| 00:00.47 | edthefox | Miles_Prower: ok thanks |
| 00:01.00 | edthefox | Miles_Prower: I may check into it |
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| 00:02.12 | Miles_Prower | edthefox: I did get a noticeable speed boost, as the server didn't need sound, by totally removing sound support in kernel. but that's a bit of an extreme lightening. |
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| 00:04.45 | Lamperi_ | hmm |
| 00:04.54 | Lamperi_ | is lenny the name of new debian testing? |
| 00:05.07 | h3xis | yes |
| 00:05.14 | Miles_Prower | lenny. XD |
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| 00:05.39 | h3xis | what's the plan after lenny? or is there one? |
| 00:05.59 | markybob | h3xis: no plan yet. |
| 00:06.16 | h3xis | i see |
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| 00:06.53 | Miles_Prower | who's lenny btw? |
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| 00:06.59 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 00:06.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. |
| 00:06.59 | h3xis | the binoculars |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | hey .. |
| 00:07.07 | Miles_Prower | ahh |
| 00:07.08 | Miles_Prower | :) |
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| 00:07.50 | simonrvn | cafuego: i was asked to thank you for the SL packages and the site |
| 00:07.51 | Miles_Prower | dude.. i remember having horrid issues with slink. |
| 00:08.08 | Miles_Prower | i think that's why i held off for potato |
| 00:08.16 | Miles_Prower | then i've just dist-upgraded since. |
| 00:08.17 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 00:08.18 | simonrvn | !lenny is also the binoculars |
| 00:08.18 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 00:08.18 | h3xis | my nightmare was with potato |
| 00:08.20 | Miles_Prower | and made new kernels. |
| 00:08.34 | sid | I need to setup a computer for this Russian lady in New York. Is there a special keyboard I should buy? |
| 00:08.37 | sid | Her english is pretty bad, I don't think she knows the american alphabet. |
| 00:08.46 | simonrvn | h3xis: same, adduser gave me conniption fits when i tried dist-upgrading to woody |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: i just did that |
| 00:08.57 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 00:08.57 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. the binoculars |
| 00:09.02 | k-man | i have a line like this in my sources.list http://non-us.debian.org etch/non-US/contrib Packages but it fails - is that no longer needed for etch? (it was sarge originaly) |
| 00:09.06 | sid | I know how to setup debian locales, but as far as what she sees... is there a special keyboard to buy? |
| 00:09.19 | abrotman | k-man: no longer needed |
| 00:09.22 | simonrvn | oh, sorry, i missed it :| |
| 00:09.30 | k-man | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 00:09.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: i did it in /msg |
| 00:09.47 | simonrvn | no i'll fix it i broke it |
| 00:10.05 | abrotman | too late :) |
| 00:10.07 | simonrvn | might as well add a <reply> |
| 00:10.13 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:10.23 | simonrvn | saves room in the db, too |
| 00:10.38 | simonrvn | er, IRC chat, not the db... |
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| 00:11.01 | Miles_Prower | that's all that IRC is. well, if you log it. =P |
| 00:11.09 | Miles_Prower | a DB that you get to watch posts to. |
| 00:11.10 | Miles_Prower | =P |
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| 00:12.55 | abrotman_ | hey .. what's up with that? |
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| 00:21.33 | Miles_Prower | Q: what kernel is default in etch? |
| 00:21.53 | CaT[tm] | 2.6.18 from memory |
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| 00:23.03 | shaggyoaf | Hi, all. I notice that when I download source using apt-get source, there's a debian/ directory in it... Does that mean there's some cool trick to build a .deb? |
| 00:23.10 | ttuttle | Hey, I had the misfortune of installing debian 3.1 just a week before debian 4.0 came out. Is there an easy way to upgrade using synaptic? |
| 00:23.32 | bzed | !tell ttuttle about sarge->etch |
| 00:23.48 | bzed | you want to use the console |
| 00:23.50 | Miles_Prower | >After the upgrade to the Xorg and the latest libraries, X terminals which can only represent colors 8 bits depth will not work.< oh my! what will we ever do with a lack of 8-bit capability? |
| 00:23.53 | markybob | ttuttle: read the release notes ...and if you really care, i'd wait a couple of weeks to make sure all problems are figured out. let others step into the mine first :) |
| 00:24.31 | bzed | Miles_Prower: kernel is a 2.6.18 with a lot of backported fixes and additional druivers |
| 00:24.58 | Miles_Prower | bzed: I forget how to check current version while running.. |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman_ | !version |
| 00:25.05 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 00:25.13 | ttuttle | bzed: Hmm, I don't actually have a mention of Sarge there. I have "deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main" commented out, and a cdrom entry, but nothing else. |
| 00:25.23 | Miles_Prower | 2.6.20.3 |
| 00:25.25 | Miles_Prower | here |
| 00:25.52 | ttuttle | bzed: What's it supposed to look like? |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman_ | ttuttle: paste all your sources |
| 00:26.28 | abrotman_ | !paster |
| 00:26.28 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 00:27.00 | jstevens | Any fluxbox users? How can I bind a command to a left mouse press event? |
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| 00:27.24 | simonrvn | left mouse? you sure you wanna do that? |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman_ | isn't the left mouse for the menu ? |
| 00:27.57 | simonrvn | right mouse |
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| 00:28.08 | jstevens | Sure! I mean who whouldn't want wterm to open every time the mouse button is pressed. |
| 00:28.08 | abrotman_ | bah .. whatever :) |
| 00:28.18 | ttuttle | abrotman_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6017. |
| 00:28.40 | edthefox | but after the rightckick you still have to leftclick items in the menu |
| 00:28.42 | jstevens | My right button brings up the fluxbox menu. My left button does nil. |
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| 00:28.54 | simonrvn | you can add your own custom menus... |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman_ | ttuttle: you're all set and ready to go .. just read some release notes and do a `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 00:29.10 | ttuttle | abrotman: Ok. |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | it'll sketch out in a minute .. then i'll have a tail again |
| 00:29.19 | ttuttle | abrotman: Shouldn't it say "sarge" somewhere other than the CD-ROM entry? |
| 00:29.21 | Aghaster | Hi, I'd like to know how can I add an option to grub that would boot my system without starting gdm |
| 00:29.51 | Aghaster | single user mode still starts gdm |
| 00:29.51 | Aghaster | isn't there some kind of recovery mode available? |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | ttuttle: nope .. you can change the 'stable' to 'etch' if you'd like |
| 00:29.52 | ttuttle | abrotman: Oh, is that what I'd need to do, or does "stable" point to "etch" now? |
| 00:30.01 | abrotman | stable points to etch now |
| 00:30.08 | ttuttle | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:30.18 | ttuttle | dist-upgrade time! |
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| 00:30.28 | jstevens | Oh, yeah. My fluxbox menu is all custom written. What if I want to bind something to the left key though. For example, what if I wanted the fluxbox menu to come up with a left click instead of a right. What if I wanted to execute iceweasel with a left click? |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | but but but ... |
| 00:30.31 | dragonriot | what's the suggested file system type for a server?? I am in a debate over whether to use XFS, JFS, or ReiserFS... |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | ext3 |
| 00:30.42 | ttuttle | abrotman: I'm getting a few conflicts. |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | paste? |
| 00:31.23 | edthefox | dragonriot: I use ext3 for root and xfs for everything else |
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| 00:32.05 | ttuttle | abrotman: xlibmesa-glku: depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. libglu1-mesa: Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed. |
| 00:32.12 | jetscreamer | jfs |
| 00:32.22 | ttuttle | abrotman: I'm wondering if I should just install 4.0 from scratch. I haven't done anything with the install yet. |
| 00:33.15 | abrotman | ttuttle: did you do the update first ? |
| 00:33.15 | jetscreamer | if you go xfs or reiser, have a ups for sure |
| 00:33.15 | ttuttle | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:33.15 | agent | Reiserfs should not even be considered at all. :) XFS may be good if the server serves really large files like large videos... but as always, ext3 is the tried and true way. :) |
| 00:33.15 | h00t | so what happened to xfree86 ... is it non existent or irelevant |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | xfs/reiser should only be used if the server has an UPS |
| 00:33.16 | Miles_Prower | XOrg replaced it. |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | ttuttle: that's up to you .. |
| 00:33.16 | jetscreamer | deprecated |
| 00:33.16 | agent | err |
| 00:33.16 | sid | Feels like Sunday in here. |
| 00:33.16 | agent | I did not mean xfs :P |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | ttuttle: if you want to do a fresh .. do it that way .. or dist-upgrade for fun! |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | ttuttle: if you read the release notes .. they talk about libfam |
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| 00:33.31 | h00t | Miles_Prower, why change the name |
| 00:33.32 | scenestar | hey |
| 00:33.40 | jetscreamer | jfs is good |
| 00:33.50 | Miles_Prower | h00t: different team maintaining it, to differentiate them. |
| 00:33.57 | scenestar | I need to find a nice debian specific howto for installing multithreaded mod perl |
| 00:34.03 | dondelelcaro | !find bin/bash |
| 00:34.10 | h00t | Miles_Prower, so xfree86 is still being worked on |
| 00:34.20 | Miles_Prower | h00t: not that i know of. |
| 00:34.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/bash' (4): (/usr/bin/bashdb) in devel/bashdb ;; (/bin/bash-static) in shells/bash-static ;; (/bin/bash-minimal) in shells/bash-minimal ;; (/bin/bash, /usr/bin/bashbug) in shells/bash. |
| 00:34.26 | scenestar | whats wrong with xorg? |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | what the heck! |
| 00:34.36 | Miles_Prower | h00t: I haven't paid any attention to it's devel. |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | !find lspcmcia etch |
| 00:34.37 | agent | ttuttle: If you do a dist-upgrade and quit, you lose nothing if you end up doing a fresh install anyway. But you benefit from gaining knowledge. :) |
| 00:34.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lspcmcia' (1): (/sbin/lspcmcia) in admin/pcmciautils. |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | dpkg: why didn't you work before! |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did you do something ? |
| 00:35.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I just fixed it |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:35.08 | h00t | anyone can tell me or point me to URL w/ tutorial on how to mount NTFS partitions read/write able |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | that'll do it :) |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 00:35.36 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: there's no tutorial because you shoudl be able to use the normal libapache2-mod-perl module. |
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| 00:36.10 | jetscreamer | !read-ntfs |
| 00:36.10 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 00:36.16 | jetscreamer | change the ro and masks |
| 00:36.20 | scenestar | dondelelcaro: i installed that, but i still get served raw files instead of parsed scripts |
| 00:36.28 | jetscreamer | man mount, search fmask & dmask |
| 00:36.38 | h00t | jetscreamer, i want read/write |
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| 00:36.43 | h00t | WRITE |
| 00:36.48 | h00t | & DELETE |
| 00:36.50 | h00t | :) |
| 00:37.29 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: and what is your apache configuration for those directories? |
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| 00:37.55 | scenestar | that they should use all enabled apache modules? |
| 00:38.47 | gonzaloaf_work | hello how do I create a diskette image? |
| 00:38.47 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: that has nothing to do with it. You have to explicetly tell apache to use a specific mod_perl handler for specific locations, otherwise it doesn't do anything. |
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| 00:38.56 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: this is all explained in the mod perl request handler documentation |
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| 00:39.07 | scenestar | yeah well that's why is asked for the docs didnt I |
| 00:39.14 | scenestar | debian specific? |
| 00:39.23 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: it's not Debian specific. |
| 00:39.24 | jetscreamer | h00t: pay attention to everything i typed then |
| 00:39.27 | jetscreamer | try /lastlog |
| 00:39.38 | jetscreamer | the second line i typed |
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| 00:39.50 | Xires | gonzaloaf_work; dd if=/dev/fd0 of=diskette.img bs=512 |
| 00:39.50 | jetscreamer | rather, after the bot, when i typed |
| 00:40.04 | scenestar | dondelelcaro ok great but where can i find documentation taking in account a debian specific config |
| 00:40.14 | scenestar | or another apt based package manager |
| 00:40.18 | gonzaloaf_work | Xires, is the same if I do: cat /dev/fd0 > diskette.img ? |
| 00:40.32 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: again, there's no Debian specific configuration. You install the module, you configure apache to do whatever you want apache to be doing. |
| 00:40.39 | h00t | jetscreamer, are you telling me that all i need to do is change "ro" to "rw" and masks and that's it ... i thouht i need some special module/dirver ... or is it included in this kernel |
| 00:40.53 | scenestar | goddammit dondelelcaro are you a fucking autist |
| 00:41.00 | Xires | gonzaloaf_work; no |
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| 00:41.08 | abrotman | ttuttle: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-backup |
| 00:41.11 | gonzaloaf_work | Xires, why not? |
| 00:41.18 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro, scenestar: however, where the global config is put may well be debian specific |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | i'd settle for knowing what an autist is :) |
| 00:42.01 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: there's no global configuration; you configure the modules on a per-directory basis |
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| 00:42.12 | Xires | gonzaloaf_work; cat reads as character file..it's not a character device, it's a block device |
| 00:42.23 | zenbum | autist = british artist? |
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| 00:42.49 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro, scenestar: um, what about per-vhost config? |
| 00:43.01 | gonzaloaf_work | Xires, why do you use bs=512 could it be different? |
| 00:43.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's the same thing |
| 00:43.21 | blueyed | Hi. How can I reinstall all files of a package. "apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs-data" won't re-add /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu to the system, which I had manually removed. |
| 00:43.29 | waltman | Sorry for the faq, but I can't find the answer anywhere. I'm running testing. I'm doing my first aptitude update; aptitude upgrade since the etch release, and aptitude's telling me "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" |
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| 00:43.56 | nn-driven | what is the comand for a line count |
| 00:44.07 | dvs | nn-driven: wc -l |
| 00:44.11 | Xires | gonzaloaf_work; yes, it could be different..but most diskettes are written using a block size of 512 bytes..so the 'by-the-book' method is to use the same block size specification |
| 00:44.12 | subopt | I switched from Slackware to Debian/Etch a few weeks ago. Now that Etch is released, is there anything i need to change about my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:44.15 | mfrisch | waltman: /topic |
| 00:44.26 | coolzone | waltman, that means you have some unofficial repos in your source.list |
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| 00:45.01 | waltman | mfrisch: which thing in the topic? |
| 00:45.31 | mfrisch | adding keys for the other mirrors or the one you are using. |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | mfrisch: that's not in the topic |
| 00:45.57 | zenbum | waltman: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 00:46.04 | jetscreamer | h00t: the module will autoload, and should be write enabled |
| 00:46.05 | mfrisch | abrotman: damn it they keep changing things on me ;-) |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | i think he tried that already |
| 00:46.16 | waltman | zenbum: thanks |
| 00:46.18 | Xires | subopt; if you're using "testing", then you may want to change it to 'stable' or 'etch'..unless you want to continue using the testing distribution |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | waltman: do you live near the walt whitman bridge? :) |
| 00:46.37 | jetscreamer | h00t: to write you might want to try fuse or ntfs-3g... i've never written to ntfs so g'luck |
| 00:46.42 | gonzaloaf_work | Xires, thanks |
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| 00:46.59 | epsilon | is there any simple audio tool to cut large (1h recording, 60MB) mp3 file, without converting to wav? |
| 00:47.19 | subopt | Xires: That makes sense. Thanks. |
| 00:47.19 | mfrisch | abrotman: were is that? |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | split ? |
| 00:47.19 | jetscreamer | i've always meant to try it though |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | mfrisch: in philly |
| 00:47.19 | Xires | gonzaloaf_work; np |
| 00:47.19 | Xires | subopt; np |
| 00:47.19 | Miles_Prower | The word “cybernetics” is built from the greek root κυβερνητης, which designates the pilot of a ship, and already meant figuratively governor, which word is an etymological derivative of it. Cybernetics [Wiener1957] is the science of control, that is, of decision-taking and the flow of information. |
| 00:47.19 | waltman | abrotman: I do, as a matter of fact :) |
| 00:47.23 | mfrisch | abrotman: ok |
| 00:47.30 | markybob | jetscreamer: ntfs-3g uses fuse...so it's not really "or" |
| 00:47.31 | epsilon | abrotman: won't split break mp3 format at the edge? |
| 00:47.31 | h00t | jetscreamer, thanx |
| 00:47.36 | abrotman | waltman: eh .. i was joking .. that's creepy |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | epsilon: try it and see ? i don't know |
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| 00:48.05 | waltman | it says I already have the latest version of debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:48.09 | a1fa | anybody know anything about HDMI? |
| 00:48.18 | abrotman | !info mp3splt etch |
| 00:48.23 | coolzone | waltman, like I said, you have some unofficial repos in source.list |
| 00:48.27 | dpkg | mp3splt: (Splits MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files without reencoding), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | epsilon: ^^ |
| 00:48.41 | a1fa | Modes "1920x1080_60i" |
| 00:48.44 | epsilon | ah |
| 00:48.45 | a1fa | !HDTV |
| 00:48.46 | dpkg | hmm... hdtv is High Definition Television |
| 00:48.53 | a1fa | !1920x1080_60i |
| 00:49.06 | epsilon | how is "splt" to be supposed to be found :D |
| 00:49.07 | jetscreamer | a1fa: mplayer... see also #mplayer |
| 00:49.20 | jetscreamer | apt-get install it |
| 00:49.27 | jelly-home | epsilon: using apt-cache search some keywords here |
| 00:49.35 | a1fa | jetscreamer: i have it |
| 00:49.39 | blueyed | Is """dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5.6-0ubuntu13_all.deb /""" the way to extract all files, which "-i" would ignore? |
| 00:49.42 | a1fa | i dont know what resolution i should run XORG on |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | epsilon: apt-file search mp3s .. worked for me |
| 00:50.03 | epsilon | i seached for split |
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| 00:50.18 | jelly-home | epsilon: apt-cache search mp3 split yields reasonable results |
| 00:50.20 | epsilon | guess choosen wrong keywords... never mind |
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| 00:50.39 | waltman | coolzone: I had the same unofficial entries in my sources.list last week and aptitude worked fine |
| 00:51.11 | coolzone | waltman, yes, but now its upgraded.. so you can accept those packages, if you trust them, otherwise just uncomment them |
| 00:51.13 | waltman | I commented out the unofficial lines but I'm still getting the warning |
| 00:51.21 | h00t | jetscreamer, should uid & gid in fstab be exactly the same as my user "h00t" ... if so how do i find out what are my uid,gid |
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| 00:51.34 | coolzone | waltman, you have missed something then |
| 00:51.40 | jelly-home | h00t: id |
| 00:51.56 | waltman | no, it says all 141 packages are untrusted |
| 00:52.06 | bubazoo | so like, if I'm installing the DVD version of Etch, I don't need DVD's 2 and 3? |
| 00:52.17 | coolzone | waltman, would you mind posting your source.list somewhere (not here) |
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| 00:52.28 | jelly-home | bubazoo: if you have connection to the internets, no |
| 00:52.34 | waltman | ok, in a sec. trying out one more thing first. |
| 00:52.35 | h00t | i have 2 entries there ... uid=1000(h00t) ... but then later on 1000(h00t) ... which one is what |
| 00:52.42 | jetscreamer | h00t: you can change em up... and type id to find it for each user |
| 00:52.44 | coolzone | waltman, ok :-) |
| 00:52.57 | bubazoo | yelly-home yeap; thanks |
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| 00:53.13 | jetscreamer | h00t: gid is 'probably' optional, ... that line sets it up for one user, but can be tweaked |
| 00:53.13 | bubazoo | I just wanted to check out the graphical installer every1 keeps talking about |
| 00:53.36 | abrotman | the graphical installer is on the netinst too |
| 00:53.40 | jelly-home | h00t: you should have something like uid=.... gid=.... groups=... uid and gid are relevant |
| 00:53.44 | bubazoo | cuz normally that text based installer, least 3.1's, I couldn't get installed for nothing |
| 00:53.52 | bubazoo | it is? |
| 00:53.59 | mfrisch | bubazoo: type linuxgui in the installer |
| 00:54.01 | jetscreamer | h00t: the first user created 'usually' gets uid 1000 and gid 1000 |
| 00:54.16 | jetscreamer | h00t: whatever jelly-home says |
| 00:54.21 | bubazoo | oh man |
| 00:54.55 | mfrisch | bubazoo: uhm installgui |
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| 00:55.24 | jetscreamer | bubazoo: hit f1,f2,f3... read |
| 00:55.26 | waltman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6018 |
| 00:55.32 | jetscreamer | at the boot promopt |
| 00:55.36 | jetscreamer | prompt |
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| 00:55.58 | abrotman | waltman: your security line points at stable |
| 00:56.15 | bubazoo | I haven't put the disk in yet jetscreamer, actually haven't burned 'em yet. still downloading disks 2-3 from bittorrent hehe |
| 00:56.25 | bubazoo | disk 1 is done |
| 00:56.29 | jetscreamer | did they fix that symlink on the security site yet? |
| 00:56.36 | waltman | that's what I had before |
| 00:56.43 | bubazoo | disks 2 and 3 have like, 16 days left to download, thats why I wondered LOL |
| 00:56.49 | coolzone | waltman, security line has to point to testing |
| 00:57.01 | zinx | bubazoo: erh, why not just use the netinstall cd |
| 00:57.21 | waltman | ok, trying that now |
| 00:57.34 | waltman | that used to not work at some point in the past |
| 00:57.42 | Caelum | what's the serial port module called? |
| 00:57.44 | coolzone | waltman, but the problem is proberly with the DJB repos. |
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| 00:58.07 | zenbum | isn't testing now lenny? |
| 00:58.11 | waltman | i already said I commented that out but the problem remained |
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| 00:58.30 | waltman | and I already said that it's saying that ALL the packages it wants to upgrade are untrusted |
| 00:58.34 | coolzone | waltman, but its not really a problem, just the apt system telling you, than you are going to install some "untrusted" packages, you can accept them if you trust them. |
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| 00:59.01 | waltman | but why are they suddenly untrusted? |
| 00:59.09 | zenbum | waltman: if you want etch, explicitly specify "etch" |
| 00:59.16 | coolzone | waltman, on the post, the repos isn't uncommented |
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| 00:59.41 | waltman | on the post? |
| 00:59.51 | waltman | zenbum: I want testing |
| 00:59.52 | coolzone | what you just pasted |
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| 01:00.18 | zenbum | waltman: you want lenny? |
| 01:00.25 | waltman | yes, as I said I changed it from stable to testing but it didn't get rid of the error message |
| 01:00.30 | waltman | I WANT TESTING |
| 01:00.45 | scenestar | lk |
| 01:00.49 | waltman | before you could just say "testing" in sources.list. is that not the case anymore? |
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| 01:01.12 | coolzone | waltman, you can say testing in source.list |
| 01:01.16 | scenestar | ah allright, i found out what is bugging me |
| 01:01.17 | jelly-home | Caelum: I think it's compiled in Debian kernels |
| 01:01.20 | coolzone | waltman, use this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 01:01.24 | scenestar | i have a script that starts with use CGI qw/:standard/; |
| 01:01.26 | zenbum | waltman: testing == lenny now I think, since etch was released |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:01.37 | scenestar | how would i configure apache to execute that |
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| 01:02.15 | coolzone | waltman, at this moment, you can use "testing" or "lenny" in the list, same result. |
| 01:02.32 | jelly-home | scenestar: enable support for cgi scripts like usual |
| 01:02.38 | scenestar | allright |
| 01:03.00 | scenestar | wait does that mean i turn my entire subdir into a cgibin? |
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| 01:03.29 | jelly-home | scenestar: it might also mean adding/editing an AddType or AddHandler to handle some extensions as cgi |
| 01:04.00 | scenestar | ah i see it now |
| 01:04.18 | Caelum | jelly-home: found that I was using the wrong serial device, thank you |
| 01:05.49 | waltman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6020 |
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| 01:06.31 | abrotman | waltman: and if you comment out the smarden ? same thing ? |
| 01:07.04 | waltman | it's commented out in the link I just pasted |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | it's still getting the package file |
| 01:07.40 | waltman | doesn't IGN mean "ignore"? |
| 01:07.45 | coolzone | waltman, its still reading the old file.. the one without uncommenting |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | ah .. nm |
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| 01:08.18 | Jiop | Hi, where can I download debian potato iso's? |
| 01:08.18 | waltman | fine, so how do I get it to not read it? |
| 01:08.19 | h00t | in my fstab it says this "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask0777,dmask=0777 0 0" ... why can't i still not enve view the files in the partitoint |
| 01:08.20 | coolzone | this doesn't quite make sense |
| 01:08.41 | anandanbu | where can i find debian cd/dvd covers and artworks |
| 01:09.00 | Jiop | any idea? |
| 01:09.13 | asg | Jiop: archive.debian.org is likely your best bet |
| 01:09.27 | Jiop | thx |
| 01:09.29 | waltman | coolzone: indeed :) |
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| 01:10.02 | Jiop | arhive.debian.org is u? |
| 01:10.05 | Jiop | up |
| 01:10.07 | coolzone | waltman, as you can see its getting Hit from smarden.org.. if thats really commented out, it wont.. are you sure you only have one source.list in /etc/apt directory? Also try using apt-get update, and see if thats doing the same. |
| 01:10.21 | tuvwx | i thought etch is released when i found 307 updates available! turns out i was right :) |
| 01:10.26 | asg | Jiop: just slow |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | asg! |
| 01:10.32 | Jiop | thx again |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | asg: you've been hiding! |
| 01:10.39 | Fear_cult | i have a question about gnome im trying to install a theme but its not working i tried manually by unpacking it to ~/.themes and also tried the "install theme" way in the gnome theme manager neither will install it any ideas? |
| 01:10.43 | Fear_cult | btw this is etch |
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| 01:10.49 | asg | abrotman: no I haven't, I just got here |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | anandanbu: you might have more luck asking the debian-user list |
| 01:11.14 | waltman | yes, it's my only sources.list |
| 01:11.32 | anandanbu | thanks abrotman |
| 01:11.38 | waltman | apt-get update says it's Ign'ing the marden stuff |
| 01:11.44 | waltman | smarden |
| 01:12.04 | bzed | anandanbu: http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ |
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| 01:12.20 | waltman | apt-get upgrade says "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 01:12.21 | bzed | anandanbu: googling helps ;) |
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| 01:12.48 | abrotman | bzed: i trie .. came up empty |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | but i thought i remembered seein gthem before |
| 01:12.57 | coolzone | waltman, somehow its reading an uncommented version :-) |
| 01:13.05 | bzed | abrotman: works well here |
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| 01:13.20 | militant | sup guys |
| 01:13.21 | abrotman | bzed: i'm stupid .. why do you have to pick on me? |
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| 01:13.48 | waltman | coolzone: I can paste the results of "locate sources.list | xargs ls -ltru" if you don't believe me |
| 01:14.17 | bzed | !nvzdrink abrotman |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | !yinzersmite bzed |
| 01:14.39 | bzed | :D |
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| 01:14.41 | militant | etch has frozen on me once so far. sound is garbled, on mp3's, avi audio, and slightly less so in snes emulator (zsnes). i'm wondering if it's related to the lockup. |
| 01:15.33 | coolzone | waltman, I believe you, there just must be a "glitch" somewhere in the process :-) |
| 01:15.38 | odd-one-in | hi folks, i need some help. SOS. i deleted all the library packages and initrd files by mistake, is there anyway i can fix it? live, w/o a reinstall? or a reboot and using a live cd or using the binary cd and then going fix mode? |
| 01:16.24 | waltman | coolzone: that's why I'm here with you experts :) |
| 01:16.29 | asg | odd-one-in: /msg dpkg reinstall (might work to get back the bits you need) |
| 01:16.29 | markybob | odd-one-in: you are one crazy son of a bitch. reinstalling would probably be the fastest and easiest fix |
| 01:16.44 | k-man | is there a way to give admins full access to root privs by using sudo, but prevent them from being able to log in as root using sudo? |
| 01:16.53 | asg | odd-one-in: granted, it depends on which library bits you deleted |
| 01:17.19 | odd-one-in | all libc6, initrd, et all! :-D |
| 01:17.29 | markybob | odd-one-in: reinstall |
| 01:17.43 | asg | k-man: don't try. There will always be a way for someone to create a root shell to bypass things. |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | why would you delete libc6 ? |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | you need that |
| 01:17.53 | markybob | and then hire someone else to admin the boxes |
| 01:17.56 | k-man | asg, i thought so.. i was just checking |
| 01:18.16 | odd-one-in | i know. i was talking to the girls in msn. i wanted to do an upgrade ASAP and then get back to chat. :-D |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | or stop doing everyting as root |
| 01:18.34 | DocPlatypus | markybob: in a way I like that answer |
| 01:18.47 | DocPlatypus | but for some the learning curve is steeper |
| 01:18.48 | odd-one-in | and was using synaptic, and selected fix it mode, by mistake and here i am, with disaster struck. |
| 01:18.55 | coolzone | waltman, sorry nothing more to offer, check the process sted by step |
| 01:18.57 | odd-one-in | females i guess are root cause of all evil. |
| 01:19.04 | Fear_cult | anyone? |
| 01:19.11 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.14 | Guerin | odd-one-in: spoken like someone who doesn't actually know any |
| 01:19.18 | DocPlatypus | I installed a LILO-era Slackware (3.1) and it took me five times to realize, yes, you need a boot loader even with OS/2's Boot Manager |
| 01:19.38 | Guerin | Fear_cult: fishpaste |
| 01:19.46 | coolzone | Fear_cult, perhaps #gnome :-) |
| 01:19.49 | asg | Guerin: crabpaste |
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| 01:20.44 | odd-one-in | most of the girls i know of use msn only. no yahoo or ICQ. |
| 01:21.03 | odd-one-in | well markybob reinstall or fix it mode is the only option. |
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| 01:23.11 | Guerin | asg: nummeh |
| 01:23.30 | asg | Guerin: quit so |
| 01:23.33 | asg | *quite |
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| 01:24.18 | Guerin | the holy trinity of chao mien: fish sauce, five spice and chili flakes |
| 01:24.24 | Guerin | hotdamn! |
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| 01:25.47 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know of a kinda pretty file manager that doesn't require kde or gnome ? |
| 01:26.10 | Regnad | roxen, maybe |
| 01:26.30 | NefariousPrior | roxen? |
| 01:26.55 | NefariousPrior | must be referign to someone else |
| 01:26.57 | NefariousPrior | lol |
| 01:27.01 | Guerin | because `pretty' is a useful feature in a file manager |
| 01:27.02 | Guerin | sheesh |
| 01:27.19 | Regnad | er, "Rox File Manager". No KDE, no Gnome. |
| 01:27.21 | kepht | NefariousPrior: endeavor2 |
| 01:27.46 | NefariousPrior | Guerin: I guess intuitive was what I meant. It's for a not so comuter literte person. |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | xfe |
| 01:28.14 | Regnad | Rox is sort of like the old Winder's 3.1 FileManager |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | or gentoo |
| 01:28.28 | Regnad | (well, not really, but sorta) |
| 01:28.44 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: find them one that looks like a nipple |
| 01:29.25 | NefariousPrior | hehehe |
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| 01:29.43 | rockzman | what version of debian uses mysql $? |
| 01:29.45 | rockzman | what version of debian uses mysql 4? |
| 01:29.49 | militant | is there any place i can talk to debian devs or whatever? |
| 01:30.16 | Guerin | rockzman: etch |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | and sarge |
| 01:30.30 | rockzman | Guerin the most new still uses mysql then? |
| 01:30.30 | Guerin | militant: email debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | and lenny i suppose might .. maybe even sid |
| 01:30.39 | militant | hmmm. |
| 01:30.47 | Guerin | rockzman: yes, mysql has not been removed from debian. |
| 01:30.54 | kepht | NefariousPrior: endeavour2 (Endeavour MARK II) -- UNIX File Management Suite2 |
| 01:30.59 | Regnad | militent: there are 722 "whatevers" right here. |
| 01:31.05 | rockzman | Guerin i meen its not mysql 5 ? it is mysql 4 aight? |
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| 01:31.27 | militant | Regnad: no one responds to my odd sound issue. heh. |
| 01:31.35 | Guerin | rockzman: you can find out by looking on packages.debian.org |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | what odd sound issue ? |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | wait .. i think you told me already |
| 01:31.53 | rockzman | Guerin cant u just say? |
| 01:32.07 | Guerin | rockzman: no, because I neither know nor care |
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| 01:32.42 | militant | abrotman: i have sound. but *everything* is distorted. snes emulator does a little better than mp3/video players but it's all still garbled or distorted. and etch has totally locked up, once, so far. |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | sound works okay in win32 ? |
| 01:33.14 | militant | sound works fine in sarge, when i boot to that drive |
| 01:33.17 | militant | so i'd guess. |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | all using alsa ? |
| 01:34.04 | militant | yeah |
| 01:34.52 | militant | now, i had a sorta situation difference last night. my etch iso was apparently bad, kuz it did the install but only the base system, didn't setup x or gnome or anything, didn't even mention them. and in that install, mp3's played fine but audio in avi files didn't. |
| 01:35.04 | militant | now on this new install on a md5sum'd iso, NO sound works right |
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| 01:35.15 | abrotman | tried asking .. #alsa ? |
| 01:35.21 | militant | ahh |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | it might be an option for the module |
| 01:35.30 | militant | i shall. |
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| 01:35.49 | mfrisch | militant: get like a cheap emu10k card or something. |
| 01:36.01 | abrotman | it worked before .. it should work now |
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| 01:36.16 | militant | i have an sblive emu10k card but i haven't tried it, i don't see a need. i booted sarge an hour ago and sound was flawless. |
| 01:37.01 | Cheef-Daniel | hi I have a strange problem here and I dont know the reason why its not working |
| 01:37.08 | mfrisch | militant: see if it works if it does alsa isn't borked. |
| 01:37.12 | rockzman | Guerin no debian for amd64 based computers? |
| 01:37.29 | Guerin | rockzman: whatever gives you that impression? |
| 01:37.34 | rockzman | well |
| 01:37.45 | Guerin | rockzman: 2005 wants its misconceptions back |
| 01:38.09 | rockzman | lol |
| 01:38.16 | rockzman | Guerin debian-40r0-amd64-CD-1.iso is this the newest release? |
| 01:38.17 | Cheef-Daniel | the problem is my server does not respond to anything |
| 01:38.28 | abrotman | Guerin: 2003 ? |
| 01:38.40 | Guerin | rockzman: yes. Is that not amd64 enough for you? |
| 01:38.42 | Regnad | militant: Did you see 5.2.3 of the release notes? Check /etc/modules for OSS stuff. |
| 01:38.43 | Guerin | abrotman: that too |
| 01:38.44 | Cheef-Daniel | even ssh, http, pop is not working |
| 01:38.53 | rockzman | Guerin |
| 01:38.55 | rockzman | yea |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: is it turned on ? |
| 01:38.57 | rockzman | rofl! |
| 01:39.00 | militant | Regnad: i shall check |
| 01:39.03 | Cheef-Daniel | :( |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: is networking up ? |
| 01:39.33 | Cheef-Daniel | I can only connect over a serial rescue console |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: can the server ping out ? |
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| 01:39.56 | Cheef-Daniel | no |
| 01:40.14 | Guerin | Cheef-Daniel: have the host ship it to you, or re-image it |
| 01:40.17 | Cheef-Daniel | but it does before and I havent changed anything |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: hardware dies |
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| 01:41.00 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: does it work http://localhost/ with lynx/links? |
| 01:41.01 | HostilePenguin | any idea how to enable page flipping fglrx ? |
| 01:41.01 | Cheef-Daniel | I had yesturday the same troubles, after a reboot everything runs fine |
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| 01:41.07 | Insolit | anyone experiencing problems with repositories in http://ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | use another mirror |
| 01:41.28 | Guerin | Insolit: you. |
| 01:41.55 | Insolit | well i would love to change the repositories but this is so confusing |
| 01:42.01 | Insolit | i have tons of repositories |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | this isn't going to be good |
| 01:42.15 | Insolit | and can't understand their organization |
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| 01:42.27 | Cheef-Daniel | yes lynx localhost is working |
| 01:42.34 | Insolit | test, unstable, experiment... |
| 01:42.37 | Insolit | bleh |
| 01:42.43 | Insolit | main contrib |
| 01:42.47 | Insolit | gosh... |
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| 01:43.24 | Rug | What progam can I use to convert .avi to .mp4 for my video ipod? |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: lynx http://www.google.com/ ? |
| 01:43.37 | abrotman | mencoder ? |
| 01:43.45 | Cheef-Daniel | top show now 0,1 % CPU usage, RAM=90000k free |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | this isn't cpu/ram |
| 01:44.01 | markybob | probably gnupod has something |
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| 01:44.30 | waltman | Well, I switched to a different mirror and that seemed to solve my problem! |
| 01:44.31 | Insolit | could someone give me a mirror to http://ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | but on tv this morning theyhad this Yahoo/Samsung player with wifi ... which was kind of nice |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 01:44.47 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 01:45.01 | abrotman | waltman: really ? |
| 01:45.04 | Insolit | thanks abrotman |
| 01:45.13 | waltman | abrotman: yup |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | waltman: well ... doesn't that just seem .. odd |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | waltman: you're using pair.com ? |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | or .us.debian.org ? |
| 01:45.46 | waltman | I found a comment on debian-user from joey hess that gave me that idea. |
| 01:46.07 | waltman | I switched from ftp.us.debian.org to ftp.se.debian.org |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | okay .. if it works it works :) |
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| 01:47.21 | mfrisch | rug 3pg |
| 01:47.33 | waltman | All I can guess is that I maybe wasn't getting an updated Release or Release.gpg file |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | if you change back .. does the problem return ? |
| 01:48.37 | Rug | mfrisch: can you give me a URL to get more info? |
| 01:48.39 | Cheef-Daniel | hm, my allowd the incoming http-connection, but I get no response |
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| 01:48.50 | Cheef-Daniel | sorry, I mean my firewall |
| 01:49.08 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: does outgoing work ? |
| 01:49.12 | Cheef-Daniel | no |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: lynx http://www.google.com/ |
| 01:49.16 | waltman | abrotman: I don't know. I'm busily downloading 141 new packages. :) |
| 01:49.20 | Guerin | Cheef-Daniel: we altrady told you what to do |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | then incoming isn't going to work |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | waltman: you lazy .. you probably like the eagles too! |
| 01:49.33 | Cheef-Daniel | yes lynx is working only local |
| 01:49.34 | Insolit | :( |
| 01:49.47 | Insolit | i really can't understand this repositories thing |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: ifconfig -a .. is your network card there ? |
| 01:49.56 | smacnay | Is there a trick to stopping an initrd kernel from loading unwanted modules? I have tried adding them to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file as "blacklist module" but all still get loaded. |
| 01:50.07 | Insolit | mandriva's a lot easir with this |
| 01:50.16 | Cheef-Daniel | yes and the connections are going through my firewall |
| 01:50.32 | abrotman | you just said they aren't |
| 01:50.35 | Guerin | 476 packages upgraded, 145 newly installed, 35 to remove and 24 not upgraded. # ph333r teh etch upgrade! |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | waltman: phillies pen *sucks* |
| 01:50.54 | waltman | 7 runs in the 8th today? wtf? |
| 01:50.56 | zinx | Guerin: dist-upgrade? |
| 01:50.58 | mfrisch | rug ii 3gpwiz 1.3-0.3 |
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| 01:51.16 | abrotman | waltman: one of the guys in my office is "off the bandwagon" |
| 01:51.26 | waltman | it's going to be a long summer |
| 01:51.42 | Guerin | zinx: aye |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | i don't care .. i'll still go to the games and drink my beer :) |
| 01:51.49 | waltman | and who was that idiot they had out in right field yesterday? |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | it was jason werth |
| 01:51.57 | zinx | Guerin: maybe try aptitude instead? |
| 01:52.02 | asg | abrotman: or the mascot |
| 01:52.05 | Guerin | zinx: that IS aptitude |
| 01:52.09 | zinx | Guerin: oh :X |
| 01:52.10 | Cheef-Daniel | is there some way to see the actual used bandwidth? |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | the mascot has horrible fielding skills |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: ifconfig eth0 |
| 01:52.35 | asg | abrotman: I'd have thought be the big furry hands would be an asset |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | or whatever it is |
| 01:52.48 | abrotman | asg: all thumbs |
| 01:52.56 | asg | abrotman: ah, shame |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | he's still a better reciever than most of the eagles :) |
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| 01:54.57 | Cheef-Daniel | lol, now it is working without a change |
| 01:54.58 | Regnad | Insolit: I remember seeing a nice explanation for the repository layout... I'm looking for it now. |
| 01:55.13 | Insolit | i'm getting "conflicting distribution: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release (expected stable but got etch) |
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| 01:55.24 | Insolit | how can i fix that? |
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| 01:56.05 | abrotman | stop mixing |
| 01:56.13 | Insolit | Regnad: don't worry about that, i simply displike that, and also codenames for distributions, there could not be anything less confusing |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: glad i could help |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | Insolit: you're running part sarge part etch |
| 01:56.32 | Guerin | Insolit: change `stable' to `sarge' |
| 01:56.41 | Guerin | or to `etch' if that's what you want to use |
| 01:56.44 | Szeraax | Is there a way to use the etch *now stable. YAY* install disc and install grub without installing etch? |
| 01:56.48 | Cheef-Daniel | I wish I know what this was |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: there was a cat in your tubez |
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| 01:57.41 | Insolit | thanks abrotman and Guerin |
| 01:57.42 | Cheef-Daniel | yesterday the same thing |
| 01:57.47 | googletroll | how do i install a package? |
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| 01:57.54 | abrotman | man dpkg or man apt-get |
| 01:57.57 | asg | googletroll: aptitude install <pkg> |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | or man aptitude |
| 01:58.14 | markybob | oh that's hilarious |
| 01:58.34 | markybob | so much so you set off my heart monitor, you bastard |
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| 01:58.51 | asg | markybob: you hooked your heart monitor to irc? |
| 01:59.24 | mfrisch | markybob: better than your defibulator |
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| 01:59.34 | markybob | mfrisch: heh |
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| 02:00.38 | Szeraax | anyone know? I want to use the debian install disc to install grub and not re-install debian. can i do it from the commnand line of the installer? |
| 02:01.30 | mfrisch | !fix mbr |
| 02:01.41 | mfrisch | uhm |
| 02:01.52 | asg | !fixmbr |
| 02:01.53 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 02:01.53 | Szeraax | fix mbr when? |
| 02:02.00 | Szeraax | ah |
| 02:02.34 | markybob | probably ext3, though. if you installed with etch |
| 02:02.45 | markybob | although i guess it doesnt matter |
| 02:02.51 | Szeraax | then my grub will detect then have deb, Backtrack, and win? right? |
| 02:02.55 | Szeraax | of course |
| 02:02.58 | k-man | has anyone ever heard of or seen a product for timing an irrigation system that is tcp/ip enabled? |
| 02:03.07 | Szeraax | that would be cool |
| 02:03.15 | Szeraax | i bet it wouldnt be too hard to do... |
| 02:03.25 | Cheef-Daniel | do you know why outgoing traffic is blocked on my rootserver between 1:00am and 4:00am? a serial rescue console is the only thing to establish a connection at this times |
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| 02:03.37 | k-man | Szeraax, yeah.... i need to set one up for my mum... and I can't be arsed having to go down stairs to adjust it |
| 02:03.38 | asg | k-man: if thte irrigation system outputs information in a consistent way, some quick Perl-Fu should do the trick. |
| 02:04.01 | k-man | asg, no, it just needs to control solenoids to do the watering |
| 02:04.02 | Szeraax | i agree with asg, |
| 02:04.07 | k-man | asg, turn them off and on is all |
| 02:04.19 | Szeraax | yeah, thats what he's saying |
| 02:04.26 | k-man | asg, there is no feedback from the watering system |
| 02:04.27 | Cheef-Daniel | I cant figure out if it is my rootserver or my hoster |
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| 02:04.54 | Szeraax | find out how the control box sends out the signal to turn on\off and then use something (perl maybe) to mimic that |
| 02:05.21 | Szeraax | then connect it to the wire from the box to controls |
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| 02:08.58 | shadowarts | hi, im running sarge and i installed htop, when i run it i get an instant seg fault and my blinking cursor disappears, anyone expeircence this as well? |
| 02:10.29 | zenwryly | Is there a way to run the installer step that detects other OSes and installs the bootloader? |
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| 02:11.06 | De_Mon | grr I have to restart all my services after this machine boots |
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| 02:12.21 | abrotman | hothotdog ? |
| 02:12.30 | CompWizrd | Szeraax: and have buckets available during testing. |
| 02:12.56 | pyrohotdog | Just made the upgrade to 4.0 with apt-get dist-upgrade, everything seems to have worked. cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0, but running apt-get update gives errors saying conflicting distribution? |
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| 02:13.12 | pyrohotdog | ? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: paste your sources somewhere |
| 02:13.26 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:13.27 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:13.43 | Szeraax | lol |
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| 02:15.36 | smacnay | Hi folks, I need pointers on stopping modules from loading in an initrd kernel's boot. |
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| 02:16.07 | smacnay | I have tried adding "blacklist module" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to no avail. |
| 02:17.37 | Hunnur | okay, somthing up with the new lvm2 initrd in sid? |
| 02:18.48 | De_Mon | Hunnur you made a statement and ended it with a questionmark |
| 02:19.04 | Hunnur | s/somthing/is something/ |
| 02:19.35 | Hunnur | I'm getting recursive dependencies on /scripts/local-top |
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| 02:20.06 | Hunnur | and nothing looks circular, but it looks like it depends on mdadm which doesn't exist |
| 02:20.24 | smacnay | Hi is the hotplug package no longer used as a standard? |
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| 02:26.49 | markybob | smacnay: no. hotplug has gone to hell |
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| 02:27.42 | smacnay | markybob: I see that it was installed with my network etch install - what is used now? |
| 02:27.52 | markybob | smacnay: udev makes up for it |
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| 02:28.07 | smacnay | I am running gnome (basically a virgin install here). |
| 02:28.18 | markybob | gnome uses hal |
| 02:28.20 | markybob | iirc |
| 02:28.33 | smacnay | so no issues if I remove hotplug. |
| 02:28.46 | smacnay | markybob: I believe you are correct |
| 02:29.06 | markybob | smacnay: i actually thought hotplug conflicted with udev. i'd get rid of it |
| 02:29.25 | k-man | upgrading to etch, aptitude is failing to connect to http://keihanna.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/webdin32.exe |
| 02:29.34 | k-man | it keeps retrying |
| 02:29.46 | k-man | will eventually give up? |
| 02:29.48 | smacnay | I see that hotplug is not installed, udev is, but have /etc/hotplug directories. Interesting. |
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| 02:30.52 | lontra | k-man: msttcorefonts is hanging up your upgrade? that's kind of comical. even in linux, ms screws stuff up...i think that server will eventually time up and give up |
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| 02:31.41 | smacnay | markybob: how do I keep modules from loading with an initrd kernel? I have tried adding the module names to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it didn't work. |
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| 02:32.30 | markybob | smacnay: not sure. i dont use initrd. push comes to shove you could probably just rm the modules from /lib/modules/`uname -r` ...cant load what's not there |
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| 02:34.30 | smacnay | markybob: true |
| 02:35.02 | k-man | lontra, it keeps timing out and retrying, it is up to retry 15 now |
| 02:35.11 | nomasteryoda | i would mv instead of rm |
| 02:35.14 | nomasteryoda | just in case |
| 02:35.43 | lontra | k-man: well you could remove the package msttcorefonts |
| 02:35.53 | k-man | ok |
| 02:36.03 | Ronin | apparently im too stupid tonight to get x working :) |
| 02:36.07 | lontra | k-man: it would require that you kill aptitude probably |
| 02:36.17 | lontra | Ronin: honesty is a virtue |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman_ | Ronin: what was last night ? |
| 02:36.30 | k-man | yeah... well, i hit ctrl-c and the subprocess has been abandoned now, and its continuing the install |
| 02:36.33 | Ronin | abrotman_: beer |
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| 02:36.38 | abrotman_ | hehe |
| 02:36.54 | Ronin | damn thing refuses to find /dev/input/mice so no x, grr |
| 02:37.07 | abrotman | PS2 mouse ? |
| 02:37.14 | Ronin | usb |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev ? |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | modprobe usbhid ? |
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| 02:38.46 | The_Ball | My debian system (3.1) says "INIT: Entering runlevel: 3" but does not start any runlevel three services, nor the rmnologin "service" |
| 02:38.54 | The_Ball | What could be the cause of that? |
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| 02:39.27 | Ronin | catch is to make it permanant abrotman |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | put it in /etc/modules ? |
| 02:39.42 | lontra | add it to /etc/modules? |
| 02:39.45 | lontra | damn it... |
| 02:39.57 | Ronin | jinx |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | Ronin: fixed now ? |
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| 02:42.57 | paolob | Hi guys! What proxy do I have in debian? I'm looking for a simple one |
| 02:43.01 | Ronin | im in x, going to test it tomorrow to see if it stays, too lazy tonight, thanks though :) |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | paolob: squid ? |
| 02:43.25 | paolob | abrotman, why do you put the final "?" |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | because ? |
| 02:43.39 | Ronin | heh |
| 02:43.47 | jimmybgood | huh |
| 02:43.49 | Perdignus | Hello - I brushed off an old laptop, have WiFi working but can't get ethernet working to save my life |
| 02:43.52 | nomasteryoda | and if you want a great gui to manage squid, i would use webmin.... |
| 02:44.04 | abrotman | Perdignus: need more details |
| 02:44.06 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:44.07 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 02:44.14 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | !info webmin etch |
| 02:44.18 | Szeraax | can i reinstall debian without actually getting rid of anything? |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | !+info webmin etch |
| 02:44.22 | dpkg | Package 'webmin' does not exist. |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | WOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | dpkg: party! |
| 02:44.30 | dpkg | methinks party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 02:44.33 | Guerin | Szeraax: define `anything' |
| 02:44.34 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 02:44.51 | Szeraax | namly my packages already installed |
| 02:44.59 | Perdignus | abrotman my eth0 and eth1 are both pcmcia, eth1 is wifi and working, can't get eth0 up |
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| 02:45.07 | Perdignus | abrotman I get "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
| 02:45.13 | Szeraax | mostly, i want to reinstall grub |
| 02:45.19 | Perdignus | I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting |
| 02:45.22 | Guerin | Szeraax: what's preventing you? |
| 02:45.29 | Szeraax | i tried booting to cd and doing the grub fix thingy |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | is pcmciautils installed .. or whatever it is ? |
| 02:45.41 | ansong | so who so far has updated to lenny? |
| 02:45.46 | Perdignus | abrotman pcmiautils is |
| 02:45.50 | Ronin | ansong: not me, im a stable man |
| 02:46.00 | abrotman | Perdignus: lspcmcia or cardctl show anything useful ? |
| 02:46.02 | Szeraax | (fixmbr) but i get the error /dev/ide/host0/bus0/lun0/dist does not have any BIOS drive |
| 02:46.53 | Perdignus | abrotman yes, lspcmcia shows a wrong driver "xirc2ps_cs" for eth0, must be hard coded somewhere? |
| 02:47.15 | Perdignus | the card is actually an Intel etherexpress pro 10/100 |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | is it a xircom card ? |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | what's eth1 ? |
| 02:47.28 | Szeraax | ethernet |
| 02:47.31 | Szeraax | usually |
| 02:47.34 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:47.40 | Perdignus | Orinoco WiFi, which shows correctly |
| 02:47.41 | Szeraax | maybe a wireless card pretending to be a wire |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | Szeraax: hush |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | Perdignus: so if you modprobe e100 .. does it show up ? |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | Perdignus: you can unload the "wrong" module |
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| 02:48.39 | Perdignus | e100 loads, but that's it, I can't rmmod the xircom though, I get "ERROR: Module xirc2ps_cs is in use" |
| 02:49.03 | pagan0ne | can someone help me what a really bad apt get problem? |
| 02:49.30 | ansong | pagan0ne: we can try, if you give some more details |
| 02:49.52 | pagan0ne | apt on my system decided to eat itself, i installed vmware and a new kernel at the same time, i never rebooted into the new kernel, and apparently vmware installed a set of headers for this new kernel too, the new kernel wont boot right due to nvidia crap, so i am trying to remove the new kernel, but apt-get hangs while trying to remove some vmware header crap, basically i want apt-get to STOP trying to uninstall the vmware headers |
| 02:50.14 | pagan0ne | every time i try to install or remove anything (even sompthing trivial) apt hangs trying to remove the vmware-headers |
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| 02:51.22 | ansong | vmware is in the repo? i always 'alien'ed the rpms |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | ansong: no |
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| 02:51.39 | Szeraax | give it a commandline switch to force it to not uninstall whatever you need not to |
| 02:51.41 | pagan0ne | vmware-player is in the kubuntu repo |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | Perdignus: lspcmcia .. what's the id ? |
| 02:52.05 | Ronin | umm pagan0ne youre not running debian? or are you mixing and matching |
| 02:52.19 | markybob | pagan0ne: ...kubuntu is not debian |
| 02:52.21 | pagan0ne | Ronin: im running kubuntu, those guys sent me here |
| 02:52.25 | markybob | pagan0ne: read the topic |
| 02:52.29 | annika_hansen | how to download DVD image with jigdo?? |
| 02:52.46 | Perdignus | abrotman: Socket 0 Device 0: [xirc2ps_cs] (bus ID: 0.0) |
| 02:53.03 | ansong | ah, just a display driver for running debian in a vmware vm |
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| 02:53.24 | abrotman | Perdignus: does it have some sort of .. device ID ? |
| 02:53.35 | Ronin | pagan0ne: and back you go |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | Perdignus: like 45de:42ff |
| 02:53.47 | annika_hansen | JIGDO!! |
| 02:53.56 | smacnay | ok, now I am getting peeved. I can't seem to stop unwanted modules from loading on this initrd kernel. |
| 02:54.07 | abrotman | smacnay: /msg dpkg blacklist ? |
| 02:54.22 | Perdignus | abrotman: does " 0000:00:0b.0" look better? |
| 02:54.36 | smacnay | I have blacklisted them in three locations but will look at abrotman's suggestion. |
| 02:54.46 | abrotman | Perdignus: eh .. maybe |
| 02:55.17 | annika_hansen | HOW DO YOU DOWNLOAD dvd images WITH JIGDO?? |
| 02:55.35 | Ronin | annika_hansen: no need to yell |
| 02:55.37 | markybob | annika_hansen: damnit, dont use all caps! and read the doc on debian.org that tells you how! |
| 02:55.55 | ansong | pagan0ne: infortunately i'm not a (k)ubuntu expert (ok, so i'm not a debian expert either, but at least i run it). you've got a problem with software that's not even in debian |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 02:56.00 | dpkg | well, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 02:56.14 | aFlag | annika_hansen: WHAT?! |
| 02:56.18 | pagan0ne | ok, well how about a generic debian question? where is the apt-get database stored? not the sources.list? the actual database where apt keeps track of what is installed and what is not |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | pagan0ne: please go to #ubuntu |
| 02:56.34 | annika_hansen | so....NOBODY here knows how to use jigdo!! |
| 02:56.35 | Perdignus | abrotman: this is weird, "lspcmcia" shows xirxcom on id 0, but "lscpcmcia -v" shows the Intel card |
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| 02:56.42 | abrotman | annika_hansen: then use the netinst |
| 02:56.43 | smacnay | abrotman: ahhh! "install xxx /bin/true" hmmm... |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | !!! |
| 02:56.44 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 02:56.59 | aFlag | annika_hansen: JUDO? |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | Perdignus: eh uh weird ? |
| 02:57.01 | annika_hansen | i WANT the DVD!!! |
| 02:57.08 | markybob | annika_hansen: stop being an idiot |
| 02:57.14 | abrotman | bittorrent ? |
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| 02:57.20 | epsilon | fi you are stupid to read the doc, get the normal DVD images |
| 02:57.22 | aFlag | annika_hansen: then BUY IT! |
| 02:57.28 | markybob | annika_hansen: read the fucking page that tells you how to use jidgo with dvd |
| 02:57.29 | annika_hansen | bittorrent SUCKS!!! |
| 02:57.37 | epsilon | then buy them |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | !tell annika_hansen about jigdo |
| 02:57.49 | annika_hansen | Im BROKE!!! |
| 02:57.52 | markybob | fucking piece of fucking shit |
| 02:57.53 | epsilon | and if it still suck, stay with windows |
| 02:57.56 | Ronin | tell annika_hansen abotu patience and caps lock |
| 02:58.04 | markybob | annika_hansen: *read* the doc! how hard is tha? |
| 02:58.07 | markybob | that* |
| 02:58.14 | annika_hansen | i CANT READ!!! |
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| 02:58.19 | epsilon | and now please mute that troll |
| 02:58.22 | markybob | mother fucker |
| 02:58.29 | cafuego_ | heh |
| 02:58.31 | Szeraax | wow |
| 02:58.33 | Ronin | annika_hansen: please go troll elsewhere |
| 02:58.34 | cafuego_ | Are we having fun yet? |
| 02:58.41 | Szeraax | that's amazing for irc chatting... |
| 02:58.46 | ansong | that's pretty obvious, they haven't been trolling long |
| 02:58.47 | h00t | how can i install extra screensavers |
| 02:58.54 | annika_hansen | some help YOU people are!!!! |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | go cry elsewhere |
| 02:59.17 | aFlag | annika_hansen: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 02:59.22 | smacnay | abrotman: ah, 'update-initramfs -u' to make my changes in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist take effect - thanks for the /msg dpkg tip. |
| 02:59.26 | cafuego_ | annika_hansen: Install jigdo, download the jido files. Run 'jigdo <jigdo_file>' |
| 02:59.30 | smacnay | abrotman: now to reboot |
| 02:59.38 | h00t | annika_hansen, you would be better off drying in your mama's ass crack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 02:59.39 | Perdignus | To fix this hing "Please add "autodetect=1" to force probe where would I add "autodetect=1" ? |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | cafuego: it's a troll |
| 02:59.44 | annika_hansen | WHAT??? |
| 02:59.52 | cafuego_ | abrotman: Yeh |
| 02:59.58 | ansong | h00t: aptitude install rss-glx if you've got a decent video card |
| 03:00.01 | cafuego_ | h00t: you're not being helpful |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | Perdignus: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 03:00.29 | h00t | cafuego, sorry he's being a snot |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | Perdignus: or /etc/modutils/ |
| 03:00.34 | smacnay | annika_hansen: how is your gold swing... oops - thats sorensen |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | h00t: it's call trolling |
| 03:00.39 | smacnay | oops |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | called |
| 03:00.43 | smacnay | golF swing |
| 03:00.56 | ansong | h00t: otherwise go to either www.gnome-look.org or www.kde-look.org and follow their instructions |
| 03:00.59 | Perdignus | abrotman in aliases in either of those dirs? |
| 03:01.01 | cafuego_ | h00t: that's what /ignore is for. |
| 03:01.06 | annika_hansen | how DO YOU download DVD IMAGES with JIGDO!?!?!?!? |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | Perdignus: let me double check |
| 03:01.15 | h00t | ansong, thanx |
| 03:01.18 | Guerin | smacnay: sorenstam? |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | !tell annika_hansen about jigdo |
| 03:01.20 | Ronin | bah someone get an @ |
| 03:01.30 | smacnay | Guerin: sorry, you are correct |
| 03:01.39 | cafuego_ | annika_hansen: Install jigdo, download the .jigdo files. Run 'jigdo <jigdo_file>' |
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| 03:01.58 | cafuego_ | annika_hansen: it's really not that hard. Think of it like bittorrent. |
| 03:02.32 | zinx | why not just use the netinstall CD? :X |
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| 03:02.39 | annika_hansen | i want to download ETCH DVD IMAGE with jigdo..... can you PLEASE PRINT OUT the COMMAND LINE!?!?!? |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | see |
| 03:02.50 | Ronin | heh right on time |
| 03:02.56 | cafuego_ | annika_hansen: No, it is not possibl to download a dvd image with jigdo. |
| 03:02.57 | abrotman | annika_hansen: can you read ? |
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| 03:03.03 | h00t | can somone confirm ... i've heard that ppl have actualy better preformance w/ OS "radeon" drivers then w/ "fglx" binary from ATI ... also do ATI OS drivers support some 3D Acc. |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | cafuego_: the templates are there |
| 03:03.15 | annika_hansen | NO!!!! I CANT READ!!!!! |
| 03:03.18 | markybob | and he's been told where/how |
| 03:03.21 | ApEtc | Then Debian is not for you. |
| 03:03.26 | cafuego_ | abrotman: Sure, it downoads packages, but not dvd images ;-) |
| 03:03.28 | Ronin | !ops annika_hansen is trolling, badly too |
| 03:03.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: annika_hansen is trolling, badly too |
| 03:03.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 03:03.53 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@d192-24-127-188.try.wideopenwest.com] by mentor |
| 03:03.53 | *** kick/#debian [annika_hansen!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 03:03.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 03:03.58 | h00t | heh ... |
| 03:04.00 | ApEtc | danke |
| 03:04.04 | DocPlatypus | the kick is up and it's good! |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
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| 03:04.29 | cafuego_ | Hmm, bread. |
| 03:04.33 | ansong | h00t: radeon does have some 3d accel. and it supports some older radeon cards the fglrx does not |
| 03:04.35 | mentor | mmm. dinner. |
| 03:04.48 | Guerin | beer is food |
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| 03:04.54 | Ronin | Guerin: indeed |
| 03:05.09 | aFlag | beer is as good as bread |
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| 03:05.32 | ansong | aFlag: i've never gotten sick from eating too much bread |
| 03:05.33 | Szeraax | unless its spoiled... |
| 03:05.34 | Szeraax | :P |
| 03:05.37 | h00t | ansong, I, for 1st time in my life bought ATI card and I can see that to install proprietary drivers for it is much more complicated then NVidia ... is there a DEbian wiki for this ... |
| 03:06.17 | markybob | ansong: obviously you dont know much about the military. as punishment they give men bread and water for days...it's meant to fuck up your stomach and it does. |
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| 03:06.37 | h00t | you only get to drink "so much" beer in your life ... i was done by 21 |
| 03:06.43 | ansong | h00t: i'm running etch. aptitude search fglrx returns some promising looking hits |
| 03:06.58 | aFlag | ansong: and I've never gotten sick from drinking too much beer. It's just a matter of eating and drinking only to a certain point :) |
| 03:07.33 | mentor | Lies, you just need to replace the user servicable components/liver |
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| 03:07.55 | ansong | markybob: i've never gotten in trouble like that, that's for sure |
| 03:07.57 | h00t | can someone tell the bot to tell me about ATI ... or tell me how to tell the bot to tell me |
| 03:07.59 | ambose_ | i want to backup '/' of a remote drive to a local one, using rsync. for source, should i specify 'ip-addr:/'? |
| 03:08.12 | mentor | h00t: /msg it |
| 03:08.27 | h00t | what's its name |
| 03:08.32 | ansong | dpkg |
| 03:08.58 | Perdignus | Is there another module I need to load for ehternet support? mii is loaded, anything else maybe that I'm missing? |
| 03:09.01 | h00t | thanx |
| 03:09.16 | ambose_ | heh? |
| 03:09.48 | Guerin | ambose_: what does man rsync say? |
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| 03:10.06 | ambose_ | Guerin: nothing on this, afaik. |
| 03:10.07 | Guerin | ambose_: (hint: you need to make it log in as a user) |
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| 03:10.53 | jpsamara | Do you guys think the next debian will be released within a year? |
| 03:10.58 | Guerin | jpsamara: no. |
| 03:11.02 | Szeraax | nope |
| 03:11.04 | ambose_ | Guerin: that would be auto prompted, isn't it? |
| 03:11.20 | smacnay | abrotman: well, I think I followed the dpkg instructions and ran update-initramfs to update my non-loading modules. They are simply listed in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - do I need to use the "install module_name /bin/true" syntax as well? |
| 03:11.28 | jpsamara | Guerin: the new DL wants faster release cycle |
| 03:11.42 | abrotman | smacnay: something might depend on them |
| 03:11.48 | smacnay | abrotman: but with /bin/false ? |
| 03:11.56 | abrotman | oh yeah .. |
| 03:12.17 | ambose_ | Guerin: is my spec for the source right or wrong? |
| 03:12.28 | smacnay | abrotman: why are all the modules listed from the installation just plainly listed I wonder. |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | who what? |
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| 03:13.51 | smacnay | abrotman: in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, there are a bunch of modules listed from the default install. None have a "install module_name /bin/true" syntax. |
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| 03:15.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:15.31 | Guerin | ambose_: no, you'd specify root@host:/path or somesuch |
| 03:15.50 | abrotman | smacnay: it's /bin/true . .not /sbin/false |
| 03:15.51 | Guerin | ambose_: rsync has various options for its remote shell, but uses ssh by default, I think |
| 03:16.16 | smacnay | abrotman: /bin/true to blacklist them? ok. |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 03:16.23 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 03:16.49 | Guerin | jpsamara: the elections are still on for DPL, are they not? |
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| 03:17.35 | maddash | great, now i have to upgrade. |
| 03:17.37 | ambose__ | Guerin: ok. and it will prompt for the root password of the remote system. |
| 03:17.41 | abrotman | Guerin: over |
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| 03:18.11 | Guerin | abrotman: oh. Who won? |
| 03:18.20 | Guerin | i thought it was finishing this week or something |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | Guerin: the frenchie |
| 03:18.42 | Guerin | i see |
| 03:18.52 | Guerin | this sam hocevar character, of whom I have not heard |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | Guerin: the zoy.org guy |
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| 03:20.19 | Guerin | oh, the vlc character |
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| 03:22.04 | ambose___ | Guerin: i am doing it via a script. if i want to use the exclude file in the remote system, will the full path name be 'ip-addr:local path name of the file' or do i have to include 'root@' too? |
| 03:23.09 | Guerin | ambose___: the exclude is a simple pattern match, you needn't specify user@host |
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| 03:24.45 | ambose | Guerin: thks, will go give it a try. |
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| 03:25.21 | Ronin` | son of a BEEP |
| 03:25.28 | markybob | bitch? |
| 03:25.57 | Ronin | ya that too |
| 03:26.02 | abrotman | make it work! |
| 03:26.08 | Ronin | working on it |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | dpkg: work it |
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| 03:26.18 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:27.13 | lepine_h | how can i list packages installed on my machine, alongside which repository the were installed from? |
| 03:27.52 | dondelelcaro | lepine_h: you can't. |
| 03:28.15 | lepine_h | sad |
| 03:28.19 | mentor | lepine_h: apt-cache policy |
| 03:28.30 | mentor | !installed packages |
| 03:28.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 03:28.39 | mentor | It's not pretty |
| 03:28.46 | lepine_h | geez |
| 03:29.09 | dondelelcaro | lepine_h: it's not possible to know after the fact where a package came from; you can list the possibilities, and you can see the logs, but even that's not complete. |
| 03:29.10 | abrotman | mentor: that doesn't show where |
| 03:29.25 | lepine_h | ive got some packages from backports ... and want to upgrade to etch ... i thought of uninstalling all backports before upgrading ... is that a sound idea? |
| 03:29.30 | Szeraax | where does aptitude save what you have installed? |
| 03:29.40 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: it doesn't. Dpkg does. |
| 03:29.53 | brottman | I'm kinda new to Debian coming from Ubuntu. I installed Etch and upgraded it to unstable (sid). How long does it usually take after a release before new versions of Gnome and kernels begin trickling through? |
| 03:29.55 | Szeraax | ok, where does Dpkg save the list of installed packages? |
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| 03:30.00 | Szeraax | (yes, that's what i meant) |
| 03:30.04 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: and it stores it in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 03:30.10 | Szeraax | thanks |
| 03:30.25 | lepine_h | actually ... packages from backports are tagged ~bpo.X |
| 03:30.30 | dondelelcaro | brottman: they're already in experimental and other places. |
| 03:30.32 | lepine_h | so i can grep dpg -l then |
| 03:30.42 | dondelelcaro | lepine_h: generally, yes, but they don't ahve to be. |
| 03:30.59 | lepine_h | the list i get seems rather complete ... |
| 03:31.07 | brottman | dondelelcaro: I understand that, how long does it usually take for them to reach unstable, following the release of Etch? |
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| 03:31.26 | dondelelcaro | brottman: once they're uploaded, they're there. How long that takes depends on the maintainer. |
| 03:31.36 | brottman | ok, thanks |
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| 03:32.21 | Szeraax | so can you install debian without overwriting /etc /usr /var, (some on / partition, some on own partitons) |
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| 03:33.03 | Guerin | Szeraax: how would that be possible? |
| 03:33.09 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: uh... why would you want to do that? |
| 03:33.26 | abrotman | it'd like .. not be debian :) |
| 03:33.28 | dondelelcaro | I mean, it's possible by using unionfs or aufs, but it's kind of unusual |
| 03:33.30 | lepine_h | am i the only one who thinks uninstalling backports before upgrading to etch is a good idea? |
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| 03:33.39 | Szeraax | to get the installation to go through, so it will let me write my mbr (which i cant do with just the command line and fixmbr |
| 03:33.44 | n-iCe | Why debian doesn't use iwconfig ? |
| 03:33.51 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: uh... it does? |
| 03:33.56 | Szeraax | it does |
| 03:34.00 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: why can't you just do it using the command line? |
| 03:34.36 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 03:34.43 | n-iCe | weird |
| 03:34.48 | n-iCe | well thank you |
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| 03:35.21 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: `it doesn't work' |
| 03:35.22 | lepine_h | can i do apt-get remove php5* ? |
| 03:35.30 | Guerin | lepine_h: you have our permission |
| 03:35.44 | Szeraax | bc i get the error " /dev/ide/host0/bus0/lun0/dist does not have any corresponding BIOS drives" |
| 03:35.46 | lepine_h | if i wanted permission, i would have asked 'may i' |
| 03:35.59 | lepine_h | may is for permission, can is for ability :P |
| 03:36.02 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: why are you using a devfs kernel? |
| 03:36.03 | Szeraax | i tried various adaptations of the basic fixmbr command |
| 03:36.14 | Szeraax | (i fixed my no /usr problam and such |
| 03:36.18 | Guerin | lepine_h: good point. But your question is moot, because we can't know your ability. |
| 03:36.27 | Szeraax | i'm using the latest etch |
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| 03:36.42 | lepine_h | actually, i was just wondering if apt-get would understand that wildcard |
| 03:36.49 | hark | Szeraax: it's kinda possible, you set the root mount point in the installer partition screen(do not format..), then hit escape to enter expert mode. Jump to the Bootloader part. |
| 03:36.53 | Guerin | lepine_h: anyway, i don't think it does understand * |
| 03:36.55 | Guerin | lepine_h: heh |
| 03:36.57 | Szeraax | and no i didnt tell it to install grun to the /dev/ide/host0... |
| 03:37.04 | lepine_h | Guerin: thank you! |
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| 03:37.11 | hark | iiuyc |
| 03:37.15 | dondelelcaro | Szeraax: so run grub from the command line and have it install to the proper device |
| 03:37.17 | Szeraax | cool |
| 03:37.21 | Szeraax | and i kidna tried that |
| 03:37.29 | Szeraax | i tried |
| 03:37.31 | Guerin | echidna? |
| 03:37.32 | markybob | Guerin: it should work |
| 03:37.39 | Szeraax | i did grub-insall /hda |
| 03:37.46 | hark | !fixmbr |
| 03:37.47 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 03:37.50 | Szeraax | (of course chrooted into my hda1 debian |
| 03:37.51 | Ronin | crap abrotman, did a reboot and it didnt' keep, |
| 03:37.53 | markybob | lepine_h: try it. apt-get remove php5* works here |
| 03:38.12 | abrotman | he's here too!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:38.14 | Szeraax | going to go tryharks way |
| 03:38.30 | Ronin | bwhahahahah |
| 03:38.31 | Szeraax | it is like what i've tried before, but here goes... |
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| 03:39.02 | lepine_h | sweetness, doing so |
| 03:39.42 | yigal | has anyone had trouble using a Intellimouse ps/2 mouse on debian? Everytime I have to reboot psmouse.c, I am assuming module psmouse fails to recognize the mouse. I have to unplug/plug the mouse in each time. |
| 03:40.05 | abrotman | is the module in /etc/modules ? |
| 03:40.10 | Guerin | yigal: echo psmouse >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 03:40.11 | yigal | yes |
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| 03:40.35 | abrotman | Ronin: sleepy time .. quickly! |
| 03:40.51 | yigal | yes infact I altered it a number of times adding an adjective to it |
| 03:41.02 | yigal | each time no go |
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| 03:41.50 | yigal | I was trying to switch back from Ubuntu to Debian because I like Debian's cleaner look but the mouse problem seems a problem |
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| 03:42.33 | yigal | I even compiled a 2.6.20 kernel in hopes that it could be the problem but it wasn't and the mouse continues to fail |
| 03:42.50 | penrod | greetings, I have a new etch installation and have not seen this before. I have set up the nic in /etc/networking/interfaces as eth0 and eth1, dmesg shows both network cards being recognized. |
| 03:43.10 | yigal | penrod: thats awsome |
| 03:43.12 | penrod | whenI do an ifconfig -a it shows eth2 and eth3 , I am confuded |
| 03:43.19 | penrod | confuded = confused |
| 03:43.40 | yigal | are you connected to the internet with either? |
| 03:43.55 | penrod | yigl: no |
| 03:44.32 | penrod | the machine is sitting on the inside of a network |
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| 03:45.02 | reiser2 | Hi |
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| 03:45.08 | yigal | so connecting the "outside" world with one of the 2 eth1 eth2 should help identify what is going on or eth3, right? |
| 03:45.11 | lua- | "If you are currently running a 2.6 series kernel from sarge this upgrade will take place automatically after you do a full upgrade of the system packages (as described in Upgrading packages, Section 4.5)." <- This doesn't happen... |
| 03:45.12 | penrod | if I change the /etc/networking/interfaces to eth2 and eth3, it seems to work, eth3 will grab an address from the dhcp server |
| 03:45.19 | reiser2 | talking from Debian 4.0R0 |
| 03:45.20 | xbaez | hi congrats for release |
| 03:45.21 | reiser2 | :) |
| 03:45.44 | yigal | your eth0 is your ethernet? |
| 03:45.53 | yigal | do you have an ethernet port? |
| 03:46.01 | penrod | yigal: yes |
| 03:46.10 | yigal | thats probably it |
| 03:46.10 | penrod | yigal: I have 2 ethernet cards |
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| 03:46.17 | yigal | eth2 and eth3 |
| 03:46.27 | yigal | ? |
| 03:46.45 | reiser2 | is wonderfull |
| 03:46.56 | penrod | yigal: yes, however when I boot up , they are identified as eth0 and eth1 which is what I would expect. |
| 03:47.26 | penrod | when the dhcp-client kicks in it claims there is no interface to bind to. |
| 03:47.43 | yigal | do you have network manager running? |
| 03:47.59 | penrod | yigal: network manager ? |
| 03:48.10 | yigal | crazy crappy gnome stuff? |
| 03:48.24 | penrod | yigal: cli only no gui |
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| 03:48.35 | yigal | that is what I am talking about |
| 03:48.36 | xbaez | question, i have a intel core 2 duo preocessor, and i want to know which debian is better if i386 or 64-bit |
| 03:48.52 | Guerin | xbaez: if you have to ask, run i386 |
| 03:49.02 | Guerin | xbaez: amd64 can mean more work and less fun |
| 03:49.06 | yigal | xbaez: are those 2-core 64 or 32 bit? |
| 03:49.15 | Guerin | if you don't know whether you need it, you almost certainly don't |
| 03:49.26 | yigal | agreed!!! |
| 03:50.04 | yigal | although I think i686 is what is used now adays |
| 03:50.11 | yigal | but its the same idea as i386 |
| 03:50.45 | yigal | penrod: what do you use for irc if you use the CLI for your work? |
| 03:50.54 | yigal | excuse me all your work |
| 03:51.08 | kixmix | yigal: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. |
| 03:51.09 | penrod | yigal: I have a windoze machine |
| 03:51.27 | yigal | penrod: why? |
| 03:51.28 | penrod | yigal: the linux boxes are file servers |
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| 03:51.36 | yigal | penrod? oh ok |
| 03:52.06 | penrod | yigal: because I support ~60 windows machines and can never remember what the screens look like. |
| 03:52.13 | xbaez | Guerin, yigal ok thanks |
| 03:52.59 | lua- | eh!... Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? |
| 03:52.59 | lua- | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 03:53.02 | lua- | Removing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ... |
| 03:53.08 | lua- | i chose no :( |
| 03:53.11 | yigal | ow |
| 03:53.24 | lua- | why did it want to proceed if i chose no?.. jeez |
| 03:53.39 | yigal | what command did you give it lua |
| 03:53.48 | lua- | i just pressed enter, since No is the default |
| 03:53.49 | reiser2 | this 4.0r0 is very good |
| 03:54.11 | reiser2 | detect my video without problems, new features |
| 03:54.40 | yigal | I thought it was "yes" that you don't want to remove it |
| 03:54.58 | lua- | oh wait i see what it did |
| 03:55.06 | lua- | it removed the 386 kernel image which i wasn't using |
| 03:55.13 | lua- | not my 686 one which i am running.. |
| 03:55.17 | lua- | but the error makes me uneasy |
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| 03:55.32 | yigal | lua: the problems of rebooting :) |
| 03:56.02 | jonathansizz | is it recommended for a desktop system to switch from testing to etch for a while till things settle down? |
| 03:56.48 | nite613 | I just upgraded php4 to php5 in etch and http is no longer listed as under "Registere PHP Streams" in phpinfo(), what am I missing? |
| 03:57.08 | yigal | penrod: when you issue #invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 03:57.14 | yigal | penrod: what happens? |
| 03:57.21 | lepine_h | is anyone willing to handhold me through sarge -> etch ? |
| 03:57.39 | lua- | this is pretty bad though |
| 03:57.49 | lua- | i don't have the new kernel image installed |
| 03:57.51 | yigal | lepine_h: change the repos and apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:57.52 | kixmix | yigal: that doesn't look right |
| 03:57.57 | lua- | and some symlinks i think that are neccesary are gone |
| 03:58.05 | yigal | lua: I'm sorry |
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| 03:58.17 | yigal | lua: just reinstall |
| 03:58.21 | lua- | i can't |
| 03:58.24 | penrod | yigal: no such device.......failed to bring up eth0 |
| 03:58.28 | lua- | it's located at a datacenter |
| 03:58.28 | yigal | lua:why not? |
| 03:58.44 | yigal | lua: do you have CD, DVD with you? |
| 03:59.02 | lua- | how will that help? |
| 03:59.11 | yigal | penrod: no after you issue #invoke-rc.d networking restart what is ifconfig -a |
| 03:59.14 | lepine_h | yigal: , what repost do i change to ? |
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| 03:59.25 | yigal | etch |
| 03:59.40 | yigal | lepine_h: yes? |
| 03:59.46 | penrod | yigal: eth2 and eth3 |
| 04:00.06 | wols_ | nite613: php5 apache mod |
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| 04:00.10 | yigal | so penrod: what if you #ifup eth2, for instance |
| 04:00.20 | froze | Is it possible to install sarge with the new installer? |
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| 04:00.29 | Guerin | froze: nttbomk |
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| 04:00.30 | penrod | yigal: tried that , same thing, no such device etc. |
| 04:00.34 | yigal | froze: why would you want to? |
| 04:00.48 | Guerin | froze: it does give you the option but I believe it is broken |
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| 04:01.00 | froze | Looking to install debian cluster components but it is based on the sarge install and it doesn;t like etch |
| 04:01.09 | penrod | yigal: however if I change /etc/network/initerfaces to eth2 and eth3 , everything works as you would expect |
| 04:01.10 | yigal | penrod: but ifconfig -a has eth2, eth3? |
| 04:01.12 | lepine_h | yigal sorry to be a whining bitch, but does this sources.list seem good to you? http://pastebin.ca/432254 |
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| 04:01.33 | penrod | yigal: exactly, weird |
| 04:01.42 | yigal | lepine_h: your cool man everything is cool |
| 04:01.56 | wols_ | lepine_h: 2nd line is superfluos |
| 04:02.38 | lepine_h | oki doki |
| 04:02.41 | wols_ | penrod: udev renames your network cards |
| 04:02.42 | yigal | lepine_h: agreed |
| 04:03.10 | froze | so sarge is only get-able if dl the comlete set of iso' from cdimage/archive? |
| 04:03.19 | wols_ | froze: no |
| 04:03.24 | penrod | wols: udev ? |
| 04:03.25 | wols_ | sarge has netinst too |
| 04:03.31 | wols_ | !udev |
| 04:03.32 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 04:03.38 | yigal | penord: udev |
| 04:04.11 | wols_ | froze: why do you want the new installer? |
| 04:04.22 | nite613 | wols_: libapache-mod-php5 is installed |
| 04:04.28 | yigal | wols_: more like why does froze want the old installer |
| 04:04.30 | froze | wols_: I don't, I just could not find the sarge netinst |
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| 04:05.11 | froze | DCC debian cluster components, I am trying to build a cluster and the tools are only setup to work with sarge |
| 04:05.47 | wols_ | froze: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 04:06.03 | nite613 | The LoadModule line is in my apache config, and it has been restarted, but no http/https listed in the Registered streams :( |
| 04:06.21 | froze | my thinking is that a sarge install -> dcc install ->(hopefully) upgrade to etch |
| 04:06.30 | wols_ | nite613: what if you try a php webpage? does it work? |
| 04:06.37 | froze | thanks wols_ |
| 04:06.45 | nite613 | yes, I can get the phpinfo() data from a page |
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| 04:10.53 | beoba | the current version of apache 1.x is 1.3.37 |
| 04:11.24 | markybob | which all of zero people care about |
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| 04:12.48 | nite613 | Registered PHP Streams only says "zip" |
| 04:12.57 | nite613 | No http or https :( What am I doing wrong? |
| 04:13.10 | dos000 | hi. Anyone knows how to add entries to /etc/resolv.conf when using dhcp in sarge ? I cant switch to a static addres. And the dchp keeps resetting the nameserver to the wrong (not working) dns server. |
| 04:13.18 | markybob | nite613: ask #php or #apache ? |
| 04:13.45 | nite613 | markybob: I guess I will. But it was fine with php4 and I did an upgrade to php5, so it seems like a debian issue to me |
| 04:13.58 | markybob | nite613: did you enable it? |
| 04:14.04 | markybob | nite613: a2enmod php5 ? |
| 04:14.23 | jahshua | anyone else here having problems with ALSA on sid ? |
| 04:14.30 | jahshua | my sound has gone. :/ |
| 04:14.34 | nite613 | markybob: apache 1.3, and it seems to be working... |
| 04:14.44 | markybob | ah. ok. good then |
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| 04:15.38 | nite613 | PHP is woorking, but the streams support is not |
| 04:15.55 | nite613 | And #php is overflowing :P |
| 04:16.03 | wols_ | dos000: man interfaces. use a ip-up script |
| 04:16.11 | kixmix | goodbye, sdlfk. |
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| 04:16.52 | wols_ | dos000: but you should really fix your dhcp server instead |
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| 04:17.05 | h00t | can someone remind me what is the name of the package i have to install to be able to compile build ... etc |
| 04:17.14 | Azar | damn! I missed etch's b-day |
| 04:17.14 | dos000 | wols_: is it possible to insert the nameser entry before the one dhcp is entering with the ip-up script ? |
| 04:17.20 | markybob | build-essential |
| 04:17.29 | h00t | markybob, thanx |
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| 04:18.19 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 04:18.19 | dpkg | i guess qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 04:18.45 | Azar | ok how come the bug page shows 40 bugs, and etch goes out? |
| 04:19.03 | CaT[tm] | so as to bug you. |
| 04:19.15 | dos000 | wols_: i am looking at dhclient.conf to tell it to insert the ns before aby other entries |
| 04:19.43 | hark | heh, it shows 0 now |
| 04:19.44 | techrush | Azar, new bugs or non release critical bugs is all thats left from what i understand |
| 04:19.49 | froze | Azar: read somewher that is cause of versioned bugs |
| 04:20.16 | CaT[tm] | oh I'm so going to have fun upgrading my desktop. whee. |
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| 04:21.20 | froze | g'night all |
| 04:22.11 | dos000 | wols_: looks like there is an option just for that "prepend" thanks for the help |
| 04:22.26 | nite613 | Anyone? What does it mean when PHP info doesn't list any of the standard "Registered PHP Streams"? All I have listed is zip, not file, php, http, https, etc |
| 04:22.32 | nite613 | What am I missing? |
| 04:22.50 | Azar | yeah, I was like wtf? on friday were around 20 bugs, and this morning were 40? wtf? I thought gonna be delayed again two more weeks |
| 04:23.58 | Azar | anyways sarge users protect your version if you don't want to upgrade: update /etc/apt/sources.list to "sarge" from "stable" |
| 04:24.04 | Guerin | fucking stupid etch upgrade |
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| 04:24.14 | Azar | mister Guerinnnnnn... |
| 04:24.16 | Guerin | it INSISTS on generating new ssl certificates |
| 04:24.28 | Guerin | not realising that I already have the fucking certs I want |
| 04:24.34 | smacnay | Hi, how does one correct this boot warning? **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA I2C Device] forgot to specify physical device; fix it! |
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| 04:24.58 | Azar | so Guerin can't you fake install again the one you want/have? |
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| 04:25.24 | Guerin | Azar: of course I can, but i just want it to leave all my configs and everything the fuck alone |
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| 04:25.44 | Azar | Guerin: I guess aptitude just tries to zealously do its job |
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| 04:26.22 | emergetw | anyone know if there is a room designer app for linux? |
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| 04:26.53 | Azar | Guerin: in fact the release notes suggest you backup as much configuration you can because cleaning crew kicks in on upgrade |
| 04:27.11 | wols_ | nite613: http is no stream? |
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| 04:27.23 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: that is pretty stupid |
| 04:27.30 | wols_ | zip is a stream cause html could be zipped when transmitted? |
| 04:27.39 | DocPlatypus | OpenBSD has upgrading down to a science. granted, they tell you to reinstall if you really don't want cruft around |
| 04:27.39 | Guerin | Azar: i *have*, but I don't see why it should fuck with something like a ssl cert in the first place |
| 04:28.01 | nite613 | wols_: It's not listed. I did find this, though: http://marc.info/?l=php-dev&m=116982565222475&w=2 |
| 04:28.04 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: well, obsd just clobbers whatever's there |
| 04:28.05 | nite613 | Perhaps it's just not listed? |
| 04:28.11 | markybob | i agree that it's a bug and should be filed |
| 04:28.15 | Guerin | or does nothing at all |
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| 04:28.23 | nite613 | doing an open('http:/ ...... does work. It must be mis reporting |
| 04:28.23 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: yes, you're expected to upgrade /etc by hand |
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| 04:29.23 | Guerin | godfuckingdam,nit |
| 04:29.36 | liable | emergetw: only something od fthe likes of qcad with blender |
| 04:29.46 | Guerin | stupid motherfucking etch doesn't have courier-authmysql, and now my mail server is broken |
| 04:29.49 | nite613 | Yep, PHP is fucked and mis-reporting its streams. Using print_r(stream_get_wrappers()) shows them all |
| 04:29.52 | nite613 | FFS |
| 04:30.04 | Azar | Guerin: when I upgraded to etch on my old box last summer I haven't had this drastical surgery-type experience... evertying went smooth.. |
| 04:31.07 | Guerin | oh .... its name is changed to courier-authlib-mysql ... and there's no transitional package or dependency |
| 04:31.07 | Guerin | classy |
| 04:31.07 | markybob | heh |
| 04:31.15 | Guerin | man, I use debian so I don't have to do this shit |
| 04:31.17 | Guerin | then again |
| 04:31.24 | Guerin | it's a couple hourse every couple years |
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| 04:32.22 | markybob | Guerin: i wait a couple of weeks after a release to actually upgrade my servers. i figure by then i'll have heard of the pitfalls and be ready...so thanks for going first ;) |
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| 04:32.45 | Guerin | oh well |
| 04:32.47 | emergetw | could anyone recomend a good cad program? |
| 04:32.49 | liable | scarificial lamb |
| 04:32.52 | Guerin | now might be a good time to upgrade to dovecot |
| 04:33.00 | Guerin | emergetw: autocad |
| 04:33.13 | liable | emergetw: qcad |
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| 04:34.24 | nextstate | I want to create 3d icons. Is gimp the best app to use? Or is there a better app? |
| 04:34.26 | Guerin | nextstate: gimp is ok. |
| 04:34.45 | aFlag | blender might work better, although it's probably an overkill for simple icons |
| 04:34.55 | zenbum | for how long after a stable release is testing wild & crazy?.... i.e. when should I upgrade to lenny? |
| 04:35.18 | hark | after 2 years! |
| 04:35.27 | zenbum | heh |
| 04:35.48 | markybob | damnit, dpkg, come back! |
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| 04:36.13 | liable | ravenbird: say hi markybob |
| 04:36.14 | ravenbird | hi markybob |
| 04:36.14 | hark | remember people to change etch to stable in your sources.list so you don't get upgraded to lenny automatically in a couple of years |
| 04:36.30 | jetscreamer | why |
| 04:36.31 | hark | er.. stable to etch |
| 04:36.42 | jetscreamer | i don't get it |
| 04:36.45 | nextstate | aFlag: blender looks cool, I'll check it out. thanks |
| 04:36.45 | hark | ~hi |
| 04:36.57 | apt | hello, hark |
| 04:36.58 | zenbum | I get it |
| 04:36.59 | jetscreamer | blender.org btw |
| 04:37.15 | hark | yeah, apt is back |
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| 04:38.12 | beoba | does anyone recommend a utility for clipping/splicing mp3 files? |
| 04:38.32 | aFlag | audacity perhaps |
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| 04:38.33 | zenbum | split |
| 04:38.34 | markybob | mp3splt |
| 04:38.36 | beoba | i'm just wanting to get a chunk from an existing file |
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| 04:39.32 | Azar | ok the DVDs come at a cheaper price ($11.00) there are only 4 DVDs, the CDs are 21pieces at $49.00 wtf 21CDs? |
| 04:39.50 | Azar | Sarge had only 14CDs I guess, Woody only 7CDS |
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| 04:40.09 | Azar | the versions go up 7CDs each? |
| 04:40.11 | CompWizrd | and the average person needs just a netinst, or the first cd. |
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| 04:40.28 | Azar | CompWizrd: I know, I was just doing some conversation |
| 04:40.37 | liable | making |
| 04:40.46 | Azar | oh yes, what liable said |
| 04:40.48 | CompWizrd | there's new arch's on this release though, amd64 for one |
| 04:40.54 | hark | they had to fit iceweasel in |
| 04:40.58 | kixmix | goodbye, sdlfk. |
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| 04:41.15 | Azar | ok, I need to see if there are CDs for Desktop, different than CDs for server.. |
| 04:41.30 | markybob | CompWizrd: ...that doesnt alter the number of cds...since different archs have different cds to begin with |
| 04:41.32 | hark | no, should be the same |
| 04:41.57 | Azar | yah I guess, because I will only need minimum-base install |
| 04:41.58 | markybob | Azar: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:42.14 | Azar | markybob: yes, man but I am disabled that why I buy the CDs |
| 04:42.38 | liable | huh? |
| 04:42.46 | Azar | I got this new shiny box waiting for Etch, it came with Windows.. |
| 04:43.13 | Azar | liable: I have a chronic "I-can't-learn-burning-CDs" |
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| 04:43.47 | markybob | Azar: you cant burn a cd in windows but you run debian? |
| 04:43.52 | liable | Azar: lots of coasters at your house? |
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| 04:45.11 | tenco | just curious: are those new delta updates only for stable and/or security updates or for testing/unstable, too? |
| 04:45.21 | hark | is it the same box you've been keeping for etch for quite some time? |
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| 04:46.27 | hark | delta updates? |
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| 04:48.01 | scx | bonjour |
| 04:48.16 | tenco | hark: yes |
| 04:48.18 | Azar | hahahaha!!! Debian 3.0r5 CD set $ 145.60 yeeep!! http://www.exofire-cd-burn.com/page6.html |
| 04:48.26 | centrx | tenco they've been going on testing for a while |
| 04:48.32 | centrx | tenco I don't see any reason why they would only be for stable |
| 04:48.43 | centrx | tenco they are actually much more useful for testing and unstable |
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| 04:49.19 | centrx | tenco stable rarely ever changes, and security updates are on a separate archive anyway |
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| 04:50.36 | Azar | liable the released CDs will cover any arch? say will work on both an amd32 and/or amd64 ? |
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| 04:51.55 | Wyzard | Azar: There are separate CDs for i386 and amd64 |
| 04:52.10 | hark | and other archs |
| 04:52.21 | scx | .msg dpkg etch |
| 04:52.25 | scx | crap |
| 04:52.32 | tenco | centrx: indeed. i give debian a shot with unstable again. and i'll run unstable (+ experimental or garnome until gnome 2.18 is in unstable) |
| 04:52.41 | scx | grrr |
| 04:52.48 | tenco | s/unstable/etch/ |
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| 04:53.16 | hark | Gnome 2.18 won't be in etch |
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| 04:53.19 | Thazza | Hey All. |
| 04:53.35 | Thazza | Anyone here? |
| 04:53.41 | hark | a backport maybe |
| 04:53.50 | hark | !tell Thazza -about ask |
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| 04:54.06 | Thazza | Got a major problem after doing a dis-upgrade on my sarge install. |
| 04:54.13 | hark | hu does care! |
| 04:54.49 | spectrm | I was in #ubuntu, but their useless - anyone be able to help with a bcm43xx card? |
| 04:54.56 | spectrm | s/they're/their/ |
| 04:54.59 | cafuego_ | Hey, what's the differnce between the -vserver and non-vserver xen kernel-images? |
| 04:55.02 | markybob | spectrm: not when you're not running debian |
| 04:55.07 | Thazza | amavisd-new is complaining about no sockets or ports being specifed... yet i didn't update my config file. |
| 04:55.07 | Guerin | spectrm: best advice you'll ever get: buy a proper card |
| 04:55.13 | Thazza | So why should this change? |
| 04:55.17 | cafuego_ | spectrm: I wa snot useless. |
| 04:55.18 | spectrm | Guerin: tell that to compa |
| 04:55.19 | Guerin | spectrm: i recommend ralink |
| 04:55.20 | liable | spectrm: i think most people just resort to ndiswrapper with them |
| 04:55.33 | spectrm | cafuego: you have to respond to me to be useful ;-p |
| 04:55.50 | cafuego_ | spectrm: What bcm4xx is it specifically? |
| 04:55.59 | hark | !bcm4xx |
| 04:56.03 | spectrm | cafuego_: bcm4306 |
| 04:56.08 | hark | !bcm43xx |
| 04:56.09 | dpkg | somebody said bcm43xx was the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 04:56.10 | cafuego_ | spectrm: Well! I have 2! |
| 04:56.12 | spectrm | it was working this morning |
| 04:56.27 | spectrm | now, suddenly, it's not |
| 04:56.31 | cafuego_ | All you need is the proper firmware and to remove that ndiswrapper shite. |
| 04:57.00 | hark | if it works taht is.. |
| 04:57.10 | cafuego_ | Well, if the hardware is busted |
| 04:57.14 | spectrm | cafuego_: I haven't used ndiswrapper with ubuntu yet, and I used that fwcutter to import the firmware from the .sys file - like I said, it was working (close to) perfectly |
| 04:57.22 | cafuego_ | http://debian.cafuego.net/dists/edgy-cafuego/bcm43xx/ |
| 04:57.25 | spectrm | cafuego_: that's what I'm afraid of |
| 04:57.33 | cafuego_ | I keep packages, they work dandy (especially with Feisty) |
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| 04:57.42 | Azar | ok found a decent site I get the network install CD only for $2.50 so heck I can get for both, i386 and one for amd64 |
| 04:57.46 | Trentster | Hey all, is it possible to get fetchmail to pull mail from a pop account , and then deliver via another specified smtp server ? |
| 04:58.00 | cafuego_ | Trentster: probably, yes |
| 04:58.14 | Trentster | cafuego, any idea how? |
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| 04:58.24 | scx | Guerin: talking about wlan... do you know of a good usb/wlan card ? |
| 04:58.25 | hark | Azar: if there's windows already on that box, try that goodbye-windows thing.. |
| 04:58.32 | Azar | wtf is with that broadcom driver, cafuego? |
| 04:59.15 | Azar | hark: when I bought the PC I wanted a "naked" one but tigerdirect didn't had the hardware I wanted without windows preinstalled |
| 04:59.37 | Azar | hark: I am only worried that the hyper-threading and other new shit might impede my Debian installation.. |
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| 04:59.44 | Guerin | scx: as it happens, I do. ASUS 167-g. |
| 04:59.58 | Azar | hark: oh? |
| 05:00.01 | cafuego_ | Trentster: Not without chekcing the man page, which i suppose you can, too ;-) |
| 05:00.03 | hark | Azar: should be ok with etch |
| 05:00.04 | Azar | omg! yes! |
| 05:00.15 | Azar | the goodbye-windows link! |
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| 05:00.18 | Azar | where is at? |
| 05:00.19 | bschroed | can someone help me? i think i hosed my system and i need to make sure everything isn't screwed before i reboot... i did 'apt-get install [kernelimage]' and it failed to remove the existing kernel img and then removed initrd-tools |
| 05:00.27 | hark | !debian.exe |
| 05:00.27 | dpkg | i guess debian.exe is see http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 05:00.32 | scx | Guerin: great ! thank you very much... it was painless ? |
| 05:00.37 | Trentster | cafuego, i have looked at it, its a bit confusing to be (newb) |
| 05:00.40 | Azar | thanks hark! gonna be fun |
| 05:00.44 | Guerin | scx: the same model actually contains one of several different ralink chipsets: rt2570 is in debian (m-a works), while rt73 is not in debian but the third-party module works fine. |
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| 05:01.15 | Guerin | scx: the most painful bit was identifying which chipset it had ... since i thought they were ALL rt2570, and the one I got was rt73. |
| 05:01.19 | cafuego_ | Trentster: You need to specify an mda |
| 05:01.33 | scx | Guerin: I have installed that one, great =) |
| 05:01.33 | Guerin | scx: the wat to find out for sure is to google the usb id as listed by lsusb. |
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| 05:02.04 | militant | wow, etch is now working properly |
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| 05:02.08 | militant | sup peoples? |
| 05:02.09 | Trentster | cafuego, mda as in message delivery agent... |
| 05:02.24 | scx | Guerin: ah, yes, but all usb/wlan card I was found had one or other problem |
| 05:02.27 | cafuego_ | Trentster: Actually no. use the -S <hosts> | --smtphost <hosts> options |
| 05:02.36 | ztomiccomputers | does anyone know how to make capability the last module to load? I'm trying to get dazuko to load but capability doesn't support stacking. |
| 05:02.39 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.40 | Trentster | cafuego, i just need an example of the syntax of the line i put in the config file... |
| 05:02.41 | spectrm | cafuego_: is that just a more recent revision of the firmware? |
| 05:02.51 | scx | Guerin: all seamed to be doubthfull to run or not |
| 05:02.56 | spectrm | cafuego_: what's different than what I'm using - per se? |
| 05:03.00 | Guerin | scx: yes, as a rule, all usb network stuff is shit, but this does appear to be functional |
| 05:03.01 | cafuego_ | spectrm: i have the most recent working one packaged up. |
| 05:03.18 | cafuego_ | and i *know* it works, as I use it |
| 05:03.37 | ztomiccomputers | does anyone know how to change the order in which modules load? |
| 05:03.38 | spectrm | cafuego_: reboot or will rmmod modprobe work properly? |
| 05:03.49 | Trentster | cafuego, thanks so eg : -S <mail.server.com> | --smtphost <mail.server.com> options |
| 05:04.40 | Guerin | survivor |
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| 05:04.54 | Guerin | bah, ECHAN |
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| 05:06.03 | ztomiccomputers | anyone? |
| 05:06.16 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 05:06.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:06.54 | jimmybgood | is anyone else sick of dpkg? |
| 05:06.55 | ztomiccomputers | already asked a couple of questions |
| 05:07.29 | hark | they're loaded as per /etc/modules .. in order from top to bottom |
| 05:07.59 | hark | !confort jimmybgood |
| 05:07.59 | dpkg | There, there, hark. jimmybgood will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 05:08.01 | ztomiccomputers | hark yeah i tried that but capability still loads before dazuko |
| 05:08.13 | hark | heh |
| 05:08.18 | Guerin | ztomiccomputers: there are several ways. You can specify an order manually in /etc/modules, for one |
| 05:08.37 | ztomiccomputers | lemme try again |
| 05:09.06 | jimmybgood | I hate spellcheckers |
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| 05:11.01 | spectrm | cafuego_: you rule |
| 05:11.16 | spectrm | cafuego_: lifesaver extrordinaire |
| 05:11.43 | spectrm | cafuego_: "may your first child be a masculine child" |
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| 05:13.23 | simonrvn | cafuego_: got my message from earlier? |
| 05:13.35 | simonrvn | spectrm: o_O |
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| 05:14.38 | k-man | when upgrading to etch, i get this message: trying to remove a running kernel - this is dangerous do you want to proceed?" |
| 05:14.44 | k-man | why am i getting that? |
| 05:14.52 | k-man | obviously I don't want to remove it yet |
| 05:14.57 | Guerin | k-man: because |
| 05:15.00 | Guerin | k-man: you probably do |
| 05:15.01 | project9 | i download one .rm file which is half downloaded now can i download/continue with same file with rysnc if yes how |
| 05:15.12 | Azar | k-man: what kernel version you are currently running? |
| 05:15.13 | Guerin | k-man: it's not bad unless you lose power |
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| 05:15.37 | k-man | azar 2.6.18-2-686 |
| 05:15.41 | cafuego_ | heh |
| 05:15.46 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: um, no? |
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| 05:15.55 | hark | spectrm: wait, he was helping you in #ubuntu, an you came here and still were helped by him.. calls for apologies |
| 05:16.30 | cafuego_ | hark: No, I wasn't helping him in ubuntu ;-) |
| 05:16.40 | Azar | hmmm well it only gonna replace it because I guess it is coming with etch's linux-image, instead of kernel-image and some arch are now unified... I would not worry if you run grub |
| 05:17.09 | hark | cafuego_: ah, heh heh |
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| 05:17.25 | Azar | k-man is good to read the release notes to know what you can expect with the upgrade |
| 05:17.38 | simonrvn | REPOST cafuego: i was asked to thank you for the SL packages and the site |
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| 05:18.17 | zepmantra | hello, is 'apt-setup' command remove from the etch distro |
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| 05:18.43 | jimmybgood | is there any way to specify a partition by label rather than physical device in crypttab |
| 05:18.49 | liable | zepmantra: yes |
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| 05:19.27 | zepmantra | ic so does it mean i have to edit my sources.list repository manually if i have a base installation ? |
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| 05:19.50 | liable | yes, or use apt-spy |
| 05:19.58 | zepmantra | ic thanks man :) |
| 05:20.18 | ztomiccomputers | nope. that doesn't work. capability still loads early in the boot proccess. |
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| 05:21.03 | ztomiccomputers | listed dazuko before capability in /etc/modules |
| 05:21.14 | hark | ztomiccomputers: just wondering, do you have a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/dazuko-source ? |
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| 05:21.30 | tenco | wth is #debian-overflow? |
| 05:21.41 | deebu | does the debian xfce cd have openoffice??? |
| 05:21.46 | Supaplex | try /topic #debian-overflow |
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| 05:22.20 | Vasistha | tenco: sometimes debhelper will set the channel limit to, e.g. 726 users. If the number of users reaches that number, new users will be sent to #debian-overflow |
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| 05:22.30 | deebu | hi all...im new here....does the debian xfce cd have openoffice...ive a slow internet....n slow pc |
| 05:22.36 | tenco | oh. ok. sorry. |
| 05:22.59 | Endler | What is the best way to find the fastest apt source? I tried apt-spy, but it keeps seg faulting after checking a few mirrors. Is there a list of servers that includes bandwith info? |
| 05:22.59 | hark | deebu: probably does |
| 05:22.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is it possible to mount a diskete with a minix3 fs? |
| 05:22.59 | moshii | Does anyone know if etch is going to be released for m68k? |
| 05:23.08 | hark | Endler: there's netselect-apt as well |
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| 05:23.14 | concept10 | I think that support was dropped |
| 05:23.27 | Supaplex | !rhink |
| 05:23.28 | Supaplex | er |
| 05:23.30 | Vasistha | deebu: are you going to download the CD on a faster connection or something? Because if not, your best option might just be to do a net-install; then you won't be downloading CD's with extra packages you don't need |
| 05:23.31 | Supaplex | !think |
| 05:23.31 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 05:23.32 | tenco | just wanted to say: wow. lenny's xorg.conf is really good ^^ |
| 05:23.35 | ztomiccomputers | hark nope. |
| 05:23.38 | moshii | concept10: it seems like m68k tracking has been dropped from testing too |
| 05:23.46 | moshii | I hope it hasn't gone totally |
| 05:23.48 | Endler | Thanks hark. I'll give that a shot. |
| 05:23.54 | liable | Endler: it wouldnt matter what there bandwidth is, it depends on how it gets to your box |
| 05:24.03 | hark | ztomiccomputers: they still haven't fixed that bug.. apt-cache show dazuko-source mentions it |
| 05:24.03 | liable | !cd contents |
| 05:24.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 05:24.15 | liable | deebu: ^^^ |
| 05:24.30 | Azar | dondelelcaro: Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols quoting you on "Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?" |
| 05:24.49 | deebu | Vasistha: no...i'll ask a frnd to download xfce iso for me...so i really wanna know if it has OO...i can only ask him to download one iso :( |
| 05:24.53 | liable | Azar: article link? |
| 05:24.56 | ztomiccomputers | hark, I'm not using that version. |
| 05:25.03 | Supaplex | concept10, moshii: http://www.debian.org/ports/#released |
| 05:25.04 | Azar | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html |
| 05:25.17 | ztomiccomputers | but good try |
| 05:25.28 | concept10 | I hate linux-watch and its stupid fucking author |
| 05:25.29 | ztomiccomputers | nope, this is a completely different issue |
| 05:25.39 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: it ought to be possible; you'll need to have the minix3 kernel module I guess. Have you tried it yet? |
| 05:25.59 | hark | ztomiccomputers: no, i remember someone else wondering about capability a while back.. there was no README.Debian then |
| 05:26.12 | deebu | liable: ?? |
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| 05:26.21 | hark | ztomiccomputers: even though the package description mentioned it |
| 05:26.33 | Supaplex | !tell deebu -about cd contents |
| 05:26.33 | ztomiccomputers | well there is faq @ www.dazuko.org |
| 05:26.38 | liable | deebu: see what dpkg said about searching cd contents |
| 05:26.45 | hark | just curious :) |
| 05:26.47 | Vasistha | deebu: well, if he's only gonna download one, the first CD might be your best option. liable was pointing up to the dpkg factoid he requested -- to find out what is on a cd, download the jigdo template |
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| 05:27.11 | ztomiccomputers | hark I am able to rmmod capability && modprobe dazuko |
| 05:27.12 | hark | deebu: you'll need the first cd anyway, so you effectively have no choice then |
| 05:27.35 | ztomiccomputers | then modprobe capability |
| 05:28.00 | ztomiccomputers | so if I could just figure a way to load capabilty after dazuko then <bing> problem solved. |
| 05:28.10 | moshii | Supaplex: hopefully that's been updated sinse the release.. |
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| 05:28.44 | Supaplex | I'm sure they'll update all the webpages overnight. ;) |
| 05:28.59 | deebu | hark: why wud i need 1st cd anyway? wont xfce cd give me complete os? like the kde cd? |
| 05:29.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, mount -t minix -o loop=/dev/loop diskette.img /mnt/, Am I using the correct command? I receive this error: /dev/loop/: Is a directory |
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| 05:30.11 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: take out the =/dev/loop |
| 05:30.27 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: maybe try -o loop=/dev/loop/0 |
| 05:30.42 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: oh, no, listen to Supaplex, his idea is much better |
| 05:30.43 | Supaplex | there's no need to specify the loop device |
| 05:30.49 | hark | deebu: the xfce cd is the first cd.. the rest are the same for all |
| 05:31.09 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, Vasistha , why do I have to use the loop device? |
| 05:31.16 | GhostlyDeath_ | There any Casino Royale Screensavers for Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 05:31.19 | hark | deebu: so if you can oly burn one.. then that's the one |
| 05:31.22 | ztomiccomputers | http://www.dazuko.org/tload.shtml#GENERAL-INSMOD-ERROR |
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| 05:31.53 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: well, if you're mounting a disk image, rather than an actual floppy disk, I believe you have to use the loop device to mount data that's residing on an already-mounted partition |
| 05:32.08 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: man mount, look for loop in options. in short, a file isn't a device, and the mount command needs a device. -o loop automagically uses a losetup interface to pick an unused loopdevice to take care of it. |
| 05:32.27 | deebu | just to sure do u mean this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 05:32.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, Supaplex : Check it out http://pastebin.ca/432333 I think this error is because I dont have the minix 3 module installed or enabled, right? |
| 05:32.33 | k-man | the release notes say to install the linux image meta package |
| 05:32.50 | deebu | it comes last in the list... |
| 05:33.03 | k-man | but when I try, i get the following error: linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 but it is not installable |
| 05:33.05 | hark | yes |
| 05:33.33 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: pastebin /proc/filesystems. what kernel is this? 2.6+ ? |
| 05:33.41 | aFlag | hey, will I be able to place all my partitions using a lvm partition, including /boot and / using debian etch? |
| 05:33.57 | Guerin | you can |
| 05:34.01 | Guerin | but it's stupid |
| 05:34.04 | moshii | aFlag: I don't see why not |
| 05:34.11 | Vasistha | aFlag: inadvisable to put /boot on lvm |
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| 05:34.15 | deebu | hark: thanx....i'll ask my frnd to download that xfce cd....hope it does have openoffice:) |
| 05:34.19 | Guerin | you need an initrd to read /boot on lvm |
| 05:34.29 | liable | not with grub |
| 05:34.46 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: if minix isn't lixted, modprobe minix. I'm not sure if the kernel distinguishes minux v3 with the module or not... |
| 05:34.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, there you go, all information here http://pastebin.ca/432334 |
| 05:34.55 | jstevens | aFlag: I tried to put boot on lvm about a year ago. The installer wouldn't let me, but that may have changed. |
| 05:35.08 | aFlag | hm |
| 05:35.21 | deebu | im so glad etch is out...yipppeee! :) |
| 05:35.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, well minix2 and minix3 filesystem differ in some things |
| 05:35.23 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: yup. it's on line 25. |
| 05:35.25 | moshii | liable: not much point of creating an fs for boot then :P |
| 05:35.51 | aFlag | well, having /boot in a different place shouldn't be that big of a deal |
| 05:35.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, solution: recompile kernel? |
| 05:36.00 | jstevens | aFlag: I believe a Fedora install a while ago let me do it, so it is possible. |
| 05:36.10 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: see line 4-5 on http://pastebin.ca/432333 |
| 05:37.01 | Supaplex | !initrd |
| 05:37.01 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 05:37.08 | moshii | aFlag: you should keep boot outside of any fs/disk funniness.. say you need to boot from a bootfloppy one day.. |
| 05:37.14 | jstevens | aFlag: Well, except that your initial ramdisk will need to have the lvm drivers I think. It can be more of a challenge to use repair CDs when you are using LVM. |
| 05:37.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, http://pastebin.ca/432338 |
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| 05:37.46 | dondelelcaro | Azar: not surprising; he seems to like to quote me for some reason |
| 05:37.52 | ztomiccomputers | back |
| 05:38.20 | Shadur | Huh. Sarge's apt-listbugs broke. |
| 05:38.27 | Supaplex | aFlag, jetscreamer there's an lvm howto for all that. =) debian-live would be the ideal way to go for that. I've fixed/managed lvm w/+w/o md and w/ or w/o it on root. |
| 05:38.33 | jstevens | aFlag: I run boot outside of LVM. |
| 05:38.53 | jstevens | aFlag: I put / in LVM though. |
| 05:39.04 | jimmybgood | gonzaloaf_doesn't look like your minix module supports V3 |
| 05:39.55 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: yup, no luck :-/ VFS: Can't find a Minix or Minix V2 filesystem on device |
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| 05:40.11 | Shadur | Retrieving bug reports... 0% [0/10] W: not in gzip format: libc6-dev |
| 05:40.13 | Supaplex | !lart jimmybgood's nick completion |
| 05:40.23 | moshii | maybe time to donate the third edition to that dev.. :P |
| 05:40.25 | Guerin | Supaplex: W means warning |
| 05:40.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:40.28 | Shadur | Repeats that for all packages, then exits with an error message. |
| 05:40.34 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:40.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, what do I have to do then? |
| 05:40.48 | Shadur | Guerin: I know. Final message is: ... E: Too many errors while retrieving bug reports |
| 05:40.51 | Shadur | E: Sub-process if dpkg -s apt-listbugs | grep -q '^Status: .* ok installed'; then /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || ( test $? -ne 10 || exit 10; echo 'Warning: apt-listbugs exited abnormally, hit enter key to continue.' 1>&2 ; read a < /dev/tty ); fi returned an error code ( |
| 05:41.11 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: why is that disk in minix v3 format? |
| 05:41.52 | Guerin | that's estupid |
| 05:42.28 | Shadur | ... Wait, not all of them. libc6 is fine, libc6-dev isn't. |
| 05:42.29 | Shadur | Weird. |
| 05:43.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Supaplex, Well I have minix3 on qemu and I'm working in my laptop (diketteless) so I created this diskette image for programming purposes, my program need a minix3 fs to work, but now I wanted to use the same diskette image to transfer files between my host OS and my guest OS |
| 05:43.32 | dondelelcaro | Azar: what's even more annoying is that a bug was only filed today about that multipath problem, and people are still going on and on about it. (#418344) |
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| 05:44.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Is it posible to create a diskette image with fat fylesystem without having a diskette drive? |
| 05:44.46 | Thazza | Anyone here upgrade Debian to EDGE.. and had a major problem with postfix? |
| 05:44.57 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: well, try something else then. =) look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/ |
| 05:45.01 | DocPlatypus | at least Debian's maintainers will get the "r1" version out there fast if it's bad enough |
| 05:45.05 | hark | slashdot went bonkers over that one |
| 05:45.11 | DocPlatypus | Thazza: there is no Debian "edge"... there's "etch" |
| 05:45.13 | Vasistha | Thazza: "edge"? |
| 05:45.15 | tenco | hark: yep |
| 05:45.15 | Supaplex | gonzaloaf_laptop: yea, mkfs.foo ./file.img |
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| 05:45.25 | DocPlatypus | if you're thinking of Ubuntu edgy, this is not #ubuntu |
| 05:45.29 | deebu | !cd contents |
| 05:45.29 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 05:45.31 | Thazza | Oh fine.. etch.. a little stressed here. |
| 05:45.43 | Vasistha | !tell deebu about msg the bot |
| 05:45.48 | Thazza | Major mail server is offline and has been for the past 30 - 40 mins. |
| 05:46.06 | tenco | !tell tenco about msg the bot |
| 05:46.07 | Thazza | Due to Dist-upgrade breaking everything. |
| 05:46.18 | DocPlatypus | !tell docplatypus about msg the bot |
| 05:46.25 | Supaplex | !self tell |
| 05:46.28 | Supaplex | !selftell |
| 05:46.29 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 05:46.54 | DocPlatypus | OOPS. |
| 05:46.55 | Thazza | Can anyone help me? |
| 05:46.55 | hark | Thazza: a bit unwise to just simply dist-upgrade something so critical... |
| 05:47.20 | scx | well, I don't understand what's the deal in sending the firefox patches to mozilla.org before release |
| 05:47.23 | Thazza | hark.. shame it wasn't me. |
| 05:47.34 | Thazza | hark: yet now i need to fix.. |
| 05:47.52 | scx | whould it not be easier thatn renaming to Iceweasel ? |
| 05:47.52 | Supaplex | I love this week. This is when I sit back, and keep sarge until all the ash settles. THEN I upgrade after it's clear what other issues are going to busticate my business/mission critical systems/applications. =) |
| 05:47.57 | scx | I just wonder |
| 05:47.57 | Thazza | hark: someone is going to get fired after this i can just see. |
| 05:48.07 | liable | an actuall error would be a great place to start |
| 05:48.38 | Supaplex | Thazza: hopefully not you, or the admin that dist-upgraded with such haste. |
| 05:48.48 | Thazza | liable: when trying to /etc/init.d/postfix start i get. |
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| 05:48.57 | simonrvn | Thazza: he;s talking about edgy... |
| 05:49.05 | Thazza | Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
| 05:49.05 | Thazza | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.28 | Vasistha | Thazza: why don't you pastebin your /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 05:49.50 | liable | Thazza: and the changelog doesnt mention anything you may need to tweak in config? |
| 05:49.59 | Vasistha | Thazza: dunno if it's useful but we can at least make sure it's sane ... it probably should be maintained by the packages... |
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| 05:50.37 | Thazza | Vasistha: http://pastebin.ca/432347 |
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| 05:53.11 | Vasistha | Thazza: I'm sorry to have distracted you -- you should really be focusing on liable's questions. Have you checked the changelog? |
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| 05:53.44 | Thazza | Vasistha: Checking it.. can't see anything in there about postfix issues. |
| 05:54.48 | liable | the postfix changelog, not the release notes |
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| 05:54.59 | liable | well, yeah, check those too :) |
| 05:55.25 | Thazza | liable: checked.. nothing. |
| 05:55.30 | Vasistha | I assume this would be the changelog in /usr/share/doc/postfix ? |
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| 05:56.06 | liable | Thazza: try seeting the script -x too and see where it stops |
| 05:56.10 | liable | Vasistha: yes |
| 05:56.25 | aldin | help needed, echo "$locale stuff"... en_US.utf8 stuff, ho do i find out which one i use and how do i change it? |
| 05:57.02 | Thazza | liable: Sorry what? |
| 05:57.16 | Vasistha | aldin: do you have any idea which one you want to be using? |
| 05:57.33 | tenco | Thazza: it's from march, but who knows: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415670 |
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| 05:57.49 | aldin | Vasistha, i would like en with utf8 |
| 05:58.04 | Guerin | aldin: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:58.04 | liable | Thazza: where it says /bin/sh -e, add an x |
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| 05:58.27 | Vasistha | aldin: yeah, listen to Guerin, although it looks like you may already have the right one selected |
| 05:58.39 | Azar | dondelelcaro: vaughan-nichols is well known around here as suffering of penix envy.... all his articles are anti-debian.. |
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| 05:59.06 | militant | is there a package that has all those nifty screensavers that came with sarge? like glx-gears and such? |
| 05:59.28 | Thazza | liable: /bin/sh: - : invalid option |
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| 06:00.04 | Thazza | liable: ignore that.. put a - infront of it. |
| 06:00.22 | Azar | dondelelcaro: and as a poster replied, that bug he said you mentioned about is not a "debian-specific" one... |
| 06:00.48 | scx | Thazza: eh... never use 'put' along with 'a' |
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| 06:01.25 | Thazza | liable: http://pastebin.ca/432351 |
| 06:01.38 | aldin | Guerin, http://rafb.net/p/vRmqDT65.html but how do i chage it to another one? |
| 06:01.52 | aldin | Guerin, or how do i see what is my current one? |
| 06:02.22 | Supaplex | Thazza: remove (not purge) postfix, and try installing the most recent known working release, and pin or hold the package. |
| 06:02.28 | Supaplex | (workaround) |
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| 06:03.17 | adu | hi |
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| 06:03.27 | Supaplex | Thazza: anything in bts? |
| 06:03.33 | Thazza | bts? |
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| 06:03.38 | liable | it actually looks like it may be the init script |
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| 06:03.44 | Supaplex | !tell Thazza -about bts |
| 06:03.53 | militant | hmmmm i'm not sure this video driver is working well. just dragging a window around is ... jerky |
| 06:03.56 | adu | where do I go for info about how to get Airport working on Debian/GNU/Linux/PowerPC |
| 06:04.06 | aldin | aldin@ubuntu:~$ echo $LANG |
| 06:04.06 | aldin | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:04.13 | aldin | thats point |
| 06:04.14 | jetscreamer | militant: glxinfo |
| 06:04.20 | adu | I've looked and the bcm34xx kernel-mod is installed |
| 06:04.34 | militant | glxinfo. ok |
| 06:04.40 | Supaplex | adu: you also need the firmware. |
| 06:04.51 | aldin | Supaplex, Guerin Vasistha... but how do i change it to other one? |
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| 06:04.53 | adu | Supaplex: ok |
| 06:05.13 | Thazza | Supaplex: Removing doesn't fix it.. |
| 06:05.17 | Supaplex | aldin: man bash. see 'export' and 'unset', or just LANG=foo |
| 06:05.21 | Guerin | aldin: by doing what I topld you |
| 06:05.22 | Vasistha | aldin: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/DotFiles |
| 06:05.26 | Thazza | Also i am getting a heap of errors when ever i apt-get anything. |
| 06:05.31 | Thazza | i will paste bin it. |
| 06:05.39 | Supaplex | Thazza: that's somewhat by design. init scripts are considered configuration files. |
| 06:05.53 | adu | Supaplex: I've heard that the only way to use airport in linux is with mac-on-linux |
| 06:06.03 | militant | can i run multiple apt-get installs simultaneously? |
| 06:06.03 | Thazza | http://pastebin.ca/432355 |
| 06:06.09 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:06.14 | aldin | Guerin, after doing that i got only these http://rafb.net/p/vRmqDT65.html |
| 06:06.15 | adu | but when i use MOL, the airport doesn't register with macosx... |
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| 06:06.29 | Supaplex | adu: I had it working fine, last time I was using it. I have a g4 ibook, but I don't have it with me right now. |
| 06:06.33 | jetscreamer | you can apt-get install 1 2 3 4 5 but not apt-get install & apt-get install |
| 06:06.54 | litage | if a process takes 0.5 seconds to complete, how can you tell how much the process uses in terms of ram and cpu? |
| 06:07.04 | Supaplex | litage: man time |
| 06:07.07 | Guerin | aldin: run `locale' to see what you're currently using |
| 06:07.08 | adu | Supaplex: is there a howto/guide you could direct me to? |
| 06:07.08 | jetscreamer | you can list a lot of packages on one line ... not sure about the limit |
| 06:07.11 | militant | ok. wondered kuz i'm installing something big (flightgear) and it's half thru, and i wanna install something else much smaller |
| 06:07.19 | Guerin | aldin: i don't know why it's not letting you choose one |
| 06:07.22 | jetscreamer | just hit ctrl+c and redo |
| 06:07.25 | aldin | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:07.27 | jetscreamer | the d/l will stay |
| 06:07.38 | militant | jetscreamer: it's ok. i can wait 3 or 4 more minutes |
| 06:07.38 | jetscreamer | and pick up where it left off |
| 06:07.46 | militant | but that's good to know |
| 06:07.46 | adu | Supaplex: maybe i don't have it configured properly... |
| 06:07.48 | Thazza | I am starting to think this box is stuffed. |
| 06:07.52 | Supaplex | adu: it worked fine the first time. I don't recall anything cept looking for the firmware cutter. |
| 06:08.02 | aldin | i think Supaplex solution would be ok set LANG=bs_ba.UTF-8 |
| 06:08.03 | jetscreamer | militant: just when it's d/l'ing, not when it's installing or anything |
| 06:08.10 | militant | ahh alright |
| 06:08.16 | adu | firmware cutter? |
| 06:08.32 | liable | Thazza: reinstalling postfix gives what errors? |
| 06:08.40 | deadcat | hey, anyone know the amount you make without filing for tax return in the USA? just ignore if you dont know or dont care |
| 06:08.48 | Supaplex | adu: apt-cache search firmware or cutter, or bcm42xx (or whatever the driver was) |
| 06:08.54 | jetscreamer | something like 12,00 a year but i'm not sure |
| 06:08.57 | jetscreamer | or was it 6 |
| 06:09.02 | jetscreamer | 12,000 |
| 06:09.06 | aldin | Guerin, locale "says": http://rafb.net/p/QjPQHd82.html |
| 06:09.10 | Thazza | liable: no errors.. just trys to start it and gives me the same failed message |
| 06:09.20 | jetscreamer | go to irs.gov and look |
| 06:09.22 | Supaplex | deadcat: you have to file regardless of your income. |
| 06:09.29 | Vasistha | deadcat: the amount *who* makes? U.S. taxes tend to be around 30% |
| 06:09.30 | deadcat | jetscreamer: i think its 6000$. but i need to be sure (= |
| 06:09.33 | adu | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 06:09.46 | jetscreamer | deadcat: go to the irs site and find out for sure |
| 06:09.48 | deadcat | Supaplex: oh.. thanks. |
| 06:10.00 | deadcat | jetscreamer: i cant find shit from those irs sites. |
| 06:10.14 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 06:10.24 | deadcat | i'll just file it )= |
| 06:10.27 | Guerin | aldin: take a wild guess at what locale you might be using |
| 06:10.45 | Supaplex | deadcat: it'll keep your $@$* clean from tax evasion =) use the 1040ez if it's obvious you don't own anything. use the long form of you kept track of deductions (however, you have the burden of proof) |
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| 06:11.02 | \amethyst | deadcat: are you self-employed? |
| 06:11.09 | deadcat | \amethyst: yeep |
| 06:11.12 | deadcat | 1099 |
| 06:11.14 | \amethyst | deadcat: The limit is $400 of self-employment income |
| 06:11.16 | jimmybgood | deadcat: single - under 65 $8450 |
| 06:11.20 | Supaplex | deadcat: look for a free online filing reference off irs. anything beyond all this/that, seek more help. |
| 06:11.22 | deadcat | \amethyst: thanks. |
| 06:11.25 | \amethyst | deadcat: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=105097,00.html |
| 06:11.25 | aldin | how do i change my keyboard layout in tty1-6? like in X Option "XkbLayout" "us" |
| 06:11.28 | jetscreamer | yeh self employed always files |
| 06:11.35 | scx | is it diferences between the Etch cd's and the dvd ? |
| 06:11.36 | deadcat | thanks everyone.. |
| 06:11.38 | liable | Thazza: see the start line that has if start-stop-daemon --start --exec ${DAEMON} -- quiet-quick-start; then make it '--quiet-quick-start' |
| 06:11.48 | jetscreamer | scx: dvd holds more eh |
| 06:11.52 | deadcat | Supaplex: yes.. just the media type. files are the same. |
| 06:11.57 | litage | sorry, i got disconnected. did anybody respond to my question? |
| 06:11.57 | Supaplex | scx: generally you only need the netinst anyway. |
| 06:12.10 | Guerin | aldin: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 06:12.11 | scx | Supaplex: ont in dialup :) |
| 06:12.15 | Supaplex | provided you have network axis =) |
| 06:12.27 | aldin | Guerin, about locales... did u see this http://rafb.net/p/QjPQHd82.html |
| 06:12.34 | liable | Thazza: i think that space may be the culprit |
| 06:12.36 | Supaplex | scx: hope you're not sucking those images through that straw hehe. |
| 06:12.44 | deadcat | \amethyst: wow. i dont know how you find that link so fast (= |
| 06:13.06 | scx | Supaplex: sure I am... I have 1% already! |
| 06:13.06 | \amethyst | deadcat: I googled for IRS "tax return" "have to file" |
| 06:13.14 | deadcat | damn |
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| 06:13.42 | aldin | Guerin, <Guerin> aldin: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 06:13.44 | \amethyst | deadcat: actually, first I searched without "IRS" and Canada beat the US :) |
| 06:13.50 | Guerin | aldin: sorry ... i'm not an output-to-plain-english converter |
| 06:13.53 | aldin | Guerin, oops /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: console-data is not installed |
| 06:13.55 | Supaplex | scx: ouch. and why? you do realise you're wasting your pipe on files/packages you won't use, right? (unless you're nuts enough to install *everything* off those) |
| 06:13.55 | casa-nova | newb question: How to run jar archives in Linux as they are prcomiles installers |
| 06:13.59 | Guerin | !installit |
| 06:13.59 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 06:14.08 | Guerin | aldin: please try to think for yourself |
| 06:14.17 | Guerin | i have enough trouble thinking for one person |
| 06:14.17 | scx | \amethyst: you could consider not using tha slash, it causes problems with some IRC clients |
| 06:14.19 | deadcat | \amethyst: ya.. i got that canada one and it confused me |
| 06:14.20 | jetscreamer | site:irs.gov on the end of a search functions well also |
| 06:14.21 | Supaplex | casa-nova: something java |
| 06:14.26 | \amethyst | scx: oh? |
| 06:14.58 | casa-nova | Supaplex so if i have bercool-game.jar i'll type bercool-game.jar java |
| 06:14.59 | casa-nova | ? |
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| 06:15.07 | \amethyst | casa-nova: java -jar file |
| 06:15.10 | Supaplex | casa-nova: more like java foo.jar |
| 06:15.18 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.19 | Supaplex | but read the man page =-) |
| 06:15.25 | casa-nova | that command won't work maybe i should boot? |
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| 06:15.31 | \amethyst | scx: how does it break your client? |
| 06:15.32 | casa-nova | i jsut installed s2sdk |
| 06:15.37 | casa-nova | i jsut installed j2sdk |
| 06:15.41 | aldin | Guerin, ok, np, i just show u that i dont have console-data.. i will install it right away |
| 06:15.47 | scx | Supaplex: :) hehe, of course not, I'm kidding |
| 06:16.07 | Supaplex | scx: troll! :-D |
| 06:16.11 | jetscreamer | !info console-data |
| 06:16.23 | scx | Supaplex: I download the iso with a friend |
| 06:16.23 | dpkg | console-data: (Keymaps, fonts, charset maps, fallback tables for console-tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 2:1.01-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 3328 kB |
| 06:16.23 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 06:16.23 | jetscreamer | get the dvd then scx |
| 06:16.25 | casa-nova | -> booting |
| 06:16.33 | scx | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 06:16.55 | Thazza2 | grrr |
| 06:17.00 | liable | Thazza: see the start line that has if start-stop-daemon --start --exec ${DAEMON} -- quiet-quick-start; then make it '--quiet-quick-start' |
| 06:17.35 | Thazza | Sorry all back now. |
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| 06:18.09 | aldin | one more question about console... how do i change font style of tty1-6 |
| 06:18.19 | jetscreamer | aldin: you were already told |
| 06:18.26 | jetscreamer | try /lastlog aldin |
| 06:18.36 | militant | apparently the video driver is fine. flightgear plays well. |
| 06:18.47 | militant | but wtf is with windows jerking around when moving. that should be so simple/light |
| 06:19.05 | \amethyst | scx: You can use |amethyst instead |
| 06:19.06 | Guerin | militant: what window mangler? |
| 06:19.12 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 06:19.13 | militant | gnome |
| 06:19.18 | Guerin | militant: ... |
| 06:19.19 | Thazza | liable: postfixstart-stop-daemon: unrecognized option `--quiet-quick-start' |
| 06:19.26 | Guerin | gnome ... simple ... light |
| 06:19.27 | Guerin | HAHA |
| 06:19.34 | tenco | hmm |
| 06:19.35 | militant | eh, it's comfy for me. though i'm an enlightenment user from way back |
| 06:19.41 | jetscreamer | icewm-gnome |
| 06:19.46 | tenco | 2.18 isn't that clumsy |
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| 06:20.14 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.17 | militant | jetscreamer: icewm-gnome? that's your suggestion? |
| 06:20.23 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.34 | jetscreamer | aldin: console-setup - Setup the font and the keyboard on the console |
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| 06:20.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure it i believe |
| 06:20.47 | Thazza | Anyone else have ideas? |
| 06:21.04 | scx | militant: mmm... Window Maker ? |
| 06:21.10 | jetscreamer | militant: no not really, but you might try it and see if you like it |
| 06:21.13 | jetscreamer | i do |
| 06:21.16 | aldin | jetscreamer, yeah but i cant chose which font to load.. only the kbd layout - country... |
| 06:21.17 | militant | ok. how's e these days? |
| 06:21.24 | aldin | i just tried that |
| 06:21.53 | jetscreamer | aldin: apt-cache search console|grep font or apt-cache search console |
| 06:22.00 | tenco | uhm, what causes that: when i hover my mousepointer over a gtk2 app, it changes |
| 06:22.09 | scx | e = 2.71828183 |
| 06:22.22 | militant | it was .17 last i used :D |
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| 06:22.24 | Thazza | I have been looking around.. all my problems are linked to postfix.. so once i get it working.. then i am right. |
| 06:22.25 | scx | militant: e is doing great at the same number |
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| 06:22.41 | aldin | jetscreamer, i just didi it... |
| 06:22.54 | aldin | jetscreamer, console-data - Keymaps, fonts, charset maps, fallback tables for console-tools |
| 06:23.12 | militant | isn't e kinda heavy? |
| 06:23.20 | scx | Thazza: I agree |
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| 06:23.39 | aldin | jetscreamer, i did dpkg-reconfigure console-data... and i got no font style.. |
| 06:23.50 | jetscreamer | hang |
| 06:23.51 | scx | Thazza: scuze moi, wrong id |
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| 06:24.06 | liable | Thazza: ok, for shits and giggles, change to to just '--start' |
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| 06:25.09 | liable | Thazza: i'm pretty sure thats your problem in that line of the script |
| 06:25.10 | jetscreamer | aldin: apt-get install console-setup && dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 06:25.16 | hex1 | hi, anyone know how to enable front panel mic on Debian 4.0? No matter what I do in KMix or ALSAmixer it doesn't seem to work, so I think maybe I need to enable front panel or something |
| 06:25.16 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 06:26.54 | undesktop | what WLAN USB Adapter vendor is ftw on Debian? Fritz, Netgear, SMC, D-Link? |
| 06:27.15 | tenco | Thazza: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348645 |
| 06:27.49 | jetscreamer | `!info whiptail |
| 06:27.52 | jetscreamer | !info whiptail |
| 06:28.01 | dpkg | whiptail: (Displays user-friendly dialog boxes from shell scripts), section utils, is important. Version: 0.52.2-10 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 06:28.04 | Thms | !hotplug |
| 06:28.04 | dpkg | somebody said hotplug was a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
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| 06:28.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:28.18 | militant | installing e now. we'll see how spiffy it is shortly.. |
| 06:28.27 | Thms | is hotplug detecting PCI ? |
| 06:29.24 | jetscreamer | e is like not very dev'd iirc |
| 06:29.32 | jetscreamer | it's very green though |
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| 06:31.44 | militant | it probably hasn't changed much since e16/e17 on slack 7 |
| 06:31.45 | militant | heh |
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| 06:32.00 | mikess | debian 4.0,All good so far |
| 06:32.05 | militant | in which case, GREAT |
| 06:32.16 | mikess | and fast |
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| 06:33.00 | tenco | hmpff |
| 06:33.04 | militant | mikess: yeah i've noticed etch seems to just *pop* |
| 06:33.13 | tenco | snd_hda_intel not working |
| 06:33.50 | tenco | i bet someone moved code from 2.6.20+ vanilla kernels in there :-\ |
| 06:33.50 | mikess | militant: much faster than feisty "dare I compare" |
| 06:35.12 | tenco | mikess: yeah. but run feisty with a custom kernel and off it goes. seems to be some enabled virtualization option |
| 06:35.35 | militant | i'm told NOT to make my own kernels... what gives?? |
| 06:35.46 | tenco | militant: lol? |
| 06:35.49 | mikess | tenco: Interesting |
| 06:36.12 | militant | yeah i was griped at by some people here a month ago with the 'people dont make tehir own kernels anymore usually, it's not necessary and it's often messy' |
| 06:36.15 | mikess | Is there a need to make ones own kernels/ |
| 06:36.25 | militant | which annoyed me kuz i'm used to doing so, from my old slack7.1 days |
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| 06:36.31 | Vasistha | militant: Chances are you don't *need* to... I need to, otherwise I can't boot. |
| 06:36.36 | mikess | I am very happy with Debian 4.0 default |
| 06:36.50 | militant | Vasistha: i'm sure there are performance benefits from having a clean kernel |
| 06:37.03 | moshii | militant: like? |
| 06:37.13 | moshii | militant: some the exist please.. |
| 06:37.15 | tenco | my hda-intel sound card is broken on etch, too. feisty 2.6.20-12 kernel is the last one supplied by valuable distros |
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| 06:37.32 | militant | moshii: less crap loaded? more specialized? i dunno. it's what i always understood. could be wrong, but, meh. |
| 06:37.46 | Vasistha | moshii: "some the exist"? Are you asking for an example of when it would be better to have a slim kernel? |
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| 06:37.55 | mikes1 | tenco: tried Sidux? |
| 06:38.01 | markybob | militant: it only loads what it needs since most of it is compiled as modules and not built-in |
| 06:38.08 | mikes1 | goes very well,,2.6.20 |
| 06:38.08 | moshii | militant: modern operating system load out crap, and the debian kernel is modular |
| 06:38.11 | tenco | mikes1: sth to eat? :) |
| 06:38.18 | militant | well |
| 06:38.26 | Vasistha | markybob: would the loading happen quicker if everything you needed was built-in though? |
| 06:38.41 | militant | i'll be putting gentoo on my other box soon enough, now that i'm mostly comfy in a linux environment again after a few years away from it |
| 06:38.42 | moshii | militant: if you said different process/disk scheduler etc.. maybe |
| 06:38.43 | markybob | Vasistha: maybe if you're running on a 66MHz system |
| 06:38.58 | Vasistha | markybob: 333 MHz laptop with a somewhat slow hard drive |
| 06:39.23 | tenco | moshii: you can change that via /proc or /sys, i read on /. |
| 06:39.36 | markybob | Vasistha: no. udev will be running and checking things regardless. certainly not worth compiling your own |
| 06:39.39 | moshii | tenco: exactly :P |
| 06:40.16 | Vasistha | markybob: ah, nice, so the only reason to slim it down would be to save myself from compiling frickin' everything. I have to compile my own, otherwise it won't boot, due to a firmware bug on my lappy |
| 06:40.19 | moshii | unless you have a strange arch or needs something that has to be patched and builit in you have no reason to build a kernel |
| 06:40.36 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: you have a 333? those celeron 333's do 500 for years, for me |
| 06:40.51 | jetscreamer | just a slightly large fan |
| 06:40.52 | liable | Thazza: i just tried it on my postfix, and it should be '-- start' |
| 06:41.09 | moshii | jetscreamer: had a 633 celeron running a 1ghz for ages |
| 06:41.10 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: well, it's not a celeron, it's a PII, and it's a laptop that's not exactly easy to customize or overclock |
| 06:41.12 | markybob | Vasistha: saving hd space is a good reason, if your root partition is overly crowded. but that's about it...wont same ram or cpu cycles |
| 06:41.22 | Daejeo1 | how can i rename the folder? |
| 06:41.30 | markybob | s/same/save |
| 06:41.36 | markybob | Daejeo1: mv foo foo1 |
| 06:41.44 | tenco | but maybe i missed sth. it's a base system |
| 06:41.48 | tenco | -> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 06:41.53 | jetscreamer | Daejeo1: mv /blah /blee or what he said |
| 06:42.02 | Vasistha | markybob: nice to know. So as long as I'm compiling the kernel on a more powerful box, it sounds like it's not worth my time to try to slim the thing down. |
| 06:42.15 | jetscreamer | /blah/blah /blah/blee |
| 06:42.21 | markybob | Vasistha: yep |
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| 06:42.37 | tenco | Vasistha: debootstrap + chroot is nice for that |
| 06:42.39 | moshii | Vasistha: The debian kernel is built with everything as modules, even IDE |
| 06:43.04 | Vasistha | tenco: nice for what, figuring out how to slim it down? |
| 06:43.36 | moshii | Vasistha: this is why we have our nice initrd/initramfs setup :) |
| 06:43.49 | tenco | Vasistha: no, compile kernel (and other things) for slower boxes on faster boxes |
| 06:44.20 | moshii | or use distcc and do it across all of them |
| 06:44.22 | tenco | Vasistha: esp. if youre running stable on the slower box and unstable on the faster one |
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| 06:44.39 | jetscreamer | can you chroot into somedir via ssh? |
| 06:44.52 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 06:45.01 | tenco | why not? |
| 06:45.03 | Vasistha | tenco: oh... I suppose I could; but for now I just run stable on both, so the fast box downloads the source, and I've got a little script that takes care of everything for me, so I just check up on it via ssh |
| 06:45.10 | Azar | hehe liable, did you seen that? (heck if dondelecaro /.'s I said what the heck?) http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=229913&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=18653399#18653781 |
| 06:45.11 | moshii | jetscreamer: you mean ssh host chroot /chroot /bin/sh |
| 06:45.17 | moshii | jetscreamer: ? |
| 06:45.30 | jetscreamer | i guess :) |
| 06:45.37 | liable | Azar: heh, yeah, i read the artical |
| 06:45.44 | jetscreamer | but it would use my local proc not the remote(s) eh |
| 06:45.56 | militant | back in a bit, checking out e |
| 06:45.57 | Azar | masta jetscreamer ! hello |
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| 06:46.03 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
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| 06:46.32 | moshii | does anyone still read slashdot? |
| 06:46.37 | tenco | yes? |
| 06:47.16 | tenco | mostly, scanning through frontpage: "no, no, no, no, erm.. yes." |
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| 06:48.01 | tenco | over 250 rejected ballots? |
| 06:48.02 | moshii | tenco: the frontpage "DRM, RIAA, something in Japan" |
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| 06:49.41 | hex1 | hi,does anyone know how to enable front panel mic in debian 4.0r0 (KDE 3.5.5) |
| 06:49.42 | scx | please remember me the name of that 3D design tool |
| 06:49.44 | Vasistha | although what I really would like to learn how to do is to just compile the synaptics.c driver and use that with the stock kernel ... but I have no idea if that's possible |
| 06:49.51 | jetscreamer | blender.org |
| 06:49.52 | scx | it is not Maya or Blender, it is... |
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| 06:50.00 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 06:50.03 | scx | for Linux, but not free |
| 06:50.09 | lkthomas | anyone using l7-filter to do firewall ? |
| 06:50.11 | moshii | scx: povray.. |
| 06:50.20 | scx | no it is the render |
| 06:50.22 | moshii | scx: oh, Lightwave? |
| 06:50.22 | Vasistha | !tell lkthomas about anyone |
| 06:50.23 | scx | and free |
| 06:50.31 | jetscreamer | povray |
| 06:50.35 | Vasistha | hex1: maybe kmix |
| 06:50.45 | Azar | moshii: I just nosed on it and surprise surprise! I guess abrotman does it too! |
| 06:50.46 | lkthomas | !tell Vasistha about shutup |
| 06:51.06 | hex1 | Vasistha: There's no obvious setting leading to it |
| 06:51.08 | jetscreamer | kpovmodeler |
| 06:51.11 | Vasistha | plonk |
| 06:51.26 | streuner | !plonk |
| 06:51.26 | dpkg | [plonk] the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 06:51.31 | scx | moshii: mmm no |
| 06:51.35 | jetscreamer | debian menu, apps, sound, kmix |
| 06:51.49 | scx | the one that costs 100 000 dlls |
| 06:51.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kmix if you don't have it |
| 06:51.57 | jetscreamer | renderman |
| 06:52.00 | Thazza | GRRRRR |
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| 06:52.07 | scx | used for LOTR |
| 06:52.12 | tenco | scx: Pro Engineer? |
| 06:52.14 | jetscreamer | !info renderman |
| 06:52.19 | tenco | scx: no |
| 06:52.26 | Azar | is there a way to install etch with no .dm? |
| 06:52.27 | Vasistha | hex1: hmm, you tried all the different input settings? |
| 06:52.29 | jetscreamer | !find renderman |
| 06:52.31 | moshii | so our new leader is a GNAA troll? nice |
| 06:52.38 | Thazza | Etch is a pain in the butt |
| 06:52.41 | tenco | moshii: hmm? |
| 06:52.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'renderman' (2): (/usr/lib/k3d/{libk3drenderman.so|libk3drenderman.so.0|libk3drenderman.so.0.0.0}) in graphics/k3d ;; (/usr/lib/k3d/libk3drenderman.la, /usr/include/k3d/k3dsdk/{irenderman.h|irenderman_property.h|renderman.h|...}) in graphics/k3d-dev. |
| 06:52.47 | Azar | Thazza: awwww why? |
| 06:52.48 | jetscreamer | Azar: take all the x's off the boxes in the selector |
| 06:52.56 | jetscreamer | tasksel |
| 06:53.13 | Azar | jetscreamer: I would want to have the xserver-xorg but without .dm |
| 06:53.19 | jetscreamer | when it asks you desktop/server/whatever... even take off 'standard' |
| 06:53.21 | hex1 | Vasistha: Yea, it's switched to record, and mute is off, and I've played around with the settings (for the last 3 hours) |
| 06:53.24 | scx | pro engeneer is medical stuff isn't it? |
| 06:53.26 | moshii | tenco: The pasted slashdot link.. |
| 06:53.26 | Azar | jetscreamer: I guess the old fashion way: remove .dm |
| 06:53.28 | jetscreamer | oh... apt-get remove gdm kdm xdm |
| 06:53.39 | liable | Thazza: did you see my last line, make it just '-- start' and it should work (tested on my postfix) |
| 06:53.41 | Azar | yeah |
| 06:53.51 | jetscreamer | or what i do Azar which isn't approved is chmod -x /etc/init.d/?dm |
| 06:53.55 | liable | Thazza: interestingly, see this bug |
| 06:54.05 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382804 |
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| 06:54.23 | hark | Azar: which one on slashdot? |
| 06:54.28 | Vasistha | hex1: hmm. can you switch the line in mic on and off with the kmix input interface? |
| 06:54.35 | liable | Thazza: its like you have the new init script, but the old postfix-script |
| 06:54.40 | Azar | jetscreamer: I got used to boot in terminal , I do not like to boot with a .dm enabled, and since I do not use gnome or kde... no need for .dm right? |
| 06:54.46 | moshii | scx: tried apt-cache search render? |
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| 06:54.54 | Azar | hark: the funny chatter about the elected DPL |
| 06:55.00 | jetscreamer | no need unless you want one or need one :) |
| 06:55.06 | scx | moshii: no, this one is not free |
| 06:55.07 | jetscreamer | me i don't have one installed atm |
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| 06:55.14 | hex1 | Vasistha: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 06:55.23 | jetscreamer | scx: apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 06:55.34 | hark | oh, heh yeah |
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| 06:55.38 | tenco | moshii: yes, but where's his campaing page? |
| 06:55.43 | Vasistha | hex1: click on kmix, then mixer. Then click the inputs tab. There ought to be a couple different inputs |
| 06:55.52 | scx | jetscreamer: I know how to use it, it is not in any repo |
| 06:55.54 | Azar | hark: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=229913&cid=18653399 |
| 06:56.13 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:56.13 | hex1 | Vasistha: I know, but I only have a green and a red dot, for muting and recording. No on/off settings though |
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| 06:56.19 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 06:56.27 | Thazza | Azar: Cause it totally stuffed up a box i have been trying to fix for the past 3 hours. |
| 06:56.52 | jetscreamer | maya/3dmax |
| 06:56.53 | moshii | tenco: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-vote@lists.debian.org/msg20165.html |
| 06:56.54 | Azar | jetscreamer: the way I use xserver right now is way too pleasing to my eyes. +, my system does not get burdened with stuff I most likely never use |
| 06:57.11 | tenco | moshii, Azar: thx |
| 06:57.21 | jetscreamer | scx: maya/3dmax ? |
| 06:57.32 | Azar | Thazza: most likely you need to use features that need configurations |
| 06:57.40 | moshii | scx: aladin 4d? |
| 06:57.49 | Vasistha | hex1: oh, sorry, by on/off I meant mute ... was just curious if the kmix controls were controlling your other inputs ... and if the panel mic is listed there |
| 06:57.56 | jetscreamer | !guess which program |
| 06:57.57 | streuner | Azar: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=229913&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=18656165#18656343 |
| 06:57.57 | moshii | scx: or maybe even imagine.. blast from the past |
| 06:58.20 | jetscreamer | this is way more fun than the etch pool was |
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| 06:58.45 | scx | nope, I can't remember the name |
| 06:58.46 | jetscreamer | he said cots a lot, must either be maya or 3ds |
| 06:58.49 | Azar | hahaha yes I saw that one.. |
| 06:58.50 | hex1 | Vasistha: when I turn it off a low piched static-type noise goes away, and when on it comes back. i didn't even notice it before |
| 06:58.51 | jetscreamer | costs |
| 06:58.55 | streuner | hihi |
| 06:59.03 | jetscreamer | hey streuner |
| 06:59.05 | Azar | streuner: french humor huh? |
| 06:59.12 | tenco | moshii: is he bitching about the sword packages? :) |
| 06:59.14 | Vasistha | hex1: well, that's certainly interesting! |
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| 06:59.30 | streuner | Azar: well, he has humor which isn't a bad thingie :-) |
| 06:59.44 | scx | jetscreamer: valve uses it.... I'm looking in the site |
| 06:59.50 | moshii | tenco: Dunno, it's on slashdot so chances are it doesn't matter to people that go outside |
| 06:59.56 | streuner | hi |
| 06:59.59 | Azar | streuner: I saw his pic sam is quite young.. |
| 07:00.02 | hex1 | Vasistha: In a good or bad way? |
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| 07:00.09 | Azar | I could say about my age.. |
| 07:00.20 | hark | guess i won the etch pool then ;) |
| 07:00.22 | jetscreamer | scx: that's what they all use.. one or the other |
| 07:00.41 | jetscreamer | basically |
| 07:00.57 | Vasistha | hex1: in a good way, I would expect -- it's an indication, of sorts, that something is responding to something you're doing, right? |
| 07:00.59 | hark | !etch pool 2 |
| 07:01.00 | dpkg | it has been said that etch pool 2 is jelly=2007-01-27 dan2=2007-05-10 bzed=2007-06-06 themusicgod1=2008-01-01, or hark=2007-04-18 |
| 07:01.09 | Azar | hark, honestly I was thinking/hoping this past sunday that it was about the time for Etch.. seeing bugs going down to 14 on friday, I was like ookkk, is coming |
| 07:01.11 | scx | jetscreamer: nope, they use Maya and.... |
| 07:01.12 | predder | Can anyone recommend a domain name registrar.. preferably someone using OSS |
| 07:01.25 | Guerin | predder: gandi.net |
| 07:01.36 | tarzeau | etch is out, :) (i know it's in the topic) |
| 07:01.39 | hex1 | Vasistha: It proves the mic is responsive and working, but it just isn't .. eh, listening to me, I guess. |
| 07:01.40 | Azar | bzed was the neareast |
| 07:01.49 | Guerin | predder: one of the few who give you full control and explicity allow you to retain ownership of your name |
| 07:01.53 | hark | Azar: yeah, it was fun.. saw the r0 in the mirrors before the announcement |
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| 07:02.00 | Guerin | accept no substitutes |
| 07:02.01 | militant | err |
| 07:02.02 | jetscreamer | scx: that's what i said eh |
| 07:02.14 | Vasistha | predder: I just learned about ocs solutions; haven't started using them yet, but I'm planning on it. |
| 07:02.38 | scx | jetscreamer: grrr... forgetting things makes me really mad |
| 07:02.39 | Azar | tarzeau: recommend some cool games for etch (non-gnome, non-kde for me) please :) |
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| 07:02.53 | Vasistha | hex1: well, it also indicates that you're on the right track -- it indicates that the thing you're manipulating in kmix is, indeed, the panel mic, right? |
| 07:03.18 | militant | kk um i'm guessing e doesn't have a way to change resolutions, i have to do something to my xorg conf? kuz jeez it's setting it at 2048xwhatever, the max my monitor can do |
| 07:03.20 | predder | thanks Guerin. |
| 07:03.32 | Vasistha | hex1: maybe try turning all the volumes up to max and tap it with your finger? a finger-tap direct to the mic ought to be much louder than just about anything else |
| 07:03.43 | \amethyst | militant: you can either edit your xorg conf, or use xrandr |
| 07:03.45 | jetscreamer | scx if it wasn't 3dmax or maya you wasted your time learn them... there's a maya learning edition iirc |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | predder: welcome. I switched to them after getting burned by a domain squatter after one of mine lapsed |
| 07:03.57 | jetscreamer | watermarked though |
| 07:04.01 | militant | xrandr ... ok. |
| 07:04.02 | \amethyst | militant: you use gnome? |
| 07:04.13 | Azar | phew! maya: talking thousands of dollars |
| 07:04.18 | militant | \amethyst: yes generally but i'm tryin to switch to e if it is as appealing as it was years ago |
| 07:04.19 | Guerin | he bought it 17 seconds after expiry, which requires co-operation from the registrar ... and as it happened, it WAS the registrar. |
| 07:04.25 | tarzeau | Azar: haha, ok let's try: brutalchess, briquolo, supertransball2, supertux, mazeofgalious, pathogen |
| 07:04.26 | scx | jetscreamer: I don't like 3dmax and Maya is nearly obsolete |
| 07:04.35 | hark | tarzeau: no kq?? |
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| 07:04.42 | hex1 | Vasistha: Nope, nothing. :( Maybe the back panel has a piece of dirt in it that's generating static |
| 07:04.47 | \amethyst | militant: there'a gnome panel applet for it |
| 07:04.51 | jetscreamer | militant: /usr/bin/xrandr -s 1152x864 |
| 07:04.54 | jetscreamer | example |
| 07:04.55 | \amethyst | militant: you can use the panel with e if you'd like |
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| 07:05.05 | tarzeau | hark: yes that too, of course |
| 07:05.07 | jetscreamer | i have them in a menu |
| 07:05.09 | tarzeau | hark: and nethack |
| 07:05.10 | militant | ahh ok |
| 07:05.10 | jetscreamer | also |
| 07:05.12 | militant | lemme try that |
| 07:05.16 | Azar | tarzeau: nice, I got pathogen, supertux... gonna try brutalchess, briquolo, and mazeofgalions.. |
| 07:05.27 | jetscreamer | !crafty |
| 07:05.27 | dpkg | somebody said crafty was a Chess playing program. [non-free] |
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| 07:05.33 | jetscreamer | it rocks |
| 07:05.37 | tarzeau | Azar: maze of galious (not galions) |
| 07:05.38 | Azar | hark: how's kq? |
| 07:05.38 | hex1 | Vasistha: Hmm, I just noticed a "Mic2", which doesn't even seem to be generating that static |
| 07:05.39 | jetscreamer | it's an engine |
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| 07:05.48 | jetscreamer | i think it's the best in sources |
| 07:05.48 | tarzeau | Azar: very nice, like mystic quest or zelad |
| 07:05.51 | tarzeau | zelda, even |
| 07:05.52 | jetscreamer | not positive |
| 07:06.00 | jetscreamer | !info eboard |
| 07:06.01 | tarzeau | hark, Azar nice music, super graphics and fun story |
| 07:06.01 | \amethyst | militant: The package is gnome-randr-applet |
| 07:06.02 | Vasistha | hex1: yeah, noise could come from anywhere, actually, it might not even be the right mic |
| 07:06.03 | Azar | uh cool, gonna get them I used to love zelda |
| 07:06.08 | dpkg | eboard: (A graphical chessboard program), section games, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 524 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB |
| 07:06.23 | jetscreamer | nice themes... 2d-ish though |
| 07:06.34 | hex1 | Vasistha: So, I'm back to square one |
| 07:06.35 | militant | \amethyst: ok thanks. brb checkin it out |
| 07:07.08 | jetscreamer | don't even bother trying glchess |
| 07:07.11 | jetscreamer | blech |
| 07:07.17 | Vasistha | hex1: have you googled around for other people with your same laptop? |
| 07:07.20 | Azar | wtf nethack should be same .. right? |
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| 07:07.34 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 07:07.42 | \amethyst | same as what? |
| 07:07.44 | Vasistha | !laptop |
| 07:07.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 07:07.58 | jetscreamer | there are a few variations of nethack.. they even have a '3d' one |
| 07:08.05 | jetscreamer | no me gusta |
| 07:08.34 | Azar | guys I can still run my games I use in SArge right? on Etch? |
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| 07:08.56 | streuner | Who knows? |
| 07:08.59 | jetscreamer | probably... there is also a 'bone exchange' program, but i know nothing about it |
| 07:09.03 | hex1 | Vasistha: Using a desktop, and it was custom built by a friend, so no, but I have googled to death front panel microphones, and I can't find anything about them and linux. I know they're disabled in Win by default, so I think they might be in linux too. However so far I found absolutely _nothing_ dealing with them in linux that's relevant |
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| 07:09.07 | \amethyst | called hearse |
| 07:09.09 | Azar | jetscreamer: Egoboo |
| 07:09.17 | streuner | "Debian comes wihout warranty..." |
| 07:09.18 | roxy_ | Hi, doing a dist-upgrade, I got : dpkg: error processing bugzilla (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 07:09.23 | Azar | haha |
| 07:09.31 | roxy_ | How can I get more info on what went wrong ? |
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| 07:09.46 | jetscreamer | chromium ftw |
| 07:10.02 | Azar | streuner: "you have the right to install the right to update, the right to upgrade and the right to remove" |
| 07:10.12 | roxy_ | ie, where can I find the post-installation script ? |
| 07:10.13 | Vasistha | hex1: a desktop with a front panel mic, huh? Yeah, that's kinda weird alright. |
| 07:10.50 | \amethyst | roxy_: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst |
| 07:11.13 | jetscreamer | roxy_: there was a more full error higher up, also, i believe, when it actually happened |
| 07:11.13 | hex1 | Vasistha: Is it? Before this I used a laptop, and before that a 486, so I don't really know what's usual for desktops |
| 07:11.14 | roxy_ | \amethyst: thanks |
| 07:12.03 | k-man | what is the easiest way to set up a windows client to debian server vpn? |
| 07:12.38 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: I think bugzilla is unhappy with the mysql upgrade. |
| 07:12.38 | Vasistha | hex1: I dunno. I've never seen one. |
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| 07:12.45 | scx | jetscreamer: XSI |
| 07:13.00 | yang | Is there a special setting that needs to be done in apache to allow downloads bigger than 250MB files? |
| 07:13.08 | Azar | roxy_: what do you use to dist-upgrade? apt-get or aptitude? |
| 07:13.13 | moshii | k-man: how many clients? |
| 07:13.28 | \amethyst | yang: no---is it possible your isp cuts off large uploads? |
| 07:13.31 | k-man | moshii, about 3 |
| 07:13.35 | liable | yang: i thought apaches limit was a couple o gig |
| 07:13.36 | scx | jetscreamer: http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/ |
| 07:13.37 | GhostlyDeath | "Hit from 192.168.1.2 Detected"... damn you router! |
| 07:13.39 | militant | gah |
| 07:13.47 | yang | liable: ok |
| 07:13.55 | roxy_ | Azar: aptitude |
| 07:13.58 | militant | ok the gnome applet for xrander is installed but it's not showing up in my e menus and i dunno the command for it. |
| 07:14.01 | The_Ball | k-man, i found openvpn easy |
| 07:14.03 | scx | jetscreamer: I really, really really hate forgeting things |
| 07:14.07 | Azar | roxy_: ah ok, was just curious |
| 07:14.17 | moshii | k-man: openvpn is pretty good, if a little weird to configure |
| 07:14.17 | k-man | The_Ball, ok, thanks |
| 07:14.19 | \amethyst | militant: right click a panel, select Add to Panel... |
| 07:14.21 | liable | yang: and i thought that limit was only apache1 |
| 07:14.38 | roxy_ | Azar: I am not a sys ad, I am a programmer, it my test server. |
| 07:14.39 | \amethyst | militant: it will be in the list, though I don't remember the name off the top of my head |
| 07:14.47 | militant | \amethyst: i don't have gnome panels. this is straight e. |
| 07:14.49 | hex1 | Vasistha: :( I think that this is gonna make me have go back to Vista. Thanks for your help though. |
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| 07:15.03 | SnakePlisken | hex1, does your rear mic work? and why do you need front mic? |
| 07:15.03 | \amethyst | militant: oh, then you want to use the command-line program, sorry |
| 07:15.05 | Vasistha | hex1: well, you could try back later... |
| 07:15.17 | Azar | roxy_: ah sorry , didn't mean to offend... |
| 07:15.20 | militant | the command-line one works, but the changes don't stick. |
| 07:15.24 | tenco | shuttleworth hired the debian gnome maintainer? oO |
| 07:15.29 | Vasistha | hex1: I have very little experience here, you should really see if someone who actually knows something can help you, before you give up completely ;-) |
| 07:16.05 | roxy_ | Azar: :-) |
| 07:16.05 | hex1 | SnakePlisken: Nome, that doesn't work either |
| 07:16.07 | roxy_ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: bugzilla is broken or not fully installed |
| 07:16.09 | moshii | tenco: he needed someone to polish his head.. in the non-rude sense |
| 07:16.10 | Azar | tenco: debian crew is free to go and work for anyone, in case you did not know, they have same needs as all of us |
| 07:16.11 | streuner | tenco: ubuntu is OT |
| 07:16.12 | k-man | moshii, ok, thanks |
| 07:16.14 | streuner | here |
| 07:16.20 | hex1 | Vasistha: Hmm, my back panel doesn't work either |
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| 07:16.55 | scx | jetscreamer: btw... I have seen a lot of architects using Blender |
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| 07:16.58 | SnakePlisken | on motherboards if front panel is enabled, usually rear mic is disabled...you can disconnect front mic and hook up rear mic and run 3.5mm jack extensions...just as good if not better than a front mic |
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| 07:17.19 | Vasistha | hex1: did we ever check with the alsa mixer? I dunno if that's related to input, but it might be |
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| 07:17.38 | hex1 | SnakePlisken: How does one disconnect front mic? |
| 07:17.41 | scx | jetscreamer: a friend of mine made the Fiesta Americana in Cancun with blender |
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| 07:18.02 | Azar | hm |
| 07:18.05 | hex1 | Vasistha: Isn't Kmix an interface to alsa? I tried alsa at first, didn;t help, then started playing around with Kmix |
| 07:18.05 | seth1246 | Why was etch released as stable if it still has bugs? Previous stable releases were only released when rc bugs were at 0. |
| 07:18.31 | Azar | seth1246: minor bugs that will be fixed with updates/upgrades |
| 07:18.32 | Vasistha | hex1: see -- I really don't know. That's why I'm hoping you'll find some help from someone who actually knows something ;-) |
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| 07:18.45 | Guerin | seth1246: ask the mailing lists |
| 07:18.52 | tenco | streuner: sorry |
| 07:18.56 | SnakePlisken | connectors are run from the front of the computer to the mic hookups for front panel if motherboard supports it...look in motherboard manual... probably a jumper nearby you will have to switch as well. |
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| 07:19.21 | yigal | please give me advice. i installed a testing weekly build on my fathers intel box. the kernel always gives me a psmouse.c error so that it fails to detect a mouse on boot. I have to unplug/plug it in each time. Should I reinstall debian with etch hoping that the mouse will work? In Ubuntu Feisty beta it woks perfectly and in XP. Any suggestions. I have already spent 10 hours trying to find solution nothing I find works thou |
| 07:19.39 | k-man | can i pin a package using aptitude? |
| 07:19.57 | kalila | anyone here familiar with data mining? what a "labelled dataset" in contrast to a normal one |
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| 07:20.01 | seth1246 | Guerin: Which one? |
| 07:20.01 | Vasistha | yigal: well, etch is stable now, so reinstalling is not a bad idea at all. |
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| 07:20.14 | hex1 | SnakePlisken: I'll have a look at the manual then, thx |
| 07:20.14 | Azar | yigal: if your mouse "works" on another PC - then toggle the settings in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:20.16 | yigal | k-man no you should do it in /etc/apt/ |
| 07:20.23 | SnakePlisken | np |
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| 07:20.32 | yigal | Azar: its not an xserver problem |
| 07:20.33 | hark | k-man: aptitude hold <pkg> |
| 07:20.39 | k-man | ah, thanks hark |
| 07:20.43 | Guerin | seth1246: debian-release, i guess |
| 07:20.43 | Azar | yigal: why you think so? |
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| 07:20.49 | hark | k-man: also /msg dpkg hold |
| 07:20.50 | Guerin | seth1246: perhaps debian-user evenm |
| 07:21.07 | hex1 | Vasistha: You've been the only one to respond in over 3 hours, so your input is valued too |
| 07:21.13 | yigal | Azar: because kernel tells me that it fails to properly install mouse |
| 07:21.28 | hex1 | Vasistha: except SnakePilsken just now of course |
| 07:21.30 | yigal | Azar: in dmesg /var/log/syslog |
| 07:21.37 | yigal | Azar: etc. |
| 07:21.39 | Azar | yigal: hmmm no module for your mouse? in Etch? unreal |
| 07:21.43 | Vasistha | hex1: ah, well it isn't necessarily the best time of day right now. There's a lot of activity in the channel right now, but I think a lot of that's due to etch going stable. |
| 07:21.59 | Azar | yigal: what mouse you use? |
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| 07:22.24 | jetscreamer | what group does a user have to be in to mount things on a loop? -o loop |
| 07:22.26 | yigal | Azar: yes! one moment the mouse is down stairs. It is a ps/2 2 button wheel |
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| 07:22.52 | hex1 | Vasistha: Are Debian-folk mostly JNorth American or European? (ust as an indicator of the time I should come on) |
| 07:23.14 | streuner | hex1: /msg dpkg worldmap |
| 07:23.19 | Vasistha | hex1: ...and there are all sorts of people asking upgrade questions since etch went stable yesterday... you might have better luck finding help next week. I know that when I need help, I come in and ask a question, and if I don't get it ... I'll try back in a few hours, or on another day |
| 07:23.26 | streuner | !dll |
| 07:23.27 | dpkg | i guess dll is (Dynamic Link Library) This is a library of procedures that programs can call with input. The DLL produces output related to that input. |
| 07:23.31 | streuner | argh |
| 07:24.20 | streuner | hex1: the message is ok, just use factoid worldmap |
| 07:25.10 | hex1 | streuner: Out of the two maps, the first gives no indication if there's more NA then EU, and the second gives a 404 :( |
| 07:25.24 | streuner | !debstats |
| 07:25.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 07:25.41 | streuner | hex1: debstats are better... |
| 07:25.44 | hex1 | !debstats |
| 07:25.45 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 07:25.59 | yigal | Azar: M-S69 Logitech mouse |
| 07:26.10 | hex1 | streuner: thanks |
| 07:26.34 | Azar | yigal: ok did you set your xorg to look at PS2 mouse? |
| 07:27.05 | jetscreamer | omg i'm #4 |
| 07:27.21 | yigal | Azar: its not a problem with xorg. If I unplug/plug the mouse in it works in gpm and xorg |
| 07:27.46 | Azar | yigal: ok can you repeat your issue? |
| 07:27.50 | yigal | Azar: I have set the mouse up with generic ImPs/2 and with evdev |
| 07:28.07 | streuner | Bush is #1 in US, according to that it isn't that bad :-) |
| 07:28.21 | yigal | Azar: on boot I get psmouse.c errors and I believe udev fails to id my mouse |
| 07:28.44 | liable | eek |
| 07:29.06 | jetscreamer | Vasistha wrote the longest lines, averaging 98.4 letters per line. |
| 07:29.18 | jetscreamer | Vasistha wrote an average of 17.12 words per line. |
| 07:29.21 | Azar | yigal: so correct me if I am wrong: your mouse "works" in gpm and xorg but it gives you errors? |
| 07:29.22 | markybob | i do not have a fucking potty mouth! |
| 07:29.36 | SlayerXP | i don't get mentioned at all |
| 07:29.39 | Azar | ok on boot |
| 07:29.47 | SlayerXP | i consider thisw to be a feature, not a bug |
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| 07:30.01 | yigal | Azar: it gives me errors when initally booting and fails to work until I have unplugged it and plugged i back in after gdm starts |
| 07:30.03 | Vasistha | hehheh .. never knew those existed for #debian ... I used to be featured on the #freenode-social stats page... |
| 07:30.18 | Azar | hmmm ok... must be an etch thing, because my Sarge boot never sees my mouse: no notes about it |
| 07:30.19 | jetscreamer | i kinda quit looking at that channel |
| 07:30.27 | jetscreamer | not the same |
| 07:30.34 | yigal | Azar: it does |
| 07:30.52 | yigal | Azar: in the CL type: cat dmesg | grep -in mouse |
| 07:31.11 | Azar | yigal: at boot time we think that devices get initialized, maybe init.d does not see it |
| 07:31.12 | yigal | Azar: or just cat dmesg | grep -i mouse |
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| 07:31.51 | Azar | yigal: or the module for your "particular" mouse type is not there.. |
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| 07:32.35 | yigal | Azar: hmmm, I think I will consider the "particular" mouse route, thanks Azar. Freebsd also had a problem detecting this mouse so this might be the issue |
| 07:32.44 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: I abandoned all social channels ... it's just not what I'm here for :-) |
| 07:33.12 | Azar | yigal: usb mouse? |
| 07:33.12 | liable | irc and social dont really mix ;) |
| 07:33.33 | yigal | Azar: thats the really weird thing it isn't. It is a ps/2 |
| 07:33.53 | jetscreamer | liable: but but.. we drink together! |
| 07:33.57 | jetscreamer | !beer liable |
| 07:34.03 | k-man | i have a package that aptitude says is "broken" (specificaly my kernel package) |
| 07:34.08 | k-man | how can I fix it? |
| 07:34.11 | liable | wohoo :) |
| 07:34.18 | Azar | yigal: someone using mandriva with kernel 2.6.18 complains about same thing |
| 07:34.23 | militant | hmmm e is rockin. i'm likin it. |
| 07:34.25 | liable | it is almost beer time actually |
| 07:34.38 | Azar | party time |
| 07:34.42 | militant | firefox ignores the 'hey remember where yer at and restart btw at login' but oh well. |
| 07:34.50 | yigal | Azar: awesome would you please point me to the bug |
| 07:34.56 | Vasistha | what time is it right now in CET zone? |
| 07:34.58 | streuner | k-man: show us the whole error and your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 07:35.02 | jetscreamer | k-man: paste the error output |
| 07:35.04 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 07:35.22 | k-man | jetscreamer, and streuner oh, it is marked as B in aptitude ui |
| 07:35.44 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of aptitude |
| 07:36.12 | yigal | Azar: I compiled 2.6.20 vanilla and it still had the problem, but I used the 2.6.18 config of the testing Deb. kernel so I think it might have to do with configuration of the kernel? |
| 07:36.21 | streuner | k-man: me either, so just use 'apt-get' |
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| 07:36.22 | militant | w00t. |
| 07:36.30 | Azar | yigal: try /etc/init.d/gpm see the configuration there |
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| 07:36.49 | h00t | can anyone tell me what do i have to do to unrar |
| 07:37.03 | Guerin | h00t: go to rarlabs.de |
| 07:37.22 | liable | eh? |
| 07:37.29 | h00t | debian |
| 07:37.31 | h00t | way |
| 07:37.32 | yigal | Azar: on a side note do you think it is better to invoke rc by the invoke-rc or /etc/init.d ? |
| 07:37.43 | hark | install unrar-free or unrar |
| 07:37.46 | liable | h00t: install unrar |
| 07:37.52 | k-man | streuner, i get conflicting advice on this channel |
| 07:38.03 | k-man | some people say apt-get is depricated and one should only use aptitude |
| 07:38.14 | yigal | Azar: it didn't work |
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| 07:38.17 | militant | apt-get is basically all i use. |
| 07:38.21 | k-man | streuner, not a complaint about yourself as you are offering to help me |
| 07:38.23 | militant | i fear gui tools |
| 07:38.26 | k-man | i used to use apt-get too |
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| 07:38.28 | h00t | liable, what's the name of the package |
| 07:38.33 | seth1246 | I looked in both debian-release and debian-user mailing lists, but I still can not find any info as to why it was released with rc (release-critical) bugs. Previous debian stable releases where not made until rc bugs were at 0. |
| 07:38.40 | k-man | i was told aptitude manages dependancies better |
| 07:38.40 | yigal | Azar: I have tried modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe -a psmouse no luck |
| 07:38.43 | streuner | Vashi: Di 10. Apr 09:38:27 CEST 2007 |
| 07:38.46 | liable | h00t: unrar |
| 07:38.53 | h00t | liable, can i somehow integrate it into gnome archive manager |
| 07:38.53 | jetscreamer | rar -x |
| 07:39.04 | seth1246 | Does anyone have any info, or know where I can get info on this? |
| 07:39.04 | liable | h00t: nfc |
| 07:39.07 | jetscreamer | man rar |
| 07:39.08 | hark | rar seems to be shareware.. |
| 07:39.15 | jetscreamer | there is a free |
| 07:39.17 | yigal | Azar: I will look into the "particular" model and if it doesn't work I will install etch stable and cross fingers |
| 07:39.18 | jetscreamer | in main |
| 07:39.18 | hark | h00t: install file-roller |
| 07:39.28 | hark | oh |
| 07:40.09 | Azar | yigal: hold on a min, which Debian are you using with that 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 07:40.17 | hark | ah, rar-2.80 |
| 07:40.18 | streuner | Vasistha: Di 10. Apr 09:38:27 CEST 2007 |
| 07:40.47 | yigal | I am using the testing branch? but I downloaded it may be a few days before etch was released |
| 07:40.48 | Vasistha | streuner: thanks! |
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| 07:41.21 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 07:42.03 | yigal | So I have lenny installed ? |
| 07:42.14 | Azar | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 07:42.22 | streuner | Vashi: you have another guess left ;-) |
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| 07:42.24 | yigal | Azar:? |
| 07:42.32 | gypsymauro | I need to backup a server before the upgrade from sarge to etch, there is a way to create an image of partitions/disks on a file and restore them eventually something goes wrong? |
| 07:42.32 | Azar | sorry.... that was fun |
| 07:42.34 | jetscreamer | there is also a different rar in marillat's repo |
| 07:42.43 | Azar | yigal: go and get an Etch install |
| 07:42.48 | jetscreamer | under non-free |
| 07:42.55 | Guerin | pointless |
| 07:42.57 | yigal | Azar: it should be better? ok |
| 07:43.04 | Guerin | just use the author's binary, if you must |
| 07:43.19 | Azar | yigal: Etch is the shiny new Debian Stable distribution: is one day old |
| 07:43.39 | yigal | Azar: yes, you understand what I did now? |
| 07:43.48 | militant | hrrrm. e is nice. but. anyone know why i still get such ... choppy performance on a gf3 when i move windows around or scroll between virtual desktops? |
| 07:44.00 | Guerin | militant: what driver? |
| 07:44.12 | Azar | yigal: most likely you installed incorrectly some distro/version... whatever you did |
| 07:44.20 | militant | Guerin: the binary nvidia drivers. i know they are working 'fine' basically kuz flightgear does the 3d just fine |
| 07:44.30 | Azar | yigal: install Debian 4.0 |
| 07:44.39 | yigal | ok |
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| 07:44.48 | Guerin | militant: do you get proper desktop perfrmance with the nv driver? |
| 07:44.55 | aFlag | seth1246: which release critical bugs weren't fixed before the release? |
| 07:44.57 | militant | yigal, i'm really digging etch.... err nvm |
| 07:44.59 | Azar | hello honorable Gnea |
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| 07:45.31 | militant | Guerin: i didn't try. should i? and if so, how do i go about doing that, without disturbing my generally healthy setup i already have? |
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| 07:45.39 | streuner | !tell Ryiel about root |
| 07:45.51 | jetscreamer | change nvidia to nv in xorg.conf |
| 07:45.55 | Guerin | militant: it won't break anything |
| 07:45.58 | streuner | Ryiel: just log out and back in as 'user' NOT as root |
| 07:46.03 | militant | ok |
| 07:46.04 | militant | hang |
| 07:46.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.26 | k1ckn1ck | hi, just done apt-get upgrade on my debian server, 45 updates installed now my mysql server will nto start #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
| 07:46.28 | jetscreamer | to "nv" |
| 07:46.58 | militant | and then just ctrl-alt-bksp? |
| 07:47.04 | Vasistha | streuner: I guess deutsch for "Tuesday" ... which ... must start with "Di" but that doesn't mean I know what it is! |
| 07:47.10 | seth1246 | aFlag: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ show 81 release-critical bugs (you can also see on the chart that it was at 0 for the release of sarge). |
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| 07:47.17 | jetscreamer | yeh restart x |
| 07:47.21 | militant | k brb |
| 07:47.34 | streuner | Vashi: "Dienstag" |
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| 07:47.46 | h00t | so i installed free-unrar ... nothing ... i tried from terminal "urar" "rar" "unrar" ... it's like it's not installed |
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| 07:48.03 | militant | yeah it runs much better this way. but now i don't have 3d... |
| 07:48.09 | jetscreamer | h00t: supply the full path/to/it it's not in your path probably |
| 07:48.17 | Azar | k1ckn1ck: try clean your stuff use : aptitude update / aptitude upgrade. If offers to remove packages is because they are broken and you will need to use aptitude install to install them back |
| 07:48.25 | jetscreamer | h00t: or try as root |
| 07:48.34 | doudou1 | hi, where do i find the iso file to install from internet without cd |
| 07:48.45 | streuner | d-i |
| 07:48.50 | streuner | !d-i |
| 07:48.51 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:48.52 | hark | h00t: it's unrar-free btw, and it won't work for 3.0 format rar archives |
| 07:49.04 | jetscreamer | or that |
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| 07:49.13 | Vasistha | doudou1: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html |
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| 07:49.14 | h00t | hark ... worning was noted |
| 07:49.15 | streuner | doudou1: without CD? |
| 07:49.18 | h00t | warning |
| 07:49.30 | streuner | doudou1: look for 'hd-media' |
| 07:49.31 | hark | h00t: for them you need unrar which is in non-free. file-roller to use in Gnome |
| 07:49.38 | h00t | jetscreamer, "find / -name unrar" finds nothing on the whole system ... WTF |
| 07:49.54 | hark | h00t: /usr/share/doc/unrar-free |
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| 07:50.03 | jetscreamer | i dunno... nn |
| 07:50.08 | tenco | hmm, garnome fails to build with unstable imagemagick |
| 07:50.12 | militant | Guerin: ok, yeah, nv works better for what i was complaining about. but... what about 3d? can i not get the nvidia driver to function smoothly, so i'll be stuck choosing?? |
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| 07:50.18 | hark | h00t: dpkg -L unrar-free |
| 07:50.39 | h00t | I got it ... i actually have to run it like this "unrar-free" |
| 07:50.39 | hark | militant: you used nv.run didn't you ;) |
| 07:50.42 | doudou1 | yes i did this with ubuntu: mount -o loop mini.iso iso and then copy all and ask grub to boot from the directory with initrd |
| 07:50.45 | h00t | uchhhe |
| 07:50.50 | Guerin | militant: direct all complaints to nvidia corporation |
| 07:51.03 | militant | hark: i guess so. i followed jetscreamer's instructions... |
| 07:51.05 | Vasistha | h00t: or, you could leave off the '-free' and get the non-free one :P |
| 07:51.08 | hark | hehe |
| 07:51.12 | k1ckn1ck | azar i get errors when doing apt-get update 97% [1 Packages gzip 0] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] |
| 07:51.12 | k1ckn1ck | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 07:51.12 | k1ckn1ck | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 07:51.12 | k1ckn1ck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.18 | hark | how apt |
| 07:51.24 | doudou1 | but i tried with to iso files i found on debian server, butone goes to kernel panic and another cant find my network card |
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| 07:51.28 | k1ckn1ck | sorry :( |
| 07:51.32 | h00t | what is this "file-roller" you speak of |
| 07:51.45 | Vasistha | kicknick got kicked? |
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| 07:52.02 | jetscreamer | hey they work just fine. :p |
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| 07:52.15 | hark | h00t: Gnome's archive manager.. apt-cache show file-roller |
| 07:52.26 | militant | hark: nv.run results in this sorta crappy 2d performance...? i'm not sure what the issue is here |
| 07:52.32 | jetscreamer | militant: you might check the readme for tweaks to the xorg.conf |
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| 07:52.37 | hark | militant: yeah, j/k |
| 07:52.46 | Vasistha | h00t: I'd recommend the non-free unrar, it works great for newsgroup binaries, if that's what you're looking for. I haven't yet encountered something it couldn't handle |
| 07:53.05 | h00t | hark, is it the "Archive Manager" in the right click menu |
| 07:53.08 | Vasistha | h00t: but, you know, that depends how you feel about using non-free packages |
| 07:53.12 | entropy | hi all, can someone please direct me to the correct 'm' so that I can 'rt' it ;) I'm getting a "GPG error" when i run `apt-get update` - and I get told to run "apt-get update" to try fix it :/ |
| 07:53.13 | jetscreamer | uh... it was the NVIDIA-blah.run |
| 07:53.18 | hark | h00t: yes, then you have it |
| 07:53.20 | jetscreamer | not the nv.run factoid |
| 07:53.27 | militant | ahh yeah |
| 07:53.29 | militant | true |
| 07:53.32 | liable | m? rt? |
| 07:53.35 | jetscreamer | but samething |
| 07:53.36 | entropy | rtfm |
| 07:53.36 | h00t | Vasistha, yeah i just noticed that free one can't open my "particular" archive |
| 07:53.36 | entropy | nm |
| 07:53.46 | k1ckn1ck | azar i am getting the following error |
| 07:53.48 | k1ckn1ck | (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 07:54.00 | h00t | hark, how can i make non-free unrar work automatically w/ gnome archive manager |
| 07:54.12 | jetscreamer | remove the free one |
| 07:54.13 | markybob | entropy: /topic |
| 07:54.14 | hark | h00t: as i said, just install it |
| 07:54.17 | liable | k1ckn1ck: do an update again |
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| 07:54.29 | entropy | markybob: LOL - thanks |
| 07:54.35 | k1ckn1ck | as in apt-get update |
| 07:54.40 | k1ckn1ck | i keep getting the error |
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| 07:54.51 | militant | actually on further playing around, the virtual desktop switching is still a bit choppy and windows don't scoot as smooth as i had hoped. i guess the binary nvidia driver will stay my regular, losing 3d isn't worth a slight improvement like this |
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| 07:55.09 | eshaase | i'm getting sick of firefox, its getting too bloated and slow, any suggested alternatives? |
| 07:55.16 | jetscreamer | change the word stable to etch, on the security line |
| 07:55.19 | mikess | opera |
| 07:55.20 | markybob | eshaase: epiphany ? |
| 07:55.21 | Vasistha | eshaase: I looooove opera |
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| 07:55.28 | earthian | hello |
| 07:55.32 | earthian | \amethyst, are you here? |
| 07:55.34 | liable | cept it segfaults :P |
| 07:55.39 | mikess | opera 9.2 |
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| 07:55.43 | Vasistha | eshaase: although right now it has a conflict with etch's xlibs, so you have to install the 9.20 weekly build 636 |
| 07:55.46 | jetscreamer | k1ckn1ck: try change the word stable to etch, on the security line |
| 07:55.49 | tenco | if epiphany had better cookie managment, i would use it |
| 07:55.55 | _bob_ | hello, i have a dir with millions of files inside and i need to quickly move it to another server, rsync, ls, find and other tools are terribly slow - hanging forever trying to read the dir contents, what approach should i use to move the files really fast? |
| 07:55.57 | h00t | ... works like a charm ... why can't pirates use tar.gz |
| 07:56.16 | doudou1 | vasistha: your link is good, but where is the good iso file, i suppose it is small one to only launch installer |
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| 07:56.22 | mikess | opera 9.2 with gestures,and speed dial kicks the fox |
| 07:56.34 | Vasistha | doudou1: any iso will work with it |
| 07:56.47 | jetscreamer | militant: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9631/README/index.html |
| 07:56.49 | hark | nah, iceweasel's got it all with it's extensions.. can't be beaten |
| 07:57.13 | mikes1 | Vasistha: legendary |
| 07:57.23 | hark | got the memory hog too.. tsk |
| 07:57.28 | h00t | thanx everyone |
| 07:57.29 | h00t | bye |
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| 07:57.36 | mikes1 | chow |
| 07:57.36 | militant | jetscreamer: word, reading thru... |
| 07:58.03 | jetscreamer | militant: is agp loaded? |
| 07:58.08 | jetscreamer | agpgart? |
| 07:58.11 | doudou1 | vasistha: i tried already two, none worked, first tried to mount filesystem to dev 8:0 and did not find it, second one (credt card installer) did not find network card |
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| 07:58.16 | militant | jetscreamer: yep |
| 07:58.20 | jetscreamer | k |
| 07:58.29 | mikes1 | My gnome blank screen saver is white not black/ |
| 07:58.36 | eshaase | Vasistha: for opera? |
| 07:58.50 | militant | agpgart 30216 2 nvidia,via_agp |
| 07:58.52 | militant | heh |
| 07:59.22 | DavidProck1981 | hay does Debian have full functionality with a Fat32 |
| 07:59.24 | _bob_ | anyone? regarding large collection of files? or please point me to appropriate channel |
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| 07:59.35 | Vasistha | eshaase: I can't really parse what you said as a complete sentence, but I would recommend trying opera. I've converted a couple linux/FF to opera ;-) |
| 08:00.05 | militant | eh |
| 08:00.06 | militant | screwit |
| 08:00.08 | mikes1 | Opera is better |
| 08:00.11 | mikes1 | lol |
| 08:00.11 | militant | i have bigger issues to work on |
| 08:00.18 | doudou1 | vasistha: give me a link to one iso file you think will work |
| 08:00.20 | militant | you guys are very helpful btw, it's much appreciated |
| 08:00.24 | Vasistha | _bob_: I dunno, have you looked into tar? I don't think it was ever designed for speed :P |
| 08:00.24 | mikes1 | yeh like my screensaver |
| 08:00.32 | militant | brb restarting x to go back to the binary driver |
| 08:00.42 | Vasistha | doudou1: I'd be inclined to try the net install cd, not the business card though |
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| 08:01.24 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: yes, it does. mount as vfat |
| 08:01.25 | doudou1 | vasistha: i dont have cd writer nor reader |
| 08:01.49 | DavidProck1981 | can debian fully use a Fat32 back and forth with windows and have no crouptions |
| 08:01.50 | mikes1 | oh dear |
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| 08:02.07 | _bob_ | Vasistha: i guess tar will do the same... i guess i need something like dd, but to move files between server... |
| 08:02.10 | Vasistha | doudou1: that's okay, you can save the iso image on your hard drive, and using the special kernel I linked earlier, you can run from there |
| 08:02.13 | mikes1 | DavidProck1981: Works fine here |
| 08:02.17 | SlayerXP | DavidProck1981: short answer: yes. |
| 08:02.22 | jetscreamer | doudou1: got a floppy? |
| 08:02.33 | doudou1 | no floppy |
| 08:02.38 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 08:02.38 | mikes1 | whats a floppy |
| 08:02.38 | militant | is there a keyboard shortcut to switch virtual desktops (i hate using the mouse, avoid it as much as possible, and the edge flip is annoyingly slow) |
| 08:02.43 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:02.53 | Vasistha | _bob_: yeah, I'm inclined to think dd wouldn't work even on the same machine because the drive geometry might be different |
| 08:02.58 | hark | militant: depends on the wm |
| 08:02.58 | doudou1 | i have ethernet connection to a box with dhcp server, should be enought |
| 08:02.59 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt 1,,3,4... |
| 08:03.04 | DavidProck1981 | what is the max partition size allowed for Fat32 |
| 08:03.05 | jetscreamer | not F1 |
| 08:03.17 | militant | oh |
| 08:03.18 | Vasistha | militant: in kde it's ctrl+tab |
| 08:03.18 | militant | ok |
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| 08:03.49 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: I'm pretty sure you can find that pretty easily on wikipedia |
| 08:03.58 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 08:04.01 | militant | jetscreamer: doesn't work. |
| 08:04.02 | doudou1 | i have debian almost working and grub installed too |
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| 08:04.16 | tenco | is iceape-dev == mozilla-dev? |
| 08:04.26 | k1ckn1ck | jetscreamer: still giving error http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=76737 |
| 08:04.27 | jetscreamer | works here, and in gnome iirc but not positive... should be in the help though |
| 08:04.40 | jetscreamer | the mozilla suite yes |
| 08:04.40 | _bob_ | i need some filesystem expert, is there ext3 channel or something? |
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| 08:04.50 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: the main limitation in terms of sizes on fat32 is that file size is limited to 4 GB, which is smaller than many dvd images. If you're looking to share with windows ... you might consider using ext2 and the explore2fs util in windows |
| 08:05.24 | jetscreamer | no idea then k1ckn1ck |
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| 08:05.32 | jetscreamer | bad repo? |
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| 08:05.45 | DavidProck1981 | what is explore2fs |
| 08:05.47 | jetscreamer | filesize limit is 2g |
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| 08:05.57 | militant | e is definitely under-developed. missing a LOT of config dialogs/etc |
| 08:05.58 | militant | but |
| 08:06.00 | jetscreamer | explore2fs is a program that reads ext |
| 08:06.01 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: google it, you'll fine it |
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| 08:06.04 | jetscreamer | in windows |
| 08:06.06 | militant | it feels more ... natural, comfy |
| 08:06.07 | jetscreamer | works well |
| 08:06.07 | Vasistha | s/fine/find/ |
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| 08:06.21 | |rouemirc| | So I have this bad bug where a lot of applications think the time is like 6-8 hours ahead of what it actually is |
| 08:06.24 | hark | DavidProck1981: windows fs driver stuff, use your googlefu |
| 08:06.39 | militant | k brb |
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| 08:06.39 | jetscreamer | militant: try icewm or fluxbox or *box |
| 08:06.44 | |rouemirc| | Gaim and XMMS are two that I know of for sure |
| 08:06.52 | \amethyst | militant: e16keyedit maybe? |
| 08:06.53 | DavidProck1981 | im guessing it is to let windows Ext2, Well is there one for Ext3 |
| 08:06.56 | militant | jetscreamer: nah maybe sometime but for now i'm digging being back in e after years away |
| 08:06.59 | doudou1 | ok forget previous one, how do i reinstall all? i have locale broken |
| 08:07.11 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 08:07.11 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 08:07.24 | |rouemirc| | I think I might be set to UTC? |
| 08:07.27 | jetscreamer | that's a 2 scenario factoid |
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| 08:07.52 | tenzind_ | hi .... where can i find cowloop modules... i cant find it in sid .... before one year, it was in the sid repo |
| 08:08.06 | doudou1 | jetscreamer: bash: !reinstall: event not found |
| 08:08.24 | doudou1 | jetscreamer: bash: ! reinstall: event not found |
| 08:08.27 | doudou1 | jetscreamer: bash: ! re install: event not found |
| 08:08.30 | doudou1 | jetscreamer: bash: ! re ins tall: event not found |
| 08:08.31 | liable | haha |
| 08:08.34 | doudou1 | jetscreamer: bash: ! re inst all: event not found |
| 08:08.35 | liable | doudou1: stop it |
| 08:08.55 | liable | doudou1: copy the thing that dpkg wrote |
| 08:08.55 | militant | hmmm ok the keybindings it's showing aren't working. like ctrl-alt-left/right for switching virtual desktops |
| 08:08.56 | doudou1 | liable: i do my best |
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| 08:09.25 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: if you actually googled explore2fs you would find that it reads ext3 too. Unfortunately, though, it appears that write support has been dropped (I used to use it when it had write support, so I'm sad to find that out) |
| 08:09.31 | doudou1 | liable: how do i write this? |
| 08:09.49 | hark | there's fs-driver.org as well |
| 08:09.52 | liable | doudou1: just copy and paste it, theres two seperate commands there |
| 08:10.27 | \amethyst | tenzind_: replaced by unionfs I think |
| 08:10.33 | DavidProck1981 | is there any benefical loss from useing Ext2 instead of Ext3 |
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| 08:10.59 | \amethyst | tenzind_: there's also funionfs, which uses fuse |
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| 08:12.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:12.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:12.14 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: well, the nice thing about ext2 is that if you accidentally delete files, you have a fair chance of getting them back. You can also securely delete, or "shred" with ext2; shredding is impossible with ext3. ext3, however, adds some stability and security in the case of a power failure or other crash |
| 08:12.18 | militant | rad |
| 08:12.19 | militant | got it |
| 08:12.20 | militant | brb |
| 08:12.22 | doudou1 | liable: i dont know how to use dpkg to ask it to list installed packages |
| 08:12.28 | tenzind_ | \amethyst: ok .. thanks |
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| 08:12.42 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: both are leagues more reliable than fat32 |
| 08:12.53 | \amethyst | DavidProck1981: No journalling, so it's more prone to corruption if, say, the power goes out |
| 08:13.01 | dexomsrc | I have a bad bug that makes my applications think it's several houts later than it actually is. |
| 08:13.01 | liable | doudou1: see what dpkg (the bot in this channel) said earlier ^^^ |
| 08:13.10 | dexomsrc | I think I may be set to use UTC, which is not what I want. |
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| 08:13.14 | liable | doudou1: copy and paste starting at COLUMNS |
| 08:13.21 | Vasistha | dexomsrc: tzconfig |
| 08:13.23 | dexomsrc | How do I check it UTC time is enabled or not? |
| 08:13.33 | Techdeck | Is there software that can tell you the type of ram you have? |
| 08:13.38 | Techdeck | or motherboard? |
| 08:13.40 | hark | dexomsrc: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 08:13.42 | Techdeck | lspci can do that? |
| 08:13.54 | hark | your BIOS? |
| 08:14.03 | \amethyst | Techdeck: lspci can tell you what chipset your MB uses |
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| 08:14.17 | Techdeck | I can use that to know which memory I need for that server? |
| 08:14.19 | hark | lhw, dmidecode, hwinfo.. but not really |
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| 08:14.29 | hark | *lshw |
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| 08:14.39 | Techdeck | lshw tells me exactly what I need? |
| 08:14.47 | Techdeck | I need to know which type of ram to buy without actually opening that PC |
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| 08:15.28 | DavidProck1981 | You was saying u remember when that program had wright support, (was the wright support flawless), And do u think you could find an old copy of the program |
| 08:15.30 | fasta | Everytime when I upgrade X the Debian nvidia modules do not upgrade in sync (Unstable). Why not? |
| 08:15.47 | doudou1 | liable: sorry i do not understand what to do. i give up. thanks |
| 08:15.59 | hark | ha |
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| 08:16.12 | Techdeck | hark? |
| 08:16.21 | liable | hrm, must have confused the poor lad |
| 08:16.43 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: dude, sorry, but if you are interested in this, then you should go read the web page and the faq yourself |
| 08:16.47 | Techdeck | actually wait, lshw does the trick |
| 08:16.49 | Techdeck | thanks a lot |
| 08:17.01 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 08:17.31 | militant | wow |
| 08:17.33 | militant | i'm a complete idiot |
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| 08:18.13 | militant | i just realized DUH my monitor is 16:9 ... so i've been using the wrong resolutions, and using the monitor's controls to stretch horizontal, no wonder it's been looking less than sharp/proper |
| 08:18.14 | hark | ah, i remember, he's the dude who asked the 'what is emacs?' question here |
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| 08:18.45 | fasta | My package system is in a somewhat broken state: http://pastebin.ca/432481 |
| 08:19.10 | militant | anyone else use a 16:9 monitor? |
| 08:19.22 | fasta | "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state" is among the messages |
| 08:19.23 | \amethyst | fasta: can you do apt-get install python-central ? |
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| 08:19.48 | \amethyst | fasta: apt-get install python-central reportbug maybe |
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| 08:20.34 | hark | militant: lcd? |
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| 08:20.51 | militant | hark: 24" sony trinitron crt. |
| 08:20.58 | militant | fdw-900 |
| 08:21.08 | liable | the bug stuff is all broken atm it seems |
| 08:21.33 | hark | the python-central bug is fixed now |
| 08:21.38 | fasta | \amethyst: I was trying to post the output of that command, but now pastebin thinks I am a spammer .... |
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| 08:21.54 | liable | !paste |
| 08:21.54 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 08:21.59 | liable | use that one ^^ |
| 08:22.20 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:22.27 | hark | militant: what does xdpyinfo |grep dimensions say? |
| 08:22.33 | militant | honestly i prefer this crt over any lcd or plasma screen i've seen. the dot pitch is excellent, the image and color is GREAT, and i feel masculine with my 94lbs of visual goodness |
| 08:22.37 | fasta | liable: how long before pastes are deleted there? |
| 08:22.50 | liable | fasta: dunno actually |
| 08:22.58 | militant | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.00 | liable | fasta: prolly weekly? maybe daily |
| 08:23.15 | fasta | liable: I know a few paste services that retain information forever. |
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| 08:23.26 | liable | fasta: and the point is? |
| 08:23.59 | artagnon | What can I get for debian that's like limewire? Limewire doesn't seem to be there on the default repos |
| 08:23.59 | Vasistha | artagnon: giFT |
| 08:24.10 | liable | non-free perhaps? |
| 08:24.14 | liable | !info limewire |
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| 08:24.26 | militant | i'm not sure which resolution to use on a 16:9 taht'd be similar in the size of things to 1280x1024 |
| 08:24.26 | liable | doesnt exist.. |
| 08:24.28 | tenco | where can i find a list of files i can put into /etc/modprobe.d and what they are for? man modprobe.d isn't helpful |
| 08:24.34 | artagnon | Vasistha: Thank you |
| 08:24.44 | Techdeck | hark, can lshw cause I/O errors on SCSI disks? |
| 08:24.46 | Vasistha | artagnon: you can even get a gui client, e.g. kde's apollon |
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| 08:24.53 | Vasistha | artagnon: you're welcome! |
| 08:25.02 | Techdeck | it gave me some weird I/O errors on hda |
| 08:25.13 | fasta | hark: thanks :) |
| 08:25.13 | hark | militant: hmm, 1280x720 maybe .. or 1280x768, wait i'll check |
| 08:25.20 | hark | Techdeck: not that i am aware off |
| 08:25.20 | Techdeck | and I don't have an ide disk |
| 08:25.20 | Techdeck | oh wait, might be cdrom.. doh |
| 08:25.21 | artagnon | Vasistha: Right. I need a GUI client too |
| 08:25.24 | Techdeck | nvm |
| 08:25.40 | Techdeck | hda: tray open |
| 08:25.41 | Techdeck | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 4 |
| 08:25.51 | Techdeck | I got some of those |
| 08:25.59 | liable | whats that other java one? |
| 08:28.10 | tenco | no help with modprobe.d? |
| 08:28.11 | tenco | any docs i can install? |
| 08:28.11 | tenco | no module-init-tools-doc package |
| 08:28.18 | Vasistha | tenco: there's modinfo |
| 08:28.21 | markybob | tenco: man modprobe.d |
| 08:28.54 | tenco | markybob: not helpful. far to short. only information on /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 08:29.19 | markybob | it's not that complicated of a thing. that's like asking for a term paper on the makeup of water |
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| 08:30.01 | tenco | Vasistha: modinfo is part of modutils which isn't for 2.6 kernels, afaik |
| 08:30.08 | tenco | markybob: tell me |
| 08:30.22 | markybob | tenco: you havent asked a question |
| 08:30.45 | tenco | markybob: i want to load a module with a certain option, in which file under /etc/modprobe.d do i have to put that? |
| 08:30.49 | fasta | Everytime I upgrade X the Debian nvidia modules do not upgrade in sync (Unstable). Why not? |
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| 08:31.09 | Vasistha | tenco: funny, I've been using it with 2.6.18 ... it seems to give useful info for my kernel modules |
| 08:31.21 | markybob | tenco: you can name it whatever you'd like. for example, if it's a modem module, make a file called modem in modprobe.d |
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| 08:31.47 | militant | damn brb |
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| 08:31.55 | markybob | tenco: then alias /dev/tts/LT0 ltserial in it or whatever you want. then update-modules |
| 08:31.56 | tenco | markybob: ah. |
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| 08:33.36 | tenco | Vasistha: sorry. it's part of both module-init-tools and modutils. .oO(must but sbin in PATH...) |
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| 08:34.36 | roxy_ | upgrading bugzilla from sarge to etch I got this error: http://rafb.net/p/LseerA23.html . Could anyone help ? |
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| 08:34.58 | asdio | #flood |
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| 08:35.14 | militant | hark: hang on to that resolution if you got it, brb |
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| 08:36.36 | hark | militant: it should be 1280x720.. or take a look at the manual |
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| 08:37.12 | hark | for 16:9 anyway.. |
| 08:38.26 | hark | and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_resolutions |
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| 08:39.01 | roxy_ | it says: Could not execute `/etc/bugzilla/localconfig'! ; make sure permissions are ok. at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzilla/Config.pm line 161 |
| 08:39.15 | roxy_ | but /etc/bugzilla/localconfig is not an executable, it is a config file |
| 08:39.53 | markybob | and if you chmod +x /etc/bugzilla/localconfig does the error go away? |
| 08:40.20 | roxy_ | markybob: no, it just gives a lot of error |
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| 08:40.31 | markybob | roxy_: checked bts? |
| 08:40.42 | fengor | whats the first line of /etc/bugzilla/localconfig ? |
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| 08:40.44 | roxy_ | markybob: yes, could not find anything |
| 08:41.17 | roxy_ | fengor: $mysqlpath = "/usr/bin"; |
| 08:41.25 | roxy_ | fengor: first not comment line |
| 08:41.34 | b_jonas | hi. I'm running debian sarge on i686 with a custom-configured vanilla linux 2.6.17.1 kernel |
| 08:41.44 | fengor | i meant the very first line roxy |
| 08:41.52 | fengor | does it start with #! ? |
| 08:42.02 | roxy_ | fengor: # |
| 08:42.15 | roxy_ | fengor: no !/bin/bash after it |
| 08:42.33 | fengor | hmm |
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| 08:42.36 | roxy_ | fengor: let me try to add it |
| 08:42.42 | b_jonas | I'd like to upgrade to etch. |
| 08:42.52 | b_jonas | from the release notes, I think that kernel version is ok to use with etch |
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| 08:43.37 | b_jonas | but is there some kernel configuration setting I have to verify? |
| 08:43.45 | b_jonas | I don't know what this "udev" thing is |
| 08:43.54 | Whisper | i one of those ncurses app that lets you configure your ipnr.... |
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| 08:44.08 | liable | b_jonas: i think that kernel version was one that had the local root exploit last year.. :) |
| 08:45.00 | b_jonas | really? I can upgrade my kernel in that case... |
| 08:45.14 | liable | b_jonas: yup really. |
| 08:45.17 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:45.23 | tenzind_ | hi .. what gnome version does etch have?? |
| 08:45.37 | markybob | 2.14 |
| 08:45.38 | b_jonas | still, after I upgrade, is there some config option I have to turn on to be able to run etch? |
| 08:45.38 | roxy_ | fengor: no, it is not an executable (and not meant to be one) |
| 08:45.46 | Mazingaro | please my 4.0 installgui is blocked suring "Select and install software" |
| 08:45.56 | b_jonas | like I had to turn devfs on with gentoo and 2.4 kernels |
| 08:46.05 | b_jonas | I know I have to turn devfs off now, and it is off |
| 08:46.09 | Mazingaro | no net activity at all |
| 08:46.10 | liable | b_jonas: you need to not have devfs |
| 08:46.15 | h3sp4wn | tenzind_: there is a backport of 2.16 somewhere |
| 08:46.20 | Mazingaro | rebooting :( |
| 08:46.31 | liable | b_jonas: thats about it |
| 08:46.40 | markybob | b_jonas: etch uses udev |
| 08:46.40 | hark | nobse's one iirc |
| 08:46.48 | b_jonas | but what does udev mean? |
| 08:46.52 | liable | or just plain old dev |
| 08:46.52 | markybob | !udev |
| 08:46.52 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 08:48.09 | jd | Does anyone know if PartmanCrypto is fully functional in Etch? |
| 08:48.31 | markybob | jd etch installer does encrypted partitions... |
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| 08:48.58 | jd | via luks correct? |
| 08:49.17 | markybob | yes |
| 08:49.29 | jd | so it would provide a Pre-Boot authentication after install? |
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| 08:50.16 | markybob | jd i have /home encrypted with it and it asks me for my password on boot. however, i'm not sure if the installer can handle having / encrypted, if those are your intentions |
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| 08:51.38 | jd | yeah. That's the intention. |
| 08:52.13 | markybob | jd http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/428 |
| 08:52.28 | markybob | jd all but /boot seems doable |
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| 08:52.43 | jd | awesome!!! |
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| 08:54.29 | jd | and doing this wouldn't require kernel rebuilds because it's part of the base system. Would I be correct on that assumption? |
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| 08:54.52 | markybob | jd yes |
| 08:54.59 | markybob | jd correct |
| 08:55.17 | jd | Wow. You guys know your stuff. :) |
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| 08:55.36 | jd | thanks markybob! |
| 08:55.39 | markybob | np |
| 08:55.45 | Guerin | awright |
| 08:55.50 | artagnon | How does X in debian decide which WM to start? |
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| 08:56.38 | mehlng | how can I make ls to list only filenames w/o directory prefix |
| 08:57.01 | mehlng | ie ls /home would result "joe bob" and not "/home/jow /home/bob" |
| 08:57.08 | b_jonas | ok, I've downloaded the latest stable kernel |
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| 08:59.18 | Guerin | any ideas for a tool which can tell me cumulative month-to-date totals of all traffic in and out of my network, in total and by ip address? |
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| 08:59.50 | Guerin | something that just sucks up all the data and tells me when I ask, nothing which requires me to actually do anything beyond start a daemon |
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| 09:02.20 | GiabboO | hi all |
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| 09:03.39 | GiabboO | any of you is running OpenPBS ? |
| 09:04.15 | xand | !anyone |
| 09:04.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:04.31 | markybob | Guerin: i suppose you could just script awk/grep to get it from ifconfig and have that counter reset monthly via cron...the per ip thing's got me tied up, though |
| 09:04.39 | GiabboO | :) |
| 09:04.56 | liable | Guerin: have a hack at logwatch? |
| 09:05.02 | GiabboO | Ok I am getting this message in my OpenPBS logs: stdin: is not a tty |
| 09:05.13 | GiabboO | what this could be related to ? |
| 09:05.55 | tenco | markybob: ifconfig gives bandwith usage? |
| 09:06.07 | tenco | s/gives/gives info on/ |
| 09:06.07 | markybob | rx & tx |
| 09:06.17 | liable | yes, but it rolls over after a few gigs |
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| 09:06.33 | markybob | rolls over? i've never seen that |
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| 09:06.49 | liable | markybob: it does, i dont know the exact figure though |
| 09:06.52 | hark | iog does, not sure about ip addresses |
| 09:06.54 | tenco | hmm. eth1, up for a few hours, no rx/tx info |
| 09:07.04 | tenco | oh, no |
| 09:07.06 | tenco | sorry |
| 09:07.08 | hark | mehlng: dosen't it do that by default? |
| 09:07.35 | tenco | line wrapped and read like i had an interface named "ng" |
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| 09:08.26 | Guerin | iog looks good |
| 09:08.40 | markybob | i need a new programming task. i'm getting bored. this is when stupid shit happens like me making an evolution installer for windows |
| 09:08.40 | Guerin | the only thing I need of it is to break up the data by ip address |
| 09:08.55 | Guerin | markybob: make bandwidthd not be shit! |
| 09:09.04 | markybob | Guerin: :) |
| 09:09.43 | Guerin | the host I'll be running this on is openbsd, and they claim it can be done in pf |
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| 09:09.48 | Guerin | but I have yet to see how |
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| 09:10.47 | markybob | Guerin: how about this? http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=2073& |
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| 09:11.44 | markybob | Guerin: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/12/15/177232 looks good, too |
| 09:12.08 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 09:12.14 | shafire | hi |
| 09:12.21 | Guerin | i did set up something like this once on iptables |
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| 09:12.28 | shafire | where can i set the config for debian? |
| 09:12.31 | Guerin | but it was a dirty hack and only gave ballpark results |
| 09:12.36 | Guerin | shafire: in /etc |
| 09:12.40 | b_jonas | (rhetorical) why do kernel config options have to change in every kernel release? |
| 09:12.55 | shafire | Guerin, yeah but how can i change the language |
| 09:12.59 | Guerin | b_jonas: because |
| 09:12.59 | shafire | or set the timezone |
| 09:13.00 | shafire | .. |
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| 09:13.28 | Guerin | shafire: suggest you read the install guide and/or the debian reference |
| 09:13.51 | shafire | Guerin, i forgot all things... i am from archlinux |
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| 09:13.55 | markybob | or the first step of the installer...the big ass 1st blue screen that asks you what language you want |
| 09:14.33 | markybob | !de |
| 09:14.33 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 09:15.36 | tarzeau | markybob: hi :) |
| 09:15.46 | markybob | hey :) |
| 09:15.50 | shafire | !pl |
| 09:15.51 | dpkg | i heard pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 09:16.00 | tarzeau | does someone have a preseed.cfg that just works non-interactive with the etch netboot/netinstaller? |
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| 09:16.32 | liable | shafire: debian.pl for polish |
| 09:16.40 | Guerin | hm, ipfm might be the win |
| 09:16.42 | liable | duh |
| 09:16.50 | shafire | there is nobody |
| 09:16.52 | liable | i must be going blind |
| 09:17.04 | markybob | tarzeau: this was the example...not sure if it's what you want. http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/example-preseed.txt |
| 09:17.23 | tarzeau | markybob: thanks will try it |
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| 09:17.39 | liable | kinglsey deleted his silly debstats |
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| 09:18.09 | markybob | good. damn thing made me look bad ;) |
| 09:19.18 | qwertz | Hi, has anybody etch running on a hp proliant and uses ilo2 as remote console? I'm only able to see the bios boot messages through remote console but not the text output of debian although hp support told me that text output would be supported without any further licence - any hints? |
| 09:19.35 | hark | that one is still there ;) |
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| 09:19.56 | SR|Ultra | Bah, I'm still getting general protection faults from the kernel :( |
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| 09:20.59 | SR|Ultra | At the moment, running an fsck on the device backing my (ext3) /home partition is a "good" (as in, works every time but scares the crap out of me) way to reproduce this |
| 09:21.07 | scx | anyboy has any idea what can cause a lan device to suddently disapear while in use? |
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| 09:21.14 | SR|Ultra | this is with etch on amd64 |
| 09:22.16 | Mazingaro | please help, my 4.0 netinstall lockup during "Select and install software" phase... :( |
| 09:22.16 | rdz | good morning everyone. |
| 09:23.03 | hark | Guerin: hmm, ipfm dosen't show ip addresses.. does it? |
| 09:23.14 | scx | like /dev/modem desapearing while connected |
| 09:24.12 | Whisper | http://www.pastebin.ca/432543 |
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| 09:24.24 | Whisper | why wont this work for mw? |
| 09:24.26 | Whisper | me? |
| 09:24.27 | hark | ipband looks interesting.. |
| 09:24.36 | militant | hrrrm. none of these resolutions seems to be... *it*. |
| 09:24.36 | Guerin | hark: looks so to me: http://robert.cheramy.net/ipfm/ |
| 09:24.38 | militant | cheez. |
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| 09:25.20 | Mazingaro | this thing it's upsettingme |
| 09:25.26 | sep | hark, i log ip traffic using ipfm so yes it does |
| 09:25.42 | Whisper | http://www.pastebin.ca/432543 when i restart network i get that eth0 is missing some variables...why? |
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| 09:25.54 | rdz | i am trying to play back my backup. i didn't backup some dirs like /dev/ or /proc/ . now i cannot boot, because the devices are not created. then i tried from a livecd to mount the drive and then 'chroot'ing it. but when i 'cd /dev/ ; ./MAKEDEV', it complains about '/proc/devices' not being there. how can one create all the proc-files? |
| 09:26.06 | hark | sep: ah, nice |
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| 09:27.00 | xand | rdz: reinstall and replace backed up directories? :S |
| 09:27.53 | militant | eh. this monitor is making things complicated. it's widescreen 16:9... so i have to either use a standard 4:3 resolution and then stretch it horizontally, which kinda degrades sharpness/quality a bit... or use a 16:9 native, which makes things far too small to see comfortably |
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| 09:28.15 | sep | Whisper, is that the whole file ? verify that you dont have any eth0 earlier in the file. |
| 09:28.34 | Whisper | sep i dont... |
| 09:28.37 | Whisper | just lo |
| 09:29.18 | rdz | xand, what do you mean? |
| 09:29.20 | Whisper | sep got any idea what it can be? |
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| 09:32.00 | sep | Whisper, none i am afraid it works for me in that fashion |
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| 09:33.05 | Whisper | i found problem |
| 09:33.06 | Whisper | thanks |
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| 09:37.04 | jelly-home | militant: not to mention your pixels aren't square |
| 09:37.24 | militant | jelly-home: eh? |
| 09:37.29 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 09:37.42 | scx | how the network interfaces are determinated ? |
| 09:38.05 | scx | i.: what sets eth0 and ppp0 etc |
| 09:38.06 | jelly-home | militant: if you stretch a 4:3 res |
| 09:38.54 | markybob | scx: the driver. if you want you can change it |
| 09:39.00 | markybob | scx: ifrename |
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| 09:39.26 | scx | markybob: ah! thanks |
| 09:39.34 | militant | jelly-home: oh, k. any suggestions for a 16:9 that won't blind me? |
| 09:39.46 | jelly-home | militant: 1280x720? |
| 09:40.10 | militant | i used that. though i guess i didn't then adjust the monitor for horizontal |
| 09:40.53 | jelly-home | militant: might be too large for a 24" though, depending on how far you are |
| 09:41.29 | fireba11 | militant: ? it's a LCD anyway .. always use native resolution ? |
| 09:41.35 | militant | well i vary. i sit at my desk which puts me only maybe 20 inches away... then i take the keyboard to bed which puts me 3 or 4 feet away |
| 09:41.41 | hark | it's a crt |
| 09:41.46 | militant | fireba11: it's not an lcd. it's a sony trinitron crt |
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| 09:42.00 | hark | militant: not better than your 1280x1024 earlier? |
| 09:42.00 | fireba11 | militant: oh .. crt widescreen are pretty rare though :-) |
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| 09:42.25 | militant | fireba11: yes, and expensive. paid 2500 for it new, 3 years ago |
| 09:42.37 | hark | and huge |
| 09:42.41 | troubled | simonrvn: *slap* |
| 09:42.43 | militant | huge? 94 pounds. |
| 09:42.44 | militant | yeah |
| 09:42.45 | militant | huge. |
| 09:42.59 | earthian | hey |
| 09:43.07 | earthian | what could be wrong with the nvidia driver? |
| 09:43.08 | earthian | ./Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9755-pkg2.run: line 759: ./nvidia-installer: No such file or directory |
| 09:43.18 | Guerin | it's shit |
| 09:43.24 | Guerin | that's the major problem with it |
| 09:43.24 | militant | hark: 1280x720? i'm gonna try it again, and actually adjust the monitor |
| 09:44.00 | praecox | hey guys |
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| 09:44.14 | sep | !nvidia |
| 09:44.14 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is Ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a fast answer on 'how to install the Nvidia drivers'; for a long guide - see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 09:44.32 | praecox | anyone got a clue why when I change root= to sda1 in grub's menu.lst and do update-grub it changes my root to sdb1? |
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| 09:45.01 | sep | praecox, becouse you have failed to read the comments in menu.lst |
| 09:45.13 | scx | what if I just want to alias ppp0 to modem0 ? |
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| 09:46.48 | praecox | sep, oh, right. |
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| 09:51.36 | militant | k brb tryin 1280x720 again |
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| 09:53.45 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.58 | streuner_ | status: finishing in 1:18:50 (96.6%) |
| 09:54.45 | byon | list |
| 09:55.13 | Ronin | byon: you need my grocery list? |
| 09:55.21 | earthian | how come that nvidia-glx in debian etch is version 1.0.8776 that does not even support geforce8800 ? :( |
| 09:55.22 | byon | nah. |
| 09:55.24 | byon | (: |
| 09:55.34 | hark | !list |
| 09:55.34 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to hark |
| 09:55.42 | byon | !dpkg |
| 09:55.42 | streuner_ | Who else seeds etch isos here? |
| 09:55.42 | dpkg | dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files). |
| 09:55.47 | bzed|afk | !tell earthian about nvidia_experimental |
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| 09:56.19 | bzed|afk | earthian: because nvidia sucks for closed source drivers. |
| 09:56.19 | xjkx | does debian has this prefetcher memory thing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefetcher |
| 09:56.19 | earthian | ati sux too :( |
| 09:56.31 | earthian | so whats the point that i swithched to nvidia? :/ |
| 09:56.32 | earthian | damn |
| 09:56.35 | bzed|afk | ati sucks more :P they don;t manage to get a serious driver out at all |
| 09:56.39 | hark | not all of them, they have free drivers for many cards |
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| 09:56.53 | hark | s/many/some ;) |
| 09:57.01 | bzed|afk | hark: which was completely NOT written by ati |
| 09:57.11 | bzed|afk | the DRI driver works just great |
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| 09:57.25 | bzed|afk | and is way better than any driver from ati, but it doesn;t support all cards |
| 09:57.49 | spikeb | yeah the free driver for ati cards is pretty good. |
| 09:57.52 | earthian | kk |
| 09:57.54 | spikeb | especially in comparison |
| 09:58.02 | DavidProck1981 | hay all is it normal for windows Xp to be able to make a 19.5GB partition of Fat32, OR did i miss read the max partition size for fat32 |
| 09:58.08 | militant | ok 1280x720 when stretched looks just fine ... i think. not quite as crisp as unstretched. |
| 09:58.14 | mortal | my xorg is all broken in sid :| |
| 09:58.23 | mortal | xterm is all weird |
| 09:58.46 | bzed|afk | DavidProck1981: I think the max aprtition size for fat32 is much higher than that, but it's limited by microsoft for *we want to sell ntfs* reasons |
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| 10:00.07 | DavidProck1981 | so they knew they was going to make ntfs before they was finished with fat32 |
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| 10:01.17 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 10:01.33 | hark | damn ssh.. |
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| 10:01.47 | Hal9000 | hello |
| 10:01.55 | hark | bzed|afk: they did provide specs at least to the devs |
| 10:01.57 | Hal9000 | how can i find out what driver my ethernet controller is using? |
| 10:02.12 | militant | ehm, everything else works with enlightenment, for restarting at login n such. but not firefox. |
| 10:02.40 | jelly-home | !which driver |
| 10:02.41 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 10:02.53 | bzed|afk | hark: for the dri driver? afaik it's completely reverse-engineered. not sure though |
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| 10:03.03 | hark | Hal9000: basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module` |
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| 10:03.17 | hark | Hal9000: where eth0 is your card |
| 10:03.44 | Hal9000 | basename: too few arguments |
| 10:03.49 | liable | thats a bit nifty hark |
| 10:04.04 | hark | bzed|afk: no they made them sign NDA's and all. For the r200 at least yes |
| 10:04.17 | troubled | DavidProck1981: im pretty sure ntfs was in use in nt 3.51+ at the same time win95 osr2 was out |
| 10:04.55 | troubled | DavidProck1981: more likely they planned to drop fat32 soon as ntfs/nt took off |
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| 10:05.07 | jaaroo | is it somehow possible to force ssh not to check fingerprint? I'd like to have some ssh remote scripting where any human interaction (typing yes for example) is impossible. |
| 10:05.23 | hark | liable: yeah, /sys/ is fun ;) |
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| 10:05.57 | jelly-home | jaaroo: preload the keys into .ssh/known_hosts ? |
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| 10:06.37 | tarzeau | Hal9000: sid 2.6.20? |
| 10:06.48 | tenco | i don't get it. sound still doesnt work and i tried all things that worked before |
| 10:07.01 | tenco | trying to start alsamixer gives that error: |
| 10:07.01 | troubled | tarzeau! |
| 10:07.10 | liable | erm, did he type basename? |
| 10:07.11 | tenco | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 10:07.12 | tarzeau | troubled: hey! :) |
| 10:07.16 | troubled | heya :) |
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| 10:07.23 | hark | bzed|afk: from wikipedia "Initially, ATI did not produce Radeon drivers for Linux, instead giving hardware specifications and documentation to Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) developers under various non-disclosure agreements." |
| 10:07.30 | liable | i just did the readlink bit |
| 10:07.33 | Hal9000 | tarzeau: running 2.6.14 at the moment, configuring 2.6.20.6 and need to know if i picked the right driver before loading the kernel :P |
| 10:07.40 | jaaroo | jelly-home: well I expect no straightforward option for bypassigng this check exists or I haven't found any yet. |
| 10:08.00 | hark | liable: got it from a script, helpful when compiling your own kernel |
| 10:08.23 | tenco | i need to know which kernel got a working snd-hda-intel :-\ |
| 10:08.52 | liable | hark: yeah, tis nice, never used readlink either. |
| 10:08.58 | jelly-home | jaaroo: that's my understanding too, which is why I suggested to preload all the host keys into .ssh/known_hosts before using the script, if possible |
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| 10:09.36 | tenzind | hi .. if i kill the screen process, will the programs running in screen also get killed? |
| 10:09.41 | tarzeau | when comes lenny? |
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| 10:09.48 | tarzeau | tenzind: yes |
| 10:09.53 | jaaroo | jelly-home: problem is that: 1) addresses will vary, 2) I don't know if I can detect the fingerprints in advance. |
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| 10:10.06 | liable | jaaroo: debian-administration.org has an article about using a script to ssh in |
| 10:10.17 | jvm | hi. since i updated my debian system opera doesn't work anymore, it crashes with a "segmentation fault". what can i do? |
| 10:10.36 | liable | jaaroo: you can tell ssh to not warn about fingerprints |
| 10:10.38 | jelly-home | jaaroo: then it's digging the source I guess, or using some horrible expect hack |
| 10:10.40 | spikeb | jvm, update opera |
| 10:10.44 | jelly-home | liable: how? |
| 10:10.57 | jvm | spikeb: its already the newest version |
| 10:11.03 | spikeb | bah |
| 10:11.11 | liable | jelly-home: the client its just changing the warn level |
| 10:11.11 | spikeb | jvm, i knew that would be too easy. |
| 10:11.27 | jvm | :) |
| 10:12.04 | jelly-home | jvm: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ |
| 10:12.52 | liable | jelly-home: strictkeyhostchecking i think |
| 10:13.16 | tenzind | tarzeau: because of my unreliable connection, my ssh got disconnected from a remote server and when i reconnect now ... who still shows my previous connections are active .. i was using screen on the remote server |
| 10:13.31 | jaaroo | liable: not to warn means to accept uknown ones? |
| 10:13.37 | jelly-home | liable: man page wording suggests that one only enforces the check if enabled, not the other way round |
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| 10:13.56 | liable | jelly-home: i think its default, and you can turn it off. |
| 10:14.00 | jaaroo | liable: i'd expect it just silently drops such fingerprints. |
| 10:14.09 | jvm | jelly-home: thank you. |
| 10:15.00 | DavidProck1981 | Ok here is a crazy thing that has happend to me, i finally figure out why, but i dont know hte reason for it, ...... |
| 10:15.13 | jelly-home | liable: ahh, I see it now. There's yes, no, and ask options, "ask" being default, "no" being accept everything automatically |
| 10:15.33 | DavidProck1981 | At first i thought it was another problem from my ati card but it is not, I have a Saitek KeyBoard & Hand Held GamePad, Both use USB Ports, But when the GamePad is pluged in The GUI of the debian installer will lock up as soon as it starts |
| 10:15.53 | jelly-home | liable, jaaroo: fwiw, it's StrictHostKeyChecking |
| 10:16.34 | DavidProck1981 | anyone have any idea about that |
| 10:16.40 | liable | jelly-home: yeah, i am a lazy typer, and it appears i have it wrong, but i am pretty damn sure its doable somehow |
| 10:17.26 | mortal | does anyone else have problems with the new xorg in sid? |
| 10:17.44 | liable | ohno, i am right :) |
| 10:17.47 | DavidProck1981 | if u unplug the GamePad the GUI Debian installer will work just fine |
| 10:17.59 | jaaroo | I think that with the knowledge of target host key (which I'll try to obtain) I could do. |
| 10:18.00 | liable | i read the man page wrong ;) |
| 10:18.00 | hark | mortal: 7.2 is in sid? |
| 10:18.02 | jelly-home | mortal: it's sid, problems are expected and welcomed! |
| 10:18.15 | jaaroo | liable, jelly-home: thanks for "brainstorming" |
| 10:18.30 | hark | sid has been getting quite lazy for a while now |
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| 10:19.46 | hark | mortal: otherwise it's the same ol xorg which has been there for quite some time |
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| 10:20.17 | Hal9000 | ? paste |
| 10:20.46 | hark | Hal9000: what? |
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| 10:21.26 | yess_ | Hello. I (accidentally?) selected all the packages to install in aptitude. How can I revert that? |
| 10:21.49 | Hal9000 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6021 <- i get this error when compiling the kernel (make-kpkg kernel_image) any ideas what is wrong? |
| 10:22.43 | jelly-home | Hal9000: that's funny. Disk full? |
| 10:22.58 | Hal9000 | jelly-home: nope :( |
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| 10:24.00 | Hal9000 | perhaps im missing some packages for bzImage or somthing= |
| 10:24.02 | jelly-home | Hal9000: never seen it before. can you try make V=1 to see which command is failing |
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| 10:24.06 | hark | yess_: quit? q |
| 10:24.09 | Hal9000 | i installed kernel-package |
| 10:24.20 | Hal9000 | ok |
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| 10:24.30 | yess_ | hark: Nope. Aptitude stores list of selected package. |
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| 10:25.59 | Hal9000 | jelly-home: here you go, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 10:26.04 | Hal9000 | ups sorrry |
| 10:26.09 | Hal9000 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6022 |
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| 10:26.26 | liable | goddamn laggy ssh connection |
| 10:26.31 | hark | there's a forget or undo option.. ctrl + u or something.. |
| 10:26.37 | bartden | hi, how can i select new fonts in X? |
| 10:26.52 | yess_ | Error 153 is which signal? |
| 10:26.57 | bartden | i need to add a name to xterm but dunno where to fnd the available fonts |
| 10:26.59 | liable | i need two ssh screen sessions open to keep irssi alive... |
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| 10:27.21 | hark | that sucks.. |
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| 10:28.10 | liable | hark: shitty hotel wifi, i got a ubiquiti and a 7db antenna just to get it ;) |
| 10:28.15 | hark | xfontsel? |
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| 10:28.33 | jelly-home | 153 - 128 = 25 |
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| 10:29.00 | hark | !153-128 |
| 10:29.01 | dpkg | 25 |
| 10:29.06 | jelly-home | yess_, Hal9000: SIGXFSZ in i386 |
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| 10:29.14 | liable | lazy! |
| 10:29.18 | jelly-home | "file size exceeded" |
| 10:29.20 | Hal9000 | uh? |
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| 10:29.39 | liable | i gotta get food and more beer.. |
| 10:29.46 | hark | !9999999999999999*9999999999999999 |
| 10:29.46 | Hal9000 | jelly-home: what do you mean |
| 10:29.46 | dpkg | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 10:29.53 | hark | heh |
| 10:29.53 | liable | hah |
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| 10:30.06 | DavidProck1981 | !999-333 |
| 10:30.06 | dpkg | 666 |
| 10:30.06 | liable | !moo |
| 10:30.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 10:30.22 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 10:30.22 | jelly-home | Hal9000: objcopy tried to create a larger file than your current limits allow |
| 10:30.30 | jelly-home | !2/0 |
| 10:30.34 | hark | aptitude -v moo too. and -vv, -vvv ... |
| 10:30.49 | liable | aptitudes one is a bit weak |
| 10:31.37 | DavidProck1981 | !8^2 |
| 10:31.37 | liable | after the big build up :) |
| 10:31.37 | dpkg | 10 |
| 10:31.38 | DavidProck1981 | !2^8 |
| 10:31.38 | dpkg | 10 |
| 10:31.38 | hark | yeah, it dosen't have super cow powers that's why |
| 10:31.39 | jelly-home | DavidProck1981: binary XOR! |
| 10:31.39 | Hal9000 | jelly-home: so how do i raise the limit then |
| 10:31.39 | liable | DavidProck1981: please buy a calculater :P |
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| 10:31.45 | DavidProck1981 | lol 256 |
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| 10:31.52 | webmind | good day |
| 10:32.06 | webmind | congrats with etch, I'll sadly have to miss the release party |
| 10:32.12 | jelly-home | Hal9000: what does "ulimit -f" say? |
| 10:32.26 | webmind | I had a question though, how come quite many packages want access to /dev/mem ? |
| 10:32.27 | Hal9000 | unlimited |
| 10:32.28 | teclo- | Hi there, is there a website with screenshots of the various graphical environments (KDE, Gnome, xfce, fluxbox) that are available for Debian GNU/Linux ? This is to show to some fellows who would like to choose their GUI.... |
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| 10:33.41 | hark | xwinman.org .. same for all distros |
| 10:33.54 | Hal9000 | jelly-home: unlimited |
| 10:34.26 | webmind | teclo-, that's actuallt quite a lot with all the themes going arround |
| 10:34.31 | jelly-home | Hal9000: something's gone wrong with the compilation or with your objcopy then, no idea |
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| 10:35.03 | jelly-home | Hal9000: ulimit -f would have shown if you had (accidentally?) set up some limits |
| 10:35.20 | webmind | teclo-, but I do think most wm's have some screenshots on their website |
| 10:35.36 | webmind | teclo-, freshmeat might aswell |
| 10:36.00 | Hal9000 | oh well... |
| 10:36.11 | Hal9000 | i guess ill give up and retry later :P |
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| 10:37.30 | scx | hal remembers me Malcom in the middle |
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| 10:41.30 | Mazingaro | doing basic installation of 4.0 :) on an old unstable :) |
| 10:41.47 | Mazingaro | with lvm encrypted fs |
| 10:42.25 | teclo- | webmind: yeah but what would be great is like, one page, with screenshots of all WMs that are available for Debian |
| 10:42.29 | teclo- | and there are dozens :P |
| 10:43.09 | chronographer | hi all. Im having trouble with a program... its called doodled, its a desktop search program, I dont like it and want to remove it but when i go apt-get remove doodled it says errors were envountered. I ignored it for a while, but now i moved home to a new partition and doodled is using all my cpu to index it.. it sucks and i wand it killed. |
| 10:43.26 | Guerin | teclo-: you mean like xwinman.org? |
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| 10:44.17 | chronographer | any ideas? |
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| 10:44.55 | Mazingaro | chronographer: killall doodled |
| 10:45.10 | Mazingaro | chronographer: from root |
| 10:45.30 | chronographer | "action "stop" failed" |
| 10:45.44 | chronographer | when i go apt-get remove after killall doodled |
| 10:45.54 | yess_ | Ok. I selected thousands of packages, because I clicked + on uninstalled group in aptitude. : helped. |
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| 10:46.18 | yess_ | +=-: etc. work not only on individual packages, but also on groups. Thing to remember. |
| 10:47.24 | chronographer | so is there a stronger way to remove it than apt-get remove doodled? |
| 10:47.36 | simonrvn | --purge for one thing |
| 10:47.49 | chronographer | is it safe enough?? =) |
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| 10:47.56 | zapalotta | hello |
| 10:48.16 | zapalotta | I updated my sarge to etch which worked almost flawlessly, only ont thing: |
| 10:48.21 | simonrvn | ... you want it goe, right? |
| 10:48.24 | chronographer | can i go 'apt-get --purge doodled' ??? |
| 10:48.26 | zapalotta | W: Conflicting distribution: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org etch-proposed-updates Release (expected etch-proposed-updates but got proposed-updates) |
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| 10:48.43 | zapalotta | what does that mean? The server does have etch-proposed-updates in dists |
| 10:48.44 | chronographer | yes kiill the silly thing |
| 10:48.53 | simonrvn | you still need remove in there, and read the man page already |
| 10:49.05 | troubled | !lart simonrvn |
| 10:49.08 | chronographer | ok ok |
| 10:49.29 | simonrvn | zapalotta: wtf do you have that in sources.list? |
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| 10:50.01 | simonrvn | zapalotta: take it out |
| 10:50.16 | zapalotta | simonrvn: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch-proposed-updates main |
| 10:50.27 | zapalotta | was sarge-proposed-updates before |
| 10:50.27 | simonrvn | REMOVE it |
| 10:50.30 | zapalotta | oki |
| 10:51.00 | simonrvn | !lart troubled |
| 10:51.11 | troubled | simonrvn :p |
| 10:51.16 | troubled | sup |
| 10:51.25 | tarzeau | tenzind: but then screen is still running, no? |
| 10:51.27 | simonrvn | too much |
| 10:51.34 | troubled | i know the feeling :) |
| 10:51.35 | zapalotta | that worked, simonrvn, thx |
| 10:51.47 | simonrvn | np |
| 10:51.58 | troubled | simonrvn: i noticed the release. about time :) |
| 10:52.11 | simonrvn | was yesterday ;) |
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| 10:52.39 | troubled | wasnt it on the 8th? |
| 10:52.57 | fireba11 | depends |
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| 10:53.04 | troubled | on timezone? :) |
| 10:53.13 | fireba11 | yes :-) |
| 10:53.22 | troubled | ah, touche then |
| 10:53.56 | simonrvn | well, i heard about it yesterday |
| 10:54.34 | troubled | well, s/e// ;) |
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| 10:56.04 | fireba11 | switched a couple sources.list from stable to sarge so i don't accidently upgrade :-D |
| 10:56.31 | simonrvn | i did a :%s,sarge,etch,g ;p |
| 10:56.51 | fireba11 | simonrvn : hu ? |
| 10:57.05 | simonrvn | vim search/replace |
| 10:57.22 | fireba11 | ah |
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| 11:00.12 | fireba11 | simonrvn: got a couple servers here .. will upgrade one at a time :-) |
| 11:00.22 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 11:03.49 | troubled | simonrvn: your such showoff :p |
| 11:04.17 | troubled | i heard they switched the default vim too in etch among other things |
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| 11:04.35 | leehambley | wow, etch is released! |
| 11:04.36 | jelly-home | default vim? |
| 11:05.03 | troubled | well, which vim is installed |
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| 11:05.34 | troubled | unless they removed the old one completly which i doubt |
| 11:05.53 | zoghome | anyone here using 3ware SATA RAID1? |
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| 11:06.03 | troubled | same with inetd, openbsd now for example |
| 11:06.30 | jelly-home | oh, I didn't know there were forks/branches of vim |
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| 11:07.55 | troubled | jelly-home: sorry, vi not vim |
| 11:08.01 | DavidProck1981 | !333+333 |
| 11:08.01 | dpkg | 666 |
| 11:08.23 | troubled | "The vi clone installed by default is now a compact version of vim (vim-tiny) instead of nvi." |
| 11:08.23 | jelly-home | !tell DavidProck1981 about msg the bot |
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| 11:09.23 | Mazingaro | !etch |
| 11:09.23 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 11:09.49 | tenco | i am trying to get this soundcard working for 6h now |
| 11:10.01 | jelly-home | bah, debian always has old packages, when will lenny release? |
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| 11:10.19 | stew | wir |
| 11:10.25 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 11:10.37 | tenco | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 11:10.55 | stew | tenco: have you run alsaconf? |
| 11:11.01 | tenco | stew: yes |
| 11:11.07 | stew | tenco: did it detect your card? |
| 11:11.13 | tenco | stew: yes |
| 11:11.39 | stew | tenco: do you know which driver you are using? |
| 11:11.45 | tenco | stew: yes :) |
| 11:11.51 | stew | tenco: which? |
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| 11:11.57 | tenco | stew: snd-hda-intel |
| 11:12.00 | timewriter | hi |
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| 11:12.22 | stew | tenco: are you using udev? |
| 11:12.24 | timewriter | for installing debian 4.0 , is necesarry to get those 3 dvd`s ? |
| 11:12.30 | tarzeau | timewriter: no |
| 11:12.31 | timewriter | or the first one would be enough |
| 11:12.35 | tarzeau | timewriter: yes |
| 11:12.38 | timewriter | thank you |
| 11:12.51 | timewriter | whats the kernel version of it ? |
| 11:12.53 | fireba11 | timewriter: you could also use the netinstall 150-mb image :-D |
| 11:12.55 | tenco | stew: udev mounted on /dev |
| 11:12.58 | stew | tenco: 2.6.18-4 |
| 11:13.05 | stew | timewriter: ^^^ |
| 11:13.09 | stew | tenco: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 11:13.17 | timewriter | fireba11 i might do that but my connection is 2 mmps only |
| 11:13.19 | timewriter | mb* |
| 11:13.27 | timewriter | stew i didnt install it |
| 11:13.28 | tenco | stew: at the moment: 2.6.20.3 |
| 11:13.34 | etnt | Where can I find an emacs22 package? |
| 11:13.37 | timewriter | i just wanted to know , coz my hardware is a little problematic |
| 11:13.39 | tenco | stew: but i tried with etch kernel, too |
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| 11:13.44 | timewriter | this jmicron is bothering me |
| 11:14.17 | stew | tenco: does /dev/snd/controlC0 exist? |
| 11:14.23 | tenco | stew: jep |
| 11:14.28 | timewriter | thanks guys |
| 11:14.30 | timewriter | im out |
| 11:14.30 | timewriter | peace |
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| 11:15.05 | stew | tenco: any odd messages in dmesg when you "modprobe -r snd-hda-intel ; modprobe snd-hda-intel" ? |
| 11:15.19 | Mazingaro | tenco: luigi? |
| 11:15.23 | chronographer | hi all still having trouble removing doodled when i go apt-get --purge remove doodled i still get: Stopping doodle daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript doodled, action "stop" failed. |
| 11:15.26 | tenco | Mazingaro: no |
| 11:15.42 | chronographer | what can i do to remove it? |
| 11:16.02 | tenco | PM: Adding info for No Bus:pcmC0D6p |
| 11:16.02 | tenco | PM: Adding info for No Bus:pcmC0D6c |
| 11:16.02 | tenco | PM: Adding info for No Bus:controlC0 |
| 11:16.02 | tenco | PM: Adding info for No Bus:mixer |
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| 11:16.18 | tenco | damn |
| 11:16.20 | tenco | sorry |
| 11:16.44 | tenco | wanted to msg that |
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| 11:16.45 | troubled | tenco: dont worry, your not the first to do that :) |
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| 11:18.07 | Mazingaro | luigi tenco |
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| 11:19.02 | tenco | Mazingaro: what's up? |
| 11:19.31 | Kerr | Are there any 'aida 32' alike system info/benchmarking tools for debian? |
| 11:19.31 | Mazingaro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Tenco |
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| 11:21.56 | tenco | Mazingaro: heh. no, that's not me :) |
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| 11:27.12 | Mazingaro | tenco: you're covering it! |
| 11:27.30 | Mazingaro | tenco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Tenco is you, tell us the truth |
| 11:27.35 | chronographer | Stopping doodle daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript doodled, action "stop" failed. how can i make this stop??? |
| 11:27.45 | chronographer | please i am at my wits end... |
| 11:27.56 | Mazingaro | chronographer: ps ax | grep doodled |
| 11:28.13 | liable | chronographer: pkill doodled |
| 11:28.31 | tenco | :) |
| 11:28.34 | Mazingaro | liable: maybe is not running at all |
| 11:28.56 | chronographer | there are 5 instances in grep |
| 11:29.04 | tenco | well, that suicide was faked, ya know? XD |
| 11:29.06 | liable | Mazingaro: the script should return that (most sane ones do) |
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| 11:29.24 | liable | chronographer: kill -6 the pids |
| 11:29.46 | liable | chronographer: though it sounds like you have something funky going on if theres a few of em |
| 11:29.46 | Mazingaro | liable: ps ax | grep dood |
| 11:29.54 | liable | are the +D? |
| 11:29.54 | Mazingaro | liable: just to see its pid |
| 11:30.05 | liable | Mazingaro: tell chronographer |
| 11:30.08 | tenco | Mazingaro: pgrep dood |
| 11:30.19 | hatter | oops. etch is now stable. what do i put in the sources.list to stay with sarge ? (do i just put sarge where the stable is ?) |
| 11:30.28 | liable | yes |
| 11:30.30 | Mazingaro | tenco: you're a zombie! Shut up! |
| 11:30.32 | Mazingaro | :) |
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| 11:30.59 | tenco | a zombie with a dysfunctional kernel |
| 11:31.15 | Mazingaro | tenco: maybe after the gunshoot |
| 11:31.24 | enyc | Does anybody know about terminfo vs. termcap... I have a need to run a program that needs /etc/termcap instead of terminfo database... |
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| 11:31.31 | hatter | liable: was your yes to me ? |
| 11:31.40 | Mazingaro | tenco: some modules may skew... |
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| 11:31.53 | chronographer | i still get the same mesage when i go apt-get remove |
| 11:31.54 | CharminTheMoose | Question: My fonts in this gtkgl program I compiled don't appear. ie. it's a bunch of black blocks where the text should be. how do I fix this? |
| 11:32.00 | liable | hatter: ya |
| 11:32.09 | hatter | liable: thx |
| 11:32.26 | liable | chronographer: you need to kill all instances of it |
| 11:32.29 | chronographer | 9845 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep doodled |
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| 11:32.31 | hatter | i damn well just did an apt-get update and upgrade and nearly removed the kernel |
| 11:32.40 | chronographer | is this an instance of it?? ( i dont think it is...) |
| 11:32.46 | liable | no |
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| 11:33.03 | liable | chronographer: that message is? |
| 11:33.10 | chronographer | that is all that comes up withe grep doodled |
| 11:33.24 | Mazingaro | chronographer: no, it's only the ps program |
| 11:33.29 | chronographer | yes |
| 11:33.43 | chronographer | so what else can i do to stop the processes? |
| 11:33.48 | liable | whats the dpkg error |
| 11:33.56 | Mazingaro | chronographer: there's no doodled process anymore |
| 11:33.59 | chronographer | Stopping doodle daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript doodled, action "stop" failed |
| 11:34.01 | chronographer | ok |
| 11:34.41 | chronographer | this is why it stops... exit status 1 |
| 11:34.50 | CharminTheMoose | Question: My fonts in this gtkgl program I compiled don't appear. ie. it's a bunch of black blocks where the text should be. how do I fix this? |
| 11:34.55 | hark | enyc: i think terminfo is used instead in Debian |
| 11:34.57 | liable | remove the -e from the script |
| 11:35.01 | Mazingaro | dpkg --purge doodled |
| 11:35.02 | stew | chronographer: you can short circuit the /etc/init.d/doodled script by adding "exit 0" as the first line of the script |
| 11:35.09 | tenco | Mazingaro: since 2.6.20 kernels i had no issues using that module. some 2.6.20+ kernels work, some not. strangely, debians 2.6.18 doesnt work, too |
| 11:35.12 | chronographer | and when i run apt-get remove doodled a process starts up again |
| 11:35.29 | tenco | s/since/till |
| 11:35.30 | chronographer | ok... i do that by gedit /etc/init.d/doodled ?? |
| 11:35.31 | Mazingaro | tenco: amd64? |
| 11:35.33 | enyc | hark: I see... so ca n I genearte a termcap file from the terminfo database? |
| 11:35.39 | tenco | Mazingaro: no, i386 |
| 11:35.48 | Mazingaro | tenco: I've got 2.6.18 too |
| 11:35.52 | tenco | Mazingaro: s/since/till/ |
| 11:35.57 | liable | debian uses invoke-rc.d in its pre-rm? |
| 11:35.58 | Mazingaro | chronographer: don't touch /etc/init.d scripts |
| 11:36.05 | hatter | hmmm :- getting this error : Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 11:36.14 | chronographer | oh ... |
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| 11:36.26 | Mazingaro | chronographer: use update-rc.d |
| 11:36.27 | stew | Mazingaro: why not? |
| 11:36.32 | liable | Mazingaro: why? |
| 11:36.38 | stew | Mazingaro: what is the point of using update-rc.d? |
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| 11:36.44 | hark | enyc: don't know, is it an old program? |
| 11:36.49 | enyc | hark: yes |
| 11:36.51 | Mazingaro | stew: remove it from rcs |
| 11:37.05 | chronographer | so... what should i do? |
| 11:37.06 | tenco | brb |
| 11:37.14 | stew | Mazingaro: that won't affect his problem. it will still fail when prerm calls invoke-rc.d |
| 11:37.15 | chronographer | edit /etc.../doodled |
| 11:37.38 | Mazingaro | liable: because many times apt-get or dpkg won't rewrite the correct config files after an upgrade or installation |
| 11:37.59 | stew | Mazingaro: he's trying to purge the package, so the init.d script that he is going to edit will be reomved anyway |
| 11:38.07 | chronographer | dpkg wont behave differently that apt will it... |
| 11:38.10 | Mazingaro | stew: if purged |
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| 11:38.39 | Mazingaro | stew: dpkg --purge |
| 11:38.41 | stew | chronographer: add "exit 0" as the first line of the script, then aptitude purge doodled |
| 11:38.50 | liable | erm, init scripts arent config files anyway (irt dpkg afaik) |
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| 11:38.54 | chronographer | the very first line... after comments? |
| 11:39.03 | Mazingaro | liable: I mean configs and scripts too |
| 11:39.04 | stew | chronographer: right after #!/bin/sh |
| 11:39.14 | chronographer | k |
| 11:39.26 | liable | Mazingaro: editing that script will be fine |
| 11:39.48 | Mazingaro | liable: that's a contribution to system entropy |
| 11:39.48 | liable | Mazingaro: unless you want to walk him through editing the prerm |
| 11:39.48 | chronographer | no apt-get remove --purge doodled |
| 11:39.57 | chronographer | now ? |
| 11:40.01 | liable | in that case, i will gladly watch |
| 11:40.13 | stew | chronographer: yes |
| 11:40.15 | Kerr | Are there any 'aida 32' alike system info/benchmarking tools for debian? - for seeing info on the hdds, cpu, ram, motherboard, etc? |
| 11:40.23 | Mazingaro | dpkg --purge doodled |
| 11:40.29 | chronographer | that was painless |
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| 11:40.48 | hark | enyc: there's a termcap-compat package for such cases, iirc ... or used to be |
| 11:40.49 | Mazingaro | chronographer: have you got prelink? |
| 11:40.51 | liable | Mazingaro: why would it work with dpkg, but not apt?? without editing the script? |
| 11:40.58 | chronographer | i don't know what a prelink is |
| 11:41.07 | chronographer | it worked |
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| 11:41.13 | chronographer | thanks a bunch. |
| 11:41.18 | enouf | Kerr: hwinfo, dmidecode, lshw, etc |
| 11:41.20 | Mazingaro | liable: I use apt for network upgrade and install |
| 11:41.27 | chronographer | apt needed stew's dangerous advice |
| 11:41.31 | Kerr | enouf: thanks :) |
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| 11:41.36 | tenco | heh |
| 11:41.44 | enouf | Kerr: they're not GUI like aida, but they serve their purpose |
| 11:41.46 | basantashrestha | I have been using etch for last 2 months and have been doing apt-get update and apt-get install from time to time. since it has become stable shall I apt-get dist-upgrade or just apt-get update ? |
| 11:41.51 | tenco | can play ogg's as root ^^ |
| 11:41.57 | Mazingaro | tenco: 2.6.18-4-k7 and 486 here, no probs at all |
| 11:42.16 | tenco | can only play as root, crap |
| 11:42.32 | enyc | hark: Ive discoverethe that much... and Im having trouble with packages.debian.org ;-) |
| 11:42.37 | liable | tenco: add your user to 'audio' group |
| 11:42.42 | enouf | Kerr: theree's an lm_sensors script IIRC .called decode-dimms.pl that can likely give you mucho info about your RAM |
| 11:42.43 | chronographer | mazingaro: what is prelink |
| 11:42.56 | liable | tenco: then relogin |
| 11:43.13 | Mazingaro | chronographer: prelinking could speedup your system in loading programs |
| 11:43.35 | hark | enyc: heh, i can't find it on sid fwiw, should be same for etch as well |
| 11:43.36 | Mazingaro | chronographer: library would linked directly to the application before loading time |
| 11:43.59 | chronographer | ok. its pretty fast already.. don't really want to fiddle with too many things |
| 11:44.35 | Mazingaro | chronographer: it could be annoying during package installation, because prelink needs to find out which library link to the package itself |
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| 11:44.38 | hark | !info termcap-compat sarge |
| 11:44.43 | dpkg | termcap-compat: (Compatibility package for old termcap-based programs.), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 1.2.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 651 kB |
| 11:44.46 | hark | enyc: ^ |
| 11:44.51 | tenco | lol |
| 11:44.57 | chronographer | one stupid question, now etch is 'stable' there is completely no difference to ppl like me who have used it for a while right??? |
| 11:45.00 | tenco | that's pebkac |
| 11:45.14 | Mazingaro | chronographer: you won't need it |
| 11:45.24 | chronographer | no i know thanks anyway |
| 11:45.26 | tenco | hadn't to think about that quite a long time :) |
| 11:45.28 | wols_ | chronographer: no problem. except that etch now gets security updates |
| 11:45.31 | hark | !info termcap-compat etch |
| 11:45.32 | stew | chronographer: only that you won't be getting any new versions of packages anymore. make sure you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list (/msg dpkg security) |
| 11:45.45 | Mazingaro | wols_: have you got kde on etch? |
| 11:45.46 | chronographer | oh.. should i change sources list? |
| 11:45.56 | stew | chronographer: only if you are missing the security.debian.org line |
| 11:45.57 | wols_ | Mazingaro: no |
| 11:46.04 | tenco | liable: thanks :) |
| 11:46.09 | Mazingaro | wols_: :( |
| 11:46.20 | liable | tenco: no worries |
| 11:46.23 | Mazingaro | wols_: I'm apt-get kde now on my brand new etch |
| 11:46.26 | chronographer | etch/updates is my security source |
| 11:46.40 | Mazingaro | wols_: installing it via netinst installgui was a pain |
| 11:46.41 | stew | chronographer: then you don't need to change anything |
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| 11:47.00 | chronographer | good. does anyone here use compiz or beryl all the time? |
| 11:47.02 | wols_ | it isn't. apt-get install kde. wait for the bloat toe settle. done |
| 11:47.11 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 11:47.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:47.22 | liable | chronographer: yes, but i aint going to help you install it :P |
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| 11:47.44 | chronographer | i have it installed its just slow |
| 11:47.53 | Mazingaro | wols_: not a real question, only to know if is there anyone using it and if he did find any probs |
| 11:47.57 | chronographer | surely its quite painless to install ;-) |
| 11:48.17 | chronographer | i use metacity most of the time... just miss wobbly windows! |
| 11:48.17 | wols_ | Mazingaro: not the brightest question in the world.... |
| 11:48.19 | hark | enyc: it's dead now :\ |
| 11:48.21 | liable | well, depends on the hoops you had to jump through.. |
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| 11:48.40 | wols_ | chronographer: depending on videocard it can be a big pain |
| 11:48.42 | Mazingaro | wols_: it hasn't to be brightest only to chit-chat |
| 11:48.50 | hark | enyc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=179828 |
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| 11:49.13 | chronographer | liable, do you find firefox makes beryl chog ?? |
| 11:49.13 | jmd_ | I've just upgraded from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 and now one of my network cards can't be found. |
| 11:49.25 | chronographer | some games too? |
| 11:49.30 | tarzeau | jmd_: which? |
| 11:49.37 | jmd_ | eth1 |
| 11:49.42 | liable | chronographer: no, but i dont play games |
| 11:49.42 | tarzeau | jmd_: which driver? what manufacturer? |
| 11:49.43 | hark | heh |
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| 11:49.54 | jmd_ | I was using e100 on 2.4 |
| 11:50.03 | chronographer | beryl or compiz? |
| 11:50.08 | liable | i think e100 is broken |
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| 11:50.12 | liable | chronographer: beryl |
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| 11:50.22 | jmd_ | wonderfull!! |
| 11:50.34 | tarzeau | jmd_: can you load it manually? build your own kernel using make-kpkg (kernel-package)? |
| 11:50.35 | triplc | 1 |
| 11:50.41 | liable | jmd_: i cant remeber which, but there was a recent kernel it was broken in :/ |
| 11:51.00 | liable | jmd_: dunno if it was the etch kernel or what, google it |
| 11:51.15 | jmd_ | liable: Is this a debian problem or a general linux problem? |
| 11:51.28 | liable | jmd_: kernel/general |
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| 11:51.35 | haggz | all the repos seem to be in pretty good shape, i just dist-upgraded one partition into lenny and another into sid, and havent found any problems -- that was from a clean minimal etch install tho, so simplest possible case. |
| 11:51.54 | chronographer | is it possible for doodled to run if apt says it isn't installed? |
| 11:51.57 | vchrizz | re :) how do i check in what pkg the perl module Time::ParseDate is? i searched with aptitude and packages.debian.org and cant find the right pkg :/ |
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| 11:52.31 | stew | chronographer: if it was running when you purged it, it will still be running, since we had you edit that script, if you kill it now, it won't come back |
| 11:52.48 | lepine_h | for all of those that might have helped me last night ... thank you ... my upgrade went fine. |
| 11:52.50 | stew | vchrizz: apt-file search ParseDate.pm (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 11:52.57 | tenco | finally. time to start seeding etch netinst iso :) |
| 11:53.05 | numan | anybody know how to get security updates automatically? |
| 11:53.08 | Mazingaro | so is it possible to upgrade the old unstable to etch? |
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| 11:53.10 | chronographer | ok. good, cause it appered again/... |
| 11:53.11 | neekofab | jmd it might now be eepro100 instead of e100 |
| 11:53.28 | hark | e100 should work... |
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| 11:53.48 | hark | CONFIG_E100=m |
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| 11:53.54 | liable | Mazingaro: thats a downgrade, and generally not possible, but you may be lucky as sid and etch are quite similar now |
| 11:53.54 | vchrizz | hum, apt-file doesnt find it either stew :/ |
| 11:54.02 | chronographer | i did a locate doodled and it is still in a few places like /usr/bin/doodled and /usr/share/doc/doodled |
| 11:54.17 | chronographer | /etc/init.d/doodled |
| 11:54.18 | chronographer | and here |
| 11:54.18 | stew | vchrizz: have you run apt-file update? |
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| 11:54.37 | stew | chronographer: the locate db is only updated once daily, "updatedb" will update it now |
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| 11:54.42 | Mazingaro | liable: my unstable was prior etch |
| 11:54.48 | chronographer | oh right! |
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| 11:55.26 | liable | Mazingaro: change your sources and see then |
| 11:55.29 | vchrizz | stew, oh forgot that ;) found :) thx |
| 11:55.40 | numan | liable: can you tell me how to get security updates auto like ubuntu? |
| 11:55.54 | Mazingaro | liable: I did, no changes with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:56.05 | liable | numan: debian doesnt have that facitlty, you need to run apt-get manually |
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| 11:56.45 | jmd_ | Google showed up a few other pleas for help about e100, but I can't find any proper bug notices/reports. Haven't the kernel developers acknowledged the problem yet? |
| 11:56.46 | hark | numan: what does ubuntu use? |
| 11:56.52 | numan | liable: what is package name for security updates? |
| 11:57.05 | chronographer | thanks everyone, another lesson in the joys of linux.. see you later! |
| 11:57.13 | Ronin | numan: you add a security source line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:57.17 | neekofab | jmd_ dmesg | grep e100 |
| 11:57.25 | lepine_h | nunan, it's a repos, not a package |
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| 11:57.27 | hark | jmd_: i recall it being removed earlier due to some dfsg issues, but it's there in Sid for me |
| 11:57.28 | Mazingaro | liable: doing againg |
| 11:57.35 | tenco | what about update-notifier? |
| 11:57.37 | numan | hark: ubuntu is like windows it will tell you that an update is available for security |
| 11:57.39 | liable | hark: ubuntu has a thing that pops up on your desktop and tells you you have upgrades (windows like afaik) |
| 11:57.54 | tenco | !update-notifier |
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| 11:58.15 | tenco | !tell me update-notifier |
| 11:58.16 | jmd_ | It's in sarge. It just doesn't seem to work. |
| 11:58.17 | hark | !info update-manager |
| 11:58.23 | numan | ronin: yes i have a line like deb http://security.debian.org......................... |
| 11:58.25 | dpkg | update-manager: (GNOME application that manages software updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.2ubuntu22-11 (sid), Packaged size: 553 kB, Installed size: 2388 kB |
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| 11:58.39 | tenco | !info update-notifier |
| 11:58.39 | liable | update notifier i think is the one |
| 11:58.46 | dpkg | update-notifier: (Daemon which notifies about package updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.12-3 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 11:58.57 | Mazingaro | liable: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 11:58.59 | jahshua | so lenny is the new testing and sid is still the unstable, right? |
| 11:59.12 | hark | yeah, that's it probably |
| 11:59.19 | Ronin | numan: there you go then, do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once in a while |
| 11:59.27 | hark | jahshua: yes, /msg dpkg releases |
| 11:59.29 | Ronin | jahshua: yes |
| 11:59.29 | capiira | hi all anyone know if there is a way to set a more advanced file permissions in linux ? like not to allow delete, rename etc. ? |
| 11:59.38 | Mazingaro | liable: is kernel package linux-image? |
| 11:59.52 | hark | for >= etch |
| 11:59.54 | liable | Mazingaro: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 12:00.17 | Mazingaro | liable: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
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| 12:00.30 | xand | capiira: no there isn't... well there's what chattr does, but that's not per user |
| 12:00.32 | tenco | !tell me acl |
| 12:00.40 | xand | acls don't do that |
| 12:00.45 | vchrizz | stew, how do you know which filename that module has? now im looking for Module::Refresh |
| 12:00.47 | tenco | xand: no? |
| 12:00.55 | tenco | !tell tenco about acl |
| 12:01.01 | capiira | ahh ok will take a look at chattr |
| 12:01.01 | enouf | tenco: you can /msg dpkg acl if you like |
| 12:01.05 | xand | acls let you grant normal permissions to more users |
| 12:01.07 | hark | !tell tenco about tell |
| 12:01.07 | stew | vchrizz: Refresh.pm its always Whatever.pm |
| 12:01.12 | liable | Mazingaro: etches and sids libc6 are the same atm, so your lucky |
| 12:01.18 | stew | vchrizz: and the first package you should look for is libmodule-refresh-perl |
| 12:01.18 | capiira | ah :) |
| 12:01.20 | xand | they don't expand on what permissions you can use |
| 12:01.23 | hark | .. |
| 12:01.28 | xand | NTFS > ext3 :P |
| 12:01.29 | capiira | thats good too |
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| 12:01.36 | Mazingaro | liable: :) |
| 12:01.38 | vchrizz | i see.. understood, thx stew ;) |
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| 12:02.01 | Mazingaro | liable: shall I use vanilla kernel to use 2.6.20? |
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| 12:02.53 | vchrizz | hum, but apt-file search Refresh.pm doesnt find anything, even after update .. |
| 12:02.59 | enouf | liable: don't ya mean etch's, lenny's and sid's ? |
| 12:03.03 | tenco | maybe chattr? |
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| 12:03.20 | liable | enouf: i guess i do :P |
| 12:03.31 | wols_ | Mazingaro: you can. just use kernel package. or use kmuto |
| 12:03.31 | enouf | :-) |
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| 12:03.44 | Mazingaro | wols_: kmuto? |
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| 12:03.52 | wols_ | !tell Mazingaro about kmuto |
| 12:04.02 | enouf | capiira: visit debian-administration and look around perhaps |
| 12:04.10 | Mazingaro | wols_: ok |
| 12:04.15 | enouf | capiira: whoops visit debian-administration.org |
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| 12:04.38 | enouf | capiira: also /msg dpkg permissions |
| 12:04.47 | vchrizz | stew, and what if the modules filename is not like the module name? im looking for Module::Refresh and dont get any results from apt-file search Refresh.pm :/ |
| 12:05.16 | numan | !paster |
| 12:05.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:05.17 | liable | capiira: setting the sticky bit is what you want i think |
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| 12:05.50 | hark | !wikifaq capiira Permissions |
| 12:05.50 | dpkg | capiira: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 12:06.12 | tenco | pidgin is the new gaim: www.pidgin.im |
| 12:06.29 | liable | yes, we know |
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| 12:07.19 | jahshua | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ These images will install the testing version of Debian, currently Etch. |
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| 12:07.22 | jahshua | im confused. |
| 12:07.24 | wols_ | vchrizz: download from cpan and look what the module filename is? |
| 12:07.31 | jahshua | can someone look at that link for me please? |
| 12:07.33 | wols_ | then install via debian |
| 12:07.50 | liable | !d-i |
| 12:07.50 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 12:08.00 | liable | jahshua: ^^^ |
| 12:08.03 | numan | ronin: see my results by that coomand-->http://channels.debian.net/paste/6025. |
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| 12:08.12 | wols_ | jahshua: just not updated the text |
| 12:08.19 | jahshua | ok cool. |
| 12:08.20 | wols_ | or the files |
| 12:08.26 | jahshua | thats what i was thinking. |
| 12:08.32 | jahshua | but those .iso's are lenny right? |
| 12:08.56 | liable | not likely, no |
| 12:09.02 | jahshua | hm |
| 12:09.09 | liable | whats the date on em? |
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| 12:09.12 | wols_ | not with that date |
| 12:09.16 | jahshua | so where should i get them from? |
| 12:09.19 | wols_ | 6th of april |
| 12:09.19 | jahshua | okay |
| 12:09.21 | jahshua | yeh |
| 12:09.35 | vchrizz | wols_, ah, thx, im not really familar with perl... |
| 12:09.36 | wols_ | jahshua: nowhere. install etch upgrade to lenny if you must |
| 12:09.40 | jahshua | okay. |
| 12:09.42 | jahshua | cool |
| 12:09.48 | liable | jahshua: the factoid just said where to get it from |
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| 12:09.56 | hark | if there's a difference right now |
| 12:10.04 | liable | unlikely |
| 12:10.07 | wols_ | hark: apperntly there was an influx |
| 12:10.22 | wols_ | at least someone in here mentioned it |
| 12:10.25 | numan | wols: -->http://channels.debian.net/paste/6025. |
| 12:10.32 | hark | heh, finally.. |
| 12:10.43 | enouf | [16:15:49] <fjp> <fjp> Sledge: Please switch back the link for daily builds to sid_d-i. |
| 12:10.43 | enouf | [16:16:24] <fjp> Or is something else needed to build images from lenny? |
| 12:10.55 | liable | another day and all hell will prolly break lose for sid and lenny |
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| 12:11.02 | enouf | [16:18:29] <joeyh> yes, naming the lenny d-i images lenny_d-i :-) |
| 12:11.02 | enouf | [16:18:47] <fjp> Ah, of course. |
| 12:11.04 | Insolit | anyone knows what is xfdesktop4? |
| 12:11.04 | mortal | liable: loose |
| 12:11.05 | enouf | heh |
| 12:11.21 | liable | mortal: goddam grammar nazi! |
| 12:11.26 | enouf | give it some time kids ;-) |
| 12:11.31 | wols_ | Insolit: something for xfce4 |
| 12:11.38 | liable | mortal: did you read reddit today or something? |
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| 12:11.45 | liable | :P |
| 12:11.46 | hark | Insolit: apt-cache show xfdesktop4 |
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| 12:12.16 | wols_ | liable: loose/lose is not grammar but orthography |
| 12:12.25 | Insolit | oh just saw it thanks a lot mates :D |
| 12:12.38 | ArtVandalae | Hi. I'm about to install Etch onto an AMD64. I've never ventured out of 32bit territory, so I'm curious: Is there any known issues with running 32bit software on the AMD64? |
| 12:12.51 | hark | heh |
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| 12:13.19 | liable | ArtVandalae: yes, its calles '32bit chroot' |
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| 12:13.23 | liable | called |
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| 12:13.36 | liable | google it |
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| 12:14.02 | ArtVandalae | yep, googling it now |
| 12:14.04 | tenco | why doesn't bash forked through xterm doesn't sourc my bash_profile? |
| 12:14.11 | Ronin | numan: seems fairly straight forward, it even tells you what to do |
| 12:14.53 | wols_ | for a "screen for X", x11vnc is my only bet? |
| 12:14.56 | hark | not a login shell? |
| 12:14.59 | liable | tenco: cause its not one of them login shell things, its an interactive bash process, or someshit like that |
| 12:15.05 | wols_ | nothing like freenx or such exists? |
| 12:15.09 | enouf | art vandalae .. nyuck nyuck @ seinfeld name |
| 12:15.20 | numan | liable: why these packages will be removed fam libfam0 to get xfdesktop4? |
| 12:15.22 | tenco | liable: ah. wait a moment... |
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| 12:15.44 | ArtVandalae | liable, I was under the impression that you could install a 32bit OS onto an AMD64, and run software without a problem. Is the 32bit chroot only if you want to run 32bit software packages in a 64bit OS? |
| 12:16.22 | wols_ | ArtVandalae: if you already run a 64bit OS you can't just install another (32bit) OS |
| 12:16.24 | liable | ArtVandalae: yep, you can install a pur 32bit os no problem on a 64, but running 32 apps on 64 needs the chroot |
| 12:16.34 | wols_ | there can only be one OS at a time running. after all it's the OS |
| 12:16.41 | enouf | xterms are pseudo terminal slaves , not ttys |
| 12:16.45 | wols_ | (virtualization is different in sevreal ways) |
| 12:16.59 | enouf | fwiw .. prolly not much |
| 12:17.13 | hark | you could specify it in .Xresources maybe.. |
| 12:17.21 | omg0 | how do you stop cardmgr? |
| 12:17.24 | hark | tenco: /msg dpkg dotfiles |
| 12:17.40 | hark | !zoo |
| 12:17.40 | dpkg | i heard zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 12:17.53 | ArtVandalae | That makes sense. So I might just stick to i386 Debian for the AMD64, unless there really is a pressing issue to use amd64 |
| 12:17.53 | numan | wols: why these packages will be removed fam libfam0 to get xfdesktop4? |
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| 12:18.04 | enouf | !any ideas |
| 12:18.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 42 three-legged goats. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 12:18.18 | tarzeau | dpkg zoo is also a file archiver with compression |
| 12:18.18 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 12:18.34 | aFlag | ArtVandalae: I know people who sucessfully run debian on 64 bits |
| 12:18.48 | tarzeau | aFlag: so do i, on alpha, mips and sparc |
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| 12:19.08 | omg0 | how does one stop cardmgr? |
| 12:19.09 | aFlag | perhaps you'd give it a try first, after all, it's always better to use your machine's full potential |
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| 12:19.11 | enouf | ArtVandalae: got more than 4GB RAM? |
| 12:19.20 | enouf | ArtVandalae: need to run 32bit apps? |
| 12:19.24 | tarzeau | omg0: try ls /etc/init.d/*card* ? |
| 12:19.25 | aFlag | unless that will give you too much headacke :P |
| 12:19.34 | enouf | if no to 1st, yes to 2nd stick with i386 |
| 12:19.39 | wols_ | ArtVandalae: or use certain software a lot that benefits from 64bit like media encoding? |
| 12:19.41 | enouf | or learn all about chroot |
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| 12:20.08 | enyc | hark: coo... http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/oldlibs/termcap-compat ubuntu had one... probably form debian... debian package database being silly as you can see ;-) |
| 12:20.10 | aFlag | tarzeau: where did he find a mips processor? On playstation 2? |
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| 12:20.26 | tarzeau | aFlag: i don't know, wasn't the question just about 64 bit cpus? |
| 12:20.30 | hark | enyc: it's in sarge too |
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| 12:20.38 | enyc | hark: coo... what about etch? |
| 12:20.39 | Mazingaro | aFlag: an old indigo2? |
| 12:20.43 | ArtVandalae | okay, thanks for your help guys |
| 12:20.46 | aFlag | tarzeau: well, you said you knew people who had mips, I was curious |
| 12:20.49 | numan | enouf: why these packages will be removed fam libfam0 to get xfdesktop4? |
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| 12:20.57 | enouf | !tell enyc -about pdo |
| 12:20.57 | enyc | hark: interestingly that old package used libc5 as dep... |
| 12:21.00 | tarzeau | aFlag: some sgi mips run fine. |
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| 12:21.16 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: also the o2 5000 |
| 12:21.18 | enouf | ndelage: don't know .. |
| 12:21.26 | enouf | erm numan: don't know .. |
| 12:21.29 | enyc | enouf: are you succeeding accessing packages.debian.org. ? |
| 12:21.33 | hark | enyc: yeah, i said it was dead :\ |
| 12:21.33 | enyc | enouf: im having trouble |
| 12:21.41 | hark | enyc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=179828 |
| 12:21.43 | enyc | enouf: so is hark |
| 12:21.43 | enouf | enyc: i was about a half an hour ago |
| 12:21.44 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I'd like to buy one o2 |
| 12:21.52 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: i've got an o2 10000 :( |
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| 12:22.13 | enyc | tarzeau: hrrm MIPS debian etc.? |
| 12:22.14 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: then? |
| 12:22.16 | numan | !xfdesktop4 |
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| 12:22.20 | hark | enyc: anyway, if you find a way to get it to work, let me know :) |
| 12:22.26 | enouf | enyc: though listing files in pkgs took longer than usual .. so I'm sure they're syncing or something .. have patioence |
| 12:22.28 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: debian doesn't support it. i have a kernel that does netboot |
| 12:22.31 | enouf | patience even |
| 12:22.39 | tarzeau | enyc: debian support for mips is very limited |
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| 12:23.06 | tarzeau | enyc: http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ |
| 12:23.07 | numan | !xfce |
| 12:23.08 | dpkg | [xfce] a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 12:23.19 | enyc | enouf: hrrm ive ran some quesries and they eventially fail causing the browser to think it needs to download a .pl file (i.e. the script from server's name) |
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| 12:23.48 | CaT[tm] | hmmm |
| 12:23.55 | enyc | tarzeau: Ive had mips debian running in the past.... |
| 12:23.56 | CaT[tm] | trying xfce should be fun |
| 12:23.57 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: :( |
| 12:23.58 | enouf | !info xfce4 |
| 12:24.07 | Mazingaro | I got irix 6.5.22 on my indigo2 |
| 12:24.07 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 12:24.16 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I got irix 6.5.22 on my indigo2 |
| 12:24.16 | omg0 | While in one terminal in a non gui mode how does one bring up an additional terminal? |
| 12:24.23 | tarzeau | enyc, Mazingaro have you ever run NeXTSTEP or OPENSTEP? |
| 12:24.26 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I talked to you on #irix :) |
| 12:24.30 | CaT[tm] | actual honest-to-god xfce4 didn't make it into etch? |
| 12:24.34 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: oh i remember :) |
| 12:24.39 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: what is it? |
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| 12:25.09 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: openstep? |
| 12:25.10 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: a better mac os x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEXTSTEP |
| 12:25.52 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I heard about it but never covered |
| 12:26.03 | CaT[tm] | 4.4 i mean |
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| 12:26.20 | enouf | omg0: you want alt-f{2,3,4,5,6} ? |
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| 12:26.46 | numan | should i use this command -->apt-get install kde to get kde? |
| 12:27.03 | nihraguk | how do i download a package using apt-get source, ./configure it on my own to ensure that it has the settings that i need, and then get debian to build it and integrate it into the pkg system? |
| 12:27.15 | HostilePenguin | why do some people have more than on device in xorg.conf with the same settings? |
| 12:27.21 | Coweater | !install kde |
| 12:27.22 | dpkg | [install kde] In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 12:27.29 | enouf | numan: apt-get install <pkg> name |
| 12:27.33 | enouf | bah |
| 12:27.33 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: try livecd.gnustep.org some time |
| 12:27.36 | enouf | numan: apt-get install <pkg> |
| 12:27.46 | skandaleras | hi all |
| 12:27.51 | enouf | !tell numan -about debian mantra |
| 12:27.59 | Xires | can anyone tell me what kind of problems automake 1.10 has currently? |
| 12:28.14 | Xires | or point me to a buglist? |
| 12:28.36 | enouf | Xires: don't know, but you can choose a diff version (if installed) using update-alternatives IINM |
| 12:29.33 | stew | Xires: http://bugs.debian.org/automake1.10 |
| 12:29.33 | Xires | stew; tyvm |
| 12:29.38 | skandaleras | I'm creating a debian package with debuild a some extra CFLAGS, I'd like to name it package-X.X.X-myversion ... is there a quick way of doing that? I've been having a look at the new debian maintainer's guide but I found nothing. Any clue guys? |
| 12:29.45 | Xires | enouf; I understand..I'm curious because I wanted to know if I could choose it as default |
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| 12:30.18 | nihraguk | anyone? |
| 12:30.22 | tarzeau | skandaleras: see debian/control and debian/changelog ? |
| 12:30.37 | tarzeau | skandaleras: probably just the first and the files/directories |
| 12:32.04 | skandaleras | thanks tarzeau! |
| 12:32.04 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: a mix about bsd and gibberish |
| 12:32.04 | skandaleras | tarzeau: you mean I will have to change the directory and binary names? |
| 12:32.09 | skandaleras | someone told me there is a way to avoid that (and this way is used in security updates) |
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| 12:32.29 | tarzeau | skandaleras: wait the package name stays the same? |
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| 12:32.33 | rdz | nihraguk, interesting question. i also would like to know the answer |
| 12:32.37 | tarzeau | skandaleras: you just want the debian version different? |
| 12:32.44 | skandaleras | WTF! I'll download a package with security updates, thanks tarzeau :) |
| 12:32.46 | tarzeau | skandaleras: then that'd be just dch -i |
| 12:32.52 | skandaleras | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:32.56 | skandaleras | dch? :_O |
| 12:33.07 | tarzeau | and then edit the version, debian changelog tool |
| 12:33.22 | skandaleras | magic, thanks tarzeau :) |
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| 12:36.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:36.56 | dpkg | qotd121 is, like, <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
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| 12:38.11 | tarzeau | liable: heh |
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| 12:38.32 | liable | whats the odds.. ;) |
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| 12:38.43 | hark | !cookie liable |
| 12:39.09 | liable | ... |
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| 12:39.41 | HostilePenguin | liable you see my flood? |
| 12:40.36 | liable | HostilePenguin: nope. should i have? |
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| 12:40.36 | HostilePenguin | your in #flood right? |
| 12:40.36 | liable | yeah |
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| 12:41.06 | liable | HostilePenguin: fglrx has decided they want to butcher and change xorg.conf to suit there own needs |
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| 12:41.28 | liable | HostilePenguin: it makes it so it apparently works with fglrx, and when thats not available, vesa |
| 12:42.02 | liable | HostilePenguin: but its quit fucking confusing to work out wtf is going on.. :/ |
| 12:42.07 | liable | quite |
| 12:42.30 | HostilePenguin | i use fglrx and dont have that second device |
| 12:42.45 | liable | HostilePenguin: your version looks like you ran aticonfig with some sort of option i havent seen |
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| 12:43.30 | bzed|afk | !cookie me |
| 12:43.31 | HostilePenguin | thats not mine its someone elses i just dont know why he has 2 devices |
| 12:43.44 | adri | pardon the stupid question, but which package is finddebs_style in? |
| 12:43.49 | liable | HostilePenguin: did you do it with some sort of twin monitor option or something? |
| 12:43.56 | bzed|afk | !find finddebs_style |
| 12:44.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'finddebs_style' returned no results. |
| 12:44.18 | bzed|afk | adri: ^^ |
| 12:44.18 | HostilePenguin | nope |
| 12:44.35 | bzed|afk | adri: are you sure that's what you're looking for? |
| 12:44.41 | adri | hosting-1:~# debootstrap etch /dist/etch |
| 12:44.43 | liable | HostilePenguin: it will have made a backup, restore it, and run the config thing again |
| 12:44.44 | adri | Ah |
| 12:44.48 | adri | interesting. I bet its an internal function |
| 12:44.50 | liable | HostilePenguin: after reading its docs |
| 12:45.04 | bzed|afk | adri: that could be :) |
| 12:45.07 | adri | Hm, might have to install the etch debootstrap in this sarge install |
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| 12:45.58 | adri | Look at that, it worked |
| 12:46.00 | adri | Ta. :P |
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| 12:46.24 | capiira | thx for the permission tips :) |
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| 12:48.43 | Jaga | help, I'm trying to install amd64 from a netinst disc but it stops at loading installer components. the log says it's trying to load 386 files instead of amd files.. any ideas? |
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| 12:50.06 | enouf | nihraguk: you d/l the source, cd into the dir, and read the INSTALL, README, and whatever else, then /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage .. basically |
| 12:50.39 | narma | hello, I want to use compiz to have desktop 3D effect. I have a via castle rock graphic card with 3D enabled. I have installed compiz and compiz-gnome (I'm on debian testing). What should I do to activate it now ? I can't find :( |
| 12:51.59 | dashs | 1st debian install (new edgy) for me: did apt-get install regina3 -- package is in cache, not installed -- how can I install it? |
| 12:52.01 | wols_ | wtf? apt-get install twm suggestst kdebase-bin? kde? |
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| 12:52.18 | liable | suggests |
| 12:52.27 | smoalne | hello |
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| 12:53.08 | liable | laters |
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| 12:54.04 | hark | narma: read the wiki entry on it.. /msg dpkg compiz |
| 12:54.19 | liable | castle rock?? what chip, google if aiglx supports the actual chipset |
| 12:55.00 | wols_ | liable: still. twm and kde just don't mix, really |
| 12:55.02 | capiira | narma: i suggest you to read general compiz requirements and available tutorials on google. debians compositing support is not that good out of the box. |
| 12:55.21 | hark | you'll need to enable composite (if that card supports it) and do a compiz --replace |
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| 12:55.40 | smoalne | is there a stable version of etch ? |
| 12:56.02 | Eclipser | etch is stable.. |
| 12:56.09 | skandaleras | hello smoalne, what are u looking for? |
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| 12:56.19 | skandaleras | etch is stable since a few days ago |
| 12:56.21 | electro | stable is etch |
| 12:56.29 | skandaleras | etch is stable :P |
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| 12:56.44 | electro | stabalus etch est |
| 12:56.46 | narma | hark, where is the wiki on it ? so aiglx doesn't support all 3D card ? opengl activated is not always sufficient ? ok 'll search more |
| 12:56.52 | skandaleras | hahaha |
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| 12:57.08 | capiira | yeah but then you still have an old 2.2 compiz |
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| 12:57.23 | hark | narma: thae factoid has the link |
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| 12:57.48 | capiira | 0.2.2 i mean |
| 12:57.53 | hark | !wikifaq narma Compiz |
| 12:57.54 | dpkg | narma: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 12:58.05 | narma | hark, thank you :) |
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| 12:58.46 | smoalne | i wanted to find out how to update the kernel with apt-get |
| 12:58.47 | capiira | compiz 0.4 is the newest |
| 12:58.49 | kryptoz | Hi guys |
| 12:59.16 | kryptoz | is it possible to connect camcoder to my debian box ? |
| 12:59.30 | kryptoz | is there any application which I can use ? anyone tried this ? |
| 12:59.43 | kryptoz | I was searching in google and could find anything .. |
| 12:59.59 | tarzeau | kryptoz: digital? analogue? |
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| 13:01.05 | hark | Eclipser: heh, someone else had e100 missing after an upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6.. though it seems to be back in Debian (if it was ever gone) |
| 13:02.04 | enouf | !nie |
| 13:02.04 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: ETCH IS RELEASED! http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 (As of April 8, 2007) Etch 4.0r0 is now available and is the Official Stable release .. Sarge becomes oldstable and Lenny becomes Testing! ; ask me about <Today> for more info ; also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images/guides .. or ask me about <initramfs> |
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| 13:03.39 | enouf | !dbse |
| 13:03.40 | dpkg | from memory, dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 13:04.23 | enouf | dpkg love me |
| 13:04.43 | loesh | O_o |
| 13:04.50 | loesh | dpkg is nasty! |
| 13:04.55 | hark | apt fuck enouf |
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| 13:05.18 | enouf | !fish hark |
| 13:05.18 | hark | apologies ;) |
| 13:05.22 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:05.59 | enouf | it's all good .. btw, haven;t seen her, is she a hottie too ;-) |
| 13:06.18 | hark | ~gender |
| 13:06.26 | apt | I'm not sure |
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| 13:06.33 | enouf | haha |
| 13:06.47 | Omena- | ok i banned my own ipaddress at Webmin |
| 13:06.50 | Omena- | how do i unban myself |
| 13:07.06 | enouf | hark: you can have that one .. "it's" a bit confused :-P |
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| 13:08.32 | Omena- | is there a way to scan text files for string? |
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| 13:08.39 | loesh | grep |
| 13:08.41 | tarzeau | Omena-: yes, using ocr software |
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| 13:08.51 | tarzeau | Omena-: http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocr/ |
| 13:09.06 | Omena- | no |
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| 13:09.12 | Omena- | i mean a directory full of files |
| 13:09.25 | Omena- | i need to find the file that contains 192.168.0.196 |
| 13:09.28 | tarzeau | Omena-: yes you can run these tools on a list full of files |
| 13:09.29 | Omena- | that string |
| 13:09.50 | tarzeau | Omena-: well run them through ocr software, then grep for what you need to find |
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| 13:10.05 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - ive just installed etch, but it is attempting to use the first ethernet port instead of the second - how can i tell it to use the other? |
| 13:10.28 | Omena- | tarzeau even the GNU basetools can do it |
| 13:10.39 | tarzeau | Omena-: really? |
| 13:10.39 | bellen | cannot login to kdm. returned to the login screen. same for new user created. same of kde or gnome session selected. had removed and restore ~/.kde fr backup. no clues fr kdm.log, dmesg or syslog. help. |
| 13:10.51 | Super_Cat_Frog | unfortunately i cant swap over the ethernet cables as the server is a couple of hundred miles away attached to an IP KVM |
| 13:10.54 | tarzeau | Super_Cat_Frog: do you have a firewire port? |
| 13:10.57 | Omena- | dude |
| 13:11.00 | Omena- | optical character recognition |
| 13:11.02 | Omena- | OPTICAL |
| 13:11.03 | Super_Cat_Frog | tarzeau: no physical access |
| 13:11.04 | Omena- | that for papers |
| 13:11.12 | Omena- | i mean files in my hdd |
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| 13:11.35 | hark | Omena-: grep |
| 13:11.37 | tarzeau | Super_Cat_Frog: try http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502 |
| 13:11.38 | fengor | bellen: try hitting ctrl-alt-f1 and try logging in there |
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| 13:11.54 | tarzeau | Omena-: did you read the link i gave you? |
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| 13:12.10 | Super_Cat_Frog | tarzeau: cant install that - no network access |
| 13:12.14 | bellen | fengor, forgot to mention it, but console login is no problem. i want kde. |
| 13:12.29 | tarzeau | Super_Cat_Frog: got a local person? try having them disable the firewire port in the bios? |
| 13:13.11 | fengor | bellen: seems your x configuration is faulty then |
| 13:13.21 | Omena- | hark how |
| 13:13.25 | fengor | what error message does it give when you try to start x from the console |
| 13:15.00 | loesh | Omena-, man grep |
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| 13:15.36 | Omena- | dude i couldnt figure out |
| 13:15.38 | loesh | grep 192.168.0.196 * |
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| 13:15.48 | loesh | when in the dir that contains the files.. |
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| 13:15.57 | Omena- | oh ok |
| 13:16.00 | loesh | :) |
| 13:16.16 | Omena- | well now we are getting somewhere |
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| 13:17.00 | bahadunn | hello lenny |
| 13:17.06 | bellen | no one here has experienced my type of problem? |
| 13:17.14 | hark | Omena-: do a recursive grep :) |
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| 13:17.44 | stew | bellen: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:18.22 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/oshistory/7.html |
| 13:18.23 | bellen | stew, yeah, that my reveal something. thks. |
| 13:18.48 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: ? |
| 13:19.03 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: more about the NeXT company |
| 13:19.12 | bellen | got to sign off. i am sharing keyboard and mouse between two boxes. |
| 13:19.29 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: ok |
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| 13:22.47 | keith80403 | What is the (or an) URL for the Etch i386 iso MD5SUMs (e.g. debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso?) |
| 13:23.21 | enouf | bellen startx from console |
| 13:23.47 | stew | keith80403: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 13:24.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | tarzeau: no, its nothing to do with firewire, i have 2 ethernet ports, one for internet one for lan |
| 13:24.45 | tarzeau | Super_Cat_Frog: i see and unloading the module of both, then just loading the one? |
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| 13:26.38 | enouf | dang i'm blind today.. must be all that lovin' from the bot O.o |
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| 13:27.41 | bahadunn | tarzeau: shouldn't you be in #mandriva? |
| 13:27.45 | numan | how many desktop environment dedian have? |
| 13:28.02 | bahadunn | what is a dedian? |
| 13:28.09 | Petrov | !nvidia |
| 13:28.09 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is Ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a fast answer on 'how to install the Nvidia drivers'; for a long guide - see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 13:28.13 | tarzeau | bahadunn: no? why? |
| 13:28.24 | tarzeau | numan: all? |
| 13:28.25 | bahadunn | tarzeau: just messin with you |
| 13:28.37 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i know you from #gnu-kbsd !! |
| 13:28.41 | sceadugenga | hi, i am implementing a gigabit network and i'd like to enable true gigabit speeds between the computers. Someone mentioned tcp window size, and doing some research, I noticed there is autotuning in the later linux kernels. Will i need to change any settings on my debian box to get maximum performance? or will the problem lie in the xp boxes? |
| 13:29.42 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: what will you use? samba? nfs? if nfs, tcp? udp? which version of it? |
| 13:30.06 | sceadugenga | tcp, and probably http |
| 13:30.29 | sceadugenga | lighttpd |
| 13:30.30 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: many small files or very large files? |
| 13:30.37 | sceadugenga | large |
| 13:30.46 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: i guess harddisks will be the bottle neck |
| 13:30.53 | sceadugenga | 600mb at least |
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| 13:31.15 | sceadugenga | oh ok |
| 13:31.31 | numan | tarzeau: yes all |
| 13:31.36 | wols_ | sceadugenga: do you have a RAID? |
| 13:31.42 | sceadugenga | no |
| 13:31.48 | sceadugenga | i need one though :P |
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| 13:31.52 | Eclipser | hark, my laptop which had e100 is not incapacitated :/ |
| 13:31.55 | MrWup | ello chaps |
| 13:31.58 | wols_ | then your speeds will probably max out at 50-60MB/s |
| 13:32.05 | MrWup | how can i get the MAC address of my debian network card? |
| 13:32.12 | wols_ | MrWup: ifconfig |
| 13:32.13 | redduck666 | MrWup: ifconfig, |
| 13:32.16 | sceadugenga | what sort of speeds can i expect? |
| 13:32.21 | wols_ | I just told you |
| 13:32.24 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: 100mb/s |
| 13:32.26 | numan | tarzeau: i have just installed kde and xfce4 while i already have gnome |
| 13:32.30 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: the maximum theoretically |
| 13:32.31 | sceadugenga | at the moment, im only getting 15MB/s |
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| 13:32.39 | wols_ | and it also depends on your network cards. an intel one will be faster than a realtek |
| 13:32.50 | MrWup | wols_, its listed as hwaddr? |
| 13:32.51 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: what harddisks? how many people download at the same time? |
| 13:32.52 | sceadugenga | im using intel cards |
| 13:32.53 | redduck666 | sceadugenga: on an optimized sata drives over (real, not realtek) gigabit network i get ~35 MB/sec |
| 13:32.56 | bahadunn | tarzeau: :) |
| 13:33.01 | wols_ | MrWup: yes |
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| 13:33.04 | MrWup | thanks |
| 13:33.16 | sceadugenga | umm, 2 people downloading at the same time |
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| 13:33.22 | redduck666 | errr, i mean, un-optimized |
| 13:33.25 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: do they both get 15mb/s ? |
| 13:33.29 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: check with iptraf ? |
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| 13:33.50 | sceadugenga | on a single thread, when i download from that box, i get 15MB/s |
| 13:33.57 | sceadugenga | noone else downloading |
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| 13:34.04 | numan | how somebody can get 15 MB/s ? or 15 Mbits/sec |
| 13:34.18 | redduck666 | sceadugenga: for ''real'' speed test i would subggest netcat. |
| 13:34.19 | MrWup | wols_, also, i need to activate DHCP |
| 13:34.29 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: and the place you download to is memory or harddisk, the bottle neck can be on both sides (disks)? |
| 13:34.31 | MrWup | for my card |
| 13:34.38 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: i think you should get more than 15mb/s on gbit |
| 13:34.45 | redduck666 | MrWup: dhclient <interface> |
| 13:34.49 | sceadugenga | thats what i thought |
| 13:34.50 | tenco | got some xresources issue here. ~/.Xresources only has influence, if i merge it in a terminal and start an application from that term |
| 13:34.54 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: we've got a fileserver here that gets out about 30-50mb/s |
| 13:34.56 | sceadugenga | maybe i need to change some settings? |
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| 13:35.11 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: no you need to find out where it gets slow |
| 13:35.14 | moshii | sceadugenga: checked you cabling etc? |
| 13:35.20 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: try running iptraf, and doing disk speed checks |
| 13:35.21 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.23 | sceadugenga | yeah, cabling is fine |
| 13:35.33 | sceadugenga | i'll run iptraf and let you guys know |
| 13:35.39 | redduck666 | tarzeau: raid? |
| 13:35.45 | tarzeau | redduck666: yes of course :) |
| 13:35.50 | wols_ | mrew: man interfaces |
| 13:35.52 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: anything above 10mb/s is more than 100mbit |
| 13:35.53 | moshii | sceadugenga: what switching hardware? if it runs IOS you could check what's happening there |
| 13:36.10 | tarzeau | sceadugenga: and hdparm to see how much the disk can read and write? |
| 13:36.29 | tarzeau | moshii: we don't know if it's switched yet, do we? |
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| 13:36.51 | sceadugenga | it's switched, using cat5e cables |
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| 13:36.57 | moshii | tarzeau: you can get gbit hubs? |
| 13:37.04 | tarzeau | moshii: oops :) probably not |
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| 13:37.39 | moshii | tarzeau: I don't think you can do peer to peer with gbit either |
| 13:37.48 | tenco | why doesnt my xapps honor ~/.Xresources? |
| 13:38.07 | tarzeau | tenco: typo maybe? which x app? |
| 13:38.13 | Mooi | Hello, how can I use "convert" utility from imagemagick to alter an image to create a 640x480 image, where the original image would be resized to fit, even if it is higher resolution and not in that aspect ratio? Say, you have a 400x500 image, and I want it to be resized to fit 640x480, and the fit image would be put right into the centre |
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| 13:38.53 | tenco | tarzeau: if i do a xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources in an xterm and start the xapp in question through that xterm, it works |
| 13:38.55 | eisen | tenco: you need to either restart x or xrdb -merge .Xresources |
| 13:38.58 | sword | Mooi: consider asking #imagemagick |
| 13:38.58 | keith80403 | stew, re: MD5SUMS - thank you! |
| 13:39.09 | tarzeau | Mooi: it has some special syntax to keep aspect ratio, using ! in the size (needs escaping i think) |
| 13:39.15 | Mooi | ok |
| 13:39.31 | tarzeau | tenco: did you just do the change and not relogin ? |
| 13:39.37 | tarzeau | tenco: i really don't know |
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| 13:40.04 | tenco | tarzeau: i did relogin. .Xresources only matters if i merge it in an xterm and start my xapp from that xterm |
| 13:40.08 | tenco | totally wierd |
| 13:40.18 | tarzeau | tenco: what x app in question is this? |
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| 13:40.32 | bahadunn | tarzeau: gnu-kbsd is not LINUX! |
| 13:40.39 | tarzeau | tenco: i've got some x app that just works, when i change .Xresources for it |
| 13:40.55 | tarzeau | bahadunn: uh-oh .. it reads #debian here, nothing about linux right? |
| 13:40.59 | tenco | tarzeau: xterm |
| 13:41.01 | tenco | tarzeau: :) |
| 13:41.31 | killerstorm | helo. yesterday i was said that on debian 3.1 updating 2.4.27 kernel to 2.6.8 should be safe. unfortunately it's not -- i've got kernel panick, that's very unpleasant since server is only accessible from remote.. |
| 13:41.35 | tenco | i use openbox as wm |
| 13:41.36 | edthefox | anyone have experience installing etch onto a powerbook g4? |
| 13:41.44 | tarzeau | tenco: funny. xlsclients |grep xterm |wc -l says 0 here. i'm a Terminal.app user |
| 13:41.50 | tenco | and gdm as xdm |
| 13:42.00 | tarzeau | edthefox: #debianppc maybe? |
| 13:42.30 | killerstorm | last lines it says are: ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. ide0: port already in unse, skipping probe |
| 13:42.31 | edthefox | tarzeau: oh! thank you, I didn't know it had it's own channel!! |
| 13:42.33 | tarzeau | killerstorm: should be safe doesn't mean is safe for sure |
| 13:42.35 | tenco | maybe i am missing sth |
| 13:42.37 | numan | how to switch to jde from gnome? |
| 13:42.39 | eisen | tenco: what about putting it into .Xdefaults instead? |
| 13:42.46 | numan | kde |
| 13:42.50 | tarzeau | killerstorm: try building your own 2.6 kernel? or a later one (the one from etch, the new stable) |
| 13:43.17 | bahadunn | tarzeau: :-P |
| 13:43.37 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I got 4 hours sleep last night |
| 13:43.39 | killerstorm | then same about ide0, then pivot_root: no such file or directory, then /sbin/init: 432 : cannot open dev/console: no such file! |
| 13:43.50 | enouf | numan: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 13:43.52 | tarzeau | bahadunn: then you should go to sleep again, for another 2-4 hours |
| 13:43.53 | killerstorm | then kernel panic -- attempted to kill init |
| 13:44.00 | bahadunn | tarzeau: my baby runs on debian so she is up all the time |
| 13:44.14 | killerstorm | does any of this lines mean something about what causes the problem? |
| 13:44.22 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I should have run windows on her then I would get sleep |
| 13:44.36 | sceadugenga | tarzeau, im getting 18.1 MB/s |
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| 13:45.26 | moshii | tenco: so you didn't have to watch acsii rendered pron? |
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| 13:46.39 | enouf | killerstorm: any help? http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/10/msg00854.html |
| 13:47.02 | numan | !kde |
| 13:47.02 | dpkg | from memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 13:47.44 | tenco | moshii: no. no headaches setting xapps up |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 13:48.23 | dpkg | hmm... devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 13:48.37 | tenco | seems to be some gdm issue. if i start the xserver through xinit, it works as advertised o_O |
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| 13:50.57 | boodie | Hey - has etch become stable? |
| 13:51.20 | stew | boodie: yes |
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| 13:53.29 | vocan | stew, concerniong my kdm login problem, i found that my .xsession-errors has only one line "open: permission denied". The permission of the usual user has changed. Indeed i can log in as root. But how to check or set the privilege of a user? |
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| 13:57.38 | torrr | hi |
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| 13:57.50 | torrr | how can I check if my processor support VT? |
| 13:57.58 | stew | vocan: make sure your user owns all the files in its home directory |
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| 13:58.04 | wols_ | torrr: cpuinfo |
| 13:58.06 | tarzeau | torrr: /proc/cpuinfo maybe? |
| 13:58.07 | coolzone | Hi all! I just can't remember how, but I need to check when my ISP is updating his DNS servers, I remember using some unix tools to do that, but I can't remember what it is. Can anyone help? |
| 13:58.08 | wols_ | what cpu is it? |
| 13:58.22 | torrr | PD930 |
| 13:58.28 | wols_ | coolzone: you mean dig? |
| 13:58.35 | coolzone | wols, yes!! Thanks lol |
| 13:58.42 | abrotman | torrr: it does |
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| 13:58.51 | dragonriot | how can I delete the RAID volumes I made last night?? I want to wipe the system, but when I try to delete them it says it can't because they are in use... I am booting from a Debian Etch NetInst CD |
| 13:58.54 | eMish | i wonder whether there is debian-derived distro that configures network interfaces like redhat. |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | who cares? |
| 13:59.05 | wols_ | torrr: it has VT support (vanderpool) |
| 13:59.05 | dragonriot | eMish... |
| 13:59.13 | dragonriot | eMish... how does redhat configure them? |
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| 13:59.27 | abrotman | eMish: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 13:59.35 | eMish | dragonriot, redhat has 1 small script per interface with all params for that interface (2) |
| 13:59.43 | eMish | you can easily affix if name to the mac |
| 13:59.52 | torrr | wols_, when I googled it I also saw support for VT but for some rev, and I don't know if all rev or just that rev |
| 13:59.57 | tarzeau | eMish: debian has /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:00.00 | dragonriot | eMish... you can do that from console with Debian, Ubuntu, and a plethora of others... |
| 14:00.07 | tarzeau | eMish: and a manual page in section 5 to it |
| 14:00.13 | dragonriot | eMish... what tarzeau said |
| 14:00.16 | abrotman | torrr: you have a 930 |
| 14:00.18 | wols_ | torrr: what "rev"? |
| 14:00.30 | torrr | wols_, revision |
| 14:00.37 | torrr | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:00.42 | wols_ | torrr: I know what the abbrev. means. but: what rev? |
| 14:01.02 | wols_ | what model, stepping, family? |
| 14:01.03 | torrr | wols_, I am not sure what rev I have got |
| 14:01.09 | abrotman | torrr: 930 is 930 AFAIK .. ask #hardware to be sure .. but i don't htink it matters beyond having a 930 |
| 14:01.16 | wols_ | about what "rev are they talking about? |
| 14:01.26 | wols_ | cause like abrotman I don't know of any different ones |
| 14:01.33 | dragonriot | I need a RAID/LVM pro.... =( My server is doing nothing because I wanted a Debian based server, and I didn't like the way it worked... I'm still going to use a Debian based server, but just not pure Debian... need help removing the RAID volumes ASAP... |
| 14:01.46 | tenco | lol |
| 14:01.55 | torrr | is the VT suppostd to be in the flags of cpuinfo? |
| 14:01.56 | tenco | i think it's a typo in /etc/X11/Xsession: |
| 14:01.57 | wols_ | dragonriot: define "not pure debian" |
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| 14:02.17 | tenco | SESSIONFILES=$(run_parts $SYSSESSIONDIR) |
| 14:02.19 | tenco | should be: |
| 14:02.30 | torrr | I see vmx in the flagx |
| 14:02.33 | tenco | SESSIONFILES=$(run-parts $SYSSESSIONDIR) |
| 14:02.33 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 14:02.34 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 14:02.38 | dragonriot | wols_... I installed Debian Etch... I'm going to use something OTHER than Debian Etch... but still Debian Based... I just need to get the RAID volumes deleted because they are borked right now anyway. |
| 14:02.39 | MrWup | does debian have an LDAP client i can use to test out my LDAP server? |
| 14:02.58 | torrr | got from xen that its the vmx flag |
| 14:03.04 | wols_ | dragonriot: we don't care. we support woody, sarge, etch, lenny and sid. if you insist bo, hamm, slink... |
| 14:03.10 | wols_ | those and only those |
| 14:03.21 | dragonriot | wols_... basically, I have Debian installed now... so you should be supporting me... |
| 14:03.23 | dragonriot | =) |
| 14:03.32 | dragonriot | and fine... I'll install Debian again |
| 14:03.36 | CaT[tm] | oooooh |
| 14:03.43 | wols_ | dragonriot: we don't have to support anyone. at all. this is a volunteer channel |
| 14:03.43 | CaT[tm] | should is such a strong word |
| 14:03.44 | dragonriot | but the way I installed it was borked, so I need to start over. |
| 14:04.09 | dragonriot | wols_... I know this... and I'm asking for help to get my server up and running... I love Debian, I just installed it wrong.... |
| 14:04.17 | tenco | if i want to change from xdm back to gdm, what alternative do i have to change? |
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| 14:04.37 | tenco | non |
| 14:04.38 | h3sp4wn | tenco: dpkg-reconfigure gdm (should ask you) |
| 14:04.41 | tenco | ..e |
| 14:04.41 | wols_ | tenco: displaymanager |
| 14:04.42 | tenco | jep |
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| 14:04.47 | earthian | hello |
| 14:04.49 | dragonriot | disregard my "Debian Based" comment... I'm reinstalled Debian, but I can't remove the RAID volumes. |
| 14:04.54 | Ronin | heh |
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| 14:05.19 | earthian | wtf my IP of one of the NICs is inet addr:169.254.161.171 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 |
| 14:05.31 | earthian | i have 192.168.0.1 in interfaces file |
| 14:05.33 | stew | earthian: you have zeroconf installed |
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| 14:05.42 | earthian | i have what? :op |
| 14:05.44 | stew | earthian: 'ip a' will list both addresses |
| 14:05.44 | earthian | erm |
| 14:05.47 | CaT[tm] | dragon: is that disregard just like when I say I use windows to connect when I call my isps support? :) |
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| 14:05.59 | dragonriot | wols_... I have 4 18GB drives partitioned equally as 100mb RAID1, 17.1GB RAID5, and 995mb RAID1... when I try to delete the mdx_0x volumes, it says they are in use... |
| 14:06.10 | hark | tenco: run_parts is correct |
| 14:06.30 | wols_ | dragonriot: doh. unmount them? |
| 14:06.30 | dragonriot | CaT[tm]... no... I'm using Debian... I have Debian CD in the machine... |
| 14:06.32 | dragonriot | wols_... I'm booted from the CD, they aren't mounted... |
| 14:06.41 | tenco | hark: is this a builtin? i have only run-parts here |
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| 14:07.07 | wols_ | dragonriot: how can you have mdX when booted from CD in the first place? |
| 14:07.09 | stew | tenco: grep run_parts /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 14:07.13 | earthian | stew, "ip a" does not list 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:07.14 | earthian | :( |
| 14:07.23 | dragonriot | unless Software RAID automounts the RAID Volumes on boot no matter what |
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| 14:07.39 | wols_ | "mount" will tell you |
| 14:07.46 | earthian | stew, snd dpkg -l | grep zero does not give any results neither |
| 14:07.47 | tenco | stew: gna. :) |
| 14:07.56 | wols_ | earthian: cat /proc/partitions |
| 14:07.57 | dragonriot | wols_... because I already installed Debian on the server, and now I'm trying to delete the partitions from the install CD again... in the Debian Partition Manager.... |
| 14:07.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wish you'd learn quilt and help me with a package |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can quilt .. and crochet |
| 14:08.21 | stew | tarzeau: what do you need to know about quilt? i'm switching my packages to it, |
| 14:08.32 | earthian | wols_, ? |
| 14:08.33 | stew | tarzeau: and I like it much better than dpatch |
| 14:08.36 | dragonriot | according to 'mount' there are no drives mounted... but I am still unable to remove the RAID volumes |
| 14:08.46 | earthian | what should partitions do about my network? |
| 14:08.47 | tarzeau | stew: i just need someone to make my non-dpatch/quilt package a quilt package, that's all |
| 14:08.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't think you were packaging anymore |
| 14:09.09 | tarzeau | stew: i've got issues with the configure/autotools build tools because of crlf newlines i think, but i'm not sure |
| 14:09.10 | bahadunn | tarzeau: ever used git? |
| 14:09.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: said who? |
| 14:09.23 | tarzeau | bahadunn: no i hate any sort of software like cvs or svn |
| 14:09.28 | wols_ | earthian: sry |
| 14:09.29 | bahadunn | abrotman: I dont think tarzeau will ever quit packaging |
| 14:09.30 | tarzeau | bahadunn: wait git is more like quilt |
| 14:09.42 | earthian | np wols_ i see you are busy :P |
| 14:09.44 | tarzeau | bahadunn, abrotman: why do you guys think about my packaging? |
| 14:09.55 | bahadunn | tarzeau: what do you mean? |
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| 14:10.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't find your nm app or your account |
| 14:10.10 | wols_ | earthian: zeroconf is some network autoconfig thingamajjig. and from the looks of it uses dhcp always |
| 14:10.13 | tarzeau | bahadunn: you're probably right, but why do you think so? |
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| 14:10.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: so? |
| 14:10.24 | jahshua | Linux aem 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:10.35 | wols_ | dragonriot: overwrite the first sector of each of your disks with "0" |
| 14:10.36 | jahshua | is it necessary for to upgrade to 686? |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: so i thought you were quitting |
| 14:10.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian has more users than developers. debian has more maintainers than developers. |
| 14:10.47 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I think you like packaging and you have many packages you maintain already |
| 14:10.55 | wols_ | dragonriot: after a reboot ther are no more RAID anything |
| 14:11.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok |
| 14:11.10 | earthian | my computer IS a dhcp server :S |
| 14:11.11 | wols_ | jahshua: not necessary |
| 14:11.17 | dragonriot | wols_... the first sector as in, the first partition of each disk, or the first sector of each partition of each disk? |
| 14:11.20 | stew | tarzeau: export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches ; quilt new <patchname> ; quilt edit file ... ; repeat quilt new / quit edit ass needed |
| 14:11.23 | tarzeau | stew: if you want i give you the url with the thing, it's about freebasic |
| 14:11.34 | tarzeau | stew: i know about that. my issue is another, the new lines |
| 14:11.48 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I use git for my stuff |
| 14:11.49 | abrotman | dos2unix ? |
| 14:11.53 | wols_ | dragonriot: read again. this time more carefully |
| 14:11.55 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I like it |
| 14:12.00 | wols_ | I often mean what I type |
| 14:12.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: well that's what i use, but combine it with quilt |
| 14:12.08 | bahadunn | tarzeau: never used quilt though |
| 14:12.12 | boodie | A question - I have an AMD64 with etch if I changed all my quotes to "stable" repositories in sources.lis, would it cause any problem? |
| 14:12.20 | wols_ | boodie: no |
| 14:12.50 | abrotman | boodie: nope |
| 14:12.50 | tarzeau | stew: if you want to try, go ahead: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/freebasic/clean/libfreebasic_0.16b-1.dsc |
| 14:12.50 | wols_ | boodie: except security.debian.org perhaps. dunno if they finally did it right |
| 14:12.50 | dragonriot | wols_... yes... the first sector of each disk... ok |
| 14:12.50 | dragonriot | thanks |
| 14:12.51 | jahshua | ok, thanks wols. |
| 14:12.51 | tarzeau | bahadunn: and dpatch? i wasn't able to do it with dpatch either ;) |
| 14:12.54 | stew | tarzeau: lookin... |
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| 14:13.02 | bahadunn | boodie: but in years to come stable will change on you to lenny for example |
| 14:13.14 | bahadunn | tarzeau: do what with dpatch? |
| 14:13.14 | tarzeau | stew: it might be the .bk one |
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| 14:13.23 | tarzeau | bahadunn: work around this dos2unix newlines |
| 14:13.25 | wikkii | Hello |
| 14:13.43 | tarzeau | bahadunn: somehow i think i have a problem with those dos new lines , patch/diff and dpatch (or quilt) |
| 14:13.47 | bahadunn | tarzeau: how does dos represent new lines? |
| 14:13.53 | tarzeau | bahadunn: like windows :) |
| 14:13.53 | wikkii | I wanna download the lastest debian version for i386 , which one is the lastest version? |
| 14:13.56 | bahadunn | tarzeau: \n\r or something? |
| 14:14.04 | tarzeau | bahadunn: or \r\n, i newer know |
| 14:14.05 | wols_ | wikkii: etch |
| 14:14.05 | boodie | Hum ; I am downloading from security.debian.org - but the lines in sources.list in the apt-howto are confusing ... |
| 14:14.07 | tarzeau | never |
| 14:14.12 | bahadunn | tarzeau: yeah I know but its like a newline and form feed or something |
| 14:14.15 | tarzeau | bahadunn: and configure stumbles upon them |
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| 14:14.22 | tenco | can't see what's wrong here. works with startx and xinit and ~/.Xresources & ~/.Xdefaults are readable |
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| 14:14.27 | tarzeau | bahadunn: and mac has it the other way around |
| 14:14.27 | bahadunn | tarzeau: so you are trying to convert some dos thing to unix with just \n? |
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| 14:14.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: dos2unix or unix2dos ? |
| 14:14.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: the upstream version is developped on windows/dos |
| 14:14.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: so dos2unix, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/freebasic/clean/libfreebasic-0.16b.bk/debian/rules |
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| 14:14.56 | stew | tarzeau: the .orig.tar.gz doesn't match the .dsc |
| 14:15.03 | tarzeau | stew: it matches the .bk one |
| 14:15.05 | wols_ | I need to convert word .doc files on the console to pdf. any suggestions what to use? |
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| 14:15.42 | stew | tarzeau: /debian/freebasic/clean/libfreebasic-0.16b.bk ? |
| 14:15.45 | bahadunn | tarzeau: so you are trying to convert some dos thing to unix with just \n? |
| 14:15.47 | tarzeau | stew: yes |
| 14:15.56 | tarzeau | bahadunn: no, it's portable and works |
| 14:15.58 | stew | tarzeau: i dont' see a debian/patches |
| 14:16.02 | tarzeau | bahadunn: but look at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/freebasic/clean/libfreebasic-0.16b.bk/debian/rules |
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| 14:16.21 | tarzeau | stew: yeah those are at some different place because i didn't get them to work at all |
| 14:16.32 | bahadunn | tarzeau: whats wrong with it? |
| 14:16.33 | tarzeau | stew: see http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/freebasic/clean/ the test and quilt directories |
| 14:16.46 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i can't get that converted into something using quilt or dpatch |
| 14:16.54 | tarzeau | bahadunn: that would also work |
| 14:17.02 | bahadunn | tarzeau: why not? |
| 14:17.13 | tarzeau | bahadunn: because i hate dpatch and quilt |
| 14:17.30 | bahadunn | tarzeau: but why can't you get it converted? |
| 14:17.31 | tarzeau | bahadunn: really because diff and patch don't really care about newlines? not sure |
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| 14:17.42 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i don't know, can you try and find out? |
| 14:17.58 | bahadunn | tarzeau: but I do not understand what the problem is |
| 14:18.16 | wikkii | I wanna download the lastest debian version for i386 , which one is the lastest version? |
| 14:18.21 | bahadunn | tarzeau: except that it has something to do with newlines |
| 14:18.23 | Szeraax | current |
| 14:18.24 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i can't get the package to build after applying my patches with dpatch |
| 14:18.27 | Ronin | wikkii: etch/current/4.0 |
| 14:18.39 | tarzeau | bahadunn: and the clean target can't undo the dpatch stuff |
| 14:19.09 | bahadunn | tarzeau: ah |
| 14:19.24 | bahadunn | tarzeau: do you get errors? |
| 14:19.25 | Szeraax | is there a way to get other os-es into grub? i tried update-grub but that only gets my deb os and not my other linux nor my windows... |
| 14:19.37 | tarzeau | bahadunn: yes |
| 14:19.41 | bzed | tarzeau: did you read the examples in /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples/rules/ ? |
| 14:19.46 | xand | Szeraax: there is but not sure how |
| 14:19.52 | tarzeau | bzed: yes, i do have packages using dpatch |
| 14:20.01 | tarzeau | bzed: but this one here has a problem with the newlines |
| 14:20.11 | Szeraax | i know that grub when you do update looks in boot for other vmlinuz |
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| 14:20.16 | bahadunn | tarzeau: you could write a script to fix newlines |
| 14:20.22 | tarzeau | maybe it's just me messing up with the order of fixing newlines and patching |
| 14:20.22 | Szeraax | and puts those in |
| 14:20.34 | tarzeau | bahadunn: well no, that doesn't work because of how patch/diff works |
| 14:20.37 | Szeraax | and should also get windows too, but... |
| 14:20.41 | bzed | tarzeau: use dpatch-edit-patch, apply the patch manually? |
| 14:20.50 | tarzeau | bzed: what about you do it? and i test it? |
| 14:20.53 | troubled | bahadunn: msdos tools has a conv proggy |
| 14:21.19 | tarzeau | because when we have freebasic in debian, we can run all qbasic programs! and there's many of them! some really great games too! |
| 14:21.21 | troubled | hmm, well, perhaps not that package, but there is one out there :) im sure someone will correct me shortly |
| 14:21.44 | abrotman | Szeraax: google "debian grub windows howto" |
| 14:21.46 | bzed | tarzeau: sure. I like to do paid work |
| 14:21.48 | tarzeau | stew: if you want to work on it, i can fix the .dsc... yes/no? |
| 14:22.00 | Szeraax | lol, fine... |
| 14:22.00 | tarzeau | bzed: what about 30 euro? |
| 14:22.06 | tarzeau | bzed: i've got paypal |
| 14:22.29 | troubled | tarzeau: lol, you sellin yourself cheap on irc? :) |
| 14:22.41 | tarzeau | troubled: no, i just want something done for 30 euro |
| 14:22.57 | troubled | tarzeau: what you need done? |
| 14:23.06 | bahadunn | tarzeau: if I knew more about dpatch etc... I would do it for free |
| 14:23.08 | tarzeau | troubled: have libfreebasic be built with quilt |
| 14:23.11 | bzed | tarzeau: you could have that if you'd read the examples |
| 14:23.31 | troubled | tempting :) |
| 14:23.41 | wikkii | Ronin isn't beta? |
| 14:23.49 | troubled | heck, i would learn a whole programming lanugage for 20 euros :) |
| 14:23.50 | abrotman | Ronin: get it figured out ? |
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| 14:23.53 | Ronin | wikkii: no, it went stable this weekend |
| 14:23.55 | bzed | tarzeau: including the dpatch part and adding patch and unpatch at the right places is not really complicated |
| 14:24.06 | tarzeau | bzed: just tell me yes i do it or no i won't. if it's a yes, you tell me your paypal account and we set a timetable plan |
| 14:24.08 | Ronin | abrotman: dont know, didn't try this morning, i may just leave well enough alone :) |
| 14:24.18 | tarzeau | bzed: as i said, that's not the issue |
| 14:24.26 | tenco | are there any xorg channels on freenode? |
| 14:24.29 | Thms_ | what's new about lenny ? |
| 14:24.29 | bzed | tarzeau: I do debian stuff for free if I have the time for it |
| 14:24.35 | Ronin | !lenny |
| 14:24.35 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. |
| 14:24.43 | bzed | tarzeau: but actually I don;t have the time for it |
| 14:24.44 | wikkii | Ronin thank i'm going to download it |
| 14:24.46 | tarzeau | bzed: the thing is i don't patch anything, it's all autogenerated stuff |
| 14:24.50 | bahadunn | tarzeau: link to quilt info? |
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| 14:25.01 | Thms_ | we still can't download lenny or now we can . |
| 14:25.02 | Thms_ | ? |
| 14:25.06 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i've read some, the quilt /usr/share/doc/quilt/ in debian is all info i could find |
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| 14:25.21 | tarzeau | bahadunn: sam said he'll write a tutorial on it... |
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| 14:25.26 | tarzeau | Thms_: no we can't |
| 14:25.34 | bzed | tarzeau: well what's the problem then? |
| 14:25.39 | bahadunn | tarzeau: ok I look at quilt now |
| 14:25.40 | wikkii | Ronin i can't find the iso cd for a i386 :< |
| 14:25.42 | kuba_ | hi all |
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| 14:26.05 | bzed | tarzeau: quilt is a bit better than dpatch, btu I prefer dpatch for small issues |
| 14:26.05 | tarzeau | bzed: upstream has a configure file with dos new lines |
| 14:26.15 | Thms_ | tarzeau: ok thanks |
| 14:26.21 | abrotman | Ronin: ah ok |
| 14:26.28 | tarzeau | bzed: can you look at the source package? |
| 14:26.31 | bzed | tarzeau: doesn't recode do the job? |
| 14:26.45 | tarzeau | bzed: no it doesn't. well it does without dpatch/quilt like patch systems |
| 14:26.46 | troubled | tarzeau: theres a program to convert lines from dos->unix you know |
| 14:27.26 | tarzeau | troubled: yes i know, that's what i do: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/freebasic/clean/libfreebasic-0.16b.bk/debian/rules |
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| 14:27.26 | fq | #!/bin/bash |
| 14:27.26 | fq | x=`sort < days_of_week` |
| 14:27.27 | fq | echo $x 1> result |
| 14:27.27 | tarzeau | troubled: look at the configure target |
| 14:27.27 | wikkii | Ronin do you have a link ? |
| 14:27.27 | troubled | sec |
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| 14:27.40 | enouf | wols_: anyone suggest anything yet? .. perhaps you may want antiword, then take that output and covert to pdf (pdf2text, vice-versa?) |
| 14:27.42 | wols_ | wikkii: there are none. you install etch and upgrade |
| 14:27.44 | troubled | ah k |
| 14:27.45 | bahadunn | tarzeau: what about taking the source package and converting it from dos newlines to unix newlines and then patching/building etc...? |
| 14:27.51 | tarzeau | fq: and days_of_week is what? |
| 14:28.00 | wols_ | enouf: no one has :( |
| 14:28.04 | bzed | tarzeau: I'd make a backup the files and move the backup over the file in the clean: part |
| 14:28.06 | wikkii | wols_ what is etch ? |
| 14:28.09 | enouf | wols_: ugh |
| 14:28.13 | fq | tarzeau: a file with days of week:) |
| 14:28.15 | enouf | !etch |
| 14:28.16 | tarzeau | bahadunn: well that's not ok i think, for debian or my sponsor |
| 14:28.16 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 14:28.17 | Ronin | wikkii: etch is stable |
| 14:28.24 | wols_ | enouf: only thing I found so far via google needs the whole openoffice 1.1 installed and works viy Python-UNO bridge.... |
| 14:28.24 | bahadunn | tarzeau: why not? |
| 14:28.31 | wikkii | !install debian |
| 14:28.31 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 14:28.32 | tarzeau | bzed: i don't think that's allowed either |
| 14:28.38 | bzed | tarzeau: it is |
| 14:28.40 | enouf | wols_: figures |
| 14:28.41 | tarzeau | bahadunn: because how it is now, it works and is not ok either :) |
| 14:28.52 | bzed | tarzeau: the best thing would be to fix the build system in upstream, though |
| 14:28.53 | tarzeau | bzed: then if you ever get time and want 30 euro you know what to do |
| 14:29.03 | tarzeau | bzed: it'll happen, but we can't control it |
| 14:29.04 | wols_ | enouf: pf2tohtml and such is easy. but nothing creates pdf itself it seems |
| 14:29.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: you have to |
| 14:29.37 | bzed | tarzeau: as I said before: I don;t do stuff for debian for 30 EUR, I do it for free. and even for 30 EUR I won;t ahve the time to do so now |
| 14:29.41 | wikkii | Ronin thank you i'm downloading it |
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| 14:29.55 | enouf | wols_: i know antiwod can view .doc files, but don't know much more .. played very little with pstoedit (IINM), but not too much really .. ws trying to convert a ps to pdf, and it looks funky :-( .. but i didn't really try hard |
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| 14:30.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have to do what? |
| 14:30.08 | enouf | wols_: erm antiword* |
| 14:30.52 | bzed | tarzeau: you could also use dpatch. get used to dpatch-edit-patch, run it, recode the files within it, and you're done |
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| 14:31.01 | tarzeau | it's one of the packages that i really want to see in debian, besides bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 14:31.03 | bzed | tarzeau: integrating dpatch is easy, look at the examples |
| 14:31.15 | tarzeau | bzed: i've got dpatch in supertransball2 |
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| 14:31.57 | troubled | ahoy maties! root has landed! |
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| 14:32.10 | aFlag | hm, which filesystem do you guys advise? I used to use reiserfs, but I'm kinda unsure about its future |
| 14:32.22 | troubled | aFlag: ext2/3 100% |
| 14:32.23 | tarzeau | aFlag: ext3 |
| 14:32.23 | bzed | aFlag: ext3 |
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| 14:32.54 | enouf | wols_: antiword - Converts MS Word files to text and ps |
| 14:33.02 | aFlag | hm, cool :) |
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| 14:33.19 | analfabeta | hi, where i find a documentation to make a virtual package? |
| 14:33.27 | bzed | aFlag: ext4 is on the way which will replace ext3 silently :) |
| 14:33.41 | tarzeau | analfabeta: a meta package? |
| 14:33.42 | wols_ | enouf: thanks. |
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| 14:33.54 | troubled | aFlag: plus theres online resize if you enable it during fs creation now. and dir_index if you really need it. plus ext has better chattr support than resiser |
| 14:33.56 | analfabeta | tarzeau: yes, i guess |
| 14:34.04 | tarzeau | analfabeta: put it in provides: ? no there really exist virtual packages |
| 14:34.06 | jelly | bzed: (Re: ext4) huh? |
| 14:34.09 | tarzeau | analfabeta: what do you really want to do? |
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| 14:34.37 | aFlag | troubled: that's in ext4 or ext3? |
| 14:34.41 | tarzeau | bzed: i've even got dpatch for dillo |
| 14:34.44 | troubled | aFlag: ext2/3 |
| 14:34.54 | troubled | i dont know anything about ext4 sry |
| 14:34.58 | troubled | !ext4 |
| 14:34.59 | dpkg | i guess ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with ext3, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. |
| 14:35.06 | jelly | aFlag: online resize and dir_index are in ext3. |
| 14:35.12 | analfabeta | tarzeau: make a .deb with more packages and your configurations importants to my instalation, samba, ldap, some tools etc |
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| 14:35.19 | troubled | hmm, doubt ill have a pb of storage anytime this decade |
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| 14:35.44 | troubled | s/pb/eb/ |
| 14:35.47 | ManuP | etch is now marked as staple. do i have to edit sources.lst? |
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| 14:36.11 | tarzeau | analfabeta: i'd use dphys-config or cfengine(2) to do the configuration stuff |
| 14:36.25 | viqas | i need to master cfengine :/ |
| 14:36.30 | viqas | so much to do so little time:( |
| 14:36.41 | troubled | cold fusion? |
| 14:36.47 | tarzeau | analfabeta: the problem about a package with just a large dependency list is that whenever you want to change anything, it gets messy |
| 14:36.51 | analfabeta | tarzeau: but, i'll have a only one .deb ? i need add this in my intern mirror |
| 14:37.15 | tarzeau | analfabeta: do you not have some list that you process yourself to install software? |
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| 14:37.26 | tarzeau | ManuP: depends if you have sarge or stable in your sources.list |
| 14:38.16 | enouf | wols_: besides the other various ps??? and pdf??? tools/utils, i noticed this a while back http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ <-- it's in debian ;-) |
| 14:38.29 | ManuP | tarzeau, i have in the sources.list etch main |
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| 14:38.53 | analfabeta | tarzeau: yes, but it is for my dummies users... they will install some like: aptitude install debian-integration and that will content all packages i need |
| 14:39.02 | ManuP | tarzeau, no sarge |
| 14:39.14 | tarzeau | ManuP: and you already have etch? |
| 14:39.22 | nachox | guys, what would happen if i do not change stable to sarge in my sources.list and run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade? would it actually update anything or fail? |
| 14:39.34 | tarzeau | analfabeta: i see... well have a look at meta-gnome, meta-kde or meta-gnustep package for example |
| 14:39.40 | ManuP | tarzeau, i installed etch two month ago when it still was testing. |
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| 14:39.52 | tarzeau | analfabeta: apt-get source meta-gnustep .. you can then remove all other packages in debian/control and run debuild to build the package |
| 14:39.58 | roe | when etch was moved to stable there were still 60 or so release critical bugs, how can I track those bug fixes |
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| 14:40.01 | analfabeta | tarzeau: yes, is that what i want, but i dont know how i do that package... |
| 14:40.21 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: Have a couple boxes that have been tracking etch. Now after release, should i wait a bit before thinking of a dist-upgrade? or is Lenny already usable? |
| 14:40.22 | roe | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ <-- is showing the new testing bugs |
| 14:40.26 | tarzeau | roe: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ ? |
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| 14:41.06 | wols_ | enouf: i need it all on a shared hosting account. which is running linux but probably not debian :( |
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| 14:41.15 | wols_ | but being in debian means it's Free so it's good |
| 14:41.18 | tarzeau | analfabeta: yes that's what you want, but really wait, if it's just one package |
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| 14:41.28 | tarzeau | analfabeta: why not just tell them to aptitude install yourpackage ? |
| 14:41.39 | enouf | wols_: right .. gpl'd it says there |
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| 14:42.06 | tarzeau | analfabeta: try www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ ? |
| 14:42.06 | wols_ | right now the user has to look ont he website for a auto incrementing number. put that in his word doc, print the doc to pdf and upload that |
| 14:42.10 | analfabeta | tarzeau: because is many packages and needs configurations to work... |
| 14:42.29 | wols_ | on the website I hand out the pdf for download and extract the pictures and some text from the pdf and display it |
| 14:42.34 | nachox | anyone? |
| 14:42.57 | wols_ | so I hoped the user could upload the word doc only, I fill in the number and convert to pdf and extract the pictures. more automation |
| 14:42.58 | enouf | wols_: wish i could help you further :-( |
| 14:43.17 | Nemoder | nachox: you'll want to run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:43.47 | troubled | nachox: whats in your sources now? sarge _or_ stable? or both? |
| 14:43.53 | enouf | wols_: you might get a few bites over in ##linux believe it or not .. more windonts users |
| 14:44.12 | nachox | Nemoder: i do not want to upgrade yet, but i want to know if it will fail and how, i have only stable |
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| 14:45.22 | Nemoder | I don't think it can cope with a regular update |
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| 14:45.28 | wols_ | nachox: the only way is to try on an identical machine. no other way |
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| 14:46.11 | nachox | wols_: i thought it would be a documented behaviour |
| 14:46.13 | wols_ | nachox: you do know that sarge is oldstable, right? |
| 14:46.18 | troubled | nachox: if you have "stable" in your sources, then dist-upgrade WILL upgrade your system to etch obviously. You should switch all occurances of "stable" with ""sarge" if you wish to stay with sarge |
| 14:46.20 | wols_ | nachox: what would? |
| 14:46.29 | enouf | !tell nachox about nie |
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| 14:46.54 | Nemoder | troubled: I think what he is asking is what actually happens if you do a regular update and not dist-upgrade |
| 14:47.02 | Tuxedo | hi |
| 14:47.05 | Tuxedo | everyone |
| 14:47.07 | troubled | Nemoder: ahh, k |
| 14:47.11 | Szeraax | hi |
| 14:47.25 | Tuxedo | hi szerrax |
| 14:47.33 | enouf | nachox: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:47.45 | nachox | troubled: yes, that i know, i want to know what would happen if i dont change the sources.list file and issue an update upgrade |
| 14:48.04 | ReinH | How is debian on laptops? Good hardware support? What about wireless? |
| 14:48.04 | troubled | nachox: you would get the latest versions of everything |
| 14:48.15 | Szeraax | for me its great |
| 14:48.15 | ReinH | any good resources I can check out? |
| 14:48.17 | troubled | nachox: dist-upgrade also removes obsolete stuff as well |
| 14:48.28 | Szeraax | irc is a good one |
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| 14:48.42 | Szeraax | people can generally give help or point to detailed instruction |
| 14:48.42 | redduck666 | ReinH: hardware support is not a distro thingy, it is a kernel thingy. |
| 14:48.45 | ReinH | Szeraax: :) |
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| 14:49.04 | ReinH | redduck666: ok then. How is the kernel's hardware support? |
| 14:49.07 | nachox | troubled: so it would basically update and possibly break things, thanks, that's what i wanted to know |
| 14:49.13 | ReinH | ;) |
| 14:49.20 | redduck666 | ReinH: the same as in every other distro :-) |
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| 14:49.48 | Szeraax | its wonderful |
| 14:49.48 | ReinH | redduck666: :p ty |
| 14:49.52 | troubled | nachox: basically yes. always a chance stuff breaks when you upgrade as usual |
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| 14:50.13 | fireba11 | nachox : biggest potential for breaks is a config that is not compatible with a new version of the package getting installed |
| 14:50.17 | Szeraax | sometime acpi or other integrated things are kinda annoying, but i have always been able to get them working |
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| 14:50.27 | redduck666 | ReinH: most of the todays wireless devices i've seen in laptops work with linux, if that is what you wanted to know |
| 14:50.38 | ReinH | redduck666: good enough mate, thanks |
| 14:52.03 | ReinH | time to bring the light of debian to my poor windows laptop |
| 14:52.03 | troubled | nachox: put it this way, if this were a windows box, you probably know that the whole industry always recommends you stay faaaar away from the latest win OS for a year or so until it settles down and sp1 comes out. debian is not much diff |
| 14:52.04 | fireba11 | troubled: i disagree .. ^^ |
| 14:52.04 | ReinH | fireba11: yeah, vista ftw. er. |
| 14:52.04 | nachox | troubled: yeah, i know, that is why i am not updatng for some more time, at least not my production server |
| 14:52.38 | Nemoder | nachox: sarge will continue to get security updates for awhile longer |
| 14:52.39 | troubled | fireba11: i suppose it depends on your usage :) a dev should be developing for the new system months before its release, but someone who needs stability should probably let any new product get mass tested first. |
| 14:52.39 | ReinH | nachox: not updating to what? I run etch on my server, haven't had a bit of trouble. |
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| 14:53.25 | fireba11 | troubled: i'm using etch on a couple boxes for month now .. ^^ |
| 14:53.29 | redduck666 | ReinH: migration from sarge to etch wasn't pain free :/ |
| 14:53.31 | rusyo | Hi, How can I use host or dig that does not ignore /etc/hosts files? ping etc works, but host or dig ignores my /etc/hosts, any idea?? |
| 14:53.40 | nachox | ReinH: sarge is not broken in any way, it is very stable and does it's job, i will not update what is not broken |
| 14:53.54 | Nemoder | redduck666: what problems did you run into? |
| 14:54.04 | enouf | it's the actual upgrading process that can break things .. nothing like that redmond POS though |
| 14:54.06 | tarzeau | rusyo: host is to query nameservers. hosts is not a nameserver |
| 14:54.16 | troubled | fireba11: im sure some ppl have been using sid since debian existed too, but that doesnt mean its for the general masses |
| 14:54.25 | redduck666 | Nemoder: there is no mod-auth-mysql in ethc for one |
| 14:54.38 | enouf | nachox: IINM. Sarge will be supported for atleast another 6 months |
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| 14:54.47 | ReinH | nachox: not saying sarge is broken, just letting you know of my experience with etch |
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| 14:54.52 | enouf | read read raed |
| 14:55.06 | rusyo | any idea? |
| 14:55.10 | fireba11 | troubled : maybe i should point out that i had no problems related to etch .. not even on the two boxes i upgraded in december from sarge |
| 14:55.14 | enouf | !any ideas |
| 14:55.14 | redduck666 | Nemoder: amavids-new as well as courier are throwing me some errors that i haven't gotten around to fix |
| 14:55.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:55.18 | nachox | enouf: that means i have 6 more months to plan a tidy upgrade |
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| 14:55.33 | enouf | nachox: sure ..if you like |
| 14:55.46 | troubled | fireba11: and i suppose you have all 10000+ packages installed on those two boxes? :) |
| 14:56.00 | rusyo | tarzeau: so it not possible? |
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| 14:56.14 | twobitsprite | so... I figured out why my system was "freezing" on me... I think it has something to do with the USB mouse/keyboard... whenever the mouse/keyboard stop responding, if I unplug them and plug them back in, they start working again... |
| 14:56.20 | twobitsprite | any idea what might cause this? |
| 14:56.38 | tarzeau | rusyo: you can do getent hosts |grep whatever |
| 14:56.41 | fireba11 | troubled : of course not, but that's not the point |
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| 14:56.49 | troubled | twobitsprite: power management related perhaps? |
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| 14:56.56 | enouf | rusyo: apologies, didn't see you did somewhat explain your issue .. i suck at networking though :-/ |
| 14:56.58 | tarzeau | rusyo: you can do getent hosts whatever |
| 14:57.05 | tarzeau | rusyo: and it'll query hosts and dns i think, not sure |
| 14:57.19 | troubled | fireba11: no, but what i said had something to do with my point :) |
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| 14:57.38 | wols_ | enouf: found wv. it's a "word viewer". and has a wvPDF binary..hmmm. |
| 14:57.44 | nachox | well, let me clarify my thoughts, the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade now is that the later will remove unused crap if i dont change my sources.list right? |
| 14:57.48 | wols_ | just need TeX so I'm installing texlive right now |
| 14:57.51 | enouf | hrmm ;-) wols_ |
| 14:58.05 | maarten2 | Good afternoon |
| 14:58.19 | twobitsprite | troubled: I have noapci and acpi=off |
| 14:58.27 | twobitsprite | er, noapic |
| 14:58.32 | maarten2 | I hope you don't mind I am interrupting... I see a message of nachox about tex, upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 14:58.52 | maarten2 | nachox, are you having troubles dist-upgrading to Etch? |
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| 14:59.20 | troubled | twobitsprite: was just a suggestion. sounded like they were timing out somehow. and pm would be my first place to look. other than that, gl with it ;) |
| 14:59.33 | twobitsprite | troubled: heh, thanks |
| 14:59.51 | scanf | anyone good with v4l can help with kino crashing? |
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| 15:00.04 | nachox | maarten2: nope, i basically wanted to know what would happen if i issue an update upgrade without modifying my sources.list file which now points to stable |
| 15:00.18 | maarten2 | uhuh |
| 15:00.20 | maarten2 | okey |
| 15:00.22 | maarten2 | thanks |
| 15:00.32 | maarten2 | well, I did the dist-upgrade |
| 15:00.40 | enouf | wols_: you did a apt-cache show wv .. yup? .. --> Note that conversion to DVI, PostScript, or PDF requires the tetex-extra |
| 15:00.40 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.48 | Wyzard | nachox: The difference is that upgrade will never remove packages, and will hold back packages that can't be upgraded due to dependency conflicts with other packages you have installed; dist-upgrade is willing to remove packages if necessary to satisfy new dependencies |
| 15:01.00 | maarten2 | and now a couple of packaging scripts doesn't work; they complain about mktemp not being found |
| 15:01.13 | nachox | Wyzard: :) thanks |
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| 15:01.26 | ericP | quickie question for a python dilettante: what debian package provides python's xml.xpath ? |
| 15:01.43 | maarten2 | however, the debian package mktemp is installed |
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| 15:01.49 | Nemoder | Wyzard: can aptitude handle dist-upgrade or must it be done with apt-get directly? |
| 15:01.51 | maarten2 | does anyone have a clue? |
| 15:02.30 | enouf | !upvsdistup |
| 15:02.33 | dpkg | somebody said upvsdistup was The difference is that upgrade will never remove packages, and will hold back packages that can't be upgraded due to dependency conflicts with other packages you have installed; dist-upgrade is willing to remove packages if necessary to satisfy new dependencies. |
| 15:02.45 | enouf | Wyzard: ;-) |
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| 15:03.04 | Wyzard | Nemoder: I've never tried it from the command line, but aptitude's interactive-mode upgrade command (press 'U' to mark all available upgrades for installation) is similar to a dist-upgrade |
| 15:03.14 | Nemoder | Wyzard: ok thanks |
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| 15:03.57 | troubled | Nemoder: i would find it hard to believe that the debian team would recommend aptitude over everything else if it didnt support something as basic as dist-upgrade :) |
| 15:04.10 | enouf | Nemoder: aptitude handles dependencies by itself ... you can install aptitude-doc-<$LANG> for an html doc/manual |
| 15:04.16 | Nemoder | troubled: me too, but I didn't see a specific option for it in the menu |
| 15:04.39 | troubled | Nemoder: ahh, well that may be true, but it should support it via command line |
| 15:04.51 | archville | who should i ping to backport a patch (for a bug in gedit) in testing ? |
| 15:05.22 | xand | archville: things will move into testing over time |
| 15:05.26 | troubled | archville: bugs.debian.org/gedit? |
| 15:05.27 | xand | from unstable |
| 15:05.29 | wols_ | !tell archville bout bto |
| 15:05.51 | archville | thanks |
| 15:05.55 | wols_ | !tell arc |
| 15:05.59 | wols_ | aw shucks |
| 15:06.00 | enouf | i installed a few pkgs (i'm on testing/sid) , and I got this error about gpg; |
| 15:06.01 | enouf | gpg: Signature made Tue 27 Feb 2007 02:15:34 PM EST using DSA key ID 7F4E0E11 |
| 15:06.01 | enouf | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 15:06.08 | hark | bto? |
| 15:06.17 | enouf | should I just add that key? |
| 15:06.18 | troubled | enouf: try recv-key? |
| 15:06.19 | wols_ | hark: ignore me. best for all of us :) |
| 15:06.24 | troubled | yes |
| 15:06.26 | enouf | not yet troubled |
| 15:06.29 | enouf | ok |
| 15:06.37 | hark | oh, ah heh |
| 15:06.54 | troubled | assuming you trust your network there should be no reason to avoid it. but there is issue of trust model etc. |
| 15:07.05 | troubled | !mitm |
| 15:07.05 | dpkg | i heard mitm is monkey-in-the-middle, http://www.vandyke.com/solutions/ssh_overview/ssh_overview_threats.html |
| 15:07.48 | hark | heh |
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| 15:07.56 | troubled | only your isp can fsck you up the a$$ when it comes to keys, so your somewhat safe to trust it i guess (/me spits on .gov/.isp's) |
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| 15:08.15 | archville | well, bug is filled on bugs.debian.org/gedit and marked as fixed in gedit 2.18 |
| 15:08.25 | archville | is there a way to update just gedit to 2.18 in testing ? |
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| 15:08.34 | maarten2 | did anybody have problems when dist-upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 15:08.37 | troubled | archville: ask dpkg about pinning |
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| 15:08.46 | archville | troubled, ok |
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| 15:08.51 | wols_ | enouf: wvPDF is awful. totally garbles everything |
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| 15:09.00 | enouf | wols_: ouch |
| 15:09.02 | stew | maarten2: why do you ask? |
| 15:09.18 | PupUser2c276c | good day room |
| 15:09.27 | Nemoder | my upgrade just finished without any noticable problems |
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| 15:09.51 | maarten2 | stew: well, I dist-upgraded, but the finishing process complains about "mktemp: command not found" |
| 15:09.58 | maarten2 | however, the debian package mktemp is installed |
| 15:10.08 | PupUser2c276c | finally got puppy working perfectly |
| 15:10.13 | inFw | Where can I find an example sources.list to upgrade from sarge to etch and another to use after the upgrade is finished? |
| 15:10.15 | maarten2 | and it seems to break several scripts |
| 15:10.22 | Ronin | PupUser2c276c: almost working, you missed your mark though :) |
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| 15:10.45 | PupUser2c276c | you might be right ronin |
| 15:10.56 | Ronin | inFw: if it says stable now just do an upgrade, if not change sarge to stable or etch |
| 15:11.40 | troubled | inFw: wha? you realise that if you upgraded, then you must have had the proper dist settings in place already right? |
| 15:11.41 | PupUser2c276c | atleast my ati video card tv out is working, tried over 20 distros and puppy worked, even myah os didn't work |
| 15:11.45 | troubled | !paradox |
| 15:11.52 | troubled | :( |
| 15:12.02 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: please try #puppylinux |
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| 15:12.21 | maarten2 | stew: any clue? :S |
| 15:12.22 | stew | maarten2: aptitude install mktemp |
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| 15:12.41 | PupUser2c276c | why abrotman puppy uses debian packages also |
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| 15:12.52 | Ronin | PupUser2c276c: doesnt matter, its not debian |
| 15:13.00 | stew | PupUser2c276c: we don't support anything but debian here |
| 15:13.03 | Ronin | we cant help as we dont know what theyve done/changed etc. |
| 15:13.26 | maarten2 | stew: it says some packages aren't needed anymore, so I agree to remove them; but how could I've known this? apt-get install mktemp tells me it is installed |
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| 15:13.40 | troubled | PupUser2c276c: as much as i understand your view, they do have good point |
| 15:13.59 | enouf | troubled: ok .. works .. a /msg dpkg 2006 key gives the exact command to use ;-) .. thing is though |
| 15:14.06 | stew | maarten2: does /bin/mktemp exist? |
| 15:14.17 | stew | maarten2: (you shouldn't need to know this, mktemp is a required package) |
| 15:14.21 | bonez39 | What might be causing this error >> Setting up apache-perl (1.3.34-4.1) ... Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading... Syntax error on line 329 of /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf: <Directory not allowed here |
| 15:14.36 | enouf | no expiration date given .. as seen in others from a apt-key list output |
| 15:14.37 | maarten2 | stew: /bin/mktemp does not exist, neither somewhere else in $PATH |
| 15:14.37 | enouf | pub 1024D/7F4E0E11 1998-08-20 |
| 15:14.38 | PupUser2c276c | hmmm okay guys , i'll go , i know when i'm not needed, see ya :-[:-/ |
| 15:14.50 | enouf | 1998 wha? O.o |
| 15:14.50 | troubled | enouf: gpg --recv-key XXXXXXXXX should be enough. but thats not apt-key though. just a matter of gpg .... | apt-key - though (with few options of course) |
| 15:14.59 | stew | maarten2: something must have deleted it then, "aptitude reinstall mktemp" |
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| 15:15.11 | stew | maarten2: s/something/someone/ |
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| 15:15.53 | enouf | troubled: I always installed using sudo, since I've sen some get all funky when doing some keys using root, or su - prior , so I ran gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 7F4E0E11 ; gpg --export 7F4E0E11 | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 15:16.12 | theclaw | hi there |
| 15:16.21 | viqas | hello theclaw |
| 15:16.22 | theclaw | hi viqas |
| 15:16.27 | tun9 | what's the name of the tool to check every system call (not strace) ? |
| 15:16.34 | enouf | troubled: do you know how i can see the whole hash?, not just the last 8 digits? |
| 15:16.37 | tun9 | ahh valgrind. |
| 15:16.38 | viqas | theclaw, how do you do |
| 15:16.38 | tun9 | hehe |
| 15:16.39 | tun9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.45 | theclaw | viqas: well, fine ;-) - and you? |
| 15:16.51 | maarten2 | stew: seems to be doing something, removing unchanged obsolete conffiles |
| 15:16.56 | viqas | theclaw, shopping for a wireless card for the gf.. |
| 15:17.04 | theclaw | viqas: gf? |
| 15:17.07 | viqas | theclaw, her notebook is from the stone age... |
| 15:17.11 | viqas | theclaw, the girlfriend |
| 15:17.11 | enouf | troubled: I've looked at the various manpages .. can't seem to find anything though in man apt-key, man gpg, etc |
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| 15:17.19 | tun9 | theclaw, you wouldn't know about it. |
| 15:17.20 | theclaw | viqas: btw, do i know you? (no offense) |
| 15:17.27 | viqas | theclaw, probably not |
| 15:17.33 | theclaw | okay, |
| 15:17.35 | tun9 | theclaw, gf -> girl friend. |
| 15:17.42 | theclaw | yep, didn't know that abv. |
| 15:17.44 | inFw | Ronin: i've changed the sources.list and haven't kept a backup :| newbie mistake.. now apt-get update complains about a server not having public key or something like that.. that's why I need an example sources.lisdt |
| 15:17.44 | maarten2 | Running fmtutil-sys. This may take some time... :D |
| 15:17.47 | troubled | enouf: you mean fingerprint it? |
| 15:17.57 | viqas | theclaw, its okay some people dont know what a girlfriend is :o |
| 15:18.00 | theclaw | hehehe |
| 15:18.08 | troubled | enouf: i dont have a box up to test, but gpg --fingerprint or something perhaps? |
| 15:18.12 | enouf | troubled: /msg dpkg 2006 key and you'll see what I mean about the legnth of key |
| 15:18.17 | enouf | er length* |
| 15:18.23 | tun9 | enouf, what check sum a package ? |
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| 15:18.27 | theclaw | where do i get information when gtk 2.10 will be available in sid? |
| 15:18.28 | troubled | enouf: gpg --edit-key XXXXXXXX should give you a cli to show the fingerp though |
| 15:18.35 | troubled | sec |
| 15:18.55 | enouf | tun9: huh? |
| 15:19.16 | tun9 | enouf, never mind. i thought you guys were discussion how to checksum a package. |
| 15:19.20 | tun9 | enouf, :) |
| 15:19.25 | theclaw | theres no bugreport regarding the release of 2.10, or what problems remain, or i simply don't find it |
| 15:19.32 | troubled | enouf: you shouldnt need that whole line, gpg will export if just fine if you specify the hash |
| 15:19.36 | enouf | tun9: no worries |
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| 15:20.04 | enouf | troubled: see 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F in the factoid? |
| 15:20.20 | enouf | troubled: instead of 8 digits, I'd like to se all those |
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| 15:20.29 | troubled | enouf: basically just use the same key id to export. i dont know what they put the full finger print in. to prevent duplicate hash's perhaps |
| 15:20.36 | enouf | last 8 alphanumerics actually |
| 15:20.58 | hark | theclaw: should be soon.. it's in experimental right now iirc |
| 15:21.11 | troubled | enouf: unless you have duplicates i wouldnt worry. as long as gpg can uniqly ident the key your fine |
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| 15:21.36 | edthefox | !sid |
| 15:21.37 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:21.49 | theclaw | hark: that means its only not in unstable yet because etch was released only yesterday? |
| 15:22.20 | edthefox | are there any developers here? |
| 15:22.32 | hark | theclaw: because of the freeze |
| 15:22.33 | enouf | troubled: no worries, I'll get it .. then I'll come back and letcha know ;-) thanks for your help so far |
| 15:23.07 | hark | theclaw: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.18-status.html |
| 15:23.09 | troubled | enouf: np, gl. gpg always fun :) |
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| 15:24.54 | theclaw | hark: yes, i meant the freeze |
| 15:25.00 | theclaw | hark: thanks |
| 15:25.39 | hark | np |
| 15:25.49 | enouf | troubled: heh ;-) gpg --fingerprint |
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| 15:25.59 | troubled | doh! i knew it! lol |
| 15:26.01 | Hoxzer | does somebody know how can I run program in fullscreen in twm? |
| 15:26.11 | enouf | troubled: and you said that earlier .. ;-) thanks mate |
| 15:26.17 | troubled | enouf: lucky guess :p |
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| 15:26.41 | enouf | troubled: I have trouble with terminology at times |
| 15:26.54 | troubled | you and me both! |
| 15:27.11 | wols_ | enouf: was your problem that it didn't put out graphics? |
| 15:27.19 | troubled | i know some many acronyms im starting to forget stuff |
| 15:27.40 | wols_ | enouf: with antiword I mean |
| 15:27.52 | ManuP | i wrote in a script file /etc/init.d/cupsys start at last line, but when i exec the script, cups isnt started. |
| 15:28.20 | enouf | man gpg had the info .. last time i looked, some months back, gues i was overwhelmed with it that i overlooked that option, cause i recallusing/trying --list-keys and --list-sigs |
| 15:28.24 | ManuP | i am using bash |
| 15:28.35 | enouf | s/recall using/ |
| 15:28.37 | wols_ | ManuP: are you root while running the script? |
| 15:29.01 | enouf | wols_: i never used it .. only heard about it |
| 15:29.11 | ManuP | wols_, yes |
| 15:29.22 | enouf | wols_: my issues were with pdftoedit and maybe pdftk |
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| 15:29.37 | enouf | wols_: sorry pstoedit |
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| 15:30.13 | enouf | wols_: though it's got a ton of CLI ooptions .. just pstoedit --help will need a pipe to less, just to view them all |
| 15:30.14 | ManuP | wols_, cups isnt started and i get no output at all. normally it says sth. like starting cups... done |
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| 15:30.56 | enouf | wols_: it just made the ps conversion to pdf fonts a bit fugly here and there (oversized in some places and such) |
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| 15:31.02 | tun9 | !pastebin |
| 15:31.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 15:32.22 | wols_ | I guess it's time to reboot to satisfy wine with the kernel it wants |
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| 15:33.25 | tun9 | ManuP, try http://channels.debian.net/paste/6027 |
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| 15:33.54 | tun9 | wols_, just for information why wouldn't you try vmware instead ? |
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| 15:34.01 | tun9 | bummer |
| 15:34.04 | tun9 | :( |
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| 15:36.10 | ManuP | tun9, what is that for? |
| 15:36.38 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: please, could you ping my port 6891? |
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| 15:36.46 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: or nmap it, please |
| 15:37.34 | ManuP | wols_, tun9 ah, i think i found my problem.. i used exec command1; exec command2... if i dont use exec and if i use && between commands it works |
| 15:37.35 | ManuP | *g* |
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| 15:38.02 | ManuP | another user too silly problem |
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| 15:39.13 | tun9 | ManuP, ok fine. ;) |
| 15:40.11 | tun9 | !beer everyone |
| 15:40.47 | tun9 | dpkg, silly bot |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | :) |
| 15:40.57 | Mazingaro | dpkg: :) good |
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| 15:42.00 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: what ip? |
| 15:42.13 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: mine |
| 15:42.33 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 15:42.49 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: nmap says Nmap finished: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 4.042 seconds |
| 15:43.15 | tenco | finally. got it. it's openbox's fault |
| 15:43.39 | hark | what is? |
| 15:43.39 | bolt | for an intel mac mini I use the i386 install image, right? |
| 15:44.24 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: ok |
| 15:44.52 | tenco | openbox doesnt setup xresources right. fluxbox does, eg, does |
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| 15:45.39 | hark | hmm, so were you able to fix it? |
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| 15:46.31 | mo1991 | Can someone tell me how I change the updates for Etch? |
| 15:46.57 | mo1991 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch /updates |
| 15:47.07 | mo1991 | does not seem to be correct now that Etch has been released? |
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| 15:47.38 | hark | !sources.list |
| 15:47.38 | dpkg | [sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 15:47.58 | hark | !etch security |
| 15:47.59 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 15:48.03 | mo1991 | I am talking about security update |
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| 15:48.53 | tenco | hark: not yet |
| 15:48.53 | hark | yes, but updates is quite vague.. |
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| 15:50.00 | mo1991 | true my bad |
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| 15:59.23 | ewl | Where can I find a list of official debian repositories? |
| 15:59.50 | azeem | ewl: anything with .debian.org in it |
| 15:59.51 | tenco | lol, on openbox bts: "Core dump on startup - Fuck Yah" |
| 16:00.14 | azeem | ewl: that'd be ftp.<cc>.debian.org, security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org I think |
| 16:00.48 | enouf | hark: do you know if replacing 'etch' with 'stable' WRT to the security line in sources.list would do? |
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| 16:00.53 | ewl | all the debian.org repos are slow for me. I mean offical mirrors. |
| 16:01.15 | xand | ewl: they're one and the same. |
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| 16:01.24 | xand | the other mirrors aren't "Official" |
| 16:01.43 | ewl | so I'm stuck with debian.org? |
| 16:01.53 | xand | no |
| 16:01.54 | Ronin | ewl: your not really surprised are you that its slow right now |
| 16:01.58 | xand | use another mirror. |
| 16:02.09 | ewl | Where can I get a list of those? |
| 16:02.12 | xand | depends what you call "official" |
| 16:02.15 | azeem | ewl: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 16:02.29 | hark | enouf: then you'll start getting lenny updates in a year haha |
| 16:02.38 | junix|work | i am still running sarge, i want to install pacakges from 3.1r6, what do i need to change in my sources.list? |
| 16:02.41 | ewl | thanks azeem... :) |
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| 16:02.53 | enouf | ewl: loo at $ apt-cache show netselect-apt |
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| 16:03.00 | enouf | erm look at |
| 16:03.38 | MANITOU | hi ! need help with wireless on debian 4.0 ( some links etc.) |
| 16:03.58 | hark | enouf: but yeah, i think there were some symlink related issues.. think it's sorted now |
| 16:04.30 | enouf | hark: i ask because i know tehe security team is working towards including testing/lenny in their realm .. but not sure how/when .. and i still have --> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib in my sources.list .. lol |
| 16:04.39 | ewl | Thanks enouf, I'll install that... |
| 16:04.46 | MANITOU | !wireless |
| 16:04.47 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 16:05.18 | enouf | ewl: no prob |
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| 16:05.38 | enouf | hark: more here http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ .. i still need to read it carefuly though |
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| 16:05.46 | undesktop | hm... ftp.debian.org seems to be a bit on load? |
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| 16:06.04 | enouf | klingens! oh my! |
| 16:06.06 | jelly | undesktop: right after a release? Who'd have thought! |
| 16:06.31 | undesktop | jelly: well true... but yesterday it wasn't so slow |
| 16:06.44 | jelly | full power ot shields! |
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| 16:07.03 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.33 | enouf | undesktop: expect spikes all week long |
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| 16:07.45 | jelly | enouf: spikes? kinky |
| 16:07.48 | enouf | warp9 scotty! |
| 16:07.57 | enouf | jelly: heh |
| 16:08.10 | enouf | jelly: don't get me started .. ;-) |
| 16:08.54 | undesktop | nobody expects the spanish inquisition |
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| 16:09.22 | enouf | hands* |
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| 16:09.44 | jelly | enouf: what do I do with it, I'm a veggie? :-) |
| 16:09.58 | junix|work | i am still running sarge, i want to install pacakges from 3.1r6, what do i need to change in my sources.list? |
| 16:10.15 | enouf | put it on your blackeye .. keeps the swelling down ;-) |
| 16:10.22 | jelly | junix|work: replace occurences of "stable" to "sarge" |
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| 16:11.03 | enouf | vita-mita-vegamin |
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| 16:11.32 | wintix | how can i find out who the maintainer of a specific package is? |
| 16:11.51 | hark | enouf: nuqjatlh? |
| 16:11.57 | enouf | jelly: you know i'm <jk> |
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| 16:12.19 | enouf | nnug who? |
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| 16:12.31 | lsl23 | in etch, what is the package name for mod-ssl on apache2 |
| 16:12.34 | Gromgull | is the /etc/apt/preferences file still valid for pinning packages? |
| 16:12.47 | hark | what? you don't speak klingon?? |
| 16:12.48 | jelly | wintix: dpkg -s package will show the maintainer's email among other fields |
| 16:12.54 | enouf | why wouldn't it be Gromgull ? |
| 16:13.05 | wintix | jelly: thank you |
| 16:13.10 | enouf | hark: ahhh .. no sir .. apologies |
| 16:13.20 | hark | maj |
| 16:13.30 | jelly | wintix: ... that is, if the package is installed. If not, apt-cache show package |
| 16:14.05 | Gromgull | enouf: because it doesn't behave as I expected :) |
| 16:14.08 | hark | lsl23: it's already in |
| 16:14.12 | Gromgull | but i'll try it a bit harder |
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| 16:14.17 | lsl23 | hark: Yes, I am blind |
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| 16:14.18 | lsl23 | thank you |
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| 16:15.00 | junix|work | jelly: ok thanks |
| 16:15.07 | enouf | Gromgull: make sure all your syntaxes are correct and up to date WRT etch becoming stable |
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| 16:15.45 | enouf | Gromgull: your other files to .. such as apt.conf if you use one, and naturally sources.list, etc |
| 16:16.14 | rahul | hahaha |
| 16:16.20 | rahul | I still have libc5 installed on my box |
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| 16:16.28 | jelly | rahul: great! |
| 16:16.44 | maarten2 | stew: thanks for your help so far |
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| 16:16.52 | Gromgull | enouf: the only change I can think of is that now the package version I pin probably doesn't exist any more, as it was only in old stable... Do I need to add old-stable to the sources? |
| 16:17.18 | junix|work | jelly: are there pacakges for Xen in 3.1r6?? |
| 16:17.29 | jelly | Gromgull: if it was only in oldstable, it's not even there any more. sarge is now oldstable. |
| 16:17.32 | enouf | Gromgull: It would seem so .. i guess |
| 16:17.47 | enouf | Gromgull: bah .. sorry |
| 16:17.57 | jelly | !tell junix|work about search |
| 16:18.47 | jelly | junix|work: it's still sarge, no new packages were added so if something wasn't there before... |
| 16:19.01 | enouf | Gromgull: it depends, but not adding an oldstable to .list, but altering your preferences is what i thought you meant/said .. anyways, jelly explained it |
| 16:19.07 | tun9 | ok this is too much. users want text mode mail recieving option in evolution. |
| 16:19.13 | tun9 | this is f* up. |
| 16:19.15 | tun9 | !!@#!@# |
| 16:19.19 | Christoph_vW | my NIC isn't supported :/ and the only driver I can find is for a 2.4 kernel |
| 16:19.36 | tun9 | anyone know how this works in evolution ? |
| 16:19.47 | cusco | what nic have you got? what does lspci say? |
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| 16:19.56 | Ronin | tun9: what do you mean by text mode mail receiving |
| 16:20.04 | Gromgull | enouf, jelly: thanks - i think i'll be able to sort it out |
| 16:20.23 | tun9 | Ronin, recieve mail as text. |
| 16:20.32 | stew | Christoph_vW: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" return? |
| 16:20.34 | jelly | um |
| 16:20.35 | Christoph_vW | Netgear GA622T |
| 16:20.37 | tun9 | Ronin, display as text sorry. |
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| 16:20.51 | jetscreamer | hi |
| 16:20.53 | jetscreamer | bye |
| 16:20.55 | Ronin | tun9: as in strips html etc from the incoming and displays as plain text? |
| 16:21.00 | tun9 | Ronin, no HTML, no image. |
| 16:21.02 | tun9 | Ronin, yes. |
| 16:21.04 | Christoph_vW | "National Semiconductor Corporation DP83820 10/100/1000 Ethernet Controller" |
| 16:21.06 | jelly | jetscreamer: bye! |
| 16:21.09 | tun9 | Ronin, strip it off. |
| 16:21.15 | Ronin | tun9: i like your users :) |
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| 16:21.50 | tun9 | Ronin, well, yeah kind of. until they start stripping .... |
| 16:21.51 | tun9 | hehe |
| 16:21.52 | jelly | tun9: there are filters that do all sorts of stripping junk from mail |
| 16:22.16 | tun9 | jelly, i know but it's so surprising that evolution doesn't have it inbuilt. |
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| 16:22.41 | hackmiker | $ sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 16:22.41 | hackmiker | update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/opt/firefox/firefox'. |
| 16:22.44 | Gge | To continue on the discussion ( to be sure ) in "sources.list , this line "deb http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ etch main " has to be changed .... etch to be replaced by "Stable " or there is nothing to change ? |
| 16:22.46 | hackmiker | wtf? |
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| 16:23.03 | jelly | tun9: I have no opinion on Evolution. ;-) |
| 16:23.09 | Gge | as etch is now steting -> stable |
| 16:23.25 | Ronin | tun9: cant help you, i use evolution but im a bit far from that computer currently |
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| 16:23.36 | jelly | Gge: right, if you were at etch and want to stay that way, just keep "etch" |
| 16:23.49 | tun9 | jelly, Ronin that's cool. |
| 16:23.53 | hark | Christoph_vW: what was the driver in 2.4? |
| 16:23.54 | Ronin | tun9: irc.gnome.org and ask in #evolution? |
| 16:23.59 | MattCampbell | Is there any recommended way to set up automatic installation of security and bug-fix updates? |
| 16:24.02 | Gge | jelly , thx |
| 16:24.20 | MattCampbell | e.g. once I have etch installed, to automatically install all updates to etch |
| 16:24.27 | MattCampbell | using a cron job or similar |
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| 16:24.32 | Christoph_vW | hark: I download it from the netgear homepage |
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| 16:24.47 | Christoph_vW | but it won't build with the 2.6 kernel |
| 16:25.11 | stew | Christoph_vW: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" return? |
| 16:25.11 | jelly | Gge: you have have "testing" somewhere in there, be sure to change it to "etch" before doing an upgrade |
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| 16:25.22 | Christoph_vW | stew: ">" |
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| 16:25.37 | stew | Christoph_vW: can you put the output of "lspci -n" into a pastebin? |
| 16:26.31 | jelly | MattCampbell: you don't want unattended installation. download yes, but not installation. |
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| 16:26.32 | stew | Christoph_vW: or try typing my command again? |
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| 16:26.32 | stew | Christoph_vW: you must have miscopied my command |
| 16:26.38 | MattCampbell | Why don't I want unattended installation of updates? Windows has it, even in the server editions. |
| 16:26.44 | Christoph_vW | I copied the whole putty output: http://rafb.net/p/W4a1wC63.html |
| 16:26.50 | enouf | hackmiker: maybe administrative dir needs updating/editing (/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives) or try using manual option |
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| 16:27.01 | jelly | Christoph_vW: type ' and enter :-) |
| 16:27.17 | hackmiker | oi |
| 16:27.18 | Christoph_vW | oh :) |
| 16:27.21 | enouf | hackmiker: man update-alternatives has all the info |
| 16:27.23 | Christoph_vW | copy and paste :) |
| 16:27.27 | zoldar | how to reconfigure keyboard in console? there was kbdconfig in sarge but it isn't there anymore ...? |
| 16:27.29 | hackmiker | enouf, i'm reading it now |
| 16:27.30 | hackmiker | :) |
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| 16:27.53 | jelly | Christoph_vW: copy/paste is good, if you copy all the things between his " " (including the last ') |
| 16:28.04 | Christoph_vW | hehe |
| 16:28.17 | stew | Christoph_vW: i see two ethernet cards there, one is supported by tg3, the other by ns83820 |
| 16:28.31 | militant | hmmm the icons are extending my gnome menu in e to be too long to actually use, it jumps around and disappears |
| 16:28.32 | stew | Christoph_vW: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:28.37 | SlimG | Is it possible to mount ftp shares to local folders thru fstab? |
| 16:28.39 | Christoph_vW | how can I set up the other one then? |
| 16:28.47 | stew | Christoph_vW: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:29.02 | Christoph_vW | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:29.05 | MattCampbell | jelly: Why don't I want unattended installation of updates? Windows has it, even in the server editions. |
| 16:29.11 | jelly | SlimG: maybe using curlftpfs |
| 16:29.20 | stew | Christoph_vW: echo ns83820 >> /etc/modules ; modprobe ns83820 |
| 16:29.27 | stew | Christoph_vW: make sure you use >> and not > |
| 16:29.45 | jelly | MattCampbell: because things might break in unexpected ways |
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| 16:30.02 | SlimG | thanks jelly ! |
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| 16:30.33 | itchi | How do you do to manage to updates a bunch of cumputers? |
| 16:30.35 | MattCampbell | jelly: Even with Debian's code-freeze policies which dictate that once a new version of Debian is released, only security and bug-fix updates come out for that version? |
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| 16:31.55 | Christoph_vW | stew: do I have to reboot the server now? |
| 16:31.55 | jelly | MattCampbell: e-yup, shit happens |
| 16:31.56 | stew | Christoph_vW: no |
| 16:31.56 | stew | Christoph_vW: "ifconfig -a" should now show the additional card |
| 16:31.56 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 16:31.56 | stew | Christoph_vW: "man interfaces" for info on how to configure the card in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:31.57 | Christoph_vW | thanks :) |
| 16:32.06 | jelly | MattCampbell: eg. if a kernel update comes, you have to reboot. if a widely used library is updated (libc6, libssl), reboot might be the only thing that can restart all the affected services for sure |
| 16:32.10 | deego | Is The way to purge a removed package to first install it and then purge it? |
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| 16:32.32 | Azar | The Perfect Setup - Debian Etch (Debian 4.0) is out: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
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| 16:33.06 | Nemoder | deego: that will work yes |
| 16:33.38 | deego | Nemoder: that's proving really weird for me: To purge hotplug, I end up having to purge the installed kernel first ..hehe :) |
| 16:33.44 | MattCampbell | jelly: OK, so I schedule unattended updates to happen at 3 AM or so, and do test reboots to make sure that all services start properly after a reboot. |
| 16:33.50 | jelly | MattCampbell: unattended patches on any sort of server, be it Linux or Windows, is not something I'd put as recommended practice |
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| 16:34.12 | undesktop | wtf!? "Unpacking libk3b3 (from .../libk3b3_1.0-1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libk3b3_1.0-1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libk3balsaoutputplugin.la', which is also in package libk3b2" |
| 16:34.30 | fibonacci235 | Hey, my hotplug is automounting my usb drives as regular ntfs. How would i go about changing it to mount them as "ntfs-3g"? |
| 16:34.42 | jelly | undesktop: welcome to testing/unstable |
| 16:34.49 | undesktop | yay |
| 16:34.54 | undesktop | well I'm used to it |
| 16:35.07 | xand | fibonacci235: if it's autodetecting, not sure if you can fix it (what's ntfs-3g?) |
| 16:35.08 | undesktop | --force-all rules |
| 16:35.15 | jelly | undesktop: then you know what to do :-) |
| 16:35.21 | undesktop | not really |
| 16:35.28 | jelly | undesktop: force-overwrite is a bit easier on the system |
| 16:35.30 | fibonacci235 | xand: it's a bypass to write to ntfs drives withought re-configuring the kernel |
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| 16:36.23 | hark | xand: rw ntfs fuse module |
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| 16:36.32 | jelly | !ntfs-3g |
| 16:36.32 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 16:36.55 | hark | undesktop: /msg dpkg overwite |
| 16:36.58 | undesktop | jelly: I guess removing the old package will break the new one if it's installed that way? |
| 16:37.05 | hark | *overwrite |
| 16:37.10 | jelly | undesktop: it won't |
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| 16:37.19 | timewriter | :( |
| 16:37.20 | jelly | undesktop: THIS IS NOT REDHAT |
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| 16:37.24 | jelly | :-) |
| 16:37.24 | timewriter | x crashes after install |
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| 16:37.42 | hark | timewriter: errors? |
| 16:37.51 | undesktop | jelly: I never ever used Red Hat |
| 16:37.53 | fibonacci235 | hark: thanks, the faq helps out :) |
| 16:37.53 | Zaggynl | Are the repo's slow, or is it me? |
| 16:38.06 | timewriter | is there any additional options after install ? |
| 16:38.11 | timewriter | for X |
| 16:38.32 | hark | fibonacci235: heh, yw (i take all credit) |
| 16:38.35 | jelly | undesktop: I mean, it'll remove the file from the contents of the old packages, and everything will be dandy |
| 16:38.50 | enouf | timewriter: like a gazillion |
| 16:38.59 | timewriter | :( |
| 16:39.00 | undesktop | jelly: hm, nice, didn't know that |
| 16:39.07 | hark | timewriter: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:39.14 | timewriter | cheers |
| 16:39.25 | timewriter | debian is on the other hdd |
| 16:39.32 | enouf | timewriter: i missed your iniitial question .. apologies |
| 16:39.41 | timewriter | its ok enouf |
| 16:39.43 | jelly | undesktop: what you should do, is "reportbug libk3b3" and paste that error message |
| 16:39.44 | timewriter | no problems |
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| 16:40.03 | undesktop | jelly: will I need a mail address? |
| 16:40.12 | jelly | undesktop: only your own |
| 16:40.17 | tenco | hark: fluxbox for example makes use of X11/Xresources.h, while openbox does not |
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| 16:40.23 | undesktop | oh well |
| 16:40.40 | timewriter | i guess it was an error like : no screen present |
| 16:40.44 | timewriter | or no screen detected |
| 16:40.52 | hark | !noscreensfound |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | noscreensfound is probably probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 16:41.04 | Vladi | hi, anyone have a easy way to add users to multiple machines with a specific uid and shadow passwd |
| 16:41.16 | jelly | undesktop: reportbug is a bit unfriendly. you can check the bug reports first to see if someone has already reported it. |
| 16:41.16 | timewriter | ok |
| 16:41.19 | timewriter | so i need to say no |
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| 16:41.33 | ccd | hello. how can i discover when the system was installed?? |
| 16:41.42 | jelly | undesktop: http://bugs.debian.org/package-name |
| 16:41.51 | Nemoder | Isn't there a new GUI frontend to reportbug? |
| 16:42.14 | jelly | Nemoder: I wish there were, what's it called? :-) |
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| 16:42.25 | hark | tenco: put xrdb merge or load in your xsession? |
| 16:42.26 | Nemoder | jelly: I can't remember, but I swear I saw it somewhere |
| 16:42.40 | enouf | there's a recent bug in reportbug from sid |
| 16:42.53 | jelly | reportbug-ng |
| 16:43.00 | hark | that's fixed |
| 16:43.15 | enouf | Nemoder: you're not thinking of apt-listchanges are you? |
| 16:43.21 | Nemoder | enouf: no |
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| 16:43.37 | jelly | I mean, that's what it's called: "reportbug-ng" |
| 16:43.45 | jelly | !info reportbug-ng lenny |
| 16:43.57 | jelly | !info reportbug-ng sid |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | reportbug-ng: (An easy to use alternative to Debian's classic reportbug), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.2007.04.07.2 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 16:44.18 | Nemoder | ya that's it, thanks :) |
| 16:44.46 | Nemoder | http://reportbug-ng.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 16:47.32 | drexxi | how can i find out if a drive is not mountet or in software raid? i miss a drive |
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| 16:48.30 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 16:50.20 | ribasushi | whre can I read more about the dpkg installation process, especially how *.postinst files are called |
| 16:50.27 | ribasushi | google turns up crap |
| 16:50.49 | jelly | ribasushi: debian policy. |
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| 16:51.18 | jelly | ribasushi: Chapter 6 - Package maintainer scripts and installation procedure |
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| 16:51.43 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418166 Nemoder be aware , though might be fixed noow |
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| 16:52.07 | jelly | ribasushi: if you're using debconf, also man 7 debconf-devel |
| 16:52.24 | dashs | Is there a command line tool for setting/stopping/starting services -- not obvious from the doc I've read. |
| 16:52.37 | ribasushi | jelly: excellent, thanks for the info |
| 16:52.39 | Ronin | dashs: /etc/init.d/ usually |
| 16:52.42 | Vasistha | dashs: yeah. /etc/init.d/servicename start|stop|restart etc. |
| 16:52.54 | jelly | dashs: setting - update-rc.d; starting/stopping - invoke-rc.d |
| 16:53.25 | bzed | enouf: just another *aargh* bugs in pycentral. after removing python2.3 pycentral left all py2.3 stuff on my disk... /me goes with python-support, never had any trouble with it |
| 16:53.46 | Zaggynl | What's the proper way to shutdown when using fluxbox? |
| 16:53.46 | dashs | thanks, all -- just so different |
| 16:55.01 | hark | bzed: isn't the python-central bug fixed now? |
| 16:55.09 | Ronin | Zaggynl: shutdown the computer? i just exit flux then select shutdwon from gdm/kdm etc. |
| 16:55.31 | Zaggynl | Ronin, I'm using a combination of zenity + halt to shut down, but I have a feeling it's not the best way |
| 16:55.33 | tenco | hark: lol |
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| 16:55.41 | itchi | hark: At least, it's noted how to fix it, it's a matter to put a 'global config' |
| 16:55.46 | enouf | bzed: hrmm also just checked out that -ng doesn't have 418166 is it's Bug logs, is it entirely diff than reportbug? (figured it was just a frontend gui) .. whatever ;-) |
| 16:56.23 | bzed | enouf: thje bug is not in reportbug here, it's in python-central |
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| 16:56.29 | tenco | hark: guess what: uxterm (wrapper around xterm) and xterm don't share the same xresource namespace. openbox executed uxterm, fluxbox xterm #D |
| 16:56.45 | enouf | bzed: it was recently moved |
| 16:56.51 | PaSurf | I am trying to install tomcat5.5 on etch but having issues. System says it cannot find Java Development Kit. Is this something I can get under aptitude? |
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| 16:56.59 | hark | from the changelog- "High-urgency upload to unbreak all of python in unstable to make the bug reports stop flooding my inbox" |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | bout damn time |
| 16:57.12 | bzed | hark: heh |
| 16:57.42 | enouf | bzed: April 8 The bug should be moved to package 'python-central', and the severity upped to critical, since it breaks removal/installation/upgrade fo every python package that uses python-central. |
| 16:57.42 | Tallu | PaSurf: you need jdk installed and a path variable set for it, i think for JAVA_HOME |
| 16:58.35 | jelly | PaSurf: if you have non-free section in sources.list, install sun-java5-jdk |
| 16:58.59 | drexxi | is there anyone who can help me??? |
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| 16:59.04 | jelly | !tell PaSurf -about install java |
| 16:59.10 | bzed | !anyone |
| 16:59.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:59.55 | Vasistha | drexxi: probably, but why don't you just repeat your question instead? (Not more than once in ten minutes ... just be patient) |
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| 17:00.01 | Azar | hello honorable abrotman... |
| 17:00.08 | jelly | bzed: <drexxi> how can i find out if a drive is not mountet or in software raid? i miss a drive |
| 17:00.39 | drexxi | I miss a drive how to find out if its online ? |
| 17:00.57 | bzed | drexxi: which kind of drive are you missing? |
| 17:00.58 | Vasistha | drexxi: you "miss" a drive? huh?? |
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| 17:01.10 | Azar | maybe he means : driver |
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| 17:02.29 | hark | abrotman: how's the phlegm? still a lovely mt dew shade? ;) |
| 17:02.40 | Azar | :) haha |
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| 17:03.05 | abrotman | hark: i'm still coughing |
| 17:03.12 | abrotman | hi Azar |
| 17:03.24 | Azar | abrotman: /. has an article on Etch release.. |
| 17:03.29 | drexxi | bzed a hard drive, its on a root machine and its far away |
| 17:03.45 | hark | oh ah hm |
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| 17:03.59 | drexxi | bzed and i dont see that drive mounted so i want to find out if its online and not mounted |
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| 17:04.25 | bzed | drexxi: scsi? ide? |
| 17:04.28 | bzed | sata? |
| 17:04.49 | drexxi | sata i thin |
| 17:05.02 | drexxi | i got sda1 and sda2 in ls /dev/sd* |
| 17:05.20 | bzed | and you're missing a third one? |
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| 17:05.57 | bzed | drexxi: what's the output of cat cat /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 17:05.59 | bzed | !paste |
| 17:05.59 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 17:06.50 | reiser2 | hi |
| 17:06.52 | bzed | drexxi: do you actually know which drive you're missing? |
| 17:07.11 | drexxi | a hard drive disc |
| 17:07.23 | bzed | drexxi: which device name? |
| 17:07.45 | drexxi | i dont cnow* sry my 'cah' isn'T worcing |
| 17:07.45 | drexxi | :) |
| 17:07.58 | drexxi | i only got sda1 and sda2 in ls |
| 17:08.03 | drexxi | and sda2 is mounted as / |
| 17:08.19 | bzed | drexxi: and according to /etc/fstab, which device are you missing? |
| 17:09.08 | drexxi | there are to devides in fstab, sda1 as swap? and sda2 mounted as / |
| 17:09.08 | enouf | drexxi: what's lshal | grep block.device tell ya about it |
| 17:09.38 | bzed | drexxi: had you mounted the missing drive manually the last time? |
| 17:09.54 | drexxi | bzed no it wasnt online since the beginng |
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| 17:10.45 | bzed | drexxi: paste what enouf asked you to |
| 17:10.51 | drexxi | i try it |
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| 17:11.29 | drexxi | lshal not found |
| 17:11.30 | drexxi | oO |
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| 17:11.55 | enouf | oh well .. Sarge perhaps |
| 17:12.04 | drexxi | its a pre-4.0 |
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| 17:12.28 | artagnon | How do I check an installed package? I want to find out the files installed |
| 17:12.36 | SDBolts21n56 | How to change your default Display manager? |
| 17:12.46 | enouf | I wonder if cd /dev/disk/; cat * might help |
| 17:12.48 | stew | artagnon: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 17:13.02 | artagnon | stew: Thank you |
| 17:13.03 | stew | SDBolts21n56: dpkg-reconfigure xdm ; (or gdm / kdm whatever) |
| 17:13.28 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, thanks. |
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| 17:14.31 | drexxi | mg enouf |
| 17:14.51 | drexxi | scsi-sata.samsung bla bla bla*7 and csci-sata.samsungblablabla*8 |
| 17:14.51 | abrotman | !find lshal etch |
| 17:15.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lshal' (1): (/usr/bin/lshal) in admin/hal. |
| 17:15.09 | drexxi | wait |
| 17:15.22 | malagmyr | I am installing on a Mac Mini, using the image debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso. I am getting an error during the installation of GRUB in my MBR saying "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly". Any ideas? |
| 17:15.25 | Azar | ...whatever happened to the suggestion that a new release starts with a kernel version .. and could get a newer/higher version towards its end of life? |
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| 17:16.30 | enouf | drexxi: does # ls -al /sys/block/ help? |
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| 17:16.40 | wols | malagmyr: macs, even intel macs have no normal BIOS |
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| 17:16.51 | drexxi | enouf wait u have to tell me something |
| 17:16.55 | wols | malagmyr: you need a bootloader that understands EFIS |
| 17:17.02 | enouf | !u |
| 17:17.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:17.15 | enouf | :-) |
| 17:17.16 | nn-main | how do i tell scanimage that a umax scaner is on /dev/lp0 |
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| 17:17.53 | drexxi | i hate that shit |
| 17:18.06 | drexxi | i cant copy paste that putty console to firefox |
| 17:18.07 | drexxi | :/ |
| 17:18.37 | xand | why not? |
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| 17:18.56 | drexxi | i dont cnow* |
| 17:19.05 | tenco | some suggestions for a good console-based music collection manager? |
| 17:19.14 | xand | tenco: mpd :D |
| 17:19.24 | xand | depending on what you mean |
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| 17:19.48 | drexxi | enouf this cat says me 2 harddrives |
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| 17:19.51 | drexxi | i thin |
| 17:19.53 | malagmyr | wols: ubuntu is supposed to handle that. I used ubuntu on another mac mini last week... |
| 17:20.20 | drexxi | scrsi-sata_samsung*7 and *7-part1 and *7-part2 and scsi-sata_samsung8 |
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| 17:20.37 | drexxi | so it seems its online but not mounted? |
| 17:21.19 | jelly | drexxi: does shift+dragging the mouse seem to select stuff in putty? |
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| 17:21.32 | Kronuz | hello |
| 17:21.34 | fuzzy_logic | hi |
| 17:21.51 | Kronuz | hey, I'm trying to see the photos in my camera, but I haven't been able to get the pictures out of it |
| 17:21.53 | drexxi | jelly yes it selects stuff in putty |
| 17:21.57 | lost_and_unfound | does debain have standalone binaries ? running a live cd distro (dsl) and would like to have own apps on the USB mem stick and execute it from command line |
| 17:21.57 | enouf | drexxi: then the 3rds not online I'd gather .. does " ls /sys/block/ | egrep 'hd|sd' " show you any nice things? ;-) |
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| 17:22.18 | Kronuz | when I connect the camera it asks me if I want to import the pictures, that a camera was detected |
| 17:22.29 | Kronuz | but if I press the import to my album button... nothing happens |
| 17:22.34 | Kronuz | any ideas? |
| 17:22.40 | Kronuz | do I need to install other app? |
| 17:22.40 | drexxi | sda and sdb |
| 17:22.43 | hark | by default, it's right click for paste in putty iirc |
| 17:22.47 | drexxi | does that help me? |
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| 17:23.48 | drexxi | enouf ? |
| 17:23.57 | enouf | that's 2 HDDs last i checked, though a diff type like a true scsi, might be listed as something other .. maybe even sr0 |
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| 17:24.31 | enouf | drexxi: do you know if they're all sata/pata ? and cat /proc/scsi/scsi shows nothing? |
| 17:24.47 | drexxi | they are the samy type of harddrives |
| 17:24.50 | moshii | Does anyone know of an application/script that checks the operation of a network connection periodically and restarts it if it goes down? |
| 17:24.52 | Vladi | hi, when something like this is used in cron 0-59/1 * * * * does it mean it runs every min |
| 17:24.55 | enouf | drexxi: all 3 are? |
| 17:24.59 | drexxi | 2 |
| 17:25.00 | jelly | drexxi: (Re: mouse) well that's the way to copy |
| 17:25.10 | enouf | drexxi: no md0, RAIDs, and such? |
| 17:25.13 | drexxi | jelly i now but it doesnt |
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| 17:25.23 | stew | Vladi: yes, it is identical to just "* * * * *" |
| 17:25.27 | drexxi | enouf i dont thin so cat proc scsi scsi says me 2 drives |
| 17:25.32 | drexxi | type: direct-access |
| 17:25.35 | enouf | drexxi: thought you were looking for a missing 3rd drive .. sorry |
| 17:25.36 | drexxi | so its none raid isnt it? |
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| 17:26.23 | drexxi | no i got 2x320 but df says me 320gb on / |
| 17:26.23 | drexxi | so the second is not mounted |
| 17:26.29 | drexxi | but its online |
| 17:26.29 | enouf | ahh ok |
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| 17:26.39 | jelly | drexxi: didi you have software or hardware raid? |
| 17:26.40 | drexxi | i see it host scsi0 and scsi1 |
| 17:26.41 | Christoph_vW | how can I check at which speed a NIC is running? |
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| 17:26.55 | drexxi | jelly no |
| 17:27.03 | enouf | Christoph_vW: ethtool likely |
| 17:27.04 | Szeraax | what kind of nic? |
| 17:27.05 | Christoph_vW | when I copy files from the server I get a very poor transfer rate (only 7MB/s) |
| 17:27.17 | drexxi | enouf so how to mount that damn second drive? |
| 17:27.20 | Szeraax | eth? wireless? |
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| 17:27.32 | Christoph_vW | gigabit card |
| 17:27.48 | enouf | oh .. you want to monitor net traf, but you can check for duplex and such using ethtool |
| 17:28.00 | Christoph_vW | no, I don't want to monitor it |
| 17:28.04 | Christoph_vW | then I would use iptraf |
| 17:28.04 | Szeraax | ah |
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| 17:28.15 | Szeraax | you might be able to do ifconfig and look at link rate |
| 17:28.17 | enouf | drexxi: file -s /dev/sdb says? |
| 17:28.36 | Christoph_vW | I want to check if it is connected with 1Gbit/s |
| 17:28.37 | Vladi | stew: yeah so what does the /1 do |
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| 17:28.37 | enouf | drexxi: also file -s /dev/sdb1 says? |
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| 17:28.37 | moshii | Christoph_vW: tried miitool? |
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| 17:29.11 | Szeraax | does ifconfig have it? |
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| 17:29.27 | Christoph_vW | no link information in ifconfig... |
| 17:29.30 | Szeraax | dang |
| 17:29.31 | omg0 | ctrl+c is not working for me in terminal. What else can I try? |
| 17:29.32 | xnor | Hi, today i ran an ordinare apt-get update and a apt-get upgrade, now my mysql died and wont start :( i use testing sources |
| 17:29.36 | Szeraax | i know wiconfig has it... |
| 17:29.46 | drexxi | it says cannot open |
| 17:29.47 | Christoph_vW | ah, ethtool has it |
| 17:29.50 | stew | Vladi: it says, every 1 minutes; so */5 or 0-59/5 would mean every 5 minutes |
| 17:29.53 | Szeraax | good |
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| 17:30.00 | Christoph_vW | it is connected with 1GBit/s |
| 17:30.04 | moshii | Christoph_vW: miitool will give you link and media status if your driver has an mii interface :) |
| 17:30.14 | Christoph_vW | I wonder why the transfer rate is so poor then |
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| 17:30.27 | moshii | Christoph_vW: what protocol is it? |
| 17:30.42 | enouf | drexxi: lsof | grep /dev/sdb says? |
| 17:30.46 | drexxi | enouf file -s /dev/sdb says data and sdb1 says nannot open |
| 17:30.46 | Christoph_vW | I tried SMB and SCP |
| 17:30.58 | Vladi | stew: ok thanks! |
| 17:31.00 | drexxi | enouf nothing |
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| 17:31.11 | wols | malagmyr: then use ubuntu |
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| 17:31.26 | moshii | Christoph_vW: smb is slow, scp has a good amount of cpu overhead.. you won't get gbit scp out of a m68k :P |
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| 17:31.39 | malagmyr | WTF?! A completely basic install of the debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso image on a new Intel-based Mac Mini works perfectly when the swap partition is logical. When both the root partition and the swap partition are primary, grub fails, saying it can't read /boot/grub/stage1. |
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| 17:31.43 | enouf | drexxi: file -s /dev/sda1 says? |
| 17:31.45 | malagmyr | anyway, it works now... |
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| 17:32.02 | drexxi | linux/iwap file bla bla |
| 17:32.06 | Christoph_vW | smb isn't slow - I already got 90MB/s with this machine (running windows 2003 server) |
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| 17:32.32 | drexxi | enouf it could be that the drive isnt formated |
| 17:32.40 | SDBolts21n56 | I am having problem trying to run X over ssh, I have a windows box with xming and putty installed and running, i have configured X11Forwarding to yes. But I cant not get X to start, the last line that coming up in putty is "Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!" |
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| 17:32.50 | moshii | Christoph_vW: maybe you could try "ping -f somehost" and see if you're loosing packets |
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| 17:33.28 | Christoph_vW | 14MB/s atm - maybe the server is to busy with other things |
| 17:33.31 | b8zs | during bas-config, how do i check errors behind the ncurses based dialog? |
| 17:33.35 | b8zs | base-config* |
| 17:33.51 | raboof | i seem to have an old s3 card that's not correctly supported in x.org, but supposedly is supported by xfree86 |
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| 17:34.11 | nn-main | hi |
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| 17:34.14 | Christoph_vW | oops... 90%wa :) - looks like it isn't related to the NIC :) |
| 17:34.15 | malagmyr | wols: told you grub would work... it just didn't like the two primary partitions i made, for some obscure reason |
| 17:34.17 | drexxi | enouf ? |
| 17:34.25 | raboof | there are no xfree86 .debs for testing, so I should install with the generic xfree86 installer instead, right? |
| 17:34.35 | enouf | drexxi: # file -s /dev/hda3 |
| 17:34.38 | enouf | /dev/hda3: ReiserFS V3.6 block size 4096 (mounted or unclean) num blocks 4883760 r5 hash |
| 17:35.01 | Gnea | raboof: are you sure the vesa driver won't handle it? |
| 17:35.13 | drexxi | yes i get a smiliar print on /dev/sda1 and 2 |
| 17:35.18 | enouf | drexxi: [13:29:27] <drexxi> linux/iwap file bla bla <-- nfc waht the f that means |
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| 17:35.40 | drexxi | enouf i cant paste that and bla bla is same then * |
| 17:35.42 | drexxi | ^^ |
| 17:36.00 | enouf | type it then .. it's nnot ebough info to be coherent |
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| 17:36.11 | Gnea | drexxi: never use 'bla bla' and never mispell. |
| 17:36.25 | drexxi | oc |
| 17:36.37 | enouf | !tell drexxi -about pastewithoutx |
| 17:36.49 | drexxi | enouf i can paste withoutx |
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| 17:36.57 | drexxi | but i cant paste x to shell |
| 17:37.03 | drexxi | i dont cnow* ehy |
| 17:37.05 | drexxi | why* |
| 17:37.06 | Gnea | sure you can |
| 17:37.20 | draeath | I did it in Ubuntu but I don't remember how... How can I set up apt and friends to use an ISO image instead of a CDROM as a source? |
| 17:37.24 | Gnea | is your mouse 2 or 3 buttons? |
| 17:37.26 | enouf | Gnea: someshit about putty and FF |
| 17:37.33 | drexxi | 2 button |
| 17:37.39 | enouf | Gnea: remote as well |
| 17:37.40 | Gnea | no wheel? |
| 17:37.56 | moshii | Christoph_vW: that could be the other end dropping too |
| 17:37.59 | drexxi | no wheel |
| 17:38.14 | raboof | Gnea: I can get it to work rudimentary with the vesa driver, but it seems to perform poorly and pick a low resolution instead of the one i specify in my xorg.conf |
| 17:38.20 | xoz | draeath: mount the iso image first? |
| 17:38.22 | Vasistha | draeath: # deb file:/mnt/iso/ etch main ... if the iso is loop mounted at /mnt/iso |
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| 17:38.30 | enouf | draeath: source of what? |
| 17:38.36 | moshii | draeath: mount the iso with a loop back and point apt at it |
| 17:38.38 | draeath | I didn't need to mount it, that was the great part |
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| 17:38.42 | omg0 | I did apt-get install pcmcia* and get the error: error processing /var/cache/apt/acrchives/fileutils_4....deb Trying to overwrite /sbin/chgrp whis is also in package coreutils subprocess killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 17:38.57 | draeath | it wasn't any strange ubuntu thing either, it was just a special syntax in sources.list i think |
| 17:39.06 | drexxi | so file -s /dev/sda1 = /dev/sda1: Linux/i386 swap file (new style) 1 (C pages) size 524111 pages |
| 17:39.11 | omg0 | how can I fix that it |
| 17:39.12 | Vasistha | draeath: yeah, that's the syntax I gave you. |
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| 17:39.28 | xand | omg0: not sure you want to put the * in there? |
| 17:39.31 | draeath | Vasistha: Thanks though, I can always just loopback mount the debian ISOs in fstab and be done with it |
| 17:39.32 | enouf | draeath: maybe apt-cdrom has some params that can be used for that .. dunno |
| 17:39.40 | draeath | no biggie |
| 17:39.41 | drexxi | so file -s /dev/sda2 = /dev/sda2: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery (large files) |
| 17:39.43 | draeath | thanks! |
| 17:39.44 | Vasistha | draeath: (shouldn't be commented, though -- I'm no longer using it ;-) |
| 17:39.48 | xoz | omg0: are you using unstable? |
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| 17:40.48 | omg0 | where is that? |
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| 17:40.48 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
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| 17:40.50 | omg0 | xom: I am still trying to figure out this linux thing. how do I tell if I have stable? |
| 17:40.50 | drexxi | enouf helts that? |
| 17:40.51 | xand | omg0: the * is expanded by your shell, not by apt-get, so might not give the expected result |
| 17:40.54 | drexxi | helps* |
| 17:41.06 | Vasistha | omg0: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:41.20 | enouf | drexxi: well that shhows what's on sda .. but not sdb |
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| 17:41.24 | xoz | omg0: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:41.26 | dutchfish | hi when i put in my IP phone (USB) i get alot of: Apr 10 19:39:56 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/input/yealink.c: unexpected response fd in syslog, what does this mean? |
| 17:41.30 | xbaez | hi ! |
| 17:41.58 | drexxi | file -s /dev/sdb = /dev/sdb: data |
| 17:42.00 | rysiek|pl | I have just upgraded (or, rather, clean-installed on a was-woody box) the new, shiny debian stable and I can't find the checkinstall package; seems like it didn't get to the current stable, which is strange, as it's in the oldstable, and in unstable and testing |
| 17:42.06 | omg0 | xoz: wow. That is good dude. yes I am running unstable |
| 17:42.16 | draeath | Vasistha: it won't do any of the mount/remount stuff with it? |
| 17:42.18 | drexxi | file -s /dev/sdb1 = /dev/sdb1: ERROR: cannot open |
| 17:42.23 | draeath | Vasistha: i want them to stay mounted |
| 17:42.34 | rysiek|pl | the question is: what do you guys think about downloading the *deb from testing and dpkg-installing it in stable? |
| 17:42.42 | xoz | omg0: if unstable, you either remove chgrp or avoid installing the package with conflict or use dpkg --force-things |
| 17:42.47 | drexxi | file -s /dev/sdb1 = /dev/sdb1: ERROR: cannot open '/dev/sdb1' (no such file or directory) |
| 17:42.58 | Vasistha | draeath: I don't believe apt can automatically mount, no. Just set up an auto-mount in your fstab |
| 17:43.32 | xand | omg0: if you're new to linux, you should NOT be running unstable |
| 17:43.32 | stew | omg0: put the output of "apt-cache policy fileutils coreutils" into a pastebin |
| 17:43.32 | enouf | drexxi: that's binary data is all .. likely .. .. yeah .. put a FS on it.. maybe there's no partitions? .. this is where those other cat coammnds can help |
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| 17:43.39 | rysiek|pl | so, anyone? |
| 17:43.41 | stew | omg0: do not remove /sbin/chgrp |
| 17:43.51 | nn-main | how do i combine stdout's from mutiple programs |
| 17:43.59 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: what do you need from testing that's so important? |
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| 17:44.10 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: checkinstall |
| 17:44.11 | enouf | drexxi: does dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdb yiled any info about superblock? |
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| 17:44.21 | enouf | s/yiled/yield |
| 17:44.22 | drexxi | enouf there is no partiotions |
| 17:44.26 | Vasistha | nn-main: all >>log to the same file?? What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:44.39 | BlueParrot | rysiek|pl: don't really know, but second post down suggests it is as intended ... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 17:44.40 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: it was in oldstable, it is in both unstable and testing; not in stable, though |
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| 17:45.02 | enouf | drexxi: and only binary data too it seems .. some sort of image |
| 17:45.02 | rysiek|pl | BlueParrot: aye, thanks. my bad, should've searched the forums too |
| 17:45.05 | BlueParrot | rysiek|pl: it appears the version in testing and unstable is new |
| 17:45.21 | BlueParrot | and that the old one was horribly broken |
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| 17:45.28 | rysiek|pl | hmmm... ok |
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| 17:45.37 | nn-main | ( prog 1 , yes " " , (Prog2 | prog3 ) ) | prog 4 |
| 17:45.46 | drexxi | enouf he says he cannof find valid filesystem superbloc |
| 17:45.54 | drexxi | enouf could that mean a softwareraid? |
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| 17:46.05 | enouf | drexxi: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | xxd |
| 17:46.21 | xand | xoz: not for a new linux user, and unstable isn't really supported here |
| 17:46.25 | enouf | drexxi: sure can .. |
| 17:46.31 | nn-main | or some way to change spaces in file names to dashes |
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| 17:46.50 | nn-main | for all files in one directory |
| 17:47.03 | drexxi | enouf he copie dmuch zeroes :) |
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| 17:47.31 | Vasistha | nn-main: for the latter, use 'rename' ... e.g., rename 's/ /_/g' * |
| 17:47.42 | enouf | drexxi: you should have maybe a /dev/md0 or similar to look at .. also they should be 'fd' labeled unless they're hardware raid, i suppose on an scsi card .. nnot sure about all the possible combos |
| 17:47.47 | Vasistha | nn-main: well, I used underscore there instead of dash |
| 17:48.00 | omg0 | stew I am having problems copying from the terminal. CTRL+C does not work. It puts characters there |
| 17:48.04 | xand | !sources.list |
| 17:48.04 | dpkg | i guess sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 17:48.15 | xoz | xand: accelerated learning if he is serious about knowing the ins/outs of debian.... |
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| 17:48.23 | rysiek|pl | BlueParrot: do you, by any chance, know a package that basically does the same job (i.e. automagically creates a deb package by keeping track what is being installed by a script - like make install)? |
| 17:48.34 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: rather than having a need for installwatch at all, it would probably be better to use the debian packaging tool to convert your installers into deb's |
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| 17:48.41 | drexxi | enouf i dont find a md0 |
| 17:48.50 | drexxi | only a md |
| 17:48.54 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 17:49.05 | MrWup | how do i make netstat display actual port numbers that im listening on? |
| 17:49.12 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: thing is, I have *no* experience with the packaging tool, and need the thing working in a few hours |
| 17:49.14 | Flimzy | We have a cluster of machines, some of which support hyperthreading. I'm considering disabling HT support to make our CPU utilization graphs more objective. Can anyone offer pros/cons of doing this? My understanding is that HT *can* improve performance, but only a little (5%?) but it can also hurt performance in some cases... |
| 17:49.14 | iXneonXi | I know this is dumb but what's the name of that software that is like Automatix but for debian and is it worth it? |
| 17:49.15 | nn-main | Vasistha what is the exact argument for rename that will replace space with a - |
| 17:49.16 | drexxi | lets try to parition that /dev/sdb enouf ? |
| 17:49.18 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please tell me a software like hyperterminal was on windows, just for debian? |
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| 17:49.30 | Vasistha | nn-main: I gave it to you, but use dash instead of underscore |
| 17:49.31 | HardDisk_WP | i dont care if its gui or commandline |
| 17:49.33 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: minicom |
| 17:49.33 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: but thanks for the hint about installwatch |
| 17:49.36 | enouf | drexxi: if it's a RAID1, that means mirrored == 320(sda) + 320(sdb) == 320 ;-) |
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| 17:49.39 | EvilDin | i have one question, i have compiled a long time ago mysql 4.1.15, and now i would like to update to the last version from debain etch, is it possible to backup all databases and users and their priviliges, and how? |
| 17:49.46 | rysiek|pl | brb |
| 17:49.47 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: someone in here knows the answer to that question -- it is a common question ;-) |
| 17:49.57 | drexxi | enouf i cnow |
| 17:49.58 | EvilDin | to be used on new mysql |
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| 17:50.02 | MrWup | anyone? |
| 17:50.03 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: which question? |
| 17:50.04 | omg0 | xoz: I have had couple sleepless nights with this Linux thing and my girl cusses me out cause I am always on the IRC |
| 17:50.19 | nn-main | thanks |
| 17:50.21 | xand | "cusses you out"? wtf does that mean? |
| 17:50.28 | Szeraax | gets mad |
| 17:50.30 | omg0 | fusses |
| 17:50.32 | enouf | drexxi: dmesg | egrep -i 'raid|dm' |
| 17:50.34 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: how to create .deb's out of your compiled apps |
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| 17:50.59 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: in that case - I'll be back in a half an hour. |
| 17:51.08 | iXneonXi | I'm going for a desktop that I want to run FAST. Should I get Etch netinst, KDE, or XFCE. I don't want to do /too/ much configuring but I also don't want bloat and slowdowns. What do yall recommend? |
| 17:51.09 | enouf | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:51.09 | dpkg | [dpkg-buildpackage] a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
| 17:51.21 | JunoDewar | How does one mounts raw data(no FS(screwed up in my case)) DVD, or atleast copies it to one chunk file? |
| 17:51.22 | dkr | xand: it's normal english; hardly worthy of a "wtf" :) |
| 17:51.25 | JunoDewar | How does one mounts raw data(no FS(screwed up in my case)) DVD, or atleast copies it to one chunk file? |
| 17:51.31 | JunoDewar | I really need help dudes, google is not my friend today |
| 17:51.40 | drexxi | enouf oO a big print but it dont tell me something i understand |
| 17:51.42 | dkr | JunoDewar: use dd |
| 17:51.42 | enouf | Vasistha: is that what you want? ^^^ |
| 17:51.43 | xand | dkr: it is not |
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| 17:52.00 | Vasistha | enouf: well, it's rysiek that wants it ;-) |
| 17:52.04 | dkr | xand: sorry, american english. :) |
| 17:52.06 | enouf | drexxi: look for device mapper and/or raid info |
| 17:52.12 | enouf | Vasistha: oh .. heh |
| 17:52.30 | Vasistha | enouf: I just couldn't think of the name...... |
| 17:52.35 | enouf | drexxi: grep dmesg for scsi or controller |
| 17:52.43 | omg0 | Stew: since my paste is not working whats a quick cat command to pipe it to a file so I can post |
| 17:52.44 | enouf | Vasistha: i forget too at times |
| 17:53.05 | enouf | !spanglishsmite dkr |
| 17:53.26 | Vasistha | enouf: btw, if you still want to try the opera browser (which of course I would highly recommend ;-) the place to go right now is here: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/897263 |
| 17:53.31 | drexxi | enouf device-mapper: ioctl: 4.7.0-ioctl (2006-06-24) initialised: dm-devel@readhat.com |
| 17:53.39 | xoz | omg0: running unstable, you need to please the installer by resolving conflicts. if apt-get complains try to read what the message is and either allow it to happen or avoid it to happen. usually, if you have dependency problem, you need to look what package has error and work from there. |
| 17:53.40 | enouf | it's actually colloquial .. or whatever that word is ;-P |
| 17:53.40 | dkr | enouf: yo vivo en la sowesera, mang! yo soy immune |
| 17:53.56 | enouf | Vasistha: thanks ;-) |
| 17:54.23 | stew | omg0: apt-cache policy fileutils coreutils > file |
| 17:54.32 | iXneonXi | Vasistha: why doesn't Opera include subscriptions for adblocking? |
| 17:54.41 | enouf | dkr: you're living the life of what? :-P |
| 17:54.55 | enouf | in the dode? |
| 17:54.58 | Vasistha | iXneonXi: uhm, ask in irc://irc.opera.net/opera |
| 17:54.59 | enouf | donde even |
| 17:55.03 | iXneonXi | XD k |
| 17:55.05 | xand | if upgrading from sarge-> etch, does dpkg copy the config from say xf86 to xorg? |
| 17:55.06 | tenco | xand: hmm, nice. but i want sth with which i can manage my collection of sound-files, too (no, coreutils isn't enough :) |
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| 17:55.13 | enouf | drexxi: yep dmraid |
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| 17:55.15 | biatche | I want my home network to be part of my office network over ADSL. What should I be looking for to bridge two LAN together over ADSL? I've googled and found "remote bridging" but the article is written 2002. What are the choices I have? |
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| 17:55.22 | jelly | iXneonXi: there's also an unofficial #opera here btw |
| 17:55.23 | drexxi | enouf so its in raid? |
| 17:55.27 | enouf | drexxi: look in /proc/mdstats |
| 17:55.28 | xand | biatche: er, vpn? |
| 17:55.28 | iXneonXi | anyone have a recommendation of which install to use for a good desktop |
| 17:55.36 | enouf | drexxi: also see /etc/mdadm |
| 17:55.39 | xand | iXneonXi: the etch one. |
| 17:55.40 | wols | iXneonXi: etch |
| 17:55.40 | Ronin | iXneonXi: try several and pick one you like |
| 17:55.44 | iXneonXi | i know that XD |
| 17:55.45 | mfrisch | biatche: a vpn is good there are many |
| 17:55.48 | iXneonXi | I know etch but should i use |
| 17:55.52 | iXneonXi | KDE or netinst or XFCE |
| 17:55.53 | omg0 | when I press the arrow key to get the previous command I get 8888. How do I get it to do that doskey equavalent function? |
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| 17:55.58 | biatche | but... a vpn gateway? |
| 17:56.03 | Ronin | iXneonXi: seriously try several |
| 17:56.05 | Vasistha | xand: I don't think it does such a copy (at least it didn't for me) but it doesn't delete your old config either, so you can just copy your stuff over manually |
| 17:56.10 | dkr | enouf: I was using a spanglish corruption, cubans refer to the "south west area" of miami/hialeah as "la sowesera" |
| 17:56.11 | enouf | drexxi: man mdadm |
| 17:56.12 | wols | iXneonXi: netinst and then install whatever you like (Not with tasksel but pure aptitude) |
| 17:56.14 | Ronin | we all have different ideas of what a "good" desktop is |
| 17:56.16 | xand | iXneonXi: erm, get netinstall... you can install kde/gnome/xfce from it |
| 17:56.30 | iXneonXi | makes sense |
| 17:56.38 | biatche | How can I connect say, 5 computers from my homenetwork to my office network? will vpn do it, without connecting each machine manually?... Can I do it through a gateway? |
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| 17:56.40 | jelly | !start a wm war |
| 17:56.41 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows goats! |
| 17:56.58 | enouf | dkr: ahh .. "tu tienes los muchos cigaros y el cindadoros ? |
| 17:57.09 | iXneonXi | I just want a fast desktop that won't be bloated for stuff I dont need it for which would be: Watching Videos, Internet, and Chat... |
| 17:57.12 | jelly | biatche: what kind of access do you need? |
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| 17:57.20 | enouf | man am i bad .. |
| 17:57.24 | iXneonXi | I'll go with KDE first i guess |
| 17:57.25 | Ronin | iXneonXi: fluxbox, openbox, blackbox ummm |
| 17:57.27 | wols | biatche: only the router is connected. the 5 PCs all use the router to do the VPN stuff |
| 17:57.29 | biatche | I just want the LAN to be united. |
| 17:57.32 | iXneonXi | Hmm flux is nice |
| 17:57.32 | dkr | enouf: heh, not me. |
| 17:57.43 | enouf | !bong dkr |
| 17:57.45 | Fadoksi_ | xfce4 is also a good choice |
| 17:57.47 | iXneonXi | Yah |
| 17:57.49 | biatche | wols: So in other words, I could setup a VPN gateway, correct? |
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| 17:57.51 | iXneonXi | I might use the XFCE disk |
| 17:57.52 | enouf | bah ;-) |
| 17:58.06 | wols | biatche: depends what you mean with "gateway" |
| 17:58.19 | biatche | So only the VPN gateways connect to each other, and the clients won't need to do anything? |
| 17:58.20 | jelly | biatche: you might not need that, if the only thing you want is to access some shares or web services |
| 17:58.21 | fuzzybunny | um hello everyone, why does setting up HD's in debian KDE take so friking long? |
| 17:58.25 | xand | I have vpn client setup on my router and use NAT with it |
| 17:58.39 | drexxi | enouf im not sure i dont find out which raid i use oO |
| 17:58.46 | mfrisch | biatche: you need to make connections from your network to each computer. it can be as simple as openvpn which has a lot of clients and uses a key or ipsec which most OS support as well |
| 17:58.46 | fuzzybunny | 17GB HD @ 50% after 40 minutes |
| 17:58.50 | wols | xand: no NAT. that won't give you a "Unified" LAN |
| 17:58.51 | xand | depends if you need each machine to have its own IP address on the remote network |
| 17:58.56 | xand | wols: I know |
| 17:58.59 | Vasistha | fuzzybunny: what do you mean, "setting up"? |
| 17:59.11 | fuzzybunny | Vasistha: its erasing data |
| 17:59.19 | fuzzybunny | Vasistha: I'm doing a clean install |
| 17:59.21 | jelly | wols: it also depends on what does the user mean with "unified lan" |
| 17:59.26 | xand | a bunny, how excessively cute |
| 17:59.28 | wols | mfrisch: why would he. only the router needs a VPN. nothing else |
| 17:59.28 | fuzzybunny | Vasistha: on a VM |
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| 17:59.30 | Vasistha | fuzzybunny: how did you instruct it to do that data erasure? |
| 17:59.37 | tenco | can someone give me a hint how i need to configure my natbox (iptables) to use vpnc through it? |
| 17:59.47 | biatche | OK, I'll make it simpler so it's easier to understand me. I'm trying to link two cybercafes together via ADSL. I'm doing testing from home now to see if this works. |
| 17:59.56 | enouf | drexxi: i'm getting outta my league at this point .. (raid arrays), but don't go trying to wipe stuff if you don't know what's there nor what you're doing .. a raid1 array uses nDisks / 2 |
| 18:00.02 | fuzzybunny | Vasistha: on the setup I chose encrypted LMA or something like that |
| 18:00.03 | mfrisch | wols your always right. |
| 18:00.08 | Vasistha | xand: heh, makes me think of the south park easter episode... |
| 18:00.10 | xand | fuzzybunny: not sure what the BBC has to do with it? |
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| 18:00.19 | enouf | if they're all the same size and all used .. blah alah blah <-- there ;-P |
| 18:00.21 | fuzzybunny | ... |
| 18:00.27 | fuzzybunny | xand: ever see pulp fiction? |
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| 18:00.40 | fuzzybunny | Bitch Be Cool = BBC |
| 18:00.43 | fuzzybunny | brb |
| 18:00.45 | wols | mfrisch: sarcasm ,or simply bad grammar? |
| 18:00.52 | fuzzybunny | Be Right Back = brb |
| 18:00.54 | fuzzybunny | ;) |
| 18:00.59 | biatche | wols: I've heard some people achieved that, but I'm trying to figure out how its done. They can play LAN games within these 2 cybercafes. |
| 18:01.02 | enouf | drexxi: IOW from everything you've sid so far ..everything is working fine ;-P |
| 18:01.04 | xand | fuzzybunny: sadly |
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| 18:01.12 | xtrmntr | sorry about the potentially stupid question, but how do i downgrade back to squid 2.5 with etch? |
| 18:01.13 | mfrisch | wols: bad grammar you are always right? |
| 18:01.14 | enouf | s/sid/said |
| 18:01.38 | drexxi | enouf so we are at this point, raid is active yes? |
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| 18:01.43 | iXneonXi | So, "debian-40r0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" sounds good for a first-install fast, useable desktop? =D |
| 18:01.43 | wols | biatche: start with getting the router connected via VPN. ignore te clients |
| 18:01.45 | jelly | biatche: your games running over tcp and have a single server? |
| 18:01.54 | Fadoksi_ | iXneonXi: for me: yes |
| 18:01.59 | wols | iXneonXi: no. we told you netinst |
| 18:02.09 | iXneonXi | wols:I have netinst but I'd have to configure |
| 18:02.12 | SDBolts21n56 | I need help run X over ssh |
| 18:02.14 | enouf | drexxi: you'll need to look at mdstats, and other things to make sure it's fine, but it would appear so at this point |
| 18:02.26 | wols | iXneonXi: you always do when you don't know what you want anyways |
| 18:02.26 | omg0 | what is the doskey equivalent command? |
| 18:02.39 | redduck666 | SDBolts21n56: what's wrong? |
| 18:02.40 | biatche | I've setup a simple pptpd server already, and that works. I can individually connect clients... but this is not something that I want to achieve, connecting client by client to the VPN server.. |
| 18:02.41 | SDBolts21n56 | how do I start a desktop Envirorment over ssh |
| 18:02.41 | wols | iXneonXi: all you get with that CD1 is basically gnome. which you can get easily with netinst too |
| 18:02.44 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: did you forward X in your sshd config? |
| 18:02.49 | wols | redduck666: does not exist |
| 18:02.51 | Vasistha | omg0: I don't think you need to run doskey. bash already does way more than doskey, by default |
| 18:03.01 | redduck666 | wols: hmm? |
| 18:03.08 | wols | redduck666: debian has sane shells that have this "feature" inbuilt |
| 18:03.08 | biatche | What I need is to connect two networks together, and filter out somehow via iptables or something, which I've yet to master still heh. |
| 18:03.11 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: you don't. you can tunnel vnc. |
| 18:03.14 | Vasistha | omg0: what functionality are you looking for? |
| 18:03.29 | redduck666 | wols: hmm? |
| 18:03.30 | enouf | drexxi: you may even have LVM on top of raid .. what do i know :-) |
| 18:03.31 | iXneonXi | wols: I have spare time. I'll start with netinst and load XFCE in a VM just to try it out |
| 18:03.33 | omg0 | Vasistha, It's not working. For the up/down to give the previous command |
| 18:03.42 | omg0 | I get 8888 when I press it |
| 18:03.45 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, yes i can. I can start xcalc, how do i start gnome? |
| 18:03.48 | Vasistha | omg0: turn off your numlock. |
| 18:03.55 | redduck666 | SDBolts21n56: gdm? |
| 18:03.58 | wols | biatche: why would you need iptables for that? |
| 18:04.01 | drexxi | enouf lets try to partition that drive o? i dont thinc there would be a raid |
| 18:04.12 | SDBolts21n56 | redduck666, let me try |
| 18:04.15 | drexxi | even if there would be a raid its not that bad if i crash that system |
| 18:04.16 | omg0 | Vasistha, not using num lock |
| 18:04.23 | wols | biatche: proper subnetting and ip_forward should be all you need. and a router with 2 NICs of course |
| 18:04.29 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: it is a little silly but try gnome-session |
| 18:04.46 | enouf | drexxi: I have to go now for a bit .. look to others here perhaps for further help .. they're very knowledgeable |
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| 18:04.53 | Vasistha | omg0: well, maybe there's an issue with your keyboard. Does the same up arrow work in other places? |
| 18:04.54 | Azar | iXneonXi: I guess this is the netinstall, take a look over: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
| 18:04.58 | biatche | wols: hmm, why two nics? |
| 18:05.00 | drexxi | enouf than u dude u really helped me :) |
| 18:05.03 | drexxi | you you* |
| 18:05.05 | drexxi | sry :) |
| 18:05.08 | drexxi | and sorry for dude |
| 18:05.09 | drexxi | lol |
| 18:05.09 | drexxi | xD |
| 18:05.11 | wols | biatche: cause the router is connected to two subnets |
| 18:05.16 | Vasistha | !tell drexxi -about enter |
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| 18:05.18 | redduck666 | drexxi: s/\r/,/ |
| 18:05.24 | Fadoksi_ | Azar: too late :) |
| 18:05.26 | enouf | drexxi: it's fine .. just stop hiyying the enter key so often |
| 18:05.35 | drexxi | yes... :) |
| 18:05.36 | enouf | s/hiyying/hitting |
| 18:05.40 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:05.43 | Azar | Fadoksi_: eh meh.... |
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| 18:06.06 | Azar | people should do a bit of research before starting an upgrade or new install... lots of info out there |
| 18:06.09 | fuzzybunny | Vasistha: does it normally take this long? |
| 18:06.10 | omg0 | Vasistha, no it doesn't |
| 18:06.20 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, i will try. redduck666, when I run gdm the console getting restarted. |
| 18:06.30 | draeath | Vasistha, I just realized something... maybe just copying the disk/pool directories somewhere and just using them as local repos... rather then messing with mountpoints and such? |
| 18:06.45 | drexxi | so can somebudy help me to tell me if im running a software raid? |
| 18:06.46 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: there is a dm that tunnels ssh. |
| 18:06.47 | Azar | ... as with every stuff one buys there are manuals to read befor plugging in.. |
| 18:06.51 | Christoph_vW | I can't get the 2nd NIC to work :( |
| 18:06.54 | draeath | Vasistha, that's all I would end up doing anyways in your example (except i would be using local repos mounted from ISO) |
| 18:06.56 | Vasistha | fuzzybunny: how should I know? I've never set up an encrypted LMA ;-) |
| 18:06.57 | redduck666 | drexxi: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 18:07.13 | killerstorm | helo. when i've updated kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 on Debian Sarge SATA disk was detected as sda, not hda, and system did not boot until i manually edited grub config |
| 18:07.17 | fuzzybunny | I guess I shouldn't have |
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| 18:07.28 | Vasistha | omg0: well, clearly, the problem is with the keyboard, not with bash ;-) bash always defaults to having up/down functionality the way you want. |
| 18:07.35 | wols | killerstorm: that is normal and to be expected |
| 18:07.36 | Azar | killerstorm: it sounds about right.. |
| 18:07.51 | draeath | killerstorm, if you must, you could probably configure udev to make a link from sda to hda |
| 18:07.52 | wols | killerstorm: you might have to change your /etc/fstab too to sdX |
| 18:07.55 | drexxi | [raid0] [raid1] [linear][multipath] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10] unused devices: <none> |
| 18:08.00 | biatche | wols: I'm not that good yet.. I actually have a linksys router, providing access to eth0 which is on 192.168.0.x subnet, what should another nic do in this case? |
| 18:08.05 | drexxi | i thin that means i dont use any raid right? |
| 18:08.06 | stew | killerstorm: yes, that is normal, if you need to boot both, you can use root=LABEL=labelname instead of referring to a specific /dev entry |
| 18:08.06 | Vasistha | draeath: what exactly are you trying to achieve, anyway? We can give you better advice if we actually know what it is you want. |
| 18:08.15 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, i sorry you lost me dm =display manager but what do you mean that it tunnes ssh? |
| 18:08.26 | draeath | Vasistha, i don't want to download everythign from debian.org and friends, and i dont want disk swapping |
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| 18:08.36 | wols | biatche: can your linksys do VPN? |
| 18:08.36 | Vasistha | fuzzybunny: just give it a little more patience, it'll finish up soon enough |
| 18:08.37 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: yes for remote logins |
| 18:08.45 | redduck666 | drexxi: correct. no raid there. |
| 18:08.49 | Vasistha | draeath: so.... why can't you do a net install? |
| 18:09.03 | Vasistha | draeath: and, what does disk swapping have to do with it? |
| 18:09.05 | drexxi | cool, can you help me to parition /dev/sdb? |
| 18:09.05 | draeath | Vasistha, no im up and running - i just dont want to swap disks or waste bandwidth |
| 18:09.21 | draeath | Vasistha, i used .torrent to make the DVDs for etch |
| 18:09.27 | wols | draeath: if you download full ISOS you will waste bandwith for sure |
| 18:09.29 | Azar | draeath: swap is normal hygiene just allocate a bit to it |
| 18:09.32 | biatche | wols: It can pass VPN i suppose. I've setup forwarding on port 1723, GRE does pass through.. if this is what you mean. |
| 18:09.40 | Christoph_vW | my 2nd nic isn't getting an IP: http://rafb.net/p/0zCqmi87.html |
| 18:09.45 | killerstorm | now system boots, but is somewhat weird -- ext3 mounted to / says it's using hda2, while hda2 device is not accessible. as i understand, ext3 is configured not by fstab, but somehow in initrd |
| 18:09.50 | Vasistha | Azar: I have a feeling he's not actually talking about swap ;-) |
| 18:09.51 | zoldar | after fresh install i've got following message during boot: mount: Mounting /dev/sda2 on /root failed: No such device, and then f"ilesystem doesn't have /sbin/init". After reboot it went ok, but then after next one, the same thing. It happens randomly. Anybody experienced something similiar |
| 18:09.52 | wols | Azar: he doesn't mean swapspace but swapping disks since debian doesn't fit on a single ISO |
| 18:10.00 | Azar | draeath: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch < take a look |
| 18:10.03 | redduck666 | drexxi: are you using mdadm? |
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| 18:10.08 | Azar | Vasistha: ahhhh :) |
| 18:10.10 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, will i can run gnome-session and i have the desktop, but there are a lot of keyboard errors. can you us more the two desktops? |
| 18:10.32 | draeath | Azar, it's ok, im copying the repos to a local drive and I'm going to use them from there. |
| 18:10.32 | bolt | How can I quit Xorg from the command prompt? I used to just do killall XFree86 (not good, I know) but killall doesn't seem to exist on etch |
| 18:10.33 | RubenGA_ | Hello :) |
| 18:10.36 | RubenGA_ | apt-get install psmisc bolt |
| 18:10.38 | Vasistha | bolt: which killall |
| 18:10.40 | roxy_ | bolt: with init |
| 18:10.41 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: don't think so. use xnest? |
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| 18:10.45 | drexxi | redduck666 no i never used it |
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| 18:10.46 | wols | draeath: that wastes a tremendous amount of bandwith on the debian servers |
| 18:10.56 | dkr | bolt: ctl-alt-backspace :) |
| 18:11.00 | wols | draeath: unless you have a big site with many debian installations |
| 18:11.02 | redduck666 | drexxi: how do you plan to set up raid? |
| 18:11.03 | draeath | wols, i don't think you understand what im saying... im copying FROM THE DVDs |
| 18:11.03 | RubenGA_ | Uhmm, where can I download debian potata isos? |
| 18:11.07 | biatche | wols: I'm looking at it now, my linksys has a VPN passthrough section && IPSEC VPN Tunnel section... if that means anything. |
| 18:11.09 | RubenGA_ | potato |
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| 18:11.11 | draeath | ;) |
| 18:11.21 | drexxi | redduck666 i dont want a raid, i only want to format 320gb to ext3 |
| 18:11.23 | RubenGA_ | archive.debian.org does not contain iso's, any idea? |
| 18:11.29 | redduck666 | RubenGA_: out of curiosity, why would you want that? |
| 18:11.29 | draeath | cdimage.debian.org |
| 18:11.29 | bolt | RubenGA_: ah. that did it. thanks :) |
| 18:11.47 | RubenGA_ | redduck666: I want to test some exploits, only for testing |
| 18:11.57 | redduck666 | drexxi: ah, first make sure you have a partition on your harddrive, cfidsk /dev/sdb |
| 18:12.15 | Azar | RubenGA_: if the potato's kernel version will accept your hardware |
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| 18:12.30 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, how do i use xnest? |
| 18:12.30 | redduck666 | RubenGA_: damn vulnerable linux was meant excatly for that. |
| 18:12.43 | EvilDin | am one short question i use debian sarge and vserver compiled kernel, will be all ok, if i make apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:12.49 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: man xnest |
| 18:13.02 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, can i see you private message? |
| 18:13.03 | RubenGA_ | redduck666: well, this is non-important :), I only wanto to know where to download an isos :), you know? |
| 18:13.15 | drexxi | redduck666 no nothing in that table |
| 18:13.22 | mfrisch | SDBolts21n56: about to eat..don't know much about it. |
| 18:13.25 | redduck666 | drexxi: create a partition there |
| 18:13.27 | bzed | !tell EvilDin about sarge->etch |
| 18:13.29 | RubenGA_ | Azar: I think so |
| 18:13.40 | Azar | ok where the release notes dissapeared? http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:13.42 | draeath | hmm cdimage doesn't have anything but etch. Not even jigdo! |
| 18:13.56 | Azar | err.. I know: stable |
| 18:13.58 | drexxi | redduck666 thans dude :) |
| 18:14.07 | draeath | Azar, yep :) |
| 18:14.09 | drexxi | ahh* sry for dude :/ |
| 18:14.26 | redduck666 | drexxi: now that you created the partition, format it, mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:14.28 | Azar | EvilDin: you want to read it first: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:14.30 | roxy_ | EvilDin: I did it today, I had some serious bugzilla and mod_jk2 problem but nothing unsolvable |
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| 18:14.50 | Christoph_vW | any idea why my NIC doesn't get an IP: http://rafb.net/p/0zCqmi87.html ? |
| 18:14.54 | drexxi | yeah thx you very much :) |
| 18:14.56 | SDBolts21n56 | mfrisch, cool thanks again i will try to find more info. |
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| 18:15.47 | earthian | how do i install a package from different version (i.e. from sid) |
| 18:15.49 | draeath | Christoph_vW, that is NOT wireless, right? |
| 18:15.50 | earthian | with apt? |
| 18:15.51 | redduck666 | Christoph_vW: there are at least a dozen of reasons why it doesn't get an ip... :/ |
| 18:15.56 | Christoph_vW | no, it is not |
| 18:15.58 | stew | Christoph_vW: do you get a link light on the card? |
| 18:16.02 | Christoph_vW | yes |
| 18:16.03 | draeath | Christoph_vW, assuming all the connections are good, and the router is good |
| 18:16.09 | Christoph_vW | they are |
| 18:16.14 | draeath | Christoph_vW, MAC filtering, some kind of auth like kerberos, etc |
| 18:16.18 | Christoph_vW | no |
| 18:16.19 | draeath | is this at home? |
| 18:16.21 | redduck666 | Christoph_vW: can you ping the router? |
| 18:16.28 | wols | Christoph_vW: does it work if you set up the IP manually? |
| 18:16.30 | Christoph_vW | from another machine - sure |
| 18:16.31 | RubenGA_ | redduck666: Can you help me please? :) |
| 18:17.06 | draeath | Christoph_vW, set yourself a static IP: "ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add default gw 192.168.1.1" adjust as needed. Then try to ping it... |
| 18:17.08 | stew | Christoph_vW: can you get an ip address from eth0? |
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| 18:17.29 | redduck666 | RubenGA_: i don't know where to get potato isos. |
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| 18:17.54 | neoone | hallo |
| 18:18.06 | Christoph_vW | unreachable |
| 18:18.15 | RubenGA_ | redduck666: thanks anyway |
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| 18:18.45 | wols | RubenGA_: one single google search later: http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-netinst/potato/files/?fl=d |
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| 18:19.02 | Christoph_vW | strange - it is still on dynamic |
| 18:19.08 | neoone | hello can somebody tells me where i can find a list of hardware which i can use with etch? - sorry my english isnt well... |
| 18:19.15 | wols | !hcl |
| 18:19.16 | dpkg | well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 18:19.17 | draeath | Christoph_vW, why eth1? whats eth0? |
| 18:19.23 | Christoph_vW | ah, no it is not |
| 18:19.34 | wols | !tell neoone about de |
| 18:19.34 | Christoph_vW | eth0 is the other NIC, which is working fine |
| 18:19.36 | RubenGA_ | wols: thanks! |
| 18:19.44 | stew | Christoph_vW: you can get an ip with dhclient using eth0? |
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| 18:19.49 | Christoph_vW | sure |
| 18:19.58 | stew | Christoph_vW: what if you swap the two ethernet cables? |
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| 18:20.07 | neoone | thanks |
| 18:20.09 | drexxi | redduck666 how to mount that drive now? |
| 18:20.09 | Christoph_vW | different networks... |
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| 18:20.11 | draeath | Christoph_vW, if you set a static ip on eth1, can you ping that IP? (maybe something fudged in the IP stack?) |
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| 18:20.18 | Christoph_vW | draeath: no |
| 18:20.21 | Christoph_vW | I can't |
| 18:20.26 | stew | Christoph_vW: does the eth1 card have a link light when you plug the cable in? |
| 18:20.28 | draeath | eek |
| 18:20.28 | redduck666 | drexxi: mkdir /mnt/sdb1; mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 |
| 18:20.32 | draeath | that ain't good |
| 18:20.34 | Christoph_vW | stew: yes |
| 18:20.47 | draeath | stew, he can't ping his own IP if he sets that NIC static |
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| 18:20.49 | wols | Christoph_vW: does eth1 give out a message in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 18:21.02 | Christoph_vW | let me check... |
| 18:21.14 | draeath | dmeg | grep eth1 |
| 18:21.26 | xand | how can I stop apt from trying to install/configure something that won't install? |
| 18:21.26 | stew | Christoph_vW: can you get an ip address from eth0 using dhclient if you switch the cables? |
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| 18:21.47 | stew | draeath: i don't believe that he actually tested that |
| 18:21.48 | Vasistha | xand: remove it. |
| 18:21.51 | Christoph_vW | lots of: |
| 18:21.51 | Christoph_vW | eth1: tx_timeout: tx_done_idx=90 free_idx=117 cmdsts=8000005a |
| 18:21.51 | Christoph_vW | eth1: after: tx_done_idx=90 free_idx=117 cmdsts=8000005a |
| 18:21.54 | xand | Vasistha: yes, how? |
| 18:22.00 | wols | xand: define "won't install". maybe paste? |
| 18:22.08 | Vasistha | xand: (apt-get|aptitude) remove package |
| 18:22.11 | wols | Christoph_vW: bad cable or bad NIC |
| 18:22.21 | xand | Vasistha: it's not installed |
| 18:22.27 | draeath | Christoph_vW, or bad device on the other end of the cable... thats possible too |
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| 18:22.33 | Christoph_vW | both was running before (with Windows Server 2003) |
| 18:22.35 | draeath | Christoph_vW, cable is < 100m long? |
| 18:22.41 | Christoph_vW | 3m |
| 18:22.42 | Vasistha | xand: yeah, I think the paste thing is a good idea |
| 18:22.51 | xand | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6030 there |
| 18:23.03 | Vasistha | xand: even if it's not installed, it may be *marked* for installation |
| 18:23.09 | draeath | I THINK maybe the kernel is using the wrong driver? possible? |
| 18:23.17 | stew | draeath: no |
| 18:23.25 | draeath | modprobe always loaded some lame bcm driver for my wireless... |
| 18:23.31 | draeath | never worked |
| 18:23.40 | draeath | had to blacklist it and load my own module |
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| 18:24.00 | stew | draeath: he is using the correct module |
| 18:24.10 | draeath | hmm, i have no idea what is wrong then |
| 18:24.17 | drexxi | redduck666 i cant change the filesystem to extended? |
| 18:24.31 | xand | Vasistha: it's trying to remove it, and that fails |
| 18:24.43 | xand | and I can't dist-upgrade because of it |
| 18:24.48 | Christoph_vW | great... 200$ wasted when the card is not working in the server :( |
| 18:24.57 | stew | Christoph_vW: how do you know the card isn't working? |
| 18:25.01 | redduck666 | drexxi: i'm afraid i don't understand the question. |
| 18:25.07 | draeath | Christoph_vW, try using a liveCD of some kind and see if it works there |
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| 18:25.21 | Vasistha | xand: yeah, I see. hum, have you tried issuing a "force" flag with the dist-upgrade? I had to do that when my dist-upgrade crashed out |
| 18:25.23 | draeath | Christoph_vW, something completely different than debian (gentoo maybe?) |
| 18:25.26 | stew | Christoph_vW: can you get an ip address via dhcp from eth0 if you swap the cables? |
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| 18:25.42 | Christoph_vW | stew: one sec... I will give it a try |
| 18:26.06 | redduck666 | Christoph_vW: out of a curiosity, what kind of nic do you have? |
| 18:26.07 | draeath | stew, at this point i would be putting a sniffer on the other end of that link :/ |
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| 18:27.31 | drexxi | redduck666 could u tell me which number of that cfdis is extended 3? |
| 18:27.49 | Vasistha | xand: rather, -f is for "fix" :P |
| 18:28.04 | Christoph_vW | redduck666: http://www.superwarehouse.com/Netgear_GA622T_Network_Adaptor/GA622T/p/101448 |
| 18:28.17 | Christoph_vW | looks like it is cheaper now (bought it some years ago) |
| 18:28.26 | redduck666 | drexxi: 83. but you shouldn't need to set that by hand. |
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| 18:29.08 | xand | Vasistha: hmm, moving the .so file it complains about seems to have made it happy |
| 18:29.18 | rysiek|pl|brb | re |
| 18:29.19 | draeath | Anyone know if its possible to have a 'fallback' for a symlink? example, if the symlink target doesn't exist... point /here/ |
| 18:29.25 | Vasistha | xand: heh, that's one way :-) |
| 18:29.33 | xand | draeath: nope it's not |
| 18:29.36 | redduck666 | drexxi: no. |
| 18:29.40 | draeath | xand, darn! |
| 18:29.42 | Christoph_vW | the only other NIC I have in spare is an Intel Pro 1000SX cards, but I don't have SX fibre modules anymore |
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| 18:30.54 | draeath | xand, i suppose that would be something unionFS would be for (the target would be on a removable medium) |
| 18:30.54 | Vasistha | !tell rysiek|pl about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:30.54 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: thanks |
| 18:30.54 | Vasistha | np |
| 18:31.15 | Vasistha | draeath: you can probably write a short bash script to get around the trouble |
| 18:31.20 | drexxi | redduck666 he want to cnow that filesystem on type mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 |
| 18:31.27 | drexxi | mount -t ? |
| 18:32.04 | simonrvn | man mount |
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| 18:32.46 | Christoph_vW | oh |
| 18:32.46 | Christoph_vW | DHCPACK from 10.10.1.100 |
| 18:32.46 | Christoph_vW | bound to 10.10.1.109 -- renewal in 343047 seconds. |
| 18:32.46 | redduck666 | drexxi: you didn't issue the second command i geve you, did you? |
| 18:32.53 | redduck666 | Christoph_vW: what was wrong? |
| 18:32.57 | drexxi | which command |
| 18:33.02 | drexxi | may i overread it |
| 18:33.03 | Christoph_vW | no idea |
| 18:33.11 | Christoph_vW | it just started working |
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| 18:33.22 | stew | nice lease time |
| 18:33.26 | draeath | Vasistha, the only bash I know is the kind I use on my foot and the door, getting up in the morning sometimes... :D |
| 18:33.27 | redduck666 | 20:14:24 < redduck666> drexxi: now that you created the partition, format it, mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:33.38 | stew | !343047 / 60 / 60 / 24 |
| 18:33.38 | dpkg | 3.970451388889 |
| 18:33.51 | Vasistha | draeath: I'll help you in #bash if you'd like |
| 18:33.55 | drexxi | redduck666 ah sry i really overread it |
| 18:33.56 | stew | oh, ok, 4 days insn't crazy, it looked bigger |
| 18:34.04 | xand | nice round number ;) |
| 18:34.06 | draeath | redduck666, mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 would be better... |
| 18:34.09 | drexxi | thx |
| 18:34.20 | redduck666 | draeath: because...? |
| 18:34.23 | draeath | Vasistha, thanks, but I'm concentrating on learning Java ATM - my brain can only hold so much |
| 18:34.28 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: is there a way of passing the to-be-called ./configure script some arguments with dpkg-buildpackage? manpages are silent about it (of course I can always make a wrapper around the ./configure script calling ./configure.orig with my args, but there *has* to be a better way) |
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| 18:34.58 | abrotman | the rules |
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| 18:34.59 | tux_ | hi all ! |
| 18:35.08 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.20 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: people just add --arguments to ./configure's CL in debian/rules ... |
| 18:35.20 | tux_ | The Debian 4.0 is out, which is great news but... how to get it? |
| 18:35.27 | simonrvn | same place |
| 18:35.30 | rysiek|pl | mfrisch: ah, m'kay |
| 18:35.31 | xand | tux_: eh? |
| 18:35.38 | tux_ | I mean that both BT and HTTP are overloaded and are not moving :( |
| 18:35.38 | markybob | tux_: go read the release notes? the installation manual? |
| 18:35.39 | draeath | tux_, upgrade or new install? |
| 18:35.46 | mfrisch | rysiek|pl: or what simonrvn said ^^^^^^^^ |
| 18:35.50 | tux_ | How does Jigdo compares to BT ? |
| 18:36.04 | tux_ | the problem is downloading not install |
| 18:36.04 | draeath | tux_, jigdo grabs the files from the repos and builds the ISO |
| 18:36.08 | xand | use netinstall |
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| 18:36.13 | draeath | BT just grabs a pre-made ISO from a crapload of people |
| 18:36.18 | rysiek|pl | mfrisch: so, ./configure --my-args; dpkg-buildpackage ... should do the trick? |
| 18:36.23 | xand | ftp.uk.debian.org is working fine for me |
| 18:36.30 | tux_ | xand>: netinstall is not an option |
| 18:36.30 | draeath | tux_, BT probably faster now, more stress on the repos |
| 18:36.36 | markybob | it's not a problem if you'd read the freaking release notes that tell you where to get it |
| 18:36.37 | tux_ | I want all offline |
| 18:36.51 | rysiek|pl | tux_: all ~20cds? |
| 18:36.52 | draeath | tux_, use BT and get the DVD iso's if you have a DVD burner (3 disks) |
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| 18:36.54 | xand | what use a computer with no internet ;) |
| 18:36.59 | xand | +is |
| 18:37.10 | tux_ | rysiek|pl: just 3 DVDs |
| 18:37.10 | rysiek|pl | xand: coffee table |
| 18:37.10 | simonrvn | a typwriter with fancy ribbon |
| 18:37.14 | simonrvn | type* |
| 18:37.26 | tux_ | draeath> : yes |
| 18:37.31 | tux_ | that's what I do |
| 18:37.39 | draeath | tux_, I used BT to get the DVDs. right now im copying the dists/pools from the DVDs to my hard drive to avoid disk swapping |
| 18:37.49 | tux_ | but since I don't know jigdo technology at all, I wanted to ask how well it performs |
| 18:37.55 | draeath | tux_, it' |
| 18:38.06 | draeath | tux_, it's decent, but if the mirrors are loaded (likely) BT would be better |
| 18:38.09 | tux_ | because BT seems SLLOOOOW |
| 18:38.17 | draeath | tux_, last night the AMD64 dvd images had over 80 seeders each |
| 18:38.27 | draeath | with less than 200 leaches |
| 18:38.33 | drexxi | draeath why tould that other filesystem be better? |
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| 18:38.59 | Christoph_vW | I still can not ping the router :/ |
| 18:39.05 | draeath | drexxi, 'mke2fs -j' is the same - mke2fs is a frontend for all those mkfs.XXX commands |
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| 18:39.28 | Christoph_vW | and the ethtool output for eth1 is a little bit small... |
| 18:39.34 | Christoph_vW | just: Link detected: yes |
| 18:39.40 | draeath | tux_, i was getting about 150-200 kbps on each DVD |
| 18:39.47 | drexxi | draeath ah o thans |
| 18:39.50 | tux_ | btw: did the debian check the Edonkey option ? |
| 18:40.01 | draeath | tux_ ? |
| 18:40.03 | tux_ | ed2k link? or how well it performs? |
| 18:40.15 | draeath | tux_, ed2k is a different network than BT and the others |
| 18:40.19 | draeath | i wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:40.32 | rysiek|pl | oh, heck with it, why bother. dpkg-buildpckg throws a crapload of dependancies at me when trying to use it, while make compiles the app nicely. I'm doing installwatch |
| 18:40.44 | tux_ | draeath> : well, I get about 10 kBps out of 190 kBps from nvidia server |
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| 18:40.56 | draeath | nvidia server? |
| 18:40.57 | tux_ | using BT |
| 18:41.08 | Christoph_vW | ok... the cable is the problem |
| 18:41.22 | tux_ | nvidia server - is something that I test my internet connection... like a benchmark :) |
| 18:42.02 | Christoph_vW | but when I try to change the default gw - I get "network unreachable" |
| 18:42.09 | tux_ | so I use only 5% of my bandwidth with BT |
| 18:42.09 | Vasistha | is there a way to make .deb's out of already compiled packages, without using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 18:43.14 | stew | Vasistha: dpkg-deb -b iirc |
| 18:43.26 | larsl | Vasistha: If you have a Makefile with an 'install' target you can use checkinstall. |
| 18:43.28 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: ^^^ |
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| 18:44.12 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: just won't let go, will you? ;) ok, thanks, trying that |
| 18:44.33 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: you asked for help and you're gonna get it!!!!! |
| 18:44.46 | tux_ | people: help me get hi-speeds on bittorrent |
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| 18:44.53 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: aaa, no, no, I beg you, let me do it the Wrong way!.. |
| 18:44.56 | tux_ | my bandwidth used is just 5% |
| 18:45.00 | xand | tux_: bless. |
| 18:45.09 | tux_ | thanks :) |
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| 18:45.17 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: well, you can always /ignore Vasistha ;D |
| 18:45.19 | xand | there is a debian mirror 10m from me |
| 18:45.23 | xand | (www.mirrorservice.org) |
| 18:45.24 | timewriter | i cant make x run |
| 18:45.34 | Ronin | timewriter: and why not |
| 18:45.36 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: yeah, but that would be too easy :) |
| 18:45.37 | Vasistha | xand: ten meters? what, do you work there? |
| 18:45.40 | tonyb2006 | poor baby |
| 18:46.02 | tux_ | draeath>u said, you got VERY hi speeds with BT, but how? |
| 18:46.08 | xand | Vasistha: well, I'm not involved in the mirror but yes |
| 18:46.14 | timewriter | Ronin: it says No SCREENS FOUND |
| 18:46.17 | timewriter | sorry for aps |
| 18:46.18 | timewriter | caps |
| 18:46.23 | timewriter | im on irssi right now |
| 18:46.27 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 18:46.30 | timewriter | no device detected |
| 18:46.33 | tonyb2006 | what else does it say |
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| 18:46.42 | timewriter | just that |
| 18:46.46 | timewriter | 1 fatal error |
| 18:46.51 | stew | timewriter: no device detected means that you chose a driver that does not support your graphics card |
| 18:46.52 | tonyb2006 | you have 1 video card? |
| 18:46.58 | timewriter | lol |
| 18:47.01 | stew | !drxx timewriter |
| 18:47.01 | dpkg | timewriter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:47.05 | timewriter | tonyb2006 is funny |
| 18:47.07 | timewriter | :)) |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | stew: 4-0! |
| 18:47.25 | stew | abrotman: 4-0 = 4 |
| 18:47.28 | tonyb2006 | why? a lot of people have internal gfx controllers + a newer gfx card |
| 18:47.36 | abrotman | stew: yes .. that's true |
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| 18:48.03 | killerstorm | looks like my initrd 'remembers' that root ext3 partition was on /dev/hda2 when i have it on /dev/sda2 now, and /dev/hda2 does not exist.. how should i update this and rebuild initrd? |
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| 18:48.10 | Vasistha | stew: no, factorial(0) = 1 so 4-0! = 3 |
| 18:48.47 | timewriter | tonyb2006 u asked if i have a video card :) |
| 18:48.49 | abrotman | isn't that !4-0 ? |
| 18:48.53 | timewriter | it was funny for me :) |
| 18:48.57 | tonyb2006 | heh |
| 18:49.11 | tonyb2006 | I meant as in, one, the number less than two :P |
| 18:49.12 | timewriter | i reconfigured xorg |
| 18:49.25 | timewriter | tonyb2006: yes i have an ATI X800GTO |
| 18:49.36 | timewriter | it seems like ati has troubles with linux |
| 18:49.41 | timewriter | i hate ati |
| 18:49.44 | Christoph_vW | am I doing something wrong here? |
| 18:49.44 | Christoph_vW | stuwo-server:~# route add default gw 10.10.1.100 |
| 18:49.44 | Christoph_vW | SIOCADDRT: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar |
| 18:49.47 | Vasistha | timewriter: sorry to hear that |
| 18:50.03 | Vasistha | timewriter: I think I heard someone say that matrox makes wonderful linux-compatible video cards |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | Christoph_vW: is the interface up ? |
| 18:50.10 | timewriter | Christoph_vW: what erreichbar stands for |
| 18:50.15 | timewriter | its german |
| 18:50.17 | xand | Christoph_vW: please translate. |
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| 18:50.27 | Christoph_vW | not reachable |
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| 18:50.32 | timewriter | this network is not reachable |
| 18:50.33 | timewriter | uhm |
| 18:50.36 | Christoph_vW | the interface is up |
| 18:50.36 | militant | is there a deb or something to give me all those neato screensavers that sarge had? etch doesn't seem to have more than a half dozen |
| 18:50.44 | Christoph_vW | I can ping the gateway |
| 18:50.57 | stew | Christoph_vW: what is the ip address / netmask of the network card? |
| 18:51.07 | stew | Christoph_vW: wait, do you already have a default gateway on eth0? |
| 18:51.10 | xand | why don't you specify the gw in your interfaces file? |
| 18:51.16 | Vasistha | militant: have you done an apt-cache search (or a p.d.o search) for screensaver, or "saver"? |
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| 18:51.47 | Christoph_vW | doesn't have an IP anymore :/ |
| 18:51.53 | bullium | I've tried numerious times over the years to do a dist upgrade and have never successed. I just did a fresh install of 3.1r3 a week ago and now want to go to 4.0 anyone have any good pointers? |
| 18:52.00 | manup_ | how do i route the ip A over B? |
| 18:52.07 | Christoph_vW | looks like the cable was ok |
| 18:52.14 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: ...well, for dbkg -b to work I would have to have the debian/ dir, which I obvioulsy have not. |
| 18:52.17 | stew | Christoph_vW: dhclient will assign a default gateway if you don't already have one from eth0 |
| 18:52.20 | redduck666 | manup_: man route is too complicated reading for you? |
| 18:52.23 | stew | Christoph_vW: do you already have one from eth0? |
| 18:52.29 | Vasistha | bullium: read the release notes first? I'd never tried a dist-upgrade before sarge->etch, and it worked fine for me, twice |
| 18:52.36 | Christoph_vW | yes, but the connection is fusked up again |
| 18:52.37 | stew | manup_: what is A and B? |
| 18:52.41 | militant | Vasistha: doin it now, just wondered if there was a specific one |
| 18:52.43 | timewriter | still no device detected by Xorg |
| 18:52.46 | raz0 | militant, Hm? I installed the 'kde' package, and I have /a lot/. |
| 18:52.49 | timewriter | what the hack :( |
| 18:52.56 | manup_ | redduck666, yes, it is. i dont understand it :( |
| 18:53.07 | manup_ | stew, A and B are ips, like 192.168.2.3 |
| 18:53.08 | xand | manup_: what are you trying to do exactly |
| 18:53.14 | militant | i don't want kde. but tehre's a package of kde screensavers i'm fetching now |
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| 18:53.25 | timewriter | gnome is better |
| 18:53.26 | manup_ | xand, this is very complicated to tell... let me try |
| 18:53.28 | redduck666 | manup_: route add -host A gw b |
| 18:53.40 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: hum, sorry to hear that :P wish I had an easy fix for you, but I'm sadly inexperienced... you could try searching google for advice. |
| 18:53.40 | rahul | ip route add A via b |
| 18:53.47 | redduck666 | (you might have to add interface name at the end, if you have multpile IF's present) |
| 18:53.58 | rahul | /bin/route is so 90s. |
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| 18:54.07 | stew | werd |
| 18:54.09 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: back to the drawing board then... :) |
| 18:54.20 | bullium | Vasistha: your reply is a little messed up...you've never tried a dist-upgrade but it worked twice? |
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| 18:54.26 | timewriter | hmm |
| 18:54.28 | manup_ | rahul, is ip route add... same as redduck666's? |
| 18:54.30 | rysiek|pl | guys, how *bad* and idea would be to get a package from testing and dpkg --install it on stable? |
| 18:54.30 | rahul | er sbin, rather :P |
| 18:54.38 | timewriter | do i need to install ati driver manually ? |
| 18:54.42 | timewriter | yes |
| 18:54.44 | timewriter | of course |
| 18:54.53 | rahul | manup_: yes, but the ip command has a nicer syntax |
| 18:55.05 | Vasistha | bullium: I *had* never tried a dist-upgrade *before* [I tried] sarge->etch |
| 18:55.07 | rahul | manup_: not too significant here, but for more complex things, it's nice |
| 18:55.08 | manup_ | rahul, yeah, that is right. |
| 18:55.09 | mfrisch | timewriter: use module-assistant |
| 18:55.17 | stew | and "ip r a A via B" is nice and succinct :) |
| 18:55.22 | {cyborg} | rysiek|pl: you might want to use backports |
| 18:55.27 | rahul | heh |
| 18:55.34 | redduck666 | rahul: what's ''in'' nowadays? dynamic routing? |
| 18:55.39 | rysiek|pl | {cyborg}: m'kay |
| 18:55.41 | rahul | redduck666: iproute2 |
| 18:55.43 | Vasistha | bullium: and I did it on two computers. Actually, the second one gave a little hiccup, but I got it back on track easily enough |
| 18:55.45 | stew | rysiek|pl: what pacakge? |
| 18:55.45 | bullium | Vasistha, Oh ok, sorry. |
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| 18:55.49 | timewriter | mfrisch: im new to debian |
| 18:55.50 | {cyborg} | rysiek|pl: it's testing software recompiled to work with stable libraries |
| 18:55.51 | Christoph_vW | just found an old 3com card - I will replace the NIC now :( |
| 18:55.54 | timewriter | can u guide me step by step |
| 18:55.56 | stew | rahul: s/2// |
| 18:56.00 | Vasistha | bullium: heh, that's okay |
| 18:56.05 | raz0 | rysiek|pl, If you're not going with backports, I'd rather set up pinning and use aptitude |
| 18:56.13 | bullium | Vasistha, I'll try reading through the release notes |
| 18:56.14 | mfrisch | !fgrx |
| 18:56.19 | rahul | stew: yeah, ok |
| 18:56.23 | rahul | whatEVA. |
| 18:56.24 | xand | ARGH |
| 18:56.26 | redduck666 | rahul: i prefer route as it works almost the same way on all unix'es i 've worked with :) |
| 18:56.27 | malagmyr | Is there a way I can make xorg automatically start some applications on different desktops when I launch it? Like, I want GAIM and IRC on the first desktop, icedove on the second, etc. |
| 18:56.30 | manup_ | xand, i have two routers and i am able to connect from pc A to B via ssh, but not the other way round. |
| 18:56.32 | Christoph_vW | 100MBit/s is still better than no connection at all |
| 18:56.34 | rahul | redduck666: it does? |
| 18:56.35 | stew | rahul: you going to go to vol de niut on sunday? |
| 18:56.44 | rysiek|pl | stew: checkinstall |
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| 18:56.49 | rahul | sunday is months away |
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| 18:56.59 | rahul | I just started making plans for saturday, heh |
| 18:57.04 | redduck666 | rahul: yes, ''gw'' apart the adding and removing routes is the same on etch as on solaris 2.6 :) |
| 18:57.10 | manup_ | xand, the point is, that one router isnt actually a router, is is an wlan-router with ONE cable-connection which is connected with 2nd router |
| 18:57.18 | timewriter | im google for it with lynx |
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| 18:57.44 | mfrisch | !fglrx |
| 18:57.45 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 18:58.03 | mfrisch | timewriter: see ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 18:58.14 | stew | rysiek|pl: was checkinstall updated today? are you sure there are different versions in etch and lenny? that would be unlikely |
| 18:58.14 | timewriter | mfrisch: yes i can see |
| 18:58.19 | timewriter | im trying to handle |
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| 18:58.33 | rahul | stew: what's going on there sunday, anyway? |
| 18:58.40 | mfrisch | /fglrx one-liner |
| 18:58.40 | stew | rahul: etch release party |
| 18:58.45 | rahul | haha, really? |
| 18:58.46 | rahul | nice |
| 18:58.56 | rysiek|pl | stew: point is: checkionstall is *not* available in etch. in sarge - aye, in lenny - aye; not in etch |
| 18:58.59 | rahul | hrm, that's tax day |
| 18:59.01 | redduck666 | mrew: /msg dpkg fglrx one-linner |
| 18:59.05 | rahul | and red bull home opener |
| 18:59.10 | timewriter | i did m-a prepare |
| 18:59.17 | abrotman | rahul: soccer ? |
| 18:59.20 | rahul | abrotman: yeah |
| 18:59.22 | abrotman | erm .. futbol! |
| 18:59.29 | rahul | well, tax day would be monday, actually |
| 18:59.33 | stew | rysiek|pl: oh, sorry, yes, in this case it would be safe, but in general you should be careful about installing testing package on stable? |
| 19:00.10 | timewriter | !flgrx |
| 19:00.11 | stew | rahul: http://lists.yukidoke.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debian-nyc-soc |
| 19:00.17 | timewriter | uhm |
| 19:00.18 | rysiek|pl | stew: ok, so I'm doing the get-the-package-from-testing-and-install-on-stable thing now. finally, eh... thanks |
| 19:00.34 | mfrisch | !flgrx one-liner |
| 19:00.56 | redduck666 | !fglrx one-liner |
| 19:00.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 19:01.04 | timewriter | mfrisch: i have no browser , just lynx :( |
| 19:01.11 | beoba | random curiosity: do there exist home routers which support ipv6? |
| 19:01.33 | mfrisch | timewriter: vesa should work without the kern mod |
| 19:01.45 | timewriter | so what should i do then |
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| 19:01.50 | redduck666 | timewriter: apt-get install elinks. congrats now you have a browser. |
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| 19:01.54 | timewriter | choose vesa on xorg ? |
| 19:01.56 | mfrisch | timewriter: build the kernel and wait |
| 19:02.01 | dkr | weird, release notes list "e-mail servers: Exim 4.63 (default email server for new installations), Postfix 2.3, Courier 0.53, Cyrus 2.2" but not sendmail which is, of course, also included |
| 19:02.02 | timewriter | redduck666: thanks |
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| 19:02.17 | rysiek|pl | stew: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/checkinstall -> 404 Not Found... grabbing the one from unstable |
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| 19:02.49 | Christoph_vW | with the 3com card it seems to work |
| 19:02.56 | rysiek|pl | stew: funny thing is: the package is found in the testing repos by the package search tool |
| 19:03.30 | timewriter | mfrisch: im a newbie |
| 19:03.36 | timewriter | trying to handle linux |
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| 19:04.00 | warreng_ | how do i get java running on a debian install? |
| 19:04.05 | redduck666 | !java |
| 19:04.07 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
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| 19:04.24 | mfrisch | timewriter: vesa is for generic video support in X. If you do the kern mod you will have accelerated 3d |
| 19:04.31 | redduck666 | !install java |
| 19:04.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 19:04.37 | redduck666 | warreng_: ^^^ |
| 19:04.53 | timewriter | and how do i do that |
| 19:05.13 | mfrisch | timewriter: The one-liner as root! |
| 19:05.14 | scv | is java still worth of wasting the brain? |
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| 19:05.28 | warreng_ | ah sweet |
| 19:05.43 | rysiek|pl | xand: not all of it, AFAIK |
| 19:05.47 | xand | hm |
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| 19:06.00 | dkr | there is java-gcj-compat |
| 19:06.01 | BlueParrot | scv: depending on what you are doing Java can be quite nice actually |
| 19:06.04 | timewriter | haha |
| 19:06.05 | timewriter | im up |
| 19:06.06 | BlueParrot | as with most languages |
| 19:06.06 | dkr | and java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 19:06.09 | timewriter | X is up iupii |
| 19:06.14 | scv | would they create a jave-based package manager? o.o |
| 19:06.18 | scv | hahaha |
| 19:06.23 | xand | whom? |
| 19:06.26 | timewriter | i have chosen vesa instead of ati |
| 19:06.29 | timewriter | in xorg-conf |
| 19:06.32 | timewriter | and is up |
| 19:06.36 | scv | the... elite |
| 19:06.38 | mfrisch | timewriter: with vesa or right |
| 19:06.42 | BlueParrot | timewriter: what card ? |
| 19:06.43 | timewriter | mfrisch: yes |
| 19:06.44 | timewriter | thank you |
| 19:06.45 | rysiek|pl | timewriter: what gf card do you have exactly? |
| 19:06.49 | timewriter | BlueParrot: X800GTO |
| 19:06.53 | timewriter | from Connect3D |
| 19:07.00 | rysiek|pl | ahh |
| 19:07.01 | BlueParrot | ah, slightly less legacy than my 9200 SE then :P |
| 19:07.06 | timewriter | but i moded it |
| 19:07.22 | timewriter | and its 16 pp and higher frenquencies |
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| 19:07.30 | scv | i wish there was a real free jave called "avaj" |
| 19:07.51 | timewriter | now it actes like and X850XT |
| 19:07.55 | timewriter | acts* |
| 19:08.01 | omg0_ | stew: had to take a break from this thing and tend to my son. He only wants to play with my things and none of his toys. Keep fighting me for the computer |
| 19:08.07 | timewriter | brb |
| 19:08.08 | scv | oh~ 9200? |
| 19:08.15 | BlueParrot | clearly what you need is just a modified GCC which refuses to compile anything that contains "malloc" |
| 19:08.15 | rysiek|pl | timewriter: I don't think you will be able to use it to full potential, at least not as long as ati releases the docs (like it did for r300-based cards) |
| 19:08.46 | BlueParrot | scv: an old Radeon card |
| 19:09.06 | scv | is it the R300? |
| 19:09.12 | BlueParrot | I dunno |
| 19:09.28 | BlueParrot | It uses the radeon driver at least |
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| 19:09.34 | stew | omg0_: teach him how to fix bugs in debian pacakges and let him play with that all day |
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| 19:11.09 | fibonacci235 | Alright, i'm having trouble with this subject (can't find much on google), and not even sure if it is possible. Can i modify the Removable Drives and Media automounting feature? |
| 19:11.13 | omg0_ | stew: I will when he gets older. He only 2. Maybe my 7 yr will since she keeps bugging me about the computer. I think I will pull one of the p11 in the garage for her to mess with |
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| 19:12.58 | BlueParrot | scv it seems as if the 9200 SE is a budget version of the Rv280 |
| 19:13.12 | BlueParrot | if I udnerstood things correctly |
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| 19:13.30 | BlueParrot | scv: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware#head-465a5bcb4ff2a8459736c469bfac6c242de7f3c1 |
| 19:13.39 | Basic_py | Looking for the official word on the length of time debian will provide security updates for sarge. Cannot seem to find any time frame on www.debian.org |
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| 19:14.14 | Quibus | Hi, any idea where I can find a list which etch packages are on which cd and dvd? |
| 19:14.29 | scv | BlueParrot, the r300 was the base of any centrino laptop... r280? aye~ |
| 19:14.44 | BlueParrot | scv: not a laptop |
| 19:14.58 | BlueParrot | It is an AGP card in my 3 year old desktop |
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| 19:15.24 | BlueParrot | I really wish I had known more about Linux and hardware when I bought it ... |
| 19:15.30 | xand | BlueParrot: nope, you definitely have a laptop |
| 19:15.39 | BlueParrot | : ) |
| 19:15.43 | scv | i think... fx5200 ultra was better then |
| 19:15.52 | BlueParrot | xand: it is a little heavy for that :P |
| 19:16.04 | xand | BlueParrot: go to the gym |
| 19:16.06 | omg0_ | stew: I pasted the apt-cache contents in pastebin http://pastebin.ca/433346 |
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| 19:17.13 | xand | right, how do I get a list of all installed packages? |
| 19:17.19 | fibonacci235 | let me rephrase, when you put in a usb flashdrive, debian automatically mounts it and makes it usable. I need to edit it to switch out a filesystem type. Is this possible? |
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| 19:18.02 | redduck666 | xand: dpkg -l | grep ^ii probably |
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| 19:18.13 | Flimzy | Is there any way to differentiate between a dual-core and a hyperthreaded CPU? |
| 19:18.45 | redduck666 | xand: maybe even dpkg --get-selections |
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| 19:19.25 | zir0faive | dpkg --get-selections | egrep '\Winstall' |
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| 19:19.47 | xand | right thanks |
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| 19:20.06 | boodie | Hi: can anybody suggest me the security repository (I have on an etch on AMD64)? |
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| 19:20.42 | bzed | Quibus: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ << the .jidgo-files are gzip compressed package lists |
| 19:20.49 | xyz123 | hi, i have some serious problems with my nvidia geeforce 4 4400 and glx. Xorg wont start when i have module glx enabled in my xorg.conf, any ideas? |
| 19:21.13 | bzed | boodie: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:21.19 | Vasistha | boodie: I think it should be this: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main # and if you want, add contrib non-free at the end |
| 19:21.22 | Quibus | bzed: thanks, just found that out myself :-) |
| 19:21.22 | stew | omg0_: woah, woody? is there a reason you haven't upgraded to sarge yet? |
| 19:21.27 | redduck666 | xyz123: way to little info. you could start with posting Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:21.29 | zir0faive | xyz123: egrep '(WW|EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:21.37 | boodie | thanx |
| 19:21.48 | bzed | stew: didn't omg0_ upgrade from sarge to etch lately!? |
| 19:21.57 | stew | bzed: see his pastebin |
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| 19:22.10 | omg0_ | bzed: different machine now |
| 19:22.14 | xyz123 | # egrep '(WW|EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:22.15 | xyz123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.15 | xyz123 | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. |
| 19:22.15 | xyz123 | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/CID" does not exist. |
| 19:22.15 | xyz123 | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Speedo" does not exist. |
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| 19:22.27 | xyz123 | (EE) NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter problems, Please try |
| 19:22.29 | xyz123 | (EE) NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. |
| 19:22.31 | bzed | !paste |
| 19:22.31 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 19:22.31 | xyz123 | sry guys |
| 19:22.32 | stew | xyz123: don't paste here |
| 19:22.36 | omg0_ | stew: I have a size restriction |
| 19:22.43 | xyz123 | !paste |
| 19:22.43 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 19:22.46 | bzed | !tell xyz123 about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:22.52 | xand | what does this mean? |
| 19:22.53 | xand | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! apache2 |
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| 19:23.01 | stew | !info coreutils sarge |
| 19:23.06 | dpkg | coreutils: (The GNU core utilities), section base, is required. Version: 5.2.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2520 kB, Installed size: 7096 kB |
| 19:23.14 | stew | !info coreutils woody |
| 19:23.43 | peritus | xand: i guess you should /msg dpkg no public key |
| 19:23.46 | stew | omg0_: i don't know where you got that coreutils pacakge from, it is older than sarge, and woody doesn't have a coreutils pacakge |
| 19:23.53 | xand | peritus: but I don't get that error |
| 19:23.54 | stew | omg0_: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 19:24.07 | peritus | xand: are you using debian packages? |
| 19:24.11 | xyz123 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6031 |
| 19:24.20 | xand | peritus: yes. |
| 19:24.26 | peritus | xand: as in offical packages |
| 19:24.29 | xand | yes |
| 19:24.42 | bzed | xyz123: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 19:24.52 | stew | xand: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 19:25.08 | xand | well, s/aptitude/apt-get/ but yes that works |
| 19:25.14 | stew | oh, heh |
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| 19:25.32 | bzed | xyz123: if you've used the nv.run thing from nvidia.com you need to remove this shit first, before you install debian's nvidia packages |
| 19:25.37 | timewriter | debian is amazing |
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| 19:25.49 | xand | I'm trying to be rid of apache2 and its config files really |
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| 19:26.00 | jm|laptop | is anyone having problems with rdesktop recently? |
| 19:26.17 | xand | apache2 package is not installed according to dpkg, but the program and its config is there :| |
| 19:26.23 | xyz123 | bzed tnx |
| 19:26.32 | omg0_ | what command to see libc version? |
| 19:26.34 | jm|laptop | xand: apt-get remove --purge apache2 ? |
| 19:26.52 | boodie | Sorry, I pasted "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free", but it says it can't fetch the list of packages |
| 19:26.56 | redduck666 | omg0_: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 19:27.02 | xand | jm|laptop: I did that |
| 19:27.10 | bzed | xand: apache2 is split into several packages |
| 19:27.29 | stew | xand: the config files are owned by apache2-common |
| 19:27.41 | xand | what about the binary? |
| 19:27.45 | bzed | apache2.2-common in etch afaik |
| 19:27.52 | rysiek|pl | xand: aptitude purge apache2* I think should do the trick |
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| 19:28.57 | rysiek|pl | why the hell is that freeradius in the repos comes without rlm_eap_tls ("because it depends on openssl, and that has a *bad* licence"), but libssl is in there? |
| 19:29.18 | timewriter | is there any mirrors that i should add to source.list ? |
| 19:29.26 | xand | I have --purged all apache2 packages execpt apache2-utils but it won't get rid of /etc/apache2 |
| 19:29.35 | xand | or /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 19:30.29 | xand | so, how do I see what files a package belongs to? |
| 19:30.30 | zir0faive | xand: dpkg --get-selections | grep apache |
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| 19:30.41 | asg | xand: dpkg -S <file> |
| 19:30.41 | xand | hm |
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| 19:30.56 | azeem | xand: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 19:31.10 | xand | azeem: that's the wrong way round |
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| 19:31.18 | xand | asg had the answer :) |
| 19:31.21 | stew | dlocate is faster than dpkg -S |
| 19:31.38 | xand | zir0faive: i'm not sure what "install" and "deinstall" mean... |
| 19:31.47 | stew | (and actually works in both directions with no switches) |
| 19:31.49 | asg | xand: also, if you altered the configs, I think even --purge won't remove them. |
| 19:31.49 | zir0faive | install means the package in installed |
| 19:31.52 | azeem | xand: well, your questions isn't really parsable |
| 19:31.56 | zir0faive | deinstall means it's deinstalled |
| 19:31.56 | mo1991 | can someone explain to me what would be necessary to encrypt my filesystem using debian etch - running eetch right now and looking to reinstall with encrypted sytem. I have back everything up - but I dont' want to destroy my small 5 gig windows partition that I never use but keep in case of emergency |
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| 19:31.58 | zir0faive | but not purged |
| 19:32.00 | boodie | Hmmm - now it won't find the debian-multimedia repository, should I comment it off? |
| 19:32.03 | xand | azeem: learn english then |
| 19:32.26 | asg | stew: true but dlocate isn't installed by default |
| 19:32.26 | fibonacci235 | Can anyone tell me anything about the automounting system in debian? |
| 19:32.27 | stew | zir0faive: well, technically, install means an install was requested, not that its necessarily installed |
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| 19:32.38 | stew | asg: true, but its faster |
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| 19:32.53 | asg | stew: agreed |
| 19:32.56 | stew | asg: :) |
| 19:33.01 | zir0faive | stew: oh, ok. |
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| 19:33.22 | stew | in fact its probably faster to install it and use it than querying dpkg -S :) |
| 19:33.42 | asg | stew: unless one has a slow link and an even slower system ;) |
| 19:34.08 | bzed | asg: no, a fast system on a modem connection, then dpkg -S would be faster :P |
| 19:34.50 | zir0faive | you may try the bestial technique? |
| 19:34.53 | asg | bzed: dpkg -S used to drag quite nicely on my p200 |
| 19:35.03 | zir0faive | apt-cache search '^apache' | awk '{ print $1; }' | xargs dpkg --purge |
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| 19:35.22 | redduck666 | zir0faive: how about dpkg --purge 'apache*'? |
| 19:35.56 | zir0faive | redduck666: because that way you purge also libapache* files |
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| 19:36.02 | zir0faive | however |
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| 19:36.10 | zir0faive | i never said that was a good way |
| 19:36.15 | bzed | zir0faive: would you really need them without apache? |
| 19:36.16 | zir0faive | just a bestial way :D |
| 19:36.28 | timewriter | tryin to install ati drivers still |
| 19:36.30 | xand | sigh, I do "apt-get remove --purge apache2.2-common", and it says "Purging configuration files for apache2.2-common ...", but /etc/apache2 remains |
| 19:36.30 | omg0 | stew: the return from libc6 version is 2.3.3 http://pastebin.ca/433396 |
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| 19:36.55 | \amethyst | xand: are there any files left there? |
| 19:36.59 | xand | yes |
| 19:37.01 | mfrisch | xand: dpkg -l|grep apache |
| 19:37.05 | rgsteele | xand: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 19:37.12 | rgsteele | mfrisch: Great minds think alike |
| 19:37.34 | rgsteele | xand: Anyways, after you get the results, do a purge on those too. |
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| 19:37.53 | \amethyst | xand: Files that don't belong to the apache2.2-common package? |
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| 19:38.07 | mfrisch | xand: some files are still not removed even after a purge if its not installed you can remove those files. |
| 19:38.19 | xand | the only thing apache2 related is apache2-utils and that's needed for apache1.3 |
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| 19:38.33 | \amethyst | xand: does any package own the remaining files? |
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| 19:38.44 | xand | \amethyst: not according to dpkg -S |
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| 19:38.52 | \amethyst | xand: That's why they weren't removed |
| 19:39.00 | xand | no it's not |
| 19:39.08 | xand | dpkg bloody put them there |
| 19:39.15 | xand | I don't see why it can't remove them |
| 19:39.26 | \amethyst | xand: .dpkg-dist and/or .dpkg-old files? |
| 19:39.37 | timewriter | should i install the amd64 kernel if i run a dual core cpu ? |
| 19:39.43 | xand | ah well, they are gone now. |
| 19:39.44 | zir0faive | i'm tempted to say to xand: "rm -r /etc/apache" |
| 19:39.58 | asg | zir0faive: it's always worked for me |
| 19:40.00 | rgsteele | xand: dpkg is just messing with your head :) |
| 19:40.06 | zir0faive | well, /etc/apache2 in that case |
| 19:40.10 | zir0faive | asg: :) |
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| 19:40.32 | rgsteele | zir0faive: Except you need to give it the -f flag if the dir isn't empty. |
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| 19:40.43 | bzed | xand: did you know that there's a conf.d in /etc/apache2 where several other packages drop configs? |
| 19:40.49 | zir0faive | rgsteele: not with -r it seems |
| 19:40.50 | xand | I rm the directory. if i then reinstall apache2.2-common it recreates it. but if i then remove --purge it again, it leaves them there |
| 19:41.00 | xand | bzed: not according to dpkg |
| 19:41.01 | bzed | xand: so purging apache does not mean /etc/apache2 is gone |
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| 19:41.40 | zir0faive | zir0faive@caramel:~$ mkdir foo; touch foo/bar; rm -r foo |
| 19:41.40 | zir0faive | zir0faive@caramel:~$ |
| 19:41.41 | rgsteele | zir0faive: Doesn't it prompt you to remove every file in there though without the -f? |
| 19:41.41 | xand | i'm going to kill the person that built this machine and installed loads of crap on it |
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| 19:42.06 | zir0faive | if the file have the write flag on i think not |
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| 19:42.09 | asg | xand: we don't encourage suicide in #debian |
| 19:42.12 | rgsteele | xand: Don't. You'll end up like Hans Reiser. |
| 19:42.16 | xand | asg: It was NOT me. |
| 19:42.21 | bzed | !kill xand |
| 19:42.30 | timewriter | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 19:42.32 | timewriter | :(( |
| 19:42.36 | fibonacci235 | !dpkg ntfs-config |
| 19:42.42 | zir0faive | what happened to hans reiser? |
| 19:42.54 | bzed | timewriter: apt-get install debhelper |
| 19:43.05 | bzed | zir0faive: not much jet, he's waiting in jail |
| 19:43.05 | timewriter | thanks |
| 19:43.07 | yoio | hi all. does anyone know how can i make a squid to use a specific ip for the connexions it makes with the inet(the machine has several ip's) ? thanks |
| 19:43.23 | xand | rgsteele: of course. |
| 19:43.24 | rgsteele | zir0faive: He murdered his ex-wife's new lover. Or so the evidence seems to preclude. |
| 19:43.37 | azeem | rgsteele: eh. |
| 19:43.37 | bzed | rgsteele: uh? |
| 19:43.43 | \amethyst | rgsteele: He is accused of killing his estranged wife, no one else |
| 19:43.43 | azeem | anyway, this is off-topic |
| 19:43.44 | fibonacci235 | !ntfs-config |
| 19:43.55 | zir0faive | oh |
| 19:43.59 | asg | yoio: have you asked #squid yet? |
| 19:44.01 | rgsteele | \amethyst: Ah, yeah something like that. Guess that's why I'm not a prosecutor :) |
| 19:44.05 | mfrisch | \amethyst: much better. did he kill puppies too? |
| 19:44.08 | bzed | rgsteele: and he did not murder her until court decides that he murdered her |
| 19:44.13 | yoio | asg" none alive in there |
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| 19:44.23 | rgsteele | bzed: Yeah, that's why I said "Or so the evidence seems to preclude" |
| 19:44.39 | stew | please drop this off-topic conversation, or take it somewhere more appropriate |
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| 19:44.49 | \amethyst | rgsteele: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what it think you means. |
| 19:44.56 | \amethyst | s/it think you/you think it/ |
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| 19:45.55 | asg | yoio: you might look at the tcp_outgoing_address config item to see if it fits your purposes. |
| 19:46.24 | yoio | asg, thanks- i`ll take a look now |
| 19:46.38 | bzed | xand: I'll write a bug report regarding that apache problem |
| 19:47.00 | rgsteele | bzed: If you actually look at the evidence, it's pretty daunting. I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm just saying his lawyer is going to have to earn his stripes :) Anyways, I'll drop it at stew's request. |
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| 19:47.39 | DragonD | Which is better to use postfix or exim? |
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| 19:47.48 | asg | DragonD: it depends on your requirements |
| 19:47.51 | rgsteele | Eh, depends on your preference. |
| 19:48.13 | rgsteele | I like working with Exim, personally. |
| 19:48.13 | zir0faive | DragonD: well, if laziness is important to you, exim. it's installed by default by debian |
| 19:48.18 | BUMBACL0T | ETCH is released? |
| 19:48.20 | BUMBACL0T | bs? |
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| 19:48.23 | zoldar | hello, what to do in situation when during bootup one scsi controller (onboard) is discovered in first place (sda), and during next bootup the other one (external raid) ? |
| 19:48.24 | Scurz | yes |
| 19:48.28 | rgsteele | BUMBACL0T: True. |
| 19:48.29 | direktorzz | http://wintools.extra.hu/ Win a geforce 7900gs vga |
| 19:48.30 | Christoph_vW | where is the iptables config file in debian? I can't find it |
| 19:48.31 | direktorzz | http://wintools.extra.hu/ Win a geforce 7900gs vga |
| 19:48.32 | zir0faive | BUMBACL0T: yes it is. |
| 19:48.36 | bzed | !milk BUMBACL0T |
| 19:48.40 | DragonD | well i've always used postfix in the past... but exim is allready installed i just don't know how to configure it |
| 19:48.48 | BUMBACL0T | i've been waiting for that shit, so sarge is history? |
| 19:48.48 | stew | Christoph_vW: there isn't one |
| 19:48.54 | Christoph_vW | oh |
| 19:48.54 | wols | DragonD: you can easily install postfix |
| 19:48.58 | asg | DragonD: if you are more comfortable with postfix, just install it. Exim will be removed. |
| 19:48.58 | jplibre | DragonD: They are both great. Use them both. postfix may be better in some environments. |
| 19:49.09 | stew | BUMBACL0T: sarge is not tagged "oldstable", it will be suppported for one year, or until lenny is released |
| 19:49.11 | bzed | Christoph_vW: there is none. install some firewall managment package or write yourself a firewall script |
| 19:49.12 | rgsteele | DragonD: I believe the default config is in /var/spool/exim |
| 19:49.28 | Christoph_vW | no firewall installed by default? |
| 19:49.33 | jplibre | zoldar: You want to use udev instead I think |
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| 19:49.33 | stew | Christoph_vW: correct |
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| 19:49.48 | Christoph_vW | ok... then the problem must be somewhere else :) |
| 19:49.52 | rgsteele | DragonD: But, if you want to customize it to work well, the standard place to do so is /etc/exim4 |
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| 19:50.04 | KurtKraut | How can I traceroute a UDP packet, like tcptraceroute does to TCP ? |
| 19:50.10 | jplibre | Christoph_vW: there is no config file - there might be a list of rules available, but 'iptables -L -nv' will show you the current state |
| 19:50.24 | BUMBACL0T | stew, so what's the new stable? |
| 19:50.29 | stew | BUMBACL0T: etch |
| 19:50.50 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 19:50.54 | zoldar | jplibre: doesn't default etch netinst cd install udev as default ? |
| 19:50.56 | Christoph_vW | jplibre: no rules set |
| 19:51.06 | stew | zoldar: yes |
| 19:51.14 | BUMBACL0T | stew, if i dist-upgrade, will it mess up my config files, etc? |
| 19:51.15 | zoldar | because this is the one i started to have problems with |
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| 19:51.48 | Christoph_vW | must be a dyndns problem then |
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| 19:52.06 | jplibre | zoldar: Yes, but you need to then use those device naming conventions instead of the order the kernel comes up with |
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| 19:52.36 | zoldar | where to look for information about that ? |
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| 19:52.42 | stew | BUMBACL0T: no. but read the realease notes before upgrading, please (/msg dpkg etch) |
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| 19:53.00 | vlt|home | Hello. How can I tell the X-server that my display is rotated 90° CW and mouse movement and screen orientation have to be transformed? Is X the one in charge here? |
| 19:53.05 | jplibre | zoldar: I run into this all the time with 30+ drive systems - you want to be using something like /dev/c0/u0/d1/p1 instead of /dev/sda1 |
| 19:53.13 | zoldar | that's a bit strange because afaik sarge also uses udev and i didn't have such problems before upgrade |
| 19:53.20 | \amethyst | zoldar: Specify your root filesystem and your mount point by UUID or label instead of device |
| 19:53.34 | \amethyst | zoldar: or by path, but that can change if you move hardware around |
| 19:53.37 | SDBolts21n56 | when we talk about x clients are we talking about applications? |
| 19:53.42 | \amethyst | SDBolts21n56: yes |
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| 19:53.45 | Vasistha | vlt|home: google xorg.conf rotate |
| 19:53.47 | yoio | asg: - that was it.... thanks again |
| 19:53.52 | asg | yoio: you're welcome |
| 19:53.54 | zoldar | ok, thanks... |
| 19:53.54 | jplibre | zoldar: give me 10 minutes and I can find my own internal docs - googling may help in the meantime. |
| 19:54.00 | \amethyst | SDBolts21n56: programs which talk to an X server |
| 19:54.08 | stew | vlt|home: you could seed if your hardware supports rotation using xrandr (man xrandr) |
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| 19:54.19 | BUMBACL0T | stew, im scared to dist-upgrade, i'd rather do a fresh install :/ |
| 19:54.36 | rgsteele | KurtKraut: Doesn't traceroute use UDP datagrams? |
| 19:54.37 | jplibre | zoldar: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev_vs_devfs |
| 19:54.44 | jplibre | zoldar: ah, okay |
| 19:54.52 | SDBolts21n56 | \amethyst, but the x server can be anywhere. That takes a bit for the mind to get around. |
| 19:54.54 | asg | BUMBACL0T: if you fail for some reason with the dist-upgrade, then you can always do a fresh install |
| 19:54.56 | stew | BUMBACL0T: well, if you would do a fresh install anyway, you could try a dist-upgrade, and if it doesn't work, do a fresh install |
| 19:54.57 | jplibre | zoldar: what amethyst said |
| 19:55.01 | zoldar | ok, thanks |
| 19:55.04 | zoldar | again |
| 19:55.08 | jplibre | zoldar: use the persistent names instead of the other ones |
| 19:55.14 | \amethyst | traceroute uses ICMP not UDP |
| 19:55.30 | KurtKraut | rgsteele, I need to traceroute a DNS request on port 53 |
| 19:55.33 | asg | \amethyst: it can use either depending on which options you use |
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| 19:55.43 | wad | Is there a way to count outbound emails using pflogsumm? It only seem to count inbound ones. |
| 19:55.44 | jplibre | rgsteele: no, it uses ... yeah |
| 19:55.53 | wad | s/seem/seems/ |
| 19:55.58 | jplibre | rgsteele: BUT, that is not all. |
| 19:56.14 | rgsteele | \amethyst: Only if you give it the -I flag |
| 19:56.26 | asg | KurtKraut: if you need to verify a udp port is open, you could always use netcat |
| 19:56.41 | \amethyst | aha, the default differs |
| 19:56.44 | jplibre | rgsteele: it figures out the distance to the end node, then sets the TTL from 0-END in order to find the intermediate nodes. |
| 19:56.47 | SDBolts21n56 | Tell me if i am wrong Desktop Envirorment > runs on Display Manager > runs on X server >runs on OS? |
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| 19:57.00 | KurtKraut | asg, I actually want to know where the port is blocked during the trace |
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| 19:57.12 | asg | KurtKraut: ah, okay |
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| 19:57.21 | jplibre | \amethyst: I ask that question to interviewees all the time, and you would get it wrong |
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| 19:57.25 | omg0 | bzed: on the box with the etch I have a little error I can live with. The only problem I got is I cannot play videos |
| 19:57.25 | stew | paratrace from paketto might be able to, but i dunno if it supports UDP or only TCP |
| 19:57.31 | asg | KurtKraut: use -p with traceroute to set the port |
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| 19:57.40 | schme | SDBolts21n56: You don't actually need the display manager. |
| 19:57.44 | stew | no, paratrace is only tcp |
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| 19:58.10 | KurtKraut | asg, looking into man traceroute it seems to me that he does not support UDP |
| 19:58.18 | omg0 | Does/Can anyone play their ShoutCast videos on VLC? |
| 19:58.24 | asg | KurtKraut: you may have to fiddle with the values since the -p value is incremented with each hop. |
| 19:58.27 | jplibre | \amethyst: but you are partially right - the intermediate host DOES use an ICMP time exceeded packet :) |
| 19:58.32 | kazuka | hello |
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| 19:58.57 | asg | KurtKraut: traceroute uses UDP by default, ICMP if -I is used |
| 19:59.02 | SDBolts21n56 | schme, you don't? |
| 19:59.11 | KurtKraut | asg, oh, good |
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| 19:59.41 | SDBolts21n56 | when i boot Debian up it loads a Display manager and desktop env? right? |
| 19:59.57 | tenco | omg0: i have no shoutcast videos :) |
| 19:59.57 | jplibre | KurtKraut: You want to do your normal traceroute - also, use some sense of network infrastructure, as it's probably blocked at one end or the other, not in between |
| 19:59.59 | \amethyst | SDBolts21n56: No, just the display manager (if that's enabled) |
| 20:00.01 | schme | SDBolts21n56: If that is how you have it set up I am sure it does that. |
| 20:00.22 | \amethyst | SDBolts21n56: The desktop environment doesn't usually run until someone logs in |
| 20:00.25 | omg0 | stew: did you see my response earlier to the question about libc6 |
| 20:00.29 | bzed | !tell omg0 about debian-multimedia |
| 20:00.36 | SDBolts21n56 | \amethyst, oh i see |
| 20:00.39 | Vasistha | SDBolts21n56: I dunno, what does debian do when it boots up? I use kde's (dangerous?) auto-login feature, myself |
| 20:00.47 | schme | SDBolts21n56: I log in at the normal console prompt, and when I need X I just do startx & |
| 20:00.49 | SDBolts21n56 | then what is the display manager doing? |
| 20:00.51 | schme | SDBolts21n56: No display manager. |
| 20:00.52 | omg0 | tenco, The latest version of VLC has shoutcast on it. |
| 20:00.56 | stew | omg0: oh i had missed it |
| 20:00.59 | asg | SDBolts21n56: a given display manager can start multiple DEs or even just simple window managers (i.e., gdm can start ion3 if that's what you are into.) |
| 20:01.01 | stew | !info libc6 woody |
| 20:01.07 | \amethyst | SDBolts21n56: it gives you a graphical login screen |
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| 20:01.17 | jplibre | asg: correct, tcptraceroute (what he mentioned at first) uses tcp packets |
| 20:01.27 | schme | SDBolts21n56: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager (: |
| 20:01.28 | omg0 | tenco, The radio works well. I like it. Could almost have a party with it |
| 20:01.32 | asg | stew: 2.2.5-11.8 |
| 20:01.39 | jplibre | mtr uses ICMP |
| 20:01.51 | stew | omg0: you seem to have already upraded past woody, and are running some kind of pre-release sarge |
| 20:02.02 | stew | omg0: so your options would be to upgrade to sarge, or reinstall woody |
| 20:02.21 | bzed | omg0: is there any reason why you want to try woody? |
| 20:02.28 | SDBolts21n56 | ohhh DM are the bridge between logon to DE's when talking about booting up? |
| 20:02.43 | omg0 | stew: got a low memery and old processor |
| 20:02.50 | stew | asg: (thanks, why dpkg didn't know that, i don't konw) |
| 20:02.56 | stew | omg0: how much memory? |
| 20:03.02 | Vasistha | SDBolts21n56: the display manager can be used to manage several different logins -- so you can have, e.g., two users logged in using different DE's (e.g. kde and fluxbox) but they'll both be running off of the one dm |
| 20:03.05 | asg | stew: I still have one woody box in sorta-production |
| 20:03.09 | omg0 | 32 megs, p133 |
| 20:03.22 | stew | omg0: no reason that coulnd't run sarge |
| 20:03.25 | \amethyst | Hm... traceroute-ng seems to try creating an ICMP socket even if you say -I udp |
| 20:03.38 | bzed | omg0: I'd run damn small linux on that, it's based on debian but optimized for old/slow/... systems |
| 20:03.42 | stew | omg0: (which you are already running, just an outdated one) |
| 20:04.11 | Regnad | stew: would etch choke on that 133/32? |
| 20:04.13 | zoldar | jplibre: i'm a bit concerned about further problems - i for example use drbd - and i'm not sure if it supports pointing device by UUID.... as for any other app that needs direct pointing of device... |
| 20:04.18 | stew | Regnad: no |
| 20:04.21 | SDBolts21n56 | Does DM's do anything else besides managing logon sessions? |
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| 20:04.50 | rgsteele | zoldar: I'm a drbd user myself - works quite well. |
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| 20:05.03 | fibonacci235 | !ntfs |
| 20:05.04 | myself_ | hi all |
| 20:05.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 20:05.07 | bzed | zoldar: every tool should support using /dev/disk/by-uuid/asdfdsdaf as devicename, if not, use udev to rewrite your devices accordingly |
| 20:05.13 | stew | man, peketto is a bunch of sick tools |
| 20:05.29 | zoldar | ah ok |
| 20:05.29 | fibonacci235 | !ntfsrw |
| 20:05.29 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
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| 20:05.45 | asg | stew: does it come with barf(1) and spew(8)? |
| 20:05.45 | bzed | zoldar: or use lvm on top of your devicess which will give you LVs with names you can choose. lvm is good enough to find it's pieces everywhere |
| 20:05.46 | stew | asg: in fact, it doesn't! |
| 20:05.54 | asg | stew: now, that's sick! |
| 20:06.01 | stew | asg: but it comes with a userspace NAT |
| 20:06.08 | asg | eep |
| 20:06.09 | omg0 | stew, basically I just need the pcmcia to recognize my card and I am straight |
| 20:06.23 | stew | omg0: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:06.25 | dkr | what simple image viewer also displays animated .gifs? |
| 20:06.39 | karsten | dkr: animate |
| 20:07.01 | bzed | omg0: pcmcia stuff was a mess on old kernels |
| 20:07.20 | twobitsprite | so... my usb mouse will occasionally stop responding and I have to unplug it and plug it back in... any idea what might cause this? |
| 20:07.26 | bzed | omg0: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ :)\ |
| 20:07.40 | omg0 | bzed: but I understand a lot of drivers are left out in the new kernel |
| 20:07.49 | dkr | karsten: danke |
| 20:07.49 | DragonD | What about a POP/IMAP server? and what is the diff? |
| 20:08.25 | karsten | dkr: Denada. |
| 20:08.48 | omg0 | bzed: I am familiar with the site. I often help folks over there. I get educated over here. hehehe |
| 20:08.52 | karsten | DragonD: POP & IMAP are two seperate remote mail access protocols. |
| 20:09.04 | karsten | DragonD: POP is for transfer, IMAP uses remote mailboxes. |
| 20:09.16 | mfrisch | DragonD: imap is good and downloads the headers then the message when you click on it...instead of all of them at once and has advanced folder options |
| 20:09.35 | bzed | omg0: I never managed to get a pci-based pcmcia device to work under sarge |
| 20:09.54 | dkr | karsten: not that you were going for accuracy since you replied to german in spanish, but "de nada" is two words :) |
| 20:10.05 | bzed | xand: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418605 ok? :) |
| 20:10.29 | karsten | dkr: xie xie. |
| 20:10.58 | DragonD | what imap server should i install? |
| 20:10.59 | dkr | karsten: xaroшo |
| 20:11.08 | karsten | dkr: ?? |
| 20:11.18 | bzed | DragonD: I'd recommend courier for small isntallations |
| 20:11.29 | \amethyst | kauf: means "good" |
| 20:11.38 | mfrisch | DragonD: dovecot is easy to set up. |
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| 20:11.49 | karsten | \amethyst: I suspect that was aimed at me? |
| 20:11.52 | \amethyst | karsten: yes |
| 20:11.56 | \amethyst | karsten: have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange? |
| 20:11.57 | hrmphh | can someone recommend a simple subversion package? just want to dl |
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| 20:12.10 | karsten | \amethyst: Droogs! |
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| 20:12.27 | karsten | hrmphh: svnn |
| 20:12.30 | \amethyst | karsten: That's where the word "horrorshow" comes from |
| 20:12.31 | karsten | hrmphh: svn |
| 20:12.37 | hrmphh | k |
| 20:12.43 | karsten | \amethyst: apropos what? |
| 20:13.04 | hrmphh | erm i dont see a 'svn' |
| 20:13.12 | omg0 | I tried DSL-n with the 2.6 kernel and that didn't fix the card problem |
| 20:13.12 | \amethyst | karsten: The Russian that dkr posted |
| 20:13.13 | hrmphh | theres a 'subversion' and 'svk' |
| 20:13.30 | mfrisch | hrmphh: subversion |
| 20:13.47 | karsten | \amethyst: Ah. |
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| 20:14.07 | karsten | hrmphh: what mfrisch said. |
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| 20:14.11 | bigwig | hi |
| 20:14.14 | dkr | karsten: why don't you do unicode? we should convert the whole world. :) |
| 20:14.16 | mfrisch | hrmphh: sourceforge has svn depositories if you want to check it out. |
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| 20:14.34 | \amethyst | Actually, I guess it's Ukrainian |
| 20:14.40 | hrmphh | i just want to be able to dl asterisk from their svn repository |
| 20:14.43 | hrmphh | i dont care about hosting naything |
| 20:14.46 | \amethyst | Since in Russian it's spelled with three os |
| 20:14.57 | hrmphh | ososos? |
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| 20:15.10 | mfrisch | hrmphh: whats the package not doing I am tryng to get asterisk to work too? |
| 20:15.16 | bigwig | i would like to use catacomb webdav server with autoversioning |
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| 20:15.29 | karsten | dkr: Something in my rxvt-unicode => ssh => screen => irssi-text session doesn't like it. So I see "??". |
| 20:15.34 | hrmphh | wellf irst of all package is 1.2 |
| 20:15.38 | hrmphh | 1.4 is way to go |
| 20:15.46 | hrmphh | and the 1.4.1 of zaptel has a bug in make menuselect |
| 20:15.47 | bigwig | i created a resource, then connected with cadaver and said: version <resource> |
| 20:15.49 | hrmphh | which is uberannoying |
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| 20:16.08 | mfrisch | hrmphh: doesn't work with many webui or config programs yet. |
| 20:16.09 | bigwig | now when mounting the share with davfs2, and trying to modify it, i get DAV:cannot-modify-version-controlled-content |
| 20:16.11 | karsten | hrmphh: Fondly refered to as U-annoying |
| 20:16.14 | hrmphh | bah |
| 20:16.18 | hrmphh | real men use config files w/vi |
| 20:16.23 | bigwig | could you please help me? |
| 20:16.26 | twobitsprite | hrmphh: I never understood the usage of german prefixes in english speaking... |
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| 20:16.46 | karsten | hrmphh: Real men use config files w/ed. |
| 20:16.51 | \amethyst | bigwig: is catacomb in debian? |
| 20:16.53 | mfrisch | hrmphh: you just make zaptel don't configure it use module-assistant |
| 20:17.00 | twobitsprite | karsten: ed is the standard editor |
| 20:17.01 | karsten | !tell \amethyst about search |
| 20:17.01 | bigwig | \amethyst: no |
| 20:17.02 | dkr | twobitsprite: english is 50% german (and 50% french and 50% latin) |
| 20:17.02 | twobitsprite | !ed |
| 20:17.03 | dpkg | i heard ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 20:17.25 | karsten | twobitsprite: I was configuring a system for RMS to use a few weeks back. |
| 20:17.29 | bigwig | \amethyst: i just hoped someone would help me |
| 20:17.30 | twobitsprite | dkr: well... old english is mostly german-like, but that doesn't mean that "uber" is part of english... |
| 20:17.33 | hrmphh | mf; why use m-a? |
| 20:17.36 | karsten | twobitsprite: We aliases 'emacs' to 'ed'. |
| 20:17.40 | nn-256 | what is a comand that will turn a tun of .xwd images to frams in an mpg and save the mpg |
| 20:17.47 | \amethyst | bigwig: #apache might be more helpful, but I don't know |
| 20:17.51 | karsten | nn-256: 'mogrify' ? |
| 20:17.56 | twobitsprite | karsten: lol |
| 20:17.59 | mfrisch | hrmphh: for zaptel. |
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| 20:18.21 | omg0 | stew: what made you say I have upgraded past woody and onto some pre-released sarge? |
| 20:18.27 | twobitsprite | dkr: btw... that's 150% |
| 20:18.30 | karsten | nn-256: Or xwud IIRC. xWindo UnDump. |
| 20:18.35 | putridp | Could someone point me in the right direction to create an etch base-system on a server for a network client to use as a root filesystem (with diskless booting)? |
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| 20:18.44 | ma3x | hello |
| 20:18.44 | dkr | twobitsprite: it is now. since so many english speakers know what it means. :) in fact, i just looked it up and it is in an american dictionary. :) 1 : being a superlative example of its kind or class : SUPER- <übernerd> m-w.com |
| 20:18.49 | mfrisch | hrmphh: you can use any source you want. |
| 20:18.49 | \amethyst | dkr: I don't know if I'd call Anglo-Saxon " |
| 20:18.49 | amphi | nn-256: mencoder is handy for turning frames into video |
| 20:18.52 | \amethyst | dkr: I don't know if I'd call Anglo-Saxon "German" |
| 20:18.54 | dkr | twobitsprite: that was the joke |
| 20:18.57 | karsten | nn-256: IMO you're better off using 'import -root' or 'scrot' than xwd, which does really grotty graphics. |
| 20:19.01 | stew | omg0: your libc6 version is somewhere in between the two (and, what started this, is that you have coreutils installed which never existed in woody, but exits in sarge, but at a newer versions) |
| 20:19.01 | ma3x | does anybody have experience connecting a serial printer? |
| 20:19.09 | ma3x | stew, hi |
| 20:19.11 | hrmphh | right but why should i use m-a? |
| 20:19.55 | dkr | twobitsprite: take for example the word "sound", it has a different meaning absed on its german root, its french root, its latin root, its norse root.... english is quite the hodgepodge. :) |
| 20:19.57 | karsten | putridp: You've googled "diskless debian" or "debian netboot" already? |
| 20:20.16 | karsten | dkr: Zounds! |
| 20:20.25 | nn-256 | what package is mencoder in |
| 20:20.34 | karsten | dkr: ... now, do you know the origin of that? |
| 20:20.34 | omg0 | stew: the coreutils is a result of the pcmcia install I believe |
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| 20:20.37 | karsten | !tell nn-256 about search |
| 20:20.40 | dkr | nn-256: I think it is its own package |
| 20:20.49 | dkr | karsten: God's wounds |
| 20:20.54 | omg0 | the libc was also upgraded as part of the gcc upgrade |
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| 20:20.55 | nn-256 | apt-cache turned up nothing |
| 20:20.58 | karsten | dkr: Did you know that or google it? |
| 20:21.01 | mfrisch | hrmphh: it adds zaptel to the kernel that you are running. builds a deb to. and you don't configure anything anyways ;-) compiling asterisk is a pain. What reason do you want the 1.4 tree for? |
| 20:21.02 | twobitsprite | dkr: true. I never said it was "incorrect"... merely that I didn't understand, and by that I mean, I don't understand the reasoning for eschewing perfectly good english words for german ones... |
| 20:21.12 | dkr | karsten: I knew. I am weird that way. :) |
| 20:21.16 | stew | omg0: that libc6 upgrade must have happened sometime in 2004 |
| 20:21.17 | \amethyst | twobitsprite: Which English word? "super"? |
| 20:21.28 | karsten | nn-256: You may need marillat repos. |
| 20:21.32 | karsten | !tell nn-256 about marillat |
| 20:21.32 | hrmphh | mf; i can use m-a on the zaptel source that i dl? doesnt have to be the package right |
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| 20:21.42 | karsten | dkr: As am I. |
| 20:21.48 | stew | omg0: but what caused it doesn't matter much |
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| 20:22.03 | stew | omg0: in general, you shouldn't try to mix two different releases |
| 20:22.19 | mfrisch | hrmphh: you do a ./configure for zaptel I think. Yes any source Debian should have some zaptel source for download (probally 1.2) |
| 20:22.24 | karsten | stew: Particularly not shaken. Stirred is OK. |
| 20:22.25 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: are you asking, which english word is being eschewed? yes, super would work... "really" also works, as in "really annoying" |
| 20:22.31 | dkr | ah yeah, mencoder package at debian-multimedia.org once I setup repos i forget abotu distinctions, I just have it or I don't :) |
| 20:22.39 | wols | is there a way to emulate a mouse and keyboard in X without having them attached? |
| 20:22.47 | omg0 | stew: how would you go about fixing that? |
| 20:22.48 | dondelelcaro | wols: numeric keypad |
| 20:22.56 | stew | omg0: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:22.57 | hrmphh | yes its 1.2 which i dont want, so i dl'ed 1.4 and compiled and installed |
| 20:23.02 | hrmphh | didnt need to use m-a |
| 20:23.11 | wols | dondelelcaro: no mouse, no keyboard. only access will be via x11vnc |
| 20:23.17 | karsten | wols: dondelelcaro suggested an alternate input method. Not sure exactly what you're using here. |
| 20:23.17 | wols | but I still need a mousepointer |
| 20:23.19 | omg0 | stew: you think going forward is the best course |
| 20:23.29 | mfrisch | hrmphh: yeah but when you upgrade a deb would help a lot! |
| 20:23.32 | vlt|home | stew: My h/w doesn't seem to support rotating. Can't X do this instead? Is its design really that poor? |
| 20:23.44 | omg0 | stew: won't that affect my DSL packages? |
| 20:23.45 | dondelelcaro | wols: can't you just export the X display to something that has them? |
| 20:23.46 | stew | omg0: i think its the only possible sane course |
| 20:23.51 | wols | I wanted to use Xvfb but turns out then wine has no directdraw/direct3d ut seens for some reason |
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| 20:23.55 | stew | omg0: what? you are running dsl? |
| 20:23.57 | hrmphh | upgrade? i still have fbsd 4.x boxes :) |
| 20:23.57 | stew | ugh |
| 20:24.10 | wols | so I might have to use real X |
| 20:24.30 | stew | vlt|home: i don't know |
| 20:24.40 | mfrisch | hrmphh: ewh go away ;-) nothing ever works with fbsd. |
| 20:24.44 | wols | dondelelcaro: no. the X client (wine) has to run autonomous |
| 20:24.45 | \amethyst | vlt|home: X design is rather archaic, yes... I think randr support depends on the driver supporting it |
| 20:24.48 | hrmphh | lol |
| 20:24.52 | hrmphh | /usr/ports > apt |
| 20:24.52 | hrmphh | ! |
| 20:24.57 | ma3x | why are serial devices not detected once I plug them in? |
| 20:25.06 | dondelelcaro | wols: why? |
| 20:25.28 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: becuase it's generally not possible to know when a serial device has been plugged in |
| 20:25.31 | putridp | karsten: well yes, but most seem to refer to previous versions of debian. Package 'diskless' doesn't seem to exist on etch |
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| 20:25.38 | wols | dondelelcaro: cause the program needs mouse/keyboard input but no one's there to give it. hence I use an autoitscript for that |
| 20:25.54 | wols | the program is a windows game btw |
| 20:25.55 | nn-256 | how do i tell dpkg to install required packegs when installing with -i |
| 20:26.01 | dkr | ma3x: that's a flaw inherent nit he technology. the kernel can tell there is a serial ort, but can't tell theer is a device unless you probe it |
| 20:26.08 | dondelelcaro | wols: but why can't you just export the display to something that has one? |
| 20:26.09 | wols | nn-256: you can't. apt is for that |
| 20:26.10 | \amethyst | nn-256: you use apt-get not dpkg |
| 20:26.20 | stew | nn-256: dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install |
| 20:26.25 | karsten | putridp: You might have to do some of your own legwork on this. I think there are some docs for Ubuntu which should be highly applicable as well. |
| 20:26.31 | wols | dondelelcaro: cause that other place would then have to use its mouse keyboard, no? |
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| 20:26.56 | dondelelcaro | wols: right, which is what I thought was the point? |
| 20:26.57 | putridp | karsten: I've done it before, but can't remember how! |
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| 20:27.08 | putridp | karsten: thanks, anyhow. |
| 20:27.12 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I have a serial fiscal printer (I bought it for printing bills) I have a little shop. But how can I give it a command to print something? |
| 20:27.20 | wols | dondelelcaro: no. autonomous. no use input. cause that other place won't have a spare mouse keyboar d(and would be windosw to boot) |
| 20:27.23 | ma3x | dkr, is there a command to print via the serial port? |
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| 20:27.41 | dondelelcaro | wols: then send it the specific X events that it requires to do whatever it has to do |
| 20:27.43 | wols | input will all be simulated via autoit |
| 20:27.47 | dkr | ma3x: do you eman actual print commands for aprinter, or just to write any data to a serial port? |
| 20:27.59 | DragonD | what is portmap and rpc? |
| 20:28.04 | dkr | ma3x: for the latter, echo test > /dev/ttyS0 works |
| 20:28.10 | vlt|home | \amethyst: So using another driver maybe could work? Or must the hardware always support rotation? What hardware can do this? |
| 20:28.11 | mfrisch | ma3x: if its supported cups would. lpr is another option |
| 20:28.11 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: depends on the printer, actually. |
| 20:28.21 | wols | dondelelcaro: the autoitscript already exists. I won't rewrite that. it reads the screen and then reacts. it's all a pure windows setup. but I want to run it under linux if possible |
| 20:28.25 | xand | bzed: cool thanks |
| 20:28.34 | \amethyst | ma3x: You could try using a serial program like minicom |
| 20:28.34 | Vasistha | DragonD: I think they're used for samba or nfs |
| 20:28.43 | ma3x | dkr, I mean to give the printer data to print?? or to send some data to the serial port? (is that the same? will it print) ? |
| 20:29.08 | omg0 | stew: I am trying to understand things. DSL is a debian-like distro. Don't they mix pieces from different releases? |
| 20:29.22 | stew | omg0: i don't know, you should be asking in #damnsmalllinux |
| 20:29.24 | dondelelcaro | wols: but it won't be able to read the screen at all |
| 20:29.24 | aFlag | damn, 7 to 1 O.O |
| 20:29.26 | dkr | ma3x: uhm, I was asking you. :) to clarify, is the device you have hooked up to your serial port a printer? |
| 20:29.33 | xand | ma3x: it wasn't usb then? |
| 20:29.35 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, it's not a usual printer, it's a fiscal (bill) printer created by macedonian company. |
| 20:29.41 | wols | omg0: they configure their packages so they fit for DSL. which makes the distro as a whole debian based but not debian |
| 20:31.40 | dondelelcaro | wols: drawing to the screen doesn't work in wine like it does in windows |
| 20:31.41 | ma3x | dkr ^^ |
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| 20:31.41 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: yeah; you'll have to figure out whatever specific drivers it needs then in order to get it to work |
| 20:31.42 | omg0 | stew: I don't learn anything there. I learn more here about DSL than there. |
| 20:31.42 | wols | dondelelcaro: why not? I can can read the screen via windows system calls for the "virutal" WINE screen no? |
| 20:31.42 | wols | itherwise WINE wouldn't be compatible with many a windows programs |
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| 20:31.42 | dondelelcaro | wols: last time I checked there wasn't a virtual wine screen |
| 20:31.42 | ma3x | xand, I have a usb converter too (which I tried to connect to the laptop without success). Now I'm connecting it to my desktop directly via serial |
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| 20:31.43 | xand | ma3x: is this the one you didnt have a cable for? |
| 20:31.43 | agent | I paused my bash via ctrl+s (I assume), how do I unpause? |
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| 20:31.43 | mot | if i have the debian net-install for 4.0r0 |
| 20:31.43 | xand | or was that someone else |
| 20:31.43 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, no - there arent any drivers for it. it works by sending commands and text to it. but I don't know the commands |
| 20:31.43 | \amethyst | ma3x: I'm guessing it's supposed to do more than just print plain text line-by-line? |
| 20:31.43 | mot | how do i install using the new etch gui install? |
| 20:31.43 | stew | agent: ctrl-q |
| 20:31.43 | bkw | Is postfix-tls replaced with 'postfix' package? |
| 20:31.44 | wols | bkw: yes |
| 20:31.44 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: well, you'll have to get the documentation for it in order to do that, unfortunatly. |
| 20:32.16 | stew | bkw: yes (apt-cache show postfix would tell you this) |
| 20:32.16 | ma3x | xand, yes - but now I don't need a cable, because I plugged it in directly to the serial port on my desktop machine |
| 20:32.16 | agent | stew: Did not work. Maybe it is gnu/screen specific? |
| 20:32.16 | \amethyst | ma3x: if it accepts plain text you can test sending that with minicom: just make sure you set the line discipline properly |
| 20:32.16 | bkw | stew: apt-cache show postfix-tls didn't |
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| 20:32.17 | mot | anybody? |
| 20:32.17 | gnudownload | Hi all please help me |
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| 20:32.28 | \amethyst | ma3x: if it requires vendor-specific commands to make it print things, you'll have to reverse-engineer it and write a program to produce those commands |
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| 20:32.32 | dondelelcaro | wols: but then again, I haven't been using wine for a really long time. Regardless, it appears that your problem is wine specific, and doesn't have much to do with X at all, besides the fact that the wine programs are running in an X window. |
| 20:32.33 | wols | mot: read the release notes or the screen you get on boot carefully |
| 20:32.36 | gnudownload | please help for fix this error http://rafb.net/p/L8tHYE23.html |
| 20:32.49 | gnudownload | debhelper, please help for fix this error http://rafb.net/p/L8tHYE23.html |
| 20:32.58 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: please don't repeat. |
| 20:33.05 | wols | dondelelcaro: from what I googled, Xvfb lacks DRI so directdraw didn't work |
| 20:33.05 | omg0 | since I have most of the gurus here I can ask a really big question now |
| 20:33.09 | stew | agent: try ctrl-a ctrl-q |
| 20:33.13 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, ok , can help me? |
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| 20:33.22 | wols | so now I have to use a nv xserver, but then I fall foul of not having a keyboard and mouse |
| 20:33.23 | ma3x | \amethyst, I just want to test it and send some data to it, just to see if it works / prints something |
| 20:33.25 | omg0 | Has anyone ever done any clustering? |
| 20:33.26 | mot | wols: there's only F1/enter to boot |
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| 20:33.38 | ma3x | I'll try minicom |
| 20:33.38 | wols | so I need a way to have a "virtual" mouse and keyboard basically |
| 20:33.45 | dondelelcaro | wols: oh, you mean the fact that it can't detect a mouse or keyboard? |
| 20:33.46 | wols | mot: and what does F1 say? |
| 20:33.50 | wols | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 20:33.55 | dondelelcaro | wols: you can just override those checks in the X configuration |
| 20:33.55 | \amethyst | ma3x: minicom will probably start by sending ATH0 or something to it |
| 20:33.57 | mot | nm i think i got it....possibly |
| 20:34.07 | wols | dondelelcaro: just not having a mouse and keyboard section? |
| 20:34.08 | \amethyst | ma3x: since its usual use is for modems |
| 20:34.13 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, it doesnt have a documentation. this is the only fiscal printer in macedonia (permitted by law) |
| 20:34.18 | wols | dondelelcaro: but I still have a mousepointer via vnc? |
| 20:34.29 | dondelelcaro | wols: presumably |
| 20:34.36 | jabular | did you notice it said -- more -- at the bottom right? |
| 20:34.38 | wols | ok, let's try it. thanks |
| 20:34.40 | gnudownload | :( |
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| 20:34.57 | \amethyst | ma3x: Then there's a chance someone else has reverse-engineered it already |
| 20:35.30 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: uh... it's got to have documentation |
| 20:35.35 | \amethyst | ma3x: Datecs? |
| 20:35.47 | jorgp | anyone know where to get official labels for etch? |
| 20:36.14 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, this is the fiscal printer http://www.accent.com.mk/Content/Synergy/pf500.htm |
| 20:36.16 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: there are none, but you can find unofficial ones in a large number of places. |
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| 20:36.24 | ma3x | \amethyst, see above |
| 20:36.32 | omg0 | Has anyone ever done any clustering? |
| 20:36.41 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: i've been searching google to find nothing |
| 20:36.53 | abrotman | labels ? |
| 20:36.57 | wols | ma3x: if it's government issue, then there are docs. |
| 20:37.03 | jorgp | abrotman: yes |
| 20:37.06 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian%20cd%20labels |
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| 20:37.18 | mfrisch | ma3x: I think it says its a CITIZEN if that helps? |
| 20:37.20 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro : please help :( |
| 20:37.20 | wols | abrotman: pretty pictures to put into jewel cases for the CD rack presumably |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | wols: jewel cases ? |
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| 20:37.43 | wols | abrotman: the plastic things CDs come in? |
| 20:37.57 | omg0 | I can't believe no one has ever wanted to cluster their old computers |
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| 20:38.02 | wols | abrotman: http://images.google.com/images?q=jewel%20case&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 20:38.13 | dondelelcaro | !+info mailman |
| 20:38.14 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:38.21 | dondelelcaro | omg0: it's often just a waste of power. |
| 20:38.21 | dpkg | mailman: (Powerful, web-based mailing list manager), section mail, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.9-7 (sid), Packaged size: 8405 kB, Installed size: 39672 kB |
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| 20:38.26 | mfrisch | omg0_: who's got room for 10 486's |
| 20:38.43 | ma3x | wols, I was today at the company that sells the fiscal printer(accent.com.mk) and they said there are no drivers and that there are only self written programs that work with this printer |
| 20:39.02 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: add a set -x under the #!/bin/sh line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mailman.postinst and rerun dpkg --configure -a; |
| 20:39.10 | ma3x | mfrisch, I looked on the CITIZEN site but I couldn't find a model like that |
| 20:39.14 | omg0 | see. Those were two beautiful answers |
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| 20:39.26 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, thanks , wait test |
| 20:39.26 | mfrisch | ma3x: maybe a similar one? |
| 20:39.35 | ma3x | \amethyst, what's Datecs? company name? |
| 20:39.38 | wols | ma3x: disassembler then |
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| 20:40.04 | \amethyst | ma3x: yes, I was asking about the manufacturer |
| 20:40.49 | ma3x | \amethyst, it says Synergy and Accent.com.mk sells it and it says based on the CITIZEN systems technology |
| 20:41.02 | omg0 | dondelelcaro, mfrisch, that was going to be my next project but it shall now be canned. |
| 20:41.04 | \amethyst | ma3x: any model number? |
| 20:41.27 | ma3x | wols, pf500 - http://www.accent.com.mk/Content/Synergy/Images/pf500.jpg |
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| 20:42.17 | ma3x | \amethyst, ^^ |
| 20:43.32 | mfrisch | ma3x: there is no ppd for the printer? |
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| 20:43.58 | JoshJ | i thought Broadcom bluetooth/wireless adapters didn't work on Debian? |
| 20:44.07 | \amethyst | mfrisch: From the looks of the printer I doubt it can do postscript |
| 20:44.37 | mfrisch | \amethyst: doesn't lpr do non-postcript? |
| 20:44.48 | JoshJ | i accidentally left my wireless button "on" after the last time i booted into windows and i get a bluetooth thing in the upper gnome-panel |
| 20:44.52 | abrotman | JoshJ: some of them do |
| 20:44.52 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, thanks, return is http://rafb.net/p/nPDiEM63.html, what can i do know? |
| 20:45.05 | \amethyst | mfrisch: PPD is postscript printer description |
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| 20:45.24 | JoshJ | hm... interesting. how do i check whether i could possibly use this to get on the internet? |
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| 20:45.50 | mfrisch | \amethyst: I know. I just don't know how to feed to that kind of printer it speaks something right? |
| 20:46.47 | wols | JoshJ: depends what's on the other end of that BT connection |
| 20:46.55 | JoshJ | wols, right now nothing as far as i know |
| 20:47.07 | JoshJ | it's showing it in "connectable mode" |
| 20:47.15 | wols | well, a single BT chip certainly makes no network connection does it? |
| 20:47.17 | JoshJ | i don't particularly care about BT as much as i do wireless internet |
| 20:47.21 | ma3x | mfrisch, what is ppd? |
| 20:47.25 | JoshJ | well, it's the same broadcom thing |
| 20:47.31 | mfrisch | ma3x: won't work. |
| 20:47.36 | JoshJ | which i was under the impression didn't work at all on linux |
| 20:47.44 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: run apt-get -f install; again |
| 20:47.47 | wols | JoshJ: it doesn't matter what it is. do you have any other device which could acts as endpoint for this BT? |
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| 20:47.54 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: and provide the output from that |
| 20:47.56 | ma3x | mfrisch, what won't work? minicom? |
| 20:48.01 | JoshJ | no, i don't, so... it's useless then? |
| 20:48.14 | xand | JoshJ: you need a bluetooth mobile phone or similar |
| 20:48.17 | mfrisch | ma3x: no a postscript based printing spool. |
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| 20:48.22 | bigwig | bye |
| 20:48.25 | JoshJ | ah |
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| 20:48.25 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, ok , wait |
| 20:48.29 | wols | JoshJ: how useful is a single WLAN or PCI NIC without switch, AP or other NIC? |
| 20:48.37 | ma3x | mfrisch, I think so - it is based on codes (commands) and text |
| 20:48.49 | JoshJ | wols, there's probably a 802.11 wireless thing somewhere around here |
| 20:49.08 | wols | JoshJ: bluetooth is no 802.11, is it? |
| 20:49.12 | mfrisch | ma3x: don't think so but a ppd tells the spool how to print to the printer |
| 20:49.17 | ma3x | mfrisch, there is written a program for this printer and commands and functions, but they only provide them to programmers and companies that do software programming and to no-one else |
| 20:49.18 | JoshJ | right, but the same chip does both on this laptop i believe |
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| 20:49.20 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/CUHQrU96.html |
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| 20:49.35 | JoshJ | and i figure if the broadcom bluetooth works it's possible i could get the broadcom wireless to work |
| 20:49.36 | zenwryly | I installed a second debian installation on a partition along side an existing Debian installation and a Windows installation. The installer for the new installation detected both the older Debain and Windows installations and installed grub with options for both. Now, when I reinstall a kernel in the older debian installation, grub isn't restored to the configuration from the old system, which is what I'd like. How can I fix this? |
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| 20:49.44 | ma3x | mfrisch, can I test that somehow? |
| 20:49.50 | wols | !tell JoshJ about bcm43xx |
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| 20:50.12 | nn-256 | what is a comand that will turn a tun of .xwd images to frams in an mpg and save the mpg |
| 20:50.14 | wols | yes you can. before etch there was ndiswrapper and with etch there is now a native driver (firmware needed as usual) |
| 20:50.15 | JoshJ | hm... interesting |
| 20:50.27 | nn-256 | mencoder is not an option |
| 20:50.28 | rahul | nn-256: mencoder |
| 20:50.28 | mfrisch | ma3x: so how did you get one? don't answer that. check out lpr cups is a long shot. |
| 20:50.39 | nn-256 | cant install it |
| 20:50.44 | rahul | nn-256: yes you can |
| 20:50.55 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mailman; and don't delete configuration files in the future |
| 20:51.07 | pettern | Trying to install debian but its hanging on "Installing the 'grub' package..." i know XFS and grub has some problems but im using reiserFS. Is there problems with Grub and reiser also? |
| 20:51.15 | nn-256 | rahul go to #flood |
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| 20:51.50 | nn-256 | dpkg -i mencoder_1.0rc1+r22191+amr-0ubuntu1_i386.deb |
| 20:51.50 | nn-256 | Selecting previously deselected package mencoder. |
| 20:51.50 | nn-256 | (Reading database ... 477763 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 20:51.50 | nn-256 | Unpacking mencoder (from mencoder_1.0rc1+r22191+amr-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... |
| 20:51.51 | nn-256 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mencoder: |
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| 20:51.53 | ma3x | mfrisch, is lpr cups command? package? |
| 20:51.56 | rahul | pettern: uh, that was 5 years ago |
| 20:52.02 | rahul | haha |
| 20:52.09 | mfrisch | ma3x: they are printing systems |
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| 20:52.15 | nn-256 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:52.16 | rahul | an ubuntu user. go figure. |
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| 20:52.17 | nn-256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.23 | stew | nn-256: don't paste in here |
| 20:52.30 | ma3x | mfrisch, I tried cups with the webbased interface and I couldn't add the printer |
| 20:52.31 | nn-256 | i know |
| 20:52.33 | stew | nn-256: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 20:52.44 | nn-256 | no one went to flood |
| 20:52.47 | nn-256 | lol |
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| 20:52.50 | ma3x | mfrisch, how do I install lpr? |
| 20:52.51 | dondelelcaro | !+info mencoder |
| 20:52.53 | dpkg | Package 'mencoder' does not exist. |
| 20:52.59 | mfrisch | ma3x: try it with the usb connector |
| 20:53.04 | Vasistha | nn-256: yeah, so maybe you should use a pastebin. /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:53.10 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/gez3pe16.html ? |
| 20:53.13 | nn-256 | i foud it in ubuntu resp |
| 20:53.17 | Mitja | Do beryl and nvidia do it's magic only after reboot? window manager restart is not enough? |
| 20:53.22 | nn-256 | but wont install |
| 20:53.23 | pettern | rahul: what was 5 years ago. the xfs problem or reiserfs? |
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| 20:53.25 | ma3x | mfrisch, and what should I specify as printing interface? /dev/what ? |
| 20:53.28 | rahul | pettern: xfs |
| 20:53.50 | wols | nn-256: are you actually running debian or are you running ubuntu? |
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| 20:54.05 | mfrisch | ma3x: the serial device that its connected to? |
| 20:54.15 | pettern | rahul: how come debian installer told me that xfs+grub could make problems then? |
| 20:54.34 | wols | pettern: ignore it. should work fine |
| 20:54.39 | rahul | pettern: because it's 5 years old? heh |
| 20:54.43 | pettern | wols: well it didnt |
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| 20:54.57 | ma3x | mfrisch, ok - how can I print a test page or anything at all with lpr? |
| 20:55.00 | wols | pettern: I ran it back with woody even. worked even then |
| 20:55.20 | mfrisch | ma3x: cat smalltextfile |lp |
| 20:55.22 | pettern | any other suggestions to why it wont install? |
| 20:55.22 | stew | nn-256: it would not be suprising if you got dependency problems trying to install some random deb from ubuntu onto debian, it is a bad idea. instead use packages compiled for your version of debian |
| 20:55.23 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, please help |
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| 20:55.44 | mfrisch | ma3x: or better echo hello|lp |
| 20:55.56 | wols | nn-256: what are you running exactly? |
| 20:56.24 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: mkdir /etc/mailman; then reinstall it again. |
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| 20:57.44 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, again last error |
| 20:58.09 | nn-256 | well i still need facc0 |
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| 20:58.19 | xand | what determines whether you get asked to confirm when you do apt-get install? |
| 20:58.35 | xand | (do you want to continue? Y/n) |
| 20:58.36 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, oh no no |
| 20:58.40 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, wait |
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| 20:59.48 | pettern | xand: might be that dependencies are needed |
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| 20:59.50 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/pyg0kZ74.html |
| 20:59.51 | ma3x | mfrisch, I installed lpr, but I have no lp command. to what package does lp belong to? |
| 20:59.51 | Vasistha | xand: let's see. if you apt-get install package, and apt doesn't need to additionally install any dependencies, then it will not prompt you. If it does need to install additional dependencies, it will prompt. You can suppress prompting with --force-yes or something like that, as seen in man apt-get. There are probably a few other nuances as well |
| 21:00.22 | nn-256 | is there any thing other than mencoder |
| 21:00.23 | nn-256 | !! |
| 21:00.24 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 21:00.24 | ma3x | mfrisch, and I type only 'echo test | lp' without specifying any device? that goes directly to the serial ports? |
| 21:00.28 | stew | nn-256: what version of debian are you running? sarge? etch? dapper? |
| 21:00.38 | edthefox | haha |
| 21:00.44 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: just add an exit 0; to the top of the mailman postinst, and run the reinstall twice. |
| 21:00.45 | Vasistha | heh, bash supports !! too |
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| 21:00.47 | nn-256 | ?? i dont know |
| 21:01.04 | nn-256 | knoppix 5.1.1 Testing on cp2 |
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| 21:01.16 | nn-256 | knoppix 5.1.1 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Testing on cp2 |
| 21:01.17 | mfrisch | ma3x: no it won't work without setting it up. don't know last time I used lpr it had lp. really don't know |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 21:01.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:01.41 | wols | nn-256: then this is the wrong channel for you, sorry |
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| 21:01.56 | wols | try #knoppix |
| 21:02.00 | fibonacci235 | Is there a way to change pmount's way of mounting a ntfs filesystem? |
| 21:02.02 | nn-256 | AUG!! im using both |
| 21:02.13 | wols | nn-256: using both what? |
| 21:02.24 | nn-256 | debian and knoppix |
| 21:02.41 | wols | nn-256: you can use either or not both. you only have one CPU |
| 21:02.47 | nn-256 | knoppix is just a tmp ssh for the deb mishene |
| 21:02.55 | thnee | http://pastebin.ca/433512 how can this happen? nothing was changed.. just all of a sudden X decided that it cant load glx no more..? |
| 21:02.56 | Vasistha | nn-256: then why did you answer the "what version of debian are you running" as "knoppix"? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:02.57 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, Veryyyyyyyyyyy thanksssssssssss , very thanks |
| 21:03.10 | wols | nn-256: then come back when you debian |
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| 21:03.16 | dondelelcaro | gnudownload: and in the future, don't delete random things from directories |
| 21:03.16 | wols | *when you run debian |
| 21:03.50 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, ok ok thanks thanks |
| 21:04.09 | stew | fibonacci235: no |
| 21:04.12 | nn-256 | because i was playing around with xvidcap on knoppix ;;;;; xvidcap dump over 2000 .xwd frames i need to put thoes into a mpg |
| 21:04.23 | nn-256 | as frames |
| 21:04.57 | dkr | rm `perl -e'print$@[rand(@@=<*>)]'` |
| 21:04.58 | fibonacci235 | stew: ehh, so i can't get gnome-volume-manager to register thumbdrives as ntfs-3g instead of regular ntfs? |
| 21:04.58 | Vasistha | nn-256: once again: when you are booted into debian, then you can ask us questions here. We don't really need to know what you're doing in knoppix; we can't help you with it. |
| 21:05.15 | HostilePenguin | what is bigest complaint about lenny so far? |
| 21:05.39 | wols | nn-256: as long as you run knoppix we can't help you since we don't know shit about it. no way around that. if you want help from here run debian and nothing but debian |
| 21:05.42 | nn-256 | ok i will do it on the deb mechiean ;;;; still dosent work with mencoder |
| 21:05.46 | stew | fibonacci235: i don't know if you could configure gnome-volume-manager to use something other than pmount, but you can't change pmounts behaviour |
| 21:05.51 | wols | ew simply don't know about knoppix |
| 21:06.08 | fransman | if i do a nfsroot install, it's generating a ssh key, sure can hit the key in but that will be a problem while installing a lot of clients at ones, some a suggestion ? |
| 21:06.20 | pettern | wols: or care? :) |
| 21:06.23 | nn-256 | so what program is the equivalant to mencoder |
| 21:06.41 | fibonacci235 | stew: so i take it i'll have to recompile my kernel with ntfs write support... |
| 21:06.43 | wols | there is no equivalent. there is mencoder period |
| 21:07.20 | stew | fibonacci235: i don't konw. i'd see if you could reconfigure gnome-volume-manager first |
| 21:07.31 | nn-256 | well then where to i get libfaac0 |
| 21:07.33 | wols | fibonacci235: why are you glued to that gnome thingie? |
| 21:07.42 | nn-256 | required by mencoder |
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| 21:07.49 | wols | nn-256: we don't care. we use apt and it does it for us |
| 21:08.04 | nn-256 | apt-dosent have it |
| 21:08.09 | wols | nn-256: but you mixing shit from distros all over is a surefire way to hose your system |
| 21:08.18 | wols | now go away and come back when you run debian |
| 21:08.34 | nn-256 | lol |
| 21:08.40 | nn-256 | ok |
| 21:08.53 | xored | ive updated my sarge stable to etch stable and now running into problems with outgoing emails ( its an root server for customers) it seem to have problems with sasld auth ( "not running" ) any issues known ? |
| 21:08.59 | fransman | nn-256: it in [multiverse<font size="3">] </font> |
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| 21:09.33 | fransman | <font size="3">nn-256: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libfaac0&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all</font> |
| 21:09.49 | Scud_ | hello could some1 tell why pppd isnt on the install CD? |
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| 21:10.00 | wols | xored: sasl2-bin installed? |
| 21:10.04 | Scud_ | i realy need this package |
| 21:10.04 | nn-main | ok back |
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| 21:10.19 | xored | wols: one second |
| 21:10.20 | xored | !paste |
| 21:10.22 | wols | nn-256: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 21:11.03 | xored | wols: http://www.pastebin.ca/433523 |
| 21:11.22 | xored | wols: saslauthd is up and running |
| 21:11.38 | bkw | Do I need to add "-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" in /etc/init.d/saslauthd if my postfix is running chrooted? |
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| 21:11.53 | \amethyst | Are those tr// sequences? |
| 21:11.54 | \amethyst | er |
| 21:12.06 | wols | nn-256: where did you get that mencoder? |
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| 21:12.28 | wols | nn-256: if it's from anything but a debian system, all you do is wreck your system |
| 21:12.29 | nn-256 | ubuntu resp |
| 21:12.40 | stew | nn-256: don't install ubuntu pacakges onto debian |
| 21:12.49 | stew | nn-256: install pacakges compiled for your release of debian |
| 21:13.00 | nn-256 | coulden't find it else where |
| 21:13.28 | wols | nn-256: how did you "Move" menocder? |
| 21:13.37 | wols | can you remove it so the debian is as it was before? |
| 21:13.39 | stew | nn-256: debian cannot distribute it to you because we have no way of ensuring that you actually pay for the license fees required to use (for example) libfaac0 |
| 21:13.59 | nn-256 | how do i turn the volume of my system beeper down its anoying |
| 21:14.03 | nn-256 | scp |
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| 21:14.04 | stew | nn-256: /msg dpkg bell |
| 21:14.29 | fibonacci235 | wols: Because, the gnome auto mount is alot cleaner and neater |
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| 21:15.05 | nn-256 | ?? |
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| 21:16.18 | SlackRat | alright, here goes........i can now dump kubuntu for etch.......my hands are itching to isntall the cd |
| 21:16.18 | h3sp4wn | SlackRat: yes |
| 21:16.19 | nn-main | i need a piece of tape lol aug |
| 21:16.19 | SlackRat | can i save my home directory, with a few minor tweaks and deletes of unessential junk afterwards? |
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| 21:16.19 | lontra | SlackRat: if it's only a seperate partition..yes |
| 21:17.19 | abrotman | stew: he's installing ubuntu packages on knoppix ? |
| 21:17.19 | SlackRat | yeah, /home is its own partition |
| 21:17.19 | stew | abrotman: knoppix and debian |
| 21:17.19 | lontra | SlackRat: shouldn't be a problem |
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| 21:17.19 | wols | good to see the nn-256 is a liar too |
| 21:17.19 | Sph3re- | heya guyz, the upgrade to etch has currupted my vncserver it seems |
| 21:17.19 | Sph3re- | i can't get a desktop running via vnc.. any ideas on how to fix ? |
| 21:17.19 | wols | abrotman: he's lying too. tells us he now runs debian hwich is a lie |
| 21:17.19 | misreckoning | hey people guess what - I have sucessfully installed debian on my system :) |
| 21:17.22 | misreckoning | err computer ;) |
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| 21:17.28 | nn-main | wols, that wosent funy |
| 21:17.33 | SlackRat | and the grub from dapper is older than etch, or i just add bsd to the grub like i did for dapper? |
| 21:17.55 | SlackRat | i think it was chain load versus a non chain load..... |
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| 21:18.43 | twobitsprite | how can I make it so that I can mount a loopback (i.e. iso) without being root? |
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| 21:19.36 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: fuseiso would work |
| 21:19.51 | SlackRat | anyone have a dual boot deb with a bsd already installed? |
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| 21:20.01 | nn-main | is there any way to save any live file or streem directally to the hard drive without having to try to capture it with xvidcap in the first place ?? |
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| 21:21.10 | misreckoning | what can I use to watch .rem (or .ram?) streams ? |
| 21:21.12 | fibonacci235 | soooo, no chance in hell getting gnome-volume-manager to use ntfs-3g instead of regular ntfs? |
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| 21:21.42 | me_here_ | .ram realplayer |
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| 21:21.56 | markybob | fibonacci235: you'll probably have a better chance of getting answers in #gnome |
| 21:22.13 | SlackRat | putting in first cd.......a demonic chanting voice saying DO IT! DO IT ! would help at the moment |
| 21:22.19 | manup_ | i have problems getting the network configed over TWO routers... this is somehow weird... does somebody want to help me? |
| 21:22.25 | tp76 | SlackRat: yes. |
| 21:22.33 | wols | !tell manup_ about ask |
| 21:22.34 | nn-main | ?? |
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| 21:22.54 | concept10 | I need help from someone old-school. I have a DE-9 cable, male to female. On the female end there is also a ps/2 connector wired in. Is this a null modem cable? |
| 21:23.04 | SlackRat | tp76: could you sound a bit more evil....it would really help :-P |
| 21:23.18 | wols | concept10: could be for an apple machine |
| 21:23.27 | tp76 | SlackRat: I have to sound evil for you to install Debian? |
| 21:23.28 | wols | they had round ps2 kinda connectors for serial cables |
| 21:23.34 | markybob | fibonacci235: google gnome-volume-manage ntfs-3g ....the first return is probably what you want |
| 21:23.37 | SlackRat | just for dramatic effect |
| 21:23.38 | manup_ | wols, well, my question is rather long and not very specific.. so i would like more to tell someone specific than spaming this channel |
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| 21:24.19 | tp76 | SlackRat: then read what I write in a dramatic tone. |
| 21:24.19 | SlackRat | and i can say the devil made me do it if i hose anything |
| 21:24.19 | wols | manup_: good luck. you need it then |
| 21:24.23 | SlackRat | hmnph |
| 21:24.23 | stew | SlackRat: aptitude isntall festival && echo "do it. do it. do it" | festival --pipe |
| 21:24.29 | SlackRat | lmao |
| 21:24.34 | SlackRat | true |
| 21:24.47 | SlackRat | i run that on the slackbox in the background, thanks stew |
| 21:24.51 | manup_ | :/ |
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| 21:25.18 | xand | concept10: the "ps/2" connector doesn't imply null modem... do you have a multimeter? |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | concept10: doesn't sound like it .. ask #hardware |
| 21:25.24 | concept10 | wols, it has both the ps/2 and the regular de-9 on the female end. I just got this from the garage from one of those satellite card programmers. Im hoping this will work as a serial cable to get into my server. (I dont have a multimeter to verify the connections) |
| 21:25.31 | abrotman | DB9! |
| 21:25.39 | xand | and yes, it's DB9 :) |
| 21:25.40 | bkw | I have added OPTIONS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" to my /etc/init.d/saslauthd, but still I don't get /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -n 5 when I start the daemon |
| 21:25.40 | manup_ | okay, briefly: i can connect from PC A to PC B via ssh, but not the other way round because PC B doesnt find A in the network |
| 21:25.49 | manup_ | what is wrong? |
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| 21:25.54 | abrotman | xand: i thought the first was a typo :) |
| 21:26.03 | SlackRat | here we go.... |
| 21:26.09 | xand | manup_: is the name in DNS? does the IP address work? |
| 21:26.12 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/5qew0A14.html install scmsvn but output error :( please help |
| 21:26.12 | concept10 | abrotman, it was a typo in my mind |
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| 21:26.48 | abrotman | concept10: i really don't want to know :) |
| 21:26.52 | nn-main | is there any way to save any live file or streem directally to the hard drive without having to try to capture it with xvidcap in the first place ?? |
| 21:26.52 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:27.06 | xored | wols: do you have a clue ? |
| 21:27.08 | manup_ | xand, i think i dont have a dns. |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | concept10: i'd chalk it up as a serial extension cable |
| 21:27.11 | misreckoning | what is working better with debian and ATI graphics cards - compiz or beryl ? |
| 21:27.19 | xand | manup_: try the IP address |
| 21:27.19 | wols | manup_: ifconfig and route output for A and B please |
| 21:27.20 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian .. |
| 21:27.22 | tp76 | manup_: so can you ping or connect to it by its IP address? |
| 21:27.22 | abrotman | that was easy! |
| 21:27.31 | xand | manup_: if that works, then put an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 21:27.37 | SlackRat | er, whats a safer bet atm......using apt via wireless, or just 2 cds and adding apt repositories once its up |
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| 21:27.59 | xand | SlackRat: whichever you like, assuming the CDs are recent |
| 21:28.01 | manup_ | xand, tp76 which ip adress? the one of the second router "hides" the one of the connected pc.... |
| 21:28.08 | wols | xored: yes you need the saslauthd socket (wherever that is) be visible in postfix's chroot |
| 21:28.09 | SlackRat | from this morning |
| 21:28.14 | misreckoning | abrotman: yeah but I guess I could compile it anyway - what about fglrx drivers? |
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| 21:28.17 | mfrisch | SlackRat: you will probally need a base install to get wifi to work |
| 21:28.22 | namit_lap | help my servers kernal seam to have updated itself and now i did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and it seam to be be installing everything again doe this make sense? |
| 21:28.26 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, sorry dc |
| 21:28.31 | xand | manup_: how are these machines connected to each other? |
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| 21:28.34 | wols | SlackRat: depends on the wireless |
| 21:28.37 | abrotman | !tell misreckoning about fglrx |
| 21:28.40 | misreckoning | is there some open source alternative driver to x200 ? |
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| 21:28.49 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, sorry dc |
| 21:28.50 | tp76 | manup_: ah, so now you're routing. I just read PC A -> PC B and vice versa. Perhaps I missed something you said earlier. |
| 21:29.00 | SlackRat | but wont the standard isntall start looking for repo pkgs if i enable it while it sets up the desktops......good wireless, bad ISP |
| 21:29.16 | xored | wols: how could that change / how do i manage this ? |
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| 21:29.50 | xand | any ideas why, when using apt-proxy and running apt-get update, it will hang on: "99% [Waiting for headers]"? there are no errors in the apt-proxy.log file :| |
| 21:29.50 | bkw | ah! wrong file to add that in! |
| 21:29.52 | wols | xored: either via symlink as you said or turning off chroot for postfix (#postfix hates debian for its chroot), etc |
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| 21:30.23 | namit_lap | what ya think? my server seams to have updated kernal |
| 21:30.28 | wols | SlackRat: use a netinst and you won't need to set up any repos at all (CD1 and 2 don't need it either" |
| 21:30.36 | xand | dagnammit |
| 21:30.36 | wols | you just have the CDs in your sources.list that's all |
| 21:30.37 | xored | wols: hmm, the thing is...where should the symlink point to ? where is my postfix chrooted..sorry |
| 21:30.40 | wols | but you can add them later |
| 21:30.43 | namit_lap | now done apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and its re installing everything it seams |
| 21:30.56 | gnudownload | dondelelcaro, bye and thanks for help |
| 21:31.02 | manup_ | xand, tp76, wols http://pastebin.ca/433560 |
| 21:31.09 | wols | xored: I don't know offhand sorry. and the socket you find with lsof |
| 21:31.29 | SlackRat | just dont trust the ISP wont crash, its been wonky yesterday and today....just now wouldnt find the DHCP...... |
| 21:31.30 | gnudownload | wols, http://rafb.net/p/5qew0A14.html please help |
| 21:31.34 | nihraguk | when i try to perform aptitude update i get this error: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D. I have followed the dpkg bot's instructions to get both the 2006 pub key as well as the etch key... what should i do about this key? |
| 21:31.45 | xand | manup_: how are the machines connected to each other? |
| 21:31.54 | edthefox | anyone here have experience with debian on a powerbook?? |
| 21:31.54 | wols | xored: I think /usr/lib/postfix or such is the chroot but I am not sure, sorry |
| 21:32.10 | wols | !tell edthefox about anyone |
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| 21:32.17 | namit_lap | why did apt-get upgrade do this? http://pastebin.ca/433567 |
| 21:32.26 | manup_ | xand, i have internet to wlanrouter on which pc B (notebook) is connected. additional to the wlanrouter i connected an other router (netgear). on this one, PC A is connected. |
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| 21:32.47 | misreckoning | I can't mount other partitions (but / and /home) . I get this error: http://rafb.net/p/skSnA999.html |
| 21:32.49 | manup_ | wlanrouter has ip 192.168.2.1, netgear has 192.168.3.2 |
| 21:32.49 | wols | SlackRat: the problem isn't your ISP but having all the drivers for your WLAN card (firmware for example) |
| 21:33.10 | xored | wols: are there any howtos for thaht ? Why did that change in etch ? |
| 21:33.20 | stew | namit_lap: does your /etc/apt/sources.list point to "stable" ? |
| 21:33.20 | SlackRat | ah, ok, its a Ralink card....... |
| 21:33.26 | wols | xored: cause it's a new postfix? |
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| 21:33.37 | namit_lap | yes |
| 21:33.39 | stew | nihraguk: yikes, that is the 2005 key, what repository are you trying to pull from? |
| 21:33.39 | wols | there are tons of howtos for postfix out there. or ask #postfix |
| 21:33.43 | xored | wols: yeah he might overwritten the config |
| 21:33.55 | stew | oh, is sarge signed with the 2005 key? |
| 21:34.01 | xand | manup_: can't you just have one router? (or use the second as just a switch) |
| 21:34.07 | nihraguk | stew: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US |
| 21:34.07 | stew | these are the reasons that people shouldn't use "stable" but a specific release name |
| 21:34.15 | nihraguk | ah ok. |
| 21:34.20 | wols | manup_: you don't need the netgear as a router |
| 21:34.25 | stew | nihraguk: you can get rid of that, non-us is no longer used |
| 21:34.30 | SerajewelKS | since upgrading to etch, my pop3 server (courier) has been rejecting all logins. the only thing in the log is "login failed." what gives? |
| 21:34.32 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 21:34.38 | manup_ | xand, using the second just a switch would be okay... i dont need routing... |
| 21:34.46 | manup_ | wols, how do i do that? |
| 21:34.46 | edthefox | wols: OKAY! So, I have this powerbook G4 and I cant get the sound to work!! I've posted a quesion in #debianppc but there's no one there to answer so that's why I'm asking here !!! |
| 21:34.47 | xand | manup_: well do that, it'll make things 10x easier |
| 21:34.54 | stew | SerajewelKS: put DEBUG_LOGIN=1 into /etc/courier/pop3d and watch mail.log |
| 21:34.56 | xand | manup_: just use the switch ports instead of the WAN one |
| 21:34.58 | nihraguk | stew: alright, thanks. |
| 21:35.08 | manup_ | xand, aha.... |
| 21:35.13 | xand | assuming it does uplink |
| 21:35.19 | gnudownload | stew, can help me? http://rafb.net/p/5qew0A14.html |
| 21:35.22 | jenipapo | after upgrading to sarge, in console mode my keyboard is now qwerty instead azerty |
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| 21:35.26 | wols | manup_: how many connectors does the netgear have on the LAN side? |
| 21:35.26 | stew | nihraguk: do you realize that stable was changed from sarge to etch on sunday, so upgrading will try to upgrade every one of your pacakges? |
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| 21:35.30 | namit_lap | stew: it seams like the kernal was upgraded would this be a reson for it |
| 21:35.32 | manup_ | is it then still possible to connect from the internet to pc A? |
| 21:35.37 | stew | namit_lap: no, it woulnd't |
| 21:35.41 | namit_lap | balls |
| 21:35.44 | jenipapo | dpkg-reconfigure console-data changes nothing |
| 21:35.47 | wols | manup_: don't use the upling port but only use those LAN ports (usually 4-5). disable dhcp on the netgear |
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| 21:35.51 | stew | namit_lap: does your /etc/apt/sources.list point to stable? |
| 21:36.02 | namit_lap | stew: yes it does |
| 21:36.06 | manup_ | wols, i have 1 permante wlan (sometimes up to 3) and always 2 on the netgear. |
| 21:36.10 | wols | manup_: you will simply use the netgear as a switch. and no more double NAT |
| 21:36.26 | nihraguk | stew: i've already upgraded to etch... in just the manner you described :) |
| 21:36.27 | manup_ | wols, why disabling dhcp? |
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| 21:36.32 | nihraguk | stew: was quite a pleasant surprise |
| 21:36.39 | wols | manup_: cause you don#t want two dhcp servers in one network |
| 21:36.43 | SerajewelKS | stew: same thing.. LOGIN FAILED |
| 21:36.46 | jenipapo | Nobody has an idea? |
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| 21:37.02 | qwerty07 | Hi everyone. I hope someone can help. I'm upgrading to 4.0, and I had hit d to examine the differences between the conf files. However, I stupidly hit ctrl z to exit the conf file, and it terminated the dist-upgrade. What do I do now? Trying an apt-get update tells me it couldn't lock the admin dir |
| 21:37.11 | manup_ | wols, xand okay. i will try that. my internet connection might break. brb |
| 21:37.12 | SerajewelKS | stew: ah, but i do see the real problem: Apr 10 17:35:51 localhost authdaemond: libauthmysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:37.14 | xand | jenipapo: you mean upgrading FROM sarge right? |
| 21:37.17 | markybob | qwerty07: fg |
| 21:37.23 | SerajewelKS | stew: time to apt-cache search |
| 21:37.25 | jenipapo | xand: yes |
| 21:37.27 | wols | qwerty07: then some apt is still running |
| 21:37.29 | stew | SerajewelKS: is couriear-authmysql installed? |
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| 21:37.37 | xand | !keyboard |
| 21:37.37 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
| 21:37.43 | xand | hmm |
| 21:37.43 | gnudownload | wols, can help mee? |
| 21:37.46 | stew | namit_lap: stable was switched from sarge to etch on sunday |
| 21:37.50 | SerajewelKS | stew: courier-authlib-mysql |
| 21:37.54 | stew | gnudownload: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apache2/conf.d/gforge.httpd.conf ? |
| 21:37.56 | SerajewelKS | stew: it's not, i'm installing it now |
| 21:38.03 | stew | SerajewelKS: its been years since i've run courier :) |
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| 21:38.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: odd that this didn't get tracked in the upgrade though |
| 21:38.29 | jenipapo | xand: have an idea ? |
| 21:38.32 | namit_lap | stew: this is whats in my sourse.list |
| 21:38.36 | stew | SerajewelKS: file a bug, its probably a packaging error that didnt' properly account for the namechange |
| 21:38.44 | xand | jenipapo: don't know |
| 21:38.48 | namit_lap | stew: http://pastebin.ca/433578 |
| 21:39.09 | stew | namit_lap: do you intend to stay with stable, or to upgrade right now to etch? |
| 21:39.13 | gnudownload | stew, http://rafb.net/p/EYWSLe69.html |
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| 21:39.27 | namit_lap | what ever is less hassel |
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| 21:39.29 | wiikii | !es |
| 21:39.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:39.37 | frankr | whats the cups http port again? |
| 21:39.42 | namit_lap | stew: what ever is less hassel |
| 21:39.43 | SerajewelKS | stew: wtf |
| 21:39.48 | SerajewelKS | stew: now it's just freaking out |
| 21:40.02 | markybob | frankr: 631 |
| 21:40.03 | SerajewelKS | stew: Apr 10 17:39:30 localhost pop3d-ssl: authentication error: Input/output error |
| 21:40.13 | ManuP | wols, i disabled dhcp but there is still a setting which allows LAN TCP/IP settings |
| 21:40.20 | qwerty07 | wols, can I access that process somehow? Or kill it and start again? |
| 21:40.37 | xored | wols: i found the changeroot dir, now i should point with the "mux" sasldauth file in there. what does that mean ?= |
| 21:40.40 | stew | namit_lap: for now, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change "stable" to "sarge". you should consider upgrading to etch (the now, current stable) sometime soon: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:40.50 | SerajewelKS | stew: ah, it's using the wrong mysql login info |
| 21:40.50 | markybob | qwerty07: i told you. fg |
| 21:40.58 | SerajewelKS | stew: i wonder if the config path changed too |
| 21:41.14 | namit_lap | stew: how can i stay with stable? will it be much hassel if i change to etch. |
| 21:41.16 | qwerty07 | markybob, wow, didn't catch that |
| 21:41.35 | stew | !literal sarge->etch |
| 21:41.35 | dpkg | "sarge->etch" is "<reply>Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening." |
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| 21:41.35 | qwerty07 | how do I exit the conf comparison? |
| 21:41.37 | stew | that needs some tlc |
| 21:41.51 | busfahrer | Excuse me, where are MySQL databases stored in debian's version of the package? |
| 21:42.01 | bzed | busfahrer: /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:42.24 | xored | stew: could you help me with that : http://www.pastebin.ca/433523 ? i upgraded to etch from sarge stable and know cant connect to smtp |
| 21:42.27 | markybob | qwerty07: you make a choice. i to install new one or n to keep your own (iirc) |
| 21:42.49 | gnudownload | Bye all and thanks all |
| 21:42.53 | markybob | or is it k? cant remember. the screen says, though, so just read it |
| 21:43.03 | Guerin_ | WIDHE |
| 21:43.16 | qwerty07 | markybob, right. I'm still sitting on the conf comparison page, how do I end the comparison? If I hit n then it says "no previous regular expression" |
| 21:43.26 | stew | !no sarge->etch is <reply> first read the etch release noetes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; then editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; change all non-local mentions of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch". Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. also ask me about <security> |
| 21:43.27 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 21:43.43 | markybob | qwerty07: what are you in? vi? |
| 21:43.52 | qwerty07 | looks like it |
| 21:44.00 | markybob | qwerty07: esc : q! |
| 21:44.03 | busfahrer | bzed: cheers |
| 21:44.10 | qwerty07 | ty |
| 21:45.03 | stew | xored: is sasl2-bin installed? |
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| 21:45.33 | SerajewelKS | stew: eww |
| 21:45.33 | xored | stew: yes |
| 21:45.34 | abrotman | stew: you don't have to change stable to etch ? |
| 21:45.35 | SerajewelKS | stew: this it wants a column for uid and gid? and they aren't optional? |
| 21:45.50 | stew | SerajewelKS: try "" |
| 21:45.51 | abrotman | (though i personally would) |
| 21:45.53 | H2OyJaBoN | how program do u use to clone a DVD? |
| 21:45.55 | namit_lap | i did apt-get update; ...upgrade yesterday and it did not throw this why would that be |
| 21:46.01 | stew | abrotman: oh, right, can you fix that? |
| 21:46.09 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: dvdbackup |
| 21:46.11 | stew | abrotman: actually yeah, lets leave it |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | stew: okay :) |
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| 21:46.29 | stew | abrotman: seeing as how many people we are going to be seeing asking us why everything is being upgraded on them, like the 3 we have currently |
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| 21:46.42 | Szeraax | lol |
| 21:46.42 | stew | exactly |
| 21:46.55 | Szeraax | tell people to do sarge if they want sarge then... |
| 21:47.01 | stew | namit_lap: becuase stable just changed in the last 2 days |
| 21:47.02 | SerajewelKS | stew: well here's something for the release notes |
| 21:47.05 | abrotman | three days |
| 21:47.10 | abrotman | it was sunday! |
| 21:47.18 | stew | its monday, afaik |
| 21:47.28 | SerajewelKS | stew: COURIER AUTHDAEMON IS COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH ANY SANE CONFIG YOU HAD IN PLACE. |
| 21:47.32 | abrotman | i was here on sunday!!!! |
| 21:47.36 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, dvdbackup allow copy the dvd with protection or similar? |
| 21:47.44 | stew | SerajewelKS: taht's not true, however |
| 21:47.51 | ManuP | xand, wols you are the best ones. thank you! now i can ping pc A. I have only to configure ssh for pubkey auth... |
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| 21:47.58 | SerajewelKS | stew: it damn well is true |
| 21:47.58 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: yes. install libdvdcss2 as well |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | April 8th, 2007 |
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| 21:48.11 | SerajewelKS | stew: i can't even find my previous config |
| 21:48.22 | stew | SerajewelKS: that's not debian's fault |
| 21:48.25 | davi | How many developers are there not at debian? |
| 21:48.32 | abrotman | davi: eh ? |
| 21:48.35 | davi | s/not/now/ |
| 21:48.35 | stew | abrotman: i woke up at 5am this morning |
| 21:48.39 | SerajewelKS | stew: it's not? what with debian respecting your config files and not clobbering them? |
| 21:48.41 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 21:48.44 | bzed | davi: something around 1000 |
| 21:48.47 | Vasistha | H2OyJaBoN: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=348492 |
| 21:48.49 | ManuP | can i connect as user X via ssh on a pc as user Y, with pubkey-auth? |
| 21:48.55 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20218 packages, 1805 maintainers, 47181 MB installed size, 15812 MB compressed size. |
| 21:48.55 | davi | bzed, cool |
| 21:48.58 | abrotman | davi: ^^^ |
| 21:49.00 | bzed | davi: or do you mean maintainers? |
| 21:49.03 | stew | SerajewelKS: if it clobbered your config file without your consent, file a RC bug |
| 21:49.06 | abrotman | about 1800 maintainers apparently |
| 21:49.14 | stew | SerajewelKS: however i'd be suprised if you were the first to notice this |
| 21:49.37 | stew | "not at debian"? |
| 21:49.38 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, thanks i'll see ;)! |
| 21:49.41 | bzed | davi: 1036 developers |
| 21:49.42 | H2OyJaBoN | Vasistha, =) |
| 21:49.51 | bzed | stew: s/t/w/ |
| 21:49.52 | stew | oh, now... |
| 21:49.55 | davi | bzed, I mean debelopers. I did not know both are different. Can a non-debian-developer be a maintainer? |
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| 21:50.04 | bzed | davi: yes |
| 21:50.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: shrug, i don't have time to mess with this right now |
| 21:50.09 | bzed | !tell davi about mentors |
| 21:50.28 | stew | davi: yes, in fact its pretty much a requirement to be a maintainer before you are a develeoper these days |
| 21:50.46 | davi | stew, I see |
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| 21:54.23 | qwerty07 | Looks like something weird happened with lighttpd |
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| 21:54.39 | qwerty07 | I'll post it in flodd |
| 21:54.39 | naiv | anyone got a public proxy on his computer (~24/24) ? |
| 21:54.42 | wols | xored: there is a "mux" file supposedly in there which is the socket file |
| 21:54.44 | Hal9000 | is there a way i can tell GRUB to boot an alternative kernel in case the main kernel fails to boot? |
| 21:54.45 | xand | ManuP: good |
| 21:54.48 | abrotman | naiv: wrong channel |
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| 21:54.59 | naiv | ups |
| 21:55.08 | xand | !ups |
| 21:55.08 | dpkg | i heard ups is (Uninterruptible Power Supply) This is a device that contains a battery and some circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. or at http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/ups/. THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY, or apparently teh nu kewl speling of oops. mgeups software for debian is at http://opensource.mgeups.com/index.htm |
| 21:55.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: part of my irritability is that screen has this great idea that when there is a bell it should flash the whole damn screen instead of, like, beep, so if i type something wrong i am punished with a headache |
| 21:55.29 | Vasistha | Hal9000: yeah, the grub 'fallback' option |
| 21:55.31 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: so C-a C-g |
| 21:55.32 | Hal9000 | or to tell grub "boot this kernel at the next reboot, but only that time... then take the other one..." |
| 21:55.35 | Hal9000 | cool |
| 21:55.37 | xand | SerajewelKS: that's changeable |
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| 21:56.02 | stew | Hal9000: also "man grub-reboot" |
| 21:56.02 | tiglionabbit | anyone know what's wrong with the rubygems package? http://pastie.caboo.se/52898 |
| 21:56.12 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: excellent, can this be made the default? |
| 21:56.20 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes; man screen; for details. |
| 21:56.32 | xored | stew: sorry way away. wols thought, iam running into probs with the chroot or something, do you know anything |
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| 21:56.56 | Hal9000 | stew: thats perfect, thanks |
| 21:56.56 | stew | xored: about sasl? not really |
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| 21:57.05 | SlackRat | damn, still the worlds fastest base install.... |
| 21:57.13 | pickcoder | xored: postfix |
| 21:57.18 | pickcoder | + ? |
| 21:57.29 | PaSurf | I am trying to figure out if tomcat is installed correctly on etch. So far I can get to the test page, but some of the administration functions say "permission denied". I have installed sun jdk and the tomcat 5.5 from aptitude. Not sure if there is a better how to than the actual tomcat page... |
| 21:57.35 | ManuP | xand, it's wol's and yours merit |
| 21:57.54 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: echo vbell off >> ~/.screenrc # thanks |
| 21:58.06 | SlackRat | ok, which is faster, just relying on cd install, or choosing a network mirror before the cd ejects? |
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| 21:58.11 | xored | pickcoder: what do you mean ? |
| 21:58.28 | pickcoder | xored: are you having issues with postfix? |
| 21:58.54 | namit_lap | stew: thank you now just need to get perl to stop thowing errors |
| 21:58.57 | xored | pickcoder: exactly. After upgrading to etch, i cant connect to smpt anymore |
| 21:58.57 | SlackRat | currently have the first two cds to get a desktop system up...... |
| 21:59.16 | stew | namit_lap: about locales? or what errors? |
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| 21:59.20 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i take it back, C-a C-g did nothing |
| 21:59.21 | pickcoder | xored: where is your auth socket being created |
| 21:59.25 | namit_lap | stew: yes how ya know |
| 21:59.32 | xored | pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/433523 |
| 21:59.36 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: probably because i really did C-a g |
| 21:59.38 | xored | pickcoder: where is that configured ? |
| 21:59.44 | SerajewelKS | !lart me |
| 21:59.46 | pickcoder | in your sasl service |
| 21:59.54 | stew | namit_lap: aptitude install locales ; if locales was already installed, dpkg-reconfigure locales ; afterwards, the messages should go away after logging out and back in |
| 22:00.13 | xored | pickcoder: /etc/default/sasld ? |
| 22:00.14 | pickcoder | yup.. it can't find the auth socket |
| 22:00.25 | pickcoder | look in /etc/postfix/master.crf |
| 22:00.26 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:00.28 | pickcoder | master.cf |
| 22:00.28 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the only difference is that screen then sends an audible bell to the terminal it's running in; what that terminal does with the bell is configurable by it. |
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| 22:00.38 | pickcoder | and see if column 5 is "-" or "y" for smtpd |
| 22:00.44 | dondelelcaro | (all of my shells use visual bells) |
| 22:00.49 | Insolit | anyone knows a repository for multimedia tools like dvd::rip, win32codecs... ? |
| 22:00.53 | pickcoder | visual bells |
| 22:00.57 | qwerty07 | Did anyone's lighttpd break after upgrading? |
| 22:01.03 | ManuP | xand, do i need at the netgear router port-forwarding? |
| 22:01.03 | pickcoder | is that like sonic pictures? |
| 22:01.07 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: nod, i don't think i have gnome-terminal set to do anything, which is fine by me |
| 22:01.07 | maxamillion | i have seen screenshots of the new debian install and i really like the default art, is that included in the xfce-CD as well? |
| 22:01.16 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that works too |
| 22:01.18 | sceadugenga | qwerty07, which strand? |
| 22:01.23 | xored | pickcoder: what should i look for in the master.cf |
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| 22:01.27 | qwerty07 | How can I find that? |
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| 22:01.36 | pickcoder | xored: first line.. or just pastebin the entire file |
| 22:01.36 | sceadugenga | unstable? testing? stable? |
| 22:01.41 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: a visual bell is annoying as fuck when i'm using tab completion... *BLINK* *BLINKETY-BLINK* |
| 22:01.44 | Nemoder | Insolit: debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:01.45 | sceadugenga | experimental? |
| 22:01.58 | qwerty07 | erm |
| 22:02.04 | qwerty07 | 1.4.13-4 apparently |
| 22:02.07 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: I remember that used to annoy me, and I figured out how to turn it off permanently ... don't remember how it's done, but I know it's possible |
| 22:02.19 | xored | pickcoder: sec |
| 22:02.21 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: echo vbell off >> ~/.screenrc |
| 22:02.21 | Insolit | thanks nemoder :D |
| 22:02.22 | sceadugenga | qwerty07, no silly! :P your debian version |
| 22:02.26 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: we're past that :) |
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| 22:02.30 | qwerty07 | :P Just upgraded to 4.0 |
| 22:02.38 | sceadugenga | oh, so stable |
| 22:02.41 | SerajewelKS | stew: i got courier working btw |
| 22:02.42 | qwerty07 | yea |
| 22:02.48 | namit_lap | stew: thank you again. do ya recommend aptitude rather thank apt-get |
| 22:03.02 | sceadugenga | i don't use stable, so I don't know about that |
| 22:03.04 | qwerty07 | hrm |
| 22:03.06 | SerajewelKS | stew: the clobbering of my config disturbs me though, because i'm pretty sure i didn't ask it to remove anything |
| 22:03.06 | qwerty07 | It fails to start |
| 22:03.12 | sceadugenga | but, it didn't break for me in the unstable upgrade |
| 22:03.22 | xored | pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/433605 |
| 22:03.28 | SerajewelKS | stew: all i can think of is that at one point i had it purge all uninstalled packages, and probably lost the config there |
| 22:03.34 | Insolit | what is SPARC? |
| 22:03.44 | Ronin | !sparc |
| 22:03.44 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: I actually don't notice it at all anymore |
| 22:03.44 | dpkg | somebody said sparc was the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 22:03.53 | pickcoder | xored: the default setup for postfix on Debian is to chroot the environment |
| 22:03.54 | qwerty07 | sceadugenga, I get a bunch of warnings about it not being able to find some php5 libraries when I try to start it |
| 22:04.02 | pickcoder | the "-" means "yes" for options in that file |
| 22:04.13 | sceadugenga | do you have php5 libraries installed? |
| 22:04.18 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: normally i don't notice it but this monitor is bright and all of the lights are off in here, so it's like a strobe when completing a path i'm unsure about |
| 22:04.41 | xored | pickcoder: cant follow exactly |
| 22:05.05 | pickcoder | postfix looks at stuff based on / for relative paths |
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| 22:05.22 | SlackRat | wtf, bad archive mirrors? |
| 22:05.25 | SlackRat | twice? |
| 22:05.25 | pickcoder | if you have "-" or "y" in the chroot column, then that service runs chrooted in /var/spool/postfix/ |
| 22:05.34 | Insolit | thnks Ronin |
| 22:05.47 | xored | pickcoder: hmm ok, so what shall i do |
| 22:05.50 | pickcoder | it can' find anything from the root dir |
| 22:06.04 | pickcoder | xored: which auth service are you using? |
| 22:06.13 | stew | namit_lap: yes ; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 22:06.18 | xored | sasl is configured to use pam |
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| 22:06.35 | pickcoder | xored: where is the socket being created |
| 22:06.37 | xored | pickcoder: it worked before upgrading to etch stable ( form sarge stable ) the night before |
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| 22:06.55 | xored | pickcoder: i have no clue, where is that configured..iam looking for that all the time... |
| 22:07.17 | xored | pickcoder: i just thing, something has overwritten my /etc/default/sasluthd |
| 22:07.29 | xored | pickcoder: because i had to active "start" again.. |
| 22:07.45 | pickcoder | xored: paste the output of postconf -n in a pastebin |
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| 22:07.53 | wiikii | hey |
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| 22:08.00 | wiikii | i'm in debian and iwconfig doesn't work why ? |
| 22:08.02 | wiikii | no cuch command |
| 22:08.05 | wiikii | such * |
| 22:08.15 | dondelelcaro | wiikii: you need to install wireless-tools |
| 22:08.41 | wiikii | dondelelcaro aaand how? |
| 22:08.50 | dondelelcaro | wiikii: aptitude install wireless-tools |
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| 22:08.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell wiikii -about search |
| 22:09.13 | wiikii | uh? |
| 22:09.17 | wiikii | i do not have internet connectin |
| 22:09.19 | SlackRat | are there security updates since etch went stable i should worry about during this install? |
| 22:09.38 | Ronin | a leg? |
| 22:09.44 | dondelelcaro | wiikii: then how are we talking? |
| 22:09.49 | stew | no, i'm a soup |
| 22:09.50 | wiikii | other computer... |
| 22:09.51 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:09.55 | wiikii | that's why i want to install my wireless |
| 22:09.56 | Nemoder | wiikii: what did you use to install debian? |
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| 22:10.02 | xored | pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/433610 |
| 22:10.09 | wiikii | a cd Nemoder the last 4 or osmething similar |
| 22:10.40 | dondelelcaro | wiikii: and what does dpkg -l wireless-tools; say? what does ls -l /sbin/iwconfig; say? |
| 22:10.40 | Nemoder | wiikii: wireless-tools is probably on the cd |
| 22:10.40 | wiikii | Nemoder and how can i install it? |
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| 22:10.48 | dondelelcaro | wiikii: you did add the cd as an apt source, right? |
| 22:12.14 | wiikii | dondelelcaro i don't think so, how ? |
| 22:12.14 | Nemoder | wiikii: insert the cd and run apt-cdrom add |
| 22:12.14 | wiikii | ok |
| 22:12.15 | xored | pickcoder: gone ? :/ |
| 22:12.24 | wiikii | done Nemoder |
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| 22:12.58 | Nemoder | wiikii: then run apt-get update |
| 22:13.03 | SlackRat | already hitting snags on apt mirrors ..........would an expert install be easier, or harder?? |
| 22:13.05 | pickcoder | xored: I think the issue may be with the sasl2 lib path change |
| 22:13.07 | Nemoder | wiikii: then run apt-get install wireless-tools |
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| 22:13.25 | pickcoder | I remember some people having issues with it when sasl2 was released |
| 22:13.35 | Guerin_ | well |
| 22:13.40 | pickcoder | I'll have to dig the web for it |
| 22:13.45 | Guerin_ | the main issue i recall is that they purposefully broke sasl |
| 22:13.50 | Guerin_ | and then refused to change it |
| 22:14.01 | thnee | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Unable to initialize the X Int10 module whats up with that?i |
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| 22:14.19 | Guerin_ | it would pass user instead of user@host as a credential by default, thereby being utterly useless for anyone using virtualhosts |
| 22:14.22 | pickcoder | xored: ls -l /usr/local/lib/sasl2/ |
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| 22:14.55 | capiira | hmm hi how long could a kernel compilation take on a 2ghz p4 ? |
| 22:15.04 | wiikii | Nemoder isn't in the sudoers files the incident will be reported |
| 22:15.13 | xored | pickcoder: there is no such dir on my sys |
| 22:15.21 | manup_ | i have an process which wont die with kill -9 pid.. is there sth. harder? |
| 22:15.30 | Nemoder | wiikii: you need to run the commands as root |
| 22:15.44 | manup_ | i meah other than poweroff ^ |
| 22:15.47 | foxiness | hi,i want to download debian a dvd one,but recommand me torrent||normal? |
| 22:15.53 | Guerin | manup_: no. /msg dpkg zombie. |
| 22:16.01 | pickcoder | xored: ln -s /usr/lib/sasl2 /usr/local/lib/sasl2 |
| 22:16.02 | dondelelcaro | manup_: what does ps -up pid; say? |
| 22:16.04 | Guerin | foxiness: your choice |
| 22:16.10 | wiikii | Nemoder same error |
| 22:16.23 | pickcoder | if that doesn't fix the issue then you may need to turn up the logging level on postfix |
| 22:16.27 | pickcoder | to get more info |
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| 22:16.52 | Nemoder | wiikii: are you sure you are logged in as root? |
| 22:16.56 | xored | pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/433618 |
| 22:17.06 | foxiness | Guerin: yes but sometime torrent fast is the normal one on some case slow and am ask about this ... |
| 22:17.10 | wiikii | Nemoder i used sudo before, isn't the same? |
| 22:17.17 | manup_ | dondelelcaro, it says nothing.. |
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| 22:17.40 | pickcoder | xored: what about /usr/local/lib/sasl2/ |
| 22:17.43 | xored | pickcoder: still not working |
| 22:17.50 | pickcoder | did you run the ln command? |
| 22:17.53 | Nemoder | wiikii: no, sudo requires the user be setup with special access, just run 'su root' to switch to root |
| 22:17.59 | freeone3000 | Hmm. Is the current Unstable 'apt' broken? |
| 22:18.03 | xored | pickcoder: sure, symlink is there |
| 22:18.04 | wiikii | Nemoder ok hold on |
| 22:18.07 | manup_ | !tell manup about zombie |
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| 22:18.34 | xored | pickcoder: PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" thats where my socket is |
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| 22:19.16 | xored | pickcoder: bit there is only a "dir" not a socket file somehow |
| 22:19.24 | manup_ | i can not kill the process... killing parent process dont work as well |
| 22:19.55 | wiikii | Nemoder done is installed and i sent iwconfig buy says no wireless |
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| 22:20.04 | wiikii | :< and my both usb wireless adapter are connected! |
| 22:20.26 | Nemoder | wiikii: sorry, I don't know much about wireless |
| 22:20.46 | wiikii | Nemoder ok thank you very much :) |
| 22:20.53 | wiikii | Someone knows about wireless??! |
| 22:20.58 | stew | wiikii: what chipset does your card have? |
| 22:21.15 | wiikii | what carD? |
| 22:21.25 | stew | wiikii: your wireless card |
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| 22:21.31 | wiikii | uhm how can i know it? |
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| 22:22.04 | wiikii | SMC Ez connect 11 mbps wireless usb adapter SMC2662W |
| 22:22.04 | manup_ | wiikii, lspci tells you |
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| 22:22.04 | Guerin | wiikii: google that model name |
| 22:22.20 | Guerin | lspci won't tell you a goddamn thing about a usb card |
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| 22:25.15 | xored | pickcoder: no clue ? |
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| 22:26.07 | Maerz | there was a terminal, that allowed to be shared with other users.. anyone remembers the name ? |
| 22:26.38 | graytron_ | screen with certain permissions |
| 22:26.50 | DawnLight | hello |
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| 22:27.09 | qwerty07 | Guys, can anyone put their sources.list on pastebin or something? My repos are borked it seems |
| 22:27.12 | wiikii | Guerin i can't find something about chipset |
| 22:27.16 | SDBolts21n56 | xfree86 and x.org does not have (hold) the device drivers for your video card. But the point to the ones used (or held) in your kernel or kernel module? |
| 22:27.20 | Ronin | qwerty07: why? whats wrong with yours? |
| 22:27.25 | SDBolts21n56 | am i correct? |
| 22:27.30 | qwerty07 | It's not finding php5 for instance |
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| 22:28.03 | Ronin | qwerty07: well maybe its not in the release of debian you're running |
| 22:28.11 | Guerin | wiikii: funny, I can find 1,380 documents on google featuring the words SMC2662W+linux |
| 22:28.17 | wiikii | Guerin !!!!!!! Intersil PRISM II |
| 22:28.25 | Guerin | ZOMG |
| 22:28.27 | wiikii | now what? btw why ubuntu detect it ?? |
| 22:28.39 | Guerin | !htfswk wiikii |
| 22:28.39 | dpkg | wiikii: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:28.48 | wiikii | hahahahahahahhahaha |
| 22:28.49 | Ronin | heh nice one |
| 22:28.51 | wiikii | ahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 22:28.55 | wiikii | loooooool :)) |
| 22:28.56 | Natniet | qwerty07: try php5-common |
| 22:28.58 | DawnLight | netinst doesn't figure out my DHCP completely. it tells me that a default route was not set. i know that my default route should be 10.0.0.138. can i configure it manually? |
| 22:29.39 | Guerin | wiikii: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html |
| 22:29.53 | wad | I need to temporarily block outgoing email, so that postfix will queue it up, until my relay host is working again. Is there a way to disable outgoing port 25 traffic? |
| 22:30.07 | Spec | yes |
| 22:30.10 | Natniet | DawnLight: vi /etc/network/interfaces and add gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xx |
| 22:30.18 | wols | DawnLight: either set up all of it manually or try to go to 2nd virtual console and use "/sbin/route" to set it |
| 22:30.27 | wols | Natniet: there is no such thing on install |
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| 22:31.09 | wols | wad: are you an elpehant? |
| 22:31.13 | wols | *elephant |
| 22:31.19 | wiikii | Guerin haha aaaaaaaaaaand now? |
| 22:31.35 | Guerin | wiikii: now you reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. |
| 22:31.52 | CaT[tm] | tee-hee |
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| 22:31.58 | DawnLight | thanks Natniet. on second thought perhaps my default route isn't my modem's ip since i'm not using nat? wols:manually just doesn't work either but that doesn't tell me that it's missing anything |
| 22:32.00 | Spec | wad: sorry, was looking it up |
| 22:32.07 | Spec | wad: http://cbl.abuseat.org/nat.html |
| 22:32.08 | wad | hee hee |
| 22:32.14 | wad | ah, cool. Thanks, man! |
| 22:32.27 | Spec | wad: Linux iptables: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP |
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| 22:32.45 | DawnLight | my setup is an ADSL modem that is set up to dial ppp and serve DHCP with no nat |
| 22:32.51 | wad | sweet |
| 22:32.58 | wols | Spec: that's nice and all. so after sime time when postfix is done trying it all comes back to sender, bounced? |
| 22:33.04 | wiikii | Guerin: modprobe prism54 ????? |
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| 22:33.21 | pickcoder | xored: got interrupted |
| 22:33.26 | Guerin | wiikii: i have no fucking idea, i've never used one. |
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| 22:33.30 | pickcoder | you have no auth socket path in your postfix config |
| 22:33.46 | SDBolts21n56 | xfree86 and x.org does not have (hold) the device drivers for your video card. But does point to the device drivers used (or held) in your kernel or kernel modules? |
| 22:33.48 | SDBolts21n56 | am i correct? |
| 22:33.50 | wols | xored: is saslauthd running? |
| 22:33.56 | DawnLight | so i give my eth0 an ip of 10.0.0.1 for instance, 255.0.0.0, gateway is 10.0.0.138 and dns also 10.0.0.138 |
| 22:33.57 | Spec | wols: what? |
| 22:34.09 | wols | SDBolts21n56: no you are not |
| 22:34.19 | wols | Spec: you know what bounced mail is? |
| 22:34.23 | Spec | yeah |
| 22:34.30 | xored | wols: yes, but is etch still using the PARAM ? |
| 22:34.39 | Spec | wols: he asked how to disable outgoing port 25 |
| 22:36.29 | Spec | wols: i don't care what that does to his postfix, if it's not what he thinks it does |
| 22:36.29 | SDBolts21n56 | wols, so what am i missing? |
| 22:36.29 | wols | Spec: he asked more than that. maybe you should learn to read? |
| 22:36.29 | xored | wols: http://pastebin.ca/433644 thats my /etc/defaul/sasl con file |
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| 22:36.29 | wols | SDBolts21n56: xorg does contain drivers for your card(s) |
| 22:36.29 | Spec | wols: Is there a way to disable outgoing port 25 traffic? |
| 22:36.30 | xored | pickcoder: ah ok...http://pastebin.ca/433644 that my sasl defaul config file. Is that PARAM line workin under etch ? |
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| 22:36.30 | wad | So, the situation is that my relay host won't relay for another 20 hours or so. I need to prevent my users from sending messages somehow. |
| 22:36.30 | SDBolts21n56 | wols, may you should learn to read. |
| 22:36.31 | SDBolts21n56 | xfree86 and x.org does not have (hold) the device drivers for your video card. But does point to the device drivers used (or held) in your kernel or kernel modules? |
| 22:36.31 | wols | xored: is PARAMS the default like it is there? |
| 22:36.31 | fs-a | lol, 4.0 released and sid went trigger happy in updates eh? |
| 22:36.31 | DawnLight | wols/Natniet: if i'm using DHCP spoofing that mens that my computer gets the internet ip, right? so isn't the default route the isp's gateway?? |
| 22:36.32 | xored | wols: hmm, could you rephrase ? |
| 22:36.32 | wad | I was thinking that blocking port 25 would do this. Is there a better way? I'd like the users to be notified that their message didn't get sent, if that's not terribly complicated. |
| 22:36.41 | wols | xored: did you edit PARAMS? |
| 22:36.50 | SlackRat | according to google, ralink 2500 shouldnt have to install fireware? does that sound right? |
| 22:36.51 | bzed | wad: you users will get noted if port 25 is blocked, too |
| 22:36.52 | Spec | wad: they will be, they'll get bounced notifications since the mailserver couldn't get out on 25 |
| 22:36.58 | xored | wols: my ISP config did that under sarge. |
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| 22:37.05 | xored | wols: no its that file from sarge |
| 22:37.05 | bzed | wad: the only thing you could do is to stop postfix from running the queue |
| 22:37.17 | Natniet | file dhclient-script uses /sbin/resolvconf But this is not installed ! is this a dependency problem ? |
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| 22:37.24 | bzed | wad: or just rise the time when postfix will send a warning |
| 22:37.33 | wad | Ah... that might be a better solution, ey? |
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| 22:37.37 | Spec | bzed: he wants postfix to send the message (bounced), i believe. |
| 22:37.48 | pickcoder | xored: does /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd exist |
| 22:37.56 | bzed | wad: postfix will retry until the message was delivered (if things are configured correctly) |
| 22:38.02 | wols | Spec: he said what he wanted: to let postfix wait sending until he has connectivity again |
| 22:38.22 | SDBolts21n56 | xfree86 and x.org does not have (hold) the device drivers for your video card. But does point to the device drivers used (or held) in your kernel or kernel modules? |
| 22:38.24 | wad | Hmm. On further thought, there are users who have .forward files in their accounts. Maybe it would be better that postfix just queued it up, to be delivered later. |
| 22:38.26 | wols | there is (afaik) some special MTA for his kind of setup |
| 22:38.30 | Natniet | DawnLight: yes it should be |
| 22:38.30 | SDBolts21n56 | am i correct? |
| 22:38.38 | wols | which would be much better suited than postfix |
| 22:38.50 | xored | pickcoder: wols : ok i got it...: you both saw that PARAM line in my sasl config ? its not working under etch anymore..it has to be OPTIONS now. So if you see ppl running into that probles..thats the point. Its working now |
| 22:38.52 | wols | SDBolts21n56: you are not |
| 22:39.06 | pickcoder | xored: ok |
| 22:39.12 | Spec | wols: but he did not ask how to accomplish it, he asked how to block port 25 outgoing, which i answered. |
| 22:39.13 | SDBolts21n56 | wols, again what am i missing? |
| 22:39.15 | DawnLight | Does Natniet mean that you're using the same setup also? :) |
| 22:39.27 | qwerty07 | I'm having trouble with Sasl2-bin, any ideas? Action "start" failed. |
| 22:39.36 | wols | xored: so it would ahve worked if you hadn't kept the old config file on upgrade it would have worked? |
| 22:39.53 | wols | SDBolts21n56: you didn't like the answer the first time, so why would you like it more now? I can't read, remember? |
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| 22:40.33 | SDBolts21n56 | wols, you said "xorg does contain drivers for your card(s)" |
| 22:40.35 | wols | Spec: so that postfix will queue it up, until my relay host is working again. |
| 22:40.37 | wols | he did ask |
| 22:40.38 | Natniet | if you modem is not doing nat then its in bridge mode right ? |
| 22:40.40 | SDBolts21n56 | xfree86 and x.org does not have (hold) the device drivers for your video card. But does point to the device drivers used (or held) in your kernel or kernel modules? |
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| 22:41.03 | SDBolts21n56 | wols, were do i say xorg contains drivers??? |
| 22:41.03 | wols | SDBolts21n56: constantly spamming the same via cut paste won't gte you answers |
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| 22:41.06 | wols | !tell SDBolts21n56 about repeat |
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| 22:41.22 | wols | x.org does not have the device drivers for your video card |
| 22:41.26 | mifritscher | hi |
| 22:41.26 | wols | there |
| 22:41.28 | Natniet | DawnLight: then you box should do the dhcp request |
| 22:41.28 | DawnLight | Natniet, it's in DHCP spoofing mode and it works perfectly with windows but not in knoppix and not in the netinst |
| 22:41.40 | mifritscher | why is libapache2-mod-auth-mysq in oldstable and in testing, but not in trunk?! |
| 22:41.43 | mifritscher | *stable |
| 22:41.46 | SDBolts21n56 | wols, you can not read you ass |
| 22:42.19 | xored | wols: no...i let dpkg overwrite the file first. But after it did not worked..i restored the old one. In the fresh etch one there is no chroot line at all ( no option line ) so it did not worked because of that |
| 22:42.22 | DawnLight | Natniet: what? |
| 22:42.26 | bzed | mifritscher: because the maintainer orphaned it, and the patch which converted the mess of code to be compatible with apache2.2 came a bit late |
| 22:42.28 | wols | SDBolts21n56: have a nice day. now go away |
| 22:42.29 | SDBolts21n56 | Please someone else read the early statment and tell me if my am missing somthing |
| 22:42.53 | mifritscher | bzed, but the package in testing is ok now? |
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| 22:43.02 | DawnLight | Natniet can i /msg you, this is hurting my eyes |
| 22:43.07 | xored | wols: its somehow currios because debian is chrooting postifix out of the box...but somehow not configuring sals right |
| 22:43.13 | Natniet | DawnLight: yes |
| 22:43.18 | bzed | SDBolts21n56: yes. you missed to learn how to be nice and how to ask a serious question. |
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| 22:43.26 | wols | xored: I had the same problem with lmtp to hand over mails to cyrus |
| 22:43.30 | pickcoder | xored: your postfix setup didn't need to change, but sasl2's config did |
| 22:43.32 | bzed | mifritscher: it works for me. no clue if it's really ok |
| 22:43.36 | SlackRat | hmn, the installer hasnt asked 'any more cds' yet........i hate gnome..... |
| 22:43.40 | wols | same reason. I told you that postfix people hate debian for the chrooting |
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| 22:43.53 | SDBolts21n56 | bzed, sorry wols i not reading the question just answering |
| 22:43.59 | xored | wols: thats no soluotion |
| 22:44.03 | mifritscher | internal server error *g* |
| 22:44.07 | wols | xored: all I can give you |
| 22:44.12 | markybob | SlackRat: then use the kde cd. or the xfce cd. whatever you want |
| 22:44.21 | xored | wols: thank you for helping ofc...it was no offense |
| 22:44.27 | hatter | each time i reboot, /dev/tape symbolic link disappears, how do i make it stay ? |
| 22:44.34 | SlackRat | kde should be on the second, right? |
| 22:44.36 | wols | xored: none seen |
| 22:44.45 | bzed | tell SDBolts21n56 about ask |
| 22:44.49 | mifritscher | bzed, Could not open password file: (null) |
| 22:44.50 | abrotman | oh .. on join spam! |
| 22:44.50 | bzed | tell SDBolts21n56 about ecr |
| 22:44.52 | SlackRat | guess i can apt cdrom it on |
| 22:44.52 | mifritscher | hmpf *g* |
| 22:44.59 | solemnwarning | I've written a C program that gets exclusive access to a keyboard with the Linux 2.6 evdev driver and executes commands when certain keys are pressed, I'm thinking about making it more configurable and releasing it. Does it sound like a useful program? |
| 22:45.00 | markybob | SlackRat: read the docs. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 22:45.02 | mifritscher | it worked in sarge |
| 22:45.12 | SDBolts21n56 | WOW bzed let it go |
| 22:45.14 | wols | xored: what I don't get is why the postfix people make it explitictly chrootable if they don't like what debian then does of course |
| 22:45.16 | SlackRat | thanks mark.... |
| 22:45.17 | bzed | mifritscher: I think I've built the ubuntu package for debian :P |
| 22:45.23 | abrotman | but it was on oftc ... |
| 22:45.24 | xored | proftpd has problems to...etch-> sarge stable seems to be buggy still |
| 22:45.29 | mifritscher | ah |
| 22:45.29 | SDBolts21n56 | I am just trying to clearify a statment |
| 22:45.34 | bzed | !tell SDBolts21n56 about ecr |
| 22:45.39 | bzed | !tell SDBolts21n56 about ask |
| 22:45.41 | markybob | proftpd sucks in every single way |
| 22:45.47 | mifritscher | bzed, can I yust use the 7.04-version from authmysql? |
| 22:45.53 | DawnLight | Natniet: are you not getting msg from me? |
| 22:46.03 | hatter | markybob: why ? which one you prefer ? |
| 22:46.06 | markybob | !vsftpd |
| 22:46.10 | dpkg | vsftpd is, like, a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 22:46.11 | xored | wols: in my eyes. chrooting postfix is quite a good idea...but it should be all configured properly together |
| 22:46.28 | SDBolts21n56 | hahahah bzed please stop. |
| 22:46.35 | hatter | markybob: cool, thx |
| 22:46.36 | qwerty07 | Does sasl2 have anything to do with user authentication? |
| 22:46.45 | bzed | SDBolts21n56: that was nothing to laugh about. |
| 22:46.49 | wols | xored: kinda hard since saslauthd isn't really coming from postfix but is more from the cyrus or courier corner |
| 22:46.49 | Guerin | qwerty07: that's *all* it does |
| 22:46.51 | Natniet | DawnLight: No ... did you log in oj freenode ? |
| 22:46.52 | wols | postfix just uses it |
| 22:46.54 | hatter | symbolic links in /dev are managed by udev now arent they ? |
| 22:46.56 | bzed | mifritscher: no clue, sorry :( |
| 22:47.03 | wols | and it's only one of many different ways to do auth |
| 22:47.09 | qwerty07 | Guerin, but if that wasn't installed properly I would still be able to login via shh? |
| 22:47.11 | qwerty07 | *ssh |
| 22:47.17 | bzed | mifritscher: ask me again in a few weeks when I need to setup a new server:P |
| 22:47.18 | stew | hatter: if you have udev running, everything in /dev is managed by udev |
| 22:47.20 | SDBolts21n56 | bzed, i have a question i try to get answer what is your problem????????????????????????? |
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| 22:47.32 | Guerin | qwerty07: different auth. You might be thinking of PAM |
| 22:47.33 | xored | wols: did something changed with the proftpd config file...did it move ? |
| 22:47.34 | mifritscher | lol, in a few weeks I'm killed ... |
| 22:47.38 | qwerty07 | ah, good |
| 22:47.40 | wols | xored: no clue |
| 22:47.44 | stew | SDBolts21n56: what is "your video card"? |
| 22:47.49 | hatter | stew: right, time to spend some time with udev, thx |
| 22:47.50 | DawnLight | Natniet what's that/ |
| 22:48.37 | bzed | SDBolts21n56: you diodn't ask a single question. at least not within those 1000 lines I can scroll up. telling us that your card is not supported won't help you |
| 22:48.44 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, i have a couple of ati and nvidia's but my question is more the fuction of xfree86 |
| 22:49.04 | abrotman | etch/lenny/sid don't have xfree86 |
| 22:49.06 | stew | SDBolts21n56: is your question simply "does xfree86 and xorg contain drivers for video cards"? |
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| 22:49.33 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, but point to the kernel for drivers? yes! |
| 22:49.51 | stew | SDBolts21n56: xorg and xfree contain video drivers for graphics cards. |
| 22:50.07 | stew | SDBolts21n56: they also may additionally talk to kernel drivers for accelleration |
| 22:50.08 | wols | stew: now you did it and angered SDBolts21n56 |
| 22:50.10 | pickcoder | wols: they dislike chrooting it on Debian, because they have so many problems pop up specifically because it's one of the only distros that does it by default |
| 22:50.19 | stew | wols: huh? |
| 22:50.26 | jelly-home | SDBolts21n56: the kernel parts mostly do 3D acceleration |
| 22:50.35 | wols | stew: I told him that xorg contains drivers and he didn't like what I said |
| 22:50.41 | bzed | stew: you repeated what wols said. wols was called ass after that :P |
| 22:50.41 | wols | not the kernel |
| 22:50.47 | pickcoder | it has nothing to do with the actual chrooting itself.. I think it's a good thing, personally. However, unless the admin installing postfix is aware it, configs can easily be botched |
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| 22:51.12 | xored | did something changed with the proftpd server with etch ? its not starting anymore after upgrading sarge -> etch |
| 22:51.17 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, thanks |
| 22:51.18 | stew | SDBolts21n56: do my answers answer your question? |
| 22:51.27 | abrotman | what question? :) |
| 22:51.39 | wols | abrotman: the unasked one? |
| 22:51.41 | SDBolts21n56 | yes |
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| 22:52.01 | abrotman | stew has answered the un-question |
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| 22:52.14 | stew | SDBolts21n56: in the future, if someone is bothering you, please use /ignore and don't resort to name calling |
| 22:52.28 | qwerty07 | * Ideas? Package php5-mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:52.44 | wols | !info php5-mysql |
| 22:52.51 | dpkg | php5-mysql: (MySQL module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-10 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 22:52.59 | wols | !info php5-mysql etch |
| 22:53.04 | Omena- | i need php5 also |
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| 22:53.08 | dpkg | php5-mysql: (MySQL module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 22:53.10 | Omena- | debian does not have it |
| 22:53.16 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 22:53.21 | cafuego | Mine does. |
| 22:53.23 | Omena- | ;< |
| 22:53.25 | xand | Omena-: yes it does |
| 22:53.26 | wols | I tend to believe dpkg more than you two, sorry |
| 22:53.27 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, you are right? |
| 22:53.32 | Omena- | and phpmyadmin for tat? |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:53.39 | bzed | Omena-: is in debian, too |
| 22:53.39 | qwerty07 | That's what I got when I tried to apt-get install php5-mysql :-( |
| 22:53.46 | Omena- | well how |
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| 22:53.52 | abrotman | qwerty07: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 22:54.05 | qwerty07 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:54.05 | Omena- | i dont belive in apt at all |
| 22:54.05 | xand | Omena-: are you still using sarge? |
| 22:54.06 | mifritscher | bzed, the version from ubuntu 7.04 can't work (wrong libc) |
| 22:54.14 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, but people like wols and bzed can go to hell! |
| 22:54.17 | abrotman | qwerty07: you most certainly have php5 |
| 22:54.17 | Omena- | xand how should i know :< |
| 22:54.18 | xored | abrotman: could you help me with proftpd? after upgrading to etch its not starting..it seems not to be able to "resolve" the ip6 server name or something strange...any tips ? |
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| 22:54.25 | Omena- | i installed it like 2 years ago |
| 22:54.26 | bzed | mifritscher: get the source and rebuild it :P |
| 22:54.27 | Omena- | my debian |
| 22:54.33 | w0jtas` | hi, can i recover removed files from shell ?? :/ very important ! |
| 22:54.33 | w0jtas` | ;d |
| 22:54.36 | abrotman | xored: let me see if my box has a working proftpd :) |
| 22:54.43 | wols | Omena-: maybe you should update once in a while? |
| 22:54.44 | xand | Omena-: that'll be a yes then |
| 22:54.44 | cafuego | Omena-: Are you on Sarge maybe? |
| 22:54.47 | mifritscher | ok... |
| 22:54.49 | pickcoder | Omena-: have you ever don't an "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 22:54.54 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:54.56 | pickcoder | s/don't/done |
| 22:54.57 | Omena- | im doin right now |
| 22:55.00 | aubade | Anyone know a reason why I wouldn't be able to use executables/scripts that are any partition other than what I have mounted as root? |
| 22:55.01 | Omena- | i had 400 updates |
| 22:55.03 | Omena- | :D |
| 22:55.06 | qwerty07 | abrotman, all the php5 packages are in rc status when I dpkg -l them |
| 22:55.07 | pickcoder | erm.. you should do it monthly atleast |
| 22:55.11 | w0jtas` | anybody can help me ? :( |
| 22:55.15 | Omena- | im sure this will brake my system |
| 22:55.16 | bzed | !beer the bad wols and me |
| 22:55.18 | abrotman | qwerty07: okay .. so install them if you want them |
| 22:55.18 | Omena- | apt ALWAYS brakes |
| 22:55.34 | Vasistha | w0jtas`: what kind of partition? ext2? ext3? |
| 22:55.34 | Omena- | when ur doing something big |
| 22:55.34 | w0jtas` | ext3 |
| 22:55.34 | jelly-home | !tell w0jtas` -about ask |
| 22:55.34 | xand | aubade: they're mounted noexec? |
| 22:55.34 | wols | w0jtas`: no you cannot. |
| 22:55.34 | Omena- | i dont belive in apt one bit |
| 22:55.36 | cafuego | Omena-: What does `cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
| 22:55.38 | tonyb2006 | !any ideas? |
| 22:55.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little vegemite, and a handful of sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 22:55.39 | Vasistha | w0jtas`: you probably will not be able to, but you can check out magicrescue |
| 22:55.41 | w0jtas` | wols: so how runs recover programs ? |
| 22:55.42 | pickcoder | Omena-: can you pull up another console and look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:55.43 | abrotman | xored: mine too! |
| 22:55.45 | aubade | xand: Nah, even added exec to the options in fstab to be sure of it. |
| 22:55.50 | qwerty07 | abrotman, E: Package php5-mysql has no installation candidate |
| 22:55.55 | xand | w0jtas`: if you're using ext3, it's very very hard to restore them |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | qwerty07: apt-get update first ? |
| 22:55.59 | hrmphh | is there some fine in /etc that controls access to dev devices |
| 22:56.03 | Omena- | cafuego 3.1 |
| 22:56.08 | wols | w0jtas`: due to journalling it's not possible safely to undelete files |
| 22:56.10 | xand | aubade: and what happens when you try to run them? |
| 22:56.27 | xand | w0jtas`: you'll have to restore them from your backup |
| 22:56.29 | qwerty07 | abrotman, yes. Do I need to add another type of repo maybe? |
| 22:56.35 | w0jtas` | i have no backup :/ |
| 22:56.36 | Omena- | pickcoder im using Stable repos |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | xored: easily solved! |
| 22:56.43 | pickcoder | Omena-: don't worry about apt.. I recently upgraded a Woody box (3.0) to Etch(4.0) when in testing |
| 22:56.45 | wols | w0jtas`: shit outta luck then |
| 22:56.47 | qwerty07 | This is all I have deb http://ftp.port80.se/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 22:56.47 | w0jtas` | i was trying to make that and i lost all data ;( |
| 22:56.53 | xored | abrotman: ? |
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| 22:56.54 | cafuego | Omena-: 3./1 does not contain php5. You'll need to dist-upgrade the entire machine to Debian 4.0. (Which I guess is what you're doing now) |
| 22:57.00 | abrotman | qwerty07: maybe an official one ? |
| 22:57.03 | Omena- | i am? |
| 22:57.04 | aubade | xand: Actually forgot it, they're in working order all of the sudden. lol |
| 22:57.09 | Omena- | cool |
| 22:57.09 | aubade | Forget it, even. :P |
| 22:57.09 | hatter | can someone tell me please what to put where to make a symbolic link static with udev : ln -s /dev/ht0 /dev/tape ? |
| 22:57.15 | abrotman | xored: it's at the very top of /usr/share/doc/proftpd/README.Debian :) |
| 22:57.15 | Omena- | i did dist-upgrade |
| 22:57.16 | qwerty07 | abrotman, sure, where can I get a list? |
| 22:57.16 | xand | Omena-: well maybe |
| 22:57.21 | Omena- | is it gonna brake the system? |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | !tell qwerty07 about mirrrors |
| 22:57.25 | abrotman | !tell qwerty07 about mirrors |
| 22:57.34 | pickcoder | Omena-: yes.. Etch (4.0) is now "stable" repos |
| 22:57.42 | Omena- | coool |
| 22:57.46 | xand | Omena-: does it say "stable" in your sources.list? or does it say "sarge"? |
| 22:57.55 | Omena- | xand stable |
| 22:57.55 | xand | if it's the latter then you'll still be on sarge ;) |
| 22:57.58 | Omena- | all other repos are # |
| 22:57.59 | xand | ok |
| 22:58.23 | Omena- | and i did update before dist-upgrade |
| 22:58.27 | mifritscher | bzed, it says btw [Wed Apr 11 00:57:56 2007] [error] Internal error: pcfg_openfile() called with NULL filename |
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| 22:58.46 | qwerty07 | abrotman, Same thing :-/ |
| 22:58.49 | pickcoder | Omena-: you should be fine for the most part. Some things may need tweaking if you need your existing config files |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | qwerty07: paste your sources somewhere |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | !Paster |
| 22:58.58 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:58.59 | bzed | mifritscher: hmmmm sure that you're using the apache2.2 from etch? |
| 22:59.04 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: any specific file types? Maybe you could try magicrescue. |
| 22:59.06 | Omena- | ok :> |
| 22:59.15 | Omena- | am i gonna get PHP5'ed? |
| 22:59.17 | pickcoder | you will want to upgrade your kernel as soon as the machine is bootable again. 2.6.18-4 is the latest Etch kernel |
| 22:59.27 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 22:59.33 | qwerty07 | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/6034 |
| 22:59.40 | Omena- | 2.6.8-2-386 #1 |
| 22:59.43 | bzed | mifritscher: but I havent upgraded that auth-mysql package since some time, so I can't really help you :\ except you're running amd64, then I probably have the package lying aroudn somewhere |
| 22:59.52 | Omena- | pickcoder i have 2.6.8-2-386 :D |
| 22:59.58 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: but above all, first stop using that filesystem, unmount it and make a copy if the partition if you can |
| 23:00.00 | w0jtas` | jelly-home: .php generally |
| 23:00.04 | Omena- | 278 days of uptime |
| 23:00.04 | w0jtas` | i stopped ;) |
| 23:00.07 | w0jtas` | i'm in rescue mode |
| 23:00.09 | abrotman | qwerty07: where's your security line ? |
| 23:00.21 | qwerty07 | Sheesh, good point |
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| 23:00.35 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 23:00.40 | abrotman | or stable in your case |
| 23:00.47 | qwerty07 | Well I do have etch |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | not in your sources you don't |
| 23:01.00 | mifritscher | bzed, I've the error :P AuthBasicAuthoritative is default on on new version |
| 23:01.15 | mifritscher | ->switched to off ->problem solved |
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| 23:01.56 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: hmph, magicrescue is more for files in specific formats. It might find your .php text files but the filenames and directory structure is probably lost |
| 23:01.56 | qwerty07 | abrotman, not sure what's going on, but no luck with that either |
| 23:02.18 | w0jtas` | :/ |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | qwerty07: apt-get update .. any errors ? |
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| 23:02.25 | qwerty07 | nope |
| 23:02.48 | w0jtas` | jelly-home: is there possible to retrieve all files ? |
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| 23:03.05 | w0jtas` | i can lost directory because i lost only few small folders but very important |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | qwerty07: apt-cache policy php5-mysql |
| 23:03.22 | w0jtas` | directory structure* |
| 23:03.41 | w0jtas` | i've got .php .gif .jpg .tpl .html i think that's all |
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| 23:04.12 | qwerty07 | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/433677 |
| 23:04.13 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: frankly I have no idea, you might want to look for commercial data recovery services |
| 23:04.30 | w0jtas` | i have no money ;( |
| 23:04.46 | xored | abrotman: thank you, it worked |
| 23:04.53 | abrotman | xored: duh! |
| 23:05.09 | abrotman | qwerty07: do you have an /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 23:05.17 | Supaplex | w0jtas`: strings might be an ally. |
| 23:05.20 | qwerty07 | Yup |
| 23:05.24 | abrotman | what's in it ? |
| 23:05.40 | qwerty07 | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/433680 |
| 23:05.46 | w0jtas` | i need only files but really need :/ |
| 23:05.51 | qwerty07 | conveniently with php5 in it |
| 23:05.59 | abrotman | qwerty07: that's why you can't install it |
| 23:06.02 | Vasistha | !tell w0jtas` about info magicrescue |
| 23:06.06 | qwerty07 | Yeah, I see that now. |
| 23:06.13 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: I'd make a copy of the whole partition (using dd) on another disk and try magicrescue on the image. |
| 23:06.14 | qwerty07 | I could just del that file right? |
| 23:06.15 | w0jtas` | Vasistha: i dont know what's recipt |
| 23:06.22 | Vasistha | well, darn it, that just didn't work. |
| 23:06.49 | Vasistha | w0jtas`: magicrescue is a utility designed to rescue lost files from ext3 partitions. it's in debian. |
| 23:06.50 | abrotman | qwerty07: there is squirrel mail entries at the bottom .. dunno if you nee dhtose |
| 23:07.03 | w0jtas` | i know but what with "-r" ? |
| 23:07.04 | qwerty07 | Well if I del those it'll just give me Etch squirellmail, right? |
| 23:07.06 | w0jtas` | what put there ? |
| 23:07.09 | qwerty07 | Which is fine |
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| 23:07.21 | abrotman | xored: did you just use the same line int he README ? |
| 23:07.32 | abrotman | qwerty07: eh .. i think so |
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| 23:07.36 | qwerty07 | k |
| 23:07.43 | xored | abrotman: yes |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | xored: obviously puitting your hostname in the blank space :) |
| 23:08.21 | xored | abrotman: ofc i did that..its working. |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | erm .. where it told you |
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| 23:08.52 | abrotman | xored: okay .. guess i'll use that tomorrow at work to fix ours .. though i kind of like it not working :) |
| 23:08.54 | jugj | i installed lilo, till now my linux root was /dev/hda1. but now i installed the newest kernel and it became /dev/sda1. how can i fix this in lilo? |
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| 23:09.11 | abrotman | jugj: fix /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 23:09.26 | jugj | if i change it in lilo.conf then running lilo wont work |
| 23:09.35 | jahshua | /sbin/lilo ? |
| 23:09.41 | jugj | it will say there is no /dev/sda1...i cant reboot to the new kernel |
| 23:09.48 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, im scared to dist-upgrade man |
| 23:09.54 | BUMBACL0T | what should i do |
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| 23:10.05 | hrmphh | hmm |
| 23:10.06 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: well. just do it .. and then ask rahul for help |
| 23:10.08 | xored | BUMBACL0T: its working. |
| 23:10.08 | w0jtas` | so can anybody how run magicrescue ? |
| 23:10.11 | w0jtas` | device is /dev/sda2 |
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| 23:10.21 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 23:10.21 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:10.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:10.31 | rahul | I have google summer of code decisions to preside. |
| 23:10.36 | w0jtas` | files .php iw as in /home/www/undercity.pl/main |
| 23:10.37 | abrotman | xand: it belongs to a package |
| 23:10.38 | w0jtas` | it* |
| 23:10.39 | rahul | gotta run |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | rahul: hire resiak! |
| 23:10.44 | BUMBACL0T | xored & abrotman, i mean, im scared that itll mess up my config files |
| 23:10.47 | xand | abrotman: which? |
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| 23:10.57 | rahul | abrotman: for LispNYC |
| 23:10.59 | abrotman | rahul: give Ales four candidates! |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | rahul: oh ok |
| 23:11.05 | xored | BUMBACL0T: it will do some...but just keep the most... |
| 23:11.05 | rahul | heh |
| 23:11.11 | markybob | dpkg no, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 23:11.11 | dpkg | okay, markybob |
| 23:11.11 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 23:11.11 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | !find debian_version etch |
| 23:11.21 | xored | BUMBACL0T: you will run into small problems with postfix / sasl and proftpd |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | rahul: have fun .. i think |
| 23:11.25 | BUMBACL0T | or should i just do a fresh-install, but this is pain in the ass |
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| 23:11.31 | rahul | yeah, we'll see :P |
| 23:11.32 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debian_version' (1): (/etc/debian_version) in admin/base-files. |
| 23:11.37 | rahul | we might have a few fist fights |
| 23:11.40 | xand | why would that not be upgraded? |
| 23:11.40 | rahul | and I'm already late |
| 23:11.43 | rahul | POOF. |
| 23:11.44 | xored | BUMBACL0T: all the rest is working out of the bos..i upgraded from sarge to etch yesterday |
| 23:11.54 | jugj | so how can i make lilo see my /dev/sda1? now it is /dev/hda1 but on next reboot it will be /dev/sda1. |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | xand: see if you have the right version of the package |
| 23:12.04 | markybob | BUMBACL0T: read the release notes |
| 23:12.10 | BUMBACL0T | xored, really, hows apache, ssh, and all that important shits |
| 23:12.40 | xand | abrotman: it's 3.1.2 installed... why wouldn't it have been upgraded? |
| 23:12.48 | xored | BUMBACL0T: works. Apache2 + php5 is working fine..just get rid of all that backportage stuff before |
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| 23:12.51 | Guerin | xand: actually, postfix/sasl upgraded fine for me |
| 23:12.58 | Guerin | xored: ↑ |
| 23:13.02 | xored | BUMBACL0T: ssh is nothing changed ..but KEEP all the config files |
| 23:13.03 | Guerin | in fact |
| 23:13.15 | Guerin | the only thing which broke is imp, which is better off broken anyway |
| 23:13.18 | xored | BUMBACL0T: same for all the things.. just keep them |
| 23:13.18 | abrotman | xand: reinstall the package and see ? |
| 23:13.29 | xand | abrotman: oh man, it's made of fail... I do apt-get dist-upgrade again and there's loads of stuff it hasn't done |
| 23:13.30 | BUMBACL0T | xored, what is postfix/sasl? i don't even use them |
| 23:13.32 | xand | SOGH |
| 23:13.35 | xand | SIGH |
| 23:13.47 | xored | BUMBACL0T: then you wont have that issue :) Email tuff |
| 23:13.52 | BUMBACL0T | oh |
| 23:13.52 | jugj | HELP, so how can i make lilo see my /dev/sda1? now it is /dev/hda1 but on next reboot it will be /dev/sda1. |
| 23:13.53 | BUMBACL0T | nvm |
| 23:13.53 | xand | apt-get is made of fail |
| 23:13.53 | abrotman | xand: whoops :) |
| 23:13.55 | BUMBACL0T | i do use them |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | xand: use aptitude ? |
| 23:14.04 | markybob | release notes! |
| 23:14.05 | markybob | damnit |
| 23:14.10 | xand | that's much worse |
| 23:14.25 | BUMBACL0T | xored, another problem is that im using custom kernel that i compiled myself |
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| 23:14.39 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: how is that a problem? |
| 23:15.00 | xored | BUMBACL0T: what has the kernel to do with the OS ? |
| 23:15.01 | xand | im so rebuilding |
| 23:15.06 | abrotman | xored: a lot? |
| 23:15.07 | BUMBACL0T | Guerin, nvm then |
| 23:15.31 | streuner | hm |
| 23:15.35 | BUMBACL0T | im just saying, i should use the one that came with 4.0 |
| 23:15.47 | xored | abrotman: i dont think that the kernelversion will mess up any debian versions. They are developed seperated |
| 23:15.53 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: what you should do it go and read the release notes |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | xored: udev support? |
| 23:15.59 | markybob | thank you!!! |
| 23:15.59 | Guerin | s/it/is/ |
| 23:16.02 | BUMBACL0T | Guerin, i am |
| 23:16.03 | abrotman | !tell msamour about away |
| 23:16.16 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: then how is it you have so many stupid questions? |
| 23:16.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:16.33 | xored | abrotman: sorry...i forget that old-backed kernels of debian still are that far back |
| 23:16.53 | mikecc | anyone know why after a total successful install of ndiswrapper my wireless card still does not show up in ifconfig/iwconfig? no errors and the installation went smoothly, ndiswrapper -l even says "hardware present" |
| 23:17.03 | xored | abrotman: iam at 2.6.20 right now, at desktop ofc, not server |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | xored: i'm not sure how the difference in initramfs toosl might cause problems .. but maybe ? |
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| 23:18.22 | namit_hom1 | anyone help me with this error i did do something earlier with this but now it seams to be worse |
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| 23:18.24 | namit_hom1 | http://pastebin.ca/433694 |
| 23:19.11 | streuner | namit_home: apt-get install localeconf |
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| 23:19.30 | Omena- | well im upgrading my debian now :> |
| 23:19.53 | streuner | Did you read the release notes as well? :-) |
| 23:19.54 | Omena- | just that still i have half of those boxes in some weird language |
| 23:20.12 | Omena- | been trying to change the language for 2 years |
| 23:20.19 | Omena- | lol its just STUCK |
| 23:20.30 | mikes1 | install,,,fresh is best ,,like fruit |
| 23:20.36 | mikes1 | :) |
| 23:20.38 | troubled | bloody windows updates :( |
| 23:20.53 | streuner | "Some people never learn" |
| 23:21.10 | namit_home | streuner: now getting http://pastebin.ca/433695 |
| 23:21.42 | Omena- | well the installing is goin fine |
| 23:21.42 | troubled | before I reboot i will say this. I used to not trust UPnP in windows xp years ago. Then MS patched it. Now I find it strange that, yes once again someone can take over windows via UPnP and 3 other security issues |
| 23:21.44 | abrotman | qwerty07: glad to hear it |
| 23:21.44 | Omena- | i think |
| 23:21.48 | troubled | like WTF MS! |
| 23:22.00 | mikes1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.37 | w0jtas` | ok i copied every files now i can run magicrescue |
| 23:23.03 | w0jtas` | but how :D magicrecue -d /rescue -r ....???... /dev/sda2 |
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| 23:23.14 | Vasistha | w0jtas`: maybe read the manual? |
| 23:23.25 | namit_home | streuner: now getting http://pastebin.ca/433695 |
| 23:23.29 | qwerty07 | Anyone have any suggestions for this wine error? wine failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | qwerty07: stop using unofficial packages ? |
| 23:24.06 | namit_home | streuner: this is when i run apt-get install localconf |
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| 23:24.11 | qwerty07 | heh, I'll have to check. |
| 23:24.13 | abrotman | !tell qwerty07 about search |
| 23:24.26 | streuner | namit_home: uh, that looks really ugly |
| 23:24.37 | w0jtas` | ok i know, but what's recipe for .php .txt .tpl .html etc ? |
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| 23:25.56 | namit_home | streuner: yes it does and it si |
| 23:25.56 | namit_home | streuner: and it is |
| 23:25.57 | Vasistha | w0jtas`: the shell glob? If it's a shell glob you want, and you're using bash, you can do *.{php,txt,html,etc} |
| 23:25.57 | qwerty07 | abrotman, just remove wine and reinstall with the official one? I'm pretty sure it is, but just to be sure.. |
| 23:25.57 | streuner | How did you manage to broke your system in this way? |
| 23:25.57 | abrotman | qwerty07: sounds like a decent plan |
| 23:25.57 | abrotman | qwerty07: you might want to see what other broken unofficial crap you have |
| 23:25.57 | qwerty07 | ;-) |
| 23:25.57 | w0jtas` | Vasistha: ok |
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| 23:25.59 | Insolit | is there a newsgroups program like Grabit (windows) to debian (linux)? |
| 23:26.04 | Omena- | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | Insolit: pan |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | though i've never seen grabit |
| 23:26.15 | Omena- | my locales are FED |
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| 23:26.33 | Shaun2222 | anybody know why a filesystem that was created with ext2fs v1.35 would trying to mount it in debian 4 with ext2fs version 1.4 why i would seee errors about the superblock last mount/write being in the future and also seein this error "/dev/sda1 has gone 49710 days without being checked, check forced." |
| 23:26.35 | Omena- | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 23:26.39 | Omena- | jesus |
| 23:27.01 | Omena- | how the heck am i supposed to know what to put in there |
| 23:27.05 | abrotman | jesus doesn't care about your locale |
| 23:27.12 | Insolit | thanks abrotman |
| 23:27.14 | mikes1 | lol |
| 23:27.17 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:27.20 | Inf3rn0[lt] | My laptop has a pointing stick and a touch pad, The pad has uber low sensitivity though, and none of them are affected by the changes I do in the control panel in gnome.. (This is Etch btw) |
| 23:27.24 | Omena- | they've been broken for 2 years now |
| 23:27.24 | zinx_ | Shaun2222: as to the first, who cares? as to the time.. your clock either was wrong, or is wrong. |
| 23:27.29 | Omena- | and i have tryed to fix them |
| 23:27.30 | Omena- | BUT NO |
| 23:27.34 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:27.50 | Omena- | i wanna have english language and finnish keyboard layout |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 23:28.00 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 23:28.01 | Omena- | but NO |
| 23:28.08 | Shaun2222 | zinx_: the partition was created on a xen host, the partition is being used on a Xen guest... it's the same server with the same clock. |
| 23:28.28 | zinx_ | Shaun2222: Apparently it isn't. |
| 23:28.44 | Shaun2222 | it is... |
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| 23:29.13 | zinx_ | Shaun2222: No, it isn't. The time stored in the filesystem is newer than the current time the kernel thinks it is. |
| 23:29.25 | zinx_ | Shaun2222: I won't speculate about what caused that, but that's what the 'error' is. |
| 23:29.44 | Omena- | jesus god |
| 23:29.47 | namit_home | streuner: i just went ps aux | grep dpkg killed processes there and now it works i installed that and do not seam to be getting errors but will restart now and see what happens |
| 23:29.48 | Omena- | its gonna fail for sure |
| 23:29.54 | Omena- | the installation has told me like 500 times |
| 23:29.55 | quitte_ | hi. is there a place to switch the behaviour gnome so that it uses sudo instead of su just like ubuntu does? |
| 23:30.00 | Omena- | error locale |
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| 23:30.11 | Omena- | will the programs install if there is some locale error |
| 23:30.22 | Omena- | perl keeps telling it |
| 23:30.44 | qwerty07 | abrotman, anything apart from just "wine" to remove? |
| 23:30.47 | namit_home | streuner: all seams well |
| 23:30.56 | abrotman | libwine ? |
| 23:31.06 | devsforev | Good afternoon everyone. I'm a little behind the curve, and I noticed that etch just went stable. I want to upgrade from sarge using a dist-upgrade. However, when I do so, it seems to want to want to eaither upgrade or remove the packages I purposly held back in /etc/apt/preferences! Any thoughts on this? Thanks a bunch |
| 23:31.08 | Vasistha | hehe, and all stitches well as well... |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | qwerty07: dpkg -l *wine* .. remove those ? |
| 23:31.16 | qwerty07 | k |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | devsforev: that's what a dist-upgrade does |
| 23:31.29 | Guerin | devsforev: you don't get to do a partial upgrade |
| 23:31.40 | devsforev | very well, thanks a bunch |
| 23:31.55 | Vasistha | devsforev: you might, however, want to back up your system |
| 23:31.57 | devsforev | there is no way to do a dist-upgrade, but "exclude" just three packacged in there? |
| 23:32.12 | Guerin | devsforev: not if they depend on something which is getting upgraded |
| 23:32.14 | qwerty07 | Reboot or restart of x required for wine? |
| 23:32.26 | dondelelcaro | devsforev: yes, but you have to use aptitude to do that. |
| 23:32.28 | Guerin | devsforev: you're better off just upgrading the whole damn shop |
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| 23:32.42 | Vasistha | qwerty07: probably not, but #wine knows best, right? |
| 23:32.50 | jelly-home | qwerty07: no. |
| 23:32.52 | dondelelcaro | (and you'll have to also not upgrade anything which has versioned dependencies which conflict with those) |
| 23:32.54 | qwerty07 | ..yes. Anyways it's working now so I'll shutup :-) |
| 23:33.35 | devsforev | Guerin: I would upgrade the entire thing, but I have a few packages that I compiled (specifically, postifx) that if they are updated, will have to be manually rebuilt and have patches re-applied to them. |
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| 23:34.05 | Guerin | devsforev: you'll need to schedule some downtime and rebuild that after the upgrade, then. |
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| 23:34.26 | devsforev | very well, thank you |
| 23:34.30 | Guerin | this is why I use stock parts :) |
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| 23:35.05 | streuner | devsforev: well, does those packages have names? ;-) |
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| 23:35.42 | mo1991 | can someone point me in a good place to start with encrypted filesystems. I want to run etch with filesystems encrypted - believe I need a boot partition, etc. |
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| 23:35.55 | mo1991 | right now everything is ext3 |
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| 23:35.59 | alexis | hello all |
| 23:36.34 | Vasistha | mo1991: http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
| 23:36.34 | mrbnet_ | what package is ipseckey part of? |
| 23:36.34 | abrotman | !search |
| 23:36.34 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 23:36.34 | devsforev | streuner: Aye. Oddly enough, the dist-upgrade wants to completely remove (and not reinstall) postfix, postfix-mysql, postfix-tls, and postfix-dev. All are specified in /etc/apt/preferences, which I just came to the understanding that a dist-upgrade ignores |
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| 23:36.59 | wols | devsforev: at least postfix-tls doesn't exist anymore |
| 23:37.38 | streuner | devsforev: yeah, its compiled into etch and sid nowadays... |
| 23:37.54 | devsforev | awesome |
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| 23:38.33 | devsforev | i'm going to have to make sure I have all my patches for postfix before I do this upgrade. Thanks everyone for your advice and help! |
| 23:38.50 | Omena- | looks like its PHP4 still |
| 23:39.03 | Omena- | no PHP5 for me |
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| 23:39.43 | xand | Omena-: are you sure you have etch? what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 23:39.49 | mo1991 | Vasistha - I would like to do it with the debian etch installer - Is all I need to do is create a /boot partition unencrypted? How big should the /boot partition be |
| 23:40.12 | markybob | mo1991: yes |
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| 23:40.33 | Vasistha | mo1991: boot partitions don't need to be big at all. 100 MB is over-the-top excessive. |
| 23:40.39 | Vasistha | (for most uses) |
| 23:40.52 | helo | i was gonna say... |
| 23:40.59 | helo | i put mp3s on my /boot, and 100MB isn't nearly enough! |
| 23:41.03 | mo1991 | is that all I need to do to setup encyrpted filesystem with Etch installer - just make sure the /boot parition is setup? |
| 23:41.08 | markybob | helo: you're retarded |
| 23:41.08 | xand | helo: why the hell do you do that? |
| 23:41.10 | mikes1 | mo1991: you mean /? |
| 23:41.13 | helo | hahaha |
| 23:41.20 | Vasistha | dude, helo was kidding |
| 23:41.32 | mrbnet_ | dpkg: thanks for the help |
| 23:41.33 | dpkg | no problem, mrbnet_ |
| 23:41.34 | mo1991 | mikes1 / will be in a seperate partition than /boot |
| 23:41.44 | mikes1 | yes |
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| 23:41.54 | markybob | mo1991: as long as /boot is unencrypted, you can encrypt / and everything else you'd like |
| 23:43.01 | mfi_ | Hi |
| 23:43.04 | mfi_ | How can I configure X |
| 23:43.11 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 23:43.11 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:43.12 | mfi_ | dpkg something I can't remember |
| 23:43.18 | timewriter | anyone has a good howto page , for installing ATI drivers on Etch |
| 23:43.26 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 23:43.26 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 23:44.27 | timewriter | E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver |
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| 23:47.47 | abrotman | it's non-free |
| 23:47.47 | bzed | !non-free |
| 23:47.48 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 23:48.24 | mikes1 | timewriter: I found ati driver fine even on my lapy 1280x800 |
| 23:48.34 | timewriter | what videocard are u running |
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| 23:49.11 | Thazza | Looking for crypt supported verison of SASL2 that runs on ETCH |
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| 23:50.16 | mikes1 | timewriter: hell ATI Radeon Xpress 200 |
| 23:50.26 | mikes1 | -hell |
| 23:50.32 | timewriter | i have X800GTO |
| 23:50.45 | timewriter | and i dont know how to install the driver |
| 23:50.56 | timewriter | if i choose ati on xorg.conf , X crashes |
| 23:51.12 | SDBolts21n56 | to start gnome i run gnome-session, (is there a better command) how do I stop gnome |
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| 23:51.41 | markybob | SDBolts21n56: stop gnome? you log out |
| 23:51.41 | SDBolts21n56 | is a window manager the same as a display manager? |
| 23:51.49 | dondelelcaro | SDBolts21n56: no |
| 23:52.09 | mikes1 | timewriter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg ? |
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| 23:52.30 | markybob | SDBolts21n56: /msg dpkg wm and /msg dpkg dm |
| 23:53.02 | timewriter | i did that |
| 23:53.09 | timewriter | not working |
| 23:53.26 | mikes1 | so using "vesa' at the mo/ |
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| 23:53.40 | SDBolts21n56 | markybob, yes i am runing x over ssh I have typed gnome-session to start gnome desktop now i was to stop that process. is there a command for that? |
| 23:53.47 | SDBolts21n56 | markybob, thanks |
| 23:54.04 | Omena- | Errors were encountered while processing: liblockdev1 |
| 23:54.31 | mikes1 | markybob: you have any thoughts on why my blank screen saver is bright not black/ |
| 23:54.33 | mikes1 | ? |
| 23:55.05 | markybob | mikes1: no. that's pretty humorous, though :) |
| 23:55.09 | timewriter | yes |
| 23:55.14 | timewriter | i use vesa |
| 23:55.26 | SDBolts21n56 | so does display managers use windows managers? |
| 23:56.00 | mikes1 | markybob: its white? Hmm ,that does not save my lcd! |
| 23:56.35 | markybob | mikes1 you dont need to save your lcd. i've never heard of an lcd having burn ins. that's plasma and crt problems |
| 23:56.46 | markybob | mikes1: if anything you should have acpi shut off your monitor when idle |
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| 23:58.16 | mikes1 | mo1991: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13110 |
| 23:58.52 | SDBolts21n56 | is there a command to stop gnome? |
| 23:58.56 | mikes1 | markybob: How di i do that in gnome I am new to the gnome? |
| 23:59.16 | mikes1 | This is not a lapy |
| 23:59.18 | markybob | mikes1 system->preferences->power management |
