in the actual Linux kernel? |
| 14:14.11 | Ein | Pobega: linus kernel 2.6.18 has the problem |
| 14:14.16 | wols | KillingFrost: if he meant that he'd have SLI |
| 14:14.16 | KillingFrost | earthian: try with the 8800 in the first PCIE slot |
| 14:14.27 | earthian | i have tyan s2895 mainboard. i was looking at how it is made. and sae that second CPU is connected only to memory, 1st cpu and nvidia2050 chipset which is connected only to PCIe2. while the 1st cpu has all other stuff connected |
| 14:14.29 | Ein | but the driver maintainer has posted a patch to the problem and it was fixed in 2.6.19 |
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| 14:14.46 | artagnon | Which file determines which WM/session manager starts after issuing a "startx"? |
| 14:14.49 | earthian | sae=saw |
| 14:14.55 | Pobega | Ein: Oh, I see. You should definitely contact a higher authority about this then, looks like the bug report has almost been ignored. |
| 14:15.25 | wols | earthian: what prevents you from using your first PEG slot exactly? |
| 14:15.35 | Pobega | Ein: Or re-report the bug. Now that Etch is stable it should be getting more attention. |
| 14:15.35 | earthian | wols: nothing : |
| 14:15.47 | wols | earthian: then why on earth do you do such stupid thingsß |
| 14:15.54 | earthian | i was just thinking that it might be better to use 2nd :S |
| 14:15.55 | Ein | Pobega: ok, i think i will do that |
| 14:16.03 | earthian | ah well.. |
| 14:16.04 | earthian | :/ |
| 14:16.07 | Pobega | Ein: Good luck with it, sorry I couldn't help you anymore. |
| 14:16.11 | KillingFrost | earthian: arent you confusing chipsets and cpu here? i doubt cpus would have "other stuff" connected to it |
| 14:16.16 | earthian | will connect to the 1st pcie slot then |
| 14:16.17 | poideac | artagnon, the manual page on startx |
| 14:16.27 | Ein | its alright, i just wanted to vent :) |
| 14:16.36 | Ein | thanks for the opportunity |
| 14:16.36 | wols | KillingFrost: not uncommon for SMP to have the I/O hardware connected mainly to the first CPU |
| 14:16.40 | nachox | guys, quick question does oldstable have libaio in any form? apt says there are packages that have references to it but the debian web page says it is not prt og it |
| 14:16.51 | earthian | KillingFrost: 1st cpu has amd8000 and nv2000pro or so chipsets connected to it. |
| 14:17.14 | KillingFrost | wols: good to know |
| 14:17.29 | KillingFrost | earthian: i mean stuff other than chipset or memory |
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| 14:18.32 | earthian | well.. IF you say that it is ok to connect my GFX card to the 1st pcie slot and not the 2nd then ok. I will connect it there and fix it (maybe). But in general it should work this way too? |
| 14:18.47 | earthian | i mean, only the place could be different? |
| 14:19.15 | earthian | and the only thing i would need is to know where the stupid card is located in a form of PCI:xxx:xxx:xxx |
| 14:19.24 | earthian | like it is required in xorg.conf ? |
| 14:20.00 | wols | you can try. lspci -v shows that info |
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| 14:20.22 | wols | however most of the software might check for bus 1/slot 1 and if it doesn't find anything decides there can't be anything there |
| 14:20.38 | poideac | earthian, i am not sure what your question is. Look inside /proc/bus/pci |
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| 14:21.16 | shaula | how can I discover if my last "apt-get update" did get packages from the old sarge ot the etch? |
| 14:22.00 | wols | apt-cache show policy libc6 |
| 14:22.06 | wols | apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 14:22.38 | shaula | wols, thanks it says sarge |
| 14:23.02 | earthian | www.fostral.net/phpsysinfo and lspci does not see my graphics card at all. strange. i have console display working tho :S |
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| 14:24.33 | wols | xand: tripling its capacity? good move |
| 14:24.36 | MrWup | Starting web server (apache2)...[Mon Apr 09 15:22:35 2007] [warn] VirtualHost outerserver:80 overlaps with VirtualHost outerserver:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive |
| 14:24.38 | MrWup | any ideas? |
| 14:25.12 | wols | fix your config |
| 14:25.25 | wols | something in there is what apache2 dislikes |
| 14:25.25 | nachox | hmmm, apt-query -l "libaio*" also returns both packages available in another sarge but apt-get install libaio does not install anything |
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| 14:26.04 | torrr | how is backuppc? |
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| 14:33.20 | helllen | helllo |
| 14:33.46 | helllen | how do I set an IP to the loopback iface in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 14:34.36 | helllen | I know how to do it with "ip" command or with ifconfig but not in the file |
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| 14:35.13 | lero_ | the debian mirrors are slow or just here? |
| 14:35.13 | lero_ | hehe |
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| 14:35.51 | wols | helllen: man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:36.22 | wols | but shouldn't the loopback be 127.0.0.1 anyways? |
| 14:37.06 | helllen | I need a secondary IP for LVS in direct routing mode |
| 14:38.52 | alexbodn | lero_: slow mirrors for me too |
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| 14:44.07 | solar_sea | Mem: 1036204k total, 1018216k used, 17988k free, Something's wrong with my system, how can I check up how much memory does each process use ? |
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| 14:44.35 | blight | solar_sea: ps auwwx |
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| 14:45.28 | narasim_7 | solar_sea: try opening some apps like iceweasel and icedove..i guess the number would stiill be the same way... |
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| 14:45.46 | phretor | netinst linux26 kernel does not properly load via-rhine (that is, it loads it but the card is not recognized; whenever I try to modprob -r via-rhine I get a segfault). Any known issue/suggestion? |
| 14:45.50 | kintaro0e | hi guys..trying to install etch stable...if i have Intel Centrino Duo..do i need to type: linuxi686 during installation to make the kernel for i686..or just press enter on it? |
| 14:45.51 | narasim_7 | solar_sea: and eclipse too if u have it installed |
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| 14:46.39 | The_Ball_ | Congratulations Debian! |
| 14:47.07 | wols | xinud: read the release-notes |
| 14:47.17 | wols | kintaro0e: read the release notes |
| 14:47.28 | kintaro0e | wols: thanks |
| 14:47.28 | solar_sea | Is there a reliable way to see how much memory is being used on my system ? |
| 14:47.32 | wols | and after install, install whatever kernel you want |
| 14:47.42 | wols | solar_sea: free |
| 14:48.09 | solar_sea | Mem: 1036204 898584 137620 |
| 14:48.13 | solar_sea | for total / used / free |
| 14:48.34 | solar_sea | again, something is wrong, I refuse to believe that just kde 3.5 with xchat running & two konsoles would require that much |
| 14:48.37 | wols | !free memory |
| 14:48.37 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 14:48.50 | solar_sea | I see, thanks |
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| 14:49.20 | rdz | how to set the boot flag on a certain partition? |
| 14:49.57 | Tobsn | hmm if i add a ip alias... i just to ifconfig eth0:1 ip |
| 14:49.59 | Tobsn | or? |
| 14:50.01 | wols | rdz: are you using grub? |
| 14:50.11 | wols | !tell Tobsn about interfaces |
| 14:50.12 | rdz | wols, no, lilo |
| 14:50.23 | wols | rdz: it's in your MBR? |
| 14:50.31 | wols | if yes, then bootflags don't mean squat |
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| 14:51.13 | wols | you can set it with cfdisk or similar, but it's a waste of time |
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| 14:52.15 | SDBolts21n56 | i am a few months into learn Linux, mostly using only Debian, I see that 4.0 was released yesterday. How easy is it to upgrade? |
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| 14:53.16 | kalila | What happened today? |
| 14:53.18 | kalila | the sky is red |
| 14:53.23 | phretor | nothing about my via-rhine issue? |
| 14:53.30 | Tobsn | wols, problem is i did it right. like the manual and example say but it doesnt response to that ip |
| 14:53.31 | poideac | !etch | SDBolts21n56 |
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| 14:54.49 | Detox_at_Work | hello ,,,, can anyone tell me if the 'new' etch,,, 2.6.18-4 works on dell poweredge 1950? |
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| 14:55.06 | Detox_at_Work | with kernel 2.6.17 ya had to rebuild the kernel,,,, |
| 14:55.09 | wols | atry it and you will see |
| 14:55.35 | Detox_at_Work | would like to put debian on my server,, but cannot afford to pullit down for several days to play |
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| 14:55.58 | Detox_at_Work | the rub in the pas was the dell Perc5 controlllers |
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| 14:56.01 | poideac | Detox_at_Work, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 14:56.07 | Detox_at_Work | thanks |
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| 14:56.31 | wols | Detox_at_Work: is the driver for that controller in the vanilla kernel? is it a GPLed driver? |
| 14:56.39 | Hoxzer_ | LOL |
| 14:56.45 | Detox_at_Work | no |
| 14:56.54 | wols | Detox_at_Work: then debian will never support it |
| 14:56.55 | Detox_at_Work | at least not in kernel 2.6.17-2 |
| 14:57.05 | wols | if it's not GPL that is |
| 14:57.30 | Detox_at_Work | dont know what GPL is |
| 14:57.31 | Detox_at_Work | sorry |
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| 14:57.35 | rahul | well, the debian installer will never support it |
| 14:57.41 | obsethryl | hi guys |
| 14:57.44 | wols | the license you agree to when you install linux basically |
| 14:57.45 | rahul | if it's not under some sort of open license |
| 14:57.47 | Detox_at_Work | oh |
| 14:57.49 | Detox_at_Work | duh |
| 14:57.51 | obsethryl | should i start using lenny or go to etch stable :) |
| 14:58.00 | wols | obsethryl: etch |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | obsethryl: if you're asking .. use etch |
| 14:58.07 | rahul | but non-free can have non-free drivers |
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| 14:58.10 | Detox_at_Work | earlier kernels worked fine |
| 14:58.10 | wols | you can always upgrade to lenny if needed |
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| 14:58.25 | wols | rahul: yes but rarely on a official installer... |
| 14:59.00 | obsethryl | abrotman: it was kind of rhetorical, etch will get next update in some time from now i believe, right? |
| 14:59.00 | obsethryl | so lenny is all that is left, k going to see to that |
| 14:59.00 | rahul | wols: yeah, that's what I said :P |
| 14:59.00 | obsethryl | thanks! |
| 14:59.01 | Detox_at_Work | hold on and I will gets some stats |
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| 14:59.07 | wols | rahul: non-free won't help him when installing |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 14:59.29 | row | Hey I want to buy a "Belkin 800VA UPS 3-outlet IEC Socket CEW" anyone know if there is auto shutdown software for it in debian, so system shuts down before battery dies? |
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| 15:00.13 | phretor | do unstable-netinst CDs exist? |
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| 15:00.17 | wols | !tell row about htfswk |
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| 15:00.19 | Detox_at_Work | OK here is u name from server:::: |
| 15:00.22 | wols | phretor: no |
| 15:00.23 | Detox_at_Work | uname -a |
| 15:00.23 | Detox_at_Work | Linux nbserv.region1.net 2.6.18.2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 14 10:48:17 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:00.36 | RichiH | to access a windows share, samba is still the way to go, correct? |
| 15:00.37 | phretor | neither testing? |
| 15:00.41 | rahul | grr security updates are making a mess |
| 15:00.47 | row | wols: paste? pasted a few words... |
| 15:00.51 | wols | phretor: testing usually does |
| 15:00.55 | row | oops |
| 15:01.00 | row | ignore that, old message via dpkg |
| 15:01.11 | wols | RichiH: yes |
| 15:01.22 | wols | RichiH: actually, smbfs |
| 15:01.30 | Detox_at_Work | so,, if .2 worked ,, (using Elive),, then this version of etch .4 should work OK? |
| 15:01.41 | wols | Detox_at_Work: why should ew care what other distros put into their kernel wrt non-free software? |
| 15:01.49 | RichiH | wols: ah, ok |
| 15:01.50 | rahul | why does unstable have older packages than sarge? |
| 15:01.56 | abrotman | it doesn't ? |
| 15:02.10 | rahul | it does for half of the recent security updates :\ |
| 15:02.20 | RichiH | rahul: are you sure? |
| 15:02.22 | wols | Detox_at_Work: or know/care about other distros at all? |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | proof! |
| 15:02.37 | Detox_at_Work | was told that the kernel was plain debian |
| 15:02.39 | bzed | rahul: whow one |
| 15:02.42 | bzed | *show |
| 15:02.50 | rahul | oh, it doesn't HAVE the packages any more. hah. |
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| 15:02.59 | wols | Detox_at_Work: that can't be cause debian has no PREEMPT kernels |
| 15:03.01 | rahul | and there's no packages to replace it, it seems :\ |
| 15:03.09 | Detox_at_Work | am trying to verify that the new etch will work before I pull the server down... will have to drive 3 hours to do it |
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| 15:03.20 | vleon | how do i install with a network instalation metod on a pppoe connection? |
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| 15:03.29 | vchrizz | what works faster? four swap partitions with same priority or a raid0 out of four partitions used for swap? |
| 15:03.35 | abrotman | pppoeconfig should be on the netinst |
| 15:03.38 | rahul | what replaces xlibosmesa? |
| 15:03.47 | abrotman | libmesagl ? |
| 15:03.51 | aubergine | I have a system with many IP's. how can i tell postfix that it should only send emails out with a speciic ip adress? |
| 15:04.09 | vleon | there is no pppoeconf |
| 15:04.12 | Detox_at_Work | OK so I need to read on what a Preempt kernel is ,,,, will be back |
| 15:04.16 | bobesponja | aubergine: #postfix |
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| 15:04.32 | rahul | hrm, this mess is caused by packages depending on xlibs |
| 15:04.34 | wols | Detox_at_Work: it'S for enhanced responsiveness as a desktop |
| 15:04.53 | MrWup | when i do a netstat on port 110 |
| 15:04.53 | MrWup | unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 3355 1101/udevd @/org/kernel/udev/udevd |
| 15:04.55 | vleon | when i use bash it sais /bin/sh pppoeconf doest exist or something like thhat |
| 15:04.56 | MrWup | i get that |
| 15:05.03 | MrWup | does that mean i got something listening on 110? |
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| 15:05.10 | vchrizz | vleon: i always use netinst cdimage to install and while installing deb-installer asks to setup pppoe connection... ive got pppoe too |
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| 15:05.29 | vleon | it didnt ask me anything! |
| 15:05.41 | vleon | it tryed to configure my network with dhcp |
| 15:05.45 | abrotman | vchrizz: IIRC ... multiple swaps are used like RAID0 anyways |
| 15:05.53 | wols | MrWup: no |
| 15:06.02 | vchrizz | how and with wich version did you try to install? |
| 15:06.07 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Is debian-40r0 the official stable release or i am getting a RC ? thanks |
| 15:06.08 | wols | it means udevd has PID 1101 |
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| 15:06.17 | vleon | debian 4 i think |
| 15:06.32 | vleon | debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:06.38 | MrWup | wols, ok im trying to install Scalix and am checking for ports being listened on... just tried 143 and got: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:143 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3084/inetd |
| 15:06.38 | wols | vleon: why would you use dhcp when you have pppoe? |
| 15:06.40 | vleon | this is the name of the iso |
| 15:06.40 | K_Dallas | thanks vleon |
| 15:06.41 | vchrizz | abrotman, so i dont have to create a raid0 arr for swap? ok :) |
| 15:06.43 | rahul | why doesn't something for xorg provide xlibs?!? |
| 15:06.45 | rahul | arses |
| 15:06.53 | MrWup | wols, so inetd is listening for some reason... how would i kill it and stop it hogging the port? |
| 15:07.00 | abrotman | vchrizz: i might be mistaken .. but i think that's the way it works |
| 15:07.07 | vleon | well its an automatic choise of the installer |
| 15:07.12 | wols | MrWup: why would you? are you sure your imapd isn't started via inetd? |
| 15:07.26 | MrWup | wols, i didn't even think i had an imapd |
| 15:07.35 | vleon | it then asks me if i want to configure manually and there is a choise to put in an ip adress |
| 15:07.51 | wols | vleon: it tells you afterwards when it doesn't find anything if you want to configure. it also asks you before IIRC if you want to acquire a IP via DHCP at all |
| 15:07.51 | MrWup | wols, and if i did... i wouldn't know how to stop imapd |
| 15:07.59 | MrWup | any hints? :) |
| 15:08.11 | wols | mendred: I doN#t know what you have isntalled |
| 15:08.19 | wols | remove your imapd |
| 15:08.29 | vleon | ok ill try again and maybe ill find something new |
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| 15:08.38 | wols | vleon: that's the wrong way |
| 15:08.41 | wols | d'oh |
| 15:08.46 | wols | well, he will be back |
| 15:09.06 | rahul | ARSE |
| 15:09.17 | rahul | x11-common replaces xfree86-common but doesn't provide it!! |
| 15:09.29 | wols | xlibs? |
| 15:09.38 | rahul | !penixstrike XSF |
| 15:09.39 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking XSF to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 15:09.59 | rahul | yeah, that's right, the strike force got struck! |
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| 15:10.22 | Drakeson | I am guessing I am missing some auth/login related packages. (e.g. I cannot authenticate via pptp, gnus fails to connect ot my gmail, ...) do you know what libs are related to auth/login/crypt/... ? |
| 15:10.40 | CharminTheMoose | question: doesn't debian sarge automatically have devfs installed? |
| 15:10.50 | rahul | silly camel |
| 15:10.50 | Drakeson | (I installed a standard-base without desktop-base, distro: unstable) |
| 15:10.50 | RichiH | wols: i have to admit that mounting a windows share is embarassingly easy, these days |
| 15:10.53 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: no |
| 15:11.02 | RichiH | like.. really.. |
| 15:11.13 | CharminTheMoose | then what does it use for device detecting? |
| 15:11.14 | wols | RichiH: stuff like automatically setting the password somewhere is still awkward |
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| 15:11.19 | vchrizz | abrotman, i just have read this while searching for my problem with raid1: The "pri=1" for each of the swap partitions makes them the same |
| 15:11.19 | vchrizz | priority so the kernel does striping and that speeds up vm. |
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| 15:11.40 | rvalles | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 15:11.40 | rvalles | where's 68k? |
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| 15:11.48 | RichiH | wols: zsh has a feature where you prepend a whitespace and the line does not go into your history |
| 15:11.55 | wols | Drakeson: gmail needs TLS. maybe openssl? |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | vchrizz: so it was true ? |
| 15:12.21 | abrotman | rvalles: vancouver accord |
| 15:12.26 | wols | RichiH: I meant more for things like putting the samba share in yur fstab |
| 15:12.44 | RichiH | wols: why on earth would i ever do such a thing, though ;) |
| 15:13.05 | wols | RichiH: if you're in a stable LAN with a windows box that offers shares, or maybe a printer |
| 15:13.35 | rvalles | abrotman: :? |
| 15:13.55 | vchrizz | abrotman, yes :) |
| 15:14.15 | keith80403 | See http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ - Is it necessary to download the .template files or just the .jigdo files to create a CD image with Jigdo? |
| 15:14.19 | RichiH | wols: nah ;) |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | rvalles: not released .. |
| 15:14.29 | wols | CharminTheMoose: devfs didn't detect devices afaik. but its job was taken over by udev |
| 15:14.29 | abrotman | !m68k |
| 15:14.30 | dpkg | m68k is probably Motorola 680x0 CPU family, used in Macs, Ataris, Amigas, Palm machines, older Sun workstations, and various VME bus systems. linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models, or http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | bah .. i thought they'd have a channel |
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| 15:14.46 | abrotman | rvalles: email the port list .. i think they're going to have an unofficial relase |
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| 15:15.46 | roxy_ | in my irssi it is written: Irssi: #debian: Total of 794 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 792 normal . What is a voices ? |
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| 15:16.06 | wols | roxy_: applies to moderated channels +m |
| 15:16.21 | roxy_ | ta |
| 15:16.27 | wols | only people with voices then can speak "denoted by a plus sign besides their nicks) |
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| 15:17.05 | zrin | can I nfs mount the root while in d-i? |
| 15:17.11 | Drakeson | wols: thanks, but I have openssl already installed. do I need ssl-cert? |
| 15:17.28 | wols | Drakeson: no clue what gnus needs/wants sorry |
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| 15:17.39 | wols | all I know about is what gmail needs to use pop3 |
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| 15:17.44 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 15:17.52 | K_Dallas | What does this mean? Get-ISOs-with-HTTP! |
| 15:18.00 | abrotman | rvalles: http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2007/04/msg00003.html |
| 15:18.06 | Pupeno | What tool can I use to add and remove init scripts from boot and non-boot? |
| 15:18.15 | wols | K_Dallas: you're supposed to download ISOs via http and not ftp? |
| 15:18.23 | K_Dallas | wols, that is what i did |
| 15:18.39 | K_Dallas | wols i got to some of the HTTP links and yet i got the same message! |
| 15:18.42 | zrin | I started teh installer over network (PXE) but - how to nfs-mount the root system now? |
| 15:18.44 | Drakeson | wols: do you have it installed? or actually what does dpkg -l | grep ssl give you? mine has openssl, libssl0.9.8, ssl-cert |
| 15:18.55 | Hoxzer_ | does somebody here use torrentflux? |
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| 15:19.54 | K_Dallas | finally one site from ireland which has the isos :) |
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| 15:20.54 | roxy_ | Pupeno: update-rc.d |
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| 15:21.14 | twobitsprite | why do I only have 1 vterm? |
| 15:21.16 | roxy_ | Pupeno: in /usr/sbin |
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| 15:21.47 | abeco | Hello, I need help with my apache (since I have done a dist-upgrade and preserved my configuration the ssl does not work): [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] But I have this line: SSLSessionCache dbm:/var/run/ssl_scache |
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| 15:22.01 | zrin | NFS-mounting the target root from within d-i ... any hint? or shall I forget it and get a HDD? |
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| 15:22.08 | earthian | hello |
| 15:22.21 | twobitsprite | I have getty commands in my inittab... |
| 15:22.22 | earthian | my card seem to work on pcie slot1 |
| 15:22.33 | earthian | but now i lost my ethernet card place :x |
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| 15:22.51 | misfitx7 | how do i reconfigure the system as i did with the installer from that running system? |
| 15:23.01 | twobitsprite | nm, the rest only started on rl 2 and 3 |
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| 15:23.23 | Pupeno | roxy_: it seems to require more information than rcconf. |
| 15:23.59 | earthian | i have a problem: i have 4 gigs of ram but i see only 2gigs. where are other 2 gigs lost? |
| 15:24.42 | roxy_ | Pupeno: I don't know rcconf |
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| 15:25.16 | Pupeno | roxy_: rcconf only requires the name of the program, not the priority, which is already given in the script name. |
| 15:25.16 | vleon | nope no ppoe |
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| 15:25.53 | vleon | it doest give me any option but to configure debian with a regular network, no ppoe |
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| 15:26.36 | roxy_ | Pupeno: then use rcconf :-) |
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| 15:26.59 | roxy_ | earthian: what command do you use to see your ram ? |
| 15:27.08 | jetscreamer | so where are we |
| 15:27.23 | abeco | Hello, Does somebody know if there is a bug with apache?: [Mon Apr 09 17:24:41 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] (in debian etch). I have done a dist-upgrade and now the SSL does not work. |
| 15:27.26 | narasim_7 | roxy_: top |
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| 15:27.57 | earthian | roxy_, free and top and that bubblemon in my gnome panel |
| 15:27.58 | earthian | :/ |
| 15:28.01 | jorgp | roxy_: you can also cat /proc/meminfo |
| 15:28.26 | jetscreamer | earthian: what kernel |
| 15:28.41 | wols | roxy_: cat /proc/kcore (warning. that is a LARGE file). but you can see all of your ram that way |
| 15:28.52 | twobitsprite | so... #debian-amd64 is completely idle and I really need to figure out why my system is locking up on me... |
| 15:29.03 | wols | earthian: dos your BIOS see the 4gigs? |
| 15:29.11 | earthian | wols, yes |
| 15:29.24 | earthian | and windows did after /pae and /2g options on boot.ini |
| 15:29.26 | wols | then as jetscreamer asked: uname - |
| 15:29.28 | wols | uname -a |
| 15:29.31 | earthian | kernel is the latest |
| 15:29.36 | earthian | of debian |
| 15:29.39 | wols | answer the quesiont |
| 15:29.40 | jetscreamer | grep -i highmem /boot/config-<tab> |
| 15:29.45 | jetscreamer | earthian: ^^ |
| 15:29.48 | stoffell | what a message to start easter ! etch is available! :-) great work ! |
| 15:29.59 | earthian | doing |
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| 15:30.08 | jetscreamer | also what did uname -r return |
| 15:30.13 | wols | earthian: what is the output of uname -a? |
| 15:30.15 | jetscreamer | not latest |
| 15:30.18 | jetscreamer | or -a |
| 15:30.29 | wols | jetscreamer: it's a -486 most likely |
| 15:30.34 | jetscreamer | si |
| 15:30.41 | bzed | twobitsprite: when does it lock up? |
| 15:30.49 | earthian | wols, grep -i highmem /boot/config-<tab |
| 15:30.52 | twobitsprite | bzed: intermittently |
| 15:31.06 | earthian | jetscreamer, it write these 4 lines: |
| 15:31.07 | jetscreamer | earthian: hit the tab key where the tab is |
| 15:31.08 | twobitsprite | bzed: I've only seen it in X, but now I'm in console to see if it does it then too |
| 15:31.09 | wols | earthian: read what I asked. carefully. then answer that. can you do that? is this in your grasp? yes? |
| 15:31.17 | jetscreamer | earthian: don't paste |
| 15:31.20 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 15:31.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 15:31.21 | earthian | #flood then |
| 15:31.25 | earthian | plz :) |
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| 15:31.28 | twobitsprite | bzed: I don't think the kernel is locking up, because alt-sysrq-b still reboots |
| 15:31.38 | jetscreamer | earthian: uname -a said which? one line paste ok |
| 15:31.43 | bzed | twobitsprite: which hardware are you using? |
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| 15:31.59 | bzed | twobitsprite: and are there any messages in /var/log/syslog or in the dmesg output? |
| 15:32.00 | twobitsprite | bzed: amd64, nvidia chipset, nvidia graphics |
| 15:32.05 | jetscreamer | hola dererk[work] |
| 15:32.19 | earthian | # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set\n CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y\n # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set\n CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 15:32.24 | twobitsprite | bzed: well... I can't check those when it freezes because, well, it's frozen :P |
| 15:32.27 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, hey! :D |
| 15:32.31 | earthian | jetscreamer, replace those \n with new line ;) |
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| 15:32.36 | bzed | twobitsprite: either add the noapic option to your kernel params or use a recent kernel, >= 2.6.20.4 |
| 15:32.37 | twobitsprite | bzed: will /var/log/messages say anything about last boot? |
| 15:32.38 | Tobsn | just a short one: ipchains - how can i change the default drop state to accept? (that stupid thing blocks everything by default just not ssh) |
| 15:32.58 | bzed | !tell twobitsprite abotu etch 2.6.20 |
| 15:32.59 | twobitsprite | bzed: hmm, I'll try noapic... does that really cause it to freeze up? |
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| 15:33.00 | jetscreamer | well it 'seems' to have highmemsupport compiled in |
| 15:33.09 | twobitsprite | bzed: this is a brand new install from like 3 days ago |
| 15:33.12 | jetscreamer | earthian: and the uname -a ? |
| 15:33.19 | omha | is there any performance advantages in etch over sarge ? |
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| 15:33.23 | warjets | Tobsn: i would paste your `iptables-save` output to pastebin. That is rather dangerous to change default policies without making sure you know what you're about to do |
| 15:33.36 | bzed | twobitsprite: try noapic or the kernel. and yes, at least my network hardware froze up until using 2.6.20.4 or noapic |
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| 15:33.53 | earthian | jetscreamer, Linux fostral 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:33.57 | Schuyler | what does "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." mean? |
| 15:34.01 | wols | Tobsn: ipchains? |
| 15:34.06 | earthian | www.fostral.net/phpsysinfo |
| 15:34.08 | bzed | !tell twobitsprite about etch 2.6.20 |
| 15:34.08 | Schuyler | my attempt to dist-upgrade form sarge to etch just failed with this |
| 15:34.31 | earthian | the domain might be unavailable yet tho |
| 15:34.40 | jetscreamer | hmm. earthian, wols is gonna have to take over :) i tried what i know, and i have to go to work, too |
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| 15:34.49 | earthian | ok |
| 15:34.54 | dob1 | hi, how do i import the gpg key of volatile for apt ? |
| 15:35.01 | Tobsn | http://nopaste.biz/?14274 - there is the iptables-save |
| 15:35.07 | wols | earthian: you could try a amd64 kernel |
| 15:35.12 | twobitsprite | bzed: so, side topic... is there an easy way to paste between gpm and X? |
| 15:35.20 | earthian | wols, skype and flash would not work |
| 15:35.21 | wols | but it's kinda strange actually since it _should_ work |
| 15:35.26 | earthian | i cant think of many more... |
| 15:35.26 | earthian | :/ |
| 15:35.29 | Insolit | how do i cut a line in vi? |
| 15:35.34 | bzed | twobitsprite: no. use a file, or a screen session |
| 15:35.36 | wols | I think there are some bootparameters for highmem usage which might still work |
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| 15:35.40 | bzed | Insolit: dd |
| 15:35.44 | bucibu | hey everbody |
| 15:35.46 | earthian | like? |
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| 15:35.50 | wols | earthian: no one said a 64bit userland. I said 64bit kernel |
| 15:35.54 | militant | wt |
| 15:35.55 | militant | f |
| 15:35.58 | earthian | ph |
| 15:35.59 | bucibu | does any1 have a clue... why i dont see new kernel when i boot? |
| 15:36.00 | earthian | oh |
| 15:36.00 | Schuyler | has anyone else had this problem dist-upgrading to etch? |
| 15:36.03 | earthian | how? :o |
| 15:36.04 | bucibu | even if it's added to menu.lst? |
| 15:36.11 | Tobsn | warjets, http://nopaste.biz/?14274 |
| 15:36.22 | Alptraum- | hello, can someone tell me how to install and configure an irc server on debian? maybe a website with a tutorial? didnt find anything with google |
| 15:36.24 | militant | the first iso i burned for installing etch, heh, my sources.list had SARGE in it... wtf. |
| 15:36.28 | wols | bucibu: cause it's not in menu.lst? |
| 15:36.43 | wols | Schuyler: are any packages held back? |
| 15:36.55 | Insolit | and how do i quit vi?! |
| 15:37.05 | Pupeno | Alptraum-: aptitude install ircd, less /usr/share/doc/ircd-.../README.debian, etc. |
| 15:37.08 | Pupeno | Insolit: :q |
| 15:37.09 | wols | Insolit: esc : q! |
| 15:37.23 | bzed | Insolit: ESC :q to quit, :wq or :x to save and quit |
| 15:37.38 | wols | Insolit: use "sensible-editor" from now on |
| 15:37.42 | Insolit | this vi is somehow different |
| 15:37.52 | wols | Insolit: no it is not |
| 15:37.53 | veke | There is someone that use frequently links? Can someone that could tell me how can i click on the button in links text mode please? |
| 15:37.56 | Insolit | i can use ":" |
| 15:38.03 | bzed | Insolit: vi is vi |
| 15:38.05 | twobitsprite | Insolit: you mean, can't? |
| 15:38.10 | Schuyler | wols: how would I know? I don't think so |
| 15:38.16 | wols | veke: tab. then when highlighted press enter |
| 15:38.19 | twobitsprite | Insolit: because "can" would be normal |
| 15:38.22 | jetscreamer | earthian: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 , pick one, apt-get install it |
| 15:38.26 | Schuyler | wols: I mean, how do I figure that out? |
| 15:38.26 | wols | Schuyler: it tells you |
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| 15:38.28 | Insolit | *i can't |
| 15:38.29 | veke | wols it wont work |
| 15:38.33 | Schuyler | wols: it doesn't tell me now :-/ |
| 15:38.42 | twobitsprite | bzed: d/ling those debs... I'll try them out. thanks :) |
| 15:38.42 | Insolit | this vi is strange |
| 15:38.45 | integer | hi there, i have a problem about horde3 package default configuration |
| 15:38.49 | wols | Schuyler: but it did. start again |
| 15:38.52 | veke | it does not highlight |
| 15:38.55 | Insolit | to write a file i simply do "w" |
| 15:38.57 | integer | how can i talk with the package maintainer? |
| 15:39.00 | Schuyler | wols: it may have, but it does not now |
| 15:39.07 | Insolit | to edit a file i simply press "i" |
| 15:39.07 | Schuyler | it just fails with "Unmet dependencies" |
| 15:39.10 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 15:39.10 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:39.11 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 15:39.18 | jetscreamer | !reportbug |
| 15:39.18 | dpkg | methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 15:39.26 | wols | Insolit: you can't. well you can mail him, but I doubt maintainers want to help configure every single debian usedr their packages |
| 15:39.27 | twobitsprite | Insolit: maybe you're running it in "easy" mode? (I'm not sure, I've never used "easy" mode) |
| 15:39.32 | jetscreamer | file it as a 'wishlist' |
| 15:39.33 | wols | Insolit: if you have a bug to report, use bto |
| 15:39.37 | bzed | twobitsprite: the -image should be enough to try. I'll build a 2.6.20.6 in a fwe minutes. will take some time until it's up thre, though |
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| 15:39.46 | Insolit | i wasn't able to boot to my system |
| 15:39.57 | Insolit | so this must be a really simple vi |
| 15:40.01 | Insolit | not sure |
| 15:40.03 | wols | Schuyler: did you use backports or other non debian repositories? |
| 15:40.19 | wols | Insolit: doesn't matter. they all have :q! |
| 15:40.21 | twobitsprite | Insolit: wasn't able to boot? |
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| 15:40.30 | Schuyler | wols: no, just the Debian GIS repository. but it's not failing on any GIS packages |
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| 15:40.37 | Insolit | oh stupid i know what's wrong |
| 15:40.42 | wols | Schuyler: GIS? |
| 15:40.46 | Schuyler | is there no other way to find out which if any packages were held? |
| 15:40.48 | Insolit | my keyboard is all messed up |
| 15:40.58 | Insolit | wonder where ":" in US-keyboard |
| 15:41.01 | Schuyler | what does " postfix: Depends: netbase but it is not installed |
| 15:41.01 | wols | Schuyler: apt-get tells you |
| 15:41.03 | Schuyler | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." mean |
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| 15:41.38 | Schuyler | wols: apt-get doesn't tell me now. it fails with that error. |
| 15:41.38 | Schuyler | the apt-get dist-upgrade bombed out |
| 15:41.38 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 15:41.38 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. you may have to hit y or n somewhere though. |
| 15:41.38 | wols | Insolit: key right of "l". shift that key |
| 15:41.38 | Insolit | yes :D |
| 15:41.39 | twobitsprite | gah, I hate it when I go to wget something and forget to quote it when it has a & in the url |
| 15:41.41 | wols | Schuyler: paste the output |
| 15:41.48 | wols | Schuyler: all of it |
| 15:41.51 | Schuyler | wols, ok one sec |
| 15:42.06 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: it works with ? in url too! :-) |
| 15:42.09 | Insolit | finally :D |
| 15:42.12 | Insolit | thanks a lot guys |
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| 15:42.32 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: "works"? |
| 15:42.37 | wols | Schuyler: also: apt-cache policy postfix and apt-cache policy netbase. output of both |
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| 15:42.43 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: that way |
| 15:43.04 | zrin | is it possible to NFS-mount the target root from debian installer? |
| 15:43.08 | Insolit | i must have a huge conflict between SATA device and pci-adapter for ATA devices with one disk installed |
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| 15:43.35 | Insolit | in BIOS it puts SATA as hd0, in system it puts as sda0 |
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| 15:43.55 | wols | Insolit: sda0? are you sure? |
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| 15:43.59 | wols | and sda is normal for SATA |
| 15:44.03 | jetscreamer | Insolit: yes, let me show you the bug |
| 15:44.19 | Insolit | jetscreamer: yes show me |
| 15:45.02 | Schuyler | wols: http://rafb.net/p/PnAuru54.html is the result of my attempts to fix this |
| 15:45.22 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 15:45.29 | earthian | there is linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 avalable when i do apt-cache search linux-image. is it a kernel that will make my system from 32bit to 64bit (so 32bit only apps wont work) or is it only a kernel while the userspace (or dunno how you call it) is still 32bit ? |
| 15:45.39 | earthian | did i make myself understandable? :S |
| 15:45.52 | abrotman | earthian: that's a 64bit kernel for a 32bit userlan |
| 15:45.57 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 15:45.59 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 15:46.01 | jetscreamer | that one |
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| 15:46.03 | jetscreamer | at the top |
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| 15:46.14 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot |
| 15:46.21 | jetscreamer | i cannot believe they didn't fix that |
| 15:46.33 | jetscreamer | i got that when udev first appeared in sid |
| 15:47.07 | twobitsprite | bzed: hmm... your blog links are wierd... wget wants to name the files with the .deb?id=blog:2.6.20.4_for_debian_etch extention :P |
| 15:47.16 | Insolit | this is really strange, in order to boot correctly to OS in SATA device, i must use a grub loader installed in its MBR, set root hd(0,9) but then defining where kernel is i must use root=/dev/sda9 |
| 15:47.25 | earthian | abrotman, so basically when i install that new kernel it will make my system i386 (as it is now) except that the system will see all my ram (4gigs) and CPUs will work on full 64bit mode? am i right? |
| 15:47.29 | jetscreamer | earthian: the userspace thing is/are the files/programs.. you can run a 64bit kernel with 32bit applications |
| 15:47.37 | jetscreamer | so just install one |
| 15:47.41 | jetscreamer | is what wols meant |
| 15:47.43 | bzed | twobitsprite: jsut remove the ? and anythign behind it |
| 15:47.44 | abrotman | earthian: what did i just say ? |
| 15:47.48 | earthian | erm |
| 15:47.58 | twobitsprite | bzed: I know... it's just disorienting when it does that :P |
| 15:48.01 | earthian | will my skype and flash inside browsers work with that kernel? |
| 15:48.02 | earthian | :p |
| 15:48.05 | Insolit | jetscreamer: then this must be a bug of knoppix 5.1.1 |
| 15:48.06 | wols | Schuyler: apt-gte install <stuff> where stuff is any and each package metnioned in those unmet dependencies |
| 15:48.18 | Insolit | it's probably based in old debian dist |
| 15:48.21 | wols | Schuyler: no matter where. if it's mentioned: include it |
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| 15:48.22 | jetscreamer | my god they don't even say how to fix it |
| 15:48.29 | bzed | twobitsprite: yeah, that's mainly for caching. if you use some browser to download the stuff behind ? won't show up in the filename |
| 15:48.29 | wols | Schuyler: after that, dist-upgrade again |
| 15:48.33 | militant | ERROR: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system .... which package? my libc6 is supposedly up to date and 'libc header' doesn't give any useful results in apt-cache |
| 15:48.43 | bzed | !tell Insolit about knoppix |
| 15:48.44 | Insolit | jetscreamer: they don't :( |
| 15:48.45 | jetscreamer | rip udev out, that fixes it.. also running a -386 or -486 kernel fixes it also |
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| 15:48.57 | Schuyler | wols, I get a similar set of errors when Id od that :-/ |
| 15:49.00 | jetscreamer | install yaird before removing udev |
| 15:49.04 | Insolit | jetscreamer: don't i need udev to other stuff? |
| 15:49.05 | Schuyler | I'll keep fiddling |
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| 15:49.24 | jetscreamer | Insolit: well... a lot of things seem to depend on it |
| 15:49.29 | abrotman | earthian: just stick with 32bit stuff |
| 15:49.31 | jetscreamer | run a -386 kernel |
| 15:49.34 | militant | jetscreamer, how lovely, i'm doing the nvidia biz again. and getting errors! different ones this time. but it's cool, i'm getting it ironed out |
| 15:49.37 | wols | Schuyler: ho similar? |
| 15:49.39 | abrotman | earthian: uname -a .. what's your current kernel ? |
| 15:49.45 | jetscreamer | abrotman: he can't see all his memory |
| 15:49.45 | bzed | Insolit: your root=/dev/sda9 and hd(0,9) stuff is nothing unusual, it's jsut right |
| 15:49.46 | Insolit | jetscreamer: i'll just use the turnaround i just found ou |
| 15:49.53 | jetscreamer | k |
| 15:49.55 | wols | abrotman: he has 18-4-k7 |
| 15:49.56 | earthian | abrotman, Linux fostral 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:50.01 | twobitsprite | bzed: seems your debs have some broken symlinks |
| 15:50.07 | twobitsprite | is 2line paste ok in here? |
| 15:50.11 | bzed | twobitsprite: uh? |
| 15:50.22 | jetscreamer | bzed: first one. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 15:50.40 | earthian | i moved from amd64 system to k7 sometime ago because some stuff did not work (skype, flash, wine) |
| 15:50.41 | Insolit | bzed: but i boot for example to an OS in ATA device, then the ATA device is also hd0 |
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| 15:51.24 | Insolit | and so it's impossible and this stage to have a boot loader in ATA device |
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| 15:51.36 | Insolit | and boot into a OS in SATA device |
| 15:51.39 | wols | Insolit: why would it be impossible? |
| 15:51.48 | jetscreamer | Insolit: it takes some nasty hacking, OR configuring of grub |
| 15:51.56 | earthian | ups |
| 15:52.02 | bzed | Insolit: hd(...) is in the order as presented from the bios, root=/dev/somethign is the device name |
| 15:52.03 | wols | Insolit: set your bios to boot from sata first and it's ok. |
| 15:52.20 | jetscreamer | bzed: did you read that link? it's what he has |
| 15:52.21 | bzed | Insolit: and you do NOT want to remove udev from etch, you're going trough hell if you try it |
| 15:52.29 | Insolit | no i won't do that |
| 15:52.40 | Schuyler | wols: following your advice plus running "dpkg --remove" a bunch of times seems to have fixed it. |
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| 15:52.45 | Insolit | simply to boot into the OS in the SATA device, i need the bootloader in SATA device |
| 15:53.00 | bzed | twobitsprite: point me to the missing symlinks please? |
| 15:53.01 | Insolit | and to boot into the OS in the ATA device i need to boot firstly into the ATA device |
| 15:53.13 | twobitsprite | bzed: can I paste 2 lines in here? |
| 15:53.28 | bzed | twobitsprite: 2 is ok |
| 15:53.28 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.28 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.28 | Insolit | maybe lilo would work better |
| 15:53.31 | twobitsprite | that's the error I get |
| 15:53.33 | jetscreamer | Insolit: removing/unplugging one of the hd's will work :o (seriously) |
| 15:53.40 | bzed | Insolit: where's the problem? that's easy to handle for grub |
| 15:53.43 | twobitsprite | bzed: then it says something about removing the link |
| 15:53.57 | jetscreamer | bzed: i see you've never had the bug |
| 15:54.10 | Insolit | bzed: seems you're not understanding my problem |
| 15:54.14 | bzed | twobitsprite: it's a link from the modules dir into the build directory - which does not exist because you don;t have the source installed. nothign to worry about |
| 15:54.21 | twobitsprite | ok |
| 15:54.24 | wols | bzed: udev basically (randomly) changes devices around |
| 15:54.25 | jetscreamer | !comfort Insolit |
| 15:54.25 | dpkg | There, there, Insolit. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:54.29 | twobitsprite | time to reboot (crosses fingers) |
| 15:54.30 | wols | that's nothing grub can handle |
| 15:54.42 | bzed | wols: use UUIDS then |
| 15:54.52 | wols | UUIDS? |
| 15:54.55 | jetscreamer | wols: it's not random, it's exactly opposite of what you try to set it to.. everytime |
| 15:55.00 | bzed | Insolit: use UUIDS in grub to specify your root deives |
| 15:55.00 | jetscreamer | it sucks :) |
| 15:55.06 | Insolit | yes jetscreamer is right |
| 15:55.10 | jetscreamer | you can also make an udev rule |
| 15:55.14 | Insolit | bzed: how do i do that? |
| 15:55.19 | militant | jetscreamer, wow, i'm cool. fixed it! nvidia workie :) |
| 15:55.23 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 15:55.29 | bzed | Insolit: are you in a runnign system? |
| 15:55.33 | wols | bzed: fixing grub won't fix fstab... |
| 15:55.39 | earthian | wow! |
| 15:55.48 | Insolit | yes i'm on a running system |
| 15:55.50 | militant | thanks for your help last night. i got this figured out for future situations as well, now. cool of ya |
| 15:55.51 | earthian | seem that kernel sees my memory |
| 15:55.57 | earthian | i found this in dmesg: Memory: 2054916k/4194304k available (1557k kernel code, 40912k reserved, 581k data, 196k init, 1179620k highmem) |
| 15:55.58 | jetscreamer | Insolit: a -386 kernel doesn't depend on udev, it will work. |
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| 15:56.11 | jetscreamer | seems to work earthian |
| 15:56.14 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 15:56.16 | wols | earthian: miracles never cease |
| 15:56.22 | Insolit | jetscreamer: i can't change kernel in this case |
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| 15:56.33 | jetscreamer | Insolit: udev rules |
| 15:56.36 | earthian | ok. what do i do now? :/ |
| 15:56.42 | twobitsprite | bzed: well... it booted :) |
| 15:56.47 | Insolit | jetscreamer: where do i set those? |
| 15:57.10 | bzed | wols: you can use UUIDs in fstab, too |
| 15:57.25 | jetscreamer | Insolit: /etc/udev/udev.rules iirc... i was going to ask bzed to help me create such a rule, for exactly this purpose, but i haven't gotten around to it... remember bzed? |
| 15:57.30 | bzed | jetscreamer: running a kernel without udev is just plain stupid :\ |
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| 15:57.35 | twobitsprite | bzed: so... was I supposed to use noapic with this kernel too? |
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| 15:57.53 | bzed | twobitsprite: no, shoudl work without noapic |
| 15:57.56 | Insolit | damn i must erase fstab each time i boot to boot properly into system :| |
| 15:57.57 | jetscreamer | bzed: sure it is.... it's stupid to do the only thing you can to get your fresh install to actually run |
| 15:57.57 | militant | hmmm any idea why i can't get the gnome menu bar to actually sit on the *bottom* under the one with the show desktop button? it insists on sticking itself just above it |
| 15:58.03 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:58.03 | Eulex | haha, I was gonna upgrade a sarge box and got really scared of the amount it wanted to upgrade, then I recalled that etch was released and it must have 'stable' stated in its sources.list :) |
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| 15:58.29 | jetscreamer | militant: there are 2, one top one bottom. i always make it just one at the bottom though |
| 15:58.42 | jetscreamer | oh under |
| 15:58.47 | militant | on sarge i had both on the bottom but the one i wanted was on the absolute bottom |
| 15:58.50 | jetscreamer | make the bottom double sized maybe |
| 15:59.00 | wols | bzed: what ARE UUIDs? |
| 15:59.09 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 15:59.10 | bzed | jetscreamer, Insolit: there're 2 ways: either use UUIDs in grub and fstab, or edit the udev rules. I'd guess the first option is the more simple one as writing udev rules is a bit pain in the ass due to venders having extra spaces at the end of their anmes |
| 15:59.15 | twobitsprite | bzed: sweet, thanks! only time will tell for sure though :) |
| 15:59.34 | jetscreamer | i've done the uuid thing in fstab, it does work, but i can't swear it works for this bug |
| 15:59.41 | Insolit | bzed: if only u could give an example of where to see UUIDS and to use them |
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| 16:00.01 | bzed | Insolit: look into /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 16:00.04 | jetscreamer | hey the suse installer gives you the option when you install :o |
| 16:00.21 | bzed | jetscreamer: ubuntu uses them as default |
| 16:00.32 | jetscreamer | bzed: you remember i was gonna ask you to help me make an udev rule eh... this was it :) |
| 16:00.40 | jetscreamer | anyway, gtg :/ |
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| 16:01.17 | xingu | boot-time blockdev names and paths ought to be stable by the time the initramfs does its pivot_root, right? |
| 16:01.20 | Insolit | ok booting again to system and will check that |
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| 16:01.34 | bzed | Insolit: there you find links whith the UUID of the device pointing to the device... if there's no link, please let me know, then we need another way to find them |
| 16:01.44 | xingu | so probably the right answer is allow udev to do what it wants to do, and then mount stable /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab. |
| 16:01.50 | jetscreamer | note kanotix fixed this bug a long time ago |
| 16:02.02 | Insolit | at the moment, i need to set grub to but into (hd0,9) and root=/dev/hda9, but then when OS boots devices are mapped to /dev/sda |
| 16:02.05 | jetscreamer | ytf debian didn't i do not know |
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| 16:02.24 | \amethyst | !uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 16:02.25 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 16:02.27 | jetscreamer | it's MY fault |
| 16:02.31 | xingu | "fixed" - whatwas their compromise? |
| 16:02.35 | jetscreamer | i didn't file a bug report |
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| 16:02.38 | bzed | Insolit: mainly you use UUID=sdlfjknsdfsldfnsa << or whatever your uuid is in /etc/fstab and in grub's menu.lst |
| 16:02.43 | jetscreamer | udev rule iirc, xingu |
| 16:02.58 | xingu | doing what exactly |
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| 16:03.01 | jetscreamer | not postive, i never tracked it down |
| 16:03.04 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 16:03.05 | \amethyst | Labels might be a little better than UUIDs if you filesystems support labels |
| 16:03.17 | bzed | \amethyst: hmm, tha'ts not absolutely correct unfortunately, sa the /dev/disk/by-uuid does not work on recent kernels as far as I can see |
| 16:03.21 | jetscreamer | i just know it did not give me the error and etch did |
| 16:03.28 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: dejavu... I remember you talking about labels vs. UUIDs last week or so |
| 16:03.28 | xingu | right, well we can park that in a bucket of useful titbits - there's a round one over there near the door |
| 16:03.33 | \amethyst | bzed: It doesn't? |
| 16:03.41 | militant | btw what's with iceweasel? i mean ... what happened to straight standard firefox? |
| 16:03.43 | \amethyst | bzed: What version of the kernel and udev ? |
| 16:03.47 | jetscreamer | oh the fact that somebody fixed it is trivial.. ok |
| 16:03.50 | \amethyst | militant: Trademark issues mainly |
| 16:03.52 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 16:04.00 | militant | trademark? |
| 16:04.13 | nivanson | militant, there are tons of articles about this on the net |
| 16:04.14 | jetscreamer | chunks |
| 16:04.15 | toote | militant: the logo |
| 16:04.19 | xingu | bzed: works ok here for sid and lkml 2.6.20.6 |
| 16:04.26 | \amethyst | militant: Mozilla foundation said "you can't call it firefox unless you use the (non-free) firefox logo" |
| 16:04.30 | xingu | s/lkml/lko/ |
| 16:04.31 | militant | ahhh |
| 16:04.33 | militant | so |
| 16:04.40 | militant | so it's the same thing with a diff name/icon |
| 16:04.44 | militant | err |
| 16:04.46 | militant | name and logo |
| 16:04.50 | \amethyst | militant: there was also supposedly some "You have to get your changes approved by us if you call it firefox" |
| 16:04.57 | bzed | \amethyst: well at least it only shows normal partitions, I thought md and other stuff was in there before, too |
| 16:04.59 | militant | bah |
| 16:05.00 | militant | ok |
| 16:05.01 | nivanson | militant, also, you cannot call it firefox if you apply your own patches |
| 16:05.04 | militant | iceweasel it is |
| 16:05.06 | militant | :D |
| 16:05.08 | \amethyst | bzed: Hm, not sure about that |
| 16:05.35 | jetscreamer | actually, i don't have my addin controller in my box for just this reason, and that is the only reason |
| 16:05.36 | bzed | \amethyst: and I think that there was a change in the uuid stuff.... |
| 16:05.48 | \amethyst | bzed: What about labels? |
| 16:05.58 | militant | and pidgin is basically the same issue. but it's not in etch stable right now so gaim is the same code anyway? |
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| 16:06.15 | \amethyst | Well, pidgin isn't a Debian rename |
| 16:06.19 | militant | right |
| 16:06.20 | \amethyst | It's an upstream rename |
| 16:06.38 | militant | but same sort of issue. the author himself renamed it due to harrassment from aol, essentially. |
| 16:07.00 | \amethyst | I wouldn't call it harrassment, since there's really no question of who owns the trademarks |
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| 16:07.20 | \amethyst | But yeah... when pidgin makes it to debian, there will probably be a transition package named "gaim" |
| 16:07.25 | bzed | \amethyst: I think the stuff in /dev/disk only shows up if you're looking on a real partition on a disk. finding the uuid of lvm, md and other weird things works on a bit different way, although I'd prefer to have a simple way for all cases |
| 16:07.27 | militant | alrighty |
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| 16:07.38 | xingu | jetscreamer: it's still a potential issue, the real issue is that the init calls for each driver/ storage controller have no ordering guarantees |
| 16:07.42 | \amethyst | bzed: Isn't that a matter of how udev is set up? |
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| 16:08.01 | Insolit | finally booting to system |
| 16:08.06 | xingu | jetscreamer: there's no real reason why a usb disk couldn't init and grab sda before libata was able to |
| 16:08.07 | Insolit | now ill see that UUID |
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| 16:08.33 | bzed | \amethyst: I guess you could add that to udev, but I guess there is a different way to do so |
| 16:08.44 | jetscreamer | xingu, bzed, Insolit : i heard, but never tested, that you could also maybe fix it when you roll your initrd, by usuing some mkinitrd rule |
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| 16:09.19 | jetscreamer | and specifying the order that the drivers get loaded |
| 16:09.19 | xingu | jetscreamer: the real issue is allowing the initramfs environment to build stable paths; in theory with initramfs the root= boot arg is a furfey - it's should be largely irrelevant, as the initramfs could happily pivot_root to any stable pathname known by the time the init script ends. |
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| 16:09.26 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: it did it again |
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| 16:09.29 | B-B | Hello |
| 16:09.42 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: does it lockup on console? |
| 16:09.44 | xingu | jetscreamer: even if you control load order you still aren't controlling init order; if it happens to general perform in some sequence, that's luck, not a guarentee |
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| 16:10.22 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: I not sure... I was in gui |
| 16:10.33 | Insolit | bzed i have a lot of UUID |
| 16:10.38 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: I haven't seen it lock up in console, although I'm in console now, and was when we were talking earlier |
| 16:11.05 | Insolit | oh each uuid is a symbolink link |
| 16:11.06 | karmatronic | i just want to say ... |
| 16:11.07 | bzed | Insolit: find the one which points to your root partitionm |
| 16:11.09 | karmatronic | finally !!!! |
| 16:11.19 | Insolit | bzed: how do i use the UUID in grub? |
| 16:11.23 | xingu | grub still needs to know where to put the boot loader; but it should be able to do that already, using /dev/by-*/ |
| 16:11.31 | bucibu | as we are at grub... |
| 16:11.41 | bucibu | http://rafb.net/p/tDPbvt25.html |
| 16:11.45 | bucibu | why this don't work? |
| 16:11.53 | bucibu | actually it boots kernel which is not listed |
| 16:11.59 | Insolit | instead of root hd(0,8) i put "root UUID" ? |
| 16:12.07 | bzed | Insolit: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and replace root=/dev/sdaX by root=UUID=ASDNBASD@#$ |
| 16:12.10 | bucibu | and none of that shows in boot is not when i boot |
| 16:12.13 | xingu | mount and fsck need to know what to mount, but again - the udev links will be stable by then unless the initramfs environment is doing something stupid/buggy. |
| 16:12.33 | B-B | Does anyone know why Debian names are taken from those of "Toy Story" ? |
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| 16:12.42 | bzed | Insolit: you leave the hd(0,8) in there as the device order does not change if you dont; change it in bios |
| 16:12.59 | bucibu | any clue for me? |
| 16:13.06 | bucibu | i would like to boot that 2.6 |
| 16:13.15 | rdz | when i boot, i get: http://rafb.net/p/uqIT5E30.html. how could i solve that? |
| 16:13.17 | bzed | Insolit: behind the UUID= you put the UUID as shown by the link |
| 16:13.17 | bucibu | but it's not even listed - but it IS in menu.lst |
| 16:13.25 | xingu | bzed: I assume the grub names are resultset from int0x13? |
| 16:13.49 | jetscreamer | changing it in bios would make it flip.. it's like 2 magnets that push each other away |
| 16:13.50 | bzed | xingu: I'd guess that, not sure about grub's magic though |
| 16:13.53 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 16:13.54 | jorgp | looks like gnome 2.18 is making its way into unstable |
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| 16:13.58 | bzed | Insolit: then you edit /etc/fstab and do the same for all devices you need to boot |
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| 16:13.58 | Insolit | bzed: so i must change all the fstab entrances as well? |
| 16:14.05 | Insolit | omg... :P |
| 16:14.08 | jetscreamer | gah i gtg !! |
| 16:14.10 | nvz | B-B: former project leader Bruce Parens worked at pixar during time of that movie's making.. he has been said to be asked if he was proud to work at pixar when he joked that his hobby (debian) had been running on shuttles in space |
| 16:14.23 | bzed | Insolit: probably make a backup :P |
| 16:14.27 | B-B | ok thanks nvz |
| 16:14.27 | twobitsp1ite | bleh... now I just have to entertain myself on the console for a while to see if it crashes :P |
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| 16:14.38 | twobitsp1ite | anyone know any good jokes? :P |
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| 16:15.08 | zach455 | I have been running etch on my server but now with the new release do I change all etch references in sources.list to stable? |
| 16:15.31 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: probably put some load on it? |
| 16:15.42 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: anythign interesting in the dmesg output? |
| 16:15.56 | wols | zach455: yes |
| 16:16.00 | bzed | zach455: you could leave them on etch fi you want, not a problem |
| 16:16.11 | schitzo` | Hi |
| 16:16.16 | bzed | zach455: but if they point to testing, you should change it |
| 16:16.17 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: eth0 went down and back up, but it seems to do that each time I boot |
| 16:16.29 | Insolit | bzed: could u tell me the line format to fstab? |
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| 16:17.01 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: "Nvidia board detected. Ignoring ACPI timer override." |
| 16:17.06 | shaula | In release notes of etch is says "... Debian Security Team may come to a point where supporting Mozilla products is no longer feasible and announce the end of security support for Mozilla products. You should take this into account when deploying Mozilla and consider alternatives available in Debian if the absence of security support would pose a problem for you." what does that mean do we have to stop using firefox? what is the meaning of "absence of sec |
| 16:17.06 | shaula | urity support"? |
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| 16:17.16 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: "If you got timer trouble try acpi_use_timer_override" |
| 16:17.27 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: does that mean anything important? |
| 16:17.40 | bzed | Insolit: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Fstab |
| 16:17.54 | Insolit | thanks |
| 16:18.01 | Insolit | i just changed grub |
| 16:18.06 | Insolit | let's see what happens now |
| 16:18.43 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: hmm... not sure. probably the problem abit fixed with the last bios update on my board |
| 16:18.56 | ryanakca | !repo |
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| 16:19.04 | ryanakca | !repos |
| 16:19.08 | ryanakca | drats |
| 16:19.25 | zach455 | bzed: thanks |
| 16:19.51 | ryanakca | what's the repositories with all the options for debian etch? |
| 16:20.00 | schitzo` | no |
| 16:20.14 | ryanakca | (debian's equivalent of universe and multiverse...) |
| 16:20.18 | ryanakca | s/options/packages |
| 16:20.29 | bzed | shaula: mainly it means that there won't be any updates to iceweasel/iceape, becuase it's almsot impossible to backport bugfixes in those products back to the versions shiopped with etch, not only because mozilla doesn;t have any interest to support debian on this |
| 16:20.34 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: I'm not sure I understand |
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| 16:20.57 | poideac | shaula, Debian developers don't support Mozilla. Some logo issue a while back. Google for "iceweasel" |
| 16:21.29 | Schuyler | whew |
| 16:21.33 | poideac | shaula, i.e., if I remember correctly. ;) |
| 16:21.38 | Schuyler | wols, thanks for your advice |
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| 16:22.07 | bzed | shaula: so when this happens you either you get the stuff directly from mozilla, maintain it yourself, or backport actual versions from testing/unstable to etch or jsut don;t use iceape/iceweasel |
| 16:22.16 | hark | ryanakca: no such thing |
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| 16:22.44 | ryanakca | hark: I found what I was looking for... main contrib non-free |
| 16:22.53 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: there was some linux related bug on my nvidia chipset which was fixed bny a bios updated 3 months ago |
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| 16:23.04 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: but I have no clue which problem exacly |
| 16:23.20 | shaula | yes I am checking "iceweasel" now from google poideac. I don't want to maintain myself actually bzed so it seems wiser to use another browser, what can be suggested at this point? |
| 16:23.31 | hark | !why iceweasel |
| 16:23.32 | dpkg | i guess why iceweasel is debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 16:23.48 | simonrvn | it's in debian... |
| 16:23.53 | bzed | shaula: read it again: it : the security team MAY come to the point. |
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| 16:24.19 | hark | security updates will be provided for it... |
| 16:24.21 | bzed | shaula: it doesn't say the security team WILL NOT get fixes out for the mozilla products |
| 16:24.32 | poideac | shaula, use iceweasel. it's supported and it's very similar (in my opinion) to firefox. |
| 16:24.51 | twobitsp1ite | how do I check if my system is running framebuffer? |
| 16:25.04 | simonrvn | cat /proc/fb |
| 16:25.15 | bzed | shaula: it is firefox, with some patches to clean up the mess and different logos |
| 16:25.37 | twobitsp1ite | simonrvn: I assume that no output means it isn't running? |
| 16:25.38 | shaula | ok, thanks for the explanations I am not a native speaker, its sometimes hard for me to get the point, thanks again |
| 16:25.44 | hark | !icelizard |
| 16:25.45 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey). |
| 16:26.04 | simonrvn | no fb module is running, yes |
| 16:26.15 | poideac | hark, didn't know of icelizard. ;) |
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| 16:26.36 | hark | it's cool ;) |
| 16:26.40 | twobitsp1ite | simonrvn: /msg dpkg framebuffer didn't say much about this... how would I set it up? (i.e. I want to run elinks in console with graphics |
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| 16:27.02 | lindenle | Can anyone suggest a laptop daemon like the one in kde that runs well under fluxbox? |
| 16:27.19 | hark | just boot with a vga=<param>, vesafb by default |
| 16:27.20 | simonrvn | load the right framebuffer module, there's a vesa one |
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| 16:27.35 | twobitsp1ite | lindenle: IIRC you can run KDE dockapps in the fluxbox dock |
| 16:27.38 | lindenle | Basically that will put my laptop to sleep when it reaches a critical battery |
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| 16:27.39 | simonrvn | and that ^^^ |
| 16:27.41 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: you need to use vesafb as nvidiafb won't work with the nvidia X driver |
| 16:27.49 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.55 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.54 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: I think video=vesafb:0xsomethign with 0xsomething from the output fo hwinfo --framebuffer will do the jobn. not sure though |
| 16:29.00 | hark | set a good font like the console terminus one, and you're all set |
| 16:29.05 | c5jr | hmm icelizard stuff sounds like fun |
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| 16:29.38 | c5jr | i wonder if Mozilla Corporation would mind the work I have done in the past customizing their browser for use on a Debian-based distribution |
| 16:29.43 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: where do I set that? |
| 16:29.53 | twobitsp1ite | in the xorg.conf? |
| 16:30.00 | hark | read /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.18/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt.gz |
| 16:30.01 | jetscreamer | i left, i came back, and, i'm on the clock... life is rough |
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| 16:30.09 | bzed | twobitsp1ite: search for kopt= in /boot/grub/menu.lst, append it to that line and run update-grub |
| 16:30.15 | SerajewelKS | does this link crash etch Iceweasel for anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Real_estate_pricing&diff=prev&oldid=121446184 |
| 16:30.22 | MattCampbell | Is it possible to run the Debian Etch installer from a non-Debian rescue environment? |
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| 16:30.40 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: I'm using lilo... but I think I can find where to put that in there |
| 16:30.42 | rdz | how can i solve this: http://rafb.net/p/uqIT5E30.html i get that while trying to boot |
| 16:30.42 | bzed | MattCampbell: you wanna use cdebootsrap instead |
| 16:30.51 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 16:30.56 | bzed | MattCampbell: *cdebootstrap |
| 16:30.59 | HardDisk_WP | i hit a bug in supertuxkart. |
| 16:31.04 | HardDisk_WP | i run debian etch.. |
| 16:31.12 | bzed | !tell HardDisk_WP about reportbug |
| 16:31.17 | Insolit | OMG |
| 16:31.20 | HardDisk_WP | everytime i start it, it tells: Data files will be fetched from: '/usr/share/games/supertuxkart/' |
| 16:31.20 | HardDisk_WP | Config directory '/home/marco/.supertuxkart' successfully created. |
| 16:31.21 | HardDisk_WP | Speicherzugriffsfehler |
| 16:31.23 | Insolit | once it works |
| 16:31.27 | Insolit | others it does not |
| 16:31.29 | Insolit | i'm doomed :| |
| 16:31.36 | twobitsp1ite | bzed: should I just put it on the "append" line in lilo.conf? |
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| 16:31.47 | xingu | SerajewelKS: it doesn't crash, but there's a mighty suspect div tag or something there |
| 16:31.50 | Insolit | maybe i should install lilo instead |
| 16:31.57 | jetscreamer | i think rdz might have what Insolit has |
| 16:32.02 | bzed | SerajewelKS: it doesn't crash but the css is FUHKed up |
| 16:32.03 | jetscreamer | Insolit: lilo won't help |
| 16:32.04 | lindenle | what is the x app to get a new login in a x window? |
| 16:32.12 | jetscreamer | xnest |
| 16:32.13 | Insolit | UUID does not fix this |
| 16:32.18 | SerajewelKS | odd |
| 16:32.19 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to call it thiugh |
| 16:32.20 | hark | SerajewelKS: works here, though it's screwed up.. Session Manager ftw |
| 16:32.26 | Insolit | now it worked, before it did not |
| 16:32.26 | hark | !ftw |
| 16:32.27 | lindenle | !beer jetscreamer |
| 16:32.27 | bzed | Insolit: uh? |
| 16:32.30 | Insolit | with exact same configurations |
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| 16:32.34 | xingu | SerajewelKS: big blue link to something that smells like spam - http://land-investment.DELETE_THIS_FOR_HAPPY_FUNmoundsof.info/ |
| 16:32.35 | bzed | Insolit: did you change /etc/fstab, too? |
| 16:32.40 | SerajewelKS | xingu, bzed, hark: yes, it was vandalism (i blocked the user) but over here it causes iceweasel to crash |
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| 16:32.55 | Insolit | problem seems that root hd(0,0) changes |
| 16:33.18 | c5jr | thats a good guess Insolit |
| 16:33.18 | jetscreamer | it does something to my iceweasel, SerajewelKS ... lock up at least... or hang |
| 16:33.33 | Insolit | well i'll simply just not reboot this machine anymore :| |
| 16:33.34 | Insolit | lol |
| 16:33.35 | jetscreamer | boot a -386 kernel |
| 16:33.37 | c5jr | sounds likely, given what information i have |
| 16:33.37 | rdz | jetscreamer, i played back my backup from rsnapshot. of course, i didn't backup dome directories like /dev /mnt/ /sys/ /proc. i created /dev manually , but it didn't work |
| 16:33.39 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying it now with extensions disabled |
| 16:33.40 | jetscreamer | no problem |
| 16:33.48 | c5jr | yeah, go for a previous kernel and see what happens |
| 16:33.54 | jetscreamer | rdz: no idea then |
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| 16:34.09 | bzed | Insolit: that hsould not change. the bios should show the same order always |
| 16:34.12 | Insolit | now it will be funny to see what happens with another USB2 drive device :| |
| 16:34.20 | SerajewelKS | nope, still crashes with extensions disabled |
| 16:34.27 | jetscreamer | bzed: bios doesn't do hd0 eh |
| 16:34.32 | jetscreamer | grub does |
| 16:34.33 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I run a pretty defanged environment - x86_64, privoxy, and an addzapping actions fle |
| 16:34.43 | c5jr | how bios does hd0 is specific to hardware |
| 16:34.59 | jetscreamer | use the terminology hd0 then |
| 16:35.01 | SerajewelKS | i know i if i put this on the BTS it's going to get tagged worksforme/moreinfo |
| 16:35.18 | hark | heh, NOTABUG |
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| 16:35.25 | Insolit | there should be an UUID to a drive as well |
| 16:35.31 | hark | WONTFIX |
| 16:35.42 | Insolit | so that root UUID would always point to a specific drive |
| 16:35.43 | xingu | SerajewelKS: there's onmouseover's attached to the pictures... |
| 16:35.44 | jetscreamer | i asked in #debian-boot about this a long time ago.. they just ignored me |
| 16:35.50 | Insolit | it's stupid that this depends on a BIOS guess |
| 16:35.59 | SDBolts21n56 | i am a few months into learn Linux, mostly using only Debian, I see that 4.0 was released yesterday. How easy is it to upgrade? |
| 16:36.04 | xingu | or something |
| 16:36.06 | Insolit | drives have UIDS so they should ALWAYS be used |
| 16:36.09 | simonrvn | very easy |
| 16:36.26 | hark | SDBolts21n56: read the release notes, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:36.34 | jetscreamer | make that long long long time ago |
| 16:36.38 | SerajewelKS | time to fire up gdb i guess |
| 16:36.43 | SDBolts21n56 | hark, thanks |
| 16:37.05 | bzed | Insolit: what's the content of /boot/grub/device.map |
| 16:37.17 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 16:37.28 | Insolit | in my system i think the following is happening, from the BIOS point of view, when booting into ATA device hd0 is the ATA sd0 is the SATA |
| 16:38.17 | Insolit | from the SATA point of view, hd0 is SATA, sd0 is ATA |
| 16:38.18 | raveneye | Any release date set for Lenny? |
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| 16:38.18 | c5jr | this is a desktop, Insolit? |
| 16:38.18 | Insolit | yes |
| 16:38.18 | jetscreamer | lol@raveneye |
| 16:38.18 | SDBolts21n56 | Does X11 run over ssh? |
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| 16:38.18 | Insolit | *sd0 = hd1 |
| 16:38.18 | jetscreamer | if you let it, SDBolts21n56 |
| 16:38.21 | Insolit | i meant hd0 and hd1 not sd0 |
| 16:38.21 | militant | k so what's the deal with mp3's not playing in etch. heh. |
| 16:38.22 | moldy | SDBolts21n56: yes |
| 16:38.26 | c5jr | do all drives have to be in, or can you remove the SATA/ATA point of view issue by pulling a cable? |
| 16:38.33 | c5jr | yah |
| 16:38.33 | SerajewelKS | militant: which player |
| 16:38.43 | militant | SerajewelKS, totem and vlc so far |
| 16:38.44 | jetscreamer | i told you, unplug one, problem gone |
| 16:38.46 | hark | raveneye!! |
| 16:38.50 | SerajewelKS | militant: they play here |
| 16:38.52 | Insolit | my device.map --> hd0 --> /dev/hda; hda1 --> /dev/sda |
| 16:38.53 | hark | militant: they do |
| 16:38.56 | dashs | Didn't realize I was so close to the release date -- my jigdo is hung .... |
| 16:39.17 | wad | Woohoo Etch! |
| 16:39.19 | bzed | Insolit: didn't you want to boot from sda? |
| 16:39.29 | raveneye | >:) |
| 16:39.37 | lindenle | jetscreamer: xserver-xephyr |
| 16:39.44 | Insolit | bzed: my main bootloader is actually in hda |
| 16:39.48 | Insolit | (ATA) |
| 16:39.53 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:39.58 | bzed | Insolit: uh? |
| 16:40.06 | bzed | Insolit: I though your root is on the sata disk? |
| 16:40.06 | militant | hark, they aren't. not in rhythmbox either, it seems. some codec deb i'm missing? |
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| 16:40.16 | Insolit | but root is in SATA |
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| 16:40.22 | SDBolts21n56 | i am using putty on windows. how do i run X11? |
| 16:40.24 | bzed | Insolit: boot from sata then and install grub on it |
| 16:40.27 | SerajewelKS | militant: can you play anything else? |
| 16:40.36 | SerajewelKS | SDBolts21n56: X |
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| 16:40.47 | jetscreamer | you guys... i lub j00s |
| 16:40.52 | Insolit | bzed: but shouldn't it be possible to have a bootloader in one drive and boot the other drive? |
| 16:40.55 | MattCampbell | I asked earlier about running the Debian installer from a non-Debian rescue environment. Here's a little more about my situation. I'm working on a server hosted by ServerBeach.com which is currently running CentOS 4, because that was the only option they provided for that hardware. I want to install Etch on it. |
| 16:40.59 | militant | SerajewelKS, i haven't tried, it's a fresh install and nothing is available to test playing yet |
| 16:41.07 | c5jr | Insolit, it should be and probably is. |
| 16:41.11 | SerajewelKS | militant: then it's likely that nothing is going to play |
| 16:41.14 | Insolit | c5jr: all cables are inside |
| 16:41.16 | bzed | Insolit: repair your device map then |
| 16:41.19 | c5jr | I think you have to play with the configs to do so, though. |
| 16:41.19 | jetscreamer | !debtakeover |
| 16:41.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 16:41.21 | MattCampbell | ServerBeach has a feature called Rapid Rescue which apparently boots a rescue CD of some kind on that server and gives you ssh access to the rescue environment. I want to install Debian Etch that way. |
| 16:41.27 | jetscreamer | lol@devicemap |
| 16:41.34 | bzed | jetscreamer: why lol? |
| 16:41.34 | SerajewelKS | militant: we need to confirm that it's the lack of an mp3 codec that is the problem |
| 16:41.42 | SDBolts21n56 | SerajewelKS, i get "Server is already active for display 0" |
| 16:41.49 | hark | militant: maybe gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 |
| 16:41.50 | SerajewelKS | militant: for all we know, there is no support for your sound card, or it's muted, etc |
| 16:41.55 | SerajewelKS | hark: not yet |
| 16:42.02 | SerajewelKS | SDBolts21n56: then X is running |
| 16:42.03 | militant | SerajewelKS, it *plays* but it's garbled. |
| 16:42.13 | hark | hah |
| 16:42.17 | Insolit | bzed: now booting from SATA bootloader |
| 16:42.22 | Insolit | hangs... |
| 16:42.22 | wad | Do I need to do anything with my etch box, now that etch is released? I just did "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". |
| 16:42.33 | jetscreamer | bzed: didn't help me. i worked on this (alone mind you because all i got was ignored or told 'you did it' or nobody knew) for 2 or 3 weeks and tried quite a few things |
| 16:42.35 | SerajewelKS | militant: aptitude install madplay |
| 16:42.42 | SerajewelKS | militant: then try playing the file with madplay from a shell |
| 16:42.47 | jetscreamer | back around 2.6.13 or .15 |
| 16:42.50 | bzed | Insolit: you need to fix your device map before installing it on the sata disk |
| 16:42.56 | jetscreamer | when udev came |
| 16:43.06 | SerajewelKS | hark: i don't have gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 installed, and i can play them fine |
| 16:43.09 | c5jr | 2.6.13 |
| 16:43.12 | c5jr | is when udev came |
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| 16:43.18 | jetscreamer | wad: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:43.27 | bzed | udev changed in 15 as far as I remember |
| 16:43.41 | militant | SerajewelKS, i don't realy wanna install yet another media player just to test... mplayer, rhythmbox, vlc, and totem all fail. |
| 16:43.44 | c5jr | really? |
| 16:43.53 | SerajewelKS | militant: madplay is a cli player |
| 16:44.01 | wad | jetscreamer, Okay. Is there supposed to be a section in my /etc/apt/sources.list file for security stuff? There is something in there, but it's comment out. |
| 16:44.05 | SerajewelKS | militant: and it uses its own decoders iirc |
| 16:44.05 | jetscreamer | iirc, udev was around, but then something happened/changed |
| 16:44.07 | hark | SerajewelKS: yeah, just noticed |
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| 16:44.09 | jetscreamer | yes was there is |
| 16:44.12 | bzed | c5jr: no, I mean tyou needed a new udev version when 15 came out |
| 16:44.14 | Insolit | bzed: first time it hangs, then i reboot, and it works |
| 16:44.18 | SerajewelKS | militant: if it fails too then the file is damaged |
| 16:44.28 | SerajewelKS | militant: or your sound card support is whack |
| 16:44.30 | c5jr | aah |
| 16:44.31 | Insolit | maybe this BIOS is bugged |
| 16:44.34 | c5jr | gotcha bzed |
| 16:44.37 | MattCampbell | Has anyone installed Debian Etch on a server hosted by ServerBeach.com using ServerBeach's Rapid Rescue feature? |
| 16:44.39 | bzed | Insolit: do you get into grub at all? |
| 16:44.39 | jetscreamer | wad: #deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 16:44.47 | Insolit | bzed: that i always do |
| 16:44.49 | militant | SerajewelKS, ok, it fails. |
| 16:44.51 | raveneye | gonna f. up my system bad now... cya'll round x-mas >:) |
| 16:44.53 | bzed | Insolit: get a grub shell then |
| 16:44.54 | putridp | I'm getting the following error from apt-get on a fresh install of etch: "E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libp/libpath-class-perl/libpath-class-perl_0.15-1_all.deb: Size mismatch". Any ideas why? |
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| 16:45.01 | militant | and my sound card worked fine in sarge. |
| 16:45.02 | Insolit | bzed: the hang happens when booting |
| 16:45.02 | SerajewelKS | militant: as in garbage? |
| 16:45.07 | Insolit | but now it worked well |
| 16:45.09 | bzed | Insolit: and have a look what grub thinks which devices are areound |
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| 16:45.15 | jetscreamer | wad: unless they fixed the symlink on the website, you want it to say etch, not stable |
| 16:45.18 | Insolit | bzed: i saw that |
| 16:45.23 | militant | SerajewelKS, yeah, garbage coming out of it, an occasional recognizable note |
| 16:45.24 | wad | ok |
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| 16:45.40 | apk | If I change my sources.list from etch (last dist-upgrade'ed last week) to lenny and dist-upgrade, am I likely to have a lot of broken things? |
| 16:45.46 | SerajewelKS | militant: okay then i'd start asking about support for your card (lspci etc) |
| 16:45.53 | militant | it's an sblive |
| 16:45.53 | SerajewelKS | militant: i can't help there but at least now we know where to start looking |
| 16:46.03 | Insolit | bzed: i'm gonna do a diffferent thing now, i have the feeling i now know when this works correctly |
| 16:46.09 | jetscreamer | no apk not enough time yet for massive divergence.. but the longer you wait... |
| 16:46.32 | bzed | Insolit: are you on a sun fire? |
| 16:46.38 | Insolit | what? |
| 16:46.40 | putridp | What causes 'Size mismatch' errors from apt-get? |
| 16:46.51 | bzed | Insolit: is your machine a sun fire x4200 or something liek that? |
| 16:46.57 | jetscreamer | bad md5sums i guess |
| 16:46.57 | apk | jetscreamer: This is the first time I've not reinstalled after a new release - I wasn't sure if there is a flood of broken packages after a release or some such thing. |
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| 16:47.00 | Insolit | bzed: no |
| 16:47.05 | c5jr | i have upgraded to etch on a sun fire today, no hitches |
| 16:47.12 | Insolit | bzed: what should i put into device.map |
| 16:47.12 | bzed | Insolit: ah ok |
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| 16:47.15 | Insolit | what bios gets |
| 16:47.20 | Insolit | what grubs gets |
| 16:47.24 | Insolit | or what system gets? |
| 16:47.34 | bzed | Insolit: I'd guess just put sda as hd0 and hda as hd1 |
| 16:47.47 | Insolit | ok |
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| 16:47.51 | Insolit | rebooting |
| 16:47.54 | bzed | Insolit: as far as I remember you need to reinstall gub after changing the device map |
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| 16:48.03 | Insolit | if i reinstall |
| 16:48.07 | Insolit | it changes that |
| 16:48.11 | biopyte | hi. what was the name of that program that finds the optimal debian install server? |
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| 16:48.20 | SerajewelKS | !tell Insolit about enter |
| 16:48.23 | bzed | Insolit: there was a way to tell it which file to use |
| 16:48.32 | pickcoder | biopyte: apt-spy |
| 16:48.40 | bzed | Insolit: although guessing bios devices should work fin in grub normally |
| 16:48.42 | Insolit | sorry SerajewelKS |
| 16:48.44 | jetscreamer | Insolit: if you reinstall again, make the installer give you a -386 (486 now?) kernel |
| 16:48.56 | jetscreamer | apt-spy was broken for me in sid the other day |
| 16:49.01 | SerajewelKS | Insolit: np, just trying to help you help us help you... i think... O_o |
| 16:49.15 | biopyte | pickcoder: thank you |
| 16:49.21 | pickcoder | putridp: try another mirror |
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| 16:49.41 | SDBolts21n56 | if X is running, how do you stop it? |
| 16:49.44 | pickcoder | putridp: that one could be in the process of updating |
| 16:49.47 | Insolit | nice |
| 16:49.49 | pickcoder | or the file is corrupted |
| 16:49.54 | Insolit | now it worked immediatly |
| 16:49.55 | Insolit | :D |
| 16:50.00 | jetscreamer | Insolit: then you can install a better kernel, but have the 386 to boot with and actually function well |
| 16:50.05 | c5jr | awesome |
| 16:50.28 | Insolit | jetscreamer: i can't change the kernel, i'm customizing a knoppix distribution |
| 16:50.32 | jetscreamer | i've chrooted into one of those and had it work |
| 16:50.37 | jetscreamer | Insolit: #kanotix |
| 16:50.43 | jetscreamer | it works |
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| 16:50.53 | jetscreamer | !knoppix |
| 16:50.54 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:51.10 | putridp | pickcoder: Hmmm, I've tried one other with the same result. Thanks, though |
| 16:51.12 | jetscreamer | no his problem exists in debian also btw |
| 16:51.35 | pickcoder | putridp: if they all do that then you should file a bug report on it or try later |
| 16:51.50 | jetscreamer | btw now that etch is out imo there will be a lot more of this |
| 16:51.55 | CharminTheMoose | crap. why must all my hardware die when i upgrade to etch? |
| 16:51.56 | CharminTheMoose | sox: Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device |
| 16:52.34 | rdz | Insolit, could you sollve your problem? |
| 16:52.34 | jetscreamer | hey! just think of all the servers with >1 controller! |
| 16:52.38 | jetscreamer | wow bork city |
| 16:53.09 | Insolit | rdz: seems i did |
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| 16:53.21 | rdz | Insolit, was it related to mine? |
| 16:53.25 | putridp | pickcoder: I'm trying to install something from an unofficial repo, so it's probably my fault ;-) |
| 16:53.43 | Insolit | rdz: what was your problem? |
| 16:53.59 | rdz | Insolit, when booting i get: http://rafb.net/p/uqIT5E30.html |
| 16:54.00 | c5jr | Insolit, it is related. |
| 16:54.04 | c5jr | afaik |
| 16:54.05 | sixtymhz | in debian, where do you set the mouse sensitivity? |
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| 16:54.11 | sixtymhz | in debian, where do you set the mouse sensitivity? (touchpad) |
| 16:54.27 | sixtymhz | the mouse settings dont affect it in the admin options and all. |
| 16:54.31 | deego | I had both UDEV and HOTPLUG installed in sarge. They conflict in etch. Which should I remove? |
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| 16:54.46 | sixtymhz | deego: I would go with udev |
| 16:54.50 | SerajewelKS | deego: that depends on your kernel |
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| 16:55.08 | deego | SerajewelKS: I use the stock 2.6.8 kernel image |
| 16:55.12 | SerajewelKS | deego: if you are upgrading to 2.6.18 you want udev, and you need to *purge* hotplug |
| 16:55.17 | jerb | telnetd is turned off by default in sarge correct? |
| 16:55.28 | SerajewelKS | jerb: it's not installed by default i think |
| 16:55.30 | deego | thanks sixtymhz and SerajewelKS , i will use --purge |
| 16:55.33 | jerb | thanks |
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| 16:55.47 | Insolit | lol |
| 16:55.52 | SerajewelKS | jerb: but etch is out, why are you still using sarge? |
| 16:55.55 | Insolit | this is quite funny |
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| 16:56.01 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 16:56.01 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:56.06 | militant | wow gaim has my fonts set so small i can't even see, and nothing i chagne does anything |
| 16:56.07 | jerb | I am not, however a customer is |
| 16:56.26 | nvz | militant: you mean pidgin |
| 16:56.29 | jerb | dunno why customers do things some times, Like useing telnet for instance |
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| 16:56.32 | militant | nvz: sure |
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| 16:56.50 | SerajewelKS | militant: have you restarted X since upgrading? |
| 16:56.52 | nvz | militant: aol doesnt like us saying gaim :P |
| 16:57.02 | militant | SerajewelKS: upgrading what? |
| 16:57.11 | SerajewelKS | militant: sarge to etch |
| 16:57.16 | yanmorin | nvz, aol doesn't like us. |
| 16:57.28 | c5jr | aol wont let you call it gaim? |
| 16:57.30 | nvz | yanmorin: yeah well we don't like them either |
| 16:57.31 | Insolit | bzed: watch this. After halting the system, booting hanged. Rebooting and trying to boot (did it several times) hanged and hanged. Solution was... going to grub edit mode, list all partitions it got to SATA device, and then boot went ok |
| 16:57.31 | militant | i didn't upgrade. clean install on a separate disk, in case i didn't like etch or something was broken |
| 16:57.40 | wintix | i'm running debian etch with my own 2.6.20.3 kernel, xorg 7.1.1, nvidia 1.0.9631 (latest one for my geforce4) and beryl. yesterday i dist-upgraded from something (5 days or so) pre-etch to etch. everything worked well until i restarted the pc today. i tried to 'startx' but the x-server crashes and complains about no AIGLX loaded. removing all the beryl stuff and all the GLX stuff from the xorg.conf didn't help. if i try to ... |
| 16:57.46 | Insolit | nvz: not sure our problems are related |
| 16:57.47 | wintix | ... run X as root, everything is well. even beryl and all the GLX stuff. any ideas? i sort of hit a dead end. http://linuxdingsda.de/~wintix/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:57.48 | c5jr | how does gaim get away calling it gaim? |
| 16:57.55 | wintix | and i already tried to reinstall the nvidia driver. |
| 16:57.56 | nvz | c5jr: they trademarked AIM and started calling their IM service such ages ago |
| 16:58.08 | bzed | Insolit: that's pretty weird |
| 16:58.15 | nvz | Insolit: I wasn't aware we had problems |
| 16:58.19 | c5jr | yeah, i registered with aol in like 94 |
| 16:59.14 | Pobega | c5jr: They can't anymore, changed the name. |
| 16:59.14 | Insolit | sorry nvz it was to rdz |
| 16:59.14 | c5jr | damn, i was unaware |
| 16:59.15 | Pobega | c5jr: I think the new URL is http://pidgin.im |
| 16:59.15 | militant | well gonna restart everything anyway now that i did a few things |
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| 16:59.15 | Pobega | I wonder when this is going to hit the repositories? Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:59.19 | Insolit | rdz: not sure our problems are related, but i already had that problem indeed, and was something about having a bad entry in grub |
| 16:59.19 | c5jr | whoa that is recent |
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| 16:59.37 | c5jr | boo @ aol |
| 16:59.37 | wroub | hi |
| 16:59.43 | Pobega | Yeah, it's the other day. They kept it hidden from the world until now. |
| 16:59.45 | wroub | why my usb ports perform only at low speed? |
| 16:59.46 | SDBolts21n56 | How can I stop X from running, i have tried killall "X" but that just restart X |
| 16:59.51 | wroub | with my usb hard drive |
| 16:59.52 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.56 | pickcoder | rdz: your root filesystem is not being mounted as rw from fstab |
| 16:59.57 | nvz | c5jr: so gaim renamed the project pidgin and the library libpurple instead of libgaim.. so that they could continue open development without the whole shroud of secrecy |
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| 17:00.06 | wintix | SDBolts21n56: /etc/init.d/[kdm or xdm] stop |
| 17:00.09 | deego | (It is trying to install linux 2.6.8 18 as well..) |
| 17:00.12 | SerajewelKS | SDBolts21n56: or gdm |
| 17:00.16 | c5jr | makes sense for gaim to do so |
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| 17:00.25 | SDBolts21n56 | thanks. |
| 17:00.39 | hark | wintix: does it work with a dm? |
| 17:00.42 | pickcoder | rdz: did you swap root locations? |
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| 17:00.53 | wintix | hark: hm? |
| 17:01.00 | rdz | pickcoder, how can i checkt that? i played back my backup from a working system and now i have this. the exact same fstab-file woked before |
| 17:01.01 | hark | X |
| 17:01.15 | wintix | it works if you have kdm, xdm or gdm managing the X server, hark. |
| 17:01.20 | rdz | pickcoder, but i created the /dev/ directory as root from ubuntu live cd |
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| 17:01.33 | pickcoder | rdz: using what? |
| 17:01.38 | rdz | pickcoder, because it was missing in the backup |
| 17:01.41 | c5jr | i think its not necessarily swapping root locations, pickcoder, but new naming conventions due to new versions (grub, etc) making it look like a changed root location |
| 17:01.44 | hark | wintix: what does allowed_users say in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config ? |
| 17:01.55 | HardDisk_WP | a question: what's the default password for the admin user in package phpbb2?? |
| 17:01.55 | rdz | pickcoder, uhem... rsync -av |
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| 17:02.19 | rdz | pickcoder, you mean , how i created the /dev/directory? |
| 17:02.27 | pickcoder | rdz: yes |
| 17:02.28 | rdz | pickcoder, mkdir dev as root |
| 17:02.42 | rdz | pickcoder, as root on unbuntu live cd |
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| 17:03.31 | torrr | is there a channel for speaking about current hardware? |
| 17:03.31 | wintix | hark: allowed_users=console |
| 17:03.48 | pickcoder | rdz: did you run MAKEDEV? |
| 17:03.54 | rdz | Insolit, i don't use grub, but lilo. but what makes you think it has something todo with the bootloader? |
| 17:03.58 | rdz | pickcoder, no |
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| 17:04.19 | RvGaTe | congratulations on the etch release :) |
| 17:04.24 | rdz | pickcoder, shall i do that when running the livecd and being root? |
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| 17:04.38 | wad | This is too funny. Last night I put together a new Debian box at home, and installed Etch on it, from my install CD. Turns out that lenny is what was installed! |
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| 17:05.01 | CharminTheMoose | could someone here help me with a little annoying problem regarding OSS/ALSA? |
| 17:05.02 | wad | Now I've got to go back and do it again. |
| 17:05.06 | Insolit | rdz: you mentioned u did a backup and created /dev by hand? |
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| 17:05.11 | pickcoder | rdz: cd /dev/; MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:05.17 | pickcoder | then reboot |
| 17:05.22 | hark | wintix: oh, that's OK. anyting with grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 17:05.32 | pickcoder | provided you copied the MAKEDEV script |
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| 17:05.45 | pickcoder | which was in the original /dev/ |
| 17:05.58 | FuriousRage | hello, i need some help, i want to install IE 7 in my debian etch.. |
| 17:05.58 | rdz | pickcoder, i cannot boot into the system. so i must use a live cd. does that work as well, what oyu proposed? |
| 17:05.59 | pickcoder | yes |
| 17:06.00 | pickcoder | mount it as root |
| 17:06.05 | pickcoder | root fs |
| 17:06.07 | rdz | pickcoder, thank you very much |
| 17:06.13 | wintix | hark: one moment. |
| 17:06.13 | pickcoder | chroot to it |
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| 17:06.24 | pickcoder | gah.. I'm not doing well |
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| 17:06.31 | FelipeSouza | I'm using stable, and i'm getting this output from apt-get upgrade after a apt-get update broken my net down: http://rafb.net/p/dfbUu685.html , my sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/FWLDcE56.html. What's this? Thank's. |
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| 17:06.41 | rdz | pickcoder, what does 'chroot'ing mean? |
| 17:06.51 | c5jr | chroot is a command |
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| 17:06.57 | c5jr | change root |
| 17:07.14 | pickcoder | rdz: unmount the root partition from /mnt/<device> once you boot into the CD |
| 17:07.18 | rdz | but what it is for? i think, i didn't understand man chroot |
| 17:07.20 | wintix | hark: http://linuxdingsda.de/~wintix/output (i can't use pastebin without a browser.) |
| 17:07.21 | FelipeSouza | Linux debian 2.6.15 #2 Tue Mar 13 14:37:05 FNT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux, Debian Sarge |
| 17:07.23 | pickcoder | then remount it as r/w |
| 17:07.36 | pickcoder | chroot <path> |
| 17:07.43 | pickcoder | where <path> is the mounted path to your root partition |
| 17:07.47 | c5jr | chroot and you change the root (/) to wherever you want, just like you can set a chroot for an ftp server, etc, etc |
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| 17:07.56 | wintix | hark: and i tried reinstalling the driver. |
| 17:08.02 | FuriousRage | hello, i need some help, i want to install IE 7 in my debian etch.. how do i go about to do it? |
| 17:08.08 | FelipeSouza | How can i remove the files from apt-get update? Forcing it to update all. |
| 17:08.26 | SerajewelKS | FuriousRage: you might try wine |
| 17:08.28 | rdz | pickcoder, ah.... i think i understand... thank you very much for all that hints.. |
| 17:08.29 | cahoot | FuriousRage: you're 8 days late |
| 17:08.36 | rdz | i learned a lot again.. |
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| 17:08.46 | pickcoder | rdz: make sure you copy the MAKEDEV from the old /dev/ |
| 17:08.53 | hark | wintix: try with the nv driver for now (replace nvidia with nv in your xorg.conf) |
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| 17:09.04 | SerajewelKS | FuriousRage: but IE is not supported by debian, so you're probably going to have to ask elsewhere |
| 17:09.09 | FuriousRage | cahoot: 8 days late for what? ;> |
| 17:09.17 | rdz | pickcoder, MAKEDEV is afile or a command? |
| 17:09.24 | pickcoder | it's a file |
| 17:09.28 | pickcoder | executable script |
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| 17:09.38 | cusco | ie7 in debian? |
| 17:09.42 | cusco | o.O |
| 17:09.50 | cusco | is that using wine... or what? |
| 17:09.50 | rdz | pickcoder, where shall i find it? |
| 17:09.58 | c5jr | some people need ie |
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| 17:10.04 | pickcoder | I just told you |
| 17:10.11 | c5jr | in /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 17:10.12 | hark | that is |
| 17:10.13 | wintix | hark: one moment. |
| 17:10.14 | c5jr | that is the path |
| 17:10.18 | c5jr | :) |
| 17:10.52 | rdz | c5jr, argh.. i didn't backup the content of /dev, cause i thought all devices are created on boot. |
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| 17:11.17 | rdz | c5jr, does that mean, i can completele forget to restore my system? |
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| 17:11.35 | GenghisKhan | hello all, I have upgraded to edgy and the dhcp3-server for diskless boot doesn't work |
| 17:11.43 | c5jr | well, what do you have in a backup, rdz ? |
| 17:11.51 | wintix | hark: no luck. but there doesn't seem to be any real problem. |
| 17:12.02 | GenghisKhan | *sorry, I've upgraded to etch |
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| 17:12.41 | rdz | c5jr, everythin else but dev |
| 17:12.43 | wintix | hark: X comes up and after it blanks the screen it crashes after about 0.5 seconds. |
| 17:12.45 | pickcoder | rdz: just find a generic copy of the MAKEDEV script or look up the mknod commands for /dev/null and /dev/console |
| 17:13.00 | c5jr | mknod hehe |
| 17:13.03 | c5jr | torture |
| 17:13.07 | rdz | haha |
| 17:13.18 | rdz | pickcoder, i try the former... |
| 17:13.25 | c5jr | yah its possible |
| 17:13.27 | rdz | pickcoder, c5jr many thank so far |
| 17:13.33 | c5jr | sure |
| 17:13.34 | pickcoder | I found both in less than 10 seconds on Google |
| 17:13.34 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:14.27 | rdz | ok, i mounted the harddrive. now i make it to the root directory with chroot, right? then i do all the makedev stuff |
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| 17:15.00 | pickcoder | rdz: yes.. make sure it's mounted rw. then chroot <path to mounted partition> |
| 17:15.06 | wintix | hark: that's the output when i try to 'startx' with the nv driver. http://linuxdingsda.de/~wintix/output2 |
| 17:15.25 | pickcoder | hm.. |
| 17:15.31 | pickcoder | I wonder if the chroot will blow up |
| 17:15.35 | rdz | pickcoder, the MAKEDEV: is that dependent on some version? |
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| 17:15.43 | rdz | pickcoder, i am on debian sarge |
| 17:15.57 | pickcoder | rdz: not that I'm aware of |
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| 17:17.01 | hark | wintix: ok, do a dpkg-reconfigure console-data and select a keymap |
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| 17:17.19 | militant | hmmm no option to use esc to close gaim windows anymore. how lame. |
| 17:17.25 | hark | or wait.. |
| 17:17.45 | pickcoder | I'm sure there are small differences between them on various releases, but the main device nodes should be the same |
| 17:18.35 | abrotman | militant: ctrl-w |
| 17:18.42 | wintix | hark: Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server - it shouldn't hurt the x-server. but i reconfigured it and selected a keymap. still no luck. |
| 17:18.54 | wintix | hark: as root, again, everything works well |
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| 17:19.29 | solemnwarning | Has anyone here managed to get multi-headed X working on an nvidia card with the nvidia driver? |
| 17:19.41 | hark | yeah, noticed . and nothing else in grep EE or WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:19.42 | militant | i don't want to use ctrl-w. i'm so used to esc. ctrl-w is inconvenient when im's pop up in front of my fullscreen movies |
| 17:19.47 | wintix | !tell solemnwarning about anyone |
| 17:19.52 | wintix | !tell solemnwarning about ask |
| 17:19.54 | solemnwarning | I want to configure a second X server to run alongside my normal X using the tv-out |
| 17:19.55 | pickcoder | rdz: if you have problems with the chroot, you can still run it from the mounted directory |
| 17:20.12 | rdz | pickcoder, argh... i need to go..... |
| 17:20.20 | rdz | i'll continue tomorrow |
| 17:20.23 | SerajewelKS | militant: set yourself away and windows won't pop up when you get a message |
| 17:20.25 | rdz | pickcoder, thank you much |
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| 17:20.35 | solemnwarning | I tried it in sarge with backported X, but whenever I started one of the servers it crashed the machine |
| 17:20.52 | militant | SerajewelKS: they did on sarge with the gaim version included |
| 17:20.59 | SerajewelKS | militant: or write a patch... it's free software after all |
| 17:21.17 | wintix | or just tell gaim to not pop up windows in the preferences. |
| 17:21.20 | militant | besides, i get a lot of msg's from people i rarely want to speak with. jabbing esc is so ... FINAL. |
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| 17:21.21 | MrWup | hey |
| 17:21.39 | MrWup | in my computer folder i got a 14gb volume a 30 gigabyte volume and a local volume |
| 17:21.43 | MrWup | erm |
| 17:21.45 | MrWup | local disk |
| 17:21.47 | militant | SerajewelKS: i don't code, barely know any c, and i'm sorta lame :) |
| 17:21.53 | MrWup | any way i can free up some space by killing off the 30gb volume |
| 17:21.56 | MrWup | its a partition |
| 17:22.03 | wad | militant: So THAT's why you keep ignoring my IMs! |
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| 17:22.13 | wintix | :D |
| 17:22.26 | militant | wad: if you're a fat chick who is a good friend to have but frequently tries to lead things in directions they SHOULD NOT go... yeah :) |
| 17:22.29 | h00t | can somone tell me what is "relatively" fastest torrent client for debian 4.0 the default client is waaay too slow ... i know azureus is fast but it has huge memory footprint ... can you recommend anything else |
| 17:22.33 | wintix | hark: no, nothing else |
| 17:22.54 | wintix | hark: sorry, didn't notice your line above. |
| 17:22.54 | wad | rofl @ militant |
| 17:23.05 | Gathond | h00t: rtorrent works fine for me, console only tough |
| 17:23.24 | SerajewelKS | h00t: monotorrent is getting quite good |
| 17:23.29 | cusco | h00t: people like bittornado, I like the ncurses one |
| 17:23.32 | cusco | or used to |
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| 17:23.50 | militant | wad: srsly, there's this hefty mormon girl who is great for having a few beers and discussing religion/politics/whatever, but... ugh. same with a few others. |
| 17:24.08 | wad | lol @ "hefty" |
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| 17:24.21 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 17:24.21 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 17:24.46 | pickcoder | I so despise that factoid |
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| 17:24.54 | wad | Bwahahahaaa-hurk-*SNORT* @ "hefty" # Is this better? |
| 17:25.05 | pickcoder | lol is not AOL-ish |
| 17:25.10 | SerajewelKS | wad: quite a bit yeah... i actually chuckled a bit |
| 17:25.13 | pickcoder | AOL took on IRC behaviors |
| 17:25.17 | abrotman | pickcoder: it is now .. tough shit |
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| 17:25.26 | pickcoder | and IRC has since switched to alternatives |
| 17:25.26 | abrotman | pickcoder: it makes you look like the 12 year old girl that you are |
| 17:25.34 | wintix | heh |
| 17:25.35 | andrew___ | question: I try to play a sound file with the 'play' command and BASH spews ' sox: Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device ' what happened to my sound? |
| 17:25.39 | pickcoder | !flog abrotman |
| 17:25.40 | cusco | lol |
| 17:25.46 | abrotman | andrew___: snd_pcm_ss |
| 17:25.48 | abrotman | erm |
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| 17:25.50 | abrotman | andrew___: snd_pcm_oss |
| 17:26.12 | \amethyst | I know that |
| 17:26.15 | \amethyst | err |
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| 17:26.45 | andrew___ | abrotman: are you implying that i must load that driver? |
| 17:26.47 | hark | wintix: ah, ok. don't know then.. btw, do you have enough hard disk space in /tmp etc, |
| 17:26.53 | abrotman | andrew___: i am! |
| 17:27.06 | andrew___ | abrotman: hurrah! |
| 17:27.17 | freetos | what repository should i use to get libdvdcss with etch? |
| 17:27.31 | n3kl_ | Is there a program out there that can read email from a remote source into a file for parsing? |
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| 17:28.14 | wintix | hark: /dev/md0 74G 24G 49G 33% / - yes :) thanks for your help. i think i will try to build me a really nasty workaround, now. |
| 17:28.18 | pickcoder | n3kl_: POP3 isn't that difficult to implement with various scripting langs |
| 17:28.29 | solemnwarning | I just started my normal Xorg with -sharevts and -novtswitch, it started but the bottom of monitor 1 had a line at the bottom, like static on a TV, and there was a big line down the screen on monitor 1 |
| 17:28.32 | ryanakca | where can I get egroupware? http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/egroupware ... apt-cache search egroupware shows nothing |
| 17:28.33 | pickcoder | hell it's not that hard to write from scratch either.. |
| 17:28.45 | abrotman | andrew___: you might want to put that in /etc/modules |
| 17:29.00 | n3kl_ | ryanakca: is egroupware better than kolab? |
| 17:29.11 | MrWup | n3kl, egroupware is shit |
| 17:29.11 | RedShift | egroupware's nice |
| 17:29.17 | MrWup | i just tried it |
| 17:29.19 | abrotman | oh that's nice |
| 17:29.20 | c5jr | groupware is shit |
| 17:29.23 | MrWup | it took years to install properly |
| 17:29.27 | MrWup | and then its slow |
| 17:29.32 | MrWup | and it doesnt have much functionality |
| 17:29.32 | c5jr | any of it as far as ive seen or am concerned |
| 17:29.35 | yanmorin | ryanakca, egroupware is shown in apt-cache search |
| 17:29.35 | MrWup | its basically crap |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | for sarge .. it's a security package |
| 17:29.50 | n3kl_ | MrWup: have you messed with kolab? |
| 17:29.54 | MrWup | im trying to install scalix as a groupware solution |
| 17:30.02 | MrWup | looks nice but its so tough to get installed |
| 17:30.05 | wintix | !polls |
| 17:30.06 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:30.09 | MrWup | ive been trying to install groupware all day |
| 17:30.15 | ryanakca | yanmorin: kdepim-wizards - KDE server configuration wizards is the only line I get... |
| 17:30.17 | abrotman | MrWup: it sucks .. it's hard to get installed .. |
| 17:30.31 | MrWup | i looked at kolab, it looks shit. scalix wont install. zimbra says it requires 5 gigs of space |
| 17:30.34 | abrotman | MrWup: sorry .. that was sarcasm .. irony ,.. or something |
| 17:30.47 | h00t | can anyone tell me where can i actualy configure the default bittorrent client ... i don't see any "options" in the gui ... how do i config ports and stuff like that |
| 17:30.49 | n3kl_ | I have been using and enjoying kolab for a couple months now. |
| 17:30.52 | MrWup | the hours are draining away |
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| 17:31.12 | MrWup | n3kl, groupware? outlook integration? works with active directory? |
| 17:31.15 | ryanakca | MrWup: well, I've tried to get kolab working for the past two weeks, no success |
| 17:31.20 | pickcoder | MrWup: what are you trying to deploy for? dev, company comm, etc |
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| 17:31.22 | c5jr | zimbra was the best as of a year ago afaik |
| 17:31.29 | ryanakca | n3kl: some poeple in #kontact seem to think so |
| 17:31.33 | MrWup | pickcoder, a small poor company |
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| 17:31.36 | Shaezsche | hi |
| 17:31.39 | ryanakca | n3kl: it's either egroupware or opengroupware for me |
| 17:31.40 | n0de | hey |
| 17:31.45 | peesse | hi guys, is there a tool for linux (or wine compatible) to go from SWF to FLA ? |
| 17:31.46 | n3kl_ | MrWup: not AD, but there is an ourlook integration somethingerother |
| 17:31.56 | MrWup | pickcoder, i need it to work with web access and outlook connecting. be fully functioned impa server. it also needs to work with active directory |
| 17:31.59 | Shaezsche | do i need to enable special repos to get the w32 codecs? or are they in the default repos after a fresh install? |
| 17:32.02 | Shaezsche | of etch |
| 17:32.09 | c5jr | outlook connecting how, MrWup ? |
| 17:32.11 | abrotman | peesse: ask #web .. i assume that's flash to something |
| 17:32.13 | n0de | ive just install 4.0r0 and when i try to install webmin, it comes up with an error... |
| 17:32.15 | solemnwarning | Shaezsche: You need marillat |
| 17:32.17 | c5jr | like, mapi? |
| 17:32.20 | MrWup | c5jr, yeah |
| 17:32.24 | c5jr | mapi = the devil |
| 17:32.24 | apk | Shaezsche: see www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:32.28 | \amethyst | n0de: webmin is no longer in debian |
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| 17:32.35 | ryanakca | yanmorin: what do I add to sources.list so that I /can/ see it? |
| 17:32.40 | pickcoder | peesse: not that I know of. shockwave is a different format which I don't think can be converted |
| 17:32.46 | n0de | \amethyst: that will be why then.. whys that? |
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| 17:32.50 | c5jr | afaik youll have to pay a license fee for any of the 'open source' groupwares to have a mapi connection |
| 17:32.58 | wintix | !webmin |
| 17:32.58 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:33.05 | peesse | pickcoder : it is possible |
| 17:33.11 | \amethyst | n0de: the maintainer had too many problems keeping it secure and up-to-date, and asked that it be removed from the archive |
| 17:33.12 | c5jr | unless openconnector.org has made dramatic progress |
| 17:33.16 | n3kl_ | MrWup: does scalix work with AD? |
| 17:33.24 | jos | salut |
| 17:33.29 | pickcoder | peesse: http://packages.debian.org or apt-cache search shockwave |
| 17:33.29 | abrotman | peesse: ask #web |
| 17:33.32 | jos | oups .. |
| 17:33.43 | MrWup | n3kl, i really have no idea. the stupid thing wont install properly on debian |
| 17:33.46 | n0de | \amethyst: fair enough |
| 17:33.52 | MrWup | all sorts of damned errors at every single stage |
| 17:34.00 | peesse | abrotman : ok |
| 17:34.02 | Shaezsche | do i need additional repos to play other formats? |
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| 17:34.10 | Shaezsche | gst bad, ugly sets, etc |
| 17:34.10 | pickcoder | MrWup: look at openwebmail |
| 17:34.15 | HardDisk_WP | is the fusion of Beryl and Compiz already in Etch repositories? |
| 17:34.16 | n3kl_ | MrWup: perhaps its because debian is slow to develop |
| 17:34.17 | blaamann_home | (Is it only me or) are the fonts in Iceweasel bad looking ? |
| 17:34.25 | yanmorin | ryanakca, I don't know how to get the repo option from apt-cache search... |
| 17:34.30 | n0de | does anyone know how old 4.0r0 is? |
| 17:34.36 | pickcoder | I'm not sure about AD or Outlook but it supports a few things more than squirrelmail does |
| 17:34.43 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: etch has been released .. it won't get new software |
| 17:34.44 | AndyGee | Bye |
| 17:34.58 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, not? |
| 17:34.59 | pickcoder | and it acutally works with most imap servers and clients |
| 17:35.01 | pickcoder | heh |
| 17:35.04 | c5jr | i tried to do groupware one time, kinda, suriyan.org |
| 17:35.08 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: not what? |
| 17:35.13 | MrWup | pickcoder, thats not really what i want |
| 17:35.15 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: etch has been released .. it won't get new software |
| 17:35.16 | c5jr | i guess that was 'groupware' |
| 17:35.29 | yanmorin | ryanakca, it's in main |
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| 17:35.44 | n3kl_ | MrWup: they claim enterprose-class though. Makes scalix sound tough... |
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| 17:35.57 | n3kl_ | MrWup: mobile device management sounds nice too |
| 17:35.58 | ryanakca | yanmorin: kk... would it by chance be because it hasn't been built for etch or something of the sort? |
| 17:36.03 | yanmorin | ryanakca, main unstable ? |
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| 17:36.15 | MrWup | n3kl, try installing it. ive wasted all day and still it is filled with errors |
| 17:36.17 | busfahrer | Excuse me, when doing apt-get dist-upgrade, is it possible to view, for each package, which repository the upgrade is coming from? |
| 17:36.19 | Thms_ | why opera is not in debian ? |
| 17:36.26 | ryanakca | yanmorin: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/egroupware claims it's in main stable... |
| 17:36.30 | apk | busfahrer: apt-get dist-upgrade -s |
| 17:36.33 | abrotman | Thms_: it's not free |
| 17:36.34 | Shaezsche | do i need more than the first cd image to install etch? i noticed there is 21 discs |
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| 17:36.35 | Shaezsche | wtf |
| 17:36.41 | babilen | hi there.... |
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| 17:36.43 | Thms_ | abrotman: it's free :o |
| 17:36.49 | abrotman | Thms_: it's not Free |
| 17:36.52 | xand | Shaezsche: use netinstall one |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | Thms_: i believe the license also restricts redistribution or some crap |
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| 17:37.08 | xand | Thms_: not free enough... and it's pants |
| 17:37.08 | abrotman | Thms_: there's a repository for opera |
| 17:37.15 | abrotman | FF sucks! |
| 17:37.18 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:37.20 | xand | opera provide a .deb don't they |
| 17:37.21 | babilen | i am trying to install debian (etch) on a new hp dc5750 we just obtained, but the installer hangs after trying to detect the disks.. |
| 17:37.22 | pickcoder | MrWup; did you try opengroupware? |
| 17:37.24 | Thms_ | yes it sucks ! |
| 17:37.25 | abrotman | xand: more than one |
| 17:37.25 | solemnwarning | Konqueror > * |
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| 17:37.29 | xand | well then |
| 17:37.32 | blaamann | xand: They do |
| 17:37.36 | xand | solemnwarning: ew! |
| 17:37.39 | babilen | i think this issue is related to sata, but am not sure on how to proceed now.. |
| 17:37.42 | xand | helo: how cute! |
| 17:37.49 | yanmorin | ryanakca, http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/egroupware is not updated.. "Oldstable Security Updates 1.0.0.007-2.dfsg-2sarge4" |
| 17:37.54 | Shaezsche | xand can i install kde from netinstal? i dont want gnome |
| 17:38.00 | xand | Shaezsche: yes |
| 17:38.02 | abrotman | Shaezsche: of course |
| 17:38.04 | Shaezsche | sweeet |
| 17:38.11 | ryanakca | yanmorin: oh... ok. So. I get it by? |
| 17:38.14 | xand | man i fell asleep for several hours |
| 17:38.17 | xand | i hate when that happens |
| 17:38.19 | babilen | tried several different BIOS settings for SATA.. can someone give me some hints on how to proceed? |
| 17:38.19 | Shaezsche | last time i used the netinstall, it installed gnome by default, didnt ask about kde anywhere |
| 17:38.24 | xand | it makes me feel crap |
| 17:38.45 | yanmorin | ryanakca, you put a line with "unstable" and main or "oldstable" and main |
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| 17:39.00 | poideac | xand, Get a cuppa of coca. double shot |
| 17:39.06 | poideac | xand, ;) |
| 17:39.12 | apk | Shaezsche: When you get the tasksel box, don't tell it to install the GUI, and install KDE yourself afterward. |
| 17:39.28 | Shaezsche | apk, umm im not good without a gui |
| 17:39.38 | Shaezsche | what is the apt get command? |
| 17:39.44 | apk | Shaezsche: apt-get |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | aptitude install kde kdm x-window-system |
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| 17:39.56 | Shaezsche | thx abrotman |
| 17:40.02 | pickcoder | babilen: get the lspci device info and paste it into a pastebin |
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| 17:40.14 | c5jr | what bios version babilen? |
| 17:40.18 | pickcoder | babilen: I.E. try booting with a live CD |
| 17:40.20 | dj_noisy | hi guey i have one question |
| 17:40.27 | Shaezsche | anyone know why debian based distros would give me 50% glxfears framerate that i get when using the latest mandriva? |
| 17:40.30 | Shaezsche | i cannot figure it out |
| 17:40.35 | militant | how do i go about trying different drivers for this sblive card? |
| 17:40.39 | Shaezsche | i have an 915gm intel graphics card |
| 17:40.41 | babilen | pickcoder: i am doing a netinstall via tftp |
| 17:40.42 | Shaezsche | using i810 driver |
| 17:40.46 | wintix | !tell dj_noisy about ask |
| 17:41.03 | Shaezsche | been playing with xorg.conf fo rmonths |
| 17:41.04 | abrotman | Shaezsche: fix one problem at a time |
| 17:41.13 | dj_noisy | Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 43e1 what is the meanin of that |
| 17:41.14 | dj_noisy | ? |
| 17:41.14 | yanmorin | dj_noisy, I have more questions than you. |
| 17:41.17 | pickcoder | babilen: does that imply that you don't have a CD-ROM? |
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| 17:41.41 | abrotman | dj_noisy: it's full duplex instead of half |
| 17:42.05 | wintix | dj_noisy: that's a good thing. |
| 17:42.07 | babilen | pickcoder: no it does not, i just do not see the point in wasting one cd-r |
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| 17:42.19 | babilen | pickcoder: http://rafb.net/p/0JHNxI70.html is the output of lspci |
| 17:42.19 | Fadoksi | Shaezsche: do you have DRI enabled? |
| 17:42.38 | Shaezsche | yes of course |
| 17:42.53 | dj_noisy | i try to change my mac adress of eth0 and after i enter #ifconfig eth0 up then writes setting full duplex and i do not have internet why is my question |
| 17:43.18 | babilen | c5jr: do you think it is related to the bios version of the machine? any experiences with this particular box? |
| 17:43.26 | busfahrer | apk: cheers |
| 17:43.37 | XPSlammer | dj_noisy: is punctuation illegal in your country? |
| 17:43.44 | c5jr | nah just looking at some things, and saw that there was a change in BIOS that affected linux and SATA |
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| 17:43.49 | dj_noisy | yes |
| 17:43.51 | dj_noisy | :P |
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| 17:44.01 | c5jr | babilen, http://mccune.ece.cmu.edu/wordpress/?p=173 |
| 17:44.11 | pickcoder | babilen: is that a "RAID" controller? |
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| 17:44.29 | n3kl_ | Anyone know if it is possible to hook up a MIDI controller in linux to use virutal synths? |
| 17:44.29 | yanmorin | XPSlammer, he added a "?" earlier |
| 17:44.38 | pickcoder | ah.. BIOS problem |
| 17:44.46 | babilen | c5jr: ok, thnxs, i#ll check on that. hang on... |
| 17:44.54 | dj_noisy | so can someone tell me what is the problem ? |
| 17:44.55 | c5jr | sure thing |
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| 17:45.43 | wintix | dj_noisy: have a look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:46.19 | ryanakca | yanmorin: won't doing that make my install half etch half unstable? |
| 17:46.19 | dj_noisy | to chage the adres from taher ? |
| 17:46.19 | dj_noisy | there* |
| 17:46.47 | babilen | c5jr: nope it is v2.10 |
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| 17:46.48 | c5jr | boo |
| 17:46.48 | Yasuo | namd/hi |
| 17:47.03 | babilen | pickcoder: i think it is.. |
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| 17:47.31 | c5jr | could be new hardware sold under the same name, i always love that |
| 17:47.42 | c5jr | so many Unknown devices on that lspci |
| 17:47.43 | poideac | dj_noisy, you can't change your mac address. |
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| 17:48.24 | dj_noisy | hardwarly i can't |
| 17:48.24 | babilen | c5jr: mark that this is output produced of an (identical) box running ubuntu |
| 17:48.26 | dj_noisy | i know that |
| 17:48.39 | dj_noisy | but i can change it by software |
| 17:48.43 | mfrisch | I have a reaccuring problem with asterisk...I have tried to use webui controls for it but the webui always says asterisk is not started or could not start asterisk at all. I have tried freepbx and now trying the packaged destar. |
| 17:48.59 | \amethyst | dj_noisy: man interfaces, search for hwaddress |
| 17:49.02 | Yasuo | hi, whats the preffered methos to install etch to a rootserver but leave the current install untouched? debootstrap? |
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| 17:49.15 | mfrisch | Yasuo: yes |
| 17:49.26 | ryanakca | I'm looking to install egroupware on debian etch. However, egroupware packages are only available in unstable and oldstable. How do I install it? |
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| 17:49.51 | pickcoder | ryanakca: check backports.org |
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| 17:50.01 | wintix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.06 | pickcoder | or that |
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| 17:51.19 | pickcoder | looks like the mirrors are getting a workout today |
| 17:51.30 | c5jr | http://www.nabble.com/Problems-booting-from-SATA-in-a-HP-DC5750-(ATI-SB600--)-t3508048.html possibly, babilen |
| 17:51.37 | h00t | does anyone know where can i configure "gnome-torrent" i don't see any "options" in gui ... where do i configure ports and stuff |
| 17:51.38 | Yasuo | # debootstrap etch /neu/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 17:51.38 | Yasuo | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 17:51.38 | Yasuo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.50 | mfrisch | pickcoder: was etch released or just the prempted strike? |
| 17:52.02 | babilen | c5jr: yes, i already tried that.. |
| 17:52.10 | babilen | thats why i came here... |
| 17:52.16 | c5jr | no love? boo |
| 17:52.26 | pickcoder | mfrisch: the latest stable is 4.0 according to debian.org and the /topic |
| 17:52.28 | babilen | am a bit lost on what to try next, or how to troubleshoot the installer.. |
| 17:52.38 | micmik | hey, I need to do a networkless install and only have a CD burder. I don't need all 21 CD's do I? Will the first 2 do the job? |
| 17:52.39 | mfrisch | Yasuo: what are you using debootstrap from were. |
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| 17:52.54 | mfrisch | pickcoder: didn't notice cool. :-) |
| 17:53.05 | wintix | micmik: get a netinstall cd image |
| 17:53.09 | BlueParrot | is there any particular reason to not have both gnome and xfce installed ? |
| 17:53.17 | wintix | micmik: oh. networkless. |
| 17:53.23 | BlueParrot | i.e are there things likely to break if I try to use both ? |
| 17:53.24 | micmik | yah :/ |
| 17:53.31 | Coweater | BlueParrot: no |
| 17:53.37 | Yasuo | mfrisch, im using debootstrap from a debian sarge server |
| 17:53.40 | pickcoder | micmik: you don't need the network to install a base system from a netinstall CD |
| 17:53.43 | BlueParrot | good good |
| 17:53.48 | pickcoder | the CD is the base install |
| 17:53.49 | mfrisch | pickcoder: I guess freenode is not the real irc for debian anymore it would get swamped these times |
| 17:54.10 | micmik | I'm looking to install an X server as well though |
| 17:54.19 | mfrisch | Yasuo: probally to old to have etches scripts. |
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| 17:54.39 | Yasuo | mfrisch, tahts why i asked where to get em :) |
| 17:55.03 | mfrisch | Yasuo: I am slow today be nice ;-) backport it? |
| 17:55.03 | c5jr | babilen, this computer works? |
| 17:55.07 | c5jr | you said it is new |
| 17:55.48 | Yasuo | mfrisch, aint there a regular way to get this script but using backports? |
| 17:55.51 | babilen | c5jr: yes it does, we had ubuntu installed on two of the new machines, and i am trying to switch the entire line to debian now.. |
| 17:56.06 | c5jr | ok, so its not bad hardware |
| 17:56.13 | babilen | c5jr: i do not think so.. |
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| 17:56.26 | mfrisch | Yasuo: but not using backports? no not with out compile Don't DO |
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| 17:56.55 | pickcoder | babilen: how old is the installer you're using |
| 17:56.58 | babilen | c5jr: the installer hangs when it is trying to load the kernel modules after disk/hw detection... |
| 17:57.14 | c5jr | yeah... before you have any kind of shell, right? |
| 17:57.36 | babilen | pickcoder: i've just downloaded the newest installer .... i am doing a netinstall via tftp but that should not make a difference at all.. |
| 17:57.47 | Scurz | plop ! |
| 17:57.51 | blaamann | With regard to the guy asking about Opera. Opera does not work in Etch. |
| 17:58.15 | RvGaTe | How can i sort the result of "du" on filesize |
| 17:58.33 | pickcoder | babilen: each installer release has major changes and the date of the release could affect the hardware detection |
| 17:58.37 | babilen | c5jr: no i can get to a shell.. |
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| 17:58.48 | CharminTheMoose | my upgrade to debian etch wasn't as painful i thought it'd be |
| 17:58.49 | pickcoder | but if you have the last release and your controller is supported by the kernel then it should work |
| 17:58.58 | cahoot | blaamann: daily builds do |
| 17:59.16 | babilen | RvGaTe: sort takes a column switch try "man sort" an sort by the correct column |
| 17:59.17 | c5jr | the question is, is it the same controller? |
| 17:59.37 | keith80403 | Where are MD5SUMS for the Etch iso's (e.g. debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso?) I have a successful Jigdo download of same and want to verify the MD5SUM. |
| 18:00.04 | zinx_ | !ops BilGiSayaR!n=___happy@88.242.195.91 <- FPV spammer (onjoin) |
| 18:00.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx_ complains about: BilGiSayaR!n=___happy@88.242.195.91 <- FPV spammer (onjoin) |
| 18:00.10 | babilen | question is: is the controller supported.... where can i check that? |
| 18:00.14 | c5jr | which ubuntu worked on this computer, babilen? |
| 18:00.16 | blaamann | cahoot: Aha, thanks. I see the desktop team has a fix :-) |
| 18:00.51 | pickcoder | babilen: the ATI controllers are sparse |
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| 18:01.07 | nachox | i have a question about debootstrap and vservers, i'm using a debian 3.1 vserver-able and i need to create an etch vserver, do i need to install sarge and then update or can i configure debootstrap to install etch? |
| 18:01.07 | babilen | i just tried lspci on the debian machine... controller is a ATI SB600, and it is correclty recognised, unlike the ubuntu crapola output |
| 18:01.08 | pickcoder | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 18:01.33 | RvGaTe | babilen, thx |
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| 18:01.43 | babilen | RvGaTe: you are welcome.. |
| 18:01.44 | c5jr | so it is that controller... hmmm |
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| 18:01.48 | c5jr | what could it be? |
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| 18:01.59 | pickcoder | babilen: what mode is the controller set to |
| 18:02.05 | RichiH | zinx: thaks |
| 18:02.12 | zinx_ | RichiH: np |
| 18:02.26 | babilen | i have it set to "Native IDE emulation" as suggested in the posting mentioned earlier by c5jr |
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| 18:02.28 | c5jr | i think babilen said he tried lots of different bios settings, pickcoder |
| 18:02.41 | pickcoder | AHCI should work |
| 18:02.48 | c5jr | yeah, it should. |
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| 18:03.09 | mikapell | congratulations with the release! |
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| 18:04.38 | pickcoder | babilen: it would be nice to see which driver the installer is using and the output of modprobe when the installer tries to load it |
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| 18:05.39 | nachox | i guess i had to be registered with nickserv to talk here :( |
| 18:05.42 | c5jr | it would also be nice to see what driver the ubuntu system is using |
| 18:05.50 | babilen | pickcoder: yes, that would be nice... how can i find out which module the installer is trying to load? |
| 18:06.05 | babilen | oh yes, i am doing an AMD64 install, if that makes any difference.. |
| 18:06.14 | babilen | haven#t tried with x86 yet... |
| 18:06.25 | pickcoder | yes it does |
| 18:06.38 | pickcoder | babilen: do you really need a 64-bit kernel? |
| 18:06.47 | pickcoder | math computations and such? |
| 18:07.43 | mfrisch | Yea Yea AMD64 has been an officially supported Debian architecture since the release of Debian 4.0 (etch). |
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| 18:07.57 | babilen | not neccessaraly, dunno what it will be used for in the end, but i assume that most users will not run anything too fancy on it.. |
| 18:08.21 | pickcoder | I think the K7 SMP will do just fine for an X2 |
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| 18:08.36 | babilen | s/neccessaraly/necessarily |
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| 18:08.50 | pickcoder | for the sake of testing, I would try the 32-bit release first |
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| 18:08.54 | babilen | ok, i#ll try x86 then.. |
| 18:08.57 | babilen | hang on.. |
| 18:09.11 | pickcoder | if it fails too then it's a bug in the driver or something up with the controller |
| 18:09.44 | c5jr | i dont know, because you said it worked with an ubuntu install |
| 18:09.56 | c5jr | so unless something got borked between that install and the present... |
| 18:10.20 | c5jr | which ubuntu install did you use? 64 or 32 bit? |
| 18:10.28 | pickcoder | the AHCI driver had a bug for the SB600 |
| 18:10.34 | Yasuo | where do i get a new /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch? |
| 18:10.37 | pickcoder | but I don't know which release of the kernel it was fixed in |
| 18:10.49 | mfrisch | Yasuo: I told you already |
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| 18:12.19 | Yasuo | mfrisch, then tell me where exaclty to get? i was told not to include sources to my sources.list that does not belong to my distri |
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| 18:12.33 | Yasuo | they would mess up my system |
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| 18:13.03 | mfrisch | Yasuo: it's the price you pay to have something not even writen yet? |
| 18:13.33 | babilen | pickcoder: nope no difference.. :-( |
| 18:13.35 | Yasuo | mfrisch, sorry i dont understand you |
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| 18:14.11 | pickcoder | babilen: can you switch to the debug console and run dmesg |
| 18:14.14 | babilen | i will try to gather more information... thnxs for the help.. if some hints are popping into your minds, just let me know.. |
| 18:14.15 | mfrisch | Yasuo: you are using sarge. except for security updates it does not even no what etch is |
| 18:14.20 | babilen | yes, hang on.. |
| 18:14.23 | Yasuo | i dont know if tehre are even backports for amd64 on sarge |
| 18:14.43 | pickcoder | it should state which drivers were loaded |
| 18:14.45 | mfrisch | Yasuo: you aren't using sarge then.. |
| 18:14.51 | pickcoder | with outoput |
| 18:14.53 | pickcoder | output |
| 18:15.43 | MrWup | WUP!!!! |
| 18:15.44 | Yasuo | mfrisch, i know adm64 was not full supported by sarge, so i dont wanna mess is up bny installing packages |
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| 18:16.15 | ryanakca | how do I make a mini repo to install the 20 groupware packages and their deps? |
| 18:16.28 | mfrisch | Yasuo: you used a non released installer and from what it sounds a old one. There have been a lot of changes and some things don't work. Did you do a i686 install or a amd-64? |
| 18:16.31 | ryanakca | dpkg -i groupware*deb gives me a pile of errors |
| 18:16.57 | ryanakca | dpkg: hahaha, aren't you are smart bot |
| 18:16.58 | dpkg | ryanakca: what are you talking about? |
| 18:17.08 | Yasuo | mfrisch, its a pre-installed amd64 sarge root system |
| 18:17.22 | mfrisch | Yasuo: aaah no such thing! |
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| 18:17.51 | Yasuo | the sources list just has 2 entrys: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sarge main contrib non-free and the security updates |
| 18:18.03 | pickcoder | ryanakcan: there is a new maintainers guide |
| 18:18.09 | babilen | pickcoder: ok, i gave false information. the installer no longer hangs but presents a list of modules because the disk drive was not recognised.. |
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| 18:18.28 | mfrisch | Yasuo: thats so old. You need to reinstall. |
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| 18:18.42 | mfrisch | Yasuo: and that too was unoffical |
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| 18:18.49 | babilen | pickcoder: shall i try ahci? |
| 18:19.04 | h3sp4wn | You should be able to upgrade from the unofficial sarge amd64 to etch |
| 18:19.05 | c5jr | sure |
| 18:19.09 | teclo | Say, can debmirror mirror security.debian.org ? I can't get it to do that .... |
| 18:19.52 | pickcoder | babilen: yes.. give it a try |
| 18:19.58 | Yasuo | mfrisch, what do you mean by "reinstall"? i have no physical access and have to use debootstrap imho? |
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| 18:20.03 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn: I though they took that down when amd-64 went to the mirrors? |
| 18:20.04 | pickcoder | babilen: make sure your controller is in ahci mode |
| 18:20.29 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: There is supposed to be an upgrade path to etch from that |
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| 18:20.34 | pickcoder | I don't think that legacy IDE will work |
| 18:20.34 | dkr | do I need to restart daemons that use libc after a libc update? |
| 18:20.52 | jahshua | crap |
| 18:20.59 | jahshua | i have lost the sound on my computer. |
| 18:21.04 | jahshua | :((( |
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| 18:21.14 | XPSlammer | jahshua: did you look behind the fridge? |
| 18:21.16 | h3sp4wn | Yasuo: kernel is the only hard bit there is no way for you to get the new kernel loaded |
| 18:21.20 | babilen | seems like there is a patch for this controller in 2.6.19-rc6, and ahci does not work |
| 18:21.30 | mfrisch | Yasuo: I am supprised the mirror works. You can update the whole system and save some heartache. I would just reinstall the new etch with the new installer if it doesn't work right |
| 18:21.44 | jahshua | anyone here using sid experiencing issues with no sound? |
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| 18:22.20 | pickcoder | ahci does not work with your controller in ahci, right now? |
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| 18:22.26 | goon | could anyone tell me how to start a e2fsck -D /dev/hda1 when my computer reboot (without having keyboard access to it)? |
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| 18:23.03 | fantomas | is dpkg alive? |
| 18:23.14 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 18:23.14 | dpkg | privet |
| 18:23.19 | militant | ok, new info. mp3's are garbled. avi audio is too. youtube videos are, but less so. ideas? |
| 18:23.25 | fantomas | !2006 key |
| 18:23.25 | dpkg | 2006 key is, like, apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 18:23.36 | abraxas | is it me or does every gcc compiled application now throw the following error 6 times in valgrind: "Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)" ? i even see this in a simple int main() { return 0; } |
| 18:23.41 | fantomas | how to ask him about etch stable key? |
| 18:23.48 | mfrisch | militant: is it a old card? |
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| 18:24.02 | zinx | abraxas: blame glibc |
| 18:24.13 | militant | mfrisch: it's sorta old yeah. an old es1371 if i remember correctly. |
| 18:24.18 | skiptest | Are there any mac68k bootdisks in Etch? |
| 18:24.18 | abraxas | zinx: it started today, with my upgrade to the new stable |
| 18:24.29 | zinx | abraxas: blame glibc or valgrind? :P |
| 18:24.32 | c5jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.38 | mfrisch | militant: got a older kernel still on the box? |
| 18:24.41 | abraxas | zinx: i do blame glibc, but this version should not be in stable i guess? |
| 18:24.49 | militant | mfrisch: yeah actually. shall i try booting that? |
| 18:24.52 | zinx | abraxas: it seems to not cause problems. |
| 18:24.57 | mfrisch | militant: its a start. |
| 18:24.59 | militant | ok |
| 18:25.03 | militant | will do, here in a few |
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| 18:25.40 | abraxas | zinx: the weird thing is, this didn't happen on a server i run which has been running etch for quite a while now |
| 18:25.45 | fantomas | !etch key |
| 18:25.46 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 18:25.52 | fantomas | blin |
| 18:26.06 | fantomas | I mean 'hell' |
| 18:26.19 | Vasistha | fantomas: did you not see dpkg's response? Try /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 18:26.50 | fantomas | Vasistha: looks like my IRC settings somehow changed - dpkg doesn't answer in private chat |
| 18:27.06 | Vasistha | fantomas: did you /ignore dpkg ? |
| 18:27.26 | zinx | abraxas: *shrug* |
| 18:27.34 | thp | i just saw that in the list of my submitted bugs, one submission is duplicate (possibly some problem with sending the e-mail twice) is the correct way to handle this a "merge" command to the bts server? |
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| 18:27.52 | Vasistha | fantomas: because dpkg has replied to at least two of your queries |
| 18:27.54 | Yasuo | mfrisch, well my "old" system has some strange behaviors, so i prefer a "clean" installation |
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| 18:27.57 | lero_ | anyone using debian 4.0 amd64? |
| 18:28.08 | h3sp4wn | !anyone |
| 18:28.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:28.12 | Yasuo | lero_, not yet but i plan :P |
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| 18:28.16 | lero_ | hmm |
| 18:28.21 | lero_ | it worked fine here |
| 18:28.23 | c5jr | yes, lero_ , whats up? |
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| 18:28.24 | lero_ | p4-d |
| 18:28.26 | skiptest | anybody use recent m68k? |
| 18:28.32 | lero_ | but i got this messages from kernel |
| 18:28.33 | Yasuo | lero_, but whats your question? |
| 18:28.36 | lero_ | warning: many lost ticks. |
| 18:28.36 | lero_ | Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts |
| 18:28.36 | lero_ | rip 0x2b0819b184a9 |
| 18:28.36 | lero_ | Falling back to HPET |
| 18:28.36 | XPSlammer | thp: the correct way to report a bug as being a duplicate, is to mark it as a duplicate. |
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| 18:28.56 | XPSlammer | i realise that's not utterly obvious |
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| 18:29.19 | lero_ | sorry |
| 18:29.24 | Yasuo | ler what do you mean with p4? |
| 18:29.26 | Yasuo | lero_, |
| 18:29.27 | Vasistha | !tell lero_ about paster |
| 18:29.37 | lero_ | http://pastebin.ca/431495 |
| 18:29.49 | lero_ | p4 dual core |
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| 18:29.55 | lero_ | running on amd64 |
| 18:30.03 | thp | XPSlammer: i'm reading http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control, but don't see any mention on how to "mark" bugs - where should i go looking for instructions on how to do this? |
| 18:30.08 | Yasuo | lero_, do you know what the amd in amd64 is for? |
| 18:30.14 | lero_ | yeah |
| 18:30.18 | Yasuo | good |
| 18:30.22 | lero_ | my p4 supports em64t |
| 18:30.24 | c5jr | Yasuo, that amd is also for dual core |
| 18:30.25 | c5jr | yah |
| 18:30.27 | abraxas | zinx: besides, what's the point in blaming glibc if they're up to version 2.5 while debian stable uses 2.3.6? |
| 18:30.29 | numist | how does one dist-upgrade from inside aptitude? |
| 18:30.54 | pickcoder | c5jr: not all "dual-core" though |
| 18:30.54 | abraxas | zinx: what are they supposed to do? |
| 18:30.54 | Yasuo | c5jr, what has dual core to do with 64bit? |
| 18:30.54 | numist | or whats the way to make a machine stay as testing instead of going stable on release day |
| 18:30.56 | c5jr | yeah, well, core 2 duo and friends |
| 18:31.04 | c5jr | sorry... |
| 18:31.04 | Gathond | actually only for core 2 duo, the core duo does not have 64 bit support afaik |
| 18:31.05 | Yasuo | lero_, well, use ia64 for intel 64bit processors |
| 18:31.07 | Vasistha | numist: change your sources.list to read 'testing' instead of 'etch' |
| 18:31.14 | BlueParrot | oooh, xfce is really nice |
| 18:31.18 | BlueParrot | responsive ... |
| 18:31.18 | c5jr | its late, been a long day |
| 18:31.19 | lero_ | Yasuo, it's not 64bits |
| 18:31.21 | lero_ | it's em64t |
| 18:31.28 | lero_ | like amd64 technology |
| 18:31.43 | zinx | abraxas: ok... fine, blame debian glibc, jeez |
| 18:32.21 | numist | also, apt is complaining that it tried stable but got etch on security.debian.org |
| 18:32.30 | Gathond | Yasuo: no, ia64 is NOT x86 |
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| 18:32.43 | Gathond | Yasuo: ia64 is for itanium CPU's only |
| 18:32.54 | jahshua | are other people having trouble with sound on their computers here? running sid .. |
| 18:33.03 | Vasistha | numist: are you running debian 3.1 or 4.0 ? |
| 18:33.11 | Gathond | Yasuo: and amd64 (as debian calls it) is the correct thing for em64t CPUs from intel |
| 18:33.18 | Yasuo | Gathond, ok, got it |
| 18:33.22 | Vasistha | numist: cat /etc/debian_version if you're not sure |
| 18:33.31 | numist | Vasistha: previously etch, I suppose I have to dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:33.38 | lero_ | so what about this "many lost ticks, falling back to HPET" ? |
| 18:33.40 | abraxas | zinx: it's not about blaming, but i think the problem needs to be adressed by debian, not by the glibc people |
| 18:33.40 | lero_ | any idea? |
| 18:33.51 | numist | Vasistha: 4.0 |
| 18:33.51 | Gathond | Yasuo: ok:) |
| 18:33.51 | c5jr | i want to know too, lero_ ... |
| 18:34.04 | Vasistha | numist: meaning, you've been running etch (testing) for quite some time, and you would like to continue running testing (and not etch)? |
| 18:34.08 | zinx | abraxas: so, report it to the debian bug tracker |
| 18:34.11 | c5jr | i got nothing like that, but i have different hardware (some opterons |
| 18:34.12 | numist | Vasistha: yes |
| 18:34.13 | c5jr | ) |
| 18:34.19 | Gathond | lero_: nope, sorry, I have not seen this on my core2 duo laptop |
| 18:34.26 | abraxas | zinx: i tried the bug report search thingy, but it's down at the moment |
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| 18:34.32 | lero_ | c5jr, you got this messages too? |
| 18:34.36 | c5jr | no |
| 18:34.44 | c5jr | i looked for it in logs |
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| 18:35.05 | jahshua | anyone? |
| 18:35.16 | lero_ | gnome is running fine too =] |
| 18:35.27 | lero_ | so the only problem with amd64 i think it's flash player |
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| 18:36.04 | mfrisch | lero_: it's pretty complete these days. |
| 18:36.24 | Vasistha | numist: I'm not entirely sure if the repositories have been fully upgraded for lenny quite yet. I'm also really not sure if you need to do a dist-upgrade, but it probably won't hurt. I believe "dist-upgrade" is the same as "upgrade" except that it is more liberal in ignoring old conflicts and pushing for newer packages -- which is basically what you want |
| 18:36.27 | h3sp4wn | I think not having flash is an advantage (makes iceweasel crash alot less) |
| 18:36.37 | lero_ | yeah |
| 18:36.42 | lero_ | i just use flash for youtube |
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| 18:36.50 | lero_ | but youtube-dl + mplayer do the work ;) |
| 18:37.03 | jahshua | are other people having trouble with sound on their computers here? running sid .. |
| 18:37.05 | Vasistha | h3sp4wn: thing is, I only open firefox to look at flash... rather frustrating... |
| 18:37.11 | mfrisch | lero_: demacracytv is great to. |
| 18:37.12 | Vasistha | jahshua: just ask your question |
| 18:37.26 | mfrisch | lero_: democracytv |
| 18:37.41 | c5jr | youtube is banned in the country i presently reside in |
| 18:37.42 | Gathond | lero_: my solution for that was a 32 bit chroot for running my browser |
| 18:37.45 | c5jr | err presently banned.. |
| 18:37.52 | mfrisch | c5jr: china ? |
| 18:37.56 | c5jr | thailand |
| 18:38.03 | mfrisch | c5jr: aah. |
| 18:38.03 | lero_ | Gathond, it's easy to do? |
| 18:38.17 | c5jr | yah... its getting really weird with computers here.... |
| 18:38.22 | h3sp4wn | Vasistha: When I switched to amd64 I said if I wanted to see something that badly I would use a statically linked 32 bit firefox (not done it yet) |
| 18:38.23 | jahshua | Vasistha, i just did. i have lost sound on my laptop running sid, just wondering if others are encountering similar issues. |
| 18:38.33 | mfrisch | c5jr: always has been |
| 18:39.10 | Gathond | lero_: yeah, it takes up some space though |
| 18:39.26 | c5jr | yeah, thats the condition of the location i suppose |
| 18:39.36 | Gathond | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 has an ok guide |
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| 18:40.53 | Gathond | lero_: I'm using the schroot way |
| 18:40.58 | Vasistha | h3sp4wn: I build web sites myself, and I occasionally need to look at flash stuff :P I haven't seen a single flash page work since I upgraded to etch a month ago.. am considering going with the evil macromedia player, although I really really don't want to |
| 18:41.16 | zrin | I'm building several debian systems (some of them diskless w/ netboot) for use in one office - what is the correct way to centralize user authentication? |
| 18:42.34 | ifireball | zrin: ldap/kerberos probably |
| 18:42.38 | wad | Vasistha, just upgrade to windows. |
| 18:43.02 | Vasistha | wad: well, it's kinda hard on a 333 MHz machine. I was running win 98 for a long time here... |
| 18:43.06 | Fadoksi | nspluginwrapper could also do the job for Flash Player... Haven't tried it myself though |
| 18:43.11 | wad | I was kidding! :) |
| 18:43.27 | wad | I've got a Pentium II 450MHz box I'm not using. Want it? |
| 18:43.30 | zrin | ifireball: thank you for the hint |
| 18:43.33 | wad | It has 256 MB RAM in it. |
| 18:44.00 | Vasistha | wad: I know you were kidding :-) but I chose to go the fun route instead of the angry one ... thanks for the offer, but -- see, my primary is a laptop. I do have more powerful desktops around... |
| 18:44.13 | wad | Ah. |
| 18:44.46 | poideac | wad, pull apart the ram and put it on ebay for $1 AUD. i'll buy it |
| 18:44.56 | wad | I wonder if Etch would run on a P2 450 MGz box with 256 MB RAM, and a 2 GB HDD. |
| 18:45.04 | RedShift | wad: why not |
| 18:45.15 | wad | Would it run Gnome, too? |
| 18:45.20 | Vasistha | wad: probably. I have a PII 333 MHz with 192 MB RAM, and I'm running kde |
| 18:45.27 | wad | Wow. |
| 18:45.33 | RedShift | wad: yes, and instead of asking why don't you just try it? |
| 18:45.54 | wad | Because I'm at work, and this box is at home. I'll try it when I get home. :) |
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| 18:46.36 | Fadoksi | wad: I have etch on 166mhz Pentium and 80MB of RAM :) |
| 18:46.36 | wad | How much hard disk space does it need? |
| 18:46.37 | wintix | hark: i just fixed the X problem. i realised that i can start X as user but can't start 'startx'. while trying to start the session step by step, i relalised that xfce4-session had no write access to /home/wintix/.ICQauthority. I fixed that and everything works again. seems like that got messed up during the dist-upgrade to etch from (5 days old) testing |
| 18:46.38 | Vasistha | jahshua: I'd suggest you /msg dpkg about <ask> and <anyone> and the other topics he recommends, so that you can get a better idea of how to ask a more specific question that people are likelier to answer |
| 18:46.42 | Fadoksi | I don't remember the actual but the pentium also had an 2gb hard disk |
| 18:47.00 | wad | I'll try it out. :) |
| 18:47.07 | RedShift | wad: 1,5 gigabyte with KDE |
| 18:47.14 | wad | Should be good, then! |
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| 18:47.23 | Fadoksi | It's worth trying :D |
| 18:47.28 | wad | Hurf, now I just want to go home now and play with it. |
| 18:48.00 | numist | Vasistha: aye, my main concern is suddenly running sid |
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| 18:48.46 | putridp | Generally, should the 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main' entry in /etc/apt/sources.list go at the beginning or the end? |
| 18:48.52 | Vasistha | numist: oh, I wouldn't worry about that. dist-upgrade doesn't look at any sources that aren't in your sources.list. In fact, if you only have stable sources there, then dist-upgrade probably won't do anything. |
| 18:49.21 | numist | neat |
| 18:49.27 | Vasistha | putridp: sources at the top of the list are given higher priority. So, generally, you'll want to have security first, then your primary mirror, then multimedia stuff |
| 18:49.29 | numist | they should all say testing other than security. |
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| 18:50.06 | Vasistha | numist: well, even that -- you know there's secure-testing now, right? (although I'm not sure how much attention that's getting) |
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| 18:51.12 | putridp | Vasistha, that seems reasonable, thanks. |
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| 18:56.12 | numist | Vasistha: I did not know... testing security isn't one of my stronger points though |
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| 18:56.15 | roadfish | is there a way to ask apt-get to just dump the URLs of the files being downloaded? ideally with the sizes |
| 18:58.50 | keith80403 | What is the (or an) URL for the Etch i386 iso MD5SUMs (e.g. debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso?) |
| 18:59.46 | Insolit | damn compressing in tgz a drive with 10GB took 1 hour :| |
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| 19:01.03 | SR|Ultra | Daft question... How come linux-image-2.6-amd64 (and the package it currently depends on, linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64) are currently only in the i386 architecture? |
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| 19:01.42 | Insolit | guys do you know if apt-get creates a log on the files that are added or removed? |
| 19:02.13 | markybob | SR|Ultra: it's not. it's also in amd64 port |
| 19:02.15 | wols | Insolit: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 19:02.25 | Insolit | thanks a lot wols |
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| 19:02.59 | SR|Ultra | markybob: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6-amd64 only lists it for i386... and apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 tells me there is no installation candidate |
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| 19:03.24 | xand | SR|Ultra: hmm, what one *is* available on amd64? |
| 19:03.33 | markybob | SR|Ultra: pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.18+6_amd64.deb |
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| 19:03.42 | EvilDin | hi |
| 19:03.51 | EvilDin | why do i get this error while doing apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got etch) |
| 19:03.57 | xand | markybob: he is right... PDO says i386 only |
| 19:04.11 | markybob | i dont care what pdo says :) i just posted where it is |
| 19:04.26 | chops | EvilDin: Unless you installed today, you should probably change that "stable" to "etch" |
| 19:04.32 | xand | markybob: if apt-get can't find it, then something is broken :P |
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| 19:04.56 | EvilDin | i install yesterday |
| 19:04.56 | markybob | xand: probably his mirror. my apt is finding it find |
| 19:05.01 | chops | EvilDin: In /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:05.10 | chops | EvilDin: Did you install sarge, or etch? |
| 19:05.11 | markybob | fine* |
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| 19:05.19 | lero_ | there's much difference running amd64 instead of i386 on a desktop system? |
| 19:05.27 | EvilDin | i make dist-upgrade to etch |
| 19:05.37 | deego | EvilDin: I believe this may be because some mirrors are not yet updated. |
| 19:05.38 | SR|Ultra | markybob: hmm, I'm using mirror.ox.ac.uk, I'll try the.earth.li or the UK primary mirror |
| 19:05.41 | wols | lero_: closed source software (many browser plugins) won't work |
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| 19:05.53 | lero_ | wols, just this? any performance boost? |
| 19:05.56 | EvilDin | so can you tell me some which works already? |
| 19:06.03 | chops | EvilDin: Hm, try changing it to 'etch' then :-/. security.debian.org definitely should be updated, but I guess it's possible that it isn't. |
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| 19:06.11 | xand | SR|Ultra: probably the mirror hasn't been updated since etch was released |
| 19:06.23 | EvilDin | so: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 19:06.26 | EvilDin | i change to deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 19:06.34 | EvilDin | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 19:06.57 | chops | EvilDin: Yeah, try that. Certainly it can't hurt. |
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| 19:08.08 | EvilDin | ok now show no errors |
| 19:08.19 | EvilDin | but should that work even with stable |
| 19:08.24 | lero_ | wols, ? |
| 19:08.28 | selfsearcher | i just installed (netinstall) etch for AMD64 but after the boot X gives me just a blank screen |
| 19:08.35 | selfsearcher | (VESA) |
| 19:08.50 | lero_ | selfsearcher, try the driver for your card |
| 19:08.51 | xand | selfsearcher: did you install gdm+gnome or similar? |
| 19:08.57 | markybob | SR|Ultra: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-2.6-amd64&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 19:09.03 | xand | what colour blank screen? |
| 19:09.05 | lero_ | selfsearcher, here i'm using ati driver and it's ok on amd64 |
| 19:09.10 | markybob | SR|Ultra: see how it lists amd64 and i386 packages for it? |
| 19:09.14 | selfsearcher | lero_: i have an ATI X800 :\ |
| 19:09.24 | lero_ | try "ati" in xorg.conf |
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| 19:09.41 | selfsearcher | xand: i tried to install it (Desktop) but... the blank screen |
| 19:09.52 | h00t | i am installing software w/ synaptic but none of it appears in the menu ... what am i doing wroing |
| 19:09.58 | Insolit | wols: do u know if synaptic also keeps that log? |
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| 19:10.04 | h00t | i can only start it from shell |
| 19:10.06 | EvilDin | am which kernel is best for celeron 600 Mhz ? |
| 19:10.13 | selfsearcher | xand: black (exactly: the screen refuses to display...) |
| 19:10.15 | markybob | h00t: reload your panel. killall gnome-panel |
| 19:10.18 | lero_ | EvilDin, i686 |
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| 19:10.32 | wols | Insolit: it should |
| 19:10.40 | EvilDin | so this one: linux-image-686 |
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| 19:10.49 | lero_ | yeap |
| 19:11.10 | Insolit | wols: well it has an option to keep the history now i must find where that history is :) |
| 19:11.17 | lero_ | Linux dub 2.6.20.6 #1 SMP Mon Apr 9 14:16:54 EDT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:11.26 | lero_ | my lenny is running so fine =] |
| 19:11.26 | EvilDin | i just wonder why dist-upgrade gave me 486 |
| 19:11.56 | markybob | lero_: do you use vmware workstation with that kernel? kept freezing on me with 2.6.20.4...dont know if .6 fixed the vmware compatibility issue |
| 19:11.58 | selfsearcher | i mean, it just tell me that frequency is not supported but i gave the right frequencies (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) |
| 19:12.12 | lero_ | markybob, don't use vmware at all :~ |
| 19:12.27 | Vasistha | EvilDin: what did you have before? |
| 19:12.41 | EvilDin | 386 i think :) |
| 19:12.52 | Vasistha | EvilDin: well, that's why. |
| 19:12.57 | wols | selfsearcher: TFT? |
| 19:12.58 | h00t | markybob: even if i refresh panel the software doesn't appear ... i'm trying to install "transmission" |
| 19:13.07 | EvilDin | whatever was default install when installing base system sarge |
| 19:13.16 | selfsearcher | wols: Acer AL1751 yes |
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| 19:14.05 | markybob | h00t: i'd suggest deluge-torrent, btw. i've used both and it's far better |
| 19:14.11 | Vasistha | EvilDin: 386 (now 486) will work on almost any system, that's why it's the default. So just change it to 686 and don't worry about it |
| 19:14.29 | wols | selfsearcher: TFTs don't need frequencies since they don't have one (or rather: only one) |
| 19:14.29 | EvilDin | ok |
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| 19:14.39 | Selenolupus | does anyone know what the 'crosshurd' package is for? |
| 19:14.42 | wols | they run at 60Hz and that's it |
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| 19:15.03 | markybob | Selenolupus: apt-cache show crosshurd will tell you |
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| 19:15.40 | selfsearcher | wols: maybe i have to re-check my monitor but... yes, it's flat... hmm... strange! 50-80 ... |
| 19:15.41 | deego | While upgrading to etch, I (had to) purged hotplug in favor of udev (both were installed.) But, I still see upgrades frobbing /etc/hotplug/... why? |
| 19:15.56 | Selenolupus | markybob: It says it's used for installing a Debian system. =/ |
| 19:16.14 | alexrait1 | hello, I am using debian testing version. I have to run gnome-control-center each time I want to restore my fonts in gtk based application like firefox... why doesn't it save my settings? |
| 19:17.21 | h00t | markybob: how come i can't find it in synaptic ... do i have to "enable" certain repots |
| 19:17.24 | h00t | repos |
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| 19:17.37 | SR|Ultra | markybob: I dug around that page... I eventually found http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_amd64.deb - but it seems that the amd64 arch version is only in testing/unstable |
| 19:17.44 | selfsearcher | in Ubuntu (386) i can use it with fglrx digital 1280x1024 H:80 V:75 ... even Ubuntu for X86_64 doesn't work in VESA mode but Ubuntu X86 works... strange ! |
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| 19:18.13 | SR|Ultra | markybob: which makes no sense to me since they (the i386 and amd64-distributed versions of the amd64 kernel) should be identical |
| 19:18.20 | SR|Ultra | as far as I can tell |
| 19:19.00 | mfrisch | SR|Ultra: your mirror doen't sound synced. |
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| 19:19.46 | SR|Ultra | markybob and mfrisch : compare http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6-amd64 and http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 19:19.59 | selfsearcher | it seems that only Gentoo (Sabayon) works sometime in "safe graphic mode" for X86_64 |
| 19:20.02 | Vasistha | numist: what I meant about secure-testing is this: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
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| 19:20.16 | SR|Ultra | note that the former doesn't acknowledge it existing on the amd64 arch (despite what http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-2.6-amd64&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all says) |
| 19:20.24 | mfrisch | SR|Ultra: thats a metapackage for the latest kernel. |
| 19:20.43 | selfsearcher | i'm lost :| |
| 19:20.50 | nihraguk | quick question: how do i check what options a debian package was compiled with? |
| 19:20.50 | mfrisch | SR|Ultra: its not a kernel anyways |
| 19:21.07 | markybob | SR|Ultra: just get the deb straight http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.18+6_amd64.deb |
| 19:21.20 | Vasistha | alexrait1: you might ask in #gnome |
| 19:21.33 | SR|Ultra | mfrisch: yes, and the matching kernels also have the same issue: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 vs http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 19:21.49 | abrotman | you're all nuts! |
| 19:21.56 | SR|Ultra | markybob: isn't that link the pseudopackage? |
| 19:21.58 | xixor | hi everyone, I am trying to get my new p4 3.06 cpu to run at full speed, it is currently at 1.6ghz. Just wondering how I can check the acpi throttling states? |
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| 19:22.10 | SR|Ultra | ( http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_amd64.deb surely? ) |
| 19:22.13 | markybob | abrotman: well, that's probably true |
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| 19:22.24 | markybob | SR|Ultra: just get what you need from here and dpkg -i http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/ |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | he should use the metapackage |
| 19:22.37 | Vasistha | xixor: try compiling a kernel, that might get it up to speed |
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| 19:22.58 | xixor | Vasistha: the BIOS reports it as 1.6 at bootup |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | what's wrong with linux-image-2.6-amd64? |
| 19:23.19 | markybob | blah |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | on amd64 it won't be called that IIRC |
| 19:23.35 | Vasistha | xixor: did you just install the cpu into a motherboard where you previously had a slower cpu? |
| 19:23.35 | markybob | SR|Ultra: here we go...gotta tell your story a third time time |
| 19:23.38 | markybob | ;) |
| 19:24.03 | wintix | xixor: well. it's saving power at lower speeds. does it clock higher if you use the cpu 100%? |
| 19:24.20 | SR|Ultra | markybob: hmm? I don't want to spam the channel... (am I being baited? heh ;)) |
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| 19:24.27 | wintix | xixor: if not, maybe it's going into thermal throttling or your bios isn't set correctly. |
| 19:24.29 | abrotman | no .. but i don't think it has the same name |
| 19:24.34 | xingu | abrotman: actually, it is |
| 19:24.39 | markybob | SR|Ultra: i was joking around with abrotman. nevermind :) |
| 19:24.46 | Vasistha | xixor: because if you did, you may need to change some jumpers on your motherboard, and/or change bios settings |
| 19:24.50 | xixor | Vasistha: yes, it used to have a 1.8Ghz chip with a 400fsb, now it is a 533fsb with a 3.06ghz |
| 19:24.55 | abrotman | xingu: let mel ook |
| 19:24.59 | xixor | Vasistha: Yes, could be |
| 19:25.03 | xingu | abrotman: I've got one right here. ;) |
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| 19:25.14 | xixor | wintix: Yes, I think it could be throttling for some reason |
| 19:25.21 | abrotman | xingu: i don't want to know about your drinking habits :) |
| 19:25.25 | wintix | Vasistha: jumpers? in what millenia do you live? ;) |
| 19:25.34 | SR|Ultra | abrotman: do you have any thoughts? I'm wget'ing the .deb now and I'll install it manually, but it's a little annoying |
| 19:25.40 | xingu | abrotman: now bring me a shrubbery |
| 19:25.47 | abrotman | SR|Ultra: so you're running amd64 debian .. and you don't have linux-image-2.6-amd64 as a package ? |
| 19:25.48 | Vasistha | wintix: ah, we no longer change jumpers to change clock speed? ok :-) |
| 19:26.18 | SR|Ultra | abrotman: it tells me that no installation candidate is available |
| 19:26.35 | abrotman | SR|Ultra: can we see your sources ? |
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| 19:26.36 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:26.36 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:26.36 | SR|Ultra | abrotman: and, I've looked at p.d.o and it lists it for the amd64 arch in testing and unstable, but not in stable |
| 19:26.41 | xixor | Vasistha: this intel board is a http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv2 |
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| 19:26.46 | abrotman | SR|Ultra: it is there for stable also |
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| 19:26.50 | xixor | Vasistha: there are absolutely no options for overclocking/changing speeds |
| 19:26.54 | abrotman | SR|Ultra: linux-image-2.6-amd64 is |
| 19:26.55 | SR|Ultra | abrotman: using http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian |
| 19:27.04 | abrotman | need more than that sparky |
| 19:27.06 | Vasistha | xixor: you know, I'm gonna guess from wintix's comment that you ought to focus on the bios settings, and ignore my comment about jumpers |
| 19:27.25 | xixor | there are no real bios options to change though :) |
| 19:27.46 | abrotman | whatever .. just install linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 19:27.50 | lero_ | there's performance improvments running amd64 on desktop instead of i386? |
| 19:27.59 | SR|Ultra | abrotman: despite what the search results say, the individual package pages themselves say something different: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 vs http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:28.14 | abrotman | SR|Ultra: and grab the metapackage from packages.debian.org for testing .. it shouldn't matter |
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| 19:28.48 | wintix | xixor: it's unlikely that there are any relevant jumpers for the cpu speed on recent motherboards. mostly that kind of adjustment is done via bios settings. |
| 19:29.19 | xixor | wintix: Yeah, I hear ya. In the BIOS settings, there are no options to change for the CPU.. that is a limitation of this intel 845 board |
| 19:29.20 | wintix | xixor: power ccle the machine and check the bios messages if it detects your prozessor and it's speed ok. |
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| 19:29.31 | xixor | wintix: ok, will reboot and check it |
| 19:29.32 | roadfish | is there a document that describes how apt-get works internally. specifically, I want to understand how apt-get picks the specific http://some-path/package-name location to download from. |
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| 19:30.31 | abrotman | roadfish: the source ? |
| 19:30.58 | deego | Is there an option to supply to apt-get so that it selects the recommended packages too? |
| 19:31.09 | Vasistha | lero_: probably so. you might not notice them if you're just browsing the internet, but if you start compiling or rendering or whatever, it should make a positive difference |
| 19:31.26 | abrotman | deego: use aptitude |
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| 19:31.53 | deego | abrotman: thx |
| 19:32.18 | nn-other | hi |
| 19:32.19 | Vasistha | roadfish: I believe it chooses it based on the Packages.gz files it downloads from the servers in sources.list |
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| 19:33.45 | smica | now should I change the stable to oldstable in sources.list if I use sarge and I don't wan't to dist-upgrade? (sorry for bad english) |
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| 19:33.55 | asg | smica: just change it to sarge |
| 19:33.58 | Vasistha | smica: yes, or you could just change it to 'sarge' |
| 19:34.15 | ehjones | smica: yes, or change them to 'sarge' to stop any surprises |
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| 19:34.28 | smica | thanks |
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| 19:35.40 | Vasistha | any news on when we might begin to see backports.org support etch? are we talking weeks or months? |
| 19:35.57 | xand | patience! |
| 19:36.11 | xand | ask whoever runs the site :P |
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| 19:37.16 | Vasistha | not a bad idea, actually. Though I'm hesitant because I bet they're already being flooded with emails. Maybe I'll just do one of those sid-backports thingys |
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| 19:38.11 | kepht | I'm seeing verification prompts when trying to update, what is the fix? Tried apt-key update already. |
| 19:38.47 | Vasistha | kepht: well, apt-key is the solution, you've just got to make sure that *all* your sources have valid keys |
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| 19:41.37 | xand | Vasistha: what program do you want? |
| 19:42.00 | Vasistha | xand: I was thinking of trying gnash as a swf-player replacement, since the latter is rather broken in etch |
| 19:42.05 | roadfish | Vasistha: ok, thanks |
| 19:42.09 | kepht | Vasistha: i've left only one source enabled, ftp.debian.org [128.101.240.212] ..but the result is the same. |
| 19:42.23 | HardDisk_WP | dammit... |
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| 19:42.32 | HardDisk_WP | how do I restore the default settings in KMix? |
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| 19:43.25 | Mazingaro | is it out :) |
| 19:43.27 | Mazingaro | ? |
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| 19:43.35 | warjets | How can i tell if i have lilo or grub installed in my mbr |
| 19:43.39 | asg | Mazingaro: /topic |
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| 19:43.46 | selfsearcher | Mazingaro: what? |
| 19:43.51 | Vasistha | xand: although of course since Adobe has purchased Flash, I'm somewhat tempted to just go to the dark side of proprietary players ... since I do trust Adobe quite a bit more than I trusted Macromedia |
| 19:43.53 | Mazingaro | asg: I read |
| 19:44.14 | Mazingaro | asg: is it downloadable? |
| 19:44.33 | Vasistha | kepht: why don't you pastebin apt-key list |
| 19:44.37 | nivanson | Mazingaro, yes |
| 19:44.40 | asg | Mazingaro: yes, the install guide has all you need to get started |
| 19:44.46 | Mazingaro | wow |
| 19:44.50 | Mazingaro | urrah |
| 19:44.57 | nivanson | bleh |
| 19:45.01 | lero_ | these iceweasel/icedove icons are so ugly :) |
| 19:45.14 | asg | lero_: who uses icons anyway? |
| 19:45.14 | yanmorin | lero_, there are so cool! |
| 19:45.19 | rahul | assweasel! |
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| 19:45.24 | \amethyst | lero_: there are better icons out there :) |
| 19:45.25 | aubade | Icedove icon is pretty cute.... |
| 19:45.38 | rahul | randomly crashed on me a few minutes ago... |
| 19:45.39 | lero_ | i like the original ones |
| 19:45.47 | Mazingaro | asg: I've got the old unstable here, shall I upgrade to etch? |
| 19:45.49 | rahul | and of course, when it does that, it leaks data in the X server.... |
| 19:45.52 | lero_ | much more elaborated |
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| 19:46.02 | asg | Mazingaro: old unstable? |
| 19:46.04 | Vasistha | lero_: too bad the mozilla people are so uncompromising with their differently licensed art |
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| 19:46.22 | lero_ | Vasistha, the problem is what? |
| 19:46.23 | nivanson | lero_, you should replace the icon of iceweasel with this: http://mik.unpackable.org/humping_iceweasel.gif |
| 19:46.31 | lero_ | they can't compile firefox and use the original icons? |
| 19:46.32 | Mazingaro | asg: unstable |
| 19:46.45 | asg | Mazingaro: you can't upgrade from unstable to etch. |
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| 19:46.52 | Mazingaro | asg: ? |
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| 19:47.16 | asg | Mazingaro: etch was testing before it became stable. unstable is beyond testing. |
| 19:47.29 | NN-other3 | hi |
| 19:47.37 | Mazingaro | asg: even with 4.0? |
| 19:47.42 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: going unstable->etch is a downgrade, and there isn't much support for downgrading |
| 19:47.48 | NN-other3 | finally an ok irc using java |
| 19:47.53 | asg | Mazingaro: unstable has said 4.0 since last May or so |
| 19:47.56 | xand | it's an upgrade in reliability |
| 19:47.58 | Vasistha | lero_: the problem is that debian wasn't using the "official" firefox icons with firefox, due to an incompatible license on that artwork. Mozilla requested (demanded) that debian stop using the firefox name if the browser was not bundled with their artwork/icons. So debian republished the browser as iceweasel and came up with some ... uh ... artwork, to replace the old icons |
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| 19:48.11 | \amethyst | xand: but a downgrade in package versions, which is the problem |
| 19:48.13 | Mazingaro | asg: I got etch in the sources.list |
| 19:48.23 | asg | Mazingaro: then you aren't running unstable |
| 19:48.24 | xand | Mazingaro: then you're not using unstable. |
| 19:48.33 | Mazingaro | asg: I changed last week |
| 19:48.37 | lero_ | Vasistha, just because the license of artwork right? |
| 19:48.41 | Mazingaro | asg: before I got unstable |
| 19:48.50 | xand | You can't change from unstable to etch :| |
| 19:48.52 | dutchfish | how come i get no valid key found from security/fixes for etch? |
| 19:48.59 | Vasistha | lero_: I believe that's the only issue, but I'm not sure. the wikipedia page for iceweasel would probably tell you all about it |
| 19:49.04 | xand | it's not the only issue |
| 19:49.05 | lero_ | hmm |
| 19:49.08 | asg | Mazingaro: then you have unstable. You are way beyond etch. |
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| 19:49.19 | asg | Mazingaro: /msg dpkg releases |
| 19:49.24 | lero_ | i know that if you compile ff, you can't use their icons too, i think |
| 19:49.27 | XPSlammer | !topicsmite dutchfish |
| 19:49.27 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dutchfish. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:49.28 | lero_ | i read sometime ago this |
| 19:49.32 | lero_ | i'm right? hehe |
| 19:49.35 | xand | lero_: no |
| 19:49.51 | xand | you can't make changes and then use the icons/name, which is what debian does |
| 19:49.56 | Mazingaro | someone here told me that was time for me to change unstable to etch in sources.list |
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| 19:50.07 | lero_ | xand: ahh :) |
| 19:50.09 | xand | Mazingaro: they lied |
| 19:50.10 | dutchfish | XPSlammer, i already solved that 2 days ago, but its only the security updates |
| 19:50.16 | Vasistha | xand: s/does/did/ ? |
| 19:50.17 | asg | Mazingaro: someone is deluded |
| 19:50.45 | Mazingaro | asg: what shall I do? |
| 19:50.59 | CharminTheMoose | hey, I'm trying to compile a gtk/gl program and I need gtkglarea. the ./configure produces this output 'checking for gtk_gl_area_new in -lgtkgl... no' and directly below that ' configure: error: Cannot find gtkglarea' I've got gtkglarea5-dev installed, so why can't it find the header? |
| 19:51.10 | shaula | the line at my sources list "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib" causes aptitude to give that warning -->"W: Conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got etch)". This is a fresh etch install from net-install cd what is wrong with the sources.list file? |
| 19:51.13 | GhostlyDeath | I am only using 73.6% (732MiB/995.4MiB) of Memory and 0% (68.0KiB/3.4GiB) of swap -- something wrong here? |
| 19:51.16 | xand | Vasistha: well ok |
| 19:51.16 | asg | Mazingaro: re-install etch based on the helpful install guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 19:51.37 | wintix | GhostlyDeath: no |
| 19:51.40 | asg | GhostlyDeath: nope |
| 19:51.42 | Mazingaro | asg: doing that have I to repartitioning? |
| 19:51.46 | \amethyst | CharminTheMoose: can you put the config.log in a pastebin? |
| 19:51.46 | dutchfish | XPSlammer, unless i explicitly call it from etch instead of main (security updates in apt/sources.list) |
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| 19:51.57 | asg | GhostlyDeath: /msg dpkg free memory |
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| 19:52.03 | Vasistha | CharminTheMoose: I have no experience with this, but did you apt-get build-dep gtkglwhatever? |
| 19:52.29 | CharminTheMoose | Vasistha, nope |
| 19:52.31 | asg | Mazingaro: do that you have to read the install guide |
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| 19:52.37 | Keiser | Anybody have issues with PHP5 after Sarge -> Etch dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:52.43 | Keiser | Now Apache won't start. |
| 19:52.47 | Mazingaro | asg, ok |
| 19:53.15 | asg | Keiser: since there was no php5 on sarge, you are using something backporty. The release notes told you to remove your backports before the upgrade. |
| 19:53.37 | Keiser | asg, must have missed that. |
| 19:53.39 | Keiser | Great. |
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| 19:53.49 | EnsignRedshirt | My sources.list currently refers to "stable". Can I just change "stable" to "sarge" (and switch to new stable later)? |
| 19:53.50 | dutchfish | XPSlammer, ok solved it |
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| 19:54.05 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: its fun. |
| 19:54.10 | Vasistha | Keiser: maybe you need to purge everything to do with php and apache and reinstall them? |
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| 19:54.15 | Vasistha | EnsignRedshirt: yes. |
| 19:54.44 | CharminTheMoose | hey \amethyst here's my config.log http://www.pastebin.ca/431597 |
| 19:54.48 | asg | Keiser: section 4.2.4 in the release notes |
| 19:54.59 | dutchfish | Keiser, you only need to install reinstall php5 and related modules, that solved it for me |
| 19:55.01 | Keiser | asg: thanks. |
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| 19:55.40 | \amethyst | CharminTheMoose: you need the glu dev libraries too |
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| 19:55.58 | \amethyst | CharminTheMoose: Are you building a debian package? |
| 19:55.58 | lero_ | Vasistha, and what is the problem with the license of artwork? |
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| 19:56.12 | GhostlyDeath | heh Google Earth has memory leaks since my Swap didn't fall |
| 19:56.24 | CharminTheMoose | \amethyst nope, it's a file system visualiser called fsv |
| 19:56.27 | Vasistha | lero_: read about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
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| 19:56.39 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: and? goto googleearth.com |
| 19:56.39 | \amethyst | CharminTheMoose: do you have libglu1-mesa-dev installed? |
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| 19:57.24 | \amethyst | lero_: be aware that the wikipedia article is talking about two different iceweasels |
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| 19:57.50 | b_jonas | oh no |
| 19:57.51 | \amethyst | lero_: It's non-free, because you're not allowed to modify it |
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| 19:58.20 | markybob | i'm still pissed that iceweasel doesnt have mozilla development files. |
| 19:58.21 | \amethyst | lero_: So it was excluded from the debian package, which triggered the "if you don't use our icons, you can't call it firefox" response |
| 19:58.37 | b_jonas | I'll have to use text console to upgrade to etch because it will replace xfree86 with x.org |
| 19:58.49 | b_jonas | and I'm now too much used to X |
| 19:58.59 | b_jonas | once I was a big text console fan |
| 19:59.00 | CharminTheMoose | \amethyst, heh it worked, thanks a lot! |
| 19:59.19 | EnsignRedshirt | Vasistha: Thanks. |
| 19:59.19 | b_jonas | but now I don't even have a working svgatextmode config |
| 19:59.19 | EnsignRedshirt | Ciao. |
| 19:59.21 | Vasistha | b_jonas: yes, you should read the release notes, they explicitly say not to run a dist-upgrade in x |
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| 19:59.33 | b_jonas | Vasistha: yes, I've read them |
| 19:59.36 | b_jonas | that's the problem |
| 19:59.45 | b_jonas | I'll have to use text mode |
| 19:59.56 | lero_ | \amethyst, hmm now i understood :) |
| 20:00.04 | abrotman | you can do it without getting out of X |
| 20:00.04 | Yasuo | n8 |
| 20:00.06 | Vasistha | b_jonas: vga=791 in grub doesn't work for you, huh? That's too bad ... it didn't work for me with 2.6.8 either, but now it's working in 2.6.18 |
| 20:00.19 | disasm | just did an upgrade today, and I have stable in my sources.list. I think it grabbed a bunch of etch packages, but I don't want to upgrade to etch yet. I'm getting errors with libpango when launching gnome saying to run pango-querymodules, which doesn't exist. When I login, I see a blue debian logo, that hangs, and then 5 mins later goes back to login screen |
| 20:00.26 | CharminTheMoose | ouch, my eyes burn from the crappyness of black blocks where the fonts in this program should be! |
| 20:00.31 | CharminTheMoose | damn fonts! |
| 20:00.38 | wintix | Vasistha: get something like irssi. we will help you, if bad things happen :) |
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| 20:00.53 | disasm | i tried removing all the all gnome packages, and reinstalling them to no avail... |
| 20:00.55 | wintix | err. s/Vasishta/b_jonas/ |
| 20:01.10 | valdyn | disasm: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:01.25 | valdyn | disasm: having 'stable' in sources.list was a bad idea... |
| 20:01.33 | disasm | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:01.34 | CharminTheMoose | could I perhaps be missing an annoying font package? |
| 20:01.37 | disasm | valdyn: yeah, I know |
| 20:01.40 | b_jonas | wintix: yes, I already have it |
| 20:01.44 | valdyn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 20:01.45 | b_jonas | for basically the same reason |
| 20:01.53 | earthian | hello, i have plugged in two PCI LAN cards to my PCI-X 100Mhz slots. However, Debian does not detect them. They are not in lspci or lshw etc. Any idea how to set up a network? |
| 20:01.55 | valdyn | disasm: that's still sarge fortunately |
| 20:01.59 | b_jonas | Vasistha: whhat's that? |
| 20:02.13 | valdyn | disasm: you'll have to find what else upgraded to etch and also not just remove but purge those packages |
| 20:02.19 | earthian | I think PCI-X are backward compatible with PCI!? |
| 20:02.23 | b_jonas | that grub thing |
| 20:02.23 | \amethyst | CharminTheMoose: what fonts are it looking for? |
| 20:02.24 | disasm | valdyn: yeah, libc6 should only upgrade with dist-upgrade |
| 20:02.45 | disasm | I thought as long as I did upgrade, it wouldn't upgrade anything that would break, but I guess I assumed wrong |
| 20:02.54 | b_jonas | I once had an nvdia videocard for which I had to install a patched svgatextmode |
| 20:03.13 | b_jonas | but now I only have an on-board intel video card |
| 20:03.29 | b_jonas | I'll have to google if svgatextmode supports it but I doubt |
| 20:03.31 | asg | disasm: use 'find /var/lib/dpkg/info -mtime -1' to see what got updated in the last 24 hours or so |
| 20:03.34 | jelly-home | earthian: if they're not visible in lspci, there's not much you can do |
| 20:03.36 | CharminTheMoose | \amethyst, i don't know, i get a merely ambigeous error from the console thus: ' fsv-WARNING **: GL error: 0x501' |
| 20:03.36 | Vasistha | b_jonas: are you familiar with either "grub" or "lilo"? it is your bootloader... |
| 20:03.39 | valdyn | disasm: i thought downgrading again broke stuff |
| 20:03.44 | b_jonas | yes, I know grub |
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| 20:04.00 | kepht | Vasistha: apparently, ftp.debian.org resolving to [128.101.240.212] ..needs updating? |
| 20:04.01 | earthian | jelly-home, but the lights in the cards are ON when i plug in cable. wtf? |
| 20:04.11 | b_jonas | but I don't know the vga option you pass to the kernel |
| 20:04.14 | Vasistha | b_jonas: oh -- yes, vga=791 can be passed as a kernel boot parameter, to use svga text mode |
| 20:04.16 | Shaun2222 | what package provided apt-setup with debian 4.0? |
| 20:04.17 | \amethyst | earthian: Because the link-level stuff is handled in hardware |
| 20:04.17 | b_jonas | that's some video mode thingy |
| 20:04.25 | \amethyst | earthian: so they're at least getting power :) |
| 20:04.34 | Vasistha | b_jonas: google for vga 791 and you can probably find an explanation. |
| 20:04.49 | asg | Shaun2222: there is an example sources.list in /usr/share/doc/apt/ |
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| 20:05.06 | Vasistha | b_jonas: worst case scenario: you boot up with that option and you get a blank screen until X starts (provided you're running X on boot); just reboot and take it out. |
| 20:05.21 | valdyn | disasm: purge everything that was mistakenly upgraded, that is all you can do |
| 20:05.23 | b_jonas | oh, that's standard vga 50 lines mode |
| 20:05.28 | b_jonas | no, I don't want that |
| 20:05.29 | earthian | \amethyst, but then again, why debian is not seeing them? what could be the problem? it worked with the only PCI slot i had... now it is occuped by the GF8800 GTX monster :( |
| 20:05.38 | b_jonas | and if I wanted to, I could get it with svgatextmode as well |
| 20:05.43 | Vasistha | b_jonas: heh, oh -- sorry :-) |
| 20:05.44 | b_jonas | as it's standard vga |
| 20:05.55 | b_jonas | I'd like a better textmode |
| 20:05.57 | Vasistha | kepht: did you pastebin your apt-key list? |
| 20:06.02 | earthian | and debian does not like to see my card in PCIe slot2 ... while the slot1 is empty :( |
| 20:06.05 | asg | b_jonas: who cares, it's perfectly usable for getting the upgrade done and get you X working. |
| 20:06.17 | \amethyst | earthian: does the PCIX bridge show up in lspci? |
| 20:06.28 | earthian | i dont think so |
| 20:06.32 | Vasistha | yeah, I did my upgrade in 80x25 mode |
| 20:06.33 | \amethyst | earthian: and have any other cards worked in the PCIX slots? |
| 20:06.36 | \amethyst | earthian: what motherboard? |
| 20:06.44 | \amethyst | earthian: and what kernel version? |
| 20:06.44 | b_jonas | asg: it is usable but I prefer better text modes |
| 20:06.46 | earthian | i dont have any other cards |
| 20:06.47 | Mitja | Opera segfaults instead of starting. Any other solution but restarting gdm? I'm using kde 3.5.5, etch |
| 20:06.52 | earthian | i have Tyan S2895 |
| 20:06.58 | Vasistha | Mitja: yeah, just a sec, I have a solution |
| 20:06.59 | b_jonas | I used 100x37 with the nvdia card |
| 20:07.03 | Shaun2222 | asg: if i'm using etch should i change stable to etch in the config? |
| 20:07.06 | \amethyst | earthian: could you put lspci's output in a pastebin |
| 20:07.07 | Vasistha | Mitja: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2007/04/08/all-good-things |
| 20:07.11 | xand | Mitja: yes, it's called iceweasel :P |
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| 20:07.13 | earthian | \amethyst, http://88.118.233.138/phpsysinfo |
| 20:07.14 | valdyn | Shaun2222: yes |
| 20:07.20 | lero_ | "There are two additional broad categories of things you can't do with Mozilla's logos. The first is to produce modified versions of them." |
| 20:07.25 | lero_ | =] |
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| 20:07.27 | Vasistha | Mitja: only the opera-static package worked for me |
| 20:07.46 | Shaun2222 | ok |
| 20:07.54 | earthian | !paste |
| 20:07.54 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 20:07.56 | Morenomcz | anything user from Brasil??? |
| 20:08.00 | Insolit | do you know where i can get portuguese open-office for debian? |
| 20:08.01 | markybob | !br |
| 20:08.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:08.05 | \amethyst | earthian: I don't think that's the entire output, because it's missing even the PCI bridge |
| 20:08.12 | abrotman | Mitja: you need the beta package from nico's blog |
| 20:08.25 | Saar | anyone know another terminal emulator besides minicom, to use on a shell? |
| 20:08.39 | asg | Saar: I've used ser2net to great effect over the years |
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| 20:08.47 | earthian | \amethyst, one moment i am using pastebin :p |
| 20:08.50 | oliver2 | hi all |
| 20:08.56 | Saar | asg: i see, thanks I'll try it |
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| 20:09.04 | earthian | \amethyst, http://channels.debian.net/paste/6010 |
| 20:09.22 | oliver2 | is there a "suspend to disk" button in Etch? |
| 20:09.27 | kekePower | howdy friends |
| 20:09.27 | asg | Saar: might not be what you are looking for but it's quite spiffy. |
| 20:09.30 | oliver2 | (either in Gnome or KDE?) |
| 20:09.31 | abrotman | button ? |
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| 20:09.38 | asg | abrotman: nipple |
| 20:09.38 | Vasistha | oliver2: a "suspend to disk" button would be on your computer |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | you can make a button for anything |
| 20:09.46 | abrotman | in the panels |
| 20:10.09 | Vasistha | oliver2: oh, sorry :-) |
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| 20:10.20 | oliver2 | ... |
| 20:10.32 | oliver2 | ok i try to explain :-) |
| 20:10.35 | kepht | Vasistha: pastebin ain |
| 20:10.37 | Saar | asg: yes seems so, just installed it, it allows tcp connections to go to the serial |
| 20:10.44 | kepht | Vasistha: pastebin ain't working for me |
| 20:10.47 | kekePower | I'm trying to install v4 using the netinst CD and I've mounted the DVD on my local webserver, but I can't get the installer to use the resource. Any ideas? |
| 20:10.57 | \amethyst | earthian: err, is this PCI-X or PCI-Express? |
| 20:11.02 | Vasistha | kepht: try http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:11.06 | oliver2 | in ubuntu under gnome -> system -> shutdown there are also buttons to suspend to ram or to disk... |
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| 20:11.11 | \amethyst | earthian: or does it have both? |
| 20:11.17 | oliver2 | where can i find similar buttons in debian? |
| 20:11.36 | earthian | my card has 2 PCIe x16, 1 PCI, 2 PCI-X 100 and 1 PCI-X 133 |
| 20:11.43 | earthian | card=mainboard |
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| 20:12.05 | \amethyst | earthian: Are you sure PCI-X is enabled in the bios? |
| 20:12.08 | earthian | i have NICs in those two PCIX100 |
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| 20:12.13 | earthian | i think yes |
| 20:12.16 | oliver2 | or what is the "official" command line for suspending? |
| 20:12.17 | earthian | at least the cards get the power |
| 20:12.32 | earthian | the lights are ON when i plug in the cable... |
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| 20:12.45 | \amethyst | earthian: that's entirely different |
| 20:12.48 | earthian | k |
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| 20:12.56 | \amethyst | earthian: It might be that the bios is set up not to enumerate the interface |
| 20:13.09 | earthian | so you suspect that the PCIX is OFF in bios, right? |
| 20:13.11 | earthian | i see |
| 20:13.16 | \amethyst | earthian: that's one possibility |
| 20:13.21 | earthian | hm |
| 20:13.44 | b_jonas | ah |
| 20:13.49 | \amethyst | earthian: Another is that it the pci-x chipset requires some module that's not currently loaded |
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| 20:13.55 | dutchfish | oliver2, http://applications.linux.com/applications/07/02/02/2117209.shtml?tid=47&tid=121 |
| 20:14.13 | Mitja | Vasistha, abrotman, ok, thanks, will check it out |
| 20:14.18 | b_jonas | apparently I can still use svgatextmode with VGA chipset and 36 MHz clock |
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| 20:14.28 | b_jonas | that allows me to at least make some half-decent text mode |
| 20:14.46 | b_jonas | I've got a 80x30 now |
| 20:14.53 | \amethyst | earthian: Aha, what's your BIOS version? |
| 20:15.07 | b_jonas | (still with 16 pixel high characters, I won't give below that) |
| 20:15.10 | oliver2 | dutchfish: thanks, I'll have a look at that |
| 20:15.20 | earthian | its HP OEM mainboard |
| 20:15.32 | earthian | from XW9300 workstation |
| 20:15.43 | earthian | let me check |
| 20:16.22 | CharminTheMoose | could anyone here hazard a guess as to why suddenly for know apparent reason do fonts in some gtkgl apps screw up horribly? |
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| 20:16.49 | \amethyst | CharminTheMoose: do other programs do it, or just the one you compiled? |
| 20:16.57 | earthian | \amethyst, vendor: Hewlett-Packard version: 786B9 v1.21 (04/25/2005) |
| 20:17.06 | not_a_k | anyone know, what do I need to listen to ytmnd.com content :) |
| 20:17.07 | ToXedVirus | what package do i have to install to get the default font 'fixed'? |
| 20:17.12 | earthian | think i am like a major version behind :S |
| 20:17.13 | asg | ToXedVirus: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 20:17.30 | \amethyst | earthian: ah, crap, probably using the Tyan bios update isn't advisable |
| 20:17.39 | earthian | not tyan |
| 20:17.41 | earthian | HP |
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| 20:17.57 | ToXedVirus | mmmkey, thanks asg ;) |
| 20:18.02 | CharminTheMoose | \amethyst, just the one I compiled but I haven't tried any other gtkgl apps. But before I upgraded to etch fsv ran fine |
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| 20:18.29 | zamaliphe | i have upgrade my mother board from asuse p4pe2-x to p4rd1-mx now what can i do for the drivers i don't rely think i have to re install debian ?? |
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| 20:18.46 | simonrvn | no |
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| 20:19.03 | simonrvn | kernel might need changing, or load different modules.. |
| 20:19.18 | simonrvn | or nothing at all... |
| 20:19.38 | zamaliphe | simonrvn: will i think i get some error |
| 20:20.04 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: are you running a stock debian kernel? Because it should auto-detect most hardware |
| 20:20.12 | simonrvn | thi isn't windows, where you have to reinstall everything 'cause you sneezed with your hand in front of your mouth |
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| 20:20.33 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 20:20.38 | apk | debconf won't install - http://pastebin.ca/431652. Is there something I can do about this? |
| 20:20.43 | HardDisk_WP | !tar? |
| 20:20.43 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 20:20.54 | sixtymhz | Any particular reason why the linux headers and such are 2.9.18-7 and not -4?? Kinda are to build things with that ;) |
| 20:20.56 | asg | HardDisk_WP: you can also /msg the bot |
| 20:21.05 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: i dont know ?? |
| 20:21.05 | kuba_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.16 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: uname -r |
| 20:21.43 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: well, of course, if you can't boot, you won't be able to do that -- but if you're not sure, chances are that you have not installed or compiled a different kernel. |
| 20:21.45 | asg | kuba_: it depends on which editor you are using |
| 20:21.52 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:21.56 | kombi | why would there be a directory "dev" in /dev ? |
| 20:22.07 | kuba_ | asg: i have typed it using cat >> fstab |
| 20:22.10 | abrotman | kombi: you mean .dev |
| 20:22.12 | \amethyst | apk: where did that py module come from? |
| 20:22.28 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: i can boot |
| 20:22.29 | simonrvn | kuba_: wtf? |
| 20:22.32 | apk | \amethyst: I have no idea. I assumed that debian put it there. |
| 20:22.33 | kombi | abrotman: unfortunately not, plain /dev/dev.. |
| 20:22.53 | asg | kuba_: then use an editor to edit the file and delete the line. You could use sed(1) also but editing it will suffice. |
| 20:23.03 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: yeah, that's a stock kernel -- meaning that you did not compile a special version yourself. Is discover running properly? Do you have any modules blacklisted because of your previous board? Have you removed hotplug? |
| 20:23.03 | \amethyst | apk: do dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/py-0.8.0_alpha2-py2.4.egg/py/test/testing/data/syntax_error.py |
| 20:23.03 | zamaliphe | now how can i install the ati 200 driver ?? |
| 20:23.08 | sixtymhz | Any particular reason why the linux-kernel-headers and such are 2.9.18-7 and not -4?? Kinda are to build things with that when the kernel we are running is 2.6.18-4 |
| 20:23.32 | kuba_ | asg: i am sorry i do not understand |
| 20:23.37 | apk | \amethyst: Not found. I removed the file and dpkg finished happily. |
| 20:23.39 | apk | \amethyst: *shrug* |
| 20:23.45 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: i didnot do any of that |
| 20:24.25 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: do i have to remove the hotplug? |
| 20:25.16 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: I believe you should remove/purge it, yes. If you have paid attention to your upgrade messages, you probably would have seen warnings from the apt system telling you to remove it |
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| 20:26.22 | \amethyst | kuba_: echo -e '$d\nwq' | ed fstab |
| 20:26.22 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: sorry but how to do that ? |
| 20:26.40 | kombi | anyone else have /dev/dev? rkhunter says it's part of rootkit GasKit, can one safely (and brutaly) rm -r /dev/dev? |
| 20:26.51 | \amethyst | kuba_: or cp fstab fstab.orig; head -n -1 < fstab.orig > fstab |
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| 20:27.03 | mfrisch | kombi: don't do that |
| 20:27.11 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: oh dear, well if you don't know how to do that, I begin to become very concerned that if I make a mistake giving you advice, that you won't be able to get yourself out of a fix, so please, please, don't do anything I advise unless someone else also says it's a good idea |
| 20:27.13 | \amethyst | err, sorry, wrong person |
| 20:27.19 | wad | Wow. I just *love* fail2ban! |
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| 20:28.31 | kombi | mfrisch: I wasn't seriosly going to, but can you elaborate why? |
| 20:28.31 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: do you regularly use apt-get or aptitude to update/upgrade your system? |
| 20:28.33 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: i can tat my chance |
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| 20:28.35 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: yes |
| 20:28.35 | mfrisch | kombi: its a virtual filesystem part of udev rootkits give it a false-positive |
| 20:29.34 | dob1 | hi, i have some problem with udev and cdrwiter after upgrading to etch, k3b doesn't find the device, how can i resolve the problem ? if i remove udev and i install hotplug cdwriter works |
| 20:29.35 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: i know how to use apt-get fore sure |
| 20:29.35 | earthian | \amethyst, seems that on HP.com site there is already a bios Version: 2.09 Rev. a (8 Jan 2007) |
| 20:29.37 | earthian | heh |
| 20:29.37 | \amethyst | earthian: try that out, and check the bios setting again |
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| 20:29.37 | earthian | yep |
| 20:29.37 | \amethyst | earthian: come back if it doesn't work |
| 20:29.38 | earthian | sadly that HP does not support debian |
| 20:29.39 | kuba_ | \amethyst: thank you |
| 20:29.39 | earthian | will have to use redhat enterprise stuff :S |
| 20:29.41 | earthian | thanks so far, \amethyst |
| 20:29.48 | kuba_ | \amethyst : where did you learn that? |
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| 20:30.02 | \amethyst | kuba_: how to use ed? it's like vi with fewer commands :) |
| 20:30.24 | \amethyst | kuba_: $d means "delete the last line", wq means "write and quit" |
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| 20:30.45 | \amethyst | kuba_: the \n is a line break thanks to echo -e |
| 20:31.12 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: now what ?? |
| 20:31.34 | kuba_ | \amethyst: but why to use "echo"? |
| 20:31.41 | Szeraax | What is the equvilant for base-config in etch? (Iwant to add a mirror to my apt sources) (no i dont want to type the url in manually) |
| 20:31.44 | \amethyst | kuba_: because ed takes it commands from stdin |
| 20:31.55 | Szeraax | i know apt-cdrom |
| 20:31.59 | kombi | mfrisch: so every newer distro should have it? Why might rkhunter not moan on other boxes i wonder.. checking now |
| 20:32.04 | Szeraax | but not for internet |
| 20:32.11 | kuba_ | \amethyst: standard input? |
| 20:32.15 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: dpkg -l udev |
| 20:32.16 | \amethyst | kuba_: yes |
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| 20:35.39 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: also, pgrep -l udev |
| 20:35.47 | Szeraax | so i should just "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" ? then type in the url? I know in sarge i could do base-config and select from a list of mirrors |
| 20:35.47 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: just want to make sure you're running properly |
| 20:36.08 | kuba_ | \amethyst: i meant where did you learn everything what you can now:) ??? |
| 20:36.16 | dutchfish | Szeraax, yes |
| 20:36.21 | Szeraax | dang |
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| 20:36.28 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: 1208 udevd |
| 20:36.29 | Szeraax | i dont wanna... |
| 20:36.33 | Szeraax | lol, oh well, ty |
| 20:36.42 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: that's good. so, you can apt-get remove --purge hotplug |
| 20:36.44 | kombi | thanks mfrisch, I'll dig into this more |
| 20:37.28 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: did you say whether you use apt-get or aptitude? aptitude is better, but if you have been using apt-get, it takes quite a bit of time to transition |
| 20:37.28 | zamaliphe | Vasistha: Package hotplug is not installed, so not removed |
| 20:37.31 | \amethyst | kuba_: One time, many years ago, I did man /usr/share/man/man*/* |
| 20:38.03 | mfrisch | \amethyst: your the TA right? |
| 20:38.03 | \amethyst | kuba_: That and I always look for new ways to be lazy |
| 20:38.22 | \amethyst | mfrisch: yeah :) |
| 20:38.29 | kuba_ | what is the "TA"?? |
| 20:38.38 | \amethyst | Teaching Assistant at a university |
| 20:38.41 | abrotman | you're too young |
| 20:38.43 | abrotman | oh . that |
| 20:39.05 | helo | haha |
| 20:39.09 | kuba_ | and i am the polish man who starts with linux |
| 20:39.12 | kuba_ | :))) |
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| 20:39.36 | teclo | Is it possible to use debmirror together with apt-proxy ? |
| 20:39.52 | \amethyst | kuba_: my advisor is Polish, but ja nie moviÄ™ po polsku |
| 20:39.52 | kuba_ | mĂ³wisz:))) |
| 20:39.53 | Szeraax | so i tried typing in the source mirror for apt and now i am getting malformed source list |
| 20:40.06 | mfrisch | !sources |
| 20:40.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 20:40.10 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: alright, sorry to take you on such a long unnecessary tangent. Yeah, I guess you need to get these ati drivers installed... not necessarily an easy thing, and I have little experience in the arena |
| 20:40.16 | \amethyst | kuba_: That and "dobra zupa" are the two phrases I learned when I visited Warsaw :) |
| 20:40.20 | helo | \amethyst: bash: /usr/bin/man: Argument list too long ;) |
| 20:40.21 | HostilePenguin | what is the newest kernel for lenny? |
| 20:40.23 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 20:40.44 | tvynr | Icedove 1.5.0.9 is not giving me a pop-up alert when I receive new mail. Is the Linux version of Thunderbird incapable of doing this? |
| 20:40.44 | helo | educational indeed |
| 20:40.45 | kuba_ | \amethyst: :))) |
| 20:40.45 | \amethyst | helo: This was a long time ago, before there were so many manpages, but you could start with man xargs :) |
| 20:40.56 | helo | heh |
| 20:41.19 | jerb | will dpkg -l \*ssh\* show me if I have ssh installed? |
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| 20:41.26 | Vasistha | jerb: yes, it should |
| 20:41.32 | kuba_ | \amethyst: so you come from USA? |
| 20:41.33 | HostilePenguin | is 2.6.18-4 the newest testing kernel? |
| 20:41.34 | MANITOU | have problem with wireless ? cant start my card ? tryed with ifconfig up ! |
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| 20:41.38 | \amethyst | jerb: yes, you're looking for i in the first column |
| 20:41.40 | \amethyst | kuba_: yes |
| 20:41.54 | Vasistha | jerb: I tend to use quotes instead of escaping ... dpkg -l '*ssh*' ... but to each his own |
| 20:41.56 | dutchfish | jerb, what about dpkg -l | grep ssh |
| 20:41.58 | \amethyst | jerb: second column, sorry |
| 20:42.17 | capiira | HostilePenguin: yeah 2.6.18-4 |
| 20:42.33 | jelly-home | \amethyst: actually, i in the second column |
| 20:42.38 | nn-away | hi all |
| 20:42.44 | kuba_ | O KURWA |
| 20:42.47 | \amethyst | jelly-home: beat you to it :) |
| 20:43.01 | \amethyst | doh, you beat me to it this time |
| 20:43.03 | jerb | Thanks. I was going off of a poorly written doc which is why the escapes are there. |
| 20:43.07 | HostilePenguin | when will they give testing a new kernel? |
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| 20:43.19 | jerb | so dpkg -l '*ssh*' is the same? |
| 20:43.23 | jelly-home | kuba_: mind your language! |
| 20:43.28 | HostilePenguin | i thought 2.6.20 came with lenny |
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| 20:43.34 | capiira | dunno when the right time comes |
| 20:43.37 | \amethyst | HostilePenguin: it's not in unstable yet :) |
| 20:43.49 | dutchfish | HostilePenguin, give the guys a shor break plz ;) |
| 20:43.50 | HostilePenguin | my bad for thinking |
| 20:43.51 | \amethyst | HostilePenguin: it's got to go into unstable and then migrate to testing |
| 20:43.53 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 20:43.54 | Vasistha | HostilePenguin: when it has few enough bugs to pass from unstable to testing, and the kernel maintainers find the time to put it in there |
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| 20:44.16 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 20:44.16 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:44.26 | mfrisch | Vasistha: your late! |
| 20:44.33 | Vasistha | mfrisch: "you're" |
| 20:45.01 | kuba_ | \amethyst: thank you for helping.see you in Poland:) |
| 20:45.02 | dkr | he was telling him about his coffee |
| 20:45.09 | kekePower | your late "granduncle" |
| 20:45.23 | jetscreamer | you're late, granduncle |
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| 20:45.27 | \amethyst | it's kind of like "my bad" |
| 20:45.41 | Vasistha | as in, my bad cat peed on the carpet |
| 20:45.43 | \amethyst | "your late", "his incomprehensible", etc. |
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| 20:45.50 | kekePower | what the hell... drink bear |
| 20:45.55 | dkr | thanks a latte |
| 20:45.56 | kuba_ | bye everyone |
| 20:45.58 | jetscreamer | bear piss? |
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| 20:46.11 | kekePower | that's my bad :P |
| 20:46.50 | Vasistha | or ... or, my bad cat peed on ... oh, heck: http://comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20070408.html |
| 20:47.13 | jelly-home | all you're grammer are belong to... |
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| 20:48.18 | kekePower | lol |
| 20:48.32 | jetscreamer | my bad, my cat peed on you |
| 20:48.33 | kekePower | I didn't know about that until quite recently |
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| 20:48.56 | jetscreamer | (and i let it) |
| 20:49.14 | jetscreamer | grammar |
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| 20:49.30 | omg0_ | I got this from the Belkin techsupport about my wireless card. It might be helpfull if someone could post it somewhere: for F5D7010 Version 1000 is Broadcom, Version 3000 is Ralink RT2500 |
| 20:49.31 | omg0_ | Version 6000 is Ralink RT2527, RT2561T (RT61). |
| 20:49.55 | kuba_ | \amethyst: one more thing-now i use ubuntu, which debian would you recommend for me???? |
| 20:49.55 | jetscreamer | wiki wiki wiki |
| 20:49.58 | jetscreamer | !wiki |
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| 20:50.03 | jetscreamer | etch |
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| 20:50.41 | omg0_ | http://www.belkin.com/contact/milan/default1.aspx?id=5F585F0D57580E5F5858560E5B5C0D5B305F5E |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | omg0_: m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 20:51.17 | omg0_ | abrotman, what is that? |
| 20:51.27 | jetscreamer | probably what you need to do |
| 20:51.30 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 20:51.45 | mfrisch | module-assistant |
| 20:51.49 | jetscreamer | ok enough of this getting paid while irc'ing crap |
| 20:51.52 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 20:51.53 | omg0_ | ah |
| 20:52.01 | wjohn | after i removed a faulty drive in my raid5 i added a new one but mdadm adds it as spare, when i try to run the array it tells me mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md3: Input/output error; what should i do to get this running? |
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| 20:54.12 | wintix | wjohn: pastebin the output of 'cat /proc/mdstat' and 'mdadm --detail /dev/md3' |
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| 20:59.05 | jenipapo | Hi all |
| 20:59.23 | omg0_ | abrotman, bummer I have a version 1000 |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:59.38 | minerale | I'm running sarge just fine on a production system -- how long before support ends (and when does the service pack come out ) |
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| 20:59.42 | abrotman | that's as much as i know about it |
| 20:59.45 | jenipapo | Is there a file whare i can find list of installed packets without using dpkg -l? |
| 20:59.48 | abrotman | minerale: hopefully a year |
| 20:59.57 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 20:59.57 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 21:00.27 | omg0_ | abrotman: Belkin F5D7010 which is a version 1000 which is Broadcom chipset |
| 21:00.27 | minerale | abrotman: a year for the sevice pack -- or a year of support ? |
| 21:00.28 | \amethyst | jenipapo: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:00.45 | jenipapo | thank you \amethyst |
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| 21:01.02 | Vasistha | oh yes, my question -- I'd like to do an install on a machine that doesn't have net access. Contradictory as it may seem, I'm thinking the CD I want is the net install CD -- because I already have a cache of all the packages that I'll want to install on that machine, and I figured I would grab them from a usb drive. Is there anything I need to know before I attempt the install? |
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| 21:01.37 | Shaun2222 | what is ran when you first install deb and you go through the blue screen and configure things? |
| 21:01.46 | Canute | Is there a command to check how much disc space a specific folder (recursivly of course) have used? |
| 21:01.54 | Shaun2222 | i installed debian from debootstrap and now i need to go through that process... |
| 21:02.30 | mfrisch | Canute: df -h |
| 21:02.31 | \amethyst | Canute: du -h |
| 21:02.31 | Canute | :o |
| 21:02.31 | \amethyst | df is for whole filesystems |
| 21:02.32 | abrotman | minerale: woody got about a year |
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| 21:02.42 | mfrisch | Vasistha: you can put them in /var/cache/apt/archives then run that command for clone |
| 21:02.42 | abrotman | omg0_: no hablo englais! |
| 21:02.49 | solar_sea | How do I install & compile a debian source package ? I want to install this one [http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qucs.html] as the binary package version is too old. |
| 21:02.56 | mfrisch | Vasistha: on the other machine |
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| 21:03.02 | abrotman | Shaun2222: base-config? tasksel ? |
| 21:03.09 | abrotman | !tell solar_sea about source |
| 21:03.11 | Kervan | Hi. Which package includes The "X" executable |
| 21:03.17 | abrotman | solar_sea: oh .. wait |
| 21:03.29 | abrotman | solar_sea: /msg dpkg mg |
| 21:03.40 | omg0_ | abrotman: si habla espaniol |
| 21:03.41 | Shaun2222 | abrotman: ya probably base-config, i dont see it though on etch.. |
| 21:03.49 | \amethyst | Kervan: x11-common |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | omg0_: eh .. no |
| 21:03.52 | Vasistha | mfrisch: I don't quite follow. what's this clone command? |
| 21:03.53 | JanCux | solar: apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 21:03.56 | abrotman | Shaun2222: it's gone |
| 21:04.00 | Kervan | eyvallah |
| 21:04.03 | JanCux | apt-get source -b <package> |
| 21:04.06 | solar_sea | abrotman, thanks |
| 21:04.08 | Vasistha | I'm also wondering if the netinst cd will be able to install a base system without requiring insternet access |
| 21:04.12 | mfrisch | abrotman: whats the clone command? |
| 21:04.13 | Shaun2222 | abrotman: what is run now? |
| 21:04.20 | Vasistha | geez, this 6 second lag sucks |
| 21:04.25 | abrotman | Shaun2222: nothing .. what are oyu actually trying to do |
| 21:04.31 | abrotman | !tell mfrisch about debian clone |
| 21:04.50 | omg0_ | abrotman: Google spanish to english tranlation program here |
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| 21:05.03 | mfrisch | abrotman: I meant for Vasistha ;-) thanks. |
| 21:05.05 | abrotman | omg0_: okay |
| 21:05.09 | abrotman | WHAT! |
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| 21:05.27 | mfrisch | !tell Vasistha about debian clone |
| 21:05.36 | Shaun2222 | abrotman: just go through the setup process and configure a few things.. |
| 21:05.44 | minerale | I have an ActionLaser 1100 Printer from Epson -- the only driver I can find for it is for MsDos -- anyone know where I can find a linux driver ? |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | Shaun2222: well .. it doesn't exist any more .. so ask us how to do it |
| 21:05.58 | mfrisch | abrotman: no. thanks you answered my ? |
| 21:06.00 | nn-away | how long have you been here abrotman |
| 21:06.04 | Shaun2222 | with etch, goign through dselect for dist should i leave it set to stable or put in etch? |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | nn-away: before there was god .. i was here .. |
| 21:06.15 | abrotman | wait .. that's not right |
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| 21:06.16 | JanCux | nihraguk: file a bug report ;-) |
| 21:06.21 | abrotman | nn-away: a few years |
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| 21:06.22 | Vasistha | ah ... yeah, that's not exactly what I want, actually -- I'll rather install a subset of packages. The main question is whether using the netinst CD would demand an internet connection just to finish the install; it sounds as if the answer is "no" :-) |
| 21:06.24 | nihraguk | JanCux: yeah i guess i'll do that |
| 21:06.28 | nn-away | ok |
| 21:06.29 | ryanakca | hmm... is it just me or is etch missing a pile of packages? |
| 21:06.33 | nn-away | thought so |
| 21:06.35 | abrotman | Shaun2222: probably track etch for now |
| 21:06.39 | abrotman | ryanakca: some get removed |
| 21:07.03 | ryanakca | abrotman: ah. So, for a server, should I switch to oldstable, or testing? |
| 21:07.13 | wols | ryanakca: neither? |
| 21:07.14 | abrotman | ryanakca: sarge ? |
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| 21:07.47 | Shaun2222 | abrotman: sshd is disabling procotol 1, trying to figure that one out |
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| 21:08.04 | ryanakca | wols: then what do I do? |
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| 21:08.19 | SheaTara | How do I make the fonts in my ctrl-alt-f? terminals smaller? |
| 21:08.29 | ryanakca | wols: I don't really feel like having to backport a pile of packages |
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| 21:09.19 | earthian | hello again |
| 21:09.22 | wols | ryanakca: you do know that there are no backports for stable yet? (afaik) |
| 21:09.33 | h00t | pls guys try to help me ... i installed "transmission", "qtorrent", "rtorrent" but none of them ever appear in my gnome menu ... even when i restart. i can only start them from terminal ... what am i doing wrong |
| 21:09.34 | minerale | I just tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -- and all I got was a couple packages updated, why is that ? |
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| 21:09.44 | wols | and when you'd use oldstable it would be worse? |
| 21:09.52 | earthian | \amethyst, I am back. There is still no LAN or PCIX in the lspci |
| 21:09.52 | xand | minerale: because that's all that needed updating? |
| 21:10.03 | minerale | xand: i'm running sarge |
| 21:10.08 | earthian | i have successfully updated the bios to latest version |
| 21:10.19 | earthian | not much changed in BIOS |
| 21:10.21 | wols | minerale: maybe you should check if there is "stable" or "etch" in your sources.list? |
| 21:10.26 | ryanakca | wols: well, oldstable has the packages I'm looking, egroupware amoung others |
| 21:10.28 | h00t | earthian: what's the point of that |
| 21:10.34 | xand | wols: stable and etch will give the same thing... |
| 21:10.36 | ZombB | minerale, have you changed your sources list to etch? |
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| 21:10.46 | wols | xand: yes, that's the point |
| 21:10.54 | sohmestra | while upgrading bacula-mysql-director, i was prompted for the mysql database password. I mistyped it, now when I try to configure the package, it no longer asks me for the password, and the configuration fails. How do I reset that? |
| 21:10.57 | earthian | h00t, my network cards are not working. kernel does not see them |
| 21:11.02 | earthian | while they get the power |
| 21:11.03 | earthian | etc |
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| 21:12.22 | mfrisch | earthian: google what the kernel modules are for your nic. compile a new kernel with this. |
| 21:12.44 | wols | earthian: what nics do you have? |
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| 21:12.46 | \amethyst | mfrisch: the problem is the pci-x bridge, not the nic |
| 21:12.55 | earthian | mfrisch, they work with PCI card clot |
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| 21:13.36 | mfrisch | \amethyst: can you use the ndiswrapper hoha for that? |
| 21:14.05 | wols | mfrisch: of course not |
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| 21:14.14 | jair | guys why when i am trying to restart the x11vnc remotely I can not have it working it keeps failing :( |
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| 21:14.50 | mfrisch | wols: no cards work at all? |
| 21:14.54 | jair | I am using the command: x11vnc -rfbauth -shared -forever /path to password file/ |
| 21:15.06 | wols | mfrisch: without a pci-x bridge? how could they? |
| 21:15.09 | jair | and it looks like is trying to start but faild |
| 21:15.20 | minerale | zombb: I have not changed sources to etch ... this is my current sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/431722 |
| 21:15.39 | GhostlyDeath | My computer shuts off when it sits there, how do I change that? |
| 21:15.53 | wols | minerale: change all occurrences of "sarge" to "etch" |
| 21:16.09 | GhostlyDeath | minerale: or change all "sarge" to "stable" |
| 21:16.25 | minerale | wait, change to etch or change to stable ? |
| 21:16.30 | GhostlyDeath | I changed all my "etch" to "testing" |
| 21:16.32 | mfrisch | wols: it's a laptop card for a pc or something? |
| 21:17.06 | GhostlyDeath | Aren't they removing PCMCIA support? |
| 21:17.27 | h00t | pls can anyone help me here ... i installed various torrent clients but none of them ever appear in the gnome menu ... even when i restart. they can only be started from terminall ... what's wrong |
| 21:17.35 | xand | minerale: either will work... stable will always be stable, etch will always be etch |
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| 21:18.47 | \amethyst | h00t: Do they show up in MainMenu -> Debian -> Apps -> Net ? |
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| 21:19.19 | h00t | /amethyst ... no |
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| 21:19.45 | mfrisch | \amethyst: where are they they might not be the path |
| 21:19.52 | Insolit | how can i know what's the debian version of my OS? |
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| 21:20.10 | sohmestra | Insolit: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:20.17 | mfrisch | Insolit: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:20.26 | Insolit | 4.0 |
| 21:20.30 | JiLeT-OsMaN | lsb_release -a |
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| 21:20.46 | MikeJ | could somone point me in the direction of a good irc resource for debian packaging questions? |
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| 21:20.50 | shafire | hi |
| 21:20.56 | Insolit | testing etch :D |
| 21:21.02 | Insolit | thanks JiLeT-OsMaN |
| 21:21.08 | \amethyst | earthian: does dmesg | grep quirk show anything? |
| 21:21.11 | shafire | :D |
| 21:21.12 | JiLeT-OsMaN | yw Insolit |
| 21:21.13 | mfrisch | MikeJ: I think there is a debian developers irc |
| 21:21.19 | shafire | mhm |
| 21:21.24 | \amethyst | earthian: or for that matter dmesg | grep AMD8131 |
| 21:21.27 | earthian | \amethyst, no |
| 21:21.31 | shafire | does debian supports i686? |
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| 21:21.34 | sohmestra | MikeJ: you could try #debian-devel |
| 21:21.40 | MikeJ | thanks |
| 21:21.44 | \amethyst | shafire: what do you mean by i686? |
| 21:21.47 | earthian | and no |
| 21:21.57 | sohmestra | MikeJ: that's just a guess, I don't know if the channel exists or not |
| 21:21.59 | shafire | arch i686 |
| 21:22.03 | shafire | not i386 |
| 21:22.13 | mfrisch | sohmestra: thats it I thing |
| 21:22.14 | MikeJ | 69 members |
| 21:22.15 | mfrisch | think |
| 21:22.17 | \amethyst | shafire: for the kernel, yes |
| 21:22.25 | sohmestra | MikeJ: if it does, it's probably on irc.oftc.org |
| 21:22.33 | shafire | \amethyst, and the packages? |
| 21:22.35 | \amethyst | shafire: Most programs are compiled for 486 and up, though |
| 21:22.46 | shafire | okay |
| 21:22.46 | Insolit | now i ask where can i get debian repositories? |
| 21:22.49 | earthian | !paste |
| 21:22.50 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 21:22.51 | jair | anyone here with very good experience in cisco vpn using on Linux debian or also x11vnc? |
| 21:22.52 | \amethyst | shafire: There are k7 and p6-specific version of certain things like libfftw |
| 21:23.01 | shafire | \amethyst, okay thanks :) |
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| 21:23.14 | JiLeT-OsMaN | insolit etch release? |
| 21:23.45 | earthian | \amethyst, I have this, however in the dmesg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6013 |
| 21:23.52 | Insolit | JiLeT-OsMaN: etch testing |
| 21:24.20 | mfrisch | jair: vpnc is for cisco. |
| 21:24.21 | \amethyst | earthian: try booting with the option it recommends |
| 21:24.21 | earthian | k |
| 21:24.21 | \amethyst | earthian: on the kernel command line |
| 21:24.24 | jair | vpn for cisco |
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| 21:24.46 | Onur | Hi. I have a question. I create a package. The license of program MPL (Mozilla Public Licence). Is it free? If it's free or not, can i ask to upload an maintainer? |
| 21:25.11 | jair | mfrisch: I am using a cisco client vpn on my debian machine and for some reason i can ping the machines but I do not have complete access like web log in http interface log in |
| 21:25.11 | JiLeT-OsMaN | Insolit: lenny is the new testing, etch testing is obsolete :) |
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| 21:25.25 | Insolit | well but that's what i have here :D |
| 21:25.33 | jair | mfrisch: I have another machine exatly the same debian configuration but works properly. |
| 21:25.34 | Insolit | are there no repositories to that one? |
| 21:25.43 | mfrisch | jair: don't know |
| 21:25.54 | JiLeT-OsMaN | Insolit : I'll have too google for that, hold on... |
| 21:25.55 | \amethyst | Onur: it will help if you can prepare the debian package yourself |
| 21:26.14 | sixtymhz | Any particular reason why the linux-kernel-headers and such are 2.9.18-7 and not -4?? Kinda are to build things with that when the kernel we are running is 2.6.18-4 |
| 21:26.22 | \amethyst | Onur: Do you want to be the debian maintainer? |
| 21:26.24 | Insolit | JiLeT-OsMaN: i have a repository mirror here, but i have both testing and etch |
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| 21:26.41 | abrotman | Insolit: paste your sources |
| 21:26.47 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:26.47 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:26.48 | JiLeT-OsMaN | Insolit etch is now the stable version |
| 21:26.52 | \amethyst | Onur: you don't have to be a DD (debian developer) to be a maintainer, you just need a DD sponsor |
| 21:27.14 | chops | sixtymhz: If you're going to cut-and-paste that question from before, you might want to take the opportunity to change "2.9.18" to "2.6.18" :-) |
| 21:27.24 | chops | sixtymhz: Also, I don't know the answer to your question; sorry |
| 21:27.29 | Onur | \amethyst: how can i find a sponsor? |
| 21:27.47 | bzed | !tell Onur about mentors |
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| 21:28.05 | Onur | thanks bzed |
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| 21:28.21 | bzed | Onur: the MPL is not free bt |
| 21:28.28 | bzed | Onur: no chance to get something under MPL into debian |
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| 21:28.48 | bzed | Onur: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 21:29.02 | bzed | dpkg, dfsg-licenses is http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 21:29.03 | dpkg | bzed: okay |
| 21:29.28 | Insolit | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6014 |
| 21:29.37 | \amethyst | Onur: Are you the copyright holder? |
| 21:29.40 | wols | chops: there are tons of 2.6.18-4 headers: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-headers-2.6.18&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 21:29.48 | Insolit | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6014 |
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| 21:30.53 | abrotman | Insolit: you're running unstable/sid |
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| 21:31.08 | kuba_ | \amethyst: are you here? |
| 21:31.16 | Insolit | just reported lsb_release -a results |
| 21:31.23 | jair | guys any of you have have issues upgraing the X86 to xorg in sarge stable 3.1 |
| 21:31.25 | jair | ? |
| 21:31.26 | abrotman | Insolit: you're running unstable/sid |
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| 21:31.34 | abrotman | jair: lots of people |
| 21:31.40 | abrotman | jair: be less vague |
| 21:31.44 | Ronin` | humm, interesting, cant find core pointer anymore |
| 21:31.53 | abrotman | !lose core pointer |
| 21:31.54 | dpkg | core pointer: You Lose. |
| 21:32.01 | abrotman | just not as good as the other bot's |
| 21:32.05 | Onur | bzed \amethyst: ok it's not free. Can it enter the `contrib` depots? |
| 21:32.10 | Ronin` | lots of help there dpkg thanks :) |
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| 21:32.32 | kuba_ | could you tell me what debian version do you use? |
| 21:32.34 | Kervan | I have installed debian with 2 cd. But there was a problem while installing I worked to configure Xf86 manually. And when i run I see this "X connot stat /etc/x11/x no such file or directory aborting then i worket to install X11-common but now I se that there is no x11-common package. How can I fix this |
| 21:32.43 | jair | abrotman: sorry I was trying to run the command "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and I goa message while installing xorg. |
| 21:32.56 | abrotman | use aptitude like you're supposed to for starters |
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| 21:33.14 | abrotman | Kervan: install x-window-system-core ? |
| 21:33.15 | jair | abrotman: the message was saying that the directory "/usr/x11r6/bin" was not empty |
| 21:33.21 | abrotman | jair: do you have opera ? |
| 21:34.06 | jair | abrotman: I empty that directory and run the command again with the option -f and this time installed. But now my gdm is not configured properly |
| 21:34.21 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 21:34.29 | jair | abrotman: I got a message saying that I need to repair my configuration |
| 21:34.31 | markybob | fucking fuck python's a red-headed step child of a language! |
| 21:34.32 | abrotman | Ronin: it's supposed to be :lose core pointer |
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| 21:34.46 | jair | abrotman: what do you mean -a? all? |
| 21:34.52 | nihraguk | markybob: why'd you say that? |
| 21:34.57 | bzed | Onur: no |
| 21:35.01 | bzed | !tell Onur about contrib |
| 21:35.02 | SDBolts21n56 | i am trying to run X over SSH on my windows XP box using Putty? Can I do that? |
| 21:35.08 | kuba_ | so could anyone tell me what debian version do you use? |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | kuba_: please use etch |
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| 21:35.40 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: yup. mingx is good for tunneling X too |
| 21:35.42 | Onur | hmm ok bzed thanks |
| 21:35.48 | markybob | nihraguk: worst online documentation i've ever seen. error reporting is on crack. and i dont care what you're smoking, a "tab" in the or lack thereof should not cause the whole thing to crash down! |
| 21:35.49 | Ronin | and how to fix it? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was the way i knew |
| 21:35.50 | wintix | SDBolts21n56: get a windows X server and tunnel X over ssh. |
| 21:35.58 | pickcoder | mfrisch: you can run X on Windows? |
| 21:36.17 | mfrisch | pickcoder: yup two ways cygwin and mingx |
| 21:36.18 | PaSurf | on exiting etch the screen does not clear. Is there a config file that will clear the screen so know one can see the previous commands? |
| 21:36.25 | pickcoder | cygwin.. eek |
| 21:36.38 | jair | abrotman: should i do: dpkg --configure -a xorg? |
| 21:36.39 | xand | PaSurf: type... clear |
| 21:36.43 | mfrisch | mingx is more portable. |
| 21:36.47 | ApEtc | PaSurf: Cheap way is to put clear in your .bash_logout (assuming you are using bash) |
| 21:36.49 | nihraguk | markybob: you're talking about python the programming language? i've found its online documentation pretty useful, as well as its error reporting... its use of whitespace does take a little getting used to |
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| 21:37.03 | markybob | nihraguk: i'm certainly not talking about a snake |
| 21:37.03 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, windows X server on the linux box is all ready install, i am try to tunnel using putty. But does not work? |
| 21:37.11 | abrotman | or just do what i said ? |
| 21:37.19 | jair | what? |
| 21:37.24 | jair | dpkg --configure -a? |
| 21:37.28 | wintix | SDBolts21n56: you need a X server on your windows box. |
| 21:37.30 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, I will try mingx because i am not getting putty to work |
| 21:37.31 | wols | markybob: there is tons of python docs. whole ebooks and tutuorials for it even |
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| 21:37.46 | liam2 | It's xming isn't it? |
| 21:37.47 | wiikki | Hello |
| 21:37.56 | markybob | wols: yes, i know that. in particular i'm talking about the official docs sucking ass |
| 21:37.59 | PaSurf | xand: On etch I understand that the screen gets cleared on exit, but there is a command or config file that has that info. I understand how to clear the screen while logged in.. |
| 21:38.04 | abrotman | markybob: i agree |
| 21:38.14 | markybob | abrotman: thank you! |
| 21:38.19 | jair | abrotman: I think the issue have to be with xorg and XF86 |
| 21:38.22 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, OHHHH a X server on the windows box? I didn;t know that. Do you have a new of one? |
| 21:38.25 | minerale | ok, I updated my sources.list to reflect "etch" instead of "sarge" when I did apt-get update I got 404 not found errors ... link to sources.list + error: http://pastebin.ca/431765 |
| 21:38.30 | wiikki | How can i configurate my wireless ?? |
| 21:38.30 | abrotman | jair: i think it's your fault! |
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| 21:38.31 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: puty and mingx diiid you set X forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd.config? |
| 21:38.33 | bzed | Onur: not sure if MPL is accepted in non-free, though |
| 21:38.34 | wols | markybob: they're good. tutorial full lib docs and extension guide |
| 21:38.37 | wols | I like them |
| 21:38.38 | earthian | !paste |
| 21:38.38 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 21:38.52 | minerale | can someone give me a clean sources.list for etch? |
| 21:38.55 | wintix | SDBolts21n56: try what mfrisch tells you :) |
| 21:39.14 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, i will look |
| 21:39.17 | wiikki | In iwconfig shoe me like wlan0 and i setted like sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid name key etc... now appears in ifconfig, but how can i choose to primary ? |
| 21:39.23 | lontra | minerale: what's that non-us stuff? i think that's obsolete stuff now |
| 21:39.33 | wiikki | to use it? because ping www.google.com , doesn't work " unknown host www.google.com " |
| 21:39.36 | wols | minerale: only use the ftp.XX.debian.org line(s) in your sources.list |
| 21:39.38 | wiikki | i guess isn't working |
| 21:39.47 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, oh mingx is a windows x server for Windows? |
| 21:39.49 | jair | abrotman: Thanks now why is my fault? because I ran apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:39.58 | wols | wiikki: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:40.05 | wols | wiikki: add a nameserver there |
| 21:40.06 | SDBolts21n56 | wintix, mfrisch, Thanks! |
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| 21:40.25 | earthian | can somebody help me with the PCI-X bus that is not loading my NIC devices? My lspci and dmesg is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6015 |
| 21:40.29 | minerale | can someone give me a clean sources.list for etch? --- my existing sarge setup had /debian-non-US for years |
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| 21:40.37 | Onur | bzed: Wrong question. ok it's not free. Can it enter the `non-free` depots? |
| 21:40.41 | bzed | Onur: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/03/msg00551.html doesn't tell much about having MPL stuff in non-free or not, but you probably want to search trough the debian-legal list archives or ask there |
| 21:41.10 | Onur | ok ok thanks bzed |
| 21:41.10 | abrotman | jair: it's either yours or the DDs .. and who would you like me to blame? :) |
| 21:41.23 | dragonriot | I need assistance with installing Debian on an IBM eServer xSeries 345 2U Rack Server. I have as yet been unable to find an appropriate driver for the SCSI controller, and so I can't install anything. |
| 21:41.45 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, i am searching for mingx i am not find anything close to a x server. |
| 21:41.48 | wols | dragonriot: what does lspci say? |
| 21:41.52 | abrotman | dragonriot: we'd ahve to know the controller |
| 21:41.55 | liam2 | SDBolts21n56: Xming |
| 21:41.58 | wols | SDBolts21n56: xming |
| 21:41.59 | abrotman | dragonriot: and which verseion of debian you're installing |
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| 21:42.13 | dragonriot | wols... lets see... the name of the controller is IBM Ultra320 RAID |
| 21:42.14 | SDBolts21n56 | liam2, wols, thanks! |
| 21:42.15 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: sorry |
| 21:42.18 | dragonriot | woops... |
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| 21:42.30 | abrotman | dragonriot: probably ips if it's ServeRaid |
| 21:42.35 | dragonriot | sorry... IBM Ultra320 SCSI - it uses LSI Logic |
| 21:42.41 | minerale | Ok guys, it would take a second to cat /etc/apt/sources.list and put it into pastebin.ca -- could someone with etch do that for me? (my current errors: http://pastebin.ca/431765 ) |
| 21:42.44 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, it cool. I just learned a lot from you. :) |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | or not ... |
| 21:42.47 | abrotman | dragonriot: which installer ? |
| 21:42.52 | omg0_ | man make |
| 21:42.55 | wiikki | wols what do you mean with add a newserver |
| 21:42.57 | dragonriot | Debian NetInst Etch |
| 21:43.00 | abrotman | minerale: no more non-us |
| 21:43.01 | wiikki | nameserver * |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | minerale: hasn't been for years |
| 21:43.15 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: you can grap the exes and put them on a flash too |
| 21:43.20 | bzed | Onur: http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ is the alioth project which takes care of non-free stuff, normally they have a list at alioth, too - so you could ask there |
| 21:43.24 | wols | wiikki: nameserver. not newserver (sic) |
| 21:43.31 | minerale | abrotman: I just did a non-us update a few seconds ago with that sources.list... can you give me yours ? |
| 21:43.33 | wols | minerale: remove non-us. doesn't exist anymore |
| 21:43.38 | SDBolts21n56 | Is xmings the best, are there others? |
| 21:43.46 | wols | !best |
| 21:43.46 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 21:43.52 | dragonriot | IPS worked... |
| 21:43.57 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: its just good enough |
| 21:44.00 | abrotman | minerale: it doesn't exist anymore .. comment it out |
| 21:44.09 | dragonriot | nevermind, it didn't |
| 21:44.24 | minerale | abrotman: there's several lines there, which ones do I need ? |
| 21:44.27 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, meaning there is a better one? |
| 21:45.02 | SDBolts21n56 | So the Desktop Enviroments are the X clients? |
| 21:45.03 | abrotman | minerale: just comment out the non-us lines |
| 21:45.25 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: cygwin allows compiling of X thats alot more time consuming |
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| 21:46.05 | Pollywog | when was Etch released? |
| 21:46.10 | abrotman | yesterday |
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| 21:46.15 | Pollywog | oic |
| 21:46.19 | Pollywog | great news |
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| 21:46.37 | Hoxzer | :D.... |
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| 21:46.45 | omg0_ | how do I set the time |
| 21:46.52 | Hoxzer | date |
| 21:46.55 | Pollywog | system clock time? |
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| 21:47.06 | omg0_ | yah |
| 21:47.09 | mfrisch | omg0_: ntpdate is good to have too |
| 21:47.33 | Hoxzer | ntpdate takes bandwith and requires connection that is always on or does it? |
| 21:47.47 | dkr | ntpdate is onetime thing, ntpd is one that runs always |
| 21:47.51 | wols | Hoxzer: no |
| 21:47.59 | pickcoder | ntp doesn't take hardly any bandwidth |
| 21:48.00 | Hoxzer | oh |
| 21:48.05 | Hoxzer | ok |
| 21:48.09 | jelly-home | SDBolts21n56: Hummingbird eXceed is a nice commercial X server for Windows |
| 21:48.10 | omg0_ | no internet connection |
| 21:48.18 | wols | ntp is a one of command to set the clock after a ntp server |
| 21:48.19 | mfrisch | Hoxzer: I don't think its alot of bandwidth...dialup does it |
| 21:48.19 | barely | i fu++++ up my xorg configuration |
| 21:48.28 | barely | now i got it working again |
| 21:48.29 | Insolit | anyone knows an IRC channel for openoffice support? |
| 21:48.30 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 21:48.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:48.31 | wols | !tell barely about drxx |
| 21:48.37 | barely | but it doesnt start fluxbox |
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| 21:48.45 | barely | ideas anyone? |
| 21:48.51 | abrotman | why not? |
| 21:48.58 | pickcoder | omg0: you can always use a radio clock reference.. heh |
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| 21:49.39 | omg0_ | pickcoder: How does that help me with setting the date on my system |
| 21:49.40 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, so cygmin is better then xming? I know what compliling means, but I don't know why compiling would be needed. |
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| 21:49.50 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, sorry noob here. :) |
| 21:50.01 | babilen | hi there.. i need a more recent kernel version than provided with the installer... is there a way i can get the installer to use a more recent one? |
| 21:50.09 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: don't just use xming its not better |
| 21:50.13 | barely | dpkg-reconfigure just |
| 21:50.16 | barely | sorry |
| 21:50.23 | abrotman | babilen: than 2.6.18 ? |
| 21:50.39 | SDBolts21n56 | jelly-home, thanks, does eXceed have more freatures then xming? |
| 21:50.40 | pickcoder | omg0_: once you set the date and time, it will keep the time sync'd by the WWVB signals |
| 21:50.46 | babilen | abrotman: yes, unfortunately.... |
| 21:50.50 | pickcoder | if you have a receiver |
| 21:51.03 | pickcoder | so you wouldn't need an internet connection to keep the clock current |
| 21:51.07 | Vasistha | omg0_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Clock.html |
| 21:51.11 | barely | dpkg-reconfigure just asks questions i cannot answer and creates a buggy xorg-conf on this information, |
| 21:51.18 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 21:51.18 | dpkg | i guess custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 21:51.19 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, it is just one of them? thanks for the info. |
| 21:51.21 | omg0_ | pickcoder: I have no internet connection. |
| 21:51.23 | sixtymhz | chops: LOL. thanks for pointhing that out ;) <3 |
| 21:51.29 | sixtymhz | pointing* |
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| 21:51.33 | sixtymhz | sheesh. |
| 21:51.45 | barely | when i change the xorg.conf to the one before it works again (without any errors) |
| 21:51.55 | barely | but no windowmanager |
| 21:52.01 | barely | thats the problem |
| 21:52.06 | mfrisch | eXceed is comercial only? |
| 21:52.14 | pickcoder | omg0_: if you use a WWVB receiver and the radioclk package, you don't need ntp/internet to keep your clock current |
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| 21:52.29 | pickcoder | plus it's much more accurate |
| 21:52.30 | Vasistha | omg0_: I think adjtimex is described in that link I gave you |
| 21:52.47 | pickcoder | just tossing the info out |
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| 21:53.13 | jelly-home | SDBolts21n56: it does, however it's a bit pricey |
| 21:53.14 | babilen | abrotman: thnxs, exactly what i needed! |
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| 21:55.57 | epotash_ | is there a way to create a symlink of the contents of a directory |
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| 21:56.23 | epotash_ | i.e. it will update if new files are added to the original directory |
| 21:56.44 | mfrisch | ln -s /dir dir in pwd |
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| 21:57.17 | epotash_ | if i write to that directory though it will write to the original directory |
| 21:57.18 | epotash_ | no? |
| 21:57.50 | Xenguy | Hi - I've been tracking Testing for the last few months, and I now find that there are a *lot* of updates waiting now that Etch has been released to Stable... is it reasonably safe to bite the bullet and upgrade all these new packages in Testing, or would I be better to wait a bit? |
| 21:58.07 | epotash_ | my situation is i have a downloads folder on my local disk, and a downloads folder on an external disk, i want all the content of the external to appear in the local |
| 21:58.15 | mfrisch | epotash_: yes it will right to /dir |
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| 21:58.57 | sixtymhz | epotash_: setup autofs and an nfs share |
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| 21:59.31 | Stp1800 | Hi. |
| 21:59.36 | sixtymhz | hi Stp1800 |
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| 21:59.54 | epotash_ | hmm maybe ill just link the external downloads directory to a subdir in the local |
| 21:59.55 | epotash_ | much easier |
| 22:00.04 | Stp1800 | If I have a system installed on to a drive and I get a second drive, can I convert the installed system over to software raid1 or will I have to reinstall? |
| 22:00.28 | sixtymhz | epotash_: good luck with that. |
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| 22:00.52 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:01.19 | sixtymhz | Stp1800: reinstall. |
| 22:01.57 | Stp1800 | What are my options for doing an automatic install? |
| 22:02.11 | eisen | Xenguy: I'd change it to etch for a while until things settle in testing. |
| 22:02.12 | Stp1800 | I know Fedora has kickstart, what options are there for Debian? |
| 22:02.16 | dragonriot | I got the drives detected in my server... now the issue is how to get my (4) 18.2GB drives to be used as RAID5... |
| 22:02.37 | eisen | dragonriot: it did work now? |
| 22:02.47 | dkr | dragonriot: how is that anissue? sounds like a normal thing to do |
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| 22:03.07 | mfrisch | ! clone debian |
| 22:03.14 | mfrisch | !clone debian |
| 22:03.17 | dragonriot | eisen... didn't even need to select it... I enabled Planar SCSI - wouldn't boot before with it enabled - and it autodetected the drives... |
| 22:03.28 | |zetetic| | hi all. I'm running debian etch but in a couple of months I want to upgrade to debian Lenny. Can someone please point me to a link explaining what I will need to do in order to upgrade from etch to lenny ? |
| 22:03.28 | Xenguy | eisen: yep, that is one option; I'd like to stick with Testing if I can without too much danger :-) |
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| 22:03.44 | dragonriot | dkr... I don't know how to do it... they are detected as individual drives... how does one configure them to be raid5? |
| 22:03.49 | agent | I just noticed that the Debian US mirror does not have a signed Release file! Was this an oversight or am I missing something new here? |
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| 22:04.26 | dragonriot | agent... at least there is an US download site for Debian... Ubuntu Feisty doesn't even have a mirror in the USA yet... |
| 22:04.39 | mfrisch | ha ha |
| 22:04.44 | nivanson | |zetetic|, there is no such thing yet |
| 22:04.51 | crazy_penguin | 'night to all! |
| 22:04.56 | Pollywog | I though we could not say the U word here |
| 22:05.08 | dragonriot | Pollywog... sorry... I was just making a point. =) |
| 22:05.14 | dkr | dragonriot: that is covered in the debian installation guide, it's just a matter of choosing the approriate optiosn during install |
| 22:05.15 | Pollywog | :) |
| 22:05.16 | dragonriot | and why can't we use that word here? |
| 22:05.19 | nivanson | !u |
| 22:05.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:05.41 | ninjabob7 | now that etch is released, do i need to run dist-upgrade? |
| 22:05.44 | agent | Meh, that's Ubuntu.... it's expected.... they have like what, 1 developer per 100 Debian ones? :D |
| 22:05.54 | nivanson | ninjabob7, if you were running etch already, nope |
| 22:06.05 | dragonriot | dkr... I've chosen to use the entire disk with LVM... do I need to choose something else? |
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| 22:06.12 | Zarephath | Hello...If I just download: debian-40r0-powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso I am presuming this will let me get a basic system with kde installed up and running? |
| 22:06.12 | BlueParrot | ninjabob7: what dous your sources.list use ? |
| 22:06.20 | mfrisch | dragonriot: make a seperate /boot |
| 22:06.22 | Pollywog | agent: so they can only screw in 1/50 as many light bulbs |
| 22:06.28 | dkr | dragonriot: yes, the same place you chose lvm, you need to choose raid, :) |
| 22:06.34 | ninjabob7 | right now it says testing |
| 22:06.35 | |zetetic| | nivanson: thanks for your answear. I'm a newby. normally how much time must we wait till we get something expplaining how to upgrade from new stable to new testing ? |
| 22:06.47 | nivanson | ninjabob7, change it to etch then, you don't want to track lenny yet |
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| 22:06.51 | BlueParrot | ninjabob7: I woudl change that to "etch" |
| 22:06.53 | ninjabob7 | and i keep getting messages about packages not authenticated |
| 22:07.05 | nivanson | |zetetic|, you should wait a while for new testing |
| 22:07.06 | agent | ninjabob7: The if you ran an upgrade in the past 48 hours you are not longer running Etch, but you are now running Lenny (Testing). |
| 22:07.14 | ninjabob7 | does it make a difference that i'm using amd64 port? |
| 22:07.14 | BlueParrot | ninjabob7: did you run an upgrade after etch was released ? |
| 22:07.15 | Pollywog | ninjabob7: that is because you need to get the gnupg keys |
| 22:07.19 | Pollywog | see topic |
| 22:07.21 | agent | ninjabob7: Known problem. |
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| 22:07.25 | dragonriot | dkr... there was no option for RAID, but thanks for that... |
| 22:07.31 | ninjabob7 | ok |
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| 22:07.55 | BlueParrot | ninjabob7: also, you probably want to change it from saying "testing" and use the name of the release instead |
| 22:08.03 | agent | Pollywog: Actually, it's not new gpg keys that are needed, it's the missing signed Release file on US mirror. Works fine on other main mirrors (well, at least the ones I have checked) |
| 22:08.16 | Pollywog | agent: oic |
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| 22:08.16 | |zetetic| | nivanson: ok, thanks. I thought we already had new testing, cause new testing it's always a copy of the most recent stable |
| 22:08.23 | Insolit | anyone using synaptic can explain me possible reasons to not being able to force a specific software version? |
| 22:08.30 | agent | So where do I report the missing signed Release file on the US mirror? |
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| 22:08.37 | nivanson | |zetetic|, testing will go through some rough engineering soon, don't use it |
| 22:08.46 | dragonriot | dkr... my options are as follows... Guided - Use Entire Disk, Guided - Use Entire Disk and set up LVM, Guided - Use Entire Disk and set up Encrypted LVM, and Manual. |
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| 22:09.28 | SensationBlack | Hello everybody, can you explain me why webmin has been removed in Etch ? |
| 22:09.53 | dkr | dragonriot: ah, no, I meant when you choose the filesystem type for the partition, yu get choices like ext3 or swap, or "partition for lvm" or "partition for RAID", chose the latter, then you will get the top level menu option for configuring raid once you've have some partitions set aside for it |
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| 22:10.10 | nivanson | !tell SensationBlack about webmin |
| 22:10.26 | nite613 | How do I find out what config options the etch PHP5 package was compiled with? |
| 22:10.30 | dragonriot | I've not gotten to the point of choosing file system type yet... I'm still choosing partitions... |
| 22:10.39 | Pollywog | is debhelper the bot? I want to ask something |
| 22:10.41 | dkr | dragonriot: well, you said you chose lvm... |
| 22:10.42 | markybob | nite613: phpinfo() |
| 22:10.45 | yanmorin | nite613, phpinfo(); |
| 22:10.48 | nivanson | Pollywog, whisper dpkg |
| 22:10.51 | Pollywog | k |
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| 22:11.04 | dragonriot | dkr... yes, I'm setting up the partitions in the etch installer... |
| 22:11.11 | omg0_ | what does it mean when you type make and it says 'nothing to be done for "all" ' |
| 22:11.23 | dkr | that you need to read the README |
| 22:11.37 | yanmorin | omg0, no change since last "make" |
| 22:11.43 | omg0_ | thanks |
| 22:11.46 | |zetetic| | nivanson: so just one more question. :) Do you think that normally it is ok to wait till new testing is at least a couple of months old before upgrading from new stable to new testing? Or do you think it is better to wait more time, say something around 6 months? |
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| 22:13.13 | nivanson | |zetetic|, not sure about the timeframe, there probably is none. new libc and some stuff should be in new testing first i believe. why the rush to testing? want newer packages? |
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| 22:13.42 | bzed | |zetetic|: imho you can always run into bad bugs in testing - it's called testing not without any reason.unstable is pretty stable for me since weeks and that's the stuff which is migrating to testing now, so I don't see any big problems. YMMV. |
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| 22:13.55 | ma3x | hi |
| 22:14.08 | ma3x | how do I make the initrd image? |
| 22:14.13 | ma3x | how do I specify the block device |
| 22:14.29 | ma3x | my comp won't boot, says something like waiting 4 secs for /dev/sys/block, something like that... |
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| 22:14.30 | dragonriot | dkr... am I to understand that grub and lilo cannot boot from a RAID5 partition, so I need to make a separate RAID1 partition for /boot ?? |
| 22:14.43 | dkr | dragonriot: no |
| 22:14.53 | dragonriot | errr... / (root) rather... |
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| 22:14.59 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:15.10 | Silensius | hi what's this probleme Atteint http://ftp.ch.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex |
| 22:15.11 | dragonriot | dkr... is this an old article then?? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 |
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| 22:16.54 | Agiofws | my freind was trying a netinstall and he stopped it and now he does not have all the packages installed how can he get back to his netinstall windows in ncurses ? |
| 22:17.00 | bzed | dragonriot: I'd create a raid1 for /boot, a raid5 for swap and a large raid5 to use with lvm |
| 22:17.01 | dkr | hrm, maybe I'm wrong, then. I thought you could pass kernel boot option for which software raid device / was on. I didn't realize had to be raid 1 or 0 |
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| 22:17.24 | chops | dragonriot: I definitely have a machine booting with software raid 5 as / |
| 22:17.30 | |zetetic| | nivanson and bzed: ok, I was running testing without any big problems, for more than 6 months. But now etch had become stable. I thought that if I was running the former testing without any big problems I could also run new testing without big problems, if I waited sometime before upgrading |
| 22:17.44 | jelly-home | dkr: grub has to be able to load kernel and initrd by itself |
| 22:17.45 | chops | dragonriot: I can look into my config for you if you like... what's not working? |
| 22:17.45 | bzed | chops: but not with /boot on the raid5 |
| 22:17.45 | Agiofws | my freind was trying a netinstall and he stopped it and now he does not have all the packages installed how can he get back to his netinstall windows in ncurses ? |
| 22:17.49 | chops | bzed: Oh, certainly not |
| 22:17.52 | Insolit | ma3x: mkinitrd -v -f /boot/initrd-2.6.12-18mdkxen0.img 2.6.12-18mdkxen0 (adapt this line to your case ofc) |
| 22:18.02 | chops | bzed, dragonriot: I would not recommend using any RAID level for /boot |
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| 22:18.10 | bzed | chops: why not? |
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| 22:18.19 | chops | bzed: Because you'll make a hassle for yourself :-) |
| 22:18.24 | dragonriot | chops... nothing's not working yet... I'm still trying to figure out how to install debian on a "true" server... heh |
| 22:18.30 | nivanson | |zetetic|, when testing becomes stable the new testing will be turned upside down and inside out for a while. the stable you have been running for month has been close to release all the time right? ;) |
| 22:18.51 | bzed | chops, dragonriot: you usually install grub on all disks, with /booot in a raid1 across all disks grub should be able to bott, not depending on the disk it's ooting from |
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| 22:19.34 | dragonriot | chops... I have a x345 eServer with (4) 18.2GB drives and (2) 73GB drives, and want to run the 18.2GB drives as the OS drives in RAID5, and the 73GB drives either striped or single drives... |
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| 22:20.08 | bzed | dragonriot: why not use lvm across the 73G drives? |
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| 22:20.20 | dragonriot | bzed... that too.. =) |
| 22:20.42 | chops | bzed: I've always installed /boot without RAID... if you lose your MBR on disk 0, you're going to need a rescue disk anyway... but what you say does sound like a nice way to recover from failure |
| 22:21.01 | bzed | exactly chops |
| 22:21.08 | bzed | if you disk is broken, your system will boot |
| 22:21.10 | |zetetic| | nivanson: ok, you are right. :) But that probably means that only I have to do is wait... perhaps wait something around 6 months and only then upgrade from etch to lenny... perhaps after around 6 months lenny will be already enouph stable... |
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| 22:21.43 | bzed | dragonriot: and for the 18.2G drives: I'd create a 100M boot partition, 2G swap and one partition with the rest on all drives. /boot as raid1, the others as raid 5 |
| 22:21.44 | chops | bzed: Do you install grub MBRs on all disks as well? |
| 22:21.45 | jelly-home | bzed: possibly with some nudging the bios to choose another drive to boot |
| 22:21.47 | dragonriot | so I should make a 100MB partition on all 4 18GB drives in RAID1, then the remainder of all those drives can be in RAID5 |
| 22:21.48 | bzed | chops: yes |
| 22:22.04 | bzed | jelly-home: my computer's bios does that. |
| 22:22.14 | dragonriot | bzed... perfect... I will do exactly that. =) |
| 22:22.35 | bzed | dragonriot: you don;t want to have swap within a lvm on a raid5, that adds another DM layer and reduceses speed |
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| 22:23.04 | bzed | dragonriot: create a swap raid on it's own. probably a raid 10 is faster if you have the extra space, not sure, though |
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| 22:23.45 | bzed | jelly-home: if you ahve all drives in the boot order of your bios it'll jsut continue with the next one if there's no first drive or it's not bootable |
| 22:25.00 | dragonriot | bzed... I have created the 100mb partition on all 4 drives, and now I'm creating non-raided swap partitions on each drive right? |
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| 22:25.29 | dragonriot | bzed... 2GB total swap, so 512MB for each drive? |
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| 22:26.09 | bzed | dragonriot: with raid 5 and 4 drives you need 2G/3 as partition size |
| 22:26.42 | Ronin | shite |
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| 22:26.43 | bzed | dragonriot: so it would be 682M or something like that, probably just use 700, more easy to remember ;_) |
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| 22:27.05 | dragonriot | Ronin... www.drinkronin.com |
| 22:27.37 | dragonriot | bzed... ok |
| 22:27.49 | Ronin | why the crap can it not found core pointer |
| 22:29.01 | jelly-home | dragonriot: I would suggest using raid1 for swap partitions |
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| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | dragonriot: unless you like your system hanging when any one disk goes byebye |
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| 22:30.11 | bzed | jelly-home: uh? raid5 should protect you from that |
| 22:30.22 | jelly-home | bzed: raid5 on swap? why oh why? |
| 22:30.26 | DocPlatypus | RAID for swap is silly |
| 22:30.30 | DocPlatypus | to me, anyway |
| 22:30.38 | bzed | DocPlatypus: definitely not |
| 22:30.38 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: definitely NOT silly |
| 22:31.11 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: "unless you like your system hanging when any one disk goes byebye" |
| 22:31.15 | darkskiez | is there any good debhelper docs? |
| 22:31.17 | bzed | DocPlatypus: if the drive with your swap partition breaks, your machine will crash. not good. |
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| 22:31.52 | dragonriot | I've got all 4 drives partitioned as 100mb, 17.4GB, 700MB - K raid on all partitions... will I now get a chance to tell the installer what raid type I want to use for each partition? |
| 22:32.18 | bzed | dragonriot: first thing you do is to select Linux raid autodetect as type for all partitions |
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| 22:32.39 | rolandlakr | ugg |
| 22:32.40 | bzed | dragonriot: then you can create the raindsets |
| 22:32.41 | dragonriot | they are all selected as Use as Linux RAID |
| 22:32.45 | bzed | ok |
| 22:33.06 | dragonriot | so the next step is creating the raid sets and the raid types right? |
| 22:33.10 | bzed | yes |
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| 22:34.25 | bzed | you put the partitions with the same numbers in one raid group and select the right raid level |
| 22:34.26 | bzed | jelly-home: I'm just not sure if it' |
| 22:34.26 | dragonriot | ok |
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| 22:34.39 | bzed | s better to use raid5 or raid1 for swap. with raid5 writing is faster than on raid1, but reading is slower than on raid1. I think raid5 is a good mix if you can't use raind10 |
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| 22:34.47 | rolandlakr | I'm setting debian etch up on my computer again but I want to do the partitions properly. Anyone have a decent guide? |
| 22:34.56 | dragonriot | RAID1 for /boot, RAID5 for / and RAID1 for swap? |
| 22:35.10 | jelly-home | bzed: I use two separate raid1 swaps. ;-) |
| 22:35.27 | dragonriot | I can't use RAID10... and I will be using 2 separate RAID1 swaps... |
| 22:35.39 | dragonriot | I don't like having ONE swap if I can help it |
| 22:35.43 | jelly-home | bzed: over 4 disks like here, and let kernel choose which one to write to |
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| 22:35.50 | DocPlatypus | of course if you really want reliability, bulk up the RAM and run without swap |
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| 22:36.03 | empath | yay 4.0... damn im late! |
| 22:36.08 | bzed | dragonriot: then I'd create 1G partitions for swap, or you'll end up wiuth 1.4G for swap |
| 22:36.11 | DocPlatypus | RAM *usually* tends to be much more reliable than hard disk, no? |
| 22:36.18 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: some apps want to have swap *cough*oracle*cough* |
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| 22:36.53 | bzed | DocPlatypus: not to forget that sometimes you can't afford enough ram *patting the 2G extra swap* |
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| 22:37.16 | DocPlatypus | bzed: on this desktop I have no idea if I can still get RAM for it |
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| 22:37.34 | bzed | dragonriot: although in your case I'd justr create some more swap on the other disks if you can, will be faster |
| 22:37.34 | DocPlatypus | and it only has 128M |
| 22:37.45 | bzed | DocPlatypus: see, another reason to have a good swap ;) |
| 22:38.00 | LookTJ | where can find the sid ISO images? |
| 22:38.20 | Ronin | LookTJ: you cant, there arent any |
| 22:38.21 | dragonriot | bzed... I have 1GB of RAM, so 2GB of swap would be good, eh? |
| 22:38.34 | DocPlatypus | bzed: depends on what you're doing |
| 22:38.42 | archville | safe way toi backup my system ? (/dev/hda1) |
| 22:39.04 | LookTJ | Ronin: why not? |
| 22:39.05 | DocPlatypus | I have a 543M swap here |
| 22:39.26 | Ronin | LookTJ: it changes too often for them to do it iirc |
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| 22:39.41 | LookTJ | hmm ok |
| 22:39.48 | rolandlakr | Does anyone have a guide or some tips for setting up the partitions for debian? |
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| 22:40.14 | MagusKn | what's the best program for receiving rss feeds? |
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| 22:40.36 | mfrisch | MagusKn: depends I like knewsticker |
| 22:40.39 | yanmorin | MagusKn: netcat |
| 22:40.58 | jelly-home | yanmorin: wget is better. |
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| 22:41.14 | yanmorin | jelly-home, too much high level |
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| 22:41.31 | bzed | dragonriot: I managed to fill 1G of ram and 2 G of swap on my desktop |
| 22:41.50 | jelly-home | yanmorin: at least it talks the correct line protocol |
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| 22:41.53 | bzed | dragonriot: I've added an extra 4G piece from the lvm part with a low priority |
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| 22:46.55 | dragonriot | bzed... should I use 3 active and 1 spare for /boot, or 4 active in RAID1? |
| 22:47.25 | bzed | dragonriot: for boot? just use 4 active |
| 22:47.29 | dragonriot | ok |
| 22:47.53 | bzed | dragonriot: the disk will run anyway, and syncing one disk just becuase another one fails.. not sure if you need that :P |
| 22:48.04 | dragonriot | and 3 active 1 spare for RAID5, correct? |
| 22:48.23 | dragonriot | or can that also be run as 4 active? |
| 22:48.28 | TonyStark | good night |
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| 22:49.02 | bzed | dragonriot: on the raid5 it depends on how fast you can get a new disk in. with a spare you loose a lot of space... I'd run it with 4 active - but I know that I'd have a replacement disk in there fast |
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| 22:49.21 | TonyStark | I'm arunning testing, and since tody, i get this message when dist-upgrading:WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! "" |
| 22:49.35 | dragonriot | bzed... I have 2 extra drives, so how fast would it have to be replaced? |
| 22:49.49 | dragonriot | 3 extra drives actually |
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| 22:50.02 | bzed | dragonriot: before the next one dies :P |
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| 22:50.06 | dragonriot | lol |
| 22:50.12 | dragonriot | bzed... good point... =) |
| 22:50.33 | omg0_ | what's the command to search for a directory or your computer? |
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| 22:50.43 | bzed | !tell omg0 about search |
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| 22:51.07 | omg0_ | locate used to be it long long time ago |
| 22:51.12 | bzed | omg0: err, the search term from dpkg is the debian search part |
| 22:51.17 | bzed | there's still locate |
| 22:51.22 | bzed | or use find |
| 22:51.41 | Insolit | if i tar a whole drive, decompressing that tar to another drive will mirror the source drive right? |
| 22:52.12 | dragonriot | bzed... would you suggest an extra couple GB of LVM swap space on the 73GB drives? |
| 22:52.17 | darkskiez | Insolit: i think u have to be careful with the options you use to archive and extract ti. |
| 22:52.43 | darkskiez | also, fifo's wont get copied |
| 22:52.48 | bzed | dragonriot: why not. depends on what you're using the machine for. |
| 22:52.51 | Niklas- | Insolit: dont know how it handles symlinks, but if it does i dont see a problem if you remember to preserve file rights |
| 22:53.01 | dragonriot | bzed... VMWare |
| 22:53.02 | dragonriot | =) |
| 22:53.20 | Insolit | well tar preserves files rights |
| 22:53.23 | dragonriot | there is a tar option to make an image of the drive... |
| 22:53.32 | dragonriot | man tar |
| 22:53.35 | Insolit | ok |
| 22:53.38 | Niklas- | yeah that works great, but i'm not sure about symlinks |
| 22:53.46 | Insolit | ill look for that thanks dragonriot |
| 22:53.54 | Niklas- | oh nice to know, thanks for that dragonriot :-) |
| 22:53.57 | dragonriot | Niklas-... it preserves symlinks too... I just did that for my /usr drive |
| 22:54.08 | dragonriot | =) |
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| 22:54.48 | bzed | dragonriot: eeeew why vmware? do you really need windows? if not, use xen or any oher (para)virtualization |
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| 22:56.37 | dragonriot | bzed... yeah, I really do need Windows.... |
| 22:56.56 | Ronin | stew it finds it as a ps2 mouse eventhough its usb, x does start but i only see the cursor i have no control of it, |
| 22:57.37 | dragonriot | I may use Qemu, as I understand it now handles virtualization hardware inherently, though I don't know if my procs support it... Dual 2.4GHz P4 Xeons |
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| 22:58.00 | drfrog666 | hi all quick question |
| 22:58.05 | Insolit | dragonriot: could you tell me what args allow to make an image of a drive? |
| 22:58.06 | dragonriot | bzed... intention is to run Windows 2003 Server |
| 22:58.06 | drfrog666 | is there a deb for mac2unix? |
| 22:58.07 | Insolit | *allow me |
| 22:58.11 | TonyStark | I'm arunning testing, and since tody, i get this message when dist-upgrading:WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! "" |
| 22:58.31 | dragonriot | Insolit... hold |
| 22:59.08 | stew | Ronin: modprobe usbmouse |
| 22:59.47 | h3xis | if i had my apt sources.list set to testing, and not etch, before etch released, i'm still running testing (lenny) now, right? or do i have to do anything special? |
| 23:00.35 | dragonriot | my bad Insolit... I don't know the method for tar... if you already have your new drive installed, the cp command has an imaging function, which is what I used... sorry for the confusion... |
| 23:00.53 | drfrog666 | is there a pkg for mac2unix or am i gonna have to inst manually?? |
| 23:00.58 | Ronin | stew sweet, now for my next stupid question of the evening, write it to xorg.conf so i always get one? |
| 23:01.04 | TonyStark | h3xis, nothing special, you're running testing |
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| 23:01.19 | dragonriot | Insolit... 'cp -a --preserve /dev/drive /dev/newdrive' will work |
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| 23:01.57 | dragonriot | Insolit... alternatively, 'cp -a --preserve /usr /tmp/usr' etc... |
| 23:02.06 | GhostlyDeath | When is debian going to get GNOME 2.18 |
| 23:02.07 | Insolit | cp? |
| 23:02.07 | GhostlyDeath | ? |
| 23:02.13 | Insolit | i was talking about tar dragonriot |
| 23:02.13 | dragonriot | yep... copy... |
| 23:02.17 | h3xis | TonyStark, okay, does the file /etc/debian_version have any meaning per chance if i am running testing? it says 4.0 now but will it change some time down the road? |
| 23:02.17 | DocPlatypus | GhostlyDeath: probably in lenny |
| 23:02.18 | drfrog666 | is there a pkg for mac2unix or am i gonna have to inst manually?? |
| 23:02.26 | Insolit | oh ok dragonriot |
| 23:02.30 | dragonriot | Insolit... I know... and I can't find the method for tar |
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| 23:02.42 | Insolit | the problem with tar is that it seems to follow symlinks |
| 23:03.13 | TonyStark | h3xis, uh, I'm afraid I don't know, It's ben a long time ago since I started to not care about that little things ;D |
| 23:03.22 | h3xis | TonyStark, haha okay |
| 23:03.27 | dragonriot | bzed... is there any specific method for Volume Group names, or do you just call them something like "Big Drive" and "swap"?? |
| 23:03.40 | omg0_ | when my coputer boots up it shows its starting pcmcia but when I did a locate it is only coming up int /var/cache/locate/lcatedb |
| 23:04.19 | stew | Ronin: list those two modules in /etc/modules |
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| 23:04.26 | bzed | dragonriot: the names are all on your own. you probably want to remember somehow which drive in your case is in which volume group ;) |
| 23:04.28 | omg0_ | oops its saying locate db is more than 8 days old |
| 23:04.34 | dragonriot | =) |
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| 23:05.00 | bzed | dragonriot: also: if you want to add swap, you probably want to use md raid 1 on a partition of 2-3 disks |
| 23:05.05 | Kervan | hi I have installed x-window-system-common and i have configured with xf86cfg. I can use twm but i cannot start kdeinit. I se This error "kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set" What can I do. I think Xserver is configured... |
| 23:05.09 | namit_hom1 | I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and have to run it for good few months only been running apt-get update apt-get upgrade now just red man page and it says under dist-upgrade and it says for a mechanism for overriding the gernal settigns for individual packages but i do not want to overwrite my settings. |
| 23:05.15 | doudou1 | hi my computer always says locales are broken or unset, how do i repair this? |
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| 23:05.45 | bzed | doudou1: dpkg-reconfigure locales should help |
| 23:05.59 | doudou1 | thx |
| 23:06.21 | TonyStark | I'm arunning testing, and since today, i get this message when dist-upgrading:WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! "" |
| 23:08.13 | Xenguy | TonyStark: have you installed the debian keyring package (don't recall the exact package) ? |
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| 23:08.17 | Balrok | hi all |
| 23:08.20 | stew | testing is likely to go though some violent changes in the next month or so |
| 23:08.25 | TonyStark | Xenguy, yes, I will check right now |
| 23:08.35 | dragonriot | bzed... what is your opinion on Server File Systems?? I like JFS and XFS, I've never had problems with either, but I want ultimate stability combined with good speed... |
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| 23:08.44 | Balrok | could someone give me repositories for debian 4.0rc0? |
| 23:08.46 | Balrok | :D |
| 23:08.47 | lua- | after a sarge to etch upgrade, is my kernel suppose to be updated to 2.6.18 to? |
| 23:08.55 | doudou1 | bzed: command does not work, says dpkg does not know what to do |
| 23:09.14 | Xenguy | stew: yeah, that's what I was concerned about (just did a 150Mb upgrade on one Testing box; so far so good) |
| 23:09.16 | Primoz | any debian developer (fully accredited) willing to donate some time to upload package update on my behalf (i'm maintainer but not DD)? |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | stew: back so soon ? |
| 23:09.40 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:09.45 | abrotman | !tell Primoz about mentors |
| 23:09.55 | TonyStark | Xenguy, yes, tthay are the last version, then I do "apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and.. it bangs! |
| 23:09.59 | stew | abrotman: for an hour or so. looks like i missed some stuff |
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| 23:10.14 | doudou1 | bzed: says perl setting locales failed |
| 23:10.20 | abrotman | stew: some weird stuff happened yesterday .. papi had two HRs in his first two ABs |
| 23:10.26 | namit_hom1 | anyone know whats with this? apt-get dist-upgrade says it will overwrite the config files is this right? |
| 23:10.28 | Xenguy | TonyStark: hrm, I find those errors annoying; it should be more seamless |
| 23:10.42 | lua- | namit_hom1: new config files for new packages... |
| 23:10.45 | stew | abrotman: and etch got released and sam got elected |
| 23:10.50 | TonyStark | Xenguy, maybe apt-get remove? |
| 23:10.51 | lua- | sometimes the package itself changes or debian changes the conf |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | stew: bah .. those were going to happen no matter what ... |
| 23:11.16 | namit_hom1 | but my custom configuration will not be overwriten? |
| 23:11.16 | Balrok | have anyone repositories for debian etch 4.0? |
| 23:11.17 | abrotman | stew: but two HRs!! .. he had all their RBIs! |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 23:11.22 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 23:11.23 | lua- | back up your old confs and install the new one and then just re-edit them unless you're sure nothng really change |
| 23:11.27 | Xenguy | TonyStark: I honestly don't know; if it were me I would try some web searching to see what advice turns up |
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| 23:11.31 | lua- | namit_hom1: it will, you need to back it up |
| 23:11.58 | namit_hom1 | is there any way to back them up all together |
| 23:12.02 | Balrok | !repositories |
| 23:12.03 | Balrok | xD |
| 23:12.03 | doudou1 | says LANGUAGE=(unset) |
| 23:12.12 | lua- | namit_hom1: yea... copy /etc |
| 23:12.13 | TonyStark | Xenguy, all advices, from 2006, nothing about this one, and nothing about the key procces, nor wehre to find keys or whatever it b eneeded |
| 23:12.14 | Xenguy | !repos |
| 23:12.24 | omg0_ | bzed: what command/syntax would you used to search for the pcmcia dir |
| 23:12.41 | Xenguy | TonyStark: somebody's got to know :-/ |
| 23:12.46 | abrotman | !tell Balrok about sources.list |
| 23:12.48 | namit_hom1 | lua: is that the best way of doing it? |
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| 23:13.02 | lua- | i dont know if it's the best way, it's one way |
| 23:13.04 | Balrok | abrotman thx |
| 23:13.06 | Balrok | ;) |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | Balrok: and you need the security line ... get it from security.debian.org |
| 23:13.22 | TonyStark | Xenguy, yes, maybe, but, do you know some tuorial abouy key-signinig? I don't, do you? |
| 23:13.24 | lua- | make sure you copy - cp not move - mv |
| 23:13.29 | Balrok | i know i know so much thx |
| 23:13.41 | Balrok | im a gentoo user becomed debian lover |
| 23:13.42 | Balrok | :D |
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| 23:13.47 | abrotman | Balrok: i'd guess for you .. ftp.es.debian.org would work |
| 23:14.03 | Balrok | xD |
| 23:14.11 | Balrok | you know more than i expect! |
| 23:14.15 | omg0_ | abrotman: I have an easy one. What command/syntax would you use to search for pcmcia? |
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| 23:14.41 | abrotman | cardctl ? |
| 23:14.52 | Xenguy | TonyStark: I muddled my way through this a few months back, and as usual my memory is hazy now - I basically found that searching for 'gpg key' packages and installing them seemed to resolve my problems, but other than that, I confess I am short on details - sorry |
| 23:15.22 | TonyStark | Xenguy, ok, I will try that thanks ;D |
| 23:15.22 | omg0_ | abrotman: the directory |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | omg0_: lspcmcia ? |
| 23:15.43 | namit_hom1 | lua: sorry i tried cp -R /etc/ /var/backup/etc-backup/ |
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| 23:16.09 | omg0_ | abrotman: I wan't to put the dir in the make file |
| 23:16.20 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | omg0_: you want the full path ? |
| 23:16.33 | namit_hom1 | lua: but ti was very quick |
| 23:16.51 | omg0_ | yah. A command that will tell me where the file is located |
| 23:17.01 | abrotman | omg0_: which <cmd> |
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| 23:17.43 | omg0_ | yah. Which command |
| 23:17.43 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 23:17.55 | dkr | oops, meant to duck and cover, rolling is for fires, not bombs :) |
| 23:18.15 | namit_hom1 | Hey is there any way of making a shell a compleat image of my server from shell? |
| 23:18.19 | yanmorin | duck and cover is for lava |
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| 23:18.30 | abrotman | omg0_: i just told you |
| 23:18.43 | Xenguy | dkr: military training? I played my first laser tag today; I am sore now, but it was a gas :-) |
| 23:18.47 | yanmorin | abrotman, ha ha |
| 23:19.11 | namit_hom1 | i want an image of my hard disk so that if it crashes i can just reinstall |
| 23:19.13 | abrotman | omg0_: in your terminal .. type "which ls" .. get it ? |
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| 23:20.21 | haggz | namit_hom1: partimage is probably the tool you want |
| 23:20.28 | Xenguy | namit_hom1: mondorescue might offer some of what you want; not totally sure, check it out |
| 23:20.57 | dkr | Xenguy: no military for me, was just basing it on those famous cold war public service ads in the US that told kids to "duck and cover" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_and_cover |
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| 23:21.30 | Xenguy | dkr: haha, yeah, you can dodge those nukes kids! ;-) |
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| 23:22.19 | abrotman | dkr: you mean south park ? |
| 23:22.44 | wad | After editing /etc/procmailrc, do I need to do anything in particular to make it stick? Or is it just picked up as needed by whatever uses it? |
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| 23:23.27 | abrotman | restart procmail ? |
| 23:23.52 | bzed | procmail is not running as a daemon in most cases.. (or at all!?) |
| 23:24.03 | Xenguy | wad: my ~/.procmailrc file is instantaneous, FWIW |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | bzed: i thought you could make it run as? .. FIIK .. i don't use it |
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| 23:24.35 | wad | Xenguy, awesome, thanks. The man page is enormous, and I was having trouble finding this information nugget. |
| 23:25.00 | bzed | abrotman: I don;t remember, stopped using it years ago. sieve++ :) |
| 23:25.09 | abrotman | no email ++ |
| 23:25.26 | omg0_ | abrotman: did type: which ls pcmcia does not work |
| 23:25.27 | Xenguy | abrotman: IM instead ? |
| 23:25.35 | jelly-home | no internet++ |
| 23:25.36 | nn-driven | hi |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | Xenguy: for a lot of stuff ... jabber rules :) |
| 23:25.46 | Xenguy | abrotman: cool |
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| 23:25.52 | abrotman | omg0_: LIKE THIS "which ls" |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | omg0_: or "which lspcmcia" |
| 23:26.03 | nn-driven | im up loading to the server it is really slow |
| 23:26.19 | abrotman | Xenguy: too bad mom/dad don't get it .. at least they get AIM |
| 23:26.26 | Xenguy | abrotman: which ls returns no output for me, hrm |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | /bin/ls |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | is what it should say |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | $ which bash |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | /bin/bash |
| 23:27.10 | jelly-home | witch ls |
| 23:27.10 | Xenguy | abrotman: yeah, I don't mind trying jabber, but I'll be fucked if I'm gonna join the gang on MSN (which is where they all seem to be :-( |
| 23:27.27 | abrotman | witchy woman! |
| 23:27.30 | jelly-home | Xenguy: and that's a bad thing? |
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| 23:27.44 | abrotman | Xenguy: jabber is actually pretty nice |
| 23:27.48 | Xenguy | jelly-home: what |
| 23:27.52 | abrotman | jabber.org is flaky .. but it is the dev box |
| 23:27.58 | jelly-home | Xenguy: being fucked |
| 23:28.14 | Xenguy | abrotman: I have used it, and I like it, but everyone I know seems to be doing MSN which I refuse to do ;-) |
| 23:28.35 | Xenguy | jelly-home: well now, that depends =) |
| 23:29.13 | namit_hom1 | so why would you ever use apt-get dist-update? |
| 23:29.24 | jelly-home | namit_hom1: no reason |
| 23:29.25 | dvs | namit_hom1: I'm using it right now for etch!~ |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | dist-update isn't a command |
| 23:29.35 | dvs | dist-update? |
| 23:29.37 | Xenguy | namit_hom1: is that a syntax error? |
| 23:29.39 | mfrisch | Xenguy: run your own jabber server convert them |
| 23:29.42 | namit_hom1 | dvs: etch? |
| 23:30.02 | Xenguy | mfrisch: haha, you're hardcore :-) |
| 23:30.02 | dvs | namit_hom1: you really mean "dist-upgrade" right? |
| 23:30.08 | namit_hom1 | dist-upgrade |
| 23:30.19 | namit_hom1 | dvs: yes |
| 23:30.25 | dvs | namit_hom1: yeah, I'm using it right now to upgrade to Debian 4.0 |
| 23:30.43 | namit_hom1 | xenguy: you talking to me |
| 23:30.47 | Xenguy | namit_hom1: if you wanted to go Testing->Unstable, you would use: apt-get dist-upgrade (or variant) |
| 23:30.55 | namit_hom1 | a i see and your starting from scratch |
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| 23:31.12 | dvs | namit_hom1: I'm not starting from scratch |
| 23:31.16 | namit_hom1 | a i see i just want updates |
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| 23:31.37 | namit_hom1 | dvs: well with your configs you are |
| 23:31.38 | inFw | Hello. Does apt keep logs of usage? If so, what dir should I look on? |
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| 23:32.30 | namit_hom1 | what you all using for irc client? |
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| 23:32.46 | omg0_ | I don't think we are understanding each other |
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| 23:33.20 | abrotman | omg0_: i don't think you're paying attention :) |
| 23:33.24 | edthefox | wow so many users so little traffic |
| 23:33.36 | dvs | edthefox: they're all upgrading |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | inFw: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:33.44 | edthefox | haha |
| 23:33.47 | namit_hom1 | who does not understand who |
| 23:33.50 | inFw | tks abrotman |
| 23:34.01 | omg0_ | I did "which lspcmcia" |
| 23:34.08 | abrotman | what did it return ? |
| 23:34.14 | omg0_ | it yeilds nothing |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | is the ocmmand installed ? |
| 23:34.29 | Xenguy | hrm, apt-listbugs lists a bunch of bugs (upgrading Testing), including 'apt-listbugs' itself ;-) |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | !find lspcmcia etch |
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| 23:35.01 | abrotman | dpkg: are you broken? |
| 23:35.09 | omg0_ | I am newbie. I don't know what commands are installed |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | badgers: find lspcmcia etch |
| 23:35.27 | abrotman | omg0_: gonna be kind of hard to use it if it's not installed eh ? |
| 23:35.58 | omg0_ | heheheh |
| 23:36.18 | omg0_ | well it would have said command not found |
| 23:36.21 | Xenguy | omg0_: try this: which cat |
| 23:36.38 | abrotman | omg0_: so what do you think that means ? |
| 23:36.42 | inFw | abrotman: my /var/log/dpkg.log is empty, any chance logs can be somewhere else? |
| 23:36.44 | bzed | pcmciautils << that's where lspcmcia is in |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | inFw: which version of debian are you on ? |
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| 23:36.59 | abrotman | bzed: i know that .. but wtf is up with the bots ? |
| 23:37.04 | bzed | !ping |
| 23:37.04 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:37.19 | abrotman | that part works |
| 23:37.19 | bzed | !find lcpcmcia etch |
| 23:37.19 | abrotman | lspcmcia |
| 23:37.20 | bzed | !find lspcmcia etch |
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| 23:37.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what's up with dpkg and !find ? |
| 23:37.48 | mrcheeks | hello guys |
| 23:37.52 | inFw | abrotman: supposedly 4.0. A guy was upgrading to 4.0 last night but I wanted to see if he really did. Any easier way than run through the logs? |
| 23:37.55 | namit_hom1 | thanks lads started creating backup of server using Mondo thanks for recomendation |
| 23:37.57 | bzed | DeVilSoulBlacK: why the fuck do you ping me on !ping? |
| 23:38.15 | omg0_ | ok. Lets say I want to locate all the readme files on my computer. What command do I use? |
| 23:38.17 | DeVilSoulBlacK | remote |
| 23:38.18 | abrotman | bzed: he's responding to !ping |
| 23:38.29 | bzed | hmm... !reboot |
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| 23:38.33 | abrotman | omg0_: stop being vague... |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | omg0_: do you need a bash programming primer ? |
| 23:39.03 | omg0_ | that is what I want. The equivalent of a find on the windows box |
| 23:39.04 | namit_hom1 | what would these readmes looklike? |
| 23:39.36 | inFw | omg0_: you have the command find, why don't you take a look at it's man page? |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | find / -name *README* -print |
| 23:39.56 | namit_hom1 | omg0 locate |
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| 23:40.22 | omg0_ | ok. how do I update my locatedb |
| 23:40.24 | abrotman | !tell omg0_ about grounding |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | updatedb |
| 23:40.31 | omg0_ | says its 8 days old |
| 23:40.35 | namit_hom1 | find is much more powerfull but updatedb; locate README is just as good i find |
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| 23:41.12 | abrotman | if your updatedb is up to date |
| 23:41.19 | namit_hom1 | img0 there are lots of tutorials ya could do a find and then print out there date and then just do a grep on that for date ya want |
| 23:41.34 | namit_hom1 | ok sorry i am being a spa |
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| 23:41.55 | abrotman | can i get a massage? |
| 23:42.03 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:43.34 | omg0_ | thank you all. Lacate updated and it worketh |
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| 23:44.38 | jpin | debian was released... now, where is my kernel 2.6.21? :-) |
| 23:44.59 | abrotman | !kernel |
| 23:45.01 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.6, prepatch: 2.6.21-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.21-rc6-git3, 2.4: 2.4.34.2, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 |
| 23:45.09 | abrotman | it's not released yet .. nice try though |
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| 23:46.28 | jpin | Do you think it will take long? |
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| 23:47.20 | abrotman | ask ##kernel |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | they haven't even released .21 yet |
| 23:47.45 | badgers | Debian Search of 'lspcmcia' (1): (/sbin/lspcmcia) in admin/pcmciautils. |
| 23:48.03 | Zarephath | For anyone that is in here and works on PPC...the powerpc version netinstall is hopelessly broken...the install completes to the point where you are asked to select the packages...select desktop system...then it can't get any of the packages needed to install...you are dropped back to the main menu selection screen..attempts to reconfig apt mirrors won't take you into the selection screen..any attempts to go back and select packag |
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| 23:49.24 | abrotman | badgers: you're slow |
| 23:49.24 | badgers | abrotman: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:49.36 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 23:49.36 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 23:49.42 | abrotman | Zarephath: ^^^ |
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| 23:50.41 | namit_hom1 | sorry lads hard disk partion manager with some form of dialog and recs? |
| 23:50.59 | inFw | how can I check if a system as been fully upgraded to 4.0? |
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| 23:53.45 | markybob | infw cat /etc/debian_version ? sources.list are all set to etch and after apt-get update apt-get dist-grade says 0 to upgrade? |
| 23:55.08 | Miles_Prower | markybob: any known failings from starting at potato and dist-upgrading through to 4.0? I haven't found any yet. *is running right now on such a monster* |
| 23:56.02 | markybob | Miles_Prower: no idea. i havent used potato in many years :) dont have any left to test upgrading with...i havent heard of any huge problems, though. |
| 23:56.08 | Miles_Prower | k |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: not directly i hope |
| 23:56.51 | Miles_Prower | no, over years. |
| 23:56.53 | Miles_Prower | =P |
| 23:57.05 | Miles_Prower | manual kernel-compiles along the way too |
| 23:57.07 | Miles_Prower | :) |
| 23:57.32 | Miles_Prower | this is my first kernal made with make-xconfig. O.o |
| 23:57.47 | Miles_Prower | it's so much easier than the text one. >.> |
| 23:57.59 | k-man | is there an official document on how to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 23:58.06 | markybob | !sarge->etc |
| 23:58.08 | haggz | k-man: yes, the etch release notes |
| 23:58.15 | markybob | k-man: you could read the install manual |
| 23:58.16 | markybob | !sarge->etch |
| 23:58.17 | k-man | ok, thanks |
| 23:58.17 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 23:58.24 | edthefox | are there any advantages to a custom kernel vs. the stock one for a general purpose server?? |
| 23:58.35 | Miles_Prower | Before 4.0, i had horribly borken QT install, couldn't get it to run |
| 23:58.38 | oblio | !d-d-a |
| 23:58.38 | dpkg | d-d-a is probably debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 23:58.38 | k-man | ok, thanks guys |
| 23:58.52 | k-man | already on the d-d-a list |
| 23:58.56 | Miles_Prower | edthefox: faster boot time, I trim mine down on drivers that aren't needed, sometimes resolves conflits. |
| 23:58.56 | oblio | i'm not |
| 23:58.58 | oblio | :-) |
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| 23:59.07 | abrotman | k-man: the relesae notes are useful |
| 23:59.23 | Miles_Prower | edthefox: *conflicts |
| 23:59.27 | quipster | as root is there a way to take over and be the owner of a process ? |
| 23:59.32 | k-man | abrotman, ok, ill check them out |
| 23:59.33 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:59.52 | Miles_Prower | edthefox: I couldn't use both my SATA cards untill i removed an older driver, that the stock kernel had. |
