| 00:00.19 | antgel | jeffwheeler: that's the end of my knowledge :) |
| 00:00.23 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: wait, are you doing multipath routing? |
| 00:00.36 | jeffwheeler | antgel: no worries, I'll continue on in #gnome; thanks a bunch for your help |
| 00:01.08 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Not that I know of, except for the fact that I have a bridge setup on a four port NIC :-) |
| 00:01.17 | c1ru | anyone know dsl? |
| 00:01.35 | antgel | c1ru: this is #debian |
| 00:01.44 | cafuego | i have dsl2 |
| 00:01.59 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: hrm... yeah, I'd almost guess that it's something to do with your routing setup; I imagine if you ditch the bridge setup, it'll come back to normal. |
| 00:02.01 | c1ru | i know but i can`t find nothing more xd |
| 00:02.03 | c1ru | sorry |
| 00:02.13 | c1ru | dsl is debian mini based really? |
| 00:02.21 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: I'll try downing the br0 iface then |
| 00:02.37 | cafuego | c1ru: All card are model T based, but you don't see everyone asking Ford for help, do you? |
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| 00:02.43 | cafuego | s/card/cars/ |
| 00:02.54 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: but I don't know enough about the kernel level routing to be of much assistance. Someone in #lartc on OFTC may know better. |
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| 00:03.26 | c1ru | ? |
| 00:04.02 | c1ru | lol |
| 00:04.09 | c1ru | try dsl or grapup arraista |
| 00:04.13 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Thanks, you've given me some pointers at least... :-) Thank you for your help |
| 00:04.14 | dondelelcaro | arraista: 64M is a bit small to parse the package tree. You can run it, but you won't be able to trivially run apt-get. |
| 00:04.18 | arraista | debootstrap crashes in many strange ways |
| 00:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Feinorgh: np; good luck |
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| 00:04.53 | antgel | !tell c1ru about dsl |
| 00:04.54 | arraista | pretty strange... this machine was running sarge just fine |
| 00:04.56 | dondelelcaro | arraista: you can make it work if you point it at a pared down mirror, but it'll probably be easier to rip out the drive, do the install on a larger machine, and move the drive back. |
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| 00:05.08 | dondelelcaro | arraista: etch is bigger than sarge |
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| 00:05.21 | dondelelcaro | it's literally the size of the archive that is causing the problem |
| 00:05.23 | c1ru | uh? |
| 00:05.23 | c1ru | xD |
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| 00:05.37 | helloyo | hey guys, any dvorak converts here? |
| 00:05.45 | antgel | helloyo: yes |
| 00:06.04 | arraista | you think so? it doesn't get past debootstrap on the default installer |
| 00:06.07 | helloyo | antgel: i've been trying for some time to convert, but i keep running into a roadblock and wondering if its worth it |
| 00:06.10 | antgel | jeffwheeler: i just had a thought - is dma on? |
| 00:06.13 | arraista | even after manually activating swap... |
| 00:06.19 | jeffwheeler | antgel: DMA? |
| 00:06.21 | dondelelcaro | arraista: how much swap? |
| 00:06.26 | antgel | jeffwheeler: yes |
| 00:06.27 | arraista | 2G |
| 00:06.33 | dondelelcaro | arraista: hrm.. even that may not be enough |
| 00:06.44 | helloyo | antgel: should i stick with it? my main issues are shortcut keys (to remap or not) and programming, hard without being able to see the keys |
| 00:06.45 | dondelelcaro | arraista: I don't think the dependency tree will fit in less than about 100M |
| 00:06.46 | arraista | ???!!! |
| 00:06.52 | antgel | !tell jeffwheeler about dma |
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| 00:07.12 | dondelelcaro | arraista: if you generate a cut down mirror with only the packages you need to upgrade, it'll work. |
| 00:07.27 | antgel | helloyo: like learning many good things, learning dvorak was tough, but the worst bit was the start |
| 00:07.37 | jeffwheeler | antgel: looks interesting; I should enable it? |
| 00:07.42 | pinks | How do I fix an aborted "aptitude install" ? |
| 00:07.46 | rcbarnes | Okay. I'm using the config produced from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and I still get X freezes randomly. Nothing in dmesg. I can log in through SSH (and my music's still playing in CMUS), so it's not the kernel (outside of video, possibly). |
| 00:07.48 | dondelelcaro | pinks: rerun it |
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| 00:08.04 | arraista | i am doing a clean install now. i messed my sarge trying to upgrade and am trying a fresh etch now... |
| 00:08.09 | pinks | dondelelcaro: it's complaining about lock files |
| 00:08.11 | helloyo | antgel: very true, i did get up to about 25 words, and was really happy with it, but then reverted again, do you notice a real benefit? |
| 00:08.12 | arraista | sigh... |
| 00:08.17 | rcbarnes | I'm using a radeon 9250 with the "ati" driver |
| 00:08.18 | antgel | helloyo: i didn't remap keys as i think that's a crutch and hampers learning |
| 00:08.33 | dondelelcaro | arraista: yerp; it's the problem with smaller machines. |
| 00:08.45 | dondelelcaro | arraista: do you have a larger machine that you could shove the drive into to do the install? |
| 00:08.46 | antgel | rcbarnes: anything in x log? nb i had several radeon 9250s, all shit at 1600x1200 with dvi |
| 00:08.53 | helloyo | antgel: so all your shortcuts (ie ctrl + c) are relocated? do you use a qwerty keyboard? |
| 00:08.54 | jeffwheeler | antgel: is there a package I need for hdparm? I don't have either the executable or the file dpkg told me about |
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| 00:09.07 | rcbarnes | antgel: lemme look a the log. Where is is? ~? |
| 00:09.19 | jetscreamer | yes apt-get install hdparm |
| 00:09.20 | arraista | yeah, i do. but i am afraid i won't be able to aptitude upgrade it afterwards |
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| 00:09.31 | antgel | jeffwheeler: do you know how to search packages? aptitude search <packagename> |
| 00:09.33 | dondelelcaro | arraista: you wont directly without removing the drive |
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| 00:09.43 | jeffwheeler | antgel: yep, found it |
| 00:09.43 | Insolit | mkisofs has an option named "-exclude-list FILE" where file has the file names to exclude, anyone knows the format of this file?! |
| 00:09.47 | antgel | rcbarnes: same place as all logs, /var/log |
| 00:09.48 | dondelelcaro | arraista: but if you only point it at the security archive, you should be able to keep it up with that. |
| 00:10.07 | dondelelcaro | (and you can still dpkg -i whatever you want just fine) |
| 00:10.20 | pinks | How do I fix an aborted "aptitude install" ? I am getting "W: Warning: could not lock the cache file" |
| 00:10.32 | antgel | helloyo: yeah, but at least i can still think "ctrl-c" :) i use a qwerty keyboard as well, the other benefit is you learn to touch-type |
| 00:10.40 | arraista | yeah, but i will loose all the apt-ness... |
| 00:10.52 | dondelelcaro | pinks: that's just a warning. However, if you're getting E: lines, then it's because there still is an aptitude running |
| 00:10.56 | arraista | oh, boy |
| 00:11.10 | helloyo | antgel: thanks, i guess i'll give it another shot |
| 00:11.19 | rcbarnes | antgel: nothing at the end of any interest. Incidentally, I've got 1920x1200 running over DVI (to an LCD) here. |
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| 00:11.39 | antgel | helloyo: i think it's important to stick with it - the point when it gets really frustrating is the point where you need to grit your teeth and relax :P |
| 00:11.54 | pinks | dondelelcaro: yep - I'm getting "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover:" |
| 00:11.58 | arraista | I think I will prepare the harddrive with the larger machine and just use the security repos after that |
| 00:12.21 | antgel | helloyo: other advantages are that it forces you to touch-type, and teaches you the value of each keypress - stops you spending too much time on irc :D |
| 00:12.27 | arraista | ... |
| 00:12.46 | helloyo | antgel: haha, i'm currently making it hard to switch back to qwerty, so i don't when i get frustrated |
| 00:12.47 | dondelelcaro | arraista: yeah, that should work. |
| 00:12.59 | helloyo | antgel: do you notice more comfortable typing? quicker? |
| 00:13.00 | arraista | i thought it would work all right since the cd says it should work with 32M systems... |
| 00:13.16 | antgel | helloyo: it is /crucial/ that you don't allow yourself to switch back as a crutch |
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| 00:13.42 | antgel | helloyo: i have rsi anyway, and i still have to type a lot, but it's certainly no worse. i'm quicker for sure |
| 00:13.57 | dondelelcaro | arraista: hrm; I thought that was sarge. |
| 00:14.09 | dondelelcaro | arraista: this is >> 486, right? |
| 00:14.10 | pinks | How do I recover from getting an E: line while running aptitude |
| 00:14.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell pinks -about bat |
| 00:14.21 | rcbarnes | antgel: Yeah, I've gone through pretty much all of the file, and nothing here looks useful. |
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| 00:14.39 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: which driver are you using? |
| 00:14.41 | arraista | its a pentium iii, i think |
| 00:14.57 | dondelelcaro | arraista: ah! Just shove more memory in it, man! |
| 00:14.59 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: "ati" |
| 00:15.00 | helloyo | antgel: i am now in dvorak (wow, still remember it...), no changing back! with the amount i type it would be stupid not to learn i guess, thanks for your help! |
| 00:15.07 | antgel | helloyo: switching back to qwerty when learning is so counter-productive it's unbeliveable. you're just confusing your brain |
| 00:15.17 | rcbarnes | that's what dpkg-reconfigure called it |
| 00:15.18 | arraista | sure will do that... |
| 00:15.22 | antgel | helloyo: good luck and remember to take breaks :) |
| 00:15.29 | Insolit | how do i search in a man? |
| 00:15.34 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: / |
| 00:15.38 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: man less |
| 00:15.43 | Insolit | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:15.44 | arraista | for the time being, i will try the larger machine thing |
| 00:15.46 | helloyo | antgel: yeah, i am quite good at switching now though |
| 00:15.50 | arraista | thanks, man |
| 00:15.56 | dondelelcaro | np; good luck. |
| 00:15.56 | rcbarnes | CRAP! I gotta go. |
| 00:16.04 | rcbarnes | Be back in 1/2 hour or so. |
| 00:16.06 | buggy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.15 | Insolit | dondelelcaro: how do i repeat search? |
| 00:16.22 | buggy_ | lol |
| 00:16.24 | antgel | helloyo: i can type both now, but when i have to type qwerty, i force myself to look at the keys, easier on the brain |
| 00:16.53 | antgel | no point trying to be jonny big-nuts, especially when i have no desire to touch-type qwerty |
| 00:17.40 | helloyo | antgel: yeah, i use this computer most of the time anyway, so i won't need to change often |
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| 00:18.05 | car_watt | Hi people I have a file with extension XviD (video) I download codecs and install gxine and mplayer but i dont saw nothing any suggestion about it ) |
| 00:18.52 | antgel | helloyo: i had a little dvorak layout sellotaped to the top of my monitor for a while - just as a boost in the early days, but tried to get rid of it as soon as i could |
| 00:19.10 | antgel | also aptitude should reveal some dvorak trainer afair |
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| 00:19.54 | anabain | hi again stew, how can I make that coreutils is substituted by debianutils in order to avoid this error: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle., when running this: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --force-yes --reinstall install ? |
| 00:20.02 | helloyo | antgel: if i stop and think i do know where all the keys are now, just got to get used to it, especially programming |
| 00:20.38 | antgel | helloyo: great. don't be frightened of programming symbols. if you use them, you'll learn them :) |
| 00:21.19 | antgel | plus your workstation becomes unusable to malicious local hackers :) |
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| 00:21.40 | pinks | aptitude froze and I killed it with Ctrl C, then I tried to purge the pkg and got this output - http://idimo.net/aptitude_error_output.txt |
| 00:22.01 | helloyo | antgel: haha, yeah, i am going to change eventually may as well make it now, it feels so counter intuitive typing random qwerty |
| 00:22.32 | antgel | pinks: killall aptitude |
| 00:22.58 | antgel | pinks: rm /var/lib/aptitude/lock |
| 00:24.06 | pinks | antgel: ok -- trying that -thanks |
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| 00:26.03 | antgel | rcbarnes-afk-30m: if your resolution is that high, i wouldn't rule out the hardware. pc hardware is getting shittier by the year imo, and radeon 9250s and maxtor hdds are the worst of the lot. do you have another card to try? |
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| 00:28.37 | pinks | antgel: ok - di the killall and rm and ran purge again and still got E: lines Here's the output http://idimo.net/aptitude_error_output.001.txt |
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| 00:28.58 | biopyte | hi. i recently reported a bug with 'reportbugs'. i was informed by bts that this probably was not a bug, and it turned out that is true. sorry. should i do something (what) to remove that false bug from bts, or just leave it? |
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| 00:30.22 | antgel | biopyte: close it if it's not a bug. you can't remove it |
| 00:30.39 | biopyte | close it how? |
| 00:30.54 | antgel | biopyte: read the bts guide on debian.org |
| 00:31.07 | predder | I've got a box here with 2gb of ram, free -m says 1650 of that is being used however 1300 of that is cached and 250 is buffers. Is the memory being used for cache/buffers still allocatable to other processes if required? |
| 00:31.36 | peterS | biopyte: you can send an email to nnnnn-done@bugs.debian.org. the contents of the email don't matter, so you can just explain what happened or whatever. |
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| 00:31.43 | rue_house | erm |
| 00:32.09 | antgel | pinks: lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 00:32.26 | rue_house | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debain/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.gz Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. yet pwd = "/debian/dists/sid/main/source and ls shows -rw-rw-r-- 1 200 200 1797226 Apr 12 20:05 Sources.gz |
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| 00:32.35 | rue_house | so anyone know a working source for source? |
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| 00:32.42 | antgel | debain? |
| 00:32.58 | rue_house | damn |
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| 00:33.02 | peterS | heh |
| 00:33.21 | antgel | i type that a lot |
| 00:33.27 | biopyte | antgekl, peterS, alright, thx |
| 00:33.30 | rue_house | :/ thankyou |
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| 00:33.44 | ooglaboogla | I'm unable to get google sync to work with iceweasel, says must be ie v6.x or firefox 1.5x or greater |
| 00:33.53 | antgel | antgekl is on #debain |
| 00:33.55 | ooglaboogla | anyone know how to get firefox working |
| 00:34.05 | ooglaboogla | i've already remove iceweasel |
| 00:34.21 | ooglaboogla | and downloaded the latest firefox.tar.gz |
| 00:34.35 | antgel | ooglaboogla: iceweasel is firefox - you just need to change the user agent string in about:config |
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| 00:34.47 | antgel | for such broken websites |
| 00:34.48 | pinks | antgel: ok - did that and ran purge again and still got E: lines Here's the output http://idimo.net/aptitude_error_output.002.txt |
| 00:35.00 | ooglaboogla | antgel: ok i'll try that |
| 00:35.09 | biopyte | peterS, mailed it. whats going to happen? the report will dissapear without a trace from bts? |
| 00:35.26 | anabain | hei, can anybody take a look at my later post, please? |
| 00:35.27 | peterS | biopyte: no, it will exist in the closed state |
| 00:35.58 | antgel | pinks: what was the output of the lsof? |
| 00:36.06 | pinks | antgel: there was no output |
| 00:36.10 | biopyte | i see |
| 00:36.47 | car_watt | Hi people I have a file with extension XviD (video) I download codecs and install gxine and mplayer but i dont saw nothing any suggestion about it |
| 00:37.12 | antgel | pinks: how about lsof | grep config.dat |
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| 00:37.39 | antgel | car_watt: i don't think anyone understands your question |
| 00:37.49 | car_watt | ok sorry |
| 00:38.02 | ooglaboogla | antgel: what should the user agent string be, its' still not working |
| 00:38.13 | pinks | antgel: that gives me - |
| 00:38.13 | pinks | frontend 24390 root 4rW REG 98,0 50036 17009 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 00:38.19 | bokey | car_watt, i believe you need codecs to play it |
| 00:38.25 | bokey | !w32codecs |
| 00:38.26 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 00:38.57 | car_watt | antgel I will need to see a video with extension XviD but I have serious problem to see that |
| 00:39.04 | antgel | ooglaboogla: change Iceweasel to Firefox |
| 00:39.17 | FuzzyB | what's the command to see the line that the kernel was booted with? |
| 00:39.20 | ooglaboogla | antgel: under general.useragent.extra.firefox, i did that and restarted |
| 00:39.22 | car_watt | antgel I installed gxine and codecs but didnt work |
| 00:39.27 | antgel | pinks: killall frontend |
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| 00:41.04 | antgel | car_watt: will you tell us in what way it didn't work? |
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| 00:41.05 | ooglaboogla | antgel: ok got it. must be capitalized. thanks |
| 00:41.05 | overclocker | hi, i need libapache2_mod_auth, where is it in etch? |
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| 00:41.09 | peterS | overclocker: etch has apache 2.2 which no longer uses that module |
| 00:41.12 | antgel | ooglaboogla: pleasure |
| 00:41.19 | peterS | overclocker: apache 2.2 authentication/authorization has been rearranged somewhat |
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| 00:42.36 | car_watt | antgel ok I opened the video with gxine |
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| 00:42.52 | antgel | as has ssl, and i still haven't worked it out yet |
| 00:43.02 | antgel | but that's for another day, bye all |
| 00:43.25 | pinks | antgel: did the killall frontend - still got errors - here's the output http://idimo.net/aptitude_error_output.003.txt |
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| 00:57.05 | bokey | mama mia |
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| 01:03.33 | cafuego | ... echo ... |
| 01:04.02 | markybob | ...boo ... |
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| 01:05.25 | pinks | how do I recover from a frozen aptitude process? |
| 01:06.00 | markybob | aptitude froze? not the system? |
| 01:06.26 | jifix | how can i reinstall packages with aptitude? |
| 01:06.29 | pinks | it froze up - then I killed it with Ctrl C |
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| 01:06.51 | markybob | jifix: man aptitude |
| 01:07.15 | pinks | markybob: I then tried to purge the offending pkg, but I get errors in the output |
| 01:07.16 | markybob | pinks try dpkg --configure -a and then run aptitude again |
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| 01:08.12 | jifix | shift + L to reinstall in aptitude |
| 01:08.50 | pinks | markybob: done that - still getting lines like "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" |
| 01:09.10 | markybob | pinks: can you see it using `ps aux`? |
| 01:09.46 | |dennis| | Please Help: http://www.pastebin.ca/437447 |
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| 01:13.33 | anabain | can anybody help me: how can I make that coreutils is substituted by debianutils in order to avoid this error: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle., when running this: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --force-yes --reinstall install ? |
| 01:14.03 | bzed | |dennis|: /dev/md0 doen't have an mbr, you wanna write into the mbr of the first disk ok the mirror |
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| 01:14.17 | _kaiser_ | anyone know where I can find the source code for dmesg? |
| 01:14.17 | CaT[tm] | anabain: try installing both at the same time. |
| 01:14.23 | bzed | |dennis|: grub much more easy to handle btw |
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| 01:14.51 | bzed | |dennis|: and: you want to write the bootloader on both disks of the mirror |
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| 01:15.24 | bzed | _kaiser_: look in which package dmesg is in and get the source of it |
| 01:15.33 | pythonic | hi! is gcc -m32 option available (as no-op) on i386 debian? |
| 01:15.51 | bzed | pythonic: uh why as no-op? |
| 01:16.02 | _kaiser_ | bzed: yeah, I was having issues finding which package that dmesg is in... |
| 01:16.11 | bzed | _kaiser_: dpkg -S |
| 01:16.15 | _kaiser_ | ty |
| 01:16.20 | pythonic | because gcc on i386 will output 32 bit binaries by default anyway |
| 01:16.29 | bzed | !tell _kaiser_ about refcard |
| 01:16.30 | _kaiser_ | bzed: ty |
| 01:16.36 | |dennis| | bzed: was going to write to the other disk after booting, lilo got chosen over grub automagically during the install...., and lilo is not capable of writing to /dev/md0 on its own? from what i have been reading..it should work..but yeah..wil try writing individually.. |
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| 01:17.22 | bzed | |dennis|: not sure if it has the logic to write to the right place on the drives of the mirror, but I doubt it. and grub is selectable in the installer for sure |
| 01:17.37 | anabain | CaT[tm], after apt-get install --reinstall coreutils debianutils, got the same error... |
| 01:17.54 | bzed | pythonic: so what's wrong on telling it to write 32bit binaries again? |
| 01:18.12 | CaT[tm] | anabain: hrm. try downloading them and using dpkg? |
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| 01:18.29 | anabain | no, I'll try |
| 01:18.32 | pythonic | bzed: does gcc recognize the option? |
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| 01:19.58 | karsten | pythonic: No, they only met once at a pub, and gcc was in *very* sorry state at the time. |
| 01:20.22 | bzed | !confuse pythonic |
| 01:20.23 | dpkg | Yes, those was our hamster tomorrow, pythonic? wellies of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra ham |
| 01:20.34 | |dennis| | bzed: i know that grub is the default bootloader, but since i know, I have heard that grub always had problems with lvm or raid more likely the latter...and as such the installer automatically choses lilo over grub and actually on reading the syslog I find it says: partition is a raid one, cannot install grub lilo chosen... :) also..just tried writing to /dev/sda ..says device does not exist...yet i can do an fdisk from the consol and see its partitions..we |
| 01:20.34 | |dennis| | ird... :) |
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| 01:21.24 | karsten | |dennis|: I prefer avoiding LVM for root/boot partitions. I think it's reasonably well supported now though if you do sane stuff with it. |
| 01:21.49 | bzed | |dennis|: in the worst case install grub manually. although I'm not sure where you problem is exactly, it worked very well when I installed etch on my new desktop a few months ago. you may not put /boot into lvm though, neither lvm nor grub will be able to boot from that |
| 01:22.09 | karsten | bzed: OK, that's my understanding (WRT /boot). |
| 01:22.23 | karsten | bzed: ... it's also how current RHEL installs. Seperate, non-LVM /boot. |
| 01:22.25 | bzed | |dennis|: I always have one mirror for /boot, one for swap and one for the rest. and I'm using lvm on the rest |
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| 01:22.48 | bzed | karsten: anything else does not work afaik. |
| 01:23.00 | karsten | bzed: All the more reason ;-) |
| 01:23.07 | karsten | bzed: Even in pubs? |
| 01:23.12 | byon | morning. |
| 01:23.28 | bzed | !beer karsten |
| 01:23.47 | bzed | karsten: what's in pubs? beer? :D |
| 01:23.57 | karsten | bzed: Quite. |
| 01:24.08 | bzed | my damn back hurts... again :\ |
| 01:24.49 | bzed | and I can't blame it on beeing a geek and ruining it in front of the computer, it was a damn accident in the moduls |
| 01:24.52 | bzed | *moguls |
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| 01:25.20 | |dennis| | bzed: my boot is in the lvm...did you mean lilo instead of lvm when you said>> neither lvm nor grub will be able to boot |
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| 01:26.37 | bokey | bzed, get some sleep boy |
| 01:26.39 | bzed | |dennis|: yes, meant lilo there. you need to get /boot out of lvm. give it it's own partition, same for swap. having swap on top of anm extra dm layer is only bad for the performance |
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| 01:27.51 | |dennis| | bzed: already have swap out... :) though about boot as well..but was reading....and most newer hows to skip the part about putting boot out of lvm...should have remember old wisdom..i know form the past that its always a good idea to put boot out of lvm..and maybe even raid.....oh well...here i go again.. |
| 01:28.19 | |dennis| | i assumed that i was possible to put boot into lvm now... :( |
| 01:28.31 | calmar | hm, that writing didn't work really. I wrote that thing now on a windows-box. well |
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| 01:29.48 | bzed | |dennis|: as far as I remember does grub2 allow to boot from lvm. not sure, though. at least it supports raid5 |
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| 01:30.22 | |dennis| | bzed: thanks for your help..as usual... :) back to work... hehe :) |
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| 01:30.54 | |dennis| | bzed: one last thing.. boot can be in the raid mirror though..... right?? |
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| 01:33.03 | moqq | my 3.1 sarge debian system is running kernel 2.4... is upgrading to 2.6 as simple as installing the kernel-image-2.6*** ?? |
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| 01:35.21 | cafuego | moqq: yes |
| 01:35.36 | moqq | sweet |
| 01:35.47 | cafuego | moqq: HOWEVER |
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| 01:36.27 | cafuego | moqq: Some driver names have changed, so if you have a realtek 8139 card for instance, you may need to twiddle the drivers that are loaded. |
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| 01:37.00 | moqq | hmm |
| 01:37.01 | moqq | okay |
| 01:37.07 | moqq | this'll be tricky |
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| 01:37.34 | moqq | the computer i'm upgrading (and chatting from at the moment) is monitorless in the basement of my parents house like an hour away |
| 01:37.49 | moqq | so after i restart ... if it doesn't come back online.... |
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| 01:37.59 | moqq | im sorta f'd in the a |
| 01:38.41 | moqq | after installing the new kernel, i don't need to activate it somewhere else, do it? itll just be what's used over the next restart? |
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| 01:39.40 | bzed | |dennis|: sure, /boot can reside on a mirror, I'd make one for /boot alone |
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| 01:40.03 | overclocker | anyone could give a light about how can i configure auth_mysql with apache 2.2 |
| 01:40.12 | |dennis| | bzed: thanks.... ;) |
| 01:40.19 | Anthro | I have two PDFs of the same book. One is bitmap scans with good bookmarks, the other is OCR'd with no bookmarks. The page numbers are the same, so I'd like to somehow get the bookmarks from one to the other. Any ideas on how to do it? |
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| 01:42.37 | rrk | look for help with an upgrade sarge to etch |
| 01:42.53 | luisjose | how i can install acrobat reader on debian? |
| 01:43.05 | moqq | rrk: yeah, i was going to upgrade the kernel first, then upgrade to etch |
| 01:43.09 | karsten | !sarge->etch |
| 01:43.10 | dpkg | first read the etch release noetes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; then editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; change all non-local mentions of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch". Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. also ask me about <security> |
| 01:43.18 | rrk | i should have |
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| 01:44.09 | moqq | alright well im going to give this a whirl, hopefully ill be back on here after restarting in 2.6 |
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| 01:44.42 | rrk | i can't get kde up i need a new kernel but cant find any way to get a initrd |
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| 01:45.22 | karsten | rrk: kernel and kde shoulld be orthogonal. initrd is created when you install the kernel, if you're using stock or make-kpkg |
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| 01:45.51 | rrk | i was trying a kernel image current is 2.4.21 |
| 01:46.10 | rrk | i could not get the image to install |
| 01:46.33 | Vasistha | rrk: why don't you use one of the stock etch kernels -- 2.6.18 -- do you have a compelling reason to use 2.4? |
| 01:47.06 | Vasistha | luisjose: see debian-multimedia.org -- it's a debian repo you can add to your sources.list and it has acrobat reader |
| 01:47.18 | rrk | no i want the 2.6.18 what i have is the 2.4 im trying to get the stock kernel |
| 01:47.30 | rrk | that the problem |
| 01:47.47 | Vasistha | rrk: do you have an error message you can pastebin? |
| 01:48.37 | rrk | yes the problem is it doesnt find anything to make the initrd with -- i did get yaird installed |
| 01:48.41 | cafuego | !info libc6 sid |
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| 01:48.48 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4327 kB, Installed size: 10652 kB |
| 01:49.38 | anabain | CaT[tm], I've run: dpkg -i coreutils_5.97-5.3_i386.deb debianutils_2.18_i386.deb and then the COLUMNS=200 command, getting the same error: Couldn't configure preprend... |
| 01:50.38 | liable | rrk: have you read the release notes, the specifically mention upgrading from 2.4 |
| 01:50.43 | minus198 | Hi.. Noobyquestion: How do I start a program thru console without locking the program to the console? I mean, if I start a program and then terminate the console, the program terminates to.. thats what I dont want to happen.. |
| 01:51.16 | Vasistha | rrk: so, let's see -- have you already done the dist-upgrade? I did that part first for both of my boxes, and updated the kernel afterwards. Although I was also using the sarge 2.6.8 kernel in both cases. Maybe you should upgrade to sarge's 2.6.8 and then do the dist-upgrade ... |
| 01:51.19 | rrk | error is on flood |
| 01:51.48 | Vasistha | minus198: I think the best way is like this: yourprogram &>/dev/null & |
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| 01:51.56 | rrk | i alread did the distro upgrade that went fair |
| 01:52.06 | karsten | minus198: background it, run it with nohup, submit to batch queue. |
| 01:52.18 | karsten | minus198: cmd &; nohup cmd; echo 'cmd' | batch |
| 01:52.24 | rrk | i got icewm backup and what not |
| 01:52.31 | minus198 | Vasistha, Hm.. Pain to write that line. |
| 01:52.49 | karsten | minus198: Not really. |
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| 01:53.07 | Vasistha | minus198: yeah, especially seeing as it doesn't even work :P |
| 01:53.11 | minus198 | karsten, But nohup creates a file Nohup.out in my ~ all the time |
| 01:53.16 | karsten | minus198: aptitude install typespeed. And learn to use shell readline editing and reverse incremental search. |
| 01:53.17 | minus198 | Vasistha, ^^ |
| 01:53.23 | karsten | minus198: I don't use nohup m'self. |
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| 01:53.33 | karsten | minus198: I think that's mostly a sort of stale 1990's-ism. |
| 01:53.39 | minus198 | typespeed, huh? :P |
| 01:53.48 | rrk | kde won't fly without hal and hal wants udev |
| 01:53.52 | karsten | minus198: Typing tutor/trainer. |
| 01:53.54 | luisjose | Vasistha, i don't see any acrobat reader on it |
| 01:53.56 | minus198 | Aha.. |
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| 01:54.04 | minus198 | Isit better than KTouch? |
| 01:54.08 | rrk | acroread |
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| 01:54.21 | Vasistha | luisjose: on debian-multimedia ? I'm pretty sure it's there. look for acro |
| 01:54.32 | luisjose | ok |
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| 01:54.38 | luisjose | acroread seem to be the one |
| 01:54.44 | rrk | it is there under acroread ver 7 |
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| 01:55.04 | |chiz| | Anyone having trouble with changeing fonts with Gaim 2.0 beta5 on Etch, using the GTK+ Theme Control plugin? |
| 01:55.36 | minus198 | so there isn't really a easy way to exec a program thru console w/out locking the program to it? |
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| 01:55.45 | Vasistha | minus198: ooh, got it! |
| 01:55.45 | khnh | hi guys |
| 01:55.46 | jetscreamer | gaim is dead, long live the name |
| 01:55.54 | Vasistha | minus198: use 'disown' |
| 01:56.13 | |chiz| | minus98 what are you trying to say? |
| 01:56.13 | dvs | pigdin? |
| 01:56.18 | Ronin | jetscreamer: gaim is dead? funny seems to be moving along nicely |
| 01:56.26 | jetscreamer | pidgin that's it |
| 01:56.28 | Vasistha | luisjose: yeah, that's the one. It works great ... although it's super-bloated, so I only use it when xpdf isn't good enough for what I need |
| 01:56.33 | minus198 | Vasistha, ill try it rite away |
| 01:56.33 | |chiz| | gaim = pidgin |
| 01:56.34 | jetscreamer | gaim.org |
| 01:56.37 | markybob | minus198: use screen. you sould be using it anyway |
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| 01:56.53 | minus198 | markybob, screen? |
| 01:56.54 | minus198 | huh |
| 01:57.07 | jetscreamer | so aol owns *.aim then |
| 01:57.12 | markybob | minus198: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 01:57.17 | jetscreamer | err *aim |
| 01:57.17 | karsten | Ronin: project's been renamed |
| 01:57.20 | Ronin | jetscreamer: http://www.pidgin.im/ |
| 01:57.21 | karsten | !screen |
| 01:57.22 | dpkg | screen is, like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
| 01:57.30 | Ronin | new url for gaim |
| 01:57.36 | jetscreamer | might as well give them aim- bze |
| 01:57.57 | jetscreamer | hell why not let aol own the alphabet |
| 01:58.10 | minus198 | Vasistha, hm.. that didnt work.. |
| 01:58.11 | karsten | jetscreamer: Because ABC already does. |
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| 01:58.15 | Ronin | let me know when he's done :) |
| 01:58.18 | jetscreamer | oh yeha good point :) |
| 01:58.23 | ceeg | what do you do when sudo breaks over ssh :[ |
| 01:58.30 | minus198 | atleast not when i tried exec xmms --play ~/music |
| 01:58.34 | |chiz| | log in as root |
| 01:58.36 | Vasistha | minus198: heh, did you read man disown? Here's how it works... |
| 01:58.41 | rrk | screen is easy cntrl a c to create one cntrl a number 0-number of screens you have |
| 01:58.41 | |chiz| | :P |
| 01:58.51 | minus198 | Vasistha, nope xD |
| 01:58.54 | ceeg | |chiz|: when logging in as root over ssh is disabled. |
| 01:58.56 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 01:59.00 | jetscreamer | !rrk++ |
| 01:59.06 | Vasistha | minus198: don't use exec. Just do: 'xmms --play ~/music &' (without the 'quotes') |
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| 01:59.20 | rennen01 | hello all |
| 01:59.25 | Vasistha | minus198: after that, you'll get something that looks like [1] 3941 |
| 01:59.28 | minus198 | Vasistha, i didnt use exec |
| 01:59.46 | Vasistha | minus198: the first number is the Job number; the second number is the process number. |
| 01:59.46 | minus198 | I meant that wen i tried to execute |
| 01:59.46 | |chiz| | ceeg: login normally and then do 'su -' |
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| 02:00.09 | Vasistha | minus198: actually, just for testing sake, do kcalc instead of xmms ... it'll come up quicker and it won't be turning music on and off ;-) |
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| 02:00.28 | ceeg | |chiz|: holy crap, thank you. |
| 02:00.35 | |chiz| | ceeg: np |
| 02:00.44 | ceeg | i tried su root and it would continuously deny my password when i KNOW it is correct |
| 02:01.00 | luisjose | Vasistha, yah well i need it to read a entire book so i need something complete for bookmarks and marker and stuff. |
| 02:01.01 | ceeg | wait nevermind, i did that locally instead of ssh :[ |
| 02:01.21 | khnh | late guys |
| 02:01.36 | Vasistha | minus198: so, after you've got the job number and process number, you can kill it, too: kill 3941 is the same as kill %1 -- see, you use a % for job number. So you can see how you can kill it. After you've tried that, open another kcalc by doing 'kcalc &' and then 'disown %1' (or whatever the job number is) then you can close your console and watch it work! |
| 02:01.48 | rrk | vasistha any ideas on how to get a new kernel 2.6 |
| 02:01.57 | ceeg | |chiz|: it keeps saying my password is wrong. |
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| 02:02.20 | |chiz| | what version of debian? |
| 02:02.25 | |chiz| | ceeg: what version of debian? |
| 02:02.26 | markybob | ceeg you're not supposed to use *your* password. you're supposed to use root's password |
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| 02:02.49 | rrk | whoami is real helpful |
| 02:02.52 | |chiz| | ceeg markybob is right? is that the problem? |
| 02:03.06 | Sweetandy | Installation from CD did not go so well. I think my disc is corrupted - packages do not finish installing, and no network is available during CD install. It is *afterwards* though. Good or bad idea to install gnome-session, gnome-panel, etc., from apt-get? |
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| 02:03.16 | looktj|taylor | Hello |
| 02:03.21 | minus198 | Vasistha, hm.. If I do "kcalc &" and then I terminate the console.. KCalc dies.. |
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| 02:03.31 | rahul | Sweetandy: just start aptitude and pull in whatever you want |
| 02:03.32 | karsten | ceeg: su uses the root password, sudo uses the user password. |
| 02:03.34 | looktj|taylor | I installed xfonts, xserver, and gdm |
| 02:03.41 | karsten | minus198: That's where nohup comes in handy. |
| 02:03.42 | |chiz| | minus198: use nohup |
| 02:03.45 | ceeg | |chiz|: i never changed it, and the servers only been up a day. markybob, well yeah. 4.0 |
| 02:03.46 | minus198 | You mean that i have to type disown %1 and then kille the console |
| 02:03.47 | minus198 | ? |
| 02:03.47 | Vasistha | rrk: well, you'll have to have your sources.list set to sarge, and make sure you're connected to a mirror that has the sarge archives, and apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 should give you a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 02:03.47 | looktj|taylor | now when i start gdm and login |
| 02:03.50 | Sweetandy | rahul: I'll give that a try |
| 02:03.52 | markybob | karsten: why do you have to repeat what i say before people believe me? wtf? :) |
| 02:03.53 | Vasistha | minus198: yeah, you need to disown the process |
| 02:04.01 | minus198 | ... |
| 02:04.02 | karsten | markybob: Expanded on it. |
| 02:04.12 | minus198 | guess i have to stick w/ nohup then |
| 02:04.13 | looktj|taylor | it doesn't login all the way |
| 02:04.13 | minus198 | X| |
| 02:04.15 | Vasistha | minus198: what it means, is that your console is disowning it |
| 02:04.16 | karsten | markybob: I've clearly got teh voice of authoritay here. |
| 02:04.25 | markybob | haha |
| 02:04.26 | rrk | ok i will revert the source list |
| 02:04.53 | Vasistha | minus198: you might need to give it a minute to register the disown. And also, make sure you've got the right job number!! If it's job [2], you need to disown %2 |
| 02:04.54 | minus198 | There must be an easyer way.. |
| 02:05.08 | Vasistha | minus198: well, there's screen. That's easy for a lot of people |
| 02:05.09 | minus198 | Vasistha, Yeah, got that.. |
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| 02:05.25 | minus198 | Vasistha, Mkay.. I'm reading about it now.. |
| 02:05.32 | jetscreamer | looktj|taylor: did you try selecting a session in the gdm menu and log in |
| 02:05.35 | rrk | any suggestion as to where or just change the distro in the source line? |
| 02:05.40 | |chiz| | minus198: what about nohup? |
| 02:05.45 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 02:05.45 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 02:05.54 | ceeg | well nevermind, i numlock was off. sorry for wasting your time. :V |
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| 02:06.06 | Vasistha | minus198: the other thing you can do, of course, is just start your music from a Run... menu, then it won't be attached to a console ... although you probably don't get the tab-completion :P |
| 02:06.09 | rrk | i have already done a distro upgrade |
| 02:06.11 | |chiz| | ceeg: np :P |
| 02:06.12 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 02:06.12 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 02:06.40 | minus198 | Vasistha, I dont use tab completion anyways.. X| |
| 02:06.55 | looktj|taylor | jetscreamer: no |
| 02:06.55 | minus198 | Not for xmms anyways.. |
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| 02:07.19 | looktj|taylor | jetscreamer: I thought the deps installed gnome? |
| 02:07.24 | minus198 | hm.. a keyboard shortcut for the "Run" |
| 02:07.38 | markybob | alt+f2 , maybe |
| 02:07.42 | Vasistha | rrk: oh, you already upgraded to etch. So, apt-get install linux-image-2.6 should give you 2.6.18 ... although you might want, e.g., linux-image-2.6-686 or -smp or whatever |
| 02:07.54 | minus198 | Btw, why is gnome standard w/ debian.. |
| 02:08.09 | Vasistha | why is the sky blue? |
| 02:08.10 | karsten | minus198: It's not. |
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| 02:08.13 | rrk | i know the problem is it wants to make a initrd and can not |
| 02:08.16 | minus198 | Gnome is the crapiest Desktop enviroment you can have.. |
| 02:08.18 | karsten | minus198: It's installed if you ask it to be installed. |
| 02:08.19 | don_jr__ | Evening folks |
| 02:08.24 | karsten | minus198: Lies! |
| 02:08.24 | |chiz| | minus198: how are you closing the terminal? |
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| 02:08.33 | Vasistha | rrk: oh, oh, right ... hrm. yes, that's what you began with, huh |
| 02:08.35 | karsten | minus198: There's, um, Win3.11 |
| 02:08.35 | Ronin | minus198: not if you like it its not :) |
| 02:08.36 | minus198 | |chiz|, X.. |
| 02:08.43 | rrk | yep |
| 02:08.44 | looktj|taylor | minus198: I see kde crappy |
| 02:08.47 | Vasistha | rrk: maybe have apt fix broken dependencies? |
| 02:08.52 | markybob | eh. there were dislikes with qt's licensing back in the day...took a while for kde to even be in the normal repositories |
| 02:08.54 | looktj|taylor | minus198: no offense |
| 02:08.57 | Ronin | !start a wm war |
| 02:08.57 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 02:09.00 | |chiz| | minus198: use control+D |
| 02:09.09 | Sweetandy | ratpoison rules! |
| 02:09.10 | rrk | i thought i did i managed to yaird |
| 02:09.14 | minus198 | KDE == Good.. XFCE4 == THE GREATEST DE IN THE WORLD! |
| 02:09.15 | minus198 | :D |
| 02:09.16 | karsten | ion is a gas! |
| 02:09.19 | zamuro | !start a distro war |
| 02:09.20 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 02:09.26 | rrk | but it still complains |
| 02:09.27 | karsten | !windowmakersmite minus198 |
| 02:09.29 | karsten | Feh. |
| 02:09.31 | looktj|taylor | lol |
| 02:09.38 | minus198 | XFCE4 with beryl, Mmm (homer simpson eating on a donut face) |
| 02:09.40 | markybob | but hell, no one listens to me anyway |
| 02:09.46 | looktj|taylor | !start a DE war |
| 02:09.54 | looktj|taylor | see ya |
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| 02:10.01 | |chiz| | minus198: did that ctrl+d work? |
| 02:10.10 | karsten | erm, pl. |
| 02:10.16 | minus198 | Haven't tried yet |
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| 02:10.26 | karsten | So, is it true that the official language of Poland ... |
| 02:10.28 | karsten | ... is Perl? |
| 02:10.29 | minus198 | btw, where are all you guys from anyway? |
| 02:10.35 | karsten | ... or is that just the interpreters? |
| 02:10.43 | rahul | !penixstrike karsten |
| 02:10.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking karsten to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:10.49 | jetscreamer | !pal karsten |
| 02:11.06 | Sweetandy | How would I tell aptitude to reinstall the entire GNOME? |
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| 02:11.12 | don_jr__ | Can anyone direct me to a site that may be able to help me get my wireless runnin on debian? |
| 02:11.17 | karsten | jetscreamer: As my high-school classmates were fond of saying ... |
| 02:11.18 | rahul | Sweetandy: define "entire" |
| 02:11.20 | |chiz| | minus198: I'm in Nova Scotia |
| 02:11.21 | rrk | install -f is clean after i removed the image |
| 02:11.24 | karsten | jetscreamer: "Karsten, we're not laughing at you ..." |
| 02:11.28 | jetscreamer | aptitude install --reinstall gnome* maybe |
| 02:11.30 | jetscreamer | but |
| 02:11.31 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... oh, wait a minute, yes we are." |
| 02:11.31 | Sweetandy | The whole meta package |
| 02:11.33 | rahul | Sweetandy: gnome is a bunch of random unrelated and partially related stuff |
| 02:11.37 | Sweetandy | like, less than half of things are installed |
| 02:11.39 | Sweetandy | grr |
| 02:11.41 | rahul | Sweetandy: reinstalling a metapackage does nothing |
| 02:11.42 | Sweetandy | I'll have to reinstall all of Debian |
| 02:11.43 | jetscreamer | you might not want that |
| 02:11.46 | |chiz| | don_jr__: what is your wireless adapter? |
| 02:11.49 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 02:11.49 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 02:11.55 | minus198 | |chiz|, ah.. |
| 02:11.57 | jetscreamer | you could edit it |
| 02:11.59 | markybob | !penixstrike rahul |
| 02:11.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:12.05 | minus198 | Anyways.. ctrl+d didn't work |
| 02:12.09 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite markybob |
| 02:12.10 | rahul | wtf |
| 02:12.16 | rahul | heh |
| 02:12.31 | |chiz| | minus198: boo, I was sure that would work, did it close the terminal at least? |
| 02:12.32 | markybob | rahul: cant fight your own fights? need jetscreamer to do it for you? ;) |
| 02:12.33 | rahul | we should warn the noobs to be careful where they stand |
| 02:12.35 | Sweetandy | rahul: hmm I'll try to download Debian from an HTTP server. My bittorrent burn is awkward and screwy |
| 02:12.41 | rahul | "download debian"? |
| 02:12.45 | minus198 | |chiz|, nope XD |
| 02:12.50 | jetscreamer | !netinst |
| 02:12.51 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 02:13.07 | rahul | Sweetandy: are you SURE you want to download 100 gigs worth of stuff? |
| 02:13.09 | Sweetandy | yay netinst |
| 02:13.13 | jetscreamer | !businesscard |
| 02:13.14 | dpkg | If you want to install Sid and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 02:13.20 | jetscreamer | or etch |
| 02:13.23 | Sweetandy | rahul Yay |
| 02:13.25 | jetscreamer | or lenny |
| 02:13.30 | markybob | jetscreamer: you really like flodding the channel, dont you? |
| 02:13.32 | |chiz| | minus198: ah, you need to have a shell prompt when you it ctrl d |
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| 02:13.36 | don_jr__ | |chiz| I have a belkin usb wireless adapter. |
| 02:13.41 | jetscreamer | !flod somebody |
| 02:13.44 | rahul | !flood markybob |
| 02:13.47 | jetscreamer | no, no flodding |
| 02:13.55 | dvs | flogging? |
| 02:13.56 | |chiz| | don_jr__: no farmilar with that one sorry |
| 02:13.58 | jelly-home | !flog jetscreamer |
| 02:14.00 | Sweetandy | !flood Sweetandy |
| 02:14.12 | jetscreamer | whoohoo! |
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| 02:14.26 | don_jr__ | |chiz| in theory should I be able to to install it the same way I did on ubuntu, with ndiswrapper? |
| 02:14.27 | rahul | damn, I usually have to pay for that! |
| 02:14.38 | |chiz| | minus198: use & at the end of your command, or to put something in the background you can do a ctrl+z and then type bg 1 |
| 02:14.45 | Shane-S | my debian boot keeps haulting at.. input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 |
| 02:14.57 | minus198 | |chiz|, mkay.. |
| 02:15.09 | |chiz| | don_jr__: in theory... |
| 02:15.18 | Sweetandy | oh wait, no, NetInstall won't work at all. Because while installing Debian can't see that my eth is even plugged in. |
| 02:15.23 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: did you check the md5sum? |
| 02:15.37 | Sweetandy | Vasistha: I can't figure out how to do that. |
| 02:16.15 | Shane-S | it booted fine once, but halted while installing, since re-booting it has stopped at that input line, any clue what the cause could be? |
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| 02:16.41 | rahul | halted where while installing? |
| 02:16.53 | rahul | and booted fine once from what? |
| 02:16.54 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: md5sum debian-whatever-its-called-netinst.iso |
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| 02:17.33 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: and compare the output to the MD5SUMS file where the debian cd images are found. You should also do an md5sum of the burned disc -- that's perhaps more important -- verifying you've got a good burn ;-) |
| 02:17.38 | jetscreamer | then compare the 'numbers' |
| 02:18.10 | Shane-S | rahul: the CD and it halts here: Input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 last line I see on the boot screen |
| 02:18.13 | Sweetandy | should the disc be identical to the ISO? |
| 02:18.31 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: yes, it should be. You might even be able to do a diff. |
| 02:18.41 | rahul | Shane-S: huh... you said it booted fine |
| 02:18.51 | rrk | chk dmesg |
| 02:18.57 | rahul | the iso is what's on the disk |
| 02:19.02 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: off the top of my head, I think you would do, e.g., diff -qs /dev/hdb debian-netinst.iso |
| 02:19.13 | rahul | or use cmp |
| 02:19.15 | Shane-S | booted ONCE and froze during install, then after all my reboots it stops there |
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| 02:19.26 | rahul | Shane-S: booted into the installer? |
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| 02:19.32 | rahul | that's the only time it worked? |
| 02:19.38 | rahul | Shane-S: and froze where in the installer? |
| 02:19.48 | minus198 | haha, The sound in my headphones sounded[Glitch in my head.. spell o_O] so clean that I had to remove the headphones and check that the sound didn't come from the speakers.. I LOVE SENNHEISER! |
| 02:19.51 | rahul | come on. stop making this difficult for me. |
| 02:19.53 | Shane-S | ok...the disk boot the the Debian screen with Press enter to install |
| 02:20.15 | Vasistha | I've just installed debian on a standalone computer that will never see the internet. Is it okay to remove these packages? http://rafb.net/p/4M2SMU68.html |
| 02:20.19 | jetscreamer | keeps halting at.. input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 |
| 02:20.29 | Sweetandy | fascinating |
| 02:20.39 | markybob | jetscreamer: are you a woman? damn you like to talk |
| 02:20.40 | Shane-S | I can hit that and it starts, and it freezes at Input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0, but the first tiem it got past there and froze when it was copying files |
| 02:20.50 | rahul | the music in my head sounded so clean that I had to throw my brain at the wall in order to simulate moshing with it |
| 02:20.59 | markybob | puff puff give |
| 02:21.03 | minus198 | Whats your uptime on your Workstations? |
| 02:21.13 | jetscreamer | there is NO give |
| 02:21.29 | rahul | I'll show you where you've got give |
| 02:21.29 | jetscreamer | here, get your own |
| 02:21.31 | debian-san | I have a machine with very few remaining space left. I would like to tar some files and save them elsewhere on another machine on the network. How can I do that? |
| 02:21.49 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: I see no issue with removing those, UNLESS you have applications that require localhost IP. |
| 02:21.53 | Shane-S | gonna try my 3.1r5 disk |
| 02:21.57 | minus198 | hm.. I feel ignored |
| 02:22.01 | minus198 | XD |
| 02:22.03 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: remember, lots of linux apps communicate via loopback IP |
| 02:22.05 | Shane-S | thats was on 4.0 |
| 02:22.08 | rahul | !pemixstrike minus198 |
| 02:22.12 | rahul | arf. |
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| 02:22.21 | minus198 | rahul, o_O |
| 02:22.27 | rahul | !penixstrike minus198 |
| 02:22.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking minus198 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:22.33 | rahul | there you go. |
| 02:22.54 | minus198 | hm.. this channel is a bit wierd.. XD |
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| 02:22.55 | Shane-S | now the 3 disk works fine, I am at the the prompt to select my language |
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| 02:23.04 | erpo | I need a receiver that works with gpsd. It should be cheap and it should connect via USB. Can anyone point me to a specific product that will definitely work perfectly? |
| 02:23.05 | minus198 | How old are you ppl anyways? |
| 02:23.05 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: ahh. yeah, I was a little concerned about that. If ifupdown needed for loopback? Is anything else needed? |
| 02:23.15 | rahul | minus198: 35 |
| 02:23.19 | rahul | ALL of us |
| 02:23.21 | Miles_Prower | iptables not needed. |
| 02:23.25 | Sweetandy | This is a dumb question for the debian IRC channel... is Debian the best distro?? |
| 02:23.26 | lin_ | minus198, i'm 5 |
| 02:23.29 | minus198 | rahul, ^^ |
| 02:23.34 | minus198 | lin_, hm.., funny |
| 02:23.37 | markybob | Sweetandy: then dont ask |
| 02:23.41 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: we think its the best *for us* |
| 02:23.44 | rahul | Sweetandy: no, ubuntu is the best |
| 02:23.48 | minus198 | im 17 anyways.. |
| 02:23.51 | |chiz| | minus198: did that work for you after all? |
| 02:23.53 | rahul | at least, ubuntu is for people who think there is a best |
| 02:23.59 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: hmm. good question. try removing them after backing up .debs of them on the machine |
| 02:24.11 | minus198 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.21 | CaT[tm] | sweetandy: no. it sucks. we're all here following in the shadow of the darkone in order to currupt all who come before us into following the path of suckage. |
| 02:24.21 | minus198 | you mean the ctrl+z and all? |
| 02:24.24 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: the only one i can't be sure of is ifupdown |
| 02:24.29 | |chiz| | yeah |
| 02:24.36 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: well, I'll always keep the netinst cd handy -- is that good enough? |
| 02:24.39 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: the rest you can dump |
| 02:24.45 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: yes. |
| 02:24.53 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: wonderful -- thanks very much! |
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| 02:24.59 | Sweetandy | CaT[tm] Thanks for clarifying! |
| 02:25.01 | Shane-S | ok re-tried the 4.0 disk, same halt spot, I am going to re-download just encase it was a bad d/l, but any clue why it would hang up there and the 3.1 wouldn't? |
| 02:25.04 | minus198 | naw.. o_O Something didn't work out otu.. |
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| 02:25.10 | minus198 | But its probably just me.. |
| 02:25.19 | CaT[tm] | sweetandy: we're here to serve. now. please, do try debian. :) |
| 02:25.26 | |chiz| | minus198: too bad, it works fine here but I'm using gnome |
| 02:25.38 | minus198 | SBS [Converted to english - Crap behind the steeringwheel] |
| 02:25.51 | minus198 | |chiz|, i hate gnome.. -.- |
| 02:25.52 | Sweetandy | CaT[tm] I'm *trying* to help you help me, CaT. |
| 02:25.54 | rahul | !pebkac |
| 02:25.54 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 02:26.07 | |chiz| | minus198: to each their own |
| 02:26.23 | minus198 | I tried it for 10 minutes then I crashed on to the floor with spasms... |
| 02:26.32 | pythonic | PEBL |
| 02:26.33 | minus198 | so.. no more gnome for me |
| 02:26.41 | CaT[tm] | sweetandy: excellent! :) |
| 02:26.54 | |chiz| | minus198: thats understandable |
| 02:27.01 | minus198 | rahul, SBS and Layer 8 is better! |
| 02:27.02 | |chiz| | minus198: it works find for me |
| 02:27.23 | minus198 | |chiz|, you must be superman.. |
| 02:27.30 | minus198 | I don't understand it.. |
| 02:27.41 | minus198 | its so.. GOD DAMN UGLY XD |
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| 02:28.26 | Sweetandy | My root password and user password are the same!! |
| 02:28.27 | minus198 | And I'm not even religous(Spell) Im a fuccking atheist.. so.. |
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| 02:28.46 | minus198 | When i say "God damn" Somethng is really bad |
| 02:28.51 | |chiz| | minus198: meh |
| 02:29.00 | minus198 | meh XD |
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| 02:30.13 | minus198 | |chiz|, you know that Meh is used as an "short" word for men [But - in english] |
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| 02:30.22 | minus198 | in sweden.. |
| 02:31.06 | |chiz| | minus198: oh yeah? |
| 02:31.28 | minus198 | Yeah.. You look a bit reatarded and say "Meh" |
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| 02:32.16 | rahul | I look a bit insane and mosh wildly |
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| 02:32.33 | minus198 | ^^ |
| 02:33.05 | minus198 | DAMN ITS DISTURBING WITH ALL THESE LEAVING AND JOINING ALL THE TIME! I CANT SE WHAT IM READING |
| 02:33.05 | minus198 | XD |
| 02:33.28 | Ricalawaba | configure your irc client ... :p |
| 02:33.40 | zinx | imagine how hard it is for us who see not only the joins and parts, but also the occasional three lines of all caps/symbols from random people |
| 02:34.06 | rahul | I couldn't imagine how terrible that would be |
| 02:34.07 | Ricalawaba | you cant configure your irc client for that , tho :p |
| 02:34.19 | minus198 | I HEARBY FORCE YOU TO DOWNLOAD THIS TORRENT: http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3499432/Slagsm_lsklubben_6_album___blandat.3499432.TPB.torrent |
| 02:34.28 | RiceCake | uhm, no |
| 02:34.36 | zinx | minus198: this isn't a chat channel |
| 02:34.37 | markybob | minus198: please stop |
| 02:34.38 | rahul | I hereby force you to go into your bedroom and listen to some a.symbiont |
| 02:34.40 | Vasistha | minus198: it's probably possible to configure your client to ignore joins/parts. It's also possible to set up some syntax highlighting so the joins/parts kind of blend into the background and the other messages grab your attention a little more |
| 02:35.08 | minus198 | Vasistha, yeahyeah.. |
| 02:35.19 | cafuego | Ricalawaba: I think you'll find you can ignore joins and parts just fine. |
| 02:35.26 | minus198 | But, ehm.. I don't "have" the time |
| 02:35.27 | minus198 | XD |
| 02:35.53 | Ricalawaba | hmm i know that.. i was talking about configure your client to ignore "people CRYING IN THEIR MESSAGE LIKE THAT" |
| 02:36.00 | cafuego | especially if they have a bitchx quit message "+ Irssi: dimir [n=dimir@213.180.103.240] got gagged [4090]" |
| 02:36.01 | minus198 | is there a #chat on this server.. /me finds out |
| 02:36.16 | Vasistha | minus198: #freenode-social |
| 02:36.20 | markybob | remember to /leave #debian |
| 02:36.31 | cafuego | Ricalawaba: You can regex, ignore people who use two or more words in all-caps. |
| 02:36.48 | minus198 | ah :D |
| 02:36.53 | Vasistha | minus198: you might have to wait a little while to get voice in there. |
| 02:36.53 | minus198 | thanks Vasistha |
| 02:37.06 | Vasistha | np. see ya |
| 02:37.07 | minus198 | voice.. sucks! |
| 02:37.22 | Vasistha | patience is a virtue ;-) |
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| 02:39.05 | minus198 | Vasistha, .. |
| 02:39.13 | minus198 | Hate that, what do you call it? |
| 02:39.15 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 02:39.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 02:40.03 | minus198 | Vasistha, I know.. I tried learning to type long sentences.. But its hard.. |
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| 02:41.58 | Sweetandy | This sucks. |
| 02:42.11 | |chiz| | Sweetandy: what sucks? |
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| 02:42.38 | breadstick | Hello all |
| 02:42.47 | rahul | minus198: are you a girl? |
| 02:42.50 | Sweetandy | The fact that no linux distribution can recognize my internet connection at installation. At the same time, every BSD I've tried sees it just fine. |
| 02:42.59 | minus198 | rahul, no |
| 02:43.01 | rahul | I mean seriously |
| 02:43.07 | breadstick | Anyone installed Debian on a laptop with a ATI IGP 340M?? |
| 02:43.17 | rahul | minus198: you missed your ideal occupation |
| 02:43.29 | minus198 | rahul, If I were a girl, I would fuck myself |
| 02:43.33 | minus198 | GIEF ME A EMOGIRL |
| 02:43.35 | minus198 | :) |
| 02:43.45 | |chiz| | Sweetandy: that does suck, why don't you get a new nic then, they're cheap |
| 02:43.48 | rahul | no, you'd blab endlessly like you do now |
| 02:43.52 | Sweetandy | I mean, I think I KNOW whether my internet is plugged in. I was just playing a MUD in FreeBSD!! |
| 02:43.54 | Shane-S | ok I re-downloaded the CD, and it just stopping during the initial part of the installer, most commonly on that input like, but right now it just stopped at ACPI: I md5'ed the ISO's and they are both fine |
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| 02:44.00 | Sweetandy | chiz: Say, that's a good idea!! |
| 02:44.08 | rahul | most girls I know blab less |
| 02:44.12 | Sweetandy | chiz: What, fifty cents? I should go tomorrow. |
| 02:44.19 | minus198 | rahul, ^^ |
| 02:44.21 | cpare | Good evening all |
| 02:44.25 | cpare | Orlando Time |
| 02:44.27 | cpare | :) |
| 02:44.29 | minus198 | I just love spam! :) |
| 02:44.36 | Xenguy | bye |
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| 02:45.09 | jelly-home | Sweetandy: maybe you played nethack and only thought you were playing in MUD :-> |
| 02:45.31 | twobitsprite | I'm trying to compile alsa from source, but it wants the kernel source... I installed the linux-source- package, but it says it can't find version.h |
| 02:45.32 | |chiz| | Sweetandy: cheap = less than $100 |
| 02:45.42 | cpare | Question - Is there a Kernel difference between Server and Workstation in Ubuntu? |
| 02:45.51 | Sweetandy | jelly-home I haven't played NetHack in a couple weeks. |
| 02:45.54 | markybob | cpare: ask in #ubuntu! |
| 02:45.55 | twobitsprite | cpare: ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:45.57 | cpare | I tried #Ubuntu, but not getting help there :) |
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| 02:45.59 | Sweetandy | chiz: what, a network card? |
| 02:46.05 | twobitsprite | cpare: why should we know? |
| 02:46.12 | markybob | or care |
| 02:46.19 | |chiz| | Sweetandy: yes |
| 02:46.38 | cpare | figured the kernel is close enough to get help here |
| 02:46.42 | Sweetandy | chiz: A local computer recycle store has them in a fifty cent bin |
| 02:46.43 | markybob | !debian based |
| 02:46.44 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:46.51 | rahul | cpare: you're asking if the kernel is DIFFERENT |
| 02:47.05 | rahul | cpare: if you thought it was similar, you wouldn't ask that |
| 02:47.13 | cpare | Good point |
| 02:47.14 | jelly-home | |chiz|: um, I can get decent almost-server-level nics with vlan support for about $70 |
| 02:47.18 | cpare | thanks all |
| 02:47.28 | cpare | at least I can get an answer here |
| 02:47.44 | twobitsprite | anyways... can someone tell me what package I need to compile something that links against the kernel? |
| 02:47.47 | cpare | the #Ubuntu is crazy busy |
| 02:47.50 | don_jr__ | what command do I use to see what usb items I have plugged in? |
| 02:47.52 | jelly-home | |chiz|: I think <= $20 - $30 might be considered cheap, or even less. |
| 02:47.52 | cafuego | jelly-home: or you can pick up nearly free 3c59x nics at local computer recycle places |
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| 02:48.08 | markybob | cpare we couldnt even begin to care |
| 02:48.10 | don_jr__ | is there a command similar to lspci for usb? |
| 02:48.29 | don_jr__ | cpare is your nick registered? |
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| 02:48.33 | |chiz| | jelly-home: totally, I'm just saying that if I wanted to make my linux life easier then I would be willing to buy a new nic |
| 02:48.38 | markybob | don_jr__: really didnt dawn on you to try lsusb ? |
| 02:48.40 | Sweetandy | So debian saw a connection after install #1, but not during or after install #2. Peachy. GROWL, and it's TULIP!! |
| 02:48.46 | jelly-home | cafuego: sadly, those 3c905 don't do gbit, jumbo frames, or vlan |
| 02:49.01 | lin_ | don_inlab, lsusb |
| 02:49.01 | don_jr__ | markybob I'm a dope....forgive my ignorance...and thank you |
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| 02:49.41 | Kronuz | hello |
| 02:49.47 | jelly-home | cafuego: but yes, they are really nice in Sweetandy's context |
| 02:50.09 | don_jr__ | Okay lsusb shows my wireless usb adapter, but iwconfig does not. |
| 02:50.21 | Kronuz | hey, is there an easy way to change the icons for some given file types in Nautilus? |
| 02:50.21 | jelly-home | Sweetandy: "debian gnu/kfreebsd" :-> |
| 02:50.26 | |chiz| | Does anyone know how to change the font size in gaim? |
| 02:51.01 | Kronuz | how do you associate icons and apps to certain file extensions?... |
| 02:51.08 | Sweetandy | jelly-home I'm so excited |
| 02:51.24 | |chiz| | Kronuz: right click a file and go to properties |
| 02:51.28 | Kronuz | although I think it also works for things with weird extensions (the icons and the like) |
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| 02:51.34 | jelly-home | Sweetandy: you're hiding it well |
| 02:51.58 | Kronuz | chiz, yeah, I've tried that, and I can change just the associated program, but not the icons |
| 02:52.02 | Vasistha | don_jr__: that's likely because you don't have the driver set up properly yet. iwconfig will see it when the driver is loaded and the interface is created |
| 02:52.12 | minus198 | PORNTIME! |
| 02:52.16 | minus198 | *not* |
| 02:52.26 | minus198 | Maybe download some.. |
| 02:52.26 | |chiz| | Kronuz: yeah, I'm not sure about the icon thing |
| 02:52.36 | Kronuz | and also something weird happens, like if I change the associated program for a .txt file, it also changes the associated program for other types |
| 02:52.43 | Kronuz | (for example) |
| 02:52.55 | Sweetandy | jelly-home: I'm giving up on this cursed computer until i can get a decent working network card. |
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| 02:53.06 | lin_ | minus198, please join #freenode-social |
| 02:53.25 | minus198 | lin_, Thats for noobs XD |
| 02:53.28 | Kronuz | what if I only wanted .txt files to be opened by certain app... it changes other types too... (this I was just wondering, 'cause I might need to know at some point) |
| 02:53.33 | lin_ | mina_linux_Tux, |
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| 02:53.40 | lin_ | sorry |
| 02:53.43 | lolote | Hello everyone, I would like to know how one can change our to mirroir remote loading because I took very slow |
| 02:53.54 | marc\sigh | bah |
| 02:53.57 | twobitsprite | lolote: eh? |
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| 02:54.02 | marc\sigh | just installed a deb box |
| 02:54.09 | markybob | lolote: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to whatever mirror you want |
| 02:54.21 | marc\sigh | picked an apt source, that returns 404 on apt-get install ssh |
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| 02:54.31 | Kronuz | the thumbnails... that's also a hard thing to figure out... not to mention the sound previews (which for some reason only worked for .ogg files here, not .mp3 nor .wav files presented an audio preview for some reason) |
| 02:54.32 | marc\sigh | when i installed debian |
| 02:54.38 | marc\sigh | i could choose from a list of possibles |
| 02:54.40 | lolote | thx |
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| 02:54.45 | lin_ | minus198, well do you mind settling down a little and not being so random |
| 02:54.47 | marc\sigh | can i get that list presented to me again? |
| 02:54.51 | Vasistha | minus198: regardless of what you think of fn-s, #debian is not a social channel. If you want to socialize, please do so elsewhere. We don't really care where you go, but please don't be an annoyance in here |
| 02:55.40 | minus198 | yeahyeah |
| 02:56.04 | Vasistha | minus198: I don't want to be hard on you, but this is a busy channel, and we don't need off-topic chatter scrolling our windows even faster ;-) |
| 02:56.20 | twobitsprite | so, I've installed linux-source-2.6.18 and linux-tree-2.6.18 and the program I'm trying to compile still can't find /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 02:56.42 | Vasistha | twobitsprite: did you tar jxf the linux source? |
| 02:57.02 | twobitsprite | Vasistha: yes, and I made a symlink to /usr/src/linux |
| 02:57.16 | markybob | twobitsprite: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 03:00.04 | Vanpriest | if i want t launch /root/backup every midnight of sunday, what i have to put in crontab? |
| 03:00.17 | Vanpriest | i have 0 0 * * 0 root /root/backup |
| 03:00.20 | Vanpriest | but it doesnt work.. |
| 03:01.23 | twobitsprite | markybob: |
| 03:01.25 | Vasistha | Vanpriest: what's that extra 'root' for? Maybe you just want 0 0 * * 0 /root/backup ? |
| 03:01.26 | twobitsprite | er |
| 03:01.33 | twobitsprite | markybob: thanks, that seems to have done the trick |
| 03:01.39 | markybob | twobitsprite: np |
| 03:01.52 | markybob | Vasistha: root is in the "run as" spot |
| 03:02.16 | markybob | Vanpriest: how are your permissions of the actual file? can you run /root/backup outside of cron? |
| 03:02.16 | twobitsprite | man I love running "make -j3" on a dual core system ;) |
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| 03:02.30 | \amethyst | Vasistha: which crontab? root's crontab or /etc/crontab? |
| 03:02.44 | Vanpriest | Vasistha: the extra root to say crontab which user .. |
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| 03:02.53 | Vasistha | Vanpriest: sorry for irrelevant wrong suggestions ;-) maybe markybob and/or \amethyst can help you |
| 03:02.57 | jetscreamer | !LC_ALL |
| 03:03.19 | \amethyst | Vanpriest: which crontab is this? |
| 03:03.21 | jetscreamer | !find LC_ALL |
| 03:03.27 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: is /root/backup executable? Is this /etc/crontab? |
| 03:03.32 | Vasistha | marc\sigh: google debian mirror list |
| 03:03.40 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:03.40 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:03.53 | Vanpriest | OH DUMB ME :( it was root/bckup and not root/backup |
| 03:03.54 | lolote | it is what the name of the program to download the packages graphically? |
| 03:03.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'LC_ALL' (1): (/usr/share/doc/libsilc-dev/toolkit/silcschedule-SILC_ALL_TASKS.html) in libdevel/libsilc-1.0-2-dev. |
| 03:04.00 | \amethyst | heh |
| 03:04.09 | lolote | it is what the name of the program to download the packages graphically? |
| 03:04.12 | dondelelcaro | lolote: synaptic, gnome-apt, etc. |
| 03:04.17 | lolote | ok |
| 03:04.17 | dondelelcaro | lolote: and please don't repeat. |
| 03:04.22 | lolote | ok |
| 03:04.29 | Vasistha | hehheh |
| 03:05.02 | pinks | how do I kill an aptitude process that refuses to die? |
| 03:05.20 | twobitsprite | pinks: a big gun |
| 03:05.23 | mikes1 | kill as # |
| 03:05.37 | jetscreamer | rb |
| 03:05.38 | pinks | mikes1: what do you mean? |
| 03:05.47 | smacnay | Anyone here an modules blacklist specialist. I have a new etch install (now lenny) and have followed the /msg dpkg blacklist and /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs instructions for blacklisting modules. it isn't working. Any caveats for this stuff? |
| 03:06.03 | twobitsprite | pinks: "ps ax | grep aptitude" and grab the PID... then do "kill -9 <PID>" |
| 03:06.07 | pinks | mikes1: I've done sudo kill 99999 but it won't die |
| 03:06.30 | Vasistha | pinks: is 99999 the process number? |
| 03:06.40 | twobitsprite | pinks: use -9 to send a SIGKILL |
| 03:06.42 | mikes1 | pinks: still the same on reboot? |
| 03:06.44 | Vasistha | pinks: man kill is your friend ;-) |
| 03:07.05 | pinks | twobitsprite: cool - the big gun worked :D |
| 03:07.28 | sword | kill -9 : the .50 cal of unix |
| 03:07.30 | twobitsprite | pinks: np |
| 03:07.46 | mikes1 | hell before my life |
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| 03:08.25 | minus198 | hm.. Maybe i should sleep.. 5:07 AM here |
| 03:08.27 | minus198 | Bye all |
| 03:08.32 | mikes1 | bye |
| 03:08.33 | minus198 | *poof* |
| 03:08.40 | mikes1 | is he! |
| 03:08.49 | mikes1 | (*_*) |
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| 03:09.04 | minus198 | mikes1, ? |
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| 03:09.32 | mikes1 | minus198: joking :) |
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| 03:10.06 | mikes1 | Opera 9.2 goes well |
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| 03:10.13 | minus198 | mikes1, you know.. "poof" going up in smoke.. dissapering |
| 03:10.31 | bingyman | !seen test |
| 03:10.31 | dpkg | test <~test@221.226.103.189> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 72d 16h 21m 20s ago, saying: 'Who can help me?'. |
| 03:10.39 | bytekode | lol |
| 03:10.42 | minus198 | lol |
| 03:10.42 | bingyman | !seen *-boy |
| 03:10.42 | dpkg | bingyman: i haven't seen '*-boy' |
| 03:10.43 | RiceCake | ouch |
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| 03:11.11 | Kronuz | hey, do you know of a way I can change the CUPS printer's name? |
| 03:11.39 | Kronuz | (I can find only how to change the description, the name seems not to be possible to change) |
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| 03:12.31 | mikes1 | Kronuz: I remove then add again |
| 03:12.44 | Kronuz | but it never asks me for the name... |
| 03:12.49 | mikes1 | oh |
| 03:12.50 | Kronuz | (I don't think it does) |
| 03:13.07 | mikes1 | very rude |
| 03:13.14 | Kronuz | yeah |
| 03:13.23 | Kronuz | and it ends up with ugly looking names :P |
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| 03:13.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@121.97.233.142] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:13.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:14.42 | Kronuz | ... at least I got my printers to work (and the pdf printer too) |
| 03:14.57 | Kronuz | I just wish I could have better names for them |
| 03:15.41 | Dewi | what? etch shipped? |
| 03:15.50 | Kronuz | I got MS Office working in Linux using CrossOver :P |
| 03:15.58 | Dewi | hey that's awesome |
| 03:16.07 | Dewi | all it needed was for me to step away from my terminal for a week |
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| 03:18.33 | dondelelcaro | stop with the useless factoids, please. |
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| 03:18.42 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN. |
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| 03:19.12 | jpin | Hi, are there any hints of modules that should be unloaded to make linux faster? |
| 03:19.42 | Dewi | jpin: that would depend on their relative needs and what you're willing to sacrifice |
| 03:19.45 | mikes1 | jpin: remove ubuntu |
| 03:19.49 | dondelelcaro | jpin: modules aren't going to have an appreciable difference in speed. |
| 03:19.50 | mikes1 | :( |
| 03:19.54 | bytekode | probably not, but i like to blacklist 'pcspkr' |
| 03:20.01 | bytekode | stupid beeping :D |
| 03:20.09 | jpin | mikes1: using debian |
| 03:20.25 | mikes1 | 4.0,same,just joking |
| 03:20.43 | jpin | well.. the thing is that i've updated the linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 03:20.55 | jpin | and now kde is way slower... (i can really notice) |
| 03:20.57 | bokey | mikes1, why would removing ubuntu (stupid answer anyway) make Debian run faster ? |
| 03:21.09 | jpin | and i'm thinking it must be some module or something.. |
| 03:21.39 | mikes1 | oh dear,,I was being a little silly |
| 03:21.46 | dondelelcaro | jpin: it almost certainly has nothing to with the kernel modules. You're best off seeing what is actually using the CPU by using top et al. |
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| 03:22.05 | LookTJ|Taylord | Hi I'm looking for this networkmanager applet |
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| 03:22.12 | mikes1 | I find 4.0 has excellent speed |
| 03:22.37 | LookTJ|Taylord | it's a notification thing |
| 03:22.42 | jpin | dondelelcaro: well.. i just see Xorg, and it's nothing unusual |
| 03:22.57 | jpin | dondelelcaro: nice is 0 |
| 03:23.01 | bokey | jpin, for e.g., if you don't have/use usb, it'd be appropriate to rmmod usbcore, usbnet,usbhid etc... |
| 03:23.12 | bokey | jpin, so it depends on your choice & system. |
| 03:23.19 | dondelelcaro | jpin: that's just the niceness level; but regardless it won't have any noticeable effect on kde usability. |
| 03:23.28 | bokey | true |
| 03:23.36 | jpin | bokey: i need the mouse... |
| 03:23.39 | dondelelcaro | if you actually care about speed, kde or gnome are not the right window managers to be using |
| 03:23.43 | bokey | heh |
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| 03:24.08 | bokey | jpin, i use xubuntu myself but gnome and kde stuffs are still available to me. |
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| 03:24.14 | jpin | dondelelcaro: the problem is that this use to be ok with an older 2.6.18 (in fact, i have the same problem with 2.6.20) |
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| 03:24.46 | jpin | bokey: but kde used to run pretty much ok before.. |
| 03:24.51 | jpin | here, i mean |
| 03:24.59 | bokey | jpin, you might even try icewm |
| 03:25.01 | dondelelcaro | jpin: then benchmark it, then switch back to 2.6.18, then benchmark it again. Without real numbers we cannot help you. |
| 03:25.21 | jpin | dondelelcaro: how can i bench it? |
| 03:25.24 | jpin | which program? |
| 03:25.33 | dondelelcaro | jpin: it depends what you think is slow. |
| 03:25.41 | jpin | heh.. :-) |
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| 03:25.55 | jpin | it's some change in the kernel... i don't know |
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| 03:26.10 | jpin | and i think it's something in particular to debian kerneles |
| 03:26.24 | dragonfly | http://www.pastebin.ca/437604 |
| 03:26.26 | dondelelcaro | no, I don't me what the cause of the slowness is, I mean what in particular appears to be slow. |
| 03:26.33 | dragonfly | i've having troubles upgrading....any suggestions? |
| 03:26.35 | dondelelcaro | you can't tell apropri what the cause of the slowness is. |
| 03:26.49 | jpin | dondelelcaro: oh.. well, definitely X+kde |
| 03:27.14 | dondelelcaro | jpin: X+kde is huge. Some operations in it must be slower than they otherwise would be, while others appear to be faster. |
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| 03:27.40 | dondelelcaro | you have to figure out what operations those are. |
| 03:27.53 | jpin | dondelelcaro: yeah, but clicking a button and actually see in slow motion an animation that used to take probably 20ms... is weird |
| 03:28.13 | don_jr__ | Could someone help me get an hp lasterjet 1000 series printer to work with Debian please? |
| 03:28.17 | jpin | something is wrong |
| 03:28.27 | bokey | jpin, go to your terminal. type 'top' |
| 03:28.38 | jpin | bokey: and..? |
| 03:28.40 | dondelelcaro | the kernel has very little to do with actually drawing to the screen in X. |
| 03:28.54 | bokey | jpin, see what's causing trouble. look for CPU usage and Mem |
| 03:29.09 | Dewi | jpin: slow screen updates sounds more like X is using a bad display driver or something |
| 03:29.10 | jpin | dondelelcaro: yes.. but it is the one that schedules it |
| 03:29.15 | Dewi | jpin: (than kernel CPU usage) |
| 03:29.24 | bokey | Dewi, i thought so too. |
| 03:29.31 | jpin | Dewi: hmm.. that makes some sense |
| 03:29.35 | bokey | jpin, is your X using the right video driver ? |
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| 03:29.41 | dondelelcaro | jpin: the scheduling overhead is so miniscule that even if the scheduler is horrific you wouldn't see it at all. |
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| 03:29.54 | Dewi | jpin: top will tell you how much CPU is used by each process, and in total how much of it is waiting on I/O and how much is free |
| 03:30.01 | Rusty1 | htop, slabtop also useful? |
| 03:30.08 | GhostlyDeath | It me or do programs look more professional when themed under GTK and/or Windows? |
| 03:30.27 | jpin | Dewi: my Xorg is getting like 0.7 %CPU |
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| 03:30.38 | jpin | which is normal |
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| 03:31.23 | woodgrain | Building a cross compiler on debian and get the message: |
| 03:31.24 | jpin | dondelelcaro: yes.. but i was just wondering if.. oh well, i don't know |
| 03:31.24 | Dewi | jpin: watch the %id at the top in top, while you use your desktop widgets |
| 03:31.27 | woodgrain | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 03:31.27 | woodgrain | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 03:31.32 | don_jr__ | How can I install opengl on a laptop?? |
| 03:31.37 | Dewi | jpin: if CPU is your bottleneck then your id% should be hovering around zero |
| 03:31.40 | dondelelcaro | !b-e woodgrain |
| 03:31.41 | dpkg | woodgrain: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 03:32.04 | rahul | what's a good pci wireless card to get? |
| 03:32.18 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, yo, I've got it. Have built some other stuff already today. |
| 03:32.23 | rahul | even 802.11b is fine |
| 03:32.31 | Dewi | jpin: if your % id (idle) is low quite a lot then you can sort the list of processes by CPU usage and see what's dominating |
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| 03:32.37 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, I meant, yeah ... not 'yo'. |
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| 03:32.54 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: then look at configure.log and paste the relevant output. |
| 03:32.59 | dondelelcaro | or config.log |
| 03:33.18 | Dewi | jpin: but a good random thing to try might be, backing up your Xorg configuration and try telling the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" that you have some other generic/compatible graphics card and see if that has an effect |
| 03:33.39 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, thanks: #line 1949 "configure" |
| 03:33.39 | woodgrain | #include "confdefs.h" |
| 03:33.47 | dragonfly | i've having troubles upgrading....any suggestions? |
| 03:33.48 | dragonfly | http://www.pastebin.ca/437604 |
| 03:33.56 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: don't paste it here; use a paste site. |
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| 03:34.08 | Dewi | jpin: also worth noting that ATI and nvidia don't open source their drivers (I think) so the free ones in debian might not be the most efficient things in the world for nifty drawing tricks |
| 03:34.13 | jpin | Dewi: well %id is pretty high, and when i run something it lows to ~10% |
| 03:34.21 | bokey | jpin, do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 03:34.39 | jpin | yeah. i guess i'll try that xserver reconfigure |
| 03:34.40 | bokey | jpin, that'll reconfigure your X. select vesa |
| 03:34.50 | Dewi | jpin: it's normal for it to spike to low numbers, but if it's there a lot of the time you have bad CPU contention |
| 03:34.57 | bokey | jpin, that's as generic you can go. |
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| 03:36.23 | drako | to add a folder to the path list for all user you just don't add it to /etc/profile? |
| 03:36.25 | jpin | ok, i'm going to take a look on a few things regarding X, thanks bokey and Dewi |
| 03:36.28 | drako | i just did and is not working. |
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| 03:36.33 | bokey | np |
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| 03:37.05 | Dewi | drako: note that you will probably need to log out and in again for such changes to take effect |
| 03:37.16 | dondelelcaro | drako: /etc/profile is only read on the start of a login shell |
| 03:37.18 | drako | Dewi, i rebooted |
| 03:37.33 | drako | dondelelcaro, for X user? |
| 03:37.33 | Dewi | drako: also your own config could easily by overridding the defaults in /etc/profile |
| 03:37.51 | Dewi | drako: so check your ~/.* |
| 03:38.44 | drako | Dewi, i want it for all users |
| 03:38.48 | don_jr__ | Can anyone help me setup an hplaserjet printer on my debian box please? |
| 03:39.03 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, http://paste.debian.net/25494 |
| 03:39.23 | |chiz| | gaim 2.0 beta6 anyone have it installed? |
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| 03:39.53 | a_thing | Hehe, http://www.nuxified.org/topic/ubuntu_debian#comment-8372 ^^ |
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| 03:40.27 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: can you also paste lines 1900<-2000 of configure? |
| 03:40.46 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, I'm digging into that now, will paste. |
| 03:42.04 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, http://paste.debian.net/25495 |
| 03:42.07 | twobitsprite | gar... why is sound in linux always such a pain in the ass?? |
| 03:42.35 | rahul | it is? |
| 03:42.36 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: it's actually been quite a while since I've had a problem with it. |
| 03:42.41 | Dewi | twobitsprite: hasn't been for years in my experience |
| 03:42.42 | twobitsprite | the alsa package in debian doesn't like my sound card, and I can't get the alsa driver to compile |
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| 03:43.07 | Dewi | twobitsprite: what's your sound card? |
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| 03:43.23 | twobitsprite | Dewi: "00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)" |
| 03:43.24 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, error is in line 53 of pasted code. What's confdes.h? |
| 03:43.37 | rahul | ah nasty. nvidia. |
| 03:43.48 | twobitsprite | rahul: yeah... in know |
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| 03:44.08 | Dewi | rahul: I think nvidia audio "just worked" for me :P |
| 03:44.25 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: it's just an include file; it should be in a -I'ed directory |
| 03:44.30 | twobitsprite | Dewi: was it the MCP51 chipset? |
| 03:44.45 | Dewi | twobitsprite: probably older |
| 03:44.49 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: what is this that you're compiling, btw? |
| 03:44.57 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, I just opened confdefs.h and it is an empty file ???? |
| 03:45.02 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, mspgcc |
| 03:45.05 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: yeah, it should be. |
| 03:45.24 | twobitsprite | maybe I should write nvidia a letter |
| 03:45.36 | don_jr__ | what package do I need to install for opengl on a laptop? |
| 03:45.56 | Dewi | twobitsprite: did you see this page? http://jrblevin.freeshell.org/weblog/linux/mcp51-alsa |
| 03:45.59 | twobitsprite | don_jr__: I didn't think there was a laptop-specific package for opengl... |
| 03:46.02 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: well, I'm not totally sure what the issue is, but try adding a set -x to the top of the configure, and see exactly what command it's running when it fails |
| 03:46.16 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: it seems like it's passing an incorrect option to cpp |
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| 03:46.30 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, -I'd dir?? |
| 03:46.30 | don_jr__ | twobitsprite okay, what package can I install that has opengl in it that's not nvidia driver specific? |
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| 03:46.52 | dondelelcaro | woodgrain: -I sets the include paths |
| 03:46.55 | Dewi | don_jr__: it's going to totally depend what your 3d graphics hardware is. there are at least 3 common manufacturers for laptop 3d chips |
| 03:47.07 | Dewi | don_jr__: (intel, nvidia, ati, etc) |
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| 03:47.16 | don_jr__ | Dewi alright, how can I tell what chip my laptop has? |
| 03:47.45 | woodgrain | dondelelcaro, the only other set's I see in the configure file are 'set dummy' |
| 03:47.51 | woodgrain | where to put set -x? |
| 03:47.57 | solar_ant | can someone help me check if ssh server is running properly on my comp |
| 03:48.01 | solar_ant | can someone ssh to my ip ? |
| 03:48.38 | Dewi | don_jr__: your laptop documentation should tell you, otherwise you can try hardware reporting software such as "dmidecode" to list out all your autodetected hardware details and see if you can find it |
| 03:48.39 | twobitsprite | nevermind... I guess I only needed to compile the alsa-driver package... I was having problems with the alsa-utils package |
| 03:49.37 | |chiz| | do I change the work etch to testing if I want the testing packages in my sources.list? |
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| 03:50.07 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:50.09 | jetscreamer | word |
| 03:50.15 | jetscreamer | or lenny |
| 03:50.19 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 03:50.47 | |chiz| | jetscreamer: are you directing that at me |
| 03:50.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:50.55 | |chiz| | ok |
| 03:51.04 | jetscreamer | the 'word' should have given it away |
| 03:51.14 | |chiz| | jetscreamer: is lenny the next distro? |
| 03:51.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.25 | don_jr__ | Dewi I may ahve to use a detection software, laptop was bought used, no paperwork on it, would the xorg.conf have the right stuff in it or does it default to 'generic'? |
| 03:51.35 | jetscreamer | well it will take a while but yeah some day lenny will slip into the 'satble' slot |
| 03:51.41 | jetscreamer | err stable |
| 03:51.47 | |chiz| | k |
| 03:51.57 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 03:51.57 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:52.01 | jetscreamer | !proc |
| 03:52.02 | dpkg | it has been said that proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 03:52.07 | jetscreamer | !sys |
| 03:52.31 | jetscreamer | !lspci |
| 03:52.31 | dpkg | from memory, lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids |
| 03:52.36 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer: use /msg dpkg please |
| 03:52.39 | markybob | fucking fuck man. calm down |
| 03:52.46 | Dewi | don_jr__: it might have successfully done some detection, or it might just be generic |
| 03:52.53 | jetscreamer | yeah too much chatter on here you're right... |
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| 03:52.54 | d0dge | I'm trying to get internet connection to my windows machine through the linux machine, but it isn't working |
| 03:53.04 | jetscreamer | !samba |
| 03:53.04 | dpkg | i heard samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 03:53.06 | helo_ | having trouble mounting a udf fs dvd... mount -t udf /dev/hdd /media/dvd |
| 03:53.57 | jetscreamer | does -t auto work by any chance? |
| 03:54.01 | |chiz| | the ucalgary mirror is slow |
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| 03:54.17 | helo_ | says "can't read superblock" on all dvds i have |
| 03:54.22 | jetscreamer | and is it 'only' udf, or is there some other |
| 03:54.23 | helo_ | maybe my drive is bad... |
| 03:54.36 | helo_ | i can mount iso9660 cds just fine |
| 03:54.38 | jetscreamer | or encrypted dvd's maybe helo_ |
| 03:54.45 | markybob | |chiz|: use a bigger mirror. osuosl.org or mirror.org |
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| 03:55.12 | helo_ | nah, i burned them |
| 03:55.18 | |chiz| | markybob: whats the url for one of those? |
| 03:55.19 | Dewi | helo_: I've heard bad things about udf support in linux. dunno what the deal is. |
| 03:55.23 | helo_ | some were burned by friends |
| 03:55.45 | helo_ | i've never had problems in the past |
| 03:55.47 | markybob | |chiz|: i actually meant kernel.org, not mirror.org. sorry |
| 03:55.50 | Dewi | helo_: can you try mounting them elsewhere? |
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| 03:56.01 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.org even |
| 03:56.02 | |chiz| | markybob: no worries |
| 03:56.27 | don_jr__ | I have installed ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 yet it tells me ndiswrapper is not a known command....what am I missing? |
| 03:56.48 | jetscreamer | helo_: there is a udffstool thing, i've seen the package in sources but that's all i know |
| 03:56.48 | markybob | |chiz|: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main ...for example. check out their respective sites |
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| 03:57.21 | jetscreamer | !info udftools |
| 03:57.32 | dpkg | udftools: (tools for UDF filesystems and DVD/CD-R(W) drives), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1.0.0b3-12 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 03:58.26 | lolote | I download kde-il8n-fr and how i can install it |
| 03:58.36 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 03:59.03 | jetscreamer | c'mon, ask more botanswerable questions ppl! |
| 03:59.26 | lolote | because with kubuntu the installation is only done |
| 03:59.40 | lolote | and i don't know how to process |
| 03:59.57 | jetscreamer | you know i just tole you how eh lolote |
| 04:00.02 | jetscreamer | s/tole/told/ |
| 04:00.40 | jetscreamer | zzz |
| 04:01.04 | lolote | hey stop zzz try to speak french just to see |
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| 04:01.07 | don_jr__ | OMG what would be the path to the cdrom? /media/cdrom doesn't seem to be it |
| 04:01.31 | jetscreamer | lolote: your english is way better than my french |
| 04:01.46 | jetscreamer | don_jr__: you would need to mount it first |
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| 04:01.58 | lolote | ok |
| 04:02.06 | don_jr__ | jetscreamer mount /media/cdrom? |
| 04:02.16 | lolote | how do you want i explain |
| 04:02.16 | jetscreamer | that should work |
| 04:02.20 | bakle | what is involved in adding a new hd to a debian system? |
| 04:02.27 | jetscreamer | lolote: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 04:02.41 | jetscreamer | bakle: put it in and edit /etc/fstab |
| 04:02.44 | rahul | bakle: (c)fdisk, mkfs, $EDITOR /etc/fstab |
| 04:02.44 | lolote | for translate kde in french |
| 04:03.19 | jetscreamer | oh and partition it and 'format' it eh, like him say |
| 04:03.46 | d0dge | Is there any good tutos how to set up "home network", internet connection from linux to windows |
| 04:03.50 | bakle | rahul: do i not have to do something before this to have it recognised by the system? |
| 04:03.53 | rahul | jetscreamer: are you a canook or something? |
| 04:03.58 | rahul | bakle: usually not. |
| 04:04.17 | don_jr__ | I've installed the ndiswrapper-utils, why is ndiswrapper not a valid bash command?? |
| 04:04.22 | jetscreamer | rahul: no but i lived there for a year |
| 04:04.32 | sword | don_jr__: because you're not root? |
| 04:04.43 | rahul | really eh |
| 04:04.57 | bakle | rahul: when i do cfdisk, the new hd is not shown. |
| 04:05.04 | |chiz| | how do I make the update manager go away for good? |
| 04:05.14 | rahul | bakle: you TELL it which drive to partition. wtf. |
| 04:05.25 | don_jr__ | sword that was it...man I'm a dope tonight...thanks |
| 04:05.29 | rahul | what's an update manager? |
| 04:05.53 | jetscreamer | bakle: kinda like cfdisk /dev/hda or so |
| 04:06.02 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda... |
| 04:06.10 | |chiz| | rahul: that stupid orange thing that pops up to let you know that there are packages that have new versions in the repo |
| 04:06.13 | bakle | rahul: but the drive, say, hda#, is assigned by the system, can i assign that? |
| 04:06.18 | rahul | orange thing? |
| 04:06.21 | markybob | rahul: probably apt-watch-gnome |
| 04:06.31 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:06.32 | rahul | bakle: not really. |
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| 04:06.46 | sword | bakle: hda# corresponds to the partitions you create by fdisking /de/vhda |
| 04:06.49 | markybob | |chiz|: just remove the package. that easy |
| 04:06.50 | jetscreamer | bakle: what ribbon cable did you put the new one |
| 04:06.52 | jetscreamer | on |
| 04:07.12 | jetscreamer | is it sata, pata? |
| 04:07.12 | |chiz| | thanks |
| 04:07.13 | |chiz| | just didn't know what it was called |
| 04:07.24 | bakle | rahul: my current drive is already under hda#. |
| 04:07.40 | jetscreamer | bakle: then you don't use hda |
| 04:07.52 | jetscreamer | bakle: what ribbon cable did you put the new one, is the hd sata or pata |
| 04:08.08 | jetscreamer | bakle: or just use lspci or dmesg |
| 04:08.08 | rahul | bakle: why are you telling me? |
| 04:08.09 | bakle | jetscreamer: it is pata, as slave drive. |
| 04:08.16 | rahul | bakle: use whatever its name should be |
| 04:08.22 | sword | bakle: either hdb or hdd |
| 04:08.22 | rahul | fdisk -l |
| 04:08.24 | jetscreamer | bakle: slave on which ide controller, 0 or 1 |
| 04:08.31 | jetscreamer | what sword said |
| 04:08.31 | markybob | rahul: heh...you crack me up :) |
| 04:08.43 | rahul | !crack markybob |
| 04:08.45 | |chiz| | I see my xorg is being updated, is that going to break my flgrx install that I did manually?? |
| 04:08.46 | rahul | haha |
| 04:08.47 | bakle | jetscreamer: slave on 0 |
| 04:08.57 | jetscreamer | hdb bakle |
| 04:09.13 | bakle | jetscreamer: thks. |
| 04:09.18 | rahul | |chiz|: yes, which is why you're told to not do that |
| 04:09.33 | jetscreamer | |chiz|: just reinstall it |
| 04:09.42 | jetscreamer | it's not a big deal |
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| 04:09.49 | rahul | |chiz|: just install the debian fglrx packages... |
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| 04:10.00 | |chiz| | rahul: the version was old and crappy, and your right the reinstall isnot bad |
| 04:10.04 | jetscreamer | better to use the older debian eh |
| 04:10.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 04:10.27 | jetscreamer | note: newer ones are in experimental |
| 04:10.33 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 04:10.39 | |chiz| | I know |
| 04:10.43 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:10.48 | |chiz| | but I don't mind the odd crash |
| 04:11.09 | bakle | to confirm before i go away to work on it: use cfdisk to create /dev/hdb and partition, then mkfs to create fs and the edit /etc/fstab to add in the new fs. right? |
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| 04:11.18 | |chiz| | glut was drawing really gross lines with the fglrx that was in etch by default |
| 04:11.26 | jetscreamer | mkfs.WHATYOUWANT |
| 04:11.28 | don_jr__ | Why does iwconfig not work on debian? What command do I need to use to see if my wirless is started or not, and if I have ndiswrapper installed and I sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, why does it not find it? |
| 04:11.38 | jetscreamer | mkfs.vfat mkfs.jfs mkfs.whatever |
| 04:11.39 | lolote | why i don't hava adept |
| 04:11.46 | jetscreamer | aptitude |
| 04:11.51 | jetscreamer | not adept |
| 04:11.54 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:11.59 | lolote | Mmm |
| 04:12.00 | bakle | jetscreamer: mkfs.ext2? |
| 04:12.16 | lolote | like packtage graphic |
| 04:12.25 | jetscreamer | bakle: you should probably use ext3, but yeah iirc.. man mkfs and it will tell you i think |
| 04:12.25 | lolote | to download pack |
| 04:12.30 | jetscreamer | or just ls /bin or so |
| 04:12.41 | bakle | k, bye. |
| 04:12.47 | sword | ls |
| 04:12.51 | sword | err damn |
| 04:12.51 | byon | fortune cookie! |
| 04:13.09 | jetscreamer | /sbin/mkfs.* |
| 04:13.16 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 04:13.29 | lolote | how i can download pack |
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| 04:13.39 | jetscreamer | lolote: synaptic ? |
| 04:13.54 | lolote | ok it's synaptic on kde ?? |
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| 04:14.03 | lolote | no habitually is adept |
| 04:14.04 | sword | lolote: sure |
| 04:14.07 | jetscreamer | synaptic is like crossplatform iirc but yeah |
| 04:14.18 | don_jr__ | lolote adept is for ubuntu |
| 04:14.18 | lolote | adept it's for kubuntu |
| 04:14.24 | jetscreamer | cross-desktop |
| 04:14.28 | lolote | ok |
| 04:14.30 | don_jr__ | lolote use aptitude to download a package |
| 04:14.42 | jetscreamer | aptitude has a gui-ish thingy |
| 04:14.59 | lolote | ok |
| 04:15.14 | jetscreamer | try both |
| 04:15.22 | jetscreamer | or something else... whatever works for you |
| 04:15.41 | rahul | or nothing |
| 04:16.01 | jetscreamer | *insert dselect plug here* |
| 04:16.28 | Dewi | rahul: don't encourage them to roll their own |
| 04:16.50 | don_jr__ | ndiswrapper -l shows the inf file I have added to the module list, but sudo modprobe ndiswrapper says the module doesn't exist.... |
| 04:16.53 | Dewi | rahul: I'm so glad that mentality has shrunk right back to the gentoo community where it can be safely ignored and/or mocked |
| 04:17.51 | rahul | everybody wants a puff these days. |
| 04:17.53 | markybob | don_jr__: you probably didnt depmod -a prior to modprobing |
| 04:17.57 | don_jr__ | not me |
| 04:18.17 | jetscreamer | clinton does! |
| 04:18.19 | don_jr__ | markybob no I didn't must have missed that part in the instructions. Thanks alot |
| 04:18.25 | markybob | np |
| 04:18.44 | rahul | it's wasted on clinton |
| 04:18.47 | jetscreamer | yay markybob |
| 04:18.48 | don_jr__ | markybob that didn't help, same error |
| 04:18.50 | rahul | at least obama will actually inhale |
| 04:19.00 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:19.07 | markybob | don_jr__: did you install the kernel module or just the utility? |
| 04:19.23 | markybob | don_jr__: m-a a-i ndiswrapper for the hell of it |
| 04:19.43 | jetscreamer | haggz: the first one? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 04:19.59 | lolote | ok i have download kde-il8n-fr but there is a manner to install the packtage alone ? |
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| 04:20.12 | jetscreamer | lolote: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 04:20.16 | lolote | juste by itself |
| 04:20.18 | jetscreamer | as root or using sudo |
| 04:20.20 | lolote | ohh ok |
| 04:20.26 | don_jr__ | markybob what ever that m-a a-i means it's working, will I need to install the inf file again? |
| 04:20.27 | jetscreamer | yes but fill in the package name |
| 04:20.31 | lolote | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.54 | markybob | don_jr__: it's compiling and installing the kernel module part for you. you'll be fine after that you should be able to modprobe it |
| 04:20.56 | jetscreamer | tab complete is your friend |
| 04:21.16 | don_jr__ | markybob alrighty, thanks alot! |
| 04:21.19 | markybob | np |
| 04:21.46 | jetscreamer | markie post was hot, but i bet you're not related... |
| 04:22.06 | lolote | ok that didn't work |
| 04:22.32 | jetscreamer | lolote: better to apt-get instal it, or aptitude install , or use synaptic |
| 04:22.55 | jetscreamer | you need dependencies no doubt |
| 04:23.30 | lolote | i didn't have synapti |
| 04:23.31 | haggz | jetscreamer: not that one, I only have one disk controller. I tried to look for the device in the mini-shell i got dumped to after kernel couldnt find the root file system, but the kernel had never found my hd at all. I googled for a cpl hours and found out it has to do with the version of initramfs-tools in etch, I think... |
| 04:23.37 | don_jr__ | man installing wireless on a desktop is a pain |
| 04:23.53 | jetscreamer | aptitude install kde-i18n-fr |
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| 04:24.21 | jetscreamer | haggz: did you pass --initrd to make-kpkg ? |
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| 04:24.30 | jetscreamer | lolote: aptitude install kde-i18n-fr |
| 04:24.42 | lolote | ok |
| 04:24.56 | Feinorgh | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your tip about #lartc@oftc.net, got it sorted now |
| 04:25.48 | kbidd | i'm having some problems with my sudoers file... im trying to allow the user "keith" to run any command, but only after lecturing about the security risks, and verifying the users password... can anybody give me the line to do that? I read the manfile, but am still confused. |
| 04:25.50 | jetscreamer | haggz: if you're rolling your own, do you really 'need' initrd? |
| 04:26.06 | lolote | I have has to put deposits |
| 04:26.17 | lolote | like multiverse and universe |
| 04:26.21 | jetscreamer | kbidd: you mean it's asking you everytime? new behavior? |
| 04:26.33 | sword | kbidd: if you user needs a lecture each time, then maybe giving him full root is a bad idea. |
| 04:26.36 | haggz | jetscreamer: i always compile kernels with make commands and move the files myself, it didnt have a problem with making the ram filesystem. And no, as a matter of fact, apparently the solution to this is issue is to put your sata support into the kernel itself and not as modules and avoid the initrd. |
| 04:26.38 | jetscreamer | !tell lolote -about contrib |
| 04:26.56 | lolote | but there is an error |
| 04:26.57 | kbidd | jetscreamer, no.... im trying to add a new entry with the behavior i described |
| 04:26.59 | jetscreamer | lolote: the bot should have /msg'd you |
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| 04:27.11 | Dewi | sword: I wish I still lived in that wonderful idealistic world |
| 04:27.13 | haggz | jetscreamer: so yeah you just picked the solution, i dont need the kernel, just hobby/tinkering so im not gonna bother recompiling it |
| 04:27.24 | kbidd | sword, lecturing every time isnt really necissary... just a nice reminder to be careful |
| 04:27.26 | jetscreamer | s/kernel/initrd/ eh |
| 04:27.32 | lolote | don't do abreviation please , i dont understand |
| 04:27.58 | sword | Dewi: huh? Where'd that come from? |
| 04:28.01 | jetscreamer | take the initrd directive out of menu.lst is all you need to do then imo haggz |
| 04:28.15 | jetscreamer | lolote: the bot should have /messaged you |
| 04:28.26 | jetscreamer | with how to add to sources.list |
| 04:28.31 | haggz | jetscreamer: but I didn't actually compile the kernel that way, I'd have to change my config and recompil it |
| 04:28.37 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:28.43 | jetscreamer | yeah you said that nm :/ |
| 04:29.10 | lolote | how i can log root |
| 04:29.10 | kbidd | right now im using "Defaults env_reset, lecture=always, verifypw=always" |
| 04:29.11 | kbidd | and "keith ALL= ALL" |
| 04:29.12 | lolote | su root |
| 04:29.13 | jetscreamer | be sure you compile everything you need to boot, in |
| 04:29.15 | sword | kbidd: Well, I can tell you that ALL=(ALL) ALL is the privs line |
| 04:29.30 | Dewi | sword: I'm on holidays; last week I had to give root to a guy who didn't know basic shell usage; within 24 hours he was calling both data centres and requesting they power cycle the machines: just in case it helped more than a controlled reboot, to undo the damage of his ridiculous configuration changes |
| 04:29.37 | lolote | i will check it tomorrow |
| 04:29.45 | jetscreamer | lolote: ctrl+alt+F2,F3.... ctrl+alt+F7 to get back. or just pull up an xterm and do su |
| 04:29.51 | lolote | or today^^ |
| 04:30.12 | sword | Dewi: you on call? that sucks :) |
| 04:30.14 | Dewi | sword: but 100 "be careful" messages wouldn't help these people actually think about what they are doing instead of panicking and doing crazy things |
| 04:30.22 | kbidd | but what ive got now is allowing the user to execute commands with sudo without verifying their password |
| 04:30.26 | liable | Dewi: hehe |
| 04:30.55 | Dewi | they literally went "fuck, a normal reboot didn't undo the changes I made to the apache configuration. Better call the WRONG DATA CENTRE and ask them to power cycle machines" |
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| 04:31.25 | liable | thats quite scary if they are supposed to be real admins.. |
| 04:31.32 | sword | Dewi: did you lart him good? |
| 04:31.38 | Dewi | sword: yeah |
| 04:31.42 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 04:32.04 | don_jr__ | lsusb shows my wirless adapter, I use ndiswrapper to install the drivers, yet it still doesn't show in iwconfig, any clues? |
| 04:32.12 | Dewi | liable: it's quite scary for anyone who claims to have a brain. my boss insists that 4 months is too short a time in this city of 2 million people, to hire somebody who knows what "cd .." does |
| 04:32.27 | concept10 | Dewi, these are admins with root shell access |
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| 04:32.35 | liable | Dewi: scary |
| 04:32.43 | concept10 | ? |
| 04:32.51 | lolote | I under connecting in root and I cannot even reach /etc/apt/sources.list:permission denied ?? |
| 04:33.02 | DocPlatypus | Dewi: computer literacy is way undertaught in this day and age |
| 04:33.07 | don_jr__ | lolote try sudo? |
| 04:33.18 | lolote | but im on debian |
| 04:33.29 | lolote | ok i will try |
| 04:33.32 | don_jr__ | lolote and you are logged in as root? |
| 04:33.33 | Dewi | liable: I don't blame them for not knowing how to use the shell, but I do blame them for not knowing what "being careful" is... reversing changes, restoring pre-change versions from backup, testing changes on harmless dev boxes... people just don't seem to understand these simple *non-technical* principles no matter how much I repeat them |
| 04:33.37 | DocPlatypus | or shall I say, what is commonly understood as "computer literacy" has been redefined down to the level where any kid who can move the mouse pointer and type with one finger is "computer literate" |
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| 04:33.53 | lolote | yes |
| 04:34.13 | lolote | WTF lol |
| 04:34.16 | DocPlatypus | Dewi: I *do* blame them for not knowing how to use the shell. It's called RTFM and STFW. if you don't know how to use it, either learn or get someone else to do it |
| 04:34.17 | liable | Dewi: everyone is always in a rush |
| 04:34.26 | lolote | is't a bug?? |
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| 04:34.56 | don_jr__ | !one-liner |
| 04:35.02 | don_jr__ | !one liner |
| 04:35.02 | Dewi | liable: this guy is always very fast to complete his tasks because he just gets other people to do them for him |
| 04:35.13 | don_jr__ | bah, whre is the one liner command for installing nvidia drivers? |
| 04:35.13 | liable | heh |
| 04:35.23 | don_jr__ | !nvidia |
| 04:35.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 04:35.39 | liable | Dewi: /msg dpkg foofactoid |
| 04:35.47 | liable | don_jr__: ^^^ |
| 04:35.57 | lolote | hey jetscreamer |
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| 04:36.08 | DocPlatypus | don_jr__: bot does not have working crystal ball. you have to ask it *which* one-liner. |
| 04:36.15 | lolote | I under connecting in root and I cannot even reach /etc/apt/sources.list:permission denied ?? |
| 04:36.28 | Dewi | liable: you'd think he'd go "hmm, I don't know what a symlink is, maybe instead of asking for more work or staring at the screen blankly I should learn what they are". but this guy has no tertiary quals apart from one of those corporate "cert" things, so he probably never learned how to learn |
| 04:36.31 | don_jr__ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:36.31 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 04:36.33 | liable | lolote: exavtly what command are you using? |
| 04:36.47 | liable | don_jr__: please msg the bot |
| 04:37.01 | don_jr__ | liable I'll give that a shot... |
| 04:37.09 | lolote | if i writt /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:37.24 | lolote | * /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:37.27 | liable | lolote: what command are you using? |
| 04:37.39 | liable | lolote: are you using a gui text editor? |
| 04:37.42 | \amethyst | lolote: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:38.03 | lolote | i try to open /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:38.17 | Dewi | lolote: that's a system configuration file so only root can write it |
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| 04:38.26 | \amethyst | liable: trying to run /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:38.33 | \amethyst | lolote: You have to use a command to edit it |
| 04:38.38 | lolote | yes i'm login in root |
| 04:38.51 | liable | lolote: what editor are you using? |
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| 04:39.00 | lolote | editor?? |
| 04:39.05 | lolote | debian? |
| 04:39.09 | lolote | ok konsole |
| 04:39.13 | liable | oh dear |
| 04:39.15 | sword | Houston, we have a problem :) |
| 04:39.20 | Niklas- | :p |
| 04:39.23 | lolote | what??6 |
| 04:40.22 | liable | lolote: how are you trying to write to source.list? |
| 04:40.22 | lolote | lol i speaking french |
| 04:40.22 | Dewi | liable: not to suggest you need a tertiary qualification to learn how to learn, but it's probably foolish of me to assume that people can just "teach themselves" the way many of us in here do - lots of people seem to lack this ability |
| 04:40.22 | lolote | just like that : /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:40.22 | Niklas- | :/ |
| 04:40.25 | liable | Dewi: or the actuall curiosity, i would suggest that he probably doesnt enjoy his job |
| 04:40.31 | DocPlatypus | lolote: that's not editing it. that's trying to *run* it, of course that's going to give you "permission denied" because it's not an executable file!! |
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| 04:40.44 | lolote | ok |
| 04:40.51 | lolote | how i can open it |
| 04:40.52 | Dewi | liable: he couldn't possibly hate it as much as I do; he's only been there 3 weeks |
| 04:40.52 | sword | Dewi: yeah, you have too much faith :) |
| 04:41.10 | Feinorgh | lolote: You need to use an editor to open the file and then edit it, such as nano, vim, gedit or whatever you like to use |
| 04:41.22 | lolote | kate |
| 04:41.23 | Dewi | liable: he was the only applicant the recruiting firm found us, so my boss insists that he is the best this city has to offer |
| 04:41.35 | liable | hah |
| 04:41.39 | DocPlatypus | Dewi: tell him to fire his recruiting firm and find another |
| 04:41.53 | Dewi | liable: but you can bet one of my boss's instructions to the recruiting firm was that he only wanted the cheapest of the cheap |
| 04:41.54 | liable | Dewi: or tell the boss to put his wages up :) |
| 04:41.55 | DocPlatypus | Dewi: better yet what city are you in? |
| 04:42.10 | Feinorgh | lolote: try typing "kate /etc/apt/sources.list" in konsole then |
| 04:42.11 | DocPlatypus | if it "just happens" to be Houston, TX... maybe I can be his replacement |
| 04:42.18 | Dewi | DocPlatypus: brisbane and surrounds, australia - population pool of 2M |
| 04:42.37 | pythonic | Dewi: yeah, and the best of the best |
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| 04:42.39 | DocPlatypus | oh damn. not even the right continent. |
| 04:42.43 | lolote | ok i open it but not graphic |
| 04:42.44 | DocPlatypus | hey, I had to try |
| 04:43.30 | lolote | fuck |
| 04:43.42 | lolote | i want to exit fiel |
| 04:43.45 | lolote | file |
| 04:43.48 | thirst | hey.. i am having some issues with compiz on my system.. the window borders disappear once I start compiz.. the http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz wiki is not really comprehensive.. could anyone point me to a more detailed instruction source.. Thank |
| 04:43.50 | Dewi | DocPlatypus: hehe. yeah. But don't worry, you *don't* want to work there |
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| 04:43.57 | pythonic | Dewi: what's the job? i'm in sydney |
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| 04:44.12 | liable | lolote: take a deep breath, go and learn how to use a cli text editor, then edit your sources.list |
| 04:44.22 | DocPlatypus | Dewi: I am willing to work damn near any computer related job that does not require me to mess with Windows |
| 04:44.37 | lolote | i think i have modificated my souces.list |
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| 04:44.41 | sword | lolote: have you joined #debian-fr? They may be able to help you better in your native language. |
| 04:44.42 | Dewi | DocPlatypus: we use both linux and windows :P |
| 04:44.59 | lolote | there are no people |
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| 04:45.19 | pythonic | windows ftw! |
| 04:45.25 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: What if it required you to mess with MS-DOS instead? |
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| 04:45.27 | sword | lolote: There's about 50 people there. |
| 04:45.57 | DocPlatypus | \amethyst: MS-DOS is somewhat tolerable. my DOS-fu is *very* rusty though |
| 04:46.06 | lolote | ok byebye |
| 04:46.14 | pythonic | au revior |
| 04:46.19 | lolote | no |
| 04:46.28 | pythonic | au revoir :-) |
| 04:46.29 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: I guess it has a certain simplicity... I'd hate to use it as my dev environment again, though :) |
| 04:46.44 | lolote | you said the wrong channel because there arent people |
| 04:47.01 | lolote | ok |
| 04:47.03 | pythonic | nobody exists |
| 04:47.10 | lolote | lol debian-fr? |
| 04:47.18 | lolote | debian-fr ^^ |
| 04:47.19 | Dewi | "#debian-fr: Total of 66 nicks [5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 61 normal" |
| 04:47.20 | liable | lolote: it will take you about five minutes to learn how to operate nano. google for a nano tutorial |
| 04:47.23 | pythonic | mais je pense donc je suis |
| 04:47.27 | DocPlatypus | \amethyst: I have said MS-DOS 6.22 was the last great operating system Microsoft made |
| 04:47.52 | lolote | because you writte debian-fr with "?" |
| 04:47.54 | DocPlatypus | I'm pretty sure they jumped the shark on or before the release of Windows 95. I'm not sure how long before |
| 04:48.13 | sword | lolote: type /join #debian-fr |
| 04:48.14 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: It would have been great had it come out in the late sixties or so |
| 04:48.19 | lolote | yes i open the file |
| 04:48.49 | lolote | but |
| 04:48.49 | pythonic | compare ms-dos 6.22 with plan 9. it's a no-contest |
| 04:49.03 | lolote | the file is in the konsole |
| 04:49.06 | jetscreamer | ctrl+x to exit and save in nano |
| 04:49.07 | DocPlatypus | \amethyst: see time was when I hated GUIs... then I learned KDE and GNOME, and realized it wasn't the GUIs I hated, but Windows (and to a lesser extent OS/2, which is really IBM's fork of what became Windows NT) |
| 04:49.10 | jetscreamer | nano -w better |
| 04:49.35 | lolote | i have i bad english ?? |
| 04:49.36 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: I'm not sure you've got the history quite right there |
| 04:50.02 | thirst | hey.. anyone here uses compiz.. :) |
| 04:50.19 | lolote | ok^^ i go in my bed :p |
| 04:50.22 | lolote | cia |
| 04:50.24 | DocPlatypus | \amethyst: as far as when I hated GUIs? I know it took me a while using a GUI on something besides Windows to realize it was not the GUI itself I hated |
| 04:50.26 | lolote | thx |
| 04:50.37 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: I mean the relationship between OS/2 and NT |
| 04:50.44 | DocPlatypus | there are cases where I hate being forced into using a GUI environment for something where a CLI is more appropriate |
| 04:50.45 | DocPlatypus | oh that |
| 04:51.18 | DocPlatypus | well technically Microsoft said "thanks for the collaboration on OS/2, and by the way, [beep] you" and then took their copy of the code and forked Windows NT from OS/2 1.3 |
| 04:51.19 | DocPlatypus | or so |
| 04:51.52 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: NT (the project was originally called NT OS/2) wasn't based on OS/2 |
| 04:52.01 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: it was more based on VMS |
| 04:52.43 | DocPlatypus | well I know they worked OS/2 compatibility in easily somehow |
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| 04:53.04 | DocPlatypus | and I know they Gave The Shaft(tm) to IBM |
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| 04:55.03 | pythonic | bill gates is god |
| 04:55.31 | |chiz| | my time is always off by 3 hours after I reboot, any ideas, the time zone is right for the time properties in the tray. |
| 04:55.36 | jetscreamer | your god |
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| 04:56.31 | sword | |chiz|: funky tzconfig? Or bad interaction with dual boot? |
| 04:56.35 | markybob | |chiz|: you set the hardware clock to utc and you dont have ntp running to update your time automatically |
| 04:57.00 | |chiz| | ntp is installed |
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| 04:57.18 | markybob | you're saying that ntp doesnt update the time on reboot? |
| 04:57.28 | \amethyst | install ntpdate too |
| 04:57.35 | \amethyst | ntp won't sync if the times are too different |
| 04:57.37 | |chiz| | thats installed |
| 04:58.17 | \amethyst | |chiz|: does /etc/init.d/ntpdate start fix the date? If ntp is running you'll have to stop it first |
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| 04:59.16 | |chiz| | no its still wrong |
| 04:59.19 | nn-knoppix | hi |
| 04:59.51 | |chiz| | if I run ntpdate i get the string: ""12 Apr 22:59:17 ntpdate[7298]: no servers can be used, exiting" |
| 05:00.22 | \amethyst | |chiz|: ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 05:01.11 | |chiz| | I get: "12 Apr 23:00:55 ntpdate[7339]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting" |
| 05:01.41 | CaT[tm] | chiz: don't run ntpdate |
| 05:01.45 | CaT[tm] | chiz: only run nptd |
| 05:01.53 | CaT[tm] | chiz: only run ntpd |
| 05:01.59 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: ntpd won't sync if the times are too far off to begin with |
| 05:02.01 | nn-knoppix | im trying to test out an ircd-hybread and hybserv can someone join and see if the setting are ok ?? maby i can help some one with there problems well the server address is srv256.homelinux.net |
| 05:02.15 | CaT[tm] | ameth: then he should modify the init.d to add the -g option |
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| 05:02.26 | CaT[tm] | ameth: manpages are your friend :) |
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| 05:04.28 | |chiz| | the time is good is good now |
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| 05:06.43 | |chiz| | what is the normal run level? is it 5? |
| 05:06.52 | Guerin | 2 |
| 05:06.57 | Guerin | in debian |
| 05:07.03 | jetscreamer | yeah what CaT[tm] said |
| 05:07.12 | Guerin | but 2-5 are yours to do with as you will |
| 05:08.26 | |chiz| | thanks |
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| 05:14.31 | thirst | hey.. anyone here uses compiz.. :) need some help |
| 05:14.55 | Guerin | thirst: if you're using compiz, you do indeed need help |
| 05:15.08 | thirst | Guerin, is it broken in etch ? |
| 05:15.17 | Guerin | it's broken in *everything* |
| 05:15.21 | thirst | :) |
| 05:16.10 | thirst | Guerin, thanks. |
| 05:16.20 | Guerin | HTH |
| 05:17.04 | liable | yes, very helpfull.. :P |
| 05:19.03 | liable | time to go food shopping I guess |
| 05:19.19 | Guerin | beer is food |
| 05:19.21 | bytekode | oh crap |
| 05:19.27 | Guerin | crap is not food |
| 05:19.28 | bytekode | just lost 224 day uptime on my server |
| 05:19.32 | bytekode | :-( |
| 05:19.37 | liable | I had beer for dinner last night |
| 05:19.39 | pythonic | food is bad |
| 05:19.55 | pythonic | beer is good |
| 05:20.10 | liable | uptime is not related to penis size |
| 05:20.14 | pythonic | the liver is evil and must be punished |
| 05:20.28 | Guerin | pythonic: but since beer = food, and :. food = beer, one statemtn must be false |
| 05:21.05 | Guerin | bah, i need to shave |
| 05:21.11 | Guerin | got a job interview on monday |
| 05:21.13 | pythonic | did jesus shave? |
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| 05:21.31 | Guerin | pythonic: no bits that the painters could see |
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| 05:22.16 | cafuego | but if it were, i have a 570 day penis |
| 05:22.19 | pythonic | perhaps he should have shaved. at his last interview they absolutely crucified him. |
| 05:22.26 | liable | haha |
| 05:23.17 | Guerin | pythonic: heh |
| 05:23.35 | Guerin | so badly he was absent for the next one, three days later |
| 05:23.40 | rahul | !penixstrike pythonic |
| 05:23.41 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking pythonic to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:23.41 | Guerin | couldn't face up to it |
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| 05:24.16 | DocPlatypus | oh no falling Penixes! |
| 05:24.36 | prower | Hi :> Anyone here using an Intel i965 chipset-based onboard video in x? Can't seem to get x running, says it can't find agpgart even though it's loaded |
| 05:25.17 | liable | stupid logwatch upgrade has confused me, it no longer mails me |
| 05:25.20 | rahul | prower: did the kernel driver actually find the agp gart? |
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| 05:26.13 | rahul | speaking of kernels, how the fuck do I compile a debian kernel these days? |
| 05:26.29 | bakle | I have a system built fr a binary-1 cd and has been regularly updated and upgraded. Now i have used the same cd to install another system. can i use the old system to sync the new one? of so, how? |
| 05:26.31 | cafuego | make-kpkg |
| 05:26.39 | prower | rahul: In the xorg log, it said that /dev/agpgart didn't exist...maybe the driver isn't being loaded? |
| 05:26.49 | concept10 | any zshlovers here? how do I show more than 11 lines of history? |
| 05:27.03 | rahul | I get this tarball and some crap in kernel-patches |
| 05:27.17 | rahul | cafuego: how do I get a working source tree? |
| 05:27.29 | cafuego | rahul: install kernel-source-whatever |
| 05:27.50 | rahul | cafuego: and how do I get it to apply the debian patch so I get a kernel that's not broke-ass |
| 05:27.53 | cafuego | rahul: and unpack the .tar.{bz2,gz} |
| 05:27.58 | rahul | or ass-broke as the case may be |
| 05:28.27 | cafuego | rahul: make-kpkg has some patch options that'll auto-apply patches, afaik. |
| 05:28.27 | thirst | when i do a "glxinfo | grep direct" it says direct rendering:No any way to enable that one ? |
| 05:28.55 | rahul | cafuego: ok... there's NOTHING in the README.Debians about how to USE these packages |
| 05:29.18 | Guerin | rahul: make-kpkg is very well documented |
| 05:29.28 | Guerin | manoj wrote it ffs |
| 05:29.35 | rahul | Guerin: sure, IT is. |
| 05:29.42 | cafuego | rahul: notjhing even in debian/rules ? |
| 05:29.45 | rahul | but the kernel source and patch packages are crap |
| 05:29.49 | Guerin | oh, which packages were you on about? |
| 05:29.50 | rahul | cafuego: where? |
| 05:29.57 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:30.18 | cafuego | Guerin: kernel |
| 05:30.27 | cafuego | rahul: I see a 'patch_the_kernel=YES" in the manpage |
| 05:30.34 | Supaplex | if samba is configured as the defaults, and I restart it after vmware-server is running, won't it start working on vmnet8? all I get is 'Linux' (workgroup) is not available. debian etch samba workgroup mode, win2kpro client (different workgroup, but it's visible for workgroup browsing) |
| 05:30.57 | cafuego | " you should look at /usr/share/doc/kernel-patch-foo/README-kernelpatch.Debian for patch foo for additional information" |
| 05:31.11 | rahul | cafuego: if only |
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| 05:31.32 | rahul | > ls /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 <(qj |
| 05:31.32 | rahul | changelog.Debian.gz copyright |
| 05:32.02 | cafuego | rahul: 'make-kpkg debian' -> This target creates the ./debian directory, and optionally patches the source. |
| 05:32.18 | Supaplex | ahhh looks like I can use the unc name. \\riddle\ works fine. odd. |
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| 05:37.39 | rrk | i have some distro upgrade problems having trouble with getting a new kernel |
| 05:37.40 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:37.41 | dpkg | methinks qotd136 is <klien_bottle> anyone have any idea why my fonts look so jaggedy in kde 3.3? <klien_bottle> i think it has to do with antialiasing |
| 05:37.44 | rahul | hmm, what's a good block dev scheduler for interactive usage? |
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| 05:39.14 | prower | Hello again :> What would be the name of the driver/package that I need to install for the i965 video? I have xserver-xorg-driver-i810 installed, but that doesn't seem to be it |
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| 05:39.47 | d0dge | My debian can't find a new eth card, eth1, how can I detect new devices? |
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| 05:40.57 | rrk | d0dge whats in lspci does itshow or get lshw and chk with that |
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| 05:43.59 | d0dge | rrk: I can see the card name etc with lspci, what now? |
| 05:44.16 | rrk | what is it |
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| 05:44.28 | insolit2 | anyone here ever used mkisofs? |
| 05:44.32 | Guerin | d0dge: load the module |
| 05:44.39 | Guerin | !anyone use mkisofs? |
| 05:44.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses mkisofs, not even the people who use it. |
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| 05:47.14 | insolit2 | well if someone there can explain me how to use the option "-exclude-list FILE" from mkisofs |
| 05:47.19 | insolit2 | i'd be really appreciated |
| 05:47.56 | Guerin | insolit2: it's a file containing a list of things to be excluded from the iso |
| 05:48.15 | Guerin | insolit2: i don't know the format, but would guess it's documented in TFM |
| 05:48.21 | insolit2 | it's not! |
| 05:48.23 | insolit2 | that's the problem |
| 05:48.24 | hark | prower: yes, that is the correct one.. the i810 driver |
| 05:48.38 | Guerin | then i'd say it's fair to just specify path/filename |
| 05:48.41 | insolit2 | don't know if it's A, B, C or A B C or A\nB\nC\n |
| 05:48.52 | Guerin | it'll likely be newlines |
| 05:48.59 | prower | hark: I have it installed, but when I try to load x, it says it can't find /dev/agpgart |
| 05:49.07 | insolit2 | problem here is that i need to separate stuuf by directories |
| 05:49.10 | prower | (Stock kernel) |
| 05:49.14 | insolit2 | not just by a few files |
| 05:49.30 | Guerin | insolit2: can you not just exclude a whole dir like tar? |
| 05:49.33 | Guerin | in fact |
| 05:49.43 | Guerin | i'd gto read the entry for tar |
| 05:49.55 | Guerin | because I'll bet it's the same, since programmers are lazy |
| 05:50.05 | hark | prower: lsmod |grep agpgart ? |
| 05:50.14 | hark | prower: uname -r ? |
| 05:50.50 | prower | hark: The first line came up with this: agpgart 29896 1 drm |
| 05:51.12 | prower | second line: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 05:51.29 | insolit2 | -X, --exclude-from=FILE |
| 05:51.33 | insolit2 | exacto same thing |
| 05:51.45 | insolit2 | and also does not specify the file format |
| 05:51.46 | osphy | how to check whether a mic/head phone is connected ?does any log msgs provide ? |
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| 05:52.43 | insolit2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.43 | insolit2 | usr/share/cups /mnt/sda9/usr/share/ManiaDrive-1.2-linux-i386 /mnt/sda9/usr/share/bluefish /mnt/sda9/usr/share/py /mnt/sda9/usr/share/games /mnt/sda9/usr/share/squid /mnt/sda9/usr/share/hal /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gnome /mnt/sda9/usr/share/php /mnt/sda9/usr/share/ghemical /mnt/sda9/usr/share/pixmaps /mnt/sda9/usr/share/3ddesktop /mnt/sda9/usr/share/request- /mnt/sda9/usr/share/dia /mnt/sda9/usr/share/emovix /mnt/sda9/usr/share/foomatic /mnt/s |
| 05:52.44 | insolit2 | da9/usr/share/calc /mnt/sda9/usr/share/ppd /mnt/sda9/usr/share/ice /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gimp /mnt/sda9/usr/share/libtemplate-perl /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gthumb /mnt/sda9/usr/share/man /mnt/sda9/usr/share/pong2 /mnt/sda9/usr/share/latex /mnt/sda9/usr/share/tux /mnt/sda9/usr/share/icons /mnt/sda9/usr/share/synaptic /mnt/sda9/usr/share/WindowMaker /mnt/sda9/usr/share/perl /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gnucash /mnt/sda9/usr/share/tomcat /mnt/sda9/usr/shar |
| 05:52.49 | insolit2 | e/cube /mnt/sda9/usr/share/scummvm /mnt/sda9/usr/share/timidity /mnt/sda9/usr/share/jython /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gs- /mnt/sda9/usr/share/emerald /mnt/sda9/usr/share/inkscape /mnt/sda9/usr/share/edict /mnt/sda9/usr/share/lilypond /mnt/sda9/usr/share/wallpapers /mnt/sda9/usr/share/myspell /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gtk /mnt/sda9/usr/share/evolution /mnt/sda9/usr/share/sgml /mnt/sda9/usr/share/java /mnt/sda9/usr/share/gcompris /mnt/sda9/usr/share/i1 |
| 05:52.51 | ApEtc | wow |
| 05:52.54 | insolit2 | 8n /mnt/sda9/usr/share/firefox /mnt/sda9/usr/share/bzflag |
| 05:52.56 | insolit2 | OMG |
| 05:52.59 | insolit2 | ok kill me |
| 05:53.10 | rrk | insolit2 if you use the -exculde-list yourfilename option just 1 file per line in the file |
| 05:53.11 | CaT[tm] | with a blunt chopstick |
| 05:53.12 | insolit2 | this was supposed to go to paster |
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| 05:53.41 | pythonic | insolit2: you'll go to paster if you do that again :-) |
| 05:53.49 | insolit2 | sorry :| |
| 05:54.00 | pythonic | insolit2: oh, you will be :-) |
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| 05:54.15 | DocPlatypus | !penixstrike insolit2 |
| 05:54.15 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking insolit2 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:54.21 | DocPlatypus | I had to do it, just this once |
| 05:54.28 | insolit2 | lol |
| 05:54.30 | insolit2 | it's fair |
| 05:54.33 | insolit2 | i deserve it |
| 05:54.33 | pythonic | !penixstrike dpkg |
| 05:54.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dpkg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:54.43 | insolit2 | rrk, ill try that |
| 05:55.19 | pythonic | !dubya |
| 05:55.19 | dpkg | [dubya] a moron, or fun to say. Try it. "Dubya Dubya Dubya Bush!' |
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| 05:55.32 | rrk | there is a good book i don't if you search it at amazon live linux cds |
| 05:55.40 | pythonic | heh. i misunderestimated dpkg |
| 05:55.58 | rrk | worth every penny |
| 05:56.14 | insolit2 | rrk, do you know if the directories path is enough? |
| 05:56.14 | gameman73 | I had a question reguarding nmap and syn scanning, when scanning, im only using about 5KB/s up, even on a LAN address.. is this normal? |
| 05:56.28 | insolit2 | rrk, something's like /mnt/sda9/usr/share/bzflag |
| 05:56.36 | insolit2 | (bzflag is a folder) |
| 05:56.52 | rrk | from what i read that should be good |
| 05:57.33 | insolit2 | let's hope so |
| 05:57.36 | rrk | i think the root protion is a given |
| 05:57.37 | insolit2 | gonna sleep :| |
| 05:57.43 | hark | prower: do you have a /dev/agpgart ? |
| 05:57.48 | insolit2 | at least try to sleep |
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| 05:57.53 | insolit2 | already 6am |
| 05:58.28 | prower | hark: Doesn't seem to be one there |
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| 05:59.22 | rrk | looking for help with a distro upgrade problem |
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| 06:06.16 | cybermad | i use AMD Sempron 3000+ which one should to download? amd64 ? |
| 06:08.21 | cybermad | any help? |
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| 06:09.54 | pythonic | is sempr0n 3000+ 64bit? |
| 06:09.58 | liable | semprons are 64bit? |
| 06:10.09 | cybermad | i dunno.. |
| 06:10.17 | liable | heh, i dont think they are |
| 06:10.18 | pythonic | when did you buy it? |
| 06:10.19 | cybermad | hmm.. let me check it on google |
| 06:10.25 | pythonic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sempron |
| 06:10.29 | pythonic | some are, some aren't |
| 06:10.39 | liable | cybermad: even if it is, your still better off with just 32bit debian |
| 06:10.57 | pythonic | unless you like the cutting edge |
| 06:11.01 | prower | Hmm...well on a different note altogether ;> How could I go about burning an ISO image to a CD in the console? |
| 06:11.16 | liable | prower: cdrecord |
| 06:11.32 | liable | or wodim as its now called |
| 06:11.45 | pythonic | "turn or burn" |
| 06:11.47 | cybermad | so which one should i download? |
| 06:11.50 | pythonic | that's what i say to cds |
| 06:12.09 | pythonic | cybermad: just get i386 |
| 06:12.10 | cybermad | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] for my AMD Sempron 3000+ |
| 06:12.33 | cybermad | oh.. thanks god... i just download 5% the amd64 :) |
| 06:12.33 | pythonic | amd64 is a pain in the arse for newbs |
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| 06:14.25 | prower | liable: Ahh, okay...got it installed now, but I've never used it for burning ISOs |
| 06:14.41 | liable | prower: have a read of the man page, has examples |
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| 06:20.35 | slept | is there a way to make increase the fildsize in awk ? I get awk: program limit exceeded: maximum number of fields size=32767 |
| 06:21.22 | wils0n___ | slept: download awk source code, and grep for maximum number of fields size |
| 06:21.29 | wils0n___ | see how it's stored |
| 06:21.37 | wils0n___ | change it |
| 06:21.39 | wils0n___ | recompile it |
| 06:21.40 | wils0n___ | run it |
| 06:22.18 | \amethyst | err, gawk supports -mf |
| 06:22.30 | slept | great |
| 06:22.31 | \amethyst | s/g// |
| 06:22.37 | \amethyst | gawk doesn't have the limit anyway |
| 06:23.11 | slept | \amethyst, s/g// ... you mean awk ? |
| 06:23.18 | slept | i get this error with awk |
| 06:23.41 | \amethyst | slept: Most awks support larger NF, but mawk has a compile-time limit of 32767 |
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| 06:24.04 | \amethyst | slept: Install gawk and use it instead |
| 06:24.26 | slept | so mawk is debian default ? thatks I will try |
| 06:24.34 | slept | thanks |
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| 06:25.44 | slept | better but not perfect |
| 06:25.56 | slept | gawk: sumfile.awk:6: (FILENAME=Desktop/Run1.csv FNR=130) fatal: attempt to access field -2147483648 |
| 06:26.27 | \amethyst | Err... perhaps there's an error in your script |
| 06:26.54 | slept | it does the first 128 lines well |
| 06:27.36 | slept | \amethyst, would you check my script ? its 2 lines |
| 06:27.51 | \amethyst | paste it somewhere |
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| 06:27.59 | slept | #flood |
| 06:28.27 | \amethyst | A pastebin please |
| 06:28.30 | \amethyst | !paste |
| 06:28.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 06:28.41 | ivx | hey how do i quit vi with out saving changes? |
| 06:29.05 | \amethyst | hmm, those aren't working |
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| 06:30.48 | slept | ivx, :q |
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| 06:31.18 | ivx | slept, well it is my first time suing it, how do i give it commands? |
| 06:31.33 | predder | using* |
| 06:31.56 | predder | I read that three times before deciding that was the verb you were after ;) |
| 06:32.06 | pythonic | don't sue vi. sue emacs. |
| 06:32.31 | slept | ivx, ESC-key |
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| 06:32.39 | slept | ivx, : |
| 06:32.51 | predder | ivx, to answer you question when you've finished typing hit escape :wq |
| 06:33.09 | predder | or hold shift and press zz |
| 06:33.22 | slept | he doesnt want to save |
| 06:33.42 | predder | oh, sorry. To not save changes escape :q! |
| 06:33.55 | slept | use joe its great |
| 06:34.02 | pythonic | nano ftw |
| 06:34.05 | ivx | slept, well it is to late, i saved changes by accident |
| 06:34.16 | predder | vim rocks my world. |
| 06:34.22 | predder | Sorry to hear that ivx |
| 06:34.29 | ivx | Is there a way to clear the screen, like the DOS cls command |
| 06:34.39 | ivx | predder, it's cool |
| 06:34.52 | pythonic | ivx: i just turn off the monitor :-p |
| 06:34.53 | slept | clear |
| 06:34.59 | wils0n___ | ivx: clear |
| 06:35.05 | ivx | wow it's that easy, thanks |
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| 06:36.01 | bushblows | on debian, I am viewing top and noticed root is spiking my proccesses, I am not logged in as root or have a teminal with root logged in |
| 06:36.04 | bushblows | is this normal? |
| 06:36.35 | \amethyst | bushblows: What processes? |
| 06:36.40 | predder | bushblows, is root is a user not a process, how is it spiking? |
| 06:36.41 | premier_ | hello, I'm running kubuntu, but I just tried to install debian on a USB drive. When I booted, tried to do something like "ext3-fs"over and over again, then it delived me to a primitive CLI, not the full bash |
| 06:37.21 | bushblows | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.33 | \amethyst | bushblows: that's the X server |
| 06:37.46 | \amethyst | It's what handles drawing stuff to the screen |
| 06:37.53 | \amethyst | And other things |
| 06:37.55 | ivx | okay so i am trying to give vi a command, so i press escape and it just beeps, what is up with this? |
| 06:38.10 | bushblows | wonder why it is spiking, are their any exploits or vulnerabilities I should know about on it |
| 06:38.16 | bushblows | I am not running anything taxing |
| 06:38.16 | \amethyst | ivx: It's already in normal mode maybe? |
| 06:38.46 | \amethyst | bushblows: What percentage is it spiking to, and for how long? |
| 06:39.12 | bushblows | now iots at 2.0% but was up around 10-20% for about 3-5 minutes |
| 06:39.19 | ivx | \amethyst, okay is there a really quick run down i am trying to edit a file and don't know how to use vi, i tried man vi and didn't help much |
| 06:39.55 | \amethyst | ivx: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/text_editing/vim.html#MODES-VIM |
| 06:39.56 | shingouz | premier_: how about scooting over to #ubuntu and ask there? this is #debian |
| 06:40.22 | \amethyst | shingouz: the question isn't about ubuntu |
| 06:40.24 | shingouz | premier_: oh. sorry. i need some caffeine |
| 06:40.27 | shingouz | :$ |
| 06:41.17 | \amethyst | premier_: Hmm... it's possible the initramfs doesn |
| 06:41.33 | \amethyst | premier_: Hmm... it's possible the initramfs doesn't have support for your USB drive |
| 06:41.34 | premier_ | anyway, I'm sorry, I should have written down the exact error code. I'm a little freaked out because for some reason my carefully configured grub options, and somehow the got reset, but thats not related |
| 06:41.46 | premier_ | anyway, yeah, that sounds right |
| 06:41.55 | premier_ | is there any work around? |
| 06:42.29 | predder | tried a different filesystem? |
| 06:42.41 | premier_ | I used dd to copy the .img file to the disk, than I ran GParted and added a fat32 partition, but I think it got corrupted |
| 06:42.55 | premier_ | Should I try it again from the beggining? |
| 06:43.13 | \amethyst | what .img file? |
| 06:43.47 | premier_ | I got it from live.debian.com... let me get a link |
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| 06:45.15 | premier_ | http://live.debian.net/weekly-builds/current/i386/debian-live-etch-i386-kde-desktop.img |
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| 06:46.05 | premier_ | I couldn't find anything but a weekly or daily build... I'm not sure if its stable or testing or what (not clear on how that works in the debian world) |
| 06:46.18 | \amethyst | It looks like it's based on unstable |
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| 06:46.33 | shingouz | but it does say Etch... |
| 06:46.49 | \amethyst | ah, wrong one |
| 06:46.54 | premier_ | btw, I'm building a new computer this summer and I want to dual boot debian and kubuntu... how does debian compare? |
| 06:47.03 | \amethyst | I was looking at daily-builds |
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| 06:48.19 | shingouz | premier_: the big difference is really what does get installed by default. ubuntu installs a lot of bling while debian leaves it out. you can install all the bling you want later on debian, makes it easier on slower hardware |
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| 06:51.38 | ivx | okay, I am having trouble with one thing in vi, when i try to type a # by pressing ctrl + 3 things go crazy, so i make a #? |
| 06:51.49 | pitillo | hello good morning. is there good support for a MB with nforce400 chipset on etch? (or this Q is related directly to kernel) |
| 06:53.12 | premier_ | shingouz: so debian generally runs faster? If I end up installing a lot of the bling your refer to, will it still be any different |
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| 06:53.45 | xoz | ivx: you mean shift+3 |
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| 06:54.13 | ivx | xoz, yes that is what i ment, sorry |
| 06:54.38 | ivx | *meant |
| 06:54.59 | shingouz | premier_: i would say that ubuntu does not like anything under a 1GHz box. i am currently runnind sid with a 2.6.something on a dual P1 and some 486 boxen at tolerable speed |
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| 06:55.17 | xoz | ivx: are you in the edit mode or command mode? to go to edit, esc+i |
| 06:55.44 | ivx | xoz, I was typing so i guess i was, i'll try that |
| 06:56.28 | premier_ | shingouz: The reason why I'm considering debian is I want some experience with a "harder" distro so I continue to learn about linux, hopefully one day I'll actually be an expert |
| 06:56.47 | pitillo | impressive.. I can not find anything related to that chipset and debian... going crazy. |
| 06:57.01 | xoz | premier_: if you want harder, try slackware... or debian unstable. |
| 06:57.10 | ivx | xoz, why i press shit and 3 it says in read at the bottom search hit TOP, contiuning at BOTTOM |
| 06:57.21 | NefariousPrior | premier_: MAke your own distro by compiling everything from source. 8-) |
| 06:57.52 | premier_ | NefariousPrior: a little *too* hard for my tastes... although, I'll have a lot of time this summer |
| 06:57.53 | shingouz | premier_: the most annoying thing about ubuntu (and most other fuzzy distros) is that they usually want to do so much autodetecting at each boot. another thing is that given two alternatives for any piece of software they usually pick the heavier. |
| 06:58.39 | shingouz | of course with the heavier version the screen looks nicer.... i just do not want to remove --purge stuff before making the system useable on the old boxen i run |
| 06:58.42 | premier_ | shingouz: what difference does autodetecting at boot make? ie, what happens if it doesn't do that? |
| 06:58.43 | NefariousPrior | premier_: Master debian, then try gentoo. |
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| 06:59.37 | shingouz | premier_: during the install the autodetection can save you some headaches but after you have installed the system, why not hack the configs in manually and remove the autodetection. speeds up the boots a lot |
| 06:59.57 | shingouz | .....usually the hardware configuration does not radically change between two boots.... ;) |
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| 07:00.54 | predder | Recommendations for a decent sound card with good ALSA support? |
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| 07:00.59 | premier_ | I rewrote the liveUSB... I had the same problem as before, something about a mounted file system (oops). |
| 07:01.11 | NefariousPrior | predder: SoundBlaster 16 |
| 07:01.53 | premier_ | shingouz: Is it possible for me to do that safely with ubuntu? I'm in a laptop, so aside from usb perferals, the hardware doesn't change much |
| 07:03.07 | shingouz | premier_: the usb configs can be handled with other software, same as the pccards. how to configure ubuntu to lose the autodetection at boot time is way beyond me. |
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| 07:03.55 | shingouz | premier_: with the autodetection i mean the knoppix style scripts that check everything and the kitchen sink at boot |
| 07:04.05 | NefariousPrior | I'd like ubuntu a bit more if they had better themes and their default one didn't suck so much. |
| 07:04.35 | premier_ | well, you can install all that stuff after the fact |
| 07:05.06 | NefariousPrior | meh |
| 07:05.33 | shingouz | premier_: on the other hand, you should know that i usually install debian with debootstrap, not the installer |
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| 07:12.50 | rrk | anyone around to help with a distro upgrade problem? |
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| 07:14.59 | Amiralul | Hi guys. I was trying to install etch on a system with MB ASUS P5B with JMicron controller and a SATA HDD (set up in BIOS on compatibility mode), but the installer doesn't seem to recognize it |
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| 07:15.33 | rrk | try sidux if you are brave they have it mostly working |
| 07:15.39 | Amiralul | also, all-generic-ide noirqpoll was passed at install prompt, but with no use |
| 07:15.48 | Amiralul | what is sidux? |
| 07:16.04 | rrk | debian sid for the most part |
| 07:16.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:16.12 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
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| 07:16.32 | Amiralul | rrk, in this case, my Ubuntu is working very well, but I want Debian stable :) |
| 07:17.16 | rrk | there are modules and patches to make it work use it as a howto |
| 07:19.23 | Amiralul | uhm... like? |
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| 07:20.55 | rrk | i haven't been following that close other than i know is works with an intel motherboard i have at least there lasest stable does |
| 07:21.08 | GhostlyDeath | WHAT PACKAGES ADD SUPPORT FOR DVD MENUS? |
| 07:21.12 | GhostlyDeath | caps sry |
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| 07:21.29 | rrk | dvd author maybe |
| 07:21.46 | GhostlyDeath | Totem used to do menus but I reinstalled Linux |
| 07:21.46 | untitled | hi, did anyone mess with netboot? |
| 07:21.48 | aspWork_ | hi guys, i am trying to get xorg org under debian to use fglrx (so that i in turn can get beryl running). I have installed the fglrx-driver package, and i have added some switches to my xorg.conf, but still when i run fglrxinfo it tells me that it is using the mesa drivers, is there something i am missing? |
| 07:22.05 | Amiralul | yup, Intel motherboard chipset here too, latest BIOS ROM installed, but it seems it is not enough |
| 07:22.34 | Amiralul | where can I found a list of all modules that I can activated, during install? |
| 07:22.58 | Amiralul | like: module_name.parameter_name=value |
| 07:23.06 | rrk | my dumb luck to buy a NAMEBRAND to test a new duo core -- 4 weeks of screwing around to get it working |
| 07:23.23 | pitillo | is nforce400 chipset supported in the new stable? |
| 07:23.55 | rrk | no has to do with the ide/sata driver it does not like that it is a seperate chip |
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| 07:25.02 | rrk | lsmod |
| 07:26.08 | untitled | hi, did anyone mess with netboot? |
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| 07:26.35 | Amiralul | rrk, I mean, a list with modules to pass at installation |
| 07:26.42 | Amiralul | lsmod is useless there |
| 07:26.47 | aspWork_ | is it recommended to use the fglrx driver, or should i use the none-ati supported one? |
| 07:27.32 | tarzeau | aspWork_: the fglrx will make 3d fast, the other one not so |
| 07:27.45 | aspWork_ | ok, so fglrx is the way to go then |
| 07:27.46 | pitillo | aspWork_, take a look to the supported chipset for the first... |
| 07:27.56 | tarzeau | aspWork_: however i've seen the fglrx be unstable, crash or have bugs (like artifacts on the screen, mouse cursor) |
| 07:27.56 | aspWork_ | i have a mobility x1600 |
| 07:28.06 | tarzeau | untitled: yes, as in? |
| 07:28.39 | aspWork_ | would i need to do anything more then apt-get install fglrx-driver to get it to install/load |
| 07:29.00 | tarzeau | aspWork_: i've always only used the binary installers of ati or nvidia... |
| 07:29.04 | aspWork_ | since fglrxinfo says it is using the mesa driver, and if i do modprobe -r fglrx it isn't loaded |
| 07:29.21 | aspWork_ | ok, ill give that a try than |
| 07:29.23 | untitled | tarzeau: can u help me with configuring grub? |
| 07:29.51 | Amiralul | how can I choose what modules to load/activate during install? |
| 07:29.51 | tarzeau | untitled: debian grub does it all? i've never used grub in comination of netboot, otherwise try #grub |
| 07:29.57 | tarzeau | Amiralul: /etc/modules |
| 07:29.58 | untitled | tarzeau: and i can't see any tftpd process in ps aux output, i wonder is it even running... |
| 07:30.10 | Amiralul | tarzeau: during install? |
| 07:30.12 | tarzeau | untitled: look into /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:30.33 | untitled | tarzeau: it's in there |
| 07:30.36 | tarzeau | Amiralul: no, afterwards |
| 07:30.43 | tarzeau | untitled: without #comment ? |
| 07:30.51 | tarzeau | untitled: can you paste its line? |
| 07:30.53 | untitled | tarzeau: well, what did you use if not grub? yes, without # |
| 07:31.04 | Amiralul | tarzeau: but I may need some modules DURING install, not afterwards |
| 07:31.25 | pitillo | there is no way... with debian and ubuntu on nforce400 :( |
| 07:31.26 | tarzeau | untitled: for x86 booting? we use pxe and some menu: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/88 |
| 07:31.38 | tarzeau | Amiralul: alt-f2, then modprobe/insmod the module? |
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| 07:31.55 | tarzeau | pitillo: is that a sata controller, a nic or a video card? |
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| 07:32.10 | Amiralul | tarzeau: but if I don't know it's name, can I see a list of them? Like in openSUSE installer? |
| 07:32.30 | tarzeau | Amiralul: no idea |
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| 07:32.45 | aspWork_ | ok, installed, ill reboot, hopefully i wont be back =), thnx for the help |
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| 07:32.59 | pitillo | tarzeau, is a chipset for crazy people I think. (nforce400 video, net and audio controller) |
| 07:33.07 | untitled | tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 -mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot |
| 07:33.17 | untitled | tarzeau: here, it's like |
| 07:33.19 | untitled | line* |
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| 07:33.30 | pitillo | tarzeau, sata disk and ide support (I think related to IDE_GENERIC not nforce specified) |
| 07:33.34 | tarzeau | pitillo: no idea, i've never had an nvidia video card that didn't work with the nvidia binary driver |
| 07:33.38 | tarzeau | pitillo: which linux kernel? |
| 07:33.59 | Amiralul | ok, does some one arround here managed to install etch on a SATA disk? |
| 07:34.00 | tarzeau | untitled: looks fine, do you have /tftboot ? |
| 07:34.05 | untitled | tarzeau: i am trying to use LTSP software |
| 07:34.08 | tarzeau | Amiralul: yes! |
| 07:34.10 | untitled | yes i do |
| 07:34.13 | untitled | have |
| 07:34.13 | Amiralul | how? |
| 07:34.29 | Amiralul | it doesn't seem to recognize my SATA disk |
| 07:34.34 | tarzeau | untitled: often a sniffer is helpful, you could try running tcpdump or ngrep, while trying to boot a client on the tftp server |
| 07:34.59 | untitled | tarzeau: first i have to configure the bootloader :) |
| 07:35.14 | untitled | have no success using grub for now |
| 07:35.58 | solar_sea | Amiralul, strange as it seems, if you have a live cd that is able to recognize the disk, you can use deboostrap to install debian. |
| 07:35.59 | pitillo | tarzeau, well, did not tried the binary driver... only used the kernel provided. I think 2.6.17 if I am not in wrong. The problem is that all devices are unknown |
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| 07:37.11 | rrk | untitled which are you using ethboot pxe or what? |
| 07:37.23 | Amiralul | solar_sea: but it may be possible that after install, after GRUB, the system could not boot from that SATA |
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| 07:37.43 | quarkhead | hi. i installed icecast2 and ices2 following this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_webradio_with_icecast2_ices2_p2?s=c536395c36cab157e0fa83d1c69a8954& , at the end of the page there is a example of updating /etc/init.d/icecast2 to get both icecast2 and ices2 to run in the boot. i did the changes in the script as told. but when i reboot i get: /etc/init.d/rc: line 78: /etc/rc2.d/S20icecast2: Permission denied , Where or how have/ may I hav |
| 07:37.43 | quarkhead | done wrong (in the init file) Please help me out here ;@} |
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| 07:37.54 | solar_sea | Amiralul, i got my etch my using a sarge kmuto netisnt image [that has support for sata hdds] and dist-upgrade after that |
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| 07:38.09 | pitillo | I tried to install ubuntu on it and is the first time I got problems with it (offroad distro for unexperience users, high load but low maintenance) Now I am afraid to install 4.0, but I will finally install it and test it. (It is very hard to setup this chipset) |
| 07:38.10 | untitled | rrk: in bios? |
| 07:38.19 | rrk | no |
| 07:38.33 | solar_sea | !tell Amiralul about debootstrap |
| 07:38.42 | Amiralul | sarge _kmuto_ netinst image? |
| 07:39.02 | solar_sea | !kmuto |
| 07:39.02 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 07:39.04 | pitillo | there is not much info related to it. I think I need more and more reading. Sorry if I disturbed someone. |
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| 07:39.22 | untitled | rrk: i am using ltsp.org software, i think it provides pxe |
| 07:39.24 | rrk | grub has seperate images that it uses for net boot 1 for pxe and 1 etherboot oryou can boot from bios to pxe |
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| 07:39.35 | Amiralul | thanks, solar-sea, I'll give it a try |
| 07:39.42 | Buddha| | What do I need to add to my sources.list to get the newest verions of Gnome, etc.? |
| 07:39.46 | aspWork_ | sadly the binary ati driver did nothing for me, fglrxinfo is still claiming that it is using the mesa driver |
| 07:40.09 | liable | aspWork_: your not using xgl are you? |
| 07:41.21 | aspWork_ | liable: i dont think so, how would i check to make sure? |
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| 07:41.44 | liable | aspWork_: quite a while ago i had to create a symlink for fglrx to work. not sure if you still need to do it. theres a wiki you can get to from rage3d forums that mentions it |
| 07:41.54 | liable | aspWork_: if you dont know, your not ;) |
| 07:42.06 | aspWork_ | i have load "glx" in my xorg.conf?! |
| 07:42.27 | liable | aspWork_: did you run aticonfig --initial?? |
| 07:42.57 | aspWork_ | liable: yes |
| 07:43.12 | haggz | Sid is running very nicely for me now with a 2.6.20.6 kernel, I wonder when they will build it for the repos. |
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| 07:43.27 | aspWork_ | it told me that i already had fglrx there, and it made a backup of the conf |
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| 07:49.08 | aspWork_ | if anybody would like to have a look http://paste2.org/p/2471 are the entries for fglrx in my xorg log |
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| 07:49.37 | aspWork_ | [drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx" |
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| 07:50.41 | Jarek | Hello! |
| 07:51.38 | Jarek | Anyone familar with VHCS? |
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| 07:56.34 | stoffell | I'm using debian etch (fresh install) with xfce wm and am unable to type anything while using iceweasel.. typing in any other application or terminal does work .. (using usb keyb on a dell pc) |
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| 07:56.50 | stoffell | no errors in the iceweasel console though... any suggestions as to find out where it goes wrong ? |
| 07:57.20 | NefariousPrior | Wow, that is odd. If it works in one you would assume it would work in all. |
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| 07:57.54 | stoffell | NefariousPrior, i had the same issue a few weeks ago but blamed it on the install.. now i did one myself.. bang :( |
| 07:58.12 | stoffell | it might have something to do with gtk ? |
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| 07:59.25 | NefariousPrior | Loading World! Let's see how much I screwed things up. lol |
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| 08:01.04 | NefariousPrior | oops, wrong window. lmao |
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| 08:01.51 | NefariousPrior | stoffell: I really don't know, but something is telling me to look in xorg.conf |
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| 08:02.30 | stoffell | ok, weird thing is though, sometimes i can type 1, 2 or even more characters, but then it stops.. it's REALLY weird ... |
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| 08:03.32 | Jarek | Does anyone know a web-interface to administrate web-server, ftpd, email accounts, mysql databases, etc. ? |
| 08:03.38 | NefariousPrior | I never really have liked the idea of a usb keyboard. I mean... what pc doesn't have 2 ps2 ports? lol |
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| 08:03.58 | stoffell | NefariousPrior, same here... but .. those stupid low-budget dell pc's have no more ps2.. |
| 08:04.02 | Jarek | It has to be easy in usage for someone who isn't familar with linux. |
| 08:04.05 | NefariousPrior | !webmin |
| 08:04.05 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 08:04.06 | ApEtc | Jarek: phpmyadmin seems decent for databases |
| 08:04.13 | stoffell | thinking of it.. even an ibm x3650 hasn't got any ps/2 anymore .. go figure.. |
| 08:04.17 | ApEtc | Jarek: webmin can do most of that other stuff, but isn't neccesarily a good idea. |
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| 08:04.43 | stoffell | Jarek, maybe ispconfig could help you out |
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| 08:04.49 | ThePlumber | i believe webmin sucks |
| 08:04.56 | Layer8 | hi all |
| 08:05.04 | ThePlumber | knives are fun htough |
| 08:05.37 | Layer8 | is anyone here familiar with PAM ? |
| 08:05.40 | liable | ThePlumber: you would be right |
| 08:05.49 | Jarek | stoffell, yeah, I know ISPconfig. It's a copy of VHCS. |
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| 08:06.04 | ThePlumber | :-) so heres one for you all |
| 08:06.09 | avr__ | hello, i have a really noobish question: i have a dell 1950 with a hardware raid controller that i'm supposed to install debian on. it seems to be configured to mirror, so i see only half the total diskspace (2 disks of 500 GB each) |
| 08:06.25 | ThePlumber | just upgraded to a custom 2.6.20.6 kernel on sarge |
| 08:06.30 | Jarek | Is there another tool? Which isn't so huge like ISPconfig? |
| 08:06.35 | ThePlumber | now sound works with quake but I cant get lsdoom to load |
| 08:06.36 | avr__ | so, my question is: how do i reconfigure it to use only a portion of the diskspace? bios does not have any option apart from disabling raid |
| 08:06.38 | haggz | ThePlumber: funny, me too |
| 08:06.51 | ThePlumber | svga gives me a broken pipe error |
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| 08:07.16 | liable | avr__: you create a partition of the size you want, and install to that |
| 08:07.24 | ThePlumber | i've taken a look at the mods i'm loading and have enabled fb etc etc etc but it still wont run |
| 08:07.38 | liable | avr__: if its true hardware raid, the installer will see one disk and you can do what you want tith it |
| 08:07.49 | ThePlumber | runs on the old kernel just fine but one that (2.6.8) i dont get any sound with quake |
| 08:07.51 | ThePlumber | any ideas? |
| 08:07.58 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 08:07.59 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 starving ostriches. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 08:08.09 | haggz | ThePlumber: no use of linked in kernel modules (e.g. nvidia)? |
| 08:08.10 | avr__ | liable: exactly, but i want it to let me reconfigure it to use part of the disks and not hte whole disks |
| 08:08.13 | NefariousPrior | lol |
| 08:08.13 | liable | i love that one :) |
| 08:08.33 | liable | avr__: so, partition the disk |
| 08:08.35 | avr__ | liable: it is hardware raid; debian correctly detects and loads the megaraid driver |
| 08:08.41 | NefariousPrior | wtf is a Cabal ? |
| 08:08.53 | ThePlumber | haggz: i added the nvidea fb but then the text scrolls off the screen...... |
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| 08:09.23 | avr__ | liable: but i see only 500 GB... i know i can use it like a normal disk, but i want more than 500G in total.. say 200 G on each disk un-mirrored, and the rest mirrored |
| 08:09.30 | liable | avr__: the installer will let you make your partitions as big or small as you want |
| 08:09.37 | Layer8 | does noone know something about pluggable authentication modules here? |
| 08:09.39 | ThePlumber | i couldn't figure out howto change the video/text size after i had the nvidia fb loaded into the kenrel |
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| 08:10.01 | avr__ | liable: i am at the installer stage with the machine next to me, and it shows me only 500 GB. |
| 08:10.01 | liable | avr__: oh, you want a mirror on one bit, and then jobd on the rest? |
| 08:10.05 | wols_ | ThePlumber: framebuffer howto, fbset, etc |
| 08:10.17 | ThePlumber | hmmmmmm fbset eh? |
| 08:11.05 | avr__ | liable: yes, something like that. basically, i want to know how raid controllers are configured -- ie, can i reconfigure it without opening the server? :) |
| 08:11.27 | liable | avr__: for what you want, you need to do it in the cards bios |
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| 08:11.50 | avr__ | liable: as i mentioned, the bios shows me only an option to enable or disalbe the raid controller; nothing more. |
| 08:11.57 | ThePlumber | wols_: with the 2.6.8 kernel i didn't need to use anything different and the nvidia driver was not loaded...... |
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| 08:12.15 | liable | avr__: is a shitty thing, but disable the raid in bios and use software raid.. |
| 08:12.35 | ThePlumber | wols_: works fine with the oter kernel. did they do something in the new kernel that I am aware of? besides alsa stuff? |
| 08:12.43 | avr__ | liable: oh, cool, i can do that? actually i tried that, and then debian didnt detect any disks.. |
| 08:12.46 | liable | avr__: i would be looking to the cards documentation on what exactly you can do with it |
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| 08:13.21 | liable | avr__: enable the controller, but have it set to jbod |
| 08:13.33 | liable | avr__: which bios are you talking about? |
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| 08:14.02 | avr__ | liable: system bios... what comes up when i press F2 |
| 08:14.08 | liable | avr__: the card should have its own little config bios thing |
| 08:14.13 | ThePlumber | loaded the nvidia fb driver and same thing, a green bar at the top of my console when i try to run lsdoom..... svgalib says broken pipe /sequencer |
| 08:14.26 | ThePlumber | so it seems to be a sound problem?> |
| 08:14.37 | avr__ | liable: i see. any idea how i'd get to that? |
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| 08:14.44 | liable | avr__: see if you can find online documentation for the card |
| 08:14.57 | avr__ | liable: thanks, will try |
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| 08:15.07 | liable | avr__: i would imagine after post there would be something mentioned about it |
| 08:15.23 | liable | i know my shitty sa card does |
| 08:15.31 | avr__ | liable: yep! i missed it... thanks, i'm in there now |
| 08:15.41 | liable | sweet |
| 08:16.13 | avr__ | liable: oh boy, hope i dont screw anything up :). thanks for your help. |
| 08:16.20 | liable | no problem |
| 08:16.28 | ThePlumber | what is the use of having a generic fb when shit doesnt run on it and you need to create a module for a card? |
| 08:16.33 | ThePlumber | not getting it.... |
| 08:16.56 | ThePlumber | svgalib/fb/alsa..... what a sucky combo |
| 08:17.01 | liable | most cards will run vesa-fb onless its old as fuck |
| 08:17.11 | liable | unless |
| 08:18.27 | ThePlumber | been working on getting lsdoom going for 2 days trying different compiles but it seems as though the new kernel leans heavily toward alsa |
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| 08:19.11 | wols_ | ThePlumber: no. OSS emulation is in alsa and works |
| 08:19.51 | wols_ | and there is either VESA for generics which is unaccelerated totally or there is nvidia fb |
| 08:19.55 | ThePlumber | so its svgalib then I believe as I am echoing lsdoom, sndserv (all lsdoom sound stuff) to the oss file |
| 08:20.10 | ThePlumber | wols_: gotcha |
| 08:20.34 | wols_ | !svgalib |
| 08:20.34 | dpkg | it has been said that svgalib is a full screen graphics library for linux, horiblly unreliable and insecure, or reliable for me..., or _cool_ when your video card is supported and usually makes quake fly!, or can lock up your machine, and force you to reboot |
| 08:20.36 | ThePlumber | so what is the difference between the generic drivers between 2.6.8 and 2.6.20 that is hosing this upo? |
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| 08:21.57 | ThePlumber | anyone know howto get mod/compiled info from a running kernel? I guess I could boot the old and boot the new and do a diff. |
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| 08:22.17 | ThePlumber | did lsmod but that only tells me about modules... |
| 08:22.32 | haggz | theplumber: look at the config files? |
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| 08:23.02 | Xteven | hello, how can I remove obsolete packages from a local repository ? all the info I can find with google is about a local *cache* in /var/apt/cache, but my repository is elsewhere (and contains my own packages) |
| 08:23.05 | ThePlumber | did that but they look pretty much the same. what would you do to get that information if you -dont- have the config the plumber wonders. |
| 08:23.53 | fengor | ThePlumber: i think then you are pretty much sol |
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| 08:24.23 | ThePlumber | nothing like sysctrl? |
| 08:25.52 | ThePlumber | i know, where is the default config for debian sarge? |
| 08:26.20 | haggz | ThePlumber: dont you have /boot/config-2.6.8 still there to check to see what you had? |
| 08:26.22 | ThePlumber | i've looked for the default config for debian but cannot find it online |
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| 08:26.35 | earthian_ | hello |
| 08:26.47 | earthian_ | is it possible to make my current kernel see all 4 gigs of memory? |
| 08:26.49 | ThePlumber | yes but they seem to be the same. can I use my old config from 2.6.8 with 2.6.20? |
| 08:27.15 | earthian_ | it now sees 2gigs, when it loads, i see in dmesg that it somehow knows that there are 4 gigs but uses only 2gigs of it |
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| 08:27.23 | earthian_ | any idea how to fix? |
| 08:27.25 | haggz | ThePlumber: you can try to transfer some of it over but there's a lot of stuff that wont get translated properly automatically |
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| 08:27.34 | earthian_ | maybe enable 64gb memory support or so? |
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| 08:27.45 | earthian_ | recompile? |
| 08:27.45 | earthian_ | :/ |
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| 08:28.16 | liable | ThePlumber: kernel configs have changed a lot since sarge, stuff has moved, stuffs been added, stuffs been removed |
| 08:28.19 | ThePlumber | haggz: see that what I thought..... thats why i was trying the to figure the two out but they do look the same, same fb shit that the other has yet it just won't run lsdoom..... |
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| 08:28.54 | ThePlumber | arghh...... gotta go online.... (like im not) |
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| 08:29.38 | haggz | theplumber: you are still running sarge? I thought sarge was incompatible with the most recent kernels? |
| 08:29.55 | ThePlumber | haggz: really! |
| 08:29.58 | haggz | theplumber: did you switch over to udev? |
| 08:30.22 | ThePlumber | i get the devfs error on boot but I believe i am using udev now |
| 08:30.28 | ThePlumber | how do I check to make sure? |
| 08:30.47 | ThePlumber | i don't even know the difference between the two |
| 08:30.48 | haggz | ThePlumber: switched to xorg? |
| 08:30.56 | ThePlumber | no |
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| 08:31.07 | ThePlumber | same X11 |
| 08:31.17 | ThePlumber | running enlightenment (best wm ever!) |
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| 08:31.37 | haggz | theplumber: gonna take a guess that the version of X you are using doesnt play well with a kernel from much later, I dont know for sure, but that would be my guess |
| 08:31.38 | adaro | does anyone know how you can switch your eth0 and eth1 interfaces ? right now eth0 is my adsl connection and i want to change that, i was kind of expecting a mac adress in /etc/network/interfaces but i guess its specified somewhere else |
| 08:31.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i upgraded to etch and my crontab isn't being executed - it worked fine in sarge |
| 08:31.42 | Super_Cat_Frog | any ideas? |
| 08:31.47 | Super_Cat_Frog | adaro: ifrename |
| 08:32.13 | ThePlumber | haggz: running lxdoom works great, lsdoom (the console ver) doesnt. console fuhquake runs great also |
| 08:32.16 | liable | adaro: you can right a udev rule, or take a look at ifrenam, or load the modules in the order you want the ifaces |
| 08:32.17 | adaro | thanks let me check that out |
| 08:32.17 | fluxdude3 | I'm playing music in audacious just like I did yesterday and the day before but now no sound is coming out |
| 08:32.22 | liable | !iface rename |
| 08:32.28 | liable | !ifrename |
| 08:32.29 | dpkg | methinks ifrename is a utility which sets interface names based on parameters such as MAC address. Very handy if different kernels or kernel modules assign different identifiers to your interfaces, or just to make your firewall rules more readable. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3586546 |
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| 08:32.39 | fluxdude3 | I have checked alsamixer and the volume is up, the bares are jumping but I hear nothing... |
| 08:32.42 | fluxdude3 | any ideas? |
| 08:33.27 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 08:33.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 rabid oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 08:33.49 | haggz | theplumber; no clue really then, sarge base + xfree86 + udev + kernel 2.6.20.6 is an unusual setup for debian so Im impressed its working as well as it is. |
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| 08:34.10 | Jarek | Damn, sorry. I'm new to linux. I've done a apt-get --purge remove bind9. And now I can't do a apt-get install bind9. |
| 08:34.20 | Jarek | How can I solve this? |
| 08:34.20 | Guerin | Jarek: why not? |
| 08:34.21 | fluxdude3 | it's not muted as far as I can tell in alsamixer |
| 08:34.31 | fluxdude3 | I have just muted and unmuted in and no difference |
| 08:34.35 | Guerin | Jarek: for one thing, don't use apt-et |
| 08:34.36 | ThePlumber | haggz: works great, cept for lsdoom, so what is the last official kernel realease for sarge? |
| 08:34.43 | Guerin | ThePlumber: 2.6.8 |
| 08:34.50 | ThePlumber | lol |
| 08:34.53 | Jarek | Guerin, why? |
| 08:34.56 | Guerin | ThePlumber: i'm serious |
| 08:34.57 | Jarek | Guerin, Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bind9/bind9_9.3.4-2_i386.deb Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' |
| 08:35.02 | ThePlumber | shit, didnot know I was that good. |
| 08:35.23 | Guerin | Jarek: echo nameserver 4.2.2.2 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:35.37 | Guerin | Jarek: add some nameservers other than localhost |
| 08:35.53 | Guerin | Jarek: that needs quotes |
| 08:36.09 | Guerin | ThePlumber: this is just one of the many good reasons to use etch |
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| 08:36.13 | ThePlumber | 2.6.20 can kiss my ass then |
| 08:36.14 | jgonzalez | hi |
| 08:36.24 | ThePlumber | Guerin: you like etch? |
| 08:36.31 | Guerin | ThePlumber: i very like |
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| 08:36.43 | liable | hehe, kinda ironic removing bind screwed his resolv.conf |
| 08:36.47 | pitillo | ummm no way with nforce400. Any tip about? |
| 08:36.49 | ThePlumber | I don't want to upgrade since then I will need to re-install enlightenment, etc, etc, etc |
| 08:36.57 | ThePlumber | ugghh |
| 08:36.58 | fireba11 | liable: true :-) |
| 08:37.01 | Guerin | ThePlumber: oh well. |
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| 08:37.22 | jgonzalez | in what file is fixed font ? i'm trying to run Xorg in etch but i always get "could not open default font fixed" and i have installed xfonts-* |
| 08:37.29 | Jarek | Guerin, what I should use instead of apt-get? |
| 08:37.31 | pitillo | someone with experience with that chipset? |
| 08:37.33 | Guerin | jgonzalez: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 08:37.37 | Guerin | jgonzalez: aptitude |
| 08:37.39 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:37.42 | Guerin | Jarek: aptitude |
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| 08:37.52 | ThePlumber | Guerin: odd but i did not get sound with quake under 2.6.8 and i get it under 2.6.20..... |
| 08:37.53 | Guerin | pitillo: i'm sure someone, somewhere, does |
| 08:37.58 | liable | Jarek: that should be fixed and you can remove the old font paths from xorg.conf |
| 08:38.08 | Jarek | hehe, okay. But I've worked all the time with apt-get. Will I get some conflicts when I change to aptitude? |
| 08:38.09 | Guerin | ThePlumber: it's because 20 has more magic bunnies in it |
| 08:38.13 | Mooi | Hi, is there a good tutorial to help one set up a functioning SMTP mail server? I am having trouble with exim4 :| |
| 08:38.18 | pitillo | Guerin, is quite difficult, no much info related to thaat |
| 08:38.31 | Guerin | Jarek: probably. Just purge aptitude, then install it, then never use apt-get again |
| 08:38.36 | wols_ | pitillo: "nforce400 chipset" does not exist. you have a nforce2 chipset |
| 08:38.42 | liable | Mooi: google postfix howto |
| 08:38.49 | Guerin | Mooi: exim4 *is* a functioning smtp server by default |
| 08:38.52 | ThePlumber | Guerin: magic bunnies don't jive with the flying monkeys that come out of my ass though ;-( |
| 08:39.07 | pitillo | wols_, not sure about that... nforce400 with audio,video,net include |
| 08:39.10 | liable | ThePlumber: you need to see a doctor |
| 08:39.10 | Guerin | ThePlumber: you didn't equip them with the ultracarrots |
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| 08:39.16 | wols_ | pitillo: I am sure |
| 08:39.37 | Mooi | Guerin: which rejects all mails... |
| 08:39.37 | ThePlumber | Guerin: liable: makes sense |
| 08:39.38 | Mooi | ok liable , thanks |
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| 08:40.37 | liable | !be a mail barbie |
| 08:40.37 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 08:40.37 | liable | it is |
| 08:40.38 | pitillo | wols_, reading about that. May be that is the reason because I can not find any info related. |
| 08:40.38 | wols_ | how does apt know I need to run dpkg-reconfigure -a? Whenever I try to install something it wants me to run that instead (always the same packages configured over and over) |
| 08:40.38 | Guerin | Mooi: until you do minimal configuration, that is the totally correct thing to do, per the smtp spec. |
| 08:40.38 | pitillo | wols_, thank you for that tip. Another point to start reading again. :) |
| 08:40.41 | jgonzalez | Guerin,thanks. dpkg give me information ... but i can't undestand what is that i need to do |
| 08:40.49 | jgonzalez | i have xfonts-base installed |
| 08:40.53 | wols_ | pitillo: stop reading. it will work. audio AC97 only tho |
| 08:40.55 | liable | wols_: from a new install? |
| 08:41.05 | wols_ | liable: no. dist-upgrade of sid |
| 08:41.06 | ThePlumber | maybe etch has some magical bunnies that will slow the cpu down on my r30 thinkpad? |
| 08:41.08 | pitillo | wols_, with the new stable? |
| 08:41.08 | Guerin | jgonzalez: try reinstalling it |
| 08:41.21 | wols_ | liable: something borked on this machine and I dunno what |
| 08:41.29 | Guerin | ThePlumber: not really. If you want to save power you probably want to use the undervolting kernel patch |
| 08:41.34 | wols_ | pitillo: even with the old one |
| 08:41.49 | Jarek | Guerin, it's strange. I've added two nameservers and I still get no connection. |
| 08:42.10 | ThePlumber | Guerin: see, now that is not fair..... they should just -include- laptop optimization |
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| 08:42.28 | pitillo | wols_, I have tried with ubuntu and no way. lspci shows all like unknown devices.... I will try with the new stable |
| 08:42.47 | pitillo | wols_, than you for your help :) |
| 08:42.50 | ThePlumber | Guerin: seems to me that even SATA was disabled by default in the standard 2.6.20 kernel (and pcmcia). what is up with that?! |
| 08:42.57 | wols_ | pitillo: what CPU? |
| 08:43.10 | pitillo | wols_, semprom3000 am2 (64b) |
| 08:43.13 | wols_ | cause there are different nvidia chipsets with "400" in the name |
| 08:43.25 | ThePlumber | i guess no one uses pcmcia or sata drives these days? |
| 08:43.33 | wols_ | pitillo: then that's not nforce2 |
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| 08:43.52 | Guerin | ThePlumber: the thing is that you have to configure your kernels if you want to build |
| 08:43.55 | liable | Jarek: can you ping outsid the lan? |
| 08:43.56 | jgonzalez | Guerin, i have tryied it |
| 08:43.59 | Guerin | shit does not just magically know what you want |
| 08:44.00 | fluxdude3 | rebooting fixed it, there must be an irq address conflict |
| 08:44.05 | jgonzalez | is a new etch installation |
| 08:44.05 | Jarek | liable, no. |
| 08:44.06 | ThePlumber | whoever setup the defaults for the new kernel should be taken out back behind the server room and pummeled |
| 08:44.13 | pitillo | wols_, oki. I am going crazy. Never got any problem like this and I am trying to get it working a few days. |
| 08:44.15 | Guerin | Jarek: by ip, not by name |
| 08:44.17 | liable | Jarek: can you ping the router? |
| 08:44.22 | Jarek | ah, wait. |
| 08:44.33 | ThePlumber | Guerin: understandable but they -could- have sane defaults (maybe things that people actually use?) |
| 08:44.34 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:44.39 | Guerin | 4.2.2.2 is a valid ip in the internet which will return pings |
| 08:44.50 | liable | in teh tubes |
| 08:44.51 | Guerin | ThePlumber: i suggest you talk to lkml about `sane defaults' |
| 08:44.55 | ThePlumber | thats my ip address! |
| 08:45.05 | Guerin | ThePlumber: i thought yours was 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:45.08 | pitillo | wols_, reading and find something related to nforce400, that is the reason I doubted about the nforce2 |
| 08:45.14 | ThePlumber | so thats the guy i gotta pummel? |
| 08:45.20 | Guerin | at leats, that's the one I haxxed to get all that bunny pron |
| 08:45.22 | ThePlumber | lemme get my pummelling gloves on |
| 08:45.39 | haggz | theplumber: the thing is that "people" also includes physics researchers setting up distributed supercomputing and they are also a fairly big voice in how kernel stuff gets done, so the defaults from kernel source cant really be sane for everyone |
| 08:45.47 | ThePlumber | that idiot coming from 127.0.0.1? |
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| 08:46.02 | Guerin | ThePlumber: yeh. He's haxxing you up d00d. |
| 08:46.09 | wols_ | it's a Geforce61xx mainboard with the 400 southbridge |
| 08:46.09 | ThePlumber | haggz: yes, but sata? |
| 08:46.09 | Guerin | better pingflood him! |
| 08:46.16 | ThePlumber | Guerin: lol |
| 08:46.17 | pitillo | wols_, yes |
| 08:46.22 | Guerin | ThePlumber: i have never owned anything with sata |
| 08:46.25 | wols_ | pitillo: there still is no nforc400 |
| 08:46.30 | Guerin | afaic it's not a sane default |
| 08:46.33 | Jarek | Okay, sorry. Works for me. |
| 08:46.43 | Jarek | Thanks liable and Guerin. :) |
| 08:46.48 | pitillo | wols_, seems that is only the southbridge. |
| 08:46.52 | ThePlumber | i think i may be wrong but isnt sata the drive spec? |
| 08:46.58 | wols_ | pitillo: but with a recent kernel like in etch it should work. biggest problem might be the HDA audio |
| 08:47.14 | pitillo | wols_, sata and ide works fine, video, audio and net is hard to setup |
| 08:47.17 | liable | isnt it a connection spec really? |
| 08:47.21 | wols_ | and you might have to use the nvidia video drivers for accelerated X |
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| 08:47.30 | wols_ | net: forcedeth |
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| 08:47.36 | wols_ | audio: might need cvs alsa |
| 08:47.42 | haggz | theplumber: heres the thing, i suspect: your default kernel compile procedure is gonna try to grab info from your old setup, and the 2.6.20 kernel has reorganized how the options are organized in terms of sata, so the fairly dumb algorithm doing the transfer doesnt do it right at all |
| 08:48.05 | Guerin | in other words, it's a freaking miracle it even boots |
| 08:48.06 | pitillo | wols_, yes, that is supposed, but while it is detected like a unknow device I find it difficult |
| 08:48.16 | alleyoopster | hi all, having problems with nvidia and resume from ram on dell laptop, can someone tell me how to blacklist a module, adding it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist does not seem to work, the module is agpgart |
| 08:48.25 | wols_ | pitillo: update-pciids. run that |
| 08:48.30 | pitillo | wols_, yes, net and audio seems to be provided by a nforce linux driver too. |
| 08:48.38 | ThePlumber | haggz: so even with an mrproper it still tries to get information from the system? that doenst seem right |
| 08:48.48 | wols_ | pitillo: those drivers are pure trash. avoid at all costs |
| 08:48.51 | pitillo | wols_, hard to do it by now. it powered off at home. |
| 08:49.03 | wols_ | if you talk about nvidia provided drivers for nforce |
| 08:49.20 | pitillo | wols_, nice tip and taking note. |
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| 08:49.47 | pitillo | wols_, yes I mean that. |
| 08:49.48 | wols_ | only drivers from nvidia you'd want are the video ones |
| 08:49.51 | ThePlumber | haggz: im not having any sata problems (mine are svgalib). what I am saying is that they should include sane defaults |
| 08:50.09 | liable | if i put a new mobo in my server, and it uses another chipset for the drive, i can just remake the initrd to include the modules eh? |
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| 08:50.18 | liable | before i change it |
| 08:50.23 | wols_ | liable: yes |
| 08:50.31 | ThePlumber | i bet someone will eventually buy a new sata drive to find that it will not work on their new kernel (standard kernel.org kernel) |
| 08:50.42 | wols_ | but if you use a debian kernel, nothing should be needed. should "just work" |
| 08:50.54 | pitillo | wols_, oki. Then for audio I think alsa cvs. And for net? is it provided by newer kernels? |
| 08:51.03 | ThePlumber | then they will need to recompile and piss and moan the entire time about how "shitty" linux is...... that is a shme |
| 08:51.04 | wols_ | pitillo: forcedeth |
| 08:51.08 | liable | wols_: remaking the initrd is even needed? |
| 08:51.13 | tarzeau | what says ls -la /dev/console for you? |
| 08:51.14 | liable | isnt* |
| 08:51.20 | wols_ | liable: afaik no. but I never use initrds |
| 08:51.36 | liable | wols_: I only do on this one box |
| 08:52.23 | pitillo | wols_, oki, I will try witht he new stable and the last kernel. Thank you a lot. :) |
| 08:52.29 | liable | and i dont want to have to find a monitor to fix the fucker if it breaks |
| 08:52.32 | bushblows | what could cause firefox to constantly freeze all the time? |
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| 08:53.05 | wols_ | bushblows: bad profile |
| 08:53.21 | liable | i guess i'll prolly have to anyway to see what the bios does |
| 08:53.32 | haggz | theplumber: I agree that the process of compiling a kernel for your hardware could be improved, a utility that attempted to generate a sane config for a new kernel by scanning the currently running hardware would be much appreciated |
| 08:53.43 | bushblows | wols_, like a bad firefox profile |
| 08:53.52 | bushblows | I am not 100% sure on what you mean by that |
| 08:53.57 | wols_ | bushblows: yes |
| 08:54.02 | pitillo | well, time to look for the download. :) |
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| 08:54.27 | alleyoopster | My machine hangs on resume and CPU runs at 100%, black screen with some odd bits of text. How to troubleshoot? |
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| 08:54.43 | ThePlumber | haggz: agreed, make oldconfig does not cut it |
| 08:55.07 | ThePlumber | could have sworn i saw a way to get the running info the other day though..... |
| 08:55.28 | ThePlumber | russo: hey, thats my last name. |
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| 08:55.52 | russo | its what my spaish friend called me... since i'm russian :) |
| 08:56.00 | ThePlumber | russo: almost thought you were haxoring my connection :-) |
| 08:56.06 | ThePlumber | ahhhhhh. |
| 08:56.18 | ThePlumber | russo is italian though |
| 08:56.27 | ThePlumber | you cant do that :-) |
| 08:56.38 | russo | thats even better than :) italians are cooler :P |
| 08:56.40 | ThePlumber | haggz just said so |
| 08:56.45 | ThePlumber | yeah |
| 08:56.51 | liable | heh, a russian saying he'll never drink again is like saying a kiwi wont look sideways at that sheep that been recently shawn |
| 08:57.13 | ThePlumber | russians like tequila right? |
| 08:57.20 | liable | vodka |
| 08:57.28 | liable | ThePlumber: thats mexicans |
| 08:57.30 | tarzeau | can someone paste his ls -la /dev/console please? |
| 08:57.39 | lang72 | ThePlumber: They can not do much without Vodka |
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| 08:57.40 | russo | i had too many white russians |
| 08:57.45 | russo | i'm exagerating |
| 08:57.49 | liable | ThePlumber: crw-------- |
| 08:57.53 | liable | tarzeau: ^^^ |
| 08:58.05 | ThePlumber | crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 2007-04-13 02:40 /dev/console |
| 08:58.08 | russo | i'm opening a beer to feel better |
| 08:58.11 | tarzeau | ThePlumber: thanks |
| 08:58.15 | ThePlumber | np |
| 08:58.27 | tarzeau | is it possible /dev/console used to be root tty ? |
| 08:58.34 | tarzeau | and it changed somewhen during sarge? |
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| 08:58.49 | tarzeau | likewise for /dev/tty[0-9]* |
| 08:59.05 | liable | tarzeau: point, since tty should be group owner |
| 08:59.11 | liable | for writing |
| 08:59.20 | liable | i read something about it the other day |
| 08:59.34 | liable | cant remember wtf it was |
| 08:59.35 | tarzeau | liable: really? can you tell me when, why and what changed it? |
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| 08:59.41 | liable | tarzeau: no |
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| 09:01.31 | possie | does a lun also have something unique so i can identify them? |
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| 09:02.00 | liable | possie: what are you doing? mdadm config? |
| 09:02.03 | ThePlumber | damned svgalib, maybe I should call the DoomII technical support hotline.... They say if I have any problems I can call the number. |
| 09:02.22 | ThePlumber | bitch that Carmack guy out |
| 09:02.43 | possie | liable, no, getting a shared lun from my san, and i want to know if /dev/sda on machine A is also /dev/sda on machine B |
| 09:02.56 | liable | possie: running sarge? |
| 09:03.03 | possie | liable, yes |
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| 09:03.30 | liable | russo: techno? |
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| 09:03.46 | russo | liable: deep house/tech house/tribal |
| 09:03.46 | ThePlumber | scratch it up |
| 09:03.49 | liable | possie: hrm i wouldnt have a clue actually |
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| 09:04.07 | liable | eew :P |
| 09:04.19 | possie | liable, because looking at /proc/scsi/qla2300/0 doesn't tell me something unique about the lun's |
| 09:04.26 | possie | liable, on etch it would have been different then? |
| 09:04.51 | liable | possie: etch doesnt use devfs so you wont have that problem |
| 09:05.16 | earthian_ | is there any way to diagnose if I have a hardware problem with my SATA ports on my Tyan S2895 (XW9300) mainboard or if it is KERNEL problem ??? |
| 09:05.20 | possie | liable, what do you mean? |
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| 09:05.55 | alleyoopster | Due to lack of interest :) I'll rephrase my q, if a module is autoloaded by the kernel, how can you stop it? |
| 09:05.59 | russo | liable: you don't like tribal etc? WHAT KIND OF MUSIC DO YOU LIKE |
| 09:06.03 | liable | possie: /discs/lun/foo is devfs naming |
| 09:06.15 | liable | or whatever the order is |
| 09:06.25 | fengor | alleyoopster: man rmmod |
| 09:06.25 | russo | sorry for caps |
| 09:06.32 | russo | i can touchtype |
| 09:06.32 | possie | liable, so how does etch do it then? |
| 09:06.34 | alleyoopster | fengor: thanks |
| 09:06.35 | liable | russo: i'm an old school techno baby |
| 09:06.38 | russo | i was watching tv and typing |
| 09:06.39 | quarkhead | how do i find what user ices starts under |
| 09:06.47 | quarkhead | any one? |
| 09:06.49 | liable | possie: with udev |
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| 09:07.12 | russo | liable: old school is amazing... i dunno if you've heard any recent techno... its been going down hill to say the least |
| 09:07.13 | liable | quarkhead: ps aux |grep ices |
| 09:07.15 | possie | liable, and how does udev resolve the problem i'm having then? |
| 09:07.23 | quarkhead | tnx |
| 09:07.31 | ThePlumber | skinny puppy <- i like |
| 09:07.43 | ThePlumber | oh, debian -and- skinny puppy |
| 09:07.48 | balman | what is the easiest way to make a copy of a debian system? |
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| 09:07.58 | liable | possie: i dont know :P i am not sure exactly what your problem is |
| 09:08.10 | ThePlumber | balman: cp -aux / /out |
| 09:08.23 | possie | liable, i have a SAN device, which exports a single LUN to two machines of mine, machine A and B |
| 09:08.23 | liable | russo: i havent technoed for about 9 years |
| 09:08.34 | fengor | !tell balman about ubercopy |
| 09:08.57 | russo | liable: you and millions of other people... :) thats when the scene ended :) |
| 09:09.22 | liable | russo: yeah, we all got old ;) |
| 09:09.26 | possie | liable, since it's a single LUN i can easily tell that /dev/sda on machine A is the same as /dev/sda on machine B, however... |
| 09:10.13 | russo | liable: you're much better than i am at having 2 conversations at once... about /dev/sda and /dev/techno ;) |
| 09:10.14 | liable | russo: even then, the music was hit, 90-95 were the best years for cranking old school |
| 09:10.28 | russo | exactly! |
| 09:10.29 | balman | ThePlumber, if i want to use the copy in another box to boot up the system, your case won't work. |
| 09:10.29 | liable | s/hit/shit |
| 09:10.31 | russo | you said it |
| 09:10.40 | possie | liable, when i'm mixing single accessed lun's with shared luns through out my system, i need a way to uniquely identify each LUN in order to know which the are |
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| 09:11.10 | ThePlumber | balman: you want to clone your drive? |
| 09:11.17 | liable | possie: whats your definition of a lun? i think i am confused. |
| 09:11.36 | possie | liable, a LUN is disk which a SAN device exports to my sytem |
| 09:12.53 | liable | possie: i might just leave it to someone else to answer your question ;) |
| 09:13.12 | ThePlumber | balman: you can just use an nfs mount to your remote machine and copy down the filesystem to your regular machine |
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| 09:13.29 | liable | and i might cook this fat steak i bought |
| 09:13.41 | russo | possie: the word "mixing" is misleading in this situation :) |
| 09:13.43 | ThePlumber | balman: just use SystemRescueCD to boot your main machine. |
| 09:14.41 | insolit2 | what's a pathspec directory? |
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| 09:14.58 | russo | SystemRescue ftw! |
| 09:15.07 | russo | i love it :) |
| 09:15.43 | ThePlumber | russo: its alittle more than that |
| 09:16.26 | bolt | Is there a program that just resolves dns's to an IP address? given I have, for instance, debian.org and want to use its IP in a script, how can I get the IP? |
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| 09:16.57 | ThePlumber | bolt: use "host" or "nslookup" |
| 09:17.07 | russo | ThePlumber: has taken the place of partition magic in my heart :) and in my cd-booklet |
| 09:17.08 | stew | bolt: "getent hosts debian.org" or "host debian.org" |
| 09:17.10 | xand | well that won't give you a "clean" answer |
| 09:17.50 | ThePlumber | russo: do you have both version? -I- have the i386 and 686 flavors (smug) |
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| 09:18.05 | balman | ThePlumber, no, but to use as much of the stuff as possible. i know files like /etc/fstab and /etc/X11/xorg.conf has to be changed. but hopefully this would be the only two. |
| 09:18.05 | balman | ThePlumber, but the important point is that the copy can boot up in another box. |
| 09:18.17 | balman | fengor, the link you provide is not reachable. does that ubercopy gives a bootable copy? |
| 09:18.46 | russo | ThePlumber: i dled it once and burnt a cd... and it saved me :) and i just use that cd.... i didn't know there are different versions |
| 09:18.52 | fengor | its a frontend to dd so you can make a bit to bit copy of your system |
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| 09:19.13 | fengor | so if you have the same hardware it should be bootable |
| 09:19.40 | balman | if i copy everything fr '/' over to another drive and then use cfdisk to make it bootable, will i get a bootable drive ready for another box? |
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| 09:19.51 | jgonzalez | Guerin, now i get this error |
| 09:19.52 | ThePlumber | balman: use grub on both machines and you won't need to do anything special, the boot loader will be just fine, get the SystemRescueCD (there is an i386 ver that works on everything) |
| 09:19.53 | jgonzalez | "Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
| 09:19.58 | jgonzalez | in this path are fonts : ( |
| 09:20.16 | ThePlumber | balman: use nfs to export the root of the machine you want to copy |
| 09:20.24 | fengor | balman: that depends on your partition layout on the source and target |
| 09:20.36 | russo | imho: lilo > grub... i got lilo to boot configurations that i couldn't get to work in grub |
| 09:20.51 | ThePlumber | russo: the i386 version is the one that you want for emergencies as the 686 will -only- run on 686's and above |
| 09:21.07 | russo | ThePlumber: i got that much :D :D :D |
| 09:21.26 | russo | i think i dled 686... i only have 686 and up |
| 09:21.43 | ThePlumber | :-) must be nice |
| 09:22.21 | ThePlumber | I stick with slower machines as I dont need the hp and don't need the extra $$ for powering those monsters |
| 09:22.29 | ThePlumber | 386's rock |
| 09:22.38 | balman | fengor, that dd would produce a bit image including the MBR? |
| 09:22.38 | ThePlumber | no heat sinks etc |
| 09:22.43 | russo | ThePlumber: i have a MBP, an athlon 64 3500+ venice box... and a athlon xp 2600+ mobile server... and an Asus z71v |
| 09:22.45 | stew | ThePlumber: not for linux they don't, since they are no longer supported |
| 09:22.56 | fluffle | hi there, can someone point me towards a guide to setting up a local repository for etch so that I can use it as a package source for netboot installations? |
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| 09:23.25 | ThePlumber | sure they are! just use a older version of linux, shit im running the 2.6.20 kernel on sarge (somehow) |
| 09:23.41 | balman | fengor, and dd would take a long time for gigabytes drive becos it would blindly copy even the blank parts? |
| 09:24.00 | liable | balman: sfdisk can be used to backup the mbr, not that theres much point |
| 09:24.15 | stew | ThePlumber: no, they no longer supported. You'll notice that debian is no longer shipping -386 kernels, only -486 kerneels |
| 09:24.17 | fengor | yes balman |
| 09:24.38 | liable | balman: your better off tarring your drive and reinstalling then copying back over |
| 09:24.41 | russo | ok all... stay cool! i'm gonna go take a nap... because my head hurts a bit for whatever reason :) |
| 09:24.48 | ThePlumber | stew: hmmmmm. doesnt kernel.org keep copies of all the old kernels? |
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| 09:25.01 | liable | yes |
| 09:25.19 | ThePlumber | well there you go |
| 09:25.52 | liable | ThePlumber: you can get old debian kernels from snapshot.debian.net |
| 09:25.57 | ThePlumber | 386 rock and roll! i got an old compaq with a built-in monitor that I want get running some day (think its a 286 though) |
| 09:26.01 | stew | but they are not supported |
| 09:26.04 | epsilon | *puh* 800GB etch cd/dvd image upload done |
| 09:26.14 | stew | 286 was never supported by linux |
| 09:26.17 | liable | 800G??? |
| 09:26.35 | epsilon | can't more, 1TB is limit :D |
| 09:26.38 | ThePlumber | lousy linux developers never supported the 286......... |
| 09:26.42 | stew | i guess when i said, "not by linux", I should have said "not by debian" |
| 09:26.44 | ThePlumber | bastards! |
| 09:26.45 | russo | ok sleep |
| 09:26.51 | stew | ThePlumber: the 286 didn't support protected memory |
| 09:26.58 | liable | oh dear |
| 09:27.06 | liable | interesting cloak |
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| 09:27.29 | bolt | How does stuff like ping get the IP address of the host? There must be some sort of program that returns just the remote IP address, nothing more. |
| 09:27.46 | ThePlumber | remember reading a while back between the different versions, it was some college name..... |
| 09:27.49 | liable | balman: from a dys server |
| 09:27.52 | spikeb | epsilon, that's only half the archive! |
| 09:27.52 | ThePlumber | cambridge? |
| 09:27.53 | liable | dns |
| 09:27.55 | spikeb | (ha ha) |
| 09:27.55 | cafuego | bolt: ping uses the resolver library |
| 09:28.02 | balman | epsilon, is it really 800G? what method do you use? |
| 09:28.24 | xand | bolt: gethostbyname()? |
| 09:28.29 | ThePlumber | protected versus unprotected |
| 09:28.29 | balman | liable, dys stand for? |
| 09:28.30 | epsilon | just my dedicated box in internet with100MBit connection |
| 09:28.37 | liable | balman: typo |
| 09:28.55 | ThePlumber | one arch has seperate mem for variables and the other has one for programs..... |
| 09:28.56 | epsilon | uploaded via torrent with constant 20mbit last few days since release |
| 09:29.06 | ThePlumber | what the hell am i thinking of? |
| 09:29.06 | liable | epsilon: what exactly did you do that took 800G?? |
| 09:29.13 | liable | oh |
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| 09:29.16 | liable | i see |
| 09:29.45 | liable | epsilon: good little debianite ;) |
| 09:30.29 | balman | epsilon, so it took you a few days 24hr round the clock? does etch image takes that much bytes? |
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| 09:30.57 | Mathiazz | hi i want to make a bash script to add user from a simple file "user password" but i have problems with password |
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| 09:31.05 | litage | how does cron determine at what time files in /etc/cron.daily/ should be run? |
| 09:31.32 | xand | litage: /etc/crontab |
| 09:31.33 | Mathiazz | useradd -m toto --password test ... doesn t work, i think it need to be crypted |
| 09:31.41 | Mathiazz | i need some help |
| 09:31.49 | xand | Mathiazz: yes, or that would be very insecure |
| 09:31.49 | litage | xand: what do you mean? |
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| 09:31.56 | xand | litage: look at that file |
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| 09:32.04 | bzed | Mathiazz: yes, you need to crypt them before |
| 09:32.07 | litage | xand: ah i see. thanks |
| 09:32.12 | Mathiazz | how can i do that? |
| 09:32.15 | cydork | Mathiazz: you can use mkpasswd |
| 09:32.15 | Shafto | What version of gnome does etch run? |
| 09:32.22 | xand | Shafto: 2.14 |
| 09:32.23 | krissarge | Hello, installing etch from scratch I forgot to say to use shasow password. Can anybody say me how to correct it ? Thanks. |
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| 09:32.31 | spikeb | Shafto, 2.14 with updated apps in some cases |
| 09:32.58 | Mathiazz | and dou you know how combine mkpasswd and adduser? |
| 09:33.07 | Mathiazz | useradd sorry |
| 09:33.10 | xand | krissarge: dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 09:33.29 | krissarge | xand, Thanks to you |
| 09:33.34 | Shafto | Is debian anything like ubuntu at all, when it coes to like not updating certain packages etc? |
| 09:33.42 | epsilon | krissarge: man shadowconfig |
| 09:34.08 | stew | Shafto: can you be more specific? |
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| 09:35.10 | cafuego | Shafto: it uses the same package system, yes. |
| 09:35.12 | bzed | Mathiazz: useradd ..... -p `mkpasswd -H md5 secretpassword` |
| 09:35.17 | Shafto | stew: For some strrange reason, whether its true or not i dont know, but I got an image that in pacakage manager in ubuntu, the packages only get updated every 6 months, when new version comes out>\ |
| 09:35.37 | ThePlumber | anyone know what module evdev is for? |
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| 09:35.43 | Mathiazz | thanks everybody |
| 09:35.51 | bzed | ThePlumber: modinfo evdev ? |
| 09:35.58 | cafuego | Shafto: Debian has a somewhat longer release cycle, traditionally about 3 years ;-) |
| 09:36.02 | wols_ | my sid install constantly wants me to run dkg-reconfigure -a when I try to apt-get something since a former was suppseodly interrupted. however this is not true. Any way to tel it to stop that? |
| 09:36.03 | stew | Shafto: once a debian release is released as "stable" it will only get updates to packages to fix security problems. debian does not release new versions as often as every 6 months |
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| 09:36.24 | ThePlumber | bzed: your gonna make me issue a command then huh? |
| 09:36.26 | Wolfete | hola |
| 09:36.30 | ThePlumber | fine! |
| 09:36.36 | ThePlumber | :-) thx |
| 09:36.36 | bzed | TheArthur: yeah,. learning by doing |
| 09:36.39 | cafuego | How rude! |
| 09:36.46 | Wolfete | s/hola/hi/ |
| 09:36.46 | bzed | ;) |
| 09:37.23 | balman | back to my question, copying the files over is easy. how to make the new drive bootable? can i install grub on the new drive? |
| 09:37.54 | bzed | ThePlumber: if you want to know more, read the stuff in Documentation/input in the kernel sources |
| 09:38.33 | ThePlumber | bzed: cool, thx! |
| 09:38.37 | crazy_penguin | Hello all! |
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| 09:39.57 | wols_ | how does apt-get know I need t run dpkg-reconfigure -a to finish a former apt-gte operation? |
| 09:40.42 | wols_ | oops. dpkg --configure -a |
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| 09:42.25 | stew | wols_: i would guess from checking the Status: lines in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:42.38 | robert83a1 | hello, apt-get build-dep kernel-source-2.6.8 is not working on my debian |
| 09:42.54 | robert83a1 | how do I check what is the current kernel source for 2.6.x? |
| 09:42.56 | blue | is there a way to run mysql-server-4.1 on etch? |
| 09:43.13 | stew | robert83a1: what version of debian are you running? |
| 09:43.24 | wols_ | stew: I misread and use dpkg-reconfigure -a instead of dpkg --configure -a. silly me |
| 09:43.33 | robert83a1 | stew : my problem is that I don't know how to check :) (used CentOS only before) |
| 09:43.42 | blue | !info mysql-server etch |
| 09:44.02 | wols_ | robert83a1: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 09:44.30 | robert83a1 | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 09:44.37 | wols_ | robert83a1: but the latest debian stable is now debian 4.0 which uses kernel 2.6.18 |
| 09:44.42 | stew | robert83a1: "apt-cache search kernel-source" |
| 09:44.49 | wols_ | robert83a1: you are running sarge aka oldstable |
| 09:45.08 | stew | robert83a1: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:45.10 | robert83a1 | wols_ : thankyou |
| 09:45.18 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
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| 09:46.14 | crm_ | anyone know much about getting a webcam working? |
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| 09:46.53 | crm_ | the thing is registered as /dev/video0 .. but xawtv is only showing a black screen |
| 09:47.34 | crm_ | ive installed vlc.. but have no idea how to operate it |
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| 09:51.13 | liable | crm_: they have fairly good docs |
| 09:51.45 | crm_ | thanks liable .. guess thats a nicer response than rtfm =) |
| 09:51.49 | liable | dpkg: why did you say that? |
| 09:51.49 | dpkg | Because the voices told me to do it! |
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| 09:52.29 | liable | crm_: heh, i guess, but they really do have quite good docs from memory |
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| 09:53.29 | crm_ | my concern is that the problem might be a bit lower than the apps (xawtv/vlc) |
| 09:53.42 | liable | crm_: not sure what vlc has to do with your webcam though, but if its been allocated a /dev, i guess its got a driver |
| 09:54.30 | Supaplex | crm_: can xawtv find it? |
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| 09:54.52 | crm_ | Supaplex .. i think so.. though its giving me a strange output |
| 09:54.56 | Supaplex | crm_: what's the webcam? lsusb |
| 09:55.05 | crm_ | lsusb? |
| 09:55.14 | Supaplex | some webcam chipsets are only partially supported. yes, run lsusb. |
| 09:55.20 | crm_ | k =) |
| 09:55.28 | Supaplex | eg, Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0411:00a2 MelCo., Inc. |
| 09:55.36 | crm_ | thats thinking.... |
| 09:55.39 | Supaplex | nopaste it if it's more than a line or two. |
| 09:55.50 | crm_ | ... |
| 09:56.01 | crm_ | ... |
| 09:56.10 | crm_ | should it take this long? |
| 09:56.23 | Supaplex | lsusb? no, it's nearly instant. |
| 09:56.33 | crm_ | its still thinking |
| 09:56.46 | Mathiazz | i have my solution : |
| 09:56.48 | Mathiazz | #!/usr/bin/awk -f |
| 09:56.54 | Mathiazz | { system( "useradd -m -p `mkpasswd -H md5 "$2" ` "$1 )} |
| 09:56.57 | Mathiazz | =) |
| 09:57.18 | Mathiazz | to make user/password from a list |
| 09:57.21 | Supaplex | Mathiazz: that's one ugly shell script :P |
| 09:57.30 | Mathiazz | sure |
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| 09:58.30 | robert83a1 | hi, I'm running apt-cache search kernel-source and I don't really understand what this is but I get back cpad-common cpad-kernel-source oprofile wacom-kernel-source wacom-tools xserver-xorg-input wacom , can anyone tell me what the current version of the kernel source for debian sarge is? |
| 09:58.34 | Mathiazz | but linux script often ugly |
| 09:58.41 | robert83a1 | the 2.6 kernel source |
| 09:59.13 | stew | robert83a1: 2.6.8 |
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| 09:59.23 | stew | robert83a1: btw, why are you building your own kernel at all? |
| 09:59.31 | robert83a1 | bandwidth arbitrator |
| 09:59.41 | robert83a1 | I already built it a few times...but it was a long time ago |
| 09:59.55 | stew | robert83a1: you mean qos? |
| 09:59.59 | robert83a1 | last time I just typed apt-get build-dep kernel-source-2.6.8-3 and it worked |
| 10:00.03 | robert83a1 | yeah I mean qos |
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| 10:00.10 | robert83a1 | but now I get a package not found error |
| 10:00.18 | stew | robert83a1: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 10:00.22 | robert83a1 | I really don't know to use debian to much, only for arbi |
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| 10:00.25 | Shadur | robert83a1: kernel-source-2.6 is an alias to the most recent debian kernel source |
| 10:00.29 | stew | robert83a1: the debian built kenrnels already have qos built in |
| 10:00.32 | crm_ | i had to hit <enter> again Supaplex |
| 10:00.36 | crm_ | http://pastebin.ca/437900 |
| 10:00.50 | falap | I'm still struggling to get GRUB working. |
| 10:00.55 | robert83a1 | bandwidth arbitrator is better here for me, I'm managing bandwidth for 220~ clients |
| 10:01.23 | robert83a1 | I just get a unable to find a source package for kernel-source-2.6 |
| 10:01.30 | stew | robert83a1: which kenrel module are you looking for? |
| 10:01.32 | robert83a1 | I've selected a hungarian and a german mirror |
| 10:01.42 | stew | robert83a1: does it not show up in "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep sched" ? |
| 10:01.49 | robert83a1 | I need to completely recompile my kernel with modified bridge utils |
| 10:02.16 | robert83a1 | I already did this a few times works to fine, I'm stuck at this kernel-source part :) |
| 10:02.42 | stew | robert83a1: is your sources.list pointing at "sarge" or "stable"? |
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| 10:02.55 | robert83a1 | stable |
| 10:03.18 | stew | robert83a1: that's your problem then. on suday, 'stable' changed from 'sarge' to 'etch' |
| 10:03.37 | robert83a1 | so I change stable to etch ? |
| 10:03.50 | stew | robert83a1: so you need to either a) switch your sources to "sarge" to stick with the old stable, or b) read the release notes (/msg dpkg etch) to upgrade to etch |
| 10:03.57 | stew | robert83a1: no, stable IS etch |
| 10:04.02 | robert83a1 | oh! |
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| 10:04.03 | crm_ | what am i ever to do Supaplex !? |
| 10:04.04 | stew | robert83a1: you just haven't upgraded to it yet |
| 10:04.05 | robert83a1 | I get it |
| 10:04.06 | robert83a1 | sorry |
| 10:04.08 | JJ|Laptop | anyone play nwn? |
| 10:04.17 | robert83a1 | I will download the newest debian for the next time :) |
| 10:04.23 | robert83a1 | now I'll change stable to sarge |
| 10:04.48 | stew | robert83a1: so, for instance, now "apt-cache search linux-source" will find kernel sources (debian switched the names from kernel-source to linux-source) |
| 10:04.59 | robert83a1 | oh |
| 10:05.18 | robert83a1 | hmm...I ran apt-get update |
| 10:05.18 | stew | robert83a1: anything you change sources.list, run "aptitude update" |
| 10:05.27 | robert83a1 | ok... |
| 10:05.34 | robert83a1 | should I run apt-get clean or something? |
| 10:05.51 | stew | robert83a1: apt-get clean just clears the package cache in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:06.02 | crm_ | hrm.. i need to do that |
| 10:06.46 | Supaplex | crm_: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3332 |
| 10:07.19 | Gambaroni | When I try to connect to my TFTP with PXE the log says: cannot bind to local socket: Permission denied. Why? |
| 10:08.04 | robert83a1 | stew : I only asked because I did a update with the inccorrect packages no ? stable was etch and I'm using sarge |
| 10:08.05 | Supaplex | oi. my brain is spent. time to recharge it. |
| 10:08.19 | crm_ | no no |
| 10:08.31 | crm_ | im sure there's some change left in there |
| 10:08.46 | stew | robert83a1: yeah, and running "update" again fixed that |
| 10:08.54 | crm_ | so.. Supaplex .. can i tell you the error im getting from xawtv? |
| 10:09.14 | stew | robert83a1: we'd be having a much different conversation if you had run "upgrade" with the wrong sources however |
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| 10:09.20 | robert83a1 | stew : ok, just asked before doing something crazy |
| 10:09.29 | robert83a1 | stew : I'm doing the apt-get update again |
| 10:10.20 | Supaplex | crm_: hold on to that thought. I'll be back in a few hours. /detach. |
| 10:10.33 | crm_ | while(1) |
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| 10:13.52 | Superdoc | hello Gentlemans, i'm a new to Debian and also Learning Linux. |
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| 10:15.58 | stew | Superdoc: welcome |
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| 10:16.22 | Superdoc | thanks for the warm welcome stew |
| 10:16.30 | sep | Superdoc, welcome to make sure you come off with a good first impression, make sure you take the time to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, and read whats in the topic when you join a channel. then you'll be awarded geekhood in no time :) |
| 10:17.00 | Superdoc | ok |
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| 10:20.33 | kuribas | Why does upgrading always have to break so many things? |
| 10:20.51 | xand | it doesn't |
| 10:21.00 | kuribas | xand: it does. |
| 10:21.11 | stew | kuribas: what exactly broke? and how? |
| 10:22.07 | xand | kuribas: afraid not. |
| 10:22.11 | kuribas | Since upgrading, when I print something it offsets every page, so that a lot of text falls of the page. |
| 10:22.19 | xand | sounds like page size is wrong |
| 10:22.31 | kuribas | xand: I didn't have that problem before. |
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| 10:25.44 | gospon-znj | lala |
| 10:26.23 | kuribas | xand: Which page size? |
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| 10:26.47 | MrWup | whats a good IMAP server which can *EASILY* authenticate with active directory? |
| 10:27.19 | falap | I'm researching. I hope my GRUB-problem goes away when I update my Asus P5B Deluxe Wifi/AP Edition BIOS. |
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| 10:28.40 | dani_84 | hi, do you know if there are still problems between asus p5b ( jmicron ich8 and realtek 8169 ) and debian installer ? |
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| 10:29.04 | wols_ | MrWup: I don't think that exists |
| 10:29.41 | stew | microsoft exchange :P |
| 10:29.53 | Greek-Boy | I have partitioned my system with a / root partition and a swap partition. its simple that way but is it a good idea? |
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| 10:30.19 | falap | dani_84: do P5B Deluxe Wifi/AP Edition and P5B have the same jmicron and realtek components? |
| 10:30.55 | liable | wtf is apche internal dummy connection about? |
| 10:31.08 | MrWup | wols_, ive tried about 3 more groupware solutions for windows now, having given up briefly on linux. ms exchange wont install- it has various errors and messes up my windows installation. mdaemon fails its internal CRC check and wont install. kerio is poor and requires i get the latest service pack. novell groupwise gets to 20% of the download each time and stops and is hideously expensive, gordano installs but is poor |
| 10:31.32 | MrWup | 4 even |
| 10:31.39 | cybermad | i already install ssh via apt-get install ssh, how to start it? |
| 10:31.44 | falap | dani_84: I have a P5B Deluxe Wifi/AP Edition and I'm having GRUB giving error 21. I'm just looking for information about my BIOS version linux+grub compatibility. |
| 10:31.45 | wols_ | MrWup: I don't give a fuck about your windows problems. This is #debian |
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| 10:32.12 | MrWup | heh, as if you could help with the debian problems. |
| 10:32.18 | MrWup | and they're numerous |
| 10:32.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.50 | wols_ | !tell falap about hcl |
| 10:32.54 | dani_84 | falap, yes they have the same controllers |
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| 10:33.21 | cybermad | i want to start the apache2 too.. does it same command? "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" |
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| 10:33.26 | JoyFM | hi |
| 10:33.34 | wols_ | cybermad: yes |
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| 10:33.40 | crm_ | http://pastebin.ca/437921 |
| 10:33.44 | JoyFM | somebody who knows something about mdadm? |
| 10:33.54 | wols_ | !tell JoyFM about anyone |
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| 10:34.29 | JoyFM | becouse if i create a device it is one partition to small |
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| 10:34.45 | JoyFM | is it normal that a raid 5 needs one partition more? |
| 10:34.59 | wols_ | JoyFM: raid5 needs at least 3 parttitions/disks |
| 10:35.02 | dani_84 | falap, i tried to install lenny but the installer freeze on "retrieving package 82" (the last one) |
| 10:35.07 | JoyFM | for example if i have 3 160GB devices ... the mdadm device is about 320GB |
| 10:35.21 | wols_ | JoyFM: yes. one disk is parity |
| 10:35.27 | fengor | yes thats normal JoyFM |
| 10:35.30 | JoyFM | ok |
| 10:35.44 | kuribas | xand: The printing is done by magicfilter, it doesn't say anything about "page size". |
| 10:35.59 | kuribas | xand: So that means it did break something. |
| 10:36.19 | falap | dani_84: if you have bios 0804 or earlier you have to update to get jmicron working with linux+grub. http://www.gentoo.ro/forum_viewtopic.php?15.8310 |
| 10:37.06 | JoyFM | some thing else |
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| 10:37.15 | dani_84 | falap how can i update if i cannot install ? |
| 10:37.33 | JoyFM | is it possible to deacitvate ncq in ahci? |
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| 10:37.42 | dani_84 | i tried ubuntu and arch and they work perfectly |
| 10:37.43 | xand | kuribas: the page size must be specified somewhere. e.g. letter instead of A4 |
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| 10:37.57 | wols_ | dani_84: DOS bootdisk with the flash util and the new BIOS |
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| 10:38.29 | dani_84 | wols_, is the only thing to do to install debian? |
| 10:38.53 | wols_ | I don't understand what you mean |
| 10:39.01 | liable | whwre the hell is apache2's access.log set? |
| 10:39.25 | petemc | liable: /var/log/apache(2)/ |
| 10:39.38 | petemc | liable: or some other arbitrary location, depending |
| 10:39.46 | dani_84 | wols_, i mean that i don't want to update my bios :-p |
| 10:39.49 | wols_ | liable: apache2/sites-available/default: CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined |
| 10:39.55 | wols_ | dani_84: suit yourself |
| 10:40.14 | liable | petemc: i cant see where its mentioned in the conf file and i am not getting any (just upgraded from apache-1.3 |
| 10:40.27 | petemc | liable: which conf? |
| 10:40.48 | Greek-Boy | how does one update the kernel in debian? just apt-get the latest kernel image? |
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| 10:41.01 | JoyFM | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:41.07 | JoyFM | @ Greek-Boy |
| 10:41.34 | wols_ | Greek-Boy: depends what kernel you want and what debian you run |
| 10:41.34 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 10:41.34 | JoyFM | or apt-get the last image |
| 10:41.51 | kuribas | xand: sounds logical, but I don't know why it worked before. Let's see... |
| 10:42.05 | JoyFM | is it normal that fdisk says "Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 10:42.16 | JoyFM | (if /dev/md0 is a raid device) |
| 10:42.18 | liable | petemc: apache2.conf. its in sites-available/default but none of my vhaosts are generating logs |
| 10:42.35 | Greek-Boy | wols_ i'm running a very old 2.4 kernel |
| 10:42.40 | Greek-Boy | i want the latest 2.6 |
| 10:42.52 | wols_ | Greek-Boy: dist-upgrade first |
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| 10:43.04 | petemc | liable: check sites-enabled |
| 10:43.08 | wols_ | you want to run etch for that |
| 10:43.13 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.17 | niru | how to solve this |
| 10:43.27 | wols_ | niru: by reading the topic |
| 10:43.56 | liable | petemc: oh, they all have to have the log line in there confs? |
| 10:43.56 | cusco | niru: bosslinux.in ? is that a oficial mirror? |
| 10:44.01 | h3sp4wn | JoyFM: echo 1 > wherever queue_depth is in /sys (should be 31 if its enabled) |
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| 10:44.27 | niru | cusco, yup |
| 10:44.35 | petemc | liable: yeah, its essentially all vhosts, even if you only have one |
| 10:44.41 | BUMBACL0T | ok, im settin up my friends box, and when i try to login, how come i don't see that thing where it says "keyboard-authentication"-something something? |
| 10:44.50 | BUMBACL0T | im talkin remote here aka ssh |
| 10:45.06 | liable | petemc: yikes, ok, thanks. |
| 10:45.09 | BUMBACL0T | he upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 10:45.17 | cusco | niru: seems to me to be "boss gnu/linux" instead of "debian gnu/linux" |
| 10:45.42 | niru | cusco, give the command for generating gpg key |
| 10:45.53 | falap | dani_84: the P5B bios updates are different from P5B Deluxe Wifi/AP. at the Asus download site they don't mention any jmicron bios versions for P5B BIOS updates. |
| 10:45.55 | wols_ | niru: this is not debian, so we can't help you |
| 10:46.46 | stew | niru: you don't generate it, you have to get it from the owner |
| 10:47.17 | falap | dani_84: the installation stops at "retrieving package 81 of 81" for me too. |
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| 10:47.55 | falap | dani_84: the solution was to not choose any software to install in the installation phase. |
| 10:48.04 | JoyFM | how do i set system files at boot (for example /sys/block/sdX/queue_depth) ? |
| 10:48.07 | kuribas | xand: Magicfilter gives me: "Paper size is A4, page length is 72 lines." but it still prints wrong. |
| 10:48.34 | dani_84 | falap and what do you think you'lll do? |
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| 10:49.35 | falap | dani_84: I will update my BIOS and try again. |
| 10:49.47 | dani_84 | ok thank you |
| 10:49.55 | dani_84 | now i have to go |
| 10:49.55 | dani_84 | bye |
| 10:50.31 | liable | petemc: thanks, that got the sucker fixed. |
| 10:50.42 | abrotman | stew: don't you ever sleep? :) |
| 10:50.43 | crm_ | guys.. ive had this message repeating for ages.. can anyone suggest a fix? |
| 10:50.53 | stew | abrotman: i fell asleep at 10pm last night |
| 10:51.03 | abrotman | stew: i woke up at 4AM :) |
| 10:51.05 | crm_ | parport0:Fifo is stuck |
| 10:51.09 | stew | abrotman: same here |
| 10:51.15 | crm_ | DMA write timed out |
| 10:51.20 | abrotman | stew: i figured it would be a good day to switch mail servers! :) |
| 10:51.37 | liable | that sounds like fun... |
| 10:51.41 | liable | not! |
| 10:51.55 | stew | abrotman: it might be a good day for several sarge->etch switches for me, if i can get other stuff done early enough |
| 10:52.09 | abrotman | liable: it's gone mostly well .. except that when sending mail via tomcat .. it doesn't use a FQDN .. and i haven't figured out if it's tomcat or exim |
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| 10:52.32 | liable | abrotman: oh, you just reminded me to fix my logwatch |
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| 10:53.56 | abrotman | liable: right .. that makes NO SENSE! |
| 10:54.12 | liable | abrotman: as is quite often the case... |
| 10:54.33 | liable | abrotman: etch upgrade broke logwatch. do i need to talk slower? :) |
| 10:54.41 | abrotman | and the other casualty is that the server refuses to communicate with the listserv |
| 10:54.49 | abrotman | liable: BAAAAH |
| 10:55.16 | liable | abrotman: stop yelling! |
| 10:55.27 | abrotman | ribbet |
| 10:55.46 | liable | shrooms for breakfast? |
| 10:55.56 | abrotman | eggs sound good :) |
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| 10:56.51 | abrotman | stew: don't you have a RP tonight ? |
| 10:57.39 | liable | not much of a fan of bum nuts |
| 10:57.41 | stew | !wtf rp |
| 10:57.42 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 10:57.47 | abrotman | release party :) |
| 10:57.49 | stew | abrotman: oh, no, sunday |
| 10:58.10 | abrotman | stew: also .. dpkg.v.o no workie |
| 10:58.35 | stew | oh wtf |
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| 10:58.49 | abrotman | stew: seems DB is down |
| 10:58.52 | RichiH | vorlon.org? |
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| 10:59.43 | Insolit | is there a way to cp to copy a file and keep its path to the location where it was copied? |
| 10:59.47 | abrotman | RichiH: it's stew's domain |
| 10:59.59 | stew | abrotman: heh, i guess don upgraded to etch, and now the dpkg dumps are mysql 5.0 |
| 11:00.08 | abrotman | stew: ah yes .. he did that the other night |
| 11:00.24 | RichiH | ah |
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| 11:01.18 | zenbum | Insolit: what do you mean by "keep its path"? |
| 11:01.31 | stew | my wife is going to be very resistant to mysql 4.1 -> 5.0, wish me luck |
| 11:01.41 | abrotman | stew: tell her you'll buy her sox tix! |
| 11:01.47 | wols_ | you have a wife that cares about mysql versions? |
| 11:01.50 | abrotman | trip to fenway! |
| 11:01.51 | stew | yes |
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| 11:02.11 | wols_ | she a grace hopper or something? |
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| 11:02.38 | xand | abrotman: isn't it like 5am there? |
| 11:02.42 | xand | erm. 7am |
| 11:03.19 | abrotman | xand: i woke up at 4am .. :) |
| 11:04.08 | Insolit | zenbum: imagine i copy a file from /bleh/blah/blih/hi.txt to /backup, and i wanted that file not to be copied to /backup, but to /backup/bleh/blah/blih/hi.txt |
| 11:04.09 | xoz | Insolit: explain |
| 11:04.25 | Insolit | do you understand me now? |
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| 11:04.40 | xoz | Insolit: rsync |
| 11:04.41 | pythonic | grace hopper? does she do cobol? |
| 11:05.00 | Insolit | xoz: nice! let me try it |
| 11:05.03 | Insolit | be right back |
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| 11:06.00 | xoz | Insolit: or cp -R |
| 11:06.15 | abrotman | xand: yes .. it's 7am now |
| 11:06.20 | SeanTater | dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 <-- is this bad and what can I do about it? |
| 11:06.21 | dpkg | that's too long, SeanTater |
| 11:06.25 | wols_ | pythonic: did |
| 11:06.59 | pythonic | wols_: stew's wife did cobol? |
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| 11:07.16 | xoz | SeanTater: pastebin the entire message |
| 11:07.18 | stew | abrotman: heh, "honey, i want to upgrade cory to etch", "does that mean mysql 5 is going to screw up our mysql passwords?", "abrotman said i should buy you fenway tickets", "ok" |
| 11:07.26 | Insolit | xoz: neither worked |
| 11:07.39 | Insolit | both copied the file to backup/hi.txt |
| 11:07.43 | aspWork | hi guys, could anybody give me some pointers/urls on how to install xgl under debian and xorg? i need it to get beryl running on my fglrx card |
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| 11:08.08 | wols_ | pythonic: that I dunno. bit grace did, not does |
| 11:08.11 | zenbum | insolit: mycp () { cp $1 $2/$1 } |
| 11:08.19 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 11:08.35 | holycow | anyone know how to regain control of your nick if you forgot your ident pass? |
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| 11:08.44 | abrotman | stew: sounds .. plausible :) |
| 11:09.00 | pythonic | now grace hopper does daisies |
| 11:09.08 | Insolit | zenbum: dunno how to use that |
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| 11:09.51 | eisen | zenbum: it will require the target folder to exist, doesn't it? |
| 11:09.52 | zenbum | Insolit: mycp /bleh/blah/blih/hi.txt /backup |
| 11:10.14 | Insolit | but where i declare that? |
| 11:10.19 | Insolit | that mycp |
| 11:10.32 | zenbum | in bash |
| 11:10.37 | xoz | Insolit: do rsync -a and use from the top of the tree... or cp -R --recursive copy |
| 11:10.45 | Insolit | forget it zenbum how dumb! :D |
| 11:10.48 | zenbum | or just have a shell script that does what you want |
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| 11:11.14 | stew | zenbum: that would work in zsh, but not in bash without a ; at the end |
| 11:11.21 | zenbum | *puzzlement* |
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| 11:11.32 | pythonic | mysql sucks |
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| 11:12.07 | abrotman | you know .. the postfix man pages could use some examples |
| 11:12.16 | stew | zenbum: in bash, it would be: mycp () { cp $1 $2/$1; } |
| 11:12.20 | pythonic | postfix sucks |
| 11:12.27 | byon | bye. |
| 11:12.30 | byon | yes postfix sucks. |
| 11:12.36 | zenbum | stew: yeah... details details |
| 11:12.36 | fireba11 | lol |
| 11:12.44 | fireba11 | flamewar-friday ? |
| 11:12.45 | buggy_ | if [ -sucks $mysql ] ;then do `who $blows`; done |
| 11:13.18 | Balu | I'm experiencing a lot of crashes with clamav-daemon from volatile lately. Anyone else? |
| 11:13.46 | pythonic | clamav sucks |
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| 11:14.06 | Balu | pythonic: sure, but anyway? :) |
| 11:14.15 | stew | pythonic: enough |
| 11:14.29 | pythonic | enough sucks :-) |
| 11:14.50 | Balu | pythonic: pythonic |
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| 11:15.02 | pythonic | pythonic rules |
| 11:15.19 | Balu | =) |
| 11:15.22 | pythonic | sorry... rulez |
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| 11:16.08 | aspWork | anybody know where i can find the xserver-xgl package, or anything like it? |
| 11:16.23 | lewis | why on earth would apache say the following: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 33 bytes) |
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| 11:16.48 | abrotman | you used all the memory? |
| 11:16.56 | abrotman | lewis: it was a PHP script most likely |
| 11:17.04 | aspWork | 8mb is default |
| 11:17.17 | lewis | it was indeed a PHP script, but it said it tried to allocate 33 bytes out of 8mb, didn't it? |
| 11:17.25 | Balu | lewis: no - 33 bytes more |
| 11:17.29 | Insolit | can't make any of the solutions you gave me work |
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| 11:17.38 | pythonic | http://www.google.com/search?q=Allowed+memory+size+of+8388608+bytes+exhausted&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 11:17.40 | lewis | ergh |
| 11:17.41 | sai | woo, anybody use tcc compiler under SID, it complains too much !! |
| 11:17.53 | Balu | lewis: it hit's the limit and then tries to allocate more |
| 11:18.04 | pythonic | sai: tcc, the titchy c compiler? |
| 11:18.09 | Insolit | xoz: i must select a specific file so i don't understand how cp -R is supposed to work |
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| 11:18.22 | sai | yes |
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| 11:19.07 | Insolit | xoz: cp -R would work with something like cp -R /teste /backup |
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| 11:19.53 | pythonic | Insolit: you backup your teste? |
| 11:19.58 | xoz | Insolit: yeah, wont work |
| 11:20.09 | zenbum | Insolit: I still haven't figured out exactly what you want to do.... good luck :) |
| 11:20.11 | Balu | xoz: what's the problem? |
| 11:20.26 | Insolit | i'll try to explain myself once again |
| 11:20.47 | xoz | Balu: he wants to cp files including its subdir location |
| 11:20.59 | Insolit | yes xoz |
| 11:21.06 | xoz | Balu: filtered backup |
| 11:21.13 | pythonic | use tar |
| 11:21.15 | Insolit | i wanted to do that without doing another script :| |
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| 11:21.35 | Insolit | pythonic: yeah tar would work but i was wondering if cp could not do it |
| 11:21.56 | sai | i love its speed, but today it doesn't work well after upgrade |
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| 11:22.08 | Balu | rsync and --exclude or/and --include or only --files ? |
| 11:22.19 | pythonic | you want to cp foo/bar baz and have it create baz/foo/bar? |
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| 11:22.42 | Insolit | pythonic: exactly |
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| 11:23.03 | pythonic | why not mkdir baz/foo ; cp foo/bar baz/foo |
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| 11:23.11 | pythonic | *cp -r |
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| 11:23.26 | Insolit | pythonic: too much trouble :P |
| 11:23.33 | xoz | Insolit: i guess rsync is the one |
| 11:23.45 | Insolit | rsync is doing the same as cp |
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| 11:25.04 | Balu | Insolit: cp --parents A/B/C/file BAK |
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| 11:26.04 | xoz | --parents? huh, is that standard cp command? |
| 11:26.22 | falap | I got GRUB+Debian working when I updated my BIOS. the motherboard is Asus P5b Deluxe/WiFi-AP. |
| 11:26.25 | Balu | xoz: at least in my "man cp" it is |
| 11:26.50 | Balu | xoz: --parents append source path to DIRECTORY |
| 11:27.05 | xoz | Balu: what i mean is using long name options seem not unixy |
| 11:27.26 | falap | most likely the problem was Jmicron controller having too old BIOS version. |
| 11:27.50 | Balu | xoz: -p already is used for something else :) |
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| 11:28.06 | Insolit | Balu: let me check that |
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| 11:28.13 | Insolit | i just read all cp and did not see that |
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| 11:29.10 | xoz | Balu: that's the one |
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| 11:29.27 | Insolit | thanks Balu :D |
| 11:29.31 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 11:29.33 | Insolit | and thank you all as well |
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| 11:30.43 | SnarceZ | i'm on skype and i've problems with the output: i can hear the microphone but the people i phone to don't hear me... |
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| 11:31.59 | sep | SnarceZ, adjust the volume on your mic line ? |
| 11:32.13 | SnarceZ | it works |
| 11:32.27 | SnarceZ | i can hear the microphone |
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| 11:33.18 | n000b | hi all |
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| 11:33.31 | SnarceZ | but it doesn't send it |
| 11:33.40 | n000b | where can i find a good tutorial on setting up wireless? |
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| 11:33.56 | xoz | n000b: google |
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| 11:34.08 | Balu | Insolit, xoz: I remembered -p from "mkdir" that allows something like mkdir -p A/B/C - and that this stands for "--parents", so I just searched for parent ;) |
| 11:34.29 | stew | n000b: is your card working and you need to configure it, or do you need help getting your card working? |
| 11:35.02 | xoz | Balu: yep. i was thinking along that line in mkdir. a combo of mkdir and cp but not elegant. |
| 11:35.03 | Balu | So no one here is using a mid volume mailserver + clamav-daemon which keeps crashing? :-S |
| 11:35.14 | n000b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.49 | stew | n000b: read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian and man 7 wireless and man interfaces |
| 11:37.10 | n000b | stew: thanks, i did rtfm |
| 11:37.41 | Gambaroni | When I try to connect to my TFTP with PXE the log says: cannot bind to local socket: Permission denied. Why? |
| 11:37.49 | schoppenhauer | Hello. I am currently trying to install foo2zjs to get my HP LaserJet 1018 work. I got it work under debian etch using the configure && make && make install-Method from http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1018, but since there is meanwhile a Package for it (before, the debian-package was said not to work) i want to use this package. Now, in the Firmware-Directory, there is no firmware. And I dont know how ... |
| 11:37.55 | schoppenhauer | ... one can Configure the Hotplug-Script which this Driver has. I want to use the Package Management if possible... |
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| 11:39.29 | bzed | schoppenhauer: I don't know about the package, but installing the package and readin the docs in /usr/share/doc/foo2zjs should help you |
| 11:39.38 | xoz | schoppenhauer: read the README. i think it will tell you where to pull the firmware. it did not include it maybe because of restrictions. |
| 11:40.26 | abrotman | stew: i know how you can get the tix .. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120105980796 |
| 11:41.16 | bzed | schoppenhauer: the last time somebody asked for this driver here the result was that the original driver from the homepage did not work at all, although they have a big warnign up there, that debian's driver is broken and blahblahblah. the debian package worked well. not sure what you have to do after installing the package, though. |
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| 11:42.06 | schoppenhauer | ok. thanks. i should have read the "INSTALL"-File (i didnt know that i have to do this after installing with the package management ;-) ) |
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| 11:42.19 | stew | abrotman: heh |
| 11:42.57 | stew | schoppenhauer: which package? you should never have to read an INSTALL file, if so, the relevent info should have been moved to README.Debian |
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| 11:44.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:44.39 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 11:44.43 | schoppenhauer | stew: foo2zjs |
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| 11:45.14 | schoppenhauer | This Package is absolutely *dumb*. It is worthless without the firmware. Why didnt they at least give an introduction for the firmware? |
| 11:45.40 | stew | schoppenhauer: did you have to do stuff in the INSTALL* files not contained in the README.Debian? |
| 11:45.42 | liable | wouldnt the firmware be somewhere in the windows driver? |
| 11:45.55 | schoppenhauer | stew: README.Debian |
| 11:46.04 | stew | schoppenhauer: oh, that is normal then |
| 11:46.05 | schoppenhauer | stew: it was the wrong directory i read. |
| 11:46.14 | stew | schoppenhauer: would you rather that debian didn't provide this software at all? (becuase that is the other alternative) |
| 11:46.25 | schoppenhauer | stew: yes. but there is no instruction where to get the firmware from. |
| 11:46.39 | liable | que rant.. |
| 11:47.02 | schoppenhauer | stew: at least than there wouldnt be an incomplete package. as i said: this package ist completely worthless, the printers wont work without their firmware. |
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| 11:47.21 | stew | schoppenhauer: then please file a wishlist bug against the package requesting that the needed info be added to README.Debian (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
| 11:47.31 | jelly-home | schoppenhauer: a lot of drivers in Linux require firmware which Debian cannot distribute |
| 11:47.41 | stew | schoppenhauer: then you should run "aptitutde purge foo2zjs" which will remove it entirely from your system |
| 11:47.59 | schoppenhauer | jelly-home: but most of them give at least instructions where to get them |
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| 11:48.16 | stew | schoppenhauer: please help us by filing a bug to get those instructions included in the future |
| 11:48.26 | jelly-home | schoppenhauer: yes. File a bug report. |
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| 11:49.28 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: did you run getweb? |
| 11:49.37 | schoppenhauer | stew: thanks. i will file a bug report. but still my problem: i dont want to use the source package... maybe it was corrupted while downloading (it is not signed), and may do... things... and i want to keep my system clean... and "checkinstall" wont work here, i think |
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| 11:50.16 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: getweb? getweb is not in the debian-package, at least i dont know, where. getweb is only in the foo2zjs-source-tarball |
| 11:50.19 | stew | schoppenhauer: what do you mean by the "source package"? |
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| 11:50.30 | xoz | schoppenhauer: there should be a script file to automatically download that package. |
| 11:50.33 | schoppenhauer | stew: the source tarball |
| 11:50.50 | quitte_ | dpkg find /usr/bin/getweb |
| 11:51.01 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: ah. thanks. |
| 11:51.11 | stew | schoppenhauer: sounds like you are out of luck then |
| 11:51.33 | schoppenhauer | i know this script from installing with configure-make-make install... but i didnt know that it is also provided there. |
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| 11:51.59 | schoppenhauer | stew: should i anyway write a "bugreport" that it would be good if this was written to that Readme-File? |
| 11:52.05 | quitte_ | yes. please file a bugreport. i was too lazy |
| 11:52.49 | jifix | can i make qmail to listen to only two specific ips? |
| 11:52.58 | stew | schoppenhauer: yes. i think that others will find this package to be of some worth, even if you think this package is completely worthless, even more so if all of the needed instructions are in the README.Debian |
| 11:53.00 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: you dont happen to know also if there is a possibility to automatically generate that hotplug-script? ;-) |
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| 11:56.19 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: in my case (laserjet1000) it just worked |
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| 11:58.17 | HD|Laptop | hi |
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| 11:58.41 | HD|Laptop | can anyone recommend me a WLAN configurator helper for XFCE desktop? |
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| 11:58.59 | quitte_ | iwconfig |
| 11:58.59 | Pobega | HD|Laptop: Do you mean a network selector? |
| 11:59.05 | liable | network-manager? its gtk |
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| 11:59.11 | Pobega | HD|Laptop: If you want something to select networks just use network-manager-gnome |
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| 11:59.21 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: ok. for me it doesnt work anyway. |
| 11:59.25 | HD|Laptop | Pobega, something where I can see what wlan's are available.. |
| 11:59.35 | earthian_ | how to make bind9 listen on any IP? |
| 11:59.37 | liable | iwlist scan |
| 11:59.38 | earthian_ | any host etc |
| 11:59.46 | rvalles | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 11:59.55 | earthian_ | what do i write to named.conf.local? |
| 12:00.01 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: did you check if dmesg has some usable output when you plug the printer in? |
| 12:00.03 | earthian_ | or is that ...options ? |
| 12:00.03 | rvalles | how come? |
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| 12:00.08 | abrotman | rvalles: debian-archive-keyring needs to be installed |
| 12:00.16 | Pobega | HD|Laptop: Yeah, network-manager-gnome, and run it with nm-applet |
| 12:00.35 | HD|Laptop | ok |
| 12:00.39 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: yep. it is only a problem with the firmware. |
| 12:00.59 | rvalles | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 12:01.11 | rvalles | abrotman: bad sig, not missing public key. |
| 12:01.13 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: i see if firmware is uploaded to my printer... and it isnt... even using the cat-Method from the driver's page doenst work. i have an .img-file instead of an .dl-file... |
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| 12:01.20 | abrotman | rvalles: try another mirror ? |
| 12:01.23 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: i do recall it being a pita. i think i even had to rename the firmware files after getweb |
| 12:01.23 | Pobega | HD|Laptop: You may need the gnome-keyring running in the background. There is a thread about it on the Ubuntu forums, I'd do a search there. |
| 12:01.36 | rvalles | abrotman: more like... has this one been owned? |
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| 12:01.47 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: what? |
| 12:02.24 | quitte_ | !pita |
| 12:02.24 | dpkg | methinks pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 12:02.49 | schoppenhauer | ? |
| 12:04.32 | abrotman | rvalles: bad sync ? |
| 12:04.56 | schoppenhauer | ok. what can i do to at least build a small package from source. i only want to be able to let the package management cleanly remove all files if i dont need them anymore. |
| 12:05.06 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: those printers are insanely dumb. catting some text to the lp device does not work. its well possible that the firmware upload actually worked |
| 12:05.33 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: i cannot print - this is proof enough for me that something /didnt/ work. |
| 12:05.45 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: the debian pacage can be made working. and iirc the only thing necessary was putting the firmware files in the right location with the right name |
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| 12:07.06 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: ok. but where can i find that instructions? with the foo2zjs-tarball (which i dont want to use) i only had to do "make install-hotplug"... |
| 12:07.23 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: you already did that? |
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| 12:08.11 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: did what? |
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| 12:08.47 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: i had it installed... but i completely reinstalled debian... and now, i want to use only packages as far as this will work, to keep my system clean. |
| 12:10.24 | schoppenhauer | is there an easy possibility (besides checkinstall, which wont work) to at least build my own quick-and-dirty-package? |
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| 12:10.25 | rvalles | abrotman: how can a sync go bad? |
| 12:10.42 | rvalles | abrotman: no atomicity at all in debian mirror sync procedures? |
| 12:10.46 | abrotman | rvalles: just try another mirror |
| 12:10.50 | abrotman | rvalles: what if it has a bad disc ? |
| 12:10.51 | rvalles | abrotman: a file can get half-modified? Quite bad. |
| 12:10.54 | rvalles | :/ |
| 12:11.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:11.05 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
| 12:11.23 | rvalles | abrotman: I assume they're at least served with RAIDs for reliability. |
| 12:11.53 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: how about using the debian package instead and getting it to work? |
| 12:12.24 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: ok. but i dont know, how. |
| 12:12.27 | abrotman | rvalles: i'm sure .. |
| 12:12.33 | abrotman | rvalles: or rather .. i'd hope :) |
| 12:12.53 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: did you put the firmware to /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/? |
| 12:12.59 | HD|Laptop | cu |
| 12:13.05 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: yes. i already "renamed" it. |
| 12:13.25 | quitte_ | ok. and unplugging and plugging back in does what? |
| 12:13.31 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: no. |
| 12:13.54 | liable | !no |
| 12:13.55 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 12:14.39 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: the firmware ISNT loaded into the printer. i would see this. even unplugging doesnt work. CUPS recognises the printer... but no firmware is uploaded. |
| 12:15.38 | quitte_ | what printer isit? |
| 12:15.47 | Fuwex | Shouldn't the default configuration of fail2ban ban an SSH user failing to authenticate? No matter how many times I fail to authenticate I don't get banned - and I'd like it to ban me as a measure vs. brute force attacks |
| 12:15.52 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: HP LaserJet 1018 |
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| 12:16.26 | stew | Fuwex: the default configuration bans on the 3rd failure |
| 12:17.00 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: and the firmware file name ish sihp1018.dl? |
| 12:17.09 | Fuwex | one failure is one session of SSH or one password attempt, stew? |
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| 12:17.33 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: i renamed it. before, it was *.dl |
| 12:17.38 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: erm... *.img |
| 12:17.44 | Fuwex | I seem to be able to do it as many times as I'd like stew :S Fail I mean |
| 12:17.46 | stew | Fuwex: i think session. whatever causes the 3rd failure to be logged in auth.log |
| 12:18.00 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: i didn't ask for *.dl. i asked a very pecific question. |
| 12:18.24 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: case _does_ matter |
| 12:18.35 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: the name of it is sihp1018.dl, it is in /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware. |
| 12:18.39 | stew | Fuwex: i haven't looked at very recent versions though. check /usr/share/doc/fail2ban and http://bugs.debian.org/fail2ban |
| 12:18.53 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: since i renamed it and put it there |
| 12:18.56 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: and how exactly do you know the firmware wasn'T loaded? |
| 12:19.10 | Fuwex | stew: hmm, it seems to have banned me now though - after about 18 password attempts (3 sessions) |
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| 12:19.49 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: 1. the printer doesnt work though recognized by CUPS. 2. Whenever i uploaded the firmware before, the Lights of this Printer were blinking - this was not the case now. |
| 12:20.00 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: what does running /usr/bin/hplj1018 do? |
| 12:20.02 | stew | i'm going to meet fail2ban's author at an etch release party on sunday! :) |
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| 12:20.27 | liable | oh, you guys are actually having a real party, like, in person? |
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| 12:20.52 | tarzeau | liable: sure |
| 12:21.03 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: nothing. |
| 12:21.33 | Fuwex | that's cool stew =P |
| 12:21.41 | mokchin | tarzeau, hey what's up ? |
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| 12:22.08 | mokchin | !ping itchi |
| 12:22.25 | mokchin | itchi, how's your packaging going ? |
| 12:22.44 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: nothing is done. |
| 12:23.03 | tarzeau | mokchin: not much, what about you? trying to get the yap sources |
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| 12:23.40 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: ok. here it says firmware already loaded to /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 12:23.45 | mokchin | tarzeau, alright I guess. just enjoying some fine barista here. ;) |
| 12:24.02 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: but if i do the same for a printer i dont actually have it doesn'T do anything |
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| 12:24.24 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: so are you 100% sure it is a 1018. ordid you read somewhere itis compatible? |
| 12:24.32 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: ah. on the other terminal... something like "/usr/bin/hplj1018: ... download successful" is stated. but it is always stated... and nothing is done. |
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| 12:24.53 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: ok. so the download most likely was successful |
| 12:25.13 | sigp239 | I installed Debian 4.0 on my PC with an Nvidia 8800 GTX video card and a 20" widescreen monitor. How do I get my resolution into 1680x1050? |
| 12:25.17 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: i installed foo2zjs from source before... with instructions from 1018... on the printer you can read "1018"... i think, i can be very sure. |
| 12:25.19 | quitte_ | schoppenhauer: do you have foomatic-db-engine installed? |
| 12:25.25 | tarzeau | sigp239: edit xorg.conf ? |
| 12:25.37 | tarzeau | sigp239: the one in /etc/X11/ |
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| 12:25.59 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: no. it isnt. before there was /always/ a special blinking when downloading the firmware. |
| 12:26.12 | sigp239 | tarzeau: Yes 1680x1050 is in there already, but it does not show as an option in "Screen Resolution" app |
| 12:26.19 | quitte_ | ok. you know better i give up and enjoy the sun |
| 12:26.26 | tarzeau | sigp239: you mean xvidtune ? |
| 12:26.42 | schoppenhauer | quitte_: yes. foomatic-db-engine is installed. |
| 12:26.51 | sigp239 | no, I mean Desktop --> Preferences --> Screen Resolution |
| 12:26.56 | tarzeau | sigp239: what says /var/log/Xorg.0.log about the resolution? |
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| 12:27.06 | tarzeau | sigp239: please try xvidtune |
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| 12:27.46 | sigp239 | tarzeau: Also for some reason it wants to use 'vesa' driver. I tried using 'nv' driver but X failed to launch in that case. |
| 12:27.47 | schoppenhauer | it is /very/ smart to create a package that doesnt work or at least needs many hours of configuring from a source tarball which is installed in 10 Minutes and then works correctly... |
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| 12:28.12 | schoppenhauer | i dont want to use this dumb package anymore. how can I build my own? i only want to be able to remove all files if i want. |
| 12:28.25 | tarzeau | sigp239: too new nvidia card, try using the nvidia binary driver |
| 12:28.31 | tarzeau | sigp239: www.nvidia.com and #nvidia |
| 12:28.46 | sigp239 | tarzeau: xvidtune = Video are not settable on this chip |
| 12:28.51 | schoppenhauer | (the README sais that they removed some binaries to get it into debian main... but this driver is useless without firmware and binaries - so it should at least be in contrib) |
| 12:29.03 | tarzeau | sigp239: yeah vesa is a very bad driver for your graphics card |
| 12:29.05 | sigp239 | tarzeau: I don't want to install proprietary closed source on this system. |
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| 12:29.13 | tarzeau | sigp239: since nv doesn't work, you don't have a choice |
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| 12:29.25 | sigp239 | tarzeau: hrm :( |
| 12:29.31 | tarzeau | sigp239: then i'm sorry, the vesa driver won't go as high as a resolution as you want |
| 12:29.32 | rvalles | 14:12:14 < abrotman> rvalles: or rather .. i'd hope :) |
| 12:29.44 | rvalles | abrotman: me too, there's why I asked at all about that bad sum. |
| 12:29.45 | tarzeau | sigp239: and it doesn't support screen blanking (at least not in that x version i have) |
| 12:29.47 | sigp239 | tarzeau: where is 'nv' project info? |
| 12:29.51 | rvalles | *sig |
| 12:29.54 | tarzeau | sigp239: www.x.org |
| 12:30.02 | rvalles | :) |
| 12:30.08 | tarzeau | sigp239: you might check the nouveau driver stuff, but i think it's far from usable |
| 12:30.12 | sigp239 | tarzeau: will stable ever get updates from them? |
| 12:30.13 | abrotman | rvalles: did you try another morrir ? |
| 12:30.16 | abrotman | mirror :) |
| 12:30.17 | schoppenhauer | i dont have no time for this. thanks to all who tried to help me. but its getting on my nerves. better no package than such a dumb useless waste of disk-space. |
| 12:30.17 | tarzeau | sigp239: no |
| 12:30.22 | tarzeau | sigp239: but sid will :) |
| 12:30.26 | sigp239 | tarzeau: so I'm doomed |
| 12:30.38 | tarzeau | sigp239: no, you can just use the proprietary driver |
| 12:30.40 | sigp239 | nv will never get update for my video card until next release |
| 12:30.46 | tarzeau | sigp239: i've got an automatic init.d script for it, if you want |
| 12:30.51 | tarzeau | sigp239: exactly |
| 12:30.56 | sigp239 | crapola |
| 12:31.00 | schoppenhauer | bye |
| 12:31.08 | tarzeau | sigp239: it's an nvidia problem |
| 12:31.12 | sigp239 | i really really don't want to put non-free stuff on here |
| 12:31.29 | tarzeau | sigp239: i really really can understand you, but without it you can't play brutalchess |
| 12:31.34 | tarzeau | or bloboats |
| 12:31.35 | sigp239 | lol |
| 12:31.54 | sigp239 | alright i'll sort out this proprietary nvidia driver mess later on |
| 12:31.59 | sigp239 | thanks for the help |
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| 12:33.27 | GhostlyDeath | I need to hack a program |
| 12:33.33 | GhostlyDeath | so something isn't executed |
| 12:33.34 | earthian_ | can somebody help me degnose if these http://www.pastebin.ca/438034 errors are caused by the kernel or by the hardware? I have Tyan S2895 mainboard LSPCI shows nvidia ck804 chipset |
| 12:35.18 | tarzeau | GhostlyDeath: which? |
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| 12:38.35 | GhostlyDeath | tarzeau: gnome-power-manager is shutting down my computer for no reason |
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| 12:40.28 | GhostlyDeath | I'm watching a DVD and the next thing I see is "Saving image" in a tty |
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| 12:40.30 | GhostlyDeath | It's fails it |
| 12:40.30 | Fuwex | Does fail2ban ban by DROP? (iptables) |
| 12:40.35 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to make it so it doesn't turn off for any reason? |
| 12:40.48 | GhostlyDeath | except hibernated at critical battery? |
| 12:41.03 | stew | Fuwex: grep fwban /etc/fail2ban.conf |
| 12:41.21 | tarzeau | GhostlyDeath: bad gnome-power-manager |
| 12:41.40 | GhostlyDeath | makes me want to switch to KDE.... |
| 12:41.54 | tarzeau | GhostlyDeath: or launch nethack and murder some gnomes? |
| 12:42.27 | Fuwex | stew, well, action.d/iptables.conf, but yeah, it says DROP :9 |
| 12:42.29 | GhostlyDeath | maybe I could make a doom mod where you murder gnomes |
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| 12:42.42 | hermuli | has anyone here used the sip-tester? i'm getting an annoying error trying to run my xml with it: "illegal exec line" |
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| 12:44.13 | Fuwex | I suppose I should use bind9 and not bind ? |
| 12:44.44 | abrotman | rvalles: any lluck ? |
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| 12:48.48 | rvalles | abrotman: I'll just wait till tomorrow |
| 12:49.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:49.05 | rvalles | abrotman: It's a machine at home and I'm at work after all. |
| 12:49.06 | rvalles | x) |
| 12:49.31 | liable | no ssh? |
| 12:49.38 | abrotman | ok |
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| 12:57.45 | Thms_ | can someone paste his sources.list of debin 4.0 stable please ? |
| 12:57.46 | illuminatux | Just installed Etch but can't get an ssh connection up. Firewall probably. Tried some policies with Firestarter, but no success. Any ideas? |
| 12:58.28 | liable | illuminatux: yes, remove firestarter |
| 12:58.46 | liable | or at least stop it and clear your rules |
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| 12:59.24 | stew | Thms_: deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian etch main \n deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main ; substitude your country code for XX like us or uk or nl... |
| 12:59.38 | illuminatux | ok. I tried that. When I had a clean install, without Firestarter, it also didn work |
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| 13:00.04 | namit | Hey i found some thing online of getting server into single user mode but no joy anyone help me? |
| 13:00.11 | liable | illuminatux: your positive sshd is running on the server? |
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| 13:00.27 | illuminatux | yep. Locally i can log in |
| 13:00.32 | liable | namit: append single to your kernel line |
| 13:00.50 | liable | illuminatux: and sshd is litening on all ifaces? |
| 13:00.53 | namit | na tried that it just comes up wiht login |
| 13:01.03 | illuminatux | yepz |
| 13:01.06 | liable | namit: init=/bin/sh |
| 13:01.12 | liable | append that |
| 13:01.36 | liable | illuminatux: can you ping it? |
| 13:01.47 | illuminatux | yep again |
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| 13:02.00 | liable | illuminatux: you said you removed firestarter, but were your rules cleared? |
| 13:02.08 | Thms_ | thaanks stew |
| 13:02.15 | ktwilight_ | modified sshd_config? |
| 13:02.19 | illuminatux | yes. first cleared rules, then removed |
| 13:02.53 | illuminatux | and no, i didn't do anything to the config |
| 13:02.55 | liable | illuminatux: you checked they were clear after removal? |
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| 13:03.20 | ktwilight_ | try AllowUsers <insert username> |
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| 13:03.37 | ktwilight_ | last time i tried to ssh into my unmodified sshd_config, it didn't work at all |
| 13:03.38 | illuminatux | you mean in iptables? |
| 13:03.40 | ktwilight_ | had to do something |
| 13:03.42 | ktwilight_ | no, in your sshd_config |
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| 13:04.25 | illuminatux | so, what did you modify to get it up? |
| 13:04.35 | ktwilight_ | think it was AllowUsers |
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| 13:06.17 | illuminatux | right.......shame on me |
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| 13:06.23 | rgsteele | Happy Friday folks. |
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| 13:06.25 | illuminatux | thanks! |
| 13:06.28 | ktwilight_ | works? |
| 13:06.31 | illuminatux | yepz |
| 13:06.36 | ktwilight_ | awesome |
| 13:06.45 | stew | rgsteele: the 13th even! |
| 13:07.11 | illuminatux | spent half the f... day crawling at my firewall |
| 13:07.13 | rgsteele | stew: Ah, didn't even realize. Hopefully that doesn't mean catastrophic server failures are going to ensue :) |
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| 13:07.17 | liable | interesting, i have never put an allowusers line in a sshd config |
| 13:07.25 | ktwilight_ | illuminatux, heh happened to me, don't sweat ;) |
| 13:07.26 | breadstick | bah its the 13th?! no wonder my laptop is borked |
| 13:07.42 | rgsteele | breadstick: I blame the hippies. |
| 13:07.55 | crm_ | lol |
| 13:07.57 | Thms_ | how can I know if my network card is correctly plugged/installer |
| 13:07.58 | cydork | breadstick: i blame satan! |
| 13:08.00 | Thms_ | installed |
| 13:08.03 | illuminatux | no, that's my point. It usually works out of the box |
| 13:08.04 | ktwilight_ | interesting indeed. i had a plesk debian machine and it didn't require allowusers |
| 13:08.06 | breadstick | rgsteele: i dunno, it started with a bad upgrade and "just isnt right" yet |
| 13:08.08 | ktwilight_ | 'xactly |
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| 13:08.18 | rgsteele | breadstick: Sarge -> Etch? |
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| 13:09.23 | Thms_ | how can I know if my network card is correctly plugged/installed ? |
| 13:09.23 | illuminatux | But on the other hand, Etch is a bit more secure out of the box than other distros, i've noticed |
| 13:09.26 | undesktop | what's the kernel package for non-smp kernels? |
| 13:09.41 | breadstick | rgsteele: not exactly, mostly its KDE (but i did go to 2.6.18-4 since -3 was giving me fits with the ATI card) |
| 13:09.49 | stew | undesktop: for what version of debian? and what cpu? |
| 13:10.03 | undesktop | stew: x86, unstable |
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| 13:10.14 | denken | undesktop: there isnt one anymore afaik |
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| 13:10.22 | Hal9000 | what is /dev/.static/ ? |
| 13:10.24 | undesktop | d'oh |
| 13:10.33 | stew | undesktop: i think only the -486 kernels are non-smp, if they are smp, then they are all -smp. |
| 13:10.39 | Thms_ | stew: how can I install my network card please |
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| 13:10.41 | stew | undesktop: is there a reason you DON'T want an smp kernel? |
| 13:10.47 | Hal9000 | rkhunter complains about /dev/.static and i dunno how to remove it |
| 13:10.47 | stew | Thms_: what card? |
| 13:10.48 | denken | undesktop: its not really a problem anyway |
| 13:10.53 | undesktop | stew: I just bought this stupid wlan hardware and the (at least GPLed) driver doesn't support SMP |
| 13:10.56 | stew | Hal9000: you don't want to remove it |
| 13:11.02 | undesktop | "rt2570sw.h:#error Sorry, this nice piece of code was not designed with SMP in mind." |
| 13:11.09 | stew | heh |
| 13:11.12 | Thms_ | stew network card for ethernet, ERAZOR III |
| 13:11.20 | denken | haha |
| 13:11.21 | undesktop | and yes, I bought it with Linux compatibility in mind |
| 13:11.26 | Hal9000 | stew: how come one machine of mine has it and the other not. |
| 13:11.35 | stew | Thms_: what does "lspci -n | 'awk /0200/{print $3}' " return? |
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| 13:11.47 | abrotman | Hal9000: did they both start with devfs ? |
| 13:11.48 | stew | Hal9000: becuase one machine runs udev and the other doesn't |
| 13:11.54 | stew | Hal9000: err, devfs, yeah |
| 13:12.21 | Hal9000 | uh... how can i tell? |
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| 13:12.47 | undesktop | uh strange code "#define NdisReleaseSpinLock(lock)" |
| 13:13.11 | Thms_ | stew: lspci is not found oo |
| 13:13.28 | stew | Thms_: install pciutils ; then try again |
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| 13:13.50 | illuminatux | Can only be run as su |
| 13:13.52 | Thms_ | stew yes but I removed the lines for cd in sources.list |
| 13:14.15 | Thms_ | stew: wait |
| 13:14.21 | undesktop | anyway |
| 13:14.34 | undesktop | trying the SMC hardware now... hope the partial GPLed driver is more sane |
| 13:14.37 | Hal9000 | stew, abrotman: locate tells me the machine with .static has udev+devfs, the other doesnt... so what is that good for... if rkhunter complains about it, i want to remove it |
| 13:15.46 | stew | Hal9000: they are two schemes for dynamically maintaining your /dev/ directory. devfs is the older and now deprecated one |
| 13:15.50 | stew | Hal9000: do you run gnome? |
| 13:15.59 | abrotman | cause you should :) |
| 13:16.00 | Hal9000 | no, i dont run x at all |
| 13:16.01 | stew | Hal9000: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:16.05 | Hal9000 | its just a standalone server |
| 13:16.33 | Hal9000 | 2.6.19.7-grsec / 2.6.19.2-grsec (i compiled those) |
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| 13:16.53 | stew | Hal9000: then you aren't running devfs, it was removed starting in 2.6.13 |
| 13:16.59 | stew | Hal9000: are those initrd kernels? |
| 13:17.03 | Hal9000 | no |
| 13:17.05 | Hal9000 | no initrd |
| 13:17.07 | Hal9000 | no modules |
| 13:17.17 | stew | Hal9000: you can try removing the udev package then |
| 13:17.23 | Hal9000 | okay |
| 13:17.29 | stew | Hal9000: wait |
| 13:17.32 | abrotman | wouldn't he want udev to make the devices ? |
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| 13:17.47 | stew | abrotman: probably |
| 13:18.02 | stew | Hal9000: do you have any hardware that requires firmware to be loaded? |
| 13:18.17 | stew | Hal9000: what version of udev is currently installed? |
| 13:18.19 | Hal9000 | i dont think so... just nvidia sata controller and nvidia ethernet |
| 13:18.34 | Hal9000 | ii udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon |
| 13:18.44 | stew | Hal9000: that udev is non-functional with 2.6.19 anyway |
| 13:18.57 | Hal9000 | ok so ill purge it and see what happens :P |
| 13:18.58 | undesktop | non-functional? wth |
| 13:19.03 | undesktop | did they fuzzle it? |
| 13:19.14 | bzed | undesktop: you need a more recent udev version since 2.6.15 |
| 13:19.21 | stew | undesktop: it doesn't work with 2.6.15 or later, for that you need a newer udev |
| 13:19.37 | undesktop | bzed: oh ok, that... thought they breaked it again |
| 13:19.39 | stew | undesktop: the sysfs interface is a moving target (remember 2.6 is a development kenrel series now) |
| 13:20.12 | Hal9000 | my other machine is running fine without udev, no idea how it does the /dev stuff but it works fine :P |
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| 13:20.52 | stew | Hal9000: if its < 2.6.13 it could be devfs, or else its the old way where /dev is static and contains lots of device files that don't actually exist on the system |
| 13:22.05 | stew | Hal9000: but what you are really seeing is that your rkhunter is old, and doesn't yet know about /dev/.static (which would be on any new debian stable machine by default) |
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| 13:23.19 | Hal9000 | oh ok |
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| 13:23.56 | Hal9000 | i still got sarge... have to wait for an upgrade until some software i use will be compatible :( |
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| 13:24.04 | Hal9000 | but good to know i dont have a problem then :P |
| 13:24.20 | liable | Hal9000: have you got a very old testing/unstable box? |
| 13:24.29 | liable | rkhunter wasnt in sarge |
| 13:24.58 | Hal9000 | liable: no, its sarge, but the hosting control panel i use (plesk) probably installed rkhunter on its own then |
| 13:25.17 | liable | oh, a hosted box |
| 13:25.20 | stew | !test |
| 13:25.20 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 13:25.27 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 13:25.31 | Hal9000 | root boxes yes |
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| 13:29.39 | JBond2 | i am installing vmware 5.5.3 tools on Etch clean installation, it says: "/usr/src/linux/include" is a kernel header file directory, but it is not part of kernel source tree. |
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| 13:30.48 | JBond2 | I do search google but no solution found for this type of issue. |
| 13:30.49 | compDo | When upgrading from Sarget to Etch with aptitude, I get the error:Removing mozilla-locale-de-at... /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-locale-de-at.postrm: line 7: update-mozilla-chrome: command not found dpkg: error processing mozilla-locale-de-at (--remove) |
| 13:30.57 | compDo | How can I fix it? |
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| 13:33.23 | liable | how do ignore joins/parts for user? (please dont make me go to irrsi.org:) |
| 13:34.01 | stew | liable: no need to go to irssi.org, just /help ignore :) |
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| 13:34.20 | xand | liable: for Bhaal? :P |
| 13:34.25 | liable | xand: ya |
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| 13:34.37 | xand | yeah, that is annoying |
| 13:34.46 | stew | liable: /ignore Bhaal PARTS JOINS QUITS |
| 13:34.54 | liable | i have never really used ignore much, but his joins/parts are annoying me :) |
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| 13:35.05 | liable | stew: thanks |
| 13:35.14 | Tenkawa | semi confused, odd question |
| 13:35.15 | xand | I think I shall do the same |
| 13:35.21 | Tenkawa | what replaced base-config in etch? |
| 13:35.25 | stew | Tenkawa: nothing |
| 13:35.32 | Tenkawa | hrmm... |
| 13:35.34 | Tenkawa | thats odd |
| 13:35.48 | RichiH | bhaal cycles to catch on-join spammers |
| 13:35.51 | RichiH | fyi |
| 13:36.14 | stew | Tenkawa: all the stuff that used to be done by base-config after the first reboot of the isntaller is now done before the first reboot, eliminating the need of base-config by the installer |
| 13:36.15 | liable | yeah, but its still annoying :) |
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| 13:36.44 | Tenkawa | stew: ack.... I'm trying to build an image through debootstrap and chroot |
| 13:36.58 | liable | but better than onjoin spambots i guess |
| 13:36.58 | Tenkawa | and base-config was kinda integral to that |
| 13:37.26 | liable | base-config is part of the installer now, it still gets run, but its not a proper deb |
| 13:37.44 | Miciah | abrotman: Thanks for the pointer to #debian-kernel yesterday. I changed fstab and lilo.conf to use UUIDs instead of device names (which changed from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd*) and switch from yaird to initramfs-tools and everything works now. pcspeaker (which was broken in 2.6.17 on AMD64) is working. Even swsusp (which had never worked on my laptop) is working--groovy. |
| 13:37.49 | Tenkawa | liable: well I'm not using the installer to build this image though.. is there a workaround? |
| 13:38.28 | liable | Tenkawa: dunno actually |
| 13:38.46 | Tenkawa | heh.. guess I'll just fit it all together manually :) |
| 13:39.31 | Ricalawaba | liable: check your client setting |
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| 13:39.47 | liable | Ricalawaba: for what? |
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| 13:41.40 | abrotman | Miciah: yay! |
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| 13:42.20 | stew | Tenkawa: setup /etc/fstab , sources.list, /etc/hostname ; passwd root |
| 13:42.31 | stew | i don't remember what else |
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| 13:42.40 | liable | tzconfig |
| 13:42.53 | liable | language |
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| 13:48.51 | Tenkawa | stew: yeah thats what I did |
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| 13:51.20 | tarzeau | why are these different? i've got udev and sarge: crw------- 1 root root 4, 5 Apr 13 13:23 /dev/tty5 |
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| 13:51.23 | tarzeau | crw------- 1 root tty 4, 50 Feb 26 2005 /dev/tty50 |
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| 13:52.06 | bzed | tarzeau: bacuse one is tty50 and one tty5 |
| 13:52.36 | FuzzyB | could someone please tell me if the iptables $IFACE in this howto is the external or the internal interface? http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html |
| 13:52.47 | tarzeau | bzed: all tty with one number are root.root and the ones with two numbers are root.tty |
| 13:52.56 | tarzeau | bzed: isn't this a bug in udev or the udev configuration? |
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| 13:54.28 | jelly | a very important question: what does netcat's "Punt!" when ctrl-c-ed mean? |
| 13:54.29 | bzed | tarzeau: no, actually the group does not matter at all, but at least you could use it if you need to give peopel access to one of the devices (you'd ahve to change the permissions, too) |
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| 13:54.59 | bzed | jelly: you're an ass and pressed ctrl+c, I go home now |
| 13:55.14 | ebbs | hi... absolute hypothetically: If i would make "rm -R /" Would the system stop doing anything, also something like a copy process of a whole system that will be started after removing all? |
| 13:55.36 | FuzzyB | ebbs: the kernel will crap on itself |
| 13:55.45 | bzed | ebbs: it would just say: you're not here, go away (no joke) |
| 13:55.48 | CaT[tm] | no it wont |
| 13:55.52 | Miciah | ebbs: Depends on whether you're root. |
| 13:55.53 | FuzzyB | i just had a hw raid 5 fail from under a rhel4 box |
| 13:55.55 | bzed | the kernel will just live |
| 13:55.59 | FuzzyB | just got stuck in a loop |
| 13:56.03 | FuzzyB | couldn't login couldn't do anything |
| 13:56.09 | FuzzyB | because it had no passwd to check against |
| 13:56.09 | liable | whatever is running should continue |
| 13:56.13 | jelly | ebbs: it usually depends on how far it gets |
| 13:56.14 | CaT[tm] | ebbs: try it and see =) |
| 13:56.25 | Gathond | liable: at least until it tries to access the next file:) |
| 13:56.27 | bzed | jelly: you can delete everything |
| 13:56.41 | bzed | it works, not a problem. try it in quemu or so |
| 13:56.43 | liable | Gathond: true |
| 13:56.54 | ebbs | :-) damn there are a lot of active IRC readers, arent there... |
| 13:57.18 | jelly | bzed: just by doing rm -rf / ? Last time I tried it didn't work that way... TBH that was last century. |
| 13:57.36 | FuzzyB | yea and none of them could bother to answer my question |
| 13:57.41 | bzed | FuzzyB: $IFACE in this case is the interface you're configuring at the moment, there it would be eth0 |
| 13:57.45 | FuzzyB | ok |
| 13:57.54 | FuzzyB | so how does it know what is the external interface? |
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| 13:58.01 | ebbs | so if I start my script as root: rm -R / && (command to copy a whole system from a server) it would work... |
| 13:58.13 | jelly | ebbs: nope |
| 13:58.14 | undesktop | what to do if a PCI device unexpectedly isn't listed by lspci? |
| 13:58.15 | FuzzyB | no |
| 13:58.17 | bzed | jelly: hmm, I tried it once and it worked |
| 13:58.21 | FuzzyB | boot a live cd |
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| 13:58.25 | FuzzyB | and then mount the partitions |
| 13:58.28 | FuzzyB | then copy them over |
| 13:58.44 | jelly | ebbs: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:58.52 | ebbs | with thirty clients to do that with... :-) (no live cd) |
| 13:59.00 | liable | ebbs: no, because cp will wait untill rm is finished, which by that time, cp will not exist anymore |
| 13:59.04 | bzed | !tell ebbs about fai |
| 13:59.05 | FuzzyB | ebbs: so use a pen drive |
| 13:59.20 | jelly | clonezilla! |
| 13:59.31 | jelly | (has multicast) |
| 13:59.39 | bzed | FuzzyB: in this tutorial it assumes that eth0 is your external interface |
| 13:59.48 | FuzzyB | bzed: ok |
| 14:00.00 | FuzzyB | so why does it give it an internal address |
| 14:00.03 | undesktop | does the kernel always output: "PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report"? |
| 14:00.11 | FuzzyB | before it calls it the external interface |
| 14:00.29 | bzed | FuzzyB: because this tutorial doesn't seem to be what you're looking for? |
| 14:00.33 | jelly | undesktop: only if you use ACPI IRQ routing I think |
| 14:00.44 | ebbs | If simply replacing a system (e.g. debian sarge -> etch) would there be any old sarge files, which conflict with the new system (etch)? |
| 14:00.46 | quad3datwork | i'm installing etch right now. is there a command in busybox i can check net connection? ping commnad not found |
| 14:00.53 | undesktop | jelly: yes, there are some lines about ACPI too |
| 14:00.57 | FuzzyB | bzed: really simple nat example |
| 14:00.58 | bzed | !tell ebbs about sarge->etch |
| 14:01.06 | stew | !sarge->etch |
| 14:01.06 | dpkg_ | first read the etch release noetes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; then editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; change all non-local mentions of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch". Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. also ask me about <security> |
| 14:01.11 | stew | that's not right |
| 14:01.12 | liable | quad3datwork: no, busybos doesnt have any networking tools |
| 14:01.18 | jelly | undesktop: (it's default in etch kernel I think) |
| 14:01.38 | bzed | FuzzyB: a simple nat example that assumes, that your external interface is eth0 |
| 14:01.44 | quad3datwork | k |
| 14:01.45 | undesktop | jelly: any idea about that PCI problem? |
| 14:01.46 | bzed | FuzzyB: and to do nat, you need an IP |
| 14:02.00 | stew | !no sarge->etch is read the etch release noetes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 14:02.01 | dpkg_ | stew: okay |
| 14:02.03 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 14:02.12 | FuzzyB | i'll go google some more |
| 14:02.13 | ebbs | bzed, no It dont work like this... Ive to care about thirty clients, and Ive got a fully functional etch dist to simply copy from a server... |
| 14:02.24 | xoz | s/noetes/notes |
| 14:02.25 | bzed | ebbs: use fai |
| 14:02.33 | jelly | undesktop: well, like it says, you can try alternate pci= options |
| 14:02.40 | stew | !sarge->etch =~ s/noetes/notes/ |
| 14:02.40 | dpkg_ | stew: OK |
| 14:02.43 | stew | xoz: thanks |
| 14:02.44 | undesktop | worth a try |
| 14:02.47 | undesktop | I'm off trying |
| 14:02.54 | bzed | ebbs: you setup fai once and can install a ton of clients without touching them |
| 14:03.09 | FuzzyB | kind of like rh's kickstart? |
| 14:03.17 | bzed | FuzzyB: times better :) |
| 14:03.20 | FuzzyB | oh good |
| 14:03.30 | FuzzyB | because even though kickstart worked pretty well, i still don't like rh |
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| 14:04.19 | bzed | FuzzyB: and an hundred times better than the suse stuff ;) their manager was pretty pissed as he saw how fast fai installs debian on a system... when he came to the debian booth at the linuxworldexpo here and wanted to praise their automatic installer stuff :D |
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| 14:04.44 | FuzzyB | hahaha |
| 14:04.56 | FuzzyB | everytime i want to get behind suse, they do something stupid that makes me hate them even more |
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| 14:06.37 | undesktop | jelly: didn't help |
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| 14:07.18 | bzed | FuzzyB: another reason not to like them: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-bugs/2007-04/msg00126.html |
| 14:07.24 | JBond2 | i am installing vmware 5.5.3 tools on Etch clean installation, it says: "/usr/src/linux/include" is a kernel header file directory, but it is not part of kernel source tree. |
| 14:07.47 | tarzeau | do all people use FAI or does someone use D-I preseeding? |
| 14:07.52 | FuzzyB | yea i heard about that about a week ago |
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| 14:09.04 | bzed | JBond2: the installer has on option to tell it where the sources are as far as I remember |
| 14:09.44 | bzed | tarzeau: I'd use fai as it is configureable with gosa |
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| 14:11.30 | jelly | undesktop: what did you try? pci=bios? |
| 14:11.43 | stew | biosirq? |
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| 14:11.59 | undesktop | jelly: pci=routeirq |
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| 14:12.10 | bintut | my gaim here always crashes and i don't know why.. i'm running debian etch here |
| 14:12.35 | tarzeau | bintut: checked bugs.debian.org/gaim yet? |
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| 14:12.43 | jelly | undesktop: You logged off before you could read to try other pci= options |
| 14:12.51 | FuzzyB | bintut: it's because gaim sucks |
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| 14:13.00 | renderguy | Hi there. |
| 14:13.03 | FuzzyB | or at least the current stuff |
| 14:13.13 | stew | aparantly ari is filing (or filed) a RM bug for gaim in sarge becuase of the trademark thingy :( |
| 14:13.18 | jelly | undesktop: did the card work with this same kernel at any point in the past? |
| 14:13.18 | undesktop | jelly: oops... but could it really be that? I mean it does not get listed _at_all_ by lspci |
| 14:13.29 | undesktop | jelly: no, it's brand new |
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| 14:13.41 | JBond2 | bzed> i told it, actually. |
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| 14:14.20 | jelly | undesktop: is it a normal length PCI, or PCI-X? |
| 14:14.23 | debian-san | I've upgraded to Etch but I cannot use "su" anymore in Gnome. On a console however it works. Anyone familiar with this issue? |
| 14:14.23 | JBond2 | if you read the error vmware says, you will realize that is because he doesn't think that's a part of kernel source. |
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| 14:14.27 | renderguy | If I have 2 versions of the same package installed, both 'stable' and 'testing', how should I remove one without breaking the other? |
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| 14:14.38 | CAiRO | how can i get a working flash player for firefox? since a short time, i always get "this file is known to trigger bugs.." but for ALL flash files |
| 14:14.53 | jelly | renderguy: you can't have 2 versions of the same package installed in Debian. |
| 14:14.53 | FuzzyB | CAiRO: look at flash 9 beta from adobe |
| 14:14.55 | FuzzyB | for linux |
| 14:15.05 | undesktop | jelly: it fit in in my PCI slots... so I guess it's normal |
| 14:15.12 | CAiRO | no debian package? i used to use swf-player |
| 14:15.18 | CAiRO | and it has always worked fine |
| 14:15.32 | FuzzyB | well then search apt-cache for it |
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| 14:15.35 | FuzzyB | or backports |
| 14:15.47 | renderguy | jelly: I have 'libc6-2.3.6.test' and 'libc6-2.3.6.stable'. |
| 14:15.47 | xoz | renderguy: remove both and install back only the one you want. |
| 14:16.20 | renderguy | xoz: Not an option, it's a fundemental package and would break to many things. |
| 14:17.05 | xoz | renderguy: you have mixed stable and testing? use pinning |
| 14:17.16 | jelly | renderguy: pastebin output of dpkg -l libc6\* and cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:17.32 | jelly | renderguy: also, apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 14:18.16 | dimitri | how do I find and replace a string in a bunch of file from the console, i guess I have to use grep but then I am stuck |
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| 14:18.49 | bytekode | dimitri: man sed |
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| 14:19.17 | renderguy | jelly: I want to get rid of '2.3.6.ds1-13' - http://pastebin.ca/438208 |
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| 14:19.44 | renderguy | jelly: ... but leave '2.3.6-0ubuntu2'. |
| 14:19.49 | siachris | I have etch, and when I try to have aptitude install anything it wants to remove 212 files which I believe are KDE files. Why is it doing that? |
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| 14:20.09 | dimitri | bytekode: this sounds good but it talks chinese to me, an example would be welcome |
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| 14:20.49 | jelly | renderguy: what about the other two commands (esp. apt-cache policy libc6)? |
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| 14:21.14 | wols_ | renderguy: are you running ubuntu? |
| 14:21.20 | jelly | renderguy: 2.3.6.ds1-13 is newer than 2.3.6-0ubuntu2 |
| 14:21.32 | renderguy | wols_: Yep. |
| 14:21.43 | wols_ | renderguy: you're in the wrong channel then |
| 14:22.19 | renderguy | wols_: I know, but thought it would be easier to talk here (it's generic Debian anyway). ;-) |
| 14:22.28 | wols_ | renderguy: no it's not |
| 14:22.44 | wols_ | and it would be easier for all involved (mainly you) in fact to ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:23.05 | renderguy | jelly: Would there be an easy way for me to downgrade to the 'ubuntu' (stable) version? |
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| 14:23.06 | vin` | !badger knoppix |
| 14:23.07 | dpkg_ | ENOUGH |
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| 14:23.51 | HD|Laptop | !nvidia? |
| 14:23.51 | dpkg_ | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 14:24.16 | renderguy | wols_: I don't want to get into a flame war, and understand your point, but this is a quick question (I believe) and will be out of your way soon. |
| 14:24.16 | bzed | !tell renderguy about based on debian |
| 14:24.41 | jelly | renderguy: man apt-get or aptitude and look for how to install explicit version of a package. But that won't solve the cause. |
| 14:24.45 | wols_ | renderguy: if you don't go away this will probably evolve into one. and not due to my doing |
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| 14:25.11 | bzed | renderguy: and this is not a quick question, that's a mess. it's an ubuntu mess, so they should know how to fix it |
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| 14:25.37 | siachris | Here's my error: http://pastebin.ca/438223 |
| 14:25.50 | renderguy | bzed: Well, it was a Debian 'Testing' package I installed. |
| 14:26.13 | jelly | renderguy: you should not install random packages from other distributions |
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| 14:26.55 | Szeraax | siachris: it looks like you tried to get rid of some kde package and it snowballed |
| 14:26.55 | renderguy | jelly: I know, but seemingly had little choice in this (my) case. |
| 14:26.59 | wols_ | renderguy: debian expliclity tells users not to mix distros. we wouldn't know what ubuntu says about this topic |
| 14:27.03 | xand | hmm OK, i just installed etch, and after "GRUB loading, please wait..." it says "Error 21" and doesn't get any further :( |
| 14:27.08 | renderguy | jelly: Thanks for the help so far BTW, much appreciated. |
| 14:27.38 | wols_ | xand: what hardware? |
| 14:27.43 | xand | a dell gx260 |
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| 14:28.18 | wols_ | xand: in plain, non corp branding speech? |
| 14:28.41 | wols_ | especially your hdd controller is of interest here |
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| 14:28.49 | xand | umm |
| 14:29.02 | wols_ | cause that is your culprit |
| 14:29.14 | xand | is it possible to determine that from the installer cd? |
| 14:29.45 | wols_ | alt+f2, lspci -v |
| 14:30.39 | renderguy | jelly: I'm not seeing anything useful on the man pages (same as the various sites I've waded through). |
| 14:30.53 | FuzzyB | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE <--is that all i need to setup nat between two ( eth0 and eth1 ) interfaces, eth0 being the outside interface, eth1 being inside ( the sysctl forward flag is already set ) |
| 14:31.40 | xand | wols_: intel 82801DB |
| 14:31.49 | siachris | Szeraax: what should I do? |
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| 14:32.26 | FuzzyB | xand: check how your bios is handing your hard drives |
| 14:32.28 | jelly | renderguy: apt-get(8): "A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals and the version of the package to select." |
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| 14:32.45 | xand | FuzzyB: what do you mean? |
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| 14:33.06 | FuzzyB | there's different modes |
| 14:33.10 | renderguy | jelly: I've already tried that but seems to do nothing different for me. |
| 14:33.15 | jelly | renderguy: right in the explanation of "install" command |
| 14:33.18 | FuzzyB | in which your bios can show the drives to the operating system |
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| 14:33.48 | xand | hmm |
| 14:33.55 | jelly | renderguy: you want to ask #ubuntu then, I have no idea why apt-get install foo=version would not work |
| 14:33.57 | xand | bios doesn't list the harddisk i installed to |
| 14:34.06 | xand | it says "Primary Drive 1... Off" |
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| 14:34.09 | xand | sigh |
| 14:34.13 | minus198 | If I want to change the rights to a program, wht should I do? I mean, to use e.g. hddtemp you need to be root. Should I change the rights on the hddtemp folder or a specific file? |
| 14:34.13 | wols_ | xand: then grub can nevre boot from it ever |
| 14:34.28 | wols_ | it needs BIOS support of some kind since grub needs BIOS to actually load anything from disk |
| 14:34.38 | xand | ok fixed |
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| 14:35.01 | xand | working now, thanks FuzzyB |
| 14:35.03 | jelly | renderguy: I suggest you provide them all the information I asked for in advance... you didn't paste apt-cache policy which would have been quite useful. |
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| 14:35.08 | wols_ | xand: what was it? |
| 14:35.12 | _xavier | Hi. I am trying to move my software raid from the old IDE driver to the new libata based driver (using linux 2.6.20) |
| 14:35.12 | FuzzyB | np |
| 14:35.20 | xand | i changed bios to say there was a harddisk instead of nothing |
| 14:35.22 | renderguy | jelly: K, I'll try to battle my way through the ubuntu channel, thanks again! |
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| 14:35.37 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 14:35.42 | _xavier | but I get a kernel pannic can't mount root device /dev/md1 |
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| 14:36.04 | FuzzyB | crap |
| 14:36.05 | jetscreamer | linux-kbuild-2.6.20 does not appear to be available |
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| 14:36.26 | jetscreamer | !info linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
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| 14:36.53 | FuzzyB | do it |
| 14:37.12 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 14:37.12 | dpkg_ | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 14:37.18 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 14:37.21 | bytekode | lol |
| 14:37.31 | jetscreamer | !find linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 14:37.34 | FuzzyB | but i can't talk about -ck last time i used his patches were like 2.4.20 or something |
| 14:37.44 | FuzzyB | err excuse me |
| 14:37.46 | dpkg_ | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-kbuild-2.6.20' returned no results. |
| 14:37.47 | FuzzyB | 2.2.20 |
| 14:37.56 | jelly | 2.4.20, 2.6.20 -- almost the same thing |
| 14:38.14 | jelly | one bit difference |
| 14:38.25 | FuzzyB | 2.2.20 i meant |
| 14:38.33 | jelly | FuzzyB: works for that too! |
| 14:38.34 | FuzzyB | so many 20's |
| 14:38.38 | FuzzyB | so little time |
| 14:38.55 | jelly | FuzzyB: on your knees and give me 20! |
| 14:39.20 | jetscreamer | 25 is standard though |
| 14:39.27 | FuzzyB | and knees |
| 14:39.30 | FuzzyB | 2.4.1 |
| 14:39.31 | FuzzyB | 2.4.2 |
| 14:39.33 | FuzzyB | 2.4.3 |
| 14:39.34 | FuzzyB | 2.4.4 |
| 14:39.41 | FuzzyB | *sigh* |
| 14:39.41 | illo70 | faster! |
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| 14:39.50 | FuzzyB | yea so i activeate the flood protects |
| 14:40.11 | illo70 | that's exactly what i wanted, Fuzzy :D |
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| 14:40.50 | jetscreamer | !depends linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 14:40.55 | dpkg_ | linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7: depends on linux-headers-2.6.20-1 (= 2.6.20-1), linux-kbuild-2.6.20, gcc-4.1 |
| 14:40.57 | xand | grrr, now to get more than 640x480 |
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| 14:41.18 | doudou | how do i get identification for some channels? |
| 14:41.28 | jetscreamer | oh lookie it's marky! |
| 14:41.28 | illo70 | 640x480 should be enough for everybody |
| 14:41.31 | xand | doudou: what? |
| 14:41.31 | stew | doudou: /msg nickserv help |
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| 14:42.12 | tomdick | who here unplugs their computer stuff during a thunderstorm? |
| 14:42.14 | jetscreamer | /ns help register maybe |
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| 14:42.18 | ASdfF | there is a serious bug in debians screen |
| 14:42.29 | jetscreamer | tomdick: i turn mine off when it's bad, no ups |
| 14:42.59 | jelly | tomdick: I switch to batteries, sometimes |
| 14:42.59 | jetscreamer | if i had a ups i wouldn't |
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| 14:43.12 | jelly | ASdfF: have you reported it to bts? |
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| 14:43.18 | illo70 | anyway adding HorizSync VertRefresh and subsection "display" for all modes fixed the 640x400 issue for my tibook. |
| 14:43.30 | jetscreamer | /ns help register |
| 14:43.33 | ASdfF | ok |
| 14:43.48 | ASdfF | your windows crashes and you have open SSH screen |
| 14:43.53 | ASdfF | the screen crashes with windows |
| 14:44.03 | jetscreamer | windows? |
| 14:44.05 | ASdfF | yea |
| 14:44.17 | ASdfF | windows is able to remotely crash the screen running in nix |
| 14:44.28 | tomdick | jelly: jetscreamer: have you lost anything due to lightning? |
| 14:44.33 | FuzzyB | tomdick: i do |
| 14:44.50 | ASdfF | i cannot fukken open my screen anymore |
| 14:44.50 | FuzzyB | but i'm battery backed |
| 14:44.50 | jelly | tomdick: me personally, no |
| 14:44.51 | FuzzyB | so i just unplug |
| 14:44.53 | jetscreamer | tomdick: yes, once a router, and it was just a flicker inthe juice, and something else i forget |
| 14:44.54 | FuzzyB | not ness turn off |
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| 14:45.24 | jetscreamer | the router still worked except no incoming intarweb :/ |
| 14:45.27 | FuzzyB | i watched my power company do me in once to the tune of 30k. I figured if that's all those morans can do, just imagine what mother nature could. |
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| 14:46.33 | petemc | ASdfF: if you press ctrl s by accident, screen will freeze, is that what you mean? |
| 14:46.45 | felipec | how can I list the files inside a .deb file? |
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| 14:46.57 | tarzeau | felipec: using ar t the.deb |
| 14:47.06 | tarzeau | felipec: or the dpkg tool |
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| 14:48.00 | felipec | tarzeau: with ar I get: |
| 14:48.03 | felipec | debian-binary |
| 14:48.03 | felipec | control.tar.gz |
| 14:48.03 | felipec | data.tar.gz |
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| 14:48.10 | jelly | tarzeau: ar t would only show those three |
| 14:48.12 | illo70 | file-roller looks well inside .debs |
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| 14:48.30 | tarzeau | jelly: true |
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| 14:48.35 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:48.37 | tomdick | if you _did_ lose equipment, would you blame your isp? |
| 14:48.39 | tarzeau | illo70: so does mc |
| 14:48.43 | jelly | felipec: the contents are inside data.tar.gz |
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| 14:48.57 | tarzeau | jelly, felipec since some time the data.tar.gz can also be a data.tar.bz2 or data.tar.lzma |
| 14:49.02 | illo70 | you double click on .tar.gz and open further archives |
| 14:49.04 | jelly | tomdick: are you getting anywhere with this? |
| 14:49.08 | felipec | tarzeau: I can't find the option with dpkg -h |
| 14:49.23 | jetscreamer | tomdick: somebody said they gotthe power company to replace stuff when that happened... i never thought they would do that personally, but hey worth a shot |
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| 14:49.47 | jetscreamer | just bitcvh a lot i guess |
| 14:49.49 | felipec | jelly: tarzeau: ok, but I don't want to extract the files, only list them |
| 14:49.55 | tarzeau | felipec: try dpkg-deb -h |
| 14:50.03 | tomdick | jelly: no, venting mainly. sorry if i bothered you. |
| 14:50.15 | tarzeau | felipec: -c is what you want |
| 14:50.21 | jelly | felipec: if you are on a debian system, you can use dpkg --contents |
| 14:50.43 | Fox_1_ | people from where can i get etch's apt repository urls |
| 14:50.45 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 14:51.24 | jetscreamer | ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 14:51.39 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: telnet linuks.mine.nu | sed "s,sid,etch,g" |
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| 14:51.57 | jelly | tarzeau: sick |
| 14:52.07 | felipec | tarzeau: jelly: thanks, that's what I was looking for :) |
| 14:52.09 | tarzeau | jelly: what? |
| 14:52.31 | jelly | tarzeau: having sources.list on the telnet port |
| 14:52.36 | tomdick | jetscreamer: if i lost something and there wasn't a storm, i might look into that. but my customers seem to think that it's my fault if they lose equipment in an oklahoma thunderstorm. |
| 14:52.47 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: wow, g8 :) |
| 14:53.02 | felipec | it's a little hard to find that out from dpkg -h |
| 14:53.29 | tarzeau | jelly: very useful because the installer only has telnet or nc, and no wget |
| 14:53.39 | tarzeau | jelly: and no real editor |
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| 14:53.41 | volker | hi |
| 14:53.51 | volker | how can I get kdetv supporting DVB-T? |
| 14:53.55 | jelly | felipec: man page has it on the first screen |
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| 14:54.08 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: it's return ftp://ftp.ch.... why ch? |
| 14:54.12 | jelly | tarzeau: I see |
| 14:54.28 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: because i'm in ch? |
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| 14:54.42 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: ok |
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| 14:55.13 | siachris | Anyone know what's going on here? http://pastebin.ca/438223 |
| 14:55.36 | siachris | Looks like aptitude wants to basically uninstall KDE. |
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| 14:56.13 | jelly | siachris: testing/unstable? |
| 14:56.19 | siachris | yea |
| 14:56.33 | siachris | Etch, a couple days before release |
| 14:56.35 | Fox_1_ | i'm using testing version of etch, can i upgrade it to stable? |
| 14:56.54 | siachris | I'd like to know the answer to that too |
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| 14:56.56 | volker | and...i have a nVidia Corporation MCP04 AC'97 Audio Controller...what's its kernel module? |
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| 14:57.43 | jetscreamer | Fox_1_: if it's really etch and not lenny, sure |
| 14:57.49 | jelly | siachris: my guess: there's a newer k3b available, and an kde metapackage that depends on the older. since you only installed kde with aptitude, aptitude now wants to remove kde together with its autoinstalled dependencies |
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| 14:58.03 | Fox_1_ | jetscreamer: yes, it's really etch |
| 14:58.03 | jetscreamer | it's a k3b lib |
| 14:58.09 | felipec | and how about finding the installed package that provides certain file in the filesystem? |
| 14:58.13 | Buddha| | I'm trying to upgrade to Sid, but I still have Gnome 2.14. What do I need to change in my sources.list? |
| 14:58.19 | jetscreamer | libk3b2 vs libk3b3 iirc |
| 14:58.28 | siachris | So, if I say yes, KDE will be uninstalled? |
| 14:58.36 | jelly | siachris: yup |
| 14:58.37 | jetscreamer | siachris: define 'kde' |
| 14:58.43 | jetscreamer | the metapackage? |
| 14:58.49 | illo70 | felipec packages.debian.org has a search for contents |
| 14:58.51 | jetscreamer | or like kde* |
| 14:59.03 | siachris | define it? |
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| 14:59.17 | jetscreamer | i mean is it trying to only remove the metapackage, or kde* |
| 14:59.28 | jelly | jetscreamer: well if you take a look at his paste, it'll be more clear |
| 14:59.30 | siachris | http://pastebin.ca/438223 |
| 14:59.33 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:59.34 | siachris | I'm not sure |
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| 14:59.59 | siachris | I installed KDE with aptitude install KDE |
| 15:00.10 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:00.15 | jetscreamer | yeah ok nm |
| 15:00.28 | jelly | siachris: can you do "aptitude install k3b kde" and see what happens? |
| 15:00.39 | siachris | yea, brb |
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| 15:00.58 | illo70 | definition of kde: a GUI for people that still have to recover from windows |
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| 15:01.03 | jetscreamer | you can just remove / not install k3b for now and wait |
| 15:01.10 | volker | !dmm? |
| 15:01.11 | dpkg_ | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 15:01.14 | tarzeau | illo70: one can say the same about GNOME |
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| 15:01.27 | jetscreamer | is that like etch or what |
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| 15:01.44 | illo70 | gnome is for people who find the mac too difficult :) |
| 15:01.50 | siachris | http://pastebin.ca/438273 |
| 15:01.50 | jelly | one can gleefully ignore wm/de flamewars |
| 15:01.52 | felipec | illo70: it's not a debian distrubution, it's in fact scratchbox |
| 15:02.06 | siachris | I think that might help.....update KDE along with k3b? |
| 15:02.29 | jetscreamer | Need to get 5864kB/96.8MB of archives |
| 15:02.36 | jetscreamer | siachris: seems to be what you want |
| 15:02.44 | siachris | So, I should say yes? |
| 15:02.48 | jetscreamer | yes imo |
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| 15:03.08 | jelly | siachris: looks like a whole shitload of kde things will be installed, I'd go with it ;-) |
| 15:03.17 | siachris | okay....the good thing is this is a totally clean drive, so there's no files to lose |
| 15:03.25 | siachris | okay, I'll hit yes. |
| 15:03.30 | jetscreamer | it won't break anything |
| 15:03.32 | siachris | Thanks. |
| 15:03.34 | jelly | (me wonders why ppp?) |
| 15:03.37 | jetscreamer | unless kde is broken :) |
| 15:04.02 | jelly | krap |
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| 15:04.22 | VolkerH | !marillat? |
| 15:04.23 | dpkg_ | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 15:04.38 | siachris | Well, if it is, then whatever....I can reinstall everything if I need to. |
| 15:04.42 | jetscreamer | note that you probably 'could use k3b kde-desktop instead or so.. kde-base... i forget |
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| 15:05.06 | VolkerH | !debian-multimedia.etch? |
| 15:05.07 | jelly | !install kde |
| 15:05.10 | siachris | I just got the machine running a few days ago. No data on it, and I could just reinstall everything. |
| 15:05.17 | felipec | illo70: so is it possible? |
| 15:05.24 | jetscreamer | !tell VolkerH -about marillat |
| 15:05.25 | jelly | VolkerH: /msg the bot ? |
| 15:05.30 | VolkerH | doesnt workt |
| 15:05.36 | VolkerH | He is not identified... |
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| 15:05.40 | siachris | Is there a need, or possibility to update to etch stable? |
| 15:05.45 | dpkg_ | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 15:05.45 | dpkg_ | somebody said install kde was In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 15:05.45 | jelly | VolkerH: heh |
| 15:05.53 | jetscreamer | #deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 15:05.57 | siachris | My version is 2 days before release |
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| 15:06.26 | jetscreamer | siachris: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:06.34 | siachris | Really, that's it? |
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| 15:06.39 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 15:06.43 | xand | why doesn't debian's dhclient put all the search domains in /etc/resolv.conf? If I use windows i get four search domains; debian i get just one :( |
| 15:06.43 | siachris | rock |
| 15:06.59 | siachris | You've been really helpfull jetscreamer. |
| 15:07.00 | illo70 | felipec, if your distibution is deb based there was something in debian manuals (installation one iirc) about package contents, i don't recall exactly. If it0s not debian based i dunno :) |
| 15:07.00 | jelly | siachris: do you want etch (stable) or to keep using testing? |
| 15:07.15 | siachris | I'd like to go to stable |
| 15:07.47 | VolkerH | jelly, i'm harddisk...at the moment i configure the PC of a buddy... |
| 15:07.47 | siachris | ....I think. As a newbie that sure SOUNDS like what a guy would want to do. |
| 15:07.48 | jelly | siachris: confirm that you have "etch" or "stable" and not "testing" in your sources.list before installing anything |
| 15:07.49 | jetscreamer | for now it is what you want to do, then |
| 15:07.50 | Buddha| | I'm trying to upgrade to Sid, myself |
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| 15:08.00 | felipec | illo70: it's not a distro (I think), it's scratchbox, but it's debian based |
| 15:08.01 | jetscreamer | !etch->sid |
| 15:08.03 | stew | siachris: make sure your sources.list are pointing to "etch" and aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 15:08.05 | siachris | For some reason, I don't have access to that. |
| 15:08.12 | VolkerH | jelly, do you know whats the kernel module for the sound chipset "00:13.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP04 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)" |
| 15:08.15 | jetscreamer | access to what |
| 15:08.22 | jelly | siachris: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:08.24 | siachris | yea |
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| 15:08.37 | stew | siachris: as root? |
| 15:08.37 | jelly | !confuse me |
| 15:08.37 | dpkg_ | No, who are your mushroom today, jelly? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 15:08.46 | siachris | even as root. I put that in, and it says |
| 15:08.49 | jetscreamer | siachris: make what stew said dist-upgrade, not upgrade |
| 15:08.52 | illo70 | felipec so what debian says about debs is valid for your distro too, 99%, browse debian installation or user manual about dpkg and apt |
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| 15:09.12 | stew | jetscreamer: why? it can't possibly matter |
| 15:09.14 | VolkerH | !apt-key 1F41B907? |
| 15:09.14 | dpkg_ | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 15:09.24 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg something |
| 15:09.33 | VolkerH | jetscreamer, doesnt work here |
| 15:09.35 | stew | jetscreamer: so long as he is telling us the truth about it being up to date as of 2 days ago |
| 15:09.36 | jetscreamer | stew: i dunno... have you tested? |
| 15:09.38 | jelly | jetscreamer: msg doesn't work |
| 15:09.41 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 15:09.44 | VolkerH | jetscreamer, notice the bot is named dpkg_ |
| 15:09.49 | jetscreamer | !debian-bots |
| 15:09.49 | dpkg_ | somebody said debian-bots was #debian-bots where little kids play with their toys. |
| 15:09.51 | VolkerH | and he is not identified |
| 15:10.06 | siachris | It says Permission Denied. |
| 15:10.07 | stew | jetscreamer: no, but i'm possitive that the package list didn't change in the last 2 days before release |
| 15:10.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg, bark |
| 15:10.13 | stew | siachris: as root? |
| 15:10.16 | siachris | yup |
| 15:10.18 | jetscreamer | heh redirect |
| 15:10.28 | jelly | siachris: don't try to run it, use an editor :-) |
| 15:10.35 | stew | oh, yeah |
| 15:10.40 | siachris | Oh, okay. |
| 15:10.46 | jetscreamer | as root, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:10.53 | jetscreamer | or $EDITOR |
| 15:10.56 | siachris | haha...as I said, I'm a newbie |
| 15:11.00 | jetscreamer | you choice of editor i mean |
| 15:11.04 | illo70 | -w? oh word wrap i guess |
| 15:11.06 | jelly | sensible-editor ? :-) |
| 15:11.09 | stew | ^^^ |
| 15:11.13 | jetscreamer | yeh -w turns off wordwrap |
| 15:11.29 | jetscreamer | i found that very confusing |
| 15:12.03 | siachris | dang...I have to boogie. |
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| 15:12.19 | siachris | Looks like k3b is in, and I'll have to do this later. |
| 15:12.23 | illo70 | indeed, jetscreamer |
| 15:12.24 | jetscreamer | if anybody cares the proc specific versions of linux-headers-2.6.20-(k7,686) are not installable |
| 15:12.24 | siachris | thanks again everyone |
| 15:12.38 | jetscreamer | due to a missing package |
| 15:12.52 | stew | jetscreamer: kbuild? |
| 15:12.56 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 15:12.58 | liable | anyone installed a new sid .20 kernel? |
| 15:13.10 | SerajewelKS | liable: i have |
| 15:13.15 | SerajewelKS | liable: purged it too |
| 15:13.16 | stew | liable: /msg dpkg popcon :P |
| 15:13.16 | azeem | !anyone |
| 15:13.16 | dpkg_ | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:13.17 | jetscreamer | i 'almost' did |
| 15:13.25 | liable | SerajewelKS: can you build modules against it? |
| 15:13.34 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:13.39 | SerajewelKS | liable: no, there is no kbuild for 2.6.20 in sid |
| 15:13.44 | jetscreamer | didn't i just say that? :) |
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| 15:13.54 | liable | whats up with that? |
| 15:13.56 | jetscreamer | well kinda, in a roundabout way |
| 15:13.59 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: not really, no |
| 15:14.03 | boodie | Can anybody advice me a webcam that works (under debian)? |
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| 15:14.11 | undesktop | how do I most simplest compile a Debian kernel with SMP disabled? |
| 15:14.18 | abrotman | boodie: google ? |
| 15:14.25 | jetscreamer | liable: linux-kbuild-2.6.20 does not appear to be available |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | !tell undesktop about kp |
| 15:14.36 | jetscreamer | that's why, liable, i believe |
| 15:14.38 | taak | excuse my n00bitude, but there's a way to tell apt to stick with sarge and not update a million packages for etch? |
| 15:14.43 | liable | jetscreamer: ah |
| 15:14.54 | jetscreamer | taak: change stable to oldstable in sources |
| 15:14.57 | dutchfish | !kernel |
| 15:15.00 | stew | taak: switch sources.list to point to "sarge" instaled of "stable" and aptitude update |
| 15:15.07 | jetscreamer | or make it say sarge instead of stable |
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| 15:15.12 | undesktop | abrotman: was the bot supposed my anything? nothing happened |
| 15:15.13 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 15:15.13 | dpkg_ | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.6, prepatch: 2.6.21-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.21-rc6-git5, 2.4: 2.4.34.2, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 |
| 15:15.18 | abrotman | !kp |
| 15:15.18 | dpkg_ | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:15.34 | abrotman | undesktop: but why ? |
| 15:15.35 | undesktop | thank you |
| 15:15.36 | boodie | abrotman: tried several times, but I wanted a list of compatible models, I found only philosophical dissertations on the client server architectures of video4linux or something alike |
| 15:15.48 | undesktop | abrotman: stupid driver... doesn't work with SMP |
| 15:15.49 | stew | dondelelcaro: dpkg needs to /nick |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | undesktop: which stuipd driver ? |
| 15:16.08 | undesktop | abrotman: it inserts an #error line if SMP is enabled in the kernel config |
| 15:16.14 | undesktop | abrotman: rt2750 |
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| 15:16.20 | undesktop | abrotman: a WLAN driver |
| 15:16.20 | jetscreamer | stew: you mean /ghost i think |
| 15:16.30 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source etch |
| 15:16.45 | dpkg_ | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (etch), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 15:16.46 | stew | jetscreamer: in reality, he needs to hit ctrl-c and restart it. he'll know what i mean :) |
| 15:16.46 | abrotman | undesktop: ^^ |
| 15:16.52 | undesktop | abrotman: I tried that... same |
| 15:16.58 | abrotman | ah well |
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| 15:17.06 | abrotman | stupid binary blob drivers |
| 15:17.14 | undesktop | it's not binary |
| 15:17.19 | undesktop | it's fully GPLed |
| 15:17.25 | Buddha| | I'm trying to upgrade to Sid, but I still have Gnome 2.14. What do I need to change in my sources.list? |
| 15:17.34 | illo70 | undesktop, no? then how can it be executed :D |
| 15:17.45 | stew | !info gnome-session sid |
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| 15:17.48 | dpkg_ | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
| 15:17.49 | undesktop | illo70: because I can't compile it! |
| 15:17.56 | stew | Buddha|: nothing, you have the latest |
| 15:18.05 | jetscreamer | Buddha|: the word etch or sarge or stable or testing to the word sid |
| 15:18.26 | jetscreamer | in sources, then apt-get update |
| 15:18.30 | Buddha| | stew - But the latest version of Gnome is 2.18 |
| 15:18.35 | illo70 | oh undesktop :) |
| 15:18.41 | jetscreamer | Buddha|: it's still in experimental iirc |
| 15:18.44 | stew | Buddha|: the lastest version in debian is 2.14.3-6 |
| 15:18.45 | jetscreamer | not in sid yet |
| 15:18.47 | SerajewelKS | hmm, some box in china tried to attack my server... it's running what looks like a rootkit sshd |
| 15:18.57 | taak | stew: thx, worked |
| 15:19.02 | jetscreamer | !info gnome-session experimental |
| 15:19.06 | jelly | !info gnome sid |
| 15:19.09 | dpkg_ | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.14.3.6 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 15:19.20 | hark | !gnome 1.8 status |
| 15:19.21 | jetscreamer | hmmm ok it's not ALL in exp |
| 15:19.28 | jetscreamer | !info gnome experimental |
| 15:19.31 | jelly | !info gnome experimental |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | undesktop: it has a blob |
| 15:19.44 | undesktop | abrotman: firmware? |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:20.02 | undesktop | abrotman: well... that's ok, it doesn't get linked to the code, does it? |
| 15:20.04 | jetscreamer | jelly i think we killed dpkg :/ |
| 15:20.07 | dpkg_ | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.16.3-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 481 kB, Installed size: 2376 kB |
| 15:20.08 | dpkg_ | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.16.2.1 (experimental), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:20.10 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:20.13 | Fuwex | I ran nessus on my server, and I ended up with this error: It was possible to crash either the remote host or the firewall in between us and the remote host by sending an UDP packet of null size going to port 161 (snmp) - but I've got a reject all rule on incoming all protocols in iptables, so it shouldn't get through - should it? |
| 15:20.18 | jetscreamer | there him is |
| 15:20.23 | abrotman | undesktop: NFC .. not my code :) |
| 15:20.24 | earthian_ | if i have 128 MB of ram and kernel that has support for 64gigs. what could be wrong with it? |
| 15:20.33 | Buddha| | !info xfce |
| 15:20.35 | SerajewelKS | 43/tcp open ssh ICE_4_All backdoor sshd (**BACKDOOR** protocol 1.5) |
| 15:20.39 | stew | undesktop: have you ever compiled a kernel before? |
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| 15:20.48 | undesktop | abrotman: anyway, I _asked_ in this channel and others about Linux compatible WLAN hardware *shrug* |
| 15:20.53 | jelly | earthian_: nothing wrong with the kernel, you just chose the wrnog one |
| 15:20.53 | earthian_ | does anybody have a working config for kernel 2.6.20 and above?? |
| 15:21.01 | abrotman | undesktop: prism54 ? |
| 15:21.01 | undesktop | stew: yes, but not in the Debian way |
| 15:21.08 | earthian_ | jelly, but would the system boot etc? |
| 15:21.08 | Buddha| | !info xfce etch |
| 15:21.13 | undesktop | abrotman: too late heh |
| 15:21.15 | jetscreamer | earthian_: sid does :o |
| 15:21.22 | abrotman | undesktop: i told you prism54 when you asked before |
| 15:21.24 | earthian_ | hm |
| 15:21.35 | jelly | earthian_: why not? |
| 15:21.38 | earthian_ | how do I backport sid kernel? :S |
| 15:21.52 | hark | backports has 2.6.20 |
| 15:21.54 | illo70 | earthian_, you might want to ask somebody with a similar hardware. I'm compiling ppc32 uniprocessor if you're interested right now :D |
| 15:22.06 | jetscreamer | ok bye |
| 15:22.07 | earthian_ | nah |
| 15:22.09 | jetscreamer | !bye |
| 15:22.10 | dpkg_ | Cya, jetscreamer |
| 15:22.19 | undesktop | abrotman: ORLY? heh... well I guess I overlooked it... besides, I looked for all cards in my local store, and none seems to be a prism thingy |
| 15:22.23 | stew | undesktop: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 ; cd /usr/src/ ; tar xvjf linux-source-2.6.18..tar.bz2 ; cd linux-source-2.6.18 ; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config ; make oldconfig ; make menuconfig ; disable SMP then follow the kp info from dpkg_ and make sure to pass the --initrd option to make-kpkg |
| 15:22.39 | earthian_ | i need the latest kernel for tyan s2895 |
| 15:22.48 | abrotman | undesktop: prism54.org lists them |
| 15:22.52 | Buddha| | !info xfce experimental |
| 15:22.58 | undesktop | stew: thank you |
| 15:23.17 | jelly | Buddha|: xfce4 |
| 15:23.41 | Buddha| | !info xfce4 experimental |
| 15:23.43 | dpkg_ | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.4.0 (experimental), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 15:24.40 | h3sp4wn | Is 4.4.0 that different to 4.3.99 ? (4.4.1 was released) |
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| 15:25.08 | jelly | h3sp4wn: 4.3.99.what ? |
| 15:25.32 | h3sp4wn | jelly: xfce |
| 15:25.32 | hark | MANITOU: black! |
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| 15:25.52 | MANITOU | black ! YES |
| 15:25.52 | jelly | h3sp4wn: which version 4.3.99.X ... where X=? |
| 15:26.13 | jelly | h3sp4wn: in any case, I think there were some fixes |
| 15:26.13 | MANITOU | sh.t black again ? wtf |
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| 15:27.03 | MANITOU | hark: ? any help ? |
| 15:27.19 | h3sp4wn | jelly: I would presume so, whether it warrants me wanting to pull it from experimental is what I want to find out (I have a wierd font issue) |
| 15:27.37 | jelly | h3sp4wn: works well on me laptop |
| 15:28.09 | MANITOU | how to change from wdm to gdm manualy ? |
| 15:28.19 | jelly | ... but segfaults on this athlon/radeon 9200 machine I have at work |
| 15:28.28 | hark | MANITOU: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 15:28.39 | stew | MANITOU: or dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 15:28.51 | hark | or dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 15:29.00 | MANITOU | ok thx |
| 15:29.59 | hark | MANITOU: well, i never really understood the black! problem of yours earlier.. heh |
| 15:30.03 | MANITOU | reboot now i hope this will help |
| 15:31.13 | MANITOU | install normal after reboot black screen NOTHING then i tryed some things ! got X then again reboot AND BLACK AGAIN |
| 15:31.14 | hark | why don't you just disable it if the dm is causing a problem? |
| 15:31.19 | h3sp4wn | jelly: I think I will wait a bit don't fancy all the other stuff that I would need to pull from experimental (once the new gtk is in sid I probably will) |
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| 15:32.09 | rahul | this modass thing is an arse |
| 15:32.13 | rahul | how the hell do I use it? |
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| 15:33.06 | stew | rahul: m-a prepare ; m-a a-i foo ; or just run "m-a" to use the curses interface |
| 15:33.12 | MANITOU | i got X again ! after dpkg-reconfigure gdm THX tryig to fix from here |
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| 15:33.15 | rahul | stew: in what dir? |
| 15:33.19 | stew | rahul: any |
| 15:33.30 | rahul | I get strange errors... |
| 15:33.34 | MANITOU | any ideas ? is it X or something else |
| 15:33.37 | stew | rahul: such as? |
| 15:33.58 | rahul | first, "you are not root". I mean, wtf. I shouldn't be. |
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| 15:34.24 | markybob | rahul: it installs the module...so i hope you're root :) |
| 15:34.34 | rahul | it _installs_ it? |
| 15:34.38 | stew | rahul: a-i means "auto-install" you have to be root to install. in order to compile i module it first runs "apt-get install modulename-source" which requires root |
| 15:34.40 | rahul | wtf kind of retarded shit is that? |
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| 15:34.57 | rahul | I want to compile it into a .deb |
| 15:34.57 | stew | rahul: you might not need root to run "m-a build foo" |
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| 15:35.29 | rahul | grr |
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| 15:35.38 | rahul | where do I specify which kernel version to build for? |
| 15:35.58 | stew | rahul: man m-a |
| 15:36.12 | rahul | stew: that just gives me more errors when I specify the kernel dir |
| 15:36.30 | stew | rahul: -l |
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| 15:37.00 | rahul | stew: that brings me to the UI again |
| 15:37.09 | stew | rahul: what command did you type? |
| 15:37.14 | rahul | m-a -l |
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| 15:37.32 | stew | rahul: what did you expect it to do? |
| 15:37.45 | rahul | list the kernel versions. you said to do it :P |
| 15:37.56 | stew | rahul: i was trying to point you to the option in the manpage |
| 15:38.14 | undesktop | how many hours does a kernel build on a 400mhz P2 take? |
| 15:38.16 | rahul | it doesn't say anything about using something else with it |
| 15:38.23 | undesktop | maybe two? |
| 15:38.30 | rahul | why can't this be simple like make-kpkg |
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| 15:38.43 | stew | rahul: if you don't give it a command it starts the front end |
| 15:39.22 | larsl | Is it common that the internet connection dies when you upgrade network-manager? |
| 15:39.32 | rahul | wtf. so what command should I use with something that IS itself a command? |
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| 15:39.48 | stew | rahul: which command are you talking about? |
| 15:39.51 | klim_ | what cmd will show the file is hard link? |
| 15:40.00 | rahul | stew: -l |
| 15:40.08 | stew | rahul: -l isn't a command |
| 15:40.16 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: no public key |
| 15:40.16 | dpkg_ | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 15:40.23 | rahul | oh, I _give_ it a list |
| 15:40.24 | xand | klim_: ls -l |
| 15:40.36 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: etch key? |
| 15:40.36 | dpkg_ | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 15:40.42 | hackmiester[LT] | thank you dpkg |
| 15:40.43 | dpkg_ | no worries, hackmiester[LT] |
| 15:40.53 | rahul | what is KVERS? |
| 15:41.00 | xand | klim_: the number after permissions is how many links to the file... if it's > 1, then there's more than one hard link. |
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| 15:41.25 | stew | rahul: the output of "uname -r" afaik |
| 15:41.27 | rahul | why does this have to be so damn different from make-kpkg? |
| 15:42.04 | rahul | what is the point of making something that's incompatible with make-kpkg? I used to be able to do this all in one command. |
| 15:42.04 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: bts? |
| 15:42.04 | dpkg_ | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:42.11 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg won't respond to my /msg sorry for the spam :( |
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| 15:42.44 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: /msg dpkg_ foo |
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| 15:42.53 | hackmiester[LT] | stew: dpkg_ is ignoring me too |
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| 15:43.27 | hark | not identified |
| 15:43.34 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: you could "/msg nickserv set unfiltered on" (or /msg nickserv help set unfiltered) |
| 15:43.46 | hackmiester[LT] | thanks hark |
| 15:43.50 | hackmiester[LT] | wait |
| 15:43.55 | hackmiester[LT] | I am identified, no thanks hark :P |
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| 15:44.08 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: dpkg_ isn't, /msg nickserv help set unfiltered |
| 15:44.17 | hackmiester[LT] | Oh that. |
| 15:44.22 | hackmiester[LT] | Ok thanks :) |
| 15:44.39 | vluid | Hello, where can i find the options with which the debian packages where compiled (build options) |
| 15:44.41 | hackmiester[LT] | what's wrong with dpkg anyway? |
| 15:44.41 | vluid | ? |
| 15:45.16 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: she needs to be restarted to grab her old nick back, but her owner is not currently available |
| 15:45.23 | hackmiester[LT] | ah ok |
| 15:45.27 | SerajewelKS | yeah uhm, maxima has some bugs in etch |
| 15:45.35 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't depend on some things it needs |
| 15:45.47 | rahul | SerajewelKS: like what? |
| 15:46.05 | SerajewelKS | rahul: like libgmp3c2 |
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| 15:46.25 | rahul | hmm. not sure if Camm IRCs |
| 15:46.44 | vluid | nobody an idea? |
| 15:46.45 | SerajewelKS | wtf, it does depend on libgmp3c2 |
| 15:46.50 | SerajewelKS | why the hell was it not installed |
| 15:46.57 | rahul | I dont see that dep |
| 15:47.12 | markybob | vluid: look in the source. apt-get source foo |
| 15:47.13 | rahul | the newer version does... |
| 15:47.27 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 15:47.33 | rahul | the one in unstable is fixed |
| 15:47.35 | SerajewelKS | yeah the version in etch doesn't depend on anything |
| 15:47.49 | rahul | well, it depends on SOME stuff :P |
| 15:47.51 | SerajewelKS | you'd think this would have been an RC bug |
| 15:47.56 | SerajewelKS | in etch |
| 15:47.57 | hackmiester[LT] | Any way I can make my machine boot faster? It's for a car PC. |
| 15:48.06 | abrotman | holy crap annoying nick |
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| 15:48.31 | rahul | SerajewelKS: yeah... |
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| 15:48.54 | markybob | hackmiester[LT]: google. guides are everywhere |
| 15:49.14 | earthian_ | can somebody configure a kernel for tyan thunder k8we (s2895) with 64 GB RAM support for me? |
| 15:49.19 | hackmiester[LT] | markybob: I'm doing that currently... that's hte problem. do you recommend one? |
| 15:49.25 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: change the /bin/sh symlink to dash |
| 15:49.38 | hackmiester[LT] | ok stew |
| 15:49.46 | rahul | earthian_: for you? no... |
| 15:49.53 | rahul | earthian_: hire a sysadmin |
| 15:50.06 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: or suspend to disk |
| 15:50.11 | rahul | if you have 64 GB, you can hire someone... like stoned :) |
| 15:50.21 | earthian_ | heh. i have 4 gigs |
| 15:50.25 | markybob | hackmiester[LT]: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-initng/ |
| 15:50.29 | earthian_ | but current kernel sees only 2gigs |
| 15:50.35 | dalias | screw suspend to disk |
| 15:50.36 | earthian_ | sees=uses * |
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| 15:50.39 | dalias | use suspend to memory :) |
| 15:50.45 | hackmiester[LT] | hrm, that's interesting. thanks markybob |
| 15:51.07 | hackmiester[LT] | Whoah!!! E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 15:51.18 | hackmiester[LT] | How the hell can true return an error code? |
| 15:51.39 | alexander1 | hahah |
| 15:52.27 | hackmiester[LT] | wow dash is really fast lol |
| 15:52.44 | vluid | markybob: thank, but i haven´t found the config options |
| 15:53.02 | markybob | vluid: it's in debian/rules in the source |
| 15:53.37 | vluid | markybob: thanks. i found them :-) |
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| 15:54.11 | VImtermute | oy |
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| 15:56.21 | hackmiester[LT] | How am I supposed to disable services from running on startup? With update-rc.d? |
| 15:56.42 | markybob | yes. man update-rc.d |
| 15:56.44 | cydork | hackmiester[LT]: yes. also check rcconf |
| 15:56.45 | markybob | or use rcconf |
| 15:56.54 | hackmiester[LT] | thank you |
| 15:57.27 | loca|host | !d-i |
| 15:57.27 | dpkg_ | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 15:57.39 | hackmiester[LT] | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 15:57.44 | hackmiester[LT] | I can't be the only one getting that. |
| 15:57.51 | SerajewelKS | hackmiester[LT]: aptitude update |
| 15:58.03 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: /msg dpkg no public key (/topic) |
| 15:58.06 | hackmiester[LT] | I'm not using aptitude, but I apt-get update and it did absolutely nothign to fix that |
| 15:58.18 | hackmiester[LT] | stew: I did that, that's what brought up dpkg being messed |
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| 15:58.28 | hackmiester[LT] | it didn't help, that package was up to date |
| 15:58.50 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: what key is it complaining about? |
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| 15:59.00 | hackmiester[LT] | I'm not sure, I have both that dpkg mentions in that memo |
| 15:59.08 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: then aptitude update |
| 15:59.20 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: or tell us what key it is complainint about |
| 15:59.20 | Fuwex | I'm running Nessus towards my system to try to fix any flaws in my security, and I keep getting this: It was possible to crash either the remote host or the firewall in between us and the remote host by sending an UDP packet of null size going to port 161 (snmp) - I've blocked all ports apart from 22 and 80 through iptables, yet I get this - any idea why? |
| 15:59.22 | hackmiester[LT] | aptitude. I'm not using aptitude, should I be? I did an apt-get update |
| 15:59.44 | dashs | Why does 'qiv' for debian not support the root window options (-x, --root)?? |
| 15:59.45 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: that should also fix it. yes you should be: /msg dpkg_ why aptitude |
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| 16:00.19 | hackmiester[LT] | no response stew |
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| 16:00.49 | markybob | Fuwex: think about what it is you said |
| 16:01.05 | stew | !why aptitude |
| 16:01.14 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: why aptitude? |
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| 16:01.24 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: no public key |
| 16:01.26 | stew | ravenbird: why aptitude |
| 16:01.27 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, stew |
| 16:01.31 | hackmiester[LT] | it's not working :( |
| 16:02.04 | hackmiester[LT] | doesn't respond to ping |
| 16:02.04 | hackmiester[LT] | this is not good |
| 16:02.05 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg is never down |
| 16:02.05 | hackmiester[LT] | :(((( |
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| 16:02.35 | hackmiester[LT] | ooh, rcconf looks like ass over ssh |
| 16:02.35 | SerajewelKS | hackmiester[LT]: it's down quite a bit actually |
| 16:02.35 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: what key is apt-get complaining about? |
| 16:02.38 | hackmiester[LT] | oh I guess I have good timing then SerajewelKS |
| 16:02.43 | hackmiester[LT] | hold on let me install something |
| 16:03.10 | undesktop | what compiler is usualy used to compile debian kernels? |
| 16:03.10 | FuzzyB | gcc |
| 16:03.12 | hackmiester[LT] | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 16:03.14 | hackmiester[LT] | I just get that |
| 16:03.15 | undesktop | FuzzyB: ahahaha |
| 16:03.22 | undesktop | FuzzyB: sure, but what version? |
| 16:03.26 | FuzzyB | oh hell |
| 16:03.29 | stew | undesktop: cat /proc/version |
| 16:03.30 | FuzzyB | i think 4.1 |
| 16:03.32 | FuzzyB | for etch |
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| 16:03.50 | hackmiester[LT] | (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) |
| 16:03.50 | undesktop | stew: aw... thanks |
| 16:04.00 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: put the output of "apt-get update" and the command you are typing along with its output into a pastebin |
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| 16:05.01 | enouf | hackmiester[LT]: again? .. wtf? |
| 16:05.01 | FuzzyB | why did debian stabilize around a prerelease gcc? |
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| 16:07.35 | hackmiester[LT] | Ubuntu is an ancient African word, meaning "I can't configure Debian." |
| 16:07.35 | FuzzyB | no wonder it took so long |
| 16:07.35 | hackmiester[LT] | haha enouf |
| 16:07.35 | FuzzyB | hahahahaha |
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| 16:07.35 | juice` | i've put 4GB of ram to my linux and top is showing 'Mem: 3368928k total' , is it normal? |
| 16:07.35 | FuzzyB | ur funny |
| 16:07.35 | juice` | i have 4GB memory support turned on |
| 16:07.36 | FuzzyB | well lets see |
| 16:07.36 | earthian_ | juice`, it is more normal than for me :/ |
| 16:07.37 | FuzzyB | i have 6gb of ram in my machine |
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| 16:07.37 | enouf | juice`: you likely need a -bigmem kernel |
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| 16:07.37 | FuzzyB | or you can just run 64bit |
| 16:07.37 | CoolCubix | Hi, I heard there is a way to make NumLock key act as Alt key, where should I watch ? |
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| 16:07.38 | FuzzyB | that's key remaping |
| 16:07.39 | FuzzyB | and i forget what does it off the top of my head |
| 16:07.39 | adaro | oh my/join #java |
| 16:07.39 | juice` | i dont understand, i have 32bit, why would i need 64bit ? |
| 16:07.39 | hackmiester[LT] | http://pastebin.ca/438370 stew |
| 16:07.39 | enouf | !xmodmap |
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| 16:07.39 | adaro | oops |
| 16:07.39 | FuzzyB | because in 64bit we don't have that 4gb limitation |
| 16:07.40 | juice` | but i don't have more than 4gb... and it shows 3 Mem: 3368928k total |
| 16:07.40 | earthian_ | i would run 64bit kernel IF i would be able to use nvidia drviers from nvidia.com with it and 32bit userspace as i need to have flash, wine and skype |
| 16:07.40 | enouf | !keymap |
| 16:07.40 | hackmiester[LT] | juice`: that is normal. |
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| 16:07.40 | juice` | i'm guessting Mem: 3368928k total is only 3GB |
| 16:07.42 | hackmiester[LT] | wait no it's not, that's like 3.25G |
| 16:07.42 | enouf | dpkg hello |
| 16:07.42 | hackmiester[LT] | that's odd |
| 16:07.42 | FuzzyB | earthian_: i understand |
| 16:07.43 | juice` | exactly |
| 16:07.46 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg's down enouf |
| 16:07.46 | enouf | she's dead jim |
| 16:07.47 | wlan0 | hello there |
| 16:07.50 | hackmiester[LT] | lol |
| 16:07.53 | FuzzyB | juice`: have an onboard video card? |
| 16:08.00 | juice` | nope |
| 16:08.03 | hackmiester[LT] | hi wlan0. |
| 16:08.11 | wlan0 | hi hackmeister :) |
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| 16:08.24 | bytekode | just use a smp or bigmem kernel |
| 16:08.27 | hackmiester[LT] | wait... wlan0! you're my old cisco NIC!!! long time no see. |
| 16:08.33 | wlan0 | do you know if i can install Etch only |
| 16:08.40 | juice` | SMP is turned on |
| 16:08.44 | hackmiester[LT] | what do you mean, wlan0 |
| 16:08.45 | wlan0 | with the first 2 DVD ? |
| 16:08.48 | hackmiester[LT] | oh |
| 16:09.00 | juice` | i dont know how to use bigmem, and o i really need it? |
| 16:09.03 | hackmiester[LT] | you can install it with only 1 cd... just do minimal packages |
| 16:09.06 | earthian_ | i use SMP kernel but i still see 2 gigs of memory |
| 16:09.09 | FuzzyB | juice`: probally |
| 16:09.10 | wlan0 | ok |
| 16:09.13 | enouf | CoolCubix: hang a minute |
| 16:09.13 | earthian_ | out of 4 gigs total |
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| 16:09.23 | hackmiester[LT] | you can install the rest with apt-get later, wlan0 |
| 16:09.29 | juice` | how can i turn it on? |
| 16:09.32 | wlan0 | so with 2dvds it will be ok. thanks hackmeister |
| 16:09.37 | FuzzyB | juice`: apt get the kernel |
| 16:09.39 | hackmiester[LT] | wlan0: with the businesscard cd you can even install teh whole thing over the internet :) |
| 16:09.41 | wlan0 | another question |
| 16:09.49 | juice` | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 16:09.56 | juice` | this is what my current kernel has |
| 16:09.58 | stew | hackmiester[LT]: is gnupg installed? |
| 16:10.09 | cahoot | earthian_: grep -i highmem /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:10.14 | wlan0 | Do Etch needs more RAM / PROC than Sarge ? |
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| 16:10.18 | hackmiester[LT] | stew: gnupg is already the newest version. |
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| 16:10.26 | FuzzyB | wlan0: i doubt it |
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| 16:10.32 | FuzzyB | i highty doubt it |
| 16:10.32 | hackmiester[LT] | not by mouch, wlan0 |
| 16:10.35 | wlan0 | Sarge runs fine on my old Celeron 700 + 128 mb of RAM |
| 16:10.35 | hackmiester[LT] | not by much* |
| 16:10.42 | hackmiester[LT] | oh 128 you'll be fine |
| 16:10.44 | juice` | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y and CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 16:10.45 | wlan0 | with IceWM |
| 16:10.48 | enouf | CoolCubix: some things are xmodmap, console-data, xev, showkey, setxkbmap, loadkeys .. but see this too http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
| 16:10.49 | juice` | are output |
| 16:11.05 | juice` | so i have bigmem or anything, and still not working |
| 16:11.06 | wlan0 | i will be fine with 128 ? |
| 16:11.08 | hackmiester[LT] | hell, I've got one box with 32M ram with etch on it... no GUI though |
| 16:11.10 | hackmiester[LT] | yes you will :) |
| 16:11.10 | CoolCubix | enouf> thanks, i give a look |
| 16:11.12 | wlan0 | cool :) |
| 16:11.16 | enouf | juice`: you need 64GB=y |
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| 16:11.22 | hackmiester[LT] | enouf: 64???? |
| 16:11.24 | hackmiester[LT] | lol |
| 16:11.38 | hackmiester[LT] | overkill there right? |
| 16:11.41 | juice` | that might be true |
| 16:11.46 | juice` | because 1GB is reserved |
| 16:11.49 | enouf | hackmiester[LT]: nope . |
| 16:11.55 | hackmiester[LT] | lol ok... |
| 16:11.55 | wlan0 | Do here anyone got Netgear WG111v2 |
| 16:11.55 | juice` | but kernel documentation says something different |
| 16:11.58 | SerajewelKS | !ep |
| 16:12.07 | SerajewelKS | damn you dpkg |
| 16:12.10 | enouf | juice`: make sure yu BIOS has the memhole remapping enabled |
| 16:12.15 | FuzzyB | hackmiester[LT]: the next step after 4 is 64 |
| 16:12.15 | hackmiester[LT] | wlan0: is that a PCI card? I can't remember if I have it. |
| 16:12.15 | juice` | enouf: that was my susspion, that i need 64, but i dont know why |
| 16:12.19 | enouf | er s/yu/your |
| 16:12.27 | hackmiester[LT] | FuzzyB: oh. ok, I like nver config kernels lol |
| 16:12.30 | juice` | enouf: is it even an option in AWARD BIOSes ? |
| 16:12.33 | enouf | juice`: ask Linus |
| 16:12.48 | wlan0 | whats the command to launch weechat ? |
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| 16:12.51 | juice` | enouf: he might be busy |
| 16:12.56 | SerajewelKS | ravenbird: lol |
| 16:12.57 | FuzzyB | hackmiester[LT]: i've spent way to much time at intel trying to explain to them why they needed the different kernels for their own crap |
| 16:12.57 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 16:12.58 | hackmiester[LT] | juice`: might? :) |
| 16:13.05 | earthian_ | !error |
| 16:13.07 | SerajewelKS | hackmiester[LT]: see ravenbird ^^^ |
| 16:13.10 | earthian_ | >_< |
| 16:13.10 | enouf | juice`: you should look at your BIOS settings carefully |
| 16:13.24 | hackmiester[LT] | haha FuzzyB... nice |
| 16:13.26 | FuzzyB | enouf: i thought it might have been an onboard video card takin the ram up |
| 16:13.28 | earthian_ | enouf, where should i look? my BIOS is ok |
| 16:13.29 | hackmiester[LT] | SerajewelKS: uh, no? :P |
| 16:13.32 | earthian_ | :S |
| 16:13.41 | earthian_ | juice`, what kernel do you have? |
| 16:13.43 | enouf | juice`: and go grab the -bigmem Debian kernel, if you can't resolve it |
| 16:13.52 | ms_ | Is there any unofficial debian iso images that has drivers like et131x or drivers for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG? |
| 16:13.55 | SerajewelKS | hackmiester[LT]: shrug, your choice to look retarded... |
| 16:13.57 | juice` | earthian_: i'm afraid to say, because you will tell me it's kernel's fault |
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| 16:15.15 | FuzzyB | i've got an dual quad core |
| 16:15.24 | VolkerH | hi |
| 16:15.27 | FuzzyB | dual intel xeon x5355's |
| 16:15.29 | wlan0 | an dual quad core ? |
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| 16:15.33 | hackmiester[LT] | SerajewelKS: oh, the z/s thing. it's an American English discrepancy |
| 16:15.33 | wlan0 | woot ! |
| 16:15.36 | FuzzyB | yea 8 logical procs |
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| 16:15.38 | jelly | SerajewelKS: wtf cares about british/american spelling differences? |
| 16:15.43 | ms_ | wlan0: I'm not sure how.@ |
| 16:15.45 | FuzzyB | 6gb of fb dimms @ 1.3 ghz |
| 16:15.47 | wlan0 | here a celeron 700... |
| 16:15.54 | FuzzyB | and 6 500gb sata 2 seagates |
| 16:15.56 | wlan0 | :( |
| 16:16.00 | hackmiester[LT] | FuzzyB: and here I sit with 512 M RAM |
| 16:16.02 | dashs | Is there a quick way to change from UTF-8 to ISO-8xxxx? |
| 16:16.03 | enouf | FuzzyB: 1 http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=116890708931667&w=2 |
| 16:16.26 | enouf | FuzzyB: 2 http://marc.info/?l=freebsd-amd64&m=111222380900987&w=2 |
| 16:16.34 | dalias | dashs, iconv -t ISO-8859-1 < orig_file > latin1_file |
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| 16:16.49 | hackmiester[LT] | ugh debian hates me |
| 16:16.58 | hackmiester[LT] | oh well, I won't verify my packages. |
| 16:17.24 | wlan0 | does anyone know interactive scripting ? |
| 16:17.34 | enouf | FuzzyB: follow the 1st one all the way though .. the 2nd talks more about the issue .. I think only Fedora's Xen kernel does PAE for 4GB plus .. unless that's been worked out .. but I know that was an issue not too long ago for whatever reason .. |
| 16:17.34 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i figure while we're splitting hairs... |
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| 16:17.45 | FuzzyB | well see |
| 16:17.51 | FuzzyB | i'm in 64 bit land |
| 16:17.59 | FuzzyB | amd64 all the way so i don't have PAE in my way |
| 16:18.00 | enouf | ahh |
| 16:18.20 | hackmiester[LT] | what do you mean by that wlan0 |
| 16:18.20 | FuzzyB | but every time i install xen-iommu i lose my net |
| 16:18.20 | jelly | FuzzyB: is that like lala land? |
| 16:18.20 | hackmiester[LT] | yes jelly |
| 16:18.20 | FuzzyB | what PAE? |
| 16:18.22 | FuzzyB | it's a joke |
| 16:18.25 | hackmiester[LT] | no, 64 bit land |
| 16:18.29 | FuzzyB | oh |
| 16:18.33 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 16:18.44 | FuzzyB | yea la la la what am i going to do with all this time on my hands now? |
| 16:18.46 | tarzeau | openssl is not in debian etch anymore? |
| 16:18.49 | hackmiester[LT] | slightly off topic: XM radio owns |
| 16:19.06 | tarzeau | i mean the library |
| 16:19.15 | hackmiester[LT] | isn't it? o_O |
| 16:19.24 | cydork | tarzeau: libssl? |
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| 16:19.37 | jelly | !info libssl0.9.8 etch |
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| 16:19.49 | hackmiester[LT] | jelly BUT TEH DPKG IS DOWN D: |
| 16:19.54 | tarzeau | cydork: ok... it was renamed hm |
| 16:19.55 | jelly | `!info libssl0.9.8 etch |
| 16:19.57 | jelly | ~info libssl0.9.8 etch |
| 16:19.57 | hackmiester[LT] | THis whole channel falls apart without its bot |
| 16:20.06 | h3sp4wn | I cannot understand why openssl is not in non-free |
| 16:20.09 | enouf | FuzzyB: are you experiencing data corruption? |
| 16:20.14 | azeem | h3sp4wn: eh? |
| 16:20.18 | FuzzyB | no complete loss |
| 16:20.19 | stew | h3sp4wn: becuase it is free |
| 16:20.21 | enouf | FuzzyB: you never said what was wrong |
| 16:20.23 | FuzzyB | one sec enou |
| 16:20.27 | FuzzyB | i'll bring you up to speed |
| 16:20.30 | FuzzyB | let me finish reading |
| 16:20.38 | h3sp4wn | stew: But its license seems to go against the DFSG |
| 16:20.46 | stew | h3sp4wn: which part? |
| 16:20.47 | azeem | h3sp4wn: how so? |
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| 16:21.06 | h3sp4wn | stew: The part about derivative works |
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| 16:21.15 | gonzaloaf_work | off topic: do you know where can I buy a laptop without OS or with gnu/linux? |
| 16:21.40 | h3sp4wn | stew: Its use is restricted because of the advertising clause |
| 16:22.02 | ms_ | Where can I find unofficial iso images that has additional drivers for networkscards? My NIC isn't supported by the default installation cd. |
| 16:22.14 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 16:22.15 | azeem | ms_: which version of Debain? |
| 16:22.35 | ms_ | azeem: that doesn't mather, I just need to get the nic loaded and installation going. |
| 16:22.37 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf_work: which country? |
| 16:22.46 | azeem | ms_: eh, why doesn't it matter? |
| 16:22.58 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf_work: apple sells laptops withtout ms windows... but os x .. |
| 16:23.04 | azeem | ms_: it matters if you're trying with the wrong version, for instance |
| 16:23.06 | FuzzyB | ok so enouf : i'm running etch/amd64 on a 8 way xeon machine with 6gb ram. I've been trying to get deb installed with xen over the past week using raid 6 / lvm / crypto. crypto failed, i found the etch bug as to why it won't be fixed either. and every time i would install xen -iommu i would lose 100% of my networking to the dom0 and the domU's. When I reinstalled, and didn't install the iommu package everything works fine |
| 16:23.09 | ms_ | azeem: latest version then. I can just upgrade after the installation is finished. |
| 16:23.16 | FuzzyB | but it took me almost 5 days to track it down to that |
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| 16:23.34 | ms_ | azeem: I just need an installation image that has my NIC drivers pr. default. |
| 16:23.35 | azeem | ms_: there's no unofficial isos then |
| 16:23.35 | FuzzyB | and everyone claims that xen-iommu is being used to make dma over 4gb in pae systems |
| 16:23.43 | enouf | [12:12:53] <FuzzyB> 6gb of fb dimms @ 1.3 ghz <-- right .. Intel .. that's what i thought .. so AMD64 only issues don't apply |
| 16:23.44 | FuzzyB | from what i read |
| 16:23.44 | teclo | Hello, I'm still getting this: |
| 16:23.45 | azeem | ms_: you didn't even say which nic |
| 16:23.47 | teclo | Getting: dists/etch/updates/Release.gpg... ok |
| 16:23.47 | teclo | gpg: Signature made Tue Apr 10 04:51:35 2007 CEST using DSA key ID 6070D3A1 |
| 16:23.48 | h3sp4wn | stew: Same reason the original bsd license is considered non-free |
| 16:23.49 | teclo | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 16:23.50 | FuzzyB | enouf: yes and no |
| 16:23.51 | teclo | Release signature does not verify. |
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| 16:24.13 | FuzzyB | enouf: iommu's could exist in anything with an agp controller aparently |
| 16:24.18 | gonzaloaf_work | tarzeau, USA |
| 16:24.29 | ms_ | azeem: the et131x driver or the Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card. But the et131x driver is the important one. |
| 16:24.29 | FuzzyB | tthey just seem to have found a nasty with the nvidia stuff |
| 16:24.36 | gonzaloaf_work | tarzeau, I mean x86 laptops |
| 16:24.45 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf_work: yeah apple laptops are x86 laptops |
| 16:24.48 | teclo | and I *did* do this: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 16:24.51 | cydork | gonzaloaf_work: contact your local lug? |
| 16:25.03 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf_work: they don't have powerpc anymore i think |
| 16:25.05 | FuzzyB | what about mac lappies? |
| 16:25.09 | stew | h3sp4wn: which part of the dfsg does the advertising clause violate? |
| 16:25.13 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: they're great |
| 16:25.14 | gonzaloaf_work | tarzeau, ohh really there are not using risc processor anymore rigth |
| 16:25.20 | FuzzyB | <-- is on a 17" mbp right now |
| 16:25.27 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf_work: for quite some time, now |
| 16:25.31 | FuzzyB | yea |
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| 16:25.44 | FuzzyB | for almost 2 years now i think |
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| 16:25.55 | VolkerH | whats the correct kernel module for the "nVidia Corporation MCP04 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)"? |
| 16:26.01 | rittyan | Hi all, I have a question. Google says that etch should have bci compiled in into freetype. Is it really true? I can't see it work |
| 16:26.03 | FuzzyB | ac_97? |
| 16:26.06 | enouf | FuzzyB: i realize the iommu stuff.. i said AMD64 only issues like the mem controller ondie and the memhole issue |
| 16:26.15 | earthian_ | can somebody help me? I have a problem. dpkg-reconfigure does not detect my monitor and graphics card corectly. what could be wrong? |
| 16:26.15 | FuzzyB | yea |
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| 16:26.43 | FuzzyB | earthian_: set it up yourself? |
| 16:26.46 | omha | hey |
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| 16:26.51 | enouf | FuzzyB: do you know if it's finna;ly been narrowed down to the nVidia Chipset? |
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| 16:27.03 | omha | how can i give users access to read/write to a folder |
| 16:27.04 | omha | ? |
| 16:27.20 | VolkerH | whats the correct kernel module for the "nVidia Corporation MCP04 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)"? |
| 16:27.20 | SerajewelKS | omha: chmod 777 |
| 16:27.21 | xand | omha: chmod |
| 16:27.25 | FuzzyB | enouf: no i don't, but i do have an amd64 opteron that's nvidia/msi and i'm really curious if i'd see the problem there |
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| 16:27.30 | enouf | FuzzyB: the iommu=soft issue and losing RAM |
| 16:27.31 | JoyFM | hi |
| 16:27.32 | FuzzyB | VolkerH: ac_97 |
| 16:27.39 | VolkerH | thx |
| 16:27.42 | JoyFM | why is no pppoeconfig on the etch net inst? |
| 16:27.43 | enouf | BTW FuzzyB FuzzyB: BTW .. how's those DIMMs .. I'm really wantng to know if they worked out the way i thought when I first saw the JEDEC spec for FB-DIMMs |
| 16:27.49 | FuzzyB | fast |
| 16:27.49 | wols_ | VolkerH: ac97 |
| 16:27.52 | FuzzyB | omg fast |
| 16:28.00 | FuzzyB | they get hot though |
| 16:28.05 | enouf | AND Buffered/Registered ;-) |
| 16:28.08 | FuzzyB | oh yes |
| 16:28.09 | enouf | ouch |
| 16:28.10 | VolkerH | volker@volker-debian:~$ sudo modprobe ac97 |
| 16:28.10 | VolkerH | FATAL: Module ac97 not found. |
| 16:28.11 | FuzzyB | micron |
| 16:28.15 | FuzzyB | ac_97 |
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| 16:28.15 | enouf | yep |
| 16:28.15 | JoyFM | or is it possible to install etch with a pppoe connection? |
| 16:28.16 | VolkerH | wols_, FuzzyB :( |
| 16:28.20 | FuzzyB | learn to read |
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| 16:29.09 | JoyFM | is pppoe on the first install disk of etch? |
| 16:29.09 | cahoot | VolkerH: I' try snd-intel8x0 or snd-hda-intel |
| 16:29.31 | earthian_ | JoyFM, pppoe was on my install |
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| 16:29.42 | FuzzyB | it should be ac_97 |
| 16:29.43 | VolkerH | cahoot, hmm... /dev/dsp still isnt created |
| 16:29.45 | FuzzyB | with the underscore |
| 16:29.46 | JoyFM | install disk 1 ? @ earthian_ |
| 16:29.51 | JoyFM | or netinst? |
| 16:29.51 | cahoot | VolkerH: etch? |
| 16:29.54 | omg0 | what's the equivalent of an .exe file? I am trying to find the executable for VLC |
| 16:29.58 | valdyn | !wayttd VolkerH |
| 16:29.58 | VolkerH | cahoot, lenny |
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| 16:30.06 | earthian_ | JoyFM, netinstall disk |
| 16:30.06 | JoyFM | omg0: vlc |
| 16:30.08 | jelly | !which module for audio |
| 16:30.08 | VolkerH | volker@volker-debian:~$ sudo modprobe ac_97 |
| 16:30.09 | VolkerH | FATAL: Module ac_97 not found. |
| 16:30.13 | valdyn | VolkerH: why the hell are you manually loading random modules for pci devices? |
| 16:30.14 | FuzzyB | wtf |
| 16:30.18 | JoyFM | earthian_: how is the program named? |
| 16:30.20 | cahoot | VolkerH: then install alsa-utils and run dkpg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 16:30.22 | jelly | valdyn: oh yeah, bot is dead |
| 16:30.25 | VolkerH | valdyn, it wasnt automatical recognized |
| 16:30.27 | stew | omg0: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 16:30.28 | enouf | jelly: she's incapacitated it seems |
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| 16:30.30 | earthian_ | JoyFM, pppoeconf |
| 16:30.38 | JoyFM | no it isn't on the cd |
| 16:30.47 | jelly | ~test |
| 16:31.06 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 16:31.21 | quitte_ | JoyFM have a look at the installation instructions |
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| 16:31.24 | JoyFM | i installed the base system but no pppoeconfig is installed |
| 16:31.28 | JoyFM | during the installtion there is no pppoeconfig too (in the VT's) |
| 16:31.31 | VolkerH | cahoot, still no /dev/dsp |
| 16:31.47 | valdyn | VolkerH: it not being automagically recongnised can be because you have no udev or hotplug or discover or because its not supported by your kernel. |
| 16:31.54 | valdyn | VolkerH: alsa does not need /dev/dsp |
| 16:31.57 | cahoot | VolkerH: does yes ª palay produce sound or error? |
| 16:32.01 | omg0 | JoyFM, stew: Thanks |
| 16:32.15 | cahoot | VolkerH: sorry yes | aplay |
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| 16:32.38 | VolkerH | volker@volker-debian:~$ yes | aplay |
| 16:32.39 | VolkerH | Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
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| 16:32.45 | VolkerH | but i dont hear anything |
| 16:32.46 | JoyFM | earthian_: i downloaded it with torrent |
| 16:32.47 | stickybit` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.50 | JoyFM | is that the problem? |
| 16:32.52 | quitte_ | JoyFM: pppoeconf should be available with the media you used |
| 16:32.55 | valdyn | VolkerH: so turn up your volume |
| 16:33.01 | VolkerH | valdyn, i did.. |
| 16:33.03 | quitte_ | JoyFM: probably on the first cd/dvd |
| 16:33.07 | cahoot | VolkerH: start alsamixer, unmute and set levels |
| 16:33.10 | valdyn | VolkerH: ...and unmute channels |
| 16:33.10 | hark | JoyFM: read the install guide |
| 16:33.11 | earthian_ | JoyFM, i do not know. it was on my cd. i downloaded it with torrents too. |
| 16:33.23 | JoyFM | grml |
| 16:33.27 | earthian_ | it is called pppoeconf exactly, not pppoeconfig |
| 16:33.29 | stickybit` | !qmail , squirrel mail, zimbra , Meldware .... which one is good mail server? |
| 16:33.31 | enouf | there's a 1) /sound/oss/ac97_codec.ko (OSS) 2) sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko 3) sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-bus.ko |
| 16:33.41 | JoyFM | earthian_: that doesn't matter |
| 16:33.46 | valdyn | ... but no one needs to manually load any of these |
| 16:33.47 | petemc | stickybit`: exim4 that comes with debian is good |
| 16:33.48 | JoyFM | i used <tab> |
| 16:33.55 | earthian_ | apt-get install pppoeconf ? |
| 16:33.58 | earthian_ | or so? |
| 16:34.01 | quitte_ | heh |
| 16:34.07 | earthian_ | check for it in your CDrom |
| 16:34.16 | JoyFM | < earthian_> apt-get install pppoeconf ? |
| 16:34.19 | stickybit` | petemc: but it dosent support pop3 |
| 16:34.21 | JoyFM | without network |
| 16:34.22 | JoyFM | ? |
| 16:34.32 | earthian_ | yes with cd |
| 16:34.34 | quitte_ | JoyFM: you installed from cd? |
| 16:34.36 | minus | Is it possible to get the console to automaticly dedect that im using it as a calc.. I mean, i can just start the console and type e.g. 5/5.. |
| 16:34.36 | petemc | stickybit`: no, its a mta, not a pop3d |
| 16:34.41 | VolkerH | works! |
| 16:34.44 | VolkerH | thanks! |
| 16:34.49 | ms_ | Is there a boot cd that contains the et131x driver? |
| 16:34.49 | quitte_ | JoyFM: just ter the command and see what happens |
| 16:34.57 | quitte_ | s/ter/entr |
| 16:34.59 | quitte_ | grrr |
| 16:35.24 | valdyn | VolkerH: now if you _really_ need /dev/dsp then you would modprobe snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss, BUT the better solution is to let every app use alsa directly instead |
| 16:35.33 | VolkerH | ok |
| 16:35.40 | VolkerH | everything works now....thx!! |
| 16:36.07 | cahoot | valdyn: should that be enabled by default at install? bug in lenny? |
| 16:36.30 | VolkerH | cu |
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| 16:36.50 | valdyn | cahoot: should what? |
| 16:37.03 | artagnon | What's the current unstable called? |
| 16:37.04 | valdyn | cahoot: that applications use alsa? |
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| 16:37.37 | quitte_ | artagnon: sid. and it will always be |
| 16:37.38 | cahoot | valdyn: in my exoerience oss emulation was/is enabled by default in etch |
| 16:37.47 | artagnon | quitte_: Thank you |
| 16:38.22 | earthian_ | am I doing OK on installing new kernel: enable sid sources (deb-src) in sources.list then apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 and then apt-get source linux-image-2.6.20-1-k5 ? |
| 16:38.28 | valdyn | cahoot: yea it is, if you go the proper route via alsaconf / installing the proper alsa packages etc |
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| 16:38.49 | valdyn | cahoot: i guess his issue realy was only the volume... |
| 16:39.05 | dashs | dalias: sorry, I mean for representation in term windows. I'm getting these weird boxes there, thought that would fix it. |
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| 16:39.32 | cahoot | valdyn: probably but that *also* is managed correctly by etch insteller |
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| 16:39.51 | valdyn | cahoot: oh, etch installer turns volume up? i didn't know. |
| 16:40.09 | artagnon | Where is software like the newest fluxbox (1.0rc available)? I already checked Lenny and Etch and they only have versions over 1 year old. Should I check sid? |
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| 16:40.33 | hark | earthian_: eh, just get it from backports? |
| 16:40.36 | valdyn | artagnon: do you have a reason why the 1 year old versions doesnt work for you? |
| 16:40.43 | siachris | Anyone know what Virtual Machine works well to run MSWindows with Debian? I have Etch. |
| 16:40.52 | quitte_ | siachris: qemu |
| 16:41.06 | artagnon | valdyn: It works fine for me but the wiki refers to the newest and so does the support on fluxbox |
| 16:41.07 | siachris | righteous! |
| 16:41.11 | artagnon | on #fluxbox |
| 16:41.32 | siachris | Thanks quitte_ |
| 16:41.36 | quitte_ | artagnon: you could try getting help here first |
| 16:41.41 | jelly | siachris: vmware-server works for me, but it's not free software and has restrictions on usage |
| 16:41.45 | valdyn | artagnon: sure, that's what all app-specific forums do, but that does not make it a good idea to be on the bleeding edge |
| 16:41.56 | artagnon | quitte_: :) I like to have what everyone else does |
| 16:42.15 | enouf | sheeple? |
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| 16:42.19 | helo | i'm pretty sure the answer is 'no', but is there a program for X11 that functions similarly to 'screen' for terminals? |
| 16:42.22 | siachris | jelly: I'm trying to run a single program (SAM2) for my internet radio station |
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| 16:42.28 | artagnon | valdyn: Not always, but I'm willing to risk it, this is only a personal desktop and my data is backed up |
| 16:42.41 | stew | helo: ratpoison or ion3 |
| 16:42.53 | valdyn | helo: no |
| 16:43.00 | quitte_ | does fluxbox happen to be the wm that might become non-free? |
| 16:43.09 | jelly | siachris: just one application? maybe it could work in wine |
| 16:43.15 | dos000 | is there some hacky way to tell the kernel to store the dmesg kernel logs on a local file ? i am having some network driver issues and the server is in a remote place |
| 16:43.17 | artagnon | quitte_: Never |
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| 16:43.28 | siachris | where would I get wine? I've only heard of it before. |
| 16:43.30 | RIsa1 | tell me, I'm currently installing Debian Etch and it seems to be doing nothing on the screen "Configuring APT" - "Scanning the mirror ..." |
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| 16:43.45 | siachris | I mean other than on top of my fridge. |
| 16:43.48 | wad | siachris, You have to be 21 in most states.... |
| 16:43.53 | jelly | siachris: It's in Debian. |
| 16:43.54 | siachris | :O |
| 16:44.10 | siachris | Really? I'll look for it. |
| 16:44.14 | quitte_ | well one of the boxes maintainers was about to cange the license because he was so terribly annoyed by debian users asking questions about outdated versions |
| 16:44.22 | siachris | I know, wad! |
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| 16:44.27 | siachris | 'tis all okay |
| 16:44.36 | jelly | siachris: but I wouldn't recommend it if your app needs to work with sound devices or requires realtime(-like) abilities |
| 16:45.17 | artagnon | valdyn: Are you also aware that many people despise Debian for being overly cautious? I mean it's super-stable at stable and way more stable than many other systems in testing |
| 16:45.19 | siachris | Oh...well jelly, that's about everything in the music radio station..... |
| 16:45.37 | helo | if wine supports what his app uses, it won't necessarily have anything wrong with audio playback or whatnot |
| 16:45.50 | jelly | siachris: that's probably why I said that. :-| |
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| 16:46.02 | artagnon | Is it possible to downgrade from unstable to testing to stable? |
| 16:46.08 | wols_ | artagnon: no |
| 16:46.09 | FuzzyB | no |
| 16:46.15 | artagnon | oh God |
| 16:46.18 | xand | artagnon: you can't download at all |
| 16:46.21 | xand | erm |
| 16:46.24 | xand | artagnon: you can't downgrade at all |
| 16:46.26 | artagnon | I'd better not go to unstable then |
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| 16:46.36 | siachris | jelly: where would I find wine? |
| 16:46.50 | VolkerH | re.. |
| 16:46.51 | jelly | helo: I think making an app reliably work in wine is probably more hassle than just installing windows in a virt.machine |
| 16:46.53 | xand | siachris: off license? supermarket? |
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| 16:47.01 | jelly | siachris: it's in debian! |
| 16:47.06 | VolkerH | how do I input data from STDIN to a variable in a sh-script? |
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| 16:47.32 | siachris | Okay, I'm just trying to find it in here, that's all. |
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| 16:47.51 | jelly | ~tell siachris about search |
| 16:48.15 | FuzzyB | jelly: played with crossover wine latley? |
| 16:48.15 | row | I have a debian system installed using a "Netgear FA331" 100mbit ethernet card yet want to do a fresh install on new hdd with etch installer and its notfinding network card, so I select the natsemi driver which apparently covers it and does not work yet I know it should as I have it working currently :/ |
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| 16:48.56 | xand | row: what does lsmod say your card is using when it works? |
| 16:48.56 | jelly | FuzzyB: not lately, I've bought a version about 2 yrs ago and it still works with my Office XP apps, so I'm happy with it. |
| 16:49.14 | row | xand: give me one sec will boot back into working install |
| 16:49.47 | xoz | row: check if the module was loaded |
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| 16:50.48 | row | xored: syslog says it loaded |
| 16:50.48 | Sweetandy | Debian makes me suicidal. |
| 16:50.48 | row | but will double check what its using in working install |
| 16:50.52 | xand | Sweetandy: how... sweet. |
| 16:51.12 | xand | Sweetandy: do you have a specific problem? :P |
| 16:51.13 | Sweetandy | I want to love debian... but debian refuses to get along with my network, something that is very dear to me. |
| 16:51.31 | xand | why? |
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| 16:51.38 | Sweetandy | It's hopeless, I've asked a half-dozen IRC channels and spent countless days on the problem. |
| 16:51.47 | xand | including this one? |
| 16:52.05 | Sweetandy | Including this one (a while ago) |
| 16:52.05 | xand | and the problem is? |
| 16:52.05 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: stop complaining and ask an actual question |
| 16:52.05 | stew | Sweetandy: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 16:52.08 | RIsa1 | how do I install Debian minimally without it downloading gazillions of files |
| 16:52.20 | RIsa1 | that is, from the cd |
| 16:52.27 | RIsa1 | so I can install what I want later |
| 16:52.29 | stew | RIsa1: boot the cd, follow the instructions |
| 16:52.32 | wols_ | RIsa1: get the netinstall. don't select any more packages when it shows the tasksel screen at the end of the install |
| 16:52.33 | xand | RIsa1: doesn't it ask you what options you want? |
| 16:52.42 | stew | RIsa1: it will not install anything more than the base system unless you ask it to |
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| 16:52.45 | xand | in tasksel... e.g. "Desktop system" |
| 16:52.50 | RIsa1 | ye |
| 16:52.51 | RIsa1 | well |
| 16:52.58 | xand | don't select any of those |
| 16:53.01 | RIsa1 | I didnt assume that includes GNOME too |
| 16:53.12 | liable | dont assume |
| 16:53.23 | quitte_ | he didn'T ;) |
| 16:53.38 | stew | RIsa1: if you ask it to install a "Desktop" it will install gnome. if you don't, it won't |
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| 16:53.47 | Sweetandy | All right, a question; How do I renew my DHCP release so that my inet address will update by means of the router itself? |
| 16:54.05 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
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| 16:54.28 | wols_ | Sweetandy: what inet address do you mean? update how? |
| 16:54.38 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: man interfaces if you haven'T setup dhcp configuration earlier |
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| 16:54.53 | threw | hi all ! |
| 16:54.59 | eitan | Hello all. How do I clear the "keyring" in gnome in Etch? Apparently I have accidentally checked "save in keyring" when entering an administrative password, and I didn't want it saved. |
| 16:55.21 | stew | Sweetandy: run "dhclient eth0" (or substitute the appropriate address for eth0) |
| 16:55.21 | Sweetandy | I tried during installation, and it refused to recognize a cable was plugged in (good friend mii-tool0 |
| 16:55.41 | quitte_ | stew: that might not be a good idea. that way you end up having two instances of dhcpclient running and your ip changing every now and then |
| 16:55.50 | threw | im searching a tool under debian which can download a web page and all the "media" used by the page (.css, .js, image, etc...). does anyone know a good one please ? |
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| 16:56.18 | jelly | threw: you asked for a good one so I can't recommend wget |
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| 16:56.20 | quitte_ | threw: wget |
| 16:56.24 | row | xoz / xand: seems natsemi is the driver although lsmod says nothing is using it :/ |
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| 16:56.52 | row | yep |
| 16:56.52 | Sweetandy | stew: No dhcpoffers received. I'm not surprised - the card is only blinking every five seconds or so, rather than a steady light |
| 16:56.59 | row | modprobe -r natsemi brings eth0 down |
| 16:57.00 | threw | well, ok, but how to do with wget quitte_ & jelly ? i read the man page without success :( |
| 16:57.17 | abrotman | threw: read it again .. it's there |
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| 16:57.37 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: maybe the cable is not propery plugged in? or a crossover cable when you need a straight cable? |
| 16:57.50 | wols_ | abrotman: how would wget get stylesheets and jscript files? |
| 16:57.50 | bytekode | threw: wget -m http://site.com |
| 16:57.52 | threw | abrotman, i really must be blind |
| 16:58.06 | Sweetandy | quitte; That's the best guess I've heard in a while. But I can't change the calbe. |
| 16:58.14 | eitan | I accidentally checked "save in keyring" when entering an administrative password while using gnome in etch. How do I clear that password from the "keyring"? |
| 16:58.30 | Sweetandy | quitte_: Cable*. It's 50ft long and running underneath my house through the basement. |
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| 16:58.44 | wols_ | Sweetandy: what kind of card is it? |
| 16:58.56 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: can you at leas unplug and plug it in again? usually dmesg should show a change of the interfaces stte then |
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| 16:59.05 | jelly | threw: see the discussion of --page-requisites option |
| 16:59.05 | Sweetandy | wols_: It's tulip |
| 16:59.38 | hark | threw: httrack |
| 16:59.39 | smoker | how to install realplayer on debian ? i have .bin |
| 16:59.58 | wols_ | Sweetandy: ask real. it's their software |
| 17:00.01 | row | bah I load natsemi but installer still thinks I don't have a network card :/ |
| 17:00.05 | wols_ | my guess is /bin/sh crap from real.bin |
| 17:00.14 | jelly | threw: and even so, wget doesn't follow everything it should. That's why I can't recommend it. ;-) |
| 17:00.15 | quitte_ | smoker: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:00.26 | wols_ | row: what does lspci say? is it actually natsemi? |
| 17:00.41 | Sweetandy | Real? |
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| 17:00.52 | row | wols_: in working debian install or the etch installer? |
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| 17:01.17 | Sweetandy | wols_ It has a linksys logo on it... which matches the router I'm using. So I'm all confused. |
| 17:01.17 | threw | bytekode, ok thanks the -m option seems to work well but seems to download the whole site. hopefully it is not huge :) |
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| 17:01.17 | wols_ | row: I surely hope lspci shows the same in both |
| 17:01.20 | row | hmm |
| 17:01.27 | wols_ | if not, tell the pope you have a miracle on your hands |
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| 17:01.33 | row | wols_: lspic shows nothing in installer! |
| 17:01.39 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: do you have ports on the router that are laeled II and X ? try using adifferent one if so |
| 17:01.42 | wols_ | Sweetandy: what has that to do with anything? |
| 17:01.43 | row | maybe I should redownload the installer (etch biz iso) |
| 17:01.43 | threw | Hark: you can download only _a_ page of a website with httrack ? |
| 17:02.12 | Sweetandy | wols_: If they're from the same company, I'd *imagine* in my fantasy world that they would be compliant with each other. |
| 17:02.15 | threw | jelly, it seems (or i hope) it will be enough. it just to test some css property :) |
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| 17:02.35 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: if the cable came with the set that might be reasonable |
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| 17:02.38 | hark | smoker: helix-player in Debian.. or get it from debian-multimedia |
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| 17:03.11 | Sweetandy | quitte_ The cable is Belkin, like the router in my room to which this cable normally connects. |
| 17:03.14 | RIsa1 | doesnt mplayer also play real? |
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| 17:03.32 | fuzzy_logic | hello world! |
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| 17:04.03 | jelly | RIsa1: not all codecs are supported. for others, realplayer's codecs need to be installed |
| 17:04.06 | undesktop | OKOK... |
| 17:04.07 | hark | threw: yes, though it also supports a lot more options than that.. apt-cache show httrack |
| 17:04.09 | quitte_ | Sweetandy: you could always visually check if the cable is crossover. if theorder of the colors at the plug is the same on both eds it isn'T |
| 17:04.12 | Supaplex | RIsa1: it might need codecs and/or libraries |
| 17:04.19 | undesktop | my PC crashed (for no known reason)... and kernel-packages was interrupted |
| 17:04.23 | undesktop | now I tried to resume it |
| 17:04.24 | hark | smoker: or get w32codecs |
| 17:04.26 | RIsa1 | ye, but you can supply it with real alternative, not? |
| 17:04.28 | Sweetandy | quitte_ I'll work on that one. |
| 17:04.38 | undesktop | but that shitbucket started again *sigh* |
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| 17:04.54 | don_jr__ | I've followed the 1 liner for installing nvidia drivers, now when I try to startx I get :NVIDIA kernel module failed to load. how can I repair this? |
| 17:04.57 | bolt | When /etc/cron.daily/aide runs, it just keeps on running, it never finishes! How can I tell what's wrong? |
| 17:04.57 | undesktop | arg, so disgusting |
| 17:05.12 | undesktop | and I can't even call a stupud hotline number to demand my money back |
| 17:05.13 | eitan | How do I unremember a password in gnome when I accidentally checked "remember password" ? |
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| 17:05.40 | hark | logoff |
| 17:06.15 | eitan | hark: no ... it's saved in keyring. |
| 17:06.50 | hark | gnome-keyring-manager |
| 17:07.05 | eitan | hark: can that be found in gnome or do I have to go to console? |
| 17:07.05 | don_jr__ | How can I tell what kernel I have? |
| 17:07.18 | aubade | uname -r |
| 17:07.24 | quitte_ | eitan: gnome-keyring-manager probably |
| 17:07.28 | don_jr__ | aubade thanks |
| 17:07.52 | hark | eitan: should be.. look for it |
| 17:09.01 | quitte_ | eitan: apps->system tools->manage keyring translated tht myself - might be slightly different |
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| 17:09.31 | der0b | Hey folks, pointing my apt/sources.list file to either stable or etch should get me the same packages now, correct? |
| 17:09.40 | hark | yes |
| 17:10.01 | der0b | Thanks hark |
| 17:10.01 | aubade | Anyone here have experience setting MPD up? |
| 17:10.01 | row | it apears etch installer is not seeing any pci devices on my (very old msi mobo) |
| 17:10.14 | hark | aubade: probably someone.. ask your real question |
| 17:10.16 | eitan | hark: I did that and the keyring manager is not showing any keyrings. It's strange. When I first went to "administration/printing" under the desktop menu, it asked me for a password. Now it doesn't anymore -- even after rebooting the system. How can I fix that? |
| 17:10.21 | amee2k | how stable is XFS in production use? |
| 17:10.30 | der0b | one more, wanted to play with webmin but it doesn't seem to be availble in the repos (main or contrib). Some place I can look to find out why? |
| 17:10.44 | eitan | quitte_: thanks... look at my message to hark. |
| 17:10.56 | amee2k | (on a 830 GiB RAID5 + UPS) |
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| 17:11.16 | Sweetandy | I told my system it was 192.168.1.50 at installation, now it sticks to that no matter what. |
| 17:11.58 | amee2k | aubade: its easy. install mpd with apt, put your music (or a symlink to it in /usr/share/mpd/music, connect with some client and have mod update its database. |
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| 17:12.17 | row | Sweetandy edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:12.29 | hark | eitan: because it shouldn't? |
| 17:12.35 | amee2k | have mpd* update... |
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| 17:13.04 | aubade | Didn't have an issue setting it up, have had experience with it before. Just it refuses to index music. Think I might try throwing the dB and state files somewhere in my home dir. Still fiddlin' with it. |
| 17:13.08 | rittyan | Does bytecode interpreter works out of the box on etch (according to google)? How can I make use of it? I don't see it working |
| 17:13.20 | eitan | hark: no...everything under the administration menu should. And printing used to. Though the first time I did it, I accidentally asked it to save the password... now I can't "unsave" the password.... even after rebooting. |
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| 17:13.54 | VolkerH | btw... |
| 17:14.17 | hark | eitan: it's in /usr/bin... |
| 17:14.42 | Sweetandy | I'm a failure as an installer of Debian. |
| 17:14.45 | Sweetandy | lol |
| 17:14.51 | VolkerH | are the Intel Pentium D Dual Core 840 64bit's? |
| 17:14.57 | amee2k | aubade: make sure your files and directories are world-readable. use `chmod -R` on it to make sure. use the cli client and check the man page for a verbose option |
| 17:15.03 | cusco | VolkerH: yes |
| 17:15.05 | stew | Sweetandy: man interfaces |
| 17:15.08 | cusco | VolkerH: no |
| 17:15.10 | cusco | sorry |
| 17:15.12 | cusco | I dunno |
| 17:15.25 | cusco | I was thinking about the core2 dua |
| 17:15.28 | VolkerH | hmmm... how can I switch from i386 to ia64? |
| 17:15.40 | VolkerH | I installed with a i386 netinst image |
| 17:15.45 | FuzzyB | you can't |
| 17:15.46 | amee2k | aubade: maybe check the mpd man page for an option to enable verbose logging |
| 17:15.50 | FuzzyB | ia64 is itianium |
| 17:15.54 | FuzzyB | which isn't anything like ia32 |
| 17:16.00 | VolkerH | ok |
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| 17:16.07 | cusco | VolkerH: but yes, pentium D uses emt64 |
| 17:16.08 | eitan | hark: where in /usr/bin ? Is there a file where I can reset the "save password" option? |
| 17:16.12 | FlameBird | can I install debian etch from windows? |
| 17:16.17 | hark | VolkerH: you probably mean amd64 |
| 17:16.17 | VolkerH | cusco, good. |
| 17:16.28 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 17:16.31 | FuzzyB | 840's are 64bit |
| 17:16.32 | VolkerH | hark, here is a intel cpu |
| 17:16.36 | FuzzyB | they have emt64 in them |
| 17:16.39 | VolkerH | FuzzyB, thx |
| 17:16.41 | FuzzyB | np |
| 17:16.42 | hark | so..? |
| 17:16.48 | hark | ~amd64 |
| 17:16.58 | apt | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
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| 17:16.59 | VolkerH | btw, how can I make mencoder use both cores? |
| 17:16.59 | FuzzyB | tell it to thread |
| 17:17.01 | aubade | Couldn't be a permissions problem, ever file in the directory is 644. Still did 'chmod -R +R' though. |
| 17:17.02 | cusco | VolkerH: you probably want to setup a chrrot environment? |
| 17:17.19 | [[seth]] | which version would be used for the Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 17:17.39 | VolkerH | cusco, i dunno if thats the right way to get mencoder using both cores.. |
| 17:17.41 | VolkerH | is it? |
| 17:17.49 | FlameBird | can I install debian etch from windows? sorry.... |
| 17:18.03 | hark | eitan: it's gnome-cups-manager |
| 17:18.04 | VolkerH | FlameBird, there is some debian installer for windows |
| 17:18.07 | VolkerH | !windows? |
| 17:18.11 | cusco | VolkerH: doesn't mencoder uses both cores on the 32 bit anyway? |
| 17:18.22 | VolkerH | cusco, i dont know...any way to find out? |
| 17:18.28 | liable | !debian.exe |
| 17:18.35 | VolkerH | !debian.exe? |
| 17:18.36 | cusco | apt: debian.exe |
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| 17:18.48 | FlameBird | liable, does it allow me to select packages? |
| 17:18.54 | hark | goodbye-windows.org or use googlefu |
| 17:19.16 | eitan | hark: right but... it's not asking for a password anymore. I want it to... I don't want my password saved. |
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| 17:19.24 | cydork | goodbye-microsoft.org |
| 17:19.27 | FlameBird | does it allow me to select packages before hand or downloads the whole thing?! |
| 17:19.37 | amee2k | aubade:on directories you need +x set |
| 17:19.42 | hark | .COM!! |
| 17:19.51 | cusco | VolkerH: check the top or htop, while running mencoder perhabs? |
| 17:19.53 | aubade | amee2k: Yeah, I know. d: |
| 17:19.54 | cusco | dunni |
| 17:20.04 | liable | toilet |
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| 17:20.15 | cydork | oh yeah. .com :P |
| 17:20.18 | amee2k | i did chmod 644 on a directory tree only once ^_^ |
| 17:20.23 | eitan | hark: do I have to reformat my drive and reinstall the system to undo one stupid mistake I made? |
| 17:20.25 | cusco | apt: debian.exe is http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 17:20.30 | apt | okay, cusco |
| 17:20.31 | FlameBird | does it allow me to select packages before hand or downloads the whole thing?! |
| 17:20.32 | aubade | Oh wait, you mean including for world. |
| 17:20.39 | amee2k | yep |
| 17:20.50 | VolkerH | 22666 volker 10 -15 49524 22m 4276 R 91 2.2 7:30.06 mencoder |
| 17:20.51 | amee2k | you can't list a directorie's contents without +x |
| 17:21.01 | FlameBird | amee2k, was that for me? |
| 17:21.01 | Sweetandy | I'll be back after I reinstall from newly burned CDs |
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| 17:21.11 | amee2k | FlameBird: no aubade |
| 17:21.15 | waldwolf | i have a sun ultra 5 with a pgx32 pci graphiccard (ati onboard turned off), when i get to silo and start install , after booting linux... i have a blank screen, video=atyfb:off doesnt help, any ideas? |
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| 17:21.37 | cusco | VolkerH: looks like not, hows the cpu load on the top? |
| 17:21.37 | FlameBird | laters |
| 17:21.42 | hark | eitan: sid? |
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| 17:21.50 | aubade | Ah, that resolved it. |
| 17:21.54 | VolkerH | cusco, high.. |
| 17:22.09 | VolkerH | pu(s): 50.0%us, 50.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 17:22.18 | eitan | hark: etch. |
| 17:22.24 | aubade | I'll build a church in your honor someday [: |
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| 17:22.44 | amee2k | aubade: i'd use `find ... -type f -exec chmod 664 {} \;` and the same with '-type d' and 775 again |
| 17:22.52 | amee2k | hehe |
| 17:22.58 | MANITOU | Black ! :)))))) |
| 17:23.08 | cusco | VolkerH: doesn't seems much, when I use a cpu demanding my cpu load goes to 200% due to be using both cores |
| 17:23.12 | cusco | sorry I dunno# |
| 17:23.24 | VolkerH | ok |
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| 17:25.23 | [[seth]] | wat version of debian 4.0 should i use to install on a macbook with Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 17:26.22 | cusco | [[seth]]: netinstall will do just fine |
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| 17:26.52 | [[seth]] | mmm, what is netinstall? |
| 17:27.04 | [[seth]] | i meant do i take the x86 architecture or amd64, or wat? |
| 17:27.10 | {cyborg} | amee2k: find ... -type f | xargs chmod 644 is a faster alternative |
| 17:27.30 | {cyborg} | amee2k: chmod is only called once |
| 17:27.53 | meddle | anyone know why there isn't a bridge-utils-dev package? |
| 17:27.53 | {cyborg} | [[seth]]: i386 I guess |
| 17:27.54 | amee2k | hm... right. good point for large trees |
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| 17:27.57 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i want to install debian.. but only a limited amout of packages.. if i download Official netinst images for the stable release will i be able to access internet to download additional packages? |
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| 17:28.41 | amee2k | fuzzy_logic: that is the point of the netinst disk - to get the system up far enough to download the rest from the net |
| 17:28.41 | {cyborg} | fuzzy_logic: yes |
| 17:28.42 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: how do you connect to the internet? |
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| 17:29.08 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: via a wireless connection.. |
| 17:29.30 | petemc | that could be a problem |
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| 17:29.45 | fuzzy_logic | yes i would say so petemc :) |
| 17:30.00 | fuzzy_logic | oh.. but wait.. |
| 17:30.05 | meddle | or.. can i find libbridge.{a,h} hidden in some other package? packages.debian.org seems to suggest otherwise. |
| 17:30.06 | amee2k | hm... i'd use a wired link for install and set up wlan later, just to be safe. wlan on the netinst may suck but never tried it myself |
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| 17:30.53 | eitan | hark: are you still looking for the solution? |
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| 17:31.00 | {Nathan} | Is there a way to get x.org to map a keyboard shortcut (ctrl+alt+q for example) for a left click? I have a laptop with working stick but no working mouse keys. |
| 17:31.21 | fuzzy_logic | i will install it on a vmware virtual machine, if i set that the guest os uses the hosts os for the connection, will that work you think? win2k works fine that way |
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| 17:31.37 | b_jonas | {Nathan}: try pressing alt-shift-numlock and then numpad-5 |
| 17:31.39 | Gyuszk | Hi guys, I'm having packet loss problems when using 64bit WEP key with ndiswrapper WiFi, but without encryption the connection is abs. clean, any ideas? (etch i386) |
| 17:31.40 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: that should be fine |
| 17:31.40 | [[seth]] | {cyborg} well, on the debian wiki for installation for the macbook for a dual boot, they said for version 3.1, that i should use amd64 architecture... find the entry HERE: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 17:31.41 | b_jonas | (if you have a numpad) |
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| 17:31.55 | fuzzy_logic | ok.. thanks for your help.. i will try to install it now.. |
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| 17:32.18 | {Nathan} | b_jonas: okay, I'll do that when I get twm up on it -- right now it's dist-upgrading. |
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| 17:32.38 | row | Debia etch installer is not picking up my PCI devices/PCI bus on a old MSI (MS-6382) mobo yet old pre etch installer did. |
| 17:32.42 | prosikito | hello, does anyone know how can I enable ctrl-c at boot time, sometimes my syslogd gets stuck and I need to boot from antoher partition to solve the problem |
| 17:32.45 | row | and debian unstable works fine |
| 17:32.56 | row | what would be the cause of this using the 150mb~ netinst iso |
| 17:33.06 | b_jonas | alt-shift-numlock activates this mouse-keys mode in usual configurations |
| 17:33.13 | b_jonas | where you can control the mouse with the numpad |
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| 17:33.46 | b_jonas | I'm about to do the upgrade to etch as well |
| 17:33.53 | b_jonas | I'm now making a backup |
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| 17:34.29 | {Nathan} | b_jonas: I can't use the numpad easily -- it's a laptop. I can move the mouse with the stick, that's not a problem, I just can't click. What are the default keys to click when you press alt+shift+numlock? |
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| 17:34.36 | fuzzy_logic | for an intel pc i have to choose i386 right? |
| 17:34.39 | hark | eitan: nope, have work here.. check the bts or ask #gnome-debian on gimpnet |
| 17:34.57 | eitan | hark: thanks anyway |
| 17:35.01 | eitan | How do I delete all the gnome preferences for my user and revert to the defaults? |
| 17:35.12 | dkr | {Nathan}: numpad-5 |
| 17:35.25 | {Nathan} | dkr: can you remap it? |
| 17:35.30 | b_jonas | {Nathan}: I thikn it's like numpad-5 clikcs, numpad-0 holds down the mouse button (to drag) |
| 17:35.43 | b_jonas | and numpad 2 4 6 8 moves the mouse |
| 17:35.49 | dkr | {Nathan}: maybe if you edit Xorg code |
| 17:35.57 | b_jonas | and I think numpad / * - changes which button to use |
| 17:36.05 | Gyuszk | Hi guys, I'm having packet loss problems when using 64bit WEP key with ndiswrapper WiFi, but without encryption the connection is abs. clean, any ideas? (etch i386) |
| 17:36.15 | dkr | 1 3 7 9 move mouse ,too |
| 17:36.25 | \amethyst | eitan: you can remove the contents of the .gconf directory |
| 17:36.36 | eitan | \amethyst: thanks.. I'll try that. |
| 17:36.44 | {Nathan} | I activated it on this computer, and I can't move the mouse off the left side of the screen |
| 17:36.52 | {Nathan} | that is, with the numpad |
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| 17:37.33 | fuzzy_logic | what kernel version does debian use? |
| 17:37.41 | \amethyst | fuzzy_logic: which debian? |
| 17:37.44 | dkr | {Nathan}: it might specifically be leftshift-left-alt-numlock to enable it |
| 17:37.51 | fuzzy_logic | \amethyst: 4 |
| 17:37.54 | b_jonas | fuzzy_logic: ask uname -a |
| 17:37.55 | \amethyst | fuzzy_logic: 2.6.18 right now |
| 17:38.03 | fuzzy_logic | \amethyst: thanks :) |
| 17:38.15 | fuzzy_logic | b_jonas: i still have to install debian :) lol |
| 17:38.17 | {Nathan} | dkr: it works, it's just stuck on the left side of the screen and all keys just move it up and down. I did leftshift and leftalt |
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| 17:41.43 | ResPiDeR | what gnome version is in debian testing? |
| 17:42.25 | aubade | 2.14.3.6 the last time I looked. |
| 17:42.35 | {Nathan} | ResPiDeR: I don't know, but you can check via packages.debian.org |
| 17:42.53 | {Nathan} | ResPiDeR: I'll check for you |
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| 17:42.58 | ResPiDeR | {Nathan}: no problem, I check |
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| 17:43.10 | ResPiDeR | is it difficult to instal gnome 2.18 in debian testing? |
| 17:43.21 | ResPiDeR | is there any repository or something? |
| 17:43.31 | {Nathan} | ResPiDeR: in testing... it's version 2.14.3.6 |
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| 17:43.45 | ResPiDeR | {Nathan}: thank you |
| 17:43.45 | {Nathan} | ResPiDeR: you probably just download a debian package from gnome.org, I'll see if there's one |
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| 17:45.20 | {Nathan} | ResPiDeR: got 2 links for you, http://dgoodwin.dangerouslyinc.com/compiling-gnome-2-18-debian-etch-amd64 and http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=353&forum=4 |
| 17:45.54 | {Nathan} | ResPiDeR: other than those 2 links, I can't really help much. Sorry. |
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| 17:46.34 | ubinsp | hello world! |
| 17:46.53 | prosikito | hello, does anyone know how can I enable ctrl-c at boot time, sometimes my syslogd gets stuck and I need to boot from antoher partition to solve the problem |
| 17:46.57 | {Nathan} | ubinsp: You're supposed to do your first hello world with linked lists of chars. |
| 17:47.28 | ubinsp | Who has tried to install a linux on Play Station 3? |
| 17:48.06 | abrotman | Who has an extra $600 ? |
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| 17:49.08 | ubinsp | abrotman: you're lucky: in my country it's 600 €: 35% than you :( |
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| 17:49.41 | b_jonas | prosikito: I think you have to edit some scripts that are executed at boot time |
| 17:49.50 | waldwolf | think i found the more specific problem: anyone know how do i tell the install kernel to run the framebuffer with 60hz out of silo with a pgx32 card? |
| 17:49.53 | b_jonas | I seem to remember the bash scripts disable it specifically |
| 17:50.06 | don_jr__ | what is the entire string for the kernel? I know i have version 2.6.18-4-686 but is that the entire line to add a link to a kernel? or ist it like kernel-2.6.18-4-686 or what is it? |
| 17:50.07 | nn-ltop | abrotman can you come to my server's irc and check its settings |
| 17:50.15 | minus | hm.. Anyone know what i should do to get Å Ä Ö (Swedish A A O with dots if you cant see them)to funktion in console? |
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| 17:50.29 | h3sp4wn | ubinsp: Afaik the access to the video hardware is restricted |
| 17:50.30 | b_jonas | though I think it was the one for halting I looked |
| 17:50.31 | nn-ltop | abrotman, my server is srv256.homelinux.net |
| 17:50.42 | \amethyst | don_jr__: What do you mean "add a link"? |
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| 17:51.11 | \amethyst | don_jr__: the image file is in /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 os something similar |
| 17:51.11 | ubinsp | h3sp4wn: but can I see a console ? |
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| 17:51.47 | \amethyst | s/os s/or s/ |
| 17:51.50 | h3sp4wn | ubinsp: You cannot use the most interesting hardware under linux - that is all I am saying |
| 17:51.53 | don_jr__ | I have to add a linke to the kernel source from the module directory |
| 17:52.18 | \amethyst | don_jr__: what are you doing, exactly? |
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| 17:52.34 | don_jr__ | ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version> /lib/modules/VERSION/build in this line what would I add as <kernel-version>? |
| 17:52.46 | b_jonas | prosikito: /etc/init.d/rcS would be a high suspect |
| 17:52.56 | jelly | waldwolf: hmm... pgx32, which machine had that? |
| 17:53.03 | nn-ltop | \amethyst, will you help me test the setting's on my irc at srv256.homelinux.net |
| 17:53.05 | b_jonas | it contains a line like 'trap ":" INT QUIT TSTP' |
| 17:53.08 | ubinsp | h3sp4wn: Ok, but i can used Maple or Openoffice, isn't it, h3sp4wn? |
| 17:53.08 | laser- | don_jr__: ls -al /usr/src ? |
| 17:53.17 | b_jonas | no wait |
| 17:53.21 | \amethyst | don_jr__: Do you have the kernel source? |
| 17:53.29 | don_jr__ | ./amethysty I'm trying to set up my wireless usb adapter and I've been told by 3 or 4 peple that these instructions have worked flawlessly, and this is one of the steps. not sure what to put in that line for <kernel-version> |
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| 17:53.41 | don_jr__ | . /amethys yes I have the source |
| 17:53.42 | jelly | wakejagr: some SBus model? |
| 17:53.46 | \amethyst | Where is the source? |
| 17:53.50 | \amethyst | that's the directory it wants there |
| 17:53.53 | h3sp4wn | ubinsp: Don't see why not |
| 17:53.54 | b_jonas | changing that one wouldn't help I think |
| 17:54.01 | jelly | waldwolf: some SBus model? |
| 17:54.02 | don_jr__ | . /amethys alright, thanks |
| 17:54.09 | b_jonas | because you want to interrupt some of the subshells, not that script |
| 17:54.17 | b_jonas | I don't know then |
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| 17:54.19 | ubinsp | h3sp4wn: Thank you for these info :) |
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| 17:55.46 | h3sp4wn | ubinsp: If you want debian on it you will need a custom kernel |
| 17:55.47 | mikecc | hey guys what is the next release of debian going to be called? |
| 17:55.55 | h3sp4wn | mikecc: see the /topic |
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| 17:56.01 | mikecc | haha thanks |
| 17:56.10 | illo70 | mikecc the correct question is: when it will be out? :) |
| 17:56.26 | [[seth]] | lol |
| 17:56.26 | nn-ltop | will someone help me test the setting's on my irc at srv256.homelinux.net????? |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | try efnet ... |
| 17:56.50 | mikecc | illo70: agreed :) |
| 17:57.09 | laser- | efnet might try more than your ircd settings |
| 17:57.21 | mikecc | if i want to being using testing i just change everything in my sources.list from etch to lenny correct? |
| 17:57.27 | mikecc | begin* |
| 17:57.27 | laser- | undernet will try your box's ability to run psybnc |
| 17:57.28 | jelly | waldwolf: does using video=atyfb or video=atyfb:1024x768@60 help (although I doubt the latter will work)? |
| 17:57.32 | illo70 | nn-ltop, standard port? 6667 or must i do an nmap to find out? :) |
| 17:57.39 | wols_ | mikecc: yes. or to "testing" |
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| 17:57.44 | Kronuz | hello |
| 17:57.44 | mikecc | ah ok thanks wols_ |
| 17:57.49 | nn-ltop | illo70, standerd port |
| 17:57.53 | Kronuz | etch is released!! ? |
| 17:58.09 | wols_ | Kronuz: for almost a week now |
| 17:58.17 | Kronuz | :P |
| 17:58.20 | Kronuz | I had been out |
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| 17:58.27 | Kronuz | (I was on vacations) |
| 17:58.36 | concept10 | After using zsh for a couple of months, I think bash should be renamed trash |
| 17:58.51 | PupenoR | concept10: why? |
| 17:58.53 | laser- | good for you |
| 17:58.57 | Kronuz | concept10: what's so better about it? |
| 17:59.07 | laser- | concept10: fork bash and hope it sticks |
| 17:59.14 | concept10 | haha |
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| 17:59.33 | concept10 | zsh turns a keyboard into a nuclear weapon |
| 17:59.47 | illo70 | it works nn-ltop |
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| 17:59.49 | nn-ltop | illo70, #test |
| 17:59.53 | ubinsp | h3sp4wn: OK. If I install on it, will the PS3 be still usable as a PS3 (where is the OS of the PS3 : harddisk, ROM...?)? |
| 17:59.58 | PupenoR | concept10: nuclear weapons are not something I'd like to have on top of my desktop. |
| 17:59.59 | laser- | concept10: how dramatic |
| 18:00.00 | petemc | concept10: so that means bash is no good? interesting logic |
| 18:00.01 | waldwolf | jelly just found the answer: had to give pm2fb the setting for 60hz in video= its a permedia 2 chip on the pgx32 pci and raptor gfx |
| 18:00.11 | nn-ltop | illo70, join #test |
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| 18:00.29 | illo70 | i'm there |
| 18:00.39 | concept10 | heh, sorry, thats my zsh advocacy for the day |
| 18:01.15 | bolt | When /etc/cron.daily/aide runs, it just keeps on running, it never finishes! I tried running it manually, and it still does that, without printing anything to the console! How can I tell what's wrong? |
| 18:01.33 | laser- | tomorrow: concept10 has spent a month of freebsd, and thinks that the following should be renamed: |
| 18:01.40 | waldwolf | jelly: tried the ati stuff but its the pgx32 im working on and atyfb:off is not even needed since its disabled in openboot |
| 18:01.40 | laser- | s/of/on |
| 18:01.42 | Kronuz | hey, anyway... does anybody know why my sleep is not putting my PC in S3 state? (it worked in ubuntu, but debian is just setting it to regular "sleep" mode with everything on but the monitor it seems) |
| 18:03.00 | concept10 | laser-, I dont have time to waste on freebsd |
| 18:03.09 | minus | Anyone know a good consolebased texteditor? |
| 18:03.12 | laser- | then use it wisely |
| 18:03.23 | \amethyst | minus: vim, emacs, ... |
| 18:03.25 | jelly | waldwolf: ah, so not the same stuff as in pgx64. |
| 18:03.34 | \amethyst | minus: what are you looking for in an editor? |
| 18:03.39 | laser- | minus: vim. the end. |
| 18:04.39 | minus | \amethyst, writing programs.. |
| 18:04.39 | jelly | waldwolf: which machine is it, btw? |
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| 18:04.40 | don_jr__ | Are the linux-headers-<version> the source files for the kernel? |
| 18:04.45 | PupenoR | minus: vim and emacs are the most popular and probably the most powerful. vim is particularly popular among system administrators while emacs is popular among programmers. If you want to write programs I'd recommend emacs. |
| 18:04.50 | laser- | no, they're the linux headers |
| 18:04.53 | jelly | don_jr__: they are a tiny bit of the source that's usually enough to build third party modules. |
| 18:04.58 | PupenoR | minus: I actually use both, emacs for programming, vim for system admin. |
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| 18:05.08 | don_jr__ | jelly where can I get the rest of the source files? |
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| 18:05.16 | minus | PupenoR, Ok.. i'll check them out.. |
| 18:05.21 | jelly | don_jr__: linux-source-* |
| 18:05.25 | nono__ | lu |
| 18:05.29 | PupenoR | minus: I am not satisfied by any :( |
| 18:05.33 | rahul | PupenoR: you know there's no need to use vim for sysadmin |
| 18:05.39 | minus | PupenoR, X | |
| 18:06.05 | rahul | if you have emacs running, just use it for editing as root, too |
| 18:06.06 | laser- | PupenoR: I doubt the whole "sysadmin->vim; programmer->emacs" thing |
| 18:06.11 | PupenoR | rahul: obviously, but, what exactly do you mean? use emacs fro sysadmin? |
| 18:06.25 | rahul | PupenoR: right, no need to start up another editor, then |
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| 18:06.39 | don_jr__ | n -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build When I run this line it tells me that it can't create the link no such file or directory but I've CD'd into each of those and they are there! |
| 18:06.44 | stew | sudoedit + gnuserv! |
| 18:06.49 | rahul | run emacs as user, edit files as root |
| 18:06.56 | jelly | ~wayttd don_jr__ |
| 18:07.08 | apt | What Are You Trying To Do, don_jr__? |
| 18:07.08 | PupenoR | rahul: yeah, emacsclient helps a lot there too... can emacsclient connect to an emacs through a ssh connection? |
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| 18:07.11 | b_jonas | sudoedit does that as well |
| 18:07.14 | rahul | PupenoR: no, emacsclient is not what you want. you want tramp. |
| 18:07.16 | minus | wtf.. emacs isn't console.. |
| 18:07.20 | stoned | hi |
| 18:07.25 | rahul | minus: sure it is |
| 18:07.27 | stew | minus: yes it is |
| 18:07.28 | rahul | hey |
| 18:07.29 | PupenoR | minus: it is, emacs -nw |
| 18:07.29 | b_jonas | I use joe both as normal user and root, but as root I use the default config file |
| 18:07.37 | minus | PupenoR, aha.. |
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| 18:07.59 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 18:08.03 | jelly | b_jonas: default config file, the one that leaves ~ files behind all over the place? :-) |
| 18:08.08 | PupenoR | rahul: I take a look into that... but the truth is that I hate sysadmin, so I don't expend much time improving my sysadmin skills. |
| 18:08.27 | PupenoR | s/I t/I'll t/ |
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| 18:08.52 | don_jr__ | apt I'm thinking I may not have to do all of this now. I'm trying to get ndiswrapper installed as a kernel module |
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| 18:09.04 | minus | hm.. Emacs sux, vim kinda sux.. I'll stick with nano |
| 18:09.04 | minus | :P |
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| 18:09.08 | dudeman | HAHA, I just found out today is Friday the 13th |
| 18:09.11 | b_jonas | jelly: yes |
| 18:09.12 | dudeman | damn |
| 18:09.18 | markybob | don_jr__: we've been through this. you said m-a worked for you. so what's the problem now? |
| 18:09.19 | b_jonas | I like the ~ files, even as a user |
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| 18:09.34 | PupenoR | minus: you've find out emacs and vim sucks in so little time? |
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| 18:09.50 | concept10 | minus, are you trying to start a war with your stupid question |
| 18:09.51 | \amethyst | minus: what suck about them? |
| 18:10.00 | dudeman | concept10 hi |
| 18:10.03 | jelly | b_jonas: I don't like them everywhere in /etc, so I change the backupdir |
| 18:10.09 | don_jr__ | markybob damn, I forgot about that.....but I"m on another box now! lol well..I"m on my box and trying to set up another |
| 18:10.09 | minus | PupenoR, Tab didnt work in Emacs.. And I couldn't get my head around vim |
| 18:10.10 | waldwolf | jelly: ist a pimped up ultra 5 with 440mhz 1gb ram , scsi dvd and hdd, raptor gfx (which is same as pgx32) and a sun qfe network card |
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| 18:10.14 | minus | So, nano ftw! |
| 18:10.27 | \amethyst | have fun using nano for programming |
| 18:10.34 | concept10 | heh |
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| 18:10.39 | markybob | don_jr__: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 18:10.47 | minus | I've used it alot lately... |
| 18:10.53 | minus | Works fine for me.. |
| 18:11.03 | schme | Tab didn't work in emacs? |
| 18:11.12 | minus | Not for me anyways.. |
| 18:11.18 | \amethyst | Because in C mode tab indents by default |
| 18:11.20 | SerajewelKS | is there some way to tell dhclient that i don't want it touching the route table? |
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| 18:11.21 | concept10 | 5 min evaluation of two applications that are combined probably 50+ years of use and development. Im glad you don't write reviews |
| 18:11.26 | jelly | waldwolf: ... can it play divxes? :-) |
| 18:11.34 | minus | concept10, ^^ |
| 18:11.36 | Kronuz | hey, just using the update manager I'll get all the updates to get my box to the etch, right? |
| 18:11.38 | schme | minus: It would depend on what mode you are in. |
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| 18:11.57 | schme | minus: But if you like nano go with that. (: |
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| 18:12.11 | minus | schme, jeje, I'll stick with nano and the graphical scite |
| 18:12.20 | minus | scite is really good tbh |
| 18:12.46 | waldwolf | jelly: will try but i doubt it :), just cleaning the solaris 10 install with debian away and never tried playing video under solaris anyway |
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| 18:13.42 | stew | SerajewelKS: you could try supersede routers ""; in dhclient.conf (man 5 dhclient.conf) |
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| 18:14.34 | jelly | waldwolf: mine is unpimped U5/270MHz/noisy ATA drive/broken DDS3 tape ... BUT I beat you with an ATI RagePro card (pgx64) ;-) |
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| 18:14.45 | haxality | hello, I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to get the synaptics touchpad driver working |
| 18:14.54 | illo70 | kronux the update manager being synaptic? i dunno how those ones work, anyway you gotta somehow make it point to etch repository and issue a dist-upgrade, or follow instructions you find on the web to do it with aptitude, then you can revert to the update manager if you are used to it |
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| 18:15.35 | don_jr__ | markybob thanks |
| 18:15.38 | Kronuz | illo70: the update manager |
| 18:15.42 | stew | haxality: is xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? |
| 18:15.43 | busybeaver | hi |
| 18:15.51 | slestak | anyone ever use markus g's wy60 terminal emulator? ive got connectivity to an old legacy app 95 |
| 18:15.54 | busybeaver | I want to install debian on my xeon server |
| 18:15.57 | markybob | don_jr__: np |
| 18:16.02 | Kronuz | illo70: Desktop->Administration->Updata Manager |
| 18:16.03 | stew | haxality: is the "psmouse" kernel module loaded? |
| 18:16.04 | slestak | percent working |
| 18:16.06 | don_jr__ | now I have to find the drivers for my card that are not in an .exe files.... |
| 18:16.09 | haxality | one second. |
| 18:16.11 | busybeaver | so I downloaded the netinst image, typed in 'install' |
| 18:16.11 | waldwolf | jelly: hehe will work on that. changing the powersupply helps with the noise, if i throw out the hdd with a new ide it is really quit, btw changed the 80x80 cooler with a silent papst cooler |
| 18:16.14 | PupenoR | rahul: I think you have just changed my life forever with "tramp". |
| 18:16.19 | busybeaver | then it uncompressed the kernel |
| 18:16.23 | busybeaver | said 'ready.' |
| 18:16.26 | busybeaver | and nothing else happened |
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| 18:16.37 | haxality | stew: yes. |
| 18:16.41 | haxality | stew: on both counts. |
| 18:16.46 | bzed | !tell busybeaver about enter |
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| 18:17.00 | stew | haxality: and what exactly is going on? (or not going on as the case may be) |
| 18:17.00 | bzed | !ping |
| 18:17.14 | haxality | stew: I have one of those generic scroll-strips on the side of my laptop touchpad |
| 18:17.16 | rahul | PupenoR: indeed. changes the whole concept of what it means to edit in a multiuser, networked environment |
| 18:17.21 | haxality | stew: and I want it to, well, scroll |
| 18:17.21 | illo70 | kronuz i have a different debian desktop, xfce4 on mac. Try going to the update manager and find the about entry in the help menu and see what it is |
| 18:17.31 | stew | haxality: put your xorg.conf into a pastebin |
| 18:17.36 | haxality | ok one second |
| 18:17.54 | bzed | busybeaver: what the bot shjould tell you: put your question into one line, using interpunction. aotherwise nobody will be able to follow it |
| 18:17.59 | PupenoR | rahul: I was already doing that with Kate, but I wasn't totally satisfied with it. |
| 18:18.09 | busybeaver | bzed: ok, thanks |
| 18:18.12 | jelly | illo70: the graphical one is probably synaptic |
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| 18:18.56 | action09 | hi |
| 18:19.05 | Kronuz | illo70: there's no about in it, just says: "The Update Manager was written by Michiel Sikkes and Michael Vogt as an apt update manager" |
| 18:19.18 | haxality | stew: http://pastebin.ca/438553 |
| 18:19.26 | waldwolf | jelly: btw pgx64 is just rage xl 8mb as much as the pgx32 permedia2 8mb dont really think its worth it :) does it play divx? |
| 18:19.27 | stew | haxality: mine is here: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead but note that mine sets taptime to 0 which disables clicking, and since i have rightedge and bottomedge set to 0 i actually use my ENTIRE touchpad for scrolling (no mousemovement) |
| 18:19.30 | action09 | officialy is 'aptitude' preffered to 'apt' ?? , i mean from Deban point of view |
| 18:19.32 | action09 | please |
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| 18:19.57 | busybeaver | I try to install debian sarge to a xeon server (32bit). After booting from the cd it stucks after uncompressing the kernel (saying 'ready'). what can I do? |
| 18:20.12 | action09 | busybeaver tpe 'go' :) |
| 18:20.15 | action09 | type |
| 18:20.18 | h3sp4wn | busybeaver: use etch |
| 18:20.23 | nn-ltop | is there a more advanced esd out there under a diffrent name |
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| 18:20.26 | haxality | stew: that would actually be perfect |
| 18:20.34 | haxality | stew: I have a touchpad and a nub in the middle of my keyboard |
| 18:20.41 | valdyn | nn-ltop: more advanced in which way? |
| 18:20.42 | haxality | stew: I hate when the touchpad moves the mouse |
| 18:20.47 | busybeaver | after debian hasn't worked I tried knoppix - and even that didn't owrk |
| 18:20.49 | busybeaver | *work |
| 18:20.50 | stew | haxality: yeah, that's what i have, so i use the nub for pointing and pad for scrolling |
| 18:20.53 | haxality | same. |
| 18:21.03 | \amethyst | nn-ltop: jack perhaps? |
| 18:21.08 | haxality | ok, I'm gonna look over your xorg and copy the relevant sections |
| 18:21.13 | stew | haxality: i'm guessing what you were missing is Buttons 7 |
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| 18:21.20 | haxality | ohhh. |
| 18:21.21 | illo70 | Kronuz, then try going to settings > repositories, |
| 18:21.22 | haxality | yeah |
| 18:21.23 | stew | haxality: how many buttons does "xmodmap -pp" list? |
| 18:21.23 | nn-ltop | that it is more scure like has an option that -public-to 192.168.2.* |
| 18:21.36 | haxality | 9 |
| 18:21.41 | juice` | what can i do if debian says that Sources.bz2 has bad MD5 even if i know they have correct one ? |
| 18:21.41 | nn-ltop | jack local onily |
| 18:21.46 | stew | haxality: same here |
| 18:21.50 | haxality | hmm. |
| 18:21.51 | SerajewelKS | if i specify two routes in the route table, where one route is contained in the other (like 10.30.0.0/16 and 10.0.0.0/8) will this do what i expect, that is, packets will go to the most specific route they match? |
| 18:21.53 | juice` | this is happening when i do apt-get update on deb-src |
| 18:22.05 | Kronuz | illo70: and then what? |
| 18:22.05 | haxality | stew: could you hold for one sec so I can look at your xorg.conf? |
| 18:22.06 | stew | haxality: istr having to add Buttons to all pointers to get it to work, though that was a long time ago and could be fixed now |
| 18:22.07 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no, to the first route that matches |
| 18:22.30 | wowi | hi guys. what cpu-architecture do I need for an "intel dual core 2"? Is it ia64? or compatible wirh amd64? Or should I use the old i386? |
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| 18:22.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so i can order them? |
| 18:22.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so you can get that it hits the most specific route by sorting the routes |
| 18:22.43 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: right |
| 18:22.46 | wowi | <wowi> hi guys. what cpu-architecture do I need for an "intel dual core 2"? Is |
| 18:22.46 | wowi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.53 | wowi | shit, sorry. |
| 18:22.55 | jelly | waldwolf: at 270MHz, I suspect it doesn't do very well. But 440MHz might be just enough... ;-) |
| 18:22.57 | juice` | what can i do if debian says that Sources.bz2 has bad MD5 even if i know they have correct one ? this is happening when i do apt-get update while trying to download deb-src list of packages. how can i force it to use it? i'm 100% sure md5 is ok |
| 18:23.00 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Lower the metric on the more specific one |
| 18:23.08 | valdyn | jelly: i386 if you have to ask |
| 18:23.15 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: can the metric be negative? (0 is the default) |
| 18:23.19 | valdyn | jelly: oh, mistarget |
| 18:23.24 | jelly | valdyn: np |
| 18:23.26 | valdyn | wowi: 386 if you have to ask |
| 18:23.39 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: ah, never mind, metric isn't really used anymore unless you have a routing daemon |
| 18:23.49 | wowi | valdyn: why? |
| 18:23.50 | haxality | stew: taptime of 0 disables clicking only on the touchpad, right? |
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| 18:23.55 | illo70 | Kronuz, then it depends, what distro are you running now? |
| 18:23.57 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: hmm |
| 18:23.57 | stew | haxality: yes |
| 18:24.03 | jelly | wowi: either amd64 or i386... i386 if you're not sure |
| 18:24.03 | stew | haxality: if its not buttons, then you might need to set rightedge and bottom edge to get the two scroll areas |
| 18:24.04 | wowi | valdyn: doesn't debian support intel's 64bit technology? |
| 18:24.08 | PupenoR | action09: aptitude is prefered to apt-get. |
| 18:24.21 | PupenoR | action09: both use apt, which is the backend. |
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| 18:24.22 | SerajewelKS | and is there some way to flush the route table entirely? |
| 18:24.33 | wowi | jelly: not sure of what? |
| 18:24.38 | jelly | wowi: what ot install |
| 18:24.39 | valdyn | wowi: that's amds technologiy, even if its intel chips |
| 18:24.41 | PupenoR | action09: and I am very happy with aptitude, haven't used apt-get in years. |
| 18:24.53 | Kronuz | illo70: I was running etch RC2 |
| 18:25.04 | Kronuz | so the repositories are all etch already |
| 18:25.07 | valdyn | wowi: 386 is only a little slower, amd64 has issues, but that's not debians fault, but software vendors |
| 18:25.25 | wowi | valdyn: what would you use? |
| 18:25.38 | valdyn | wowi: why would it matter what i use? |
| 18:25.40 | Kronuz | had I been running other older distro, I would have needed to change the repositories to etch and then update? or what? |
| 18:25.45 | haxality | stew: I'm just gonna copy the synaptics section from your xorg |
| 18:25.52 | haxality | stew: give that a shot and basically go from there |
| 18:26.02 | haxality | how do I figure out where the right and bottom edge are? |
| 18:26.04 | wowi | valdyn: dunno, for performance reasons? |
| 18:26.12 | stew | haxality: oh i just realized you actually have two synaptics sections |
| 18:26.16 | illo70 | Kronuz so what did you have in the distribution field? testing? |
| 18:26.18 | illo70 | or etch? |
| 18:26.22 | waldwolf | jelly: i guess the 256kb vs 2mb cache makes the most difference besides the mhz |
| 18:26.30 | valdyn | wowi: amd64 is faster, almost no one needs that 'speed' |
| 18:26.33 | stew | haxality: i dunno how to figure it out. i've always had them at zero |
| 18:26.36 | illo70 | sorry kronuz, what DO you have |
| 18:26.36 | Kronuz | illo70: etch, I think |
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| 18:26.44 | Hoxzer | what does "@@ -8,6 +8,7 @@" mean in the patch file? |
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| 18:26.54 | yang | Hm what is the command for dpkg bot "sarge->etch" ? |
| 18:26.57 | wowi | valdyn: so it doesn't matter... |
| 18:27.09 | illo70 | look in repositories, select them and watch what's written in distribution |
| 18:27.10 | valdyn | wowi: there's no flash for amd64 |
| 18:27.12 | haxality | stew: so if I use your synaptics config, will it just scroll when I move my finger on the touchpad? |
| 18:27.18 | illo70 | (man, using the shell is easier :) ) |
| 18:27.23 | haxality | stew: honestly that would work better than what I was trying to do |
| 18:27.24 | action09 | PupenoR yes but the official point of view from Debian, it's that that i want to know, |
| 18:27.26 | hark | Kronuz: you can read the etch release notes for the other cases |
| 18:27.32 | valdyn | wowi: there's no amd64 versions of many ( proprietary ) applications |
| 18:27.35 | hark | yang: read the etch release notes |
| 18:27.36 | Kronuz | illo70: yep, etch and then as components: "main contrib non-free" |
| 18:27.47 | wowi | valdyn: ok, then it's the best way to use i386 |
| 18:28.01 | valdyn | wowi: yea |
| 18:28.08 | stew | yang: the answer is "read the release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes" |
| 18:28.15 | yang | i am reading |
| 18:28.15 | illo70 | ok, then simply do a reload |
| 18:28.19 | \amethyst | Hoxzer: "This next chunk, in the original, starts at line 8 and is 6 lines long. In the new version it starts at line 8 and is seven lines long" |
| 18:28.22 | haxality | one sec restarting X. |
| 18:28.25 | PupenoR | action09: my first sentence answers that. Check the Etch "whatsnew" documentation. |
| 18:28.26 | PupenoR | brb. |
| 18:28.40 | wowi | valdyn: when I bought my new PC I thought like 'wohoo, 64bit man!' :) |
| 18:28.54 | illo70 | kronuz do a reload mark all possible upgrades and upgrade, as usual |
| 18:28.59 | valdyn | wowi: that's just a number, it doesnt make a difference in itself |
| 18:29.05 | wowi | now I come here and hear '64bit has issues' :) |
| 18:29.12 | \amethyst | wowi: Well |
| 18:29.16 | wowi | valdyn: ok.. |
| 18:29.40 | \amethyst | wowi: I'm not sure what issues valdyn is talking about precisely. Probably things like Adobe not making a Linux AMD64 flash player |
| 18:29.45 | valdyn | wowi: every technology has issues, you probably need flash more than support for terabytes of ram |
| 18:29.54 | dudeman | wowi, I'd use AMD64 on my Core 2, but driver and software issues prevent me from doing so. Its a desktop system and I need entertainment. :( |
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| 18:30.32 | wowi | ok, ok, guys. I'll take i386. you got me :P |
| 18:30.35 | \amethyst | wowi: If you're not using proprietary software, it's for the most part not a problem |
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| 18:30.42 | tvynr | valdyn: Why pick between Flash player and terabytes of ram when you can have both? :-P |
| 18:30.50 | dudeman | technology will always have issues due to the fact that the human element is involved. The creator has issues, thus the technology will inherently have issues. |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | wowi: or you can run your browser in a 32bit chroot |
| 18:30.53 | dudeman | valdyn is correct |
| 18:30.59 | valdyn | tvynr: i can? |
| 18:31.02 | tvynr | wowi: I'm using the amd64 distro atm running my browser in a 32-bit chroot. |
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| 18:31.15 | jelly | Papa Smurf hates chroots |
| 18:31.17 | stew | or there is a very nasty wrapper for 32 bit plugins in 64 bit browser |
| 18:31.20 | tvynr | valdyn: Yep. I'm running AMD64 Debian with a 32-bit chroot. I run Iceweasel in that. |
| 18:31.23 | Bozolinho | hi folks |
| 18:31.24 | torrr | I think I accedentally installed a linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 package |
| 18:31.25 | dudeman | papa smurf was a dopehead |
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| 18:31.27 | valdyn | tvynr: that's right and fine, but its not convenient for noobs |
| 18:31.40 | hark | nspluginwrapper or something |
| 18:31.41 | valdyn | tvynr: heck, its not even convenient for serious users |
| 18:31.46 | wowi | nah, too much circumstances. I'm in middle of exams. No time for fine-tuning my system |
| 18:31.53 | stew | hark: yeah, that's the nastiness. did i mention nasty? |
| 18:32.06 | tvynr | valdyn: Depends on how you define "noobs". I set up my 32-bit chroot a month after I installed Debian for the first time. Before that, I'd never used Linux on a desktop. |
| 18:32.09 | hark | heh |
| 18:32.17 | Bozolinho | is there a tool to control debians ftp client from a windows xp computer, just like webmin or sancho? |
| 18:32.25 | jelly | tvynr: not a noob! |
| 18:32.27 | \amethyst | people: "Don't use AMD64, Adode doesn't support it". Adobe: "Nobody uses AMD64, no reason to support it." |
| 18:32.31 | valdyn | Bozolinho: you mean ftp server? |
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| 18:32.38 | h3sp4wn | iceweasel is more stable for me on amd64 than firefox ever was on i386 |
| 18:32.38 | Bozolinho | should work and look like known ftp clients (WSFTP, Totalcommander,...) |
| 18:32.43 | valdyn | Bozolinho: there's always ssh |
| 18:32.47 | h3sp4wn | (exactly because I care not for flash) |
| 18:32.52 | Bozolinho | valdyn: |
| 18:32.56 | tvynr | wowi: If you want to consider using AMD64, take a look over here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271987 |
| 18:33.06 | dudeman | I need a wireless card for debian desktop. Should I go USB or PCI. Someone recommended me RALINK based NIC but I can't find anything on newegg concerning RALINK. Could anyone kindly point me in the right direction concerning wifi/debian linux? |
| 18:33.08 | Bozolinho | to get rid from ssh |
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| 18:33.15 | wowi | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto |
| 18:33.15 | wowi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.19 | valdyn | dudeman: DONT go for ralink |
| 18:33.19 | hark | swfdec supports youtube now fwiw |
| 18:33.21 | tvynr | wowi: But you won't miss out on performance much unless you're doing some pretty heavy computing work. |
| 18:33.22 | wowi | shit sorry again... |
| 18:33.28 | Bozolinho | is to control a NAS which has no GPU or grafical capabilities |
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| 18:33.40 | valdyn | dudeman: ralink driver support is free software but far from ready for production use |
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| 18:33.49 | wowi | fucking putty. I'm currently at windows vista (first and last time) |
| 18:33.50 | Bozolinho | i want to administer that from my xp Computer |
| 18:33.56 | concept10 | Anyone know if I may safely remove the package locales? I hate when installing packages it has to generate this stuff. |
| 18:34.01 | markybob | \amethyst: those people are idiots. we both know you can use flash in amd64 |
| 18:34.03 | dudeman | valdyn oh really? Do you have any recommendations concerning linux wifi? |
| 18:34.06 | Bozolinho | i can administer proftpd via webmin |
| 18:34.31 | markybob | Bozolinho: fuck webmin and fuck proftpd. use a real ftp server |
| 18:34.33 | torrr | am I supposed to have the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 package installed? |
| 18:34.35 | valdyn | dudeman: ipw2200 only, i havent used atheros and the other open chipsets that are well supported |
| 18:34.47 | don_jr__ | I have 2 new installs of debian running KDE, how can I transfer files between them on my LAN? |
| 18:34.54 | Bozolinho | and i would like to start Downloads per ftp without having to first ssh to the linkstation, then ftp to the server and then wget the files... |
| 18:34.57 | valdyn | dudeman: and ipw is probably not an option for you |
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| 18:35.25 | h3sp4wn | dudeman: atheros works very well - ralink does work well with the new drivers (at least with the rt2500 pci) |
| 18:35.43 | h3sp4wn | dudeman: ap mode and sta mode both stable |
| 18:35.44 | dudeman | i have to go move my car |
| 18:35.46 | dudeman | dammit |
| 18:35.50 | valdyn | dudeman: i own an ra2500 based card, i can deal with it, but its driver support is FAR from what intel offers ( and probably the 'free' chipsets, i just dont know those ) |
| 18:35.51 | stew | dudeman: welcome to NYC |
| 18:35.52 | jelly | dudeman: maybe the fine folks in #wireless would have something to contribute |
| 18:35.53 | dudeman | be right back guys, hold on to that thought |
| 18:36.01 | dudeman | stew thanks buddy :) |
| 18:36.08 | dudeman | jelly thanks |
| 18:36.10 | dudeman | brb |
| 18:36.11 | tvynr | don_jr__: You have an account on both machines? Call them A and B. Go to your KDE session in A, open a Konqueror window, and type "fish://#.#.#.#" where #.#.#.# is the IP address of B. |
| 18:36.16 | stew | dudeman: are you actually somewhere with saturday street cleaning? |
| 18:36.28 | don_jr__ | tvynr thanks |
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| 18:36.46 | tvynr | don_jr__: The fish kio slave will let you use ssh and scp to transfer files. Be warned that that's over an encrypted link, so the transfer rate will be a bit slow. |
| 18:36.59 | tvynr | don_jr__: np - good luck :) |
| 18:37.11 | dudeman | stew hopefully i'll see on sunday. I registered for the meeting. Just have to find the map/addy and a way to get there. Rahul said don't drive or you'll be in hell, just take the subway. saturday street cleaning, no clue what that is, brb |
| 18:37.16 | dudeman | *gone* |
| 18:37.32 | wowi | hey guys. thanks a lot for everything. got to set up my system |
| 18:37.36 | stew | dudeman: yeah, you don't want to drive. just take a trait to west 4th |
| 18:37.45 | stew | ^trait^train |
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| 18:37.50 | rahul | registered? |
| 18:37.56 | stew | who knows |
| 18:37.56 | rahul | you have to register? |
| 18:37.58 | stew | no |
| 18:38.00 | stew | its a bar |
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| 18:38.04 | rahul | yeah |
| 18:38.09 | rahul | wtf |
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| 18:38.17 | don_jr__ | tvynr it tells me could not connect to host |
| 18:38.18 | Bozolinho | valdyn: there is sancho zo control MLDonkey (and many more tools like that) i thought there could be one like that to control ftp. Any idea? |
| 18:38.35 | rahul | driving in the village only makes sense if you want to pay $25 to park in a lot |
| 18:38.46 | rahul | (which itself doesn't make sense...) |
| 18:38.46 | stew | and not even then |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | park on the sidewalk! |
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| 18:38.50 | rahul | heh |
| 18:38.51 | valdyn | Bozolinho: your totally confused, talking about remote controlling an ftp CLIENT is nonsense |
| 18:38.53 | mortem | hello, i have usb dsl modem and i want to connect at boot time, i'm using ueagle-atm modules |
| 18:38.55 | stew | especially to go to a bar with strong belgian beers |
| 18:39.02 | rahul | stew: haha, true |
| 18:39.07 | dudeman | debian-nyc-soc |
| 18:39.20 | Bozolinho | why is it nonsense? |
| 18:39.26 | tvynr | don_jr__: Can you ssh to B from a console on A? |
| 18:39.27 | dudeman | registered for that |
| 18:39.27 | rahul | -soc is for summer of code channels |
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| 18:39.37 | dudeman | i thought it was short for society |
| 18:39.41 | dudeman | like debian nyc society |
| 18:39.42 | dudeman | etc. |
| 18:39.45 | stew | social |
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| 18:39.48 | dudeman | or that |
| 18:39.50 | rahul | we've been using it for summer of code :P |
| 18:39.51 | valdyn | Bozolinho: because you can run that FTP client via ssh |
| 18:39.57 | xand | Bozolinho: why dont you upload to the machine? |
| 18:40.00 | Bozolinho | yeah |
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| 18:40.02 | xand | !ftp |
| 18:40.05 | xand | SUCKS |
| 18:40.06 | concept10 | Is hdparm installed by default in stable? |
| 18:40.07 | Bozolinho | but i want to get rid of that |
| 18:40.09 | mikasaari | Is there ascii based / console bootup manager in debian ? Thanks a lot |
| 18:40.10 | don_jr__ | tvynr maybe, how do I try that? ssh <ip.addr.here.> ? |
| 18:40.13 | stew | concept10: no |
| 18:40.14 | rahul | concept10: define "default" |
| 18:40.17 | xand | oi dpkg |
| 18:40.24 | bytekode | don_jr__: ssh username@host |
| 18:40.30 | xand | what's up with dpkg :( |
| 18:40.33 | concept10 | rahul, you know what default means |
| 18:40.39 | dudeman | lol |
| 18:40.39 | rahul | concept10: no, I don't, actually |
| 18:40.45 | concept10 | stew, thanks |
| 18:40.48 | rahul | concept10: there is no such thing as a default |
| 18:40.58 | rahul | concept10: it MIGHT be default if you choose certain setups |
| 18:41.04 | xand | rahul: well there is. |
| 18:41.10 | don_jr__ | bytekode can't connect to host, connection refused on port 22. how do I enable ssh on the other box? |
| 18:41.12 | xand | the bare minimum install |
| 18:41.16 | rahul | by default only required packages are installed |
| 18:41.19 | h3sp4wn | default is everything in essential |
| 18:41.25 | Bozolinho | a programm, that automatically opens the SSH, then automatically connects to the ftp server and show me 2 windows (my incoming and the pub of the server) would suffice |
| 18:41.25 | concept10 | rahul, if they sold etch in the grocery store next to the milk, does it install hdparm? |
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| 18:41.31 | xand | don_jr__: apt-get install ssh |
| 18:41.33 | dudeman | hahaha |
| 18:41.35 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 18:41.38 | valdyn | Bozolinho: there's a ton of php based file transfer tools, try google |
| 18:41.41 | solar_ant | my kde clock shows my local time |
| 18:41.41 | bytekode | don_jr__: /etc/init.d/ssh start, assuming you have openssh-server installed |
| 18:41.42 | dudeman | concept10 you're a trip bro |
| 18:41.44 | xand | hello ant of the sun |
| 18:41.45 | rahul | concept10: if you choose some setup that installs it |
| 18:41.45 | tvynr | don_jr__: You might need to sudo apt-get install openssh-server or somesuch. |
| 18:41.49 | solar_ant | but gaim and amarok use the global tie |
| 18:41.50 | valdyn | Bozolinho: those are obviously controlled via web interface |
| 18:41.53 | solar_ant | how to change this |
| 18:41.56 | concept10 | dudeman, is that you stoned? |
| 18:42.00 | dudeman | yeh |
| 18:42.02 | abrotman | solar_ant: what does 'date' return ? |
| 18:42.03 | concept10 | heh |
| 18:42.12 | dudeman | I am stoned no more! |
| 18:42.17 | valdyn | Bozolinho: but they are their own 'ftp client', not a remote control for an ftp client |
| 18:42.18 | rahul | concept10: it's default for educational machines |
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| 18:42.28 | dudeman | maybe once in a while but no more pothead |
| 18:42.32 | solar_ant | abrotman: date return global time |
| 18:42.34 | rahul | concept10: and for laptops, I think |
| 18:42.38 | dudeman | abrotman what? |
| 18:42.38 | stew | it looks like hdparm would come with kde because of kaffeine or maybe with a laptop install becuase of some powersaving |
| 18:42.40 | Bozolinho | what should i look for, googled already befor i went here for "ftp client frontend gui webconfig" |
| 18:42.44 | concept10 | rahul, thats crazy... educational machines? what the hell is that? |
| 18:42.45 | abrotman | solar_ant: is there a setting in the kde clock for that ? |
| 18:42.46 | mweichert | does anyone know how to skip installing a boot loader when preseeding? |
| 18:42.54 | rahul | concept10: one of the setups of a debian box |
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| 18:43.01 | solar_ant | abrotman: thats exactly my question ......... i couldnt find one |
| 18:43.02 | valdyn | stew: or kpowersave |
| 18:43.09 | dudeman | abrotman, I mostly ignore antisocial assholes. I don't kill them. |
| 18:43.10 | rahul | yeah, probably comes with a kde setup, too |
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| 18:43.14 | rahul | heh |
| 18:43.38 | concept10 | rahul, im sorry man, i havent seen the debian installer in three years, i extract a image on my box and reboot |
| 18:43.41 | basementjack | Hey , i installed debian with desktop envirement but when i try to login with root it refuses i have the password right |
| 18:43.43 | dudeman | concept10 blasphemey |
| 18:43.45 | basementjack | can anyone help with this ? |
| 18:43.52 | abrotman | solar_ant: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:43.53 | rahul | concept10: I haven't seen the debian installer in 5 years |
| 18:43.59 | mortem | hello, i have usb dsl modem and i want to connect at boot time, i'm using ueagle-atm modules and br2684, any hint? |
| 18:44.03 | rahul | concept10: I don't extract images or reinstall. |
| 18:44.03 | don_jr__ | got it, thanks how I'm connected to box B how do I transfer a file from box a to box B? just use cp? |
| 18:44.07 | valdyn | basementjack: that's intended, you cant and shouldnt log into X as root |
| 18:44.08 | dudeman | rahul you're gonna burn in hell |
| 18:44.10 | stew | rahul: concept10: that means you aren't evangelizing debian enough |
| 18:44.14 | rahul | heh |
| 18:44.16 | solar_ant | abrotman: :) |
| 18:44.18 | valdyn | basementjack: no one should help you change that |
| 18:44.22 | rahul | stew: _I_ don't install it. others do. |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | eh .. i'm not antisocial |
| 18:44.40 | basementjack | valdyn: i know but i try to login with root |
| 18:44.41 | rahul | dudeman: I AM THE FIRES OF HELL |
| 18:44.47 | concept10 | rahul, you have debian installer slaves? |
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| 18:44.53 | valdyn | !loose basementjack |
| 18:44.54 | bytekode | don_jr__: you're probably looking to use scp for that... man scp for details |
| 18:44.57 | valdyn | !test |
| 18:44.58 | dudeman | slavery is bad, mmmkay. |
| 18:44.59 | rahul | haha |
| 18:45.01 | valdyn | oo |
| 18:45.08 | jelly | valdyn: still dead! |
| 18:45.21 | rahul | last night I said if I made a million a year, I'd HIRE people to IRC for me |
| 18:45.29 | dudeman | hah |
| 18:45.49 | abrotman | rahul: then what would you do ? |
| 18:45.57 | stew | write a penixstrike daemon |
| 18:45.58 | tenco | is debians xterm built with xft? |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | tenco: ldd ? or check the depends |
| 18:46.11 | valdyn | tenco: it does support ttf fonts |
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| 18:46.12 | concept10 | or maybe you are a debian pimp.. Hey bitch install etch and hdparm with the correct parameters to put my drives to sleep or I will put you to sleep |
| 18:46.14 | rahul | abrotman: drugs? I dunno :P |
| 18:46.17 | don_jr__ | bytekode yes that's going to be what I"ll use, but it didn't give me an example, how do I specify which ip is to be copying onto the other? |
| 18:46.25 | dudeman | If I made that much money, I'd donate a lot to the Debian project. Then I'd work for a few years, save up some money, move to a country where pot is legal and try to grow old and die with a blunt in my mouth. |
| 18:46.29 | abrotman | rahul: ah .. well .. that'd be a quick way to burn a million |
| 18:46.33 | rahul | heh |
| 18:46.51 | valdyn | tenco: why would you use xterm with truetype fonts though? its slow.. |
| 18:46.54 | dudeman | rahul can't believe you won't donate to debian |
| 18:46.58 | bytekode | don_jr__: good question, i've never used it :-) (vpn + samba here) |
| 18:46.58 | dudeman | shame on you |
| 18:46.59 | jelly | dudeman: $1M a year isn't that much |
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| 18:47.06 | dudeman | im not a greedy man |
| 18:47.07 | dudeman | :) |
| 18:47.12 | rahul | meh, debian doesn't need money! |
| 18:47.18 | rahul | not that much, at least. |
| 18:47.26 | don_jr__ | Does anyone know the proper syntax to use to copy a file via scp from one box to another? |
| 18:47.26 | jelly | rahul: sure it does |
| 18:47.35 | valdyn | don_jr__: rtfm? |
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| 18:47.41 | abrotman | rahul: dunc-tank ? :) |
| 18:47.43 | markybob | don_jr__: scp foo user@ip:/home/foo/ |
| 18:47.48 | dudeman | lol abrotman |
| 18:47.53 | tenco | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:47.53 | markybob | don_jr__: the second one is the destination |
| 18:47.57 | dudeman | i don't think it would rais enough |
| 18:48.08 | don_jr__ | markybob that should do it, thanks |
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| 18:48.11 | concept10 | If I had shuttleworths money, I could have debian eliminate all other OS and platforms in 1.5 years |
| 18:48.28 | dudeman | or buy out ubuntu an liquidate it |
| 18:48.29 | dudeman | ? |
| 18:48.33 | rahul | I wouldn't want to use an OS that has eliminated all other OSes |
| 18:48.33 | markybob | concept10: i think you should be in #crack |
| 18:48.40 | bytekode | those 2 goals aren't mutually exclusive... |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | uhm .. i think shuttleworth has you beat on a million |
| 18:49.01 | mikasaari | Any bootup / init.d manager I could try in text console ? |
| 18:49.03 | rahul | jelly: a million a year for an individual is quite a bit |
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| 18:49.11 | bytekode | mikasaari: sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:49.12 | valdyn | mikasaari: your bash shell |
| 18:49.23 | mikasaari | bytekode: That the one thanks ! |
| 18:49.25 | stew | mikasaari: rcconf |
| 18:49.28 | valdyn | mikasaari: all those tools changing symlinks are ugly and probably broken anyway |
| 18:49.38 | don_jr__ | That did it! thanks a bundle |
| 18:49.41 | concept10 | See Ubuntu just packages and adds a little polish, I will make some platforms to compete with Aqua, CoreAudio, etc. |
| 18:49.53 | PupenoR | Does anybody what I have to do for a software raid1 to be assembled with both of its parts when it is the root file system? when I reboot only the sda part (not the sdb) is assembled. For /var and swap, both parts are assembled correctly (read from the configuration in /etc I supouse). |
| 18:50.02 | concept10 | markybob, someone will pull all of this great code together at some point |
| 18:50.13 | rahul | concept10: if the code were any good, debian would use it |
| 18:50.37 | valdyn | PupenoR: see /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 18:50.43 | dkr | rahul: and free |
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| 18:51.05 | rahul | dkr: what of any use have they written themselves? |
| 18:51.12 | toki | hello |
| 18:51.15 | PupenoR | valdyn: I've seen it a thousand times. |
| 18:51.19 | valdyn | PupenoR: oh, i misunderstood you |
| 18:51.21 | fuzzy_logic | hello people.. i want to install debian to use as a mail server.. while installing packages i get the following message: http://paste.debian.net/25539.. what does that mean? can someone give me more info about that? |
| 18:51.30 | toki | anybody can tell me how do i set timezone |
| 18:51.33 | dkr | rahul: I just meant that being good code is not the only criteria for inclusion in debina. :) |
| 18:51.34 | abrotman | !.th |
| 18:51.35 | don_jr__ | morkybob I tried the m-a a-i ndiswrapper command on the other box, tells me m-a is not a command, what package do I need? |
| 18:51.37 | jelly | rahul: there's a nice suspend/hibernate/shutdown menu in xfce's in ubuntu that debian doesn't have |
| 18:51.46 | \amethyst | toki: tzconfig |
| 18:51.54 | valdyn | PupenoR: i cant help you trhough this, that needs to be done from your initrd, before the on disk / is mounted |
| 18:51.58 | PupenoR | don_jr__: apt-file helps find packages knowing the name of a file in them. |
| 18:52.00 | toki | aaaah |
| 18:52.01 | rahul | jelly: oh, I don't use xfce so I wouldn't notice |
| 18:52.04 | toki | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 18:52.04 | stew | rahul: bzr, apt-secure |
| 18:52.12 | rahul | jelly: nor do I feel like risking suspend or hibernate |
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| 18:52.15 | markybob | don_jr__: apt-get module-assistant |
| 18:52.16 | don_jr__ | PupenoR thanks |
| 18:52.18 | rahul | stew: hrm, what's that? |
| 18:52.22 | bytekode | don_jr__: you need to install the module-assistant package |
| 18:52.23 | don_jr__ | markybob thanks again! |
| 18:52.27 | markybob | don_jr__: np |
| 18:52.32 | jelly | rahul: if you know you wouldn't notice, don't presume there's not anything of value. |
| 18:52.54 | concept10 | jelly, imho xfce has the greatest shutdown menu |
| 18:52.54 | valdyn | PupenoR: so when sda1 is mounted as root, then its to later.. |
| 18:52.55 | rahul | jelly: yeah, just saying that I wouldn't have noticed |
| 18:52.55 | stew | rahul: bzr is a popular scm, apt-secure is the part of apt that checks signatures on release files |
| 18:52.55 | PupenoR | valdyn: right. |
| 18:53.04 | jelly | concept10: I like the [x]ubuntu's better |
| 18:53.07 | rahul | stew: well, those are in debian now, aren't they? |
| 18:53.08 | JoshH | xfce has the greatest * |
| 18:53.15 | stew | rahul: yes |
| 18:53.23 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me plz? i want to install debian to use as a mail server.. while installing packages i get the following message: http://paste.debian.net/25539.. what does that mean? can someone give me more info about that? |
| 18:53.26 | jelly | s/the // |
| 18:53.28 | rahul | stew: so there you go. that was my point. :) |
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| 18:54.09 | stew | rahul: that was just my anser to "what of any use have they written themselves?" |
| 18:54.17 | rahul | stew: ah, ok |
| 18:54.25 | \amethyst | f |
| 18:54.31 | rahul | g |
| 18:54.48 | jelly | blue |
| 18:54.50 | rahul | f' o g |
| 18:55.05 | aubade | Am I wrong in thinking the G4 MX series would still use the current set for nvidia-glx and not the legacy? |
| 18:55.08 | concept10 | dudeman, how have you been anyway? |
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| 18:55.24 | abrotman | bah .. silly bot |
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| 18:56.14 | valdyn | aubade: see nvidia.com |
| 18:56.14 | concept10 | rahul, you still have those stars on your page? |
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| 18:56.24 | univx | hi all |
| 18:56.26 | rahul | concept10: stars? on what page? |
| 18:56.27 | dkr | fuzzy_logic: I'd go ahead without maildirs |
| 18:56.34 | aubade | valdyn: For what, their installer? 't get me anywhere. ;/ |
| 18:56.44 | concept10 | rahul, you have amnesia today |
| 18:56.46 | valdyn | aubade: to see which driver supports which chips |
| 18:56.50 | fuzzy_logic | dkr: what are those exactly? |
| 18:56.53 | aubade | Oh, 'ight. |
| 18:56.55 | rahul | uh |
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| 18:56.57 | univx | do you know the header file in c language to modify a bitmap image?? |
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| 18:57.02 | rahul | concept10: I'm asking which one you're talking about? |
| 18:57.11 | concept10 | rahul, myspace |
| 18:57.18 | scruffy | how can I get rid of the huge fonts in apps that use Qt widgets? (I don't use KDE) |
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| 18:57.38 | dkr | fuzzy_logic: not sure, but since iw-imapd and ipopd don't use them, and you obviously didn't modify yuor cnofig to use them since yuo don't knwo what they are, then you don't need them. :) |
| 18:57.38 | rahul | concept10: they're not on my page.. they're on myspace. |
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| 18:57.57 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 18:58.00 | concept10 | rahul, heh |
| 18:58.04 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: what are you trying to install? |
| 18:58.22 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: just debian.. i want to use it as a mailserver |
| 18:58.24 | concept10 | dudeman, your buddy rahul is the funny one |
| 18:58.39 | Fox_1_ | hi again. people i have install fglx driver for debian, but it doesn't made module for kernel. how to solve this problem? |
| 18:58.39 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: i dont see libc-client in debian, what are you trying to install there |
| 18:59.03 | valdyn | !ati driver |
| 18:59.07 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 18:59.11 | valdyn | grr |
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| 18:59.16 | stew | aptitude ati driver |
| 18:59.19 | Fox_1_ | yes, i mean fglrx |
| 18:59.22 | stew | hrm |
| 18:59.27 | pt | hi, anyone use acer notebook? i dont know why the control key, Alt, Ctrl and Shift key cannot be used with mouse. when i press one of these buttons with mouse, it lock the mouse ( mouse cannot move) any idea? it happens on both Gnome & KDE desktop...i guess something wrong with either xkb or the notebook. never encounter this prob before.... |
| 18:59.31 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: i use netinst.. i selected the mail server packages and dns server packages |
| 18:59.32 | rahul | concept10: those pictures are from their myspace pages |
| 18:59.34 | valdyn | Fox_1_: use module-assistant: something like: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i fglrx |
| 18:59.52 | Fox_1_ | i have modconf |
| 19:00.18 | concept10 | rahul, i was j/k, everytime I talk with you, I have daydreams of millions of stars surrounding and closing in on me |
| 19:00.23 | ivx | hey what is the command to log out in debian |
| 19:00.30 | ivx | i mean from the terminal |
| 19:00.36 | rahul | ooooooo...k? |
| 19:00.45 | univx | do you know the header file in c language to modify a bitmap image?? |
| 19:00.51 | aubade | Tried building the package myself and through module-assistant, tried the installer off Nvidia's site. Maybe I should just try off a clean install or something. |
| 19:00.55 | rahul | concept10: what kinds of drugs did you do when you were 10 years old? |
| 19:01.06 | toki | ivx: exit? |
| 19:01.10 | stew | bah, dpkg's host is down completely now so i can't get the factoid database even |
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| 19:01.21 | SexyKen | Anyone ever seen this error: insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.9-42.ELsmp/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 19:01.24 | rahul | univx: what "a" bitmap image? there are dozens of types. ask #c |
| 19:01.24 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: u there? can you help me plz? |
| 19:01.26 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: exim4 is debians default mailer, it supports maildir just fine |
| 19:01.35 | Fox_1_ | valdyn: you mean: module-assistant prepare; module-assistant a-i (?) fglrx? what means a-i? |
| 19:01.41 | concept10 | rahul, didnt do drugs then or now. I find them useless. |
| 19:01.41 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: i have no idea what that means what you paste, just go on.. |
| 19:01.44 | aubade | Did work breifly after I tried the installer before, but killed after a reboot even though I hadn't upgraded the kernel and had made sure it was included it /etc/modules. |
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| 19:01.50 | rahul | concept10: I guess you would |
| 19:01.50 | toki | hey how do i add new ip to my server? |
| 19:01.51 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: ok thanks for your help |
| 19:01.58 | rahul | considering the state you're in all the time anyway... |
| 19:02.10 | ivx | toki well i am logged in, i don't have gnome or anything, and i want it to log out so it is asking for my username and passwrd again |
| 19:02.13 | pt | hi, anyone use acer notebook? i dont know why the control key, Alt, Ctrl and Shift key cannot be used with mouse. when i press one of these buttons with mouse, it lock the mouse ( mouse cannot move) any idea? it happens on both Gnome & KDE desktop...i guess something wrong with either xkb or the notebook. never encounter this prob before.... |
| 19:02.15 | valdyn | Fox_1_: probably auto-install |
| 19:02.27 | univx | rahul a file .bpm |
| 19:02.29 | valdyn | Fox_1_: it does compilation and instalation in one step |
| 19:02.34 | Fox_1_ | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 19:02.35 | concept10 | rahul, that was a good one |
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| 19:02.41 | rahul | univx: what did I say? ask #c |
| 19:02.50 | toki | ivx: suppose to be exit |
| 19:02.59 | univx | rahul no |
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| 19:03.06 | univx | in winzoz |
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| 19:03.23 | univx | this header is window.h |
| 19:03.23 | ivx | toki, when i type exit it says logout, there are stopped jobs, what does that mean |
| 19:03.31 | rahul | univx: you are more high than concept10 |
| 19:03.48 | \amethyst | ivx: it means you pressed ctrl-z to suspend something |
| 19:03.54 | Fox_1_ | does anyone know fglrx repository? |
| 19:03.55 | \amethyst | ivx: type fg to bring it back |
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| 19:04.04 | Fox_1_ | for amd64-smp? |
| 19:04.07 | valdyn | Fox_1_: its in debian, non-free |
| 19:04.20 | valdyn | Fox_1_: ops, maybe not for amd64 |
| 19:04.32 | karsten | What steps do I have to take to apply a workaround patch to a package? Obviously install source. See http://bughs.deiban.org/418098 |
| 19:04.38 | karsten | s/bughs/bugs/ |
| 19:04.38 | Fox_1_ | please give more details |
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| 19:04.47 | wad | I'd like to have "sa-update" run every morning as root. I looked through the files in /etc/cron.daily, and they are all these fancy shell scripts. What's the proper thing to do to accomplish this? Should I make a new shell script in this directory, or something else? |
| 19:04.54 | ivx | \amenthyst sweet thanks |
| 19:04.56 | valdyn | Fox_1_: bot is dead, so i have to check the website |
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| 19:05.03 | angeltt | vortex, if i understand... you can inherit from the stub class and override the namespace property (or function). then use your inherited class. |
| 19:05.05 | karsten | wad: Yes. |
| 19:05.12 | valdyn | Fox_1_: you're using etch? |
| 19:05.21 | karsten | wad: Unofficial convention: prefex script name with "local_<foo>" |
| 19:05.22 | Fox_1_ | valdyn: yes |
| 19:05.25 | wad | karsten, okay, I assume that "Yes" applied to "new shell script" |
| 19:05.30 | karsten | wad: Yes. |
| 19:05.32 | wad | ah, okay. Perfect. |
| 19:05.33 | wad | Thanks! |
| 19:05.37 | valdyn | Fox_1_: its in non-free |
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| 19:05.54 | aubade | How can I remove a module I had built using module assistant? |
| 19:05.56 | valdyn | Fox_1_: append non-free to your 'deb' line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:05.56 | Fox_1_ | valdyn: please full line for source.list |
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| 19:06.12 | toki | How do I add extra IPs to my debian? |
| 19:06.17 | karsten | wad: Your risk (WRT names) is to select one that's used by a current (or future) debian package. |
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| 19:06.22 | valdyn | Fox_1_: to the line with security in it and to the other one too |
| 19:06.32 | scruffy | how can I get rid of the huge fonts in apps that use Qt widgets? (I don't use KDE) |
| 19:06.34 | karsten | toki: You want to configure additional NICs, or alias an existing one? |
| 19:06.37 | don_jr__ | now I need to use 'depmod' but it tells me depmod is not a valid bash command, I tried apt-file depmod and apt-file search depmod and nothing came up, anyone know what package I need? |
| 19:06.40 | Fox_1_ | just add non-free? |
| 19:06.44 | wad | karsten, good point. I named it "local_sa-update". I'll rename it to something more bizzare. |
| 19:06.49 | toki | existing nic |
| 19:06.50 | valdyn | don_jr__: as root |
| 19:06.51 | karsten | toki: Either way: man interfaces, see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 19:07.02 | karsten | wad: "local_*" is sufficient. |
| 19:07.06 | valdyn | don_jr__: /sbin/depmod |
| 19:07.12 | wad | ok |
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| 19:07.44 | karsten | wad: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/Writing/DWN/dwn-2002-15.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0203/msg02335.html |
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| 19:08.24 | valdyn | Fox_1_: for example: deb http://aptproxy:9998/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 19:08.24 | don_jr__ | valdyn I'll give that a shot, thanks |
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| 19:09.04 | wad | karsten, this specifies "local-*" instead of "local_*". I wonder if it matters. |
| 19:09.18 | wad | I'll go with the hyphen, I think. |
| 19:09.44 | karsten | wad: Not particularly. I'm the guy who made that suggestion. "local-" would be the preferred unofficial protocol. I forgot what I'd said earlier ;-) |
| 19:09.55 | wad | :) |
| 19:10.19 | wad | Hmm. Will my script be run as root automatically? |
| 19:10.26 | wad | I fully specified the path to sa-update. |
| 19:10.41 | Bozolinho | i´m out thx |
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| 19:10.46 | wad | Because I assume cron doesn't have paths set in it. |
| 19:11.01 | karsten | wad: Yes, it's run as root. |
| 19:11.24 | karsten | wad: 'su -c <command> <someuser>' if that's not what you want. |
| 19:11.26 | wad | Okay, my script is written and executable. Is there a good way to test it? |
| 19:11.42 | wad | I guess I could add a line to crontab |
| 19:11.47 | wad | to have it exeucte in the next 2 minutes. |
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| 19:12.20 | karsten | wad: Or "echo /etc/cron.daily/local-foo | batch" |
| 19:12.30 | karsten | wad: ... to run it now (modulo batch load limitations). |
| 19:12.35 | wad | ah |
| 19:12.45 | wad | me mans batch |
| 19:13.01 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I use ltsp 4.2, I want my users's home to be erased each time before the y log in, how can I do that? I use gnome |
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| 19:13.54 | concept10 | rahul, i need your installation help. Im trying to learn about using linux for embedded applications. What options do I have to turn a ubuntu box into Debian stable over the network? |
| 19:13.56 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Are you positive they'll never be logged in twice? |
| 19:14.07 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: There's a bunch of gotchyas with that scenario. |
| 19:14.08 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: via /etc/profile |
| 19:14.11 | rahul | concept10: whoa, you must be on some SERIOUS drugs |
| 19:14.47 | concept10 | rahul, im dead serious? whats the problem? |
| 19:14.47 | karsten | concept10: Run the Debian installer and nuke your Ubuntu system. Save your /home and any local data files. |
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| 19:14.50 | rahul | concept10: would you upgrade a win 98 box to win NT over the network? |
| 19:14.51 | wad | Sweet. I think it' |
| 19:14.57 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: or also via the shell listed at their /etc/passwd entry ( can be any script... ) |
| 19:14.59 | wad | Sweet. I think it's happy. Thanks, karsten! |
| 19:15.12 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, valdyn: I was thinking about using the preSession file of gdm |
| 19:15.15 | karsten | concept10: The installation manual covers chroot installs and possibly remote chroot installs. |
| 19:15.24 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: oh, you're talking X |
| 19:15.25 | concept10 | rahul, well, I see how much you know already. |
| 19:15.29 | rahul | remote chroot installs are the same as chroot installs |
| 19:15.30 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: how would we know ) |
| 19:15.46 | rahul | I've done one... unsuccessfully because the glibc was broken... |
| 19:15.49 | rgsteele | concept10: You may want to look into Voyage Linux - it's a Debian based distro with a focus on embedded systems. |
| 19:15.51 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: You could do that. Or you could wipe the session on exit (my pref). You need to check for (or prohibit) concurrent sessions, however. /etc/security/limits can do that IIRC. |
| 19:15.57 | {cyborg} | Hi, I need help with my man pages. They don't show correcly the ' (quote) character. I use en_US.UTF-8 as my locale and my font is lat9w-16 |
| 19:15.58 | karsten | rahul: Not entirely. |
| 19:16.07 | karsten | rahul: You aren't there to fix bootloader issues ;-) |
| 19:16.18 | karsten | {cyborg}: What terminal? |
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| 19:16.25 | rahul | karsten: oh, but I am. but that's what you get when you have a real server box :) |
| 19:16.34 | concept10 | karsten, so can I run the Debian installer after netbooting the device with TFTP? |
| 19:16.35 | karsten | rahul: What kind of kit? |
| 19:16.39 | {cyborg} | karsten: echo $TERM shows linux |
| 19:16.43 | \amethyst | {cyborg}: all man pages, or ones that you wrote? |
| 19:16.47 | karsten | concept10: yes. |
| 19:16.52 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, I've already do that, the problem is that I dont have guarantee that my users log out correctly |
| 19:16.56 | {cyborg} | \amethyst: man apt-get for example |
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| 19:17.04 | concept10 | karsten, or do I need to be hooked into the device with serial console? |
| 19:17.10 | karsten | {cyborg}: No, what terminal emulator. Eg: xterm, gnome-terminal, Konsole. Some do, some don't, have unicode support. |
| 19:17.16 | karsten | concept10: No, but it helps. |
| 19:17.22 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, So I want they to find their home empty for sure every time they log in |
| 19:17.28 | karsten | concept10: You just have to not f*ck up. |
| 19:17.28 | rahul | karsten: well, actually, I never got to that point because the damn thing couldn't run half the apps properly :\ |
| 19:17.30 | concept10 | karsten, thanks. |
| 19:17.32 | {cyborg} | karsten: I mean in the console, not in X11 environment |
| 19:17.37 | row | hmm |
| 19:17.50 | {cyborg} | karsten: with X it works fine, except in bare console |
| 19:17.50 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: ~/.login (owned by root) deleting files if theree are no other sessions would do it. |
| 19:17.51 | \amethyst | {cyborg}: Do they show up as black squares? |
| 19:17.53 | row | the etch installer does not seem to have all of the VIA drivers |
| 19:18.06 | karsten | {cyborg}: Ah. Not entirely sure. |
| 19:18.29 | {cyborg} | \amethyst: a question mark boxed in a white square (well my console background is black so it shows white) |
| 19:18.29 | karsten | {cyborg}: Does "LC_ALL=C man <foo>" still show the same issue? |
| 19:18.30 | concept10 | karsten, my first attempt was not successful, i didnt completely get the entire concept |
| 19:18.34 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, could ypu explain it to me ? |
| 19:18.36 | row | Etch install does not have via_ircc which I need for my pci cards it seems |
| 19:18.40 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: No. |
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| 19:18.47 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Sorry, busy at work. |
| 19:18.51 | {cyborg} | karsten: fixed ! |
| 19:18.53 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, :( |
| 19:19.05 | {cyborg} | karsten: thanks a lot |
| 19:19.08 | karsten | {cyborg}: OK, it's some sort of locale issue. |
| 19:19.10 | karsten | {cyborg}: NP. |
| 19:19.26 | \amethyst | {cyborg}: your console font doesn't have the Unicode single-quote character |
| 19:19.46 | karsten | {cyborg}: If you can use console framebuffer, do. |
| 19:20.36 | markybob | gonzaloaf_work: i suggest you stick with presession |
| 19:20.37 | don_jr__ | Does anyone here have a belkin usb wirless or dlink WUA-1430 usb adapter working with thier debian box right now? |
| 19:21.02 | concept10 | rgsteele, there are so many Debian based embedded distros. It's confusing me. I am trying to find out what is the minimum I need. But also be able to take the box up to a debian distro. |
| 19:21.10 | {cyborg} | karsten: I have a widescreen on my laptop, framebuffers don't support them out of the box yet |
| 19:21.46 | {cyborg} | \amethyst: ok, i will try finding a good console font |
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| 19:22.26 | rgsteele | concept10: I tried Pebble, and moved on to Voyage because I liked it better. |
| 19:22.29 | karsten | concept10: The minimum you need for a Debian install is what you've got post-install, if you've installed nothing (just the required packages). About 120MB or so typically (possibly less). Best thing to do is to install those packages you need for your application, and see what the result is. Debian's package management sorts out the rest for you. |
| 19:22.33 | sgeigerbot | Ofen, when my basic install is broken, I might need to do something like this: apt-get -u upgrade -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=true However, I've tried to do that, I've tried to change testing to unstable in sources.list, and I've tried sudo apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=true install sudo BUT nothing works. Is there a recommended approach to fixing this problem? |
| 19:22.36 | karsten | {cyborg}: :-( |
| 19:22.45 | wols_ | concept10: " up to a debian distro"? there is only one way to install debian |
| 19:23.08 | row | Is anyone aware of not been able to load certian VIA drivers while doing install with current etch d-i? as it does not seem to contain many via related drivers for pci and such |
| 19:23.13 | wols_ | and debian makes a piss poor embedded distro :) way too much baggage |
| 19:23.15 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Greets. |
| 19:23.17 | \amethyst | {cyborg}: The problem is, without using framebuffers, you're limited to 512 different glyphs |
| 19:23.44 | sgeigerbot | wols_: basic install is 50 MB. not all that bad. |
| 19:23.44 | karsten | concept10: What wols_ said. You can do what the iPaq people did and use mudebs. |
| 19:23.45 | {cyborg} | \amethyst: wow, didn't know that... |
| 19:23.56 | Fox_1_ | must i choose "Use kernel framebuffer device interface" yes with ATI X1300 video card? |
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| 19:24.10 | \amethyst | {cyborg}: it's a limitation of the VGA text-mode hardware |
| 19:24.30 | stew | sgeigerbot: if you are getting a "force loopbreak" warning, you are probably trying to skip a release. first upgrade to the intermediate release and then upgrade beyond it |
| 19:25.00 | stew | sgeigerbot: is it, perhaps, complaining about e2fsprogs? |
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| 19:25.00 | mschat | # Appears as ANNA |
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| 19:25.18 | {cyborg} | \amethyst: ok, I will try with another console font, and if it does not do the trick, I'll try setting up a fb, even on my 16/10 screen |
| 19:25.22 | concept10 | wols_, debian is not too bad for an embedded distro. It depends on what type of storage the device will have. If it has a hard disk, then everything is game. |
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| 19:25.49 | {cyborg} | \amethyst: thanks for your help |
| 19:26.10 | sgeigerbot | stew: I was using testing and then tried unstable. I don't think you understand. I was getting this message after a default install. |
| 19:26.29 | concept10 | wols_, but right now, im trying to get my stuff under 256 mb |
| 19:26.41 | stew | sgeigerbot: what package is it complaining about, and what does "apt-cache policy packagename" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:" |
| 19:26.49 | h3sp4wn | concept10: Are you using uclibc ? |
| 19:27.35 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, after reading many articles and wiki, im about to transition to that this weekend. |
| 19:27.52 | mschat | (#G010E476RM1) mmmmmm |
| 19:28.12 | sgeigerbot | stew: I'll check in a second. I'm in teh middle of an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade |
| 19:28.19 | sgeigerbot | stew: (Not sure how far I'll get. |
| 19:28.27 | sgeigerbot | stew: the upgrade was a non-starter |
| 19:29.01 | stew | sgeigerbot: that often happens for isntance when upgrading testing -> testing, but testing was released somewhere in between upgrades |
| 19:29.23 | sgeigerbot | stew: (none) |
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| 19:29.25 | stew | sgeigerbot: in which case the recomendation is to upgrade to stable, then back to testing |
| 19:29.38 | stew | sgeigerbot: then what is the other package involved in the loop? |
| 19:29.43 | wols_ | concept10: that's perfectly doable but far from what I consider embedded. 256MB storage or RAM? |
| 19:29.48 | sgeigerbot | stew: e2fsprogs |
| 19:30.01 | stew | what version of e2fsprogs is installed now |
| 19:30.15 | sgeigerbot | stew: Not sure. I just did apt-get -f install |
| 19:30.23 | stew | sgeigerbot: (notice that i mentioned e2fsprogs earlier, so i did probably understand what was goin on) |
| 19:30.24 | sgeigerbot | stew: I think e2fsprogs had to be uninstalled. |
| 19:30.29 | stew | sgeigerbot: no, it didn't |
| 19:30.38 | concept10 | wols_, 256MB storage, 128 MB ram (I can up the ram if I need to) |
| 19:31.01 | stew | sgeigerbot: you were trying to skip 2 releases, the recomended way of upgrading for you would be to upgrade to sarge, then to etch, then to lenny |
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| 19:31.03 | wols_ | concept10: can work fine. why do you have problems? I ran debian before (woody I think) on 170MB harddisk |
| 19:31.27 | sgeigerbot | stew: ah, okay. Which is testing? sarge? |
| 19:31.30 | stew | sgeigerbot: you had a version of e2fsprogs from before sarge was released and were trying to upgrade to lennies |
| 19:31.36 | sgeigerbot | stew: I know...I've been out of touch a while. |
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| 19:31.42 | stew | sgeigerbot: lenny. sarge is oldstable, etch is stable |
| 19:31.57 | sgeigerbot | ok, thanks. It might pay to download a new installer. |
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| 19:32.33 | fuzzy_logic | i have installed debian with all mail server packages.. how can i test if it works? |
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| 19:32.48 | concept10 | The project is simple (in my mind), gathering and configuring the packages is the heartache. I want to use a embedded platform to boot really fast under 10 secs and have LCD and knobs to control the applications. The application will be a LADSPA effect that I control with a python GUI wrapper that outputs to the LCD |
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| 19:33.55 | wols_ | concept10: why debian for this? |
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| 19:34.21 | fabian2 | hello |
| 19:34.21 | fabian2 | how do I install X what package do i get? |
| 19:34.33 | fabian2 | also my card wasn't recoged what do i do? |
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| 19:34.44 | fabian2 | where in the HOWTO or manual tell me what to do ? |
| 19:34.52 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me plz? i have installed debian with all mail server packages.. how can i test if it works? |
| 19:35.09 | NefariousPrior | fabian2: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 19:35.11 | markybob | fuzzy_logic: how do you think? send yourself an email from gmail or yahoo mail or whatever |
| 19:35.11 | concept10 | wols_, simple, package management (and familiarity) . Probably the same reason everyone chooses to base their system on Debian |
| 19:35.17 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: send a mail |
| 19:35.40 | stew | sgeigerbot: and btw, aptitude is much better than apt-get for sorting out the dependy problems you are probably experiencing |
| 19:35.55 | wols_ | concept10: this is embedded. what package management? |
| 19:36.02 | nicolas | does new harddrives are supposed to work with old motherboard ? |
| 19:36.08 | wols_ | concept10: how big is a businesscard install? shouldn't be big |
| 19:36.16 | wols_ | then go from there and kill of init servers ruthlessly |
| 19:36.22 | fuzzy_logic | markybob & petemc: i still didn't configure the dns and everything.. how do i do that in the first place? so that when i send to fuzzy@jointcoke.eu i get a mail? |
| 19:36.28 | markybob | nicolas: does an sata drive work on an old ide board? no |
| 19:36.31 | wols_ | nicolas: depends. how big is the harddisk and how old the mobo? |
| 19:36.44 | nicolas | markybob: they are both ide |
| 19:36.45 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: you need a mx record or an A record |
| 19:36.47 | wols_ | nicolas: if you buy a controller, it will be supported tho |
| 19:36.51 | sgeigerbot | stew: oky, thanks. |
| 19:36.59 | NefariousPrior | !aptitude |
| 19:37.13 | nicolas | wols_: its a 40gb hd, on a motherboard that used to came with a 1.2gb hd |
| 19:37.13 | markybob | nicolas: so yes |
| 19:37.14 | NefariousPrior | dpkg is ignoring me for some reason. |
| 19:37.25 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: what kind of settings do i have to fill in? |
| 19:37.38 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: fill in where? |
| 19:37.54 | wols_ | nicolas: linux will be able to access it. make a /boot partition which is very small at the beginning of the disk. and hope the BIOS recognizes the hdd |
| 19:37.55 | nicolas | hrm well, the bios ide auto-dectection just stalls |
| 19:38.04 | wols_ | not good |
| 19:38.04 | markybob | nicolas: upgrade your bios |
| 19:38.18 | wols_ | markybob: good luck finding an update for a baord that old |
| 19:38.25 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: i registered my domain at a domain company.. there i have access to the dns settings.. how do i have to configure them? |
| 19:38.37 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: point them to your IP |
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| 19:38.39 | nicolas | hehe well, ok, thanks a lot, ive found a way |
| 19:38.40 | markybob | wols_: i dont need luck...he does :) |
| 19:38.41 | wols_ | that's all it takes |
| 19:38.42 | h3sp4wn | nicolas: There might be a jumper on the back to force it to 32gb or so (but it could be the 8.4gb limit you are experiencing) |
| 19:38.53 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: the mx and a records? |
| 19:39.00 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: A only is sufficient |
| 19:39.08 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: create an A record, then create an mx record pointing to that A record |
| 19:39.19 | nicolas | h3sp4wn: hrm, no i used to have two 20gb |
| 19:39.21 | fuzzy_logic | ok thanks ill try that |
| 19:39.25 | petemc | mx record is "better" |
| 19:39.35 | nicolas | ill try a few things thanks |
| 19:39.44 | deeperror | is it possible to run netinst image from a usb drive? |
| 19:39.45 | spyro_boy | hey |
| 19:39.58 | concept10 | wols_, my current install (for that system) is around 245 packages. 500mb. I will be able to further slim down when I learn what I don't really need. That's why im always asking people "What can I get rid of?" type questions |
| 19:40.01 | markybob | deeperror: read the install manual |
| 19:40.08 | fuzzy_logic | silly question maybe.. but how do i see my ip adress in the terminal? haven't downloaded any window manager |
| 19:40.20 | sgeigerbot | ifconfig |
| 19:40.23 | wols_ | concept10: do you need X? |
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| 19:40.31 | sgeigerbot | fuzzy_logic: ifconfig |
| 19:40.32 | spyro_boy | what's up, clansmen? Anyway... my friend is trying to install PHP5 on his box but for some reason it keeps trying to install this assload of KDE apps and libraries. Is there a way to get it to ONLY install PHP5? |
| 19:40.33 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: ifconfig |
| 19:40.41 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: lynx www.whatismyip.org |
| 19:40.46 | fuzzy_logic | oh thanks sgeigerbot.. i told ipconfig like in windows :P but that of course didn't work :P |
| 19:40.48 | Damm_ | is it possible to get a Etch Cd with 2.6.19 or higher? that's already made, similar to the old backport's cd's? |
| 19:40.58 | wols_ | spyro_boy: what sources is he using? |
| 19:41.00 | concept10 | wols_, of course not. (that was without x) |
| 19:41.10 | stew | deeperror: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 19:41.11 | wols_ | concept10: how did you install? |
| 19:41.13 | spyro_boy | wols_, I'll check |
| 19:41.18 | sgeigerbot | spyro_boy: install from the tar.gz file if necessary. dependencies can be hell. |
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| 19:41.30 | roxy_ | does someone knows of a nspluginwrapper package ? |
| 19:41.47 | stew | roxy_: its a nasty hack |
| 19:42.00 | boodie | Yes - It doesn't work - at least for me |
| 19:42.00 | stew | spyro_boy: put the command they are using and the actual output into a pastebin |
| 19:42.01 | spyro_boy | sgeigerbot, I think he did |
| 19:42.02 | spyro_boy | anyway |
| 19:42.09 | spyro_boy | mm |
| 19:42.09 | spyro_boy | alright |
| 19:42.13 | roxy_ | stew: do you know any other way to get java/flash plugin on debian testing amd64 ? |
| 19:42.24 | stew | roxy_: no |
| 19:42.34 | bzed | roxy_: I user a 32bit opera for tha |
| 19:42.35 | stew | roxy_: well, besides running it in a 32 bit chroot |
| 19:42.41 | concept10 | wols_, I extracted a preselected bunch of packages (debian for mips). I want to be able to this for all platforms. There are several alternatives to do this. |
| 19:42.42 | h3sp4wn | roxy_: you can use blackdown java for the plugin (its 1.4 though) |
| 19:42.57 | sgeigerbot | spyro_boy: If you do go that route, I would make a .deb file with checkinstall. |
| 19:43.01 | markybob | roxy_: works fine here |
| 19:43.02 | h3sp4wn | concept10: What mips board are you using ? |
| 19:43.04 | bzed | stew: you don't really need a chroot. 32bit apps work very well with ia32-libs |
| 19:43.05 | wols_ | concept10: again: why can't you start with a businesscard or netinst? |
| 19:43.10 | concept10 | wols_, actually its fun, you find out how much _junk_ really comes with a GNU/Linux distro |
| 19:43.11 | boodie | I have installed a firefox plugin which downloads the movie, but without the audio |
| 19:43.17 | wols_ | that won#t give you 245/500MB package junk |
| 19:43.20 | deeperror | markybob: the install guide tells me how to boot from usb, but no info on how to install from usb |
| 19:43.22 | stew | bzed: omg lolz, how am i to be wathing dum frat boyz do stuff on utube? |
| 19:43.24 | fabian2 | if my VGA card is not recognized how do I find the name of the manufacturer etc? |
| 19:43.24 | roxy_ | markybob: you mean java and flash plugin works on amd64 ? |
| 19:43.31 | wols_ | concept10: there isn't too much junk in a netinst, but you wouldn't know I guess |
| 19:43.44 | bzed | roxy_: just put opera into /usr/local and run it |
| 19:43.53 | NefariousPrior | Are there any load managers for the console ?? |
| 19:43.54 | wols_ | fabian2: lspci -v |
| 19:44.02 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, im using a cobalt raq2 |
| 19:44.03 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: load managers? |
| 19:44.04 | spyro_boy | oh-well |
| 19:44.08 | h3sp4wn | bzed: There is no 32 bit sdl-libs though (only thing I would want it for) |
| 19:44.14 | markybob | roxy_: flash. i havent tried java |
| 19:44.17 | spyro_boy | I'm too lazy to paste this, he seemed to have compiled it and I'm a bit lazy today. |
| 19:44.17 | NefariousPrior | \amethyst: think gkrellm on the console. |
| 19:44.26 | roxy_ | markybob: where did you get the plugin ? |
| 19:44.26 | fabian2 | wols_: thanks. how do i get a driver for it ? |
| 19:44.30 | deeperror | ohh you just copy the iso to the stick? |
| 19:44.33 | spyro_boy | If he wants to know how to use apt, he'll come and ask. |
| 19:44.36 | bzed | stew: j00Z |\|07 L337 3|\|0U9|-|, 90 |-|0/\/\3 70 /\/\U/\/\/\/\'/ :P |
| 19:44.39 | markybob | roxy_: downloaded the source |
| 19:44.40 | spyro_boy | Seeya, thanks anyway. :) |
| 19:44.43 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: presumably you want more info than top provides? |
| 19:44.45 | wols_ | fabian2: how tf should I know what videochip you have? |
| 19:45.00 | NefariousPrior | \amethyst: Aye, and prettier. lol |
| 19:45.06 | h3sp4wn | concept10: upgraded the loader so you can accept 2.6 ? |
| 19:45.07 | stew | spyro_boy: if he compiled it, i can't imagine what it might have to do with apt wanting to install kde |
| 19:45.10 | bzed | h3sp4wn: did you try to compile them? |
| 19:45.11 | fuzzy_logic | how can i let the mx record point to the a record? |
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| 19:45.30 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, but im also using another small computer to develop the sound parts |
| 19:45.33 | bzed | fuzzy_logic: chamge the nameserver settings? |
| 19:45.34 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: while it is cleaner as petemc said, it's not necessary |
| 19:45.37 | markybob | fuzzy_logic: there are a million bind how-to's out there |
| 19:45.39 | spyro_boy | stew, he wanted to use apt, but apt kept trying to install KDE when he ran apt-get install php5 |
| 19:45.42 | h3sp4wn | bzed: I am not that bothered (only thing I would want it for is sdl-mame so I can use the asm optimisations) |
| 19:45.53 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, Linux blue 2.6.18-4-r5k-cobalt #1 Mon Mar 26 10:56:05 UTC 2007 mips GNU/Linux |
| 19:46.02 | h3sp4wn | bzed: Are you experienced at building packages against ia32-libs ? |
| 19:46.03 | fuzzy_logic | so i don't have to do that? just the a record is sufficient? |
| 19:46.07 | spyro_boy | here's the paste if anyone still cares: tonybox.net/~spyroboy/omgwtf |
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| 19:46.14 | stew | spyro_boy: i'd guess that has nothing to do with kde, but with some previous request. probably running "apt-get -f install " with no package names would also want to install kde |
| 19:46.17 | roxy_ | markybob: could you give me a link to the source ? |
| 19:46.22 | markybob | roxy_: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 19:46.27 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, i didnt do nothing but upgrade that box to etch and grabbed the new kernel |
| 19:46.29 | stew | spyro_boy: my recommendation would be to use the aptitude frontend to fix things |
| 19:46.33 | \amethyst | spyro_boy: what was the command? |
| 19:46.38 | bzed | h3sp4wn: no, didn't try it yet, but I guess you should be able to figure out how if you read the ia32 gtk libs source |
| 19:46.52 | spyro_boy | \amethyst, apt-get install php5 |
| 19:46.54 | roxy_ | markybob: thanks |
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| 19:47.02 | stew | spyro_boy: wait |
| 19:47.06 | fabian2 | I asked how do I install drivers from the VGA not the exact driver for it |
| 19:47.18 | wols_ | !tell fabian2 about drxx |
| 19:47.29 | fabian2 | like how do I list a debian repository of VGA drivers |
| 19:47.31 | stew | spyro_boy: i'll bet his sources point at "stable" instead of "sarge" and since stable changed from sarge to etch on sunday, he is unknowingly upgrading from sarge to etch |
| 19:47.31 | schoppenhauer | hello. i need a way to build a simple package ("quick and dirty") for a program i do not want to install outside the package-management, but with no package existing. checkinstall doesnt work for some reason i dont know ("segmentation fault" - why ever). What to do? |
| 19:47.36 | fabian2 | thanks wols |
| 19:47.41 | spyro_boy | stew, they do |
| 19:47.42 | schoppenhauer | (yes, its foo2zjs...) |
| 19:47.49 | spyro_boy | mm |
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| 19:47.56 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how can I know if a user exists in the system within a bash script? |
| 19:48.00 | spyro_boy | stew, so I guess that's the problem. |
| 19:48.04 | spyro_boy | I'll let him know |
| 19:48.08 | hunterones | how do i set only (10.0.0.2 and 10.0.0.3) to access ports 22 and 3689 ports when going outside my network? (my gateway is 10.0.0.1) |
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| 19:48.09 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, you have anything similar? |
| 19:48.17 | stew | spyro_boy: then he should either switch his sources to "sarge" to stay with sarge, or follow the upgrade procedure in: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:48.19 | schoppenhauer | (the documentation i read yesterday contented wrong information - the debian-package is *known* not to work) |
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| 19:48.20 | kuba | hey.how can i install 'Glibc' package?when i type apt-get install glibc it tells that there is no package like this |
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| 19:48.39 | \amethyst | kuba: it's called libc6 |
| 19:48.41 | wols_ | kuba: why would you want to install that |
| 19:48.42 | stew | kuba: its called "libc6" and it is already installed |
| 19:48.42 | tulio | yep |
| 19:48.44 | h3sp4wn | concept10: I have used them before (for work) |
| 19:48.54 | wols_ | kuba: you already have it otherwise your linux wouldn't run (not even apt-get) |
| 19:48.55 | stew | wols_: a system without libc6 would suck! :) |
| 19:49.10 | wols_ | stew: libc5 4 EVA! |
| 19:49.11 | kuba | wols_; for 'kadu' program :) |
| 19:49.14 | tulio | !tell tulio about apt |
| 19:49.14 | spyro_boy | stew, aight man. Thanks a bunch. That's a great help. :) |
| 19:49.14 | fuzzy_logic | allright.. i have changed the dns records.. i hope they work immediatly.. so when i send an e-mail to myself with a gmail or yahoo adress.. how can i check if i got it? is there a command for it? |
| 19:49.15 | roxy_ | stew: if I use a chroot 32 bit, could I use konqueror with all 32 bit plugins? would konqueror knows about outside of its root ?(I use it as file browser and stuff) |
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| 19:49.28 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: they won#t work immediately |
| 19:49.34 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: DNS is a distributed system |
| 19:49.44 | wols_ | if you are unlucky it takes uo |
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| 19:49.47 | wols_ | up to two days |
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| 19:49.58 | stew | roxy_: nothing inside the chroot would know anything about anything outside the chroot. you'd be installing a completely separate 32 bit version of debian inside the chroot |
| 19:50.01 | don_jr__ | Okay, I'm not sure what's going on. nvidia card worked, I restarted the box now it tells me it can't load the nvidia module kernel, how do I repair please? |
| 19:50.06 | h3sp4wn | concept10: build a managed gateway thing using redhat for them in maybe 2000 |
| 19:50.11 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: yes i was afraid of that.. but when i try tomorrow how should i check that? |
| 19:50.18 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, embedded linux is the only thing that excites me these days. You can build almost anything on this platform. |
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| 19:50.27 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: man dig, man nslookup |
| 19:50.28 | rahul | a distributed system is one where my program doesn't work because of a machine I've never heard of |
| 19:50.31 | h3sp4wn | concept10: Same |
| 19:50.37 | rahul | (paraphased from Lamport) |
| 19:50.41 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
| 19:50.46 | kuba | \amethyst: what command is to checking if i've got installed package? |
| 19:50.59 | shao_lo | can someone point me at a default apt sources.list? I did a minimal install and wound up with ony the sercurity entries |
| 19:51.09 | \amethyst | kuba: dpkg -l libc6 it's installed if the second letter is i |
| 19:51.18 | shao_lo | for etch that is |
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| 19:51.29 | wols_ | !tell shao_lo about mirrors |
| 19:51.31 | schoppenhauer | I really only need to build a simple .deb-file i can install... i dont need dependencies, nore do i need any other controls, besides the ability to remove all those files. |
| 19:51.31 | wols_ | shao_lo: use apt-spy |
| 19:51.37 | fabian2 | what's libc6 ? |
| 19:51.57 | bytekode | lol |
| 19:51.57 | fuzzy_logic | shit.. how can i come out of a manual? lol :| |
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| 19:51.57 | h3sp4wn | fabian2: glibc |
| 19:51.57 | stew | shao_lo: deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian etch main ; substitude your country code for XX, such as us or uk or nl or ca... |
| 19:51.57 | bytekode | what every C program is linked against.. kinda important |
| 19:52.01 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: q |
| 19:52.04 | wols_ | fabian2: C runtime library. the lib pretty much anything besides /sbin/init and your kernel links against |
| 19:52.09 | kuba | \amethyst : and i can check like this every package? |
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| 19:52.13 | fuzzy_logic | tnx |
| 19:52.17 | wintix | np |
| 19:52.20 | h3sp4wn | fabian2: linux forked it (and got upto libc5) then started using using the gnu one again |
| 19:52.22 | shao_lo | stew: thanks |
| 19:52.22 | don_jr__ | Can anyone tell me how to get my nvidia card to work again? I get an error that it cannod load the nvidia kernel module. |
| 19:52.26 | mafu | If I'm inside a vps, trying to install etch with debootstrap (the vps is sarge), how do I do it easily? Does anybody have a nice tutorial or something? |
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| 19:52.39 | bytekode | don_jr__: modprobe nvidia ? |
| 19:52.42 | h3sp4wn | fabian2: so even though the gnu version is 2.5 - linux still calls it libc5 |
| 19:52.43 | wintix | !tell don_jr__ about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:52.45 | h3sp4wn | fabian2: so even though the gnu version is 2.5 - linux still calls it libc6 |
| 19:52.46 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: that wasn't what i was looking for.. i want to see if a mail has arrived.. |
| 19:52.48 | tulio | what happened to dpkg ? :)_ |
| 19:53.00 | stew | tulio: she's napping |
| 19:53.10 | tulio | right :) |
| 19:53.16 | tulio | why she? |
| 19:53.16 | wintix | !tell don_jr__ about nvidia one liner |
| 19:53.16 | tulio | lol |
| 19:53.19 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: depends how you set up your mail system. you#re supposed to have set it up by now |
| 19:53.23 | schoppenhauer | i have heard something about "alien" and "any2deb"... but i dont really know how to use them. |
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| 19:53.37 | fabian2 | what's drxx |
| 19:53.41 | wols_ | schoppenhauer: at least alien is shit |
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| 19:53.45 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how can I probe the existence of a user within a bash script? |
| 19:53.47 | wols_ | fabian2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:53.55 | schoppenhauer | wols_: why? |
| 19:53.58 | wintix | what happened to the nvidia one liner factoid? |
| 19:54.07 | fabian2 | what does that do ? |
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| 19:54.10 | stew | schoppenhauer: what are you trying to install? |
| 19:54.15 | don_jr__ | bytekode I'm on irssi right now, trying to get my laptop back up so I can be on a graphical scene. I had my nvidia driver working just fine, then I just rebooted and now it's gone.... |
| 19:54.18 | bzed | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:54.23 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: i just installed the mail server packages at install.. the system did that automatically.. so i didn't really have insight on how it is configured.. |
| 19:54.26 | wols_ | bzed: no dpkg... |
| 19:54.33 | schoppenhauer | stew: still foo2zjs, as i already said. |
| 19:54.38 | bzed | wintix: I think stew is messing with the bot ;) |
| 19:54.47 | fabian2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is wrong |
| 19:54.48 | lokkju_wrk | so, I am building a new kernel (2.6.20.6) and having some issues. My current kernel is 2.6.18-4-686, stock, and works fine. I have installed my new kernel and initrd, but when I try booting from it, I get a cryptosetup "device not found" error. Before that, I see something about ide0 and ide1 not being probed, because they are in use. Any ideas? |
| 19:54.51 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: if I were you I'd configure it properly. no fun with mbox files in /var/mail/ |
| 19:54.52 | wintix | bzed: i see. |
| 19:54.56 | fabian2 | is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg spaced right ? |
| 19:54.57 | stew | bzed: not me! |
| 19:54.59 | schoppenhauer | stew: and *no*, there is *no* working debian-package already. |
| 19:55.02 | enyc | gonzaloaf_work: getent passwd (username) ?? |
| 19:55.02 | wols_ | fabian2: no it is not |
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| 19:55.09 | bzed | gonzaloaf_work: there're 123 ways to do this, which one do you like? |
| 19:55.11 | fabian2 | what's the correct ? |
| 19:55.20 | wols_ | fabian2: are you root? did you make a typo? |
| 19:55.29 | fabian2 | no |
| 19:55.38 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: im a complete noob on this.. can you please explain exactly what i should do? |
| 19:55.40 | wols_ | fabian2: what do you get when you type it? |
| 19:55.42 | fabian2 | dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work |
| 19:55.50 | Fox_1_ | people, i have installed fglrx driver and module, but when i type startx it's give me an error "(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so faild (libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)" what file it's want and where it must be? |
| 19:55.55 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: read. read a LOT |
| 19:55.56 | bzed | gonzaloaf_work: you could just grep trough /etc/passwd, or use id, or getent.. I'd say that depends on how well it fints into the things you wanna do |
| 19:55.57 | fabian2 | conflicting actions |
| 19:55.59 | fabian2 | conflicting actions |
| 19:56.02 | wols_ | fabian2: you typed it wrong. |
| 19:56.04 | stew | fabian2: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" with no space |
| 19:56.04 | lokkju_wrk | and I see *nothing* regarding /dev/hdaX, which is the device cryptosetup is looking for - it seems there is a problem mounting the drive? |
| 19:56.04 | enyc | gonzaloaf_work: notice this gives return codes... try "getent passwd untiheunintuhointuetnoi; echo $PIPESTATUS" |
| 19:56.10 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:56.12 | schoppenhauer | stew: i could use the simple installation-instructions... but i want to be able to remove this cleanly... thus, i want to use the package-management. |
| 19:56.16 | cusco | fabian2: dpkg-reconfigure in one word |
| 19:56.20 | enyc | gonzaloaf_work: notice this gives return codes... try "getent passwd gonzaloaf echo $PIPESTATUS" |
| 19:56.23 | fabian2 | it sayd dpkg-reconfigure unknown command |
| 19:56.26 | enyc | gonzaloaf_work: etc... |
| 19:56.33 | cusco | fabian2: as root |
| 19:56.36 | fabian2 | command not found |
| 19:56.36 | __bmgz__ | I am noticed that my server hangs indefinitely when I boot it wihout the clients up, I hangs while exportfs is executed, i get an error about "myclient has a non-inet addr" well its not on so nosurpise there, but shouldnt the comman skip on failure??(sarge) |
| 19:56.45 | stew | fabian2: as root |
| 19:56.48 | wols_ | fabian2: either you are not root or you are not running debian |
| 19:56.52 | wols_ | fabian2: you are probably not root |
| 19:57.08 | don_jr__ | okay, if I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I can make it to only 1 error, dvice not found, then I run nvidia-xconfig and it goes back to same error as in the beginning |
| 19:57.19 | don_jr__ | on sec, be back on konversation |
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| 19:57.56 | fabian2 | ok what driver do i choose ? |
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| 19:58.16 | fabian2 | vga or vesa? |
| 19:58.17 | stew | fabian2: what chipset does your card have? |
| 19:58.19 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 19:58.21 | fabian2 | i don't know |
| 19:58.28 | wols_ | fabian2: I told you to look via lspci |
| 19:58.32 | fabian2 | i did |
| 19:58.34 | fabian2 | it says |
| 19:58.36 | Harzilein | what do i need to unload/disable the ps/2 keyboard driver? |
| 19:58.41 | don_jr__ | Okay, now I cna use a pastebin. I have ran the nvidia one-liner already and my card was working just fine, then I restarted it and it's not working |
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| 19:58.45 | Harzilein | +do to |
| 19:58.56 | wols_ | don_jr__: changed kernels in between? |
| 19:59.00 | Fox_1_ | fabian2: you don't know what video card you have? |
| 19:59.04 | wols_ | don_jr__: and what does modprobe say? |
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| 19:59.15 | RedACE | I have an intel core 2 duo. Should I download the amd64 version or the i386 version? |
| 19:59.16 | Harzilein | i want to write stuff to it with /dev/port, but i don't want the kernel do slurp up my replies |
| 19:59.17 | wols_ | Fox_1_: "it's a dell" |
| 19:59.22 | fabian2 | lspci -v says: |
| 19:59.23 | wols_ | RedACE: i386 |
| 19:59.24 | fabian2 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 946GZ/GL Integrated Graphic |
| 19:59.31 | fabian2 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 946GZ/GL Integrated Graphic |
| 19:59.37 | don_jr__ | wols_ I didn't change kernels I don't htink...unless uninstalling ndiswrapper kernel modual would have done that |
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| 19:59.39 | fabian2 | s Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 19:59.39 | wols_ | fabian2: intel then. i810 I think |
| 19:59.40 | h3sp4wn | RedACE: upto you - either |
| 19:59.45 | Fox_1_ | wols_: aaa ok |
| 19:59.58 | wols_ | don_jr__: what does modprobe say? |
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| 20:00.10 | sgeigerbot | Has the 'debian-installer' become the main installer now? (I think at one time it was associated with a 1-CD download, but it appears to be part of the main debian project now.) |
| 20:00.21 | RedACE | sgeigerbot, netinst |
| 20:00.29 | fabian2 | wols_: how do you know it's a dell ? |
| 20:00.37 | wols_ | fabian2: divine inspiration |
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| 20:00.42 | wathek | hello all |
| 20:00.43 | fabian2 | no please tell me :D |
| 20:00.51 | fabian2 | please :) |
| 20:00.53 | wols_ | fabian2: your cluelessness about it |
| 20:00.58 | fabian2 | lol |
| 20:00.58 | nicolas | fabian2: recent dells usually have these chipset |
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| 20:01.08 | Fox_1_ | ok, people what about my problem? |
| 20:01.11 | sgeigerbot | RedACE: ah, netinst is still alive? |
| 20:01.14 | don_jr__ | wols_ it's on my other box, will take a moment to type it all into a pastebin but in general it says the nvidia probe was not called for 1 device because rivafb, nvidiafb or rivatv has loaded and obtained ownership of the nvidia devices. try unloading those devices or kernel module and try loading nvidia kernel module again. |
| 20:01.24 | snx01 | hi all |
| 20:01.38 | RedACE | sgeigerbot, as opposed to...? |
| 20:01.38 | wols_ | don_jr__: that's it. don't let the kernel load the framebuffer driver |
| 20:01.45 | fabian2 | thanks wols_ |
| 20:01.48 | wathek | After updating a Debian Sarge with apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:02.04 | don_jr__ | wols_ so run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tell it no framebuffer? or is there another way I need/should doit? |
| 20:02.08 | nicolas | Fox_1_: its a no such file or directory error, which usually means the thing is not installed correctly |
| 20:02.08 | sgeigerbot | RedACE: I thought that was obsoleted by the debian-installer. |
| 20:02.09 | wathek | it doesn't change the /etc/debian_version or /etc/issue ? |
| 20:02.14 | RedACE | hi ohanrahahanoyingname |
| 20:02.19 | wols_ | Fox_1_: fglrx will NOT work with AIGLX |
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| 20:02.29 | sgeigerbot | RedACE: does netinst now use the debian-installer interface? |
| 20:02.42 | kuba | what internet messenger do you use? |
| 20:02.42 | fabian2 | wols_: it prompts me for Video card's bus identifier !!! |
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| 20:02.49 | wols_ | fabian2: leave blank |
| 20:02.49 | Fox_1_ | wols_: so? what i must turn off? |
| 20:02.55 | wols_ | Fox_1_: aiglx |
| 20:02.56 | snx01 | i have a general question about raid - if i have a raid 1 array configured and 1 disk fails, can the failed disk be pulled from the debian box while it's still running? the server is a dell poweredge 1650 perc 4/di |
| 20:03.06 | RedACE | I don't know what debian-installer is. netinst works fine for me |
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| 20:03.17 | wathek | how can I check if I got the latest version of Debian ? |
| 20:03.20 | wols_ | snx01: only if it's a hotswappable controller, disk and driver |
| 20:03.23 | fabian2 | use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 20:03.28 | amphi | wathek: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:03.42 | wathek | amphi it says that I got Debian 3.1 |
| 20:03.44 | wols_ | wathek: cat /etc/debian_version or dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 20:03.49 | wathek | ok |
| 20:03.56 | Fox_1_ | wols_: i have not aiglx in xorg.conf or i must remove glx? |
| 20:04.07 | wols_ | Fox_1_: you can remove that for trubleshooting yes |
| 20:04.17 | don_jr__ | wols_ how do I tell the kernel to notload the framebuffer driver?? |
| 20:04.22 | wols_ | Fox_1_: how did you install fglrx? |
| 20:04.28 | fabian2 | wols_ : use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
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| 20:04.47 | wols_ | don_jr__: beats me. what kernel version (I don't use a debian kernel and don't compile framebuffers in) |
| 20:04.51 | Fox_1_ | wols_: i have download fglrx*.deb and installed it |
| 20:04.54 | wathek | wols_ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 doesn't tell anything and debian_version says that I got debian 3.1 how ever I did an upgrade |
| 20:05.07 | wols_ | Fox_1_: good luck then |
| 20:05.21 | amphi | wathek: you edited your sources.list and dist-upgraded? |
| 20:05.22 | Fox_1_ | wols_: X does not starts |
| 20:05.24 | don_jr__ | wols_ okay, I"m on debian kernel version is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:05.35 | wols_ | wathek: I don't believe you. without a libc6 yoU#d be up shit creek without a paddle |
| 20:05.40 | lokkju_wrk | hmm... so from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 the kernel changes how it detects IDE drives, and names them. My drives were /dev/hda, now are /dev/sda - how can I config my initrd for 2.6.20.6 to reflect that change for cryptsetup? |
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| 20:05.43 | wols_ | wathek: did you a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:05.49 | hiitsme | hallooooooooooo |
| 20:05.53 | hiitsme | i am newwwwww |
| 20:05.54 | hiitsme | heheheheeheehhehhe |
| 20:05.55 | wathek | wols_ yes I did |
| 20:06.13 | wols_ | wathek: paste your sources.list in pastebin |
| 20:06.15 | Fox_1_ | wols_: it's write: "fatal IO error 104..." |
| 20:06.16 | wathek | but I didn't edit my sources list |
| 20:06.54 | not_benh | hello again everyone. |
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| 20:07.15 | wols_ | stew: can you crack the whip on dpkg to work again, pretty please? |
| 20:07.23 | stew | wols_: wish i could |
| 20:07.37 | not_benh | is there a good way to reset the X keybindings for general things like copy/paste? or can I only re-map the keys? |
| 20:07.38 | wols_ | dpkg: you're a big bad mean tosser |
| 20:07.40 | wols_ | so there |
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| 20:07.58 | stew | wols_: actually, i feel her return is immenent |
| 20:08.06 | wols_ | about time |
| 20:08.15 | nicolas | how do you call a hard drive that is 3.5" large but 1 cm less thicker, is it still a standard 3.5" ? |
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| 20:08.26 | wols_ | nicolas: slimline? |
| 20:08.40 | wols_ | nicolas: what drive is it? |
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| 20:08.48 | tomdick | nicolas: usually i call them a maxtor piece o' crap |
| 20:08.50 | stew | dondelelcaro: wrong nick still |
| 20:08.52 | nicolas | its 40gb maxtor |
| 20:08.59 | RedACE | 4.0 stable = etch? |
| 20:09.00 | nicolas | tomdick: really ? :) |
| 20:09.13 | tomdick | nicolas: i've just had bad luck with them |
| 20:09.26 | fuzzy_logic | stupid question :P how can i shutdown from the terminal? |
| 20:09.35 | Fox_1_ | wols_: "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining" |
| 20:09.43 | don_jr__ | what's the name of the bot guy here? so I can have him send me the nvidia one-liner info again |
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| 20:09.55 | fuzzy_logic | !nvidia |
| 20:09.55 | wols_ | don_jr__: out of commission right now |
| 20:09.55 | dpkg_ | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 20:09.58 | tomdick | don_jr__: dpkg |
| 20:10.09 | wols_ | Fox_1_: do dpkg-reconfigure again until it works basically |
| 20:10.19 | wols_ | e.g. don't use the framebuffer this time, etc |
| 20:10.26 | wols_ | also paste your Xorg.0.log in a pastebin |
| 20:10.44 | Fox_1_ | how? i work in console:) |
| 20:10.51 | wintix | dpkg is back :) |
| 20:10.51 | fabian2 | ok |
| 20:10.53 | schoppenhauer | can one also only include the source-tarball and give instructions for installing and uninstalling it (i.e. "make install", "make uninstall")? |
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| 20:11.06 | schoppenhauer | in a debian-package, i mean. |
| 20:11.07 | fabian2 | my display got all screwed up |
| 20:11.12 | wathek | wols_, this is my sources.list |
| 20:11.13 | nicolas | wols_: yea you're right, i just google imaged "maxtor slimline" and that exactly this |
| 20:11.14 | wathek | http://www.pastebin.ca/438696 |
| 20:11.16 | don_jr__ | This is frustrating......my card was working fine till I restarted my computer....... |
| 20:11.24 | dalias | grrr someone should fix !nvidia so it says that nvidia is supported just fine with the included "nv" driver |
| 20:11.27 | fabian2 | i have a grey screen with a disabled shell prompt in the upper left quadrant |
| 20:11.31 | fabian2 | and no keyboard response |
| 20:11.38 | fabian2 | and a X shaped pointer |
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| 20:11.47 | nicolas | dalias: fine but without acceleration |
| 20:11.53 | don_jr__ | dalias even the 3d support with nv drivers?? |
| 20:12.07 | nicolas | oh maybe.. |
| 20:12.09 | nicolas | :P |
| 20:12.20 | markybob | fuck |
| 20:12.28 | fabian2 | how do I get out of this and ensure my system doesn't start in xwindow mode? |
| 20:12.36 | fabian2 | i'm ssh'd to it now |
| 20:12.41 | fabian2 | so what to do ? |
| 20:12.53 | wols_ | wathek: use ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 20:12.53 | markybob | fabian2: update-rc.d -f gdm remove if you wanna keep gdm from starting on boot |
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| 20:13.01 | tomdick | fabian2: make sure that gdm / xdm / kdm aren't installed or called from another script |
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| 20:13.12 | stew | !wb |
| 20:13.17 | dpkg | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
| 20:13.28 | wathek | wols_, ok |
| 20:13.40 | schoppenhauer | ok. seems like i *have* to install it without the package management... there seem not to be any utilities where i can easily build one... |
| 20:13.54 | Fox_1_ | fglrxinfo doesn't work |
| 20:14.34 | stew | schoppenhauer: did you file a bug against the debian package? |
| 20:14.34 | schoppenhauer | stew: yes. |
| 20:14.34 | fabian2 | i'd like to learn make |
| 20:14.35 | wathek | wols_, it's ftp://fr.debian.org ? |
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| 20:15.11 | Fox_1_ | wols_: fglrxinfo give this result "Error: unable to open display :0" |
| 20:15.22 | schoppenhauer | stew: but i have no time to await this. i need to print /today/... it would be enough to me to have a package which will only run "make && ./getweb && make install && macke install-hotplug" when installing and "make uninstall" when uninstalling... so at least i have something like a package... |
| 20:15.26 | dalias | don_jr__, software mesagl does 3d |
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| 20:15.47 | nicolas | tomdick: they say these drive have a G-List corruption protection that has caused many problems |
| 20:16.09 | tvynr | Basic systems question: is there any way to make a child process wholly dependent upon a parent process? I'm writing a program which will launch and monitor another program; the child process's execution only makes sense in the presence of the parent process in this case, so if the parent process gets killed, I want the child process to respond by acting on the same signal. |
| 20:16.09 | GoClick | I have an array that I'd like to auto-mount as /var when I boot (I'm using Ubuntu but ##ubuntu is useless) |
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| 20:16.21 | schoppenhauer | stew: do you know how to build this? |
| 20:16.27 | markybob | !debian based |
| 20:16.27 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 20:16.31 | RedACE | netinst is saying it can't detect my cdrom |
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| 20:16.39 | stew | schoppenhauer: i had never even heard of this package before you mentioned it today |
| 20:17.02 | stew | schoppenhauer: can you either use checkinstall to manage the make install bits? or install it into a chroot that you can throw away if you ever get a fixed package? |
| 20:17.27 | tvynr | GoClick: Are you using mdadm for array management? |
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| 20:17.35 | schoppenhauer | stew: fakeroot... i remember i used fakeroot with alien some time ago... what do i have to do? any instructions? |
| 20:18.45 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: what do you want to do? :) |
| 20:18.45 | tomdick | RedACE: sometimes you can clean the cd / blow out the cdrom drive / try again & it'll work. otherwise i'd try a spare drive if you have one |
| 20:18.46 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: i want to build a package for me. |
| 20:18.46 | RedACE | the drive is working |
| 20:18.46 | |chiz| | Where should I mount sda1 and sda2 which are both ntfs drives so that nautilus will be able to browse them both properly? |
| 20:18.46 | RedACE | the machine booted into the debian installer |
| 20:18.46 | relia | 's the best way to have a root terminal? x-terminal -emulator -e su -l (?) |
| 20:18.46 | tomdick | i'm running kde and just plugged in a usb memory key. i get this: http://pastebin.ca/438698 in a popup window. anyone get this before? |
| 20:18.46 | RedACE | but the installer itself says it can't detect the cdrom drive |
| 20:18.46 | GoClick | tvynr: yes I am |
| 20:18.46 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: ok, what from? |
| 20:18.47 | helo | anyone know of a little script that will help make C code more readable? i have this code that has no spaces within most lines and expressions... |
| 20:18.47 | stew | schoppenhauer: have a look at the checkinstall package |
| 20:18.48 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: foo2zjs from tarball |
| 20:18.51 | \amethyst | helo: indent |
| 20:18.57 | schoppenhauer | stew: checkinstall doesnt work (as i already said) |
| 20:18.59 | tomdick | RedACE: i know, that's what i'm talking about. i've gotten that message before. |
| 20:19.02 | \amethyst | helo: it's not a little script, though :) |
| 20:19.08 | tvynr | GoClick: In /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf (or wherever Ubuntu puts your mdadm.conf), what does your "ARRAY" line look like? |
| 20:19.17 | schoppenhauer | stew: this is the reason why i dont want to use it |
| 20:19.24 | RedACE | tomdick: It's a brand new drive in a brand new computer... I don't think it's dusty |
| 20:19.31 | tvynr | GoClick: (Whether you're using Ubuntu or not, I'm willing to try to help with mdadm. :) ) |
| 20:19.32 | GoClick | I dunno just yet, the machine is busy copying the contents of /var to /newvar |
| 20:19.36 | helo | sounds like what i need :) |
| 20:19.50 | tomdick | RedACE: not saying it _will_ work just that i've done that & its worked for me |
| 20:20.01 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: from orig tarball it's a bit hard, you should have a look the maint-guide on debian.org ;) |
| 20:20.07 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 20:20.14 | tvynr | GoClick: My mdadm.conf's ARRAY line looks like this: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=5 UUID=9b4e5921:58e40c39:55cfd3a3:d6fe17ca |
| 20:20.33 | wathek | wols_, I think that ftp://fr.debian.org doesn't work |
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| 20:20.42 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: i dont want to maintain... i only want a little package for my personal purposes, to keep my system "clean" |
| 20:20.44 | GoClick | yeah mine looks like that too only raid1 |
| 20:20.45 | tvynr | GoClick: So, to mount said array at /data, I put this line in my /etc/fstab: UUID=a253bb41-37c0-4d07-a1eb-d5b473d90ddc /data ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 20:20.57 | tvynr | GoClick: Oops |
| 20:21.10 | tvynr | GoClick: Sorry, I forgot - it's not dependent upon mdadm.conf |
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| 20:21.18 | tvynr | GoClick: That's the UUID of my ext3 filesystem :) |
| 20:21.20 | Harzilein | i have become lazy a bit and wonder if there's some ready-made program in debian that can manage recompiling the current kernel with the sources from linux-sources and the /boot/config-* entry and make a nice kernel package out of it |
| 20:21.34 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: from source package it's quite esay, but from an unpackaged tarball it's different, have you ever used debhelper for example? |
| 20:21.43 | tvynr | GoClick: Now that I have my head on straight, do this: |
| 20:21.47 | war_ | raid rules |
| 20:21.48 | \amethyst | Harzilein: kernel-package ? |
| 20:21.51 | war_ | especially 7 raptors raid 5 |
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| 20:22.04 | GoClick | tvynr: can we private chat? |
| 20:22.07 | RedACE | there is no /dev/cdrom |
| 20:22.17 | tvynr | GoClick: copy that line I said I put in my /etc/fstab and change your UUID to whatever UUID comes up when you run: /sbin/blkid /dev/md0 |
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| 20:22.40 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: this also didnt work... gave some make-errors while compiling, which i didnt have when not compiling. |
| 20:22.48 | schoppenhauer | erm when compiling without debhelper, i mean |
| 20:22.50 | GoClick | tvynr: nothing came up |
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| 20:23.03 | don_jr__ | this is getting worse, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is telling me that xserver.xorg isnt' even installed now.... |
| 20:23.15 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: could you paste me those errors? :) |
| 20:23.41 | omg0 | I cannot play any streaming video on my computer |
| 20:23.47 | wintix | don_jr__: maybe you should consider running fsck on the filesystem. |
| 20:23.47 | omg0 | the applications crash |
| 20:23.50 | smoker | RedACE, /dev/hdc |
| 20:23.52 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: no... this was this afternoon (for me its 22:23 now)... i dont know what exactly i did. i followed http://antbear.org/debpkg-intro.html |
| 20:24.07 | omg0 | can anyone else play streaming videos? |
| 20:24.16 | wintix | !anyone |
| 20:24.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:24.45 | dondelelcaro | omg0: it depends on the type, but yes, we can. |
| 20:24.45 | wols_ | omg0: vlc |
| 20:24.58 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: is there at least some possibility to write a bashscript unpacking and making and installing the source-tarball when installing, and running "make uninstall" when uninstalling? this would be at least some kind of clean... |
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| 20:25.18 | omg0 | wols: none of the shoutcast streams I am running works on VLC |
| 20:25.22 | |chiz| | I mount sda1 and sda2 which are both ntfs drives so that nautilus will be able to browse them both properly? |
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| 20:25.53 | phretor | hi there |
| 20:26.02 | don_jr__ | wintix I try running fsck and I get fsck.ext3. Bad magic number in super-block while trying to re-open /dev/hdb1 |
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| 20:26.26 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: hum, you could also configure with ./configure prefix=/usr, and make uninstall when uninstalling, it should be perhaps a bit more "cleaner", but if you need an app to be packaged, please fil a bug ;) |
| 20:26.29 | relia | Will I have to manually upgrade the nvidia-kernel-* packages every kernel upgrade? |
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| 20:26.32 | omg0 | wols_, Can you post a video link that works for you? |
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| 20:26.58 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: this has no configure-script. it is a printer-driver. |
| 20:27.10 | phretor | I've recompiled the kernel (yes, following the debian way) with the UFS2_WRITE_SUPPORT enabled (as suggested here (http://geek00l.blogspot.com/2007/02/gentoo-mounting-ufs2.html) - however I still get the message "ufs2 have been compiled with read-only support" when mounting |
| 20:27.13 | schoppenhauer | freacky22527: ok. i will just install it without the package management |
| 20:27.27 | stew | schoppenhauer: install it to a chroot |
| 20:27.28 | schoppenhauer | atm i have no nerves to do it in another way :( |
| 20:27.33 | schoppenhauer | stew: and then? |
| 20:27.45 | freacky22527 | schoppenhauer: and also have a look to how to fil an RFP (Request fot Package) bug ;) |
| 20:27.46 | wintix | don_jr__: sorry, no idea how to fix that |
| 20:27.48 | stew | schoppenhauer: then whe you have a better way to install it you can ditch the croot |
| 20:27.51 | stew | chroot |
| 20:28.01 | don_jr__ | guess I'm reinstalling once again.... |
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| 20:28.12 | stew | freacky22527: its been packaged already, he doesn't want to use the package becuase it doesn't include the non-free bits |
| 20:28.13 | schoppenhauer | stew: but... a chroot needs /usr/bin, etc. |
| 20:28.18 | stew | schoppenhauer: yes |
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| 20:28.32 | schoppenhauer | stew: this is hard to configure... |
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| 20:28.35 | wintix | don_jr__: if you have such weird problems over and over again, maybe there is a physical problem with your hardware? |
| 20:28.35 | wathek | is it possible to run apt-get in background from an ssh client and then close the ssh session and keep apt-get working ? |
| 20:28.49 | wintix | wathek: have a look at screen |
| 20:28.55 | wathek | !screen |
| 20:28.56 | dpkg | i heard screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
| 20:29.00 | schoppenhauer | wathek: screen |
| 20:29.00 | don_jr__ | wintix I havn't had any problems untill today when I was tryingto get my wireless to work. It's been fine for about a week n ow. |
| 20:29.01 | wathek | wintix ok |
| 20:29.23 | helo | screen is the best thing ever |
| 20:29.27 | Mazingaro | schoppenhauer: a philosopher among us? |
| 20:29.33 | schoppenhauer | Mazingaro: ? |
| 20:29.45 | freacky22527 | stew: oh okay |
| 20:29.55 | Mazingaro | schopenauer |
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| 20:30.12 | schoppenhauer | my name is basing on him, yes. |
| 20:30.30 | kmyst | screen rules |
| 20:30.39 | Mazingaro | you did apt-get update? |
| 20:30.46 | Mazingaro | schoppenhauer: you did apt-get update? |
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| 20:31.09 | |chiz| | *Where should I mount sda1 and sda2 which are both ntfs drives so that nautilus will be able to browse them both properly, I'm using Debian testing? |
| 20:31.37 | schoppenhauer | Mazingaro: yes... |
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| 20:32.08 | wintix | |chiz|: doesn't matter where you mount it. you only have to make sure it's readable for the user which whom you are trying to acces the files. |
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| 20:32.25 | Mazingaro | schoppenhauer: my nick is the result from mazinger (a japanese anime when I was 10) and "zingaro" an italian word to name a gipsy (well a very dirt one like rom) |
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| 20:33.16 | Z0iberg | hi there, does anyone know which package contains genksyms? |
| 20:33.35 | RedACE | /dev/hdc didn't work |
| 20:33.44 | RedACE | there are no /dev/hd* |
| 20:34.18 | |chiz| | wintix: I mounted it on /media/sda1, and I can read it if I go there by following the path that start with the root directory but if I goto places and then computer and select the drive there, it tries to mount sda1 again and bitches about permissions. |
| 20:34.28 | schoppenhauer | so. i now installed it without any package-management... it worked "from scratch"... |
| 20:34.34 | Mazingaro | is there a way to change volume to an mp3 file? I need to uniform volume from different songs to do a compilation :) |
| 20:34.50 | |chiz| | RedACE: you might have sata drives, so try sda or sdc ... |
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| 20:35.15 | schoppenhauer | sorry, but who ever maintains the foo2zjs-package seems not to be very smart, making it even more complicated instead of easier to install that package. |
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| 20:35.24 | dalias | mazingaro, there's a program that can do it semi-losslessly (without decoding and reencoding the file, just modifying the encoded file) |
| 20:35.28 | RedACE | yes there's a /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 |
| 20:35.29 | dalias | however |
| 20:35.36 | dalias | i dont know the name right off |
| 20:35.37 | RedACE | wouldn't that be my hard drive though? I want the cdrom drive |
| 20:35.40 | dalias | search for mp3 normalize |
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| 20:36.03 | dalias | but be aware that 'peak normalization' is horribly incorrect and does NOT give equal or even comparable loudness |
| 20:36.17 | RedACE | /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 didn't work |
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| 20:36.25 | wintix | |chiz|: if its properly mounted to /media/sda1 and if you can access it via console, nautilus shouldn't have any problems, too. maybe you were root while you tried to acces it via console? |
| 20:36.31 | dalias | you need rms/meansquare/l2/whatever normalization |
| 20:36.55 | dalias | the program that does the semi-lossless renormalization should have good info about different methods and which one you should use |
| 20:36.57 | schoppenhauer | cu all |
| 20:38.38 | |chiz| | RedACE: my cdrom on this laptop is at /dev/scd0 |
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| 20:40.28 | RedACE | it seems to be a bug according to some forums I'm reading |
| 20:40.46 | RedACE | I should just install from my old 3.1 disk and upgrade after |
| 20:41.57 | RedACE | heh there was a stuck pixel on this lcd |
| 20:42.06 | RedACE | I pushed the screen with my finger and it fixed it |
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| 20:46.03 | drjackzon | Greetings. |
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| 20:50.34 | hunterones2 | how do i set only (10.0.0.2 and 10.0.0.3) to access ports 22 and 3689 ports when going outside my network? (my gateway is 10.0.0.1) :X |
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| 20:51.36 | xand | hunterones2: you want to block .3 and .2 from accessing other ports on external hosts? use iptables |
| 20:52.07 | hunterones2 | xand, i dont know the sintax.. because it goes 3 lines... 1 for blocking everyone and + 2 letting 2 hosts connect outside |
| 20:52.12 | dos000 | how do you determine hdd hogging files on a particular partion ? i have a / partition that is filled and i need to know which files are causing it whithout searching for the other mounted partitions below / ? |
| 20:53.30 | xand | hunterones2: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -s 10.0.0.2 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:53.35 | phretor | is anyone capable of mounting an UFS2 with **write** support? |
| 20:53.55 | Harzilein | dos000: you are likely trying to find the -x option to du or the -xdev option to find |
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| 20:54.17 | xand | iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP |
| 20:54.21 | xand | hunterones2: or something |
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| 20:55.12 | dos000 | Harzilein: you are the man |
| 20:55.19 | SeanTater | Is it possible to compage the contents of a package to what is really installed (For example, to see if any configuration files have changed) |
| 20:55.38 | dos000 | someone stupidely decide to make / a 200 m partition :( |
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| 20:56.36 | xand | phretor: probably depends what kind of ufs |
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| 20:56.41 | xand | (what OS its from) |
| 20:56.52 | valdyn | SeanTater: changes are listed in the changelog |
| 20:57.01 | phretor | xand: FreeBSD 5.x (it should be ufs2 or 5xbsd) |
| 20:57.09 | SeanTater | valdyn: Thanks, I'll try that |
| 20:57.17 | dos000 | does the /lib/modules have to on the same partition as / ? |
| 20:57.27 | h3sp4wn | dos000: 256mb is the recommended size for / on freebsd |
| 20:57.36 | valdyn | SeanTater: debian does respect your config files , it wont just overwrite your config file(s) |
| 20:57.49 | shaunw | hey, ive just installed lenny on my macbook, and im getting a "unable to open display ''" when doing an xmodmap |
| 20:57.56 | {Nathan} | Debian runs great on a 133mhz laptop! |
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| 20:58.13 | hiitsme | http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6238/img0127ng4.jpg |
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| 20:58.20 | hiitsme | those spiders are everywhere in my room |
| 20:58.21 | hiitsme | x_X |
| 20:58.22 | dos000 | h3sp4wn: how big are the lib/modules on freebad ? i just installed 3 home built kernels and / is full now |
| 20:58.34 | {Nathan} | hiitsme: arersol can + lighter = spider fun |
| 20:58.47 | dos000 | h3sp4wn: these must be some freebad heads |
| 20:58.57 | SeanTater | valdyn: I know (and I'm thankful for it) |
| 20:58.58 | shaunw | anyone have any ideas on how i can fix this? the command is xmodmap -e 'keycode 116 = Pointer_Button2' |
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| 20:59.35 | valdyn | SeanTater: still not entirely sure what you really need |
| 20:59.52 | stew | shaunw: you are running xmodmap from within X? |
| 20:59.52 | h3sp4wn | dos000: I don't know what you mean |
| 21:00.10 | shaunw | stew: no, the shell |
| 21:00.14 | |chiz| | wintix: the permissions are 777 for /media/sda1 |
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| 21:00.28 | shaunw | x is running on ctrl-alt-f7 tho... |
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| 21:00.33 | dos000 | is there a way i can tell a package to cleanup the mess it installed ? i have a kernel-image-bla that fails due to / being full but it does not cleanup the files it installed half way. |
| 21:00.54 | valdyn | dos000: free space, install that package again, remove it |
| 21:01.11 | stew | shaunw: "DISPLAY=:0 xmodmap.." then. xmodmap needs to talk to your xserver (it only affects the x server) and it finds the X xerver via the DISPLAY env variable |
| 21:01.26 | dos000 | valdyn: i have no way of providing enough space for it |
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| 21:01.30 | stew | shaunw: were you expecting xmodmap to affect your console environment? (it wont) |
| 21:01.36 | valdyn | dos000: why dont you? |
| 21:01.51 | nexex | when installing a specified version of a package (i.e. apt-get -s --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5=5.2.0-8+etch1) is there a way to (re)install the matching deps without having to specify them all as well? |
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| 21:02.11 | shaunw | stew: ty, i will try that. |
| 21:02.13 | valdyn | dos000: what you want to do is not supported by debian, you can still do it manually. Freeing space should be alot easier |
| 21:02.32 | alleyoopster | how do i stop agpgpart loading with nvidia? |
| 21:03.02 | valdyn | alleyoopster: why would you want to stop that? |
| 21:03.07 | dos000 | valdyn: thank you .. i think i'll just blow /lib/modules/<kernel> |
| 21:03.33 | alleyoopster | valdyn: resume hanging system when using nvidia driver |
| 21:03.43 | valdyn | alleyoopster: so dont use the nvidia driver? |
| 21:04.07 | alleyoopster | valdyn: that is 1 option |
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| 21:04.38 | wintix | dos000: also look in /boot |
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| 21:05.06 | alleyoopster | valdyn: but nv fails to blank screen and i would like 3d for some things |
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| 21:05.17 | ooglaboogla | can someone tell me how to install a 32-bit program on amd64 bit system, i've installed ia32-libs package |
| 21:05.33 | ooglaboogla | and i have a i386 .deb file for picasa |
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| 21:05.57 | valdyn | ooglaboogla: you cant use 386 debs on a debian/amd64 system |
| 21:06.07 | shaunw | hmm, sorry for the newbie questions, but now i get a "connection to ":0.0" refused by server" |
| 21:06.13 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 21:06.13 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:06.18 | haxality | hello, I need to configure my synaptics touchpad driver to allow horizontal scrolling. |
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| 21:06.56 | alleyoopster | valdyn: if "blacklist" was for me, tried it and nvidia forces the load |
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| 21:07.20 | valdyn | alleyoopster: you didnt do that right thing, look at the end of what dpkg lists |
| 21:07.21 | ooglaboogla | valdyn: google's website says i can here -> http://picasa.google.com/linux/faq.html#2 |
| 21:07.39 | ooglaboogla | valdyn: but doesn't tell me how to install it |
| 21:08.02 | ooglaboogla | valdyn: do i need to install from the source |
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| 21:08.06 | valdyn | ooglaboogla: it might say that you can use i386 softare on a amd64 debian system, you CANT use 386 debs though |
| 21:08.26 | SeanTater | valdyn: (sorry, my internet connection has been flaky), but I'd like to know which configuration files I have changed, for backups -- thanks in advance |
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| 21:08.38 | |chiz| | Ok so Nautilus lists my partitions that I have on my computer, I've put these partitions in my fstab but when I try to open the drive in nautilus it tries to mount it again and fails, does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 21:08.49 | ooglaboogla | valdyn: ok i got that i'll download the source packages and see if i can get them working |
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| 21:09.36 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 21:09.36 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:10.27 | xand | haha, picasa on linux = windows version on wine |
| 21:10.28 | alleyoopster | dpkg: I entered the modules in /etc/modprobe.conf/blacklists, are you saying this is not enough? |
| 21:10.30 | dpkg | alleyoopster: what are you talking about? |
| 21:10.55 | SeanTater | alleyoopster: You are talking to a bot.. |
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| 21:11.03 | valdyn | SeanTater: debsums can do that |
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| 21:16.35 | alleyoopster | :) lol |
| 21:16.36 | SeanTater | valdyn: I'll search for it, thanks |
| 21:16.37 | Suprano | hmm i just installed the therion package .. but it wont start .. : therion 0.3.10 |
| 21:16.37 | Suprano | sh: cavern: command not found \n initialization file: /etc/therion.ini \n reading ... done \n therion: error -- source files not specified |
| 21:16.37 | shaunw | which configuration file do you add things too to get them to startup when X11 starts up? |
| 21:16.37 | valdyn | SeanTater: like 'debsums -e' |
| 21:16.37 | hiitsme | whats going on? i got 9 seconds lag |
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| 21:16.39 | markybob | hiitsme: your isp sucks |
| 21:16.39 | ubinsp | good night |
| 21:16.39 | tenco | are there any x-session-managers which are more quiet than xsm? (no windows, autosave on exit) |
| 21:16.39 | valdyn | shaunw: how do you start X? |
| 21:16.39 | ChaosR | I found the problem, it was a broken harddisk cable |
| 21:16.40 | hiitsme | no markybob |
| 21:16.40 | shaunw | valdyn: it starts up on boot |
| 21:16.40 | tenco | i tried xfce4-session, but that one is tied to xfce |
| 21:16.40 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 21:16.40 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 21:16.40 | markybob | hiitsme: i've got 0.1s lag |
| 21:16.40 | dashs | Can iceweasel be removed and mozilla firefox installed instead? |
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| 21:16.41 | JoshH | dashs: getfirefox.com |
| 21:16.41 | markybob | dashs: yes. you'll have to install firefox yourself, though |
| 21:16.41 | hiitsme | you are not in germany markybob |
| 21:16.41 | hiitsme | ;) |
| 21:16.41 | ChaosR | now I have another interesting problem, when I run growisofs for the second time in a session, my computer will simply freeze |
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| 21:16.41 | hiitsme | now i got 0.3 secs |
| 21:16.41 | shaunw | valdyn: im using gdm, does that matter? |
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| 21:16.42 | SeanTater | valdyn: That is exactly want I was looking for (debsums), thanks! |
| 21:16.42 | dashs | markybob: I'm about to abandon the steaming debian lump, anyway. |
| 21:16.42 | markybob | dashs: enjoy |
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| 21:16.43 | dashs | markybob: having a great time, uggggh |
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| 21:16.43 | Ronin | have fun dashs |
| 21:16.44 | tenco | valdyn: sorry, not really helpful |
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| 21:16.45 | karsten | dashs: Sounds like you're having font/locale issues for the most part. |
| 21:16.45 | stew | dashs: what is the problem you are having with iceweasel? |
| 21:16.46 | stew | dashs: it should behave pretty much identically to the upstream version |
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| 21:16.51 | alleyoopster | valdyn: spelling this out I would have to use install module_name to remove agpgpart (it is already in /etc/modprobe.conf/blacklist |
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| 21:17.30 | dashs | karsten: that, too |
| 21:17.58 | nk | hi all, i'm looking for a stupid and simple way to customize a debian cdrom, is there any package/distribution to do this? |
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| 21:18.02 | karsten | dashs: What's your prior linux experience? |
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| 21:18.56 | dashs | stew: really a java issue, I think. There's a web site that runs remote camera viewer that need to have work. |
| 21:18.58 | phretor | xand: any idea about my freebsd-partition problem? |
| 21:19.08 | stew | dashs: how did you install java? |
| 21:19.13 | markybob | nk read the doc on altering cd |
| 21:19.16 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i just installed debian on a virtual machine, but without gnome.. now i installed gnome.. so before i can start it i think i have to do 'startx', but than it says: X: Cannot start /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. anyone help plz? |
| 21:19.34 | karsten | !tell fuzzy_logic about install x |
| 21:19.41 | markybob | nk http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 21:19.49 | dashs | Tried apt-get, then gave up and downloaded the sun .bin package |
| 21:20.01 | karsten | fuzzy_logic: X11 is client/server based. You can install clients (GNOME) w/o having a server installed. |
| 21:20.04 | stew | dashs: what apt-get command did you try? |
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| 21:20.29 | fuzzy_logic | karsten: how can i do that? |
| 21:20.31 | tenco | !dpkg |
| 21:20.31 | dpkg | dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files). |
| 21:20.40 | dashs | stew: apt-get install java-common -- could find only compiler, not jre |
| 21:20.47 | tenco | !x-session-manager |
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| 21:20.54 | Mazingaro | tenco: hi |
| 21:20.55 | karsten | fuzzy_logic: I told you. |
| 21:21.00 | karsten | fuzzy_logic: /msg dpkg install x |
| 21:21.01 | stew | dashs: apt-get install sun-java5-jre ; its in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:21.02 | tenco | Mazingaro: hey :) |
| 21:21.26 | valdyn | shaunw: yea, you need to pick the default session in gdm. that default session will run whatever is your systems default OR ~/.xsession if it exists |
| 21:21.35 | fuzzy_logic | oh yes i got the personal message, didn't see it in the first place.. sorry :) |
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| 21:22.44 | valdyn | alleyoopster: yes you would |
| 21:23.07 | GoClick | tvynr: you around? |
| 21:23.27 | karsten | GoClick: I hear he's square these days. |
| 21:23.32 | karsten | !seen tvynr |
| 21:23.33 | dpkg | tvynr is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 1h 1m 16s, last said: 'GoClick: copy that line I said I put in my /etc/fstab and change your UUID to whatever UUID comes up when you run: /sbin/blkid /dev/md0'. |
| 21:23.36 | anirban | I I tried to do aptitude dist-upgrade and got error in the time of instaalation of the deb packages |
| 21:23.53 | karsten | anirban: Pastebin the command and error message |
| 21:23.54 | stew | anirban: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:23.54 | tvynr | GoClick: I responded in pm. |
| 21:23.56 | karsten | !tell anirban about paste |
| 21:24.21 | dashs | stew: need I remove java-common? |
| 21:24.25 | tenco | !tell tenco about x-session-manager |
| 21:24.33 | stew | dashs: no |
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| 21:24.38 | tenco | !tell tenco about session-manager |
| 21:24.50 | stew | dashs: though if you installed from the sun .bin, i'd recommend removing that |
| 21:24.51 | tenco | !tell tenco about xsession-manager |
| 21:24.58 | tenco | !tell tenco about everything |
| 21:25.05 | anirban | yeah I am doing that |
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| 21:25.09 | anirban | 1 sec |
| 21:25.22 | tenco | !tell tenco about knowledge |
| 21:25.31 | tenco | !tell tenco about you |
| 21:25.40 | alleyoopster | valdyn: looking at the man there is not an uninstall option for modules, if this is the way forward I'll do some reading on it sure, but I thought there would be an easier option to stop a module loading |
| 21:25.43 | stew | tenco: stop. what are yoy trying to do? |
| 21:25.45 | tenco | !tell tenco about what you know |
| 21:25.48 | doschdn | hi.. is it possible to use the vnc feature of xen with the debian package or isn't it compiled in? |
| 21:25.59 | stew | tenco: if you want to play with the bot, please /msg the bot or go to #debian-bots |
| 21:26.00 | karsten | alleyoopster: 'rmmod'. See also blacklisting. |
| 21:26.02 | valdyn | alleyoopster: what dpkg sais is easy |
| 21:26.07 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 21:26.07 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 21:26.26 | anirban | here is the paste link http://rafb.net/p/H3nmsi23.html |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | karsten: modprobe -r |
| 21:26.39 | alleyoopster | karsten : rmmod wont play as it is already loaded and in use, force and wait options also wont work on it |
| 21:26.40 | valdyn | alleyoopster: at least i dont see where: adding a "install agpgart /bin/true" is hard |
| 21:26.50 | anirban | I got an error with aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 21:26.55 | karsten | abrotman: Probe your own mods. |
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| 21:27.09 | anirban | I am running Etch |
| 21:27.10 | tenco | stew: trying to find a x-session-manager which doesnt display windows like xsm and has no dependencies i dont want (like gnome-session, xfce4-session or ksmserver) |
| 21:27.11 | nk | thanks |
| 21:27.17 | karsten | alleyoopster: You can rmmod frequently by rmmodding other dependent modules first. Or what abrotman said. |
| 21:27.18 | stew | anirban: no, you are running unstable |
| 21:27.33 | stew | anirban: or at least, you are trying to upgrade to unstable |
| 21:28.05 | karsten | I need to patch and build a source package. What do I do? I just apt-src installed it (the sources). |
| 21:28.16 | anirban | okay |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | !source |
| 21:28.18 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 21:28.27 | anirban | I installed my system using a etch DVD |
| 21:28.46 | karsten | abrotman: How about applying the relevant patch? |
| 21:28.55 | abrotman | like any other patch ? |
| 21:28.59 | stew | karsten: try patch -P0 --dry-run < patch ; before building, if that fails, try -P1 instead, if it succeeds, do it without the --dry-run |
| 21:29.07 | karsten | stew: Thanks. |
| 21:29.18 | karsten | abrotman: If I patched much I wouldn't be asking ;-) |
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| 21:29.26 | karsten | stew: Do I need to untar orig first? |
| 21:29.28 | abrotman | karsten: man patch ? |
| 21:29.29 | alleyoopster | valdyn: yeah I was being dumb, i'll try adding it |
| 21:29.35 | anirban | ohh but I have added sid repos |
| 21:29.45 | karsten | abrotman: It manages to confuse me. |
| 21:29.45 | Ronin | anirban: oh thats not good |
| 21:29.50 | stew | anirban: please pastebin "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 gtk-qt-engine" |
| 21:29.58 | anirban | okay |
| 21:30.06 | alleyoopster | karsten: problem with dependancies is I want to keep nvidia and that is the dependancy |
| 21:30.08 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get a Microsoft LifeCam VX-3000 working under Linux? |
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| 21:30.12 | abrotman | karsten: you're not the only one :) |
| 21:30.32 | karsten | abrotman: And here I thought I was all alone in the world. |
| 21:30.34 | stew | karsten: "apt-get source" would have done that. dpkg-source -x foo_$version.dsc" will untar it and apply the patch if you retrieved it some other way |
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| 21:30.37 | karsten | abrotman: Me and my Self. |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | karsten: heh |
| 21:30.45 | karsten | stew: Right, I just realized that it did. |
| 21:30.56 | karsten | stew: FYI: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418098 |
| 21:31.00 | stew | karsten: by "the patch" i mean "the debian diff.gz" |
| 21:31.00 | karsten | stew: ... is what I'm fixing. |
| 21:31.09 | valdyn | alleyoopster: now the problem will probably be that nvidia cant just run w/o agpgart, i have no idea if it supports plain pci cards still. Secondly your issue might just not be the fault of agpgart |
| 21:31.11 | karsten | stew: No, additional patch. |
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| 21:31.24 | anirban | here is the paste bin link http://rafb.net/p/M5rgs060.html |
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| 21:31.56 | stew | karsten: yeah, i just mean that "dpkg-source -x will untar the .orig.tar.gz and apply the debian patch in .diff.gz" nothing to do with the patch from the bts. sorry that was confusing |
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| 21:32.20 | lotus-blade | how do you format a usb pendrive? |
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| 21:32.34 | valdyn | lotus-blade: like any other block device |
| 21:32.50 | stew | anirban: yeah, see " 500 http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Packages" you are upgrading to sid aka unstable since it is in sources.list |
| 21:32.53 | karsten | stew: Gotchya. It's Magick! |
| 21:32.56 | alleyoopster | valdyn: yeah, it could be something else, but I read that blocking agpgpart was a good place to start |
| 21:32.58 | karsten | Hrm. Hunk failed. |
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| 21:33.01 | ole | how do I make arp table static? |
| 21:33.18 | karsten | ole: Rub it briskly with nylon. |
| 21:33.22 | lotus-blade | I don't know what the dev is though, all I know is in media it is listed as usb0 |
| 21:33.27 | stew | anirban: and at the end you see that gtk-qt-engine is already at the sid version |
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| 21:33.33 | ole | karsten, ha ha |
| 21:33.35 | lotus-blade | would it be sda? |
| 21:33.35 | kinto | hi all |
| 21:33.47 | alleyoopster | valdyn: well it certainly stopped X working :) |
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| 21:34.12 | anirban | yeah I added it to install grub2 |
| 21:34.13 | valdyn | alleyoopster: meaning that nvidia doesnt work w/o agpgart.. |
| 21:34.16 | rushfan | Who was having issue with agpart? It causes issue with nvidia cards. |
| 21:34.35 | rushfan | You need to deactivate and recompile your kernel |
| 21:34.37 | alleyoopster | rushfan: me |
| 21:34.39 | anirban | So I am just removing gtk-qt-engine |
| 21:34.45 | valdyn | rushfan: no |
| 21:34.49 | lotus-blade | what are usb devices listed as in the /dev list? |
| 21:34.50 | stew | karsten: that's a one line patch. you could just open xwin.c and make the one change by hand if `patch` doesn'twork |
| 21:34.55 | dashs | stew: ok -- install fireweasel plugin via softlink per usual? |
| 21:34.56 | valdyn | alleyoopster: you can try nvidias internal agpgart |
| 21:35.03 | stew | dashs: no, the package does that for you |
| 21:35.09 | rushfan | valdyn: No? Why no? |
| 21:35.15 | stew | dashs: go to "about:plugins" in iceweasel and it should be there alredy |
| 21:35.19 | alleyoopster | valdyn: i thought it could use NvAGP instead, am i wrong on this? |
| 21:35.27 | valdyn | rushfan: he doesnt need to recompile his kernel to deactivate agpgart |
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| 21:35.36 | rushfan | valdyn: Well its easier that way anyhow. |
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| 21:35.40 | rushfan | How else do you suggest he does it? |
| 21:35.45 | fester64 | oh shit look i aint baned anymore |
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| 21:35.56 | fester64 | so guys |
| 21:36.00 | fester64 | i need some help |
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| 21:36.02 | valdyn | alleyoopster: see the documentation on how nvidia selects which agp driver to use |
| 21:36.09 | fester64 | how do i recompie a kernel in ubuntu |
| 21:36.09 | dashs | stew: java not seen by icefox |
| 21:36.10 | stew | !tell cosmicfoo about root |
| 21:36.12 | rushfan | Why does he need agpart? |
| 21:36.14 | Ronin | fester64: #ubuntu |
| 21:36.15 | valdyn | rushfan: he already did, blacklisted the module properly |
| 21:36.19 | karsten | stew: That too. |
| 21:36.35 | alleyoopster | valdyn: yes got it and set to use NvAGP but no cigar, x wont start |
| 21:36.36 | rushfan | valdyn: I say just reconfigure the kernel and reinstall the modules |
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| 21:36.45 | Ronin | but i suspect you know that all ready |
| 21:36.49 | Gambaroni | #footer #right { |
| 21:36.49 | Gambaroni | float: right; |
| 21:36.49 | Gambaroni | margin-right: 6px; |
| 21:36.49 | Gambaroni | color: #FFFFFF; |
| 21:36.50 | Gambaroni | } |
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| 21:36.51 | fester64 | Ronin, well can you help me recompile a kernel in etch |
| 21:36.52 | fester64 | please |
| 21:36.58 | adaro | hmm is there an oracle xe for etch ? |
| 21:37.01 | valdyn | alleyoopster: see dmesg |
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| 21:37.10 | fester64 | im a total fucking n00b |
| 21:37.29 | stew | dashs: what does "readlink -f /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so" return ? |
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| 21:37.39 | streuner | !n00b |
| 21:37.39 | dpkg | hmm... n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 21:37.43 | Ronin | fester64: ya cause etch is so close to ubuntu on the keyboard, and if you are a total newbie you have no business compiling a kernel |
| 21:37.53 | adaro | !java |
| 21:37.53 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 21:37.56 | rushfan | fester64: cd /usr/src/linux; make menuconfig |
| 21:38.02 | valdyn | alleyoopster: "lsmod | grep agp", maybe you need to blacklist the low level driver too.. |
| 21:38.11 | fester64 | rushfan, there is no /usr/src |
| 21:38.18 | fester64 | omg im so confused |
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| 21:38.29 | cosmicfoo | hi, i'm quite new to debian, how do you switch compilers? i have two installed and i want to use the other one. thanks |
| 21:38.34 | dashs | stew: /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so |
| 21:38.35 | alleyoopster | vldyn: X log complaining about GLX driver, dmesg complaining about agp |
| 21:38.35 | fester64 | but anyways |
| 21:38.39 | fester64 | Linux gentoo64-2 2.6.20.4-ck1 #1 Sun Apr 1 09:48:58 MDT 2007 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 21:38.39 | rushfan | fester64: w/e then cant help you. I never compiled a kernel on ubuntu |
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| 21:38.53 | Ronin | fester64: go troll elsewhere |
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| 21:39.00 | streuner | cosmicfoo: gcc is a symlink |
| 21:39.02 | fester64 | free server |
| 21:39.04 | fester64 | am i not right |
| 21:39.05 | alleyoopster | valdyn: lsmod shows no nvidia and no agp |
| 21:39.13 | streuner | !tell fester64 about enter |
| 21:39.13 | fester64 | im sorry guys |
| 21:39.13 | Ronin | no your not |
| 21:39.14 | stew | fester64: do you have a debian related question? |
| 21:39.18 | fester64 | just playing around |
| 21:39.21 | abrotman | you're |
| 21:39.24 | stew | fester64: please keep it on topic |
| 21:39.33 | alleyoopster | valdyn: guess I need agpgpart |
| 21:39.39 | cosmicfoo | streuner: so just changing that symlink is enough. ok thanks |
| 21:39.46 | anirban | so stew what should I do now |
| 21:39.50 | streuner | cosmicfoo: yes |
| 21:39.55 | anirban | I am removing gtk-qt-theme |
| 21:40.10 | valdyn | alleyoopster: if you set nvagp correctly, then nvidia does not support your agp hardware. |
| 21:40.10 | anirban | and down grading libc6 |
| 21:40.16 | fester64 | oh i dont need yalls help anyways i can configure a kernel with my eyes closed peace out |
| 21:40.16 | stew | anirban: remove sid from your sources.list if you don't want to be running sid |
| 21:40.23 | fester64 | have fun with apt-shit |
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| 21:40.29 | row | how can I get VIA PCI bus support in etch installer |
| 21:40.30 | anirban | and also removing the sid entry from source.list |
| 21:40.31 | row | ? |
| 21:40.39 | anirban | okay |
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| 21:40.45 | stew | anirban: you don't have to downgrade libc6 if you are still on 2.3.6 |
| 21:40.50 | row | Installer does not see my PCI bus |
| 21:40.54 | valdyn | row: hmm? pci needs no special drivers |
| 21:41.00 | stew | (not that downgrading libc6 is necessarily wise, or possible) |
| 21:41.05 | valdyn | row: how do you figure that? |
| 21:41.09 | row | valdyn: nope works in debian unstable fine |
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| 21:41.13 | row | lspci shows noething |
| 21:41.22 | row | via_ircc is not present for one |
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| 21:41.30 | alleyoopster | valdyn: with no modules blacklisted and nvagp or agpgpart set in xorg.conf the log file confirms the request and says agp is at 4x |
| 21:41.34 | valdyn | row: unstable still has the same kernel? |
| 21:41.38 | row | yes |
| 21:41.40 | row | exactly same |
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| 21:41.43 | row | .18-4 |
| 21:41.47 | anirban | okay |
| 21:41.52 | row | I have been running this mobo for years in debian |
| 21:42.01 | row | all of a sudden installer does not see pci bus :/ |
| 21:42.08 | karsten | OK, running apt-src build after patching. Didn't change debian.rules at all. |
| 21:42.10 | row | no irda in installer drivers either |
| 21:42.18 | stew | dashs: try "update-alternatives --config java" and "update-alternatives --config mozilla-javaplugin.so" and select the sun java5 version |
| 21:42.27 | row | valdyn: am I able to easily build a installer myself with the via drivers? |
| 21:43.35 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i have a little problem.. i installed gnome on debian wich is running as a guest os on vmware.. the prob is that my hosts screen resolution is 1280x800 and i want debian to have the same resolution.. how can i manage to do that? |
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| 21:44.28 | karsten | fuzzy_logic: What rez are you getting/ |
| 21:44.37 | row | valdyn? |
| 21:44.58 | fuzzy_logic | karsten: 1024x768 |
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| 21:45.59 | streuner | hm |
| 21:46.21 | dashs | stew: No alternatives for mozilla-javaplugin.so. |
| 21:46.32 | karsten | fuzzy_logic: Running VMWare interactivel? I think you want to install VMWare tools, then configure your guest's display to 1280x800. |
| 21:46.38 | karsten | fuzzy_logic: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:46.53 | karsten | stew: Now just 'dpkg -i <packagename>'? |
| 21:47.05 | fuzzy_logic | !drxx |
| 21:47.05 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:47.25 | karsten | !tell fuzzy_logic about self-tell |
| 21:47.43 | fuzzy_logic | oops lol sorry karsten.. i know about that but forgot it :) |
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| 21:48.01 | karsten | stew: Apparently, yes ;-) |
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| 21:48.38 | fuzzy_logic | but ehh.. karsten.. i've tried to install vmware tools.. though it didn't work.. cause i say install vmware-tools but i don't get any installation screen, in windows it works |
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| 21:49.06 | h3sp4wn | fuzzy_logic: You have to mount the virtual cd and install from the tarball that is in there |
| 21:49.31 | Ricalawaba | oups |
| 21:49.35 | defcon8 | wtf is up with iceweasel google search? |
| 21:49.39 | fuzzy_logic | oh! wait! now it works.. last time it didn't |
| 21:49.42 | defcon8 | and why does it happen so often? |
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| 21:50.10 | karsten | defcon8: ?? |
| 21:50.22 | streuner | defcon8: give us more infos other than "Something is fucked up" |
| 21:50.40 | defcon8 | when I press enter the search does not go through |
| 21:50.43 | defcon8 | nothing happens |
| 21:51.15 | Guerin | defcon8: worksforme |
| 21:51.58 | fuzzy_logic | another question (sorry peeps, im full of questions tonight).. how can i configure that the x server doesn't start by default? cause you don't really need all that graphical crap when you have a server |
| 21:52.01 | h3sp4wn | defcon8: fine for me also (other than it should use google.co.uk as I am using the gb locale - the official one does this) |
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| 21:52.19 | defcon8 | oh well |
| 21:52.23 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: don't install a display manager |
| 21:52.31 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: why do you even have X on your server? |
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| 21:52.40 | Guerin | just insuninstall what you don't need |
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| 21:53.15 | alleyoopster | valdyn: just for reference:- after blacklisting nvagp, nvidia module refused to load (also manually) with unknown symbol error agp... |
| 21:53.54 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: try uninstalling kdm, gdm or xdm |
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| 21:54.14 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin & wols_: i grew up with windows.. so i always feel comfortable when there's a graphic interface in the neibourhood.. :) |
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| 21:54.36 | fuzzy_logic | now i think there has to be a way to not let startx start by itself |
| 21:54.46 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: we just fucking told you |
| 21:54.53 | Guerin | uninstall the bits you don't need |
| 21:55.02 | Guerin | in this case that would be ?dm |
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| 21:55.23 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin: i want to keep x server.. i don't really understand what you are saying :) |
| 21:55.29 | car_watt | hi |
| 21:55.32 | Fox_1_ | people which one is better xorg or xfree86? |
| 21:55.40 | car_watt | i want to install a cluster with debian |
| 21:55.50 | fuzzy_logic | Fox_1_: i would say now days xorg |
| 21:55.51 | car_watt | someone has a link or one how to for that |
| 21:56.06 | alleyoopster | valdyn: correction not nvagp, but blacklisting agpgpart. help was much apprieciated, I'll follow up tomorrow. It's late here. thanks all, goodnight |
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| 21:56.11 | Fox_1_ | fuzzy_logic: why? |
| 21:56.16 | Fox_1_ | in to words |
| 21:56.16 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: ?dm IS NOT the x server. It's the thing which starts at boot. |
| 21:56.19 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: i already told you. depending on your setup, either xdm, kdm or gdm is responsible for auto starting X. so just uninstall the installed dm. apt-get remove [x,k,g]dm |
| 21:56.24 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: because |
| 21:56.28 | Guerin | Fox_1_: because |
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| 21:56.58 | Guerin | car_watt: fgi |
| 21:56.59 | fuzzy_logic | wintix: oh.. i didn't get it that way.. sorry :) |
| 21:57.07 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: np. |
| 21:57.12 | Fox_1_ | but i have a lots of problems with xorg and fglrx driver(ati x1300) |
| 21:57.21 | {Nathan} | I don't have any pcmcia support on my laptop. It's bus is a cirrus pd6729. When I modprobe that, it still doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 21:57.22 | car_watt | Guering fgi what means |
| 21:57.26 | Guerin | Fox_1_: so why did you ask? |
| 21:57.29 | Guerin | !fgi |
| 21:57.29 | dpkg | somebody said fgi was http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 21:58.10 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: i know all results of the f..ing google |
| 21:58.14 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:58.14 | dpkg | i guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 21:58.22 | abrotman | all the results ? |
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| 21:58.26 | dashs | stew: gave it the old han (manual) job -- works now thanks muchly |
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| 21:59.00 | Guerin | Fox_1_: then you have no need for hashdweebian |
| 21:59.00 | car_watt | Guering tks |
| 21:59.11 | Guerin | since all we are is a google -> moron bridge |
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| 21:59.32 | Fox_1_ | yes, in this 5 day i have read about all that result nothing. |
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| 22:00.11 | streuner | and you needed 5 days to find us? |
| 22:00.14 | fuzzy_logic | wintix: synaptic tells me that gdm is GNOME desktop manager, won't uninstalling it cause trouble with gnome? |
| 22:00.34 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: no |
| 22:00.39 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 22:00.48 | fuzzy_logic | ok tnx wols_ |
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| 22:01.03 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: no |
| 22:01.12 | Guerin | christsakes |
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| 22:01.15 | bykte | hi, how do i create a random file with a specific size? |
| 22:01.24 | Guerin | if you want to run gnome on a server, use ubuntu ffs |
| 22:01.26 | abrotman | bykte: dd and /dev/random .. man dd |
| 22:01.29 | streuner | Fox_1_: did you read what the bot told you? |
| 22:01.43 | bykte | abrotman, ty |
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| 22:01.46 | Guerin | bykte: probably want /dev/urandom if it's not a small file |
| 22:01.58 | wintix | bykte: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file bs=1M count=X where X is some number. |
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| 22:02.41 | Fox_1_ | streuner: dpkg? |
| 22:02.46 | streuner | yep |
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| 22:03.04 | prepro | anybody know how you can disable syslog from doing message summarizations and saying: 'last message repeated NN times' |
| 22:03.10 | prepro | anybody know how you can disable syslog from doing message summarizations and saying: 'last message repeated NN times' |
| 22:03.16 | fuzzy_logic | wintix & wols_: i don't think removing gdm will work.. The chosen action also affects other packages. The following changes are required in order to proceed. also gnome is in the list and i can't choose not to remove them.. help?! |
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| 22:03.51 | bykte | thanks..it worked...cool feature to use.. |
| 22:04.25 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: gnome is a metapackage. removing gdm won't do any harm |
| 22:05.28 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: a metapackage contains (in this case) a number of packages. if you remove one of them you will also remove the metapackage without removing the other contained packages from the metapackage. |
| 22:05.41 | streuner | prepro: /msg dpkg syslog mark |
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| 22:05.54 | Guerin | actually |
| 22:06.00 | Guerin | gnome is fucking stupid lkike that |
| 22:06.07 | wintix | well. yes. ;) |
| 22:06.28 | Guerin | if you uninstall one bit of the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage, it tries to uninstall the rest as `unused' |
| 22:06.30 | streuner | !factinfo syslog makr |
| 22:06.30 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as syslog makr |
| 22:06.36 | streuner | !factinfo syslog mark |
| 22:06.36 | dpkg | syslog mark -- created by greycat <gjw@firewall.icixcorp.com> at Mon Sep 18 17:44:05 2000 (2398 days); it has been requested 37 times, last by markybob, 7s ago. |
| 22:06.46 | Guerin | i discovered this while trying to get rid og fucking evilution on my mum's computer |
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| 22:07.02 | fuzzy_logic | wintix: so if i remove fast-user-swich-applet, gdm-themes, gnome and gnome-desktop-manager i will just be able to use gnome? that sounds weird lol |
| 22:07.06 | abrotman | Guerin: that's aptitude |
| 22:07.17 | prepro | streuner: what is that? |
| 22:07.23 | Guerin | abrotman: the default and standard package manager, yes. |
| 22:07.24 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: no. if you remove gdm you will be able to work with gnome. |
| 22:07.31 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: apt-get remove gdm |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | Guerin: right ..but that's why |
| 22:07.41 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: that shouldn't remove the rest of gnome |
| 22:07.58 | SexxyTripleBypas | yo abrotman |
| 22:08.07 | SexxyTripleBypas | so I noticed you're not really on OFTC's #debian |
| 22:08.19 | SexxyTripleBypas | it seems to be the same size as here tough |
| 22:08.21 | SexxyTripleBypas | *though |
| 22:08.22 | abrotman | SexxyTripleBypas: change your nick back |
| 22:08.25 | streuner | dpkg, syslog mark is also if you running etch or newer just edit /etc/default/syslogd |
| 22:08.25 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 22:08.36 | abrotman | SexxyTripleBypas: same size? are you blind ? |
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| 22:09.10 | SexxyTripleBypas | :P |
| 22:09.11 | SexxyTripleBypas | fine fine |
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| 22:09.26 | SexxyTripleBypas | abrotman: actually it's only about 2.5x as OFTC's size. |
| 22:09.37 | fuzzy_logic | wintix: no.. it says it HAS to remove the 4 packages (including gnome) listed above in order to remove gdm |
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| 22:09.40 | SexxyTripleBypas | maybe no one cares about OFTC, they're too fixated on Freenode :) |
| 22:09.41 | Niriven | I dont want to start an fs war, i realize they all have their advantages/disadvantages, but, coming from jfs (i was disapointed in the slow small file read), i am looking at ext3, and xfs. Can anyone suggest or help me understand which to choose for a laptop, home pc? |
| 22:09.47 | abrotman | SexxyTripleBypas: sometimes i do stuff over there .. depends |
| 22:09.51 | SexxyTripleBypas | ah |
| 22:09.57 | SexxyTripleBypas | abrotman: btw how was your pesach |
| 22:10.04 | SexxyTripleBypas | chag sameach and all that |
| 22:10.13 | Guerin | Niriven: if you can guarantee it will never lose power, xfs might be ok. |
| 22:10.26 | Guerin | Niriven: it's very fast but loses data on power loss |
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| 22:10.33 | abrotman | SexxyTripleBypas: fine .. went up north .. i love gefilte fish and chopped liver :) |
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| 22:10.40 | SexxyTripleBypas | =) |
| 22:10.45 | wintix | fuzzy_logic: i have no idea why it's going to remove the whole gnome thing. maybe someone else knows. afaik it shouldn't try to do that. |
| 22:10.47 | Guerin | Niriven: if in doubt, use ext3 (with noatime on a laptop) |
| 22:11.03 | Guerin | wintix: no, that's functioning as designed |
| 22:11.04 | SexxyTripleBypas | abrotman: cool |
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| 22:11.18 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin: what should i do then? |
| 22:11.25 | Niriven | Guerin: What about tools, does xfs have plenty of tools like ext3 does? (for administration, tweaking, etc) |
| 22:11.26 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 22:11.36 | Guerin | Niriven: it has some ... not as many. |
| 22:11.38 | wintix | Guerin: why shouldn't you be able to just uninstall gdm and use the rest of gnome? |
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| 22:11.42 | SexxyTripleBypas | abrotman: mine went uneventfully ;) just kept away from bread and...within a week I noticed that I wasn't eating sweets (which is good, since I've been trying to stop with them for months) |
| 22:11.45 | Guerin | Niriven: i haven't used it extensively. |
| 22:11.54 | abrotman | SexxyTripleBypas: heh |
| 22:11.55 | Niriven | Guerin: And what about severity of loss? If i lose power, is my whole machine screwed, or do i lose a file or two? |
| 22:12.04 | Niriven | Guerin: Ah. |
| 22:12.07 | Guerin | Niriven: you'll lose open files, most likely |
| 22:12.27 | wintix | Niriven: xfs is a bad choice if you have to deal with power losses. |
| 22:12.29 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin: i did that.. it reconfigured.. now what? |
| 22:12.35 | israel | hello |
| 22:12.39 | israel | my name is isreal |
| 22:12.43 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: didn't give you a choice of not starting |
| 22:12.43 | israel | i come from isreal |
| 22:12.43 | Guerin | ? |
| 22:12.48 | israel | and i was born in isreal |
| 22:12.48 | Niriven | Guerin: Ill probably got with ext3, id rather be safe. Though, if ext3 is a noticeable lag in performance, hmm |
| 22:12.51 | Guerin | israel: are you going to troll? |
| 22:12.53 | israel | now i use debian |
| 22:12.55 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin: no |
| 22:13.33 | israel | and i got a question |
| 22:13.34 | Guerin | fuck, gnome is broken |
| 22:13.34 | xand | israel: HOW NICE |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | israel: you're in germany |
| 22:13.35 | israel | how can i remove gnome and use kde instead? |
| 22:13.35 | israel | that is a proxy abrotman |
| 22:13.36 | Guerin | israel: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 22:13.37 | minus | Damn.. Is there a way do degrade my system back to debian etch instead of debian lenny? |
| 22:13.38 | israel | nothing happens Guerin |
| 22:13.44 | Guerin | minus: no |
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| 22:13.50 | minus | Guerin, x| |
| 22:13.51 | minus | crap |
| 22:13.54 | Guerin | israel: then your client is broken |
| 22:14.02 | israel | >dpkg< remove gnome |
| 22:14.09 | israel | really, nothing happens |
| 22:14.11 | israel | believe me |
| 22:14.14 | israel | try it yourself |
| 22:14.14 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 22:14.14 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 22:14.15 | xand | dpkg is broken, Guerin |
| 22:14.18 | xand | well, it was ;P |
| 22:14.20 | Guerin | no, dpkg is not |
| 22:14.27 | don_jr__ | could anyone here tell me the command to use to burn an iso with cdrecord? |
| 22:14.28 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin: any ideas? |
| 22:14.35 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: /msg dpkg any ideas |
| 22:14.46 | israel | ok, what to do after remove? |
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| 22:14.48 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: i don't know an easy way to fix this, but: |
| 22:14.49 | israel | how to install kde? |
| 22:14.50 | streuner | don_jr__: man wodim |
| 22:15.11 | israel | hi streuner |
| 22:15.13 | israel | :) |
| 22:15.20 | don_jr__ | streuner I did, and I may be a dope, but I didn't understand which command to use still...and I"m on terminal only so I can't scroll back up |
| 22:15.30 | minus | Whats the KDE version of the graphical loginstuff? |
| 22:15.41 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: when aptitude gives you the list of packages which will be removed, copy them onto a shell line so you get aptitude install list of packages |
| 22:15.54 | abrotman_ | minus: kdm |
| 22:15.55 | Guerin | for some reason unmarkauto is fucking broken as well |
| 22:16.00 | karsten | don_jr__: You want to get the right device first. Then: cdrecord dev=<device>, driveropts=burnfree -eject <imagefile> |
| 22:16.03 | minus | abrotman_, thx |
| 22:16.03 | bykte | anyone knows how to get the progress bar displayed? curl -F file=@100mb.bin --progress-bar http://localhost:8080/upload <-- doesnt show upload progress |
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| 22:16.08 | fuzzy_logic | Guerin: i don't get it |
| 22:16.27 | Guerin | fuzzy_logic: you're using synaptic, i can't help you with that |
| 22:16.34 | Guerin | use aptitude from the command line and we'll talk |
| 22:16.53 | wintix | israel: apt-get install kde or kdebase depending on what you need. kde is pretty much. kdebase is just the base kde stuff you need to run it. |
| 22:16.57 | don_jr__ | karsten how can I find the reight device? |
| 22:16.59 | israel | ok |
| 22:17.02 | israel | thanx win-X-perts |
| 22:17.04 | telexicon | How do I disable root logins with xdm? |
| 22:17.04 | israel | sorry |
| 22:17.06 | israel | i ment wintix |
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| 22:17.08 | karsten | don_jr__: RTFM / RTFF. |
| 22:17.21 | Guerin | telexicon: what's the point? |
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| 22:17.31 | don_jr__ | karsten neither of those command work |
| 22:17.36 | nihraguk | lol |
| 22:17.39 | telexicon | I dont want my boss logging into X as root... |
| 22:17.48 | Guerin | telexicon: don't tell him the root password |
| 22:17.56 | helo | haha good idea :P |
| 22:18.02 | Guerin | seriously |
| 22:18.05 | karsten | !RTFM |
| 22:18.06 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 22:18.07 | karsten | !RTFF |
| 22:18.07 | dpkg | Read The Fucking Factoid |
| 22:18.09 | Guerin | it's not something non-technical staff should have |
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| 22:18.16 | helo | until mr boss says "gimme the root password" |
| 22:18.19 | telexicon | he is technical staff... |
| 22:18.25 | minus | why cant you have 2 or more apt's running? |
| 22:18.26 | karsten | dpkg: RTFF is also Read The Fine FAQ |
| 22:18.26 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 22:18.32 | telexicon | i just dont want him to get offended |
| 22:18.34 | Guerin | then why the fuck is he trying to run X as root? |
| 22:18.35 | telexicon | this way I can say.. oh it doesn't allow it.. not my choice |
| 22:18.44 | Guerin | ah, so this is feelings management |
| 22:18.46 | karsten | minus: Why can't I have two grilfs running? |
| 22:18.59 | karsten | minus: Package archive consistency. It's a single-instance global lock. |
| 22:19.01 | minus | karsten, wtf is grilfs? |
| 22:19.04 | telexicon | Guerin: .. they are windows admins... |
| 22:19.20 | karsten | minus: You can run aptitude in query/display mode, but if you're managing packages, only one. |
| 22:19.23 | karsten | !grilf |
| 22:19.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, grilf is see gf |
| 22:19.33 | telexicon | Isn't there just a way to tell xdm to not allow it? |
| 22:19.40 | Guerin | telexicon: echo exit >> /root/.xsession # might work |
| 22:19.50 | karsten | don_jr__: http://www.freebsddiary.org/cdrecord.php |
| 22:19.59 | karsten | don_jr__: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 22:20.03 | telexicon | hmm ok.. |
| 22:20.09 | minus | damn.. It takes alot of time uninstalling gnome o_O |
| 22:20.12 | Guerin | telexicon: there might be, but xdm is quite minimal |
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| 22:20.40 | streuner | don_jr__: cdrecord -scanbus only works if you using scsi-ide, keep that in mind |
| 22:20.56 | uptownben | Hi All. How can I tell wich glib version I'm using? |
| 22:21.01 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:21.12 | karsten | !tell uptownben about search. |
| 22:21.18 | karsten | uptownben: dpkg -l in general. |
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| 22:22.15 | telexicon | Guerin: well, this is a server.. I didn't want to put X on it but I was forced to |
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| 22:22.27 | h3sp4wn | glib != glibc |
| 22:22.39 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:22.39 | dpkg | methinks qotd129 is <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 22:22.52 | streuner | hrhr |
| 22:22.52 | nihraguk | lol |
| 22:22.54 | telexicon | glib == gnome library.. glibc == gnu C standard library |
| 22:22.54 | minus | WTF o_O |
| 22:22.55 | minus | lol |
| 22:23.08 | dalias | glib is NOT gnome library |
| 22:23.18 | uptownben | I mean glibc |
| 22:23.20 | telexicon | gtk |
| 22:23.24 | dalias | it's gimp library, if anything :) |
| 22:23.25 | tarzeau | telexicon: no |
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| 22:23.37 | minus | brb |
| 22:23.37 | tarzeau | it's just a library of c routines |
| 22:23.54 | tarzeau | nothing to do with gnome nor gtk |
| 22:23.54 | streuner | gtk isn't glib and glib isn't glibc |
| 22:23.54 | telexicon | thats nice |
| 22:24.00 | telexicon | but what was it originally part of? |
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| 22:24.10 | tarzeau | telexicon: glib? |
| 22:24.10 | h3sp4wn | but libc6 == glibc |
| 22:24.12 | azeem | telexicon: does it matter? |
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| 22:24.38 | yungknight | i've asked this on c++ and no one seems to know so i'm guessing it might be OS related. How do I have the std input on a totally different line from the output, like you would in vim? or what would I have to search for to get more information on this? |
| 22:24.41 | telexicon | cat /dev/urandom |
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| 22:25.13 | azeem | yungknight: this is off-topic here, sorry |
| 22:25.14 | streuner | !kill h3sp4wn |
| 22:25.22 | robin_sz | tarzeau, thats an old quote ... Its Debian for Vista I need now ... |
| 22:25.25 | linux3 | anyone here know why when i don't use my computer for about 5 minutes the screen goes black and usually shows an "X" on the screen |
| 22:25.31 | linux3 | how do i stop it from doing that |
| 22:25.32 | Coweater | yungknight: curses or similar i believe |
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| 22:25.45 | tarzeau | robin_sz: tried www.goodbye-microsoft.com yet? |
| 22:25.48 | linux3 | it has been a problem for a while but i have no idea what the stupid X is other than the xserver logo |
| 22:26.05 | tarzeau | linux3: some screensaver? |
| 22:26.27 | yungknight | Coweater: what do you mean curses? |
| 22:26.36 | uptownben | Thanks for the help all. |
| 22:26.46 | fuzzy_logic | anyone else have ideas how to prevent the x server from starting at boot? |
| 22:26.49 | tarzeau | linux3: check with xset q |
| 22:27.03 | tarzeau | linux3: the standby, suspend, off times and if dpms is enabled or not |
| 22:27.15 | tarzeau | fuzzy_logic: /msg dpkg nopm |
| 22:27.15 | Coweater | yungknight: terminal control library, ncurses specifically in the case of vim |
| 22:27.20 | tarzeau | nodm |
| 22:27.24 | linux3 | tarzeau: already checked it |
| 22:27.33 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 22:27.38 | yungknight | Coweater: ok thank you |
| 22:27.40 | streuner | fuzzy_logic: How many times we have to repeat that? |
| 22:27.43 | linux3 | tarzeau: and not to mention when i turn it off it still goes to this stupid screensaver typed thing |
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| 22:27.51 | fuzzy_logic | streuner: what? |
| 22:27.54 | schicktel | Hallo, ich moechte Juden vergasen. |
| 22:27.55 | linux3 | black screen with big or small or no X server "X" on it |
| 22:27.56 | tarzeau | linux3: did you configure a screensaver in gnome? kde? |
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| 22:28.01 | schicktel | Bin ich hier richtig? |
| 22:28.06 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:28.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 22:28.09 | schicktel | Ihr seid doch diese Frickler? |
| 22:28.14 | streuner | fuzzy_logic: somebody told you already, remove ?dm |
| 22:28.23 | phretor | why does my system get freezed if I `restart` it but not if I `halt` it? |
| 22:28.26 | schicktel | Danke abrotman. |
| 22:28.31 | schicktel | Much thanks! |
| 22:28.45 | abrotman | odd someone from MI speaks german so well |
| 22:28.45 | robin_sz | Frickler? |
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| 22:28.53 | tarzeau | robin_sz: hobbyist |
| 22:28.54 | streuner | schicktel: Hau ab! |
| 22:29.08 | fuzzy_logic | streuner: yes.. but then i have to uninstall gnome too.. apt-get forces me.. so that is not possible |
| 22:29.08 | schicktel | Streuner, !de |
| 22:29.09 | tarzeau | streuner: !ops schicktel is a racist ? |
| 22:29.35 | tarzeau | fuzzy_logic: no, you can just remove gdm.. |
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| 22:29.52 | streuner | tarzeau: no, i think its similar like 'Bastler' or such |
| 22:30.03 | fuzzy_logic | tarzeau: you guarantee that i will still be able to use gnome? |
| 22:30.12 | robin_sz | tarzeau, ah, ok, nice sounding word |
| 22:30.15 | tarzeau | fuzzy_logic: i guarantee nothing with gnome dependencies! :) |
| 22:30.19 | Coweater | fuzzy_logic: if anything it's going to remove the metapackage (which just depends on all the gnome software needed) |
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| 22:30.27 | tarzeau | robin_sz: i doubt you'll find it in any grammar book |
| 22:30.31 | fuzzy_logic | allright thanks.. will try |
| 22:30.32 | tarzeau | robin_sz: it's some slang shit |
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| 22:30.54 | schicktel | My name is peter. |
| 22:31.04 | schicktel | I am 16 Years old. |
| 22:31.05 | buggy | peterrus |
| 22:31.09 | schicktel | Whats your name? |
| 22:31.13 | robin_sz | tarzeau, it sounded like a good word for the rubbery bit on a sex aid ;) |
| 22:31.13 | buggy | levy |
| 22:31.16 | buggy | lewis |
| 22:31.18 | buggy | lenny |
| 22:31.22 | buggy | lambert |
| 22:31.23 | Supaplex | BOB |
| 22:31.28 | minus | Hm.. How do i swith user from xfce4 o_O |
| 22:31.40 | schicktel | How old are you? |
| 22:31.45 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.frickler.net/ |
| 22:31.48 | buggy | 31 |
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| 22:31.53 | linux3 | tarzeau: yep |
| 22:31.53 | buggy | teen |
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| 22:31.57 | buggy | lol |
| 22:32.00 | robin_sz | buggy, youngster |
| 22:32.06 | linux3 | tarzeau: and this is not the xscreensaver application. it is something else being run |
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| 22:32.09 | Sweetandy | A big shout-out to all of those who helped me get the internet working on my computer so that I could install Debian Etch!! Thanks, everybody! |
| 22:32.11 | linux3 | and how come no one else knows! |
| 22:32.13 | linux3 | wtf |
| 22:32.16 | tarzeau | linux3: can you find out what it is? |
| 22:32.26 | linux3 | i have more than 5 machines with this same issue |
| 22:32.27 | tarzeau | linux3: you've got etch? something different? |
| 22:32.33 | linux3 | yeah etch |
| 22:32.39 | schicktel | Ab in die Gaskammer, Juden! |
| 22:32.40 | linux3 | you have to install with the standard system only |
| 22:32.46 | schicktel | Ihr muesst geduscht werden! |
| 22:32.47 | linux3 | then apt-get install kde kdm |
| 22:32.50 | tarzeau | !ops schicktel off-topic |
| 22:32.50 | minus | Sweetandy, Why install a Stable OS? Dtable OS's are only nesesary on Servers.. |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: schicktel off-topic |
| 22:32.51 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:32.51 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 22:32.55 | markybob | is there any benefit of using `fusermount -u` over `umount`? they seem to be interchangeable from what i've found. is one safer somehow? |
| 22:33.05 | abrotman | schicktel: go to #debian.de |
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| 22:33.09 | schicktel | how? |
| 22:33.10 | peterS | schicktel: in English, please |
| 22:33.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i doubt they want him there |
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| 22:33.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: he wants to murder jews |
| 22:33.22 | streuner | thanks mentor |
| 22:33.25 | linux3 | and then after you do that let your comp sit there for a while and take a look |
| 22:33.31 | mentor | He was talking in English earlier. |
| 22:33.31 | Sweetandy | minus: What do you suggest I use? |
| 22:33.32 | linux3 | you will see the screen with the X on it |
| 22:33.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok |
| 22:33.36 | linux3 | or just a blank screen |
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| 22:33.38 | minus | Sweetandy, lenny |
| 22:33.39 | dkr | any idea why this command works in shell [ $(date +%d) -le 14 ] && echo lessthan14 but when I make a crontab * * * * * [ $(date +%d) -le 14 ] && echo lessthan14 I get /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `)' |
| 22:33.53 | minus | Sweetandy, Debian Lenny |
| 22:33.58 | tarzeau | dkr: the shell you use is not sh, but bash |
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| 22:34.01 | mentor | dkr: mmm. quotes. |
| 22:34.02 | linux3 | tarzeau: originally i should it was xorg putting the screen to sleep or something but its not. changing those settings does nothing. and with the floating X i doubt it |
| 22:34.13 | xand | markybob: the former works as non-root |
| 22:34.14 | sgeigerbot | dkr: put your command into a file and run the file from crontab |
| 22:34.16 | peterS | dkr: dunno ... I'm guessing you have a typo in the cron line somewhere. |
| 22:34.18 | dkr | tarzeau: well, i actually use tcsh, btu I ran absh to test it |
| 22:34.19 | Harzilein | dkr: maybe try bash -c '[ $(date +%d) -le 14 ] && echo lessthan14 ]' instad |
| 22:34.23 | tarzeau | linux3: can you make a screenshot? |
| 22:34.32 | Coweater | I'm having trouble with sdl apps scrambling the display in etch. It happens at random just when they first launch. Switching to a terminal and back fixes the display. |
| 22:34.36 | tarzeau | linux3: try installing scrot, then sleep 6m; scrot peng..png |
| 22:34.51 | peterS | dkr: oh - if you use tcsh as your shell, cron will use tcsh too |
| 22:34.52 | tarzeau | Coweater: screenshot? which x video driver? |
| 22:35.13 | tarzeau | peterS: *shudder* |
| 22:35.14 | robin_sz | so, apache2 in etch still not working for me |
| 22:35.19 | dkr | peterS: not it doesn't or the error wouldn't coming from /bin/sh -c |
| 22:35.22 | tarzeau | robin_sz: error msg? |
| 22:35.23 | markybob | xand: hrm. seems like a waste for just that |
| 22:35.30 | linux3 | tarzeau: touching any of the keys causes it to go away |
| 22:35.31 | minus | This channel should be devided in to 2 channels o_O The scrolling is so fast :P */me zip'z hes mouth* |
| 22:35.31 | xand | markybob: hardly |
| 22:35.37 | Coweater | tarzeau: nv, couldn't really get a screenshot, i can take a picture next time it happens i suppose |
| 22:35.40 | Sweetandy | minus: But Etch works so well! What would the benefits of Lenny be? Bleeding edge action? |
| 22:35.41 | linux3 | tarzeau: so i would need to take something like a video |
| 22:35.42 | sgeigerbot | Screenshots Demystified. "import" and xwd are a command-line programs, GIMP is a GUI program. Under GIMP: File | Acquire | Screenshot. "import" example: "import foo.jpg" which will prompt you to click on a window to take a picture. "import -window root root.jpeg" will capture the entire X server window. (Requires imagemagick.) Type "display" and then click "Grab" (also requires imagemagic) xwd example: "xwd -frame | convert - |
| 22:35.42 | sgeigerbot | img1.png" or "xwd | xwud" to display the image. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd...oh and don't forget about ksnapshot and xsg. |
| 22:35.44 | xand | markybob: if you're mounting using fuse, you don't want to have to su to unmount |
| 22:35.48 | robin_sz | tarzeau, can't locate Apache2.pm .. mod_perl |
| 22:35.51 | peterS | dkr: oh right. well, I don't know then. what does your /bin/sh point to? |
| 22:35.52 | phretor | xand: did you get my answer to your question about one our ago? |
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| 22:36.00 | robin_sz | tarzeau, bug report filed |
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| 22:36.07 | peterS | dkr: default on debian is /bin/bash but my system for example uses /bin/dash |
| 22:36.15 | robin_sz | tarzeau, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418825 |
| 22:36.15 | markybob | xand: no, but it's even faster to type sudo umount |
| 22:36.45 | xand | markybob: erm, you wouldn't necessarily want to give people sudo access? (and sudo sucks) |
| 22:36.45 | tarzeau | streuner: an url won't replace any grammar rules |
| 22:37.00 | rahul | I fry bots. |
| 22:37.03 | dkr | peterS: aren't we all using debian? :) /bin/sh -> bash |
| 22:37.03 | streuner | tarzeau: i don't find a definition for that |
| 22:37.04 | xand | wtf is that stupid bot |
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| 22:37.11 | minus | Sweetandy, Naw.. But still, all the developers fokus on getting the programs to vork on the testing dist.. |
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| 22:37.17 | markybob | xand: sudo can be limited. oh well. thanks |
| 22:37.17 | sgeigerbot | ~dickstats |
| 22:37.32 | bytekode | lol |
| 22:37.33 | peterS | dkr: the dash package gives you an option, at install time, to set /bin/sh -> dash, see. I don't know if other shells (like posh) do the same. so it was a valid question |
| 22:37.38 | tarzeau | dkr: sh or bash is not the same |
| 22:37.53 | tarzeau | dkr: a program might react different based on how it's called (as sh or bash) |
| 22:37.54 | rahul | heh |
| 22:37.56 | dkr | % bash |
| 22:37.56 | dkr | dkr@eos:~$ [ $(date +%d) -le 14 ] && echo lessthan14 |
| 22:37.56 | dkr | lessthan14 |
| 22:37.59 | karsten | peterS: What controls where /bin/sh points? |
| 22:38.00 | sgeigerbot | !dickstats |
| 22:38.00 | dpkg | [dickstats] see bot abuse |
| 22:38.01 | streuner | haha |
| 22:38.03 | dkr | % sh |
| 22:38.03 | dkr | sh-3.1$ [ $(date +%d) -le 14 ] && echo lessthan14 |
| 22:38.03 | dkr | lessthan14 |
| 22:38.13 | karsten | peterS: That's not /etc/alternative. Just user preference? |
| 22:38.14 | concept10 | Anyone have recommendations for command line bittorrent clients? |
| 22:38.15 | streuner | hm, sgeigerot wake rahul up |
| 22:38.27 | peterS | karsten: it's an option you're given when you install 'dash'. |
| 22:38.28 | xand | mentor: can you ban that too |
| 22:38.31 | tarzeau | concept10: rtorrent? |
| 22:38.33 | streuner | something positive at least... |
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| 22:38.44 | rahul | heh |
| 22:38.47 | karsten | concept10: btdownloadcurses |
| 22:38.48 | concept10 | tarzeau, ill try it |
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| 22:38.59 | rahul | sgeigerbot: I swear they're girls! |
| 22:39.07 | karsten | peterS: Any side effects? |
| 22:39.17 | rahul | actually, haven't been to the W 20s in a long while |
| 22:39.17 | karsten | peterS: Via diversion. |
| 22:39.19 | karsten | peterS: Thanks. |
| 22:39.20 | peterS | karsten: I've been using dash as /bin/sh for many years, almost nothing breaks |
| 22:39.22 | concept10 | I just want to tell my server to go get a torrent and done |
| 22:39.27 | mentor | sgeigerbot: behave. |
| 22:39.48 | peterS | karsten: when a package manages to break because of this, I file a bug. this happens probably less than 3 times a year now |
| 22:39.58 | minus | Damn! I really want to put in a new disk in one of my computers.. But i dont want to turn it of :( |
| 22:40.03 | sgeigerbot | It's surprising how many of you are still hanging out in here. |
| 22:40.08 | robin_sz | that sgeigerbot is getting fscking annoying |
| 22:40.09 | xand | minus: usb! |
| 22:40.10 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 22:40.14 | streuner | sgeigerbot: that's enough for today (lessons) |
| 22:40.17 | mentor | sgeigerbot: Speak for yourself. |
| 22:40.20 | sgeigerbot | robin_sz: newbie! |
| 22:40.27 | minus | xand, I dont have a USB harddrive.. |
| 22:40.29 | mentor | sgeigerbot: Really, behave. |
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| 22:40.38 | streuner | robin_sz: nah, he is always so ;-) |
| 22:40.38 | karsten | peterS: Yeah, it's mostly my own scripts, though I tend to specify #!/bin/bash these days. |
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| 22:40.49 | streuner | sgeigerbot: "Jawohl" |
| 22:40.50 | karsten | peterS: Unfortunately we've got a lot of systems w/o bash these days. |
| 22:40.59 | buggy | std::die() |
| 22:40.59 | minus | Hm.. Format my iPod and install debian on a little partition :P |
| 22:41.02 | buggy | lol |
| 22:41.04 | streuner | sgeigerbot: hehe, "Jawohl" |
| 22:41.05 | sgeigerbot | streuner: maybe it was a Freudian... |
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| 22:41.09 | buggy | std::die() |
| 22:41.11 | vision | HI AKLL |
| 22:41.21 | buggy | lol |
| 22:41.25 | vision | is this da debia nc channel?= |
| 22:41.26 | peterS | karsten: I don't find that unfortunate at all. it's not hard to write scripts that don't use bashisms, if you are aware of a few issues. the devscripts package even includes a nifty program 'checkbashisms' |
| 22:41.27 | buggy | SIZ |
| 22:41.28 | streuner | sgeigerbot: you confusing people here, what did you smoke today? |
| 22:41.31 | tarzeau | vision: nc? |
| 22:41.34 | vision | nc? |
| 22:41.45 | vision | what do ya mean? |
| 22:41.46 | vision | dude? |
| 22:41.48 | sgeigerbot | netcat? |
| 22:41.50 | robin_sz | streuner, maybe so, but still, I feel the need to add he/she/it to my /ignore list |
| 22:41.51 | peterS | vision: yes this is da debia nc channel!= |
| 22:41.53 | karsten | peterS: No kidding! |
| 22:41.53 | xand | vision: you said it! |
| 22:41.53 | minus | does someone know a small linux dist.. That'll maximum take ~5 GB |
| 22:41.54 | sgeigerbot | /usr/bin/nc probably |
| 22:41.56 | sgeigerbot | ? |
| 22:42.00 | vision | okay |
| 22:42.02 | vision | thanks guy |
| 22:42.02 | vision | s |
| 22:42.03 | karsten | peterS: I *like* my bashisms. |
| 22:42.03 | tarzeau | minus: debian? |
| 22:42.06 | buggy | lol |
| 22:42.06 | vision | i love you |
| 22:42.07 | vision | ehehehhe |
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| 22:42.14 | minus | tarzeau, :P |
| 22:42.15 | rahul | this channel is full of crack smoke |
| 22:42.15 | sgeigerbot | streuner: smoked brisket. I live in Texas now. |
| 22:42.15 | vision | :********* |
| 22:42.18 | minus | Its always debian |
| 22:42.19 | minus | XD |
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| 22:42.35 | tarzeau | minus: livecd.gnustep.org too, and damnsmalllinux |
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| 22:42.42 | peterS | minus: you can install debian in a lot less than 5 GB if you don't need big things like KDE or openoffice |
| 22:42.45 | karsten | sgeigerbot: It's spelled !@#$%^&. |
| 22:42.49 | karsten | sgeigerbot: The @ is silent. |
| 22:42.56 | minus | peterS, ok.. |
| 22:42.59 | rahul | sgeigerbot: your brain is going to hell in a handbrisket |
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| 22:43.13 | minus | What space does debian w/ xfce4 use? |
| 22:43.21 | Supaplex | very little |
| 22:43.28 | rahul | minus: just xfce4? probably 100MB |
| 22:43.30 | karsten | minus: apt-cache show <packagename> shows space reqs. |
| 22:43.35 | concept10 | minus, you want xfce on your ipod? |
| 22:43.38 | sgeigerbot | rahul: 2> /dev/brain 1> /dev/toiletbrisket |
| 22:43.40 | minus | concept10, nono.. |
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| 22:44.01 | minus | I want to have it installd on theiPod so i can use it as a harddrive for the computer |
| 22:44.01 | Supaplex | minus: ohhh the nano. |
| 22:44.06 | robin_sz | toiletbrisket? |
| 22:44.07 | sgeigerbot | sgeigerbot% mount -t brain /dev/brain /brain ...gives me: ERROR: Device does not exist. |
| 22:44.14 | mentor | That doesn't recurse down dependencies though |
| 22:44.21 | mentor | aptitude will tell you |
| 22:44.22 | rahul | minus: that's an EXPENSIVE usb memory stick. |
| 22:44.23 | minus | No.. I got a 30 GB video iPod |
| 22:44.27 | sgeigerbot | robin_sz: All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!! |
| 22:44.34 | peterS | sgeigerbot: probably /dev/brain0, in case you're set up for multiprocessing |
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| 22:44.41 | Sashi | should i get etch? |
| 22:44.45 | minus | rahul, thats why i only want to ~ 5 GB's of it |
| 22:44.48 | robin_sz | is toiletbrisket like brown trout? |
| 22:44.48 | peterS | Sashi: it's what all the cool kids are doing |
| 22:44.49 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: knock it off |
| 22:44.51 | sgeigerbot | peterS: device not found |
| 22:44.53 | streuner | Sashi: why not? |
| 22:44.53 | minus | Sashi, no.. Get Debian Lenny |
| 22:44.55 | Sashi | lol peter |
| 22:45.02 | streuner | not 'Lenny' atm |
| 22:45.06 | Supaplex | hush minus |
| 22:45.07 | rahul | minus: what diff does that make? |
| 22:45.10 | concept10 | minus, I glad you said that, I was beginning to think that you were possibly my niece and somehow found your way on #debian |
| 22:45.10 | Sashi | lol |
| 22:45.14 | Sashi | lenny is testing XD |
| 22:45.17 | abrotman | please don't tell people to get Lenny |
| 22:45.20 | minus | concept10, ^^ |
| 22:45.24 | karsten | minus: about 16 MB for all XFCE stuff on my box. |
| 22:45.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Zip it! |
| 22:45.40 | minus | Sashi, yeah.. You use Testingon WorkStations and stable on servers |
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| 22:45.46 | minus | karsten, o_O |
| 22:45.47 | minus | Cool |
| 22:45.53 | peterS | Sashi: etch is debian stable. it is what we recommend to everyone now. a few rough edges _might_ be polished by etch r1, due in a couple of months, but honestly those are minor things that most people won't notice |
| 22:45.54 | minus | abrotman, why not? |
| 22:45.59 | Supaplex | zip it good |
| 22:46.01 | concept10 | minus, my niece has bugged me 5 times to install linux on her ipod. I think its kind of funny. |
| 22:46.07 | karsten | minus: echo "scale=3; $(apt-cache show $( dpkg --get-selections | awk '/xfce/ {print $1}' ) | awk '/^Size/ {print $2}' | addup)/(1024*1024)" | bc |
| 22:46.07 | abrotman | bah .. i don't have op powers! |
| 22:46.17 | minus | concept10, she is a girl ?! XD |
| 22:46.18 | karsten | minus: 'addup' is a local awk script that adds up a column of numbers. |
| 22:46.26 | abrotman | minus: it's about to become pretty rough going |
| 22:46.29 | Sashi | hmm.. |
| 22:46.38 | Sashi | o ok peterS |
| 22:46.44 | karsten | concept10: Told her about Barbie Linux yet? |
| 22:46.44 | Supaplex | minus: apt-get install xfce, review the totals, and decide. |
| 22:46.44 | Sashi | so etch is 4.0? |
| 22:46.50 | Sweetandy | YAY |
| 22:46.50 | peterS | minus: just don't. people shouldn't use lenny unless they're prepared for it to destabilize seriously within the next month. if someone doesn't know what to use, they should use etch. |
| 22:46.58 | concept10 | minerale, its funny when I go over my sisters house and I see ipodlinux installers on the desktop |
| 22:47.04 | israel | drop it like its hooot |
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| 22:47.04 | concept10 | oops wrong name |
| 22:47.11 | minus | Supaplex, i already use xfce4.. |
| 22:47.25 | Sashi | peterS, etch = 4.0? |
| 22:47.29 | peterS | Sashi: yes |
| 22:47.30 | fango | For a C2D proc, should I just be using the 686 kernel or w/ SMP? |
| 22:47.31 | concept10 | karsten, that would be my worst nightmare |
| 22:47.40 | Supaplex | minus: my bad. |
| 22:47.46 | rahul | fango: smp |
| 22:47.54 | Sashi | one more question... how well is Codecs for AMD64 now? |
| 22:47.57 | Sashi | is it still crap? |
| 22:47.58 | Sashi | xD |
| 22:47.59 | fango | rahul: shivy, ty. |
| 22:48.00 | abrotman | fango: linux-image-2.6-686 will be fine |
| 22:48.08 | peterS | no idea on that one, I don't have an amd64 |
| 22:48.08 | minus | btw, can you install debian w/ xfce4 on an ipod and use the linux as the Operativsystem on the ipod |
| 22:48.25 | minus | btw, has anyone tried ipodlinux? |
| 22:48.26 | Supaplex | buy me amd64, and I'll let you know. |
| 22:48.29 | abrotman | i'ts not even sunday ... |
| 22:48.32 | concept10 | karsten, somehow my niece learned if she installed linux on her ipod, she could possible turn a nano into a video ipod. |
| 22:48.38 | rahul | it's fri 13 |
| 22:48.43 | peterS | minus: debian doesn't directly support running on ipod, so ipodlinux isn't really on-topic here |
| 22:48.52 | streuner | rahul: not here anymore ;-) |
| 22:48.56 | minus | peterS, ok.. |
| 22:49.12 | rahul | streuner: well, then the crazies must not be from around you any more :P |
| 22:49.30 | streuner | hehe, true |
| 22:49.42 | karsten | concept10: Heh. |
| 22:49.46 | minus | And to all ppl wanting to install linux, Don't install 64bit version of it.. Its like hell... |
| 22:49.51 | rahul | that reminds me, I better go crazy tonight |
| 22:49.59 | tarzeau | minus: not so on alpha or mips :) |
| 22:49.59 | rahul | because I'll be going crazy tomorrow night |
| 22:50.06 | phretor | is it possible to have a green old-styled framebuffered terminal? |
| 22:50.15 | Sashi | so how well is AMD64 codecs and such? |
| 22:50.16 | rahul | green? |
| 22:50.16 | tarzeau | minus: also nice on ultrasparcs |
| 22:50.29 | minus | tarzeau, ok.. |
| 22:50.30 | phretor | rahul: green on black |
| 22:50.32 | sgeigerbot | minus: be more specific. |
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| 22:50.41 | eifzon | hello |
| 22:50.42 | concept10 | rahul, tonight? you've been talking crazy stuff all day :p |
| 22:50.43 | rahul | phretor: what does that have to do with framebuffer? |
| 22:50.48 | rahul | concept10: me? not really. |
| 22:50.56 | phretor | rahul: it was just a plus, forget it |
| 22:51.09 | tvynr | Hmm. Why are configuration files placed in /etc/defaults as well as /etc? |
| 22:51.11 | rahul | phretor: you can control the colors that fbcon uses, I guess |
| 22:51.17 | tvynr | er |
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| 22:51.21 | tvynr | /etc/default, even |
| 22:51.22 | eifzon | how do i add my bnc to irssi? |
| 22:51.24 | minus | ok.. more specific: Nothing works on 64bit without a looot of headakes.. Flash, Java, Wine |
| 22:51.27 | minus | Whatever |
| 22:51.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: we had a debian etch grill party :) |
| 22:51.36 | peterS | tarzeau: it's because people on sparc or alpha have lower expectations. people on amd64 expect to be able to run all the crap non-free i386 apps, plugins and codecs, people on alpha and sparc know that will never happen |
| 22:51.41 | Sashi | soooo |
| 22:51.43 | tvynr | minus: Only one headache with amd64. |
| 22:51.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't get invited |
| 22:51.50 | minus | tvynr, ? |
| 22:51.54 | tvynr | minus: And that's setting up your 32-bit chroot. :) |
| 22:51.54 | Sashi | peterS, how well is AMD64 codecs and such? |
| 22:51.55 | tarzeau | peterS: i don't have those expectations |
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| 22:52.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, but you're not even in europe |
| 22:52.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: to any party :) |
| 22:52.14 | streuner | abrotman: it was prolly in .ch ... |
| 22:52.15 | sgeigerbot | minus: How many desktop/laptop class machines have 64 bit CPUs these days? |
| 22:52.19 | peterS | someone send abrotman to europe, quick |
| 22:52.28 | minus | sgeigerbot, Alot! |
| 22:52.32 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: many! |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | see .. no one likes me! |
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| 22:52.37 | concept10 | minus, 32bit should be enough for anyone |
| 22:52.40 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Never fear, sgeigerbot is here! |
| 22:52.45 | minus | concept10, exactly.. |
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| 22:52.52 | concept10 | lol |
| 22:52.59 | sgeigerbot | rahul: thanks. |
| 22:53.05 | minus | I even think 32Bit runes faster on my 64bit machin than 64 bit did |
| 22:53.05 | tvynr | concept10: This is a take on "640Kb of RAM should be enough for anyone", yes? |
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| 22:53.13 | streuner | hm, peterS, abrotman: i saw today a offer from a low-cost-airliner, they fly from europe to the states for 10 bucks ;-) |
| 22:53.19 | tvynr | minus: Heh... I'd like to see those benchmarks. :) |
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| 22:53.23 | abrotman | streuner: that doens't help me |
| 22:53.25 | concept10 | tvynr, yeah and he agreed :p |
| 22:53.27 | peterS | streuner: hot-air balloon? |
| 22:53.39 | streuner | peterS: 'Ryanair' |
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| 22:53.46 | streuner | peterS: seriously |
| 22:53.53 | minus | tvynr, Everything was slower.. atleas on my labcomp.. 3500+ AMD.. |
| 22:53.55 | rahul | streuner: probably unconfirmed standby seat |
| 22:54.05 | streuner | rahul: nah |
| 22:54.07 | peterS | streuner: I wonder why. obviously they can't actually operate an airplane for that price. |
| 22:54.15 | rahul | streuner: yeah, they do that stuff, seriously |
| 22:54.18 | torrr | say with the permssions... world permissions goes to users of the machine only? or ?? |
| 22:54.30 | peterS | streuner: unless the A380 is _really_ _really_ cheap to fly.... |
| 22:54.34 | Guerin | well ... in principle, the world |
| 22:54.39 | Guerin | but only if thew world can get a shell |
| 22:54.42 | rahul | peterS: it's like the last 5 seats on the plane |
| 22:54.44 | israel | hi streuner :) |
| 22:54.46 | maher | i don't seem to be able to change the sound volume - what program am I meant to use to do this? |
| 22:54.52 | streuner | peterS: they have really low prizes, i think 10 bucks is a tempo offer, but for 100 you will get a flight any time... |
| 22:54.54 | torrr | Guerin, ah |
| 22:54.55 | peterS | maher: aumix is what I've always used |
| 22:55.01 | tarzeau | peterS: me too :) |
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| 22:55.14 | tvynr | minus: The only way programs might run slower on a 64-bit machine is if the 64-bit memory addresses actually take up so much space that you're cache swapping a lot. I'd tentatively expect such problems to be configuration-related, but I wasn't actually using the machine, so I don't know. |
| 22:55.16 | sword | maher: gamix or alsamixer is more graphical |
| 22:55.16 | torrr | Guerin, so its shellable |
| 22:55.29 | Guerin | torrr: when you get a shell, you're a user. |
| 22:55.31 | tvynr | maher: Under KDE it's KMixer. Or you can use alsamixer from the command line. |
| 22:55.33 | torrr | Guerin, which means users from other groops |
| 22:55.35 | maher | peterS: doesn't change the volume |
| 22:55.37 | Guerin | yes. |
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| 22:55.51 | israel | hi streuner :) |
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| 22:56.03 | tvynr | Does anyone know the rationale that is used to separate files that go into /etc/default from files that just go straight into /etc? |
| 22:56.10 | peterS | tvynr: depends on the app, certainly. the greater cache usage _is_ very noticeable. it should be offset by the significant difference in the number of registers available, but this may or may not be true for all apps |
| 22:56.13 | FuzzyB | can anyone tell me where to find a good init.d script template? |
| 22:56.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: looks like fun? http://nadir.is.online.fr/images/stories/yap.gif |
| 22:56.27 | torrr | Guerin, ok |
| 22:56.30 | rahul | tvynr: /etc/default are configurations for debian's own scripts |
| 22:56.33 | Supaplex | tvynr: /etc/default is for includes for various /etc/init.d/ scripts |
| 22:56.34 | peterS | tvynr: /etc/default is typically used by init scripts for daemons and boot-time stuff (scripts that live in /etc/init.d) |
| 22:56.35 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: what about, say in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 22:56.41 | tvynr | peterS: Is it? I wouldn't've expected that. |
| 22:56.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: uh .. ok |
| 22:56.47 | tvynr | woo! answer flurry! |
| 22:56.49 | tvynr | :) |
| 22:56.56 | FuzzyB | tarzeau: most of them have way to much crap going on in them |
| 22:57.01 | FuzzyB | i just want something like a template |
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| 22:57.12 | {Nathan} | If I run "aptitude install pcmcia-cs", should that enable pcmcia support? |
| 22:57.25 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: here's my /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat echo moo |
| 22:57.43 | tvynr | rahul, Supaplex, peterS: What if I'm writing a daemon that receives information from a userspace command line app and both of them need the config file? /etc/default? |
| 22:57.48 | peterS | tvynr: note that on many architectures (sparc64, powerpc64, etc.) most OSes use a 64-bit kernel for access to more system memory, but apps themselves mostly run in 32-bit mode because it _is_ more efficient. because on those architectures there is the memory/cache usage _not_ offset by use of more registers. |
| 22:58.03 | streuner | peterS, abrotman: in US you can travel by airplane very cheap too, why don't you think its possible between those continents? |
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| 22:58.07 | rahul | tvynr: no, that would be in /etc/<app> or /etc/<protocol> |
| 22:58.21 | peterS | tvynr: /etc/default is typically just used to specify command-line parameters and things like that, for _starting_ the daemon. not used by the daemon itself. |
| 22:58.40 | tvynr | peterS, rahul: Ah ha. Excellent, thanks. :) |
| 22:58.43 | abrotman | streuner: define 'cheap' |
| 22:58.47 | peterS | streuner: not from my local airport, flights are relatively expensive from here no matter where I go |
| 22:58.56 | streuner | peterS, abrotman: there are a number of airlines in europe which fly very cheap and they make profit |
| 22:58.56 | minus | tvynr, it was slower when opening the console, Firefox blabla.. |
| 22:59.06 | Supaplex | abrotman: less than the cost of the airline ;) |
| 22:59.09 | streuner | abrotman: cheap like 50-100 bucks |
| 22:59.15 | rahul | abrotman: missing two teeth and having a crooked nose |
| 22:59.18 | tvynr | minus: Gotcha. That's interesting. |
| 22:59.20 | maher | streuner: the rules restrict which airlines can fly - this is popular with the airlines which benefit as they make much more money that way... |
| 22:59.31 | rahul | I find those are the cheap ones |
| 22:59.32 | abrotman | streuner: sure .. they don't fly to europe though |
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| 22:59.51 | maher | ok - for sounf I need to adjust center _and_ lfe, whatever that is.... |
| 22:59.58 | streuner | abrotman: not those, but 'Ryanair' just started... |
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| 23:00.22 | streuner | abrotman: ... to fly over the ocean |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | why can't i get a Polo here ? |
| 23:00.33 | maher | streuner: note that non-US airlines can't fly between US cities either... |
| 23:00.46 | stew | man, this cheese i brought back from holland is delicious |
| 23:00.49 | stew | happy friday! |
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| 23:00.56 | abrotman | just like stew not to share ... |
| 23:00.58 | Guerin | stew: happy saturday for me! |
| 23:01.03 | streuner | maher: sure, its enough to fly over the ocean, in US flying is pretty cheap too... |
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| 23:01.08 | rahul | stew: bring some on sunday! |
| 23:01.11 | stew | Guerin: hope your friday was happy too |
| 23:01.14 | stew | rahul: f that |
| 23:01.17 | rahul | bastage |
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| 23:01.21 | Guerin | this is the FIRST weekend one which I don't have either family or work commitments since I came back to NZ in June last year |
| 23:01.24 | rahul | you're gonna eat it all before that huh? |
| 23:01.33 | undesktop | how is firmware in Linux/Debian handled? where to put it? how it it loaded by drivers? |
| 23:01.35 | abrotman | i would too :) |
| 23:01.37 | sgeigerbot | streuner: Oooohh.. I had the *BEST* cheese and kittens dinner the other day. |
| 23:01.38 | sorear | <slightly peeved> What mailing list should I have joined if I wanted advance notice of the debian TeX packages tripling in size? |
| 23:01.40 | abrotman | /lib/firmware |
| 23:01.42 | Guerin | and it's a beautiful day, and I'm going to test-drive a car |
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| 23:01.48 | abrotman | sorear: d-d-a |
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| 23:02.00 | undesktop | abrotman: I put it there, but the driver still doesn't find it |
| 23:02.10 | undesktop | abrotman: the filename seems to be correct |
| 23:02.12 | abrotman | stupid driver |
| 23:02.20 | rahul | it's gonna rain here tomorrow :\ |
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| 23:02.26 | sorear | is there a less bloated set of TeX packages, or should I just switch back to using troff for my typesetting needs? |
| 23:02.40 | Guerin | sorear: which tex suite? |
| 23:02.58 | stew | rahul: i heard snow this weekend? |
| 23:03.01 | Guerin | sorear: part of the issue might be that TeTeX is no longer maintained, so everyone is moving to TexLive, which is |
| 23:03.09 | sorear | that's my question ... I was using tetex (200MB), but sid really wants to move me to TexLive (500MB) |
| 23:03.19 | undesktop | I think it somehow has to do with hotplug... but installing hotplug would do evil things |
| 23:03.21 | sorear | I'd like to use something smaller :) |
| 23:03.30 | rahul | sorear: so don't install ALL the different packages |
| 23:03.31 | rahul | wtf |
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| 23:03.40 | undesktop | like removing udev, hal, and some kernel packages |
| 23:03.42 | Guerin | sorear: yeah. You can go on using tetex, but it's a dead end |
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| 23:03.58 | rahul | stew: low's gonna be 40 |
| 23:04.03 | Guerin | sorear: i've not noticed a difference between the two, but I guess that will change. |
| 23:04.35 | stew | i actually haven't been outside since monday |
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| 23:04.52 | stew | oh that's not true, i wandered aound the backyard while on the phone |
| 23:05.01 | maher | sorear: you can just put the old packages on hold and keep then |
| 23:05.05 | sorear | hmm, removing the 'tetex-extra' transitional package cut the amount of stuff aptitude wants to give me in half, yay |
| 23:05.19 | rahul | sorear: exactly |
| 23:05.34 | rahul | sorear: now pick and choose the deps under it that you want |
| 23:05.48 | rahul | sorear: this isn't as hard as you're making it out to be |
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| 23:06.59 | undesktop | is hotplug outdated? |
| 23:07.06 | peterS | undesktop: yes, udev has replaced it |
| 23:07.06 | rahul | !buttplug |
| 23:07.06 | dpkg | i heard buttplug is rah00's version of hotplug. |
| 23:07.16 | buggy | lol |
| 23:07.17 | abrotman | undesktop: yes |
| 23:07.27 | undesktop | ew |
| 23:07.45 | undesktop | so udev does firmware loading, I guess |
| 23:08.00 | cafuego | !petasmite rahul |
| 23:08.10 | rahul | heh |
| 23:08.23 | undesktop | dpkg seems to be extremely violent |
| 23:08.29 | rahul | !penixstrike undesktop |
| 23:08.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking undesktop to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:08.30 | Zomb | undesktop: usually there is a kernel module that provides the loading methods |
| 23:08.35 | rahul | you haven't seen the half of it |
| 23:08.36 | cafuego | undesktop: well |
| 23:08.45 | intruder | undesktop: ? |
| 23:08.53 | cafuego | rahul: I'd forgotten that I replaced that factoid |
| 23:09.03 | rahul | cafuego: you tool |
| 23:09.08 | undesktop | Zomb: like? |
| 23:09.20 | cafuego | "not the band, I'm just a tool" |
| 23:09.29 | rahul | heh |
| 23:09.33 | cafuego | rahul: in my defence, i hadn't been on #debian for well over a year |
| 23:09.35 | rahul | zackly |
| 23:09.38 | Zomb | undesktop: like /lib/modules/2.6.21-rc6/kernel/drivers/base/firmware_class.ko |
| 23:09.40 | rahul | pff |
| 23:09.41 | tarzeau | !seen vaginax |
| 23:09.41 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'vaginax', tarzeau |
| 23:09.49 | undesktop | Zomb: yes, the driver uses that |
| 23:09.50 | rahul | cafuego: but YOU replaced it |
| 23:10.11 | cafuego | rahul: Only because there was some concern about the original factoid |
| 23:10.22 | rahul | excuses excuses |
| 23:10.33 | undesktop | and I put the firmware into /lib/firmware/, even the driver README says so... but the driver still errors: "Error - Failed to load Firmware." |
| 23:10.44 | cafuego | rahul: Ah! No! I remember! This `Dictato' was going around changing it on a nearly daily basis |
| 23:11.10 | intruder | is using sarge bad at this time ? |
| 23:11.10 | rahul | heh, ok |
| 23:11.15 | tarzeau | intruder: no |
| 23:11.18 | cafuego | intruder: not at all |
| 23:11.20 | intruder | i noticed i got a libc6 update on my sarge |
| 23:11.23 | tarzeau | intruder: it should be safe to use another half year |
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| 23:11.28 | rahul | intruder: not bad, but start putting together a migration plan |
| 23:11.34 | intruder | but there will be no more security updates no ? |
| 23:11.39 | rahul | there will be |
| 23:11.48 | sorear | what mailing lists should a sid user be on? |
| 23:11.50 | rahul | it's not obsolete. it's old stable. |
| 23:11.57 | rahul | sorear: debian-devel |
| 23:11.58 | cafuego | sorear: #mental-help |
| 23:12.01 | rahul | heh |
| 23:12.03 | dudeman | hah |
| 23:12.08 | rahul | hrh |
| 23:12.09 | dudeman | hey |
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| 23:12.12 | dudeman | i just thought of something |
| 23:12.18 | rahul | dudeman: I think I'm gonna go to bar 9 tonight |
| 23:12.24 | dudeman | rahul spelled backwards means armorer/blacksmith in hindi |
| 23:12.24 | sorear | isn't # illegal in rfc822-style addrs? :) |
| 23:12.25 | dudeman | haha |
| 23:12.29 | rahul | we'll have a debian preparty |
| 23:12.31 | rahul | dudeman: yep |
| 23:12.34 | cafuego | sorear: shhhh! |
| 23:12.58 | intruder | hrm ok, and about that libc6 update, anyone has ideas on how sure it is ?, i tought in a second this might be a mistake |
| 23:13.04 | rahul | I'm a metal breakdown! |
| 23:13.17 | sorear | that's funny, aptitude got four http errors trying to download the update ... |
| 23:13.35 | cafuego | mc hammer vs. megadeth? |
| 23:13.42 | rahul | you know... |
| 23:13.44 | dudeman | what rahlu |
| 23:13.49 | undesktop | so what can I do? the firmware is there, as the README requests, but the driver doesn't find it... who is to blame? |
| 23:13.50 | dudeman | knowing him its probably mc hammered |
| 23:13.51 | dudeman | lol |
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| 23:13.53 | PaSurf | I am trying to track down a issue with LAMP (on debian) pertaining to a extension called php_mysql.so. Is this something debian uses only for mysql? |
| 23:13.57 | rahul | heh |
| 23:14.03 | rahul | dudeman: come out to bar 9 tonight |
| 23:14.11 | dudeman | I can't dude |
| 23:14.14 | rahul | psht |
| 23:14.27 | rahul | I'll buy you a drink |
| 23:14.36 | rahul | since they'll probably give me 2 freebies |
| 23:14.45 | dudeman | i don't like to take bus/train, and you said don't drive, its cold and its getting dark |
| 23:14.50 | rahul | waaa. |
| 23:14.50 | stew | i'll go... if its in brooklyn |
| 23:14.53 | dudeman | i dunno nyc, im gonna be like, the first time I used redhat |
| 23:14.57 | dudeman | i was lost |
| 23:14.57 | rahul | no, hell's kitchen |
| 23:14.59 | rahul | haha |
| 23:15.15 | stew | dudeman: rpm -qa | grep bar9 |
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| 23:15.21 | dudeman | lol |
| 23:15.22 | rahul | heh |
| 23:15.27 | dudeman | well hey |
| 23:15.34 | dudeman | i'll see you guys on sunday |
| 23:15.36 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:15.36 | Joe7 | ehm. I just got the following kernel error when I tried to stop mysql: http://tools.gallery2.org/pastebin/1487 Any idea? |
| 23:15.39 | rahul | bah |
| 23:15.51 | stew | bring a gpg fingerprint |
| 23:16.13 | dudeman | lol |
| 23:16.17 | rahul | you should |
| 23:16.28 | stew | cuz thats how we roll |
| 23:16.32 | rahul | yeah |
| 23:16.39 | dudeman | I roll with white owl |
| 23:16.42 | dudeman | peach flavor |
| 23:16.44 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:16.48 | stew | eww |
| 23:16.56 | cafuego | Joe7: Yeh, that's exceedingly bad. |
| 23:17.04 | sorear | Joe7: an oops is a kernel or driver bug ... first run memtest86+, then come back and whine ten times louder (unless memtest86+ said you have bad ram) |
| 23:17.13 | dudeman | rahul call me and i'll see if i can go tonight |
| 23:17.19 | rahul | blah |
| 23:17.58 | cafuego | Joe7: Your kernel crashed whilst trying to read data off disk. |
| 23:18.26 | Joe7 | cafuego: but I have the same kernel and disks for half+ year..ehm :/ |
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| 23:18.48 | dudeman | ok soon as i find a wireless card i can get my debian systm back up |
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| 23:19.19 | dudeman | damn bootsector got wiped when i installed windows to play oblivion. now i have to install grub under NT, boot debian, and keep a dual booter until i unpack my other machines |
| 23:20.01 | Joe7 | sorear: wazzup with memtest86+? Does system need to be rebooted for that? |
| 23:20.34 | torrr | can I chmod -R only files? |
| 23:20.49 | rahul | Joe7: yes, it tests memory directly |
| 23:20.50 | sorear | Joe7: yes |
| 23:20.50 | stew | Joe7: yes, read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+ ; iirc you need to uncoment something in menu.lst, run update-grub and reboot |
| 23:20.50 | cafuego | Joe7: Well, there are four possibilities. Either some ram is busted, the harddisk is busted, the hdd controlelr is busted or the ide/sata/sci cable is busted. |
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| 23:21.10 | rahul | Joe7: otherwise kernel memory management would be shifiting virtual pages around |
| 23:21.19 | sorear | There is actually a fifth possibility - a kernel bug. |
| 23:21.23 | sorear | but that's pretty rare. |
| 23:21.27 | cafuego | Joe7: Oh, *or* the machine got hit by cosmic radation in an unfortunate way. |
| 23:21.32 | Joe7 | rahul: k, but I don't have physical access :| |
| 23:21.36 | rahul | or I farted at it |
| 23:21.40 | stew | its got worms |
| 23:21.45 | cafuego | rahul: that's what i said |
| 23:21.50 | rahul | heh |
| 23:22.08 | rahul | I'm COSMIC, baby! |
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| 23:22.19 | cafuego | Nop, unfortunate ;-) |
| 23:22.25 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:24.17 | torrr | is ther a way to chmod -R and not take the x away from the directories? |
| 23:24.26 | sorear | relative modes |
| 23:24.38 | sorear | chmod -R ugo+w |
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| 23:24.50 | sorear | that will give everyone write access, without touching x bits |
| 23:24.55 | sorear | or r bits, or t bits |
| 23:25.05 | streuner | torrr: in order to not able to even access those? ;-) |
| 23:25.07 | undesktop | okok |
| 23:25.07 | cafuego | torrr: find . -type f - exec chmod -x {} \; |
| 23:25.18 | undesktop | so how can I make udev to load my stupid firmware? |
| 23:25.21 | cafuego | torrr: find . -type f -exec chmod -x {} \; |
| 23:25.26 | cafuego | stupid spacing |
| 23:25.48 | stew | torrr: use X instead of x (read the manpage about X) |
| 23:25.51 | torrr | interesting |
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| 23:26.27 | cafuego | stew: X will also not remove 'x' from files that already have an x bit set |
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| 23:26.43 | cafuego | ... at elast, that's how I understand it. |
| 23:26.44 | stew | yes |
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| 23:27.03 | stew | X is x for directories and files that already have x |
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| 23:27.15 | N17AS | hi |
| 23:28.15 | delight | love my new debian ... so thrilled ... ;) |
| 23:28.17 | N17AS | i am trying to install debian4, but it fails to detect my SATA h/d. |
| 23:28.29 | streuner | hah |
| 23:28.29 | abrotman | delight: groove's in the heart ? |
| 23:28.46 | delight | abrotman: finally found my save place ;) |
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| 23:29.06 | cafuego | oh great, thanks abrotman. I hate that song, and now it's stuck in my head |
| 23:29.12 | abrotman | BONUS! |
| 23:29.48 | delight | abrotman: I cam over the years from 94/95 suse to redhat / mandriva ... ubuntu and now debian ... |
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| 23:30.00 | dudeman | dude |
| 23:30.02 | dudeman | WTF!!!! |
| 23:30.12 | delight | abrotman: now i feel like i found the right thing |
| 23:30.18 | dudeman | lets no talk about guys and their butts |
| 23:30.24 | dudeman | lets discuss the bsd devil chic |
| 23:30.27 | dudeman | and her butt |
| 23:30.29 | dudeman | if anything |
| 23:30.32 | dudeman | damn |
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| 23:30.43 | peterS | N17AS: oh dear. that problem was supposed to go away with the etch release (it happened to a lot of people in the sarge era) |
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| 23:31.02 | N17AS | i still have THE problem. |
| 23:31.06 | cafuego | N17AS: How new is your mainboard> |
| 23:31.23 | N17AS | toshiba notebook |
| 23:31.40 | peterS | N17AS: if the BIOS setup gives an option for AHCI mode or non-AHCI mode for your SATA chip, pick AHCI |
| 23:31.47 | cafuego | One of the ones with a vista-only bios? ;-) |
| 23:32.31 | cafuego | N17AS: if you're in the installer, can you run a shell and ehck the output from 'lspci' in regards to the sata controller? |
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| 23:32.35 | N17AS | Debian still have a problem with my H/D then. :( |
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| 23:32.41 | dudeman | thanks |
| 23:32.45 | dudeman | my bad people |
| 23:32.46 | dudeman | my bad |
| 23:32.50 | N17AS | i am in installer |
| 23:33.03 | N17AS | but i am not sure how can i go to shell |
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| 23:33.14 | karsten | N17AS: <alt><F2> |
| 23:33.41 | N17AS | i am in expergui as normal installer failed me. |
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| 23:33.57 | N17AS | now, i have to choose a driver for my H/D. |
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| 23:34.09 | karsten | N17AS: NFC then. <ctrl><alt><F2> may still work though. |
| 23:34.13 | N17AS | which i don't know what it is. |
| 23:34.18 | delight | If i got filelight crashing on exit (stable version) is that something that i can file a bug to at debian BTS or would I go more upstream like directly to the author of filelight? |
| 23:34.22 | N17AS | yes |
| 23:34.40 | n3kl | What can I use to connect the serial port on my machine to a cisco router? |
| 23:34.43 | karsten | N17AS: Are you running anything exotic for HD? Standard ATA/SATA/PATA Should Just Work. |
| 23:34.49 | karsten | n3kl: string |
| 23:34.55 | N17AS | ICH6M |
| 23:35.08 | karsten | n3kl: If the router has a serial port, a serial cable, possibly crossover. |
| 23:35.21 | karsten | n3kl: Otherwise, respecify your question. |
| 23:35.33 | N17AS | no, it is just normal SATA. |
| 23:35.37 | n3kl | like a hyper terminal of sorts? |
| 23:35.51 | karsten | N17AS: Have you tried just skipping that question? |
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| 23:35.55 | N17AS | yes |
| 23:36.30 | dudeman | hyperterminal |
| 23:36.35 | dudeman | you meanl ike a terminal application? |
| 23:36.42 | dudeman | xterm? or like a ppp term app? |
| 23:36.43 | N17AS | installer found a flopppy disk which my machine does not have. |
| 23:36.57 | n3kl | dudeman: yeah, isn't there like a minicom or something? |
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| 23:37.06 | dudeman | which one |
| 23:37.13 | N17AS | after that i don't know what to do. |
| 23:37.13 | dudeman | terminal emulator or a ppp dialer/term? |
| 23:37.15 | don_jr__ | how do I unzip a .zip file from a console? |
| 23:37.26 | HymnToLife` | don_jr__, unzip file.zip |
| 23:37.34 | rahul | n3kl: yeah, minicom will do it |
| 23:37.46 | karsten | don_jr__: install unzip if you don't have it. |
| 23:37.49 | n3kl | rahul: is there better> |
| 23:37.50 | karsten | !tell don_jr__ about installit |
| 23:37.51 | don_jr__ | HymnToLife tried that, unzip not a valid bash command |
| 23:37.51 | n3kl | ? |
| 23:37.55 | rahul | dunno |
| 23:38.09 | n3kl | don_jr__: install it |
| 23:38.27 | n3kl | don_jr__: apt-get install unzip && unzip file.zip |
| 23:38.28 | don_jr__ | karsten that's a bit uncalled for...I've tried to install it, you tell me the package it comes in and I will... |
| 23:38.29 | N17AS | debian just released a new version and i thought this problem should be fixed. |
| 23:38.41 | karsten | !tell don_jr__ about search |
| 23:38.48 | karsten | don_jr__: You're an adult, look for it. |
| 23:38.54 | karsten | don_jr__: (presumably if not in fact). |
| 23:39.10 | karsten | !find unzip |
| 23:39.11 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'unzip' (2): classpath-common-unzipped ;; unzip. |
| 23:39.18 | don_jr__ | karsten thanks.....I got it, I'll go elsewhere |
| 23:39.41 | karsten | don_jr__: If you don't want the help, you're welcome to ignore it. |
| 23:40.02 | karsten | don_jr__: It's faster to give tips and suggestions to serve yourself than to hand-hold you through the whole process. |
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| 23:40.08 | karsten | Oh well. |
| 23:40.10 | karsten | !customer |
| 23:40.11 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 23:40.53 | Miles_Prower | someone should make a package that is like.. certain types of artwork. 'apt-get install porn' XD |
| 23:41.14 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Well, there was "hot-babe", I think it's no longer present though. |
| 23:41.36 | Miles_Prower | hot-babe left linux. |
| 23:41.38 | Miles_Prower | = |
| 23:41.40 | Miles_Prower | =P |
| 23:41.43 | mfrisch | Miles_Prower: you a pornview fool |
| 23:41.53 | karsten | Miles_Prower: http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/ |
| 23:42.05 | karsten | Miles_Prower: It's SFW. |
| 23:42.21 | karsten | My favorite LWN/Debian comment evar: "The Debian developers raised the obvious, predictable objection to the inclusion of this utility: the associated images were covered by a non-free license." |
| 23:42.31 | Miles_Prower | karsten: I mean porn |
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| 23:42.43 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Ah. |
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| 23:42.47 | N17AS | i think i have to wait for another release then. |
| 23:43.03 | n3kl | err: hot-babe is not a valid package |
| 23:43.15 | mfrisch | !pornview |
| 23:43.15 | dpkg | pornview is, like, an awesome porn viewer!, or good for non-porno image libraries. Just ignore the icon. |
| 23:43.24 | karsten | n3kl: No, it was present for a while though. |
| 23:43.37 | n3kl | haha |
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| 23:44.31 | Miles_Prower | I agree with that site. |
| 23:44.50 | Miles_Prower | a free distro shouldn't have a political bent. |
| 23:45.21 | {Nathan} | I installed the pcmcia-cs package, but I need to tell it to use the pd6729 driver instead of whichever one it is using now. How would I do this? |
| 23:45.35 | Miles_Prower | It shouldn't have standards for things that vary across the globe. in some countries, hot nudes are not offensive. in others they are. who knows, in some country bash could be offensive. should they drop bash? |
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| 23:46.09 | mo1991 | what is the vmware product I need to run a windows virtual machine within my debian system? |
| 23:46.10 | laptop-nn | hi |
| 23:46.15 | mo1991 | vmware server? |
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| 23:46.36 | mfrisch | mo1991: there is qemu xen |
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| 23:48.09 | mo1991 | frisch waht is that |
| 23:48.10 | mo1991 | ? |
| 23:49.24 | mfrisch | mo1991: they are emulators try qemu first. It is easy to setup..there is qemulauncher to help to. There is a kernel module to speed up qemu. |
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| 23:50.19 | mo1991 | you can run window within linux with this program? |
| 23:50.19 | mfrisch | mo1991: yes |
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| 23:50.20 | mo1991 | it emulates another boot up correct? |
| 23:50.25 | jetscreamer | woohoo! Failed to fetch ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 23:50.32 | mfrisch | in a window or fullsized. |
| 23:50.41 | mo1991 | does it work as well as vmware? I want to run programs like autocad |
| 23:50.50 | mo1991 | I think vmware did tis |
| 23:50.51 | stew | jetscreamer: mirrors.kernel.org has been quite often screwed up lately |
| 23:50.52 | mo1991 | this |
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| 23:51.28 | jetscreamer | stew: it just was 'not found' now, and 'now' it's d/l'ing it, successfully... very temporary. |
| 23:51.49 | jetscreamer | linux-kbuild-2.6.20 does not appear to be available |
| 23:51.49 | stew | jetscreamer: they had a bad mirror sync yesterday as well, some packages are missing |
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| 23:51.51 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 23:51.56 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:52.14 | mfrisch | mo1991: don't know but it is a free replacement. The kernel module is supposed to speed things up (never used it) and once it is installed (which takes awhile) it loads ok without it |
| 23:52.25 | stew | and whenever http.us.d.o goes bad, its usually mirros.k.o thats screwing up |
| 23:52.43 | stew | when its working its fast as hell of course |
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| 23:54.08 | bamnet | I've got a machine with a bunch of things installed on it I don't want (Tomcast, J2SDK, etc).. is there a way to remove everything that didn't come with the fresh install or an effective way to clean the system? (I only have shell access) |
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| 23:55.25 | jetscreamer | a package manager |
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| 23:55.45 | karsten | bamnet: aptitude (remove|purge) <package list> |
| 23:55.48 | jetscreamer | one that lets you dselect entire groups, tags, whatever |
| 23:56.00 | jetscreamer | sections |
| 23:56.03 | bamnet | how can i generate the list of things to remove? |
| 23:56.09 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 23:56.10 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 23:56.14 | jetscreamer | the second one |
| 23:56.16 | karsten | bamnet: dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:56.19 | rahul | jetscreamer: aptitude has tasks at the bottom |
| 23:56.25 | karsten | bamnet: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 23:56.59 | jetscreamer | rahul: i did --with-depends --with-recommends when aptitude first appeared in sid. i never touch aptitude now. |
| 23:57.14 | karsten | bamnet: Select what you want to remove. If you want to go back to base, remove anything that's not "Essential". |
| 23:57.29 | n3kl | What do I need to do to use my serial port? |
| 23:57.39 | jetscreamer | use it to do what might help |
| 23:57.43 | minus | Wrong channel, i know.. but.. Sabayon miniedition.. Is that installable? |
| 23:57.50 | karsten | n3kl: Milk. |
| 23:57.52 | bamnet | Now I think i see |
| 23:57.57 | bamnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.00 | karsten | n3kl: What do you plan on using it for? |
| 23:58.29 | n3kl | karsten: connecting to a cisco router. I think I have the minicom setup correctly, 9600 baud, but nothing is showing up. |
| 23:58.49 | karsten | n3kl: Try the other port. Find out if you need a crossover cable. |
| 23:59.18 | karsten | n3kl: Either physical (eg: move the cable) or specification (specify /dev/ttyS1 rather than ttyS0). |
| 23:59.25 | karsten | n3kl: minicom should do the talking. |
| 23:59.40 | karsten | n3kl: Check your cisco manual for appropriate baude rate. |
| 23:59.49 | mandingo | aptitude sucks |
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