| 00:00.10 | amphi | haxality: that's the module not the fw |
| 00:00.17 | haxality | ohhhh. |
| 00:00.19 | haxality | of course. |
| 00:00.21 | Wyzard | doschdn: If my guess is correct, the issue is that the device is detected, and the driver loaded, before the hiding takes effect |
| 00:00.23 | haxality | haha one second |
| 00:00.26 | haxality | I'm having an off day |
| 00:00.28 | doschdn | Wyzard i thought about removing some lines in the udev configurations or so :D i don't know how debian is doing the hardware detection |
| 00:00.31 | Dave|id | abrotman: any ideas how? |
| 00:00.35 | amphi | haxality: the fw page should be linked from the driver page |
| 00:00.42 | abrotman | there's a drift file .. i think you can use that |
| 00:00.54 | haxality | amphi, found it |
| 00:01.03 | doschdn | Wyzard in dmesg the driver gets loaded after pciback is telling me about the hidden devices |
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| 00:01.32 | Wyzard | doschdn: I'm looking in modprobe.d in my Xen box, though, and I don't see any directives for blacklisting the Ethernet card which I hide with pciback |
| 00:01.48 | haxality | aha |
| 00:01.52 | haxality | there are the imfamous .fw files |
| 00:01.57 | haxality | infamous, even |
| 00:01.58 | haxality | one sec |
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| 00:02.07 | piztek | since updating the auto login has stopped working for kde, I've tried resetting it, but i think something in gnome is causing the problem. |
| 00:02.18 | Wyzard | doschdn: Try updating your initramfs -- it's just a guess, but I've found that module-related configuration stuff sometimes gets "cached" in there |
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| 00:02.27 | haxality | awesome! |
| 00:02.30 | Wyzard | doschdn: such that the initramfs will load a module at boot time even if the "real" system wouldn't have |
| 00:02.38 | DawnLight | is there a script/program that makes changing the bootsplash image simple? |
| 00:02.39 | haxality | thanks a lot, amphi, that was probably the most painless thing I have ever done |
| 00:02.41 | doschdn | good idea :) |
| 00:02.52 | dudeman | i need to buy wireless card with excellent linux support/debian etc |
| 00:02.55 | dudeman | any suggessions |
| 00:03.11 | Wyzard | doschdn: and of course, the real test is whether the device actually shows up and works in the domU |
| 00:03.17 | georgem | Does the "Users and Groups" admin utility (/usr/bin/users-admin) crash for anyone else on x86_64 4.0r0? It crashes everytime I try to add a user. |
| 00:03.20 | abrotman | Dave|id: google "ntp drift file" .. should give you something to start with (or tell me it's totally wrong) |
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| 00:03.50 | Wyzard | doschdn: On my Xen box, where the hiding of that Ethernet card does work -- it's used by the router domU which this IRC session is going through -- the hidden card *does* show up in lspci on dom0 |
| 00:05.02 | doschdn | Wyzard i was looking at the sysfs in domU and it didn't show anything in the pci folder, but i'll try updating the initramfs and tell you if it worked :) |
| 00:05.03 | Wyzard | doschdn: though the module doesn't get loaded, and I'm not entirely sure why my system is different from yours in that regard |
| 00:05.15 | mfrisch | abrotman: I got a specific ntp question I got a ntpd running on my router. If I use ntpdate to update it on my workstation it works but when I use ntp it does nothing. Do I need to set something special for ntp on the workstation to make it work right? |
| 00:05.22 | nn_ | is there a program that will grab data being dumped device and dump it to stdout if so what is its name |
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| 00:06.07 | abrotman | tee ? |
| 00:06.12 | abrotman | mfrisch: hold on |
| 00:06.16 | Wyzard | doschdn: You have to use "pci=" in the domU's config file for it to get access to the device |
| 00:06.34 | georgem | dudeman: I've had really good luck with cards using Ralink chipsets. Ralink's drivers are completly open source. http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html |
| 00:06.43 | dudeman | nice |
| 00:06.45 | dudeman | thanks |
| 00:07.02 | doschdn | pci=['03:00.0','03:00.1','03:00.2','03:00.4'] thats my pci line |
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| 00:07.18 | doschdn | maybe i should add 0000: in front of every entry? |
| 00:07.24 | Wyzard | no, that should work |
| 00:07.30 | haxality | hate to be bugging you guys, but I was also wondering how hard it would be to get the scroll strip on my laptop's touchpad working |
| 00:07.57 | haxality | I already have a working ubuntu distro on the same HDD, is it possible that it's just some xorg.conf settings I can copy over? |
| 00:08.49 | doschdn | hmm, well i did an update-initramfs now and i need to reboot. my xen box is also my gateway, so i'll be offline for a minute ;) i'll come back and tell you if it worked.. byebye |
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| 00:09.13 | ideogram | I just installed the latest debian, how do I activate my nvidia dual monitors? |
| 00:09.19 | torrr | I buy a new PC, I see the mobo P5B Deluxe which have a Marvell LAN: |
| 00:09.25 | torrr | Dual Gigabit LAN controllers, both featuring AI NET2 |
| 00:09.25 | torrr | Marvell® PCI-E and PCI Gigabit LAN controllers |
| 00:09.34 | mfrisch | !paste |
| 00:09.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 00:09.56 | torrr | I had problems with Marvel Yukon |
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| 00:10.05 | torrr | I wonder if this is also a problem... ? |
| 00:10.17 | Wyzard | haxality: Use the "synaptics" driver for your touchpad and you probably don't need to configure anything else |
| 00:10.29 | haxality | ok. |
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| 00:10.44 | georgem | I have an opteron box with marvel GBE's but its running suse 10.1 |
| 00:10.59 | Wyzard | haxality: There are a bunch of settings you *can* configure in xorg.conf -- man synaptics -- but the horizontal and vertical scrolling are enabled by default |
| 00:10.59 | piztek | what is marvel GBE? |
| 00:11.00 | karsten | exim4: what's the easiest way to set a rewrite rule for all nonlocall addresses to be a single domain? |
| 00:11.17 | Wyzard | piztek: Marvell-brand gigabit Ethernet |
| 00:11.18 | georgem | Marvell* Gigabit Ethernet Controls |
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| 00:11.59 | haxality | alright cool, thanks Wyzard |
| 00:12.01 | shogunx | if thats new the sky2 kernel module will likely handle the marvell gig-e's |
| 00:12.13 | dudeman | it does |
| 00:12.19 | dudeman | i have it on my mobo |
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| 00:12.35 | dudeman | 2.6.18 will do just fine on it |
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| 00:12.44 | georgem | Can I get an honest opinion from any Debian experts here? Is 4.0 ready for use on production servers? |
| 00:13.20 | dudeman | it is now stable after a year or so |
| 00:13.27 | stew | georgem: yes, the fact that it has been released, you are getting the opinion of the experts on the debian release team, they know more than people you will find in here |
| 00:13.34 | dudeman | I would think it is quite stable |
| 00:13.37 | dudeman | hi stew |
| 00:13.40 | stew | hi |
| 00:13.53 | dudeman | its cold up here |
| 00:14.08 | dudeman | i didn't even own any warm clothes till i came to ny |
| 00:14.10 | dudeman | :/ |
| 00:14.10 | georgem | k. just wondering. because out of the box I'm having several problems with stability. But maybe its just bad luck. |
| 00:14.20 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I use xen on amd-64 I cannot get the bridged network connections to work..before I installed I remember echoing something into /etc/udev/hotplug and then it worked. Do you know what it is? |
| 00:14.26 | torrr | My marvel LAN works, but it sometimes fail |
| 00:14.36 | torrr | And then I need to restart the network |
| 00:14.40 | Wyzard | georgem: If you're upgrading, there are some potential snags like hard drives getting different letters than they did before, which are documented in the release notes |
| 00:14.43 | torrr | or put a NIC |
| 00:14.45 | stew | georgem: have you tried memtest86+? instability is often caused by hardware problems |
| 00:14.50 | Wyzard | georgem: but aside from that I don't think I've heard anything bad about it |
| 00:14.56 | concept10 | when exporting a directory with NFSV4, do you put the ip addr of the server in /etc/exports? ie. /export 192.168.1.0/24(ro,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check,async) Should that IP address be the ip of the host or the network? |
| 00:14.57 | DawnLight | is there a howto install/change bootsplash for debian? |
| 00:15.00 | Omena- | linux 4k coding! |
| 00:15.12 | doschdn` | Wyzard it worked, the driver didn't get loaded :D |
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| 00:15.24 | doschdn` | many thanks |
| 00:15.27 | georgem | This is fresh install. I just wiped a copy of CentOS 5 Beta (which had no problems). |
| 00:15.34 | Wyzard | mfrisch: I have no /etc/udev/hotplug on my Xen box |
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| 00:15.59 | doschdn` | and the pci devices appear in domU |
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| 00:16.12 | Wyzard | doschdn`: cool :-) |
| 00:16.21 | doschdn` | great :) |
| 00:16.44 | Wyzard | doschdn: oh, one other caveat: put extra='noirqdebug' in the config file for your domU which has the PCI device |
| 00:17.01 | DavidProck1981 | would any one know why on my previous install of debian i had sound when i watch tv useing xawtv, but this time around i dont have sound when i watch tv, And every thing is hooked up correctly, and i have sound on every thing else so far |
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| 00:17.11 | doschdn` | what's that? |
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| 00:17.15 | Wyzard | doschdn: and also in the GRUB options that get passed to dom0's kernel |
| 00:17.16 | ideogram | how do I exit X so I can install nvidia drivers? |
| 00:17.18 | georgem | Hmm... Yeah. If I use the GUI Admin utility to select which services to activate the app crashes when I try to change the status on any of the services. |
| 00:17.33 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I should not need one. |
| 00:17.38 | georgem | The user admin crashes in the same manner when I try to add a user.... Hrmm. |
| 00:17.40 | Wyzard | doschdn: It's a workaround for a problem that can happen if your PCI device in domU happens to share an IRQ with another PCI device managed by dom0 |
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| 00:17.50 | doschdn` | ahh |
| 00:17.57 | doschdn` | okay :) |
| 00:18.03 | Wyzard | doschdn: Without it, I found that my pciback'ed network card would stop working after a few hours, and I'd have to do a full reboot to reset it |
| 00:18.07 | dirving | Is linux-image-2.6-amd64 a 32-bit kernel compiled for an athlon 64, or is it a 64-bit kernel? |
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| 00:18.38 | Wyzard | dirving: In i386 debian, I believe it's a 32-bit kernel compiled with optimizations for amd64-series processors |
| 00:18.41 | Wyzard | though I'm not certain of that |
| 00:19.09 | georgem | I'm using the x86_64 build which is supposed to be true 64 bit... |
| 00:19.20 | dirving | Wyzard: Alright, I guess I'll give it a try then :) Thanks. |
| 00:19.21 | Wyzard | mfrisch: I use (network-script network-bridge) in xend-config.sxp |
| 00:19.47 | doschdn` | Wyzard i already had to add irqpoll for some reason i don't know :) but i'll add noirqdebug, too |
| 00:19.47 | Wyzard | mfrisch: and in the domU's config file, I use vif=['bridge=xenbr0, mac=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx'] |
| 00:19.59 | Wyzard | mfrisch: I don't think I needed any other special configuration besides that |
| 00:20.01 | mfrisch | Wyzard: me too give me a min, I am getting the error |
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| 00:20.10 | haggz | ideogram: you can install nvidia drivers from the non free repos without leaving the GUI, but if you want to run the nvidia installer, try switching a tty with ctrl-alt-f1, logging in and #/etc/init.d/gdm stop assuming gdm is your display manager. note that the official nvidia installer module will break when xorg or the kernel is updated and need to be reinstalled |
| 00:20.22 | jordo23 | !version |
| 00:20.22 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 00:20.36 | Wyzard | doschdn: Did you see warnings that suggested using irqpoll as a fix? |
| 00:20.47 | Wyzard | doschdn: That's the bug I mentioned -- irqpoll doesn't help, but noirqdebug does |
| 00:20.48 | DigitalOktay | what is lenny |
| 00:20.49 | doschdn` | yes |
| 00:20.49 | jordo23 | What codename is Debian 3.1? |
| 00:20.50 | rcbarnes | What's an easy way to check for differences between two directories? |
| 00:20.53 | DigitalOktay | ?? |
| 00:20.59 | karsten | rcbarnes: diff |
| 00:21.11 | Wyzard | DigitalOktay: the new name for Debian's testing branch, which will be the next release |
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| 00:21.16 | doschdn` | without irqpoll my dom0 doesn't boot :/ |
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| 00:21.37 | idiot | how upgrade kernel in debian ? |
| 00:21.38 | DigitalOktay | 22 months for etch ? |
| 00:21.44 | Wyzard | doschdn: ok, maybe you need irqpoll for other reasons, I dunno |
| 00:21.46 | georgem | Does anyone have 4.0r0 x86_64 bit installed? |
| 00:21.53 | doschdn` | it doesnt't find my harddisks |
| 00:21.53 | markybob | yes |
| 00:21.55 | rcbarnes | karsten: I thought that was for individual files... |
| 00:21.57 | doschdn` | only sometimes |
| 00:21.58 | DavidProck1981 | jordo23 sarge |
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| 00:22.10 | karsten | rcbarnes: If you just want to see if files are the same / different, you can run md5sums or (better) sha1sums over the directories |
| 00:22.11 | Wyzard | doschdn: btw, I also had to add an entry for my VIA Rhine ethernet card (the one I gave to the domU) in xend-pci-quirks.sxp |
| 00:22.14 | mfrisch | Wyzard: Error: Device 769 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. when creating a domU |
| 00:22.27 | karsten | rcbarnes: There's a "brief" output option which just says whether or not the files differ. |
| 00:22.29 | jordo23 | Is Sarge the current stable distro? |
| 00:22.30 | Wyzard | georgem: I'm running 2.6.18-4-amd64, which is etch's kernel |
| 00:22.31 | karsten | rcbarnes: man diff |
| 00:22.33 | rcbarnes | karsten: nah, I'm looking to find all the changes |
| 00:22.34 | karsten | jordo23: No. |
| 00:22.45 | karsten | !release |
| 00:22.46 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 00:22.53 | rcbarnes | karsten: yeah, you might have noticed I said I was looking up the man page |
| 00:22.58 | Wyzard | mfrisch: I believe vbd is Virtual Block Device, not related to networking |
| 00:22.59 | karsten | dpkg: forget release |
| 00:23.00 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot release |
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| 00:23.02 | georgem | Wyzard: Does /usr/bin/users-admin crash when you add a user? |
| 00:23.05 | DavidProck1981 | etch is the current stable |
| 00:23.12 | jordo23 | What's after Sarge? |
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| 00:23.16 | jordo23 | Woody? |
| 00:23.19 | rares000 | how come 2.6.20 detects my IDE as SCSI? |
| 00:23.20 | DavidProck1981 | Etch !!! |
| 00:23.23 | jordo23 | ETCH! |
| 00:23.24 | mfrisch | Wyzard: is there a ide setting for xen? I think thats it. |
| 00:23.25 | jordo23 | Lol |
| 00:23.34 | jordo23 | Not a debian user per say.. |
| 00:23.42 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 00:23.44 | ydiddyz | etch did wtc. |
| 00:23.49 | indarios | I'm wondering what kernel version Debian 4.0 is currently at? |
| 00:23.52 | Wyzard | georgem: dunno, I just use adduser from a shell |
| 00:23.55 | Wyzard | indarios: 2.6.18 |
| 00:25.37 | doschdn` | Wyzard i'll keep that in mind if my tv card doesn't work :) |
| 00:25.38 | rares000 | 2.6.20 |
| 00:25.38 | indarios | thanks Wyzard |
| 00:25.38 | lontra | indarios: 2.6.18 and it will always be at that |
| 00:25.39 | karsten | dpkg: release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch> |
| 00:25.39 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 00:25.39 | lontra | rares000: no it's not |
| 00:25.39 | karsten | DavidProck1981: Fixed. |
| 00:25.40 | karsten | jordo23: etch |
| 00:25.40 | torrr | where is my LAN card description? |
| 00:25.40 | torrr | at? |
| 00:25.40 | karsten | jordo23: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:25.41 | karsten | dpkg: release is also see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 00:25.41 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 00:25.41 | karsten | !release |
| 00:25.41 | dpkg | i guess release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 00:25.42 | Wyzard | mfrisch: My domU's disks appear as SCSI disks within the domain, and they're actually LVM volumes; I've never tried Xen with IDE |
| 00:25.42 | rares000 | well anyway why is linux saying I have a scsi drive? |
| 00:25.42 | DavidProck1981 | karsten what is fixed? |
| 00:25.42 | Wyzard | rares000: Is it SATA? |
| 00:25.42 | karsten | DavidProck1981: Not broken. |
| 00:25.42 | DigitalOktay | when is lenny release? |
| 00:25.43 | karsten | DavidProck1981: The factoid has been corrected. |
| 00:25.43 | ydiddyz | tomorrow |
| 00:25.44 | rares000 | it's a laptop |
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| 00:25.45 | Wyzard | DigitalOktay: in a year or two, probably |
| 00:25.46 | DavidProck1981 | r u responding to something i asked |
| 00:25.46 | karsten | DigitalOktay: /msg dpkg wwir |
| 00:25.46 | indarios | lontra: can you not upgrade it in the future using apt? Im not interested in doing that since I'm installing it on some servers but just for future reference. |
| 00:25.46 | ideogram | I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers and it's complaining about not having libc |
| 00:25.47 | Wyzard | rares000: That doesn't answer the question, but unless it's more than a few years old, it's probably SATA |
| 00:25.49 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I have sata and also switched (I thought qemu) to emulate ide and it worked. Is there such a thing for xen? |
| 00:25.51 | DigitalOktay | alles klar karsten |
| 00:25.52 | karsten | DigitalOktay: erm, wir |
| 00:25.55 | ideogram | the libc6 package is installed, what is the problem? |
| 00:25.59 | lontra | indarios: you can get a new kernel...maybe from backports...if not you can get it from kernel.org |
| 00:26.01 | karsten | DigitalOktay: Toll! |
| 00:26.03 | Wyzard | rares000: Most SATA drivers in Linux use a framework called "libata" which is attached to the SCSI subsystem |
| 00:26.05 | georgem | Wyzard: Yeah. I don't normally do much through the GUI either. But the fact that stuff like that is crashing out of the box for me is making me very hesitant of puting it on a production server. |
| 00:26.06 | DigitalOktay | :D |
| 00:26.08 | Wyzard | rares000: so SATA disks usually appear as SCSI |
| 00:26.23 | indarios | lontra: ok thanks |
| 00:26.25 | jordo23 | Does anyone know where I can find a default sources.list for ETCH? |
| 00:26.30 | rares000 | it didn't in 2.6.18 only in 20 |
| 00:26.34 | DigitalOktay | bin ja nicht grad der englisch meister |
| 00:26.35 | lontra | indarios: or you can cherry it pick it from lenny via a mixed system...though i wouldn't recommend that avenue |
| 00:26.35 | Wyzard | georgem: If it's crashing, it's unlikely to be related to the kernel... you could strace it and find out what's going wrong, maybe |
| 00:26.52 | karsten | jordo23: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 00:26.58 | rares000 | what do i need to do? |
| 00:27.03 | mfrisch | Wyzard: its a emulation problem. It won't write the disks correct if you use the scsi sata stuff. |
| 00:27.12 | karsten | DigitalOktay: Ich bin Keine deutsch meister. |
| 00:27.13 | indarios | lontra: i would just grab it from kernel.org or a backport like you said |
| 00:27.18 | DigitalOktay | :D |
| 00:27.19 | DigitalOktay | ok |
| 00:27.23 | lontra | indarios: :) |
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| 00:27.37 | rcbarnes | karsten: thanks for the help (though I shouldn't have needed it...) |
| 00:27.39 | rcbarnes | :-/ |
| 00:27.39 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Are you talking about using real raw IDE disks as Xen block devices, or making block devices appear as virtual IDE disks in Xen guests? |
| 00:27.52 | karsten | rcbarnes: NP. |
| 00:28.19 | mfrisch | Wyzard: virtual ide disks in xen guests..how do I do that? |
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| 00:28.35 | georgem | Wyzard: Yeah. I'm not too directly concerned about it... I'm more concerned about it from a quality control point of few. If its something specific to my box I don't really care. |
| 00:29.10 | petemc | mfrisch: you specify them in the domU config, they can be files or lvm partitions |
| 00:29.12 | indarios | lontra: I'm so used to Gentoo Its going to be weird messing with Debians package management |
| 00:29.55 | Wyzard | mfrisch: My guess would be to just use an "hda"-style name rather than an "sda"-style name when specifying the virtual disks in the domain's config file |
| 00:29.56 | mfrisch | petemc: trying to get evms to work, and I got a domU on it. It being a lvm container |
| 00:30.02 | lontra | indarios: you'll find with Debian that you have more time for life, your family, and other activities...as you aren't needlessly compiling :) |
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| 00:30.08 | mina_linux_Tux | hey , i have a touchscreen i want to get it working on ubuntu 6.10, the driver is provided in 2 kernel compiled modules , following the Readme http://pastebin.ca/435492 , i didn't get it UP , here i have all the available logs , ( dmesg http://pastebin.ca/435472 , kernel http://pastebin.ca/435484 , messages http://pastebin.ca/435485 , lsmod http://pastebin.ca/435488 ) , i run od -h < /dev/usb/tkpanel0 i got no output , is there any comment .? |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | mfrisch: now what about ntp ? |
| 00:30.15 | Wyzard | mfrisch: but since they're virtual anyway, why worry about IDE vs. SCSI? |
| 00:30.19 | lontra | mina_linux_Tux: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:30.22 | ydiddyz | ich (17), jung, blond und attraktiv suche gutaussehenden mann fuer gemeinsame stunden |
| 00:30.35 | mina_linux_Tux | lontra: i did , no one there can help me |
| 00:30.37 | rcbarnes | indarios: I second lontra. I was Gentoo until recently, too. |
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| 00:30.43 | streuner | ydiddyz: hau ab! |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | mfrisch: it should work automagically |
| 00:30.47 | lontra | !german |
| 00:30.47 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 00:30.51 | mfrisch | abrotman: oh thanks I'll ask later I can't get ntp to connect to ntp |
| 00:30.53 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: Ask #ubuntu for Ubuntu issues, but as a generic Linux factoid, you need those modules compiled for the specific kernel you're using |
| 00:30.58 | ydiddyz | streuner, wieso? |
| 00:31.15 | indarios | lontra: haha, im just a huge fan of portage.. and bleeding edge apps : ( its a curse |
| 00:31.26 | mfrisch | Wyzard: because I get these errors and it won't start? ;-( |
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| 00:31.28 | lontra | indarios: run debian sid? |
| 00:31.39 | streuner | abrotman: "iam good-looking, 17 years old looking for someone goodlooking (men)..." |
| 00:31.43 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: there are 2 modules on is tkusb.ko and the irtouch.o , are these compiled ? |
| 00:31.48 | Wyzard | indarios: You can get a similar effect by running Debian's "unstable" branch |
| 00:31.49 | kbidd | anyone know the system requirements for the current release of debian? |
| 00:31.54 | abrotman | streuner: i'm a bit old for you |
| 00:31.58 | abrotman | kbidd: 24MB 486 |
| 00:31.59 | rcbarnes | indarios: what I do is pull down things that I want new versions of any build by hand---from cvs sometimes, even. |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | kbidd: DX IIRC |
| 00:32.07 | kbidd | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:32.07 | streuner | abrotman: dude, i translated... |
| 00:32.08 | georgem | SIGSEGV 0x00000000004123d3 in ??. /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 is the first thing on the stack trace. |
| 00:32.09 | mfrisch | abrotman: ;-) |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | kbidd: the release notes hsould say |
| 00:32.15 | indarios | Ill try it out in vmware |
| 00:32.21 | abrotman | streuner: sure .. you keep telling yourself that :) |
| 00:32.21 | lontra | abrotman: they could call you daddy |
| 00:32.24 | abrotman | they could |
| 00:32.27 | ydiddyz | lol abrotman |
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| 00:32.33 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: The .ko file is a kernel module for a 2.6-series kernel... the .o file could be a module for a 2.4-series kernel, or just an ordinary userspace object file |
| 00:32.57 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: they need to be compiled ? |
| 00:32.59 | rcbarnes | indarios: Building by hand (select packages) about as much work as portage once you know how to do package managment, and lots faster, too. |
| 00:33.06 | streuner | abrotman: ! - be serious! :-) |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:33.23 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: They're already compiled, and that's a problem, because they weren't compiled for *your* kernel |
| 00:33.35 | rennen01 | lontra, me too |
| 00:33.38 | streuner | lontra: because |
| 00:33.55 | lontra | streuner: ...? i sit idle in that channel |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | lontra: you are ? |
| 00:34.11 | indarios | rcbarnes: I used to do that with slackware back in the day but i get tired of searching and installing deps.. and i lose track of what i installed etc. Thats why i love package managers that work well |
| 00:34.12 | lontra | abrotman: i am odla ... |
| 00:34.12 | georgem | Is there a command to determine which package a certain file belongs to? |
| 00:34.13 | streuner | well, that isn't a BAD reason then |
| 00:34.16 | mfrisch | Wyzard: here is my domU config file. http://pastebin.ca/435593 |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | lontra: you should have stated that |
| 00:34.33 | lontra | abrotman: when was i asked? |
| 00:34.48 | rcbarnes | indarios: well, you can request that all a package's deps be installed (and then build that package by hand) |
| 00:34.48 | lontra | oh well |
| 00:34.50 | abrotman | streuner: and you're not banned |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | lontra: undone |
| 00:34.56 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: and what i'm asking for , the instructions say that i have to put the insmod instruction under /etc/rc.d/rc.local before the startx and as i know ubuntu/Debian doesn't use rc.local, i'm only asking regarding the insmod where it has to be , i did put it in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel |
| 00:34.59 | lontra | abrotman: gracias |
| 00:35.24 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Your disk line looks OK to me... mine's similar except I use "sda" rather than "hda" |
| 00:35.30 | rennen01 | so we get banned for idleing #debian-offtopic? |
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| 00:35.35 | haxality | haha holy crap |
| 00:35.46 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: i did put the module .ko in /lib/modules.... |
| 00:35.57 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I have tried both. same result. It is weird. thanks! |
| 00:36.02 | streuner | rennen01: discuss that in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:36.10 | rcbarnes | Well, boys and girls, I've got virtual memory code to fix, so I'm off! |
| 00:36.11 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: You're missing the point... the rc.local stuff is to make the module load automatically at boot time, but that module probably cannot load in your kernel *at all*, automatically or not |
| 00:36.14 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: Can you modprobe it? |
| 00:36.49 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Maybe it doesn't like EVMS, though afaik EVMS uses the device-mapper just like LVM does so I'd expect it to work |
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| 00:37.04 | indarios | rcbarnes: Ill mess around with apt tonight to see what im getting into before it try it out tomorrow at work |
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| 00:37.32 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Try with a file rather than an EVMS volume |
| 00:38.08 | streuner | idiot: please turn that off |
| 00:38.13 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I don't think it likes it. evms does not register the new volume in /dev/evms and /dev/dm-* are not it either. |
| 00:38.33 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: that's what i'm asking for , how to do so , and more than that they are providing all linux driver http://www.irtouch.com/unitop_en2/download.asp for this touchscreen in the form of compiled modules , you can check it |
| 00:38.53 | dudeman | rennen01 dunno about that. but you get threatened to be banned from there if you disagree with abrotwoman |
| 00:39.01 | dudeman | about anything |
| 00:39.14 | streuner | !kill dudeman |
| 00:39.22 | dudeman | :( |
| 00:39.30 | dudeman | streuner don't kill poor stoner |
| 00:39.35 | dudeman | I is harmless |
| 00:39.38 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: They provide precompiled modules for specific kernels released by RedHat and Fedora |
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| 00:40.04 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: Those modules will only work with those specific kernels |
| 00:40.25 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: ubuntu's kernel is 2.6.17-10 |
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| 00:40.42 | ydiddyz | i hacked pentagon! |
| 00:40.47 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: I don't mean just the version number |
| 00:40.49 | ydiddyz | with debian |
| 00:40.50 | ydiddyz | :) |
| 00:40.53 | dudeman | great |
| 00:40.58 | rennen01 | lol |
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| 00:41.10 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: It depends on the options the kernel was built with too |
| 00:42.00 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: why, so what else |
| 00:42.00 | streuner | ydiddyz: go into bed, tomorrow you have school... |
| 00:42.00 | haxality | wow. the debian 4.0 time to suspend is like 1 second. |
| 00:42.01 | haxality | that's awesome. |
| 00:42.01 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: so what i have to do now ? |
| 00:42.01 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: You need to get the source code for the driver, and the linux-headers package for your kernel, and compile the module for your kernel |
| 00:42.01 | haxality | haha, I'll cease my endless off-topicness now |
| 00:42.06 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: If you can't get the source code to the driver, you can't use it with this system |
| 00:42.10 | ydiddyz | streuner, you should go to bed, tomorrow you have to go to the arbeitsamt and get hartz 4 :( |
| 00:42.35 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: even in case i do checkfor the options of the kernel version ? |
| 00:42.38 | georgem | Anyone out there running 4.0r0 amd64 that could try adding a user through /usr/bin/users-admin just to see if it crashes for them too? |
| 00:43.07 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: and what do you mean by "check for" ? |
| 00:43.30 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: provide them the kernel options plus the version |
| 00:43.47 | markybob | or insmod it since he seems to be stuck on that |
| 00:43.49 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: "them"? |
| 00:43.49 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: so that's what i mean to check for , is to get the options regarding the version |
| 00:44.00 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: yes the driver's providers |
| 00:44.03 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: You mean ask the company to compile a copy of the module for your kernel? |
| 00:44.03 | markybob | georgem: try #debian-amd64 in oftc |
| 00:44.13 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: |
| 00:44.15 | streuner | ydiddyz: if you don't visit school you might get Hartz4 then ;-) |
| 00:44.16 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: yes |
| 00:44.19 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: You could try that, though good luck getting them to listen to you |
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| 00:44.36 | georgem | markybob: ok. thanks. |
| 00:44.44 | dudeman | you know, imo a debian box without internet is boring |
| 00:44.46 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: already i have a contact with them , so what i have to ask them to do |
| 00:44.55 | dudeman | unless you've downloaded the debian manuals |
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| 00:44.56 | ydiddyz | streuner, i work for microsoft, i earn much money |
| 00:45.09 | streuner | haha |
| 00:45.22 | ydiddyz | i really do |
| 00:45.23 | ydiddyz | (: |
| 00:45.25 | DigitalOktay | Bill Gates with Debian Linux :D:D |
| 00:45.29 | dudeman | I don't make much money, but I am happy with my life |
| 00:45.38 | streuner | well, s(he) a funny troll at least :-) |
| 00:45.40 | dudeman | it is good |
| 00:45.43 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: First of all, since you're using Ubuntu, consider waiting a few weeks until Feisty is released, since that'll have a different kernel and it'll need a different build of the module |
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| 00:46.10 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: Second, run "uname -r" to find your exact kernel version string |
| 00:46.26 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: There's a "linux-headers" package with that version string in its name... that's what they should use to compile the module |
| 00:46.33 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: i'm already using the 6.10 alternative CD |
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| 00:46.46 | Wyzard | It doesn't matter what you're using |
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| 00:46.58 | don_jr__ | mina_linux_Tux that's edgy, not fiesty |
| 00:47.01 | Wyzard | None of this is Ubuntu-specific (which is the only reason I'm telling you about it in #debian in the first place) |
| 00:47.21 | Wyzard | You need the exact set of headers corresponding to your kernel |
| 00:47.33 | Wyzard | Debian and Ubuntu both provide those headers in "linux-headers" packages |
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| 00:47.48 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: it's ok, what else |
| 00:47.57 | Wyzard | so you'd tell the company the name of the Ubuntu package containing the headers they need to compile their driver against |
| 00:48.00 | Wyzard | and the rest is up to them |
| 00:48.34 | Wyzard | but remember that you're using Edgy now and Feisty (due to be released in a few weeks) will have a different kernel, so you might as well wait for Feisty |
| 00:48.55 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: is there a way to this ubuntu package containing the headers |
| 00:48.58 | don_jr__ | Wyzard or not update once fiesty is out |
| 00:49.20 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: In a shell: echo linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:49.29 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: The output from that command is the exact package name they should use |
| 00:49.52 | ideogram | how do I change my screen resolution with GNOME? |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | use the screen resolution applet |
| 00:50.17 | streuner | ideogram: or the 'usual' way in debian |
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| 00:50.21 | ideogram | where is it? |
| 00:50.26 | streuner | !drxx |
| 00:50.27 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:50.38 | markybob | how do people not think of checking the preferences menu? i dont get it |
| 00:50.41 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: i don't know why i have to wait for Feisty , but i'm using the alternate CD as it's compatible with Sys configs (Few memory 96 MB) |
| 00:51.15 | dudeman | I was recommended a ralink nic. There are so many, i dunno which one to get. |
| 00:51.16 | streuner | mina_linux_Tux: /topic |
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| 00:51.34 | mina_linux_Tux | streuner: ..? |
| 00:51.34 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: If you get them to build you a module for edgy, it won't work with feisty, so you'll have to ask them to build you another one in a few weeks |
| 00:51.41 | dudeman | who was it that told me about these cards? are you still here? I have a small buffer |
| 00:51.45 | streuner | mina_linux_Tux: ubuntu is OT here |
| 00:51.50 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: If you just wait for feisty, you won't have to pester them for another build |
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| 00:52.14 | Omena- | !rule 1 |
| 00:52.15 | dpkg | If it's not broken, don't fix it. |
| 00:52.18 | Wyzard | streuner: The question isn't really Ubuntu-specific, just about kernel modules being kernel-specific |
| 00:52.20 | Omena- | what if it is broken |
| 00:52.31 | Omena- | its its broken, dont fix it? |
| 00:52.40 | streuner | Wyzard: well, if someone using other than Debian it is |
| 00:52.49 | streuner | OT |
| 00:53.00 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: may i ask after loading the module in /lib/modules/`uname -r` , must i use modprob or depmod ? |
| 00:53.19 | ideogram | I know my monitor does 2048x1536 but the autodetect doesn't find it |
| 00:53.30 | ideogram | can I fix this without editing my config file directly? |
| 00:53.37 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: you'd need to run depmod first, then modprobe to actually load the module |
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| 00:53.51 | markybob | ideogram: are you afraid of getting the flu by touching your config file? |
| 00:53.54 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: If it loads and works, you're in luck, but I doubt it will -- it'll either fail to load, or not work properly |
| 00:53.58 | doschdn` | why isn't there any hardware autodetection in a debootstrapped xenU domain? :( |
| 00:54.09 | ideogram | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.13 | ideogram | actually I think I found it |
| 00:54.22 | pAtChWoRkGiRl | weren't there a lot of broken debians with the latest update? |
| 00:54.25 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: depmod `uname -r` and modprobe `uname -r` |
| 00:54.29 | Wyzard | doschdn`: There is... udev handles that |
| 00:54.43 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: depmod -ae |
| 00:54.47 | ideogram | how do I restart X? |
| 00:54.52 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: and then modprobe the name of the module |
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| 00:54.58 | Wyzard | (the .ko file, minus the ".ko" suffix) |
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| 00:55.30 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: modprobe /path/to/the/module/name ? |
| 00:55.45 | Wyzard | you don't need the full path, just the name |
| 00:55.49 | doschdn` | so i just need to install the udev package? okay :D |
| 00:55.52 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: or just modprobe module name w/o .ko |
| 00:55.56 | Wyzard | right |
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| 00:56.46 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: which of them is right .? |
| 00:57.09 | Wyzard | <Wyzard> you don't need the full path, just the name |
| 00:57.57 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: and which /var/log file shows Load fail/success ? |
| 00:58.15 | Wyzard | /var/log/syslog |
| 00:58.16 | Wyzard | or dmesg |
| 00:58.31 | Wyzard | but if it fails to load at all, you'll get a message on your console |
| 00:58.42 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: /var/log/ker.log ? |
| 00:58.56 | Wyzard | kernel.log would have it too |
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| 00:59.15 | mina_linux_Tux | ok i'll check and hop to have a good luck , thanks too much |
| 00:59.19 | evillase | is there a guide to recompiling the kernel on debian etch? |
| 00:59.30 | streuner | eviltux: no |
| 00:59.37 | streuner | evillase: no |
| 00:59.57 | streuner | evillase: there are general ways, but why don't you just use an official kernel? |
| 01:00.00 | Wyzard | evillase: The "kernel-package" package is the preferred way to do it -- it's a frontend to the build process that give you a .deb of the finished kernel |
| 01:00.06 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 01:00.07 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 01:00.10 | Wyzard | evillase: and it has some docs on how to use it |
| 01:00.27 | Wyzard | evillase: As for the kernel configuration itself, that's not Debian-specific but I'm sure you can find some tutorials on it |
| 01:00.46 | evillase | Wyzard, i can configure a kernel i just need the debian specific way to install it |
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| 01:01.05 | Wyzard | evillase: Use make-kpkg, as described in that dpkg factoid |
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| 01:01.06 | streuner | evillase: what's the reason for? |
| 01:01.31 | Wyzard | evillase: The output is a .deb, which you install with dpkg |
| 01:01.43 | evillase | streuner, changing a few things, like processor type from pentium pro to xeon |
| 01:01.55 | haxality | hey.. when I play video files all I get is a blue screen with sound. what codec package do I need to install? I already installed mpg321, w32codecs, etc |
| 01:02.11 | streuner | well, there are official kernels for 'xeon' as well |
| 01:02.20 | evillase | Wyzard, k, thanks will look for kernel package |
| 01:02.41 | streuner | !tell haxality about marillat |
| 01:02.46 | Wyzard | streuner: -686 will do |
| 01:02.50 | haxality | thank you. |
| 01:02.54 | streuner | sure |
| 01:02.55 | jordo23 | What do I do if when upgrading a server from Sarge to Etch it stops when it restarts mysql.....everything else went fine but seems to have stalled here... |
| 01:02.56 | evillase | streuner, yea, but this is an old dell server with hardware raid and stuff i don't really want to change alot just a few things |
| 01:02.58 | jordo23 | HELP! |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | WHAT? |
| 01:03.15 | streuner | oh, you should google for _that_ one... |
| 01:03.20 | streuner | heh |
| 01:03.48 | Wyzard | evillase: If Linux has drivers for your hardware RAID controller, they're almost certainly provided by the pre-built kernel packages |
| 01:03.57 | streuner | might be NOT an issue for etch |
| 01:04.03 | Wyzard | evillase: You shouldn't need to compile a custom kernel just for the RAID |
| 01:04.10 | jordo23 | It's just stuck at restarting mysql.... |
| 01:04.21 | jordo23 | Actually stuck stopping it.. |
| 01:04.25 | evillase | Wyzard, no it is provided, megaraid, but there is an issue with rebooting |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | it being ? |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | ohy .. |
| 01:05.01 | jordo23 | abrotman: I am trying to upgrade an old server from sarge to etch....in the process this is where it stalled... |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | jordo23: hit ctrl-c |
| 01:05.16 | evillase | Wyzard, when i issue shutdown -r now, or reboot, it goes through the process but it never finishes the reboot, by turning the computer off and back on, it just sits there |
| 01:05.24 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:05.31 | evillase | Wyzard, this also applies to shutdown -h now as well |
| 01:05.31 | Wyzard | and you think a custom kernel will help with that? |
| 01:05.49 | evillase | Wyzard, maybe maybe not, but its worth a try |
| 01:05.52 | jordo23 | abrotman: kept going now.....but had a dependency issue with mysql? |
| 01:06.16 | Wyzard | sounds reasonable |
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| 01:06.18 | evillase | Wyzard, maybe there is a patch for it, i haven't looked to much into the issue yet |
| 01:06.29 | abrotman | jordo23: when the system is up .. try to start mysql from the init script manually |
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| 01:06.41 | jordo23 | abrotman: will do .....wierd... |
| 01:06.58 | BUMBACL0T | why am i gettin this error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 01:07.05 | BUMBACL0T | though i have gcc installed |
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| 01:07.19 | streuner | !b-e BUMBACLOT |
| 01:07.19 | krazykit | BUMBACL0T, apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:07.19 | dpkg | BUMBACLOT: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 01:07.23 | Wyzard | evillase: Looking for a patch would be a good idea... if it's a driver bug, doing your own build of the same buggy driver isn't likely to help |
| 01:07.42 | agentbob | if i download the 180mb netinst image from debian.org/CD/netinst/ is that going to be etch? |
| 01:07.44 | BUMBACL0T | duh |
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| 01:08.15 | cafuego | agentbob: should be, yes |
| 01:08.19 | agentbob | n/m just looked at dir contents heh |
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| 01:08.53 | NuKe_MaNia | hi all |
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| 01:09.05 | NuKe_MaNia | ý installed debian from netinstall |
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| 01:09.14 | NuKe_MaNia | ý need right sources.list |
| 01:09.20 | evillase | Wyzard, yea, i will give it a look |
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| 01:10.04 | jordo23 | Is there an ssh command or commandline I can use to reboot a server connected to through ssh.... |
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| 01:10.18 | krazykit | jordo23, reboot |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | NuKe_MaNia: what's wrong with yours ? |
| 01:11.01 | Wyzard | jordo23: same way you'd reboot it if you were logged into it locally: "shutdown -r now" or "reboot" |
| 01:11.17 | Wyzard | jordo23: It's not a special SSH-specific command |
| 01:11.26 | jordo23 | thanks |
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| 01:13.41 | mseney | new etch install, added myself to /etc/sudoers and when I Desktop > Administration > Update Manager it doesn't accept my user password? |
| 01:14.12 | mseney | i can however run it by using the cli |
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| 01:14.28 | grayman | hmm |
| 01:15.08 | jordo23 | !version |
| 01:15.08 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 01:17.05 | rpc | hi folks |
| 01:17.15 | rpc | thanks for help once again, abrotman |
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| 01:17.22 | abrotman | yep |
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| 01:18.09 | rpc | my quick question for tonight - do i need a special setup for iptables to be able to protect hosts using bridged networking? |
| 01:18.14 | streuner | omg, wols is back :-) |
| 01:18.29 | rpc | streuner and was he ever away? :s |
| 01:18.32 | jordo23 | abrotman: I rebooted the system and connected, the only thing not resolved in apt is mysql. Can you check this? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6753 |
| 01:18.39 | karsten | jordo23: Mind, if your system won't shutdown or reboot cleanly, you might hose youreself. |
| 01:18.46 | streuner | rpc: hehe, true :-) |
| 01:18.48 | karsten | jordo23: NSF hung mounts, f'rex, frequently cause same. |
| 01:18.50 | jordo23 | karsten: I am back |
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| 01:19.03 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: Said invalid module format |
| 01:19.10 | karsten | jordo23: Presumably rebooting worked then. |
| 01:19.23 | jordo23 | karsten: Yeah.....just this one problem http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6753 |
| 01:19.28 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: I'm not surprised |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | jordo23: you're going to have to debug the postinst script with a set -x |
| 01:19.47 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: may i ask can i use something like ndiswrapper ? |
| 01:19.53 | Goat25 | sigh, 8 KB/s on bittorrent, should take 18 days for the first dvd |
| 01:19.55 | jordo23 | abrotman: Say that a little dumber :) |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | jordo23: you're going to have to debug the postinst script with a set -x |
| 01:20.13 | Wyzard | mina_linux_Tux: That's only for network drivers |
| 01:20.21 | jordo23 | abrotman: What do you mean... |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | Goat25: use the netinst |
| 01:20.54 | Goat25 | but isn't just going to use a mirror that's getting hammered? |
| 01:20.57 | mina_linux_Tux | Wyzard: nothing like it for modules as all |
| 01:21.21 | abrotman | Goat25: use another mirror .. the psu.edu mirror is okay .. the pair.com mirror is okay |
| 01:21.31 | Goat25 | hmmm |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | Goat25: pair.com is in pittsburgh |
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| 01:21.50 | jordo23 | abrotman: Can you clarify that? |
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| 01:23.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: you would |
| 01:23.23 | Goat25 | ok, i'm downloading a lot faster now |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | jordo23: at the top of the postinst script .. put a 'set -x' so it will show what is going on |
| 01:23.27 | rpc | hm i will try to rephprase my question.. will a set of iptables rules work for bridged networking out of the box? |
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| 01:23.56 | abrotman | bridge-utils ? |
| 01:24.01 | jordo23 | abrotman: I got it....I uninstalled mysql-server-5.0 and it worked.....resolved... |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:24.18 | rpc | abrotman oh i have it all up and running just not sure how to make iptables protect the bridged host |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 01:24.26 | jordo23 | abrotman: Thanks though... |
| 01:24.26 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 01:24.59 | rpc | ... |
| 01:25.32 | rpc | ok, got it: |
| 01:25.34 | rpc | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html |
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| 01:26.48 | rpc | and it looks pretty easy.. nothing needs to be done in particular to protect bridged host |
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| 01:30.54 | h00t | can any of you lads tell me where do we store mouse pointers on debian ... what directory |
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| 01:32.02 | karsten | h00t: Would you be looking for a mouse pointer pointer? |
| 01:32.27 | h00t | yes |
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| 01:32.56 | h00t | i want to install new ones .. |
| 01:33.05 | nihraguk | heh |
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| 01:35.05 | jordo23 | I installed mysql again and it keeps hanging on stopping the server.....it tries to stop it first.....is that odd? |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | debug the process |
| 01:35.54 | jordo23 | This shouldn't take a long time on older hardware should it? |
| 01:36.00 | jordo23 | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 01:36.06 | haxality | hello again, I'm still having issues playing video files. I installed all the packages listed in the FAQ on debian-multimedia |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | start it manually |
| 01:36.15 | abrotman | put a set -x in the init script |
| 01:36.39 | jordo23 | abrotman: what is the manual bash command in total so I get it right? |
| 01:36.52 | don_jr__ | I have followed the nvidia 1 liner and my x still will not start, (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:9:0) found. (EE) No devices detected. any suggestions? |
| 01:36.57 | The_Ball | do I just change sarge to etch in sources.list or do i need to change something more? |
| 01:37.10 | intruder | im willing to find info about this but i can't name it, if someone can help me, i try to find docs about the (arg: 1) thing when you hit alt+1 within bash |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | !tell The_Ball about sarge->etch |
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| 01:37.50 | The_Ball | abrotman, cheers :) |
| 01:38.27 | rpc | can someone please tell me what temps are these in default mbmon output? Temp.= 38.0, 43.0, 37.5; |
| 01:38.33 | haxality | er, my mistake. that FAQ entry was unrelated. |
| 01:38.42 | haxality | I'm still unable to play video files though. |
| 01:39.02 | jordo23 | abrotman: What's the entire command? |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | set -x |
| 01:40.52 | don_jr__ | anyone able to help me get my nvidia running? |
| 01:41.53 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:41.54 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 01:41.57 | tomato | !tell don_jr__ about nvidia |
| 01:42.33 | jordo23 | abrotman: what's the bash start file in Etch for mysql with it though? |
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| 01:43.16 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
| 01:43.28 | h00t | maybe you need legacy drivers instead of latest |
| 01:43.52 | haxality | hey all, whenever I play video files I either get a blue screen in my video player or a blue screen and the window decorations are garbled |
| 01:44.14 | don_jr__ | tomato thank you, I followed that, h00t if I have installed the wrong ones, A)will I need to remove them before installing the new ones and B) how do I tell which I need? |
| 01:44.38 | intruder | does anyone know what does that (arg: n) in bash when you press alt-n ? |
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| 01:45.15 | jordo23 | abrotman: /etc/init.d/mysql start set -x ??? |
| 01:45.16 | tomato | don_jr__ nvidia has the --uninstall option I think... you can manually remove the package that was installed with nvidia official drivers or what not.. remove the module etc. and then compile one in debian |
| 01:45.37 | jordo23 | abrotman: keeps trying and .......failed! |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | jordo23: other way |
| 01:45.46 | tomato | don_jr__ explain : "wrong ones" |
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| 01:45.54 | h00t | don_jr__, what is the model of your card |
| 01:45.57 | don_jr__ | tomato I"m too new for this...okay I can get the packages off, then how can I find out which I need? |
| 01:46.06 | jordo23 | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 01:46.09 | tomato | I broke my finger |
| 01:46.14 | don_jr__ | h00t I have the GeForce MX4000 |
| 01:46.32 | h00t | don_jr__, let me see ... i'll find out which you need |
| 01:46.36 | tomato | I will let h00t help cuz I'd have to type lots to explain stuff |
| 01:46.38 | tomato | since yer new |
| 01:46.39 | don_jr__ | tomato I mean if I have the wrong nvidia drivers to work with my card, how do I tell which I need? |
| 01:46.42 | don_jr__ | h00t thank you very much |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | jordo23: set -x <cmd> |
| 01:47.01 | tomato | wrong == wrong. if it works, its not wrong |
| 01:47.10 | don_jr__ | okay I'm going to remove what I just did |
| 01:47.19 | DigitalOktay | can i install fritz!wlan stick usb ? |
| 01:47.32 | jordo23 | abrotman: Did that....just returned to command prompt |
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| 01:48.20 | h00t | don_jr__, that's geforce 4 you got ... right?? |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | jordo23: put it at the top of the script after the #!/bin/sh |
| 01:49.07 | lontra | i am trying to build a package with debuild and it just gave me a gpg error. how do i tell it to not look for a key |
| 01:49.15 | don_jr__ | I don't know, just say GeForce MX4000, let me go get the box and find out if it says or not |
| 01:49.18 | haxality | is there a website where I can get a list of generic codec packages I should install? |
| 01:49.27 | haxality | I've tried googling but nothing seems to show up |
| 01:49.49 | freeone3000 | haxality: install mplayer from debian-multimedia. It'll pull all the ones you'll ever need. |
| 01:49.57 | haxality | ok thank you |
| 01:49.59 | tomato | !dmm |
| 01:49.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 01:50.08 | tomato | there ya go |
| 01:50.11 | DigitalOktay | i dont find packs for fritzwlan usb |
| 01:50.13 | freeone3000 | Because ffmpeg breaks like six by itself. :P |
| 01:50.29 | tomato | I love mplayer |
| 01:50.38 | tomato | if mplayer was a chic, I'd want to bone her |
| 01:50.45 | pythonic | haxality: install debian-keyring and then apt-key the key for debian-multimedia |
| 01:51.07 | don_jr__ | h00t all this pox says is NVIDIA GeForce MX 4000, itdoes not specify geforce 1-5 or anything else that I can find |
| 01:51.11 | tomato | btw |
| 01:51.13 | jordo23 | abrotman: Okay....got that....here's the output where the process hangs.....http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6756 |
| 01:51.20 | tomato | it doesn't automatically install w32codecs |
| 01:51.25 | don_jr__ | h00t if ti helps any it's a 3d fuzion card |
| 01:51.29 | h00t | hold on let me shoot my smack... you think i'm joking right??? |
| 01:51.29 | tomato | freeone3000 thats for you |
| 01:51.50 | tomato | freeone3000 mplayer doesn't depend on(didn't used to depend on on afaik) on w32codecs |
| 01:52.01 | tomato | so you won't automatically get all the codecs you could need |
| 01:52.16 | Caelum | can remote windows drives store linux ownership and permissions information? |
| 01:52.18 | freeone3000 | tomato: It pulls them in on sid. |
| 01:52.29 | tomato | freeone3000 really now? |
| 01:52.30 | freeone3000 | Caelum: If they write to a filesystem that supports that, sure. |
| 01:52.37 | abrotman | jordo23: run " /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping" manually |
| 01:52.39 | freeone3000 | tomato: I remember it doing so last update.. |
| 01:52.39 | tomato | mplayer depends on w32codecs in sid? |
| 01:52.49 | markybob | nope |
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| 01:52.52 | freeone3000 | Lemme check if that was because of mplayer or because I installed htem myself. |
| 01:52.52 | tomato | freeone3000 that is not accurate according to what I know |
| 01:53.01 | Goat25 | here i go...installing a newly released debian stable version...something i get to do about as often as watch the olympics |
| 01:53.05 | tomato | ok please let me know |
| 01:53.22 | freeone3000 | It doesn't. |
| 01:53.29 | Caelum | so what's the best way to backup my linux system to a remote windows share? |
| 01:53.29 | jordo23 | abrotman: Same thing....just hangs there again.... |
| 01:53.35 | h00t | don_jr__, ok you got my full attention now ... you said you followed the one liner ... what's the error msg you got |
| 01:53.46 | freeone3000 | Caelum: Have the windows share write to an ext3fs partition. Writing ext3 is almost stable in windows. |
| 01:53.54 | tomato | no it isn't |
| 01:53.59 | tomato | i know from first hand exp. |
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| 01:54.10 | tomato | ext2 is good with ext2fsd |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | jordo23: sounds like mysql isn't runnign to me |
| 01:54.17 | don_jr__ | I have followed the nvidia 1 liner and my x still will not start, (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:9:0) found. (EE) No devices detected. any suggestions? |
| 01:54.17 | Caelum | I don't have control over the windows drive, I work for a large corporation... |
| 01:54.21 | tomato | however ext3 under windows is still buggy |
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| 01:54.31 | tomato | writing that is |
| 01:54.42 | jordo23 | abrotman: Yeah.....trying to start it....can't |
| 01:54.42 | haxality | freeone3000: I installed that copy of mplayer and I still only get a blue screen when I play video |
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| 01:54.52 | abrotman | jordo23: is there an error ? |
| 01:54.58 | don_jr__ | h00t I have checked the xorg.conf file and made sure the PCI number is correct, it has to be the drivers I would assume? |
| 01:55.03 | tomato | i know becaue I tried to write to one ext3 under xp, with ext2fsd and it turned the whole fucking disk into hpfs |
| 01:55.10 | jordo23 | abrotman: That's the whole point of this....when trying to start the server it hangs there.... |
| 01:55.12 | Caelum | don_jr__: it's usually autodetected |
| 01:55.22 | Omena- | OK wtf, they said in fsecure seminar that they have technology to translate IP-Address to a house |
| 01:55.26 | tomato | how or why, no clue, the drive wouldn't work under linux anymore, but only on xp and was still beng read as ext3 but showed up as hpfs |
| 01:55.27 | Omena- | that is impossible |
| 01:55.30 | jordo23 | Abrotman: that's what the pastebin is... |
| 01:55.32 | tomato | yeh, I was mind boggled too |
| 01:55.47 | tomato | I was like how? still never found out though |
| 01:55.57 | Omena- | they are full of shit |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | jordo23: when you start mysqld by hand |
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| 01:56.09 | Omena- | only the police have that kind of access |
| 01:56.23 | nihraguk | is speedy-cgi-perl the fastcgi version of perl for debian? |
| 01:56.24 | Caelum | they can subpoena the ISP to get the user behind a certain IP connection |
| 01:56.27 | jordo23 | abrotman: I ran /etc/init.d/mysql start and that's what happened.... |
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| 01:56.55 | Omena- | Caelum ISP does not have the rrights to give out that information? |
| 01:56.59 | don_jr__ | Caelum mines not, when I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the first time no nvidia drivers were there. I followed the 1 liner with the latest 1.0-9xx drivers and that is the error I got. |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | jordo23: just run /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults |
| 01:57.05 | Omena- | that where is certain IP-address located |
| 01:57.31 | DigitalOktay | How can I install Playstation ExeToy Cam in Etch? |
| 01:57.33 | Omena- | maximum accuracy would be a town? |
| 01:57.39 | Omena- | and this fsecure guy |
| 01:57.47 | tomato | ip addy's which are assigned, even dynamic are logged to either the phone number that dialed in, or to the mac id of cable modem that is hooked up |
| 01:57.48 | Omena- | "this ip-address is being used from this house" |
| 01:57.50 | Omena- | like WTF |
| 01:58.00 | tomato | you can be EASILY found if they wanted to find you |
| 01:58.14 | jordo23 | abrotman: Does the following mean it isn't installed? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6757 Because apt says it is.... |
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| 01:58.36 | don_jr__ | okay I found anotehr spot on the debian site I'm going to try and follow and see if it works |
| 01:58.36 | Omena- | tomato are you saying you can find someones geographical location by ip-address |
| 01:58.39 | Omena- | i dont see that happening |
| 01:58.46 | tomato | not I |
| 01:58.53 | tomato | they would not give me access to the logs |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | jordo23: ps aux | grep mysql .. see anything ? |
| 01:59.00 | Omena- | yes IF |
| 01:59.02 | tomato | you must have a subpeona or however you spell that |
| 01:59.10 | tomato | without court order isp will never reveal this |
| 01:59.15 | Omena- | yes |
| 01:59.15 | pinktaco | anyone have any idea why "apache2-ssl-certificate" is gone in etch? |
| 01:59.16 | tomato | its unlawful |
| 01:59.21 | Omena- | SO |
| 01:59.25 | Omena- | fsecure is full of shit |
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| 01:59.37 | tomato | security is full of shit |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
| 01:59.39 | tomato | anywhere |
| 01:59.45 | Omena- | they cannnot have the rights for every ISP logs :D |
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| 01:59.47 | jordo23 | abrotman: Yeah....a ton... |
| 01:59.50 | abrotman | tomato: stop being an ass |
| 01:59.54 | don_jr__ | I just have to figure out if I need the legacy drivers or not first... |
| 01:59.58 | mikes1 | hehe |
| 01:59.59 | maddash | does anyone know which of wipe or srm is more secure? or is there no difference? |
| 02:00.07 | tomato | abrotman: die. |
| 02:00.15 | dondelelcaro | if you've got the ip address, you can generally get a pretty good guess as to where on the planet a request is originating from |
| 02:00.18 | markybob | oh please. calm down |
| 02:00.18 | mikes1 | ouch |
| 02:00.32 | mikes1 | now now ladies |
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| 02:00.37 | Omena- | dondelelcaro yes but you cannot point the actual house from google earth |
| 02:00.42 | Omena- | like this fsecure dude did |
| 02:00.46 | dondelelcaro | Omena-: obviously not |
| 02:00.49 | tomato | dondelelcaro of course, I think that is what they tried to sell to general public back in the day in form of graphical traceroute etc. |
| 02:00.52 | Omena- | i hate him |
| 02:01.03 | tomato | I saw some windows programs being sold etc. like that |
| 02:01.03 | Omena- | for this |
| 02:01.03 | tomato | few years back |
| 02:01.10 | Omena- | im gonna go to fsecure headquarters |
| 02:01.12 | Omena- | and burn the place down |
| 02:01.18 | jordo23 | abrotman: I see a bunch of stuff after that command.....running.... |
| 02:01.20 | jordo23 | I think |
| 02:01.27 | dondelelcaro | in any event, fscure et al. are totally off topic here. |
| 02:01.40 | Omena- | not totally |
| 02:01.42 | tomato | agreed |
| 02:01.44 | Omena- | they have linux software :D |
| 02:01.58 | tomato | if it aint packaged for debian it is probaby off topic eh? |
| 02:02.06 | Omena- | ;_; |
| 02:02.06 | tomato | Omena- come back when you make a deb out of it |
| 02:02.07 | tomato | :) |
| 02:02.14 | Omena- | alien! |
| 02:02.15 | pythonic | i have two hard-linked files. using just one of the filenames how do i unlink-and-copy (preferebly without using temporary files) so i have two distinct files with the same contents? |
| 02:02.23 | zood_ | I'm running sarge. Do I need to make some changes to sources.list now that etch became stable? |
| 02:02.34 | tomato | !sarge-> etch |
| 02:02.37 | tomato | doh |
| 02:02.38 | lontra | zood_: yes...change 'stable' to sarge |
| 02:02.38 | dalias | DKLjlgffsdkl libpoppler v5 isn't in sid yet |
| 02:02.42 | tomato | space |
| 02:02.43 | lontra | zood_: in sources.list |
| 02:02.44 | tomato | !sarge->etch |
| 02:02.44 | dpkg | first read the etch release noetes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; then editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; change all non-local mentions of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch". Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. also ask me about <security> |
| 02:02.51 | dalias | so no epdfview :( |
| 02:02.57 | pythonic | it's a pity cat foo > foo doesn't work :-/ |
| 02:02.59 | tomato | zood_ lookit what dpkg say |
| 02:03.06 | lontra | tomato: zood_ never asked how to upgrade |
| 02:03.08 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: use slurp |
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| 02:03.11 | markybob | pythonic: yes...damn logic |
| 02:03.13 | tomato | lontra why? |
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| 02:03.16 | dalias | pythonic, a bad idea :) |
| 02:03.26 | dalias | and it does work |
| 02:03.28 | tomato | lontra any reasons? |
| 02:03.32 | dalias | it just truncates "foo" :) |
| 02:03.38 | lontra | tomato: well that just wasn't his/her question... |
| 02:03.40 | zood_ | tomato, lontra, thanks |
| 02:03.57 | tomato | lontra I think it was |
| 02:04.07 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: err... sponge I mean. |
| 02:04.12 | tomato | he was running sarge, and indirectly he asked about upgradng to etch |
| 02:04.13 | pythonic | no, cat foo > foo says cat: foo: input file is output file |
| 02:04.38 | CaT[tm] | behold the wisdom of cat! |
| 02:04.40 | pythonic | dondelelcaro: thanks :-) |
| 02:04.48 | dalias | pythonic, well that's a bug in GNU cat then |
| 02:05.07 | CaT[tm] | jsut do >foo |
| 02:05.09 | dalias | and it's not protecting you from anything |
| 02:05.10 | CaT[tm] | if you wish to truncate |
| 02:05.17 | dalias | the shell already truncated "foo" before cat started |
| 02:05.18 | CaT[tm] | dallas: yeah it is. |
| 02:05.25 | CaT[tm] | good pt. :) |
| 02:05.54 | dalias | :) |
| 02:06.14 | dalias | i use busybox cat which has no such bug :) |
| 02:06.36 | CaT[tm] | dallas: well in the end it's a useless use of cat |
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| 02:07.13 | dalias | yes, it is, but it's still broken |
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| 02:07.21 | CaT[tm] | dallas: actually, I think cat is probably trying to protect one from cat foo >>foo |
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| 02:07.54 | dalias | :)) |
| 02:07.57 | dalias | that's a fun command |
| 02:08.20 | stoned | +retarded |
| 02:08.23 | CaT[tm] | it is rather :) |
| 02:08.23 | stoned | no offense |
| 02:08.24 | pythonic | hmm.. still no dice. i need something to read the file, unlink, then write the file. |
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| 02:08.49 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: why does it need to unlink the file? |
| 02:08.49 | The_Ball | Anyone had apt-spy segfault? |
| 02:08.57 | pythonic | i have two hard linked files. i want to "disassociate" them. |
| 02:09.05 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: so cp |
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| 02:09.17 | pythonic | cp foo foo |
| 02:09.27 | pythonic | cp: `foo' and `foo' are the same file |
| 02:09.37 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: no silly. cp foo temp; mv temp foo; |
| 02:09.49 | liable | is there something like libapache-modgallery but makes it easy to add comments for photo's? |
| 02:09.52 | pythonic | can i do it without a temporary file? |
| 02:10.07 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: no. |
| 02:10.28 | lontra | The_Ball: check bts |
| 02:10.32 | don_jr__ | finally got X to start |
| 02:10.33 | dondelelcaro | well, I lie; you can, but why bother? |
| 02:10.43 | The_Ball | lontra, what is bts? |
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| 02:10.53 | lontra | !bts |
| 02:10.53 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 02:10.54 | smacnay | Can update-initramfs keep records of a former initrd kernel and try to update it even if that kernel was removed? |
| 02:11.02 | dalias | cat[tm], it's only well-defined if you use the -u option to cat tho |
| 02:11.10 | The_Ball | ah, cheers |
| 02:11.15 | don_jr__ | h00t I installed nvidis-xconfig and it worked first time running |
| 02:11.21 | lontra | The_Ball: if it |
| 02:11.27 | dalias | and i suspect most implementations are broken still |
| 02:11.29 | pythonic | dondelelcaro: because i'd like to write a script to handle it, without knowing the context (and what temporary files name i could use). |
| 02:11.30 | lontra | The_Ball: if it's not there...file a bug and help the project :) |
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| 02:11.52 | The_Ball | lontra, it's there: #418548 |
| 02:12.11 | pythonic | can i generate random tmp filenames in bash? |
| 02:12.20 | lontra | The_Ball: well you can add a comment and says it's reproducible or not ... |
| 02:12.20 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: yes. |
| 02:12.26 | smacnay | I am booted into a kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 but when I run /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u, I get an error saying /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20.version does not exist. |
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| 02:12.34 | lyp | http://testing.com |
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| 02:13.36 | dondelelcaro | (it'd look something like perl -MIO::File -e 'for my $f (@ARGV) { my $file = IO::File->new($f,q(r)); local $/; my $fd = <$file>; close $file; unlink($f); $file = IO::File->new($f,q(w)); print {$file} $fd; close $file;}' |
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| 02:14.33 | lyp | http://testing2.com |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | lyp: ? |
| 02:14.51 | lontra | lyp: wtf? |
| 02:14.53 | markybob | spamming fuck |
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| 02:15.21 | lyp | just testing irssi |
| 02:15.37 | lyp | having trouble with a script. ignore |
| 02:15.38 | markybob | heaven forbit you start your own channel for your testing |
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| 02:15.40 | zood_ | I've changed all "stable" to "sarge" in sources.list. But how do I handle the http://www.debian-multimedia.org repository? |
| 02:15.42 | markybob | mess everyone else up |
| 02:16.05 | zood_ | I'm running sarge and trying not to upgrade to etch |
| 02:16.08 | abrotman | lyp: try #lyp |
| 02:16.20 | lontra | zood_: good question...change stable to sarge still |
| 02:16.31 | lyp | sorry got to be specific chans |
| 02:16.42 | lontra | lyp: why? |
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| 02:17.42 | lontra | zood_: you could always comment that line out too |
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| 02:19.19 | jordo23 | I am trying to remove any instance of mysql from a server of mine. I ran apt-get remove mysql* and in the process of removing it always hangs when trying to stop the mysql server.....I can't seem to stop it manually either....HELP! |
| 02:19.35 | BlueParrot | jordo23: kill -9 ? |
| 02:19.43 | stoned | zoot |
| 02:19.43 | stoned | bye |
| 02:19.50 | haggz | Night of the Living MySQL...only FIRE can stop it! |
| 02:20.18 | pythonic | dondelelcaro: can i do it without perl? :-) |
| 02:20.20 | BlueParrot | jordo23: have you tried to just kill the process and then uninstall it ? |
| 02:20.24 | Coweater | is there any way to reset the mouse in xorg without restarting it? (lost it to an app i killed) |
| 02:20.33 | smacnay | can one remove record of of new initrd kernels (for update-initramfs) that have already been removed? |
| 02:20.38 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: I think it just worked....testing... |
| 02:20.55 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: you can do it in any language you want. |
| 02:21.19 | jordo23 | How do I check if mysql process are running? ps aux | grep mysql does show output if that's it.... |
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| 02:21.39 | lontra | jordo23: top? |
| 02:21.48 | jordo23 | lontra: huh? |
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| 02:21.51 | BlueParrot | heh, I was wondering why it took 3 seconds to open a terminal in xfce .. then I remember that I am moving 3 gigs on the drive that / is mounted from : ) |
| 02:22.07 | lontra | [21:21] <jordo23> How do I check if mysql process are running <--- top? |
| 02:22.35 | BlueParrot | ps aux | grep is surely easier ? |
| 02:22.56 | jordo23 | Yeah....still says mysqld is running even though APT says it's uninstalled.... |
| 02:23.08 | lontra | jordo23: kill that bastard then |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman_ | ps aux | grep mysql |
| 02:23.13 | dondelelcaro | pgrep msyql |
| 02:23.33 | jordo23 | Top shows five instances running? |
| 02:23.36 | jordo23 | Whoa! |
| 02:23.57 | haggz | jordo23: its a server process, so it keeps multiple copies available |
| 02:24.19 | jordo23 | Fine and all.....how do I kill them again? |
| 02:24.31 | BlueParrot | jordo23: get the process numbers and then just kill them all |
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| 02:24.46 | BlueParrot | kill -9 and then the process id(s) |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman_ | pkill |
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| 02:25.09 | lontra | !kill mysqld |
| 02:25.19 | lontra | that's how you kill it |
| 02:25.59 | pythonic | no, no, no! |
| 02:26.03 | pythonic | !crucify mysqld |
| 02:26.12 | paroneayea | lspci should show a device even if it hasn't been modprob'd, right? |
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| 02:26.37 | BlueParrot | Best sugestion I have seen so far was to send it SIGSTOP followed by SIGHAMMERTIME |
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| 02:27.11 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: Everytime I kill an instance of mysqld another pops up... |
| 02:27.25 | BlueParrot | night of the unliving mySQL : ) |
| 02:27.33 | BlueParrot | jordo23: kill them all at once |
| 02:27.34 | haggz | jordo23: doesn't mysql have a script in /etc/init.d? |
| 02:27.54 | jordo23 | haggz: Yeah...but it keeps hanging... |
| 02:27.57 | bitflip | On a pristine debian etch install does debian use "uswsusp" for sleep/suspend? |
| 02:28.00 | BlueParrot | kill -9 process1 process2 process3 ... |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | pkill |
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| 02:28.43 | zood_ | Running sarge. Want to keep running sarge. But: `apt-get update` gives "http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge/main Packages"... "404 Not Found". What do I change the "sarge" in the debian-multimedia line of sources.list to? |
| 02:29.20 | lontra | zood_: if sarge doesn't work you could try 'oldstable' or email marillat to ask? |
| 02:29.20 | Azar | zood_: show the exact source line as listed in your sources.list |
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| 02:29.31 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: I did that....then ran top and they keep coming back |
| 02:29.50 | lontra | Azar: sarge is now the old stable so he had to change it from stable cause he doesn't want to track etch |
| 02:29.51 | zood_ | Azar: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main |
| 02:30.03 | jordo23 | And now my server mysteriously rebooted.....wierd! |
| 02:30.14 | jordo23 | Someone call the cops... |
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| 02:30.21 | zood_ | lontra: yup |
| 02:30.22 | BlueParrot | jordo23: meh, just boot into single user mode and uninstall it |
| 02:30.36 | BlueParrot | if you are rebooting anyway |
| 02:30.46 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: I am doing the administration through SSH |
| 02:30.51 | Azar | zood_: try http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge/main |
| 02:31.10 | Azar | hmm never seen a source with http://www. |
| 02:31.19 | ggeecko | how is debian 4 |
| 02:31.42 | lontra | ggeecko: like having 2 sisters at the same time |
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| 02:32.02 | BlueParrot | jordo23: what is the name of the process ? as suggested you could just use pkill to kill them all |
| 02:32.16 | Azar | usually you do a wget to a download target not a webpage |
| 02:32.24 | haggz | jordo23 |
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| 02:32.35 | Azar | zood_: did that source "ever" worked? |
| 02:32.43 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: My server rebooted....now they are gone.... |
| 02:32.49 | haggz | jordo23: look at the ppid of all the server processes, see if one of them is spawning from something else |
| 02:33.01 | lontra | Azar: yes...that's what marillat is now |
| 02:33.03 | BlueParrot | jordo23: good then : ) |
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| 02:33.20 | zood_ | lontra: so do I just need marillat? |
| 02:33.24 | Azar | lontra: ah I see, a 404 error could mean that the site/server is down |
| 02:33.37 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: Now for the reinstall....wish me luck |
| 02:33.39 | lontra | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main <-- my sources.list works fine |
| 02:33.43 | cafuego | No, a 404 means the server is up. |
| 02:33.53 | lontra | zood_: marillat is debian-multimedia |
| 02:33.58 | cafuego | However, it emans the file you wanted wasn't present on the server |
| 02:34.07 | lontra | zood_: i don't think you can use that repo anymore unless you want to use etch |
| 02:34.09 | BlueParrot | jordo23: good luck ... |
| 02:34.13 | jordo23 | BlueParrot: Do I install mysql-server or mysql-server-5.0 ?? |
| 02:34.25 | BlueParrot | jordo23: I have absoluteley no clue at all |
| 02:34.29 | jordo23 | anyone? |
| 02:34.30 | Azar | marillat didn't worked for me since the birth of sarge |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | either |
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| 02:36.15 | jordo23 | Anyone know where i can get a default sources.list for Debian Etch? |
| 02:36.21 | jordo23 | Or can someone pastebin me one? |
| 02:36.43 | Omena- | jesus |
| 02:36.51 | Omena- | PHP5 isnt compatible with PHP4 :D |
| 02:36.54 | Azar | Omena-: you are back! :) |
| 02:36.58 | lontra | !sources.list |
| 02:36.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:36.58 | don_jr__ | I am on KSirc thingy on my debian box, since I finally got X and kde up and running, but it won't let me talk in this channel, anyone know why? |
| 02:37.13 | zood_ | lontra: seems like you might be right. bummer... |
| 02:37.22 | lontra | don_jr__: talking is prohibited? |
| 02:37.37 | lontra | zood_: well you still got the packages you got :D |
| 02:38.23 | zood_ | lontra: yah looks like maybe I'll just try the etch upgrade |
| 02:38.24 | jordo23 | lontra: How does that give me server addresses? |
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| 02:38.42 | don_jr__ | lontra I'm on under a different name in here on my other box, don_s_jr and on that name it won't let me talk, says "cannot send to channel' |
| 02:38.46 | Azar | jordo23: tried apt setup? |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | Omena-: install php5 |
| 02:39.07 | lontra | don_jr__: oh i see ... you don't mean literally talk ... i.e. voice |
| 02:39.36 | lontra | sweet k3b 1.0 is in sid |
| 02:39.36 | jordo23 | Azar: is that the command? |
| 02:39.36 | Azar | jordo23: yes |
| 02:39.38 | jordo23 | Azar: didn't do anything.... |
| 02:39.41 | don_jr__ | lontra correct, it won't let me send any text to this room from my other box and I'm not sure whhy, any suggestions anyone? |
| 02:39.55 | zood_ | What was the factoid for upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 02:39.56 | lontra | !tell jordo23 about sources.list |
| 02:40.01 | lontra | !sarge->etch |
| 02:40.02 | dpkg | first read the etch release noetes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; then editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; change all non-local mentions of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch". Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. also ask me about <security> |
| 02:40.23 | zood_ | lontra: thanks |
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| 02:41.00 | lontra | jordo23: if you live in the us you replace <cc> with us and so on |
| 02:41.36 | don_jr__ | Would anyone be able to tell me why I cannot send text to this room on my other box using KSirc? |
| 02:41.48 | Omena- | php5-mysql |
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| 02:44.39 | Omena- | what is this mirrors.kernel.org sourcelist? |
| 02:45.01 | Omena- | do i have to have it? |
| 02:45.18 | Azar | Beginner's guide to Debian Etch is out: http://www.free-bees.co.uk/articles/debianetchguide/ |
| 02:45.42 | Azar | Omena-: I have it does not hurt.. |
| 02:45.52 | Omena- | ok |
| 02:45.57 | Omena- | my apt works |
| 02:46.08 | Azar | Omena-: ...say, you got Etch yet? |
| 02:46.09 | Omena- | it installs programs |
| 02:46.15 | Omena- | just that it gives error everytime :D |
| 02:46.23 | Omena- | but i dont have to care about it |
| 02:46.27 | Omena- | it still installs the packs i want |
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| 02:46.31 | Omena- | so its no big deal i guess |
| 02:46.42 | diskus | errors about public keys? |
| 02:46.47 | Omena- | Setting up liblockdev1 (1.0.3-1.2) ... |
| 02:46.53 | Omena- | it everytime does that |
| 02:46.57 | Omena- | it cannot manage to install it |
| 02:47.08 | Omena- | and eveerytime i install something it has to try install that :D |
| 02:47.14 | Azar | Omena-: using aptitude instead of apt-get helps keep clean your system and packages' dependencies ok |
| 02:47.24 | Omena- | aptitude install? |
| 02:47.29 | Azar | yes |
| 02:47.41 | Azar | aptitude install, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade... |
| 02:47.47 | Omena- | so if liblockdev1 is giving me trouble |
| 02:47.49 | Omena- | should i remove it? |
| 02:47.54 | jordo23 | The whole point of this is I am trying to install wordpress.....now that I am back to square one, will apt-get install wordpress install the appropriate mysql and php files? |
| 02:48.07 | Omena- | well actually its not a problem |
| 02:48.12 | Azar | Omena-: I have no idea what that package is for |
| 02:48.13 | Omena- | its just nasty having a huge error message |
| 02:48.18 | Omena- | everytime i install somethin :D |
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| 02:51.46 | don_jr__ | Yay, I'm on my new debian box and X and kde all work great!! |
| 02:51.53 | Azar | Run-time shared library for locking devices < what for? |
| 02:52.03 | Omena- | well nice to hear someone is working :-D |
| 02:52.34 | don_jr__ | Now how do I alter the screen res from within kde? I can never find it.... |
| 02:52.45 | Omena- | ctrl alt + - |
| 02:52.46 | Azar | Omena-: you can try to apt-get remove liblockdev1 > then aptitude install liblockdev1 |
| 02:52.59 | Omena- | nah |
| 02:53.05 | Omena- | its just gonn a brake |
| 02:53.16 | Azar | is already broken :) |
| 02:53.23 | Omena- | it always is |
| 02:53.31 | Omena- | since i started using in 2003 |
| 02:53.32 | Azar | so remove it and reinstall it |
| 02:53.41 | Omena- | the apt has never worked :-D |
| 02:53.45 | don_jr__ | thanks Omena it looks like I may need to get a few more resolutions put in, cause it only let's me change between 2 and I dont' like either |
| 02:53.46 | Azar | hehe woody legacy package? |
| 02:54.03 | dalias | woody?! |
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| 02:54.09 | Azar | ok so if you don't remove it don't complain about it |
| 02:54.14 | Omena- | don_jr__ yea that requires some xorg.conf modifying |
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| 02:54.33 | Omena- | i dont like to mess with apt |
| 02:54.39 | Omena- | its so hopless trying fix it |
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| 02:54.50 | Omena- | noone actually knows how it works |
| 02:54.55 | Azar | Omena-: so is useless to run Debian if you do not like to use apt |
| 02:54.58 | Omena- | it just doesnt :D |
| 02:55.07 | Omena- | oh yes i like to use apt |
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| 02:55.11 | Omena- | its too good to be true |
| 02:55.31 | Azar | Omena-: do you enjoy stuffing non-debian packages in your system? |
| 02:55.45 | diskus | apt-get seems to be translated nicely to russian :P |
| 02:55.46 | Omena- | no |
| 02:56.00 | Omena- | i always use the most stable things |
| 02:56.09 | Omena- | or the ones that dont brake |
| 02:56.12 | Omena- | atleast shouldnt |
| 02:56.16 | Omena- | yea right.. |
| 02:56.22 | Azar | things don't brake, they break |
| 02:56.29 | Omena- | sure |
| 02:56.31 | Omena- | whatever |
| 02:56.49 | Omena- | my body uptime is 24hours |
| 02:57.00 | Omena- | and my eyes are all red ;< |
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| 02:57.18 | don_jr__ | how do I add my name to the sudoers file? |
| 02:57.22 | Azar | Omena-: don't tell... I just came from the dentist |
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| 02:57.37 | LinuxNIT | how can i get the 4th button on my mouse to emit a different signal? at the moment it is interpereted as a middle click |
| 02:57.38 | abrotman | man sudoers ? |
| 02:57.43 | Azar | don_jr__: groups |
| 02:57.49 | Omena- | i need some book about apt |
| 02:58.39 | Azar | here mister Omena- your book: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
| 02:58.42 | haggz | omena: aptitude install apt-howto-en |
| 02:59.32 | \amethyst | LinuxNIT: man xmodmap, look for pointer |
| 02:59.38 | Azar | "This manual is based on the next Debian release, Sarge." |
| 02:59.39 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
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| 02:59.59 | \amethyst | LinuxNIT: You also need to make sure Buttons is set high enough in xorg.conf |
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| 03:00.44 | LinuxNIT | what should it be for a 4 button mouse? |
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| 03:04.11 | jordo23 | Got mysql working I think, but why would 'mysqladmin -u root password mysqlrootpassword' give me an access denied to the root user? |
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| 03:05.19 | markybob | heh...that's funny. my tax return is $69 :) |
| 03:05.23 | Azar | new LAMP is out.. |
| 03:05.38 | Azar | markybob: they scammed you: I got $600.00 |
| 03:05.51 | markybob | Azar: yours isnt funny |
| 03:06.08 | Azar | markybob: it is my job not to make it funny |
| 03:06.16 | don_jr__ | Okay, for me as a single user on this box, how can I give myself permission to do everything with sudo? would I do liek this 'name host NOPASSWD: /' ?? |
| 03:06.21 | Azar | I'm an accountant... |
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| 03:07.00 | don_jr__ | forgot the = between the hoste and the modifier, but would that be the way to do it? |
| 03:07.02 | Azar | don_jr__: those days you can never be sure you are the only user on that or any box |
| 03:07.29 | don_jr__ | Azar maybe not, but close enough in my own home, so I leave the password on, either way is the syntax correct for the sudoers file? |
| 03:07.44 | don_jr__ | to allow me to do ANYTHING as sudo? |
| 03:07.45 | Azar | I just use su |
| 03:08.05 | don_jr__ | Azar okay, how's that one work? lol let me read up on it |
| 03:08.07 | Azar | well try the wheel group |
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| 03:08.29 | Azar | strongly not recommended by security advisors, but I use it |
| 03:08.58 | markybob | i like wheel...just cant let go of it since my bsdi days |
| 03:09.42 | sword | don_jr__: ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 03:09.43 | Azar | markybob: now even bsd-ers are against it... I never catched the real reason.. |
| 03:09.43 | don_jr__ | Okay, I"m pretty new to this and this is my first debian system, before this I ran kubuntu wich came with sudo already enabled on the user account that was used in creation. |
| 03:09.53 | Azar | as I never catched the sudo thing... I just "su" and that it |
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| 03:10.22 | don_jr__ | sword I just put that line right there in the sudoers file and I'll be able to run sudo? |
| 03:11.05 | sword | don_jr__: well, you've got to specify "username ALL..." but yeah |
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| 03:11.50 | sword | don_jr__: not the most secure thing ever |
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| 03:12.13 | simonrvn | oh shit, glibc 2.5? |
| 03:12.18 | Azar | anyone interested in the new LAMP release? |
| 03:12.24 | lontra | don_jr__: lontra ALL=(ALL) ALL <-- that's in my /etc/sudoers |
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| 03:12.34 | simonrvn | not unless i have to, Azar |
| 03:12.36 | Azar | good evening honorable simonrvn |
| 03:12.45 | don_jr__ | after I've used su so that I can change the sudoers file, how do I get back to my own name and out of su? |
| 03:12.46 | simonrvn | wow, um, hi Azar |
| 03:12.55 | Azar | :) |
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| 03:13.15 | diskus | don_jr__: exit? |
| 03:13.18 | Azar | don_jr__: you will type "exit" |
| 03:13.29 | don_jr__ | diskus Azar thank you |
| 03:13.33 | simonrvn | or ctrl-d |
| 03:13.38 | lontra | don_jr__: to edit sudoers...you should use visudo |
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| 03:14.06 | Phrozen_One | how do you reload bash files, such as .bashrc, in a session? |
| 03:14.06 | lontra | simonrvn: 2.5 in experimental? |
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| 03:14.11 | abrotman | source |
| 03:14.17 | simonrvn | no sid |
| 03:14.24 | don_jr__ | don't know what visudo is....but doing it as su worked I can now use sudo on my normal name with a PW! that's all I needed |
| 03:14.31 | lontra | really? i must need to update |
| 03:14.32 | simonrvn | should be a comma after no |
| 03:14.33 | myren_ | what is the kernel module to gt a /dev/input for a bluetooth ekbyoard |
| 03:14.49 | lontra | 2.5-0exp6 0 1 http://debian.osuosl.org experimental/main Packages |
| 03:15.41 | Azar | wow that kinda drastic o/t: hapiness is a mental illness... Guerin that sticks to your style |
| 03:15.43 | Phrozen_One | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:15.51 | abrotman | HI |
| 03:15.57 | Phrozen_One | HELLO |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | oh .. you're welcome :) |
| 03:16.29 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 03:16.29 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 03:16.35 | don_jr__ | If I add a new repo, like the wine repos for the newest version, and I run aptitude install wine, will aptitude check all repos for dep's on that install? |
| 03:16.38 | NefariousPrior | Mental Illness, now that's my topic. |
| 03:16.53 | lontra | don_jr__: yeppers |
| 03:17.07 | Phrozen_One | how do you echo a tail to a file such as "alias ls="ls -la"" if you need double quotes within other double quotes? |
| 03:17.24 | NefariousPrior | \" ? |
| 03:17.47 | don_jr__ | lontra thanks |
| 03:17.48 | rahul | start putting backslashes before it |
| 03:18.04 | rahul | anywhere from 1 to 5, typically |
| 03:18.08 | Phrozen_One | thanks for the help |
| 03:18.10 | NefariousPrior | "alias ls=\"ls -la\"" |
| 03:18.27 | Phrozen_One | how come dircolors isnt enabled by default on debian, user preference? |
| 03:18.51 | NefariousPrior | Phrozen_One: Who the hell uses a monitor with more than 1 color? pfffttt |
| 03:19.03 | dalias | :) |
| 03:19.05 | Azar | so called escape sequences |
| 03:19.30 | Phrozen_One | NefariousPrior, your right, maybe someoday we will have more than 64k ram |
| 03:19.31 | NefariousPrior | I don't see what we would use it for. 8-) |
| 03:19.48 | haggz | NefariousPrior: pfffft, monitors are for sissies, hard copy teletype output is the way to go |
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| 03:20.01 | NefariousPrior | wow |
| 03:20.07 | Phrozen_One | haggz, when did this breakthrough occur? |
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| 03:20.54 | don_jr__ | Yesterday at 5pm Central Standard US time? |
| 03:21.07 | haggz | Phrozen_One: I wonder how big a pile of punch cards it would take to distribute all packages in debian |
| 03:21.21 | don_jr__ | haggz lmao |
| 03:21.42 | don_jr__ | that's funny, would rather use the old ribbon cartridges! =) |
| 03:21.42 | NefariousPrior | nice |
| 03:21.50 | Phrozen_One | haggz, funny you mention that, you watch any of the Shmoocon videos? |
| 03:22.23 | Phrozen_One | think defcon in Washington, D.C. |
| 03:22.28 | haggz | Debian: the only distro with coders trying to port gnu/hurd to run on Babbage's Analytical Engine |
| 03:23.28 | NefariousPrior | !shmoocon |
| 03:24.12 | NefariousPrior | apt-play video shmoocon |
| 03:27.09 | Phrozen_One | ls |
| 03:27.31 | Rooster1a3 | wrong window? :p |
| 03:27.44 | Phrozen_One | I make no mistakes, you just can't comprehend my meaning |
| 03:27.53 | amphi | ETERM |
| 03:28.06 | Phrozen_One | apt-get install pornography |
| 03:29.02 | nomasteryoda|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.03 | nomasteryoda|w | =D |
| 03:29.30 | nomasteryoda|w | hehe |
| 03:29.33 | nomasteryoda|w | good script |
| 03:29.40 | nomasteryoda|w | also one for nzb files |
| 03:29.43 | Phrozen_One | give me a link, I won't use it tho :\ |
| 03:29.47 | nomasteryoda|w | i use nzb extractor... |
| 03:29.48 | nomasteryoda|w | hangon |
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| 03:29.59 | Rooster1a3 | headers for me :( |
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| 03:30.13 | Rooster1a3 | but i only d/l text messages :p |
| 03:30.39 | rahul | !lesbian |
| 03:30.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 03:30.40 | nomasteryoda|w | http://www.madcowdisease.org/mcd/misc |
| 03:30.45 | nomasteryoda|w | good scripts |
| 03:30.57 | NefariousPrior | lesbian. lmao |
| 03:31.05 | nomasteryoda|w | combined into a script and you have an autoextractor for rar/par |
| 03:31.14 | rahul | it's real |
| 03:31.17 | rahul | go there :) |
| 03:32.18 | NefariousPrior | umm, where is pornotube? |
| 03:32.21 | Azar | rahul: you don't have bad taste.. |
| 03:32.23 | Rooster1a3 | haha lesbian, crazy francois tabarnaks |
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| 03:32.31 | Phrozen_One | skintube :) |
| 03:32.47 | Azar | guys don't try to copy rahul.. he is "special" let's keep the topic |
| 03:32.47 | dondelelcaro | pr0n and it's ilk are OT here, no matter how titilating it may be. |
| 03:33.17 | Azar | wow I was at same thoughts as dondelecaro (my grade goes up) |
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| 03:33.49 | don_jr__ | To add different resolutions to my xorg.conf file, should I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or just manually add them? |
| 03:34.06 | maddash | "pornotube.py"? |
| 03:34.07 | dondelelcaro | don_jr__: whichever you prefer |
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| 03:34.10 | Azar | don_jr__: not good to manually do them... use the tools Luke |
| 03:34.33 | don_jr__ | Azar thought so, wanted to check, trying not to make any newbish mistakes too early in the game! lol |
| 03:34.47 | NefariousPrior | maddash: It was refernced a moment ago yet I can't find it. |
| 03:34.56 | Azar | don_jr__: you can allways read the header of the xorg.conf file, gonna tell you the same |
| 03:34.58 | maddash | doesn't ext3 make it impossible to recover rm-ed files? |
| 03:35.22 | Azar | awwww we don't have an "undo" tool? |
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| 03:36.14 | markybob | maddash: test it. make a text file, rm it, grep the partition for its contents |
| 03:36.54 | n0mad | i ran testing + the unstable repo via apt pinning before the official etch-release and everything worked fine. now i added the stable repo (aka former testing) and gave it the highest pinning priority but it simply isnt working. everytime apt-get upgrade wants me to upgrade completely to testing. why is that ? |
| 03:37.28 | fooz | do you still have the testing line in? |
| 03:37.45 | Azar | n0mad: may be because stable never works ok +testing or / and + unstable |
| 03:38.08 | maddash | markybob: ext3 doesn't zero out the contents, just the ext3-specific data. interestingly, i am still able to see my deleted files with debugfs |
| 03:38.34 | Azar | n0mad: now you have to chose: install stable and stay with it or keep sitting with testing+unstable |
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| 03:39.10 | markybob | maddash: what's your goal? to recover or to permanently delete? |
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| 03:40.44 | dondelelcaro | maddash: almost no filesystem zeros the contents; it's too expensive. |
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| 03:41.22 | dondelelcaro | maddash: in filesystems with hard links, all you're doing is removing the link to the inode |
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| 03:42.18 | n0mad | Azar: i probably will go to testing+unstable as soon as the dust has settled. |
| 03:42.26 | \amethyst | and updating the inode |
| 03:42.44 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: well, it just decrements the inode link count |
| 03:42.53 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: and sets dtime on some filesystems |
| 03:43.12 | dondelelcaro | ah; could be. |
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| 03:43.50 | p3rti | hi |
| 03:44.09 | don_jr__ | Hello |
| 03:44.19 | maddash | markybob: permanent deletion of a target file |
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| 03:44.40 | haxality | hello, I was wondering how to remove the icons from my desktop |
| 03:44.49 | haxality | I can't delete the home and 'computer' shortcuts |
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| 03:45.10 | maddash | dondelelcaro: so can I get rid of the hard links? |
| 03:45.36 | maddash | dondelelcaro: bah forget what I asked |
| 03:46.03 | \amethyst | haxality: gnome? |
| 03:46.06 | dondelelcaro | maddash: you want wipe or similar, although read its manpage. |
| 03:46.31 | maddash | dondelelcaro: i used wipe on my test target |
| 03:46.41 | haxality | \amethyst: er, yeah, sorry |
| 03:47.07 | knowl | make menuconfig gives this error: scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory. udpate and upgrade do not help. what could be wrong? |
| 03:47.54 | maddash | dondelelcaro: i brought up the debugfs example because i had expected the lack of inodes (after an rm) to the target to prevent debugfs (or anything else) to see the deleted file |
| 03:48.08 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it works that way in ext2, but not in ext3 |
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| 03:48.25 | dondelelcaro | maddash: and that's just because of the way journaling filesystems work, which is explained in the wipe manpage |
| 03:48.50 | dondelelcaro | if you've got things that should be kept secure, you really want to only store them on an encrypted filesystem |
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| 03:48.55 | \amethyst | haxality: hmm... I uesd to know how to set that, but can't find the setting now...moment |
| 03:49.33 | \amethyst | haxality: gtweakui can do it |
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| 03:50.56 | dondelelcaro | !release notes |
| 03:50.56 | dpkg | [release notes] http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 03:51.02 | Phrozen_One | for apt, how can I get apache with ssl and perl support, in the list there are two seperate apache packages for each feature, do you have to download one and add the other feature manually? |
| 03:51.02 | \amethyst | haxality: If you install gtweakui, that will add a few new dialogs to Control Center. In the gTweakUI - Nautilus dialog, you can enable/disable those icons |
| 03:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Phrozen_One: you just want libapache-mod-perl and libapache-mod-ssl |
| 03:51.43 | dondelelcaro | there's no real reason anymore not to use the dlopen'ed modules |
| 03:52.49 | haggz | is there any documentation that anyone knows of that offers a comparative ranking of different encryption solutions in terms of security? I'm under the impression that GPG encryption is more secure than most filesystem encryption, but I'm not familiar with the details of the algorithms. |
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| 03:53.16 | militant_ | ok |
| 03:54.08 | militant_ | i'm very concerned. sarge laptop. just tried to apt-get irssi, and it said i had a lot of packages to change, then proceded to complain about rm'ing my kernel, and when i said no, it went ahead and hosed my modules anyway? |
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| 03:54.33 | knowl | make menuconfig gives this error: scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory. Udpate and upgrade do not help. What could be wrong? |
| 03:55.01 | Guerin | militant_: you're not running sarge any more. It likely was `stable', which is now etch. |
| 03:55.03 | haxality | thanks \amethyst |
| 03:55.03 | markybob | you use make menuconfig in sources, not headers |
| 03:55.25 | militant_ | Guerin, it's sarge on this laptop. etch is my desktop. |
| 03:55.27 | militant_ | but yeah |
| 03:55.31 | militant_ | i figured it was my sources |
| 03:55.31 | MANITOU | hi ! black screen after first reboot ? IBM T20 700 mhz , 384 mb ram , 8mb savage ! help !?!? |
| 03:56.05 | Phrozen_One | does apache2 include ssl by default? |
| 03:56.09 | markybob | yes |
| 03:56.17 | Guerin | militant_: do your sources say sarge, or stable? |
| 03:56.19 | militant_ | what's the deal? after a new release, i have to change my sources.list before doing any installs or anything? |
| 03:56.19 | Phrozen_One | thank you |
| 03:56.46 | Guerin | militant_: only if it's set to something you don't want. |
| 03:56.47 | militant_ | mostly stable. one says sarge |
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| 03:57.02 | Guerin | militant_: right. And stable == etch |
| 03:57.05 | militant_ | oh |
| 03:57.06 | militant_ | shiz. |
| 03:57.07 | militant_ | ok |
| 03:57.20 | militant_ | change to sarge and run... apt-something? |
| 03:57.21 | Guerin | no big deal |
| 03:57.22 | knowl | markybob: Makefile is in /usr/src/linux. linux-source is in /usr/src. |
| 03:57.23 | militant_ | to repair this? |
| 03:57.29 | Guerin | change them all to etch and proceed with the upgrade |
| 03:57.31 | militant_ | oh |
| 03:57.34 | militant_ | i don't want to upgrade yet |
| 03:57.37 | militant_ | not on this box |
| 03:57.42 | Guerin | let it remove your kernel - as long as you install another soon enough it'll be ok. |
| 03:57.51 | Guerin | it's probably too late. |
| 03:58.02 | militant_ | yeah it did my perl and ncurses and tons of libs n stuff |
| 03:58.05 | militant_ | dammit |
| 03:58.08 | militant_ | hosed. |
| 03:58.09 | Guerin | definitely too late. |
| 03:58.24 | militant_ | is there not a way to undo the most recent ? |
| 03:58.40 | Guerin | no |
| 03:58.47 | Guerin | militant_: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 03:59.08 | militant_ | damn. screw it, i'll upgrade. what's involved? |
| 03:59.21 | Azar | honorable Guerin, I was just thinking of you one hour ago.. |
| 03:59.39 | Phrozen_One | I'm a convert from gentoo, when you install a debian package, does it include the majority of feature, ex. Samba with winbind support, cups support, etc.? |
| 04:00.41 | Guerin | Phrozen_One: yes. Whatever functionality can be is usually spun off into additional packages |
| 04:00.43 | haggz | militant_: basically, just change sources.list to all target etch and aptitude dist-upgrade, but read the release notes for people upgrading from sarge, they are linked to from the debian project homepage. |
| 04:01.05 | Phrozen_One | Guerin, so debian likes modularity it seems? |
| 04:01.11 | Guerin | Phrozen_One: very much. |
| 04:01.13 | MANITOU | hi ! black screen after first reboot ? IBM T20 700 mhz , 384 mb ram , 8mb savage ! help !?!? |
| 04:01.16 | rahul | Phrozen_One: users like modularity |
| 04:01.32 | Phrozen_One | very understandable, if you don't need B, don't install it |
| 04:01.44 | Azar | MANITOU: I can't understand your question |
| 04:01.45 | Guerin | Phrozen_One: not quite as anal as gentoo about that, however. |
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| 04:02.15 | Phrozen_One | I think apt and portage are comparable, all a different approach towards a common goal |
| 04:02.47 | Phrozen_One | well you guys I'm hitting the hay, take er' easy :) |
| 04:02.48 | MANITOU | i install debian 4.0 and after install first reboot i got black screen ! |
| 04:02.51 | Azar | apt downloads, installs and fixes dependencies... does portage do that? |
| 04:03.14 | Guerin | Azar: um ... portage does that exact thing |
| 04:03.17 | Guerin | and compiling |
| 04:03.38 | Guerin | issues of quality notwithstanding, they're very similar in principle |
| 04:03.41 | Phrozen_One | didn't mean to start any type of flamewar, just stating both projects meet the same goal through different approaches |
| 04:03.45 | p3rti | hi.. i dont know why.. i upgrade my system.. i'm using sid, and now i get a Apr 11 22:18:27 localhost modprobe: WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module snd_via82xx |
| 04:03.49 | haggz | but does it have super cow powers? |
| 04:03.54 | Guerin | Phrozen_One: yes, and you're more or less right. |
| 04:03.55 | Phrozen_One | yes |
| 04:03.57 | p3rti | and i dont have this module on any blacklist on modprobe.d |
| 04:04.04 | Phrozen_One | well you guys, have a great night |
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| 04:04.14 | Guerin | haggz: if you build it with USE="+cow" |
| 04:04.18 | Azar | MANITOU: it sounds you installed the minimal, right? |
| 04:04.29 | MANITOU | Azar: yes |
| 04:04.38 | MANITOU | from DVD |
| 04:04.43 | Guerin | militant_: does your `b;lack screen' have a login prompt? |
| 04:04.44 | Azar | MANITOU: try typing startx |
| 04:04.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:04.50 | Guerin | MANITOU: does your `b;lack screen' have a login prompt? |
| 04:04.57 | MANITOU | NO |
| 04:05.06 | MANITOU | is BLACK |
| 04:05.07 | militant_ | Guerin, black screen? heh, my console? |
| 04:05.09 | MANITOU | ;) |
| 04:05.20 | MANITOU | not console BLACK |
| 04:05.42 | MANITOU | i'm not total noob ! ;) |
| 04:05.51 | Azar | MANITOU: give details of your hardware specs: cpu, ram, HD size |
| 04:06.00 | Guerin | Azar: how is any of that relevant? |
| 04:06.08 | Azar | Guerin: maybe.. |
| 04:06.18 | Guerin | MANITOU: what's the screen's default resolution? |
| 04:06.20 | MANITOU | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.25 | Azar | he installed Etch on "some PC" and it did not boot up |
| 04:06.30 | MANITOU | 1024x768 |
| 04:06.37 | Guerin | Azar: he installed on an IBM t20 |
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| 04:06.56 | Azar | Guerin: not good enough for Etch? |
| 04:07.06 | PhotonX | Hey, can you guys tell me what you think some good linux livecds are? |
| 04:07.11 | MANITOU | is smae with ubuntu |
| 04:07.14 | PhotonX | Just looking for some varied opinions |
| 04:07.20 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 04:07.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 04:07.20 | militant_ | oh |
| 04:07.23 | PhotonX | (not ubuntu though. didnt work well enough for me) |
| 04:07.26 | Guerin | MANITOU: reboot, when grub comes up hit `e', edit the kernel line and add vga=791 to the end. then hit `b' to boot |
| 04:07.29 | MANITOU | PhotonX: Backtrack |
| 04:07.33 | Guerin | Azar: plenty good enough. |
| 04:07.37 | PhotonX | whats up MANITOU? |
| 04:07.39 | PhotonX | i just joined |
| 04:07.42 | MANITOU | Guerin: ok |
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| 04:08.32 | PhotonX | Anyone? |
| 04:08.37 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 04:08.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:08.57 | Supaplex | !tell PhotonX -about debian-live |
| 04:09.28 | PhotonX | hey Supaplex, thanks. |
| 04:09.36 | PhotonX | i hope it works |
| 04:09.45 | PhotonX | (samba support was crippled in the ubuntu livecd i tried) |
| 04:09.48 | haxality | hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone know how I'd go about enabling CPU frequency scaling support on a laptop with a pentium M processor? |
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| 04:10.04 | PhotonX | its in the kernel |
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| 04:10.55 | Supaplex | haxality: aptitude search cpufreq |
| 04:11.28 | MANITOU | Guerin: nothing ! same ! :( |
| 04:11.29 | Guerin | i've found it makes the laptop slower but doesn't decrease power use |
| 04:11.49 | Guerin | have been thinking about installing an undervolt-patched kernel |
| 04:11.53 | hark | what? |
| 04:12.15 | Guerin | MANITOU: try vga=normal |
| 04:12.25 | MANITOU | Guerin: ok |
| 04:12.26 | Guerin | hark: pm cpu scaling |
| 04:13.02 | hark | surely, there's a difference.. |
| 04:13.03 | Omena- | sleep or not? |
| 04:13.08 | hark | sleep |
| 04:13.50 | hark | haxality: modprobe speedstep-centrino, iirc |
| 04:13.58 | hark | haxality: then check with cpufreq-info |
| 04:14.44 | Omena- | nowai |
| 04:15.07 | MANITOU | Guerin: nothing ! same ! :( SH.T |
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| 04:17.41 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I want to start services at start up. Can anyone tell me what files I need to edit, I should be able to google from there |
| 04:17.58 | ArtVandalae | I want to run: svnserve -r /home/debian/repo at startup |
| 04:18.01 | maddash | MANITOU: vga=771 |
| 04:18.51 | maddash | Guerin: not worth it |
| 04:18.56 | hark | maddash: maybe video=vesafb:off |
| 04:19.05 | hark | MANITOU: ^^ |
| 04:19.26 | maddash | hark: :P |
| 04:19.38 | MANITOU | go to work now thx i will give a try later ! |
| 04:20.10 | haggz | ArtVandalae: standard procedure for starting services at boot is to make a script for them, then link the script from /etc/rc.local |
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| 04:21.51 | hark | or bootmisc.sh or /etc/init.d/skeleton and /etc/init.d/README |
| 04:21.52 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 04:21.52 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
| 04:21.53 | hark | definitely not |
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| 04:24.27 | hark | one thing with cpufreq scaling.. at least the damn thing runs cooler ;) |
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| 04:24.38 | Azar | we should change the bootup screen to red |
| 04:25.04 | hark | we should implement a bsod too |
| 04:25.20 | Azar | that would be rsod |
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| 04:25.28 | Azar | no wait, bloody screen |
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| 04:25.38 | hark | heh, no happy screen ;) |
| 04:25.42 | hark | !bsod |
| 04:25.42 | dpkg | from memory, bsod is a cool screensaver in xscreensaver, or http://www.slime.com.tw/mail/mail5/ATT00013.jpg |
| 04:25.52 | hark | !bsod |
| 04:25.53 | dpkg | from memory, bsod is a cool screensaver in xscreensaver, or http://www.slime.com.tw/mail/mail5/ATT00013.jpg |
| 04:26.00 | Azar | gotta see that |
| 04:26.00 | NefariousPrior | Reccomendations for viewing .xls(Excel) files in etch ? |
| 04:26.30 | LinuxNIT | howcome debian has not developed a central control center like other major distros have? |
| 04:26.49 | Azar | heeehehe |
| 04:26.52 | solemnwarning | I can scan as root using xsane, but under my user account I xsane can't find any scanners |
| 04:27.16 | NefariousPrior | LinuxNIT: Do you want to keep track of every version of everything there is to be configured? |
| 04:27.18 | Azar | LinuxNIT: this is the central control center |
| 04:27.24 | solemnwarning | What do I need to do to make xsane work under a user account? |
| 04:27.40 | hark | read the README maybe.. |
| 04:27.42 | LinuxNIT | ooook |
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| 04:28.25 | hark | NefariousPrior: really, i guess gnumeric, open office or something in koffice.. |
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| 04:28.29 | peterS | LinuxNIT: for package configuration issues there is 'configure-debian', which is a sort of frontend to 'dpkg-reconfigure foo' for all foo on your system |
| 04:28.31 | haggz | LinuxNIT: look at /var/cache/debconf/config.dat it might make you happy |
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| 04:28.59 | hark | oh, similar to dpkg-reconfigure --a ? |
| 04:29.01 | sudo_maddash | hark: what's with the bsod spamming? |
| 04:29.16 | Azar | sudo_maddash: that was dpkg |
| 04:29.33 | hark | sudo_maddash: i remembered it as Blue screen of Happiness ;) |
| 04:29.51 | peterS | Azar: yeah but hark asked for it ... twice |
| 04:29.52 | Azar | sudo_maddash: and I proposed a rsod for linux distros |
| 04:30.11 | sudo_maddash | Azar: red? |
| 04:30.19 | LinuxNIT | im talking about setting up printers,samba,xserver,users,startup prcesses etc. all in one simple easy to use locatoin. |
| 04:30.24 | Azar | sudo_maddash: yeah like "bloody screen" |
| 04:31.37 | peterS | LinuxNIT: nobody has shown an interest in writing such a thing, I suppose. the third-party attempts (webmin, yast) are so horrible I guess people don't really think it's possible to write one that isn't |
| 04:31.40 | Azar | LinuxNIT: we use aptitude install samba xserver etc etc etc in one line |
| 04:32.13 | LinuxNIT | Azar, that does not set up the samaba server for shares and things... i think you know that though |
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| 04:32.35 | LinuxNIT | peterS, i see |
| 04:32.40 | Azar | LinuxNIT: yes indeed |
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| 04:32.51 | DragonD | how do i set the fqdn? |
| 04:33.03 | hark | LinuxNIT: there's swat for that |
| 04:33.18 | LinuxNIT | for get it... you dont understnad the concept |
| 04:33.21 | LinuxNIT | thanks any way |
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| 04:33.37 | hark | hmm.. |
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| 04:33.51 | Azar | I did not understand what he wants |
| 04:33.55 | peterS | he means something like yast, a sysadmin-in-a-window |
| 04:34.09 | DragonD | what should the hosts file look like? |
| 04:34.31 | Azar | peterS: maybe is a good idea to implement in lenny |
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| 04:34.55 | peterS | DragonD: if you don't have a permanent static IP to put in /etc/hosts for your own hostname, the usual suggestion is to commandeer some IP under 127.*.*.*, like 127.0.0.2, and put both your short hostname and your FQDN on a line with that |
| 04:35.23 | DragonD | This is for a server with a static ip. |
| 04:35.29 | peterS | Azar: there've been multiple attempts at a linux config gui. webmin failed. nobody outside suse wants to use YaST. so I dunno. |
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| 04:35.52 | peterS | DragonD: then you can just put the static IP in. 'man hosts' for details. |
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| 04:36.10 | Azar | peterS: maybe a new original Debian concept.. people love gadgets and tools |
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| 04:36.13 | DragonD | k |
| 04:36.40 | peterS | Azar: linuxconf, that one failed so long ago I forgot its name until just now |
| 04:36.42 | haggz | I think the "everything in one basket approach" to config is a bad idea, the strength of gnu/linux is modularity and flexibility. people seem to have very mixed feelings about gconf, which tries to integrate gnome administration and config. |
| 04:36.43 | gameman72 | (just a quick question (i hope)) Mem: 906792k total thats from top, thats 906 MB right? and thats all ram? |
| 04:37.16 | theroue | So in sid I'm trying to install the stock 2.6.20 kernel image package, and the accompanying headers package, but linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.20 which isn't installable. |
| 04:37.16 | peterS | gameman72: to find out how many MB, type this into your shell: expr 906792 / 1024 |
| 04:37.36 | solemnwarning | theroue: Run free -m |
| 04:37.43 | cafuego | !906792 / 1024 |
| 04:37.43 | dpkg | 885.5390625 |
| 04:37.44 | hark | theroue: yeah, it's sid after all... |
| 04:37.52 | gameman72 | right, 885 MB, thats still not the 2 GB i have in here... |
| 04:37.56 | Azar | peterS: I bet there were good tools back in the days only not gui-zed.... maybe good old tools from the past could be now polished and implemented, how many used Debian on the potato/woody times? very few comparing to today |
| 04:38.05 | cafuego | gameman72: Your kernel was compiled with HIGHMEM=1GB |
| 04:38.09 | solemnwarning | gameman72: Run free -m |
| 04:38.13 | cafuego | georgem: You want one that has HIGHMEM=4GB |
| 04:38.24 | PhotonX | haggz, gconf is a great idea. Linux is about modularity and choice, and some people choose to have integration. |
| 04:38.25 | hark | georgem: uname -r |
| 04:38.32 | DragonD | peterS i added the staic ip like 209.x.x.x dazoe.net but how does "hostname -f" find the fqdn? |
| 04:38.38 | gameman72 | 885 still, so how do i go about getting one with highmem=4gb? |
| 04:38.40 | PhotonX | I certainly would be one of those people who would want a simple way of changing settings and such |
| 04:38.43 | gameman72 | or do i have to recompile? |
| 04:38.52 | cafuego | gameman72: Did you compile this one yourself? |
| 04:38.54 | hark | gconf is good for locking people down |
| 04:38.56 | gameman72 | no, this is... |
| 04:39.01 | gameman72 | Linux kadaj 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:39.08 | gameman72 | whatever came from debian |
| 04:39.11 | solemnwarning | Isn't the stock kernel set to highmem=4gb or highmem=64gb? |
| 04:39.14 | peterS | DragonD: I think it looks up your hostname in /etc/hosts then sees whether there's a fqdn on that same line. kind of awkward, yes, but I think that's what it does |
| 04:39.45 | Azar | kadaj? |
| 04:39.45 | cafuego | 486? |
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| 04:39.45 | hark | yeah, get the 686 |
| 04:39.45 | gameman72 | Azar: hostname |
| 04:39.45 | cafuego | Try a prebaked kernel for your cpu type |
| 04:39.45 | Azar | ah |
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| 04:39.45 | gameman72 | ok, ill look into that |
| 04:39.45 | hark | or whatever your cpu should get |
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| 04:39.54 | gameman72 | amd 64 in 32 bit mode, so k7? |
| 04:40.05 | cafuego | k7, k8, 686 all fine |
| 04:40.06 | DragonD | peters cool thanks |
| 04:40.07 | Azar | yep k7 for amd32 mode |
| 04:40.18 | gameman72 | k8 is 64 then? |
| 04:40.19 | Azar | cafuego: k8 isn't for amd64 ? |
| 04:40.21 | peterS | DragonD: so like if your hostname is 'glorfindel', it would look up 'glorfindel' in /etc/hosts and find the line: 209.15.44.10 glorfindel.example.com glorfindel or whatever, then it knows |
| 04:40.31 | cafuego | k8 is the cpu type |
| 04:40.40 | Azar | gameman72: if you run the 64 |
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| 04:40.46 | gameman72 | ok thats what i meant, thanks :) |
| 04:40.49 | cafuego | You can still compile a 32bit ekrnel to the k8 target |
| 04:41.15 | cafuego | or run a 32bit suerspace under the 64bit ekrnel - you can do all sorts of fun things :-) |
| 04:41.26 | hark | there's a 'k8' image? |
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| 04:41.39 | Azar | hark: in sarge there was a k8.... |
| 04:41.52 | gameman72 | i thought about going 64 bit.... too lazy now :) |
| 04:41.56 | peterS | gameman72: seriously, if you have an amd64 processor, you may as well build a 64-bit kernel for it. that doesn't mean you have to run 64-bit userspace. |
| 04:41.59 | Azar | haven't looked yet at etch's repos |
| 04:42.06 | gameman72 | and heard theres some compatibility issues that i dont want to fight with |
| 04:42.22 | peterS | gameman72: the 64-bit kernel will work fine with your existing 32-bit install - except possibly for a few apps like netfilter/iptables |
| 04:42.25 | Azar | peterS: that is not what abrotman used to advise me. |
| 04:42.44 | Azar | On an amd64 box that runs on 32 I was told to use k7 |
| 04:42.49 | peterS | Azar: there are a few odd apps that require kernel facilities that nobody bothered to provide 32-bit versions of, yes |
| 04:43.14 | peterS | netfilter/iptables is actually the only example I can think of |
| 04:43.47 | gameman72 | of course, with new kernel comes new nvidia driver install....... again.... |
| 04:44.00 | mikes1 | puff puff |
| 04:44.09 | peterS | oh yeah, if nvidia doesn't support 64-bit kernels then that would force your hand somewhat |
| 04:44.18 | Azar | gameman72: Debian has a nvidia driver for etch |
| 04:44.22 | peterS | in the sense that you're forced to use that driver at all, I mean |
| 04:44.30 | gameman72 | oh... nvidia doesnt have 64 bit binarys? |
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| 04:44.41 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i just installed 4.0, and how come everytime i visit something locally that ends with .php, it shows me permission denied? |
| 04:44.43 | hark | should have |
| 04:44.43 | eman_ | hey all! |
| 04:44.46 | peterS | gameman72: I have no idea whether or not they do. just sayin'. |
| 04:44.47 | Azar | so the safer way is to use the k7 ? |
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| 04:44.51 | gameman72 | oh |
| 04:44.55 | BUMBACL0T | but someone said something about mod_php or something |
| 04:44.56 | eman_ | I'm trying to compile a kernel with make-kpkg |
| 04:45.02 | theroue | So in sid I'm trying to install the stock 2.6.20 kernel image package, and the accompanying headers package, but linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.20 which isn't installable. |
| 04:45.08 | gameman72 | ill just apt-get this and see what trouble i get into |
| 04:45.11 | eman_ | but the .config keeps getting overwritten with oldconfig. |
| 04:45.13 | hark | !btssmite theroue |
| 04:45.14 | eman_ | what gives? |
| 04:45.46 | Azar | gameman72: try the new aptitude install on kernel |
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| 04:46.17 | gameman72 | Azar: getting it with synaptic |
| 04:46.23 | Azar | aw nice |
| 04:47.00 | Azar | gameman72: are you a ... gamer? |
| 04:47.13 | gameman72 | ehh kinda |
| 04:47.25 | Azar | yay! tarzeau found somebody to play with you! |
| 04:47.30 | sudo_maddash | *wah* --- my linksys 16 port switch freezes ifupdown when i connect it to my computer...thank goodness for kill -9. |
| 04:47.32 | gameman72 | just a nick that i picked out and never changed really, i do play games though... gotta find something to play though |
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| 04:50.55 | tvynr | gameman72: Battle for Wesnoth. :) |
| 04:51.17 | peterS | he left |
| 04:51.23 | sudo_maddash | kill -9!!!!!! |
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| 04:51.29 | peterS | interestingly, he's registered as gameman73. I wonder how many other gamemen there are |
| 04:51.34 | tvynr | peterS: point |
| 04:51.36 | peterS | !!!!! |
| 04:51.36 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 04:52.06 | scruffy | apt/dpkg is dying when trying to install a package after my having answered N to keeping my version of a config file. Now when I `apt-get -u install` the installation of that package exits with an error (/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)). How do I tell dpkg to forget my last answer of N and go ahead and install new configuration files? |
| 04:52.09 | Azar | the worse sarge>etch upgrade howto I ever seen: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/upgrading-debian-sarga-3-to-etch-4.html |
| 04:52.19 | sudo_maddash | Mr. Pratchett: so is `kill -9` |
| 04:52.50 | CaT[tm] | scruff: tried purging the package and then reinstalling it? |
| 04:53.01 | scruffy | CaT[tm]: I'll try |
| 04:53.28 | Azar | scruffy: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 04:53.29 | haggz | azar: whoa, that how-to is completely screwed |
| 04:53.48 | Azar | haggz: yep totally |
| 04:54.04 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i just installed 4.0, and how come everytime i visit something locally that ends with .php, it shows me permission denied? |
| 04:54.12 | BUMBACL0T | but someone said something about mod_php or something, but i couldn't find it |
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| 04:54.30 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: they meant libapache2-mod-php5, probably |
| 04:54.37 | peterS | it's a package |
| 04:54.38 | sudo_maddash | Azar: how's it bad? |
| 04:54.51 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, i have that installed too |
| 04:54.57 | Azar | sudo_maddash: if you follow the steps he recommends, is totally screwed |
| 04:55.02 | BUMBACL0T | and im still getting this permission denied thing |
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| 04:55.33 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, anything that ends with .php, i get that same error |
| 04:55.44 | BUMBACL0T | permission denied i meant |
| 04:55.45 | scruffy | CaT[tm]: won't work because the package isn't installed yet |
| 04:55.50 | scruffy | Azar: lookin' |
| 04:56.15 | Azar | sudo_maddash: for example he never tells the user to edit his sources.list before dist-upgrade :) only AFTER |
| 04:56.23 | BUMBACL0T | any idea? |
| 04:56.40 | sudo_maddash | Azar: that's it? |
| 04:56.58 | Azar | he never recommends the use of aptitude like the official release notes do |
| 04:57.45 | nite613 | That howto is a little wonky, but I wouldn't be surprised if it works in "most cases" |
| 04:57.51 | Azar | he never warns that the 2.6.8 will NOT work in Etch therefore a kernel upgrade is needed right after dist-upgrade |
| 04:57.55 | scruffy | Azar: all that is doing is asking to remove packages completely unrealted to the package I'm having the problem with. |
| 04:57.58 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: I don't remember permission denied errors, but check /var/log/apache2/error.log to see what happened on the server |
| 04:58.39 | scruffy | Azar: plus it removed things like g++ which I actually want. |
| 04:58.42 | Azar | scruffy: that article shows you how to clean your system and you should keep it clean. Going with broken packages will give you errors some times |
| 04:58.50 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, [Thu Apr 12 00:56:43 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /var/www/blah/blah = is one of them |
| 04:59.10 | sudo_maddash | Azar: hm, that would mean that he's never tried his own how-to |
| 04:59.18 | BUMBACL0T | also im having problem where to put "Options ExecCGI" |
| 04:59.22 | Azar | scruffy: it removes things, you note down which of them, then after cleanup : aptitude install mydog mycat mysister mydad.. |
| 04:59.32 | scruffy | Azar: nothing was broken on the system except for the package I was trying to install. |
| 04:59.44 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: right, "Options +ExecCGI" normally goes inside a <Directory> block, for the directory you want to serve |
| 04:59.54 | Azar | scruffy: there are broken packages only they will not cry for help |
| 05:00.25 | Azar | ok scruffy... you can do whatever you want that was just fyi |
| 05:00.28 | scruffy | Azar: and the reason it was broken is that I copied a single config file over from another box into /etc/postfix (postfix was the broken package). |
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| 05:01.24 | Azar | I got this box with sarge installed from the very beginning, never had a single issue: I had the other box with sarge>etch upgraded: never had a single issue |
| 05:01.46 | Azar | err I have still |
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| 05:02.47 | mikes1 | Installs,,fresh is best |
| 05:03.41 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: see for example /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 05:06.09 | scruffy | Azar: okay, now that aptitude has finished removing some things I want to keep, my initial problem still exists. |
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| 05:06.50 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, same error |
| 05:06.51 | BUMBACL0T | :/ |
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| 05:07.35 | scruffy | can anyone give me a hand with this? http://channels.debian.net/paste/6048 |
| 05:07.57 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: what <Directory> did you put the Options line into? was it in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default or where? (you can use a pastebot if you want to show me) |
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| 05:08.43 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
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| 05:09.37 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: that's a link to .../sites-available/default, so I hope you didn't break the symlink by editing it. anyway ... that should be fine. did you add a new Options line or add to the existing one? I think perhaps you need to add to the existing one for the <Directory> you care about |
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| 05:10.02 | mikefoo | Anyone use gmail here? half my accounts can loggin via pop, other half cant |
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| 05:10.18 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, this is how it looks: http://pastebin.ca/435841 |
| 05:10.28 | peterS | also, is "La mort meurtrière" redundant, or what? |
| 05:10.55 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, that's what in 000-default |
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| 05:11.02 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: yeah, combine the two Options lines, otherwise I think the second one overrides the first. Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI |
| 05:11.35 | BUMBACL0T | oh really |
| 05:11.50 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, let me try and restart it |
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| 05:12.30 | mo1991 | azureus does not work in amd64 etch fresh install any ideas? |
| 05:12.42 | mo1991 | says can't find java |
| 05:13.20 | cafuego | mo1991: I have one REALLY good idea, which is called 'rtorrent'. |
| 05:13.24 | mo1991 | /usr/bin/azureus: line 10: exec: java: not found |
| 05:15.21 | mo1991 | I like azureus and am wondering why it doesn't' work |
| 05:15.28 | mo1991 | amd64 seems buggy even though stable |
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| 05:16.10 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, now that thing is asking me if i want to index.php |
| 05:16.14 | cafuego | You need a java virtual amchine, that's why. |
| 05:16.25 | BUMBACL0T | download* |
| 05:17.05 | basantashrestha | while apt-get update from etch, I get GPG error |
| 05:18.02 | janttsu | exit |
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| 05:18.52 | Chaos | anyone around? |
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| 05:19.16 | Chaos | anyone? |
| 05:19.35 | Chaos | I'm having issues with repositories and their md5 checksums matching |
| 05:20.00 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: hrrrrm ... try 'a2enmod php5' in case /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.{load,conf} are not both already present |
| 05:20.25 | Chaos | peterS: do you have any idea what could be wrong with apt-get? |
| 05:20.48 | peterS | Chaos: other than being obsolete for most uses, there's nothing wrong with it that I know of |
| 05:20.54 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, This module is already enabled! |
| 05:21.05 | Chaos | peterS: how is apt-get obsolete? |
| 05:21.17 | peterS | Chaos: 'cause aptitude does almost all the same things, better than apt-get does |
| 05:21.30 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: manually check to see if /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf exists (not just php5.load) |
| 05:21.54 | Chaos | peterS: it was working fine until about a month ago and I haven't been able to dowbload most packages from the repository I've been using and when I try new ones now apt-get doesn't accept them |
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| 05:22.31 | Chaos | peterS: I don't think another front end for apt-get is necessary but I'm not here to argue that right now |
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| 05:22.48 | cromwell_ | hi all |
| 05:22.48 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, it does exist |
| 05:23.14 | peterS | Chaos: necessary? no. but aptitude has some really nice features and I'm glad to have it available. anyway, I suspect it's an issue with your repository. since I don't know what repository that is, I can't be more specific |
| 05:23.16 | solemnwarning | aptitude search sucks IMO |
| 05:23.21 | solemnwarning | apt-cache gets better results |
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| 05:23.39 | vin` | solemnwarning: read the docs, aptitude search is very powerful. |
| 05:23.45 | Chaos | and if you want fewer results with apt-cache just apt-cache search blah | less |
| 05:23.49 | peterS | solemnwarning: and apt-cache is faster. so for common searches I always use apt-cache. however - aptitude search has a buttload of features that you can't get in apt-cache |
| 05:23.49 | Chaos | if you're THAT picky |
| 05:23.54 | Chaos | or grep it's output, either way |
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| 05:24.04 | cromwell_ | how may to part a repostory of debian to dvd? |
| 05:24.19 | solemnwarning | Was that english? |
| 05:24.20 | Chaos | http://debian.netcologne.de/debian/ |
| 05:24.31 | Chaos | that's the amd64 repo I've been using |
| 05:24.59 | Chaos | I was using an isp that was german for a while so I was using a german server and out of laziness never switched when I got back to the usa |
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| 05:25.03 | Caelum | is there a way to scp something through another machine? like scp from a -> b -> c |
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| 05:26.22 | peterS | Caelum: I think you have to do it manually, with cat and ssh. so for example: ssh < filename.bin foo.example.com 'ssh bar.example.com "cat > filename.bin"' |
| 05:26.42 | Caelum | peterS: neat, thank you :) |
| 05:27.00 | NuKe_MaNia | hi all |
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| 05:27.18 | peterS | Caelum: that line also illustrates a favorite trick of mine, the fact that shell redirects do not _have_ to come at the end of a command (: |
| 05:27.53 | Chaos | peterS: I've tried http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ but it didn't work |
| 05:28.25 | peterS | Chaos: dunno ... http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian works for me |
| 05:28.28 | basantashrestha | can this be used ? #gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 05:28.45 | Chaos | peterS: can I show you the output from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 05:28.55 | peterS | Chaos: sure, use a paste site |
| 05:29.06 | Chaos | ? |
| 05:29.11 | peterS | !paster |
| 05:29.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 05:30.14 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 05:30.20 | Caelum | peterS: it worked! BTW, to do an interactive login through a jump host I do ssh -t host1 ssh host2 |
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| 05:30.34 | SerajewelKS | at least daily someone tries to break into my vsftpd with a brute-force or dictionary bot |
| 05:30.36 | peterS | Caelum: heh, yeah, that works |
| 05:30.41 | SerajewelKS | against the Administrator account... |
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| 05:31.29 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you need to set up an Administrator account on your ftp server, whose vsftpd instance chroots to a directory containing things like COMMAND.COM and WINDOWS/System32/ |
| 05:31.45 | peterS | ...but which is read-only |
| 05:31.52 | dts | Why does this simple command not work? It says -a is not a command (Which it isn't because it's a program option for time) --> "time -a -o"test" ls" |
| 05:32.02 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i should... and put some file "super_secret_data.exe" in there with blaster or something |
| 05:32.06 | Chaos | peterS: http://pastebin.ca/435866 |
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| 05:32.31 | peterS | dts: probably because time is a bash builtin function. if you want the program from the 'time' package, use 'command time' |
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| 05:32.41 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah i'm so doing that, btw |
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| 05:33.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: distributing malware on purpose is kinda illegal. but you could give them a good scare with a false positive of some sort |
| 05:33.05 | dts | peterS: Thanks that was easy! |
| 05:33.20 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i'm not distributing malware if they requested it |
| 05:33.30 | peterS | dts: if you don't like the builtin, 'alias time="command time"' in .bashrc or similar |
| 05:33.36 | SerajewelKS | peterS: not like i emailed it to them |
| 05:33.44 | peterS | SerajewelKS: sure you are, how is that not distributing? |
| 05:33.57 | SerajewelKS | peterS: they broke into my server and downloaded it! i was trying to prevent access to it! |
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| 05:34.14 | dts | peterS: I'm using it in crontab :-S |
| 05:34.28 | SerajewelKS | peterS: but i really meant the general idea you gave, not the malware |
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| 05:34.53 | SerajewelKS | peterS: put some files in there and a "secret data.txt" that contains something along the lines of "Hey, you fuckhead, this is a Linux server. Have a nice day." |
| 05:35.02 | Chaos | peterS: did you check the url? |
| 05:35.05 | markc | are there any heavy duty alsa users here ? |
| 05:35.20 | liable | heh |
| 05:35.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Any clue to configure the memory card reader included in my laptop? |
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| 05:35.46 | Chaos | gonzaloaf_laptop: kernel options |
| 05:35.53 | peterS | Chaos: yeah, offhand I don't know what causes that. |
| 05:36.04 | haggz | speaking of distributing and the law, if i give someone a debian install cd, im technically responsible for providing the source code if they ask, since im the distributor, right? but once a package is updated from a debian repo, then the obligation for that package shifts back to debian? |
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| 05:36.07 | Chaos | peterS: and that's just with the US server |
| 05:36.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Chaos, I have to recompile my kernel? |
| 05:36.08 | markc | or, are there any channels for alsa/audio users (aside from #alsa, they'll all asleep) ? |
| 05:36.17 | Chaos | I'll show you what it says with the german one... |
| 05:36.20 | SerajewelKS | hmm, does vsftpd let you restrict who can log in? i don't want root to be able to. |
| 05:36.37 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the text file should have two lines: "im in ur ftp" "loggin ur ip and reportin u 2 the fbi" |
| 05:37.35 | Chaos | peterS: http://pastebin.ca/435870 |
| 05:37.36 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah... usually when i catch an IP i just #iptables -I INPUT 1 --src ${ip} -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited |
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| 05:38.22 | Chaos | or you could just drop instead of reject and not waste your time |
| 05:38.29 | SerajewelKS | peterS: now i just need a good password |
| 05:38.32 | peterS | Chaos: that looks like an unreliable Internet connection - either for you personally, or somewhere between you and netcologne.de |
| 05:38.36 | SerajewelKS | peterS: like "password" or "Administrator" |
| 05:38.46 | peterS | SerajewelKS: of course. otherwise it's wasted effort |
| 05:38.55 | Chaos | peterS: I'm on a 1Mb DSL line |
| 05:39.17 | Chaos | I've been using Debian since I ran on a 56k |
| 05:39.24 | Chaos | I never had this problem with a 56k |
| 05:40.24 | kpearce | I lost power and when I booted up again my usb mouse is no longer working. I've got the appropriate modules (input, hid, and mousedev) inserted, and the device is there and everything, but the mouse pointer doesn't respond, and nothing shows up on lsusb (there is no /proc/bus/usb/devices directory). Any ideas? |
| 05:41.17 | peterS | kpearce: I suggest the 'uhci-hcd' or 'ohci-hcd' module, depending on your USB motherboard chip. (lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' will tell you which one to use) |
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| 05:41.40 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ok problem, vsftpd refuses the login if the user's shell is /bin/false |
| 05:41.47 | kpearce | peterS: I'm using ehci-hcd right now |
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| 05:41.56 | Chaos | peterS: so what do you say with the us server not working for me either? |
| 05:41.58 | SerajewelKS | peterS: how can i restrict the user's login to ftp, and not give them shell access? |
| 05:41.58 | peterS | kpearce: yeah but that's only for USB 2.0 devices, and mice are USB 1.1 |
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| 05:42.21 | peterS | kpearce: so you actually need 2 USB host drivers, one to handle usb1.1 devices and the other (ehci-hcd) to handle usb2.0 devices |
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| 05:42.33 | kpearce | ok |
| 05:42.36 | deriaN- | http://www.pastebin.ca/435873 --- the mysqld.sock file is missing... How do I recreate one? |
| 05:42.51 | kpearce | I don't have a module named uhci-hcd |
| 05:43.14 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if it's actually pam_shells that is rejecting the login, you can edit /etc/pam.d/vsftpd to not use that module |
| 05:43.17 | SerajewelKS | peterS: hmm, the box that was attacking me is running an httpd, sshd, smbd, gnutella, and bittorrent |
| 05:43.23 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah ok |
| 05:43.26 | kpearce | but the command you gave me prints [UHCI]) four times followed by [EHCI]) once |
| 05:43.48 | peterS | kpearce: so uh, are you on kernel 2.4.27 or so? the module was named 'usb-uhci' back then. |
| 05:43.54 | kpearce | ok |
| 05:43.58 | SerajewelKS | peterS: fun, the website is the "Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport" |
| 05:44.03 | SerajewelKS | peterS: time to sue |
| 05:44.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yay |
| 05:44.10 | kpearce | yeah, that looks like it may have worked... |
| 05:44.18 | SerajewelKS | peterS: no what they are doing running smbd and bittorrent is another matter |
| 05:44.23 | SerajewelKS | peterS: now* |
| 05:44.23 | kpearce | yeah, it did. Thanks. |
| 05:44.28 | peterS | heh, cool |
| 05:44.59 | SerajewelKS | peterS: seeing as 135 is also open probably means they got themselves a worm |
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| 05:45.37 | Chaos | or maybe you're completely wrong |
| 05:45.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hello in the output of lspci I see my 5 in 1 internal memory reader, now how can I make it work? |
| 05:45.43 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah bittorrent is not open, my mistake |
| 05:45.45 | peterS | SerajewelKS: hmmm, sshd _and_ port 135? 135 is the msrpc portmapper thingy |
| 05:45.58 | Chaos | maybe a port that's typically used for one thing they're using for something else just to throw people off |
| 05:46.05 | peterS | endpoint mapper, that's what they call the portmapper in DCE RPC land |
| 05:46.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: nod, gnutella is closed too... i misread "filtered" as "open", silly me |
| 05:46.26 | SerajewelKS | peterS: but nmap says this is Linux 2.6.X, so what 135 is doing open anyway is beyond me |
| 05:46.46 | Chaos | nmap says a lot of things but it's only right half the time |
| 05:46.46 | peterS | yeah that's a good question - did anyone ever implement DCE RPC properly in Linux? |
| 05:46.47 | Chaos | if that |
| 05:46.48 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, it's filtered too. i should learn to read first. |
| 05:47.14 | SerajewelKS | peterS: 22, 80, 111, 788, 1720, 8009 |
| 05:47.24 | peterS | (i.e., with an endpoint mapper, and with other transports besides running over SMB) |
| 05:47.24 | Chaos | if I run the os detection with nmap and scan friends computers that are using windows it tells me they're using linux |
| 05:47.25 | cam | I'm upgrading postfix to version 2.4.0-2 ; my kernel is 2.4.32 ; I'm aware of the epoll-create issue. I would like to know if there's a new compiled pkg of postfix ? Or is there a way to go back to the old postfix version ? |
| 05:47.32 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: i bet it's right here though, because i was just reading it wrong |
| 05:47.52 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: rarely anyone runs ssh on windows |
| 05:47.53 | Chaos | SerajewelKS: I bet it's not |
| 05:48.05 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: look at the port list ^^^ |
| 05:48.10 | Chaos | SerajewelKS: that port is almost always open or filtered |
| 05:48.18 | Chaos | yeah it says that when you scan any windows box |
| 05:48.30 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: yeah, and how many people you know run ssh on a doze box |
| 05:48.31 | Chaos | scan another box you know is running windows |
| 05:48.44 | peterS | Chaos: you're sure it normally says ports 22 (ssh) and 111 (ONC RPC portmapper)? |
| 05:48.48 | Chaos | just because it's on the port ssh defaults to doesn't mean it's ssh |
| 05:48.54 | Chaos | yes |
| 05:49.33 | Chaos | I was the only linux user in my network when I was in Iraq and when I scanned people's computers in the network to see what it said it always said they were using windows and that those ports were open |
| 05:49.38 | Chaos | I don't think nmap is reliable |
| 05:49.46 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: ssh can connect to it and gets a fingerprint |
| 05:50.03 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: and nmapping the 'doze box to my left gives: OS details: IBM AIX 4.3.2.0-4.3.3.0 on an IBM RS/*, Microsoft Windows 2003 Server or XP SP2, Microsoft Windows XP |
| 05:50.20 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if it's debian, 'telnet foo 22' will give you a banner string that includes the word Debian |
| 05:50.20 | Chaos | hmmm |
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| 05:50.22 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: and the trailing SP2 didn't get copied |
| 05:50.28 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: it's XP SP2 |
| 05:50.47 | Chaos | peterS: I drop all packets to port 21-23 anyhow |
| 05:50.48 | SerajewelKS | peterS: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.9p1 |
| 05:51.25 | SerajewelKS | peterS: back on vsftpd, what pam module should i use? |
| 05:51.31 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yeah so that's not debian (for one thing, sarge shipped 3.8.1p1 and etch shipped 4.3p2). therefore it's ... wait for it ... off-topic! |
| 05:51.39 | SerajewelKS | peterS: oh noes! |
| 05:51.47 | Chaos | peterS: could be sid :P |
| 05:51.53 | Chaos | real men use sid |
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| 05:51.56 | Chaos | like me |
| 05:52.14 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I thought I told you about pam_shells already. it reads /etc/shells and only lets you log in if your shell is in there |
| 05:52.20 | SerajewelKS | Chaos: by syllogism, real men get their systems fucked every month :) |
| 05:52.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yes, it's using pam_shells. i don't want it to. |
| 05:52.34 | awesomess3 | Hey everyone! When I install via `apt-get install something`, how can I set it, with DPKG, to ask me as many questions as possible concerning the package installation? |
| 05:52.35 | Chaos | this is the first time I've ever had a problem with sid |
| 05:52.41 | peterS | SerajewelKS: so, uh ... remove that line from /etc/pam.d/vsftpd then? |
| 05:52.45 | SerajewelKS | peterS: so i want to know what will just check /etc/passwd for the password |
| 05:52.54 | Chaos | plus there's crap support for amd64 and ati |
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| 05:53.06 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, i'm not super-familiar with how pam works, just the fly-by |
| 05:53.09 | zu22 | yo |
| 05:53.12 | Chaos | I won't get support for either with sarge |
| 05:53.14 | Chaos | I have to use sid |
| 05:53.18 | SerajewelKS | peterS: when it comes to editing pam configs, assume i'm a tool |
| 05:53.23 | peterS | SerajewelKS: note the @include common-auth line. read the common-auth file to see what else is enabled |
| 05:53.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ok |
| 05:53.34 | awesomess3 | Chaos: there is still crappy support for ATI these days? sheesh |
| 05:53.39 | zu22 | looking at my video card with 'lspci -v' does the following mean my card has 64MB of video memory available? |
| 05:53.44 | zu22 | Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] |
| 05:53.48 | Chaos | awesomess3: I have no support for opengl |
| 05:54.18 | SerajewelKS | peterS: getting there then, i have the login working |
| 05:54.34 | peterS | SerajewelKS: pam has 4 modes: auth, account, session, password. auth is for authenticating. account is for determining whether your account is allowed to log in (as opposed to whether you have the right password or whatever). session sets up your login session, like setting env variables and such. password lets you change your password |
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| 05:54.38 | zu22 | . |
| 05:54.39 | awesomess3 | Chaos: Well with nvidia you just install the kernel drivers and you're good to go. With ATI you can't just install the ATI drivers? or is your card new? |
| 05:54.49 | zu22 | oh well |
| 05:54.53 | peterS | SerajewelKS: each mode can call multiple modules, specified in the pam.d file or /etc/pam.conf itself |
| 05:54.57 | Chaos | it's not new |
| 05:55.11 | Chaos | ati radeon xpress 200m |
| 05:55.15 | peterS | SerajewelKS: technically I suppose pam_shells should be an 'account' module rather than an 'auth' module, but whatever |
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| 05:55.41 | Sakunix | Hi all, The dialogues you get as you install Debian 3.1r4 Netinstall, which specify which software you are going to install (web server, print server, file server.. etc.) is there a way to get back into that post-install? |
| 05:55.45 | Chaos | you can get the drivers for it from ati and it's worse off than before |
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| 05:55.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: see /lib/security for a list of pam modules. they aren't all that well documented but you can at least see a list of what's available. |
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| 05:56.12 | Chaos | peterS: what do you suggest I do? |
| 05:56.23 | zu22 | peterS: do you know? |
| 05:56.48 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the default /etc/pam.d/common-auth calls pam_unix, which reads /etc/passwd - or whatever is defined in the "passwd" line of /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 05:57.11 | peterS | zu22: I don't think you can determine video memory that way |
| 05:57.13 | simonrvn | Sakunix: tasksel, and debian etch was released this week |
| 05:57.45 | zu22 | peterS: well i am installk xserver-xorg for first time and it did not autodetect it so it wants me to tell it how much in Kb i have, what should i do? |
| 05:57.58 | zu22 | peterS: this is a laotop and the video is on the mobo integrated |
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| 05:58.15 | simonrvn | often i run strings on a binary piped through less to see its docs ;) |
| 05:58.26 | zu22 | simonrvn: lol |
| 05:58.36 | zu22 | peterS: can i just leave it blank since i don't know? |
| 05:58.41 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i suppose i should run unix2dos on this file :) |
| 05:58.43 | zu22 | running testing |
| 05:59.09 | peterS | zu22: that question almost never matters. only a few old drivers are unable to autodetect this at runtime |
| 05:59.16 | peterS | zu22: so yes, leave it blank |
| 05:59.22 | zu22 | peterS: ok great thx |
| 05:59.45 | SerajewelKS | peterS: if you want, you can try it out :) |
| 05:59.53 | zu22 | peterS: etch was finally released so i'm doing a dist-upgrade :) |
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| 06:00.16 | SerajewelKS | peterS: promise i won't report your IP |
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| 06:01.11 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you have a usercloak though, so I don't have an IP to try to hax0r |
| 06:01.21 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yup. pm? |
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| 06:01.28 | peterS | SerajewelKS: shrug - fine |
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| 06:02.05 | zu22 | lol |
| 06:02.49 | SerajewelKS | peterS: :) |
| 06:02.50 | zu22 | he wants you to try to break into his machine? that may be illegal according to his school/company/govt/ISP's TOS agreement :) |
| 06:03.03 | zu22 | even if he gives his consent you are using their network |
| 06:03.06 | SerajewelKS | zu22: no, he had the login info already |
| 06:03.14 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: ah |
| 06:03.21 | Sakunix | simonrvn: What about my current 3.1r4 configuration, how easy is it to migrate those to 4.0? |
| 06:03.24 | SerajewelKS | zu22: gave it to him in this channel actually |
| 06:03.25 | peterS | zu22: well, we already discussed using the login "Administrator" and password "password" - he purposely set it up to work, since people at random IPs were trying it anyway |
| 06:03.34 | zu22 | peterS: heh |
| 06:03.44 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i should have it log the passwords they are using |
| 06:03.48 | SerajewelKS | peterS: dunno if they are using this one |
| 06:04.02 | peterS | SerajewelKS: indeed - I'm not sure how easy it is to get it to log that though |
| 06:04.17 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: better yet, it should echo the password back with "Thank you for providing the user/pass combo for our records." |
| 06:04.37 | SerajewelKS | peterS: if not a config option, 'apt-get source vsftpd', patch, dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot |
| 06:04.53 | SerajewelKS | peterS: free software is awesome that way :) |
| 06:04.53 | peterS | there's always that |
| 06:05.10 | peterS | though if you install 'devscripts' you can run debuild -us -uc and save the -rfakeroot (it uses that by default) |
| 06:05.28 | SerajewelKS | peterS: shrug, it'd be harder to rewire the brain |
| 06:05.31 | peterS | (also, debuild automatically runs lintian and linda if they're installed) |
| 06:05.36 | zu22 | cafuego: or enter them into a UML jail where they are fed false output to whatever commands they try :) |
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| 06:06.09 | SerajewelKS | zu22: or where everything they type responds with "Your mom!" |
| 06:06.10 | cafuego | zu22: the eviler the better. See also 'iptables -j MIRROR' |
| 06:06.18 | zu22 | cafuego: hehe |
| 06:06.33 | nvz | zu22: I have a great shell its an old dos program called earlphi its an AI (artificial insanity) |
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| 06:06.42 | zu22 | SerajewelKS: Or "so's yer mom" for us netrek players :) |
| 06:06.52 | alfsboner | people who say 'obligatory' should get cancer. |
| 06:06.57 | zu22 | nvz: sounds neat |
| 06:07.15 | nvz | zu22: its brain numbing |
| 06:07.18 | ivx | hey is there a way to restore my /etc/network/interfaces I messed it up |
| 06:07.26 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, fuck... |
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| 06:07.29 | zu22 | nvz: will it pass the Turing Test? ;) |
| 06:07.37 | ivx | with just a command or something, or do i have to find one and copy and paste |
| 06:07.37 | cafuego | ivx: Did you back it up before editing? |
| 06:07.48 | SerajewelKS | peterS: okay so "cd .." seems to work... |
| 06:07.52 | peterS | SerajewelKS: what - you discovered that it gives ftp users read-only access to your whole filesystem? |
| 06:07.54 | ivx | cafuego, no i thought for sure it would for |
| 06:07.57 | SerajewelKS | peterS: so vsftpd is stopped for now |
| 06:07.59 | nvz | zu22: na its got multiple personalities, and is artificially insane |
| 06:08.00 | peterS | SerajewelKS: not sure if vsftpd lets you prevent that |
| 06:08.12 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i could always turn on chroot |
| 06:08.14 | NefariousPrior | Umm, why doesn't 'mc' have an option to unzip? gzip, bzip2, tar, but no zip. grrrrr |
| 06:08.30 | nvz | zu22: it "learns" but like someone who just smoked a 3 foot bong of crack |
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| 06:08.44 | cafuego | nvz: An actual human, then |
| 06:08.49 | zu22 | nvz: lol i've seen similiar programs, good times |
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| 06:09.15 | nvz | cafuego: yeah basically |
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| 06:09.37 | zu22 | ivx: there are recover progams for ext2 filesystem but i never had much success with them, best option is to ALWAYS backup if you think u may need it later |
| 06:10.29 | robin_sz | so, no clues as to what wen twrong with Apache2 and mod-perl in the Sarge to Etch update then???? |
| 06:10.35 | SerajewelKS | peterS: there we go |
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| 06:10.36 | robin_sz | it seems Apache2.pm is in /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/Apache2.pm .. which isnt part of @INC |
| 06:10.40 | ivx | zu22, that is the only thing messed up, I'll just find one and copy paste, and i though etch was ext3 |
| 06:11.17 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah now i remember why i disabled that |
| 06:11.37 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i have a symlink in my ~ that goes outside of my ~ ... time to hardlink i guess |
| 06:11.38 | alfsboner | people who say 'obligatory' should get cancer. |
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| 06:11.57 | peterS | SerajewelKS: assuming it isn't to a directory, yeah |
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| 06:12.02 | militant | well i broke something |
| 06:12.15 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah, it is.... *sob* |
| 06:12.33 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i think i can set the chroot conditionally though |
| 06:12.34 | peterS | robin_sz: you upgraded libapache2-mod-perl2 and everything? I dunno.. |
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| 06:13.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: this is a lot of work to grow an epenis |
| 06:13.16 | peterS | robin_sz: there was one known upgrade bug with that package, but I nailed it a week or two ago and the fix got into etch |
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| 06:13.21 | robin_sz | peterS, yes, I did ... did a dist upgrade and tried again with apt-get etc |
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| 06:13.58 | peterS | robin_sz: (well, uh, I _found_ and analyzed the bug, steve langasek was the one who actually fixed it) |
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| 06:15.25 | SerajewelKS | peterS: there we go, all secure, in a manner of speaking |
| 06:15.49 | robin_sz | peterS, well, there it sits not doing its thang ... should I file a bug? |
| 06:16.36 | peterS | robin_sz: if it's not already filed (check bugs.debian.org/src:libapache2-mod-perl2), sure |
| 06:16.39 | alfsboner | people who say 'obligatory' should get cancer. |
| 06:16.52 | peterS | alfsboner: you said that already. do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 06:16.56 | SerajewelKS | alfsboner: go away |
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| 06:17.07 | alfsboner | peterS: go fuck yourself |
| 06:17.11 | SerajewelKS | peterS: been saying it every 5 minutes since /join (see /lastlog) |
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| 06:17.21 | SerajewelKS | peterS: drop the bomb |
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| 06:18.21 | SerajewelKS | peterS: he's in #wikipedia too, doing the same stuff |
| 06:18.46 | peterS | SerajewelKS: nice to see the teenage generation showing how intelligent they are |
| 06:19.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: maybe he'll haxxor my server |
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| 06:19.29 | Hoxzer_ | is there kernel 2.6.19 for etch? |
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| 06:19.44 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer_: not in the official repos |
| 06:19.48 | peterS | Hoxzer_: not that I know of. etch ships with 2.6.18. there is a 2.6.20 in unstable. |
| 06:20.00 | Hoxzer_ | ok |
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| 06:21.00 | Hoxzer_ | Do you guys believe I should get debian source of 2.6.18 or 2.6.20 source from www.kernel.org if I wanna compile custom kernel? |
| 06:21.33 | SerajewelKS | dammit, i can't find my q-tips |
| 06:21.57 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer_: do you need a custom kernel? |
| 06:22.32 | SerajewelKS | there they are.. what were they doing by my cd book... |
| 06:22.38 | Hoxzer_ | SerajewelKS: Yeah, for suspend2 ;) |
| 06:23.03 | robin_sz | peterS, can't see a similar looking bug ... |
| 06:23.11 | peterS | robin_sz: go for it then |
| 06:24.09 | Hoxzer_ | Well I think I will get 2.6.18 :) |
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| 06:29.46 | Hoxzer_ | s' |
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| 06:31.58 | robin_sz | right, mischief managed |
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| 06:34.17 | Vasistha | so, if my /etc/fstab has a wrong value for / the system still boots, but 'mount' and /etc/mtab have that wrong value listed! How can I find out what partition is *actually* mounted, and dynamically correct /etc/fstab ? |
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| 06:41.38 | niru | I have a set of packages in a folder |
| 06:42.15 | niru | or If I have Packages list with name,version,arct. etc how casn i grep for package name and version only |
| 06:42.18 | \amethyst | Vasistha: /proc/mounts |
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| 06:42.49 | niru | \amethyst, any idea |
| 06:43.18 | Vasistha | \amethyst: ah, well look at that... I tried it before, but it didn't actually show it -- that's because I wasn't actually running debian :D so all I need to do is get debian installed, and everything will be good. I already knew that, sort of... |
| 06:43.54 | Vasistha | niru: you have some .deb's in a folder, and you want to list a subset of them? |
| 06:44.10 | niru | Vasistha, yes |
| 06:44.31 | niru | ls will do |
| 06:44.31 | Vasistha | niru: and you want to see name and version, but not _i386.deb ? |
| 06:44.42 | niru | Vasistha, yup |
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| 06:45.14 | \amethyst | niru: how do you want to select the subset? |
| 06:45.33 | niru | \amethyst, not subset exactly it may be all |
| 06:45.34 | Vasistha | niru: rather than ls, do this: for i in *.deb; do echo ${i%_*}; done |
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| 06:46.37 | Vasistha | niru: /j #bash |
| 06:46.57 | Vasistha | oops, I didn't mean to say 'niru' there, but you can join |
| 06:47.19 | Vasistha | if you like. (my 'enter' finger seems to be over-eager today) |
| 06:47.42 | The_Ball | where did it enter i wonder? |
| 06:49.56 | Vasistha | niru: anyway, I was going to say -- before I got all confused mistyping -- that if you want to know more about how that syntax works ${i%_*} then go here: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq74 or man bash and look for parameter expansion |
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| 06:56.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | Damn shutting down... DO NOT SHUT DOWN! Suspend! |
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| 06:58.03 | grilled-cheese | SMITE! |
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| 07:00.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:00.48 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
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| 07:02.15 | Vasistha | hehheh .. thanks liable .. so quiet tonight |
| 07:02.16 | GhostlyDeath_ | Damn you gnome-power-manager |
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| 07:05.25 | hark | it does a shutdown instead of suspend? |
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| 07:15.30 | ivx | can someone send me their /etc/network/interfaces please |
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| 07:16.27 | nvz | ivx: auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback \n auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:16.30 | wols | ivx: since I doubt yoz'd have the same network setup like me, I doubt it would help you any more than man interfaces |
| 07:16.50 | nvz | ivx: man 5 interfaces, will show you in detail all options |
| 07:16.52 | wils0n___ | ivx: whats your issue? |
| 07:17.19 | ivx | wils0n___ i tried to set it up to pull multiple statics, and goofed it up, |
| 07:17.39 | wols | ivx: paste it in a paster |
| 07:18.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:18.29 | dpkg | methinks qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 07:18.38 | tarzeau | ivx: mine is at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 07:19.48 | ivx | vols, I already deleted the old on, i am going to try to get it working again then back it up, then try multiple statics |
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| 07:20.11 | ivx | tarzeau, thanks i got the one i needed |
| 07:21.55 | tarzeau | why is packages.debian.org/PACKAGE so slow? |
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| 07:23.04 | ivx | yeah it took me like 3 hours to install from netist |
| 07:23.37 | ivx | bandwidth ain't free |
| 07:23.39 | wireddd | probably because tons of people are doing a net install rught now |
| 07:24.17 | ivx | more hosting companies that use debian should donate bandwidth |
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| 07:24.49 | tarzeau | ivx: i don't think installations use packages.d.o |
| 07:24.50 | wireddd | some kind of bittorent/apt-get combo would be interesting |
| 07:24.50 | mo1991 | anyone help me with azureus debian etch amd64 |
| 07:24.56 | tarzeau | ivx: there's plenty enough mirrors |
| 07:25.14 | mo1991 | /usr/bin/azureus: line 10: exec: java: not found |
| 07:25.21 | mo1991 | get this error while running azureus |
| 07:25.31 | tarzeau | mo1991: you need to install java |
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| 07:25.39 | tarzeau | mo1991: try with java-package (non-free i think) |
| 07:25.42 | mo1991 | seems to be java error but have sun-java-jre1.5 |
| 07:25.42 | ivx | tarzeau, yeah i guess you just have to get lucky when you pick one, is there a way to switch during the install if you get stuck with a slow one? |
| 07:26.00 | mo1991 | tarzeau - it is installed seems to have some paths broken though on amd64 etch |
| 07:26.05 | tarzeau | ivx: sure, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:26.11 | mo1991 | java -version says command not fount |
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| 07:26.22 | tarzeau | mo1991: which java and what version did you install? |
| 07:26.28 | ivx | tarzeau no i mean when you are doing the inital install |
| 07:26.49 | hark | mo1991: try with update-alternatives |
| 07:26.57 | mo1991 | the one from the etch repository |
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| 07:27.08 | hark | update-alternatives --config java |
| 07:27.10 | mo1991 | sun-java5-fre |
| 07:27.29 | mo1991 | hark - it is set in update alternatives |
| 07:27.37 | mo1991 | I have twice noticed this on amd64 etch |
| 07:27.41 | mo1991 | works fine on etch 32 |
| 07:27.50 | mo1991 | think it is a bug in the java package or something |
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| 07:27.57 | mo1991 | or the azureus package |
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| 07:28.10 | hark | no, since java -version does not work |
| 07:28.13 | mo1991 | but even though update alternatives says it's there and selected |
| 07:28.20 | mo1991 | right java -version does not work |
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| 07:28.35 | mo1991 | hark - so you think it's a bug in the java package |
| 07:28.36 | mo1991 | ? |
| 07:28.49 | mo1991 | some symbolic link not added or something for the binary? |
| 07:29.10 | hark | what does readlink /usr/bin/java say? |
| 07:29.32 | mo1991 | /etc/alternatives/java |
| 07:29.41 | mo1991 | hark above |
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| 07:30.28 | giuseppe | hi guys, only one question, I want to change the start button on gnome, I go to apps -> panel -> object but there isn't a voice with objective = menu :( help?? thanks |
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| 07:30.49 | GutterPunk | Let's say I have a pretty basic server setup with a webserver configuration. Should I expect something to break when I upgrade it from sarge to etch? It is a production system |
| 07:31.13 | hark | mo1991: hmm, checked the bts? |
| 07:31.24 | mo1991 | huh not sure what bts is |
| 07:31.41 | hark | the bug tracking system ;) |
| 07:31.58 | crazy_penguin | Good morning to all! |
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| 07:32.16 | mo1991 | no, can you tell me how - I'm pretty much positive it's a bug cause I repeated the error on 2 fresh installs |
| 07:32.24 | giuseppe | help? |
| 07:32.25 | mo1991 | and worked fine in 32 bit |
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| 07:32.46 | hark | mo1991: /msg dpkg bts |
| 07:33.07 | hark | giuseppe: the icon or the menu itself? |
| 07:33.19 | giuseppe | hark, the icon |
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| 07:33.28 | giuseppe | hark, thanks a lot for attention ;) |
| 07:34.12 | giuseppe | hark, I open gconf-editor and browse in apps-panel-object but no object type = menu are there :( |
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| 07:35.05 | hark | yeah, then do it manually i suppose |
| 07:35.14 | giuseppe | hark, how? :O |
| 07:36.08 | giuseppe | hark, I want only change the panel button icon |
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| 07:36.20 | hark | look in /usr/share/pixmaps/ or something |
| 07:36.30 | giuseppe | hark, I tried but nothing... |
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| 07:38.09 | Vasistha | GutterPunk: the main thing to do is to read the release notes. I believe one of debian's goals is smooth upgrades, so you should be in pretty good shape. |
| 07:39.06 | GutterPunk | Vasistha, thanks! |
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| 07:39.19 | mo1991 | hark - the bug report says that the version in etch should now work - that does not seem to be the case though |
| 07:39.42 | Vasistha | GutterPunk: you're welcome! good luck, I hope it goes well for you. We'll be here... |
| 07:40.00 | GutterPunk | I hope so too ;) |
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| 07:41.30 | mo1991 | hark - any ideas |
| 07:41.31 | mo1991 | ? |
| 07:42.00 | hark | giuseppe: ok, maybe this /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/distributor-logo.svg |
| 07:42.37 | hark | or somewhere in there.. not running X now, so not sure ;) |
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| 07:44.04 | hark | mo1991: hmm, file a bug then or edit the symlink yourself? |
| 07:44.43 | hark | should be in /usr/lib/jvm/java-*/bin |
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| 07:45.33 | hark | but dunno about amd64 :\ |
| 07:45.42 | hark | check using dpkg -L |
| 07:46.17 | mo1991 | hark - can you help me edit the link |
| 07:46.23 | mo1991 | dpkg -L does what |
| 07:46.24 | dpkg | No packages found matching does what |
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| 07:47.14 | crazy_penguin | mo1991: list the contents of a package |
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| 07:47.39 | mo1991 | hark - the file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java |
| 07:48.43 | mo1991 | hark - at least thats where it looks like java is |
| 07:48.55 | mo1991 | not sure where the binary is or how to link it tho |
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| 07:49.30 | mo1991 | hark - I think I have found the problem /usr/bin/java is a broken link |
| 07:49.52 | hark | mo1991: moment.. |
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| 07:50.20 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.03 | jelly-home | xjkx: run javascript in a web browser? no. |
| 07:51.05 | Vasistha | xjkx: no |
| 07:51.10 | xjkx | oh |
| 07:51.16 | xjkx | so what do i have to install? |
| 07:51.20 | Vasistha | xjkx: nothing |
| 07:51.21 | xjkx | yes in browser |
| 07:51.27 | jelly-home | in should just wook |
| 07:51.31 | jelly-home | *it |
| 07:51.39 | xjkx | i unistalled a lot of things in debian in past now it says i cant run |
| 07:51.43 | Vasistha | xjkx: any web browser that supports javascript will come with it preinstalled |
| 07:51.56 | Vasistha | xjkx: what browser are you using? |
| 07:51.57 | Eulex | mmm, wook |
| 07:52.15 | xjkx | firefox, i know it comes with java but i probably unistalled by force |
| 07:52.17 | jelly-home | I have no idea about how I managed to make that typo :-) |
| 07:52.31 | Vasistha | xjkx: ahem, firefox comes with javascript, *not* java |
| 07:53.00 | xjkx | javascritp w/e, anyway, is there a package to install besides the one that comes with firefox? |
| 07:53.09 | Eulex | xjkx, no |
| 07:53.14 | diskus | javascript and java are different things |
| 07:53.15 | xjkx | o.o |
| 07:53.21 | Eulex | eh, or do you mean for java? |
| 07:53.29 | xjkx | javascript |
| 07:53.37 | Eulex | no, support for that is included. |
| 07:53.38 | xjkx | apt-get install javascript :/ that should work |
| 07:53.46 | Vasistha | xjkx: uh, no. |
| 07:53.53 | diskus | you can't get javascript for firefox seperately |
| 07:53.55 | Vasistha | xjkx: javascript is integrated into the browser, like html and css |
| 07:53.58 | diskus | it's inside firefox already |
| 07:54.09 | Eulex | there's no package named javascript; so, nope |
| 07:54.17 | diskus | check firefox options, maybe you disabled it accidently or something |
| 07:54.20 | xjkx | but i am depending to firefox, what if i change :/ i want to install a package to handle it anyway |
| 07:54.51 | Vasistha | xjkx: uhm, no. |
| 07:54.57 | Kinks_ | xjkx: javascript is integrated right in the browser binary with everything else |
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| 07:55.13 | Kinks_ | xjkx: it's not in any way portable to the browser |
| 07:55.14 | Vasistha | xjkx: like diskus said, you may have disabled it. |
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| 07:55.26 | cusco | xjkx: javascript has nothing to do with java |
| 07:55.38 | xjkx | then if you download a browser with no javascript support then you must mail them "please make it" lol |
| 07:55.39 | Vasistha | anyone here know how to enable/disable js in ff? I'm an opera user, and thus no help... |
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| 07:56.19 | jelly-home | xjkx: there's virtually no graphical browser with no js support |
| 07:56.22 | mo1991 | hark - u still there? |
| 07:56.23 | Vasistha | *can* you download a browser with no js support?? I don't even think that's possible, unless you're talking about a browser that *never* supports js |
| 07:56.30 | Eulex | xjkx, firefox preferences, content tab, "Enable Javascript" checkbox |
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| 07:56.47 | xjkx | jelly-home, i'd bet dillo doesnt have |
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| 07:56.53 | Vasistha | fengor: my name's David ;-) |
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| 07:57.05 | jelly-home | xjkx: meh |
| 07:57.16 | Kinks_ | xjkx: uh yeah, if you ever run into one, that would be just about your only option unless it's an open source browser or you feel like doing something silly like making a plugin that'll parse javascript for you (assuming the browser supports plugins) |
| 07:57.41 | xjkx | i had a different view of javascript o.o |
| 07:57.45 | fengor | hehe just wanted to know where you are from Vasistha, since i can only tell how to disable javascript on german firefox on windows right now. since i dont have a debian box at work right now :/ |
| 07:57.57 | Kinks_ | and eh, that's not the only thing that assumes, but I'm sure you get the point. |
| 07:58.28 | cusco | xjkx: check wikipedia page about javascript its not java related, its ECMA standart |
| 07:58.32 | Vasistha | fengor: haha :D |
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| 07:59.00 | xjkx | :o thanks |
| 07:59.32 | jelly-home | xjkx: what are you really trying to do (and failing)? |
| 08:00.02 | mo1991 | hark - ok, here's the deal java -version works if I do it from the proper java path |
| 08:00.04 | mo1991 | /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/bin |
| 08:00.07 | Kinks | possibly something with javascript that isn't valid or being seen as javascript by the browser to begin with. |
| 08:00.42 | mo1991 | hark - so it appears that the symbolic link /usr/bin/java should somehow be linked to that but is not |
| 08:01.07 | xjkx | jelly-home, i removed some softwares here by -f (force) and some pages seems strange, but i will fix it, it was cool to know somethings i was thinking wrong about such as this javascript thing |
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| 08:01.40 | Eulex | xjkx, start aptitude, fix your problems. |
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| 08:02.05 | xjkx | i am more familiarized with apt-get |
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| 08:02.29 | Eulex | aptitude is more appropriate for this job. it'll show you exactly what packages are broken. |
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| 08:02.36 | Vasistha | xjkx: considering how you've recently messed up your system with apt-get, I think it'd be advisable to start using aptitude *today* ;-) |
| 08:02.39 | Kinks | xjkx: and stop removing stuff you (apparently) don't know the use of without at least backing it up first. |
| 08:02.49 | hark | mo1991: sorry, am back now :) |
| 08:03.05 | xjkx | i was drunk :> |
| 08:03.17 | hark | xjkx: that was awesome ;) |
| 08:03.21 | mo1991 | hark - does my problem make sense |
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| 08:03.43 | mo1991 | /usr/bin/java is not linked to the file properly which is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/bin |
| 08:03.45 | jelly-home | xjkx: do no system administration under influence |
| 08:04.07 | mo1991 | hark - /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/bin/java -version works properly |
| 08:04.12 | Kinks | mo1991: so.. link it to the proper file if it needs to be |
| 08:04.12 | mo1991 | /usr/bin/java does nothing |
| 08:04.18 | hark | mo1991: update-alternatives --config java? what does it say? |
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| 08:04.46 | hark | mo1991: we'll try to set it up to the alternatives.. otherwise we'll just add it to the PATH |
| 08:04.52 | mo1991 | hark - update alternatives shows it correctly |
| 08:05.08 | mo1991 | it is the only choice right now |
| 08:05.13 | mo1991 | removed open office and the other choice |
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| 08:05.20 | mo1991 | so it's set up there fine |
| 08:05.48 | mo1991 | (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 08:05.53 | mo1991 | hark above output |
| 08:05.58 | mo1991 | that path does work |
| 08:05.58 | hark | mo1991: ok, and what does 'type java' say? |
| 08:06.09 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i fixed AddHandler thing, now my problem is, everytime i visit something locally that ends with .php, its says Permission Denied |
| 08:06.10 | BUMBACL0T | but everything is setup right though, permission and all that |
| 08:06.25 | mo1991 | bash: type: java: not found |
| 08:06.27 | mo1991 | hark above |
| 08:06.27 | Kinks | apparently it's not set up right or it would work. |
| 08:06.49 | mo1991 | Kinks - i believe the amd64 package has a broken sym link |
| 08:06.56 | Kinks | why do people say such silly things =( |
| 08:06.57 | mo1991 | or does not install the path right |
| 08:07.05 | NefariousPrior | Dunno why, but explorer.exe eats most of my CPU when I have a window showing a samba network share. |
| 08:07.16 | hark | you do have a /usr/bin/java ? |
| 08:07.23 | BUMBACL0T | any idea? |
| 08:07.24 | mo1991 | kinks - it works fine in 32 bit etch - 2 fresh 64 bit installs and no luck |
| 08:07.38 | hark | make sure /usr/bin/ is in your PATH.. check your /etc/profile |
| 08:07.52 | hark | mo1991: the symlink is OK |
| 08:08.05 | mo1991 | hark - there is no symlink in /usr/bin |
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| 08:08.28 | hark | mo1991: grr, readlink /usr/bin/java will tell you |
| 08:08.53 | mo1991 | hark - gives nothing |
| 08:08.57 | mo1991 | that's my point there is no link |
| 08:08.58 | NefariousPrior | I have a 32 bit procesor, will the 64 bit version of debian run on it if I only install halfway? |
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| 08:09.19 | jelly-home | NefariousPrior: ??? |
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| 08:09.25 | Eulex | looooool |
| 08:09.39 | Kinks | I sure hope that's a joke. |
| 08:09.41 | NefariousPrior | Indeed, that was a joke. hehe |
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| 08:10.05 | jelly-home | "Welcome to the middle of Debian installation." |
| 08:10.06 | hark | mo1991: what did you say earlier then? |
| 08:10.14 | hark | < hark> what does readlink /usr/bin/java say? |
| 08:10.16 | Kinks | "zomg abort" |
| 08:10.25 | mo1991 | hark - I have now created a link |
| 08:10.29 | hark | and you said /etc/alternatives/java ... |
| 08:10.46 | mo1991 | type java says java is /usr/bin/java |
| 08:11.07 | mo1991 | now that I have added a symbolic from /usr/bin/java to /usr/lib/jvm/etc... |
| 08:11.39 | hark | mo1991: ok.. and? |
| 08:11.41 | mo1991 | hmm java -version is now working |
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| 08:11.52 | hark | stop mesing around with stuff!! |
| 08:11.52 | NefariousPrior | , |
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| 08:12.55 | mo1991 | hark - azureus is working thanks |
| 08:13.14 | mo1991 | it was a broken link and that seems to have fixed it |
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| 08:13.25 | mo1991 | although I thought I already tried that guess not |
| 08:13.27 | mo1991 | hark - thx |
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| 08:14.32 | Kinks | I hope you plan to restart it daily. |
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| 08:14.40 | jelly-home | ... and opera. and xfce-desktop's memleak |
| 08:14.49 | Kinks | because money can't buy enough for azureus |
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| 08:14.56 | lamer007 | hey, how do you start iptables ? do you have any script created for that reason or just some symlink to rc.d ? |
| 08:15.04 | hark | or iceweasel :\ |
| 08:15.13 | jelly-home | Kinks: it keeps to itself decently, unlike Opera |
| 08:15.14 | Eulex | jelly-home, fixed in 4.4.1. |
| 08:15.25 | jelly-home | o rly |
| 08:15.33 | Eulex | jelly-home, to avoid it in earlier versions; don't use desktop icons. |
| 08:15.43 | jelly-home | Eulex: I don't! |
| 08:15.56 | hark | but but but.. that was the best feature in 4.4!! |
| 08:15.57 | jelly-home | Eulex: not that leak. This one is menu related. |
| 08:16.06 | NefariousPrior | To fix the current issue with said app, discontinue use of your monitor. |
| 08:16.12 | Kinks | I thought those went extinct. |
| 08:16.34 | Eulex | jelly-home, ah, true, the menu uses XfceRc too. so it's too affected. |
| 08:16.58 | hark | they finally got teh desktop icons!!! |
| 08:17.09 | jelly-home | Eulex: so, it might be fixed too? |
| 08:17.32 | Eulex | jelly-home, I think so at least. |
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| 08:18.17 | jelly-home | Eulex: right now I have a cron job that restarts xfce4-desktop after it grows to 400MB VSZ :-) |
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| 08:18.52 | NefariousPrior | I didn't even know people used xfce |
| 08:19.02 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 08:19.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:19.05 | Eulex | jelly-home, ouch |
| 08:19.08 | hark | that bug is 285 days old! |
| 08:19.12 | Kinks | I use fluxbox and none other. |
| 08:19.15 | jelly-home | uh, where's the old !anyone |
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| 08:19.34 | Vasistha | jelly-home: yeah, I miss it, too :P |
| 08:19.37 | hark | !dbugs 376177 |
| 08:19.39 | NefariousPrior | Kinks: same here |
| 08:19.40 | dpkg | #376177:I[xfdesktop4] xfdesktop4: memory leak?; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:18:01 UTC |
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| 08:19.52 | Eulex | http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2427 |
| 08:19.59 | jelly-home | NefariousPrior: noone uses it, even the people who use it don't |
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| 08:20.36 | hark | !anyone use xfce |
| 08:20.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses xfce, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:20.40 | NefariousPrior | jelly-home: That's what I thought. You had me worried. |
| 08:20.51 | jelly-home | hark: thanks |
| 08:21.59 | haggz | whats that about "old"? |
| 08:21.59 | haggz | !news |
| 08:21.59 | hark | !botabuse |
| 08:21.59 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 08:22.02 | haggz | ah well, guess it only works in direct conversation.../msg dpkg news gives me two items last updated 808 days ago |
| 08:22.05 | NefariousPrior | !xdm |
| 08:22.05 | dpkg | i heard xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 08:22.18 | hark | stop! |
| 08:22.35 | NefariousPrior | that was ligitimate |
| 08:22.52 | jelly-home | msg the bot |
| 08:23.09 | NefariousPrior | You can do that? |
| 08:23.15 | jelly-home | I can. |
| 08:23.27 | Kinks | yes, so can you. |
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| 08:23.47 | NefariousPrior | holy crap your right. |
| 08:23.55 | jelly-home | damn. --- You :Erroneous Nickname |
| 08:24.17 | DocPlatypus | teehee |
| 08:24.20 | NefariousPrior | ? |
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| 08:24.44 | Your | pity, registered. |
| 08:25.32 | Kinks | "last seen 2 years 22 weeks 6 days (3h 19m 2s) ago" |
| 08:25.59 | NefariousPrior | nice |
| 08:26.26 | hark | !lart All |
| 08:26.40 | hark | ;) |
| 08:26.49 | jelly-home | not at all! |
| 08:26.54 | NefariousPrior | that one was pretty good. |
| 08:27.02 | Vasistha | that's frickin' gross... hehehe |
| 08:27.07 | hark | all* most all |
| 08:27.10 | Eulex | * poo :Nickname is already in use. darn. |
| 08:27.15 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 08:27.15 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 08:27.59 | Kinks | how uhh err |
| 08:28.00 | Kinks | "kinky" |
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| 08:33.40 | hhaamu | is there a way to see which installed packages are from which repository? |
| 08:33.52 | streuner | yes |
| 08:34.02 | streuner | man apt-cache |
| 08:34.20 | |mottafukka| | anyone here know if kernel 6.2.20 is available from any apt repositories ? |
| 08:34.29 | NefariousPrior | I seriously doubt it |
| 08:34.55 | |mottafukka| | 2.6.20 sorry |
| 08:34.55 | streuner | |mottafukka|: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:34.56 | NefariousPrior | In that case I have no clue. |
| 08:34.56 | simonrvn | if you're asking, probably not |
| 08:35.03 | |mottafukka| | thx |
| 08:35.16 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: there are 6.2 gnu/kfreebsd kernels available |
| 08:35.26 | Vasistha | |mottafukka|: unstable is 2.6.20, so probably not. |
| 08:35.29 | tarzeau | hhaamu: apt-cache policy pkg |
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| 08:35.53 | |mottafukka| | i run sid, i can only get 2.6.18-4 |
| 08:35.54 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: For debian?... in a debian repository?.... as a .deb package? |
| 08:36.03 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: yes, see #gnu-kbsd |
| 08:36.19 | DocPlatypus | since someone mentioned it... has anyone ever ported Debian to the OpenBSD kernel? |
| 08:36.40 | simonrvn | erm, then update, 2.6.20 came in earlier... |
| 08:36.42 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: Why would someone want to do that? |
| 08:37.10 | simonrvn | |mottafukka|: ^^^ |
| 08:37.11 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 08:37.12 | DocPlatypus | NefariousPrior: many reasons, including hate of the kernel, Linux |
| 08:37.19 | skyll | f u |
| 08:37.43 | |mottafukka| | hmm, ill do that again. just checked, is it on the dk mirror yet ? |
| 08:37.43 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: http://io.debian.net/kfreebsd/debian/pool-kfreebsd-i386/main/k/kfreebsd-6/ |
| 08:37.59 | tarzeau | there are even 7.0 kernels :) |
| 08:38.01 | DocPlatypus | it's also proof of concept to show people you can run GNU variants on other kernels, so they'll quit incorrectly calling the whole thing "Linux" |
| 08:38.08 | hhaamu | tarzeau: that's not quite what I was after. I accidentally installed some packages from the unstable repository and would like to find the affected packages so I can downgrade them |
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| 08:38.22 | tarzeau | hhaamu: check /var/log/dpkg.log maybe? |
| 08:38.25 | DocPlatypus | which makes as much sense as calling a car a "DieHard" car after a trip to Sears for a new battery, as I say |
| 08:38.32 | |mottafukka| | sorry. its there must have mispelled the search |
| 08:38.36 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: HURD is a proof of concept too |
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| 08:38.54 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: Hurd is more than that. Hurd is *the* GNU kernel |
| 08:39.05 | hhaamu | thanks, just thought of that myself. |
| 08:39.16 | jelly-home | I hurd it sucked |
| 08:39.18 | Eulex | I hurd that |
| 08:39.31 | DocPlatypus | as in the kind of kernel Richard Stallman had in mind in the 1980s |
| 08:39.38 | streuner | tarzeau: are there any prolbems with Debian's kfreebsd now? |
| 08:39.45 | tarzeau | streuner: not that i know, why? |
| 08:39.53 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: it works like it's from the 80s too! :-) |
| 08:40.02 | hark | it's hurd to come up with good ones ;) |
| 08:40.27 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: well they ported drivers from version 2.0.x of the kernel, Linux |
| 08:40.30 | DocPlatypus | so ... yeah |
| 08:40.35 | NefariousPrior | Isn't there a gnu kernel somewhere? |
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| 08:40.41 | streuner | tarzeau: nm |
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| 08:40.56 | DocPlatypus | there's some reason they haven't ported e.g. OpenBSD drivers |
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| 08:41.03 | tarzeau | streuner: have you tried it once? it really works better than you'd think |
| 08:41.05 | DocPlatypus | even though the new BSD and ISC licenses are compatible with the GPL |
| 08:41.24 | Vasistha | NefariousPrior: gnu/Hurd ... last I heard it was pretty much abandoned, but I don't pay much attention so I may be wrong |
| 08:41.34 | DocPlatypus | Vasistha: it was not abandoneed |
| 08:41.37 | hark | !hurd |
| 08:41.37 | dpkg | hmm... hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
| 08:41.41 | DocPlatypus | abandoned* ... sorry, CTWS is kicking in |
| 08:41.42 | streuner | tarzeau: i don't have many problems with linux here... |
| 08:41.58 | Vasistha | DocPlatypus: good to know! |
| 08:42.10 | NefariousPrior | I have mostly adobe products installed on windows sooo should I call it Adobe/Windows ?? |
| 08:42.20 | Vasistha | haha |
| 08:42.27 | DocPlatypus | however... last I checked, Mach has too many bugs and will be abandoned in favor of L4 |
| 08:42.28 | NefariousPrior | How about AOL/Windows |
| 08:42.35 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: oh, and for incompatible licenses, there's also Nexenta (GNU/OpenSolaris) |
| 08:42.48 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: it's gnu/kfreebsd because it's the gnu c library and the freebsd kernel only |
| 08:42.51 | Eulex | I run xchat, firefox, gaim and cygwin, would mine be GNU/Windows? |
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| 08:42.59 | jelly-home | tarzeau: er, no? |
| 08:43.03 | Vasistha | NefariousPrior: well... your windows system would likely be slightly more functional without adobe, than linux would be without gnu utils... |
| 08:43.05 | DocPlatypus | NefariousPrior: Windows is an entire OS, including kernel... now back in the Windows 3.1 era it wasn't |
| 08:43.37 | jelly-home | tarzeau: it would be gnu/freebsd even if it used bsd libc |
| 08:43.37 | tarzeau | Eulex: xchat, firefox gaim and cygwin are no GNU software are they? |
| 08:43.37 | tarzeau | jelly-home: true |
| 08:43.45 | shogunx | DocPlatypus correction. windows is a poor attempt at an OS. |
| 08:43.51 | simonrvn | it's because of the gnu tools... |
| 08:43.52 | haggz | tarzeau: cygwin is basically a port of gnu software |
| 08:43.54 | Eulex | tarzeau, I think cygwin includes some GNU software at least |
| 08:43.56 | DocPlatypus | shogunx: okay, an excuse for an OS, if you prefer to call it that |
| 08:44.00 | tarzeau | haggz: but is it GNU? |
| 08:44.10 | jelly-home | Do gnus moo? |
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| 08:44.18 | DocPlatypus | but it fits the nominal definition of an OS, even if it doesn't work like GNU variant users expect an OS to actually work |
| 08:44.18 | tarzeau | Eulex: does gnu support and maintain it? |
| 08:44.27 | Eulex | doubt it. |
| 08:45.36 | NefariousPrior | Linux - with gnu tools. Gnu/Linux is just an absurd attempt by gnu to take credit for an OS, when it wasn't an OS that gnu provided. It was just tools for it. |
| 08:45.58 | hark | huh? |
| 08:46.03 | karsten | Is there anything like a "time on steroids" which gives io, cpu, user, system time, etc.? |
| 08:46.04 | cafuego | No, you have it wrong. |
| 08:46.06 | karsten | NefariousPrior: OT. |
| 08:46.13 | cafuego | Come back after you find out why. try google. |
| 08:46.17 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: and linux isn't an OS either |
| 08:46.21 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: it's really just a kernel |
| 08:46.37 | NefariousPrior | It's an OS in the truest sense. |
| 08:46.51 | tarzeau | karsten: top? iptraf? vmstat? |
| 08:46.54 | DocPlatypus | NefariousPrior: GNU *did* provide an OS. all Linus Torvalds did, was add his kernel to an already existing nearly complete OS |
| 08:46.59 | hark | it's also OT in the truest sense |
| 08:47.00 | cafuego | Yes NefariousPrior, your opinion counts for more than everyone else's. We'll all change our minds. |
| 08:47.01 | tarzeau | karsten: bubblefishymon is a great dockapp of it all |
| 08:47.07 | DocPlatypus | read the README for the kernel, Linux, version 0.01 |
| 08:47.11 | karsten | tarzeau: to run against a process. Eg: time <command> |
| 08:47.15 | cydork | NefariousPrior: You dont wanna start that here. :) |
| 08:47.16 | NefariousPrior | You say it's incomplete. Well, I can argue that Windows isn't an OS until I install firefox and some IM clients. |
| 08:47.17 | tarzeau | karsten: i see |
| 08:47.24 | DreadStar1 | hi |
| 08:47.28 | tarzeau | karsten: there are profilers? and *tracers ? |
| 08:47.33 | tarzeau | karsten: gdb? |
| 08:47.37 | cafuego | NefariousPrior: Could you argue that elsewhere? |
| 08:47.39 | karsten | Woah ... match() vs. ~ in gawk. ~ is massively faster. |
| 08:47.56 | karsten | tarzeau: gdb would be massive overkill. IO would be nice to get. |
| 08:48.05 | cafuego | karsten: match() spawns perl? ;-) |
| 08:48.23 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 08:48.33 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: windows has msn and ie? besides an os can run without application software |
| 08:48.38 | karsten | Feh. It's faster, but it's wrong ;-) |
| 08:48.53 | tarzeau | cafuego: 2.6? alsa? which software? esd? |
| 08:49.06 | cafuego | tarzeau: I can't say, sorry. |
| 08:49.07 | hhaamu | tarzeau: it's a bit too confusing reading dpkg.log (as it doesn't log where it downloaded the pacakges). I'll just let it be and downgrade packages if/when I notice one of them broken. |
| 08:49.10 | DocPlatypus | NefariousPrior: if you take the kernel, Linux, by itself, you have nothing useful |
| 08:49.12 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: I'm not arguing, but are you saying I can't boot linux without gnu? |
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| 08:49.20 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: yes |
| 08:49.32 | hhaamu | luckily my system didn't break too much |
| 08:49.34 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: Would you like a photo? |
| 08:49.34 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: you can't get a shell without gnu software -- well i haven't seen such one |
| 08:49.37 | DocPlatypus | in the case of Windows and most other operating systems, the kernel is part of an already complete OS (or excuse for one if you prefer) |
| 08:49.41 | karsten | Wait, no, it's not. |
| 08:49.51 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: i'd prefer a pony |
| 08:49.55 | cafuego | NefariousPrior: Would you like to know what the 'g' in gcc is for? |
| 08:50.12 | tarzeau | cafuego: you can build linux with tcc :) |
| 08:50.13 | karsten | tarzeau: none of: dash, nash, ash, are non-FSF / non-GNU? |
| 08:50.14 | cafuego | NefariousPrior: The one you used to compile that kernel to begin with? |
| 08:50.15 | NefariousPrior | cafuego: Don't tell me, it stand for "good", right? |
| 08:50.21 | cafuego | tarzeau: sshhh!!!! |
| 08:50.39 | tarzeau | karsten: and what about ls? |
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| 08:50.48 | cafuego | i wrote ls |
| 08:50.54 | NefariousPrior | lmao |
| 08:50.59 | tarzeau | cafuego: caGNUfego |
| 08:51.01 | hark | !rmssmite NefariousPrior |
| 08:51.03 | karsten | cafuego: I've got an awk script with a hot loop, trying to find a cheaper algorithm. Looks as if '~' is massively faster than match(). |
| 08:51.12 | karsten | tarzeau: busybox. |
| 08:51.17 | tarzeau | karsten: it sucks! |
| 08:51.19 | NefariousPrior | wow |
| 08:51.27 | tarzeau | karsten: built-in echo * is an ls replacement too, sucks also |
| 08:51.29 | cafuego | karsten: Makes you wonder what they do internall eh? |
| 08:51.32 | NefariousPrior | There's a Free Software Song ? |
| 08:51.40 | tarzeau | karsten: there's also non-gnu awk, sed etc. but they all suck |
| 08:51.42 | karsten | cafuego: Yeah, sorta. |
| 08:51.45 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: yep |
| 08:51.52 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: link me up |
| 08:52.03 | karsten | tarzeau: mawk can be faster for some stuff, I've tried it before. I've got a few gawkisms in here though. |
| 08:52.07 | tarzeau | karsten, NefariousPrior linux with another c library than the one from GNU? |
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| 08:52.22 | karsten | 12s vs. 41s user CPU time. |
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| 08:56.18 | Onur | Can i network package sniff a program on my debian? |
| 08:56.23 | v3nkat3sh | owing to build-dep of qemu, apt-get has installed both of gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.1. now if i attempt to install gcc-doc, I get error saying "Depends: gcc-4.1-doc (>=4.1.1-nf0) but it is not installable". any clues to fix it please? |
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| 08:56.36 | tarzeau | Onur: tcpdump? ngrep? driftnet? |
| 08:56.43 | pythonic | join us now and free the software |
| 08:56.57 | pythonic | you'll be free hackers, you'll be free-ee-ee |
| 08:57.15 | phex | ... @ pythonic |
| 08:57.29 | DocPlatypus | it's "join us now and *share* the software" not "...free the software" |
| 08:57.34 | Onur | ok thanks tarzeau i'll try |
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| 08:57.49 | pythonic | DocPlatypus: it's been a while. thankfully :-) |
| 08:58.05 | pythonic | mercifully :-) |
| 08:58.08 | phex | where's that quote from? |
| 08:58.13 | hark | there are different versions too iirc, a metal one too :o |
| 08:58.23 | pythonic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Song |
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| 08:58.46 | pythonic | http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html |
| 08:58.58 | phex | ahh, revolution os |
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| 08:59.09 | phex | now i remember |
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| 09:00.03 | pythonic | http://www.gnu.org/music/writing-fs-song.html :-/ |
| 09:00.14 | pythonic | "I had to look for what to write about and how." |
| 09:00.20 | pythonic | bull. |
| 09:01.18 | pythonic | that's about as disingenuous as christians deciding you really want to hear about jesus but pretending they're not pushing the conversation in that direction. |
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| 09:02.29 | tarzeau | !jesuslol |
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| 09:03.15 | tarzeau | pythonic: comes to mind: http://images.istheshit.net/dhqhvdul.jpg |
| 09:03.48 | pythonic | haha :-) |
| 09:03.54 | cydork | heh |
| 09:03.56 | pythonic | "fuck off" |
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| 09:05.31 | pythonic | the free software songs almost as funny as william shatner spoken voice songs :-) |
| 09:05.38 | pythonic | err.. spoken word, that is |
| 09:06.19 | pythonic | "will the real slim shady please stand up. please stand up. please stand up." |
| 09:06.19 | Eulex | ahh |
| 09:07.06 | Vasistha | I am Spartacus |
| 09:07.11 | Eulex | the free software song sung by rms is about the most horrible thing I've ever heard |
| 09:07.27 | NefariousPrior | lol |
| 09:07.33 | pythonic | Eulex: have you not heard lucy in the sky with diamonds by william shatner? |
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| 09:07.41 | haggz | Eulex: the gNewSense distro includes an .ogg of an rms performance of it on the live CD |
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| 09:07.48 | Eulex | pythonic, I don't think so |
| 09:07.51 | Eulex | haggz, haha |
| 09:07.52 | hark | Nimoy is better |
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| 09:08.26 | hark | NefariousPrior: then you get to add your version on the site |
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| 09:09.02 | NefariousPrior | William Shatner - Lucy in the sky with diamonds --> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7258896287489458266 |
| 09:09.16 | pythonic | omg! there's a video!?! |
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| 09:09.43 | MrWup | say if i wanted to set up an email system where employee's mails had to be OKed by the boss before they could be sent out.... would i need IMAP? |
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| 09:10.30 | NefariousPrior | pythonic: It's..... horrible. |
| 09:10.44 | Vasistha | wow, I feel sorry for that boss, having to read all those darn emails. What happens if the boss takes a sick day off? No email for anyone for a day? |
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| 09:11.04 | tarzeau | pythonic: reminds me of: http://linuks.mine.nu/eichhorn.jpg (need a translation?) |
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| 09:11.33 | MrWup | Vasistha, somone would stand in to check it. u cant run a law firm allowing employees to send out email or letters or any form of correspondence unless its been checked by a partner |
| 09:11.36 | mortal | eh |
| 09:11.45 | Spirit_ | Hi, i tried some program as normal user and it didn't work. it works as root though. is it possible to see what permission problems (probably just some files and folders to chmod) the normal user process ran into? |
| 09:11.49 | petemc | MrWup: yes you can |
| 09:11.50 | MrWup | Vasistha, in fact in the UK, the regulations recommend that partners check all outgoing correspondence from their firm |
| 09:12.03 | Vasistha | MrWup: and you don't trust your employees well enough to suppose that they will be responsible enough to do that? |
| 09:12.04 | petemc | MrWup: bollocks |
| 09:12.20 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: translation of pic? |
| 09:12.44 | Vasistha | Spirit_: ls -l yourprogram |
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| 09:12.59 | xand | 2007-04-12 10:11:33 < MrWup> Vasistha, somone would stand in to check it. u cant run a law firm allowing employees to send out email or letters or any form of correspondence unless its been checked by a partner |
| 09:13.00 | Vasistha | Spirit_: or, if you don't know the path to it, ls -l `which yourprogram` |
| 09:13.03 | xand | roffle |
| 09:13.08 | xand | what a load of piddle |
| 09:13.09 | pythonic | tarzeau: "a leaf. that is a leaf!" |
| 09:13.20 | pythonic | "a tree!" |
| 09:13.25 | MrWup | Vasistha, of course not, the law society recommends that all incoming post must be opened under the supervision of a partner and that all outgoing post is checked too |
| 09:13.28 | pythonic | "a nut! my god! a nut!" |
| 09:13.53 | xand | MrWup: paranoid delusions |
| 09:14.09 | Vasistha | oh well, I suppose we should all put aside our ... opinions ... and see if we can actually give this guy a useful recommendation |
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| 09:14.23 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: yes |
| 09:14.27 | xand | take their email access away |
| 09:14.30 | MrWup | Vasistha, obviously you're going to get a rather junior partner to check incoming post... i.e. for complaints etc, but all cases are supervised by a partner regardless of the fee earner who actually does the work. so the supervising partner must check the correspondence outgoing on a case |
| 09:14.44 | Spirit_ | Vasistha: ah, i should add more details. :) the program itself starts, but parts of it won't work (i am running it via wine). those parts do work as root. so i think there are just some permission problems of the files and folders the program tries to access |
| 09:14.48 | NefariousPrior | tarzeau: I don't get it. They are all shocked about normal things. |
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| 09:15.07 | Vasistha | Spirit_: sounds like a question for #wine ;-) |
| 09:15.13 | tarzeau | pythonic: funny eh? :) from www.nichtlustig.de my other favourite is this: http://linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg and this one is just cute http://linuks.mine.nu/060121.jpg |
| 09:15.24 | tarzeau | NefariousPrior: it's funny because it isn't funny |
| 09:15.29 | Spirit_ | Vasistha: ok, i just thought there might be some "supervisor" program or something. ;) |
| 09:15.32 | MrWup | xand, large sums of money are at stake, as well as hundreds of thousands of pounds of litigation if someone screws up. thats why it has to be done |
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| 09:15.57 | petemc | MrWup: i work in the legal industry, that is complete bunkum |
| 09:16.12 | MrWup | xand, imagine if a junior lawyer sends out an email basically agreeing to settle litigation for £5 on behalf of a client when in fact it was worth £1,000,000 we'd get sued |
| 09:16.13 | Vasistha | MrWup: I understand your concern ... it's just that ... I know quite a few lawyers myself -- in California of all places -- and I've never heard of such tactics |
| 09:16.24 | MrWup | petemc, and i've been a partner in a law firm for 35 years. its not. |
| 09:16.32 | petemc | sure.. |
| 09:16.41 | MrWup | petemc - www.fp-law.com |
| 09:16.56 | MrWup | Vasistha, it depends on which firm you go to |
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| 09:17.39 | Vasistha | MrWup: yeah, I'm sure! anyway, how to do this? hmm. |
| 09:17.43 | busfahrer | How do you mount a .bin/.cue CD image? |
| 09:17.44 | MrWup | but in this country, it is the recommended practice - although obviously many will cut corners, we want to cover ourselves against litigation completely |
| 09:17.56 | tarzeau | busfahrer: convert it to iso first? and loop back mount it? |
| 09:17.57 | MrWup | Vasistha, yeah... that's the snag :) |
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| 09:18.23 | Vasistha | MrWup: do you have any idea how your email currently works? |
| 09:18.30 | wols | busfahrer: convert with bin2iso |
| 09:18.41 | busfahrer | wols: what package is that in? Can't seem to find it |
| 09:18.47 | MrWup | Vasistha, we don't have any. so am investigating the possibilities of getting it |
| 09:19.02 | Vasistha | MrWup: you... don't... have... any email? |
| 09:19.12 | MrWup | lol i know- archaic eh |
| 09:19.18 | pythonic | "But they [Hoarders] cannot help their neighbors" isn't true. |
| 09:19.25 | xand | MrWup: the same applies to ANY business. |
| 09:19.29 | MrWup | this is the law you know. its still all done on parchment heh. |
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| 09:19.39 | elshaa | hi |
| 09:19.49 | alfadir | busfahrer: http://he.fi/bchunk/ |
| 09:20.13 | elshaa | what's the difference between "change" and "modify" in the stat command ? |
| 09:20.13 | alfadir | busfahrer: debian : bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr |
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| 09:20.47 | Vasistha | lawyers *still* use fax machines too much :P And California regulations require "service" to be done through the rather crappy u.s. postal service, as opposed to some cheaper, faster, *and* much more reliable courier services |
| 09:21.12 | busfahrer | alfadir: cheers |
| 09:21.21 | xand | MrWup: anyway, imap has nothing to do with sending email |
| 09:21.24 | Vasistha | MrWup: how big is the firm? Just to get an idea of what kind of configuration you'll be running |
| 09:21.26 | MrWup | Vasistha - that's our problem. people are starting to send us huge amounts of documentation by hashed together personal emails |
| 09:21.38 | MrWup | Vasistha, ~20 lawyers |
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| 09:22.38 | MrWup | and fax. i can't stand fax. we need to get our computer system set up to take faxes and just save them as pdfs |
| 09:22.39 | alfadir | busfahrer: hehe, np first hit at google "bin to iso linux" |
| 09:22.45 | MrWup | brb |
| 09:22.46 | tosh| | anyone know how to mount a .dmg file in linux? I've tried -t hfs and -t hfsplus with -o loop and I have both hfs and hfsplus in /proc/filesystems, but still I get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
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| 09:23.40 | NefariousPrior | tosh|: Is it compressed? |
| 09:24.34 | SlayerXP | tosh|: is google illegal where you live? |
| 09:24.48 | SlayerXP | the very first hit for "how to mount a .dmg file in linux?" gives you the right answer. |
| 09:24.57 | Vasistha | MrWup: well, lemme see. I'm presently struggling to understand this email stuff myself, so hopefully someone will correct me. Basically, there are two ways to store email -- mbox and maildir -- and two types of servers -- POP and IMAP. Every email server must also refer to email storage (either mbox or maildir) whereas only POP email clients need to interface with email storage; IMAP clients only interface with the IMAP server. |
| 09:25.23 | jef` | I'm getting an error with rar saying Glibc 2.4 not found, how should I go about fixing this? |
| 09:25.39 | SlayerXP | Vasistha: in order, your premises are: wrong. wrong. wrong. and obvious. |
| 09:25.50 | MrWup | heh |
| 09:25.53 | tosh| | SlayerXP and Im telling and asking that I did what it said and that I get an errormsg which is why I'm here :) |
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| 09:26.12 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: I'm so glad to hear that! maybe you can explain it better?? I've been dying to find this out, haven't found any good reading via google |
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| 09:26.27 | SlayerXP | Vasistha: what _exactly_ are you trying to do? |
| 09:26.35 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: help MrWup |
| 09:26.52 | MrWup | hold that though, i will be back in a sec! |
| 09:26.55 | MrWup | thought* |
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| 09:27.00 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: more specifically, trying to lay a foundation of understanding before making recommendations |
| 09:27.18 | MrWup | Vasistha thanks for trying so far though, brb |
| 09:27.28 | Fuwex | Hey. I'm more or less a complete nub, and I was wondering how to find out how I can find out what /dev/-folder my floppy disk is on? If that makes any sense |
| 09:27.44 | Vasistha | Fuwex: probably /dev/fd0 |
| 09:27.52 | Fuwex | I tried, but it didn't seem to work |
| 09:27.55 | Fuwex | it's a USB floppy disk |
| 09:28.01 | Vasistha | uhhh |
| 09:28.03 | Vasistha | oh |
| 09:28.11 | SlayerXP | Fuwex: dmesg will tell you |
| 09:28.12 | alfadir | Fuwex: dmesg should show the name |
| 09:28.18 | Fuwex | ok, cheers |
| 09:28.52 | jef` | how do I upgrade my glibc? |
| 09:29.11 | alfadir | jef`: why would you like to do that ? |
| 09:29.16 | wols | with apt-get |
| 09:29.28 | alfadir | jef`: if you are running sid the new glibc is on the way |
| 09:29.31 | wols | alfadir: cause his installation has a death wish |
| 09:29.39 | jef` | alfadir: because rar wants 2.4. and I have 2.3.6 |
| 09:29.39 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: your answer of "wrong" doesn't really clarify anything, though. Do you mean to say that there are *more* ways to store email, or that those two are not the "primary" ways, or that those two methods are not involved with storing email, or what? I have no clue what you mean by "wrong" |
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| 09:30.45 | jef` | alfadir: |
| 09:30.46 | haggz | vasistha: to understand email you should start with the basic SMTP protocol, then learn about mail agents like exim4 (the debian default) and then about end user stuff like POP, I think. |
| 09:30.46 | massctrl | yowz, Is there a way to get a nice list of services starting and their status when booting debian? It's such a blob of unstructured info now. |
| 09:30.47 | jef` | stalin:/home/jef# unrar e t60stuff.rar |
| 09:30.47 | jef` | unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
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| 09:32.19 | Braindead | jef`: where did you get that unrar binary? |
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| 09:32.52 | jef` | Braindead: the rarlabs website. |
| 09:33.02 | Braindead | jef`: bad boy. |
| 09:33.05 | jef` | :( |
| 09:33.33 | jef` | there's only this unrar-free in my sources and it doesnt work. for some reason. |
| 09:33.35 | Braindead | install unrar or unrar-nonfree. don't wander around the interweb to getpackages |
| 09:33.39 | wols | jef`: unrar is in non-free |
| 09:33.41 | wols | as a deb |
| 09:33.45 | alfadir | jef`: i think you should get the rar package from debian |
| 09:33.47 | jef` | ah. |
| 09:33.51 | Fuwex | Ok, so I did dmesg - and from what I could gather my USB floppy declined uhci_hcd address 2, but got registered on uhci_hcd address 4 (I assume it's the same device as it's the only USB device connected). Now, I'm not sure in how to proceed to figure out what /dev/-folder I should use :S |
| 09:33.52 | jef` | yeah I will. |
| 09:34.07 | Vasistha | haggz: I don't believe studying the smtp protocol in depth is going to give me an idea of the big picture here. I'd be missing the forest for the trees! I'd really prefer to read a slightly higher-level document overviewing the most essential things -- where is email stored, which tools can read/write that storage, and which tools can communicate with other tools. |
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| 09:34.45 | capiira | hmm hi does debian/rules create headers packages for the kernel too ? |
| 09:34.53 | haggz | vasistha: that was what I was trying to say, I didn't mean you needed to understand the details of the packet data fields. |
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| 09:35.09 | alfadir | Fuwex: try dmesg | grep /dev USB sticks normaly end up on /dev/sd something.. |
| 09:35.34 | alphanet | hello, is there another way to know what sources you need to build a package knowing its binary name; when packages.debian.org is very slow or broken? |
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| 09:35.36 | wols | Vasistha: you need a MTA, a mail storage(imap servre) and a mail client |
| 09:35.36 | Fuwex | ok, thanks alfadir |
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| 09:35.58 | alfadir | Fuwex: check also with df, it could be automounted.. |
| 09:36.16 | wols | those three are essential. other things things MDA, spamfilter,etc are optional |
| 09:36.31 | petemc | imap isnt essential |
| 09:36.50 | Fuwex | it doesn't seem like it is alfadir |
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| 09:37.02 | Vasistha | haggz: well... do you have any recommended reads? I've spent hours on google trying to figure out how these things connect together, but I just haven't found anything that helps me really understand the real issues. |
| 09:37.11 | xand | wikipedia? |
| 09:37.17 | alphanet | (ok, directly with apt-get source) |
| 09:37.30 | alfadir | Fuwex: hmm sorry never used an usb floppy.. hmm what does the dmesg say when you put in the usbcable ? |
| 09:38.06 | Fuwex | Should I unplug and plug-in, or is that event already logged in there - what do you mean? |
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| 09:38.35 | Fuwex | as I said I'm a complete nub :P |
| 09:38.36 | alfadir | Fuwex: unplugg the floppy, insert it again, then at the bottom of dmesg there will be some printout |
| 09:38.41 | Fuwex | ok, will do |
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| 09:38.58 | alfadir | Fuwex: for me with my mouse it sais : usb 3-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 09:39.07 | alfadir | Fuwex: input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input4 |
| 09:39.13 | Fuwex | ugh, got lotsa errors about unknown device |
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| 09:40.15 | alfadir | Fuwex: does lsusb give any hints ? maybe linux does know this hardware ? |
| 09:40.35 | Fuwex | will check |
| 09:40.44 | alfadir | Fuwex: lsusb recognize my mouse : Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c01d Logitech, Inc. |
| 09:40.47 | Fuwex | in dmesg it says "Attached sci removable disk sdb" though |
| 09:40.54 | alfadir | Fuwex: aha |
| 09:41.06 | alfadir | Fuwex: try to mount it under /dev/sdb |
| 09:41.09 | Fuwex | and then afte that there's just loads of errors |
| 09:41.15 | Fuwex | ok, I'll try |
| 09:41.18 | alfadir | Fuwex:example ? |
| 09:41.23 | Fuwex | well |
| 09:41.30 | Fuwex | "scsi: unknown device type 31" |
| 09:41.31 | alfadir | Fuwex: mount /dev/sdb /mnt |
| 09:41.34 | Fuwex | and just loads of those |
| 09:41.48 | Vasistha | wols: you distinguish MTA from imap server -- I had always assumed that any imap server would have communications built-in. It also seems as if many mail clients have communications built-in ... and while I can see how a standalone MTA can sometimes be useful for systems with many users, I just don't get how it would be useful for me if my mail client has the capability built-in |
| 09:42.10 | alfadir | Fuwex: need to go, good luck.. |
| 09:42.18 | Fuwex | ok, thanks for your help :) |
| 09:42.21 | Vasistha | Fuwex: maybe /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:42.27 | Fuwex | oh, it worked |
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| 09:44.18 | torrr | what place is appropriate to put shell scripts? |
| 09:44.26 | Vasistha | I guess what I really have not found is a document which explains how the different systems interact with each other. I've spent a number hours reading about protocols and what these different tools do, but the docs just don't give a good explanation of how things interact, with solid, understandable examples |
| 09:44.29 | jef` | I'm still getting the glibc error even with the unrar from testing nonfree |
| 09:44.31 | torrr | and perl scripts? |
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| 09:44.37 | Vasistha | torrr: well, there's /usr/local/bin |
| 09:44.51 | Vasistha | torrr: or if it's just for yourself, make a ~/bin |
| 09:45.01 | Vasistha | torrr: ...and put it in your path |
| 09:45.03 | pif | hi, using unstable my machine seems a lot slower graphically once I open and use iceweasel |
| 09:45.17 | torrr | ok |
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| 09:45.22 | torrr | 10x |
| 09:45.26 | pif | redraw becomes slow |
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| 09:45.58 | Vasistha | pif: are you swapping? how much memory do you have? |
| 09:46.11 | pif | no swapping, 1gig mem |
| 09:46.52 | pif | xorg is using 6 - 9 % of the cpu all the time |
| 09:47.18 | wols | Vasistha: except maybe with exchange or other windows software, a MTA and the mail storage are ALWAYS different |
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| 09:47.40 | pif | it seems firefox is a real ressource hog |
| 09:47.54 | wols | pif: no shit sherlock |
| 09:48.08 | pif | what's the alternative |
| 09:48.12 | Vasistha | wols: you're referring to the IMAP server side, right? |
| 09:48.32 | Fuwex | Make - command not found - is that something I can install from the Debian CD then? |
| 09:48.37 | Fuwex | make* |
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| 09:52.14 | wols | Vasistha: I'm just saying an imap server an a MTA are different things |
| 09:53.10 | Thms | can I plug a hard disk on my linux pc and analyse for windows virus on this pc ? |
| 09:53.14 | Thms | on this hdd |
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| 09:53.33 | wols | Thms: yes |
| 09:53.48 | wols | you might need a virus scanner for linux tho |
| 09:53.52 | Vasistha | Thms: dunno if you'll find linux software that detects windows viruses ... maybe clamav? |
| 09:53.58 | basantashrestha | I did apt-get dist-upgrade from so called etch stable but came across fam which is broken, now I am stuck, please help! |
| 09:53.59 | wols | and you might need to ntfs-3g to be able to write |
| 09:54.10 | Thms | wols okay |
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| 09:54.30 | torrr | I have a few MD5 for passwords from one program, can I use them as md5 passwords? |
| 09:54.37 | plutonas | how could i write a dvd from console? I have 4.7G dvd's and k3b allows me only to go till 4.4 |
| 09:55.13 | Fuwex | hmm, I'm a little stuck - I've got the drivers for my network card on a floppy, but I need to be able to run 'make' to install them, but make isn't installed it seems - can I install it from the debian CD? |
| 09:55.37 | haggz | vasistha: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.html is a pretty comprehensive document, not up to date but full of info. |
| 09:55.48 | hark | Fuwex: yes, use apt-cdrom to add the cd, then install build-essential |
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| 09:55.58 | Fuwex | ok, thanks hark :) |
| 09:56.02 | Vasistha | haggz: thanks very much! |
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| 09:56.47 | torrr | how do I generate md5 password like in passwd file to console? |
| 09:56.53 | wols | torrr: no. if you mean normal account passwords that is |
| 09:56.59 | wols | those use crypt() plus a salt |
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| 09:57.25 | torrr | wols, I have something else with lib-pwdfile |
| 09:57.46 | torrr | or is it hte other way around filepwd |
| 09:58.13 | Braindead | plutonas: growisofs can overburn. too bad you'll end up with coasters |
| 09:58.17 | basantashrestha | is there any option of bypass a broken package and go on with apt-get dist-upgrade configuration ? |
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| 09:58.43 | wols | basantashrestha: what is broken and how? |
| 09:58.46 | torrr | no its libpam-pwdfile |
| 09:59.07 | wols | torrr: I don't think those are MD5 |
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| 09:59.39 | basantashrestha | wols, I did apt-get dist-upgrade and there was error processing fam, so can't continue with dist-upgrade |
| 09:59.40 | wols | unless you did something different from normal debian in which case you#re expected to know what you did, it always uses /etc/passwd und /etc/shadow |
| 09:59.54 | torrr | wols, ok, do you know anyway a tool that makes md5 passwords? |
| 10:00.00 | wols | basantashrestha: paste the error in pastebin |
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| 10:00.11 | basantashrestha | wols, ok |
| 10:00.13 | torrr | I want to check it |
| 10:00.14 | wols | basantashrestha: and you are not supposed to use apt-get |
| 10:00.30 | wols | torrr: md5sum. those are NOT passwords. MD is a hash |
| 10:00.41 | wols | basantashrestha: use aptitude as the docs tell you to |
| 10:00.49 | wols | *MD5 |
| 10:01.12 | massctrl | Where can i put suggestions for improvement concerning debian ? |
| 10:01.16 | byon | md5sum comes with any unix systems isnt it? |
| 10:01.28 | wols | massctrl: bugs.debian.org. the wishlist for the package |
| 10:01.32 | stew | torrr: use 'mkpasswd -H md5 ' from the whois package |
| 10:01.56 | wols | stew: what will this do different compared to md5sum? |
| 10:02.16 | wols | use a salt? |
| 10:02.35 | stew | wols: yes |
| 10:02.46 | wols | nice |
| 10:03.01 | stew | wols: and add the $!$ to the front, ready to be dropped into /etc/shadow |
| 10:03.23 | torrr | I have md5's without salt |
| 10:04.02 | Fuwex | Is there a tg3 driver on the debian installation CD? If so, how can I install it after having installed my system? |
| 10:04.04 | torrr | I forgot what that salt do, is it md5(salt passwd)? |
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| 10:04.53 | wols | torrr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29 |
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| 10:05.49 | hark | Fuwex: modprobe tg3 |
| 10:05.56 | cafuego | torrr: md5 doesn't use a salt |
| 10:06.04 | Fuwex | ok, thanks again hark :) |
| 10:06.06 | massctrl | Fuwex: yes it appears to be there, "modprobe tg3" will load the driver |
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| 10:06.25 | wols | Fuwex: you also need to configure the new interface (man interfaces) |
| 10:06.35 | torrr | cafuego, I see that, but I wonder if I can still use my old md5 as if salted |
| 10:06.38 | wols | Fuwex: and if it all works, then add tg3 to /etc/modules |
| 10:06.46 | Fuwex | ok, thanks guys :) |
| 10:07.08 | cafuego | torrr: What, use the md5 hash and execute crypt() on it? No. |
| 10:07.22 | hark | heh, indeed |
| 10:07.50 | torrr | cafuego, no, find a salt that has no influence |
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| 10:08.15 | cafuego | torrr: Um, what? |
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| 10:09.24 | stew | onelastoops: ahh. i saw nycap.res.rr and thought maybe NYC (where I am) (its not snowing here) |
| 10:09.24 | torrr | yes I am correct : setHashedPassword($salt . md5($salt . $newPassword)) |
| 10:09.29 | stew | EWINDOW |
| 10:09.56 | torrr | maybe I can set the salt to nothing |
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| 10:10.39 | cpuobsessed | how can i tell apt to ignore MD5 checksums? |
| 10:10.46 | massctrl | wols: for which package should I submit my wich concerning the bootprocess ? |
| 10:10.50 | hark | remove debsums? |
| 10:11.17 | cpuobsessed | hark, apt remove debsums? |
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| 10:11.37 | hark | cpuobsessed: is it installed? what error do you get? |
| 10:11.41 | torrr | or tell libpam-pwdfile to use strait md5's |
| 10:12.14 | cpuobsessed | i've been trying to install eclipse from CDs and keep getting " |
| 10:12.24 | cpuobsessed | Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-5 20070407-11:55]/pool/main/e/eclipse/eclipse-source_3.2.1-4_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 10:13.21 | basantashrestha | wols, http://pastebin.ca/436067 |
| 10:16.08 | hark | cpuobsessed: hmm, that's not it then |
| 10:16.36 | cpuobsessed | i've tried --force-yes but it doesn't help |
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| 10:18.17 | Omena- | so i hear i should reboot for my new kernel... |
| 10:18.21 | Omena- | with Etch |
| 10:18.31 | Fuwex | If I only need SSH and web traffic to my server - can I safely block traffic on all ports apart from port 23 and 80? |
| 10:18.40 | imbrandon | yes |
| 10:18.58 | imbrandon | err 22 |
| 10:18.59 | Fuwex | ok, thanks |
| 10:19.00 | imbrandon | but yea |
| 10:19.02 | Esaj | I'm getting a freeze when trying to upgrade mysql, hmm |
| 10:19.03 | Fuwex | oops, yeah, 22 |
| 10:19.06 | petemc | Fuwex: if you dont run any services on ports other than 22 and 80, then whats to block? |
| 10:19.20 | Fuwex | petemc: I don't know :) |
| 10:19.24 | Omena- | lulz |
| 10:19.46 | hark | cpuobsessed: is the cd scratched or something? can you install any other package? |
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| 10:20.24 | cpuobsessed | i've installed well over 100 packages from my cd set |
| 10:20.33 | cpuobsessed | only a few of them gave me that same error |
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| 10:21.05 | Omena- | thats normal |
| 10:21.21 | Omena- | theres always some errors |
| 10:21.30 | petemc | wrong |
| 10:21.38 | basantashrestha | wols, is aptitude better over apt-get for dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:21.46 | Omena- | basantashrestha yes |
| 10:21.53 | Omena- | it solves depencies better |
| 10:21.58 | Braindead | it is better. period |
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| 10:22.11 | basantashrestha | Omena-, apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 10:22.33 | Braindead | basantashrestha: and also aptitude-doc-en ,it may come in handy |
| 10:22.34 | xand | apt-get is better than aptitude imo |
| 10:22.49 | Guerin | xand: then your opinion ain't worth much |
| 10:22.57 | xand | tard |
| 10:23.05 | Guerin | i agree entirely |
| 10:23.34 | Braindead | xand: please elaborate |
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| 10:23.58 | Guerin | Braindead: what s/he means is `i don't like learning new things because I fear change' |
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| 10:24.20 | xand | Braindead: it'll break things if you're not careful |
| 10:24.20 | Braindead | Guerin: also "at my times we only had dselect AND WE LIKED IT" |
| 10:24.26 | Esaj | anyone else had trouble with mysql-server-5.0? |
| 10:24.29 | xand | and Guerin, don't pretend to not know my gender |
| 10:24.41 | Guerin | xand: only if you use it TOGETHER with apt-get |
| 10:24.43 | Braindead | xand: it'll break things if you don't know what how to use it. blame the user,not the tool |
| 10:24.51 | Guerin | xand: if you choose one (as the doc says) then it's fine |
| 10:25.15 | xand | there's no point in it |
| 10:25.17 | xand | apt-get is fine |
| 10:25.19 | Braindead | and a brief sum-up of aptitude's most interesting features http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html |
| 10:25.43 | Guerin | xand: and 640k should be enough for anyone |
| 10:25.46 | Braindead | Guerin: see, you really got the point. |
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| 10:26.13 | xand | Guerin: erm, no |
| 10:26.49 | Guerin | xand: you lose |
| 10:26.55 | xand | lose what |
| 10:26.57 | xand | ? |
| 10:27.05 | xand | apt-get works just fine for me |
| 10:27.31 | Guerin | 640k does too |
| 10:27.36 | Braindead | xand: could you at least just refrain from making "80 years old grandpa" comments,then ? |
| 10:27.41 | Guerin | for the limited tasks you perform with it |
| 10:27.49 | xand | Braindead: I made no such comments |
| 10:28.05 | Kenman | can anyone recommend a good GUI for proftp? |
| 10:28.07 | Braindead | short term memory loss. ok, grandpa |
| 10:28.11 | stew | are you guys seriously getting this worked up over apt-get vs. aptitude ? |
| 10:28.14 | Kenman | doesn't have to be fancy at all |
| 10:28.24 | Guerin | stew: slow news day ;) |
| 10:28.32 | xand | Kenman: why would you want a GUI for a server? |
| 10:28.33 | basantashrestha | xand, with apt-get is there some way to skip some package while dist-upgrading and continue with dist-upgrade |
| 10:28.44 | xand | basantashrestha: I don't know or care |
| 10:29.12 | Kenman | xand, setting up users/groups/permissions |
| 10:29.22 | Kenman | xand, and shares obviously |
| 10:29.32 | Guerin | Kenman: obviously? |
| 10:29.41 | xand | !ftp |
| 10:29.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 10:29.41 | basantashrestha | xand, so apt-get is useless if you are stuck with some broken packages |
| 10:29.43 | Guerin | Kenman: this is what editing a config file is for |
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| 10:29.45 | stew | basantashrestha: no, why do you wnat to? |
| 10:29.56 | stew | basantashrestha: no, it is not useless |
| 10:30.07 | Kenman | .. |
| 10:30.21 | xand | Kenman: ftp is bad mmkay :) |
| 10:30.33 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 10:30.33 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 10:31.47 | Kenman | ok i see a rant, but i don't see any proposed alternatives |
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| 10:32.10 | xand | scp/sftp |
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| 10:33.15 | stew | Kenman: i doubt what your looking for exists, at least in debian ; possibly with one of those big, all-encompassing hosting control panel thingies |
| 10:33.15 | Omena- | what is the difference between 486 and 686? |
| 10:33.16 | basantashrestha | stew, what would you do if you r in the middle of dist-upgrade and it can't proceed because of some not very important package |
| 10:33.19 | xand | Omena-: in terms of the CPU or the kernel image? |
| 10:33.26 | stew | Omena-: 686 doesn't support 486s and pentiums, it only supports pentium pro, pentium 2 and higher |
| 10:33.27 | Omena- | kernel |
| 10:33.46 | Omena- | well wich should i pick for AMD? |
| 10:33.51 | stew | Omena-: it also doesn't support SMP or HIGHMEM iirc |
| 10:33.52 | xand | probably k7 |
| 10:33.57 | xand | Omena-: what CPU is it? |
| 10:34.01 | Omena- | AMD Duron |
| 10:34.05 | xand | Omena-: use k7 then |
| 10:34.13 | stew | Omena-: err 486 doesn't support SMP and HIGHMEM iirc, but 686 definately does |
| 10:34.17 | Omena- | well im cuyrrently running 386 |
| 10:34.23 | xand | Omena-: k7. |
| 10:34.24 | Omena- | with my AMD Duron |
| 10:34.28 | Omena- | why does it work? |
| 10:34.36 | xand | it's forward compatible |
| 10:34.47 | Omena- | so i can choose anything |
| 10:34.52 | Omena- | they all just work |
| 10:34.54 | xand | are you listening? use k7 |
| 10:34.54 | Fuwex | how can I list the services running on my system? |
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| 10:35.00 | Omena- | o ok :D |
| 10:35.07 | Omena- | linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 10:35.10 | xand | uhuh |
| 10:35.18 | stew | Omena-: the 386 kenrels have been replaced by 486 kernels since 386s are no longer supported. 486 would support a k7, but using a k7 kernel for a k7 (which the duron is) would be marginally better |
| 10:35.18 | Omena- | why does it lack one number |
| 10:35.20 | xand | Fuwex: define "services" |
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| 10:35.40 | Omena- | linux-image-2.6-k7 why its only 2.6 |
| 10:35.43 | stew | Omena-: its a metapackage which depends on "whatever is the most current 2.6 kenrel" |
| 10:35.45 | Omena- | doesnt that mean 2.6.0 |
| 10:35.50 | Omena- | ohhhh |
| 10:35.55 | Fuwex | well, I'm trying to remove any services I dont' need, I'd like to try to keep services to a minimum as I'll only really need ssh and apache |
| 10:36.14 | Fuwex | basically remove any unecessary running programs I suppose |
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| 10:36.51 | Omena- | can i just aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 10:37.01 | Omena- | im not sure if i have it installed :D |
| 10:37.04 | stew | Omena-: yes |
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| 10:37.54 | Omena- | stew its gonna want me to remove hotplug |
| 10:37.56 | Omena- | :> |
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| 10:38.33 | Braindead | Omena-: hotplug is deprecated |
| 10:39.04 | Omena- | well lets do this then! :> |
| 10:39.13 | basantashrestha | wols, aptitude dist-upgrade is downloading more packages |
| 10:39.17 | Omena- | just that im gonna have problems rebooting... |
| 10:39.20 | Fuwex | do I need inetd? |
| 10:39.20 | Omena- | my 300d uptime |
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| 10:39.29 | Omena- | its not gonna be easy you know... |
| 10:39.32 | tarzeau | Fuwex: i don't think so, if you have to ask |
| 10:39.42 | Fuwex | ok |
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| 10:39.46 | Fuwex | I'd like to remove it if possible :) |
| 10:40.09 | tarzeau | Fuwex: you can try that, which inetd do you have? |
| 10:40.14 | tarzeau | Fuwex: what says dpkg -l |grep inetd ? |
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| 10:40.51 | Fuwex | update-inetd 4.27-0.5 |
| 10:40.59 | Kenman | cool, sftp already works |
| 10:41.01 | Fuwex | and there's some openbsd-inetd too |
| 10:41.15 | tarzeau | Fuwex: the command would be apt-get remove update-inetd |
| 10:41.25 | Fuwex | ok, thanks |
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| 10:41.38 | Fuwex | oh, nice, that removed a ton of services :) |
| 10:41.52 | tarzeau | Fuwex: are you sure you want that? |
| 10:41.56 | tarzeau | Fuwex: you should read harden-doc |
| 10:41.59 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 10:41.59 | dpkg | i guess harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 10:41.59 | Fuwex | ok |
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| 10:42.39 | Fuwex | I was reading through that one or a document linked to from that one and it somewhere suggested to remove inetd if I dont' need any of the services running on it |
| 10:42.46 | Fuwex | which I don't |
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| 10:47.24 | jack_deltrino | What's the maximum recommended allowable password? (As in beyond that would break a lot of stuff) |
| 10:47.31 | Esaj | is it possible for me to reinstall the mysql package without losing my databases? |
| 10:47.42 | Fuwex | to config iptables, can I enter the entries directly into the config file (assuming there is one) ? |
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| 10:50.31 | Talnakh_ | hi everyone. i have a bunch of email addresses in the form user@domain ( there are many domains). how can i filter emails so there would be only users? |
| 10:50.35 | stew | Esaj: yes, but its always wise to have a backup of /var/lib/msyql and /etc/mysql in any case |
| 10:51.05 | Esaj | stew: so do I just do apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0? |
| 10:51.06 | stew | Talnakh_: sed 's/@.*//' |
| 10:51.17 | Talnakh_ | cool thanks ;-) |
| 10:51.38 | stew | Esaj: yes, that would not remove your databases or your config, if you want to reinstall "aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.0". but why do you want to reinstall it? |
| 10:52.02 | Esaj | stew: I'm having some trouble doing apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 10:52.16 | Talnakh_ | Stew, thanks |
| 10:52.26 | Esaj | stew: it's hanging for some reason and I think reinstalling it might solve the problem |
| 10:53.01 | Esaj | stew: I'm getting "ERROR: 1062 Duplicate entry 'localhost-root' for key 1" on mysql_install_db if that means anything to you |
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| 10:53.31 | ElDios | Hi guys.. have a strange problem with openvpn |
| 10:53.31 | ElDios | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.31 | ElDios | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.31 | ElDios | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:53.41 | ElDios | sorry |
| 10:53.46 | stew | Esaj: did you google for that error? |
| 10:54.04 | Esaj | stew: yeah, no real resolution found though |
| 10:54.18 | Esaj | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418113 |
| 10:54.43 | basti`DND | How can i change the letter-spacing in xterm with Xresources? Is there any opinion? |
| 10:55.08 | Esaj | stew: hmm, now I'm getting "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." |
| 10:55.23 | stew | Esaj: run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
| 10:55.24 | Esaj | stew: when I type apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 |
| 10:55.37 | Esaj | stew: that'll just make it hang again |
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| 10:56.21 | stew | the problem here is that the error you are seeing is probably related to the mysql.user table, and removing mysql doesn't touch the (broken) tables |
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| 10:57.04 | Esaj | stew: I see, is there any way I can start mysqld and fix the problem manually? |
| 10:58.21 | stew | dunno |
| 10:58.43 | rhalff | anyone know if there is an alternative package available for php5 that doesn't ship with a crippled gd module ? |
| 10:58.56 | wols | crippled? |
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| 10:59.51 | rhalff | like missing half of the functions normally available :) |
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| 11:00.19 | fireba11 | rhalff: install gd2 if you need it ? |
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| 11:02.17 | crm_ | hi hi |
| 11:02.30 | crm_ | ive got this driver that i can only get hold of the source for |
| 11:02.35 | Fuwex | will iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT allow ssh, or do I need to supply -s or -d? |
| 11:02.43 | crm_ | im using a sarge kernel 2.6 |
| 11:02.48 | crm_ | the image |
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| 11:03.08 | xand | Fuwex: you only need to specify -s if you want to limit it |
| 11:03.12 | crm_ | and don't know how to build just the driver.. it seems to want to know about the kernel source |
| 11:03.18 | Fuwex | ok, cheers xand |
| 11:03.19 | itchi | My computer crash after a random time. The screen is messed and when moving a window i mess it more up. Looking with top, xorg let the cpu runs at 100% speed. If i kill xorg, the whole computer freeze. How can i troubleshoot this problem? |
| 11:03.46 | wols | itchi: what video driver? |
| 11:04.15 | itchi | wols: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] |
| 11:04.30 | hark | the radeon driver? |
| 11:04.32 | wols | crm_: you need kernel headers for your exactl kernel. if that still doesn't work, paste the commands and the output for them |
| 11:04.43 | wols | I didn't ask what videocard but what driver |
| 11:04.54 | itchi | I have quick recompile the modules with modules-assistant, maybe need i to put the 'vesa' driver for test? |
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| 11:05.03 | wols | and you should use the ati driver in etch for this card |
| 11:05.19 | itchi | wols: oh, :-p fglrx |
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| 11:05.27 | uselessid | hey, is it normal that when i install the debian, and then configure the apt-setup, do a apt-get update, it automatically starts to update de packets? |
| 11:05.28 | hark | itchi: the radeon driver defintely.. fglrx yuck |
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| 11:05.42 | wols | itchi: that's one big suspect there. you have a tainted kernel with questionable quality |
| 11:05.44 | hark | there's no apt-setup anymore |
| 11:05.52 | itchi | Dunno, i have always used this fglrx driver, it have always worked fine :-) |
| 11:06.01 | uselessid | yes, there is, in my version... |
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| 11:06.18 | wols | uselessid: what version would that be? |
| 11:06.21 | hark | uselessid: well, no it shouldn't |
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| 11:06.30 | uselessid | 3... something |
| 11:06.41 | wols | ulf_k_: a little more exact would be nice... |
| 11:06.43 | itchi | wols: Heh, how do i get that other driver? :-) |
| 11:06.45 | wols | grr |
| 11:06.48 | normana | hello, i have a problem after upgraded to 4.0, my soft raid isn't working.. i get [2/1] [_U] in /proc/mdadm , thsi is for / other partitions work fine.. how can i resync the raid ? |
| 11:06.53 | wols | uselessid: dpkg -l libc6 |grep tail -1 |
| 11:07.00 | uselessid | i dont know exactly, sorry ;D |
| 11:07.16 | uselessid | im not on the debian right now ;/ |
| 11:07.29 | wols | uselessid: anyways, you might want to dist-upgrade to etch unless there is some reason against that (debian 4.0) |
| 11:07.44 | hark | uselessid: it won't upgrade unless you tell it to |
| 11:08.15 | uselessid | strange... i dont want it to upgrade, but it forces me to... |
| 11:08.46 | itchi | Is that radeon driver in xorg? Need i to install some stuff to get that radeon driver? |
| 11:09.00 | plutonas | which file should i back up, so that i can restore all the installed packages in a new installation? |
| 11:09.05 | wols | itchi: ati |
| 11:09.09 | hark | no, xserver-xorg-video-ati provides that |
| 11:09.17 | mike1_ | ati is fine |
| 11:09.19 | itchi | wols: Just replace fglrx with ati ? |
| 11:09.21 | Fuwex | The apache2 package is apache 2.2, right? |
| 11:09.27 | hark | plutonas: /msg dpkg selections |
| 11:09.27 | mike1_ | yes |
| 11:09.31 | cusco | yes |
| 11:09.32 | wols | itchi: remove fglrx completely |
| 11:09.35 | Fuwex | ok |
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| 11:09.44 | hark | !tell Fuwex -about search |
| 11:09.49 | wols | since it brings its own prorietary opengl and stuff |
| 11:09.52 | Fuwex | just making sure hark :P |
| 11:09.59 | Fuwex | at this point I don't trust my own findings |
| 11:09.59 | hark | diversions and all.. |
| 11:10.00 | itchi | wols: Heh, ow do i remove somethings that i have installed with modules-assistant? |
| 11:10.07 | itchi | wols: how* |
| 11:10.11 | wols | the "ati" driver can use compiz too right? unlike fglrx? |
| 11:10.18 | systemv | can i resume file downloading with curl (like WGET -C ) |
| 11:10.21 | hark | yeah |
| 11:10.28 | hark | supports composite ;) |
| 11:10.28 | itchi | wols: At least, with fglrx, it's not work yet here |
| 11:10.30 | cusco | wols: I don't think so |
| 11:10.32 | systemv | HOW |
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| 11:11.14 | hark | systemv: not YOU, wols |
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| 11:11.24 | systemv | ok |
| 11:11.26 | cusco | oh yes it is |
| 11:11.28 | cusco | :p- |
| 11:11.49 | systemv | cusco: is it for me |
| 11:12.02 | hark | systemv: man curl /resume |
| 11:12.45 | cusco | systemv: yea -C |
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| 11:12.57 | itchi | Heh, the nice thing is that fglrx have always work like a charm here :-) until now :-s |
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| 11:13.09 | itchi | I have used that sinds Sarge was out |
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| 11:13.23 | cusco | itchi: but it is closed source :( why? |
| 11:13.24 | uselessid | well, i cant install flash on a 64bits arch linux? |
| 11:13.32 | uselessid | damn! |
| 11:13.37 | wols | uselessid: no. you can however use a chroot |
| 11:14.04 | itchi | Bah, i think that my card not worked with that ati driver, but i dunno anymore, like it's long time ago, gona try it out right now |
| 11:14.36 | itchi | But i was to fresh at that time with Debian maybe |
| 11:14.37 | uselessid | wols: as it was a x86? |
| 11:14.38 | hark | itchi: yeah, but for the 9600, the radeon driver is the way to go.. |
| 11:14.57 | itchi | hark: Okay, gona that direction right now :-) |
| 11:15.24 | hark | itchi: forget fluxbox even.. install compiz with it ;p |
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| 11:15.39 | itchi | I just not know how to remove that fglrx stuff i have installed with modules-assistant :-s |
| 11:15.49 | hark | as any other package |
| 11:15.56 | itchi | I have purged these fglrx-* stuff |
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| 11:16.04 | hark | dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 11:16.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep fglrx |
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| 11:16.24 | itchi | hark: Gone :-) |
| 11:16.34 | hark | there's m-a purge etc, but don't use it :0 |
| 11:16.52 | Jabka | when i need to upload a key to a keyserver (gpg) do i need to send the pub key or the sub key ? |
| 11:17.00 | hark | itchi: change "fglrx" to "ati" and then try |
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| 11:17.33 | itchi | hark: He tell me to do m-a purge --force fglrx I need quick check the man |
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| 11:18.24 | hark | itchi: leave that.. no need for it |
| 11:18.54 | vlt|home | Hello, how can I remove an IP address from device eth1 w/o bringing the whole eth1 down? |
| 11:19.21 | itchi | hark: Just sed -i 's/fglrx/ati/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 11:19.38 | hark | heh, yes |
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| 11:20.01 | hark | keep a backup always ;) |
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| 11:20.30 | itchi | I have 2 output's there :-) wtf that sed is so cool :-) |
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| 11:20.53 | itchi | THE toy for a lazy guy like me buhahaha |
| 11:21.22 | petemc | vlt|home: how did you add the address? |
| 11:21.39 | itchi | heh, it work(tm) |
| 11:22.00 | vlt|home | petemc: `ifconfig eth1 192.168.178.1` |
| 11:22.06 | quitte_ | vlt|home: i doubt its the way to do it. but setting the address to 0.0.0.0 worked for me |
| 11:22.13 | itchi | Wait, gona move and tryout. Is that 3D enabled default and such? |
| 11:22.19 | hark | itchi: check glxinfo |grep direct too |
| 11:23.31 | itchi | arg direct rendering: No |
| 11:24.01 | hark | did you run that m-a purge? |
| 11:24.09 | hark | must have ;) |
| 11:24.20 | itchi | hark: Not yet :-) |
| 11:24.50 | hark | ok, check glxinfo and the Xorg.0.log then |
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| 11:25.43 | itchi | agpgart still use fglrx i see in lsmod. Did that m-a purge --force fglrx |
| 11:26.28 | itchi | If i'm been right, the only way to unpurge all these fglrx stuff is a reboot. Like when i setup it, no way to get it running before a reboot |
| 11:26.51 | hark | yes |
| 11:26.52 | itchi | At least, i not have found that way :-) |
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| 11:27.12 | itchi | okay, arg, gona reboot and loose my screen session, brb |
| 11:27.50 | MrWup | isnt there something that handles sending mail, IMAP mail boxes and fetching mail all in one? a complete SMTP and IMAP mail solution? open source? |
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| 11:28.20 | torrr | how can I unpack RPMs my defalt archiver say RPM not supported? |
| 11:28.30 | wols | MrWup: courier perhaps. but every one out there a) consists of sevreal programs b) needs additional configu usually |
| 11:28.44 | wols | torrr: you can use alien to convert it to tgz |
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| 11:30.11 | torrr | ps . I just want to look inside not install or anything like that |
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| 11:31.59 | HellTiger | torrr, rpm2html |
| 11:32.09 | HellTiger | i put the content of the rpm to an html page |
| 11:32.10 | HellTiger | =) |
| 11:32.25 | HellTiger | apt-cache search rpm ... |
| 11:32.26 | hark | just use alien.. |
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| 11:32.44 | hark | don't install rpm ;) |
| 11:32.47 | itchi | xorg not start up :-p |
| 11:33.13 | hark | itchi: aw, what error? |
| 11:33.16 | cydork | alien is evil!! |
| 11:33.17 | itchi | I first change that language, cause it's in french and that sucks these error messages |
| 11:33.40 | hark | !scully |
| 11:33.40 | dpkg | i heard scully is howt. |
| 11:34.00 | itchi | Somethings about MergeFB that are not supported |
| 11:34.06 | itchi | Gona ssh to it |
| 11:34.22 | hark | itchi: do the grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log thing |
| 11:34.45 | hark | oh, ok |
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| 11:35.52 | itchi | hark: http://pastebin.ca/436183 |
| 11:37.23 | Omena- | yes, id like to get a perfect windows emulator please |
| 11:37.40 | Omena- | anyone happen to have? ;D |
| 11:37.43 | itchi | hark: Wait, i have here in my xorg.conf a line Option "UseFBDev" "true" |
| 11:37.57 | hark | itchi: grep -i fbdev /etc/X11/xorg.conf , and comment it out? |
| 11:38.07 | liable | itchi: did you just install fglrx and x wont work? |
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| 11:38.16 | hark | liable: bingo! |
| 11:38.23 | petemc | Omena-: qemu, vmware |
| 11:38.35 | itchi | hark: Yup, did it and it gdm start up right now :-) |
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| 11:38.39 | hark | actually removed fglrx and x won't work ;) |
| 11:38.45 | liable | oh |
| 11:38.46 | Omena- | petemc i mean like perfect :)) |
| 11:38.58 | torrr | if I want to install alien it marks rpm too |
| 11:39.12 | itchi | liable: No, i have removed fglrx, cause somethings crashed. Dunno what exactly, xorg runned at 100% cpu speed |
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| 11:39.18 | hark | !perfect |
| 11:39.19 | dpkg | There is no such thing as absolute perfection. Perfection is completely subjective. [with the possible exception of Debian.] See Debian. |
| 11:39.27 | hark | torrr: yeah, go ahead :) |
| 11:39.37 | petemc | Omena-: they both run windows |
| 11:39.43 | torrr | hark, I am afraid |
| 11:39.47 | hark | itchi: direct rendering? |
| 11:40.04 | petemc | Omena-: you could also look at virtualbox |
| 11:40.11 | liable | anyone use gallery2 and can tell me how to redirect to a users album in apache instead of going to the main page? |
| 11:40.15 | Omena- | -.- |
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| 11:40.37 | petemc | Omena-: if you dont want an answer, why ask a question? |
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| 11:40.45 | liable | i can do the redirect from main.php, but then *everything* redirects to that :( |
| 11:40.49 | itchi | hark: No :-( |
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| 11:41.51 | hark | itchi: damn |
| 11:42.13 | itchi | hark: I'm looking in the logs to find somethings |
| 11:42.53 | itchi | hark: Maybe my config, we never know :-) |
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| 11:44.19 | Fuwex | I read about this small package which would disallow an IP from connecting to the SSH server running on the machine after 5 unsuccessful remote login attempts (might also have been locally, can't recall) - does anyone know the name of this package? |
| 11:44.33 | Fuwex | or something with a similar purpose |
| 11:44.46 | mina_linux_Tux | regarding this Touchscreen installation Readme http://pastebin.ca/435492 what's right way to do that on Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 as there's no /etc/rc.d/rc.local , any help please , i know that my question is off-topic but ubuntu didn't have any way to help me regarding kernel stuff , so i'm here as i think that ubuntu is debian based , and i'm only asking about the right way of module kernel insertion nothing related to ubuntu , sorry anyhow |
| 11:45.03 | smacnay | Hello, I am trying to get my debian etch (new install) to not load certain modules. I have added the appropriate lines to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and run update-initramfs on the kernel. On reboot, all the modules I specified to not load still load. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 11:45.11 | Ronin | Fuwex: fail2ban iirc |
| 11:45.14 | xand | mina_linux_Tux: we dont help with ubuntu |
| 11:45.23 | Fuwex | Ronin: ok, I'll check it out - thanks :) |
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| 11:45.45 | hark | mina_linux_Tux: use paragraphs ;p |
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| 11:46.31 | mina_linux_Tux | xand: it's ok i know , but i'm asking even for a pointer to the right way to insert kernel modules on debian based distro |
| 11:46.56 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 11:46.57 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 11:46.57 | hark | mina_linux_Tux: in /etc/modules |
| 11:47.04 | xand | hark: bad. |
| 11:47.19 | itchi | hark: I dunno what the problem could be are. That' the Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/436226 and the xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/436227 |
| 11:47.22 | hark | :( |
| 11:47.30 | hark | !bad bot |
| 11:47.30 | dpkg | :( |
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| 11:48.25 | mina_linux_Tux | hark: and what about the insmod instruction , the say it has to be in /etc/rc.d/rc.local before startx which isn't present |
| 11:48.37 | pythonic | mina_linux_Tux: fuck off to #ubuntu |
| 11:48.41 | pythonic | please :-) |
| 11:48.51 | hark | mina_linux_Tux: that's all! |
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| 11:49.21 | notty | i get a Apr 12 14:46:34 server couriertcpd: LOGIN FAILED, error.... verry detailed... what can i make of this ? it happend after the upgrade |
| 11:49.28 | doudou1 | hi how do i install xmlmind, i tried aptitude install xmlmind but does not knows it, i have always when i type aptitude a ligne with linux-image-.. has been kept why? |
| 11:50.15 | hark | doudou1: /msg dpkg held back |
| 11:50.53 | hark | !insmod |
| 11:50.53 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 11:51.17 | Fuwex | What are the debian people going to do when there are no more toy story characters to name after? |
| 11:51.31 | doudou1 | hark, does not work as dpkg says it is not a command |
| 11:51.57 | doudou1 | dpkg held back |
| 11:51.58 | dpkg | i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 11:51.58 | hark | mina_linux_Tux: there's rc.local in Debian.. |
| 11:52.17 | pythonic | Fuwex: at debian's rate of releases we're good though the 25th century |
| 11:52.35 | pythonic | through* |
| 11:52.44 | Fuwex | hehe :) |
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| 11:54.16 | smacnay | maybe my question should be: on an etch install, I notice both discover and hotplug directories in /etc. Is the etch install still really more like a sarge install? |
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| 11:54.49 | wols | smacnay: upgraded from sarge or new etch install? |
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| 11:55.16 | itchi | hark: Did you saw somethings wrong in that config? |
| 11:55.22 | smacnay | wols: it was a new etch install a few weeks ago with nice lvm configuration at the beginning. I assumed etch. |
| 11:55.45 | xored | after updating to etch / during the update from sarge, iam running into problems with amavis..he cant upgrade...anythin know ? |
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| 11:57.53 | FlameBird | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso <--- If i get this only can I do an offline install? |
| 11:58.05 | doudou1 | it tried kdpk -s intall linux ... and after aptitude install linux ... et finihed with [update-grub] failed to execute (he did not find files, but i went with disk 100%) so dpkg finished with error 1 |
| 11:58.05 | asddsa | Hey guys, You know if Asus Wifi G Onboard is compatible with linux? |
| 11:58.23 | plundra | FlameBird: Hey, the 80's just called and wanted there installation method back |
| 11:58.34 | smacnay | wols: I am getting stymied in blacklisting modules using the "etch" instructions with the "/msg dpkg blacklist" and "/msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs". |
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| 11:58.53 | FlameBird | plundra do it works or not? :P |
| 11:58.58 | asddsa | Hey guys, You know if Asus Wifi G Onboard is compatible with linux? sorry.. |
| 11:59.01 | FlameBird | I mean can I do an offline install or not? |
| 11:59.22 | FlameBird | asddsa search the net mate |
| 11:59.35 | FlameBird | plundra ? |
| 11:59.45 | plundra | FlameBird: Beats me, but probably there's atleast a base system on it, but I have no idea actually. |
| 11:59.53 | FlameBird | ah ok |
| 12:00.02 | plundra | Haven't done a offline-installation in years I'm afraid :-) |
| 12:00.06 | FlameBird | lol |
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| 12:00.21 | FlameBird | I have a download speed of 210kbps |
| 12:00.26 | xored | i have this chkrootkit can..something strange .... http://www.pastebin.ca/436239 could someone have a look ? |
| 12:00.38 | hark | itchi: aah, I have to test some EFTs here.. |
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| 12:00.56 | doudou1 | hark, i tried the aptitude install grub, i got /ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-26_i386.deb: 404 Not Found, and then error 255 |
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| 12:01.37 | hark | doudou1: yeah, run an update first and check your mirrors... |
| 12:01.38 | itchi | hark: EFTs?? |
| 12:01.57 | hark | electronic fund transfers.. ISO8583 stuff :\ |
| 12:02.18 | dererk[work] | Morning |
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| 12:03.35 | itchi | hark: I let you play :-p |
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| 12:04.00 | itchi | I need to fix my apt-proxy, there's a bug and i'm screwed haha |
| 12:04.46 | itchi | !#382078 |
| 12:04.47 | doudou1 | hark, aptitude update and then aptitude install grub, all is correct now. i am still looking for an xml editor like xmlmind, i have only fluxbox and not gnome |
| 12:05.01 | itchi | hmm, how work that? :-) |
| 12:05.42 | smacnay | wols: hmm, when I run 'update-initramfs -u -k my-kernel -v', I see that a lot of the modules I don't want added are being added. So it seems that update-initramfs is not either seeing my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file or is ignoring it. |
| 12:06.06 | liable | itchi: !dbugs xxxxxx |
| 12:06.23 | itchi | liable: Thanks :-) i just found /msg bug 382078 too |
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| 12:06.59 | itchi | Anyway, it's still now fixed haha |
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| 12:07.13 | notty | can soemone help me with a courier problem ? |
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| 12:07.47 | xand | !anyone |
| 12:07.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:08.29 | doudou1 | hark, when could i install a 2.6.20 kernel, i read it can make work many more webcams and specially the onei bought (logitech pro 5000) |
| 12:08.56 | notty | xand: asked no one replayed.. |
| 12:09.19 | xand | notty: you might want to pastebin the error |
| 12:09.59 | hark | doudou1: yeah it works with other kernels too, using linux-uvc-source |
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| 12:10.06 | hark | doudou1: google to be sure.. |
| 12:10.33 | hark | itchi: try a drxx.. get rid of the existing one |
| 12:10.48 | hark | !info linux-uvc-source |
| 12:11.05 | dpkg | linux-uvc-source: (Linux Kernel USB Video Class module), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.svn54-5 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 12:11.06 | itchi | hark: Yup, gona give it a try |
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| 12:11.40 | notty | xand: http://pastebin.ca/436249 |
| 12:12.13 | doudou1 | hark, you mean aptitude install linux-uvc-source and test it? |
| 12:12.24 | Lord_Devi | I'm trying to install apache with ssl, both guides I've looked at for start off with apt-get install apache2, however, I have no apache2-ssl-certificate script that they both mention.. What package is in this in..? |
| 12:12.36 | doudou1 | !info linux-uvc-source |
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| 12:12.44 | dpkg | linux-uvc-source: (Linux Kernel USB Video Class module), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.svn54-5 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 12:13.00 | notty | xand: mysql get's the query... |
| 12:13.05 | xand | sorry don't know |
| 12:13.15 | fireba11 | Lord_Devi: you have. it's in the apache2 package |
| 12:13.55 | Lord_Devi | fireball: It's /definately/ installed, and i've done an updatedb, 'locate apache2-ssl-certificate' as well as a few other locate varients trying to see if it changed names or something.. |
| 12:14.03 | hark | Lord_Devi: there's none.. either do it using openssl or install ssl-cert and use make-ssl-cert |
| 12:14.03 | doudou1 | hark, google "debian linux-uvc-source" said it works with logitech webcam pro 5000 |
| 12:14.12 | notty | can anyone can help me with this courier error http://pastebin.ca/436249 ? |
| 12:14.23 | hark | doudou1: then what is the problem |
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| 12:14.42 | Lord_Devi | hark: that script doesn't exist anymore then in the apache2 package? |
| 12:15.15 | hark | right |
| 12:15.19 | Lord_Devi | wait a minute.. dpkg -L apache2, only shows a few docs.. wtf |
| 12:15.33 | hark | !find apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 12:15.40 | doudou1 | hark, maybe no more problems aptitude install linux-uvc-source worked |
| 12:15.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'apache2-ssl-certificate' returned no results. |
| 12:16.01 | Lord_Devi | ok.. why the heck is apache2 only 38k for me.. wtf?! |
| 12:16.02 | hark | Lord_Devi: ^^ |
| 12:16.03 | Lord_Devi | UgH |
| 12:16.09 | fireba11 | Lord_Devi: seems they split of apache2-doc |
| 12:16.49 | doudou1 | hark, for my xml editor ... ? and another question my disk is 96% full, what can i easily drop, like doc or something i can find in google? |
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| 12:17.52 | hark | doudou1: you can run apt-get clean for one.. look at old logs etc, |
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| 12:18.27 | TravellingSalesM | hi all , i have problem with setting up my home network in debian can someone help me? |
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| 12:18.31 | hark | doudou1: you won't find specialized editors like you get for windows like oxygen and all.. |
| 12:18.54 | hark | doudou1: but, there are plenty.. even emacs has some good modes |
| 12:18.54 | apk | oxygen is available on linux, no? |
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| 12:19.10 | hark | nah |
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| 12:19.38 | apk | http://www.oxygenxml.com/download.html#linux_instructions |
| 12:19.47 | doudou1 | hark, i know almost nothing about xml, i dont want something complicated, it is just with vi it is difficult to make mistakes |
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| 12:19.58 | hark | apk: yay! |
| 12:20.10 | doudou1 | hark, it is easy to make mistakes in xml files |
| 12:20.12 | praecox | hello guys, I have experienced unexpected reboots of my Linux on Debian. |
| 12:20.37 | praecox | Apr 12 12:42:14 localhost shutdown[5637]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 12:20.37 | praecox | Apr 12 12:43:19 localhost exiting on signal 15 |
| 12:20.45 | praecox | that's what I got and it simply reboots. |
| 12:20.47 | hark | doudou1: ok, i really have to go now.. back in a couple of hours |
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| 12:22.01 | praecox | any way I can try to investigate this problem? |
| 12:22.01 | praecox | I need to trace it down. |
| 12:22.01 | apk | praecox: did you check syslog and daemon.log? |
| 12:22.01 | TravellingSalesM | how can i forward a port in debian? |
| 12:22.01 | praecox | apk, yes, nothing there. |
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| 12:22.02 | apk | praecox: Are you sure the isn't another user logged in? |
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| 12:22.03 | fireba11 | Lord_Devi: hm .. lemme check |
| 12:22.03 | Tallu | TravellingSalesM: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $external -p tcp -dport 31337 -j DNAT -to 10.2.0.20:31337 |
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| 12:22.17 | fireba11 | Lord_Devi : try openssl req $@ -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/apache.pem :-) |
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| 12:22.27 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 12:22.31 | praecox | apk, not any known. no info at last, finger, no user logged in. |
| 12:22.32 | Lord_Devi | fireba11: Oh hey thanks! |
| 12:22.36 | praecox | apk, nothing in bash_history. |
| 12:22.45 | praecox | apk, I found this: http://www.lm-sensors.org/ticket/2072 |
| 12:22.49 | dazjorz | How do I see what hard drives are attached again? (Not mounted, attached, i.e. /dev/hda, /dev/hdb) |
| 12:22.56 | praecox | apk, but I don't even have ACPI compiled into my kernel. |
| 12:22.58 | TravellingSalesM | Tallu: i have to NICs one connected to 192.168.1.* and one to 172.16.1.* i can ssh in one network while i can not ssh in the other, any clue? |
| 12:23.06 | apk | praecox: My first thought is to replace /sbin/halt with a script that writes out information to a log about who calls it. |
| 12:23.09 | TravellingSalesM | Tallu: two NICs :) |
| 12:23.40 | Lord_Devi | fireba11: Actually just found that line after you said that in a new guide i just found, lol. awesome.. |
| 12:23.49 | Lord_Devi | I was reading a sarge guide before for some reason.. |
| 12:24.07 | fireba11 | Lord_Devi: seems they removed that script from etch for soem reason .. |
| 12:24.16 | praecox | apk, well, if it only happened regularily - sure. |
| 12:24.20 | itchi | hark: Nah, still not get that DRI haha |
| 12:24.22 | praecox | apk, but it's quite unexpected. |
| 12:24.30 | apk | praecox: Sounds like my car. |
| 12:24.39 | Lord_Devi | fireba11: Doesn't bother me. Just out of date guides do, lol |
| 12:24.39 | Tallu | TravellingSalesM: if you want to forward a port from 192.168.1.0/32 to 172 you use that one and specify ext as the 192 iface and the -to as the source (the sshd box in the other network) if you just cant access the gateway from the other box check if it's listening there |
| 12:24.42 | praecox | apk, but it's a thought thou. |
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| 12:30.46 | aidehua | How can I tell what version of USB my disk is using? lsusb -v says "bcdUSB 2.00", is that USB2? |
| 12:32.01 | TravellingSalesM | Tallu: too complicated, i am still trying to interpret ur statement :| |
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| 12:33.36 | Tallu | TravellingSalesM: uh, sorry. explain in detail what you're trying to achieve and what isnt working |
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| 12:35.12 | wols | TravellingSalesM: your machine has two NICs which are in two different subnets |
| 12:35.36 | wols | now you want to ssh to some other machines from that machine with two NICs. so what ssh line won't work? |
| 12:35.40 | Hoxzer | Feel good |
| 12:35.54 | wols | Hoxzer: yes, thanks. and you? |
| 12:36.11 | TravellingSalesM | Tallu: i have 2 NICs on my PC , one of them connected to 192.168.1.___ which is the internet, and the other directly connected to my laptop with 172.16.1.___ , to share the internet i simply added some info in /etc/networks/interfaces and now i can access to the internet |
| 12:36.31 | wols | aidehua: try to copy something. if it's more than say 2-3 megabytes per second, it's usb2 |
| 12:36.39 | TravellingSalesM | Tallu: but my problem is that now i can ssh from PC to laptop, but it's not possible to ssh from laptop to pc |
| 12:36.57 | wols | TravellingSalesM: what info? |
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| 12:38.23 | TravellingSalesM | wols: just added the ip 172.16.1.1 for the eth0 and set the gateway to 192.168.1.12, i don't know whether it's the right thing or not, but it works and i can browse the internet from my laptop |
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| 12:40.38 | wols | TravellingSalesM: you have two choices imho: a bridge+forward or a secondary NAT |
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| 12:40.55 | wols | and if you can't connect to your PC anymore, it is definitely wrong |
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| 12:41.09 | sohmestra | I just upgraded a server of mine to etch, and now a rails app is failing with the error: Mysql::Error: Lost connection to MySQL server during query: SHOW FIELDS FROM sessions |
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| 12:41.59 | sohmestra | does anything come to mind that might have changed between sarge, etch that might affect mysql connections from etch/ruby? |
| 12:42.19 | sohmestra | the database server is on a different box, and has not changed at all. |
| 12:42.40 | basantashrestha | wols, hey aptitude is indeed better than apt-get thanks ! |
| 12:42.42 | petemc | sohmestra: i upgraded a few boxes running rails, no issues |
| 12:42.43 | sohmestra | the app has not been modified. |
| 12:42.51 | TravellingSalesM | wols: could u refer me to an online manual or something, i don't know how to that :| |
| 12:42.59 | petemc | tho i changed from fastcgi to fcgid |
| 12:43.16 | Lord_Devi | This apache2 guide I'm reading. It's unclear about something.. It states to enable ssl mode, you must 'enter' "Listen 443" into /etc/apache2/ports.conf. but does 'enter' mean replace "Listen 80" or add in addition to? |
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| 12:43.36 | petemc | Lord_Devi: do you still want non ssl connections? |
| 12:43.46 | sohmestra | Lord_Devi: in addition to |
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| 12:44.20 | Lord_Devi | petemc, sohmestra: Oh yeah ok. I suppose I do. So just append it then? |
| 12:44.29 | sohmestra | Lord_Devi: yes. |
| 12:44.32 | wols | TravellingSalesM: the easiest way is to remove the "gateway" line for 172 on the PC and install ipmasq |
| 12:44.38 | Lord_Devi | Thanks for helping =) |
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| 12:45.41 | wols | for the bridge: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/set-up-the-bridge.html under basic setup |
| 12:46.00 | wols | but then both PC and notebook need to be in 192.168.1.x |
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| 12:46.46 | TravellingSalesM | wols: which one do u suggest? any difference ? |
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| 12:47.26 | wols | technically the bridge is better while doubkle nat is easier |
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| 12:49.28 | vicentecarro | hi |
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| 12:51.27 | doudou1 | i am trying to install my webcam, i found # apt-get install module-assistant camstream |
| 12:51.32 | doudou1 | # m-a update,prepare,a-i spca5xx |
| 12:51.40 | doudou1 | what is m-a ? |
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| 12:51.52 | Tallu | module-assistant |
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| 12:52.50 | wookienz | .j #gentoo |
| 12:52.56 | wookienz | opps |
| 12:52.59 | TravellingSalesM | wols & Tallu : thanks :) |
| 12:53.03 | doudou1 | tallu, thanks |
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| 12:55.32 | vicentecarro | Is there notice about bugs (in 4.0) about uppercase spanish characters missing in man pages? |
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| 12:56.35 | doudou1 | i wonder why as copy and paste have been invented for now 20 years ... how debian can hope to be something else than a toy for fresh new students? |
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| 12:57.15 | petemc | doudou1: uh, what? |
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| 12:57.40 | tralala | doudou1, are you saying that you don't know how to copy and paste with debian? |
| 12:57.59 | Hoxzer | if I have debian etch in 2 machines can I use machine 1 to create a deb for machine 2? |
| 12:58.07 | Hoxzer | I think I can :O |
| 12:58.24 | xand | probably |
| 12:58.28 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 12:58.36 | Hoxzer | "Maybe you can I dunno reallY" |
| 12:59.05 | tralala | Hoxzer, this question is not as simple as you think |
| 12:59.07 | doudou1 | tralala yes it is almost true indee too, no i was simply saying that a tutorial where m-a is used to economise the typing of module-assistant is very stupid |
| 12:59.17 | Braindead | the binary is called m-a |
| 12:59.22 | Hoxzer | ok, tralala I'm trying to compile kernel :O |
| 12:59.30 | doudou1 | tralala because you cant invent that module-assistant exists |
| 12:59.35 | Hoxzer | can I use machine 1 to copile kernel for machine 2 |
| 12:59.47 | Hoxzer | by compile I mean -> create a deb out of source |
| 12:59.52 | petemc | Hoxzer: yes |
| 13:00.00 | Hoxzer | g8 |
| 13:00.03 | Hoxzer | *gr8 |
| 13:00.06 | Braindead | Hoxzer: kernel-package just create debs you can deploy anywhere |
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| 13:00.17 | Hoxzer | 2,4 Ghz is littlebit faster than 600Mhz |
| 13:00.49 | petemc | Hoxzer: just on the off chance you dont know, the debian built kernel packages work great for the most part |
| 13:00.56 | tralala | doudou1, typing m-a is much easier than both using tab complete for module-assistant and using copy/paste |
| 13:01.10 | Hoxzer | petemc: They dont have suspend2 patch included :( |
| 13:01.15 | petemc | ah, right |
| 13:01.16 | row | What is the cause of this: http://q.i.je/DSC00004.JPG ? |
| 13:01.31 | row | is that a dud hdd or something? |
| 13:01.45 | apk | Can someone explain why I can't copy/paste from an xterm into a Java Swing app, but I can copy from xterm into gvim, then from gvim to Java Swing? |
| 13:01.49 | Hoxzer | row: :) reflection is cute |
| 13:02.00 | petemc | row: that, or a dodgy cable |
| 13:02.05 | row | hmm |
| 13:02.11 | petemc | oh, wait.. |
| 13:02.11 | row | I will change the cables yet again |
| 13:02.12 | row | :/ |
| 13:02.18 | row | petemc? |
| 13:02.31 | petemc | its not what i thought it was... |
| 13:02.41 | row | ith all of my drives connected it hands on populating /dev iirc (udev) |
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| 13:02.48 | row | I have only 2 of the drives in at the moment |
| 13:02.51 | tralala | apk, how do you copy/paste from gvim? |
| 13:03.19 | row | petemc: any ideas? |
| 13:03.28 | apk | tralala: "y |
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| 13:03.59 | apk | tralala: Then Ctrl+V in the Java/Swing app. |
| 13:04.11 | doudou1 | tralala, problem is not to find easiest, but to find a way to speak to people that are not at the same level |
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| 13:04.30 | ooglaboogla | hello i have installed debian with a base system i installed gnome-desktop-environment but i get missing /etc/X11/X errors wen trying to start |
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| 13:04.55 | baldr | please,where could I find debian cd iso images of the stable release with the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 13:05.06 | tralala | apk, probably swing cannot use the X clipboard and is using the desktop environment clipboard instead, while xterm is using the X clipboard. |
| 13:05.42 | apk | tralala: What program handles the desktop environtment keyboard? Enlightenment? |
| 13:05.58 | Fox | baldr: grab the stable release, it's got 2.6.18 |
| 13:06.23 | stew | baldr: go to debian.org and click on "gettting debian" |
| 13:06.34 | doudou1 | i did all what is writen in tutorial, camstreams does not see any driver, lsusb see the webcam |
| 13:06.37 | baldr | the actual stable release ha 2.6.18 inside? |
| 13:06.37 | wols | ooglaboogla: you haven't installed X. you can install and use gnome without X on that machine |
| 13:06.43 | wols | ooglaboogla: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:06.46 | wols | baldr: yes |
| 13:06.51 | tralala | apk, different for the different environments |
| 13:06.51 | stew | baldr: yes. note that a new stable release was made on sunday |
| 13:07.00 | ooglaboogla | wols thnaks |
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| 13:07.22 | apk | tralala: Do some DEs sync their clipboard with X's? |
| 13:07.35 | tralala | apk, I think kde does |
| 13:07.54 | stew | do any DEs NOT sync their clipboard with X's? |
| 13:08.18 | apk | tralala: Whoever came up with "Mechanism, Not Policy" should be shot, huh? |
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| 13:09.27 | tralala | actually it is possbile to have different content at the same time in kde's clipboard and X's clipboard |
| 13:10.02 | tralala | so I'm not sure how exactly the sync is working but it is possible to get the clipboards out of sync |
| 13:10.25 | stew | tralala: how do you add something to the kde cliipboard that doesn't go into the X clipboard? |
| 13:10.36 | tralala | stew, ctrl+c |
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| 13:10.52 | tralala | actually, shift+arrows and then ctrl+c |
| 13:10.58 | stew | tralala: how to you put something into the X clipboard? |
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| 13:11.18 | tralala | stew, using the mouse |
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| 13:11.23 | stew | tralala: that is the X selection, not the X clipboard |
| 13:11.38 | apk | What is the difference? |
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| 13:12.35 | tralala | stew, I see. Well apk's problem then is coming from the fact that he's putting xterm's content into X selection and not into X clipboard |
| 13:12.54 | stew | apk: they are just two separate bins, the difference is how you put stuff in and how you get stuff out |
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| 13:13.00 | apk | tralala: How do I put something into the X clipboard? |
| 13:13.07 | wookienz | anyone know of any sites that can offer a descent download speed to test a new internet connection? i need greater than 8mbit |
| 13:13.12 | tralala | apk, from xterm - I don't know |
| 13:13.14 | Joshua_33 | Hello everybody at #debian |
| 13:13.30 | Braindead | hello doctor nick |
| 13:13.33 | Joshua_33 | I would like some help about configuring files in an installation cd |
| 13:13.34 | erstss | hey! i have just installed debian 4.0, when i type: base-config, i get: command not found. how do i run this feature now? |
| 13:13.36 | petemc | wookienz: google for bandwidth test |
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| 13:13.44 | apk | If I had a billion dollars, I'd fund a good open source replacement for X. |
| 13:14.15 | hark | unix too, haha |
| 13:14.16 | CaT[tm] | and if I had a billion dollars I'd keep it and tell you to RTFM. :) |
| 13:14.21 | cusco | why not fund X directly? |
| 13:14.26 | cusco | half work started |
| 13:14.29 | jetscreamer | if you had a billion dollars you'd probably be paying somebody to admin your network |
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| 13:14.35 | Hoxzer | s |
| 13:14.39 | cusco | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 13:15.06 | Joshua_33 | I am using the simple-cdd custom cd generator, but the question is general: I succesfully created a iso image, and I want to configure sudo in the debian-installer - add a user to the sudoers file in the installation process, with no admin interaction |
| 13:15.21 | Joshua_33 | if anybody can help... ;-) |
| 13:15.27 | tralala | apk, xclip is a command line tool for putting stuff from stdin into X clipboard. It will do the xterm trick for you, but it won't be very convinient. |
| 13:15.34 | cusco | Joshua_33: just edit /etc/sudoers |
| 13:15.46 | apk | cusco: From my (limited) understanding, X is a lost cause. |
| 13:15.53 | hark | middle click paste? |
| 13:16.01 | hark | itchi: aw, that sucks.. |
| 13:16.05 | Joshua_33 | yeah, but I would have to do it after installation, and I want to the debian-installer to do it automatically |
| 13:16.14 | cusco | apk: why? it makes me possible to point and click |
| 13:16.19 | tralala | apk, your understanding appears to be too limited |
| 13:16.19 | Joshua_33 | I dont want do to it manually |
| 13:16.19 | jetscreamer | erstss: probably just running aptitude, or knowing what you need |
| 13:16.34 | jetscreamer | erstss: seriously... hth :/ |
| 13:16.44 | MANITOU | hi ! black screen no lgin screen no konsole with debian 4 ! ibm T20 384 mb ram , 700 mhz , 20 gb HD , 8 mb savage! |
| 13:16.45 | CaT[tm] | apk: limited is too weak a word. |
| 13:16.59 | erstss | hth????? |
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| 13:17.01 | cusco | MANITOU: when you boot, what do you read last? |
| 13:17.06 | Joshua_33 | is there a d-i question to do it? |
| 13:17.07 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: grep EE /var/log/X?.0.log |
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| 13:17.12 | stew | apk: i don't know if there is a way to modify the clipbord from an xterm by default, you'd possibly have to set one up via xresources, you could maybe use a utility like xclip to move contents from the primary selection to the clipboard otherwise |
| 13:17.16 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 13:17.16 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 13:17.17 | apk | CaT[tm]: My understanding is that X has terminal design flaws. |
| 13:17.30 | hark | jetscreamer: i don't think he means X |
| 13:17.48 | jetscreamer | hark: he said kde.. :o |
| 13:17.54 | tralala | apk, such as? |
| 13:17.56 | CaT[tm] | apk: I think you've read that statement and are no parroting it. |
| 13:18.07 | apk | CaT[tm]: That is entirely possible. |
| 13:18.15 | jetscreamer | hark: but no telling |
| 13:18.24 | basantashrestha | where can i find a specific version of a package its not in stable, testing or unstable ? |
| 13:18.32 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 13:18.33 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 13:18.33 | stew | basantashrestha: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:18.40 | CaT[tm] | apk: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 13:18.49 | jetscreamer | and there is an archive something |
| 13:18.52 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 13:18.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:18.56 | jetscreamer | there it is |
| 13:19.03 | bakle | in configuring xserver-xorg, the pci bus id of the video card is asked for. how to find out the value? does this still apply if it is a AGP card? |
| 13:19.07 | apk | CaT[tm]: I can't copy from an xterm and paste into a Java/Swing application. |
| 13:19.15 | jetscreamer | basantashrestha: but it would have had to been in sources to use one of those |
| 13:19.26 | kyaneos | hi |
| 13:19.28 | apk | CaT[tm]: I have to use something else (i.e. gvim) as an intermediate step. |
| 13:19.30 | tralala | apk, why do you want to copy from xterm in the first place? |
| 13:19.31 | jetscreamer | bakle: leave it bank |
| 13:19.32 | hark | bakle: leave it blank.. hit enter |
| 13:19.34 | stew | bakle: leave it blank unless you have multiple cards |
| 13:19.35 | jetscreamer | will autodetect |
| 13:19.49 | jetscreamer | what stew said |
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| 13:19.54 | stew | (or if you are on an old mac or an alpha or somehting) |
| 13:19.59 | hark | MANITOU: X or boot itself? |
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| 13:20.02 | Joshua_33 | editing the /etc/sudores is not the way that I need... |
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| 13:20.07 | jetscreamer | or you could lspci |grep -i vga i think if you just wanna be anal |
| 13:20.08 | MANITOU | Joshua_33: load normal when switch to X nothing ! black |
| 13:20.16 | bakle | ok, thks, i believe i have tried leaving it blank, no gui screen. |
| 13:20.20 | doudou1 | does not work, 2,5GB for fluxbox weechat, almost 1GB of obsolete doc ... thanks debian |
| 13:20.25 | CaT[tm] | apk: yeah. that's an annoyance. it means swing doesn't have back compatability in it. you in gnome, kde or something? |
| 13:20.28 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: grep EE /var/log/X?.0.log |
| 13:20.32 | apk | tralala: Tailing a log file into which my daemon writes constructed SQL statements. I want to copy those SQL statements into a application to edit and run. |
| 13:20.45 | apk | CaT[tm]: Enlightenment 17. |
| 13:21.09 | basantashrestha | stew, but it only has source, no debs? |
| 13:21.09 | jetscreamer | when was E last released? |
| 13:21.10 | Joshua_33 | MANITOU: sorry? |
| 13:21.13 | stew | apk: select the statements with a left mouse drag, then middle click in the application? |
| 13:21.19 | stew | basantashrestha: sdn has both source and debs |
| 13:21.20 | CaT[tm] | apk: it's weird. it seems that java is using gtk but not using it properly. |
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| 13:21.38 | DawnLight | hello |
| 13:21.38 | bakle | hang on, i'll show the error line fr the x log. |
| 13:21.40 | apk | jetscreamer: e17 has not been released. I compiled from cvs. |
| 13:21.42 | kyaneos | how can i get 3d acceleration on an intel graphic card?? please |
| 13:21.54 | DawnLight | what do i use to make an image of one hd on another? |
| 13:21.55 | MANITOU | grep EE /var/log/X?.0.log nothing ! |
| 13:21.59 | wols | there is a site which shows you various letters in a 20 question kind of way and tells you what font it could be |
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| 13:22.04 | jetscreamer | kyaneos: might help to say exactly which card |
| 13:22.06 | DawnLight | kind of a ghost program? |
| 13:22.07 | MANITOU | just blinking |
| 13:22.11 | kyaneos | ok |
| 13:22.14 | wols | doh. wrong channel |
| 13:22.20 | wols | DawnLight: dd for example |
| 13:22.21 | kyaneos | an i865G graphic card |
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| 13:22.29 | apk | CaT[tm]: I do realize that it is a Java/Swing issue, but it seems to me that by X not enforcing policy, everybody does what they feel like with their applications and nothing works together. |
| 13:22.32 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: in a console... ctrl +alt +F2 ... log in. |
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| 13:22.43 | TravellingSalesM | wols: any hint on using ipmasq? |
| 13:22.44 | DawnLight | i have knoppix cd, i understand its popular and should have that kind of thing but can't find it. |
| 13:22.46 | kyaneos | how can i get 3d acceleration on an intel 865G graphic card?? please |
| 13:22.47 | wols | kyaneos: what driver do you use? |
| 13:22.52 | wols | TravellingSalesM: apt-get install ipmasq. done |
| 13:22.54 | tralala | apk, grep statement /var/log/syslog | xclip in xterm and then ctrl+v in swing |
| 13:22.57 | kyaneos | wols: i810 |
| 13:22.58 | stew | apk: how would X enforce policy here? |
| 13:23.09 | CaT[tm] | apk: Xs actual policy is rather limited. |
| 13:23.12 | wols | kyaneos: installed mesa, and I think enabled DR? |
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| 13:23.19 | wols | kyaneos: enabled DRI ? |
| 13:23.19 | MANITOU | nothing ! |
| 13:23.19 | jetscreamer | dri? |
| 13:23.29 | kyaneos | wols: i think so |
| 13:23.39 | kyaneos | wols: i have installed xlibmesa |
| 13:23.39 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: but you actually logged in to the console right? |
| 13:23.42 | wols | "i think so" = "I don't know" |
| 13:23.45 | petemc | DawnLight: you can use dd |
| 13:23.47 | tralala | apk, your problems are actually coming from java, not from X |
| 13:23.55 | apk | tralala: Yes, I do realize that. |
| 13:23.58 | MANITOU | when i login single user ! |
| 13:23.59 | wols | TravellingSalesM: what is the current problem? |
| 13:24.03 | kyaneos | wols: and in in xorg.conf i have activated the dri option and to load the dri module |
| 13:24.03 | Joshua_33 | noone?? |
| 13:24.08 | praecox | I have already asked here, but anyone got a clue why my server may be restarting unexpectedly? |
| 13:24.09 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: make that grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log sorry |
| 13:24.10 | tralala | apk, then why are you blaming X? |
| 13:24.12 | TravellingSalesM | wols ; :D i was trying to configure it lol while everything is working. thank you ! |
| 13:24.14 | Joshua_33 | is there a debian-installer channel? |
| 13:24.23 | godog | Joshua_33: try #debian-boot |
| 13:24.26 | praecox | there's no info in log files - just shutdown. |
| 13:24.40 | jetscreamer | Joshua_33: but on oftc not freenode |
| 13:24.56 | kyaneos | wols: have i enabled dri and mesa? |
| 13:25.10 | jetscreamer | that is the question i believe kyaneos |
| 13:25.31 | kyaneos | i have the dri option whit mode 0666 in xorg.conf |
| 13:25.39 | kyaneos | and also i have installed xlibmesa |
| 13:25.41 | apk | tralala: All the problems I have ever had with Linux have been blamed on "X makes it difficult/X is arbitrary/X did not provide ui standards/X is buggy". |
| 13:25.45 | DawnLight | dd... is there a gui? |
| 13:25.56 | Joshua_33 | going there... but anybody knows how to configure a sudoer file on the debian-installer postint phase |
| 13:25.56 | jetscreamer | dd_rhelp ddrescue |
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| 13:26.11 | jetscreamer | gddrescue i think |
| 13:26.13 | asx | in my router, how can i port forward some ports to all pcs that are connected to it? |
| 13:26.20 | pngwn | Joshua_33, debian.org/doc |
| 13:26.42 | jetscreamer | !info gddrescue |
| 13:26.46 | dpkg | gddrescue: (the GNU data recovery tool), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 13:26.48 | godog | asx: is your router running debian? |
| 13:26.51 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: nothing just blinking ! |
| 13:27.11 | tralala | apk, you ought to select your councillors more carefully |
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| 13:27.14 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: are you logged in? to console? or still stuck on tty7 |
| 13:27.22 | jetscreamer | (default X tty) |
| 13:27.29 | apk | tralala: And I have had people refer me to the X Window System Distater section of the UNIX Haters Handbook more than one time in explanation for my questions about issues involving X. Yes, I realize I am now overly critical of X. |
| 13:27.29 | asx | godog:no |
| 13:27.32 | bakle | sorry, i can, it is on the other system without any networking yet. |
| 13:27.32 | bakle | i can't |
| 13:27.35 | MANITOU | tty |
| 13:27.41 | asx | i want the broadcast address |
| 13:28.15 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: ctrl+alt+F2 and log in (unless you are already) get a prompt, cli |
| 13:28.46 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: can't ? |
| 13:29.07 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: black when ctrl+f2 |
| 13:29.13 | DawnLight | what do people use for backup? a live cd, right? |
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| 13:29.23 | stew | apk: so you can't use the selection, but you could use the clipboard? is that the situation you are in? |
| 13:29.30 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: ok then i think you should reboot and choose the grub entry that says 'single' on it |
| 13:29.41 | wols | apk: X _is_ old crud imho but it's vrey hard to replace |
| 13:29.46 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: ok |
| 13:29.51 | wols | big chicken egg problem |
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| 13:29.52 | tralala | apk, the unix haters book is a rant that can be read for fun but cannot be considered a serious information source |
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| 13:30.15 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: then you can disable kdm/gdm/xdm or whatever and figure it out |
| 13:30.22 | apk | stew: I guess my problem is that I don't know how to copy from an xterm into the X clipboard. |
| 13:30.22 | Joshua_33 | debian.org/doc has all the documentation, but nothing on debian-installer postist phase, at least not directly |
| 13:30.38 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: how ? |
| 13:30.41 | jetscreamer | apk: afaik you just highlight it and press mouse3 |
| 13:30.52 | petemc | DawnLight: that depends on a lot of things, i use dirvish which is rsync based |
| 13:30.55 | stew | apk: select the text, which will put it into the x selection, then run "xclip -o | xclip -i -selection c" which will copy the x selection to the x clipboard |
| 13:31.13 | jetscreamer | MANITOU: apt-get remove kdm or gdm or xdm would work, then you can reinstall it when you get xorg/kde working |
| 13:31.36 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: ok |
| 13:31.40 | apk | stew: So if I made a keyboard shortcut that did "xclip -o | xclip -i -selection c", it would be pretty easy, huh? |
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| 13:31.59 | stew | apk: yes, or you could just make a keyboard shortcut for xterm which would copy text into the clipboard |
| 13:32.10 | stew | apk: (which you would do via X resources) |
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| 13:32.54 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: i use wmaker ! |
| 13:33.04 | jetscreamer | thought you said kde |
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| 13:33.17 | MANITOU | jetscreamer: i use wmaker |
| 13:33.26 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about wmaker though.. maybe it has wdm then :) |
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| 13:34.10 | jetscreamer | that's not like VK darkstar it is |
| 13:34.52 | stew | apk: if you google for "xresources xterm clipboard" you'll probably find some stuff to put into .Xresources which will add the ability to xterm to alter the CLIPBOARD intsead of just PRIMARY |
| 13:35.00 | hark | itchi: i am going through the log.. let's see... |
| 13:35.14 | stew | apk: or you should just bug the authors of whatever java application you are using to fix their application to be aware of the x selection |
| 13:35.38 | kyaneos | wols: do i need to load the xorg drm module? |
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| 13:36.13 | Daisuke_ | Hi |
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| 13:36.39 | DawnLight | i have a system and users installed on one hd and i want to back it all up on another. before converting my religion to linux i used to do that with a ghost floppy and it was pretty simple. i've looked at the man dd and i don't understand much of it... is ddrescue simple like ghost? |
| 13:36.46 | apk | stew: Even if I get what I want into the X clipboard, the Java app doesn't take it. |
| 13:37.03 | apk | stew: So this is solidly not technically an X problem. |
| 13:37.24 | stew | apk: can you xclip -o > somefile ; then read somefile from you java program? |
| 13:37.52 | apk | stew: I could. But it would be easier to just do xterm->gvim->Javaapp like I do now. |
| 13:38.15 | Daisuke_ | i have a little question, im going to buy a new laptop, wich will have a 64 bits debian installed on it, and i want to know, what is, in general terms, a better proccesor for debian: core 2 duo, or Turion64 x2?? |
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| 13:38.25 | ooglaboogla | ok i got gnome running, when i click on the network admin icon under administration it says the password entered is invalid |
| 13:38.30 | ooglaboogla | without even asking for a password |
| 13:38.45 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gksu maybe ooglaboogla |
| 13:38.48 | wols | Daisuke_: doesn't matter |
| 13:39.09 | wols | Daisuke_: I'd go with intel tho (and my last intel cpu was a 486x2) |
| 13:39.16 | apk | Daisuke_: Just make sure you don't get an ATI video card. |
| 13:39.18 | Joshua_33 | ok, lets try something different: the debian-installer has a finish-install phase. What is the chroot for that part of installation? there is still a /target, or the chroot is already the installed system? |
| 13:39.22 | ooglaboogla | jetscreamer: says it already newet version |
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| 13:39.27 | jetscreamer | core2 duo's blow * away i heard |
| 13:39.29 | mcbane | hi |
| 13:39.55 | wols | jetscreamer: it's (slightly) different compared to desktops |
| 13:39.59 | wols | but yes, they're still better |
| 13:40.11 | jetscreamer | ooglaboogla: not sure then cept maybe it's not getting called via gksu. you could try sudo <programname> in an xterm |
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| 13:40.29 | Davo_Dinkum | !klash |
| 13:40.39 | Davo_Dinkum | Is there a bot in here? |
| 13:40.42 | TravellingSalesM | is there any way to increase the font size in xterm? |
| 13:40.46 | jetscreamer | no no bots |
| 13:40.50 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:41.10 | jetscreamer | hold down shift and rightclick the xterm windows |
| 13:41.18 | Daisuke_ | ok, thx everybody, see you |
| 13:41.23 | jetscreamer | sorry ctrl |
| 13:41.25 | jetscreamer | not shift |
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| 13:41.45 | mcbane | I want to connect to my debian server via XDMC. I am sitting in front of a Mac using X11.app as XServer. Everything works fine on other linux Servers (a Suse and a gentoo) but if i try to connect to the debian box I only get a screen with black and white squares. The kind you see shortly if you start gdm. Any idea, what I am doing wrong? |
| 13:41.54 | TravellingSalesM | jetscreamer: can i make it permanent? so each time i open xterm i don't have to do it manually |
| 13:41.55 | jetscreamer | !greet Cholito |
| 13:41.56 | dpkg | Hello, Cholito |
| 13:42.30 | jetscreamer | TravellingSalesM: yes, but i can't swear how.... in ~/.x(something) iirc |
| 13:42.32 | falap | hello, is it a common problem for Debian "etch" stable installation to stop at "retrieving file 81 of 81" when installing only the "standard system"? |
| 13:42.44 | ooglaboogla | ok even if i open a root terminal and type 'network-admin' it opens up the graphical app but pops up a entered invalid password on top of that then its all greyed out |
| 13:42.54 | jetscreamer | falap: i've seen that.. i just ctrl+c and do over |
| 13:43.01 | Cholito | jetscreamer, ;) hi there |
| 13:43.08 | falap | jetscreamer: thanks. |
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| 13:44.17 | jetscreamer | falap: ah it's installing.... uh. might not work |
| 13:44.22 | jetscreamer | ctrl+c i mean |
| 13:44.36 | ooglaboogla | what package provides network-admin maybe i can remove, reinstall it |
| 13:44.48 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search network-admin |
| 13:44.51 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
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| 13:44.51 | dpkg | apt-file is probably util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 13:46.48 | xnor | How do i (not optical) check if my motherboard have support for sata drives? |
| 13:46.48 | jetscreamer | falap: if it doesn't, iirc it will figure out that it's timed out, but takes a long time :/ |
| 13:46.48 | frank_b | is it possible to have windows vista, mac os x and linux at the same time (to choose is grub) in an i386 machine? |
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| 13:46.49 | jetscreamer | i can't swear about the mac stuff but yes |
| 13:46.49 | falap | jetscreamer: I left it alone for a night once and it didn't continue. |
| 13:46.49 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 13:46.55 | frank_b | jetscreamer, ok. thanks |
| 13:46.59 | hark | OS X no |
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| 13:47.25 | ooglaboogla | both apt-cache search and apt-file search show no result for network-admin |
| 13:47.28 | falap | jetscreamer: that time I was doing a netinst. now I'm installine from the full CD's. |
| 13:47.31 | ooglaboogla | what am i doing wrong here |
| 13:47.36 | frank_b | hark, not os x? |
| 13:47.47 | ottomatic | I would think that if it were possible it would be very tricky to get windows, linux, and OS X on the same box. |
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| 13:47.49 | Joshua_33 | nobody knows... :-/ |
| 13:48.25 | hark | frank_b: do you have a mac? |
| 13:48.41 | cydork | Joshua_33: you can check preseed too.. |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | !info network-manager |
| 13:48.49 | frank_b | hark, no, and intel x86 |
| 13:48.52 | dpkg | network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-7 (sid), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 580 kB |
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| 13:49.09 | jetscreamer | see also network-manager-gnome |
| 13:49.10 | str | Hi all! |
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| 13:49.12 | FuzzyB | Hi, i'm trying to setup a pair of bonded interfaces to auto setup on boot, all i see are examples of setting it up to take an ip. I am trying to not give it an ip as it will be part of a bridge. http://rafb.net/p/igqej171.html Is what i have so far in /etc/network/interfaces. It doesn't seem to be calling the ifenslave command on boot |
| 13:49.12 | str | In aptitude, how can I know wich repository does a package come form? |
| 13:49.14 | hark | frank_b: do you have the OS X cd? |
| 13:49.21 | FuzzyB | i do |
| 13:49.25 | FuzzyB | i'm on a macbook pro 17 |
| 13:49.26 | frank_b | hark, I can get one |
| 13:49.31 | FuzzyB | what do you need from it? |
| 13:49.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <packagename> will tell you str |
| 13:49.41 | frank_b | hark, and I know it is possible to install it on an i386 |
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| 13:49.52 | frank_b | hark, I have to go now |
| 13:49.53 | hark | oh, go ahead |
| 13:50.06 | frank_b | hark, I can talk yo you later |
| 13:50.18 | frank_b | hark, and say it I was successful |
| 13:50.25 | frank_b | bye all |
| 13:50.28 | hark | heh, oh yes |
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| 13:51.15 | frank_b | thank you all |
| 13:51.33 | justsomeguest | I am not sure if this is the right channel to ask but here's my question: I tried to debianize a package. It builds nicely with `fakeroot debian/rules binary'. Using dpkg-buildpackage I want it to create a diff.gz file to the original tarball. For some reason I do not understand it doesn't create that diff. The directory is named asterisk-addons-1.4.0 and the original tarball asterisk-addons-1.4.0.orig.tar.gz. |
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| 13:51.57 | str | jetscreamer: it only shows me deps, size.... but not which repository is providing that package |
| 13:52.04 | stew | justsomeguest: it should be asterisk-addons_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz not asterisk-addons-1.4.0.orig.tar.gz |
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| 13:52.11 | Lord_Devi | I've been trying to fix an issue with apache not being able to resolve my qualified domain name. (I am using No-Ip). Looking at 'hostname', it's not fully qualified, and 'hostname -f' is just localhost.. |
| 13:52.14 | justsomeguest | stew aahh thanks |
| 13:52.14 | jetscreamer | huh. mine does |
| 13:52.43 | Lord_Devi | this page i'm reading says to fix it, use "hostname yourqualifieddomainname.com", but that doesn't affect the output of 'hostname -f' from waht i understand.. that's the part that needs to be changed to fix the problem.. |
| 13:52.46 | hark | itchi: ok, the log looks good :) .. we'll need to do some other trobleshooting with glxinfo |
| 13:52.46 | MrWup | i dont have an etc/saslauthd.conf how on earth do i configure cyrus to use ldap |
| 13:53.03 | jetscreamer | oh no it doesn't it shows the maintainer, and all i have is marillat so i know.. sorry str |
| 13:53.15 | hark | !hostname |
| 13:53.16 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 13:53.49 | Omena- | would be nice to learn use emacs |
| 13:53.55 | Lord_Devi | hark: Ok. so change the fqdn with hosts, well I thought i've done that as well |
| 13:54.30 | stew | Omena-: i've been using it daily for 15 years and i'm still learning it more everyday :) |
| 13:54.34 | manience | had anyone ever problems with rustle sound under debian? |
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| 13:54.43 | Omena- | how do i start learning it |
| 13:55.05 | Lord_Devi | Hrm.. Don't want to paste anything lengthy, but i have "127.0.0.1 localhost xenodrome.hopto.org xenodrome" and it just accepts localhost only as the fqdn.. |
| 13:55.15 | Ronin | Omena-: you run it |
| 13:55.23 | Omena- | id like to get some nice configuration |
| 13:55.29 | stew | Omena-: C-h t |
| 13:55.33 | manience | i currently installed debian fresh and sucsessfully finished to install alsa, but the sound is very lazzy/rustly |
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| 13:55.43 | stew | Omena-: emacswiki.org is a great resource |
| 13:56.27 | Omena- | syntax hilight and autotab are the most needed things |
| 13:56.32 | Omena- | and fast navigating in text |
| 13:56.34 | stew | Omena-: and by "C-h t" i mean, start emacs, then type 'control-h' then 't' |
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| 13:57.03 | hark | itchi: see if glxinfo with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose says anything |
| 13:57.10 | falap | can I get any hints if I observe ALT+F4 after the installation system stops at "retrieving file 81 of 81" ? |
| 13:57.19 | ottomatic | how do I get the locale of my console? |
| 13:57.32 | stew | Omena-: put "(global-font-lock-mode 1)" into ~/.emacs for sytax hilighting, i don't know exactly what you mean by "autotab" |
| 13:57.56 | Omena- | stew you do { and it tabs next rows |
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| 13:58.45 | grumbel | weird little question: does one need a meta key these days? or is an alt-key enough? |
| 13:59.07 | stew | Omena-: you need to turn on some "electricity" somehow to get that, search emacswiki.org for "electric" |
| 13:59.25 | Omena- | i cannot even quit the damn thing now |
| 13:59.30 | Omena- | its stuck on tutorial |
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| 13:59.54 | kyaneos | hi |
| 14:00.14 | kyaneos | i cannot get dri on an intel i865 graphic card |
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| 14:00.16 | stew | Omena-: what do you want to edit? "C-x f" to edit a file |
| 14:00.20 | kyaneos | please, can someone help me? |
| 14:00.29 | ooglaboogla | ok i've installed network-manager and network-manager gnome and cant' find either of those to run |
| 14:00.45 | hark | ooglaboogla: nm-applet |
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| 14:01.05 | Omena- | im stuck on tutoril |
| 14:01.11 | Omena- | i need to close the program |
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| 14:01.19 | appelza | how do I use wget so it overwrites a file instead of adding a .1 ? |
| 14:01.19 | Ronin | Omena-: then #emacs perhaps as well |
| 14:01.20 | stew | Omena-: "C-x k" to kill the TUTORIAL buffer |
| 14:01.27 | hark | kyaneos: well, check the logs |
| 14:01.42 | Omena- | woohoo |
| 14:01.45 | Omena- | i quit it \o/ |
| 14:01.58 | stew | Omena-: but it sounds like maybe you should just be going through the tutorial, you can use the arrow keys to move around in the tutorial |
| 14:02.14 | Omena- | nah im not gonna use it |
| 14:02.19 | Omena- | it looks stupid |
| 14:02.23 | jetscreamer | kyaneos: http://www.google.com/linux?q=intel+i865+debian&restrict=linux |
| 14:02.29 | FuzzyB | use vim then |
| 14:02.34 | Omena- | yea just started it |
| 14:02.40 | kyaneos | jetscreamer: sorry, now it workd |
| 14:02.42 | kyaneos | jetscreamer: sorry, now it works |
| 14:02.47 | stew | Omena-: vimtutor is the vim tutorial |
| 14:02.50 | jetscreamer | damn i feel bad |
| 14:02.52 | jetscreamer | :0 |
| 14:03.13 | kyaneos | sorry, i have upgraded from stable |
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| 14:03.13 | kyaneos | and maybe there was some trouble with those packages |
| 14:03.21 | jetscreamer | nano>vi :o |
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| 14:03.28 | jetscreamer | !start an editor war |
| 14:03.29 | dpkg | joe bites |
| 14:03.35 | FuzzyB | nano is for the dogs |
| 14:03.38 | tosh| | anyone know how to mount a .dmg on loopback in debian? -t hfs and -t hfsplus is for oldskool macos apparantly |
| 14:03.46 | kyaneos | thank you very much jetscreamer hark |
| 14:03.51 | jetscreamer | try -t auto maybe |
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| 14:04.08 | ooglaboogla | is there any way to copy text from a window under to this console |
| 14:04.15 | ooglaboogla | sorry window in X |
| 14:04.26 | Omena- | cannot quit vim either |
| 14:04.31 | ooglaboogla | from X to the console |
| 14:04.34 | jetscreamer | :q ? |
| 14:04.35 | hark | heh |
| 14:04.38 | FuzzyB | tosh|: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/dmg.htm |
| 14:04.57 | Omena- | it keeps coming back |
| 14:05.03 | Ronin | Omena-: pick one and read the manual |
| 14:05.23 | Omena- | ill read tutorial |
| 14:05.58 | jetscreamer | mcedit! |
| 14:06.08 | jetscreamer | mclinux! |
| 14:06.09 | Omena- | lets see if i can find some videos from youtube |
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| 14:06.14 | Omena- | howto use emacs or vim |
| 14:06.18 | Ronin | *blink* |
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| 14:06.24 | FuzzyB | your kidding right? |
| 14:06.26 | hark | oh boy |
| 14:06.26 | xand | Omena-: run the commad. |
| 14:06.28 | xand | +n |
| 14:06.47 | jetscreamer | wants a tut i think |
| 14:07.00 | stew | he's been told about tutorials for each |
| 14:07.04 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:07.04 | Joshua_33 | anybody here can talk about the debian-custom? |
| 14:07.14 | Joshua_33 | simple-cdd, etc... |
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| 14:07.23 | jetscreamer | those posers in debian-boot no help eh |
| 14:07.31 | Joshua_33 | nope ;-) |
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| 14:07.46 | hatta | so I upgraded my stable box the other day |
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| 14:07.50 | hatta | now this happens: http://pastebin.ca/436386 |
| 14:07.55 | hatta | ?!?!?! |
| 14:08.04 | FuzzyB | !?!?!?! |
| 14:08.30 | Joshua_33 | trying to do the old and tricky way... but dont like it |
| 14:08.35 | hatta | I dunno, I'm used to things working |
| 14:08.44 | jetscreamer | hatta: try dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:08.46 | stew | hatta: do you realize that debian released a new stable on sunday? you are probably partially upgraded to the new one |
| 14:08.57 | hatta | no I didn't know |
| 14:08.58 | stew | hatta: try apt-get update ; apt-get -f install |
| 14:08.59 | tosh| | FuzzyB ok, AGAIN, that doesn't work |
| 14:09.07 | SlayerXP | hatta: /usr/local/lib is stuff _you_ installed. |
| 14:09.10 | jetscreamer | aptitude sidt-upgrade |
| 14:09.13 | jetscreamer | err |
| 14:09.15 | jetscreamer | dist |
| 14:09.23 | stew | hatta: if that works, then try following the upgrade procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg etch |
| 14:09.25 | hatta | SlayerXP, I didn't change anything |
| 14:09.27 | FuzzyB | tosh|: wanna just send the dmg to me and i'll tar it for ya? |
| 14:09.34 | SlayerXP | hatta: debian doesn't put anything in there, I'm guessing you've got a broken linker search path list |
| 14:09.36 | tosh| | FuzzyB its 2,5 gigs :) |
| 14:09.46 | SlayerXP | hatta: _someone_ put those there, debian didn't |
| 14:09.47 | FuzzyB | yeaaaaaa screw that |
| 14:09.49 | hatta | how would that have happened, I never touched it |
| 14:10.22 | jetscreamer | you didn't aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:10.23 | Joshua_33 | it can be that complicated... |
| 14:10.23 | hatta | I can't run either aptitude or apt-get |
| 14:10.28 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:10.34 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 14:10.36 | Ronin | hatta: why not? |
| 14:10.37 | jetscreamer | muhahahha |
| 14:10.41 | hatta | because I get that error |
| 14:10.41 | stew | hatta: move the stuff in /usr/local/lib out of the way and try again |
| 14:10.43 | atrus | hatta: mv /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib-broken |
| 14:10.52 | Joshua_33 | what is the path when the debian-install is in the finish-install phase? |
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| 14:11.04 | abrotman | path to .. what? |
| 14:11.05 | Joshua_33 | no info on google... |
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| 14:11.18 | hatta | hey that worked |
| 14:11.21 | atrus | hatta: you might need to remove more stuff in /usr/local if it stops debian from working |
| 14:11.39 | hatta | I wonder what was in /usr/local/lib that was broken |
| 14:11.40 | stew | hatta: now i'd recommend following the upgradce procedure in the release notes, starting with 4.4 |
| 14:11.41 | hatta | and how it got there |
| 14:11.42 | Joshua_33 | the debian-installer has the path /target to the new system when it is installing the system |
| 14:11.54 | jetscreamer | oh that path |
| 14:11.55 | atrus | hatta: now that might break things you've installed without apt, so you may need to reinstall some of them, or move them back from that lib-broken directory to /usr/local/lib. |
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| 14:12.03 | Joshua_33 | it uses the in-target method to install packages... |
| 14:12.13 | compDo | what packages do I need to install for Openoffice 2 on my Etch system? |
| 14:12.18 | hatta | why can't I just do apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:12.22 | stew | compDo: openoffice.org |
| 14:12.38 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search openoffice |
| 14:12.41 | atrus | hatta: you should be able to now |
| 14:12.50 | jetscreamer | or do we not have oo2 |
| 14:13.05 | hatta | I mean, why do I need a special keyword (dist-upgrade) to upgrade? |
| 14:13.15 | Joshua_33 | but in the debian-install finish-install phase, i dont know what is the path! it is not /target, or the /cdrom - and i do need to copy files from installation cdrom to the disk and execute some scripts when the installation is on this phase |
| 14:13.22 | jetscreamer | upgrade != dist-upgrade is why |
| 14:13.26 | hatta | from my end, as long as I'm tracking stable, every upgrade should look the same |
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| 14:13.36 | hark | hatta: because you're going from sarge to etch |
| 14:13.40 | stew | hatta: becuase some packages will need to be removed and some new ones need to be installed, neither of which plain "upgrade" is willing to do, but you should be running "upgrade" before "dist-upgrade" (as it says inthe RELEASE NOTES) |
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| 14:13.50 | atrus | dpkg: tell hatta about dist-upgrade |
| 14:13.52 | Joshua_33 | right? |
| 14:13.53 | hatta | right, but why do I need a special upgrade to do that? |
| 14:13.57 | jetscreamer | upgrade upgrades in-place packages.. dist-upgrade does what it takes to get you up2date... like remove something if it needs to |
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| 14:14.10 | stew | hatta: becuase some package names changed from sarge->etch |
| 14:14.15 | praecox | # ldconfig |
| 14:14.16 | praecox | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libc-client.so.2002edebian is not a symbolic link |
| 14:14.19 | hatta | right, but if I don't know there's a new release, I can break my system by doing an apt-get upgrade |
| 14:14.21 | praecox | what's wrong with this? |
| 14:14.24 | hatta | and that's just bad |
| 14:14.27 | praecox | indeed, it's not symbolic link. |
| 14:14.42 | hark | hmm, he probably has stable in his sources.. should go for the dist-upgrade directly |
| 14:14.48 | stew | hatta: this is why you should put a specific release name in sources.list instead of just "stable" since stable can change (as it did on sunday) |
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| 14:15.12 | atrus | hatta: it's because you have /etc/apt/sources.list set up to track stable, whatever that is. if you wanted to stick to the release, you should have had "sarge" in there instead of "etch" |
| 14:15.14 | stew | hatta: and no, "apt-get upgrade" shouldn't break stuff, it did in your case becuase you have stuff installed in /usr/local/ that apt can't know about |
| 14:15.16 | xNinja | hi |
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| 14:15.17 | compDo | stew: not the openoffice.org2 packages? |
| 14:15.20 | xNinja | i need help with thunderbird |
| 14:15.21 | jetscreamer | yeah it happens once every few years you better make sure |
| 14:15.25 | hatta | I would like to stick with stable always |
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| 14:15.33 | Joshua_33 | what do you need xNinja? |
| 14:15.43 | jetscreamer | hatta: put etch instead of stable |
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| 14:15.51 | stew | compDo: becuase no such package exists |
| 14:15.53 | atrus | hatta: you're on stable now, it's just alot different than the stable that was last week :) |
| 14:15.57 | jetscreamer | and that will hold you for a year or two |
| 14:16.10 | xNinja | Joshua_33 i want to download all my old/new/readed mails with thunderbird...on hotmail/gmail.../etc |
| 14:16.20 | hark | yeah, you don;t want to get upgraded to lenny in a year ha ;) |
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| 14:16.22 | jetscreamer | read |
| 14:16.32 | jetscreamer | (red) |
| 14:16.34 | hatta | I don't see why debian can't make the upgrade just work transparently, like every other upgrade |
| 14:16.35 | xNinja | but thunderbird is only trying to get the new mails only |
| 14:16.38 | hatta | that's why I use debian |
| 14:16.45 | hatta | cause I don't have to worry about upgrading it |
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| 14:17.00 | falap | I managed to install Debian by unticking all the options at the screen where you select what to install with Debian. |
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| 14:17.09 | stew | hatta: becuase it would be unsafe to let "upgrade" remove packages, which is necessary which switching from one release to another |
| 14:17.27 | Joshua_33 | this is a conf on your gmail account |
| 14:17.29 | hatta | it could throw a warning |
| 14:17.31 | Joshua_33 | not on thunderbird |
| 14:17.56 | xNinja | then how |
| 14:17.59 | hatta | if I try to apt-get upgrade when I should be apt-get dist-upgrade, it should tell me |
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| 14:18.05 | stew | hatta: it des, in the form of packages which are kept back |
| 14:18.09 | hatta | but I guess it's fixed |
| 14:18.14 | Joshua_33 | search for configurations on your gmail account - disponibilize all mail |
| 14:18.17 | hatta | so thanks |
| 14:18.29 | hatta | better do some work |
| 14:18.36 | stew | hatta: how would it know which you are trying to do? it tells you exactly what it is going to do before it does anything, its up to you know know what you want to do |
| 14:18.38 | xNinja | you mean mark as unreaded ? |
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| 14:18.49 | Joshua_33 | nope... |
| 14:18.59 | Joshua_33 | configurations -> somewhere -> get all mail |
| 14:19.07 | Joshua_33 | when you are configuring you pop account |
| 14:19.10 | Joshua_33 | on gmail |
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| 14:20.27 | hatta | stew, if I have stable in my sources.list and there's a new stable available, it should be able to figure out that I want to upgrade to the new stable |
| 14:20.31 | hatta | what else could I mean for it to do? |
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| 14:20.48 | hatta | isn't that the point of having a stable keywoard? |
| 14:20.50 | xand | if you don't run apt-get update it won't |
| 14:21.13 | hatta | I know that now, it should at least warn me that I could break my system by doing that |
| 14:21.20 | stew | hatta: in that case you shouldn't use "stable" but a specific release name. apt-get doesn't know that "stable" is supposed to mean anything special. think of the case of "testing" or "unstable" where large numbers of packages are changing daily |
| 14:22.00 | hatta | I use stable because I don't care what release I'm running, as long as its stable |
| 14:22.14 | hatta | if stable doesn't work, then debian should just get rid of it |
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| 14:22.19 | hatta | or make it work |
| 14:22.42 | hatta | as it is now, it just seems broken |
| 14:22.43 | stew | hatta: it broke becuase you had stuff installed in /usr/local/lib that it doesn't know about |
| 14:22.44 | Ronin | heh, hatta |
| 14:23.00 | stew | hatta: should debian prevent you from being able to install stuff into /usr/local ? |
| 14:23.18 | xNinja | Joshua_33 its working now thanks...what about hotmail ? |
| 14:23.30 | stew | hatta: do you have a proposal about how "apt-get upgrade" should be able to know that it will break becuase of stuff installed in /usr/local/ ? |
| 14:24.08 | stew | hatta: you'll notice that as soon as you remove /usr/local/lib, you no longer had a broken system |
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| 14:24.36 | Joshua_33 | have no idea for hotmail... sorry |
| 14:24.46 | xNinja | ok thanks anyway |
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| 14:25.19 | HuBBa | can i get linux-kbuild-2.6.20 somewhere as binary ? |
| 14:25.44 | hatta | no, but I do think apt could figure out when I need to do a dist-upgrade instead of an upgrade |
| 14:26.09 | stew | hatta: you didn't need to do a dist-upgrade, in fact it is recommended that you do an upgrade before you do a dist-upgrade |
| 14:26.44 | hatta | well ok then |
| 14:26.54 | rahul | hatta: it can figure that out, but you don't WANT it to just go around removing packages without you asking first. |
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| 14:27.14 | rahul | hatta: and aptitude is better at handling dependencies |
| 14:27.28 | mweichert | hi guys, I'm trying to preseed an install that has no network connection at the time of install. How do I tell d-i not to install components from a mirror? I keep getting the error "Bad archive mirror" as naturally, the computer cannot connect to the internet without a network connection |
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| 14:27.51 | stew | hatta: doing a dist-upgrade instead of an upgrade would have, in your case, probably broken MORE stuff |
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| 14:28.35 | stew | rahul: i was certainly not advocating apt-get over aptitude for sarge -> etch, just "aptitude upgrade" before "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 14:29.01 | rahul | stew: uhhuh. |
| 14:29.21 | praecox | what aptitude has that apt-get doesn't? |
| 14:29.36 | stew | praecox: better searching, much beter, more flexible dependency resolution |
| 14:29.41 | rahul | praecox: a UI, a good dependency analyzer, more options |
| 14:29.46 | hatta | thanks for the help guys, work calls |
| 14:30.06 | rahul | ability to specify package versions in a variety of ways |
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| 14:30.19 | stew | praecox: and since woody, it has been the only recommended way of moving from one release to another |
| 14:30.30 | jetscreamer | dselect > * for dependency resolution, you may argue if you wish, but will be incorrect. |
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| 14:31.15 | stew | jetscreamer: tell that to the release team then |
| 14:31.16 | jetscreamer | why |
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| 14:31.19 | jetscreamer | the stupid release team didn't fix a grave bug that afrfects my and others systems |
| 14:31.22 | stew | jetscreamer: becuase they are the ones that say to use aptitude in the release notes |
| 14:31.23 | jetscreamer | affects |
| 14:31.32 | stew | jetscreamer: which grave bug? |
| 14:31.35 | abhi | does deb-4 have a 3d desktop? |
| 14:31.37 | jetscreamer | hang on one sec |
| 14:31.45 | v3nkat3sh | can someone tell me the package names for gdb's info pages on etch? |
| 14:31.47 | Math^ | hello, i just installed debian etch, but i could not install grub/lilo... so I needed to finish the install without it. but now i cant startup debian |
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| 14:32.01 | Math^ | how to fix this? |
| 14:32.01 | keith80403 | hark, FYI - After the xserver-xorg problem was solved yesterday, you asked what driver I ended up using on the new Etch install - I used the ATI driver. |
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| 14:32.14 | zanpakuto | what is the difference between zip -dc file | tar xpf - and tar xzpf fiile? |
| 14:32.15 | stew | v3nkat3sh: gdb-doc |
| 14:32.25 | stew | v3nkat3sh: it is in non-free |
| 14:32.26 | zanpakuto | file |
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| 14:32.34 | jetscreamer | stew: first one http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 14:32.51 | v3nkat3sh | stew: ahh, i was looking for it all over the place.. thanks |
| 14:33.11 | wols | zanpakuto: different packing algorithm. zip != gzip |
| 14:33.19 | stew | jetscreamer: can you be more specific? |
| 14:33.28 | hark | keith80403: cool, thanks :) |
| 14:33.39 | jetscreamer | how tf does one get more specific that 'the first one' |
| 14:33.49 | Math^ | anyone...? |
| 14:33.51 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot |
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| 14:33.56 | jetscreamer | s/that/than/ |
| 14:34.10 | falap | now I can't boot into Debian. Grub comes up with Error 21. |
| 14:34.12 | zanpakuto | wols, opps i meant gzip |
| 14:34.15 | keith80403 | hark, Sure, thanks again. |
| 14:34.16 | jetscreamer | may? try 'do' |
| 14:34.17 | zanpakuto | what is the difference between gzip -dc file | tar xpf - and tar xzpf fiile? |
| 14:34.20 | stew | jetscreamer: why would you classify that as grave? |
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| 14:34.39 | abhi | does deb-4 have a 3d desktop? |
| 14:34.44 | stew | jetscreamer: and what does that have to do with dselect vs. aptitude? |
| 14:34.50 | jetscreamer | stew: gee i dunno, because it breaks your box and it doesn't boot, you get kernel panic? |
| 14:35.10 | jetscreamer | stew: we got off of the dselect vs aptitude discussion if you remember |
| 14:35.11 | hark | abhi: it has compiz.. |
| 14:35.16 | stew | jetscreamer: no, i don't |
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| 14:35.36 | abhi | hark: does it installed by default or not? |
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| 14:35.41 | Homer_S | for have testing now, i have to download etch and dist-upgrade with testing repos ? |
| 14:35.44 | jetscreamer | ah sorry i thought you were following... you're busy |
| 14:36.04 | jetscreamer | Homer_S: not etch, lenny now. |
| 14:36.05 | keith80403 | zanpakuto, gzip -dc file ..... At first glance, nothing. |
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| 14:36.30 | Homer_S | jetscreamer, but the weekly iso for testing is from march 17 :/ |
| 14:36.34 | hark | no, but it's simple enough if yor card supports composite, aiglx.. /msg dpkg compiz .. and read the Debian wiki entry on it |
| 14:36.50 | hark | abhi: ^ |
| 14:36.59 | stew | jetscreamer: and this makes the debian-installer unusable? |
| 14:37.02 | jetscreamer | Homer_S: i was just mentioning that it's lenny |
| 14:37.10 | Homer_S | :O |
| 14:37.35 | jetscreamer | stew: no this is why i wouldn't bother trying to explain that dselect does dependency handling better than aptitude |
| 14:37.51 | stew | 09:35 < jetscreamer> stew: we got off of the dselect vs aptitude discussion if you remember |
| 14:38.00 | Homer_S | so, i download the weekly build from march 17 and i'll have lenny ? ;P |
| 14:38.09 | stew | 09:35 < jetscreamer> ah sorry i thought you were following... you're busy |
| 14:38.11 | jetscreamer | stew: the errata error thing makes it unusable, yes |
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| 14:38.20 | jetscreamer | you're still not keeping up dude |
| 14:38.21 | hark | Homer_S: nope |
| 14:38.22 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 14:38.35 | stew | jetscreamer: the debian-installer is usable |
| 14:38.40 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 14:38.58 | jetscreamer | as long as you don't have > one hd controller |
| 14:38.58 | wols | Homer_S: afaik there is no ISO for lenny yet |
| 14:38.58 | Homer_S | hark, so can i have new testing release ? |
| 14:38.58 | Homer_S | xD |
| 14:38.58 | Homer_S | ;_; |
| 14:38.58 | stew | jetscreamer: that makes the bug maybe important but not grave |
| 14:39.07 | wols | Homer_S: of course you can |
| 14:39.09 | jetscreamer | Homer_S: you can tell the installer to use testing sources though |
| 14:39.14 | stew | jetscreamer: or a bootable cd |
| 14:39.33 | Homer_S | i will make a dist upgrade ;P |
| 14:40.04 | jetscreamer | stew: i would call that grave. doesn't work. borks out. fuxors up. |
| 14:40.12 | jetscreamer | but that's just me |
| 14:40.24 | Joshua_33 | folks, what is the correct debian-custom irc channel? |
| 14:40.34 | jetscreamer | oh and that's after they had a year to fix it |
| 14:40.42 | Joshua_33 | just a /join #debian-custom? |
| 14:40.45 | jetscreamer | a Year |
| 14:40.46 | stew | jetscreamer: important - a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone. |
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| 14:41.11 | jetscreamer | yeh |
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| 14:41.54 | jetscreamer | hey next time they can let other stuff break and just mark it wishlist |
| 14:41.59 | jetscreamer | works for me |
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| 14:42.32 | jetscreamer | i smell politics |
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| 14:43.43 | Joshua_33 | roger that |
| 14:44.16 | Joshua_33 | nobody there... :-/ |
| 14:44.56 | stew | Joshua_33: try irc.debian.org |
| 14:45.40 | Joshua_33 | I am on irc.debian.org |
| 14:45.49 | Joshua_33 | just joined debian from irc.debian.org |
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| 14:45.57 | Joshua_33 | via freenode south america |
| 14:46.12 | stew | Joshua_33: irc.debian.org is oftc, not freenode |
| 14:46.16 | stew | Joshua_33: #debian-custom 12 Developers of the Custom Debian Distributions |
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| 14:46.30 | Joshua_33 | on oftc?? |
| 14:46.44 | stew | Joshua_33: yes, /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 14:47.16 | rahul | Joshua_33: this is not connected to irc.debian.org |
| 14:47.37 | Joshua_33 | omg, sorry, very sorry |
| 14:48.34 | Ronin | not a big deal Joshua_33 , it happens |
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| 14:49.24 | Fuwex | hey guys |
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| 14:49.52 | box | hi guys, ive just upgraded XFree86 to xorg, Now the X server wont start. Can anyone help? |
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| 14:50.22 | Ronin | box: errors/messages? |
| 14:50.34 | box | 2 secs i will paste |
| 14:50.41 | box | in here or another chan to paste> |
| 14:50.46 | box | #flood yeah? |
| 14:50.49 | tarzeau | %%C3 |
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| 14:52.19 | bakle | a new system i set up takes a long time "Uncompressing Linux..." during boot-up. Why is this so? |
| 14:52.19 | box | failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLCore.so |
| 14:52.40 | box | failed to load module glcore loader failed, 7 |
| 14:52.53 | box | failed to load module, speedo (Does not exist) |
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| 14:53.04 | box | aiglx screen 0 is not compatible |
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| 14:53.20 | box | fatal io error 104 |
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| 14:53.34 | box | any idea ronin? |
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| 14:55.01 | box | Ronin? |
| 14:55.22 | Ronin | !tell box about drxx |
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| 14:55.52 | jelly | is there a cp command with progress meter of some sort? |
| 14:56.18 | jef` | could try cp -v |
| 14:56.34 | jelly | -v shows file name only |
| 14:57.23 | jelly | I'm sometimes copying large files over slow connections (that nevertheless appear as local files) |
| 14:57.23 | jef` | you mean for like 1 huge file? |
| 14:57.24 | ste_p_james | jelly: try scp --progress |
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| 14:58.02 | box | ty |
| 14:58.02 | jelly | ste_p_james: shows nothing for local files :-| |
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| 14:58.16 | Ronin | see if that helps any box |
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| 14:58.43 | jelly | rsync -P is da shizzle |
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| 14:59.16 | jetscreamer | stew: but that's just why i wouldn't bother telling. now let's digress: :) |
| 14:59.41 | stew | sure :) |
| 15:00.02 | jetscreamer | lots of mb's have sata/pata cotrollers onboard nowadays. they just lucked out that most ppl don't actually hook drives up to both (imo) |
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| 15:00.39 | stew | jetscreamer: hopefully they'll be switching to just using LABELs and avoid the problem |
| 15:00.48 | bakle | no one has any idea about my problem? |
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| 15:01.11 | jetscreamer | stew: or whatever, yeah. |
| 15:01.15 | jetscreamer | uuid... |
| 15:01.28 | jetscreamer | label sounds less klunky though |
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| 15:02.15 | stew | !tell narcotic about root |
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| 15:02.56 | jetscreamer | or a little more portable, rather |
| 15:03.08 | Jampiter | #flood |
| 15:03.11 | Jampiter | Whoops |
| 15:03.19 | Ronin | bakle: you didnt really tell us anything |
| 15:03.21 | Sakunix | Hi people, got a 3.1r4 install up, is there a way to get back to the screen that you are presented with as you do the install to choose to install a web server, mail server, file server etc...? |
| 15:03.31 | jetscreamer | heh him want tasksel |
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| 15:03.49 | jetscreamer | Sakunix: that's called tasksel |
| 15:03.49 | narcotic | thanx i forgot i was in the screen |
| 15:03.53 | bakle | Ronin: a new system i set up takes a long time "Uncompressing Linux..." during boot-up. Why is this so? |
| 15:04.01 | Sakunix | jetscreamer: Thanks mate |
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| 15:04.20 | jetscreamer | !tasksel |
| 15:04.20 | dpkg | methinks tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 15:04.35 | jetscreamer | omg i did not make that factoid |
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| 15:04.43 | jetscreamer | !factinfo tasksel |
| 15:04.43 | dpkg | tasksel -- created by ljlane <ljlane@aphrael.net> at Sat May 25 17:49:07 2002 (1782 days); it has been requested 53 times, last by jetscreamer, 23s ago. |
| 15:05.00 | garo | I'm running stable (etch) and i want to have 1 package of unstable, in the past I used backports but now i can only find "sarge-backports" on www.backports.org. Should I use this and change 'sarge' to 'etch' in my sources.list when it becomes available or can i find the etch backports on a other site ? |
| 15:05.25 | garo | (The package I want is 'php-image-graph') |
| 15:05.33 | Jampiter | Hi also, I'd like to use Debian, but as I don't have much space on my HD for an install. However, I have a large external U SB 2 HD, with plenty of space. Is it possible to install Debian on that, run it off that and use it like a full system? Thanks :) |
| 15:05.48 | Jampiter | I'm planning to use the Win32 installer |
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| 15:05.56 | xand | Jampiter: yes, assuming your machine can boot from it |
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| 15:06.16 | xand | and it works like a normal USB mass storage device |
| 15:06.20 | Jampiter | It can. how do I do it with the text-mode Debian installer disk? |
| 15:06.35 | fwtest | hello, i am trying to install ftp reverse proxy, which package would you recommend me? |
| 15:07.17 | xand | you'll get asked which disk/partition to use... you need to pick that one (e.g. /dev/sda) |
| 15:07.17 | jetscreamer | 1 |
| 15:07.17 | Jampiter | I need to be sure I don't put it on the wrong disk :) |
| 15:07.21 | Jampiter | Ok, i'll try partitioning my external HD |
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| 15:07.53 | Jampiter | Anyone know any free programs i can do that with..? (With data on the disk) |
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| 15:08.28 | Ronin | !vagueness |
| 15:08.28 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 15:08.31 | tarzeau | can someone repackage this rar file as tar.gz? http://downloads.sourceforge.net/annchienta/ann_src_full.rar?modtime=1165668014&big_mirror=0 |
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| 15:08.40 | Ronin | bakle: looked in log files? |
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| 15:09.14 | narcotic | where can i find documentation for mdadm ? i can't seem to find it on google |
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| 15:09.55 | gRaCiOsO | how many cds are of debian 4.0 ? |
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| 15:10.09 | bakle | Ronin: i think the reason is that i am taking the hd over fr another box. |
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| 15:12.15 | mweichert_ | can debian be installed without an internet connection?? |
| 15:12.29 | Jampiter | If you have a CD |
| 15:12.35 | Jampiter | I think so |
| 15:12.47 | Jampiter | Hmm.. |
| 15:12.51 | Jampiter | Question: |
| 15:13.01 | Ronin | mweichert_: yes if you have at least the full cd 1 |
| 15:13.07 | tarzeau | griffbrad: about 21 |
| 15:13.21 | Jampiter | Is there a way to install Debian to a D VD-RW and use it like a normal Debian system? |
| 15:13.30 | griffbrad | tarzeau: Huh? |
| 15:13.35 | mweichert_ | Ronin: I do, but I get the error "bad archive mirror" because it is trying to connect to the internet |
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| 15:13.45 | tarzeau | gRaCiOsO: 21 |
| 15:13.52 | tarzeau | griffbrad: sorry, bad nick completion |
| 15:13.58 | Jampiter | Wait, make that a DVD+RW |
| 15:14.05 | Ronin | mweichert_: you pick something to install not on the cd? |
| 15:14.07 | jetscreamer | Jampiter: they call those 'live cd's' or 'live dvd' |
| 15:14.18 | Jampiter | I know about those :p |
| 15:14.19 | mweichert_ | Ronin: nope |
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| 15:14.33 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 15:14.33 | dpkg | i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 15:14.39 | gRaCiOsO | tarzeau, hmm doesnt exist a way to be less cds i wanna put a debian server at my office or what do u recommend me? |
| 15:14.45 | mweichert_ | Ronin: I'm just preseeding an install, but get stuck when selecting a mirror |
| 15:14.45 | Jampiter | If it's a RW disk, then would it save changes like on a normal install? |
| 15:14.45 | Ronin | mweichert_: check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:14.47 | jetscreamer | try those links Jampiter |
| 15:14.48 | tarzeau | gRaCiOsO: 3 dvd? |
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| 15:14.58 | tarzeau | gRaCiOsO: or make a mirror? put all onto a harddisk? |
| 15:15.02 | Jampiter | Thanks jetscreamer :D |
| 15:15.12 | jetscreamer | no it 'probably' wouldn't save changes like that btw |
| 15:15.23 | tarzeau | mweichert_: hey, i'd love a copy of your preseed file |
| 15:15.23 | jetscreamer | least i have yet to see one that does |
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| 15:15.32 | tarzeau | mweichert_: once it works completely non-interactive :) |
| 15:15.52 | Jampiter | Live USBs can do that, but I only have a 1GB USB stick |
| 15:16.06 | mweichert_ | tarzeau: you're welcome to it if I get things working |
| 15:16.14 | tarzeau | Jampiter: my usb stick is 64 mb, that's 0.064 GB |
| 15:16.24 | jetscreamer | yeh but that's a lil different |
| 15:16.37 | tarzeau | mweichert_: where can i find it, is it online, or will you send me an email? sengun@phys.ethz.ch |
| 15:16.54 | Jampiter | There's only a handful of distros >64MB, most without X11 |
| 15:17.05 | Jampiter | :/ |
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| 15:17.20 | tarzeau | Jampiter: damnsmalllinux has x, and is very small |
| 15:17.20 | mweichert_ | I can send you an e-mail. I'm using ubuntu, but that shouldn't make a difference you just might have to change the tasksel option |
| 15:17.34 | Jampiter | That's one with X :p |
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| 15:17.58 | mweichert_ | is there any way to tell d-i NOT to use a mirror? |
| 15:18.04 | jetscreamer | you mean <64 i suspect |
| 15:18.10 | mweichert_ | which d-i question should I look at? |
| 15:18.13 | Jampiter | It's possible |
| 15:18.18 | jetscreamer | install from full cd, mweichert_ ? |
| 15:18.23 | chowells | It seems that Debian 4.0 starts automount before NIS; this is a problem because we get the automount maps from NIS. Is there a way to make automount start after ypbind? |
| 15:18.24 | tarzeau | mweichert_: yes please send me the mail, thank you |
| 15:19.11 | mweichert_ | jetscreamer: yes |
| 15:19.55 | asddsa | hey, you know if buffalo g54 usb is compatible with linux |
| 15:20.46 | asddsa | hey, you know if buffalo g54 usb is compatible with linux |
| 15:21.25 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ping |
| 15:21.26 | peterS | SerajewelKS: pong (automated, see http://err.no/personal/blog/2006/Oct/10) |
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| 15:22.15 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 15:22.17 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 15:23.02 | Lord_Devi | I've just setup apache2 w/ ssl and I wish to confirm the ssl is working properly. I tried connecting with https:// and i got the same "It works!" msg as i get from just http:// Does that mean ssl is functioning properly? |
| 15:23.08 | garo | How can i run packages from unstable on etch (I need php-image-graph) |
| 15:23.49 | fengor | most browsers have a little icon that indicates if there is a secure connection or not |
| 15:23.50 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 15:23.50 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 15:23.52 | SerajewelKS | peterS: one login to the ftp server so far |
| 15:23.59 | tarzeau | fengor: you can also just look if the url says http or https |
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| 15:25.37 | garo | tarzeau: but i see that backports.org only has 'sarge-backports' not 'etch-backports', will this work ? |
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| 15:26.04 | tarzeau | garo: read the simple sid backport, "if it hasn't" |
| 15:26.16 | asddsa | hey, you know if WLI-U2-KG54-AI is compatible with linux |
| 15:26.16 | asddsa | ? |
| 15:26.27 | tarzeau | asddsa: try asking google groups? |
| 15:26.40 | asddsa | joas |
| 15:26.45 | asddsa | ok, thanks. |
| 15:26.46 | asddsa | :) |
| 15:26.50 | garo | 'k, thanks. If it doesn't work I'll resume my whining ;) |
| 15:26.59 | tarzeau | garo: good luck |
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| 15:30.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how do I know if some driver is included on my kernel? |
| 15:30.45 | markybob | you look for the module that controls it in /lib/modules/`uname pr` |
| 15:30.53 | Insolit | is any part of /usr/src required to boot? |
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| 15:31.06 | markybob | Insolit: no |
| 15:31.34 | Insolit | thanks markybob |
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| 15:33.19 | Insolit | markybob: could you tell me another directories under /usr that are useless for boot process? |
| 15:33.35 | markybob | Insolit: /usr isnt useless. /usr/src is |
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| 15:34.11 | markybob | Insolit: and /usr/games /usr/lost+found and /usr/X11R6 if you dont use X at boot |
| 15:34.19 | Insolit | markybob: i asked if you could tell me what other folders inside /usr are not vital to boot proces |
| 15:34.24 | Insolit | ok markybob |
| 15:34.26 | Insolit | thanks a lot |
| 15:34.29 | markybob | np |
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| 15:34.49 | Insolit | need more |
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| 15:35.06 | Insolit | /usr/include? |
| 15:35.11 | Insolit | is it vital? |
| 15:35.15 | markybob | yes |
| 15:35.37 | Insolit | this won't be easy |
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| 15:36.00 | repyskichboarder | Hello, I'm trying to install gdm (this is my first time whit linux) after the login I see a shell in left-top of the screen and the background is cyan and my mouse doesen't move |
| 15:36.06 | repyskichboarder | I'm on a laptop |
| 15:36.14 | abrotman | but X starts ? |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: which version of debian ? |
| 15:36.32 | repyskichboarder | where I have make a mistake? |
| 15:36.33 | abrotman | and which device did you tell X to use for your mouse ? |
| 15:36.36 | repyskichboarder | I use xorg |
| 15:36.43 | repyskichboarder | etch |
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| 15:36.48 | repyskichboarder | ps/2 |
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| 15:36.49 | Insolit | markybob: /usr/share/ are there any vital programs in here? |
| 15:37.07 | repyskichboarder | Shoul I reconfigure xorg? |
| 15:37.09 | markybob | Insolit: yes. |
| 15:37.10 | haxality | hello, I added the entry to use a synaptics touchpad driver in my xorg.conf and I installed the driver, but I still can't scroll with my laptop touchpad |
| 15:37.11 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. tell it to use /dev/input/mice |
| 15:37.14 | repyskichboarder | (sorry for my english) |
| 15:37.18 | repyskichboarder | Ok |
| 15:37.23 | repyskichboarder | Thanks all |
| 15:37.33 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: if you prefer help in your native language .. we have many channels for that |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | (depending what that language is) |
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| 15:38.00 | repyskichboarder | Np |
| 15:38.05 | repyskichboarder | however I'm italian |
| 15:38.07 | abrotman | !it |
| 15:38.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | see how easy that was :) |
| 15:38.17 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: but your english isn't that bad |
| 15:38.22 | abrotman | or rather .. not really bad at all |
| 15:38.23 | hh | hi all |
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| 15:39.30 | hh | i need some help like vedio tutorials to learn debian |
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| 15:40.15 | haxality | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 15:40.57 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: mouse protocol ImPS/2 is right? |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | possibly .. hard to say with a laptop |
| 15:41.39 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 15:41.39 | abrotman | but it's a good place to start |
| 15:41.45 | repyskichboarder | eheh |
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| 15:41.54 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:42.19 | abrotman | but the psmouse module isn't compiled in anymore ? |
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| 15:42.28 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 15:42.29 | dpkg | synaptics is, like, a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 15:42.34 | abrotman | haxality: that last URL might help a bit |
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| 15:43.13 | wad | Wow, not many changes to etch. apt-get update then upgrade hasn't given me updates. I would have thought there would be a few by now. |
| 15:43.33 | markybob | it's called stable for a reason |
| 15:43.36 | cydork | wad: coz it's stable now? |
| 15:44.03 | wad | That's a good thing. :) |
| 15:44.03 | haxality | ahhh thank you! |
| 15:44.23 | xand | wad: stable doesnt change except for security updates |
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| 15:44.30 | smacnay | if hotplug and discover leave behind config files and such from an etch install, will update-initramfs find them and use them in an update? |
| 15:44.50 | stickybit` | !modprobe |
| 15:44.50 | CharminTheMoose | ping.. |
| 15:44.50 | dpkg | modprobe is, like, something you use to install modules with it |
| 15:45.07 | wad | Reliability and ease of maintenance is more important than features for me. That's why I use debian. |
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| 15:45.40 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: it doesen't work :( neither whit explorer |
| 15:45.52 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: modprobe psmouse and try again |
| 15:46.25 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: shoud I reebot after changes? |
| 15:46.43 | abrotman | you should restart X |
| 15:47.05 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: ops |
| 15:47.15 | MrWup | anyone got testsaslauthd to work with ldap and active directory? every time i try, i just get auth failed error with reason unknown, and nothing shows up on the win2k3 event log |
| 15:47.15 | repyskichboarder | Whic is the command? |
| 15:47.41 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 .. log in as root and /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 15:47.44 | repyskichboarder | ./etc/X11/xorg.conf restart? |
| 15:47.47 | repyskichboarder | Ops |
| 15:47.48 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 15:48.02 | ottomatic | CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE restarts X also. |
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| 15:48.40 | abrotman | ottomatic: it crashes it |
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| 15:49.07 | ottomatic | It's starts back up doesn't it? |
| 15:49.38 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 15:49.45 | repyskichboarder | it can't start |
| 15:49.55 | repyskichboarder | I have to install synaptics driver |
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| 15:49.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:50.00 | repyskichboarder | is it right? |
| 15:50.02 | repyskichboarder | ok |
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| 15:50.11 | abrotman | should work without it |
| 15:50.51 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: Fatal error failed to initialize core device |
| 15:51.01 | repyskichboarder | No core pointer |
| 15:51.52 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: how can I install the driver if I need it? |
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| 15:52.39 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: can you paste your whole X log somehow ? |
| 15:52.44 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 15:52.45 | dpkg | hmm... pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 15:52.55 | abrotman | the file we want is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:53.17 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: courrently I'm writing from a desktop running windows |
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| 15:56.03 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: I'll post it in ten minutes, will you be there? |
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| 15:57.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is there another utility for irDA sending/receiving files beside obex utilities? |
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| 16:01.15 | exs | is msn network down? |
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| 16:04.52 | HuBBa | is there someway to install linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 ? |
| 16:05.15 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: maybe . it's lunch time here .. but lots of other people can help here |
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| 16:05.39 | militant | rebooted and instead of gdm i get xdm, and gnome instead of e. what gives, wehre do i correct that? (i don't use x much beyond browsing/im) |
| 16:05.51 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 16:06.04 | repyskichboarder | I'm posting however |
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| 16:06.37 | suppaman | hello |
| 16:06.39 | militant | err |
| 16:06.40 | militant | nvm |
| 16:06.41 | militant | i'm stupid |
| 16:07.49 | suppaman | I'm back again with my ssh problem, server is a debian testing, client is whatever |
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| 16:08.18 | suppaman | I cannot get public key authentication and every ssh session falls back to interactive keyboard and that's boring |
| 16:08.28 | stew | suppaman: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 16:09.00 | stew | suppaman: most of the time that is a permissions problem. your home directory should not be world writable, .ssh should be chmod 700 and authorized_keys should be chmod .600 |
| 16:09.39 | suppaman | stew: it used to work fine until I updated something |
| 16:09.46 | suppaman | on server I mean |
| 16:10.37 | stew | suppaman: running sshd in debug more like the factoid says should tell you |
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| 16:11.34 | suppaman | just done |
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| 16:11.38 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/tthjYs35.html |
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| 16:12.43 | linux3 | anyone here know how i can add my usb cell phone as a ttyACM0 device |
| 16:12.48 | linux3 | cdc_acm should |
| 16:12.52 | suppaman | suppa@bardeau:/home$ ls -l /home/ |
| 16:12.52 | linux3 | but it doesn't appear to find the device |
| 16:12.52 | suppaman | drwx---rwx 33 suppa suppa 4096 Apr 10 12:04 suppa |
| 16:13.02 | suppaman | could permissions be the issue ? |
| 16:13.18 | xand | yes, they are wrong |
| 16:13.23 | xand | chmod o-w ~ |
| 16:13.47 | fluxdude3 | I noticed that the debian hardened project is over 2 years old now on sourceforge last time I checked |
| 16:14.05 | fluxdude3 | does this mean that I should use hardened gentoo or some other hardened compiled distro? |
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| 16:14.35 | fluxdude3 | this is for hardened frontline servers of course |
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| 16:15.19 | sohmestra | fluxdude3: is this what you want? apt-cache search harden |
| 16:15.27 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/436551 |
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| 16:16.25 | suppaman | linux3: what's ttyACM0 for ? acting like modem ? |
| 16:16.38 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: is the psmouse module loaded ? |
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| 16:16.53 | repyskichboarder | uh I don't know |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | lsmod | grep mouse |
| 16:17.13 | repyskichboarder | wait a second |
| 16:17.18 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: do you need other information? |
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| 16:17.35 | stew | suppaman: the client didn't attempt key based auth, try "ssh -v" from the client side |
| 16:17.43 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: just that for the moment |
| 16:17.50 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 16:17.53 | repyskichboarder | wait a second |
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| 16:18.04 | repyskichboarder | I switch off windows and start linux |
| 16:18.10 | garo | I have some packages on my system that I don't need anymore (installed by 'apt-get build-dep'), how do i automaticly remove them ? |
| 16:18.12 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: ah .. okay .. i gotta go get food ... |
| 16:18.24 | anabain | hi, is there any apt-get install order that allows reinstalling *all currentlu installed* packages? I've deleted by error some dirs from /usr/share/ |
| 16:18.34 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: make sure that module is loaded .. and if it isn't .. ask someone here how to load it and put it in your /etc/modules file .. got it ? |
| 16:18.34 | repyskichboarder | ok |
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| 16:18.47 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: i'll be back in a bit if you care to wait |
| 16:18.50 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: after eating will you be there? |
| 16:18.51 | repyskichboarder | a ok |
| 16:18.56 | abrotman | yep ... |
| 16:19.00 | mcbane | abrotman: should i lend you my spear? |
| 16:19.03 | repyskichboarder | thanks abrotman :D |
| 16:19.04 | abrotman | no |
| 16:19.39 | anabain | or perhaps any dpkg order? |
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| 16:20.03 | anabain | excuse me: order/command |
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| 16:20.14 | fluxdude3 | sohmestra: yes I see the packages that give you hardened toolchain etc but you can't apt-get the whole system to be hardened binaries, right? |
| 16:20.15 | stew | anabain: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 16:20.31 | fluxdude3 | it's mainly for adding security programs, integrity checkers etc, right? |
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| 16:22.13 | deeperror | anyone around that could assist with some etch q's? |
| 16:22.24 | Ronin | deeperror: only if you ask them |
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| 16:22.40 | deeperror | aptitude sources.list |
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| 16:24.05 | suppaman | damn |
| 16:24.06 | deeperror | maybe point me in the right direction to add some good mirrors on there ? |
| 16:24.06 | suppaman | stew: it's working |
| 16:24.06 | markybob | !mirrors |
| 16:24.06 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 16:24.06 | deeperror | i'm not able to find some packages |
| 16:24.06 | deeperror | hahaha |
| 16:24.06 | deeperror | sweet |
| 16:24.07 | suppaman | stew: I chmod'ed every file to rw------- and created a new rsa key, copied it to authorized_keys and the lil bast is working now |
| 16:24.07 | suppaman | thnaks |
| 16:24.07 | suppaman | thanks |
| 16:24.24 | suppaman | btw I had done this a few times before too but it was not working |
| 16:24.41 | stew | suppaman: btw, ssh-copy-id from the client side will setup the server side for you |
| 16:24.54 | suppaman | stew: thanks again then |
| 16:25.05 | suppaman | I'm really not into the ssh thing, it's just a tool to me |
| 16:25.43 | militant | ok. i'm really lost. i dunno wth i did, but gdm won't go at boot (i don't want it to but it's set to and is erring) and xdm is trying to fire up when i startx, and i'm getting gnome not e. *grumble* |
| 16:26.02 | suppaman | militant: remove them from the runlevel |
| 16:26.05 | sohmestra | fluxdude3: no. debian is not a specialized distribution. perhaps you should be looking at adamantix (http://www.adamantix.org/) |
| 16:26.44 | deeperror | so..with regards to apt will some packages just not be available for a while on etch? |
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| 16:26.50 | suppaman | militant: you can obviously fix your startx/xinitrc script to load whatever you want, not gnome |
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| 16:27.45 | stew | deeperror: the packagelist for etch is not going to change now that it has been released, what pacakge are you looking for |
| 16:27.56 | suppaman | bye |
| 16:27.59 | suppaman | have to go |
| 16:28.01 | suppaman | stew: thanks |
| 16:28.05 | garo | Does debian remember which packages are installed because the user asked for it and which are installed because they are a dep ? |
| 16:28.13 | deeperror | nmap |
| 16:28.16 | deeperror | for starters |
| 16:28.20 | stew | garo: if you use aptitude, yes, otherwise, no |
| 16:28.22 | deeperror | i'm sure there will be more just found that odd |
| 16:28.27 | stew | !info nmap etch |
| 16:28.37 | stew | deeperror: that should be on any etch mirror |
| 16:28.38 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 4.11-1 (etch), Packaged size: 718 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
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| 16:29.00 | stew | deeperror: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nmap" into a pastebin |
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| 16:29.10 | garo | And is it possible to tell debian 'remove all dependencies of packages that i removed' ? |
| 16:29.36 | sepski | !deborphan |
| 16:29.37 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 16:29.55 | stew | garo: if you used aptitude, then "aptitude remove pacakgename" would do that, otherwise have a look at deborphan |
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| 16:30.36 | deeperror | http://pastebin.ca/436577 |
| 16:31.18 | garo | last question, is there a aptitude equivalent of "apt-get build-dep" and "apt-get -b source", couldn't find it in the man |
| 16:32.03 | stew | garo: for apt-get build-dep, there is a script on p12n.org ; there is no equiv. for apt-get source |
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| 16:32.34 | deeperror | stew: http://pastebin.ca/436577 |
| 16:32.52 | stew | deeperror: you need to add a debian mirror, you only have the security mirror so far, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:32.58 | stew | deeperror: what country are you in? |
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| 16:33.30 | deeperror | ua |
| 16:33.31 | deeperror | usa |
| 16:33.40 | SeanTater | Will netinst install etch+kde? |
| 16:33.42 | stew | deeperror: try "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main" |
| 16:33.49 | Crypticfortune_ | question from reading this slashdotted article http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6944795565.html -- based on the fact that my freetype settings included options for subpixel LCD rendering, i take it debian's response to microsoft's patents was "screw that?" |
| 16:34.02 | stew | SeanTater: it will only install kde if you ask for it, otherwise you just get a base system |
| 16:34.10 | deeperror | now this is different than sarge....? did i miss something in the install to set that? |
| 16:34.17 | deeperror | i thought for sure i had picked something |
| 16:34.18 | SeanTater | stew: so it has an option for it? |
| 16:34.19 | markybob | SeanTater: netinstall will install whatever the fuck you tell it to install. just dont select desktop because that'll install gnome. just after the install is finished, apt-get install kde |
| 16:35.36 | SeanTater | markybob: okay |
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| 16:35.37 | SeanTater | exit |
| 16:35.37 | SeanTater | oops |
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| 16:35.37 | deeperror | stew: ahhh there we go!!!! thanks brother! |
| 16:35.38 | tvynr | Does anyone know of an Apache2 server module (or any other approach) that will allow me to TOS-mark packets from certain transfers? I want to mark certain file types (.iso, .tar.*, etc.) as maximize-throughput to reduce the impact downloads have on my interactive users. |
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| 16:36.21 | markybob | so you want an iso transfer to put the breaks on your website? |
| 16:38.03 | mina_linux_Tux | what's the difference between compiled and precompiled Kernel modules ? |
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| 16:39.29 | ooglaboogla | what do i need to install to provide 'kernel build files' |
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| 16:40.13 | markybob | ooglaboogla: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 16:40.40 | Shadda | Hey, quick question. I went to apt-get something on my dev server, it tried to install xorg-server, (I didn't notice until it was already installing) I cancelled the operation but how do I tell apt to forget about it? (ie not try to install it after every concurrent operation) |
| 16:41.45 | ooglaboogla | markybob: Couldn't find package linux-headers2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 16:41.53 | nihraguk | between inetd and xinetd, which is the better choice in terms of security and low memory usage? or do they consume around the same amount of memory as standalone daemons for each service? |
| 16:42.03 | markybob | ooglaboogla: you forgot a dash |
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| 16:42.27 | ooglaboogla | markybob: yes i did. thank you |
| 16:42.35 | karlson | gibts usbekische Schreiraupen? |
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| 16:43.05 | markybob | Shadda: there is no "xorg-server" package, so what is it really telling you? |
| 16:43.33 | Shadda | sorry, xserver-xorg |
| 16:43.59 | markybob | Shadda: what does dpkg -l 'xserver-xorg' give you? |
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| 16:45.13 | Shadda | It's half-installed |
| 16:45.15 | Shadda | ah, I see, just uninstall it like I would anything else |
| 16:45.32 | MrWup | how do i do a tcp dump of the detailed packet contents sent and received by a certain process? |
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| 16:46.02 | delight | karlson: hast wohl zu viel simpsons geguckt, oder? |
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| 16:46.23 | karlson | delight, http://208.65.153.251/watch?v=054WGQLq2Tw |
| 16:46.26 | karlson | :D |
| 16:46.56 | delight | hehe |
| 16:47.02 | Pete_B | hi. I have fetchmail collecting from a mail host, delivering to postfix. When email comes in for multiple addresses on the same server everyone gets multiple emails. This Fetchmail FAQ says its a consequence of multidrop. How do I fix it? I have one server that does this and another that doesn't. Is it the mailhost's issue to fix? |
| 16:47.20 | ooglaboogla | can i not have firefox installed, can't seem to install any of my plugins to iceweasel |
| 16:47.54 | markybob | ooglaboogla: you can install it yourself. it just doesnt exist in debian repositories |
| 16:48.05 | ooglaboogla | ok |
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| 16:49.20 | garo | Is there a dir meant to put my own .deb's in or does everyone puts them on a other place ? |
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| 16:50.40 | markybob | garo: wherever. i leave mine in /usr/src/ just because they were created from sources in that directory |
| 16:50.40 | teclo- | I have problem, when doing apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update ... I get: E: Couldn't find package debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:50.40 | teclo- | ... ouch ? |
| 16:50.47 | h3sp4wn | garo: You can put it where you want - dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz (thats useful) |
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| 16:52.03 | cydork | teclo-: have you done apt-get update after adding the sources?? |
| 16:52.06 | markybob | telco- you always update *before* you install, not after. and which debian version are you using? |
| 16:52.18 | h3sp4wn | garo: then you can use a file:// and a path |
| 16:52.22 | solar_sea | I'm trying to do "apt-get install libfaad-dev libfaad0" with etch [upgraded from sarge] and here is what I get : "libfaad-dev: Depends: libfaad0 (= 2.5-2.1) but 2.5-2.1sarge1 is to be installed". What does this means, that there is no such package for etch ? |
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| 16:52.32 | garo | If i would put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ then apt will probably delete them by accident in the future, right ? |
| 16:52.40 | teclo- | markybob: that machine is running sarge, but it has a debmirror of etch for i386 |
| 16:52.41 | kmyst | hey guys, anybody know much about booting thin clients and dhcpd.conf without using pxelinux?? |
| 16:53.04 | teclo- | markybob: and debmirror curses at me because he can't check the signature of Release.gz |
| 16:53.05 | markybob | telco- it doesnt exist in sarge |
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| 16:53.28 | \amethyst | garo: only if you say apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean |
| 16:53.29 | teclo- | markybob: yeah, so how can I get debmirror to download the stuff properly ? |
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| 16:53.37 | bony | is there any tool similar to apt-proxy in debian? |
| 16:53.41 | teclo- | markybob: yeah, so how can I get debmirror *on sarge* to download the stuff properly ? |
| 16:53.42 | \amethyst | garo: or if you use dselect |
| 16:53.51 | cydork | kmyst: if you dont want much of a hassle check LTSP. |
| 16:54.11 | markybob | teclo-: you could just have the source for testing and then apt-get install build-dep && apt-get -b source foo which will get the source and build a deb for you |
| 16:54.25 | garo | thanks |
| 16:54.41 | kmyst | cydork: yeah i know about LTSP but can't use it for this scenario |
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| 16:55.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hi irDA tools beside the obex ones? |
| 16:55.35 | kmyst | the main issue is how does one append kernel paramters in dhcpd.conf if the filename is bzImage instead of say pxelinux.0 |
| 16:55.37 | teclo- | markybob: yes but, I need to add a etch line to sources.list on that sarge machine then ? |
| 16:56.00 | teclo- | markybob: then apt-get install build-dep && apt-get -b source apt-key .... that's correct ? |
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| 16:56.18 | markybob | teclo-: i'd add only the source line and build. or else you'll mix dependencies and fuck things up |
| 16:57.01 | teclo- | markybob: yeah, I don't wanna fuck up this machine, it's running sarge, and I really depend on it for 24/7 production stuff |
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| 16:57.35 | anabain | stew, I'm getting some "can't download package" packages errors when entering /msg dpkg reinstall suggestions. Moreover, I've googled and somewhere it says that reinstalling won't regenerate missing files... is this true? do you have any ideas of how to recover this /usr/share deleted dirs? |
| 16:57.35 | teclo- | markybob: isn't there some way to just to gpg --import something with the sarge version of gpg ? |
| 16:57.57 | teclo- | markybob: can't I get a backport of apt-key for sarge ??? |
| 16:58.18 | markybob | teclo-: probably, if you gave more specifics. like which key you're having problems with |
| 16:59.04 | CharminTheMoose | where is xorg's config file kept on etch? |
| 16:59.12 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.12 | teclo- | okay |
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| 16:59.23 | teclo- | markybob: here's what the bot says about it: You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | apt-key add - |
| 16:59.32 | teclo- | I just need an apt-key thjat will work on sarge |
| 16:59.38 | teclo- | doesn't seem to be on apt-get.org |
| 17:00.30 | CharminTheMoose | damn, how do i find out which X driver xorg uses for my machine? |
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| 17:01.32 | anabain | in other words, is there any way to get back from the packages? |
| 17:01.37 | stew | anabain: show me the actual errors |
| 17:01.39 | markybob | teclo-: i'm getting pretty annoyed that you assume what i want instead of just giving me specifically what i asked for. i'm gonna go grab some lunch now. |
| 17:01.53 | stew | anabain: reinstall will resintall missing files EXCEPT config files. no config files would be in /usr/share |
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| 17:03.25 | repyskichboarder | hello, I have to find out if the psmouse module is loaded, if i do "lsmod | grep mouse" I can't see anything, thins means that the module is not installed isnt it? |
| 17:03.41 | syntaxx | anyone tried pam_mysql and samba here? im getting a pam_mysql error |
| 17:03.42 | azeem | not loaded, but yes |
| 17:03.49 | repyskichboarder | Ok |
| 17:04.10 | h3sp4wn | CharminTheMoose: uses currently or should use ? |
| 17:04.27 | repyskichboarder | azeem How can I load it? this is my first time whit linux |
| 17:04.43 | azeem | repyskichboarder: modprobe psmouse |
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| 17:04.49 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:04.51 | repyskichboarder | I try |
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| 17:04.55 | azeem | repyskichboarder: and edit /etc/modules as root and add it there if this helps |
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| 17:05.07 | azeem | !tell root -about root |
| 17:05.09 | CharminTheMoose | h3sp4wn, it uses currently |
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| 17:05.17 | azeem | repyskichboarder: "it" being the modprobe command |
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| 17:05.26 | Ronin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.28 | Ronin | oops |
| 17:05.37 | Mooi | Hello, what software should I use to make a mail server? If exim is for SMTP, what is for POP/IMAP? |
| 17:05.51 | h3sp4wn | CharminTheMoose: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf (be obvious which is the video card driver) |
| 17:06.13 | repyskichboarder | azeem: the command returns this: connot locate module psmouse |
| 17:06.28 | azeem | repyskichboarder: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:06.48 | anabain | stew, how can I make that the language of the operation is in english, just for pasting it? (my locales is catalan; btw, I'm not going to flood here) |
| 17:07.09 | repyskichboarder | 2.4.17-2-386 |
| 17:07.13 | repyskichboarder | nono |
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| 17:07.22 | jelly | Mooi: anything that you like that provides a pop and/or imap server. Try running aptitude search '~P imap-server' |
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| 17:07.32 | repyskichboarder | 2.4.27-2.386 |
| 17:07.34 | jelly | Mooi: I suggest dovecot |
| 17:07.40 | azeem | repyskichboarder: hrm, what is your general problem, why do you think you need "psmouse"? |
| 17:07.41 | repyskichboarder | *2-386 |
| 17:07.42 | Mooi | okay jelly :) thanks |
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| 17:07.59 | stew | anabain: "export LANG=C" |
| 17:08.07 | repyskichboarder | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/436551 |
| 17:08.13 | karlson | how to hack pentagon servers? |
| 17:08.19 | repyskichboarder | azeem: My mouse doesen't move |
| 17:08.21 | azeem | karlson: you're off topic |
| 17:08.25 | repyskichboarder | I'm on a laptop |
| 17:08.26 | karlson | i hacked them once with windows xp, but i do not know how to with debian |
| 17:08.27 | jelly | karlson: with an axe! |
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| 17:08.32 | Ronin | azeem: to saw the least |
| 17:08.36 | Ronin | sure you did karlson |
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| 17:08.43 | karlson | i was in tv! |
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| 17:09.00 | markybob | i was wondering how long that'd take |
| 17:09.00 | azeem | karlson: you've been silenced for 10 minutes due to being off-topic |
| 17:09.13 | azeem | markybob: until somebody notifies the ops |
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| 17:09.24 | azeem | or an op noticed themselves |
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| 17:09.31 | markybob | azeem: i was typing up a /msg to them as that happened :) |
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| 17:09.58 | azeem | markybob: it's "!ops reason" |
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| 17:10.07 | azeem | unless you meant that with /msg |
| 17:10.08 | markybob | azeem: i usually /msg dpkg ops foo |
| 17:10.10 | Monk-e | I'm on Debian Etch trying to install the nvidia drivers through the official nvidia installer. I have installed the kernel sources (linux-sources-2.6-k7) and have extracted them from the tarball. I have the build-essential package too. When I run the nvidia-installer when it tries the build the module it says it can't define the kernel version from include/linux/version.h. How do I fix this? (make include/linux/version.h didn't fix it although |
| 17:10.10 | Monk-e | after careful reading I guess it's not supposed to.) |
| 17:10.13 | PaSurf | I am thinking about running virtualization software on my etch machine. Any recommendations? At this point I have only looked into Linux-VServer and a little into LVSP |
| 17:10.20 | azeem | markybob: oh, ok |
| 17:10.31 | repyskichboarder | azeem abrotman>repyskichboarder: make sure that module is loaded .. and if it isn't .. ask someone here how to load it and put it in your /etc/modules file .. got it ? |
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| 17:10.54 | repyskichboarder | azeem: abrotman was helping me but now he is eating |
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| 17:12.15 | azeem | repyskichboarder: ok |
| 17:12.26 | anabain | stew, http://paste.debian.net/25466 |
| 17:12.29 | h3sp4wn | Monk-e: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner || /msg dpkg nvidia_experimental |
| 17:12.30 | azeem | repyskichboarder: is there a reason you run a 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:13.07 | repyskichboarder | azeem: uhm, I've installed sarge and today I've upgrade etch |
| 17:13.08 | stew | anabain: have you run "apt-get update"? what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:13.15 | PaSurf | Any recommendations on virtualization software for etch? |
| 17:13.19 | azeem | repyskichboarder: you've upgraded already? |
| 17:13.30 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: depends on what you want to do |
| 17:13.34 | repyskichboarder | yes I think |
| 17:13.37 | Monk-e | Thanks h3sp4wn |
| 17:13.44 | markybob | repyskichboarder: you should try modprobe mousedev && modprobe psaux ...iirc, that's what 2.4 uses. been forever since i've used it, though |
| 17:13.44 | anabain | stew, sid/unstable |
| 17:13.46 | azeem | repyskichboarder: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 17:14.03 | MrWup | crypt, md5, smd5, sha and ssha <-- which one is DES? |
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| 17:14.19 | anabain | stew, well "unstable", that's the word in sources.list |
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| 17:14.40 | markybob | repyskichboarder: modprobe input too, while you're at it |
| 17:14.44 | h3sp4wn | Monk-e: first is 8xxx second is 9xxx if you don't know why you want the second don't bother with it |
| 17:14.48 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: Basically messing around but eventually would liket to get web applications (tomcat, apache, etc) |
| 17:15.03 | Monk-e | h3sp4wn, I want the second I'm afraid. :) |
| 17:15.13 | anabain | stew, I've run apt-get update and get the same error |
| 17:15.16 | tvynr | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-compat.en.html: Section 3.1 doesn't mention amd64; I was under the impression that Etch contains a full binary distribution of AMD64. Am I incorrect? If not, to whom should I report this? |
| 17:15.39 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: What is VS usually used for? |
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| 17:15.55 | PaSurf | or what applications are best suited for it? |
| 17:16.05 | repyskichboarder | azeem: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
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| 17:16.20 | \amethyst | tvynr: did you check the date on that document? |
| 17:16.21 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: xen or vserver for virtualising server stuff - kvm for virtualising windows (just to run the odd app) |
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| 17:16.30 | azeem | repyskichboarder: in that case, you should install a 2.6 kernel, etch doesn't run well on 2.4 |
| 17:16.30 | stew | anabain: oh, it appears that those pacakages are in fact no longer available in unstable |
| 17:16.31 | penguin | I could not boot into Debian yesterday, what log do I look at to find out what happened? |
| 17:16.37 | azeem | repyskichboarder: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 17:16.48 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: qemu with kqemu (if you don't have hardware support for kvm) - depends on usage there are tons of options now |
| 17:16.55 | tvynr | \amethyst: Ah ha ha. June '06. |
| 17:17.03 | repyskichboarder | markybob thanks |
| 17:17.08 | penguin | It would try to start GDM and then blank screen. |
| 17:17.14 | tvynr | \amethyst: Do I report this somewhere or just assume that someone'll get around to it? |
| 17:17.23 | iamtim | How can I install Xgl on debian? |
| 17:17.31 | azeem | iamtim: you cannot |
| 17:17.39 | anabain | stew, then should I try to force anything and then get those packs and install them manually? |
| 17:17.42 | deeperror | what would be the correct syntax for aptitude to get the 2.6 kernel headers for etch? |
| 17:17.51 | deeperror | 686 or something? |
| 17:17.52 | azeem | iamtim: it's not supported by Debian, you will have to install it yourself |
| 17:17.54 | iamtim | azeem, that seems unlikely |
| 17:18.01 | iamtim | right |
| 17:18.08 | markybob | tvynr: debian-doc mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/ |
| 17:18.20 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: I am putting together a web server with tomcat and apache and another with mysql. At this time that is the most I have going, but not sure if those are good programs to have VS running along side... |
| 17:18.21 | tvynr | markybob: Thanks. :) |
| 17:18.50 | deeperror | disregard found it |
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| 17:18.54 | repyskichboarder | azeem: done |
| 17:19.07 | azeem | repyskichboarder: select one and install it |
| 17:19.15 | azeem | probably "linux-image-2.6-386" or so |
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| 17:19.41 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: xen has worked great for me since I have used it with etch |
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| 17:20.02 | PaSurf | h3sp4wn: So where would you start looking into using VS? Is is purely a shortage of hardware thing or consolidation of like programs (apache with monitoring etc) |
| 17:20.10 | PaSurf | I will check xen out ... |
| 17:20.19 | h3sp4wn | PaSurf: I don't know what you mean by VS |
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| 17:20.34 | \amethyst | tvynr: it looks like it's been updated in doc-debian |
| 17:20.36 | PaSurf | Virtualization Software |
| 17:20.40 | \amethyst | tvynr: just not on the website |
| 17:20.41 | PaSurf | sorry |
| 17:20.50 | CharminTheMoose | can i use xmms1 plugins with xmms2? |
| 17:21.06 | repyskichboarder | azeem: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-486 ? |
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| 17:21.13 | penguin | So like where to see why Debian crashed after GDM tried to load? |
| 17:21.18 | tvynr | \amethyst: Ah. 'kay; I'll leave it alone, then. :) |
| 17:21.19 | azeem | repyskichboarder: yes, something like that |
| 17:21.24 | \amethyst | tvynr: you could file a bug against package "www.debian.org" |
| 17:21.26 | azeem | penguin: crashed how? |
| 17:21.40 | markybob | penguin: /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably |
| 17:21.40 | deeperror | is linux-headers the same as kernel-headers? was there a change in the naming from sarge to etch? |
| 17:21.43 | penguin | GDM tried a couple times and then crashed |
| 17:21.49 | tvynr | \amethyst: Heh... really? Interesting |
| 17:21.59 | penguin | But how come I could not log in via ssh? |
| 17:22.09 | tvynr | \amethyst: Not sure what I think of that approach. It seems both elegant and hacked at the same time. :) |
| 17:22.21 | azeem | penguin: it didn't crash I guess, it just gave up |
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| 17:22.26 | azeem | penguin: look in /var/log/X*log |
| 17:22.26 | chell | hi |
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| 17:22.37 | chell | does the etch netinst image include the new graphical installer? |
| 17:22.52 | \amethyst | tvynr: actually, the changelog says AMD64 was added to the FAQ, but it's still not listed in ch-compat.html, so it probably is a bug in doc-debian |
| 17:23.03 | teclo- | markybob: you there ? I'm back from lunch :) |
| 17:23.05 | deeperror | chell: it was similar to the old graphical installer but it didn't require a reboot before adding packages |
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| 17:23.09 | azeem | chell: yes |
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| 17:23.32 | chell | thanks |
| 17:23.34 | rdz | hello everyone. i played back a backup onto a fresh harddisk and now i am wondering what i should do in order to write lilo to the mbr of the fresh hd again. |
| 17:23.49 | kinto | hi all |
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| 17:24.12 | alexIdoia | hi there I have recently upgraded to debian 4 and I have in my MYSQL database a new db called information_schema, does that comes from the upgrade ? I guess I should not touched it ? |
| 17:24.13 | penguin | look in /var/log/X*log No good as last login successful |
| 17:24.27 | azeem | penguin: successful how? |
| 17:24.34 | penguin | I am on now |
| 17:24.36 | teclo | markybob: you there ? I'm back from lunch :) |
| 17:24.36 | azeem | if it was successful, why do you bother? |
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| 17:24.44 | kinto | can someone tell me where i can found a list of packages in the netinst iso image for etch? |
| 17:24.46 | rdz | !lilo |
| 17:24.47 | dpkg | lilo is probably the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 17:24.56 | penguin | Because I tried to boot into Debian several times and crashed |
| 17:25.04 | penguin | I want to know why. |
| 17:25.18 | azeem | penguin: and now you tried again without changing anything, and it worked? |
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| 17:25.21 | CharminTheMoose | can i use xmms1 plugins with xmms2? |
| 17:25.28 | \amethyst | alexIdoia: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/information-schema.html |
| 17:25.44 | penguin | ALl I did was go to single user mode, did nothing and then it started working |
| 17:25.51 | garo | What should i place in sources.list after "deb file:///this/dir/contains/my/own/packages/" (I'm running etch and '/this/dir/contains/my/own/packages/' is a dir where i keep my own packages that are not part of etch) |
| 17:26.04 | azeem | penguin: there might be other log files around with similar names |
| 17:26.24 | penguin | What log shows booting attempts? |
| 17:26.29 | azeem | garo: do you have a Packages.gz? |
| 17:26.40 | azeem | penguin: syslog mostly |
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| 17:27.17 | alexIdoia | \ok but then it comes in addition or in replacement of the mysql db ? |
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| 17:27.23 | garo | azeem: i don't even know what Packages.gz is... |
| 17:27.40 | jpin | Hi, any reason in particular why since 2.6.19 the linux-image kernel is so slow on a pentium M 2GZ ? (2.6.18 works fine) |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: get it all figured out ? |
| 17:28.33 | namit | is there much hassel in updating from sarge to etch? |
| 17:28.35 | jpin | seems like since they moved that different cpu code into the same kernel i've been having this "slowish" problem |
| 17:28.35 | karlson | m |
| 17:28.55 | chell | does lenny include the graphical installer |
| 17:29.07 | kinto | can someone tell me where i can found a list of packages in the netinst iso image for etch? |
| 17:29.08 | esters | chell: it should be |
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| 17:30.27 | kinto | no one can help me? |
| 17:30.38 | markybob | repyskichboarder: dont know if you read it all, but he was using 2.4 kernel, so psmouse wouldnt work like you told him. i told him to modprobe mousedev, input and psaux but never heard back from him. *shrug* |
| 17:30.50 | reiser2 | i have a problem with kopete |
| 17:30.51 | reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/436654 |
| 17:30.51 | kinto | !list |
| 17:30.51 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to kinto |
| 17:31.02 | kinto | !netinst |
| 17:31.02 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 17:31.18 | chell | was rex ever used as a codename by the debian project |
| 17:31.19 | kinto | !netinst packages |
| 17:31.44 | namit | is there much hassel in updating from sarge to etch? |
| 17:32.07 | chell | 1.2 was rex |
| 17:32.26 | kinto | !netinst list |
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| 17:32.39 | kinto | !pool netinst |
| 17:32.48 | kinto | damn |
| 17:32.59 | reiser2 | any idea? |
| 17:33.14 | azeem | garo: APT needs a Packages file to find your .debs, look into dpkg-scanpackages |
| 17:33.15 | penguin | At home I installed Debian on disk one, later I installed Vista which wiped out the MBR. How to set up dual boot? |
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| 17:33.42 | markybob | !fixmbr |
| 17:33.42 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 17:33.46 | azeem | penguin: boot from a LiveCD and rerun grub-install |
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| 17:35.08 | jvm_ | hi. i upgraded my system and apache2.2.3/php5.2 don't work anymore, any advice? Syntax error on line 116 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 17:35.55 | penguin | Is there web instructions on Debian site for dual booting Vista and Debian? |
| 17:36.20 | rdz | markybob, i am reinstalling a backup to a fresh hd. when i do 'lilo' after 'chroot'ing, it says: Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda") |
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| 17:36.47 | rdz | i think i have similar problem like penguin |
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| 17:36.56 | aronofsky | hi |
| 17:37.04 | rdz | (but i didn't install windows after debian, only debian) |
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| 17:37.08 | markybob | penguin: you do the fixmbr thing i showed you. or you install debian *after* installing vista |
| 17:37.11 | abrotman | penguin: google should have tons |
| 17:37.11 | Ronin | penguin: install vista then install debian |
| 17:37.21 | repyskichboarder | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.23 | aronofsky | I try to compile ldap with a specific compiled version of bdb installed in /usr/local/db/ , In my config.log I got the following error "error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" wheras I pass the following to configure script :-L/usr/local/db/lib , and libdb-4.5.so is right here ... what am I missing here ? |
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| 17:37.39 | repyskichboarder | I have installed kernel 2.6 |
| 17:37.47 | namit | penguin: you have to install visa then deiban ass ronin said |
| 17:37.55 | repyskichboarder | and now what I have to do? |
| 17:37.57 | aronofsky | any compilation warrior to help me ... |
| 17:38.02 | namit | penguin: but why do you need visa? |
| 17:38.07 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: does gdm work now ? |
| 17:38.15 | repyskichboarder | uhm wait |
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| 17:38.21 | repyskichboarder | i don't think |
| 17:38.22 | solar_sea | something happened to my system. whenever I try to start a terminal or run bash |
| 17:38.26 | solar_sea | I get permission denied |
| 17:38.32 | penguin | So my Debian install is kapooey? |
| 17:38.38 | solar_sea | and i'm logged as root |
| 17:38.42 | markybob | penguin: damnit, list! |
| 17:38.44 | markybob | listen, too |
| 17:38.46 | penguin | I needed Vista to watch dancing with the stars. |
| 17:38.59 | Supaplex | !lart Vista |
| 17:39.00 | piztek | the auto-login is only sometimes working for me now on debian etch running kde after doing an update. can anyone help me? |
| 17:39.16 | Ronin | penguin: not at all |
| 17:39.16 | Supaplex | sheaw! go dpkg! |
| 17:39.19 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: no, it doesen't work |
| 17:39.22 | Supaplex | !mplayer |
| 17:39.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is in Debian testing and unstable. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 17:40.08 | chell | how do I start the graphical installer? |
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| 17:40.59 | repyskichboarder | markybob: modprobe mousedev should work? |
| 17:41.09 | markybob | in 2.4 |
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| 17:41.17 | markybob | which is what you said you had |
| 17:41.18 | jelly | !test |
| 17:41.20 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: in your /etc/modules .. put psmouse and mousedev in there on separate lines |
| 17:41.25 | abrotman | dpkg: ih |
| 17:41.28 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 17:41.30 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:41.31 | dpkg | bonjour, abrotman |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | slowpoke |
| 17:41.39 | jelly | she's slow |
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| 17:41.55 | xingu | dpkg: dance! |
| 17:42.03 | markybob | repyskichboarder: are you getting a different error with 2.6? |
| 17:42.16 | repyskichboarder | no, the same |
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| 17:42.26 | piztek | the auto-login is only sometimes working for me now on debian etch running kde after doing an update. can anyone help me? |
| 17:42.36 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: in your /etc/modules .. put psmouse and mousedev in there on separate lines |
| 17:42.51 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: then modprobe both manually .. and try to restart X |
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| 17:43.14 | jelly | Does anyone have a pcmcia or expresscard SATA/e-SATA controller working in Linux? |
| 17:43.20 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:43.29 | deriaN- | - Is there any difference between the initrd boot generaters: initramfs-tools or yaird ? |
| 17:43.40 | deriaN- | (And which one do you recommend me to use) |
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| 17:44.22 | jelly | deriaN-: yaird is unmaintained upstream. initramfs-tools requires udev. |
| 17:44.23 | cydork | deriaN-: yaird is dead upstream afaik |
| 17:44.32 | Flimzy | deriaN-: No there's no difference. That's why they have the same name. Er... wait... they don't have the same name. I guess they're obviously different then. |
| 17:44.55 | jelly | !prize Flimzy for a most useful answer |
| 17:45.00 | Supaplex | Flimzy: do we laugh now or later? |
| 17:45.08 | deriaN- | Flimzy: but which one do you recommend, and what the big difference between them? |
| 17:45.08 | Flimzy | Supaplex: Unlikely. |
| 17:45.10 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: modprob:can't locate module psmouse |
| 17:45.25 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 17:45.27 | jelly | deriaN-: which release are you using, etch? sarge? |
| 17:45.32 | Flimzy | deriaN-: I've only used initramfs-tools. I have no recommendation. It probably depends on your needs. |
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| 17:45.36 | deriaN- | Unstable |
| 17:45.38 | deriaN- | / Etch |
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| 17:45.42 | Flimzy | Unstable != etch |
| 17:45.46 | rdz | !bootflag |
| 17:45.56 | jelly | deriaN-: go with initramfs-tools, you probably have udev anyway |
| 17:45.59 | esters | will Gimmix (mpd client) be in Debian ? |
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| 17:46.09 | deriaN- | Okay, thanks. |
| 17:46.12 | kofler | Can you add custom made Debian packages to an apt-mirror run on a LAN without setting up a separate repository? |
| 17:46.16 | karlson | knapp 20mg morphin rektal - wuuusch ^^ |
| 17:46.20 | rgsteele | Eh, anybody remember off the top of their head how to not print the full path with 'find'? |
| 17:46.26 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:46.28 | Guerin | !htfswk esters |
| 17:46.28 | dpkg | esters: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 17:46.32 | Flimzy | rgsteele: man find. |
| 17:46.37 | esters | exacly |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: what's your CPU ? |
| 17:46.40 | azeem | karlson: last warning, please keep it on topic |
| 17:46.42 | rgsteele | Flimzy: Yeah, I glossed over it and didn't see it :P |
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| 17:47.00 | Flimzy | rgsteele: It's in there. I know, because I just saw it as I was reading the find man page for something else. |
| 17:47.07 | esters | I apologise for my noobish question |
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| 17:47.15 | Guerin | esters: you can search (/msg dpkg search) - and if you want, file a RFP at bugs.debian.org |
| 17:47.17 | rgsteele | Flimzy: Guess that's why I wear contacts. |
| 17:47.27 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: like a P4 or AMD or what ? |
| 17:47.28 | Flimzy | rgsteele: Hint: "printf" |
| 17:47.44 | Flimzy | rgsteele: (altho TMTOWTDI" |
| 17:47.47 | esters | Guerin: i will try the orpaned/new packages or wncc (what was it called) |
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| 17:47.58 | erstss | on samba reestart i get "failed to kill 2361" any one know what i did wrong |
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| 17:48.14 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: intel core duo |
| 17:48.21 | xand | erstss: does that happen often or just once? try "kill 2361" |
| 17:48.29 | Guerin | erstss: you didn't sploffle the whorblemeters |
| 17:48.35 | solar_sea | Help me, i've fcked my etch somehow. Whenver I reboot, I get permission denied while init is trying to execute it's scripts and it halts. Whenever I try to chroot to it I get /bin/bash - permission denied. What should I do ? |
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| 17:48.45 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:48.49 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: then restart your machine |
| 17:48.54 | rgsteele | Flimzy: Got it, thanks bud. |
| 17:48.54 | siachris | I'm a newbie, and got etch. I'm trying to make the screen brighter. Xgamma, and control center don't do anything for it. |
| 17:48.55 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: is it sata ? |
| 17:49.15 | deriaN- | abrotman: or if he runs stable aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:49.26 | abrotman | deriaN-: he doesn't |
| 17:49.33 | erstss | it says no such process |
| 17:49.41 | deriaN- | Okay. |
| 17:49.51 | jelly | solar_sea: can you paste ls -ld /target (or wherever your mount point is)? |
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| 17:50.02 | erstss | guerin: ?????????? hæææææææææ |
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| 17:50.18 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: I don't know, my pc is an acer aspire 5630 |
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| 17:50.25 | siachris | This same monitor had xp running with an Adobe Gamma Filter that corrected it. I was wondering if there's a packages similar to the Adobe one for linux. |
| 17:50.31 | solar_sea | sh-3.1# ls -ld /mnt/sda7 |
| 17:50.31 | solar_sea | drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Apr 8 11:57 /mnt/sda7 |
| 17:50.34 | Guerin | erstss: quite. |
| 17:50.35 | solar_sea | this is under a live cd |
| 17:50.44 | erstss | ;@} |
| 17:50.46 | jelly | solar_sea: it would help if you explained what you were doing previous to that error |
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| 17:51.10 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: I have to write this? aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 17:51.22 | kofler | Does anyone know? |
| 17:51.23 | Guerin | siachris: you can configure it with xgamma |
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| 17:51.47 | solar_sea | I was trying to get a script in Faac/faad .tar.gz running, that is supposed to convert the files to unix text format |
| 17:51.56 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: yep |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: you don't know if you have sata ? |
| 17:52.07 | solar_sea | is it okey to paste it here ? [it's only a few lines] |
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| 17:52.14 | jelly | solar_sea: nope |
| 17:52.16 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: no, sorry :( |
| 17:52.22 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:52.22 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 17:53.10 | jelly | solar_sea: or use paste.debian.net, or any other pastebin |
| 17:53.14 | PupenoR | How do I get the date of creation of a file (to be used in a script, that is, not having to parse the output of ls -la)? |
| 17:53.38 | solar_sea | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6049 - here |
| 17:53.40 | cydork | PupenoR: /msg dpkg ctime |
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| 17:53.45 | solar_sea | i did sh this_script |
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| 17:54.10 | solar_sea | and then everything went crazy |
| 17:54.14 | xingu | PupenoR: creation? no can do; access, modify, or change - yes - but creation? you're hosed. |
| 17:54.16 | jelly | solar_sea: if you have run that script over the whole installation, you'll have to reinstall. |
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| 17:54.28 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: i can't find anything either way |
| 17:54.33 | PupenoR | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.35 | xingu | PupenoR: for the other three see stat(1) |
| 17:54.39 | solar_sea | If I remember correctly, I ran it only in the directory it was supposed to be run |
| 17:54.45 | jelly | solar_sea: (most probably) |
| 17:54.51 | siachris | Guerin: I have tried that, and it does nothing. |
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| 17:55.21 | Guerin | siachris: it doesn't work with some drivers, but those drivers with which it does work it's good. |
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| 17:55.24 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: what I'm doing whin aptitude install.... ? |
| 17:55.33 | abrotman | installing a new kernel ... |
| 17:55.36 | siachris | I've read man gamma pages, and it didn't really help. |
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| 17:55.37 | deb_0 | how do i access the root account of debian ? |
| 17:55.41 | abrotman | su |
| 17:55.45 | solar_sea | okey, is there a way to burn a netinst cd while having only one cd drive and running a live-cd at the same time .. :) |
| 17:56.01 | piztek | lol |
| 17:56.07 | Guerin | siachris: for instance, I don't think nv supports xgamma |
| 17:56.17 | piztek | solar_sea: find another computer with a burner |
| 17:56.22 | Guerin | siachris: this is not a livecd channel |
| 17:56.24 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: I thought to have yet done it |
| 17:56.26 | jelly | solar_sea: unfortunately that script doesn't check input parameters, and happily proceeds to run itself using every directory entry in root as arguments /* |
| 17:56.31 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: ? |
| 17:56.34 | Guerin | *sight* |
| 17:56.41 | Guerin | solar_sea: this is not a livecd channel |
| 17:56.42 | siachris | What is a livecd channel? |
| 17:56.46 | jelly | solar_sea: lessons learned: DON'T RUN STUFF AS ROOT |
| 17:56.52 | abrotman | #debian-livecd on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:57.03 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: before write this apt-get install linux-image-2.6-486 ? |
| 17:57.05 | h3sp4wn | PupenoR: jfs has creation times I believe (you can get them with jfs_debugfs) |
| 17:57.10 | solar_sea | guerin, i'm using a debian-based live cd if that bothers you and trying to find how to fix my system |
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| 17:57.14 | repyskichboarder | *I wrote |
| 17:57.20 | jelly | solar_sea: especially not stuff you're not sure what it does |
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| 17:57.34 | jvm_ | how should i install php5 on my debian server with pdo module? seems like there's no pdo in the stable sources. |
| 17:57.40 | siachris | Guerin: what do you mean? |
| 17:57.42 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 17:57.48 | DavidProck1981 | hay what is one of those paste bin links |
| 17:57.48 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: that's the command you want |
| 17:57.49 | solar_sea | yeah .. atleast I have hdds so that I can backup my docs before reinstalling |
| 17:57.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:57.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:57.54 | repyskichboarder | Ok :D |
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| 17:58.15 | jelly | solar_sea: your home was possibly unaffected |
| 17:58.26 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: now I have to reebot? |
| 17:58.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:58.40 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:58.47 | jelly | solar_sea: I'd guess it got to /bin, messed it up and couldn't go onward |
| 17:59.17 | solar_sea | as far as I can see, no file in my home dir has been corrupted |
| 17:59.27 | jelly | solar_sea: whoever put that script into the tar for the user should be shot, too |
| 17:59.32 | jelly | ;-) |
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| 17:59.46 | digits | how do i find out why a package have been kept back? |
| 17:59.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | a tratuctor for linux, like babylon? |
| 17:59.56 | solar_sea | and in this case ... can't I get the content of another users /bin ? |
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| 18:00.15 | dutchfish | digits, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian |
| 18:00.25 | gonzaloaf_laptop | A translater for Linux like babylon for Windows? |
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| 18:00.35 | haxality | hello, I have no problem playing video fullscreen in totem, but mplayer can't. any ideas? |
| 18:00.45 | kofler | Can you add custom made Debian packages to an apt-mirror run on a LAN without setting up a separate repository? |
| 18:00.46 | Gambaroni | Someone that have installed Ubuntu using PXE, I'm using debian as server? When I boot the client and then loads the config file, it says: "Could not load kernel image: linux." Anyone =)? |
| 18:01.01 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 18:01.07 | wols | how does debian know a dpkg-reconfigure sessions didn't end properly. ie. apt-get dist-upgrade wants me to run dpkg-reconfigure but I already did that |
| 18:01.08 | Seb | what am I missing about invoke-rc.d ? |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | babelfish.altavista.com |
| 18:01.16 | Seb | it doens't seem to do anything, ever, to my services |
| 18:01.21 | Seb | and doesn't complain either |
| 18:01.23 | Seb | i'm confused :\ |
| 18:01.31 | siachris | Anyone know of a good virtual machine that I can run windows, and debian at the same time? |
| 18:01.36 | solar_sea | jelly: I think it messed only the 'arch' and 'bash' apps in there, eveything else is working fine |
| 18:01.45 | PupenoR | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.55 | digits | dutchfish, i'm running stable, just trying to sudo apt-get update and get a bunch of held back pacakges |
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| 18:02.16 | stew | digits: do you realize that stable changed from sarge to etch on sunday? |
| 18:02.40 | stew | digits: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 18:02.49 | jelly | solar_sea: if you have enough experience, you could download .deb package for bash and extract its contents directly in your root |
| 18:02.58 | wols | swatch |
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| 18:03.04 | abrotman | internet time! |
| 18:03.10 | dutchfish | wols, wild gues: /var/log/dkpg.log |
| 18:03.31 | digits | stew, du'h there it is... didn't know that... |
| 18:03.36 | jelly | solar_sea: do you have some other shell installed on the machine? maybe you could do something like chroot /mnt/sda7 /bin/zsh |
| 18:03.37 | digits | stew, ammending straight away |
| 18:03.38 | stew | digits: if you have "stable" in you sources.list, then that is probably causing you problems, "/msg dpkg etch" and read the release notes for the proper upgrade prodecure |
| 18:03.43 | dutchfish | digits, already did apt-get -f install? |
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| 18:04.00 | jvm_ | is dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org dead? |
| 18:04.03 | solar_sea | nope, but the busybox ash seems to be working |
| 18:04.11 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 18:04.11 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 18:04.17 | dosingrat | Hello, please someone tell me about a weird cron/exim4 behaviour after upgrading to Etch from Sarge; I didn't change anything in exim or cron's configuration, didn't touch it. in Sarge everything was ok. This is the meessage I am getting periodically on e-mail: |
| 18:04.22 | dosingrat | Subject: Cron <mail@mail> if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim -a -f /etc/exim/exim.conf ];hen /usr/sbin/exim -q ; fi |
| 18:04.31 | dosingrat | Body of the message: exim: permission denied |
| 18:04.38 | kinto | can someone tell me where i can found a list of packages in the netinst iso image for etch? |
| 18:04.39 | filleokus | anyone here that knows how to see what guid a sertain grup has and what uid a user has? |
| 18:04.39 | dutchfish | digits, or did you upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 18:04.45 | digits | dutchfish, not yet |
| 18:04.53 | solar_sea | I've managed to chroot with a shell in it. |
| 18:04.53 | dosingrat | There are no more informations provided in the message |
| 18:04.56 | DavidProck1981 | can someone help with the WARNING's, Scrool the the bottom of the page http://channels.debian.net/paste/6050 |
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| 18:05.01 | solar_sea | can I get the .debs for bash with apt-get ? |
| 18:05.02 | digits | dutchfish, stew just told me that etch was new stable... ;) |
| 18:05.07 | jelly | solar_sea: well, you can do reinstalls of only those apps that were affected (based on time and broken permissions in /bin) |
| 18:05.12 | dutchfish | digits, yes |
| 18:05.16 | jelly | solar_sea: ya, of course |
| 18:05.17 | abrotman | why are you building wine ? |
| 18:05.30 | mfrisch | abrotman: is there something special you have to do to get a automounter (gnome-volume-manager) to work correctly in sarge? What is the newest kernel for sarge? |
| 18:05.40 | jelly | solar_sea: wait, you have ash in chroot? |
| 18:05.40 | abrotman | 2.6.8.-3 |
| 18:05.45 | dutchfish | digits, so any refs to stable in /etc/apt/sources.list let you upgrade those packages to etch versions! |
| 18:05.51 | mfrisch | abrotman: really? oh my |
| 18:05.53 | abrotman | mfrisch: i had udev .. i think it just worked .. but i'm not sure |
| 18:05.58 | solar_sea | "busybox ash" |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | mfrisch: 2.6.8-3 |
| 18:06.08 | abrotman | mfrisch: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 18:06.12 | digits | thanks for the help dutchfish and stew... going to take a bath, will upgrade the server afterwards |
| 18:06.23 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman:, was that directed to me, "why are you building wine ?" |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:06.40 | rahul | don't build wine, drink it |
| 18:06.44 | DavidProck1981 | im not, i did the way it say install it |
| 18:06.45 | jelly | solar_sea: but that's not in chroot |
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| 18:06.57 | rahul | 'it'? |
| 18:07.00 | abrotman | you are compiling wine |
| 18:07.10 | solar_sea | it's in as far as I can see |
| 18:07.17 | rahul | DavidProck1981: my 'it' did not say to do that |
| 18:07.21 | mfrisch | abrotman: that is probally it. it is for that reiser2 guy...he has customers using sarge, the usb flash disk locks stuff up after mount umount. He has 2.4.2something. no udev still hotplug. |
| 18:07.32 | stew | DavidProck1981: why not "aptitude install wine" ? |
| 18:07.38 | CharminTheMoose | <sarcasm>you are compiling wine, oh teh noes! the world's going to end!</sarcasm> |
| 18:07.39 | DavidProck1981 | this is the command i ran ./tools/wineinstall |
| 18:07.44 | mfrisch | abrotman: it works fine with etch |
| 18:07.50 | stew | DavidProck1981: why not use the debian pacakges? |
| 18:07.58 | filleokus | mm |
| 18:08.03 | rahul | a camel thinks he's a moose! the world's going to end! |
| 18:08.07 | filleokus | use package when u can |
| 18:08.13 | DavidProck1981 | but still it has problems that i would like to fix |
| 18:08.17 | solar_sea | but trying to do apt-get remove bash results in segfault of dpkg-preconfigure; |
| 18:08.22 | Mooi | Hello, can someone tell me how to set up mail? I tried sending to user@domain.com but it gives a 550 eror. Using exim4 on debian etch |
| 18:08.29 | solar_sea | I guess I should download the .deb for bash and extract/overwrite it manually ? |
| 18:08.36 | filleokus | anyone here that knows how to see what guid a sertain grup has and what uid a user has? |
| 18:08.36 | jelly | solar_sea: yup |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | mfrisch: might be fam |
| 18:08.57 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: given this user's ability .. itmight just lead to that |
| 18:08.59 | jelly | solar_sea: which distro, which release? |
| 18:09.07 | stew | DavidProck1981: check config.log, see what file it was looking for and apt-file search for that file, (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 18:09.20 | jelly | solar_sea: I mean, which architecture and which release? |
| 18:09.21 | solar_sea | etch, upgraded recently from sarge |
| 18:09.25 | solar_sea | i386 |
| 18:09.30 | stew | DavidProck1981: however it would be strongly recommended to use debian pacakges instead of compiling when they are available |
| 18:09.31 | dutchfish | Mooi, did you config your machine proparly with FQD names? |
| 18:09.39 | mfrisch | abrotman: hhm. ok will start with a 2.6 kernel will go from there, add udev purge hotplug. Then we will mess with fam THANKS! |
| 18:09.53 | dutchfish | Mooi, dns i sproperly confiigged? |
| 18:09.54 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, oh right, sorry.... |
| 18:09.56 | Mooi | dutchfish: such as... |
| 18:09.59 | Mooi | dns - yes |
| 18:10.06 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 18:10.11 | Mooi | I have BIND9 working perfectly for me |
| 18:10.19 | abrotman | mfrisch: okay |
| 18:10.21 | solar_sea | I see two folders on my deb mirror, bash & bash3, which one should I use ? |
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| 18:10.32 | abrotman | moose |
| 18:10.41 | rahul | add a goat and I'll be in heaven |
| 18:10.45 | jelly | solar_sea: http://YOUR-MIRROR-HERE/debian/pool/main/b/bash/bash_3.1dfsg-8_i386.deb (used apt-get -d --reinstall install bash to get the link) |
| 18:10.51 | kbidd | Can somebody help me find the download images for the floppy disk net install? I found the page: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst but it didnt seem to have any links to the actual images |
| 18:10.58 | rahul | exactly, a TRUE moose would know how to pluralize his own species |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | !bf |
| 18:11.00 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 18:11.05 | dutchfish | Mooi, what gives: hostname --fqdn |
| 18:11.24 | kbidd | thanks |
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| 18:11.26 | CharminTheMoose | the plural of moose is mooses |
| 18:11.27 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: /bin/sh can't access tty |
| 18:11.28 | Mooi | woop-clan.net, real fwdn should be wemew.com |
| 18:11.31 | CharminTheMoose | not meese. :) |
| 18:11.35 | Mooi | (to dutchfish) |
| 18:11.35 | jelly | is there a way to use apt-get with a nondefault rootdir ? |
| 18:11.41 | repyskichboarder | must go :( |
| 18:11.45 | repyskichboarder | see you later |
| 18:11.46 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: you are truely a silly camel. |
| 18:11.59 | dutchfish | Mooi, man hostname to properly config that then config exim4 accordingly |
| 18:12.11 | Mooi | okay, will do sir |
| 18:12.21 | rahul | ooo kinky |
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| 18:12.36 | CharminTheMoose | Oo |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: try a fresh install with the etch installer |
| 18:12.40 | CharminTheMoose | oO |
| 18:12.41 | solar_sea | jelly: I got it and it's in the main dir, how can I extract it ? |
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| 18:12.56 | abrotman | kbidd: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 18:13.00 | rahul | where are your antlers? see! you're clearly not a moose |
| 18:13.07 | repyskichboarder | ok I'll try :D |
| 18:13.09 | repyskichboarder | thanks |
| 18:13.10 | rahul | a moose looks like this: ~oo~ |
| 18:13.14 | repyskichboarder | see you soon |
| 18:13.17 | repyskichboarder | byebye |
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| 18:13.23 | CharminTheMoose | hahaha |
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| 18:13.33 | twobitsprite | hmm... for some reason gdm won't start |
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| 18:13.50 | rahul | yes, your CAMEL hoof |
| 18:14.00 | twobitsprite | runlebel 5 is the default, and S20gdm is in /etc/rc5.d |
| 18:14.08 | rahul | that ascii camel seriously looks like bullwinkle, tho |
| 18:14.11 | twobitsprite | when I run /etc/init.d/gdm start, nothing happens |
| 18:14.16 | DavidProck1981 | well can u at leas help me with the OpenGL problem |
| 18:14.32 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: why are you attempting to compile wine .. there are wine packages in debian |
| 18:14.33 | twobitsprite | what am I missing? |
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| 18:15.08 | DavidProck1981 | but if i use that one, i will still have hte OpenGL problem , Correct? |
| 18:15.10 | stew | twobitsprite: do you get an error? have you check /var/log/X*.0.log ? |
| 18:15.21 | twobitsprite | stew: no and no, I'll check |
| 18:15.36 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, dont ask for help just ask |
| 18:15.44 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 18:15.56 | stew | DavidProck1981: did you check config.log? |
| 18:16.06 | DavidProck1981 | where is it loacted |
| 18:16.11 | solar_sea | where is dpkg usually located ? |
| 18:16.20 | rahul | solar_sea: ... /bin/? |
| 18:16.20 | DavidProck1981 | dont know |
| 18:16.26 | stew | DavidProck1981: in $PWD |
| 18:16.31 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 18:16.33 | rahul | oh /usr/bin/ |
| 18:16.37 | stew | DavidProck1981: is there some reason you aren't using the debian packages? |
| 18:16.42 | faust_ | Just to nitpick a bit.. CharminTheMoose... Moose are deer animals, and as such have no hooves. They have cloved feet, just like cows, pigs etc.. |
| 18:16.52 | solar_sea | rahul: thanks |
| 18:16.54 | DavidProck1981 | just so i can have tyhe latest wine |
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| 18:17.06 | twobitsprite | stew: I don't see anything suspicious |
| 18:17.12 | rahul | faust_: exactly, he's a camel. |
| 18:17.16 | xingu | faust_: camels on the other hand |
| 18:17.18 | faust_ | I think possibly camels have cloved feet too... |
| 18:17.22 | faust_ | Gotta look that one up. |
| 18:17.32 | faust_ | If they had a hoof, cameltoe wouldn't be a concept, would it? |
| 18:17.35 | rahul | hrm, I would have thought camels are more related to horses |
| 18:17.39 | rahul | ah, true |
| 18:17.43 | CharminTheMoose | hehe, thanks faust_ for your biological correction. :) |
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| 18:18.10 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: then ask #winehq .. not us |
| 18:18.17 | stew | faust_: cloved isn't an word. their hooves are cloven, if that is what you mean |
| 18:18.30 | rahul | yeah, even-toed ungulates |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | cloved might be a word .. but not in that sense :) |
| 18:18.34 | stew | DavidProck1981: what is wrong with the version in debian? |
| 18:18.41 | rahul | I think some camels have 4 toes |
| 18:18.50 | xingu | faust_: they don't have a cloven hoof, but they do have a hoof (camels) |
| 18:18.54 | Gambaroni | Someone that have installed Ubuntu using PXE, I'm using debian as server? When I boot the client and then loads the config file, it says: "Could not load kernel image: linux." Anyone =)? |
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| 18:18.58 | faust_ | stew, translation error then. In norwegian those are two different concepts. Hooves are usually considered to not have toes. |
| 18:18.59 | solar_sea | What is the format of .deb packages ? I need to extract one without using dpkg, and dpkg calls some subscripts that require bash and this leads to segfault on my machine. [i'm trying to reinstall bash] |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | ar |
| 18:19.29 | twobitsprite | Gambaroni: maybe you don't have a file named "linux" on your tftp server? |
| 18:19.39 | rahul | dromedaries don't have hooves. |
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| 18:19.58 | faust_ | Aren't dromedaries just one-humped camels? |
| 18:20.34 | dutchfish | solar_sea, what about dpkg -x ? |
| 18:20.41 | rahul | faust_: yes |
| 18:20.52 | DavidProck1981 | stew: well will it let me know i have all those warnings |
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| 18:21.02 | solar_sea | dutchfish: looks like it worked, thanks |
| 18:21.13 | dutchfish | solar_sea, yw |
| 18:21.22 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.32 | stew | DavidProck1981: i don't understand what you are trying to tell me there |
| 18:21.52 | rahul | DavidProck1981: the debian package has no warnings |
| 18:21.54 | solar_sea | Hurray, i've got my bash back, jelly, dutchfish thanks a lot! |
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| 18:22.10 | DavidProck1981 | ok it say i have a OpenGL problem, well that is a deffinate one i would like to fix, can uhelp there |
| 18:22.19 | stew | DavidProck1981: what is the problem? |
| 18:22.32 | faust_ | stew is right though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloven_hoof |
| 18:22.45 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.52 | stew | DavidProck1981: did you check config.log to see what files it was looking for? |
| 18:22.54 | jelly | solar_sea: great! |
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| 18:23.08 | rahul | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Cameljordaniandesert.jpg <- look, CharminTheMoose!! |
| 18:23.11 | DavidProck1981 | where is the config.log |
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| 18:23.21 | stew | DavidProck1981: $PWD ; the current directory |
| 18:23.30 | stew | DavidProck1981: the directory configure was called from |
| 18:23.42 | DavidProck1981 | what is $PWD |
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| 18:23.49 | twobitsprite | ok, I got gdm to load (magically...) ... next problem... alsamixer says "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument" |
| 18:23.52 | faust_ | primary working directory or something. |
| 18:24.04 | stew | DavidProck1981: an environment variable that holds the current directory, type "echo $PWD" |
| 18:24.11 | faust_ | It's the dir the application runs in, usually the directory you're in. |
| 18:24.12 | stew | present workding directory |
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| 18:24.24 | jelly | DavidProck1981: dude, why are you building wine from source? |
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| 18:24.36 | stew | jelly: shiny new version syndrome |
| 18:24.50 | jelly | stew: I use unstable packages for that! |
| 18:24.51 | twobitsprite | and when I try to run "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils start" it gives me "amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument" about 10 times |
| 18:24.54 | faust_ | I'm overdosing on shiny new right now. Debian 4 <3 |
| 18:24.56 | DavidProck1981 | jelly dude why woild it matter |
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| 18:25.10 | faust_ | Although it cost me a while to wrench it in... |
| 18:25.20 | jelly | DavidProck1981: because a) there might be no need to and b) you don't know how to do it right |
| 18:25.21 | faust_ | would have been faster do install the system fresh with a debian 4 install iso :) |
| 18:25.23 | stew | DavidProck1981: becuase there are easier ways to install wine |
| 18:25.44 | faust_ | aptitude install wine for instance. |
| 18:25.48 | DavidProck1981 | brb, afk |
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| 18:26.20 | rdz | is there a way to check, if the mbr is correct? |
| 18:26.48 | devsforev | Is there any way to view what packages were recently installed via apt-get? |
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| 18:27.20 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:27.27 | devsforev | thank god |
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| 18:27.33 | devsforev | thanks abrotman |
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| 18:27.36 | jelly | DavidProck1981: if it came to build from source and there was a (non shiny) older version of the app in question in Debian, I'd do "apt-get build-dep package-name" first, to get hte pieces that Debian used to build the thing |
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| 18:28.14 | dutchfish | rdz, http://www.debianadmin.com/the-lniux-boot-process-explained.html |
| 18:28.21 | jelly | DavidProck1981: and then I'd try to build a backported package if the newer version was in unstable |
| 18:28.23 | anabain | stew, I've forced the installation but got this message: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 18:28.30 | jelly | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:28.35 | rdz | dutchfish, many thanks |
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| 18:29.18 | stew | anabain: aptitude isntall debianutils |
| 18:29.29 | garo | php-pear installed the empty file /usr/share/php/.depdblock when it unpacked, what's the use of this file ? |
| 18:29.43 | stew | anabain: wait, no |
| 18:29.49 | anabain | ok |
| 18:29.59 | stew | anabain: do you have debianutils installed? |
| 18:30.00 | anabain | yes |
| 18:30.25 | rdz | dutchfish, this doesn't server the attribute 'explained'.. :-( |
| 18:30.30 | rdz | *serve |
| 18:30.48 | anabain | stew, and also coreutils |
| 18:30.48 | stew | anabain: hmm, coreutils replaces debianutils |
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| 18:30.59 | dutchfish | rdz, you cant check, but if it dont boot you can rinstall mbr |
| 18:31.13 | stew | anabain: you should probably let aptitude upgrade coreutils which should remove debianutils |
| 18:31.18 | rdz | dutchfish, i tried, but it says: no active device |
| 18:31.20 | dutchfish | rdz, reinstall mbr* |
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| 18:31.29 | anabain | ok |
| 18:31.30 | garo | (I want to install a package that depends on php-pear, but i get the error : trying to overwrite `/usr/share/php/.depdblock', which is also in package php-pear) |
| 18:31.31 | rdz | dutchfish, this is what i am trying. |
| 18:31.47 | dutchfish | rdz, you need it to do it from a booted os for instance dos as explained on this link |
| 18:32.15 | anabain | stew, but they are both installed... what should I do? |
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| 18:32.43 | rdz | dutchfish, i know all that: i installed lilo again, and now it says: no boot signature in partition |
| 18:32.46 | dutchfish | rdz, or from a booted recue disk |
| 18:32.48 | rdz | dutchfish, what does that mean? |
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| 18:33.02 | rdz | dutchfish, i have an ubuntu live cd. this is not the problem |
| 18:33.19 | stew | anabain: let aptitude upgrade coreutils which should remove debianutils |
| 18:33.21 | rdz | dutchfish, my problem is, that i fail to reiinstall the mbr correctly |
| 18:33.24 | fraudster | I have never used debian before, care you be a good sales man :P |
| 18:33.24 | dutchfish | rdz, just run from a console fdisk /mbr |
| 18:33.37 | rdz | dutchfish, is that dos or linux? |
| 18:33.37 | stew | fraudster: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 18:34.07 | dutchfish | rdz, i would prefer a dos disk but i believe you can do this from linux too, anyone can fill me in? |
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| 18:34.37 | jpin | Any sugestion why since that 2.6.19 (that seems to include code for SMP) should run slower on a non-SMP pentium M? |
| 18:34.38 | dutchfish | rdz, hold on i check it out |
| 18:34.44 | fraudster | stew, how do you install a source package using the package management system ? |
| 18:34.47 | rdz | dutchfish, i did: start ubuntu live, then apt-get instal lilo, then 'lilo -M /dev/hda -C /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf' |
| 18:34.53 | stew | fraudster: apt-get source packagename |
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| 18:35.39 | rdz | dutchfish, then it quite looked like it was installed corrrectly |
| 18:35.40 | fraudster | stew, and that pulls the package download in source ? (.tar.gz or tar.b2 ?) |
| 18:36.04 | gpled | running debian 4.0. how do i just get firefox. everything seems to lead to iceweasel |
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| 18:36.12 | stew | fraudster: it pulls the original source and the debian packages, checks the md5sums, untars the original .tar.gz and applies the debian pacakges |
| 18:36.27 | stew | fraudster: err original source and the debian patches* |
| 18:36.29 | hark | gpled: that is firefox |
| 18:36.36 | sohmestra | gpled: iceweasel is firefox |
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| 18:36.39 | fraudster | heh |
| 18:36.46 | gpled | why not call it firefox? |
| 18:36.50 | Gambaroni | twobitsprite yes it exists.. |
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| 18:36.54 | sohmestra | gpled: google it. |
| 18:36.58 | fraudster | stew, umm.. where dose the source get kept (before getting installed) ? |
| 18:37.00 | hark | gpled: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 18:37.13 | stew | gpled: mozilla asked debian to change the name becuase we make changes to it like removing the non-free logos and adding patches for security |
| 18:37.19 | hark | fraudster: current directory |
| 18:37.21 | twobitsprite | Gambaroni: eh? |
| 18:37.29 | Gambaroni | twobitsprite? |
| 18:37.38 | stew | fraudster: "apt-get source foo" does everything in $PWD |
| 18:37.57 | fraudster | umm... that can get messy |
| 18:38.13 | twobitsprite | Gambaroni: "14:37 < Gambaroni> twobitsprite yes it exists.." ?? |
| 18:38.15 | hark | tias |
| 18:38.20 | stew | fraudster: umm. then make sure you are the directory where you what the source to be installed before you run it |
| 18:38.24 | Gambaroni | [20:17:05] <twobitsprite> Gambaroni: maybe you don't have a file named "linux" on your tftp server? |
| 18:39.18 | twobitsprite | Gambaroni: ohh, sorry... I forgot I said that |
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| 18:39.19 | fraudster | still prefer gentoo :D |
| 18:39.19 | jelly | fraudster: exactly 3 files and 1 directory messy. |
| 18:39.23 | stew | jelly: no, it could only be 2 files :) |
| 18:39.25 | Tallu | uhm, this may sound a bit stupid, but how do i enable iptables modules, such as iptable_nat, modprobe just says module not found. running etch with stock kernel |
| 18:39.37 | jelly | stew: hush (I know) |
| 18:39.43 | dutchfish | rdz, i dont know but with grub i can fix this with: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda ... for lilo i dont know |
| 18:39.43 | twobitsprite | Gambaroni: not sure... I haven't messed with PXE in a long time |
| 18:39.47 | stew | jelly: you said "exactly" :) |
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| 18:39.55 | jelly | stew: I lied! |
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| 18:40.00 | Gambaroni | twobitsprite ok |
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| 18:40.06 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 18:40.16 | TomyLobo | how is the php5 package supposed to work? |
| 18:40.24 | dutchfish | rdz, i would prefer this the dos way, that i am sur eoff it works |
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| 18:40.30 | TomyLobo | is it supposed to generate some config script or do i need to do that myself? |
| 18:40.44 | stew | TomyLobo: config script for what exactly? |
| 18:40.46 | garo | Do this 3 commands have the same effect : "apt-get install", "aptitude install", "dpkg -i" ? |
| 18:40.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ever since Etch reached stable, I've had *no* updates whatsoever. Once it reaches stable, are packages not ported to it any more? |
| 18:40.57 | hark | no |
| 18:41.02 | delight | garo: no |
| 18:41.04 | daniele_982 | hi this morning while i shutdown my knoppix it speaks: "init shutup sequence" is possible to abilitate it in debian? |
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| 18:41.16 | markybob | TomyLobo: there's a default conf but you can alter it if you want. /etc/php5/ |
| 18:41.28 | delight | dpkg does not download nore resolve dependencies |
| 18:41.31 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: That is the definition of stable (does not change) |
| 18:41.37 | Coweater | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg stable |
| 18:41.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, dammit. |
| 18:41.52 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: other than RC bug fixes and security updates |
| 18:41.54 | jelly | TomyLobo: possibly you need to enable the php handler in apache for .php files to be handled |
| 18:42.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | So do I need to change to Sid to keep getting updates? |
| 18:42.04 | delight | garo: and there is more |
| 18:42.05 | stew | garo: no, apt-get and aptitude will possibly download a new version and, if needed download dependencies and install those. aptitude will additionally mark dependencies as "auto installed" so that they can be automaticaally removed later. apt-get install and aptitude install could also cause other packages to be removed to resolve dependencies |
| 18:42.08 | TomyLobo | markybob sorry i forgot to mention i meant apache config |
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| 18:42.20 | stew | garo: aptitude or apt-get would call dpkg -i to actually install |
| 18:42.20 | fraudster | jelly, you female ? |
| 18:42.22 | Tallu | Dark_Apostrophe: uhm, you can use the new testing.. lenny |
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| 18:42.30 | stew | fraudster: please keep it on topic |
| 18:42.36 | markybob | TomyLobo: the "apache" php config is also in that dir. or did you mean not php at all? |
| 18:42.39 | daniele_982 | nothing?? |
| 18:42.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tallu: Ok, I just change etch to lenny? |
| 18:42.47 | garo | And can i do something like dpkg's "--force-overwrite" with aptitude or apt-get ? |
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| 18:42.56 | jelly | fraudster: for you, I could be anything |
| 18:42.58 | Tallu | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah, it is testing though. so you know the risks etc, might be breakage and such |
| 18:43.06 | outlaw84_ | http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/apt.1 <--- my apt is stuck :/ |
| 18:43.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah. |
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| 18:43.18 | stew | garo: with -o ; but in general you should never need to do that |
| 18:43.26 | TomyLobo | jelly i saw that mod-enabled directory where lots of modules have their configs linked. does mod_php come with such a file too? |
| 18:43.33 | Tallu | Dark_Apostrophe: you can also rename etch to "testing" instead of lenny to always keep to testing no matter the releases |
| 18:43.35 | fraudster | jelly, a transexual britney spears look-alike ? |
| 18:43.37 | jelly | TomyLobo: it does |
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| 18:43.51 | TomyLobo | first of all, what's the mod_php package? i have something like libmod-php-something here |
| 18:43.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tallu: Ok |
| 18:43.58 | rdz | dutchfish, ok. that is no option for me as i don't have a ms-dos disk available |
| 18:44.00 | stew | fraudster: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 18:44.04 | rdz | dutchfish, but thanks anyway |
| 18:44.07 | markybob | TomyLobo: apt-cache search php5 apache |
| 18:44.17 | dutchfish | rdz, a windows bootable cd would do nicely too |
| 18:44.24 | TomyLobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.32 | TomyLobo | that's the package i installed |
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| 18:44.47 | hark | !install php |
| 18:44.47 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
| 18:44.49 | jelly | TomyLobo: that's the one |
| 18:44.49 | rdz | anyway, i am sure it should be possible with linux.... that would be quite funny, if there wouldn't be a way to setip linux correctly without having to use another os |
| 18:44.50 | TomyLobo | but it didnt come with one of those mod-enabled/mod-available files |
| 18:44.56 | daniele_982 | markybob: you know it? |
| 18:45.07 | TomyLobo | ah |
| 18:45.09 | dutchfish | rdz, if you use windows from prompt its something like fdisk /fixmbr |
| 18:45.11 | rdz | dutchfish, but how should a windowsbootable cd install lilo? |
| 18:45.16 | TomyLobo | a2enmod, should have thought of that :P |
| 18:45.23 | dutchfish | rdz, no, only to reinstall mbr |
| 18:45.28 | rdz | dutchfish, but i want to install lilo.. am i amissing somethint? |
| 18:45.30 | rdz | dutchfish, ah ok |
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| 18:45.39 | TomyLobo | This module does not exist! |
| 18:45.39 | garo | stew: I'm running etch but needed php-image-graph (only in sid), i made a package of it, but when i try to install it then i get this error: |
| 18:45.45 | dutchfish | rdz, mbr = master boot record |
| 18:45.46 | markybob | daniele_982: i dont know what you're talking about. |
| 18:45.51 | rdz | dutchfish, i'll try that afterwars. first eating something... thank you vey much |
| 18:45.59 | dutchfish | rdz, cheers |
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| 18:46.13 | markybob | TomyLobo: what did you do? a2enmod php5 ? |
| 18:46.15 | garo | stew: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/php/.depdblock', which is also in package php-pear |
| 18:46.26 | TomyLobo | markybob yes |
| 18:46.28 | daniele_982 | markybob: his morning while i shutdown my knoppix it speaks: "init shutup sequence" is possible to abilitate it in debian? |
| 18:46.40 | TomyLobo | a2enmod php5 |
| 18:46.43 | daniele_982 | *this |
| 18:46.51 | mfrisch | !speakup |
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| 18:46.51 | dpkg | a set of kernel modules for linux that enables blind people to work at the linux console directly. see http://linux-speakup.org for details. |
| 18:46.52 | apk | That is so not a word. |
| 18:46.55 | Gambaroni | Someone that have installed Ubuntu using PXE, I'm using debian as server? When I boot the client and then loads the config file, it says: "Could not load kernel image: linux." Anyone =)? |
| 18:47.02 | markybob | daniele_982: abilitate isnt a word. and this isnt #knoppix |
| 18:47.25 | garo | sew: so i'll need -o , or is there a much better way of getting php-image-graph on my system ? |
| 18:47.39 | rahul | daniele_982: and what the hell is an init shutup? |
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| 18:47.44 | TomyLobo | daniele_982 not #kde either :) |
| 18:47.55 | mfrisch | daniele_982: did you read what dpkg said /msg dpkg speakup |
| 18:48.02 | TomyLobo | this looks like a kde problem, ask there |
| 18:48.23 | stew | garo: what is .depdblock ? why is it in your php-image-graph pacakge? |
| 18:48.31 | stew | garo: have you checked the bts to see if that is an error |
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| 18:49.09 | garo | I have no idea why it's in php-pear (part of etch) and php-image-graph (part of sid), it's a empty file ?!? |
| 18:49.17 | daniele_982 | lol my question isn't knoppix kde or so but is for debian |
| 18:49.24 | garo | i created php-image-graph from the source package in sid |
| 18:49.27 | stew | garo: remove it from your php-image-graph package then |
| 18:49.27 | hark | TomyLobo: do you have a php5.* in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ ? |
| 18:49.35 | mfrisch | daniele_982: please read what dpkg said! |
| 18:49.47 | dutchfish | Gambaroni, i dont know that much about it but maybe this helps: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Etch_Server_And_Diskless_EMC2_Thin_Clients |
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| 18:49.54 | daniele_982 | mfrisch: ??? |
| 18:50.06 | garo | stew: and how do i do that ? |
| 18:50.06 | jelly | mfrisch: dpkg didn't say anything debian specific |
| 18:50.12 | mfrisch | daniele_982: /msg dpkg speakup |
| 18:50.22 | mfrisch | jelly it |
| 18:50.32 | mfrisch | jelly it is not what he wants? |
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| 18:50.39 | daniele_982 | mfrisch: but in debian or in knoppix? |
| 18:50.56 | mfrisch | daniele_982: any linux it is a kernel module. |
| 18:50.58 | Thms | Gambaroni: #ubuntu |
| 18:51.13 | jelly | mfrisch: no, he wants to enable speakup in debian. |
| 18:51.45 | daniele_982 | ok jelly |
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| 18:51.49 | mfrisch | jelly well he has to know what he wants before he can do it. right? |
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| 18:51.56 | jelly | daniele_982: I'd check etch release notes to see if there is any speakup support |
| 18:52.09 | Gambaroni | dutchfish i'll take a look, ty |
| 18:52.28 | mfrisch | jelly is there debian speakup kernels on the mirrors? I have not seen them for awhile |
| 18:52.29 | jelly | mfrisch: He did say what he wanted, he wanted speakup to work in Debian like it did on Knoppix |
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| 18:52.50 | mortal | nnacht: nat module |
| 18:52.52 | stew | garo: add "rm -r debian/$(package)/usr/share/php/.depdblock" to the install target of debian/rules |
| 18:53.10 | nnacht | mortal: what exactly is the name of nat module? |
| 18:53.23 | jelly | !tell daniele_982 about release notes |
| 18:53.24 | mortal | nnacht: google |
| 18:53.27 | nnacht | mortal:modprobe what? |
| 18:53.30 | stew | garo: it looks like you should also consider making a patch out of that and posting it to a wishlish bug in the bts for the package, the maintainer would probably appriciate it |
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| 18:53.46 | NefariousPrior | nnacht: modprobe -l | grep nat | more |
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| 18:53.59 | stew | garo: seeing as he already had a line there to remove .lock, probably somehting changed and he didn't realize it |
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| 18:54.20 | xand | a ban is for life, not just for christmas! |
| 18:54.33 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.36 | stew | err |
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| 18:55.00 | xand | spy! |
| 18:55.11 | garo | stew: I'm sorry, but i have no idea what you mean :( |
| 18:55.19 | stew | i like that guy so much that i don't want to miss anything he says! |
| 18:55.23 | NefariousPrior | Who just got banned? lol |
| 18:55.27 | zoidy | what debian architecture should I download to install on an Intel Core 2 Duo, i386? |
| 18:55.30 | daniele_982 | jelly: but what i must search?? i don't know |
| 18:55.48 | jelly | daniele_982: well, search for "speakup" I guess |
| 18:55.50 | xand | etch installer offers to create you encrypted partitions... what program does it use to do that? |
| 18:55.52 | stew | garo: in the source package, the makefile that controls the building of the package is debian/rules . how did you build the source package? with what command? |
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| 18:56.28 | NefariousPrior | apt-cache search speakup == null |
| 18:56.44 | garo | apt-get -b source |
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| 18:57.35 | NefariousPrior | Is security.debian.org down? |
| 18:57.58 | NefariousPrior | I guess it's just really slow. |
| 18:58.01 | stew | garo: run "apt-get source php-image-graph" ; cd php-image-graph<tab> ; edit debian/rules ; add that rm line to the install: target, then run "dpkg-buildpacakge -us -rfakeroot" |
| 18:58.16 | xand | NefariousPrior: no, but probably busy |
| 18:58.25 | garo | Thanks ! i'm gonna try that |
| 18:58.49 | smacnay | Hi, I installed etch and have since added the 2.6.18-4-k7 initrd kernel to the default install kernel. Is it safe to remove the linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 and linux-image-2.6-486 packages from my machine now? |
| 18:58.49 | NefariousPrior | xand: New important update? |
| 18:58.50 | nihraguk | stupid fire alarm |
| 18:58.54 | stew | garo: and i was saying that you should run "reportbug php-image-graph" and report the bug to the maintainer, he'd probably appriciate it |
| 18:59.22 | garo | btw, i also tried that -o option for aptitude but that didn't work, the man tell me that i should also give it a key and a value option |
| 18:59.29 | jelly | daniele_982: to answer your query, there is no speakup in etch. |
| 18:59.37 | abrotman | at all ? |
| 18:59.41 | hark | smacnay: yes, if you want to.. |
| 18:59.48 | teclo | Okay, here's the problem... I'm using debmirror on a sarge machine to mirror the etch repository. THe problem is that the gpg keys fail to uhhh "authenticate" so I'd like to have apt-key for sarge. Should I install this backported package:http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.6.46.4-0.1~bpo.1_i386.deb .... I don't wanna kill apt on that sarge machine ! |
| 18:59.51 | garo | stew: will do |
| 18:59.55 | smacnay | hark: I may as well seeing as I never use it. |
| 19:00.04 | jelly | daniele_982: you could ask the knoppix guys what they use |
| 19:00.06 | stew | garo: thanks! |
| 19:00.13 | daniele_982 | jelly-home: ok i've lenny and nothing |
| 19:00.19 | stew | !info kernel-patch-speakup etch |
| 19:00.23 | xingu | jelly: oddly enough it's showing up in sid/amd64 |
| 19:00.39 | abrotman | !find speakup etch |
| 19:00.40 | jelly | xingu: yup. sid != etch |
| 19:00.40 | xingu | jelly: the kernel-patch that is. |
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| 19:00.52 | smacnay | hark: my last chore is to get my current initrd kernel to see the changes I made to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and NOT load a bunch of modules I don't want. |
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| 19:00.54 | abrotman | bot races! |
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| 19:01.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'speakup' returned no results. |
| 19:01.18 | stew | <dpkg> Package 'kernel-patch-speakup' does not exist. |
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| 19:01.54 | markybob | damnit. #vmware fucking sucks |
| 19:02.12 | TomyLobo | markybob what's the problem? |
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| 19:02.39 | xingu | jelly: it's in oldstable too, how odd. |
| 19:02.48 | markybob | TomyLobo: it's like a convention of the clueless in there. just pissing me off :) |
| 19:02.55 | jelly | xingu: not odd. RC bugs. |
| 19:03.01 | xingu | aah |
| 19:03.01 | TomyLobo | i mean what's the problem with your vmware? :) |
| 19:03.14 | jelly | xingu: keeps things out of stable |
| 19:03.26 | markybob | TomyLobo: i'm having vmi problems, but i dont wanna bring them in here...off topic and all. thanks though :) |
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| 19:03.56 | jelly | daniele_982: well, sounds like you found a feature that knoppix has and debian doesn't |
| 19:04.32 | daniele_982 | :( |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | the bot failed |
| 19:04.59 | abrotman | markybob: try a mozilla channel for something worse |
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| 19:05.28 | xingu | !tell smacnay about blacklist |
| 19:05.36 | AndroidData | hi. running debian/etch. I need MySQL server 4.1 and libmysqlclient12 but they're not in the list of packages. what do I do? |
| 19:05.56 | markybob | abrotman: it's just unfortunate ;) |
| 19:05.59 | smacnay | xingu: thanks but I have followed the blacklist and blacklist-initramfs info and can not stop specified modules from loading. |
| 19:06.13 | xingu | smacnay: which ones? |
| 19:06.23 | AndroidData | I tried downloading it from tyhe debian site but all they have uis the version for sarge & that version won't install because it needs libmysqlclient12 |
| 19:06.42 | smacnay | xingu: foredeth, bttv, bt878, sata, etc. About 12 or 13 in total. |
| 19:06.47 | stew | AndroidData: why do you need 4.1 and not 5.0? |
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| 19:07.05 | AndroidData | I have an application which relies on libmysqlclient10 and only is able to connect to 4.1 |
| 19:07.25 | smacnay | xingu: I don't use sata at all. I don't use the eth1 (forcedeth). No need for bttv on a boot. |
| 19:07.27 | stew | AndroidData: and this application can't be rebuilt against libmysqlclient15-off ? |
| 19:07.37 | AndroidData | *I* can't do this |
| 19:07.51 | stew | AndroidData: can *someone else* |
| 19:08.07 | AndroidData | yeah, the developers of the app. but I doubt they'll be willing to do it, they have a long list |
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| 19:09.18 | ajksdflkj | hey is there a better i945 driver for debian yet? |
| 19:09.28 | smacnay | xingu: I did a clean etch net install and found discover1 and some hotplug directories. I removed discover1 and renamed all my *discover* and *hotplug* directories and files to .bak. |
| 19:09.59 | GhostlyDeath | ajksdflkj: You get 915resolution? |
| 19:10.03 | ajksdflkj | yep |
| 19:10.14 | smacnay | xingu: I edited /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as specified in the dpkg instructions and re-ran update-intramfs. |
| 19:10.16 | ajksdflkj | but the problem is more that that. |
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| 19:10.30 | GhostlyDeath | ajksdflkj: You got a laptop or a desktop? |
| 19:10.31 | ajksdflkj | I want to get the 3d accleration to work |
| 19:10.32 | smacnay | xingu: reboot and all unwanted modules are still loaded. |
| 19:10.35 | ajksdflkj | laptop |
| 19:10.53 | xingu | smacnay: are the modules named in /etc/modules? |
| 19:10.56 | abrotman | smacnay: something else might require them |
| 19:11.04 | GhostlyDeath | ajksdflkj: I think 925resolution is just for 1280x800 |
| 19:11.05 | smacnay | xingu: no |
| 19:11.07 | GhostlyDeath | 915* |
| 19:11.07 | xingu | abrotman: not for forcedeth |
| 19:11.24 | SeanTater | I just did a "m-a a-i" and a bazillion modules are installing, but I only want madwifi -- envn legacy nvidia drivers ar einstalling, openafs, etc.. is that normal? |
| 19:11.45 | mfrisch | seanw: uh NO |
| 19:11.47 | markybob | bye-bye |
| 19:11.51 | GhostlyDeath | bye |
| 19:11.53 | smacnay | abrotman: I am wondering that but can't imagine what would call the tv capture card module (bttv) or foredeth. |
| 19:11.54 | xingu | smacnay: try update-initramfs -ctk `uname -r` |
| 19:12.19 | mfrisch | seanw: m-a a-i madwifi ????????????/ |
| 19:12.19 | smacnay | xingu: will do - create takeover kernel current got it |
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| 19:12.30 | stew | mfrisch: SeanTater is gone |
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| 19:12.40 | mfrisch | sorry |
| 19:12.40 | abrotman | smacnay: ah .. okay .. |
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| 19:13.24 | smacnay | xingu: could update-initramfs have hooks that are calling stuff in? |
| 19:13.36 | xingu | smacnay: for sata that's a distinct possibility. |
| 19:13.45 | NefariousPrior | How do I search for source packges in apt? |
| 19:13.45 | abrotman | sata needs tv! |
| 19:13.56 | xingu | smacnay: use forcedeth as your canary for now; that should definitely be blacklist-able. |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: you mean the source package for a binary package .. or all the -source packages ? |
| 19:14.20 | TomyLobo | NefariousPrior apt-cache search term1 term2 ... |
| 19:14.23 | smacnay | xingu: will do - I will edit the rest out with # and just focus on forcedeth |
| 19:14.34 | jelly | ajksdflkj: how does it not work? |
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| 19:14.55 | TomyLobo | dont forget to "aptitude update" first though if you want a really new package :) |
| 19:15.00 | NefariousPrior | Will, apt-cache search show source packages such as fglrx that I have to compile ? |
| 19:15.16 | xingu | smacnay: it's entirely probable that there's some initramfs-tools auto-foo that's deciding that you really need sata either directly or because it's a module dependancy for a fstab filesystem. |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: apt-cache -- search -source |
| 19:15.25 | NefariousPrior | ahh |
| 19:15.28 | abrotman | or apt-cache --names-only search source |
| 19:15.28 | h3sp4wn | NefariousPrior: You don't compile fglrx (just the kernel module for it) |
| 19:15.46 | NefariousPrior | h3sp4wn: I know, I was refering to the module. |
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| 19:16.07 | smacnay | xingu: how come the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file has install entries that start are "blacklist module_name" while my added entries are different (according to dpkg)? Should I be editing all the entries that were already created to reflect the /msg dpkg blacklist info? |
| 19:16.15 | xingu | smacnay: my guess for bttv would be that there's another hook that is explicilty insmod'ing it; modprobe should behave itself using the blacklist-hint method (install /bin/true) |
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| 19:16.38 | damkor | hi |
| 19:16.41 | chell | hi |
| 19:16.46 | bobgray | i just updated gnome. gnome-volume-manager is installed, and automounting is enabled, but when i attach a usb disk, it doesnt get automounted anymore |
| 19:16.58 | bobgray | pmount works fine though |
| 19:17.17 | damkor | I have a question here: what package provides libiconv.so.2 ? |
| 19:18.01 | stew | damkor: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:18.12 | stew | bobgray: what does "uanme -r" say? |
| 19:18.33 | SeanTater | I think I accidently had module assistant auto install everything, but I don;t really want EVERYTHING -- just madwifi -- is that a problem? |
| 19:18.38 | bobgray | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:18.48 | shay | uanme says command not found |
| 19:18.55 | stew | SeanTater: yeah, run "m-a a-i madwifi" not just "m-a a-i" |
| 19:19.03 | smacnay | xingu: when running 'update-initramfs -ctvk `uname -r` | grep forcedeth' - I still see forcedeth being added. |
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| 19:19.11 | xingu | smacnay: there's situations in which the blacklist keyword will be over-ridden; the install keyword however never should |
| 19:19.13 | SeanTater | stew: it's running now, can I CTRL-C it? |
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| 19:19.18 | stew | SeanTater: yes |
| 19:19.20 | SeanTater | okay |
| 19:19.31 | stew | bobgray: did it ever work? |
| 19:19.35 | bobgray | i did update the kernel as well, but its a stock kernel so the stuff should be the same |
| 19:19.37 | chell | compared to other distributions, how much does debian re-brand things like gnome or kde? |
| 19:19.39 | xingu | smacnay: yeah, that's fine; that's just putting the module onto the initramfs image; what matters is what happens next - whether or not it is able to modprobe it. |
| 19:19.42 | smacnay | xingu: after putting 'install forcedeth /bin/true' in blacklist. |
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| 19:19.55 | stew | bobgray: maybe try "/etc/init.d/dbus restart" |
| 19:19.57 | bobgray | it worked yesterday, with kernel 2.6.18-3 and gnome 2.14 |
| 19:20.01 | smacnay | xingu: well I can boot and find out/ |
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| 19:20.14 | bobgray | i've restarted plenty |
| 19:20.19 | smacnay | xingu: does order matter in the blacklist file? |
| 19:20.23 | siachris | Any idea why aptitude would want to uninstall KDE when I try to use install? |
| 19:20.27 | scud_ | hello can someone help me, i'm looking for repos Debian etch 4.0 |
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| 19:20.41 | stew | scud_: goto debian.org, click on "Getting Debian" |
| 19:20.53 | xingu | smacnay: for forcedeth, the calling chain should be udev-event -> udev.d script -> modprobe |
| 19:20.56 | stew | siachris: what exactly command did you type? |
| 19:21.09 | MmikeDOMA | What is the name of the package/software one can use to recoved lost partitions or even lost jpeg/gif/bmp/... and other files? there is a debian package, I just can't remembed the name... |
| 19:21.11 | siachris | aptitude install Kgamma |
| 19:21.18 | xingu | smacnay: no, order shouldn't matter; it's just controlling what modprobe will/won't do for that module. |
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| 19:21.32 | h3sp4wn | MmikeDOMA: unlikely to work unless you are using ext2 |
| 19:21.33 | stew | siachris: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:21.37 | siachris | etch |
| 19:21.41 | xingu | smacnay: unless on the rare chance that there's *another* modprobe.d/* file that also specifies an install action for forcedeth |
| 19:21.43 | markybob | siachris: which fs? |
| 19:21.45 | xingu | smacnay: ... unlikely. |
| 19:22.08 | MmikeDOMA | h3sp4wn, no, no, it doesn't care for the filesystem, it search for the data, and, I guess, can recognize jpeg/bmp/whatever headers/patterns... |
| 19:22.12 | smacnay | xingu: I will search for modprobe files. |
| 19:22.13 | siachris | I don't know what fs is |
| 19:22.27 | Ronin | siachris: file system |
| 19:22.28 | scud_ | stew: i mean /apt/ |
| 19:22.30 | stew | siachris: can you put "apt-cache policy kde kgamma" and the output of command you are running into a pastebin? |
| 19:22.32 | h3sp4wn | MmikeDOMA: If you are using a journalling filesystem any of those tools will not work |
| 19:22.42 | markybob | siachris: filesystem. which probably means you have ext3. which also means you're screwed |
| 19:22.53 | siachris | why screwed? |
| 19:22.53 | stew | scud_: /msg dpkg mirrors ; man sources.list |
| 19:22.57 | MmikeDOMA | h3sp4wn, I used it once to recoved some images from my XDpictureCard... |
| 19:23.01 | siachris | I'm new to all of this linux. |
| 19:23.02 | MmikeDOMA | recover! |
| 19:23.03 | markybob | siachris: because recovering in ext3 doesnt really work |
| 19:23.04 | MmikeDOMA | not recoved :) |
| 19:23.08 | scud_ | stew ok thanx |
| 19:23.12 | stew | markybob: what are you talking about? |
| 19:23.18 | enouf | MmikeDOMA: ddrescue? |
| 19:23.24 | stew | markybob: what does recovering and ext3 have to do with kde? |
| 19:23.34 | MmikeDOMA | enouf, nope |
| 19:23.43 | h3sp4wn | MmikeDOMA: that was fat32 though possibly |
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| 19:23.56 | stew | siachris: you can ignore markybob |
| 19:23.57 | MmikeDOMA | it recognises wide range of media files |
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| 19:24.00 | markybob | stew: heh. my bad. wrong nick :) MmikeDOMA is who i meant to send that stuff to. thanks for catching it |
| 19:24.11 | siachris | I made the disc about 2 days before 4 was released |
| 19:24.12 | snowbird | how do i tell how much ram in my pc? |
| 19:24.15 | enouf | MmikeDOMA: see this too http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html |
| 19:24.30 | stew | snowbird: cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 19:25.21 | snowbird | how do i see if 512 showing up? |
| 19:25.34 | MmikeDOMA | enouf, cool, thnx :) but that's not it.... i tought someone might know the name.... |
| 19:25.37 | xingu | MmikeDOMA: there's debugfs ... |
| 19:25.42 | MmikeDOMA | I should probalby ease-up on weed :) |
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| 19:26.03 | stew | snowbird: what does "grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo" say? |
| 19:26.10 | MmikeDOMA | xingu, nope.... this is a image recovery utility, I think... but it comes bundeled with a software to/for fixing partitions.... |
| 19:26.28 | Kor | hello all |
| 19:26.32 | Kor | please help if can |
| 19:26.40 | Kor | I am using Debian Etch |
| 19:26.43 | xingu | MmikeDOMA: as in, picture image, or as in, filesystem image? |
| 19:26.47 | snowbird | 516832 |
| 19:26.54 | snowbird | thats my 512 yeah ahw |
| 19:26.54 | smacnay | xingu: strange seeing as this was a virgin install - I did note that discover and hotplug directories were present after the install so maybe there are some glitches with those. I will try to reboot and see if forcedeth is left out. |
| 19:26.59 | Kor | and trying to get Zyxel ADSL modem connected |
| 19:27.14 | snowbird | if sees 512 no dead ram |
| 19:27.25 | snowbird | kor not hard |
| 19:27.44 | snowbird | i ha adsl go to pppoe tool and enter user name data |
| 19:27.46 | Kor | and while entering parameters for the module "xusbatm" for the modem |
| 19:28.04 | ErikRose | I have had it with my box closing ssh sessions after inactivity. How can I make that stop? |
| 19:28.06 | stew | Kor: please don't use <enter> in place of punctuation |
| 19:28.11 | Kor | snowbird: but the system is not detecting the modem yet |
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| 19:28.20 | snowbird | ok kor |
| 19:28.22 | xand | ErikRose: incoming or outgoing? |
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| 19:28.31 | ErikRose | xand: incoming |
| 19:28.31 | snowbird | kor i use speedstream modem |
| 19:28.39 | Kor | modprobe xusbatm vendor=0x06b9 product=0xa5a5 rx_endpoint=0x87 tx_endpoint=0x07 rx_altsetting=1 tx_altsetting=1 |
| 19:28.50 | stew | ErikRose: your box isn't, some router in between probably whatever router is performing NAT |
| 19:28.56 | xingu | smacnay: I've got one hotplug/blacklist.d and also several discover.d/ courtesy linux-sound-base |
| 19:28.56 | Kor | that is what I enter for the parameter |
| 19:29.02 | Kor | but get this error message: |
| 19:29.07 | xingu | smacnay: it shouldn't really trouble things if those files exist. |
| 19:29.07 | jelly | MmikeDOMA: magicrescue ? |
| 19:29.12 | MmikeDOMA | xingu, picture image |
| 19:29.13 | Kor | FATAL: Error inserting xusbatm (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/kernel/drivers/usb/atm/xusbatm.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter |
| 19:29.23 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, wo-ha! nope :) |
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| 19:29.27 | ErikRose | stew: There's no NAT going on. Is it still a router's fault, d'ya think? |
| 19:29.27 | smacnay | xingu: me too. I moved them to different names. |
| 19:29.34 | MmikeDOMA | Never mind, I'll find it somehow, google is my friend! :) |
| 19:29.50 | stew | ErikRose: yes |
| 19:29.51 | Kor | have googled around and the only place about the parameters is: |
| 19:29.55 | Kor | http://zyxel630-11.sourceforge.net/uniwakka/wakka.php?wakka=xusbatm |
| 19:29.58 | ErikRose | stew: Curses. Thanks. |
| 19:30.00 | Kor | doesn't help :-( |
| 19:30.01 | stew | ErikRose: well, not definately |
| 19:30.12 | xand | ErikRose: do you have TCPKeepAlive enabled in your sshd_config? |
| 19:30.13 | enouf | Kor: you've seen modinfo for avail params? |
| 19:30.15 | Kor | this modem is the only thing keeping me in win right now |
| 19:30.19 | ajksdflkj | jelly you still around? |
| 19:30.24 | stew | ErikRose: what xand said |
| 19:30.39 | Kor | enouf: modinfo? no, should I just type modinfo in the console? |
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| 19:30.48 | ErikRose | xand: I have plain old "KeepAlive" on. |
| 19:30.58 | jelly | ajksdflkj: for a few minutes, yes |
| 19:30.58 | enouf | Kor: modinfo <modulename> |
| 19:31.24 | Kor | enouf: i see, ok I will try it now, but first need to reboot first :-( |
| 19:31.34 | MmikeDOMA | I found it!! |
| 19:31.37 | MmikeDOMA | testdisk |
| 19:31.37 | Kor | will be back |
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| 19:31.46 | MmikeDOMA | and the image recovery program is called photorec |
| 19:31.53 | Matthew_ | how would i go about decompiling a flash object |
| 19:31.54 | xand | ErikRose: try disabling it (and adding TCPKeepAlive no) |
| 19:31.54 | MmikeDOMA | and it's all part of the testdisk package :) |
| 19:32.03 | ErikRose | xand: okay |
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| 19:32.04 | smacnay | xingu: I will reboot and see where things stand. |
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| 19:32.07 | smacnay | brb |
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| 19:32.28 | enouf | MmikeDOMA: ahh testdisk and INSERT and such |
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| 19:32.59 | snowbird | how do i mem test? |
| 19:33.16 | MmikeDOMA | enouf, actually I needed photorec :) but I knew it goes with some partition-utill stuff... what is INSERT? |
| 19:33.23 | smacnay | oh, btw, to move from etch to lenny, just alter the source list for apt? I sort of want to keep on the testing cycle. |
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| 19:33.46 | derobert_work | smacnay: yep |
| 19:33.47 | jelly | ajksdflkj: can you paste glxinfo | egrep 'direct rendering|OpenGL renderer string' |
| 19:33.59 | derobert_work | smacnay: and if you just want to stay on testing, put 'testing' in there instead of 'lenny' |
| 19:34.06 | earthian | hello what would be the most graphics consuming game for linux (debian) that i could play and test my system on? |
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| 19:34.23 | enouf | http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html MmikeDOMA |
| 19:34.32 | smacnay | derobert_work: thanks |
| 19:34.55 | mfrisch | earthian: nexiuz is pretty demanding |
| 19:35.03 | earthian | i see. will try. thanks |
| 19:35.12 | ErikRose | xand, stew: I'll see how that treats me. Thanks! :-) |
| 19:35.14 | mfrisch | earthian: and BIG |
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| 19:35.29 | MmikeDOMA | enouf, great! |
| 19:35.32 | earthian | BIG as name or as size? |
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| 19:35.45 | mfrisch | earthian: size. |
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| 19:35.59 | mfrisch | earthian: let me make sure I spelled it correct |
| 19:36.30 | mfrisch | earthian: nexuiz |
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| 19:36.43 | smacnay | xingu: you don't have discover installed do you? |
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| 19:38.14 | earthian | yes |
| 19:38.40 | earthian | i get average 400 FPS on it with best quality, 1280x1024 and 16x AA |
| 19:38.54 | earthian | what do you think is it ok? |
| 19:39.10 | mfrisch | earthian: I would be happy. |
| 19:39.29 | earthian | i have geforce 8800 gtx tho |
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| 19:39.54 | earthian | i am just wondering if I get what i paid for :p |
| 19:40.02 | earthian | will try later on windows |
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| 19:40.30 | js_ | what is the difference between the xen vserver image and the other one? |
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| 19:41.42 | smacnay | wow, no wonder etch had few updates recently. It was released. Lenny has203 MB of updates. |
| 19:41.48 | MmikeDOMA | earthian, you should try beryl/compiz stuff if you want to employ your GPU |
| 19:42.14 | earthian | i will for sure ;) |
| 19:42.16 | smacnay | beryl looks really cool but also very intensive. |
| 19:42.31 | mfrisch | beryl is overkill |
| 19:43.03 | hiitsme | is testing newer than stable already?? |
| 19:43.05 | MmikeDOMA | it is... and it gets annoying over time... |
| 19:43.08 | junix|work | question, i am getting ready to update my Debian 3.1r6 to 4.0, have their been any problems with samba/nfs/vsftpd/ssh that I need to be worried about? |
| 19:43.09 | hiitsme | lenny? |
| 19:43.13 | smacnay | mfrisch: I agree but it makes the Windows people wonder just how cool their new task-selection util is. |
| 19:43.22 | hiitsme | is lenny newer than etch? |
| 19:43.26 | raz0 | yes |
| 19:43.32 | mfrisch | smacnay: it is fun to play with! |
| 19:43.34 | raz0 | etch = stable, lenny = testing |
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| 19:43.49 | hiitsme | yes, but doesnt it have the same packages as etch? |
| 19:43.52 | hiitsme | still |
| 19:44.11 | raz0 | some are newer, some are the same |
| 19:44.30 | hiitsme | is it as stable as etch was in testing? |
| 19:44.35 | raz0 | no |
| 19:44.44 | hiitsme | :( |
| 19:44.47 | hiitsme | why not? |
| 19:44.48 | raz0 | etch was only stable in testing because it was close to release |
| 19:44.54 | hiitsme | ok |
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| 19:44.59 | hiitsme | thanx |
| 19:45.02 | raz0 | good rule of thumb is to hold back on upgrading to testing right after a stable release :p |
| 19:45.09 | raz0 | all hell usually breaks loose |
| 19:45.37 | mfrisch | raz0: not as bad this release.... |
| 19:45.47 | teclo | Okay, here's the problem... I'm using debmirror on a sarge machine to mirror the etch repository. THe problem is that the gpg keys fail to uhhh "authenticate" so I'd like to have apt-key for sarge. Should I install this backported package:http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.6.46.4-0.1~bpo.1_i386.deb .... I don't wanna kill apt on that sarge machine ! |
| 19:45.52 | raz0 | ok, still a good rule of thumb. :) |
| 19:46.05 | h3sp4wn | and if testing does break it takes much longer to get fixed (worth remembering that) |
| 19:46.39 | hiitsme | so if i want new packages its better to use ubuntu? |
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| 19:48.41 | ooglaboogla | hello, i've been getting this type of message all day and google is of no help thus far |
| 19:48.42 | ooglaboogla | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 19:48.44 | smacnay | raz0: hehe - here I am downloading a ton of "lenny" stuff... maybe I will cancel and wait a bit. |
| 19:49.00 | ooglaboogla | i get it with other repos as well |
| 19:49.09 | mfrisch | ooglaboogla: goto the site and read the release notes |
| 19:49.11 | rahul | silly camel. |
| 19:49.17 | rahul | antlers are for moose! |
| 19:49.22 | raz0 | smacnay, I think it was worse last time, what with xfree86 -> xorg and all. |
| 19:49.34 | derobert_work | I'm trying to figure out why gv suddenly broke for large-width postscript files. It worked last week... Now I get: ERROR: /unknownerror in --%op_show_continue--ESP Ghostscript 815.03: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
| 19:49.36 | smacnay | raz0: yes, that was a bit of a hiccup. |
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| 19:49.59 | raz0 | I'm sticking to etch for at least a couple of months, I guess. |
| 19:50.02 | abrotman | is there a way to have 'df' show actual vs real used space ? |
| 19:50.06 | derobert_work | Running etch here, completely up to date. It might have been an update that did it... |
| 19:50.14 | raz0 | smacnay, Not much new stuff to get in lenny anyway, I guess. |
| 19:50.30 | ooglaboogla | mfrisch: I don't see any release notes |
| 19:50.32 | smacnay | anyone decipher this error on a cd drive that dies a few hours after boot? : hdd: status error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } / hdd: status error: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand } / ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
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| 19:50.36 | ooglaboogla | on that site |
| 19:50.42 | sepski | !release notes |
| 19:50.42 | dpkg | hmm... release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 19:50.47 | abrotman | smacnay: either need DMA .. or it's dying .. or a bad CD |
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| 19:51.37 | livingdaylight | hi, is etch ready now? |
| 19:51.46 | abrotman | /topic ? |
| 19:51.47 | rahul | livingdaylight: /topic |
| 19:51.48 | mfrisch | ooglaboogla: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 19:51.54 | rahul | ffs. |
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| 19:52.19 | ooglaboogla | mfrisch: i see that Ive installed the keyring package thanks |
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| 19:52.31 | abrotman | noone answers my questions :( |
| 19:52.34 | mfrisch | ooglaboogla: it is still doing it? |
| 19:52.59 | mfrisch | abrotman: you got ??? I will answer/ |
| 19:53.04 | ooglaboogla | mfrisch: no I its working now. for that repo, still need one for randall's nvidia site |
| 19:53.05 | Math^ | hello, i have almost finished the debian etch install, but when i try to install grub/lilo it failed, how can install it? |
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| 19:53.30 | xingu | smacnay: no, no discover installed; just the lint left by linux-sound-base. |
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| 19:53.44 | abrotman | is there a way to have 'df' show actual vs real used space ? |
| 19:53.47 | ooglaboogla | sorry rdonald |
| 19:53.50 | jpin | Hi, how can i see the schedule priority of the running processes (nice value) ? |
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| 19:55.15 | mfrisch | abrotman: I though that is what it did? |
| 19:55.20 | derobert_work | Hmmm, downgrading libx11-6 fixed it... bug report time :-( |
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| 19:55.29 | abrotman | mfrisch: it doesn't say which it actually does |
| 19:55.32 | Kor | i did the modinfo xusbatm and get this |
| 19:55.37 | Kor | http://rafb.net/p/GrsgWr91.html |
| 19:55.51 | markybob | abrotman: i wonder if you'll have better luck in #bash ...wish i knew the answer for ya |
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| 19:56.16 | asg | jpin: look in the ps manpage for 'nice' |
| 19:56.20 | Kor | again i have checked all the links google gave and nothing to help with these parameters for xusbatm module :-( |
| 19:56.33 | jpin | asg thanks |
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| 19:56.52 | abrotman | markybob: it'll just be another useless channel! |
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| 19:57.22 | mfrisch | abrotman: I am failing to understand the difference. I am no programmer ;-) |
| 19:57.33 | Kor | how else to find about the parameters for a module? |
| 19:58.11 | mfrisch | abrotman: are you talking about discrepencies? like the difference in df and pydf? |
| 19:58.22 | abrotman | mfrisch: such as putting a 2k file in a 4k block |
| 19:58.26 | asg | Kor: you could read the source code |
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| 19:58.48 | Kor | asg: unfortunately, i am not programmer :-( |
| 19:58.53 | fasta | http://channels.debian.net/paste/6051 <- opera segfaulting error message |
| 19:59.13 | asg | Kor: consider this an opportunity to learn |
| 19:59.31 | hiitsme | what is da best client for downloading warez for debian?!?!?? |
| 19:59.49 | mfrisch | apt get!!!!!!!aptitude!!!!!! |
| 19:59.50 | Kor | asg: :-) actually i am starting to learn it, but i want to switch to linux from windows as soon as possible |
| 19:59.50 | fasta | !warez |
| 19:59.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
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| 20:00.09 | hiitsme | i dont need to run it |
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| 20:00.12 | hiitsme | i want movie |
| 20:00.12 | hiitsme | !! |
| 20:00.18 | Kor | asg: and this modem stuff is the only thing holding me in win, can't get it connected under debian |
| 20:00.18 | hiitsme | tell me please |
| 20:00.26 | CharminTheMoose | hiitsme, go ask somewhere else |
| 20:00.28 | hark | !dbugs 418016 |
| 20:00.31 | dpkg | #418016:N[libx11-6] Recent security update of libx11-6 (1.0.3-7) made opera segfault; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:03:02 UTC |
| 20:00.37 | hiitsme | where chaa? |
| 20:00.38 | fasta | !annoy hiitsme |
| 20:00.44 | asg | Kor: if this is a standard linux kernel module, the Documentation/ directory of the src for the kernel might give you some hints. |
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| 20:00.56 | stew | hiitsme: warez and pirated material are off-topic on this network |
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| 20:01.02 | hark | hehe |
| 20:01.13 | Azure | hi |
| 20:01.23 | Kor | asg: no documentation for xusbatm :-( |
| 20:01.42 | Kor | only this site: http://zyxel630-11.sourceforge.net/uniwakka/wakka.php?wakka=xusbatm |
| 20:01.43 | Azure | can anyone help me with xorg config on DELL Latitude 620 |
| 20:01.51 | Azure | i just can't start the xserver |
| 20:01.55 | asg | Kor: you might email the developer and ask perhaps? |
| 20:02.04 | hark | Azure: what error are you getting? |
| 20:02.09 | Azure | i am using i945 chip set |
| 20:02.20 | Kor | asg: perhaps he is busy or perhaps he is ignoring, i have sent him one 3 weeks ago |
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| 20:02.22 | asg | Azure: use the i810 or vesa X driver |
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| 20:02.31 | Azure | i am using it |
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| 20:02.52 | asg | Azure: then hark's question should be answered |
| 20:03.00 | Kor | asg: i think i have tried all the possibilities and nothing is helping, guess I will need to wait for 2 more months and get a modem with ethernet |
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| 20:03.47 | Azure | but it gives me this : I810 No video BIOS modes for chosen depth and Screen found but none have a usable configuration |
| 20:03.53 | Azure | any ideas ? |
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| 20:04.55 | Azure | ??? |
| 20:05.23 | hark | maybe you need to use 915resolution |
| 20:05.36 | asg | Azure: you might look at some of the info or X configs listed at tuxmobile.org for your model |
| 20:06.06 | hark | Azure: anything else with grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 20:08.12 | Kor | ok, bye all |
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| 20:08.18 | Kor | take care |
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| 20:11.01 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to install the mbr from a livecd. i do as root 'lilo -C /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf -M /dev/hda' and it says, that it was succesfully installed. but when i boot, i get an error |
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| 20:11.49 | earthian | !error |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 20:11.58 | earthian | ups |
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| 20:15.09 | rdz | hm.. 'lilo_find_mbr' says 'unionfs'. does that mean, the mbr wasn't installed on /dev/hda? |
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| 20:15.30 | mfrisch | rdz: yes |
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| 20:15.56 | rdz | mfrisch, you know what i am supposed to do in order to do it correctly? |
| 20:16.05 | rdz | i tried -M /dev/hda |
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| 20:16.11 | rdz | and -A /dev/hda 1 |
| 20:16.40 | keith80403 | Azure, Try using the "simple" method of setting screen resolution and see if that works. Might also reduce the color depth to 16 bits or 8 bits to see if X will even start up. I fought a problem like this yesterday (but on a regular CRT.) |
| 20:16.43 | mfrisch | rdz: I was a hardcore lilo for awhile...use grub these days...let me look |
| 20:16.46 | rdz | ah, sorry. it looks like everythinh is ok, right? |
| 20:16.54 | dountby | does anyone know where to get newer packages of alsa for sarge then the default-ones? |
| 20:17.41 | dkr | dountby: by upgrading to etch. :) |
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| 20:18.05 | mfrisch | rdz: you should be able to do liloconfig (make sure lilo.conf is sain) then run lilo. |
| 20:18.07 | rdz | mfrisch, no, debian installed grub when i installed the system for the first time. but i coulsn't boot, don't know why exactly. even my sysadmin coudn't heop. then we tried lilo and it worked... the problem is that i am copying a backup on a fresh hd. that is why there is no lilo installed |
| 20:18.14 | tvynr | I was wondering if I might ask some assistance in building a simple Debian package. There are two relatively small Python scripts, both of which refer to a third, common Python module. There are a couple of associated configuration files and the like. The process of constructing a Debian package for this seems to be... very difficult. |
| 20:18.25 | rdz | mfrisch, i should first run liloconfig, then lilo? |
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| 20:18.35 | mfrisch | rdz: yup. |
| 20:18.43 | rdz | the lilo.conf should be sane, since it is the same that worked before |
| 20:19.00 | dountby | dkr: i dont know if thats a good idea - itÅ› an old laptop that needs every bit of speed it can get |
| 20:19.20 | dkr | dountby: you could check backports |
| 20:19.22 | mfrisch | rdz: lilo is usually ran by its self something is wrong for you to need all these extra flags |
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| 20:19.27 | rdz | mfrisch, but doesn't liloconfig overwrite my working lilo.conf? |
| 20:19.29 | dountby | dkr: besides - everything works - bedides sound |
| 20:19.44 | dountby | dkr: where do i get them? |
| 20:19.55 | mfrisch | rdz: with a new one (usually working) |
| 20:20.01 | rdz | mfrisch, i use these flags, because i am running a cd, i did not boot from /dev/hda |
| 20:21.35 | mfrisch | rdz: did you chroot properly? |
| 20:21.35 | dkr | dpkg: tell dountby abotu backports |
| 20:21.36 | dkr | dpkg: tell dountby about backports |
| 20:21.36 | rdz | i tried before with chroot /mnt/hda1, then 'lilo' |
| 20:21.36 | mfrisch | rdz: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 20:21.36 | rdz | but then i get errors... |
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| 20:21.37 | mfrisch | rdz: did that tell you |
| 20:21.37 | rdz | !fixmbr |
| 20:21.37 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 20:21.41 | rdz | hehe, that is the explanation for gub |
| 20:21.51 | mfrisch | rdz: do that and change the to lilo |
| 20:21.54 | rdz | but i didn't do the mount /proc |
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| 20:22.06 | rdz | i'll try.. many thanks so far.. |
| 20:22.21 | mfrisch | rdz: do liloconfig too. |
| 20:22.28 | rdz | i have to wait, until the othe partions backup is finished |
| 20:22.41 | dountby | dkr: ??? |
| 20:22.56 | dkr | dountby: please use english |
| 20:23.22 | rdz | mfrisch, can i do 'chroot', while i am copying a partition to another? |
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| 20:23.34 | mfrisch | rdz: just wait. but yes |
| 20:23.45 | dountby | dkr: what do you mean: "dpkg: tell dountby abotu backports" ? |
| 20:24.13 | dkr | dountby: well, the second command, where I spelled about properly, instructed the bot to send you a message tellign you abotu abckports and where to get them |
| 20:24.48 | mfrisch | dkr: ha ha |
| 20:25.05 | dountby | dkr: oh - sorry - there actually is something :-)) |
| 20:25.57 | rdz | mfrisch, when doing 'chroot /mnt/hda1' and then 'lilo', i get: fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda") |
| 20:26.04 | rdz | what does that mean? |
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| 20:26.21 | rdz | when i do lilo with the flags i told you before, then lilo doesn't complain.. why? |
| 20:26.32 | rdz | but with the flags, it still doesn't work.. |
| 20:26.42 | scruffy | this apt public key business is completely retarded. even the suggestions provided by the bot don't solve anything. |
| 20:27.00 | mfrisch | rdz: uhm you should get grub to work...lilo does not do advanced partitions well. and takes hacking to get to work |
| 20:27.24 | rdz | mfrisch, but i partitioned the new hd as the old one was |
| 20:27.28 | Fuwex | I've set chgrp to the correct group and chmod to the correct values (not sure about flags though) on my directory, however when I create new files, they don't inherit these permissions. How do I make the permissions apply to new files as well? |
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| 20:27.52 | fasta | How can I disable Google text ads in Opera? |
| 20:27.58 | rdz | can i change to grub, althouh it was not installed on my backup? |
| 20:27.58 | dkr | Fuwex: that is modified by your umask |
| 20:28.19 | rdz | i mean, can i install grub from livecd, so that grub works with /dev/hda1? |
| 20:28.24 | Fuwex | dkr: hmm, alright |
| 20:28.48 | mfrisch | rdz: aptitude install grub && update-grub && grub-install /dev/harddiskmbr |
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| 20:29.10 | gRaCi0s0 | i have this problem when i start my squid http://rafb.net/p/QWSN9c85.html anyone know? |
| 20:29.14 | rdz | harddiskmbr means hda in my case? |
| 20:29.17 | Ratchet | where can I limit the users which are allowed to su root? |
| 20:29.18 | abrotman | fasta: ask #opera on irc.opera.com |
| 20:29.21 | mfrisch | rdz: yes |
| 20:29.24 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 20:29.30 | abrotman | Ratchet: don't give them the password ? |
| 20:29.34 | rdz | mfrisch, thank a lot.... i tried that |
| 20:29.51 | mfrisch | rdz: don't thank me till it works. |
| 20:29.55 | rdz | mfrisch, shouldn't i do chroot first? |
| 20:30.00 | DavidProck1981 | i think i got my problems fixed with wine |
| 20:30.02 | mfrisch | rdz: yes. |
| 20:30.05 | rdz | ok |
| 20:30.12 | DavidProck1981 | about to see |
| 20:30.18 | rdz | should i apt-get install it when i am chrooted, or before' |
| 20:30.27 | Ratchet | abrotman: it's not possible in debian? |
| 20:30.32 | mfrisch | rdz: you are putting grub on the chroot (if it is not there) |
| 20:30.39 | rdz | mfrisch, ok |
| 20:30.59 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: looks to me like the configuration options on those lines may have changed their syntax after you upgraded squid? |
| 20:31.03 | Fuwex | dkr, can I set the umask for a particular directory or just the general umask for the user? |
| 20:31.31 | stew | Fuwex: its not settable per directory |
| 20:31.34 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: that's my best guess |
| 20:31.39 | Fuwex | ok stew |
| 20:31.51 | tvynr | I was wondering if I might ask some assistance in building a simple Debian package. There are two relatively small Python scripts, both of which refer to a third, common Python module. There are a couple of associated configuration files and the like. The process of constructing a Debian package for this seems to be needlessly complex and I'm having trouble finding a decent step-by-step guide. |
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| 20:32.24 | rdz | mfrisch, i don't have a /dev/hda when i am chrooted |
| 20:32.30 | dkr | Fuwex: youcan can set the setgid bit so that files created ina dir niherit groupownership, but the normal situation, the owner/group/permissions are based on the user creatng file, not the location |
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| 20:32.46 | stew | tvynr: for python modules, i'd recommend looking at cdbs, find some other python module that build-depends on cdbs |
| 20:32.51 | Fuwex | dkr, hmm, ok |
| 20:32.52 | abrotman | Ratchet: it's not a debian package |
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| 20:32.59 | rdz | since this is a backup. i didn't backup the /dev/ directory |
| 20:33.04 | Fuwex | well, I'll save the problem for later as at the moment it's not a big issue |
| 20:33.14 | stew | tvynr: normally cdbs is a little too much magic, but for things like python modules that are so uniformly packaged, it makes things pretty easy |
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| 20:33.36 | JordiGH | I have a mixed testing/unstable system. Is there an easy way to see how many packages I have installed from each source? |
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| 20:33.58 | mfrisch | rdz: try /dev/.static/dev/hda |
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| 20:34.09 | tvynr | stew: So I could just wave my .py files in a directory structure at it and it'll build a package that'll compile then on postinst? *hope hope* I'll take a look. |
| 20:34.22 | Ratchet | abrotman: I would just like to know if there is the possibility. and if, where to set it. that's all :-) |
| 20:34.53 | stew | tvynr: hmm, i've only done it for python that was already using distutils |
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| 20:35.09 | stew | tvynr: you might also ask in #debian-python on irc.debian.org |
| 20:35.13 | tvynr | ah |
| 20:35.17 | putridp | i can't find 'lspci' on aptitude (in etech), does come with another package? |
| 20:35.20 | tvynr | stew: 'kay, thanks. I'll give that a try. |
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| 20:35.50 | abrotman | Ratchet: right .. i'm telling you to ask them |
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| 20:36.42 | putridp | thanks everyone |
| 20:36.55 | mfrisch | rdz: did you bind proc and dev to the new chroot? |
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| 20:36.57 | gRaCi0s0 | scruffy, whay am i doing bad did u see my pastebin? |
| 20:36.58 | gRaCi0s0 | what* |
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| 20:37.03 | rdz | mfrisch, no, how to do that? |
| 20:37.05 | breadstick | Hello all |
| 20:37.11 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: I do not use squid, but based on the error that you are seeing, I would check to make sure httpd_accel_port, for example, is still the correct configuration option. If you upgraded squid, it may have changed. |
| 20:37.11 | rdz | sorry, that i am so clumsy |
| 20:37.33 | mfrisch | rdz: /msg dpkg !fixmbr |
| 20:37.35 | tvynr | stew: I'll see if anyone in there responds. The situation is pretty simple. I have a couple Python wrapper script I wrote as a sort of convenience utility around another package. These two scripts use a third script for a common function. All I want is a Debian package that will install that and make it work, but Debian's policy for Python versioning is, while definitely valuable, making this task complicated. |
| 20:37.38 | rdz | !fixmbr |
| 20:37.38 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 20:37.52 | gRaCi0s0 | scruffy, i almost configured |
| 20:37.56 | rdz | mfrisch, what is /target/dev |
| 20:38.12 | rdz | aha |
| 20:38.14 | rdz | sorry, got it |
| 20:38.18 | karsten | Weird rdesktop bug: If I type my password to log in, segfault. |
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| 20:38.23 | RedShift | is anyone experienced with haproxy here? |
| 20:38.23 | mfrisch | rdz: /root/dev on the paritions |
| 20:38.24 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: I don't understand. |
| 20:38.37 | karsten | If I hit enter (blank password), get rejected, *then* type in my password, success. |
| 20:38.44 | hark | abrotman: su is not a debian package? |
| 20:38.48 | breadstick | What am i missing in this symlink? "ln -s /hdb ~/hdb" |
| 20:39.05 | karsten | breadstick: What's happening? |
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| 20:39.18 | abrotman | hark: opera isn't |
| 20:39.22 | karsten | breadstick: ... and/or does ~/hdb already exist as a directory? |
| 20:39.22 | gRaCi0s0 | scruffy, i reciently installed squid and did that config file but when i restarted it is the message |
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| 20:39.39 | earthian | hello, is there a way to read entire file and pipe it to clipboard????? |
| 20:39.40 | tvynr | breadstick: Er... a valid target? It's likely you don't have a "/hdb" on your system. |
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| 20:39.50 | earthian | something like cat "somefile" > clipboard |
| 20:39.54 | karsten | earthian: xclip |
| 20:39.58 | breadstick | karsten: well the link is made, but when i do cd ~ ; cd hdb I have <another> hdb link under it (and thats not what i want, nor what i thought i was typing) |
| 20:39.59 | hark | abrotman: heh, /lastlog Ratchet |
| 20:40.02 | rdz | still: tempnam: no such file or directory |
| 20:40.03 | skugg | upgrading to etch borked my apache2 virtual hosts -- only the first one is honoured. hints please! |
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| 20:40.15 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: did you upgrade squid, or did you install for the first time? |
| 20:40.23 | breadstick | tvynr: /hdb does exist |
| 20:40.29 | rdz | and then: /sbin/grub-install: line 386: $log_file: ambiguus redirec |
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| 20:40.36 | gRaCi0s0 | scruffy, yeah first time |
| 20:40.38 | breadstick | its where my 500gb drive auto mounts (i know stupid place) |
| 20:40.43 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2108996 |
| 20:40.51 | rdz | mfrisch, still the very same errors |
| 20:40.56 | karsten | breadstick: ln will create a link in the specified location, including under a directory or symlink if it exists. 'ln -sf <source> <link>' should do what you expect. |
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| 20:41.05 | karsten | breadstick: Directory links are tricky. |
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| 20:41.12 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: also, maybe more helpful: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71 |
| 20:41.16 | breadstick | karsten: ill give that a swing, one momento |
| 20:41.43 | gRaCi0s0 | scruffy, im doing it but i did it of that page |
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| 20:41.50 | gRaCi0s0 | it is the message when i start |
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| 20:42.18 | ecm | Heellooo, people! |
| 20:42.25 | scruffy | gRaCi0s0: read comment #23 here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71#comment_23 |
| 20:42.46 | breadstick | karsten: I must have something screwy |
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| 20:43.03 | breadstick | now ive got 2 enties unde the ~/hdb |
| 20:43.10 | breadstick | er entries under |
| 20:43.15 | karsten | breadstick: rm ~/hdb |
| 20:43.33 | karsten | breadstick: They're actually under /hdb, which you can verify ;-) |
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| 20:43.57 | rdz | mfrisch, what does 'no bootsignature in partition' mean? |
| 20:44.09 | breadstick | karsten: no those entries are not under /hdb, one is hdb the other is debs |
| 20:44.49 | mfrisch | rdz: use the md device sorry!! |
| 20:44.51 | abrotman | hark: whoops |
| 20:44.54 | karsten | breadstick: If the first ~/hdb is a symlink, then what you're doing is creating additional symlinks under the original source point. |
| 20:45.02 | abrotman | hark: i got confused! |
| 20:45.38 | rdz | mfrisch, what is the md-device? |
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| 20:45.52 | rdz | mfrisch, you mean: grub-install /dev/md? |
| 20:46.08 | mfrisch | rdz: the raid device. maybe md0 |
| 20:46.33 | rdz | mfrisch, though i don't have a raid-system installed? |
| 20:46.41 | breadstick | karsten: /hdb is where the drive mounts, ~/hdb is a folder under my user directory, i changed its name to storage (rm'd and mkdir storage) then linked, and it did the same thing |
| 20:47.03 | breadstick | so now its ~/storage/hdb/(hdb's contents) |
| 20:47.22 | mfrisch | rdz: you sayed you did. you have something. |
| 20:47.42 | rdz | mfrisch, the error from lilo suggest, that i have. but i don't |
| 20:48.08 | helo | is it possible to get gdb to automatically start running the process when it starts? |
| 20:48.09 | karsten | breadstick: is ~/hdb a link or a directory? |
| 20:48.13 | mfrisch | rdz: I don't know. check lilo.conf? |
| 20:48.18 | karsten | breadstick: ls -ld ~/hdb |
| 20:48.21 | JordiGH | Great. Kdevelop complains that I'm using automake 1.10, and it wants 1.6 or newer. :-/ |
| 20:48.24 | karsten | breadstick: Anyhow, sort it out. |
| 20:48.35 | rdz | there is absolutely no /dev/md0 or similar. only /dev/hda |
| 20:49.00 | rdz | mfrisch, lilo is driving me crazy and giving me misleading errors... :-( |
| 20:49.12 | mfrisch | rdz: I agree. |
| 20:49.16 | karsten | rdz: That's its job. Use GRUB. |
| 20:49.23 | breadstick | karsten: ah got it, stupid me, need to pay more attention |
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| 20:49.40 | karsten | breadstick: ;-) |
| 20:49.44 | rdz | karsten, i have big troubles installing grub from a live cd |
| 20:49.47 | rdz | !fixmbr |
| 20:49.47 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 20:50.17 | Szeraax | are you using a multi partition deb install? |
| 20:50.31 | JordiGH | The dpkg factoid should take into account that you could possibly have your hard disk in /dev/sda |
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| 20:51.45 | Szeraax | when i did that, i had 6 partitions and had to mount them all then chroot |
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| 20:53.13 | lolote | hi everybody |
| 20:53.16 | Szeraax | rdz: are you trying to get grub working right now? |
| 20:53.35 | rdz | Szeraax, exactly. but i still get: tempnam: no such file or directory |
| 20:54.55 | rdz | haha. after doinf all that grub-stuff. lilo_find_mbr says now: /dev/hda .... ;-) |
| 20:55.00 | rdz | hope, that was it now.... |
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| 20:56.04 | rdz | nahh... still: no boot signature in partition argh..... |
| 20:56.09 | lolote | Hello everyone I am at present under kubuntu and I would like to have debian: but they is same the commands and can I download it starting from the console |
| 20:56.10 | rdz | wtf... |
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| 20:56.35 | xand | lolote: the same commands as what? and yes you can download with wget etc |
| 20:56.44 | Szeraax | so you boot to deb cd and go to console right? |
| 20:56.49 | \amethyst | lolote: you could try debtakeover to convert your machine to debian :) |
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| 20:56.57 | lolote | ok command like "apt-get " |
| 20:57.07 | Szeraax | rdz: then you? what? |
| 20:57.18 | helo | what's the difference between: "cat file | program" and "program < file", from the program's point of view? |
| 20:57.27 | lolote | scuse me for my bad English |
| 20:57.35 | rdz | Szeraax, what you mean? |
| 20:57.44 | rdz | Szeraax, it didn't work here... :-( |
| 20:57.50 | rdz | i am still without mbr |
| 20:57.54 | Szeraax | rdz: what didnt work? |
| 20:57.55 | \amethyst | helo: in the former case stdin is open on a pipe; in the latter, it's open on a file |
| 20:58.14 | \amethyst | helo: the program can seek in the latter case but not the former |
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| 20:58.23 | Szeraax | rdz: yeah, you have to mount and stuff. did you do all that? |
| 20:58.29 | helo | ahh, that makes sense... |
| 20:58.33 | lolote | how i can download debian |
| 20:58.41 | lolote | on console |
| 20:58.43 | xand | are loads of I/O errors on a non-/ partition likely to cause a reboot? |
| 20:58.52 | rdz | Szeraax, i strictly followed the instructions from !fixmbr |
| 20:58.59 | rdz | Szeraax, what else should i do? |
| 20:58.59 | tvynr | \amethyst: Really? I was under the impression that the < directive redirected standard input. |
| 20:59.06 | Szeraax | YEAH, SO DID I. THOSE DIDNT WORK FOR ME |
| 20:59.08 | Szeraax | doh |
| 20:59.11 | Szeraax | sorry, not caps |
| 20:59.21 | \amethyst | tvynr: yes, which means stdin is open on the file |
| 20:59.26 | xand | where loads = hundreds/second |
| 20:59.28 | rdz | Szeraax, we unfortunate people.... |
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| 20:59.41 | Szeraax | ok, so whats the partition that has your deb? |
| 20:59.48 | lolote | amethyst: how i can doewnlaod debian |
| 20:59.50 | \amethyst | tvynr: to redirect with <, the shell closes stdin and opens it on the file |
| 20:59.52 | mcfloppy | hello |
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| 21:00.04 | rdz | /dev/hda1 |
| 21:00.10 | Szeraax | ok |
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| 21:00.26 | Szeraax | rdz: did you install deb then windows? |
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| 21:00.38 | \amethyst | !tell lolote about install debian |
| 21:00.40 | mcfloppy | is there a way, to take over the xclients from one xserver (thinclient) to another xserver (thinclient) |
| 21:00.46 | Szeraax | rdz: or deb then some lilo linux? |
| 21:01.01 | mcfloppy | the user should logout in terminal one and login in terminal 2 |
| 21:01.18 | rdz | Szeraax, no, i have a differrent situation. my hd crashed, that is why i played back the backup from my backup hd to a fresh one. |
| 21:01.30 | Szeraax | oh, ok |
| 21:01.40 | rdz | Szeraax, that is why i don't have a mbr now |
| 21:01.49 | Szeraax | from your bkup, it has vmlinuz in /boot? |
| 21:01.54 | Szeraax | yes? |
| 21:02.03 | rdz | Szeraax, now i am trying to boot the from the fresh hd |
| 21:02.13 | rdz | Szeraax, yes, exactly |
| 21:02.21 | Szeraax | rdz: ok, good |
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| 21:02.45 | garo | Which option should i give to 'aptitude install' command to let it overwrite files from a other package ? |
| 21:02.51 | Szeraax | rdz: you boot to the cd, you go to the console, right? |
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| 21:03.15 | Szeraax | (mind if i just try to guide you through it?) |
| 21:03.16 | steve | hi all |
| 21:03.24 | steve | anyone know how I boot into single-user mode in debian w/ lilo? |
| 21:03.31 | rdz | Szeraax, i only have a ubuntu cd.. :-) |
| 21:03.32 | Szeraax | not lilo |
| 21:03.36 | Szeraax | that will do |
| 21:03.42 | Szeraax | rdz: i think |
| 21:03.55 | Szeraax | rdz: can you get to any console? |
| 21:04.01 | rdz | Szeraax, of cours.. |
| 21:04.09 | rdz | i was always trying with the console.. |
| 21:04.26 | Szeraax | rdz: ok, just checking |
| 21:04.52 | Szeraax | rdz: do "mkdir /mnt/t" (hopefully this is all redundant and works...) |
| 21:04.53 | rdz | ok..got.a.console.e from ivecd now |
| 21:05.09 | tvynr | \amethyst: Ah... interesting. Thanks for the info. :) |
| 21:05.32 | Szeraax | rdz: then "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/t" |
| 21:05.55 | rdz | Szeraax, ok ready. i had to first to set kb layout |
| 21:06.06 | stew | steve: add "single" to the kernel command line |
| 21:06.12 | Szeraax | rdz: did you do the mkdir and mount" |
| 21:06.21 | JordiGH | Odd. I'm getting md5sum mismatches from two sources already. |
| 21:06.21 | rdz | Szeraax, now i am done... yes |
| 21:06.29 | JordiGH | After apt-get update |
| 21:06.39 | rdz | mounted the new system on /mnt/system |
| 21:06.41 | steve | stew: it says "Give root password for maintenance" |
| 21:06.41 | Szeraax | rdz: ok, "chroot /mnt/t" |
| 21:06.49 | Szeraax | rdz: i believe |
| 21:06.51 | stew | steve: yup, that is single user mode |
| 21:06.52 | Szeraax | :) |
| 21:07.02 | rdz | Szeraax, sorry... |
| 21:07.03 | rdz | done |
| 21:07.06 | steve | stew: I want to bypass the root password entry |
| 21:07.08 | Szeraax | ? |
| 21:07.23 | rdz | sorry for repeating your line |
| 21:07.24 | Szeraax | rdz: oh, ok |
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| 21:07.42 | stew | steve: try init=/bin/sh |
| 21:08.02 | Szeraax | rdz: next i think you, ummm. hold on a sec. lemme go finish booting this ubuntu cd i've got |
| 21:08.08 | steve | stew: with or without single? |
| 21:08.33 | Szeraax | rdz: this is when the fixmbr says to "grub-install" i believe |
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| 21:08.41 | stew | steve: probably either |
| 21:08.45 | breadstick | is there a way to make dpkg automagicly look for dependancies for packages in the same folder your doing a -i from? |
| 21:08.46 | Szeraax | rdz: is that right? |
| 21:08.56 | steve | stew: the system hangs at "Ok, booting the kernel" |
| 21:09.02 | rdz | Szeraax, hm.. the fixmbr did two other commands before chrootinh |
| 21:09.15 | rdz | mount --bind /dev /mnt/t/dev or something |
| 21:09.23 | Szeraax | rdz: really? |
| 21:09.25 | stew | steve: /msg dpkg ifrpw |
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| 21:09.30 | Szeraax | oh yueah... |
| 21:09.45 | rdz | Szeraax, i think so, yes |
| 21:09.45 | stew | steve: err /msg dpkg i fogot root's password |
| 21:09.52 | Szeraax | rdz: "exit" "mount --bind /dev /mnt/t/dev" |
| 21:09.56 | rdz | ok |
| 21:09.58 | Szeraax | rdz: do those |
| 21:10.18 | Szeraax | rdz: now chroot into /mnt/t |
| 21:10.34 | rdz | Szeraax, ok, done so far |
| 21:10.38 | Szeraax | (did it have another command too?) |
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| 21:10.47 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 21:11.13 | rdz | Szeraax, i can0t remember |
| 21:11.17 | rdz | !fixmbr |
| 21:11.17 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 21:11.21 | rdz | sorry.guys |
| 21:11.23 | stew | rdz: after you chroot, mount /proc ; /mount /sys |
| 21:11.24 | Szeraax | rdz: ok, so lets go ahead and try "grub-install" |
| 21:11.36 | junix|work | question, i am getting ready to update my Debian 3.1r6 to 4.0, have their been any problems with samba/nfs/vsftpd/ssh that I need to be worried about? |
| 21:11.37 | stew | rdz: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 21:11.40 | rdz | stew, ah, ok thanks |
| 21:11.47 | rdz | stew, no |
| 21:12.01 | stew | rdz: then proceed with grub-install and update-grub |
| 21:12.08 | PupenoR | Any hints on how to copy all the files created on 2007-04 to another directory (retaining date and time)? |
| 21:12.08 | Szeraax | rdz: i didnt do those |
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| 21:12.29 | magnet | junix: check out the release notes |
| 21:12.38 | xand | PupenoR: using find and cp -a |
| 21:12.57 | Szeraax | rdz: i just went into proc (i think) and did "grub-install" |
| 21:12.58 | rdz | Szeraax, i shoudl specify a device for grub-install.,shoudln't i? |
| 21:13.00 | PupenoR | xand: yeah, find, but how do I discriminate by date with find? |
| 21:13.10 | xand | PupenoR: the man page says |
| 21:13.26 | xand | PupenoR: oh actually |
| 21:13.30 | Szeraax | rdz: probly... if it says too (will be /dev/hda of course) |
| 21:13.41 | rindolf | Hi all! Can anyone recommend a laptop with these specifications: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il%40cs.huji.ac.il/msg48169.html ? |
| 21:13.46 | xand | PupenoR: you can't go by creation time as that information is not stored... only modification time |
| 21:13.49 | rindolf | Please address me as rindolf: |
| 21:14.01 | rindolf | Oh! And congrats for Etch. |
| 21:14.02 | rdz | Szeraax, ok. same error again: tempnam: no suich file or directory |
| 21:14.07 | PupenoR | xand: I only see atime and ctime, but running it through -exec stat I see a mix in the output. Some files from this month and some from other. |
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| 21:14.19 | Szeraax | ok, well thats crazy... |
| 21:14.22 | stew | rdz: is /usr a separate partition? |
| 21:14.23 | Szeraax | question |
| 21:14.24 | rdz | and then: /sbin/grub-install: line 386: $log:file: mabiguus redirect |
| 21:14.31 | PupenoR | xand: right, modification time (this files weren't modified after they were created)p |
| 21:14.33 | xand | PupenoR: it's mtime, and creation time of files is not stored on linux |
| 21:14.39 | rdz | stew, no, only /home is a separate partition |
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| 21:14.56 | JordiGH | If I ran into md5sum problems when apt-get updating, does this mean it's likely my repository is in the middle of an update? |
| 21:15.10 | teclo | Okay, here's the problem... I'm using debmirror on a sarge machine to mirror the etch repository. THe problem is that the gpg keys fail to uhhh "authenticate" so I'd like to have apt-key for sarge. Should I install this backported package:http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.6.46.4-0.1~bpo.1_i386.deb .... I don't wanna kill apt on that sarge machine ! |
| 21:15.23 | rdz | stew, / is on /dev/hda1 and /home is on /dev/hda6 |
| 21:15.35 | stew | rdz: dunno then |
| 21:15.38 | Szeraax | /home shouldnt matter i dont think... |
| 21:15.45 | rdz | Szeraax, i think so too |
| 21:15.50 | stew | actually /usr shouln't matter for a script in /sbin anyway |
| 21:16.02 | nihraguk | i'm getting a lot of \fB and \fR formatting-looking symbols being displayed in a man pages... is there a way to fix this? |
| 21:16.17 | Szeraax | rdz: well, sounds like you have a great opportunity to get a fresh install... :( |
| 21:16.28 | Szeraax | rdz: umm, i'm out of ideas.. |
| 21:16.31 | mo1991 | Can someone help me with creating a symbolic link that works in the same way a windows link does by having an option for a "start in directory" |
| 21:16.37 | stew | rdz: google for the tempnam error? |
| 21:16.37 | rdz | Szeraax, stew, the thing is, that grub-install /dev/hda doesn't exit. it only shows the errors i posted and then it stay like that |
| 21:17.10 | Szeraax | rdz: do you press enter?(yeah...., bug help there...) |
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| 21:17.18 | Szeraax | big* |
| 21:17.36 | rdz | Szeraax, i just yesterday played back the backup on to the original (corrupt) harddisk and everything went fine. i am definetly not going to reinstall the system |
| 21:17.37 | nihraguk | are those symbols a problem with docbook or something? the \fBs and \fRs that is |
| 21:18.06 | Esaj | anyone else had any problems with mysql-server-5.0? |
| 21:18.26 | PupenoR | xand: mtime is only for the specific day, and there seems not to be an mnewer. |
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| 21:18.41 | rdz | Szeraax, would it help to instsall a new debian on the hd and then just overwrite it with my backup? |
| 21:18.58 | Szeraax | that would probly work |
| 21:19.09 | rdz | i mean, it is only about getting this &/(&(* mbr on the disk.. |
| 21:19.22 | sls_ | where can I get the debian 4.0 kernel and ram image for tftp boot? |
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| 21:19.34 | Szeraax | maybe also backup the /boot (i dunno if it could help at all, ) |
| 21:19.36 | dashs | How to add default environment variables for console and X shells? |
| 21:19.42 | rdz | Szeraax, do you know at which point the boot-loader is installed? is it installed at the end of the procedure? |
| 21:19.47 | sls_ | annyone? bueler? |
| 21:19.48 | Szeraax | yes |
| 21:19.50 | abrotman | i swear .. noone ever answers my questions on irc :) |
| 21:19.53 | Szeraax | it's annoying |
| 21:20.07 | Szeraax | abrotman: sorry, we not so smart... |
| 21:20.11 | xand | PupenoR: mmin then. |
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| 21:20.33 | rdz | Szeraax, you know, i had quite similar issues, when i initially installed debian with grub |
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| 21:20.37 | Miciah | Hello. I have Linux 2.6.17. When I installed the 2.6.20 package and tried to boot, I got: |
| 21:20.40 | Miciah | /usr/lib/yaird/exec/run_init: opening console: Permission denied |
| 21:20.40 | abrotman | Szeraax: they're not easy questions but .. at least some response would be nice :) |
| 21:20.41 | Miciah | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 21:20.42 | rdz | it was difficult as hell |
| 21:20.46 | Szeraax | before you install grub it has to do the system and all that junk |
| 21:20.47 | Miciah | Does anybody know why? |
| 21:20.51 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 21:20.52 | dpkg | [devconsole] http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 21:20.52 | rdz | then i tried lilo and everyhting went fine |
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| 21:21.02 | Szeraax | i bet |
| 21:21.03 | sls_ | abrotman: he he... |
| 21:21.14 | nihraguk | bah okay its a lack of groff i think |
| 21:21.26 | Szeraax | abrotman: Actually, i didnt see your questions at all, i was focusing on rdz's problem |
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| 21:21.44 | rdz | Szeraax, thanks anyway a lot for your helpt |
| 21:21.46 | rdz | help |
| 21:21.57 | sls_ | sooo... does anyone know where can I get the debian 4.0 kernel and ram image for tftp boot? |
| 21:22.05 | Szeraax | glad to try |
| 21:22.06 | Szeraax | :) |
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| 21:22.31 | mo1991 | stew - wanted to see if you can help me - trying to run some windows software via wine, but the symbolic link to start the software requires a target and a start in folder (two different locations) which are specified via a windows symbolic link - can you tell me how to make a link that includes both target and "start in" in debian - or a workaround? |
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| 21:22.57 | mo1991 | or anyone else plz help |
| 21:23.22 | Szeraax | abrotman: so what questions do you have? this time i will see them and tell you i have no idea...:) or try to answer too |
| 21:23.29 | indarios_ | While installing debian i ran into a problem with it installing grub, it errored out and i had to reboot.. how can i finish the install from where i rebooted? |
| 21:23.46 | sls_ | mo1991: practicaal workaround... install codeweavers wine http://www.codeweavers.com and see how they do it |
| 21:23.57 | indarios_ | i tryed a recovery install but i cant seem to get root access |
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| 21:24.00 | Szeraax | indarios_: you generally have to do the whole thing over agaon |
| 21:24.06 | sls_ | I think they have a demo... |
| 21:24.17 | xand | mo1991: do you mean a shortcut? |
| 21:24.23 | mo1991 | xand - yes |
| 21:24.24 | xand | mo1991: i'd ask in #wine anyway |
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| 21:24.32 | sls_ | or 30 dollars and then dont worry about it? |
| 21:24.58 | mo1991 | there must be some way to run an executable from one folder but have the executable start in another folder in debian |
| 21:25.02 | sls_ | mo1991: xandros uses codeweavers... |
| 21:25.04 | mo1991 | even without the windows stuff |
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| 21:25.12 | PupenoR | xand: that's minute by minute (according to the documentation)? |
| 21:25.13 | sls_ | just use that and dont worry about wine. |
| 21:25.40 | mo1991 | sls_ I use crossover and wine - don't know how to do that either wine or cxoffice |
| 21:26.16 | xand | PupenoR: -mmin -60 <-- find things less than 60 minutes old |
| 21:26.24 | mo1991 | sls_nothing on shortcuts in the codeweavers docs |
| 21:26.31 | sls_ | mo1991: what are you really trying ot do? |
| 21:26.33 | indarios_ | Szeraax: how about if i jumped into DSL linux chrooted in? downloading all the packages takes forever and i would like to bypass that set if i could |
| 21:26.46 | xand | PupenoR: so, you need to combine -mmin -x and -mmin +x |
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| 21:26.56 | xand | erm, +y |
| 21:27.03 | xand | to search for a range |
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| 21:27.33 | mo1991 | sls_ a certain windows executable only runs (even in windows) from a shortcut that gives the target (exe) and the "start in" or working folder |
| 21:27.33 | Szeraax | indarios_: ummm, maybe that would work... |
| 21:27.33 | mo1991 | need to run this program on linux |
| 21:27.33 | abrotman | Szeraax: not a big deal |
| 21:27.35 | sls_ | mo1991: if all you need is a shortcut you can make one on a windows machine... |
| 21:27.41 | xand | PupenoR: or do that with mtime instead of mmin |
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| 21:27.52 | sls_ | From insided cxoffice it woult know |
| 21:27.56 | abrotman | Szeraax: unless you know anyhting about qemu and bridging .. you won't be much help :) |
| 21:28.01 | mo1991 | sls_ right, but linux doesn't recognize windows shorcuts so the don't work |
| 21:28.03 | xand | mo1991: ask in #wine |
| 21:28.22 | xand | dpkg! |
| 21:28.27 | Szeraax | abrotman: i know i little about bridging |
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| 21:28.56 | xand | who's eating all the bots? :o |
| 21:29.05 | Szeraax | abrotman: like, bridging to network connects? |
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| 21:29.13 | lolote | Hello I would have a question, how to download debian starting from the console and I am at present under kubuntu |
| 21:29.17 | indarios_ | Szeraax: I dont remember but does debian install anything after installing grub? |
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| 21:29.25 | Szeraax | not really |
| 21:29.32 | Szeraax | (indarios_) |
| 21:29.34 | xand | lolote: links www.debian.org |
| 21:29.46 | lolote | yes i read it |
| 21:29.47 | indarios_ | Szeraax: so i should have a working enviroment to chroot into.. thanks |
| 21:29.53 | Szeraax | i hope you do |
| 21:30.00 | xand | lolote: download with links |
| 21:30.06 | Szeraax | indarios_: enjoy your efforts. |
| 21:30.06 | lolote | ok |
| 21:30.27 | Miciah | abrotman: I assume that !devconsole was for me, but the first link is some rant about RPM and the second about the rootfs not being mounted, whereas the error message that I go was a permission denied. |
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| 21:31.01 | sls_ | sooo... does anyone know where can I get the debian 4.0 kernel and ram image for tftp boot? |
| 21:31.06 | lolote | and after it is necessary to create Cd:the par that I does not include/understand |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | Miciah: do you have the full error ? |
| 21:31.11 | sls_ | PXE? |
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| 21:31.15 | Szeraax | abrotman: so are you trying to bridge 2 network connections? |
| 21:31.19 | abrotman | sls_: the manaul should have that |
| 21:31.37 | sls_ | ok |
| 21:31.44 | abrotman | Szeraax: i'm trying to use qemu to host win32 OSes that will be used to connect to different VPN endpoints, when i start more than one VPN, they die. |
| 21:31.45 | Miciah | abrotman: I only wrote down those two lines. |
| 21:31.54 | Szeraax | ahh |
| 21:31.55 | Miciah | abrotman: I can reboot and look for more context. |
| 21:32.08 | abrotman | Miciah: where'd you get your kernel ? |
| 21:32.14 | Szeraax | _complicated_ bridging.... yeah, no idea... |
| 21:32.27 | Miciah | abrotman: What do you mean? aptitude install linux-image-2.6.20-1-amd64. |
| 21:32.30 | lolote | and after it is necessary to create Cd:the par that I does not include/understand |
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| 21:32.38 | abrotman | Miciah: in unstable ? |
| 21:32.41 | Miciah | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 21:33.36 | abrotman | Miciah: i don't see a 2.6.20 anywhere .. let me look again |
| 21:33.45 | Miciah | abrotman: It is new. |
| 21:34.18 | v3nkat3sh | presently my etch installation's default language is US English(GNOME desktop). I'm looking for changing it to Tamil. Can someone let me know how? |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | bah .. pdo is out of date again |
| 21:34.41 | abrotman | Miciah: try #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:34.52 | Miciah | abrotman: OK, thanks. |
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| 21:37.01 | zaphands | Hello. How do I send E-mails from the command line? |
| 21:37.09 | xand | mutt? |
| 21:37.15 | streuner | man mailx ? |
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| 21:37.19 | amphi | nail? |
| 21:37.21 | xand | uck mailx |
| 21:37.29 | streuner | !info mailx |
| 21:37.36 | Mooi | !info mailx |
| 21:37.37 | dpkg | mailx: (A simple mail user agent), section mail, is standard. Version: 1:8.1.2-0.20050715cvs-1 (sid), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
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| 21:38.05 | streuner | zaphands: keep in mind, you need a *working* MTA to use mailx... |
| 21:38.08 | zaphands | and attachments? |
| 21:38.20 | xand | hmm, I installed xen on etch, and dpkg claimed to update menu.lst, however it has not... why not? |
| 21:38.24 | streuner | shoundl be possible |
| 21:38.40 | streuner | should be possible, just read the man-page |
| 21:39.45 | JordiGH | Well, good ol' ftp.us.debian.org didn't give me problems with mismatched md5sums. Yay! |
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| 21:40.57 | abrotman | elmo! |
| 21:41.33 | azeem | elmo? |
| 21:41.51 | xand | emo? |
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| 21:42.19 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.32 | azeem | ok, what's with elmo? |
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| 21:43.48 | zaphands | isn't there a simple way, given the address of my smtp server send an E-mail + attachment using the command line? why do I need an MTA? How does other E-mail applications do it? |
| 21:43.51 | linux3 | can anyone help me with my sanyo SCP-8400 phone? im trying to use it as a modem when i connect it to my computer but its just not working. For some reason its not being added as a modem device. any ideas? its on the sprint EVDO network and a sprint PCMCIA card I have works (i just would like to use my cell phone instead since the card isn't mine). anyone happen to have experience with this? |
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| 21:44.50 | dondelelcaro | zaphands: you need an MTA, but it can be a simple one, like nullmailer or esmtp |
| 21:45.09 | dondelelcaro | zaphands: all they do is get mail off of your machine. |
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| 21:45.47 | abrotman | note: don't try to mark 27,500 messages in thunderbird as read at once ... |
| 21:45.48 | zaphands | o.. I see |
| 21:46.29 | Supaplex | abrotman: but why not? |
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| 21:47.47 | abrotman | Supaplex: it's rough :) |
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| 21:49.08 | Supaplex | abrotman: hehe. kmail segfaulted twice on me this week. I'll check bts after I try out sylphed a little more. |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | evolution |
| 21:50.48 | garo | when i place this line in sources.list : deb http://backports.org/debian sarge-backports main |
| 21:51.23 | mo1991 | xand - I am looking to make a link or shortcut in debian that includes target and working folder a launcher maybe would be better word |
| 21:51.33 | garo | i get this error: W: GPG error: http://backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
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| 21:52.38 | garo | sorry, i mean : W: GPG error: http://backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 21:52.45 | cusco | garo: install the debian-keyring |
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| 21:52.51 | garo | (i tried to replace sarge with etch) |
| 21:53.02 | cusco | and or the debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:53.11 | hark | there aren't any for etch yet, afaik |
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| 21:53.20 | cusco | YES THERE ARE |
| 21:53.23 | cusco | oops |
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| 21:54.30 | cusco | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/backports.org/dists/etch-backports/ |
| 21:55.32 | hark | already? |
| 21:55.35 | Supaplex | sweet. there are oops. ;) |
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| 21:55.52 | Supaplex | hark: yea, we're fast huh? :) |
| 21:56.25 | hark | etch is too outdated anyway ;) |
| 21:56.40 | Supaplex | you are outdated my friend |
| 21:56.45 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 21:57.17 | hark | hmm, then they haven't updated the backports site.. |
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| 21:58.21 | hark | ok wow, they've got nothing! |
| 21:59.25 | Szeraax | lol |
| 21:59.45 | garo | which command do i have to run after installing debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 21:59.57 | MoDaX | garo: none |
| 22:00.05 | hark | aptitude update |
| 22:00.13 | cusco | hark: maybe you mean one of the mirrored sites? that happens sometimes |
| 22:00.39 | hark | cusco: j/k... they have the new kernels i see |
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| 22:01.12 | garo | deb http://backports.org/debian etch-backports main |
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| 22:02.07 | cusco | garo: I believe you should use a mirror, no? |
| 22:02.22 | MoDaX | garo: what's the problem? |
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| 22:03.32 | garo | MoDaX: W: GPG error: http://backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 22:03.53 | garo | also tried it with sarge-backports |
| 22:04.22 | anapivirtua | Bonne nuit / Good night |
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| 22:04.43 | MoDaX | garo: # wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
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| 22:04.55 | garo | ah, fixed (first tried debian-keyring, removed it and then tried debian-archive-keyring, but i needed them both) |
| 22:05.02 | evilgeek | how does one turn off the keyring checking? |
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| 22:06.13 | windwalk | hi there, i'm in the midst of trying to upgrade woody to sarge, and i'm getting this error when i run apt-get: Setting up libapache-mod-lisp (2.43-2) ... |
| 22:06.13 | windwalk | Error: libphp4.so does not have a corresponding .info file. i can't find a way around it, and it won't let me remove the package (which i dont want or need) |
| 22:06.14 | windwalk | has anyone experienced this? |
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| 22:06.59 | wols | wppdy? to sarge? you love to stay behind don't you? |
| 22:06.59 | windwalk | well i'm going to sarge and then want to go to etch |
| 22:07.09 | windwalk | but this was an old server :) |
| 22:07.09 | kingsley | windwalk: Have you checked Debian's bug site for a bug report? |
| 22:07.14 | windwalk | i've googled as much as i know how, |
| 22:07.24 | windwalk | a few other ppl with similar problems, havent found any solutions |
| 22:07.33 | windwalk | can check in the debian forum directly |
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| 22:08.10 | windwalk | how do you manually uninstall a deb package? |
| 22:08.11 | MoDaX | windwalk: and what happens if you run apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade again? |
| 22:08.11 | evilgeek | dpkg -r foo |
| 22:08.23 | evilgeek | ? |
| 22:08.30 | MmikeDOMA | :) |
| 22:08.51 | MoDaX | evilgeek: dpkg is a bot |
| 22:08.56 | xingu | well bugger me; this hack http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Java actually works. :) |
| 22:08.58 | windwalk | dpkg -r didnt work ether |
| 22:09.09 | Szeraax | what's the command to view all logged in users? |
| 22:09.27 | evilgeek | MoDaX: i'm aware of that. it's annoying, though. |
| 22:09.28 | xingu | Szeraax: who |
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| 22:09.32 | windwalk | every time i try to apt-get dist-upgrad,e it shows the same error and stops the dist upgrade |
| 22:09.49 | windwalk | where does debian store the list of what packages are installed? how can i just uninstall this thing manually so it stops trying to check it? |
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| 22:10.15 | MoDaX | windwalk: rm /var/lib/dpkg/libapache-mod-lisp.postinst |
| 22:10.39 | MoDaX | windwalk: i.e. rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache-mod-lisp.postinst |
| 22:10.39 | bzed | windwalk: dpkg -r packagename |
| 22:10.39 | evilgeek | seriously, though, how do you get rid of the aptitude key checking? |
| 22:10.42 | kingsley | windwalk: dpkg -l | less |
| 22:10.48 | wols | windwalk: you can uninstall via dpkg |
| 22:10.52 | v3nkat3sh | windwalk: or perhaps apt-get clean? |
| 22:10.57 | wols | however, there are probably dependencies on it |
| 22:10.58 | bzed | evilgeek: you don't. you add the right key. try apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 22:11.02 | aubade | Is there an easier method to Nvidia drivers other than building the module yourself using the installer off Nvidia's official site? Proving to be a bother. |
| 22:11.13 | windwalk | @modax thank you! |
| 22:11.14 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:11.15 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 22:11.26 | windwalk | modax: that seemed to stop checking it |
| 22:11.37 | evilgeek | bzed: "you don't" meaning "it's impossible" or "i'm not going to tell you"? |
| 22:11.51 | evilgeek | bzed: i want to get rid of this because "the right key" is not in debian-keyring. |
| 22:12.06 | MoDaX | evilgeek: apt-key add |
| 22:12.20 | evilgeek | apt-key add what? |
| 22:12.24 | evilgeek | there is no archive.key in the archive. |
| 22:12.36 | evilgeek | again, how do i disable aptitude's key checking? |
| 22:13.01 | MoDaX | evilgeek: rtfm of apt-get :) |
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| 22:13.28 | bzed | evilgeek: no, I mean you don;t want to get rid of the key-checking. |
| 22:13.29 | hark | evilgeek: *debian-archive-keyring |
| 22:13.37 | bzed | evilgeek: which key is missing? |
| 22:13.47 | evilgeek | bzed: mirror.cs.uwaterloo.ca. |
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| 22:14.04 | evilgeek | bzed: but i do. |
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| 22:14.25 | bzed | evilgeek: mirrors don;t have keys on it's own, except it's some unofficial repository. paste the exact output in a pastebin please |
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| 22:15.00 | MoDaX | evilgeek: from manual: --allow-unauthenticated Ignore if packages can't be authenticated and don't prompt about it. This is usefull for tools like pbuilder. Configuration Item: APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated. |
| 22:15.56 | evilgeek | note the big, ugly capital 'U' letters in http://rafb.net/p/SjmKFr72.html |
| 22:16.26 | evilgeek | MoDaX: yeah, i saw that once you told me to RTFM =) but how do i make this permanent? |
| 22:16.29 | bzed | evilgeek: could you please output the error message about the missing key? |
| 22:16.50 | evilgeek | bzed: how do i get such an error message? |
| 22:16.54 | evilgeek | oh, aptitude update? |
| 22:17.01 | bzed | evilgeek: for example |
| 22:17.06 | MoDaX | evilgeek: rtfm of apt.conf |
| 22:17.09 | bzed | or try to install an "evil" package |
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| 22:17.58 | Pobega | Hey, I'm having some trouble getting my wireless to automatically connect at boot time. I get the following errors: http://rafb.net/p/6yyqoK51.html |
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| 22:18.12 | blahdeblah | hi all |
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| 22:18.25 | blahdeblah | How can i get Acrobat Reader 7.0.9 running on AMD64? It gives the message: |
| 22:18.25 | blahdeblah | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.55 | evilgeek | bzed: hm, i appear to be mistaken about the nature of this problem. |
| 22:18.57 | MoDaX | Pobega: device driver module is not loaded on startup |
| 22:18.59 | blahdeblah | Can i just copy an i386 version of that library from a 32-bit machine to a 32-bit lib directory somewhere? |
| 22:19.14 | Pobega | MoDaX: I added the line ipw3945 to /etc/modules, but that didn't seem to help either. |
| 22:19.17 | evilgeek | (interesting. the problem seems to have fixed itself.) |
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| 22:19.31 | bzed | evilgeek: it should fix itself by installing debian-keyring |
| 22:19.32 | evilgeek | MoDaX: thanks, by the way. |
| 22:19.35 | hark | blahdeblah: where did you get it from? |
| 22:19.42 | hark | pebkac! |
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| 22:20.03 | Pobega | blahdeblah: Do you have all of the libgdk-* packages installed? I'd try those first, myself. |
| 22:20.05 | evilgeek | bzed: that's bizarre, because installing debian-keyring didn't fix it at first. |
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| 22:20.45 | Pobega | MoDaX: Should I put something else in /etc/modules? Or should ipw3945 do? |
| 22:21.14 | blahdeblah | hark: Get what from? Acrobat? From Adobe's web site. |
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| 22:21.26 | MoDaX | blahdeblah: install ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 22:22.04 | |DuReX| | hello dudez :) i'm trying to install grub on my linux box that still runs lilo, i apt-get install grub and now i'm doing grub-install but it gets stuck @ Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 22:22.08 | blahdeblah | MoDaX: No candidate version found for ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 22:22.36 | MoDaX | Pobega: that's driver problem. I don't know anything about specifics of ipw3945. maybe missing firmware |
| 22:22.39 | hark | blahdeblah: it's part of libgtk2.0-0 or /msg dpkg search |
| 22:22.52 | MoDaX | blahdeblah: install from unstable |
| 22:22.55 | hark | blahdeblah: but, just get it from debian-multimedia instead.. |
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| 22:23.07 | Saz|Laptop | Topic for #debian is ETCH IS RELEASED! |
| 22:23.09 | Pobega | MoDaX: It worked previously...When I installed it by hand. Now that I installed it using the Debian package it doesn't seem to want to work. |
| 22:23.11 | Saz|Laptop | <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 22:23.17 | rdz | |DuReX|, i have a quite similar problem.. but didn't solve it yet |
| 22:23.17 | abrotman | we know ... |
| 22:23.19 | hark | blahdeblah: or use evince.. it's pretty good |
| 22:23.40 | blahdeblah | hark: evince's printing isn't up to scratch - that's why i want Acrobat. |
| 22:23.45 | MoDaX | Pobega: check out dmesg |
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| 22:24.03 | hark | blahdeblah: then, try marillat's repository or ask adobe |
| 22:24.13 | Pobega | MoDaX: Oh, I forgot to add that if I do /etc/init.d/networking start after booting it works fine. |
| 22:24.19 | blahdeblah | marillat == debian-multimedia? |
| 22:24.26 | hark | yes |
| 22:24.29 | blahdeblah | ok |
| 22:24.34 | Pobega | MoDaX: dmesg seems to be picking up my wireless correctly. |
| 22:25.38 | |DuReX| | nobody can help me ? :( |
| 22:25.38 | MoDaX | Pobega: iwconfig. maybe interface got renamed |
| 22:25.43 | Pobega | MoDaX: Seems to be on eth2...I'm on my wireless right now too. |
| 22:26.10 | Pobega | Only thing is I'm trying to get it to auto-connect, and it just doesn't seem to want to work. |
| 22:26.25 | Saz|Laptop | alright so is ftp.debian.org working for anyone's apt? |
| 22:26.32 | Saz|Laptop | I'm trying to install ethereal |
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| 22:26.49 | MoDaX | |DuReX|: try grub-install --recheck maybe |
| 22:26.52 | Saz|Laptop | I keep getting a Data socket timed out error |
| 22:27.10 | Pobega | Saz|Laptop: ftp.debian.org is working fine for me, although it's a BIT slow. |
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| 22:27.20 | Saz|Laptop | hm |
| 22:27.22 | Saz|Laptop | it's timing out for me |
| 22:27.32 | Saz|Laptop | at least as far as apt-get is concerned |
| 22:27.53 | Saz|Laptop | what's the next best mirror |
| 22:27.55 | Pobega | Saz|Laptop: Are any other mirrors working for you? ftp.us.debian.org maybe? |
| 22:28.03 | linux3 | ok finally |
| 22:28.07 | linux3 | i think i figured it out |
| 22:28.14 | linux3 | my phone doesn't even work in windows |
| 22:28.16 | Pobega | Depends what area you're in Saz|Laptop, look through a list of APT mirrors. |
| 22:28.19 | Saz|Laptop | yeah let me trty ftp.us |
| 22:28.23 | linux3 | so possible there is something more going on here |
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| 22:29.49 | Pobega | No one else has any ideas? http://rafb.net/p/6yyqoK51.html |
| 22:30.04 | maddash | !tell Saz|Laptop about apt-sp |
| 22:30.07 | maddash | !tell Saz|Laptop about apt-spy |
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| 22:31.28 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: don't use ftp.debian.org .. use a mirror near you .. what state are you in ? |
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| 22:32.11 | MoDaX | Pobega: errors state that device does not exist. I would compare `lsmod` when the networking is first started and eh when finally wlan is working fine |
| 22:32.11 | stew | Pobega: if you type just "iwconfig" which interfaces does it list? |
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| 22:32.46 | stew | Pobega: and do you know which driver is used for your wireless card? |
| 22:32.48 | RangerRick | silly question, but I just updated to etch and apache suddenly doesn't think SSL is defined anymore; any ideas how to inject -DSSL into it? |
| 22:33.20 | stew | RangerRick: apache or apache2? |
| 22:33.21 | Pobega | stew: eth2, and isn't the driver just ipw3945d/modules-ipw3945-`uname -r`? I installed them both through apt-get and it's been working fine until now. |
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| 22:33.26 | RangerRick | stew: apache2, sorry |
| 22:33.35 | abrotman | isn't RangerRick from darwin ? |
| 22:33.39 | Pobega | Also, I'll be right back. I'm going to log on with my desktop so I can stay on when I need to reboot. |
| 22:33.41 | abrotman | or bsd .. |
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| 22:33.46 | RangerRick | abrotman: #fink yes |
| 22:33.49 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:33.55 | stew | RangerRick: try "a2enmod ssl" |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | i didn't think ssl was a module anymore ? |
| 22:34.15 | RangerRick | stew: it's already enabled |
| 22:34.29 | stew | RangerRick: have you force-reloaded apache since enabling it? |
| 22:34.33 | RangerRick | stew: yes |
| 22:34.41 | bzed | stew: heya :) hope you can help me ;) what's the best wy to get the latest upstream version from debian/changelog? `dpkg-parsechangelog | grep '^Version' | sed 's,.* ,,g;s,-.*,,g'` works, but isn't there a better way? |
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| 22:36.01 | stew | bzed: hmm |
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| 22:36.36 | RangerRick | stew: I thought that apache2 init looked in mods-enabled and -D'd anything there, but I can't find the actual script that does that |
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| 22:39.39 | ooglaboogla | anyone know where i can find a .deb package for opera for x86_64 |
| 22:40.14 | garo | I'm running etch but i want to install php-image-graph (only available in sid, not in backports, not in lenny). What's the recommended way to install it ? |
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| 22:41.14 | antgel | hi all. i have a remote server running Xvnc4 over stunnel, and i can use it successfully to work remotely. only problem is that -geometry is fixed. surely there's something better i can do, that would give me an appropriate size desktop for the machine that i'm on? |
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| 22:41.28 | pobega | Hey, I'm back. I have rebooted my laptop and haven't connected, but iwconfig picks up eth2 (It's unassigned though, of course) and lsmod picks up ipw3945, ieee80211 and firmware_class |
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| 22:41.50 | bzed | RangerRick: there's no -D anymore |
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| 22:42.16 | bzed | RangerRick: there're 2 includ lines in apache2.conf which include all load and conf files from the mods-enabled directory |
| 22:42.33 | RangerRick | bzed: ah, were the default configs changed to not have IfDefined SSL anymore then? |
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| 22:43.23 | RangerRick | er, IfDefine |
| 22:43.25 | torrr | d'ya'no if there's an evolution version with gnome-vfs? |
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| 22:43.45 | antgel | dpkg: hello |
| 22:43.46 | dpkg | hola |
| 22:43.55 | bzed | RangerRick: read /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.conf |
| 22:43.55 | antgel | !seen abrotman |
| 22:43.55 | naiv | abrotman n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman was last seen Fri Apr 13 00:35:19 2007 quiting the network |
| 22:43.56 | hermuli | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.56 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9m 45s ago, saying: 'i didn't think ssl was a module anymore ?'. |
| 22:44.10 | js_ | is there no bigmem kernel for amd64? i only see 3gb but theres 4gb in the machine |
| 22:44.24 | ooglaboogla | can i386 version of opera run on x86_64 system |
| 22:44.44 | valdyn | ooglaboogla: sure |
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| 22:45.01 | bzed | RangerRick: you need something like http://pastebin.ca/437218 in your virtual host conf |
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| 22:45.16 | antgel | hermuli: who owns you |
| 22:45.23 | ooglaboogla | valdyn when i try to innstall the i386 package it says wrong architecture |
| 22:45.27 | buggy_ | am i supposed to modify our lieutenantes modules ? |
| 22:45.28 | bzed | js_: you don't need a special bigmem kernel on amd64 |
| 22:45.35 | valdyn | ooglaboogla: you cant install the deb |
| 22:45.39 | js_ | bzed: i see.. but how come theres only 3gb? |
| 22:45.41 | RangerRick | bzed: right, I had all that stuff from an older apache2 install; it's just when I upgraded to the latest one, IfDefine SSL was no longer triggering, and it used to |
| 22:45.42 | buggy_ | o o |
| 22:45.43 | KWartS | hello world |
| 22:45.52 | pobega | So if lsmod is picking it up, and iwconfig is finding it, why isn't it able to connect to the internet at boot time? |
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| 22:46.04 | ooglaboogla | valdyn ok i'll get the source |
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| 22:46.42 | KWartS | i am updating via mirror @ id my release is sarge |
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| 22:46.56 | KWartS | is it update to etch? |
| 22:47.12 | RangerRick | I've got it working again, thanks bzed and stew |
| 22:47.14 | antgel | RichiH: nobody noticed before? :) |
| 22:47.20 | bzed | RangerRick: you're welcome |
| 22:47.26 | pobega | KWartS: Depends what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 22:47.56 | bzed | js_: what's the output of uname -r |
| 22:48.14 | RichiH | antgel: i did not ;) |
| 22:48.19 | js_ | bzed: well, right now i lost internet access to it, but the kernel running is 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 22:48.39 | KWartS | pobega: so in which server I could updating? i am @ indonesia |
| 22:48.52 | bzed | js_: http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
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| 22:49.02 | bzed | js_: you wanna slap your mainboard or so |
| 22:49.09 | pobega | KWartS: I'm not quite sure what you want though. Do you want to stay with Sarge or do you want to upgrade to Etch? |
| 22:49.24 | js_ | bzed: bios reports 4gb |
| 22:49.39 | bzed | js_: paste the output of free please |
| 22:49.53 | js_ | bzed: i cant, i lost access to it 5 minutes ago |
| 22:50.05 | js_ | but iirc it said 2996 for ram |
| 22:50.05 | bzed | js_: well,. ask later then ;) |
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| 22:50.11 | poe-t | hi |
| 22:50.11 | js_ | oh, wait, i got it in a buffer |
| 22:50.25 | js_ | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/437233 |
| 22:50.31 | KWartS | update with etch... (the latest stable version ) :) |
| 22:50.56 | bzed | !tell KWartS about sarge->etch |
| 22:51.00 | poe-t | why can I get "hdd: lost interrupt" in my logs? |
| 22:51.02 | pobega | KWartS: Does your sources.list say "sarge" or "stable"? |
| 22:51.05 | bzed | js_: well that's weird |
| 22:51.23 | js_ | yeah |
| 22:51.45 | KWartS | at the end of list just said testing main and contrib |
| 22:51.47 | bzed | js_: which kind of hardware? |
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| 22:52.03 | buggy_ | add irqroute to your kernel |
| 22:52.18 | buggy_ | if you share irqs within your hardware |
| 22:52.24 | js_ | bzed: its a brand new dell 2950, im not sure about the mainboard |
| 22:52.29 | pobega | Change testing to stable and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, and you should be fine. But if you're in testing then you aren't using Sarge, you're using Lenny actually. |
| 22:52.41 | bzed | js_: intel? |
| 22:52.46 | js_ | bzed: yes |
| 22:52.54 | js_ | bzed: its a quad-core xeon thingy |
| 22:53.03 | lunix_ | js_: i just got a couple of those |
| 22:53.13 | BUMBACL0T | ok, im doing a fresh-install of etch again, im wonder what is "DNS Server", im at "Software Selection", should i select DNS Server? |
| 22:53.16 | lunix_ | what's your problem again? |
| 22:53.29 | bzed | BUMBACL0T: if you ask that, don't select it ;) |
| 22:53.30 | Ronin | BUMBACL0T: no you shouldn't |
| 22:53.40 | js_ | lunix_: ive decied to run debian amd64 on one that has 4gb ram, but only 3gb is discovered by linux |
| 22:53.43 | BUMBACL0T | that's why im asking, before i do something bad with it |
| 22:53.56 | bzed | !dns |
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| 22:54.05 | js_ | lunix_: my other ones with 8gb running debian x86 bigmem has all 8gb detected |
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| 22:54.18 | BUMBACL0T | Ronin, what is it |
| 22:54.20 | lunix_ | hum... |
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| 22:54.54 | lunix_ | i had debian amd64 on one of them |
| 22:55.11 | bzed | BUMBACL0T: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_system |
| 22:55.16 | lunix_ | then i came back to debian x86 |
| 22:55.23 | rcbarnes | ...okay, so I've installed X. Isn't there some script that will auto-config it for me? (My hand-made one crashes after about 2 minutes). |
| 22:55.25 | bzed | BUMBACL0T: if you're not an ISP, you don't need it |
| 22:55.36 | lunix_ | didn't noticed that ram issue |
| 22:55.52 | lunix_ | so i can't confirm if it had it or not |
| 22:55.59 | BUMBACL0T | i should just install the core then, then do the apache stuff manually |
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| 22:56.03 | bzed | js_: apt-get install memtest86+ and boot it, probably you know more than |
| 22:56.06 | lunix_ | it worked, that's for sure |
| 22:56.28 | rcbarnes | I'm not sure why I've got xorg.conf issues---I had this config working forever on the same card before I switched to debian. |
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| 22:58.14 | lamer007 | hi guys is please is there still that starting script in /etc/init.d/iptables or it was removed from debian ? |
| 22:58.32 | antgel | lamer007: it's gone, see README.Debian |
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| 23:00.34 | antgel | rcbarnes: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 23:00.48 | rcbarnes | antgel: that's what I was looking for! Thanks |
| 23:00.56 | antgel | it's funny, i haven't been around for a year or so, but the questions in #d haven't changed :) |
| 23:00.59 | lunix_ | anyone has a clue on gforge? |
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| 23:02.00 | rcbarnes | antgel: that just means that the same issues pop up with new installs :-P |
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| 23:03.16 | KWartS | thanks world |
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| 23:05.59 | calmar | i meant, with newer kernel, there is no need for a scsi emulation anymore for buring? obviously I was wrong? |
| 23:07.17 | RichiH | buring? |
| 23:07.25 | calmar | burning, cd-burning, sorry |
| 23:07.54 | Eclipser | no you don't need scsi emulation with 2.6 kernel |
| 23:08.07 | RichiH | at least not with the newer 2.6 kernels |
| 23:08.34 | calmar | hm, I have a brand new. then I can ignore the message about bad performane on ATAPI devices I guess? |
| 23:08.37 | Eclipser | well it was one of the "new and shiny" things whcih didn't work properly when 2.6 first came out |
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| 23:09.08 | calmar | 2.6.20 to be more precise :) |
| 23:09.15 | Eclipser | calmar, from cdrecord? |
| 23:09.34 | calmar | i stated xcdroast |
| 23:09.40 | calmar | *startet |
| 23:09.48 | calmar | aeh.. well started |
| 23:10.01 | rcbarnes | (fingers crossed---every time X fails I have to reboot. :-/) |
| 23:10.15 | calmar | wodim as back-burner I guess |
| 23:10.37 | KWartS | how to use kernel compiled by myself in debian |
| 23:10.46 | KWartS | how to use kernel compiled by myself in debian? |
| 23:11.00 | KWartS | I use to combine with comedi driver |
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| 23:11.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell KWartS -about kp |
| 23:11.45 | Eclipser | calmar, if you want a graphical frontend, I'd personally recommend k3b... but the warning is most likely just the burning program warning you |
| 23:11.54 | Eclipser | calmar, k3b has never told me anything about it :) |
| 23:13.24 | calmar | Eclipser: maybe I try in the command line with: wodim dev=/dev/hdc etc, maybe it has to say there something |
| 23:13.37 | Eclipser | never used wodim before :) |
| 23:13.53 | calmar | Eclipser: replacement for cdrecord as it seems. |
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| 23:14.07 | Eclipser | I very rarely even burn anything nowadays |
| 23:14.25 | KWartS | ok |
| 23:14.39 | Eclipser | I got myself a DVD+-RW/CD-RW combo for christmas a couple of years ago and I've burnt two (2) DVDs since |
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| 23:14.46 | calmar | Eclipser: yeah, true :) not ofen needed nowadays. |
| 23:14.59 | Eclipser | harddrives are cheap |
| 23:15.02 | Eclipser | and huge |
| 23:15.05 | calmar | exactly |
| 23:15.15 | cafuego | and a pita to store off-site |
| 23:15.31 | Eclipser | who needs such thing anyway |
| 23:15.56 | cafuego | i don't know about you, amateuts, but us professionals prefer it ;-) |
| 23:16.11 | calmar | nevertheless, I need to install ubunto on a frinds laptop (me using debian, isn't it) and there I need to burn an iso. |
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| 23:16.33 | calmar | maybe ubunto is easier for him. they say its very easy. well. |
| 23:16.41 | calmar | i will see right away then :) |
| 23:16.45 | amphi | 'amateuts'? are thos wannabe germans or summat? |
| 23:17.05 | cafuego | calmar: If you're running ubuntu now, simply right click the iso and select 'burn to disc' |
| 23:17.27 | cafuego | Oh, deb'yan |
| 23:17.36 | calmar | cafuego: wow, great when it's that easy. no, i'm using debian. but cool when it's so easy for her then :) |
| 23:17.39 | cafuego | Just use cdrecord |
| 23:17.50 | calmar | wodim now... |
| 23:17.58 | cafuego | cdrecrd -dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 23:18.15 | cafuego | I imagine wodim would be essentially tthe same. |
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| 23:18.44 | calmar | yeah, the fork there, because the debian people weren't happy with the cdrecord developer, or something like that |
| 23:19.10 | cafuego | calmar: He did have ahabit of adding things like "LINUX SUCKS!!!" to the usage info |
| 23:19.19 | dondelelcaro | almost everyone is switching to wodim |
| 23:19.35 | dondelelcaro | (and the interface is pretty much equivalent to cdrecord right now anyway) |
| 23:19.37 | cafuego | And I believe his build system was invented by satan himself. |
| 23:19.39 | calmar | he prefered the little devil then I guess? |
| 23:19.48 | calmar | :) |
| 23:19.50 | dondelelcaro | calmar: no. slowaris |
| 23:19.53 | cafuego | calmar: either that or crack, who knows? ;-) |
| 23:20.02 | cafuego | crack it is! |
| 23:20.29 | cafuego | calmar: Anyway, for your friend, burning discs will be an OS-X style experience. |
| 23:20.30 | calmar | too bad. maybe wodim will become the standard once, or not .. we will see, isn 'it |
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| 23:20.59 | cafuego | Insert blank, drag files to icon, click 'burn', enter disc name, wait, done. |
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| 23:21.21 | calmar | cafuego: :) really cool. |
| 23:21.26 | dondelelcaro | growisofs -Z /dev/foo -J -r /path/to/foo; done. |
| 23:21.37 | brottman | Can anyone tell me approximately (wild guess, whatever) when will gnome 2.18 and 2.6.20 kernels land in Sid? |
| 23:21.49 | dondelelcaro | brottman: when they're uploaded to sid by the developers |
| 23:21.55 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: That's not what I'd call particularly friendly to new (if any) users. |
| 23:21.59 | dondelelcaro | brottman: if you want to know better, then you should jump in and help out. |
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| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: oh, could be... it's just more friendly to me because I have a strained relationship with my rodents |
| 23:22.47 | brottman | yeah because I know how to program...... all I was looking for was a general idea... thanks anyway. |
| 23:23.09 | calmar | wodim -v speed=4 dev=/dev/hdc -data ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso seems to do the jpb nicely. |
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| 23:23.18 | dondelelcaro | brottman: it's not necessary to need to know how to program; the packagers need help doing things that you can do too |
| 23:23.39 | dondelelcaro | brottman: but in any event, gnome is already in experimental; presumably in the next few weeks it'll be uploaded. |
| 23:23.48 | hark | brottman: well, fwiw 2.6.20 is already in sid |
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| 23:24.05 | brottman | thank you |
| 23:24.10 | calmar | brottman: its easy to maky your own kernel so. just in case. hm, or not that difficult. |
| 23:24.35 | hark | parts of Gnome 2.18, again are already in sid.. |
| 23:24.35 | cafuego | calmar: yah, I'd normally add a -eject as well. |
| 23:24.46 | calmar | cafuego: yeah |
| 23:24.53 | hark | brottman: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.18-status.html |
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| 23:25.26 | dondelelcaro | hark: ah, nifty. Didn't know about that. |
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| 23:26.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: gnome 1.8 status is <reply> see http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.18-status.html for information about gnome 1.8 status in Debian |
| 23:26.03 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 23:30.26 | Feinorgh | I just upgraded from Debian 3.1 to 4.0, and now when I connect to localhost, the packets have the wrong src address (not 127.0.0.1, but my external IP on my eth0 NIC), any ideas about what might be wrong? |
| 23:30.33 | indarios_ | if i wasnt to run commands at login i use .login right? |
| 23:30.40 | TheMagician | isn't "ld" linker in the debian etch by default? and where can I get it? apt-get cant find it. really need it :/ thanks in advance |
| 23:30.41 | indarios_ | if i want to* |
| 23:30.43 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: uh... how do you know they have the wrong source address? |
| 23:30.54 | bzed | TheMagician: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:30.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell TheMagician -about search |
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| 23:31.12 | TheMagician | thank you :) |
| 23:31.22 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: because when I look at the logs for postfix, i.e, it connects from my eth0 address |
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| 23:31.39 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: what is the exact log entry for postfix? |
| 23:31.51 | Feinorgh | And that doesn't play well with the access rules I have for amavis and postfix interaction |
| 23:32.01 | bzed | TheMagician: at least I think that's what you want. you could install binutils only, but I think you want to do more than linking only |
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| 23:32.20 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Apr 13 01:31:57 blackmadonna postfix/smtpd[12487]: connect from 81-229-71-252-no13.tbcn.telia.com[81.229.71.252] |
| 23:32.24 | TheMagician | that's what I was looking for |
| 23:32.32 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: This when I do "telnet localhost 25" |
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| 23:33.11 | indarios_ | does debian use the .login file to run programs durning login? |
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| 23:33.19 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: and what does localhost resolve to? |
| 23:33.33 | Feinorgh | 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:33.36 | Feinorgh | As it should |
| 23:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: and if you telnet 127.0.0.1 25? |
| 23:34.02 | Feinorgh | Same thing, src address is the same as with "localhost" |
| 23:34.35 | Feinorgh | I've been digging through the routing and everything, and googled for two days, but I can't get it to work |
| 23:34.51 | Feinorgh | And it worked with 3.1 and a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:35.01 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: connect to it, then run netstat -apn to see exactly what it's doing. [It works fine in etch here, btw.] |
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| 23:36.39 | Nemoder | how do I allow regular users to access usb devices in Etch? (camera only works as root) |
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| 23:37.11 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: I don't see much, except that "Foreign Address" is my eth0 ip |
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| 23:37.32 | TheArthur | Nemoder, not sure about this but: chmod +r /dev/<camera> |
| 23:37.33 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: do a netstat -apn|grep 25; and paste the results on a paste site. |
| 23:37.59 | Nemoder | TheArthur: I'm not sure what device it is.. and it's not plugged in all the time obviously |
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| 23:39.17 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: http://nopaste.com/p/atSK2nUCp |
| 23:40.02 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: 127.0.0.1:4238 127.0.0.1:25 ESTABLISHED12517/telnet <-- connection to localhost from localhost. |
| 23:40.16 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: so it looks like it's just the reverse lookup that is causing you problems. |
| 23:40.21 | TheArthur | Nemoder, need to fix the udev rules me thinks, but im not sure how to do it |
| 23:40.35 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not really a problem, actually) |
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| 23:41.39 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Ah, I see... but what would I need to do to get the reverse lookup to give the right result? |
| 23:42.09 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: change your /etc/hosts so that your hostname doesn't resolve to 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:42.18 | Nemoder | TheArthur: ahh then it must be set somewhere in /etc/udev but i'm not sure how that works |
| 23:42.49 | TheArthur | im sure somone in here knows how to fix udev permissions |
| 23:43.20 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: The hostname proper doesn't resolve to anything at all at the moment, it seems :-) |
| 23:43.59 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: well, you've got an entry in /etc/hosts for 81-229-71-252-no13.tbcn.telia.com which resolves to 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:43.59 | Feinorgh | Well, it resolves to 192.168.0.1, via the hosts file |
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| 23:44.52 | Nemoder | TheArthur: ahhh they changed the group from 'camera' to 'plugdev' adding the user to that group fixed it |
| 23:44.57 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Not in /etc/hosts actually, but possibly in /etc/mailname |
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| 23:45.12 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: well, /etc/mailname wouldn't affect it. |
| 23:45.21 | Nemoder | TheArthur: found that in one of the udev scripts, thanks for the tip |
| 23:45.23 | dondelelcaro | (the alternative is that you weren't seeing the right line in the log) |
| 23:45.52 | jeffwheeler | GParted is reliably very slow for me. It gets stuck on "Scanning devices" for about (an estimated) 20 minutes, then continues to normal. Whenever I make a change, it spends another 20 minutes rescanning devices, and then finishes normally. |
| 23:46.06 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: I can give you a more direct example, even though I don't know if it will make any more sense |
| 23:46.12 | jeffwheeler | My drives are pretty small (a bit more than 80 gigs), so that should definitely not be the problem. |
| 23:46.33 | antgel | jeffwheeler: a fairly generic idea - try strace -p to see wtf it's doing? |
| 23:47.07 | TheArthur | Nemoder, :) |
| 23:47.38 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: http://nopaste.com/p/amzNdYdB0 |
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| 23:48.19 | jeffwheeler | antgel: I haven't used strace before, but on 'gparted' (as opposed to 'gparted-bin' which it can't connect to) seems to be stuck on 'waitpid(-1, ' |
| 23:48.34 | Feinorgh | This is the standard postfix/amavis setup, but I only have access rules setup for my local nets 192.168.0/24 and 127/8 |
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| 23:49.02 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: you're connecting to localhost, but it's reversing the address incorrectly. |
| 23:49.09 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: have you restarted postfix and/or your machine? |
| 23:49.20 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Several times |
| 23:49.28 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: well, paste /etc/hosts |
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| 23:49.45 | BUMBACL0T | why's etch has builtin selinux |
| 23:49.47 | BUMBACL0T | ? |
| 23:49.50 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 23:50.05 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't have selinux built in completely, but that (most likely) is a lenny goal |
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| 23:50.06 | antgel | jeffwheeler: it's waiting for a response from another process - use pstree to see what gparted has forked |
| 23:50.07 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: http://nopaste.com/p/aPGxmniCab |
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| 23:50.36 | antgel | jeffwheeler: also - i don't see why it can't connect to gparted-bin |
| 23:50.56 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: why are you connecting to 10025, btw, instead of 25? |
| 23:51.06 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: It's the spamfilter port |
| 23:51.10 | jeffwheeler | antgel: this is the error when it tries to connect to gparted-pin: attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted |
| 23:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: uh.. and if you connect directly to 25? |
| 23:51.53 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Well, still the wrong src address, but postfix itself allows connections from any host right now |
| 23:52.07 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: what is the source address then? |
| 23:52.09 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: bitlbee doesn't work either |
| 23:52.30 | jeffwheeler | antgel: this is thee pstree tree: gparted───su-to-root───gksu───su───gksu-run-helper───gparted-bin───{gparted-bin} |
| 23:52.35 | antgel | jeffwheeler: i don't have time to really get into it - what user is gparted-bin running as? |
| 23:52.38 | Feinorgh | My "external" ip... this one I'm using now |
| 23:52.56 | jeffwheeler | antgel: I'll ask in #gnome, but it appears to be running as root |
| 23:53.05 | antgel | jeffwheeler: ah, you need to run strace as root. ps aux |grep gparted-bin probably shows that it's running as root |
| 23:53.14 | c1ru | what command is for change language in prompt? |
| 23:53.19 | c1ru | apologize about my english |
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| 23:53.39 | c1ru | i try to use dsl, i think is debian based minimal, but i can`t find how to change language |
| 23:53.50 | jeffwheeler | antgel: yep, looks like it's running as root |
| 23:54.37 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: No matter which service I'm connecting to on localhost, src address is 81.229.71.252 |
| 23:55.11 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: hrm. what a does route -n; and ifconfig; say? |
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| 23:55.55 | jeffwheeler | antgel: it finished loading, but I've reloaded it: it's running `write`, `ioctl`, `poll`, and `nanosleep` repeatedly, changing the numbers it's writing every time |
| 23:56.21 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: http://nopaste.com/p/afGQWauP9 |
| 23:56.57 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: I've been trying to route 127/8 to lo too, but same result |
| 23:57.30 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Now I've reverted to the recommended debian setup for localhost in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:58.13 | Ricalawaba | hm |
| 23:58.16 | jeffwheeler | antgel: http://nopaste.com/p/a8azMlcZE |
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