| 00:00.15 | mikes1 | markybob: cheers |
| 00:00.20 | twobitsprite | SDBolts21n56: well... you can change your window manager and restart X |
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| 00:01.55 | Guerin | awesome troll on /. today |
| 00:02.11 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.45 | jjkal | Guerin, what's the troll on ? |
| 00:03.05 | Guerin | jikuty: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/10/1239216 |
| 00:03.09 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:03.14 | Guerin | jjkal: ↑ |
| 00:03.28 | Thazza | Looking for crypt supported verison of SASL2 that runs on ETCH for my postfix mail server.. can anyone help? |
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| 00:04.01 | Shaun2222 | how do you set the timezone in 4.0? |
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| 00:04.10 | sbx | what's sid? |
| 00:04.16 | markybob | Shaun2222: same way you do it in 3.1 |
| 00:04.21 | markybob | !sid |
| 00:04.22 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 00:04.24 | Guerin | sbx: a kid who breaks toys |
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| 00:04.50 | mikes1 | Sidux if one wants a stable sid |
| 00:05.02 | dondelelcaro | there's no such thing |
| 00:05.07 | mikes1 | ok ok |
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| 00:05.19 | jetscreamer | sidux is kanotix fork btw |
| 00:05.20 | Guerin | mikes1: snakeoilux |
| 00:05.22 | Omena- | cant you share /var/www with FTP Daemons? |
| 00:05.23 | Guerin | yes |
| 00:05.23 | dondelelcaro | if you want a "stable unstable" it's called "testing" |
| 00:05.29 | Omena- | you can only share Home? |
| 00:05.31 | Guerin | which is why it's broken and shit |
| 00:05.40 | mikes1 | ooh |
| 00:05.43 | Guerin | Omena-: who's stopping you? |
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| 00:05.56 | Omena- | well where do you write the shares? |
| 00:05.58 | Thazza | HELLO??????????????????????? |
| 00:06.08 | Guerin | !irritate Thazza |
| 00:06.08 | dpkg | Thazza: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 00:06.10 | mikes1 | Don't talk about buntu like that |
| 00:06.14 | mikes1 | hehe |
| 00:06.18 | Thazza | Very good. |
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| 00:06.27 | Thazza | !irritate Thazza |
| 00:06.28 | dpkg | Thazza: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 00:06.31 | Guerin | jetscreamer: your observatron is verbroken |
| 00:06.33 | pestilence | what does evolution use to play the "notify" sound? it doesn't work for me. |
| 00:06.39 | mikes1 | jetscreamer: You will love Sidux then |
| 00:06.42 | Thazza | Wasn't that nice.. Now that we have done that.. can anyone help me? |
| 00:06.50 | Guerin | Thazza: apparently not |
| 00:06.55 | mikes1 | Th |
| 00:07.06 | mikes1 | opps ok tell all Thazza |
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| 00:07.17 | Guerin | Thazza: i thought sasl actually did do crypt(), but it's years since I installed it, so wtfdik |
| 00:07.41 | Thazza | Guerin: from what i have seen, it needs a patch. |
| 00:07.46 | mikes1 | Guerin: mmm honest |
| 00:08.08 | jetscreamer | thank god i'm getting paid while i irc atm |
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| 00:08.16 | Guerin | Thazza: ok. crypted passwords are a woft anyhow |
| 00:08.19 | jetscreamer | and eat pizz |
| 00:08.21 | jetscreamer | a |
| 00:08.24 | jjkal | Guerin, what if the .safe condom bursts ? |
| 00:08.25 | Guerin | enforce tls and you obviate the need for them |
| 00:08.26 | wols | Thazza: what method do you use with sasl2? |
| 00:08.41 | dondelelcaro | Thazza: considering that it was compiled with --with-pam, it should be able to do password based crypt(); authentication. |
| 00:08.43 | Guerin | jjkal: then you .sue |
| 00:08.50 | mikes1 | jjkal: Hell I have that problem as well! |
| 00:08.50 | Omena- | what is the best FTP-Daemon for sharing /var/www |
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| 00:09.05 | mikes1 | jjkal: I have 16 kids |
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| 00:09.09 | wols | !vsftpd |
| 00:09.10 | dpkg | vsftpd is, like, a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 00:09.10 | Guerin | Omena-: ANY ftp daemon can use ANY directory |
| 00:09.11 | markybob | best ftp daemon for anything is vsftpd |
| 00:09.15 | Omena- | no they wont |
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| 00:09.22 | Omena- | wu-ftpd can only share homes |
| 00:09.23 | jjkal | mikes1, good for you ;) |
| 00:09.25 | Guerin | yes, they fuckign will |
| 00:09.27 | Omena- | unix users |
| 00:09.33 | Guerin | you just have to configure them |
| 00:09.34 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: that's just the default configuration. |
| 00:09.39 | jjkal | Omena, what are your requirements ? |
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| 00:09.47 | Omena- | i need /var/www shared |
| 00:09.49 | Guerin | jjkal: a system administrator |
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| 00:09.57 | Omena- | with FTP |
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| 00:10.05 | jjkal | Omena, ok. |
| 00:10.13 | jjkal | !ftp |
| 00:10.14 | dpkg | ftp is probably (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 00:10.17 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: so install an ftp server, and configure it to serve /var/www |
| 00:10.18 | cafuego | Then set the ftp suer's homedir to /var/www |
| 00:10.33 | Omena- | well ill do that |
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| 00:10.47 | Omena- | noi |
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| 00:10.50 | Omena- | you cannot even set that |
| 00:11.03 | cafuego | Cannot set what? |
| 00:11.12 | Thazza | wols: crypt passwords |
| 00:11.13 | Omena- | the path you wanna share |
| 00:11.15 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: yes, you can set that. We wouldn't tell you to set it if it couldn't be done. |
| 00:11.17 | markybob | Omena-: lay off the crack with the cants, man |
| 00:11.18 | Omena- | there is no option for it |
| 00:11.24 | Omena- | im reading the conf file |
| 00:11.26 | Guerin | Omena-: yes, there is. |
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| 00:11.39 | Miesco | How do I find the available midi ports? |
| 00:11.44 | cafuego | Omena-: ws-ftpd shares the homedir of the 'ftp' system user. |
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| 00:11.55 | jelly-home | !queue |
| 00:12.06 | Omena- | #anonymous-root /home/ftp |
| 00:12.19 | dondelelcaro | DING DING DING DING DING... we have a winner. |
| 00:12.25 | cafuego | Oh, you in vsftpd now? Yes. |
| 00:12.25 | Omena- | thats the onlly thig |
| 00:12.40 | Omena- | i dont want anonymous to access |
| 00:12.47 | Omena- | wu-ftpd |
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| 00:12.57 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: if you want normal users to, they already can. They just have to chdir to /var/www |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | stop using wu-ftpd :) |
| 00:13.01 | Omena- | this FTPd sux |
| 00:13.03 | cafuego | Oh, you want authenticated users to default to /var/www ? |
| 00:13.19 | Omena- | i want to be able to access /var/www somehow |
| 00:13.23 | sbx | what's sid? |
| 00:13.24 | dancek | Omena-: you can set the homedir for ftp user in /etc/passwd if that helps |
| 00:13.27 | sbx | debian sid? |
| 00:13.27 | Guerin | dossamn, you're styupid |
| 00:13.28 | Omena- | maybe username: WWW and some passwor |
| 00:13.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell sbx -about sid |
| 00:13.37 | peterS | sbx: another name for debian unstable |
| 00:13.38 | wols | someone actually uses wu-ftpd? why oh why? |
| 00:13.40 | cafuego | Omena-: Once you login, you can cd to *ANYWHERE* on the system. |
| 00:13.43 | Omena- | do i gotta make a UNIX user just for that |
| 00:13.54 | markybob | sbx: you already asked and you were answered. what's the problem? |
| 00:13.55 | jetscreamer | ya'll just did the sid thing with sbx |
| 00:13.58 | Guerin | Omena-: you gotta make a READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION |
| 00:14.02 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 00:14.08 | jetscreamer | make a read? |
| 00:14.09 | triplc | where to get debian-sarge-3.1r6 ? i search official website and several mirrors but could not find it |
| 00:14.31 | kexman | triplc, try searching some more |
| 00:14.32 | jetscreamer | make an effort and read the fucking documentation you mean, ah |
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| 00:14.59 | jetscreamer | triplc: it's oldstable now |
| 00:15.06 | jetscreamer | but readily available |
| 00:15.22 | Omena- | ok this FTPD seriosly SUX |
| 00:15.42 | mikes1 | LAPD sux |
| 00:16.03 | cafuego | Omena-: No, you expect all software to wok *exactly* like you want. That's never going to happen unless you write it yourself. |
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| 00:16.16 | jjkal | Omena-, pure-ftpd/http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/linux-ftpd |
| 00:16.18 | mikes1 | cafuego: well said |
| 00:16.18 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I just want software that woks. |
| 00:16.28 | Omena- | i want them to work like windows ftpd |
| 00:16.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: apt-get install chinese-kitchen |
| 00:16.38 | xand | !ftp must die |
| 00:16.39 | kexman | Omena-, pfff |
| 00:16.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 00:16.42 | cafuego | Omena-: Well, run windows then. |
| 00:16.46 | mikes1 | this is not the cooking channel |
| 00:16.50 | mikes1 | :) |
| 00:16.51 | jjkal | !sftp |
| 00:16.52 | dpkg | sftp is, like, a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 00:16.54 | kexman | you guys realy like to you yell ! |
| 00:16.56 | dondelelcaro | windows has an ftpd that works? |
| 00:17.18 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: no, it has IIS with a bloody big hole that says "root me now!" |
| 00:17.32 | mikes1 | dondelelcaro: $$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 00:17.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, that's the type of "work" that I'm familiar with. ;-) |
| 00:17.36 | jjkal | mikes1, so your kids troubling you ? |
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| 00:17.38 | jjkal | heh |
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| 00:18.10 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I expect what Omena- wants is an ftpd that has a single login, a non-system user, that has write access (and defaults to) /var/www. |
| 00:18.20 | Omena- | oh |
| 00:18.22 | Omena- | soudns nice |
| 00:18.30 | mikes1 | jjkal: my wife is pregnant,,"and my girl friend" :) |
| 00:18.32 | Omena- | i want that non-system stuff |
| 00:18.36 | cafuego | Omena-: If that ^^ is what you want, just add a user with /var/www as hoemdir and ftp using that account. That's *exactly* how windows does it. |
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| 00:19.07 | Omena- | like i know how to do that |
| 00:19.18 | mikes1 | I love Debian ,,Everyone united as 1000 |
| 00:19.22 | cafuego | 'adduser wwwftp', take it from there. |
| 00:19.22 | Omena- | im just gonna end up emptying my /var/www |
| 00:19.23 | mikes1 | (*_*) |
| 00:19.25 | Guerin | Omena-: you're too fucking stupid toi run a ftpd. |
| 00:19.33 | Davo_Dinkum | Would it be possible to put GNU/Linux ISO on the USB key instead of just a debian one? : http://www.au.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso |
| 00:19.44 | Omena- | i just need to have some stupid ftp to access my /var/www with FTP text editors |
| 00:19.48 | Davo_Dinkum | *any GNU/Linux ISO |
| 00:19.50 | mikes1 | Guerin: c'mon say how yo feel'n |
| 00:19.52 | cafuego | Davo_Dinkum: No, gnewsense only. |
| 00:19.53 | unlink | when i start banshee, i get the following crash: http://trevorcaira.com/banshee.txt |
| 00:19.59 | Guerin | Davo_Dinkum: don't see why not |
| 00:20.01 | unlink | i just installed it and have never used it before |
| 00:20.31 | cafuego | Omena-: log in using ftp, then do 'cd /var/www' - it *really* not hard. |
| 00:20.42 | mikecc | anyone know in gimp how to make an image black and white high contrast? |
| 00:21.04 | dondelelcaro | mikes1: adjust the curves and make the curve more steep |
| 00:21.04 | markybob | unlink: install with apt-get instead ? |
| 00:21.07 | cafuego | mikes1: Yup. Chnage mode to grayscale, then tweak the brightness/contrast. |
| 00:21.29 | cafuego | mikes1: *or* change the mode to 1 bit GIF :-) |
| 00:22.10 | unlink | markybob: as opposed to what? |
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| 00:22.21 | mikes1 | Hmm Can the "gimp" make my wife look pretty,,"photoshop crapped" |
| 00:22.22 | wookienz | hi, i am installing linux on a laptop, is there any linux commands to run from CLI that will make my laptop fan run fulltime, it keeps heating up and turning off. |
| 00:22.25 | dondelelcaro | (all increasing contrast is is pulling greys towards white and black, and modifying the curve is the easiest way to do that) |
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| 00:22.40 | dondelelcaro | (well, not easiest, but most flexible) |
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| 00:23.00 | Davo_Dinkum | cafuego: .| |
| 00:23.02 | cowbud | can someone here show me what they have in debian-log-rotate.conf I seem to not have that file.. |
| 00:23.15 | cowbud | that is /etc/mysql/debian-log-rotate.conf so you will have to have mysql installed |
| 00:23.18 | jjkal | i've got this funny font called penguin attack.... hahahaha!!! whoa!! hahah.. pretty nice |
| 00:23.22 | mikes1 | lol |
| 00:23.22 | jjkal | hahah |
| 00:23.34 | mikes1 | classic |
| 00:23.35 | jjkal | :) |
| 00:23.42 | jelly-home | unreadable, too! |
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| 00:23.48 | jjkal | does anyone use it besides me and mikes1 ? |
| 00:23.53 | jjkal | jelly-home, not really |
| 00:24.02 | zinx_ | mikes1: wth are you even talking about? |
| 00:24.06 | jelly-home | ya rly |
| 00:24.12 | jjkal | jelly-home, size 16 |
| 00:24.14 | jjkal | haha |
| 00:24.16 | jjkal | nice |
| 00:24.17 | jjkal | :) |
| 00:24.35 | Omena- | btw are there any nice Source Code editors for terminal? |
| 00:24.44 | Guerin | Davo_Dinkum: please don't message me. And no, I don't. |
| 00:24.49 | jelly-home | jjkal: I want at least 80x25 characters to fit on the screen! |
| 00:24.55 | \amethyst | Omena-: vim and (x)emacs |
| 00:24.56 | Guerin | !aolify Omena- |
| 00:24.56 | wols | Omena-: emacs, vi,... |
| 00:24.59 | Davo_Dinkum | Guerin: OK sorry |
| 00:25.03 | cowbud | bleh |
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| 00:25.09 | \amethyst | Omena-: Others too, but those are the two most popular |
| 00:25.17 | jjkal | jelly-home, your best bet is monospace |
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| 00:25.41 | Omena- | but those wont even get close to the GUI editors that have mouse? |
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| 00:25.49 | jelly-home | jjkal: I've paid for Tahoma, an' I'm using it! |
| 00:25.56 | \amethyst | Omena-: What do you mean by "get close to"? |
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| 00:26.04 | jjkal | jelly-home, haha.. fine. whatever suits you |
| 00:26.11 | jjkal | ;) |
| 00:26.13 | triplc | i use ftp as a read-only fileserver for students in this school and it works so fast, must faster than things like windows file share, etc. etc. |
| 00:26.14 | dondelelcaro | you'll be hard pressed to find an editor that is superior to emacs or vi |
| 00:26.15 | Omena- | you know like are not nearly as good as |
| 00:26.18 | wols | Omena-: and what is a mouse good for when entering text? choosing letters from a on screen keyboard? |
| 00:26.34 | Omena- | choosing the place where you wanna type |
| 00:26.37 | cafuego | use nano, it's easy, has a flat learning curve. |
| 00:26.38 | Omena- | and painting text |
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| 00:26.55 | Miesco | How come the ports I make with timidity -iA only work sometimes? |
| 00:26.56 | wols | cafuego: best answer possible for him I guess |
| 00:26.58 | svara | hey.. where can i configure the small system statisitcs tray applets in icewm? they seem to be handled in some default way by debian, but i can't find the config file... |
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| 00:27.09 | \amethyst | Omena-: You're probably not going to be using the mouse at the console (emacs might have gpm support) |
| 00:27.20 | Omena- | i kno |
| 00:27.29 | \amethyst | Omena-: But they both have code-complete, syntax highlighting, auto-indent, ... |
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| 00:27.38 | \amethyst | Omena-: Jump to function definition.. |
| 00:29.42 | dondelelcaro | a mouse gets in the way of editing text. You have two hands, not three. If your hands leave the keyboard while using your editor, you're not being efficient. |
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| 00:29.42 | jelly-home | my keyboard has the mouse embeded |
| 00:29.42 | Omena- | mine does not have syntax hilighting |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | you still have to leave the home keys |
| 00:29.42 | timewriter | are there any other mirrors to add in /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 00:29.42 | \amethyst | Omena-: your what? |
| 00:29.43 | wols | folks, I doubt he wants a unixish editor like emacs or vi |
| 00:29.43 | wols | Omena-: look into fte |
| 00:29.43 | Omena- | emacs |
| 00:29.43 | jjkal | Omena-, if I were you, i'd go for vi or it's better part vim/gvim |
| 00:29.43 | wols | that is more like a editor you know I guess |
| 00:29.43 | abrotman | wols: i use vi on win32 :) |
| 00:29.43 | jjkal | vi rocks! |
| 00:29.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: right... all the way to betwwen g, h and b! |
| 00:29.43 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: emacs has syntax hilighting. |
| 00:29.43 | phogg | netstat -l | grep ssh # this returns only a tcp6 connection. Does that mean it's a IPv6 connection? Is ssh not listening on IPv4? Why does it work anyway? |
| 00:29.44 | Omena- | dont liik like it |
| 00:29.44 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: then use something else. |
| 00:29.44 | wols | abrotman: you don't count. you're well known to be crazy |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: i have a TP liek that and an M20 like that :) |
| 00:29.44 | taigeR_ | hi |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | wols: STOP SPREADING THE TRUTH! |
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| 00:29.45 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:29.45 | Omena- | how do you quit emacs |
| 00:29.45 | taigeR_ | that's a secret |
| 00:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: C-x C-c |
| 00:29.45 | \amethyst | ctrl-x ctrl-c |
| 00:29.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: I only know M16, is M20 an improved version? |
| 00:29.45 | wols | abrotman: but then I'd have to make up some believable lies. that's just too much work. |
| 00:29.45 | Miesco | How do I see what programs is using my sound card? |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: the clicky keyboard |
| 00:29.45 | w0jtas` | how recover files on ext3 ? filetypes: .php .tpl .html .jpg .png |
| 00:29.56 | wols | w0jtas`: you were told before. asking several times won't change the answer |
| 00:29.58 | dondelelcaro | w0jtas`: you put in the backup tape and restore them |
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| 00:30.16 | wols | Miesco: man lsof |
| 00:30.19 | phogg | w0jtas`: there's an undelete command for ext2, with any other fs you're probably screwed. |
| 00:30.23 | jjkal | w0jtas`, you're out of luck here. |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: probably some on ebay .. let me find a link |
| 00:30.33 | Guerin | w0jtas`: try photorec/testdisk |
| 00:30.36 | Guerin | but yeah |
| 00:30.37 | w0jtas` | wols: it must by way ;] |
| 00:30.41 | Guerin | very probably fux0red |
| 00:30.43 | w0jtas` | :/ |
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| 00:30.51 | jjkal | !recover |
| 00:30.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:30.55 | w0jtas` | i should change partition to ext2 yea ? |
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| 00:31.05 | \amethyst | No, that won't recover the data |
| 00:31.08 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: with your level of knowledge, your best bet is to pay someone to recover whatever is possible |
| 00:31.09 | w0jtas` | i know |
| 00:31.12 | wols | w0jtas`: all the answers you just got you've gotten before. I know cause I've read them all before |
| 00:31.19 | w0jtas` | but for next time |
| 00:31.26 | timewriter | how do i add the non-free repository to the source.list ? |
| 00:31.27 | \amethyst | w0jtas`: Make backups for next time |
| 00:31.35 | \amethyst | w0jtas`: ext2 undelete doesn't always work |
| 00:31.39 | wols | !tell timewriter about non-free |
| 00:31.42 | w0jtas` | ok ;] |
| 00:31.50 | timewriter | !non-free |
| 00:31.50 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 00:31.58 | phogg | w0jtas`: undeleting on journaling filesystems is unlikely to ever work unless the filesystem tries to make it easy. You're in forensics land here. |
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| 00:32.07 | timewriter | H I V ? |
| 00:32.10 | timewriter | no no , not me |
| 00:32.13 | timewriter | not me |
| 00:32.19 | w0jtas` | i was writing backup script but i wasn't look what i do and i removed important folder which i wanted backup :P |
| 00:32.30 | dancek | Omena-: if you want a powerful editor its definitely vim or emacs. If you want something easier, jed might be an option. |
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| 00:32.34 | Guerin | timewriter: thanks for sharing |
| 00:32.42 | zizban | in Etch, how do I reconfigure the X Server? it only sets up as vesa |
| 00:32.43 | timewriter | :) |
| 00:32.50 | Guerin | timewriter: perhaps you need to get in touch with http://elsasser.org/~zac/sassnet/sass/wowhore.png |
| 00:33.00 | phogg | jed. joe. nano. zile. These all appear to be popular. |
| 00:33.02 | mikes1 | timewriter: i had H I V on the weekend but feel better now :) |
| 00:33.03 | timewriter | thanks but no thanks |
| 00:33.05 | wols | !tell zizban about drxx |
| 00:33.11 | timewriter | mikes1 yes i had that too |
| 00:33.14 | timewriter | but its ok |
| 00:33.16 | wols | zizban: what videochip is it? |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: sorry .. M13 |
| 00:33.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://www.clickykeyboard.com/pics/modelm-009.jpg |
| 00:33.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: ak47? |
| 00:33.30 | timewriter | i will build the ati drivers from the ati-installer |
| 00:33.34 | zizban | its an old tnt riva |
| 00:33.35 | timewriter | i dont want to use the non-free repos |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm going crazy .. it's okay |
| 00:33.44 | zizban | thanks for that tip, I'll try it |
| 00:33.57 | wols | timewriter: and what have you gained then? it's both unfree software |
| 00:34.09 | timewriter | but non=free is evil |
| 00:34.16 | timewriter | evil council are french |
| 00:34.24 | wols | so is any software offered by ati: it'S non free too |
| 00:34.26 | jelly-home | timewriter: stupidity is evil |
| 00:34.41 | timewriter | how do you know that |
| 00:34.52 | Guerin | ah, it's that time again |
| 00:35.02 | wols | Guerin: sunday? |
| 00:35.02 | Guerin | to find a not-shit webmail package |
| 00:35.10 | wols | Guerin: good luck |
| 00:35.16 | Guerin | wols: yeah, i know |
| 00:35.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: WOW, I didn't know they made clicky keyboards with trackpoints! |
| 00:35.20 | markybob | Guerin: gmail for your domain? :) |
| 00:35.26 | wols | lessee.. roundcube, horde, squirrelmail. any more takers? |
| 00:35.27 | zizban | thanks all |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: they don't anymore :) |
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| 00:35.34 | Omena- | jed seems nice |
| 00:35.35 | wols | markybob: he said "non shit" |
| 00:35.35 | jelly-home | bugger |
| 00:35.44 | Guerin | markybob: haha |
| 00:36.39 | markybob | wols: how clever |
| 00:36.39 | Omena- | damn |
| 00:36.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: you can still get them online |
| 00:36.39 | Omena- | it does not support {} |
| 00:36.39 | Guerin | wols: horde and squirrel are php, and are therefore shit |
| 00:36.40 | Omena- | autotabbing |
| 00:36.40 | wols | I think roundcube too, no? |
| 00:36.40 | markybob | Guerin: is hula still going? that looked nice last i looked at it |
| 00:36.40 | timewriter | looooool |
| 00:36.40 | timewriter | ive inserted the Ice Age dvd |
| 00:36.40 | timewriter | hahaha |
| 00:36.44 | timewriter | instead of netinstall cd |
| 00:36.57 | wols | timewriter: can you come back when you're sober? |
| 00:36.58 | Guerin | yes, roundcube also appears to be in php |
| 00:37.08 | timewriter | sorry |
| 00:37.10 | timewriter | im sober |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: there's one on ebay now |
| 00:37.19 | timewriter | can u call me Sid ? |
| 00:37.23 | wols | timewriter: you could have fooled anybody |
| 00:37.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: 290103601783 |
| 00:37.31 | timewriter | :P |
| 00:37.32 | wols | we can call you moron if you want |
| 00:37.40 | phogg | why does netstat -l list ssh only on tcp6, not tcp? Does that mean it's not listening on ipv4? |
| 00:37.42 | timewriter | call me manana |
| 00:37.47 | wols | !moron timewriter |
| 00:37.48 | dpkg | timewriter: You are moron #97 |
| 00:37.54 | timewriter | thanks |
| 00:37.58 | timewriter | can i be m0r0n ? |
| 00:38.21 | phogg | !nickometer m0r0n |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | no .. he was here earlier |
| 00:38.23 | dpkg | 'm0r0n' is 99.780% lame, phogg |
| 00:38.25 | phogg | timewriter: no |
| 00:38.35 | timewriter | :( |
| 00:38.51 | Omena- | jesu |
| 00:38.59 | Omena- | these text based editors really suck |
| 00:39.04 | timewriter | vi rocks |
| 00:39.10 | Omena- | no autotabbing or syntax hilight |
| 00:39.19 | phogg | Omena-: you lie! |
| 00:39.27 | jjkal | timewriter, that's the way to go |
| 00:39.31 | mikes1 | "non fre 'is ok |
| 00:39.36 | phogg | Omena-: jed does syntax highlighting, and of course emacs can be configured to do so if you like. |
| 00:39.38 | mikes1 | +e |
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| 00:39.39 | Omena- | Crimson Editor FTW |
| 00:39.46 | xand | what do i have to do to enable password(?) authentication by ssh? since I upgraded from sarge to etch i can only login using keys |
| 00:39.57 | Omena- | thats like the most best editor ever made |
| 00:39.58 | phogg | Omena-: and emacs definitely does indentation, if you configure it to do so., |
| 00:40.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'd probably pay another $40 shipping, going to wait if one comes up already overseas |
| 00:40.06 | Omena- | but the FTP does not work |
| 00:40.11 | Omena- | FTP-Reading |
| 00:40.12 | jjkal | Omena-, get over it |
| 00:40.15 | xand | it doesn't even ask for the password |
| 00:40.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: at least you know they exist :) |
| 00:40.25 | jelly-home | that's something |
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| 00:40.44 | Guerin | markybob: apparently not |
| 00:40.46 | Wyzard | xand: There's a PasswordAuthentication directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but it's on by default |
| 00:41.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: though I'm used to soft keys, been trained on a Commodore 128 |
| 00:41.07 | jjkal | Omena-, if you just knew ``Google" it would be much much easier for you |
| 00:41.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: cry baby! |
| 00:41.15 | timewriter | cross my fingers |
| 00:41.18 | Omena- | how do you access emacs options |
| 00:41.36 | xand | Wyzard: it's set to "no" and that's the default |
| 00:41.48 | phogg | Omena-: edit ~/.emacs |
| 00:41.55 | abrotman | xand: i think that's a debconf question |
| 00:42.04 | timewriter | well |
| 00:42.05 | xand | Wyzard: but it's also set to "no" on another machine and it works fine there with it "no" |
| 00:42.06 | timewriter | im done |
| 00:42.12 | phogg | Omena-: or, from within emacs, try: CTRL+h t |
| 00:42.16 | timewriter | very sexy way of installing ati drivers |
| 00:42.35 | Omena- | horrible |
| 00:42.44 | timewriter | reboot |
| 00:42.46 | xand | I think I want "keyboard-interactive" authentcation? |
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| 00:42.52 | phogg | xand: yes |
| 00:43.01 | xand | how do i enable that? |
| 00:43.06 | Wyzard | xand: man sshd_config |
| 00:43.10 | Wyzard | xand: and look for "UsePAM" |
| 00:43.12 | phogg | Omena-: like anything truly powerful... it's good when you're familiar with it |
| 00:43.18 | Omena- | ok im stuck |
| 00:43.22 | Omena- | emacs wont close down |
| 00:43.24 | Omena- | with ctrl c |
| 00:43.27 | nite613 | !nvidia |
| 00:43.27 | dpkg | nvidia is probably Ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a fast answer on 'how to install the Nvidia drivers'; for a long guide - see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 00:43.37 | Omena- | thats it |
| 00:43.43 | Omena- | im burrying htat shti forver |
| 00:43.45 | dancek | is it safe to use zsh as default shell for root? |
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| 00:44.08 | pipeline | dancek: Yes. Debian doesn't carry a statically-compiled shell around anyway, so you would need a rescue disc if it caeme to that. |
| 00:44.09 | phogg | Omena-: CTRL+x CTRL+c |
| 00:44.25 | Asymmetry | I'm having trouble getting VNC to function in Debian. |
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| 00:44.57 | zinx_ | pipeline: there's one installable |
| 00:45.02 | phogg | Omena-: *my* text editor is an interactive command shell in which all things are possible. Yours is inferior by nature. |
| 00:45.06 | Asymmetry | I've tried starting it, and it says that a display was created, but I can't connect to it, and the logfile is empty. |
| 00:45.10 | zinx_ | pipeline: busybox-static |
| 00:45.13 | SDBolts21n56 | can you run more then one DM? |
| 00:45.23 | zinx_ | pipeline: 'course, you have to already have it installed :D |
| 00:46.53 | jelly-home | zinx_: there's more than one! sash, zsh-static, etc |
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| 00:46.57 | xand | ok, answer is "ChallengeResponseAuthentication" setting |
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| 00:47.43 | dancek | pipeline: thought so. thanks |
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| 00:48.03 | pipeline | haha, static zsh. |
| 00:48.06 | pipeline | so that's what, 40M? :D |
| 00:48.15 | xand | tonyb0001: stop that |
| 00:48.15 | jelly-home | !info zsh-static etch |
| 00:48.20 | xand | ffs |
| 00:48.35 | dpkg | zsh-static: (A shell with lots of features (static link)), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.3.2-25 (etch), Packaged size: 711 kB, Installed size: 1468 kB |
| 00:48.54 | tonyb2006 | lol other mes |
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| 00:50.00 | balman | had a problem with login to kdm. the system always returns me to the login screen. this was traced to user privilege problem becos i can login as root. the q is, what is the proper user privilege and how to set it right again? |
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| 00:50.34 | xand | balman: can you login as another account? maybe the profile is broken |
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| 00:51.10 | balman | xand, yes, i had tried that and i had rm and reload ~/.kde fr a backup. |
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| 00:52.31 | Supaplex | balman: did the other user have the same issue? |
| 00:52.42 | concept10 | are the debian packages mirrors out of sync? it looks like apt is trying to downgrade some packages/ |
| 00:52.46 | balman | Supaplex, yes, same login problem. |
| 00:52.51 | xand | concept10: could be. |
| 00:53.16 | dondelelcaro | apt will never downgrade packages |
| 00:53.18 | balman | Supaplex, only root can login properly. |
| 00:53.31 | dondelelcaro | (unless you've specifically told it to) |
| 00:53.34 | Supaplex | !downgrade |
| 00:53.35 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 00:54.32 | Supaplex | balman: if you switch to a terminal, login as the user, stop kdm (as root), and try startx, does it run? |
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| 00:55.42 | balman | Supaplex, can give it a try but i can do console login without any problem. |
| 00:55.51 | \amethyst | Better to use aptitude install package=version than dpkg --force-downgrade -i. At least aptitude will check dependencies |
| 00:56.12 | concept10 | Okay, my mistake. I was suffering from tired eyes My current version is 7.0-122+1etch2 . its trying to upgrade to -219. I was thinking that was 119. I still have my repos on testing. |
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| 00:57.04 | timewriter | x crashed again :( |
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| 00:57.42 | balman | Supaplex, i think this is privilege problem, i had this problem before and it was fixed this way but i can't recall exactly how. |
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| 00:58.19 | abrotman | you should have errors in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:58.20 | tux | hi can i get some help please? |
| 00:58.39 | timewriter | i see some errors in the log |
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| 00:58.49 | timewriter | failed to load module flgrx ( loader failed ) |
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| 00:59.31 | tux | i would like to uninstall debian and install puppy linux, how can i do that, also how do i change my theme on puppy linux? thanks for your help |
| 00:59.42 | balman | Supaplex, this may be useful info. the last i did before the system went haywire was remote rsync. |
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| 01:00.31 | abrotman | tux: ask #puppylinux |
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| 01:01.13 | mfrisch | puppylinux oh no. |
| 01:01.16 | tux | maybe you can help abrotman do you know how the package manager works on puppy? the pet get |
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| 01:01.33 | abrotman | tux: ask #puppylinux |
| 01:01.38 | mfrisch | abrotman: please tell me this is for kids. |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | no . it's real |
| 01:01.55 | mfrisch | pet get! |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=puppy |
| 01:02.13 | k3nman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.22 | abrotman | k3nman: time to change your password |
| 01:02.29 | k3nman | oops |
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| 01:02.33 | jelly-home | should be kitty get |
| 01:02.39 | imacpr0n | Puppy is an interesting distro, but why are you asking about it here instead of on #puppylinux? |
| 01:03.07 | Insolit | are there alternative to security.debian.org? |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | no |
| 01:03.35 | Insolit | is it true there was a fire in servers room? |
| 01:03.45 | tux | well i asked answers in the puppy channel but no responses so i just looked for a big room with tons of people , better odds that way |
| 01:03.48 | Muffin | Hello...I'm getting "Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/... MD5Sum mismatch" errors. Have I missed a key upgrade? |
| 01:03.50 | jelly-home | I think there was a single mirror for security.d.o? |
| 01:04.27 | imacpr0n | Where did you lose your glasses? Over there, under the bridge. Then why are you looking for them here? Light's better. |
| 01:04.30 | balman | 'ETCH IS RELEASED'. does that mean 'etch' has become 'stable' in place of 'sarge'? |
| 01:04.36 | Wyzard | balman: yes |
| 01:05.35 | tux | whats etch, can i get a "pet" package for it? |
| 01:05.36 | balman | Wyzard, only stable will be a released version, not testing or unstable? |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: host ? |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: i get three hosts |
| 01:05.56 | Wyzard | balman: stable == release |
| 01:06.06 | mfrisch | if I used a old installer for etch from testing and keep up todate is official etch? |
| 01:06.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh, rr dns works too I guess |
| 01:06.48 | Wyzard | balman: testing and unstable are sometimes referred to as "releases" in a different sense of the word, but stable releases are the ones that get version numbers and official CD images and security support |
| 01:07.01 | jelly-home | tux: you're in the wrong place, this is a debian support channel |
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| 01:07.34 | mfrisch | ha ha whats etch, can i get a "pet" package for it? |
| 01:08.03 | igogo | If I want to have /boot alone, how much space should I assign to /boot ? |
| 01:08.08 | zenbum | tux: #ubuntu is bigger... go there |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | zenbum: please don't do that |
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| 01:08.56 | abrotman | igogo: 50MB maybe ? ... my current /boot/ is 26MB |
| 01:08.57 | jelly-home | igogo: depends on how many kernel do you plan to keep, a common number is 100MB |
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| 01:09.01 | hatter | igogo: i ahve 100mb on my servers, plenty |
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| 01:09.20 | igogo | hatter: for /boot only ? |
| 01:09.25 | igogo | hatter: ok, thank you |
| 01:09.26 | mfrisch | igogo: use ext2 |
| 01:09.29 | hatter | igogo: yes |
| 01:09.30 | Wyzard | igogo: I use 50MB for /boot, which is more than enough typically but it gives me some room in case I want to have several kernels or something, for troubleshooting or whatever |
| 01:09.55 | hatter | mfrisch: ext2 ? |
| 01:09.57 | igogo | Wyzard: ya, I'm also consider about this |
| 01:09.57 | Supaplex | disk space is cheap. |
| 01:10.05 | Wyzard | I use ext3 for /boot -- I see no reason why journaling would be undesirable, and it's not like I need the extra little bit of disk space |
| 01:10.07 | mfrisch | no journal |
| 01:10.09 | hatter | mfrisch: why would anyone use ext2 ? |
| 01:10.22 | dark_light | 100mb isn't that much these days. anyway, i have 33mb on /boot, with only two kernels |
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| 01:10.27 | timewriter | ok its sorted |
| 01:10.37 | timewriter | libstdc++5 reinstall needed |
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| 01:10.40 | Supaplex | I have a 256mb CF card for /boot so all my disks can join software raid. the cf card in theory should outlast any mechanical disk. |
| 01:10.43 | timewriter | then recompile de kernel |
| 01:11.07 | mfrisch | hatter: I have heard a journal is overkill for /boot you can always add it |
| 01:11.13 | CaT[tm] | hatter: usb sticks actually. you want to minimise writes to the stick to make it last longer. it does mean you have to be more careful though. |
| 01:11.52 | Supaplex | hatter: my cf card on /boot is rarely accessed. the flash media should last me a long time. =) |
| 01:12.14 | hatter | CaT[tm]: right, theres a good reason, though care as you say |
| 01:12.16 | Wyzard | mfrisch: The journal is unnecessary but harmless |
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| 01:13.12 | Wyzard | Supaplex: I just made a small partition at the beginning of each of my disks for /boot, and a second partition which fills the entire disk and is used for the RAID |
| 01:13.36 | CaT[tm] | hatter: a postgres developer uses ext2 for the db when running on battery backed up raid as postgres basically does its own journalling. |
| 01:13.40 | pipeline | hatter, CaT[tm], Supaplex : Flash memory is much more durable than it used to be. Minimizing writes is a non-issue |
| 01:13.54 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I got one but I know I don't need it. |
| 01:14.06 | pipeline | CaT[tm], hatter : It's foolish to ever use ext2. ext3 is just a much "smarter" driver. |
| 01:14.08 | Muffin | ...no suggestions on an MD5Sum mismatch? Will it just go away? |
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| 01:15.11 | CaT[tm] | pipeline: barring journalling they're effectively the same. |
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| 01:16.57 | jelly-home | pipeline: ext2 has undelete. |
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| 01:18.19 | Supaplex | yeah, but flash is slow. it's just a convienent option. |
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| 01:18.29 | pipeline | CaT[tm]: The on-disk format is exactly the same. The drivers are totally different. |
| 01:18.34 | igogo | w |
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| 01:21.34 | \amethyst | pipeline: ext3 is a superset of ext2 |
| 01:21.36 | h00t | can someone pls tell me what in a package forces aptitude to include it in an kde or gnome menu ... i constatnly get in a situation where software has to be started from commnad line ... how can i search the menu for items |
| 01:22.15 | dondelelcaro | h00t: packages call update-menu to install entries into the Debian menu. What WM do with the Debian menu is up to them |
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| 01:23.01 | dondelelcaro | s/update-/install-/ |
| 01:23.03 | squisher | Hi, does anyone know how I can get the DNS configuration out of my dhclient, when I have configured resolvconf to not use that information? |
| 01:23.09 | mfrisch | h00t: there is update-menus but if the new program is not in your path it won't find them |
| 01:23.09 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.50 | dondelelcaro | squisher: it should be in the leases file |
| 01:24.00 | pipeline | \amethyst: The code is not. |
| 01:24.06 | squisher | dondelelcaro: thanks, let me check |
| 01:24.06 | pipeline | \amethyst: The disk format is not. |
| 01:24.11 | pipeline | \amethyst: So I don't know what portion IS |
| 01:25.07 | squisher | dondelelcaro: yup, there it is. Thanks! |
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| 01:25.55 | timewriter | the videocard cooler has a higher speed than it has in windows |
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| 01:26.52 | n3kl | Is there an easy way to change the all filenames in a directory to upper case? |
| 01:27.21 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -print0|xargs -0 rename '$_=uc($_)' |
| 01:27.31 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: man find xargs rename; |
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| 01:29.03 | \amethyst | pipeline: I thought the on-disk format for ext3 was ext2 + optional journal + hash-tree directories |
| 01:29.14 | squisher | Hmm, anyone a clue why my /etc/hosts file is not used? I have hosts: files dns in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 01:29.20 | \amethyst | I know the drivers are different |
| 01:30.21 | \amethyst | squisher: what's the entry in your /etc/hosts that's not working |
| 01:30.59 | squisher | an entry for a webpage that just changed ips, but my ISPs DNS is not up to date yet |
| 01:31.23 | squisher | \amethyst: if I 'ping hostname', I get the address that my DNS server has, not what I put in /etc/hosts |
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| 01:32.54 | wols_ | squisher: what is in your /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 01:33.09 | wols_ | should be a line like hosts: files dns mdns |
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| 01:33.15 | squisher | wols_: hosts: files dns |
| 01:33.52 | wols_ | that looks alright |
| 01:34.51 | squisher | even if I put a dummy entry in my hosts file, for a domain that doesn't exist, it doesn't resolv |
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| 01:36.06 | \amethyst | squisher: what does the entry look like? |
| 01:37.23 | dondelelcaro | squisher: how are you testing for it to resolve? |
| 01:37.30 | squisher | \amethyst: 1.2.3.4 www.test1.com |
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| 01:37.37 | squisher | dondelelcaro: hosts and ping |
| 01:37.48 | mot_ | how exactly do i install beryl in debian? |
| 01:37.50 | mot_ | apt-get install beryl doesn't work |
| 01:37.53 | dondelelcaro | squisher: host; will not work. only ping will. |
| 01:37.54 | mot_ | and the install wiki on beryl-project.org is in friggin' french |
| 01:38.12 | squisher | dondelelcaro: hmm, I could have sworn ping didn't work a moment ago, but now it does |
| 01:38.26 | mot_ | anyone? |
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| 01:39.34 | squisher | mot_: I remember looking at some installation instructions there, you should double check |
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| 01:40.05 | mot_ | i'm staring at them |
| 01:40.06 | mot_ | they're in french |
| 01:40.08 | mot_ | .... |
| 01:40.14 | \amethyst | mot_: learn French :) |
| 01:40.19 | mot_ | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 01:40.32 | mot_ | nah not interested. |
| 01:41.18 | squisher | mot_: check older revisions, I think only the last one has the wrong language |
| 01:41.32 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 01:41.32 | dpkg | somebody said beryl was probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 01:41.53 | mot_ | how do i change the revision? |
| 01:42.19 | \amethyst | mot_: click on history, or http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php?title=Install_Beryl_on_Debian&oldid=5871 |
| 01:42.20 | nihraguk | is there any way i can troubleshoot pam by getting it to be more verbose in its logging? or something? |
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| 01:42.34 | \amethyst | mot_: the last three edits changed it to French |
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| 01:42.57 | jjkal | nihraguk, no tommy lee's already done that |
| 01:43.20 | balman | in the permission setting for a dir, what is the significance of 'set uid' or 'set gid' ? |
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| 01:44.22 | mot_ | awesome |
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| 01:44.33 | mot_ | why did somebody change it to french? =\ that's pretty obnoxious |
| 01:44.33 | zenbum | all executable files should be owned by root and setuid.... just kidding |
| 01:45.03 | jelly-home | isn't French, ze language of looove |
| 01:45.16 | jjkal | balman, it simply means that if a folder has setuid bit on, a user will have the same priviledge on the dir as a root would. setgid bit on then a a group instead. |
| 01:45.19 | squisher | balman: just do 'info chmod' or google for it :) |
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| 01:45.40 | mot_ | jelly-home: actually, listening to french gets quite annoying after a while. |
| 01:45.48 | mot_ | and this is coming from a guy who speaks arabic, turkish, german and russian. |
| 01:46.08 | squisher | mot_: I think that's true about any language you don't understand |
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| 01:46.14 | mot_ | not at all |
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| 01:46.23 | zenbum | gnu sux... they can't even write a proper man page for chmod |
| 01:46.24 | mot_ | i grew up and went to an international school - i'm used to hearing languages i don't understand |
| 01:46.39 | mot_ | none of them bother me, french just has a very irritating ring to it after a while. |
| 01:46.42 | jjkal | zenbum, you can write one up. ;) just kidding. |
| 01:46.53 | balman | jjkal, thks. |
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| 01:47.00 | \amethyst | zenbum: They don't believe in man pages |
| 01:47.30 | zenbum | info needs to go away |
| 01:47.42 | CaT[tm] | info must, indeed, die. |
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| 01:47.57 | jelly-home | mot_: eh, maybe for you only. I have no problems watching movies in French (basically my only experience with the language) |
| 01:48.00 | squisher | they both suck... man is too limited, but easy to use, info is a pain to use, but more powerful. |
| 01:48.24 | zenbum | man is perfect for figuring out what chmod does |
| 01:48.33 | CaT[tm] | the ease-of-use of man wins out imo. |
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| 01:49.15 | squisher | I use man usually too, but that doesn't mean I think it sucks ;) |
| 01:49.22 | maddash | errr |
| 01:49.24 | maddash | !wwer |
| 01:49.27 | Steven_M1 | hi all |
| 01:49.34 | CaT[tm] | it has its issues. it still wins out though :) |
| 01:49.34 | maddash | where's dpkg? |
| 01:49.37 | jelly-home | !test |
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| 01:49.51 | dondelelcaro | it's box is being upgraded |
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| 01:50.08 | zenbum | poor dpkg... they make him live in a box |
| 01:50.15 | jelly-home | her! |
| 01:50.28 | jjkal | zenbum, we all live in a box. |
| 01:50.58 | CaT[tm] | sucks if your box has monkies. |
| 01:51.04 | zenbum | not me... I am the Box Maker |
| 01:51.42 | maddash | how unstable is lenny? |
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| 01:52.23 | jjkal | zenbum, you didn't get me. since you create a box, you have to think like you are living inside a box. Then only you can design better box. ;) |
| 01:52.26 | jelly-home | Am I living in a cardboard box? |
| 01:52.31 | maddash | !come back |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | more like a glass jar |
| 01:52.48 | Steven_M1 | does anyone here use xscreensaver? |
| 01:52.49 | jelly-home | ~test |
| 01:52.52 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 01:52.56 | zenbum | maddash: I'm using it now.... seems fine for a simple desktop |
| 01:53.14 | imacpr0n | "Retreiving file 678 of 679". I may get to see Debian 4.0 before sleep tonight |
| 01:53.26 | jjkal | yey! |
| 01:53.30 | jjkal | :)P |
| 01:54.04 | HomeRoey | "...and miles to go before I sleep..." |
| 01:54.27 | Insolit | anyone knows what i need to install to solve "/lib/tls/libc.so.6: version 'GLIBC_2.4' not found" |
| 01:54.41 | imacpr0n | She's a 3 hour drive away. It'll probably be done before then |
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| 01:54.51 | jelly-home | Insolit: presumably libc6 >= 2.4 |
| 01:54.57 | BUMBACL0T | how do you upgrade correctly? |
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| 01:55.22 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: you read the release notes |
| 01:55.25 | Wyzard | BUMBACL0T: Read the release notes, and use aptitude |
| 01:55.42 | Insolit | problem is that installing version 2.4 forces the removal of many other stuff |
| 01:56.11 | jelly-home | Insolit: or rebuild your third party app from source |
| 01:56.50 | Insolit | ok |
| 01:56.52 | Insolit | thnks |
| 01:56.55 | Insolit | ill try that then |
| 01:58.01 | jelly-home | Insolit: I don't even know where you found libc6 2.4... I see one single version in all of the stable, testing and unstable (and 2.5 in experimental) |
| 01:58.12 | Insolit | indeed |
| 01:58.14 | Insolit | same here |
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| 02:00.28 | imacpr0n | yay! dl done. install proceeding |
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| 02:04.37 | h00t | .............. |
| 02:05.52 | balman | would 'set uid' normally be set or clear for dirs under '/'? |
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| 02:06.59 | jelly-home | balman: usually clear |
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| 02:07.32 | balman | jelly-home, thks. |
| 02:07.44 | dos000 | For some reason I am unable to start the asterisk deamon using an init script in sarge. The init script uses the start-stop-deamon. However runnignt from the command line seems ok. it just wheni use start stop that it does not run |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | errors ? |
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| 02:10.36 | dos000 | abrotman: i get no errors at all |
| 02:11.06 | squisher | dos000: run a 'sh -x', you'll see what it exactly does |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | if you run the script yourself ? |
| 02:11.13 | dos000 | abrotman: i tried to use bash -x |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | does anything print out ? |
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| 02:11.37 | dos000 | squisher: just runs it .. no output is generated |
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| 02:12.09 | squisher | dos000: sorry, sh -x /etc/init.d/asterisk of course.. but you said you already tried it, right? |
| 02:12.16 | dos000 | i even checked syslogs .. nada |
| 02:12.25 | dos000 | squisher: yes indeed |
| 02:12.56 | squisher | dos000: if you run what I just told you, you should be seeing every line executed in the shell script... if you don't see any output at all, then something really weird |
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| 02:14.11 | abrotman | TF! |
| 02:14.20 | thingfish | heh hey abrotman |
| 02:14.32 | dos000 | abrotman: squisher: http://pastebin.ca/433904 |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | thingfish: how's life? |
| 02:15.04 | thingfish | abrotman: too busy on this end. How about for you? |
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| 02:15.25 | abrotman | busy bee!!!!!! |
| 02:15.35 | thingfish | you said it |
| 02:15.49 | thingfish | I never get time to do irc anymore |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | i squeeze it in somehow :) |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | dos000: can you paste your actual script |
| 02:16.29 | markybob | abrotman: by ircing *during* work ... :) |
| 02:16.29 | reiser2 | abrotman: Hi |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | hi reiser2 |
| 02:16.38 | thingfish | I try to now and then, but not nearly like I used to. I get home late, have to cook dinner, then it's time to catch up on tv and then off to bed |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | markybob: not much lately |
| 02:16.44 | igogo | I tried to install Debian 4.0 with netinst.iso, however, it always went wrong in coping kernel while installing base system. |
| 02:16.48 | igogo | why? |
| 02:16.48 | thingfish | markybob: that day is coming soon |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | thingfish: make the hubby cook! |
| 02:16.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:16.56 | thingfish | right! |
| 02:17.04 | dos000 | abrotman: sure |
| 02:17.06 | abrotman | thingfish: then it'd be hot dogs and milk eh ? |
| 02:17.34 | thingfish | abrotman: oh no actually when he can be persuaded to cook, he does pretty well. It's just getting him to do it. |
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| 02:18.06 | abrotman | lazy bum! |
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| 02:18.14 | thingfish | exactly |
| 02:18.18 | igogo | first, I tghought of the /boor partition is to small.And I change its size again to 20MB. |
| 02:18.23 | igogo | but it still failed. |
| 02:18.24 | jjkal | fasta pasta |
| 02:18.27 | jjkal | yumm |
| 02:18.54 | GhostlyDeath | In the configuration editor where is /system/networking/wireless/networks located in the filesystem? |
| 02:18.59 | igogo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.55 | dos000 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/433908 |
| 02:19.58 | inFw | done |
| 02:20.03 | inFw | er.. wrong screen :x |
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| 02:21.54 | dos000 | abrotman: i will go and ask in #asterisk if the deamon is supposed to fork itself |
| 02:22.03 | GhostlyDeath | would it be in /etc/ because I can't find it anywhere |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | dos000: fork you buddy! |
| 02:22.10 | nihraguk | argh i can't figure out why pam isn't authenticating my credentials against the postgresql database. |
| 02:22.46 | litage_ | why does ``date -I'' (that's a capital "i") print the date in YYYY-MM-DD format, but date's manpage doesn't list that arg? |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | dos000: there's a set -e in there |
| 02:23.36 | GhostlyDeath | Damn you San Serif Fonts! |
| 02:24.00 | amphi | there is no font but 'fixed' |
| 02:24.07 | dondelelcaro | litage_: there are a lot of things that date can do but the manpage doesn't listen. |
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| 02:24.10 | dondelelcaro | s/listen/list/ |
| 02:24.12 | imacpr0n | Damn. X can't find a display device. |
| 02:24.18 | dos000 | abrotman: what does that do :888 ? |
| 02:24.19 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: fixed isn't a type of font |
| 02:24.23 | litage_ | i see.. |
| 02:24.27 | balman | i have a lead to my kdm login problem. when i check ~/.Xsession-errors, i see one line "open: permission denied". why is it that i have lost this permission to open an X session? how to fix it? |
| 02:24.41 | GhostlyDeath | Fixed is just a term for font |
| 02:24.48 | GhostlyDeath | 's where every character is the same width |
| 02:24.53 | dos000 | abrotman: i yanked this script from one of the backports i imagine |
| 02:24.59 | GhostlyDeath | - ' |
| 02:25.30 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: 'fixed width' is a type of font, as is 'proportional' |
| 02:25.30 | imacpr0n | What's with these Linux distro's that don't come with emacs by default? |
| 02:25.57 | GhostlyDeath | amphi: Monospace |
| 02:26.05 | pipeline | imacpr0n: err, it's 80M :P |
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| 02:26.06 | Ronin | imacpr0n: no one wants it |
| 02:26.14 | imacpr0n | hehe |
| 02:26.15 | GhostlyDeath | Courier is a Serif Font! |
| 02:26.18 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: yes, a synonym |
| 02:26.29 | GhostlyDeath | it is |
| 02:26.33 | imacpr0n | Oh, well. apt-get is downloading it for me |
| 02:26.34 | markybob | i only know one person who actually uses emacs |
| 02:26.40 | Guerin | me! |
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| 02:26.43 | imacpr0n | Now you know two |
| 02:26.45 | Silicon | there's no script to reset inetd in /etc/init.d anymore? |
| 02:26.47 | Ronin | markybob: three now i think |
| 02:26.49 | markybob | Guerin: you're who i was talking about |
| 02:26.51 | imacpr0n | I spend most of my day in emacs |
| 02:26.54 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:27.03 | Ronin | imacpr0n: sucks to be you ;) |
| 02:27.06 | pipeline | imacpr0n: http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html.hu ! |
| 02:27.07 | GhostlyDeath | I only use emacs on some remote SSH server console remote control thingys |
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| 02:27.34 | pipeline | imacpr0n: it's so much better than regular (x)emacs. You'll never go back. Open emacs tty in a "screen" session, keep your emacs state for months at a time |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | dos000: it will exit if a simple command fails |
| 02:27.47 | Guerin | whee, mutt is much faster now that i archived all my mail since 2005 some time |
| 02:27.59 | imacpr0n | I do that on my work machine, but with a Lisp session, to which I connect from a local emacs |
| 02:28.18 | GhostlyDeath | In the configuration editor where is /system/networking/wireless/networks located in the filesystem (like /etc /var , etc.)? |
| 02:28.20 | dos000 | abrotman: yes .. but accroding to my bash -x logs its not failing ! |
| 02:28.25 | x3n0 | hi all |
| 02:28.26 | pipeline | imacpr0n: You actually *gasp* have lisp at work? |
| 02:28.28 | balman | no one here has experienced the same problem as i do with kdm login? |
| 02:28.39 | pipeline | imacpr0n: where do you work? asshole neckbeard IT paradise? |
| 02:28.42 | Guerin | balman: apparently not |
| 02:28.47 | dos000 | abrotman: it executes the following lines nicely |
| 02:28.47 | squisher | GhostlyDeath: what configuration editor? |
| 02:28.49 | pipeline | imacpr0n: is it private sector? :D :D :D |
| 02:28.55 | GhostlyDeath | squisher: gconf-editor |
| 02:29.05 | imacpr0n | yes, airline reservation software |
| 02:29.13 | imacpr0n | MIT spin-off |
| 02:29.17 | squisher | GhostlyDeath: why do you want to know? That's what gconf-editor is for... |
| 02:29.24 | imacpr0n | 50 lisp hackers. A couple hundred others |
| 02:29.26 | GhostlyDeath | squisher: I need to delete stuff |
| 02:29.35 | imacpr0n | Lots of venture capital |
| 02:29.41 | GhostlyDeath | gconf does not delete |
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| 02:30.22 | squisher | GhostlyDeath: you sure about that? I'm not running gnome, so I can't check. AFAIK gconf can use different backends. It'll be in your home somewhere, ~/.gnome2 or something |
| 02:30.27 | lontra | dpkg? |
| 02:30.42 | pipeline | imacpr0n: haha, awesome. The last successful niche occupied by lisp. :P |
| 02:30.50 | x3n0 | has anyone got domino (KDE) running on sid? |
| 02:30.55 | imacpr0n | Yeah, I call it the "lisp ghetto" |
| 02:31.00 | imacpr0n | But it's a very nice ghetto |
| 02:31.15 | imacpr0n | Lisp scales |
| 02:31.17 | GhostlyDeath | Your computer cooling system is flawed if the computer is colder than the outside of the computer! |
| 02:31.35 | lontra | apt: ping |
| 02:31.46 | apt | pong |
| 02:31.51 | GhostlyDeath | ping |
| 02:32.06 | lontra | apt: vlc |
| 02:32.08 | apt | i heard vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 02:32.25 | GhostlyDeath | apt: get |
| 02:32.26 | apt | get is probably search http://www.apt-get.org |
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| 02:32.54 | imacpr0n | Debian 4.0 is the first distro I've tried that doesn't auto-config X in VMWare |
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| 02:33.05 | amphi | hurrah! |
| 02:33.12 | imacpr0n | Maybe it's because I chose too many resolutions. |
| 02:33.18 | imacpr0n | I'll remove some of them |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | isn't that VMwares fault ? |
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| 02:33.23 | balman | how sad, i m fixed, even Guerin the Guru hasn't got the answer for me. |
| 02:33.32 | harib0 | hello all |
| 02:33.34 | imacpr0n | Hard to say whose fault it is |
| 02:34.04 | GhostlyDeath | blame apt-cache |
| 02:34.06 | imacpr0n | But they're not playing together nicely for me |
| 02:34.09 | cafuego | balman: 42 |
| 02:34.15 | amphi | "it matters not who won or lost, but where you placed the blame" |
| 02:34.20 | harib0 | i need help with awk command. I have a result but i want to remove "," character and dont find how i can do this |
| 02:34.55 | harib0 | awk '{print $6 g " x " $8}' and i want to remove "," from $8 |
| 02:35.00 | balman | cafuego, wtf is that, not about 'Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy', is it? |
| 02:35.06 | pipeline | imacpr0n: debian also doesn't come with X11, silly |
| 02:35.21 | Insolit | do you know if it's possible to have a link in a html that runs a command in system? |
| 02:35.24 | GhostlyDeath | Gray aliens = bad, Green Aliens = good |
| 02:35.29 | pipeline | Insolit: yes, and it's a terrible, terrible idea. |
| 02:35.36 | Guerin | Insolit: anything's possible. |
| 02:35.39 | pipeline | Insolit: in a nutshell, perl CGI or bash CGI will do the job. |
| 02:35.43 | Guerin | particularly with that sort of arrangement |
| 02:35.49 | Insolit | i wanted something simpler |
| 02:35.58 | pipeline | Insolit: CGI is pretty damned simple. |
| 02:35.59 | GhostlyDeath | Why is my LCD screen so crispy? |
| 02:36.03 | Insolit | the purpose is to have a list of games in a page |
| 02:36.14 | Insolit | and when a game is clicked the game is opened |
| 02:36.19 | cafuego | harib0: Use the sub() function. |
| 02:36.48 | x3n0 | I'm looking for a experienced debian user to help with a fresh site... |
| 02:36.48 | pipeline | Insolit: configure CGI and just have a dumbassed script that launches the command. You don't actually have to implement any CGI functionality. :P |
| 02:36.57 | Insolit | pipeline: cgi needs to have an apache configured to allow cgi... |
| 02:37.03 | GhostlyDeath | x3n0: a web site? |
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| 02:37.11 | pipeline | x3n0: 85 USD hourly, surcharges for extended periods. |
| 02:37.26 | x3n0 | GhostlyDeath, yeh |
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| 02:37.46 | GhostlyDeath | x3n0: why Debian Linux? |
| 02:37.53 | GhostlyDeath | GNU/Linux * |
| 02:38.16 | cafuego | harib0: awk '{$X=sub(/,/, "", $8); print $6 g " x " $X}' |
| 02:38.22 | cafuego | harib0: That ort to do it |
| 02:38.31 | balman | cafuego, you still havtn't answered my q. |
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| 02:38.43 | cafuego | balman: "Yes, it is." |
| 02:38.50 | x3n0 | GhostlyDeath, well the site is about GNU/GPL in general |
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| 02:39.05 | GhostlyDeath | x3n0: Good things or bad things? |
| 02:39.23 | balman | cafuego, now i can leave in peace. bye. |
| 02:39.25 | x3n0 | only good |
| 02:39.27 | pipeline | Insolit: that should not be difficult at all :P |
| 02:39.35 | GhostlyDeath | The bad thing about GNU GPL is that YOU MAKE NO MONEY!! |
| 02:39.42 | GhostlyDeath | = |
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| 02:39.47 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: that's not true |
| 02:40.33 | GhostlyDeath | =( * damn 9 key! |
| 02:40.33 | harib0 | thx cafuego |
| 02:40.33 | lontra | GNU GPL doesn't say you can't make money |
| 02:40.33 | pipeline | GhostlyDeath: I make an awful lot of money off of it :D |
| 02:40.33 | Insolit | pipeline: not difficult but i don't feel that's the best way to achieve this |
| 02:40.33 | GhostlyDeath | I mean selling software that GPLed |
| 02:40.34 | GhostlyDeath | not the medium it is on |
| 02:40.34 | aubade | Donations can put your kids through college and pay off that mortgage, I'm sure. (: |
| 02:40.34 | thingfish | GhostlyDeath: that's simply not true, as abrotman commented. |
| 02:40.34 | x3n0 | the idea behind the site is to re-enforce fsf.org |
| 02:40.35 | pipeline | Insolit: It's the simplest way. You didn't ask for the best way. |
| 02:40.43 | thingfish | GhostlyDeath: so you sell either convenience, or services. |
| 02:40.43 | Insolit | :P |
| 02:40.51 | x3n0 | but with a much broader scope for site content |
| 02:40.57 | Insolit | pipeline: then what would you consider the best way? :P |
| 02:40.57 | lontra | GhostlyDeath: you could also sell distros |
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| 02:41.49 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
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| 02:42.02 | GhostlyDeath | I like keeping my sources private |
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| 02:42.13 | dondelelcaro | aubade: uh... before writing an angry letter to a Debian Developer who is a volunteer, perhaps you should think about what you have done to help Debian recently. |
| 02:42.17 | lontra | GhostlyDeath: are you a troll? |
| 02:42.37 | GhostlyDeath | lontra: I'm not a troll, I'm a human being |
| 02:42.48 | x3n0 | the site will also include a forum, various help topics... |
| 02:42.58 | Guerin | lontra: chop off his arm! if it doesn't grow back, he's not a troll! |
| 02:43.00 | harib0 | cafuego dont work i have just 1 in place of $8 result |
| 02:43.21 | GhostlyDeath | x3n0: Wouldn't FSF's SIte have all the information though? |
| 02:43.22 | aubade | dondelelcaro: Not going to literarly write 'im, just stunned the package for Glipper on the repos is compiled to use gconf2. :P |
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| 02:43.36 | x3n0 | partially |
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| 02:43.40 | lontra | aubade: compile it yourself? |
| 02:43.53 | aubade | lontra: Step ahead of you. |
| 02:44.18 | GhostlyDeath | oh yeah! GNU GPL is "free" as in free speech but not "free" as in 0 cost! right/ |
| 02:44.33 | x3n0 | I have managed to get permission to plug the rss feeds and use then on the site already |
| 02:44.36 | dondelelcaro | aubade: uh... why shouldn't it be built against libgconf2? |
| 02:44.51 | ceeg | I'm packaging a ruby script. This is my debian/rules file: http://pastebin.ca/433929 , when I look at the resulting deb, in Included Files: /usr/local/bin/rcdc is not there. Only /usr/share/doc/rcdc/copyright |
| 02:44.54 | lontra | apt: moo |
| 02:45.03 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 02:45.15 | abrotman | aubade: file a bug ? |
| 02:45.24 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: Debian packages should not be installing stuff to /usr/local/bin |
| 02:46.19 | pipeline | Insolit: a single mod_perl script to do it ;) |
| 02:46.19 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: second, you're copying stuff to /usr/local/bin, not debian/tmp/usr/local/bin or wherever you've actually got your package's root. |
| 02:46.28 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: the NM guide explains this all fairly well. |
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| 02:46.30 | GhostlyDeath | "Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.", OK who want's to buy Debian for 3000 USD? |
| 02:46.54 | x3n0 | ;) |
| 02:46.55 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: good luck with that. |
| 02:46.58 | wols_ | only with an instant rebate |
| 02:46.58 | aubade | dondelelcaro: Seems like it's more of something a person soley using a window manager would use. xfce4-panel and gnome-panel both have applets already for clipboard management. |
| 02:47.01 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: some people would if it came with a warantee or service guarantee |
| 02:47.10 | wols_ | I guess, about 3100 USD rebate should do it |
| 02:47.29 | GhostlyDeath | dondelelcaro: and free lifetime techincal support |
| 02:47.30 | dondelelcaro | aubade: well, it is a clipboard manager for gnome, so... |
| 02:47.43 | GhostlyDeath | "My apt-get sources are broke, fix it!" |
| 02:48.05 | aubade | Maybe I have a skewed perspective from having used Ubuntu (in before hisses and politics) but not too many apps that aren't GNOME-centric use gconf cheifly. |
| 02:48.58 | aubade | dondelelcaro: 's no big deal, easy enough to compile since there's aren't too many build deps. |
| 02:49.14 | GhostlyDeath | hmm So how would I sell GNU GPL software and prevent piracy of it (if it uses non-free data files)? |
| 02:49.22 | x3n0 | so any takers for the site? |
| 02:49.35 | squisher | GhostlyDeath: ask Suse, redhat... |
| 02:49.44 | lontra | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/index.cgi?moo=Thanks+GhostlyDeath |
| 02:50.11 | GhostlyDeath | "Blocked by websense." |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | as it should be |
| 02:51.00 | x3n0 | its to enlighten non linux users...aid new users...&...maybe even help old hands (from time to time) |
| 02:51.23 | amphi | x3n0: don't eat the yellow snow |
| 02:51.41 | x3n0 | ...? |
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| 02:51.45 | harib0 | good answer was awk '{ gsub(/,/, "", $8); print$6 " x " $8 }' :) |
| 02:51.58 | atrus | debian etch, having an issue with gnome-panel drawers. they all open in the top left corner instead of attached to the drawer icon on the parent panel |
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| 02:53.01 | Azar | nice setup.. http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
| 02:53.39 | x3n0 | thinkgpl |
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| 02:54.30 | cafuego | harib0: well, nearly. |
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| 02:55.04 | smcavoy_ | Hello, I'm setting up apache2 on etch. to enable ssl do I just copy the .conf and .load files to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | smcavoy_: a2enmod |
| 02:55.14 | dondelelcaro | smcavoy_: no, you just a2enmod ssl |
| 02:55.23 | smcavoy_ | sweetness |
| 02:55.28 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever it's called) |
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| 02:55.35 | smcavoy_ | abrotman, dondelelcaro thanks |
| 02:56.22 | Azar | all honorables present this evening |
| 02:56.22 | smcavoy_ | how best would I disable listening on port 80? |
| 02:56.28 | FuzzyB | Could someone please help me, I'm trying to install xen on etch, and when i run update-grub it's ignoring the xen kernels and not building a logical menu.list for grub. Is there a way to force update-grub to run right, or a conf file somewhere i'm not aware of? |
| 02:56.36 | Azar | good thing because I would like to know how we will nickname mister Sam |
| 02:56.50 | FuzzyB | smcavoy_: iptables |
| 02:57.21 | Azar | "uncle Sam" yeeess!!! |
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| 02:57.24 | harib0 | thanks cafuego |
| 02:57.27 | smcavoy_ | FuzzyB, I'd rather it not listen at all :) |
| 02:57.41 | FuzzyB | then turn off the service running on port 80 |
| 02:58.07 | Azar | pst might as well unplug that connection wire from your router. |
| 02:58.57 | squisher | FuzzyB: You can always add the kernel by hand to menu.lst... |
| 02:59.07 | haggz | FuzzyB: I recommend updating your /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand, ymmv but update-grub hasn't handled my more complex setups correctly at all |
| 02:59.07 | Azar | psst again, see if your sources use http will not work after yanking port 80 |
| 02:59.13 | FuzzyB | squisher: yea i did that |
| 02:59.45 | udos | anyone know why df -k reports 60% usage for 870300 on 15377800 HD (57%)? |
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| 03:00.06 | abrotman | 1000 vs 1024 ? |
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| 03:01.00 | udos | abrotman: how could that be when stats are listed in base-10 anyhow? |
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| 03:01.19 | abrotman | udos: it was a possibility |
| 03:01.28 | udos | just wondering |
| 03:01.56 | markybob | df counts the 5% root has reserved ? |
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| 03:03.06 | imacpron-etch | I had to use the "vesa" driver |
| 03:03.13 | imacpron-etch | Typing this from my newly installed Debian 4.0 |
| 03:03.40 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: so, something like this? http://pastebin.ca/433950 |
| 03:04.51 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: yes, but you probably want to install -d $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin; first |
| 03:04.52 | smcavoy_ | I ran a2enmod ssl, the module loads but its not listening on 443. simply updating ports.conf with 443 results in a non-ssl apache listening on 443. any suggestions? |
| 03:05.24 | cafuego | smcavoy_: Give it the directives it needs (SSLEngine On for instance) in a :443 hostd efinition. |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | smcavoy_: there's a bit mre you have to do |
| 03:05.53 | udos | markybob: hmmmm... adding 5% HD overhead to alllocated space / HD size yields 61.5% |
| 03:06.17 | imacpron-etch | Epiphany web browser, eh? That's a new one on me |
| 03:06.19 | SerajewelKS | i thought root reserved 3% |
| 03:06.47 | udos | SerajewelKS: if it does, then it would be a perfect fit |
| 03:07.05 | squisher | SerajewelKS: I think it's configurable, but AFAIK the default is 5%. Might have changed though |
| 03:07.24 | udos | squisher: configurable where? |
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| 03:07.47 | squisher | udos: when you create the fs, man mkfs.ext3 |
| 03:08.06 | udos | then it's permanent, OK |
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| 03:08.46 | SerajewelKS | udos: no |
| 03:08.48 | SerajewelKS | udos: man tune2fs |
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| 03:08.57 | SerajewelKS | squisher: tune2fs says 5% here too |
| 03:09.12 | H2OyJaBoN | does somebody rip dvd's with dvdbackup? |
| 03:09.18 | udos | SerajewelKS: mkfs.ext3 also reports 5% |
| 03:09.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell H2OyJaBoN about poll |
| 03:09.35 | SerajewelKS | ~tell H2OyJaBoN about poll |
| 03:09.40 | SerajewelKS | damn |
| 03:09.44 | squisher | !tell SerajewelKS that dpkg is not here |
| 03:09.48 | harib0 | anyone knows a command to have few information about a video file ??? |
| 03:09.50 | SerajewelKS | squisher: no shit |
| 03:09.54 | squisher | ;-) |
| 03:10.03 | zu22 | yay etch was released, i run testing, i just did an 'apt-get upgrade' ~40MB worth, should i also do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' that would be ~400MB and i am dialup connection to net. |
| 03:10.07 | SerajewelKS | H2OyJaBoN: anyway, i'm sure some people do. how about you ask your real question instead? |
| 03:10.35 | SerajewelKS | harib0: try 'file' |
| 03:10.44 | smcavoy_ | cafuego, I'm still getting used to the 2.x config setup. would the SSLEngine On go into the conf for each site founed in sites-enabled ? |
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| 03:11.19 | harib0 | SerajewelKS there is not another command with more information ??? |
| 03:11.25 | H2OyJaBoN | SerajewelKS, when i tried dvdbackup -M -i /dev/dvd -o /home/dvd/ y receives this "Error writing TITLE VOB Mirror of Title set 2 failed Mirror of DVD failed " |
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| 03:11.46 | SerajewelKS | harib0: i don't know of one off the top of my head |
| 03:11.52 | FuzzyB | what does debootstrap --second-stage do? |
| 03:11.58 | SerajewelKS | H2OyJaBoN: i don't use dvdbackup |
| 03:12.05 | cafuego | smcavoy_: Yes, but keep in mind you can't do name based vhosting. |
| 03:12.14 | H2OyJaBoN | SerajewelKS, what do u use to rip dvd's? |
| 03:12.16 | cafuego | smcavoy_: Not with ssl enabled, anyway. |
| 03:12.22 | SerajewelKS | H2OyJaBoN: dvdrip |
| 03:12.49 | zu22 | any opinions yay or nay? |
| 03:12.54 | smcavoy_ | cafuego, I won't be doing any vhosts. thanks for the info |
| 03:12.57 | H2OyJaBoN | SerajewelKS, does dvdrip work fine? |
| 03:13.10 | SerajewelKS | H2OyJaBoN: if it didn't, i probably wouldn't be using it |
| 03:13.12 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: dvdbackup -M -i/dev/dvd -o/home/dvd |
| 03:13.18 | cafuego | zu22: If you'r still on testing, you'll be going to lenny, not etch. Is that what you want? |
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| 03:13.46 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, what the diference with my command? |
| 03:13.50 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: spaces |
| 03:13.51 | cafuego | smcavoy_: Cool, easy then. You'll also need the directives for the certificate/key files etc, it's pretty well documented on apache.org. |
| 03:13.57 | deadcat | whats change in sudo? when i sudo crontab -e, it used to bust out vi (using root's .bash* env's) now it seems to be using the default envs.. also i have a script in root's bin/cmount, when i sudo cmount mount, i get command not found. |
| 03:14.08 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, ahhh lol! y'm goint to try |
| 03:14.11 | H2OyJaBoN | ;) |
| 03:15.11 | BUMBACL0T | im upgrading to etch and wondering why this thing is installing k7 stuff instead of 686 ? |
| 03:15.24 | cafuego | BUMBACL0T: K7 has better karma. |
| 03:15.31 | BUMBACL0T | ? |
| 03:15.31 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, said this " libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB (0x00002657)!!" |
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| 03:15.51 | cafuego | H2OyJaBoN: Do you have dvdcss2 installed? |
| 03:15.52 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: that's why i told you to install libdvdcss2 when we first talked, remember? |
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| 03:16.25 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, yes, i installed this packages from debian-multimedia |
| 03:16.45 | zu22 | cafuego: yes i will moving to lenny i meant (i run a constantly testing system) |
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| 03:17.22 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: libdvdread3 also isntalled? |
| 03:17.22 | zu22 | cafuego: i did the 'apt-get upgrade' part now not sure if i need/want to do the dist-upgrade which will take a very long time over 3KB/s dialup modem |
| 03:17.23 | cafuego | zu22: Well, it's on your head ... ;-) |
| 03:17.27 | zu22 | cafuego: heh |
| 03:17.34 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, yes also! |
| 03:17.51 | cafuego | zu22: They're still basically identical, prolly wait ahwile, less wastage. |
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| 03:18.04 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: /dev/dvd points to the real drive? /dev/hdd or whatever it really is? |
| 03:19.51 | abrotman | zu22: go downtown and steal wifi |
| 03:19.52 | H2OyJaBoN | /dev/hda on /media/L1_108887 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000) |
| 03:19.57 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, |
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| 03:20.41 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: i dont know, then. you should probably test with another dvd, though. |
| 03:21.08 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, ok... thaks too bro! |
| 03:21.26 | markybob | np |
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| 03:21.42 | Azar | zu22: if you can't afford a better/speedier connection then you should keep "stable" or "etch" in your sources. |
| 03:21.48 | mseney | using ubuntu 7.04 beta which has gnome 2.18, how much diff is 2.14? i'm thinking about trying etch |
| 03:21.48 | zu22 | abrotman: haha |
| 03:22.11 | H2OyJaBoN | markybob, do u know other tool for dvd rip? |
| 03:22.12 | zu22 | azar: nah stable is too slow for me, prefer testing :) i've tried unstable too, that was too many bugs so i like middle ground :) plan on getting DSL soon |
| 03:22.25 | markybob | mseney: not too much, really. last couple gnome releases have mostly been little polishings |
| 03:22.34 | Azar | zu22: then you have to dist-upgrade, otherwise you will break what you have so far |
| 03:22.45 | zu22 | azar: ok |
| 03:22.46 | mseney | okay cool, i'll start downloading then |
| 03:22.47 | mseney | thanks |
| 03:22.49 | haggz | mseney: gnome is a fairly slow moving environment, I doubt you would find much difference in functionality, apart from Debian being more stable, in my experience |
| 03:22.50 | markybob | H2OyJaBoN: shrinkta? thoggen? |
| 03:23.22 | H2OyJaBoN | i'll see |
| 03:23.29 | Azar | zu22: read the release notes if you intent do dist-upgrade good to know things there |
| 03:23.34 | zu22 | cafuego: ok i will wait a few weeks |
| 03:23.57 | zu22 | Azar: k |
| 03:24.26 | smcavoy_ | cafuego, got it up and going, thanks for the help. Do you know why they moved away from apache2-ssl auto generating a ssl key and all that jazz? |
| 03:24.37 | BUMBACL0T | Do you want system wide readable home directories? <<< should i click yes or no? |
| 03:25.25 | markybob | BUMBACL0T: ...kinda depends on if you want system wide readable home directories :-) |
| 03:25.40 | markybob | BUMBACL0T: i usually say no |
| 03:26.01 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
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| 03:28.52 | haggz | Have their been any good in-depth reviews of Etch anywhere yet? All I've seen on the net is "I installed it and played with the GUI for 30 minutes, and btw, Debian has politics!" reviews. |
| 03:29.56 | Azar | haggz yep, |
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| 03:30.50 | reiser2 | i need one-liner for ati |
| 03:30.57 | Azar | haggz: http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
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| 03:32.03 | haggz | azar: thanks |
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| 03:32.45 | cafuego | smcavoy_: Not sure... but if you want a key, sign up at http://cacert.org/ :-) |
| 03:32.59 | markybob | reiser2: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 03:33.19 | reiser2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.27 | zu22 | Azar: thx for URL that page has a nice walkthrough for newbies |
| 03:33.27 | Azar | ridiculously yes there are some making cheap noise at iceweasel.... someone hurts badly because firefox was renamed, forgetting anyone is free to download and use firefox |
| 03:33.34 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: sigh. im still having problems. it still only works when i build the deb. http://pastebin.ca/433993 (thanks for helping me btw) |
| 03:33.35 | zu22 | Azar: i can point my LUG at it |
| 03:34.02 | Azar | zu22: what url? |
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| 03:34.42 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: you'll have to provide the entire build output |
| 03:35.11 | ceeg | one sec |
| 03:35.28 | Azar | if I would use any installer howto page would be the one that recommends only the minimum install.. just not to be taken by surprise |
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| 03:37.14 | Azar | well maliciously enough mr vaughan-nichols quotes all "celebrities" who are not so friendly to Debian, what could I expect |
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| 03:38.22 | haggz | azar: the link you gave was a much better review than most, still a bit light, but its good to see the author demonstrate actual knowledge of how to use and configure the system. |
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| 03:39.15 | Azar | haggz: truly enough a bare-bone linux knowledge is still necessary in order to feel comfortable with the installation and configuration of Debian... |
| 03:40.24 | Azar | back in the days when for the first time I tried Woody as my first time linux experience, it felt really painfull, I can see etch is more pleasant to install |
| 03:40.33 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: (not root, error) http://pastebin.ca/434003 (as root, no error) http://pastebin.ca/434004 |
| 03:40.34 | zu22 | Azar: if you want rock solid stability and good security go with Debian, if you want to run the latest bleeding edge packages thrown together there are any number of distros to cater to- that need, some of these reviewers are not being too savvy when they review debian |
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| 03:41.10 | steve__ | anyone know how to fix a "No Release Callback" error? |
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| 03:41.45 | Azar | it is been so long and so many people still do not understand that "bleeding edge" is coming at some stiff price: it is like a big red shiny apple outside rotten and filled with worms inside |
| 03:42.24 | Guerin | people are stupid |
| 03:42.26 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 03:42.27 | zu22 | Azar: precisely |
| 03:42.30 | zu22 | Guerin: heh |
| 03:42.41 | Azar | Guerin: we are people too :) |
| 03:42.52 | cpuobsessed | how would I turn the 21 CDs into a local repo? |
| 03:42.54 | Azar | *shock* |
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| 03:43.16 | Guerin | cpuobsessed: debmirror? |
| 03:43.23 | balman | ah, i feel good. fixed my kdm login problem. |
| 03:43.24 | haggz | azar: yeah, imo debian is the ultimate distro for people who want to accomplish real tasks, i have 3 machines running etch, one as a server, one as a casual desktop, and one for programming and testing stuff before deploying it to the server, etch has been rock solid in all configs. |
| 03:43.27 | Supaplex | it's like trying to open a switch blade, blind folded and with numb hands. it's cool if you pull it off, but you can get cut easy. |
| 03:43.55 | jimbalaya | hm, what's this: http://lunapark6.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/install-25.png |
| 03:43.56 | Guerin | Supaplex: ever tried filleting a fish in the dark, with frozen fingers? |
| 03:43.59 | epsilon | .oO uploading etch dvd torrent, 500GB and counting... |
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| 03:44.12 | Guerin | THAT is cool if you can pull it off :) |
| 03:44.21 | Guerin | epsilon: nice. |
| 03:44.24 | Azar | I would take etch takes everything under its wing: desktop and server which is really cool. "Look ma' I can do both" |
| 03:44.26 | balman | it was the permission settings of /tmp. |
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| 03:44.36 | Supaplex | epsilon: nice :P |
| 03:44.40 | Guerin | balman: yikes |
| 03:44.45 | Guerin | balman: why were those changed? |
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| 03:45.03 | distortedstar | hello! |
| 03:45.08 | balman | Guerin: now i recall i had rm and then mkdir /tmp. |
| 03:45.12 | Azar | hi |
| 03:45.14 | Guerin | balman: ... |
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| 03:46.00 | distortedstar | does anybody here have any experience using s-video out with etch? |
| 03:46.02 | Supaplex | drive yourself insane with mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /bin |
| 03:46.07 | Azar | balman: practice makes you better |
| 03:46.12 | balman | Guerin: i got the solution fr web search. but i can't explain how the permissions of /tmp can affect kdm login. you care to try? |
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| 03:46.34 | Guerin | balman: the permissions of /tmp can affect *everything* |
| 03:46.49 | wols_ | balman: kdm writes a temporary file: xauth or whatever |
| 03:46.53 | dondelelcaro | balman: if /tmp doesn't have teh proper permisions, the sockets and other temporary files necessary to log in cannot be created. |
| 03:46.55 | wols_ | guess where this fil is stored? |
| 03:47.05 | Azar | distortedstar: s-video out comes from your video card, you could study that stuff at your videocard website (look for linux configuration) |
| 03:47.06 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: like i said, it works fine on my system. i can type rcdc right after i BUILD the deb. if i remove rcdc from /usr/bin and apt-get install the deb from my repo (yeah i replaced the one in the repo) it doesnt work, and an updatedb&&locate rcdc turns up just the copyright |
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| 03:48.01 | cafuego | ceeg: In other woords, the deb in your repo is empty. |
| 03:48.11 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: you need to first run debian/rules clean; as root, then run it using fakeroot |
| 03:48.18 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: do not build packages as root at all. |
| 03:48.35 | balman | hack, in trying to close the tab of zu22, i end up quitting #debian. |
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| 03:48.38 | distortedstar | Azar: yeah I'm a bit of noob when it comes to getting this stuff to work. I haven't checked the nvidia site for documentation yet |
| 03:48.51 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: why not as root? |
| 03:48.58 | balman | zu22: no private chat, pls. i prefer to chat in the open |
| 03:49.00 | zu22 | balman: lol |
| 03:49.19 | balman | guys, thks for all the feedback on /tmp. |
| 03:49.21 | zu22 | balman: i sent to wrong id sorry |
| 03:49.25 | Azar | zu22: in any case I would go with this one when I will install Etch: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
| 03:49.38 | cafuego | !seen Penix |
| 03:49.39 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20d 18h 6m 41s ago, saying: 'cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :)'. |
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| 03:49.43 | zu22 | Azar: ok will check it out |
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| 03:50.19 | zu22 | cafuego: it took me 5 years to go from 2400 to 14.4 baud modem lol |
| 03:50.27 | cafuego | Ouch |
| 03:50.29 | Azar | distortedstar: you could also see how others did it by googling : s-video configuration in Debian 4.0 Etch |
| 03:50.37 | dondelelcaro | wols_: because bad packages install things in places where they shouldn't go, and you shouldn't ever need to |
| 03:50.45 | manu_hack | I'd like to know if there is xdvi compiled with motif in debian? |
| 03:50.57 | dondelelcaro | (well, I lie slightly, because I do have one package that requires you to be root to build, but it won't ever go into Debian) |
| 03:51.01 | cafuego | I was wanting to make Penix cry again, but he's nopt been back. |
| 03:51.13 | zu22 | cafuego: that's what MemoServ is for :P |
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| 03:51.29 | cafuego | zu22: No, I want a live reaction! ;-) |
| 03:51.30 | Azar | dondelelcaro: did you guys planned any Etch-release party? |
| 03:51.33 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: what package? |
| 03:51.40 | Guerin | wols_: libsatan |
| 03:51.57 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: well i've seen 2 philosophies on sudoers vs su root, not sure which one provides overall better security |
| 03:52.01 | dondelelcaro | Azar: not to my knowledge |
| 03:52.06 | wols_ | why does a vulnerability scanner need root to build? |
| 03:52.08 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i type very fast so su'ing doesn't bother me |
| 03:52.14 | Guerin | zu22: the one with the best admin |
| 03:52.15 | distortedstar | Azar: thanks. I'm checking out some of the results now. The nvdia site doesn't have lots of info. |
| 03:52.23 | zu22 | Guerin: ah ya |
| 03:52.23 | dondelelcaro | zu22: no, I'm saying to not use root at all... not using sudo, and not using su. |
| 03:52.35 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: i'll try that |
| 03:53.10 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it's not in Debian. It creates a filesystem and mounts it, then debootstraps it for a custom application |
| 03:53.33 | harib0 | another question about awk. How awk can have variable of 12th line only for example ?? |
| 03:53.43 | wols_ | wow. paranoia. does it come with its own gcc too? |
| 03:53.53 | dondelelcaro | wols_: no |
| 03:54.16 | harib0 | i want the $8 of the 12th line for example |
| 03:54.21 | harib0 | how can i do this ?? |
| 03:54.26 | dondelelcaro | harib0: use head |
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| 03:54.33 | dondelelcaro | (and tail) |
| 03:54.37 | Azar | zu22: I learned that major admin tasks to be done after X is closed, in pure terminal as root. Like kernel upgrades, dist-upgrades and such. I would su only to quick check some configurations and /or update/upgrade |
| 03:55.08 | dondelelcaro | ala head -n 12 |tail -n 1 |awk '{print $8}'; probably some other way by checking $. and more awkage... |
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| 03:55.14 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: sudo debian/rules clean; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot; => install: cannot remove `/usr/bin/rcdc': Permission denied |
| 03:55.22 | Wyzard | Azar: I use su and do upgrades from a terminal in GNOME all the time |
| 03:55.30 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: and now think about what it's trying to do there |
| 03:55.33 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:55.41 | Guerin | i tend not to btoher dropping out of x |
| 03:55.50 | Guerin | though I do all my stuff in screen |
| 03:55.59 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: should it be touching /usr/bin/rcdc? No, right? so what does that mean is not defined? |
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| 03:56.13 | Azar | Wyzard: well I like to do it outside X, just in case ... I might byte my tongue |
| 03:56.41 | Wyzard | Azar: It's not necessary |
| 03:56.55 | Azar | Guerin: remember I stayed in Woody 2 and half years without Xserver installed.. got used to |
| 03:57.09 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: its trying to remove /usr/bin/rcdc and put it there again i'm assuming. it should be touching it, i want the binary to be there, right? |
| 03:57.22 | Azar | Wyzard: habit, like smoking, beer drinking.. |
| 03:57.31 | Wyzard | Azar: Occasionally you might need to restart X *after* doing the upgrades, so that you're running the new version of something, but I don't think I've ever seen an upgrade that would fail if you were in X |
| 03:57.39 | Wyzard | Azar: sure, but that's really inconvenient |
| 03:57.55 | Wyzard | unnecessarily inconvenient to yourself |
| 03:58.10 | Azar | Wyzard: another reason I removed .dm: I like to watch the boot :) |
| 03:58.17 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: you want it to be in $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin, not /usr/bin. You're not setting DESTDIR at all. |
| 03:58.26 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah so you use fakeroot i guess? |
| 03:58.35 | dondelelcaro | zu22: yes |
| 03:58.53 | dondelelcaro | the only reason you should have to build as root is to get the permissions right |
| 03:58.55 | Azar | Wyzard: I still fail to see the necessity of an X display besides the pleasing of the eye |
| 03:58.59 | dondelelcaro | and fakeroot does that just fine |
| 03:59.05 | zu22 | Azar: me too |
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| 04:00.04 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: i thought that is what BIN = $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin; install -d $(BIN) $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin; did. so i should add DESTDIR = ... but what should that be? |
| 04:00.16 | Wyzard | Azar: "pleasing of the eye" is a valid reason to use a GUI desktop |
| 04:00.26 | distortedstar | Azar: thanks for the help. s-video out doesn't seem to be a well documented subject in general. Looks like I'll be in for some experimenting. |
| 04:00.28 | Azar | zu22: you know, the hirony is that my father tought me to stick with simple things while comes to computing, but right now he is chickening to move to linux |
| 04:00.35 | Wyzard | Azar: and I can fit a lot more on a 1680x1050 graphics display than in an 80x25 text console |
| 04:00.38 | harib0 | dondelelcaro: its ok but its in command |
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| 04:00.46 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp or $(CURDIR)/debian/yourpackagename; depending on what compatibility level you are using |
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| 04:00.55 | Azar | distortedstar: hold on a bit |
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| 04:01.23 | harib0 | for example i type a command and want the 12th line of the result of the command |
| 04:02.19 | cafuego | harib0: command | head -n 12 | tail -n 1 |
| 04:02.46 | ceeg | dondelelcaro: ahhhh, now i understand. /debian/tmp/* is the tree for all files going into the deb? |
| 04:03.03 | Azar | distortedstar: this one is for xfree86 see how you could translate for xorg: pick the general view http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9742/README/appendix-h.html |
| 04:03.11 | Robert | When doing apt-get update, I'm getting "W: GPG error: http://ftp.se.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" on a box where I installed etch (via netinst) the other day. |
| 04:03.58 | mphill | Robert, try an apt-get update |
| 04:04.21 | mphill | maybe with a us site |
| 04:04.21 | Azar | distortedstar: and this one http://mysite.verizon.net/kraussa/nvidia_linux_tv_out.html |
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| 04:04.22 | Robert | mphill: OK, will try that. |
| 04:04.22 | distortedstar | Azar: thanks! looks like some useful info. I found another how-to for an older Ubuntu distro that I may be able to tweak as well. |
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| 04:04.34 | Azar | Robert: your source is mis-spelled |
| 04:04.34 | BUMBACL0T | roof:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:04.34 | BUMBACL0T | 4.0 |
| 04:04.37 | BUMBACL0T | :/ |
| 04:05.11 | blizzow | Do I have to do anything (besides apt-get update) with my old etch (unstable) installation to make it etch (stable)? |
| 04:05.19 | Robert | Azar: How so? It was chosen via a menu in the installer. |
| 04:05.32 | harib0 | cafuego: dont working |
| 04:05.33 | dondelelcaro | ceeg: at debhelper compatibility level 1, yes. |
| 04:05.36 | Azar | Robert: from your error line looks a / is missing |
| 04:05.40 | mphill | blinx, does your sources.list say etch or testing? |
| 04:05.52 | mphill | blizzow rather |
| 04:06.08 | distortedstar | about to restart x. Later! |
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| 04:07.14 | Robert | Azar: That's just in the error message, not in the sources.list |
| 04:07.15 | blizzow | mphill: It sez etch. So I'm assuming that means I'm all set with just the standard cron based updates? |
| 04:07.28 | mphill | blizzow, yes |
| 04:08.21 | Azar | Robert: gpg is releated to the key ask dpkg; /msg dpkg etch key << in here |
| 04:08.39 | Robert | Azar: I did that already, but I already have the keyring package. |
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| 04:08.56 | Azar | Robert: can you use a paster and paste your sources so I can see? |
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| 04:09.31 | Robert | Azar: Yes, one moment, I'll try updating from ftp.debian.org to rule out any kind of mirroring weirdness. |
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| 04:09.57 | Azar | ftp.debian.org has a current bug. try other source |
| 04:09.58 | maher | i'm getting display corruption with nano - anyone esle seeing this? |
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| 04:10.03 | Robert | Heh |
| 04:10.15 | Robert | Azar: I've tried se and de.debian.org |
| 04:10.34 | Robert | Anyway, one sources.list coming right up. |
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| 04:11.02 | zu22 | i pop back and forth between consoles and X, when i do development i just stay in console |
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| 04:11.20 | Azar | Robert: .de works for me |
| 04:12.13 | Robert | Azar: http://robos.org/sources.list |
| 04:12.18 | zu22 | Azar: prosletize more effectively and he will see the light |
| 04:13.32 | Robert | Could I have gotten a temporarily bugged out keyring/gpg package when installing? |
| 04:13.47 | NathanW | my prob is this, i get grub error 17 on boot, because i changed out some of my ide drives, my debian is installed to my scsi hardware raid 5 drive, however, i removed a cdrom ide and put in a new hdd, wich started this, i know i need to boot in to the resuce mode and reconfigure/reinstall grub to solve the issue however i cant get to a promt that will let me get to rescue console, i have the minimal install cd, and hitting escape when |
| 04:14.03 | NathanW | point me in the direction of a how to please, |
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| 04:14.30 | NathanW | ive been thrue google and nothing at this point has got me to a console yet |
| 04:15.00 | dondelelcaro | NathanW: does grub start at all? |
| 04:15.28 | Azar | Robert: could you try fix this? deb http://ftp............... deb ftp://ftp..... ? |
| 04:15.28 | NathanW | ya 1.5 |
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| 04:16.14 | dondelelcaro | NathanW: ah; you should be able to boot off of the cd, mount your drive(s); chroot, and then run grub-install as appropriate |
| 04:16.39 | dondelelcaro | NathanW: the install cd will give you a console on F2 and F3 (if it's recent enough) |
| 04:16.40 | Robert | Azar: Same problem. |
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| 04:16.57 | NathanW | ok lil help maby i am totally looking over somthing but i boot off the cd it comes to boot: what do i do here to reach console so i can mount my drives? |
| 04:17.07 | dondelelcaro | NathanW: press return |
| 04:17.16 | dondelelcaro | NathanW: let the installer start, and then mount your drives at the console. |
| 04:17.17 | Azar | Robert: comment that one and try mine on both, deb ftp and deb-src ftp: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 04:17.30 | Robert | Azar: It says "unknown error executing gpgv", not that the verification failed or anything. |
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| 04:17.59 | Azar | Robert: gpgv might have to do with the keyring |
| 04:18.26 | NathanW | when i do a mount /dev/sda1 /mnt even tho i made the /mnt directory it gives me no such file or directory |
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| 04:19.41 | binskipy2u | im downloading dvd1 of deb etch |
| 04:19.47 | Azar | Robert: last try: try using "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" see what gives |
| 04:19.51 | binskipy2u | whatdo you guys think of it so far? |
| 04:19.59 | Robert | Hmm... |
| 04:20.32 | Robert | Azar: Could it be related to system time issues? This computer is a bit messed up, so timestamps may not be accurate. |
| 04:20.49 | Azar | try set your clock / date right: " gpg gpg |
| 04:20.49 | rohinton | binskipy2u: which mirror are yo uusing? The ones I am trying to connect to say they are too busy... |
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| 04:21.02 | binskipy2u | am i allowed to post a link here for a torrent ? |
| 04:21.03 | Azar | will refuse to verify things if the dates are wildly off from its conception of what the date is" |
| 04:21.24 | Azar | eewww what it come out? |
| 04:21.47 | binskipy2u | http://www.mininova.org/get/653749 |
| 04:21.51 | Azar | yeah from what I read , gpg needs right date/time |
| 04:21.55 | binskipy2u | thats the deb etch dvd1 |
| 04:22.03 | Robert | Ah, there we go. |
| 04:22.15 | Robert | Thanks for your help, anyway. |
| 04:22.35 | NathanW | would mount /dev/sda1 /mnt be the correct syntax to mount a hardware raid 5 logical scsi volume? |
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| 04:23.46 | binskipy2u | anyone have a link to a nice site to tweak etch yet? for codecs,s peed tweaks, "alt" repos? |
| 04:23.53 | binskipy2u | etc |
| 04:24.20 | cartesian1984 | I vaguely remember a dpkg option that shows things you installed via apt-get or similar - anyone know it? |
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| 04:29.34 | zu22 | dpkg -l |
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| 04:35.52 | NathanW | how do i figure out what /dev/sda or what ever is goes there so i can mount my hardware raid 5 logical scsi volume? thats got debian on it |
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| 04:36.47 | cartesian1984 | zu22: I mean a command that showed specifically things you chose to install with apt-get, not things that were installed with the system in an way. |
| 04:38.01 | BUMBACL0T | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:38.02 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
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| 04:41.57 | GhostlyDeath | There any Texas Instruments 5-in-1 card reader drivers for Linux that I can use so I don't have to use my printer to access memory cards? |
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| 04:43.29 | Guerin | !htfswk GhostlyDeath |
| 04:43.29 | dpkg | GhostlyDeath: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:44.14 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: Google! |
| 04:44.27 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: good idea. |
| 04:44.39 | Cashel | ... unless your chinese |
| 04:46.10 | Guerin | inmess my Chinese what ...? |
| 04:46.38 | Cashel | Google is a good idea... unless your Chinese.... |
| 04:46.58 | Guerin | unless my Chinese what ...? |
| 04:47.14 | Cashel | you're :P |
| 04:47.23 | Cashel | damn you |
| 04:47.24 | Cashel | lol |
| 04:47.35 | Guerin | oh, he does speak english! |
| 04:47.38 | Guerin | ;) |
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| 04:48.18 | Fighter | I LIKE SWORDS I LIKE SWORDS I LIKE SWORDS |
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| 04:48.25 | Cashel | if my brain could keep up with my my fingers I'd be happier.... |
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| 04:48.51 | Fighter | lololol |
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| 04:49.47 | Cashel | well... at least I'm not that guy |
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| 04:50.41 | centrx | swords eh |
| 04:50.42 | renovated | 1 866 436 5708 PLEASE VOTE FOR Sanjaya Malakar PLEEEEEEEASE HE MUST WIN |
| 04:51.01 | centrx | who? |
| 04:51.12 | Tallu | !ops renovated is spamming |
| 04:51.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tallu complains about: renovated is spamming |
| 04:51.12 | renovated | american ideo |
| 04:51.17 | renovated | vote for the worst |
| 04:51.23 | renovated | 1 866 436 5708 PLEASE VOTE FOR Sanjaya Malakar PLEEEEEEEASE HE MUST WIN |
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| 04:51.39 | peterS | American Idiot |
| 04:51.44 | Tallu | peterS: cheers |
| 04:51.58 | imacpr0n | ty, peterS |
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| 04:52.25 | peterS | seriously, who is promoting the vote for the worst thing, was that howard stern? |
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| 04:54.01 | markybob | peterS: yes |
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| 04:54.17 | grilled-cheese | he's spamming #linux too |
| 04:54.21 | foutrelis | Hey! :) |
| 04:54.30 | GhostlyDeath | Who the hell is Sanjaya Malakar? |
| 04:54.33 | foutrelis | I just installed Etch and I love it! ^.^ |
| 04:54.34 | peterS | there's something a bit pathetic in attempting to subvert something as harmless as a reality tv show. I mean what would that really prove? |
| 04:54.47 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: some contestant on American Idol |
| 04:55.02 | markybob | peterS: pride. make him feel like he has power to alter things |
| 04:55.27 | GhostlyDeath | peterS: what is American Idol? |
| 04:55.40 | GhostlyDeath | I'm American, am I supposed to know what it is? |
| 04:55.55 | concept10 | that is the stupid pop culture fad this year.. voting for the worse person. Most people are fickle. Fuck that show. |
| 04:56.09 | foutrelis | It's a music talent show I think |
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| 04:56.19 | concept10 | Im mad I missed the battleship show on Nova tonight |
| 04:56.32 | peterS | GhostlyDeath: TV talent show for old pop song standards. the idea is to select someone who knows how to sing on stage. contestants are eliminated each week until someone wins |
| 04:56.35 | GhostlyDeath | Nova kicks ass |
| 04:56.55 | GhostlyDeath | Educational Shows FTW! |
| 04:57.31 | foutrelis | Hmmm.. How come Etch has mp3 support out-of-the-box? O.o |
| 04:58.06 | concept10 | GhostlyDeath, yep.. you can watch a lot of Nova on Google Video for free |
| 04:58.10 | markybob | foutrelis: because the gstreamer guys are good ? |
| 04:58.22 | foutrelis | markybob: oh :) |
| 04:58.30 | GhostlyDeath | concept10: I watched Nova alot on wednesday when I had a coat hanger |
| 04:58.31 | foutrelis | They are good! :P |
| 04:58.45 | concept10 | I like to watch Nova so I can act smart when I talk to the whores on the weekends. |
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| 04:58.57 | Cashel | lol concept10 |
| 05:00.04 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 05:00.17 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys. I have a pretty badly fragmented HDD (15%)... it's formatting as ext3, and from what I've read you can't defrag ext3, only ext2. Does anyone know of any solutions apart from going ext3 -> ext2 |
| 05:00.47 | concept10 | this new delicious plug in kicks ass! the best bookmarks ever |
| 05:00.54 | GhostlyDeath | I can't watch YouTube Videos in Galeon, How the hell am I going to be part of popular culture!? Damn you Galeon and/or Linux! |
| 05:00.57 | Cashel | ArtVandalae: its already formatted or IS formatting ? |
| 05:01.19 | ArtVandalae | sorry, I meant it's already formatted as ext3 |
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| 05:01.40 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: galeon doesnt support mozilla plugins? |
| 05:01.54 | GhostlyDeath | markybob: Mozilla doesn't support flash either |
| 05:02.00 | BUMBACL0T | oh man, this thing is pissing me off, im about to do a fresh-install of 4.0 |
| 05:02.07 | imacpr0n | "Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Flash Player Installer" |
| 05:02.09 | BUMBACL0T | upgrading from sarge to it is pain in the ass |
| 05:02.10 | BUMBACL0T | :/ |
| 05:02.13 | concept10 | fix your flash plugs |
| 05:02.16 | imacpr0n | Guess no YouTube in my new Etch install |
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| 05:02.22 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.25 | markybob | you guys are all on crack |
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| 05:02.31 | markybob | flash works fine in amd64 with nspluginwrapper |
| 05:02.35 | GhostlyDeath | markybob: I don't do cocaine! |
| 05:02.44 | Fighter | everyone type /timer 0 0 /msg #debian |
| 05:02.47 | grilled-cheese | nobody but adobe supports flash, and they don't support 64 bit systems :( |
| 05:02.52 | markybob | !nspluginwrapper |
| 05:02.53 | dpkg | nspluginwrapper is, like, a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. Debian packages are available at http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 05:03.03 | imacpr0n | ty |
| 05:03.15 | Cashel | ArtVandalae: Fragmentation isnt realy a problem with ext3 normaly, its not like FAT32 or something... unless your doing something very wierd.... if your realy concerned about it you can backup / restore the partition to get rid of any fragmentation... |
| 05:03.40 | cast | grilled-cheese: ahh the crappyness of closed source eh |
| 05:03.41 | grilled-cheese | i've tried nswrapper before, but it pegs my cpu for some reason and still only half works |
| 05:03.58 | markybob | grilled-cheese: no problems here. maybe you sould try an updated version |
| 05:04.03 | GhostlyDeath | I run i386 programs on my x86_84 |
| 05:04.08 | grilled-cheese | maybe |
| 05:04.16 | GhostlyDeath | People say it's not good for your system but ... |
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| 05:05.28 | GhostlyDeath | i386 = x86 and x86_64 Partly = x86! |
| 05:05.28 | cast | GhostlyDeath: why would they say mixed mode isn't good? |
| 05:05.28 | concept10 | GhostlyDeath, its only 32 bits. Whats the difference. |
| 05:05.28 | foutrelis | Fighter: >.< |
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| 05:05.28 | GhostlyDeath | cast: I don't know |
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| 05:05.28 | foutrelis | Fighter: Stop that! |
| 05:05.28 | concept10 | Where are these idiots coming from tonight? |
| 05:05.28 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 05:05.28 | GhostlyDeath | That spam is nothing |
| 05:05.29 | GhostlyDeath | GO ON BATTLE.NET TO SEE REAL SPAM! |
| 05:05.29 | grilled-cheese | one day i'll be rich when i perfect my invention to stab people in the face over the internet |
| 05:05.30 | Cashel | .ignore fighter |
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| 05:05.40 | markybob | and ghostlydeath while you're at it |
| 05:05.45 | concept10 | peterS, im surprised you didnt catch him earlier |
| 05:06.17 | peterS | concept10: I saw the first long line he posted, but it looked almost as though it could be a cut/paste mishap. so I waited for the second |
| 05:06.59 | GhostlyDeath | I cry at the sight of .RPMs! ='( |
| 05:07.19 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: because you dont know how to use alien, or what? |
| 05:07.21 | concept10 | I hate these kids today. Pasting chain letters and other stupid stuff screws up the web. I think you should be 18 before you may use the internet. |
| 05:07.41 | grilled-cheese | not 18 |
| 05:07.52 | Cashel | I know adults who are worse... it should go by IQ not age... |
| 05:07.54 | grilled-cheese | you should have to apply for a license every year |
| 05:07.54 | concept10 | drivers license, internet and then beer |
| 05:07.55 | peterS | there are plenty of morons over 18 on the internet |
| 05:07.57 | GhostlyDeath | markybob: I don't like aliens |
| 05:08.11 | GhostlyDeath | They are draining the economy! |
| 05:08.22 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: dont get political in here, please |
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| 05:11.14 | GhostlyDeath | Don't fail me bash! I need your autocompletion for long filenames! |
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| 05:11.48 | triplc | in order to get apache2 to run https, what additional things i have to do? i have a computer which is upgrade from sarge and https just continue to work. however with this newly installed etch, i cannot find /etc/apache2/ssl, where it is supposed to create certificated... can you please tell me that whhat additional package i need to install beside apache2 (in sarge, installing apache2 is sufficient, it required only some settup to enable https) |
| 05:11.56 | concept10 | GhostlyDeath, what you need is zsh |
| 05:12.01 | mzilikazi | any idea what pkg provides gtk-update-icon-cache & update-desktop-database ? |
| 05:12.03 | GhostlyDeath | zsh? |
| 05:12.32 | GhostlyDeath | I don't need a new login shell |
| 05:12.34 | triplc | i seach all apache2 related packages, but could not find ssl module |
| 05:12.54 | triplc | (apache1 has apache-ssl module... but i think apache2 do not have that) |
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| 05:13.07 | concept10 | zsh completes every thing |
| 05:13.07 | markybob | triplc: that's because it's built in. apache2 doesnt have a separate one |
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| 05:13.45 | triplc | markybob: yeah... i think apache2 has ssl built in... i think it was like that in sarge... just add config and it run |
| 05:14.10 | concept10 | apt-ca<tab> se<tab> gst<tab> shows all sorts of packages (apt-cache search gstreamer) |
| 05:14.16 | markybob | triplc: so your problem is what? need to add 443 in your ports.conf? need to a2enmod ssl still? are you getting an error? |
| 05:14.17 | triplc | markybob: but with etch, i cannot find /etc/apache2/ssl -- the place for cert |
| 05:14.35 | atrus | any way to change my bts email address, so any updates on bugs i've filed go to my new address? |
| 05:15.25 | markybob | triplc: this could help http://www.debianadmin.com/install-and-configure-apache2-with-php5-and-ssl-support-in-debian-etch.html |
| 05:15.37 | triplc | markybob: my problem is that i used to go to /etc/apache2/ssl, then run apache2-ssl-certificate to create self-signed cert, then go to /etc/apache2/ports.conf to open ports, and that's all |
| 05:16.06 | triplc | markybob: (of course, i need to add some directive in config file to enable https, but i did not need to install anything) |
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| 05:16.26 | markybob | triplc: take a look at that link. should explain everything |
| 05:16.41 | triplc | markybob: however, whith this etch, i do not even see /etc/apache2/ssl, so i am stuck: cannot create cert |
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| 05:17.00 | markybob | triplc: ...look at the link i sent you... :) |
| 05:17.09 | cast | alright, how do i run aptitude install gnome-terminal without installing smbclient? aptitude install gnome-terminal smbclient= or - doesn't do it :\ |
| 05:17.39 | GhostlyDeath | SO after I nstall the plug-ins, Galeon will play flasg files? |
| 05:18.06 | squisher | cast: just use apt-get install gnome-terminal |
| 05:18.28 | cast | squisher: but that installs smbclient. |
| 05:18.34 | harib0 | there is a command who give the number of result on locate command ?? |
| 05:18.42 | cast | harib0: |wc -l |
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| 05:19.09 | triplc | thanks markybob , i'm following it (so it's a bit different from sarge) |
| 05:19.09 | squisher | cast: note that I'm not using aptitude, but apt-get. I doubt gnome-terminal depends on smbclient. |
| 05:19.33 | cast | squisher: ahh. well apt-get isn't the same as aptitude, i'm asking a aptitude question :) |
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| 05:20.24 | squisher | cast: Ok, sorry, don't know then |
| 05:20.30 | GhostlyDeath | Isn't .rpm also used by RealPlayer? |
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| 05:20.44 | xjkx | is visual editor, of eclipse, on apt-get? |
| 05:21.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info eclipse |
| 05:21.10 | dpkg | eclipse: (Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 05:21.12 | dalias | hey is there any nice non-gnome/kde pdf viewer? |
| 05:21.13 | hark | cast: -R |
| 05:21.23 | dondelelcaro | dalias: xpdf |
| 05:21.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell xjkx -about pdo |
| 05:21.38 | dalias | i'm quite familiar with xpdf, it's hardly nice tho |
| 05:21.44 | dalias | for instance it has major i18n bugs |
| 05:21.50 | dondelelcaro | it's actually the best that I'm aware of |
| 05:22.14 | BUMBACL0T | how can i search if something is installed with aptitude ? |
| 05:22.15 | dalias | if the pathname/filename is non-ascii, it fills the window titlebar with junk |
| 05:22.21 | dalias | also i've experienced fairly bad rendering with it |
| 05:22.29 | dondelelcaro | dalias: that has little to do with xpdf, and more to do with your window manager. |
| 05:22.44 | xjkx | dondelelcaro, i didnt find on apt-cache so i think its not in pdo :> do you know how i can install this visual editor? |
| 05:22.46 | dondelelcaro | and moreover, almost all of the other pdf viewers either use evince or xpdf's rendering libraries |
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| 05:22.54 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: uh... it is indeed on pdo. |
| 05:23.09 | TraceGreen | Hello, although i set quiet splash=silent, there are some error message when boot kernel, how can i hide these error message? |
| 05:23.14 | cast | hark: but that will cause aptitude to remove pkgs that had previously been installed due to a recommend, wont it? i kind of want a one off install gnome-terminal without recommends |
| 05:23.14 | GhostlyDeath | How do I force architectures in alien? |
| 05:23.18 | squisher | dalias: have you tried using just gv? |
| 05:23.55 | dalias | gv has the same problems and often spams error dialog boxes from gs interpreter :( |
| 05:24.12 | cast | hark: rather than install gnome-terminal without recommends, and remove every pkg on the system installed due to a recommend. least thats how i remember aptitudes behavior as being |
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| 05:25.47 | dondelelcaro | cast: so install it, and don't install the recommends. |
| 05:25.58 | dondelelcaro | cast: it's pretty trivial to do it using the curses ui |
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| 05:26.56 | cast | dondelelcaro: i can indeed do it with the ncurses ui, maybe the heart of the problem is that aptitude install pkg1- pkg2+ pkg3= osmt |
| 05:27.03 | cast | isn't working as i expect it to |
| 05:27.30 | cast | one would think aptitude install gnome-terminal+ smbclient- wouldn't install smbclient, for instance |
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| 05:27.39 | squisher | dalias: you can always just use the nonfree... not pretty, but doesn't have depends, I'm sure |
| 05:27.57 | dondelelcaro | cast: no, it'd remove smbclient |
| 05:28.08 | dalias | what some adobe shit? |
| 05:28.12 | dalias | that's 100000000000000000000x worse |
| 05:28.24 | dondelelcaro | well, xpdf is the best there is. If there are problems with it, file them. |
| 05:28.31 | xjkx | dondelelcaro, i think its not there, i looked for "eclipse" and "visual editor" |
| 05:28.50 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: I guarantee that it is there. Try again. |
| 05:29.01 | squisher | dalias: :-) I was curious, did a little search and came across http://trac.emma-soft.com/epdfview/ ... sounds like what you're looking for, don't know how far development is though |
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| 05:29.36 | xjkx | dondelelcaro, it doesnt let me look for visual editor, it says "Error: keyword not valid or missing" |
| 05:29.46 | dalias | squisher, :) |
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| 05:30.11 | adu | hello? |
| 05:30.14 | aarm_ | hi |
| 05:30.18 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: visit http://packages.debian.org/eclipse; and be enlightened. |
| 05:30.20 | cast | dondelelcaro: well it installs smbclient for me :\ using = doesn't help either |
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| 05:30.54 | adu | i thought i heard my name |
| 05:30.57 | aarm_ | Hey just noticed webmin was just obsoleted in etch...not that I've used it but what's a suitable replacement for that? |
| 05:30.59 | dondelelcaro | cast: = just puts it on hold; doesn't have anything to do with that either. You want aptitdue --schedule-only install gnome-terminal; aptitdue --schedule-only install smbclient-; or similar. |
| 05:31.03 | adu | n/m |
| 05:31.21 | dondelelcaro | aarm_: ssh+sudo+editor |
| 05:31.26 | dondelelcaro | (and the other command line tools) |
| 05:31.32 | hark | cast: yeah, that behavior is global unfortunately.. |
| 05:31.42 | aarm_ | dondelelcaro: that's what I've been doing in the past just noticed and was curious |
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| 05:32.12 | cast | dondelelcaro: hmmm, thanks :) |
| 05:32.24 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty much because no developer wants to put up with the bugginess and overall problems inherit in webmin (and other similar "conffile" editing programs) |
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| 05:32.58 | aarm_ | makes sense....It didn't really make it any easier |
| 05:33.15 | xjkx | dondelelcaro, i know debian has eclipse, it doesnt have is visual editor, its a plugin |
| 05:33.20 | aarm_ | thanks donde |
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| 05:33.43 | aarm_ | donde es tu caro? |
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| 05:34.15 | DaveLib | hello for months now i have been running aptitude tracking "testing" so until April 8 i was running etch i haven't updated since the etch release i am thinking of staying with "testing" are there any special problems with doing my first aptitude update/upgrade tracking "testing" after the etch release? |
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| 05:34.44 | dondelelcaro | actually, it's --without-recommends that would really do it. |
| 05:34.45 | DocPlatypus | DaveLib: edit your sources.list to track "etch" instead of "testing". you'll get a bunch of errors the first time about missing lists |
| 05:35.16 | DocPlatypus | just update and you'll be good. also you should make sure you are tracking security updates since etch is now stable not testing |
| 05:35.20 | dondelelcaro | DaveLib: nope; you'll just have packages to update to |
| 05:35.41 | DaveLib | Doc: ok but i wanted to be still following the new testing not frozen into the released etch ie keep gwetting the newer stuff after etch |
| 05:35.56 | NathanW | question, i'm booting with install i have a ibm hardware raid controler card running 3 drives configured in to one raid 5 drive, i installed debian on that then my 40gig ide drive mbr had grub, i changed the configuration of the ide drives thus grub gives error 17 at 1.5, ive booted the installer gotten to # prompt at teh ctrl+alt+F2 and now cant do a mount /dev/sda /mnt says failed no such file or directory, so what can i do to get m |
| 05:36.05 | DocPlatypus | DaveLib: oh. in that case never mind. I would change them to "lenny" then |
| 05:36.30 | DocPlatypus | same drill as above |
| 05:36.32 | DaveLib | is "lenny" preferred over "testing" ? |
| 05:36.48 | dondelelcaro | DaveLib: the question is whether you want to continue to track testing, or track lenny. |
| 05:36.56 | harib0 | how can i have file size in Mo like this 321.23 for example ? |
| 05:36.58 | DaveLib | track testing i think |
| 05:37.03 | dondelelcaro | DaveLib: when you know the answer to that question, you'll know which you want. |
| 05:37.07 | DocPlatypus | DaveLib: it is best to track distributions by name since apparently testing now gets its next name as stable the same day of a release |
| 05:37.35 | harib0 | du give but not in correct format |
| 05:37.35 | DocPlatypus | I, personally, am going to stick with etch for a while |
| 05:37.36 | DaveLib | but i was just curious if there are soecial bugs when the relaeases change |
| 05:37.37 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: it's not a case of "best"; it's a case of what you want to track. |
| 05:37.46 | dondelelcaro | DaveLib: nope |
| 05:37.56 | DaveLib | this the first new release since i started using debian |
| 05:37.59 | DocPlatypus | DaveLib: this isn't OpenBSD :-) |
| 05:38.00 | dondelelcaro | there really isn't much special about a release; the symlinks change, and etch is copied to lenny. |
| 05:38.05 | DocPlatypus | so no, no real gotchas like that |
| 05:38.10 | BUMBACL0T | anyone know why im gettin this error, im running etch: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6036 |
| 05:38.12 | DaveLib | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:38.24 | hark | dondelelcaro: that --without-recommends removes all packages installed as recommends (the default behavior).. unless you mark them differently i suppose |
| 05:38.36 | DocPlatypus | and I like the way it's done now, where testing is now given a name... very nice touch |
| 05:38.51 | dondelelcaro | hark: not if you're just installing a single package. |
| 05:38.58 | DocPlatypus | have we settled into a cycle of a release about once every 2-3 years? |
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| 05:39.23 | DocPlatypus | granted, that seems to work for Microsoft... but I have to wonder if it's the best for us |
| 05:39.31 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: we almost definetly won't release faster than 1 year. |
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| 05:39.52 | DaveLib | docplatypus: what did you mean; testing gets its next name as stable the same day of a release ? |
| 05:39.59 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: that I can understand. sometimes OpenBSD's "box up -current and release it every 6 months" approach doesn't work that well |
| 05:40.47 | DocPlatypus | DaveLib: until halfway through the sarge era, you couldn't refer to testing as etch, you had to explicitly track testing |
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| 05:40.53 | GhostlyDeath | There any star viewing programs in the debian repository? |
| 05:40.57 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: uh... no. |
| 05:41.10 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: I'm wrong...? |
| 05:41.15 | CaT[tm] | very |
| 05:41.16 | DocPlatypus | at least I don't remember that you could |
| 05:41.21 | CaT[tm] | testing was etch |
| 05:41.24 | CaT[tm] | now testing is lenny |
| 05:41.25 | Azar | DaveLib: you might want to wait with updates for a while... say a week... keep "testing" I am not sure if lenny is still recognized by apt |
| 05:41.27 | dondelelcaro | etch existed before the symlinks were moved over |
| 05:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Azar: doesn't have anything to do with apt |
| 05:41.47 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: and my understanding is that was never done for sarge or woody |
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| 05:41.54 | Azar | dondelelcaro: is there a "lenny" repository? |
| 05:41.57 | DaveLib | i use aptitude |
| 05:41.57 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes. |
| 05:41.59 | DocPlatypus | if it was, I'll be damned if I ever heard of it. |
| 05:42.05 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah nice |
| 05:42.28 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: it was done for sarge and woody. At the time that potato released, it wasn't done, but that's because testing didn't exist then. |
| 05:42.39 | Azar | DaveLib: cool, keep using it then |
| 05:42.44 | DocPlatypus | do I ever feel like a donkey. |
| 05:43.06 | CaT[tm] | i can't believe I haven't shifted to etch yet for my desktop |
| 05:43.33 | dalias | dondelelcaro, the bug is NOT a window manager bug. all other apps display titles correctly |
| 05:43.37 | DaveLib | ok so i guess i will go do aptitude update upgrade with my current tracking of 'testing" |
| 05:43.46 | dalias | there are plenty of broken window managers that ignore character encoding, but sawfish is not one of them |
| 05:43.48 | dondelelcaro | dalias: then file a bug against xpdf |
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| 05:44.06 | NathanW | a m i missing somthing in that or? |
| 05:44.12 | dondelelcaro | complaining to me isn't going to help |
| 05:44.14 | dalias | dondelelcaro, the comments for bug number 391381 seem to already mention it |
| 05:44.30 | DaveLib | thanks all |
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| 05:44.57 | nanotube | this is a mistery... suddenly my system does not see my /dev/hdb burner ... the burner device is fine because I did check it with other system...any idea? |
| 05:45.10 | DocPlatypus | nanotube: is there a /dev/hda? |
| 05:45.10 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; welcome to the fun of lesstiff |
| 05:45.22 | dalias | dondelelcaro, indeed... such crap.. |
| 05:45.30 | nanotube | also bios reports correct values.. |
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| 05:45.48 | dondelelcaro | in any event, the actual rendering bits of xpdf are fairly reasonable; but if you don't like it, try something that's built off of libpoppler |
| 05:45.56 | Azar | nanotube: do you see it in fstab? |
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| 05:46.05 | dondelelcaro | (that's basically xpdf's renderer ripped out (iirc) with other frontends on top.) |
| 05:46.28 | nanotube | DocPlatypus: yes it is...everything is working fone... |
| 05:46.59 | nanotube | Azar: fstab? not sure if that helps... the block device in /dev/ does not exists |
| 05:47.05 | DocPlatypus | nanotube: could be cabling, or that you're relying on cable select when it doesn't work reliably on your system and you just now found it out |
| 05:47.13 | dalias | dondelelcaro, yes, someone just mentioned epdfview earlier |
| 05:47.14 | honslo | running etch, intend to use ekiga for videoconferencing. which webcam to buy? |
| 05:47.40 | dondelelcaro | evince is another example. |
| 05:48.11 | dalias | evince is what i'm using now. it works but it's extremely large and slow |
| 05:48.16 | Azar | dondelelcaro: is there a way to check which modules/devices a kernel supports? |
| 05:48.26 | hark | dondelelcaro: well, i tried it out, seems that for a single package as well, -R will remove recommends. Also, #143532 does explain the behavior. |
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| 05:48.28 | nanotube | DocPlatypus: this is puzzle..I swera I wos burning dvd's jus while ago.. this is primary slave and bios got no problem with it :-)) |
| 05:48.35 | BUMBACL0T | ok, im doing a fresh-install instead, im on the boot menu, should i just press enter or type in "2.6" ? |
| 05:48.53 | hark | dalias: fwiw, evince is actually pretty good |
| 05:48.58 | Azar | BUMBACL0T: what are you installing? |
| 05:49.10 | BUMBACL0T | Azar, etch |
| 05:49.13 | dalias | evince also annoys me that you can't quit with the 'q' key |
| 05:49.29 | dalias | it has some silly mac-inspired ^W to quit |
| 05:49.31 | hark | use ctrl + w ;) |
| 05:49.42 | Azar | BUMBACL0T: guide here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
| 05:49.56 | hark | that's pretty much Gnome behavior |
| 05:50.00 | nanotube | BUMBACL0T: press F3 and F4 for boot options.. |
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| 05:50.43 | dondelelcaro | hark: hrm... well, that leaves doing it the way that I described using --schedule-only, unfortunatly. |
| 05:50.44 | dalias | yes, despicable gnome behavior because it causes your app to exit when you try to kill previous word... |
| 05:50.57 | Azar | Etch is coming with 2.6.18 by default, no need to select 2.6 like you did in Sarge installer |
| 05:50.59 | nanotube | DocPlatypus: i'm going to try with some other cable... thanks for tip... |
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| 05:51.29 | dondelelcaro | dalias: well, that's pretty much why I use xpdf. I know it has bugs, but it (so far) sucks the least. |
| 05:51.31 | hark | dalias: heh, that's always fun ;) |
| 05:52.22 | honslo | i am using kernel 2.7.18 and i have installed ekiga. do i have video4linux then? |
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| 05:53.16 | dalias | of course xpdf isn't very clean because it uses motif :P |
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| 05:53.33 | honslo | sorry, its 2.6.17 |
| 05:53.44 | dondelelcaro | lestif, actually... |
| 05:53.44 | dalias | uhg i have headache :( |
| 05:53.44 | harib0 | its possible to get size of file with 1 number after . ?? like 268.3Mo ??? |
| 05:53.46 | hark | honslo: depends on your config for that kernel.. CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L i recall |
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| 05:53.51 | dalias | i think i'm going to bed |
| 05:53.54 | dalias | thanks for the ideas |
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| 05:54.13 | honslo | hark: ok. you using any webcam? |
| 05:54.24 | imacpr0n | Couldn't get nspluginwrapper to install libflashplayer.so. It said "no appropriate viewer found..." |
| 05:54.55 | imacpr0n | I installed the viewer, and can see it in about:plugins in mozilla |
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| 05:55.38 | honslo | no ones uses webcam here? :P |
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| 05:55.57 | hark | honslo: yeah, i have one.. not much used though |
| 05:56.04 | Azar | dondelelcaro: :) /.-isms: "They did actually intend to release it on April 1st, but it got delayed ..." |
| 05:56.11 | honslo | hark: brand? |
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| 05:56.24 | xjkx | sry if its off topic but i installed visual editor and i dont know how to call it :> people on #eclipse are sleeping |
| 05:56.44 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 05:56.45 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 05:57.07 | xjkx | omg dpkg is configured to everything |
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| 06:02.35 | hark | it uses the spca5xx driver |
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| 06:03.19 | peterS | xjkx: seriously, to find out how to call a binary from a package you've installed, try 'dpkg -L packagename | grep bin/' |
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| 06:04.41 | The_Ball | Does anybody know of a utility to decode mime quoted-printable into normal text? |
| 06:06.16 | peterS | The_Ball: mime-codecs |
| 06:06.42 | DocPlatypus | ah, good old MIME quoted-unreadable |
| 06:06.50 | peterS | The_Ball: ...specifically the 'qp-decode' binary from that package |
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| 06:07.13 | The_Ball | peterS, thanks alot :) |
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| 06:11.53 | GhostlyDeath | !defrag |
| 06:11.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 06:12.56 | hon | !exim |
| 06:12.56 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 06:13.14 | hon | !exim4 |
| 06:13.14 | dpkg | it has been said that exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 06:13.19 | GhostlyDeath | !ext4 |
| 06:13.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with ext3, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. |
| 06:13.21 | EdLin | hon: msg the bots |
| 06:13.25 | EdLin | GhostlyDeath: you to |
| 06:13.29 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 06:13.29 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 06:13.42 | hon | sure, sorry for the noise |
| 06:13.51 | GhostlyDeath | I'm not abusing the bots, I gathering information |
| 06:14.03 | EdLin | GhostlyDeath: you can do the same thing with /msg |
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| 06:16.40 | Azar | you could use /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 06:17.00 | Azar | misterrr peterS! hello |
| 06:17.17 | Techdeck | Hmmm, what are these mysql-server upgrades that I see every week? |
| 06:17.23 | Techdeck | (in etch) |
| 06:17.26 | Techdeck | is there something wrong? |
| 06:17.40 | Azar | bugs squashed |
| 06:17.54 | peterS | Techdeck: I predict that you will no longer see any mysql-server updates in etch every week. since etch is, you know, stable. |
| 06:18.09 | Techdeck | oops |
| 06:18.09 | peterS | as for whether there's something wrong with mysql, well, that's a bit of a loaded question |
| 06:18.14 | Techdeck | I mean testing |
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| 06:19.01 | Techdeck | every week there's a new upgrade for mysql-server and every week it freaks me out :p |
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| 06:19.39 | markybob | so use stable like you're supposed to for things that matter |
| 06:19.43 | Techdeck | mysql-server 5.0 to be exact |
| 06:20.00 | Techdeck | markybob, last time I checked stable didn't have mysql5 support |
| 06:20.08 | peterS | Techdeck: you didn't check very recently then |
| 06:20.10 | haggz | techdeck: does now |
| 06:20.12 | Techdeck | and unless there is a way to downgrade I can't |
| 06:20.14 | markybob | Techdeck: check again |
| 06:20.14 | Techdeck | :( |
| 06:20.17 | peterS | Techdeck: stable has had mysql5 support for the past 3 days |
| 06:20.20 | Techdeck | now I can't |
| 06:20.25 | Techdeck | ah |
| 06:20.27 | Techdeck | doh |
| 06:20.27 | hon | I often trust what debian maintainers choose, so I am wandering if exim4 is a good and recommended mail transfer agent. Currently I am choosing the tools for handling emails, so I am curious what you use as a your email "toolchain" |
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| 06:21.10 | Techdeck | so what about mysql-server upgrades every week? |
| 06:21.13 | peterS | Techdeck: (note that the definition of 'stable' changed 3 days ago, in case this conversation has been confusing to you. before, it meant debian 3.1 "sarge", now it means debian 4.0 "etch".) |
| 06:21.14 | Techdeck | any thoughts about that? |
| 06:21.23 | sep | hon, exim4 is quite sane as a default MTA yes |
| 06:21.26 | BUMBACL0T | does "/" have to have a bootable flag? |
| 06:21.30 | Techdeck | peterS, ahhh, that explains it |
| 06:21.31 | markybob | Techdeck: it's testing. it's supposed to be updating all the time |
| 06:21.32 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: not in general |
| 06:21.39 | markybob | Techdeck: what part of that dont you get? |
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| 06:21.50 | Techdeck | yeah but did anything major get fixed? or is it just a routinal upgrade? |
| 06:22.01 | markybob | Techdeck: check the changelogs if you care that much |
| 06:22.09 | peterS | Techdeck: why don't you read the f*ing /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/changelog.Debian.gz for yourself? |
| 06:22.17 | Techdeck | relax, I will |
| 06:22.21 | Techdeck | that's all I wanted :p |
| 06:22.40 | markybob | fuck. i hope you're not in charge of anything important |
| 06:22.46 | peterS | Techdeck: right, all packages have Debian changelogs in that location, a useful thing to know |
| 06:23.08 | Techdeck | thanks |
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| 06:23.58 | eshaase | wahts a good graphical diff program? |
| 06:24.35 | Techdeck | eshaase, kompare is okay |
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| 06:24.57 | eshaase | Techdeck: yuck, 10 dependencies |
| 06:24.59 | eshaase | any others? |
| 06:25.06 | Techdeck | fldiff? |
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| 06:25.18 | eshaase | how i can't find xdiff? |
| 06:25.30 | hon | I am trying to get my grip on gnus (fetching), gnus (reading, managing), and gnus (sending). Before finding my path through configurations, I really would like to hear your recommendations. Especially, is it better to use e.g. [fetchmail+local reader+exim4] or a single all in one application? |
| 06:25.36 | Techdeck | try fldiff eshaase |
| 06:25.37 | haggz | eshaase: try xxdiff? |
| 06:25.37 | peterS | eshaase: did you try the obvious? "apt-cache search xdiff" |
| 06:26.25 | eshaase | peterS: let me give it a shot =) |
| 06:27.12 | hon | eshaase: you should apt-cache search before searching in google, and before asking others ;) |
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| 06:30.47 | harib0 | anyone knows how can i get the bitrate of video file ?? |
| 06:31.12 | haggz | Now that Google is so important, you occasionally get the "Google infinite regress" -- when you google a question, and get linked to someone's forum post asking about it -- and the answer they got is "google it". |
| 06:31.17 | markybob | harib0: load it up in mplayer? or xine-ui and ctrl+i |
| 06:31.34 | harib0 | i have only access to the shell |
| 06:31.43 | BUMBACL0T | is popularity-contest necessary? |
| 06:31.47 | markybob | mplayer should still tell you what it is |
| 06:31.52 | imacpr0n | my apt-get appears to have switched to 32-bit mode. I have a 64-bit system. It's finding 32-bit dependencies now |
| 06:31.55 | markybob | BUMBACL0T: no |
| 06:32.04 | BUMBACL0T | thanks |
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| 06:32.40 | harib0 | yes but i have error because there is no screen with mplayer |
| 06:32.48 | hark | harib0: file too, maybe |
| 06:33.09 | harib0 | there is no the bitrate with file |
| 06:33.35 | harib0 | i have bitrate with ffmpeg but i dont arrive to get the line with bitrate in script :s |
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| 06:34.29 | jetscreamer | you guys are weird |
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| 06:34.44 | jetscreamer | just thought i'd mention that |
| 06:34.56 | markybob | harib0: you're using mplayer-nogui, right? i just tried and it does give bitrate before erroring out when it came find a screen |
| 06:35.04 | hark | !aww |
| 06:35.04 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 06:35.30 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 06:35.37 | militant | wtf, suddenly gaim is just randomly dying. this will be fun to investigate |
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| 06:35.52 | harib0 | yes markybob but how to insert in a script |
| 06:35.55 | Azar | gaim was renamed |
| 06:36.04 | militant | uh |
| 06:36.04 | militant | i know |
| 06:36.07 | militant | but i'm running *gaim* |
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| 06:36.19 | militant | the version prior to the name-change |
| 06:36.23 | loserbar | are you using the new 2.0 beta? |
| 06:36.24 | Ramattack | when you have installed a debian system on a dual core machine... if you later take that disk and go to another PIV non dual core... why is detecting me 2 cpus? |
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| 06:36.43 | valdyn | Ramattack: hyperthreading? |
| 06:36.46 | markybob | harib0: next time, say exactly what you want. dont just say bitrate of a video when you wanna make a fucking script to get it |
| 06:36.54 | Ramattack | yep |
| 06:36.55 | jetscreamer | there is no gaim |
| 06:37.01 | Ramattack | the installation machine is HT |
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| 06:37.06 | jetscreamer | gaim is renamed |
| 06:37.09 | Azar | valdyn: good thing you brought it up: how is Etch doing on a PC with hyperthreading? |
| 06:37.14 | militant | christ |
| 06:37.15 | militant | I KNOW |
| 06:37.17 | militant | everyone says it |
| 06:37.19 | loserbar | hahahaha |
| 06:37.19 | valdyn | Ramattack: that's 2 cpu for any OS |
| 06:37.21 | militant | but MINE is labeled GAIM |
| 06:37.23 | harib0 | dont be nervous guy loll |
| 06:37.23 | militant | get over it :D |
| 06:37.27 | Azar | militant: then install the new named gaim |
| 06:37.29 | loserbar | hey militant did you hear about gaim? |
| 06:37.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:37.40 | militant | eh |
| 06:37.45 | loserbar | yeah they changed it |
| 06:37.56 | Azar | ..to some other funky name |
| 06:37.57 | militant | is there a pidgin package yet |
| 06:37.57 | jetscreamer | !gaim |
| 06:37.58 | dpkg | hmm... gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 06:37.59 | valdyn | Azar: no idea, nvr had it |
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| 06:38.00 | Ramattack | valdyn : Hyperthreading machines are 2 cpus for all os? although they arent dual core? |
| 06:38.01 | markybob | harib0: i'm not nervous. i get pissed when people make me go in circles and waste my time because they cant ask what they really want. it's annoying as hell |
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| 06:38.10 | valdyn | Ramattack: right |
| 06:38.11 | loserbar | i dont think so militant |
| 06:38.18 | Azar | valdyn: ok I will see how the install goes on my new box.. |
| 06:38.19 | militant | ok so i'll run gaim. |
| 06:38.20 | militant | shrug |
| 06:38.29 | Ramattack | valdyn : and when they're dual core then how does it behave? |
| 06:38.40 | Ramattack | the os what to say... detects too 2 cpu? |
| 06:38.42 | loserbar | im kind of excited to see some new changes, gaim is a good program |
| 06:38.45 | harib0 | but if you have a correct command its easy to insert into a script before :) |
| 06:39.00 | valdyn | Ramattack: ht is the same as dual core, for an OS |
| 06:39.01 | harib0 | *after sorry |
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| 06:39.04 | chowmeined | a multithreaded program doesnt have to be specially written to support multiple processors? I dont think it does but I have heard it before.. |
| 06:39.14 | militant | ok |
| 06:39.21 | militant | nothing at all in /var/log |
| 06:39.22 | valdyn | Ramattack: for the user, in ht, loading one cpu slows down the other |
| 06:39.23 | Azar | Ramattack: the installation's kernel auto detects what hardware you are using, move the HD to another PC and watch it confusing |
| 06:39.47 | Ramattack | Azar : and how could I avoid that confising? |
| 06:39.50 | Thms | jetscreamer: gaim is now ended, it has changed the name because of AIM (AOL ... ...) |
| 06:39.53 | militant | oh |
| 06:39.58 | militant | it is the 2.0beta5 |
| 06:39.59 | militant | wth |
| 06:40.01 | Ramattack | is it any way?? |
| 06:40.12 | jetscreamer | i heard yes a program must actually take advantage of multiple threading or whatever |
| 06:40.19 | jetscreamer | in the code.. but i dunno |
| 06:40.21 | Ramattack | for reconfiguring that? |
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| 06:40.45 | markybob | damn |
| 06:40.46 | loserbar | aw boot |
| 06:40.49 | jetscreamer | Thms: i don't think militant heard, you'd better make sure... |
| 06:40.58 | Azar | Ramattack: dunno I would think about and get creative: if kernel 2.6.18 installed modules for this hardware ----- how would I deal to make it see the new hardware ? (the rules of 3 simple) |
| 06:41.02 | valdyn | jetscreamer: sure, but any server software is at least multithreaded if not multiple processes |
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| 06:41.03 | Thms | jetscreamer: I ma sure sure sure sure ;) |
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| 06:41.26 | DocPlatypus | nice |
| 06:41.26 | militant | what's ... HEH nice spam |
| 06:41.27 | militant | wtf |
| 06:41.27 | Azar | we are going down let's move to oftc |
| 06:41.38 | Thms | jetscreamer: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ look at this it is a redirection to the new name ;) |
| 06:41.41 | Ramattack | Azar : but modules are all there... you could use it or not... isn't it? |
| 06:41.41 | Azar | thats not spam is a warning |
| 06:41.47 | RichiH | dunno how anyone would be so stupid as to assume that works.. |
| 06:41.53 | rissy | Ziandia? |
| 06:41.59 | militant | hrhr |
| 06:42.31 | Ramattack | or is kernel during installation configure some files for those kernel modules? |
| 06:42.31 | RichiH | Azar: so you are saying you are related to the spammer? |
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| 06:42.31 | Azar | RichiH: I thought it was a server note |
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| 06:42.31 | Thms | did you see jetscreamer ? |
| 06:42.34 | RichiH | Azar: definately not. |
| 06:42.34 | jetscreamer | omg militant look! http://www.pidgin.im/ |
| 06:42.35 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:42.40 | Azar | RichiH: oh I fell for it |
| 06:42.53 | militant | ok |
| 06:42.54 | militant | so wtf |
| 06:42.58 | militant | nothing in logs |
| 06:43.00 | Thms | jetscreamer: :D |
| 06:43.03 | militant | it's newest version |
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| 06:43.07 | militant | uh |
| 06:43.33 | Thms | and new name |
| 06:43.33 | militant | how do i force a fresh install? |
| 06:43.33 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:43.33 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 06:43.33 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 06:43.33 | jetscreamer | of what |
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| 06:43.33 | jetscreamer | gaim? just remove --purge it, then reinstall |
| 06:44.02 | militant | fuck |
| 06:44.05 | militant | i had it nicely customized |
| 06:44.11 | Ramattack | Valdyn Azar : normally and of course if you haven't compiled a kernel for you're own processor and using os standard kernel... this kernel should work on several machines isn't it? |
| 06:44.13 | jetscreamer | you might wanna mv ~/.gaim or so |
| 06:44.26 | jetscreamer | yes Ramattack |
| 06:44.36 | militant | nah |
| 06:44.41 | militant | think it might be a config file itself |
| 06:44.41 | militant | so |
| 06:44.42 | Ramattack | so? why could be happening this? |
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| 06:44.45 | jetscreamer | militant: it won't remove the stuff in ~ |
| 06:44.50 | militant | oh |
| 06:44.50 | militant | ok |
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| 06:45.10 | jetscreamer | in/under whatever |
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| 06:45.57 | militant | all reinstalled |
| 06:45.59 | militant | let's try this |
| 06:46.00 | jetscreamer | god i need sleep |
| 06:46.09 | jetscreamer | but i just got home |
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| 06:46.30 | beanz | Where can I find ip_conntrack in etch 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 06:46.39 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 06:46.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 06:46.40 | beanz | Has it been replaced? |
| 06:46.53 | Ramattack | beanz in netfilter suppose.... |
| 06:47.02 | beanz | p.d.o has no entry.. |
| 06:47.09 | jetscreamer | phht |
| 06:47.12 | Azar | Ramattack: I never tried to move a HD with Debian installed from one PC to another, but I would assume if hardware and cpu architecture are not the same , the kernel could/should? be changed to the right cpu arch |
| 06:47.37 | markybob | beanz: it's a kernel module. it's where you'd expect it to be. /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
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| 06:47.50 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: you should be able to move your hd from machine to machine with ease |
| 06:47.57 | Ramattack | I have done... |
| 06:47.59 | beanz | markybob: hm, strange |
| 06:48.02 | Azar | Ramattack: also assuming the original PC runs ATI, and the other runs nVidia.... , and so on.. |
| 06:48.13 | beanz | markybob: modprobe couldn't find it until now |
| 06:48.16 | Ramattack | but I wanted to approach HT on tech |
| 06:48.16 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: you might get a problem if there is >1 hd controller |
| 06:48.17 | markybob | beanz: no, it's not. what's strange is that you dont know you're looking for a module |
| 06:48.19 | beanz | markybob: it works :) *confused* |
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| 06:48.33 | Azar | yeah the HD controllers too |
| 06:48.34 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: any etch kernel is smp enabled |
| 06:48.35 | beanz | markybob: nope, i know it's a module alright |
| 06:49.03 | militant | goddamnit |
| 06:49.06 | militant | er sorry |
| 06:49.09 | jetscreamer | oh, i didn't know it was a module :/ |
| 06:49.17 | militant | i think it might be yahoo, in any case |
| 06:49.21 | militant | i'll try kopete for now |
| 06:49.34 | jetscreamer | guess i should have guessed from the kernel version |
| 06:49.38 | Ramattack | yep but wanted to say : I'm benchmarking some servers and had a etch disk installed on an Hyperthreading machine socket 775 and wanted to set it on a PIV 478 socket that I think it's not Hyperthreading |
| 06:49.42 | GhostlyDeath | Ramattack: You can swap installations as long as the destination computer supports the same instruction set that the kernel is under |
| 06:50.12 | jetscreamer | like athlon to intel maybe no good |
| 06:50.16 | Ramattack | and when I do dmesg | grep CPU on socket 478 machine says CPU0 and CPUI and I only have one cpu |
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| 06:50.32 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: but it has ht eh |
| 06:50.36 | jetscreamer | that does that |
| 06:50.41 | jetscreamer | 478? |
| 06:50.47 | jetscreamer | isn't that like athlon |
| 06:50.50 | Ramattack | and when I go with my sarge installed server from socket 478 to 775 Hyperthreading it detects only one cpu |
| 06:50.55 | Azar | ..it's like trying to force balls into square holes |
| 06:50.59 | Ramattack | nope athlon is 462 |
| 06:51.01 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:51.25 | Ramattack | and obviously for this benchmarks I wanted to use the whole power... |
| 06:51.35 | Azar | Ramattack: you could rather do a netinstall separately on the other PC |
| 06:51.37 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:51.41 | GhostlyDeath | CPUI CPU1 |
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| 06:51.56 | jetscreamer | you could send me a few cpu's and i could check it out, but otherwise... |
| 06:52.07 | Ramattack | lol |
| 06:52.39 | Ramattack | well my question was if something was modified on /proc during installation when detecting two or one cpu |
| 06:52.51 | Ramattack | don't know... is /proc/cpuinfo or... |
| 06:53.11 | jetscreamer | any etch kernel should be smp enabled, and afaik no to your question |
| 06:53.20 | Azar | Ramattack: only a fresh installation can detect and configure new hardware... or at least is more accurate and faster |
| 06:53.42 | jetscreamer | he wants benchmarks, so is trying for the same exact os |
| 06:53.45 | jetscreamer | and hd |
| 06:53.49 | Ramattack | Azar : yep but you know don't want to reinstall want to learn! |
| 06:53.51 | Ramattack | lol |
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| 06:54.16 | Azar | jetscreamer: yep, Etch. But he should install for each PC... not move one installation around |
| 06:54.19 | Ramattack | reinstall and reboot is for windoze |
| 06:54.29 | Azar | heh, ok |
| 06:54.43 | Ramattack | re re re.... lol |
| 06:55.19 | Azar | I did not ment reinstall, I ment install Etch on each PC |
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| 06:56.14 | Ramattack | yep but the server is an iso image of a production server... this way I could benchmark a production server without risk of harm it |
| 06:56.25 | Azar | Ramattack: would you take the engine from a Toyota and try it on a Ford? |
| 06:57.17 | Ramattack | lol and a lorry engine too on a toyota if you know how to set it properly and adapt it |
| 06:57.37 | mfi_ | Morning |
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| 06:57.48 | Azar | Ramattack: then work hard on your kernel and make it understand you moved it to a new hardware |
| 06:57.48 | mfi_ | I tried apt-get install emacs-snapshot with no success |
| 06:57.55 | mfi_ | any idea? :-) |
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| 06:58.18 | Ramattack | Azar : I'll start with a theorical class to it know at the moment lol |
| 06:58.45 | Ramattack | all the kernels in they're sits..... |
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| 06:59.22 | Ulixes | hi |
| 06:59.34 | Ulixes | can you tell me how to give a static ip to my pc? |
| 06:59.55 | Ramattack | lol well thanks a lot mates lets see how to manage with this |
| 06:59.57 | jetscreamer | man interfaces, and the file you want to edit is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:00.01 | jetscreamer | Ulixes: ^^ |
| 07:00.03 | Ramattack | bye!!!! |
| 07:00.12 | jetscreamer | !info clive |
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| 07:00.28 | Ulixes | jetscreamer what i've to add in that file? |
| 07:00.31 | jetscreamer | [02.00.47] <dpkg> Package 'clive' does not exist. |
| 07:00.36 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
| 07:00.55 | jetscreamer | Ulixes: iirc (not sure) there's an example when you man interfaces |
| 07:01.08 | Ulixes | ok |
| 07:01.11 | Ulixes | thz |
| 07:01.26 | ArtVandalae | What command can I use to tell my the total number of files in a dir? |
| 07:01.30 | Azar | Ulixes: chapter 10.6.1.1 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 07:01.49 | GhostlyDeath | Took my computer 57 seconds to start... |
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| 07:02.01 | GhostlyDeath | used to take 30... |
| 07:02.09 | Ulixes | thz Azar i've to go bye |
| 07:02.11 | jetscreamer | Ulixes: yeah right up top |
| 07:02.14 | Ulixes | ok |
| 07:02.21 | ArtVandalae | I think my new Etch machine is the fastest ever. It doesn't run X, but it boots in about 20-30s |
| 07:02.27 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: you bloated it |
| 07:02.52 | Azar | the less it has to init, the faster goes |
| 07:03.14 | fireba11 | obviously :-) |
| 07:04.14 | Azar | I boot with no .dm then I startx |
| 07:04.27 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 07:04.27 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 07:06.14 | jetscreamer | Azar: you sure it's not that rootkit you planted on him? |
| 07:06.23 | Azar | jetscreamer: uh? |
| 07:06.24 | Supaplex | so in debian, what are runlevels 3,4 and 5 really useful for anyway? |
| 07:06.38 | Azar | :) |
| 07:06.38 | jetscreamer | whatever you want them to be |
| 07:06.41 | haggz | I was building a new sid partition piece by piece last night and I noticed that even a raw xorg installation provided a simple window decorator, is that actually part of xorg or is it a 'sane minimal default' put together by debian? |
| 07:06.45 | jetscreamer | seriously |
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| 07:06.54 | Supaplex | cool. |
| 07:06.58 | Azar | jetscreamer: on him who? |
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| 07:07.16 | jetscreamer | that rootkit you planted on GhostlyDeath made his box boot slower |
| 07:07.16 | malagmyr | argh! the first character of my prompt blinks (gets its background color set to dark grey instead of black) for like a quarter of a second each time i type a character. I'm using aterm and the default color prompt from .bashrc. I have also tried the standard, colorless prompt. What can I do? |
| 07:07.29 | cydork | damn i missed the release! |
| 07:07.30 | jetscreamer | man setterm |
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| 07:07.31 | cydork | !beer everyone |
| 07:07.38 | Azar | jetscreamer: ahhh GhostlyDeath ... |
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| 07:07.52 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: The rootkit only only works on 2.6.18-3 and below, I got 2.6.18-4! |
| 07:07.53 | Supaplex | so I could use runlevel 3 to shutdown everything not needed to push out backups, or make lower level system snapshots, then jump back to rl 2. |
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| 07:08.11 | Azar | hi cydork yep it was a blast! |
| 07:08.37 | jetscreamer | yep, just do what you wil to it(them) |
| 07:08.38 | hermuli | would this list all the available stuff from snmp? snmpwalk -v 1 -c public 192.168.0.113 >> etc/snmp/snmps2.txt |
| 07:09.12 | jetscreamer | i do but only because i'm lazy and it's installed |
| 07:09.25 | sep | Azar, doesn't everyone ? |
| 07:09.26 | jetscreamer | plus it's not a bloated pig |
| 07:09.31 | Supaplex | I use konsole mainly because I already use kde, and it supports tabs. |
| 07:09.36 | Azar | sep: I mostly hear about aterm |
| 07:09.50 | Supaplex | but I'll use xterm on machines i only have flwm on. |
| 07:09.51 | GhostlyDeath | jetscreamer: I've actaully been rootkitted by those damn Sony CDs before |
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| 07:10.00 | sep | must be my old habit to try x[tab][tab] allways first :P |
| 07:10.05 | hermuli | because i can see a UCD-DISKIO-MIB in the snmp machine's mib directory, but i can't see any of that in the file the command generates |
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| 07:10.25 | Azar | I feel like I am the only one around here using openbox/xterm |
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| 07:10.43 | jetscreamer | i use icewm and xterm |
| 07:11.07 | Azar | jetscreamer: I guess most like aterm because is black text on white... |
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| 07:11.18 | jetscreamer | my ox can handle gnome/kde but i just don't care for em all that much |
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| 07:11.39 | jetscreamer | Azar: most of em you can make whatever color you want.. man setterm |
| 07:11.52 | jetscreamer | or is that console oops |
| 07:12.05 | Azar | jetscreamer: yeah... |
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| 07:12.18 | jetscreamer | i like gnome-terminal |
| 07:12.25 | jetscreamer | but it's a bloated pig |
| 07:12.41 | jetscreamer | well it's deps are |
| 07:12.54 | Azar | never tried it, I will check it out when I will do a new Etch install with all it has... |
| 07:13.37 | Azar | I will benchmark Etch with all it comes for a desktop, then compare with a minimal that I prefer |
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| 07:13.50 | jetscreamer | malagmyr: maybe add a space to the prompt at the end |
| 07:13.59 | jetscreamer | hackish though |
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| 07:15.04 | malagmyr | jetscreamer: the background color of the space will still change :/ |
| 07:15.24 | malagmyr | jetscreamer: need to figure out what the heck is doing this. never seen it before |
| 07:15.53 | jetscreamer | i;ve never checked out aterm |
| 07:16.05 | haggz | I see new stuff is starting to hit sid now that sid packages can go to lenny, aptitude just fetched me a spiffy new version of Armagetron |
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| 07:17.10 | jetscreamer | haggz: yeah i saw that and tried to install it but the actual package hadn't hit my mirror yet :/ |
| 07:17.16 | jetscreamer | probably is now though |
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| 07:17.35 | malagmyr | jetscreamer: it doesn't happen when I'm connected to another machine through SSH. is there a way I can write out all the relevant variables, perhaps, to figure out what's different? |
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| 07:19.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.18 | Azar | the Etch release made it to TheRegister as well.. |
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| 07:21.36 | Azar | uh? lost a game? |
| 07:22.33 | jetscreamer | it appeared in the repo, now it has vanished |
| 07:22.42 | Azar | jetscreamer: I think I remember seeing that in the release notes... packages installed through backports might be removed |
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| 07:23.11 | Azar | jetscreamer: your apt pointed at "testing" ? |
| 07:23.30 | jetscreamer | a, this is sid :0 , b, this game showed up (the one that guy was just talking about) and now it is gone from the list :o magic |
| 07:23.52 | Azar | buggy ? |
| 07:23.56 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:23.58 | Azar | the bug ate it |
| 07:24.08 | cableroy | how come debian has not fixed the problem with dell 2950 and sas disks in 4.0 r0? |
| 07:24.18 | jetscreamer | probably the mirror started the update over but i'm guessing |
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| 07:24.38 | markybob | cableroy: look at the bug report's comments ? |
| 07:24.47 | Azar | cableroy: what the bug said ? |
| 07:24.55 | Supaplex | sure, defrag on ext[23] is a myth. but what about when fsck says it's 20.0% non-contiguous? |
| 07:24.58 | jetscreamer | cableroy: we don't know, the place to ask that is probably the mailing list or so.. or that dev channel on oftc... :o |
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| 07:25.38 | Azar | if a bug report was forwarded, and the bug is still open, there should be a comment for that |
| 07:25.45 | jetscreamer | cableroy: while you're at it, ask them how come the didn't fix the extremely grave bug with multiple hd controllers |
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| 07:25.53 | jetscreamer | s/the/they/ |
| 07:26.23 | jetscreamer | hell maybe i will |
| 07:26.31 | jetscreamer | it's only been a frickin year |
| 07:26.35 | jetscreamer | or so |
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| 07:27.20 | sceadugenga | does enabling WINS in samba and in DHCP mean I won't have to go round to every machine and change the workgroup? |
| 07:27.32 | Azar | Debian team can't guess bugs if people aren't forwarding complaints. And heck only to fix all those bugs delayed Etch so much |
| 07:27.34 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 07:27.45 | jetscreamer | they would all need to be in the same workgroup |
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| 07:28.22 | sceadugenga | i want to put them all in the same workgroup, can i do that somehow other than going around to every machine and manually doing it? |
| 07:28.35 | jetscreamer | it won't automaticvally change their workgroups, i don't think. |
| 07:28.40 | jetscreamer | ah not sure |
| 07:28.40 | sceadugenga | ok |
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| 07:28.47 | adu | hi |
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| 07:28.50 | sceadugenga | better head off to #samba then :P |
| 07:28.55 | jetscreamer | there 'should' be a way, i just don't know it |
| 07:28.59 | sceadugenga | i thought i was in #samba lol |
| 07:29.27 | jetscreamer | #samba was kinda slow iirc, be prepared to wait eh |
| 07:29.42 | Supaplex | !lart sceadugenga's dementia |
| 07:30.00 | jetscreamer | !fix dpkg's grammar |
| 07:30.02 | sceadugenga | oh shi- |
| 07:30.28 | PrMoriarty | anyone know squi here? |
| 07:30.40 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 07:30.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:30.46 | Azar | je ne parle pas squi |
| 07:30.55 | Supaplex | who is squi? |
| 07:31.01 | sceadugenga | i r squi |
| 07:31.29 | Supaplex | u r a txt'n f00l. |
| 07:31.42 | sceadugenga | i lol'd |
| 07:31.46 | PrMoriarty | yes i mean squid |
| 07:32.11 | PrMoriarty | is the rules http_access allow password and http_access deny !password are equal? |
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| 07:32.58 | PrMoriarty | think yes but really i have a bug and lookinh all the rules to be sure |
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| 07:34.14 | BUMBACL0T | 4.0 is nice, i just did a fresh install |
| 07:34.33 | militant | seems nice here too |
| 07:34.42 | militant | little issues but nothing that a bit of tinkering won't fix |
| 07:34.43 | jetscreamer | seems old |
| 07:34.46 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 07:34.52 | BUMBACL0T | yeah yeah, mr lenny |
| 07:34.55 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 07:35.15 | jetscreamer | so been there done that |
| 07:35.19 | adu | hey |
| 07:35.30 | lir | cydork: you around pal? |
| 07:35.37 | jetscreamer | but i do need to install stable and see |
| 07:35.40 | adu | is there a way to switch my ctrl and cmd keys? |
| 07:35.47 | haggz | imo hard drives are so huge now on a desktop machine theres no reason to be limited to one or even just two distros/oses. The machine im on now is a bargain basement machine and it boots into six different OSes and the HD is still mostly empty. |
| 07:35.56 | BUMBACL0T | i noticed something right after i entered my username/pass |
| 07:35.57 | jetscreamer | xkdmodmap maybe but i don't know for sure adu |
| 07:36.00 | adu | isn't there like an X11 keyboard thing or something I can change? |
| 07:36.01 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:36.04 | haggz | So why not run Etch, Lenny, and Sid all on the same machine? |
| 07:36.04 | BUMBACL0T | gnome is running smooth like it was |
| 07:36.05 | jetscreamer | xkbmodmap |
| 07:36.12 | BUMBACL0T | no joke |
| 07:36.18 | Guerin | haggz: because i can't be arsed rebooting |
| 07:36.20 | jetscreamer | haggz: why? |
| 07:36.20 | BUMBACL0T | not* |
| 07:36.35 | jetscreamer | well when i check out the release i will |
| 07:36.48 | adu | omg SVG is sooo much faster in debian gnu/linux |
| 07:36.54 | jetscreamer | my empty boxes are celery 500's so heck with that |
| 07:37.05 | BUMBACL0T | mine's 700 celeron |
| 07:37.35 | cableroy | i am at bugs.debian.org but how can i search for bug when i don't know the package? |
| 07:37.36 | cydork | lir: hiya what's up? |
| 07:37.40 | markybob | haggz: what are you talking about? uml? kmv? |
| 07:38.01 | jetscreamer | 33@500 even |
| 07:38.01 | markybob | haggz: what are you talking about? uml? kmv? |
| 07:38.04 | markybob | sorry |
| 07:38.05 | jetscreamer | err 333 |
| 07:38.22 | haggz | markybob: just basic hard drive partitioning and multibooting with grub, nothing complicated |
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| 07:38.28 | markybob | cableroy: what's your bug? |
| 07:38.34 | jetscreamer | cableroy: apt-file ? |
| 07:38.39 | markybob | haggz then yeah, like guerin said, it's retarded to keep rebooting |
| 07:38.51 | adu | and I'm trying to apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter but i don't think I have the right sources list or something cuz it can't find it |
| 07:38.56 | markybob | jetscreamer: you think apt-file is the answer to everything, dont you? :) |
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| 07:39.27 | hark | adu: it's in contrib |
| 07:39.28 | jetscreamer | markybob: only tonight, i usually forget about it.. oh shit i did apt-file update and forgot about it and close the xterm :) |
| 07:39.36 | jetscreamer | closed |
| 07:39.44 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 07:39.45 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 07:40.01 | lir | cydork: all good. I was wondering if you can aid me with something |
| 07:40.11 | lir | cydork: remember we talked about an install for a distribution? |
| 07:40.11 | cableroy | ok, heres the thing, installing debian 4.0r0 on a debian dell 2950 does not work because of megaraid/sas problem, and the nic's are not correct, on the dell if there is 1 and 2. eth0 is 2 and eth1 is 1, makes no sense |
| 07:40.13 | jetscreamer | lir: you should probably just ask |
| 07:40.14 | haggz | im not saying you want to reboot a lot, just that you have access to more than setup on a single machine, and having multiple partitions makes doing backups and rescues much easier. |
| 07:40.21 | cableroy | somebody here told me to check bugs |
| 07:40.41 | jetscreamer | cableroy: maybe an ieewhatever nic is there |
| 07:40.46 | adu | contrib, ok thanks |
| 07:40.52 | xnor | I have BIG problems with mysql since yesterday, i use testing sources, and did a apt-get update/upgrade, (have always worked) how it wont start and i cant even apt-get -f remove mysql-server :( |
| 07:40.56 | jetscreamer | 1394? |
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| 07:41.03 | Gnea | cableroy: the system is calculating the device names via their priority in the pci bus chain |
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| 07:41.14 | Gnea | cableroy: this can be adjusted one of two ways |
| 07:41.15 | adu | um, where do i put 'contrib' in which file? |
| 07:41.16 | jetscreamer | udev rules |
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| 07:41.23 | jetscreamer | adu: it is in that factoid |
| 07:41.33 | jetscreamer | at the end, after the word main |
| 07:41.40 | jetscreamer | main contrib non-free |
| 07:41.46 | cableroy | Gnea, ok, but thats not the problem i can change it on the dell, but the fact that the installation does not work after reboot bothers me |
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| 07:42.05 | lir | cydork: yeah I'm not, hold on |
| 07:42.10 | Gnea | cableroy: what is the 2950? |
| 07:42.16 | cableroy | dell |
| 07:42.19 | Gnea | cableroy: is that a laptop or desktop or server? |
| 07:42.20 | Gnea | dude |
| 07:42.22 | Gnea | i work for dell |
| 07:42.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:42.28 | cableroy | server |
| 07:42.30 | jetscreamer | it's that stupid allow-hotplug |
| 07:42.32 | Gnea | ok |
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| 07:42.35 | jetscreamer | in interfaces |
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| 07:42.44 | Gnea | so what's the name of the system type? |
| 07:42.47 | Cashel | I sometimes work for someone who works for dell :) |
| 07:42.49 | Gnea | dimension? |
| 07:42.53 | Gnea | optiplex? |
| 07:43.26 | cableroy | poweredge |
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| 07:43.35 | Gnea | now we're cooking |
| 07:44.18 | Gnea | cableroy: how many drives are you raiding and what raid level? |
| 07:44.25 | adu | yey! it found bcm43xx-fwcutter! Thanks |
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| 07:44.41 | gustavo | hi. |
| 07:44.57 | cableroy | Gnea, 5 raid5 ? sas drives |
| 07:45.01 | jetscreamer | !greet gustavo |
| 07:45.01 | dpkg | Moo, gustavo |
| 07:45.01 | gustavo | how can i costumize the debian system, not kernel? |
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| 07:45.14 | jetscreamer | aptitude ? |
| 07:45.14 | markybob | what the hell |
| 07:45.14 | malagmyr | " Gtk-WARNING **: Could not find the icon 'gnome-fs-home'. The 'hicolor' theme" <-- Can I get this icon theme from a .deb? |
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| 07:45.41 | jetscreamer | malagmyr: yes it's a package iirc, apt-cache search theme | grep gnome maybe |
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| 07:45.43 | Gnea | cableroy: alright, do you have any output from dmesg that you could paste on a website somewhere that might give the exact error messages? |
| 07:45.52 | Gnea | !paster |
| 07:45.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:45.55 | markybob | gustavo: |
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| 07:45.56 | markybob | !br |
| 07:45.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:46.24 | malagmyr | jetscreamer: ah. found it :) |
| 07:46.26 | gustavo | i am speaking what? japanese? |
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| 07:46.35 | jetscreamer | hicolor-icon-theme |
| 07:46.36 | markybob | gustavo: you're not making any sense, so you might as well be |
| 07:46.44 | hark | malagmyr: a simple apt-cache search hicolor theme would have found it... |
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| 07:46.48 | gustavo | lol |
| 07:46.57 | diskus | !lol |
| 07:46.57 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:47.00 | markybob | gustavo: ask a real question that makes sense or go to #debian-br for people who can better understand you |
| 07:47.02 | Gnea | markybob: gustavo makes perfect sense. you are an idiot. :) |
| 07:47.07 | jetscreamer | gustavo: explain in a little more detail what you want to actually do |
| 07:47.11 | Gnea | gustavo: what part of the system do you want to configure? |
| 07:47.14 | jetscreamer | customize how |
| 07:47.16 | ses | newbie here: would like to decompress a tar.bz2 file but dont know the command |
| 07:47.16 | cableroy | Gnea, no, i don't get it to boot |
| 07:47.17 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 07:47.25 | gustavo | i need to know how i can install the system with only web server and dns server... how can i do that? |
| 07:47.27 | markybob | Gnea: he makes perfect sense but you have to ask for clarification? |
| 07:47.33 | Gnea | cableroy: at what point does it stop booting? |
| 07:47.48 | Gnea | markybob: that's right. |
| 07:47.49 | hark | !tell ses about tar |
| 07:48.03 | jetscreamer | how many hd controllers in those poweredges |
| 07:48.11 | malagmyr | gustavo: install just the base system, nothing more. then install your select web server and dns servers with apt-get |
| 07:48.15 | gustavo | gnea: thanks man, i was almost thinking that ppl here were all like him :) |
| 07:48.20 | markybob | Gnea: you're humorous |
| 07:48.21 | cydork | gustavo: use tasksel to install web-server and dns-server. |
| 07:48.29 | Gnea | markybob: i try |
| 07:48.40 | cableroy | Gnea, when loading disks or something, disk related its because megaraid does not get loaded or correct loaded |
| 07:48.56 | jetscreamer | gustavo: when it shows you those boxes with the x's in them, asking what kind of system you want, take them all off, and after the installation is done, install what more you want and only that |
| 07:49.09 | gustavo | gnea: it doesnt comes with any other server? |
| 07:49.09 | Gnea | cableroy: okay, have you tried it with sarge? |
| 07:49.15 | jetscreamer | tasksel SUCKS |
| 07:49.16 | ses | hark , thanks but i get tar xjf icevista-r1.tar.bz2 |
| 07:49.17 | ses | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 07:49.17 | ses | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 07:49.17 | ses | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 07:49.17 | ses | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 07:49.18 | hark | or just selectthe web-server and dns-server tasks |
| 07:49.23 | cableroy | Gnea, sarge works |
| 07:49.34 | cableroy | but then the broadcom nix don't work |
| 07:49.37 | markybob | or read the fucking install manual. heaven forbid that would happen |
| 07:49.49 | Gnea | cableroy: using the linux26 option or does it work with the standard 2.4 kernel? |
| 07:49.58 | adu | hmm |
| 07:50.07 | adu | where do i find this xkbmodmap thing? |
| 07:50.17 | cableroy | i don't know, default install/boot with srage |
| 07:50.19 | cableroy | sarge |
| 07:50.22 | Gnea | gustavo: you'd need to install and configure those... one moment |
| 07:50.25 | streuner | !tell adu about search |
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| 07:50.37 | gustavo | jetscreamer: okay, i know that. but i wonder if it doesnt install any other server os unecessary packs... does it? |
| 07:50.40 | Gnea | gustavo: for dns you can apt-get install bind9 and then configure the /etc/bind/*.conf files |
| 07:50.41 | hark | ses: install bzip2 |
| 07:50.41 | jetscreamer | Gnea, cableroy: i don't know, but it might be this, the very first one? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 07:50.55 | ses | hark thanks |
| 07:51.02 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot |
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| 07:51.50 | jetscreamer | !xkbmodmap |
| 07:51.54 | cableroy | jetscreamer, yes that is the one... wounder why it has not been fixed, it has been like that for months |
| 07:51.57 | jetscreamer | !find xkbmodmap |
| 07:52.15 | jetscreamer | cableroy: since 2.6.13 or .15 came into sid it has been there |
| 07:52.15 | hark | errata: your system may be screwed |
| 07:52.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xkbmodmap' returned no results. |
| 07:52.22 | Gnea | gustavo: web server is a bit more tricky... you should apt-cache search apache and see what packages you'd like to install for whatever purpose your server will serve |
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| 07:53.05 | Gnea | jetscreamer: hrmmm.... |
| 07:53.30 | jetscreamer | udev rules |
| 07:53.34 | Gnea | cableroy: is there anyway at all that you can get the error message from bootup copied over to here? |
| 07:53.37 | gustavo | gnea: thanks, no problem about that... i know how to do it! the question is, i want to install the system with the less packages as possible. the default install should do that? |
| 07:53.45 | jetscreamer | i make one, plop it, see |
| 07:53.55 | cableroy | Gnea, no, the server is in the server rom :/ |
| 07:54.06 | Gnea | gustavo: yeah - uhm, i havaen't tried the 4.0 installer yet, i'm only used to sarge :/ |
| 07:54.13 | jetscreamer | adu: not sure :/ |
| 07:54.24 | jetscreamer | adu: maybe it's like gone :( |
| 07:54.25 | adu | google gives 3 hits for xkbmodmap |
| 07:54.26 | Gnea | cableroy: oh man... when will you be able to have access to it? |
| 07:54.36 | cableroy | Gnea, i have found a solution, but i think this should be fixed |
| 07:54.49 | jetscreamer | !listkeys xkbmod |
| 07:54.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xkbmod' by key returned no results. |
| 07:54.53 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 07:54.59 | cableroy | Gnea, i have it all the time, problem is copy/paste i'll google to see if there is any only |
| 07:55.01 | adu | !find xkb |
| 07:55.02 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xkb' (13): fbxkb ;; libxkbfile-dev ;; libxkbfile1 ;; libxkbfile1-dbg ;; libxkbsel-dev ;; libxkbui-dev ;; libxkbui1 ;; libxkbui1-dbg ;; xkb-data ;; xkb-data-legacy ;; xkbsel ;; xkbset ;; xxkb. |
| 07:55.08 | Cashel | gustavo: yes, the default instal will give you a base install, just be sure to unselect the "Desktop Environment" and "Standard Packages" check boxes whten you get the chance... |
| 07:55.09 | jetscreamer | !listkeys modmap |
| 07:55.09 | cableroy | http://www.webservertalk.com/message1764782.html the last post |
| 07:55.10 | gustavo | gnea: okay, thanks :) |
| 07:55.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'modmap' by key (3): _default xmodmap ;; #debian xmodmap ;; xmodmap. |
| 07:55.15 | Gnea | cableroy: alright |
| 07:55.18 | Gnea | gustavo: np |
| 07:55.18 | jetscreamer | !xmodmap |
| 07:55.18 | dpkg | hmm... xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
| 07:55.28 | jetscreamer | ah xmodmap i guess |
| 07:55.31 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 07:55.37 | gustavo | cashel: thanks, its just what i needed to know :) |
| 07:55.39 | adu | oh ok i'll give it a try |
| 07:55.53 | ses | i have another question:i have icewm installed with rox (for the desktop icons) but i want to have icewm menu on right-click - how do i do that? |
| 07:56.12 | BUMBACL0T | lolx, my printer works with 4.0, how nice |
| 07:56.13 | Omena- | is the following possible in debian stable: PHP5, PHPmyAdmin, Apache 1.3 |
| 07:56.13 | Gnea | !icewm |
| 07:56.13 | dpkg | icewm is a nice, simple, themeable and kick-ass wm....the icewm homepage is at http://icewm.sourceforge.net |
| 07:56.19 | Gnea | errr |
| 07:56.30 | jetscreamer | i 'guess' it's a par of xorg |
| 07:56.30 | markybob | Omena-: yes |
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| 07:57.06 | jetscreamer | ses: that's a function of rox-filer i guess, i have a right click menu with icewm but no rox |
| 07:57.10 | Gnea | ses: tried #icewm? we deal with more general distribution issues, not specific configuration of non-core applications |
| 07:57.30 | jetscreamer | ses: or try preferences |
| 07:57.47 | jetscreamer | Gnea: #icewm is one of the slowslow channels btw |
| 07:57.59 | Gnea | jetscreamer: yikes |
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| 07:58.15 | ses | Gnea, will try ( i remember seeing this in a debian tutorial once so i thought i'll ask...) |
| 07:58.23 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:58.41 | Decepticon | apt-cache search folding |
| 07:58.41 | jetscreamer | http://icewm.org/manual/icewm-10.html |
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| 07:59.04 | jetscreamer | there is a folding at home client in non-free iirc |
| 07:59.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:59.21 | Decepticon | where can i find it |
| 07:59.33 | Decepticon | ive got an idle machine |
| 07:59.35 | jetscreamer | add contrib non-free to sources list |
| 07:59.35 | Guerin | because you want a non-free thing phoning home all the time |
| 07:59.41 | markybob | Guerin: it's about fucking time. were you on vacation or something? ;) |
| 07:59.58 | Guerin | markybob: was away at a hippy convention for most of the weekend, yeah |
| 08:00.07 | Decepticon | its folding@home phoning home, whats wrong with that |
| 08:00.11 | markybob | Guerin: nice. wb |
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| 08:00.50 | sean | hi |
| 08:00.58 | sean | should I use LVM or encrypted LVM, please help |
| 08:01.08 | hark | lvm |
| 08:01.12 | Guerin | sean: if you must ask, neither |
| 08:01.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:01.23 | markybob | sean i vote for neither as well |
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| 08:01.42 | jetscreamer | use what you want, just remember you get to keep all the pieces |
| 08:01.43 | hark | sean: who wins? |
| 08:01.44 | sean | please just give me a brief answer as to why |
| 08:01.45 | hppp | slt |
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| 08:01.52 | hppp | y a un FR? |
| 08:01.53 | Gnea | hrm, these scsi drives keep bailing... i think i'm gonna go ahead and install etch on them when i get some data backed up |
| 08:02.03 | sean | why is efnet dead thse days |
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| 08:02.09 | markybob | sean because you dont need to add complecity if you dont know what it really is |
| 08:02.09 | hark | hppp: #debian-fr |
| 08:02.11 | sean | and there are like 1000 people in this channel on freenode |
| 08:02.18 | jetscreamer | 727 |
| 08:02.22 | markybob | complexity? |
| 08:02.25 | hppp | ok |
| 08:02.26 | Gnea | sean: because efnet is not official |
| 08:02.31 | freetos | is it normal to have a sid repo in source.list for etch? |
| 08:02.32 | jetscreamer | x yes |
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| 08:02.40 | jetscreamer | no freetos |
| 08:02.44 | hark | freetos: duh, no |
| 08:02.45 | Gnea | freetos: no |
| 08:02.53 | jetscreamer | well |
| 08:02.58 | freetos | well i did a network instsall and it's there |
| 08:03.00 | sean | if i elect to not do lvm now can i do it later? |
| 08:03.02 | jetscreamer | for kanotix it is |
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| 08:03.07 | jetscreamer | but this is not kanotix |
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| 08:03.20 | Gnea | sean: sure |
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| 08:03.31 | sean | also can i use resize2fs or something to later make this drive have seperate partitions for /home /usr /var and /tmp? |
| 08:03.42 | thomas_ | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/6' - please check. I get that when I try to create a new terminal with screen, how to do ? |
| 08:03.45 | sean | so i can do all one parition right now |
| 08:03.46 | jetscreamer | resize bad |
| 08:03.48 | Gnea | sean: why not create the separate partitions now? |
| 08:03.51 | jetscreamer | multiple hd's good |
| 08:03.57 | sean | how big should i make each one |
| 08:03.58 | hark | sean: just do it now |
| 08:03.59 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 08:04.00 | sean | my drive is 200gigs |
| 08:04.17 | jetscreamer | there are plenty of howto/faq's on that on the web |
| 08:04.20 | markybob | ...install manual...it's calling your name |
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| 08:04.30 | sean | how about the defaults |
| 08:04.43 | jetscreamer | yeah it will do it for you won't it |
| 08:04.45 | sean | which throws 190gb into /home |
| 08:04.47 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.52 | jetscreamer | i forget, i just make it one huge one |
| 08:05.02 | jetscreamer | and have other hd's |
| 08:05.09 | markybob | holy fuck. 50g for /var ? |
| 08:05.13 | Supaplex | lvm++ |
| 08:05.13 | Gnea | !newbiedoc |
| 08:05.13 | dpkg | newbiedoc is, like, http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 08:05.17 | Gnea | dude |
| 08:05.26 | Gnea | have you ever seen syslog get out of control? :) |
| 08:05.27 | jetscreamer | only 10 for / ? |
| 08:05.38 | Gnea | well, /tmp is there |
| 08:05.55 | Supaplex | I only use 512mb for / (even if /boot isn't its own fs) |
| 08:05.56 | Gnea | good for fixing the system |
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| 08:06.05 | hark | you hardly need anything for / alone |
| 08:06.19 | Decepticon | jetscreamer how do i "add contrib non-free to sources list" |
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| 08:06.21 | Supaplex | and seperate /var /usr /home (duh!) :) |
| 08:06.26 | Gnea | it won't hurt |
| 08:06.33 | jetscreamer | Decepticon: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:06.36 | sean | how about i make it one big parition and maybe add some additional hard drives later for /home and /var? |
| 08:06.36 | Supaplex | !tell Decepticon -about sources.list |
| 08:06.54 | Gnea | then do it |
| 08:07.11 | jetscreamer | sean: either way |
| 08:07.19 | Gnea | sean: is this the first time you've install linux? |
| 08:07.31 | jetscreamer | whatever seems good for you.. and installing anew is trivial anyway if it ever came to that |
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| 08:08.01 | sean | well should i subdivide now or add more hd's in the future |
| 08:08.07 | jetscreamer | either way |
| 08:08.13 | sean | which way is better |
| 08:08.14 | jetscreamer | whatever seems good for you |
| 08:08.18 | jetscreamer | neither |
| 08:08.21 | Gnea | whatever is good for you |
| 08:08.25 | Supaplex | put /home on lvm, then you can add a new hdd to it later. google for lvm howto. |
| 08:08.32 | jetscreamer | well hd's would mean more space in the end |
| 08:08.39 | diskus | is good for you whatever |
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| 08:08.47 | Gnea | sean: tell you what - do it all as one partition and see what happens. then back your data up and reinstall in a few weeks. |
| 08:09.19 | markybob | that's certainly just as good of a suggestion as giving the poor guy / 10g and /var 50g without even asking what the box will be used for |
| 08:09.29 | Gnea | sean: the 'better' way is to do it yourself and learn through trial and error |
| 08:09.49 | Gnea | markybob: he didn't say, so i didn't assume |
| 08:09.50 | jetscreamer | sean: just buy about 5 more 200gig hd's in a while :) |
| 08:09.59 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 08:10.11 | sean | why would you want to seperate them out anyways? |
| 08:10.18 | jetscreamer | safety |
| 08:10.21 | diskus | I wonder how much space full cd version of debian will take installed |
| 08:10.22 | sean | for like fragmentation purposes i suppose? |
| 08:10.28 | jetscreamer | what if one hd died |
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| 08:10.40 | jetscreamer | or a partiton got full or trashed |
| 08:10.49 | jetscreamer | tion |
| 08:10.50 | sean | if you had multiple partiitons on one hd, it wouldn't matter, they would all be hosed anyways |
| 08:10.52 | Gnea | what if a directory gets full |
| 08:11.03 | jetscreamer | well |
| 08:11.06 | Gnea | only if it's a hardware failure |
| 08:11.17 | markybob | sean http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en |
| 08:11.17 | jetscreamer | now where's that faqqy howto |
| 08:11.21 | Gnea | if it's a filesystem failure, then that's less to restore |
| 08:11.27 | jetscreamer | ah hope that's it |
| 08:11.39 | diskus | sean: what if something writes giberish to /var or /tmp and fills that one 200GB partition? |
| 08:11.50 | Gnea | !beer markybob |
| 08:11.57 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en |
| 08:11.57 | Guerin | diskus: haha |
| 08:12.02 | adu | ok |
| 08:12.08 | adu | i'm going to see iff that works |
| 08:12.15 | Gnea | !partition |
| 08:12.15 | dpkg | somebody said partition was You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition |
| 08:12.18 | sean | allright i'm going to use this box as a production server in my home for asterisk, apache, mysql, and some other stuff. |
| 08:12.28 | sean | knowing that how would you baek down the 200 gig drive into dir's |
| 08:12.43 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en |
| 08:12.53 | Gnea | sean: okay, then definately give /var a lot of space, because that's where mysql keeps its databases |
| 08:13.13 | Gnea | sean: the apache stuff is kept in /var/www too. consider that. |
| 08:13.23 | Gnea | as for asterisk, i don't know |
| 08:13.45 | jetscreamer | #asterisk if that helps |
| 08:14.05 | Gnea | sean: oh dude... check this, it's perfect: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition.html |
| 08:14.39 | Gnea | it's a bit more on the technical side but it should help out |
| 08:14.41 | hark | 200 gigs is a lot anyway for a simple home server just for apache and mysql... |
| 08:14.50 | hark | and asterisk too |
| 08:14.57 | jetscreamer | gotta serve up that pr0n though |
| 08:15.09 | Gnea | hark: yeah but these days, 200gig hds are almost a dime a dozen |
| 08:15.16 | jetscreamer | and the automated 976 calls |
| 08:15.26 | gustavo | i have two 400gbs ;O |
| 08:15.32 | gustavo | its worth it. |
| 08:15.38 | JarJarBinks | jetscreamer: serve ascii pr0n then |
| 08:15.39 | sean | hark it will probably ultimately have many other servers that i will "use" in my home. |
| 08:15.45 | Gnea | man, if i was gonna run a serious production asterisk server like that, i'd at least run it on a poweredge 2950 |
| 08:15.49 | Gnea | raid 5 |
| 08:15.53 | Gnea | bam. |
| 08:16.03 | jetscreamer | heh but you couldn't install etch on it :p |
| 08:16.11 | Gnea | why not? :) |
| 08:16.15 | jetscreamer | and get it to work.. OH btw |
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| 08:16.17 | Gnea | oh yeah LOL |
| 08:16.21 | sean | its just going to be an asterisk server to use with sunrocket so i can have an IVR and stuff. |
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| 08:16.40 | jetscreamer | a -386 kernel, or no udev, fixes that problem.. also a custom kernel that doesn't use initrd |
| 08:16.49 | Gnea | but you know what i bet i could call up my friendly tech support and get them to tell me why |
| 08:16.51 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' also i forget |
| 08:17.09 | jetscreamer | -386 doens't do udev (or so) |
| 08:17.17 | jetscreamer | doesn't |
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| 08:17.24 | militant | what device is a usb gamepad in etch? joy2key is complaining about it, so i can't set vba for playing zelda |
| 08:17.25 | militant | heh |
| 08:17.32 | jetscreamer | creating a good udev rule also would fix it |
| 08:17.35 | militant | and zsnes doesn't tell me |
| 08:17.37 | gustavo | does anybody knows why when i install a fresh debian system my apt wants to remove my kernel, initrdtools, base-config, etc? |
| 08:17.46 | militant | just uses it automatically |
| 08:17.49 | militant | dmesg doesn't even specify |
| 08:18.02 | jetscreamer | base-config is no more, initrdtools is now mkinitramfs tools or so |
| 08:18.02 | litage_ | if i hook the usb end of a usb-to-serial cable into my Etch box and the other end into the serial port on another box, how would i tell minicom or some other terminal app to use the usb cable? |
| 08:18.03 | Gnea | militant: what kernel? |
| 08:18.13 | jetscreamer | the kernel is a metapackage? |
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| 08:18.21 | jetscreamer | or there is one? |
| 08:18.25 | freetos | does anybody know what i need to install to watch video from http://ntra.com/videoarchive.aspx |
| 08:18.29 | militant | 2.6.18-4-k7 smp |
| 08:18.54 | gustavo | jetscreamer: but when it removes the base-config the apt doesnt works anymore... and why remove the kernel in use? doesnt make sense |
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| 08:19.05 | militant | unless it's /dev/input/by-id/usb-Gravis_GamePad_Pro_USB-event-joystick but that just looks too off |
| 08:19.11 | sean | so what about for what i'm trying to do: 15 gig / 15 gig /usr 50 gig /var 8 gig /tmp 112 gig /home |
| 08:19.13 | sean | what do you think |
| 08:19.42 | jetscreamer | gustavo: not sure, and it 'may' be trying to just remove a kernel metapackage, but you know, i don't know just guessing |
| 08:20.00 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 08:20.07 | jetscreamer | they said make /var huge |
| 08:20.11 | jetscreamer | not small |
| 08:20.17 | gustavo | lol, it does a lot of trouble... i cant do apt-setup after it removes the base-config |
| 08:20.17 | jetscreamer | (iirc) |
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| 08:20.52 | Gnea | freetos: flashplayer-mozilla |
| 08:21.09 | Gnea | militant: it's usually /dev/something/js0 |
| 08:21.19 | jetscreamer | ahh maybe.... |
| 08:21.29 | militant | doesn't exist |
| 08:21.33 | militant | or at least locate doesn't find |
| 08:21.39 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.40 | sean | 12 gig / 10 gig /usr 80 gig /var 5 gig /tmp 93 gig /home ??? |
| 08:21.52 | jetscreamer | with quake, i have to make udev create the node in /dev/ not /dev/input or it doesn't work |
| 08:21.59 | Gnea | sean: that's stretching it a bit, but it'd work |
| 08:22.17 | Gnea | sean: don't forget to match your ram with swap |
| 08:22.21 | sean | Gnea, please comment on what you would do instead |
| 08:22.23 | jetscreamer | i edit /etc/udev/udev.rules and take the input/ out of the line |
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| 08:22.40 | Gnea | sean: i'd shift 10gigs out of / and put it to /usr |
| 08:22.42 | sean | ultimately i'll have a gig of ram (in a couple of days) so i guess i need 2 gigs of swap |
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| 08:23.03 | Gnea | sean: no, you'd want 1gig of swap for 1gig of ram |
| 08:23.11 | diskus | sean: more like 5GB / 20GB /usr 80GB /var 10GB /tmp 85 /home |
| 08:23.11 | jetscreamer | KERNEL=="js[0-9]*", NAME="%k" vs #KERNEL=="js[0-9]*", NAME="input/%k" |
| 08:23.13 | Gnea | match it |
| 08:23.21 | Guerin | you can add swapfiles anyway |
| 08:23.47 | jetscreamer | maybe tyhat might help i dunno |
| 08:23.49 | jetscreamer | helps me |
| 08:23.50 | sean | how about 6 gig / 20 gig /usr 75 gig /var 5 gig /tmp 94 gig /home ??? |
| 08:23.56 | jetscreamer | how about one big one |
| 08:23.57 | freetos | Gnea, thanks |
| 08:24.00 | Gnea | swapfiles are not as efficient and are slower |
| 08:24.12 | jetscreamer | one big one and 2gigs for swap |
| 08:24.20 | gustavo | why you dont use only one partition? is it unsafe? |
| 08:24.28 | jetscreamer | it 'could' be |
| 08:24.31 | Gnea | sean: unless you mean you'll have 2 gigs of ram, then yeah, 2 gigs of swap is good |
| 08:24.36 | bushblows | what would be the best format for extra HD's? |
| 08:24.44 | Gnea | !best |
| 08:24.44 | jetscreamer | jfs |
| 08:24.44 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 08:25.02 | jetscreamer | jfs>* |
| 08:25.15 | sean | should swap equal double my ram or equal to my ram |
| 08:25.21 | bushblows | like best in general format for extra hard drives on a debian system |
| 08:25.32 | bushblows | jfs |
| 08:25.34 | jetscreamer | !jfs |
| 08:25.35 | dpkg | i guess jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
| 08:27.29 | bushblows | thanks |
| 08:27.29 | Cashel | !reiserfs |
| 08:27.29 | dpkg | [reiserfs] a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
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| 08:27.29 | hark | !ricerfs |
| 08:27.29 | dpkg | somebody said ricerfs was the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 08:27.29 | Cashel | lmao |
| 08:27.29 | diskus | sean: swap should be as big as you need, I have this machine with 256MB ram 1GB swap, 0 swap is use now |
| 08:27.29 | gustavo | lol |
| 08:27.29 | hark | !ffs |
| 08:27.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 08:27.29 | xjkx | i forgot how to check where the files of a packages is |
| 08:27.30 | xjkx | dpkg -l shows its name only |
| 08:27.30 | dpkg | ii shows its name only 3.8-12 xjkx's private stamp collection |
| 08:27.30 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.30 | dpkg | ii foo 2.4-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:27.30 | hark | use -L |
| 08:27.30 | jetscreamer | you use swap when doing intensive things like encoding, compiling, rendering... |
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| 08:27.30 | Cashel | !fat16 |
| 08:27.30 | xjkx | didnt work -L :/ |
| 08:27.30 | Cashel | awww |
| 08:27.30 | jetscreamer | when something is swappable |
| 08:27.31 | xjkx | OH WORKED |
| 08:27.31 | Cashel | !vfat |
| 08:27.31 | dpkg | hmm... vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 08:27.31 | markybob | Cashel: stop going nuts now...it's ok |
| 08:27.43 | jetscreamer | !tell Cashel -about rwvfat |
| 08:27.58 | jetscreamer | compile gnome |
| 08:28.07 | jetscreamer | bet you can't |
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| 08:28.10 | DocPlatypus | that needs an update |
| 08:28.14 | Cashel | jetscreamer: ermmmm yeah.. thanks n stuff |
| 08:28.27 | DocPlatypus | the last one should be "you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows or FreeDOS needs to read it" |
| 08:28.46 | DocPlatypus | and when it starts becoming more widely used, ReactOS |
| 08:29.07 | BUMBACL0T | etch is php4 still? |
| 08:29.08 | BUMBACL0T | :/ |
| 08:29.15 | markybob | BUMBACL0T: it has both |
| 08:29.17 | Cashel | it offers 5 too |
| 08:29.20 | markybob | BUMBACL0T: apt-cache search php5 |
| 08:29.23 | BUMBACL0T | really |
| 08:29.29 | BUMBACL0T | haven't looked at it yet |
| 08:29.46 | hark | why? |
| 08:29.51 | markybob | crack |
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| 08:29.58 | diskus | attack |
| 08:30.49 | markybob | Cashel: why? just join something that's already existing and in need |
| 08:30.55 | Cashel | erm |
| 08:31.11 | diskus | well I always need money, so you can start collecting it for me |
| 08:31.22 | Cashel | I would help an existing project, but I would never subject a project I like by offering it code *I* wrote :P |
| 08:31.32 | Cashel | s/by/to/ |
| 08:31.37 | markybob | Cashel: then you probably shouldnt be starting one |
| 08:31.41 | BUMBACL0T | well, that's it for this morning, folks |
| 08:31.44 | BUMBACL0T | im out |
| 08:32.28 | Cashel | markybob: by 'project' i mean pet project, as in, something interesting to write as I learn |
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| 08:33.12 | hark | write a dugong simulator then |
| 08:33.28 | Cashel | in order to simulate it, I'd have to know what it is, heh |
| 08:33.52 | Techdeck | that's where the 'learning' part kicks in |
| 08:33.58 | Cashel | heh |
| 08:34.05 | telenieko | Hi. Not debian specific... Is it possible to setup and IPsec tunnel between two endpoints using two interfaces on one side and one onthe other? (a "multilink tunnel"?) |
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| 08:36.12 | jetscreamer | blog |
| 08:36.18 | jetscreamer | the Cashelblog |
| 08:36.19 | sean | i ended up with a 6gb / 20 gb /usr 8g /tmp 80gb /var 84gb /home and a 2gb swap |
| 08:36.25 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 08:36.38 | jetscreamer | but omg what if it's wrong!!!!!!1 |
| 08:36.47 | jetscreamer | :) j/k |
| 08:36.52 | jetscreamer | muhahahaha |
| 08:36.57 | sean | i'll just have to deal with that in another life when we are both eggdrop bots |
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| 08:37.09 | jetscreamer | i wanna come back as a supybot |
| 08:37.14 | Mazingaro | ciao |
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| 08:37.18 | Mazingaro | dondelelcazzo: hi |
| 08:37.32 | sean | (140 |
| 08:37.57 | sean | this takes forever to format partitions |
| 08:38.00 | jetscreamer | you can always cp it to another hd |
| 08:38.10 | jetscreamer | configured how you want |
| 08:38.23 | jetscreamer | configured/split |
| 08:38.28 | sean | damn now which time zone should i pick |
| 08:38.33 | sean | JJJKKK |
| 08:38.35 | jetscreamer | the one you're used to |
| 08:38.37 | jetscreamer | o |
| 08:38.44 | sean | hmm whats a good root password |
| 08:38.48 | sean | alllright allright |
| 08:38.52 | jetscreamer | just leave it blank |
| 08:38.55 | sean | thanks for the help guys |
| 08:39.19 | Mazingaro | sean: proceed to check out |
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| 08:39.40 | sean | do you accept paypal? |
| 08:39.49 | Mazingaro | sean: no, gaypal |
| 08:39.55 | sean | lol |
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| 08:40.02 | sean | 101 |
| 08:41.06 | sean | how do i put windows on once i get this going |
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| 08:41.30 | markybob | sean you dont. you install windows first, then debian. |
| 08:41.31 | Omena- | E: Package libapache-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
| 08:41.45 | markybob | sean or else you'll make it much more difficult on yourself |
| 08:41.51 | jetscreamer | it can be done |
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| 08:42.04 | jetscreamer | it's a lot easier to do win first |
| 08:42.06 | Mazingaro | sean: install Debian. Stop. |
| 08:42.06 | markybob | can and should are different things |
| 08:42.21 | jetscreamer | whatever works |
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| 08:42.29 | draeath | Is there any way to set APT to use a paticular APT source FIRST, and move on to others if the newest package version is not located there? |
| 08:42.41 | draeath | there's actually 3 that I want primarily |
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| 08:42.56 | sean | markybob and mazignaro it was a joke |
| 08:43.24 | sean | i actually have run debian. it's just been about 3 years since i've done a fresh install. last version i ran was 3.1 with kernel 2.4.26 or something |
| 08:43.26 | jetscreamer | it's easier to make money off of windows |
| 08:43.33 | xjkx | i translated my system well to BR ABNT2, but what i dont get is, no matter how many times i change the font of mplayer, the subtitles doesn't support some characters, i think its debian config |
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| 08:44.00 | jetscreamer | xjkx: did you ask in #mplayer as well? (me i dunno) |
| 08:44.15 | Omena- | Why |
| 08:44.16 | Omena- | E: Package libapache-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
| 08:44.20 | sean | anyone reommend an uber fast mirron in the US |
| 08:44.25 | xjkx | will try, but i think its something else |
| 08:44.33 | jetscreamer | !find libapache-mod-php5 etch |
| 08:44.36 | sean | i'm thiking purdue or indiana |
| 08:44.37 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2355 kB, Installed size: 5336 kB |
| 08:44.47 | sean | hmm or uchicago.edu |
| 08:44.53 | draeath | sean, easynews (if they have one?) is nice and snappy |
| 08:44.55 | jetscreamer | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 08:44.57 | markybob | sean osuosl.org ? kernel.org ? |
| 08:45.38 | draeath | Is there any way to set APT to use a paticular APT source FIRST, and move on to others if the newest package version is not located there? |
| 08:45.38 | jetscreamer | Omena-: bad repo? |
| 08:45.47 | Omena- | ionno? |
| 08:45.52 | Omena- | stable repo |
| 08:45.57 | Omena- | thats what im using |
| 08:46.01 | sean | how ome there are no OPs in here |
| 08:46.09 | jetscreamer | draeath: i do not believe you will achieve what you want w/o some scripting or something but i do not know for sure |
| 08:46.16 | jetscreamer | sean: they're hiding |
| 08:46.21 | markybob | sean there are. |
| 08:46.23 | jetscreamer | laying in wait |
| 08:46.31 | jetscreamer | lying in wait? |
| 08:46.36 | hark | for you |
| 08:46.38 | draeath | hmm... i have my etch disk repos locally but it seems that everything is getting pulled from the mirrors |
| 08:46.58 | draeath | i would rather waste disk space, but if im going to waste space AND badnwidth, i would rather just waste the bandwidth |
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| 08:47.41 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 08:47.41 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 08:47.51 | jetscreamer | maybe that draeath |
| 08:47.53 | liable | sean: ops have lives too.. |
| 08:48.04 | jetscreamer | liable is an op |
| 08:48.07 | diskus | draeath: now I know why my pr0n is coming so slow... |
| 08:48.07 | jetscreamer | :o' |
| 08:48.31 | liable | jetscreamer: you would get a good spanking if i were an op! ;) |
| 08:48.43 | bushblows | one more thing, is it bad to remove the lost+found Dir. in a JFS? |
| 08:48.43 | markybob | liable: i hope you're a girl |
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| 08:48.58 | jetscreamer | bushblows: that dir is an ext3 thing |
| 08:48.58 | draeath | jetscreamer, no, won't work - that will work if i want to set specific releases (stable, testing, etc) to a higher priority... |
| 08:48.59 | liable | well, i didnt mean it in the sexual sense... |
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| 08:49.08 | draeath | but simply a priority boost of '1' to each repo.... |
| 08:49.21 | bushblows | oh, well is it bad to remove |
| 08:49.33 | liable | markybob: 18 and blond, of course.. ;) |
| 08:49.33 | draeath | I KNOW! |
| 08:49.35 | jetscreamer | bushblows: not imo but hey i dunno |
| 08:49.42 | markybob | liable: heh :) |
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| 08:49.50 | draeath | ill set my local repo to 'etch' but leave all else as ' |
| 08:49.50 | bushblows | ok well I just removed it so we will see |
| 08:49.53 | draeath | 'stable' |
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| 08:50.37 | JohnL | Hey.. |
| 08:50.40 | jetscreamer | that might work |
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| 08:50.44 | liable | is that python borkedness fixed now?? |
| 08:50.46 | jetscreamer | hay |
| 08:50.53 | liable | horses eat it |
| 08:51.05 | JohnL | anyone played the emacs adventure game ? |
| 08:51.14 | jetscreamer | alfalfa is bad for horses |
| 08:51.19 | sean | isn't python some uber leet microsoft .net late breaking coding environment for the commodore 64? |
| 08:51.21 | markybob | liable: yes. it was just a single line that needed editing |
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| 08:51.35 | jetscreamer | i've played zcode games, Adventure is one of the titles |
| 08:51.43 | markybob | sean python is the red-headed step-child of programming languages |
| 08:51.58 | liable | markybob: good |
| 08:52.00 | sean | hmmm i'm only getting like 2000kilobytes/second from ftp.us.debian.org, that server must be slooooowww |
| 08:52.05 | draeath | I give up. maybe I'll just symlink the files in the pool directories to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:52.06 | liable | lets see what i can break anyway |
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| 08:52.17 | jetscreamer | sean: iirc it's a roundrobin |
| 08:52.18 | JohnL | jetscreamer: have u completed that game ? |
| 08:52.33 | markybob | sean should've listened to me instead |
| 08:52.35 | jetscreamer | JohnL: no, not a one since dos2.0 |
| 08:52.38 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 08:53.01 | liable | sean: its probably copping a hammering due to etch releasing |
| 08:53.01 | JohnL | Heh.. |
| 08:53.21 | JohnL | Oh.. I have been stuck in a computer room in that game for quite some time now.. |
| 08:53.23 | jetscreamer | there is a big fansite though , or so, and walkthroughs i believe |
| 08:53.27 | sean | markybob i am learning the hardway that you are an above avverage dictator of valid information distribution among those nodding on chloral hydrate |
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| 08:53.33 | busfahrer | what game :-D |
| 08:53.44 | JohnL | jetscreamer: do u have those links ? |
| 08:53.52 | JohnL | busfahrer: adventure game in emacs |
| 08:53.57 | jetscreamer | no... google zcode or |
| 08:54.01 | jetscreamer | so |
| 08:54.06 | sean | hmmm i would think i would get at least 6megabytes or 7 megabytes per second |
| 08:54.06 | markybob | sean heh. i just have no life, is all :) |
| 08:54.22 | sean | markybob oh sure you do |
| 08:54.25 | jetscreamer | if-archive that was it i think |
| 08:54.34 | sean | in fact you're my new technical supervisor |
| 08:54.43 | markybob | does it pay well? |
| 08:54.48 | liable | why is locales broken |
| 08:54.53 | sean | how big is your pipe |
| 08:55.03 | markybob | length or width? |
| 08:55.04 | sean | markybob it has potential |
| 08:55.11 | liable | several dump trucks |
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| 08:55.12 | markybob | couldnt help myself :) |
| 08:55.12 | sean | throughput |
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| 08:55.21 | sebs | at times some of my applications get "Aborted", is there a way to stop this? i am guessing it has to do with the CPU load. |
| 08:55.25 | sean | how about depth? |
| 08:55.27 | liable | markybob: r u a grl? |
| 08:55.30 | jetscreamer | or not |
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| 08:55.45 | markybob | liable: haha...no :) but if i were, i'd be a lesbian. |
| 08:55.47 | sean | this is great its 4:55am EST and there are people on irc |
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| 08:55.53 | sean | it feels like 1994 again |
| 08:56.05 | sebs | sean: haha |
| 08:56.12 | Omena- | E: Package libapache-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
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| 08:56.16 | Omena- | what is this |
| 08:56.23 | Mazingaro | sean: we are not people, but trained bots |
| 08:56.24 | Cashel | efnet <cringe> |
| 08:56.36 | Omena- | i can see it in my apt-get cache search |
| 08:56.40 | jetscreamer | !info libapache-mod-php5 |
| 08:56.41 | Omena- | why cant i install it?? |
| 08:56.42 | sean | well bots have come a long way |
| 08:56.45 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-10 (sid), Packaged size: 2355 kB, Installed size: 5336 kB |
| 08:56.46 | sean | you seem almost hman like |
| 08:56.54 | Omena- | yea the packet is there |
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| 08:56.58 | Omena- | how do i install it |
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| 08:57.06 | sebs | at times some of my applications get "Aborted", is there a way to stop this? i am guessing it has to do with the CPU load. |
| 08:57.08 | sebs | anyone? |
| 08:57.10 | sean | in that sort of "i'm from India, my name is Robert, how may I help you" sort of way. |
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| 08:57.13 | sean | know what i mean? |
| 08:57.18 | jetscreamer | Omena-: i guess you're not worthy |
| 08:57.25 | sebs | i am from india |
| 08:57.26 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 08:57.28 | sebs | or part indian |
| 08:57.32 | Omena- | well how do i become |
| 08:57.48 | liable | by thinking you can? |
| 08:57.50 | jetscreamer | i've no idea why |
| 08:57.52 | sean | sebs hit ctrl+alt+delete and pull the task manager up and see what internet explorer is doing. you probably just have spyware or something. |
| 08:57.53 | bzed | sebs: not nough ram and swap probably? |
| 08:58.02 | liable | wtf!! |
| 08:58.04 | jetscreamer | Omena-: try a different apt-get source |
| 08:58.06 | markybob | Omena-: paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 08:58.12 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 08:58.12 | bzed | sean: O_- |
| 08:58.14 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 08:58.15 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 08:58.19 | draeath | YES! |
| 08:58.24 | sebs | sean: hahaha |
| 08:58.30 | jetscreamer | !congratulate draeath |
| 08:58.30 | dpkg | Woohoo draeath, you did it! |
| 08:58.31 | sebs | hmm so its the swap? |
| 08:58.32 | sean | :) |
| 08:58.33 | draeath | find /repository/disk1/pool -type f -exec ln -sf '{}' \; |
| 08:58.42 | draeath | that did it from inside /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 08:58.46 | sean | sebs get one of those registry cleaners |
| 08:58.49 | bzed | sebs: put the output of free into a pastebin |
| 08:58.49 | sean | dude they work wonders |
| 08:58.51 | Omena- | markybob ok |
| 08:58.54 | malagmyr | Is there a way to get an application to pop up on a specific virtual desktop when I start it? Like, if I want firefox to start on desk 2 when I log in, so it's not visible to me, but it's there when I need it |
| 08:59.01 | sean | i bought one off of a late night infomercial, and my life has never been the same |
| 08:59.09 | bzed | !tell sean about linux |
| 08:59.13 | jetscreamer | malagmyr: yes it is no i don't remember how |
| 08:59.16 | Omena- | deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:59.20 | Omena- | those i have |
| 08:59.24 | sebs | sean: the best way to chat is with mIRC |
| 08:59.28 | sean | plus it came with some indestructable tooth picks with a limited lifetime, 3 day warrant. for only 5 easy payments of 19.99 |
| 08:59.31 | sebs | mIRC:ing is fun |
| 08:59.32 | liable | oh dear |
| 08:59.38 | sean | and one hard as hell payment of 43.27 |
| 08:59.45 | liable | what did i walk into? |
| 08:59.47 | jetscreamer | Omena-: where is the security line |
| 08:59.47 | sebs | mIRCing is the future |
| 08:59.54 | Omena- | jetscreamer i have it too |
| 08:59.55 | sebs | liable: utter madness |
| 08:59.59 | janttsu | l |
| 09:00.00 | Omena- | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 09:00.12 | DavidProck1981 | hay all i have an NTFS drive pluged in, it shows up in "cat /proc/partitions" but i dont know where to go from there, All i want to do is Read my stuff off of it and them format it to a Ext3, Can Someone help |
| 09:00.15 | markybob | kinda pulled that one out of his butt |
| 09:00.15 | Omena- | something is CORRUPTED |
| 09:00.22 | draeath | now... does anyone know how to make a symlink read-only, rather than following the link and changing the file? (eg, i want apt to fail if it tries to clean the archive dir) |
| 09:00.29 | jetscreamer | !tell DavidProck1981 -abour read-ntfs |
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| 09:00.32 | militant | i can just add a sarge entry in sources.list to grab something gthat hasn't made it to etch yet? just a frontend for an nes emulator? |
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| 09:00.36 | sean | ntfs stands for need to fuck satan |
| 09:00.38 | jetscreamer | Omena-: huh? |
| 09:00.41 | liable | yep ftp.debian.org must be getting slammed atm |
| 09:00.45 | sean | its unholy |
| 09:00.52 | bzed | !tell DavidProck1981 about read-ntfs |
| 09:01.00 | liable | even the .au mirror is quicker, which usually sucks ass |
| 09:01.05 | sean | have you guys ever expiremented with chloral hydrate |
| 09:01.08 | jetscreamer | !tell DavidProck1981 -abour ntfsro |
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| 09:01.21 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 09:01.24 | draeath | DavidProck1981, as root, 'mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=UID,gid=GID /dev/path-to-device /mount/point/here' - edit as needed. UID/GID will probably be 1000 (whatever your user is) |
| 09:01.36 | sean | can i um like end this process from ftp.debian.org and choose another server, not missing out on what i've already downloaded? |
| 09:01.43 | Omena- | Package libapache-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another source |
| 09:01.44 | liable | yes |
| 09:01.47 | Omena- | like WTF |
| 09:01.57 | Omena- | why the hell does it then show in the cache list |
| 09:02.06 | sean | liable how? |
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| 09:02.14 | liable | sean: ^c |
| 09:02.28 | sean | it's not stopping it |
| 09:02.28 | jetscreamer | bzed: dpkg didn't tell you target invalid? |
| 09:02.28 | DavidProck1981 | thanks guys |
| 09:02.30 | sean | still going... |
| 09:02.37 | sean | 252 of 697 :( |
| 09:02.37 | zoldar | hello, I've got one process in system that utilizes whole one cpu constantly, it's in R state. I wanted to check what it's doing. However, when I attach strace to it's pid, I see nothing. How is that? Is there any other way to check it ? |
| 09:02.42 | sean | 6% done |
| 09:02.44 | sean | this is ridiculous |
| 09:03.00 | sean | why wont ^c work |
| 09:03.17 | markybob | Omena-: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:03.17 | liable | what keys are you hitting? |
| 09:03.18 | sean | do you guys remember Control C from the Inner Circle back in the early 90s |
| 09:03.24 | sean | ctrl c |
| 09:03.24 | jetscreamer | sean: yes |
| 09:03.35 | sean | werd i knew him |
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| 09:03.40 | jetscreamer | just ctrl c.. but only when it's downloading, not when it's installing stuff |
| 09:03.41 | sean | we were in razor 1911 togather |
| 09:03.44 | liable | sean: works for the other million of us :P |
| 09:03.44 | sean | also dod |
| 09:03.47 | alfredo | Hi |
| 09:03.51 | jetscreamer | it will just take up where you leave off |
| 09:04.05 | sean | well i'm doing the netinstall disk and its not flippin working |
| 09:04.12 | sean | i can switch to other terminals no problem |
| 09:04.14 | liable | duh |
| 09:04.17 | sean | so not like it's locked p or soemthing |
| 09:04.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:04.21 | jetscreamer | installing |
| 09:04.28 | liable | sean: you didnt say you were actually installing *debian* |
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| 09:04.32 | jetscreamer | no idea probably turned off |
| 09:04.34 | sean | well yea okay i am |
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| 09:04.45 | sean | we were discussing partitioning about an hour ago becaus eof me |
| 09:04.46 | jetscreamer | 'apparently' turned off |
| 09:04.50 | sean | so i figured it was a given? |
| 09:04.57 | jetscreamer | oh that was you? |
| 09:05.00 | sean | so how can i stop this shiznit |
| 09:05.01 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 09:05.06 | alfredo | Do you regard Debian as an american software? european? |
| 09:05.10 | sean | yea that was me dope man also mister coke man |
| 09:05.17 | liable | sean: seeing as i just got home, and others part and join all the time, no, its not a given... |
| 09:05.18 | jetscreamer | earthian, alfredo |
| 09:05.30 | draeath | alfredo, are we talking about swallows? |
| 09:05.32 | sean | i'm here to stay |
| 09:05.33 | sean | sorry |
| 09:05.43 | liable | alfredo: neither |
| 09:05.43 | sean | efnet is always idleville now |
| 09:05.47 | sean | so i |
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| 09:05.50 | jetscreamer | efnet is your god |
| 09:05.51 | liable | alfredo: its just free software |
| 09:05.58 | sean | am going to come on here as well as efnet for a while to see how that works out |
| 09:06.00 | alfredo | Ok, thanks |
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| 09:06.11 | draeath | Is there any way to make a link itself read-only? ls shows it as all perms (i dont want the link to be removed) |
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| 09:06.13 | sean | i have been on efnet since it's inception |
| 09:06.14 | Cashel | swallows with a bit a of string between them carrying a coconut? |
| 09:06.37 | jetscreamer | what kind of swallow dammit |
| 09:06.41 | sean | how the heck can i stop this slow flippin connection to ftp.us.debian.org without losing what i've downloaded so far |
| 09:06.42 | sean | please help |
| 09:06.46 | sean | i'll gaypal you |
| 09:06.46 | jetscreamer | laden or unladen |
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| 09:07.00 | sean | bin laden |
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| 09:07.22 | Cashel | sean: everything you've downloaded so far should be saved in /var/apt/cache you know... |
| 09:07.39 | liable | no |
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| 09:07.41 | jetscreamer | draeath: you mean a symlink? no they are always rwxrwxrwx iirc |
| 09:07.46 | draeath | hmm |
| 09:07.49 | Cashel | sean: apt-get install netselect-apt when you get the chance... |
| 09:07.51 | sean | negative |
| 09:08.00 | jetscreamer | but the target isn't |
| 09:08.02 | sean | /var/apt/cache doesn't even exist at this point |
| 09:08.04 | draeath | it didn't take very long... i think ill just make a script to update it, and put it in cron |
| 09:08.08 | Cashel | oh |
| 09:08.13 | liable | sean: just install base without the net plugged in, then choose whatever mirror you want after |
| 09:08.16 | Cashel | wonder where its putting stuff... |
| 09:08.23 | SensationBlack | Hello everybody, do you know any way to recover a forgotten password of a secret gpg key ? |
| 09:08.38 | jetscreamer | unplugh teh intarweb wire! |
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| 09:09.02 | bzed | jetscreamer: no, because I use about instead of abour :P |
| 09:09.07 | Cashel | SensationBlack: that depends, do you work for the FBI or NSA or someone? |
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| 09:09.12 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 09:09.28 | SensationBlack | Cashel : no for my self, I just did forgott my own password |
| 09:09.32 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 09:09.40 | Cashel | SensationBlack: then your screwed me thinks :) |
| 09:09.47 | draeath | SensationBlack, no. |
| 09:09.55 | markybob | SensationBlack: if we could help you get into it without your password, then gpg would be pretty sucky, wouldnt it? |
| 09:09.57 | draeath | SensationBlack, hope you have a revocation certificate! |
| 09:09.57 | jetscreamer | bruteforce that bastard! |
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| 09:10.07 | cydork | SensationBlack: do you have a cluster which can run for few years? |
| 09:10.14 | liable | heh |
| 09:10.18 | jetscreamer | beowulf! |
| 09:10.22 | sean | Cashel, it's putting eerything in /target/var/cache/apt/archves |
| 09:10.36 | SensationBlack | cydork : no I'm just using for file encryption |
| 09:10.40 | sean | i can't msg |
| 09:10.43 | sean | thats gay |
| 09:10.44 | jetscreamer | target is soon to be / btw, it's mounted |
| 09:10.53 | bzed | !tell sean about gay |
| 09:10.56 | draeath | is the 'main' debian mirror a redirecting mirror? |
| 09:11.09 | liable | its a round robin |
| 09:11.10 | jetscreamer | round robin yes |
| 09:11.16 | liable | stop hammering it! |
| 09:11.35 | sean | WTF |
| 09:11.40 | sean | -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- The nickname [sean] is already registered |
| 09:11.40 | draeath | good |
| 09:11.40 | cydork | SensationBlack: then you are SOL :) |
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| 09:11.47 | sean | i demand an ircop to assist me |
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| 09:11.55 | aster | ahhhh |
| 09:11.57 | draeath | http.us.debian.org seems to be having issues |
| 09:11.58 | aster | aster is owned too |
| 09:11.58 | aster | wtf |
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| 09:12.43 | draeath | if I put something in /etc/cron.d do I need to do anything else? |
| 09:12.52 | markybob | sean start over and pick a better mirror. push the big ass power button and hold it down for 4 seconds |
| 09:13.00 | skyll | jesus |
| 09:13.08 | liable | yes my son? |
| 09:13.14 | skyll | how long before previous unusued nicknames lose their tenure |
| 09:13.21 | xand | skyll: never |
| 09:13.26 | DavidProck1981 | draeath i did 'mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=UID,gid=GID /dev/hdb1 /home/prock/ntfs' and i get an error saying mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, missing codepage or other error, In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 09:13.26 | skyll | ok well thats gay |
| 09:13.28 | tenzind | hi ... any application to convert .chm file to pdf? |
| 09:13.29 | skyll | where's an op |
| 09:13.30 | xand | !gay |
| 09:13.30 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 09:13.32 | skyll | i need some manually removed |
| 09:13.35 | draeath | woo! load on the debian mirrors is great! |
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| 09:13.38 | liable | xand: i thought it was a month of no use? |
| 09:13.46 | xand | liable: it's not automatic |
| 09:13.48 | draeath | DavidProck1981, you need to change UID and GID to a number. |
| 09:13.53 | cydork | i think it was 60 days Gnea should know .. |
| 09:13.58 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 09:13.59 | liable | yeah |
| 09:14.04 | draeath | DavidProck1981, the default numbers for the user created in debian install is 1000 |
| 09:14.07 | DavidProck1981 | how do i find out what mine is |
| 09:14.12 | draeath | DavidProck1981, you can look in /etc/passwd |
| 09:14.20 | skyll | where do opers on this network hang out |
| 09:14.21 | cydork | DavidProck1981: id |
| 09:14.29 | xand | skyll: somewhere far away |
| 09:14.40 | draeath | DavidProck1981, also make sure the /home/prock/ntfs directory exists :D |
| 09:14.43 | skyll | i bet there in #freenode |
| 09:14.48 | xand | "they're" |
| 09:14.54 | DavidProck1981 | it does |
| 09:14.56 | skyll | i'm from kentucky |
| 09:14.59 | DavidProck1981 | i just made that sdir |
| 09:15.02 | draeath | DavidProck1981, if it still fails try that 'dmesg | tail' bit and see if you see anything about the error |
| 09:15.08 | xand | that's nice, learn to spell |
| 09:15.16 | markybob | skyll: no one's gonna help you delete registered names |
| 09:15.23 | skyll | oh yea |
| 09:15.39 | skyll | not even for 4.1 million dollars US currency? |
| 09:15.45 | skyll | bank wired? |
| 09:15.47 | DavidProck1981 | ok the change to 1000 worked, thanks |
| 09:15.51 | xand | that's worth like 50p? |
| 09:16.01 | markybob | sigh. |
| 09:16.07 | skyll | David no problem |
| 09:16.10 | draeath | DavidProck1981, no problem. the UID/GID bit is so your user can get in (otherwise only root had access) |
| 09:16.11 | skyll | please ask more qestions |
| 09:16.15 | skyll | we are here to be gay |
| 09:16.21 | xand | skyll: stop being a tard |
| 09:16.26 | skyll | ok |
| 09:16.31 | fluxdude3 | I've installed Etch on my laptop but the touchpad is very very slow, it's sensitivity must be set way too low, does anyone know how to change this? |
| 09:16.32 | skyll | but seriously where are all the chicks though |
| 09:16.41 | xand | who cares |
| 09:16.49 | xand | this isn't a social channel. |
| 09:17.18 | skyll | xand where are you from |
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| 09:17.35 | draeath | OK, i just dropped something in /etc/cron.daily - do i need to do anything else (besides the ownership/permissions stuff) |
| 09:18.20 | skyll | allrght ya'll i'll be back some other time |
| 09:18.22 | markybob | draeath: no |
| 09:18.22 | Cashel | fluxdude3: yeah, cant read nothing but fantasy all the time :) |
| 09:18.28 | draeath | markybob, thanks! |
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| 09:18.33 | skyll | until then may i feel free to idle on this server and in this channel, what not? |
| 09:18.38 | steinchen | hi |
| 09:18.54 | steinchen | how can i do "webbased" burning of cds/dvds? in our lan |
| 09:18.57 | draeath | Yay! my /var/cache/apt/archives directory will be repopulated with symlinks to my local repo's pool files daily! |
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| 09:19.57 | thomas_ | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/6' - please check. I get that when I try to create a new terminal with screen, how to do ? |
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| 09:20.23 | militant | this deb wants python 2.4 but mien is 2.4.4 and it errors? any way to override or is that a bad idea |
| 09:20.39 | skyll | is there a channel on freenode about xboxes? |
| 09:20.52 | fluxdude3 | does anyone know how to change the sensitivity of my laptop touchpad? |
| 09:20.57 | steinchen | is there something like a "burning server"? |
| 09:21.00 | markybob | skyll ...how about you look in the channel list ? |
| 09:21.18 | Cashel | steinchen: yes.. its expensive when it happens tho... |
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| 09:21.33 | skyll | apparently not |
| 09:21.41 | skyll | nothing shows up on /list xbox |
| 09:21.57 | ste_p_james | steinchen: maybe in Webmin? |
| 09:21.58 | markybob | steinchen: http://joerghaeger.de/webCDwriter/ |
| 09:22.02 | skyll | or /list *xbox* rather |
| 09:22.07 | markybob | ste_p_james: oh fuck no |
| 09:22.08 | DavidProck1981 | sorry i got somant questions, its been a while sinsed i used linux, what is the commant to see how much free space u have on all the drives |
| 09:22.35 | zorrolero | DavidProck1981: df |
| 09:22.45 | skyll | whats the largest channel on freenode |
| 09:23.05 | DavidProck1981 | ahh, it was at the tip of my toung but could not say it |
| 09:23.11 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 09:23.12 | steinchen | thx |
| 09:23.19 | RichiH | skyll: irc.netsplit.de |
| 09:23.32 | skyll | channel man channel |
| 09:23.44 | RichiH | look man look |
| 09:24.05 | skyll | all these servers but the on e in irvine are not in the US |
| 09:24.54 | DavidProck1981 | hay is there any way to make df read in MB or GB |
| 09:25.03 | markybob | df -h |
| 09:25.06 | cydork | DavidProck1981: man df |
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| 09:25.15 | Ronin | skyll: yes so? |
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| 09:25.47 | markybob | and it's "hey" |
| 09:25.54 | CharminTheMoose | wasn't xterm not supposed to be in xorg? |
| 09:26.01 | artagnon | What is this iceweasel thing? I ordered firefox and I got iceweasel. I can't remove it without removing firefox |
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| 09:26.13 | cydork | !tell artagnon about iceweasel |
| 09:26.29 | markybob | artagnon: iceweasel is firefox. kinda. look at the wikipedia page |
| 09:26.49 | artagnon | markybob: && cydork: I'll look |
| 09:27.22 | markybob | CharminTheMoose: and what does xterm have to do with xorg? you can remove xterm and keep xorg juts fine |
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| 09:28.47 | artagnon | "Contains only free software" << That's basically the difference then |
| 09:29.10 | militant | ok, i'll ask a different way. i have a newer version of python than the one dpkg insists my local .deb wants. i'm not used to that being a problem... is there a way to force it to go ahead anyway? |
| 09:29.12 | markybob | artagnon: basically mozilla is gay about redistribution and giving our users the same freedoms that the distribution tiself gets |
| 09:29.27 | steinchen | nothing else? |
| 09:29.32 | artagnon | markybob: I see. That's quite sad |
| 09:29.53 | markybob | artagnon: it's the same thing, but the name and graphics have been changed. rebranded, if you will. |
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| 09:29.57 | artagnon | I thought it always supported free software and liked to be a hundred percent free |
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| 09:30.08 | artagnon | markybob: Yes, I read the wikipedia article |
| 09:30.15 | artagnon | With some non-free features removed |
| 09:30.56 | markybob | i personally would very much like to bitchslap whoever's in charge at mozilla corp |
| 09:31.09 | thomas_ | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/6' - please check. I get that when I try to create a new terminal with screen, how to do ? |
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| 09:31.59 | markybob | now if i could just remember the last real firefox package that was made for debian... |
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| 09:32.27 | Bracki | !tell me about lenny |
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| 09:32.56 | markybob | Bracki: /msg dpkg tell me about lenny would be prefered |
| 09:33.17 | markybob | or just /msg dpkg lenny , really. |
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| 09:33.37 | markybob | fuck this ambien's hitting me hard |
| 09:33.43 | skyll | later peepz |
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| 09:33.59 | malagmyr | What's happening here? The word wrap seems to be screwed up when I view man pages. This happens in all kinds of terminals http://b0lt.net/stuff/grr.jpg |
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| 09:39.45 | JarJarBinks | hi people. How do I install a specific version of a package, I have tetex-extra in stable both in version 3.0.dfsg.3-5 and 2.0.2c-8, and I want version 2.0.2c-8, I only know to use apt-get install tetex-extra/stable , but it gives me the newest version, how can I specify the older version? |
| 09:40.24 | malagmyr | help someone? how can I fix my word wrap? |
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| 09:40.48 | Ronin | malagmyr: in what |
| 09:42.11 | ManuP | how do i autostart a program (ONLY) ater login in text-mode, but not everytime bash is executed (in this case i could use .bashrc)? |
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| 09:42.29 | malagmyr | Ronin: any terminal viewing a man page produces this: http://b0lt.net/stuff/grr.jpg |
| 09:42.49 | malagmyr | Ronin: weird characters at the end of wrapped lines |
| 09:43.20 | malagmyr | Ronin: I am norwegian, but I chose english language for my install. Thus I don't see what the problem could be. |
| 09:43.20 | wols_ | JarJarBinks: stable is now etch |
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| 09:43.27 | wols_ | tell it to use "sarge" instead of stable |
| 09:43.34 | wols_ | and have sarge sources of course |
| 09:43.45 | JarJarBinks | wols_: ok thanks |
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| 09:43.47 | vin` | JarJarBinks: use aptitude |
| 09:44.11 | liable | or tetex-extra=2.0.2c-8 |
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| 09:44.36 | JarJarBinks | vin`: I am not compatible with aptitude |
| 09:44.42 | JarJarBinks | but thanks guys |
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| 09:46.45 | thomas_ | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/6' - please check. I get that when I try to create a new terminal with screen, how to do ? |
| 09:46.50 | malagmyr | ManuP: I think rungetty can do that. check out its man page and try putting it in your /etc/inittab |
| 09:48.07 | ManuP | malagmyr, i will look for that, thanks. |
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| 09:48.57 | malagmyr | ManuP: I use rungetty to automatically log in at boot time and launch startx as my user. I don't like having to log in when I'm the only user of my workstation at home. |
| 09:50.28 | ManuP | malagmyr, ah, i see. i want to startx after log in, too *g* |
| 09:50.37 | fluxdude3 | I've made a change to my wireless config in /etc/network/interfaces and then done /etc/init.d/networking restart but it hasn't configured the wireless interface |
| 09:50.40 | fluxdude3 | I don't get it |
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| 09:51.14 | fluxdude3 | I made the initial config, rebooted and it configured the interface, but when making a small change and then doing networking restart it has lost all of it's config on the wireless interface |
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| 09:51.37 | fluxdude3 | I put the config back exactly as it was and did another networking restart and no show |
| 09:51.40 | fluxdude3 | what is going on? |
| 09:51.52 | liri | brb |
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| 09:52.12 | indraveni | is it needed for only yahoo, or to all domains |
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| 09:53.17 | ManuP | malagmyr, i found an other solution: you can just add the command in ~/.bash_profile. so the command is only executed after login |
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| 09:54.04 | fluxdude3 | ok never mind, doing a manual ifdown and ifup seems to have reconfigured it |
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| 09:54.39 | malagmyr | ManuP: that wont log in automatically, though. but I guess you don't need that. |
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| 09:55.35 | Rapp | i have just upgraded to etch, and have one problem: squirrelmail cannot connect to courier anymore. courier works fine over imap/tls, but squirrelmail says: cannot connect to imap server (localhost). has some default setting changed? does courier not listen to loopback anymore? |
| 09:55.58 | ManuP | malagmyr, yes. it only should execute several scripts after the login, such as startx |
| 09:56.55 | markybob | i wonder if kmuto is gonna get cracking on the etch installers nows |
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| 09:58.48 | Omena- | how do you install PHP5 in Apache 1.3 |
| 09:58.52 | malagmyr | I have a problem where I get three weird-looking characters where the - should be in word wrapped man pages... Any ideas? |
| 09:59.19 | markybob | Omena-: apt-get update && apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 09:59.58 | holycow | hey guys |
| 10:00.10 | holycow | i'm trying to dist upgrade from a mirror but i get this erro: GPG error: http://mirror.here.dk testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key |
| 10:00.15 | Omena- | markybob E: Package libapache-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
| 10:00.23 | holycow | is it possible to tell apt to ignore that and just go on with installing? |
| 10:00.34 | markybob | Omena-: use etch in your sources.list then do it again |
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| 10:00.55 | Omena- | what is "etch" |
| 10:01.05 | Omena- | is it unstable or testing or what |
| 10:01.08 | holycow | character from the toy story movie |
| 10:01.10 | Omena- | im using Stable now |
| 10:01.12 | holycow | no current stable release |
| 10:01.37 | Omena- | im using stable main |
| 10:01.40 | xand | etch is stable |
| 10:01.44 | MindCr | etch is the new stable release |
| 10:01.44 | liable | etch has just been released as stable |
| 10:01.49 | holycow | thats it if you have the latest updates |
| 10:01.49 | Omena- | WICH IS IT |
| 10:01.53 | Omena- | stable or etch |
| 10:01.55 | xand | Omena-: We JUST SAID |
| 10:01.59 | liable | BOTH |
| 10:02.00 | xand | stable == etch |
| 10:02.05 | Omena- | well wtf then |
| 10:02.12 | liable | derr |
| 10:02.12 | holycow | someone needs a lesson on how debian is released |
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| 10:02.13 | markybob | Omena-: fuck. do what i said' |
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| 10:02.31 | markybob | Omena-: or go help yourself |
| 10:02.40 | xand | !etch |
| 10:02.40 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 10:02.44 | Omena- | markybob if (stable == etch) { echo "im already using it"; } |
| 10:02.45 | liable | or kill |
| 10:02.46 | holycow | oh i just scrolled |
| 10:02.59 | holycow | Omena-, stop being a dick and just do what the nice folks tell you to do |
| 10:03.03 | holycow | if you don't understand why google it |
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| 10:03.10 | markybob | Omena-: but mirrors are still being gay so fucking listen to me and change it |
| 10:03.11 | malagmyr | In the regular consoles (not x) I get a square instead of the -'s when words are wrapped in manpages. However, -'s that are in the text already apprear just fine. I really would appreciate some help with this, as I think all of my current problems are related to this issue. |
| 10:03.16 | markybob | fucking ass wholes |
| 10:03.27 | liable | ass wholes? |
| 10:03.30 | xand | !gay |
| 10:03.30 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 10:03.31 | Ronin | markybob: you find that helps? |
| 10:03.34 | markybob | come in here because they dont know anything and need help and suddenly they know everything and we know nothing |
| 10:03.36 | Omena- | deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ stable main is gonna be deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 10:03.41 | Omena- | ? |
| 10:04.00 | holycow | markybob, indeed |
| 10:04.03 | holycow | vey common *nod* |
| 10:04.09 | Ronin | markybob: breath, you're going to hurt yourself |
| 10:04.14 | markybob | i'd use mirrors2.kernel.org instead of ftp.fi.debian.org |
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| 10:04.27 | Omena- | last time i changes my sources.list |
| 10:04.28 | mfi_ | I'm getting an error after apt-get install emacs21 |
| 10:04.33 | Omena- | i had to reinstall the whole fucking system |
| 10:04.39 | mfi_ | http://modify.us/37 |
| 10:04.41 | holycow | well keep a fucking backup |
| 10:04.42 | Omena- | so im sorry that im not big fan of changin things in there |
| 10:04.44 | holycow | are you that stupid? |
| 10:04.47 | zenbum | Omena-: you can use either stable or etch... they're the same thing until next release (lenny) |
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| 10:04.52 | fluxdude3 | my laptop touchpad is extremely slow, I've downloaded tpconfig to try to do something about it, but it doesn't seem to have anything to affect touchpad sensitivity, any ideas? |
| 10:05.02 | Omena- | stable != etch |
| 10:05.08 | holycow | yes it does |
| 10:05.13 | holycow | someone kick him |
| 10:05.14 | zenbum | stable == etch! |
| 10:05.16 | Omena- | why the fuck do they have to keeo changin these things |
| 10:05.19 | holycow | this is annoying |
| 10:05.22 | Omena- | 4 yeqars ago |
| 10:05.27 | jjkal | haha |
| 10:05.29 | xand | Omena-: why the fuck does debian get updated?! |
| 10:05.29 | Omena- | Stable Unstable Testing |
| 10:05.32 | xand | tard |
| 10:05.35 | Omena- | everything ued to be good |
| 10:05.35 | markybob | seriously...i'm on heart medication and you guys are gonna kill me |
| 10:05.41 | xand | it's stable, testing, unstable |
| 10:05.41 | moshii | What's with all the swearing... |
| 10:05.44 | Omena- | now theres like zillion edbians |
| 10:05.45 | holycow | Omena-, no, you are just a fucking twat |
| 10:05.45 | markybob | it's not that fucking hard |
| 10:05.46 | jjkal | patience boy |
| 10:05.51 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.28 | zenbum | Omena-: are you dense or just a troll? |
| 10:06.38 | moshii | fluxdude3: what driver are you using? |
| 10:06.43 | Omena- | i just dont trust apt |
| 10:07.00 | Omena- | its the most horrible program ever made |
| 10:07.03 | zenbum | Omena-: maybe debian is not a good distro for you |
| 10:07.07 | holycow | lol |
| 10:07.08 | holycow | oh wow |
| 10:07.10 | Omena- | it BRAKES |
| 10:07.15 | Omena- | and when i try ask for repair |
| 10:07.18 | holycow | someone just ban the fucker |
| 10:07.18 | wols_ | Omena-: soory, but then debian is not for you, seriously |
| 10:07.19 | Omena- | ppl just say reinstall |
| 10:07.21 | holycow | seriously |
| 10:07.22 | xand | it "brakes"? you mean it slows down? |
| 10:07.22 | bzed | !kill Omena- |
| 10:07.28 | wols_ | apt is in many ways at tha heart of debian |
| 10:07.41 | moshii | fluxdude3: I've found that when my touchpad is using ps/2 emulation it's fine.. with the synaptics driver its slow like you said |
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| 10:07.41 | Omena- | it starts telling ERROR |
| 10:07.41 | zenbum | Omena-: go use RHEL instead then |
| 10:07.43 | holycow | or better yet |
| 10:07.44 | wols_ | just like the yum is on fedora, yast on suse, etc |
| 10:07.45 | holycow | go use windows |
| 10:07.46 | fluxdude3 | Omena: they say reinstall cos they don't think you are smart enough to use linux |
| 10:07.46 | Omena- | always it has to do that |
| 10:07.47 | holycow | seriously |
| 10:07.51 | holycow | just fuck off already |
| 10:07.59 | fluxdude3 | modern installers can be used even by wintendians... |
| 10:08.01 | holycow | billy gates loves taking money from guys like you |
| 10:08.20 | moshii | Omena-: um if you can't use apt consider typing /leave #debian |
| 10:08.34 | vin` | Omena-: tried aptitude? |
| 10:08.59 | vin` | or synaptic |
| 10:08.59 | fluxdude3 | vin`: pls don't encourage the village idiot |
| 10:09.05 | mfi_ | Any idea guys why am I getting this error? |
| 10:09.06 | Omena- | dont have GUI |
| 10:09.20 | moshii | Omena-: aptitude is curses based |
| 10:09.28 | Omena- | but using the wrong apt source == VERY BAD |
| 10:09.43 | fluxdude3 | Omena: seriously dude, leave and don't come back, you are not made for linux. |
| 10:09.43 | xand | Omena-: whose fault is that? |
| 10:09.44 | moshii | Omena-: that's your fault not debian's |
| 10:09.46 | wols_ | Omena-: what kind of error(s) so you get? |
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| 10:09.54 | dog | hello |
| 10:09.57 | Omena- | wols_ currently just one |
| 10:09.58 | xand | woof. |
| 10:09.59 | Omena- | that not bad |
| 10:10.05 | Omena- | sometimes it freezes completely |
| 10:10.11 | Omena- | then its reinstall time |
| 10:10.12 | xand | uhuh |
| 10:10.15 | dog | i've a little problem installing TK for perl by cpan |
| 10:10.15 | wols_ | and that error is? |
| 10:10.19 | malagmyr | Omena-: well of course. just as using the wrong cd when you want to install something from a cd is bad. if you want to install Windows (which you do), I don't suggest putting in your latest nsync cd |
| 10:10.20 | moshii | Omena-: what freezes? |
| 10:10.21 | dog | someone can help me? |
| 10:10.27 | xand | #perl |
| 10:10.34 | dog | thank |
| 10:10.39 | Omena- | yea |
| 10:10.40 | dog | and excuse me |
| 10:10.41 | wols_ | and no, a freezing program doesn't mean reinstall time. could it be your hardware is on the brink of failing? |
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| 10:10.44 | Omena- | and now im using some debian |
| 10:10.49 | Insolit | well though i don't agree with the way Omena- talked i must also say that codenames are confusing to people that are not always on the top of things |
| 10:10.51 | Omena- | and i dont know if etch repo is gonna be good |
| 10:10.53 | holycow | doesn't anyone have kick powers? |
| 10:10.57 | holycow | time to chuck the troll |
| 10:10.57 | wols_ | Omena-: "some debian"? |
| 10:10.59 | holycow | !ops |
| 10:11.00 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 10:11.03 | Omena- | or is it gonna be like nsync for my debian |
| 10:11.15 | moshii | Omena-: ftp.debian.org should be good... |
| 10:11.15 | wols_ | Omena-: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 10:11.17 | xand | *nsync? |
| 10:11.31 | wols_ | what does this say? it will tell you which debian you have so we can tell you which repos to use |
| 10:11.33 | zenbum | Omena-: are you currently using sarge? |
| 10:11.36 | vin` | Insolit: don't use them. use stable, testing .... |
| 10:11.36 | moshii | Omena-: or any of the mirrors listed on the debian site which are synced from it |
| 10:11.39 | Omena- | im not sure |
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| 10:12.04 | wols_ | Omena-: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1. What does this say? |
| 10:12.15 | jzu_ | Hi |
| 10:12.27 | Insolit | vin`: but when i look into a mirror i see all that stuff, if i'm new to debian it's confusing, that's the only thing i mean to say :) |
| 10:12.39 | Omena- | lemme look what dpkg -l does |
| 10:12.42 | jzu_ | Do Prism2.5 devices work with Prism2 drivers? |
| 10:12.43 | jzu_ | so is Prism2.5 chip backward compatible? |
| 10:13.11 | Omena- | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:13.32 | moshii | Insolit: you mean the structure of the mirrors is confusing? |
| 10:13.33 | Rapp | debian etch mentions that exim4 config does not support dsearch directives. how am i supposed to do this now? |
| 10:13.39 | wols_ | Insolit: "stable" or "testing" means different things at various times. codenames always stay the same |
| 10:13.39 | Insolit | moshii: y |
| 10:13.43 | Omena- | i just made dist-upgrade from stable repo |
| 10:13.48 | Omena- | from 3.1 to 4.0 |
| 10:13.56 | Omena- | whatever that means |
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| 10:14.15 | zenbum | Omena-: 4.0 == etch (which is also stable until next release) |
| 10:14.18 | Insolit | wols_: codenames are once unstable then become stable |
| 10:14.25 | moshii | Insolit: hmm, I don't think that's a problem... packages.debian.org is there for reason |
| 10:14.39 | wols_ | Omena-: can't be etch. then it would have "etch" in its version number |
| 10:14.43 | wols_ | !info libc6 etch |
| 10:14.48 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 10:14.56 | wols_ | Insolit: no never. sid is the only unstable debian and it will always be sid |
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| 10:15.31 | moshii | Insolit: testing becomes stable |
| 10:15.48 | moshii | Insolit: sid will always be unstable |
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| 10:17.38 | Insolit | well maybe i'll understand the advantages of using codenames later on, for the moment i prefer it simple like mandriva mirrors are |
| 10:17.39 | vin` | !releases |
| 10:17.39 | dpkg | methinks releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 10:18.07 | liable | meh, an extra 124MB used for a sever upgrade\ |
| 10:18.37 | moshii | Insolit: um, I dunno why you would have problems with the mirrors |
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| 10:20.39 | bytejumper | hi, how I can install with apt-get vim v7 ? |
| 10:20.49 | Bracki | apt-get install vim |
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| 10:20.55 | Bracki | if its etch |
| 10:20.59 | Bracki | sarge got 6.3 |
| 10:21.04 | bytejumper | it installs me vim 7 (sarge ) |
| 10:21.07 | bytejumper | sorry 6 |
| 10:21.16 | xand | upgrade to etch |
| 10:21.24 | moshii | bytejumper: upgrade to etch, or use a backport |
| 10:21.28 | Bracki | !tell bytejumper about backports |
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| 10:21.49 | bytejumper | so what should I do when I will stay on sarge ? |
| 10:22.03 | vin` | bytejumper: backports |
| 10:22.12 | moshii | bytejumper: if you want to stay on sarge use or make a backport |
| 10:22.59 | bytejumper | can You please explain how I should do that ? Or should I search trough google an hour ? :) |
| 10:23.11 | vin` | bytejumper: read what dpkg told you. |
| 10:23.54 | bytejumper | alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 10:24.08 | bytejumper | after that shoul i do an apt-get update ? |
| 10:24.10 | xand | or install it from source |
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| 10:24.27 | vin` | or roll your own package. |
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| 10:24.41 | malagmyr | How can hyphens already in man pages appear correctly while those that are put in by line wrap appear as squares in the console or weird characters in X? |
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| 10:24.49 | bytejumper | the problem is I'am a long Slackware user and I'm new in Debian |
| 10:25.00 | bytejumper | and I will try it with apt-get :) |
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| 10:26.07 | vin` | bytejumper: also give aptitude a whirl. |
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| 10:26.59 | xand | craptitude :| |
| 10:27.13 | vin` | xand: what's your gripe? |
| 10:27.24 | moshii | bytejumper: why don't you want to move to etch? |
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| 10:27.33 | bytejumper | thanks People for all the help, I will do my best. I'm glad that such helpfull people exists |
| 10:27.55 | bytejumper | moshi, because I'm new in Debian, and will first figure out how the package system exactly work |
| 10:28.05 | xand | vin`: it breaks things ime |
| 10:28.21 | vin` | bytejumper: them start fresh, use the just released 'etch'! |
| 10:28.23 | bytejumper | when I do a upgrade I can't controll wich packages are upgraded, yet... |
| 10:28.29 | moshii | bytejumper: ah, you might find etch nicer to work with if you're new |
| 10:28.43 | vin` | xand: extremely stable here. |
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| 10:29.02 | bytejumper | sure, but I have a dedicated serer running on Sarge |
| 10:29.14 | bytejumper | and to many soft are installed to start from the beginning |
| 10:29.19 | vin` | bytejumper: hold packages, /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:30.13 | moshii | bytejumper: dist-upgrading to etch hasn't been a huge problem here |
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| 10:30.24 | moshii | bytejumper: on dedicated servers :) |
| 10:30.39 | bytejumper | maybe in one week or two :) |
| 10:30.54 | bytejumper | when I feel the power :) |
| 10:31.11 | vin` | powA to the peeps! |
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| 10:31.48 | moshii | etch seems to go very nicely on Dell's stuff :) |
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| 10:33.14 | |DuReX| | hello guys, i got a lil problem, lvm doesn't start when i boot my system, i need to start it manually every tile. But lvm exists in /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm so it should run @ boot no ? |
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| 10:37.31 | Guerin | |DuReX|: check dmesg for errors |
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| 10:38.16 | moshii | |DuReX|: could be the LVM stuff isn't in the initrd so it's available until root it up.. |
| 10:38.36 | Guerin | in which case you're fux0red |
| 10:38.41 | capiira | boah ubuntu community irc channels are soo useless i never saw so many ignorant people |
| 10:39.13 | |DuReX| | nothing in dmesg for lvm |
| 10:39.32 | capiira | bbl |
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| 10:40.04 | moshii | Guerin: my thinking was root is outside lvm so it fails on boot but works once root it is up and the real modules etc are available |
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| 10:40.37 | |DuReX| | root filesystem is not on lvm so thats fine |
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| 10:42.00 | malagmyr | How can hyphens already in man pages appear correctly while those that are put in by line wrap appear as squares in the console or weird characters in X? |
| 10:42.18 | moshii | |DuReX|: I'm just checking out how a RAID1 + RAID1/LVM system here is working... |
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| 10:43.00 | EdLin | malagmyr: soft-hyphenation in certain word processors was like that on other platforms. |
| 10:43.58 | malagmyr | EdLin: I'm running on an Intel Mac Mini |
| 10:44.18 | indego | I have done a fresh install on my desktop with 4.0+XFCE, since I cannot SSH into one server running OpenBSD. |
| 10:44.18 | indego | Trying from an older installation I have no problem. I also tried from another desktop running 4.0 and had the same problems. |
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| 10:44.25 | EdLin | malagmyr: that's irrelevant. What software is this that you're running in Debian that's doing this? |
| 10:44.30 | skandaleras | hi all! I'm using the reportbug tool and I wonder what the fuck "incoming" means in this context? :S |
| 10:44.37 | skandaleras | option 3 advanced -> Like standard, but assumes you know a bit more about Debian, including "incoming". |
| 10:44.52 | malagmyr | EdLin: well, "man foo" in the regular console does it... |
| 10:44.56 | EdLin | skandaleras: IYNTAYS, like it says. |
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| 10:45.31 | EdLin | malagmyr: then maybe your locale or TERM= is incorrect. |
| 10:45.41 | liable | hehe.. What to do if my system does not boot anymore? |
| 10:45.42 | liable | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 10:45.54 | liable | First thing: don't panic! |
| 10:45.56 | malagmyr | In X it appears like this: http://b0lt.net/stuff/grr.jpg ..very annoying |
| 10:46.03 | moshii | liable: get a debian cd out and fix it |
| 10:46.29 | EdLin | malagmyr: well, since I don't have X installed here that helps me none. |
| 10:46.29 | liable | moshii: thats all well and good when you have a monitor for it :P |
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| 10:46.55 | bigwig | hello |
| 10:46.58 | moshii | liable: haha, this is where you buy a sparc and use the serial console |
| 10:47.09 | skandaleras | hahaha, I suppose you are right EdLin, curiosity killed the cat ;) |
| 10:47.30 | bigwig | could you please tell me which package contains the manual pages for functions read, write, etc. in etch? |
| 10:47.31 | malagmyr | EdLin: how can I check my locale? |
| 10:47.32 | moshii | I wonder if you can poke something into the debian cd's prompt to get it to start a serial console |
| 10:47.46 | malagmyr | EdLin: $TERM says "linux" |
| 10:47.49 | EdLin | malagmyr: "locale" |
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| 10:48.01 | liable | moshii: yes, in innitab |
| 10:48.10 | vaq | How do i find out which packages has the command "gem" ? |
| 10:48.12 | liable | oh, not the cd i dont think |
| 10:48.18 | malagmyr | EdLin: everything is set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 10:48.28 | cydork | vaq: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:48.31 | Guerin | vaq: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:48.34 | EdLin | malagmyr: there's your answer, not everything likes UTF. |
| 10:48.38 | moshii | liable: I would have thought there would be a way to start an install using serial |
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| 10:49.09 | EdLin | malagmyr: hmm, maybe that's not it. |
| 10:49.27 | moshii | liable: if it's a pc maybe it's just got some bios prompt up and needs f1 or something :P |
| 10:49.32 | liable | !confuse EdLin |
| 10:49.32 | dpkg | Yes, how was your snake yesterday, EdLin? lederhosen of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 10:49.33 | bigwig | bye |
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| 10:49.45 | malagmyr | EdLin: I don't like it either. How can I change it? |
| 10:50.04 | malagmyr | EdLin: oh? hm.. |
| 10:50.35 | EdLin | malagmyr: you'll have to excuse me, I'm pondering yesterday's snake and swaziland cheese. |
| 10:51.02 | malagmyr | EdLin: changing to ISO-8859-15 now. rebooting the mac |
| 10:51.22 | buggy_ | wah wah |
| 10:51.24 | buggy_ | wah |
| 10:51.25 | buggy_ | ... |
| 10:51.34 | EdLin | !comfort buggy_ |
| 10:51.34 | dpkg | There, there, buggy_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 10:52.08 | Insolit | i found a script to linux that has the following [[-x /etc/init..d/... ]] |
| 10:52.15 | Insolit | what does [[-x mean? |
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| 10:53.29 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 10:53.48 | malagmyr | EdLin: whoa. that fixed every single problem I had on this machine... No more weird characters for hyphens, no more blinking console in aterm, the first character on each line doesn't blink as I type anymore... UTF go to hell, I say. |
| 10:54.00 | EdLin | Insolit: that should be [ -x with a space. man test |
| 10:54.39 | PDani | hi |
| 10:54.40 | Insolit | EdLim: exactly thanks :D |
| 10:55.17 | EdLin | Insolit: that's "EdLin", EdLim is "EdLin improved" |
| 10:55.22 | malagmyr | Hey, do any of you know how to enable Wake on Lan on a mac mini without OSX? I keep sending magic packets and pressing the remote but nothing happens. |
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| 10:56.14 | davut | hi |
| 10:56.14 | Guerin | malagmyr: ask #mactards |
| 10:56.16 | indego | Here is some more info on my broken SSH issue: http://paste.debian.net/25364 |
| 10:56.29 | davut | I am looking for eaccelerator packages for rtch |
| 10:56.30 | davut | etch |
| 10:56.38 | davut | is there any? |
| 10:56.42 | liable | moshii: is it running debian? |
| 10:56.47 | liable | malagmyr: ^^^ |
| 10:56.57 | malagmyr | yes, of course |
| 10:56.57 | Guerin | davut: wtf is eaccellerator? |
| 10:57.04 | zenbum | Insolit: [[ is slightly different than [ . . . . see man bash |
| 10:57.19 | liable | malagmyr: does eth-tool show it enabled with wol? |
| 10:57.25 | liable | malagmyr: whats the chipset? |
| 10:57.29 | davut | Guerin: it is a php opcode optimizer and cacher |
| 10:57.29 | malagmyr | Intel |
| 10:57.38 | Guerin | davut: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:58.13 | davut | ok Guerin |
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| 10:58.23 | malagmyr | liable: can't find anything called eth-tool. tried apt-cache search and apt-file |
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| 10:59.20 | malagmyr | liable: oh. without the -. chekcing now |
| 10:59.38 | liable | ya, ethtool |
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| 11:02.37 | malagmyr | liable: ethtool doesn't say anything about supporting Wake-on. guess the driver i'm using doesn't fully support the nic in this thing |
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| 11:03.17 | malagmyr | Cannot get current wake-on-lan settings: Operation not supported |
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| 11:04.39 | liable | do apple say its supported? |
| 11:04.50 | malagmyr | yes |
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| 11:04.58 | Guerin | complain to them |
| 11:05.06 | Guerin | good luck with that |
| 11:05.09 | malagmyr | indeed |
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| 11:05.21 | liable | why the hell does installing image-2.6-686 want to remove my running kernel? |
| 11:05.29 | liable | thats fucking stupid |
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| 11:05.38 | Guerin | liable: because metapackages are stupid |
| 11:05.45 | liable | indeed |
| 11:05.45 | amphi | liable: to give you a little excitement ;) |
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| 11:06.00 | liable | i dont need that kind of exitement :) |
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| 11:08.30 | liable | Guerin: but following the release notes suggests it, and being the good little debianite that i am .... |
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| 11:09.16 | fluxdude3 | anyone know how to stop my new laptop from beeping all the time, I've switched off the system beep in Gnome but it still happens in gdm and on the console |
| 11:09.35 | fluxdude3 | it's the system beep when there are no more options or you have hit the end of something |
| 11:09.38 | liable | hrm, its not the meta-package doing it anyway |
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| 11:10.45 | cydork | fluxdude3: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 11:11.16 | cydork | liable: it's not? |
| 11:12.16 | liable | cydork: no, and its not a conflict, it just says its unused.. |
| 11:12.30 | liable | then wants to remove the fucker |
| 11:13.15 | zoldar | after fresh install of etch i've got non-alphanumeric characters being displayed ok on first console, but there's some rubbish on the following consoles... anybody experienced something like that? |
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| 11:13.51 | cydork | liable: do you have linux-image-686 installed? |
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| 11:14.49 | liable | cydork: i didnt, no. but i did install it, then i removed it. |
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| 11:15.50 | crm_ | do i need to "make clean" before making if i just add a driver in the kernel configuration? |
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| 11:17.27 | fengor | crm_: as long as you just add a driver as a module that wasnt prior selected you shouldnt need make clean |
| 11:18.01 | delight | whats the name of NVU in etch ? |
| 11:18.16 | delight | trying to install nvu but did not find it in the repos |
| 11:18.24 | xand | maybe it's not there |
| 11:18.30 | delight | maybe |
| 11:18.34 | delight | do you know? |
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| 11:18.58 | xand | well if apt-cache search doesn't find it |
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| 11:20.07 | delight | yes you are right there should be a transitional name even if it got renamed |
| 11:20.57 | liable | should be there |
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| 11:21.21 | liable | actually, i recall it getting removed a while back |
| 11:21.37 | cydork | delight: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:22.04 | Insolit | how can i check if dma is enabled for a USB external drive? |
| 11:23.05 | crm_ | thanks fengor |
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| 11:24.35 | delight | liable: welll thats kind of an odd decision ... maybe cause it wasn't the most stable piece of software ... but i felt it to be kind of nice for some small jobs |
| 11:24.46 | delight | well i guess I'll have to go without it :) |
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| 11:29.48 | Fujitsu | delight, liable: It was removed due to being really buggy and unmaintained upstream. |
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| 11:32.56 | beware | hi |
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| 11:34.31 | MrWup | hey |
| 11:34.34 | MrWup | http://download.opengroupware.org/nightly/packages/debian/dists/sarge/trunk/binary-i386/ |
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| 11:34.43 | MrWup | thats the directory of the packages stuff to install opengroupware |
| 11:34.55 | moshii | Insolit: the dma will be between the driver and the bridge controller |
| 11:34.56 | MrWup | what do i have to put in my sources list to be able to apt-get it? |
| 11:35.39 | moshii | delight: wuanta is good in my opinion |
| 11:35.47 | moshii | delight: quanta |
| 11:36.50 | beware | if i connect a wireless access point to a switch, with a network cable, will the access point directly share the same lan? |
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| 11:37.52 | moshii | beware: it should |
| 11:38.04 | beware | ok |
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| 11:38.27 | beware | how does one typically access the access point's own IP, as used for configuration? since an access point tries to appear as a layer 2 device |
| 11:38.42 | beware | (im talking about a WRT54GL in particular, a very "luxury" device) |
| 11:38.56 | xand | what? |
| 11:39.02 | moshii | beware: it'll have default ip.. change it to the same subnet as the rest of your network |
| 11:39.09 | beware | ok |
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| 11:40.01 | malagmyr | er. How can I boot from the harddrive when a bootable cd is inserted and i get a boot: prompt? |
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| 11:40.20 | moshii | beware: if you connect a switch to the switch in the WRT it'll basically just extend the switch on the WRT |
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| 11:40.58 | moshii | beware: and in it's default state the WRT will have a bridge running between the wireless and wired interfaces |
| 11:42.35 | mai_ | I've installed Debian earlier this morning, and I got one the sound server that didn't like to work or some sort. |
| 11:42.50 | mai_ | Any idea on how can i fix it? |
| 11:43.02 | moshii | malagmyr: you want to boot the root fs on disk using the keenel from cd? |
| 11:43.08 | moshii | malagmyr: *kernel |
| 11:43.24 | malagmyr | moshii: no, I just want to boot as if the cd wasn't there without removing it |
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| 11:43.53 | xipietotec | is there a debian repository somewhere for gsculpt that anyone knows of? |
| 11:43.57 | moshii | malagmyr: um, you'll have to change you boot options to miss the cdrom |
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| 11:44.28 | mai_ | No love |
| 11:44.42 | moshii | mai_: etch install? |
| 11:45.07 | yos87 | hi |
| 11:45.13 | mai_ | moshii: Yeah. |
| 11:45.23 | davut | hey I wanna install joomla on a debian server |
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| 11:45.33 | davut | but joomla is not very stable with mysql-5 |
| 11:45.34 | yos87 | hi |
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| 11:45.52 | davut | I wanna install mysql-4 but I think it is not supported on eth anymore |
| 11:45.58 | mai_ | moshii: Any idea? |
| 11:46.04 | davut | how can I install mysql4 on etch |
| 11:46.35 | yos87 | I have a question, Where can I get the full Packages List of the debian 4.0 ? |
| 11:46.52 | moshii | mai_: what part of your sound setup isn't working? did you install the alsa stuff? |
| 11:47.18 | moshii | yos87: um, packages.debian.org might have it .. |
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| 11:48.02 | yos87 | moshii: I want the full list, not catigorized |
| 11:48.13 | moshii | yos87: http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages |
| 11:48.26 | moshii | yos87: just had to look really, there is a link |
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| 11:50.12 | yos87 | moshii: Oh I see, Thank you |
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| 11:51.54 | liable | wish me luck, time to reboot, lets hope my raid starts |
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| 11:52.30 | earthian | hello, what is the command for mke2fs that does not formats a partition but simulates the format and shows location of superblocks? |
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| 11:54.09 | SlayerXP | earthian: afaik, there isn't one. |
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| 11:54.34 | earthian | there is. i have fuked something in my filesystem and now fsck does not find the superblocks |
| 11:54.44 | capiira | hmm is there a way to define make flags using make-kpkg ? |
| 11:54.50 | earthian | its a 498 gb volume :/ |
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| 11:55.32 | sep | earthian, mkfs2 -n ? |
| 11:55.45 | moshii | earthian: fsck should find the superblock backups on it's own |
| 11:56.03 | sep | mke2fs -n |
| 11:56.06 | earthian | moshii, it cant |
| 11:56.11 | earthian | or |
| 11:56.11 | earthian | hm |
| 11:56.13 | vin` | capiira: looked at man make-kpkg? |
| 11:56.17 | yos87 | how many packages on Debian 4.0? |
| 11:56.18 | earthian | wherre is the 1st block by default? |
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| 11:56.30 | earthian | i think i have sector or size of 4KB |
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| 11:56.41 | Ronin | yos87: several thousand |
| 11:57.09 | gnudownload | debhelper, need help |
| 11:57.34 | capiira | i don't really understand that man pages |
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| 11:57.42 | earthian | moshii, i believe that my partition just moved 63 sectors ahead |
| 11:58.07 | earthian | i.e. 512*63 bytes |
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| 11:58.35 | moshii | earthian: dd part of it off with an offset and run fsck on the resulting file maybe? |
| 11:58.36 | vin` | capiira: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:58.54 | moshii | earthian: just to confirm it before you do it on the real thing |
| 11:59.02 | earthian | moshii, its nrealy 50GB disk |
| 11:59.07 | gnudownload | earthian, please help me http://rafb.net/p/5qew0A14.html :( |
| 11:59.11 | earthian | 500* |
| 11:59.17 | capiira | need to compile the kernel with a special option but my kernel becomes 228mb large |
| 11:59.29 | earthian | lol capiira |
| 11:59.31 | earthian | how come? |
| 11:59.39 | earthian | source is not more than 50mb |
| 11:59.40 | earthian | :/ |
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| 11:59.53 | capiira | someone told me that's maybe because of INSTALL_MOD_STRIP is not = 1 |
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| 11:59.57 | moshii | earthian: you don't need all of it .. just enough that fsck says it found the superblocks and then you come fix the real thing |
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| 12:00.19 | earthian | gnudownload, i dont know what that gforce plugin is, sorry :/ |
| 12:00.32 | earthian | i see moshii good idea. thanks |
| 12:00.34 | moshii | earthian: *can fix the real thing |
| 12:01.01 | capiira | yeah i wonder that too |
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| 12:01.18 | gnudownload | capiira, can help me? http://rafb.net/p/5qew0A14.html |
| 12:01.42 | moshii | earthian: if you think it just everything have has moved 63 bytes forward,.. simulate, confirm, then do for real |
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| 12:02.04 | capiira | not really sorry i'm a linux noob |
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| 12:02.09 | boodie | Hi - has anyone experienced rosegarden? |
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| 12:04.24 | gnudownload | is anyone can help me? please read http://rafb.net/p/5qew0A14.html |
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| 12:04.50 | boodie | Hi - has anyone experienced mysql? |
| 12:05.32 | boodie | I need to establish a connection to mysql - only because I'm tryin to run a program using it |
| 12:05.52 | bytejumper | boonie what exactlu do You mean ? |
| 12:05.56 | streuner | gnudownload: did you read the docs of this package itselfs? |
| 12:06.31 | streuner | gnudownload: /usr/share/doc/gforge-plugin-scmsvn/README.Debian or such? |
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| 12:06.48 | gnudownload | streuner, such? |
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| 12:07.22 | gnudownload | streuner, wait thanks |
| 12:07.24 | streuner | well, usually the maint. of the package gives some hints there, usually in README.Debian |
| 12:07.58 | lero_ | hey, people who upgraded sarge to etch, it's fine ? |
| 12:08.15 | streuner | errata or relase notes should know about that |
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| 12:11.54 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - iptables keeps printing out logs of every packet to the VT - how can i stop this? googling hasn't helped |
| 12:12.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | it doesn't do it over ssh, but the 'local' console over the IPKVM is unusable |
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| 12:13.56 | Super_Cat_Frog | my iptables script is here: http://rafb.net/p/MisW7Y95.html |
| 12:13.59 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: can you show us the rules that jump to the LOG target? (or just show us all the rules)? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 12:14.40 | stew | oh |
| 12:14.45 | stew | i missed the paste |
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| 12:14.49 | Super_Cat_Frog | iptables --list: http://rafb.net/p/aabniL69.html |
| 12:15.05 | xand | Super_Cat_Frog: dmesg -n1 should make it stfu for at least the time being |
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| 12:15.19 | xand | mrfan: pardon? |
| 12:15.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | xand: ah, thank god for that |
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| 12:15.47 | Super_Cat_Frog | any idea of a more permanant solution? |
| 12:15.54 | mrfan | xand: nothing :D |
| 12:16.04 | xand | ummm |
| 12:16.14 | stew | hmm, i don't know what the default loglevel for iptables is |
| 12:16.30 | Super_Cat_Frog | i dont care about iptables logging - how can i set it to off |
| 12:16.42 | vin` | won't setting something in /etc/syslog.conf work? |
| 12:16.42 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: get rid of the rule that says -j LOG |
| 12:16.44 | xand | Super_Cat_Frog: your iptables script must be enabling it |
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| 12:17.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | ah ta |
| 12:17.19 | MrWup | sigh |
| 12:17.24 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: or maybe add a --log-level warn |
| 12:17.32 | MrWup | ive been trying for a week now every night to install some sort of groupware on debian etch |
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| 12:17.37 | MrWup | and NONE of them will even install and work |
| 12:18.03 | stew | MrWup: ask specific questions about a specific one, and we'll try to help |
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| 12:18.43 | MrWup | stew, lol where do i start. i wish you could help but it seems there are just bugs in the packages in about 90% of these groupware solutions, which prevent them being properly installed and working |
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| 12:18.54 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks chaps |
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| 12:19.54 | elia | hola |
| 12:20.08 | zamuro | !es |
| 12:20.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:20.33 | zimnyx | I'm running Sid and need php 5.2.1 (newest version not available in packages). Do you know some backport for Sid? |
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| 12:21.16 | Rapp | heyho! |
| 12:21.16 | MrWup | if anyone has managed to install zimbra, scalix, kolab, opengroupware, egroupware, phpgroupware, simple groupware or any others on etch, let me know |
| 12:21.21 | MrWup | cause its been ruining my life |
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| 12:22.14 | vin` | MrWup: evolution? |
| 12:22.28 | MrWup | vin`, i havnt tried evolution. is it any good? |
| 12:22.33 | Ronin | zimnyx: no, theres no backports for sid |
| 12:22.41 | Ronin | MrWup: yes and no depending on who you ask |
| 12:22.53 | delight | I could use a little help right here .. I'm new to debian (got experience with ubuntu) ... trying to install http://packages.debian.org/experimental/games/supertux supert ux 0.3.0 ... i tried by adding seperatly sid unstable and testing into my sources.list ... but i could not find supertux 0.3 for installation |
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| 12:23.31 | MrWup | Ronin, evolution is only for gnome clients right? |
| 12:23.40 | delight | is there a deb-repo experimental i have to include? |
| 12:23.45 | MrWup | kind of crap for a company full of xp workstations |
| 12:23.48 | liable | is there something worth upgrading to from libapache-mod-gallery? |
| 12:26.03 | zimnyx | Ronin: php 5.2.0 is available in sarge backports, but not available in Sid. How can i install this version (installing it from Sarge backports fails) |
| 12:26.03 | liable | that maybe has allowance for comments? |
| 12:26.04 | Ronin | MrWup: nope, i have it installed and not gnome |
| 12:26.05 | MrWup | Ronin, outlook connecter? |
| 12:26.05 | Ronin | MrWup: havent tried it for a while but the exchange connector in sarge worked iirc |
| 12:26.05 | xand | evolution-- |
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| 12:27.03 | |Quest| | I'll be delighted if you join my channel #thelinux ! I need good ops. healthy discussions. what ever you do, just be permanent user. keep it joined. Every one is invited :) |
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| 12:27.18 | xand | tard |
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| 12:27.47 | Ronin | indeed |
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| 12:28.43 | delight | interresting ... i had to add sid + experimental and hat to install with "aptitude install -t experimental supertux" ... that was by tryout ... unfortunatly nothing like that is docomentet |
| 12:29.35 | Ronin | delight: most folks dont mix and match for a good reason |
| 12:30.01 | delight | Ronin: yes .. but it was just a game ... nothing really bad i expect to happen ;) |
| 12:30.06 | vin` | delight: from the aptitude gui you can select the desired version. |
| 12:30.08 | delight | hopefully |
| 12:30.25 | vin` | or cui |
| 12:30.36 | delight | oh .. ok .. i tryed all on command - line .. u mean synaptic right ? |
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| 12:30.41 | Ronin | delight: famous last words if i ever heard them |
| 12:31.03 | vin` | delight: no run aptitude without any options |
| 12:31.18 | dererk[work] | For those who didn't see it -> http://debaday.debian.net/2007/04/11/wn-last-minute-update-by-bastian-reportbug-ng-an-easy-to-use-alternative-to-debians-classic-reportbug |
| 12:31.32 | delight | hehe ;) hopefully not ... installed just fine .. I'll try supertux 0.3 a little later .. see if it smashes my system |
| 12:31.51 | delight | overexagurating *hopefully* |
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| 12:34.32 | Rapp | is no one here using exim4 on etch? i cannot get mine to receive mail after upgrading to etch. since the upgrade, the virtual domains are all broken |
| 12:35.04 | holycow | lol |
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| 12:35.11 | holycow | i just tried a dist upgrade and it failed similarly |
| 12:35.13 | holycow | however |
| 12:35.23 | ArtVandalae | If I want to make a user's home dir safe from others, is it safe practice to: chmod 700 /home/user? |
| 12:35.24 | Rapp | yes? |
| 12:35.24 | holycow | i don't have time to figure out whats going on right now |
| 12:35.28 | Rapp | ok :) |
| 12:35.36 | Rapp | i have to get mail up and running... *sigh* |
| 12:38.45 | malagmyr | What's the easiest way to just store everything on a drive in one big file on a mounted network drive? |
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| 12:39.54 | zimnyx | Does someone have libapache2-mod-php5 (5.1.6) in deb format? |
| 12:40.55 | stew | zimnyx: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 12:42.17 | zimnyx | stew: thanks! |
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| 12:44.09 | ArtVandalae | Hm... will this work: I have 3 HDDs. I want the HDD mounted under: /home/share, can I have another HDD mounted under /home/share/a and another under /home/share/b? |
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| 12:44.43 | beowu1f | i need a little help getting my grub boot loader going |
| 12:45.10 | beowu1f | i need a little help getting my grub boot loader going. i've pasted my conf file at http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3257 |
| 12:45.15 | beowu1f | can anyone assist |
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| 12:45.53 | beware | malagmyr: tar? |
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| 12:48.20 | stew | beowu1f: why not let the grub package setup menu.lst for you? read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:49.03 | OwlEye | dpkg, update-grub |
| 12:49.03 | dpkg | it has been said that update-grub is a magical Debian system for maintaining the grub menu automatically whenever kernel images are installed and removed (assuming they are built using make-kpkg as they should be). |
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| 12:50.56 | beowu1f | stew: i'm on a gentoo system atm. gentoo users cant help me so also trying out here. if thats ok |
| 12:51.14 | stew | beowu1f: please go to #gentoo or #grub ; you are off-topic here |
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| 12:53.35 | beowu1f | stew: i just told you i am ther |
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| 13:00.10 | nite613 | !they don't know |
| 13:00.10 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 13:02.18 | xand | beowu1f: please install debian |
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| 13:03.04 | SlayerXP | xand: in your situation I wouls have said "beowu1f: please don't install debian" instead. |
| 13:03.08 | SlayerXP | would |
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| 13:05.26 | free-zombie | I seam to be banned on the OFTC #debian, which I have never been to. At first, I thought it was the fact that I wasn't identified, but identifying didn't help - does anyone have an idea why this may be ? |
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| 13:05.56 | stew | free-zombie: looking... |
| 13:06.04 | streuner | free-zombie: what IP? |
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| 13:06.16 | azeem | free-zombie: could be the "root" in your uid |
| 13:06.25 | stew | yes |
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| 13:06.36 | free-zombie | ah... I'll have a look at that |
| 13:06.46 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.10 | hellop | anyone know of a good chanel for discussion technology related businesses? |
| 13:09.15 | hellop | Business discussion |
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| 13:10.43 | fengor | /dev/null |
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| 13:11.08 | hellop | nice |
| 13:11.15 | crm_ | what for? |
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| 13:12.08 | VoV | http://www.vipip.ru/index.php?refid=79362 |
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| 13:13.48 | delight | does anybody know about a repo offering nvidia-glx 1.0.9xxxx for debian etch. I think it was 9xxx and over i needed for compiz/beryl |
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| 13:15.27 | JarJarBinks | delight: what version is in unstable now? |
| 13:15.41 | VoV | http://www.vipip.ru/index.php?refid=79362 |
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| 13:16.04 | delight | i did not look yet ... i just checked stable ... need to check |
| 13:17.01 | abrotman | delight: see rdonald's blog |
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| 13:17.53 | delight | JarJarBinks: no newer version in unstable its 8776 as it is in stable |
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| 13:18.07 | delight | abrotman: were is that? |
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| 13:18.19 | JarJarBinks | abrotman: it in portugese? |
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| 13:18.49 | delight | hehe .. no i can't really understand portugese |
| 13:18.52 | zoghome | does etch installer install a booting system to a 3ware 8006-2LP raid controller? |
| 13:19.22 | stew | zoghome: yes |
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| 13:20.12 | abrotman | http://www.khensu.org/ |
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| 13:21.56 | abrotman | oh .. that looks legit .. let me sign up! |
| 13:21.57 | zoghome | stew: thanks! |
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| 13:23.02 | FromTO | I am planning to get a new system with two to three monitors. Asny suggestion over hardware or any site that has a howto buy |
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| 13:27.24 | allan_home | I would like to install the nvidia-glx drivers using deb packages but i would like to be able to run beryl so does anyone know about any 1.0.9x drivers avalable using a deb repository? |
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| 13:29.39 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.32 | stew | appelza: you mean like, kill all processes owned by a certain user? or with a certain ppid? or what? |
| 13:30.37 | spacenerve | how long does the debian project support their *old* stable releases for? ie. how long will sarge receive updates for still? |
| 13:30.39 | slon` | fun |
| 13:30.51 | crm_ | yea. a script stew |
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| 13:31.14 | stew | spacenerve: 1 year, or until the next release is released |
| 13:31.30 | stew | crm_: huh? |
| 13:32.00 | abrotman | delight: did you find those drivers? |
| 13:32.07 | crm_ | yea. a script appelza |
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| 13:32.14 | spacenerve | stew, ok so one year or until the successor to etch is out? ;) |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | spacenerve: doubtful |
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| 13:32.34 | stew | spacenerve: yes |
| 13:32.39 | abrotman | oyh .. |
| 13:32.41 | spacenerve | gr8 thx :) |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | i misread :) |
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| 13:32.56 | abrotman | appelza: you want to kill all processes owned by a user or just one ? |
| 13:33.24 | spacenerve | whichever is shorter .... presumably ;) |
| 13:33.26 | spacenerve | lol |
| 13:33.32 | stew | yes |
| 13:33.38 | tenco | where's my precious madwifi-driver? i remember that the source wath in debian's repository |
| 13:33.38 | spacenerve | ok thx a lot :D |
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| 13:33.43 | delight | abrotman: yes they are in experimental ... I don't know yet if i want this |
| 13:33.44 | tenco | s/wath/was/ |
| 13:33.59 | stew | tenco: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 13:33.59 | abrotman | delight: ah .. i don't blame you |
| 13:34.08 | delight | abrotman: maybe i rather stay without compiz for a while ... not that important ... i rather have a stable system |
| 13:34.33 | delight | when they come to unstable or rather testing i will install them for sure |
| 13:34.50 | abrotman | might be awhile .. but okay |
| 13:35.14 | tenco | non-free. ok. |
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| 13:35.42 | apk | Does compiz/beryl make anybody more efficient, or is it just pretty? |
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| 13:36.22 | olczyk | Hey I can't run man, anyone help me fix this? I'm running etch. |
| 13:36.41 | stew | olczyk: why can't you? |
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| 13:37.15 | hark | apk: it makes a few people more efficient, the others not so much ;) |
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| 13:37.54 | xand | apk: pointless eyecand y :p |
| 13:37.54 | olczyk | it can't find the command. Doing a find there is no file called man. But the man pages are isntallled. |
| 13:37.59 | kerframil | does anyone know how to determine the exact packages that are implied by the "profiles" in the Debian installer (Standard, File Server, Database Server etc)? |
| 13:38.18 | allan_home | Any ideas anyone? |
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| 13:38.53 | stew | olczyk: aptitude isntall man-db |
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| 13:40.47 | hark | kerframil: use tasksel for that.. man tasksel |
| 13:41.18 | jef` | how cool is mines. |
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| 13:41.37 | olczyk | stew: Still doesn't work. Give me a minute, I'm trying ti "find" the man command. |
| 13:41.38 | kerframil | hark: many thanks. is there any way to go about it before installing debian? I've got a test installation already but I'm just curious. |
| 13:41.47 | ebbs | Hi. Ive configured a new user, "kap". When this user logs in from the login-shell a script is executed over .bashrc. This script lasts a few seconds. Now I want to make this procedure unstoppable, so that the script cant be interrupted by Ctrl+c. How can I do this? |
| 13:42.33 | apk | ebbs: Could you make that script the login shell and have it exec bash? |
| 13:42.36 | Kee1 | Howdy! I might be a bit thick, but I'm unable to find the torrentfiles or ISO's for 3.1r6. I've tried the DebianCD Master Server and two dozen of mirrors, but alas. |
| 13:42.37 | hark | kerframil: just skip it, you can install the base and run tasksel manually later on.. |
| 13:42.41 | xand | ebbs: make it their shell |
| 13:42.45 | kerframil | hark: ah right, ok |
| 13:43.04 | hark | kerframil: tasksel --task-packages <task> for the list |
| 13:43.09 | Kee1 | Does anyone know where I can find them? |
| 13:43.11 | kerframil | hark: thanks :) |
| 13:43.30 | ebbs | how do you mean this? What should I change? |
| 13:43.53 | apk | ebbs: man usermod |
| 13:44.16 | apk | ebbs: usermod -s /path/to/the/script username |
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| 13:44.32 | apk | ebbs: You might also want to put that script in /etc/shells |
| 13:44.51 | ebbs | apk, k thx Ill try to make it run in this way... |
| 13:45.23 | stew | olczyk: if you have the man-db package installed, you should have /usr/bin/man |
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| 13:47.28 | ebbs | apk, k thx, works pretty |
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| 13:48.14 | sohmestra | Kee1: it's possible that there aren't any official torrents for sarge. |
| 13:48.18 | olczyk | stew: Ok this is funny. THe file exists. It is a symbolic link to another file I can run the other but when I run /usr/bin/man bash says the file does not exist. |
| 13:48.40 | nn-noppix | what is a command that will count from 0 to * and print the numbers to stdout |
| 13:48.50 | sohmestra | nn-noppix: seq |
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| 13:48.57 | Supaplex | olczyk: ls -l `readlink /usr/bin/man` |
| 13:49.09 | stew | olczyk: what does "readlink -f $(which man)" return ? |
| 13:49.38 | ofer0 | nn-noppix, perl -le'print for(0..$ARGV[0])' 500 |
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| 13:50.10 | Kee1 | sohmestra: OK, thanks! Do you know an mirror where I can find 3.1r6 images? |
| 13:50.15 | ebbs | apk, nevertheless Ive got a problem.... This script has to be executed as root... :-) How to do this? |
| 13:50.49 | ebbs | apk, change userid to 0? |
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| 13:50.58 | hark | Kee1: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 13:51.03 | ebbs | apk, is this save? |
| 13:51.12 | olczyk | stew,Supaplex: I can't say because I deleted the link and remade. That fixed things. Thanks. |
| 13:51.16 | allan_home | Does anyone know anything about the khensu nvidia drivers? Are the ok to use for 1.0.9x and beryl for example? |
| 13:52.11 | joel | Hey guys, trying to install Beagle on sid, but it's compaining about missing deps. |
| 13:52.14 | Kee1 | hark: Thanks for the link, but the all link to 3.1r5 :( |
| 13:52.41 | sohmestra | joel: it's sid. maybe it really is missing some dependancies ;o) |
| 13:53.45 | sohmestra | joel: you could try getting the source package and modifying that to require the versions of the packages you _do_ have available. |
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| 13:54.11 | joel | sohmestra: haha, never thought of that, sounds like a blag |
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| 13:54.33 | hark | Kee1: heh, the caption did say otherwise.. the links aren't valid even :\ |
| 13:54.49 | quad3datwork | why is lilo the only option when setting up encrypted partitions? i.e. /boot RAID1 non-encrypted. swap and / are encrypted |
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| 13:55.04 | sanova | giorno |
| 13:55.06 | sanova | a tutti |
| 13:55.08 | xand | !it |
| 13:55.09 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C' anche il canale #linux-it l. |
| 13:55.12 | Kee1 | hark: That's why I'm having a bit of trouble finding the right images ;) |
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| 13:55.34 | sanova | aspita mi si spegne il pc anche con debian |
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| 13:55.39 | hark | Kee1: etch is really recommened ;) |
| 13:55.42 | sanova | quindi è problema col kernel nuovo |
| 13:55.47 | Kee1 | hark: hehe ;) |
| 13:55.47 | zamuro | !it |
| 13:55.47 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C' anche il canale #linux-it l. |
| 13:55.53 | sanova | sorry |
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| 13:56.13 | hark | Kee1: what a way to enforce it ;) |
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| 13:57.35 | yxa | after creating a network bridge, is there a tool that can: monitor the traffic bandwidth, if it reaches a certain level, identify which IP is generating the most traffic? |
| 13:57.37 | Kee1 | hark: Indeed, sarge is all "legacy"-stuff now! :) |
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| 13:59.19 | geoaxis | hello , any debian soc mentor here? |
| 13:59.20 | bkw | How do debian dovecot generate its certs, there's no mkcert.sh or dovecot-openssl.cnf on my system. |
| 14:00.09 | Supaplex | how can I safely calculate a new partition size of an ext2/3 filessytem after it's resized? If it's too low, I might clip the filesystem, if it's far too high, I might just waste too much disk on it. It's lvm2 underneath. Is Block count * Block size safe, or is it larger? |
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| 14:01.32 | sohmestra | yxa: iftop, iptraf might be useful |
| 14:01.45 | sohmestra | yxa: they're interactive though. |
| 14:01.48 | \amethyst | bkw: it generates /etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem (by default) in postinst |
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| 14:02.12 | \amethyst | bkw: you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-common.postinst to see what it does |
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| 14:02.37 | bkw | \amethyst: thank you. |
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| 14:07.52 | leOn | hello all ... i have a machine which has 4GB of ram, i do have CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y on the kernel configuration, but the system only shows 3GB ... any ideas on what might be causing this? |
| 14:08.19 | leOn | (bios shows all 4GB) |
| 14:08.40 | cafuego | What happens when you recompile with CONFIG_HIGHMEM=64G ? |
| 14:09.14 | yxa | sohmestra how abt argus? |
| 14:10.00 | Supaplex | leOn: 1G exactly missing? |
| 14:10.08 | leOn | yep |
| 14:10.20 | leOn | dual intel xeon system |
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| 14:10.54 | leOn | free shows Mem: 3370164, which is exactly 3GB |
| 14:10.56 | Supaplex | I know the pci mmio and resource space can steal 800mb in 32bit mode, but ... humm.. pae should work around that. |
| 14:11.09 | Supaplex | !pae |
| 14:11.10 | cafuego | leOn: Seriosuly, rebuild with 64G and see. |
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| 14:11.21 | Supaplex | or install a bigmem kernel |
| 14:11.30 | leOn | cafuego: i was thinking about that |
| 14:11.35 | cafuego | 1G onl sees 896 or so MB, it's all a bit weird. |
| 14:11.41 | \amethyst | leOn: What kind of video card? |
| 14:12.02 | leOn | but i wanted to avoid that if possible ... i had a hell of trouble to make the FC card to play nicely with it |
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| 14:12.12 | cafuego | And there are some broken HP (I think?) systems that can't see the 3-4 GB bit of ramn, buit would be fine with 1-3+5-8 |
| 14:12.25 | leOn | it's an ibm x346 |
| 14:12.28 | cafuego | I'd expect that to be fixed by nowe though |
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| 14:12.44 | leOn | 0000:01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 14:13.02 | casa-nova | a newb question again, i have j2re1.4.2 but how to run java files on it |
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| 14:13.15 | casa-nova | ofcourse debian sarge |
| 14:13.19 | leOn | would a mem=4096 help in the loader ? |
| 14:13.52 | enouf | casa-nova: #javashit ;-) |
| 14:14.09 | casa-nova | java is invite only |
| 14:14.12 | \amethyst | leOn: what does lspci -v | grep -A8 VGA say about its memory? |
| 14:14.22 | enouf | so is the state pen |
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| 14:14.53 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.02 | \amethyst | that's not the problem then |
| 14:15.30 | enouf | leOn: what's uname -a say? |
| 14:15.48 | leOn | Linux mailstrg 2.6.18-webstrg-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Jan 16 17:05:51 WET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:16.08 | casa-nova | ah it's inflated in /home/username |
| 14:17.13 | leOn | guess i'll be recompiling with CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G |
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| 14:17.48 | hark | yes, or install a bigmem kernel image |
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| 14:18.16 | mfi_ | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 14:18.20 | mfi_ | How can I fix this? |
| 14:18.30 | casa-nova | ok got it working |
| 14:18.37 | casa-nova | it was jsut in userspace directory |
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| 14:19.41 | sohmestra | how do I prevent apt-proxy from caching Release.gpg? |
| 14:20.00 | enouf | leOn: got memhole mapping enabled in the bios? |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | why would you prevent it ? |
| 14:20.23 | mfi_ | moshii: You around? |
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| 14:20.44 | sohmestra | I occasionally get an error saying that the release key is bad, and it doesn't go away until the cache timeout is exceeded |
| 14:20.45 | DigitalOktay | Etch is Super |
| 14:20.46 | enouf | abrotman: memapping? |
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| 14:21.06 | sohmestra | I think that's the problem anyway. |
| 14:21.12 | mfi_ | I get this msg everytime I start this lappy |
| 14:21.31 | mfi_ | Sound server informational message: |
| 14:21.31 | mfi_ | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 14:21.31 | mfi_ | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) |
| 14:21.31 | mfi_ | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 14:21.31 | enouf | abrotman: b/c of corruption caused from iommu=hard on AMD64s |
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| 14:21.50 | hark | mfi_: add yourself to the audio group and see |
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| 14:22.33 | stew | !tell mfi_ about floood |
| 14:22.52 | stew | mfi_: does audio work at all? |
| 14:22.54 | mfi_ | hark: Mind if you tell me how? :/ |
| 14:23.02 | leOn | enouf: really can't say |
| 14:23.22 | enouf | leOn: what CPU(s) |
| 14:23.28 | jorgp | I have apache2 instaled and libapache2-mod-php5, but php still does not work, what should I look for next? |
| 14:23.29 | mfi_ | stew: kde startup etc yeah |
| 14:23.46 | leOn | cpu family : 15 |
| 14:23.46 | leOn | model : 4 |
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| 14:23.58 | leOn | Xeon P4 variant i think |
| 14:24.00 | hark | mfi_: check with id or groups if you're in it |
| 14:24.03 | stew | mfi_: is the "snd" modules loaded? is the "snd-pcm-oss" kernel module loaded? (lsmod | grep snd) |
| 14:24.08 | enouf | leOn: try again , and only 1 line at a time here |
| 14:24.25 | stew | oh, its permission denied, not file not found |
| 14:24.42 | leOn | enouf: sorry ... try again what? |
| 14:24.59 | mfi_ | stew: http://modify.us/38 |
| 14:25.06 | abrotman | enouf: not you |
| 14:25.21 | tenco | lol. package mime-construct: "it is designed to be used by other programs, or people who act like programs |
| 14:25.28 | enouf | leOn: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i "model name" |
| 14:25.35 | enouf | abrotman: okie |
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| 14:25.41 | stew | mfi_: adduser username audio ; logout and log back in |
| 14:25.41 | leOn | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | just kick him |
| 14:26.43 | xand | not him again |
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| 14:26.54 | enouf | leOn: make sure memory hole mapping/remapping is enabled in the BIOS, as well as APIC, IO/APIC, and ACPI, then if still an issue, you need a -bigmem kernel version (likely needed anyways) |
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| 14:27.16 | \amethyst | leOn: could you look for the memory map in your dmesg and put that in a pastebin? |
| 14:27.44 | \amethyst | leOn: It's the collection of lines that look like: BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) |
| 14:27.44 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've just installed a machine using etch installer RC2 live cd, and I realise it is loaded with lenny. So I changed /etc/apt/sources.list to point to etch but apt-get udate fails. Any idea how I could fix that ? Is it possible ? |
| 14:28.03 | enouf | leOn: cat /proc/iomem <-- pastebin the output along wioth you cat /proc/cmdline output |
| 14:28.10 | leOn | \amethyst: that'll be a pita to get ... i have a dual FC card with multipath which is constantly throwing messages to the kernel log |
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| 14:28.44 | \amethyst | leOn: head -n20 /var/log/dmesg unless it's been rotated since boot |
| 14:29.22 | leOn | here http://rafb.net/p/6pKfMl19.html |
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| 14:30.05 | enouf | fec00000-ffffffff : reserved <-- that's your memhole |
| 14:30.21 | leOn | head -n20 /var/log/dmesg is in http://rafb.net/p/fo2JWK62.html |
| 14:30.31 | cydork | lord_rob: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 14:30.36 | leOn | enouf: so should be a bios setting then ... |
| 14:31.52 | enouf | leOn: it's something to set to enable, i haven't looked at this issue in a long time, so i forgot exactly what that area/range can tell me from jsut the hex output |
| 14:31.57 | stew | lord_rob: what error do you get from "apt-get update"? |
| 14:32.20 | lord_rob | stew: gpg errors |
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| 14:32.35 | stew | lord_rob: what error do you get? |
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| 14:33.09 | lord_rob | stew: it's related to gpge, wait a second |
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| 14:34.22 | mfi_ | stew: Sadly I did dist-upgrade earlier today |
| 14:34.27 | mfi_ | now I cannot startx |
| 14:34.44 | stew | mfi_: why can't you? |
| 14:34.48 | mfi_ | Waiting for xserver to shutdown freefontpath |
| 14:35.06 | mfi_ | refcount is 2 should be 1; fixing |
| 14:35.10 | mfi_ | nothing else |
| 14:35.18 | stew | mfi_: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin : /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:35.19 | itchi | Heh, my stuff is up to date, thanks guys! |
| 14:35.19 | mfi_ | when I startx |
| 14:35.29 | mfi_ | sec |
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| 14:35.33 | lord_rob | stew: problem's fixed now :) |
| 14:35.36 | enouf | http://groups.google.com/group/hun.lists.mlf.linux/msg/810f93b2c05efaeb?dmode=source&hl=en leOn just some info |
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| 14:36.34 | \amethyst | leOn: can you do /proc/mtrr too? |
| 14:36.48 | joel | got an NFS server that has a high load, but no CPU or mem utilization |
| 14:36.59 | joel | seems like a lot of IOWait |
| 14:36.59 | mfi_ | stew: I'm in a console mode and I wish I know how to do so, I can send you the file |
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| 14:37.16 | stew | mfi_: upload it to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 14:39.56 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
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| 14:40.35 | H2OyJaBoN | does someone remenber what packages is necesary to view well mc program in konsole? |
| 14:40.37 | joel | This is very strange? load average: 16.93, 16.03, 14.87 - and about 8 nfsd processes, but no CPU or Mem load? |
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| 14:40.43 | joel | there's a lot of IOwait though |
| 14:40.46 | joel | any ideas? |
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| 14:41.03 | wad | Was freenode down for a while last night? (I'm wondering if it was just me) |
| 14:41.09 | fengor | your io is too slow? |
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| 14:41.35 | streuner_ | wad: i hadn't any problem |
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| 14:41.46 | wad | Huh. Strange. |
| 14:42.03 | streuner_ | maybe DNS is broken? |
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| 14:42.12 | \amethyst | joel: ps -C nfsd -o pid,state,wchan |
| 14:42.17 | streuner_ | just put them into /etc/hosts |
| 14:42.18 | leOn | well .. i see no reference to memhole mapping, APIC or ACPI on the bios |
| 14:42.27 | \amethyst | joel: what shows up in the WCHAN column? |
| 14:42.33 | MusashiX90 | Whenever I logout of my session in GNOME, it brings me back to the login screen, but my cursor disappears. Could this be a problem in Xorg? |
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| 14:42.37 | \amethyst | leOn: You rebooted? |
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| 14:43.03 | joel | \amethyst: mainly lock_page |
| 14:43.03 | leOn | http://rafb.net/p/rjpWT537.html |
| 14:43.04 | earthian | hello, any idea how to diagnose possible problems with SATA ports on mainboard without attaching a hard disk? |
| 14:43.24 | \amethyst | joel: So it sounds like you have some locking contention |
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| 14:43.34 | enouf | \amethyst: am i mistaken about the memhole area? .. it appears from the dmesg that it;s allocated at f8000000-f8ffffff : PCI Bus #01, instead of what i posted earlier |
| 14:43.37 | leOn | \amethyst: used an equal machine that's not installed yet |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | earthian: why do you care if there's no drive attached ? |
| 14:43.51 | \amethyst | enouf: That looks right, but that's not a whole gig |
| 14:43.55 | leOn | equal as in same model, bios version and all |
| 14:44.10 | \amethyst | enouf: I'm thinking maybe the BIOS is leaving some memory completely unmapped |
| 14:44.12 | earthian | because i have drive and it does strange things when i connect it. i fear of data loss |
| 14:44.12 | earthian | :S |
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| 14:44.26 | joel | \amethyst: cheers for the heads up, but is there any way to drill down and find out where the locking problem lies |
| 14:44.40 | leOn | in the boot process, and in the setup, the bios shows all 4G (4096) |
| 14:44.41 | sohmestra | earthian: there's a sata_sil kernel bug that doesn't do hotswap right... |
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| 14:44.52 | \amethyst | joel: You could see what files the nfsds are using, maybe (and in particular which ones they're locking) |
| 14:45.02 | sohmestra | earthian: what controller are you using? |
| 14:45.09 | earthian | nvidia i think |
| 14:45.17 | enouf | \amethyst: i see .. you're aware of the AMD64, iommu, gart issue, sata_nv drivers? http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=116890708931667&w=2 .. shouldn't affect Xeons afaict |
| 14:45.19 | earthian | its a tyan s2895 mainboard |
| 14:45.20 | sohmestra | earthian: lspci |
| 14:45.58 | earthian | sohmestra, 00:08.0 RAID bus controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3) |
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| 14:46.35 | joel | \amethyst: any quick command for this? cheers for the hel b.t.w. |
| 14:46.35 | enouf | earthian: try booting with kernel param iommu=soft .. yhou'll only have 2GB of ram avail |
| 14:46.43 | eddy-boy | /nic edy-boy |
| 14:46.43 | leOn | ah .. btw .. i tried specifying mem=4096 on the grub kernel line, it failed to boot saying it hadn't enough mem |
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| 14:47.07 | earthian | enouf, i already have only 2 gigs of ram available |
| 14:47.19 | enouf | earthian: ok .. likely not your issue then |
| 14:47.28 | earthian | but i have 4 gigs |
| 14:47.29 | earthian | :p |
| 14:47.40 | enouf | hehe .. oh dear |
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| 14:47.44 | leOn | another one? |
| 14:47.45 | leOn | =D |
| 14:47.45 | earthian | this is not as important as issue with my disks.. |
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| 14:48.04 | \amethyst | joel: you could look in /proc/<nfsd's pid>/fd and/or use lsof or fuser |
| 14:48.16 | mfi_ | stew still here? |
| 14:48.17 | earthian | leOn, i think mem=4096 means that yo limited your memory to 4 kilobytes |
| 14:48.22 | leOn | earthian: check that you're not using sparing or mirroring on your bios memory settings |
| 14:48.40 | enouf | earthian: please follow that thread i posted .. not sure if the iossue is entirely resolved yet |
| 14:48.41 | earthian | leOn, i am using stripping |
| 14:48.42 | mfi_ | http://modify.us/39 |
| 14:48.49 | leOn | earthian: lol ... geesh |
| 14:48.53 | leOn | ach |
| 14:48.55 | sohmestra | earthian: looks like there is some kernel bug related to that controller. I'd research that. |
| 14:48.57 | mfi_ | http://www.modify.us/39 |
| 14:48.59 | earthian | i need bios raid because of dual booting to windows. |
| 14:48.59 | leOn | \amethyst: lol ... geesh |
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| 14:49.05 | \amethyst | leOn: On the other machine, what does dmesg | grep usable say? |
| 14:49.08 | earthian | sohmestra, thanks i will see. |
| 14:49.21 | \amethyst | leOn: Since it presumably doesn't have all the log congestion of this machine |
| 14:49.27 | earthian | sohmestra, would you recommend me just go ahead and compile the latest kernel atm? |
| 14:49.35 | leOn | earthian: no no ... memory settings .. you said you had 4G and were only able to see 2G right ? |
| 14:49.46 | leOn | \amethyst: the other machine isn't installed yet |
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| 14:50.02 | enouf | earthian: using AMD64s though yes? |
| 14:50.03 | \amethyst | leOn: Do you have a livecd handy? |
| 14:50.04 | earthian | leOn, right. thats not important. i can see all 4 gigs with amd64 kernel tho.. but then nvidia drivers do not work :/ |
| 14:50.10 | earthian | no k7 atm |
| 14:50.11 | \amethyst | leOn: or an install CD even |
| 14:50.19 | enouf | earthian: actual CPU? |
| 14:50.20 | \amethyst | leOn: Just enough to get booted and look at dmesg |
| 14:50.22 | earthian | and with amd64 i can not switch to console |
| 14:50.37 | earthian | screen goes blank and have to hard reset then |
| 14:50.42 | earthian | enouf, two opterons |
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| 14:51.00 | enouf | earthian: yep .. leOn shouldn't be related to your issue |
| 14:51.10 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 14:51.12 | earthian | its tyan thunder k8ew mainboard (HP make for workstation xw9300) |
| 14:51.28 | \amethyst | leOn: alternatively, you could try zgrep usable /var/log/dmesg* to see if it's in one of the old rotated dmesg log files |
| 14:51.30 | enouf | earthian: see and follow for more http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=116890708931667&w=2 |
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| 14:51.37 | sohmestra | earthian: no, research it first. I'm not sure the bug is fixed yet. |
| 14:51.50 | fib235 | Hey, can anyone tell me if it's possible to switch out "ntfs" with "ntfs-3g" for a usbdrive in gnome-volume-manager? |
| 14:51.51 | leOn | \amethyst: what should i be looking for exactly ? |
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| 14:51.53 | earthian | ok |
| 14:51.56 | mfi_ | Could someone take a look at http://www.modify.us/39 and help me |
| 14:52.09 | \amethyst | leOn: Something like BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003fff0000 (usable) |
| 14:52.16 | stew | mfi_: does ~/.xsession-errors show any hints? |
| 14:52.20 | \amethyst | leOn: there should be a block of those printed just after the kernel boots |
| 14:53.27 | mfi_ | stew: Hmmm |
| 14:53.43 | enouf | http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ see 6 and 8 leOn |
| 14:53.44 | potolo | Hi. Trying to find a package I've used before; can't remember its name. Help? :) It's GUI-based and basically removes old/orphaned/redundant packages/libraries. It's not cruft/deborphan (because it's GUI-based) and it isn't gtkorphan (it's a fullscreen rather than small window package). Am pretty sure it is/was in the main Debian archives in etch at least. |
| 14:54.00 | enouf | leOn: for pete's sake .. install a -bigmem jerenel already :-P |
| 14:54.08 | enouf | er kernel ;-) |
| 14:54.23 | leOn | eheh |
| 14:54.37 | mfi_ | stew: could you tell me what am I missing here? |
| 14:54.37 | leOn | yeah .. i'll do that |
| 14:54.53 | joel | \amethyst: I can't really see what file descriptors are open, there's nothing in there.. when I lsof, I just get /proc/pid/exe - no files |
| 14:55.02 | \amethyst | joel: hm |
| 14:55.07 | stew | mfi_: uhh, i dunno? are there errors in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 14:55.11 | \amethyst | joel: not really sure then :( |
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| 14:55.28 | enouf | leOn: but also indulge \amethyst as s/he knows what they're doing, and perhaps you can help them debug an issue |
| 14:55.34 | abrotman | fuser/lsof |
| 14:55.44 | mfi_ | stew: I don't see any |
| 14:55.54 | potolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.54 | joel | \amethyst: no worries :) |
| 14:55.57 | hark | mfi_: is that the whole log? .. does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log say anything? |
| 14:56.11 | mfi_ | hark: yeah |
| 14:56.16 | mfi_ | sec let me check |
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| 14:56.33 | hark | hmm, ok.. seemed cut off :) |
| 14:57.28 | mfi_ | (WW) Warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 14:57.47 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:57.54 | mfi_ | aiglx: screen 0 is not dri capable |
| 14:58.07 | enouf | you're looking for lines that start with (EE) |
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| 14:58.30 | hark | that's non fatal |
| 14:58.56 | mfi_ | So what should I do to fix it? |
| 14:59.13 | stew | mfi_: do you have a .xsession or a .xinitrc? |
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| 15:00.38 | hark | maybe vesa dosen't support 1152x864 and it does give a vrefresh out of range for the other resolutions.. but it should show up as EE at least |
| 15:00.39 | mfi_ | stew: .xsession |
| 15:00.54 | mfi_ | okie I'll dpkg-reconfigure again and see |
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| 15:01.39 | hark | mfi_: but see ~/.xsession-errors as stew asked ;) |
| 15:02.06 | mfi_ | hark: that file does not even exist |
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| 15:03.14 | hark | mfi_: ok, then try with the radeon driver as well |
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| 15:03.30 | mfi_ | k |
| 15:03.31 | mfi_ | brb |
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| 15:07.13 | mfi_ | Nothing |
| 15:07.36 | stew | mfi_: what is in your .xsession? |
| 15:07.42 | hark | what'sin your ~/.xsession? |
| 15:08.18 | mfi_ | I removed the exec fvwm-crystal |
| 15:08.25 | mfi_ | so nothing in there |
| 15:08.27 | mfi_ | blank |
| 15:08.53 | stew | mfi_: for now, "echo xterm >> ~/.xsession" |
| 15:09.02 | stew | or somethine |
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| 15:09.10 | stew | *thing |
| 15:09.32 | hark | or get rid of it :) |
| 15:09.55 | stew | yeah |
| 15:10.09 | mfi_ | stew: That worked |
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| 15:10.36 | mfi_ | Now say how can I start kde |
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| 15:10.41 | mfi_ | aw |
| 15:10.44 | stew | mfi_: type "startkde"? |
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| 15:11.09 | mfi_ | cannot connect to xserver |
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| 15:11.15 | mfi_ | X server |
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| 15:11.37 | stone1r | install it |
| 15:11.54 | mfi_ | I did install kde |
| 15:11.59 | stew | mfi_: replace xterm with startkde in .xsession |
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| 15:12.58 | breadstick | Hello all |
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| 15:13.20 | mfi_ | brb a sec |
| 15:14.28 | breadstick | I have a odd network connectivity issue, this box (rosebud) can connect to internet sites fine <except> for with anyweb browser, the other box (kiwi) has no such issues. What could make this happen? |
| 15:14.29 | kerframil | Hi. Does anyone use putty as a ssh client for a debian box and, if so, managed to get it rendering line drawing chars properly? (using en_GB.UTF-8 locale) |
| 15:15.00 | Supaplex | into, or from debian? |
| 15:15.04 | keith80403 | Installed a basic Etch system, then ran aptitude / tasks / desktop environment to get a GUI - what's the next step to configure the desktop, startx fails to, er, "start X." )-: |
| 15:15.14 | Hotwire | kerframil: at uni it just works |
| 15:15.25 | Hotwire | Supaplex: why would you be using putty on linux? |
| 15:15.39 | Ronin | Hotwire: because you can |
| 15:15.46 | JoshH | some people are weird |
| 15:15.47 | Hotwire | :P |
| 15:16.20 | kerframil | Hotwire: I just can't figure it out. to clarify, this is putty on Windows as a client. |
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| 15:16.40 | stone1r | keith80403 xserver-xorg ? |
| 15:17.02 | Hotwire | kerframil: yes |
| 15:17.04 | hark | kerframil: Translation and select utf8, iirc |
| 15:17.13 | Supaplex | Hotwire: me? I'm not that insane. :) |
| 15:17.19 | kerframil | hark: good call but it doesn't work |
| 15:17.20 | mfi_ | stew: What should I install to avoid typing startx everytime I start this lappy? kdm? |
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| 15:17.33 | stew | mfi_: yes |
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| 15:17.52 | mfi_ | Done and done |
| 15:17.59 | mfi_ | let me logout and see :-) |
| 15:18.54 | kerframil | hark: oddly, the rendering is almost sane when sticking with the ISO-8859-1 default (in putty) and choosing "poor man's line drawing". seems pretty counterintuitive to me! |
| 15:19.10 | stew | mfi_: after you stop x ; "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" as root |
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| 15:20.24 | hark | kerframil: with the defaults and selecting utf8 as the encoding, it should work.. |
| 15:20.35 | kerframil | hark: I know it should :( |
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| 15:20.39 | mfi_ | Much thanks stew, hark |
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| 15:22.02 | hark | back? |
| 15:22.04 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:22.49 | loves2spoog | Hey, I just want to change one option within the kernel, and keep everything else the same. Is there an easyer way than recompiling the whole thing? (keeping the same version of the kernel) |
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| 15:23.12 | pickcoder | loves2spoog: which option |
| 15:23.22 | loves2spoog | i want to enable ntfs write support |
| 15:23.24 | mfi_ | This bingyman is keep msging me asking for a shell to install psybnc yada yada |
| 15:23.37 | mfi_ | I kep ignoring him but it seems it doesn't work |
| 15:23.45 | mfi_ | kept even |
| 15:24.04 | mfi_ | Apparently he doesn't pay attention to the channel too |
| 15:24.21 | breadstick | maybe hes a bot |
| 15:24.30 | mfi_ | probably |
| 15:24.41 | breadstick | isnt that :q! ? |
| 15:24.41 | leOn | loves2spoog: if you compiled the ntfs support as module, you could recompile just the module i think |
| 15:24.48 | chops | Is rsync careful enough to transfer an entire system image ("/" filesystem) from one machine to another? |
| 15:25.01 | leOn | if you compiled ntfs into the kernel, you'll need to recompile it again |
| 15:25.06 | chops | Or will I wind up losing file permissions / device nodes / timestamps / random things? |
| 15:25.23 | hark | loves2spoog: ntfs write support is probablt not as you think.. |
| 15:25.28 | loves2spoog | le0n: wouldn't the ntfs write option have to be enabled on the kernel though? i'm not sure if it was, this is the stock image for kernel etch R2 |
| 15:25.39 | hark | *good^ |
| 15:26.02 | loves2spoog | hark: I need it. lol |
| 15:26.07 | tenco | i noticed that all debian packages have tags, how can i make use of that feature? |
| 15:26.16 | hark | loves2spoog: uname -r says? |
| 15:27.11 | loves2spoog | hark: it's the stock, 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 15:27.12 | hark | loves2spoog: it is enabled by default.. CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y |
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| 15:27.30 | hark | loves2spoog: but you should be looking at ntfs-3g instead |
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| 15:28.03 | loves2spoog | ntfs-3g isn't setup as autoload for gnome |
| 15:28.16 | loves2spoog | and from what i see/google it's mostly impossible |
| 15:28.19 | loves2spoog | can't find anything on it |
| 15:28.22 | hark | set it up in your fstab |
| 15:28.37 | hark | !ntfs-3g |
| 15:28.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 15:29.24 | hark | fyi, the kernel rw support is very limited |
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| 15:29.36 | loves2spoog | lol, i've read the faq, they pretty much tell me i'm sol with the autoload (as in, you stick the usb drive in, and it automatically mounts it in gnome and shows up on your desktop... it's alot nicer that way) |
| 15:29.53 | loves2spoog | it says it's dependent on the distro |
| 15:29.55 | pickcoder | loves2spoog: so change the fs on the usb drive |
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| 15:30.26 | loves2spoog | FAT & FAT32 are junk. I keep getting incomplete files trying to copy from linux to windows (via flash drive) |
| 15:30.44 | petemc | fat32 works fine for most people |
| 15:30.44 | pickcoder | loves2spoog: are you unmounting the drive from Linux? |
| 15:30.56 | pickcoder | loves2spoog: I have no problems with fat32 between O/Ses |
| 15:31.10 | loves2spoog | yeah |
| 15:31.11 | hark | you can use ext2/3 too ;) |
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| 15:31.38 | loves2spoog | ... i wish... wait, are you implying there's a way to read ext's in windows? |
| 15:31.48 | pickcoder | yes there is |
| 15:31.55 | Auschwitz | Really? |
| 15:31.56 | hark | IIRC, fs-driver.org |
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| 15:32.13 | pickcoder | it's not a fool-proof driver, but from I've heard it works OK |
| 15:32.20 | hark | and other options like explore2fs etc.. |
| 15:32.32 | Auschwitz | dongs |
| 15:32.33 | pickcoder | I'd rather use fat32 and not have to worry about windows corrupting my ext2 partitions |
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| 15:32.52 | breadstick | run virtualpc with debian and samba (dirty!) |
| 15:33.13 | hark | loves2spoog: ah i see now, you want the automount to use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs :) |
| 15:33.17 | pickcoder | breadstick: just mount a winshare using smbmount |
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| 15:33.36 | keith80403 | stone1r, xserver-org, what should I do, run "debconf xserver-org" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org" or something else? After installing the "Desktop environment" with Aptitude, I wasn't asked to configure anything... |
| 15:33.37 | breadstick | pickcoder: oh take the fun out of it! |
| 15:33.48 | loves2spoog | hark: yes |
| 15:34.00 | loves2spoog | hark: if there is a way it would be awsome |
| 15:34.01 | hark | keith80403: what error? |
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| 15:34.23 | Auschwitz | keith80403: did you try reconfiguring? |
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| 15:34.49 | twobitsprite | so, I'm thinking about moving from lenny to sid... anything I should know? |
| 15:35.04 | xand | if you don't know, then don't :) |
| 15:35.09 | rahul | twobitsprite: that you won't get any help from us after you do that |
| 15:35.09 | Auschwitz | Sid has a lot of niggers |
| 15:35.12 | pickcoder | twobitsprite: are you handy with gdb and strace? <g> |
| 15:35.12 | rahul | sid is not supported. |
| 15:35.27 | twobitsprite | Auschwitz: eh? |
| 15:35.51 | Auschwitz | o, I thought you meant Sydney Australia... |
| 15:35.51 | Auschwitz | oopd |
| 15:35.51 | Auschwitz | *oops |
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| 15:36.06 | breadstick | is there a way to log firefox/konq when they atempt to access a website? they work via IP fine but not via domain name (yet i can ping said domain from the same user with no issues) |
| 15:36.10 | xand | !ops Auschwitz trolling |
| 15:36.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: Auschwitz trolling |
| 15:36.25 | Auschwitz | xand: How dare you ma'am, I won't take such nonsense from a kike like you |
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| 15:36.31 | Auschwitz | I want to kill one million jews |
| 15:36.35 | Auschwitz | I want to kill one million jews |
| 15:36.38 | Auschwitz | I want to kill one million jews |
| 15:36.40 | twobitsprite | I've run sid before... years ago... and don't remember having a lot of problems |
| 15:36.40 | Auschwitz | I want to kill one million jews |
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| 15:36.49 | twobitsprite | wow... how productive |
| 15:36.54 | breadstick | Very |
| 15:37.03 | mentor | I wonder if he'll ever fufill his dream... |
| 15:37.04 | sohmestra | mentor: thanks. |
| 15:37.04 | streuner | thanks mentor |
| 15:37.08 | twobitsprite | I hope that person feels better |
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| 15:37.51 | twobitsprite | hmm... would it be a bad thing if I just changed my sources to sid to get the newer kernel, then changed back to lenny? :P |
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| 15:38.11 | kerframil | mentor: fyi, xlate.ufl.edu has problematic of late (repeated trolling in many channels) |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | just get the package right from sid .. or wait for it to go to lenny |
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| 15:38.26 | hark | twobitsprite: they have the same kernel... |
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| 15:38.33 | twobitsprite | sid has 2.6.20 |
| 15:38.44 | mentor | noted |
| 15:38.52 | hark | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:38.58 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 15:39.13 | kerframil | hark: interestingly, all is well if I run my test case (aptitude) in a screen session, but not the native console. I'm going to try some more apps and see what happens. |
| 15:39.13 | hark | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:39.15 | xand | yeah, didn't think it had 2.6.20 |
| 15:39.19 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 15:39.44 | tenco | seems like i have some circular dependencies with tetex- |
| 15:39.45 | twobitsprite | when do you think the .20 will enter lenny? |
| 15:39.53 | tenco | ...tetex-* and lmodern |
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| 15:40.01 | pickcoder | twobitsprite: it's not even in sid yet |
| 15:40.05 | pickcoder | who knows |
| 15:40.12 | twobitsprite | pickcoder: it is... at least, for amd64 |
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| 15:41.23 | leOn | hmmm ... anyone sees any downside of installing an etch binary kernel on a sarge system? |
| 15:41.33 | leOn | i have all the dependencies met |
| 15:41.41 | Detox_on_Server | ok folks ,,, trying to isntall java plugin for firefox ,, doing the ln -s comamd it created ok but java still not work |
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| 15:41.44 | tarzeau | leOn: good luck |
| 15:41.47 | tarzeau | !mix |
| 15:41.47 | dpkg | [mix] Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 15:42.02 | stew | leOn: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:42.05 | leOn | tarzeau: did you miss the <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags? ;) |
| 15:42.22 | leOn | stew: i already have a 2.6.18 kernel on that machine |
| 15:42.24 | tarzeau | leOn: yes, and i really didn't mean !mix but that other thing i can't remember |
| 15:42.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:42.28 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 15:42.55 | stew | leOn: you don't want to iinstall them directly from etch. it would require an initrd creator from etch< which is going to require grub from etch, which is pretty much going to get up yougraded to etch |
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| 15:43.11 | stew | leOn: then why do you want the one from etch? |
| 15:43.21 | leOn | bigmem |
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| 15:43.26 | leOn | didn't want to recompile my existing one |
| 15:43.50 | stew | leOn: how much memory do you need to support? |
| 15:44.00 | stew | leOn: and what cpu do you have? |
| 15:44.21 | leOn | right now 4GB, which should work with the current kernel since it has highmem4 enabled |
| 15:44.49 | leOn | but it's only seeing 3GB ... but never the less, i'll be upgrading the mem soon to 8 or 16GB |
| 15:45.23 | leOn | stew: it's a dual xeon 3.2 system |
| 15:45.24 | pickcoder | twobitsprite: it appears to be in the pool, but I can't find info for it |
| 15:45.25 | hark | kerframil: hmm, yeah weird |
| 15:45.26 | stew | leOn: if you already have an initrd creator and grub from bpo then you should be able to install a kernel from etch, but you won't be able to compile 3rd party modules for it |
| 15:45.38 | twobitsprite | pickcoder: what does? .20 in lenny? |
| 15:45.42 | pickcoder | info linux-image-2.6.20-1 |
| 15:45.50 | leOn | stew: i didn't use bpo |
| 15:45.51 | pickcoder | info linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 15:45.51 | Detox_on_Server | assist with java??? |
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| 15:46.02 | pickcoder | info linux-image-2.6.20 |
| 15:46.03 | leOn | i rebuilded the deps myself the other time |
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| 15:46.33 | pickcoder | info lenny linux-image-2.6 |
| 15:46.41 | stew | leOn: what are you going to use to build the initrd? what version of what bootloader are you planning to use? |
| 15:47.32 | hark | pickcoder: ah yeah, it's in.. the virtual package is generally not updated immediately |
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| 15:48.26 | leOn | stew: either yaird or initramfs ... versions are grub 0.95+cvs20040624-17sarge1, initramfs-tools 0.85e and yaird 0.0.12-18 |
| 15:48.29 | stew | pickcoder: i think you mean "/msg dpkg linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 lenny" or something |
| 15:48.38 | pickcoder | yeah I'm msg'in the bot |
| 15:48.42 | stew | leOn: that should work |
| 15:48.43 | pickcoder | it just updated the db files when I queried it |
| 15:49.32 | hark | happy times for sid again ;) |
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| 15:51.41 | tenco | somebody knows how i can resolve this? (unstable): http://pastebin.ca/434730 |
| 15:52.27 | trukosh | Hi, with webmin(postfix-module) i can read mails, that are currently queued. I want to do this in a shell... |
| 15:52.35 | pickcoder | packages.debian.org doesn't show the package |
| 15:52.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried symbolica yet? |
| 15:52.49 | pickcoder | ~packages |
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| 15:53.21 | Supaplex | !webmin |
| 15:53.21 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 15:53.46 | Supaplex | trukosh: like postcat? |
| 15:53.52 | tenco | updmap-sys fails, because there's no dvips35.map. sure, this file is part of tetex-base which wasn't installed this early |
| 15:54.15 | Supaplex | trukosh: I didn't understand your question the first time. sorry for the factoid flood :) |
| 15:54.23 | chops | tenco: Install tetex-base by hand and try again? |
| 15:54.35 | chops | tenco: tetex is being replaced by texlive in the near future in sid anyway |
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| 15:54.46 | chops | tenco: Not that that helps you at all with this problem :-/ |
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| 15:55.43 | pickcoder | apparently, the packages listed in the pool aren't on the list |
| 15:56.14 | daniele_982 | hello all i've try freebsd and i've seen that when i open something for example in vim and save and quit in the terminal show the content of the file is it possible to do it in debian? |
| 15:56.47 | trukosh | No problem Supaplex, i think postcat will do the trick. Thanks! |
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| 15:58.15 | daniele_982 | my question is comprensible or not? |
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| 15:58.44 | myself_ | Hi all sorry I have a big problem I finished to install debian right now and seems to be very weard but is not working in network anymore |
| 15:59.05 | myself_ | like if I ping google.it it answer me |
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| 15:59.20 | daniele_982 | myself_: dns? |
| 15:59.23 | myself_ | but doesn't open any web page |
| 16:00.00 | sword | daniele_982: not really, is it vim you're having trouble with? |
| 16:00.02 | myself_ | I don't think so I'm under router and I put as dns default ip of the router |
| 16:00.14 | bolt | How can I change my crontab editor? I want vim |
| 16:00.16 | Ronin | myself_: try using your isps dns servers instead |
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| 16:00.28 | BlueParr1t | myself_: does your router use dhcp ? |
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| 16:00.31 | myself_ | yes |
| 16:00.40 | chops | bolt: Tried setting $EDITOR? |
| 16:00.49 | tarzeau | any bloboats fans in here? |
| 16:00.49 | bolt | chops: nope |
| 16:01.04 | chops | bolt: Try setting $EDITOR :-) |
| 16:01.14 | myself_ | BlueParrot I have dhcp |
| 16:01.17 | apk | bolt: update-alternatives ---set editor /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 16:01.39 | BlueParrot | myself_: it sounds as if some firewall issue to me , but I'm no expert |
| 16:01.58 | myself_ | BlueParrot I just installed right now |
| 16:02.06 | bolt | apk: ah. thanks |
| 16:02.10 | BlueParrot | and you can ping google ? |
| 16:02.14 | daniele_982 | sword: no no. Open a document with vim (write hello word) :wq now with debian my terminal is cleaned up while in freebsd in the terminal i've the line command and on the top hello word. Is it possible to do it in debian? |
| 16:02.15 | myself_ | I don't understand why doesn't work propely |
| 16:02.18 | tenco | chops: i hope that it will be replaced by texlive, tetex is discontinued. but texlive in unstable is older than tetex |
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| 16:02.45 | myself_ | BlueParrot yes I can ping all links google included |
| 16:02.55 | BlueParrot | myself_: try to download a page using wget , might give you a clue what goes wrong |
| 16:03.09 | chops | tenco: They're preparing the new one now. There was a post to debian-devel-announce summarizing the situation today. |
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| 16:03.32 | myself_ | BlueParrot but if I try to install something by apt-get it goes in stall 0% |
| 16:03.52 | daniele_982 | sword: now you've understood? |
| 16:04.25 | BlueParrot | myself_: try 'wget http://www.google.co.uk' |
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| 16:04.25 | sword | daniele_982: hmm, I see your problem now, but I don't know that one myself |
| 16:04.25 | BlueParrot | or well, .com or whatever you use ... |
| 16:04.28 | chops | myself_: You could try tcpdump while running the apt-get, and then paste into a pastebin |
| 16:04.28 | chops | paste the output of tcpdump that is |
| 16:04.34 | BlueParrot | myself_: might want to throw in --verbose there as well |
| 16:04.50 | afiaowo | will the following iso provide me with a bootable system with xfce or do I still need others? Thanks. debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 16:05.15 | daniele_982 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.39 | myself_ | sorry I have to go I'll be back as soon as possible sorry once again . |
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| 16:10.49 | MrWup | with dpkg -i how do u tell the installer to overwrite all previous configuration? |
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| 16:14.18 | keith80403 | hark, X won't start, I installed the "Desktop environment" with Aptitude on Etch (stable) but startx doesn't start - I need the correct command to configure/reconfigure X after installing. |
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| 16:14.41 | gospon-znj | dpkg install x |
| 16:14.42 | dpkg | i guess install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
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| 16:15.12 | gospon-znj | keith80403: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 16:15.33 | kerframil | bah, dropped for the umpteenth time |
| 16:15.44 | kerframil | MrWup: (not sure if you saw this msg): I'm a debian newbie but dpkg --force-help suggests that the confnew option might be what you're looking for |
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| 16:15.56 | gospon-znj | lol, umpteenth :) |
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| 16:16.17 | MrWup | oh thanks |
| 16:16.28 | keith80403 | gospon-znj, I'll try that - doesn't Aptitude / Tasks / Desktop Environment installs but doesn't start the configuration, then, I suppose....? |
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| 16:17.06 | gospon-znj | keith80403: I guess it doesn't. At least it didn't when I chose the same on Sarge :/ |
| 16:17.17 | gospon-znj | but since I know to install it myself, no need for this :D |
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| 16:17.28 | keith80403 | gospon-znj, Right, I think I remember that behavior on Sarge also...thanks... |
| 16:17.35 | hark | it does |
| 16:17.41 | gospon-znj | After that consider: apt-get install gnome or apt-get install kde or whatever you want |
| 16:17.42 | hark | keith80403: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:17.43 | gospon-znj | np :D |
| 16:17.46 | Detox_on_Server | can I get some help on setting classs path for java? |
| 16:17.54 | keith80403 | gospon-znj, Just trying to do things the Debian Way..... |
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| 16:18.03 | keith80403 | hark, Ok I'll message dpkg...thanks.... |
| 16:18.09 | Detox_on_Server | firefox does not see the java install after creating symlink |
| 16:18.23 | hark | keith80403: also what does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? |
| 16:18.34 | tenco | maybe i have more luck installing texlive :-\ |
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| 16:18.50 | hark | Detox_on_Server: if on etch, why not just install it from the repositories? |
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| 16:19.06 | keith80403 | hark, I'll "grep EE" in a minute or so and let you know...... |
| 16:19.08 | gospon-znj | hark: I thought there was no X on his machine yet |
| 16:19.11 | Detox_on_Server | cant find it... apt-cache search sun-java |
| 16:19.24 | hark | it's in non-free |
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| 16:19.35 | Detox_on_Server | found free-java-sdk |
| 16:19.39 | Detox_on_Server | is same? |
| 16:19.40 | HostilePenguin | apt-cache search gives several bittorrent packages ive looked them up and im looking at azureus any opinions? |
| 16:19.44 | tarzeau | hark: still? didn't they choose gpl 3 or something? |
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| 16:20.04 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: azureus is full featured but resource hungry, your choice |
| 16:20.12 | \amethyst | Detox_on_Server: no, you want to add non-free to your repository and install sun-java5-plugin |
| 16:20.18 | itchi | Hi, since i have upgraded my apt-proxy server, all the clients take long time when fetching the new packages list. It slowly progress with the message 'Waiting for headers' ... |
| 16:20.19 | \amethyst | Detox_on_Server: which will pull in the JRE dependencies |
| 16:20.29 | HostilePenguin | see thats what i was looking for thank you |
| 16:20.34 | bogi | HostilePenguin: it is a very good one |
| 16:20.39 | Detox_on_Server | hmmmm ok ,, so in sources.list ....? |
| 16:20.40 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: rtorrent would be the slim alternative |
| 16:20.46 | hark | !info sun-java5-jre |
| 16:20.48 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7287 kB, Installed size: 16168 kB |
| 16:20.57 | HostilePenguin | aria2 anygood? |
| 16:21.01 | hark | Detox_on_Server: ^^ |
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| 16:21.04 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: rest is probably in between in memory usage with less features |
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| 16:21.25 | Detox_on_Server | can someone paste the line for nonfree? |
| 16:21.45 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: Just add 'non-free' on the end of each line |
| 16:21.51 | \amethyst | Detox_on_Server: on your current repository line, add non-free contrib after main |
| 16:21.52 | Detox_on_Server | ok |
| 16:22.01 | hark | tarzeau: it's not fully gpl yet afaik |
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| 16:22.17 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: Somethings like deb http://earth:9999/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 16:22.28 | tarzeau | hark: i wonder how long it'll take... |
| 16:22.31 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: Pay attention to the release i use :-p |
| 16:22.48 | Detox_on_Server | ok so ater each of these ,,, put nonfree? |
| 16:22.50 | Detox_on_Server | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 16:22.50 | Detox_on_Server | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 16:22.50 | Detox_on_Server | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 16:22.50 | Detox_on_Server | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 16:23.03 | Detox_on_Server | oops sorry |
| 16:23.29 | keith80403 | hark, This was in xorg.log (EE) ATI(0): [dri] DRIServerInit Failed..... (EE) AIGLX: Screen0 is not DRI capable |
| 16:23.31 | Detox_on_Server | so after each add nonfree right? |
| 16:23.35 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: i didnt know aria2, its hardly as good as rtorrent, but probably good enough.. |
| 16:23.39 | \amethyst | Detox_on_Server: yes, and probably add contrib to the lines that don't have it |
| 16:23.39 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: Just append 'non-free' on the end of each one |
| 16:23.44 | keith80403 | hark, Haven't dpkg-reconfigure'd yet though.... |
| 16:23.46 | \amethyst | Detox_on_Server: non-free |
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| 16:25.12 | hark | tarzeau: http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp#b4 |
| 16:25.12 | solar_sea | w |
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| 16:25.13 | Detox_on_Server | ok now doing update |
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| 16:25.27 | tarzeau | hark: thanks for the information |
| 16:25.30 | MrWup | how do i log in as su with debian? |
| 16:25.32 | gospon-znj | keith80403: For DRI to function (meaning for you to be able to use the 3D acceleration of your gfx card) you have to install the proprietary drivers. You don't need them for usual desktop work though |
| 16:25.47 | itchi | MrWup: With 'su'? |
| 16:25.55 | tarzeau | hark: i've got much more sympathy for www.freebasic.net - can't wait for having it in debian |
| 16:26.02 | \amethyst | MrWup: you mean 'as root'? |
| 16:26.05 | MrWup | itchi, yeah |
| 16:26.21 | MrWup | debserver:/usr/src# /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/pg_ctl -D ./postgres/data -l logfile start |
| 16:26.22 | MrWup | pg_ctl: cannot be run as root |
| 16:26.22 | MrWup | Please log in (using, e.g., "su") as the (unprivileged) user that will |
| 16:26.22 | MrWup | own the server process. |
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| 16:26.22 | \amethyst | MrWup: log in as a normal user, type su, and enter the root password |
| 16:26.22 | hark | tarzeau: fixed the line endings problem ? |
| 16:26.30 | tarzeau | hark: no :( |
| 16:26.31 | keith80403 | gospon-znj, OK, I'll try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org and see if it fixes the problem - thanks. |
| 16:26.33 | Detox_on_Server | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry nonfree/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 16:26.40 | tarzeau | hark: but looking at libnel and www.mtp-target.org again |
| 16:26.41 | MrWup | oops sorry for the flood |
| 16:26.48 | Detox_on_Server | what did I goof u p? |
| 16:26.52 | \amethyst | MrWup: su postgres |
| 16:26.52 | Flimzy | I've just begun to receive some odd errors when trying to create or remove a logical volume using LVM: /dev/dm-5: read failed after 0 of 4096 at o: Input/output error. What does this mean? |
| 16:26.54 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: Did you aptitude update ? |
| 16:26.57 | \amethyst | MrWup: as root |
| 16:27.04 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: oh |
| 16:27.06 | Detox_on_Server | ,,, apt-get update |
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| 16:27.08 | itchi | Detox_on_Server: 'non-free' |
| 16:27.15 | Detox_on_Server | ahhh |
| 16:27.25 | \amethyst | MrWup: or use the init scripts instead of starting it by hand |
| 16:27.33 | hark | keith80403: ah, that's all? what card? |
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| 16:27.37 | valdyn | Flimzy: means that the underlying block device or hardware is broken |
| 16:27.42 | tenco | gnome got gnome-volume-manager, but what can ascii types use for that? |
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| 16:27.50 | MrWup | \amethyst, where are the init scripts? |
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| 16:28.15 | Flimzy | valdyn: Wouldn't it be normal to also get a lot of other errors if the underlying block device was hosed? like dma timeouts and whatnot in dmesg? |
| 16:28.30 | hark | tarzeau: looks nice :) |
| 16:28.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: not necessarily |
| 16:28.34 | \amethyst | MrWup: /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 Run it with the argument "stop" or "start" or "restart" or "reload" |
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| 16:28.42 | MrWup | oh ok |
| 16:28.53 | tarzeau | hark: watched the video? great sound! and super game play fun! (imagine 16 pingaroos flying around) |
| 16:28.58 | valdyn | Flimzy: disks can easily have a very small number of physically broken areas |
| 16:29.03 | hark | tarzeau: "Bad news: Everything is broken." :\ |
| 16:29.03 | Flimzy | valdyn: Hrm. Without physical access to the machine, is there anything further I can do to pin-point the problem? |
| 16:29.10 | Detox_on_Server | works better,, amazing what a "-" will do |
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| 16:29.18 | valdyn | Flimzy: though I didn't want to imply that this is a hardware error, it _can_ be one |
| 16:29.22 | tarzeau | hark: and when you are at the goal with the most possible points, in the last second some dork pangaroo crashes into you, putting you into the water - zero points. |
| 16:29.26 | Flimzy | valdyn: True, but this is using hardware RAID5. So a physical defect on a disk _shouldn't_ be detectible by the OS. |
| 16:29.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: run badblock. |
| 16:29.39 | tarzeau | hark: it's got in-game chat (most people french) very fun... read on |
| 16:29.41 | hark | haha |
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| 16:29.56 | valdyn | Flimzy: err 'badblocks' |
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| 16:30.10 | tarzeau | hark: this is another super fun game: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/bubtoomuch2full.png |
| 16:30.14 | itchi | ahaaa, i have maybe found that apt-proxy bug :-( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382078 |
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| 16:30.31 | Flimzy | valdyn: I would probably have to destroy my data do to that... |
| 16:30.37 | valdyn | Flimzy: nope |
| 16:30.46 | Flimzy | valdyn: Well, I guess I could do a read-only badblocks on the entire LVM physical volume |
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| 16:30.54 | Flimzy | or even the entire block device |
| 16:31.07 | \amethyst | Flimzy: man badblocks, look for -n |
| 16:31.15 | \amethyst | Flimzy: non-destructive read/write |
| 16:31.30 | Flimzy | ah |
| 16:31.36 | \amethyst | Flimzy: not for use on mounted devices :) |
| 16:31.39 | Flimzy | I guess it reads the data, and writes the same data back? |
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| 16:32.01 | Flimzy | \amethyst: heh, well this is a *very* mounted device :P |
| 16:32.01 | dutchfish | can i run dos games with sound emulation in etch? |
| 16:32.03 | \amethyst | Flimzy: probably doing other stuff in the middle |
| 16:32.08 | Flimzy | (as though devices can have varying degrees of mountedness) |
| 16:32.30 | valdyn | dutchfish: sure |
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| 16:32.46 | \amethyst | Flimzy: then it's read-only for you :) |
| 16:32.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, what is needed for that, can you give me a hint? |
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| 16:33.06 | Flimzy | I don't see a command line switch for read only. is that the default operational mode? |
| 16:33.18 | valdyn | dutchfish: dosbox, dosemu, bochs, maybe even vmware, wine |
| 16:33.25 | tarzeau | hark: seen these yet? http://www.nevrax.org/tikiwiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=2 |
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| 16:33.34 | loca|host | i've installed clamav antivirus and would like to get it watching for incoming trafic (mail, uploaded files from apache ....) any idea ? |
| 16:33.50 | dutchfish | valdyn, i have a game called little big adventure, its dos, would love it to run |
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| 16:34.15 | valdyn | dutchfish: i would use dosbox, but anything i listed might work, i dont know that game |
| 16:34.18 | dutchfish | valdyn, its pre-windows |
| 16:34.25 | hark | tarzeau: just watching the video now :) |
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| 16:34.32 | freetos | i'm having problems with bittorrent downloads opening /tmp files up, does anybody know of the fix? |
| 16:34.45 | tarzeau | freetos: any error message? |
| 16:34.53 | freetos | no such file |
| 16:34.53 | valdyn | !tell freetos -about ask |
| 16:34.57 | dutchfish | valdyn, gone try that one out later, ty! |
| 16:35.09 | jeward | Is it possible to add an argument to "aptitude upgrade" so that it does everything without interaction? |
| 16:35.15 | tarzeau | hark: cute? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/lemmings.png |
| 16:35.22 | tarzeau | jeward: i bet |
| 16:35.28 | valdyn | jeward: no, not everything, you can use -y |
| 16:35.29 | tarzeau | jeward: apt-get has -uy |
| 16:35.39 | valdyn | jeward: debconf is configured with 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' |
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| 16:37.14 | Flimzy | Running a read-only badblocks on the underlying device |
| 16:37.15 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 16:38.30 | Azar | do we have some kind of package that would perform say... an annual cleanup on the system? |
| 16:38.42 | xand | cron + rm |
| 16:39.00 | Azar | xand: what it actually does? |
| 16:39.11 | keith80403 | gospon-znj, OK, I'll try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org says it's not installed - should I look for another package? dpkg -l \*xserver-org\* shows quite a few packages - would you be interested in looking at a pastebin ? |
| 16:39.31 | Azar | xserver-xorg man |
| 16:40.54 | hark | keith80403: install xorg if it's not already installed |
| 16:41.10 | Azar | hark: I guess he has xorg only he tries to configure "org" |
| 16:41.26 | keith80403 | hark, is that the pkg name "xorg" ? Or is it "xserver-xorg?" |
| 16:41.37 | hark | tarzeau: yeah, you mentioned this game earlier too, but is it in the repos now? |
| 16:41.54 | Azar | keith80403: go with "dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 16:41.55 | hark | Azar: typo maybe? ;) |
| 16:42.37 | hark | keith80403: xorg |
| 16:42.37 | tarzeau | hark: pity no. it's python |
| 16:42.37 | keith80403 | Azar, Package not found when I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org - but there are some there.... I'll try Azar's suggestion and see. |
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| 16:43.04 | hark | keith80403: you missed an 'x' there |
| 16:43.17 | MrWup | even the --force-newconf flag doesnt seem to make it just start afresh with new config. it still seems to look for old config |
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| 16:44.17 | itchi | tarzeau: How did you to change the fonts height of the directory listings in apache? |
| 16:44.20 | keith80403 | hark, I missed an 'x' - ok thanks. |
| 16:44.29 | tarzeau | itchi: where? i didn't? |
| 16:44.44 | itchi | tarzeau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ |
| 16:45.05 | tarzeau | itchi: i didn't change it. which browser? |
| 16:45.25 | \amethyst | itchi: compared to what? |
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| 16:45.39 | itchi | tarzeau: Looks like there it make use of fixed width |
| 16:45.55 | \amethyst | it's in a pre |
| 16:45.56 | itchi | Compared to here http://moon/~david/imgs/screenshots/ |
| 16:45.57 | tarzeau | itchi: wasn't that default for apache like for ever? |
| 16:46.05 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 16:46.05 | \amethyst | moon isn't a fqdn |
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| 16:46.23 | itchi | oh :-p http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/ |
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| 16:46.45 | \amethyst | itchi: they look the same to me |
| 16:46.51 | hark | itchi: epiphany? |
| 16:47.06 | itchi | heh, these have a different look here with iceweasel |
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| 16:47.28 | \amethyst | itchi: Are you using NoSquint or something? |
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| 16:47.38 | itchi | One is one size smaller and make use of that fixed font |
| 16:47.45 | \amethyst | itchi: the HTML looks the same, except for the content of the <PRE> of course |
| 16:47.46 | itchi | \amethyst: NO |
| 16:48.10 | itchi | \amethyst: hhhm, that's a pre tag the. |
| 16:48.17 | itchi | Where can i modify these? :-) |
| 16:48.22 | \amethyst | itchi: They both have pre tags |
| 16:48.48 | itchi | I just want to set a smaller font :-) |
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| 16:49.01 | JoKo | Hi... I was using Etch while it was the testing release due to the madwifi drivers. Now that it's finally stable, how to upgrade to the stable release? |
| 16:49.10 | Thorrn4_Fire | hello, Im kinda new to Linux (I've only been using it for 2 years) and I have a question about Debian b/c Im interested in it: I was looking on distowatch and at debian's package version of K3B and it is 0.12.XX, and I was wondering, if I wanted 1.0 wold I have to compile it myself? |
| 16:49.44 | Azar | JoKo: change the "testing" stanza on all your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list to >> "etch" |
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| 16:50.33 | keith80403 | Azar, Ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, got the usual console configuration screens, still doesn't work - any ideas? |
| 16:50.41 | hark | !info k3b etch |
| 16:50.46 | dpkg | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE CD burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.17-8 (etch), Packaged size: 3994 kB, Installed size: 8404 kB |
| 16:50.48 | Szeraax | I'm having trouble getting Qtparted working in etch, has anyone else got it working? |
| 16:50.59 | keith80403 | Azar, "Doesn't work" - means startx won't start X. |
| 16:51.01 | tarzeau | Szeraax: to do what? |
| 16:51.02 | Azar | keith80403: sorry I did not catch what was your problem? |
| 16:51.06 | Szeraax | to install |
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| 16:51.16 | tarzeau | Szeraax: error message/ |
| 16:51.17 | Azar | keith80403: startx as root, or startx as user? |
| 16:51.19 | Szeraax | qtparted inst in my aptitude package list |
| 16:51.25 | Szeraax | dependencies |
| 16:51.31 | Szeraax | so i grabbed the .deb |
| 16:51.35 | keith80403 | Azar, Trying to get X working under Etch. - as root. |
| 16:51.35 | Szeraax | and used dpkg |
| 16:51.39 | JoKo | Azar, is deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates |
| 16:51.39 | JoKo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.43 | JoKo | still valid? |
| 16:51.57 | Azar | keith80403: by default root will not run X. Only as user. For security issues |
| 16:51.57 | Szeraax | it dies for dependencies |
| 16:52.02 | hark | JoKo: /msg dpkg etch security |
| 16:52.02 | nn-main | what command will remove the string spesified form stdin then pas the fixed string to stdout |
| 16:52.03 | leOn | just solved my 3GB limit problem |
| 16:52.05 | Szeraax | i have parted isntalled (1.7) |
| 16:52.10 | tarzeau | nn-main: sed |
| 16:52.15 | keith80403 | Azar, Interesting, I'll try startx as a regular user.... |
| 16:52.17 | leOn | the installation of that etch bigmem kernel solved it |
| 16:52.27 | tarzeau | nn-main: sed -i s,sarge,etch,g file |
| 16:52.29 | \amethyst | itchi: you might be able to do something with HEADER.html. Check the apache docs for mod_autoindex |
| 16:52.33 | Azar | keith80403: try it as user, then in X open up a term and "su" to have root credentials |
| 16:52.38 | hark | leOn: heh, so simple ;) |
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| 16:53.06 | Szeraax | it (qtpar.) wants libparted >=1.6.0. i have 1.7 installed with parted |
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| 16:53.19 | keith80403 | Azar, Won't start under a regular user either..... |
| 16:53.22 | JoKo | hark, thanks |
| 16:53.24 | Szeraax | i have all that it wants but in higher versions |
| 16:53.31 | hark | keith80403: what card? driver? grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 16:53.32 | valdyn | keith80403: read the log file |
| 16:53.34 | leOn | hark: i was amazed actually ... usually whenever i try to pull something like that, Murphys Laws strike with all its glory |
| 16:53.45 | itchi | \amethyst: I make use of that, it not change that directory listing, it's just to add a header page or a footer, somethings like this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/debs/ |
| 16:53.52 | nn-main | ?? script |
| 16:53.52 | \amethyst | Szeraax: where did you get this qtparted package? |
| 16:53.59 | Szeraax | sourceforge |
| 16:54.00 | hatta | is there a reason libk3b3 is not installable? |
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| 16:54.03 | valdyn | keith80403: or, i think you havent even installed X completely, or configured it |
| 16:54.19 | hark | !btssmite hatta |
| 16:54.25 | keith80403 | valdyn, This was in xorg.log (EE) ATI(0): [dri] DRIServerInit Failed..... (EE) AIGLX: Screen0 is not DRI capable |
| 16:54.29 | \amethyst | Szeraax: Try the one from unstable instead |
| 16:54.43 | Szeraax | oh, probly... |
| 16:54.43 | valdyn | keith80403: and which error is above that? |
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| 16:54.57 | Szeraax | i also got the source for the latest qt |
| 16:55.08 | keith80403 | valdyn, The output of grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:55.18 | Szeraax | but i dont know how to install from source using module assistane |
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| 16:55.37 | nn-main | help ?? |
| 16:55.40 | \amethyst | Szeraax: module assistant is for kernel modules, which qt is not |
| 16:55.47 | Azar | keith80403: use a paster and paste all content for valdyn to see.. |
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| 16:55.48 | hark | nn-main: no |
| 16:55.49 | Szeraax | oh, that would make sense |
| 16:55.52 | nn-main | any thing a little simplear |
| 16:55.56 | Szeraax | do i then just do make? |
| 16:55.56 | Fuwex | hey guys |
| 16:55.59 | keith80403 | valdyn, I installed a simple desktop the first pass, to try the installer, then ran Aptitude / Tasks / Desktop Environment, and that's where I am. |
| 16:56.02 | keith80403 | Azar, OK will do. |
| 16:56.19 | Fuwex | How do I bring up the network configuration (preferably through a GUI) after I've finished my installation of Debian? |
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| 16:56.28 | Szeraax | or rather, could you point me to a page that has installing from source for dummies |
| 16:56.30 | Szeraax | :) |
| 16:56.41 | \amethyst | Szeraax: what version of qt do you need? |
| 16:56.50 | Szeraax | i really dont care |
| 16:56.59 | Szeraax | the deb i got was .4.3 i think |
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| 16:57.02 | \amethyst | So why are you compiling it from source? |
| 16:57.03 | valdyn | debian enables aiglx by default now? that's news |
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| 16:57.04 | Szeraax | and latest is .4.5 |
| 16:57.10 | breadstick | Hello all |
| 16:57.14 | Szeraax | (it said 4.3 was outdated too) |
| 16:57.25 | Pollywog | where can I get Freenx for Debian Etch? |
| 16:57.31 | Szeraax | bc i dont have a better idea |
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| 16:57.37 | Azar | valdyn: maybe is an udev's thing |
| 16:57.41 | Pollywog | do I have to use *buntu sources to build it? |
| 16:57.42 | nn-main | all i need to do is have a utility that will " cat file | cutstring "string" | Etc." |
| 16:57.43 | breadstick | Anyone know why scp would give a host key failed while ssh (same server, same user/pw) does not?? |
| 16:57.45 | valdyn | Azar: nah |
| 16:58.00 | nn-main | any thing like that |
| 16:58.20 | \amethyst | Szeraax: qt isn't up to 4.5, is it? |
| 16:58.28 | valdyn | Azar: its Option "AIGLX" "true" in xorg.conf |
| 16:58.33 | Szeraax | i thought... |
| 16:58.35 | Szeraax | lemme go check |
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| 16:58.44 | fluxdude3 | i'm going to use iptables on my debian laptop, how does it store it's config using iptables-save and iptables-restore. |
| 16:58.48 | \amethyst | Szeraax: or are you talking about qtparted? |
| 16:58.48 | Szeraax | yup |
| 16:58.50 | valdyn | keith80403: paste your xorg.conf too while you're at it.. |
| 16:58.52 | Azar | valdyn: woohoo! |
| 16:58.52 | fluxdude3 | I don't see an init script for iptables |
| 16:58.53 | Szeraax | qtparted |
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| 16:58.59 | Szeraax | i've got 1.7 or parted |
| 16:59.00 | \amethyst | Szeraax: 0.4.5 is in unstable |
| 16:59.02 | Szeraax | of* |
| 16:59.08 | fluxdude3 | how does it store and re-apply the tables after reboot? |
| 16:59.13 | ooglaboogla | anyone here familiar with feraga.com's debian on usb key ? |
| 16:59.16 | \amethyst | Szeraax: you can use that package---it should be mostly compatible with etch at the moment |
| 16:59.23 | Szeraax | the 4.3? |
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| 16:59.31 | \amethyst | Szeraax: no, the 0.4.5 in unstable |
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| 16:59.48 | valdyn | fluxdude3: it doesnt, by default, that is why you use one of the firewall frameworks in debian or reinvent the wheel |
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| 17:00.09 | Szeraax | g2g |
| 17:00.09 | ooglaboogla | i want to upgrade my debian on usb key from 1gb key to 4 gb key, would like assistance in doing this |
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| 17:00.17 | keith80403 | valdyn, Here's the Xorg.0.log, will follow with xorg.conf shortly: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6038 |
| 17:00.22 | Web-Kanotix20 | could anyone here help me out with installing and playing "UNREAL ANTHOLOGY? |
| 17:00.34 | fluxdude3 | valdyn: which "firewall framework" would you recommend? |
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| 17:00.55 | \amethyst | Szeraax: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qtparted/qtparted_0.4.5-2_i386.deb |
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| 17:01.39 | apk | aptitude is a hard word to type. |
| 17:01.54 | Azar | ooglaboogla: you are refering to: How to install Debian Etch on USB Flash memory stick? |
| 17:01.58 | hark | alias it to apk |
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| 17:02.10 | sussudio | aptitude |
| 17:02.14 | sussudio | no it isn't. |
| 17:02.24 | tarzeau | add moo to it :) |
| 17:02.24 | nvz | or learn to type |
| 17:02.27 | junix-other | is there a mp3 player that works, i can't get xmms to work, vlc doesn't work, i'm on unstable, i want something comparable to xmms, juk doesn't cut it. can anyone help me out? |
| 17:02.29 | apk | hark: I aliased it to apt-, as I usually get that far before remembering I should use aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 17:02.42 | hark | and -v -vv -vvv ... |
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| 17:02.56 | cydork | apk: apti<tab><tab> |
| 17:02.58 | tarzeau | junix-other: try opencubicplayer (ocp *.mp3) |
| 17:03.08 | valdyn | keith80403: this isnt an xorg.conf that was generated by debian, as it looks |
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| 17:03.21 | junix-other | tarzeau: that is in the apt repository? |
| 17:03.32 | tarzeau | junix-other: yes |
| 17:03.33 | keith80403 | valdyn, It's Xorg.0.log, xorg.conf is on the way..... |
| 17:03.34 | Azar | keith80403: again what distro have you installed? which version? |
| 17:03.41 | roxy_ | apk: I use C-x C-u to update C-x C-d to upgrade (in .inputrc) |
| 17:03.43 | ooglaboogla | Azar: yes i've done that on a 1 gb stick and need to move the contents now to a 4 gb stick (outgrew 1gb already) |
| 17:03.44 | valdyn | keith80403: sure. |
| 17:03.58 | keith80403 | Azar, Etch Stable, burned the CD yesterday, after the release, created the .iso with jigdo.... |
| 17:04.08 | valdyn | keith80403: dpkg -l | tail -1 libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:04.23 | Azar | ooglaboogla: I never used a memory stick, I just found this howto around, if you want the link.. |
| 17:04.39 | ooglaboogla | Azar: got it. thanks though |
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| 17:04.47 | hark | valdyn: uh.. |
| 17:05.05 | keith80403 | valdyn, OK, will do. |
| 17:05.06 | valdyn | hark: yea, damn |
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| 17:05.18 | valdyn | keith80403: 'dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri | tail -1' |
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| 17:05.51 | keith80403 | valdyn, shouldn't that be a ";" before "tail -l" ?? |
| 17:06.03 | valdyn | keith80403: nope |
| 17:06.06 | nvz | no |
| 17:06.13 | keith80403 | valdyn, Well, hoookay..... |
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| 17:06.29 | valdyn | keith80403: waiting for your xorg.conf too |
| 17:06.37 | nvz | with a ; it would produce like 5 lines of output and an error |
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| 17:06.49 | nvz | with a pipe in produces one line of output |
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| 17:07.13 | Azar | keith80403: we wanna see your xorg.conf , it is getting interesting :) |
| 17:07.23 | loca|host | i've installed clamav antivirus and would like to get it watching for incoming trafic (mail, uploaded files from apache ....) any idea ? |
| 17:07.30 | MrWup | why do no groupware systems ever fucking work |
| 17:07.32 | MrWup | theyre all shit |
| 17:07.35 | Azar | valdyn: bets: what could be? |
| 17:07.38 | MrWup | not a single god damn one will install properly |
| 17:07.43 | nvz | actually 6 lines and it would hang |
| 17:07.49 | MrWup | 7 days ive wasted on this shit |
| 17:07.53 | MrWup | every hour of the day |
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| 17:08.00 | Alex84 | re all |
| 17:08.02 | valdyn | Azar: an incomplete X installation |
| 17:08.06 | Azar | MrWup: oooo, why do you need clamav? |
| 17:08.15 | Azar | valdyn: couldn't be an alien xorg? |
| 17:08.20 | valdyn | Azar: but that isnt much more than a guess |
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| 17:08.24 | fluxdude3 | cos of the wintendians that inhabit his network |
| 17:08.24 | MrWup | Azar, clamav? |
| 17:08.28 | keith80403 | valdyn, xorg.conf at http://channels.debian.net/paste/6039 |
| 17:08.30 | valdyn | Azar: alien? |
| 17:08.32 | nvz | MrWup: give them notebooks and pencils and cram the bastards in the same room and call it groupware |
| 17:08.48 | MrWup | nvz, yeah thats what i feel like doing. |
| 17:08.48 | Azar | MrWup: sorry it was local|host I confused.. |
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| 17:09.03 | MrWup | nvz, it astounds me that something as simple as groupware is so overly complex. |
| 17:09.05 | keith80403 | valdyn, will have the dpkg command soon. |
| 17:09.20 | hipodilski | guys I need some help |
| 17:09.21 | timmy06 | hello... whenever i try to do an apt-get install for ap ackage, it says "kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386: depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) but it is not installable" and then "E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no pacakges" |
| 17:09.27 | timmy06 | How can I fix this up? |
| 17:09.32 | MrWup | all its used for is syncing diaries and email etc. how hard can it be. even microsoft exchange fucked my entire win2k3 installation yesterday when i tried to install it |
| 17:09.35 | hipodilski | I'm trying to upgrade my sarge to etch |
| 17:09.43 | tarzeau | timmy06: kernel-image is old, as in old-stable? |
| 17:09.48 | nvz | MrWup: heh.. seems pointless to me. if the people are too stupid to use software they probably cant handle groupware either |
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| 17:09.51 | Azar | timmy06: are you running Sarge, or Etch? |
| 17:09.52 | hipodilski | I'm running 2.2.20 kernel from woody |
| 17:09.57 | sohmestra | MrWup: you need exchange server |
| 17:09.57 | timmy06 | Azar: how do I check? |
| 17:10.01 | valdyn | hipodilski: oo |
| 17:10.04 | Azar | hipodilski: ouch!! |
| 17:10.05 | junix-other | tarzeau: opencubic blows |
| 17:10.09 | nvz | you can do all the same shit with word processor and and email client |
| 17:10.09 | hipodilski | I get this err |
| 17:10.11 | MrWup | sohmestra, yeah. i tried it. it wont even install. its a nightmare |
| 17:10.12 | hipodilski | WARNING: This version of glibc requires that you be running |
| 17:10.12 | hipodilski | kernel version 2.4.1 or later. Earlier kernels contained |
| 17:10.12 | hipodilski | bugs that may render the system unusable if a modern version |
| 17:10.12 | hipodilski | of glibc is installed. |
| 17:10.12 | hipodilski | dpkg: error processing libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13_i386.deb (--install): |
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| 17:10.12 | tarzeau | junix-other: best? |
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| 17:10.34 | junix-other | i would take xmms any day if it wasn't broken |
| 17:10.35 | capiira | hihi anyone know a site that explains me how to build a kernel using dpkg-buildpackage (not make-kpkg) ? |
| 17:10.38 | valdyn | sarge works with a 2.2 kernel? impressive |
| 17:10.40 | Azar | timmy06: see if you run Debian 3.0, 3.1 or 4.0 |
| 17:10.46 | hipodilski | sorry for the flood |
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| 17:10.57 | timmy06 | How do I check if I run Debian 3.0, 3.1, or 4.0 ? |
| 17:10.59 | sohmestra | timmy06: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:11.03 | tarzeau | junix-other: but opencubicplayer has all the cool graphics output like http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp1.png |
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| 17:11.08 | valdyn | hipodilski: you want to upgrade TO SARGE first, including a sarge kernel |
| 17:11.08 | hipodilski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.14 | hatta | has anyone had this problem upgrading locales: http://pastebin.ca/434857 |
| 17:11.16 | timmy06 | I am running 3.1 |
| 17:11.17 | hipodilski | and I can't update my kernel because it needs the new glibc! |
| 17:11.29 | valdyn | hipodilski: and you want to read the release notes before doing an upgrade at all |
| 17:11.33 | hipodilski | valdyn: I'm running sarge with security patches |
| 17:11.40 | hipodilski | only the kernel was from woody |
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| 17:11.43 | hatta | I checked bugs.debian.org, didn't see anything similar |
| 17:11.51 | Azar | sarge with a 2.2 kernel? wow |
| 17:11.53 | hipodilski | valdyn: where to read them |
| 17:11.59 | hipodilski | Azar: yes :} |
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| 17:12.03 | valdyn | hipodilski: at debian.org |
| 17:12.06 | Azar | thats CRAZY |
| 17:12.08 | valdyn | hipodilski: or fgi |
| 17:12.09 | tarzeau | Azar: indeed |
| 17:12.10 | timmy06 | can i upgrade to 4.0 ? |
| 17:12.20 | stew | hipodilski: /msg dpkg etch |
| 17:12.21 | tarzeau | timmy06: nobody in here can stop you |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | !fgi hipodilski sarge+release+notes |
| 17:12.25 | dpkg | hipodilski: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sarge+release+notes |
| 17:12.27 | sohmestra | hipodilski: install the woody 2.4 kernel |
| 17:12.29 | Azar | timmy06: hold on |
| 17:12.32 | stew | timmy06: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:12.39 | sohmestra | hipodilski: then upgrade |
| 17:12.40 | nvz | if you're just now upgrading from 2.2 kernel you're like 5 years late at least |
| 17:12.45 | Azar | timmy06: uname -r see what kernel you are running |
| 17:12.57 | timmy06 | 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Mon May 29 23:50:41 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:13.12 | Azar | timmy06: upgrade to a 2.6.8 first... |
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| 17:13.32 | timmy06 | how do i upgrade my kernel? |
| 17:13.35 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.42 | valdyn | timmy06: read the manual |
| 17:13.46 | keith80403 | valdyn, Azar - http://channels.debian.net/paste/6040 |
| 17:13.50 | timmy06 | where is the manual? |
| 17:13.52 | hipodilski | I have just one question when some script is failing when trying to install the new glibc what can I do? |
| 17:13.54 | sohmestra | timmy06: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
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| 17:14.10 | timmy06 | Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 17:14.14 | sohmestra | timmy06: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 17:14.18 | Azar | timmy06: apt-cache search kernel-image ... look on the list at any 2.6.8 that match yoru cpu arch. Copy the line . Then : aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8....... |
| 17:14.21 | nikolavp | i just want to install Debian and i got An Installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu.The failing list is Grub boot loader |
| 17:14.26 | nikolavp | what can cause this ? |
| 17:14.28 | valdyn | keith80403: ok, before i go into diagnosing this... 'apt-get install xorg' then see if X works |
| 17:14.30 | stew | Azar: why would upgrading to 2.6.8 be better than 2.6.18? |
| 17:14.48 | Azar | stew from 2.4 I don't know it sounds drastic |
| 17:14.50 | PaSurf | I notice there is a folder called backups under my var/backups. most have a .bak. what are these? |
| 17:14.53 | hark | valdyn: yeah, he's already got xorg |
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| 17:15.07 | stew | Azar: why would it be any more drastic than 2.4 -> 2.6.8? |
| 17:15.11 | Azar | stew 2.6.18 has a lot of changes |
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| 17:15.26 | valdyn | hark: you *know* that its installed completely? i already know he has at least parts. |
| 17:15.43 | Azar | stew maybe you are right, but I allways go overcautious before a dist-upgrade |
| 17:15.49 | hark | i asked him to install it to make sure ;) |
| 17:15.58 | keith80403 | valdyn, OK I'll try it - 5 mins....... |
| 17:16.04 | timmy06 | Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? |
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| 17:16.09 | hipodilski | would somebody give me a hint what can I do when during the u |
| 17:16.10 | valdyn | i agree with azar, i would do kernel migration hassles before sarge->etch, but that's just me |
| 17:16.12 | stew | timmy06: definately not |
| 17:16.13 | timmy06 | aptitude wants me to remove the kernel image |
| 17:16.18 | hark | keith80403: didn't you install xorg earlier? |
| 17:16.21 | hipodilski | upgrade the glibc upgrade script fails |
| 17:16.42 | stew | timmy06: put it on hold with "aptitude hold packagenmae" from the command line or by hitting = in the aptitude frontend |
| 17:16.42 | timmy06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.43 | timmy06 | Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. |
| 17:16.51 | Azar | at least timmy06 gets a short experience with a lower kernel install.. |
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| 17:17.12 | mattwilson | does anybody know if there's a straightforward way for me to upgrade from i386 to amd64? google suggest anything obvious |
| 17:17.21 | Azar | timmy06: I am assuming you are running Sarge with a 2.4.27 kernel and your sources are clean |
| 17:17.40 | hark | mattwilson: yeah, reinstall |
| 17:17.58 | mattwilson | hark, i was keeping that out of the "straightforward" pile, for the moment :) |
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| 17:18.07 | mattwilson | but yea, that's my current plan |
| 17:18.13 | keith80403 | hark, I think xorg was installed when I ran Aptitude / Tasks / Desktop Environment |
| 17:18.19 | timmy06 | I'm running debian 3.1 with kernel 2.4.27-3 with my sources pointing to deb http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/ unstable main |
| 17:18.28 | Azar | timmy06: what is your cpu? amd? intel? |
| 17:18.41 | timmy06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.43 | Azar | what the f***********ck!!! |
| 17:18.48 | Azar | unstable? |
| 17:18.52 | stew | timmy06: what version of libc6 is installed? ("dpkg -l libc6" will tell you) |
| 17:19.01 | timmy06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.10 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:19.11 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? |
| 17:19.16 | hark | keith80403: yeah, do an aptitude install xorg nonetheless to make everyone happy;) |
| 17:19.18 | keith80403 | hark, Also, I ran aptitude install xorg just now, no errors or activity - it must think it's already installed. |
| 17:19.27 | tarzeau | haha , that fits |
| 17:19.27 | keith80403 | hark, Just did ^^^ |
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| 17:19.29 | stew | timmy06: you should be pointing your sources at etch, not unstable |
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| 17:19.40 | Azar | stew: to sarge for now |
| 17:19.58 | Agiofws | hello |
| 17:19.58 | stew | Azar: why? |
| 17:19.58 | hark | keith80403: yes, xorg is part of the desktop task |
| 17:19.59 | stew | Azar: i thought he wanted to upgrade to etch? |
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| 17:20.03 | Azar | stew: because he is trying to install a 2.6.8 kernel for sarge pre-dist-upgrade |
| 17:20.16 | keith80403 | hark, Right, that's what I thought too. |
| 17:20.17 | Azar | kernel first, dist-upgrade after |
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| 17:20.34 | stew | Azar: is this procedure that you are giving him, which differs from the procedure in the etch release notes, documented anywhere? |
| 17:20.41 | Agiofws | hey can you help this guy has installed this debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso can he install etch ? |
| 17:20.55 | Azar | stew: I agree with you but I was thinking that dist-upgrade with a 2.4.27 is lame |
| 17:21.08 | Agiofws | does he have to download etch ? |
| 17:21.08 | stew | Azar: so you think he should ignore the release notes here? |
| 17:21.35 | Azar | stew no, absolutely not: the release notes even indicate that a move to 2.6.x pre-upgrade is recommended |
| 17:21.44 | stew | Azar: where? |
| 17:21.46 | mfrisch | If I used a prerelease iso for etch and keep it up to date is it a official install? |
| 17:21.54 | stew | Azar: i'm looking at 4.5.5 |
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| 17:22.55 | Azar | stew: chapter 4.1.5 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 17:22.55 | Agiofws | hey can you help this guy has installed this debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso can he install etch ? |
| 17:22.55 | Agiofws | ? |
| 17:22.56 | timmy06 | okay im now doing... aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 17:23.24 | stew | Azar: that doesn't say to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 prior to the upgrade, it says to upgrade from 2.2 prior to the upgrade |
| 17:23.34 | Azar | timmy06: change your sources to : "sarge" from "unstable" ! |
| 17:23.39 | timmy06 | Azar: yes, i did |
| 17:23.46 | mfrisch | Agiofws: update to etch after? |
| 17:23.46 | Azar | stew: indeed the wording is confusing there |
| 17:23.48 | timmy06 | Azar: it installed 2.6.8-3 successfully |
| 17:23.49 | pickcoder | mfrisch: yes |
| 17:24.01 | timmy06 | now can I do a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 17:24.07 | mfrisch | pickcoder: it is cool didn't know. |
| 17:24.07 | Agiofws | i don't know |
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| 17:24.23 | Azar | timmy06: ok now you can do what stew said: reboot, then change sources in /etc/apt/sources.list to "etch" |
| 17:24.35 | pickcoder | mfrisch: if you installed packags from unofficial repos then it would be questionable |
| 17:24.37 | timmy06 | ah okay |
| 17:24.51 | pickcoder | otherwise, you're running Etch with the latest updates so the installer is a moot point |
| 17:24.51 | deconvolution | hi, normally my debian client will automatically show all the shared printers on a cups server without special search. However, recently such function is no longer working. I wonder someone who has same experience can give me a clue? |
| 17:25.07 | pickcoder | unless you're on 2.6.8 still |
| 17:25.09 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:25.37 | mfrisch | pickcoder: already been past that I was just wondering. |
| 17:26.03 | stew | Agiofws: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:26.21 | timmy06 | dpkg doesnt talk to me lol |
| 17:26.32 | stew | dpkg: tell timmy06 about sarge->etch |
| 17:26.32 | pickcoder | timmy06: you need to register your nick |
| 17:26.40 | timmy06 | ooooh........ |
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| 17:26.53 | stew | timmy06: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:26.59 | pickcoder | I don't think the servers on freenode allow anon /msg |
| 17:27.07 | valdyn | !find mach64.ko |
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| 17:27.12 | mfrisch | they don't. |
| 17:27.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mach64.ko' returned no results. |
| 17:27.29 | quad3datwork | did the new apache2 pkg do-away w/ apache2-ssl-certificate? there is no /etc/apache2/ssl anymore as well |
| 17:27.44 | mfrisch | pickcoder: and you have to do a irc line after you register or it still won't let you. |
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| 17:27.50 | jenipapo | Upgrading from sarge to etch, I am unable to use nvidia drivers |
| 17:27.59 | pickcoder | irc line? |
| 17:28.03 | valdyn | keith80403: uname -a |
| 17:28.06 | Tallu | Uhm. Hey guys. I'm working on some iptables scripts and was wondering if anyone knows of a relatively simple way of limiting outgoing connections per user to a certain port, sort of like 2 concurrent streams per user. i was looking into owner userid filter but couldnt make too much out of it straight away |
| 17:28.16 | stew | mfrisch: pickcoder they do, /msg nickserv help set unfiltered |
| 17:28.44 | pickcoder | stew: ok |
| 17:29.07 | mfrisch | stew: I use kopete (and when I do that it just opens another window, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:29.46 | JKnife | yep.. etch = best release yet |
| 17:30.22 | stew | mfrisch: i don't know, never seen kopete, do you not get information about the unfiltered variabe in that new window? |
| 17:30.53 | busfahrer | Excuse me, what will the next stable release of Debian be called? |
| 17:30.53 | mfrisch | stew: a empty room with (13:30:16) mfrisch: help set unfiltered |
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| 17:31.08 | pickcoder | busfahrer: /topic |
| 17:31.10 | dkr | am I just senile or is the aptitude man page messed up? e.g. \fBinstall\fR |
| 17:31.18 | deconvolution | Tallu: have you tried shorewall? |
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| 17:31.34 | hark | valdyn: maybe he'll need to use vesa then if mach64.ko isn't in the kernel.. |
| 17:31.36 | Tallu | deconvolution: hmm, nope. i'll look it up |
| 17:31.39 | deconvolution | http://www.shorewall.net/UserSets.html |
| 17:31.49 | deconvolution | tallu: this may help |
| 17:32.01 | mfrisch | deconvolution: shorewall rules ;-) |
| 17:32.09 | Tallu | deconvolution: looks like just the thing I need, thanks! |
| 17:32.15 | deconvolution | it is! |
| 17:32.24 | jelly | valdyn: why do you need mach64.ko ? |
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| 17:32.32 | valdyn | hark: he shouldnt need a module to run X, just for DRI |
| 17:32.33 | pickcoder | Tallu: there are user based bandwidth rule packages |
| 17:32.41 | pickcoder | I haven't used any of them though |
| 17:32.54 | pickcoder | trickle is one of them |
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| 17:33.02 | Tallu | pickcoder: hmm ok |
| 17:33.10 | valdyn | jelly: i don't, im wondering why keith80403's X is asking for it |
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| 17:33.48 | Azar | timmy06: you have to be sure that you are running Sarge: less /etc/debian-version, and your kernel is 2.6.8 : uname -r |
| 17:33.51 | jelly | valdyn: um, because he has AIGLX enabled? |
| 17:33.59 | timmy06 | okay |
| 17:34.02 | timmy06 | let me take a look |
| 17:34.11 | Azar | timmy06: ok say it is so |
| 17:34.30 | timmy06 | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 17:34.34 | pumpkin0 | i mount a sshfs from a very, very lowend and slow server (debian etch, not 100% uptodate). it it possible to disable the encryption to speed things up ? |
| 17:34.43 | hipodilski | how to fix this |
| 17:34.44 | timmy06 | and the version is 3.1 |
| 17:34.45 | hipodilski | Unpacking replacement libc6 ... |
| 17:34.45 | hipodilski | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:34.48 | hipodilski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.51 | hipodilski | ? |
| 17:35.02 | timmy06 | Azar: so everything looks good for an etch upgrade right? :) |
| 17:35.05 | valdyn | jelly: that's an excuse to load a module that doesn't exist? |
| 17:35.15 | Azar | timmy06: ok, now go and steer at etch : edit your /etc/apt/sources.list change "sarge" stanza to "etch" on all sources |
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| 17:35.35 | jelly | valdyn: I suppose so, yes |
| 17:35.45 | hipodilski | my libc6 package state is "iH" |
| 17:35.55 | hipodilski | what does this mean? |
| 17:35.58 | timmy06 | Azar: done |
| 17:36.09 | Azar | timmy06: now : aptitude install aptitude |
| 17:36.25 | valdyn | hipodilski: guess its on hold |
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| 17:36.27 | valdyn | !hold |
| 17:36.27 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 17:36.54 | smhar | hello all and congratulations for Etch release, although it doesn't mean alot, as I run testing... I love Debian :-) |
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| 17:37.12 | keith80403 | valdyn, uname -a coming up.......... |
| 17:37.17 | timmy06 | Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? |
| 17:37.23 | stew | timmy06: i'd recommend just following the procedure in the release notes |
| 17:37.29 | Azar | timmy06: no indeed |
| 17:37.35 | hark | keith80403: you can paste that here ;) |
| 17:37.35 | timmy06 | Azar: it's trying to Remove kernel 2.6.8.3-686 for some reason |
| 17:37.36 | stew | timmy06: and never remove the running kernel |
| 17:37.52 | timmy06 | Azar: it failed to install atptiude |
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| 17:38.13 | Azar | timmy06: ok... hmm stew is that wise he could install 2.6.18 now? |
| 17:38.23 | Azar | stew: pre-upgrade |
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| 17:38.28 | hipodilski | valdyn: 10x but when i try apt-get install libc6 |
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| 17:38.35 | stew | Azar: i'd recommend he just follow the procedure in the release notes |
| 17:38.36 | hipodilski | valdyn: Again I get this error |
| 17:38.44 | PaSurf | so is any apt source that uses stable focusing on etch? |
| 17:38.46 | hipodilski | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:38.46 | hipodilski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.46 | hipodilski | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:38.50 | keith80403 | hark, ceres:~# uname -a ---> Linux ceres 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:38.53 | Azar | timmy06: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 17:39.01 | hipodilski | can't I force it to install somehow why is this? |
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| 17:39.05 | keith80403 | valdyn, ceres:~# uname -a ---> Linux ceres 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:39.35 | valdyn | keith80403: i cant believe aiglx is on by default now, are you pasting the wrong xorg.conf maybe? |
| 17:39.35 | maddash | why uname as root? |
| 17:39.46 | valdyn | keith80403: because i see no mention of it there |
| 17:40.08 | valdyn | keith80403: secondly, your X is having an error, but not a fatal one obviously, just DRI is not working. |
| 17:40.18 | keith80403 | valdyn, I used the most recent xorg.conf - ls -l `locate xorg.conf` |
| 17:40.21 | Azar | timmy06: start with 4.5.4 |
| 17:40.26 | timmy06 | there's nothing in that guide that talks about fixing a broken kernel-image |
| 17:40.29 | valdyn | keith80403: which is which file? |
| 17:40.44 | hark | valdyn: it is here too, by default.. |
| 17:40.52 | timmy06 | dpkg: initrd-tools: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: |
| 17:40.52 | timmy06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.52 | timmy06 | Removing initrd-tools ... |
| 17:40.52 | timmy06 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:40.52 | timmy06 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.53 | keith80403 | valdyn, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the one I pasted |
| 17:41.06 | valdyn | hark: ah, thanks |
| 17:41.10 | Szeraax | how do you set the uid for a screen saver? |
| 17:41.26 | valdyn | keith80403: ok, use the vesa driver |
| 17:41.28 | xand | Szeraax: why would you want to? |
| 17:41.36 | keith80403 | maddash, uname as root because I'm troubleshooting X (-: |
| 17:41.46 | valdyn | keith80403: this is broken, but it seems like its X's fault, not yours, or your configurations |
| 17:41.52 | Szeraax | i have the radar one which with root will ping network and disply live network |
| 17:41.54 | stew | timmy06: did you successfully run "aptitude update " and "aptitude upgrade" since updating your sources.list? |
| 17:41.59 | CharminTheMoose | in apache2 in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default how do I set the server name? |
| 17:42.02 | keith80403 | valdyn, Sorry, how do I "use the vesa driver?" |
| 17:42.02 | hark | aiglx errors are not fatal, though you can explicity turn it off |
| 17:42.07 | Azar | timmy06: ok : aptitude dist-upgrade then when you are done you gotta get the 2.6.18 kernel right away (same as you did with 2.6.8) |
| 17:42.08 | valdyn | !drxx keith80403 |
| 17:42.08 | dpkg | keith80403: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:42.14 | hark | in the ServerFlags section iirc |
| 17:42.15 | greeg | is etch stable yet? |
| 17:42.19 | greeg | whats taking so long. |
| 17:42.20 | xand | greeg: yes |
| 17:42.23 | hark | greeg: /topic |
| 17:42.24 | Azar | greeg: is out |
| 17:42.25 | xand | greeg: it was stable on sunday |
| 17:42.26 | jelly | valdyn, keith80403: why not just disable glx & dri modules? |
| 17:42.29 | greeg | well its about time. |
| 17:42.31 | xand | greeg: you're so slow. |
| 17:42.36 | valdyn | keith80403: maybe choosing 'radeon' when doing that drxx is better |
| 17:42.40 | greeg | i by now it's probobly out date. |
| 17:42.47 | valdyn | jelly: hmm |
| 17:42.47 | xand | cry |
| 17:42.48 | greeg | xand: Debian is slow (to update) |
| 17:42.56 | xand | you're slow to notice |
| 17:42.57 | valdyn | keith80403: jelly's idea is good, do that first |
| 17:42.57 | greeg | :P |
| 17:43.04 | PaSurf | do the apt sources list now support etch? |
| 17:43.05 | greeg | is debian outdated? |
| 17:43.06 | hark | keith80403: do you have an ati rage mach64 or something? |
| 17:43.14 | timmy06 | Azar: so i can just ignore all the kernel errors? |
| 17:43.15 | Szeraax | any ideas Xand? |
| 17:43.16 | Azar | PaSurf: yes use "etch" |
| 17:43.17 | hark | greeg: don't troll |
| 17:43.18 | xand | debian is fucking excellent |
| 17:43.34 | stew | PaSurf: they have for nearly 2 years now |
| 17:43.34 | keith80403 | valdyn, I'll try the radeon driver |
| 17:43.35 | xand | Szeraax: seems like a bad idea to me |
| 17:43.40 | greeg | why does debian take so long to become stable when other disros come out with a new realease more frequently |
| 17:43.42 | timmy06 | Azar: update and upgrade went ok... i can ignore the errors with 2.6.8 and just do a aptitude dist-upgrade now? |
| 17:43.42 | Azar | timmy06: did your system boot up after the kernel upgrade? |
| 17:43.44 | keith80403 | hark, I think so, let me check about ati rage........ |
| 17:43.44 | valdyn | keith80403: and/or disable dri |
| 17:43.46 | timmy06 | Azar: yes it did |
| 17:43.50 | stew | timmy06: no, i wouldn't ever remove the running kernel |
| 17:43.50 | xand | greeg: because debian is MORE stable. |
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| 17:43.57 | PaSurf | Azar: I was looking at using dotdeb but they still refer stable as sarge. |
| 17:44.04 | hark | radeon wouldn't work with that |
| 17:44.06 | Szeraax | of course it is, but it looks cool. and its a private comp with nothing worth stealing |
| 17:44.10 | Azar | timmy06: yes because now yoru system looks at "etch" and "etch" does not run 2.6.8 |
| 17:44.16 | PaSurf | just making sure... |
| 17:44.18 | timmy06 | Azar: ok |
| 17:44.19 | Szeraax | except for about 100 MB of music |
| 17:44.20 | busfahrer | Whats a good way to split a binary file in two pieces? |
| 17:44.20 | valdyn | greeg: other distros release on a set date, debian releases when it is ready |
| 17:44.28 | xand | busfahrer: split. |
| 17:44.31 | greeg | ok |
| 17:45.13 | keith80403 | hark, I ran X -configure, (to probe the hardware) and in the /root/xorg.conf.new it says ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP |
| 17:45.15 | busfahrer | xand: it says something about 'lines' in the man page, can it handle binary files? |
| 17:45.26 | xand | busfahrer: yes it can |
| 17:45.27 | keith80403 | valdyn, OK I'll figure out how to disable dri.... |
| 17:45.30 | busfahrer | xand: cheers |
| 17:45.31 | valdyn | greeg: maybe you want to compare debians release schedule to rhel, not ubuntu, as debian really is designed for the same requirements as rhel , not ubuntu |
| 17:45.36 | xand | busfahrer: and you use cat to join them back together |
| 17:45.37 | valdyn | keith80403: drxx does that too |
| 17:46.04 | stew | timmy06: don't let it remove your running kernel, no matter what. i would NOT recommend running dist-upgrade at this point |
| 17:46.12 | Azar | timmy06: aptitude dist-upgrade, then when done apt-cache search linux-image (look for 2.6.18 that applies to your cpu - 686) then aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18...x.x.xxxx |
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| 17:46.17 | keith80403 | valdyn, OK, will try this in a bit and let you guys know what happens. |
| 17:46.48 | Azar | timmy06: go by what stew said.. disregard my note |
| 17:46.53 | stew | timmy06: Azar is telling you to run dist-upgrade which is specifically recommended against in the release notes. I think you should try following the procedure in the release notes first |
| 17:46.55 | valdyn | i've had broken modules loaded for ages in X, that never broke a thing, maybe DRI is different, god knows |
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| 17:47.05 | jelly | keith80403: jsut comment out lines with dri and glx in xorg.conf section "Module" |
| 17:47.10 | Azar | stew: he is not able to read the release notes |
| 17:47.20 | stew | Azar: he should not upgrade then |
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| 17:47.32 | twobitsprite | do I need to install any packages to get alsa to work with nvidia audio? |
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| 17:48.28 | the_mule42 | what happened with glxgears in testing? it doesn't show fps :( |
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| 17:48.35 | valdyn | !glxgears |
| 17:48.36 | dpkg | i heard glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 17:48.41 | Azar | Debug shell during boot using initrd, Review actions pending in package manager, Checking packages status << and more, he will not know to do all that |
| 17:48.45 | hark | the_mule42: or -printfps |
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| 17:49.01 | the_mule42 | thanks |
| 17:49.07 | Azar | timmy06: change your sources.list back to "sarge" and stay with it |
| 17:49.53 | timmy06 | it's too late, im already downloading the packages... im 50% done |
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| 17:50.05 | xand | you can still ctrl-c |
| 17:50.08 | stew | timmy06: what command did you run? |
| 17:50.11 | xand | they don't get installed until after |
| 17:50.17 | timmy06 | aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 17:50.22 | timmy06 | ok, i hit ctrl-c |
| 17:50.24 | stew | timmy06: why are you unable to read the release notes? |
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| 17:50.37 | timmy06 | stew: im confused about what to do with the broken kernel image |
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| 17:50.47 | Alex84 | hello I have problem with my new debian 4.0 I installed every thinks by network and I didn't have problem during the installation, |
| 17:50.47 | SDBolts21n56 | Beside security there is no reason why to use X over SSH , then XDMCP |
| 17:50.50 | xxl3w | i looked up my specs for my monitor online and entered the frequencies in my xorg.conf |
| 17:50.54 | timmy06 | stew: before i upgrade to etch, i would like to fix my sarge |
| 17:50.59 | xxl3w | ell, i was still having the "dim" issue, and also i noticed in gnome, the screen resolution had more modes IE: 1440 x 1440, etc than were in xorg.conf |
| 17:51.02 | stew | timmy06: what is wrong with your sarge? |
| 17:51.10 | xxl3w | does gnome pull the resolutions from somewhere else? |
| 17:51.13 | Alex84 | only that he couldn't update the security pack |
| 17:51.19 | timmy06 | stew: anytime i try to do an apt-get install package, it says something about the kernel-image package being broken and it fails |
| 17:51.29 | xxl3w | and why is my monitor still dim and nasty after i manually configured xorg.conf? |
| 17:51.30 | wad | Hi, guys! I just set up my VERY FIRST debian desktop system. (Yes, Etch!) I've got several servers running, but nothing with a GUI. The screen resolution is 800x600. I found where on the desktop (gnome) to change the resolution, and the only other option is 640x480. I'm pretty sure my video card supports 1024x768. What do I do next? |
| 17:51.32 | Azar | stew: before coming here his sources were pointing at "unstable" , god knows if he did update/upgrade during that. |
| 17:51.36 | Alex84 | now I finish to install and even if it is connect to my router and ping google.com |
| 17:51.50 | stew | timmy06: becuase you are trying to follow an incorrect procedure for upgrading to etch. if you follow the correct procedure, i don't think that will happen |
| 17:51.57 | stew | timmy06: why can't you read the release notes? |
| 17:52.05 | Alex84 | doesn't go to the web I can't sea any web page |
| 17:52.08 | Alex84 | what I can do ?? |
| 17:52.12 | mfrisch | wad: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 17:52.20 | wad | Alex84: Are you using lynx? |
| 17:52.28 | Alex84 | my otgher client doesn't have problem ( on windows) |
| 17:52.43 | Alex84 | at moment I writing here by my laptop with windows |
| 17:52.43 | timmy06 | stew: im talking about before upgrading to etch |
| 17:53.01 | greeg | how can i remove grub? |
| 17:53.01 | Alex84 | but next to me I have the computer with debian |
| 17:53.05 | timmy06 | stew: are you saying if i follow the release notes to upgrade to etch, it will fix the kernel-image problem im having with sarge? |
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| 17:53.36 | Alex84 | wad I'm using a firefox |
| 17:53.37 | xxl3w | i think debian hates ATI/me/HD |
| 17:53.42 | Azar | timmy06: before you came in here you had a Sarge 3.1 version installed with a 2.4.27 kernel, your sources pointing / unstable. Did you do any apt-get update / apt-get upgrade before? |
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| 17:53.53 | timmy06 | Azar: yes, definitely |
| 17:53.57 | Alex84 | but any thinks doesn't work even apt doesn't download nothingm |
| 17:53.57 | stew | definately not |
| 17:54.07 | keith80403 | valdyn, hark, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, no dri, no glx - still doesn't work, do you want pastebins of xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 17:54.08 | timmy06 | Azar: that's when things started breaking |
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| 17:54.23 | Azar | timmy06: ok understandeable. |
| 17:54.41 | Azar | timmy06: that means that you got several packages broken |
| 17:54.43 | stew | timmy06: point your sources back to sarge, run "aptitude update ; aptitude -f install" and show us the output |
| 17:54.44 | xxl3w | i think i should throw away my new LCD |
| 17:54.47 | xxl3w | and go back to my old CRT |
| 17:54.53 | xxl3w | DAMN THE NEW HD TECHNOLOGY |
| 17:55.02 | hark | keith80403: try one last time with the atimisc driver.. if not either try vesa or don't load dri |
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| 17:55.53 | Azar | timmy06: use a paster to paste all info for stew |
| 17:55.55 | Azar | !paster |
| 17:55.55 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:55.58 | xxl3w | i thought linux supported all mainstream hardware? |
| 17:56.14 | SDBolts21n56 | Beside security there is no reason why to use X over SSH , then to use XDMCP? |
| 17:56.15 | xxl3w | is viewsonic "exotic" hardware or something? |
| 17:56.16 | hark | (though i don't think it'll work too) |
| 17:56.29 | keith80403 | hark, OK will do thank you. |
| 17:57.20 | stew | xxl3w: linux does not support all mainstream hardware. i doubt that your viewsonic lcd would be considered exaotic. i'm quite sure linux supports it |
| 17:57.22 | rahul | xxl3w: LCDs do not need to be supported. |
| 17:57.37 | hark | radeon dosen't support that card anyway |
| 17:57.37 | xxl3w | well, it recognizes it |
| 17:57.41 | rahul | they're basically all the same |
| 17:57.49 | xxl3w | it just can't get the frequency right whne i try a HD resolution |
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| 17:57.53 | rahul | wtf |
| 17:58.01 | rahul | xxl3w: LCDs don't have frequencies |
| 17:58.08 | stew | xxl3w: try removing any hozi/vert refresh/sync rates from xorg.conf, they can likely be auto-detected |
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| 17:58.32 | xxl3w | i've already dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tried simple/medium/advanced |
| 17:58.39 | xxl3w | none worked.... |
| 17:58.40 | hark | even displaysize etc are auto detected now |
| 17:58.41 | keith80403 | hark, There are numerous options checked [*]extmod, etc. Shall I leave the defaults and then [*]atimisc and NOT dri ? |
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| 17:59.08 | xxl3w | what do LCDS have then? i could of swore it said vertical/horizontal frequencies |
| 17:59.19 | rahul | xxl3w: they don't refresh |
| 17:59.24 | rahul | they simply switch |
| 17:59.34 | xxl3w | ohh |
| 17:59.45 | xxl3w | so i should just remove the frequency from xorg.conf? |
| 17:59.45 | rahul | xxl3w: do you have some shitty analog LCD? |
| 17:59.57 | xxl3w | where does gnome pull the resolutions for Screen Resolution from? |
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| 18:00.11 | rahul | xxl3w: from the X server. |
| 18:00.12 | stew | xxl3w: if you don't specify them, your card will ask your monitor for the exact correct rates. if you specify there is a decent chance you won't be supplying the correct values |
| 18:00.43 | xxl3w | rahul; it has a DVI input, but i'm still using an analog |
| 18:00.43 | hark | keith80403: leave the defaults for now, later uncheck dri related stuff |
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| 18:00.44 | rahul | xxl3w: use the DVI input. it's simpler and will give a FAR cleaner picture. |
| 18:00.44 | siachris | I'm new to linux, and just got debian etch. |
| 18:00.44 | keith80403 | hark, OK. |
| 18:00.44 | xxl3w | haha. |
| 18:00.55 | xxl3w | linux and workarounds.. |
| 18:00.56 | siachris | is there a way to increase the brightness of my screen? |
| 18:01.00 | rahul | "workarounds"? |
| 18:01.02 | timmy06 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6041 |
| 18:01.03 | jimbalaya | If I want a user to be automatically logged in, and an application started (mythtv, in this case) - would I use xdm with an automatic login & set fluxbox to start the app? |
| 18:01.11 | xxl3w | go together like food coloring and sugar |
| 18:01.13 | rahul | xxl3w: you CAN use the analog port, but you'd be retarded to do that |
| 18:01.13 | Azar | timmy06: ok |
| 18:01.19 | xxl3w | why? |
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| 18:01.23 | xxl3w | it looks exactly the same |
| 18:01.28 | rahul | xxl3w: hahahahah |
| 18:01.31 | rahul | xxl3w: you are a tool. |
| 18:01.37 | jpoon | hey guys....I'm running into a bit of a problem |
| 18:01.44 | rahul | xxl3w: now go to #plan9 and bother them |
| 18:01.45 | jpoon | for some reason my root directory says I'm out of space |
| 18:01.59 | xxl3w | i've read many reviews/articles on DVI and analaog |
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| 18:02.07 | xxl3w | analog, and they say it's not that big of a difference |
| 18:02.10 | timmy06 | jpoon: what does df -h say |
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| 18:02.14 | jpoon | but when I do a df, I get 1-blocks/9611492 Used/9224060 Available/0 100% / |
| 18:02.17 | rahul | xxl3w: uh, if you have an expensive cable |
| 18:02.19 | stew | timmy06: now repeat the same exact procedure again: "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" |
| 18:02.23 | timmy06 | stew: ok |
| 18:02.25 | timmy06 | stew: let me try |
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| 18:02.30 | rahul | xxl3w: I've only ever seen a HUGE difference. I've used dozens of LCDs. |
| 18:02.33 | xxl3w | i wouldn't buy an expensive cable. the display looks great through analog |
| 18:02.37 | stew | timmy06: no |
| 18:02.38 | jpoon | timmy06, so it seems like I have free blocks |
| 18:02.41 | rahul | xxl3w: you don't know what great looks like |
| 18:02.47 | xxl3w | apparently not |
| 18:02.47 | stew | timmy06: sorry, "aptitude -f install" not aptitude upgrade |
| 18:02.58 | rahul | kids these days. they think they know everything because they read some moron's blog. |
| 18:03.13 | xxl3w | haha. |
| 18:03.17 | xxl3w | yea, freaking kids |
| 18:03.25 | xxl3w | i don't think it was a blog |
| 18:03.34 | wad | So I reconfigured xorg, but I still only get 800x600 and 640x480 resolutions available from gnome. And yes, the 1024x768 mode was checked by default in the reconfigure menu. Is gnome somehow confused? |
| 18:03.54 | timmy06 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6042 |
| 18:03.55 | siachris | hello? |
| 18:03.59 | rahul | xxl3w: if you have a 60Hz vert refresh, it will "work" on the analog port. |
| 18:04.07 | rahul | xxl3w: but you'd still be a moron. |
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| 18:04.40 | xxl3w | haha |
| 18:04.40 | stew | timmy06: what happens when you run "aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686" |
| 18:04.51 | xxl3w | the only option on 1440 x 900 is 60hz |
| 18:04.56 | xxl3w | that's the funny thing about it. |
| 18:05.04 | jpoon | anyone here have an idea? |
| 18:05.04 | rahul | exactly, because it's only used on LCDs. |
| 18:05.19 | keith80403 | hark, SUCCESS. I chose simple monitor - the refresh may have been too high. I'm going to try WITH dri and WITH glx as a test - thanks for your help. |
| 18:05.25 | keith80403 | valdyn, SUCCESS. I chose simple monitor - the refresh may have been too high. I'm going to try WITH dri and WITH glx as a test - thanks for your help. |
| 18:05.26 | xxl3w | hmm, ok |
| 18:05.32 | xxl3w | well, it should work then. |
| 18:05.39 | rahul | sure, it does work. |
| 18:05.52 | timmy06 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 18:06.05 | Azar | timmy06: submit it first |
| 18:06.08 | timmy06 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6043 |
| 18:06.31 | xxl3w | ok |
| 18:06.39 | hark | keith80403: nice, go back to your old driver then |
| 18:06.45 | xxl3w | now, do you know where gnome pulls the resolutions under Screen Resolution? |
| 18:06.52 | stew | timmy06: you no longer have any broken packages; if you now run "aptitude -f install" it should no longer be trying to fix packages (-f means "fix stuff") |
| 18:06.55 | rahul | xxl3w: it asks the X server, I guess |
| 18:07.02 | xxl3w | hmm |
| 18:07.16 | xxl3w | i removed all the resolutions from my xorg.conf except 3 |
| 18:07.21 | xxl3w | and i'm still getting like 10 |
| 18:07.25 | Azar | !beer stew |
| 18:07.31 | hark | remove all |
| 18:07.35 | keith80403 | hark, Yep, will do, I'll let you know what I find out since I consider this old box a "test case." |
| 18:07.37 | rahul | xxl3w: don't use gnome shit to figure out anything real. |
| 18:07.38 | stew | oooh that's a new one |
| 18:07.41 | SDBolts21n56 | Beside security there is no reason why to use X over SSH , then to use XDMCP? |
| 18:07.46 | timmy06 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6044 |
| 18:07.49 | stew | SDBolts21n56: probably not |
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| 18:08.02 | rahul | my regular beer at that bar |
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| 18:08.23 | valdyn | xxl3w: resolutions? modelines? |
| 18:08.23 | tarzeau | anyone play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net/ with me please? |
| 18:08.35 | Azar | :) addicted tarzeau |
| 18:08.44 | SDBolts21n56 | stew, thanks what do you use? |
| 18:08.46 | timmy06 | stew: now i can go through the release notes to upgrade to etch, rgith? |
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| 18:08.51 | stew | SDBolts21n56: ssh |
| 18:08.51 | siachris | Can anyone tell me how to brighten up my screen? I have Etch |
| 18:08.57 | stew | timmy06: yes |
| 18:09.02 | tarzeau | Azar: can't help it |
| 18:09.08 | timmy06 | stew: thanks!! |
| 18:09.09 | rahul | siachris: use the brightness control on the monitor |
| 18:09.11 | timmy06 | Azar: thanks!! |
| 18:09.18 | tarzeau | 9 slots free :) |
| 18:09.20 | Azar | timmy06: switch from "sarge" to "etch" on sources.list |
| 18:09.22 | stew | timmy06: starting with 4.4 |
| 18:09.26 | siachris | It's all the way up |
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| 18:09.38 | rahul | siachris: get a better monitor. |
| 18:09.44 | siachris | I use adobe's gamma on my XP machine to make it brighter |
| 18:09.46 | rahul | siachris: #hardware can help with that |
| 18:09.50 | rahul | eew |
| 18:09.53 | siachris | thanks |
| 18:09.57 | rahul | siachris: what kind of monitor is this? |
| 18:10.01 | valdyn | siachris: which X driver are you using? |
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| 18:10.27 | Azar | stew: thanks for the lesson, I never knew about aptitude -f.. |
| 18:11.01 | siachris | It doesn't say on it. It's just an older monitor. I bought it in 2002 |
| 18:11.14 | valdyn | siachris: if its not 'nvidia': man xorg.conf, search for 'Gamma' |
| 18:11.36 | siachris | I tried xgamma but nothing seemed to happen. |
| 18:11.47 | rahul | siachris: a CRT? |
| 18:11.53 | rahul | siachris: those can fade with time |
| 18:12.00 | siachris | I'm just trying to learn linux, so I don't know anything yet. |
| 18:12.08 | siachris | yea, I'm sure that's it. |
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| 18:12.32 | siachris | I just was hoping that if my XP machine could compensate for it, that a linux system would be able to as well. |
| 18:12.59 | valdyn | siachris: its a hack on that xp machine too, it will reduce the number of colors available |
| 18:13.06 | stew | Azar: apt-get also has it, works (at least) with "install" and "dist-upgrade" |
| 18:13.20 | siachris | Yea, that didn't seem to bother me much. |
| 18:13.30 | siachris | I don't game, or do any graphics on this machine. |
| 18:13.38 | valdyn | siachris: so which driver are you using? |
| 18:13.46 | Azar | stew: thats so cool -f during install or dist-upgrade.. cuts time in cleaning pre-install |
| 18:13.48 | siachris | I don't even know. |
| 18:14.01 | valdyn | siachris: and try 'Gamma' as i said... |
| 18:14.19 | tarzeau | does netgear wpn111 work with debian? |
| 18:14.20 | stew | Azar: think of it as "while you're at it, fix broken packages" |
| 18:14.25 | siachris | Sorry. Like I said, I'm a newbie to this linux stuff. I just have to be able to read text to learn it though. |
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| 18:14.40 | Azar | stew: for some reason I allways thought of -f as (force) |
| 18:14.45 | valdyn | siachris: man xorg.conf. then hit / , then enter 'gamma' |
| 18:14.49 | tarzeau | do ndis drivers work on powerpc? |
| 18:14.52 | siachris | this is what I typed in, and it didn't seem to work: xgamma -gamma 2.0 |
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| 18:15.17 | valdyn | siachris: that's ok, im not telling you to use xgamma |
| 18:15.17 | Azar | time to re-read the aptitude README file.. |
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| 18:15.37 | siachris | I'm trying to that now. |
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| 18:15.52 | stew | Azar: or /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html from aptitude-doc-en :) |
| 18:16.02 | siachris | reading now |
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| 18:16.12 | Azar | stew :) cool |
| 18:16.51 | valdyn | siachris: and you still didnt tell us which X driver you were using |
| 18:17.02 | siachris | I don't know |
| 18:17.13 | Azar | timmy06: don't forget to immediately install 2.6.18 kernel after dist-upgrade. |
| 18:17.14 | siachris | How can I find that out? |
| 18:17.23 | siachris | you mean gnome? |
| 18:17.24 | valdyn | siachris: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:17.44 | siachris | Trident |
| 18:17.49 | valdyn | siachris: that should print a few lines, on of those is your gfx driver ( keyboard and mouse obviously are not ) |
| 18:18.07 | timmy06 | Azar: okay i will do that |
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| 18:18.12 | valdyn | ah, that's a rarely used in , i guess |
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| 18:18.46 | siachris | The three that I got were kbd mouse and trident |
| 18:18.58 | valdyn | siachris: aye, trident is your X driver |
| 18:19.23 | valdyn | siachris: now you can try using vesa instead and see if xgamma works, and/or try the gamme value as explained in the xorg.conf manpage |
| 18:19.58 | siachris | how do I change it? |
| 18:20.07 | valdyn | !drxx siachris |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | siachris: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 18:21.33 | siachris | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.42 | siachris | not installed it said |
| 18:21.54 | wols_ | siachris: you are using xorg |
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| 18:22.54 | nn-main | what device node is the parrellel port on |
| 18:23.19 | stew | nn-main: in knoppix or ubuntu? |
| 18:23.28 | nn-main | debian |
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| 18:23.42 | xxl3w | i'm trying to edit grub's menu.lst, to start winXP if there's a 5 second delay |
| 18:23.47 | stew | nn-main: /dev/lp* |
| 18:23.51 | aarkerio | hi! Can i install debian from USB Pen drive ? |
| 18:23.55 | xxl3w | i put in the number of the one to load, but it's not working |
| 18:24.00 | nn-main | its not showing up?? |
| 18:24.01 | stew | aarkerio: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 18:24.10 | keith80403 | hark, Post-Mortem - re-ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, enabled dri and enabled glx, no problems - looks like the refresh rates were too high for the monitor. |
| 18:24.13 | aarkerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.14 | xxl3w | if i only have debian/XP installed, it should load XP if i set it to "4", right? |
| 18:24.15 | stew | nn-main: what does "uname -r" say? do you have udev installed? |
| 18:24.17 | keith80403 | valdyn, Post-Mortem - re-ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, enabled dri and enabled glx, no problems - looks like the refresh rates were too high for the monitor. |
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| 18:25.25 | timmy06 | Azar: i did apt-cache search kernel-image and 2.6.18 was not listed. |
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| 18:25.49 | nn-main | 2.6.8-4-686 |
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| 18:26.34 | stew | nn-main: do you ahve udev installed? if so, which version? |
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| 18:27.04 | Azar | timmy06: use "linux-image" it changed in Etch :) |
| 18:27.09 | manience | What could the especial reason for, that my freh debian install is booting _very_ slowly? it slows down right after mounting the disk and cd drive. btw: i installed debian testing netinstall |
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| 18:27.11 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
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| 18:27.25 | timmy06 | Azar: oooooh....... |
| 18:27.48 | nn-firedragon | stew i am now on the actuall computer that is having the trubble |
| 18:28.05 | nn-firedragon | stew how would i find that out |
| 18:28.06 | Azar | manience: it could be that now Etch is "stable" netinstall? |
| 18:28.10 | stew | nn-firedragon: find what out? |
| 18:28.20 | nn-firedragon | udev version |
| 18:28.27 | stew | nn-firedragon: oh, what does "apt-cache policy udev" say for "Installed:" |
| 18:28.33 | stew | nn-firedragon: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:28.44 | manience | Azar: Argh, this could be a reason for a slow booting? |
| 18:28.54 | nn-firedragon | 0.105-3 |
| 18:28.56 | Azar | manience: really don't know, just an opinion.. |
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| 18:29.18 | stew | nn-firedragon: that udev won't work for your kernel, what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:29.23 | rysiek|pl | I am trying to set-up freeradius WITH eap_tls on debian etch, to no avail. the repo version does not have eap_tls (licensing problems, it depends on openssl), and the new 1.1.5 version from freeradius' website, well, has some problems I can't overcome during make install. |
| 18:29.33 | lepine | hey guys, im having a problem with etch on vmware |
| 18:29.34 | rysiek|pl | I have an idea, though: |
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| 18:30.03 | nn-firedragon | ??? version ,, you mean distro?? ,, Testing i think |
| 18:30.03 | lepine | i dont think it's etch specific ... but it's odd. I did a base install, and then copied it to a new machine. the new machine does NOT have eth0 |
| 18:30.21 | lepine | trying ifup, or ifconfig gives me a invalid flag error |
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| 18:30.26 | rysiek|pl | if I download the deb-src package of freeradius from the repo - it *should* compile and install nicely, and I *could* modify the scripts to compile it *with* eap_tls, right? |
| 18:30.33 | lepine | lspci DOES list an ethernet controller though |
| 18:31.04 | lepine | ERROR while getting interface flags, no such devince |
| 18:31.04 | wols_ | lepine: does the new machine have udev? |
| 18:31.04 | JKnife | anyone know of a guide to set up apache2 with php? |
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| 18:31.46 | manience | I'm very confused. I installed exactly the same one in virtualbox and it runs very fine, starts fast as i know it. But suddenly install debian testing netinstall on my new Vaio and it boots up so slowly... *very confused* |
| 18:31.46 | wols_ | JKnife: apt-cache search apache2 php5 |
| 18:31.46 | wols_ | JKnife: install that |
| 18:31.47 | JKnife | done |
| 18:31.50 | JKnife | (well php4) |
| 18:31.58 | wols_ | there is php4 in etch? |
| 18:32.03 | JKnife | yes |
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| 18:32.07 | lepine | how can i tell? and note that the base machine is up and running and there is eth0 |
| 18:32.09 | wols_ | why use it? |
| 18:32.11 | lepine | and it's working |
| 18:32.15 | nn-firedragon | stew, what do you mean ??? version or do you mean distro?? ,, Testing i think |
| 18:32.23 | wols_ | lepine: ps aux |grep udev |
| 18:32.28 | JKnife | because the last distro i used had php5 and it didn't like my site |
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| 18:32.33 | hark | keith80403: ah, what driver did you select btw? |
| 18:32.43 | lepine | wols_: make it a yes then |
| 18:32.49 | JKnife | but another distro that used php4 it worked just fine =\ |
| 18:33.01 | wols_ | JKnife: fix your site. sooner or later there is no php4 anymore |
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| 18:34.13 | JKnife | wols_, that is just it.. it is BASIC php |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | wols_: not everything works with php4 .. |
| 18:34.49 | wols_ | abrotman: php "doesn't work" by definition |
| 18:34.55 | wols_ | people still insist on using it |
| 18:35.13 | tarzeau | Azar: btw know ri-li ? |
| 18:35.29 | lepine | is therea way i can give udev a vulcan pinch or something? |
| 18:35.29 | Azar | tarzeau: no? is a new game? |
| 18:35.34 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah pretty fun! |
| 18:35.40 | lepine | there is no logical reason why eth0 shouldn't work |
| 18:35.41 | wols_ | lepine: writing scripts IIRC |
| 18:35.45 | wols_ | but this can be tricky |
| 18:35.47 | Azar | wow, gonna check it out , thanks tarzeau! |
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| 18:36.59 | lepine | wols_ also note that i've have copied machines before ... and its the first time i have such a problem ... it's the first time i try with debian though ... ubuntu did not give that kind of problem |
| 18:37.07 | lepine | and i've tried copying it more than once. |
| 18:37.52 | wols_ | lepine: just edit your interfaces |
| 18:38.01 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.08 | abrotman | wols_: that's not true |
| 18:38.13 | manience | What could the especial reason for, that my freh debian install is booting _very_ slowly? it slows down right after mounting the disk and cd drive. btw: i installed debian testing netinstall. Could this a problem of the kernel? |
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| 18:38.42 | abrotman | manience: etch was released .. is that the installer you used ? |
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| 18:38.54 | not_benh | how would one remap capslock -> crlt and then swap alt & crtl like a mac? |
| 18:39.17 | not_benh | and is that something that I can just do at the OS level or would I also need to remap things in X as well? |
| 18:39.19 | mfrisch | !keymap |
| 18:39.19 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 18:39.26 | lepine | wols_ there isn't anything particularly interesting ... i do see eth0 in there ... allow-hotplug ... then make it DHCP |
| 18:39.30 | Fuwex | I need a network driver for my Dell PowerEdge SC420 but I'm not sure what the network card is (nor where to get the driver but suppose it's nice to know what the card is first) - do I have to open the cabinet and take a look or is there another way? |
| 18:39.34 | manience | abrotman: no. i really thought i downloaded only a testing one before of 3 weeks |
| 18:39.43 | not_benh | cool thanks mfrisch |
| 18:39.46 | wols_ | lepine: well, eth0 doesn't exist |
| 18:40.00 | mfrisch | not_a_k: there are config programs that help the process. |
| 18:40.10 | lepine | ah ha! eth1 is there! |
| 18:40.11 | nn-firedragon | um stew, You still here |
| 18:40.13 | stew | nn-firedragon: can you put the output of "uname -r ; apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 udev" into a pastebin? |
| 18:40.16 | lepine | is there a way i can rename that? |
| 18:40.22 | wols_ | ifrename |
| 18:40.39 | abrotman | !tell Fuwex about whats my hardware |
| 18:40.45 | stew | lepine: what does "apt-cache policy udev" say for "Installed:"? |
| 18:40.45 | MrWup | are there any e-mail systems which allow the boss to check all staff's emails before they are sent out? |
| 18:40.45 | wols_ | but afaik it's udev which fucks up the naming in the first place |
| 18:40.47 | Fuwex | thanks :) |
| 18:41.06 | nn-firedragon | um stew i installed the newer version of udev no luck |
| 18:41.07 | loca|host | why there's no libapache2-mod-security package on debian etch ? |
| 18:41.08 | lepine | which package provides that? iface nor ifrename seem to be available |
| 18:41.43 | mfrisch | MrWup: tons some archive it before its sent |
| 18:41.43 | stew | nn-firedragon: why did you do that? |
| 18:41.44 | nn-firedragon | same problem |
| 18:41.44 | stew | nn-firedragon: can you put the output of "uname -r ; apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 udev" into a pastebin? |
| 18:41.44 | wols_ | !tell lepine about search |
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| 18:41.44 | lepine | thanks |
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| 18:41.44 | wols_ | !tell loca|host about search |
| 18:41.44 | stew | lepine: you probably don't need ifrename |
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| 18:41.47 | wols_ | loca|host: look for the file(s) it should provide |
| 18:41.50 | MrWup | mfrisch, know any groupware systems which actually install on Etch? |
| 18:41.54 | manience | abrotman: do think, this is my problem? |
| 18:41.57 | lepine | stew, please explain yourself |
| 18:42.00 | loca|host | ok wols_ |
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| 18:42.08 | nn-firedragon | stew you know there is a channel called #flood i would rather use that |
| 18:42.19 | stew | lepine: if you have udev > .090 then udev is renaming your interfaces, and you can just edit its config file |
| 18:42.38 | haggz | manience: if I'm reading rcS.d correctly, it looks like hardware discovery, setting up udev, and getting the network up are what the system does after mounting filesystems, so I'd start troubleshooting by investigating how your hardware is seen by the kernel |
| 18:42.48 | mfrisch | MrWup: usually people get each part seperate and build one...what do you want to add calendar and common space? |
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| 18:43.30 | stew | nn-firedragon: i'm in flood. a pastebin is better since anyone in the channel could then see it, but whatver, flood away |
| 18:43.36 | stew | #flood rather |
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| 18:43.57 | manience | haggz: So i believe this is a kernel problem? |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | manience: could be .. on idea .. you'd have to rtry the correct installer |
| 18:44.22 | MrWup | mfrisch, oh i didn't know that could easily be done. would it be possible to put together a couple of servers... like an IMAP server and a calendar server on linux which can both be accessed from windows xp clients through outlook? |
| 18:44.22 | manience | abrotman: thx |
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| 18:45.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:45.15 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 18:45.20 | nn-firedragon | there |
| 18:45.22 | nn-firedragon | the information |
| 18:45.22 | stew | nn-firedragon: you can get rid of non-us, it doesn't exist anymore |
| 18:45.31 | mfrisch | MrWup: never done it but there are a lot of good cgi (usually php) that will run on linux that connects things up. on outlook I don't know. |
| 18:45.33 | stew | nn-firedragon: you can probably get rid of stable, since you are running testing |
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| 18:45.43 | nn-firedragon | ok |
| 18:45.46 | stew | nn-firedragon: modprobe parport ; modprobe lp |
| 18:45.53 | Azar | tarzeau: hahaahaa good one |
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| 18:46.29 | haggz | manience: if the trouble persists, one thing you might try is editing /etc/discover.conf to disable some of the hardware scans and seeing if that affects anything. There's a comment to the effect in the file that some of the scans are slow on some hardware. |
| 18:46.57 | manience | haggz: ok, thanks |
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| 18:47.14 | nn-firedragon | good that fixed it stew ;;; but now err= nn@firedragon:~$ scanimage -d umax1220:/dev/lp0 |
| 18:47.15 | nn-firedragon | scanimage: open of device umax1220:/dev/lp0 failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:47.32 | mfrisch | MrWup: for instance people use WebDAV for a calender system. |
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| 18:48.34 | stew | nn-firedragon: add yourself to the lp group, logout, log back in |
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| 18:48.59 | nn-firedragon | how do i add myself to a grupe |
| 18:49.09 | tarzeau | nn-firedragon: adduser yourself grupe |
| 18:49.10 | mfrisch | adduser user lp |
| 18:49.11 | draeath | Alsa has DMIX working - is there a way to make esound STOP locking /dev/dsp? |
| 18:49.12 | stew | nn-firedragon: adduser username groupname |
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| 18:49.21 | nn-firedragon | ok |
| 18:49.34 | wols_ | draeath: stop using esound? |
| 18:49.53 | nn-firedragon | ok done |
| 18:49.55 | draeath | wols_, I'd like to have it running if some lame application wants to use it rather than alsa... |
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| 18:50.20 | nn-firedragon | now what's next to fixing the sane problem |
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| 18:50.49 | hark | !esd |
| 18:50.49 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 18:50.54 | xyz123 | Has anyone a solution to the following beryl autostart problem? I added a symlink to beryl and beryl-manager in .kde/Autostart/Starting KDE the beryl-manager icon showed up and there the current window manager was set to kwin and when i tried to start $beryl i got the response: a window manager is already running... |
| 18:51.03 | stew | nn-firedragon: what is the error you are getting? |
| 18:51.25 | draeath | Anyone know how to get pulseaudio working like a soundserver? |
| 18:51.29 | hark | xyz123: that'd be kwin |
| 18:51.30 | nn-firedragon | stew in #flood |
| 18:51.38 | nn-firedragon | pasted it |
| 18:51.42 | dserban | can i purge the discover1 package off my system? or is it still in use? |
| 18:51.44 | stew | nn-firedragon: does "groups" now list "lp" ? |
| 18:51.49 | tarzeau | draeath: maybe #pulseaudio ? |
| 18:51.58 | xyz123 | hark - so how do i work around this? |
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| 18:52.10 | nn-firedragon | no |
| 18:52.17 | stew | 13:48 < stew> nn-firedragon: add yourself to the lp group, logout, log back in |
| 18:52.30 | tarzeau | stew: or use newgrp |
| 18:52.31 | nn-firedragon | ok |
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| 18:52.36 | tarzeau | nn-firedragon: a logout isn't necessary |
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| 18:52.52 | Supaplex | it's usually eaiser though :) |
| 18:52.54 | stew | tarzeau: that will create all his files with the wrong group ownership, however, but yeah |
| 18:53.02 | Supaplex | unless you have lots of crap running. |
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| 18:53.49 | nn-firedragon | ok done |
| 18:53.52 | stew | nn-firedragon: does "groups" now list "lp" ? |
| 18:54.10 | hark | xyz123: try #beryl maybe? also see if beryl --replace works |
| 18:54.13 | Fuwex | How can I make a boot floppy? |
| 18:54.15 | lepine | basically, one can assume that because the MAC address on the NEW VM wasn't the same as the old one, it did not name it eth0 in fear of overwriting the previous config |
| 18:54.18 | Fuwex | sorry, driver floppy |
| 18:54.36 | tarzeau | Fuwex: you're serious, right? |
| 18:54.41 | nn-firedragon | yes |
| 18:54.45 | Fuwex | Yeah ... |
| 18:54.48 | nn-firedragon | stew yes |
| 18:54.53 | Fuwex | I've got the driver but I've got no idea what to do with it ;> |
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| 18:55.37 | nn-firedragon | still same error stew |
| 18:55.44 | loca|host | wols_, there's no libapache2-mod-security package on debian etch |
| 18:56.02 | tarzeau | floppies are death resistant |
| 18:56.02 | wols_ | loca|host: I told you to look for the file (the shared lib). not the package |
| 18:56.06 | Fuwex | !tell Fuwex about driver floppy |
| 18:56.07 | nn-firedragon | how do i use the -d option for scanimage |
| 18:56.13 | Fuwex | hmm |
| 18:56.13 | wols_ | it's probably rolled into some base package |
| 18:56.29 | loca|host | wols_, no way, use apt-file |
| 18:56.33 | wols_ | Fuwex: i've never ever seen a driver floppy used with linux |
| 18:56.37 | nn-firedragon | scanimage -d umax1220:/dev/lp0 is not working stew |
| 18:57.00 | nn-firedragon | how do i use the -d option for scanimage stew |
| 18:57.09 | mfrisch | wols_: I've updated bios with it through linux does that count? |
| 18:57.10 | stew | nn-firedragon: i don't know. i've never heard of scanimage before |
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| 18:57.38 | nn-firedragon | comand promt backend for sane |
| 18:57.54 | wols_ | mfrisch: there is a flashwriter program for linux? |
| 18:58.05 | mfrisch | dosbox? |
| 18:58.11 | nn-firedragon | package sane-utils stew |
| 18:58.12 | tarzeau | wols_: yes flashrom |
| 18:58.28 | wols_ | mfrisch: and why did you need a driver floppy for that? |
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| 18:58.50 | stew | nn-firedragon: i don't know anything about scanimage other than it is a 'comand promt backend for sane' from the sane-utils pacakge |
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| 18:59.23 | mfrisch | wols_: it was a floppy image..don't need it I guess. the image was probaly somewhere on the disk. |
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| 19:00.52 | HellTiger | http://droelf.org/index.php/halluzination/ |
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| 19:01.32 | loca|host | wols_, is it possible that there were no such packages on the etch ? |
| 19:01.46 | hark | !spamsmite HellTiger |
| 19:01.57 | mfrisch | HellTiger: go away with that crap! |
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| 19:02.13 | loca|host | wols_, should i use other sources than this : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 19:02.15 | wols_ | loca|host: cretainly not a package but only a file. but possible yes |
| 19:02.23 | xingu | well roger me silly, is that a new libc6 in sid? |
| 19:02.24 | wols_ | no that should be fine |
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| 19:02.46 | wols_ | xingu: yay libc6 breakage for people who mix etch, lenny and sid again? |
| 19:03.01 | wols_ | old time come back |
| 19:03.23 | filleokus | where do one define the DirectoryIndex in apache2 |
| 19:03.33 | filleokus | i cant seem to find it in apache2.conf |
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| 19:04.07 | xingu | wols_: glibc2.5; I'm wondering if I really want to be a pioneer or not... :) |
| 19:04.28 | wols_ | xingu: come on. you know you want to... |
| 19:04.46 | hark | !info libc6 |
| 19:04.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 19:05.19 | xingu | Get: 1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main libc6 2.5-1 [4878kB] |
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| 19:05.34 | hark | heh |
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| 19:05.46 | hark | xingu: let us know how it goes ;) |
| 19:05.55 | stew | crap, i know i should have upgraded my desktop yesterday :) |
| 19:05.58 | xingu | NO CARRIER |
| 19:06.03 | stew | ^know^knew |
| 19:06.04 | xingu | *boop* *boop* *boop* |
| 19:06.52 | hark | it's been in experimental for quite a while now |
| 19:07.06 | hark | we skipped 2.4 ;) |
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| 19:08.15 | xingu | ok, well reboot time |
| 19:09.00 | outlaw84_ | how do you set apt-get to run in english, there was something you could typ before the aptget command but I cant remember what is was |
| 19:09.15 | hark | LANG=C |
| 19:09.16 | tarzeau | outlaw84_: unset LANG ? |
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| 19:14.15 | xingu | so far so good; no segfaults, always promising. |
| 19:14.25 | outlaw84_ | http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/apt.1 <-- any suggestions to this? http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/apt.2 <-- I tryed to remove gtk-qt-engine but got new packages that apt was having problems with |
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| 19:16.49 | cello_rasp | where can I obtain woody cds? |
| 19:17.56 | tarzeau | cello_rasp: http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/debian-cd/2.2_r7/i386/ ? |
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| 19:18.17 | tarzeau | wait that was potato, try http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/debian-cd/3.0_r6/i386/ ? |
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| 19:18.25 | cello_rasp | nice. thanks. |
| 19:18.53 | mortal | how often does a catastrophical failure in upgrading appear on sid? like something which would render the system unbootable |
| 19:18.56 | Tuxedo | hi everyone |
| 19:18.57 | Tuxedo | here |
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| 19:19.21 | abrotman | mortal: 1/526 |
| 19:19.22 | outlaw84_ | mortal: I have never had the system no able to boot |
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| 19:19.34 | abrotman | mortal: it just happens sometimes .. what did oyu do? |
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| 19:20.08 | mortal | abrotman: well, I have a laptop which I would rather not like to find in such a condition |
| 19:20.17 | outlaw84_ | mortal: I have had X/KDE blasted, I have had apache2/php not working... but never unbootable |
| 19:20.23 | mortal | ok |
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| 19:20.43 | outlaw84_ | I have been runing debian unstable for like 2½ years |
| 19:21.00 | outlaw84_ | http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/apt.1 <-- any suggestions to this? http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/apt.2 <-- I tryed to remove gtk-qt-engine but got new packages that apt was having problems with |
| 19:21.01 | hark | mortal: then don't run sid? |
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| 19:21.04 | tarzeau | 6 years of sid here |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | mortal: then don't go to sid. . problem solved |
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| 19:22.56 | h3sp4wn | testing can also break (and if it does it takes longer for it to be fixed) |
| 19:22.57 | haggz | mortal: if you have a decent sized hard drive, why not add another bootable partition, and use it for a minimal install of stable? that way even if your sid partition gets hosed by an update you can still boot and be able to mount the partition to have access to data and be able to repair. |
| 19:22.58 | xingu | I don't think I've ever had a filesystem eaten, but I've had some rescue cd moments. |
| 19:23.14 | mortal | haggz: good idea |
| 19:23.22 | xingu | if you're not wanting to learn how to repair fubarred systems, don't run sid. :) |
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| 19:24.18 | xingu | if you know how to repair fubarred systems, then having one in front of you is only a challenge, not a showstopper and the question is irrelevant |
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| 19:25.47 | markybob | abrotman: what ended up happening with that petition thing? did you go to debconf? |
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| 19:26.37 | abrotman | markybob: no .. i would have had to teach someone how to od my job before i left :) |
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| 19:26.53 | abrotman | markybob: i shuld have just gone for a weekend .. would have made damog smile like a girl in a new pink dress |
| 19:27.19 | markybob | abrotman: yeah, it's a shame we dont have a picture of that ;) |
| 19:27.44 | damog | :) |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | there is the umbrella hat :) |
| 19:27.50 | abrotman | and the cakebutt |
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| 19:28.54 | mfrisch | abrotman: that's job security ;-) |
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| 19:30.06 | abrotman | mfrisch: that's a bad thing |
| 19:30.29 | MrWup | hey guys anyone managed to get egroupware to use ADS authentication properly? |
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| 19:30.36 | mfrisch | abrotman: most of the time yes it is. |
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| 19:30.53 | jordo23 | what's the command line to tell which version of debian a server is running? |
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| 19:31.19 | xingu | jordo23: cat /etc/debian_release ? |
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| 19:31.31 | xingu | s/release/version/ |
| 19:31.59 | abrotman | !version |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 19:32.18 | mfrisch | abrotman: but if all the bank vp's are jumping they will still be wanting you! |
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| 19:32.52 | abrotman | mfrisch: ah .. maybe |
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| 19:34.10 | jordo23 | Does debian have a sources.list generator available? |
| 19:34.19 | markybob | apt-setup ? |
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| 19:34.49 | stew | jordo23: apt-spy |
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| 19:36.14 | abrotman | markybob: no more |
| 19:36.35 | markybob | abrotman: really? huh |
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| 19:37.15 | mfrisch | markybob: not in etch |
| 19:37.18 | tarzeau | jordo23: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:39.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: why the fuck would you do that? |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | why would you give someone sid sources? |
| 19:39.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh i forgot the | sed afterwards |
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| 19:40.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's my personal generator |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | it sucks |
| 19:40.52 | sussudio | ok. why is mysql fucked. |
| 19:41.14 | haggz | !why |
| 19:41.14 | dpkg | Because! |
| 19:41.21 | sussudio | !fist haggz |
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| 19:43.24 | xand | mmm fisting. |
| 19:43.27 | xand | :P |
| 19:43.37 | sussudio | !bear xand |
| 19:43.42 | xingu | sussudio: it's a conscious design choice ;) |
| 19:43.44 | xand | o.O |
| 19:43.48 | mfrisch | MrWup: goto http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8214 |
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| 19:44.15 | priest | is there any "debian way" to install vmware server 1.x in etch? |
| 19:44.28 | xingu | !vmware |
| 19:44.28 | dpkg | vmware is, like, Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
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| 19:44.41 | asg | priest: run 'm-a' prepare and then follow the vmware destructions |
| 19:44.48 | jordo23 | I am trying to deinstall apache2 from my debian sarge machine. When I apt-get remove it says it's not installed, and when I apt-install it says it's already installed? Huh??? |
| 19:45.04 | mfrisch | vmware destructions ha ha |
| 19:45.04 | smacnay | Hi, I want to blacklist the loading of bttv, tveeprom, and others. I have followed the rules for blacklisting (adding a line in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as according to the "/msg dpkg blacklist" and "msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs". I think that some of these unwanted modules are loading because of i2c-core. Is it unwise to not load i2c-core on boot? |
| 19:45.49 | wols_ | jordo23: remove apache2-common |
| 19:46.18 | peterS | jordo23: there are several packages associated with apache2 - as wols_ notes, apache2-common is one, but you also will have apache2-mpm-[something] |
| 19:46.29 | jordo23 | wols_ : I think my sources.list is screwed up....what's the easiest way to get a new one for sarge, default, it's a LAMP server.... |
| 19:46.40 | peterS | jordo23: http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.sarge is an example |
| 19:46.46 | rysiek|pl | priest: use qemu |
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| 19:47.33 | sohmestra | priest: you could try virtualbox. they've got debs. |
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| 19:47.42 | mfrisch | priest: xen is good too. |
| 19:47.51 | MrWup | mfrish thanks |
| 19:48.00 | priest | what's wrong with vmware? except it's closed source |
| 19:48.07 | mfrisch | MrWup: thought that might help. |
| 19:48.09 | sohmestra | priest: exactly. |
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| 19:49.45 | robertodeby | hello speck italian? |
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| 19:49.49 | xand | !it |
| 19:49.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C' anche il canale #linux-it l. |
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| 19:50.00 | rysiek|pl | re |
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| 19:50.17 | robertodeby | what is lenny/sid? = testing? |
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| 19:50.23 | peterS | robertodeby: lenny is testing. sid is unstable. |
| 19:50.25 | xand | robertodeby: lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 19:50.28 | xand | snap! |
| 19:50.33 | xand | I win snap. |
| 19:50.41 | kekePower | kids |
| 19:50.44 | kekePower | :P |
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| 19:50.47 | xand | YES DAD? |
| 19:50.49 | robertodeby | cat /etc/debian_version = lenny/sid !! |
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| 19:50.52 | kekePower | *grin* |
| 19:51.05 | peterS | robertodeby: right, it will say that for both lenny and sid |
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| 19:51.24 | rysiek|pl | once more, what is the easiest way to get a deb's sources, tweak a wee bit the arguments for the ./configure script and then build the package? |
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| 19:52.06 | peterS | rysiek|pl: 'apt-get source' the package, then cd pkgname-version, then edit debian/rules, then 'debuild -b -us -uc'. (debuild is in the devscripts package) |
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| 19:52.12 | robertodeby | why this? |
| 19:52.15 | hron | rysiek|pl: apt-build |
| 19:52.43 | peterS | robertodeby: because trying to get that file to say different things for sid and lenny is too hard. packages are shared between sid and lenny, including the package that provides that file ('base-files') |
| 19:53.03 | rysiek|pl | ok, so what will it be, then? what's the difference between peterS' way and hron's? |
| 19:53.17 | asg | robertodeby: if it's that important, write a cron job to overwrite it every 15 minutes. |
| 19:53.48 | rysiek|pl | asg: I think an init script would suffice |
| 19:53.52 | peterS | rysiek|pl: my way lets you edit that configure line by hand, I don't think hron's way does, though I haven't tried it |
| 19:54.03 | robertodeby | but they are testing? |
| 19:54.10 | asg | rysiek|pl: not if he updates between reboots |
| 19:54.19 | robertodeby | I am testing? |
| 19:54.28 | peterS | robertodeby: if you want to know whether you have testing or unstable, look in /etc/apt/sources.list or type 'apt-cache policy libc6' |
| 19:54.29 | hron | peterS: it is possible in apt-build way too. |
| 19:54.29 | rysiek|pl | asg: ah, it depends what gets updated, doesn't it |
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| 19:55.04 | asg | rysiek|pl: indeed it does. |
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| 19:55.50 | robertodeby | my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:55.50 | robertodeby | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 19:55.50 | robertodeby | deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 19:55.50 | robertodeby | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 19:55.50 | robertodeby | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 19:56.08 | rysiek|pl | asg: well, whatever, he could write a wrapper for apt-get, mv /sbin/apt-get /sbin/apt-get.bin; vim /sbin apt-get, #!/bin/bash\napt-get $1 $2\necho 'sid' > /etc/debian_version :) |
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| 19:56.19 | gameman73 | meLanie[huh] = bot advertising porn (if no one knows, just in case) |
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| 19:56.36 | asg | rysiek|pl: I know, fruitless exercise in general on all accounts ;) |
| 19:56.46 | rysiek|pl | asg: aye :) |
| 19:56.46 | gameman73 | np peterS, just thought somone might want to know |
| 19:56.54 | peterS | yes, we kill them on sight |
| 19:57.05 | jordo23 | Got that working, how do you tell how many instances of apache are running.....or how do you tell the default directory being served..... |
| 19:57.08 | rysiek|pl | asg: the point is: there is *always* a way ;) |
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| 19:57.20 | asg | rysiek|pl: TIMTOWTDI |
| 19:57.23 | robertodeby | ?? |
| 19:57.28 | robertodeby | i'm italian |
| 19:57.33 | peterS | robertodeby: don't paste things in this channel, it will get you kicked out by our friendly bot |
| 19:57.46 | robertodeby | ok |
| 19:57.47 | asg | !timtowtdi |
| 19:57.47 | dpkg | from memory, timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
| 19:57.49 | rysiek|pl | ah, right :) |
| 19:58.06 | robertodeby | mi sourceslist is lenny testing |
| 19:58.29 | peterS | robertodeby: yes, since lenny is testing, right now you can use either name in sources.list and they do the same thing |
| 19:58.29 | gameman73 | i have an interesting problem, everytime i reboot my machine, i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers to get them working (no kernel changes AFAIK) |
| 19:58.30 | smacnay | Does the etch install actually use hotplug and discover? I see that hotplug is not installed while discover just has libdiscover1 and discover1-data installed. |
| 19:58.39 | robertodeby | what is lenny/sid?.... future testing? |
| 19:58.57 | dkr | smacnay: read the release notes, udev is used now, not hotplug |
| 19:58.58 | smacnay | So I need to modify /etc/discover.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to stop certain modules from loading? |
| 19:59.02 | peterS | smacnay: udev has replaced both hotplug and discover now. you can still install discover, I think, but if I'm not mistaken, it's not needed |
| 19:59.06 | rysiek|pl | robertodeby: lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 19:59.25 | haggz | gameman73: what method are you using for nvidia? packages or nvidia installer? |
| 19:59.33 | gameman73 | the nvidia installer |
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| 20:00.07 | smacnay | peterS: I have udev installed. My issue is that modifying /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and updating initramfs is not thwarting module loads. |
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| 20:00.16 | robertodeby | yes, my cat /etc/debian_version = lenny/sid!! why? is new? |
| 20:00.25 | haggz | gameman73: my guess is that you need to stop a different version of the nvidia drivers from being loaded during startup |
| 20:00.32 | peterS | robertodeby: we already answered this question |
| 20:00.46 | smacnay | peterS: I have followed the "etch" portion of the /msg dpkg blacklist and blacklist-initramfs commands in this channel. |
| 20:00.56 | gameman73 | haggz: hmm... the kernel module part of the driver? |
| 20:01.13 | robertodeby | ?? paste |
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| 20:01.31 | robertodeby | i'm using tralsation english -- italian |
| 20:01.51 | peterS | robertodeby: I see you are in #debian-it, maybe that would be easier for you |
| 20:01.53 | sword | gameman73: did you know about the debian nvidia packages? |
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| 20:02.17 | peterS | smacnay: what module is giving you problems? |
| 20:03.15 | gameman73 | sword: yeah i know about it, but i went to the nvidia package when this started happening (thinking it would eventually fix it) |
| 20:03.15 | robertodeby | they do not help / they do not answer |
| 20:03.15 | smacnay | peterS: I want to stop bttv, tveeprom, bt878, forcedeth, and a few others from being loaded. |
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| 20:03.15 | smacnay | peterS: I don't use them most of the time and forcedeth is for an onboard eth connection I never use. |
| 20:03.17 | rysiek|pl | hmmm... what architecture should I chose when running celeron? pentium or pentium-mmx?.. wkikipedia has to know |
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| 20:03.31 | flixil | Hello, i got some librarys and files erased so i try to reinstall the wole system with apt-get install --reinstall 'cat file' where file is a file with all my installed packages in... But i get the error E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle |
| 20:03.50 | peterS | rysiek|pl: that is a 686 |
| 20:03.50 | flixil | Thanks in advance |
| 20:03.50 | haggz | gameman73: yeah you have 2 different versions of the nvidia kernel module and thats why you are succeeding when you run the installer script, because it redoes depmod etc and then you get the correct version afterward |
| 20:03.56 | peterS | rysiek|pl: some celerons are pentium-II based, some are pentium-III based, but they are all 686 |
| 20:04.06 | robertodeby | tranks all |
| 20:04.14 | gameman73 | haggz: ok, ill try finding out which is the working one and where the other one is |
| 20:04.15 | rysiek|pl | peterS: yeah, I know, but apt-build asks "pentium, pentium-mmx, pentium2, ..." |
| 20:04.22 | rysiek|pl | peterS: ah, ok, I'll go for p2 |
| 20:04.27 | peterS | rysiek|pl: seriously dude, you will never notice the difference for 99% of apps |
| 20:04.31 | flixil | i tried it also with --fix-broken |
| 20:04.32 | smacnay | is there a command that will show what a packages depend on package "x"? |
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| 20:04.49 | rysiek|pl | peterS: well, on an old celeron 333MHz it matters |
| 20:04.49 | peterS | smacnay: 'apt-cache rdepends' is an approximation |
| 20:04.50 | rysiek|pl | :) |
| 20:04.56 | smacnay | peterS: thanks |
| 20:05.16 | gameman73 | ok... ill leave this as is and see what happens when i reboot later |
| 20:05.19 | gameman73 | thanks |
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| 20:06.01 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: it'll take you longer to build than the time wasted running a 386 package |
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| 20:06.04 | peterS | rysiek|pl: it really doesn't. the only gcc tuning option that ever really mattered was 486 / pentium / 686. since the pentium pipeline was kinda weird. but ever since the Pentium Pro (the first 686), trying to pick your _exact_ processor model is pretty much pointless |
| 20:06.29 | abrotman | erm .. 486 package in etch i guess |
| 20:06.38 | rysiek|pl | hron: ok, so how do I use apt-build to build the package with my tweaked args for ./configure? apt-buld source mypackage and then edit in debian/? |
| 20:06.56 | abrotman | !tell rysiek|pl about apt-build |
| 20:07.05 | smacnay | ah, I see that discover1 is installed and there are some packages depending on it which I need (xserver-xorg and alsa-base are just two). |
| 20:07.07 | will-c | im trying to revert from ruby 1.8.6 to 1.8.5... i remove ruby1.8 with purge option, and then install from stable, but always after installing ruby -v report 1.8.6 ? Is there some other cache i need to clean |
| 20:07.09 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: there's a howto in there that will show you how to waste hours .. or you can try #gentoo :) |
| 20:07.15 | rysiek|pl | peterS: yeah, you're probably right |
| 20:07.20 | flixil | dererk[work]: y para k me sirve rcconf? |
| 20:07.20 | simonrvn | sometimes i just want to scream RTFM ALREADY! |
| 20:07.28 | flixil | ouch sorry wrong channel |
| 20:07.31 | asg | simonrvn: or RTFRN |
| 20:07.32 | stew | simonrvn: you just did :) |
| 20:07.34 | peterS | smacnay: apt-cache rdepends is only an approximation because it also notices 'Recommends:' and 'Suggests:' relationships |
| 20:07.45 | simonrvn | stew: heh heh ;) |
| 20:07.49 | simonrvn | asg: eh? |
| 20:07.58 | asg | simonrvn: read the fucking release notes |
| 20:07.59 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: I wouldn't be doing this if freeradius was shipped with debian WITH eap_tls enabled |
| 20:08.06 | simonrvn | asg: yup yup :) |
| 20:08.07 | hron | rysiek|pl: yes, something like this. |
| 20:08.12 | smacnay | peterS: thanks - I also see that 'aptitude -s remove discover1' shows no other packages to be removed except its corresponding libs. |
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| 20:08.23 | peterS | smacnay: yeah, I think those other packages only Recommend it |
| 20:08.25 | simonrvn | asg: that happens after every debian release ... ;) |
| 20:08.31 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: but since it does not - and I need it - I have to recompile it to include eap_tls support |
| 20:08.44 | asg | simonrvn: I know and I still subject myself to it :) |
| 20:08.59 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: bt, why the heck debian does not ship with things that DEPEND on openssl, but ships openssl itself? |
| 20:09.08 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: crappy license ? |
| 20:09.09 | h3sp4wn | rysiek|pl: illegal to do so |
| 20:09.10 | simonrvn | sucker for punishment ;p |
| 20:09.14 | smacnay | peterS: that package may have been the reason my blacklisting wasn't working - I will try a reboot and see. |
| 20:09.24 | smacnay | peterS: thanks for the help. brb |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: the openssl license is crap .. makes it hard to work with anything depending on it |
| 20:09.41 | peterS | rysiek|pl: huh? certainly we ship things that depend on openssl |
| 20:09.48 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Its nicer for anyone using it than the gpl |
| 20:09.49 | simonrvn | it package that deps on openssl needs a special clause in their license |
| 20:09.54 | simonrvn | s,it,the, |
| 20:09.57 | peterS | rysiek|pl: apt-cache rdepends libssl0.9.8 |
| 20:10.07 | abrotman | peterS: but they have exemptions IIRC |
| 20:10.09 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: to make some random commercial app |
| 20:10.13 | stew | rysiek|pl: it would be illegal for debian to ship freeradius compiled against openssl, this is becuase the license freeradius ships with makes it illegal, you should take this up with with the freeradius authors, not debian |
| 20:10.16 | simonrvn | and yes, peterS is corecct, debian does |
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| 20:10.23 | simonrvn | correct* |
| 20:10.34 | abrotman | dpkg: where'd you go?! |
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| 20:10.48 | rysiek|pl | stew: oh, ok. I only found "on the net" that debian does not ship eap_tls due to openssl license |
| 20:10.58 | rysiek|pl | stew: now it actually makes sence |
| 20:11.09 | abrotman | bad licenses suck! |
| 20:11.12 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: eap_tls needs an exemption clause for it to ship properly in debian |
| 20:11.16 | simonrvn | 'sense' |
| 20:11.25 | abrotman | smell! |
| 20:11.28 | peterS | rysiek|pl: the openssl license is not compatible with the GNU GPL, so a lot of things which are GPL-licensed, we compile with other crypto libraries such as gnutls. but lots of things still do use openssl |
| 20:11.34 | simonrvn | bad spelling smells bad |
| 20:11.41 | asg | abrotman: thought he was talking about his new line of colognes |
| 20:11.42 | rysiek|pl | guys, it got through already, thanks :) |
| 20:11.45 | simonrvn | try saying that 5 times fast |
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| 20:11.46 | rysiek|pl | jeez |
| 20:11.48 | wols_ | simonrvn: but makes me 1337 |
| 20:12.00 | tonsofpcs | so I changed my apt sources so i still get only sarge stuff and received 404s on two things: |
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| 20:12.08 | simonrvn | wols_: when typing that sort of thing, do it in a mocking way ;p |
| 20:12.18 | tonsofpcs | [debian-multimedia : sarge/main Packages] |
| 20:12.21 | wols_ | simonrvn: never! |
| 20:13.26 | simonrvn | wols_: what peterS said, and stew said... had to be with the s/w in question. it isn't openssl itself, per se, unless they change their freaking license... then people wouldn't have to do that sort of crap |
| 20:13.33 | simonrvn | s,had,has, |
| 20:13.49 | peterS | wols_: clause 3 is the annoying one. if you advertise debian and mention that it lets you build secure web sites, you have to mention somewhere on your TV spot or newspaper ad or whatever, "This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://openssl.org/)" |
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| 20:13.50 | wols_ | good luck getting theo change it |
| 20:13.56 | stew | wols_: google for "openssl" and "gpl" |
| 20:14.06 | peterS | and it isn't theo, it's eric youngdale |
| 20:14.10 | wols_ | thanks |
| 20:14.17 | peterS | errr, I mean, Eric Young |
| 20:14.20 | wols_ | so openbsd has more than one big ego? |
| 20:14.21 | peterS | I always get those two confused |
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| 20:14.35 | peterS | openbsd didn't write openssl |
| 20:14.36 | stew | wols_: what peterS said, plus the fact that the gpl says, "you cannot put any further restrictions"... the above advertising clause is a "further restriction" |
| 20:14.37 | ydiddyz | hello |
| 20:14.42 | ydiddyz | i daunloadet debian |
| 20:14.44 | ydiddyz | the new one |
| 20:14.47 | ydiddyz | i like!! |
| 20:14.49 | wols_ | stew: if course |
| 20:15.18 | peterS | you're thinking of openssh. openbsd people _do_ maintain that. |
| 20:15.18 | wols_ | ydiddyz: we like you to. how can't we? |
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| 20:15.45 | tonsofpcs | anyway, what do I need to launch java applets [in JARs] in X? [sarge] |
| 20:16.09 | stew | tonsofpcs: have you installed a jre? |
| 20:16.19 | tonsofpcs | stew: I don't believe so |
| 20:16.24 | stew | tonsofpcs: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:16.25 | ydiddyz | now here my question: i daunloadet debian netinstall for i386, and i installed, but then i have to do everything manually, because i dont have dhcp server, only dsl modem, i configure after install.. so what to do i can choose the mirrors again? |
| 20:16.29 | wols_ | !tell tonsofpcs about java package |
| 20:16.34 | tonsofpcs | thx |
| 20:16.36 | ydiddyz | sorry for english |
| 20:16.39 | stew | there is little reason to use java-pacakge anymore |
| 20:16.39 | ydiddyz | :) |
| 20:16.48 | peterS | ydiddyz: 'apt-setup' |
| 20:16.51 | wols_ | ydiddyz: apt-spy |
| 20:16.55 | wols_ | stew: he said sarge |
| 20:17.04 | stew | wols_: yes |
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| 20:17.14 | haggz | licensing is so important, and only about 1% of the user population understands it, and that includes most web journalists, the majority of the public has the impression that iceweasel was renamed for 'vanity' reasons, not to comply with legal necessities |
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| 20:17.18 | stew | wols_: bpo has it |
| 20:17.19 | ydiddyz | apt-setup or apt-spy? |
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| 20:17.41 | apk | haggz: The majority of the public has even heard of iceweasel? |
| 20:17.47 | wols_ | ydiddyz: depends on your debian version. no harm in using both if available |
| 20:17.47 | xingu | hagbard: cite your source. |
| 20:17.58 | stew | ydiddyz: apt-setup for sarge (aka 3.1 or oldstable), apt-spy for etch (aka 4.0 or stable) |
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| 20:18.04 | flixil | What's iceweasel? I never heard of it |
| 20:18.07 | ydiddyz | ok, i use etch, thank you |
| 20:18.07 | abrotman | xingu: misfire |
| 20:18.09 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 20:18.10 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 20:18.12 | timmy06 | stew: thanks for helping me get upgraded to etch, its working great |
| 20:18.13 | rambo3 | ask you mom |
| 20:18.14 | ydiddyz | so i have to run that after i did pppoeconf? |
| 20:18.15 | flixil | xD, just jocking boy xD |
| 20:18.20 | peterS | haggz: right, I like to use the slogan "Debian: we worry about stupid license issues so you don't have to" |
| 20:18.22 | stew | timmy06: you're welcome |
| 20:18.22 | wols_ | xingu: plenty of forum posts I've seen commenting on the stupidity of debian for that |
| 20:18.35 | xingu | s/hagbard/haggz/ |
| 20:19.01 | wols_ | ydiddyz: as soon as you have a network connection yes |
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| 20:19.08 | ydiddyz | thanks!! |
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| 20:19.11 | haggz | xingu: that was a rhetorical statistic based on the fact that I see a huge amount of forum/blog response posts premised on the idea that Debian renamed firefox to try to market itself, or just to be different, any reason but the real one. |
| 20:19.23 | xingu | wols_: still doesn't smell like usable survey data to me; which forum, how many posts |
| 20:19.29 | flixil | Does anybody know howto reinstall te full system without dependency cicles? |
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| 20:19.37 | dancek | Hey, can I install packages in my homedir with apt? |
| 20:19.49 | dancek | flixil: why would you want to do that? |
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| 20:19.49 | wols_ | xingu: yes it's anecdotal evidience, but I#ve seen far less people defending as being right |
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| 20:20.06 | xingu | haggz: there's plenty of blogs filled with linkspam; do you have a point buried in there somewhere? mine is that if you're going to make broad statements, back them with actual data and a stated survey method. |
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| 20:20.22 | flixil | dancek: bad blocks and some unknown of files of /usr lost |
| 20:20.32 | fasta | I am looking at a webpage with Iceweasel, but these funny people are showing me an image, but I can't really see how to extract that image from that page. Is there some tool that extracts all images from a webpage and dumps them? |
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| 20:20.54 | apk | fasta: wget might help you. |
| 20:20.59 | wols_ | fasta: lots. first: disable javascript |
| 20:21.11 | wols_ | then you should be able to download via right click |
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| 20:21.20 | haggz | xingu: sorry for the bogus statistic -- s/about 1%/few people that I have personally noticed/ |
| 20:21.31 | dancek | flixil: are you trying this with apt-get or aptitude (aptitude should work better) |
| 20:21.36 | jordo23 | how do you restart samba on debian? |
| 20:21.44 | apk | jordo23: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 20:23.22 | apk | jordo23: Same as everywhere else using SysV-style init. |
| 20:23.22 | asg | fasta: or use right click -> 'View Page Info' -> 'Media' |
| 20:23.22 | flixil | dancek: with apt-get --force-yes --fix-broken install --reinstall 'cat list_of_packets` |
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| 20:23.23 | flixil | apk: wasn't there a tool to say coomand service start to do it? |
| 20:23.23 | mandel | Hi, I skiped the debian mirror configuration during the debian installation, what do I have to do to finish it? |
| 20:23.24 | xingu | I rather like the utter inflexibility of debian licensing; it's hard to hold the line - I'm glad someone does. :) |
| 20:23.24 | fasta | apk: how would wget help me if I need to be logged in to view that page? |
| 20:23.29 | peterS | mandel: apt-setup |
| 20:23.32 | apk | fasta: It probably wouldn't. |
| 20:23.59 | dancek | flixil: you should try aptitude. I see no reason why it wouldn't work (but I'm not going to test). |
| 20:24.25 | abrotman | peterS: it's gone ... |
| 20:24.38 | apk | flixil: I've never heard of such a command. |
| 20:24.39 | peterS | abrotman: ok, my bad |
| 20:24.40 | flixil | i tried it with adept with the same answer |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | !punish peterS |
| 20:24.51 | dancek | flixil: just open the ui with "aptitude", then move to "installed packages" and press L (reinstall) and then g (go) twice. |
| 20:24.59 | Azar | flixil: aptitude command will remove broken packages , clean house then you can reinstall with aptitude back again |
| 20:25.00 | flixil | apk: well i read it on the debian-reference i think but i cannot remember |
| 20:25.02 | fasta | asg: Thanks, your right click -> 'View Page Info' -> 'Media' worked :) |
| 20:25.05 | peterS | abrotman: ok, I didn't say "I've been a bad, bad boy" |
| 20:25.09 | abrotman | ghehe |
| 20:25.10 | asg | fasta: you're welcome |
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| 20:25.27 | mandel | peterS, it's not in the search path (I use the net-install disc) |
| 20:25.28 | urv | hi - does the apt-build repository also needs a signed Release file in order to install the packets with apt-get (apt-secure) ? |
| 20:25.35 | flixil | dancek: ok i'll try but i never used aptitude before |
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| 20:26.01 | flixil | I thought there was an option in apt-get to ignore dependencies but i was unable to found it in the man |
| 20:26.09 | peterS | mandel: eh, abrotman told me that apt-setup no longer exists. you could just download http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch, or there might be other tools that replace it, I don't know |
| 20:26.12 | valdyn | flixil: there is not |
| 20:26.20 | Azar | flixil: read this please: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 20:26.29 | dancek | as a general question, why is it that most people use apt-get, aptitude being superior in every way? |
| 20:26.38 | flixil | Thanks Azar i'll do |
| 20:26.46 | ErikRose | dancek: I don't know what people's problem is. ;-) |
| 20:26.46 | abrotman | peterS: apt-spy would work i guess |
| 20:26.48 | flixil | dancek: what do you mean? |
| 20:26.49 | valdyn | flixil: ignoring dependencies is usually the wrong solution |
| 20:26.56 | peterS | dancek: because apt-get has been around longer and everyone has heard of it. also, a lot of people never got the message that aptitude has a command-line interface |
| 20:26.57 | apk | flixil: maybe sysvinit package? (Just guessing) |
| 20:26.58 | rambo3 | whats the kernel on etch and does it have acx module? |
| 20:27.07 | valdyn | dancek: its not superior in every way? |
| 20:27.08 | Azar | dancek: some people don't want to install "relatives" to some package. aptitude does it automatically |
| 20:27.12 | mandel | peterS, I think I have to add a mirror to the source.list and run apt-get with some update option.. |
| 20:27.12 | ErikRose | rambo3: : 2.6.18 |
| 20:27.15 | flixil | apk i don't remember |
| 20:27.17 | rahul | Azar: no it doesn't |
| 20:27.18 | abrotman | !tell rambo3 about acx110 |
| 20:27.25 | rahul | Azar: aptitude does what you configured it to do |
| 20:27.27 | Azar | rahul: give me the better definition |
| 20:27.28 | abrotman | rambo3: i assume that's the one you mean |
| 20:27.35 | flixil | valdyn: well i wanna try before "reinstaling by cd" |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | Azar: it can do either |
| 20:27.44 | rahul | Azar: it's not a question of definition. it's a question of accuracy. |
| 20:27.46 | dancek | valdyn: do you have an example? might be a reason... |
| 20:27.47 | Azar | rahul: so why some prefer to use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 20:27.53 | abrotman | and it's Recommends ,.. not Relatives |
| 20:27.54 | rahul | Azar: because they're silly. |
| 20:28.04 | Azar | thanks abrotman, that what I ment |
| 20:28.10 | flixil | rahul: hey i'm not silly xD |
| 20:28.12 | rahul | the only thing apt-get is good for any more is apt-get build-dep |
| 20:28.14 | Azar | nooooo they have a reason |
| 20:28.15 | peterS | mandel: my example sources.list file works. if you want to change ftp.us.debian.org to ftp.de.debian.org, that's fine |
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| 20:28.20 | rahul | !penixstrike flixil |
| 20:28.20 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking flixil to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:28.32 | peterS | rahul: I said you'd used up half your June quota on that one |
| 20:28.35 | rahul | you sure LOOK silly now :) |
| 20:28.41 | rambo3 | abrotman, yeah its open source driver why didn't they include it in kernel |
| 20:28.42 | rahul | bah |
| 20:28.50 | abrotman | rambo3: it's non-free? |
| 20:28.59 | Azar | rahul: im gonna quote you to everyone who recommends apt-get |
| 20:29.01 | abrotman | rambo3: look at the license .. does it have firmware? |
| 20:29.06 | rahul | Azar: please do. |
| 20:29.18 | Azar | like.. stew for example |
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| 20:29.20 | Azar | :) |
| 20:29.24 | rahul | sure |
| 20:29.26 | rambo3 | yeah |
| 20:29.34 | rahul | I'll be sure to kick him in the nuts on sunday, too |
| 20:29.35 | Azar | your arse gonna get on fire |
| 20:29.42 | Azar | :) |
| 20:29.47 | rahul | my arse is plenty hot already! |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | rambo3: that's why |
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| 20:29.49 | dancek | so back to my question: how can i install software in my homedir with apt? |
| 20:29.50 | peterS | rahul: a lot of "free" drivers nowadays come with a blob of object code for which we do not have source. this is usually called "firmware" but it is still something we're not effectively able to hack on to fix bugs or add features, so it isn't suitable for Debian main |
| 20:29.54 | peterS | rambo3: ^^^^ |
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| 20:30.24 | rahul | firmware is my arse! |
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| 20:30.34 | valdyn | dancek: you cant |
| 20:30.39 | Azar | in any case: with every new release the release notes clearly recommend the use of aptitude. |
| 20:30.55 | Azar | and once you start using it.... forget apt-get |
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| 20:31.10 | dancek | okay, so is it possible to install debs in my homedir with dpkg or something? |
| 20:31.22 | valdyn | dancek: there's working solutions to install software in ~/, apt-get is not the tool for this. |
| 20:31.26 | rahul | dancek: no |
| 20:31.38 | mandel | peterS, ok, data is flowing - bye |
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| 20:31.44 | awormus | this is probably a simple problem, but I seem to be missing terminfo/v/vt320 I searched for it but can't find it anywhere |
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| 20:32.33 | dancek | valdyn: so what would the right solution be (i'd rather not compile anything) |
| 20:32.59 | Azar | rahul: what do you think about uncle Sam? he did it eh? |
| 20:33.00 | valdyn | dancek: depends on the software |
| 20:33.03 | peterS | awormus: I think it's in the 'ncurses-term' package |
| 20:33.07 | rahul | sam? |
| 20:33.09 | rahul | who? |
| 20:33.12 | Azar | yep |
| 20:33.18 | Azar | the elected one |
| 20:33.19 | capiira | anyone know how to use INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 with make-kpkg ? |
| 20:33.29 | peterS | awormus: though truthfully if you just copy vt220 to vt320 (from ncurses-base) it'll work |
| 20:33.29 | valdyn | dancek: firefox for instance works fine if you just tar xzf the tar.gz anywhere |
| 20:33.39 | valdyn | dancek: the binary .tar.gz |
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| 20:33.55 | awormus | peterS, thanks, it was there :) |
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| 20:34.20 | valdyn | dancek: so what is it you really want to install at $HOME >? |
| 20:34.33 | rahul | Azar: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 20:35.10 | dancek | valdyn: for example vim 7 on a machine that's got an older version and i don't have root privileges |
| 20:35.41 | dancek | valdyn: other one would be tilda, a quake-like terminal for gnome |
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| 20:37.15 | apk | dancek: I used to compile vim into $HOME/usr before Debian had vim 7. It is quite painless. |
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| 20:37.39 | valdyn | dancek: vim you have to compile yourself |
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| 20:37.49 | nihraguk | hrm is there some way i can get ps or top to output memory usage in megabytes instead of kB? |
| 20:37.56 | peterS | dancek: you can't use Debian packages for this purpose, you'll have to compile stuff yourself. or there's some third-party application that specialises in this sort of thing, which I heard of a few months ago - but I forget its name |
| 20:37.57 | jair | hello guys, I heard that we now can mount external drives 300GB for example with HPFS/NTFS and be able to write savely on it? |
| 20:38.07 | flixil | dancek: the same error E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. and if i remove that package perl-base and if i remove it another an another |
| 20:38.10 | jair | can we do that with debian sarge or etch? |
| 20:38.19 | jair | !ntfs |
| 20:38.20 | dpkg | methinks ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 20:38.29 | dancek | ok, thanks all... too bad, i thought this would be easier |
| 20:38.44 | peterS | jair: you're thinking of ntfs-3g, which I haven't tried. HPFS, however, is not supported. |
| 20:38.52 | flixil | dancek: thanks anyway :) |
| 20:39.07 | peterS | I mean, there's the kernel hpfs driver but it's not particularly maintained (not too many people still have OS/2 filesystems they need to read in Linux) |
| 20:39.16 | jair | peterS: so we can not write to NTFS yet then :( |
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| 20:39.21 | dancek | flixil: well, you could try reinstalling them only some at a time... it's gonna get complicated thogh |
| 20:39.22 | snirks | where's the gpg keyring supposed to be, because apt is complaining when i update. |
| 20:39.25 | dancek | *though |
| 20:39.35 | flixil | dancek: yes really |
| 20:39.36 | stew | snirks: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 20:39.40 | apk | nihraguk: Install htop |
| 20:39.44 | snirks | stew: thanks |
| 20:39.45 | peterS | jair: you're thinking of ntfs-3g, which supports reading and writing |
| 20:39.48 | flixil | well i can make a script to install one at once maybe |
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| 20:40.06 | flixil | should this work? |
| 20:40.09 | Azar | stew I appologize, I was joking with rahul about you.. |
| 20:40.13 | valdyn | dancek: distros dont manager $HOME, but there's probably tools for that i dont know about |
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| 20:40.31 | nihraguk | apk: thanks, will do |
| 20:40.34 | stew | Azar: no worries :) |
| 20:40.38 | abrotman | stew: or install debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 20:40.48 | snirks | stew: thanks a bunch |
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| 20:40.51 | CartoonCat | okies i broke my laptop with a apt-get upgrade, it now pops to grub and I can not get the kernel to load |
| 20:40.53 | stew | abrotman: yeah, use apt-get, its faster |
| 20:40.58 | Azar | :) |
| 20:41.05 | abrotman | stew: that smells like sarcasm |
| 20:41.36 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, buy a new laptop |
| 20:41.36 | Azar | abrotman: that was aimed at me an rahul |
| 20:41.36 | valdyn | CartoonCat: doesnt make sense, upgrade cant remove kernels, what exactly is hanging? |
| 20:41.37 | rambo3 | with debian preinstalled |
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| 20:41.37 | s0n1 | hi |
| 20:41.39 | CartoonCat | rambo3: this cost 2800USD, No. |
| 20:41.43 | flixil | rambo3: quite difficult i think |
| 20:41.43 | s0n1 | i change my mailscanner in dist-upgrade |
| 20:41.45 | rahul | "every time you use apt-get, stew gets kicked in the nuts" |
| 20:41.50 | CartoonCat | valdyn: Grub is droping to its menu |
| 20:41.53 | Azar | gehehehe |
| 20:41.53 | s0n1 | and loop my emails |
| 20:42.04 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, start installer and jump tp shell |
| 20:42.06 | s0n1 | someone using mailscanner in debian |
| 20:42.07 | s0n1 | ? |
| 20:42.08 | valdyn | CartoonCat: and there's no kernel listed in that menu? |
| 20:42.29 | stew | oh, but then all of the dependencies of debian-archive-keyring won't be marked at automatically installed! |
| 20:42.32 | CartoonCat | valdyn: , grub cli |
| 20:42.37 | valdyn | CartoonCat: and if there's kernels, is your old one still there? |
| 20:42.47 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.48 | valdyn | CartoonCat: oh, no boot menu, just the cli? |
| 20:42.56 | CartoonCat | Bingo valdyn |
| 20:43.08 | nihraguk | wow, htop is pretty nice |
| 20:43.11 | s0n1 | mfrisch: you use mailscanner of debian? |
| 20:43.17 | valdyn | CartoonCat: that'd be easy if you knew grub commands or could have the docs close |
| 20:43.23 | mfrisch | s0n1: yes brb |
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| 20:43.28 | peterS | stew: good thing gnupg (the only dependency) will probably already be installed at that point |
| 20:43.33 | rambo3 | find /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
| 20:43.47 | Azar | o/t but I wonder if *buntus have/use aptitude |
| 20:43.52 | valdyn | CartoonCat: you can boot debian from that cli too, just a matter of a few commands typed on that cli |
| 20:43.57 | CartoonCat | admittedly i forget grub commands, i have some docs at hand |
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| 20:44.05 | nihraguk | i don't suppose there's some way i can get it to display physical memory used as an absolute number rather than a %...? |
| 20:44.13 | peterS | Azar: I'd be surprised if they didn't, it's the best tool for the job |
| 20:44.18 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, find /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 20:44.30 | Azar | peterS: I was hoping that was a Debian exclusive :) |
| 20:44.34 | apk | nihraguk: You can. F2 (setup), configure the displayed columns. |
| 20:44.40 | rambo3 | or if you have boot on sepratae parition /grub/stage1 |
| 20:44.40 | smacnay | peterS: Well, I removed discover1 and still have blacklisted modules loading. With an etch install (no discover any more) is it simply the alteration of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as decribed in this channel's dpkg msg? I am using a .deb kernel so I updated initramfs as well. |
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| 20:44.59 | CartoonCat | rambo3: hd0,0 |
| 20:45.05 | stew | Azar: why, then we would miss out on the chance to have them improve it for us, they way they are doing with apt! |
| 20:45.10 | valdyn | CartoonCat: you need 3 lines, " root (hd0,0) / kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ro console=tty0 / and once the first 2 are correct 'boot' iirc |
| 20:45.14 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, : root(hd0,0) |
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| 20:45.21 | Azar | haha |
| 20:45.24 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, : setup(hd0) |
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| 20:45.28 | flixil | dancek: ok i did that script... i should see if it works installing one each time |
| 20:45.28 | rambo3 | space ther |
| 20:45.34 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, : setup (hd0) |
| 20:45.51 | stew | Azar: goto http://changelogs.debian.net/apt and try to find changelog entries NOT by cannoical employees :) |
| 20:46.24 | valdyn | CartoonCat: forgot the initrd, which you need too for a debian kernel, rambo3 mgiht know... |
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| 20:46.37 | stew | (of course, i have to say that right after joeyh NMUed :)) |
| 20:47.15 | jsubl2 | how do i tell debian to open up f-spot when it senses a camera instead of gthumb |
| 20:47.35 | smacnay | peterS: I wonder if the loading of pci-hotplug starts all of this - although blacklisting of certain modules should stop them from being loaded after. |
| 20:47.37 | dancek | flixil: i'm guessing it'll do at least most of them just fine... it's gonna take some time. |
| 20:47.37 | Azar | haha stew I see no canonical there |
| 20:47.50 | valdyn | jsubl2: you mean 'gnome', if that's your desktop-environment. Is it? |
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| 20:48.14 | peterS | smacnay: pci hotplug modules by themselves shouldn't load other crap. not that you probably need those either, unless you really do have pci hotplug equipment, like a laptop with a docking station |
| 20:48.16 | jsubl2 | valdyn, yeahs sorry yes gnome |
| 20:48.24 | flixil | dancek: it's working... i had the packages downloaded before... well anyway... can really apt install in ~/apt for example? |
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| 20:48.34 | valdyn | jsubl2: run 'gnome-volume-properties' |
| 20:48.53 | dancek | flixil: looks like it can't |
| 20:48.54 | don_jr__ | Hello, I am a soon to be debian user, I'm downloading the debian netinst.iso as we speak. I would like the kde interface and I'm decently new to linux as a whole. Any advice on options to install up front? |
| 20:48.57 | stew | Azar: mvo is a ubuntu dev and mdz is the cannoical cto |
| 20:49.01 | jsubl2 | thanks valdyn |
| 20:49.06 | peterS | flixil: apt doesn't install anything, it asks dpkg to install the things that it downloads. and dpkg doesn't support installing packages anywhere except where they were intended to be installed |
| 20:49.13 | CartoonCat | valdyn: rambo3: ok looked up those commands |
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| 20:49.28 | smacnay | peterS: I don't - a simple desktop here. |
| 20:49.29 | nihraguk | apk: hrm.. ok i guess M_SIZE is what i'm looking for. thanks :) |
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| 20:49.43 | flixil | peterS: bad karma then :) |
| 20:49.48 | smacnay | peterS: I guess this is the hassle with an initrd .deb kernel. |
| 20:49.55 | valdyn | CartoonCat: wonder why you are dropped to shell though. Maybe /boot/grub/menu.lst vanished.. |
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| 20:50.01 | valdyn | CartoonCat: but you can fix that later .. |
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| 20:50.10 | flixil | don_jr__: what do you mean by any options?? (if you are spanish there is #debian-es) |
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| 20:51.31 | don_jr__ | I'm not spanish I just can't spell in english either! lol I've never installed debian, let alone any linux from a net install. and I'm not sure how to put KDE on it after it's installed or what dep's it may need. |
| 20:51.35 | IamEthos | how do I completely remove apache? |
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| 20:51.54 | IamEthos | I installed apache2, but I can't seem to get rid of all of apache |
| 20:51.54 | valdyn | don_jr__: nothing special. If you select the desktop task ( you'll notice when you get to that step ), kde will be installed. And should be an option in gdm ( where you will be loggging in to X ) |
| 20:52.04 | flixil | don_jr__: you don't need to care about dependencies |
| 20:52.14 | CartoonCat | valdyn: rambo3: looks like i have a issue, according to the docs its "kernel /vmlinuz root=(dev/hd0)" and i get a file not found |
| 20:52.19 | IamEthos | and it's bumming me out because I install new packages, and they install for apache, not apache2 |
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| 20:52.36 | flixil | valdyn: is now kde the default desktop? |
| 20:52.44 | valdyn | CartoonCat: try /boot/vmlinuz |
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| 20:53.11 | valdyn | CartoonCat: if that file can be found or not depends on the correctness of your earlier 'root (hd0,0)' |
| 20:53.20 | don_jr__ | valdyn flixil thanks alot, that helps I hope to be able to get started from tehre, is apt still in use on debian? that's the way I'm use to getting things once I'm running |
| 20:53.43 | valdyn | CartoonCat: secondly, the root= after 'vmlinuz' needs to be a linux device node afaik, like /dev/hda1 |
| 20:53.44 | flixil | i use apt, but here they told me to use aptitude instead... i shall see |
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| 20:54.01 | valdyn | CartoonCat: you can use tab - completion to find files too |
| 20:54.18 | brent_ | I've got VMWare server installed. I would like to have a way to automatically run the script vmware-config.pl everytime after the kernel gets updated so that VMware can reconfigure itself with the new kernel. Is there anyway to add this "rule" to apt-get? |
| 20:54.20 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, try normal boot syntax like valdyn sad |
| 20:54.29 | CartoonCat | valdyn: ah i missed that in the docs, and the root=hd0,0 should be correct, there is only 1 hd |
| 20:54.30 | valdyn | IamEthos: remove 'apache-common' |
| 20:54.53 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, root=/dev/hda1 |
| 20:55.14 | dancek | flixil, don_jr__: actually apt-get and aptitude both are just frontends to apt (and aptitude is the recommended one) |
| 20:55.24 | valdyn | CartoonCat: its "root (hd0,0)" once, after that in the kernel... line its root=/dev/hda1, NOT (hdx,x) |
| 20:55.38 | Azar | hahaha some complain that Etch comes with gnome 2.6.14...well...2.6.18 is out right now |
| 20:55.47 | CartoonCat | rambo3:yes i see that, and i get the file not found for it too |
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| 20:55.51 | Azar | like I personally would care about gnome |
| 20:55.58 | valdyn | CartoonCat: the 2nd root= is an option for your kernel. Unfortunately your kernel doesnt speak grubish |
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| 20:56.50 | zorton | i'm running into a problem with libx11-6 2:1.0.3-7 and need to downgrade to 2:1.0.3-6 |
| 20:56.58 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 or sda1 |
| 20:57.04 | valdyn | CartoonCat: if you cant figure it out - use a live cd to find disks / partitions and files on them |
| 20:57.07 | brent_ | basically I need a way to tell apt-get that "When *this* package is updated, run *this* script", has anyone heard of a way to do this? :) Thanks |
| 20:57.10 | Azar | flixil: gnome is the default, but one can use kde as well |
| 20:57.17 | zorton | is there a nice way to do this or should I just download the deb an do a dpkg -i package.deb |
| 20:57.18 | CartoonCat | rambo3: file not found |
| 20:57.36 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 or sda1 |
| 20:57.51 | Azar | brent_: you would anyways run update/upgrade once a week.. |
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| 20:58.05 | Azar | brent_: wait, security upgrades only on Etch |
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| 20:58.35 | chops | brent_: As a quick hack, you could see how the kernel's trying to update the bootloader if lilo is installed, and then add a hook when it tries to call lilo |
| 20:58.35 | Azar | newer version of packages will not make it on Debian stable |
| 20:59.03 | CartoonCat | rambo3: the same, and doing find vmlnuz is file not found too |
| 20:59.05 | valdyn | brent_: vim /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 20:59.34 | dancek | zorton: maybe aptitude install libx11-6=1.0.3-6 |
| 20:59.36 | don_jr__ | dancek okay so aptitude/apt is a general linux thing not just ubuntu, that's what I was wondering, kubuntu is all I've used until I install debian in a moment, after I figure out how to burn an iso with cdrecord from a terminal |
| 20:59.48 | zorton | dacnek: let me give it a try |
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| 21:00.14 | dancek | don_jr__: actually apt is a debian thing that ubuntu inherited. most other distros don't have it. |
| 21:00.19 | brent_ | Thanks everyone, those sound like good ideas to get started on :) sorry for the slow response I just grabbed some dinner |
| 21:00.26 | zorton | dacnek: no dice but that's close, i'll just grab the deb |
| 21:00.34 | Insolit | anyone here ever used create_compressed_fs? |
| 21:00.39 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, try : find /vmlinuz |
| 21:00.40 | don_jr__ | dancek alrighty then, I got use to apt with ubuntu and I"m going to the original now, and the fact that I'll be able to use .deb files here I love! |
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| 21:00.54 | don_jr__ | anyone here able to tell me how to write an .iso to cd from terminal with cdrecord? |
| 21:01.09 | brent_ | Azar: I'm not sure I understand your suggestion though. How would running update/upgrade once a week fix my problem? |
| 21:01.14 | CartoonCat | rambo3: I stated that i did that according to the docs, Error 15: File not found |
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| 21:01.59 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, do you have boot on separate parition ? |
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| 21:02.14 | stew | don_jr__: "wodim /path/to/iso" |
| 21:02.25 | CartoonCat | rambo3: Nope, only 2 partitions, / and swap |
| 21:02.37 | bkw | don_jr__: have you tried dvd+rw-tools? |
| 21:02.49 | Azar | brent_: maybe I mis-understood what you ment.. read too fast |
| 21:02.55 | mfrisch | s0n1: whats your mailscanner prob? gie me a min |
| 21:03.15 | don_jr__ | stew bkw I have a terminal only, no X at all and I've never burnt an ISO from a linux machine ever....lol |
| 21:03.32 | stew | don_jr__: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:03.49 | xand | don_jr__: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom somefile.iso |
| 21:03.50 | brent_ | Azar: ok, but you did give me a good idea to fix my problem anyways. i could just update/upgrade on a cron job schedule and then run the script immediately after that job is finished |
| 21:04.01 | don_jr__ | stew I'm on a kubuntu machine right now, never had a debian box yet |
| 21:04.03 | don_jr__ | xand thanks |
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| 21:04.11 | bkw | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 21:04.17 | h3xis | how do i unrar a file that is password protected? |
| 21:04.40 | bkw | don_jr__: who said dvd rw tools has something to do with X? |
| 21:04.58 | don_jr__ | bkw no one, just letting you know where I am |
| 21:05.00 | flixil | h3xis: do you know it? if it is use unrar -p password file |
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| 21:05.05 | CartoonCat | well, what does it mean when it can not find /vmlinuz but it can find the other files/folders as in the docs? I mean, did the hd burp or did apt-get try changing kernels and barf? |
| 21:05.07 | h3xis | flixil, yes, i'll try that |
| 21:05.17 | Omena- | my console broke |
| 21:05.27 | Omena- | irssi has some weird ass font |
| 21:05.43 | flixil | h3xis: i think that there should be not space between -p and password |
| 21:05.55 | stew | CartoonCat: kernels are installed to /boot/ what exactly are you looking for? |
| 21:05.59 | dancek | don_jr__: btw, you can use www in terminal with elinks, links, links2, lynx or w3m (might be more of them) |
| 21:06.00 | rysiek|pl | ok, got a deb-src package untared, which file do I need to change to change the args ./configure will be invoked with? |
| 21:06.06 | mfrisch | s0n1: you there? |
| 21:06.13 | stew | rysiek|pl: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 21:06.25 | rysiek|pl | stew: thanks |
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| 21:06.34 | h3xis | flixil, right |
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| 21:06.38 | phretor | hi tehre |
| 21:06.49 | twobitsprite | what do you all think of the last paragraph of this article: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS2291238761.html |
| 21:06.58 | don_jr__ | dancek thanks I appriciate that. I have the .iso for debian netinst downloaded already, justh ave to get it burnt. one last newb question, if I just install debian while kubuntu is still on the box, will it reformat and erase it all or should I format first? |
| 21:06.59 | Szeraax | anyone know how to set the uid of a screen saver? |
| 21:07.04 | phretor | where do I place make optimization flags? On BSD I put 'em into /etc/make.conf - what's the standard place for Debian. Thanks. |
| 21:07.08 | Szeraax | (i know it's dumb. how can i do it?) |
| 21:07.09 | twobitsprite | namely: "the 'we release when it's done' attitude has to end here." |
| 21:07.19 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, means nothing . doesnt work on my grub find /vmlinuz |
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| 21:07.32 | CartoonCat | stew: Trying to figure out what happened (and reverse it) to cause grub to lose the kernel list |
| 21:07.41 | stew | don_jr__: no need to format first, just boot the installer (backup anything you don't want to lose first in any case) |
| 21:07.42 | brent_ | valdyn: the kernel-img.conf was exactly what i was looking for. thanks :) |
| 21:07.58 | stew | CartoonCat: have you tried running "update-grub" ? |
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| 21:08.02 | CartoonCat | rambo3: ok well the docs say it works, so helpful docs that are wrong heh |
| 21:08.12 | don_jr__ | stew thanks, nothing on that machine I cae to keep or can't get right back easily enough. |
| 21:08.15 | CartoonCat | stew: im in a crashed state so no, ive not |
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| 21:08.27 | CartoonCat | stew: booting only gets me the grub cli |
| 21:08.49 | haggz | don_jr_: if you want to keep your kubuntu install, you could use gparted to resize the kubuntu partition smaller and add a new partition for debian, as always back up important data prior to major hd operations |
| 21:08.53 | flixil | CartoonCat: try it in a live cd (update-grub) |
| 21:08.56 | stew | CartoonCat: do you have a livecd or install cd you can boot from? |
| 21:08.56 | Omena- | http://mureakuha.com/paste/?952bf988cdea2fad2902e0cd45a8205d |
| 21:08.59 | Omena- | WHAT IS THIS http://mureakuha.com/paste/?952bf988cdea2fad2902e0cd45a8205d |
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| 21:09.27 | don_jr__ | haggz thanks, but I don't care to keep it, I'm goofin off right now trying to find a linux install I like, I hope debian is it. |
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| 21:09.49 | stew | so do we |
| 21:09.51 | mfrisch | Omena-: how did you do that? |
| 21:10.05 | Szeraax | when i killed my mbr i just booted to a live cd and chrooted into my system and did grub-install |
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| 21:10.12 | Omena- | mfrisch with dist-upgrade |
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| 21:10.24 | rambo3 | CartoonCat, do you have install cd ? |
| 21:10.26 | mfrisch | Omena-: sarge >>etch? |
| 21:10.28 | CartoonCat | stew: yea ive got one |
| 21:10.35 | don_jr__ | it's installing now, so as long as I"m online once it's done I can get what ever I want/need from there! |
| 21:10.48 | stew | CartoonCat: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 21:10.53 | Omena- | mfrisch 3.1 to 4.0 |
| 21:11.01 | CartoonCat | rambo3: just the netinst disc, else its knoppix or gnoppix |
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| 21:11.16 | rambo3 | use knoppix |
| 21:11.23 | CartoonCat | stew: you think the mbr was toasted? what leads you to that? |
| 21:11.30 | phretor | sorry for re-posting: where do I place GCC optimization flags? Is /etc/make.conf the rigth palce? |
| 21:11.35 | phretor | s/palce/place |
| 21:11.48 | versuchsanstalt | is it possible to run two monitors in xinerama, one only capable of 60Hz and the other one at higher freqs? |
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| 21:12.07 | versuchsanstalt | or can they only run 60Hz max? |
| 21:12.09 | stew | CartoonCat: its a way to get you to where you can run "update-grub" which will scan /boot directory and give you a new menu.lst |
| 21:12.09 | mfrisch | Omena-: haven't seen that before. |
| 21:12.11 | CartoonCat | Ok i was wrong, no cd's (the wallets are in the burban and the wife has it at work) |
| 21:12.14 | Omena- | me neither |
| 21:12.26 | stew | CartoonCat: i'm not making any guesses about what is wrong or what caused it, but how to fix it |
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| 21:12.41 | CartoonCat | stew: ah, i was just trying to understand |
| 21:13.09 | Azar | Omena-: you were running 3.1 with a 2.6.8 kernel and your sources poiting at ? stable? testing? |
| 21:13.11 | don_jr__ | if the install says it's creating in partition 1 5 and 6 does that mean I have 2 3 and 4 somewhere I don't know about? |
| 21:13.48 | dkr | don_jr__: 4 is extended primary partition, which likely contains 5 and 6 |
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| 21:13.52 | flixil | don_jr__: no, they should be extended partitions (it's like rtual ones) |
| 21:14.03 | Omena- | Azar yea |
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| 21:14.07 | don_jr__ | okay thanks dkr and flixil |
| 21:14.08 | Omena- | i was running some really old kernel |
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| 21:14.29 | don_jr__ | so with apt being native to debian I'm assuming apt-cache search will work once this install is done? |
| 21:14.30 | Azar | Omena-: please specify: kernel version and where your sources.list were pointing at |
| 21:14.32 | Szeraax | anyone? yes no? set the uid on a screen saver?? |
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| 21:14.46 | haggz | don_jr_: absolutely |
| 21:14.55 | don_jr__ | haggz Beautifull! |
| 21:14.56 | capiira | hmm where does "apt-get source" save packages? |
| 21:15.00 | Omena- | Azar 2.6.8-2-386 and stable main |
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| 21:15.12 | Omena- | Azar http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4463/irssinv9.jpg |
| 21:15.15 | Omena- | thats my irssi |
| 21:15.16 | flixil | capiira: i think right in /src |
| 21:15.17 | phretor | ok, nobody knows where to put GCC optimization flags. |
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| 21:15.29 | flixil | Szeraax: sorry i don't know |
| 21:15.35 | Omena- | how the hell am i supposed to fix that |
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| 21:15.39 | don_jr__ | phretor I"m sorry I don't, I'm too new to linux I don't even know what your askin! lol |
| 21:15.41 | Insolit | guys how can i split a file in two? |
| 21:15.50 | capiira | hmm thx |
| 21:15.51 | flixil | i don't use screen saver |
| 21:15.52 | Szeraax | yay, at least someone will say they cant help... |
| 21:15.53 | Insolit | without breaking its contents |
| 21:16.02 | haggz | insolit: try man split and see if it suits your needs |
| 21:16.16 | phretor | don_jr__: but you replied, at least! |
| 21:16.27 | flixil | phretor: wasn't it /etc/make.conf? |
| 21:16.29 | Azar | Omena-: so what exactly you did: dist-upgrade? |
| 21:16.29 | rambo3 | cat /dev/random ? |
| 21:16.39 | flixil | i don't remember it exactly but i think it was |
| 21:16.45 | Insolit | thanks hagbard |
| 21:16.48 | Insolit | thanks haggz |
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| 21:16.57 | flixil | at least in lfs where i used it if i remember fine |
| 21:17.06 | phretor | flixil: I'm looking for a certain answer, since make.conf does not exist by default into /etc/ |
| 21:17.12 | Omena- | Azar apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:17.18 | Omena- | it offered me 400 packs |
| 21:17.20 | Omena- | i installed them |
| 21:17.21 | Azar | we ok |
| 21:17.30 | Omena- | from Stable Main |
| 21:17.45 | Azar | Omena-: try again: change the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list from "stable" to "etch" |
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| 21:18.13 | Omena- | Azar and then do dist-upgrade |
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| 21:18.14 | Azar | Omena-: then try : aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:18.24 | Omena- | why aptitude? |
| 21:18.25 | Azar | Omena-: "aptitude" not "apt-get" |
| 21:18.31 | Azar | cuz I said so? |
| 21:18.32 | Azar | :) |
| 21:18.34 | mfrisch | Omena-: update before dist-upgrade |
| 21:18.38 | Omena- | yes |
| 21:18.41 | don_jr__ | phretor have you looked for anywhere else make.conf may be? |
| 21:18.41 | Omena- | umm is it safe? |
| 21:18.46 | Azar | very safe |
| 21:18.48 | Omena- | to use etch repository |
| 21:18.50 | Omena- | ok |
| 21:18.55 | flixil | don_jr__: there is no make.conf by defect in debian |
| 21:19.13 | don_jr__ | flixil oh...okay I'm a newb just thinkin of the lil I know |
| 21:19.19 | Omena- | deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 21:19.24 | Omena- | i just change the stable to etch? |
| 21:19.31 | Azar | Omena-: for your information "etch" is stable so you can use it |
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| 21:19.40 | Azar | yes |
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| 21:19.47 | rambo3 | Omena-, use sed or something if you have more repos |
| 21:20.11 | Omena- | ok i changes them all |
| 21:20.16 | piztek | I did an update and now the auto login stopped working for kde, does anyone know whats up? did the update switch kwin off? |
| 21:20.18 | Omena- | 3 of them |
| 21:20.26 | Azar | Omena-: aptitude update then aptitude install aptitude |
| 21:20.51 | Omena- | :D |
| 21:20.52 | Omena- | ok |
| 21:21.04 | snirks | whats the best way to check if ntp is working? |
| 21:21.12 | Azar | Omena-: then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:21.19 | Omena- | Azar it wants me to remove buncch of stuff now |
| 21:21.23 | Omena- | aptitude install aptitude |
| 21:21.34 | Azar | Omena-: paste in a paster |
| 21:21.38 | Omena- | ok |
| 21:22.09 | Omena- | http://mureakuha.com/paste/?1309706222ab656052353f487ea88a0c |
| 21:22.14 | piztek | why has the auto login stopped working? |
| 21:22.25 | piztek | after an update? |
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| 21:23.00 | rambo3 | do you wish to keep config Y/n ? n |
| 21:23.11 | Azar | Omena-: move your sources back to "sarge" then do aptitude -f install |
| 21:23.29 | Omena- | oh that is gonna brake stuff |
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| 21:23.34 | piztek | what is the gnome window manager called? |
| 21:23.40 | haggz | piztek: metacity |
| 21:23.45 | Omena- | Azar isnt sarge the testing release |
| 21:23.46 | Azar | Omena-: you got some broken packages needs to be -f fixed |
| 21:23.46 | piztek | where can i set kwin? |
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| 21:23.57 | Omena- | isnt -f --force |
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| 21:23.58 | piztek | dpkg something |
| 21:23.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, something is everything,nothing, or part of something else, or everything, or nothing, or part of something else |
| 21:23.59 | Azar | Omena 3.1 is Sarge (oldstable) |
| 21:24.05 | smacnay | If anyone knows the secret to getting a recent etch install to quit loading unwanted/unneeded modules on boot (initrd Deb kernel), please let me know. I have followed the instructions of "/msg dpkg blacklist" to no avail. |
| 21:24.10 | Omena- | oh ok |
| 21:24.18 | piztek | haggz: where can i set kwin |
| 21:24.20 | Azar | Omena-: 4.0 is Etch (stable) |
| 21:24.29 | rambo3 | smacnay, update-initram -u |
| 21:24.36 | piztek | haggz: why has the auto login stopped working on kde after an update? |
| 21:24.36 | Omena- | Azar so i switch back to stable main |
| 21:24.38 | Azar | Omena-: you are still on 3.1 Sarge which is the oldstable |
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| 21:24.50 | Azar | Omena-: NO! replace with "sarge" |
| 21:24.53 | Omena- | ok! :D |
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| 21:25.08 | haggz | piztek: dunno, probably somewhere in gconf? not an expert on gui customization |
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| 21:25.16 | flixil | phretor: why don't you define for example /etc/profile to load /etc/make.conf and put there in bash sintax what do you want $CFLAGS to be? |
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| 21:25.22 | piztek | well can anyone help me? |
| 21:25.27 | Omena- | Azar do i do apt-get update? |
| 21:25.28 | Azar | 3.1 Sarge (oldstable), 4.1 Etch(actual stable) xx Lenny (testing) |
| 21:25.35 | Omena- | now that i changed it to sarge |
| 21:25.38 | flixil | (Note this is not totally reliable; some makefiles set |
| 21:25.38 | flixil | `CFLAGS' explicitly and therefore are not affected by the value in the environment.) |
| 21:25.41 | Omena- | the sources.list |
| 21:25.48 | mfrisch | yes |
| 21:25.50 | abrotman | etch is 4.0 Azar |
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| 21:26.17 | delight-net | I'm trying to compile something (basket) but i get "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" there is no xdevel or x-window-system-dev package ... were do i have to look in etch for that libs? |
| 21:26.18 | h3sp4wn | phretor: You could just put them in /etc/environment (easier) |
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| 21:26.40 | delight-net | xserver-xorg-dev ? |
| 21:26.58 | Omena- | Azar i changes my source.list to sarge |
| 21:27.05 | phretor | I'm amazed - isn't it a standard in Debian? |
| 21:27.07 | torrr | what do I need in order to play midi files? |
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| 21:27.12 | Omena- | Azar do i have to update before aptitude -f install |
| 21:27.49 | flixil | phretor: yes it is.. it uses the fhs standard |
| 21:27.58 | flixil | filesystem hierarchity sistem standard |
| 21:28.13 | flixil | but it's quite open in most aspects |
| 21:28.14 | bkw | Omena-: check your sources.list, then apt-get update , then dist-upgrade |
| 21:28.17 | delight-net | nope ... xserver-xorg-dev isn't doing the trick either ... |
| 21:28.29 | Omena- | .................. |
| 21:28.31 | delight-net | does anybody know were to get gthat X libraries for compile |
| 21:28.33 | Omena- | wtf |
| 21:28.45 | Azar | Omena-: yes |
| 21:28.47 | Azar | sorry phone |
| 21:28.56 | Omena- | Azar aptitude update or apt-get update |
| 21:29.00 | mfrisch | delight-net: try xlibs-dev |
| 21:29.05 | Azar | Omena-: the idea is you need those broken packages fixed |
| 21:29.17 | Azar | aptitude fixeres it |
| 21:29.18 | delight-net | mfrisch: thnx i'll try |
| 21:29.19 | Omena- | so aptitude update && aptitude -f install |
| 21:29.31 | Azar | well ok |
| 21:29.34 | Omena- | ok |
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| 21:29.54 | piztek | can anyone help me with the auto login in kde? |
| 21:29.56 | delight-net | mfrisch: there is not xlibs-dev in etch |
| 21:30.16 | Omena- | Azar so im now doing it from the sarge repositories :> |
| 21:30.20 | mfrisch | delight-net: I will look |
| 21:30.33 | Azar | Omena-: yes you need to get clean before upgrading to etch |
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| 21:31.31 | mfrisch | delight-net: xlibs-static-dev is the new metapackage. |
| 21:31.33 | Omena- | Azar http://mureakuha.com/paste/?9fae8b8337dac16e182626ace77f7b2a |
| 21:31.40 | Azar | Omena-: you might as well look at this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 21:31.41 | Omena- | do i wanna do that |
| 21:31.54 | delight-net | mfrish ok thank you i will try that |
| 21:32.25 | delight-net | mfrisch: could it be xorg-dev ? |
| 21:32.30 | Azar | Omena-: YES go for it |
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| 21:32.37 | Omena- | :D |
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| 21:33.06 | Omena- | ok |
| 21:33.11 | Omena- | Azar they were removed |
| 21:33.12 | Azar | you can reinstall them later after you get in Etch with "aptitude install package1, package2... all of them) |
| 21:33.12 | mfrisch | delight-net: it is possible |
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| 21:33.29 | Omena- | what do i do now? |
| 21:33.56 | delight-net | xorg-dev installs most of the dependencies of xlibs-static-dev and some more |
| 21:33.58 | Azar | do an aptitude update /upgrade again see if htere are any errors or packages to be removed |
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| 21:34.33 | Omena- | Azar i did aptitude update |
| 21:34.36 | Omena- | no errors... |
| 21:34.51 | Azar | good: go back to sources.list replace "sarge" with "etch" |
| 21:34.55 | Omena- | ok |
| 21:35.07 | CartoonCat | okies, well i found a knoppix disc, followed the commands from /msg dpkg fixmbr, and grub still does the same, ideas? |
| 21:35.18 | Omena- | Azar done |
| 21:35.28 | Azar | Omena-: then aptitude install aptitude .... aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:35.35 | JiLeT-OsMaN | Azar: could you please pastebin your sources.list for me? |
| 21:35.41 | Omena- | Azar but first aptitude update? |
| 21:35.56 | Azar | Omena-: no, you are now looking at etch |
| 21:35.57 | Azar | JiLeT-OsMaN: yes |
| 21:36.09 | Omena- | :o |
| 21:36.13 | JiLeT-OsMaN | Azar: thank you, your great! |
| 21:36.21 | Omena- | i thought you have to always update after modifying sources.list |
| 21:36.28 | delight-net | mfrisch: xorg-dev did the trick maybe the static libs would have done it too |
| 21:36.49 | smacnay | rambo3: thanks but I have been doing that. I needed to add the -k 2.6.18-4-k7 switch to make it work. |
| 21:36.59 | mfrisch | delight-net: that wasn't for the static it just had it in the name. probally the same thing |
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| 21:37.13 | Omena- | Azar a huge pile of errorsa |
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| 21:37.26 | wintix | Omena-: yes, you have to, afaik |
| 21:37.33 | Omena- | afaik? |
| 21:37.46 | smacnay | rambo3: maybe I need to do it to the 2.6.18-4-486 as well... dunno |
| 21:37.53 | don_jr__ | as far as i know (afaik) |
| 21:38.00 | wintix | Omena-: i could be wrong. but i don't think so. (as far as i know = afaik) |
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| 21:38.22 | don_jr__ | are there instructions on getting nvidia drivers to work with debian? |
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| 21:38.41 | Omena- | Azar im now doing aptitude update |
| 21:38.42 | delight-net | mfrisch: maybe ... seemed like xorg-dev was a superset of the xibs-static-dev ... but i did not check up to last package |
| 21:38.46 | wintix | !tell don_jr__ about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:39.07 | haggz | don_jr_: yes, and there are also packages to install in the non-free repos that require basically zero work |
| 21:39.08 | don_jr__ | and another newbish question....aptitude will get dependencies for the package I"m trying to install along with thepackage it's self correct? |
| 21:39.11 | don_jr__ | wintix thanks |
| 21:39.16 | Azar | JiLeT-OsMaN: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6045 |
| 21:39.16 | rambo3 | smacnay, no you dont if you are on current kernel . if its some other kernel then use -k switch |
| 21:39.22 | Azar | Omena-: good |
| 21:39.31 | JiLeT-OsMaN | Azar thanks man, God bless you |
| 21:39.32 | wintix | don_jr__: yes, it will. np. |
| 21:39.32 | Azar | uh errors? |
| 21:39.35 | Omena- | sure |
| 21:39.41 | Azar | paste please |
| 21:39.46 | smacnay | rambo3: iwth just the -u switch, it would not run |
| 21:39.48 | wintix | !paste |
| 21:39.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 21:40.01 | krokas | hi. After dist-upgrade to the new stable release from Sarge my mouse scroll very slowling now. Changing Gnome settings does not help. I tried to use the gpm but it does not seem to help too. I wonder what is the problem. It is a touch mouse, on my Laptop. |
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| 21:40.24 | smacnay | rambo3: I get this message with the -u switch: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20.040907 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 21:40.24 | Omena- | Azar http://mureakuha.com/paste/?67433dea124dd08f50899ad4bb419d96 |
| 21:40.27 | flixil | krokas: gpm is to have mouse under tty |
| 21:40.47 | smacnay | rambo3: that is a handmade kernel I make-kpkg'd but removed later. |
| 21:40.49 | krokas | it seem to be under dev/psaux |
| 21:40.58 | krokas | a touch mouse Toshiba laptop |
| 21:41.09 | krokas | but it scrolls very slowly now, not sure what to do |
| 21:41.13 | rambo3 | smacnay, that wierd , take a look in man update-initramfs |
| 21:41.16 | don_jr__ | mirror scan on the net install has been on 60% for quite a while, should it take this long or is it possibleit froze up? |
| 21:41.24 | krokas | cannot adjust its sensevity |
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| 21:42.09 | Azar | the heck if I seen this on my upgrade... what is liblockdev1? |
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| 21:42.13 | haggz | cartooncat: have you checked the basics like making sure all your kernel files are in the correct place, fsck the filesystem, verified that grub is correctly targeting your boot partition, a sane menu.lst file exists? havent tracked your debug/fix process, sorry |
| 21:42.36 | smacnay | rambo3: if I run -c on the current kernel, it should work fine, or is that a bad idea? |
| 21:42.37 | Azar | Omena-: ok did your dist-upgrade went through? |
| 21:42.46 | Omena- | i didnt do that yet |
| 21:42.59 | Azar | ok show me your entire sources.list on a paster |
| 21:43.21 | Omena- | Azar do you need the ### lines |
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| 21:43.27 | krokas | it seems as Gnome cannot control the mouse sensivity. |
| 21:43.31 | Azar | Omena-: no the commented ones no |
| 21:43.32 | krokas | googling does not help. |
| 21:43.39 | rambo3 | smacnay, its ok acprding to manual : update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.X.X |
| 21:43.47 | krokas | not anymore, after the dist-upgrade, that is |
| 21:43.51 | Omena- | Azar http://mureakuha.com/paste/?40a1652f0306e8285aff277d821c8b89 |
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| 21:44.09 | montoya | Hi |
| 21:44.13 | montoya | http://rafb.net/p/lJxiy587.html |
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| 21:44.22 | Azar | look at mine http://channels.debian.net/paste/6045 as an example |
| 21:44.27 | abrotman | montoya: that's in italian |
| 21:44.40 | don_jr__ | How can I tell if the install has froze or if it's just taking forever? anything to do other than start over?? |
| 21:44.41 | montoya | yes, but ignore this messages |
| 21:44.55 | montoya | important is: E: tetex-bin: etc... |
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| 21:45.05 | abrotman | !tell montoya about bts |
| 21:45.10 | Omena- | Azar should i use that :P |
| 21:45.17 | Azar | Omena-: sure |
| 21:45.28 | scruffy | what's the name of the application which can build install packages from a directory and install them with the ability to uninstall? It's an alternative to deb, rpm, etc. Can someone refresh my memory? |
| 21:45.39 | montoya | this error occurred at me and a my friend |
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| 21:45.48 | don_jr__ | scruffy apt? |
| 21:46.00 | scruffy | don_jr__: nope |
| 21:46.14 | haggz | don_jr_: i think you can see some text output tracking the installation process on some of the tty screens, accessible via ctrl-alt-F[x] |
| 21:46.29 | don_jr__ | haggz thanks I'll try it out |
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| 21:46.46 | CartoonCat | wee fun, ok update-grub has /bin/ls: /boot/vmlinuz-*: No such file or directory Does this mean my kernel is hosed?? |
| 21:46.48 | Omena- | Azar what do i do now :o |
| 21:46.49 | efface | quick question, when i boot my comp, it is loading an older module of nvidia....so X wont load, so i have to go to term and rmmod nvidia, modprobe nvidia, gdm start. How can i fix this problem? |
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| 21:47.03 | ohad | hi, can anyone recommand a solid NAS storage server -- about 10t-30t? |
| 21:47.04 | Azar | Omena-: try reading the notes before dist-upgrade, see what is going on ok? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 21:47.29 | don_jr__ | haggz been 20 mins with no movement....probably frozen? or still reading package lists? |
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| 21:47.45 | wintix | !tell efface about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:48.08 | mfrisch | don_jr__: hit ctrl-alt f4 |
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| 21:48.26 | don_jr__ | mfrisch I have, it shows a time stamp for what it's doing, it's been 20 mins since last movement |
| 21:48.29 | Omena- | this cannot be happening |
| 21:48.39 | mfrisch | don_jr__: whats it doing? |
| 21:48.43 | Omena- | why does the debian always have to brake |
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| 21:48.47 | Omena- | ALWAYS the same thing |
| 21:48.50 | Omena- | year after year |
| 21:48.56 | Azar | Omena-: aptitude removed some packages who were obviously broken, (while you were in sarge). Now aptitude looks at "etch" archive.... something totally new. Anything you will want to update/upgrade or install will come from Etch into your installed Sarge. I would try to dist-upgrade, upgrade the 2.6.18 kernel immediately after dist-upgrade and reinstall packages that aptitude removed with.... aptitude install |
| 21:49.02 | Ronin | Omena-: heh |
| 21:49.02 | Omena- | you take "THE MOST STABLE THING" and it still brakes |
| 21:49.03 | don_jr__ | mfrisch it's reading package lists, is the last thing it shows, nothing after that |
| 21:49.14 | Ronin | want some cheese with that? |
| 21:49.26 | mfrisch | don_jr__: bad mirror maybe? |
| 21:49.27 | Azar | Omena-: no we break it, by installing junk after junk and never cleaning up |
| 21:49.51 | mfrisch | don_jr__: although it should have quite by now |
| 21:49.52 | Azar | Omena-: Debian has rules to be kept. You ingore learning the rules, game over |
| 21:49.53 | Omena- | i just used apt-get install, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:49.57 | don_jr__ | mfrisch maybe, guess I'll install and tell it not to grab the packages this time and manually get the rest....we'll see |
| 21:50.16 | Azar | Omena-: you ever cleaned up after xx installations? |
| 21:50.20 | rahul | mmm cheese |
| 21:50.22 | Omena- | what is that |
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| 21:50.25 | Omena- | cleaned up? |
| 21:50.35 | Omena- | no tutorial ever told me about that |
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| 21:50.43 | gnudo | has anyone here been able to install the released etch on a P120 or P133 with 64mb ram by performing a hard disk install? |
| 21:50.45 | rahul | I could use a good kashkaval right now |
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| 21:51.01 | gnudo | my question left you speechless! |
| 21:51.05 | Azar | Omena-: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 << read this |
| 21:51.07 | Ronin | rahul: settle for some no name cheddar? its all i ahve |
| 21:51.12 | rahul | bleh |
| 21:51.18 | Azar | Camambert |
| 21:51.24 | rahul | sharp cheddar, at least. |
| 21:51.27 | wintix | !tell rahul about anyone |
| 21:51.28 | mfrisch | gnudo: yes people have installed on less |
| 21:51.30 | rahul | camembert |
| 21:51.36 | Omena- | Azar the aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:51.40 | Azar | with live creatures in it |
| 21:51.42 | rahul | !tell wintix about penixstrike |
| 21:51.44 | Omena- | Azar it wants to do something cool |
| 21:51.51 | Ronin | rahul: extra old |
| 21:51.53 | rahul | eh, close enough |
| 21:52.00 | rahul | Ronin: moldy /= aged |
| 21:52.08 | bashologist | I installed the stable debian etch yesterday, but before I could I had to use certain boot options. What happend here? http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=28126_screenshot_122_1004lo.jpg |
| 21:52.10 | Azar | ok go for it, but remember: get the 2.6.18 linux-image immediately after dist-upgrade! |
| 21:52.11 | Omena- | Azar http://mureakuha.com/paste/?f6a4e43c89d3f7ca109697606ed8c62e |
| 21:52.11 | wintix | !ops rahul is an ass. |
| 21:52.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: rahul is an ass. |
| 21:52.20 | Azar | hahaha |
| 21:52.21 | Azar | ass |
| 21:52.27 | Azar | kik his nuts |
| 21:52.27 | rahul | assweasel |
| 21:52.29 | don_jr__ | does debian come standard with wireless capabilities for some cards? |
| 21:52.35 | cafuego | yes |
| 21:52.37 | rahul | don_jr__: yes |
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| 21:52.47 | don_jr__ | rahul great, I think it's reading my wireless....that rocks |
| 21:53.25 | Azar | Omena-: good, keep going, I gotta run to the dentist |
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| 21:53.36 | rahul | cafuego: HOT as hell. |
| 21:53.50 | Omena- | jesus im gonna end up installing it again |
| 21:53.50 | rahul | actually, I wasn't even being an ass. wtf. |
| 21:53.57 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 21:53.57 | Omena- | reinstalling the whole fucking system |
| 21:54.03 | Azar | rahul: at least be gentle |
| 21:54.12 | Azar | Omena-: yep |
| 21:54.13 | smacnay | rambo3: funny, I try to delete the non-existent initrd.img file and it reports the file isn't there. I try to update the current kernel's initrd with -u and it reports that the deleted kernel's initrd does not exist. For some reason, update-initramfs thinks I am in a non-existent kernel. |
| 21:54.19 | Omena- | im allmost fuckign had it with debian |
| 21:54.22 | Omena- | every 2 year |
| 21:54.25 | Omena- | it brakes so badly |
| 21:54.25 | Azar | Omena-: Etch has major changes so be patient |
| 21:54.26 | Ronin | then dont use it |
| 21:54.30 | Omena- | that i have to totaly reinstall everything |
| 21:54.34 | gnudo | mfrisch: thanks. i would like to hear from them. are of you one of them? |
| 21:54.39 | Omena- | I DIDNT EVEN WANNA UPDATE TO ETCH |
| 21:54.43 | Azar | Omena-: better things coming your way |
| 21:54.45 | Omena- | but the damn apt made me |
| 21:54.46 | Azar | oh |
| 21:54.54 | Omena- | like yestorday |
| 21:54.55 | Azar | I thought you want Etch |
| 21:55.00 | Omena- | i did dist-upgrade |
| 21:55.05 | Azar | why? |
| 21:55.06 | Omena- | and it offered me 400 packs |
| 21:55.09 | cafuego | Omena-: As I recall, you insisted on needing php5, so you wnet to etch. |
| 21:55.12 | Azar | why did you do dist-upgrade? |
| 21:55.19 | Omena- | its the way to update packs? |
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| 21:55.26 | Omena- | i always do it |
| 21:55.28 | mfrisch | gnudo: no. but people in hear boast that they installed on a 486 so I assume its possible. |
| 21:55.30 | krokas | i thinks it is was a bad idea to have a /stable source made. |
| 21:55.31 | RichiH | Omena-: if you dist-upgrade without checking, that is your fault |
| 21:55.33 | Omena- | to get most newest packets |
| 21:55.44 | Azar | Omena, Sarge will never "upgrade" packages just "patch" security updates |
| 21:55.54 | Ronin | RichiH: indeed |
| 21:55.57 | Azar | so, Omena you NEEDED Etch so be patient |
| 21:56.03 | RichiH | Omena-: put sarge in your seources.list instead of stable and you are good |
| 21:56.03 | stew | !why not dist-upgrade |
| 21:56.04 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 21:56.07 | Omena- | i dont wanna reinstall everything |
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| 21:56.32 | Azar | bah im going to the dentist, will be a pleasant time |
| 21:56.32 | stew | Omena-: what is wrong with running etch (the current stable)? |
| 21:56.33 | Szeraax | anyone wanna point me to how i can set the uid for something? |
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| 21:56.35 | smacnay | rambo3: I did look in the /etc/initramfs-tools dir and saw a few config files but nothing very helpful. |
| 21:56.39 | Omena- | stew my irssi looks funny |
| 21:56.44 | mfrisch | stew he is a upgrade horror story |
| 21:56.48 | RichiH | stew: the transistion, i presume |
| 21:56.50 | Ronin | Omena-: thats why? good god man |
| 21:56.51 | \amethyst | Szeraax: the uid owner of a file? man chown |
| 21:56.52 | rahul | Szeraax: "something" is wonderfully specific |
| 21:57.04 | Omena- | well i guess i could try restarting irssi |
| 21:57.05 | Omena- | lol |
| 21:57.07 | rahul | you run some command to change some thing |
| 21:57.13 | Azar | Omena spank yourself and relax, everything gonna be fine... |
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| 21:57.19 | Szeraax | no, of a process |
| 21:57.19 | stew | Omena-: can you be more specific? i wouldn't recommend resinatlling the entire os becuase you don't like the way irssi currently looks |
| 21:57.30 | Szeraax | (sorry, i meant to be more specific) |
| 21:57.41 | rahul | Szeraax: you launch it with su or sudo |
| 21:57.49 | Azar | stew: he is dist-upgrading and got scared how much the upgrade brings to his machine, thinking Debian is reinstalling |
| 21:57.53 | Omena- | http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4463/irssinv9.jpg |
| 21:57.57 | Omena- | thats my irssi |
| 21:58.02 | Omena- | and i dont like it |
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| 21:58.10 | Azar | bah remove it and reinstall it |
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| 21:58.19 | wintix | rahul: please accept my sincere apologies. i didn't mean to insult you. i mixed up your nick with someone i wanted to know about "anyone" and i didn't realise that "penixstrike" was really one of dpkgs factoids. i thought the guy i was just trying to help insulted me. sorry. |
| 21:58.21 | Omena- | im just gonna try restarting it |
| 21:58.21 | Szeraax | ok, what about a process that launches after some event? |
| 21:58.27 | Szeraax | (namely screen saver) |
| 21:58.34 | Azar | Omena-: finish the upgrade please |
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| 21:58.47 | Azar | made me spend one hour for nothing? finish! |
| 21:58.48 | \amethyst | Szeraax: you want the screensaver to run as a different user? why? |
| 21:58.55 | rahul | wintix: it's ok, I usually AM an ass, but you caught me in bad form |
| 21:58.57 | Omena- | well |
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| 21:58.58 | \amethyst | Szeraax: and man sudo, man sudoers |
| 21:58.59 | Szeraax | for it to run right |
| 21:58.59 | cafuego | !penixstrike wintix |
| 21:59.00 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking wintix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:59.04 | Omena- | i restarted irssi |
| 21:59.04 | \amethyst | Szeraax: wexplain |
| 21:59.04 | rahul | haha |
| 21:59.05 | Omena- | and it worked |
| 21:59.07 | mfrisch | Azar: I will help you hunt him down |
| 21:59.08 | stew | Omena-: type /quit ; then in the shell type "reset" |
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| 21:59.12 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 21:59.16 | \amethyst | Szeraax: How does it run wrong? |
| 21:59.18 | Azar | :) |
| 21:59.20 | Omena- | stew im not big fan of reboots |
| 21:59.24 | perlmonkey | i am setting up wifi security but i am clueless |
| 21:59.25 | Omena- | AT ALL |
| 21:59.31 | Azar | Omena-: you have dissapointed me BIG |
| 21:59.34 | stew | Omena-: i wouldn't recommen a reboot, just type "reset" in a shell |
| 21:59.34 | \amethyst | Omena-: reset isn't reboot |
| 21:59.35 | perlmonkey | is Wireless Access Control better than WEP? |
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| 21:59.46 | stew | Omena-: it will reset your terminal |
| 21:59.46 | cafuego | perlmonkey: No |
| 21:59.49 | \amethyst | Omena-: it just resets the terminal settings |
| 21:59.50 | Szeraax | i needs to access network and change things. (yes, i know it could be dangerous. i know it's safe) |
| 21:59.55 | Omena- | :< |
| 21:59.58 | Szeraax | it* |
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| 22:00.19 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: there is chillispot that is usually over kill. some people use a vpn for wifi conections |
| 22:00.25 | \amethyst | Szeraax: Change things like your network settings? |
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| 22:00.51 | Szeraax | ohhhh, duhhh i feel dumb |
| 22:00.51 | perlmonkey | stew: but someone told me in #networking its easy for a kid to crack WEP in 10 mins, but WAC is done by MAC address, so nobody can crack that right? |
| 22:00.51 | Szeraax | of course... |
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| 22:01.09 | stew | perlmonkey: i've never heard of WAC, but MAC addresses are simple to spoof |
| 22:01.11 | cafuego | perlmonkey: wirless access conteol usually means 'restricteing wireless access by MAc access'. However, mac addresses can be spoofed, and it still does *not* encrypt traffic. |
| 22:01.14 | dkr | perlmonkey: you can set your MAC to whatever you want |
| 22:01.16 | haggz | perlmonkey: i dont know the details, but theres nothing special about mac addresses |
| 22:01.18 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 22:01.30 | perlmonkey | bugger |
| 22:01.30 | Szeraax | i use kde. my screen saver is sonar (i dunno if gnome has it) it can map\ping my network with a sonar like screen |
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| 22:01.38 | perlmonkey | but.. |
| 22:01.39 | Szeraax | it's pretty cool |
| 22:01.40 | \amethyst | perlmonkey: WPA is a better alternative to WEP |
| 22:01.46 | dkr | Szeraax: that's part of xscreensavers package |
| 22:01.49 | stew | perlmonkey: if you are worried about security over wireless, run everything over ssh or a vpn |
| 22:01.50 | cafuego | perlmonkey: The ebst you can do these days with 802.1x authentication I think |
| 22:01.50 | Szeraax | i bet |
| 22:01.57 | Szeraax | yes then |
| 22:02.01 | perlmonkey | if someone is not on the mac list and they cant access your network, how they will know what to spoof? |
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| 22:02.06 | dkr | Szeraax: yeah, it plots their distanc eon the radar scope based on ping time. quite nifty |
| 22:02.13 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 22:02.18 | Szeraax | so i wanted to make it work |
| 22:02.18 | stew | perlmonkey: by listening to all the packets going over the wireless |
| 22:02.19 | cafuego | perlmonkey: They can sniff all traffic and see (not encrypted, rememebr?) |
| 22:02.20 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 22:02.25 | Szeraax | it says that it needs root to do it |
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| 22:02.46 | dkr | Szeraax: yeah, root privs are required to send icmp echo request (ping) packets |
| 22:02.51 | Szeraax | so i was wondering how i would do it |
| 22:02.56 | delight-net | just compiled basket 1.0.1 ... works nicely ... can someone hint me to a doku in a nutshell to build a deb package ... (hope its an kinda easy prozess) |
| 22:02.57 | Szeraax | there we go... |
| 22:02.57 | dondelelcaro | wintix: please don't abuse the ops factoid. |
| 22:03.06 | dkr | just make it suid, the same way the ping binary is |
| 22:03.11 | Szeraax | dkr: do you knwo how to set that up in the sudoers file? |
| 22:03.18 | perlmonkey | WEP 128 bit encryption is not good enough then? |
| 22:03.21 | Szeraax | (or where ever i would set that up?) |
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| 22:03.35 | cafuego | perlmonkey: No, it'll keep out mum & dad, tops. |
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| 22:03.42 | perlmonkey | phew :( |
| 22:04.12 | dkr | Szeraax: man sonar tells you the exact commands, just need to chown root and chmod u+s the sonar binary |
| 22:04.18 | Szeraax | ah |
| 22:04.20 | Szeraax | thanks |
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| 22:04.29 | wintix | dondelelcaro: i usually don't. that one above was based on a misunderstanding and i resolved the issue with rahul. won't happen again. |
| 22:04.43 | perlmonkey | is it even worth setting up WEP at all then, or should I focus on secure transport protocols as you said? |
| 22:04.44 | Szeraax | this will be the waste of the boring hours tonight... |
| 22:04.45 | Szeraax | :) |
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| 22:05.04 | cafuego | perlmonkey: Does your access point support wpa? |
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| 22:05.09 | kerframil | perlmonkey: WEP encryption can be cracked in mere minutes with freely available tools and a decent card (capable of injection). it borders on worthless. use WPA/WPA2 if possible. |
| 22:05.13 | perlmonkey | If I use NFS over wifi is there a more secure way? |
| 22:05.22 | \amethyst | err, doesn't sonar call an external ping program |
| 22:05.24 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 22:05.43 | perlmonkey | how secure is WPA then? |
| 22:05.50 | cafuego | perlmonkey: You can run encrypted a tunnels over wifi and wotk through those. |
| 22:06.01 | stew | perlmonkey: openvpn is very easy to setup (especially if you are used to working with ssl certs), just setup a vpn and only allow vpn users to mount NFS |
| 22:06.10 | kerframil | stew: I was just going to suggest openvpn ;) |
| 22:06.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 22:06.16 | kerframil | excellent tool |
| 22:06.19 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 22:06.37 | cafuego | perlmonkey: WPA is pretty good, it rotates keys, making it a lot hardeder tio crack (I've not heard of it being done routinely) |
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| 22:06.56 | perlmonkey | that sounds good |
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| 22:07.17 | cafuego | Put it this way, I use WPA and am not worried :-) |
| 22:07.28 | rahul | you should be worried |
| 22:07.29 | jeward | I recently dropped a MySQL 3.x database into a 4.x server. What rights is the debian-sys-maint user supposed to have? |
| 22:07.39 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 22:07.44 | rahul | very worried |
| 22:07.45 | perlmonkey | do not worry |
| 22:08.00 | rahul | THE PORTABLE MOSHPIT WILL BE IN ACTION SATURDAY! BE WORRIED! |
| 22:08.01 | perlmonkey | we have WPA we aint bovvered |
| 22:08.43 | Omena- | still havent got that php5 to work |
| 22:08.44 | Omena- | lol |
| 22:08.52 | Omena- | wonder how long i've been trying to get that |
| 22:08.53 | cafuego | perlmonkey: Of course, you WILL need a long key. |
| 22:08.58 | Omena- | like 6months now |
| 22:09.01 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 22:09.11 | perlmonkey | its askin me which keyformat to use, passphrase or hex |
| 22:09.19 | cafuego | perlmonkey: If you can be bothered, and the AP supports it, wpa enterprise 802.1x is nice. |
| 22:09.27 | perlmonkey | 64 characters is long enough? |
| 22:09.38 | stew | Omena-: be more specific, what are you trying to do, what errors are you gettting? |
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| 22:10.02 | perlmonkey | I dont even know to how to do hex, this is confusing |
| 22:10.10 | \amethyst | perlmonkey: depends on how much entropy is in the 64 characters |
| 22:10.12 | perlmonkey | i need a key generator eh |
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| 22:10.23 | cafuego | perlmonkey: hex is a 0-F (think html colour codes) string. |
| 22:10.29 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 22:10.42 | perlmonkey | so i can use a load of html hex colour codes back to back eh |
| 22:10.56 | Omena- | stew i dont know |
| 22:10.59 | cafuego | indeed |
| 22:11.03 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 22:11.03 | Omena- | nothing i guess :-D |
| 22:11.08 | cafuego | makes it nice and easy to remember too ;-) |
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| 22:11.11 | stew | Omena-: then what makes you think its not working? |
| 22:11.14 | perlmonkey | ya good idea |
| 22:11.15 | Omena- | i just thought PHP5 would be nice |
| 22:11.17 | cafuego | yellow, blue, red, red, green |
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| 22:11.25 | Omena- | but it wont install |
| 22:11.28 | Omena- | theres no candidate |
| 22:11.28 | cafuego | !rule 1 |
| 22:11.28 | dpkg | If it's not broken, don't fix it. |
| 22:11.32 | stew | Omena-: why won't it install? |
| 22:11.34 | cafuego | Omena-: See rule 1? |
| 22:11.35 | perlmonkey | I hope I dont get locked out |
| 22:11.39 | \amethyst | Hopefully you're not using cardinal red, blue, etc |
| 22:11.40 | leehambley | has anyone got a coool ~/.profile with some trick colouring ? |
| 22:11.42 | don_jr__ | perlmonkey lol yeah, you could write the code down beside yoru computer and no one will know, red, blue, purple, blue, black, red, orange....lmao |
| 22:11.55 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 22:12.06 | stew | Omena-: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy php5" into a pastebin? |
| 22:12.14 | perlmonkey | don_jr why are you laffin |
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| 22:12.55 | perlmonkey | random colours is a good idea I thought |
| 22:12.56 | don_jr__ | that's just funy, can write the code out in plain site and most folks wouldn't have a clue as to what it is |
| 22:13.11 | Omena- | suuure |
| 22:13.12 | perlmonkey | oh i see, so it's still a good idea then |
| 22:13.40 | Omena- | stew http://mureakuha.com/paste/?c926a40e23ba031824947547b534746a |
| 22:13.46 | don_jr__ | perlmonkey deffinatly a great idea, but if you need to write it down to remember it, just write the english words to the colors and no one knows...I found that commical |
| 22:13.47 | perlmonkey | a pass key in colours like a rainbow |
| 22:13.48 | Omena- | libapache-mod-php5 |
| 22:13.52 | Szeraax | dkr: Sweet, thanks |
| 22:14.06 | perlmonkey | hehe yes |
| 22:14.29 | eddy-boy | where to look for repositories for |
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| 22:14.44 | perlmonkey | isnt there a command that does that |
| 22:15.03 | stew | Omena-: what command where you running that told you there was no candidate? becuase that clearly shows a candidate |
| 22:15.29 | flixil | dancek: solved reinstalling packeds one at time two times (first time some package could not be configured because of other ones that have files deleted) |
| 22:15.35 | stew | Omena-: are you hoping to use php5 with apache? if so, apache or apache2? |
| 22:15.52 | Omena- | stew PHP5 and apache 1.3 |
| 22:15.57 | dkr | don_jr__: reminds me of someone saying they would scratch the combination to a lock on the back... in hex. and never been robbed. heh |
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| 22:15.59 | massctrl | hellow, is there a way to get a nice output of the bootproces when debian boots, with an [OK] next to the daemon/service that starts, instead of the clutter now? Gentoo and other distro's have these and it's really clear and clean I think |
| 22:16.14 | stew | Omena-: what happens when you run "aptitude install libapache-mod-php5" ? |
| 22:16.19 | leehambley | massctrl: look at frame buffers |
| 22:16.24 | mfrisch | massctrl: edit /etc/default/bootlog |
| 22:16.24 | flixil | don_jr__: what do you mean? |
| 22:16.33 | penguin | I couldnt boot into regular mode, I booted into single user mode and somehow that magically fixed the computer. |
| 22:16.45 | flixil | making a ofuscated perl script? |
| 22:16.46 | Omena- | stew No candidate version found for libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 22:16.48 | penguin | ??? |
| 22:16.58 | massctrl | mfrisch: I will have a look at it |
| 22:17.21 | mfrisch | massctrl: you want a boot screen not the logs. there are many. |
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| 22:17.29 | stew | Omena-: can you pasetbin the output of "apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php5" ? |
| 22:17.38 | stew | Omena-: have you run "aptitude update"? |
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| 22:17.51 | massctrl | mfrish: nono that's not what I mean, not this graphical boot screen |
| 22:18.03 | mfrisch | stew: his machine is patched together with duct tape and love ;-( |
| 22:18.07 | Omena- | stew http://mureakuha.com/paste/?c0a01ca9172b605ebb073fc3944a73c3 |
| 22:18.08 | penguin | On my computer at home, I installed Debian, then later I installed Vista, and now I have lost Debian, How to get it back? |
| 22:18.12 | don_jr__ | flixil what do I mean about what? |
| 22:18.27 | mfrisch | massctrl: ok then thats it. |
| 22:18.42 | massctrl | mfrish: I like thinks text based no framebuffer or other graphical stuff, but just a clean list of all services that are starting. Now it's just an unclear clutter I think |
| 22:18.50 | flixil | don_jr__: well nvm i didn't understood yo. sorry |
| 22:19.15 | stew | Omena-: do you have an /etc/apt/apt_preferences file? |
| 22:19.26 | mfrisch | massctrl: I think there is one that does not use fb. never needed it. |
| 22:19.27 | stew | Omena-: or an /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 22:19.36 | stew | Omena-: if so, can you provide their contents? |
| 22:19.42 | perlmonkey | don_jr: i have all my colors wrote down, I chose rather obscure ones ;P |
| 22:19.43 | penguin | Is there a way to get to this chatroom using windows? |
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| 22:19.50 | Omena- | lets see |
| 22:19.55 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: use crayons ;-) |
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| 22:19.59 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 22:20.08 | perlmonkey | i cant get crayons in these colours |
| 22:20.16 | perlmonkey | thats the downside of using obscure colors |
| 22:20.18 | penguin | I got to this chat before using windows, and now I forgot how I did it. |
| 22:20.21 | Omena- | stew i only have apt.cong |
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| 22:20.33 | Omena- | stew the apt.conf says APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
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| 22:21.19 | stew | Omena-: does "grep -r libapache-mod-php5 /etc/apt" return anything? |
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| 22:22.13 | Omena- | stew /etc/apt/preferences:Package: libapache-mod-php5 |
| 22:22.21 | stew | oops |
| 22:22.36 | stew | Omena-: can you put the contents of /etc/apt/preferences into the pastebin? |
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| 22:23.03 | stew | Omena-: looks like you were trying to mix sarge and etch previously? |
| 22:23.27 | Omena- | http://mureakuha.com/paste/?7c2ceeb9892dc0529c7fde7178b4dbc1 |
| 22:23.36 | mfrisch | stew: azar helped him for ever, he's all over. |
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| 22:24.09 | perlmonkey | I chose food colours |
| 22:24.16 | don_jr__ | where is my sources.list kept in debian? |
| 22:24.20 | perlmonkey | so my list of colours looks like a shopping list |
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| 22:24.26 | perlmonkey | don_jr smart eh ;-) |
| 22:24.27 | SquareGuy | Hey, long time Debian user here that just swapped to amd-64 after Etch going stable. Cannot compile Nvidia drivers because there is no 'gcc' installed. I do have gcc-4.1 installed. Do I need a symlink for gcc > gcc-4.1? |
| 22:24.34 | stew | Omena-: delete /etc/apt/preferences ; aptitude update ; aptitude install libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 22:24.58 | don_jr__ | perlmonkey |
| 22:25.01 | mfrisch | SquareGuy: did a aptitude build-essentials ? |
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| 22:25.05 | don_jr__ | lol I"m a dope today...sorry |
| 22:25.12 | ydiddyz | is it possible to watch hd dvds with linux yet? |
| 22:25.19 | Omena- | stew you mean rm |
| 22:25.20 | SquareGuy | mfrisch: oops hehe, 1 sec |
| 22:25.30 | Omena- | theres no delete command |
| 22:25.33 | ydiddyz | is it possible to watch hd dvds with linux yet? |
| 22:25.43 | perlmonkey | don_jr: are you on drugs |
| 22:25.44 | stew | Omena-: yes, i just meant, "hey Omena-, delete that file" |
| 22:25.46 | lontra | ydiddyz: stop repeating |
| 22:25.59 | ydiddyz | is it, lontra? |
| 22:26.06 | lontra | ydiddyz: google? |
| 22:26.14 | ydiddyz | i cant use google |
| 22:26.15 | perlmonkey | bugger i lost count of my hex now |
| 22:26.19 | perlmonkey | got to count all again |
| 22:26.19 | ydiddyz | i can only use port 6667 |
| 22:26.21 | don_jr__ | I can't find the package for KDE to install it..guess I'm gonna have to install xserver first eh? |
| 22:26.26 | ydiddyz | all other ports are blocked |
| 22:26.28 | ydiddyz | :( |
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| 22:27.17 | Omena- | stew looks like its installing |
| 22:27.40 | stew | Omena-: after it is finished, i'd recommend running "aptitude -f install" just for good measure |
| 22:27.47 | pop | when i run startx after fresh installation i get -> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: no such file or directory |
| 22:27.55 | Omena- | stew its like to resolve something |
| 22:28.13 | Omena- | do i let him resolve my depencies? |
| 22:28.23 | Omena- | well OFC! |
| 22:28.25 | stew | Omena-: you can also ditch the "sarge" lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and remove your /etc/apt/apt.conf ; then run aptitude update ; in the future you should NOT try to mix different debian releases |
| 22:28.38 | SquareGuy | Alright its time to kill X, thx. |
| 22:28.42 | stew | Omena-: yes, let "aptitude -f install" fix broken dependencies |
| 22:28.47 | Omena- | stew at this point |
| 22:28.53 | Omena- | i have no idea what im using |
| 22:29.12 | stew | Omena-: you are using etch, aka debian stable aka debian 4.0, as far as I can tell |
| 22:29.12 | Omena- | its a hybrid |
| 22:29.17 | Omena- | etch and stable |
| 22:29.25 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 22:29.29 | Omena- | 3.1 and 4.0 hybrid |
| 22:29.31 | stew | Omena-: etch is stable. I don't believe you are running a hybrid any longer |
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| 22:29.42 | perlmonkey | 64 characters cant divide by 6 |
| 22:29.51 | perlmonkey | i will have to have some garbage in also |
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| 22:29.59 | stew | Omena-: i bet you can't find a package on your system from sarge aka 3.1 |
| 22:30.02 | don_jr__ | how do I run things as su in debian? |
| 22:30.18 | stew | don_jr__: man su |
| 22:30.37 | cafuego | su - root -c some command |
| 22:31.09 | markybob | pop apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 22:31.38 | Omena- | porn.get |
| 22:31.46 | Omena- | porn-get! |
| 22:32.22 | perlmonkey | ha |
| 22:32.26 | Omena- | "apt-get moo" is the only thing that works |
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| 22:32.30 | Nebukadneza | hi |
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| 22:32.47 | ydiddyz | i Bhaal |
| 22:32.48 | ydiddyz | i love you |
| 22:32.50 | ydiddyz | :))))))))))))))) |
| 22:32.54 | ydiddyz | ggeegegege |
| 22:33.09 | kuribas | I did apt-get upgrade in debian-stable, but it seems that several packages are broken now. |
| 22:33.10 | Nebukadneza | i got some problems installing mzscheme on etch/stable. it ends up bumping "reference to undefined identifier: slib:features" up while "Cataloging SLIB routines..." (in setting up mzscheme) |
| 22:33.29 | perlmonkey | instead of numbers and barcodes and shit, we dont we use colours? |
| 22:33.34 | stew | kuribas: stable changed form sarge to etch on sunday |
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| 22:33.37 | haggz | kuribas: did you have a sarge install with "stable" in your apt sources? |
| 22:33.53 | dserban | can I remove discover1? |
| 22:33.56 | kuribas | haggz: I think so. |
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| 22:34.14 | perlmonkey | colours are easier to remember than passwords |
| 22:34.18 | stew | kuribas: did you actually install new stuff? or did you stop it before it installed anything? |
| 22:34.18 | bolt_ | Where can I get my timezone? |
| 22:34.31 | stew | bolt: tzconfig |
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| 22:34.48 | kuribas | stew: no, I just ran apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:35.12 | Omena- | so |
| 22:35.14 | stew | kuribas: and did you let it install new packages, or did you stop it before anything was installed, or did it exit with an error before doing anythign? |
| 22:35.16 | bolt | stew: hm.. timezone is correct, yet ntpd sets the clock on just this computer 2 hours too far ahead. any ideas? |
| 22:35.20 | Omena- | how do i get to use the php5 in my apache |
| 22:35.23 | Omena- | restart apache? |
| 22:35.29 | stew | bolt: are you in UTC+2 ? |
| 22:35.30 | kuribas | stew: no error |
| 22:35.41 | flixil | Good night pple |
| 22:35.43 | stew | kuribas: did you install a bunch of new packages? |
| 22:35.50 | bolt | stew: i think so, yes |
| 22:35.51 | stew | Omena-: yes |
| 22:35.58 | stew | bolt: do you dual boot with windows? |
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| 22:36.08 | Omena- | PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch1 |
| 22:36.15 | Omena- | oh nowai! |
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| 22:36.18 | bolt | stew: no. and I usually select gmt for my system clock, but the new debian 4.0 installer didn't ask |
| 22:36.18 | Omena- | cooL! |
| 22:36.21 | kuribas | stew: I tried installing new packages before I did apt-get upgrade. |
| 22:36.35 | Cara_WCAM_MSN | hi, i was thinking to install debian on my machine for the first time trying debian... is there a way to install base system only with GNOME? I don't want tons of software... |
| 22:36.45 | stew | bolt: the setting is in /etc/default/rcS check that you have UTC=yes |
| 22:37.27 | stew | kuribas: it sounds like you partially upgraded to etch, but i haven't gotten a straight answer to "did apt-get upgrade install new packages"? |
| 22:37.29 | opensores | Cara_WCAM_MSN: You can choose how much you want to install when you're doing it? |
| 22:37.36 | don_jr__ | I've never seen a GUI with aptitude like I have here, how do I tell it to install stuff?? |
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| 22:37.53 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 22:37.54 | bolt | stew: ah. that should do it. thanks. |
| 22:38.14 | piztek | yo can anyone help me? |
| 22:38.15 | Cara_WCAM_MSN | opensores: yes, but what i am saying is... i don't want to download 3 dvds |
| 22:38.45 | stew | Cara_WCAM_MSN: will your machine have access to the internet while installing? |
| 22:38.49 | piztek | since updating the auto login has stopped working for kde, I've tried resetting it, but i think something in gnome is causing the problem. |
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| 22:39.01 | kuribas | stew: I am not sure, I think it did. |
| 22:39.09 | massctrl | I there a way to make the boot process clearer than that it looks now? using line per line the name of the deamon/service that starts with next to it the status wether it started or not like. I think the boot process now is just a blob of unsctructured output. |
| 22:39.21 | haggz | don_jr_: if you open a terminal, you can use command line apt-get/aptitude commands. |
| 22:39.23 | stew | kuribas: then you are partially upgraded to etch, read the release notes to finish upgrading: /msg dpkg etch |
| 22:39.28 | don_jr__ | how do I get aptitude to install something? |
| 22:39.43 | Ronin | dancek: same as always aptitude install foo |
| 22:39.44 | piztek | since updating the auto login has stopped working for kde, I've tried resetting it, but i think something in gnome is causing the problem. |
| 22:40.03 | don_jr__ | haggz I don't have any type of GUI on the system, when I ran aptitude install X11-common it opened this GUI type thing where I can see packages, but it doesn't tell me how to mark them for installation. |
| 22:40.04 | opensores | Cara_WCAM_MSN: You can download as you're installing so you'd only need to initially download a small program. |
| 22:40.19 | stew | don_jr__: you can use it from the command line like "aptitude install packagename" or from the frontend, mark packages for installation with '+' or removal with '-' and hit 'g' to perform the actions you have selected |
| 22:40.27 | stew | don_jr__: consider reading /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 22:40.37 | don_jr__ | stew thank you very much, and I'll read that right now!! |
| 22:40.48 | stew | don_jr__: or hit '/ |
| 22:40.50 | stew | don_jr__: err |
| 22:41.00 | stew | don_jr__: hit '?' in the frontend for a reference |
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| 22:41.51 | haggz | don_jr_: i see, you are inside the curses aptitude, im surprised that launched from aptitude install FOO |
| 22:43.17 | piztek | since updating the auto login has stopped working for kde, I've tried resetting it, but i think something in gnome is causing the problem. |
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| 22:44.34 | don_jr__ | haggz yeah I installed from the netinst cd without getting anything from the net due to it freezing when I tried, lot's to install now |
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| 22:47.33 | don_jr__ | great, it's installing things now, let's hope it works when it's done |
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| 22:47.50 | Omena- | im trying to still figure out some cool FTPD |
| 22:48.39 | HostilePenguin | what the best way to get rid of transition packages? |
| 22:48.44 | rambo3 | i know ftpd that smokes , is that cool? |
| 22:48.49 | rambo3 | !e17 |
| 22:48.49 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
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| 22:52.15 | don_jr__ | OKay, when I try to install stuff it's telling me some packages are broken and need to be fixed, how do I fix them? |
| 22:52.35 | simonrvn | ap-tget -f install, first step |
| 22:52.38 | dondelelcaro | don_jr__: apt-get -f install; or use aptitude to fix them. |
| 22:52.41 | simonrvn | er, apt-get* |
| 22:53.18 | don_jr__ | dondelelcaro I am using aptitude I'm in some curses aptitude terminal GUI... |
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| 22:53.35 | perlmonkey | setting up WPA encryption in WinXP was easy as fuk, i hope Linux is as easy |
| 22:53.48 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: bwahahaha |
| 22:53.56 | perlmonkey | jelly-home :P |
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| 22:55.08 | perlmonkey | tmw I will try and do Linux and also VPN |
| 22:55.24 | perlmonkey | but thats enough for one night, at least my XP laptop is secure now |
| 22:55.33 | Ronin | perlmonkey: its turned off? |
| 22:55.45 | perlmonkey | Ronin: :P~ |
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| 22:55.51 | Omena- | *SQL Injects* |
| 22:56.00 | perlmonkey | more secure than it was before then ;-) |
| 22:56.14 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: isn't as hard as it might be. install wpa-supplicant, set up a line in /etc/network/interfaces and configure wpa-supplicant config file |
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| 22:57.00 | zor0 | how can I get a list of the actual files installed by apt for a given package? |
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| 22:57.10 | piztek | since updating the auto login has stopped working for kde, I've tried resetting it, but i think something in gnome is causing the problem. |
| 22:57.10 | rambo3 | !info wpagui |
| 22:57.12 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: but together with setting up drivers / firmware / etc... wireless in Linux is sure a PITA |
| 22:57.20 | dpkg | wpagui: (GUI for wpa_supplicant), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.0~cvs20070224-2 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
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| 22:57.30 | Debian21 | Hi, i am new to linux, have a overview question about x server and video card drivers. |
| 22:57.31 | Debian21 | When a vid card chipset is new to the market, does the x server that be x.org or xfree86 have to release a new x server? Or does the kernel handle this? |
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| 22:57.49 | perlmonkey | well, now I have a problem tmw to face which you guys may know how to handle. I have a fresh install of Deb on that laptop (XFCE iso) and a wifi card which is not supported in that install, I tried to install the module manually but something went wrong and it says its not rght.. any ideas how to get the module working? should I do a fresh install now from netinst iso..or? |
| 22:58.01 | theman | I have a job asleep as S+, what does the + mean and can I wake it up without killing/restarting it? |
| 22:58.28 | abrotman | perlmonkey: which module ? |
| 22:58.30 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: which card |
| 22:58.31 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: phew, tell me about it. I'm having major issues right now with driver + firmware |
| 22:58.34 | sniper | how can i have sid ? |
| 22:58.43 | abrotman | if you have ot ask .. you shouldn't |
| 22:58.48 | streuner | !tell sniper about sid faq |
| 22:59.01 | chops | Debian21: x.org handles it. Generally it's a matter of adding a driver rather than a whole new X server nowadays though. |
| 22:59.09 | sniper | abrotman, i mean, sid is not the next testing ? |
| 22:59.12 | abrotman | no |
| 22:59.14 | jelly-home | !sid |
| 22:59.15 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | sniper: you want lenny |
| 22:59.33 | sniper | :O |
| 22:59.38 | streuner | sniper: but wait 1-2 weeks before using it... |
| 22:59.43 | perlmonkey | well I had this card working fine before, it took some doing as I recall and I think I switched to this card after I already had networking right with another card (sensible way) but I no longer have any other card now, so no networking on this laptop. The card is a D-Link 650+ (acx100 driver) |
| 22:59.45 | sniper | i see lenny is next testing |
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| 23:00.01 | sniper | streuner, for use testing or unstable ? |
| 23:00.22 | Debian21 | chops, is that the differece between xfree86 and x.org? |
| 23:00.27 | streuner | you want stable |
| 23:00.37 | chops | Debian21: xfree86 is essentially dead |
| 23:00.38 | streuner | sniper: just use stable |
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| 23:01.03 | Omena- | wtf |
| 23:01.11 | Omena- | id like to get some good FTP server |
| 23:01.13 | chops | Debian21: x.org is more modular, as well as being still alive :-) |
| 23:01.19 | chops | Omena-: proftpd |
| 23:01.19 | Debian21 | chops, so did x.org and xfree86 handle the drivers the same why? |
| 23:01.29 | perlmonkey | maybe I should just buy a card that's better supported and reinstall? |
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| 23:01.40 | Omena- | ok |
| 23:01.41 | sniper | streuner, why ? |
| 23:01.42 | Debian21 | chops, is there a better x server then x.org |
| 23:01.47 | perlmonkey | why does deb not support wifi cards on the standard install? |
| 23:01.49 | sniper | i have etch |
| 23:01.53 | sniper | is now stable |
| 23:02.00 | don_jr__ | perlmonkey that would be the easiest wwway to handle it, but youmay be able to get it working with ndiswrapper if you want to try hard enough |
| 23:02.00 | sniper | but i want the latest packages ;P |
| 23:02.01 | yenno | hi, i installed asterisk on debian 3.1. it runned perfectly, but after the restart, i get this: "Unable to open pid file '/var/run/asterisk.pid': Permission denied" |
| 23:02.04 | zor0 | I just installed a debian package using apt, how can I see what files it installed? |
| 23:02.33 | streuner | zor0: man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 23:02.36 | don_jr__ | yenno looks like you need to fix the permissions on the file, not that I knwo how, but that's what it looks like |
| 23:02.41 | perlmonkey | I had no luck with ndiswrapper with this particular card as I recall :-/ |
| 23:02.47 | yenno | well i'm root :-/ |
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| 23:02.59 | perlmonkey | the card requires special firmware from TI |
| 23:02.59 | streuner | sniper: read what the bot told you |
| 23:03.14 | sniper | streuner, thx :D |
| 23:03.18 | don_jr__ | yenno hmmmm, not sure, that's just what it looks like... |
| 23:03.23 | rambo3 | or you could grab it from acx wiki |
| 23:03.24 | yenno | ok, thanks |
| 23:03.26 | perlmonkey | im screwed |
| 23:03.31 | abrotman | sniper: please use stable .. if in a few weeks you find you just can't bear dealing with it . ask us how to get to lenny |
| 23:03.47 | abrotman | !acx110 |
| 23:03.47 | dpkg | i heard acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:03.54 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you tried m-a ? |
| 23:04.02 | perlmonkey | thanks abrotman |
| 23:04.04 | concept10 | is the boot from LAN option in normal BIOS good for using TFTP/BOOTP type boots? |
| 23:04.10 | perlmonkey | what's m-a? |
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| 23:04.36 | abrotman | perlmonkey: m-a a-i acx100-source or m-a a-i acx100 .. whichever it is |
| 23:04.39 | zor0 | streuner: ah, didn't realize dpkg was that flexible, I'm used to doing everything through apt, which doesn't seem to give me that info |
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| 23:04.55 | BUMBACL0T | anyone here using denyhost? im wondering how can i make it autostart everytime i turn my system on |
| 23:05.08 | Debian21 | Does x.org and xfree86 handle vid drivers the same why? |
| 23:05.13 | streuner | zor0: dpkg -L <package>, but read man dpkg as well |
| 23:05.20 | concept10 | BUMBACL0T, make what autostart? |
| 23:05.48 | BUMBACL0T | concept10, denyhosts |
| 23:05.51 | perlmonkey | oh yes, i have gone to that stage now and i installed the driver from source, but I had a lot of shit missin which meant I had to apt-get install -d lots of packages onto a cdrw in order to install that driver module. but I think some version differences caused a bad module :-/ |
| 23:05.53 | zor0 | streuner: yeah, I just found that, turns out the package name is a bit misleading |
| 23:06.02 | perlmonkey | anyway my laptop does not like the module and refuses to load it |
| 23:06.06 | Omena- | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 23:06.09 | Omena- | WHY? |
| 23:06.11 | streuner | zor0: apt-get is the tool which manage to bring packages to your system, dpkg to manipulate and install them... |
| 23:06.21 | Ronin | Omena-: man proftpd |
| 23:06.25 | concept10 | BUMBACL0T, maybe look into the wiki |
| 23:06.29 | Ronin | or thier url, its covered |
| 23:06.34 | BUMBACL0T | concept10, i looked |
| 23:06.37 | Omena- | what |
| 23:06.49 | zor0 | streuner: I'm not a n00b, I just avoid getting into the nitty gritty of package management and wasn't clear as to the dpkg/apt layering and what handles what |
| 23:06.52 | Omena- | this is bullshit |
| 23:06.57 | Ronin | Omena-: either read man profupd or go to thier website |
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| 23:07.08 | zor0 | streuner: turns out that the package name follows debian conventions, but looks like a library it isn't |
| 23:07.12 | Ronin | even if i cant spell proftpd |
| 23:07.16 | concept10 | Im trying to figure out the best way to install debian over another distro using tftp or something similar |
| 23:07.18 | Omena- | how the the heck am i supposed to fix it if it does not tell WHAT is wronf |
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| 23:07.30 | Omena- | the error is like "SOMETHING IS WRONG" |
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| 23:07.42 | Omena- | well i say NICE DEBUG MESSAGES YOU HAVE |
| 23:07.47 | Ronin | it told you to check your config |
| 23:07.51 | Omena- | i checked |
| 23:07.56 | Omena- | it looks ok |
| 23:07.57 | Ronin | then you missed something |
| 23:08.07 | Ronin | did you read man proftpd and/or thier website? |
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| 23:08.25 | Omena- | manual didnt have anything cool |
| 23:08.47 | Omena- | gonna go rape their webpage |
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| 23:09.18 | don_jr__ | I can't find the KDE in aptitude. only openoffic for kde.... |
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| 23:09.37 | abrotman | don_jr__: aptitude install kde ? |
| 23:10.00 | DavidProck1981 | hay im ting to install flash player 9 for seamonkey, so where would i tell it to install |
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| 23:10.06 | Omena- | - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost.localdomain' error: Name or service not known |
| 23:10.17 | DavidProck1981 | what path |
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| 23:10.30 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/proftpd/README.Debian |
| 23:10.57 | robin_sz | so, my Sarge to Etch upgrade went OK, except, of course, Apache2 doesn't |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | doesn't? |
| 23:11.19 | jelly-home | it just doesn't. |
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| 23:11.36 | robin_sz | yeah. that. :) |
| 23:11.53 | don_jr__ | okay, how do I make myself root? |
| 23:12.02 | DavidProck1981 | su root |
| 23:12.12 | don_jr__ | thanks alot |
| 23:12.13 | CaT[tm] | or you buy a carrot-suit. |
| 23:12.14 | jelly-home | su - |
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| 23:12.34 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: more than likely .. /usr/lib/seamonkey/plugins/ .. or similar |
| 23:12.46 | DavidProck1981 | thqanks |
| 23:13.22 | don_jr__ | I don't even have nano....... |
| 23:13.28 | Debian21 | Does anyone know of a good website to describe x.org x server? |
| 23:13.51 | don_jr__ | yes I do...where is the sources.list held again? |
| 23:14.09 | zor0 | debian21: x.org ? |
| 23:14.14 | haggz | don_jr: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:14.17 | CaT[tm] | don: find /etc -name sources.list |
| 23:14.19 | Omena- | ok theres gotta be a bug |
| 23:14.23 | Omena- | i write proftpd |
| 23:14.26 | Omena- | it echos nothing |
| 23:14.29 | Omena- | and starts nothing |
| 23:14.43 | Omena- | proftpd | ps aux | grep ftp |
| 23:14.45 | Omena- | nothing |
| 23:14.51 | robin_sz | it seems apache2 can't load its Apache2.pm module for tis mod perly thing |
| 23:14.58 | Omena- | what is this shit |
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| 23:15.01 | Omena- | why wont it start |
| 23:15.07 | jelly-home | Omena-: that's not the way to do it |
| 23:15.08 | don_jr__ | haggz CaT[tm] thank you, now to find other repo's? any suggestions? |
| 23:15.42 | Omena- | :F |
| 23:15.43 | Omena- | what is |
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| 23:15.52 | jelly-home | Omena-: /etc/init.d/proftpd start ? |
| 23:15.55 | Agiofws | hello |
| 23:16.15 | robin_sz | it seems someting has gone amiss with the Sarge to Etch upgrade for Apache2 with mod-perl ... its using Request Tracker, so that dependency should have been spotted |
| 23:16.27 | Debian21 | zor0, you would think, right? But i can not find a basic works for x.org for dumbies like me. |
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| 23:16.54 | Omena- | ok |
| 23:16.57 | Omena- | seriosly |
| 23:17.00 | Omena- | this shit does not work |
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| 23:17.23 | haggz | don_jr_: you probably just want your sources set to etch main contrib non-free from a good mirror based on your location |
| 23:17.34 | robin_sz | Omena-, can I make a suggestion? |
| 23:17.40 | jelly-home | Omena-: try some other shit. vsftpd |
| 23:17.50 | Omena- | ok |
| 23:17.54 | Omena- | tryed now 3 |
| 23:18.22 | zor0 | debian21: what information are you looking for? |
| 23:18.23 | Omena- | thse ftpd:s really suck |
| 23:18.32 | jelly-home | Omena-: your problems descriptions are sadly lacking |
| 23:18.35 | abrotman | Omena-: then don't use them |
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| 23:18.51 | zor0 | debian21: if you're new to open source, one problem is that things are divided up much smaller than on windows/osx at the lower level |
| 23:19.10 | Debian21 | zor0, i am looking for how x.org works from a high level. |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | Debian21: they have a decent wiki |
| 23:19.28 | zor0 | debian21: ok, thats what x.org is gonna tell you |
| 23:19.29 | pppoe_dude | hi... does the debian netinst work with a wireless connection? I need to authenticate via a web browser, so i might need to use a text-based browser or such,.. would that be possible? |
| 23:19.35 | don_jr__ | Are there only these 2 repo's that need to be here or are there others for etch I should have?? I only have security.debian.org |
| 23:19.47 | abrotman | don_jr__: where are your sources? did you paste them yet? |
| 23:19.48 | haggz | don_jr_: aha, you need more than just security, one sec |
| 23:20.06 | abrotman | haggz: he does have more than two |
| 23:20.09 | abrotman | erm .. more than one |
| 23:20.15 | abrotman | don_jr__: paste your sources |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:20.52 | don_jr__ | no I havn't, I have 2 repo's security.debian.org etch/updates, one is just deb the other is deb-src |
| 23:20.52 | Debian21 | zor0, ok i will look some more. |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | don_jr__: hold on .. |
| 23:21.03 | pppoe_dude | or alternatively, is there a way i can download just the packages i want and make a CD? (an easy way) |
| 23:21.06 | zor0 | debian21: also, just google "x.org tutorial" or similar, theres lots of unofficial docs out there |
| 23:21.16 | jelly-home | don_jr__: you should have something like /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 23:21.29 | Omena- | makes me really wonder why linux FTP has to suck so much |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | don_jr__: http://channels.debian.net/paste/6047 |
| 23:21.34 | Omena- | you can only share home dirs |
| 23:21.36 | perlmonkey | is firewire different to usb? |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | Omena-: it doesn't |
| 23:21.46 | zor0 | debian21: but x.org is basically a server, it accepts connections from "clients" (applications on your system) and usually connects to a display device (your video card) |
| 23:21.46 | Omena- | theres actually no user support |
| 23:21.46 | don_jr__ | abrotman thanks |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | FTP sucks .. but linux ftp isn't any different |
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| 23:21.51 | Omena- | only unix user support |
| 23:21.57 | abrotman | what? |
| 23:22.05 | Omena- | i just wanna share my /var/www |
| 23:22.06 | aguynamedbe1 | scp > ftp |
| 23:22.26 | abrotman | Omena-: that is a HORRIBLE idea |
| 23:22.27 | Omena- | yea id use scp |
| 23:22.46 | xxl3w | I'm having problems with my refresh rate for my widescreen monitor. When i try to startx with my resolution as 1440 x 900, my display is extremely dim, but if i turn my resolution down, then switch it back, it looks great |
| 23:22.50 | Omena- | ic |
| 23:22.50 | Debian21 | zor0, thanks |
| 23:22.54 | Omena- | maybe not then |
| 23:22.55 | pppoe_dude | or, altenatively, is DVD-1 sufficient to install a gnome-environment? |
| 23:22.59 | robin_sz | OK, so dpkg claims libapache2-mod-perl2 is installed correctly, but, it seems it has placed Apache2.pm in a rather odd place, not referenced by Perl's @INC |
| 23:23.05 | dvs | pppoe_dude: yes |
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| 23:23.09 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: certainly should be |
| 23:23.19 | xxl3w | someone told me i had to find the vertical/hori. refresh rates for my monitor and manually put them in xorg.conf. well, i did that. then someone told me to totally take that part out of xorg.conf and it'll ask your monitor what the best rate is |
| 23:23.24 | xxl3w | well, i tried both and i'm still having an issue |
| 23:23.28 | pppoe_dude | does it come with the new installer? |
| 23:23.47 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: the graphical isntaller is framebuffer gtk |
| 23:23.50 | xxl3w | does anyone have any idea how i can get this to work? |
| 23:23.50 | xxl3w | does |
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| 23:24.11 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, and it comes by default with dvd-1 right? |
| 23:24.20 | abrotman | i believe so .. |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: don't you have broadband |
| 23:24.27 | robin_sz | it seems Apache2.pm is in /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/Apache2.pm .. which isnt part of @INC |
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| 23:24.34 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, i do, but i need to authenticate via web first |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | ew |
| 23:24.39 | pppoe_dude | its a wireless dealy |
| 23:24.47 | karsten | What is "buffers" in 'free' reporting, as ing buffers/cache (cache is disk cache i know). |
| 23:24.49 | haggz | don_jr_: do you have something like deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib in your sources, or only the security.debian servers? |
| 23:25.29 | abrotman | haggz: he already has it |
| 23:25.40 | abrotman | karsten: kernel stuff AIUI |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | !free |
| 23:25.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 23:25.47 | don_jr__ | haggz I have something like that now, I only HAD the security.debian servers, now I have 2 ftp.us.debian servers aswell, and I'll add the main non-free now |
| 23:25.47 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | don_inlab: you dn't need non-free/contrib .. they're extras |
| 23:26.23 | abrotman | erm .. don_jr__ |
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| 23:26.52 | don_jr__ | what does it mean when it tells me 'Couldn't stat source package' |
| 23:27.01 | dalias | *sigh* libpoppler v5 is taking forever to get into unstable :( |
| 23:27.07 | dalias | and thus no epdfview on debian :( |
| 23:27.21 | Debian21 | How would i uninstall xfree86 and install x.org? another question is can you have both install at the same time? |
| 23:27.33 | dalias | i'm pretty sure they conflict |
| 23:27.34 | abrotman | don_jr__: comment out the deb-src line for the security repo |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | Debian21: don't you have etch ? |
| 23:27.50 | don_jr__ | abrotman |
| 23:27.53 | don_jr__ | abrotman ok |
| 23:28.04 | Debian21 | sarge installed |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | did you just install ? |
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| 23:28.35 | Debian21 | abrotman, maybe about 2 weeks ago |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | !tell Debian21 about sarge->etch |
| 23:28.52 | don_jr__ | abrotman I just installed from the netinst.iso and for some reason it kept hanging up on me when I tried to get things from teh net durringinstall, so I"m having to find it all manually |
| 23:29.15 | concept10 | Why would DHCP fail to start on boot? Where should I start looking ? When I run dhclient everything comes up fine. |
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| 23:29.27 | dvs | don_jr__: ...or get the entire CDs ro DVDs |
| 23:29.37 | Debian21 | abrotman, will that take me from 3.0 r4 to 4.0 with problems? |
| 23:29.43 | abrotman | don_jr__: what country are you in ? |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | Debian21: hopefully |
| 23:29.59 | don_jr__ | dvs I am in the US, I downloaded the 1 netinstall .iso cd |
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| 23:30.04 | dkr | concept10: /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
| 23:30.19 | abrotman | don_jr__: which state ? |
| 23:30.23 | Debian21 | abrotman, :) i will try |
| 23:30.36 | Debian21 | abrotman, did it work for you? |
| 23:30.39 | dvs | don_jr__: and I'm saying that instead of manually searching for all the packages you want, you could download the first DVD or the first few CDs |
| 23:30.44 | abrotman | Debian21: i did it a long time ago .. |
| 23:30.46 | don_jr__ | abrotman I'm in kansas |
| 23:30.53 | don_jr__ | dvs I dont' have a dvd burner |
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| 23:31.18 | concept10 | dkr, thanks for the reminder. For some reason dhcp wasnt put there during config |
| 23:31.27 | abrotman | don_jr__: instead of ftp.us.debian.org ... use ftp.egr.msu.edu |
| 23:31.27 | don_jr__ | at least I"M getting xserver and kde now! Thanks for the help with repo's |
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| 23:31.43 | dudeman | rahul |
| 23:31.46 | don_jr__ | abrotman thanks for thatinfo, I'll write it down, but it's already started |
| 23:31.56 | rahul | yo |
| 23:32.01 | don_jr__ | abrotman or will it hurt to stop it now and change it? |
| 23:32.06 | dudeman | i just left u a message on voicemail |
| 23:32.07 | rahul | was just listening to your message |
| 23:32.08 | dudeman | call me |
| 23:32.09 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:32.09 | dudeman | hah |
| 23:32.10 | dudeman | word |
| 23:32.15 | rahul | heh |
| 23:32.28 | rahul | switched to this chan and right there is you |
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| 23:32.38 | don_jr__ | abrotman how do I stop it? ctrl c? |
| 23:32.39 | dudeman | i just got my phone/net/tv hooked up |
| 23:32.40 | rahul | we're gonna do portable mosh pit saturday |
| 23:32.46 | rahul | cool |
| 23:32.50 | Sph3re- | anyidea when i launch vncserver it only launches an x-session with gnome-terminal instead of my full desktop ? |
| 23:32.51 | dudeman | msg dude |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | /msg ? |
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| 23:33.16 | rahul | we need a #debian-social-nyc :P |
| 23:33.19 | dudeman | lol |
| 23:33.39 | abrotman | rahul: for all three of you ? |
| 23:33.41 | rahul | heh |
| 23:33.43 | rahul | yes! |
| 23:33.58 | don_jr__ | rahul make the channel.....that's the freedom of IRC |
| 23:33.58 | rahul | well, we'll see how many of us there are on sunday |
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| 23:34.17 | rahul | don_jr__: yeah, but I want someone else to be responsible :P |
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| 23:34.44 | dudeman | HAH! |
| 23:34.58 | dudeman | YES! etch released wowza! i love you guys |
| 23:35.04 | dudeman | really i do |
| 23:35.20 | rahul | dudeman: sunday is the NYC release party |
| 23:35.27 | DawnLight | is setting up a boot splash simple? |
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| 23:35.42 | dudeman | DawnLight u mean like a custom bios thing |
| 23:35.44 | rahul | it's gonna be like IRC. I'll be drunk and rowdy and everyone else will be chuckling politely |
| 23:35.53 | dudeman | DawnLight or debian bootsplash |
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| 23:36.34 | dudeman | oh motherfucker |
| 23:36.44 | dudeman | no identify, rahul got none of mymsg |
| 23:36.48 | dudeman | heh |
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| 23:37.22 | rahul | haha |
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| 23:37.25 | rahul | you tool |
| 23:37.30 | dudeman | :D |
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| 23:37.46 | xxl3w | does anyone know where to find a good tutorial on how to setup a HD monitor on a ATI 9600 card? |
| 23:37.49 | DavidProck1981 | any one know how i can fix the problem of not being able to play a store bought DVD Movie, I get a message about libdvdcss |
| 23:38.03 | xxl3w | i've tried manually entering the sync rates and totally removing the ver/hor lines from xorg.conf |
| 23:38.05 | xxl3w | neither worked |
| 23:38.06 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about libdvdcss |
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| 23:38.59 | DawnLight | dudeman: a... an image when linux is starting |
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| 23:39.35 | concept10 | gosh, whenever I watch videos of talks, I always want to reach into the screen and tell the guy thats coughing to shut the fuck up |
| 23:40.51 | indarios | How long on a modern computer, would it take to install debian including X, Gnome, and some other apps? Also does It give access to the kernel source so I can compile It to my liking? |
| 23:41.08 | don_jr__ | indarios couple hours |
| 23:41.09 | abrotman | depends on your bandwidth |
| 23:41.10 | mphill | i've downloaded two ISOs from different servers and both complain about invalid Release files, what gives?! |
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| 23:41.49 | haggz | indarios: standard debian install does not install the source for all the packages, but the source is available from the repos |
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| 23:41.58 | aliosha | go net_install |
| 23:42.13 | aliosha | it s the best choice |
| 23:42.28 | abrotman | !tell indarios about kp |
| 23:42.47 | indarios | Well I'm looking for a distro that I can install quickly, like Ubuntu, but i want some thing more powerful |
| 23:42.51 | DawnLight | dudeman? |
| 23:42.54 | don_jr__ | aliosha I tried that and it kept freezing up everytime I chose a mirror |
| 23:42.59 | doschdn | hi.. what is the difference between a businesscard install and an installation using debootstrap? what packages am i missing if i use debootstrap? |
| 23:43.02 | dudeman | sorry, phone, busy... |
| 23:43.09 | mphill | indarios, define "more powerful" |
| 23:43.22 | mphill | linux is whatever you install... |
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| 23:44.03 | aliosha | chose a sever in your contry |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | doschdn: the buscard requires the internet to install .. so does debootstrap .. the netinst does not |
| 23:44.11 | BUMBACL0T | hey, let's say i have this program, where can i enter a line or something to make it run automatically when my pc is turned on? |
| 23:44.19 | BUMBACL0T | /etc/rc.local? |
| 23:44.24 | DawnLight | is it simple to set up a boot splash image? i mean an image that shows when linux starts up with a progress bar |
| 23:44.29 | abrotman | !tell BUMBACL0T about rc.local |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | !tell BUMBACL0T about run at startup |
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| 23:44.54 | indarios | Well im used to Gentoo, but unfortunately i need a os that can install in a hour or less.. but i dont want to sacerfice the ability to.. easily configure files and the kernel.. i guess i want total control over the system still in the shell and not worry about using the gui |
| 23:45.11 | indarios | and it needs to be solid.. as its for a server |
| 23:45.19 | aliosha | bootsplash = compil kernel |
| 23:45.20 | abrotman | indarios: it would take me an hour .. it might take you more .. i have good bandwidth and a decently fast machine |
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| 23:45.31 | haggz | indarios: use netinstall, install the minimal system and then build-essential and whatever else you need for your compilation environment, then just get source for whatever you want to add/recompile. I think debian is well suited to your stated needs. |
| 23:45.54 | indarios | thats what i was hoping |
| 23:46.03 | indarios | thanks a lot |
| 23:46.23 | doschdn | abrotman: i installed etch using businesscard and it uses about 600mb diskspace. now i installed some xen domU's using xen-tools and they use only ~300mb |
| 23:46.30 | abrotman | it does what ? |
| 23:46.38 | indarios | im working for a guy that uses Houdini for animation, its pretty neat |
| 23:46.41 | don_jr__ | will beryl work on kde in debian or is that a kubuntu thing? |
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| 23:46.47 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 23:46.48 | dpkg | methinks beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 23:46.52 | mphill | doschdn, how much ram is your default install using about for dom0 |
| 23:47.09 | don_jr__ | abrotman thanks |
| 23:47.40 | doschdn | free -m says 279mb used |
| 23:50.19 | robin_sz | so, no clues as to what wen twrong with Apache2 and mod-perl in the Sarge to Etch update then???? |
| 23:50.30 | DawnLight | aliosha: what if i already have an image working at startup and i want to have a different one. will that be complicated? |
| 23:52.00 | don_jr__ | how do I make a bash script to aptitude update && aptitude upgrade as su? |
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| 23:52.29 | doschdn | another problem: i'm hiding my pci tv card from dom0 etch using pciback.hide on the kernel command line, but etch loads the driver anyway. what am i doing wrong? :/ |
| 23:52.57 | doschdn | don_jr__: u probably want to use sudo |
| 23:53.18 | DawnLight | is changing the bootsplash image simple? |
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| 23:53.37 | don_jr__ | doschdn okay sure, I don't know how to make a script in the first place, let alone anything else, I can use sudo to run the script, how do I create the script? =) |
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| 23:54.13 | haxality | hello, I'm having a problem getting my ipw2100 wireless card working. |
| 23:54.20 | aliosha | for bootsplash = new kernel |
| 23:54.20 | haxality | do I need to install firmware or something? |
| 23:54.35 | Wyzard | doschdn: Are you sure you specified the right PCI ID? |
| 23:54.49 | Wyzard | haxality: Yes, you need firmware, from ipw2100.sourceforge.net IIRC |
| 23:54.56 | haxality | ty :) |
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| 23:55.11 | doschdn | don_jr__ what should the script do? |
| 23:55.25 | haxality | I must say... etch is actually really nice |
| 23:55.26 | don_jr__ | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 23:55.30 | doschdn | Wyzard yes, dmesg also says that the devices got hidden :/ |
| 23:55.44 | doschdn | pciback 0000:03:00.1: seizing device |
| 23:55.46 | amphi | haxality: put the fw in /lib/firmware & modprobe the module, and it should work |
| 23:55.54 | haxality | awesome |
| 23:55.58 | Wyzard | doschdn: then having the module loaded should be harmless -- it won't be able to bind to the device |
| 23:56.08 | Wyzard | doschdn: Maybe you have the module mentioned in /etc/modules or something? |
| 23:56.09 | doschdn | 03:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| 23:56.15 | doschdn | nope |
| 23:56.43 | amphi | haxality: not the tarball, the .fw files it contains, BTW ;) |
| 23:56.57 | Wyzard | doschdn: Actually, it may be that the driver is loading *before* pciback gets to hide it, in which case you need to blacklist that module |
| 23:57.04 | haxality | haha of course |
| 23:57.05 | nn_ | is there a program that will grab data being dumped to a running device and dump it to stdout |
| 23:57.29 | amphi | haxality: if you need to know your module version for the correct fw version, 'modinfo ipw2100' should tell you |
| 23:57.30 | nn_ | if so what is it |
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| 23:58.08 | doschdn | Wyzard i'll try that, but i hoped there was a debian way to tell it not to load drivers for hidden devices :| but thanks :) |
| 23:58.16 | haxality | ah |
| 23:58.23 | haxality | didn't know the FW version mattered, good to know |
| 23:58.23 | haxality | haha |
| 23:58.43 | haxality | so I want the same version FW as the module, right? |
| 23:58.46 | Dave|id | got a debian server running on a actual server ( it is not a virtual server) and it seems to be gaining an extra 2.5 seconds for every 30 seconds that pass in real time... why would this be? |
| 23:59.07 | Dave|id | at this rate i will need a minute cronjob to sync it |
| 23:59.10 | amphi | it may not, perhaps you should use the latest version - the fw or driver page should have that info |
| 23:59.17 | amphi | haxality: ^^^ |
| 23:59.19 | haxality | heh |
| 23:59.32 | haxality | well, it's the newest version of the FW AND it's the same as the module version. |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | Dave|id: there's a way you can adjust that |
| 23:59.34 | haxality | so I'm set |
| 23:59.37 | haxality | my other question |
| 23:59.38 | Wyzard | doschdn: How is blacklisting not a "Debian way"? |
| 23:59.51 | haxality | the tarball only had a bunch of .c and .h files |
| 23:59.58 | amphi | haxality: but no, the version numbers are not related, at least not with ipw2200 which I have here |
