| 00:00.21 | stoned | Kev man thats holy moly |
| 00:00.25 | stoned | what happens when you move windows around? |
| 00:00.31 | stoned | they are still screwed up looking? |
| 00:00.40 | Kevin` | I think it's only iceweasel so far that's screwed up |
| 00:00.49 | Kevin` | but it stays messed up and keeps messing up |
| 00:00.50 | abrotman | Kevin`: which driver ? vesa or chips ? |
| 00:00.54 | Kevin` | chips |
| 00:01.05 | Kevin` | but, this is a screenshot.. it should be affected by driver should it? |
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| 00:01.28 | \amethyst | Kevin`: probably icewease is stuck in a loop and not repainting |
| 00:01.38 | Kevin` | oh it repaints |
| 00:01.42 | garo | Can someone give me a estimate of how long locale-gen takes on a pentium 3 with "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 00:01.46 | Kevin` | it just paints in the wrong places |
| 00:02.11 | stoned | garo, 866mhz p3, 128mb ram, using gnome full, about 1-2 minutes |
| 00:02.25 | garo | k, thanks |
| 00:02.26 | stoned | less even |
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| 00:03.02 | abrotman | Kevin`: yes .. it can be a driver issue |
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| 00:03.32 | ice799 | Hi - my .xsession does not seem to be loaded or executed when I startx. I use gdm - I'm not sure if it due to gdm or if there is some other reason my .xsession does not get loaded. Does anyone have any advice ? |
| 00:03.35 | garo | it took 15 minutes here on 500mhz |
| 00:03.41 | Kevin` | and it's also at 640x480 instead of 1024x for some reason |
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| 00:03.55 | abrotman | garo: that doesn't seem right |
| 00:04.07 | abrotman | Kevin`: try using it at 16bit instead of 24bit |
| 00:04.11 | garo | (but i was running 2 virtual systems with xen) |
| 00:04.13 | Kevin` | ok |
| 00:04.13 | stoned | garo depends on what on the system already, if the cpu is doing other stuff or other bg stuff running |
| 00:04.30 | garo | altough none of the systems were doing anything major |
| 00:05.02 | \amethyst | Also on how many packages you have installed |
| 00:05.58 | Kevin` | loading firefox... |
| 00:06.27 | Kevin` | it's still kinda messed up |
| 00:06.36 | Kevin` | running at 800x600 I think now though |
| 00:06.49 | respider | hi, my terminal is taking forever to open when the internet gets slow.. when internet returns to normality, the terminal open... anyone know what can this be? |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | Kevin`: that card is pretty old ... |
| 00:08.10 | Ronin | respider: what terminal? |
| 00:08.25 | Kevin` | abrotman it worked in windows =p |
| 00:08.26 | respider | Ronin gnome-terminal, aterm, xterm, etc |
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| 00:10.40 | concept10 | im reading the story of X11 on debian wiki and its the most confusing and twisting story every known to man. |
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| 00:12.27 | garo | How can I get a process in a shell if its not running in a shell ? (I know the PID) |
| 00:12.42 | RichiH | garo: 'get'? |
| 00:12.47 | pythonic | lintian says maintainer-shell-script-fails-syntax-check postinst but bash -n postinst succeeds |
| 00:12.53 | ice799 | Hi - for some reason neither my .xsession nor .Xclients files are executed when I log into X. I am using xorg and gdm. Has anyone ever run into this problem before? |
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| 00:14.11 | garo | it's a program that forks when I start it and let's the original process die |
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| 00:14.26 | garo | so the new process is no longer in a shell |
| 00:14.30 | Kevin` | ok it seems to be working now, I removed the "videoram" option from the config, might have been set wrong |
| 00:14.32 | garo | but i want it in a shell |
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| 00:14.42 | Kevin` | so, how do I get it to run at 1024x768 |
| 00:14.46 | Kevin` | it's at 800x600 |
| 00:15.00 | garo | ( btw, it is "hts" from "httptunnel" ) |
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| 00:17.34 | abrotman_ | Kevin`: try 8bit |
| 00:17.46 | Kevin` | 8bit? :( |
| 00:17.56 | Kevin` | but then I don't have purty colors :( |
| 00:18.07 | Ciantic | My "locale -a" shows only two, C and POSIX, but I'd surely like to have more locales. Is there package that I can get? |
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| 00:18.24 | abrotman_ | Kevin`: you get 256 colors :) |
| 00:18.30 | Munchkinguy | Does Debian support USB tv cards? |
| 00:18.32 | \amethyst | garo: run it with -w |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman_ | Ciantic: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:18.45 | Ciantic | abrotman_, I ran that, it said you don't have locales |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman_ | Ciantic: which version of debian ? |
| 00:19.30 | Ciantic | abrotman_, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed |
| 00:19.36 | Ciantic | abrotman_, umm, not sure |
| 00:19.44 | abrotman_ | Ciantic: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:19.52 | garo | \amethyst: hts doesn't have a -w option |
| 00:20.13 | Ciantic | abrotman_, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:20.24 | \amethyst | garo: --no-daemon? it does here |
| 00:20.58 | Kevin` | it works but it's 258 colors :( |
| 00:20.58 | Kevin` | 256 |
| 00:20.58 | abrotman_ | i guess you have a choice to make :) |
| 00:20.59 | garo | hts -V |
| 00:20.59 | garo | hts (httptunnel) 3.3 |
| 00:20.59 | Ciantic | abrotman_, what choice? |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman_ | Ciantic: aptitude install locales |
| 00:21.20 | \amethyst | garo: what does dpkg -l httptunnel say? |
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| 00:21.36 | garo | ii httptunnel 3.3-3 Tunnels a data stream in HTTP requests |
| 00:23.00 | garo | it's the one from etch |
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| 00:23.03 | \amethyst | garo: I have exactly the same version and it hts --help lists a -w, --no-daemon option |
| 00:23.07 | \amethyst | garo: it's not in the man page |
| 00:23.28 | garo | hm, idd, --help knows -w |
| 00:23.30 | garo | strange |
| 00:23.41 | abrotman_ | Kevin`: or you can get a real video card :) |
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| 00:24.00 | Kevin` | abrotman_ it's a laptop |
| 00:24.16 | Kevin` | iceweasel is slowish, what's a faster web browser :) |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman_ | Kevin`: soldering iron! |
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| 00:24.32 | abrotman_ | Kevin`: just about any browser would be faster ) |
| 00:24.33 | intruder | Kevin`: konqueror |
| 00:24.33 | abrotman_ | :) |
| 00:24.40 | Ciantic | abrotman_, thanks |
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| 00:24.53 | abrotman_ | konqueror is only faster if you run kde |
| 00:24.56 | \amethyst | Kevin`: Epiphany |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman_ | erm .. for the first start :) |
| 00:25.05 | quarkhead | where to get help about network issues? |
| 00:25.10 | mina_linux_Tux | hey ppl i want to make an image CD from my installed system , is there a way to do that |
| 00:25.12 | \amethyst | Kevin`: elinks |
| 00:25.15 | quarkhead | channel? |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman_ | what kind of network issues ? |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman_ | dillo ? |
| 00:25.25 | Ciantic | seems like generating locales is not easy deal |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman_ | quarkhead: what kind of network issue ? |
| 00:26.15 | mina_linux_Tux | any comment ? |
| 00:26.33 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: systemimage or something like that |
| 00:26.33 | quarkhead | i used to be able to open my web sites hosted on debian machine form my xp machine, suddenly it stoped working |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | quarkhead: does it work on other machines ? |
| 00:27.02 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: can i make CD from it ? is there a guide ? |
| 00:27.17 | quarkhead | u check: radio.servebbs.org |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | you tell me .. i'm not going there |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: to boot ? |
| 00:27.44 | quarkhead | ok |
| 00:27.51 | Kevin` | how do I install flash for firefox (and whatever else) |
| 00:28.07 | quarkhead | i can not check from other machines |
| 00:28.09 | abrotman | Kevin`: apt-cache search flash |
| 00:28.12 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: a CD to install the image on another number of machines |
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| 00:28.45 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 00:28.51 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 00:28.59 | quarkhead | i only got two, the debian server and the xp machine |
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| 00:30.05 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: i need an installation one |
| 00:30.27 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: apt-cache search image .. or soemthing like that |
| 00:30.31 | Ciantic | Why exactly locales are generated and not just copied from somewhere? |
| 00:31.10 | infernix | i'm succesfully running flash player 9 with nspluginwrapper on Etch amd64, but I have no audio. lib32-asound is installed. any ideas? |
| 00:31.11 | cafuego | costs more space |
| 00:31.20 | abrotman | aoss ? |
| 00:31.21 | infernix | audio with vlc plugin in firefox is just fine |
| 00:31.23 | crazy_penguin | 'night |
| 00:31.24 | cafuego | ... and not everyone has high speed internet |
| 00:31.31 | infernix | flash 9 is alsa, is it not? |
| 00:31.35 | Ciantic | really? I just generated "all locales" hopefully my harddrive handles :p |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | infernix: isn't nsplugwrapper totally flaky ? |
| 00:32.27 | infernix | abrotman: it should work. enough people have it running based on what i find on google |
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| 00:38.01 | krnl`- | hi |
| 00:38.04 | krnl`- | i have a program that is broken. sometimes it quit with segmentation fault. can i log the error somewhere, why kernel stops running that program? (no memory etc?) |
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| 00:39.20 | abrotman | krnl`-: what's the actual error ? |
| 00:39.25 | Madsy^ | You can run it in a debugger. |
| 00:39.37 | Madsy^ | gdb for instance |
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| 00:39.41 | quarkhead | abrotman: i got some one to check one of the sites from out side, it does not work from there either, apache2 is running and when i type the servers local ip in the browser in xp get apaches2 default message: It works |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | quarkhead: does DNS lookup work ? |
| 00:40.16 | krnl`- | abrotman, itis tometime st98_badalloc exception. |
| 00:40.24 | Madsy^ | krnl`-: But I doubt it would be very useful to you. And less without debugging info. |
| 00:40.25 | krnl`- | Madsy^, it says the same badalloc |
| 00:40.43 | quarkhead | i use ddclient with dyndns, how do i check? |
| 00:40.43 | krnl`- | i use gdb but doesnt give enough info for 98bad_alloc |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | strace ? |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | quarkhead: nslookup ? |
| 00:40.57 | quarkhead | ok |
| 00:41.05 | krnl`- | illtry thnx |
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| 00:41.42 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: may you please tell me if i can use this http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Docs/Using_Reconstructor |
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| 00:42.16 | \amethyst | krnl`-: What info do you need that it doesn't give? |
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| 00:42.32 | quarkhead | i get: > , and notting more, when i press enter i also get : > |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: i have no idea .. i've never seen that application |
| 00:42.45 | krnl`- | i need to know which memory is it out of. shared, res or which? |
| 00:43.19 | quarkhead | so i guess something is wrong there yes, how do i resolve it? |
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| 00:43.41 | abrotman | Name: radio.servebbs.org |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | Address: 84.236.149.25 |
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| 00:45.14 | hugle | Hello everyone! I have purchased Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 2.33GHz CPU (quad core). Almost everything works well. I can see 4 CPUs with top. What the PC does it is a shaping machine which serves around 150mbit link and does per IP shaping. At peak times CPU#0 and CPU#1 are 50% idle, but CPU#2 and CPU#3 aren't in use. If I try to run ./some_script they are being used (all 4CPU's are working). What I could be doing wrong ? Maybe I have missed something ? I'm runni |
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| 00:45.41 | hugle | Was googling a lot, but didn't found any useful information on this issue |
| 00:46.25 | quarkhead | server cannot find name: :NXDOMAIN |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | hugle: try compiling a kernel with -j5 |
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| 00:48.40 | hugle | abrotman: where I should put this option ? |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | hugle: do you know how to compile a kernel ? |
| 00:49.25 | hugle | I'm editing .config file, then make; make install. So i suppose make -j5 ? |
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| 00:50.02 | abrotman | or make -j10 |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | that's the number of compilation threads .. do NOT just use -j |
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| 00:51.44 | hugle | abrotman: thank you, I think make clean is needed before this |
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| 00:51.59 | abrotman | hugle: yes .. very much so |
| 00:52.00 | quarkhead | abrotman: whatever i type i get my routers ip twice ( second with #54 after it ) and server cannot find name: whatever :NXDOMAIN |
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| 00:57.08 | solar_sea | Is there a way, while running X as root, to run another process *not* as root and that process to be able to use the display ? |
| 00:57.43 | randomity | solar_sea: xhost + |
| 00:57.47 | randomity | I think |
| 00:57.50 | randomity | xhost anyway |
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| 00:57.58 | spldart | is there a way, after installing your system and uninstalling stuff you didn't need or want... all with apt... to clean up all those files that were installed to meet depencies that are no longer necessary? |
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| 00:58.11 | solar_sea | randomity, i see, thanks |
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| 00:58.18 | spldart | s/dependencies |
| 00:59.01 | Ronin | running x as root? |
| 00:59.21 | solar_sea | while being logged as root |
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| 01:01.15 | solar_sea | How can I get a get a package from unstable ? |
| 01:01.45 | me_here | apt-get -t unstable <package> |
| 01:01.49 | stoned | what |
| 01:01.50 | stoned | no |
| 01:01.53 | stoned | don't do that |
| 01:02.00 | me_here | apt-get -t sid <package> |
| 01:02.02 | stoned | me_here please do not suggest mixing packages |
| 01:02.04 | hugle | abrotman: kernel compiles almost 5 times faster with -j5 :) |
| 01:02.05 | stoned | !backport |
| 01:02.06 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports. |
| 01:02.10 | stoned | !simple sid backport |
| 01:02.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 01:02.14 | stoned | read those |
| 01:02.23 | stoned | don't mix/match packages from unstable with stable/testing |
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| 01:02.35 | stoned | well testing might not be too off depending on what package it is |
| 01:02.40 | solar_sea | So .. that I compile it against the libs in testing |
| 01:02.45 | solar_sea | and not the ones in unstable ? |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | hugle: right .. but did it use the other CPUs ? |
| 01:02.48 | me_here | stoned: i was just answering his question, it's his duty to make his/it's decision beforehand |
| 01:03.02 | hugle | abrotman, will know in 3 minutes, editing lilo :) |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | me_here: that's a horrible thing to do |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | hugle: eh .. ok |
| 01:03.12 | stoned | me_here, and what happens if he doesn't know. Don't just answer a question blindly, please. |
| 01:03.19 | stoned | I agree with abrotman |
| 01:03.26 | me_here | stoned: i was not telling him please do mix your packages with unstable and what not .... |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | yes you did |
| 01:03.34 | stoned | yes you were. |
| 01:04.33 | me_here | stoned: your mileage may vary .... |
| 01:04.45 | stoned | just admit your mistake and move on |
| 01:04.51 | stoned | no need to argue |
| 01:04.53 | stoned | :) |
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| 01:05.22 | me_here | stoned: i don't have to admit any mistake since i'm neither an admin nor an op in here |
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| 01:05.43 | stoned | me_here, then please don't help people in here if you wish to continue with this attitude. |
| 01:06.10 | me_here | stoned: i try not to.... very hard .....though sometimes .... you know ..... |
| 01:06.16 | pickcoder | me_here: you never install packages directly from another version when you can get the source and build it correctly |
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| 01:06.23 | stoned | As tech support for debian our responsibility isn't to just blindly answer questions, it is to properly help and support users. |
| 01:06.41 | pickcoder | that's mainly why there's a backports repositoty |
| 01:06.45 | pickcoder | ~repository |
| 01:06.57 | me_here | since i never used packborts |
| 01:07.06 | me_here | err backports |
| 01:07.07 | bzed | solar_sea: if you're runnign testing, using stuff from unstable is not a big problem, chances that you end with a problem are just a bit higher. what you may NOT do is to mix etch with sid/unstable. you need to backport then |
| 01:07.11 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 01:07.34 | me_here | why backport ? |
| 01:07.50 | bzed | me_here: becuase unstable ships a new libc6 for example |
| 01:07.52 | stoned | is there a why backport factoid? |
| 01:07.52 | pickcoder | me_here: there may be different libc releases |
| 01:07.53 | stoned | lol |
| 01:07.53 | solar_sea | I'll try to backport it anyway :) |
| 01:08.05 | stoned | should write one if not |
| 01:08.27 | bzed | solar_sea: which package do you need? |
| 01:08.35 | solar_sea | wine |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | !mixing |
| 01:08.47 | bzed | ouch :D |
| 01:08.50 | abrotman | bah .. it's there somewhere |
| 01:08.56 | stoned | !listkeys mixing |
| 01:08.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mixing' by key (9): _default mixing distros ;; mixing distributions ;; #debian mixing distros ;; _default mixing stable and unstable ;; #debian mixing distributions ;; mixing stable and unstable ;; #debian mixing stable and unstable ;; mixing distros ;; _default mixing distributions. |
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| 01:09.37 | hugle | abrotman, with -j5 the same. I'll try -j10 then |
| 01:09.50 | stoned | !mixing stable and unstable |
| 01:09.51 | dpkg | i guess mixing stable and unstable is discussed at http://lists.debian.org:80/debian-devel/2003/01/msg01679.html - talks about pinning etc |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | hugle: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 01:10.21 | pinks | How do I get rsync to exercise sudo rights at the remote source? |
| 01:10.36 | bzed | solar_sea: you could also use packages.debian.org to find and dowbnload the sources, use dpkg-source -x on the .dsc file to extract it, then cd into the directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 01:10.50 | me_here | !seen annikin_skywalker |
| 01:10.50 | dpkg | me_here: i haven't seen 'annikin_skywalker' |
| 01:11.01 | stoned | troll? |
| 01:11.03 | bzed | solar_sea: you wanna do an apt-get build-dep wine, too |
| 01:11.14 | hugle | abrotman: Linux nefarian 2.6.20.6-hugl3 #8 SMP Sun Apr 15 04:02:06 EEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | hugle: same problem with a debian kernel ? |
| 01:11.31 | solar_sea | I see. thank you all :) .I'm currently following the instructions in simple sid backport |
| 01:11.42 | pinks | Supaplex: Got your project done? |
| 01:12.14 | Supaplex | pinks: which one of ... countless? |
| 01:12.16 | hugle | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:12.34 | stoned | abrotman, if you feel good tomorrow, will you be driving or flying? |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | dude .. how far do you think it is ? |
| 01:12.52 | stoned | its about 7-8 hours from PA innit? |
| 01:12.54 | bzed | hugle: do not build your kernel with -j5, chances that the kernel is not ok after that rise, although ti seems to work ok with 2.6 kernels |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | to NYC ? |
| 01:13.12 | pinks | Supaplex: :/ |
| 01:13.23 | bzed | hugle: but the -j5 dont' change anything on the way the kernel works |
| 01:13.26 | stoned | abrotman on my way I passed through PA, and was told nyc is about 8 hours |
| 01:13.36 | stoned | from some gas station |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | stoned: from the other end .. yes |
| 01:13.45 | Supaplex | pinks: I don't recall the ":/" project. |
| 01:13.46 | stoned | I was stoned shitless and just driving, no sense of time |
| 01:13.49 | stoned | I just drove hehehe |
| 01:13.56 | pinks | Supaplex: you had some thoughts about sudo over rsync? I've tried various things in --rsync-path, but no luck:( |
| 01:14.04 | stoned | abrotman so what, 3-4 hours? |
| 01:14.04 | hugle | bzed: The problem is that top shows 4CPU but shaping/rouuting uses only cpu0 and cpu1 , cpu2 and cpu3 are idle.. |
| 01:14.14 | abrotman | 2 hours |
| 01:14.19 | stoned | oh really? cool |
| 01:14.26 | Supaplex | pinks: point it to a shell script. call sudo rsync $* init |
| 01:14.32 | Supaplex | s/init/in it/ |
| 01:14.44 | bzed | hugle: probably the function which are used for shaping can't be parallelized more? |
| 01:14.59 | Supaplex | pinks: why not use an ssh key? |
| 01:15.05 | pinks | Supaplex: but what shell script to make the user exercise sudo? |
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| 01:15.24 | pinks | Supaplex: I'm not expert enough for a lot of this |
| 01:15.28 | pickcoder | picks: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 01:15.32 | pickcoder | pinks |
| 01:15.42 | stoned | pickcoder :) !wayttd |
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| 01:15.48 | bzed | hugle: you could try gcc 4.2 with that new option... just forgot the name yet |
| 01:15.50 | pickcoder | yeah.. I know |
| 01:15.51 | hugle | bzed: Is it possible that simple (non quad-core CPU) like 4x INTEL XEON would work normaly ? |
| 01:16.02 | omg0_ | what is the command you guys use to tell someone here |
| 01:16.03 | stoned | pickcoder I'm a lazy bastidge :D |
| 01:16.03 | bzed | hugle: but I'd not do it |
| 01:16.18 | hugle | bzed: new option = -j5 ? |
| 01:16.23 | bzed | hugle: that's not a question of "normally" or not normally. |
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| 01:16.53 | bzed | hugle: -j5 is an option to make, it's only used for building the kernel, and for breaking the build probably, it doesn;t make any difference to your new kernel. |
| 01:17.00 | omg0_ | like tell omg: upgrade is |
| 01:17.03 | bzed | !tell hugle about make-kpkg |
| 01:17.12 | hugle | bzed: understood |
| 01:17.21 | Supaplex | !tell omg0_ -about self tell |
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| 01:17.37 | omg0_ | thanks |
| 01:17.38 | pickcoder | stoned: it's getting closed to Sunday.. it's better to spell things out |
| 01:17.52 | hugle | bzed: I felt the performance of make , from 3minutes to 40seconds |
| 01:17.57 | pinks | Supaplex: sorry dude - I need a little bit more help than that |
| 01:17.59 | hugle | *of make -j5 |
| 01:18.25 | bzed | hugle: you can't split one thread on more than one processor. seems that shaping uses 2 threads only, so only 2 cores will run. |
| 01:18.46 | Supaplex | pinks: ok, I guess I'll write a mini howto. hold on. |
| 01:18.49 | bzed | hugle: yeah, that's what -j is for, or CONCURRENCY_LEVEL if you use make-kpkg (what you should use on debian, makes life much more easy) |
| 01:18.52 | hugle | bzed: you thing same with routing? seems packets are also routed |
| 01:18.56 | jeff-at-anl | who's a good dedicated host with php5 and mysql 5 preinstalled |
| 01:19.11 | pinks | Supaplex: cheers :D |
| 01:19.20 | bzed | jeff-at-anl: that's not really a debian question |
| 01:19.45 | bzed | hugle: read the kernel source to figure out. for yrouting the cpu shouldn;t do much at all |
| 01:19.56 | pickcoder | bzed: it is if the question is "which hosting company provides Debian with mysql and php" |
| 01:20.00 | pickcoder | heh |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | bzed: he's trying to see if the system is using #3 and #4 |
| 01:20.22 | bzed | !milk pickcoder |
| 01:20.34 | pickcoder | !moo |
| 01:20.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:20.46 | bzed | ROFL |
| 01:21.15 | Supaplex | bzed: I need more photos for my ROFL archive. please upload them and advise. thanks. ;) |
| 01:21.52 | bzed | Supaplex: www.betrunkene-dekorieren.de |
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| 01:22.16 | stoned | you can also milk a cat |
| 01:22.20 | stoned | did you know this? |
| 01:22.27 | stoned | watch "Meet the Parents" |
| 01:22.33 | hugle | bzed, just tried to stop the shaping. since it's night in my country the cpu0 and cpu1 are 96% idle |
| 01:22.43 | hugle | bzed: so seems it is not shaping-depended |
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| 01:23.28 | jeff-at-anl | nope. sure isnt. but i thought this would be a good place for debian hosts |
| 01:23.33 | bzed | pickcoder: it could also be just limited on your cpu :P intels way to build a quadcore is kind of brainfarted. I doubt having a quadcore or dualcore makes a difference for networking |
| 01:23.48 | stoned | its not true quadcore |
| 01:23.52 | bzed | jeff-at-anl: are you in europe? |
| 01:24.02 | pickcoder | bzed: ~hugle |
| 01:24.05 | jeff-at-anl | no sir |
| 01:24.05 | stoned | its double dual core innit? |
| 01:24.08 | jeff-at-anl | or mam |
| 01:24.10 | jeff-at-anl | ;) |
| 01:24.17 | bzed | jeff-at-anl: sir ;) |
| 01:24.27 | stoned | no no bzed lies |
| 01:24.30 | stoned | its ma'am |
| 01:24.34 | stoned | :D /me runs away |
| 01:24.44 | hugle | stoned: cpuinfo shows 4x: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5345 @ 2.33GHz |
| 01:24.52 | bzed | stoned: hmm, it's a quadcore, but 2 cores share one memory controller and bus as far as I remember |
| 01:25.05 | stoned | bzed yessir thats what I meant |
| 01:25.09 | unix_infidel | anyone recommend a half decent rss reader for firefox? |
| 01:25.31 | stoned | unix_infidel, menubar, tools, addons, get more extentions and search |
| 01:25.32 | bzed | unix_infidel: http://sage.mozdev.org/ |
| 01:25.37 | Supaplex | !tell unix_infidel -about search |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | sage ? |
| 01:25.41 | bzed | yes |
| 01:25.54 | bzed | the best rss reader ever, if you want an addon |
| 01:26.15 | unix_infidel | Supaplex: please dont spam my client like that. |
| 01:26.21 | Madsy^ | After a power failure, my Sarge install stopped booting and kicked me into user mode. How do I figure out what my partition name is? I need to mount it as read-only before I run ext3-fsck, right? |
| 01:26.26 | unix_infidel | the rest, thanks :) |
| 01:26.26 | cafuego | Myself, I refer `liferea', which is stand-alone. |
| 01:26.27 | Madsy^ | no user mode* |
| 01:26.38 | bzed | Madsy^: no, you don't mount it |
| 01:26.47 | cafuego | unix_infidel: And though not technically firefox, thunderbird does RSS. |
| 01:27.13 | unix_infidel | cafuego: i guess that's better as i'd rather not weigh down an already hungry fox. |
| 01:27.13 | bzed | Madsy^: it should have told you which partition has the problem |
| 01:27.15 | Supaplex | unix_infidel: it still applies to your request. |
| 01:27.17 | unix_infidel | no matter how much fire it has. |
| 01:27.23 | unix_infidel | Supaplex: no, no it certainly does NOT. |
| 01:27.24 | hugle | bzed, stoned you guys think it's just CPU issue ? right ? |
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| 01:27.57 | bzed | hugle: i'd not say that this is an issue at all |
| 01:28.00 | Madsy^ | bzed: I better reboot and see. |
| 01:28.02 | stoned | I can't say |
| 01:28.37 | pickcoder | unix_infidel: it shouldn't mount the partition if it has problems that need to be fixed by user interaction |
| 01:28.49 | bzed | hugle: I could not imagine how you could tell the shaping stuff to use 4 threads |
| 01:28.53 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 01:28.54 | pickcoder | you also can not run a fschk on a partition if it's mounted |
| 01:28.59 | cafuego | Time to get that new HDD. |
| 01:29.06 | cafuego | pickcoder: Yes, you can. |
| 01:29.21 | cafuego | pickcoder: You'll destroy it completely, but you *can* run it ;-) |
| 01:29.26 | hugle | bzed: I turned of the shaper, now packets are only passing the machine , still only two CPUs in use |
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| 01:29.37 | bzed | hugle: aargh! |
| 01:30.01 | hugle | ;) |
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| 01:30.06 | bzed | hugle: tell me what the hell you want to change in the kernel to handle packets with more than 2 threads? |
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| 01:30.12 | abrotman | is it two HT CPUs ? |
| 01:30.38 | GhostlyDeath | I took the antennas off my Wireless Router, think I can still connect to it? |
| 01:30.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:30.48 | cafuego | hugle: using multiple cores for handle those packets will result in extremely bad performance degradation. |
| 01:30.52 | GhostlyDeath | How far away? |
| 01:31.03 | hugle | abrotman: it's quad core, not hyperthreating |
| 01:31.03 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: wireless-G? |
| 01:31.06 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: yeah |
| 01:31.12 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: you can, but those things should not be good for the router on the long run |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:31.16 | GhostlyDeath | WRT54G |
| 01:31.21 | pickcoder | I dunno.. depends on the power level on the router |
| 01:31.29 | pickcoder | not far |
| 01:31.30 | bzed | hugle: one thread handles the incoming stuff, onte the outgoing stuff... |
| 01:31.50 | GhostlyDeath | replacing it with High Gain (7 Decibals) |
| 01:32.01 | pickcoder | how far are you from it |
| 01:32.01 | js_ | whats a good name for a machine that acts as a web server for maintenance purposes? |
| 01:32.02 | cafuego | hugle: The cores each have their own cache, if you use more cores to rouite traffic, it'll have to start shifting cache data around, making for a horrible (slow) mess. |
| 01:32.02 | bzed | hugle: I think you want to learn about parallel programming and then try to change the kernel in a way that it uses more than 2 cores. |
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| 01:32.33 | cafuego | hugle: Let me find you apresentation from linux.conf.au that attempts to explain. |
| 01:32.37 | GhostlyDeath | about 5-9 yards |
| 01:32.48 | hugle | cafuego, would be nice |
| 01:32.49 | pickcoder | don't those have dual antennas |
| 01:33.00 | GhostlyDeath | They have no antennas |
| 01:33.02 | cafuego | hugle: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/41 |
| 01:33.02 | GhostlyDeath | I took em off |
| 01:33.22 | cafuego | hugle: Specifically check the part about how Linux handles buckets internally. |
| 01:33.29 | hugle | next time I'll just take DUAL XEAON 3.2 GHZ :) |
| 01:33.33 | quarkhead | where can i get help about dns, dmz & network |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: how is this related to debian ? |
| 01:33.44 | GhostlyDeath | I use Debian to connect to it |
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| 01:33.52 | cafuego | hugle: What is the box doing with the packates? Just routing? |
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| 01:34.05 | bzed | hugle: no |
| 01:34.05 | cafuego | pickcoder: Yes, wrt54g's have dual antennas. |
| 01:34.13 | bzed | hugle: you'll take opterons |
| 01:34.15 | pickcoder | it should work with one |
| 01:34.20 | pickcoder | if diversity works on it |
| 01:34.21 | cafuego | yup |
| 01:34.24 | bzed | hugle: they're much better suited for networking stuff |
| 01:34.26 | hugle | cafuego: it's routing and doing shaping |
| 01:34.29 | pickcoder | so you can keep a link going while you switch |
| 01:34.50 | cafuego | hugle: Using a userspace shaper or the tc in-kernel stuff? |
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| 01:35.22 | hugle | cafuego: just a list of tc commands |
| 01:35.33 | hugle | cafuego: around 30k rules |
| 01:35.43 | cafuego | 30,000 rules? |
| 01:35.54 | MarcoPau | hello, I have difficulties in enabling port forwarding in order to "share" my two ethernet cards as if I had a switch... can anybody give me a hint? |
| 01:35.56 | cafuego | No wonder it's slow |
| 01:36.55 | cafuego | hugle: Anyway, enjoy that vido - I didn't see that talk, but got ashorter version last month at my lug :-) |
| 01:37.01 | hugle | cafuego, well 5rules per src IP and 5rules per DST ip, sry, there are less rules :) I have counted *empty* ones |
| 01:37.20 | bzed | hugle: that's... insane |
| 01:37.37 | quarkhead | why do i get the silent treatment? |
| 01:37.49 | cafuego | hugle: I'm sure you don't need to repeat on a per-ip basis, but instead use classes. |
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| 01:38.05 | pickcoder | quarkhead: ask a specific question |
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| 01:38.43 | cafuego | However, don't ask me how <heh> |
| 01:38.51 | dondelelcaro | the lartc has some examples, iirc. |
| 01:39.01 | hugle | bzed, cafuego: but still, the PC uses only 2CPU's. If it's normal behavious for quad-cores then I should just try to optimize my shaper ... |
| 01:39.06 | bzed | cafuego, hugle: as far as I remember you use iptables to mark you packets and then shape them, depending on the mark |
| 01:39.18 | bzed | hugle: scroll up and read again |
| 01:39.33 | bzed | hugle: it makes no goddamn sense to use more than 2 cpus |
| 01:39.34 | hugle | bzed, you don't need to mark them. tc can *catch* them |
| 01:39.37 | quarkhead | well i did, i found dns channel, maybe they can help me |
| 01:39.46 | hugle | bzed : yes, i understood that :) |
| 01:39.47 | cafuego | hugle: using more CPUs for a specific task does *not* mean it'll start to work faster. |
| 01:40.02 | cafuego | hugle: Mind you, it's quite possibly the shaper code hasn't had this optimisation |
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| 01:40.26 | pickcoder | hugle: are you running the amd64 release? |
| 01:40.40 | bzed | hugle: you probably just want to use 2 cheap machines parallel instead of those over-prices intel stuff |
| 01:40.49 | hugle | pickcoder: it's intel, I'm running on 32bit |
| 01:41.00 | pickcoder | most Xeon's are em64t capable |
| 01:41.14 | bzed | the quadcore's are for sure |
| 01:41.16 | cafuego | certainly all quad-core ones are |
| 01:41.19 | pickcoder | and if I'm not mistaken the 64-bit kernel handles process scheduling a little better |
| 01:41.25 | pickcoder | don't quote me on it, though |
| 01:41.28 | pickcoder | ask #kernel |
| 01:41.34 | spikeb | most intel processors, and definitely anything made recently, are 64bit capable |
| 01:41.45 | solar_sea | Does this mean that the amd64 version can run ot intel processors with em64t ? |
| 01:41.52 | cafuego | solar_sea: yes |
| 01:41.52 | pickcoder | !amd64 |
| 01:41.53 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 01:42.06 | bzed | !tell solar_sea about ia64 |
| 01:42.06 | cafuego | solar_sea: em64t == amd64 == x86_64 |
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| 01:42.25 | cafuego | bzed: What does ia64 have to do with anything? |
| 01:42.38 | spikeb | ia64 is different heh |
| 01:42.41 | bzed | cafuego: nothing, but I thought it would sum thatup |
| 01:42.44 | cafuego | Itanic! |
| 01:42.46 | bzed | !ia64 |
| 01:42.46 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
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| 01:44.10 | bzed | cafuego: there was some more general factoid about amd64==emt64!=ia64, not sure where, thought it was the ia64 one |
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| 01:44.34 | solar_sea | I'll stick with the i386 for now. I guess there int's an easy way to change the arch too :) |
| 01:44.37 | cafuego | !listvals x86_64 |
| 01:44.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'x86_64' by value (3): start an architecture war ;; nspluginwrapper ;; start an arch war. |
| 01:45.01 | spikeb | heh |
| 01:45.01 | bzed | solar_sea: you can run a 64bit kernel on it, though |
| 01:45.13 | bzed | !listvals amd64 |
| 01:45.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'amd64' by value (15 of 21): 64bit ;; cmd: archsmite (.*?) ;; debian-amd64 ;; em64t ;; etch 2.6.20 ;; etch 2.6.20.6 ;; flw50 ;; k7 ;; k8 ;; ntfsrw ;; nvidia_homegrown ;; openoffice.org ;; openoffice.org amd64 ;; sarge 2.6.12 ;; sarge 2.6.18. |
| 01:45.27 | solar_sea | Will this result in any performance gain ? |
| 01:45.44 | cafuego | solar_sea: For some tasks. What do you intend to do with the machine? |
| 01:45.46 | pickcoder | solar_sea: not really, unless you are doing a ton of number crunching |
| 01:46.03 | pickcoder | I have it running a web server on a dual-core Xeon |
| 01:46.22 | solar_sea | General usage, browing the web, watching movies, compiling things from time to time |
| 01:46.22 | pickcoder | or if you need more than 4GB of RAM |
| 01:46.32 | cafuego | solar_sea: Then it's not worth it. |
| 01:46.35 | bzed | solar_sea: then I doubt you'll feel a difference |
| 01:46.40 | bzed | you all have a good night :) |
| 01:46.44 | hugle | cafuego: my shaper is here: http://linux.invista.lt/htb-LT.txt . but I think i'll just search lartc archives for optimisation examples |
| 01:46.55 | cafuego | You'll just be annoyed with the lack of things working quite as smoothy as on ia32. |
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| 01:47.18 | bzed | cafuego: ah you can run a normal i386 install with a 64bit kernel ;) |
| 01:47.37 | cafuego | bzed: yep |
| 01:47.52 | cafuego | bzed: or a 32bit chroot under a 64bit install |
| 01:48.02 | bzed | yeah |
| 01:48.02 | cafuego | and/or 32bit and 564bit virtual machines |
| 01:48.13 | bzed | kvm++ :) |
| 01:48.20 | bzed | but |
| 01:48.24 | bzed | time for bed |
| 01:48.41 | pickcoder | fair bit? |
| 01:48.45 | cafuego | Well, until the cpu overheats and th box locks up anyway |
| 01:49.11 | cafuego | pickcoder: 25-50% faster |
| 01:49.25 | pickcoder | not bad |
| 01:49.48 | cafuego | Not, ipod size x264, not 720/1080p |
| 01:49.54 | pickcoder | it probably will still only schedule one of the CPUs on a dual-core |
| 01:50.01 | hugle | Maybe I should try using 64bit kernel. to see if I get performance increase |
| 01:50.18 | cafuego | pickcoder: yes |
| 01:50.26 | cafuego | pickcoder: But my amd64 os so old, it *is* single core |
| 01:51.20 | pickcoder | hugle: you may want to verify the scheduling profiles on amd64 |
| 01:52.59 | hugle | pickcoder, oki |
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| 01:53.36 | undesktop | what's currently going on in Debian unstable? it wants to install dozens of packets and it says that additional 491 megs of diskspace will be used |
| 01:53.51 | centrx | a lot of people are uploading new packages |
| 01:53.58 | centrx | because it was just unfrozen after the release |
| 01:54.00 | pickcoder | cafuego: atleast you have a 64-bit CPU.. I'm still running an Athlon. |
| 01:54.01 | undesktop | sth. with "texlive-" |
| 01:54.02 | asg | undesktop: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 01:54.12 | centrx | texlive is the replacement for tetex |
| 01:54.14 | pinks | Supaplex: Did you think any more about the script to make rsync work as sudo? |
| 01:54.42 | undesktop | and why a replacement? |
| 01:54.58 | undesktop | asg: uh how useless |
| 01:55.12 | asg | undesktop: in what way? |
| 01:56.08 | undesktop | asg: too general |
| 01:56.36 | undesktop | asg: it doesn't tell me why the update at 15.04.07 wants to take up additional 491 megs |
| 01:57.02 | pickcoder | undesktop: paste the offending aptitude log in a pasetbin |
| 01:57.07 | undesktop | anyway, seems to be because of texlive |
| 01:57.23 | asg | undesktop: undesktop the second paragraph explains it all really. |
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| 01:59.24 | nivanson | If I have a loop that will go through many times and change a variable each time would declaring the variable before entering the loop save time or will it be just as fast if I declare it inside the loop each time it iterates? |
| 01:59.35 | nivanson | That is not a debian question oops |
| 02:00.01 | asg | nivanson: it'll always be faster outside the loop |
| 02:00.02 | undesktop | nivanson: most likely it won't matter |
| 02:00.07 | pickcoder | nivanson: that really depends on the language |
| 02:00.10 | undesktop | asg: justification? |
| 02:00.14 | nivanson | java |
| 02:00.25 | undesktop | then it won't matter at all |
| 02:00.29 | nivanson | I'm not sure how memory allocation works |
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| 02:00.48 | asg | undesktop: while a compiler will factor that away, it's always better to err on the side of caution than assume what the compiler will do. |
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| 02:01.44 | undesktop | asg: not really... if you're doing something really performance critical thing, you'll disassemble, profile etc. the compiler output, and else it won't matter anyway |
| 02:02.15 | asg | undesktop: indeed. I'd expect that this is not the case with this question though. |
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| 02:03.30 | pickcoder | nivanson: I haven't written in Java in years, but from what I remember classes are run-time compiled so the tighter your code is the better |
| 02:04.10 | pickcoder | make it private if nothing else needs it |
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| 02:08.31 | pickcoder | nivanson: once the variable has been assigned, a pointer will be assigned to it. changing the value inside a loop doesn't change the pointer |
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| 02:09.49 | pickcoder | that's true for most languages. The main difference there is when you have to manually allocate memory such as with C |
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| 02:10.30 | nivanson | pickcoder, thanks that was really helpful :) |
| 02:10.33 | nivanson | q |
| 02:10.33 | nivanson | ¨ |
| 02:10.46 | undesktop | pickcoder: how is C different from Java here? |
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| 02:11.20 | pickcoder | Java extends a base class of functions, which handle memory allocation for you |
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| 02:11.45 | pickcoder | if I remember correctly |
| 02:11.46 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 02:12.06 | undesktop | oh well it has the new operator and a garbage collector |
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| 02:12.12 | pickcoder | the base classes provide developer friendly input and output stuff too |
| 02:12.29 | Dame | I want to download debian dvd iso. I see three iso files, which one I need? |
| 02:12.37 | pickcoder | 90% of my coding is in Pick these days |
| 02:12.41 | undesktop | anyway anyway... both Java and C can do the both things when variables are declared and used in loops etc... |
| 02:13.12 | \amethyst | nivanson: what language, what type is the variable, and what are you doing to change it? |
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| 02:13.53 | undesktop | pickcoder: and what is Pick? |
| 02:14.05 | plundra | -le? |
| 02:14.08 | pickcoder | www.pickwiki.org |
| 02:14.33 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:14.34 | solar_sea | Dame, the first one should be fine |
| 02:14.36 | \amethyst | pickcoder: NXDOMAIN |
| 02:14.37 | pickcoder | www.pickwiki.com |
| 02:14.43 | pickcoder | they changed the domain |
| 02:15.06 | nivanson | \amethyst, that would be in Java and I would change it from one int to another many many times :) |
| 02:15.07 | solar_sea | I prefer downloading just the netinst image and then downloading only the things I need. |
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| 02:15.19 | Dame | solar_sea, what the other 2 contain? |
| 02:15.42 | Madsy2 | Funky. I can't find fsck. I thought it was a part of the kernel. |
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| 02:16.15 | asg | Madsy2: for which filesystem? |
| 02:16.27 | Madsy2 | ext3 |
| 02:16.38 | solar_sea | Various sofrware, debians contains alot of packages. As I said, if you know exactly what you want, use the netinst. otherwise, try the first dvd, if there's anything else you need, download it with apt-get |
| 02:16.43 | asg | Madsy2: it's in e2fsprogs which you should have |
| 02:17.42 | \amethyst | nivanson: then it's probably better to declare it inside the loop so it can share stack space with local variables scoped inside other loops within the same method |
| 02:17.58 | Dame | solar_sea, thank you for the advice |
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| 02:18.35 | pickcoder | \amethyst: loops have their own stacks?? |
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| 02:19.01 | nosoyyo | http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1 |
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| 02:19.11 | \amethyst | pickcoder: no, but if a single method has while(foo){ int i; } while(bar) { int j; } i and j can share the same stack space |
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| 02:19.36 | \amethyst | pickcoder: since they won't both be in scope at the same time |
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| 02:20.07 | nivanson | \amethyst, It turned out that way :) |
| 02:20.21 | pickcoder | interesting |
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| 02:21.15 | Szeraax | back |
| 02:22.14 | pickcoder | \amethyst: what happens to the value of i after the j loop? |
| 02:22.37 | \amethyst | pickcoder: doesn't matter, you can't refer to them |
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| 02:22.53 | \amethyst | pickcoder: i only has meaning within the first loop |
| 02:22.53 | pickcoder | so they are private variables to the loop |
| 02:23.01 | pickcoder | and therefore the loops have their own stacks |
| 02:23.14 | \amethyst | pickcoder: Their own scopes |
| 02:23.27 | \amethyst | pickcoder: They don't actually get an entire stack frame... all this is handled at compile time |
| 02:23.35 | pickcoder | no.. they reuse the same stack |
| 02:23.46 | pickcoder | so you can't refer to stuff stored there outside of the scope |
| 02:24.14 | pickcoder | like I said.. it's been a few years |
| 02:24.15 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:24.32 | \amethyst | you theoretically could refer to j after the loop (I think) if you write JVM bytecode, but the Java compiler won't let you |
| 02:25.05 | undesktop | "int i, j; while (...) { use only i; } while (...) { use only j; }" <- also will only take on slot on the stack |
| 02:25.10 | undesktop | at least with a good compiler |
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| 02:27.38 | mfrisch | wols_: you use gosa? |
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| 02:30.07 | mfrisch | !anyone gosa |
| 02:30.31 | Szeraax | (what's gosa?) |
| 02:30.48 | mfrisch | Szeraax: a ldap webui |
| 02:30.48 | asg | Szeraax: LDAP web management thingy |
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| 02:30.53 | Szeraax | ah |
| 02:30.54 | Szeraax | thanks |
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| 02:31.37 | mfrisch | I am trying to find out if gosa has the asterisk module in debian |
| 02:32.22 | asg | mfrisch: looking at the dependancies, I'd say not |
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| 02:32.35 | mfrisch | man |
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| 02:32.59 | mfrisch | eerrr |
| 02:34.38 | asg | mfrisch: however, the version in etch is 2.5 and it looks like 2.4 was the release that included asterisk support. Might be worth downloading the package and looking at the changelog to see |
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| 02:35.00 | mfrisch | asg: hhm |
| 02:35.05 | mfrisch | asg: thanks |
| 02:36.25 | Azar | seen this one: "Goodbye etch, hello lenny" ? |
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| 02:36.42 | Azar | abrotman hiccups |
| 02:36.49 | asg | Azar: he's been doing that all day |
| 02:37.03 | Azar | wow abrotman is cooking something |
| 02:37.39 | mfrisch | if it corrects your spelling its abrotman |
| 02:37.58 | Azar | http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=497673827&rid=-219 < NOT from /., abrotman |
| 02:39.16 | asg | mfrisch: if he gives you a beer and a cheesesteak, it's abrotman |
| 02:39.22 | Azar | pssss I know what it happened to abrotman: ops took his voice :) and now he is trying to sneak in |
| 02:39.40 | asg | Azar: no, his ISP is wonky |
| 02:39.48 | Azar | ah... |
| 02:39.50 | mfrisch | asg: anyone can fake that. |
| 02:39.59 | asg | mfrisch: cheesesteak or ISP? |
| 02:40.10 | Azar | my ISP rocks |
| 02:40.14 | mfrisch | cheeesteak |
| 02:40.22 | Azar | four years without one single outage |
| 02:40.41 | markybob | mine was down two days ago for about six hours. gotta love it |
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| 02:42.55 | Azar | 1. they let me use my boxes as server anytime ... 2. four individual dedicated IP addresses 3. sexy customer service who never say NO |
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| 02:45.16 | mfrisch | Azar: mine sucks. |
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| 02:46.13 | mfrisch | Azar: they keep dropping the service speed and raising the prices. |
| 02:46.22 | liable | change |
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| 02:47.06 | mfrisch | not to many ISP around here. |
| 02:47.21 | liable | now i can eat! |
| 02:47.27 | Azar | mfrisch: how much you pay, monthly? |
| 02:47.55 | mfrisch | Azar: because my deal ran out...42 for 768kbps cable. |
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| 02:48.32 | Azar | ew cable... I pay $75.00 for a small soho package, but it is worth every penny |
| 02:48.42 | Azar | adsl |
| 02:48.45 | liable | you wanna live in .au, i pay $49 for 1.5mbit :( |
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| 02:49.35 | mfrisch | Azar: they have a buisiness package. |
| 02:49.41 | Azar | I did not jumped on a higher price for a speedier connection because... I really don't need the speed |
| 02:50.01 | Azar | mfrisch: they have several business packages, on the customer needs |
| 02:50.29 | Azar | I could have payed only $65.00 but I pay $10.00 extra for extra IP addresses... |
| 02:50.45 | mfrisch | Azar: yeah they will give you nothing for a lot ( at least this cable company) |
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| 02:51.33 | Azar | http://www.covad.com/ < my isp |
| 02:52.04 | kakalto | I've just rebuilt my kernel, when I try to boot into this new one, I get 'unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)'. in compiling this kernel, it didn't create an initrd image. Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 02:52.15 | mfrisch | Azar: what is there service area |
| 02:52.24 | markybob | kakalto: you didnt compile in the right modules that you needed |
| 02:52.25 | asg | kakalto: you didn't compile support for your root filesystem in? |
| 02:52.39 | ooglaboogla | how do i enable bootsplash in debian 4.0, i found a tutorial on debblue site but my .config is not the same as the one they are referring to. |
| 02:52.44 | Azar | heck I live in california, but I assume they cover a wider area earthlink feed off of them |
| 02:52.46 | asg | kakalto: if you aren't using an initrd, they need to be compiled in, not as modules. |
| 02:53.04 | kakalto | asg: how do I create an initrd image? |
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| 02:53.31 | liable | yuck , dont make an initrd if you compile a kernel |
| 02:53.33 | markybob | if you have to ask...use a stock kernel |
| 02:53.36 | kakalto | I just used make-kpkg kernel-image modules-image basically |
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| 02:53.52 | GhostlyDeath | err, What do I do if I have no / space left? |
| 02:53.59 | asg | kakalto: use a --initrd option to make-kpkg |
| 02:54.02 | kakalto | well I've tried compiling ext3 driver, my SATA & IDE drivers into the kernel, and I still can't boot |
| 02:54.06 | asg | GhostlyDeath: delete stuff |
| 02:54.08 | mfrisch | Azar: here there are ATT variants (cincinnati bell verizon and time warner) |
| 02:54.12 | GhostlyDeath | I had ~10GiB free and now............. it all went poof |
| 02:54.22 | liable | GhostlyDeath: clean your apt cache for a start, check for huge logs and remove |
| 02:54.29 | kakalto | markybob: I'm trying to do things 'the debian way'. |
| 02:54.41 | asg | GhostlyDeath: do you have a single '/' for everything or do you have multiple partitions? |
| 02:54.44 | markybob | kakalto: ...so use the debian kernel |
| 02:54.44 | kakalto | asg: thanks, will do that.. |
| 02:54.52 | GhostlyDeath | asg: multiple |
| 02:55.02 | asg | GhostlyDeath: which non-root ones do you have? |
| 02:55.06 | GhostlyDeath | there's just /home |
| 02:55.20 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then look at /var and /tmp |
| 02:55.21 | GhostlyDeath | I'm getting the size of everything but /home |
| 02:55.35 | Azar | mfrisch: http://www.covad.com/services/dsl/index.html < click on check availability, and check the packages |
| 02:55.37 | GhostlyDeath | (some contents unreadable)" |
| 02:55.44 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 02:55.47 | kakalto | markybob: I've been messing around trying to get new nvidia drivers running on etch, and simply running the nvidia installer was screwy... I'm trying another method. Plus I like to mess around. |
| 02:55.57 | GhostlyDeath | /var "19978 items, totalling 497.1 MB (some contents unreadable)" |
| 02:56.08 | Azar | mfrisch: here the cable does not allow customers to have their own servers at home... |
| 02:56.11 | asg | GhostlyDeath: what command generated that output? |
| 02:56.20 | GhostlyDeath | Nautilus |
| 02:56.29 | ooglaboogla | can anyone help me with setting up bootsplash |
| 02:56.30 | markybob | kakalto: there an nvidia one-liner. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner ...takes about 35 seconds instead of however long you're taking with that kernel of yours |
| 02:56.33 | asg | GhostlyDeath: open up a gnome-terminal, type 'df -h' |
| 02:57.00 | GhostlyDeath | "/dev/sda3 21G 21G 0 100% /" |
| 02:57.13 | mfrisch | Azar: they block 25 but can't/won't stop anything else. |
| 02:57.32 | asg | GhostlyDeath: and 'du -h /var'? (might take a while though) |
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| 02:57.51 | asg | GhostlyDeath: sorry, du -hs /var |
| 02:58.23 | asg | GhostlyDeath: also, what does this machine do for a living? |
| 02:58.34 | kakalto | markybob: thanks for that.... but I'm still going to be stubborn and try my way :P |
| 02:58.43 | mfrisch | Azar: We're sorry. |
| 02:58.43 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.41 | Azar | mfrisch: I do remember back when I was trying to install postfix and create a mailserver for myself, they did helped me and realeased port 25 at my request. |
| 02:59.48 | GhostlyDeath | asg: long list |
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| 02:59.59 | nn-laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.00 | mfrisch | Azar: cool. |
| 03:00.01 | GhostlyDeath | asg: Laptop (Desktop) |
| 03:00.08 | Azar | mfrisch: too bad is not serving your area |
| 03:00.14 | numist | !worked in 2.4 |
| 03:00.14 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 03:00.17 | numist | \o/ |
| 03:00.43 | Azar | haha, greycat makes some serious money there |
| 03:01.07 | numist | he used to, back during the switch |
| 03:01.13 | kakalto | "donations to greycat doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4" |
| 03:01.15 | numist | most everything works with 2.6 out of the box these das |
| 03:01.17 | numist | days* |
| 03:01.21 | liable | nn-laptop: adding noatime to fstab should help |
| 03:01.23 | asg | GhostlyDeath: well, run 'du -hs <dir>' in /var, /tmp and others and find what is using that 10G. It might be worth first seeing if /var/log/* has very large files as well as /tmp |
| 03:01.25 | Madsy2 | asg: Heh, my problem was a little more serious than expected :) |
| 03:01.27 | Madsy2 | http://rafb.net/p/TwuedD99.html |
| 03:01.38 | Madsy2 | I don't even have a file system anymore. |
| 03:01.44 | jetscreamer | logs? |
| 03:01.56 | Azar | there are still folks out there running sarge with a 2.4.27 kernel and wanting to dist-upgrade to etch.. |
| 03:02.15 | asg | Azar: yes but I haven't finished my upgrade plan for those machines |
| 03:02.21 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
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| 03:02.37 | Azar | asg and you are still running with a 2.4.27 kernel? |
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| 03:02.40 | GhostlyDeath | It finished sizing all the files and "353818 items, totalling 9.1 GB (some contents unreadable)" |
| 03:02.43 | asg | Azar: sure |
| 03:02.55 | thirst | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.03 | Azar | wow, I dropped it the minute I upgraded to Sarge |
| 03:03.09 | asg | Madsy2: that's an ubuntu kernel by the looks of it based on the busybox version. Do they have any insight? |
| 03:03.27 | SaintN | Etch released? Is that an old topic from april fools day? |
| 03:03.28 | mfrisch | asg: they sent him here |
| 03:03.42 | GhostlyDeath | /tmp has 3.6MB |
| 03:03.45 | asg | mfrisch: wonderful |
| 03:03.49 | Azar | SaintN: was released on Easter day.. |
| 03:03.50 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then it isn't /tmp |
| 03:03.59 | SaintN | sweeet |
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| 03:04.12 | asg | Azar: sarge in vmware has nasty clock skew with 2.6.x kernels, so 2.4.27 kernels are preferred. |
| 03:04.27 | Madsy2 | asg: Yeah, I mixed up what distros which box here runs. Sorry about that. |
| 03:04.32 | Azar | asg, ah,.. never used vmware |
| 03:04.40 | GhostlyDeath | /var is "20131 items, totalling 12.5 GB" |
| 03:04.55 | asg | Azar: we have a number of virtuals running on it |
| 03:05.01 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then try du -hs /var/log |
| 03:05.22 | asg | GhostlyDeath: either way, for a laptop/desktop, /var shouldn't get that big. |
| 03:05.27 | GhostlyDeath | /var/log "145 items, totalling 22.5 MB" |
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| 03:05.40 | liable | apt cache |
| 03:05.42 | apt | from memory, cache is the WayBAckMachine at http://www.archive.org |
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| 03:05.56 | Azar | :) not you apt |
| 03:05.57 | asg | liable: 10G though? What did he do, apt-get install * |
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| 03:06.09 | asg | GhostlyDeath: how about /var/lib |
| 03:06.11 | liable | asg: heh, dunno |
| 03:06.40 | asg | GhostlyDeath: or /var/spool |
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| 03:08.04 | GhostlyDeath | var lib 17045 items, totalling 235.9 MB |
| 03:08.24 | GhostlyDeath | var spool 26 items, totalling 72.7 KB |
| 03:08.51 | GhostlyDeath | Just deleted by apt cache |
| 03:09.07 | asg | GhostlyDeath: did that return 10G of space? |
| 03:09.58 | mina_linux_Tux | is there a way to make an iso install image CD of my already running system to be installed on other number of machines , help pleaseeeeeeeeee |
| 03:10.12 | GhostlyDeath | after clearing the cache "/dev/sda3 21G 21G 0 100% /" |
| 03:10.13 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: bootcd, partimage |
| 03:10.31 | GhostlyDeath | What DON'T I need? |
| 03:10.32 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then you'll probably need to do 'du -h /var | sort -u' |
| 03:10.34 | ivx | hey i installed ISP Config when I only had one ip assigned to that server, now i have 5 assign and isp config isn't seeing the others, how to i get isp config to notice? |
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| 03:11.09 | liable | GhostlyDeath: you need to find out where the hell all your shit is thats taking up space |
| 03:11.09 | GhostlyDeath | Sons of small files |
| 03:11.19 | mina_linux_Tux | asg: some details please , did you get i mean , i want to like clone my system |
| 03:11.19 | GhostlyDeath | Tons* |
| 03:11.26 | asg | GhostlyDeath: what does df -i /var print? |
| 03:11.53 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: yes, bootcd and partimage are two different ways of doing that. There's also g4u. |
| 03:12.14 | blargman | what is the kernel version on debian stable? |
| 03:12.28 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/sda3 2768896 329946 2438950 12% / |
| 03:12.32 | mina_linux_Tux | asg: does the norton ghost doe it ? |
| 03:12.35 | asg | blargman: 2.6.18 |
| 03:13.01 | asg | mina_linux_Tux: no clue. g4u is a norton clone that works specifically with Unixlike systems. |
| 03:13.30 | blargman | sry i shouldn't ask such stupid questions before googling, i saw that just as u said it |
| 03:13.30 | asg | GhostlyDeath: not enough small files to run out of inodes then. You probably have a few very large files in this case. 'du -h /var | sort -u' |
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| 03:14.18 | GhostlyDeath | asg: same as before |
| 03:14.35 | GhostlyDeath | asg: What directories can I safely delete from? |
| 03:14.47 | asg | GhostlyDeath: paste the last two lines of 'du -h /var | sort -u' |
| 03:15.01 | GhostlyDeath | 9.9M /var/games/mordor |
| 03:15.01 | GhostlyDeath | 9.9M /var/games/mordor/sample |
| 03:15.27 | GhostlyDeath | Everything above is <= 96K |
| 03:16.05 | asg | GhostlyDeath: hmm, thought you said above /var was holding 12G? |
| 03:16.37 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 03:17.20 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then look at directories in /var (besides log and lib since you've eliminated them) and run the same commands to find what is holding 12G? |
| 03:17.21 | ooglaboogla | i've executed make menuconfig and cant see a 'console drivers' section, debian 4.0 i'm reading a howto on bootsplash |
| 03:17.23 | GhostlyDeath | 12.3GB |
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| 03:17.48 | GhostlyDeath | excluding lib64 |
| 03:17.57 | nn-laptop | my hard drive will spin down when i issue the command hdparm -Y but with in a half a minute it spins back up how do i fix this;; the error mesage seems to be irq timeout |
| 03:18.03 | GhostlyDeath | 2616 items, totalling 12.0 GB |
| 03:18.35 | asg | nn-laptop: by default, filesystems are generally sync'd every 30 seconds |
| 03:18.39 | blargman | does debian.org archive their cd isos anywhere? i want to get my hands on 3.0r1 :s |
| 03:18.43 | blargman | err 3.0r1 |
| 03:18.47 | GhostlyDeath | archives is 12GB though |
| 03:18.53 | asg | blargman: archive.debian.org |
| 03:19.21 | asg | GhostlyDeath: /var/archives or what? |
| 03:19.27 | GhostlyDeath | everything in var except archives/ is 19802 items, totalling 323.4 MB |
| 03:19.45 | GhostlyDeath | archives is 12GB |
| 03:20.00 | asg | GhostlyDeath: /var/archives? /var/foo/archives? what's the full path? |
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| 03:20.06 | nn-laptop | asg i want my mounted hard drive to stay off all night while the sys is running esd is there any way to do that |
| 03:20.08 | GhostlyDeath | var/archives |
| 03:20.13 | blargman | bummer doesn't look like sarge has been archived yet |
| 03:20.30 | asg | GhostlyDeath: what's in /var/archives? I don't have anything like that here |
| 03:20.38 | GhostlyDeath | 17.2GB, 17.2GB, 7.9GB and 4.0GB of tar.gz |
| 03:20.39 | liable | pr0n |
| 03:20.42 | asg | blargman: no, you can get it as oldstable. 3.0 is woody |
| 03:20.47 | pinks | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.51 | GhostlyDeath | looking at the biggest one |
| 03:20.56 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then find out what they are |
| 03:20.58 | liable | GhostlyDeath: you have a backup program installed or something? |
| 03:21.08 | GhostlyDeath | liable: dunno |
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| 03:21.32 | asg | liable: the fact that he doesn't know that he has 17+ GB of /var/archives/*.tar.gz is very troubling |
| 03:21.51 | liable | asg: indeed |
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| 03:22.37 | asg | liable: the fact that 'apt-file search var/archives' returns nothing is equally suspicious |
| 03:22.54 | asg | liable: it's possible that someone is already doing that for him at this point |
| 03:23.11 | nn-laptop | asg how do i keep a fs mounted while stoping the drive |
| 03:23.17 | GhostlyDeath | liable: I know the root password so hah |
| 03:23.31 | markybob | who owns the tar.gz files? |
| 03:23.37 | markybob | is it root? |
| 03:23.57 | asg | nn-laptop: look at the laptop-mode-tools package |
| 03:24.20 | liable | asg: why would apt-file know about /var/archives? even if it was a backup program, that wouldnt show them as being owned by that program would it? |
| 03:24.55 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
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| 03:25.04 | GhostlyDeath | seems to be a backup of /etc/ |
| 03:25.07 | nn-laptop | the drive dosent even stay off for 30 secounds ;;;; this is a tower pentioum mechiean |
| 03:25.09 | asg | liable: you never know. It could be a post-install created thing or locally created. |
| 03:25.11 | Madsy2 | My partition is doomed :\ |
| 03:25.16 | nn-laptop | the drive dosent even stay off for 30 secounds ;;;; this is a tower pentioum1 mechiean |
| 03:25.22 | asg | GhostlyDeath: /etc should *not* be 17G! |
| 03:25.37 | GhostlyDeath | asg: maybe a programmed installed more than packages? |
| 03:25.46 | liable | GhostlyDeath: is this a desktop box or server? |
| 03:25.46 | GhostlyDeath | the 17GB tar.gz reached an EOF |
| 03:25.50 | hunshad | Hello everyone, I have a problem regulated but I do not arrive there. My problem is:when I I try to carry out an order in mode root there is the:kate error: cannot connect to X server |
| 03:25.52 | asg | GhostlyDeath: or someone is saving their warez on your box |
| 03:25.52 | hark | unless it's a couple of centuries old ;) |
| 03:25.53 | GhostlyDeath | desktop |
| 03:25.59 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 03:26.00 | GhostlyDeath | lapto |
| 03:26.01 | GhostlyDeath | p |
| 03:26.35 | liable | GhostlyDeath: have you been playing with scripting or anything? |
| 03:27.03 | liable | GhostlyDeath: whats the mtime on the files? |
| 03:27.53 | GhostlyDeath | the 4GB one Sat 14 Apr 2007 07:47:41 AM EDT |
| 03:28.02 | hunshad | %C4Hello everyone, I have a problem regulated but I do not arrive there. My problem is:when I I try to carry out an order in mode root there is the:kate error: cannot connect to X server |
| 03:28.07 | GhostlyDeath | 7.9GB one Fri 13 Apr 2007 08:06:49 AM EDT |
| 03:28.39 | liable | check cron.daily |
| 03:28.50 | asg | hunshad: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 03:30.42 | snowbird | so etch is nomore testing |
| 03:31.41 | hunshad | asg:- known: /msg: No file or repertory of this type |
| 03:31.45 | liable | correct |
| 03:31.53 | liable | hehe |
| 03:32.18 | hark | heh |
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| 03:32.43 | liable | hunshad: in your irc client |
| 03:32.52 | hunshad | no |
| 03:32.57 | liable | yes |
| 03:33.03 | asg | hunshad: type it in your irc client |
| 03:33.04 | GhostlyDeath | It possible to see what program created the files? |
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| 03:33.32 | hunshad | type wha |
| 03:33.44 | asg | hunshad: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 03:33.55 | asg | hunshad: our bot will provide answers to your question so we don't have to. |
| 03:34.19 | adam2 | sorry for posting here but no one is answering elsewhere...I use debian testing and gnome 2.14.3. I hate the flashing window list when a program loads but hasn't gained focus. unchecking 'enable_animation' in gconf-editor doesn't help. any suggestions? |
| 03:34.51 | hunshad | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 03:34.52 | abrotman_ | ask #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 03:35.00 | earth-dragon | so im looking onto installing debian but have a few questions |
| 03:35.17 | hunshad | what is it |
| 03:35.30 | adam2 | abrotman_: already tried each of them and waited for about 1 hour with no answers/responses |
| 03:35.37 | earth-dragon | how many cds do i have to download |
| 03:35.43 | hark | adam2: good luck on getting rid of that! |
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| 03:35.49 | asg | hunshad: the bits at the end in brackets are other factoids, more information can be found by /msg dpkg sux, /msg dpkg sshx, etc. |
| 03:36.05 | adam2 | hark: i hate it and have never found any documentation on it |
| 03:36.09 | nn-laptop | asg how do i stop file systems from synking |
| 03:36.32 | nn-laptop | or what do i have to do to keep the drive off |
| 03:36.42 | asg | nn-laptop: ask #kernel, there may be a /proc tweakable but stopping it for 6 hours or so will not be viable. |
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| 03:36.49 | asg | nn-laptop: or #kernelnewbies |
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| 03:37.19 | nn-laptop | well then is there a way to keep this howler quiet |
| 03:37.19 | earth-dragon | if i just download the first one will that give me a good base system that i can download the rest from? |
| 03:37.25 | abrotman_ | adam2: ah ok |
| 03:37.26 | asg | hunshad: you could also consult #debian-kde to see if they have some 'authorize me to do something as root popup-widget-thingy that does the right thing' |
| 03:37.55 | me_here | nn-laptop: no |
| 03:38.02 | asg | nn-laptop: you can get noise cancellation equipment at Brookstone's for little cash |
| 03:38.07 | nn-laptop | well then is there a way to keep this howler quiet from the soft stand point hdparm -M is not avalable |
| 03:38.44 | asg | nn-laptop: or buy a small embedded fanless system. |
| 03:38.53 | GhostlyDeath | I'm gonna delete the file |
| 03:39.16 | hunshad | asg can explain to me |
| 03:39.23 | hunshad | i dont understand |
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| 03:39.49 | nn-laptop | this think is quiet as anything if i could stop the hd since the proseser is onily 133 mhz |
| 03:39.49 | respider | hi, my terminal (gnome-terminal, xterm, aterm) is taking forever to open when the internet gets slow.. when internet returns to normality, the terminal open... anyone know what can this be? |
| 03:39.50 | asg | hunshad: for security reasons, people cannot open windows on other peoples desktops (this includes root) by default. |
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| 03:40.18 | hunshad | by private msg |
| 03:40.18 | asg | hunshad: ask #debian-kde, they probably know the right way to do this within that environment. |
| 03:40.31 | hunshad | you know the answer? |
| 03:40.34 | asg | hunshad: keep it in channel then anyone can help and other can benefit |
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| 03:40.52 | asg | hunshad: no, I don't use KDE. |
| 03:40.57 | hunshad | ahh |
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| 03:41.21 | asg | hunshad: I know how to get around it in the general sense but I suspect KDE has something more integrated. I'd ask there first. |
| 03:41.36 | liable | i am pretty sure kde has a menu for opening knoq as root so you can then click on a file and edit it as root |
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| 03:41.50 | stoned | what in the shit |
| 03:42.10 | nn-laptop | maby i will throw a blanket over it the onily things that creat heat are hd and powerbox |
| 03:42.11 | asg | stoned: you're smoking it, I'm sure |
| 03:42.13 | stoned | did someone like restart the server |
| 03:42.33 | stoned | I said hello to Azar, and next thing I know, I'm in debian overflow |
| 03:43.07 | liable | check your global notices |
| 03:43.13 | nn-laptop | stoned, what server?? |
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| 03:43.17 | hunshad | there no body on #debian-kde |
| 03:43.30 | hunshad | they are sleeping |
| 03:43.30 | NefariousPrior | Is there a program that will monitor who is logged in? |
| 03:43.36 | asg | hunshad: you may need to try on oftc.net |
| 03:43.38 | pmv | respider: do you have lots of http pages open? |
| 03:43.41 | pmv | *https |
| 03:43.42 | asg | NefariousPrior: who |
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| 03:43.50 | stoned | im on windows/mirc |
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| 03:44.01 | stoned | it closed the channels, no logs, * [10053] Software caused connection abort == last message in status |
| 03:44.12 | NefariousPrior | asg: I want to monitor constantly.... and not have to do "who {enter}" all night. lol |
| 03:44.12 | nn-laptop | good night "Poof" bye |
| 03:44.14 | respider | pvm no, and if I had? why the terminal is taking long to open? |
| 03:44.33 | stoned | i need to find a linux compatible wifi nic so i can getmy deb machine back online |
| 03:44.33 | asg | NefariousPrior: and what do you want to happen when someone logs in / logs out? |
| 03:44.33 | liable | lol |
| 03:44.48 | pmv | respider: an average computer can only handle so many active https sessions |
| 03:44.59 | stoned | pmv, how many? |
| 03:45.24 | pmv | still.. those shouldn't wait on socket i/o .. |
| 03:45.29 | respider | pmv: terminal has a http session? and my computer has 2gb ram and dual core |
| 03:45.38 | pmv | so slow net shouldn't be much of a factor |
| 03:45.40 | stoned | respider which dual core? |
| 03:45.42 | pmv | I meant https |
| 03:45.46 | NefariousPrior | asg: I'm thinking like top, but for users. Nothing needs to happen other than updating the on-screen list. |
| 03:45.57 | asg | NefariousPrior: watch -n5 who |
| 03:46.02 | respider | stoned amd x2 3800 |
| 03:46.05 | stoned | ugh |
| 03:46.08 | pmv | so sorry, me have not much clue |
| 03:46.12 | stoned | oh sorry, did i say that out loud |
| 03:46.16 | NefariousPrior | asg: thanks |
| 03:46.17 | pmv | ahaha |
| 03:46.18 | stoned | NefariousPrior umm.. |
| 03:46.19 | asg | NefariousPrior: change -n to how many seconds you need your update to be |
| 03:46.41 | stoned | if watching men tickles your pickle then so be it ;) |
| 03:46.51 | pmv | tee hee |
| 03:46.51 | asg | NefariousPrior: watch(1) is useful for all sorts of stuff |
| 03:47.37 | pmv | ohh |
| 03:47.39 | liable | hehe |
| 03:47.40 | pmv | well that's useful |
| 03:47.43 | NefariousPrior | watch is AWESOME. I love when I find these things no one tels you about. Last month it was 'cut'. |
| 03:47.58 | GhostlyDeath | asg: What If I removed read/write permissions from the folder? |
| 03:47.59 | stoned | I love core 2 btw respider |
| 03:48.06 | asg | NefariousPrior: next month, it'll be script(1) |
| 03:48.17 | asg | GhostlyDeath: then only root could write to it. |
| 03:48.42 | pmv | for watching downloads I usually do while true; do clear; ls -l ~/downloads/; sleep 2; done |
| 03:48.42 | respider | stoned me too, but its 2x amd x2 price here in brazil, and I already had am2 mobo |
| 03:48.44 | liable | GhostlyDeath: no, you want to find out wtf is doing it |
| 03:48.48 | NefariousPrior | script is awesome too |
| 03:48.55 | asg | pmv: or watch -n2 ls -l ~/downloads |
| 03:48.59 | GhostlyDeath | Something is backup up files |
| 03:49.01 | pmv | asg: exactly |
| 03:49.05 | pmv | NefariousPrior: that too :-D) |
| 03:49.24 | stoned | respider, I was on a 866mhz p3 for a long time, then on 2.4ghz p4 prescott, which I OC to 3.2Ghz, and rectly I bought E6300 C2D which is now at 3.5Ghz with 1gb 800mhz ddr2. |
| 03:49.31 | stoned | I need another 1gb and I should be set |
| 03:49.45 | respider | stoned congratulations |
| 03:50.03 | stoned | my web/ftp/apache/mysql/etc. etc. run on my broken screen laptop |
| 03:50.19 | stoned | 512 ram, and 1.8ghz dell inspiron my old professor gave me a few years ago cuz it was broken |
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| 03:50.48 | stoned | i never fixed the screen, just took it off, and hooked up an external monitor |
| 03:51.08 | stoned | abrotman, abrotman_, abrotman__, abrotman_____!!! |
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| 03:51.15 | stoned | wake up! |
| 03:52.23 | liable | !sing abrotman |
| 03:52.23 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 03:53.12 | liable | lol |
| 03:53.15 | stoned | this is hilarious |
| 03:53.24 | pmv | haha |
| 03:53.39 | stoned | boratman? |
| 03:53.41 | liable | he finally did it himself! |
| 03:53.54 | stoned | i like saying abroman backwards |
| 03:53.57 | stoned | namtorba |
| 03:54.06 | stoned | its a funny sounding word, rolls right off the toung |
| 03:54.16 | stoned | namtorba haha, say it like 5x fast |
| 03:54.28 | stoned | namtorba namtorbanamtorba akldjalkdflj |
| 03:54.46 | pmv | quirky sense of humour you have there mate :-p |
| 03:54.59 | stoned | I have not been stoned in a month, can you believe it |
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| 03:57.47 | omg0_ | is it dpkg -l application_name for uninstall? |
| 03:58.02 | asg | omg0_: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
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| 03:59.51 | NefariousPrior | watch -n5 who > /var/www/who.txt & <-- doesn't work. 8( |
| 04:00.21 | asg | NefariousPrior: you probably need tee(1) to direct both to stdout and also to a file |
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| 04:00.56 | NefariousPrior | hmm |
| 04:01.04 | asg | NefariousPrior: also, you don't want the '&' or you'll create that process that never dies every 5 seconds. |
| 04:01.26 | NefariousPrior | lol |
| 04:01.29 | NefariousPrior | k |
| 04:01.58 | NefariousPrior | watch -n1 du -h / |
| 04:02.04 | NefariousPrior | & |
| 04:02.26 | asg | NefariousPrior: yeah, disregard that last bit about '&', dunno what I was thinking |
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| 04:03.34 | mikey | so...new to *.nix. Had a go at kubuntu and now I'm trying debian |
| 04:03.44 | asg | !grounding |
| 04:03.44 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 04:03.50 | asg | !smart questions |
| 04:03.50 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 04:04.12 | liable | is foxconn a decent mobo manufacturer? never heard of em till yesterday |
| 04:05.01 | liable | i just sneezed and now my shoulders and all the joints in my arms hurt |
| 04:05.21 | asg | liable: is there a gob of junk on your monitor also? |
| 04:05.41 | liable | asg: not this time |
| 04:05.51 | asg | liable: check /var/log/aches |
| 04:06.26 | liable | its quite strange, it happens every once in a while, almost athritic kind of pain |
| 04:07.11 | asg | liable: sneezing has been claimed to be as close to an orgasm as one can get without having one. Perhaps you are just out of shape? |
| 04:07.22 | stoned | liable one time I was going to sneeze and it was coming. I was about to relieve myself when I want aaaah.. aaaaahhh. aaaaaaahhh.. STOP. The sneeze just stopped in the middle and it hurt the back of my head and neck so bad I almost collapsed. |
| 04:07.25 | stoned | the pain was horrible |
| 04:07.31 | stoned | after a minute or two it went away |
| 04:07.36 | stoned | but it hurt like a bitch |
| 04:07.36 | liable | asg: heh, yeah I have heard that one before, i think 7 sneezes = orgasm |
| 04:08.14 | liable | this is always in my shoulder and arms |
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| 04:09.28 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 04:10.11 | o2T7 | I have a line like this in my dmesg: |
| 04:10.35 | o2T7 | "probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6" |
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| 04:11.21 | o2T7 | and at xinit time: |
| 04:11.36 | o2T7 | fails to load libGLcore.so |
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| 04:12.04 | o2T7 | speedo module |
| 04:12.12 | o2T7 | GLcore module |
| 04:12.18 | o2T7 | DRI module |
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| 04:12.37 | o2T7 | and then pointer errors |
| 04:13.08 | o2T7 | All these errors after 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 04:13.13 | liable | kerneltraps mysql server is borken |
| 04:13.43 | asg | liable: in the sense that there hasn't been a new post since Feb 28? |
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| 04:13.48 | hark | no surprise there |
| 04:13.54 | hunshad | oftc.net |
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| 04:14.08 | liable | asg: http://kerneltrap.org/node/7135 <-- in that sense |
| 04:14.11 | asg | liable: oh, the drupal foob. |
| 04:14.15 | hunshad | when I put a deposit for skype, and then that I try to download it, he says to me that the package is defective |
| 04:14.24 | asg | liable: I get too many connections here |
| 04:14.25 | blazemonger | i have a d865perl motherboard with onboard audio(soundmax4) and debian detected no synth or midi devices |
| 04:14.48 | blazemonger | i'm reading the alsa webpage now |
| 04:14.56 | liable | asg: ya |
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| 04:16.18 | blazemonger | intel's website has drivers only for suse and redhat but i only use gnu software |
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| 04:16.51 | asg | blazemonger: suse and redhat also use gnu software |
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| 04:17.16 | hark | hunshad: deposit for what? |
| 04:17.29 | hunshad | skype |
| 04:17.41 | hark | isn't it supposed to be free? |
| 04:17.58 | blazemonger | i try to stick with only gnu/gpl licenses |
| 04:18.00 | liable | communication error i think |
| 04:18.07 | hark | how's the download related with your deposit? |
| 04:18.32 | asg | blazemonger: but you are perfectly willing to download an intel driver that is probably a blob? |
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| 04:18.55 | blazemonger | no i'm not |
| 04:19.07 | blazemonger | i want to use rosegarden4 |
| 04:19.17 | blazemonger | that's the only software i want to use |
| 04:19.18 | hunshad | it's free |
| 04:19.19 | asg | blazemonger: then they should provide source code which you can easily compile |
| 04:21.13 | blazemonger | are there any sound devices which have full midi support in linux which don't depend on proprietary drivers |
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| 04:22.37 | blazemonger | my friend is giving me a us428 usb midi controller |
| 04:22.44 | blazemonger | which works perfect under linux |
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| 04:22.55 | Kevin` | how do I get apm suspend and suspend to swap working in debian |
| 04:23.01 | blazemonger | he's trying to build me a system which requires no proprietary drivers |
| 04:23.10 | blazemonger | even if it is older hardware |
| 04:23.33 | hark | Kevin`: apm.. really? |
| 04:23.38 | Kevin` | apm really |
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| 04:23.43 | Kevin` | not a new system |
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| 04:24.47 | Kevin` | I don't know any of the commands or whatever to use these functions though, even if they already work |
| 04:24.48 | blazemonger | it's one of those analog devices ad1985 |
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| 04:25.38 | Kevin` | anybody? |
| 04:25.49 | Guerin | !anyvody |
| 04:25.51 | Guerin | !anybody |
| 04:25.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:26.00 | hark | you have to boot with apm=on, iirc |
| 04:26.09 | hark | dunno if that's been changed |
| 04:26.14 | Kevin` | how do I actually do that stuff, though |
| 04:26.20 | markybob | apm was deprecated for a reason. eek |
| 04:26.22 | Kevin` | "apm" reports battery life and such |
| 04:26.25 | blazemonger | should i trust the intel proprietary drivers? |
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| 04:26.57 | pmv | Kevin`: specifically apm? not acpi? |
| 04:27.22 | Kevin` | i'm pretty sure it's apm. could be wrong, but it's an old laptop with 150mhz pentium-mmx |
| 04:27.33 | pmv | hmm |
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| 04:27.44 | ArtVandalae | Hi, is there a way to output the pid of a program once it is started? |
| 04:27.48 | pmv | so it has an apm chip in it |
| 04:28.15 | pmv | ArtVandalae: from within the program (like if you're writing it in C), or from shell? |
| 04:28.27 | pmv | Kevin`: do you have /proc/apm? |
| 04:28.38 | Kevin` | moment |
| 04:28.40 | pmv | Kevin`: what kernel? |
| 04:29.07 | ArtVandalae | pmv, from the shell |
| 04:29.14 | Kevin` | Linux lisa 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 04:29.17 | Kevin` | proc/apm exists |
| 04:29.22 | pmv | ArtVandalae: from shell you can use ps auxww and grep to do that, but if you have more than one processes running it'll show them all |
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| 04:29.39 | wynd_ | anyone know how to screenshot a tty? |
| 04:29.52 | pmv | wynd_: man script |
| 04:29.59 | pmv | should be good enough |
| 04:30.00 | Kevin` | wynd_ easiest generic way is to use script or screen |
| 04:30.02 | wynd_ | ty pmv |
| 04:30.14 | wynd_ | and Kevin` |
| 04:30.16 | blazemonger | synth devices not enabled in config |
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| 04:30.25 | pmv | Kevin`: well, there's http://www.suspend2.net/ |
| 04:30.35 | blazemonger | is there a way i can get the specs to the onboard audio ? |
| 04:30.38 | pmv | I personally use uswsusp |
| 04:30.48 | blazemonger | it's a intel soundmax 4 card |
| 04:30.55 | pmv | blazemonger: lspci will tell you the model at least |
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| 04:31.16 | Kevin` | pmv does that do "sleep mode |
| 04:31.22 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:32.20 | liable | what is wrong when my perms show ?----------- |
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| 04:32.40 | bony | i installed e17 from cvs and while configuring it asked me to choose between gdm and entrace i selected entrance and now neither entrace nor gdm is showing up after booting. How to change back to gdm? |
| 04:32.49 | Sweetandy | Is lists.debian.org down for anybody else? |
| 04:32.51 | blazemonger | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.58 | markybob | liable probably owned by a uid that doesnt exist on your current system? |
| 04:33.03 | Acu | HI guys I am trying to install Cinelerra Video Editing and I get cinelerra: Depends: libmjpegtools0c2a (>=1:1.8.0-0.0ubuntu1) but it is not installable Depends: libquicktimehv but it is not going to be installed Depends: libquicktimehv but it is not going to be installed Depends: libmpeg3hv (=1:2.0.0-1svn20060611.1) what can I do ? |
| 04:33.08 | blazemonger | if i could get that working with midi i'd be set perfect |
| 04:33.25 | liable | markybob: when i ls -l it from root it shows ok, but from user it shows that |
| 04:33.29 | pmv | Kevin`: what do you mean by sleep mode? |
| 04:33.39 | pmv | I can do both suspend to ram and to disk |
| 04:33.41 | markybob | liable ntfs or some other crappy fs? |
| 04:33.47 | pmv | encrpyted images too |
| 04:33.48 | liable | markybob: no, ext3 |
| 04:33.49 | Kevin` | pmv suspend to ram I mean |
| 04:33.56 | markybob | liable hrm. *shrug* |
| 04:34.05 | blujay | Acu: you will get problems like that if you try to install an Ubuntu package on Debian sometimes |
| 04:34.16 | pmv | had to hack it a bit, since I use encrypted partitions, but it works fine |
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| 04:34.23 | blujay | Acu: Maybe you can build the package |
| 04:34.24 | hark | Kevin`: apm -s ? |
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| 04:35.37 | blazemonger | this card works good in midi in m$ |
| 04:36.19 | huinshad | h: |
| 04:36.19 | huinshad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.20 | grundel | i have installed the latest version of clamav and yet when i run clamscan, i get: LibClamAV Warning: *** This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated. *** |
| 04:36.45 | liable | !volatile |
| 04:36.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 04:36.51 | Kevin` | apparently pressing the power button after suspending turns the computer off instead of bringing it back up |
| 04:36.56 | Kevin` | apm -s did indeed do something though |
| 04:37.43 | grundel | grundel: heh? |
| 04:37.54 | blazemonger | mm |
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| 04:39.02 | huinshad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.28 | grundel | no one running clamav under 'etch'? |
| 04:39.44 | blazemonger | im gonna try the intel drivers |
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| 04:39.58 | pmv | Kevin`: usually depressing that monitor button or pressing a key restores state |
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| 04:40.34 | zoidy | has anyone ever compiled nginx on debian? |
| 04:40.52 | Acu | blujay: thanks I think I tried - but I will do it again - I just want to add some text on the video - but Kino does not have such luxury - |
| 04:41.50 | undesktop | why does "apt-get remove libc6" want to install libgtk2.0-common? |
| 04:41.51 | stew | blazemonger: midi is easy, just pick up a sounblaster whatever |
| 04:41.55 | blujay | huinshad: are you in X now? |
| 04:42.03 | huinshad | yes |
| 04:42.08 | huinshad | oups |
| 04:42.10 | huinshad | hunshad |
| 04:42.13 | huinshad | ok |
| 04:42.20 | Acu | I just tried iMovie on a Mac - it is unvelievable - it took me 15 secs to learn and use it! - However I want to use Linux (maybe the little bit of masochist in me want to let me suffer once again) |
| 04:42.21 | blujay | huinshad: and how are you trying to launch kate? |
| 04:42.32 | huinshad | in shell |
| 04:42.41 | blujay | huinshad: a shell in konsole or what? |
| 04:42.46 | huinshad | in root |
| 04:42.54 | huinshad | kjonsole |
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| 04:43.07 | blujay | huinshad: try $(kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 04:43.18 | liable | as user |
| 04:43.30 | Acu | OK anyone knows how to extract and convert a vob (from a DVD) and make it mp3 (I just need the sound) ? |
| 04:43.33 | blujay | yes, thanks, liable |
| 04:43.43 | blujay | Acu: mplayer/mencoder can probably do that |
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| 04:44.04 | huinshad | but i'm on debian |
| 04:44.23 | blujay | huinshad: me too...what is your point? =) |
| 04:44.42 | huinshad | and when i writte xhost + that work but when i'm reboot my pc that didint work |
| 04:44.49 | blujay | huinshad: you should not need xhost |
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| 04:44.59 | blujay | just run the command I gave you as your normal user |
| 04:45.12 | huinshad | ok with kdesu that will work?? |
| 04:45.22 | huinshad | ok i restart my session to see |
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| 04:46.21 | pmv | Acu: lots of apps let you rip the sound |
| 04:46.22 | blazemonger | any other alternatives in midi on this device |
| 04:46.30 | hunshad | ok re |
| 04:46.35 | pmv | mplayer -dumpaudio for one |
| 04:47.15 | hunshad | Mmm that didnt work |
| 04:47.24 | hunshad | with kdesu |
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| 04:47.46 | Acu | pmv: thanks - I used to convert realmedia .rm to .mp3 maybe I should try the same command replacing rm with vob |
| 04:48.37 | pmv | Acu: course that'd just dump the audio in the original format |
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| 04:48.53 | pmv | if you want to actually convert it, say to mpeg, use mencoder |
| 04:49.06 | gg_hp57 | how do i get nvidia legacy drivers working on debian? |
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| 04:50.51 | markybob | !nvidia_legacy |
| 04:50.51 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia_legacy was If you're using a Geforce2 or older card, you need to use the nvidia legacy driver instead of the normal one. If you're asked to install packages, use nvidia-kernel-legacy-...... instead of nvidia-kernel-......, and nvidia-glx-legacy. Ask me about <nvidia_legacy_cards> for a list of old cards supported by the legacy driver. |
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| 04:52.22 | gg_hp57 | markybob: after i install nvidia-kernel-legacy & nvidia-glx-legacy, what do i do next? |
| 04:53.23 | markybob | gg_hp57: edit xorg to use nvidia and that's it |
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| 04:56.35 | gg_hp57 | markybob: i cant 'startx' gives me an error. > no screens found |
| 04:57.05 | gg_hp57 | markybob: (EE) screens found but now useable configuration |
| 04:58.33 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 04:58.53 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 04:58.53 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 04:59.07 | markybob | gg_hp57: lsmod show nvidia module? |
| 04:59.20 | jetscreamer | o nm oops |
| 04:59.39 | liable | you will need to read the log to see why it doesnt like it, prolly your modes |
| 04:59.45 | hark | pastebin your log |
| 05:01.11 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:01.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd147 is <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
| 05:01.44 | hark | !guidelines |
| 05:01.44 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 05:03.10 | hark | the number of people asking here would drop by half if #1 was followed ;) |
| 05:03.25 | gg_hp57 | what should i be looking for in the log? |
| 05:03.52 | hark | the reason why you are getting this error |
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| 05:04.46 | hark | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#head-83b2f9b8c18db15e641ed9e0be8f9a8364001e5b |
| 05:06.26 | gg_hp57 | basicly states: (EE) NVIDIA(0) FAILED TO LOAD THE NVIDIA KERNEL MODULE ----- (EE) Screens found but none have a useable configuration. -------- Fatal server error: no screens found |
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| 05:07.00 | markybob | which is why i asked you to lsmod |
| 05:07.02 | markybob | damnit |
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| 05:08.32 | markybob | gg_hp57: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 05:08.40 | hark | don't you think that the first EE should also have been mentioned first? |
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| 05:09.10 | Sazpaimon | how do i deluser a user that's currently logged in |
| 05:09.26 | o2T7 | I get an error from edev when booting, but can't find it into |
| 05:09.38 | markybob | Sazpaimon: you force him out. kill gdm or bash or whatever he's logged in with |
| 05:09.40 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.56 | o2T7 | where could I see it? |
| 05:10.05 | Kronuz | is there anything else, besides adding a .desktop file to the ~/.local/share/applications, needed to add an app to the main menu? |
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| 05:10.19 | Sazpaimon | I did ps ax | grep username |
| 05:10.26 | Sazpaimon | killed the processes associated with it |
| 05:10.32 | Sazpaimon | what else do I need to do? |
| 05:10.35 | Kronuz | I tried using alacarte but I couldn't make it work either with that.... I want to add a new menu item to my main menu |
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| 05:10.41 | undesktop | killall -u username |
| 05:10.42 | pmv | Sazpaimon: that's not deluser. I assume you're trying to kick him out. |
| 05:10.48 | Sazpaimon | yes |
| 05:10.50 | markybob | Sazpaimon: `w` to see if they're still signed on |
| 05:10.50 | Sazpaimon | THEN deluser |
| 05:10.50 | undesktop | oh ok |
| 05:10.57 | pmv | uh |
| 05:11.03 | hark | Kronuz: /etc/xdg/menus/ |
| 05:11.06 | Sazpaimon | nope |
| 05:11.08 | Sazpaimon | not logged in |
| 05:11.12 | markybob | Sazpaimon: so delete it now |
| 05:11.13 | Sazpaimon | but deluser is reporting that they're logged in |
| 05:11.18 | gg_hp57 | markybob: startx worked. lets see when reboot |
| 05:11.22 | markybob | Sazpaimon: clear /tmp/ |
| 05:11.31 | o2T7 | Do you know where to see edev error logs? |
| 05:11.55 | liable | edev? whats edev? |
| 05:12.13 | pmv | do you mean udev? .. |
| 05:12.14 | Kronuz | hark: what about that? |
| 05:12.25 | Kronuz | do I have to have root access to add a menu? o_O |
| 05:12.25 | o2T7 | i guess it is that, sorry |
| 05:12.26 | Sazpaimon | markybob, all of /tmp/ or just the sess_ files |
| 05:12.30 | hark | Kronuz: edit it |
| 05:12.41 | markybob | Sazpaimon: doesnt much matter. it is /tmp/ after all |
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| 05:12.45 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 05:12.53 | Sazpaimon | I guess i'll delete all except eacellerator |
| 05:12.55 | gg_hp57 | markybob: thanks! it worked... |
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| 05:12.58 | Sazpaimon | because that doesnt get recreated iirc |
| 05:13.06 | pmv | heh.. lots of other apps use that, mind you |
| 05:13.15 | liable | o2T7: you can stop the boot with ^s and start with ^q then scroll the page to see the errors |
| 05:13.24 | liable | o2T7: otherwise enable bootlogd |
| 05:13.25 | pmv | for download buffers, sessions info, etc |
| 05:13.32 | Sazpaimon | markybob, same error |
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| 05:13.36 | gg_hp57 | marybobo: i have another machine w/ the same card. so do i just run: 'apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy' and thats it? |
| 05:13.36 | markybob | Sazpaimon: delete everything in /tmp/, not /tmp. or if you did already and just recreate it. no big deal |
| 05:13.45 | o2T7 | liable: thank you ! |
| 05:13.57 | markybob | gg_hp57: no. you need the nvidia-glx-legacy package as well |
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| 05:14.14 | Sazpaimon | markybob, i already did |
| 05:14.15 | liable | o2T7: to scroll shift+pgup/pgdn |
| 05:14.19 | Sazpaimon | all that's left is an eacellerator directory |
| 05:14.31 | Inf3rn0 | I need the package checkinstall, and it is supposed to be available via apt-get, but it tells me it can't find it. Is that because I'm on etch and its not supposed to be on there? |
| 05:14.44 | o2T7 | yes, but it is fust after that part, will try ^s |
| 05:14.46 | Sazpaimon | same error |
| 05:14.50 | o2T7 | and bootlogd |
| 05:14.56 | o2T7 | fast* |
| 05:15.07 | gg_hp57 | marybobo: so do i just run: 'apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy && module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy' correct? |
| 05:15.29 | markybob | gg_hp57: and edit xorg |
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| 05:15.43 | Sazpaimon | markybob, what else do i need to remove |
| 05:15.45 | o2T7 | liable: should I enable it in init.d? |
| 05:15.46 | gg_hp57 | marybob: cool thanks! |
| 05:15.49 | Sazpaimon | because it still says logged in |
| 05:15.52 | o2T7 | bootlogd, i mean |
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| 05:16.21 | Kronuz | argh! it's very difficult to add a new menu item :P |
| 05:16.27 | markybob | Sazpaimon: i dont know. rm -rf their home dir and then try? maybe there's a lockfile in there that deluser checks for |
| 05:16.39 | markybob | Sazpaimon: keep making sure they're not logging back in with `w` |
| 05:16.49 | Sazpaimon | they arent |
| 05:17.03 | Sazpaimon | and I set the homedir to somewhere where they dont have permission at |
| 05:17.07 | Sazpaimon | a stupid mistake |
| 05:17.14 | Kevin` | can I use this for anything?: |
| 05:17.16 | Kevin` | Socket 0: |
| 05:17.17 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.18 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.22 | Sazpaimon | and it's shared with another user |
| 05:17.29 | floundering | Hi, I'm running etch, with sata hard drives and when I plug in a "bare" scsi card the drive device names change, anything else I need to do apart from modifying fstab? |
| 05:17.56 | hark | Kronuz: if you don't want it globally, look in ~/.config/menus/ and ~/.local/share/ |
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| 05:18.16 | Kevin` | floundering you may have to change /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:18.27 | Sazpaimon | markybob, so what else do i do |
| 05:18.38 | markybob | Sazpaimon: like i said, i dont know. |
| 05:18.58 | Sazpaimon | ugh |
| 05:19.28 | Sazpaimon | if I try the passwd the user |
| 05:19.29 | Sazpaimon | passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 05:19.29 | Sazpaimon | passwd: password unchanged |
| 05:19.54 | Sazpaimon | oops |
| 05:20.00 | Sazpaimon | i typoed on the passwd |
| 05:20.01 | Sazpaimon | yeah that worked |
| 05:20.32 | jetscreamer | hey look it's my bug from a year ago |
| 05:20.36 | markybob | Sazpaimon: just remove their line from /etc/shadow /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
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| 05:21.18 | rcbarnes | I'm looking for info on how to build custom kernels (I need a new kernel to support my raid hardware), but I'm using x86_64, and since every tutorial I see referrs to such cutting-edge kernels as the 2.2 series, I wanted to know if there's anything that they won't cover in my situation. |
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| 05:21.30 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 05:21.41 | Kevin` | rcbarnes lol, 2.2? |
| 05:21.46 | rcbarnes | Kevin`: yeah. |
| 05:21.47 | Kevin` | rcbarnes well, things are simpler now, |
| 05:21.52 | jetscreamer | 2.2 x64? |
| 05:21.57 | Kevin` | rcbarnes the jist of it is this: |
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| 05:22.09 | Kevin` | tar xf linux-.tar.bz2 |
| 05:22.10 | markybob | he's making a point that the tutorials are old. that's why he's asking for more info |
| 05:22.11 | Kevin` | cd linux- |
| 05:22.11 | rcbarnes | jetscreamer: no, not mention of 64 in them, hence my question |
| 05:22.14 | Kevin` | make menuconfig\ |
| 05:22.21 | Kevin` | make |
| 05:22.25 | Kevin` | make modules_install |
| 05:22.28 | jetscreamer | !kernel mantra |
| 05:22.28 | dpkg | use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out |
| 05:22.35 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:22.40 | Kevin` | cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /some/where |
| 05:22.40 | jetscreamer | wrong mantra |
| 05:22.46 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:22.49 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 05:23.00 | Kevin` | I like my mantra betterrer ;p |
| 05:23.09 | jetscreamer | but kevin's is valid |
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| 05:23.26 | jetscreamer | and the always works nomatterthedistro method |
| 05:23.28 | Kevin` | -!kp builds debian packages for the kernel too |
| 05:23.30 | blazemonger | what is the fastest server for installing debian? |
| 05:23.49 | jetscreamer | unknown |
| 05:23.50 | Vasistha | while we're on the topic -- is it possible to just recompile one module, rather than the whole kernel and all the modules? |
| 05:23.59 | \amethyst | blazemonger: use apt-spy to find out |
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| 05:24.08 | markybob | Vasistha: that's what m-a is for |
| 05:24.08 | jetscreamer | i think so but not sure never tried |
| 05:24.10 | rcbarnes | Kevin`: is there an easy way in that process to make several options for the kernel (so when I screw up a build I can boot an old kernel)? |
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| 05:24.29 | Kronuz | hark: I've honestly tried it but I can't make it work... please could you help me (adding the menu) |
| 05:24.48 | Kronuz | I've been trying for at least two hours :( |
| 05:24.52 | rcbarnes | s/make several options for the kernel/config lilo for several kernels/ |
| 05:24.52 | jetscreamer | rcbarnes: when you do it the debian way grub is automatically updated to include all kernels on the box |
| 05:24.57 | jetscreamer | in /boot |
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| 05:25.11 | rcbarnes | jetscreamer: and lilo? (have to use that because of my array) |
| 05:25.14 | Kevin` | rcbarnes after 'make' you will have a kernel image and modules. doing make menuconfig again you can change the config and run make again to build another. this will also be faster then the first build since it wont build what it doesn't have to |
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| 05:25.30 | Vasistha | markybob: huh, alright, I'll have to try it out. Now here's a less likely one -- is it possible to somehow take the built-in acpi out of the stock kernel, without recompiling everything? |
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| 05:25.37 | DavidProck1981 | hay, u know then debian is loading and part of all the text scrooling by is in a resoultion and when the seroultion changes, Is there a way to pick what u want it on |
| 05:25.39 | jetscreamer | rcbarnes: not sure, iirc it didn't used to, but i haven't used lilo in a while |
| 05:25.44 | markybob | Vasistha: no |
| 05:26.04 | jetscreamer | rcbarnes: but updating /etc/lilo.conf is trivial, and then run lilo |
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| 05:26.08 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't |
| 05:26.41 | Kevin` | is package linux-source-2.6.18 what I should use to build kernel modules? |
| 05:26.43 | rcbarnes | jetscreamer: yeah, I just wanted to make sure which way to do it---clobbering sucks, as does extra work. :-P |
| 05:26.47 | Vasistha | markybob: hmm. And I guess since acpi is built-in... does that make it impossible to disable it? Seems like I tried using my acpi disabling flags with an etch kernel, and they didn't actually work :P |
| 05:27.07 | Kevin` | (build against the debian kernel) |
| 05:27.18 | markybob | Vasistha: acpi is built-in, but the modules it uses arent. you could blacklist those modules |
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| 05:27.31 | jetscreamer | Kevin`: for a stock kernel? you would build against the linux-headers-`uname -r` i 'think' |
| 05:27.46 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: yeah, something like vga=791 as a kernel boot option will give you pretty high resolution. There's also svga textmode ... you can google both those things |
| 05:27.49 | jetscreamer | i build kernels from the source is all i know |
| 05:28.01 | jetscreamer | !tell DavidProck1981 -about hwinfo |
| 05:28.02 | DavidProck1981 | How does this line go ' dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 05:28.09 | jetscreamer | !tell DavidProck1981 -about drxx |
| 05:28.16 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:28.40 | DavidProck1981 | jetscreamer, is that yes directed to me |
| 05:28.44 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:28.53 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:28.54 | Vasistha | markybob: I guess I need to have a better understanding of how acpi works with the modules; I just want to disable acpi as completely as possible, and let apm run everything, as my lappy has a buggy acpi implementation that just doesn't work with linux. |
| 05:29.03 | DavidProck1981 | well that ' dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' dont work, invalid command |
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| 05:29.23 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: are you root? |
| 05:29.30 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: you didn't put the ' ' 's did you? |
| 05:29.36 | markybob | Vasistha: adding acpi=off to the kernel line in grub's menu.lst doesnt disable it for you? |
| 05:29.37 | DavidProck1981 | ok , u can shoot me now |
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| 05:30.01 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: also, if you did sudo, it 'might' not be in your path |
| 05:30.30 | jetscreamer | wait, he didn't say which one of us could shoot him |
| 05:30.31 | Vasistha | markybob: well, I could try it again, I suppose. I've been compiling my own for a while, and last time I booted a stock kernel -- I recollect passing those flags, and having it use acpi anyway. But maybe I just need to try again. |
| 05:31.02 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: you could delete the acpi modules manually :o |
| 05:31.04 | markybob | Vasistha: blacklist its modules, too. like battery, ac, button |
| 05:31.08 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 05:31.22 | Vasistha | markybob: alright, I'll give it a try. thanks! |
| 05:31.26 | Kevin` | lisa:~# ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/.config |
| 05:31.32 | Kevin` | blah stupid irc |
| 05:31.37 | Kevin` | seemed to work though |
| 05:31.37 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:31.49 | jetscreamer | blame the net |
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| 05:32.04 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: it's kind of a temporary solution since I would have to do it every time there's a kernel update :P of course right now I have to compile the whole thing every time there's an update... |
| 05:32.18 | DavidProck1981 | well besides ' dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' one thing i really need to make happen is, when debian is loading, and if i stop the GUI fron loading , i need the screen resoultion while in the shell to be 1680x1050 or i will not be able to see any thing, how can i seet that up |
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| 05:33.06 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: you don't 'have' to recompile unless it's a security thing |
| 05:33.26 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 you should use a framebuffer console with appropriate options, and probably with the correct driver for your card. I don't do this much though, someone else will help :) |
| 05:33.41 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: it's a buggy firmware thing for me. |
| 05:34.27 | markybob | DavidProck1981: install and read the man page for fbset |
| 05:34.44 | enouf | Vasistha: fwiw- there's a grub option every that applies to carry any kernel line params over to any kernel updates |
| 05:35.18 | enouf | - every s/every//g |
| 05:35.28 | DavidProck1981 | because for about 15 seconds durring the loading process, untill i see the GUI login, My LCD monitor is telling me to set the resoultion to 1680x1050, ANY ONE know what that is about |
| 05:35.30 | Kevin` | compiling on this computer is sloooooow |
| 05:35.50 | Vasistha | enouf: yeah, I managed to figure that out, so now when I install a new one I automatically get vga=791 quiet :-) |
| 05:36.02 | markybob | DavidProck1981: lcd's have native resolutions that they're picky about. that's yours |
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| 05:36.24 | DavidProck1981 | how can i fix the problem |
| 05:36.32 | markybob | DavidProck1981: i already told you |
| 05:36.33 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: have you acted on any of the suggestions that have been given to you already? |
| 05:36.43 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 some lcd monitors just display that as an informational message, to tell you you SHOULD do it, but will still display the information |
| 05:36.53 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 when that message is on screen do you see stuff? |
| 05:37.00 | enouf | Vasistha: see the kopts option (and the update-grub options) mine is # kopt=root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic |
| 05:37.00 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 05:37.12 | Kevin` | can you dismiss the message? |
| 05:37.24 | DavidProck1981 | and i cant pull up the montiors menu when that message is up ither |
| 05:37.24 | Vasistha | enouf: yeah, I've got something a little more detailed ;-) |
| 05:37.33 | Kevin` | actually, just press ctrl+alt+f1 and see what happens |
| 05:37.37 | Kevin` | and play with the buttons |
| 05:37.38 | DavidProck1981 | i cant make the message go awat |
| 05:37.42 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 05:37.51 | markybob | ...fbset... |
| 05:37.59 | enouf | Vasistha: right now, on this kernel and buggy p2 BIOS, I just disable all acpi with sysv-rc-conf .. much easier ;-) |
| 05:38.11 | Kevin` | how are you supposed to change the resolution on a normal computer system without seeing what your doing? |
| 05:38.19 | enouf | Vasistha: er .. teh acpi , acpid modules and shit .. not the bios interface |
| 05:38.19 | markybob | ssh ? |
| 05:38.26 | Kevin` | windows users don't have ssh heh :) |
| 05:38.35 | markybob | i also dont support windows users |
| 05:38.42 | markybob | i havent a clue what those fuckers do |
| 05:38.44 | Vasistha | whooooa, that was weird ... I turned on the radio 20 minutes ago and they were just broadcasting silence ... and then the announcer came on and said something ... voice out of nowhere ... hehheh |
| 05:39.13 | DavidProck1981 | Kevinm intill the GUI gets loaded i cant see any thing |
| 05:39.23 | Vasistha | enouf: you think it's easier or more reliable with sysv-rc-conf than with module blacklisting? |
| 05:39.27 | Kevin` | how do you do bios stuff? |
| 05:39.47 | Kevin` | how did you install debian, for that matter :) |
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| 05:39.55 | DavidProck1981 | well actuaally i can see the bios, and the grub menu...... |
| 05:39.58 | markybob | it's just his framebuffer being set wrong, damnit. thus fbset. |
| 05:40.15 | DavidProck1981 | and just a few lines of the loading process |
| 05:40.28 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 Hmm, there's probably a way you can get the kernel to display like that without resetting the resolution |
| 05:40.38 | DavidProck1981 | but when the res changes during the loading process i cant see |
| 05:40.50 | Kevin` | why does the res change during the loading process? |
| 05:40.52 | enouf | Vasistha: well .. for mr it is . i installed powersaved, and even blacklisting those didn't help me much on this p2 using 2.6.16, so i ended up removing that pkg |
| 05:40.58 | markybob | because it loads framebuffer! |
| 05:41.02 | enouf | s/mr/me |
| 05:41.04 | Kevin` | your solution might be to NOT use framebuffer, instead of configuring it :) |
| 05:41.06 | markybob | damnit. i wont say it a sixth time |
| 05:41.22 | enouf | se7en ? |
| 05:41.22 | Vasistha | markybob: I feel your frustration :D |
| 05:41.26 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:41.45 | DavidProck1981 | framebuffer, what do i do, i will follow your every insturction |
| 05:41.48 | DavidProck1981 | No manual entry for fbset |
| 05:41.48 | CcSsNET | kevin' still doing that debian install? |
| 05:41.50 | markybob | Vasistha: the fucked up part is that i'm already on heart medication. #debian's gonna kill me |
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| 05:42.04 | markybob | did you fucking install fbset first, like i said? |
| 05:42.17 | DavidProck1981 | oh install it ok brb |
| 05:42.20 | Kevin` | CcSsNET I have this computer working pretty well now, i'm currently compiling madwifi to try an abg cardbus card |
| 05:42.24 | markybob | fuck. LISTEN |
| 05:42.37 | JunoDewar | fuck yeah |
| 05:42.37 | CcSsNET | did what i recommend help at all? or what was the issue? |
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| 05:42.54 | Kevin` | CcSsNET it did, actually, I found the module needed for the pcmcia bridge |
| 05:43.03 | CcSsNET | nice |
| 05:43.16 | DavidProck1981 | ok it is installing , then what will i do |
| 05:43.16 | enouf | I told myself i'd rewrite my silly DSDT one of these days, but sigh, haven't yet got around to it |
| 05:43.20 | JunoDewar | I have a lame question but please help because I have a headache and my eyes are bleeding, Have a pity mkay? |
| 05:43.31 | JunoDewar | what process Azureus uses? |
| 05:43.36 | CcSsNET | markybob takes tech talk seriously, we should get him a job in tech support |
| 05:43.45 | JunoDewar | so that I could kill that bastard already |
| 05:43.49 | CcSsNET | anyone hiring? |
| 05:44.04 | JunoDewar | please I'm dieing, help |
| 05:44.07 | Kevin` | this thing compiles almost as slow as my router, though |
| 05:44.09 | pmv | JunoDewar: java |
| 05:44.14 | sussudio | %fist JunoDewar |
| 05:44.17 | CcSsNET | junodewar, heres an idea |
| 05:44.19 | enouf | heh |
| 05:44.29 | JunoDewar | Yeah I thought so, but no |
| 05:44.29 | CcSsNET | ps aux | grep azureus |
| 05:44.30 | pmv | JunoDewar: see for yourself -- ps auxww | grep -i azureus |
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| 05:44.57 | enouf | htop that shit ;-) |
| 05:45.03 | CcSsNET | whowatch it! |
| 05:45.11 | CcSsNET | smack it with some atop |
| 05:45.15 | enouf | tehn apt-get remove --purge :-) |
| 05:45.20 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 05:45.29 | JunoDewar | okay I think that's a thing you said to me |
| 05:45.56 | Kevin` | JunoDewar just look for the id in ps aux and kill it, or do killall azureus or however it's spelled |
| 05:46.13 | CcSsNET | yea kevins last sugestion is fastest |
| 05:46.15 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 05:46.15 | JunoDewar | How do I kill fucking java? it says no process? |
| 05:46.32 | JunoDewar | Kevin`: I did that already |
| 05:46.36 | enouf | the beast that wouldn't die .. |
| 05:46.47 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: find the ppid, the parent process id, and kill that. |
| 05:46.49 | CcSsNET | junodewar, you are someone that would benifit greatly from a program called WHOWATCH |
| 05:46.53 | CcSsNET | apt-get that |
| 05:47.04 | CcSsNET | or compile fro msource just look into it already |
| 05:47.11 | JunoDewar | mkay |
| 05:48.19 | CcSsNET | o o wait debian haha |
| 05:48.25 | CcSsNET | >.> |
| 05:48.27 | CcSsNET | <.< |
| 05:48.29 | pmv | yah dude |
| 05:48.35 | enouf | sussudio: what happened to badger(s) (is that the correct bot?) |
| 05:48.35 | Kevin` | cross your fingers, if I disappear in a second blame madwifi |
| 05:48.37 | pmv | those debains really rock |
| 05:48.46 | CcSsNET | ok kevin' |
| 05:49.37 | Kevin` | hmm, seems to be working nicely actually :) |
| 05:49.56 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.05 | enouf | go for 16 |
| 05:50.08 | sussudio | enouf: debian broke mysql in an upgrade |
| 05:50.15 | enouf | ouch :-( |
| 05:50.53 | DavidProck1981 | hay can u tell me ohw to use fbset i got it installed now |
| 05:51.01 | enouf | !comfort sussudio and badgers |
| 05:51.01 | dpkg | There, there, sussudio and badgers. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:51.43 | liable | sussudio: out of interest, what problem are you having? |
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| 05:52.04 | sussudio | liable: it gets stuck during upgrade. |
| 05:52.19 | liable | sussudio: starting mysqld? |
| 05:52.29 | sussudio | liable: either starting or stopping |
| 05:52.57 | liable | sussudio: hrm, if you start it, does it create a socket file? |
| 05:53.10 | sussudio | muh? |
| 05:53.23 | liable | sussudio: bash -x the init script |
| 05:53.29 | sussudio | Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-1) ... |
| 05:53.29 | sussudio | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 05:53.36 | sussudio | after that it just idles. |
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| 05:53.47 | liable | oh |
| 05:54.29 | JunoDewar | The FUCKER is dead, thank you o great debian community!! |
| 05:54.45 | liable | eh? |
| 05:55.04 | CcSsNET | brb |
| 05:55.05 | JunoDewar | I was rejoicing my victory |
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| 05:56.26 | pmv | rofl |
| 05:56.32 | pmv | what finally did im, JunoDewar? |
| 05:57.15 | JunoDewar | that handy app mr.Ccsnet advised me |
| 05:57.59 | Kevin` | after a small amount of traffic I get this: any ideas? |
| 05:58.01 | Kevin` | [O/2 N/723 I/0 V/0 F/0] [U:a:S:b:h] |
| 05:58.03 | Kevin` | erm |
| 05:58.03 | Kevin` | wait |
| 05:58.08 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: man fbset |
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| 05:58.15 | Kevin` | wifi0: rx FIFO overrun; resetting |
| 05:58.15 | Kevin` | wifi0: ath_reset: unable to reset hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected |
| 05:58.16 | Kevin` | ' (HAL status 3) |
| 05:58.25 | Vasistha | Kevin`: dude, pastebin!! |
| 06:01.09 | liable | Kevin`: is that 0.9.3? |
| 06:01.21 | Kevin` | yes it is |
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| 06:02.00 | liable | Kevin`: i have reverted to 0.9.2, 0.9.3 and the svn seems to have to many problems |
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| 06:02.15 | Kevin` | 0.9.2.1 or whatever it was? |
| 06:02.28 | liable | Kevin`: the last madwifi-source package |
| 06:02.55 | liable | dunno exactly what version |
| 06:02.57 | Kevin` | the current madwifi-source from debian? |
| 06:03.01 | Kevin` | or is the current 3 |
| 06:03.17 | Kevin` | i'll just get it from sf |
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| 06:03.39 | liable | no, the previous version to whats there now |
| 06:04.23 | JunoDewar | kinda ironic, that after I handily killed java with whowatch I had to kill whowatch too, because of it transforming into 99%cpu consuming zombie, that's just how life flows |
| 06:04.31 | scott | I just ran apt-get and a boatload of stuff updated...now...I can't load X....I get "Ring buffer allocation failed"..for I810 |
| 06:05.05 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: maybe try something like ps ax --forest |
| 06:05.18 | JunoDewar | Everything is fine now dude |
| 06:05.33 | JunoDewar | I have killed everything |
| 06:05.37 | Vasistha | scott: were you previously running sarge, and did you just upgrade to etch? |
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| 06:07.19 | undesktop | Vasistha: no |
| 06:07.44 | scott | Vasistha yes, I think it refers to that... |
| 06:07.54 | Vasistha | hmm, conflicting messages! |
| 06:08.24 | \amethyst | I think "ring buffer" just means a circular queue |
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| 06:09.16 | JunoDewar | I should probably ask in a different channel, but is there a way to 'emulate' different booktype on dvd than that what is written on it? |
| 06:09.23 | scott | \amethyst ok.....how might I resolve it.... |
| 06:09.33 | Vasistha | scott: well, if you were running sarge, and your sources.list was pointed to 'stable' rather than 'sarge' ... then you should probably be doing a 'dist-upgrade' rather than a plain old 'upgrade' ... and you should also probably read the release notes before doing such an upgrade. |
| 06:09.49 | sussudio | Apr 15 08:08:19 ferret mysqld_safe[6382]: ERROR: 1062 Duplicate entry 'localhost-root' for key 1 |
| 06:09.52 | sussudio | muhh. |
| 06:10.00 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: booktype? Like, region code? |
| 06:10.24 | scott | Vasistha I had run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and it resulted from that....massive upgrade |
| 06:10.38 | JunoDewar | for example I have old physicaly DVD+ROM stupidly written with DVD-ROM booktype |
| 06:10.59 | JunoDewar | for 'compatibility' as I was advised |
| 06:11.06 | DocPlatypus | JunoDewar: does the disc still read? |
| 06:11.06 | Vasistha | scott: you know, I ran into trouble myself during that process, and I managed to get it back on track by issuing apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 06:11.19 | JunoDewar | but now it doesnt work because of it |
| 06:11.19 | scott | Vasistha ok, trying that noe |
| 06:11.21 | scott | now |
| 06:11.32 | DocPlatypus | I'm not that sure where and how booktype comes into play, I'm still using CD-Rs myself |
| 06:11.52 | JunoDewar | no it can't find filesystem |
| 06:11.54 | Vasistha | scott: eek, I should have given you some kind of disclaimer, I don't necessarily know if that's a good idea |
| 06:12.09 | sussudio | !dbugs 418113 |
| 06:12.12 | scott | Vasistha when invoke 'apt-get -f dist-upgrade' I get a response that it's all up to date |
| 06:12.13 | dpkg | #418113:N[mysql-server-5.0] ERROR: 1062 Duplicate entry 'localhost-root' for key 1; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:30:02 UTC |
| 06:12.39 | DocPlatypus | JunoDewar: burn another copy with the right booktype, and enjoy your new coaster |
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| 06:13.01 | JunoDewar | eh, I dont have that data now |
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| 06:13.27 | JunoDewar | it's about 15 DVDs written with wrong booktype, a real bummer you know |
| 06:13.32 | Vasistha | scott: ahh, clearly your problem is different from mine ;-) Mine actually involved apt-get totally crashing out. I wonder if there's anything special in your XF86Config that you need to put into your xorg.conf or if you perhaps need to run drxx? |
| 06:13.48 | scott | Vasistha what is 'drxx'? |
| 06:13.52 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 06:13.52 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 06:16.28 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: seems like it ought to be possible to, e.g., use dd to copy the data, somehow fix it, and burn another disc. What happened to your headache? |
| 06:16.50 | JunoDewar | It's fixed now I think |
| 06:16.59 | JunoDewar | my headache |
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| 06:18.52 | liable | debuuging stuff quite often makes my head literally ache |
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| 06:18.59 | JunoDewar | yeah, I'm gonna try dd, but traversing without fs will be hell |
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| 06:19.30 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: well, before you even bother, you should see if you can figure out how to change that booktype bit/byte/code/whatever |
| 06:20.00 | JunoDewar | I don't now on what level I should change it |
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| 06:20.13 | JunoDewar | it' not that I can write on dvd again |
| 06:20.45 | DocPlatypus | oy |
| 06:20.49 | JunoDewar | maybe some kernel trick or remounting something |
| 06:22.03 | aztec105 | hello all. I had been running etch before the officeial release happened on the 8th susequently ran an update after the 8th with apt still set to testing. etc/issue now reads that I am running Debian Lenny/Sid how can I fix this, I have now set apt to update from the etch repositories |
| 06:22.03 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: of course, if the copying is going to take a while, it probably won't hurt to start the dd process and do the research while it copies ... I mean, it sounds like the dvd is about as useful as a hard drive with a broken spindle that needs data rescued from it. You just want to grab the data and then put it on something else that works. |
| 06:22.03 | DocPlatypus | aztec105: you have to go downgrade everything from lenny/sid back to etch |
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| 06:22.34 | aztec105 | DocPlatypus: can't see any real changes other than in the "issue" file... kernel headers, image are still the same |
| 06:22.49 | DocPlatypus | well something got changed |
| 06:23.27 | jdavis_ | I am trying to write a udev rule to keep the permissions of /dev/net/tun at 0660 and the group as "kvm". My rule says: KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="kvm", MODE="0660". Anything wrong with that? |
| 06:23.28 | Vasistha | aztec105: well, do you know which packages were upgraded? If you remove testing from your sources.list, and update, then aptitude might be very helpful! |
| 06:23.52 | liable | libc6 is a killer |
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| 06:24.19 | aztec105 | Vasistha: set apt to update from testing to etch and ran apt with no further updates |
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| 06:25.05 | aztec105 | Vasistha: uname -r-v gives 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP which is the current kernal for Etch |
| 06:25.31 | Vasistha | aztec105: yeah, and looking at p.d.o it appears that stable and testing still have the same libc6, so that's really good news for you |
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| 06:25.58 | Sazpaimon | ok so guys |
| 06:26.02 | Sazpaimon | mysql or pgsql |
| 06:26.09 | Sazpaimon | what should I use |
| 06:26.14 | Sazpaimon | in general, that is |
| 06:26.24 | Vasistha | aztec105: did you do apt-get update ? |
| 06:26.33 | Vasistha | !tell Sazpaimon -about enter |
| 06:27.20 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: mysql will probably suit all your needs, unless you're doing something unusual ... and if you have to ask such a question, you're probably not doing anything so unusual ;-) |
| 06:27.27 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: I'm a big advocate of pgsql |
| 06:27.42 | solar_sea | use sqlite :) |
| 06:27.53 | aztec105 | Vasistha: yes |
| 06:27.58 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: PostgreSQL follows the standards more closely and has less surprising behavior for me. |
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| 06:28.08 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, notjing unusual, just some webhosting, a few invisionbpards, some CMS |
| 06:28.15 | aztec105 | last update I did on the 10th only updated these files xdg-utils libdjvulibre15 libneon25 openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-calc python-uno openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-math openoffice.org |
| 06:28.16 | Sazpaimon | *invisionboards |
| 06:28.50 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: well, you should probably ask jdavis_ ... I don't actually have any experience with pgsql, was just passing on advice a friend gave me when I asked the same question |
| 06:29.26 | Sazpaimon | I've been using mysql for a while now, I've just been wondering what the advantages of pgsql would give me |
| 06:29.47 | Sazpaimon | at the same time I don't want to learn a whole new line of syntaxes |
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| 06:30.53 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: It's hard for me to give a short answer on this one... but I really think if you try out the postgresql syntax and available functions you'll be very happy. |
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| 06:31.32 | Vasistha | szarak: google( mysql postgresql better ) returned this first result: http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/article.php/3288951 |
| 06:31.42 | Vasistha | oops, sorry szarak -- I meant Sazpaimon |
| 06:31.43 | aztec105 | Vasistha: last update I did on the 10th only updated these files xdg-utils libdjvulibre15 libneon25 openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-calc python-uno openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-math openoffice.org |
| 06:31.56 | Sazpaimon | Mmm. My main concern is with performance. With mysql I can occasionallyt get unessecary spikes in cpu usage |
| 06:31.59 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: one clear win in my opinion is PostgreSQL's cost-based optimizer. |
| 06:32.11 | Vasistha | aztec105: yeah, I heard you the first time. Please don't repeat... |
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| 06:32.37 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, I read that article, kind of. I noticed the disclaimer where the author admitted his bias |
| 06:32.47 | CcSsNET_ | so did kevin' ever show back up? |
| 06:32.52 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: it statistically analyzes your data continuously by sampling, and then uses that to choose good plans. MySQL has a rule-based optimizer which is much more primitive. |
| 06:32.54 | aztec105 | Vasistha: My apologies, thought you may have missed as I had not addressed you directly |
| 06:32.57 | Kevin` | ?? |
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| 06:34.36 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: If you're interested in databases in general I recommend pretty much any book by C.J. Date. He really changed the way I think about databases. He's mostly relational theory though, not SQL. |
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| 06:36.34 | jdavis_ | Sazpaimon: I'll stop flooding the channel with postgres stuff... but if you have more questions send me a private message or ask the people in #postgresql. |
| 06:36.42 | gg_hp57 | i installed the nvidia driver, but it seems i don't have 3D capablility because the "cosmos" screensaver doen't fade seemsly. ideas? |
| 06:36.45 | xingu | Sazpaimon: unless you're talking about a trivial database that fits in cache, service times will tend to be coloured mostly by IO design in practice |
| 06:37.31 | gg_hp57 | do i have to install any other packages for this to work properly? |
| 06:38.19 | jdavis_ | xingu: performance is also highly dependent on the plan the optimizer chooses. SQL is highly optimizable at a semantic level, it's not always about I/O speed. |
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| 06:39.22 | Vasistha | aztec105: ...and I was hoping someone else might pick it up, because I have no experience doing what you need to do :P I would, however, recommend using aptitude, if you are not doing that already. You'll need to downgrade openoffice and that other stuff; in fact, you might even consider removing+purging those packages and then reinstalling the stable versions. |
| 06:39.31 | xingu | jdavis_: only if you normalise your data ;) |
| 06:39.49 | Vasistha | aztec105: however, I really don't know how to change /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version |
| 06:40.01 | xingu | jdavis_: the average app I see in my dayjob is still stuck doing the "gimme all of everything" query plan inside nested loops. |
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| 06:41.19 | nocti | hello what pkgs do i need to have a kernel source and the tools to compile it? thanks |
| 06:41.45 | aztec105 | Vasistha: OK no problem Thanks for your assistance! |
| 06:41.47 | Vasistha | !kp |
| 06:41.47 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:41.51 | xingu | jdavis_: then again I guess I only tend to go looking at systems when their performance metrics indicate a certain amount of smoke about to escape so maybe that experience is a little tainted |
| 06:41.51 | jdavis_ | xingu: very true. If you use an RDBMS as a record-storage engine, the database can't optimize that much. If you actually use queries, it can though. |
| 06:42.10 | nocti | thanks Vasistha |
| 06:42.22 | \amethyst | nocti: the kernel source itself is in the binary package linux-source-{version} |
| 06:42.25 | jdavis_ | xingu: That makes sense. Sometimes there's nothing you can do about the app also. |
| 06:42.34 | xingu | apart from swear at it. :) |
| 06:43.02 | xingu | although these shiny new 16-32GB solid state disks that the notebook guys are looking at have another interesting application ;) |
| 06:43.05 | \amethyst | nocti: that gives you a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ that you must extract |
| 06:43.10 | nocti | \amethyst: so i need to get linux-source-xxx too? |
| 06:43.11 | Vasistha | aztec105: yeah, you're welcome. it's a sticky situation, trying to downgrade -- you see, because package maintainers provide upgrade paths, but not downgrade paths (mostly because there's very little demand for downgrade paths, so why would you do extra work to provide something almost noone needs?) -- but it's very fortunate that only a few packages have been upgraded. |
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| 06:44.02 | jdavis_ | xingu: I don't have any experience with those solid-state disks. |
| 06:44.13 | \amethyst | nocti: You could download it yourself too. You probably want to use the debian config (cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config) |
| 06:44.14 | Vasistha | nocti: although I should also point out this one: |
| 06:44.16 | Vasistha | !kernel mantra |
| 06:44.16 | dpkg | use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out |
| 06:45.39 | \amethyst | nocti: If you use any third-party modules, you should get their -kernel-source or whatever packages and use module-assistant |
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| 06:46.11 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 06:46.12 | xingu | jdavis_: coming soon to a low-power notebook near you; 2.5" form factor pata "hard disk" based on nand with wear levelling; samsung and tdk both have announced product (not shipping yet though I think) |
| 06:46.16 | sussudio | !maint mysql-server-5 |
| 06:46.22 | nocti | so compiling the kernel is rarely necessary unless i have something i need to enable that the debian default config left out? is that what you're saying Vasistha? |
| 06:46.32 | xingu | jdavis_: just the thing for a transaction log volume ;) |
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| 06:46.57 | aztec105 | Vasistha: heh Could always wait for etch to catch up to Lenny :) |
| 06:47.20 | Vasistha | nocti: yes. And it's pretty unlikely that something was left out of the default config. Also, you can use module-assistant to add a missing module |
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| 06:47.32 | aztec105 | Vasistha: it is not a serious issue, it is just messing with webmin :) |
| 06:47.45 | nocti | ok. thanks Vasistha, \amethyst :) |
| 06:48.17 | jdavis_ | xingu: that sounds like it would work nicely. How would something like that compare to just having a battery-backed 256MB cache and a decent I/O system? I understand the throughput on those solid-states aren't quite as good. |
| 06:50.11 | xingu | jdavis_: much of a muchness in terms of retiring iops but the risk is always that your cache is (statistically, timewise) polluted with data for logical volumes that are not your transaction logs |
| 06:51.01 | xingu | jdavis_: also, not necessarily applicable to transaction log of course but for index space you *also* want unread data to have as low a seek time as humanely possible - and this is one way to reduce it by an order of magnitude or two |
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| 06:52.44 | jdavis_ | xingu: right, low seek time is good. |
| 06:52.59 | xingu | jdavis_: if you have a battery backed storage unit dedicated to your transaction logs there wouldn't be much to pick and choose between them - but that's pricey |
| 06:53.18 | xingu | jdavis_: if you don't, you can easily get screwed with contention |
| 06:54.04 | xingu | jdavis_: and pricey verses the $2-3k (? guess) that these commodity parts are likely to ship at.. hmm... :) |
| 06:55.47 | jdavis_ | xingu: What about a PERC/5i raid card... battery backed 256MB cache at a reasonable price. You don't need battery backed write cache for the data files, just the logs. |
| 06:56.44 | xingu | "benchmark it" is usually my answer at this point. :) |
| 06:57.56 | xingu | I confess a heavy skepticism toward tricky host adapters; bitten far too hard by them becoming bottlenecks or contributing to instability over the years |
| 06:58.02 | jdavis_ | xingu: yeah, I was just curious your experience with the solid state. A lot of people are talking about it, but I don't know much more than that. |
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| 06:58.44 | jdavis_ | xingu: Or sometimes the raid controllers are just plain dumb ;) |
| 06:58.45 | xingu | gimme a nice clean IO controller that knows how to reliably take block requests and deliver them without adding latency or firmware bugs. |
| 06:58.50 | xingu | :) |
| 06:59.21 | xingu | I don't mind if the target is complex, adds spice to life; but for me, not the IO controller |
| 06:59.54 | xingu | target is usually designed with known constraints in terms of backplane fabric anyway; the IO controller never really knows what it's intended to be attached to |
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| 07:00.20 | xingu | for me, the smarts always belong on the far end of that cable if anywhere |
| 07:00.23 | jdavis_ | xingu: that's a good point. |
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| 07:00.55 | cartesian1984 | Is there a noticable speed difference on the desktop between Etch and Lenny? |
| 07:01.11 | xingu | it's better to engineer to not generate unnecessary bus traffic in the first place than suppress them from hitting the wire in controller cache |
| 07:02.47 | aztec105 | exit |
| 07:02.49 | aztec105 | exit |
| 07:02.55 | xingu | jdavis_: re: solid state; DEC back in the day were shipping a 16GB scsi-40 "disk" pack that was basically a load of DIMMS and a gelpack battery; I've held a vax's hand that had one of those fitted for a while |
| 07:03.24 | Kevin` | ooh nice |
| 07:03.40 | xingu | jdavis_: it took a long, long time before the replacement design could match its transactional throughput - was finally just outpaced by faster spindles and busses. |
| 07:03.44 | jdavis_ | xingu: ooh.. I haven't touched anything like that. |
| 07:04.37 | scott | Vasistha still around? any other ideas? it's this solitary error...after gdm tries to load, fails and then gives the xserver error messages |
| 07:04.41 | xingu | jdavis_: I'm keen to play that game again, and it looks likely that might be in the next few years |
| 07:06.03 | Vasistha | scott: I'm unlikely to be able to help you, but a full-on log would probably be helpful. Let me see if I can figure out what log file you should paste |
| 07:06.06 | scott | Sargun do you run debian? I am having trouble getting gdm to load.... |
| 07:06.09 | xingu | jdavis_: http://research.microsoft.com/users/GBell/Digital/timeline/1991-6.htm |
| 07:06.27 | scott | Vasistha ok, holding here |
| 07:06.36 | Vasistha | scott: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 07:07.36 | jdavis_ | xingu: nice! |
| 07:07.47 | scott | Vasistha ok, I am running in character mode..no gui here..how do I paste to pastebin, or otherwise? |
| 07:08.03 | scott | Vasistha would a /query window work? |
| 07:08.08 | cafuego | with a text mode browser |
| 07:08.27 | Vasistha | scott: uhm use a text-based browser like elinks, and use a pastebin that will accept a file upload to paste |
| 07:08.51 | Vasistha | scott: heh, I know, everything's a PITA w/out gui, huh? :D |
| 07:09.15 | scott | a PITA? |
| 07:09.39 | nitrobit | Hi.. I have a debian box with a very small partition for /boot. I want to move the content of this partition to a directory on the root partition and umount the dedicated /boot partition to get more space for /boot. What do I need to do to make i work ? move the content and change the bootflag in fdisk ? Anything else I', missing ? |
| 07:11.21 | \amethyst | You don't need file upload |
| 07:11.55 | Vasistha | nitrobit: parted ... but be careful. Do you have unpartitioned space adjacent to boot's partition? |
| 07:12.02 | \amethyst | if you use elinks you can edit a textarea and press ctrl-t to open it in $EDITOR |
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| 07:12.12 | nitrobit | valdyn; no |
| 07:13.35 | \amethyst | it's ctrl-x e in lynx |
| 07:14.52 | Vasistha | nitrobit: yeah, you're going to have to work on your tab-completion there ;-) anyway-- if you want to make /boot bigger, but there is no unpartitioned space adjacent to it, you'll either have to move it to a different physical location on the drive, or resize another partition to make room. So this quickly gets tricky :P Maybe you want to pastebin your fdisk -l and /etc/fstab ? |
| 07:16.45 | nitrobit | Vasistha; but.. All i need to to here is move the /boot folder to another drive.. umount /boot partition.. rename the new directory to /boot (since it's place on the root partition) and update boot flag in fdisk from the /boot partition to the / partition ? |
| 07:17.25 | Vasistha | nitrobit: oh, you don't need a bigger boot partition. You want to just do away with your boot partition and let it reside on your root partition |
| 07:17.36 | scott | Supaplex nothing special about my config...for xserver, right? |
| 07:17.49 | nitrobit | Vasistha; /boot is full.. med / (root) has a lot of free space |
| 07:17.56 | nitrobit | med = but |
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| 07:18.08 | Vasistha | nitrobit: uh, yes, I gather -- do you want me to repeat what I just said? |
| 07:18.17 | scott | Supaplex all I know is that it was running...booted up gdm just fine, and then i did this massive apt-get dist-upgrade and Pow....just character mode now |
| 07:18.25 | Supaplex | scott: if not, just move it asside, purge, install again. why, is there something wrong? |
| 07:18.41 | Vasistha | nitrobit: you don't want a boot partition. Just to make sure -- you're not using LVM or anything, are you? |
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| 07:19.03 | nitrobit | no, not using LVM |
| 07:19.14 | Supaplex | scott: what do you see, as far as messages/errors/notices etc in relation to it? |
| 07:19.22 | scott | Supaplex when I boot up, I notice it invoking gdm and then it attempts....and fails..and gives I810(0) Ring buffer allocation failure.... that's the error....which it says is why gdm and gui won't start |
| 07:19.36 | scott | there's the error message.... |
| 07:19.55 | scott | Supaplex 'ring buffer allocation failed' |
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| 07:20.30 | scott | Supaplex they all point to the same issue.....you are talking in /var/log, right? |
| 07:20.53 | Supaplex | i'm poking around on google. yea, those are helpful to. |
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| 07:22.07 | Supaplex | scott: how much video ram did you allocate for this card? |
| 07:22.24 | Vasistha | nitrobit: alright, so here's what you should do: umount /boot; mount it somewhere else, e.g. /mnt/oldboot; change your /etc/fstab to reflect the change; cp -ai /mnt/oldboot/* /boot/; and then we get to the point of testing out the new system and changing the MBR |
| 07:23.08 | nitrobit | what tool is used to update MBR ? |
| 07:23.15 | nitrobit | lilo ? |
| 07:23.16 | scott | Supaplex it defaults to 2048 when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:23.34 | Vasistha | nitrobit: do you use grub or lilo? if lilo... I don't know. if grub, update-grub |
| 07:23.57 | nitrobit | i think you just run lilo |
| 07:24.11 | nitrobit | that's what you have to do each time you change something in lilo.conf |
| 07:24.25 | Supaplex | scott: kb I presume. if you can, try allocating 16 or 32mb from the bios. we can lower it again later after we isolate a few things. |
| 07:24.27 | nitrobit | but i guess i have to move the boot flag in fdisk |
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| 07:24.50 | Vasistha | nitrobit: I don't think the boot flag is important, except for windoze. I don't think lilo or linux cares. |
| 07:24.59 | nitrobit | ok |
| 07:25.00 | scott | Supaplex I just ran dmesg and get this > [drm:i810_unlock] ERROR *Process 3905 using kernel context 0 |
| 07:25.11 | nocti | is there another way to update debian other than "apt-get update"? |
| 07:25.34 | scott | Supaplex so I'd need to reboot to do that, 32 mb from the bios? |
| 07:25.35 | Supaplex | nocti: aptitude. |
| 07:25.41 | liable | aptitude, dselect, synaptic |
| 07:25.41 | JunoDewar | scott: what kernel you use? the one provided with update? |
| 07:25.41 | \amethyst | scott: you don't have to reboot |
| 07:25.52 | \amethyst | scott: Use the VideoRam setting in xorg.conf |
| 07:25.54 | Supaplex | scott: yes. I'm not sure about the drm: business. that's a mystery for me. |
| 07:26.15 | scott | JunoDewar kernel is 2.6.7 debian 3.1 |
| 07:26.19 | \amethyst | scott: is the agpgart module loaded? |
| 07:26.19 | Supaplex | what if his bios is only allocating a little? |
| 07:26.40 | scott | \amethyst oh, so run through dpkg-recon again? |
| 07:26.46 | \amethyst | Supaplex: That's what agpgart is for |
| 07:26.50 | nocti | Supaplex: how about using another distro to update a non-connected debian box? |
| 07:26.55 | scott | \amethyst pretty sure it is...hold on |
| 07:27.01 | \amethyst | scott: yeah, and tell it 64MB if you have that much to spare |
| 07:27.32 | nitrobit | Vasistha; umount: /boot: device is busy |
| 07:27.39 | scott | \amethyst yeah, loaded.it show apgart 33352 2 intel_agp |
| 07:27.50 | Supaplex | nocti: I'm not really sure. however dpkg -i can install them from disk/cd/etc. |
| 07:27.58 | nocti | Supaplex: ok thanks |
| 07:28.11 | Vasistha | nitrobit: make sure you don't have any consoles that have it as PWD, or any file browser windows opened to it, or anything like that. |
| 07:28.23 | liable | fucking roof is leaking |
| 07:28.36 | Supaplex | liable: man patch. ;) |
| 07:28.41 | liable | heh |
| 07:28.47 | \amethyst | nitrobit: fuser /boot |
| 07:29.19 | scott | \amethyst I am running dpkg-rec .. and am at the 'amount of memory (kb) to be used by the video card..is that where I set it to 16mb? |
| 07:29.39 | nitrobit | amet; found it :) |
| 07:30.02 | Vasistha | \amethyst: thank you for that! I have been looking for the fuser command for *years* |
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| 07:33.03 | Supaplex | Vasistha: there's lsof to |
| 07:33.36 | scott | \amethyst once the reconfigure has finished...do I just try again to start gdm? |
| 07:33.43 | Vasistha | Supaplex: yeah, that's what someone recommended to me way back when ... but I think fuser is much better for what I usually need |
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| 07:34.29 | scott | Vasistha \amethyst's suggestion to boost the memory seems to have allowed it to load the gui now....thanks a bunch |
| 07:34.53 | Vasistha | scott: oh, wow, I never would have figured that out ;-) great! |
| 07:35.32 | Supaplex | scott: cool. I was warm, but \amethyst was spot on. =) |
| 07:35.50 | JunoDewar | about my DVD problem, dd can't read anything, says input/output error as if there is no dvd inserted at all and google is no friend, I am screwed at this point right? |
| 07:36.02 | Supaplex | !640 |
| 07:36.04 | Supaplex | !640kb |
| 07:36.06 | Supaplex | !640k |
| 07:36.06 | dpkg | Bill Gates personally assured me 640K should be enough for ANYONE! Yay Bill! |
| 07:36.33 | scott | Supaplex just wondering though...... since the video is onboard..on motherboard. I guess as long as I tell it enough to load..since it pulls from system RAM...it shouldn't degrade performance, right? |
| 07:36.44 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: did you try reading directly from the device, not from the mount point? |
| 07:36.59 | JunoDewar | That's exactly what I do |
| 07:37.05 | Supaplex | scott: use what you need. you'll need more for 3d applications and games. |
| 07:38.07 | JunoDewar | It's probably something bigger than just booktype problem I guess |
| 07:38.12 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: damn. The firmware is probably incapable of reading a badly formatted disk -- and when a disk it marked one way, but has a different format on it, that is a badly formatted disk. You might need some kind of specialty dvd drive to read that thing |
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| 07:38.36 | Supaplex | haha 2.2.3.1 is showing its age. http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/howto.html |
| 07:39.13 | Sweetandy | !linux |
| 07:39.13 | dpkg | linux is probably closed |
| 07:39.40 | JunoDewar | The thing is, that previously it could read those dvds, for example my old debian boot disk was written with wrong type too and I installed it from with no problems |
| 07:40.21 | Sweetandy | !grub |
| 07:40.21 | dpkg | i guess grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 07:40.24 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA broke |
| 07:40.33 | JunoDewar | but after that It started degrading or something, because I had reinsert it repeatedly for him to recognise fs |
| 07:40.37 | GhostlyDeath | No sound, even on restarts |
| 07:40.55 | Sweetandy | Who wants to hear a bad joke? "I'm going to go get some lilo. I mean, grub." |
| 07:41.03 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: Can you open a mixer? |
| 07:41.05 | JunoDewar | and that happened with all DVD+ROM marked as DVD-ROMs |
| 07:41.16 | nitrobit | Vasistha; it worked great.. thanks for all help |
| 07:41.17 | Supaplex | Sweetandy: sounds like you're up too late. |
| 07:41.21 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 07:41.31 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: and nothing's muted? |
| 07:41.45 | GhostlyDeath | I force-restarted alsa and restarted alsa-utils |
| 07:41.49 | GhostlyDeath | maybe that did it? |
| 07:41.50 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: do you get error when you try to play sound, or does it play, just without sound? |
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| 07:41.59 | GhostlyDeath | oh yeah, that worked |
| 07:42.12 | Vasistha | nitrobit: ah, you're welcome. You're sure you're actually booting from the new location? You might try inserting some kind of text to emphasize the different, so you're sure you are in fact booting from the one place -- before destroying the old partition ;-) |
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| 07:42.54 | liable | !test |
| 07:42.55 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:43.12 | nitrobit | Vasistha; already destroyed :) |
| 07:43.22 | liable | stupid jjj gone off line |
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| 07:45.52 | Sweetandy | !nethack |
| 07:45.52 | dpkg | well, nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
| 07:45.58 | Sweetandy | !zork |
| 07:45.59 | dpkg | from memory, zork is a good game derived from adventure, created by infocom |
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| 07:47.37 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 07:47.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 07:49.41 | Supaplex | this cardbus controller is sooo frustrating. |
| 07:49.42 | Supaplex | grr |
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| 07:52.06 | xingu | hmm, someone should add a surgeon general's warning to that nethack factoid |
| 07:53.23 | Supaplex | xingu: heh, why? |
| 07:54.02 | Vasistha | Supaplex: probably because it's so addictive. |
| 07:54.34 | Supaplex | ahh I see. Well, I'll get back to my series of desktop tower defense now. |
| 07:54.35 | xingu | it's up there with mud and irc in terms of career shattering addictions |
| 07:55.36 | Vasistha | not to mention insomnia, right? I think it's time for me to go to bed :P g'night |
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| 07:59.01 | schoppenhauer | hello. currently trying to configure my canon lide 30 using xsane. as root anything seems to work. as user i have already added me to the group "scanner", but still i cannot access that scanner. what else do i have to do? |
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| 08:00.25 | schoppenhauer | the last time it was enough to just add me to the group "scanner". |
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| 08:01.41 | xingu | schoppenhauer: you may have just stepped into the twilight zone, the dusk till dawn crew are hitting snooze o-clock and it's too damn early for most of the northern hemisphere |
| 08:01.45 | Supaplex | !lart hp omnibook 5700ct |
| 08:02.07 | xingu | Supaplex: what's the deal with your cardbus? |
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| 08:02.38 | Supaplex | xingu: it's a pos |
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| 08:03.42 | schoppenhauer | xingu: what? |
| 08:04.17 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: I think he's saying everyone is asleep |
| 08:04.23 | Supaplex | it's all hit or miss, and even then nothing's responding. I've tested a sandisk 1gb cf card in a pcmcia sled, multiple wireless cards, and a 2 port usb card. |
| 08:04.30 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: what is the scanner's device, and who owns it? |
| 08:04.55 | Supaplex | and I'm stuck w/o floppy, cdrom, and network. the usb is moot, because I don't think I have the stuff installed to make use of it either. |
| 08:04.56 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: i dont know. i cannot find the device, and xsane doesnt say it - as usual... |
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| 08:05.23 | Supaplex | but lsusb was bone try. no /dev/usb or /proc/bus/usb |
| 08:06.12 | xingu | Supaplex: some cardbus implementations no longer support 5V cards; you should still be able to use "lspcmcia config" to see what the card wants and what the socket supports |
| 08:06.13 | Supaplex | it's too bad I can't find my linksys 10/100mb ethernet adapter for it. I know that use to work. |
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| 08:06.41 | Supaplex | it's an old laptop, I'm sure it support 5v. |
| 08:06.57 | Supaplex | it has a mmx 166. :P |
| 08:07.18 | schoppenhauer | where can i find out whats the scanner's device? |
| 08:07.20 | xingu | Supaplex: ok fair do; the other classic issue from that vintage is needing to mask io ranges from being assigned to the controller |
| 08:07.24 | Supaplex | just fast enough to play mp3's if it's pretty idle. |
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| 08:07.49 | wathek | hello all |
| 08:07.57 | Supaplex | should I try some unmentionable os, just to inspect the hardware? |
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| 08:08.50 | wathek | what's the name of the package of kernel-2.6.18 (the package that comes with Debian Etche) ? |
| 08:09.34 | Supaplex | wathek: you mean Etch. They start with linux-image now. |
| 08:09.42 | xingu | Supaplex: pcmcia.opts - use the 0xc0000 memory range not 0xd0000 |
| 08:09.42 | wathek | Supaplex, ah ok |
| 08:09.53 | xingu | Supaplex: also, it's a i82365 controller; but you knew that right? |
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| 08:10.06 | wathek | Supaplex, thanx a lot |
| 08:10.11 | Supaplex | wathek: np |
| 08:10.27 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: what does scanimage -L say ? |
| 08:10.45 | Supaplex | xingu: I know it's a ti chipset. and kernel is using yenta_socket |
| 08:11.11 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: device `plustek:libusb:001:002' is a Canon N1240U/LiDE30 USB flatbed scanner |
| 08:11.24 | xingu | oh, whoops, I was looking at 5700, not 5700ct |
| 08:11.41 | bonez41 | Supaplex, \amethyst, again, thanks for the tips..to get my gui running again... |
| 08:12.24 | xingu | Supaplex: are you sure it's yenta? do you want to just try with i82365? |
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| 08:12.35 | Supaplex | xingu: lspci says it's a pci1131 chip |
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| 08:14.06 | Supaplex | yea, pci id is 104c:ac15, and the only match in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias is yenta_socket |
| 08:15.45 | Supaplex | I have no pcmcia.opts. it's running sarge. |
| 08:16.21 | xingu | Supaplex: should be in /etc/pcmcia/ |
| 08:16.27 | xingu | even on sarge. ;) |
| 08:16.52 | xingu | Supaplex: ok, make sure the 0x1000-0x17ff range is excluded, and use irq_list=4,5,12 |
| 08:17.32 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: what happens when you try running scanimage > file.ppm ? |
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| 08:18.06 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: as user: scanimage: no SANE devices found |
| 08:18.15 | Supaplex | I have config.opts, but no pcmcia.opts. plenty of related .opts in there to. |
| 08:18.20 | xingu | Supaplex: yeah ok config.opts |
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| 08:18.26 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: ah. as user also scanimage -L sais it didnt find scanners. |
| 08:18.28 | xingu | Supaplex: mea culpa, it's been a while eh |
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| 08:19.40 | Supaplex | that's ok. I have include memory and include port lines (and exclude irq |
| 08:20.06 | xingu | Supaplex: don't include the 0x1000-0x17ff port range |
| 08:20.08 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: does the device /dev/usbscanner exist? |
| 08:20.13 | xingu | Supaplex: and set irq_list=4,5,12 |
| 08:20.58 | xingu | Supaplex: excluding irq=3 might do the same thing; at that point, reboot to unscramble the wee beasty, and see what happens. |
| 08:21.21 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: no. |
| 08:21.36 | xingu | Supaplex: best guess would be it's been trying to assign the controller to irq 3, and that that irq line is already tied to the com port or similar. |
| 08:22.10 | Supaplex | the config is default. fa29265deae425e78d941c3803d923c7 sums on this laptop, and my workstation. (odd workstation, yea, it has 2 cardbus slots to!) |
| 08:22.50 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/Y3CnNp57.html |
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| 08:23.22 | xingu | Supaplex: uncomment exclude irq 3 then |
| 08:23.32 | xingu | Supaplex: try your luck with that |
| 08:23.50 | floundering | Hi, is there anything I can do to force the same /dev/sd? assignments every boot? with etch |
| 08:24.07 | xingu | Supaplex: if it can't assign an irq at that point, you may have to add include irq 12 |
| 08:24.12 | Supaplex | floundering: udev. drive serial numbers. |
| 08:24.54 | xingu | floundering: have a look in /dev/by-*/ |
| 08:25.06 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: what are the permissions on /proc/bus/usb/001/002 ? |
| 08:27.07 | row | How would I best go about replacing the hdd with the master boot record on (not does not contain /boot or anything) use installer to boot rescue and then re run grub-install ? |
| 08:27.07 | row | +mode |
| 08:27.51 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: -rw-r--r-- root root |
| 08:28.06 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: thus, anyone should be able to read. |
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| 08:28.55 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: It might require write access |
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| 08:29.18 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: sure, that its always 001/002 ? |
| 08:29.49 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: No, but that's what it is right now according to your scanimage -L output |
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| 08:30.27 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: Try chown root.scanner /proc/bus/usb/001/002; chmod 664 /proc/bus/usb/001/002 |
| 08:31.26 | Supaplex | xingu: the usb controller shows up in lspci now (it's done that before; hit and miss). the usb voip won't power up. usb memory stick is weak (removing it quick!) and I still cannot see my sandisk 1g cf card. :-/ |
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| 08:31.45 | liable | lol, i just caused my server to swap and thrash for a good five minutes with ab -kc 1000 the poor thing is still thrashing |
| 08:31.48 | Supaplex | it's in cardctl info. humm. |
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| 08:32.19 | liable | all mem and swap got eaten and nothing is very happy anymore ;) |
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| 08:32.52 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: ok. still, scanimage -L doesnt find it. |
| 08:33.04 | \amethyst | schoppenhauer: Hm... |
| 08:33.06 | Supaplex | well fooey. there's no ide_cs module. *cry* |
| 08:33.30 | Scorp1on | hey. i'm using etch as a xen dom0 and i have installed libc6-xen, but i get all these 4gb seg fixup messages.... |
| 08:33.39 | Scorp1on | http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-fed1b310b70f97c7691d4cde77d653441dc4eeaf ... |
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| 08:34.00 | Supaplex | !lart stupid custom kernel |
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| 08:34.45 | schoppenhauer | \amethyst: thanks so far. i will just scan as root for a while, until i find it out (i have no time anymore at the moment, must go now). |
| 08:34.53 | schoppenhauer | good bye and thanks to all who tried to help me. |
| 08:34.56 | schoppenhauer | cu. |
| 08:35.01 | Scorp1on | how can i get more detailed information on the libc im currently using? |
| 08:35.10 | Scorp1on | maybe that will give some hints |
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| 08:38.27 | liable | oops, the thrashing disnt stop after 10 minutes, had to reboot it |
| 08:38.54 | Supaplex | ah fuq |
| 08:39.01 | Supaplex | kernel: journal commit I/O error |
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| 08:39.26 | xingu | eep. :) |
| 08:39.54 | xingu | Supaplex: what irq has it assigned the cards you've tried? |
| 08:40.10 | row | there is grub-floppy to create a backup floppy but no grub-iso/cd anyway I can get around that? |
| 08:40.19 | row | don't have a floppy drive in that system anymore |
| 08:40.52 | Supaplex | i'm going to install a normal kernel on it. |
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| 08:41.24 | Lcarsdata | Hi, to install debian via CD do I have to download all of the ones listed? |
| 08:41.30 | Supaplex | that kernel message I think is for the usb drive I just plugged in. I think it needed just a tad more juice :) |
| 08:41.39 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: only netinst |
| 08:42.24 | liable | hrm, i must have upset my raid too, rebuilding |
| 08:42.41 | Lcarsdata | Supaplex: I only have a wi-fi stick to connect to the internet. It needs drivers and they are difficult to set up on Linux. |
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| 08:43.26 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: they're arranged by popularity. the full cd1 might do. what wifi card is it? |
| 08:43.37 | Lcarsdata | zdwlan |
| 08:44.08 | Lcarsdata | I have the documentation about installing it on Linux, it just doesn't make sense. |
| 08:45.04 | Supaplex | xingu: the saga continues. http://rafb.net/p/bBiEfA34.html |
| 08:45.25 | Lcarsdata | Supaplex: so I just need CD 1? |
| 08:45.44 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: I'm kinda out of it. hold on. |
| 08:45.51 | Lcarsdata | ok |
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| 08:47.29 | xingu | Supaplex: that's officially -ENOTGOOD, you're into overheating or memory failure there I think |
| 08:47.53 | xingu | Supaplex: or, maybe, the card installed has been assigned irq15 |
| 08:48.40 | Supaplex | xingu: that paste is from the 500ma drive on a usb adapter. I only had one leg attached, so I'm pushing my luck with power needs. %-) |
| 08:48.53 | Supaplex | eg, same drive that was in the laptop. |
| 08:49.19 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: if you're comfy w/o a gui, you could install it, and prior to installing a boot loader, use a shell on alt+f2, chroot into /target - let me check one other thingie. |
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| 08:50.13 | Lcarsdata | Supaplex: So just CD 1? |
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| 08:50.40 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: it's zdwlan? zd1211 wireless driver module? |
| 08:50.44 | Lcarsdata | yes |
| 08:51.05 | Supaplex | module-assistant can roll a debian package of zd1211 for the kernel |
| 08:51.15 | Lcarsdata | cool |
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| 08:51.43 | Lcarsdata | I am a noob, what do I do then? |
| 08:51.50 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: I'm not sure if the installer has it though. do you have an alternative network connection in the mean time? |
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| 08:52.04 | Lcarsdata | I could have |
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| 08:52.25 | Lcarsdata | yeah, i do |
| 08:52.35 | Lcarsdata | direct connection to a router? |
| 08:52.51 | Supaplex | in that case, just grab netinst, and install module-assistant after you're up. run that as root, and build+install zd1211 |
| 08:53.09 | Lcarsdata | okay, thanks for the info. |
| 08:53.13 | Supaplex | do you know what the usb id is? |
| 08:53.19 | Lcarsdata | id? |
| 08:53.23 | Lcarsdata | no |
| 08:53.24 | Supaplex | I can verify it with the copy I just built |
| 08:53.27 | beanie | Hey, if i send an email with PHP and it came back with an error-message it go to the inbox of www-data (its ok) but how can i redirect this email to another user? |
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| 08:53.44 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: running windows? |
| 08:53.51 | Lcarsdata | yes |
| 08:54.38 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: try msinfo32 - let me poke a vmware instance of this to. also, you can skip the netinst and use www.goodbye-windows.com for the same effect. |
| 08:54.49 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: what windows release? |
| 08:55.00 | Lcarsdata | okay, xp pro |
| 08:55.07 | Lcarsdata | but I am installing linux on a different pc |
| 08:55.16 | Lcarsdata | so i have both |
| 08:55.36 | Supaplex | ahh. we can still sniff out the device id on xp. 1m. |
| 08:56.25 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: in msinfo32, check components, and then usb. |
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| 08:57.21 | Supaplex | I have "ID 0411:00a2 MelCo., Inc." (but that's a linux lsusb output). it'll be similar. |
| 08:57.26 | Lcarsdata | Device: (ZD1211B)IEEE 802.11 b+g USB Adapter |
| 08:57.31 | Lcarsdata | PNP Device ID: |
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| 08:58.11 | Lcarsdata | USB\VID_0ACE&PID_1215\5&3214E55C&0&1 |
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| 08:58.26 | famir_ | hi i have problems with my wireless after every restart i need to load it menually any idea why ? |
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| 09:00.30 | Supaplex | famir_: if it's not in /etc/modules see modconf |
| 09:00.37 | Lcarsdata | Supaplex: USB\VID_0ACE&PID_1215\5&3214E55C&0&1 |
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| 09:01.44 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: I don't have a match for the 1215, only 1211 and A211 (for v0ACE) |
| 09:02.07 | Lcarsdata | device is a 1211 |
| 09:02.09 | Lcarsdata | Device: (ZD1211B)IEEE 802.11 b+g USB Adapter |
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| 09:02.35 | Supaplex | PID_1215 <<-- that part |
| 09:03.08 | Lcarsdata | hmm, |
| 09:03.13 | Lcarsdata | I could try 1211 anyway/ |
| 09:03.30 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: ahh, it's in zd1211rw - and that's native to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem: = yay for you (any linux-image should do) |
| 09:03.40 | Mooi | how can a computer turn on (not function) when there is no ram chip? |
| 09:03.48 | Lcarsdata | so I can use CD 1 Supaplex? |
| 09:04.05 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: you can use netinst (even leaner) or cd1 if you choose. |
| 09:04.14 | Lcarsdata | \o/ |
| 09:04.20 | crazy_penguin | Hi all! |
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| 09:05.36 | row | how can I restore grub from rescue when /usr etc are lvm partitions as it wont let me mount a lvm partition oddly though it let me mount the root lvm partition |
| 09:05.39 | Lcarsdata | thank you so much Supaplex |
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| 09:06.27 | Supaplex | Lcarsdata: np. good luck. (and I'm rusty on getting wireless to work - I just know how to find/spot supported hardware) |
| 09:06.37 | Lcarsdata | :) |
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| 09:06.57 | alakdan | hello, is there a way to tell lvm to rescan my partition? I deleted some partition so partion numbering changed is there a way to tell that to lvm? |
| 09:07.16 | Supaplex | row: from rescue. like from a live cd? you can't mount them? if so, google for the lvm howto. |
| 09:07.41 | row | Supaplex: nm I have a debian live cd |
| 09:07.50 | row | this should allow me to restore grub to new hda |
| 09:08.02 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.58 | Supaplex | alakdan: partition numbering shouldn't affect it, unless it's live while you make changes. |
| 09:10.23 | alakdan | Supaplex: its live :( . And I am wondering if there is a way to 'refresh' the partition table without rebooting |
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| 09:15.42 | wroub | I deleted my linux partition with partition magic. Can I somehow recreate it and backup the data? |
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| 09:17.05 | grilled-cheese | maybe |
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| 09:17.19 | wroub | how? |
| 09:17.51 | grilled-cheese | forgot the tool i used, but it was related to photorec as i recall |
| 09:17.53 | wroub | should I recreate the partition with partition magic, or with knoppix (with qtparted) ? |
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| 09:18.07 | grilled-cheese | that won't restore the data |
| 09:18.15 | grilled-cheese | in fact it might make it worse |
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| 09:18.31 | grilled-cheese | you need to reassemble the old partition |
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| 09:18.55 | wroub | I think I need to specify the beg. and end block |
| 09:19.04 | wroub | but in what tool? fdisk |
| 09:19.07 | grilled-cheese | there's more to it that that |
| 09:19.08 | wroub | or parted? |
| 09:19.17 | grilled-cheese | neither |
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| 09:19.27 | Taa5i | Hello. I haven't changed anything, but now that I've rebooted any time I try to get an ip from dhclient it reports receive_packet failed network is down, I tried with both wireless and wireline network to the same result and rebooted many times. Any ideas? |
| 09:19.28 | grilled-cheese | you arn't formatting |
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| 09:20.05 | wroub | so what do I do? |
| 09:20.58 | grilled-cheese | testdisk is the package you are looking for |
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| 09:21.44 | wroub | does that work from knoppix? |
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| 09:23.22 | grilled-cheese | yes |
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| 09:23.38 | grilled-cheese | look up how to use the tool first though |
| 09:23.41 | wroub | k tnx |
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| 09:26.05 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:26.06 | dpkg | <jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
| 09:26.51 | Nikolay | Hi all! Just search a program like ION's scratchpad. The program can hide any window and to show it on top of the screen by the hot-key. The relevant program can be yeahconsole or yakuake, but these utils is only for terminal window, not for window at all. Anybody know what a program can help me? |
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| 09:28.53 | hark | wmctrl maybe.. |
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| 09:30.16 | liable | haha |
| 09:30.29 | liable | havent seen that one before |
| 09:30.42 | Nikolay | hark: yep, it is also relevant, but it is only for EWMH/NetWM compatible WM. My wmii3.6 is not compatible, unfortunately. |
| 09:31.25 | liable | i wonder if i should by this mobo with a marvell chipset that seems to have a shitty driver atm |
| 09:31.37 | hark | yeah, if you really check, most are not :\ |
| 09:32.16 | tur1 | hi, im planing to install VM ware in etch and im required to install kernel-image and header what should i download kernel-image-2.4-k7 and kernel-headers-2.4-k7 im using AMD Sempron 2800 processor? |
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| 09:32.59 | Taa5i | Hello. I haven't changed anything, but now that I've rebooted any time I try to get an ip from dhclient it reports receive_packet failed network is down, I tried with both wireless and wireline network to the same result and rebooted many times. Any ideas? I have tried with 2.6.18 and 2.6.20 |
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| 09:33.14 | hark | tur1: uname -r? |
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| 09:33.53 | tur1 | hark: Linux TCN 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:34.14 | hark | install linux-headers-2.6-486 |
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| 09:34.20 | wroub | hi again |
| 09:34.40 | tur1 | hark: ok thanks! |
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| 09:35.15 | wroub | all my usb connectors transfer at low speed (usb1), but the mainboard is abit kt7a-raid and it has usb2 ports. have I connected something wrong at the mainboard? maybe? |
| 09:35.23 | wroub | or is it a driver issue |
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| 09:36.33 | dountby | i have some "paket-version" issue |
| 09:36.53 | dountby | i need to install the newest available alsa |
| 09:36.57 | dountby | (i use sarge) |
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| 09:37.27 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
| 09:37.32 | dountby | but when i use backports, the version after installing is the same (non-working) as bevore |
| 09:37.52 | dountby | (before) |
| 09:38.06 | perlmonkey | If I can't get my wifi card to support WPA would it be safe to continue using it with VPN or tunnelling? |
| 09:39.09 | hark | what does dmesg say about the usb devices? |
| 09:39.20 | perlmonkey | how easy is it for someone to obtain a mac address over wifi? |
| 09:39.20 | hark | wols_: ^ |
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| 09:39.36 | hark | wols_: er, disregard that :) |
| 09:39.43 | hark | pretty easy |
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| 09:40.58 | hark | dountby: uname -r ? |
| 09:42.30 | erore | Is there a way to inherit passwords in linux (e.g. root saves a file into the user folder and the permissions will be set to the user's)? (the folder permissions is for the user, so the file inherits permissions from the folder) |
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| 09:43.07 | liable | !sticky bit |
| 09:43.07 | dpkg | [sticky bit] the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix. |
| 09:43.21 | liable | meh |
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| 09:43.25 | phretor | hi there |
| 09:44.14 | phretor | why does my debian box freezes when I restart it? I mean, it halts correctly but when ACPI attempts to restart it, it gets freezed. Ideas? |
| 09:44.34 | phretor | (I think it's not debian's fault itself) |
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| 09:48.30 | Mooi | How do I enable LAN connection for the RTL-8139 chipset? |
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| 09:52.37 | reto__ | Mooi: wahts that? ethernet, wlan? |
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| 09:52.57 | hark | Mooi: is the interface detected? |
| 09:53.44 | hark | phretor: you mean on resume (after hibernate)? |
| 09:53.46 | pingouin | let's go for the stupid questions of the day ;) : is XFS absolutly necessary on a single computer ? do i *really* have to apt-get install it ? (etch fresh install) please |
| 09:53.47 | Guerin | Mooi: man interfaces |
| 09:54.01 | phretor | hark: no, I mean "reboot" |
| 09:54.03 | Guerin | pingouin: no |
| 09:54.15 | VImtermute | hai2all |
| 09:54.17 | reto__ | Enhanced PCI/Mini-PCI/Cardbus 3.3V Single-Chip 10/100M Fast Ethernet Controller with Power Management |
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| 09:54.39 | reto__ | pingouin: do yourself a favour and start using aptitude :) |
| 09:54.43 | Tallu | Uhm, I can't seem to install debian on a relatively new box (jmicron motherboard and sata II hd), I think 2.6.19 has support for the ahci. How would I go about creating a custom install disc? Or do some exist with newer kernels? |
| 09:54.56 | pingouin | ok Guerin , thanks |
| 09:55.00 | pingouin | reto__: why ? |
| 09:55.04 | felixhcat | investigating |
| 09:55.06 | reto__ | pingouin: it's much better when it comes to strange dependcies situations |
| 09:55.09 | Guerin | pingouin: it's more betterer |
| 09:55.21 | reto__ | pingouin: and its a drop-in replacement.. just type aptitude instead of apt-get and apt-cache |
| 09:55.39 | reto__ | pingouin: and both tools coexist .. so if you wanna switch back, just switch back |
| 09:55.50 | pingouin | reto__ Guerin : hmmm, ok i'll check this |
| 09:56.13 | reto__ | but take care.. aptituzde has a nice feature called 'automatic deinstallation of unneeded packages' |
| 09:56.26 | reto__ | it works pretty well.. unless you switch back and forth between apt-get and aptitude :) |
| 09:56.32 | hark | phretor: don't reboot then ;) .. just do a shutdown instead |
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| 09:56.49 | phretor | hark: this is not a solution |
| 09:57.13 | pingouin | another stupid question of the day (i expect to be the winner !) : the Xorg.log spit me a bunch of : /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist. for lot of fonts, so, i missed some fonts ? -i have installed a lot - or...i have to change this path in xorg.conf ? |
| 09:57.33 | reto__ | strange.. |
| 09:57.51 | phretor | how about lenny security updates? |
| 09:58.04 | Guerin | phretor: how about them? |
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| 09:58.31 | phretor | Guerin: what's the APT source-line for them? |
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| 09:59.01 | Guerin | phretor: check security.debian.org |
| 09:59.57 | pythonic | security updates are for stable only |
| 10:00.15 | reto__ | pingouin: try.. aptitude install xorg does it install any addition packages? |
| 10:00.18 | pythonic | testing/unstable do not necessarily get timely security fixes |
| 10:00.40 | Taa5i | Has anyone here tried the Debian 4.0 release floppy install? |
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| 10:00.49 | Guerin | pythonic: unstable does. Testing does sometimes. |
| 10:00.53 | dutchfish | hi, guys i want to know if it is possible to cross-compile in Debian Etch to a native PE exe for the win32 envirenment without the need of MingW? |
| 10:00.54 | pingouin | reto__: i have to check how to use aptitude ;) never did before |
| 10:01.14 | pingouin | i have to launch it with root i guess ? |
| 10:01.18 | reto__ | use apt-get if you feel unsure.. doesn't really matter.. |
| 10:01.19 | reto__ | yap |
| 10:01.20 | Guerin | dutchfish: nttbomk |
| 10:01.24 | pythonic | Guerin: not necessarily get timely security fixes |
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| 10:01.46 | hark | pythonic: not so |
| 10:01.52 | reto__ | pingouin: although, the interactive version of aptitude (just call aptitude without arguments) prompts for the root password the first time you do an actual installation.. |
| 10:01.53 | Guerin | pythonic: yes, your statement was strictly correct. |
| 10:01.53 | Mooi | hark: when I do ifup eth0, I get some errors about device not being found |
| 10:02.03 | Guerin | Mooi: modprobe 8139too |
| 10:02.09 | dutchfish | Guerin, i dont understand...? |
| 10:02.09 | hark | ^^ |
| 10:02.14 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
| 10:02.15 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| 10:02.18 | Mooi | Guerin: shouldn't it be automatic? |
| 10:02.25 | pingouin | reto__: ok |
| 10:02.38 | reto__ | pingouin: did it install any additional fonts? |
| 10:02.40 | dutchfish | Guerin, thx, so i need the MingW path? |
| 10:02.41 | reto__ | or packages? |
| 10:02.44 | Guerin | Mooi: perhaps it should. How should I know what you're running? |
| 10:02.53 | pythonic | security fixes for stable are prepared asap. testing/unstable you may need to wait |
| 10:02.58 | pingouin | reto__: damn it's not usable..i guess i have troubles with utf8 default and my 'screen' and Xterm |
| 10:03.03 | Guerin | dutchfish: have you asked #mingw? |
| 10:03.16 | Mooi | meh, ;P |
| 10:03.23 | pingouin | i have to check/solve that utf8 'trouble' |
| 10:03.43 | pingouin | i should have stay in iso-foo |
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| 10:04.30 | reto__ | pingouin: wait a sec.. just use aptitude install xorg then |
| 10:04.49 | reto__ | pingouin: this shouldn't cause any utf8 problems.. |
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| 10:05.36 | famir_ | hi i have problems with my wireless after every restart i need to load it menually any idea why ? |
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| 10:06.09 | pingouin | reto__: i choose the default utf8 when installed Etch, but i think i forgot to pass some options to screen/xterm , so i got strange stuff - in french here - but it's ok |
| 10:06.18 | reto__ | ah thats it |
| 10:06.19 | dutchfish | Guerin, well, sort off, because its not a mingw issue ... |
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| 10:06.42 | reto__ | pingouin: try: LC_ALL=C aptitude install uxterm |
| 10:06.54 | reto__ | pingouin: this should install the uxterm, a utf8-capable xterm :) |
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| 10:07.11 | reto__ | pingouin: and the LC_ALL=C should force aptitude to use english output |
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| 10:07.22 | dutchfish | Guerin, i hoped for a solution with dpkg-cross |
| 10:07.23 | reto__ | pingouin: afterwards you can try to start the uxterm |
| 10:07.30 | reto__ | pingouin: anyway, just a suggestion. :) |
| 10:07.43 | pingouin | regis: so, X org installed some fonts : font-base and some scalable, but i've installed myselft a bunch of ttf font and xfonts |
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| 10:07.51 | reto__ | I'm afk for a moment.. getting a cup of coffee |
| 10:07.52 | famir_ | help ! please ... |
| 10:07.59 | famir_ | hi i have problems with my wireless after every restart i need to load it menually any idea why ? |
| 10:08.01 | pingouin | reto__: that ok thanks for the suggestion about uxterm |
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| 10:08.06 | hd|laptop | !nvidia? |
| 10:08.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 10:08.28 | reto__ | famir_: checkout /etc/modules |
| 10:08.28 | hd|laptop | !nvidia-one-liner? |
| 10:08.33 | hark | hd|laptop: /msg the bot |
| 10:08.38 | dutchfish | Guerin, and my progs dont need much of the NT5 API |
| 10:08.39 | hd|laptop | hark: doesnt work |
| 10:08.44 | hd|laptop | hark: he doesnt answer me |
| 10:08.52 | famir_ | reto__: bash: checkout: command not found |
| 10:08.57 | hark | !tell hd|laptop about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:09.04 | hd|laptop | thanks |
| 10:09.06 | reto__ | famir_: 'checkout' wasn't meand for the bash :) |
| 10:09.18 | reto__ | famir_: it was meant for you :) |
| 10:09.18 | famir_ | reto__: so where ? |
| 10:09.18 | hark | ha |
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| 10:09.27 | reto__ | famir_: take a look at /etc/modules |
| 10:09.37 | hark | famir_: do you have to modprobe it after every boot? |
| 10:09.37 | famir_ | reto__: ha ok sorry |
| 10:09.41 | reto__ | famir_: tahts not a shell command :) |
| 10:10.03 | reto__ | -bash: take: command not found <-- :) |
| 10:10.50 | reto__ | pingouin: hmm.. you might need a font-server.. sorry I'm not that good the whole font-thing in linux |
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| 10:10.50 | reto__ | !fontserver |
| 10:10.50 | dpkg | you _don't_ need a font server at all to use fonts! |
| 10:10.51 | reto__ | !ttf |
| 10:10.51 | dpkg | well, ttf is the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 10:10.51 | famir_ | reto__: looks empty |
| 10:10.57 | dutchfish | Guerin, i need this for compiling a management tool for para-virtualized-win32 |
| 10:11.17 | famir_ | reto__: All with #, there only "loop" there ! |
| 10:11.29 | reto__ | famir_: mine says: http://rafb.net/p/O4jquV92.html |
| 10:11.42 | pingouin | reto__: no problem, thanks you very much for your time and advices |
| 10:11.50 | reto__ | pingouin: you're welcome |
| 10:12.01 | reto__ | pas de problem :.. or so |
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| 10:12.19 | pingouin | :) yep, perfect ;) pas de problèmes ;) |
| 10:12.29 | famir_ | reto__: any why how can i make this module start when the pc starts ? |
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| 10:13.24 | hark | famir_: head -1 /etc/modules |
| 10:13.42 | hark | man modules |
| 10:14.08 | RvGaTe | Love it how some packages in etch got a complete new config file when you install it... making it more clear and easy to get stuff running... great job |
| 10:14.13 | erore | There are 2 dirs in the user's directory (-rw-r--r-- 1 user user 15752 Mar 12 18:48 config.tar.gz,-rw-r--r-- 1 user user 2147083252 Apr 6 16:38 F20070406T140005Z.zip) the user can download config.tar.gz via ftp (vsftpd) but not the second file, it gives 550 Failed to open file. what's wrong? |
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| 10:14.49 | xingu | erore: that file is >2GB; seems like your ftp daemon isn't largefile safe. |
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| 10:14.55 | reto__ | famir_: just put the name of the module in there |
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| 10:15.09 | Guerin | vsftpd most certainly is |
| 10:15.11 | xingu | erore: use split to carve it into 2x 1GB chunks and see what happens. |
| 10:15.15 | Guerin | however many clients aren't |
| 10:15.20 | Guerin | no |
| 10:15.24 | xingu | Guerin: maybe that build of it isn't |
| 10:15.32 | Guerin | tell the eejit on tjhe other end to use a proper client |
| 10:15.33 | erore | so it may be the client as well? |
| 10:15.44 | Guerin | xingu: debian vsftpd has been since at least woody |
| 10:15.48 | Guerin | erore: yes. |
| 10:15.50 | xingu | Guerin: fair do |
| 10:16.00 | xingu | Guerin: seems odd that the server would 550 in that circumstance though |
| 10:16.00 | Guerin | istr firefox not being |
| 10:16.03 | xingu | but hell, what do I know |
| 10:16.06 | Guerin | and i know wget wasn't for a while |
| 10:16.17 | Guerin | i recommend lftp |
| 10:16.25 | wols_ | Guerin: ffox still not 64bit safe? |
| 10:16.28 | Taa5i | !releases |
| 10:16.28 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 10:16.29 | Guerin | xingu: this is true |
| 10:16.30 | xingu | I recommend avoiding the problem by splitting it. :) |
| 10:16.40 | Guerin | wols_: i'm not sure about now. 1.x definitely wasn't |
| 10:16.40 | xingu | I'm a pragmatist though |
| 10:16.50 | wols_ | ouch |
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| 10:17.36 | zu22 | my sound card (ESS Maestro 3) module is not being loaded even though I have it listed in /etc/modules and i verified the module exists (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/sound/maestro3.o) so i checked /etc/modules.conf and it has 2 curious entries "post-install snd-maestro3 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-maestro3" and "alias maestro3 off" so it modprobes it on boot yet turns it off? i also have no /proc/asound dir so i wonder if alsa is broken. |
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| 10:17.59 | erore | ok, so lftp is ok for files over 2gb? It's just for downloading backup from the mailserver in my local net, no public access |
| 10:18.11 | zu22 | i checked the factoid bot here and the info it lists for 2.4 kernel is incorrect, there is no longer an alsa-modules* packages in testing, i have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed |
| 10:18.15 | Guerin | erore: yes, lftp is the shizzle, for your nizzle. |
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| 10:18.33 | erore | Guerin: many thanks :) |
| 10:18.41 | xingu | Guerin: surely pftp is largefile safe by now, it's usually a case of just linking it with a new enough libc |
| 10:18.47 | Guerin | zu22: there are no 2.4 kernels in testing, however the sarge packages still work |
| 10:18.50 | wols_ | zu22: why are you running a 2.4 kernel? and talk about testing even |
| 10:19.19 | zu22 | guerin: ah so i need a new kernel or a downgraded package |
| 10:19.19 | Guerin | xingu: i've never used pftp |
| 10:19.19 | wols_ | zu22: 2.4 kernels mean you run oldstable |
| 10:19.21 | Guerin | zu22: why do you want 2.4? |
| 10:19.26 | zu22 | i would like to get a 2.6 kernel but a bit wary of setting up udev, is it hard? |
| 10:19.36 | Guerin | zu22: no, not at all. |
| 10:19.37 | xingu | Guerin: it's basically netkit ftp += readline support. |
| 10:19.40 | wols_ | you don't need udev if you don't want to |
| 10:19.44 | Guerin | zu22: in 99% of cases it Just Works |
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| 10:19.51 | Guerin | xingu: ah, cool. |
| 10:20.01 | zu22 | Guerin: ok i've been meaning to upgrade, any particular 2.6 kernel u recommend? this is 7 year old laptop |
| 10:20.10 | liable | Guerin: in the 1% it breaks your system horribly |
| 10:20.12 | Guerin | zu22: whatever's in etch |
| 10:20.19 | zu22 | wols_: ok |
| 10:20.19 | Guerin | liable: and you cry, and we laugh. |
| 10:20.25 | zu22 | guerin: ok will give it a go :) |
| 10:20.34 | wols_ | zu22: 2.6.18 which is in current etch/stable works fine |
| 10:20.44 | zu22 | wols_: cool |
| 10:20.45 | xingu | liable: and then we point at you and ask "this was your copy-of-live system in the lab, right?" :) |
| 10:21.25 | zu22 | xingu: i just got an old desktop i want to setup as a backup machine, trying to decide to- go with SAMBA or just a direct ethernet LAN and tar or cp the files over |
| 10:21.50 | Guerin | zu22: use rsnapshot if they're nixen |
| 10:22.03 | zu22 | Guerin: never heard of that, thx, googling |
| 10:22.05 | xingu | zu22: rsync, daemonized. |
| 10:22.11 | zu22 | ah rsync cool |
| 10:22.13 | Guerin | otherwise automated tar would be my idea - i think duplicity will do what you want |
| 10:22.21 | zu22 | thanks guys |
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| 10:22.26 | petemc | or dirvish |
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| 10:23.40 | Guerin | yet more proof reiserfs is broken: |
| 10:23.41 | Guerin | ReiserFS and 4GB files ¶ |
| 10:23.42 | Guerin | Downloading files larger than 4GB on ReiserFS (v3) may cause data beyond offset 232 bytes to be written to the start of the file. This will cause the client to enter a cycle of downloading the remaining data then checking the hash. |
| 10:23.50 | Guerin | as if more was needed |
| 10:23.55 | xingu | rsync -a4HPS --delete --delete-excluded --force --partial --numeric-ids --exclude-from=/backup/.exclude-${nodename} ${nodename}::backup /backup/${nodename} |
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| 10:24.03 | xingu | there ya go. :) |
| 10:24.08 | giupy | can a fake controller raid like a promise on a notebook fuck one of two hd? |
| 10:24.18 | Guerin | giupy: anything's possible |
| 10:24.33 | Guerin | giupy: but it's most likely to be an ordinary failure |
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| 10:24.47 | zu22 | :) |
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| 10:25.05 | xingu | giupy: I've seen a raid controller in the past that started resyncs by issuing a scsi block device format command; abort one of those halfway through and it can seriously mess with you |
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| 10:25.59 | giupy | Guerin: but i have put that hd on a usb box and now on linux, when i connect it i reicve this from dmesg: usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
| 10:25.59 | giupy | usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 10:26.09 | giupy | sorry for flood |
| 10:26.10 | xingu | giupy: I doubt one of those is in your notebook though, unless you've got a sparc u1e with third party io controller on your lap |
| 10:27.36 | giupy | i must go now thanks all |
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| 10:29.06 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 10:29.09 | HardDisk_WP | i use debian lenny (kde 3.5) |
| 10:29.10 | HardDisk_WP | how can i use those 3d desktop stuff compiz/beryl? |
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| 10:33.08 | xingu | !beryl |
| 10:33.08 | dpkg | well, beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 10:34.57 | pythonic | ENOSCREENSHOTS |
| 10:35.55 | Lcarsdata | My CD burner is slower than my internet connection. |
| 10:36.20 | Lcarsdata | estimated time to burn one CD 66 minutes |
| 10:37.03 | HardDisk_WP | lol^^ |
| 10:37.09 | HardDisk_WP | Lcarsdata, k3b? |
| 10:37.21 | Lcarsdata | No, running windows. |
| 10:37.26 | Lcarsdata | Cute CD DVD Burner |
| 10:37.33 | Lcarsdata | I am planning on installing Debian |
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| 10:38.44 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:38.44 | dpkg | well, qotd121 is <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
| 10:40.01 | hark | heh |
| 10:40.48 | HardDisk_WP | okapi14, i followed http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 10:40.58 | HardDisk_WP | *gaah* tab completion |
| 10:41.10 | HardDisk_WP | anyway, i followed the instructions. how do i now use beryl? |
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| 10:41.50 | hark | read the instructions? |
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| 10:42.37 | HardDisk_WP | hark, what instructions? those were only for download/install, but not for usage |
| 10:42.37 | hark | try a beryl --replace or run beryl-manager, i guess |
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| 10:44.57 | hark | fyi, fwiw this is unofficial |
| 10:45.44 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:45.44 | dpkg | [qotd114] <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 10:46.09 | pythonic | okay... so what's so cool about beryl? |
| 10:46.55 | zu22 | hark: haha good one |
| 10:47.21 | zu22 | !qotd0 |
| 10:47.21 | dpkg | [qotd95] <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
| 10:47.33 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 10:47.39 | pythonic | prince william is gay |
| 10:47.48 | HardDisk_WP | it "should" be 3d |
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| 10:47.58 | zu22 | haha these are too funny lol |
| 10:48.07 | HardDisk_WP | but it seems it doesnt work with nvidia proprietary shit |
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| 10:48.13 | zu22 | i wonder who culls the channel logs for them , dondelelcaro? :) |
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| 10:49.17 | Zvpun | I read in the releasenotes that aptitued should be favoured over apt-get. Now when I try aptitute upgrade it wants to remove 83 packages, I dont want it to remove them, what can i do? I never used aptitude befor. |
| 10:49.21 | pythonic | zu22: bash.org? |
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| 10:49.41 | zu22 | HardDisk_WP: stupid closed source binary drivers, i wish more people used Linux then they could put real pressure on vendors to stop this nonsense |
| 10:50.10 | HardDisk_WP | ack |
| 10:50.13 | zu22 | pythonic: ah yeah |
| 10:50.14 | deebu | im downloading etch cd1 with jigdo....is there any way to pause it and resume later?? |
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| 10:50.29 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.51 | pythonic | pngwn: that's not very nice :-) |
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| 10:53.40 | deebu | im downloading etch cd1 with jigdo....is there any way to pause it and resume later?? |
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| 10:54.50 | Zvpun | deebu: as far as I recall jigdo can resume downloads since it saves the files and not an image |
| 10:55.24 | Zvpun | deebu: when you restart the download it asks for a directory with already existing files (the ones you downloaded already) these are then used and not again downloaded |
| 10:55.47 | deebu | Zvpun, ok...thanks mate:) |
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| 10:57.11 | deebu | its downloading files from here...is it a valid etch site? http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main |
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| 10:58.14 | row | I am having font issues in terminal such as "29°C" what font package is required to fix that? |
| 10:58.20 | Zvpun | deebu: idk, check it yourself, its well documented on the website |
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| 10:58.59 | speedie | I'm having a problem when using libusb... I can't seem to detach from the kernel drivers (operation not permitted) even as root |
| 10:59.03 | speedie | any ideas? |
| 10:59.08 | Orphis | Hi, I've got problems running the debian installer on either cd or dvd... it just fails to boot (black screen with blinking cursor) before any text appears whereas win xp install cd loads fine |
| 10:59.09 | row | the degree syme as a A infront of it |
| 10:59.59 | Zvpun | row: I dont understand. I would apt-search file font|less and install interesing fonts |
| 11:00.27 | Orphis | And yes, I'm trying to boot the cd/dvd for my arch, I'm not that stupid |
| 11:00.51 | Zvpun | Orphis: can you see the bootscreen of the cd or is it possible that you didnt create a boot cd? |
| 11:01.38 | Orphis | Well I've directly burnt the iso image using a not so old burning app |
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| 11:01.44 | row | Zvpun: sorry did not knwo my client would fix it, degree symbols have a A infront of them and such. |
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| 11:02.39 | Orphis | And the media is selected for booting, my bios would say "no boot device" if it was not bootable |
| 11:02.42 | Zvpun | Orphis: I mean, there are two ways to burn a image on cd: the wrong way, create a cd with the file image-something.iso on it and the right ways create a cd from an image. |
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| 11:03.14 | Orphis | Don't worry, I'm not that stupid :p |
| 11:03.19 | Zvpun | row: what does your client fix, so "°" does look like "A°" for you? |
| 11:03.38 | Zvpun | Orphis: kk, how about a floppy or usb boot? |
| 11:04.32 | Orphis | I'vev tried usb boot but it doesn't seem to work on this mobo (or I'm just not good enough to setup the usb pen) |
| 11:04.37 | row | Zvpun: yeah but CLI does not |
| 11:04.45 | row | Zvpun: when I pasted it in IRC it fixed it |
| 11:04.49 | \amethyst | row: Your terminal is in latin1 mode, but it's getting utf-8 text |
| 11:04.55 | Orphis | And I have no working floppy drive |
| 11:05.00 | \amethyst | row: At the console? |
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| 11:05.18 | \amethyst | row: or in an xterm? |
| 11:05.20 | row | \amethyst via putty at the moment but I think via all forms of cli |
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| 11:05.35 | \amethyst | row: aha |
| 11:05.35 | sinizzl | hello |
| 11:05.40 | sinizzl | how can i *force* apt to remove a broken package? |
| 11:05.44 | \amethyst | row: moment, I know where the setting is in putty |
| 11:05.44 | row | ah |
| 11:06.03 | row | \amethyst: just putty |
| 11:06.30 | \amethyst | row: in the profile, window->translation, select UTF-8 from the list |
| 11:06.42 | row | \amethyst: sweet, thanks |
| 11:06.55 | deebu | its downloading files from here...is it a valid etch site? http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main........how do i know if its rite? |
| 11:07.01 | schme | Where do I report the bug? |
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| 11:07.53 | ChaosR | may be a bit OT here, but how can I compile binaries for windows with mingw32, i forgot the cli command |
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| 11:08.54 | Zvpun | Orphis: idk, I'd thought that getting to the boot menu is straightforward. I cant help you, maybe you can try booting a knoppix and debootstrap from there. |
| 11:09.51 | Orphis | I mean it must be some king of incompatibility or bug in the installer |
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| 11:10.17 | \amethyst | ChaosR: http://www.mingw.org/docs.shtml |
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| 11:10.25 | Zvpun | Orphis: getting to the boot menu is independent on the installer. |
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| 11:11.05 | Zvpun | Orphis: if you cant get to the boot menu of the cd the installer is never started |
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| 11:11.36 | Zvpun | Orphis: You can still try to boot knoppix and debootstrap |
| 11:11.59 | quenton | how to set up a '/' fs on another via command fr another drive? |
| 11:12.19 | Zvpun | quenton: i dont understand. |
| 11:12.41 | \amethyst | quenton: debootstrap maybe? |
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| 11:15.22 | ChaosR | \amethyst: not the information I'm looking for, because that simply won't work |
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| 11:17.13 | phretor | I'm annoyed about locale settings junk: http://rafb.net/p/L79MOK68.html |
| 11:17.24 | phretor | I get lot of "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
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| 11:17.51 | quenton_ | sorry, was cut-off. back to my problem. i am now running debian on hda1. i want to prepare sda1 for a similar system. with cfdisk, i can partition and choose fs type but a cannot set mount point '/'. how to do it? |
| 11:18.10 | \amethyst | ChaosR: there's a #mingw with a few people in it |
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| 11:19.22 | phretor | could please anybody help me about locale settings? |
| 11:19.24 | dutchfish | Guerin, found what i need regarding to x-compiling natively: http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 11:19.29 | mrec_ | hi is there any way to set the installed flags on packages manually? |
| 11:19.32 | Zvpun | quenton: mount points are not part of partition tables. You dont chose mount points when partitioning. |
| 11:19.42 | \amethyst | phretor: only if you ask a better question than that |
| 11:19.45 | pythonic | quenton_: debootstrap |
| 11:19.49 | xand | phretor: he did |
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| 11:19.53 | xand | erm, \amethyst he did |
| 11:20.13 | quenton_ | pythonic: can you be more specific? |
| 11:20.15 | \amethyst | sorry |
| 11:20.30 | pythonic | quenton_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
| 11:20.42 | phretor | amethyst what's better than an URL explaining what I'm experiencing? |
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| 11:20.59 | Zvpun | phretor: did you configure your locales? |
| 11:21.12 | phretor | Zvpun: this problem came up after upgrade to sid |
| 11:21.23 | Zvpun | phretor: did you CONFIGURE/CREATE your locales? |
| 11:21.51 | Zvpun | phretor: dpkg-reconfigure locales and selecte en_US are whatever you are using |
| 11:22.07 | phretor | Zvpun: oki |
| 11:22.16 | hark | logout and login then |
| 11:22.21 | quenton_ | pythonic: Zvpun: i am running 'testing'. basically i want to install a minimum system in sda1 and the rsync it with hda1, to obtain a similar system. what is the min system to set up in sda1? |
| 11:22.40 | phretor | dpkg-reconfigure -> locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 11:23.05 | phretor | Zvpun: and then I get these messages, again, http://rafb.net/p/L79MOK68.html |
| 11:23.06 | dutchfish | phretor, apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 11:23.13 | pythonic | quenton_: see http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html |
| 11:23.17 | Zvpun | quenton: I would boot from a live cd and "cp -a /mnt/old_root /mnt/new_root" |
| 11:23.44 | pythonic | quenton_: and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 11:23.53 | phretor | dutchfish: broken dependencies - locales: Depends: glibc-2.5-1 but it is not installed |
| 11:24.14 | \amethyst | phretor: try aptitude install locales |
| 11:24.21 | dutchfish | phretor, you just updated from sarge -> etch? |
| 11:24.38 | jel | Anyone know how I can force a debian netinstall to download from a local mirror that has no Release.gpg ? |
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| 11:24.39 | Tallu | Hey umm. I've a problem with debian stock kernel not supporting hardware, i managed boot the latest daily build of an ubuntu beta and was wondering if i could somehow create a debian installer with a custom kernel on the hd? |
| 11:24.51 | phretor | dutchfish: I did etch -> lenny -> sid |
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| 11:24.59 | phretor | amethyst: same error message |
| 11:25.31 | \amethyst | phretor: try updating |
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| 11:25.43 | militant | hah |
| 11:25.47 | \amethyst | phretor: it sounds like your sources have mismatched versions of glibc and locales |
| 11:25.52 | dutchfish | phretor, check 1st your /etc/apt/sources.list then run aptitude update ... aptitude --dist-upgrade |
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| 11:26.45 | militant | when i pester my friend for help (he runs gentoo/centos at home/work) he always says 'i dunno gaybian k get gentoo or gtfo' and then generally calls me a name. |
| 11:26.52 | quenton_ | Zvpun: i have several hds i can boot up fr. can't i use them to make a bootable sda1? |
| 11:26.57 | phretor | dutchfish, amethyst: let me check |
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| 11:27.18 | quenton_ | Zvpun: and with a '/' fs? |
| 11:27.25 | \amethyst | phretor: you might be able to get around it by aptitude install locales-all locales_ |
| 11:27.28 | \amethyst | err |
| 11:27.35 | \amethyst | phretor: aptitude install locales-all locales- |
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| 11:27.56 | jel | anyone? |
| 11:28.04 | phretor | ametyest, dutchfish: this is my sources.list http://rafb.net/p/ZpBRAy54.html |
| 11:28.25 | \amethyst | phretor: the version of locales in sid is currently uninstallable |
| 11:29.02 | phretor | amethyst so what to do? |
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| 11:29.13 | dutchfish | phretor, looks ok, if the mirror is good |
| 11:29.28 | phretor | dutchfish: it's the main mirror in the north of italy |
| 11:29.30 | \amethyst | phretor: try installing locales-all instead, it's currently installable |
| 11:29.51 | dutchfish | phretor, ok try update dist-upgrade with aptitude |
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| 11:30.05 | \amethyst | or get the 2.5-1 snapshot of locales |
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| 11:31.33 | dutchfish | \amethyst, how is the forecast for sid's stability as a desktop atm? |
| 11:32.18 | \amethyst | dutchfish: As usual... if you know how to fix broken dependencies, postinst scripts, etc by hand, it's usable. |
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| 11:32.33 | dutchfish | \amethyst, fair enough |
| 11:32.34 | \amethyst | If not, upgrading is going to be broken a lot |
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| 11:32.45 | j-g | plop |
| 11:32.52 | \amethyst | phretor: this might be handy: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/04/11/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/locales_2.5-1_all.deb |
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| 11:33.35 | phretor | \amethyst: all fixed ;) thank - I now have an apparently-stable unstable :D |
| 11:34.19 | \amethyst | phretor: do you use TeX by any chance? |
| 11:34.41 | phretor | amethyst: yes, I'm a (La)TeX bitch |
| 11:34.56 | \amethyst | phretor: any problems with the switch to texlive? |
| 11:35.31 | phretor | \amethyst: I do hate texlive - I only go with tetex, psutils, tetex-extra and gs |
| 11:35.43 | subir | topic |
| 11:35.51 | subir | sorry |
| 11:36.08 | jel | Hmm. There's a bug report for this problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419211 Anyone have a workaround? |
| 11:36.35 | phretor | amethyst: personally, I discourage the use of TeX distributions |
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| 11:37.08 | xingu | \amethyst: fwiw this system updated to localse 2.5-2 on sid/amd64 with no issues |
| 11:37.20 | dutchfish | jel, /msg dkpg public key |
| 11:37.25 | \amethyst | xingu: yeah, glibc has been updated on amd64 but no other archs |
| 11:37.32 | \amethyst | s/glibc/libc6/ |
| 11:37.32 | xingu | aah |
| 11:37.33 | jel | \amethyst: I say give it a try. I'll be switching to texlive (for xetex) as soon as my broadband is up again. |
| 11:37.46 | quenton | when i 'grub-install /dev/sda', i get: "dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." what does this mean? |
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| 11:38.20 | phretor | why doesn't sid include `login.app` ? |
| 11:38.32 | jel | dutchfish: that's not it; the DVD images don't have a signature, but I need to use one as a mirror |
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| 11:39.36 | xingu | jel: you need something similar to etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom I figure. |
| 11:39.51 | \amethyst | phretor: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qa@lists.debian.org/msg10975.html |
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| 11:40.48 | phretor | amethyst :-( I personally love login.app - it's so...NeXT :D |
| 11:40.58 | \amethyst | phretor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256681 is the better link |
| 11:41.39 | \amethyst | phretor: You could take it over, but you'd probably have to be both upstream and the debian packager :) |
| 11:42.06 | jel | xingu: ahh, that sounds like the right track. Thanks :) |
| 11:42.12 | dutchfish | quenton, try grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 11:42.31 | quenton | dutchfish: doing that, thks. |
| 11:42.41 | yang | how can i prevent new kernel installation, when doing aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:42.54 | \amethyst | phretor: it's been unmaintained for over five years :) |
| 11:44.18 | jel | yang: aptitude hold yourkernelpkg should work |
| 11:44.43 | yang | jel: ok thanks |
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| 11:45.20 | jel | phretor: yeah, I was going to suggest wdm |
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| 11:46.37 | rcbarnes | Does make-kpkg clobber old kernels when you install them? I was talking about this, but I lost my irc buffer when I rebooted. |
| 11:46.38 | liable | yang: remove the meta package |
| 11:48.21 | rcbarnes | Also, my short-term memory is trashed after this week :-/ |
| 11:48.47 | yang | Is a server reboot needed after sarge->etch update? |
| 11:49.28 | xingu | rcbarnes: it uses normal dpkg revsison control; if it's the same package version, yes; see --append_to_version |
| 11:49.42 | jelly-home | yang: a reboot is needed each time the kernel is upgraded, so, yes. |
| 11:50.14 | yang | jelly: its an update inside VPS so no new kernel for that, only turn from sarge-> etch |
| 11:50.17 | rcbarnes | xingu: thanks |
| 11:52.01 | quenton | dutchfish: the device map has this line: (hd1) /dev/sda. But when i grub-install hd1, i get: /dev/hd1: Not found or not a block device. |
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| 11:52.16 | jelly-home | yang: hmm, I guess you theoretically shouldn't need to reboot |
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| 11:54.31 | quenton | dutchfish: sorry, i was doing grub-install /dev/hd1. it is ok now. |
| 11:55.16 | yaeyo | Hi all, could someone point me to some debian/xen specific documentation? I am hacing dificulties with network device in domU .. |
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| 11:55.24 | Scurz | plop |
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| 11:55.29 | dutchfish | quenton, i was sure you where talking of sda so try grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 11:55.58 | RichiH | !B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 11:56.09 | RichiH | !test |
| 11:56.09 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:56.18 | RichiH | !apt key |
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| 11:56.34 | dutchfish | yaeyo, what problem with dom-U network? |
| 11:56.38 | RichiH | !notsnack |
| 11:56.41 | RichiH | !botsnack |
| 11:56.42 | dpkg | :), RichiH |
| 11:56.45 | RichiH | hrm |
| 11:56.46 | HostilePenguin | is FSAA ultimately decided by application? |
| 11:56.57 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: i fear dpkg's db is broken or something |
| 11:57.03 | RichiH | @test |
| 11:57.17 | quenton | dutchfish: i had done that, /dev/sda was identified. it is referred to as hd1. so now i am running grub-install hd1 and it is in progress. |
| 11:57.25 | yaeyo | dutchfish: I have a winxp domU that doesnt recognize the network card |
| 11:57.37 | yaeyo | I see an unkown PCI device and nothing more |
| 11:57.55 | xand | I have installed libapache-mod-auth-pam and configured httpd.conf to use it for one directory; I get prompted to login, but auth.log always reports authentication failure, but doesn't say why... any ideas? |
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| 11:59.07 | dutchfish | yaeyo, od you use xensources enterprise pvdrivers? |
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| 12:00.06 | yaeyo | dutchfish: I do not know for sure? It is a fresh install (apt-get install xen-hypervisor) |
| 12:00.15 | phretor | why does WDM does not take into account ~/.xinitrc? |
| 12:00.39 | dutchfish | yaeyo, if you go opensource with XEN for windows dom-U you prolly need: qemu-dm (qemu device model) |
| 12:00.55 | phretor | jae: do you use WDM? |
| 12:01.13 | yaeyo | dutchfish: quemu-dm is what I am using |
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| 12:02.01 | dutchfish | yaeyo, you xenbr0 is properly setup in dom-0 and fuctioning as a bridge? |
| 12:02.21 | yaeyo | dutchfish: yes it is |
| 12:03.04 | dutchfish | yaeyo, hard to tell but my best bet is to recheck setup of qemu-dm |
| 12:03.13 | yaeyo | dutchfish: it seems that the pv drivers are included only in the xen commercial version. any other solution? |
| 12:03.28 | dutchfish | yaeyo, specially the phy acl's |
| 12:03.47 | dutchfish | yaeyo, yes pv drivers is commercial only |
| 12:04.06 | yaeyo | dutchfish: where do I find more info on the device models available and configuration options? |
| 12:04.22 | dutchfish | yaeyo, hold on a sec |
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| 12:06.34 | xand | and I get this in apache's error log: [Sun Apr 15 13:02:52 2007] [error] (25)Inappropriate ioctl for device: access to / failed for 192.168.0.8, reason: Authentication failure |
| 12:06.37 | xand | :| |
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| 12:06.55 | Rusher | hello |
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| 12:07.43 | Neeesat25 | hello to all |
| 12:08.11 | Neeesat25 | how can I remove the mouse from loading in debian? |
| 12:08.34 | l3mr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:09.07 | dutchfish | yaeyo, cant find it again, but 1 more tip: suse 10.1 contains pv drivers for hvm |
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| 12:09.32 | Rusher | wow, can not wait for Debian Lenny |
| 12:09.48 | yaeyo | dutchfish: thanks. I will start looking around. I would really rather not change distro just for windows |
| 12:09.59 | dutchfish | yaeyo, another 1: define a fixed mac in your dom-U setup, windows doest like changing macs |
| 12:10.11 | yaeyo | dutchfish: did that ;) |
| 12:10.55 | dutchfish | yaeyo, also recheck that a debootstrap-install par example etch does work and have a functional network |
| 12:11.17 | dutchfish | yaeyo, so you can strike searching errors in dom-) |
| 12:11.24 | dutchfish | yaeyo, so you can strike searching errors in dom-0 |
| 12:12.24 | dutchfish | yaeyo, can you paste your dom-U setup to pastebin? |
| 12:12.24 | yaeyo | dutchfish: will do. many thanks |
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| 12:13.37 | yaeyo | dutchfish: yep, one sec. pastebin just spit some errors at me |
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| 12:14.30 | yaeyo | dutchfish: pastebin doesnt seem to be functional atm |
| 12:14.59 | dutchfish | yaeyo, ok try to google falko timme perfect xen setup for more info |
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| 12:15.39 | pingouin | someone would be gentle to remind me what to add to my source.list (Etch) to point the right place to get all the 'non-free' codecs/apps (mplayer etc...) ? |
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| 12:16.26 | dutchfish | pingouin, deb http://debian.essentkabel.com/debian/ etch main non-free contrib (par example) |
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| 12:17.00 | pingouin | thanks a lot dutchfish |
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| 12:19.41 | sciboy | Crap! |
| 12:19.41 | dutchfish | !crap |
| 12:19.41 | dpkg | i guess crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
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| 12:20.24 | sciboy | Anyway, trying to fix up my debian installation since my faulty memory killed my ext3 partition. |
| 12:20.48 | sciboy | =P |
| 12:21.04 | dutchfish | sciboy, and you dont have a backup? |
| 12:21.21 | sciboy | Don't have anything particularly important on there. |
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| 12:21.35 | dutchfish | !slap sciboy |
| 12:22.22 | sciboy | Ubuntu live cd saves the day again. |
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| 12:23.13 | dutchfish | sciboy, then i gues your ext3 isnt killed after all |
| 12:23.21 | jmd_ | Why is it that when I start gnome in etch, I get an annoying popup saying that "some items are no longer available" |
| 12:23.36 | sciboy | Possibly because "some items are no longer available" |
| 12:23.48 | jmd_ | it also says that I "will not receive this message again", but it's lying. I get it every time I login. |
| 12:23.48 | dutchfish | jmd_, you have leftovers in your menu system? |
| 12:24.00 | jmd_ | leftovers? |
| 12:24.14 | jmd_ | possibly. How can I tell? |
| 12:24.15 | dutchfish | jmd_, dead links |
| 12:24.22 | sciboy | Logs tend to be good. |
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| 12:24.58 | jmd_ | to which log does gnome go? Certainly not to syslog |
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| 12:25.21 | abrotman | .xsession-errors maybe ? |
| 12:25.22 | azeem | jmd_: ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 12:25.35 | azeem | jmd_: depends on what you mean with this pretty unspecific question |
| 12:26.20 | jmd_ | azeem, I think in the context of my previous question, it's pretty specific. |
| 12:27.09 | dutchfish | jmd_, try first /var/log/user.log |
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| 12:27.39 | abrotman | jmd_: not really .. which errors from gnome ? |
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| 12:27.48 | Neeesat25 | How can I remove mouse from loading in X? |
| 12:28.01 | earthian | hello, can anybody help me? I get these errors with my SATA RAID0 array while scanning the array with testdisk program for partitions: http://www.pastebin.ca/440955 my system specs are at http://www.fostral.net/phpsysinfo |
| 12:28.49 | jmd_ | Doesn't seem to be anything relevant in /var/log/user.log |
| 12:28.52 | sciboy | Moving my home directory onto my second drive. =) |
| 12:29.36 | jmd_ | there's a "Unable to open file" message in .xsesson-errors, but nothing to indicate why it's trying to open that file. |
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| 12:29.55 | abrotman | so which error are you looking for again ? |
| 12:31.53 | jmd_ | abrotman, You want me to type out the entire text? |
| 12:31.54 | jmd_ | "One or more panel items (also referred to as applets) are no longer available in the GNOME desktop" |
| 12:31.54 | abrotman | an application error? a dbus error? a gdm error ? |
| 12:31.54 | jmd_ | "These items will now be removed from your configuration: |
| 12:31.54 | jmd_ | " |
| 12:31.54 | jmd_ | "You will not receive this message again." |
| 12:31.55 | jmd_ | That last statement however is untrue. |
| 12:32.26 | hark | you will not receive this message again in the current session |
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| 12:32.57 | jmd_ | abrotman, How am I supposed to know what kind of error it is? It doesn't say "This is a xxxx error". |
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| 12:33.16 | hark | oh and what are "these items" ? |
| 12:33.31 | jmd_ | hark, I wish I knew. |
| 12:33.35 | ooglaboogla | can anyone help me out with setting up bootsplash |
| 12:33.43 | hark | !bootsplash |
| 12:33.43 | dpkg | [bootsplash] http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 12:33.52 | jmd_ | The titlebar of the window says "Information" |
| 12:34.19 | hark | heh |
| 12:34.20 | jmd_ | Frankly, I think that gnome is becoming more like windoze with every release |
| 12:34.31 | phretor | (I already posted on #gnustep) is there any GWorkspace.app user right there? |
| 12:34.53 | ooglaboogla | hark: i've already looked through thouse and they are not helpful to me, not enough information , i'm looking for more of a step by step guide |
| 12:35.29 | hark | calls for googlefu then ;) |
| 12:36.02 | hark | or something in /usr/share/doc/bootsplash .. |
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| 12:39.09 | hark | jmd_: see any missing applets? |
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| 12:39.54 | jmd_ | hark: I used to have a mail inbox applet thing which is no longer there. |
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| 12:40.04 | hark | try adding it |
| 12:40.08 | jmd_ | It would seem that it's no longer shipped in etch. |
| 12:40.13 | HyperDevi | how can i get the mail command on the new etch release? |
| 12:40.22 | hark | mail-notification? |
| 12:40.25 | hark | HyperDevi: mailx |
| 12:40.37 | jmd_ | HyperDevi, Type the word "mail" |
| 12:40.41 | HyperDevi | i want to send mail through a script using the mail command |
| 12:40.52 | HyperDevi | mail: command not found |
| 12:41.09 | hark | HyperDevi: install mailx |
| 12:41.19 | HyperDevi | ok :) |
| 12:41.24 | hark | or /msg dpkg search |
| 12:41.50 | jmd_ | I thought that was in essential |
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| 12:44.07 | hark | jmd_: well, i guess you can check via gconf-editor the applets being loaded and remove the one causing the problem |
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| 12:45.59 | Lcarsdata | Supaplex: you still here? |
| 12:46.20 | jmd_ | I find gconf-editor so hard to use. |
| 12:47.11 | jmd_ | So far as I can see, there's no single place it tells me what applet are being loaded. |
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| 12:47.25 | burre | how to copy partition to unpartitioned space? |
| 12:47.27 | Lcarsdata | Anyways, I was told by Supaplex that Debain CD1 came with drivers for my USB wi-fi stick, what do I do to install them? |
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| 12:49.07 | jmd_ | I've even tried deleting my ~/.gconf directory but that didn't make a difference. |
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| 12:49.44 | Pobega | jmd_: What's the problem you're having? |
| 12:50.00 | hark | jmd_: i don't remember exactly where, but i'll check. I just have to finish some work now :0 |
| 12:50.27 | Lcarsdata | WTF is Epiphany Web Browser, why not come with Firefox? |
| 12:50.34 | azeem | jmd_: try to move away ~/.gnome2 |
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| 12:50.45 | azeem | Lcarsdata: Epiphany is the Gnome web browser |
| 12:50.48 | jmd_ | Pobega, Whenever I log into Gnome I get an annoying warning dialog about missing applets. |
| 12:50.51 | Lcarsdata | k |
| 12:50.53 | azeem | Lcarsdata: install iseweasel if you want firefox |
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| 12:51.02 | jmd_ | azeem, Yes. I tried that too. |
| 12:51.05 | Lcarsdata | I need to set up my wifi first |
| 12:51.29 | dutchfish | !iceweasel |
| 12:51.29 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 12:51.36 | burre | I deleted my partition. is there a way to recreate it without losing the data? |
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| 12:51.42 | Pobega | jmd_: Have you tried reinstalling the gnome-applets package? |
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| 12:52.19 | clars | can I make an netinstall by only having an floppy dreve |
| 12:52.24 | Pobega | burre: Look into a LiveCD called "systemrescuecd" and read some of the documentation, it should really be able to help you out. I've never done it myself, though. |
| 12:52.28 | jmd_ | Pobega, I did a dist-upgrade, which did that, I think |
| 12:52.36 | jmd_ | That's when the problem started. |
| 12:52.48 | abrotman | !bf |
| 12:52.48 | dpkg | sarge floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 12:52.50 | dvs | clars: yes, there is (at least was) a floppy install |
| 12:52.53 | Pobega | jmd_: I would do it manually. aptitude reinstall gnome-applets gnome-applets-data |
| 12:52.59 | abrotman | replace etch with sarge in that URL |
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| 12:53.05 | burre | Pobega, there was some trick (first create the partition and then the filesystem) |
| 12:53.12 | jmd_ | Pobega, I'll try that. |
| 12:53.57 | Pobega | burre: Ah, I've never done it before. If you're trying to restore the partition though SysRescCD should work fine, in the wiki just search something like "restoring partitions" |
| 12:53.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, looks like dpkg is wrong this time with bf |
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| 12:54.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:54.31 | jmd_ | Pobega, All it has done is to remove two packages. The problem still exists. |
| 12:54.38 | burre | Pobega, I dont have the connection to download burn cd right now |
| 12:54.42 | clars | dvs, oki |
| 12:54.43 | abrotman | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 12:54.44 | abrotman | works for me |
| 12:55.43 | clars | abrotman, nice |
| 12:55.54 | dutchfish | abrotman, i meant this If you want lenny/testing change stable to lenny :) |
| 12:56.00 | Lcarsdata | I was told by Supaplex that Debain CD1 came with drivers for my USB wi-fi stick, what do I do to install them? |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | dutchfish: i noticed .. |
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| 12:56.11 | Pobega | jmd_: It should remove followed by installing them. Then restart GNOME, and it *should* work. |
| 12:56.41 | jmd_ | Pobega, Alright. I'll restart gnome. |
| 12:56.59 | mfrisch | abrotman: don't you ever sleep? |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:57.13 | Lcarsdata | OK, I will just put the stick into the PC and see what happens. |
| 12:57.24 | abrotman | !bf |
| 12:57.25 | dpkg | from memory, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "stable" to "lenny". |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | dutchfish: better ? |
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| 12:57.57 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx ;) |
| 12:58.05 | clars | abrotman, did you then - just copy the .img fil on to the floppy or do you unpack it before |
| 12:58.12 | tolecnal | Anyone in here know of a good reliable backup provider that supports rsync? Not too costly, on a budget :) |
| 12:58.12 | Pobega | Shouldn't it be 'change "etch" to "lenny".'? There is no stable in the URL. |
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| 12:58.22 | earthian | what is the *safe* disk partitioning/partitions editing tool in debian atm??? |
| 12:58.33 | jmd_ | Pobega, Didn't fix the problem :( |
| 12:58.40 | Pobega | earthian: gparted is good if you need GTK+. |
| 12:58.57 | Pobega | jmd_: Okay, what's the *exact* error you're getting? |
| 12:59.03 | zamuro | earthian: I personally use gparted... |
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| 12:59.09 | earthian | i see |
| 12:59.13 | dvs | abrotman: There's a "stable" in the bf factoid? ;-) |
| 12:59.22 | earthian | i will use it too then. and hope that it wont fuk up my fs |
| 12:59.28 | abrotman | dvs: i already changed it :) |
| 12:59.32 | jmd_ | Pobega, "Some panel items are no longer available |
| 12:59.33 | jmd_ | " |
| 12:59.40 | jmd_ | ne or more panel items (also referred to as applets) are no longer available in the GNOME desktop. |
| 12:59.40 | jmd_ | These items will now be removed from your configuration: |
| 12:59.41 | jmd_ | You will not receive this message again. |
| 12:59.41 | Pobega | earthian: Just don't partition it while it's mounted ;D |
| 12:59.41 | dvs | abrotman: you're too fast for me! |
| 12:59.53 | abrotman | dvs: and i'm on dialup! |
| 13:00.10 | abrotman | dvs: the router is overheating i think |
| 13:00.16 | abrotman | wifi/broadband router |
| 13:00.22 | tolecnal | dialup? does that still exist? |
| 13:00.23 | Pobega | jmd_: Hmm...Maybe try dpkg-reconfigure gnome-panel, or something similar. If the applet isn't there there is no way to remove it as far as I know. |
| 13:00.23 | zamuro | earthian: There is a gparted bootcd you can use... |
| 13:00.39 | earthian | ok |
| 13:00.44 | Pobega | aptitude purge gnome-panel; aptitude install gnome-panel |
| 13:01.03 | Pobega | But like I said, I'm pretty sure you'll lose all of the panel configuration (Which is what we're going for) |
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| 13:01.25 | burre | how do i create partition without formatting it/ |
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| 13:01.49 | jmd_ | Pobega, That will remove a lot of dependent packages ... |
| 13:01.52 | zamuro | burre: You can resize it via gparted |
| 13:01.54 | Pobega | jmd_: If that doesn't work, there is probably something in the ~/.gnome directory (Or a similar directorry, I don't use GNOME) |
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| 13:02.10 | Pobega | A directory called ~/.gnome-panel would make this 100x easier. |
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| 13:02.35 | jmd_ | I tried removing ~/.g* but even that didn't help |
| 13:03.02 | burre | zamuro, resize what? the filesystem? |
| 13:03.11 | burre | I want to make partition without formatting it |
| 13:03.13 | zamuro | burre: The partition. |
| 13:03.22 | burre | if i make it with qtparted, it formats |
| 13:03.25 | Pobega | jmd_: I'm sorry to cut this short, but I have to go with my family to breakfast. |
| 13:03.36 | Pobega | jmd_: Good luck with your problem. |
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| 13:03.55 | zamuro | No need to... As long as you *don't* resize while mounted, that'll work. |
| 13:04.09 | dutchfish | pardon me its ./gnome2 on etch ... |
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| 13:04.35 | Lcarsdata | Earlier today I was told in this channel that Debian came with the drivers for my wireless USB stick. Can somone tell me how I install my wireless USB stick? |
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| 13:04.55 | zamuro | Lcarsdata: Just stick it in the port. |
| 13:05.00 | Lcarsdata | And... |
| 13:05.03 | Lcarsdata | It works? |
| 13:05.09 | Lcarsdata | alright!!!!! |
| 13:05.10 | zamuro | Should do... |
| 13:05.12 | Lcarsdata | Thanks. |
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| 13:10.03 | gulars | My debian setup have stopped automounting cdroms and dvd's... |
| 13:10.19 | gulars | any ideas as to how that can be fixed? |
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| 13:11.09 | zamuro | gulars: Which Desktop Environment are you using. |
| 13:11.20 | gulars | kde |
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| 13:11.49 | zamuro | Did you check /etc/fstab after the media was inserted? |
| 13:12.25 | zamuro | Maybe you just checked the "Don't do anything" when the window popped up after the media was inserted. |
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| 13:12.58 | Lcarsdata | zamuro: talking too me? |
| 13:13.00 | Lcarsdata | Who? Me? |
| 13:13.02 | zamuro | Lcarsdata: No. |
| 13:13.12 | Lcarsdata | ok |
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| 13:13.34 | zamuro | Lcarsdata: BTW... Did the usb work? |
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| 13:13.39 | gulars | nop, it still gives me the window with the new media inserted thing, but when I choose "open in new window" it gives me an error message, "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" |
| 13:13.41 | Lcarsdata | zamuro: no |
| 13:14.01 | Lcarsdata | it says stuff about it when the pc switches on. but i have no idea how to configure it |
| 13:14.03 | Lcarsdata | g2g |
| 13:14.05 | Lcarsdata | later |
| 13:14.09 | gulars | but that directory should be autocreated, right? |
| 13:14.35 | gulars | last line in fstab: /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 13:14.59 | mfrisch | gulars: no make it...it seems it got removed (or the link) |
| 13:16.02 | zamuro | gulars: Try mount -l and figure where is the unit mounted. |
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| 13:16.26 | zamuro | Maybe it's not /media/cdrom0/, but just /cdrom/ |
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| 13:16.50 | zamuro | Although those are symlinked |
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| 13:16.54 | mfrisch | zamuro: on sarge it is. but it even had /media |
| 13:17.45 | mfrisch | It is whatever is in FSTAB I have /media/cdrom /media/dvd |
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| 13:18.08 | Belisarivs | Hi. Does anybody here have any experiences with packaging scripts used to create deb packages? |
| 13:18.36 | debiantonio | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:18.36 | debiantonio | /dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:18.45 | debiantonio | 4.0 |
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| 13:19.14 | azeem | Belisarivs: can you ask more specific? |
| 13:19.16 | mfrisch | I had to create my line in fstab for the dvd |
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| 13:20.29 | Belisarivs | One guy is creating Atol filemanager. He provided scripts to create deb package (those stored in debian dir), but fakeroot debian/rules binary failed to create such package. |
| 13:21.07 | Belisarivs | But creator of Atol stated, that in Ubuntu it is fine for him. |
| 13:21.37 | Belisarivs | I use Sid, BTW. |
| 13:21.57 | azeem | Belisarivs: what's the error message |
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| 13:22.12 | Belisarivs | Compiling went OK. |
| 13:22.25 | kbrooks | How do I get rid of residual configuration packages without synaptic? |
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| 13:22.39 | Belisarivs | make[1]: Leaving directory `~/atol-0.7.6' |
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| 13:22.39 | Belisarivs | install: omitting directory `./debian/atol' |
| 13:22.39 | Belisarivs | make: *** [deb] Error 1 |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | kbrooks: you mean config files ? |
| 13:22.54 | kbrooks | abrotman, sorry, yes. |
| 13:23.00 | azeem | Belisarivs: the error should be above that; paste the last 20 lines or so to a pastebin |
| 13:23.03 | azeem | !paste |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | kbrooks: man dpkg |
| 13:23.28 | dountby | my sarge -> etch upgrade doesnt seem to work |
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| 13:23.44 | dountby | im folluwing the release notes |
| 13:23.46 | dountby | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 13:24.02 | azeem | dountby: what's the problem? |
| 13:24.18 | Belisarivs | I get proxy error when attempting to go to those pages. |
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| 13:24.35 | azeem | Belisarivs: what "those pages"? http://channels.debian.net/paste ? |
| 13:24.48 | Belisarivs | yes |
| 13:24.53 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:24.55 | azeem | !pasetbin |
| 13:24.58 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 13:24.59 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 13:25.07 | azeem | Belisarivs: use http://pastebin.ca then |
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| 13:26.16 | Belisarivs | http://pastebin.ca/441039 |
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| 13:26.56 | Belisarivs | So it compiles well. |
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| 13:27.19 | Belisarivs | BTW, that file manager is here http://atol.sourceforge.net/temp/ |
| 13:27.25 | msingh | where is java installed by apt-get? |
| 13:27.33 | azeem | Belisarivs: weird, no idea what is going wrong here, sorry |
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| 13:27.57 | abrotman | maybe needs a make clean ? |
| 13:28.00 | dembug | hello all :) |
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| 13:28.10 | kbrooks | bbl |
| 13:28.19 | Belisarivs | I managed to find it out. But don't know how to deal with it to make it run on Debian and Ubuntu. |
| 13:28.42 | dembug | I'm using etch with proftpd 1.3.0 and I'm rather shocked that for some reason RateReadBPS doesn't work.. we just got our bandwidth bill at work - it's not smart :< |
| 13:28.47 | Belisarivs | Previous versions of Atol compiled and packaged well for me. |
| 13:28.54 | dembug | Any idea why RateReadBPS wont work at all? |
| 13:28.54 | quenton | i copied the MBR fr hda to sda. now i cannot cfdisk or mount /dev/sda. would deleting the copied MBR recovery the drive? if so, how to delete the MBR fr sda? |
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| 13:29.15 | Belisarivs | But developer mentioned, that he had to do some fixes to make it working on Ubuntu, too. |
| 13:29.35 | tolecnal | msingh: aptitude install sun-java5-bin |
| 13:29.46 | tolecnal | msingh: make sure you have non-free enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:29.55 | dembug | Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'RateReadBPS' |
| 13:30.13 | enouf | quenton: what's on sda besides the MBR you copied over .. and how did you do that (exact commands) |
| 13:30.43 | enouf | quenton: and why the heck did you do it :-p |
| 13:31.12 | enouf | dountby: what exactly goes wrong? |
| 13:31.17 | Tallu | Hey uhm. I installed etch on a sata disk and the installation went fine, installed grub to mbr and after starting up it says error 21 (google says hd not found). I booted up a live cd and the /dev/sda1 (which is my boot partition) has a valid menu.lst and points to /dev/sda2 which is the root partition etc, what could have gone wrong? or maybe no support in the initramfs for the sata disk? |
| 13:31.39 | jetscreamer | Tallu: how many ide controllers |
| 13:31.51 | jetscreamer | Tallu: what is the exact error |
| 13:31.53 | dembug | anybody know if RateReadBPS was dropped in proftpd after 1.3.0? |
| 13:32.03 | abrotman | dembug: there's a proftpd channel |
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| 13:32.08 | dembug | i'm in there too , honest |
| 13:32.19 | hark | dembug: read the changelog? |
| 13:32.22 | dembug | Was wondering if it was a debian specific thing thats all |
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| 13:32.33 | quenton | enouf: i had earliet rsync the '/' of hda2 over to sda7 as a backup. lately, hda2 is unstable in operation. i am preparing sda7 to take over. the command i used to copy the MBR is: dd if=/dev/hda count=1 bs=512 of=/dev/sda. |
| 13:32.34 | dembug | I have, I can't see it being removed, guessing I'm doing something wrong. |
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| 13:32.43 | jetscreamer | Tallu: you might try booting a grub floppy and runnint grub-install hd0 |
| 13:32.46 | dembug | thanks anyway ;< |
| 13:32.49 | jetscreamer | running |
| 13:32.50 | msingh | tolecnal, found it. it was in /var/... |
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| 13:33.17 | enouf | Tallu: check your device.map file entries are correct .. and kernel and initrd lines are too .. also check menu.lst for an incorrect #groot=/dev/ entry |
| 13:33.44 | HellTiger | firefox http://fukung.net/v/2339/firefoxylady.jpg |
| 13:34.01 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
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| 13:34.23 | enouf | quenton: that wouldn't work unles sda an hda have the exact smae partition layout |
| 13:34.58 | Orphis | Debian installer doesn't work on my system ? What should I do ?! |
| 13:35.06 | abrotman | give us more details |
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| 13:35.36 | Orphis | I have a common computer with athlon processor (so I've used the i386 cd/dvd) |
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| 13:36.00 | Orphis | When I try to boot the cd/dvd I just have a black screen with a blinking "_" cursor |
| 13:36.07 | Orphis | Nothig more |
| 13:36.09 | Tallu | jetscreamer: will have to try that, one ide controller i believe. i cant get the exact details yet as i was installing to a remote site hehe. when trying to run from chroot after live cd it just said hd0 cannot find file |
| 13:36.12 | quenton | enouf: now i know. can i recover my sda by deleting the MBR? |
| 13:36.13 | Tallu | enouf: okay, will do |
| 13:36.14 | enouf | quenton: you shouldn't need to do that anyways for what I can ascertain what you're trtying to accomplish .. just (on sdaX) edit your menu.lst, /etc/fstab and install grub into MBR of sda |
| 13:36.19 | azeem | Orphis: did you verify that the burn was ok? |
| 13:36.24 | abrotman | Orphis: did you burn it as an ISO ? |
| 13:36.26 | Orphis | I've tried the windows debian installer |
| 13:36.35 | abrotman | and at what speed ? |
| 13:36.37 | enouf | quenton: you'd need to put back the correct MBR .. wherevcer that is .. p00f |
| 13:36.57 | enouf | quenton: try a tool such as ; hold a sec |
| 13:37.04 | Orphis | And same problem when I try to boot after selecting the partition in the ntldr |
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| 13:37.34 | Orphis | Yes the burn is ok, I have burnt the iso correctly, it boots fine on other computers |
| 13:37.38 | neuro` | hello |
| 13:37.49 | Orphis | And the faulty computer boots xp installation cd fine |
| 13:37.50 | neuro` | why is apache 2 mod_security out of etch ? |
| 13:38.03 | dountby | when someone tals to me like: doutby: etc... |
| 13:38.20 | abrotman | Orphis: what speed did you burn it ? |
| 13:38.26 | dountby | is it correct to answer with /msg <username> etc... ? |
| 13:38.28 | Orphis | 1x |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | dountby: no |
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| 13:38.36 | dountby | oops |
| 13:38.38 | Orphis | Well, ,I4ve tried different speeds |
| 13:38.39 | jetscreamer | no dountby |
| 13:38.41 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 13:38.47 | Orphis | But the media is not at fault |
| 13:38.50 | abrotman | dountby: they might even ignore you from that point on |
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| 13:38.51 | jetscreamer | omg! |
| 13:39.01 | HardDisk_WP | Hey. |
| 13:39.08 | jetscreamer | donut boy.. ab-rot-man... it's the super duo!!! |
| 13:39.09 | dountby | i thaught thats the same :-) |
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| 13:39.14 | HardDisk_WP | Does anyone know a live cd which can resize NTFS partitions?` |
| 13:39.19 | quenton | enouf: back to what you said earlier. initially, i did edit menu.lst and /etc/fstab without copying over the MBR. I get "GRUB hard disk error" on boot. Then I copied over the MBR and now i get GRUB error 17. |
| 13:39.38 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: gparted claims to, i didn't have much sucess with it 6 months ago |
| 13:39.57 | quenton | enouf: initially, sda is without an MBR, right? |
| 13:39.57 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, :( |
| 13:39.58 | jetscreamer | quenton: dd the partition not the mbr |
| 13:40.15 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: they've had a while to work on it... |
| 13:40.30 | dountby | abrotman: when you say something like dountby: .... i see your username highligted. is this the case with mine NOW? |
| 13:40.31 | HardDisk_WP | k |
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| 13:40.43 | Orphis | So how can I install debian when the installer fails to run ?! |
| 13:40.46 | jetscreamer | yes nonutboy |
| 13:40.49 | jetscreamer | err sorry |
| 13:40.57 | jetscreamer | donutboy |
| 13:41.04 | azeem | Orphis: via netboot, e.g. |
| 13:41.06 | jetscreamer | that was really a typo, i swear |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | dountby: yep .. try hitting typing "abrot<tab>" |
| 13:41.18 | azeem | Orphis: or try to boot from USB stick or floppy |
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| 13:41.32 | quenton | jetscreamer: i can't do anything with sda now unless i can recover it. |
| 13:41.32 | enouf | quenton: sda7 implioes there's a completely differnet partition layout |
| 13:41.34 | dountby | abrotman: ahhhh! |
| 13:41.35 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.41 | abrotman | dountby: make more sense ? |
| 13:41.45 | quenton | enouf: correct. |
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| 13:41.51 | dountby | abrotman: yes :-) |
| 13:41.56 | enouf | quenton: no .. as soon as you have sda1 .. a MBR exists |
| 13:41.56 | Orphis | No working floppy drive, and I can't get my mobo to boot from my USB LS10 drive |
| 13:42.09 | jetscreamer | quenton: nuke the mbr and the partitions, dd the old partition to sda , again. |
| 13:42.29 | jetscreamer | unless you don't have the old one |
| 13:42.37 | jetscreamer | anymore |
| 13:42.39 | quenton | jetscreamer: explain nuke pls. |
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| 13:42.53 | enouf | quenton: what's the layout for hda vs sda ? |
| 13:42.54 | Orphis | And I've tried netboot but it doesn't seem to work with my ethernet cards |
| 13:42.56 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 13:43.03 | jetscreamer | ctrlc after a while |
| 13:43.03 | enouf | quenton: what's on each disk? |
| 13:43.19 | enouf | quenton: do NOT do that |
| 13:43.34 | jetscreamer | do not do that if you hope to recover your data on sda |
| 13:43.41 | blujay | Has anyone had trouble with ssh lately? Suddenly it's just hanging on me in the middle of the auth process, but if I try to connect to the same server with a different user account, it works. |
| 13:43.41 | enouf | quenton: not yet .. until we know just wtf you have there |
| 13:43.43 | dountby | azeem: sorry, i thaught "azeem:" and /msg azeem is the same |
| 13:43.45 | jetscreamer | do that if you still have your old data on hda |
| 13:43.50 | jetscreamer | and want to start anew |
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| 13:44.15 | quenton | hda has debian 'testing', and sda is my rsync backup for hda. |
| 13:44.19 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 13:44.24 | azeem | dountby: it's not; as you're not identified to nickserv, I don't see your /msg |
| 13:44.36 | quenton | perhaps 'was' is more correct now. |
| 13:44.37 | dountby | oops |
| 13:44.50 | dountby | azeem: didnt know |
| 13:45.09 | dountby | azeem: in fact i was talking the whole time :-) |
| 13:45.14 | jetscreamer | you have the partition, you boot a grub floppy into it, you run grub-install hd0 |
| 13:45.42 | dountby | azeem: may i tell you "again"? |
| 13:45.50 | quenton | jetscreamer: sorry, no floppy, binary cd-1, yes. |
| 13:45.52 | azeem | dountby: don't /msg people in here |
| 13:45.56 | jetscreamer | !tell dountby -about paste |
| 13:45.56 | enouf | dountby: speak in public please |
| 13:46.16 | gravity | hi |
| 13:46.21 | jetscreamer | or cd with grub on it also |
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| 13:46.33 | dountby | azeem: doesnt anybody see this now? |
| 13:46.36 | jetscreamer | anyway, quenton do what enouf says |
| 13:46.40 | quenton | dd will not touch MBR? |
| 13:46.43 | jetscreamer | dountby: yes we see it in here |
| 13:46.51 | enouf | we see it .. now ask already dountby |
| 13:46.56 | azeem | dountby: what are you trying to do? Do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:46.59 | quenton | enouf: what say ye now? |
| 13:47.01 | jetscreamer | quenton: not if you do the partition, as in sda1 or hda1 |
| 13:47.21 | jetscreamer | quenton: if you do sda though yes it will |
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| 13:48.00 | asad2005 | i have a 6 port serial card, kernel 2.6.15 detects all of them where as other kernels only detect 3 at best how can i detect the rest with other kernels |
| 13:48.10 | enouf | quenton: I have no idea how you have sda setup .. but it doesn't appear as of yet, that they are partitioned the same, and if not, then coopying the MBR will get you nowhere .. except loss of hair maybe |
| 13:48.10 | alanhaggai | I wanted to download Debian. So is only CD1 needed for installation? |
| 13:48.18 | alanhaggai | Or do I need the wholeset? |
| 13:48.20 | dountby | the aptitude-command according to etch-release-notes which should tell me how much packages will be installed and how much disk-space that will need just tells me, that nothing will be installed |
| 13:48.26 | dvs | alanhaggai: yup |
| 13:48.29 | jetscreamer | alanhaggai: yes, just cd#1, or the netinst |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | alanhaggai: only the netinst if you have broadband |
| 13:48.33 | dountby | 0 packages |
| 13:48.47 | azeem | dountby: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 13:48.53 | alanhaggai | That is great! I will download CD1 and start installing. Thank you friends :) |
| 13:49.06 | enouf | quenton: what's wrong with hda? |
| 13:49.39 | quenton | jetscreamer: enouf: i am certain that the partitions of the two drives are different. so copying over the MBR is wrong. now how to recover sda is my concern. |
| 13:49.42 | jetscreamer | asad2005: there is a setting in the modules for multiple ports on serial cards, and other serial card things... all i know |
| 13:49.48 | dountby | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:49.58 | azeem | dountby: you're already running etch it seems |
| 13:50.05 | azeem | dountby: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 13:50.07 | jetscreamer | quenton: does it mount with a livecd, or did you trash the fs by copying over the mbr |
| 13:50.17 | enouf | quenton: you need a partition guessing tool .. unfortunately , i can't recall it['s name , though recovery tools are INSERT, testdisk, GRML.org, etc |
| 13:50.34 | enouf | quenton: google for them, obtain them, use them |
| 13:50.45 | dountby | azeem: 4.0 |
| 13:50.49 | quenton | enouf: hda is about 3 yrs old now. recently, the system frequently resets itself. thatis why i am preparing a contingency drive with sda. |
| 13:50.50 | asad2005 | jetscreamer, you mean in the kernel ? can i add that module to other kernels ? |
| 13:50.59 | azeem | dountby: so you already run it; when did you install Debian? |
| 13:51.16 | enouf | quenton: once you get that debacle sorted, then replace hda, if defective, and wory about rsyncing back from sda to hda |
| 13:51.23 | dountby | azeem: a week ago or something |
| 13:51.26 | enouf | quenton: from sda to the new hda |
| 13:51.33 | jetscreamer | asad2005: i just know that what i said is in there, how or when to use it i don't know.. but there it is. |
| 13:51.35 | azeem | dountby: so you probably installed 4.0 alrady |
| 13:51.38 | azeem | aready* |
| 13:51.45 | dountby | azeem: i think im goning crazy or something |
| 13:51.58 | jetscreamer | quenton: so you still have hda and all it's data, right? |
| 13:52.09 | azeem | dountby: what is your problem? You seem to be looking for problems that don't exist |
| 13:52.25 | quenton | jetscreamer: yes, thks god. |
| 13:52.37 | jetscreamer | quenton: so just nuke sda and start over |
| 13:52.39 | quenton | i just lost the backup. |
| 13:52.43 | enouf | dountby: what's your sources.list say? |
| 13:53.13 | enouf | jetscreamer: stop .. his sda is hhis only good rsynced copy .. afaict |
| 13:53.25 | jetscreamer | he has hda he says, enouf |
| 13:53.28 | jetscreamer | still |
| 13:53.29 | enouf | jetscreamer: and hda is broken physically afaict |
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| 13:53.51 | enouf | jetscreamer: maybe he;s not explaining it right :-( |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | how about boot a liveCD and check the drives ? |
| 13:54.22 | gofer | anybody want some coffee? |
| 13:54.28 | enouf | jetscreamer: stop .. his sda is hhis only good rsynced copy .. afaict --> SANS the MBR only |
| 13:54.44 | enouf | apologies about the stop nonsense .. |
| 13:54.53 | gofer | [08.52.38] <jetscreamer> quenton: so you still have hda and all it's data, right? [08.53.06] <quenton> jetscreamer: yes, thks god. |
| 13:54.59 | gofer | all i know |
| 13:55.00 | Danic | I want to install less on Debian 4 with "apt-get install less". But I get an error: Paket less has no installation candidate. Can anybody help a debian beginner?` |
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| 13:55.06 | abrotman | how about boot a liveCD and check the drives ? |
| 13:55.07 | enouf | can you access hda? |
| 13:55.17 | quenton | jetscreamer: i think i'll do that. now to get it right the next time, after partitioning sda, i should dd the hda partition over to sda, edit menu.lst and /etc/fstab, and i should be able to boot up a system close to the original, is this correct? |
| 13:55.22 | enouf | having the data means shit, if you can't get at it |
| 13:55.29 | abrotman | !info less etch |
| 13:55.39 | Danic | !info less etch |
| 13:55.40 | jetscreamer | quenton: all you have to do is dd hda1 to sda1 |
| 13:55.53 | jetscreamer | if that is what you want, and enouf approves :) |
| 13:56.05 | Danic | !info less |
| 13:56.09 | dpkg | less: (Pager program similar to more), section text, is standard. Version: 394-4 (etch), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 13:56.13 | abrotman | he could at lesat see where his data is instead of you two just guessing |
| 13:56.17 | dpkg | less: (Pager program similar to more), section text, is standard. Version: 394-4 (etch), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
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| 13:56.37 | jetscreamer | quenton: you'll probably have a lot of freespace at the end of sda1 though... you can also just boot a livecd, create partitions, and cp -a the old to the new |
| 13:56.54 | dountby | enouf: may i post it here? |
| 13:56.55 | jetscreamer | cp the files, not dd, i mean |
| 13:57.13 | dountby | enouf: only a few lines |
| 13:57.17 | enouf | quenton: befiore you go further and hda is still wortking correctly, do "sfdisk -d /dev/hda > /home/user/BACKUP-of-Partition-Tables-HDA" (read man sfdisk BEFORE doing it ,, IIRC it's the -d option) |
| 13:57.21 | abrotman | is it really that hard to check te contents of the drive? |
| 13:57.31 | enouf | dountby: no |
| 13:57.35 | enouf | dountby: use a pastebin |
| 13:58.03 | dountby | enouf: er ... that is? |
| 13:58.13 | enouf | jetscreamer: cut that out .. --> "if i approve .." .. :-P |
| 13:58.21 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 13:58.29 | enouf | dountby: /msg dpkg paster |
| 13:58.36 | jetscreamer | !tell dountby -about paste |
| 13:58.37 | quenton | enouf: sfdisk could be the saving grace, thks. |
| 13:58.52 | ooglaboogla | does this look correct for building my kernel after running make xconfig and changing the option to enable boot graphic |
| 13:58.53 | ooglaboogla | make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 13:58.53 | kompressor | Hey im trying installing debian etch on my computer but with every install it fails with an crc error |
| 13:58.56 | Enselic | I am instaling 4.0 on a system that has a working GRUB installation. Debian asks me where I want to write GRUB. What shall I do? |
| 13:58.58 | jetscreamer | but somebody else said they couldn't /msg dpkg because they were not identified |
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| 13:59.02 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 13:59.04 | kompressor | what could it be? |
| 13:59.11 | enouf | dountby: dpkg is the channel bot , that's one thing you can /msg .. without permission needed |
| 13:59.14 | jetscreamer | Enselic: to mbr is 'usually' safe' |
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| 13:59.29 | Enselic | jetscreamer: even when GRUB already is installed there? |
| 13:59.30 | enouf | bah .. YEs .. you need to be registered |
| 13:59.47 | jetscreamer | Enselic: it works for me ... all i know |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | no |
| 13:59.49 | enouf | dountby: channel.debian.net , or pastebin.ca |
| 13:59.56 | abrotman | anyone can msg the bot |
| 14:00.06 | enouf | dountby: er --> channels.debian.net (???) , or www.pastebin.ca |
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| 14:00.18 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:00.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 14:00.28 | enouf | yeah .. heh |
| 14:00.39 | kompressor | hey does anyone know what crcerrors are |
| 14:00.42 | kompressor | ? |
| 14:00.52 | streuner | gravity: everything ok? |
| 14:00.52 | gofer | /msg dpkg seems to work |
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| 14:01.27 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 14:01.28 | xingu | kompressor: cyclic redundancy check - error detection in a bit/byte stream. |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | kompressor: CRC is cyclical redundancy check |
| 14:01.42 | jetscreamer | streuner: he's probably taking in the wonder that is sunday |
| 14:01.47 | Orphis | How can I install Debian if the installer doesn't run from cd, dvd, floppy or harddrive ? |
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| 14:01.49 | jetscreamer | check md5sum? |
| 14:01.51 | kompressor | xingu what to do to fix it? |
| 14:02.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the sunday show is you and enouf so far ... |
| 14:02.12 | xingu | kompressor: depends what sort of transport you're talking about; what's logging the error? |
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| 14:02.31 | jetscreamer | Orphis: sometimes i have better luck with a cd-r instead of a cd-rw |
| 14:02.37 | jetscreamer | when it's being flaky |
| 14:02.43 | ve1drg | "/msg dpkg guildelines" |
| 14:02.43 | jetscreamer | it being my drive |
| 14:03.07 | kompressor | that's a bit hard to log.. im trying intsalling etch on my computer it can only bee seen at boot |
| 14:03.08 | Orphis | jetscreamer, I've even tried from hard drive |
| 14:03.25 | dountby | enouf: sorry, but all links to http://channels.debian.net/paste/, http://channels.debian.net/paste2/, etc. that dpkg provide dont work (502 proxy error) |
| 14:03.28 | asg | !pimp xingu |
| 14:03.32 | Orphis | The problem is not the media, it's the installer ! |
| 14:03.38 | dountby | enouf: ill need some time to figure that out |
| 14:03.47 | kompressor | xingu but ive tried multiple cd-roms and floppies to do the netboot |
| 14:03.51 | jetscreamer | Orphis: it would be a 700mb d/l but see if a kanotix livecd works? |
| 14:04.02 | azeem | Orphis: if you burn other GNU/Linux distribution's installers, do they work fine? |
| 14:04.09 | kompressor | xingu everytime i get this error |
| 14:04.10 | xingu | kompressor: more detail needed I think, maybe use a phone or digital camera and take a picture. |
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| 14:04.17 | enouf | dountby: well .. what's the problem anyways ? .. you said sarge->etch wasn't wprking ? |
| 14:04.20 | gravity | streuner: Yeah, why? |
| 14:04.26 | Orphis | I'll try knoppix... |
| 14:04.34 | streuner | dpkg, literal cmd (.*?) pimp |
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| 14:06.13 | abrotman | streuner: learn how to use the bot .. or try /msg :) |
| 14:06.14 | kompressor | xingu i remember tis an I/0 error when loading the innithrid.gz ( something liek it ) |
| 14:06.16 | dountby | enouf: you said i have etch already installed :-) - im stunned by that. i looked in my "old" sources.list and it really says nothing about sarge, |
| 14:06.36 | streuner | gravity: well, we have not only friends... |
| 14:06.42 | dountby | enouf: but "stable mail" |
| 14:06.45 | enouf | dountby: I said? |
| 14:06.51 | dountby | enouf: but "stable main" |
| 14:06.57 | xingu | kompressor: how much memory does this system have? and what architecture (i386, ppc, etc) is it? |
| 14:07.02 | enouf | dountby: well .. what's the problem? |
| 14:07.07 | jetscreamer | literal cmd(.*?) pimp |
| 14:07.13 | jetscreamer | !literal cmd(.*?) pimp |
| 14:07.13 | azeem | dountby: one week ago, stable *was* etch |
| 14:07.18 | dountby | enouf: er - azaam then, sorry |
| 14:07.19 | jetscreamer | just checking |
| 14:07.28 | xingu | kompressor: ... and really, we do need to see the exact error - a digital photo is fine |
| 14:07.28 | jetscreamer | :/ i don't know how to use the bot either |
| 14:07.30 | kompressor | 256, I386 p3 celeron 800ghz |
| 14:07.33 | nn-laptop | i have run into a problem where audacity saved the project but the project file died is there a program where you can combine 200 audio pieces into one file |
| 14:07.40 | azeem | dountby: just accept that you're running etch and go on with your live |
| 14:07.42 | azeem | life* |
| 14:07.48 | streuner | dpkg, literal CMD: pimp (.*?) |
| 14:07.49 | dpkg | "cmd: pimp (.*?)" is "($nick): <action> pimps $nick for only $1, while stating: "cheap whores are my speciality..." :P" |
| 14:07.49 | dountby | enouf: how can i check my kernel-version? |
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| 14:08.00 | enouf | dountby: cat /proc/version |
| 14:08.02 | jetscreamer | oh cool |
| 14:08.02 | kompressor | xingu aint possible to make photo |
| 14:08.05 | nn-laptop | the pieces were numbrd in order |
| 14:08.11 | enouf | dountby: also uname -r |
| 14:08.23 | dountby | enouf: Linux version 2.6.8-3-386 .... |
| 14:08.30 | gravity | streuner: I don't get it... |
| 14:08.31 | streuner | asg: did you fix the cmd yet? |
| 14:08.34 | enouf | dountby: ok .. and? |
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| 14:08.37 | dountby | enouf: is that an etch kernel? |
| 14:08.37 | asg | streuner: no, feel free |
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| 14:08.46 | azeem | dountby: no, that's sarge |
| 14:08.48 | enouf | dountby: no .. it's a sarge kernel |
| 14:08.59 | xingu | kompressor: ok, shouldn't really be any weirdness loading that image; probably start with memtestx86 to validate the hardware is ok. |
| 14:09.09 | jetscreamer | the kernel isn't automagically upgraded unless you have a kernel metapackage |
| 14:09.12 | streuner | gravity: well, i think you aren't amused about the whole discussion about ./ and the personal attacs |
| 14:09.19 | dountby | then im running sarge, dont i? |
| 14:09.21 | nn-laptop | orderd like this /media/sdb1/sermon-4-8-07_data/b00388.au |
| 14:09.26 | kompressor | xingu this is everything you see with the error "uncompressing linux crc error system halted " |
| 14:09.31 | jetscreamer | dountby: just a sarge kernel |
| 14:09.35 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 14:09.45 | kompressor | how do i do the test? |
| 14:09.53 | azeem | dountby: if you have etch in sources.list, and aptitude dist-upgrade says "0 packages", you're running etch with a sarge kernel |
| 14:10.00 | enouf | dountby: if you have stable main only in your sources.list then apt-get update && apt-get dist upgrade should do it .. unless theere's some breakage in kernel transitioning I'm unaware of |
| 14:10.02 | dountby | ahhh |
| 14:10.05 | azeem | dountby: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-386 |
| 14:10.09 | xingu | kompressor: sounds like a cooling or overclocking problem I'm sorry; I'm assuming you've redownloaded your copy of the netinst cd already also. |
| 14:10.14 | dountby | didnt know thats possible :-) |
| 14:10.23 | enouf | dountby: correctioon --> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:10.28 | gravity | streuner: Ah, that. Yeah, I'm ok about it. Thanks for asking. The guy is just a troll. |
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| 14:10.40 | xingu | kompressor: www.memtest.org |
| 14:10.40 | jetscreamer | dountby: no need to remove the old kernel, just install a new one.. you can have the old for a failsafe |
| 14:10.42 | kompressor | xingu ok thanx:) |
| 14:10.43 | enouf | dountby: listen to azeem |
| 14:10.45 | gravity | streuner: I don't do what I do to please him, after all. I do it for myself. |
| 14:10.55 | enouf | desmith: you likely nee a meta kernel pkg first |
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| 14:11.14 | dountby | that sounds good |
| 14:11.18 | azeem | enouf: why make it more complicated? |
| 14:11.32 | xingu | kompressor: run memtest and see if anything turns up; apart from that - does this system have a brand and model # ? |
| 14:11.34 | enouf | I try very hard to ,.. don't ya know |
| 14:11.50 | jetscreamer | dountby: note that a kernel metapackage would probably remove the old kernel |
| 14:12.01 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 14:12.01 | dpkg | metapackage is probably a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 14:12.28 | xingu | I didn't realise that metapackage was a verb |
| 14:13.16 | jetscreamer | only in america |
| 14:13.17 | jetscreamer | and only if you're roy rodgers |
| 14:13.17 | dountby | jetscreamer: is linux-image-2.6-386 a metapackage? |
| 14:13.21 | azeem | yes |
| 14:13.29 | jetscreamer | or bruce schnier or however you spellit |
| 14:13.33 | jetscreamer | yes dountby |
| 14:13.45 | jetscreamer | the long ones usually aren't :) |
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| 14:13.57 | dountby | jetscreamer: then how do i prevent removing the old kernel? |
| 14:14.09 | jetscreamer | dountby: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 14:14.21 | streuner | asg: the cmd is from 2002, i still don't get it why nobody alter it in that time? |
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| 14:14.25 | jetscreamer | pick one, maybe do apt-cache show on it, install one |
| 14:14.51 | jetscreamer | pick a kernel not a metapackage i mean |
| 14:15.01 | azeem | dountby: check whether aptitude wants to remove the old kernel if you issue the above command, and abort if it does |
| 14:15.03 | jetscreamer | dountby: what processor in your box |
| 14:15.05 | asg | streuner: probably wasn't used often |
| 14:15.11 | jetscreamer | or do the apt-get dry run thing |
| 14:15.27 | dountby | jetscreamer: p1 233 :-) |
| 14:15.38 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.40 | dountby | azeem: ah - yes i can do that |
| 14:15.49 | enouf | dountby: you said you were follwing : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html well .. obviously you missed the "4.5.5 Upgrading the kernel" section |
| 14:15.52 | azeem | dountby: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:15.54 | jetscreamer | ah yeah you want -386... or would a -686 bee good for that |
| 14:16.01 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 14:16.13 | azeem | dountby: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-486 then |
| 14:16.16 | jetscreamer | azeem: i think he wants to keep his old kernel |
| 14:16.34 | azeem | jetscreamer: do you have evidence that it conflicts with his old kernel? |
| 14:16.37 | azeem | because I see none |
| 14:16.37 | enouf | p1 233 .. :-) |
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| 14:16.47 | enouf | -486 for you then |
| 14:17.12 | dountby | enouf: no, i didnt initially install from that, i thaoght my whole system was sarge and i was about to upgrade |
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| 14:17.30 | jetscreamer | he has sarge, but i guess i ass-u-me-d 2.6.8 |
| 14:17.40 | jetscreamer | sarge kernel |
| 14:17.43 | enouf | dountby: you do understand Sarge was Stable, and now Etch == Stable .. yes? |
| 14:17.48 | azeem | jetscreamer: yes |
| 14:17.51 | enouf | !today |
| 14:17.52 | dpkg | YeeeHahhh, Paw!! As of April 8th, 2007 : The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development; http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 ...also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 14:18.14 | jetscreamer | complete with bugs, 'just like windows!'(tm) |
| 14:18.18 | enouf | !nie |
| 14:18.19 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: ETCH IS RELEASED! http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 (As of April 8, 2007) Etch 4.0r0 is now available and is the Official Stable release .. Sarge becomes oldstable and Lenny becomes Testing! ; ask me about <Today> for more info ; also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images/guides .. or ask me about <initramfs> |
| 14:18.20 | dountby | enouf: the initial apt-source at unu aachen said only "debian" and i thaught it meant sarge |
| 14:18.31 | dountby | enouf: NOW - yes :-) |
| 14:18.37 | enouf | :-p |
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| 14:20.16 | enouf | !tardsdaysmite me |
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| 14:20.46 | azeem | enouf: please /msg the bot |
| 14:21.00 | enouf | you are too funny .. |
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| 14:21.56 | Orphis | azeem, jetscreamer Ive tested DSL but it doesn't boot either |
| 14:22.06 | azeem | Orphis: so might be a hardware issue then |
| 14:22.10 | Orphis | The problem could be in the bootloader |
| 14:22.19 | Orphis | Well, xp cd boots fine |
| 14:22.19 | azeem | or that |
| 14:22.39 | Orphis | The previous xp installation boots fine too |
| 14:22.46 | azeem | Orphis: what chipset is this? |
| 14:23.05 | jetscreamer | Orphis: did you try a cd-r and not a cd-rw? all i know of to maybe try.. |
| 14:23.10 | Orphis | not so old VIA chipset |
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| 14:23.24 | jetscreamer | you didn't like burn it as a data cd did you or anything? |
| 14:23.25 | dountby | azeem: aptitude says this: linux-image-2.6-486 linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 will be installed and nothing will be removed. seems ok then |
| 14:23.34 | jetscreamer | yay azeem |
| 14:23.36 | azeem | dountby: go ahead then |
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| 14:23.55 | Orphis | jetscreamer, because I have the same problem trying to use the debian installer from hard drive, I don't think it's a cd rw problem |
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| 14:24.21 | Orphis | Anyway, I've even burnt the first dvd on a dvd r and it does the same thing |
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| 14:24.44 | azeem | Orphis: you might be able to get better help in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, if you know your hardware specs well |
| 14:24.52 | azeem | or at least, be able to tell them there's a problem |
| 14:25.34 | Orphis | Ok thanks azeem for the pointer |
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| 14:26.12 | jetscreamer | azeem: hah |
| 14:26.18 | azeem | hah? |
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| 14:26.26 | jetscreamer | that's the worst advice i've ever seen you give :) |
| 14:26.38 | jetscreamer | debian-boot |
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| 14:27.42 | Orphis | Why jetscreamer ? |
| 14:28.06 | jetscreamer | Orphis: not important, long story, i was only kidding(kinda) |
| 14:28.20 | jetscreamer | Orphis: you can try can't hurt might help |
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| 14:29.21 | jetscreamer | Orphis: why--> Disk devices may change on reboot http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 14:29.32 | jetscreamer | not important or relevant though |
| 14:29.44 | Danic | What is the difference between "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/" and "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US/" ? |
| 14:29.54 | jetscreamer | !non-us |
| 14:29.54 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 14:30.10 | jetscreamer | so no non-us anymore |
| 14:30.14 | jetscreamer | deprecated |
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| 14:30.39 | Danic | Thank you jetscreamer |
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| 14:31.43 | jetscreamer | i would also like to see reportbug be a lot easier to use, as in not need configuring |
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| 14:31.56 | jetscreamer | /end wishlist |
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| 14:33.26 | Tallu | ok it seems that the installer detects the sata drive as scsi and sets it up as sda |
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| 14:36.28 | jetscreamer | that is the default name(s) for sata hd's isn't it? sda, sdb... |
| 14:36.37 | jetscreamer | no idea never had one :/ |
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| 14:39.32 | dountby | now the new kernel is running, but i gat a lot of "Unknown Symbol" errors when i (or alsaconf) try to load a sound-module |
| 14:39.46 | jetscreamer | err |
| 14:39.55 | azeem | dountby: do you use modprobe? |
| 14:39.55 | Tallu | jetscreamer: okay.. it just says SCSI. well, i'm doing a new install via ssh and hoping all goes well this time, going to manually check menu.lst and devices map before booting |
| 14:40.02 | dountby | is there probably an addidtional module-package for the new kernel that im missing? |
| 14:40.06 | dountby | yes |
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| 14:40.32 | jetscreamer | dountby: what was your old kernel, a 2.6 or a 2.4 |
| 14:40.40 | azeem | 2.6 |
| 14:40.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:40.51 | dountby | jetscreamer: 2.6.8something |
| 14:40.53 | azeem | dountby: paste the errors to a pastebin |
| 14:41.20 | dountby | azeem: i have ot read first how that works |
| 14:41.34 | azeem | then do that |
| 14:41.36 | jetscreamer | dountby: you just go to the site and paste |
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| 14:41.49 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 14:41.53 | jetscreamer | then paste the link (URL) here |
| 14:42.20 | dountby | jetscreamer: wich site? |
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| 14:42.34 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 14:42.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 14:42.41 | azeem | dountby: http://pastebin.ca |
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| 14:42.53 | empath | heya, anyone know of a "multiplayer IDE" sort of? |
| 14:42.58 | Danic | !apt-get |
| 14:42.59 | dpkg | apt-get is probably "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 14:43.01 | jetscreamer | any paste site, there's a couple |
| 14:43.10 | Danic | sry |
| 14:43.43 | jetscreamer | empath want's an ide that does network collaboration or something |
| 14:43.46 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 14:44.01 | empath | well where multiple users can connect and code sort of |
| 14:44.06 | empath | like multiplayer kate :P |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | empath: you mean like a blackboard ? |
| 14:44.28 | empath | let me check |
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| 14:44.31 | jetscreamer | realtime yeah like a whiteboard |
| 14:44.39 | RAk | hello all |
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| 14:44.57 | jetscreamer | !greet RAk |
| 14:44.57 | dpkg | Bonjour, RAk |
| 14:45.00 | RAk | anybody could build php-mdb2 for etch ? my buildscripts fail for some reason |
| 14:45.02 | dountby | azeem: oh shit :-) - no module at all was loading. networking doesnt work also which means i cant remotely login to the machine - wich means i cannot paste |
| 14:45.25 | RAk | here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/441104 |
| 14:45.26 | empath | jetscreamer, yeah |
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| 14:45.33 | RAk | I don't see what I do wrong :( |
| 14:45.34 | abrotman | empath: gabby .. i think |
| 14:45.57 | RAk | bonjour dpkg ;) what's your cousin dpkg-buildpackage erroring for me ?! :) |
| 14:46.07 | perlmonkey | http://www.debianadmin.com/images/tuxadmin1.png <-- haha cool |
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| 14:46.33 | jetscreamer | you know dpkg is a bot eh |
| 14:46.48 | RAk | jetscreamer: sure I know |
| 14:47.01 | RAk | just making fun of my build environment |
| 14:47.01 | jetscreamer | thought so just checking |
| 14:47.03 | RAk | :( |
| 14:47.07 | perlmonkey | RAk: bonjour |
| 14:47.10 | azeem | dountby: do you have udev installed? |
| 14:47.23 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 14:47.39 | jetscreamer | now you're making me roll on the floor azeem |
| 14:47.39 | RAk | perlmonkey: c'est un bon jour :) |
| 14:47.56 | RAk | so, anybody got some ideas for my problem to fix ? |
| 14:47.58 | turffy | hi guys how can i configure my Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG so i could connect to my wifi, its not detected out of the box by Debian4, when i do dmesg i got ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
| 14:47.58 | turffy | ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 14:47.58 | turffy | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 14:47.58 | turffy | ipw2200: failed to register network device |
| 14:47.58 | turffy | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:02.0 disabled |
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| 14:48.07 | jetscreamer | pow |
| 14:48.09 | empath | abrotman, hmm well : an IDE for multiple users at the same time sort of, I know someone pointed me to a nice tool but i forgot it :( |
| 14:48.16 | empath | not blackboard, and gabby? |
| 14:48.25 | perlmonkey | RAk: oui! |
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| 14:48.46 | RAk | perlmonkey: merci beaucoup |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | hrm .. not gaby |
| 14:49.02 | RAk | and my frnech ends there |
| 14:49.05 | RAk | :) |
| 14:49.06 | RAk | french |
| 14:49.16 | dountby | azeem: installed yes |
| 14:49.19 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 14:49.22 | empath | abrotman, guess not.. |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | empath: i'm looking |
| 14:49.32 | empath | thanks :) |
| 14:49.43 | dountby | azeem: but i dont know if it works (and what it is :-) - just saw it at the bootscreen) |
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| 14:50.04 | empath | I want it for my team to be able to connect to my server and code togheter sort of, even if we are miles away from each others |
| 14:50.10 | toki | hey how do i access xwindows remotely like putty? |
| 14:50.19 | abrotman | empath: it's something like that .. i've seen it |
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| 14:50.32 | empath | yea :) |
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| 14:50.39 | dountby | azeem: i just discovered that i can use my pcmcia->cf adapter, so i have a medum to write on. |
| 14:50.40 | turffy | sorry my bad! |
| 14:50.53 | azeem | turffy: you need to download the firmware |
| 14:50.56 | azeem | !ipw2200 |
| 14:50.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 14:51.08 | jetscreamer | !tell turffy -about paste |
| 14:51.12 | azeem | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 14:51.12 | dpkg | [ipw2200 firmware] If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 14:51.16 | azeem | turffy: ^^ |
| 14:51.23 | empath | doesnt !tell user about issue work for you guys? |
| 14:51.31 | empath | tell empath about dpkg |
| 14:51.39 | dountby | azeem: but i dont know how to manage to write the modprobe-output to a file - modprobe snd-cs4232 2>&1 > outfile.txt doesnt work |
| 14:51.42 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg help |
| 14:52.12 | empath | jetscreamer, i just meant so dpkg wont msg in here... |
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| 14:52.33 | jetscreamer | yeah !tell nick about factoid |
| 14:52.41 | jetscreamer | -about to reduce personal spam |
| 14:53.04 | empath | it being misused? |
| 14:53.29 | turffy | my kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:53.32 | jetscreamer | oh empath you need to be identified with nickserv for the bot to respond for some reason... must be a glitch |
| 14:53.39 | empath | ah |
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| 14:53.49 | empath | but i am. i think |
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| 14:54.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no you don't |
| 14:54.45 | jetscreamer | abrotman: oh ok fixed then |
| 14:54.46 | empath | i think its more of a freenode "feature" that only identified may receive/send pm, it reduces spammers coming here ... |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | been fixed for .. a very long time |
| 14:55.01 | empath | oh |
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| 14:55.16 | jetscreamer | somebody was bitc.. err complaining about it yesterday |
| 14:55.43 | jetscreamer | probably malformed /msg |
| 14:55.57 | jetscreamer | nm just ignore me move along nothing to see |
| 14:56.04 | cahoot | toki: access from what? |
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| 14:56.24 | toki | from windows |
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| 14:57.54 | abrotman | empath: i know i've seen it .. i can't find it now |
| 14:57.56 | jetscreamer | xdmc? |
| 14:58.06 | jetscreamer | xdmcp? |
| 14:58.14 | empath | abrotman, i know, too bad i didnt save the link to it.. |
| 14:58.18 | Tallu | Okay uhm, I asked about the etch sata-disk install problem earlier and grub not loading.. I now have all the relevant info here http://pastebin.ca/441135 |
| 14:58.18 | robin_sz | maybe the whole world is sunny today? |
| 14:58.19 | empath | im gonna try google some more |
| 14:58.38 | Tallu | It seems like it gets past stage 1.5 and then dies |
| 14:59.13 | robin_sz | asphixiation? |
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| 14:59.36 | abrotman | ha! .. iwas close |
| 14:59.43 | abrotman | !info gobby etch |
| 14:59.47 | dpkg | gobby: (collaborative text editor), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 621 kB, Installed size: 2072 kB |
| 14:59.52 | abrotman | empath: that ^^ ? |
| 15:00.10 | liable | why does apache default config allow indexes of /icons/ ?? |
| 15:00.14 | Tallu | That problem is with a fresh etch install |
| 15:00.15 | empath | let me check |
| 15:00.31 | Dewi | liable: why not? |
| 15:00.37 | cahoot | toki: then you'll need some intervening layer - vnc or some app that can display x on windows |
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| 15:00.52 | Tallu | jetscreamer: if you can think of anything relating to that, it'd be much appreciated. :) |
| 15:00.58 | Dewi | liable: I mean I normally try to avoid allowing indexes too, but it's not really a problem there is it? |
| 15:01.01 | liable | Dewi: its no big deal, but why? |
| 15:01.09 | empath | abrotman, yes i think so :) |
| 15:01.11 | empath | thanks mate!" |
| 15:01.19 | liable | Dewi: its explicitely set, i just wonder why. |
| 15:01.24 | abrotman | that was painful to find on dialup :( |
| 15:01.29 | robin_sz | howcome .. my text editor preference is Vi, its *used* to default to nano, but now, I got it set to vi, press v when in less you get vi ... fire up reportbug, and the silly thing uses nano for the bugreprt .. took me half an hour to figure that POS out. |
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| 15:02.03 | jetscreamer | Tallu: have you tried the grub shell. you can get there from the installer cd you seem to have used to get that pastebin information. just hit c i believe |
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| 15:02.10 | robin_sz | howcome reportbug is ignoring my editor preference? |
| 15:02.14 | kuru | I have this MyBook USB hdd.. so I mounted it |
| 15:02.18 | empath | abrotman, dialup? whats that ? :P |
| 15:02.20 | Dewi | liable: oh. Probably a clipboard thing. People love to copy around snippets of apache config :) |
| 15:02.20 | robin_sz | is it the bastard child of Bill Gates? |
| 15:02.23 | kuru | now I want to change the owner.. but it keeps telling me that I can't |
| 15:02.27 | empath | seriously tho, dialup? where are you from? |
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| 15:02.39 | kuru | "Operation not permitted" .. |
| 15:02.41 | kuru | what gives? |
| 15:02.42 | liable | Dewi: what do you mean? |
| 15:02.52 | robin_sz | kuru, sudo or be root to change the owner, obviously |
| 15:02.55 | abrotman | empath: it's what happens when your wifi router keeps overheating and restarting :) |
| 15:02.57 | jetscreamer | all you need is dialup, everything else is want |
| 15:03.01 | cahoot | robin_sz: you've set vi/vim as your preferred editor in /etc/alternatives? |
| 15:03.03 | kuru | robin_sz, ah.. I am root |
| 15:03.14 | Tallu | jetscreamer: but uhm, the problem is i dont see how those entries are wrong |
| 15:03.23 | robin_sz | kuru, then, yo uhave problems :) |
| 15:03.32 | Dewi | liable: AllowIndexes is one of those directives that you generally always see in site configurations... I'm not even sure what the default *is* |
| 15:03.43 | robin_sz | kuru, dotn chaneg the owner of the device, chaneg the owner of the mount point maybe? |
| 15:03.45 | Dewi | liable: and people go "this works, I'll copy it" |
| 15:03.52 | Tallu | jetscreamer: to me those appear just correct :/ |
| 15:03.58 | liable | Dewi: hrm, this is default debian config |
| 15:04.01 | Dewi | liable: rather than "I'll copy this and verify that every piece of it is appropriate" |
| 15:04.08 | jetscreamer | Tallu: it seems to be a grub error, and how it's installed, not the os or those files... think of it as 'reinstalling grub' |
| 15:04.13 | Dewi | liable: human nature unfortunately |
| 15:04.15 | liable | Dewi: your prolly right though |
| 15:04.33 | jetscreamer | Tallu: also, use the grub shell to see if you can manually boot it |
| 15:04.40 | liable | Dewi: seems a little unusual though |
| 15:04.42 | Dewi | liable: or maybe we're both fools and it's necessary for some arcane reason :) |
| 15:04.49 | Dewi | liable: file a bug :) |
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| 15:05.10 | Tallu | jetscreamer: okay, will do, as soon as the person physically near the server gets here, i did the installation via ssh |
| 15:05.14 | liable | Dewi: thats what i was wondering ;) |
| 15:05.46 | kuru | robin_sz, did I say I was trying to change the owner of the device? |
| 15:05.49 | kuru | anyone? |
| 15:06.44 | jetscreamer | Tallu: but... did you google the error code? it 'seems' to be selected disk does not exist? |
| 15:07.23 | jetscreamer | Selected disk does not exist: This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. |
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| 15:09.05 | jetscreamer | i owe all my grub knowledge to 'Disk devices may change on reboot', come to think of it.. maybe it was worth not being able to boot debian for a week... nah. |
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| 15:09.45 | kuru | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.53 | kuru | it can't possibly be that complicated |
| 15:09.55 | Tallu | jetscreamer: hehe okay. yeah i checked the grub documentation on the error but that's all it gave |
| 15:10.18 | robin_sz | kuru, doyou have write permission on the foler its sitting in? |
| 15:10.21 | xingu | kuru: what filesystem? |
| 15:10.29 | kuru | vfat |
| 15:10.39 | kuru | xingu, could that be it? |
| 15:10.46 | xingu | kuru: there's your problem. |
| 15:10.51 | Neeesat25 | Is it possible to hide mouse pointer in X when loading? |
| 15:10.53 | kuru | xingu, oh crap.. |
| 15:11.04 | xingu | kuru: vfat has a mount arg for the uid/gid owner as well as dir and file mode. |
| 15:11.04 | kuru | xingu, so what fs can I use that I can also read with windows? |
| 15:11.09 | jetscreamer | Tallu: well, is the drive recognized by the bios? |
| 15:11.16 | xingu | kuru: vfat doesn't, however, support unix perms/owners. |
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| 15:11.24 | scenestar | lo room |
| 15:11.32 | kuru | xingu, I don't mind setting the uid,gid from the beginning |
| 15:11.45 | abrotman | you can set that in your mount options |
| 15:11.47 | Tallu | jetscreamer: yeah, and i installed debian on it no problem |
| 15:11.54 | xingu | kuru: you could mount an ext2fs as an image... |
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| 15:12.16 | empath | oh :P |
| 15:13.14 | scenestar | can anyone tell me what the difference is between linux-image-xen-686 and linux-image-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:13.17 | jetscreamer | Tallu: wht kernel version worked, and which one doesn't |
| 15:13.29 | jetscreamer | scenestar: the first one is a metapackage |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | scenestar: they don't have descriptions ? |
| 15:13.36 | scenestar | no they dont |
| 15:13.49 | scenestar | and theyre aparently 2 different sets |
| 15:13.51 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 15:13.53 | xingu | kuru: or you could just remount the filesystem as whichever user; mount -o remount,uid=whatver /my/mount/point |
| 15:14.07 | RAk | anybody could build php-mdb2 pear module on debian etch ? |
| 15:14.21 | Tallu | jetscreamer: i installed with expert 2.6.18-4 and loaded jmicron module to start with, though i suppose it was loaded by default as well |
| 15:14.56 | scenestar | jetscreamer both descriptions are identical |
| 15:14.57 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 15:14.57 | dpkg | it has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 15:15.23 | empath | haha guess what i already have gobby on this machine wtf :P |
| 15:15.28 | scenestar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.30 | empath | oh well :) |
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| 15:15.45 | scenestar | THEY HAVE THE SAME THE SAME DESCRIPTION |
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| 15:16.07 | jetscreamer | ah they're both metapackages |
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| 15:16.26 | scenestar | yeah but what is the difference between xen and vserver-xen |
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| 15:16.49 | kuru | xingu, didn't work |
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| 15:16.55 | kuru | xingu, I did this: |
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| 15:17.02 | Tallu | !ops fidelcastro is spamming |
| 15:17.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tallu complains about: fidelcastro is spamming |
| 15:17.05 | kuru | xingu: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/arch2 |
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| 15:17.23 | toki | lmao |
| 15:17.27 | RAk | no ops hrm |
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| 15:17.42 | scenestar | dude i would pay NOT to see granny porn |
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| 15:18.19 | xingu | kuru: umount /mnt/arch2; mount -t vfat -o uid=someuid /dev/sda1 /mnt/arch2 |
| 15:18.29 | xingu | kuru: get someuid from "id someuser" |
| 15:18.45 | RvGaTe | haha, k-lined... perfect |
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| 15:19.00 | abrotman | oh this could be fun |
| 15:19.02 | Greek-Boy | what happened to webmin? |
| 15:19.06 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 15:19.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 15:19.07 | RvGaTe | !webmin |
| 15:19.15 | RvGaTe | abrotman, damn you.. |
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| 15:19.29 | xingu | !win abrotman |
| 15:19.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:19.44 | jetscreamer | scenestar: don't shoot me, but iirc one is for if you want xen w/o doing the vserver thing... i read that somewhere. but i know nothing about xen. |
| 15:20.01 | scenestar | ah ok |
| 15:20.04 | scenestar | thanks |
| 15:20.10 | jelly-home | whenever I read that "Obsoleted in debian" part I want to ask "obsoleted by what exactly"? |
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| 15:20.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: vi ? |
| 15:20.29 | abrotman | :) |
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| 15:20.36 | jelly-home | an editor and a clueful admin? |
| 15:20.37 | scenestar | yeah and its cool, just you kept insisting that they were metapackages that pissed me off |
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| 15:21.13 | jelly-home | linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 is not a metapackage and it still has an unuseful Description |
| 15:21.13 | xingu | jelly-home: a monkey with a teletype |
| 15:21.19 | xingu | jelly-home: it could scarcely leave your system less hosed |
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| 15:21.35 | scenestar | WELL WHAT IS IT |
| 15:21.44 | stoned | no caps |
| 15:21.44 | jelly-home | xingu: unless the monkey succeeds to log in! |
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| 15:21.54 | abrotman | scenestar: try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 15:22.20 | stoned | abrotman how you feelin today? |
| 15:22.25 | jelly-home | my guess would be that xen-vserver has support for both xen and vserver :-) |
| 15:22.33 | abrotman | stoned: sluggish .. yay dialup! :) |
| 15:22.38 | stoned | dialup? |
| 15:22.42 | stoned | why? |
| 15:22.46 | jelly-home | xingu: it doesn't? |
| 15:22.50 | abrotman | my wifi keeps overheating and rebooting .. i think |
| 15:22.59 | stoned | oh that sucks man |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | which likely means it's toast .. |
| 15:23.04 | xingu | one of these days I'm going to be arsed enough to lift the lid on class based scheduling and get this sorted |
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| 15:23.19 | kuru | xingu, thanks! works like a charm |
| 15:23.35 | Greek-Boy | nothing similiar to webmin? |
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| 15:24.02 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 15:24.31 | stoned | abrotman I think I've made my mind up. I don't want to get a wireless nic anymore. I think I'll just get another WRT54G router, and put OpenWRT on it, like my other one, build a eth/wifi bridge. Otherwise I'd have to buy 4 wireless NIC for the rest of my machines. But with this, I can just have direct eth connections and not have to worry about wireless. |
| 15:24.40 | tolecnal | i'm experiencing a small problem with autofs/udev.. I've generated rules for one usb-stick and a mmc-card, the rules for the usb-stick works fine and the stick is automounted. the udev rule for the mmc device also works, but the autofs entry doesn't work. the entry is correct, as far as I can see. Syslog reports the following when it tries to mount the mmc unit; |
| 15:24.47 | stoned | No tinkering with drivers for the NIC and all that great mumbo jumbo |
| 15:24.53 | tolecnal | Apr 15 16:11:00 luna automount[25515]: failed to mount /var/autofs/removable/$TMPDIR |
| 15:25.07 | tolecnal | here is the autofs entry; mmc -fstype=vfat,rw,umask=002,user :/dev/mmc1 |
| 15:25.11 | abrotman | stoned: they have those little bridges |
| 15:25.12 | empath | speaking of toast, im gonna make myself a burger or two :) |
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| 15:25.19 | abrotman | stoned: like $80 each though |
| 15:25.25 | xingu | jelly-home: well maybe I'm doing something wrong but combine a fast upstream mirror, apt-get, and a traffic class like mp3 on http, and somehow my http radio always tears itself a new one; admittedly I only have a 4.8M/448k adsl line here, but still. |
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| 15:25.39 | stoned | abrotman yeh, I don't want to spend that much. I can get a WRT for $30 or so |
| 15:25.57 | xingu | jelly-home: and by tears itself a new one - read - can't actually connect and buffer enough to play anything at all while apt is doing its thing. |
| 15:25.57 | jelly-home | xingu: wondershaper works well here |
| 15:26.01 | RvGaTe | stoned, !!! |
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| 15:26.06 | stoned | RvGaTe!! |
| 15:26.06 | abrotman | the wifi routers have a four port switch ? |
| 15:26.11 | RvGaTe | stoned, !!!! |
| 15:26.13 | jetscreamer | zomfg still? linux-kbuild-2.6.20 does not appear to be available |
| 15:26.14 | stoned | abrotman yessir |
| 15:26.18 | xingu | yeah, I'm thinking a little wonder bra^wshaper love might be needed |
| 15:26.20 | abrotman | stoned: can't you use that ? |
| 15:26.33 | stoned | abrotman well what do you mean? |
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| 15:26.41 | abrotman | aren't they all wired ? |
| 15:26.42 | xingu | but it's a crap default and I demand a refund. |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | can't you do wired and wifi ? |
| 15:26.50 | ditoa | is anyone running debian (any version) in vmware workstation? |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | ditoa: i'm sure lots of people (and also in #vmware) .. just ask |
| 15:27.19 | jelly-home | xingu: I don't have a slightest idea about what it does, but my ssh sessions + streaming mp3 radio + apt-get upgrade work |
| 15:27.23 | stoned | abrotman, WRT-A will hook up to cable modem 4 rooms down. Another WRT will be in my room, as a client to the other access point, to which I will wire 4 machines. I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 15:27.25 | ditoa | thanks for the head up on #vmware, didnt know of that channel :) |
| 15:27.38 | abrotman | stoned: ah .. ok |
| 15:27.42 | stoned | abrotman the router does have 4 ports yes |
| 15:27.43 | ditoa | my questions are more vmware related (albeit running debian) so i will try there first. many thanks :) |
| 15:27.45 | stoned | each one |
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| 15:27.56 | abrotman | empath: damn you |
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| 15:28.10 | abrotman | stoned: okay |
| 15:28.48 | garo | Does someone know how I can get rrdtool phpbindings on etch ? |
| 15:28.49 | stoned | my only deal is ndiswrapper and trying not to use it, and with wireless NIC you never know |
| 15:28.52 | xingu | stoned: be aware that wlan is half duplex; that topology can create some interesting queuing artifacts as the bandwidth and delay of your wan gateway approaches that of your lan. |
| 15:28.57 | jelly-home | xingu: on my supposed-to-be 1024/192 adsl line, I use "wondershaper eth0 840 144" for great justice |
| 15:28.59 | jetscreamer | locales depends on glibc-2.5-1 glibc-2.5-1 does not appear to be available |
| 15:29.03 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 15:29.05 | stoned | since I can't find cheap cards that work with linux natively |
| 15:29.09 | stoned | found ralink but meh |
| 15:29.13 | jetscreamer | hey stoned |
| 15:29.16 | stoned | howdy |
| 15:29.32 | stoned | jetscreamer how are you bro? hows the foot? |
| 15:29.42 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 15:29.45 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 15:29.58 | stoned | jetscreamer I smashed the middle finger of right hand the other day, its all purple and swollen :( |
| 15:29.59 | abrotman | prism54.org ? |
| 15:30.08 | jetscreamer | i've moved on in injuries :) did my thumb a bit |
| 15:30.11 | jetscreamer | ugh |
| 15:30.13 | xingu | jelly-home: *nod* but you can see my point eh; you shouldn't have to do that, the packet scheduler shouldn't, as a default, let busy local traffic clases blow lower bandwidth ones to the moon |
| 15:30.17 | jetscreamer | no play4u |
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| 15:30.43 | jelly-home | xingu: that's a nice theory, aye |
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| 15:31.15 | stoned | I remember Up In Smoke. Cheech: Light that sucker up, lets go to tha moon! |
| 15:31.21 | stoned | hehehe |
| 15:31.45 | jelly-home | xingu: but you can do real ingress shaping if you don't control the other side |
| 15:31.54 | jelly-home | s/can/can't/ |
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| 15:31.59 | xingu | jelly-home: the problem is most apparent in terms of syn/syn+ack starvation |
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| 15:32.20 | xingu | jelly-home: heh, the things I could tell you about what does and doesn't work wrt. packet shaping. ;) |
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| 15:34.06 | Greek-Boy | no more kernel headers? |
| 15:34.08 | anabain | does anybody know what happened to acroread package? |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | wasn't it in non-free |
| 15:34.23 | abrotman | Greek-Boy: linux-headers |
| 15:34.37 | hipodilski | I've installed the gnustep debian packages now how can I start using gnustep? |
| 15:34.37 | gravity | anabain: It's in debian-multimedia now |
| 15:34.47 | gravity | anabain: There's issues with even distributing it now |
| 15:34.48 | jelly-home | anabain: only at debian-multimedia, I'm afraid |
| 15:34.55 | hipodilski | somebody using gnustep under debian ? |
| 15:35.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:35.13 | jetscreamer | (no, not me) |
| 15:35.13 | Greek-Boy | thanks abrotman |
| 15:35.36 | anabain | then what should I do? Is there any URL for sources.list? |
| 15:35.49 | jetscreamer | !tell anabain -about marillat |
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| 15:36.39 | stoned | omlete/toast/tea |
| 15:36.40 | stoned | bye bye |
| 15:36.40 | jetscreamer | !info libc6 |
| 15:36.45 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 15:36.45 | zoidy | what command can I run to see exactly what version of debian I'm running? |
| 15:36.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4327 kB, Installed size: 10652 kB |
| 15:36.51 | RvGaTe | Is it possible to install Debian on my mobile phone? (Samsung SGH-X700) ? |
| 15:36.53 | abrotman | !version |
| 15:36.53 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:38.18 | zoidy | dpkg: thanks |
| 15:38.18 | dpkg | zoidy: sure thing |
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| 15:39.08 | zoidy | cool :) |
| 15:39.44 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.47 | xingu | bloody hell |
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| 15:39.51 | xingu | speaking of the moon |
| 15:39.57 | xingu | at that RTT I'm halfway there |
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| 15:43.58 | jetscreamer | speaking of the moon... audio/Godsmack/Godsmack - Godsmack/01-Godsmack-Moon Baby.mp3 |
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| 15:45.43 | Kronuz | hello |
| 15:46.02 | Kronuz | hey, how can I tell if my ext3 filesystem has extended attributes support enabled? |
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| 15:49.26 | Lcarsdata | gil.com |
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| 15:50.01 | Lcarsdata | 1kl |
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| 15:50.39 | Lcarsdata | sorry, |
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| 15:51.01 | Lcarsdata | zamuro: Do you know where the control panel is for wireless? Debian seems to identify the stick is plugged in but I need to configure it. |
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| 15:51.21 | xingu | there, that's better; cleared the ppp session |
| 15:51.55 | krazykit | xingu, we come in peace! shoot to kill |
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| 15:52.43 | rebelion | Hi! |
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| 15:52.51 | xingu | about the only nice thing about running 6in4 tunnels is that sessions persist across complete restaging of underlying transport |
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| 15:53.15 | rebelion | can anyone tell me how to change the encoding in gnome? I have directories in portuguese and I get weird characters |
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| 15:54.14 | xingu | rebelion: at a guess, it's probably using whatever /etc/default/locale is set to |
| 15:54.45 | rebelion | its en_GB_utf8 |
| 15:54.47 | Lcarsdata | Does anyone know where the configuration panel for Wireless connections is in Debian? |
| 15:55.00 | rebelion | isnt utf8 suppose to accept all characters? |
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| 15:55.33 | lupine_85 | rebelion: everything but egyptian heiroglyphs |
| 15:55.39 | xingu | providing the font provides them, and providing the file/dirnames were created with a utf8 locale |
| 15:55.49 | xingu | lupine_85: I wouldn't be too sure about that (exclusion). |
| 15:55.50 | lupine_85 | but if the characters are encoded in non-UTF, they could be misinterpreted |
| 15:56.06 | lupine_85 | oh, did they get hieroglyphs in now? |
| 15:57.47 | xingu | lupine_85: http://unicode.org/consortium/utc-minutes/UTC-092-200208.html: [92-A20] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Work with Michael Everson to ensure there is an initial proposal for Egyptian Hieroglyphics ready for the November meeting. It should contain the Gardiner set and all letters of support. [L2/02-281, 288, 290, 295] |
| 15:57.52 | Tallu | jetscreamer: bios recognizes the sata drive as the first and only HD as it should be |
| 15:58.24 | Tallu | This is getting depressing. :( |
| 15:58.27 | rebelion | thanks! |
| 15:58.39 | rebelion | so i can use dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:58.51 | Tallu | Anyone else here found their etch install not bootable after installing on a sata HD? |
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| 15:59.31 | xingu | Tallu: you're trying to bootstrap with jmicron yeah? |
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| 15:59.56 | Tallu | xingu: well, i just installed expert, loaded the jmicron module automatically |
| 16:00.04 | Tallu | xingu: think its not in the initramfs? |
| 16:00.55 | xingu | Tallu: I think that's a distinct possibility; how about you reboot from the install cd into rescue mode, mount your root (and other) filesystems, chroot into them, fix /etc/modules to forceload jmicron, and rebuild your initramfs? |
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| 16:01.26 | Tallu | xingu: good idea, will do, thanks |
| 16:01.36 | xingu | Tallu: happy enough going from there? obviously if you've managed to install something, the installer kernel at least must have a functioning-for-you driver; the other failure vector is checking versions of installer verses installed kernel. |
| 16:01.57 | Tallu | xingu: this is all pretty slow though as im installing via ssh and someone has to load it up to the point to give me access hehe |
| 16:02.04 | xingu | I can imagine. |
| 16:02.17 | xingu | I've pulled more dodgy stunts in my time. |
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| 16:03.09 | Tallu | xingu: yeah, i'll try that. thanks. :) |
| 16:03.52 | xingu | Tallu: the good news is you have a working jmicron driver in there somewhere; the bad news is that until you get >2.6.19.2 or so on that box, you're on a hiding to nothing I must say |
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| 16:04.15 | xingu | Tallu: if it works, great, forget I spoke; but if not, you'll find yourself considering a 2.6.20 backport; even on etch. |
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| 16:05.00 | xingu | Tallu: it might be less of a headache to consider the $15-from-frys pci sata controller. :) |
| 16:05.11 | Tallu | xingu: well i was going to compile a custom kernel on this one anyway, then tried and noticed that etch expert install loaded the jmicron module, i've never done bootstrap and its a remote box so i'd be happy to get it done like this, otherwise i suppose i'll have to read a lot of docs on making a custom image :) |
| 16:05.22 | xingu | Tallu: easier to dispatch remote winged monkeys to buy and install one of those than fight installer issuers remotely |
| 16:05.42 | Tallu | xingu: hahah you make a valid point |
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| 16:08.21 | perlmonkey | which is best, VPN, OpenSSH or Stunnel? |
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| 16:08.35 | perlmonkey | *SpenVPN |
| 16:08.40 | perlmonkey | *OpenVPN |
| 16:08.45 | delight | I would like to learn something abou the release process in debian. For example ntfs-3g http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ntfs-3g.html ... is it likely to ever be released into stable? or is it going to stay in lenny till the next debian-release? |
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| 16:13.11 | huhlig | hey dondelelcaro, you poking about? |
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| 16:13.47 | acu | guys, the frontpage of Debian is too static - I have even not noticed that etch is released! I think with frontend even (or special) a hardcore programer can contribute significantly |
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| 16:14.22 | torrr | hi, |
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| 16:14.32 | jelly-home | delight: it's probably going to be in lenny, yes. package set in stable does not change. You might want to take a look at backports.org |
| 16:14.34 | torrr | is icron not in the available packages? |
| 16:14.59 | acu | however I am trying to install Cinelerra and some libhavquicktime libraries cannot be installed and therefeor |
| 16:15.19 | krazykit | torrr, apt-cache search. if it's not there, build it yourself or find a package |
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| 16:15.39 | Lcarsdata | I am having trouble with my wireless device, I have looked into the 'network administration tools manual' and it has directed me to choose 'system tools -> networking' in the applications menu. this does not exist, I then typed 'network -admin' (what it says is the command line way into terminal. This revealed a window, however this window was different to the one in the screenshot in the... |
| 16:15.41 | Lcarsdata | ...manual and has much of the functionality removed. please can someone help. |
| 16:16.01 | delight | jelly-home: I looked into backports.org ... its not supporting etch yet ... well its a little early for backports i guess ;) ... so for example kde 3.5.6 is never going to land in etch |
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| 16:16.36 | delight | jelly-home: i think i got the idea about the three release branches experimental, unstable, testing, stable |
| 16:16.42 | jelly-home | !stable |
| 16:16.42 | dpkg | well, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 16:17.09 | delight | i see |
| 16:17.50 | stew | !stable =~ s/issues/issues and critical bugs/ |
| 16:17.50 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:18.09 | Danic | !xinetd |
| 16:18.46 | |chiz| | in nautilus when I goto places->computer if I double click on a drive there it tries to mount it when its already mounted, does anyone know why, or better how to make it stop doing this? |
| 16:19.29 | phogg | |chiz|: stop using nautilus and it will stop trying to be nautilus. |
| 16:19.44 | |chiz| | phogg: what should I use instead of nautilus? |
| 16:20.00 | delight | did ppl expect problems when they did a switch to testing not from the start but on a random point in time |
| 16:20.42 | delight | ? |
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| 16:21.06 | troubleboy | Is somebody familiar with the ES1869 chip? |
| 16:21.08 | delight | -expect +experience <<< what i ment to ask |
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| 16:23.16 | xingu | troubleboy: not overly, from memory that's an isa plug-and-pray soundbastard clone |
| 16:23.35 | troubleboy | well i'm trying to get it working with alsa |
| 16:23.39 | abrotman | i don't thnik it's alwyas isa |
| 16:23.47 | troubleboy | driver is es-18xx |
| 16:23.51 | troubleboy | es18xx i mean |
| 16:24.11 | Lcarsdata | I am having trouble with my wireless device, I have looked into the 'network administration tools manual' and it has directed me to choose 'system tools -> networking' in the applications menu. this does not exist, I then typed 'network -admin' (what it says is the command line way into terminal. This revealed a window, however this window was different to the one in the screenshot in the... |
| 16:24.13 | Lcarsdata | ...manual and has much of the functionality removed. please can someone help. |
| 16:24.18 | Tallu | xingu: hahah, yeah, jmicron isnt inserted in modules by default, but my /usr/ is in lvm and i could only launch a busybox shell via the installer. saying it's not a valid block device |
| 16:24.32 | xingu | abrotman: pretty sure the 1869 is, there's another part number for the pci jobbie from memory; as memories go, it's a horror I'm still trying to drink into oblivion though |
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| 16:24.46 | sword | troubleboy: what's the problem with it? |
| 16:24.54 | abrotman | 1820 ? |
| 16:24.59 | troubleboy | I am doing modprobe snd-es18xx, i get a little click from my speakers, indicating i have sound, but no sound at all |
| 16:25.13 | jello | troubleboy: try adjusting the volume |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss ? |
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| 16:25.21 | sword | troubleboy: turn up the mixer volume via alsamixer |
| 16:25.23 | xingu | troubleboy: alsamixer, and unmute front and main? |
| 16:25.25 | troubleboy | also just another prompt, no message that anything was detected |
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| 16:25.46 | troubleboy | sec. i'll try |
| 16:25.49 | sword | troubleboy: it'd show up in dmesg |
| 16:25.53 | |chiz| | does anyone know how to change the default web browser in gnome? |
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| 16:26.10 | abrotman | use the Default Applications thingie |
| 16:26.22 | abrotman | Preferred Applications |
| 16:26.55 | troubleboy | xingu: which one do u mean by front and main |
| 16:27.04 | xingu | troubleboy: what device have you got in alsamixer? |
| 16:27.24 | xingu | troubleboy: should be at least pcm and maybe front; unmute both. |
| 16:27.59 | troubleboy | i've got lots of ;em |
| 16:28.03 | xingu | :) |
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| 16:28.14 | troubleboy | pcm pcm1 master etc. |
| 16:28.31 | xingu | unmute pcm and master then. |
| 16:28.32 | troubleboy | especially pcspeak, and it's turned on |
| 16:28.37 | xingu | the rest probably don't matter |
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| 16:29.24 | sword | !tell troubleboy about alsa-checklist |
| 16:29.57 | delight | did ppl experience problems when they tryed upgrading to testing not from the start but on a random point in time? |
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| 16:30.19 | acu | I want to covert a DVD .vob file into an mp3 file - can anyone help me ? |
| 16:30.40 | GeneralTom | the sound track from the vob? |
| 16:30.48 | jello | sword: #8 could be painful |
| 16:30.57 | GeneralTom | try mencoder |
| 16:31.15 | xingu | abrotman: the pci ones are all es19xx |
| 16:31.17 | troubleboy | well in xmms the file doesnt even start to playback, so i dont think it\s a volume issue, right?? |
| 16:31.32 | sword | jello: that's what I said a while ago :) |
| 16:31.35 | xingu | troubleboy: is the interrupt count for the driver in /proc/interrupts increasing? |
| 16:31.51 | acu | GeneralTom: yes I just need the sound (preferably on mp3) from a DVD - mencoder then what ? |
| 16:31.59 | troubleboy | xingu: you'll have to explain that |
| 16:32.03 | GeneralTom | I want to download etch stable, why are there 21 CD images and only 3 small dvd images? |
| 16:33.02 | jello | !tell GeneralTom about netinstall |
| 16:33.02 | xingu | troubleboy: start xmms and attempt to play a file; then, run cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 5; cat /proc/interrupts in a terminal window |
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| 16:33.02 | xingu | troubleboy: finally, past (ask dpkg) the resulting console output. |
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| 16:33.32 | xingu | my guess is - either jumpered or softconfig settings for es18xx not matching - or - some degree of dicking with pnp tools necessary. |
| 16:34.00 | troubleboy | well i can get sound with sb irq=5 dma=1 io=0x220, just alsa doesnt do the job |
| 16:34.05 | xingu | can't we obsolete support for isa peripherals or something? |
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| 16:34.33 | GeneralTom | acu: mencoder is a bit complicated , I have to look up the parameters |
| 16:34.33 | xingu | troubleboy: aah, that's useful to know, 2s. |
| 16:34.36 | GeneralTom | :-) |
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| 16:34.59 | famir_ | any idea why my wireless card is not loading unless im running this command "/ipw3945-1.1.2/./load debug=0" ?? |
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| 16:36.21 | famir_ | DCC dpkg |
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| 16:36.35 | acu | GeneralTom: thanks |
| 16:37.15 | xingu | troubleboy: try rmmod snd-es18xx; modprobe snd-18xx port=0x220 mpu_port=0x330 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=5 isapnp=0 |
| 16:37.50 | GeneralTom | acu:would the ac3 sound be helpful? That could be simply extracted. |
| 16:38.11 | xingu | troubleboy: if you're lucky, your burned in, soft-set, or jumpered defaults are the common ones. |
| 16:38.15 | GeneralTom | with mplayer |
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| 16:38.49 | famir_ | Help ! any idea why my wireless card is not loading unless im running this command "/ipw3945-1.1.2/./load debug=0" ? |
| 16:39.13 | GeneralTom | I dno't know exactly, if mencoder can produce mp3 output format or only mpegvideo. |
| 16:39.23 | jelly-home | famir_: hi, there's no need to repeat that often |
| 16:39.43 | xingu | !ipw3945 |
| 16:39.43 | dpkg | somebody said ipw3945 was http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 16:40.15 | xingu | there's no need to use the out-of-tree ipw3945 source, the in-tree version works fine. |
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| 16:40.20 | sword | is there anything that dpkg doesn't know? |
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| 16:40.39 | troubleboy | xingu: seen my pm |
| 16:40.41 | xingu | sword: it doesn't know when I'm finally going to get off my arse and do the dishes here |
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| 16:40.58 | xingu | troubleboy: nope; do you have a registered nick? see your server output window. |
| 16:41.04 | sword | xingu: bahaha |
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| 16:41.28 | troubleboy | xingu: check your tabs, should be there |
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| 16:41.45 | GeneralTom | acu: try something like mencoder input.vob -ovc null -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr=128 -of mpeg output.mpg |
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| 16:42.46 | troubleboy | what about adding my user to the audio group, is that ALSA specific or in general? |
| 16:43.03 | GeneralTom | Why are the dvd iso imageds smaller than the cd images? Is this a problem on my side? |
| 16:43.20 | sword | troubleboy: in general, you won't be able to play sound at all unless you can write to the sound devices |
| 16:43.23 | xingu | troubleboy: I'd guess in general; udev tends to create the device nodes with group-only write access. |
| 16:43.23 | GeneralTom | perhaps 4GB is too much to habndle |
| 16:43.34 | sword | troubleboy: adduser troubleboy audio |
| 16:43.48 | troubleboy | xingu: well if i have sound with sb i should be in there right? |
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| 16:44.08 | xingu | troubleboy: you're *much* better off getting es18xx to work rather than using sb |
| 16:44.24 | troubleboy | i know, but this thing sucks |
| 16:44.25 | xingu | troubleboy: the sb emulation on those things, if memory serves, is unadulterated crap |
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| 16:44.43 | luosm | Hmmm, the thouchpad doesn't work the way it should |
| 16:44.45 | xingu | troubleboy: try the modprobe line I gave you |
| 16:44.53 | luosm | any idea? |
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| 16:45.01 | troubleboy | how can i unload snd-es18xx, cuase it depends on a thousand things |
| 16:45.07 | troubleboy | rmmod wont do |
| 16:45.32 | xingu | troubleboy: :) one at a time. or reboot. :) |
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| 16:45.49 | troubleboy | well that's what i figured, i'll be back |
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| 16:46.19 | troubleboy | what program part calls the /etc/modprobe.d/sound file??? |
| 16:46.32 | troubleboy | is it necessary or will the modprobe line overwrite that? |
| 16:46.51 | xingu | troubleboy: that'll get invoked if it matches any modules that are being probed |
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| 16:47.21 | xingu | troubleboy: not sure what the binding order is to be honest; if there's an options es18xx line in there probably sane to override it with the above argument tail. |
| 16:47.33 | xingu | troubleboy: ie in the modprobe.d file |
| 16:47.48 | troubleboy | i'll do after a reboot |
| 16:47.50 | troubleboy | later |
| 16:47.50 | xingu | troubleboy: remainder of the lines (alias ...) shouldn't matter a hill of beans |
| 16:47.54 | delight | why was the package nvu removed out of debian? (just wondering if there is a special reason or maybe some renaming like it happened to iceweasel) |
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| 16:48.54 | delight | !nvu |
| 16:48.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
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| 16:51.26 | xingu | what a brilliant concept, the es18xx driver pokes the supplied settings into the chip on init, but if the soft config doesn't match which isa irq/drq lines are actually wired into the pic, you're basically screwed. |
| 16:51.58 | xingu | what, he asks rhetorically, is the point of making it user configurable at all. |
| 16:52.11 | stickybit` | !skim |
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| 16:52.53 | troubleboy | back |
| 16:53.11 | xingu | woo |
| 16:53.11 | troubleboy | I get that little noise after modprobe that indicates speakers are working, but no sound in vlc or xmms |
| 16:53.34 | troubleboy | is ther sth. like an error file for xmms? |
| 16:53.52 | xingu | ok, make sure that the master and pcm are unmuted and that the volume is 75% or so in alsamixer for both |
| 16:54.20 | xingu | then see if xmms is now making progress in trying to play or if it's still stalling after openning the file |
| 16:54.20 | stickybit` | how to use skim? i have installed IMs for it and exported 2 variables also.... but skim is not working for me |
| 16:54.24 | mmmmmmmm | if Tomcat only works localhost, can it then be accessed remotely through Apache 2 (mod_jk)? |
| 16:54.55 | troubleboy | oh wait, it says Item: master <off> |
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| 16:55.01 | xingu | there ya go. |
| 16:55.02 | troubleboy | but volume is turned up |
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| 16:55.11 | troubleboy | how to turn it on? |
| 16:55.12 | xingu | hit "m" I think to unmute |
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| 16:55.48 | troubleboy | ok that is the moment of truth |
| 16:56.25 | maestro_4 | hello, can anybody tell me how to find all packages which are installed and are from distribution: experimental? |
| 16:56.45 | maestro_4 | i am using sid .. and some of the packages are from experimental. |
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| 16:57.59 | troubleboy | xingu: doesnt start playback, scroll thingy in xmms stays at front |
| 16:58.22 | troubleboy | f************ piece of ***** |
| 16:59.03 | xingu | troubleboy: ok, most likely synopsis is wrong irq, dma1, dma2, or mpu_port variable. |
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| 16:59.14 | xingu | troubleboy: your system's bios probably has a settings sheet for all of the above |
| 16:59.32 | troubleboy | they are exactly like with sb, so why could they be wrong |
| 16:59.38 | RvGaTe | Is there a file on the etch install, where it actually says "etch", on lenny you have /etc/debian_version giving back lenny/sid... on etch it only gives 4.0... |
| 16:59.51 | famir_ | Help ! any idea why my wireless card is not loading unless im running this command "/ipw3945-1.1.2/./load debug=0" ? |
| 16:59.54 | azeem | RvGaTe: no, etch *is* 4.0 |
| 16:59.55 | xingu | troubleboy: sb emulation mode doesn't use dma2 at all |
| 17:00.02 | RvGaTe | azeem, i know... |
| 17:00.09 | azeem | RvGaTe: maybe try lsb-release etc. |
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| 17:00.15 | troubleboy | so if i dont specify dma2 in snd-es18xx/ |
| 17:00.38 | xingu | ... it probably won't work at all. :) |
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| 17:01.16 | troubleboy | to make sure: xmms is alsa output plugin and default pcm device right? |
| 17:01.28 | xingu | troubleboy: check if there's a bios page for the little tyke; also, next time through add "...enable=1..." to the sprinkling of pixie dust you've got going on there |
| 17:01.30 | deebu | fresh install of etch...im not able to access my win partitions....it says could not mount selected volume:( |
| 17:01.36 | mastroDani | i would like to raise the attention of this bug i found: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418477 i think it is being ignored |
| 17:01.55 | xingu | troubleboy: yep; if you want to prove the point, cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp as root |
| 17:02.08 | sword | troubleboy: watch your speaker volume :) |
| 17:02.09 | mastroDani | here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418513 another report of the same bug |
| 17:02.11 | xingu | troubleboy: if the volume controls are unmuted that should always produce some pleasant pink noise |
| 17:02.12 | krazykit | deebu, what's your mount command? |
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| 17:02.29 | deebu | fresh install of etch...im not able to access my fat32 partitions....it says could not mount selected....plz help:( |
| 17:02.52 | dvs | !tell deebu -about repeat |
| 17:03.12 | troubleboy | urandom? |
| 17:03.28 | troubleboy | just like that |
| 17:03.31 | xingu | ja |
| 17:03.37 | troubleboy | no sound |
| 17:03.53 | famir_ | does etch come with compiz build in ? |
| 17:04.03 | sword | troubleboy: Check your wires and make sure it's in the right port? |
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| 17:04.19 | xingu | heh |
| 17:04.21 | troubleboy | wires lol no, it's the pc speakers |
| 17:04.26 | Kronuz | help! :P |
| 17:04.33 | troubleboy | would have to open up the notebook |
| 17:04.39 | sword | troubleboy: ah |
| 17:04.40 | Kronuz | I almost accidentally installed gamin |
| 17:05.04 | xingu | troubleboy: try mpu_port=0x388 |
| 17:05.09 | xingu | troubleboy: that's the other common one. |
| 17:05.11 | Kronuz | but I think I already had fam installed, can someone please tell me if fam is installed by default in a desktop with gnome? |
| 17:05.14 | troubleboy | i'll reboot |
| 17:05.18 | Kronuz | (the fam package) |
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| 17:06.07 | ditoa | where does gnome get the resolutions it lists in Screen Resolution? |
| 17:06.21 | xingu | ditoa: probably xrandr |
| 17:06.22 | ditoa | obviously not from xorg.conf as they are totally different to what is listed in my xorg.conf :) |
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| 17:06.45 | mastroDani | hey? can somebody pay me a little attention or at least give some hint that you read my message? |
| 17:06.50 | Kronuz | now, if I try to install fam or uninstall gamin, it says it'll have to uninstall a bunch of apps :S |
| 17:07.16 | Kronuz | (including gnome and stuff) |
| 17:08.06 | Kronuz | (I think I shouldn't have tried installing gamin... later I found it has some known bugs and that it really isn't better than fam) |
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| 17:09.17 | catoblepa | Kronuz: fam is deprecated, gnome has switched to gamin |
| 17:09.31 | Kronuz | catoblepa: o_O |
| 17:09.35 | Kronuz | but it wasn't installed |
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| 17:09.57 | Kronuz | I think I must have had fam installed, 'cause gamin wasn't |
| 17:10.09 | Kronuz | (untill I installed it myself with apt-get) |
| 17:10.30 | ditoa | my scrollwheel isnt working |
| 17:10.37 | enouf | gamin? is that like ghidra? |
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| 17:11.00 | enouf | or more like gammie ..lol |
| 17:11.13 | ttick | when I receive a non-ascii character-set email (say German with umlauts) in Mutt, the Mutt interface goes all wacky (index screen hops messages, and the index lines get corrupted). Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 17:11.38 | Kronuz | catoblepa: gnome desktop environment recommends fam |
| 17:11.57 | deebu | resh install of etch gnome...im not able to access my fat32 partitions....it says could not mount selected volume....any ideas???? |
| 17:12.07 | RvGaTe | Whenever you install debian, it asks for a qualified domain name... i noticed that i entered the wrong one and now i want to change it... where do i change this? wich dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 17:12.41 | enouf | deebu: gnome-volume-manager settings? .. /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 17:12.46 | xingu | ttick: what version of mutt? |
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| 17:13.39 | ttick | xingu: 1.5.13 |
| 17:13.44 | Kronuz | can anyone using gnome desktop check if they have the fam package installed? |
| 17:13.49 | Kronuz | (by default) |
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| 17:14.04 | xingu | ttick: what does cat /etc/default/locale say? |
| 17:14.22 | xingu | Kronuz: not here; sid, post-gnome2.18 |
| 17:14.31 | enouf | RvGaTe: well .. if it's a dpkg-reconfigure option, it's either netbase, netselect, or netkit-inetd .. AFAICT |
| 17:14.34 | ttick | xingu: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 17:14.35 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 17:14.37 | xingu | Kronuz: don't have gamin either |
| 17:14.49 | Kronuz | xingu: o_O what is gnome using then? |
| 17:15.04 | xingu | ttick: what terminal program are you running it in? |
| 17:15.16 | ttick | xingu: rxvt (through screen) |
| 17:15.19 | xingu | Kronuz: who knows. :) |
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| 17:15.31 | RvGaTe | enouf, since its in the base installation, i'd expect it to be dpkg-reconfigure'able... ill give it a try, thx |
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| 17:15.40 | xingu | ttick: try rxvt-unicode. |
| 17:15.47 | Kronuz | xingu: could you plese check what would be "uninstalled" if you were to install gamin |
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| 17:16.13 | xingu | ttick: sounds like the rxvt you're using has no unicode support - not terribly surprising, it's a (relatively) recent patch. |
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| 17:16.22 | Kronuz | (I don't remember seeing anything to be uninstalled...) |
| 17:16.26 | ttick | xingu: okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks |
| 17:16.32 | deebu | no one can help? :( i was expecting much better support:( |
| 17:16.37 | deebu | newbie here |
| 17:16.42 | xingu | Kronuz: libfam0 only |
| 17:16.46 | RvGaTe | enouf, none of them worked... :S where can i do it manually ? |
| 17:17.05 | Kronuz | but if I now try to uninstall gamin, I get a whole bunch of apps that are supposed to be uninstalled |
| 17:17.18 | Scorp1on | im using a standard debian kernel. how would i prevent certain modules to be loaded? for example...i don't need sound, so can i blacklist the driver? |
| 17:17.29 | Kronuz | xingu: thanks :) |
| 17:17.47 | Kronuz | that information proved to be very valuable to me :-) ... the libfam0 |
| 17:17.52 | xingu | Kronuz: rdepends on libfam0 is impressively huge |
| 17:17.59 | xingu | Kronuz: I'd say that's root cause right there. |
| 17:18.00 | Kronuz | xingu: so you are using fam after all |
| 17:18.20 | enouf | RvGaTe: appears to be man dnsdomainname |
| 17:18.22 | xingu | Kronuz: no fam package (or famd); so I bet libfam0 is a noop |
| 17:18.40 | enouf | RvGaTe: info within .. can get and/or set |
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| 17:19.31 | Kronuz | xingu: fam package contains only tools most likely |
| 17:19.38 | Scorp1on | hm there must be some sort of blacklist file |
| 17:19.39 | Scorp1on | but where |
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| 17:19.49 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 17:20.00 | Kronuz | xingu: but who knows... :P |
| 17:20.08 | xingu | Kronuz: and famd - libfam0 without it can't be terribly effective I'd guess. |
| 17:20.22 | Scorp1on | there is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ... but not sure |
| 17:20.27 | Kronuz | xingu: anyway, as fam is recommended I'll install it :P |
| 17:20.59 | enouf | RvGaTe: appears settable in /etc/hosts |
| 17:21.04 | xingu | !tell Scorp1on about blacklist |
| 17:21.07 | Kronuz | okay, brb, going to restart to dosme other testing stuff... cya |
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| 17:21.58 | xingu | deebu: what is it that you're doing, that is producing that error? |
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| 17:22.48 | RvGaTe | enouf, ah, nice... thx |
| 17:22.59 | enouf | no prob |
| 17:23.08 | xingu | RvGaTe: etc/resolv.conf is usually the place to set it |
| 17:23.14 | xingu | RvGaTe: "domain ..." |
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| 17:23.33 | enouf | x-Dieu: tthe machine's FQDN ? |
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| 17:23.38 | enouf | er xingu |
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| 17:23.46 | xingu | enouf: just the trailing domain name |
| 17:24.20 | Lord_Devi | I've buggered something up pretty good on my box.. I was following this guide which asked me install a number of packages - suffice it to say one of the packages required pkg 'locales' to be removed for some reason.. and I'm getting tons of "perl: warning: Setting locale failed".. I tried to install 'locales' again but it says it needs glibc and glibc is uninstallable for some reason.. |
| 17:24.20 | xingu | enouf: there's always religion about whether canonical dnsnames, or, nodenames should be listed in etc/hosts |
| 17:24.30 | enouf | my /etc/resolv.conf has no names at all :-( only my ISP servers |
| 17:24.38 | enouf | ok |
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| 17:25.00 | xingu | enouf: see resolv.conf(5): domain ... |
| 17:25.03 | Lord_Devi | Can someone help me out? I've exhausted everything i could find on google regarding this bug =/ It's all "dpkg reconfigure locales' and such.. but if i can't install that package again i can't follow thier advice.. |
| 17:25.08 | enouf | xingu: ack |
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| 17:25.47 | xingu | enouf: the linux behaviour looks broken to one school of zealotry/bigotry. |
| 17:26.13 | xingu | enouf: and it looks jolly fine to the other; I'm not getting into it, but that's the knob to twist if you find yourself on the wrong side of intractable. |
| 17:26.25 | enouf | xingu: my $deity can beat your $deity up ;-) |
| 17:26.33 | xingu | yes, basically. :) |
| 17:26.37 | enouf | hehe |
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| 17:27.39 | xingu | enouf: the danger is when dns is not your only namespace; if you have dns /and/ ldap, and you've named systems with their canonical dnsname rather than their nodename, you've just created an awkward mess. |
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| 17:28.28 | enouf | xingu: hrmm .. i see .. will file that away somewhere up there, thanks ;-) |
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| 17:29.43 | hark | Lord_Devi: what advice? what can't you install? |
| 17:30.13 | Lord_Devi | hark: I am unable to reinstall 'locales'. Which seems to be causing TONS of problems for me.. |
| 17:30.36 | Lord_Devi | hark: it says it requires glibc, however when i try to install it says it cannot be because it's been obsoleted or some such.. |
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| 17:30.59 | hark | what? are you running sid? |
| 17:31.00 | dvs | Lord_Devi: did you recently upgrade or something? |
| 17:31.08 | Lord_Devi | hark: Oh sorry hark, I am running etch |
| 17:31.17 | Lord_Devi | dvs: Yes I did! Huge upgrade too |
| 17:31.24 | troubleboy | This is not leading anywhere, i'm desperate |
| 17:31.34 | Scorp1on | hm im on debian etch. so i added "blacklist snd" and "blacklist soundcore" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ... but it still gets loaded |
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| 17:31.51 | xingu | troubleboy: what hardware is this? (system make/model) |
| 17:31.57 | dvs | troubleboy: what's no leading anywhere? |
| 17:32.10 | troubleboy | is soundcore supposed to be running or not? |
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| 17:32.38 | troubleboy | maybe i've got any oss stuff running still |
| 17:32.42 | dvs | troubleboy: if you want sound, yes |
| 17:32.44 | xingu | dvs: alsa, es1869 soundcard, produces sound using sb driver but not native (snd-es18xx) driver |
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| 17:33.16 | hark | Lord_Devi: aptitude install locales says what? |
| 17:33.29 | Lord_Devi | hark: I'll tell you in a second here |
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| 17:33.41 | xingu | dvs: sound levels are unmuted and volume levels are raised; xmms is not progressing into a file, cat /dev/urandom >/dev/snd produces nothing; smells like broken irq/dma/io mappings to me anyway. |
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| 17:34.16 | xingu | troubleboy: what system make/model is this? I think you said it was a notebook? |
| 17:34.24 | dvs | troubleboy: is the snd-pcm-oss kernel module loaded? |
| 17:34.28 | Lord_Devi | hark: oh wow. I got alot from that.. |
| 17:34.32 | nn-main | how do i mount a nfs dirve |
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| 17:34.48 | xand | nn-main: man mount |
| 17:34.51 | RvGaTe | xingu, that just killed my server :P |
| 17:35.01 | xingu | wha? :) |
| 17:35.13 | nn-main | xand, already looked there |
| 17:35.15 | troubleboy | it's a scenic mobile 750 notebook from siemens |
| 17:35.22 | troubleboy | kinda old |
| 17:35.27 | Lord_Devi | hark: says locales is broken. libssl is unused will be removed.. a HUGE list of packages "kept back" and says locales needs unmet glibc which is a virtual package. |
| 17:35.27 | nn-main | xand, no info |
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| 17:35.37 | xand | nn-main: rubbish, look again |
| 17:35.43 | Lord_Devi | hark: score is -10003? hrm what's that mean |
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| 17:36.06 | Kronuz | I'm back :) |
| 17:36.16 | nn-main | what is the sintax mount -t nfs ip:directory?? |
| 17:36.16 | troubleboy | dvs: is loaded, but not used |
| 17:36.25 | hark | Lord_Devi: well, did an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade? |
| 17:36.27 | Kronuz | hey, how can I tell if inotify is active or not? |
| 17:36.34 | militant | hmmm 2 or 3 times now my machine has totally locked up. started humming from the speakers. nothing in logs, no common activity or app doing it, unless it's my snes emulator. |
| 17:36.49 | nn-main | what is the sintax mount -t nfs //cpname/dir |
| 17:36.50 | Lord_Devi | hark: I've done an apt-get update/upgrade earlier today. I didn't use aptitude though |
| 17:36.52 | dvs | troubleboy: ??? not used? I guess that snd-es18xx uses it and not the other way around |
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| 17:37.12 | nn-main | im trying to figure this out |
| 17:37.14 | hark | Lord_Devi: you just did a sarge->etch upgrade right? |
| 17:37.24 | Lord_Devi | hark: No I was using etch before too |
| 17:37.27 | nn-main | man page didnt giv example |
| 17:37.38 | Lord_Devi | hark: but it was a huge update today regardless |
| 17:37.43 | dvs | Lord_Devi: check your /etc/apt/preferences. I'm guessing you're mixing distros |
| 17:37.45 | troubleboy | well on a restart of alsa-utils all i get is alsa starting and shutting down, no messages about modules, that correct??? |
| 17:38.05 | dvs | troubleboy: that's right. |
| 17:38.08 | hark | Lord_Devi: do you have testing in your sources by any chance? |
| 17:38.19 | Lord_Devi | dvs: Ok i will have a look at that too |
| 17:39.00 | Lord_Devi | dvs: there is no /etc/apt/preferences.. |
| 17:39.24 | Lord_Devi | hark: Yes I have testing |
| 17:39.42 | troubleboy | found something, i'll be back |
| 17:39.45 | dvs | Lord_Devi: that's why. You're running lenny now |
| 17:39.47 | nvz | Anyone know what "badness in futexes" might be? http://24.3.200.17/dmesg.log I just noticed all these error dumps in my logs |
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| 17:40.02 | Lord_Devi | dvs: oh, i thought i had to do an apt-get dist-upgrade for that |
| 17:40.19 | Lord_Devi | dvs: I mean to properly switch to lenny that is. |
| 17:40.22 | dvs | Lord_Devi: when etch became stable, lenny became testing |
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| 17:40.49 | Lord_Devi | dvs: Ah, I grok. Ok, hrm. would an apt-get distupgrade fix the problem maybe? |
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| 17:41.13 | dvs | Lord_Devi: first, change "testing" to "etch" and you might have a chance. |
| 17:41.14 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 17:41.15 | hark | it depends on how broken lenny is at the moment |
| 17:41.23 | xingu | RvGaTe: what's up with your system? |
| 17:41.32 | Lord_Devi | dvs: hrm, ok |
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| 17:41.49 | RvGaTe | xingu, back up again... when i changed the values and restarting networking.. it just left the building :P |
| 17:41.50 | repyskichboarder | hello, can somebody help me to configure my wireless connesction^ |
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| 17:43.26 | xingu | RvGaTe: did you just change /etc/resolv.conf? and how did you go about restarting networking? |
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| 17:43.41 | smop` | hola |
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| 17:43.57 | smop` | How can i configure the services that have to start at boot time? |
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| 17:44.05 | myrkraverk | marix172: have you asked already here? |
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| 17:44.18 | dvs | smop`: man update-rc.d |
| 17:44.20 | RvGaTe | xingu, yeah, changed it... added the "domain" part (guess it went wrong there), then i restarted networking: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:44.23 | smop` | dvs: ok THX |
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| 17:45.02 | Lcarsdata | how do I login as root? |
| 17:45.08 | dvs | ??? |
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| 17:45.14 | xingu | RvGaTe: that should have been fine; my guess would be that the fault is unrelated; it's probably more likely to be that restarting networking downed your network interface and then your shell session either hung or exitted because there was no networking. |
| 17:45.18 | RvGaTe | Lcarsdata, where do you want to login to... ? |
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| 17:45.27 | Lcarsdata | my pc |
| 17:45.34 | plundra | Five bucks he's a ubuntu-lüser :-) |
| 17:45.39 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 17:45.40 | twenex | heh |
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| 17:45.43 | RvGaTe | true.. true.. |
| 17:45.56 | Lcarsdata | plundra: I will take you up on that bet. |
| 17:46.02 | xingu | RvGaTe: just to add insult to injury, I don't think restarting networking was technically required. :) |
| 17:46.17 | marix172 | hello. ive made a mistake while aptitude upgrade on my sarge box. so now some of the programs doesnt work. when i tried to install fx. galeon again, it says i have some broken packages, that are hold back...how do i fix it? |
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| 17:46.40 | RvGaTe | Lcarsdata, you dont login as root to use your pc... login as a normal user if you want to use your pc... only use root when needed... (package install, configuration etc) |
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| 17:46.52 | enouf | Lcarsdata: ctrl-alt-f1-6, if you like .. how's you wireless seup going? |
| 17:46.56 | Lcarsdata | bad |
| 17:47.02 | xingu | RvGaTe: resolv.conf changes bind immediately (well, it's context shared between a given process and its cow-image of libnss, but aaaaanyway) |
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| 17:47.05 | Lcarsdata | there is no gnome network manage |
| 17:47.13 | Lcarsdata | and my account isn't on the sudoers list |
| 17:47.17 | Lcarsdata | so I can't use sudo |
| 17:47.21 | enouf | Lcarsdata: what is you wifi card? pcmcia? usb? |
| 17:47.29 | Lcarsdata | usb |
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| 17:47.31 | enouf | is it a laptop? |
| 17:47.38 | Lcarsdata | nope, dekstop |
| 17:47.46 | enouf | Lcarsdata: what's lsusb -v say about it? |
| 17:47.54 | RvGaTe | xingu, oh well.. its not a priority... :P |
| 17:48.01 | Lcarsdata | does the stick have to be in enouf? |
| 17:48.02 | RvGaTe | xingu, thx for the help tho :P |
| 17:48.07 | enouf | Lcarsdata: use su - |
| 17:48.09 | smop` | dvs: with that tool i can enable/disable the services at boot time. But how can i see what services are enabled? |
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| 17:48.17 | enouf | Lcarsdata: erm yes ;-) |
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| 17:48.21 | Lcarsdata | :( |
| 17:48.24 | Lcarsdata | I only have one |
| 17:48.30 | enouf | 1 what? |
| 17:48.30 | Lcarsdata | su - |
| 17:48.36 | Lcarsdata | oops, wrong keyboard |
| 17:48.41 | Lcarsdata | 1 usb stick |
| 17:48.43 | dvs | smop`: ls /etc/rc.# |
| 17:48.43 | enouf | Lcarsdata: su - for root access |
| 17:48.53 | enouf | haha |
| 17:48.59 | xingu | smop`: cd etc; ls rc?.d/S* |
| 17:49.15 | smop` | dvs: i've done grep -i dhclient /etc/rc?.d/* and i've found nothing |
| 17:49.18 | Lcarsdata | one sec, will check |
| 17:49.22 | smop` | but for some weird reason, dhclient starts at boot time. |
| 17:49.29 | enouf | smop`: /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:49.30 | smop` | xingu: that's for you too :-) |
| 17:49.42 | smop` | enouf: ok THX |
| 17:49.48 | xingu | smop`: are any of your interfaces auto/dhcp in etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:49.56 | smop` | xingu: let me check |
| 17:49.57 | myrkraverk | marix172: like this? |
| 17:50.13 | smop` | xingu: yes.. there is eth0 |
| 17:50.14 | phretor | (I keep asking since new people have joined the chan) it seems that GWorkspace.app is not accepting COMMAND-TAB (ALT-TAB) as the shortcut for cycling windows. Any idea? I've googled too much today without succes. Thanks in advance. |
| 17:50.17 | smop` | but i didn't put it there ;) |
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| 17:50.32 | xingu | smop`: blame enouf, he slipped it in while your back was turned |
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| 17:50.36 | xingu | he's tricky like that |
| 17:50.46 | enouf | !lart me |
| 17:50.57 | smop` | uhm.. |
| 17:51.00 | smop` | THX |
| 17:51.40 | xingu | phretor: that is between your god, your window manager, and you. :) |
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| 17:52.16 | xingu | phretor: window list pager and the binding of meta keys to it are specific to your DE; so the channel will need to know that too. |
| 17:52.24 | smop` | brb |
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| 17:52.41 | enouf | damned smokeyrunners! |
| 17:53.02 | JordiGH | This is rather puzzling. Dead keys don't work in OO.o, but they work in every other X app. I've seen a few threads online of people with the same problem, but no solutions offered... There was one thread for MacOS X that gave a lengthy reply using xmodmap, but I don't think X is to blame for this, since like I said, other X apps can use dead keys normally. |
| 17:53.30 | yang | this iceweasel crashes on me more often than mozilla |
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| 17:53.46 | JordiGH | yang: Iceweasel crashes on me way too often too. :-( |
| 17:53.53 | troubleboy | Hoooooray |
| 17:54.00 | enouf | JordiGH: might be the workings of you DE manager? |
| 17:54.12 | phretor | thanks for the reminder xingu: I'm currently using GWorkspace.app over WindowManager - the classical ALT-TAB do works on pure WindowManager but it stops working when I'm on GWorkspace.app over WindowMaker. |
| 17:54.26 | JordiGH | enouf: Good guess. Let's see if the problem persists if I run X without KDE. |
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| 17:54.27 | yang | hehe |
| 17:54.31 | troubleboy | I got 'er working xingu |
| 17:54.45 | xingu | troubleboy: egcellent... and for my benefit the missing link was? |
| 17:54.47 | JordiGH | yin |
| 17:54.50 | JordiGH | not ying.. |
| 17:54.51 | JordiGH | afaik |
| 17:54.57 | mafu | What's the preferred way of storing iptables rules in Etch, so they don't get lost at reboot? |
| 17:55.23 | RvGaTe | How can i make sure the "ls" command gets colored by default... normally i would write an alias in my .bash_profile... but how can i make that work for everyone on the system? |
| 17:55.24 | dvs | troubleboy: what happened? |
| 17:55.36 | enouf | i don;t know what alsa does, but there cerainly is no more /dev/dsp anywhere |
| 17:55.44 | enouf | certainly* |
| 17:55.48 | yang | JordiGH: at least iceweasel remembers his last sites...so you can restore the session |
| 17:55.50 | xingu | JordiGH: it's a total red herring but in the good old days I hit lotsa problems like that; some x11 widget sets (motif was the bane of my life) want different keysyms bound to the same keycodes. |
| 17:56.01 | xingu | JordiGH: that might be what those xmodmap-fearing pages are alluding to |
| 17:56.05 | JordiGH | enouf: It just occurred to me that I don't even know how to change keyboard layouts without KDe |
| 17:56.12 | enouf | haha |
| 17:56.14 | pingouin | i've just installed Konqueror, and...i can browser file from a windows network with it, but i did not install samba stuff , why ? it's include in Konqueror ? |
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| 17:56.38 | enouf | JordiGH: kcontrol == the labirynth into the neverland ;-) |
| 17:56.48 | troubleboy | Well I had the correct settings, but those needed to be in /etc/modprobe.d/sound before a reboot and i put snd-es18xx into /etc/modules, then turned on the master volume and voila |
| 17:56.50 | xingu | JordiGH: there's a variety of different ways in x11 to recieve input events, and you pick a "standard" widget library, it'll be using a different one. |
| 17:56.56 | militant | hmmm 5 blanks rejected. is there a way to find out if it's my disks or my burner? it's spitting them back out, claiming they're blank but it can't write to them |
| 17:56.57 | enouf | pinucset: it's a plugin .. |
| 17:57.01 | xingu | troubleboy: excellent |
| 17:57.11 | troubleboy | took me 2 hours, man alive |
| 17:57.16 | enouf | pinucset: you too ..see kcontrol cener to control that |
| 17:57.19 | troubleboy | hope this will work with flash now |
| 17:57.30 | myrkraverk | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:57.30 | myrkraverk | Xlib: No protocol specified <---- can someone help marix172 with that? |
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| 17:57.42 | Lcarsdata | enouf: iwconfig is not finding my device |
| 17:57.42 | xingu | troubleboy: now you know why I've been trying for a decade to surgically sterilise those neurons with alchohol |
| 17:57.42 | JordiGH | xingu: I didn't have this problem pre-etch. etch seems to have really messed around with locales and input. :-( |
| 17:57.44 | stoned | rahul you here or there |
| 17:57.55 | stoned | somewhere |
| 17:57.56 | zinx | militant: try those discs in a known working burner, and try known working discs in your burner |
| 17:58.06 | pokoko | myrkraverk, is that run by root or someone else who has no access to X server ? |
| 17:58.19 | Kronuz | hey, has anyone set up a tickets based mailing system? |
| 17:58.22 | xingu | JordiGH: I can't remember far enough back, but again in the etch+ world, we've gone doublebyte, l10n/i18n, and utf-8 |
| 17:58.25 | enouf | militant: cds or dvds? |
| 17:58.27 | militant | well this is in syslog: |
| 17:58.28 | militant | Apr 15 13:55:55 localhost kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 17:58.31 | troubleboy | xingu: i dont get your point :) |
| 17:58.35 | myrkraverk | pokoko: let her reply |
| 17:58.36 | enouf | Lcarsdata: you have you module loaded? |
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| 17:58.42 | enouf | your* |
| 17:58.43 | Kronuz | is that done at the MTA level? |
| 17:58.44 | militant | enouf: cd's |
| 17:58.47 | Lcarsdata | enouf: which module? |
| 17:58.57 | zinx | militant: that just means it's blank. you're not going to figure out what's wrong without trying other discs/burners. |
| 17:59.00 | enouf | !tell Lcarsdata about whicj driver |
| 17:59.03 | enouf | !tell Lcarsdata about which driver |
| 17:59.04 | xingu | troubleboy: beer, man, beer; you stare at the ass end of an isa sound card for too long and you too will want to down enough to forget the experience forever |
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| 17:59.10 | pokoko | marix172, who is running a program in X ? you or the root or someone else ? |
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| 17:59.36 | militant | zinx: that sucks, kuz i don't have other disks available, and the only other burner is a failing cd-rw in a half-dead laptop. hrrrm. |
| 17:59.37 | marix172 | i am, but ive tried as root too |
| 17:59.57 | pokoko | marix172, how are you able to run your chat client then ? |
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| 18:00.02 | enouf | militant: hrm .,, there's a way to grab the ATIP data .. what's sdparm -al /dev/hdX say ? .. pastebin that info |
| 18:00.09 | marix172 | pokoko: no, this is on another server |
| 18:00.11 | JordiGH | xingu: I don't like this utf-8 thing. The idea is great, but it's been giving me problems I didn't have before. I can't wait until it really becomes the One True Code. |
| 18:00.18 | zinx | militant: sucks, but that's the way it is. decent companies will let you RMA the drive. |
| 18:00.22 | pokoko | marix172, it generally means that the person doesn't have access to X server. |
| 18:00.28 | xingu | JordiGH: for what it's worth, I'd suggest creating a new dummy user account and logging in via your display manager (xdm/kdm/wdm/partridge-in-a-pear-tree-dm) and trying |
| 18:00.28 | zinx | militant: if you get another dud, it's probably the discs. |
| 18:00.29 | enouf | militant: CD-RW only disks? |
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| 18:00.43 | marix172 | pokoko: but i have. and my tv-time is working... |
| 18:00.47 | xingu | JordiGH: if that works, you might have some broken user environment "somewhere" in $HOME |
| 18:00.58 | marix172 | its only programs that needs to go online that doesnt work |
| 18:00.59 | liable | haha, someone saying the article is a load of shit got modded troll... |
| 18:01.01 | militant | cd-r and it's an old hp cd-writer+ |
| 18:01.02 | xingu | JordiGH: it's a reasonably quick test that will roughly halve the search space for this sort of foolishness |
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| 18:01.58 | enouf | militant: which app? or CLI? if so, has it ever worked? what's different? diff command? diff cake-box of blankls? |
| 18:02.29 | marix172 | pokoko: but is there a way, where i can start the aptitude upgrate over...or make it forget i made it? |
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| 18:02.35 | pokoko | marix172, ok i needed to look up exactly. do "xhost localhost:<the_user>" |
| 18:02.54 | militant | enouf: the standard gnome burner i guess? just an iso in my home dir, right-click to burn as bootable cd image. and it worked just fine on sarge, a week ago, to burn my etch disk |
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| 18:03.00 | enouf | militant: i know dvd+rw-tools has a "dvd+rw-mediainfo" command , though haven't tried it on CDs |
| 18:03.16 | pokoko | marix172, then write this line in the user's .bashrc file "export XAUTHORITY=/home/the_user's_name/.Xauthority". restart the session |
| 18:03.22 | enouf | militant: and what happens now? |
| 18:03.34 | enouf | militant: does it ssay it's actually burning?> |
| 18:03.39 | Tallu | xingu: haha wish me luck, had to redo the thing without lvm, now waiting for one of the monkeys to go reboot it and ejecting the cdrom, no lvm so i could create a new initramfs |
| 18:03.43 | Drum | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592549 |
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| 18:03.50 | militant | it immediately errors, says it can't write to the cd, gives no reason, doesn't burn at all, and spits the disk out |
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| 18:03.58 | smop` | hola |
| 18:04.10 | xingu | Tallu: nice |
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| 18:04.31 | xingu | Tallu: might I interest you in a nice line in remote lights-out manageable 1RU servers? ;) |
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| 18:04.32 | xand | Drum: go away |
| 18:04.35 | enouf | militant: hrmm .. mk .. what's gnome-volume-manager say? any faults/errors in dmesg | tail output? |
| 18:04.44 | Drum | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592549 |
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| 18:04.53 | enouf | uh oh |
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| 18:04.55 | xand | !ops Drum spamming |
| 18:04.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: Drum spamming |
| 18:04.58 | marix172 | pokoko: im sorry. im not that experienced with this...so i think i do it wrong |
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| 18:05.12 | Tallu | xingu: haha, mayhap! |
| 18:05.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@62.84.12.26] by mentor |
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| 18:05.16 | xingu | jungle drums say spammer on the loose |
| 18:05.19 | xand | thanks! |
| 18:05.23 | mentor | np |
| 18:05.26 | xingu | jungle drums say phantom justice swift |
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| 18:06.01 | militant | enouf: dmesg just shows the 'no tracks i recognize' bit and volume manager says it's a blank cd. |
| 18:06.05 | mentor | "Listen to that Captain; they've got War Drums!" Geordie: "The thieving bastards." |
| 18:06.20 | parsonsd | what's a quick way to tell if i have a process on port 1099? |
| 18:06.22 | dvs | Scottie: "oi" |
| 18:06.30 | xingu | parsonsd: netstat -anp |
| 18:06.31 | JordiGH | So, what about those Perl warnings about locales? I think those were pretty common; I heard other people having them too. Btw, I fixed my dead key problem, setting LANG=anything-but-C seems to work. |
| 18:06.34 | gh0zt | investigating |
| 18:06.34 | myrkraverk | mentor: is that an actual quote? |
| 18:06.37 | brent | Hi, I keep getting warnings from perl when I do anything with apt-get that my locale settings are unset (LANGUAGE and LC_ALL), I've tried to install the "locales" package but apt-get says that glibc-2.5 is uninstallable (2.5 isn't available for Debian yet for various reasons). I'm on Sid. Anybody know any work arounds? |
| 18:06.54 | pokoko | marix172, what do yo mean ? ok go to your terminal and type "xhost local:<the_username_you_want_to_give_access_to_X_server>" and then edit the file called .bashrc and enter "export XAUTHORITY=/home/that_user's_name/.Xauthority" there. |
| 18:06.55 | enouf | militant: you upgraded to etch? as Stable now only (from sarge) ? |
| 18:06.57 | Tallu | xingu: well, it didn't work, even with the module inserted into the initramfs |
| 18:07.06 | dvs | I guess sid's locales is really broken |
| 18:07.07 | militant | enouf: not upgrade. fresh install |
| 18:07.25 | enouf | ok .. and have you ever been able to burn cds yet? |
| 18:07.31 | xingu | Tallu: you're a more patient or less expensive (hourly rate) person than I; my winged cohorts would have been busting their ass in line at fry's four hours ago. :) |
| 18:07.32 | militant | haven't needed to til now |
| 18:07.33 | parsonsd | trying to use java's rmi and the example prg from the prof bails on me, nevermind mine own |
| 18:07.40 | parsonsd | thnx xingu |
| 18:07.49 | enouf | militant: do you have entries in /etc/fstab? for your cdrw drive? |
| 18:07.53 | brent | dvs: yep I guess so. I'm hoping there's some kind of work around in the mean time until glibc gets upgraded to 2.5 (which isn't likely going to happen for a long time for architecture portability reasons) |
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| 18:08.11 | Lcarsdata | enouf: done that, what now? |
| 18:08.22 | militant | enouf: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 18:08.31 | JordiGH | See what I mean? Everyone has problems with locales. :-) |
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| 18:08.45 | xingu | it's a local locale for local people |
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| 18:08.56 | brent | I think it was kind of dumb to build the locales pkg with glibc-2.5 considering 2.5 isn't and won't be supported in Debian for a while |
| 18:09.01 | enouf | militant: login as root and burn .. try that |
| 18:09.05 | Tallu | xingu: well i'm actually doing this as a favor and the server is in sweden, dont know if they had the chance to go get anything today |
| 18:09.07 | dvs | brent: or the elections a more likely reason. ;-) |
| 18:09.16 | mentor | myrkraverk: I doubt it, and I haven't a source. |
| 18:09.17 | enouf | Lcarsdata: erm .. done what? ;-) |
| 18:09.21 | enouf | Lcarsdata: i forget |
| 18:09.24 | myrkraverk | mentor: ;) |
| 18:09.30 | Lcarsdata | that driver thing enouf |
| 18:09.37 | militant | k guess i'll find/figure out a cli burner real fast. or is there one that's likely to be installed already? (i don't burn much at all) |
| 18:09.46 | Tallu | xingu: if this was for work i would have long ago told them to get their HCLs checked before buying anything, hehe |
| 18:09.52 | xingu | well I for one see this as a great opportunity to remind folk that amd64 /isn't/ busted wrt locales. :) |
| 18:09.58 | hark | brent: it's sid! |
| 18:10.03 | brent | dvs: you mean that the elections are causing my locale problems? |
| 18:10.06 | enouf | Lcarsdata: ok .. bah .. it's only an PCI driver thing .. bah an gah |
| 18:10.12 | brent | lol I know I shouldn't be complaining :) |
| 18:10.23 | xingu | Tallu: <grin> |
| 18:10.23 | JordiGH | militant: dd? |
| 18:10.27 | brent | Just seems silly to build against a lib that's not supported |
| 18:10.31 | enouf | Lcarsdata: what's your device make/model ? |
| 18:10.34 | JordiGH | dd can be used to burn, right? |
| 18:10.34 | brent | o wells |
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| 18:10.41 | dvs | brent: meaning that the elections may not make it a priority. But I was just joking. |
| 18:10.48 | enouf | JordiGH: sure |
| 18:10.48 | hark | brent: you can always go back to 2.5-1 |
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| 18:10.53 | Dark_Hades | hi |
| 18:10.56 | Thorrn4 | hello, I just installed Debian Etch and I was wondering, where can I get a new repo list from? |
| 18:11.02 | brent | dvs: yeah :) I figured that was a joke |
| 18:11.04 | enouf | JordiGH: growisofs uses it ;-) |
| 18:11.09 | brent | hark: really? how? |
| 18:11.10 | JordiGH | !tell Thorrn4 about mirrors |
| 18:11.14 | xingu | Thorrn4: I'll sell you one for a benjamin |
| 18:11.20 | dvs | heh |
| 18:11.22 | enouf | haha |
| 18:11.26 | dvs | how about a jackson? |
| 18:11.33 | enouf | takes a grant |
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| 18:11.47 | Lcarsdata | enouf: there is no make or model |
| 18:11.54 | Dark_Hades | i need to install bcm43xx-fwcutter but i can find it in my repos, do anyone knows in what repo i can find it? |
| 18:12.01 | enouf | Lcarsdata: sure there is .. it's magic |
| 18:12.08 | hark | brent: hmm take a look at sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) and dpkg -i it |
| 18:12.14 | Thorrn4 | does it matter how many repos u have in ur sources,list? |
| 18:12.25 | brent | hark: ok I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:12.29 | hark | Dark_Hades: it's in contrib |
| 18:12.31 | JordiGH | Thorn4: Not really. One is enough. |
| 18:12.36 | enouf | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 18:12.38 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:006-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 18:12.44 | enouf | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 18:12.50 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 18:13.03 | dubphil | Hello, anyone got apt broken after updating sarge ? it was just un update of apache2 and php4 and after this apt says segmentation fault, I'm lost please help, google doesn't help. |
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| 18:13.19 | Gnurdux | wow |
| 18:13.23 | enouf | Dark_Hades: add contrib (and maybe non-free) to your sources.list |
| 18:13.30 | Gnurdux | you got apt to segfault? |
| 18:13.42 | hark | brent: when on sid, you've got to keep an eye out for such things.. especially held packages ;) |
| 18:13.46 | enouf | Dark_Hades: then apt-get update and try again |
| 18:13.54 | Gnurdux | does it segfault whenever you run it now? |
| 18:13.56 | dubphil | Gnurdux : yes and it was not updated itself :( |
| 18:14.02 | Dark_Hades | ok, i'll try |
| 18:14.07 | Gnurdux | which is quite strange |
| 18:14.08 | hark | dubphil: with an update as well? |
| 18:14.26 | militant | hah. |
| 18:14.33 | militant | oddly the laptop looks like it's gonna successfully burn |
| 18:14.36 | Lcarsdata | enouf: (ZD1211B)IEEE 802.11 b+g USB Adapter |
| 18:14.46 | dubphil | hark: with update it check all the repos and ends with the seg fault |
| 18:14.47 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: It's actually not that hard to get apt to segfault... I've never done it myself, but I've heard more than one report in here about people who accomplish that. |
| 18:14.56 | hark | dubphil: remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run an update again |
| 18:15.06 | brent | hark: I usually catch these things, but I did a net-inst with etch, and got a very basic system setup, then did a dist-upgrade. I realize now that I should've got everything kosher and working under etch and then do a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:15.11 | enouf | ooo Lcarsdata .. that's a n-i-c-e |
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| 18:15.17 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, never happened to me.. i hope it stays that way |
| 18:15.25 | enouf | Lcarsdata: what does google tell you about it? |
| 18:15.29 | hark | heh right, dist-upgrades are evil that way ;) |
| 18:15.36 | enouf | Lcarsdata: or the box it came in |
| 18:15.38 | JordiGH | Does aptitude call apt anymore? I know it's a big rewrite of a lot of parts of apt. |
| 18:15.50 | Lcarsdata | enouf: it has no box |
| 18:15.56 | JordiGH | aptitude doesn't segfault, but damn, I wish it wouldn't take so long for it to tell me that I mistyped a package's name on the command line. :-/ |
| 18:15.58 | enouf | figures .. heh |
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| 18:16.36 | enouf | it prolly doesn't even have a chip .. |
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| 18:17.12 | xingu | enouf: gotta go for a while, but that's a zydas usb acx job. |
| 18:17.13 | enouf | militant: ?? |
| 18:17.18 | dubphil | hark: Thanks a lot it did it :) |
| 18:17.21 | xingu | enouf: don't ask me how I know. |
| 18:17.22 | enouf | xingu: okie .. thanks |
| 18:17.24 | Lcarsdata | enouf: I know that debian has the drivers for it, I just don't know what to type into terminal |
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| 18:18.18 | enouf | Lcarsdata: and how would I? ..lol .. modprobe <module> is the command , and once working you add that name to /etc/modules, if you want it available at boot time |
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| 18:18.32 | Lcarsdata | ok |
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| 18:19.17 | militant | well hell |
| 18:19.21 | dvs | JordiGH: why can't you use them? |
| 18:19.28 | militant | no centos 5 for the laptop today. no cd burningi s gonna get done. |
| 18:19.32 | JordiGH | This better not break anything. I'm going back to LANG=C haven if I experience the slightest discomfort. |
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| 18:20.03 | JordiGH | dvs: Meh. Emacs got confused with UTF-8 last time I tried using it. Konsole also got confused. |
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| 18:20.26 | dvs | JordiGH: I though emacs needs the mule package to deal with it. |
| 18:20.41 | JordiGH | dvs: And I think there must have been a bug a few weeks before etch release with Perl complaining about locales that did in fact get generated. |
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| 18:21.05 | JordiGH | dvs: Why would I want MULE for characters that exist in ASCII? Emacs was having problems with quotes and slashes, fer tuxsakes. |
| 18:21.18 | dvs | tuxsakes? |
| 18:21.31 | JordiGH | Don't mess with my deities if I don't mess with yours. |
| 18:21.44 | Gnurdux | <dvs> tuxsakes? |
| 18:21.44 | Gnurdux | <JordiGH> Don't mess with my deities if I don't mess with yours. |
| 18:21.46 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:21.55 | Gnurdux | good quote for bash.org |
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| 18:22.09 | dvs | depends on your definition of "mess" ;-) |
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| 18:23.15 | JordiGH | Ok, here it goes... |
| 18:23.17 | enouf | militant: wodim --help |
| 18:23.19 | StyXman | hi all. where should I set the who system's locale? |
| 18:23.23 | StyXman | whole* |
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| 18:23.37 | JordiGH | StyXman: Welcome to locale hell. |
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| 18:24.36 | enouf | militant: for ex wodim -scanbus |
| 18:24.37 | pokoko | need beer in #ubuntu |
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| 18:24.40 | pokoko | heh |
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| 18:25.00 | streuner | !beer pokoko |
| 18:25.25 | pokoko | streuner, ;) |
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| 18:25.37 | StyXman | JoshH: heeh, I've been living here since ages |
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| 18:26.13 | enouf | !tell StyXman about locales |
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| 18:26.24 | enouf | !tell StyXman about console-data |
| 18:26.32 | enouf | !tell StyXman about keymap |
| 18:26.45 | StyXman | enouf: keymap is ok |
| 18:26.56 | StyXman | I'm ssh'ing into the server |
| 18:27.00 | jbrouhard | Okay.. need help guys. |
| 18:27.01 | enouf | StyXman: for X ? |
| 18:27.08 | dvs | really? |
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| 18:27.19 | magyar | need help. My mouse is not working in qemu nor kvm on sid |
| 18:27.19 | jbrouhard | I have a Core2Duo motherboard with onboard NIC. the NIC was picked up during the Etch Install, but it no longer works on the finished install |
| 18:27.21 | enouf | jbrouhard: you're finally ready? |
| 18:27.22 | StyXman | enouf: no X |
| 18:27.43 | sprink | just curious if there's something wrong with my etch install or not. Has there been any updates since the release? |
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| 18:28.07 | jbrouhard | enouf: just got around to installing etch on the desktop |
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| 18:28.12 | jbrouhard | kinda dualbooting here :) |
| 18:28.14 | dvs | jbrouhard: does "ifconfig" say anything? |
| 18:28.17 | jbrouhard | Nope |
| 18:28.26 | jbrouhard | even tried lspci | grep Ethernet and got a blank |
| 18:28.34 | enouf | try /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 18:28.46 | enouf | try grep -i eth |
| 18:28.55 | dvs | try anyting |
| 18:29.00 | enouf | TRY! |
| 18:29.08 | enouf | !think |
| 18:29.09 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 18:29.33 | jbrouhard | ifconfig only shows the loopback :( |
| 18:29.41 | jbrouhard | i'm wondering if there's a missing module |
| 18:29.52 | sprink | Has there been any updates in etch after the release? |
| 18:29.53 | StyXman | my /etc/environment is like this: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/6303 |
| 18:29.54 | brent | wait a sec, glibc-2.5 *is* available in sid! Yay my fluendo codecs work now!! :D |
| 18:30.09 | StyXman | but when I ssh into the server, I get LANG=C |
| 18:30.14 | StyXman | hmm |
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| 18:31.01 | dvs | sprink: I think there have been some security updates |
| 18:31.02 | posek | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592056 - IRCOP HACK |
| 18:31.04 | brent | StyXman: I'm having the same locale issues if it's any consolation, but X works fine for me |
| 18:31.04 | jbrouhard | I'm going to re-do my Etch install |
| 18:31.06 | posek | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592056 - IRCOP HACK |
| 18:31.10 | posek | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592056 - IRCOP HACK |
| 18:31.14 | posek | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592056 - IRCOP HACK |
| 18:31.16 | xand | !ops posek spam |
| 18:31.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: posek spam |
| 18:31.17 | StyXman | and en_US.UTF-8 is checked in the locales debconf screen |
| 18:31.18 | posek | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592056 - IRCOP HACK |
| 18:31.22 | Anders | :) |
| 18:31.22 | posek | http://lads.lathost.lv/go.php?1139592056 - IRCOP HACK |
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| 18:31.29 | StyXman | wtf? |
| 18:31.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@62.84.12.224] by mentor |
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| 18:31.33 | enouf | !tardsday |
| 18:31.34 | dpkg | i guess tardsday is sunday |
| 18:31.35 | jbrouhard | and check to see what modules are loading and what isn't. |
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| 18:32.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | nalioth |
| 18:32.02 | enouf | jbrouhard: did it work during installation? |
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| 18:32.09 | StyXman | brent: it's a server. it doesn't hae X |
| 18:32.11 | StyXman | have* |
| 18:32.11 | jbrouhard | enouf: yes |
| 18:32.15 | jbrouhard | i'm using a netinstall CD |
| 18:32.15 | Zborg | thanks mentor |
| 18:32.22 | enouf | StyXman: I don't know any more ..:-( |
| 18:32.27 | brent | StyXman: Oh I misread |
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| 18:32.38 | enouf | jbrouhard: and are you done installing? |
| 18:32.48 | jbrouhard | enouf: yes |
| 18:32.48 | StyXman | brent: I think I barely mentioned it |
| 18:32.52 | jbrouhard | gonna re-do the install tho |
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| 18:33.10 | enouf | jbrouhard: okie but not necessary |
| 18:33.15 | jbrouhard | true |
| 18:33.19 | jbrouhard | but I don't like Gnome :) |
| 18:33.22 | RichiH | xand: i klined |
| 18:33.23 | enouf | heh |
| 18:33.29 | xand | RichiH: excellent |
| 18:33.41 | jbrouhard | it's either kde or fluxbox for me <G> |
| 18:33.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | KDE :D |
| 18:33.50 | streuner | mentor: you heard what RichiH said... |
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| 18:34.04 | JordiGH | KDE! |
| 18:34.07 | JordiGH | !kde |
| 18:34.08 | dpkg | i guess kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 18:34.10 | dvs | !jbrouhard++ |
| 18:34.11 | jbrouhard | huh |
| 18:34.12 | jbrouhard | odd |
| 18:34.13 | StyXman | also en_US.UTF-8 is the default encoding |
| 18:34.16 | jbrouhard | NOW it doesn't pick it up... |
| 18:34.22 | jbrouhard | I'm like what the f*ck ? |
| 18:34.25 | JordiGH | Not a window manager? What's kwin, then? |
| 18:34.46 | enouf | !tell jbrouhard about interfaces |
| 18:34.49 | streuner | !listvals kwin |
| 18:34.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kwin' by value (6): kwin-icewm ;; quartz ;; khawkwind ;; startkde - in kde 3.1 - ;; deskwin ;; kwm. |
| 18:35.04 | jbrouhard | it's not the interfaces |
| 18:35.08 | mentor | ... |
| 18:35.10 | jbrouhard | it's not picking up the NIc, period |
| 18:35.16 | enouf | !tell jbrouhard about udev rules |
| 18:35.17 | jbrouhard | it won't detect it in the installer now... |
| 18:35.26 | jbrouhard | Which probably tells me my Cable or NIC is turned off. |
| 18:35.27 | xored | someone here who has some experience in VPN-Client development or something in that direction, i would like to state some few questions |
| 18:35.34 | jbrouhard | had this happen before.. |
| 18:35.39 | enouf | not good |
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| 18:36.03 | JordiGH | How can I tell if I'm sending UTF-8 or what not? áéÃóú à èìòù ç âêîôû |
| 18:36.18 | enouf | heh |
| 18:36.27 | enouf | what a mess JordiGH :-P |
| 18:36.41 | JordiGH | enouf: A one-byte mess or a two-byte mess? |
| 18:36.57 | enouf | actually looks fine here on ascii on;ly ;-) |
| 18:37.09 | wols_ | !tell xored about ask |
| 18:37.14 | enouf | erm iso-8859-1 ? |
| 18:37.35 | JordiGH | enouf: Drat. I thought I was already a part of the utf-8 new world order. |
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| 18:37.49 | enouf | áéÃóú |
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| 18:38.14 | dvs | flaming vowels! |
| 18:38.20 | enouf | w00h00 |
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| 18:38.55 | JordiGH | ńñ |
| 18:39.05 | JordiGH | What language puts accents on n? |
| 18:39.13 | StyXman | JordiGH: ? |
| 18:39.14 | JordiGH | śŕ |
| 18:39.18 | JordiGH | Or on r or s? |
| 18:39.21 | dvs | JordiGH: spanish |
| 18:39.22 | Eclipser | JordiGH, spanish? |
| 18:39.24 | StyXman | ? |
| 18:39.28 | JordiGH | dvs: Spanish uses ñ. Not ń. |
| 18:39.52 | dvs | oh? |
| 18:39.52 | StyXman | take ant slovenian language |
| 18:39.52 | StyXman | JordiGH: we have n |
| 18:39.53 | StyXman | any* |
| 18:40.17 | JordiGH | StyXman: Interesting. I never know which Slavic languages use Cyrillic and which don't. Some use both. ;-) |
| 18:40.40 | JordiGH | So! Å„ isn't ISO-88591 anymore is it? Am I on the UTF side already? |
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| 18:41.17 | StyXman | JordiGH: I see a simple "n" there |
| 18:41.38 | JordiGH | StyXman: Heh, I don't. I see an with an acute accent (French terminology). |
| 18:41.39 | StyXman | JordiGH: yeah, right, I meant that, slavic |
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| 18:42.35 | JordiGH | Isn't Unicode supposed to degrade gracefully? If someone doesn't have the means to see an accented character, it becomes an ordinary ASCII character or somesuch? |
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| 18:42.59 | enouf | square boxes ..lol |
| 18:43.08 | kbrooks | JordiGH, the *unicode implementation* in python doesnt, |
| 18:43.16 | brent | does anyone know the name of the package for the cool looking blue wallpaper with the debian logo that shipped with etch's default gnome desktop? |
| 18:43.18 | kbrooks | by default |
| 18:43.21 | enouf | rectangular actually |
| 18:43.25 | xand | JordiGH: no |
| 18:43.30 | JordiGH | kbrooks: Then why am I seeing Å„Å„Å„Å„ but StyXman is seeing nnnn? |
| 18:43.48 | xand | JordiGH: depends entirely on the program |
| 18:43.58 | StyXman | JordiGH: encodings suck |
| 18:44.03 | StyXman | I hate them |
| 18:44.03 | xand | English ftw. |
| 18:44.13 | kbrooks | StyXman, too bad. |
| 18:44.28 | JordiGH | lynx is pretty good at transliterating Cyrillic, btw. It doesn't use any of the transliterations in Wiki, though. ;-) |
| 18:46.00 | JordiGH | brent: packages.debian.org, but I think you're looking for default_blue.jpg which dpkg tells me was installed with kdebase-data. |
| 18:46.09 | StyXman | JordiGH: read the first part of this: http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/unicode |
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| 18:46.16 | brent | JordiGH: thanks :) |
| 18:46.19 | JordiGH | brent: But then again, I'm using KDE... |
| 18:46.31 | brent | i'll see what apt-file tells me |
| 18:47.06 | brent | lol it's kdebase-data |
| 18:47.15 | xand | it's an SVG |
| 18:47.30 | brent | who would've thought that the wallpaper for the default gnome install comes from a kde package? |
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| 18:47.38 | JordiGH | brent: And yes, I like the default Debian wallpaper in etch very much. Much better than the dark ugly tones of the default sarge wallpaper. |
| 18:47.39 | xand | brent: are you sure that's the right one? |
| 18:47.44 | Ozymandias | so my debian laptop appears to be having network trouble. I am trying to ping my gate way, but I am getting the error 192.168.1.11 Destionation Host unreacable... the funny thing it that that is the IP of the LAPTOP that is sendign the ping, not the gateway, any ideas? |
| 18:48.00 | brent | xand: yeah your right, i do remember it being an svg... |
| 18:48.02 | JordiGH | brent: It's probably not the right one. I think I remember the default for KDE and GNOME are different. |
| 18:48.49 | JordiGH | She's googleable. :-) |
| 18:49.14 | Ozymandias | any one have any ideas? route -n appears to be correct |
| 18:49.42 | xand | brent: if you can tell me where the wallpaper setting is stored i can find out where the wallpaper is |
| 18:49.42 | JordiGH | brent: I think the default wallpaper for Gnome had a the word "etch" in it. Grep for the a regex with etch and svg in it. |
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| 18:49.55 | xand | JordiGH: it does, but not apaprently the filename |
| 18:49.57 | lucky_tux | Hi. I've got a problem with sane. After an upgrade to Debian Etch sane dont't works anymore. When I run sane-find-scanners -p the parport scanner Mustek is found. But scanimage or scanimage -L don't work. |
| 18:50.10 | xand | it's called "Debian Etch" in the wallpaper dialog box |
| 18:50.45 | brent | I'm on sid, and it's not here for some reason |
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| 18:50.58 | brent | o well I'll just google it if I don't find the package |
| 18:51.24 | googlah | Anyone who feel to help me out with a kernel compile? if you've just been doing it yourself.. u could help another fellow like me out. Anyone send me a pm? |
| 18:51.28 | lucky_tux | has anyone experiences with parportscanner on Debian Etch? |
| 18:51.30 | JordiGH | Ack. Emacs did indeed give me problems with UTF-8. On quotes, slashes, and backticks. :-( |
| 18:51.44 | JordiGH | !wayc googlah |
| 18:51.45 | dpkg | googlah: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 18:52.12 | googlah | dpkg: umm, is it possible through apt-get? :-) |
| 18:52.12 | dpkg | okay, googlah |
| 18:52.22 | Ozymandias | anyone ever deal with an issue where ping reports that the source IP is unreachable? |
| 18:52.23 | bubazoo | I am a first time debian user here. I am in xfce right now, I ran xrandr to change my display resolution, and it says I only have 640x480 and 320x200 available, in debian, how do I change my monitor type to NEC MultiSync 90, so the higher display modes are available? |
| 18:52.25 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, forget umm |
| 18:52.29 | googlah | I just need a simple start dpkg |
| 18:52.31 | JordiGH | dpkg, forget umm |
| 18:52.31 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'umm' to forget, JordiGH |
| 18:52.36 | JordiGH | dpkg, forget umm, |
| 18:52.36 | dpkg | i forgot umm,, JordiGH |
| 18:52.46 | brent | lol dpkg is the greatest |
| 18:52.50 | brent | he's a great guy |
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| 18:53.12 | dvs | !thx |
| 18:53.12 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 18:53.14 | googlah | he suree are :-) |
| 18:53.23 | bubazoo | normally in centOS, redhat, fedora, its in system-config-display, but debian doesn't have such a program, so how do I do it in debian? |
| 18:53.24 | enouf | lucky_tux: not i, but you might want to look at your udev rules .. also use dlocate libsane | grep mustek |
| 18:53.28 | googlah | !compile |
| 18:53.28 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
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| 18:54.02 | brent | googlah: have you heard of the new oreilly book called "the linux kernel in a nutshell"? |
| 18:54.22 | brent | it's all about compiling the kernel, great for newbies :) |
| 18:54.33 | brent | very clear and easy to understand |
| 18:54.45 | lucky_tux | enouf: sane did work correctly before the upgrade to Etch. But now it didn't works anymore. I havent's changed or overwrode any config files |
| 18:54.47 | dvs | brent: I'd rather learn how to make drivers |
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| 18:54.50 | enouf | lucky_tux: $ man sane-mustek_pp |
| 18:54.55 | JordiGH | On different machiens, no less. |
| 18:54.57 | googlah | brent: nope I haven't. cool, will keep it in mind |
| 18:55.02 | bubazoo | nothinc clear and easy to understand about compiling the kernel I can vouch for that LOL |
| 18:55.06 | xand | brent: package is desktop-base |
| 18:55.11 | enouf | lucky_tux: the upgrade might/will though |
| 18:55.24 | googlah | next time I'm in a book shop I'll look for it brent :-) |
| 18:55.30 | lucky_tux | enouf: already read more than five times |
| 18:55.33 | dvs | JordiGH: I had to because the current debian kernel didn't support my hardware |
| 18:55.42 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.50 | militant | changing my mouse sensitivity/acceleration in gnome isn't diong the job, it's still really sluggish. is there a resolution setting for it or something, in some file? |
| 18:55.55 | brent | xand: THANK YOU |
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| 18:56.04 | liable | militant: xset m |
| 18:56.12 | brent | my desktop was incomplete without my favorite wallpaper |
| 18:56.12 | dvs | JordiGH: that's one reason. Then there were components that it just didn't support |
| 18:56.15 | xand | brent: specifically, desktop-base_4.0.1_all.deb (at least on etch) |
| 18:56.25 | bubazoo | how do I change monitor types in debian etch? so my higher resolutions show up in gnome/xfce/etc |
| 18:56.43 | bubazoo | anyone know? |
| 18:56.44 | JordiGH | dvs: My preferred solution is to buy hardware for the software, not find software for the hardware. ;-) |
| 18:56.44 | brent | ahhh! :D looks just right now |
| 18:56.53 | xand | !tell bubazoo about drxx |
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| 18:56.59 | lucky_tux | should i downgrade sane with apt-pinning? |
| 18:57.46 | lucky_tux | or does anyone know other reasons for the problem? |
| 18:58.04 | liable | erm, apt-pinning isnt meant for downgrading |
| 18:58.07 | ahlfors | Hi all. Any idea why a recent dist-upgrade removed locales? Now lots of apps are complaining. (running unstable) |
| 18:58.10 | brent | bubazoo: do you know how to edit xorg.conf? |
| 18:58.25 | dvs | ahlfors: something's wrong in sid |
| 18:58.35 | militant | liable: xset m yes but ... it wants an acceleration # and threshold. what are baselines to start with here, if you know? |
| 18:58.51 | brent | something's very wrong in sid :D |
| 18:58.54 | ahlfors | dvs, am I screwed then? |
| 18:59.04 | dvs | ahlfors: until they fix it |
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| 18:59.17 | lucky_tux | liable: i mean whether i should install the version which is in the sarge realise |
| 18:59.18 | enouf | lucky_tux: sorry .. I don;t know .. |
| 18:59.19 | liable | militant: i have mine at 8 iirc, but i like mine a bit touchy |
| 18:59.24 | liable | militant: play with it |
| 18:59.27 | JordiGH | They aren't usually kidding when they call it "unstable". ;-) |
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| 18:59.38 | dvs | JordiGH: that's why I never use it. |
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| 18:59.51 | militant | liable: none of the numbers i'm throwing at it are having any affect |
| 18:59.53 | ahlfors | Yeah, I know, have been running unstable since 2001 |
| 19:00.09 | enouf | lucky_tux: is your parallel port online? .. module(s) loaded |
| 19:00.11 | enouf | ? |
| 19:00.20 | ahlfors | Can I just grab a glibc-2.5-1 somewhere? |
| 19:00.29 | lucky_tux | enouf: which are the relevant modules? |
| 19:00.36 | xand | ahlfors: then you should know how to fix it by now ;P |
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| 19:00.42 | brent | ahlfors: I'm using glibc-2.5-1 in sid right now |
| 19:00.44 | enouf | lucky_tux: you got me <shrugs> |
| 19:00.58 | ahlfors | xand, that's not very nice |
| 19:01.00 | enouf | lucky_tux: lp ? |
| 19:01.01 | JordiGH | Meh. Still having UTF-8 problems in Emacs. |
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| 19:01.30 | lucky_tux | enouf: yes i thing all modules are loudes when i run cat /proc/modules |
| 19:01.32 | dvs | JordiGH: maybe you have to change something in /etc/environment |
| 19:01.32 | jelly-home | !info fuzzyocr3 sid |
| 19:01.44 | JordiGH | dvs: You reckon? |
| 19:01.46 | bubazoo | brent: no, I can edit xorg.conf, but I don't know what all those values mean |
| 19:01.53 | enouf | lucky_tux: $ grep -ir lpd /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:01.57 | JordiGH | main.cpp:122: error: ‘tujefa’ was not declared in this scope |
| 19:02.00 | brent | bubazoo: ok I can help you if you want |
| 19:02.01 | jelly-home | !info fuzzyocr3 experimental |
| 19:02.04 | bubazoo | says "xserver org not installed" |
| 19:02.05 | dpkg | fuzzyocr3: (spamassassin plugin to check image attachments), section mail, is extra. Version: 3.5.1-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 129 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 19:02.08 | brent | bubazoo: what resolution do you want? |
| 19:02.14 | JordiGH | Hm. At least Konsole and Xchat seem to be able to communicate with each other. |
| 19:02.25 | lucky_tux | enoug: and remember sane-find-scanners -p: found possible Mustek parallel port scanner at "parport0" |
| 19:02.49 | ahlfors | brent, where did it come from? glibc-2.5-1 appears "unavailable" in aptitude atm |
| 19:02.50 | enouf | lucky_tux: /etc/init.d/lpd restart <--try that maybe .. |
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| 19:03.08 | bubazoo | I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it says "xserver-org not installed" so I tried to apt-get for it, and it says its not found |
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| 19:03.28 | brent | ahlfors: I have no idea at all. I just dist-upgraded from a basic etch net-inst and all of a sudden glibc-2.5 is installed on my system. total mystery to me. |
| 19:03.34 | bubazoo | brent: 1024x768. |
| 19:03.36 | enouf | lucky_tux: any dmesg errors? like dmesg | tail output? |
| 19:03.39 | JordiGH | bubazoo: xserver-xorg |
| 19:03.40 | lucky_tux | enouf: didn't works |
| 19:03.43 | liable | militant: really? |
| 19:03.50 | brent | bubazoo: it's xserver-xorg |
| 19:03.57 | militant | liable: yep. high numbers, low numbers, none of it does anything |
| 19:03.59 | bubazoo | JordiGH I tried xserver-org says it wasn't installed |
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| 19:04.00 | brent | bubazoo: not xserver-org |
| 19:04.02 | googlah | just a simple question. if I compile my 2.4 kernel to 2.6, will the previous installed apps like apache2, glftpd and such, work as usual? they won't be affected will they? |
| 19:04.04 | xand | bubazoo: you missed the second x |
| 19:04.10 | xand | it's xserver-xorg |
| 19:04.15 | JordiGH | bubazoo: xserver-Xorg. |
| 19:04.15 | lucky_tux | ppdev0: registered pardevice |
| 19:04.15 | lucky_tux | ppdev0: unregistered pardevice |
| 19:04.15 | lucky_tux | ppdev0: registered pardevice |
| 19:04.16 | lucky_tux | ppdev0: negotiated back to compatibility mode because user-space forgot |
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| 19:04.17 | JordiGH | bubazoo: xorg. |
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| 19:04.22 | liable | militant: hrm |
| 19:04.27 | enouf | !spank lucky_tux |
| 19:04.36 | dimir | Auto-rejoin! |
| 19:04.41 | googlah | help me dpkg |
| 19:04.48 | googlah | => |
| 19:04.50 | JordiGH | !beer googlah |
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| 19:04.58 | JordiGH | Beer helps everyone. |
| 19:04.59 | militant | it's a synaptics touchpad. my xorg.conf lists an ImPS/2 and the touchpad both (though i don't have a mouse hooked up externally) |
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| 19:05.01 | xand | googlah: your question makes no sense |
| 19:05.01 | googlah | Mmmm. |
| 19:05.05 | lucky_tux | sry for pasting so much. i hope it wasn't too much |
| 19:05.16 | xand | lucky_tux: it was |
| 19:05.25 | xand | or you wouldn't have been kicked |
| 19:05.25 | dimir | googlah: shouldn't affect. |
| 19:05.45 | dimir | No shit? |
| 19:05.47 | JordiGH | Looks like I'm ready for the two-byte revolution. |
| 19:05.48 | dimir | That easy? |
| 19:05.49 | markybob | not using emacs would've been a better solution |
| 19:05.59 | brent | markybob: lol |
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| 19:06.08 | enouf | lucky_tux: anything over 1 line is too much |
| 19:06.13 | googlah | xand, sry for that, english is not my native language. but anyway. thought of upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 (sarge). will every app work after the upgrade or do I need to apt-get them all again? |
| 19:06.33 | markybob | !2.4->2.6 |
| 19:06.33 | lucky_tux | enouf: ok. sorry i am not so oftern in an irc channel :) |
| 19:06.34 | dpkg | i guess 2.4->2.6 is ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel><etch upgrade kernel> |
| 19:06.35 | brent | googlah: anything with a kernel module will break |
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| 19:06.52 | lucky_tux | enouf: well what does the messages from dmesg mean |
| 19:06.53 | lucky_tux | =? |
| 19:07.10 | ahlfors | where do I get glibc-2.5-1? |
| 19:07.13 | bubazoo | ok, now its prompting me for an x=server driver. where's NVIDIA? |
| 19:07.23 | googlah | brent, and what do you mean by that? =) |
| 19:07.25 | JordiGH | bubazoo: Do you want the free driver of the blob? |
| 19:07.31 | googlah | anything important to know? |
| 19:07.42 | JordiGH | bubazoo: The free driver is nv. If you want flashy 3d support, you'll need the nvidia blob. |
| 19:07.47 | enouf | lucky_tux: not much afaict .. again though, i'm guessing .. |
| 19:08.05 | bubazoo | JordiGH: nv is fine thanks |
| 19:08.07 | dimir | googlah: in general, apps don't care what kernel do you have unless they are using specific features. Apache desn't care about your kernel version |
| 19:08.11 | enouf | lucky_tux: what's you command that's failing? |
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| 19:08.21 | enouf | scanimage? |
| 19:08.40 | lucky_tux | enouf: yes scanimage and scanimage -L |
| 19:08.53 | lucky_tux | enouf: but sane-find-scanners work |
| 19:08.55 | googlah | dimir, cool, just what I wanted to know, THANKS! and what about MySQL and glftpd, will they work? |
| 19:08.55 | enouf | lucky_tux: what pkg is that from? and what are the exact errors? |
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| 19:09.17 | lucky_tux | enouf: i thing you are right its a problem with the module |
| 19:09.24 | xand | googlah: yes |
| 19:09.31 | dimir | googlah: ye |
| 19:10.00 | lucky_tux | enouf: well scanimage work and work for hours but didn't show me any output |
| 19:10.12 | bubazoo | I don't know the video card's BUS identifier sheesh, isn't there an easier way? |
| 19:10.18 | lucky_tux | how doues i show you the messages from dmesg |
| 19:10.33 | enouf | bubazoo: leave it blank |
| 19:10.48 | peterS | bubazoo: that question is rarely important, only if you have multiple video cards of the same type in your system |
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| 19:11.17 | markybob | bubazoo: of course you'd know that if you read the install manual... |
| 19:11.20 | bubazoo | "amount of memory to be used by the video card" sheesh |
| 19:11.29 | liable | balnk |
| 19:11.36 | liable | baaah |
| 19:11.40 | liable | blank* |
| 19:11.41 | dvs | blank? |
| 19:11.53 | enouf | nlabk? |
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| 19:12.08 | bubazoo | markybob: I'm not about to read the ENTIRE manual for that reason, its too long |
| 19:12.08 | JordiGH | bubazoo: You don't need to put anything in there. Just hit enter. |
| 19:12.16 | p0g0 | liable: what are you trying to say Lassie...Speak! |
| 19:12.25 | liable | ruff! |
| 19:12.28 | markybob | !tell bubazoo about guidelines |
| 19:12.53 | bubazoo | this is rediculous, all I'm trying to do is set my monitor type |
| 19:13.04 | JordiGH | bubazoo: X usually can get by just knowing the video driver you want. The driver has been able to auto-detect everything for me every time I use it. |
| 19:13.37 | JordiGH | bubazoo: Monitor geometry can alter the size of fonts in X. The simple method should be enough. |
| 19:13.47 | bubazoo | not with this monitor, thats why I always have to set it normally |
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| 19:14.14 | JordiGH | bubazoo: You could manually edit xorg.conf later. Just put in whatever values for monitor geometry until you find a ruler. ;-) |
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| 19:14.18 | bubazoo | but the video card driver was already detected during the installation, its the monitor type thats the problem |
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| 19:14.30 | enouf | ytpe? |
| 19:14.35 | liable | modes |
| 19:14.39 | enouf | !hwinfo |
| 19:14.39 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 19:15.11 | bubazoo | "use kernel framebuffer device interface"?? |
| 19:15.16 | dvs | NO |
| 19:15.18 | bubazoo | I don't even know what that is LOL |
| 19:15.23 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 19:15.23 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 19:15.36 | brent | OK I have a very very stupid question. How do I kill X? I used to be able to ctrl-alt-backspace, but now that restarts X. Also, telinit 2 just does nothing for some reason. How do you guys kill X to install the Nvidia driver from nvidia's site? |
| 19:15.38 | JordiGH | enouf: Y'know those Barbies were real? |
| 19:15.55 | brent | killing X use to be easier :) |
| 19:15.59 | JordiGH | brent: I thought installing from Nvidia's site usually breaks it. |
| 19:15.59 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.00 | cahoot | brent: stop *dm |
| 19:16.06 | Gnurdux | brentL: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:16.10 | Gnurdux | but |
| 19:16.11 | liable | brent: telinit 2 gets you back where you are, you want telinit 1 |
| 19:16.11 | wols_ | brent: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm stop) |
| 19:16.14 | brent | ahhh I'll try that |
| 19:16.15 | wols_ | depdning what you run |
| 19:16.17 | JordiGH | brent: And ctrl+alt+backspace DOES kill X... it just also happens to restart it immediately. |
| 19:16.18 | enouf | JordiGH: they better be .. spending all my hard earned cash like that! |
| 19:16.18 | brent | duh! :D |
| 19:16.24 | bubazoo | sheesh, enough of this! I'm going back to fedora, debian sucks |
| 19:16.29 | brent | JordiGH: you know what I mean :) |
| 19:16.32 | markybob | good. see ya |
| 19:16.38 | brent | ok bye! |
| 19:16.46 | JordiGH | brent: If you want to oh, never mind... |
| 19:16.58 | Gnurdux | now its all our fault when the nvidia site pwns his install |
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| 19:17.24 | Gnurdux | CharminTheMoose, sounds like a bug in checkinstall |
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| 19:17.48 | JordiGH | bubazoo: It doesn't reallly matter that much what answer you give to each of those questions. The defaults usually work fine. |
| 19:17.56 | h3sp4wn | CharminTheMoose: Try using cdbs instead (almost as easy and the end result is alot better) |
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| 19:18.05 | CharminTheMoose | well Gnurdux, it worked fine a week ago back in sarge... perhaps it's a problem which etch/make |
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| 19:18.51 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: been messing with your gcc versions again? |
| 19:19.20 | h3sp4wn | !info checkinstall etch |
| 19:19.28 | CharminTheMoose | nay enouf, gcc is good old 4.1.2 |
| 19:19.41 | h3sp4wn | doesn't exist - must have been removed because its broken |
| 19:19.50 | h3sp4wn | its in sid though |
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| 19:20.01 | markybob | ccheckinstall is only in testing and unstable |
| 19:20.25 | liable | eh? |
| 19:20.31 | enouf | !lenny |
| 19:20.31 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. |
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| 19:20.52 | phretor | has gtk2-theme-switch discontinued? |
| 19:20.58 | phretor | (been) |
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| 19:21.11 | liable | markybob: wasnt it in sarge? rc bugs? |
| 19:21.11 | ahlfors | Is glibc-2.5-1 just a virtual package? |
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| 19:21.19 | JordiGH | Have we gone into any of the characters form the Toy Story sequels? Like Jessie the cowgirl? |
| 19:21.29 | liable | !moo |
| 19:21.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:21.29 | dvs | JordiGH: not yet |
| 19:21.33 | markybob | liable: it was in sarge. i dont consider oldstable when i say what things are in, though :) i'm not sure why it got pulled |
| 19:21.53 | JordiGH | dvs: Can't hardly wait. ;-) |
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| 19:22.16 | liable | markybob: yeah, thats what i meant, it was in sarge, missing from etch, must have been nasty bugs i guess |
| 19:22.29 | JordiGH | I almost wanted to ask my girlfriend to buy me a Toy Story action figure for my birthday just for the Debian connection. |
| 19:22.38 | phretor | I'm not able to change GTK2 fonts through .gtkrc nor .gtkrc-2.0: any idea/suggestion? |
| 19:22.45 | dvs | JordiGH: like a barbie? ;-) |
| 19:22.51 | JordiGH | dvs: Buzz! |
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| 19:23.00 | dvs | Rex! |
| 19:23.03 | markybob | phretor: you use gnome? |
| 19:23.03 | Coweater | phretor: it's in the gtk-theme-switch package with the 1.x tool |
| 19:23.39 | rcbarnes | Okay. I have to make a confession: I am switching from Gentoo. Now, how so I set default make options like Gentoo's /etc/make.conf (cflags, ccache, etc)? |
| 19:24.10 | markybob | !make.conf |
| 19:24.10 | dpkg | somebody said make.conf was a file that Gentoo and FreeBSD use to let you break your system in new and exciting ways by experimenting with untested gcc optimization flags when you build nonessential things like kernels and C libraries. NO, Debian does NOT have one of these. Ask me about <debian kernel image> and <source>. |
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| 19:24.38 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 19:24.42 | peterS | rcbarnes: basically, you don't. you can look at the 'pentium-builder' package, but for the most part we have realised that compile flags that the maintainer didn't think were best are not going to be at all noticeable. in other words, we accept that maintainers are at least as smart as we are in terms of build options that actually make sense. |
| 19:25.02 | CharminTheMoose | pfft, cdbs-edit-patch complains dh_testdir: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory |
| 19:25.30 | peterS | rcbarnes: certain packages like libc6, openssl, and the kernel are built for multiple CPU types, because you might actually be able to tell a difference. the rest of the system, you pretty much won't. so we don't think it's worth supporting make.conf and such |
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| 19:25.53 | gravity | cdbs deserves curses |
| 19:25.59 | rcbarnes | peterS: I see. How is it a bad idea to target my processor (especially if I'm using something like a 64-bit Opteron), though? and ccache is pretty much bulletproof, etc |
| 19:26.15 | CharminTheMoose | heh yeah, why is cdbs such a bitch? |
| 19:26.21 | phretor | Coweater: no, I don't use GNOME: I've tried gtk-theme-switch but it only affects GTK1.x stuff |
| 19:26.22 | peterS | rcbarnes: if you're using a 64-bit processor, install the amd64 flavor of debian . |
| 19:26.28 | rcbarnes | peterS: I did |
| 19:26.33 | phretor | Coweater: that is, aMule is not affected. |
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| 19:26.35 | Coweater | phretor: you're running switch, run switch2 |
| 19:26.48 | Coweater | they're in the same package though |
| 19:26.48 | ahlfors | Seriously, where the heck can I get glibc-2.5-1? |
| 19:26.56 | peterS | rcbarnes: so then we've already targeted your processor. trying to be more specific than "64-bit mode" honestly doesn't buy you much. really. |
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| 19:27.11 | rcbarnes | peterS: I actually used -Os to reduce binary size (which made a noticable difference in load times) a lot. |
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| 19:27.40 | rcbarnes | but I see why this philosophy is used. |
| 19:27.43 | peterS | rcbarnes: if you think that's good for your machine, it will probably be good for everyone else's machine, yes? in which case, suggest that the debian maintainers use that flag all the time. |
| 19:28.08 | rcbarnes | I'm open-minded. If the debian way is no custom cflags, etc. I'll give it a shot. |
| 19:28.22 | JordiGH | rcbarnes: What are you doing? The biggest difference in binary size is probably in stripping symbols, and Debian policy already dictates that binaries are shipped with symbols stripped. Optimisation flags have a smaller effect on binary size. |
| 19:28.23 | JordiGH | Also, |
| 19:28.26 | JordiGH | !global warming |
| 19:28.32 | JordiGH | !green Debian |
| 19:28.46 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 19:28.46 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:28.47 | rcbarnes | I'm not trying to make this a Gentoo box---if I wanted Gentoo, I'd still be using it. :-P |
| 19:28.54 | peterS | JordiGH: well, stripping a binary won't make any difference in load time, only disk space. since the debug information isn't loaded unless the debugger needs it |
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| 19:30.22 | JordiGH | peterS: True... I did manage once to convice a maintainer to change the optimisation flags, btw. Hehehe, #398628 |
| 19:30.43 | runa | hi i wanted to use docker on gnome but it does not seem working |
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| 19:31.14 | JordiGH | runa: What do you mean by docker? Something besides a taskbak and a system tray? |
| 19:31.19 | JordiGH | !info kxdocker |
| 19:31.22 | dpkg | kxdocker: (innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.35-2.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 568 kB |
| 19:31.26 | runa | yes |
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| 19:31.34 | JordiGH | runa: Then use KDE. :-) |
| 19:31.48 | rcbarnes | JordiGH, peterS: Okay, I understand. Like I said, I'll give the most "Debian" way a try. |
| 19:31.56 | phretor | Coweater: thanks |
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| 19:32.14 | rcbarnes | !source |
| 19:32.15 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 19:32.27 | JordiGH | !tell rcbarnes about message the bot. |
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| 19:32.55 | gg_hp57 | i installed the nvidia driver last night, today it seems that my box freezes randomly no matter what im doing. any ideas? |
| 19:33.09 | rcbarnes | :-/ |
| 19:33.10 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: tell me about source |
| 19:33.11 | JordiGH | gg_hp57: Lobby nvidia to give system specs. |
| 19:33.25 | JordiGH | rcbarnes: No need to apologise. Think of it more as a friendly reminder than a scolding. ;-) |
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| 19:33.37 | gg_hp57 | i can still move the mouse, but if i click on something, nothing happens |
| 19:33.42 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: tell me about source |
| 19:33.43 | hackmiester[LT] | again |
| 19:33.51 | JordiGH | hackmiester[LT]: Just do "/msg dpkg source" |
| 19:33.53 | xand | yeah #gentoo is a strict channel |
| 19:33.55 | peterS | rcbarnes: note, once you get past compile flags to other USE flags: certain packages in debian have been built for multiple versions. for example there are several vim-* and emacs21-* packages compiled in different ways. that is our equivalent to USE flags like "should things include KDE support or GNOME support or...." if the maintainer thought the distinction would matter to a lot of users, he provides multiple ... |
| 19:33.57 | wols_ | hackmiester[LT]: please stop that idiocy |
| 19:34.01 | hackmiester[LT] | I can't send it messages apparently, JordiGH |
| 19:34.01 | peterS | ... binary packages. if not, he doesn't. |
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| 19:34.15 | wols_ | hackmiester[LT]: identify yourself to services (nickserv) |
| 19:34.16 | JordiGH | hackmiester[LT]: Register your nickname with Freenode. |
| 19:34.27 | hackmiester[LT] | it is, wols_ and JordiGH |
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| 19:34.36 | gg_hp57 | JordiGH: how? |
| 19:34.42 | wols_ | hackmiester[LT]: then you can msg anyone. period |
| 19:34.47 | wols_ | hackmiester[LT]: msg me please |
| 19:34.53 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg just hates me then? |
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| 19:35.03 | JordiGH | gg_hp57: Nvidia's blob breaks, surprise. It's not our fault, it's not even our problem. Use the free driver or lobby nvidia to provide free drivers. |
| 19:35.04 | agent | How does one get around the minipci wifi card frequency lockin when traveling, besides hacking the driver/firmware and buying multiple cards? |
| 19:35.07 | sewi | hello, where to put an .info file to be visible for emacs? |
| 19:35.12 | wols_ | hackmiester[LT]: we all hate you, but i promise you to not show it when you msg me now |
| 19:35.13 | hackmiester[LT] | wols_: I'm worried it is my client. did you get that message? |
| 19:35.16 | xand | dpkg borke! |
| 19:35.20 | wols_ | hackmiester[LT]: no I don't. |
| 19:35.27 | hackmiester[LT] | argh |
| 19:35.29 | wols_ | so yes, probably your client |
| 19:35.32 | xand | hackmiester[LT]: what client? |
| 19:35.32 | wols_ | !irssi |
| 19:35.32 | hackmiester[LT] | must be X-Chat, I'll have to tinker a bit |
| 19:35.33 | JordiGH | dpkg quit due to excess flood. |
| 19:35.38 | xand | apt-get install irssi :D |
| 19:35.45 | wols_ | xand: irssi-text? |
| 19:35.55 | xand | wols_: no, that's the old name |
| 19:35.59 | peterS | wols_: there is no irssi-text. now that etch is released, the name is irssi again. |
| 19:36.05 | hackmiester[LT] | naah I like X-Chat, I've just written a script that apparently b0rked that. |
| 19:36.10 | xand | irssi-text - irssi dummy transition package |
| 19:36.22 | gg_hp57 | JordiGH: i installed the nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel and did install w/ module assistant, edited xorg |
| 19:36.29 | hackmiester[LT] | anyway be back in a bit |
| 19:36.59 | JordiGH | gg_hp57: It's still not our problem. You installed non-free drivers which Debian distributes but doesn't even officially support. |
| 19:37.16 | JordiGH | The non-free repos are a concession to users, but they're not officially part of Debian. |
| 19:37.26 | wols_ | gg_hp57: even if we wanted, we can't debug those nvidia things: no source |
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| 19:37.43 | wols_ | gg_hp57: so you have to reproduce your problem without nvidia drivers loaded |
| 19:37.55 | gg_hp57 | the free drivers are 'nv' correct? |
| 19:37.59 | JordiGH | Correct. |
| 19:38.02 | wols_ | yes. but no 3D |
| 19:38.10 | gg_hp57 | damn |
| 19:38.27 | peterS | maybe someday the nouveau driver will mature and we'll have a better nvidia driver that might even include some 3d functionality |
| 19:38.36 | JordiGH | peterS: Hopefully! |
| 19:38.48 | Sweetandy | Will upgrading to Lenny make my system unbootable? |
| 19:39.04 | gg_hp57 | this sucks. i spent the better part of any hour installed the drivers, and this morning, it freezes |
| 19:39.19 | JordiGH | Sweetandy: It might. |
| 19:39.25 | bzed | gg_hp57: which card? |
| 19:39.29 | peterS | Sweetandy: you never know. I'd guess it would not, but testing doesn't have any of the same guarantees we try to provide for stable. |
| 19:39.34 | JordiGH | Sweetandy: Lenny has no guarantees. Only etch does. |
| 19:39.56 | gg_hp57 | bzed: geforce 4 mx 420 (pci) |
| 19:40.02 | wols_ | peterS: nouveau driver? |
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| 19:40.15 | bzed | !tell gg_hp57 about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:40.24 | peterS | wols_: nouveau is the name of a new nv driver being worked on now |
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| 19:40.31 | wols_ | neato |
| 19:40.34 | bzed | gg_hp57: and use nvidia while reconfiguring |
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| 19:40.39 | wols_ | kinda like "ati"? |
| 19:40.40 | JordiGH | wols_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_%28graphics%29 |
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| 19:41.04 | makhan | I have to install a package on ARM but dpkg -i command doesn't work there |
| 19:41.07 | gg_hp57 | nouveau driver only for lenny? |
| 19:41.19 | peterS | it's not in lenny either |
| 19:41.20 | dobby | hy is there a possibility to monitor an msa1000 smart array on a debia system ? for example tha I get anerror when a disk crashs? |
| 19:41.30 | bzed | gg_hp57: does the one in etch not work? |
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| 19:41.50 | jair | hello guys |
| 19:41.53 | makhan | any body? |
| 19:42.10 | gg_hp57 | bzed: according to JordiGH the nvidia blob breaks using the non-free driver |
| 19:42.14 | bzed | makhan: if you ahve a debian installed on your arm machine, dpkg will work |
| 19:42.17 | wols_ | makhan: how do you install packages then? |
| 19:42.20 | JordiGH | So I was hearing in slashdot some time ago some scary things about Gnome development.. halted, stalled, abandoned... real or malarkey? |
| 19:42.26 | gg_hp57 | bzed: can't use the nv driver b/c of no 3d support |
| 19:42.30 | JordiGH | The nvidia-blob is the non-free driver. |
| 19:42.30 | jair | I am trying to add my linux debian machine to a windows network, but for some reason when i try to check on the dns records the machine does not show up |
| 19:42.35 | wols_ | JordiGH: it's slashdot. what do you think? |
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| 19:42.48 | bzed | gg_hp57: no, otherwise round: the nvdia blods break your system on the long run |
| 19:42.54 | Thorrn4 | hello, I was wonderin, what is the debian package for flash? |
| 19:42.58 | JordiGH | wols_: Don't know. I'm actually kind of a newbie on slashdot. Is that kind of talk frequent there? |
| 19:43.06 | streuner | Thorrn4: depends |
| 19:43.10 | bzed | gg_hp57: use the packaged driver from non-free instead. and select nvidia, NOT nv |
| 19:43.20 | JordiGH | Thorrn4: There are a number of packages for different uses and ideologies. ;-) |
| 19:43.22 | streuner | Thorrn4: just search via apt-get search flash |
| 19:43.25 | wols_ | JordiGH: it's a rumour mill. I doubt gnome goes anywhere but into 3 (one day) |
| 19:43.38 | gg_hp57 | bzed: where exactly? |
| 19:43.46 | bzed | !tell Thorrn4 about debian-multimedia |
| 19:43.49 | wols_ | Thorrn4: most likely in non-free |
| 19:43.58 | makhan | wol: this is an embedded system running a stripped down linux kernel and this is the first time i am installing any packages |
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| 19:44.03 | bzed | Thorrn4: probably in non-free, too. not sure, though |
| 19:44.08 | streuner | oh, a second echo :-) |
| 19:44.14 | bzed | !ping |
| 19:44.16 | wols_ | makhan: how do you know it's a debian system? |
| 19:44.21 | jair | If I do nslookup to the name of a windows machine I get all the information |
| 19:44.29 | Thorrn4 | bzed, wgere can I find non-free packages? |
| 19:44.34 | markybob | jair: nslookup sucks. use dig |
| 19:44.37 | xand | Thorrn4: try libflash-mozplugin? |
| 19:44.38 | bzed | !tell Thorrn4 about non-free |
| 19:44.41 | jair | server and address of the win 2003 dns server |
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| 19:44.48 | bzed | ARRGH where's the bot |
| 19:44.54 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 19:44.54 | apt | privet |
| 19:44.55 | wols_ | jair: cause windows comes with an automatcie NetBIOS/DNS translator |
| 19:44.55 | jair | arejay: do you understand my issue |
| 19:45.01 | wols_ | no such thing in linux afaik |
| 19:45.01 | JordiGH | dpkg died (excess flood). :-( |
| 19:45.05 | bzed | Thorrn4: add non-free to each line in /etc/apt-sources.list, and apt-get update |
| 19:45.07 | streuner | bzed: just use apt instead |
| 19:45.14 | streuner | apt, non-free |
| 19:45.17 | apt | non-free is probably always \"evil\". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual \"main\" source to install stuff like navigator, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:45.17 | xand | "!ops dpkg is broken" ;) |
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| 19:45.23 | JordiGH | I think someone broke dpkg with a script asking it too many things at once and Freenode killed dpkg. :-( |
| 19:45.25 | wols_ | xand: they can't do anything |
| 19:45.27 | bzed | %ping |
| 19:45.28 | badgers | pong |
| 19:45.29 | wols_ | dondelelcaro can |
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| 19:45.36 | xand | wols_: he's an op isn't he? :P |
| 19:45.40 | bzed | %non-free |
| 19:45.41 | Assid | heya |
| 19:45.41 | badgers | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or ... |
| 19:45.44 | bzed | there we goo |
| 19:45.48 | wols_ | yes, but only him can do it. no other op |
| 19:45.48 | gg_hp57 | ok so there is another nvidia driver that will use "nvidia" in xorg but is NOT from non-free? |
| 19:45.52 | jair | ols |
| 19:45.57 | wols_ | gg_hp57: no. |
| 19:45.59 | jair | ols_? |
| 19:46.05 | bzed | gg_hp57: no. you USE the driver from non-free |
| 19:46.07 | wols_ | gg_hp57: but there are different versions of the nvidia driver |
| 19:46.09 | Assid | anyone here using qmail ? i upgraded.. and now when i start qmail .. i get the following: svok: relocation error: svok: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 19:46.13 | wols_ | jair: hm? |
| 19:46.15 | bzed | gg_hp57: that's the only serious and the best way to do it. |
| 19:46.17 | jair | ha ok |
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| 19:46.28 | xand | wols_: dpkg sucks if it can't reconnect itslef |
| 19:46.28 | bzed | %milk streuner |
| 19:46.30 | xand | *itself |
| 19:46.35 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:46.50 | stoned | rahul |
| 19:46.51 | jair | wols_: so how can I make the linux machine to be resgistered in the dns? beside change the setting on the "/etc/dhclient" file |
| 19:46.51 | enouf | %fist xand |
| 19:46.52 | wols_ | xand: don't tell me. and DON'T INSULT MIGHTY DPKG! |
| 19:47.00 | xand | oh baby. |
| 19:47.02 | makhan | wol: i don't know, how can i check |
| 19:47.04 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:47.06 | wols_ | jair: register it with your DNS server |
| 19:47.06 | enouf | :-0 |
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| 19:47.16 | gg_hp57 | so im stick with the "nv" driver right? |
| 19:47.17 | HardDisk_WP | how can I force grub to boot a NTLDR (winxp) from a NTFS volume? |
| 19:47.19 | wols_ | %debian vresion |
| 19:47.22 | stoned | stew are you around? |
| 19:47.24 | rahul | yeah |
| 19:47.24 | wols_ | %debian version |
| 19:47.25 | badgers | To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "testing/unstable", ask me about "testing/unstable". |
| 19:47.43 | rahul | %badger |
| 19:47.44 | badgers | rumour has it, badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 19:47.44 | bzed | gg_hp57: no |
| 19:47.45 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: via chainloader +1 |
| 19:47.45 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: chainload it |
| 19:47.52 | rahul | heh, wtf |
| 19:47.58 | rahul | !penixstrike sussudio |
| 19:48.00 | bzed | %tell gg_hp57 about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:48.05 | jair | wols_: it should register automatically?? |
| 19:48.05 | rahul | bah |
| 19:48.09 | wols_ | rahul: stop it please |
| 19:48.13 | xand | %botrape |
| 19:48.13 | badgers | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 19:48.15 | wols_ | jair: no |
| 19:48.17 | rahul | haha |
| 19:48.23 | stoned | rahul hes not picking up, probably driving. |
| 19:48.31 | jair | wols_: how can I make it register then my friend? |
| 19:48.32 | rahul | bah |
| 19:48.46 | wols_ | jair: I am not your friend. and this depends on your DNS server |
| 19:48.50 | gg_hp57 | bzed: sorry, but what is nvidia one-liner exactly? |
| 19:48.55 | makhan | wol: i think this is not the debian system |
| 19:48.57 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 19:49.05 | peterS | stoned: dpkg is on vacation |
| 19:49.05 | wols_ | gg_hp57: a condensed howto for install nvidia drivers |
| 19:49.05 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, wols_: http://paste.debian.net/25691 |
| 19:49.07 | bzed | gg_hp57: read what badgers told you. check your windows |
| 19:49.09 | stoned | oh |
| 19:49.09 | jair | wols_: everybody here is family sorry that you are not :( |
| 19:49.23 | xand | jair: friends != family ;) |
| 19:49.35 | wols_ | jair: you family doesn't consist of seveal million debian users. we are NOT a sect (not totally anyways) |
| 19:49.35 | stoned | http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 19:49.36 | jair | xand: ;P |
| 19:49.36 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 19:49.42 | makhan | %debian version didn't work |
| 19:49.47 | jair | wols_: ok |
| 19:49.53 | stoned | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=nvidia&term=key |
| 19:49.54 | stoned | read this |
| 19:49.58 | wols_ | %doesn't work |
| 19:49.58 | badgers | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:50.04 | bzed | makhan: don't tell the bot about it ;) |
| 19:50.05 | jair | wols_: what do you mean depends on my dns server |
| 19:50.13 | stoned | gg_hp57: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=nvidia&term=key |
| 19:50.23 | wols_ | jair: that you need to enter it into your dns server so that nslookup recognizes it |
| 19:50.24 | jair | wols_: I have a a it department with a DNS server running on windows 2003 |
| 19:50.24 | Assid | anyone know what happened here? symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 19:50.30 | bzed | makhan: if you don't have a debian, you should find out what your box is runnign and go into the right channel |
| 19:50.31 | makhan | bzed:what do u mean? |
| 19:50.33 | xand | jair: ask them/#windows |
| 19:50.33 | jair | wols_: |
| 19:50.39 | Assid | all i did was upgrade from sarge to etch.. and my qmail stopped working |
| 19:50.43 | stoned | gg_hp57: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=nvidia%20one-liner |
| 19:50.47 | stoned | thats the one sorry |
| 19:50.54 | gg_hp57 | bzed: is that non-free? if so, i already installed it. |
| 19:50.56 | jair | xand: I know that dynamic dns is enable |
| 19:51.10 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: looks fine IF, your XPoop is on your 2nd system HDD, and /boot/grub/device.map info is correct |
| 19:51.12 | bzed | stoned: badgers took care of that allready,. thanks ;) |
| 19:51.12 | wols_ | jair: dynamic dns where and how? |
| 19:51.14 | jair | wols_: maybe be is because the dynamic dns? |
| 19:51.17 | stoned | rahul help |
| 19:51.23 | bzed | gg_hp57: did you select nvidia isntead of nv? |
| 19:51.31 | wols_ | jair: wtf is dynamic dns? |
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| 19:51.44 | jair | wols_: on the server it have dynamic dns though if I get an IP address from the network dhcp then i get a name |
| 19:51.49 | bzed | %dyndns |
| 19:51.50 | badgers | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 19:51.53 | jair | wols_: from the windows machine |
| 19:51.59 | wols_ | jair: no it's not. ask windows about "dynamic dns" |
| 19:52.00 | xand | wols_: dhcp clients' names are put into dns automagically |
| 19:52.00 | rahul | stoned: figure out what bus that is |
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| 19:52.08 | rahul | damn it, where are the queens people |
| 19:52.16 | gg_hp57 | bzed: in xorg, im using nvidia but the 'blog breaks' am i confined to use the nv driver? |
| 19:52.22 | xand | (which sort-of works IME) |
| 19:53.08 | wols_ | xand: works where? under what dhcp implementation and put wher exactly? hosts? zonefile? my old sock? |
| 19:53.20 | bzed | gg_hp57: no, the nvidia driver si what you want to use |
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| 19:53.32 | bzed | gg_hp57: and wtf is 'blog breaks' |
| 19:53.34 | rahul | damn it. pandora's being an arse |
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| 19:53.52 | gg_hp57 | bzed: the screen freezes |
| 19:54.00 | wols_ | bzed: he meant blob out of cluelessness |
| 19:54.03 | wols_ | the nvidia blob |
| 19:54.11 | gg_hp57 | woops |
| 19:54.12 | gg_hp57 | :) |
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| 19:54.33 | wols_ | bzed: but then blogs break too by default |
| 19:54.38 | bzed | gg_hp57: the packages from non-free provide the nvidia driver |
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| 19:54.41 | xand | wols_: who cares |
| 19:54.41 | wols_ | usually the sanity of the blogger blogs first of course |
| 19:54.54 | bzed | wols_: especially when they';re runnign WP |
| 19:54.57 | stoned | rahul springfield blvd has a bus stop. block from me. I think I should call the Metro Info and ask them |
| 19:54.59 | wols_ | xand: me. cause this sounds stupid and special case programming at its finest |
| 19:55.03 | wols_ | kinda like MS software |
| 19:55.11 | stoned | 3 hours till the etch release party |
| 19:55.19 | stoned | we need to hurry and figure out where i need to go |
| 19:55.21 | stoned | cuz im lost |
| 19:55.30 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:55.44 | ThePlumber | loves labor lost?! trying to install libxfixes3 but it complains that I dont have x11 common, x11-common conflicts with xfree86-common.... whats the best way around this? |
| 19:55.46 | xand | wols_: works on windows at least ;P |
| 19:55.46 | wols_ | stoned: yo want to go to a party and don't know where it happens? |
| 19:55.47 | rahul | springfield and what? |
| 19:55.58 | JordiGH | stoned: I thought the etch release parties were over already. |
| 19:56.00 | rahul | wols_: no, he doesn't know where he is |
| 19:56.04 | rahul | heh |
| 19:56.04 | JordiGH | stoned: What was the wiki link? |
| 19:56.14 | rahul | but last night kelly and will didn't know where they were going |
| 19:56.25 | wols_ | xand: windows nuses a DNS/NETBIOS translation service. nothing to do with what you meant. no DNS invovled. all NETBIOS and stome stupid client side software |
| 19:56.28 | ThePlumber | kindof hesitant to upgrade/deinstall xfree86 common |
| 19:56.33 | stoned | springfield and 64th/73rd/ springfield is exit 29 off 495 |
| 19:56.40 | xand | wols_: no, it IS dns. |
| 19:56.40 | rahul | they called me from the cab to ask me where exactly the place was and what it was called, haha |
| 19:56.42 | gravity | ThePlumber: If you're on etch, there's nothing in there |
| 19:56.50 | xand | wols_: it puts netbios names into dns |
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| 19:56.53 | ThePlumber | sry runnin SARGE |
| 19:56.53 | makhan | where can i find ipkg? |
| 19:56.55 | wols_ | xand: which server? |
| 19:56.59 | rahul | stoned: 64 or 73? |
| 19:57.02 | xand | windows :P |
| 19:57.03 | stoned | JordiGH dunno |
| 19:57.08 | Assid | err anyone here using qmail on etch |
| 19:57.11 | xand | it's in addition to WINS |
| 19:57.12 | enouf | at an iMart? |
| 19:57.17 | ThePlumber | gravity: not that i have anyting against ETCH, just dont wanna upgrade yet |
| 19:57.18 | ooglaboogla | if one wanted to switch from etch to testing what is the procedure |
| 19:57.19 | streuner | makhan: dpkg? just use apt instead |
| 19:57.20 | wols_ | makhan: probably not in debian. how do you know you run real debian? |
| 19:57.25 | gravity | ThePlumber: Ah, ok |
| 19:57.32 | stoned | I dunno, but this is where debian is gathering |
| 19:57.33 | stoned | http://www.voldenuitbar.com/dir.html |
| 19:57.33 | gravity | And it's Etch or etch. Not ETCH |
| 19:57.36 | stoned | this is the bar |
| 19:57.40 | JordiGH | %sarge->etch |
| 19:57.45 | wols_ | streuner: he talks about ipkg which sounds like something like familiar or other pda distro. NOT debain |
| 19:57.51 | bzed | makhan: which kind of operation system is your box running? |
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| 19:57.58 | ThePlumber | gravity: so trying to install geda but it apparently -needs- the cursor functions of libxfixes |
| 19:58.02 | makhan | wols: i don't think i am not running debian |
| 19:58.03 | Assid | i dont getr it.. why does qmail die on etch.. worked perfect on sarge |
| 19:58.05 | JordiGH | ipkg? Is that an Apple thing? |
| 19:58.07 | stoned | rahul 64 |
| 19:58.07 | streuner | wols_: fine, how about to let me find myself? |
| 19:58.09 | ThePlumber | gravity: so im in this loop |
| 19:58.12 | wols_ | makhan: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 19:58.16 | streuner | wols_: out* |
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| 19:58.22 | bzed | wols_, streuner: opemwrt uses ipkg, but as far as I remember are the openwrt machines all mipsel based |
| 19:58.26 | makhan | it says no such job |
| 19:58.29 | rahul | ARSE |
| 19:58.32 | rahul | damn xpdf |
| 19:58.33 | wols_ | bzed: no. ARM |
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| 19:58.48 | streuner | bzed: openwrt? well, its the wrong channel then |
| 19:58.51 | wols_ | bzed: my router uses mipsel (TI AR7) and also runs linx tho |
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| 19:59.14 | Assid | err can someone help me please? |
| 19:59.26 | bzed | wols_: what I wanted to say is: openwrt uses ipkg, but I doubt makhan is using openwrt |
| 19:59.31 | wols_ | Assid: cause it's shit (pardon my french= |
| 19:59.33 | bzed | streuner: no, i doubt it's openwrt |
| 19:59.37 | wols_ | %qmail |
| 19:59.37 | badgers | it has been said that qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and ... |
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| 19:59.46 | bzed | makhan: what's the output of uname -a |
| 20:00.01 | Assid | wols_: i had it installed.. broke as soon as i upgraded |
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| 20:00.07 | rahul | stoned: that would be the 30 bus |
| 20:00.14 | rahul | 27 as well |
| 20:00.15 | Assid | wols_: and i installed that through lwq |
| 20:00.15 | wols_ | Assid: why not reinstall? recompile it? |
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| 20:00.21 | Assid | doesnt recompile |
| 20:00.23 | markybob | Assid: you'll want to take this opportunity to switch to postfix |
| 20:00.24 | makhan | out is Linux stargate 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2-star #1 Fri Aug 13 12:58:00 PDT 2004 armv5tel unknown |
| 20:00.29 | Assid | ld issues ALL the way! |
| 20:00.30 | peterS | Assid: very few of us use qmail here. life is too short to mess with non-free mail software, when we have so many great free alternatives. |
| 20:00.33 | rahul | stoned: on the LIE? |
| 20:00.35 | wols_ | Assid: then wahtevre lwq is: ask them. not debian software |
| 20:00.46 | Assid | cant change now :( its a running box |
| 20:00.47 | streuner | makhan: in which way is that relevant to Debian? |
| 20:00.54 | markybob | apparently it's a down box |
| 20:00.58 | markybob | so install postfix :) |
| 20:01.01 | JordiGH | A running box? |
| 20:01.05 | wols_ | makhan: it is NOT debian. ask someone else |
| 20:01.13 | JordiGH | Are you under the impression what you need to reboot Debian to install software? |
| 20:01.17 | makhan | ok |
| 20:01.18 | peterS | markybob: not helpful. migrating a config to another mailer is probably harder than figuring out how to recompile the one he has |
| 20:01.18 | Assid | impossible.. tooo many accounts and stuff on it.. entire system built around it |
| 20:01.20 | wols_ | Assid: as markybob said: currently it is not running |
| 20:01.36 | wols_ | Assid: then do what I told you and recompile it |
| 20:01.40 | bzed | makhan: go to http://platformx.sourceforge.net/ and find the right place to ask your questions |
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| 20:01.41 | Assid | ld issues |
| 20:01.47 | wols_ | and preferably use the source deb of qmail |
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| 20:01.59 | Assid | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 20:02.07 | wols_ | Assid: well, if you prefer to run non dbeian software, that is your right, but what can we help you about it? |
| 20:02.33 | Assid | ideally.. help me get it up |
| 20:02.35 | wols_ | cause when you stray away fromt he distro: there be dragons. and you#re expected to have your dragon killing sword ready and be able to use it |
| 20:02.38 | peterS | Assid: the reason qmail is non-free is that djb wants to be able to support it on all platforms and doesn't want us to introduce any platform-specific changes to it. so he got his wish. therefore qmail support problems become a qmail problem rather than a debian problem. |
| 20:02.42 | Assid | cant even compule it |
| 20:03.00 | Assid | im dead |
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| 20:03.02 | peterS | Assid: they don't want us to support the software, so ... fine. let them support it. |
| 20:03.08 | Assid | hehe |
| 20:03.25 | Assid | yeah thats all good and all.. but im in deep crap cause of that |
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| 20:03.34 | Assid | cant recompile |
| 20:03.38 | JordiGH | Assid: What's the exact linker error? Unresolved symbols or duplicate symbols or what? |
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| 20:03.40 | peterS | Assid: however ... even though I don't use qmail, if you could paste your ld error somewhere (some pastebin) I'll look at it and tell you if it's something simple to fix |
| 20:03.42 | bzed | Assid: don't blame debian for that please |
| 20:03.46 | Assid | can i move a etch box back to sarge ? |
| 20:03.53 | JordiGH | !downgrade |
| 20:03.53 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 20:04.04 | streuner | Assid: no, you have to reinstall then |
| 20:04.06 | Assid | bzed: not blaming debian.. just wanna get this working |
| 20:04.10 | Assid | aieeeee |
| 20:04.13 | Assid | its a remote box |
| 20:04.15 | Assid | err 3 of them |
| 20:04.31 | rahul | stoned: looks like the Q27 goes to the 7 train |
| 20:04.40 | Assid | why do i do such things.. why ?!?!!? |
| 20:04.48 | rahul | anyone from queens who can confirm? heh |
| 20:04.53 | bzed | Assid: paste the error as peterS suggested, probably that's easy to fix |
| 20:05.00 | ThePlumber | Assid: it -is- your nature |
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| 20:06.38 | JordiGH | Heh. Is SubStack's quit message a reference to the Bouncing Cow screensaver? |
| 20:07.14 | Assid | okay qmail requires uspci and daemontools to work.. i tried just recompiling qmail.. that gives me http://pastebin.ca/441643 |
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| 20:07.33 | streuner | Assid: you didn't listen very well |
| 20:07.35 | Assid | i get similar collect2 for uspci |
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| 20:07.42 | edju | Are the etch repositories empty? |
| 20:07.44 | wols_ | Assid: http://forum.qmailrocks.org/archive/index.php/t-2745.htm for example |
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| 20:08.01 | peterS | Assid: ahh, undefined reference to errno means you have to #include <errno.h> somewhere |
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| 20:08.16 | JordiGH | edju: No. |
| 20:08.25 | peterS | Assid: just add that line near the top of substdo.c |
| 20:08.31 | rahul | where is that stoned? |
| 20:08.46 | JordiGH | peterS: I thought we were on linking errors/ |
| 20:08.47 | JordiGH | ? |
| 20:08.48 | edju | Does it matter if sources.list states etch or stable? |
| 20:08.53 | peterS | JordiGH: yes, but that is still the solution |
| 20:08.57 | streuner | Why want someone more headaches and don't just install a well supported MTA in Debian? |
| 20:09.13 | peterS | JordiGH: errno is a global variable that existed in older versions of libc6 but does not exist now. hence the error. if you #include <errno.h>, it will #define errno to something that _does_ exist now. |
| 20:09.17 | JordiGH | edju: Not anymore it doesn't. |
| 20:09.17 | streuner | And why we do have support that? |
| 20:09.55 | edju | OK. One more - Are there no updates in etch because it's newly stable? |
| 20:10.07 | JordiGH | peterS: I'm confused. Did make encounter a compile error and attempted to link anyways? |
| 20:10.11 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.13 | wols_ | no new versions |
| 20:10.18 | peterS | edju: correct. stable means no updates. except security updates and fixes to very very serious problems. |
| 20:10.31 | Assid | peterS: still getting errors.. |
| 20:10.35 | edju | Thanks a lot. |
| 20:10.42 | peterS | JordiGH: it's not a compile error to refer to a global variable supposedly in some other library, which in reality is not there. |
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| 20:11.05 | JordiGH | peterS: Ah, "extern" errors. Gotcah. |
| 20:11.07 | JordiGH | Gotcha. |
| 20:11.26 | peterS | Assid: if the errno problem still shows up, it will talk about a different source file in the error message. that will tell you to fix that other source file too. |
| 20:11.31 | streuner | Do you think someone who has problems to compile it, hasn't any problems to configure that...? |
| 20:11.43 | Assid | nah this is another eerror |
| 20:11.55 | peterS | Assid: ok, paste? |
| 20:12.04 | Assid | http://pastebin.ca/441655 |
| 20:12.06 | Assid | there we go |
| 20:12.33 | JordiGH | You guys are being offtopic. Take it outside. ;-) |
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| 20:12.47 | peterS | Assid: ok that one I can't diagnose without actually looking at the source. hmmm, I guess I can pull down the source easily enough.. |
| 20:12.54 | Assid | hold on |
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| 20:12.56 | Assid | i fixed that one |
| 20:12.59 | ThePlumber | what is up with libxfixes! |
| 20:13.18 | peterS | ThePlumber: huh? you tell us |
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| 20:13.27 | ThePlumber | what is the diff between xree86-comomon and x11-common? |
| 20:13.42 | wols_ | ThePlumber: one is for xfree86, the other is for xorg |
| 20:13.45 | peterS | ThePlumber: etch does not ship XFree86 anymore, so the package has been renamed (and changed somewhat, too) |
| 20:13.47 | wols_ | you want xorg since that is in etch |
| 20:14.21 | ThePlumber | shit..... libfixes wont install under Xfree86 then? |
| 20:14.33 | gravity | x11-common is *very* different actually, but it's really not important |
| 20:14.37 | wols_ | ThePlumber: do you run or want to run etch? if so: there is no xfree86 |
| 20:14.40 | peterS | ThePlumber: etch X library packages will not install on XFree86, no |
| 20:14.43 | ThePlumber | whoops! i meant -alas and shit- |
| 20:15.18 | ThePlumber | peterS: so no running geda package under Xfree86 on SARGE? |
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| 20:15.44 | DavidProck1981 | who sotl me about fbset |
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| 20:15.46 | a1fa | hi |
| 20:15.49 | DavidProck1981 | told* |
| 20:15.49 | peterS | ThePlumber: I have no idea. if geda requires xfixes, then you have to figure out why, and whether there's something you can provide for it in sarge instead. |
| 20:16.02 | a1fa | i am running auditor on my laptop.. i want to switch it to debian stable |
| 20:16.05 | ThePlumber | peterS: gotcha |
| 20:16.08 | a1fa | can i use dist-upgrade? |
| 20:16.11 | ThePlumber | off to the source |
| 20:16.15 | a1fa | to move from auditor to debian stable? |
| 20:16.27 | DavidProck1981 | hello |
| 20:16.29 | a1fa | i dont have a cdrom for this system |
| 20:16.34 | DavidProck1981 | like a day agao |
| 20:16.37 | JordiGH | !greet Dark_Apostrophe |
| 20:16.37 | dpkg | Howdy, Dark_Apostrophe |
| 20:16.56 | JordiGH | What's auditor? |
| 20:17.06 | a1fa | distro based off debian |
| 20:17.12 | JordiGH | !based on Debian |
| 20:17.12 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 20:17.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: Hey |
| 20:17.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sup? |
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| 20:17.17 | JordiGH | !debian takeover |
| 20:17.18 | a1fa | eheh |
| 20:17.18 | odneun | Hey erm, does the new release of Debian still come default with the 2.4 kernel ? |
| 20:17.26 | JordiGH | !debian-takeoever |
| 20:17.26 | a1fa | it dont matter |
| 20:17.47 | a1fa | i want to move away from auditor |
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| 20:17.49 | JordiGH | alfa: Don't do dist-upgrade. That's almost guaranteed to break. Do a Debian takeover. |
| 20:17.55 | a1fa | how? |
| 20:18.10 | streuner | a1fa: read ig (install-guide) |
| 20:18.11 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: Sorry. I was trying to greet someone else. |
| 20:18.20 | Assid | peterS: am just updating all the files with the same errors |
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| 20:18.28 | peterS | Assid: right. |
| 20:18.28 | Assid | will let you know how it goes |
| 20:18.42 | DavidProck1981 | odneun, im about to do another damn format, so ill be able to tell u when im done |
| 20:18.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 20:19.02 | JordiGH | !takeover |
| 20:19.05 | streuner | !tell a1fa about ig |
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| 20:19.08 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 20:19.12 | odneun | ah, thanks dude. I've been having trouble with the 2.6 kernel on every distro i've tried |
| 20:19.22 | JordiGH | Wasn't there a factoid on that? |
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| 20:19.29 | DavidProck1981 | because of hardware? |
| 20:19.42 | streuner | JordiGH: /msg dpkg listkeys takeover |
| 20:20.08 | streuner | JordiGH: or just use stew's (dpkg.vireo.org) frondend |
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| 20:20.31 | markybob | odneun: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-kernel-changes |
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| 20:20.49 | DavidProck1981 | odneun, i remember there being like 4 or 5 options to pick from for the kernel, but i dont remember what they wer |
| 20:21.35 | DavidProck1981 | aahhhh , is u markybob ??? that told me about fbset ?? |
| 20:21.54 | Assid | peterS: that link wols gave me .. mentions something of uspci and daemontools needing updatre.. do i need those too? |
| 20:21.58 | a1fa | there is nothing in the install manual |
| 20:22.04 | a1fa | ~non-us |
| 20:22.10 | apt | it has been said that non-us is (Deprecated) where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing\" or "unstable\" for "woody\". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at ... |
| 20:22.14 | DavidProck1981 | markybob, correct? |
| 20:22.16 | odneun | ah, thanks mark. erm. Since i'm asking stuff, does anyone know what I can do to get the kernel to give me a verbose output of what it's doing when it boots. It freezes on "booting kernel" and I have no idea why |
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| 20:22.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | aardvarq: Oops, sorry |
| 20:22.31 | peterS | Assid: I have no clue. but unless they use errno that way as well, I don't see why they'd need to be updated |
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| 20:22.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | aardvarq: That wasn't intentional |
| 20:22.46 | a1fa | ~takeover |
| 20:22.53 | markybob | DavidProck1981: do you have a question about fbset? |
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| 20:23.34 | DavidProck1981 | u was the one that told me to man fbset, so i can fix my LCD monitor problem, correct? |
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| 20:24.07 | rolandlakr | Etch is the first release of debian I've used and I was wondering what I have to do to make Etch lenny. |
| 20:24.25 | a1fa | how do hell do i takover my install :p |
| 20:24.37 | peterS | rolandlakr: if you don't have experience with debian, I don't recommend lenny. at least for awhile it is likely to break occasionally in mysterious ways |
| 20:24.43 | Thorrn4 | hello, is java 5 the latest version of java in the repos? how can i get version 6? |
| 20:24.46 | markybob | DavidProck1981: yes. do you have a real question or do you just wanna keep wasting time? |
| 20:24.55 | peterS | a1fa: I have never heard of auditor and I'm guessing most of us here haven't, so we don't know for sure |
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| 20:25.20 | rolandlakr | peterS: No offense, but I'm asking for directions, not opinions. |
| 20:25.24 | streuner | a1fa: HOW did you even install that OS on your laptop? |
| 20:25.32 | rolandlakr | peterS: I know the risks. |
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| 20:25.45 | a1fa | it came with it |
| 20:25.46 | peterS | rolandlakr: then edit sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, hold your breath |
| 20:25.48 | a1fa | when i bought it |
| 20:25.51 | DavidProck1981 | markybob well u should have been more pasicfic, instead of leaving it all up to me , cause not i lost everything, Thanks :( |
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| 20:26.02 | peterS | rolandlakr: that would be /etc/apt/sources.list, change mentions of 'stable' or 'etch' to 'lenny' |
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| 20:26.27 | rolandlakr | peterS: Alright. Thanks. |
| 20:26.35 | markybob | DavidProck1981: fuck you. it's not my fault you dont know how to follow docs. |
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| 20:27.13 | a1fa | no easy way to takeover? |
| 20:27.15 | CaspeR-Bz | hello :) Who can help me to make the sound work on my debian ? :D I have a C-Media 5.1 9761 soundcard |
| 20:27.30 | DavidProck1981 | markybob well now im back it again, and this time i wont be upset if i lose every thing, But r u willing to tri to help again |
| 20:27.56 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: how can you "lose everything" by using fbset? |
| 20:27.56 | streuner | a1fa: do you have a floppy or usb-stick? |
| 20:27.56 | DavidProck1981 | more help than just man fbset |
| 20:27.59 | brent | ok silly question: what's the point of debian offering 21 CDs? isn't that a bit unnecessary? |
| 20:28.05 | streuner | no |
| 20:28.07 | Thorrn4 | could some1 plz help me with my question? |
| 20:28.08 | wols_ | brent: it's not silly |
| 20:28.09 | brent | /etc/init.d/flameshield start |
| 20:28.22 | a1fa | hm |
| 20:28.26 | streuner | its the WHOLE release of etch and that IS 21 CD's or 3 DVD's |
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| 20:28.26 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 20:28.38 | streuner | brent: you need only one CD to install |
| 20:28.38 | stew | &bot |
| 20:28.39 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 20:28.39 | markybob | DavidProck1981: yes, i love helping people who just tried to tell me off. google. first google return, for example, is a good doc. why is that so hard? |
| 20:28.48 | streuner | !d-i brent |
| 20:28.48 | dpkg | brent, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:29.05 | streuner | hm, someone should edit the factoid |
| 20:29.10 | brent | so why would anyone want to download the whole dang repository |
| 20:29.10 | rahul | brent: that's how much it takes to hold all the packages |
| 20:29.15 | peterS | CaspeR-Bz: hrrrm - I can't figure out what a C-Media 5.1 9761 is. what does this say? lspci | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 20:29.15 | brent | lol that's a bit out of date |
| 20:29.20 | rahul | brent: because they're dumb |
| 20:29.32 | streuner | rahul: heh |
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| 20:29.36 | wols_ | brent: to mirror locally or for a big install which doesn't have good networka ccess |
| 20:29.44 | brent | it just seems to pointlessly mislead new people, I'm constantly having to tell people to just download the first CD |
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| 20:29.52 | x2Fusion | Download today, http://beam.to/picy |
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| 20:30.09 | peterS | f'in spammer |
| 20:30.10 | streuner | brent: sorry, that you didn't get the whole attention of me :-) |
| 20:30.22 | CaspeR-Bz | peterS, : he says nothing :) |
| 20:30.24 | brent | I get the reason why it's there, I just think that maybe it should be moved out of the way where newbies would accidently find it |
| 20:30.32 | wols_ | peterS: it's funny laugh: spammers to tell debian people to download exe files |
| 20:30.34 | a1fa | i will do dist-upgrade |
| 20:30.42 | peterS | CaspeR-Bz: hmmm then. just run lspci and tell me what it says about the audio then |
| 20:30.48 | markybob | DavidProck1981: you dont *deserve* help. it's not a right that you have. i dont work for you. you dont get more help by telling off those who pointed you in the right direction. you messed it up, not me. learn how to act or else soon you wont get any help from anyone |
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| 20:30.56 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 20:31.01 | streuner | if you don't even able to find a simple netinstall CD in internet, you shouldn't run Debian |
| 20:32.06 | magyar | linux-kbuild-2.6.20[UNAVAILABLE] ???? |
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| 20:32.06 | stew | markybob: please just drop it, consider using /ignore |
| 20:32.06 | ManuP | what is difference between vim-common and vim?? |
| 20:32.06 | AndroidDat1 | hihi |
| 20:32.06 | peterS | magyar: correct. it will be available soon. |
| 20:32.07 | magyar | BAHH |
| 20:32.07 | DavidProck1981 | wols_, well my LCD is Very Picky, For some strange reason it will let me install debian, but durring like 99% of the loading process i can see any thing , But a message on my LCD telling me to set hte Resoultion to 1680x1050, and it will stay like that till the gui loads |
| 20:32.09 | peterS | ManuP: don't worry about the difference. just install vim. |
| 20:32.09 | perlmonkey | I could use some pointers, I've installed Open VPN and and Open SSL, I want to secure my wifi connection. does anyone know a good howto guide or similiar? |
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| 20:32.09 | CaspeR-Bz | peterS, : I`ll paste the text in private |
| 20:32.09 | brent | streuner: yeah I get that, but it just seems like Debian would be better off catering to somebody wanting to discover something new, and then being intimidated by 21 CDs |
| 20:32.10 | repyskichboarder | when I try to open a ntfs partition I got this error: http://pastebin.ca/441681 somebody can help me? |
| 20:32.11 | ManuP | peterS, so i deinstall vim-common? aptitude tells, it might couse collision. |
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| 20:32.41 | brent | frankly I wish more people would use Debian, but the website is just so outdated-looking and confusing for many prospective users |
| 20:32.45 | peterS | CaspeR-Bz: if it's just one line you can paste publically. anyway, that is just a standard motherboard sound chip that your system should have detected at boot time and loaded the 'snd-via82xx' driver already |
| 20:32.49 | brent | it's fine for me because I'm used to it |
| 20:33.12 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 20:33.17 | CaspeR-Bz | peterS, : but I can`t here anything... :p no sound .. nothing |
| 20:33.17 | streuner | brent: there is debian-www ML, just feel free to help |
| 20:33.35 | brent | streuner: I will try, thanks :) |
| 20:33.37 | stew | the newly elected DPL mentioned making the website more "sexy" as part of his platform |
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| 20:34.01 | brent | that sounds like a very good idea. we don't even need "sexy", just usable is good enough for me. |
| 20:34.25 | DavidProck1981 | wols_, and markybob tell me about fbset, and basicly saying figure it on my own, and i dont know enough to do it on my own and i made things WORSE |
| 20:34.32 | peterS | CaspeR-Bz: the VIA 8233 and the C-Media 9761 codec both seem to be well-supported with recent kernels. what kernel are you using? type 'uname -r' |
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| 20:34.37 | x2Fusion | Download today, http://beam.to/picy |
| 20:34.38 | Assid | peterS: didnt hellp |
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| 20:34.48 | Assid | i think i gotta do the daemontools and uspci |
| 20:34.55 | CaspeR-Bz | I use 2.6.18-4-486 :) |
| 20:34.55 | peterS | stew: yeah, do it, that's his second offense |
| 20:35.04 | ManuP | what are all the vim-* packages for? vim-tiny, vim-tcl etc. |
| 20:35.22 | petemc | ManuP: apt-cache show package |
| 20:35.25 | AndroidDat1 | I have a problem. I've programmed a "HostServer" kit which runs programs depending on the users' wishes. I'm using this system myself, and it works perfectly. Till' I came back from watching TV... my application (which I don't have the source-code of) was eating 100% of the available CPU and this is "normal" for that application. So no worries there. The problem is that the "shutdown" function calls a function directly inside every single o |
| 20:35.25 | AndroidDat1 | So I need like, a shell command so I can start the file which returns the PID of the file so I can use that forcibly kill it... or I need to somehow set nice levels as a non-root user (I don't know if this is possible, actually). I'd like to do both. Except: I don't know any good commands for efficiently getting the PID of the program I'm starting. Note that the program requires me to input several arguments. |
| 20:35.27 | peterS | ManuP: those are all vim compiled with different features, as you can see if you type 'apt-cache show vim-tiny' |
| 20:35.30 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: that's one way to learn DavidProck1981 |
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| 20:35.47 | stew | uhh, that's not what i typed |
| 20:35.49 | ManuP | peterS, petemc okay |
| 20:36.06 | DavidProck1981 | wols_ do u know anout fbset |
| 20:36.10 | wols_ | AndroidDat1: pidof |
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| 20:36.48 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: not the way you want to. I'd suggest not to use FB at all and somply use VGA text mode (the one BIOS uses to boot) and which grub uses too by default |
| 20:36.49 | peterS | CaspeR-Bz: so I'm guessing your boot is already trying to load the correct module (snd_via82xx) but it's getting an error somewhere. run 'dmesg' and look at the output to see if this is the case. |
| 20:37.08 | DavidProck1981 | well hell i cant even become root now, so if u did know it wont do me any good |
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| 20:37.48 | magyar | peterS: is there a way to get it from NEW? |
| 20:38.21 | DavidProck1981 | wols_ how can i go about not useing FB at all |
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| 20:38.29 | peterS | magyar: nope. NEW is hidden because of US cryptography export regulations, which require sending a notice to the US department of commerce or something before exporting cryptographic software outside the US |
| 20:38.46 | simonrvn | effing libc6 "upgrade" |
| 20:38.54 | peterS | magyar: this notice is sent automatically as one stage in NEW processing |
| 20:39.00 | AndroidDat1 | pidof isn't working properly for me. The program is /usr/local/byond/bin/DreamDaemon but there are currently 4 instances of that program running, except with different command-line arguments. |
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| 20:39.16 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: boot parameter vga=normal |
| 20:39.21 | peterS | CaspeR-Bz: if you can't tell from that output, then try this: rmmod snd-via82xx snd-ac97-codec; then modprobe snd-via82xx; then check dmesg again, any errors will be at the bottom of that log |
| 20:39.37 | AndroidDat1 | I tried inputting "/usr/local/byond/DreamDaemon /home/byond/home/androiddata/4600/4600.dmb" (the first argument) but it didn't work |
| 20:39.38 | magyar | peterS: SVN? |
| 20:39.43 | wols_ | AndroidDat1: how would you decide which one to kill? |
| 20:39.45 | stew | magyar: and part of the reason for NEW processing is for ftp-masters to determine if it is even legal for debian to be distributing the software |
| 20:39.47 | DavidProck1981 | what file do i edit that pram in |
| 20:39.59 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: menu.lst |
| 20:40.08 | wols_ | AndroidDat1: via command line argument to DreamDaemon? |
| 20:40.11 | DavidProck1981 | do i have to be root |
| 20:40.17 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 20:40.19 | AndroidDat1 | wols_: my current (and sloppy, "half-assed") 'killing' system works by sending an instruction over the local network to the program to shut it down. |
| 20:40.20 | peterS | magyar: I do not know offhand where the linux-kbuild-2.6 source is kept. check the list archives at http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel to see if you can find it |
| 20:40.24 | magyar | stew: well devel need kbuid for kernel 20 |
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| 20:40.34 | DavidProck1981 | cause for some reason i cant become root now |
| 20:40.45 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: then fix it |
| 20:40.47 | magyar | peterS: thank you |
| 20:40.52 | DavidProck1981 | cant |
| 20:40.55 | AndroidDat1 | except this method does not work if the program is unresponsive (or has been made to reject such commands). It's essentially the same as "kill -15 <pid>" but a bit less reliable. |
| 20:41.04 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: then you can't do what's needed.goodbye |
| 20:41.12 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: what versin of debian do you run? |
| 20:41.21 | DavidProck1981 | etch 4.0r0 |
| 20:41.43 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: and what happens if you run "su" and etner your root password? |
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| 20:41.58 | AndroidDat1 | I need a command like "start <program> <arguments for program>" or something. This program would return the PID of the program it just started. Then I can use that PID to kill it in any way I want. |
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| 20:42.29 | xand | killing is illegal, AndroidDat1 |
| 20:42.30 | DavidProck1981 | one sec ill get the message |
| 20:42.30 | wols_ | AndroidDat1: how do you start stuff right now? |
| 20:42.50 | simonrvn | it's called an init script |
| 20:42.51 | AndroidDat1 | xand: I like working with high-risks. :p |
| 20:42.59 | AndroidDat1 | I just instruct DreamDaemon to do it. |
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| 20:43.19 | wols_ | AndroidDat1: assisting suicide is illegal too. in most countries at least |
| 20:43.21 | DavidProck1981 | su: Authentication failure, sorry |
| 20:43.23 | wols_ | and only MDs can assist |
| 20:43.35 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: wrong password. do you have caps lock on or such? |
| 20:43.39 | stew | magyar: have you checked the debian-kernel mailing list? |
| 20:43.44 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 20:43.44 | wols_ | !forgot root password |
| 20:43.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, forgot root password is <see> ifrp |
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| 20:43.50 | wols_ | !ifrp |
| 20:43.51 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:43.57 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: ^ |
| 20:44.00 | DavidProck1981 | and i know what my pass is |
| 20:44.12 | stew | !no forgot root password is <reply>see ifrp |
| 20:44.12 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:44.15 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: you obviously don't or it would work with su |
| 20:44.23 | AndroidDat1 | I use a startup() code to do this. This code creates a new thread to the running program. |
| 20:44.30 | wols_ | stew: why? it's helpful? |
| 20:44.32 | DavidProck1981 | brb , bath room, got to shit |
| 20:44.43 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: too much information |
| 20:44.56 | AndroidDat1 | Which runs a bunch of instructions in the form of "/usr/local/byond/bin/DreamDaemon /home/byond/home/androiddata/4500/4500.dmb 4500 -once -safe -logself" |
| 20:45.04 | stew | !forgot root password |
| 20:45.04 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 20:45.15 | stew | wols_: not it just redirects automatically |
| 20:45.20 | stew | ^not^now |
| 20:45.31 | AndroidDat1 | that's the types of commands it executes. Except the style of the command changes depending on the settings provided by the user. For instance, when they turn "persistent mode" on, the "-once" tag is no longer used. |
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| 20:45.44 | stew | i can't type today |
| 20:46.00 | AndroidDat1 | It then returns "127.0.0.1:4500" which is the local IP & the port it's running on. |
| 20:46.09 | AndroidDat1 | lo |
| 20:46.09 | wols_ | stew: ah k. thanks |
| 20:46.10 | xand | !pidof |
| 20:46.10 | dpkg | somebody said pidof was a simpler way of doing ps ax | grep "process name" |
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| 20:46.18 | jelly-home | !pgrep |
| 20:46.21 | a1fa | grrr |
| 20:46.31 | a1fa | how do you go from debian-testing back to debian-stable? |
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| 20:46.39 | jelly-home | a1fa: reinstall :-| |
| 20:46.44 | wols_ | a1fa: you can't |
| 20:46.45 | RvGaTe | Within Etch, how can i make sure users can not browse trough others home folders? |
| 20:46.46 | a1fa | ok |
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| 20:47.03 | a1fa | i cant reinstall |
| 20:47.04 | a1fa | no cd |
| 20:47.06 | wols_ | a1fa: unless you wait until testing becomes stable. current estimates are 24 months I'd say. give or take 12 monts.. |
| 20:47.18 | a1fa | no usb.. nothing |
| 20:47.30 | a1fa | i could try to resize my partition |
| 20:47.31 | wols_ | RvGaTe: make the home dirs readable and exectuable only by the user |
| 20:47.52 | jelly-home | a1fa: there are other ways of installing apart from bootable media, debootstrap comes to mind. |
| 20:48.00 | wols_ | a1fa: you can't really resize while the box is booting fromt hat partition |
| 20:48.20 | jimbalaya | I want to set my debian box to automatically log into X as a specified user at boot ... am I correct in my searching so far that makes be believe it's impossible with xdm? |
| 20:48.24 | a1fa | yeah |
| 20:48.26 | jelly-home | a1fa: do you have a swap partition? |
| 20:48.31 | a1fa | hm |
| 20:48.32 | a1fa | i think so |
| 20:48.41 | a1fa | ups no swap partition |
| 20:48.49 | jelly-home | a1fa: if it's big enough, you could install stable on it. |
| 20:48.49 | a1fa | i wonder if this can netboot |
| 20:48.51 | wols_ | jelly-home: you don#t want to use xdm if you want to log in automatically |
| 20:48.58 | RvGaTe | wols_, i can remember a blue setup screen where it asks it you want to enable/disable it... cant remember what is was tho... so its not a matter of chmod'ing it... |
| 20:49.09 | wols_ | jelly-home: only use rungetty and put a startx in the users startup file |
| 20:49.15 | a1fa | i wonder if i can netboot?? |
| 20:49.16 | jelly-home | wols_: s/ jelly-home / jimbalaya / |
| 20:49.25 | wols_ | jelly-home: thank you |
| 20:49.34 | xand | RvGaTe: it is a case of that (chmod). and then editing /etc/adduser.conf |
| 20:50.01 | a1fa | 20-96, 50-75, neomagic |
| 20:50.11 | a1fa | maybe network boot-up |
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| 20:50.55 | a1fa | the question is how do you setup net-install via bootp? |
| 20:51.00 | jelly-home | a1fa: if your network card supports PXE boot and you have another machine, that could be an option too |
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| 20:51.14 | a1fa | ywah i got that |
| 20:51.18 | a1fa | i got another debian box up here |
| 20:51.24 | jelly-home | a1fa: I bet the release notes cover that |
| 20:51.24 | JordiGH | Heh, "ups" instead of "oops" and "alfa" instead of "alpha". Spanish speaker! |
| 20:51.31 | a1fa | i'll check it |
| 20:51.51 | a1fa | ~ig |
| 20:51.54 | apt | from memory, install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 20:51.54 | rcbarnes | Anyone here use and of the M-Audio Delta series (esp. the Delta 44)? |
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| 20:52.18 | rcbarnes | I'm getting strange behaviour, and I'm trying to determine if my hardware's bad or if it's a driver issue. |
| 20:52.26 | Wyzard | Does anyone here know offhand whether dd's "conv=noerror" option causes it to omit unreadable areas entirely from the output, or just fill them in with zeros? |
| 20:52.36 | zinx | Wyzard: with only noerror, it will omit them |
| 20:52.52 | Wyzard | zinx: Can I make it use zeros instead? |
| 20:52.53 | zinx | Wyzard: you need "sync" as well (as in: "conv=noerror,sync") to zero |
| 20:52.58 | Wyzard | ah,ok |
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| 20:53.15 | Wyzard | thanks |
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| 20:53.21 | rcbarnes | (Specifically, I am getting only the left channel on my first two outs, and nothing on the second two.) |
| 20:53.22 | waspius | hello...can someone tell me what file i need to download so i can have java support in my browser...i tried looking but i am not sure what file to download...it used to be something like apt-get install j2re... |
| 20:53.25 | RvGaTe | xand, wols_ so i would change the DIR_MODE to 700 in adduser.conf and then chmod /home/<username> 700.... ? |
| 20:53.28 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 20:53.28 | Wyzard | I'm helping a friend do an image backup of a damaged hard drive |
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| 20:53.36 | xand | RvGaTe: uhuh |
| 20:53.38 | nvz | this is randomly off-topic but "Windows" is (R) or (Tm)? |
| 20:53.42 | zinx | Wyzard: There's also a "dd_rescue" or "dd_recover" or something i hear getting mentioned, but i don't know how it differs |
| 20:53.57 | zinx | Wyzard: yeah, i've used conv=noerror,sync for that before |
| 20:53.58 | xand | nvz: www.microsoft.com |
| 20:54.04 | DavidProck1981 | sont kill me but i dont understand the !frp instructions |
| 20:54.18 | zinx | Wyzard: i've also had them where reading the sector would cause a MCE though, that's some bad mojo :) |
| 20:54.23 | Wyzard | zinx: yeah, we looked into that, but unfortunately we can't use it in this case because the only place he has available to store the backup is a fat32 external hard drive, so we have to pipe the output into split since fat32 can't handle large files |
| 20:54.25 | wintix | rcbarnes: 5.1 sound card? |
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| 20:54.37 | kdean06 | With the newly released KDE and XFCE images of Etch, do I still need to download all of the Cd's or just the first (or first three, or five..) ? |
| 20:54.39 | rcbarnes | wintix: nope, it's a 2-channel card |
| 20:54.39 | acx | hey, I'm having a problem w/ alsa, sound works just fine but when I try to open alsamixer I get a "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" error |
| 20:54.42 | Wyzard | zinx: and ddrescue expects to be able to seek around in its output so it can't be piped to split |
| 20:54.56 | zinx | Wyzard: ah, yeah. dd conv=noerror,sync should work fine |
| 20:54.56 | JordiGH | waspius: sun-jre or something like that, for playing internet java applets. It's currently in non-free, but it should move down to main this year, if all goes well. :-/ |
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| 20:55.03 | rcbarnes | wintix: it's targeted at recording/playback with very good quality and no "frills" |
| 20:55.04 | nvz | xand: bah I am not navigating their crapfest online for a simple question like that I probably got a damn windows cd around that would answer it faster |
| 20:55.05 | Wyzard | zinx: cool, thanks |
| 20:55.11 | RvGaTe | xand, wols_, thank you :) worked |
| 20:55.11 | DavidProck1981 | wols_: Dont kill me but i dont understand the !frp instructions |
| 20:55.19 | zinx | Wyzard: as long as the kernel eventually gives up on the bad sector, and the drive doesn't shut down when the bad sectors are read |
| 20:55.25 | ThePlumber | trying to upgrade to x11-common from xfree86 but dpk gives me a libxt6 depends error.. howto upgrade? |
| 20:55.29 | waspius | JordiGH: thank you |
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| 20:55.49 | stew | ThePlumber: are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 20:56.02 | Wyzard | zinx: It seemed to be working, except that split for some reason was producing 134MB files rather than 2GB files, even though we specified "--bytes=2147483648" |
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| 20:56.19 | ThePlumber | stew: spose i'll try rtfm |
| 20:56.26 | stew | ThePlumber: /msg dpkg etch |
| 20:56.27 | bernie | hello, I have create a repository and I have always a warning, the packages cannot be auth, my repository http://debian.tuxmania.org/ |
| 20:56.35 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: then try to learn about it. your statement reeks of laziness |
| 20:56.50 | zinx | Wyzard: hmm, that would be way too many bad sectors to bother with recovery, which block size are you using? probably should limit it to 512 bytes |
| 20:56.52 | stew | ThePlumber: the release notes tell you exactly how to upgrade etch to avoid dependency problems |
| 20:56.53 | DavidProck1981 | huh? |
| 20:57.02 | ThePlumber | stew: what does etch have to do with it? |
| 20:57.10 | zinx | Wyzard: it's a bit slower to read that way, but you get less lost sectors |
| 20:57.17 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: if you don't understand something you try to learn about it. do that |
| 20:57.23 | Wyzard | zinx: dd's blocksize is 512 by default, I believe |
| 20:57.30 | wintix | rcbarnes: you can test your setuo with speaker-test |
| 20:57.30 | ThePlumber | oh, i dont want to upgrade etch, just upgrade to xorg new i guess? |
| 20:57.40 | stew | ThePlumber: use backports.org or what? |
| 20:57.41 | ThePlumber | running sarge |
| 20:57.45 | DavidProck1981 | dont know how to go about doing the !frp |
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| 20:57.54 | Wyzard | zinx: but regardless of what errors dd encounters, it should be outputting a consistent stream so split shouldn't know or care about any read errors |
| 20:57.55 | stew | ThePlumber: (x11-common is only in etch aka stable, it is not in sarge) |
| 20:57.59 | DavidProck1981 | dont comprehend it |
| 20:58.15 | ThePlumber | so where can i find a deb install for pcb for sarge then? |
| 20:58.19 | rcbarnes | wintix: well, I know that my output's screwed up---I just don't know if it's hardware or software... |
| 20:58.22 | rcbarnes | :-/ |
| 20:58.40 | ThePlumber | searched the packages dir and all i get is a version of pcb that i cannot install |
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| 20:59.13 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: you use grub. so start with "press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot" instead of step 1. the rest is the same |
| 20:59.36 | enouf | Wyzard: you've seen http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html ? |
| 20:59.53 | wintix | rcbarnes: i might have been able to help you with 5.1 sound problems but can't help you with your setup |
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| 21:00.15 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 21:00.16 | rcbarnes | nvz: In regards to your question, I'm sure it's (R). (Tm) is reserved for trademarks that have not been registered with a goverment, where (R) is registered---something I can't imaging M$ not doing. |
| 21:00.31 | Wyzard | zinx: ah, nevermind, he was seeing messages from dd saying that it had read 134MB before encountering an error, and thinking that it meant the output was being split into chunks of that size |
| 21:00.31 | perlmonkey | VPN + wifi? |
| 21:00.44 | kingsley | ThePlumber: http://packages.debian.org/stable/electronics/pcb |
| 21:01.20 | enouf | Wyzard: yes, without a specified ibs, obs, bs= , the default is 512 .. AFAIK |
| 21:01.21 | rcbarnes | wintix: Thanks, anyway. I mostly want to find someone who's got a similar setup to me so I can compare notes... |
| 21:01.36 | Wyzard | enouf: Hadn't heard of that, but we looked into gddrescue and found that it unfortunately can't be used in this case |
| 21:02.00 | zinx | Wyzard: ah |
| 21:02.17 | enouf | Wyzard: take a look, and others that mught be avail on recovery disks, like grml.org, insert, and testdisk |
| 21:02.26 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: I bet it's (r) since they put (r) and (c) for that purpose into their version of latin-1 encoding in win95 ;-) |
| 21:02.27 | acx | anyone know why alsamixer spits out alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device? |
| 21:02.33 | Wyzard | enouf: since we need to split the output into 2GB files on a FAT32 volume, and gddrescue can't do that... plain dd|split can |
| 21:02.40 | ThePlumber | kingsley: thanks! will check |
| 21:02.42 | DavidProck1981 | well im needin g to format any way, so i can do a dual boot with windows so i can use Nero 7 Ultra |
| 21:02.51 | ThePlumber | kingsley: just reading about the older sources |
| 21:03.01 | enouf | zinx: thanks, didn't knnow about the conv=noerror vs the +sync option .. and behavior difference |
| 21:03.18 | ThePlumber | kingsley: guess the only thing is some buttons dont work under free86 |
| 21:03.23 | DavidProck1981 | or can wine run that |
| 21:03.36 | ThePlumber | kingsley: i gotta keyboard though :-) |
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| 21:03.47 | enouf | Wyzard: the url i posted allows for time controlled pieces, so i presume it can do, seek, skip on it's own if need be |
| 21:04.02 | ManuP | i overwrote /etc/vimrc by accident. dpkg-reconfigure didnt gave me new one. how do i get a new /etc/vimrc? |
| 21:04.20 | ManuP | sorry, not /etc/vimrc but /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 21:04.25 | perlmonkey | hello |
| 21:04.38 | ThePlumber | kingsley: yeah, that version wont install under sarge/x11-86 |
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| 21:04.42 | markybob | manup --purge and install again |
| 21:04.43 | solemnwarning | How do I make dhclient send the machines hostname in etch? |
| 21:04.44 | ThePlumber | xfree86 |
| 21:04.56 | stew | solemnwarning: edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 21:05.05 | kingsley | ThePlumber: Why won't it install? |
| 21:05.06 | solemnwarning | Setting "send host-name" in dhclient.conf doesn't work like it did in sarge |
| 21:05.29 | solemnwarning | There's no /etc/dhclient.conf, it's /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 21:05.32 | wintix | !tell perlmonkey about ask |
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| 21:06.31 | ThePlumber | kingsley: says it needs x11-common and libxfixes3, but i run xfree86 and x11-common wont upgrade , says xfree86 depends on libxt6 |
| 21:06.52 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 21:07.01 | stew | ThePlumber: are you using backports.org's version of xorg? or are you trying to mix sarge and etch? |
| 21:07.08 | ManuP | markybob, no, it doesnt work |
| 21:07.10 | ThePlumber | so im kinda stuck wondering howto get this damn thing installed (pcb) |
| 21:07.34 | stew | ThePlumber: why not just "apt-get install pcb"? |
| 21:07.36 | ThePlumber | i guess im trying to mix, but i dont know what backports.org is |
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| 21:07.50 | stew | ThePlumber: you shouldn't mix different releases |
| 21:07.57 | kingsley | ThePlumber: Which command do you use to try to install pcb? |
| 21:08.06 | ThePlumber | dpkg of course |
| 21:08.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, of course is exiting successfully since the user changed his mind |
| 21:08.08 | ThePlumber | :-) |
| 21:08.35 | stew | ThePlumber: dpkg -i? why not aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 21:08.56 | ThePlumber | pcb installs but does not configure, my machine is a mess right now from trying to upgrade, and i dont let my internal machine on the net |
| 21:09.07 | jelly-home | Hi, does anyone know if the people doing volatile are going to continue their efforts with etch too? |
| 21:09.23 | stew | ThePlumber: what version of pcb are you trying to install? |
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| 21:09.44 | peterS | jelly-home: as far as I know, the plan is to continue to support volatile pretty much the way it is now |
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| 21:09.55 | ThePlumber | the one that i found on the package search ummm |
| 21:10.10 | stew | ThePlumber: the one from oldstable or from stable? |
| 21:10.34 | ThePlumber | stable |
| 21:10.37 | jelly-home | peterS: I'm looking at clamav 0.91.2 in unstable, they were usually rather quick with backports... ;-) |
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| 21:10.48 | ThePlumber | maybe oldstable then ? :-) sounds like it makes sense |
| 21:10.49 | RvGaTe | !xcollector |
| 21:10.49 | dpkg | [xcollector] a good binary newsgroup leecher (pr0n obtainer), see xcollector.dino.vg |
| 21:10.52 | RvGaTe | link is down ! |
| 21:10.53 | cartesian1984 | Filesystem compression on a flash drive - is that safe? |
| 21:10.55 | stew | ThePlumber: you should be using oldstable, which is sarge, not stable which is etch |
| 21:11.11 | stew | ThePlumber: OR you should upgrade to etch (/msg dpkg etch) |
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| 21:11.44 | ThePlumber | :-) will try that of course, waiting for the mirrors to get a little unclogged, im in no rush -yet- |
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| 21:12.12 | kingsley | ThePlumber: In case you're not already familiar with it, I'd lik to draw your attention to the "apt-get" command. Unlike dpkg, apt-get has the marvelous ability to also download and install the ancillary packages that pcb depends on. The normal syntax would be "apt-get install pcb". |
| 21:12.24 | kingsley | s/lik/like/ |
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| 21:13.11 | ThePlumber | oh, i use apt-get for my external machines but anything inside the private network does not have access to the internet |
| 21:13.19 | ThePlumber | gonna setup an apt-server soon though |
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| 21:13.33 | ThePlumber | for my nokia and my internal machines |
| 21:13.41 | stew | ThePlumber: apt-proxy is easy to use |
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| 21:14.12 | ThePlumber | theres a lot of way suppose but -no access- |
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| 21:15.17 | perlmonkey | wifi + OpenVPN + Debian? |
| 21:15.23 | ThePlumber | im not big on upgrading since im always happy with the way my install of linux works but i thought i would pimp my version a little... this is a production image so i dont wanna go overboard |
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| 21:15.39 | ThePlumber | the whole stable/unstable thing threw me since etch is now out |
| 21:15.45 | ThePlumber | lol |
| 21:15.51 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.53 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.09 | ThePlumber | i dont think of SARGE as "oldstable" |
| 21:16.13 | sebbe- | you tell me |
| 21:16.24 | eheil | hey eveyrone. I've noticed that several Gnome 2.18 pacakges are creeping into unstable. Everyone know when the entire Gnome Distro will be in Unstable? |
| 21:16.37 | ThePlumber | now i know about backports.com though, i like that |
| 21:16.51 | perlmonkey | what is scp |
| 21:16.57 | eheil | scp is secure copy |
| 21:17.01 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 21:17.30 | ThePlumber | wow! pcb is cool! |
| 21:17.33 | eheil | It hink now taht unstable will be in a pretty broken state for a while b/c we were in a freeze period for such a long time. |
| 21:17.51 | perlmonkey | do I need TLS or static-key security? |
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| 21:18.26 | peterS | perlmonkey: scp is built on top of ssh, which uses static keys |
| 21:18.38 | cartesian1984 | Simplest way to compress a filesystem in Debian? |
| 21:18.44 | perlmonkey | scp works inside ssh? |
| 21:18.51 | peterS | yes |
| 21:18.56 | dalias | compress a filesystem? |
| 21:18.56 | perlmonkey | oh thanks |
| 21:19.04 | zinx | cartesian1984: does it have to be read/write? |
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| 21:19.07 | dalias | using compressed filesystem is generally a very bad idea |
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| 21:19.15 | cartesian1984 | zinx: yeah. |
| 21:19.19 | cartesian1984 | dalias: why's that? |
| 21:19.19 | zinx | cartesian1984: use jffs2 |
| 21:19.25 | dalias | performance is bad and likelihood for data loss is extremely high |
| 21:19.32 | zinx | cartesian1984: it's not exactly simple, though. |
| 21:19.34 | perlmonkey | if i use VPN do I need TLS or static key? |
| 21:19.35 | Wyzard | I don't think jffs2 is compressed |
| 21:19.35 | cartesian1984 | dalias: is this from experience? |
| 21:19.40 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: it is. |
| 21:19.43 | Wyzard | and it can't be used on ordinary disks anyway |
| 21:19.45 | dalias | cartesian1984, both experience and theoretical reasons |
| 21:19.46 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: i've used it with openwrt. |
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| 21:20.01 | zinx | Wyzard: sure it can |
| 21:20.04 | cartesian1984 | dalias: I've heard that loop-compressed filesystems actually perform better. |
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| 21:20.07 | Wyzard | I use OpenWRT too, but I haven't seen any obvious evidence of compression |
| 21:20.11 | zinx | Wyzard: you need a kernel patch to get it, though, afaik |
| 21:20.26 | dalias | cartesian1984, i seriously doubt that |
| 21:20.40 | dalias | the problem is that the compressed size of data is not predictable and varies with the contents |
| 21:20.45 | Wyzard | zinx: jffs2 is meant for flash devices where the kernel has direct control over erasing and rewriting individual blocks in the flash |
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| 21:20.52 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: OpenWRT can be build with squashfs or jffs2. I've built my own images before, so, yeah... also the sheer amount of stuff on it would take a lot more space without compression. |
| 21:20.57 | zinx | Wyzard: That doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere. |
| 21:21.30 | RvGaTe | xand, http://pc.rvgate.nl/ hmm... ;) guess what happened :P (i have 700 on /home/username/, but the html docs are in /home/username/public_html/.... any ideas? |
| 21:21.39 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: squashfs is compressed and read-only... the "jffs2" images put everything on jffs2, and the "squashfs" images consist of a squashfs with the read-only stuff, overlaid with a jffs2 that's used when you modify things |
| 21:21.43 | Tuxedo | hi everyon here |
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| 21:22.01 | \amethyst | RvGaTe: /home/username needs to be 711 |
| 21:22.06 | xand | RvGaTe: chmod o+x ~ |
| 21:22.12 | xand | and public_html |
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| 21:22.20 | cartesian1984 | dalias: well, wouldn't it reduce disk access times if a file is compressed? The hard disk generally being the greatest bottleneck in one's machine? |
| 21:22.36 | Wyzard | zinx: Well, the jffs2 driver expects its underlying device to be an "mtd device", which is different from a block device |
| 21:22.39 | cartesian1984 | Performance bottleneck, I meant to say. |
| 21:22.46 | Wyzard | zinx: Things like hard drives are block devices, not mtd devices |
| 21:22.54 | zinx | Wyzard: it doesn't appear to |
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| 21:23.08 | cartesian1984 | What about YAFFS, Yet Another Flash Filesystem? That's supposed to be intended for USB sticks also, isn't it? |
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| 21:23.35 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: no, not USB sticks -- they're flash, but abstracted as block devices by the hardware, so the actual flash is hidden from the OS |
| 21:23.41 | Wyzard | Those are not mtd devices either |
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| 21:24.23 | zinx | Wyzard: hum, dunno. seems like they wouldn't leave out generic block support though, since the only thing required is basically 'don't erase, and write like normal..' |
| 21:24.29 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: oh, because they show up as SCSI devices? Snap. I wonder if there's a filesystem intended for USB sticks. |
| 21:24.46 | Wyzard | zinx: Maybe that's the purpose of the third-party patch you mentioned |
| 21:25.00 | simonrvn | they show up scsi because of the usb drivers and sus-system, not because they're flash |
| 21:25.28 | dalias | cartesian1984, usb sticks should generally be fat16 or fat32 |
| 21:25.28 | cartesian1984 | Yeah, I'm aware. |
| 21:25.29 | \amethyst | zinx: There is a driver called block2mtd that makes a block device pretend to be MTD |
| 21:25.30 | simonrvn | sub* |
| 21:25.42 | RvGaTe | \amethyst, not really, i dont want other users to be able to read it :) the method xand gave me worked perfectly... thx xand |
| 21:25.53 | cartesian1984 | dalias: why's that? Why not ext2? |
| 21:26.07 | \amethyst | RvGaTe: err, xand told you to chmod o+x ~ , I told you to chmod 711 ~ |
| 21:26.12 | cartesian1984 | dalias: note that I'm booting from this, so I don't need to worry about Windows being able to read it. |
| 21:26.15 | dalias | cartesian1984, because they're intended for sharing between systems. systems which do not likely agree on uid's, permissions, etc. |
| 21:26.20 | dalias | ah |
| 21:26.23 | dalias | that's different then |
| 21:26.28 | simonrvn | \amethyst: er, same thing? |
| 21:26.34 | dalias | i assumed you were using the usb stick for its intended purpose, sharing files :) |
| 21:26.38 | \amethyst | simonrvn: yet my version wasn't good enough |
| 21:26.47 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 21:26.50 | Wyzard | It'd be nice to have a filesystem without ownership/permissions, for "sharing between systems", but without FAT's stupid limitations like no files bigger than 2GB |
| 21:26.52 | \amethyst | dalias: fat is horrible for USB sticks unless they have built-in wear levelling |
| 21:26.58 | cartesian1984 | dalias: I tend not to use things for their intended purposes sometimes it gets me in trouble. Oh wells :) |
| 21:27.08 | \amethyst | dalias: Or you cache them heavily |
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| 21:27.16 | cartesian1984 | There's supposed to be a period in there somewhere. |
| 21:27.19 | RvGaTe | \amethyst, o+x makes it rwx-----x, 711 makes is rwx--x--x |
| 21:27.30 | dalias | \amethyst, not any worse than using them on windows would already be.. :P |
| 21:27.34 | simonrvn | oh yeh... duh |
| 21:27.34 | RvGaTe | \amethyst, so no read, i meant execute :P |
| 21:27.35 | Wyzard | \amethyst: I think most of them do have built-in wear leveling, for pretty much that very reason |
| 21:27.39 | simonrvn | 701 not 711 |
| 21:27.39 | jbrouhard | enouf: finally got a linux system installed, but I had to rip out a NIC out of one of my servers :( |
| 21:27.49 | jbrouhard | no biggie tho.. that box was going to a farm as soon as they pay me for it <G> |
| 21:27.53 | \amethyst | RvGaTe: So you want it traversable by everyone *except* members of the owning group? |
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| 21:28.14 | zinx | Wyzard: or stupid limitations like patents? :P |
| 21:28.23 | Wyzard | that too |
| 21:28.39 | Wyzard | and lack of support for e.g. symlinks |
| 21:28.55 | zinx | too bad the only things windows will read are FAT, NTFS, ISO9660 with joliet, and recently UDF |
| 21:29.08 | RvGaTe | \amethyst, i just want that only the creator can do everything. noone else... and make the public_html folder work for the web... so rwx-----x does the job |
| 21:29.48 | Wyzard | UDF seems like a decent choice |
| 21:29.58 | zinx | UDF for a USB stick? silly. |
| 21:30.19 | zinx | dunno if windows will even read that on anything but a CD/DVD :P |
| 21:30.26 | Wyzard | but Windows can't *write* to UDF without third-party software like InCD |
| 21:30.33 | Wyzard | and that too |
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| 21:31.03 | enouf | jbrouhard: well .. good to hear .. i guess -- but thanks for the update |
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| 21:31.24 | Zeug | is the standard xfree not availiable in stable anymore? |
| 21:31.33 | enouf | win98 reads UTF .. wtf? |
| 21:31.43 | enouf | erm UDF .. sorry |
| 21:31.49 | markybob | Zeug: no. stable/etch uses xorg |
| 21:31.58 | enouf | not that i give a flying fsck |
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| 21:32.06 | Wyzard | I've done UDF writing on a CD-RW in Linux, and it does work, but unfortunately the pktcdvd driver has some irritating quirks |
| 21:32.09 | Zeug | marcels, oh, is etch now stable? |
| 21:32.14 | enouf | UDF sucks ass IMHO |
| 21:32.17 | markybob | Zeug: /topic |
| 21:32.30 | Zeug | ah |
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| 21:33.03 | enouf | there are diff versions of udf .. but all versions still suck |
| 21:33.06 | Zeug | anyways the fonts don't look as well in xorg as they did in xfree. they aren't all anti-aliased. for me at least. |
| 21:33.12 | Wyzard | What's wrong with them? |
| 21:33.21 | Wyzard | Zeug: Anti-aliased fonts aren't done by xfree/xorg |
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| 21:33.54 | Wyzard | Zeug: They're done by the applications themselves, using a font-rendering library called Freetype |
| 21:34.05 | Wyzard | xfree/xorg just gets handed bitmaps to draw |
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| 21:34.30 | enouf | DVD-RAM if you're going to kick it up a notch |
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| 21:34.57 | enouf | but isay .. screww all that optical bullcrap .. and just use HDDs .. L done |
| 21:34.59 | Wyzard | enouf: DVD-RAM seems interesting, but aren't the discs kinda expensive? |
| 21:35.15 | enouf | Wyzard: hence .. best == HDD ;-) |
| 21:35.38 | Wyzard | yeah, hard drives are probably the best backup medium these days |
| 21:35.42 | Wyzard | especially with hotpluggable eSATA |
| 21:35.47 | Zeug | Wyzard, how can i enable it? it used to be that in sarge, my fonts were anti-aliased in all my apps. |
| 21:36.01 | enouf | 500GB for ~ $150 , portable and reliable |
| 21:36.07 | Wyzard | but DVD-RAM with UDF, readable and writable in all OSes, would still be nice to have as an option |
| 21:36.22 | Wyzard | and stacks of DVDs are easier to carry around than hard drives |
| 21:36.25 | \amethyst | Zeug: gnome-font-properties if you're using Gnome |
| 21:36.31 | Zeug | i'm in icewm |
| 21:36.35 | enouf | not to me .. |
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| 21:36.46 | Wyzard | Zeug: It's a configuration issue in your apps, or (more likely) in whatever toolkit your apps use, like GTK or QT |
| 21:36.49 | \amethyst | Wyzard: A stack of DVDs big enough to hold a TB is much harder to carry around than a 1TB HD |
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| 21:37.25 | Wyzard | That's true, but currently most people don't need a terabyte of portable storage |
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| 21:37.34 | Wyzard | and by the time they do, we'll be using HD-DVD or Blu-Ray |
| 21:38.02 | Wyzard | Zeug: It's not an xorg problem... xorg does not know or care about anti-aliasedness of fonts |
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| 21:38.15 | Wyzard | It just displays whatever bitmaps the app gives it |
| 21:38.16 | Zeug | or can i install xfree86 with a binary package, or will that mess up dpkg? |
| 21:38.33 | Wyzard | Going back to xfree86 will not help |
| 21:38.38 | markybob | xfree86 also has no idea about anti-aliased fonts. listen, man :) |
| 21:38.41 | xingu | hdd based backup robots are coming. :) |
| 21:39.01 | enouf | HD-DVD and BR-DVD still, more than ever suck ass .. |
| 21:39.01 | xingu | http://www.drobo.com/ |
| 21:39.11 | xingu | there's more exciting stuff than that on way though. |
| 21:39.42 | enouf | DRM, TCPA, Proprietary Bullshit , for what 50GB .. roflmao |
| 21:39.54 | zepeuga | i want to put my old pc like a wireless router. i can use a pci wireless card to work as an AP ? |
| 21:40.13 | Wyzard | zepeuga: depends on the card, and its driver... some can do that |
| 21:40.32 | Wyzard | though I don't know specifically which ones |
| 21:41.13 | zepeuga | Wyzard, ok. do you know where can i see a list of supported cards? |
| 21:41.24 | Wyzard | xingu: I can't watch the demo video since I don't have Flash on this box, but http://www.drobo.com/drobolator/ just looks like a RAID array |
| 21:41.41 | Zeug | maybe i don't have as many fonts installed as i did before |
| 21:41.53 | Wyzard | zepeuga: Google, I guess |
| 21:41.54 | Zeug | icewm and konqueror definitely seem to be using different fonts than before |
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| 21:41.59 | enouf | Wyzard: ofcourse, I'm just any one of a billion assholes spewing their "opinion" .. but whatever |
| 21:42.42 | \amethyst | Zeug: if you run gtkfontsel are you truetype fonts listed? |
| 21:42.50 | xingu | Wyzard: yep; different focus/ goals to online storage though. |
| 21:43.03 | Wyzard | enouf: personally I'm not interested in buying HD-DVD or Blu-Ray movies until the DRM has been cracked, and I don't want the drives until they're less expensive, but if I had a drive, I don't think I'd mind using recordable HD or BR media for my own backups |
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| 21:43.50 | enouf | my media megaphone, unfortunately, is nothing more than that a disgruntled gerbel may have |
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| 21:44.27 | enouf | Wyzard: a lot of "ifs" there |
| 21:45.10 | |chiz| | how do I make iceweasel my default browser in gnome? |
| 21:45.40 | enouf | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ? |
| 21:45.50 | Wyzard | |chiz|: "Preferred Applications" on the Preferences menu |
| 21:45.54 | \amethyst | |chiz|: gnome-default-application-preferences |
| 21:46.00 | enouf | update-alternatives --config <something> |
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| 21:46.28 | |chiz| | thanks :) |
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| 21:46.40 | Zeug | \amethyst, yes, they are |
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| 21:46.42 | xingu | Wyzard: there's more fun kit on way; that unit is basically just a cheap and cheery esata+hw raid/lvm unit; but there's full scale hdd based backup units coming that are designed to replace the large tape silos. |
| 21:47.08 | Wyzard | xingu: sounds cool |
| 21:47.15 | xingu | Wyzard: one of the differences between the hdd and tape robots is that some of the hdd units won't physically move hdd's into a loading slot; they'll just power on the disk. |
| 21:47.20 | Zeug | i just changed my font used in konqueror from helvetica to nimbus sans L, it doesn't seem to anti-alias helvetica |
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| 21:47.26 | Lacsi | hi |
| 21:47.28 | Wyzard | xingu: though I already have an internal RAID-5 of three 750GB SATA drives, and Linux can restripe RAID-5 arrays to add additional drives |
| 21:47.30 | Zeug | and now all i have to do is change my fonts used by icewm, and i should be all set |
| 21:47.59 | Lacsi | which file do one need to edit to start apache2 withOUT ssl support? (so to remove the -DSSL param) |
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| 21:48.21 | zepeuga | Wyzard, and witch application will make pci card become an AP ? |
| 21:48.29 | Insolit | dunno if this is a proper issue to report in this channel, but i've just configured apache, but it seems to be incorrectly setup, since my .cgi, instead of being executed are set to be downloaded |
| 21:48.36 | Insolit | how can i fix this? |
| 21:48.58 | Wyzard | Lacsi: -DSSL is a compile-time thing... do you need an Apache binary that completely lacks the ability to use SSL even if you wanted it to, or do you just not want to use the SSL support? |
| 21:49.15 | \amethyst | Insolit: Do you want this everywhere, or only in one particular directory? |
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| 21:49.27 | Wyzard | Insolit: By default CGI programs are only executed in the cgi-bin directory |
| 21:49.42 | Wyzard | Insolit: which is configured by the ScriptAlias directive in the apache config |
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| 21:49.58 | Zeug | anyways, today when i installed from a sarge minimal cd and was going through base-config, the install wanted to remove my kernel-image, but it didn't replace it with another one. bug? |
| 21:50.15 | malob | Hello I need help with my DVB-T USB Stick, dmesg says dvb-usb: no frontend was attached by 'Hauppauge Nova-T Stick'. What does it mean? |
| 21:50.25 | Lacsi | Wyzard: i want to save mem/footpring and probably cputime(?) by disabling it.. |
| 21:50.29 | Wyzard | zepeuga: dunno, I haven't done it myself... I just know that I've heard of some wireless cards supporting AP mode |
| 21:50.37 | zepeuga | ok |
| 21:50.37 | xingu | zepeuga: are you sure you want to do that? a real accesspoint will probably be cheaper and will definitely draw less power. |
| 21:50.49 | enouf | Zeug: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:51.11 | dalias | xingu, if the machine is running anyway, why not also use it as an access point? |
| 21:51.24 | dalias | that uses less power than having a second device also running |
| 21:51.25 | enouf | Zeug: the meta pkg, if not installed, causes issues |
| 21:51.29 | zepeuga | xingu, yes i have one that its a peace of crap in signal distance. And this way i can have fun configuring myself the nat and i can have more signal power |
| 21:51.30 | dalias | and it's more secure/configurable |
| 21:51.35 | \amethyst | Insolit: you need three things: 1. the .cgi must be executable. 2. you must use "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi". 3. The directory must have the ExecCGI Option turned on in the apache config. |
| 21:51.36 | Wyzard | Lacsi: SSL support is available but not loaded by default, so you already have what you want |
| 21:51.43 | |chiz| | does anyone here know if there is a url i can make that will open a compose message window to a certain email address for gmail? |
| 21:51.46 | \amethyst | Insolit: you might want to try #apache |
| 21:52.01 | Wyzard | Lacsi: To enable SSL you'd have to "a2enmod ssl" and restart apache, and to disable it you'd "a2dismod ssl" and restart apache again |
| 21:52.04 | xingu | dalias: layering is a good thing |
| 21:52.16 | Assid | okay great |
| 21:52.17 | dalias | xingu, ..? |
| 21:52.21 | Assid | i got 1 box working.. 1 not |
| 21:52.23 | Lacsi | Wyzard: I see. thanks |
| 21:52.34 | Zeug | enouf, i am using lilo. when i run that it tries to install grub. any way to just install the kernel-image? or is lilo being replaced by grub? |
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| 21:52.54 | _orian | I plan to install debian on a unit that currently has ubuntu with a separate home partition. Can I use this home partition with debian? |
| 21:52.57 | Assid | i get this all the time /usr/include/string.h:256: error: previous declaration of âstrerrorâ was here |
| 21:52.57 | Assid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.06 | \amethyst | |chiz|: http://www.rabidsquirrel.net/G-Mailto/ has info on how to do it |
| 21:53.06 | dalias | assid, fix your encoding.. |
| 21:53.17 | Wyzard | _orian: Yes, if you ensure that the users in your Debian installation have the same uids as the users in your Ubuntu installation |
| 21:53.19 | enouf | Zeug: see "4.5.5 Upgrading the kernel" and more here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 21:53.25 | Assid | dalias: irc encoding? |
| 21:53.27 | |chiz| | \amehyst: thanks |
| 21:53.28 | \amethyst | |chiz|: you don't need their program, search that page for "Compose Email" |
| 21:53.28 | dalias | your ‘ and ’ came thru as boxes |
| 21:53.39 | Zeug | enouf, thanks |
| 21:53.42 | Assid | yeah thats what i get in my console too |
| 21:53.46 | enouf | Zeug: default is grub .. yes |
| 21:53.47 | dalias | yeah in the error message, your quotes came thru bogus |
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| 21:53.49 | Wyzard | dalias: They came through as 'a' with '^' here |
| 21:53.49 | dalias | oh :) |
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| 21:53.56 | _orian | Wyzard, Thanks |
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| 21:54.09 | Assid | whatever that ‘ and ’ are |
| 21:54.09 | \amethyst | Assid: What are you trying to compile? |
| 21:54.13 | xingu | dalias: collapsed stacks (where all services are provided on a single device) provide only one partition; any failure becomes a critical loss of service. |
| 21:54.15 | rob1n | so is this the official debian channel, or the oftc one? |
| 21:54.17 | Assid | qmail |
| 21:54.24 | Wyzard | Assid: Unicode left and right single quotes |
| 21:54.28 | eheil | Hey just wondering. Waht's the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? B/c they seem tob e very similar and everything. Does Debian contribute to Unbuntoa nd vice versa? Just wondering. |
| 21:54.31 | rahul | rob1n: oftc is official |
| 21:54.33 | Zeug | does grub work better than lilo? |
| 21:54.36 | rob1n | rahul, ah |
| 21:54.36 | Assid | "tls.c:12: error: conflicting types for âstrerrorâ |
| 21:54.36 | Assid | " |
| 21:54.38 | \amethyst | Assid: and that error is one of a pair... it's a redeclaration, so there must be another one |
| 21:54.39 | karmatronic | Zeug: yes |
| 21:54.40 | xingu | dalias: sometimes it's not such a bad thing to separate routing from bridging from transit from application on discrete hardware. |
| 21:54.45 | \amethyst | Assid: okay, better |
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| 21:54.49 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 21:54.49 | Assid | Wyzard: how ? |
| 21:54.49 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:54.49 | rahul | Zeug: if it does, it does. if it doesn't, it doesn't. |
| 21:54.53 | rob1n | rahul, ironic that there are twice the amount of people on here |
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| 21:55.04 | rahul | rob1n: we're all cool like that |
| 21:55.13 | rahul | I bring the party |
| 21:55.15 | dalias | xingu, the system he wants to put the ap in is probably already the main router. if it's down you won't have service anyway |
| 21:55.15 | rob1n | rahul, heh |
| 21:55.17 | malob | Hello I need help with my DVB-T USB Stick, dmesg says dvb-usb: no frontend was attached by 'Hauppauge Nova-T Stick'. What does it mean? |
| 21:55.20 | intruder | is it me or iceweasel is unusable, so slow, it sometimes takes up to a complete minute to display a web page, and with the stumbleupon plugin which prefetch the next page, its even worst |
| 21:55.26 | Wyzard | Assid: I don't think the Linux console can display them, though most current X-based IRC clients should be able to |
| 21:55.28 | Assid | \amethyst: how do i find out ? |
| 21:55.36 | rahul | actually, if it weren't for me, lots of people wouldn't get to half the parties here |
| 21:55.43 | rahul | damn useless stoners, heh |
| 21:55.51 | wols_ | intruder: it's your machine. iceweasel is a mem hog however |
| 21:56.05 | xingu | dalias: exactly; and continuing down that path is an interesting choice but not always the best one. |
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| 21:56.11 | Assid | man i need to get this working so i can go to bed .. |
| 21:56.16 | intruder | wols_: but it used to be better no? |
| 21:56.29 | wols_ | intruder: no |
| 21:56.30 | Assid | \amethyst: how do i find out ? |
| 21:56.31 | intruder | i remember times of happiness using firefox |
| 21:56.36 | xingu | dalias: allowing services to partition layer by layer also allows you to build out path/application diversity as needed |
| 21:56.38 | dalias | xingu, its usually just about the only choice for a home or small office network, since getting multiple ips is not feasible |
| 21:56.38 | streuner | rahul: you shouldn't be too HARD to people who have the same mentality like you :-P |
| 21:56.43 | Insolit | \amethyst: thanks a lot i'll try that |
| 21:56.45 | wols_ | intruder: as I said: it's your machine |
| 21:56.45 | \amethyst | Assid: you pasted it, that's what the tls.c line was |
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| 21:56.47 | xingu | anyway |
| 21:56.48 | rahul | heh |
| 21:56.48 | EvilDin | hi, i mysqldump gentoo database (mysql version 5.0.26), and import it into debian mysql (5.0.32) and i have problems with charset, all utf-8 entries are bad (special chars: èžš ÈŽŠ), what am i doing wrong ? |
| 21:56.57 | rahul | I'm a functional alcoholic and stoner :P |
| 21:56.57 | streuner | "damn stoners" |
| 21:57.03 | \amethyst | Assid: If you google for "qmail" "conflicting types for strerror" you'll find some people that had the same problem |
| 21:57.04 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:57.10 | intruder | then i have a ram problem that i didnt have before |
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| 21:57.13 | dalias | evildin, gentoo? this is #debian.. |
| 21:57.17 | Assid | const char *strerror(int); thats the line |
| 21:57.19 | rahul | I have to be. otherwise, the party wouldn't be brought. |
| 21:57.22 | EvilDin | i imported into debian |
| 21:57.24 | Eclipser | EvilDin, #mysql ? |
| 21:57.26 | EvilDin | mysql |
| 21:57.27 | karmatronic | stoned,are you there ? |
| 21:57.32 | xingu | zepeuga: madwifi-ng (atheros chipsets) is about your only choice for 802.11g master mode. |
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| 21:57.39 | rahul | karmatronic: no, he's on the way to my place |
| 21:57.44 | wols_ | intruder: unlikely. it's the iceweasel config on your machine. start with a new ffox profile for example |
| 21:57.45 | karmatronic | ok |
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| 21:57.51 | wols_ | intruder: stuff like that |
| 21:57.54 | xingu | zepeuga: hostap is 802.11b only although it does work quite well |
| 21:57.56 | rahul | !penixstrike amonbish |
| 21:57.56 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking amonbish to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:57.57 | \amethyst | Assid: where did you get the qmail source? |
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| 21:58.05 | karmatronic | rahul: needed to ask a guitar recording question :) |
| 21:58.08 | EvilDin | does anyone have any idea why would this happen, is there sth wrong in a way i was doing that, do i need any special flags while resoring |
| 21:58.10 | intruder | ill try removing the .iceweasel |
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| 21:58.19 | rahul | karmatronic: ah, he'll be here in less than an hour |
| 21:58.36 | karmatronic | rahul: ok thanks.i ll google then |
| 21:58.39 | rahul | actually less than 1/2 hour probably |
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| 21:58.59 | rahul | karmatronic: #progpalaceradio on irc.diix.net is also good for these kinds of things |
| 21:59.08 | Insolit | \amethyst: but i have all that configured |
| 21:59.09 | rahul | karmatronic: a few musicians hang out there |
| 21:59.10 | karmatronic | rahul: let s see.. |
| 21:59.18 | Assid | \amethyst: netqmail with toaster patch.. |
| 21:59.21 | Assid | works on 1 box tho |
| 21:59.22 | rahul | dunno if any are watching the chan now, tho |
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| 22:00.08 | rahul | amonbish: arse. |
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| 22:02.09 | \amethyst | Assid: http://www.shupp.org/patches/tls.strerror.patch |
| 22:02.12 | xingu | zepeuga: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/AccessPointInterface , http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
| 22:02.23 | Assid | yeah jhust got that |
| 22:03.37 | Assid | gonna try another box too |
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| 22:04.43 | enouf | rahul: p a r t e y ? |
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| 22:04.55 | rahul | heh |
| 22:05.02 | rahul | debian release party in NYC |
| 22:05.13 | enouf | rahul: no .. when?> |
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| 22:05.22 | rahul | enouf: 7 |
| 22:05.34 | enouf | 7pm .. where? |
| 22:05.57 | rahul | west village, vol de nuit or something. 4th st near 6th ave. |
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| 22:06.05 | enouf | I'm 45 out |
| 22:06.21 | rahul | stoned and I probably wont get there till 9 |
| 22:06.23 | enouf | I know it .. |
| 22:06.29 | rahul | cool |
| 22:06.47 | rahul | we need name tags with our real names and our irc nicks :P |
| 22:07.04 | Assid | thanks \amethyst .. before i forget |
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| 22:07.17 | enouf | get out .. I'll be wearing the giant condom |
| 22:07.31 | mpil | hi, aynone how to configure NIC bonding under debian 4.0? |
| 22:08.11 | enouf | rahul: I'll doubt i'll make it .. floods .. but I could if i really had to |
| 22:08.42 | rahul | speaking of cool nametags |
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| 22:08.47 | rahul | oh |
| 22:08.52 | rahul | yeah, floods hrm |
| 22:09.06 | \amethyst | mpil: you need the ifenslave-2.6 package |
| 22:09.09 | rahul | enouf: where will you be wearing the condom? heh |
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| 22:09.15 | enouf | rahul: well .. PT sucks ass .. but works in these situations |
| 22:09.18 | rahul | http://flickr.com/photos/srichter/452134078/in/set-72157600058178662/ <- now those are cool nametags |
| 22:09.24 | rahul | enouf: yeah |
| 22:09.36 | rahul | enouf: but floods can affect subways |
| 22:09.46 | rahul | hope stoned figures that shit out... |
| 22:09.57 | rahul | \amethyst: look at those nametags ^ |
| 22:10.39 | enouf | rahul: yes , but not my trains, subways? .. meh .. walk the 40 blocks you lightweights |
| 22:10.55 | rahul | haha |
| 22:11.34 | \amethyst | rahul: saw those on Planet Lisp |
| 22:11.34 | rahul | \amethyst: yeah, they're cool :) |
| 22:11.34 | enouf | real men walk in the rain (or take a cab ;-) ) |
| 22:11.34 | rahul | heh |
| 22:11.42 | rahul | I'm 60 blocks away |
| 22:11.56 | rahul | well, wait, 4th is almost 14th there |
| 22:12.30 | enouf | rahul: damn .. really wish i knew sooner .. but .. maybe it's better this way ;-P |
| 22:12.31 | rahul | yeah, so it's like 55 |
| 22:12.37 | rahul | bah, wimp |
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| 22:12.48 | enouf | rahul: botchicks? |
| 22:12.57 | rahul | where? |
| 22:13.03 | enouf | there! |
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| 22:13.48 | rahul | karmatronic: er, it's irc.diix.org, sorry |
| 22:14.46 | mpil | \amethyst, I have already this package, the problem is, I think, I don't have the file /etc/modutils/aliases or /etc/modutils/action |
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| 22:15.13 | mpil | if you have a look at the howto, you can see that u need these configurations file in order to have nic bonding working |
| 22:15.42 | \amethyst | mpil: do you have the modutils package? |
| 22:15.56 | mpil | I check |
| 22:16.22 | \amethyst | mpil: never mind. |
| 22:16.28 | \amethyst | mpil: that's for kernel 2.4 |
| 22:16.59 | rahul | erg, this modass thing is an arse |
| 22:17.05 | rahul | self professed, too! |
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| 22:17.24 | markybob | rahul: you're probably just too high to understand how to use it |
| 22:17.31 | rahul | I'm not high :( |
| 22:17.36 | rahul | sucks |
| 22:18.45 | mpil | so where is the file actions ? |
| 22:18.51 | mpil | if I don't need it |
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| 22:19.27 | mpil | according to the howto, I should have a 'actions' file witht "probeall bond0 eth0 eth1 bonding" inside |
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| 22:19.40 | next | LOL |
| 22:19.44 | next | ROFL |
| 22:19.50 | enouf | or is it a BYBC |
| 22:19.51 | enouf | Von who? Eddie Von HAlen? |
| 22:19.51 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:19.51 | next | MENZ |
| 22:19.55 | rahul | !penixstrike next |
| 22:19.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking next to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:19.59 | enouf | !fix me |
| 22:19.59 | mpil | but I don't have this file :( |
| 22:20.01 | next | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.16 | mpil | It's on a IBM x3650 64 bits |
| 22:20.18 | \amethyst | mpil: add "bonding" to /etc/modules |
| 22:20.20 | next | WTF u talking about? |
| 22:20.21 | mpil | tg3 |
| 22:20.22 | rahul | enouf: bybc? von? |
| 22:20.29 | next | wisper me MENZ |
| 22:20.39 | next | :P |
| 22:20.46 | \amethyst | mpil: modprobe bonding to load it once for right now |
| 22:20.53 | next | yeah right |
| 22:21.01 | xand | beep |
| 22:21.14 | enouf | bring your own botchick rahul .. lag is not helping |
| 22:21.17 | next | kernel rulez MENZ |
| 22:21.20 | rahul | haha |
| 22:21.30 | rahul | enouf: my botchick is working |
| 22:21.39 | next | cool :P |
| 22:21.45 | rahul | oh wait, there's another |
| 22:21.47 | xand | speaking of high... |
| 22:21.54 | rahul | heh |
| 22:22.08 | next | heh |
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| 22:22.26 | next | so.... u guys have plans to night? |
| 22:22.30 | next | guys* |
| 22:22.45 | next | -.-! any 1? |
| 22:23.10 | next | -.-! u planless MENZ -.-! |
| 22:23.24 | rahul | I wish I didn't have plans |
| 22:23.30 | mpil | \amethyst, acutally I have the bonding module and the module interfaces. I put "alias" in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file, but if I check my ethernet card with ifconfig, the mac address of bond0 eth2 and eth3 are differents |
| 22:23.32 | rahul | I got wasted as hell last night |
| 22:23.38 | next | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.40 | rahul | must have had at least 10 strong drinks |
| 22:23.48 | next | so WTF u doing now here? |
| 22:23.53 | next | u need sleep at least |
| 22:23.58 | rahul | fuck sleep |
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| 22:24.02 | next | lolz |
| 22:24.09 | mpil | also, eth3 has an ip address 169.254.103.191 |
| 22:24.10 | rahul | I slept from 7 till 3 actually |
| 22:24.18 | next | well.. fuck+sleep or just fuck sleep lolz ^_^ |
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| 22:24.28 | rahul | yeah, I did haha |
| 22:24.31 | mpil | I don't know where it come from, there is no DHCP, it seems an automatic default ip address |
| 22:24.32 | next | ^_^ |
| 22:24.35 | EvilDin | hi, i have right chaset for databse in mysql, but when php try to get to it, makes some characters not the right one, any idea what would be the problem ? |
| 22:24.59 | next | well how it was? rahul :p |
| 22:25.01 | mpil | I think I need the 'actions' |
| 22:25.09 | rahul | damn, I think I could have had 3 girls last night... but ANYWAY. |
| 22:25.09 | mpil | I think I need the 'actions' file somewhere |
| 22:25.12 | \amethyst | mpil: Do you also have an iface eth3 line in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:25.14 | mpil | not sure ;( |
| 22:25.18 | next | well u can do u actions right away lolz |
| 22:25.35 | mpil | \amethyst no just bond0 |
| 22:25.35 | next | how many at was in fact? :P |
| 22:25.41 | next | 0?? ^_^ |
| 22:25.50 | \amethyst | mpil: were eth2 and eth3 up when you started? |
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| 22:26.12 | rahul | kelly got all dolled up last night |
| 22:26.15 | next | eth2 was started right before eth4 |
| 22:26.20 | next | lolz |
| 22:26.35 | mpil | \amethyst yes |
| 22:26.39 | next | so u was like/// ehrm.. k\missed up u know? |
| 22:26.46 | \amethyst | mpil: With IP addresses? that could be the problem |
| 22:26.57 | mpil | \amethyst no ip for eth2 and this ip for eth3 |
| 22:27.03 | next | 127.0.0.1 this is correct 1 IP :P |
| 22:27.08 | mpil | \amethyst 169.254.103.191 |
| 22:27.20 | mpil | seems a default ip address |
| 22:27.31 | rahul | 169? that doesn't seem default |
| 22:27.38 | rahul | mpil: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:27.55 | \amethyst | Hmm.. I wonder if that is avahi/zeroconf crap |
| 22:28.03 | next | hey rahul.. |
| 22:28.08 | next | what about girls? ^_^ |
| 22:28.18 | mpil | rahul there is just bond0 configured |
| 22:28.34 | \amethyst | mpil: try ifdown bond0 eth3; ifup bond0 |
| 22:29.03 | next | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.55 | mpil | "ifdown: eth2 not configured" |
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| 22:30.19 | mpil | (it's eth2 and not eth3 with the ip, but it's the same) |
| 22:30.32 | \amethyst | mpil: ifconfig eth2 down manually then |
| 22:30.34 | mpil | but it's configured because if I do an ifconfig, I can see eth2 with the ip address |
| 22:30.56 | next | lolz seems u guys dead allready -.-! |
| 22:31.50 | mpil | \amethyst it works but when I do ifup bond0, eth2 is not there |
| 22:32.01 | mpil | and I need it for channem bonding |
| 22:32.05 | mpil | channel |
| 22:32.31 | \amethyst | mpil: could you put your /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin ? |
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| 22:32.55 | mpil | I really think that I need the line in the 'actions' file somewhere "probeall bond0 eth2 eth3 bonding", in order to connect bond0 with eth2 or eth3 |
| 22:33.20 | \amethyst | mpil: that's not what that line does |
| 22:33.27 | mpil | I can take a screenshot, I'm configuring the server in remote with a RSA2 card |
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| 22:33.41 | \amethyst | mpil: that line says to probe the modules for bond0 eth2 eth3 and bonding on boot |
| 22:33.45 | Sivik | how do i use dd to convert a file from a .trx to a .bin |
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| 22:33.50 | mpil | a ok |
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| 22:34.25 | \amethyst | Sivik: what is .trx? |
| 22:34.35 | \amethyst | the phone recorder? |
| 22:34.41 | \amethyst | for that matter, what is .bin ? |
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| 22:34.49 | Sivik | its for a firmware and a bin is for firmware as well |
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| 22:36.30 | \amethyst | Sivik: google suggests that .trx has a 28-byte header |
| 22:36.45 | Sivik | ok |
| 22:37.08 | \amethyst | Sivik: so dd bs=1 skip=28 if=foo of=bar |
| 22:37.22 | Sivik | yeah,i will try that |
| 22:38.01 | next | hey :) |
| 22:38.06 | next | lolz |
| 22:38.07 | next | :) |
| 22:38.08 | \amethyst | Sivik: also trx pads out to a multiple of 4 bytes, so there might be an extra byte or three at the end, but that shouldn't hurt anything |
| 22:38.21 | \amethyst | Sivik: most images would be a multiple of 4 bytes anyway |
| 22:38.44 | xsdg | so, it seems that locales in unstable (2.5-2) is broken, but that the one in experimental (2.5-0exp6) isn't; anyone else encountered this yet? |
| 22:39.40 | |chiz| | I found a nice python script that handle mailto:e-mail_address as a parameter and opens a gmail compose window for you |
| 22:40.22 | simonrvn | xsdg: stick it on hold |
| 22:40.25 | \amethyst | xsdg: yes, locales and glibc are out of sync in the repository (except for amd64). Either use locales-all instead, or install locales 2.5-1 from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 22:40.59 | \amethyst | or hold it if you already have locales_2.5-1 |
| 22:41.06 | mpil | \amethyst sorry I can give a snapshot, I can do ftp ftom here and paste doesn't work (sql error whan I try to commit) |
| 22:41.07 | mpil | but |
| 22:41.26 | xsdg | simonrvn, \amethyst: thanks |
| 22:41.32 | mpil | I don't have the line with ifenslave |
| 22:41.37 | mpil | in interfaces |
| 22:41.50 | \amethyst | mpil: up ifenslave bond0 eth2 eth3 ? |
| 22:41.51 | mpil | maybe it's this |
| 22:41.57 | mpil | yes |
| 22:42.04 | \amethyst | mpil: yes, that's what tells it to do the bonding when you bring up bond0 :) |
| 22:42.14 | mpil | because I have another debian linux (3.1) where it works without this line |
| 22:42.31 | xsdg | simonrvn, \amethyst: will installing the locales from experimental break things (that is, is it looking for something that's not the latest libc6 in unstable, even though the virtual dependency seems to match?) |
| 22:42.33 | mpil | I try |
| 22:42.34 | \amethyst | mpil: possibly ifenslave works differently in sarge |
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| 22:43.02 | devsforev | Does anyone here use deborphan? I was just curious about how "safe" it is to remove the packages it lists |
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| 22:43.48 | streuner | Debian comes with no warranty :-P |
| 22:44.00 | streuner | !tell devsforev about deborphan |
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| 22:44.36 | devsforev | streuner: thanks for the help ;) |
| 22:44.40 | \amethyst | mpil: aha, the config has changed |
| 22:44.53 | mpil | config? |
| 22:45.02 | jelly-home | devsforev: deborphan is usually pretty safe. unlike debfoster. |
| 22:45.08 | \amethyst | mpil: I think now it wants you to have slaves eth2 eth3 instead of the up and down lines |
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| 22:45.19 | \amethyst | mpil: the package now has an if-{up,down}.d/ifenslave script |
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| 22:45.46 | mpil | yes, so what I have to add? |
| 22:45.52 | mpil | just "slaves bond0 eth2 eth3" |
| 22:45.59 | mpil | ? |
| 22:46.06 | \amethyst | mpil: slaves eth2 eth3 in the iface bond0 section |
| 22:46.37 | mpil | ok I will try this |
| 22:46.44 | devsforev | jelly-home: Excellent. I'm just don't wanna hose my server :-D |
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| 22:50.12 | mpil | \amethys it works ! thanks a lot, if you come in new zealand one day remember me to pay you a couples of beer ;) |
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| 22:50.28 | \amethyst | mpil: :) cool |
| 22:50.45 | \amethyst | mpil: make sure it works properly when you reboot |
| 22:51.07 | mpil | ok I will try now |
| 22:51.18 | cartesian1984 | Is there a repo with newer kernels? |
| 22:51.21 | cartesian1984 | Experimental stuff? |
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| 22:53.00 | xsdg | is there a way to tell aptitude that I know what I'm doing, so it will go ahead and install stuff even though it predicts that stuff will break? |
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| 22:53.44 | Sivik | xsdg: use apt-get reather than aptitude |
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| 22:53.50 | Thorrn4 | hello, Im tryin to get java and flash to work on my fresh-install of Debian 4, but everythin Ive tried has not worked. I installed "sun-java5-jre" "sun-java5-bin" "swf-player" "flash-plugin" and "libflash-mozplugin", but either of them are working. Ive even tried 2 install Flash and Java from alien'd RPM files |
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| 22:53.57 | xsdg | Sivik: so "no." ok. |
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| 22:54.05 | \amethyst | xsdg: What kind of breakage is it predicting? |
| 22:54.13 | Sivik | Thorrn4: flashplayer-nonfree, look for that |
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| 22:54.54 | wols_ | xsdg: dpkg however can be convinced to |
| 22:54.56 | enouf | cartesian1984: ofcourse there is |
| 22:55.08 | Thorrn4 | Sivik, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 22:55.14 | \amethyst | xsdg: I missed your earlier question... don't use locales from experimental |
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| 22:55.59 | xsdg | \amethyst: ok, and it's definitely going to break; I just want aptitude to break things so I can clean up afterward (namely, by installing locales 2.5-1 manually) |
| 22:56.20 | Sivik | Thorrn: are you already running something thats installing something |
| 22:56.33 | Sivik | Thorrn: try doing an aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:56.36 | cartesian1984 | enouf: whereabouts? |
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| 22:57.13 | RvGaTe | what package contains "nslookup" ? |
| 22:57.20 | Thorrn4 | Sivik, b4 I was, but it keeps breaking |
| 22:57.28 | \amethyst | RvGaTe: dnsutils |
| 22:57.35 | enouf | cartesian1984: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel {sid,trunk} main |
| 22:57.46 | \amethyst | xsdg: I'm not sure I understand... why do you want to break it exactly? Can't you install locales_2.5-1 first? |
| 22:57.47 | cartesian1984 | enouf: thanks immensely. |
| 22:57.48 | Thorrn4 | Sivik, cant use aptitude b/c the repos are locked |
| 22:57.57 | RvGaTe | \amethyst, thank you |
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| 22:58.05 | Thorrn4 | is there anyway I can unlock the repos? |
| 22:58.21 | \amethyst | Thorrn4: aptitude search should still work even with that warning |
| 22:58.23 | xsdg | \amethyst: no; it's a circular dependency (locales depends on a virtual package provided by the new libc6) |
| 22:58.52 | enouf | cartesian1984: see #debian-kernel on oftc.net for anything else related |
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| 22:59.13 | \amethyst | xsdg: so install locales_2.5-1 and libc6_2.5-1 at the same time with dpkg -i |
| 22:59.18 | Thorrn4 | \amethyst, nope, doesnt work |
| 22:59.22 | xsdg | \amethyst: I ended up just temporarily breaking things by removing locales and then installing it afterward |
| 22:59.37 | garotosopa | Hi. I've been using etch for some months. If want to stay on the testing branch, should I just change "etch" to "lenny" in the sources.list? |
| 22:59.39 | markybob | Thorrn4: actually be root or kill the process that's already running. not that hard |
| 22:59.43 | \amethyst | Thorrn4: Are you currently running aptitude or apt-get or something somewhere else? |
| 22:59.44 | mpil | \amethyst really strange, when I reboot I have the same MAC for bond0, eth2 and eth3, bond is well configured but I still have this strange IP address for eth2. And everything seems ok in 'interfaces' |
| 23:00.07 | mpil | \amethyst I wonder when it come from ... I will grep this ip address in /etc |
| 23:00.15 | \amethyst | mpil: do you have avahi-daemon installed ? |
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| 23:00.28 | Thorrn4 | \amethyst, aptitude was runnin, ty I killed it |
| 23:00.39 | mpil | no idea, I will check, the box is rebooting |
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| 23:01.21 | Thorrn4 | Sivik, aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree brings up nothing |
| 23:02.07 | EvilDin | why do have php5 problem reading utf-8 characters ' |
| 23:02.07 | EvilDin | in database |
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| 23:02.50 | mpil2 | grrr |
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| 23:03.11 | \amethyst | EvilDin: mysql? |
| 23:03.17 | Insolit | anyone here configured a geforce go 7200 in debian? |
| 23:03.18 | EvilDin | yes |
| 23:03.23 | mpil2 | \amethyst what's the name of the package? |
| 23:03.23 | \amethyst | EvilDin: does this info help http://adviesenzo.nl/examples/php_mysql_charset_fix/ |
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| 23:03.44 | \amethyst | mpil2: avahi-autoipd or avahi-daemon ? |
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| 23:03.56 | mpil2 | ok I check |
| 23:04.03 | Thorrn4 | \amethyst, could u help me with this problem, "aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree" brings up nothing |
| 23:04.20 | idiocrash | hey, I'm running Etch on my Lenovo thinkpad. is there a package i can install to get wifi working? |
| 23:04.23 | \amethyst | Thorrn4: do you have non-free and contrib in your sources.list? |
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| 23:05.12 | maddash | idiocrash: depends on your wifi card |
| 23:05.17 | xsdg | idiocrash: T60? |
| 23:05.34 | Thorrn4 | \amethyst, Im going to add it now |
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| 23:05.47 | idiocrash | xsdg: I wish. I'm running a z61t |
| 23:05.59 | mpil2 | \amethyst I have avahi-daomon I will try to uninstall it |
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| 23:06.15 | xsdg | idiocrash: hmm... what wifi card? (listed in `lspci`?) |
| 23:06.35 | idiocrash | xsdg: sorry, kinda new. what is lspci? |
| 23:07.01 | xsdg | idiocrash: `foo` means "run the command 'foo'" |
| 23:07.02 | mpil2 | \amethyst I reboot... |
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| 23:07.09 | idiocrash | k |
| 23:07.13 | xsdg | idiocrash: `man lspci` will answer your question |
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| 23:07.52 | idiocrash | ok, I have an Atheros ABG card |
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| 23:08.06 | xsdg | idiocrash: can you paste the line from lspci? |
| 23:08.19 | \amethyst | mpil2: actually, it might be "zeroconf" as well |
| 23:08.23 | xsdg | (more specifically, the model number is the important thing) |
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| 23:09.06 | idiocrash | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
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| 23:09.59 | idiocrash | btw, the power light for my wifi is off (bluetooth light is on though) |
| 23:10.09 | idiocrash | but I'm not sure if that means anything |
| 23:10.43 | nvz | idiocrash: the power light? |
| 23:10.46 | Thorrn4 | \amethyst, ty flash is working, but java is still not working, how can I get 2 work? |
| 23:10.47 | idiocrash | yes |
| 23:10.55 | ratzon | Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me. I just installed Debian 4 today, and copying files from my DVD drive (I've tried with multiple CDs and DVDs) brings my system to a crawl. I tried copying with "cp" and with Konqueror, it's better with cp than Konq, but still very slow. The HD is SATA, and I'm not sure what the DVD drive's connection type is |
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| 23:11.06 | nvz | idiocrash: I've never seen a "power light" on a NIC before |
| 23:11.09 | xsdg | idiocrash: according to the following website, you want madwifi: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html |
| 23:11.19 | mpil2 | \amethyst always the ip addresss ... :( |
| 23:11.27 | \amethyst | mpil2: is zeroconf installed? |
| 23:11.31 | Kevin` | ratzon sounds like dma is disabled on the cd drive |
| 23:11.36 | xsdg | nvz: it's usually just a send/receive blinking dealie |
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| 23:11.48 | \amethyst | Thorrn4: aptitude install sun-java5-plugin |
| 23:11.48 | mfrisch | nvz: you don't got a switch on your nic? |
| 23:11.51 | nvz | xsdg: yeah thats not a power light.. is what I am getting at |
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| 23:12.03 | nvz | mfrisch: yeah I got a 4 port switch on it :P |
| 23:12.06 | adu | hi |
| 23:12.09 | ratzon | Kevin`: I was thinking something like that, how would I go about fixing it? |
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| 23:12.26 | idiocrash | xsdg: can I apt-get that? |
| 23:12.26 | Kevin` | ratzon moment, installing the program on this computer |
| 23:12.27 | adu | is there any way to fix my system? |
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| 23:13.06 | Kevin` | ratzon hdparm -d 1 /dev/whatever |
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| 23:13.09 | xsdg | idiocrash: it looks like you can grab the source from apt-get and then build it yourself |
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| 23:13.25 | xsdg | idiocrash: `apt-cache search madwifi` |
| 23:13.27 | idiocrash | xsdg: need to add any repositories? |
| 23:13.31 | mpil2 | \amethyst no, but in/etc/networks I have a line with "link-local 169.254. |
| 23:13.34 | mpil2 | \amethyst no, but in/etc/networks I have a line with "link-local 169.254.0.0" |
| 23:13.50 | mpil2 | \amethyst maybe I should delete this line? |
| 23:13.51 | xsdg | idiocrash: looks like it's in non-free |
| 23:13.52 | \amethyst | mpil2: yes, that's to be expected |
| 23:13.54 | \amethyst | mpil2: no |
| 23:13.54 | nvz | xsdg: the light in no way indicates power. only thing I seen remotly close to such a thing is on Compaq/HP laptops that have a button to enable/disable the built-in wifi adapter.. but its still not really a power light as the device always has power.. nics usually have power even when the system is off in most cases |
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| 23:14.07 | xsdg | nvz: ranting at the wrong person :o) |
| 23:14.11 | Thorrn4 | ty ty \amethyst |
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| 23:14.49 | idiocrash | btw, what is 'hostapd'? |
| 23:14.53 | \amethyst | mpil2: though you might want to look for the string "link-local" in the files under /etc/network/ |
| 23:15.28 | nvz | idiocrash: wild guess its a daemon for hosting access points... |
| 23:15.34 | idiocrash | k |
| 23:15.36 | nvz | and I have no idea, its just a guess |
| 23:15.47 | nvz | !hostapd |
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| 23:15.54 | nvz | no factoids on that one :P |
| 23:16.14 | mfrisch | chillispot is a good ap software |
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| 23:16.37 | rahul | !hostap |
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| 23:16.51 | rahul | bah. I'm taking a nap |
| 23:17.00 | nvz | looks like it |
| 23:17.02 | mfrisch | rahul: enjoy |
| 23:17.14 | xipietotec | Question.... does anyone know if the deb http://debian.uhoreg.ca/ unstable main/gnustep repository is still valid? I'm looking for a repository for gnustep unstable |
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| 23:17.25 | Wyzard | idiocrash: "host" means a computer -- hostapd is for using a PC with a wireless card as an access point |
| 23:17.50 | nvz | lucky guess.. |
| 23:18.04 | mpil2 | \amethyst there is nothing in /etc/* (grep -R), I have the daemon dhcdbd and NetworkManager running, I have no idea what it is |
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| 23:18.17 | \amethyst | mpil2: it's networkmanager doing it I bet |
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| 23:18.43 | Wyzard | networkManager assigns link-local addresses when it can't get a real IP from DHCP |
| 23:19.15 | xsdg | idiocrash: I have to take off; http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo seems to have fairly decent instructions |
| 23:19.35 | nvz | oooo, take it all off, xsdg :P |
| 23:19.42 | \amethyst | aha |
| 23:19.42 | nvz | nooo... put it back on.. heh |
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| 23:20.31 | mpil2 | \amethyst Wyzard, Should I shutdown networkmanager ? |
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| 23:20.33 | \amethyst | networkmanager ignores devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces, but since eth2 and eth3 no longer have their own entries... |
| 23:20.43 | \amethyst | mpil2: disable it entirely unless you need it |
| 23:21.06 | \amethyst | mpil2: there's probably some way to tell it to ignore specific devices |
| 23:21.29 | Wyzard | mpil2: What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 23:22.08 | mpil2 | Wyzard trying to configure NIC bonding |
| 23:22.20 | mpil2 | how can I disable networkmanager properly ? |
| 23:22.33 | Wyzard | mpil2: Uninstall network-manager if you're not using it |
| 23:22.40 | mpil2 | ok |
| 23:22.49 | Wyzard | mpil2: but there's no harm in having it installed; it ignores interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:23.07 | ratzon | Kevin`: I get: |
| 23:23.14 | ratzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.14 | ratzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.17 | \amethyst | Wyzard: the problem is he's bonding eth2 and eth3 into bond0 |
| 23:23.28 | \amethyst | Wyzard: so eth2 and eth3 *aren't* listed in interfaces... |
| 23:23.58 | Wyzard | then add them... iface eth2 inet manual |
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| 23:24.13 | Wyzard | basically a do-nothing that makes NM keep its hands off |
| 23:24.21 | mpil2 | I have removed network-manager, I'm rebooting the box |
| 23:24.27 | Wyzard | You don't need to reboot |
| 23:24.35 | \amethyst | aha, manual |
| 23:24.43 | mpil2 | it's to be sure, it's a production server ;) |
| 23:24.56 | \amethyst | Wyzard: he's testing to make sure things work property when it reboots in the future |
| 23:25.10 | \amethyst | Wyzard: I didn't know about manual, thanks |
| 23:25.16 | Lord_Devi | If I accidentally upgraded to lenny today from etch, is there a way to dist downgrade back to etch fully? |
| 23:25.33 | Wyzard | Lord_Devi: downgrades aren't supported |
| 23:25.38 | mpil2 | this box is supposed to control the billing system of NZ telecom so I have to be sure that it works properly ;) |
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| 23:25.55 | Lord_Devi | Does that mean it's not possible..? |
| 23:26.13 | Wyzard | \amethyst: OK, that makes sense if everything else is configured and it's just a final test... just pointing out that it's not necessary to reboot just because NM was uninstalled |
| 23:26.23 | cafuego | mpil2: If they complain, tell them the alternative is using a copy of what Telstra use. |
| 23:26.41 | cafuego | That should shut them up. |
| 23:26.49 | mpil2 | lol |
| 23:26.59 | EvilDin | can be mysql_query("SET NAMES 'utf8'"); repleaced by and defualt setting in php or myslq |
| 23:27.03 | Wyzard | Lord_Devi: You could look in your aptitude log to find out what specific packages got upgraded, and manually install the older versions of those, and it might work |
| 23:27.30 | Wyzard | Lord_Devi: but it might not -- packages aren't designed for downgrading, and there might have been other changes made (such as updating config files) that won't be reversed by reinstalling the older versions |
| 23:27.43 | mpil2 | \amethyst the IP address is not there, it should be ok ... testing internet now |
| 23:27.53 | Lord_Devi | Wyzard: Well I think I actually have managed that step already, However I'm thinking of like /etc/debian-version. I don't know what the proper text to go in there was, or if that is the only other thing i should think about or not. |
| 23:28.11 | cafuego | EvilDin: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-connection.html |
| 23:28.18 | Lord_Devi | Wyzard: Ah yeah ok, good point. Thanks |
| 23:28.25 | Wyzard | Lord_Devi: If you want to be certain you're running pure etch, you should reinstall |
| 23:28.32 | mpil2 | hu hu it works |
| 23:28.47 | Lord_Devi | Wyzard: Yeah that's the option I think I am electing. Thanks for your advice. |
| 23:28.50 | mpil2 | Thanks \amethyst Wyzard |
| 23:29.10 | Wyzard | Lord_Devi: but FWIW, etch's /etc/debian_version says "4.0" |
| 23:29.13 | mpil2 | I should write an howto now about how to configure NIC bonding under debian 4.0 ;) |
| 23:29.17 | EvilDin | cafuego: http://nopaste.com/p/a7dQe2Fbs |
| 23:29.28 | EvilDin | i have set everything to utf-8 |
| 23:29.49 | EvilDin | but still php don't show utf8 charcs from mysql fine |
| 23:30.02 | Kevin` | someone should write a howto about how to configure ebtables |
| 23:30.35 | ratzon | Kevin`: so any ideas? |
| 23:30.35 | |chiz| | what is a good channel to get help with fixing suspend? |
| 23:30.43 | cafuego | EvilDin: Are you converting the data to html elements in PHP? |
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| 23:30.49 | \amethyst | EvilDin: just to make sure, does it work if you have php issue the SET NAMES ? |
| 23:31.00 | EvilDin | nope |
| 23:31.12 | \amethyst | EvilDin: How doesn't it work, exactly? |
| 23:31.14 | cafuego | EvilDin: You need to convert the striong IN php. |
| 23:31.22 | Kevin` | ratzon you could possibly be using a generic driver that doesn't want to use dma, but I think the generic ide driver DOES support dma.. |
| 23:31.37 | ratzon | well |
| 23:31.41 | EvilDin | if i use mysql_query("SET NAMES 'utf8'"); before each query characters are shown ok |
| 23:31.49 | ratzon | as I said above, I don't think it is IDE |
| 23:31.50 | EvilDin | else ways they are not |
| 23:31.58 | \amethyst | EvilDin: so in your mysqld.conf |
| 23:32.00 | Kevin` | the cdrom isn't ide? |
| 23:32.05 | Kevin` | is this a laptop or something? |
| 23:32.06 | ratzon | well, I'm not sure |
| 23:32.07 | EvilDin | what |
| 23:32.07 | ratzon | yes |
| 23:32.09 | ratzon | it's new |
| 23:32.14 | ratzon | and the HD is definitly SATA |
| 23:32.20 | Kevin` | an that's possible I suppose then |
| 23:32.22 | cafuego | EvilDin: $string = htmlentities($string, ENT_NOQUOTES, "UTF-8"); |
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| 23:32.47 | \amethyst | EvilDin: in the [mysqld] section of my.cnf try init_connect='SET NAMES utf8' |
| 23:32.49 | Wyzard | ratzon: if it's SATA I don't think you need to manually enable DMA |
| 23:33.04 | ratzon | Wyzard: okay, but then how do I fix the copying files locks up my computer problem? |
| 23:33.16 | Wyzard | dunno about that though |
| 23:33.19 | \amethyst | EvilDin: that will make mysqld run that command at the beginning of every connection |
| 23:33.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 23:33.53 | Kevin` | that's exatly the behavior I get whenever I feel the need to force pio modes on soemthing |
| 23:34.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me what's wrong here? http://paste.debian.net/25713 |
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| 23:34.17 | Wyzard | My laptop has an IDE drive connected to a SATA controller (i.e. it's treated as a SATA drive by the system, but it's actually speaking the legacy IDE protocol) and I didn't have to do any special DMA stuff on that |
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| 23:34.34 | Wyzard | nor with the native SATA DVD burner in my desktop |
| 23:34.59 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: what are you compiling, and where did you get the source? |
| 23:35.03 | idiocrash | java is RAD! |
| 23:35.08 | dmilith | Dark_Apostrophe: why are you using static libs? /usr/lib/libmpeg2.a ? |
| 23:35.10 | EvilDin | \amethyst: yupi it works now, but how the hell on gentoo was working without his setting |
| 23:35.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: libdvdcss |
| 23:35.18 | EvilDin | *this |
| 23:35.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: And svn.. |
| 23:35.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmilith: No idea |
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| 23:35.32 | sosko | hi all |
| 23:35.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmilith: Am I? :/ |
| 23:35.45 | dmilith | Dark_Apostrophe: where did you get those libmppeg2 lib? |
| 23:35.53 | dmilith | self compiled one/ |
| 23:35.54 | dmilith | ? |
| 23:35.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dunno. |
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| 23:36.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe... I recompiled ffmpeg some time ago |
| 23:36.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Due to Gnash errors |
| 23:36.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's maybe why. |
| 23:36.26 | dmilith | maybe try to figure out how You could make dynamic library.. some of apps wouldn't compile with static libs |
| 23:36.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't even know if it belongs to ffmpeg or if it's a debian package... |
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| 23:37.04 | dmilith | maybe You should recompile that lib with dynamic option? or just try to find out already compiled package with .so (shared object) library |
| 23:37.14 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: what does dpkg -l libmpeg2-4-dev say? |
| 23:37.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | No packages found matching libmpeg2-4-dev. |
| 23:37.59 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: So where did /usr/lib/libmpeg2.a come from? |
| 23:38.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dunno... ffmpeg maybe? |
| 23:38.09 | dmilith | dpkg -l libmpeg-dev ? |
| 23:38.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching libmpeg-dev |
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| 23:38.31 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libmpeg2.a it might take a while |
| 23:38.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | not found. |
| 23:39.09 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have /usr/lib/libmpeg2.so ? |
| 23:39.12 | Kevin` | !find lib/libmpeg2.a |
| 23:39.12 | dmilith | \amethyst: afair there is no static library like that in any packages.. |
| 23:39.15 | reiser2 | mfrisch: hi |
| 23:39.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/libmpeg2.a' (1): (/usr/lib/libmpeg2.a) in libdevel/libmpeg2-4-dev. |
| 23:39.26 | mfrisch | reiser2: hey |
| 23:39.36 | reiser2 | what happen with psi? |
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| 23:39.45 | mfrisch | reiser2: did my server let you on...I sent you a email |
| 23:39.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | kobra:/home/darkapostrophe# ls /usr/lib/ | grep libmpeg2.so |
| 23:39.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | libmpeg2.so |
| 23:39.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | libmpeg2.so.0 |
| 23:39.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | libmpeg2.so.0.0.0 |
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| 23:40.00 | reiser2 | hummm |
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| 23:40.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry about that |
| 23:40.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | My bad |
| 23:40.29 | mfrisch | reiser2: well check and see if my site is up mfrisch.hopto.org |
| 23:40.37 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: so where did those come from if you don't have libmpeg2-4-dev ? |
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| 23:40.53 | dmilith | ;f good question.. |
| 23:40.58 | billboforealdoe | I need help getting sound on my computer. its a kernel problem because when acpi is off it works. I need alternate options |
| 23:40.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: No idea... I often compile stuff I can't find packages for. |
| 23:41.10 | dmilith | and why you have both dynamically linked and statically ;f |
| 23:41.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Does it belong to ffmpeg? |
| 23:41.14 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: When you do that, don't install into /usr/bin |
| 23:41.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cause I recall compiling that |
| 23:41.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Why not? |
| 23:41.25 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: you should install that stuff into /usr/local |
| 23:41.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Ok, but why? |
| 23:41.44 | coolzone | Hi all! :-) When I search the packages from the website, I see the package "fop" in all versions. Its in testing as well. But when I try to install it via aptitude or apt-get it says the package doesn't exsist. I am using ftp.debian.org as my repos for testing. What could be wrong here? |
| 23:41.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just to be able to tell the difference? |
| 23:41.54 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: Because if they do appear in debian later, you don't want apt-get upgrade messing up your local stuff |
| 23:42.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | I see... |
| 23:42.05 | coolzone | Sorry about my writting, I am talking about package "fop" |
| 23:42.07 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: so that it a) doesn't overlap with packages, b) complies with FHS (basically same as a) |
| 23:42.11 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: /usr/local is explicitly reserved for sysadmin. dpkg and apt-get won't touch it |
| 23:42.16 | reiser2 | mfrisch: i can't see you |
| 23:42.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, maybe that's where I screwed up, cause I usually use --prefix=/usr |
| 23:42.29 | \amethyst | Well, they will, if someone makes a broken package with /usr/local |
| 23:42.40 | reiser2 | give me your jabber id |
| 23:42.42 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: never use prefix=/usr ;-) |
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| 23:42.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I won't from now on |
| 23:42.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I've done it so far... |
| 23:42.59 | mfrisch | reiser2: just emailed it to you |
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| 23:43.12 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: Try installing the libmpeg2-4-dev package, then reconfiguring and recompiling the thing you're working on now |
| 23:43.15 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: unless you're making local packages, that is |
| 23:43.20 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: you might have to remove config.cache |
| 23:43.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Is it in etch? |
| 23:43.26 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: yes |
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| 23:44.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Done, re-trying a compilation |
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| 23:46.22 | is_null | hello everybody, is there any way to have a debian netinstall cd with more ethernet drivers please ? sarge netinstall doesn't has the required module |
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| 23:46.46 | is_null | i meant : is there anywhere to download it please ? i don't really want to do it myself |
| 23:46.48 | dondelelcaro | is_null: have you tried the etch install? |
| 23:47.50 | dmilith | anyone knows where could i find etch backports? |
| 23:48.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn - another error |
| 23:48.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/25717 |
| 23:48.32 | is_null | dondelelcaro: nope, what kernel is it using ? |
| 23:48.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst, dmilith: Can you help me out with that one too, please? |
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| 23:50.02 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have libpostproc-dev ? |
| 23:50.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 23:50.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Installing now |
| 23:50.39 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: ffmpeg is in debian, you might do well to install the debian versions of all that stuff |
| 23:50.54 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: likewise libavcodec-dev |
| 23:50.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: No I can't. |
| 23:51.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | The Debian version doesn't work well with Gnash. |
| 23:51.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Youtube videos don't work. |
| 23:51.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | At least, they didn't last time I tried the Debian version. |
| 23:51.56 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: so the gnash in debian doesn't work with the ffmpeg from debian? |
| 23:52.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, Gnash from cvs |
| 23:52.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | The gnash in debian doesn't do youtube one way or another |
| 23:52.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Both are outdated.. |
| 23:52.26 | is_null | dondelelcaro: where is it from ftp.free.fr/mirror/ftp.debian.org/ please ? i can't figure it out :s |
| 23:52.40 | tulio | would etch run fast at a old mac 7200? |
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| 23:53.02 | dondelelcaro | is_null: debian.org/CD; |
| 23:53.15 | dondelelcaro | tulio: it would run, but that computer is not particularly fast. |
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| 23:54.19 | tulio | which would the best be for my case then? |
| 23:55.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, brilliant - Another error... |
| 23:55.25 | is_null | dondelelcaro: thanks, but the only mirror from which i have speed is my isp's |
| 23:55.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | There's no end in sight... |
| 23:55.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/25718 |
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| 23:56.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst, dmilith: This is a real pain in the arse... |
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| 23:57.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never mind, I think I got this one myself |
| 23:58.06 | tulio | which would be the best linux for a old macintosh 7200? |
| 23:58.50 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: qt4-dev? |
| 23:59.21 | a1fa | tulio : debian |
| 23:59.22 | a1fa | ;P |
| 23:59.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Oh crap... I installed qt3-designer |
