| 00:00.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Actually, that's installed. :/ |
| 00:00.23 | crazy_penguin | 'night all! |
| 00:00.43 | tulio | a1fa really? debian kde base install uses 120mb ram :p |
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| 00:01.58 | bzed | tulio: won't you need to do dirty tricks to get thos old macs into booting linux? |
| 00:02.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Nope, installing qt3-designer didn't help |
| 00:02.30 | dondelelcaro | is_null: well, you're going to be downloading all of 110M; surely you can download it from a mirror which is actually pu to date. |
| 00:02.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: And I already had libqt4-dev installed |
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| 00:02.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Any other ideas? |
| 00:02.47 | craftsman | help |
| 00:02.52 | cafuego | tulio: If you plan on running KDE on a 7200 you're insane |
| 00:02.54 | dondelelcaro | bzed: not really; you just use bootx or quik |
| 00:02.55 | craftsman | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 00:02.57 | craftsman | :s |
| 00:03.02 | cafuego | bzed: just BootX will do |
| 00:03.02 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: is /usr/bin/uic the qt3 or qt4 version? |
| 00:03.13 | dondelelcaro | !b-e craftsman |
| 00:03.13 | dpkg | craftsman: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 00:03.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: How do I check+ |
| 00:03.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | ?* |
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| 00:03.32 | daeos | quick question, how would i restart vsFTPd ? |
| 00:03.47 | daeos | man vsftpd didn't say anything about how to restart the server |
| 00:03.48 | dondelelcaro | daeos: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart; |
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| 00:03.56 | daeos | dondelelcaro: thanks man |
| 00:04.01 | dondelelcaro | (the same way you restart any daemon) |
| 00:04.06 | craftsman | ok |
| 00:04.11 | doubleMike | daeos, caution with anonymous account |
| 00:04.18 | Ciantic | Can I update to Etch from Sarge somehow? |
| 00:04.24 | craftsman | :p |
| 00:04.27 | craftsman | thanks. |
| 00:04.30 | dondelelcaro | !release notes |
| 00:04.30 | dpkg | well, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 00:04.36 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: update-alternatievs --config uic |
| 00:04.37 | dondelelcaro | Ciantic: see above ^^^ |
| 00:04.56 | doubleMike | Ciantic, not good idea |
| 00:05.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are 2 alternatives which provide `uic'. |
| 00:05.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | *+ 1 /usr/bin/uic-qt3 |
| 00:05.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.20 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: pick the second one |
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| 00:05.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Done |
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| 00:05.37 | dondelelcaro | doubleMike: ? |
| 00:05.53 | Ciantic | doubleMike, umm, that is not the image I got from the document :D |
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| 00:06.07 | dmilith | dpkg is a bot? |
| 00:06.12 | cafuego | !bot |
| 00:06.13 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:06.22 | dmilith | :> |
| 00:06.25 | dmilith | great! |
| 00:06.31 | dmilith | like on irc.debian.org |
| 00:06.40 | doubleMike | dondelelcaro, oops |
| 00:07.01 | doubleMike | dondelelcaro, sorry |
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| 00:09.10 | daeos | doubleMike: i just upgraded to Etch, so my previous settings were removed, i just enabled local user login, and not annonymous |
| 00:09.16 | buu | Is there any easy to aquire list of synonyms in the package system someplace? |
| 00:09.43 | \amethyst | buu: synonyms? |
| 00:09.45 | daeos | doubleMike: thanks though for the reminder |
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| 00:09.59 | buu | \amethyst: Yes.. synonyms.. |
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| 00:10.15 | \amethyst | buu: you want a thesaurus? |
| 00:10.29 | jrsims | how do I change my root password? |
| 00:10.40 | markybob | passwd as root |
| 00:10.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/25719 |
| 00:10.50 | jrsims | durr... thanks |
| 00:10.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | AAAAAAAAAA |
| 00:11.09 | buu | \amethyst: Why, yes. |
| 00:11.12 | \amethyst | buu: dict-moby-thesaurus, aiksaurus, kthesaurus, and openoffice |
| 00:11.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Compiling libdvdcss is a bitch. |
| 00:11.32 | buu | \amethyst: Er, are any of those not giant graphical programs? |
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| 00:11.49 | \amethyst | buu: dict-moby-thesaurus is just a dict file |
| 00:12.11 | \amethyst | buu: and aiksaurus is a command-line program |
| 00:12.22 | \amethyst | it has a gtk frontend too |
| 00:12.25 | buu | \amethyst: Good point. |
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| 00:12.42 | dondelelcaro | buu: I'd actually suggest just using dict, unless you don't have a network connection |
| 00:13.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Any idea what it's complaining about now? |
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| 00:13.22 | buu | dondelelcaro: dict.org? |
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| 00:13.57 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: do the same update-alternatives thing with moc |
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| 00:14.19 | JordiGH | Hee hee! Compiz works awesomely with the intel drivers! I'm never buying ATI or Nvidia again! |
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| 00:14.30 | jrsims | are there any pixel fonts in the debian repos? |
| 00:14.32 | JordiGH | Now, if only I could get it working with KDE... |
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| 00:15.04 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: Then you might have to make clean on the modules/gui/qt4 directory before proceeding |
| 00:15.13 | JordiGH | Ooh, compiz-kde in experimental... |
| 00:15.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: k |
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| 00:16.45 | doubleMike | i have a adaptec scsi controller....but when i construct raid-1 at debian etch the SO see 2 independent disks |
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| 00:18.30 | JordiGH | Hm. The experimental compiz-kde package has a bunch of dependencies in experimental. |
| 00:18.38 | Supaplex | hummMMMmmm.... |
| 00:18.45 | JordiGH | I suppose nobody here has tried it out, eh? |
| 00:18.53 | Supaplex | not it :) |
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| 00:20.09 | bzed | JordiGH: I tried it and also the beryl packages from the beryl page |
| 00:20.23 | JordiGH | bzed: And? |
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| 00:20.29 | bzed | both worked on the first look, but that's all too messy for me |
| 00:20.37 | bzed | I need a shell, and not a rotation cube |
| 00:20.46 | bzed | *rotating |
| 00:20.51 | JordiGH | bzed: With the intel drivers? I'm in love with these things. It's the first time I get compiz working. :-) |
| 00:21.05 | bzed | no, nvidia |
| 00:21.11 | bzed | from experimental ;) |
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| 00:21.42 | JordiGH | bzed: Hmmmm... I'll give it a shot. |
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| 00:22.10 | JordiGH | bzed: So the problem was just that the rotating cube was too much eye candy? No X crashes, no lock-ups? |
| 00:22.10 | TheKrillr | i need the source package for gdk pixbuf. ideas? |
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| 00:22.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Yay, it compiled! :D |
| 00:22.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst: Thanks |
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| 00:24.18 | JordiGH | So how does one add an experimental repo? |
| 00:24.24 | bzed | JordiGH: not within the 3 minutes I tested it :P |
| 00:24.35 | JordiGH | dpkg, tell me about experimental |
| 00:24.38 | bzed | err if you ask that, you don;t want to mess with it |
| 00:24.53 | bzed | !tell JordiGH about selftell |
| 00:25.17 | JordiGH | bzed: No, no, I'm aware of the risks. If apt attempts to install an experimental libc6, I'll abort. ;-) |
| 00:25.31 | bzed | it'll do this |
| 00:26.06 | JordiGH | And I didn't self-tell just to make it publicly clear that I already asked dpkg to help me. |
| 00:26.11 | bzed | JordiGH: you could follow http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental if you leave the nvidia part away |
| 00:26.15 | jrsims | what prog should I use to change my grub menu? I want windows to be my default os |
| 00:26.28 | bzed | jrsims: your favourite editor. |
| 00:27.01 | bzed | jrsims: open /boot/grub/menu.lst in it and put the windows part ABOVE the first automagic stanza |
| 00:27.25 | JordiGH | jrsims: That's a pity. ;-) |
| 00:27.25 | jrsims | don't I have to run a command to write that list to the MBR? |
| 00:27.34 | bzed | jrollins: no |
| 00:27.35 | jrsims | I know. I share this pc with my GF |
| 00:27.38 | jrsims | so i have to |
| 00:27.41 | JordiGH | jrsims: No. grub is not Lilo. |
| 00:27.45 | jrsims | ok |
| 00:27.47 | jrsims | thanks |
| 00:27.52 | JordiGH | My girlfriend prefers Debian. :-) |
| 00:27.52 | bzed | jrollins: no, you have to remove windows |
| 00:27.56 | bzed | err jrsims |
| 00:28.00 | JordiGH | My girlfriend is cool that way. |
| 00:28.44 | bzed | my ex-ex gf uses linux since she knows me |
| 00:28.53 | bzed | and probably because they had solaris at work |
| 00:29.00 | jrsims | Gotta say, though. I do like etch. It brought me back to debian. and it's good to be here. |
| 00:29.08 | rahul | !luhar |
| 00:29.08 | dpkg | Luhar, son of Mogar, son of Wintar, daughter of Gabar, bastard of Dibar. It is rumored that Luhar's great-great-great-(*20) grandson, Rahul son of none, uses Lindows. |
| 00:29.13 | JordiGH | Girlfriend conversions are one step below granny conversions. :-) |
| 00:29.38 | rahul | !factinfo luhar |
| 00:29.38 | dpkg | luhar -- created by Col_Panic <z@12-245-216-3.client.attbi.com> at Thu Dec 19 21:03:08 2002 (1578 days); last modified at Thu Dec 19 23:12:11 2002 by Col_Panic!z@12-245-216-3.client.attbi.com; it has been requested 3 times, last by rahul, 30s ago. |
| 00:29.48 | bzed | dpkg, gf->etch |
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| 00:29.52 | bzed | damn :P |
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| 00:30.48 | JordiGH | jrsims: We're all generally happy with etch release. In two years or so when the next release comes by, you'll probably feel ancient again (YO MAMMA IS SO OLD SHE RUNS DEBIAN STABLE!). ;-) |
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| 00:34.34 | jrsims | do I need to install anything special to access my windows partitions? the installer found them, and I see them in nautilus, but I cant browse them. |
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| 00:35.56 | JordiGH | You can't browse them? |
| 00:35.56 | JordiGH | That's odd. |
| 00:36.02 | JordiGH | You should be able to. What does it say? |
| 00:37.08 | jrsims | "Unable to mount the selected volume" |
| 00:37.22 | jrsims | and here are the details" |
| 00:37.34 | jrsims | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 00:37.37 | jrsims | process 7114: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 00:37.40 | jrsims | error: device /dev/sda1 is not removable |
| 00:37.43 | jrsims | error: could not execute pmount |
| 00:38.09 | JordiGH | jrsims: Weird. Does it have its fstab entry? |
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| 00:38.35 | jrsims | where would I go to check? |
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| 00:39.04 | JordiGH | /etc/fstab |
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| 00:41.26 | jrsims | Looking at it, I can't say. I have sda4, sda2, hda1 in my /dev |
| 00:41.36 | jrsims | looks like my deb partitions |
| 00:41.48 | jrsims | and my cdrom |
| 00:41.55 | jrsims | so I guess no, then |
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| 00:42.13 | jrsims | how to add? |
| 00:42.16 | jrsims | gparted? |
| 00:42.20 | JordiGH | jrsims: It's /dev/sda1, right? Try adding an entry there that looks something like.. |
| 00:42.39 | JordiGH | No, manually. Don't worry; you can't break anything. Linux won't even attempt to write to an NTFS partition. ;-) |
| 00:43.15 | JordiGH | The entry should be something like /dev/sda1 /windows ntfs defaults,umask=0222 |
| 00:43.28 | jrsims | I have an NTFS for Windows and a fat32 for sharing between lin and win |
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| 00:43.37 | JordiGH | I think that works. Oh, and two 0's after that. |
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| 00:43.55 | JordiGH | Create a mountpoint. /windows or /mnt/windows or whatever. |
| 00:43.56 | jrsims | so I just add these lines to my fstab, and thats it? |
| 00:44.09 | Guerin | jrsims: like magick, innit? |
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| 00:44.26 | JordiGH | jrsims: Well... In theory. I may have made a mistake (but the worst that could happen is that you still can't mount Windows). |
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| 00:45.01 | jrsims | ok, thanks |
| 00:45.47 | JordiGH | jrsims: It might help to figure out what the mount command should be before you modify fstab. |
| 00:45.50 | jrsims | also - while I'm here - my lappy has an accelerometer. Are there packages so that I can turn on disk protection? |
| 00:46.10 | jrsims | JordiGH: so I should run the commands until I get a successful mount? |
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| 00:46.16 | Guerin | jrsims: no |
| 00:46.22 | Guerin | jrsims: run the commands, read output |
| 00:46.28 | Guerin | if there's no oputput, then it worked |
| 00:46.32 | jrsims | k |
| 00:46.52 | JordiGH | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /windows -o defaults,umask=0222 |
| 00:46.55 | JordiGH | For instance... |
| 00:47.15 | JordiGH | mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /winshare -o defaults,rw |
| 00:47.22 | JordiGH | For the fat32 shared partition. |
| 00:47.28 | jrsims | cool |
| 00:47.29 | Guerin | JordiGH: make sure you get the silver platter back |
| 00:47.53 | JordiGH | Guerin: Meh. I like being helpful. I might have given wrong instructions anyways. ;-) |
| 00:47.58 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:48.12 | jrsims | you gotta break out the silver platter for noobs. I do appreciate it! |
| 00:49.18 | JordiGH | Everyone was once a n00b and everyone is still a n00b at something. |
| 00:49.29 | muhoo | bah, the etch ia-64 dvd-rom will not boot on my core duo system |
| 00:49.34 | muhoo | core 2 duo actually |
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| 00:49.55 | muhoo | nor will it boot in qemu either, so i know the media is fine (the thing mounts perfectly and its SHA1 sum checks out too) |
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| 00:50.19 | Guerin | 76.9 / 1105.9 MB Rate: 4.9 / 992.7 KB Uploaded: 0.4 MB [ 6%] 0d 0 # awesome |
| 00:50.25 | Guerin | it really is 10mbit |
| 00:50.27 | Guerin | in fact |
| 00:50.30 | Guerin | more like 12 |
| 00:50.47 | Guerin | hurrah for fast interwebs |
| 00:51.03 | JordiGH | Fun fun fun... Especially excited to see about possible breakage with the kernel upgrade. :-) |
| 00:51.21 | Guerin | JordiGH: my d-u went alright |
| 00:51.30 | Guerin | needed to reboot, despite no kernel change |
| 00:51.41 | Guerin | and imp broke |
| 00:51.46 | Guerin | but all else was fine |
| 00:51.50 | JordiGH | Guerin: yeah, it's been good for me too. I'm proud by proxy of etch. :-) |
| 00:51.55 | JordiGH | imp? |
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| 00:55.20 | Insolit | an or in bash script is || ? |
| 00:56.07 | plundra | Yeah |
| 00:56.24 | JordiGH | Hm, the only possible breakage in moving to the experimental compiz-kde seems to be that the compiz packages need to be moved up to their experimental versions. |
| 00:56.32 | JordiGH | libc6 isn't being touched. :-) |
| 00:56.52 | Insolit | thanks plundra |
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| 00:59.13 | JordiGH | Rebooting now... |
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| 01:04.02 | Hiryu | how do you configure X in debian these days? |
| 01:04.12 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 01:04.12 | dpkg | xcfg is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:04.20 | cafuego | xserver-xorg these days |
| 01:04.39 | Hiryu | so there's no nice GUI to do it at this time still? |
| 01:04.55 | amphi | ncurses gui ;) |
| 01:05.00 | Hiryu | haha |
| 01:05.01 | Hiryu | damn |
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| 01:05.06 | Hiryu | I thought etch would be easier |
| 01:05.12 | Hiryu | how about for configuring my network settings? |
| 01:05.22 | amphi | Hiryu: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:05.32 | Hiryu | I know how to edit it manually |
| 01:05.41 | Hiryu | I've been running debian on servers for 7 years or so now |
| 01:05.47 | Hiryu | just wanted to know if there was a friendly way now :) |
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| 01:06.32 | amphi | what's unfriendly about /etc/network/interfaces? ;) I expect the DEs have some gui wotsits |
| 01:06.51 | Guerin | which are mostly broken |
| 01:07.01 | Hiryu | well when I get to school I like to be able to go through a GUI to switch off my static home wep network to my school's DHCP webpage authenticated page |
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| 01:07.09 | JordiGH | Well, it works. |
| 01:07.14 | JordiGH | Except all the desktops have the same background. |
| 01:07.23 | lontra | Hiryu: networkmanager? |
| 01:07.26 | Hiryu | well, I'll play with it and see how I feel about using debian as a desktop os again |
| 01:07.30 | JordiGH | And KDE's desktop thingie is confused and thinks that there are 32 desktops. |
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| 01:07.51 | JordiGH | On the other hand, all windows are made of bubble gum. :-) |
| 01:07.56 | JordiGH | Transparent bubble gum. |
| 01:07.59 | JordiGH | Menus too. |
| 01:08.52 | lontra | JordiGH: 32 desktops? a desktop for each open applicatin? |
| 01:09.05 | JordiGH | lontra: Well... KDE got confused. :-/ |
| 01:09.10 | Hiryu | lontra: lemme check it out |
| 01:09.12 | lontra | Hiryu: you can use networkmanager or networkmanager-kde for networking |
| 01:09.18 | lontra | Hiryu: it's sweet |
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| 01:09.41 | Hiryu | says it's installed |
| 01:09.41 | Hiryu | haha |
| 01:09.44 | Hiryu | says both are installed |
| 01:09.53 | lontra | Hiryu: are you running kde? |
| 01:10.01 | lontra | Hiryu: alt+f2 knetworkmanager |
| 01:10.14 | lontra | Hiryu: you'll need to comment out stuff in /etc/network/interfaces though |
| 01:10.29 | Hiryu | ah |
| 01:10.35 | Vasistha | Hiryu: interfaces that appear in /etc/network/interfaces are hidden from NetworkManager |
| 01:10.49 | Hiryu | alt-F2 doesn't work, I had that annoying problem with KDE and gentoo too |
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| 01:10.59 | Hiryu | you fix something in kcontrol |
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| 01:11.13 | Hiryu | but when I logged in the KDE tip mentioned ALT-F2 |
| 01:11.14 | Hiryu | how ironic |
| 01:11.22 | Hiryu | but I think it's a KDE default change |
| 01:11.33 | lontra | Hiryu: is kdesktop running? |
| 01:11.40 | Hiryu | yes |
| 01:11.47 | lontra | you're sure? not kwin :D |
| 01:11.49 | Hiryu | lontra: been using linux since 98 if that helps :) |
| 01:11.49 | Vasistha | alt+f2 is definitely a kde default... |
| 01:11.54 | Hiryu | kicker is running |
| 01:11.59 | Hiryu | not in gentoo at least |
| 01:12.00 | lontra | Hiryu: kicker is not kdesktop |
| 01:12.05 | Hiryu | it's a part of it |
| 01:12.11 | lontra | Hiryu: nope...part of kwin |
| 01:12.19 | lontra | kicker will appear if kdesktop crashed |
| 01:12.23 | lontra | will still appear |
| 01:12.36 | Hiryu | it hasn't crashed, trust me |
| 01:12.57 | lontra | ok |
| 01:13.07 | Vasistha | I'm pretty sure kdesktop is actually installed with a separate package ... dunno if it's even installed by default. I think I had to explicitly select it for installation the other day |
| 01:13.23 | Hiryu | I did tasks="kde-desktop, standard" |
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| 01:13.47 | lontra | Hiryu: well that would install kdesktop for sure |
| 01:13.52 | LookTJ|Taylor | I encountered a firmware-related bug |
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| 01:14.00 | Vasistha | dpkg -l kdesktop |
| 01:14.01 | dpkg | ii kdesktop 3.9-5.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 01:14.02 | LookTJ|Taylor | like this: http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=808 |
| 01:14.09 | Vasistha | hehe |
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| 01:14.17 | LookTJ|Taylor | How do I apply the patch? |
| 01:14.21 | Vasistha | gotta watch that bot! |
| 01:14.23 | Hiryu | etch seems up to date enough where I'm not sure I even want to go to testing, I'm happy with it thus far |
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| 01:14.51 | Kevin` | etch was only released a few days ago, heh :) |
| 01:14.54 | Vasistha | Hiryu: well, the real question is if you'll want to be with etch in a year, when it's not so up-to-date :D |
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| 01:15.03 | Hiryu | yeh, but didn't it take forever to stablize? |
| 01:15.11 | Vasistha | not nearly as long as sarge! |
| 01:15.18 | Hiryu | Vasistha: yeh, I'm wondering that too. I'm gonna pretty excited when KDE4 is out |
| 01:15.46 | Hiryu | sarge was the release after slink? |
| 01:15.51 | Hiryu | apt, hiryu? |
| 01:15.53 | apt | i guess hiryu is the \"ls\" man. Muad`Dib |
| 01:15.55 | Vasistha | Hiryu: I'm also looking forward to that, although I'm thinking I'll be happy to wait for lenny -- I just hope KDE4 makes it into lenny -- I kinda think it will. Sarge followed potato |
| 01:15.55 | Ronin | Hiryu: after potato iirc |
| 01:15.58 | Hiryu | wow, I'm still on there |
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| 01:16.00 | Hiryu | that's from 99 |
| 01:16.02 | Vasistha | wait, no, woody! |
| 01:16.08 | Ronin | doh woody i mean |
| 01:16.10 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 01:16.13 | Hiryu | oooh that's right, potato |
| 01:16.18 | Hiryu | and slink was before that |
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| 01:16.24 | lontra | !potato |
| 01:16.25 | dpkg | from memory, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 01:16.28 | a1fa | what file do i need for bootp booting? install file is not very clear |
| 01:16.30 | Hiryu | !slink |
| 01:16.30 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 01:16.33 | Vasistha | Ronin: we both said the same thing :-) |
| 01:16.35 | Hiryu | aha! |
| 01:17.05 | Hiryu | now I really need to get X fixed |
| 01:17.10 | Hiryu | this resolution is horrible |
| 01:18.13 | ramond | i have a 160g hd which i partitioned as : sda1p5 Boot Logical Linux 160031.02. But |
| 01:18.26 | ramond | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 01:18.28 | ramond | /dev/sda1 233335 4115 216772 2% /mnt |
| 01:18.33 | Kevin` | ramond erm, why do you have a partition partitioned? |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:18.34 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:18.52 | a1fa | what file do i need for bootp bootu[? |
| 01:18.56 | ramond | Kevin`, sorry don't understand you. |
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| 01:19.27 | Kevin` | ramond "sda1p5" indicated the fifth partition ON THE FISRST PARTITION |
| 01:19.33 | Kevin` | as in, a mistake most likely. |
| 01:19.40 | ramond | the puzzle is why is there only 233335 blocks for a 160g partition? |
| 01:19.41 | Kevin` | sda1 is the first partition |
| 01:20.07 | LookTJ|Taylor | anyone know how to apply a patch? |
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| 01:20.24 | cafuego | patch -pX < patchfile |
| 01:20.33 | a1fa | anybody know what file you need for bootp? |
| 01:20.35 | Kevin` | normally -p1 |
| 01:20.39 | cafuego | where X is the number of directory levels to strip from the patch headers |
| 01:20.46 | Kevin` | a1fa to use bootp how? |
| 01:21.10 | a1fa | for netinstall |
| 01:21.20 | ramond | Kevin`: that could be my problem. but this does not show up in cfdisk.' |
| 01:21.24 | a1fa | i am using miniiso |
| 01:21.32 | JordiGH | Hm... |
| 01:21.33 | CcSsNET | http://defectivebydesign.org/ |
| 01:21.42 | Kevin` | ramond cfdisk /dev/sda? |
| 01:21.43 | JordiGH | There must be a way for compiz to have more than one background! |
| 01:21.53 | a1fa | it says image file too large for low memory |
| 01:21.56 | cafuego | aaargh! compiz! |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | a1fa: there are docs about it |
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| 01:22.47 | Kevin` | a1fa you probably want a secondary image that will load something from tftp, "low memory" is 256k or so, isn't it? |
| 01:22.49 | JordiGH | cafuego: It runs beautifully with the intel drivers. :-) |
| 01:22.55 | a1fa | they are not clear |
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| 01:22.59 | Kevin` | a1fa I assume from this that you are using bios bootp? |
| 01:23.04 | Kevin` | or a rom on nic? |
| 01:23.05 | a1fa | yes |
| 01:23.10 | ramond | Kevin`: cfdisk /dev/sda gives: sda1 Boot Primary Linux ext3 160039.28 |
| 01:23.12 | a1fa | rom on nic |
| 01:23.37 | kritical | Does anyone know what the bzip2 equivalent of gzips `gcat` command is? |
| 01:23.45 | Kevin` | bzcat? |
| 01:23.49 | kritical | ahh thank you =) |
| 01:23.52 | abrotman | zcat ? |
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| 01:24.05 | abrotman | eh .. i meant .. isn't it zcat .. not gcat ? |
| 01:24.13 | a1fa | nvm |
| 01:24.17 | a1fa | i think i got it |
| 01:24.18 | Kevin` | ya, it is heh |
| 01:24.19 | a1fa | gimme a sec |
| 01:24.20 | a1fa | let me try it |
| 01:24.32 | eheil | Hey anyone know the status of Gnome 2.18 in Unstable? |
| 01:24.35 | LookTJ|Taylor | cafuego: I'm trying to apply a .diff file |
| 01:24.52 | a1fa | tftp for the win! |
| 01:25.00 | Kevin` | it works? yay :) |
| 01:25.05 | eheil | Usually to apply a diff file its path -p0 or something. |
| 01:25.14 | a1fa | hm.. i used pixe rom |
| 01:25.17 | a1fa | and its not working |
| 01:25.19 | Kevin` | just look at the first few lines of the file |
| 01:27.10 | lontra | JordiGH: how is compiz-kde? |
| 01:27.25 | a1fa | cdrom ftw! |
| 01:27.38 | LookTJ|Taylor | cafuego: you still there eh? |
| 01:27.41 | a1fa | ok what image do you use for bootp? |
| 01:27.47 | a1fa | this one didnt work |
| 01:28.05 | lontra | eheil: i think gnome 2.18 is already starting to enter sid |
| 01:28.29 | lontra | eheil: 2.18.0-4 0 500 http://debian.osuosl.org sid/main Packages |
| 01:28.39 | cafuego | LookTJ|Taylor: more or less |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 01:28.50 | lontra | lontra: gtk2.10 or whatever was uploaded the other day |
| 01:28.54 | cafuego | LookTJ|Taylor: Yeah, a.diff file is a patch :-) |
| 01:29.14 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 01:29.21 | lontra | gnome-panel is 2.16 in experimental |
| 01:29.22 | cafuego | LookTJ|Taylor: Traditionally one would enter the directory the to-be-patched source is ink, then run 'patch -p1 < ../file.diff' |
| 01:29.47 | lontra | totem 2.18 is in experimental |
| 01:30.00 | lontra | then again ... i use KDE, so . . . |
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| 01:30.11 | a1fa | ~bootp |
| 01:30.13 | apt | hmm... bootp is an old and somewhat clunky way of getting a box up and running |
| 01:30.38 | a1fa | ok |
| 01:30.38 | a1fa | wtf |
| 01:30.47 | a1fa | anybody know what image will bootp load? |
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| 01:32.00 | Hiryu | why is there two kdmrc files? /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and /var/run/kdm/kdmrc? |
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| 01:33.19 | a1fa | ok |
| 01:33.26 | a1fa | manifest doesnt say anything about bootp |
| 01:33.41 | Hiryu | what do you need bootp for? |
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| 01:34.39 | Hiryu | are you trying to boot on a PC? |
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| 01:35.19 | a1fa | i am trying to boot install over network |
| 01:35.22 | a1fa | i dont have a cdrom |
| 01:35.38 | Hiryu | on a PC? |
| 01:36.00 | a1fa | yes |
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| 01:36.20 | Hiryu | I have no experiene with that I'm afraid |
| 01:36.24 | Hiryu | just dont it with sparc |
| 01:36.34 | a1fa | ok |
| 01:36.40 | a1fa | what bootp image did you use? |
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| 01:36.57 | Hiryu | a netbsd image |
| 01:37.03 | Hiryu | but the bootp server was debian |
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| 01:37.31 | a1fa | ok this is weerd |
| 01:37.34 | a1fa | 700 people in here |
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| 01:37.49 | a1fa | and no body knows wgat bootp image to use |
| 01:38.11 | BlueParrot | alfa not everyone is awake I would guess |
| 01:38.24 | BlueParrot | many people just run an irssi client in a screen an leaves it detached |
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| 01:38.28 | Hiryu | by bootp image, you mean the filename? |
| 01:38.38 | a1fa | heh |
| 01:38.43 | a1fa | i just need a boot image for bootp |
| 01:39.00 | Hiryu | ooh, I see what you mean |
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| 01:39.12 | Hiryu | hmm |
| 01:39.19 | muhoo | ok, the docs are lying |
| 01:39.25 | muhoo | debian-installer/probe/usb=false does *not* prevent usb from loading |
| 01:39.34 | a1fa | they sure are |
| 01:40.09 | Hiryu | lemme see if I can figure it out |
| 01:40.32 | a1fa | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 01:40.34 | a1fa | i used this document |
| 01:40.37 | muhoo | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en not true |
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| 01:40.42 | a1fa | but it never references |
| 01:40.45 | a1fa | bootp |
| 01:41.18 | muhoo | "install debian-installer/probe/usb=false " and still it loads the usb modules, and hangs at |
| 01:42.27 | muhoo | "configuration #1 chosen of 1" |
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| 01:43.49 | Hiryu | can't connect to this ftp server |
| 01:44.40 | Hiryu | what's the GUI application for managing your sources.list file? |
| 01:44.53 | lontra | Hiryu: synaptic? |
| 01:45.10 | lontra | Hiryu: or kpackage or adept or ... |
| 01:45.12 | Hiryu | when I first installed and got the default gnome |
| 01:45.17 | Hiryu | it had it |
| 01:45.19 | Hiryu | probably adept |
| 01:45.22 | Hiryu | it did remind me of ubuntu |
| 01:45.23 | lontra | oh ... no adept is kde |
| 01:45.32 | Hiryu | in you mean? |
| 01:45.41 | lontra | adept isn't installed unless specified |
| 01:45.45 | lontra | and it's for kde not gnome |
| 01:45.46 | Hiryu | ah |
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| 01:45.52 | Hiryu | I think that's what I had though |
| 01:45.55 | Hiryu | is that a backport from ubuntu? |
| 01:46.01 | Hiryu | had with my initial gnome install I mean |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | synaptic |
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| 01:46.42 | lontra | there's another GUI i forgot what's it's called.. something like source properties it's under administration menu in GNOME |
| 01:46.53 | Hiryu | yeh! |
| 01:46.53 | lontra | it's slow and silly...editing by hand is quicker |
| 01:47.05 | a1fa | aww this is pissing me off |
| 01:47.08 | Hiryu | I'm not afraid of doing it by hand, I'm just trying to get the point and click experience |
| 01:47.09 | a1fa | i have no clue what image to use |
| 01:47.18 | lontra | Hiryu: it's there |
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| 01:47.58 | Hiryu | but what is it called? :) |
| 01:48.03 | a1fa | WHATTTTTTT A HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | Software Preferences under the Admin menu |
| 01:48.07 | Hiryu | I think I need non-free sources for nvidia-glx |
| 01:48.20 | lontra | Hiryu: ^^^ abrotman's sentence |
| 01:48.31 | Hiryu | whoops |
| 01:48.43 | Hiryu | wait I'm in KDE though |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | in gnome aynwqayws |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | anyways |
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| 01:49.21 | a1fa | does anybody know bootp image for netinstall? |
| 01:49.26 | Hiryu | not installed |
| 01:49.27 | Hiryu | I'll get it |
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| 01:49.39 | lontra | a1fa: abrotman does if anyone does |
| 01:49.42 | Hiryu | hmm |
| 01:50.09 | a1fa | abrotman |
| 01:50.12 | a1fa | heloooooooo |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | it's in the documents :) |
| 01:50.46 | a1fa | abrotman : i read it.. its not there |
| 01:50.51 | a1fa | i used etch install guide |
| 01:50.56 | a1fa | then i used the MANIFEST |
| 01:50.56 | abrotman | i'm on dialup .. don't make me look! |
| 01:51.06 | lontra | abrotman: really? |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | don't ask .. but yes |
| 01:51.21 | a1fa | abrotman : i looked man |
| 01:51.27 | a1fa | its just not there |
| 01:51.30 | ramond | now i have a 160g partition but df only shows 233335 1k-blocks. why? |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | a1fa: i am not a man page :) |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | lontra: i was out for dindin |
| 01:51.46 | lontra | ah |
| 01:52.02 | a1fa | abrotman : i am asking for help.. i have exhausted the manual |
| 01:52.10 | a1fa | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 01:52.17 | a1fa | here is the file that outlines install files |
| 01:52.22 | a1fa | it does not have one for bootp |
| 01:52.34 | a1fa | yet stupid install guide lets you setup bootp |
| 01:52.40 | a1fa | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en#tftp-images |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | i'm also trying to figure out who thought AvP was a good idea |
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| 01:53.26 | a1fa | bad |
| 01:53.29 | a1fa | idea.. bad |
| 01:53.33 | lontra | a1fa: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/bootnetwork.html |
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| 01:54.27 | ramond | how many 1k-blocks should a mount 160g partition shows via the command 'df'? |
| 01:54.34 | a1fa | that doesnt tell me anything dude |
| 01:54.41 | lontra | scroll down |
| 01:54.42 | Kevin` | ramond why not just do df -h |
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| 01:55.06 | ircleuser | I just lost my xserver when upgrading. dpkg-reconfigure xserver gives 'xserver is not installed' |
| 01:55.15 | ramond | Kevin`: it shows 233335. why? |
| 01:55.15 | Gnea | woohaw! the new debian 4.0 GUI installer is tight!! |
| 01:55.16 | a1fa | i did |
| 01:55.17 | lontra | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:55.19 | a1fa | it doesnt tell me anything |
| 01:55.35 | Kevin` | ramond that's not 160gb, more like 230mb |
| 01:55.38 | Gnea | ircleuser: were you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 01:55.43 | ircleuser | lontra will try thanks. |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | a1fa: the manifest tells you ? |
| 01:56.01 | cafuego | !xcfg =~ s/xfree86/xorg/ |
| 01:56.01 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 01:56.02 | ramond | Kevin`: what is the problem i am trying to solve. |
| 01:56.10 | a1fa | abrotman : it doesnt |
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| 01:56.15 | Kevin` | ramond fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | netboot/debian-installer -- PXE boot directory for tftp server |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | no ? |
| 01:57.02 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 01:57.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, xcfg is on Sarge, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. On Etch, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. |
| 01:57.12 | ramond | Kevin`, i get this: /dev/sda1 * 1 19457 156288321 83 Linux |
| 01:57.25 | BUMBACL0T | is dpkg even updated? |
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| 01:57.33 | abrotman | sda1 is not sda5p1 or whatever it was |
| 01:57.35 | ircleuser | lontra --> "xserver-xorg is broken or not full installed" |
| 01:57.43 | Kevin` | ramond Hmm |
| 01:57.52 | Kevin` | ramond what filesystem do you have on sda1 |
| 01:58.07 | ramond | ext2 |
| 01:58.18 | a1fa | no |
| 01:58.19 | a1fa | ~pxe |
| 01:58.30 | apt | it has been said that pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 01:58.30 | Kevin` | ramond resize2fs /dev/sda1 |
| 01:58.30 | lontra | ircleuser: yup ... aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 01:58.31 | a1fa | thats for pxe booting. not bootp |
| 01:58.33 | Kevin` | or e2online /dev/sda1 if mounted |
| 01:58.36 | ramond | Kevin`, will try. |
| 01:58.57 | abrotman | a1fa: i believe it's the same |
| 01:59.13 | a1fa | ok |
| 01:59.19 | a1fa | then it freezes up on that pxe image |
| 01:59.22 | Kevin` | !find bin/e2online |
| 01:59.29 | Kevin` | not sure if that was the right name |
| 01:59.35 | ramond | Kevin`, resize2fs: Filesystem does not support online resizing |
| 01:59.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/e2online' returned no results. |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | a1fa: honestly .. i've tried multiple times to do tftp for alphas .. and have yet to get it working .. i've gotten close .. but never working |
| 01:59.51 | a1fa | Note that for PXE booting, the client filename pxelinux.0 is a boot loader, not a kernel image (see Section 4.6.4, .Move TFTP Images Into Place. below). |
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| 02:00.09 | Kevin` | ramond well unmount it and do it then |
| 02:00.10 | ircleuser | lontra, "-bash: aptitude: command not found" |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | install it ? |
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| 02:00.20 | lontra | what? no aptitude? |
| 02:00.29 | Gnea | ircleuser: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:00.31 | ircleuser | I sweatr no atitude. ??? |
| 02:00.33 | ramond | Kevin`, k, that was the problem. |
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| 02:01.04 | lontra | ircleuser: i would install aptitude with apt-get and then aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 02:02.07 | ircleuser | lontra, doing it now. Wonder how I lost my aptitude? |
| 02:02.27 | Gnea | lontra: why? the problem is obviously with aptitude |
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| 02:03.56 | a1fa | tftp: client does not accept options |
| 02:04.16 | lontra | Gnea: you think? |
| 02:04.25 | lontra | Gnea: i think the problem is that he didn't upgrade with aptitude |
| 02:04.54 | ircleuser | lontra, Gnea, all changes were made using synaptic. |
| 02:04.56 | a1fa | wow |
| 02:05.00 | a1fa | i got it to boot with PXE |
| 02:05.04 | a1fa | god damnit :P |
| 02:05.35 | ircleuser | Lontra, aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg just deleted a long list of files. do I do it again to get the actuall 'install? |
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| 02:05.54 | abrotman | a1fa: all good ? |
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| 02:06.07 | dererk | Wow, didn't know it was possible |
| 02:06.10 | lontra | ircleuser: sure |
| 02:06.12 | a1fa | yeah |
| 02:06.17 | a1fa | bootp is sucker |
| 02:06.19 | a1fa | pxe ftw! |
| 02:06.46 | dererk | a1fa, congratulations |
| 02:06.56 | purplepenguins | hello |
| 02:07.02 | a1fa | thanks :P |
| 02:07.07 | Gnea | lontra: i've only seen aptitude exhibit that behavior. and now that he's mentioned it, synaptic has done that before as well. apt-get won't do that. i believe there's some sort of configuration switch to prevent it from happening, i'm just not sure what it is. |
| 02:07.09 | a1fa | its installing now |
| 02:07.39 | purplepenguins | I used debian once a whle ago |
| 02:07.39 | abrotman | bootp is hard .. |
| 02:07.39 | purplepenguins | and forgot a lot about it |
| 02:07.39 | a1fa | bootp is nuts |
| 02:07.39 | a1fa | :P |
| 02:07.39 | purplepenguins | but I want to try it again |
| 02:07.39 | ircleuser | lontra, 'dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' --> "xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed" |
| 02:07.41 | Gnea | purplepenguins: go for it |
| 02:07.47 | dererk | purplepenguins, It's never too late to, go go go |
| 02:07.51 | purplepenguins | I used it as my gateway linux |
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| 02:08.11 | dererk | as many of us do :) |
| 02:08.20 | purplepenguins | but I've used gentoo, ubuntu and suse variably since then |
| 02:08.22 | Gnea | ircleuser: again, you'll need to install it again: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:08.33 | Gnea | purplepenguins: yes, and? |
| 02:08.58 | purplepenguins | are the nvidia closed-source drivers easy to install? |
| 02:09.09 | Kevin` | yes |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:09.13 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 02:09.24 | Gnea | yup |
| 02:09.31 | ircleuser | Gnea, I did 'aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg' is that the same as 'apt-get install ...? |
| 02:09.36 | purplepenguins | also, do they still use cdrtools, I think I remember hearing a spiel about a fork or something |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | wodim |
| 02:09.51 | purplepenguins | specifically cdrecord |
| 02:09.53 | abrotman | or cdrkit .. whatever they call it now |
| 02:09.58 | Gnea | ircleuser: no, because reinstall is assuming that it's actually installed |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 02:10.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 02:10.13 | ircleuser | Gnea, thank you. so obvious! |
| 02:10.37 | Gnea | purplepenguins: http://www.debian.org there are package lists there for Etch and everything else, so go search for yourself |
| 02:10.39 | purplepenguins | okay, cool |
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| 02:11.12 | purplepenguins | thanks for the info |
| 02:11.28 | a1fa | ~lvm |
| 02:11.39 | apt | hmm... lvm is Logical Volume Manager |
| 02:11.40 | a1fa | ~encrypted lvm |
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| 02:11.55 | Sivik | how do i only make certain users having the ability to have root privs |
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| 02:12.09 | Sivik | i'm in the visudo file currently |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | don't give them the root password ? |
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| 02:12.34 | Gnea | !sudo |
| 02:12.34 | dpkg | somebody said sudo was (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 02:12.49 | Sivik | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:12.50 | Sivik | i need to fix that |
| 02:13.05 | Gnea | Sivik: there's a website that explains it all. ^^^ |
| 02:13.18 | Sivik | thanks |
| 02:13.18 | Kevin` | root ALL=(ALL) ALL shouldn't be a problem. |
| 02:13.28 | Kevin` | unless you rename root |
| 02:13.29 | Kevin` | :) |
| 02:13.43 | Sivik | well, i have a friend that just went into my computer via ssh, and he could get in all kinds of stuff |
| 02:14.00 | snowbird | some freind |
| 02:14.03 | Ronin | Sivik: they have an account? |
| 02:14.11 | Sivik | its a test user |
| 02:14.21 | Ronin | well there you go, |
| 02:14.56 | Gnea | some admin |
| 02:15.02 | a1fa | ok.. encryotpted lvm is scarry |
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| 02:15.48 | ramond | Kevin`, resize works ok. but why do i need to do this? shouldn't creating a partition with cfdisk good enough? |
| 02:16.11 | Kevin` | ramond yes. then formatting it.. |
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| 02:16.27 | haxality | hello, I'm trying to compile a kernel based on the 2.6.20 source and with the 2.6.20.1 patch. In my system's 'stock' kernel, ACPI suspend support is an option, but on the new kernel, I can't see it anywhere. what gives? |
| 02:16.29 | Kevin` | ramond somehow you ended up with a filesystem smaller then the partition. did you forget to format it? :) |
| 02:17.06 | undesktop | sorry for comming n00bish, but what does that mean at all?: http://rafb.net/p/W6uBW332.html |
| 02:17.09 | ramond | Kevin`, i rely on cfdisk to put things right, shouldn't it be so? |
| 02:17.17 | undesktop | (it's part of my ifconfig output) |
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| 02:17.47 | haxality | ah, nevermind, I fixed it. |
| 02:17.48 | abrotman | what do you want to know about it ? |
| 02:17.49 | Kevin` | ramond cfdisk does partitions, it doesn't change the data in them. if there was a valid filesystem in the SAME place as the new partition you created, but smaller, it would do what you saw |
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| 02:18.32 | ramond | Kevin`, 'delete' in cfdisk doesn't clean things up? |
| 02:18.41 | GreaseMonkey | oh, he left |
| 02:18.57 | Kevin` | ramond that's 160gb of data to delete. almost no partitioning program will waste the time blanking the drive |
| 02:19.17 | diskus | undesktop: it means that wlan is trying to do something with ipv6 |
| 02:19.20 | ircleuser | after upgrading, all of my regular commands are gone: ddcprobe, sudo ... ? |
| 02:19.45 | undesktop | diskus: not really... and that's why I'm puzzled... why ipv6!? |
| 02:19.56 | Kevin` | ramond eventually I suspect you'll see this as a feature, but until then, just remember what's happening :) |
| 02:20.03 | undesktop | diskus: I just executed "wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd" from http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/WPA |
| 02:20.26 | diskus | undesktop: then it probably got ipv6 from dhcp or something |
| 02:20.55 | undesktop | diskus: strange then |
| 02:20.55 | ramond | Kevin`, so resizing also clean up the partition? yeah, i'll take note of your last comment. :P |
| 02:21.13 | undesktop | a more general question: what can I do to route a certain IP address to a specific interface? |
| 02:21.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do I make it so I have R/W access to /etc/? |
| 02:21.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | as a normla user? |
| 02:21.25 | Kevin` | ramond resizing made the existing filesystem the size of the new partition. there isn't a "cleaning up" invloved, nor does one matter |
| 02:21.25 | GhostlyDeath_ | or is it unsafe? |
| 02:21.29 | undesktop | even if the IP I want to route is IPv4 and the interface say sth. about IPv6 |
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| 02:21.40 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath_: no .. it's not remotely safe |
| 02:21.48 | Kevin` | ramond you might want to just reformat the partition, as the old one might have a small number of inodes or some such |
| 02:21.56 | a1fa | ok i cant boot anymore |
| 02:21.58 | a1fa | from dhcpd |
| 02:22.01 | a1fa | or pxe |
| 02:22.14 | Kevin` | ramond assuming there's no important data on it of course |
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| 02:22.27 | ramond | Kevin`, i have thought of that, but what is the command to format a hd? |
| 02:22.38 | Kevin` | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 |
| 02:22.47 | ramond | ahhh, thks. |
| 02:23.01 | abrotman | undesktop: you could unload the ipv6 module |
| 02:23.05 | ramond | i was looking for it among the fdisk command. |
| 02:23.29 | ramond | so, mkfs does formatting too. |
| 02:23.37 | Sivik | is it possible to get an alart sent to you over cli, if someone logs into your ssh server |
| 02:23.40 | Kevin` | mkfs makes a filesystem |
| 02:23.47 | Kevin` | what else would "formatting" be? |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | Sivik: you can tail the auth.log |
| 02:24.13 | undesktop | abrotman: nice idea, but: "ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use" |
| 02:24.22 | Kevin` | well, on floppy disks, there's also a low level format to consider, but that doesn't apply to hard drives |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | undesktop: duh :) |
| 02:24.42 | ramond | Kevin`, formatting writes all the head sectors data. |
| 02:24.45 | mfrisch | Sivik: check out whowatch |
| 02:25.02 | Kevin` | AH, and there you go with the misconception ramond |
| 02:25.15 | Kevin` | ramond that hasn't been done to hard drives since the MFM days |
| 02:25.21 | undesktop | abrotman: I suspect it has to do with that sit0 interface which dhclient created |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | it has to do with your active interfaces |
| 02:25.41 | Kevin` | the drive itself comes preformatting with a rather complex physical arrangement that you cannot view and should not worry about |
| 02:26.33 | Sivik | can i run whowatch live, in the gui, so it updates constantly |
| 02:26.37 | Kevin` | microsoft confused people I think by having the "format" command also do the low level formatting of a floppy |
| 02:26.45 | Kevin` | (fdformat in linux, btw) |
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| 02:27.03 | ramond | Kevin`, yeah, need to update my knowledge on hd. you work in the hd industry? |
| 02:27.07 | undesktop | abrotman: sit0 and the loopback interface are the only one with sth. (?) related to ipv6 |
| 02:27.13 | Kevin` | ramond nope :) |
| 02:27.20 | Kevin` | just general/random knowledge |
| 02:27.29 | eheil | j |
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| 02:27.52 | Kevin` | the effect is, that a hard drive is usable for random reading and writing to any location from when you first plug it in |
| 02:28.21 | undesktop | another question: why does "ifdown sit0" not work, but "ifconfig sit0 down" does? (not work == interface sit0 not configured) |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | !tell undesktop about blacklist |
| 02:28.54 | undesktop | abrotman: you mean I must reboot? |
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| 02:29.33 | Kevin` | undesktop ifdown manages interfaces using the system init scripts and configuration, ifconfig does what you tell it to "directly" |
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| 02:29.38 | ramond | Kevin`, yeah, i am thinking "MS" when i think about formatting hd. |
| 02:30.25 | ramond | Kevin`, those inodes are created during mkfs? |
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| 02:30.30 | Kevin` | ramond yes |
| 02:30.30 | blazemonger | whazup |
| 02:30.39 | blazemonger | i just installed lenny |
| 02:30.41 | blazemonger | it's nice |
| 02:30.46 | Sivik | is there a program like whowatch that does it in real-time and updates in realtime without rerunning the program |
| 02:31.00 | Kevin` | ramond the issue is I think the default number is based on drive size, which could have caused problems for you in the long term using the old fs |
| 02:31.02 | mfrisch | whowatch is realtime |
| 02:31.13 | undesktop | Kevin`: so ifdown/ifup can only manage interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:31.14 | mfrisch | kinda |
| 02:31.16 | Sweetandy | blazemonger: I just upgraded to lenny. What's nice about it? It seems... pretty much the same. |
| 02:31.26 | Kevin` | Sivik grsecurity has a nice evil exec logging function |
| 02:31.51 | blazemonger | i think i like debian |
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| 02:32.17 | Kevin` | I know I like debian :) |
| 02:32.25 | k-man | i have this problem with upgrading to etch, it wants to remove and install the same kernel version |
| 02:32.29 | blazemonger | i just wonder if i'm violating my freedom |
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| 02:32.33 | k-man | how do i resolve that? |
| 02:32.35 | ramond | Kevin`: what is that 'default' number? |
| 02:32.42 | Kevin` | ramond checking. |
| 02:32.50 | Sivik | Kevin`: doesn't mean i want to exec everyong that logs in from ssh |
| 02:32.55 | mfrisch | I just reinstalled my router with etch it rocks. been running unstable for years |
| 02:33.04 | blazemonger | im running debian on a d865PERL motherboard the only thing i can't get to work is midi on my onboard audio |
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| 02:33.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | blazemonger: to your piano? |
| 02:33.55 | ramond | mfrisch: do you need etch to run a router? what make of router is yours? |
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| 02:33.59 | blazemonger | yah |
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| 02:34.05 | blazemonger | i want to use rosegarden |
| 02:34.17 | k-man | when i do the dist-upgrade, aptitude says linux-image-2.6.18-2-686 will be removed.. and as far as I can tell, no linux-image installed to replaces it |
| 02:34.21 | Sweetandy | blazemonger: Have you used it before? I'm interested in trying it for scoring. |
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| 02:34.26 | GhostlyDeath_ | I wouldn't know how to do it |
| 02:34.32 | mfrisch | ramond: dell optiplex? it is a two nic ;-) |
| 02:34.37 | Kevin` | ramond i'm not really sure. take a look at the defaults in the mke2fs program if your curious for some reason |
| 02:34.45 | Kevin` | ramond it should say when you run it though |
| 02:34.45 | blazemonger | i came across gnu+linux when i was trying to find software that did not require a billion gigabytes of memory and top of the line hardware |
| 02:35.09 | blazemonger | i wanted to do mostly digital art to spread out for free |
| 02:35.49 | blazemonger | rosegarden is great if you can get it working |
| 02:36.04 | abrotman | audacity? |
| 02:36.05 | blazemonger | it's like a non-bloated cubase/logic audio |
| 02:36.12 | blazemonger | audacity is great software too |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | for simple needs anyways |
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| 02:36.24 | abrotman | blazemonger: have you seen wired ? |
| 02:36.27 | blazemonger | like alot of this software i'm willing to donate to the projects |
| 02:36.30 | blazemonger | not seen wired |
| 02:36.33 | blazemonger | what is wired? |
| 02:36.39 | GhostlyDeath_ | copper? |
| 02:36.39 | blazemonger | i like the concept of the jack daemon |
| 02:36.56 | ramond | Kevin`, k. i have rsync '/' to this 160g sda1 partition. i want to switch over to using it to run my desktop. what do i need to do to it? |
| 02:37.11 | blazemonger | once the jack daemon gets it's kinks worked out man i feel sorry for proprietary software that does th is |
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| 02:37.40 | Sweetandy | Does anybody know any good Linux software just for musical scoring? |
| 02:37.50 | blazemonger | Sweetandy yes..rosegarden |
| 02:37.51 | abrotman | blazemonger: http://wired.epitech.net/ |
| 02:37.51 | mfrisch | lilypond |
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| 02:38.06 | abrotman | lilypond is supposed to be very very nice |
| 02:38.15 | jnguy | Hello. Anyone know the basics of getting raid SATA II to work with debian/grub? |
| 02:38.19 | Sweetandy | blazemonger: Ah |
| 02:38.21 | Kevin` | ramond you should configure /etc/fstab, your bootloader config, and probably reinstall your bootloader to the mbr on sda |
| 02:38.25 | jnguy | or have any experience with it. |
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| 02:38.45 | jnguy | The controller in question is a jmicron. |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | jnguy: which versino of debian ? |
| 02:38.58 | blazemonger | hell i know a dj/producer here who swears by the jack daemon concept..where all of the linux audio software can be integrated |
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| 02:38.59 | jnguy | etch |
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| 02:39.04 | Sivik | is there a program, like whowatch, that has a gui with real time updates |
| 02:39.05 | jnguy | abrotman: Hello again. |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | jnguy: should work from what i know |
| 02:39.39 | Sweetandy | WHAT!? 100MB to install Rosegarden!! |
| 02:39.42 | Sweetandy | Darn it, it's KDE |
| 02:39.45 | ramond | Kevin`, so it would be editing /etc/fstab, menu.lst and grub-install. do i grub-install to the sda or sda1? |
| 02:39.47 | blazemonger | he scrapped windows because of the jack daemon concept. |
| 02:39.51 | Sivik | thats cause kde is huge |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | Sweetandy: lilypond |
| 02:39.55 | blazemonger | rosegarden doesn't take up that much last time i checked |
| 02:40.00 | Kevin` | the keyboard on this computer stopped working for some reason after an accidental suspend/resume, i'm going to reboot it and i'll brb |
| 02:40.06 | jnguy | abrotman: I haven't done a debian install in quite a while, you can configure kernel/hardware stuff before first reboot on install, right? |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | no more reboot! |
| 02:40.27 | Kevin` | ramond I recommend to sda |
| 02:40.27 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Whoa thanks! |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | !info lilypond etch |
| 02:40.34 | blazemonger | there's a live cd which you can get which has nothing but linux audio appz |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | blazemonger: studio64 or some crap |
| 02:40.49 | dpkg | lilypond: (A program for typesetting sheet music), section tex, is optional. Version: 2.8.7-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1236 kB, Installed size: 3148 kB |
| 02:41.00 | blazemonger | it's called dyne:bolic |
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| 02:41.01 | ramond | Kevin', will go now to work on it. thks for all your help. it is much appreciated. bye. |
| 02:41.14 | alanhaggai | Debian Etch has SATA support? |
| 02:41.16 | Kevin` | ramond if grub doesn't work because the order of the bios drives changes after you install it, you can reinstall the mbr portion of grub using a command from a grub boot disk or cd |
| 02:41.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | What power configs take effect when idling on batteries? |
| 02:41.23 | Kevin` | meh bye ;) |
| 02:41.24 | Kevin` | brb |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | alanhaggai: yes |
| 02:41.42 | alanhaggai | Thank you abrotman |
| 02:41.52 | k-man | is the kernel package called linux-image or kernel-image in etch? |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | jnguy: i'm pretty sure it should work |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | k-man: linux-image |
| 02:42.00 | blazemonger | if i can get the buiult in synth on my onboard audio card working i'm in business |
| 02:42.11 | k-man | abrotman, yeah, i thought so. |
| 02:42.12 | abrotman | streuner: how's that work again ? |
| 02:42.17 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Lilypad takes more to install than Rosegarden. Is it GTK? |
| 02:42.19 | blazemonger | anyone here live in memphis tn? |
| 02:42.30 | k-man | abrotman, i think i'm missing a sources.list line or something as there are no linux-image options to install |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | jnguy: it's amodule AFAICT |
| 02:42.34 | mfrisch | Sweetandy: it has tex |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | Sweetandy: i thought so |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | !depends lilypond etch |
| 02:42.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | well waddya know! |
| 02:42.48 | dpkg | lilypond: depends on guile-1.8-libs, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgmp3c2, libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), python, guile-1.8, lilypond-data (= 2.8.7-3) |
| 02:42.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | sleepd's Description: "This is a daemon to put a laptop to sleep if it is not being used or if the battery is low." |
| 02:43.17 | GhostlyDeath_ | When I do nothing, this must kick in and fail to make it sleep |
| 02:43.18 | blazemonger | if anyone here is in memphis and wants to make a bit of chump change for helping me get the midi working on my system |
| 02:43.20 | blazemonger | ... |
| 02:43.27 | abrotman | Sweetandy: it's a gnome app |
| 02:43.42 | mfrisch | blazemonger: if my car would make it maybe. it won't |
| 02:43.45 | blazemonger | or would likie to be a mentor in teaching me how to program |
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| 02:43.53 | blazemonger | mfrisch:my car can make it |
| 02:44.12 | mfrisch | blazemonger: you want to come to ohio? |
| 02:44.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | hmm, man says the defualt idle time is 10 minutes, and it shuts down after about 10 to 20 minutes |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | mfrisch: does anyone ? |
| 02:44.58 | blazemonger | man..........if you can get my system running the jack daemon good i'll do almost anything |
| 02:45.04 | Hiryu | yep, KDE doesn't do the run dialog with F2 by default, it's Win+R |
| 02:45.09 | mfrisch | abrotman: I keep trying! ;-) |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | almost ? |
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| 02:45.25 | blazemonger | i want to learn how to program but don't know where to start i know i want to write audio plugins and audio software |
| 02:45.30 | blazemonger | and image stuff |
| 02:45.43 | Hiryu | sounds like C |
| 02:45.53 | mfrisch | blazemonger: a lot of that stuff is python |
| 02:46.31 | GhostlyDeath_ | maybe Starcraft will have sound lol |
| 02:46.34 | blazemonger | python? |
| 02:46.44 | GhostlyDeath_ | jackd is now installed |
| 02:46.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | python? |
| 02:46.49 | blazemonger | u mean i can program audio software in python? |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | python.org |
| 02:47.03 | purplepenguins | jackd makes me giggle when I hear it |
| 02:47.06 | blazemonger | is python lowlevel? |
| 02:47.12 | purplepenguins | no |
| 02:47.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | Python is a interpereted language right? |
| 02:47.16 | k-man | is there a default sources.list file for etch somewhere? |
| 02:47.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | like Java? |
| 02:47.22 | blazemonger | i want to learn assembly so i can code custom drivers |
| 02:47.27 | purplepenguins | it's similar to java |
| 02:47.31 | GhostlyDeath_ | blazemonger: learn assembly |
| 02:47.34 | purplepenguins | somewhat |
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| 02:47.37 | Hiryu | hahaha |
| 02:47.40 | blazemonger | the drivers for my mobo's audio card is only for redhat and suse :( |
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| 02:47.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | blazemonger: your probbaly better off with C |
| 02:47.54 | Hiryu | blazemonger: ignore ghostlydeath, starting with assembly will cause you have a ghostly death |
| 02:47.57 | blazemonger | but to me redhat and suse is a pain in the *#& for me to manage |
| 02:48.09 | purplepenguins | C is the best language for stuff that needs to be fast |
| 02:48.10 | Hiryu | C is a good place to start cuz it makes learning a lot of other languages easier |
| 02:48.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | purplepenguins: agreed |
| 02:48.34 | purplepenguins | I wouldn't say it is a "fun" language |
| 02:48.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | C++ with object orientation is good for working |
| 02:48.40 | purplepenguins | definitely not an "easy" language |
| 02:48.44 | dalias | C is the language that should be used for systems programming and application programming for apps intended for wide deployment |
| 02:48.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | like developing stuff |
| 02:48.55 | Hiryu | definitely for systems programming |
| 02:49.06 | purplepenguins | but if you need to do low-level C is your man |
| 02:49.07 | pmv | "fun" is subjective |
| 02:49.08 | GhostlyDeath_ | C++ should be used for non-games etc |
| 02:49.08 | dalias | perl, python, etc. are suitable for local/inhouse scripting, web apps, etc. |
| 02:49.15 | dalias | C++ should be taken out and shot |
| 02:49.17 | blazemonger | and cigarettes=necessary to |
| 02:49.17 | dalias | same for java |
| 02:49.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | Java just sucks |
| 02:49.25 | Hiryu | GhostlyDeath_: C++ seems to be the most popular for games though (I don't think it should be however) |
| 02:49.26 | Hiryu | I love java |
| 02:49.33 | purplepenguins | python is like java, except I like it |
| 02:49.38 | Sivik | there is a huge move toward C# for gaming |
| 02:49.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | Hiryu: I prefer C for games and C++ for making stuff like OpenOffice |
| 02:49.53 | Kevin` | C# for gaming? heh |
| 02:49.57 | dalias | lisp, scheme, caml, haskel, etc. are useful for more serious development, but they limit your target audience for deployment |
| 02:49.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | C# sucks |
| 02:50.02 | pmv | here we go |
| 02:50.04 | Kevin` | I thought gaming was about performance |
| 02:50.07 | purplepenguins | C#...it's okay, it's too much like Java though |
| 02:50.08 | GhostlyDeath_ | it is |
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| 02:50.12 | abrotman | okay .. you can stop now |
| 02:50.14 | eheil | java sucks. It isn't necissary b/c its not truly cross-platform porable. |
| 02:50.15 | Sivik | yeah, thats what they teach at the school where i go that has a program for game and simulation programming |
| 02:50.15 | mfrisch | !language war |
| 02:50.16 | dpkg | KILLLLLLLLLL THE INFIDELLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSS! |
| 02:50.18 | dalias | lua, forth, and scheme are all also nice as embedded languages |
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| 02:50.30 | purplepenguins | python is better for cross-platform compat I guess |
| 02:50.33 | pmv | best tool for the job |
| 02:50.36 | dalias | purplepenguins, nope |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | shut it already ... |
| 02:50.42 | dalias | python is nonportable shit |
| 02:50.47 | Hiryu | C# is what happens when microsoft gets sued for trying to embrace and extend java |
| 02:50.48 | dalias | i'm trying to build it right now, no luck |
| 02:50.59 | purplepenguins | depends on what you're doing |
| 02:51.21 | Kevin` | C# is better then java imo, except it's not very portable |
| 02:51.28 | Sivik | Hiryu: lol |
| 02:51.31 | dalias | java is not portable |
| 02:51.31 | purplepenguins | C# is very .NET |
| 02:51.34 | dalias | not in the slightest |
| 02:51.34 | Hiryu | what makes it better? just wondering? |
| 02:51.36 | Kevin` | so not useful for more then windows stuff :) |
| 02:51.38 | Hiryu | Sivik: well, it's true :) |
| 02:51.52 | dalias | saying java is portable is like saying snes games are portable |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | hi .. i just installed debian .. how do i make it have windows ? |
| 02:51.58 | Sivik | i would have to agree with you |
| 02:52.04 | Sivik | abrotman: vmware |
| 02:52.06 | dalias | just because you can run an emulator on a large number of operating systems doesn't make a lang portable |
| 02:52.10 | Hiryu | dalias: only if snes games were made to be emulated |
| 02:52.11 | pmv | abrotman: lol |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | Sivik: not windows .. like windows |
| 02:52.27 | purplepenguins | is this an honest question |
| 02:52.31 | GhostlyDeath_ | hmm |
| 02:52.37 | dalias | purplepenguins, what is the question? |
| 02:52.43 | blazemonger | i 'm not rich enough to afford microsoft |
| 02:52.44 | purplepenguins | what abrotman said |
| 02:52.45 | Sivik | abrotman: install gnome, kde, blackbox, enlightenment |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | no .. it's a ruse to get you guys to stop arguing for no good reason |
| 02:52.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | with Mono can I run apps created with MSVC++ 2k5 (the exes)? |
| 02:52.59 | pmv | :-p |
| 02:53.00 | purplepenguins | e-penis is always good reason |
| 02:53.00 | GhostlyDeath_ | .NET CLR apps? |
| 02:53.05 | mfrisch | abrotman: please make the coders stop |
| 02:53.11 | dalias | 8============================================D |
| 02:53.18 | purplepenguins | fwiw I'm not a coder |
| 02:53.24 | purplepenguins | I just pretend to be on the internets |
| 02:53.24 | dalias | (sizeof(epenis) -> ∞) |
| 02:53.28 | pmv | ahahaha |
| 02:53.38 | GhostlyDeath_ | oh yeah? |
| 02:53.43 | GhostlyDeath_ | I can do Unicode too! |
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| 02:53.54 | dalias | yes but you don't memorize the codepoints i bet :P |
| 02:53.56 | purplepenguins | I took some entry-level programming in Java/C# and I've dabbled in Python but I'm not a coder |
| 02:54.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | altgr/ |
| 02:54.12 | Kevin` | hey my terminal here actually does unicode? :D |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | Kevin`: many do now |
| 02:54.29 | pmv | what terms do you guys use anyhow? |
| 02:54.33 | lontra | abrotman: why do you want to install windows on debian? that's like wicked stupid or some shit |
| 02:54.35 | dalias | abrotman, to various half-working degrees, yes.. |
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| 02:54.39 | abrotman | lontra: it was a joke |
| 02:54.42 | Kevin` | linux VC and xterm |
| 02:54.44 | lontra | abrotman: i know |
| 02:54.46 | blazemonger | this wired app looks neat |
| 02:54.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | altgr third level choosers or seomthing? |
| 02:54.51 | dalias | pmv, i use uuterm, my own evil concoction |
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| 02:55.00 | blazemonger | i like to stick with the gnu /free software licenses |
| 02:55.01 | lontra | abrotman: obviously you're smarter than that |
| 02:55.02 | kamiro87 | HEllo i'm trying to install debina 3.1 on mu untrasparc10 and i keep getting a kernel panic when booting the live CD. "KErnbel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 |
| 02:55.03 | c|int | heya |
| 02:55.10 | dalias | $ ls -l uuterm-fb |
| 02:55.11 | dalias | -rwxr-xr-x 1 dalias users 32768 Mar 31 07:41 uuterm-fb |
| 02:55.12 | c|int | any admins here? |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | dalias: yeah well .. better than before by a long shot |
| 02:55.20 | Gnea | kamiro87: have you tried using Etch yet? |
| 02:55.21 | dalias | static :) |
| 02:55.32 | kamiro87 | the 4 one? |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | kamiro87: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 02:55.36 | kamiro87 | no |
| 02:55.37 | Gnea | c|int: just ask your question |
| 02:55.40 | kamiro87 | booting from netinst |
| 02:55.45 | Kevin` | c|int looking to steal someone away from their current job? ;) |
| 02:55.47 | c|int | I need to speak to the admins of #debian |
| 02:55.52 | GhostlyDeath_ | Can anyone tell me why Scrolllock does not work? |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | c|int: just ask |
| 02:55.54 | Kevin` | ah channel admins |
| 02:55.56 | purplepenguins | urxvt is nice |
| 02:56.00 | Gnea | kamiro87: ok, well you'll need to try that since it's the latest stable |
| 02:56.03 | purplepenguins | for a terminal |
| 02:56.03 | lontra | c|int: ask the ops |
| 02:56.06 | Gnea | c|int: again, ASK. |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | c|int: what do you want them for ? |
| 02:56.08 | c|int | I want to say I" appologize for cussin in here, a couple months back , and snapping.. |
| 02:56.16 | c|int | and crossing server bans |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | i think they've forgiven you by now :) |
| 02:56.25 | kamiro87 | sure |
| 02:56.26 | Gnea | c|int: you're better off just keeping your mouth shut. |
| 02:56.26 | mfrisch | c|int: ah the road to recovery |
| 02:56.26 | pmv | lol |
| 02:56.29 | c|int | can Zoo and clintsnet be uplifted? |
| 02:56.30 | blazemonger | i heard of one distro based on debian&ubuntu called gnewsense |
| 02:56.35 | dalias | xterm, urxvt, and mlterm all work to moderate degrees for non-complex scripts. mlterm also halfway works for indic and arabic (special-casing) |
| 02:56.36 | pmv | "oh wait, you that guy?" |
| 02:56.37 | mfrisch | abrotman: forgotten him by now |
| 02:56.39 | pmv | "*bans*" |
| 02:56.40 | lontra | maybe not dpkg ... she never forgets |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | c|int: you'll have to ask the op that banned you |
| 02:56.43 | c|int | I've just pretty much took my own journey etc |
| 02:56.47 | eheil | nn |
| 02:56.48 | dalias | konsole, gnome-terminal, and xfce-terminal are broken to hell |
| 02:56.51 | eheil | n |
| 02:56.56 | purplepenguins | who uses those |
| 02:56.56 | c|int | working my tail off at job.. :( |
| 02:57.00 | eheil | n |
| 02:57.01 | dalias | aterm, rxvt, eterm, etc. have no unicode support |
| 02:57.05 | Gnea | c|int: you're not the only one... but again, it's in the past, so just don't do it again and it's all good |
| 02:57.09 | GhostlyDeath_ | I can instantly switch from a USA key layout to a GBr layout |
| 02:57.19 | purplepenguins | except those crazy KDE, Gnome and Xfce people |
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| 02:57.23 | abrotman | dalias: maybe because that version of Eterm is what .. five years old ? |
| 02:57.25 | dalias | purplepenguins, indeed |
| 02:57.29 | Gnea | c|int: yeah well i can't stand rabbits |
| 02:57.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | You gotta learn what keys are though |
| 02:57.35 | c|int | anyone here, when they work, feel like there working for 4 other people :( |
| 02:57.39 | Kevin` | can someone paste some random unicode chars in here for testing? japanese or something, or whatever you want |
| 02:57.43 | dalias | abrotman, unicode is about 17 years old and utf-8 is 15 years old. not an excuse :) |
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| 02:57.52 | c|int | btw.. my work with debian is going well :) |
| 02:57.55 | Gnea | c|int: that's just part of a work environment. adapt or get the fuck out. |
| 02:57.56 | dalias | kevin`, ã«ã»ã‚“ã” |
| 02:58.00 | purplepenguins | and I can't find an OS that has unicode support by default |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | dalias: it is when you're talking about Eterm .. they make it look pretty .. not work well :) |
| 02:58.07 | c|int | well, I can adapt... lmao :) |
| 02:58.13 | Kevin` | dalias hmm that works in xterm but not VC |
| 02:58.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | ﾕﾅニホモマノノ |
| 02:58.18 | mfrisch | dalias: I got strange letters |
| 02:58.25 | GhostlyDeath_ | Katakana? |
| 02:58.28 | purplepenguins | that didn't work for me in this PUTTY session |
| 02:58.33 | c|int | I'm going to be bartending pretty soon, and making $8 an hour plus getting tips, at fancy resteraunt, I'm just trying to get my books paid at RMC :) |
| 02:58.41 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.42 | dalias | purplepenguins, you have to set putty to utf-8 |
| 02:58.49 | Gnea | eæ†W*ìå§îBœ}¥)kW(ùB‚¡ÚOal«ý!¾b=uŒ |
| 02:58.50 | blazemonger | how can i tell if my motherboard has a proprietary chipset? |
| 02:58.53 | dalias | gnea, wtf.. |
| 02:58.54 | zoidy | I just installed FFMPEG but when converting videos I get no sound, how can I fix that? |
| 02:58.55 | purplepenguins | it's not my computer so I didn't bother messing with it |
| 02:58.57 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 02:59.00 | c|int | if I even want to sign a contract with Cisco, I'll start off with 60k and move up to 80 k |
| 02:59.02 | Gnea | dalias: exactly. |
| 02:59.03 | dalias | was that /dev/urandom?! |
| 02:59.04 | Kevin` | Gnea that didn't work well, unless it's supposed to be random crap |
| 02:59.09 | GhostlyDeath_ | î„ž |
| 02:59.14 | purplepenguins | ouch, random crap hurts |
| 02:59.20 | c|int | but really... I plan to just open my own shop as things are going okay :) |
| 02:59.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | Gnea: nice boxes with numbers and letters |
| 02:59.39 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath_ your last one was just a box for me |
| 02:59.43 | dalias | utf-8 is so robust against random data :) |
| 02:59.50 | GhostlyDeath_ | î„ž? |
| 02:59.51 | Gnea | Kevin`: it was from /dev/urandom, which is pretty much what it looks like you all are typing/pasting |
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| 02:59.55 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath_ ya |
| 02:59.59 | GhostlyDeath_ | I use Sans |
| 03:00.05 | Kevin` | hehe Gnea |
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| 03:00.15 | nataku | hello, I was wondering how to convert .bwt blindwrite CD images into .isos |
| 03:00.16 | Gnea | i use Eterm and screen, utf-8 is horribly broken |
| 03:00.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | ⣳⣠⣺⢮⡣⠦⠣⠱⠴⠺â¡â¡šâ¡–⠗⠧⢮⢞⢛ |
| 03:00.38 | Kevin` | i'm using xterm+screen+ssh+another screen |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | Gnea: in E17 ? |
| 03:00.42 | Kevin` | ooh cool GhostlyDeath_ |
| 03:00.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | I have no clue what that says |
| 03:00.43 | blazemonger | i'm trying to pass the RMS purity test |
| 03:00.44 | Sweetandy | !etc |
| 03:00.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, etc is something marginally brain-dead people say when they know their statement is incomplete, but they can't figure out how to complete it or /etc, the directory that contains all the config files |
| 03:00.45 | Gnea | abrotman: yes. |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | Gnea: and it's still broken ? |
| 03:00.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | Kevin`braille heh |
| 03:01.02 | Sweetandy | !usr |
| 03:01.12 | dalias | สวัสดีครับ, สวัสดีค่ะ |
| 03:01.17 | Gnea | abrotman: all i see is crap. hell, maybe i don't have it setup right. but everytime i've tried to set it up it always looks like pure crap |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | Gnea: see comment above about making it pretty .. not work well :) |
| 03:01.39 | dalias | gnea, you need to tell screen that your eterm is broken and does not respect the locale's encoding |
| 03:01.42 | dalias | e.g. |
| 03:01.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | ♪♩ Wherever I may roam! ♩♬ |
| 03:01.58 | dalias | terminfo Eterm KJ=ISO-8859-1 |
| 03:02.05 | dalias | (in your .screenrc) |
| 03:02.09 | Gnea | KJ? |
| 03:02.16 | dalias | replace Eterm with whatever eterm sets $TERM to |
| 03:02.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | Kevin`, you ♲? |
| 03:02.28 | dalias | gnea, it's a made-up screen terminfo entry |
| 03:02.30 | dalias | for charset |
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| 03:02.47 | Gnea | k |
| 03:02.52 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath_ looks like arrows in circle |
| 03:02.59 | dalias | नमसà¥à¤¤à¥‡, नमसà¥à¤•à¤¾à¤° । |
| 03:03.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | Kevin` Recycling logo |
| 03:03.04 | Kevin` | http://kwzs/be/~kevin/utf8.jpg |
| 03:03.08 | dalias | ЗдравÑтвуйте! |
| 03:03.11 | mfrisch | the letters are all so small |
| 03:03.15 | c|int | I went up back in March 2nd, til Tuesday the 13th, went to Maine, US< worked on systems... got to see New York City, it was someting else.. hehe, being in Illinois.. Chicago isn't nothing compared to NY City :P |
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| 03:03.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: crylic |
| 03:03.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | cryllic* |
| 03:03.39 | c|int | anyone here live in NY, or on the East Coast ? |
| 03:03.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | Kevin`you mean .be? |
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| 03:03.56 | mfrisch | abrotman: hide |
| 03:03.58 | dalias | སà¾à½´à¼‹à½à½˜à½¦à¼‹à½–ཟང༠|
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | c|int: do you actually have a debian question ? |
| 03:04.03 | Kevin` | yes I do heh |
| 03:04.09 | c|int | lol.. luv you too abrotman |
| 03:04.11 | c|int | ;-) |
| 03:04.18 | dalias | Γειά σας |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | uh .. i was being serious |
| 03:04.27 | GhostlyDeath_ | Kevin`, lisa? |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | dalias: can you msg him that crap or something? :) |
| 03:04.42 | dalias | Szép jó napot! |
| 03:04.49 | dalias | message who what? |
| 03:04.50 | c|int | don't worry, I'll get people to send you all some donations. via pay pal , cheer ya up a bit :) |
| 03:04.52 | Gnea | c|int: heh, that's got to be quite a change from the midwest... i mean, getting all real 'n shit instead of being cropped up in someone elses convention ;) |
| 03:05.04 | mfrisch | abrotman: he's talking about yo mama |
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| 03:05.10 | c|int | hee Gnea :) |
| 03:05.19 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, which ones could you see? |
| 03:05.25 | kamiro87 | I tried versiom 4.0 on my ultraspark10 and i get the error "Data Access Exception before it even loads the kernel |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 03:05.35 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 03:05.41 | c|int | I was reviewing that XGL + Compiz is capable on Etch |
| 03:05.42 | kamiro87 | right after "loading initial ramdisk..." |
| 03:05.44 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath_ ostname: lisa - OS: Linux 2.6.18-4-486/i586 - CPU: Pentium MMX (149.698 MHz) - Processes: 64 - Uptime: 19m - Load Average: 1.22 - Memory Usage: 32.82MB/140.09MB (23.43%) - Disk Usage: 1.77GB/18.21GB (9.73%) |
| 03:05.48 | dalias | 안녕하세요, 안녕하ì‹ë‹ˆê¹Œ |
| 03:05.52 | Kevin` | load average is from compiling linux |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | kamiro87: and that channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:05.58 | Gnea | Kevin`: oh snap, i see the braille in your screenshot now... |
| 03:06.02 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do you do that? |
| 03:06.20 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: it's weird I select it and the characters chnage |
| 03:06.22 | purplepenguins | nice system there Kevin |
| 03:06.25 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm trying to get an old laptop back to debian, and I was surprised to find that no ethernet card is found |
| 03:06.27 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath_ random script called sysinfo.pl |
| 03:06.37 | dalias | ℕ ⊆ ℕ₀ ⊂ ℤ ⊂ ℚ ⊂ ℠⊂ ℂ |
| 03:06.41 | purplepenguins | ... |
| 03:06.41 | Kevin` | ty purplepenguins |
| 03:06.43 | GhostlyDeath_ | I can see the Γειά σας but the one before it is all blah |
| 03:06.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: yes |
| 03:07.12 | abrotman | dalias: please stop |
| 03:07.18 | Gnea | c|int: ok look, it's been a fun conversation, but you really need to stick to topic and stop spewing your thoughts aimlessly into the channel. |
| 03:07.19 | purplepenguins | that was some badly rendered unicde there, spanned six lines |
| 03:07.34 | Xenguy | I'm using a netinstall CD at the moment; is there any reason it would make any difference if I try CD1 instead of netinst ? |
| 03:07.42 | abrotman | Xenguy: not likely |
| 03:07.44 | dalias | abrotman, why, is it screwing something up for you? |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | Xenguy: same kernel on both CDs |
| 03:07.52 | abrotman | dalias: no .. it's just stupid |
| 03:07.53 | eheil | Hey, any of you booted Etch on an UltraSparc II workstation? b/c we have kernel panics here. |
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| 03:08.10 | mfrisch | c|int: kfreebsd |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | dalias: they don't need you to spew shit in here to test unicode .. |
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| 03:08.21 | c|int | nah thats cool :) |
| 03:08.26 | purplepenguins | debian and ultrasparc seem to go together a lot |
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| 03:08.28 | dalias | what if i want to talk in greek? :) |
| 03:08.33 | c|int | you all have a good 1 :) |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | there's a greek channel |
| 03:08.37 | Sweetandy | Latin!!! |
| 03:08.39 | dalias | heh |
| 03:08.49 | dalias | sweetandy, for latin ascii will suffice |
| 03:08.55 | Xenguy | abrotman: Breezy (older version of Ubu) is installed currently; I can't believe that Debian can't see eth :-/ |
| 03:09.06 | abrotman | Xenguy: is it ISA ? |
| 03:09.10 | purplepenguins | is it Etch Xenguy? |
| 03:09.12 | dalias | english and latin are basically the only two languages which can be written entirely with ascii |
| 03:09.15 | Sweetandy | Suntne ulli qui in latina dicunt? |
| 03:09.18 | c|int | wish ya the best in life, just wanted to be mature, and admit I was wrong for cussin the channel out, back a few months ago, because of the politics.. and attidudes |
| 03:09.22 | Xenguy | purplepenguins: nope, testing |
| 03:09.27 | purplepenguins | okay |
| 03:09.34 | purplepenguins | what chipset, do you know? |
| 03:09.43 | Gnea | c|int: it's all forgiven, go have fun :) |
| 03:09.45 | c|int | hope everyone accomplishes alot in life |
| 03:09.51 | c|int | take care, |
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| 03:09.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | I tried running Linux on my toaster and it exploded |
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| 03:10.07 | amphi | c|int: 'attidudes'? |
| 03:10.07 | Kevin` | rofl |
| 03:10.08 | dalias | .. |
| 03:10.13 | Xenguy | abrotman: I'm not sure; about all I know is that it is a laptop, and current OS detects it as 'Xircom' -- does that help? |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 03:10.14 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 03:10.20 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath_: remote administered toast again? |
| 03:10.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | !sing tuesday |
| 03:10.22 | Gnea | amphi: don't bother reading into it... |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | Xenguy: did you load up pcmcia-utils ? |
| 03:10.33 | c|int | peace.. |
| 03:10.38 | amphi | Gnea: ;) |
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| 03:10.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | mfrisch: I sent it the command "toast -t 60" under # |
| 03:10.54 | GhostlyDeath_ | while remote consoleing |
| 03:10.56 | Xenguy | abrotman: nope - when should I try that, during install, or ... ? |
| 03:10.58 | mfrisch | yeah yah |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | !info pcmciautils |
| 03:11.16 | Xenguy | purplepenguins: xircom is all I know, on a Dell Latitude CPi D300XT |
| 03:11.17 | GhostlyDeath_ | man toast says "-t x, time in seconds to cook toast" |
| 03:11.26 | dalias | i wonder if there's any command line program which can make dummy ms word files to wrap text files |
| 03:11.31 | dalias | maybe rtf would work instead.. |
| 03:11.36 | dpkg | pcmciautils: (PCMCIA utilities for Linux 2.6), section admin, is extra. Version: 014-3 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 03:12.05 | amphi | dalias: something like antiword + fmt ? |
| 03:12.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | mfrisch: how would I fix it? |
| 03:12.15 | dalias | amphi, the other way around. wrap, not unwrap |
| 03:12.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | should I remove "exploded" (Explode Daemon)? |
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| 03:12.53 | purplepenguins | lol |
| 03:12.55 | Kevin` | how do you play a cd with mplayer |
| 03:12.57 | purplepenguins | exploded? |
| 03:13.06 | dalias | (yes this is actually related to the unicode discussion.. the point being that shitty windows MUA's butcher inline utf-8/unicode rendering, so it would possibly be useful to be able to make a word doc to wrap the content) |
| 03:13.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | explode d, like ftpd, bnetd, acpid, you know |
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| 03:13.16 | dalias | kevin`, mplayer cdda:// |
| 03:13.23 | purplepenguins | i think you can do something like cdrom:// |
| 03:13.25 | dalias | kevin`, optionally include a track range at the end |
| 03:13.27 | purplepenguins | oh, dalias had it |
| 03:13.31 | dalias | like mplayer cdda://1-1 |
| 03:13.36 | Kevin` | thanks |
| 03:13.42 | dalias | purplepenguins, of course i have it, i'm on the dev team :) |
| 03:13.59 | eheil | Hey, why was wodim used as a cdrecord's replacement in Debian? Just wondering. |
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| 03:14.01 | purplepenguins | oh really? thanks then |
| 03:14.05 | dalias | np |
| 03:14.05 | purplepenguins | I love mplayer |
| 03:14.14 | dalias | i dont actually do much work myself anymore |
| 03:14.17 | dalias | but i'm still around |
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| 03:14.35 | Gnea | dalias: would that be termcapinfo and not terminfo? |
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| 03:14.52 | GhostlyDeath_ | I use totem or rythmbox music player, don't like mplayer that much - reminds me of WinAmp,RealPlayer (skinned) and Windows Media player (skinned) together |
| 03:15.00 | dalias | gnea, it could be. but 'termcap' is only used if your screen was compiled against ancient libtermcap |
| 03:15.02 | Xenguy | abrotman: so how would I use 'pcmciautils' (which appears to be in Testing) ? |
| 03:15.13 | dalias | which doesn't apply to the debian version or any modern systems that i know of |
| 03:15.14 | pmv | <3 <3 <3 mplayer |
| 03:15.24 | dalias | it's mainly if you want to share your .screenrc with old systems |
| 03:15.30 | dalias | ♥ :) |
| 03:15.31 | Gnea | dalias: i'm using whatever is in sid, nothing modified |
| 03:15.41 | Gnea | dalias: er, not sid, but sarge |
| 03:15.46 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:15.49 | dalias | gnea, well terminfo or termcapinfo, either would be just as good |
| 03:15.56 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:16.11 | Gnea | termcapinfo xterm*|rxvt*|kterm*|Eterm* hs:ts=\E]0;:fs=\007:ds=\E]0;\00 <-- is that still valid for titlebar title? |
| 03:16.22 | dalias | yes, sadly i know the codepoint number for BLACK HEART SUIT as well :P |
| 03:16.26 | dalias | U+2665 |
| 03:16.30 | lontra | what's a good anti-spam program? |
| 03:16.35 | lontra | spamassasin? |
| 03:16.45 | dalias | gnea, yeah |
| 03:16.56 | dalias | just add another thing to the end |
| 03:17.01 | Gnea | lontra: spamassassin is good, sa-exim with exim4 is ultra-good |
| 03:17.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: hah that reminds me of The legend of zelda: Links awakening where they would say "Do you want this �" |
| 03:17.11 | dalias | :KJ=ISO-8859-1 |
| 03:17.15 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:17.40 | lontra | Gnea: thanks |
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| 03:17.53 | purplepenguins | hello THIEF |
| 03:18.07 | GhostlyDeath_ | hah |
| 03:18.09 | dalias | also if you prefer, you could configure your Eterm, etc. for another charset instead of latin1 |
| 03:18.17 | Gnea | purplepenguins: who are you talking to? |
| 03:18.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | purplepenguins: how does he have a laser gun? |
| 03:18.19 | purplepenguins | I haven't played that game in over ten years |
| 03:18.29 | dalias | such as greek, cyrillic, etc. |
| 03:18.31 | purplepenguins | it was a LoZ:LA ref |
| 03:18.37 | Gnea | oh lol |
| 03:18.40 | dalias | but it can only do one 8bit codepage at a time |
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| 03:18.46 | dalias | no utf-8 :( |
| 03:19.05 | Trollinator | Hi, |
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| 03:19.05 | Azar | cdrecord issue excerpt: "Unfortunately Sun then developed the CDDL[1] and J=F6rg Schilling released parts of recent versions of cdrtools under this license. The CDDL is incompatible with the GPL. The FSF itself says that this is the case as do people who helped draft the CDDL." more here: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/68828/index.html |
| 03:19.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | Gnea: If you stole from the store (and saved), everyone would call you THEIF |
| 03:19.09 | GhostlyDeath_ | purplepenguins: there is a way to go around it |
| 03:19.12 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 03:19.15 | purplepenguins | the shopkeeper can kill you too |
| 03:19.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | I stole and was never called a THEIF lol |
| 03:19.25 | purplepenguins | you have to do it a few times |
| 03:19.25 | Trollinator | can anybody tell me a turing machine that has no more than 20 states and caclulates 113? |
| 03:19.27 | Azar | misterrrr Gnea! :) |
| 03:19.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | purplepenguins: He's got a tazer or something |
| 03:19.39 | dalias | azar, indeed |
| 03:19.42 | Gnea | Azar: g'day sir :) |
| 03:19.43 | purplepenguins | Trollinator: try a computer science channel maybe... |
| 03:19.45 | dalias | schilly is such an asshole |
| 03:19.47 | purplepenguins | or math |
| 03:19.54 | dalias | typical annoying sun fanboy |
| 03:19.58 | purplepenguins | that is #math |
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| 03:20.06 | Trollinator | purplepenguins: thanks. |
| 03:20.10 | dalias | also a shareware loser |
| 03:20.17 | purplepenguins | shareware is teh suck |
| 03:20.23 | pmv | ian murdock seems to be quite the sun fanboy too |
| 03:20.26 | purplepenguins | sun does have some nice things though |
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| 03:20.32 | Azar | well, Debian team sais he was a nice guy.. |
| 03:20.43 | Gnea|UTF8 | dalias: ok, print some braille |
| 03:20.57 | dalias | â¡â œâ ‡â ‘â ¹ â ºâ â Ž ⠙⠑â ⠙⠒ â žâ • ⠃⠑⠛⠔ ⠺⠊⠹⠲ ⡹⠻⠑ â Šâ Ž â â • ⠙⠳⠃⠞ |
| 03:21.01 | Gnea|UTF8 | argh |
| 03:21.04 | Azar | ew |
| 03:21.04 | dalias | you won't see braille |
| 03:21.06 | Gnea|UTF8 | it's still jibberish |
| 03:21.08 | dalias | but you should just see ?'s |
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| 03:21.14 | Gnea|UTF8 | nope |
| 03:21.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: What does it say in english? |
| 03:21.18 | Azar | dingbats |
| 03:21.20 | purplepenguins | joerg or ian? |
| 03:21.30 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, its the first line of "a christmas carol" |
| 03:21.34 | Gnea|UTF8 | dalias: okay, with irssi, maybe i should be setting something else? |
| 03:21.39 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: how's it go? |
| 03:21.45 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, i dunno :P |
| 03:21.54 | dalias | gnea, try this in screen: |
| 03:21.54 | GreaseMonkey | meh, you could always do sideways braille |
| 03:22.01 | GreaseMonkey | ':. |
| 03:22.06 | dalias | ^A : utf8 on off [enter] |
| 03:22.12 | simonrvn | i see the braille |
| 03:22.21 | Trollinator | i do too |
| 03:22.32 | dalias | yeah gnea is using Eterm tho :P |
| 03:22.35 | dalias | which sucks hehe |
| 03:22.46 | purplepenguins | I used eterm once |
| 03:22.55 | Gnea|UTF8 | dalias: i don't understand... do i type 'utf8 on off [enter]' while holding down ^A? |
| 03:22.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm usng X-Chat GNOME |
| 03:23.12 | Gnea|UTF8 | cuz after the 'u' it starts echoing the rest into the terminal |
| 03:23.13 | GhostlyDeath_ | oh no I'm choking |
| 03:23.17 | Gnea|UTF8 | tf8 |
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| 03:23.24 | dalias | you first press control+a |
| 03:23.27 | dalias | then you press : |
| 03:23.35 | dalias | then you type "utf8 on off" (without the quote marks) |
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| 03:23.38 | dalias | then press enter |
| 03:23.38 | Gnea|UTF8 | aaaah |
| 03:23.42 | Gnea|UTF8 | got it |
| 03:23.56 | GreaseMonkey | how do i get utf8 on xchat? |
| 03:23.56 | Gnea|UTF8 | thanks :) |
| 03:23.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | utf8 on |
| 03:24.01 | ramond | trying to get a new sata drive to run as a current pata drive, one with partition sda1 and the other hda2. have rsync '/' of hda2 to sda1, grub-install /dev/sda and edit the menu.lst of sda. But when i try to boot fr the sda, I get "GRUB hard disk error'. I had checked that the BIOS boot dev is the sda. what more to check? |
| 03:24.03 | Gnea|UTF8 | ok, now i see the question marks when i redraw |
| 03:24.04 | GhostlyDeath_ | doesn't do anything |
| 03:24.07 | GreaseMonkey | warning: it's old: 2.0.8 |
| 03:24.11 | Gnea|UTF8 | well, a bit more than question marks |
| 03:24.12 | dalias | "utf8 on off" means: utf8 on for current window, off for physical terminal (eterm) |
| 03:24.18 | Gnea|UTF8 | ?M?\?G?Q? |
| 03:24.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | ? |
| 03:24.27 | dalias | gnea, hmm weird |
| 03:24.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | ?M?\?G?Q? !?!?!? |
| 03:24.37 | Gnea|UTF8 | lol |
| 03:24.42 | purplepenguins | how old is kernel 2.2.x? |
| 03:24.42 | Gnea|UTF8 | that was a cut 'n paste |
| 03:24.44 | dalias | in irssi, /set term_charset |
| 03:24.46 | dalias | see what it says |
| 03:24.47 | Gnea|UTF8 | purplepenguins: old. |
| 03:24.52 | purplepenguins | as in years |
| 03:25.03 | dalias | 2.2.x is ANCIENT :) |
| 03:25.15 | dalias | my p75 laptop (unmaintained, no batt) has it :P |
| 03:25.17 | purplepenguins | I was given a server with woody using a 2.2 kernel... |
| 03:25.19 | Gnea|UTF8 | purplepenguins: no one in their right mind uses it anymore. :) |
| 03:25.26 | purplepenguins | it's pentium pro |
| 03:25.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm such a loser |
| 03:25.56 | wols | purplepenguins: upgrade to sarge then to etch |
| 03:26.10 | wols | upgrade to a woody 2.4 kernel first tho |
| 03:26.13 | ramond | when i grub-install /dev/sda, the system indicates (hd1) for the drive. in the menu.lst of sda, i use (hd1,0) to refer to the first partition of the drive. is that right? |
| 03:26.15 | purplepenguins | I thought about trying to upgrade it to etch but I haven't gotten around to it |
| 03:26.20 | Gnea|UTF8 | 23:10 ::: Irssi: Unknown setting term_charset |
| 03:26.36 | dalias | wow your irssi is old |
| 03:26.40 | dalias | try /set term_charset |
| 03:26.41 | Gnea|UTF8 | term_type maybe? |
| 03:26.44 | dalias | errm |
| 03:26.45 | dalias | yes |
| 03:26.47 | dalias | term_type i meant |
| 03:26.53 | Gnea|UTF8 | ok |
| 03:26.54 | dalias | term_charset in modern versions |
| 03:26.54 | purplepenguins | don't know what to do with it |
| 03:26.58 | dalias | term_type is ancient |
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| 03:26.58 | Gnea|UTF8 | 8bit |
| 03:27.04 | dalias | set it to utf-8 |
| 03:27.07 | dalias | and see if that helps |
| 03:27.16 | Gnea|UTF8 | 23:11 ::: Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.9 (20031210 2316) |
| 03:27.22 | Gnea|UTF8 | 2003?! |
| 03:27.24 | dalias | but i think the problem is that your ancient irssi is linked to an ancient ncurses without utf-8 support |
| 03:27.25 | Gnea|UTF8 | holy shit... |
| 03:27.26 | Kinks | rofl |
| 03:27.29 | Gnea|UTF8 | that IS old |
| 03:27.32 | purplepenguins | irssi is old |
| 03:27.44 | Gnea|UTF8 | leave my mom out of this! |
| 03:27.44 | GhostlyDeath_ | nah |
| 03:27.45 | dalias | 0.8.10 is current and 0.8.11 is in the works |
| 03:27.45 | purplepenguins | how do you see that? |
| 03:27.47 | wols | ramond: no. hd1 is hd1,0 then |
| 03:27.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | 1995 is old |
| 03:27.55 | purplepenguins | in irssi |
| 03:28.00 | Gnea|UTF8 | *headdesk* |
| 03:28.01 | simonrvn | .:23:27:44:. ==> Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.10 (20051211 0941) |
| 03:28.13 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 03:28.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | Where can I get a 1995 irrsi? |
| 03:28.16 | purplepenguins | heh, 1995, I used a 386 with windows 3.1 back then |
| 03:28.23 | dalias | 0.8.9 would work if it were linked with a working ncurses, or without using ncurses at all |
| 03:28.29 | ramond | wols: sorry, don't get you. |
| 03:28.34 | dalias | but ncurses (non-wide version) is broken and mangles the utf-8 |
| 03:28.46 | Gnea|UTF8 | in 1995, ircII with the phoenix script was where it was at.... |
| 03:28.50 | dalias | lol |
| 03:28.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | How would I install Debian on a shitty PC? |
| 03:29.01 | purplepenguins | I didn't know what Linux was until 2004 |
| 03:29.02 | dalias | ircII-epic with splitfire was where it was at |
| 03:29.03 | GhostlyDeath_ | I mean no CD Support |
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| 03:29.06 | diskus | GhostlyDeath_: with hands |
| 03:29.08 | dalias | /<-lame!!!! |
| 03:29.12 | ShiFTKey | Hey im having a small problem |
| 03:29.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | uses old stuff |
| 03:29.17 | Gnea|UTF8 | GhostlyDeath_: use the shitty-pc option at boot: ;) |
| 03:29.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | ISA |
| 03:29.25 | wols | ramond: if grub-install thinks it's hd1, then use that in menu.lst. nothing else |
| 03:29.28 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, heh |
| 03:29.29 | simonrvn | shitty-boot-2.1 |
| 03:29.33 | GreaseMonkey | GhostlyDeath_: you might want to consider an external CD drive |
| 03:29.37 | purplepenguins | my first install was debian woody using 2.4, it was a disaster |
| 03:29.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | ISA, pre SD RAM, NO USB |
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| 03:29.43 | ShiFTKey | When I install the latest nvidia driver, im able to launch startx, but after I reboot, it stops working |
| 03:29.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | 1 IDE channel |
| 03:29.47 | Gnea|UTF8 | dalias: epic rocked |
| 03:29.48 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, if you have a network device, you could network-boot it |
| 03:29.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | heh |
| 03:29.59 | GhostlyDeath_ | There is no net boot opion |
| 03:30.05 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: dude, if you don't have PCI I sure hope you don't have USB |
| 03:30.05 | ramond | in grub notation, like root (hd1) rather than root (hd1,0)? |
| 03:30.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | unless you can netboot off a flopyy |
| 03:30.10 | Azar | ShiFTKey: no .dm? |
| 03:30.12 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, you should be able to |
| 03:30.14 | diskus | purplepenguins: mine was debian 1.3, don't remember what kernel it used, probably 2.0 |
| 03:30.15 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath_ preinstall linux on the hard drive |
| 03:30.25 | Gnea|UTF8 | peterS: they made ISA usb cards? |
| 03:30.25 | wols | !rube goldberg install |
| 03:30.25 | Kevin` | you CAN netboot off a floppy |
| 03:30.25 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 03:30.27 | GhostlyDeath_ | It doesn't take ... what is it again? |
| 03:30.27 | purplepenguins | I tried sarge and it worked like a dream |
| 03:30.29 | Kevin` | or install linux form a floppy |
| 03:30.29 | GreaseMonkey | ^ what Kevin` said |
| 03:30.30 | dalias | yes, preinstall is a good idea too |
| 03:30.31 | peterS | Gnea|UTF8: not that I've ever heard of |
| 03:30.41 | purplepenguins | can you send me etch on punch cards? |
| 03:30.42 | Gnea|UTF8 | peterS: same here...huh |
| 03:30.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | It has 16MB of ram |
| 03:30.47 | purplepenguins | I'll pay for shipping |
| 03:30.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | and debian needs 24 at least.. |
| 03:30.54 | simonrvn | floppy boot works fine if the floppy images are functional... |
| 03:31.08 | GreaseMonkey | GhostlyDeath_: upgrade the RAM |
| 03:31.14 | dalias | yeah |
| 03:31.16 | Kevin` | debian can run in 16mb ram I think |
| 03:31.18 | GreaseMonkey | actually |
| 03:31.19 | Kevin` | dunno about the installer |
| 03:31.24 | dalias | floppy boot works if you have about 10 floppies available |
| 03:31.29 | GreaseMonkey | i think it could support a swap partition |
| 03:31.30 | wols | Kevin`: but not do much/anything useful |
| 03:31.30 | purplepenguins | I find it weird that the first linux I used is still around |
| 03:31.34 | dalias | or.. |
| 03:31.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | GreaseMonkey: can't |
| 03:31.37 | Kevin` | floppy install of debian needs 4 floppies I think |
| 03:31.41 | dalias | you can keep overwriting the same floppy :) |
| 03:31.42 | purplepenguins | or was, until etch replaced sarge for stable |
| 03:31.43 | Kevin` | I did it a while back |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | dalias: no dude, you just need about 3 floppies, then you pull down from the internets |
| 03:31.46 | dalias | every time you need to switch |
| 03:31.52 | Azar | how much mb holds a floppy? 1.4? |
| 03:31.53 | Kevin` | and I overwrote the same floppy too lol |
| 03:31.57 | Kevin` | 1.44 |
| 03:32.03 | peterS | Azar: 1440 kB, which is about 1.4 megabytes |
| 03:32.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | It doesn't support the drives before SATA |
| 03:32.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | oh yeah |
| 03:32.17 | Azar | sooo 4x1.44 gives you a superminimal Debian install? |
| 03:32.18 | dalias | i.e. 2880 512-byte sectors |
| 03:32.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | ATA drives don't work on it |
| 03:32.26 | Gnea | omfg.... http://tinyurl.com/3y22zz |
| 03:32.27 | GhostlyDeath_ | The HDD it came with head crashed |
| 03:32.27 | GreaseMonkey | using swap, theoretically it'd be slow as shit, but there you go |
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| 03:32.32 | Kevin` | Azar no it gives you enough for a netinstall of debian |
| 03:32.33 | Gnea | now that's insane. |
| 03:32.45 | diskus | GhostlyDeath_: I would throw away that computer and not stress myself :P |
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| 03:32.47 | Gnea | but cool, nonetheless |
| 03:32.59 | dalias | btw |
| 03:33.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'll get the model |
| 03:33.06 | GreaseMonkey | well, if you have a head-crashed HDD, then you'll probably *have* to use a unix as Windows can't take head-crash |
| 03:33.08 | Azar | Kevin`: wow |
| 03:33.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | but my basement is flooded |
| 03:33.12 | wols | Gnea: insane yes but cool |
| 03:33.16 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'll see if I can get anything |
| 03:33.17 | dalias | has anyone else noticed that bterm is slow as hell during install? |
| 03:33.17 | GhostlyDeath_ | brb |
| 03:33.20 | peterS | hmmm, maybe I should upgrade my 486 to etch. it has 8 MB of RAM, I think it was last upgraded sometime between potato and woody. |
| 03:33.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | ah nvm |
| 03:33.37 | wols | peterS: the kernel alone will take all 8MB :) |
| 03:33.41 | Supaplex | my cell phone has more ram peterS :) |
| 03:33.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | wols: swap |
| 03:33.51 | Kevin` | Azar if you do it yourself using a custom made image, it's very possible to install or run linux from one floppy |
| 03:33.55 | peterS | wols: surprisingly, in the potato days, I could run emacs on it no problem. I mean yeah it was slow but it was usable. |
| 03:33.56 | Azar | peterS: I still have one of those... in the basement |
| 03:33.57 | purplepenguins | that's old there peterS |
| 03:34.08 | dalias | stock 2.6 linux will not run on 8 meg systems |
| 03:34.09 | Azar | Kevin`: heheee |
| 03:34.16 | dalias | you have to patch it to debloat the vm and stuff |
| 03:34.18 | purplepenguins | I have my old 386 somewhere |
| 03:34.22 | Gnea | the only 486 i have left is an old laptop |
| 03:34.29 | GhostlyDeath_ | dalias: at least the hardware would be supported as it being 10+ years old |
| 03:34.30 | wols | peterS: my 486 here can take 2.6 without a problem. but it has 64MB RAM |
| 03:34.38 | Kevin` | 2.6 will work on 8mb. I think I had it working mostly on 4mb |
| 03:34.45 | peterS | Supaplex: you really think vim is going to be less of a memory hog, then? |
| 03:34.50 | peterS | Supaplex: besides, that's the wrong syntax for alis |
| 03:34.51 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, more like 15+... |
| 03:34.54 | Supaplex | not really =) |
| 03:34.58 | dalias | my system is ~10 years old |
| 03:35.08 | dalias | k6-3/500 |
| 03:35.11 | Supaplex | ture. but I've been awak for like 2min right now. :P |
| 03:35.17 | purplepenguins | got my current computer (P4 3.0GHz), my previous oldest comp (Celeron 1.8GHz), and this pentium pro server |
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| 03:35.25 | GreaseMonkey | don't you hate it when people have more RAM than you have HDD space? |
| 03:35.31 | dalias | greasemonkey, lol |
| 03:35.33 | purplepenguins | the former runs gentoo, and the latter two run debian |
| 03:35.43 | Kevin` | can anyone tell me what year were made a toshiba tecra 730xcdt? what i'm using now |
| 03:35.51 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: it's true, my current machine has more RAM than the hard disk space on my 486 |
| 03:35.52 | Gnea | dude, i ran shitty-slow systems for years... gotta move on lol |
| 03:35.53 | dalias | my dev/user/server system runs homebrew |
| 03:35.57 | GreaseMonkey | dalias: ooh nice, a K6 ;D |
| 03:35.59 | dalias | my tiny laptop runs debian |
| 03:36.08 | Kevin` | my pda runs debian etch :) |
| 03:36.08 | GreaseMonkey | 2-cycle LOOP instructions instead of 18-cycle :D |
| 03:36.14 | Gnea | EM64T |
| 03:36.15 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: the K6-3 was even better than the K6, it supported 3DNow! instructions |
| 03:36.16 | Kevin` | and it's better then this computer lol |
| 03:36.21 | Supaplex | GreaseMonkey: I'm impressed if they have over 1TB of ram. yeah. :P |
| 03:36.25 | dalias | k6-2 also has 3dnow |
| 03:36.30 | dalias | k6-3 has 3dnowex |
| 03:36.31 | GreaseMonkey | this PC runs a debian variant: knoppix |
| 03:36.40 | peterS | right, but the original K6 does not |
| 03:36.51 | dalias | the original k6 was very different and rather crappy :) |
| 03:37.08 | purplepenguins | what is K6, is that the original athlon |
| 03:37.21 | Gnea | still, it was fun trying to play quake on a 486 dx/4 120 with 32megs of ram ;) |
| 03:37.21 | Gnea | and AMD 486 at that |
| 03:37.22 | purplepenguins | or is it older |
| 03:37.27 | diskus | older |
| 03:37.30 | Supaplex | any know how to install grub to an external usb hdd that'll be /dev/hda when I move it? |
| 03:37.33 | GreaseMonkey | apparently it was "crap" cos Windows couldn't cope with it being so fast for its cycle speed |
| 03:37.43 | Gnea | purplepenguins: the k6 was the predecessor to the athlon |
| 03:37.57 | peterS | purplepenguins: no, that's before the athlon. the athlon is K7 |
| 03:37.59 | purplepenguins | I have never actually owned an AMD system |
| 03:38.02 | Kevin` | Supaplex use the cli grub command with the device-map option |
| 03:38.13 | GreaseMonkey | Supaplex: one word: "symlink" |
| 03:38.19 | dalias | gnea, quake on 486 would be fast if carmack's code didn't suck |
| 03:38.21 | purplepenguins | though most of my builds for friends were |
| 03:38.22 | diskus | last intel I had was Pentium 2 120MHz :P |
| 03:38.23 | Kevin` | --device-map=filename |
| 03:38.27 | Kevin` | man grub for details |
| 03:38.34 | dalias | his idea to use the fpu in the inner blitter loops was dumb |
| 03:38.38 | Gnea | dalias: i never got a chance to try the ascii version on there ;) |
| 03:38.44 | peterS | diskus: dude, did they even make pentium2 intended for that speed? I thought P2 started around 200 MHz |
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| 03:38.56 | diskus | damn it was pentium1 :P |
| 03:38.58 | pmv | Supaplex: ext usb usually gets mapped as a scsi disk |
| 03:38.59 | purplepenguins | last build was for my roommate, x2 4000+ with 7900GTX, it was pretty sexy |
| 03:39.00 | Hiryu | p2 started at 233 |
| 03:39.04 | GreaseMonkey | P3 started at 450MHz |
| 03:39.10 | GreaseMonkey | i think |
| 03:39.17 | Growly|Work | anyone know how to get around "Internal error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs"? I'm trying to install smbclient through apt-get, no luck. Using testing release, tried both testing and stable packages. |
| 03:39.20 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: soundsa about right |
| 03:39.24 | Azar | hmm if I remember well it is a amd 486 dx2 33mhz with 8mb memory.... man, my first "modern" PC |
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| 03:39.32 | Gnea | heh, last weird al yankovic concert i went to featured "it's all about the pentiums!" |
| 03:39.36 | GreaseMonkey | P4 i think started at 1.1GHz - i have a 1.0GHz P3 |
| 03:39.43 | purplepenguins | my second computer was a P-III based celeron |
| 03:39.46 | Supaplex | pmv: right, but it won't be external after I disconnect it and throw it in the laptop it belongs in. (laptop has no other boot method - period) |
| 03:39.54 | purplepenguins | ran at like 800 MHz or something |
| 03:39.59 | Kevin` | my first computer was a commodore 64 |
| 03:40.06 | pmv | ah, I see |
| 03:40.17 | diskus | mine was nintendo 8-bit :P |
| 03:40.19 | purplepenguins | I've only owned 4 computer in my life |
| 03:40.25 | Azar | Kevin`: bah... I had atari, commodore and burned them both... I was just a toddler |
| 03:40.33 | purplepenguins | a 386, two celerons and a pentium 4 |
| 03:40.34 | Kevin` | burned? O_o |
| 03:40.34 | pmv | Supaplex: straightforward then. man grub-install |
| 03:40.34 | GreaseMonkey | i've personally owned 3including this one |
| 03:40.47 | Azar | Kevin`: the power converter.. |
| 03:41.29 | Azar | Gnea: all my PCs were amd... never liked Pentium |
| 03:41.42 | ShiFTKey | Hey, im having an issue with a debian + nvidia binary driver install |
| 03:41.45 | ShiFTKey | can anyone help me? |
| 03:41.51 | purplepenguins | i hope to get a laptop eventually |
| 03:42.05 | Azar | ShiFTKey: ofcourse you have: why don't you use the Debian's nvidia driver? |
| 03:42.06 | pmv | purplepenguins: where you located? |
| 03:42.10 | Kevin` | purplepenguins check at schools, they sometimes have old crap |
| 03:42.28 | Kevin` | purplepenguins I got this one at a rummage-sale type event for $5 |
| 03:42.30 | ShiFTKey | Azar: I want to play Open Arena |
| 03:42.32 | purplepenguins | the USA, Ohio specifically |
| 03:42.33 | ShiFTKey | :) |
| 03:42.35 | pmv | laptops in the us are so frickin cheap now, if you don't mind the 2-3 gen ones |
| 03:42.59 | Azar | ShiFTKey: you can use 3D with nvidia driver |
| 03:43.05 | Gnea | my first computer (something with a keyboard on it) was a TI994/A but the first pc was an old IBM/Xerox sort of hybrid... it was basically a huge box-like briefcase that had a keyboard built into it that flipped out and had the screen in it too |
| 03:43.07 | purplepenguins | I am specifically looking for a fairly modern laptop, but not brand-new |
| 03:43.11 | purplepenguins | and it has to be a thinkpad |
| 03:43.18 | ShiFTKey | Azar: With the open source driver? |
| 03:43.31 | ShiFTKey | Azar: Open Aren requires opengl |
| 03:43.31 | pmv | I got this 15" wxga, 1.5 ghz amd acer notebook for like 500usd |
| 03:43.32 | Azar | !nvidia-installer |
| 03:43.32 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is probably a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia one-liner> instead |
| 03:43.43 | Kevin` | gnea what sort of processor? (linuxable?) |
| 03:43.51 | purplepenguins | looking at t23, t30 or comparable performancewise |
| 03:43.58 | pmv | purplepenguins: the old ibm ones, or the new lenovos? |
| 03:44.03 | pmv | thinkpads are rather pricey |
| 03:44.10 | purplepenguins | depending on the price |
| 03:44.11 | diskus | purplepenguins: why thinkpad? |
| 03:44.18 | Azar | ShiFTKey: clean the garbage you installed for nvidia, and give it a try with "nvidia one-liner from dpkg: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:44.19 | purplepenguins | the trackpoint |
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| 03:44.24 | ShiFTKey | Azar: no, I have it installed already, im just encountering a wierd bug |
| 03:44.25 | purplepenguins | I can't use touchpads |
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| 03:44.32 | purplepenguins | I NEED the TrackPoint |
| 03:44.38 | Kevin` | IMO get used to touchpads. they work. |
| 03:44.40 | Kevin` | a lot better |
| 03:44.47 | pmv | the new lenovo thinkpads are much pricier than say the old good-condition ibms |
| 03:44.53 | pmv | don't blame you though.. thinkpad r0xx |
| 03:44.56 | purplepenguins | and I don't like the trackpoint-likes on other brands like Dell |
| 03:44.58 | ramond | what could give rise to "GRUB hard disk error" during boot? |
| 03:45.00 | ramond | root (hd1,0) |
| 03:45.01 | ramond | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 03:45.03 | ramond | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:45.04 | purplepenguins | also, I trust IBM more |
| 03:45.04 | ramond | savedefault |
| 03:45.05 | litage | does it matter if i have klaptopdaemon and powersaved running at the same time? |
| 03:45.16 | diskus | purplepenguins: well you're right there, I'm sick of my touchpad on laptop |
| 03:45.19 | haxality | does anyone know the non-us.debian.org GPG key? |
| 03:45.23 | pmv | ramond: drop to a shell, do those step-by-step |
| 03:45.28 | pmv | ramond: that'd give you some clue |
| 03:45.41 | ShiFTKey | Azar: im confused |
| 03:45.55 | Gnea | Kevin`: fuuuuck i don't even remember... it was either a 286 or an 8086 |
| 03:45.57 | ShiFTKey | Azar: can I just tell you my bug and maybe you can help me out? |
| 03:46.08 | purplepenguins | I might just save up for a new Lenovo one to replace my desktop |
| 03:46.08 | Azar | ShiFTKey: I cannot help you with the nvidia installer from the source. I only know about Debian's nvidia driver |
| 03:46.19 | ShiFTKey | bah |
| 03:46.22 | purplepenguins | which is already getting obsoleted a bit |
| 03:46.27 | Azar | ShiFTKey: nobody here fixores nvidia's drivers |
| 03:46.28 | haxality | purplepenguins: the trackpoint-ish thing on my toshiba is pretty sweet. good enough to set my whole touchpad as a scroll pad :p |
| 03:46.42 | ShiFTKey | Azar: but maybe its not an nvidia bug |
| 03:46.45 | ramond | pmv: cannot boot up, how to "drop to a shell"? |
| 03:46.50 | Gnea | okay, found it: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=446 |
| 03:46.53 | Azar | ShiFTKey: no, is garbage |
| 03:46.54 | pmv | ramond: grub shell |
| 03:46.55 | ShiFTKey | Azar: Can I Pm you and explain whats going on |
| 03:46.58 | ShiFTKey | ? |
| 03:47.03 | pmv | ramond: do you get to the grub menu? |
| 03:47.12 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: just tell the bug to the channel |
| 03:47.16 | ShiFTKey | alright |
| 03:47.17 | Azar | ShiFTKey: ok, but you lose precious opinion from others.. |
| 03:47.17 | Gnea | !ask |
| 03:47.17 | ramond | pmv: yes, menu.lst. |
| 03:47.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:47.28 | pmv | ramond: hit c for shell I think |
| 03:47.30 | Azar | Gnea is more expert than I am |
| 03:47.32 | pmv | the instructions are there |
| 03:47.48 | ramond | pmv: hit 'c' during the boot? |
| 03:47.52 | Gnea | Azar: this thing was a TANK hehe |
| 03:47.58 | pmv | ramond: when you get to the grub menu |
| 03:48.00 | ShiFTKey | After I finish installing the NVIDIA Binary Driver, I startx and everything works fine, however, if I reboot, I can no longer start x. I have to reinstall the Nvidia driver for it to work |
| 03:48.12 | ramond | pmv: never reaches that state. |
| 03:48.12 | Gnea | Azar: oh yeah, and i was wrong - it was an 8088 |
| 03:48.24 | purplepenguins | an 8088 based laptop? |
| 03:48.28 | Gnea | running a whopping 4.77 mhz |
| 03:48.30 | Gnea | purplepenguins: yes. |
| 03:48.33 | purplepenguins | wow |
| 03:48.36 | Azar | Gnea YES!!! 8088 |
| 03:48.40 | pmv | ramond: ah. then it's not in your menu.lst. probably grub isn't correctly installed in the mbr |
| 03:48.49 | Gnea | purplepenguins: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=446 |
| 03:48.50 | pmv | what's the error again? |
| 03:48.54 | purplepenguins | I knew someone with a 386 laptop, that thing was ugly as all hell, and sucked ass |
| 03:48.59 | pmv | Gnea: holy crap |
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| 03:49.10 | Azar | ShiFTKey: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I know |
| 03:49.16 | pmv | Gnea: is it one of those boxes with like 2 inches of border around the lcd? :-p |
| 03:49.19 | ramond | pmw: "GRUB hard disk error" |
| 03:49.19 | Kevin` | I have some 286 or 386 laptops around here |
| 03:49.20 | ramond | root (hd1,0) |
| 03:49.22 | ramond | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 03:49.23 | ramond | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:49.25 | ramond | savedefa |
| 03:49.28 | ShiFTKey | Azar: please tell me! |
| 03:49.39 | Gnea | pmv: lol look for yourself |
| 03:49.50 | ramond | pmv: never reaches that state. |
| 03:49.50 | pmv | ramond: er.. you say it never gets to the menu? |
| 03:50.00 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: how did you instlal the nvidia driver? |
| 03:50.01 | ramond | pmv: never. |
| 03:50.07 | Vasistha | when I was growing up, Dad used to have this "compact" computer -- about the size of a modern large tower, but it had a foldout keyboard and a 7" (?) monochrome orange crt |
| 03:50.10 | Azar | ShiFTKey: as I recall from the loong past past... when you compile the nvidia driver there is one big condition: the gcc version must be the very very same as the one which you compiled the kernel |
| 03:50.13 | pmv | ramond: then check that grub was installed correctly then. |
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| 03:50.24 | Azar | Gnea, am I right? |
| 03:50.32 | ramond | pmv: how to tell if grub is installed correctly? |
| 03:50.32 | Gnea | Vasistha: heh that's basically what this was |
| 03:50.33 | pmv | although that error suggests your 'root' command parameters are wrong |
| 03:50.38 | ShiFTKey | I followed the instructions on this website http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
| 03:50.41 | pmv | ramond: do grub-install again |
| 03:50.44 | Gnea | Vasistha: and my father was the one who brought it home too ;) |
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| 03:50.56 | Vasistha | GneaI think that's actually how compaq made its name |
| 03:50.57 | pmv | Gnea: omg |
| 03:50.58 | Azar | ShiFTKey: and it does not tell you exactly what I told you? |
| 03:50.59 | pmv | :-)) |
| 03:50.59 | ramond | pmv: k, thks. |
| 03:51.02 | simonrvn | Azar: that's pretty typical for kernels, period, esp. with versioned symbols enabled |
| 03:51.10 | Gnea | pmv: what? |
| 03:51.15 | ShiFTKey | no? |
| 03:51.26 | pmv | that's just brilliant lol |
| 03:51.32 | simonrvn | yes? |
| 03:51.35 | Gnea | oh heh |
| 03:51.37 | simonrvn | where? |
| 03:51.40 | ShiFTKey | but why would it work the first time, then fail on next reboot |
| 03:51.52 | ShiFTKey | it doesn't make any sense |
| 03:51.56 | purplepenguins | wow, lead-acid batteries |
| 03:52.01 | Azar | simonrvn: I do not recall exactly but I remember I got hiccups with the nvidia binary giving me that error: the gcc version is not the same one that you have compiled the kernel with... _something_ of this nature |
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| 03:52.22 | pmv | forgive me, I seem to be to young to understand this: |
| 03:52.23 | pmv | It offered 7 extension slots, 5 being free (4 shorts and only 1 long). |
| 03:52.27 | simonrvn | yes, it'll show in dmesg, same as other 3rd party modules |
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| 03:52.31 | pmv | 4 short and 1 long? |
| 03:52.33 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: okay, whoever wrote that article needs to be shot. |
| 03:52.40 | pmv | I assume these aren't pci .. |
| 03:52.40 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:52.40 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 03:52.41 | ShiFTKey | seriously? |
| 03:52.46 | pmv | isa? |
| 03:52.48 | Azar | ShiFTKey: in any case: the nvidia binary you installed, compiled, will not last: it will die because it does not work well with Debian |
| 03:52.57 | ShiFTKey | ic |
| 03:53.02 | ShiFTKey | so how can I make it work well |
| 03:53.02 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: go ahead and remove the drive you installed and follow the one-liner instructions that dpkg just put on the channel |
| 03:53.10 | Kevin` | pmv they are probably using improper terms |
| 03:53.12 | Gnea | i just told you |
| 03:53.16 | ShiFTKey | i have no idea what the one-liner is |
| 03:53.17 | Azar | ShiFTKey: remove it and follow the one-liner |
| 03:53.20 | ShiFTKey | im kinda a noob |
| 03:53.25 | Azar | :) |
| 03:53.32 | pmv | ShiFTKey: it's right up there |
| 03:53.33 | Azar | look at dpkg up ^^^^^ |
| 03:53.38 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: the one-liner is the thing that dpkg said after Gnea said !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:53.40 | Kevin` | could in theory be 8bit/16bit isa. the new pci-type slots have different lengths too |
| 03:53.42 | ShiFTKey | so do i copy and paste all that |
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| 03:54.03 | pmv | haha |
| 03:54.03 | Azar | ShiFTKey: at command line you have to write all that line (one liner) exactly as is, with spaces, commas, etc |
| 03:54.11 | Gnea | !tell ShiFTKey about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:54.33 | pmv | I thought maybe at one point "short" and "long" slots were actual technical terms |
| 03:54.34 | Azar | ShiFTKey: starting with "apt-get install and ending with xserver-xorg |
| 03:54.38 | Kevin` | don't copy and paste the commends :) |
| 03:54.43 | Kevin` | comments |
| 03:54.44 | Kevin` | * |
| 03:54.48 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: i just had dpkg pm the instructions to you. basically it's a very straight-forward and condensed method of making it work :) |
| 03:54.55 | ShiFTKey | ok |
| 03:54.57 | ShiFTKey | ill give it a shot |
| 03:55.00 | ShiFTKey | thanks guys |
| 03:55.19 | Gnea | good luck |
| 03:55.56 | Azar | well, some people want to be sure how it works.. |
| 03:57.13 | ShiFTKey | didnt work |
| 03:57.29 | Gnea | could you elaborate? |
| 03:57.32 | ShiFTKey | couldnt find nvidia-kernel-2.6 |
| 03:58.11 | ShiFTKey | and i supposed to replace the uname with my kernel version |
| 03:58.26 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:58.32 | pmv | :-) |
| 03:58.34 | Gnea | well that command actually is supposed to fill it in for you based upon what you're actually running |
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| 03:59.09 | ShiFTKey | well |
| 03:59.21 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: what is the result of uname -r? |
| 03:59.25 | pmv | ShiFTKey: show what uname -r |
| 03:59.29 | pmv | *beaten* |
| 03:59.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:59.39 | ShiFTKey | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:59.52 | Azar | ShiFTKey: are you using Etch? |
| 03:59.55 | ShiFTKey | yes |
| 04:00.06 | Gnea | okay, now: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-2.6 |
| 04:00.09 | Azar | ShiFTKey: forget about "kernel" Etch uses "linux" |
| 04:00.28 | Azar | is that right, Gnea? |
| 04:00.30 | pmv | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 is right there.. |
| 04:00.30 | Gnea | Azar: they switched it? |
| 04:00.38 | Gnea | no... |
| 04:00.44 | Gnea | you're thinking linux-kernel |
| 04:00.47 | ShiFTKey | cant i just do this all with synaptic? |
| 04:00.55 | Azar | oh ok, kernel-image ... linux-image |
| 04:01.00 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: i suppose so |
| 04:01.06 | Gnea | Azar: exactly :) |
| 04:01.10 | ShiFTKey | ok, ill modify my xorg to use the open source nvidia driver |
| 04:01.11 | pmv | ShiFTKey: there you go :-) |
| 04:01.13 | ShiFTKey | or vesa |
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| 04:01.35 | Gnea | fuck... i'm on the verge of hooking this amd64 system back up |
| 04:01.41 | ShiFTKey | ok im back on my desktop |
| 04:01.48 | ShiFTKey | running as root |
| 04:01.56 | Azar | ewwww, not good |
| 04:02.04 | Azar | root should never run X |
| 04:02.08 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:02.09 | ShiFTKey | well im to lazy to type in passwords for now |
| 04:02.12 | Vasistha | hehehe |
| 04:02.15 | ShiFTKey | i just want to get this fixed |
| 04:02.21 | Gnea | word |
| 04:02.31 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: see if gdm will work |
| 04:02.32 | Azar | ShiFTKey: thanks for the honesty now someone please do a root canal on ShiFTKey |
| 04:02.32 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: there's a wonderful compromise for that -- just run a konsole as root, within your user's X session |
| 04:02.46 | ShiFTKey | yes |
| 04:02.56 | ShiFTKey | but i still ahve to type in a password |
| 04:03.04 | ShiFTKey | then i need to type "synaptic" |
| 04:03.06 | pmv | sudo not good enough for you? |
| 04:03.13 | Gnea | ShiFTKey: with gdm, there's a way to bypass the password for a user |
| 04:03.15 | pmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.17 | Azar | ShiFTKey: sit on your user account and "su" or "sudo" from there to root |
| 04:03.20 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: yeah. once. at the beginning of the session, you type root's password, once. Then, you never need to type it again. It's really not that bad. |
| 04:03.33 | ShiFTKey | ok ok |
| 04:03.38 | ShiFTKey | i promise i wont do it again |
| 04:03.47 | Vasistha | good! :D |
| 04:03.50 | ShiFTKey | its like i just peed on the pope or something |
| 04:03.54 | Vasistha | we like it when people don't do stupid things ;-) |
| 04:04.02 | Azar | I thought by default Etch will not access X |
| 04:04.09 | Azar | err root |
| 04:04.17 | ShiFTKey | i dont have gdm running ;) |
| 04:04.30 | Gnea | exit X, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 04:04.32 | Azar | ShiFTKey: I don't have any gdm, and still startx is blocked |
| 04:04.45 | ShiFTKey | well it works for me |
| 04:04.52 | ShiFTKey | anyway |
| 04:05.00 | Azar | nothing to pride about man |
| 04:05.06 | ShiFTKey | on the repositories, i only see a 8776-4 nvidia driver |
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| 04:05.46 | ShiFTKey | i want a 9xxx driver |
| 04:05.49 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: do you have non-free in your sources.list ? |
| 04:05.55 | ShiFTKey | i think so |
| 04:05.56 | ShiFTKey | let me check |
| 04:05.58 | Azar | I want a limo with a driver included |
| 04:06.03 | purplepenguins | lol |
| 04:06.15 | ShiFTKey | main contrib non-free? |
| 04:06.17 | ShiFTKey | haev it |
| 04:06.19 | ShiFTKey | have it |
| 04:06.27 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: have you done apt-get update ? |
| 04:06.33 | purplepenguins | my limo's driver is closed source though |
| 04:06.40 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: I think it's possible to do update with synaptic |
| 04:06.47 | ShiFTKey | hitting the "reload" button in synaptic do the same thing? |
| 04:06.52 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: I think so, yeah |
| 04:07.03 | Azar | purplepenguins: that would be the only time I'd hop over open source and ok the closed source. |
| 04:07.13 | ShiFTKey | well then yes |
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| 04:07.49 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: well, this is what should be available for a package name search for nvidia, if your sources.list is indeed set up properly and you have indeed updated: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 04:08.40 | purplepenguins | I started having some hardware problems caused by the driver crashing |
| 04:08.41 | ShiFTKey | hold on im having some networking issues |
| 04:08.46 | ShiFTKey | let me fix it |
| 04:08.51 | purplepenguins | so I'm looking for a new driver |
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| 04:10.40 | lkthomas | hey guys, how could I mask some package that I don't want apt-get to upgrade or touch it ? |
| 04:10.41 | Vasistha | lkthomas: pinning |
| 04:10.41 | lkthomas | Vasistha, how |
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| 04:10.41 | Vasistha | lkthomas: not sure -- google for apt pinning. You have to edit some file in /etc/apt/ and pin the package |
| 04:11.37 | \amethyst | lkthomas: aptitude hold package |
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| 04:11.43 | \amethyst | lkthomas: not the same as pinning |
| 04:11.46 | ShiFTKey | ok, networking fixed |
| 04:11.53 | Supaplex | !hold |
| 04:11.54 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 04:12.07 | wols | purplepenguins: do you have a limo for that driver? |
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| 04:12.44 | ShiFTKey | I dont see that nvidia experimental driver |
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| 04:13.45 | lkthomas | \amethyst, doesn't work with that command you given |
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| 04:16.43 | ShiFTKey | sooo |
| 04:16.52 | ShiFTKey | why am i not getting that experimental kernel |
| 04:17.29 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: did you /msg dpkg nvidia_experimental |
| 04:18.29 | ShiFTKey | ill do that now |
| 04:18.55 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: when dpkg mentions something <in brackets> that means that the <bracketed> thing is a <factoid> and you can ask him about it |
| 04:19.30 | wols | Vasistha: brackets? |
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| 04:20.00 | Vasistha | wols: well, what I lost in accurate wording, I made up for by example ;-) |
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| 04:22.08 | lkthomas | haha |
| 04:22.13 | lkthomas | I am scare to upgrade debian now |
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| 04:22.37 | lontra | lkthomas: sarge -> etch? |
| 04:22.43 | lkthomas | yes |
| 04:22.54 | Vasistha | wols: actually, in quantum mechanics, we do refer to them as <bra|ket>s |
| 04:23.13 | \amethyst | Vasistha: my computer is named dirac :) |
| 04:23.20 | lontra | > greater than < less than |
| 04:23.52 | \amethyst | Tha'ts U+003C LESS-THAN SIGN thank you very much :) |
| 04:23.58 | Vasistha | that's so cumbersome, though ... I sometimes say angular brackets, as opposed to square brackets or curly brackets (or braces) |
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| 04:24.02 | lkthomas | lontra, don't you scare to upgrade ? |
| 04:24.04 | Vasistha | damn, I was a little late with that |
| 04:24.11 | bl0w | will debian4 r0 recognize my scsi harddrive on installation ? |
| 04:24.40 | lontra | lkthomas: i am running debian testing with sid and experimental sources ... so i'm not scared to upgrade :D ... if you upgrade just take your time and read everything and use aptitude |
| 04:24.50 | \amethyst | Vasistha: "angle brackets" is the term I usually hear, though technically those have different codepoints |
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| 04:25.04 | lkthomas | lontra, well, here is on production env, so not sure if I need to upgrad them ? |
| 04:25.24 | dalias | i think you mean ⟨ and ⟩ |
| 04:25.27 | \amethyst | 〈〉 |
| 04:25.29 | lontra | lkthomas: hmm...well i'm afraid i'm going to defer my advice |
| 04:25.35 | lontra | to someone |
| 04:25.40 | \amethyst | oh, those too |
| 04:25.49 | lkthomas | heh |
| 04:26.00 | lontra | lkthomas: i might be scared too :D |
| 04:26.09 | ShiFTKey-Linux | Debian-Desktop:/home/victor# apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:26.10 | ShiFTKey-Linux | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:26.10 | ShiFTKey-Linux | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 04:26.10 | ShiFTKey-Linux | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-686 |
| 04:26.10 | *** kick/#debian [ShiFTKey-Linux!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 04:26.11 | Vasistha | lkthomas: if it's a production server, it's not totally unreasonable to keep it on oldstable for a little while; there should be security upgrades for sarge for a year, and who knows, a few kinks might be worked out of the installer for etch r1 |
| 04:26.26 | ShiFTKey | whoops |
| 04:26.31 | ShiFTKey | sorry |
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| 04:26.56 | lontra | ShiFTKey-Linux: don't flood you crazy canadian :p |
| 04:27.01 | lkthomas | Vasistha, hmm |
| 04:27.07 | ShiFTKey | how did you know I was canadian? |
| 04:27.10 | ShiFTKey | :o |
| 04:27.20 | lontra | cable.rogers.com |
| 04:27.29 | lontra | ShiFTKey: i just moved from edmonton :D |
| 04:27.39 | ShiFTKey-Linux | nice |
| 04:27.40 | ShiFTKey-Linux | :) |
| 04:27.57 | ShiFTKey-Linux | I just want my damn nvidia driver to work |
| 04:27.58 | ShiFTKey-Linux | :( |
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| 04:28.15 | thd | If I am not mistaken, prior to my most recent etch update I could open gzipped HTML and text files from within Firefox. I find that is not enabled in Iceweasel. What provided that functionality in Firefox and how can I enable it in Iceweasel? This was especially useful for looking at gzipped documentation in a web browser. |
| 04:28.30 | ShiFTKey-Linux | damn you nvidia GPL THE DAMN SOURCECODE |
| 04:28.48 | lontra | ShiFTKey-Linux: i see lots of nvidia kernels |
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| 04:28.55 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: have you yet managed to install nvidia-kernel-2.6-whatever? |
| 04:29.00 | ShiFTKey-Linux | but there using an old driver |
| 04:29.13 | lontra | all of them are? |
| 04:29.26 | ShiFTKey-Linux | I want the 9xxx series driver |
| 04:29.29 | lontra | nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 <- this is old? |
| 04:29.29 | ShiFTKey-Linux | not 8xxx |
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| 04:30.07 | lontra | i know nothing about nvidia |
| 04:30.09 | ShiFTKey-Linux | look at the version |
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| 04:30.18 | lontra | ShiFTKey-Linux: have you tried googling for it? |
| 04:30.21 | ShiFTKey-Linux | 1.0.8776+6 |
| 04:30.22 | cartesian1984 | Should aliasing rm to wipe or shred be okay? |
| 04:30.27 | ShiFTKey-Linux | yes |
| 04:30.29 | ShiFTKey-Linux | i have googled |
| 04:30.35 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: well, did you read the howto from dpkg's factoid on nvidia_experimental ? |
| 04:30.36 | ShiFTKey-Linux | and i got this page |
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| 04:30.45 | ShiFTKey | http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
| 04:30.46 | krazykit | cartesian1984, only if wipe or shred work EXACTLY the same as rm |
| 04:30.51 | ShiFTKey-Linux | yes |
| 04:30.54 | dalias | ⟨a|b⟩ yay looks nice |
| 04:30.56 | ShiFTKey-Linux | the command line didnt work |
| 04:31.01 | krazykit | cartesian1984, that is, if they're meant to be drop-in replacements. |
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| 04:31.36 | ShiFTKey-Linux | is there a reason nvidia doesn't gpl their drivers? |
| 04:31.42 | ShiFTKey-Linux | like seriously |
| 04:31.43 | cartesian1984 | krazykit: in terms of arguments and such, they don't appear to be :( - aliasing it would affect scripts too? |
| 04:31.44 | lontra | is there a way to temporarily stop spamassassin? kill it only makes it angry |
| 04:31.53 | zu22 | i want to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel (running 2.4.27 on Debian testing), do i just need to get linux-source-2.6.18 (has kernel + debian patches) and compile it traditional way or do i also need the headers package: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 04:32.10 | krazykit | cartesian1984, i'm not sure. i've not aliased for awhile... but i'd do some checking before i went ahead with that. |
| 04:32.17 | krazykit | ShiFTKey-Linux, yes. |
| 04:32.20 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: did you follow the instructions at http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental ? |
| 04:32.23 | cartesian1984 | ShiFTKey-Linux: from what I'm told, they don't think anyone could improve their drivers. Also they don't want details exposed about their hardware, which well commented source would. |
| 04:32.27 | cafuego | ShiFTKey-Linux: corporate secrets, patents, bastards, embarrassed for the quality of code? |
| 04:32.27 | lontra | ShiFTKey-Linux: they are proprietary pricks? |
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| 04:32.41 | krazykit | ShiFTKey-Linux, they might be using liscensed software that isn't GPL'd, among other bits. |
| 04:32.53 | zu22 | also wondering if i should make a kernel package and 'dpkg -i' it or just do traditional kernel build and install, never used kpkg before |
| 04:32.54 | ShiFTKey-Linux | sigh |
| 04:32.55 | lontra | embarrassed for the quality of code <-- i like that one |
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| 04:33.05 | InnerFIRE | anyone use Democracy player |
| 04:33.06 | cafuego | ShiFTKey-Linux: It's quite possible they are violating other peeple's patents and open-soucing it would expose them. |
| 04:33.07 | InnerFIRE | ? |
| 04:33.12 | krazykit | though nvidia's drivers are a damn sight better than ati's |
| 04:33.12 | ShiFTKey-Linux | i thought nvidia was in the hardware buisness... wouldnt it be better for their hardware to just work? |
| 04:33.17 | lontra | zu22: use kpkg it's easier and the debian way |
| 04:33.18 | krazykit | !anyone use democracy player |
| 04:33.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses democracy player, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:33.20 | dalias | yay my new ligatures work |
| 04:33.32 | cafuego | krazykit: Yes, even being stabbed in the eye wiith a fork is better than ATIs code ;-) |
| 04:33.35 | zu22 | krazykit: ok an do i need the kernel headers package besides the kernel source package? |
| 04:33.38 | Vasistha | cartesian1984: aliasing only affects commands that are issued at the beginning of the line. For an example, alias ls='ls -l'; echo "/home" | xargs ls |
| 04:33.41 | dalias | -> is now a ligature where the - extends into the space between the > |
| 04:33.58 | pmv | other possibilities include, trying to hide illegal use of gpl'd code |
| 04:34.01 | krazykit | zu22, slip of the finger? |
| 04:35.09 | zu22 | krazykit: heh |
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| 04:35.10 | krazykit | cafuego, well, i dunno about that. maybe getting stabbed in the arm. |
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| 04:35.10 | Vasistha | cartesian1984: or, more technically, aliasing is only done when *bash* issues a command, as opposed to something else, like xargs -- xargs won't use the alias. |
| 04:35.10 | dalias | all the 3d gfx companies do the following: |
| 04:35.11 | ShiFTKey-Linux | i thought nvidia was in the hardware buisness... wouldnt it be better for their hardware to just work? |
| 04:35.11 | dalias | - infringe each other's patents |
| 04:35.11 | ShiFTKey-Linux | that command line doesnt work |
| 04:35.11 | dalias | - steal gpl code |
| 04:35.12 | dalias | - lie about the capabilities of their hardware by emulating stuff in software |
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| 04:35.12 | dalias | releasing the source would reveal all 3 of these |
| 04:35.12 | krazykit | ShiFTKey-Linux, it does Just Work... on Windows and OSX. |
| 04:35.15 | krazykit | are you familiar with the catch-22 here? |
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| 04:35.27 | Vasistha | !kernel mantra |
| 04:35.27 | dpkg | use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out |
| 04:35.28 | ShiFTKey-Linux | yea but windows doesn't release a new kernel every 5 days |
| 04:35.29 | ShiFTKey-Linux | :) |
| 04:35.30 | Vasistha | zu22: ^^^ |
| 04:35.46 | Vasistha | zu22: are you absolutely certain you need to compile your own? |
| 04:35.49 | krazykit | they won't make better/free drivers until there's a lot more demand for it. there won't be a lot more demand for it til it's zomg-supar-EZ to install, which won't be til it's better/free |
| 04:35.49 | zu22 | krazykit: i saw 2 different debianized source packages: linux-tree-2.6.18 and linux-source-2.6.18 so wondering which is best |
| 04:35.58 | purplepenguins | if it's not in the repos though, you need to compile your own |
| 04:36.00 | dalias | vasistha, i found that the debian kernels have broken patches applied |
| 04:36.09 | dalias | some sort of no-exec-stack thing |
| 04:36.24 | zu22 | Vasistha: yes, i don't like all the stuff turned on in the default image packages which i don't need, and this isn't the fastest of machines so i want a learner meaner kernel :) |
| 04:36.29 | krazykit | zu22, i think one is a meta-package |
| 04:36.29 | dalias | and the standard 'noexec=off' commandline option doesn't disable it |
| 04:36.30 | gameman | quick question on lame (this probebly isnt the best place, but we'll see).. the lame package that comes with debian... the help says its lame infile outfile, yet it seems that its reversed |
| 04:36.37 | zu22 | krazykit: ah |
| 04:36.44 | dalias | gameman, huh? |
| 04:36.50 | Vasistha | dalias: damn. Well, I also know that there's an issue with multiple internet connections :P |
| 04:36.53 | dalias | infile outfile is the order for lame |
| 04:37.08 | gameman | dalias: hm..... ok... so... this isnt working :( |
| 04:37.18 | dalias | gameman, what commandline? |
| 04:37.19 | ShiFTKey-Linux | NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE |
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| 04:37.32 | \amethyst | zu22: you only need linux-tree if you need to exactly reproduce particular debian kernels (including older debian revisions) |
| 04:37.39 | lontra | !shoot ShiFTKey-Linux |
| 04:37.42 | gameman | im trying to downconvert some mp3s.. so im using lame --mp3input -V infile outfile |
| 04:37.54 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: again -- did you follow the instructions at http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental ? |
| 04:37.58 | dalias | gameman, and what happens? |
| 04:37.59 | zu22 | \amethyst: ah ok i won't worry about that then thx |
| 04:38.00 | ShiFTKey-Linux | yes |
| 04:38.02 | wireddd | ShiFTKey: whats your problem with the nvidia drivers? |
| 04:38.04 | ShiFTKey-Linux | that command line didnt work |
| 04:38.17 | dalias | gameman, ..... |
| 04:38.19 | gameman | could not find file |
| 04:38.20 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: and what happened when you followed those instructions? What was the error? when did it occur? |
| 04:38.21 | dalias | -V needs an argument |
| 04:38.33 | gameman | it has to have an argument? it says it has a default |
| 04:38.34 | zu22 | Vasistha: it's fun building kernels too :P |
| 04:38.35 | dalias | thus "infile" is getting treated as the argument to -V |
| 04:38.38 | ShiFTKey-Linux | how do i paste this without getting kicked |
| 04:38.39 | \amethyst | zu22: linux-source-x.y.z contains the debian-patched source packaged as a tar.bz2 file in /usr/src |
| 04:38.46 | cafuego | gameman: 'ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -ab <birate-in-kb> -vn bar.mp3' |
| 04:38.47 | cartesian1984 | Vasistha: Thank you. |
| 04:38.49 | dalias | gameman, how the hell could it be optional? |
| 04:38.53 | gameman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.53 | Vasistha | cartesian1984: np |
| 04:38.58 | wireddd | ShiFTKey: pastebin.ca |
| 04:39.06 | zu22 | \amethyst: cool i will use make-kpkg in there |
| 04:39.07 | gameman | ill try that though |
| 04:39.14 | Malf | gameman: So that means if you don't specify V it will use 4 |
| 04:39.21 | gameman | oh... ok |
| 04:39.25 | \amethyst | gameman: "default" there means if you don't specify it |
| 04:39.25 | lontra | !pastebin |
| 04:39.25 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 04:39.26 | gameman | well.. now im getting a seg fault |
| 04:39.27 | dalias | gameman, right. if you don't use -V at all, the default is 4 |
| 04:39.30 | Malf | sweeter |
| 04:39.35 | Vasistha | !tell ShiFTKey-Linux about paster |
| 04:39.38 | dalias | optional arguments are fundamentally impossible tho |
| 04:39.51 | dalias | there'd be no way to distinguish between an option of "8" and a file named "8" |
| 04:40.04 | gameman | makes sense |
| 04:40.09 | \amethyst | dalias: you mean fundamentallly impossible to do well :) |
| 04:40.18 | gameman | now im just getting segfaults.. |
| 04:40.23 | Vasistha | dalias: well, unless it's the last thing you pass to the command, *after* i/o :-) |
| 04:40.27 | gameman | lemme try the ffmpeg command that cafuego tried |
| 04:40.33 | gameman | err said |
| 04:40.39 | ShiFTKey-Linux | http://pastebin.ca/442344 |
| 04:40.55 | \amethyst | dalias: See perl's -i option :) |
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| 04:41.19 | dalias | \amethyst, perl is evil |
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| 04:41.55 | ShiFTKey-Linux | alright |
| 04:41.58 | ShiFTKey-Linux | im done with this |
| 04:41.59 | ShiFTKey-Linux | im going to bed |
| 04:42.02 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: dude, bad copy-paste -- you need a 2.6 in there, nvidia-kernel-2.6 ... in fact, just drop the uname -r | sed part completely, and do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 04:42.11 | gameman | alright, trying the ffmpeg command gives me a "could not find codec parameters" error |
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| 04:42.26 | dalias | gameman, lame would be a better tool for what you want |
| 04:42.39 | gameman | ok, lame gives me a segfault |
| 04:42.40 | dalias | it's really crashing with a trivial commandline? |
| 04:42.47 | gameman | yeah |
| 04:42.59 | ShiFTKey-Linux | wait |
| 04:43.01 | ShiFTKey-Linux | its working |
| 04:43.08 | gameman | no, etch |
| 04:43.17 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: copying the command properly is important ;-) |
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| 04:43.27 | gameman | /etc/debian_version = 4.0 (etch, right?) |
| 04:43.29 | ShiFTKey-Linux | i did copy it properly |
| 04:44.15 | ShiFTKey-Linux | should I use framebuffer? |
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| 04:44.20 | ShiFTKey-Linux | what is framebuffer anyway? |
| 04:44.52 | krazykit | ShiFTKey-Linux, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 04:44.57 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey-Linux: well, somewhere, something went wrong, because it's clear that the "2.6" is missing from the command you issued, which gave the error. Next time, rather than the full-on paste, you can try looking at the output a little bit yourself... "E:" stands for "Error" -- so you could have just said "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-686" |
| 04:46.07 | gameman | so you guys dont know why im getting segfaults with lame? |
| 04:46.26 | ShiFTKey | Do I have to reboot after this is done? |
| 04:46.27 | streuner | why should we care? |
| 04:46.34 | dalias | streuner, wtf.. |
| 04:46.38 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: probably not. you rarely have to reboot linux |
| 04:46.42 | dalias | gameman, sorry, i don't know. |
| 04:46.49 | ShiFTKey | well it didnt work |
| 04:46.49 | streuner | we are care about stuff which is in Debian |
| 04:46.50 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: you might need to restart your X server, though |
| 04:46.58 | ShiFTKey | that didnt work |
| 04:46.59 | dalias | streuner, lame is in debian, no? |
| 04:47.03 | streuner | no |
| 04:47.04 | dalias | it should be; it's free |
| 04:47.11 | Vasistha | !tell ShiFTKey about didn't work |
| 04:47.12 | gameman | streuner: you dont, i just dont know where to go for help so i came to the most obvious place IMO |
| 04:47.24 | zu22 | gameman: to investigate segfaults make sure you have corefiles allowed, next time it crashes analyze with "./gdb lame core" |
| 04:47.25 | gameman | ive already said that this might not be THE best place to ask |
| 04:47.39 | zu22 | gameman: you can also try using strace |
| 04:47.41 | dalias | zu22, ./gdb?! |
| 04:47.42 | gameman | zu22: ok, how do you allow coredumps? |
| 04:47.57 | zu22 | gameman: ulimit coredumpsize iirc |
| 04:47.59 | \amethyst | ulimit core unlimited |
| 04:48.01 | ShiFTKey | im going to bed now |
| 04:48.04 | zu22 | gameman: look in bash manual |
| 04:48.06 | ShiFTKey | thanks for all the help guys |
| 04:48.10 | gameman | ok, thanks |
| 04:48.11 | dalias | ulimit -c unlimited |
| 04:48.11 | ShiFTKey | ill work on this further tommorow |
| 04:48.14 | dalias | is the correct syntax |
| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 04:48.31 | zu22 | yup |
| 04:48.31 | \amethyst | what dalias said |
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| 04:50.12 | dalias | i wonder if lame is built with 686/athlon/p4/etc asm.. is your cpu older? |
| 04:50.14 | gameman | i dont see anything horribly wrong when i run gdb lame core.. |
| 04:50.21 | gameman | lemme try something though |
| 04:51.08 | gameman | ok so what am i looking for when i run gdb lame core? |
| 04:51.27 | \amethyst | gameman: type bt and look at the functions |
| 04:51.31 | \amethyst | gameman: do you know C? |
| 04:51.46 | gameman | ehh.. kinda sorta... not really |
| 04:51.49 | dalias | i would run 'disassemble' and look at the address where it crashed |
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| 04:51.58 | dalias | see if it's a sse opcode or something |
| 04:52.35 | gameman | Dump of assembler code for function memcpy: thats a C function right? |
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| 04:53.18 | dalias | ok then memcpy was called with an invalid pointer it looks like |
| 04:53.47 | gameman | invalid pointer = null? i see some things listed as 0x00000000 |
| 04:54.06 | gameman | #15 0x00000000 in ?? () (from bt) |
| 04:54.06 | dalias | null would be a particularly nice invalid pointer :) |
| 04:54.22 | gameman | and memcpy is #0 |
| 04:54.36 | \amethyst | gameman: in bt it lists an address in memcpy |
| 04:54.45 | \amethyst | gameman: what does disassemble say about that address? |
| 04:54.47 | gameman | #0 0xb7db6a75 in memcpy () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 04:54.56 | dalias | naw that's part of the backtrace, either a smashed stack or -fomit-frame-pointer |
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| 04:55.14 | gameman | 0xb7db6a75 <memcpy+21>: movsb %ds:(%esi),%es:(%edi) |
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| 04:55.54 | gameman | note: i have no clue about anything assembler wise |
| 04:56.56 | \amethyst | gameman: what does i registers say about esi and edi? |
| 04:57.14 | gameman | esi 0x81bd864 136042596 |
| 04:57.17 | gameman | edi 0xc6f7fedc -956825892 |
| 04:57.34 | \amethyst | gameman: this is a 32-bit system? |
| 04:57.37 | gameman | yeah |
| 04:57.41 | \amethyst | looks like it's trying to write into kernel memory |
| 04:57.53 | gameman | why would it do that... |
| 04:58.02 | \amethyst | probably a smashed pointer |
| 04:58.18 | gameman | ..... /me gets evil idea... what happens if i run that code as root? |
| 04:58.25 | \amethyst | nope, won't work |
| 04:58.27 | dalias | no difference |
| 04:58.31 | \amethyst | even root can't write to kernel memory |
| 04:58.32 | dalias | the pointer is invalid |
| 04:58.33 | gameman | oh |
| 04:58.41 | gameman | ok, so could that be invalid input? |
| 04:58.42 | dalias | its not strictly speaking 'kernel memory' |
| 04:58.44 | \amethyst | it's not mapped in for user processes |
| 04:58.59 | gameman | ah |
| 04:59.05 | dalias | it's just an address range that's reserved so that the kernel can have it mapped when in kernelspace, and have all userspace addresses still be valid addresses |
| 04:59.16 | gameman | (noob when it comes to this debugging stuff) |
| 04:59.18 | \amethyst | gameman: where did you get lame from? |
| 04:59.38 | gameman | uhh, one of 2 places... |
| 04:59.41 | streuner | gamemna: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:59.46 | gameman | want my sources.list? |
| 04:59.53 | streuner | Why not? |
| 05:00.02 | gameman | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:00.07 | gameman | 1 sec, lemme paste |
| 05:00.31 | \amethyst | gameman: is there a lame-dbg available? |
| 05:00.37 | gameman | http://www.slexy.org/paste/2261 |
| 05:00.55 | gameman | no |
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| 05:03.02 | \amethyst | gameman: because without debugging symbols you're going to have a hard time figuring out what function passed the bad pointer into memcpy |
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| 05:03.25 | gameman | :S eek |
| 05:03.37 | gameman | sounds like im out of luck? |
| 05:03.50 | krazykit | gameman, sounds like you need to install the -dbg package |
| 05:04.00 | gameman | which i dont have |
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| 05:04.57 | gameman | and i dont have it liste |
| 05:04.58 | gameman | d |
| 05:05.14 | Malf | you could compile the source and step through the code! *nudge nudge* |
| 05:05.54 | gameman | Malf: dont tempt me, step into is my favorite debugging tool :P (i suck at programming anyway) |
| 05:06.08 | Malf | heh |
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| 05:08.28 | gameman | alright, ill try building from source tomarrow or something |
| 05:08.30 | gameman | i gotta get to bed |
| 05:08.33 | gameman | thanks for the help :) |
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| 05:09.22 | undesktop | why isn't there Linux 2.6.19 in Debian, and why is 2.6.18 still default, although there's 2.6.20? |
| 05:09.45 | streuner | because etch is releasted... |
| 05:09.49 | Supaplex | any suggestions for weeding down the size of a install to support wireless, dillo, vim, and iceweasel? this poor thing only has 500mb of / :P (and 32mb /proc/kcore) |
| 05:10.07 | streuner | there should be some 2.6.20 kernels soon |
| 05:10.13 | Supaplex | undesktop: you're free to roll your own. /msg dpkg kp |
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| 05:10.44 | undesktop | Supaplex: I know... just asking because there are maybe stability issues or such (?) |
| 05:11.14 | streuner | Supaplex: please don't tell random people to compile kernels on there own, in face of more then 500 options nowadays for modern kernels |
| 05:11.19 | Supaplex | undesktop: it's the one caveat of stable. it's stable because nothing new is accepted until after it's tested very well. takes time. |
| 05:12.00 | Supaplex | streuner: mmm ok. but elaborate. |
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| 05:13.18 | undesktop | Supaplex: I'm using unstable |
| 05:13.33 | undesktop | Supaplex: 2.6.18-4 seems to be default in unstable |
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| 05:13.51 | streuner | so why do you want a newer kernel? |
| 05:14.02 | streuner | What the reason for? playing? |
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| 05:15.11 | Supaplex | he's on sid, why should we baby him from himself. |
| 05:15.26 | streuner | in order to have less headaches? |
| 05:15.28 | undesktop | streuner: I removed my current (self built) kernel, now there's no /vmlinuz |
| 05:15.40 | streuner | its just a symlink |
| 05:15.43 | streuner | man ln |
| 05:15.51 | jetscreamer | because this isn't old school #debian anymore, it's the p.c. #debian |
| 05:16.03 | streuner | Supaplex: see |
| 05:16.05 | undesktop | I know I know... but still I'm too lazy to add it myself |
| 05:16.09 | jetscreamer | and we all hold hands in this brave new world |
| 05:16.27 | streuner | We cannot help you then, if you are lazy |
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| 05:16.31 | Supaplex | fair enough. |
| 05:16.52 | undesktop | heh |
| 05:17.01 | undesktop | but I still don't get how this is managed |
| 05:17.13 | undesktop | I usually have /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old |
| 05:17.20 | undesktop | who does own this links? |
| 05:17.35 | undesktop | or how do you actually set the default kernel version? |
| 05:17.43 | Supaplex | it's part of the hooks+inst scripts with the kernel. |
| 05:17.53 | undesktop | are other postfixes possible? (maybe /vmlinuz.myown) |
| 05:18.09 | Supaplex | that's up to the bootloader |
| 05:18.21 | undesktop | I use lilo |
| 05:18.25 | Supaplex | those /vmlin* /initrd* links were mainly for lilo legacy stuff. |
| 05:18.40 | undesktop | is there maybe some update-kernel script or so where you can set the links? similar to update-alternatives? |
| 05:18.45 | undesktop | oh |
| 05:18.46 | Supaplex | there you have it. do it yourself if you didn't use a debian kernel. |
| 05:18.55 | jetscreamer | grub just does it automatically |
| 05:18.57 | undesktop | it was a debian kernel |
| 05:19.08 | undesktop | a make-kpkg kernel |
| 05:19.09 | Supaplex | grub could care less about lilo semantics |
| 05:19.11 | jetscreamer | it finds the kernels in /boot and adds to menu.lst |
| 05:19.44 | jetscreamer | the postinstst calls /usr/sbin/update-grub or so |
| 05:19.52 | jetscreamer | inst |
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| 05:20.09 | Supaplex | see /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 05:20.11 | jetscreamer | /etc/kernel-img.conf iirc |
| 05:20.17 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:20.33 | Supaplex | or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 05:20.34 | Supaplex | =) |
| 05:20.41 | undesktop | but even GRUB has a default entry |
| 05:20.52 | undesktop | (I guess... at least it hadds /vmlinuz) |
| 05:21.04 | jetscreamer | no the postinst does |
| 05:21.09 | jetscreamer | man kernel-img.conf |
| 05:21.14 | undesktop | wait... it's /boot/vmlinuz |
| 05:21.22 | jetscreamer | well the grub thing is a hook |
| 05:21.29 | Supaplex | update-grub scans /boot for vmlinu* and according initrd* |
| 05:21.30 | jetscreamer | come to remember |
| 05:21.50 | jetscreamer | man kernel-img.conf and less the file |
| 05:21.55 | |rouemirc| | Why is it that upgrading gtk2-engines to 2.10 APT marks a shitload of thing to remove, such as gdm, gnome, nautilus, gimp, and beryl? |
| 05:21.59 | Supaplex | it even picked up fedora kernels I had trying to slate install debian remotely. |
| 05:22.03 | jetscreamer | other way around |
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| 05:22.16 | undesktop | so GRUB is considered legacy? |
| 05:22.22 | jetscreamer | less then man |
| 05:22.22 | undesktop | s/GRUB/lilo |
| 05:22.25 | Supaplex | grub > lilo |
| 05:22.25 | streuner | There are still some people out there who playing with kernels, did they ever think twice what they actually doing? |
| 05:22.27 | jetscreamer | no lilo is kinda |
| 05:22.34 | jetscreamer | lilo still works fine |
| 05:22.48 | undesktop | I always thought lilo was "faster" than GRUB |
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| 05:23.01 | jetscreamer | i prefer access to grubshell |
| 05:23.04 | Supaplex | lilo's still supported for various reasons. it still works, it's still maintained. it can do one boot trys. (grub can to, but that requires a patch) |
| 05:23.27 | streuner | well, lilo works well :-) |
| 05:23.33 | jetscreamer | trys? |
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| 05:24.05 | Supaplex | eg, boot this kernel *once*. great for remote installs when you only have a 'free reboot' option. |
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| 05:24.27 | jetscreamer | ah i've seen that in the man |
| 05:24.31 | jetscreamer | page |
| 05:24.32 | Supaplex | or your data center is such a%#hats, they won't select a kernel on a boot menu. |
| 05:24.32 | zu22 | i use lilo, very nice if u only want a dual boot setup and easy to add kernels to the menu etc.. |
| 05:24.44 | jetscreamer | can't grub do that too? |
| 05:24.56 | jetscreamer | zu22 same for grub, like that |
| 05:25.03 | zu22 | heh |
| 05:25.05 | Supaplex | only in grub2 afaik. (or grub 0.9x with a patch) |
| 05:25.14 | streuner | dpkg, start a bootloader war |
| 05:25.14 | dpkg | msdos bootloader kicks some ass |
| 05:25.15 | zu22 | nod |
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| 05:25.54 | undesktop | Grub2 isn't there yet is it? |
| 05:25.56 | zu22 | the plan9 boot loader is insane |
| 05:26.19 | streuner | !tell undesktop about search |
| 05:26.34 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:26.36 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:26.45 | jetscreamer | no he mean in functionality, streuner |
| 05:26.50 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 05:27.11 | undesktop | "grub2 - The next generation of GNU GRUB [EXPERIMENTAL]" |
| 05:27.13 | undesktop | all caps :) |
| 05:27.22 | undesktop | EXPERIMENTAL!!! |
| 05:27.31 | Supaplex | I bet plan9's boot loader is just complicated, because they can. you can do some zany things with plan9. :) |
| 05:27.36 | Malf | that's how you know it's going to kick ass TO THE EXTREME!!! |
| 05:27.37 | Supaplex | no duh! |
| 05:27.56 | undesktop | now that I'm at... is there a wrapper which merges apt-get and apt-cache into one command? |
| 05:28.12 | Supaplex | like aptitude? |
| 05:28.15 | jetscreamer | yes... dselect |
| 05:28.20 | undesktop | no, command line |
| 05:28.20 | jetscreamer | muhahaha |
| 05:28.25 | jase090 | anyone help? Im using Xandros *debian based*, Its terrible, I only use it bcos it automatically works with my Rt73 Ralink wifi device, none other distro has done this so far... I have probs on Xandros tho, packages are special "Xandros" ones and makes it annoying to install normal debs. Also it never used SWAP its always just using Ram, does anyone know why? |
| 05:28.32 | undesktop | meh I guess I could just set aliases |
| 05:28.33 | jetscreamer | yes.. dselect |
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| 05:28.48 | undesktop | dselect sucks very hard |
| 05:28.51 | undesktop | IMO |
| 05:28.56 | krazykit | jase090, xandros is not debian. |
| 05:29.14 | jase090 | krazykit, I know but debian users are smart |
| 05:29.14 | krazykit | and the rt73 driver should build fine with a debian kernel |
| 05:29.16 | Supaplex | jase090: do you want hardware support for that so you can migrate to debian? your other questions are unrelated here. |
| 05:29.42 | vIR_uS | hi. where ist kernel-source-2.6.16.27-061216a or its kernel headers? i do only have virtual packages. |
| 05:29.54 | streuner | vIR_uS: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:30.07 | undesktop | krazykit: but it doesn't find the frigging firmware |
| 05:30.13 | vIR_uS | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 05:30.15 | jase090 | Well, 1, it would be cool if I can some how transform my Xandros into debian.... or 2.. can I somehow steal xandros wireless driver and install it into debian |
| 05:30.15 | Supaplex | vIR_uS: that doesn't look like a debian.org maintained kernel. |
| 05:30.20 | undesktop | krazykit: so I'm using ndiswrapper now |
| 05:30.48 | streuner | vIR_uS: there is no 2.6.16 kernel in stable, there was one in b.p.o |
| 05:30.50 | vIR_uS | it came with aptitude upgrade |
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| 05:31.11 | krazykit | undesktop, usually you have to put the firmware in manually, whatever you're talking about now |
| 05:31.20 | vIR_uS | i do only have dotdeb, java and debian repos in my sources.list |
| 05:31.31 | streuner | omg |
| 05:31.34 | jase090 | I have a debian DVD but it doesnt recognise my sata hard drives, is there a command at boot to get the to work? |
| 05:31.37 | vIR_uS | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main contrib |
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| 05:31.45 | vIR_uS | ah |
| 05:31.53 | zu22 | Supaplex: heh |
| 05:31.55 | undesktop | krazykit: I did so |
| 05:31.55 | krazykit | jase090, is it etch? |
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| 05:31.59 | Supaplex | jase090: nopaste the output of your lspci and lsusb somewhere |
| 05:32.07 | jase090 | i'll just check |
| 05:32.10 | undesktop | krazykit: but still the driver complaint about not finding the firmware *shrug* |
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| 05:32.39 | Supaplex | undesktop: there are some firmware related packages for debian. |
| 05:32.45 | jase090 | draeath jase090, no. It annoys me that I see all these programs that come for both Win and OSX... now how hard would a linux binary of some kind be? |
| 05:32.50 | jase090 | oops |
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| 05:32.53 | vIR_uS | the latest kernel-image for sarge is 2.6.8-12 then? |
| 05:33.03 | streuner | yes, 2.6.8 |
| 05:33.17 | streuner | keep in mind sarge is oldstable |
| 05:33.32 | vIR_uS | what is the diff between amd64-k8 and amd64-generic? |
| 05:33.34 | undesktop | Supaplex: like? I didn't get it to work... udev is supposed to load firmware, I guess |
| 05:34.01 | jase090 | supaplex,0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT |
| 05:34.01 | jase090 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.01 | jase090 | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GM |
| 05:34.01 | jase090 | L Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 05:34.01 | jase090 | 0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Expre |
| 05:34.02 | vIR_uS | would sarge->stable help? |
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| 05:34.22 | undesktop | debhelper: hard but fair |
| 05:34.25 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 05:34.25 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 05:34.39 | zu22 | !lart jade090 |
| 05:34.44 | jase090 | 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Co ntroller (rev 02) |
| 05:34.47 | jase090 | 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2) |
| 05:34.49 | jase090 | 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridg e (rev 02) |
| 05:34.52 | jase090 | 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controlle r (rev 02) |
| 05:34.52 | GreaseMonkey | pastebin it |
| 05:34.54 | zu22 | dammit stop flooding |
| 05:34.55 | jase090 | 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 02) |
| 05:34.55 | krazykit | jase090, use a pastebin |
| 05:34.58 | jase090 | 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev |
| 05:35.01 | zu22 | !kill jase090 |
| 05:35.02 | jase090 | im sorry |
| 05:35.08 | GreaseMonkey | jase090: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 05:36.09 | zu22 | !paste |
| 05:36.09 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 05:36.34 | jase090 | http://rafb.net/p/um7BoU44.html |
| 05:36.41 | Supaplex | much better. |
| 05:36.43 | jase090 | Wow, sorry I didnt know about this... |
| 05:36.54 | Supaplex | I said nopaste :P *g* heh. |
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| 05:37.43 | jase090 | sorry, no paste here at all? |
| 05:37.44 | Insolit | guys i'm running in a system with an ATI, and Xorg log is telling me "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA driver not found)" |
| 05:37.53 | Supaplex | jase090: nopaste lsusb, and lspci -n to. |
| 05:38.00 | undesktop | erm |
| 05:38.10 | Insolit | where does the system get the GLX extension to initialize? |
| 05:38.12 | GreaseMonkey | is debhelper able to kick users? |
| 05:38.17 | undesktop | what the heck? installing the 2.6.20 kernel didn't create the /vmlinuz symlink |
| 05:38.19 | Supaplex | jase090: the url is fine. the 3+ lines all at once isn't. you're doing ok now. |
| 05:38.58 | Supaplex | Insolit: what's it say after that. (Compat .... no found) |
| 05:39.15 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: you just want to kick users off? killall -u foousername |
| 05:39.33 | dalias | hey |
| 05:39.34 | GreaseMonkey | hehe |
| 05:39.55 | Vasistha | jase090: the etiquette is, never paste more than 1 or 2 lines. You paster about twelve. |
| 05:39.57 | Insolit | Supaplex: nothing else related |
| 05:40.00 | jase090 | rafb.net/p/bVar5D72.html |
| 05:40.01 | Vasistha | *pasted |
| 05:40.01 | dalias | is there any program packaged with debian which can print any unicode text you give it? |
| 05:40.11 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: if you mean something else, please be more specific |
| 05:40.13 | jase090 | yeah i thought it would come through in one message |
| 05:40.15 | dalias | using pango or something |
| 05:40.16 | Vasistha | dalias: I think what you want is a *font* |
| 05:40.24 | dalias | vasistha, ? |
| 05:40.31 | GreaseMonkey | i meant debhelper on this chan |
| 05:40.39 | dalias | assuming you have fonts.. |
| 05:40.44 | Insolit | does fglrx require dri to be running? |
| 05:40.48 | krazykit | GreaseMonkey, yeah, debhelper can kick people |
| 05:40.53 | streuner | GreaseMonkey: aas you alreadyso, yes :-P |
| 05:41.04 | streuner | s/as/aas/ |
| 05:41.05 | markybob | GreaseMonkey: who do you need to kick off? and why? you could always msg the ops if there's a violation |
| 05:41.08 | dalias | surely firefox, oowriter, or abiword (maybe) could do it |
| 05:41.10 | Vasistha | dalias: well, unicode fonts don't usually contain all the possible glyphs. They're usually specialized for certain languages |
| 05:41.17 | dalias | but i was more hoping for a commandline util |
| 05:41.24 | GreaseMonkey | oh, just wondering |
| 05:41.30 | dalias | vasistha, right. a good program will pull glyphs from any fonts available |
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| 05:41.40 | jase090 | supaplex, does the info help |
| 05:41.48 | Supaplex | Insolit: you pasted "... (Compatible NVIDIA driver not found)" - did you read that part to? do you have an nvidia driver installed? when's the last time this worked? |
| 05:41.53 | Supaplex | jase090: 1sec. |
| 05:41.57 | jase090 | ok |
| 05:41.58 | dalias | i'm looking for something like a2ps, but with proper unicode support |
| 05:42.16 | Insolit | Supaplex: i mean to have both nvidia and ati support (making a live-cd) |
| 05:42.50 | Supaplex | Insolit: irc.freshmeat.net #debian-live |
| 05:42.50 | Insolit | i'm trying to understand what does both videocard need to get loaded when drivers and modules are installed |
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| 05:43.22 | dalias | hmm maybe "paps" is what i want |
| 05:43.24 | markybob | Insolit: create an xorg config file based on successful/unsuccessful grep of lspci ? |
| 05:43.31 | cybermad | how do i know the subnet mask for this IP ? 203.84.155.150 /xx? |
| 05:43.42 | Insolit | markybob: xorg file is not all |
| 05:44.27 | dalias | hmmm ooffice -p can do it too apparently.. |
| 05:44.41 | markybob | cybermad: what class is it? |
| 05:44.44 | Supaplex | jase090: your sata controller uses ata_piix in 2.6.18-4 |
| 05:44.56 | Supaplex | jase090: have you tried a recent netinst image? |
| 05:45.08 | jase090 | no |
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| 05:45.42 | jase090 | I have no disks so its a problem, i was hoping there was a way to install a distro from within a distro from ISO file etc |
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| 05:46.08 | m0rbid | Can someone tell me if there is any desktop icon package that can use png files? |
| 05:46.16 | cybermad | marcels i believe it's C |
| 05:46.21 | Supaplex | jase090: and I'm not sure about the usb. I don't see it in this kernel, or some of the module-assistant targets I built last night. eg, it's not in rt2570 or zd1211 |
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| 05:46.50 | Supaplex | jase090: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 05:47.02 | markybob | cybermad: c class has 255....so your mask bits is 24 |
| 05:47.03 | Supaplex | D.3. Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System |
| 05:47.29 | jase090 | supaplex, this is my IWCONFIG rausb0 RT73 WLAN ESSID:"PissOffMyRouter" Nickname:"metamorph" |
| 05:47.58 | \amethyst | cybermad: err, blah.150/24 seems a little strange |
| 05:48.04 | Supaplex | jase090: ndiswrapper, or some other module? |
| 05:48.19 | \amethyst | cybermad: ah, that was an entire ip, not the network address |
| 05:48.25 | cybermad | i think it's subnetting.. i'm not sure it's /24 |
| 05:48.34 | jase090 | its not NDISWrapper |
| 05:49.08 | cybermad | i ever learn about subnetting before.. but i don't remember it again |
| 05:49.09 | jase090 | just built in module from Xandros |
| 05:49.09 | \amethyst | cybermad: do you knwo what the range of IPs is? |
| 05:49.14 | undesktop | jase090: that rt73 thing? |
| 05:49.17 | cybermad | i don't know |
| 05:49.28 | Supaplex | what's this say? (use nopaste if it's more than a line) egrep -i "0db0.*6877" /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias |
| 05:49.35 | Vasistha | m0rbid: you might ask in your *dm channel, e.g. #kde or #gnome |
| 05:50.26 | jase090 | undesktop, sorry im a little confused, very tired, Im looking to see whether I can easily config rt73 in debian before in install it |
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| 05:51.54 | Vasistha | jase090: it's quite possible to install debian without any removable media. You need to download an .iso and store it in the root directory of one of your partitions, and also download the special hd-media/vmliunz and hd-media/initrd.gz |
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| 05:52.25 | jase090 | ok so you can boot from command shell? or grub |
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| 05:52.41 | Vasistha | jase090: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html |
| 05:53.16 | jase090 | thanks, i'll have a look |
| 05:54.11 | Vasistha | jase090: I've done it a couple times now ;-) it's not so hard at all, but finding the vmlinuz and initrd.gz can be a PITA because the documentation does not mention any mirrors. I'll get a url for you |
| 05:54.30 | jase090 | thanks mate |
| 05:54.33 | jase090 | :) |
| 05:54.42 | Vasistha | jase090: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 05:54.53 | Vasistha | jase090: of course if you're not in the US you can adjust the domain accordingly |
| 05:54.59 | Supaplex | jase090: can you boot from usb? that manual section works a little better that way (so you can flatten the target filesystem durring install). or if you have windows installed, www.goodbye-windows.com. |
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| 05:56.13 | aalex | hi |
| 05:56.17 | zu22 | Supaplex: i like that domain name :) |
| 05:56.27 | aalex | anyone can help me with a few english sentences ? It is not my 1st lang |
| 05:56.34 | aalex | (no kidding) |
| 05:56.54 | zu22 | someone needs to put up a www.vista-is-overpriced-insecure-flaky-crap.com |
| 05:56.54 | Vasistha | aalex: this is #debian not #english ;-) |
| 05:57.10 | zu22 | haha |
| 05:57.18 | zu22 | !karma Vasistha |
| 05:57.18 | dpkg | vasistha has neutral karma |
| 05:57.22 | jase090 | I cant boot from usb Supaplex , not at the moment. I'll give this a go, is there any risk or ruining current setup? |
| 05:57.27 | Supaplex | zu22: it's mine. content is a little stale, but still works ok. =) (new uploads are available to) |
| 05:57.28 | aalex | eh, there is a #english chan |
| 05:57.29 | aalex | !! |
| 05:57.29 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 05:57.48 | aalex | !! |
| 05:57.48 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 05:57.49 | zu22 | Supaplex; cool will bookmark it |
| 05:57.56 | Vasistha | aalex: #english-help may be better |
| 05:58.06 | zu22 | you tell em dpkg :) |
| 05:58.08 | Supaplex | jase090: which method? |
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| 05:58.20 | Supaplex | !fr |
| 05:58.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:58.32 | jase090 | hd install |
| 05:58.42 | aalex | Supaplex, no need help in french !!! |
| 05:58.55 | Vasistha | jase090: well, what's your current setup, and what are you worried about ruining? In any case, you should always back up your files before attempting an install or upgrade |
| 05:58.57 | Supaplex | aalex: what's your native language? |
| 05:59.16 | aalex | fr |
| 05:59.18 | jase090 | well im planning on installing to seperate partition |
| 05:59.23 | aalex | fr_CA |
| 05:59.26 | aalex | hehe |
| 05:59.48 | zu22 | aalex: tu es Quebecois n'est pas? |
| 05:59.50 | Vasistha | jase090: heh, as long as you're not resizing any partitions ;-) You're pretty low-risk, then. |
| 06:00.00 | aalex | zu22, n'est-ce pas, oui |
| 06:00.12 | jase090 | cool, thanks for your helps |
| 06:00.41 | Supaplex | aalex: this is a Debian Linux support channel in English. Our primary role is to support Debian. To answer your first question, no we're not the right place for help for what you're looking for. sorry! try finding something more related to your request. |
| 06:00.42 | Vasistha | jase090: np. You should probably spend a little time reading the install manual, although the installer has gotten pretty user-friendly... |
| 06:01.07 | aalex | ok thanks Supaplex |
| 06:01.28 | jase090 | ok |
| 06:01.32 | undesktop | where can I see signal quality when using WLAN? |
| 06:01.42 | Vasistha | aalex: I'll be happy to help you with english in #debian-offtopic though |
| 06:01.52 | aalex | but there is many people here... and people tend to be very nice on this channel. sorry. I found some help in #English : thank you guys for pointing me that |
| 06:02.05 | Kevin` | undesktop iwconfig will give you the numbers for it, but i've seen gui tools for it too |
| 06:02.20 | undesktop | Kevin`: what field in iwconfig? |
| 06:02.20 | Kevin` | dunno if you have the gui tools in question, of course :) |
| 06:02.23 | Supaplex | aalex: that's ok. our primary intention was to find where you needed to go next. =) |
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| 06:02.45 | undesktop | Kevin`: is it "Link Quality"? |
| 06:02.51 | jcath | hello,anyone successfully install the conxant's hsf hda bus modem driver on ubuntu 6.10? |
| 06:02.52 | Kevin` | undesktop hmm I forget exactly what it's called, "signal" maybe? and noise. two negative numbers, higher (closer to 0), is better |
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| 06:03.06 | Vasistha | !tell jcath -about ubuntu |
| 06:03.08 | Supaplex | jcath: ask #ubuntu |
| 06:03.20 | jcath | :P |
| 06:03.20 | Kevin` | undesktop well actually, low noise is of course better ;) |
| 06:03.22 | jase090 | Vasistha, Are there any small debian ISO's that come with X |
| 06:03.28 | undesktop | Kevin`: that "Link Quality" field shows 78/100... so maybe 78 points out of 100? |
| 06:03.41 | jcath | I think it is the problem of source ... |
| 06:03.43 | Vasistha | jase090: just use the net installer |
| 06:03.44 | jcath | driver source |
| 06:03.45 | undesktop | "Signal level:-46 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm" |
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| 06:03.48 | Kevin` | undesktop that's not normally the field I look at, but it's obviously applicable |
| 06:04.02 | Kevin` | ya that one |
| 06:04.04 | Vasistha | jcath: the problem is that we can't help you, because ubuntu is not debian, and we don't know how to help you with ubuntu. |
| 06:04.06 | Kevin` | those are good numbers |
| 06:04.20 | undesktop | Kevin`: the sender is 1.5 m far away from the receiver |
| 06:04.33 | jase090 | Vasistha, im confused..sorry. When I boot up, I wont have net access, im on wifi |
| 06:04.46 | Kevin` | meters or miles? |
| 06:04.46 | zu22 | !ubuntu |
| 06:04.47 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 06:05.07 | undesktop | Kevin`: meters |
| 06:05.53 | undesktop | Kevin`: miles would be a bit too much :) |
| 06:05.53 | Kevin` | i'd expect numbers lower (higher..) then that then, but they are still fine |
| 06:05.53 | k-man | how can i force removal of a package who's remove script has an error in it? |
| 06:05.53 | Vasistha | jase090: ohhh... hmm. well, honestly, X is not necessarily going to help you get net access, but if you'd still really like X before you get net access, then you can download one of the larger iso's. There are three different versions of disc 1, with either kde, gnome, or xfce I think |
| 06:05.53 | jcath | I just want to know if someone successfully install the conxant's softmodem driver on linux 2.6.x system |
| 06:05.56 | Supaplex | jcath: don't service your Dodge at a Volvo dealership. Ubuntu may be Debain like, but we're not responsible for that. If we do help you, it's too likely we'll trash your system (again, they're not the same) |
| 06:06.06 | Kevin` | undesktop miles is very possible with wifi, dunno what type of setup you had :) |
| 06:06.16 | Vasistha | !anyone use conxant softmodem |
| 06:06.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses conxant softmodem, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:06.26 | jase090 | Vasistha, Ohh so the net installer is not installed from net it just has net packages installed? |
| 06:06.27 | Kevin` | I have a conexant softmodem! |
| 06:06.32 | Supaplex | never used a trashmodem, er I mean softmodem. |
| 06:06.35 | Kevin` | I don't use it much, because softmodems suck |
| 06:06.56 | zu22 | aalex: i thought you wanted help with english |
| 06:06.56 | Kevin` | I have a 3com pci hardware modem for real use, from when I used dialup |
| 06:07.01 | jcath | yeah, I know softmodem sucks, but I was asked to make it work under linux :( |
| 06:07.02 | Supaplex | I have a v.everything that works just fine for that. =) |
| 06:07.06 | undesktop | sucks a bit: "while true ; do sleep 0.4 ; iwconfig | grep Link ; done" |
| 06:07.34 | Vasistha | jase090: the net installer can install a base system without net access, and you can use that base system to get your wireless set up, and then just use aptitude to set up your X |
| 06:07.35 | Kevin` | jcath as far as I know the evil linuxant driver is the only viable option, but it does.. work.. |
| 06:07.39 | jcath | and I downloaded the source code from conxant's linux support site, the compiling is ok, but every time load, it reports crash |
| 06:07.45 | Supaplex | jcath: if ubuntu can't support it, try installing debian. ;) |
| 06:07.51 | Kevin` | well, it worked for me ;) |
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| 06:08.09 | Supaplex | icky. :P |
| 06:08.30 | Kevin` | ah conexant has a driver now? |
| 06:08.30 | Supaplex | let's save $15 and rack up $200 in support man hours to baby it along. |
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| 06:08.42 | Kevin` | url? |
| 06:08.50 | jcath | [17179604.772000] Modules linked in: joydev hsfhda hsfserial hsfengine hsfosspec tsdev snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm sg snd_timer pcspkr evdev snd psmouse soundcore snd_page_alloc serio_raw via_rhine mii shpchp pci_hotplug ext3 jbd ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore ide_generic ide_cd cdrom via82cxxx sd_mod generic sata_via libata scsi_mod thermal processor fan... |
| 06:08.50 | jrsims | how do I add new fonts? |
| 06:08.52 | jcath | [17179604.772000] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address fbee7000 |
| 06:08.53 | jcath | [17179604.772000] printing eip: |
| 06:08.55 | jcath | [17179604.772000] f8efb580 |
| 06:08.56 | jcath | [17179604.772000] *pde = 00000000 |
| 06:08.57 | jcath | [17179604.772000] Oops: 0000 [#1] |
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| 06:08.59 | jcath | [17179604.772000] SMP |
| 06:09.01 | jcath | ...capability commoncap vesafb fbcon tileblit font bitblit softcursor |
| 06:09.02 | jcath | [17179604.772000] CPU: 0 |
| 06:09.03 | jase090 | Vasistha, I'll try |
| 06:09.04 | jcath | [17179604.772000] EIP: 0060:[<f8efb580>] Tainted: PF VLI |
| 06:09.06 | jcath | [17179604.772000] EFLAGS: 00010282 (2.6.17-10-generic #2) |
| 06:09.07 | jcath | [17179604.772000] EIP is at hsfengine744_+0x2060/0x271c [hsfengine] |
| 06:09.07 | jrsims | is there a font management tool, or do I just drop font files into a directory? |
| 06:09.08 | Supaplex | jcath: thanks for the flooooood |
| 06:09.10 | jcath | [17179604.772000] eax: 00000000 ebx: c0000000 ecx: 9c5edf57 edx: 3b447000 |
| 06:09.10 | jcath | [17179604.772000] esi: fbee7000 edi: f1f3f9f4 ebp: f6cb9c34 esp: f6cb9bec |
| 06:09.12 | jcath | [17179604.772000] ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 |
| 06:09.12 | fengor | !tell jcath about paste |
| 06:09.13 | Supaplex | !ops jcath flood |
| 06:09.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: jcath flood |
| 06:09.14 | jcath | [17179604.772000] Process modprobe (pid: 2938, threadinfo=f6cb8000 task=dfbdd030) |
| 06:09.16 | jcath | [17179604.772000] Stack: 00000000 00000000 c0000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 002a0000 00000000 |
| 06:09.18 | jcath | [17179604.772000] 00000000 00000000 00000000 000f73b0 deadaffe 6e55a180 f6e5a5c0 f6c6a600 |
| 06:09.20 | jcath | [17179604.772000] f7269108 f6c6a62c f6cb9c64 f8ef48a5 f6e88580 00000001 f6c6a604 f6c6a62c |
| 06:09.22 | jcath | [17179604.772000] Call Trace: |
| 06:09.24 | jcath | [17179604.772000] <f8ef48a5> hsfengine1550_+0x85/0xb0 [hsfengine] <f8ef44bd> hsfengine519_+0x1d/0x40 [hsfengine] |
| 06:09.29 | jcath | here is the kernel output |
| 06:09.29 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:09.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@124.42.45.131] by peterS |
| 06:09.30 | *** kick/#debian [jcath!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-210-129.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (geez) |
| 06:09.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:09.38 | Kevin` | jcath the conexant site just points me to the third party linuxant driver |
| 06:09.48 | zu22 | damn what is up with the flooders today |
| 06:09.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:09.58 | Kevin` | (which I have used in the past, even though it's an annoying pos) |
| 06:09.59 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@124.42.45.131] by peterS |
| 06:10.00 | Supaplex | they're a dime a dozen |
| 06:10.05 | peterS | oops, meant to kick, not ban |
| 06:10.16 | Supaplex | still works for me <3 |
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| 06:10.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:10.25 | zu22 | ah |
| 06:10.26 | Vasistha | peterS: I didn't think the ban was such a bad idea, since he was trying to get ubuntu help :P |
| 06:10.33 | Supaplex | ditto! |
| 06:10.38 | jrsims | can anyone tell me a good way to add new fonts? |
| 06:10.52 | Vasistha | jrsims: yeah, select them from aptitude, do a search for ttf or font |
| 06:11.02 | *** join/#debian jcath (n=chatzill@124.42.45.131) |
| 06:11.07 | jrsims | let's say i downloaded a font file |
| 06:11.12 | jcath | sorry for the flood just now |
| 06:11.54 | Kevin` | jcath you are using this with a laptop, of course? |
| 06:11.59 | jcath | I am really crazy, the module keeps crash, both single or smp configuration of the kernel |
| 06:12.01 | Vasistha | jcath: alright, so someone who is using DEBIAN got this modem to work. But you, who are using UBUNTU are having trouble. What on earth makes you think we should look at your UBUNTU KERNEL output? We cannot solve ubuntu problems here. |
| 06:12.03 | jcath | yes, Kevin |
| 06:12.11 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 06:12.17 | Supaplex | jcath: man ksymoops; contact vendor/driver author. |
| 06:12.35 | cafuego | jcath: It's a proprietary module, nobody is going to be able or willing to help. |
| 06:12.44 | Kevin` | I was actually using debian I think when it worked, too |
| 06:12.58 | jcath | yeah, I see. the driver source comes with some bianry .o file |
| 06:13.13 | Kevin` | jcath is the error in one of the binary files or source? |
| 06:13.21 | jrsims | Vasistha: I have this .psfu file. It's not a ttf, but is good for terminal (a pixel font). |
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| 06:13.50 | jcath | I dont know, kevin, there is some binary object files in the source directory |
| 06:13.55 | Vasistha | jrsims: hum, I don't have any experience, but I know that defoma is the debian font manager ... it may or may not help you with terminal fonts. But check out defoma |
| 06:14.01 | Kevin` | jcath pastebin the error |
| 06:14.11 | Supaplex | !tell jcath -about paste |
| 06:14.21 | Kevin` | or just look where the EIP is |
| 06:14.30 | Kevin` | assuming you have symbol names |
| 06:14.35 | jrsims | Vasistha: kthx |
| 06:14.40 | jcath | wait a minute, I'll post the kernel outputs somewhere |
| 06:14.54 | Supaplex | somewhere else than on irc. |
| 06:15.07 | Vasistha | *ahem* whenever we help ubuntu users in #debian than more ubuntu users will be encouraged to come here for support. *cough* *cough* |
| 06:15.13 | Vasistha | s/than/then/ |
| 06:15.34 | cartesian1984 | We don't need your kind 'round here! |
| 06:15.58 | cartesian1984 | But I was wondering, does #debian consider Ubuntu a positive influence on the state of linux or a negative one? |
| 06:16.22 | Supaplex | with all the child distros of us? I'd say we have a lot of offspring. |
| 06:16.22 | peterS | cartesian1984: there is no unified opinion on the general ubuntu question |
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| 06:16.30 | Vasistha | cartesian1984: I don't think the channel has an opinion; people in the channel have varying opinions ;-) |
| 06:16.36 | jrsims | question - will debian die? |
| 06:16.40 | Supaplex | never! |
| 06:16.40 | jcath | ok, if someone think that it is bad that I ask the driver prolbem help in this channel, I'll quit the room ...:( |
| 06:16.43 | cartesian1984 | Why would it? |
| 06:17.04 | peterS | jcath: this has nothing to do with driver problem help, it has to do with you running an Ubuntu kernel which is giving errors. we can't do anything with that. |
| 06:17.18 | Vasistha | jrsims: eventually. Someday there's going to be a next-generation kind of OS that will obsolete linux and debian .. but that's probably some years away. Well, that's my opinion :D |
| 06:17.20 | peterS | jcath: since we aren't running Ubuntu. if we were running Ubuntu, we would join #ubuntu. |
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| 06:17.53 | Supaplex | unless we were trolls. we would joing #ubuntu and ask debian questions. haha. |
| 06:18.00 | jcath | I tried ask help in #ubuntu there ,no one reply me. So I think the kindly friends in the #debian maybe help me |
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| 06:18.26 | peterS | jcath: well you can always ask, but I'm explaining why you won't get much of an answer here. because it's a kernel-specific problem, and Ubuntu has their own kernels |
| 06:18.30 | cafuego | jcath: The main problem is that the kernel is marked as 'TAINTED' which means it ahs non-free/open drivers loaded, which essentially voids your warranty in terms of open source delopers helping. |
| 06:18.30 | jrsims | question - what force keeps debian alive, and is there any danger of killing debian? |
| 06:19.28 | cafuego | jcath: Still, you could try posting that oops trace on launchpad.net |
| 06:19.38 | bonez39 | I have an older linux box at home...I recently ran apt-get and it seemed like 500 packages upgraded....I ran it through...rebooted and first had a ring buffer allocation failure, fixed by boosting the video ram in xorg conf... |
| 06:19.52 | jcath | but that is not my fault. I was asked to make it work ...:( |
| 06:20.07 | bonez39 | now, I boot and it tells me, failing to load gdm gui..that my mouse has failed....is it likely it is my mouse, or something weird with the system instead? |
| 06:20.19 | Vasistha | jrsims: all these people in this channel -- it's a force to be reckoned with! The Roman empire died as well as the Mongolian and the Persian empire. But who could predict when they would? Lots of people have predicted that lots of things would die, which haven't died yet. Who knows how much longer they'll be around? |
| 06:20.24 | Supaplex | jcath: if I were in your shoes, I'd contact the vendor/author with a bug report. (or, buy a pcmcia card) |
| 06:20.30 | peterS | jcath: it isn't our fault either that you're running a kernel we are not running, and a non-free driver we couldn't really support even if we were using the same kernel |
| 06:20.47 | cafuego | jcath: Still, closed-source module, there is no way any open source developer can help fix the problem. |
| 06:20.56 | bonez39 | Vasistha, and Supaplex similar to my prior troubles..just different devices/issues now.... |
| 06:21.09 | Supaplex | poor tainted kernel. *sniffle* |
| 06:21.09 | jcath | I have mailed the conxant support mail twice, but I got no reply |
| 06:21.13 | Vasistha | bonez39: were you using a different nick before? :-) |
| 06:21.45 | jrsims | wtf, why is my clock always wrong? |
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| 06:22.06 | cafuego | jcath: well, they're the ones ones who *can* help |
| 06:22.11 | Supaplex | jrsims: it's a compusilve liar. it needs medication and a shrink. ;) |
| 06:22.13 | Vasistha | jcath: well, it's too bad that the people who wrote the driver aren't helpful. People who write open-source drivers are sometimes more helpful, but can't really help you with your closed-source driver. |
| 06:22.15 | cafuego | jcath: Did the fee you paid them incldue support? |
| 06:22.26 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:22.26 | dpkg | i heard qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 06:22.45 | jrsims | Supaplex: I keep having to resync it with each boot. |
| 06:23.00 | cafuego | jrsims: busted bios battery? |
| 06:23.01 | Supaplex | jrsims: hwclock. use rdate on boot? |
| 06:23.02 | jcath | ah, I just a developer work in a pc company, I dont know if the component supplier have paid for the support |
| 06:23.28 | \amethyst | I can't reproduce the problem with 7.0-219 |
| 06:23.30 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 06:24.16 | jcath | ok. I'll try to install a new kernel from source and try that driver again |
| 06:24.25 | wam | Hi, can I have 8GB RAM in my amd/intel 64-bit server with 64bit-etch? |
| 06:24.39 | Vasistha | jrsims: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Clock.html |
| 06:26.11 | GhostlyDeath_ | Installing Debian on this OSles system with a MS-DOS startup disk is going to be hard |
| 06:26.15 | Vasistha | jrsims: if your computer is usually connected to the net on boot, I'd recommend ntpdate. If not, maybe try adjtimex ... but that howto is pretty informative, too |
| 06:26.39 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: only if this OSless system is unable to boot a CD-ROM, which is rather rare nowadays |
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| 06:26.58 | Supaplex | wam: sure, I don't see why not. can you add a few gig of ram to my box to? ;) |
| 06:27.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | peterS it's on my network though but DOS has no net support |
| 06:27.11 | GhostlyDeath_ | It read my HDD (using DOS's fdisk) |
| 06:27.17 | Supaplex | freedos+packet driver |
| 06:27.24 | wam | Supaplex: If it works, I'll consider it. |
| 06:27.32 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: I fail to see what any of that has to do with whether it can boot a CD-ROM |
| 06:27.44 | GhostlyDeath_ | peterS no ATAPI support |
| 06:27.59 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: so the answer is no, it can't boot a cdrom. Can it boot a floppy? |
| 06:28.05 | GhostlyDeath_ | yes |
| 06:28.10 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:28.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm booting from a DOS disk |
| 06:28.10 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 06:28.24 | peterS | why are you booting from a DOS disk? |
| 06:28.32 | peterS | why not boot from a Debian install disk? |
| 06:28.33 | Supaplex | hahaha streuner. nice one. |
| 06:28.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | the only disk I got? |
| 06:28.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm checking the PCs limits |
| 06:28.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | apparent it detects 2 paritions |
| 06:28.49 | Supaplex | fr0mat it. |
| 06:29.12 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 06:29.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | 1. A Non-DOS 2455MB (33% usage) and 2. Non-DOS 1376MB (100% usage) |
| 06:29.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | so that makes a parition limit of 3831MB |
| 06:29.53 | zu22 | streuner: rofl |
| 06:30.16 | GhostlyDeath_ | heh, parition 2's system says "7" |
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| 06:30.27 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: I just discovered recently that a base install only takes about 250 MB ;-) |
| 06:30.31 | GhostlyDeath_ | but the total disk space is 7545MB |
| 06:30.51 | GhostlyDeath_ | How can I base install with nothing in Debian onto a USB Mass Storage |
| 06:30.52 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: your MS-DOS adventure isn't all that interesting in #debian, actually. either install debian or don't install it |
| 06:31.17 | GhostlyDeath_ | If it can't boot linux, I'd have to figure out a boot linux from dos setup |
| 06:31.37 | peterS | why do you think it can't boot linux? |
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| 06:31.45 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: you can boot linux with a linux floppy. how many times do we have to tell you to put away the dos floppy and make a debian floppy? |
| 06:31.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | Compaq |
| 06:31.49 | m0rbid | Two questions actually, first, I am getting tons of local errors, and forgot how to fix 'em up. I am running Unstable, 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP, deb image. The second is java. How? |
| 06:32.02 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: one last time. why aren't you booting a debian install floppy yet? |
| 06:32.03 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: I need a floppy drive to make debian floppies |
| 06:32.06 | Vasistha | !tell m0rbid about install java |
| 06:32.13 | Supaplex | m0rbid: local errors? like what? |
| 06:32.21 | peterS | oh and you don't have any other floppy drives around? yet you have a local network? interesting |
| 06:32.26 | GhostlyDeath_ | yes lol |
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| 06:32.44 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath_: do you have a usb to hdd adapter? |
| 06:32.47 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: so when I asked "Can it boot a floppy" and you answered "yes" -- you were lying? |
| 06:32.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | No |
| 06:33.02 | GhostlyDeath_ | It can boot linux floppies |
| 06:33.09 | GhostlyDeath_ | but last time I tried it failed |
| 06:33.19 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath_: can you pull the drive, and install linux onto it from elsewhere? |
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| 06:33.30 | GhostlyDeath_ | Supaplex: Was thinking of doing that |
| 06:33.34 | cat | hey i cannot run aterm because is giving me this error Segmentation fault |
| 06:33.37 | cat | any ideas why? |
| 06:33.43 | GhostlyDeath_ | That's why I needed DOS to figure out the boot limitations |
| 06:33.43 | dalias | aterm sucks anyway |
| 06:33.46 | peterS | that or pull the _floppy_ drive and burn some floppies from a machine that actually works |
| 06:33.52 | streuner | cat: what does BTS say about? |
| 06:33.55 | Supaplex | !start a terminal war |
| 06:33.55 | dpkg | aterm bites the big one! |
| 06:33.59 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 06:34.03 | dalias | :)) |
| 06:34.03 | cat | streuner: it was working just now |
| 06:34.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | TTY4 FTW! |
| 06:34.12 | cat | but now is not working, |
| 06:34.19 | Supaplex | cat: run it in gdb, grab a backtrace. |
| 06:34.30 | Supaplex | in xterm or something else. :) |
| 06:34.35 | dalias | aterm, rxvt, Eterm, etc. are unmaintained and don't honor the system text encoding |
| 06:34.54 | cat | Supaplex: how do i run it in gdb? |
| 06:34.56 | dalias | so they'll display and enter non-ascii text (including filenames) wrong |
| 06:34.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | No wonder it says Non-DOS, the partitions are fat32.. |
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| 06:35.48 | Supaplex | cat: gdb aterm. type run at the prompt. when it crashes, type bt. send the backtrace in a bug report. (reportbug) |
| 06:36.06 | cat | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". |
| 06:36.16 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath_: freedos supports fat32 |
| 06:36.19 | cat | Starting program: /usr/bin/aterm |
| 06:36.19 | cat | (no debugging symbols found) |
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| 06:36.26 | cat | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 06:36.27 | cat | 0xb70fe45a in _nv000000gl () from /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 |
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| 06:36.38 | peterS | cat: you can stop pasting here any time |
| 06:36.49 | cat | indeed my bad |
| 06:36.49 | Vasistha | !tell cat -about paster |
| 06:37.19 | GreaseMonkey | !paste |
| 06:37.19 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 06:37.19 | Supaplex | cat: what's changed on your system in the last few days? any updated drivers/libraries/etc? |
| 06:37.26 | streuner | he even managed to fool debhelper, which wasn't that non clever ;-) |
| 06:37.36 | cat | Supaplex: yeah i think i did do not remember, |
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| 06:37.54 | GhostlyDeath_ | now for gparted... |
| 06:38.10 | cat | Supaplex: any ideas on what to do? |
| 06:38.12 | Vasistha | bonez39: well anyway, do you have an Xorg.0.log to paste so we can see your mouse error? |
| 06:38.21 | peterS | wtf is libnvidia? |
| 06:38.30 | GreaseMonkey | peterS: guess |
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| 06:38.55 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: it sounds like it might relate to a graphics driver, but why aterm would be messing directly with a graphics driver is a mystery |
| 06:38.57 | Supaplex | GreaseMonkey: magic. |
| 06:39.03 | GhostlyDeath_ | I need help setting this up though |
| 06:39.08 | cafuego | peterS: libnvidia-tls.so -> nvidia's patched tls library |
| 06:39.35 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: what do you need help with? In all likelihood, telling us the details of your dos partitions are not going to help us help you ;-) |
| 06:39.51 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: I gotta set it up! |
| 06:40.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | If the BIOS can only access up to 3GB, then should I make root /? |
| 06:40.17 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: please stop talking until you actually have a question we might be able to answer. and no, "I need some help" is not a question we can answer. |
| 06:40.20 | cat | darn it |
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| 06:40.35 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: the bios boot limit will either be 528 MB or 8 GB, I don't think any of them have a limit in between |
| 06:41.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | 7.91150592GiB |
| 06:41.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | so it's 8.. |
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| 06:42.05 | GhostlyDeath_ | 7GB enough for root heh? |
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| 06:43.12 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath_: this laptop is just getting by with .5 gb (barely). 2+ gb should be eaiser :P |
| 06:43.22 | ff||halted | ehlo |
| 06:43.28 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath_: if you have have a bios that broken, why not make a /boot |
| 06:43.29 | Supaplex | !hi ff||halted |
| 06:43.52 | m0rbid | ok so I need a contrib source.. |
| 06:43.55 | m0rbid | hrmmm |
| 06:43.57 | peterS | 401 Syntax: EHLO hostname |
| 06:43.57 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath_, is your boot partition beyond the 1024 limit and dd you recently upgraded your kernel? |
| 06:44.01 | Vasistha | Supaplex: heh, I don't think he's referring to ram ... (I'll look rather foolish if you're not, either) |
| 06:44.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | dutchfish: installing Linux on an old pc |
| 06:44.25 | Supaplex | Vasistha: it's a p166. 32mb ram. |
| 06:44.52 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath_: bah, just use floppylinux. ;) |
| 06:44.55 | Vasistha | Supaplex: indeed, someone around here is actually using something slower than mine! I have 333 MHz and 192 MB |
| 06:45.19 | GreaseMonkey | my pc used to be 128MB RAM |
| 06:45.35 | GreaseMonkey | now it's 384MB of RAM, and, for that matter, *nice* |
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| 06:45.47 | GreaseMonkey | more RAM == more |
| 06:45.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | This pc is like a........... 16MB RAM |
| 06:46.10 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: I don't know if etch will work with only 16 MB |
| 06:46.17 | buu | Supaplex: Pussy |
| 06:46.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | base system |
| 06:46.21 | peterS | guys, guys. the penis^H^H^H^H^HRAM size wars are surely supposed to be in some other channel |
| 06:46.22 | dutchfish | Vasistha, GhostlyDeath_ no |
| 06:46.28 | Supaplex | Vasistha: it will if he uses swapd :) |
| 06:46.30 | buu | peterS: But I just got here! |
| 06:46.30 | GhostlyDeath_ | no X, nothing |
| 06:46.43 | peterS | Bou. |
| 06:46.47 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath_: hint, widdle down inittab. |
| 06:46.50 | buu | pleter! |
| 06:46.51 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: you might consider installing, e.g., potato on that thing. What are you using this box for? |
| 06:46.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | Server |
| 06:46.57 | ff||halted | i install debian sarge on my second ps p166 32 |
| 06:47.00 | ff||halted | pc |
| 06:47.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | It's like 100Mhz lol |
| 06:47.07 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: or, e.g., another lightweight distro |
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| 06:47.15 | Supaplex | buu: how goes? :) anyone hang buubot recently? |
| 06:47.21 | GhostlyDeath_ | the Debian base system too much for it? |
| 06:47.44 | dutchfish | Sarge is already satisfied with 32mb |
| 06:47.45 | buu | Supaplex: Hell no. I just wanted to make fun of your puny disk =] |
| 06:47.59 | Supaplex | buu: hehe. |
| 06:48.05 | peterS | ff||halted, jelly-home, Supaplex, GreaseMonkey, Vasistha. guys. when one person mentions something about system specs, it is _not_ interesting for everyone else to chime in on exactly what their systems are. I mean really, do you suppose we all care? |
| 06:48.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | I don't have a floppy drive on this pc |
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| 06:48.17 | GreaseMonkey | ok |
| 06:48.39 | Supaplex | my bad. I think I'm mixing up GreaseMonkey and GhostlyDeath_. |
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| 06:49.06 | dutchfish | !slap Supaplex |
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| 06:49.27 | Supaplex | won't help. gray matter left for home hours ago. |
| 06:49.30 | GreaseMonkey | Supaplex: just remember that "GreaseMonkey" is the one that kicks ass. |
| 06:49.42 | peterS | it might be _marginally_ interesting to post your specs if you truly believe you're running the fastest or the slowest etch system around. but chances are, none of you are doing that. the specs I saw were all pretty middle of the road. |
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| 06:49.50 | GhostlyDeath_ | could be a Compaq Deskpro 2000 |
| 06:49.52 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath_: the current stable might even work, but the kernel itself will take a third of your RAM and installation at 16MB is going to be really slow. I'd put the disk into another machine with more RAM and install (whatever you're going to install) there |
| 06:49.55 | Supaplex | GreaseMonkey: I know i kick ass. no need to remind me. =:-D |
| 06:50.19 | GreaseMonkey | i meant out of the two |
| 06:50.22 | xyz123 | hi i recently changed from sarge to sid and im wondering what happend with /dev/dsp - whats the new name and also is it sufficent to make a symlink instead of a hard link from the new to the old name? |
| 06:50.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | jelly that is what I'm doing |
| 06:50.38 | GhostlyDeath_ | But how do I install the base system (with networking and farther HDD support) onto a USB drive? |
| 06:50.45 | peterS | xyz123: if you need /dev/dsp, run 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' |
| 06:50.54 | Supaplex | xyz123: leap from old-stable to unstable in one hop? |
| 06:51.04 | xyz123 | yep |
| 06:51.06 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath_, separate driver disk |
| 06:51.09 | Supaplex | nutz. |
| 06:51.10 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: you might want to check this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en |
| 06:51.14 | zu22 | peterS: yeah get debian running on an 8088 or Cray then boast heh |
| 06:51.15 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath_: eh, just like any other drive (once it's recognized as /dev/sdX) |
| 06:51.27 | Supaplex | send me a cray first. |
| 06:51.35 | Supaplex | and pay the power bill for the next year. |
| 06:51.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | it's on /dev/sdb |
| 06:52.07 | xyz123 | I used sid for about 1,5 years but i grew tired of all the bugs so i changed to sarge for another 2 years and now im back ... |
| 06:52.14 | Vasistha | hmm, actually, that may not be the best resource :P |
| 06:52.15 | peterS | zu22: totally. if your system specs include the word "pentium" you aren't running the slowest thing around, by a long shop |
| 06:52.18 | peterS | shot |
| 06:52.27 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath_: you'll probably have to edit /etc/fstab and grub configuration before putting it back into the real machine |
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| 06:52.35 | xyz123 | peterS, thanks |
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| 06:52.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | jelly-home: this drive isn't in fstab |
| 06:53.05 | buu | desk =[ |
| 06:53.06 | Supaplex | I should sell off the 32mb simms. |
| 06:53.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | think I could extract the net install ISO onto the disk? |
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| 06:53.41 | Supaplex | buu: what can I say. I'm a hardware packrat. |
| 06:53.44 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath_: eh? do a fresh installation onto /dev/sdb. |
| 06:53.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | jelly-home too risky |
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| 06:54.25 | scx | buon giorno |
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| 06:54.43 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath_: I don't see why would it be. You can use debootstrap method if the machine you're using is already a live linux system. |
| 06:54.51 | Supaplex | hummm I wonder if a 1gb CF card work run in this laptop. too bad I don't have the adapter for it. (to 2.5in interconnect) |
| 06:54.57 | peterS | scx: giorno. si parla inglese qui. c'è anche #debian-it. (: |
| 06:55.35 | scx | peterS: I always greet in diferent langs |
| 06:55.38 | jelly-home | petemc: wow, you even have correct accents. ;-) |
| 06:55.40 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 06:55.52 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah, "c'e" just looks funny |
| 06:56.03 | litage | if ``grep APPLETOUCH /usr/src/linux/.config'' returns "CONFIG_USB_APPLETOUCH=y", why would lsmod list appletouch? |
| 06:56.28 | GreaseMonkey | wakarunai? |
| 06:56.55 | peterS | litage: check /boot/config-$(uname -r), that's the correct config file on a Debian-built kernel |
| 06:57.17 | simonrvn | maybe it can only be built as a mod? |
| 06:57.24 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 06:57.33 | simonrvn | same kernel? |
| 06:57.36 | peterS | simonrvn: no, the symbol gets 'm' if it's a module, which it is on debian kernels |
| 06:57.38 | Supaplex | can I install one dummy package to satisfy deps I know I'm never using? eg, there's a mouthfull of xserver-xorg-video-* packages I don't want. |
| 06:57.43 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 06:58.07 | peterS | Supaplex: this is the purpose of the equivs package |
| 06:58.20 | Supaplex | oh yeah. |
| 06:58.27 | peterS | Supaplex: anyway, xserver-xorg-video-* are not needed, you can remove xserver-xorg-video-all and just keep the one driver you use |
| 06:58.29 | dutchfish | are then any problems to upgrade a test grpah work station from etch to lenny atm? |
| 06:58.30 | streuner | !simonrvn++ |
| 06:58.57 | simonrvn | streuner: thanks. but why? :) |
| 06:58.58 | Supaplex | peterS: I installed xserver-xorg-video-chips alone, and it's trying to use -all to. :-/ |
| 06:59.01 | peterS | Supaplex: the _default_ pulls in -video-all but you can select -video-i810 or whatever and deselect -video-all |
| 06:59.30 | litage | peterS: ``grep APPLETOUCH /boot/config-$(uname -r)'' returns "CONFIG_USB_APPLETOUCH=y" |
| 06:59.34 | peterS | Supaplex: the dependencies should allow you to remove -video-all if you have at least one -video-foo installed |
| 06:59.48 | simonrvn | peterS: *ding* |
| 06:59.52 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 06:59.55 | Supaplex | all I ran was apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-chips |
| 07:00.06 | peterS | litage: well - on my system it says CONFIG_USB_APPLETOUCH=m so I wonder what kernel you're using. what does uname -r say anyway? |
| 07:00.10 | Supaplex | I said No to the 40 some odd packages it thinks I want. |
| 07:00.27 | Vasistha | Supaplex: you might consider transitioning yourself over to aptitude. The front-end really is quite nice |
| 07:00.34 | simonrvn | -my-custom-kernel =) |
| 07:00.48 | litage | peterS: i compiled it myself: 2.6.18.7-wombat |
| 07:01.03 | simonrvn | simonrvn: *ding* |
| 07:01.04 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.21 | Supaplex | my bad. I'm using aptitude. *blame gray matter again* |
| 07:01.31 | Supaplex | I use cli anyway. |
| 07:02.08 | peterS | litage: so uh, something doesn't match. if you have a /lib/modules/2.6.18-7-wombat/kernel/drivers/usb/input/appletouch.ko yet /boot/config-2.6.18.7-wombat says CONFIG_USB_APPLETOUCH=y then something doesn't match |
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| 07:02.15 | Vasistha | Supaplex: well, if you go into the front-end then it'll probably be easier to futz around with the different selections |
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| 07:03.06 | litage | peterS: that's what i'm trying to figure out... :) |
| 07:03.06 | peterS | Supaplex: it's true - overriding the defaults in terms of packages to install or remove is a lot easier within the full-screen aptitude interface than from the command line. it's a bit of a learning curve but well worth it if you plan to use debian for awhile |
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| 07:03.28 | Greek-Boy | base-config no longer available? |
| 07:03.36 | simonrvn | nope |
| 07:03.48 | litage | peterS: in a previous compile of this kernel, i had CONFIG_USB_APPLETOUCH=m , and later on switched it to =y |
| 07:04.18 | Greek-Boy | how would I configure my apt-get sources now? I can't find a list of official mirrors |
| 07:04.22 | Supaplex | I'm so use to the cli. :P yeah I guess this calls for something else. |
| 07:04.51 | simonrvn | Supaplex: it's not like it was gtk2 based ;p |
| 07:05.06 | peterS | litage: if you didn't delete /lib/modules/2.6.18.7-wombat before doing the 'make modules_install', then the old module will still be present, yes |
| 07:05.09 | Vasistha | Supaplex: well, I use the CLI quite a bit, too, but when I need to search for something, or resolve conflicts, the front-end is really quite nice |
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| 07:05.32 | Vasistha | !tell Greek-Boy -about mirrors |
| 07:05.34 | simonrvn | i use the ncurses almost exclusively |
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| 07:05.44 | litage | peterS: ah. so before recompiling a kernel, one should run ``rm -rf /lib/modules/VERSION/''? |
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| 07:05.53 | simonrvn | i could find my way around blindfolded |
| 07:05.58 | peterS | litage: if you aren't planning to change the version, right |
| 07:06.00 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 07:06.11 | litage | thanks peterS |
| 07:06.12 | simonrvn | (well, common tasks =) |
| 07:07.00 | litage | peterS: however, i was under the impression that if something's compiled into the kernel, trying to load the modularised version of it will fail |
| 07:07.06 | peterS | Vasistha: I'd use the command-line invocation of aptitude, except that since I have a root-owned 'screen' window running full-screen aptitude almost all the time, the CLI process would just fail to acquire the necessary lock |
| 07:07.38 | m0rbid | how do I fix all these local errors when apt is installing a package? |
| 07:07.44 | m0rbid | locale rather.. |
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| 07:07.52 | peterS | litage: not necessarily, it won't necessarily detect the situation. in fact I believe it's possible to load the same module twice, if you have two copies with different names |
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| 07:08.02 | litage | ew |
| 07:08.04 | simonrvn | m0rbid: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:08.09 | m0rbid | ty |
| 07:08.28 | simonrvn | pick one or more, and it should stop |
| 07:08.56 | m0rbid | locales: Depends: glibc-2.5-1 but it is not installable |
| 07:09.01 | m0rbid | o.O |
| 07:09.13 | peterS | m0rbid: that's only an issue on unstable |
| 07:09.20 | m0rbid | indeed. |
| 07:09.23 | m0rbid | =/ |
| 07:09.32 | peterS | m0rbid: it will be resolved when your architecture manages to build libc6 2.5-2, which it hasn't yet for some architectures such as i386 |
| 07:10.07 | Lord_Devi | what does the contents of /etc/debian_version look like on etch? anyone? |
| 07:10.08 | m0rbid | erk |
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| 07:10.24 | Vasistha | 4.0 |
| 07:10.34 | Vasistha | Lord_Devi: ^^^ |
| 07:10.53 | Lord_Devi | Vasistha: not "etch4.0" or something? it doesn't say etch anywhere in that file? |
| 07:10.59 | peterS | m0rbid: correction, the i386 build daemon has built glibc 2.5-2, but it hasn't been uploaded to the debian archive yet. (info from http://buildd.debian.org/build.cgi?pkg=glibc) |
| 07:11.15 | litage | peterS: when compiling a kernel with make-kpkg, if i want to have multiple threads running concurrently, should i use ``export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2'' or use "-j 2"? |
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| 07:11.39 | m0rbid | ty peterS, so it should be resolved soon? |
| 07:11.41 | peterS | litage: I forget the correct invocation, but I don't think -j2 works |
| 07:11.44 | peterS | m0rbid: yes |
| 07:11.50 | m0rbid | thanks. |
| 07:11.53 | peterS | m0rbid: meanwhile just keep your old version of locales, it should still work fine |
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| 07:12.14 | m0rbid | ok. Now on to bigger things. Getting java to work. |
| 07:12.14 | Vasistha | Lord_Devi: well, mine doesn't. /etc/issue doesn't say 'etch' either. keep in mind that "etch" is a *code-name* ... which is replaced by a *version number* when it becomes stable (or close to stable) |
| 07:12.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | Can I build a base system manually by copying and extracting all the needed files? |
| 07:12.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | basically a manual debian installation |
| 07:12.50 | dutchfish | !debootstrap |
| 07:12.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 07:12.52 | peterS | GhostlyDeath_: yes, but it's easier to automate this using 'debootstrap' |
| 07:12.53 | Lord_Devi | Vasistha: Alright, so just "4.0" and that's it then, lol ok. Thanks alot Vas |
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| 07:13.02 | Vasistha | Lord_Devi: np |
| 07:13.28 | Lord_Devi | Vasistha: Awesome worked like a charm for what i wanted... |
| 07:13.31 | GhostlyDeath_ | now to figure out debootstrap |
| 07:13.47 | zu22 | my /etc/debian_version used to say "4.0" but after recent upgrade (testing) it now says "lenny/sid" heh |
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| 07:14.29 | Lord_Devi | zu22: YEah that's what happened to me. I didn't even know i had testing in my damned sources.list =/ Now my server is running lenny on me.. which I did NOT want. |
| 07:15.20 | zu22 | Lord_Devi: in my case i've always run testing, just amused it switched from numeric to alphabetic format |
| 07:15.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | what suite? |
| 07:15.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | testing? |
| 07:15.37 | bonez39 | Vasistha, yeah, was 'scott' earlier... |
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| 07:15.54 | Vasistha | Lord_Devi: you're not the first person to come in here making such a complaint... fortunately, not that many packages have changed yet, so rolling back might not be too difficult |
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| 07:16.02 | perlmonke1 | mornin guys |
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| 07:16.10 | perlmonke1 | has mythtv been dropped from deb? |
| 07:16.18 | Lord_Devi | Vasistha: Yeah I think I've managed to roll back fairly effectively already |
| 07:16.30 | streuner | mythtv isn't in Debian |
| 07:16.34 | Lord_Devi | A few lenny tweaks to my etc file is all that remains i think.. |
| 07:16.46 | cydork | perlmonke1: you can get it from debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:16.47 | perlmonke1 | oh |
| 07:16.59 | perlmonke1 | thanks, i forgot about that heh |
| 07:17.17 | zu22 | dutchfish: i keep my sources.list as "testing" always, so i don't have to rename every time a new debian is released |
| 07:17.30 | zu22 | dutchfish: i like to always run testing release |
| 07:17.57 | tarzeau | zu22: i keep mine with sid, according to telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 07:18.41 | dutchfish | zu22, fair enough, but i dont want to make mistakes thats hard to rollback ;) |
| 07:19.00 | zu22 | tarzeau: cool how did you set that up? :) nifty idea |
| 07:19.20 | zu22 | dutchfish: ah ya |
| 07:19.34 | tarzeau | zu22: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/cowd/ |
| 07:19.48 | zu22 | tarzeau: merci |
| 07:21.05 | zu22 | any performance difference in using ftp vs http for updates? |
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| 07:21.17 | tarzeau | zu22: not really, no |
| 07:21.21 | zu22 | k |
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| 07:21.27 | tarzeau | peterS: hm :) |
| 07:21.45 | peterS | tarzeau: maybe I just said that because "mine.nu" reminded me of it |
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| 07:23.43 | Vasistha | zu22: if you read much about ftp you might decide you don't really want to use it on principle: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 07:24.20 | simonrvn | generally a PITA |
| 07:24.29 | walson | from a running system, how do i install grub to another drive which is in the same box ? |
| 07:24.33 | dutchfish | tarzeau, why you like sid so much, is it because of its easier for a graphical desktop related to hardware? |
| 07:25.03 | cydork | dutchfish: no he just likes to live on the edge.. :) |
| 07:25.04 | tarzeau | dutchfish: because i can get the most and latest software to waste time with |
| 07:25.20 | Vasistha | walson: man grub-install |
| 07:25.27 | zu22 | Vasistha: interesting |
| 07:25.43 | walson | i have tried 'grub-install /dev/sda', but it is not done. |
| 07:25.47 | dutchfish | tarzeau, but thats also true of testing without less risk |
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| 07:26.05 | tarzeau | dutchfish: no, some software get much later into testing |
| 07:26.11 | dutchfish | tarzeau, agreed |
| 07:26.24 | tarzeau | dutchfish: and usually stuff is udpated in sid before in testing |
| 07:26.37 | dutchfish | tarzeau, does it break often? |
| 07:26.40 | walson | Vasistha, i have gone thro' the manual, search the web. i followed them, but the installation is not successful. |
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| 07:27.02 | tarzeau | dutchfish: depends how often you upgrade :) - very seldom to me, if you watch #debian topic |
| 07:27.14 | tarzeau | dutchfish: very much depends also on the software you have installed and use.. |
| 07:27.43 | dutchfish | tarzeau, so you tell me you run update only when at #debian topic there are no big problems.... mmm |
| 07:27.57 | tarzeau | dutchfish: no, when i feel like it, but not daily |
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| 07:28.04 | Vasistha | walson: perhaps you can give more details regarding how it was not successful. Did you get an error message? When? What did it say? |
| 07:28.05 | perlmonke1 | sheesh this is weird, I've added debian-multimedia to my source.list and updated and its saying mythtv-frontend is not found |
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| 07:28.21 | dutchfish | tarzeau, i mostly into xen destop would that be fair to use sid for? |
| 07:28.24 | tarzeau | dutchfish: i upgrade software that i know i want in the newer version (it fixes some problem, it has some feature) |
| 07:28.31 | tarzeau | dutchfish: i have no idea about xen |
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| 07:29.01 | perlmonke1 | E: Couldn't find package mythtv-frontend |
| 07:29.11 | litage | if i recompile my kernel, do i also need to recompile things like ndiswrapper and fglrx with ``m-a a-i ndiswrapper'', or will those not need recompiling since i'm using the same kernel version? |
| 07:29.16 | walson | Vasistha, no error msg. but when i check /boot/grub in the target drive, nothing news written there. |
| 07:29.23 | dutchfish | tarzeau, thx for you advies |
| 07:29.27 | walson | new |
| 07:29.28 | Lord_Devi | Here is a question I've been curious about for some time.. If I buy a domain, can I host it myself with bind - or MUST I pay someone else with an authorative nameserver? |
| 07:29.42 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, you can |
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| 07:29.48 | perlmonke1 | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 <-- could this be reason? |
| 07:30.11 | \amethyst | more than three? |
| 07:30.11 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, but.... you need uath for the dnsserver from your registrar |
| 07:30.12 | tarzeau | Lord_Devi: you can even have free domains, see www.mine.nu |
| 07:30.13 | Vasistha | walson: hum, that certainly isn't very encouraging. Are you certain it's mounted properly and all? |
| 07:30.16 | perlmonke1 | that shouldnt prevent a package being downloaded eh |
| 07:30.20 | litage | Lord_Devi: you can run your own authoritative NS. someone else has to provide the "glue" though that maps your ns1.yourdomain.com (or whatever you want) to the correct ip address |
| 07:30.25 | Lord_Devi | dutchfish: I thought I should be able to, but i've suspected without confirming over time that you might need to become an authoritive or something.. Oh uath huh? |
| 07:30.31 | tarzeau | Lord_Devi: and check http://freedns.afraid.org/?no_webforward_found_for_www.afraid.org |
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| 07:30.53 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, thats only true for regional domain tld's |
| 07:30.54 | walson | Vasistha, no complain when i mounted the target drive. |
| 07:31.00 | dutchfish | Vasistha, and even not all |
| 07:31.04 | Lord_Devi | tarzeau: I'll read that, thanks |
| 07:31.18 | Vasistha | perlmonke1: yeah, you need to import the debian-multimedia key. aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 07:31.21 | dutchfish | Vasistha, org net com you can register at bul registars to fit your own needs |
| 07:31.23 | perlmonke1 | I was running etch before as testing, and now etch has gone stable do I need to edit my sources.list as it still contains "testing"? |
| 07:31.38 | perlmonke1 | Vasistha: ahh thanks, I thought I was going mad then |
| 07:31.53 | Lord_Devi | dutchfish: So whomever I buy a domain from with give me a uath to go with it, which let's other servers know it's valid or something? |
| 07:32.12 | litage | perlmonke1: if you keep "testing" in sources.list, the next time you run "apt-get dist-upgrade'', you'll upgrade to lenny. if you want to stay with etch, replace "testing" with "stable" or "etch" |
| 07:32.12 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, nop |
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| 07:32.47 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, you registrar will punch in your DNS server so your dns server is authoritive for your domain |
| 07:32.55 | perlmonke1 | litage: ok thanks, it wont break nothing as I have installed packages as "testing" when I havent dist-upgrade? |
| 07:33.13 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, within your own dns you can do what you like (according to the RFC's) |
| 07:33.21 | Lord_Devi | dutchfish: Ooh I see!.. |
| 07:33.22 | litage | perlmonke1: did you run ``apt-get update'' before installing those packages? |
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| 07:33.28 | perlmonke1 | yes |
| 07:34.07 | perlmonke1 | I think it's a bad idea having testing/stable etc in source.list eh |
| 07:34.16 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, but be aware of the costs, some domains are much more expensive to register |
| 07:34.17 | Lord_Devi | dutchfish: Thank you for the help =) Although.. if you know of any helpful reading material on the net I'd be happy to read it over as well. |
| 07:34.27 | litage | perlmonke1: then those packages would have been installed from testing, which is now lenny |
| 07:34.32 | perlmonke1 | better to use proper release names so the downloads follow properly |
| 07:34.34 | perlmonke1 | sheesh |
| 07:34.40 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, google on RFC +DNS |
| 07:34.40 | litage | perlmonke1: imho, yes |
| 07:34.41 | Lord_Devi | dutchfish: Oh yeah? I'll be careful then.. thanks for the warning |
| 07:34.42 | perlmonke1 | litage: im fuked? |
| 07:35.16 | litage | perlmonke1: not at all. you can either remove the lenny packages, update sources.list, and then re-install the packages, or you can update sources.list and then downgrade the packages |
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| 07:35.19 | Lord_Devi | dutchfish: well thanks again =) |
| 07:35.20 | dutchfish | Lord_Devi, org par example is something to $3 - 4 per domain or so |
| 07:35.25 | perlmonke1 | ok |
| 07:35.44 | litage | perlmonke1: though that does depend on which packages we're talking about. i don't recommend trying either of those with something like libc6 =P |
| 07:35.59 | perlmonke1 | phew I may have been lucky |
| 07:36.06 | Vasistha | :D |
| 07:36.27 | perlmonke1 | too easy to break tho eh, why doesnt deb force proper names in sources.list |
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| 07:37.22 | zenbum | unix philosophy = assume user knows what he's doing |
| 07:38.20 | dutchfish | Vasistha, sorry for the mixup !slap /me, what about for |
| 07:38.46 | Vasistha | dutchfish: oh, I just noticed you used french "par" instead of "for" -- no big deal ;-) |
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| 07:38.59 | dutchfish | Vasistha, ah qui, merci |
| 07:39.07 | Vasistha | dutchfish: pas du tout |
| 07:39.12 | perlmonke1 | haha |
| 07:39.17 | Vasistha | dutchfish: or do you say, de rien |
| 07:39.47 | perlmonke1 | pour quoi? |
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| 07:39.55 | dutchfish | Vasistha, i am actually not that great with languages i mix up english, dutch, french and german sometimes |
| 07:40.39 | perlmonke1 | dutchfish: hows your perl? |
| 07:40.58 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, rusty since i mainly code in C and Ruby |
| 07:41.19 | m0rbid | is there a way to get fbsetbg to remember the background? |
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| 07:42.04 | perlmonke1 | is iceweasel ok? |
| 07:42.15 | dutchfish | !iceweasel |
| 07:42.15 | dpkg | iceweasel is, like, the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 07:42.33 | perlmonke1 | ooo |
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| 07:43.05 | perlmonke1 | I wondered why it had the FF logo on it heh |
| 07:43.18 | DavidProck1981 | can someone tell me how to mount a ntfs drive, i remember part of it, something like, mount -t ntfs gid=1000 uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mountpath |
| 07:43.40 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: if you want to do the gid, uid stuff, it needs to go after -o |
| 07:43.53 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: (and it should be comma-separated) |
| 07:44.09 | DavidProck1981 | can u give an ex |
| 07:44.33 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: ... -t ntfs -o gid=xx,uid=yy /dev...... |
| 07:44.41 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, dont forget ro |
| 07:44.52 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: ... -t ntfs -o ro,gid=xx,uid=yy /dev...... |
| 07:44.56 | DavidProck1981 | oh , where does the ro fit in |
| 07:45.00 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 07:45.06 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, at the end? |
| 07:45.50 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: if you want to just allow anyone at all to read it, you can drop the uid and gid and just put 'users' |
| 07:46.30 | dutchfish | Vasistha, DavidProck1981 and group |
| 07:46.39 | perlmonke1 | any of you guys use OpenVPN? did you find it ok to setup? |
| 07:46.51 | Vasistha | !anyone use OpenVPN |
| 07:46.52 | dpkg | No, no one uses OpenVPN, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:47.19 | blackhat | does etch include the ntfs fuse driver? (read write access) |
| 07:47.20 | perlmonke1 | I need to install OpenVPN to secure my wifi |
| 07:47.45 | perlmonke1 | my connection is wide open now and the cops have told me to secure it :-/ |
| 07:48.07 | Gnea | perlmonke1: lol |
| 07:48.09 | nivanson | !tell blackhat about fuse |
| 07:48.11 | perlmonke1 | heh |
| 07:48.13 | dutchfish | blackhat, i also want to know, i believe it didnt make it into the freeze |
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| 07:48.47 | Gnea | perlmonke1: now, what were the cops doing telling you to do so? |
| 07:48.50 | perlmonke1 | Gnea: seriously the cops gave a warning |
| 07:48.56 | Gnea | perlmonke1: for what? |
| 07:49.44 | zenbum | UK has wifi cops? |
| 07:50.01 | perlmonke1 | Gnea: people running insecure wifi in the town, because they prosecuted someone last week for unauthorised access to someones wifi network, first prosecution in my town under the Computer Misuse Act |
| 07:50.09 | Gnea | blackhat: well, i see it in sid... not sure if it made it into etch or not.. it's probably easy to check if you search for it at www.debian.org |
| 07:50.22 | Gnea | perlmonke1: whoa... url? |
| 07:50.31 | perlmonke1 | hehe i will try to find it |
| 07:50.35 | DavidProck1981 | so is this the command, mount -t ntfs -o ro,gid=1000,uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mountpath |
| 07:50.37 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:51.13 | perlmonke1 | Gnea: it was a woman she was only sitting in her car in town and just opened her laptop innocently to pass time and got locked onto an open nearby and started surfing |
| 07:51.22 | Insolit | anyone knows where does debian look to load the glx extension in xorg? |
| 07:51.28 | perlmonke1 | that guy spotted her from his window and called cops and they arrested her mins later |
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| 07:51.56 | zenbum | perlmonke1: connecting to an open wifi is illegal? |
| 07:52.00 | perlmonke1 | she was charged and bailed to appear in court, I thought that was quite harsh eh :-/ |
| 07:52.02 | perlmonke1 | seems so |
| 07:52.25 | Gnea | perlmonke1: that's some funny shit. so their knee-jerk reaction was to tell people to hack their shit instead of going to the wifi hardware manufacturers and telling them to make a more secure product? |
| 07:52.37 | zenbum | perlmonke1: was there a notice saying, "please don't connect to my wifi even though I'm too stupid to use wep or wpa"? |
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| 07:52.47 | perlmonke1 | yeah the cops warned everyone to get security in place |
| 07:52.54 | perlmonke1 | haha |
| 07:53.26 | Gnea | and how are they gonna know if it's secure or not? :) |
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| 07:53.55 | zenbum | that's like installing a drinking fountain on the sidewalk in front of your house & then busting people when they take sips from it |
| 07:54.02 | Gnea | perlmonke1: c'mon man, you can do better than that - where's the online story for this? |
| 07:54.20 | tolonuga | does anyone know if the sarge debootstrap package can be used to setup an etch environment? |
| 07:54.36 | Gnea | tolonuga: i wouldn't bet on it |
| 07:55.04 | dutchfish | tolonuga, if you config sources.list right why not? |
| 07:55.05 | perlmonke1 | Gnea: oh she was only cautioned no court, but she got arrested |
| 07:55.11 | perlmonke1 | http://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1305481.0.warning_on_broadband_tapping.php?s=s |
| 07:55.34 | dutchfish | tolonuga, but use chrooted |
| 07:55.39 | tolonuga | dutchfish: well, the scripts in /usr/lib/debootstrap/ might be out of date. will try ... |
| 07:56.41 | tolonuga | thanks everyone |
| 07:57.17 | blackhat | dutchfish the ntfs-3g driver is in testing and unstable but didn't made it to etch as you said |
| 07:57.38 | dutchfish | blackhat, thx for info! |
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| 07:58.21 | perlmonke1 | Gnea: do you think it was that guys own fault for having an open network? she should not have been cautioned? |
| 07:59.14 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, this was surely an official act of stupidity, my bet |
| 07:59.24 | perlmonke1 | hehe |
| 07:59.45 | Gnea | perlmonke1: yeah, i say he's gonna get owned. :) |
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| 07:59.51 | perlmonke1 | if you open your laptop in a public place and you got internet and you surf the web how is that misuse or a crime eh |
| 07:59.57 | perlmonke1 | hehe |
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| 08:02.00 | Gnea | perlmonke1: only if you're caught. ;) |
| 08:02.06 | perlmonke1 | :D |
| 08:02.08 | Gnea | also depends on the sort of wifi connection you have |
| 08:02.36 | perlmonke1 | I need VPN because my connection is open cuz I can't use WPA :-/ |
| 08:02.37 | Gnea | if it's a broadband card that lets you dial in and connect from anywhere, then you don't NEED to piggyback someone's wifi network |
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| 08:02.51 | Gnea | so blacklist mac addresses |
| 08:03.10 | _rouemirc_ | So if I configure proftpd to use mod_tls, then all traffic including athentication and control/data streams will be SSL encrypted 100% as long as the client supports FTPS? |
| 08:03.12 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, if you are the admin, go by contrack, netfiler & friends as i did |
| 08:03.13 | Gnea | deny all and allow only yours to connect |
| 08:03.20 | perlmonke1 | is that a good way? someone told me mac addr can be spoofed as they easy to obtain if your data is not encrypted |
| 08:03.21 | litage | i'm recompiling my kernel with make-kpkg and fakeroot, and this message about compiling fglrx has appeared: http://rafb.net/p/RbDrFz29.html does it matter? should i be compiling as root and without fakeroot? should i recompile fglrx manually afterwards with ``m-a a-i''? |
| 08:03.53 | dutchfish | perlmonkey, oops typos: conntrack, netfilter* |
| 08:04.02 | Gnea | perlmonke1: ok then yeah, so have you tried #openvpn? |
| 08:04.17 | perlmonke1 | everyone i mention VPN and secure tunnelling people change subject or offer alternatives heh |
| 08:04.26 | perlmonke1 | this makes me think its hard to setup/explain? |
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| 08:04.40 | Gnea | no, it's called: i want to make sure that you know what you're talking about. :) |
| 08:04.48 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, its because of openswan, its ... how to put this ... outdated more or less |
| 08:05.10 | Gnea | dutchfish: what does openswan have to do with this? |
| 08:05.14 | perlmonke1 | well I've done some reading up on it at weekend and I think I understand the basics, but deciding on suitable setup is somewhat confusing |
| 08:05.20 | zenbum | litage: what was your command line? |
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| 08:05.59 | Gnea | perlmonke1: have you ever setup openvpn before? |
| 08:06.02 | perlmonke1 | never |
| 08:06.09 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:06.14 | perlmonke1 | have you? |
| 08:06.15 | litage | zenbum: make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
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| 08:06.20 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, if you gone use openVPN you will come to IPsec wich of coarse is openswan |
| 08:06.22 | Gnea | i can do it in my sleep :) |
| 08:06.28 | litage | zenbum: run from /usr/src/linux/ |
| 08:06.31 | perlmonke1 | oh so it's not a big deal then |
| 08:06.46 | perlmonke1 | I wont use IPsec |
| 08:06.51 | Gnea | as long as you understand how it works, it's all good |
| 08:06.55 | Gnea | yeah, ipsec is lame |
| 08:06.56 | perlmonke1 | ok |
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| 08:07.44 | artagnon | How do I add some eyecandy to debian's startup process? Obviously I need to embed whatever I want into the ramdisk (initrd). I just need to be pointed to the right place to find what I want |
| 08:08.08 | zenbum | litage: latest version of make-kpkg doesn't require "modules_image".... you might try it without that target |
| 08:08.20 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, read all about conntrack and how it could fill your needs that 1 that will gone stay in the newer sec breads |
| 08:08.45 | litage | zenbum: "latest" being in sid? |
| 08:09.16 | wols | artagnon: splashy |
| 08:09.25 | zenbum | litage: I think the version in etch is that way too |
| 08:09.26 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, in my opinion vpn is not gone last, app filtering will |
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| 08:10.24 | litage | zenbum: thanks. i'm running Etch and have kernel-package 10.067 installed |
| 08:10.47 | artagnon | wols: Thank you. That one word was sufficient |
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| 08:10.53 | zenbum | litage: yes I'm pretty sure that's true for 10.067 |
| 08:11.41 | litage | thanks zenbum, i'll try that |
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| 08:12.10 | litage | zenbum: ah, i also just noticed that /usr/src/modules/ and its contents are owned by root:src . should i run ``chmod -R nick:src /usr/src/modules/'' ? |
| 08:12.49 | Insolit | it's strange but installing NVIDIA drivers, somehow changes libgl or mesa files |
| 08:13.05 | zenbum | litage: you shouldn't be building directly from /usr/src/linux... copy stuff to your home dir or somewhere else |
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| 08:14.18 | webmind | good morning/afternoon/night |
| 08:14.31 | bzed | zenbum: err, /usr/src is the more or less official place to build kernels. that's why there's a src group |
| 08:14.47 | litage | zenbum: my /usr/src/linux/ is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.18.7/ . why should i not build from /usr/src/linux/ ? |
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| 08:15.30 | zenbum | litage,bzed: it's safer to use a separate copy.... but if you like playing with fire... |
| 08:16.01 | bzed | zenbum, litage: also is modules_image an absolutely valid target. if you don;t need more than the kernel and module images, kame-kpkg ......... kernel-image modules_image works well |
| 08:16.08 | bzed | zenbum: what's unsafe on using /usr/src? |
| 08:16.32 | Insolit | guys is there a way to notice what files have changed from one moment to another? |
| 08:16.37 | litage | btw, after i run ``make-kpkg clean'', should i also run ``make-kpkg modules_clean''? |
| 08:17.04 | zenbum | bzed: various things access .../include |
| 08:17.05 | bzed | litage: it'll clean the modules stuff before building them |
| 08:17.14 | litage | great |
| 08:17.32 | aubade | Ah man, where is the hosts (or equivalent of) file? |
| 08:17.35 | bzed | zenbum: /usr/linux/src/include is only access if you're building a kernel module |
| 08:17.38 | perlmonke1 | what happenes when deb crew run out toy story character names |
| 08:17.42 | bzed | aubade: /etc/hosts |
| 08:17.53 | aubade | bzed: ty |
| 08:17.59 | zenbum | bbiab... tweaking my kernel until it breaks |
| 08:18.10 | litage | perlmonke1: apparently there are so many characters in Toy Story that it's not going to happen =P |
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| 08:18.16 | perlmonke1 | hehe |
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| 08:18.21 | bzed | perlmonke1: they probably choose a new story? :P or we have joey, zobel, aj and.... as names :D |
| 08:19.00 | itom | hi all; I've updated from sarge to etch (without problems :), now If I want to use postfix instead exim, need only apt-get install postfix? |
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| 08:19.27 | Insolit | could someone tell if there'a any way to monitor what files are changes, after the installation of some program? |
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| 08:20.27 | bzed | Insolit: you could write some code to use fam for that |
| 08:20.41 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, maybe you can help me with this i got errors after update to lenny, zenity (what is this) needs libui-dialog-perl, is this a broken dep? |
| 08:20.46 | bzed | Insolit: but probably you want to explain your real problem? |
| 08:21.10 | perlmonke1 | i dunno what zenity is |
| 08:21.25 | Insolit | i would like to know what files nvidia installer changes |
| 08:21.40 | wols | ask nvidia |
| 08:21.47 | bzed | Insolit: do not use the nv.run stuff |
| 08:21.53 | bzed | Insolit: it's just broken |
| 08:22.00 | bzed | or better: it'll break your system |
| 08:22.00 | Insolit | could not make it work with debian way |
| 08:22.13 | Insolit | it worked with their installer |
| 08:22.29 | Insolit | but now it changed some files |
| 08:22.29 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, according to aptitude a rewrite of gdialog command in GNOME 1 wich i dont use, i sue gnome2 |
| 08:22.39 | Insolit | crucial to ATI module loading |
| 08:22.40 | perlmonke1 | so far my upgrade to lenny has not encountered any probs but its not finished yet |
| 08:23.06 | bzed | Insolit: the debian package has a little bug which affects a few cards. in short: the nvidia isntaller will fuckup your system. |
| 08:23.08 | perlmonke1 | im keeping my fingers crossed as i did some upgrades on packages prior to dist upgrade, and havent downgraded them |
| 08:23.32 | Insolit | bzed: how bad can it be? |
| 08:23.48 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, solved i head installed a gnome1 packes way back in dont need naymore, apt-get -f install fixed it |
| 08:23.49 | perlmonke1 | dutchfish: phew you might have the same prob i might be facing |
| 08:23.57 | Insolit | well i had to reinstall all libgl, mesa, and xorg stuff |
| 08:24.09 | Insolit | bzed: what's that bug? |
| 08:24.13 | bzed | Insolit: and that's probably not enough because the installer leaves some extra files |
| 08:24.16 | Insolit | (in debian way) |
| 08:24.19 | perlmonke1 | dutchfish: did you update/upgrade packages above stable by accident without doing a dist upgrade? |
| 08:24.21 | bzed | Insolit: not sure, will be fixed with etchr1 |
| 08:24.30 | Insolit | need it for today |
| 08:24.32 | Insolit | :D |
| 08:24.51 | bzed | Insolit: are you using testing/usntable or etch? |
| 08:24.57 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, no, it (was) a pure etch wich i dist-upgraded to lenny (gnome2 desktop) |
| 08:25.05 | perlmonke1 | oh i see |
| 08:25.16 | Insolit | damn same question again and i still dunno how to answer |
| 08:25.26 | Insolit | i install packages from many sources |
| 08:25.27 | perlmonke1 | thats odd then |
| 08:25.27 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, the rest went smooth as butter |
| 08:25.37 | perlmonke1 | :) |
| 08:25.38 | Insolit | either experimental, stable or unstable |
| 08:26.15 | bzed | Insolit: which card do you ahve? |
| 08:26.22 | perlmonke1 | i been running debian for 10 years by next year |
| 08:26.28 | Insolit | mhhh bzed doing a cvs of my system, would allow me to understand what files changed right? |
| 08:26.35 | perlmonke1 | and i still know very little compared to you guys |
| 08:26.42 | bzed | Insolit: the nvidia installer has an uninstall function :P |
| 08:26.43 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, congratz i myself use it now for about 6 years |
| 08:26.44 | Insolit | bzed: one 7200 go 256 turbo cache |
| 08:26.48 | perlmonke1 | :-) |
| 08:26.50 | _rouemirc_ | So if I configure proftpd to use mod_tls, then all traffic including athentication and control/data streams will be SSL encrypted 100% as long as the client supports FTPS? |
| 08:26.56 | bzed | !tell Insolit about nvidia_experimental |
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| 08:27.16 | bzed | Insolit: you WANT to use the --uninstall of that nv.run thing before installing the driver from experimental |
| 08:27.49 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, ok so watch out for gnome1 leftovers when you dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 08:27.57 | perlmonke1 | Gnea has vanished |
| 08:28.02 | Insolit | bzed alright |
| 08:28.05 | perlmonke1 | ok |
| 08:28.08 | Insolit | thanks for the tip |
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| 08:28.21 | bzed | Insolit: np |
| 08:28.43 | Insolit | but the nvidia drivers did fine :P |
| 08:29.12 | Insolit | and they would be perfectly fine if i wasn't building one live-cd |
| 08:29.23 | bzed | Insolit: don't install any new stuff then ;) |
| 08:29.43 | Insolit | but ill try that experimental |
| 08:29.53 | Insolit | though i tried the debian and got disappointed |
| 08:29.58 | Insolit | cause it did not work |
| 08:30.03 | scx | radeon is the propietary driver right ? |
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| 08:30.09 | perlmonke1 | *xfce |
| 08:30.14 | Insolit | radeon is dri module |
| 08:30.24 | BUMBACL0T | !pastebin |
| 08:30.24 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 08:30.41 | scx | then what's the open driver name? |
| 08:30.44 | Insolit | or at least, radeon is the module that gets loaded when dri is loading 3d |
| 08:30.57 | scx | fgrl or something right? |
| 08:31.02 | Insolit | fglrx |
| 08:31.06 | scx | thanks |
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| 08:31.22 | FuzzyB | how do i get a remote shell to show console messages? |
| 08:31.32 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, another minor Obselete command TITLE ... (from within gnome-applets).. had to reinstall 1 gnome2-applet |
| 08:31.45 | FuzzyB | i've got the xfs module seg faulting, i can see it on the console, but i don't see it in any log |
| 08:33.05 | perlmonke1 | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 08:33.06 | SlayerXP | more importantly, where'd he steal the 'l' from |
| 08:33.06 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, gdk-pixbuf updated wit 0 errors |
| 08:33.06 | perlmonke1 | scx: i think my werkstation gaim logged onto irc and hogged it :P |
| 08:33.13 | perlmonke1 | im still in bed on laptop i was too sick to sit up at werkstation |
| 08:33.20 | walson | now i am confused. i have drive sda mounted as /mnt. when i do 'grub-install /dev/sda', grubs files are not written to /mnt/boot/grub but to /boot/grub. |
| 08:33.53 | FuzzyB | install grub manually or use a mount --bind to get boot where it belongs |
| 08:34.04 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, one more : backup your /etc/skel if you modified it its been overwritten ( ihave full backup) |
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| 08:34.27 | perlmonke1 | dutchfish: noted |
| 08:34.34 | dutchfish | perlmonke1, thats it, no more errors for me |
| 08:34.37 | walson | FuzzyB, manually means fr the grub shell, right? i have done that. |
| 08:34.39 | perlmonke1 | cool :) |
| 08:34.44 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 08:34.51 | FuzzyB | or mount --bind |
| 08:34.59 | dutchfish | not bad for testing :) |
| 08:35.50 | walson | FuzzyB, in grub shell, how to i specify the drive i want to install grub? |
| 08:36.16 | FuzzyB | look for the gentoo install handbook. It describes setting up grub by hand accuractly |
| 08:36.20 | purplepenguins | your hard drives are listed |
| 08:36.29 | purplepenguins | such that (hd0) is the first one |
| 08:36.33 | purplepenguins | and (hd1) is the second |
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| 08:36.55 | purplepenguins | you can tab-complete to see what hard drives are detected |
| 08:37.41 | walson | purplepenguins, say /dev/sda is detected as hd1, which command to use on it then? |
| 08:37.51 | walson | root? |
| 08:37.56 | purplepenguins | if you want to make it as root |
| 08:38.02 | purplepenguins | then you'd say |
| 08:38.18 | purplepenguins | root (hd1,0) (the partition that /boot is in) |
| 08:38.23 | Gnea | perlmonkey: i vanished? :) |
| 08:38.33 | DavidProck1981 | how can i format my ntfs drive to a Ext3 |
| 08:38.34 | purplepenguins | and then 'setup (hd1)' |
| 08:38.40 | walson | then 'setup hd1'? |
| 08:38.55 | purplepenguins | don't forget the parentheses |
| 08:39.02 | walson | i have done that. |
| 08:39.09 | FuzzyB | DavidProck1981: cfdisk + mkfs.ext3 |
| 08:39.20 | purplepenguins | then it should give some info and if it doesn't give an error you are done |
| 08:39.25 | DavidProck1981 | what will that do |
| 08:39.28 | walson | l'll give it another go. thks. |
| 08:39.40 | FuzzyB | setup (hd1) |
| 08:39.42 | purplepenguins | that will install grub to your boot partitino, and then set up grub on your mbr |
| 08:39.49 | Gnea | !newbiedoc |
| 08:39.49 | dpkg | it has been said that newbiedoc is http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 08:40.04 | DavidProck1981 | FuzzyB, was u talking to me |
| 08:40.17 | FuzzyB | that's why i tab completed your name |
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| 08:40.23 | anigel | hey |
| 08:40.34 | purplepenguins | it needs be the disk that your computer tries to boot from though |
| 08:40.42 | Gnea | FuzzyB: it's okay, he's known for his arrogance |
| 08:40.46 | purplepenguins | so your bios has to point to this disk as your primary boot disk |
| 08:40.47 | perlmonkey | Gnea you got called off at work? |
| 08:40.48 | DavidProck1981 | oh duh , some how i over read that part lol |
| 08:40.50 | anigel | please, anyone here with high knowledge of Xen integration in Etch please ? |
| 08:41.00 | Gnea | perlmonkey: eh? no, lagged connection |
| 08:41.04 | FuzzyB | it's not high |
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| 08:41.06 | perlmonkey | I thought you had been abducted by aliens |
| 08:41.09 | FuzzyB | but i have some decent knowledge |
| 08:41.10 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 08:41.11 | FuzzyB | of etch and xen |
| 08:41.20 | Gnea | lmfao |
| 08:42.01 | Greek-Boy | how do i check if i'm running sarge or etch? |
| 08:42.08 | HYPOCRISY | no |
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| 08:42.19 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.22 | anigel | FuzzyB: thanks. I am currently trying to get Xen working on on of my test servers (already using it with gentoo, works well, I know Xen quite well). This a fresh installed Etch box, but I currently cannont get networking up when booting Xen. |
| 08:42.32 | lewis | just to confirm - there is no way to host a MSSQL database on debian, right? |
| 08:42.34 | dutchfish | oh btw xenman broke after upgrading to lenny with: error: unable to open /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc frp reading (not existing) |
| 08:42.38 | FuzzyB | edit /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp |
| 08:42.38 | DavidProck1981 | FuzzyB: with "cfdisk + mkfs.ext3" how do i tell it what drive and the size of the partition |
| 08:42.41 | FuzzyB | and fix your network-script |
| 08:42.49 | perlmonkey | sheesh my laptop is slow, upgrade is still going |
| 08:42.56 | anigel | FuzzyB: Already done, I think |
| 08:43.08 | perlmonkey | im always nervous of dist upgrades |
| 08:43.12 | FuzzyB | DavidProck1981: use cfdisk to set up the partition correct then use mkfs.ext3 if you don't know the syntax read the man pages for both |
| 08:43.13 | Greek-Boy | Linux 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:43.16 | Greek-Boy | time is set wrong |
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| 08:43.24 | perlmonkey | my finger nails are getting shorter |
| 08:43.36 | FuzzyB | anigel: then double check, it should say network-bridge not network dummy for the line that isn't comment out |
| 08:43.41 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.55 | anigel | FuzzyB: instead of my eth0 device, I just get a strange xenbr0 device, wich does not seem configurable by hand |
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| 08:44.06 | FuzzyB | xenbr0 is the first bridge |
| 08:44.11 | FuzzyB | that peth0 and eth0 should attach to |
| 08:44.14 | Greek-Boy | it doesn't say whether or not i'm running sarge |
| 08:44.20 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, is see no errors in it (bridge setup) and xen is functioning properly as the dom-u's |
| 08:44.21 | FuzzyB | your dom0 connects via eth0 |
| 08:44.32 | anigel | FuzzyB: my dom0 does not bring eth0 up |
| 08:44.40 | anigel | no such device |
| 08:44.40 | FuzzyB | wait a minute |
| 08:44.47 | FuzzyB | i'm not talking to you dutch |
| 08:44.58 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, yes you are right |
| 08:45.08 | FuzzyB | no i'm talking to anigel |
| 08:45.20 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, it wasnt before upgrade to lenny |
| 08:45.24 | FuzzyB | i don't care |
| 08:45.29 | FuzzyB | you screwed yourself going to lenny |
| 08:45.33 | perlmonkey | Greek-Boy: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:45.48 | walson | FuzzyB, mount -t ext2 /dev/sda --bind /boot/grub, will this do? |
| 08:45.56 | FuzzyB | no |
| 08:46.08 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:46.14 | Greek-Boy | oh it says sarge |
| 08:46.14 | FuzzyB | walson: mount --bind <old path> <new path> |
| 08:46.20 | Greek-Boy | is etch stable now? |
| 08:46.22 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 08:46.29 | webmind | can anyone tell me why an upgrade of libc6 will remove java ? |
| 08:46.33 | perlmonkey | Greek-Boy: yes |
| 08:46.53 | DavidProck1981 | i dont feal comfortible manualy editing the cylinders, sectors, and tracks, is there another way |
| 08:46.56 | walson | FuzzyB, mount --bind /mnt /boot/grub ? |
| 08:46.58 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:47.19 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, can you tell me what is wrong then? |
| 08:47.20 | Gnea | who edits CST anymore? |
| 08:47.21 | FuzzyB | walson: i don't know your setup exact, if you want to mount your /mnt/boot to /boot then use mount --bind /mnt/boot /boot |
| 08:47.37 | walson | k |
| 08:47.38 | perlmonkey | well thats one down, 2 more to go, laptop upgrade to lenny went 100% ok |
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| 08:47.55 | FuzzyB | dutchfish: yea you moved to lenny when no one has even really started on it, etch just came out, be happy with that for 6 months at least unless you are a developer yourself |
| 08:48.01 | FuzzyB | in that case fix your own problem then |
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| 08:48.18 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 08:48.21 | Greek-Boy | how does one upgrade from sarge to etch? I would assume change the word "sarge" to "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 08:48.36 | perlmonkey | dutchfish: that sux eh |
| 08:48.42 | FuzzyB | Greek-Boy: i think you might be right, but don't take my word for it |
| 08:48.53 | perlmonkey | we want testing eh, newer versions and more releases |
| 08:48.54 | FuzzyB | dpkg upgrade |
| 08:48.54 | dpkg | upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 08:48.55 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, thats an answer, however i have the feeling you could enlighten me some more why xen doenst bind to peth0? |
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| 08:49.40 | Gnea | !security |
| 08:49.40 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 08:49.43 | FuzzyB | dutchfish: xen binds to the network device that has the default route by default. Setup your eth0 just like anything else, then when xend's init.d scripts go it will rename peth0 to eth0 then build xenbr0 between the both of them |
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| 08:49.55 | FuzzyB | if you have the network-script network-bridge enabled and not network-dummy |
| 08:50.02 | FuzzyB | i can't speak for any of the other ones |
| 08:50.04 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, yes |
| 08:50.25 | FuzzyB | it's eth0 to peth0 |
| 08:50.34 | FuzzyB | and if you want the dom0 to have a ip addy |
| 08:50.35 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, you try to tell me then network-bridge sscript is broken? |
| 08:50.37 | FuzzyB | you give it to eth0 |
| 08:50.48 | anigel | FuzzyB: in fact I suspect a problem in the linux kernel config : my card is using the b44 kernel module, but a dmesg | grep eth does not show any eth device. not even one line ! and, which is even strange : a rmmod b44 && modprobe b44 gives some errors about wrong DMA configurations, etc.... did'nt see such behaviour before on xen :-/ |
| 08:50.58 | FuzzyB | dutchfish: i'm thinking you have alot broken, you asked me about xen network so i said what i knew |
| 08:51.22 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, ok thx, i figure out somehow and report back later |
| 08:51.22 | FuzzyB | anigel: remake your initrd then with that module |
| 08:51.32 | anigel | already done :-/ |
| 08:51.41 | FuzzyB | then i don't know |
| 08:51.50 | FuzzyB | that's how i fixed my network issues with my e1000 pair |
| 08:52.28 | anigel | thanks anyway... i'm going to investigate further more then ;) |
| 08:53.14 | floundering | Hi again, the device assignment of the drive that my root filesystem is inconsitent on booting, do I have to modify the initrd to set udev rules? |
| 08:53.29 | perlmonkey | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "debian-multimedia-keyring" HUH?? |
| 08:54.23 | Greek-Boy | I am trying to compile ucspi-tcp-0.88 but it gives me errors. http://pastebot.misterjackson.com/122 |
| 08:54.26 | zenbum | perlmonkey: debian-archive-keyring? |
| 08:54.34 | phisher1 | hello |
| 08:54.41 | FuzzyB | floundering: google |
| 08:54.50 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 08:55.20 | artagnon | How do I prevent iceweasel from asking me if I want to restore session everytime? |
| 08:55.20 | perlmonkey | zenbum: what about debian-multimedia mirror |
| 08:55.23 | phisher1 | dunno |
| 08:55.37 | Gnea | perlmonkey: i haven't figured that one yet either |
| 08:55.43 | perlmonkey | sux |
| 08:55.48 | perlmonkey | i cant get my frontend |
| 08:55.52 | hermuli | can someone help me finding a monitoring tool for disks I/O. saidar seems fine but i need to log the results in to a file/database/whatever |
| 08:56.06 | tarzeau | hermuli: vmstat ? |
| 08:56.07 | FuzzyB | phpsysinfo? |
| 08:56.09 | FuzzyB | vmstat |
| 08:56.11 | FuzzyB | free? |
| 08:56.16 | FuzzyB | how about right from /proc itself? |
| 08:56.22 | Gnea | artagnon: shut it down correctly to begin with |
| 08:56.25 | hermuli | thanks. i'll look in to vmstat :) |
| 08:56.35 | Greek-Boy | when I do uname -a what does SMP stand for? |
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| 08:56.37 | FuzzyB | phpsysinfo will give you a purtty gui |
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| 08:56.51 | FuzzyB | Greek-Boy: +1 processors |
| 08:56.55 | artagnon | Gnea: ! I just want it to restore sesssion without asking me |
| 08:56.58 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, fixed :) its indeed an error in the network-bridge script, it starts to soon, adding a wait in the beginning of 10 secs resolves the problem (for your info xen is working properly as xenman is) |
| 08:56.59 | FuzzyB | symetric multi processing |
| 08:57.07 | ArtVandalae | Hi. How is it when I format my 40GB HDD to ext3, it takes upwards of half an hour, whereas when I do it through the installer, it's almost instant? |
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| 08:57.18 | artagnon | Gnea: Sometimes, I forget that it's left open and shutdown X |
| 08:57.31 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, this might be related to 2 more eth cards |
| 08:57.34 | FuzzyB | ArtVandalae: hdparm set dma on |
| 08:57.35 | perlmonkey | ahh its in the faq |
| 08:57.38 | Greek-Boy | thanks Fuzzy |
| 08:57.42 | FuzzyB | dutchfish: i've got 3 cards in my machine |
| 08:57.49 | FuzzyB | 2 of which are bonded |
| 08:57.52 | FuzzyB | in active failover |
| 08:57.53 | Greek-Boy | i didn't install the SMP kernel though :( |
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| 08:58.01 | FuzzyB | are you a dual processor machine? |
| 08:58.14 | FuzzyB | or a 8 way like me? |
| 08:58.16 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, no P4 prescott |
| 08:58.16 | zenbum | Greek-Boy: smp is the default kernel now |
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| 08:58.25 | FuzzyB | dutchfish: not you greek |
| 08:58.26 | _ac3_ | Hi |
| 08:58.28 | artagnon | Is there something like screen for apps like iceweasel so I can preserve it over X shutdown and startup cycles? |
| 08:58.41 | artagnon | for non-CLI apps ie. |
| 08:58.51 | FuzzyB | yea i can't think of anything artagnon |
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| 08:58.53 | purplepenguins | not really |
| 08:59.01 | _ac3_ | Is it possible to use both monthly and size=1G in logrotate.conf, whichever comes first? |
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| 08:59.04 | FuzzyB | the only thing i can possibly think of is maybe something with xnest |
| 08:59.05 | purplepenguins | since X kinda requires reloading all the GUI stuff |
| 08:59.13 | FuzzyB | or vnc |
| 08:59.27 | Greek-Boy | good |
| 08:59.32 | artagnon | I see |
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| 09:00.06 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, ? |
| 09:00.12 | FuzzyB | what |
| 09:00.40 | walson | FuzzyB, after bind, grub-install gives: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. But it is things are written to the correct drive. |
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| 09:00.59 | walson | But at least |
| 09:01.08 | FuzzyB | then it's not getting the path properly |
| 09:01.11 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, you said xen is broken on lenny, it isnt |
| 09:01.22 | FuzzyB | figure out how to get grub once it's booted to give you a list of drives |
| 09:01.34 | FuzzyB | then figure out which one you want it to look at for your boot/grub stuff |
| 09:01.39 | FuzzyB | then go back into your installer |
| 09:01.42 | purplepenguins | you need it to point to the right drive, the drive with your /boot partition |
| 09:01.43 | FuzzyB | and tell it the right drive |
| 09:01.46 | FuzzyB | and install it again |
| 09:02.01 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, or did i misunderstand you? |
| 09:02.05 | purplepenguins | so you need to have grub on the mbr of that disk, and that your bios points to load from that disk |
| 09:02.10 | FuzzyB | dutchfish: many times over |
| 09:03.07 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, apart from the ' greek' thing |
| 09:03.07 | FuzzyB | no |
| 09:03.07 | purplepenguins | and also need to have your menu.lst/grub.conf to point to the right place for your root partition and kernel of course |
| 09:03.07 | FuzzyB | i'm going back to what i was working on, if anyone needs me page |
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| 09:03.22 | walson | purplepenguins, 'grub-install /dev/sda' would install grub on the mbr of sda, right? |
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| 09:03.58 | DavidProck1981 | to help me remember the command in cfdisk what does the cf stand for |
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| 09:04.19 | perlmonkey | Gnea: switching mirrors for debian-multimedia solved that missing key prob for me |
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| 09:04.58 | walson | FuzzyB, there is no installer involved here. i am trying to make my backup drive boot-up as the system drive. |
| 09:05.40 | dubphil_ | Hello, before switching to etch, my samba+winbind setup was working great against a W2K3 active directory domain, but after the upgrade, winbind stops working with no explicit reasons, is there something new in etch like pam or something ? |
| 09:05.47 | FuzzyB | then pass a flag @ boot to point root at a different drive |
| 09:06.12 | FuzzyB | i thought pam has been around for a while everywhere |
| 09:07.19 | Greek-Boy | fixed my compile problem |
| 09:07.40 | dubphil_ | FuzzyB: ok, because on docs sometimes I see that pam config files are used and in others they don't even mentiuoned pam to interfere with winbind |
| 09:08.05 | FuzzyB | and i honestly haven't had to deal with samba or winbind in years |
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| 09:09.09 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.46 | walson | i manage to update-grub in the target drive. will do a restart to see if it works. any harm? |
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| 09:10.36 | perlmonkey | ok slight prob, my shell has shrunk to the size of the title bar :-/ |
| 09:10.43 | perlmonkey | how do I get it back |
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| 09:11.08 | dubphil_ | Anyone have winbind broken after the dist-upgrade to Etch ? |
| 09:11.36 | perlmonkey | sorted |
| 09:11.37 | xyz123 | anyone who knows what happend to KBear? It was available in sarge but its not in sid? |
| 09:12.24 | cat | can anyone of you give me an universe source so i can added it to my source list please |
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| 09:12.39 | cat | if is not too much to asked, because i'm stock with some stuff |
| 09:13.08 | aspWork | hi guys, i just installed etch with gnome, and i get a share showing each of my samba mounts on the desktop, how do i disable/remove this feature? |
| 09:13.09 | DavidProck1981 | perlmonkey if u use kde u can use alt + right click and drag |
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| 09:14.39 | DavidProck1981 | what is mythtv |
| 09:15.23 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 09:15.26 | SlayerXP | DavidProck1981: is google illegal where you live? |
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| 09:15.53 | zenbum | cat: isn't "universe" an ubuntu repository? |
| 09:16.09 | LoRe | how can i build a package with debugsymbols? or is there a repository to get -dbg packages? |
| 09:16.59 | DavidProck1981 | SlayerXP, uuhhhhhh,, yes? |
| 09:17.05 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
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| 09:18.07 | kuru | I've got the weirdest thing happen to me here |
| 09:18.15 | kuru | I had kernel 2.6.8 |
| 09:18.28 | kuru | everything was fine, except that it only saw under 1gb of my 3gb ram |
| 09:18.34 | kuru | so I upgraded to 2.6.18 |
| 09:18.37 | bzed | LoRe: there're a lot of -dbg packages in debian |
| 09:18.40 | GhostlyDeath | Status: Hibernation failed, computer decided to shutdown instead of to hibernate (like clicking Hibernate) - computer died before it could finish shutting down... |
| 09:18.41 | kuru | (debian stable) |
| 09:18.50 | kuru | and now it can't seem to see my SATA drive |
| 09:19.07 | LoRe | bzed: ah, ic, but not of the package i want to debug :) |
| 09:19.07 | bzed | kuru: sounds liek you're running sarge!? |
| 09:19.32 | Kevin` | kuru as to the 1gb ram thing, you probably don't have high memory support enabled in your kernel |
| 09:19.37 | bzed | LoRe: then you need to get the source and rebuild it without stripping it |
| 09:19.50 | kuru | kevin, I understand, which is why I upgraded the kernel |
| 09:20.00 | kuru | bzed, sarge is stable, so probably yes |
| 09:20.02 | bzed | kuru: that has nothign to do with the kernel version |
| 09:20.10 | bzed | kuru: no, sarge is oldstable |
| 09:20.17 | kuru | bzed, okay.. |
| 09:20.36 | DavidProck1981 | kuru do u have the i680 motherboard |
| 09:20.45 | bzed | kuru: etch is stable. I don;t know where you got the kernel from, but chances are good that you need udev to get it working properly |
| 09:21.29 | DavidProck1981 | nForce 680i ? |
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| 09:21.41 | aspWork | let me rephrase, how to i configure wich "places" are to be shown on the gnome desktop under debian? |
| 09:21.44 | kuru | bzed, I need to boot it back to older kenel to check |
| 09:21.49 | bzed | kuru: what you want to do is to use the 2.6.8 kernel which was compiled with support for large memory, I think it has bigmem in it's name. apt-cache search 2.6.8 bigmem will help you |
| 09:22.15 | kuru | bzed, but why not run 2.6.18 anyway? |
| 09:22.23 | perlmonkey | wooohooo got mythfront-end running on 11g laptop |
| 09:22.25 | kuru | there's no reason why it would do this, regardless of what I'm running |
| 09:22.27 | bzed | kuru: becauase you need a recent version of udev |
| 09:22.36 | kuru | bzed, no.. not the bigmem thing |
| 09:22.44 | kuru | bzed, the fact that it completely is unable to see my hard drive |
| 09:22.53 | bzed | kuru: boot your old kernel then |
| 09:22.56 | kuru | bzed, i think it sees it as a scsi drive |
| 09:22.59 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:23.00 | dpkg | <niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns? |
| 09:23.06 | bzed | kuru: sure it'll see it as scsi drive |
| 09:23.06 | kuru | bzed, I am doing so now.. but that still doesn't answer my question |
| 09:23.08 | zenbum | kuru: why don't you just upgrade to etch? |
| 09:23.23 | bzed | kuru: I think that answers your question pretty much. |
| 09:23.27 | kuru | zenbum, I need to find out what I'm on first.. it'll take a second to boot (waiting for it to come back up) |
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| 09:23.39 | kuru | bzed, it doesn't, really. |
| 09:23.46 | DavidProck1981 | !qotd0 |
| 09:23.46 | dpkg | hmm... qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 09:23.47 | Ronin | heh |
| 09:23.49 | kuru | bzed, unless we're talking about two different things |
| 09:24.00 | DavidProck1981 | !qotd0 |
| 09:24.00 | dpkg | well, qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 09:24.13 | bzed | kuru: no, we're not :) |
| 09:24.15 | DavidProck1981 | ??? |
| 09:24.19 | kuru | in my apt sources list, it says http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main ... |
| 09:24.24 | zenbum | kuru: 2.6.18 requires slightly different userland tools (including udev) |
| 09:24.30 | kuru | so that should be etch, whatever it is |
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| 09:24.44 | kuru | bzed, I have udev |
| 09:24.55 | bzed | kuru: so you've decided to upgrade to etch anyway. because everythign you're installing now will come from etch. or you change it to sarge |
| 09:25.14 | kuru | bzed, AFAIK, I am on 'stable' -- which is etch. |
| 09:25.26 | kuru | bzed, I've already done dist-upgrades a few days back |
| 09:25.26 | bzed | kuru: etch never had 2.6.8 |
| 09:25.38 | kuru | bzed, right.. it used to be sarge |
| 09:25.40 | zenbum | kuru: did you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 09:25.47 | kuru | zenbum, :) |
| 09:25.49 | bzed | kuru: you want to follow the release notes on upgrading your kernel |
| 09:25.57 | kuru | everything in the system is up to date, except for the kernel |
| 09:25.59 | bzed | !tell kuru about sarge->etch |
| 09:26.26 | kuru | ah.. |
| 09:26.29 | kuru | so there's more to it ;) |
| 09:26.45 | aspWork | found it |
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| 09:26.52 | bzed | kuru: yeah, it's not a simple apt-get dist-upgrade anymore, too many changes involved - but it's not too complicated |
| 09:31.51 | kuru | bzed, let's hope so.. this is an important server ;) |
| 09:32.18 | kuru | bzed, it did freak out when I first installed about the kernel and I said don't upgrade.. |
| 09:32.25 | kuru | bzed, I finally understand what was going on |
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| 09:33.39 | kuru | bzed, but even if I upgrade to 2.6.18, you're saying it still won't necessarily see the big memory space |
| 09:34.30 | bzed | kuru: no, you need to install the kernel image which supports the large memory |
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| 09:35.23 | bzed | kuru: how much ram do you ahve? |
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| 09:36.07 | bzed | kuru: I think the normal etch kernel supports up to 4GB now |
| 09:36.12 | zenbum | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem is for >4 GB |
| 09:36.26 | bzed | kuru: because the .... exactly, just wanted to say what zenbum said |
| 09:36.35 | bzed | that was changed from sarge to etch |
| 09:37.29 | zenbum | RTFRN ;) |
| 09:37.34 | DavidProck1981 | ok i read man cfdisk, and still dont wuite understand it |
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| 09:38.00 | kuru | well.. |
| 09:38.03 | kuru | following the instructions |
| 09:38.04 | Christoph_vW | what is the default path for downloaded files in lynx? |
| 09:38.08 | kuru | so far, it says there's nothing to upgrade |
| 09:38.30 | dubphil_ | Anyone have winbind broken after the dist-upgrade to Etch ? |
| 09:39.04 | Christoph_vW | I can't find the files I downloaded - neither with locate nor find |
| 09:39.06 | bzed | kuru: sata drives are under /dev/sd.... in 2.6.18 |
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| 09:39.37 | bzed | Christoph_vW: afaik it asks you where to save the files. not sure though, as I prefer links |
| 09:39.49 | litage | i've just recompiled my kernel and am trying to start X, but X fails to detect my synaptics touchpad. how can i get X to see it?: http://rafb.net/p/bnN05N32.html |
| 09:40.02 | kuru | bzed, I see.. so I need to let my fstab know this now? |
| 09:40.47 | kuru | cause I think that's the main problem |
| 09:41.04 | bzed | yeah |
| 09:41.31 | kuru | and it takes forever to deal with those disks though |
| 09:41.34 | kuru | a bit too long |
| 09:41.49 | GhostlyDeath | I found some malware in the debian packages! |
| 09:41.51 | kuru | bzed ,that's scary though.. if I do that, and it fails, then I won't even be able to mount them ad /dev/hda* under the older kernel ;) |
| 09:42.04 | GhostlyDeath | It backs up your files and drains HDD space like crazy |
| 09:42.15 | kuru | GhostlyDeath, you found openoffice? |
| 09:42.32 | GhostlyDeath | kuru: not openoffice |
| 09:42.35 | bzed | kuru: hmm, what's timing out? |
| 09:42.49 | bzed | kuru: and yeah, you should have soem live or rescue cd avaiable ;) |
| 09:42.53 | kuru | bzed, it says: sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb |
| 09:43.11 | GhostlyDeath | I hadkm v[ijdsg-897fhj3290fkj308f 10GB left now I got only 1.2? wtf is with that? |
| 09:43.16 | kuru | and it's just sitting there |
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| 09:43.40 | kuru | bzed, I got an ubuntu cd somewhere.. no probs there |
| 09:43.44 | GhostlyDeath | I CAN'T KILL THE PROCESSES EITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE USING UP ALL THE RESOURCES!! noooooooo! |
| 09:44.10 | bzed | !shout GhostlyDeath |
| 09:44.15 | bzed | !ping |
| 09:44.15 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:44.17 | bzed | !shout |
| 09:44.37 | GhostlyDeath | caps adds emotion to the conversatiojn |
| 09:44.37 | liable | GhostlyDeath: what program is it? |
| 09:44.49 | zenbum | how sad.... dpkg is lonely |
| 09:44.52 | GhostlyDeath | liable: hell if I knew |
| 09:45.09 | liable | GhostlyDeath: same time of the day? |
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| 09:45.16 | liable | 7:30 ish? |
| 09:45.26 | GhostlyDeath | 5:43 AM here |
| 09:45.31 | GhostlyDeath | it write sin /var/archives |
| 09:45.41 | GhostlyDeath | but the process is root |
| 09:45.45 | liable | GhostlyDeath: didnt you say the mtime for those files was around 8am? |
| 09:45.50 | kesha_nnm | hallo! wo is DEBIAN-RUSSIAN? help please! |
| 09:45.53 | GhostlyDeath | 37MB left.. |
| 09:45.56 | zenbum | where is it currently 7:30? Greenland? |
| 09:45.58 | GhostlyDeath | 372* |
| 09:46.12 | liable | GhostlyDeath: we told you the other day to find what was doing it |
| 09:46.19 | liable | but no, noone listens.. |
| 09:46.40 | GhostlyDeath | I couldn't find it |
| 09:46.52 | GhostlyDeath | I lose 0.1MB per half second |
| 09:46.56 | liable | you didnt look, you were gonna change the perms |
| 09:47.22 | wols | !ru |
| 09:47.22 | dpkg | i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 09:48.05 | GhostlyDeath | there are these backup-manager processes but killin gthem fails |
| 09:48.10 | GhostlyDeath | I can;t get a pid off them |
| 09:48.37 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: use pkill or kill `pidof process-name` |
| 09:49.16 | liable | telinit 1 and remove the fucker |
| 09:49.21 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: before that, note what's starting them and kill off (or kill -STOP at least) their parent |
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| 09:50.12 | anigel | FuzzyB: OK, finally found the problem |
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| 09:50.21 | FuzzyB | oh? |
| 09:50.28 | GhostlyDeath | 260... |
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| 09:50.51 | liable | GhostlyDeath: what exactly is the process? |
| 09:50.52 | anigel | FuzzyB: In fact it seems that driver for b44 module causes problems with DMA configuration when using Xen backend. |
| 09:51.05 | Layer8 | hello @all |
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| 09:51.08 | FuzzyB | sounds like you need a new network card |
| 09:51.22 | anigel | FuzzyB: workaournd : pick up another network card and everything worked out-of-the-box ;) |
| 09:51.26 | walson | is it so difficult to install grub on another hd fr the currently running one? first, it wrote grub files on the current drive's /boot/grub. after mount --bind, i manage to fix it. now i have "Grub error 17" which means grub does not recognise the filetype. but i was able to mount the drive as type ext2. |
| 09:51.26 | zenbum | GhostlyDeath: lsof doesn't give you any info? |
| 09:51.52 | anigel | FuzzyB: do you think I should fill a bug for this particular problem in bdo ? |
| 09:52.07 | FuzzyB | if it's already documented somewhere then no |
| 09:52.10 | FuzzyB | if it's not then yet |
| 09:52.10 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 09:52.19 | anigel | ok... i'm going to then ;) |
| 09:52.31 | anigel | FuzzyB: thanks again for trying to help ;) |
| 09:52.35 | FuzzyB | np |
| 09:53.37 | liable | GhostlyDeath: if the process is 'backup-manager' its not really hard to work out what you need to do.... |
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| 09:54.30 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 09:54.30 | GhostlyDeath | notjogn left |
| 09:55.19 | Scurz | hello |
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| 09:55.39 | liable | !beat GhostlyDeath |
| 09:55.54 | dimir | Moin |
| 09:55.56 | liable | GhostlyDeath: dude, its a LEGITIMATE fucking package |
| 09:56.20 | jelly-home | also, "Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by plain stupidity." |
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| 09:58.07 | DavidProck1981 | FuzzyB, when i use cfdisk, does it matter what i set for the type, it is currentlu on 82 |
| 09:58.08 | zenbum | report coreutils as malware too.... /bin/rm can trash your whole file system |
| 09:58.28 | GhostlyDeath | where the hell are the files? |
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| 09:58.45 | FuzzyB | DavidProck1981: for your sanity yes, make sure it says Linux ( i think that's type 82 ) then save and mkfs it |
| 09:59.20 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 09:59.52 | liable | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -l backup-manager | tail -1 |
| 10:00.05 | GhostlyDeath | it's gone allready |
| 10:00.06 | DavidProck1981 | i feal more comfirtable that app not, it kind of reminds me of fdisk for dos lol |
| 10:00.13 | DavidProck1981 | now* |
| 10:00.16 | GhostlyDeath | now where are all the tar gz the shit made? |
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| 10:00.41 | liable | GhostlyDeath: um, didnt you find them in /var yesterday? |
| 10:00.48 | GhostlyDeath | not there |
| 10:00.55 | GhostlyDeath | There somewhere else |
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| 10:01.01 | GhostlyDeath | that;s why I got 0 bytes left |
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| 10:01.13 | Layer8 | hey, im looking for someone who's familiar with pluggable auth modules... |
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| 10:01.20 | liable | GhostlyDeath: well, go through the same process you went through yesterday |
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| 10:04.00 | xand | Layer8: you should just ask |
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| 10:04.01 | GhostlyDeath | what commands? |
| 10:04.19 | kuru | this is too crazy |
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| 10:06.59 | Layer8 | ok, i'm trying to set up offline auth using pam_ccreds.so ... |
| 10:07.09 | Layer8 | can't get it to work |
| 10:07.22 | Layer8 | online auth does it using winbind |
| 10:07.32 | Layer8 | but offline...no chance |
| 10:08.26 | Layer8 | so i'm looking for someone who can help me |
| 10:08.59 | jelly-home | !info clamav sarge-volatile |
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| 10:09.30 | jelly-home | hmph |
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| 10:17.10 | DavidProck1981 | when working with mkfs.ext3 , in the block size what is the difference from 1024 & 4096, what affect does that have |
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| 10:17.43 | scx | * FuzzyB lately realize he has his feet on water |
| 10:18.17 | FuzzyB | DavidProck1981: block size or inode size? |
| 10:18.31 | FuzzyB | i'm going to assume they are the same thing |
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| 10:18.44 | DavidProck1981 | well i dont know what ither does, but i was asking about block size |
| 10:18.51 | ootput | have any of you any thoughts on the activity levels of #debian on either freenode or oftc networks? |
| 10:19.02 | FuzzyB | it's the amount of files ( or rather inodes which point to data in files ) that you can have on a system |
| 10:19.07 | FuzzyB | more inodes more files |
| 10:19.13 | FuzzyB | just less available total space |
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| 10:19.50 | FuzzyB | so a lot of inodes / aka a small block size = more files. |
| 10:20.05 | giupy_ | can i install deb on a usb hd and boot from it? what do i need? links? |
| 10:20.09 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 10:20.25 | FuzzyB | giupy_: www.debian.org |
| 10:20.30 | FuzzyB | it's right on the installer page |
| 10:20.33 | FuzzyB | just go look |
| 10:20.44 | giupy_ | FuzzyB thanks a lot, i go |
| 10:20.58 | DavidProck1981 | do u know what the defauld numbers are |
| 10:21.07 | FuzzyB | 4096 should be fine for you |
| 10:21.15 | FuzzyB | i don't know why it's asking you to specify |
| 10:21.23 | FuzzyB | you should just have to type mkfs.ext3 (path) |
| 10:21.44 | DavidProck1981 | oh , i was reading the man page on it |
| 10:21.50 | FuzzyB | ah |
| 10:21.51 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 10:21.58 | FuzzyB | most of those options are just that, optional |
| 10:22.04 | GreaseMonkey | night everyone |
| 10:22.10 | FuzzyB | nite |
| 10:22.46 | FuzzyB | dpkg: mbps |
| 10:22.46 | dpkg | from memory, mbps is (Mega-bits per second) This is a measure of throughput in millions of bits per second. |
| 10:22.51 | FuzzyB | i thought so |
| 10:22.53 | DavidProck1981 | if i dont tell it 4096 what willl it use |
| 10:22.59 | FuzzyB | 4096 |
| 10:23.02 | FuzzyB | i think |
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| 10:23.44 | niru | I have installed debian 4.0 |
| 10:23.51 | wols | block size is the smallest size on disk a file can have |
| 10:23.58 | DavidProck1981 | what does bytes-per-inode mean thow, what affect will it have |
| 10:24.00 | niru | but unable to login as root |
| 10:24.03 | wols | e.g even a 1 byte file will take up 4096 bytes |
| 10:24.21 | wols | niru: on install it asked you for a root pw |
| 10:24.32 | wols | !tell niru about ifrp |
| 10:24.37 | niru | wols, yes and I gave the password |
| 10:24.47 | wols | if you did, it will work |
| 10:25.07 | wols | su. enter password. done |
| 10:25.12 | niru | wols, I am giving the same password after boot |
| 10:25.16 | niru | but its not accepting |
| 10:25.18 | FuzzyB | DavidProck1981: how big an inode is, |
| 10:25.26 | FuzzyB | dpkg tell DavidProck1981 inode |
| 10:25.28 | wols | FuzzyB: no |
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| 10:25.38 | niru | wols, while I am able to enter as normal user |
| 10:25.44 | wols | niru: then use su |
| 10:25.59 | FuzzyB | dpkg tell DavidProck1981 about inode |
| 10:26.00 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg did not send a message ? |
| 10:26.05 | DavidProck1981 | ok there it is |
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| 10:26.29 | DavidProck1981 | NEIF |
| 10:26.33 | Layer8 | does noone have a clue how to configure libpam_ccreds ? |
| 10:26.47 | EvilGuru | Does the default x86 kernel collect entropy from network interrupts? |
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| 10:26.48 | wols | DavidProck1981: number if inodes determines how many files you can have on the partition, blocksize determins the size space is allocated for a file |
| 10:27.17 | DavidProck1981 | on the hole partition of per folder |
| 10:27.28 | DavidProck1981 | or per folder |
| 10:27.37 | wols | what did I write? |
| 10:27.48 | DavidProck1981 | on the partition |
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| 10:28.23 | DavidProck1981 | i will have quite a large number of files |
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| 10:28.56 | wols | Layer8: You have searched for libpam_ccreds in stable, architecture i386. Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
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| 10:30.08 | EvilGuru | As my server (an old PIII) is often starved for the stuff and am not sure if it is using the network as a source for entropy |
| 10:30.30 | wols | for what do you need the randomness? |
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| 10:31.07 | DavidProck1981 | so can u make a standard example of useing mkfs.ext3 |
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| 10:31.15 | FuzzyB | anyone know the vi command to move to the front and end of the current line? |
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| 10:31.25 | FuzzyB | DavidProck1981: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 |
| 10:31.29 | litage | what's the uhci_hcd kernel module? |
| 10:31.30 | EvilGuru | wols: HTTPS connections drain the stuff like there is no tomorrow |
| 10:31.31 | Layer8 | wols ok, I'm using kubuntu...but I think that has no effect on the configuration |
| 10:31.43 | petemc | FuzzyB: ^ , $ |
| 10:31.47 | wols | !tell Layer8 about ubuntu |
| 10:31.49 | ootput | FuzzyB: 0, $ |
| 10:31.50 | wols | Layer8: it does |
| 10:31.56 | xand | Layer8: wrong channel then |
| 10:32.00 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 10:32.09 | FuzzyB | oh seet |
| 10:32.10 | FuzzyB | sweet |
| 10:32.14 | FuzzyB | thanks petemc |
| 10:32.28 | EvilGuru | I was told that adding a sound card should solve the problem |
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| 10:32.55 | ootput | ungrateful bastard |
| 10:32.59 | FuzzyB | EvilGuru: you know i once read about using the serial port for entrophy |
| 10:33.00 | ootput | ;) |
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| 10:33.17 | FuzzyB | i don't know if that ever came to be |
| 10:33.54 | EvilGuru | FuzzyB: I have been told that network interrupts could be used, which seems quite good as the computer in question deals with a fair amount of network traffic and has two NICs (in use) |
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| 10:34.32 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 10:34.50 | FuzzyB | try googling for generating entrophy |
| 10:34.54 | FuzzyB | see what you come up with |
| 10:35.04 | wols | entropy |
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| 10:35.29 | jelly-home | a P3 motherboard probably doesn't have a hardware rng |
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| 10:35.44 | FuzzyB | not until 815 chipset |
| 10:35.49 | FuzzyB | or excuse me 810 |
| 10:36.18 | EvilGuru | This is an old PIII board |
| 10:36.24 | FuzzyB | 440bx? |
| 10:36.34 | EvilGuru | FuzzyB: Yep |
| 10:36.45 | FuzzyB | yea have fun with that |
| 10:36.59 | xand | that's like the best chipset ever |
| 10:37.06 | FuzzyB | if your like 20 years old |
| 10:37.20 | xand | "you're" |
| 10:37.30 | litage | is /etc/modprobe.d/* processed before /etc/modules ? |
| 10:37.41 | FuzzyB | xand: it's late on sunday night, quit being a nazi |
| 10:37.47 | FuzzyB | or early monday morning now |
| 10:37.48 | xand | it's Monday morning! |
| 10:37.53 | FuzzyB | yea i just noticed that |
| 10:37.54 | FuzzyB | 3:30 am |
| 10:37.56 | xand | late morning |
| 10:38.05 | EvilGuru | 11:38 monday morning |
| 10:38.07 | FuzzyB | i don't see how that's late morning |
| 10:38.11 | FuzzyB | it's 3:38 am here |
| 10:38.27 | xand | EvilGuru has the right time |
| 10:38.28 | jelly-home | FuzzyB: you're all fuzzy, go to sleep! |
| 10:38.33 | FuzzyB | HA! |
| 10:38.38 | FuzzyB | no i've got to write these scripts |
| 10:38.44 | EvilGuru | xand: Although I refuse to update any of my clocks to BST |
| 10:38.47 | FuzzyB | to wrap tc around my xen |
| 10:38.53 | xand | EvilGuru: why? |
| 10:38.58 | FuzzyB | EvilGuru: Bastard Standard Time? |
| 10:39.05 | jelly-home | bullshit time |
| 10:39.16 | EvilGuru | xand: Give it a couple of months and I will have to do it all over again and it is a lot of hassle |
| 10:39.30 | xand | I have only one or two to change |
| 10:40.03 | xand | and I should replace that one with a radio-controlled one :P |
| 10:40.49 | EvilGuru | My Core 2 system, however, never seems to run low on entropy and it seems to have an almost static amount |
| 10:41.20 | EvilGuru | Although both systems cap-out at 3585 bits |
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| 10:41.38 | FuzzyB | dpkg: mbps |
| 10:41.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mbps is (Mega-bits per second) This is a measure of throughput in millions of bits per second. |
| 10:41.44 | FuzzyB | yea tell that to tc |
| 10:41.46 | xand | no it's not |
| 10:41.51 | xand | stupid dpkg |
| 10:41.54 | FuzzyB | mbps Megabytes per second |
| 10:42.03 | xand | no |
| 10:42.07 | FuzzyB | dpkg who's owner |
| 10:42.10 | xand | Mbps = megabits per second |
| 10:42.12 | FuzzyB | dpkg who's your owner |
| 10:42.18 | xand | mbps = millibits per second ;) |
| 10:42.24 | FuzzyB | tell that to tc |
| 10:42.42 | FuzzyB | xand: man tc search for UNITS |
| 10:42.44 | psyco-obiwan | mega boobs per sister ? |
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| 10:43.11 | EvilGuru | I do have a generate entropy script which runs every 5 minutes, but often the pool is emptied by the time 5 minutes is up |
| 10:43.31 | FuzzyB | better question is why are you rating your sisters mega boob's? |
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| 10:44.21 | anapivirtua | Bonjour all |
| 10:44.36 | xand | !fr |
| 10:44.36 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:44.38 | jelly-home | there's an average 1.9998 megaboobs/sister |
| 10:45.03 | FuzzyB | i think you need to throw that damm p90 out |
| 10:45.04 | niru | I am seeing no preseedfile in debian 4.0 cd contents |
| 10:45.20 | niru | then how is debian inserting packages |
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| 10:47.26 | FuzzyB | very carefully |
| 10:49.03 | psyco-obiwan | lol |
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| 10:53.28 | EvilGuru | I just looked at the graphics card on my server and along with a standard VGA port there was also a black, larger, port |
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| 10:54.28 | artagnon | Debian didn't give me an initscript to start the bitlbee server. What is the best way to get it to startup at bootup? |
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| 10:58.13 | cydork | artagnon: put it in rc.local or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or write a init script according to /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 10:58.39 | artagnon | cydork: rc.local will do just fine. Thank you |
| 10:58.48 | artagnon | cydork: btw, will it start with root permissions? |
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| 10:59.22 | cydork | artagnon: yes |
| 10:59.41 | liable | artagnon: it may well be started from inetd |
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| 10:59.49 | liable | check the docs |
| 11:00.14 | artagnon | liable: Okay |
| 11:00.36 | artagnon | cydork: I don't want it to have root permissions though |
| 11:01.30 | cydork | artagnon: hmm like liable said check how to start it from inetd. |
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| 11:01.48 | artagnon | Right. |
| 11:02.02 | cydork | artagnon: or you can use start-stop-daemon. |
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| 11:02.40 | tarzeau | about quilt and dpatch again, who wanted to help make a package use it? |
| 11:03.33 | wols | EvilGuru: round? d-sub shaped? |
| 11:03.41 | EvilGuru | wols: d-sub shaped |
| 11:03.49 | wols | dvi is usually white, sviode black |
| 11:04.04 | cydork | tarzeau: huh? |
| 11:04.10 | wols | EvilGuru: like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI ? |
| 11:04.20 | EvilGuru | wols: nope |
| 11:04.37 | tarzeau | cydork: i've got a debian package with changes to non debian/* files that need be made with dpatch or quilt |
| 11:04.52 | tarzeau | cydork: i can pay 30 paypal euro for whoever does this |
| 11:05.08 | wols | tarzeau: stew did |
| 11:05.15 | tarzeau | wols: url? |
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| 11:05.25 | EvilGuru | http://www0.dealtime.com/xPF-Matrox-Mystique |
| 11:05.25 | cydork | tarzeau: oh which package? |
| 11:05.28 | wols | tarzeau: for what? |
| 11:05.37 | floundering | FuzzyB: I should'nt be doing this udev rules stuff, my hardware is mundane. the fixed disk names are supposed to be consistent. but sda becomes sde some boots, and I get dumped at a busybox? prompt. Am I missing something? |
| 11:05.38 | wols | iirc stew uses qulit and wanted to help |
| 11:05.47 | tarzeau | cydork: this one http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/libfreebasic/ |
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| 11:06.08 | tarzeau | wols: for making this package build with dpatch or quilt for the changes outside debian/ in the diff.gz |
| 11:06.12 | FuzzyB | floundering: yea, there's a way to fix it, look at how ubuntu does it's fstab with EUID's |
| 11:06.18 | FuzzyB | or lock it with udev |
| 11:06.21 | tarzeau | stew: you wanted to help? |
| 11:06.29 | Greek-Boy | I installed apache2 in debian, trying to run a cgi-script but it keeps on looking in /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 11:06.35 | Greek-Boy | I addded this to my apache2.conf but it didn't help ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/cgi-bin/ |
| 11:06.43 | Greek-Boy | i also restarted apache, same result :( |
| 11:06.44 | wols | FuzzyB: UUIDs |
| 11:06.51 | FuzzyB | sure |
| 11:06.57 | FuzzyB | i heard someone reading it off to me last night |
| 11:07.05 | FuzzyB | i thought i was hearing euid but it could have been uuid |
| 11:07.12 | liable | Greek-Boy: it should, is mod-alias enabled? |
| 11:07.13 | wols | FuzzyB: such details are kinda important. you should go to bed, cause you are not fit to give any advice currently |
| 11:07.16 | wols | you#re too tired |
| 11:07.29 | FuzzyB | probally |
| 11:07.41 | FuzzyB | i'll finish this script and then go |
| 11:07.43 | FuzzyB | i'm almost done |
| 11:08.50 | liable | Greek-Boy: there is already that alias in the modalias section, but its commented out |
| 11:09.11 | wols | tarzeau: #debian.log:16:08 < stew> tarzeau: what do you need to know about quilt? i'm switching my packages to it, |
| 11:09.24 | wols | #debian.log:16:26 < bzed> tarzeau: quilt is a bit better than dpatch, btu I prefer dpatch for small issues |
| 11:09.28 | tarzeau | wols: yes that's great, i hope he can switch that one package too :) |
| 11:09.38 | wols | so ask either of them :) |
| 11:09.43 | tarzeau | wols: i really don't care as long as someone switches it to either one :) |
| 11:09.51 | tarzeau | bzed: ping |
| 11:09.54 | wols | press out their knowledge like the lemons they are :P |
| 11:10.00 | tarzeau | wols: sour? |
| 11:10.08 | wols | squishy |
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| 11:10.44 | tarzeau | wols: like http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/staybrite/sour-puss-lemon-face.gif ? |
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| 11:11.11 | wols | cute. looks like a cat bent on world domination |
| 11:11.25 | Greek-Boy | i found the problem, it was referring wrongly on the default site which is the root |
| 11:11.26 | cydork | heh |
| 11:11.33 | Greek-Boy | i'm too used to apache1 lol |
| 11:11.34 | Onur | hi. I installed gnuchess-book. It's installed to /usr/share/games/gnuchess/book.dat . How can i read this book? |
| 11:12.02 | liable | looks like Brain |
| 11:12.09 | wols | Onur: you can't. |
| 11:12.24 | liable | so whats the point of it? |
| 11:12.27 | wols | it's aon opening library for gnuchess. gives gnuchess various classical openings |
| 11:12.28 | ootput | what's the command to pull neccessary deps to build debs? |
| 11:12.35 | ootput | for a particular tool |
| 11:12.37 | wols | ootput: man apt-get |
| 11:12.39 | ootput | apt-get build-dep? |
| 11:12.45 | artagnon | I have the following line in my /etc/inetd.conf: "6667 stream tcp nowait bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/bitlbee", bitlbee is installed and inetd is running. Still, an nmap on localhost doesn't show the bitlbee server running... Yes, I did try restarting xinetd |
| 11:12.55 | Onur | ok wols i see. Thanks |
| 11:12.56 | wols | Onur: do you play chess? |
| 11:13.13 | wols | if so you should know what an opening book is for chess programs |
| 11:13.15 | Onur | yes |
| 11:13.22 | Onur | hmm |
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| 11:13.36 | Onur | i dont play chess with a pc program |
| 11:13.46 | tarzeau | wols: tried brutalchess ? |
| 11:13.54 | wols | tarzeau: no |
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| 11:13.59 | wols | but onur should |
| 11:14.45 | liable | artagnon: does netstat show inetd listening on the the bitlbee port? do you know how inetd works? |
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| 11:15.31 | liable | artagnon: and did you restart inetd or xinetd? |
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| 11:16.02 | artagnon | "tcp 0 0 localhost:6600 localhost:47625 ESTABLISHED" << Is this what we're looking for? |
| 11:16.11 | artagnon | I restarted inetd sorry |
| 11:16.12 | wols | artagnon: no |
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| 11:16.23 | wols | artagnon: netstat -anp |
| 11:16.26 | artagnon | no, I'm not sure I understand how inted works |
| 11:16.42 | wols | and you should see inetd LISTENING on the bitlbee port |
| 11:17.07 | liable | or established if something has connected |
| 11:17.08 | wols | artagnon: inetd binds t the port and if sometjhing opens that port, it starts the daemon (like bitlbee) and hands over that port to that daemon |
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| 11:17.10 | ootput | artagnon: you're also after something listening on 6667 |
| 11:17.23 | Talisker | what version of debian should I install on a machine with a dual core CPU? |
| 11:17.35 | wols | Talisker: etch. aka current stable |
| 11:17.45 | wols | Talisker: debian 4.0 |
| 11:17.49 | bzed | tarzeau: pong |
| 11:17.57 | Talisker | I want to use the unstable version |
| 11:17.57 | ootput | Talisker: i don't believe testing/unstable will offer you much in the way of speed gains |
| 11:18.05 | Talisker | Oh... |
| 11:18.06 | wols | Talisker: you still should install etch |
| 11:18.10 | artagnon | liable: http://rafb.net/p/Mp2g1d96.html |
| 11:18.12 | ootput | ie, i doubt the 2nd core will be better utilized by unstable software |
| 11:18.34 | Talisker | OK, so I'll get the stable |
| 11:18.38 | wols | Talisker: it definitely won't. only reason to use sid is to get newer vresions. which is currently prtty moot since etch was released last week |
| 11:18.46 | wols | Talisker: and sid breaks. sometimes |
| 11:18.47 | Talisker | But is there an architecture-specific version? |
| 11:18.47 | artagnon | wols: Thanks for the explanation |
| 11:18.50 | artagnon | I understand now |
| 11:18.52 | tarzeau | bzed: you think you can make a working debian package use quilt or dpatch for the changes outside debian/* ? |
| 11:19.01 | xand | Talisker: what CPU? |
| 11:19.07 | artagnon | It's like a start-stop-daemon service |
| 11:19.15 | Talisker | Intel dual core |
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| 11:19.29 | wols | tarzeau: after install, you should however install a kernel compiled for your cpu (e.g. -686 or -k7) |
| 11:19.42 | tarzeau | wols: i make my own kernels (make-kpkg) |
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| 11:20.00 | Talisker | Or should I install a regular i386 version and then install a new kernel? |
| 11:20.02 | tarzeau | wols: like k8-smp-64gb , see !popcon |
| 11:20.11 | cydork | tarzeau: dpatch seems like a good option for you as you just need to have list of patches included. and some changes are needed rules. |
| 11:20.13 | wols | tarzeau: heresy! a debian kernel is good enough for anyone |
| 11:20.19 | xand | Talisker: probably yes |
| 11:20.21 | xand | wols: lies |
| 11:21.24 | bzed | tarzeau: sure, I can. everybody can, it's easy. |
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| 11:21.24 | wols | xand: stop that or I will tell the dbeian inquisition about you. fear their pillows! |
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| 11:21.25 | tarzeau | cydork: my problem is still i can't make this package use dpatch (new lines problem?) |
| 11:21.25 | robin_sz | is it possible to downgrade from etch back to sarge? |
| 11:21.25 | wols | robin_sz: no |
| 11:21.25 | xand | wols: maybe if the debian one had the right drivers compiled in |
| 11:21.25 | tarzeau | wols: it used to be. but nowadays, they don't even run on todays hardware |
| 11:21.25 | robin_sz | wols, oh ... dear. |
| 11:21.25 | bzed | tarzeau: use dpatch-edit-patch, aplly the patch manually |
| 11:21.25 | tarzeau | bzed: :) but will you? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/libfreebasic/libfreebasic_0.16b-1.dsc |
| 11:21.34 | Coke | Hello. I'm currently printing some HTML via firefox, but it insists on adding the filename and date in the footer and header. Any way to remove those or is there another utility in Debian which will make nice postscript from HTML? |
| 11:21.35 | Talisker | I only need the two first CDs, right? |
| 11:21.43 | ootput | i wish there was a way to bring the statusbar up to the menubar in iceweasel |
| 11:21.47 | tarzeau | bzed: i can too, but not this package, i've spent more than an hour and gave up after another |
| 11:21.59 | ootput | it would save me the hassle of finding a way to hide the menubar |
| 11:22.00 | bzed | tarzeau: and where's the patch? |
| 11:22.01 | artagnon | liable: Is anything the matter? |
| 11:22.07 | robin_sz | wols, is it possible to downgrade just some packages back to the originals sarge variants? |
| 11:22.08 | tarzeau | bzed: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/libfreebasic/libfreebasic_0.16b-1.diff.gz |
| 11:22.12 | ootput | as both methods will yield the same screen real estate |
| 11:22.18 | liable | artagnon: paste your inetd line for bitlbee, and show me 'netstat -plunt' output |
| 11:22.20 | tarzeau | bzed: drop the filename from the url for the complete directory listing |
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| 11:22.34 | artagnon | liable: Hang on |
| 11:23.19 | robin_sz | is there some sort of response time for grave bugs in stable? do the maintainers respond in some sort of set time? |
| 11:23.23 | bzed | tarzeau: i know, but which patch do you want to apply? |
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| 11:23.41 | xand | robin_sz: I thought only security bugs were fixed |
| 11:23.53 | liable | robin_sz: unfortunately i think not |
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| 11:24.07 | wols | robin_sz: yes that's possible |
| 11:24.12 | The_Ball | Anyone seen these before? apt-get[4914]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002b94b50070f0 rsp 00007ffff6294dc8 error 4 |
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| 11:24.21 | wols | Coke: file - page setup you can remove the date/time stuff |
| 11:24.28 | The_Ball | apt-get segfaults when updating |
| 11:24.36 | artagnon | liable: http://rafb.net/p/vX853T39.html and http://rafb.net/p/btwTEq31.html // Has what you requested |
| 11:24.37 | tarzeau | bzed: all the changes outside debian/ in the diff.gz |
| 11:26.08 | Coke | wols: thanks! |
| 11:26.48 | liable | artagnon: try 'update-inetd --enable bitlbee' |
| 11:26.54 | ootput | have any of you read the appreciation thread in it's entireity? |
| 11:27.02 | liable | artagnon: then '/etc/init.d/inetd restart' |
| 11:27.16 | ootput | *entirety |
| 11:27.46 | artagnon | liable: Hang on |
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| 11:28.46 | artagnon | liable: nmap still doesn't show 6667 |
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| 11:29.56 | wols | artagnon: nmap ist shit. use netstat |
| 11:30.11 | petemc | i wouldnt say nmap is shit.. |
| 11:30.13 | liable | artagnon: i give in, read the docs and make sure theres nothing in /etc/default for it |
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| 11:30.23 | artagnon | wols: doesn't show up there either |
| 11:30.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.33 | liable | no point in nmapping your own box though |
| 11:30.36 | artagnon | liable: But I did read the docs |
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| 11:30.43 | ootput | wols: has he consulted any log files yet? |
| 11:30.57 | ootput | artagnon: pardon, but have you? |
| 11:31.02 | artagnon | Logs? I should |
| 11:31.02 | wols | ootput: not seend anything. no consult of /etc/inetd.conf either as far as I can see |
| 11:31.15 | artagnon | ootput: Hang on, I'll check |
| 11:31.20 | robin_sz | wols, OK, I oresume its osmethig to do with apt-preferecnces then ... the sarge to etch update broke mod_perl for Apache2 and we are going a bit dippy now as our ReqestTracker ticket system has been down for 5 days becasue of it |
| 11:31.41 | wols | robin_sz: is the mod loaded? |
| 11:31.44 | robin_sz | this is several types of bad |
| 11:31.46 | wols | is it installed? |
| 11:31.48 | robin_sz | wols, wont load |
| 11:31.53 | robin_sz | yes, well no |
| 11:31.53 | wols | and what happens if you try to access a .lpl? |
| 11:32.00 | artagnon | Doesn't inetd log anything? I can't find a logfile |
| 11:32.12 | wols | artagnon: check you inetd.conf |
| 11:32.17 | robin_sz | it screwed up on install |
| 11:32.22 | ootput | artagnon: if worst comes to worst, strace |
| 11:32.24 | wols | if bitlbee is not in there it won't get loaded via inetd.conf |
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| 11:32.34 | robin_sz | wols, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418825 |
| 11:32.35 | wols | robin_sz: more input = more output |
| 11:32.36 | bzed | tarzeau: that source has a stupid CR issue :\ |
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| 11:32.45 | artagnon | ootput: I don't know how to read the output very well, but that's the last resort |
| 11:32.55 | artagnon | wols: I did and I even pasted it for liable |
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| 11:32.59 | artagnon | I'll paste it for you too |
| 11:33.01 | jelly-home | I've downloaded a free (to use) truetype font, how do I install it / register it in defoma? |
| 11:33.45 | artagnon | wols: http://rafb.net/p/btwTEq31.html |
| 11:34.25 | ootput | artagnon: are your groups correct? |
| 11:34.33 | tarzeau | bzed: :) that's what i mean |
| 11:34.33 | ootput | artagnon: vi(pw/gr) |
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| 11:34.38 | tarzeau | bzed: not possible to do with dpatch, right? |
| 11:34.57 | tarzeau | bzed, wols, stew: see? :( any help is welcome |
| 11:35.03 | robin_sz | wols, basically Apache2.pm didn;t get put in any of the directories pointed to by @INC |
| 11:35.12 | ootput | there's not much to bitlbee installation, as everything pretty much works with the vanilla config |
| 11:35.24 | ootput | so it's either a permissions problem |
| 11:35.35 | ootput | or something that I fail to see |
| 11:35.55 | artagnon | ootput: I don't understand that |
| 11:36.02 | bzed | tarzeau: well, the main problem here is that the source is an ms-dos mess |
| 11:36.09 | ootput | artagnon: grep bitlbee /etc/groups |
| 11:36.49 | ootput | grep bitlbee /etc/passwd |
| 11:36.51 | liable | artagnon: i dunno wtf you did, but i just installed bitlbee and its running without having to do anything |
| 11:37.06 | artagnon | [17:05]~: grep bitlbee /etc/passwd |
| 11:37.07 | artagnon | bitlbee:x:104:65534::/var/lib/bitlbee/:/bin/false |
| 11:37.26 | artagnon | That's what I also did |
| 11:37.45 | artagnon | liable: Can I ask dpkg to reinstall both bitlbee and inetd? |
| 11:37.48 | robin_sz | did you make the correct incantations? |
| 11:37.53 | ootput | artagnon: i wasn't here for (probably) most of the conversation |
| 11:37.58 | ootput | artagnon: has it worked in the past? |
| 11:38.00 | bzed | tarzeau: dpatch doesn't handle dos carriage returns. handling that stuff all the time is pain in the ass ... I'd create a debian version fo that package, like libfreebasic-0.16b.debian1 and remove all CRs while repackaging, so you have a clean, useful source. handling all those stupid CRs with patch & co is pain in the ass, although diff supports it with --strip-trailing-cr |
| 11:38.07 | robin_sz | including the part with the goats blood and chicken bones |
| 11:38.14 | artagnon | ootput: Not on this system, but I've used it several times before |
| 11:38.29 | ootput | robin_sz: :) |
| 11:38.57 | tarzeau | bzed: but it works with my debian/* |
| 11:39.12 | tarzeau | bzed: we can't make a debian version of that package |
| 11:39.25 | tarzeau | bzed: repackaging this is not allowed according to my sponsor |
| 11:39.30 | tarzeau | bzed: that's also what i wanted to do |
| 11:39.36 | tarzeau | bzed: must use quilt. can you? |
| 11:39.41 | liable | artagnon: apt-get install --reinstall bitlbee |
| 11:40.17 | bzed | tarzeau: no, never looked into it. you could make your diffs manually and apply them with patch |
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| 11:40.34 | artagnon | liable: It skipped the user/config dir! |
| 11:40.35 | bzed | tarzeau: that will work, if you create the diff files with --strip-trailing-cr |
| 11:40.57 | bzed | tarzeau: but you want to split the diff into several, maintainable pieces |
| 11:40.58 | tarzeau | bzed: i tried that and failed. that's why i look for help in this |
| 11:40.59 | artagnon | liable: That's what I want. I want to replace all the config files and revert it to that of a fresh install |
| 11:41.10 | ootput | artagnon: purge the installation |
| 11:41.14 | ootput | then re-install |
| 11:41.16 | bzed | tarzeau: that worked well for me |
| 11:41.23 | tarzeau | bzed: the changes are not made by me, they are automatic, that's why i don't want to split them at all, or heck even manage them patch like |
| 11:41.27 | ootput | and remove remnants of bitlbee in /var/lib |
| 11:41.29 | tarzeau | bzed: really? can i have your package? |
| 11:41.35 | ootput | or wherever the data profiles are stored |
| 11:41.58 | artagnon | ootput: Okay |
| 11:42.00 | bzed | tarzeau: I didn;t build it. also if you want to maintain a apackge, you need to learn hwo to do those thigns on your own. you need to fix bugs in the next years, remember? |
| 11:42.13 | bzed | tarzeau: and how is the patch generated automatically!? |
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| 11:44.27 | artagnon | liable: Okay, I'll do it right this time. First, you install xinetd and then bitlbee |
| 11:44.36 | artagnon | Then everything should just work, right? |
| 11:44.40 | liable | not xinetd |
| 11:44.52 | liable | inetd is the default in debian |
| 11:44.59 | tarzeau | bzed: see the current package, it just builds, according to debian/rules |
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| 11:45.10 | tarzeau | bzed: i know about what you said before the last sentence |
| 11:45.15 | ootput | artagnon: openbsd-inetd should suffice |
| 11:45.21 | tarzeau | bzed: and i do so, since 4 years? |
| 11:45.22 | bzed | tarzeau: so how did you get the patch in there? |
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| 11:45.34 | tarzeau | bzed: debuild creates those patches automatically |
| 11:45.36 | artagnon | ootput: Ah, okay |
| 11:45.46 | bzed | tarzeau: ah that's what you mean |
| 11:45.48 | tarzeau | bzed: use dh_make, do what you want, debuild -S, voila |
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| 11:46.13 | artagnon | Okay, installed both. Now what? |
| 11:46.34 | ootput | what, openbsd-inetd came default with this etch installation |
| 11:46.40 | ootput | *wait |
| 11:46.41 | HYPOCRISY | fun |
| 11:46.44 | ootput | artagnon: what did you pull in? |
| 11:47.24 | artagnon | Ah! I got it. During the installation: "WARNING: BitlBee port number in debconf and inetd.conf don't match." |
| 11:47.38 | artagnon | ootput: openbsd-inetd and bitlbee |
| 11:47.49 | artagnon | after purging xinetd and bitlbee |
| 11:47.50 | ootput | artagnon: try /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 11:48.04 | artagnon | no no, there's some warning |
| 11:48.09 | artagnon | I'd better correct that |
| 11:48.54 | bzed | tarzeau: hmm, you're patching the configure in the patch, wouldn't be the better way to recreate it? |
| 11:49.05 | tarzeau | bzed: no i'm not patching it |
| 11:49.11 | ootput | artagnon: netstat -lnp |
| 11:49.12 | artagnon | Well, it's fixed |
| 11:49.16 | artagnon | :) |
| 11:49.16 | tarzeau | bzed: it's recreated. look at the debian/rules file please |
| 11:49.27 | artagnon | Thanks a lot liable and ootput and everyone else who helped |
| 11:49.32 | tarzeau | bzed: it's no manual patch, it's all using some tool (dos2unix, and chmods) |
| 11:49.42 | ootput | artagnon: that error message is probably due the fact that the inetd daemon wasn't previously running |
| 11:49.54 | bzed | tarzeau: so how dod you create the patch? |
| 11:49.54 | artagnon | Possibly |
| 11:50.10 | artagnon | ootput: I basically had two inetd daemons without realising it |
| 11:50.11 | bzed | tarzeau: if it was created by using some tools, why don;t you integrate them into the build process? |
| 11:50.11 | tarzeau | bzed: i said debuild. and it was created |
| 11:50.17 | artagnon | kept tinkering with xinetd |
| 11:50.19 | liable | ootput: no, its prolly due to the fact that he said one port during install and anothe in inetd or something |
| 11:50.22 | artagnon | that was the mistake |
| 11:50.28 | tarzeau | bzed: i tried, but it's a problem because of the new lines |
| 11:50.44 | ootput | liable: yeah |
| 11:50.49 | tarzeau | bzed: which dpatch can't handle. that's why i look for someone who can make it with quilt (or with some magic and dpatch) |
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| 11:51.29 | ootput | artagnon: next step would be a chroot tor installation of bitlbee and co. :D |
| 11:51.43 | artagnon | :) |
| 11:51.47 | bzed | tarzeau: that's the completely wrong way imho. having a patch you don;t even know about how it was created is not a good base to package something :\ |
| 11:52.04 | tarzeau | bzed: ok you don't want to understand |
| 11:52.08 | tarzeau | bzed: i know how it's created |
| 11:52.12 | tarzeau | bzed: i know why it's created |
| 11:52.19 | tarzeau | bzed: i just can't manually apply it with quilt |
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| 11:54.26 | bzed | tarzeau: if you knwo HOW it was created, you could do tose steps int he build process. |
| 11:54.35 | tarzeau | bzed: i don't know quilt |
| 11:54.49 | bzed | I think you dont;l want to understand me |
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| 11:55.01 | tarzeau | bzed: it's created using diff.. the thing is, the original files are not dos2unix'd , that's done during build time |
| 11:55.08 | tarzeau | bzed: AFTER the patches are generated |
| 11:55.23 | tarzeau | bzed: you've found out yourself, with dpatch |
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| 11:56.20 | asad2005 | I want to add /dev/ttyS4 but MAKEDEV gives an error that udev is running ? can anyone help me creat /dev/ttyS4 |
| 11:56.34 | greatme | how do I change the language of GNOME ? |
| 11:56.43 | tarzeau | asad2005: check /etc/udev/* ? |
| 11:56.44 | ve1drg | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 11:56.58 | tarzeau | greatme: using the gnome control center? |
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| 11:57.26 | greatme | tarzeau: is it possible from the control center? |
| 11:57.32 | ootput | how do i make use of terminus-console font? I've tried editing /etc/console-tools/config to no avail |
| 11:57.34 | tarzeau | greatme: i think so |
| 11:57.44 | tarzeau | ootput: i think it's for x only |
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| 11:57.57 | tarzeau | ootput: you'd have to convert it to be a bitmap font loadable in the console |
| 11:57.58 | greatme | tarzeau: well... I don't think so :( |
| 11:58.17 | asad2005 | tarzeau, several rules files are there but then what ? |
| 11:58.35 | tarzeau | asad2005: grep for ttyS and adapt the right one? |
| 11:58.47 | tarzeau | greatme: i don't know then, try #gnome on irc.gnome.org or the manual? |
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| 11:59.04 | greatme | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:59.32 | asad2005 | tarzeau, do u mean search inside all files for ttyS ? |
| 12:00.06 | tarzeau | asad2005: yes using grep |
| 12:00.15 | tarzeau | asad2005: grep * ttyS is the command |
| 12:00.28 | ootput | tarzeau: i remember using a terminus font for the console that was available in the repos |
| 12:00.43 | tarzeau | ootput: you can search for files at packages.debian.org |
| 12:00.45 | ootput | i've installed a package, but I'm not entire sure if it'll be console-capable |
| 12:00.55 | tarzeau | ootput: which package is that_ |
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| 12:00.57 | ootput | tarzeau: yeah, i have. there's not much in the way of terminus fonts |
| 12:01.15 | tarzeau | ootput: i've always used www.linuks.mine.nu/fonts/ocr.fnt one |
| 12:01.51 | ootput | tarzeau: console-terminus |
| 12:01.51 | bzed | tarzeau: did you patch anythign on the build process in general? |
| 12:01.51 | tarzeau | bzed: no |
| 12:01.55 | bzed | tarzeau: because gcc fails on it on amd64 |
| 12:02.00 | tarzeau | ootput: it's an x font |
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| 12:02.12 | tarzeau | bzed: which version of gcc? |
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| 12:02.21 | tarzeau | bzed: i don't have amd64 and can't check it. got build logs? |
| 12:02.25 | bzed | tarzeau: 4.1 |
| 12:02.29 | ootput | tarzeau: i don't think it is |
| 12:02.33 | bzed | tarzeau: I have removed your patch, though |
| 12:02.34 | ootput | xfonts-terminus already exists |
| 12:02.39 | tarzeau | ootput: what is the filename of the font? |
| 12:02.43 | ootput | tarzeau: i'll try to figure it out |
| 12:02.54 | ootput | tarzeau: of what I'm trying to use in console-tools? |
| 12:03.07 | tarzeau | ootput: i don't know, i always use setfont some.fnt |
| 12:03.10 | bzed | tarzeau: I think using that patch is not the right way at all. I'd look a bit for into it for you if it would build at all here |
| 12:03.12 | Insolit | bzed: could you show me the link to install NVIDIA a few hours ago? |
| 12:03.15 | ootput | tarzeau: ter-v16b |
| 12:03.25 | asad2005 | tarzeau, is there a space between * and ttyS |
| 12:03.30 | bzed | !tell Insolit about nvidia_experimental |
| 12:03.49 | Insolit | thanks :D |
| 12:03.52 | Insolit | let's try it then |
| 12:04.00 | Insolit | and for legacy drivers? |
| 12:04.06 | tarzeau | ootput: or consolechars |
| 12:04.17 | tarzeau | ootput: but the filename as in dpkg -L package |
| 12:04.21 | tarzeau | asad2005: yes |
| 12:04.29 | Insolit | bzed: are you sure it's worth to give a try to an experimental version? |
| 12:04.39 | tarzeau | bzed: my package builds fine here, can you put the build log online? |
| 12:04.49 | asad2005 | tarzeau, grep: ttyS: No such file or directory |
| 12:05.04 | h3sp4wn | Insolit: which legacy version 9631 ? |
| 12:05.23 | Insolit | tu support geforce 4, geforce2 |
| 12:05.29 | FuzzyB | anyone know if it's possible to clone a logical volume while it's in use @ the lvm level? |
| 12:05.34 | Insolit | older nvidia video cards |
| 12:05.41 | bzed | Insolit: works well for me. if you're using experimental anyway - as you told me - it shouldn;t be a problem for you |
| 12:05.41 | h3sp4wn | Insolit: no longer exists (except on snapshot.debian.net) |
| 12:05.46 | tarzeau | asad2005: grep ttyS * in /etc/udev/ ? |
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| 12:06.16 | Insolit | h3sp4wn: it's bad that it does not exist, since newer drivers don't support older cards |
| 12:06.27 | ootput | tarzeau: bear with me a sec |
| 12:06.48 | liable | bare |
| 12:06.58 | asad2005 | tarzeau, yes but * before ttyS not after |
| 12:07.06 | liable | badgers: bear ootput |
| 12:07.18 | h3sp4wn | Insolit: the version in etch / lenny / unstable supports those cards though |
| 12:07.33 | tarzeau | asad2005: that's wrong, must be after ttyS |
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| 12:07.37 | tarzeau | asad2005: see man grep |
| 12:07.44 | h3sp4wn | Insolit: just get 9631 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:07.53 | MatBoy | is it already possible that Linux can share the alsa drivers ? I have vmware running with windows and I want to be able to use sound there and run amarok at the same time in Linux |
| 12:08.10 | Insolit | i just wish now to know how to recognize older cards from newer ones |
| 12:08.12 | asad2005 | tarzeau, /etc/udev# grep ttyS * gives no result |
| 12:08.18 | ootput | liable: no it's not! |
| 12:08.23 | tarzeau | asad2005: i don't know then, sorry |
| 12:08.55 | ootput | liable: that would be an invitation to undress |
| 12:09.19 | ootput | liable: i'm a bit wary of seeing tarzeau naked |
| 12:09.28 | h3sp4wn | Insolit: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/nvidia-glx (you want 9631) |
| 12:09.39 | Insolit | ok thanks h3sp4wn |
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| 12:09.58 | liable | ootput: ask him to put his hair in pony tails |
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| 12:10.09 | Insolit | btw bzed rsync -n --size-only -av source destiny allows you to check changed files :D |
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| 12:12.56 | ootput | liable: it seems you have managed to silence the whole room |
| 12:13.17 | ootput | haha |
| 12:14.44 | liable | i have that affect on people |
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| 12:16.31 | klikklak | can anyone help with printing questions? My new (used) canon lbp-1760 doesn't show up automatically nor does it print out anything when I load parport modules (during boot up), due to this printing a test page or anything doesn't work. |
| 12:16.44 | klikklak | doesn't show up in cups I meant |
| 12:17.08 | FuzzyB | search for the linux printing site |
| 12:17.14 | FuzzyB | and make sure your printer is listed first |
| 12:17.19 | FuzzyB | it's like linuxprinting.org or something |
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| 12:19.32 | klikklak | FuzzyB: it's listed as 'perfect' support with pxlmono |
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| 12:20.07 | FuzzyB | did you install foomatic-db? |
| 12:20.09 | klikklak | FuzzyB: it does say that it has "No known autodetection signatures." |
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| 12:20.30 | klikklak | FuzzyB: yes |
| 12:20.36 | FuzzyB | then point your webroswer to http://llocalhost:631/ and configure it by hand |
| 12:20.40 | FuzzyB | err |
| 12:20.49 | FuzzyB | http://localhost:631/ |
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| 12:21.20 | fasta | Can I tell a router in anyway to request an IP change to my ISP? |
| 12:21.22 | ootput | you're allowed only one |
| 12:21.35 | FuzzyB | fasta: hup dhclient |
| 12:21.45 | FuzzyB | oh |
| 12:21.56 | klikklak | FuzzyB: at 'device for xxx' it doesn't display parallel, but only ipp, jetdirect, etc. network options |
| 12:21.58 | FuzzyB | no you can't but you can re obtain the lease |
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| 12:22.13 | ootput | fasta: expire your current lease |
| 12:22.30 | ootput | fasta: which connection type? |
| 12:22.34 | Shai_____ | "Now dowbloading tool to test for internet connectivity" 0_o, stupid distro [not Debian] |
| 12:22.36 | FuzzyB | klikklak: google for a cups parallel howto |
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| 12:22.48 | ff | ;) |
| 12:22.55 | klikklak | FuzzyB: I've read quite a bit already, but I guess I'll do more of it.. |
| 12:23.01 | klikklak | FuzzyB: thanks anyway |
| 12:23.10 | ootput | Shai_____: ominous start |
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| 12:24.40 | fasta | ootput: I think it's PPPoE xDSL |
| 12:25.02 | giupy_ | can i create an sub disk debia installation from a pc running debian ? |
| 12:25.07 | giupy_ | usb |
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| 12:26.52 | ootput | giupy_: you mean a duplicate of your running system? |
| 12:27.06 | ootput | or a home-brew usb flavor? |
| 12:27.54 | giupy_ | ootput well, the best way for install debina on usb disk, because my notebook doesnìt have anymore hds |
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| 12:28.23 | giupy_ | ootput my actually installtion can be usefull |
| 12:28.52 | ootput | giupy_: you can debootstrap to the usb |
| 12:29.00 | fasta | ootput: actually I think I have a fixed IP address, which answers my question negatively. |
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| 12:29.07 | giupy_ | ootput well, how? and for lilo ? |
| 12:29.40 | ootput | giupy_: but a simple rsync (or whichever transfer mechanism you prefer) with your current system as the source should also work |
| 12:29.50 | ootput | fasta: :) |
| 12:30.15 | giupy_ | ootput and wich where can i put lilo , and how ? |
| 12:31.24 | ootput | giupy_: one moment |
| 12:31.29 | giupy_ | and after i need to make a new lilo.conf to see the root |
| 12:31.31 | giupy_ | ootput ok |
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| 12:32.47 | ootput | giupy_: http://tinyurl.com/ynnzrg |
| 12:33.02 | giupy_ | ootput i go |
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| 12:33.04 | ootput | giupy_: i couldn't seem to find the precise url, so a google cache will have to do |
| 12:34.37 | giupy_ | ootput thanks i try that way |
| 12:34.38 | ootput | giupy_: it'll be grub-specific |
| 12:34.38 | ootput | but if you want to work with lilo, you're more than welcome to |
| 12:34.38 | ootput | (i.e, your loss :D) |
| 12:34.38 | giupy_ | ootput yeah i prefer it :) |
| 12:35.06 | ootput | giupy_: ah, here it is: http://www.go2linux.org/node/34 |
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| 12:37.12 | giupy_ | apt-get doesn't find shred |
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| 12:38.01 | stew | giupy_: /usr/bin/shred is in coreutils |
| 12:38.14 | giupy_ | ah thanks |
| 12:38.16 | giupy_ | :) |
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| 12:39.28 | smhar | normally, when a new testing branch is started after the Debian Release, things are unstable :-) for a while, is it the same with lenny? |
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| 12:40.13 | FuzzyB | yea |
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| 12:40.17 | FuzzyB | so stay with etch |
| 12:42.12 | giupy_ | well, i'm debootstraping :)) |
| 12:42.20 | ootput | giupy_: fun, isn't it? |
| 12:42.25 | FuzzyB | good for you |
| 12:42.35 | FuzzyB | i'm cloning xen guests |
| 12:42.45 | ootput | also fun |
| 12:42.52 | FuzzyB | yea |
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| 12:43.14 | smhar | FuzzyB, I've been running etch for a long time before the final release, and I found very few problems, so I am not strange or afraid of Testing, and I am not looking for server stability, as for my server I already migrated from a very old slackware to debian Etch, after the release. |
| 12:43.19 | giupy_ | ootput i'll know it after boot on notebook :) |
| 12:43.40 | pearl | hm, is lenny the new name of the unstable port? |
| 12:43.43 | pearl | aehm |
| 12:43.46 | pearl | testing port |
| 12:43.48 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 12:43.56 | ootput | giupy_: don't follow those instructions to the t |
| 12:43.56 | smhar | FuzzyB, I am only talking about problems that render the system unusable, not a small problem here and there |
| 12:44.12 | ootput | giupy_: make sure you modify it to suit your system specs |
| 12:44.12 | FuzzyB | smhar: afraid or not, etch has only been out less than a month. What do you expect to find in lenny that etch isn't going to give you? |
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| 12:44.32 | FuzzyB | other than frustration and headaches? |
| 12:44.39 | ootput | smhar: which slackware? |
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| 12:44.47 | smhar | FuzzyB, well, maybe you are right |
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| 12:44.52 | FuzzyB | i know i'm right |
| 12:45.00 | giupy_ | ootput yep thanks |
| 12:45.01 | FuzzyB | i'm just hoping you can see why |
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| 12:45.56 | ootput | if you were happy with testing during the previous release, there's no reason to go with testing now. |
| 12:46.02 | h3sp4wn | It takes along time for the new stuff to get to testing often |
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| 12:46.12 | h3sp4wn | (well 10 days always) |
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| 12:46.15 | ootput | i.e, if software version bumps were all that you were after, etch should be fine |
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| 12:47.07 | smhar | ootput, I don't remember, 7 or 8, it was running itself for ages :-) solid system P 200Mhz with 64MB and 120GBHD that even BIOS doesn't recognize |
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| 12:47.37 | ootput | i love old release |
| 12:47.39 | ootput | s |
| 12:47.40 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
| 12:47.44 | ootput | moreso on older hardware |
| 12:47.58 | boocha | This is in /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 12:48.02 | stuffs | I get a lot of errors when attempting to install packages from aptitude, the problem was caused by things that I attemted to instal previously. |
| 12:48.04 | stuffs | Let me paste. |
| 12:48.44 | stuffs | http://pastebin.ca/442714 |
| 12:48.48 | ootput | smhar: have you been tracking slackware progress for a while? |
| 12:49.05 | stuffs | The error about reportbug and the sun java documentation. |
| 12:49.12 | stuffs | How can I clean that up? |
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| 12:50.09 | smhar | ootput, no, I remember the release of 10.1 that I though I will download and update my system to, but I go busy in other stuff. |
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| 12:50.44 | giupy_ | with debootstrap i'll install all software i have installed in my pc on the new hd too ? |
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| 12:51.28 | ootput | giupy_: you should mount bind your apt cache to avoid re-downloading all the packages |
| 12:51.30 | debian | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 12:51.33 | debian | ??? |
| 12:51.47 | ootput | giupy_: i'd suggest you go for the bare-essentials for the time being |
| 12:51.49 | h3sp4wn | !b-e |
| 12:51.49 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
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| 12:51.57 | ootput | giupy_: you'll want to make sure everything works after boot |
| 12:52.17 | stuffs | anyone? |
| 12:52.19 | solar_sea | Is there a way to lock the mouse inside a window ? (I know that's not very debian-related ..) |
| 12:52.27 | giupy_ | ootput is there a option for bootstrap for that ? |
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| 12:53.04 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
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| 12:53.29 | ootput | giupy_: for which? |
| 12:53.58 | giupy_ | ootput for debootstraping a base install only instead of my full installation |
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| 12:54.22 | ootput | giupy_: debootstrap will only give you a base install |
| 12:54.40 | giupy_ | ootput oh well, i'm on the right way so |
| 12:55.24 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
| 12:55.25 | ootput | giupy_: i hope everything goes well for you |
| 12:55.31 | ootput | gn # |
| 12:55.36 | giupy_ | ootput i hope too, thanks :) |
| 12:56.44 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
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| 13:01.16 | artagnon | I have a problem with my bitlbee server. The moment I connect to it from my irc client, it disconnects almost immediately for some reason. How do I diagnose the problem? |
| 13:01.38 | artagnon | 18:29 -!- Irssi: Connection to localhost established |
| 13:01.38 | artagnon | 18:29 -!- Irssi: Connection lost to localhost |
| 13:01.42 | artagnon | Like that |
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| 13:03.39 | pearl | artagnon: find out on which port bitlbee is listen |
| 13:03.45 | stuffs | can someone help me with these errors? http://pastebin.ca/442714 |
| 13:03.47 | pearl | take a look at the config file |
| 13:04.05 | artagnon | pearl: 6667 |
| 13:05.30 | pearl | stuffs: paste your sources.list on pastebin please |
| 13:05.43 | pearl | artagnon: telnet to this port works? |
| 13:05.50 | stuffs | pearl, will do |
| 13:06.07 | stuffs | http://pastebin.ca/442740 |
| 13:06.48 | artagnon | pearl: I'll have to get telnet first |
| 13:06.50 | artagnon | one sec |
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| 13:08.22 | artagnon | pearl: Yes, I can telnet it. But again, connection is lost immediately |
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| 13:09.16 | pearl | damn, stuffs |
| 13:09.27 | pearl | comment out this unstable and testing lines |
| 13:09.32 | pearl | u cant use all together |
| 13:09.43 | liable | artagnon: i presume bittlbee logs it somewhere, check /var/log |
| 13:09.59 | liable | !u |
| 13:09.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:10.13 | artagnon | liable: one sec |
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| 13:10.17 | stuffs | Hell, double entry. Pearl. Didn't evne notice that either. |
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| 13:10.29 | debian | hello |
| 13:10.57 | stuffs | pearl, ok i still get those errors |
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| 13:11.11 | artagnon | liable: I can't find any logs |
| 13:11.15 | etch | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c |
| 13:11.15 | etch | checking whether build environment is sane... yes |
| 13:11.16 | etch | checking for gawk... gawk |
| 13:11.16 | etch | checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes |
| 13:11.16 | etch | checking for gcc... gcc |
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| 13:11.20 | HYPOCRISY | why kick me? |
| 13:11.23 | selim | does someone know if the etch mysql package supports ssl connections? |
| 13:11.31 | liable | artagnon: /var/log/messages or daemon.log? |
| 13:11.38 | FuzzyB | selim: it should |
| 13:11.39 | pearl | stuffs: apt-get clean |
| 13:11.41 | pearl | apt-get upfate |
| 13:11.44 | pearl | apt-get update |
| 13:12.00 | pearl | maybe apt-get -f install |
| 13:12.23 | stuffs | I'm using aptitude. |
| 13:12.25 | selim | FuzzyB: where can I find some informations about this package? |
| 13:12.27 | stuffs | And I still get errors. |
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| 13:12.33 | FuzzyB | packages.debian.org |
| 13:12.37 | giupy-away | how can i put lilo on the usb disk now? lilo /dev/sdb for MBR ? |
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| 13:12.53 | pearl | stuffs: then use apt-get now :) |
| 13:12.53 | artagnon | liable: daemon.log it is. I found the problem too. /usr/local/sbin/bitlbee: No such file or directory |
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| 13:12.57 | deb | hello |
| 13:12.57 | pearl | for correcting this problem |
| 13:13.00 | artagnon | It's in /usr/sbin |
| 13:13.01 | deb | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 13:13.11 | deb | I've got gcc |
| 13:13.15 | wols | deb: apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:13.17 | artagnon | I'll correct it myself now. Thanks for your help once again liable |
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| 13:13.23 | wols | you don't have bintools |
| 13:13.23 | deb | and buil-essential |
| 13:13.24 | liable | np |
| 13:13.33 | stuffs | pearl, i still get them |
| 13:13.38 | wols | deb: I don't believe you |
| 13:13.42 | selim | FuzzyB: hmm, I can't find any hint about ssl support in mysql-common |
| 13:13.43 | giupy-away | eheh |
| 13:13.52 | pearl | stuffs: you've do a apt-get clean? |
| 13:13.56 | stuffs | pearl, yes |
| 13:14.00 | pearl | hm, k |
| 13:14.09 | pearl | look the errors different or exactly same? |
| 13:14.18 | pearl | i think u have broke ur package manaer =D |
| 13:14.23 | deb | i've got gcc g++ c++ buld-essential but ./configure = checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 13:14.29 | stuffs | pearl, i do it a lot |
| 13:14.35 | stuffs | pearl, they look different |
| 13:14.38 | \amethyst | deb: check the config.log |
| 13:14.55 | wols | deb: dpkg -l binutils |
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| 13:15.22 | liable | !cannot create executables |
| 13:15.22 | stuffs | pearl, http://pastebin.ca/442758 |
| 13:15.22 | dpkg | The error "C compiler cannot create executables" means you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:15.27 | stuffs | that's the current error with apt-gt |
| 13:15.41 | deb | config.log = gcc --version </dev/null >&5 |
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| 13:15.53 | wols | liable: but, but, but, he has build-essnetial installed! |
| 13:16.07 | wols | deb: three is more to it than that |
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| 13:16.14 | wols | deb: and you haven't answered my question |
| 13:16.22 | wols | or rather: done what I told you |
| 13:16.38 | wols | deb: what debian version btw? |
| 13:16.43 | deb | etch |
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| 13:17.47 | deb | exscuse me wolf |
| 13:17.51 | deb | wols |
| 13:18.04 | alleyoopster | hi folks, what packages would be best to install to see CD's automount in XFCE and show in Thunar? (thunar_volman hasn't made it to debian yet) |
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| 13:18.53 | deb | the output is more long wols |
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| 13:19.42 | selim | FuzzyB: and openssl package isn't needed for mysql-server |
| 13:19.56 | selim | FuzzyB: are you sure that mysql supports ssl? |
| 13:20.04 | wols | !tell deb about paster |
| 13:20.14 | FuzzyB | what did i say selim |
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| 13:20.34 | FuzzyB | i don't see why it shouldn't be there. I didn't say for a fact that it was or wasnt |
| 13:20.54 | FuzzyB | but now that you've done your own research, you now know |
| 13:21.11 | repyskichboarder | hello, when I do the login, gdm load the desktop for a while then he crash and I have to do again and again the login |
| 13:21.21 | repyskichboarder | how can I resolve this? |
| 13:21.31 | repyskichboarder | I've tried recovery mode of gnome |
| 13:21.34 | selim | FuzzyB: maybe I'm just to blind to see the correct information, any idea where it could found in fact? |
| 13:21.38 | repyskichboarder | but it always crash |
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| 13:21.54 | liable | repyskichboarder: you need to read your xorg log |
| 13:21.57 | FuzzyB | selim: installing it, finding a howto to enable ssl, and testing it for yourself isn't good enough? |
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| 13:22.02 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 13:22.04 | repyskichboarder | liable: ok |
| 13:22.06 | repyskichboarder | thanks |
| 13:22.14 | TomyLobo | is there a defragger for ext3 yet? |
| 13:22.19 | FuzzyB | no neecd |
| 13:22.21 | FuzzyB | no need |
| 13:22.26 | TomyLobo | yes need :) |
| 13:22.34 | selim | FuzzyB: the problem is I have to know it before I install it on a productive system |
| 13:22.37 | liable | repyskichboarder: you know how to do that from console? |
| 13:22.49 | wols | TomyLobo: defrag? |
| 13:22.51 | TomyLobo | i deleted a lot of stuff after installing everything |
| 13:23.03 | stew | !defrag |
| 13:23.03 | dpkg | from memory, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 13:23.06 | TomyLobo | so i probably have a lot of free space in between |
| 13:23.26 | wols | stew: but this is wrong |
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| 13:23.30 | TomyLobo | i dont know if VMWare can reclaim that space |
| 13:23.43 | wols | I know that my xfs partitons has lots of chunks per file |
| 13:23.46 | stew | there used to be something funnier there |
| 13:23.46 | TomyLobo | it can probably reclaim unused space at the end of the disk though |
| 13:23.58 | stew | TomyLobo: reclaim? |
| 13:24.07 | praecox | has Debian Etch got any limit regarding user name length? |
| 13:24.12 | wols | TomyLobo: vmware doesn't need contigous space |
| 13:24.27 | praecox | the only one account I've got problem with has 14 letters. |
| 13:24.30 | TomyLobo | not? how does it know what's free? |
| 13:24.41 | praecox | and in 'ps' I see only its uid, not login name. |
| 13:24.44 | praecox | is it normal? |
| 13:24.56 | wols | TomyLobo: cause you have a filesystem |
| 13:25.06 | giupy_ | mmm i recive this when i run lilo on debootstrap on new hd "Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sdb") |
| 13:25.21 | TomyLobo | so vmware can analyse all the 1000 different file systems? |
| 13:25.38 | TomyLobo | and only store what's actually used? |
| 13:25.54 | liable | praecox: i recall something about usernames longer than 8 letters |
| 13:26.02 | wols | TomyLobo: what do you mean exactly? |
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| 13:26.21 | wols | you create a XXX sized vmware image and that is what is used on the host disk |
| 13:26.30 | TomyLobo | wols i mean how does vmware know which parts of the disk are free? |
| 13:26.32 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 13:26.32 | wols | since this is a normal file it can't be fragmented |
| 13:26.41 | alleyoopster | anybody using xfce? |
| 13:26.43 | repyskichboarder | liable: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 13:26.49 | wols | which parts where? inside our outside? |
| 13:26.50 | liable | repyskichboarder: yup |
| 13:26.50 | repyskichboarder | is it ok? |
| 13:26.53 | repyskichboarder | Ok |
| 13:26.56 | TomyLobo | i want to save some space so i can put my VM on an usb stick :) |
| 13:27.07 | wols | then resize the parttion |
| 13:27.22 | TomyLobo | that'd need defragmentation |
| 13:27.25 | repyskichboarder | liable: I have to search something with (EE)? |
| 13:27.30 | TomyLobo | actually no real defragmentation |
| 13:27.32 | wols | I told you: defrag |
| 13:27.33 | TomyLobo | just condensing |
| 13:27.43 | wols | !info defrag |
| 13:27.46 | dpkg | defrag: (ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.73pjm1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 13:27.49 | TomyLobo | i.e. cramming everything to the start of the disk |
| 13:28.03 | liable | repyskichboarder: thats a good start, but x seems to be starting, so it may not be an EE line. also check /var/log/gdm |
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| 13:28.20 | TomyLobo | otherwise i cant resize the partition, right? |
| 13:28.48 | repyskichboarder | liable: an error in xorg log is Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 13:29.14 | liable | repyskichboarder: that shouldnt be fatal |
| 13:29.39 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 13:29.47 | repyskichboarder | in xorg there is no more error |
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| 13:30.35 | giupy_ | mmm i recive this when i run lilo on debootstrap on new hd "Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sdb") |
| 13:30.43 | giupy_ | how can i put lilo on my hd usb? |
| 13:30.59 | pearl | giupy_: just run lilo? |
| 13:31.07 | pearl | giupy_: lilo /dev/sdax |
| 13:31.11 | repyskichboarder | so, the gdm's log is in /var/log/gdm ? |
| 13:31.15 | giupy_ | pearl it says that |
| 13:31.21 | liable | repyskichboarder: yep |
| 13:32.29 | repyskichboarder | it's a directory |
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| 13:32.57 | liable | repyskichboarder: yes, theres logs inside it |
| 13:33.30 | giupy_ | how can i be sure that usb disk is bootable and lilo properly installed ? |
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| 13:34.44 | repyskichboarder | liable: which log should I read? :0.log :0.log.1 ,*.3 ,*.4 , :20.log ? |
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| 13:34.57 | liable | repyskichboarder: 0 |
| 13:35.01 | schme | Oh the joys of Debian. aptitude install gnu-smalltalk-el removes gnu-smalltalk . horray! |
| 13:35.22 | liable | for a good reason one would imagine |
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| 13:35.42 | rgsteele | schme: Debian sort of has the notion of roles - if one package satisfies the role, it mutually excludes the others. |
| 13:35.47 | rgsteele | And, as liable said, for good reason. |
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| 13:36.40 | schme | Seeing how gnu-smalltalk-el is the emacs interface to gnu-smalltalk and the gst binary is removed so M-x gst-mode that gnu-smalltalk-el supplies won't work.. well.. It must be a helluva good reason. |
| 13:36.52 | repyskichboarder | liable: there is the error of IAGLX about the screen that is not DRI capable |
| 13:36.52 | cbr | hi, where was the page where you could download any debian package version ever made or smth? |
| 13:36.55 | schme | 'cause it pretty much makes it so I can't use any of the packages ;) |
| 13:36.58 | repyskichboarder | and a warning |
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| 13:37.17 | liable | repyskichboarder: thats it? |
| 13:37.23 | repyskichboarder | from XKEYBOARD compiler |
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| 13:37.40 | repyskichboarder | it doesen't seems dangerouse |
| 13:37.43 | Thms | !etch->lenny |
| 13:37.43 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 13:37.44 | liable | cbr: snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:38.09 | schme | rgsteele: That logic would work if gnu-smalltalk-el took the role of gnu-smalltalk, ya. But it's just elisp to interface with gnu-smalltalk.. which was removed :D |
| 13:38.17 | TomyLobo | how stable is lenny? |
| 13:38.22 | giupy_ | oh well, on my pc i have a scsi disk that is seen like sda and so my usb disk is sdb, when i try to install a mbr on usb disk for booting on a notebook i must use sda or sdb on lilo.conf ? |
| 13:38.27 | cbr | liable: thanks |
| 13:38.32 | TomyLobo | better or worse than etch? |
| 13:38.49 | repyskichboarder | AUDIT:/*date*/ : 3531 X: client 2 rejected from local host |
| 13:39.04 | liable | TomyLobo: not to bad atm afaik, but likely to get a little flaky in the next couple of weeks with a flood of new packages |
| 13:39.06 | schme | Etch is Stable.. Won't get more stable from Lenny. :) |
| 13:39.09 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
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| 13:40.01 | schme | So how do I make aptitude ignore the dependencies? |
| 13:40.50 | Knight_Lord | I have 2 RAID5 array using 3Ware 9550 SX cards. What's the best way to fuse them in a single filesystem for backup purposes? |
| 13:40.55 | FernandoMM | Hello i have a qemu img with a debian system inside. This qemu image have 4gb but only 400mb is used. How can i resize this image so i can copy with dd inside my 1gb pendrive? |
| 13:41.16 | Knight_Lord | I can put software raid0 on top or LVM. What do you reccomend? |
| 13:41.45 | TomyLobo | Knight_Lord 2 raid5 into one array? erm isnt that a bit overdoing if you just want more safety? |
| 13:41.52 | FuzzyB | raid 6 |
| 13:42.01 | repyskichboarder | any advice? |
| 13:42.04 | TomyLobo | yeah was gonna look that up too |
| 13:42.24 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: concat raid 0 |
| 13:42.40 | Knight_Lord | TomyLobo the card is only 8 port and i have 15 disks |
| 13:42.41 | FuzzyB | will "glue" the two raid 5's together |
| 13:42.49 | TomyLobo | oh |
| 13:42.50 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB what's concat raid0? |
| 13:42.54 | FuzzyB | rtfm |
| 13:43.02 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB the mdadm manual? |
| 13:43.04 | repyskichboarder | liable: ? how can I make gdm run? |
| 13:43.04 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 13:43.07 | cbr | opensc_0.11.0-1_i386.deb |
| 13:43.08 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB ok thanks |
| 13:43.09 | FuzzyB | np |
| 13:43.10 | cbr | can't find this file :( |
| 13:43.18 | FuzzyB | repyskichboarder: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 13:43.35 | wols | schme: you don't |
| 13:43.50 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB just another question. Have you ever used bitmap in mdadm arrays? If so do you recommend? |
| 13:43.55 | liable | repyskichboarder: is this a desktop box or a server that you connect to? |
| 13:43.57 | TomyLobo | wols there is no defrag package here (etch, using ftp.uk.debian.org) |
| 13:43.59 | repyskichboarder | FuzzyB: after the login it crash |
| 13:44.08 | wols | !info defrag etch |
| 13:44.08 | FuzzyB | then it's not gdm |
| 13:44.11 | repyskichboarder | liable: it's a laptop |
| 13:44.18 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: stby |
| 13:44.18 | repyskichboarder | Ok |
| 13:44.25 | bzed | Knight_Lord: you do NOT put raid 0 or any raid on top of lvm |
| 13:44.34 | bzed | Knight_Lord: except you want to loose your data |
| 13:44.50 | FuzzyB | what bzed said |
| 13:44.50 | Knight_Lord | bzed it was the other way around |
| 13:44.54 | bzed | Knight_Lord: lvm is all you need in your case |
| 13:45.01 | Knight_Lord | bitmap on the mdadm |
| 13:45.09 | bzed | Knight_Lord: i assume the raid controllers do the raid? |
| 13:45.17 | Knight_Lord | This is a software raid5 question |
| 13:45.24 | wols | TomyLobo: seems it's in sarge, lenny and sid, but not etch :( |
| 13:45.26 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: which is what i have, i have soft raid 6 with lvm ontop of that |
| 13:45.37 | bzed | Knight_Lord: then create the raid5 on your drives with md and add lvm on top of it |
| 13:45.41 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB so do you use the bitmap for faster reconstruction? |
| 13:45.44 | TomyLobo | argh ^^ |
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| 13:45.57 | FuzzyB | i don't think ihave a choice |
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| 13:46.08 | giupy_ | i try to boot from usb disk and i recive "Disk read error" |
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| 13:46.16 | TomyLobo | but nm it doesnt say it does ext3 anyway |
| 13:46.19 | liable | repyskichboarder: thats a bit weird with your logs mentioning the :0 and the error about client 1 |
| 13:46.29 | repyskichboarder | After the login I see the desktop for a while, then it crash and I see again the login |
| 13:46.37 | bzed | Knight_Lord: and don't try to use md raid 0 on top of the raid 5, just use lvm |
| 13:46.41 | liable | clent 2 |
| 13:46.46 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: what bzed said |
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| 13:46.52 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: FYI: http://rafb.net/p/jRR5oB56.html |
| 13:46.53 | Knight_Lord | bzed why not? |
| 13:47.07 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: because it's a useless layer |
| 13:47.11 | FuzzyB | that's not nessicary |
| 13:47.12 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB thank you |
| 13:47.30 | Knight_Lord | Not exactly useless, it might actually even speed things up |
| 13:47.30 | TomyLobo | because 2 levels of raid mean less safety than one big layer |
| 13:47.31 | FuzzyB | just do what he said, make each raid 5 into a vg |
| 13:47.33 | FuzzyB | err |
| 13:47.37 | FuzzyB | pv |
| 13:47.38 | TomyLobo | with the same speed and size |
| 13:47.42 | FuzzyB | and make one vg from the two pv's |
| 13:47.46 | FuzzyB | then assign your lv's out of the vg |
| 13:47.47 | TomyLobo | not always, but at least |
| 13:47.52 | Knight_Lord | TomyLobo that's a good point |
| 13:47.58 | TomyLobo | at least the same safety |
| 13:48.09 | Knight_Lord | I must confess i'm a bit afraid of LVM as i've never used it before |
| 13:48.19 | FuzzyB | in this day and age don't fear it |
| 13:48.21 | Knight_Lord | What man page should i read for lvm? |
| 13:48.22 | FuzzyB | the tools are nice |
| 13:48.25 | FuzzyB | and they work well |
| 13:48.32 | FuzzyB | lvm |
| 13:48.37 | FuzzyB | man lvm maybe? |
| 13:48.39 | repyskichboarder | liable: can re-intsall gdm? |
| 13:49.15 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB lvm2 package right? |
| 13:49.19 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 13:49.31 | bzed | Knight_Lord: because it's slow and buggy |
| 13:49.32 | liable | repyskichboarder: you can yes. what have you done with x since you installed that may have caused this? |
| 13:49.33 | Knight_Lord | Ok thanks for all the help |
| 13:49.43 | Knight_Lord | bzed mdadm is slow and buggy? |
| 13:49.55 | bzed | Knight_Lord: no,m but an md dvice on top of an md device |
| 13:49.56 | liable | eh? |
| 13:50.14 | FuzzyB | Knight_Lord: you don't need mdadm |
| 13:50.16 | repyskichboarder | liable: I've installed mono, amule, nmap and nothing else I think |
| 13:50.17 | Knight_Lord | bzed i'll try both approaches, but i really doubt it's slow and buggy |
| 13:50.21 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB yes i know |
| 13:50.22 | repyskichboarder | O yes Xchat |
| 13:50.22 | bzed | Knight_Lord: it is |
| 13:50.29 | FuzzyB | what mdadm? |
| 13:50.34 | bzed | Knight_Lord: and it's definitely slower than dm |
| 13:50.34 | FuzzyB | works just fine for me |
| 13:50.54 | Knight_Lord | yea mdadm also works fine for me, i have 20TB on it right now |
| 13:51.21 | bzed | mdadm does not much, it jsut tells the kernel what to do and listenes for problems |
| 13:51.23 | FuzzyB | if you really have a 20tb array, then what in the hell are you doing here asking questions |
| 13:51.47 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB not one array, just a redundant array of servers :-P |
| 13:51.47 | liable | repyskichboarder: can you paste your logs and xorg.conf? |
| 13:52.01 | FuzzyB | whatever |
| 13:52.03 | Knight_Lord | inexpensive servers i might add |
| 13:52.21 | repyskichboarder | liable: I can do it but I'll take about ten minutes, will you be there? |
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| 13:52.28 | liable | yes |
| 13:52.34 | repyskichboarder | ok thanks |
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| 13:53.33 | liable | FuzzyB: when one has a 20TB array does that exempt them from asking questions in here? |
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| 13:54.03 | FuzzyB | only dumb ones, if your going to spend the cash on a 20tb array, you better have at least a few dollars left over for a clue |
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| 13:54.09 | Knight_Lord | People with 20TB arrays unfortunately don't know everything |
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| 13:54.20 | FuzzyB | only how to spend money right? |
| 13:54.50 | liable | i dont understand your logic |
| 13:54.50 | Knight_Lord | If i had money for an admin i would hire one, but obviously i don't |
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| 13:55.03 | FuzzyB | who said anything about an admin |
| 13:55.12 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB what do you mean then? |
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| 13:55.16 | FuzzyB | forget it |
| 13:55.22 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB you can buy knowledge |
| 13:55.31 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB and this is a pretty good place to get some |
| 13:55.38 | FuzzyB | last i checked they've been making books for over 2000 years |
| 13:56.11 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB but the book won't say if i should use LVM or raid0 when i have hardware raid underneath |
| 13:56.26 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB real experience is much better than books |
| 13:56.34 | FuzzyB | no but if you read a book or a howto, or even some sort of manual you should be able to answer that question |
| 13:56.51 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB unlikely without the actualy experience |
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| 13:57.12 | FuzzyB | then honestly what business do you have with a 20tb array if you can't administrate it? |
| 13:57.17 | Knight_Lord | I work on theoretical physics, so i know that theory rarely agrees with practise unforunately :-) |
| 13:57.21 | giupy_ | must i run grub into chroot for debootstrap or frm my pc ? |
| 13:57.21 | FuzzyB | why didn't you start with something a little more reasonable and learn from there? |
| 13:57.49 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB I can easily put mdadm raid 0 on top and be done with it |
| 13:57.53 | dashs | If I want rsh to run without password auth (.rhosts), do I need to replace the ssh in /etc/alternatives with actual rsh? |
| 13:57.56 | FuzzyB | and everyone would laugh at you when you lose two drives |
| 13:57.57 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB i just wanted to know what people think of it |
| 13:58.05 | FuzzyB | and come back crying |
| 13:58.11 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB and why would i lose two drives? |
| 13:58.26 | liable | Knight_Lord: why are you running mdadm if you have hardware raid? |
| 13:58.34 | FuzzyB | because it happens |
| 13:58.38 | FuzzyB | often |
| 13:58.41 | FuzzyB | or rather |
| 13:58.42 | Knight_Lord | liable because the card is only 8 ports and i have more disks |
| 13:58.45 | FuzzyB | what if you lost a whole controller |
| 13:58.54 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB never happened to me |
| 13:58.58 | FuzzyB | HA |
| 13:59.01 | Knight_Lord | FuzzyB and that's why people do backups |
| 13:59.01 | FuzzyB | omg |
| 13:59.03 | FuzzyB | ok dude |
| 13:59.04 | FuzzyB | whatever |
| 13:59.06 | FuzzyB | have a nice day |
| 13:59.12 | FuzzyB | your going on my ignore now |
| 13:59.23 | Knight_Lord | :-) |
| 13:59.49 | hark | that was fun ;) |
| 13:59.59 | Knight_Lord | If i lost the entire machine i would be at risk while i finish copying from the backup |
| 14:00.03 | jetscreamer | !tell FuzzyB -about enter |
| 14:00.04 | Knight_Lord | it was |
| 14:00.18 | FuzzyB | jetscreamer: go play nazi somewhere else |
| 14:00.20 | liable | Knight_Lord: but you arent running mdadm on top of the hardware raid are you? |
| 14:00.33 | Knight_Lord | liable not yet, but i'll have to do that or run lvm |
| 14:00.52 | Knight_Lord | liable i was asking for opinions on what's best |
| 14:00.54 | liable | i dont understand the point |
| 14:00.59 | jetscreamer | !tell FuzzyB -about nazi |
| 14:01.15 | liable | Knight_Lord: why would you run mdadm on top of already raided disks? |
| 14:01.15 | repyskichboarder | liable: the xorg.conf and the gdm logs? |
| 14:01.20 | liable | repyskichboarder: yep |
| 14:01.34 | Knight_Lord | liable the point is that this machine is the backup of another machine that has a 16port controller and a big array |
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| 14:01.52 | Knight_Lord | liable and that machine has a single file system over the 15 disks |
| 14:02.12 | Knight_Lord | liable so to be able to duplicate it, i need to have a filesystem extending over the 2 raid arrays |
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| 14:02.25 | liable | ah |
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| 14:02.52 | repyskichboarder | liable: about gdm the log called :0.log? |
| 14:02.58 | Knight_Lord | So i just need any kind of glue to join together the 2 arrays, be it raid 0 or lvm |
| 14:03.14 | liable | Knight_Lord: well you wouldnt use mdam, lvm would be the choice, i dont see how mdadm would help you in that case |
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| 14:03.18 | repyskichboarder | liable: or even the others? |
| 14:03.32 | liable | repyskichboarder: just the one with the newest mtime |
| 14:03.38 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 14:03.44 | Knight_Lord | liable i could do raid0 and it would work, but i can see possible problems like it was pointed before |
| 14:04.15 | liable | Knight_Lord: raid1 you mean? |
| 14:04.24 | Knight_Lord | liable no, raid0 |
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| 14:04.41 | Knight_Lord | liable stripping over the 2 raid ararys |
| 14:04.47 | jetscreamer | my god |
| 14:04.50 | liable | yep |
| 14:04.54 | jetscreamer | i just read up |
| 14:04.54 | applicationsd | hi all |
| 14:05.05 | jetscreamer | !lart FuzzyB |
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| 14:06.05 | hark | heh |
| 14:06.14 | liable | Knight_Lord: i spose either way then wouldnt matter, i spose raid0 would be best for performance |
| 14:07.00 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 14:07.00 | dpkg | well, qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 14:07.04 | Knight_Lord | liable i think you can actually do stripping with lvm also, but i'm much more familiar with mdadm, so i think i'll end up using that |
| 14:07.25 | repyskichboarder | http://pastebin.ca/442814 |
| 14:07.44 | repyskichboarder | liable: first the gdm's log and after the xorg conf |
| 14:08.00 | liable | repyskichboarder: gimme five to digest |
| 14:08.06 | repyskichboarder | ok :D |
| 14:08.07 | jetscreamer | i thought the paster bot was supposed to announce pastes |
| 14:08.24 | liable | jetscreamer: it does if you put your nick in |
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| 14:09.12 | repyskichboarder | I doesen't use the synapitics touchpad because it doesen't works, I use instead a USB mouse |
| 14:09.16 | repyskichboarder | *dosen't |
| 14:09.24 | liable | repyskichboarder: i need xorg.log too |
| 14:09.30 | boocha | Why not try and get it to work? |
| 14:09.38 | boocha | Do you drive your card with no working wipers or tyres? |
| 14:09.41 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 14:09.46 | repyskichboarder | liable: just a moment |
| 14:09.50 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be shorter |
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| 14:09.59 | liable | i hate touchpads, i have mine disabled in bios |
| 14:10.10 | liable | no, i want to see the whole log |
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| 14:11.26 | jetscreamer | 1280x800.. isn't that a weird rez? |
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| 14:11.55 | repyskichboarder | liable: http://pastebin.ca/442820 |
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| 14:12.00 | liable | yep |
| 14:12.40 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: probably I have done a mistake |
| 14:12.48 | repyskichboarder | I'm inexpert |
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| 14:14.16 | jetscreamer | i don't think the nv driver does that chipset, but i'm not sure... /me checks |
| 14:14.32 | jetscreamer | it probably does |
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| 14:14.46 | blizz | hi |
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| 14:14.57 | blizz | can i turn a directory into a deb file |
| 14:15.35 | shaula | I ve created a partition with fdisk, and can see "/dev/sda3 14920 30401 124354912+ 83 Linux" with 'fdisk -l' command. but that sda3 does not exist under /dev/sda3 what could be the reason? |
| 14:15.49 | liable | repyskichboarder: run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and enable some other screen resolutions |
| 14:16.02 | liable | repyskichboarder: you havent hand edited that file have you? |
| 14:16.16 | repyskichboarder | liable: yes I have |
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| 14:16.27 | repyskichboarder | but not the screen sresolution |
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| 14:16.43 | liable | repyskichboarder: the depths are all very unusual too |
| 14:17.13 | liable | repyskichboarder: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 14:17.15 | repyskichboarder | liable: because I set it doesen't known what I was doing |
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| 14:17.46 | Joe74 | hi |
| 14:17.48 | liable | repyskichboarder: dont change shit you dont understand :P |
| 14:18.02 | ribas | with debian ETCH CD may I install debian on a PENDRIVE? |
| 14:18.13 | Joe74 | lame q:) what's the difference between lwresd and resolvconf? (is lwresd any better?) |
| 14:18.19 | repyskichboarder | liable: probably it's better :D |
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| 14:18.31 | repyskichboarder | Wait a second I reboot the machine |
| 14:18.52 | getty1 | when I edited resources to add higher res - dpkg-reconfigure borked my X reset defaults than dpkg-reconf made it usable again |
| 14:19.04 | liable | i am still weary why you have :0.logs |
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| 14:19.25 | liable | repyskichboarder: have you tried using xgl or something? |
| 14:19.38 | shaula | I ve solved I guess it says "kernel is busy, the fidsk partition table will be written on the next reboot" its strange I ve never got such a warning before, I ll try reboot than |
| 14:19.41 | repyskichboarder | no, this is my first time whit linux |
| 14:19.54 | dashs | never-mind, found it... |
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| 14:21.47 | repyskichboarder | oKtosiTe: |
| 14:21.49 | repyskichboarder | Ops |
| 14:21.51 | repyskichboarder | sorry |
| 14:22.25 | repyskichboarder | liable: I have to reconfigure xorg using a different resolution and a different color depth? |
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| 14:23.15 | liable | repyskichboarder: the ones that the reconfigure script shows are fine. the ones you have in your xorg.conf are wacky |
| 14:23.30 | liable | repyskichboarder: did you try to reconfigure? |
| 14:23.43 | repyskichboarder | I'm trying |
| 14:23.59 | repyskichboarder | I'm at the resolution ask |
| 14:24.10 | liable | repyskichboarder: after you do it, read the file and make sure its changed it |
| 14:24.16 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 14:24.50 | repyskichboarder | liable: aboaut resolution what shoul I choose? |
| 14:25.03 | liable | for the resolutions, you can pick all of em, x will chose the highest it can run by default |
| 14:25.05 | jetscreamer | 1280x1024 is kinda standard isn't it... |
| 14:25.18 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 14:25.47 | liable | but yeah, 1280x1024 and 800x600 are two that should definately work |
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| 14:26.00 | hark | lcd? |
| 14:26.08 | repyskichboarder | yes |
| 14:26.11 | getty1 | liable would repyskichboarder uncheck highest resolutions for you monitor? |
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| 14:26.13 | aruiz | hello there |
| 14:26.14 | jetscreamer | detects as dfp so i thin...k |
| 14:26.21 | hark | what's the native res? |
| 14:26.22 | aruiz | is there anyone familiar with java issues in debian? |
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| 14:26.29 | repyskichboarder | 1280x800 |
| 14:26.31 | liable | getty1: rephrase that |
| 14:26.34 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
| 14:26.45 | aruiz | I'm wondering what's the "debian way" to deploy a java class library |
| 14:26.45 | hark | repyskichboarder: yeah, so use just that |
| 14:26.46 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge fixes the issues with java... |
| 14:26.46 | repyskichboarder | color depth 16 ? |
| 14:26.56 | hark | or 24.. |
| 14:26.57 | repyskichboarder | or 24? |
| 14:26.59 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 14:27.04 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
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| 14:27.21 | getty1 | should repyshichboarder uncheck his higest resolutions his monitor chan handle? |
| 14:27.28 | repyskichboarder | yeah |
| 14:27.30 | repyskichboarder | it wrks |
| 14:27.31 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
| 14:27.34 | repyskichboarder | *works |
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| 14:27.43 | repyskichboarder | but now I see enormouse icons |
| 14:27.43 | getty1 | ie 1280x1024 |
| 14:27.44 | repyskichboarder | :D |
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| 14:28.14 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
| 14:28.28 | hark | repyskichboarder: infact you can remove the frequencies section in your xorg.conf. Same for the Display sub sections. No need for that nowadays :) |
| 14:28.29 | liable | getty1: if the hardware doesnt support it, it will just refuse the mode |
| 14:28.42 | getty1 | the reason I ask |
| 14:29.06 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
| 14:29.33 | repyskichboarder | hark: ok |
| 14:29.42 | liable | repyskichboarder: how old is that monitor? |
| 14:29.43 | hark | repyskichboarder: what does xdpyinfo |grep dimensions say? |
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| 14:30.10 | boocha | (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! Any ideas? |
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| 14:30.29 | getty1 | during installation I added monitor name and resolutions to XFree85 ( sarge) but hardware autodetect rejected my settings and entered it's own stuff for my monitor |
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| 14:30.43 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 14:30.43 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:30.50 | liable | boocha: if no-one answers, no-one knows, ask in 1/6/12/24 hours |
| 14:31.01 | repyskichboarder | liable: the pc is new, it's a laptop acer aspire 5630 |
| 14:31.02 | boocha | !fuckoffand_dieyoustupidcunnts |
| 14:31.08 | repyskichboarder | hark: wait a second |
| 14:31.18 | Gnea | boocha: just for that, you will recieve no help. |
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| 14:31.27 | boocha | Just for that, your father can lick my testicles |
| 14:31.28 | liable | boocha: grow up |
| 14:31.30 | ramiroec | Is there a way to mount a folder by ssh/sftp ? |
| 14:31.31 | boocha | I've just fixed the issue anyway |
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| 14:31.38 | lontra | !ops boocha is trolling |
| 14:31.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: lontra complains about: boocha is trolling |
| 14:31.42 | jetscreamer | !ops loose boocha the pottymouth |
| 14:31.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: loose boocha the pottymouth |
| 14:31.44 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:31.44 | wols | ramiroec: sshfs |
| 14:31.50 | boocha | !ops jetscreamer fucks his mum |
| 14:31.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: boocha complains about: jetscreamer fucks his mum |
| 14:31.51 | lontra | jetscreamer: winner :D |
| 14:31.55 | getty1 | when I edited Xresorces adding higher resolutions and monitor name than ran dpkg-reconfioigure xserver-XFree86 it borked my X |
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| 14:32.02 | lontra | LoRez: thanks |
| 14:32.08 | liable | no need to call ops for a semi troll really |
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| 14:32.26 | jetscreamer | but it's so nice to see him go byebye |
| 14:32.31 | lontra | liable: true but it's annoying and disrespectful |
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| 14:33.01 | repyskichboarder | hark 640x480 pixels |
| 14:33.22 | Gnea | hrm, i wonder if there's a utility to convert from ogg theora to mpeg4... |
| 14:33.27 | hark | so, no wonder your icons are huge, heh |
| 14:33.33 | ramiroec | <wols> : I dont want to reboot my machine to get sshfs support |
| 14:34.01 | lontra | Gnea: could soundjuicer do something like that? |
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| 14:34.12 | repyskichboarder | I should study all this tings |
| 14:34.14 | jetscreamer | mplayer does/can |
| 14:34.22 | Gnea | lontra: er, would that take care of video as well? |
| 14:34.24 | repyskichboarder | hark can you tell me a good value? |
| 14:34.43 | robin_sz | repyskichboarder, 2400x1600 |
| 14:34.44 | lontra | Gnea: oh probably not |
| 14:34.47 | lontra | no ideas |
| 14:34.47 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok, try this... Comment out the frequencies section under Section "Monitor" and all the SubSection "Display" part |
| 14:34.58 | repyskichboarder | thanks |
| 14:35.07 | repyskichboarder | Ok |
| 14:35.07 | robin_sz | 1440x1050 is my weird ass setting |
| 14:35.13 | jetscreamer | try hwinfo and set them if it doesn't work |
| 14:35.18 | Gnea | jetscreamer: oh yeah, duh :) i'll give that a shot, thanks |
| 14:35.25 | jetscreamer | !tell repyskichboarder -about hwinfo |
| 14:35.36 | robin_sz | repyskichboarder, is this LCD or CRT? |
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| 14:35.42 | getty1 | hi def! robin |
| 14:35.55 | jetscreamer | DFP... :p |
| 14:36.09 | repyskichboarder | lcd |
| 14:36.26 | Gnea | no, that's like asking if it's LCD or Plasma |
| 14:36.33 | robin_sz | well, I would always recommend using the exact sme pixel settings as your display for LCD |
| 14:36.35 | Gnea | it's a DFP or a CRT |
| 14:37.01 | Gnea | although it could be an LCD since they tend to have the connections ;) |
| 14:37.11 | jetscreamer | apt-get install read-edid repyskichboarder |
| 14:37.25 | robin_sz | if its a 1280x1024, use that as your resolution, always |
| 14:37.38 | hark | it's 1280x800 |
| 14:37.43 | robin_sz | any pixel mapped display works better that way |
| 14:37.47 | getty1 | robin setting highest monitor res works if your vido hardware supports them at the depth you're using |
| 14:37.47 | liable | aptitude: package repyskichboarder not found |
| 14:37.48 | repyskichboarder | ok |
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| 14:38.23 | hark | repyskichboarder: did you try with commenting them out? |
| 14:38.23 | jetscreamer | lol ok |
| 14:38.26 | liable | what kind of new laptop has resolutions like that? a tablet? |
| 14:38.36 | robin_sz | getty1, well sure, but liek who would not have a grpahics card to match huh? that would be kinda crazy |
| 14:38.41 | hark | no, that's normal 16:10 |
| 14:38.43 | wols | liable many do. normal laptops |
| 14:38.48 | wols | LCDs too |
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| 14:39.32 | disposable | why is ntfs-3g no longer available for Etch? (i think it was there while it was testing) |
| 14:39.43 | getty1 | who ever said stuff wasn't crazy with like most peoples computers |
| 14:39.46 | hark | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 14:40.16 | vin` | repyskichboarder: intel chip? |
| 14:40.24 | Gnea | liable: dell xps M1710 |
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| 14:40.56 | liable | Gnea: you expect shitty stuff from deel though ;) |
| 14:41.00 | liable | dell |
| 14:41.13 | repyskichboarder | not yet, yes |
| 14:41.17 | getty1 | deel hehe |
| 14:41.23 | Gnea | liable: how so? |
| 14:41.30 | Gnea | 1920x1200 is shitty? |
| 14:41.30 | liable | gah, i have a double letter typing problem |
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| 14:41.50 | Gnea | yes, please learn how to spell before even trying to put them down :) |
| 14:41.54 | disposable | hark, that didn't really answer my question :( |
| 14:42.04 | getty1 | don't we all at one time or another :) |
| 14:42.13 | liable | Gnea: i can spell, i cant type. |
| 14:42.17 | hark | disposable: was just checking :) sucks.. |
| 14:42.19 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 14:42.33 | ramiroec | Is there a way to mount a ftp folder ? |
| 14:43.04 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 14:43.09 | Gnea | liable: actually, dell tends to have some really good stuff, it's just built in a semi-proprietary way :) |
| 14:43.16 | Elephantman | hello, looks like the mysql-server-5.0_5.0.38 deb package has a bug. it says : error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'. I had to downgrade to mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch1_i386.deb to resolve the issue |
| 14:43.17 | hark | repyskichboarder: did you try? |
| 14:43.37 | repyskichboarder | yes |
| 14:43.49 | Gnea | Elephantman: did you check to see if a bug has been reported? |
| 14:44.12 | hark | repyskichboarder: and well, what happened? |
| 14:44.16 | Elephantman | Gnea> I've googled it for 2 hours with no success |
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| 14:44.26 | minerale | Ok guys, here's the motherload: http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf -- Bill gates memo trying to make the ACPI specs open-source incompatible |
| 14:44.28 | jetscreamer | they(oem's) buy quality hardware in bulk, but cut down versions |
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| 14:44.33 | Gnea | !bts |
| 14:44.33 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:44.39 | Gnea | Elephantman: did you check the bts? |
| 14:44.45 | Elephantman | no |
| 14:45.32 | liable | Gnea: i am biased, i only bought my first computer in 2003 and it was a stinkpad, my second was also one, and after using others laptops i am almost as bad as a mactard when i think of other laptops ;) |
| 14:46.12 | jetscreamer | esp if you let it configure xorg.conf for you |
| 14:46.12 | Gnea | liable: and here i thought you knew what you were talking about all this time ;) |
| 14:46.30 | liable | Gnea: no,, mostly i am full of shit |
| 14:46.33 | jetscreamer | i turn the touchpad off in bios also btw |
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| 14:46.39 | repyskichboarder | sorry must run away |
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| 14:46.45 | repyskichboarder | be back later |
| 14:46.48 | jetscreamer | i'm not full of shit i just dropped some though |
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| 14:46.55 | hark | !dbugs 417622 |
| 14:46.57 | repyskichboarder | thanks all |
| 14:46.58 | Gnea | liable: got my first x86 in 1991, just started working for dell this year |
| 14:46.59 | dpkg | DONE:#417622:[ntfs-3g] NTFS-3g way too old, can cause data corrumption in rare conditions; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:12:02 UTC |
| 14:47.04 | hark | disposable: that's why ** |
| 14:47.17 | jelly-home | liable: I've used other laptops before the stinkpad and I don't think I'm going back |
| 14:47.17 | \amethyst | How does one add new compose sequences without restarting X? |
| 14:47.22 | sciboy | Guys i can't figure it out, when my nvidia driver kicks in, it fails the first time and second time gdm attempts the screen blanks out. |
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| 14:47.40 | sciboy | I think by BIOS was reset so it may be there but i don't know what would cause it. |
| 14:47.59 | disposable | hark, that sucks... |
| 14:48.08 | liable | Gnea: my condolances :P |
| 14:48.12 | Gnea | sciboy: sounds sketchy, could you be a bit more specific please? |
| 14:48.18 | hark | yup, many packages went bye bye that way :\ |
| 14:48.23 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev psmouse |
| 14:48.30 | Gnea | liable: no need, i left my previous job on very good terms :) |
| 14:48.32 | jetscreamer | sciboy: ^^ |
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| 14:49.01 | disposable | hark: how do we get rid of bugs the debian way? we exclude packages :))) |
| 14:49.19 | sciboy | Gnea, I'm using nv right now, i had a system freeze and my ext3 partition was broke, the bios needed to be restored from defaults and nvidia isn't working and i can't find an error as to why. |
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| 14:49.45 | Gnea | sciboy: try this: X >& X.log |
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| 14:50.19 | sciboy | Okay back in a second. |
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| 14:50.32 | alexis | go all on beryl with sources.list |
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| 14:51.31 | getty1 | >$ |
| 14:51.33 | liable | alexis: eh? |
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| 14:51.44 | alexis | kill vista with beryl an compiz .. |
| 14:51.46 | alexis | yes |
| 14:51.48 | alexis | § |
| 14:51.50 | alexis | !! |
| 14:51.50 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 14:51.55 | liable | beryl on compiz? |
| 14:52.01 | alexis | no |
| 14:52.07 | alexis | symple beryl |
| 14:52.07 | Gnea | alexis: looks good on youtube, but how many shareholders do you think will buy it? |
| 14:52.09 | jlhenry | Hello, I got an error message every 30sec on my syslog on every Xen Dom0 servers (dom0 = hosting server). If I restart snmpd, messages are stopping for a time. I got standard Debian Etch installation. Log: http://pastebin.ca/442846 |
| 14:52.10 | getty1 | ######### |
| 14:52.16 | alexis | sorry i m french |
| 14:52.24 | Gnea | oh, nevermind then |
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| 14:52.26 | alexis | and my vocabulary is bad |
| 14:52.44 | amphi | alexis: what about beryl? |
| 14:53.16 | alexis | il a widowmanager ~ |
| 14:53.25 | Gnea | amphi: he seems to think that if dell were to implement beryl and compiz, that vista would go down |
| 14:53.27 | liable | its is nice, if you have hardware that supports it, i dont see why you wouldnt run it |
| 14:53.29 | alexis | it a window manager and xserver |
| 14:53.41 | Gnea | or maybe that's what i was thinking at first, until i actually thought about it |
| 14:53.43 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:53.46 | liable | its not an xserver |
| 14:53.51 | alexis | dou you want the link of the source.list |
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| 14:54.15 | concept10 | I wish I new how beryl changes window managers on the fly |
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| 14:54.28 | alexis | no on a cube |
| 14:54.30 | Gnea | !beryl |
| 14:54.31 | dpkg | beryl is, like, probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 14:54.34 | sciboy | Back, well the log doesn't help. |
| 14:54.36 | Gnea | you mean that one? |
| 14:54.37 | amphi | alexis: I know what it is |
| 14:54.39 | getty1 | Gnea doyou recommend Mickeysoft on allDell desktops |
| 14:54.41 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.45 | liable | concept10: its very fucking handy actually, being able to reload it when it hiccups |
| 14:54.56 | amphi | alexis: it's a wm, not an xserver |
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| 14:55.03 | liable | and lot lose all your windows |
| 14:55.07 | sciboy | Gnea, Log stops at (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 14:55.12 | concept10 | liable, yes, it is. I want to know the commands to do that myself |
| 14:55.16 | Gnea | getty1: for people who know jack shit about computers, yes |
| 14:55.25 | alexis | beryle integre xgl an compiz |
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| 14:55.26 | Gnea | getty1: linux simply isn't there yet. |
| 14:55.35 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:55.42 | hark | concept10: via wmname --replace |
| 14:55.43 | getty1 | mo money huh! |
| 14:55.48 | amphi | alexis: bollocks |
| 14:55.57 | liable | no, for people who dont have the inclination or time to learn |
| 14:56.04 | amphi | alexis: beryl runs on top of aiglx |
| 14:56.11 | liable | or xgl |
| 14:56.11 | Gnea | getty1: heh, that's all you think it is... you're funny |
| 14:56.11 | sciboy | jetscreamer, Oh and modules mousedev and psmouse don't exist. =P |
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| 14:56.30 | alexis | yes you can run on xgl if it is in your computeur |
| 14:56.36 | getty1 | Mickey keeps you as a member of the club |
| 14:56.40 | alexis | deb http://debian.beryl-project.org etch main |
| 14:56.40 | alexis | deb-src http://debian.beryl-project.org etch main |
| 14:56.49 | stew | sciboy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:56.57 | sciboy | 2.6.20-1-amd64 |
| 14:57.01 | alexis | with vim or your favorite textwriter |
| 14:57.05 | liable | alexis: we dont really need the links, thanks |
| 14:57.07 | sciboy | Same problem under 2.6.18-4-amd64 as well. |
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| 14:57.16 | stew | sciboy: what problem? |
| 14:57.19 | Gnea | getty1: you might as well stop where you're at before you get hurt |
| 14:57.23 | alexis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.29 | concept10 | hark, yeah, Ive seen that with metacity, I don't see that option with matchbox though |
| 14:57.31 | stew | sciboy: mousedev definately exists in 2.6.18-4 |
| 14:57.36 | alexis | yes it the good link |
| 14:57.41 | sciboy | stew, When using nvidia driver my screen goes blank, without any error as so far. |
| 14:57.44 | getty1 | got no blood left for ya sorry |
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| 14:58.05 | alexis | beryl is stable if you are not exigent |
| 14:58.10 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.11 | Gnea | getty1: can't sail if you don't know how to swim |
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| 14:58.18 | amphi | alexis: works fine here |
| 14:58.19 | concept10 | hark, but thanks, thats good to know |
| 14:58.28 | sciboy | stew, Even though the screen is blank, i can it's still at the terminal and this all happened after a system freeze. |
| 14:58.37 | jetscreamer | sciboy: then your kernel is fuck-ed... you probably meant already loaded though |
| 14:58.58 | stew | sciboy: i'm not the one to ask about nvidia drivers, i didn't understand that this was the problem |
| 14:59.09 | jetscreamer | sciboy: did you examing the gdm log and the xorg log? |
| 14:59.12 | sciboy | jetscreamer, FATAL: Module mousedev not found. |
| 14:59.22 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 14:59.30 | getty1 | Gnea is that like don't be a goldfish in the shark tank |
| 14:59.36 | jetscreamer | sciboy: why is it not found, custom kernel? |
| 14:59.38 | alexis | gogogo beryl it the vistakiller |
| 14:59.42 | Fox_1_ | when i type startx my xorg server return me this message "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' XIO: fatal IO ....". what does it mean. and how to solve this problem? |
| 14:59.48 | sciboy | jetscreamer, Nah, just stock unstable. |
| 15:00.07 | jetscreamer | sciboy: as root you did that? |
| 15:00.11 | concept10 | ale6, beryl isnt stopping vista |
| 15:00.12 | sciboy | Yes. |
| 15:00.14 | hark | Fox_1_: install xorg |
| 15:00.19 | sciboy | jetscreamer, psmouse succeeded though. =P |
| 15:00.39 | alexis | i m testing vista and it s skin for xp |
| 15:00.41 | Gnea | getty1: something like that |
| 15:00.48 | Fox_1_ | hark: apt-get install xorg? i have done that. |
| 15:00.50 | jetscreamer | sciboy: an old xorg/debian bug was failure to load mousedev |
| 15:01.05 | jetscreamer | sciboy: but the module usually existed |
| 15:01.11 | alexis | beryl running whit the good parametr for your xorg.conf |
| 15:01.15 | jetscreamer | s/usually/ALWAYS/ |
| 15:01.30 | hark | Fox_1_: do you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 15:01.32 | liable | alexis: please stop spamming beryl. we dont care |
| 15:01.42 | Fox_1_ | hark: ups, sorry. i have forget about that. thanks a lot :) |
| 15:01.44 | alexis | ok |
| 15:01.46 | alexis | sorry |
| 15:01.46 | jetscreamer | sciboy: did you put it all on one line? modprobe them individually |
| 15:01.55 | sciboy | individually |
| 15:01.56 | stew | 10:00 <dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mousedev.ko' returned no results. |
| 15:02.04 | stew | i guess its built in now |
| 15:02.08 | jetscreamer | weeeeeeeurd zomg |
| 15:02.37 | jetscreamer | how about mousedev.o though |
| 15:02.42 | hark | psmouse now |
| 15:02.46 | stew | jetscreamer: there are no 2.4 kernels in etch or later |
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| 15:02.53 | stew | hark: psmouse is different |
| 15:03.07 | jetscreamer | stew: 2.6 did that.. and what stew said, hark |
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| 15:03.13 | getty1 | Gnea do you ever have to call customers asking if they have made an purchase from the web site? |
| 15:03.21 | stew | jetscreamer: did what? |
| 15:03.34 | Gnea | getty1: but you've got a point about the money - linux just doesn't have the backbone that mickeysoft has in that arena (tax software, quickbooks, etc) although it's TRYING, it's just not there yet |
| 15:03.42 | Gnea | getty1: why? |
| 15:03.44 | jetscreamer | anyway, the point 'seems' to be moot... (borked out xorg didn't load mousedev ) |
| 15:04.12 | getty1 | Gnea I got one of those calls |
| 15:04.18 | stew | xorg would never have loaded mousedev. hotplug used to |
| 15:04.27 | Gnea | getty1: that's weird |
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| 15:04.43 | hark | oh ok ;) |
| 15:04.53 | getty1 | Gnea no not really weird just really frustrating |
| 15:04.56 | jetscreamer | stew: what i really said was 'mousedev wouldn't get loaded, 2.6 kernel, and that would bork xorg' |
| 15:04.59 | sivik | with wpasuppliment, how do you get the wireless card to accept a wpa key |
| 15:05.07 | jetscreamer | you had to read between the lines though |
| 15:05.21 | Gnea | getty1: did you put in a request for them to call you? |
| 15:05.24 | sciboy | jetscreamer, No mousedev.o in existence. |
| 15:05.39 | liable | sivik: you put the key in the conf file |
| 15:05.44 | getty1 | Gnea something like that |
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| 15:05.57 | jetscreamer | sciboy: ok oh well... what about the gdm log |
| 15:06.00 | Gnea | getty1: so what made it frustrating? |
| 15:06.01 | sivik | liable: in the wpa conf file? if not, which conf file? |
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| 15:06.24 | liable | sivik: yes, the wpasupplicant.conf file |
| 15:06.27 | sivik | ok |
| 15:06.57 | stew | sciboy: you are trying to use the closed source nvidia driver with 2.6.20? |
| 15:06.58 | getty1 | Gnea trying to find a lawyer to get the necessary paperwok needed to request the web transaction I was notified of |
| 15:07.01 | vin` | sivik: add ssid & key to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:07.20 | Gnea | getty1: so you're suing dell? |
| 15:07.23 | jetscreamer | stew: works just fine btw, not that i know if he is or not |
| 15:07.25 | liable | vin`: for wpa? |
| 15:07.34 | stew | jetscreamer: doesn't it require building a kernel module? |
| 15:07.35 | sciboy | stew, And 2.6.18, 2.6.18 had no issue till the recent system freeze. |
| 15:07.57 | jetscreamer | stew: yes if xorg or the kernel changes you need to |
| 15:08.07 | stew | sciboy: you have to build a kernel module, which would require you installing linux-headers-2.6.20-1-amd64 which depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.20 which doesn't exist |
| 15:08.07 | vin` | liable: this is the recommended way now, see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian |
| 15:08.15 | getty1 | Gnea Dell wouldn't release ANY info on the transaction they called me regarding without legal docs |
| 15:08.24 | jetscreamer | yeh kbuild still isn't there |
| 15:08.41 | jetscreamer | i had to compile 2.6.20 |
| 15:08.54 | vin` | liable: interfaces accepts wpa-ssid foo wpa-key foo etc. |
| 15:09.09 | jetscreamer | he could build it for 2.6.18 though |
| 15:09.11 | sciboy | stew, Actually there is. |
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| 15:09.21 | jetscreamer | no |
| 15:09.27 | stew | sciboy: oh, did kbuild finally get uploaded? |
| 15:09.27 | sciboy | Version: 2.6.20-1 |
| 15:09.30 | sciboy | Yeah. |
| 15:09.33 | jetscreamer | the proc specific ones are not installable, just the 'base' |
| 15:09.44 | liable | vin`: ah, right, i go the roaming bit with a conf file, i havent really noticed how to do it with keys in ifaces |
| 15:09.53 | Gnea | getty1: sounds like a losing battle |
| 15:09.57 | jetscreamer | the -k7 and/or -686 headers dont.. the base headers though do |
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| 15:10.26 | jetscreamer | o |
| 15:10.28 | jetscreamer | how nice |
| 15:10.37 | jetscreamer | changed from 8 hours ago |
| 15:10.56 | sciboy | =P |
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| 15:11.18 | getty1 | Gnea it was a few calls win or loose has yet to be decided |
| 15:11.24 | jetscreamer | linux-kbuild-2.6.20 does not appear to be available |
| 15:11.39 | sivik | vin`: so it doesn't matter if its wpa tkip to add it in the interfaces file |
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| 15:11.43 | jetscreamer | !info linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 15:11.50 | getty1 | Gnea may takke a few years to cut through all the defenses |
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| 15:12.15 | sciboy | jetscreamer, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 15:12.44 | jetscreamer | linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 15:12.44 | getty1 | Gnea will tal to Michael about it one of these days |
| 15:13.06 | Gnea | getty1: what sort of work do you do? |
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| 15:13.15 | sciboy | jetscreamer, Just noticed, there's only amd64 and powerpc. |
| 15:13.27 | getty1 | Gnea what doyou mean by work? |
| 15:13.34 | Gnea | getty1: your job |
| 15:13.41 | jetscreamer | sciboy: i just said fuggit and compiled my own kernel |
| 15:13.50 | vin` | sivik: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz has examples. |
| 15:13.53 | sciboy | I just apted it all and didn't notice. =P |
| 15:13.59 | jetscreamer | got tired of waiting..that package has been missing for 3 days afaik |
| 15:14.00 | getty1 | Gnea I'm a hack |
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| 15:14.13 | sciboy | jetscreamer, I'm on amd64. |
| 15:14.17 | jetscreamer | o |
| 15:14.18 | Gnea | getty1: in other words, you're a bullshit artist? |
| 15:14.25 | Ronin | Gnea: hah nice one |
| 15:14.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:14.32 | getty1 | Gnea that too |
| 15:14.36 | sciboy | Did someone just say artist? =P |
| 15:14.38 | jetscreamer | one day i might own an x64 ... there will probably be x128 by then though :/ |
| 15:15.17 | getty1 | Gnea but who do you know in the industry that isn't |
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| 15:15.20 | vin` | liable: try network-manager for roaming. ;) |
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| 15:17.05 | Gnea | getty1: so let me get this straight - you made a purchase from dell through their website, requested that they contact you, but since you were reluctant to give them any of your information, they wouldn't tell you what you wanted to know, and so now you're on a long legal road in a vain attempt to obtain something that won't even be worth 5cents by that time? |
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| 15:17.31 | jetscreamer | you go girl! |
| 15:17.34 | liable | vin`: eeek! no thanks :P |
| 15:17.53 | getty1 | Gnea sorry you assumed so many things already |
| 15:18.05 | jetscreamer | locales depends on glibc-2.5-1 ... glibc-2.5-1 does not appear to be available |
| 15:18.09 | Gnea | getty1: oh ok, so that narrows it down then :) |
| 15:18.20 | jetscreamer | another 'still missing' package |
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| 15:18.35 | AMORTVIGIL | Hey |
| 15:18.40 | sciboy | HI |
| 15:18.40 | warnk | i have sarge with several packages from unstable installed (mysql 5), what's the best method for upgrading to etch? |
| 15:18.41 | stew | jetscreamer: no, libc6 Provides: Provides: glibc-2.5.0-0exp1 |
| 15:18.42 | jetscreamer | hey deathwatch |
| 15:18.43 | sciboy | MR ALLCAPS |
| 15:18.43 | getty1 | Gnea what would you believe if it were spelled out? |
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| 15:18.47 | liable | vin`: i am playing a bit with madwifi and iwlwifi and dont really need the added hassle of a gui. plus the fact that wpa.conf works great |
| 15:18.58 | getty1 | Gnea should I waste more of your time? |
| 15:18.59 | jetscreamer | stew: i just know what it says |
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| 15:19.13 | stew | jetscreamer: and provides glibc-2.5-1 |
| 15:19.14 | Gnea | getty1: well that's up to you |
| 15:19.16 | stew | jetscreamer: no package is missing |
| 15:19.18 | jetscreamer | !depends locales |
| 15:19.21 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 15:19.24 | dpkg | locales: depends on glibc-2.5-1, debconf | debconf-2.0 |
| 15:19.27 | jetscreamer | i gathered that |
| 15:19.46 | getty1 | Gnea well some of it's upto me |
| 15:20.02 | AMORTVIGIL | ive just installed etch but now i miss an hard disk, how can i find my harddisk back it issnt in the "disks" section and it isnt in /dev/ what can i do? |
| 15:20.23 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: how many ide controllers |
| 15:20.27 | jetscreamer | have disks |
| 15:20.28 | getty1 | Gnea but I'll bet a few reading already know what the issue is |
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| 15:20.53 | getty1 | Gnea and this is my first time on this channel |
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| 15:20.57 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: better error message might help |
| 15:20.59 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer :? |
| 15:21.09 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer : there is no error |
| 15:21.11 | AMORTVIGIL | :P |
| 15:21.24 | AMORTVIGIL | there is only that the system dont recognize my harddisk |
| 15:21.24 | jetscreamer | o... beyond me then |
| 15:21.31 | AMORTVIGIL | ^ |
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| 15:21.58 | ChaosR | I have a problem, I have installed windows after linux, now I'm trying to do: "sudo chroot /media/hda1 grub-install /dev/hda1" on knoppix, but grub-install complains about /dev/null, what should I do |
| 15:22.28 | jorgp | ChaosR: always install windows before linux |
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| 15:22.39 | gameman | ChaosR: the problem is that your in a chroot probebly |
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| 15:22.44 | Gnea | ChaosR: why use knoppix? |
| 15:22.46 | jetscreamer | use the grubshell to boot the linux |
| 15:22.55 | gameman | you could remount the /dev filesystem into the chroot |
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| 15:23.23 | Gnea | ChaosR: use debian to fix a grub issue for debian, use knoppix to fix a knoppix issue |
| 15:23.24 | jetscreamer | Please restart any running Iceweasels |
| 15:23.50 | ChaosR | jorgp, you can't always do that. Gnea, shouldn't make a difference |
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| 15:24.00 | jetscreamer | boot the knoppix cd, get the grubshell, boot the debian |
| 15:24.07 | robin_sz | bah ... |
| 15:24.14 | Gnea | ChaosR: and why's that? |
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| 15:24.33 | jorgp | ChaosR: why is that? |
| 15:24.35 | robin_sz | this debian server was set up and is used also by a french guy .... hwo can i get sense out of it in English?? |
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| 15:24.52 | getty1 | Gnea I think ChaosR is running Live |
| 15:25.07 | ChaosR | jorgp, I have a 4 months old debian that fit my needs |
| 15:25.16 | Gnea | getty1: sure about that? |
| 15:25.25 | getty1 | Gnea not really |
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| 15:25.27 | jetscreamer | when the knoppix cd first boots you can hit c or esc to get the grubshell, iirc... not sure exactly how though |
| 15:25.29 | ChaosR | Gnea, yes, i'm running live |
| 15:25.43 | LoonaTick | I've set up a new bind9 master server on a debian machine, however it doesn't think it's a master itself: Apr 16 17:02:16 pollux named[19271]: zone db.xxx.xx6.140/IN: refresh: non-authoritative answer from master xxx.xx6.241.3#53 - Anyone know what config option(s) i'm missing? |
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| 15:25.46 | robin_sz | yeuw .. I can hardly understand the output od apt-get install foo |
| 15:25.49 | Gnea | ChaosR: so knoppix is installed to the harddrive that you installed windows to? |
| 15:26.01 | ChaosR | Gnea, no, I have a knoppix live cd |
| 15:26.01 | AMORTVIGIL | how can i mount a harddsk?? |
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| 15:26.18 | getty1 | Gnea I have a Knoppix CD too |
| 15:26.27 | Auscchwitz | Hai |
| 15:26.29 | ChaosR | This is the error: /usr/sbin/grub-install: line 490: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 15:26.34 | LoonaTick | AMORTVIGIL: mount -t <fs type> /dev/xxx /mnt/point |
| 15:26.36 | Gnea | i have a stack of knoppix CDs, the point is completely being missed here. |
| 15:26.56 | robin_sz | surely, just because the guy who set the box up was french doesnt meean I have to suffer error messages in french forever does it? |
| 15:26.57 | Auscchwitz | Did you try reconfiguring knoppix? |
| 15:26.58 | Gnea | !tell AMORTVIGIL about newbiedoc |
| 15:27.03 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 15:27.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:27.10 | amphi | AMORTVIGIL: normally you mount a partition, unless you've made an fs over an entire disk |
| 15:27.16 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 15:27.17 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:27.17 | getty1 | Gnea do you ever use any of your stack of knoppix CD's |
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| 15:27.29 | Auscchwitz | dpkg: Plz stop flooding |
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| 15:27.40 | Gnea | !lart Auscchwitz |
| 15:27.44 | getty1 | Gnea I haven't used any of mine in a couple of months |
| 15:27.46 | ChaosR | Gnea, i'm using knoppix here as a rescue CD, to rescue a debian installation |
| 15:27.49 | Auscchwitz | :-O |
| 15:27.57 | Auscchwitz | !lart dpkg |
| 15:28.02 | Auscchwitz | :( |
| 15:28.06 | stew | Auscchwitz: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:28.12 | Auscchwitz | No, I'm here to help |
| 15:28.18 | Auscchwitz | omg, stew is my favorite food |
| 15:28.22 | getty1 | ChaosR I haven't tried it yet but take a look also at Trinity |
| 15:28.24 | Gnea | ChaosR: your best bet is to use a debian cd to rescue debian in that fashion |
| 15:28.32 | LoonaTick | I think his questions are relatec to a holocast? |
| 15:28.44 | Auscchwitz | LoonaTick, that's a horrible thing to say |
| 15:28.50 | ChaosR | Gnea, I can't get access to IRC with the Debian netinst CD :/ |
| 15:29.23 | Gnea | ChaosR: all you have to do is boot the debian netinst cd like this: boot: linux26 root=/dev/hdaX |
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| 15:29.42 | Gnea | ChaosR: where /dev/hdaX is the root device of your debian install |
| 15:29.47 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 15:29.52 | jetscreamer | linux26 not needed |
| 15:30.02 | jetscreamer | or deprecated in etch |
| 15:30.14 | ChaosR | Gnea, I was specificly told I could use Knoppix for this |
| 15:30.28 | Gnea | jetscreamer: he didn't mention if he was using sarge or etch. he said it's been a few months since installing, sarge was stable at that time. |
| 15:30.40 | Gnea | ChaosR: by who? |
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| 15:30.41 | ChaosR | Gnea, I'm using lenny |
| 15:30.41 | wols | robin_sz: set your LANGAUGE env settings to english again |
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| 15:30.55 | warnk | i have sarge w/ mysql 5 from unstable installed, how do i go about upgrading to etch? am i going to have to unpin unstable and reinstall mysql 5 later? |
| 15:31.05 | jetscreamer | why, stew? i missed his offense? |
| 15:31.17 | wols | jetscreamer: prolonged idiocy? |
| 15:31.26 | LoonaTick | jetscreamer: -Auscchwitz- WER MUSEN DER JUDEN AUSROTTEN |
| 15:31.55 | LoonaTick | Was that a channel notice or private? |
| 15:31.55 | stew | yes, just found him in my logs from earlier |
| 15:31.55 | jetscreamer | i've seen idiots last a lot longer.. hey just look at me! |
| 15:32.06 | stew | LoonaTick: that must have been private, but he has said similar things in here in the recent past |
| 15:32.15 | wols | damn, horrible german grammar and spelling :( |
| 15:32.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ban evasion |
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| 15:32.42 | Gnea | ChaosR: you can still use it to root=/dev/hdaX, just press F2 and other F-keys at boottime to see what options there are other than just install and installgui |
| 15:32.51 | ChaosR | well, let's try when I access my debian installation, bbl |
| 15:32.59 | robin_sz | wols, yeah found that now ... |
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| 15:33.26 | jetscreamer | wtf is wrong with just catching the grubshell when the cd boots and telling it where your root hd is and using configfile directive |
| 15:33.31 | jetscreamer | sounds much simpler |
| 15:33.38 | TheMagician | In which directory are the C header files for the kernel? Running ETCH |
| 15:33.39 | jetscreamer | but hey i know nothing |
| 15:33.55 | TheMagician | kernel version is 2.6.18 |
| 15:34.02 | TheMagician | if it helps |
| 15:34.03 | jetscreamer | dang what is that stdio file missing factoid |
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| 15:34.09 | jetscreamer | !b0e |
| 15:34.14 | jetscreamer | no not that one |
| 15:34.20 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 15:34.21 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:34.32 | Gnea | TheMagician: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18 |
| 15:34.38 | TheMagician | thank you |
| 15:34.51 | jetscreamer | linux-headers-`uname-r maybe better |
| 15:34.53 | wols | jetscreamer: stdio.h are NOT kernel header files or for the kernel |
| 15:34.54 | jetscreamer | err |
| 15:34.59 | jetscreamer | linux-headers-`uname-r` maybe better |
| 15:35.07 | jetscreamer | wols: yeah i'm no dev |
| 15:35.13 | jetscreamer | that is the factoid i meant though |
| 15:35.42 | Gnea | TheMagician: try build-essential too if that doesn't work |
| 15:35.53 | TheMagician | jetscreamer: thanks, that one worked |
| 15:36.03 | liable | who said anything about stdio.h? |
| 15:36.06 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 15:36.09 | jetscreamer | me |
| 15:36.17 | liable | no |
| 15:36.26 | liable | you said kernel headers |
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| 15:36.38 | liable | wols said stdio.h |
| 15:36.39 | jetscreamer | [10.34.47] <jetscreamer> dang what is that stdio file missing factoid |
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| 15:37.01 | jetscreamer | you're right |
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| 15:37.43 | liable | ok, i retract all statements and finish my beer, then go |
| 15:37.53 | jetscreamer | no don't go who would lart me |
| 15:38.02 | jetscreamer | oh abrotman is here, nm |
| 15:38.28 | pettern | i have the same problem with fglrx as this guy: http://my.opera.com/subjam/blog/show.dml/471617 is there no precompiled package for the kernel module? |
| 15:38.40 | TheMagician | ok, linux C header files are installed, but in which directory are they? :/ |
| 15:38.46 | liable | only source packages |
| 15:39.11 | Gnea | !fglrx one-liner |
| 15:39.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 15:39.17 | jetscreamer | pettern: no it gets built when you do your thing, the way i understand the fglrx stuff.. which is nada |
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| 15:39.23 | liable | TheMagician: what exactly is the program looking for? |
| 15:40.03 | AMORTVIGIL | okej i just did what you said i read the newbiedoc but my problem isn't mounting because the harddisk isn't even in /dev so mounting will not work |
| 15:40.08 | TheMagician | liable: Im trying to install VMWare Tools, so its asking: "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" |
| 15:40.21 | TheMagician | I run Debian as virtual machine |
| 15:40.23 | AMORTVIGIL | how can i search the harddrive ? |
| 15:40.40 | liable | TheMagician: if you installed the headers for your kernel, it shouldnt be asking |
| 15:40.42 | Gnea | AMORTVIGIL: if it's not connected or detected then it can't be mounted |
| 15:40.42 | petemc | AMORTVIGIL: locate or find |
| 15:40.52 | petemc | oh, /me reads back.. |
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| 15:41.02 | liable | TheMagician: but they are in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ |
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| 15:41.07 | pettern | thanks Gnea |
| 15:41.08 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: is this pata or sata, how many hd's are in the box, and does the bios see the drive |
| 15:41.34 | TheMagician | liable: ok Ill try that directory, its giving /usr/src/linux/include as default path |
| 15:41.47 | artagnon | When I try to run 3ddesk, it says "please configure hardware acceleration". I already have the nvidia kernel module (for my nvidia graphics card). What else do I need? |
| 15:42.00 | jetscreamer | you might still need those linux-headers-`uname -r` TheMagician |
| 15:42.06 | AMORTVIGIL | petemx how can i find or locate it? jetscreamer its IDE ive 2 hd's and uhhmm i think bios sees them becaus yesterday i backed it all up before the instalation |
| 15:42.13 | TheMagician | jetscreamer: yes, I already installed them |
| 15:42.26 | jetscreamer | TheMagician: not 2.6.20 is it |
| 15:42.29 | CoolCubix | artagnon> X server must be correctly set up in order to get 3d working |
| 15:42.37 | TheMagician | jetscreamer: 2.6.18 |
| 15:42.58 | CoolCubix | artagnon> there are several documentations on how to configure Xorg with nvidia drivers |
| 15:42.58 | TheMagician | liable: well that directory doesnt exist :/ |
| 15:42.59 | petemc | AMORTVIGIL: my answer wasnt relevant to your problem |
| 15:43.00 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: you say ide but are the drives/controllers pata or sata |
| 15:43.16 | artagnon | CoolCubix: Okay, I'll read up and edit my xorg.conf accordingly |
| 15:43.41 | liable | TheMagician: its a symlink, the actual headers are in /usr/src |
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| 15:43.55 | liable | TheMagician: you *should* have it if you installed headers |
| 15:44.06 | jetscreamer | /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` :o |
| 15:44.22 | CoolCubix | artagnon> obviously you'll have to restart X every time you update /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You also should back it up (cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.working) if your next config crashes... |
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| 15:44.37 | concept10 | is there a sane way to purge old logs? |
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| 15:44.55 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamet pata |
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| 15:45.03 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer* |
| 15:45.14 | artagnon | CoolCubix: Right. I've done it many times before, no issues |
| 15:45.22 | TheMagician | liable: that directory seems to exist :) |
| 15:45.39 | jpduyx | concept10: try man logrotate |
| 15:46.06 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: ok and you said you have been able to access the new hd somehow, but not with this install of debian? |
| 15:46.26 | AMORTVIGIL | nope i had ubutnu and switched to debian |
| 15:46.41 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: you mean it worked with ubuntu? or what |
| 15:46.52 | AMORTVIGIL | yub |
| 15:47.10 | AMORTVIGIL | maybe the problem is ntfs im not sure if it was ext3 or ntfs |
| 15:47.22 | concept10 | jpduyx, ive always heard of logrotate but never ventured into it. I think its already a cron job. I wish it would rotate these logs to the trash :) |
| 15:47.51 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: does fdisk -l see the problem hd? |
| 15:48.43 | jetscreamer | concept10: i don't know anything about it, but you can probably get it to |
| 15:49.35 | getty1 | concept10 run tar on /var/log |
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| 15:50.09 | pettern | Gnea: i get "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted" when i modprobe the module |
| 15:50.14 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.ca/442934 |
| 15:50.15 | pettern | any suggestions? |
| 15:50.21 | concept10 | getty1, i dont want to compress them, im looking for something to delete old logs sanely |
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| 15:50.40 | jetscreamer | you don't need to manually modprobe the module, but it should work if you do, pettern |
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| 15:51.04 | liable | i am pretty sure you can just delete the highest numbered logs |
| 15:51.06 | getty1 | concept10 or if you need to save more hd space run tar on files inside /var/log and inside /var/log/subdirectories |
| 15:51.06 | CoolCubix | pettern> omg, i got this error, and forgot how i worked around... |
| 15:51.07 | pettern | jetscreamer: the oneliner i got did try to modprobe it |
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| 15:51.50 | concept10 | getty1, I dont want to save space, I want to clear them out.. |
| 15:52.04 | petemc | why? |
| 15:52.17 | concept10 | sanity |
| 15:52.20 | CoolCubix | pettern> maybe you could try to modprobe it under a Ctrl-Alt-FX VT session, with X stopped (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) |
| 15:52.27 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: so was that a yes or a no, i guess no, i know nothing of lvm, and hey WTF is a /dev/dm-0 |
| 15:52.31 | petemc | CoolCubix: /var/log/ can manage itself generally |
| 15:52.35 | petemc | erm, concept10 ^^ |
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| 15:53.01 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer /dev/dm-0 is the disk i mean |
| 15:53.05 | AMORTVIGIL | i think |
| 15:53.13 | liable | just dont delete the new log |
| 15:53.18 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: what exactly is on this hd of yours, what data.. do you want to keep it i mean |
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| 15:53.35 | getty1 | I don't have any new logs |
| 15:53.45 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: kinda sounds like raid to me, but i don't know lvm and i don't know raid |
| 15:53.52 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer yes this i allot music webdesign and documents |
| 15:53.58 | liable | !log |
| 15:54.07 | getty1 | well maybe one or two |
| 15:54.10 | liable | bah, who dleted that one |
| 15:54.16 | pettern | CoolCubix: could i just add it to xorg and then reboot to let xorg load it automatically? |
| 15:54.24 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: i believe that is the why, though... lvm/raid |
| 15:54.25 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer that /dev/dm-0 is not llvm |
| 15:54.33 | jetscreamer | i don't know wtf it is |
| 15:54.40 | jetscreamer | beyond me |
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| 15:54.46 | AMORTVIGIL | i think its because ntfs? |
| 15:54.51 | jetscreamer | no |
| 15:54.55 | jetscreamer | that i know |
| 15:55.00 | CoolCubix | pettern> in the Device section IIRC... Yes, it could do the trick. Don't reboot, only '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' |
| 15:55.01 | AMORTVIGIL | ok |
| 15:55.03 | jetscreamer | it could be ms lvm though |
| 15:55.09 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 15:55.29 | getty1 | damned varibles |
| 15:56.04 | pettern | CoolCubix: will try and brb |
| 15:56.09 | artagnon | I'm having problems with the nvidia kernel module. lsmod lists it but when I try startx, it says "nvidia module not found" |
| 15:56.13 | CoolCubix | pettern> good luck ;) |
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| 15:56.15 | jpduyx | concept10: it is possible to tell logrotate to keep certain logs only a certain amount of time and than delete it |
| 15:56.15 | jpduyx | see also in /etc/logrotate.d/ for examples |
| 15:56.15 | jpduyx | good luck, i'll be off now |
| 15:56.28 | artagnon | more precisely, Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 15:56.35 | concept10 | jpduyx, thanks |
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| 15:57.16 | jetscreamer | whoa.. encrypted file system? |
| 15:57.31 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=%2Fdev%2Fdm&restrict=linux |
| 15:57.37 | Knight_Lord | artagnon did you build the module? |
| 15:57.38 | artagnon | CoolCubix: Could you offer some assistance here? |
| 15:57.52 | artagnon | Knight_Lord: No, I got the binary straight away |
| 15:58.02 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:58.02 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 15:58.13 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:58.19 | Knight_Lord | oh my |
| 15:58.21 | Gnea | artagnon: oh, you need to unload it |
| 15:58.28 | Gnea | artagnon: let X load it itself |
| 15:58.34 | Gnea | otherwise it fails |
| 15:58.35 | artagnon | Gnea: Okay |
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| 15:58.37 | jetscreamer | artagnon: you got the .run you mean and ran it, which builds the module... |
| 15:58.40 | CoolCubix | artagnon> i never owned any nvidia card... but i did it for ATI |
| 15:59.25 | artagnon | Gnea: I unloaded it, but it still says the same thing |
| 15:59.30 | jetscreamer | the moudle is modprobable unless of course it's already loaded, but you don't have to modprobe it xorg will load it automagically |
| 15:59.34 | Gnea | artagnon: try rebooting |
| 15:59.37 | artagnon | jetscreamer: umm... I don't know |
| 15:59.48 | artagnon | Gnea: And not loading the nvidia module ever, right? Okay |
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| 15:59.53 | artagnon | CoolCubix: Okay |
| 15:59.56 | artagnon | brb |
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| 16:00.08 | jetscreamer | !dmraid |
| 16:00.09 | dpkg | dmraid discovers block and software RAID devices (eg, ATARAID, <fakeraid>) by using multiple different metadata format handlers which support various formats (eg, Highpoint 37x series). It offers activating RAID sets made up by 2 or more discovered RAID devices, display properties of devices and sets. |
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| 16:01.25 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: what os created the 'partitions' on the hd in the first place |
| 16:02.32 | AMORTVIGIL | i think ubuntu but it could be widdows too |
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| 16:02.42 | artagnon | Gnea: Sorry, didn't work either |
| 16:02.44 | artagnon | same message |
| 16:03.03 | artagnon | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 16:03.31 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer i tested those /dev/dm-X are LVM there is no harddrive there |
| 16:03.51 | artagnon | Anyone has any other bright ideas? Btw, I removed the Load "dri" line and changed "vesa" -> "nvidia" from the original xorg.conf that worked |
| 16:04.07 | artagnon | to get this non-working one |
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| 16:04.21 | wols | artagnon: how did you install? nvidia.com isntaller or debian way? |
| 16:04.28 | artagnon | wols: The debian way |
| 16:04.44 | justin | artagnon: did you actually install nvidia-glx? |
| 16:04.45 | artagnon | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 << That one right there |
| 16:05.14 | baxter_kylie | Hi. First time debian user. Is there something special I'm supposed to do to get a script in cron.daily to run? I thought it was as simple as placing the script in the dir... but it's definitely not running. |
| 16:05.15 | artagnon | justin: No, I forgot :P |
| 16:05.16 | wols | there is more to the nvidia drivers |
| 16:05.20 | artagnon | I'm getting it now |
| 16:05.34 | artagnon | wols: What's that? |
| 16:05.59 | artagnon | And these are free drivers right? |
| 16:06.05 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.10 | wols | no they are not free at all |
| 16:06.22 | petemc | they're costless |
| 16:06.28 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: what does fdisk -l /dev/dm or /dev/dm- or /dev/dm<TAB> return |
| 16:06.30 | artagnon | oh damn |
| 16:06.34 | wols | oa_: they cost nerves... |
| 16:06.46 | CoolCubix | baxter_kylie> I didn't work with cron scripts, but generally speaking : are they executable (chmod +x) ? who do they own ? did you try to run them from a terminal to see if it was working ? |
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| 16:06.59 | artagnon | I thought there were free alternatives. I knew there weren't any a year back |
| 16:07.24 | getty1 | baxter use run-parts to check the corn jobs |
| 16:07.30 | purplepenguins | you want cron scripts to be exectutable, and usually owned by the user you want to execute them |
| 16:07.37 | drwahl | Hello. I am using Debian Sarge, and I just installed a couple new hard drives (both on the second IDE controller) and I do not know how find them. I know I need to mkfs then mount them, but I do not know which /dev/hd?? they are |
| 16:07.56 | jetscreamer | hdc and hdd drwahl |
| 16:07.57 | artagnon | justin: You hit the nail right on the head. It works perfectly now. Thanks a bunch |
| 16:08.12 | jetscreamer | hdc1, hdc2.. hdd1,hdd2... |
| 16:08.14 | jetscreamer | partitons |
| 16:08.15 | artagnon | Is there any way to get rid of that non-free nvidia splash? |
| 16:08.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:08.27 | artagnon | jetscreamer: How?? |
| 16:08.28 | jetscreamer | in xorg.conf artagnon |
| 16:08.32 | purplepenguins | they will be hdc and hdd so long as hda and hdb exist on the first ide channel |
| 16:08.37 | artagnon | jetscreamer: What exactly? |
| 16:08.44 | drwahl | jetscreamer: I tried doing: mkfs -t ext3 hdc1 and i got an error that says the device does not exist |
| 16:08.45 | jetscreamer | Option"NoLogo""1" |
| 16:08.50 | purplepenguins | that is, you need to have two IDE devices on the first channel |
| 16:08.55 | artagnon | jetscreamer: Which section? |
| 16:08.57 | baxter_kylie | CoolCubix: 0744 owned by root and it executes perfectly. |
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| 16:09.03 | jetscreamer | drwahl: they have to be partitioned |
| 16:09.11 | purplepenguins | if you have only one on the first IDE channel they will probably be hdb and hdc |
| 16:09.16 | jetscreamer | artagnon: http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
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| 16:09.35 | Nolep | hi all |
| 16:09.51 | drwahl | jetscreamer: I thought that mkfs did the partitioning. Do I need to do something else like parted? |
| 16:09.51 | jetscreamer | drwahl: it would be mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc1 |
| 16:09.53 | purplepenguins | no |
| 16:09.56 | Nolep | what about this? W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 16:09.58 | jetscreamer | no partitioning is fdisk or cfdisk |
| 16:09.58 | lontra | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries <-- what dev packages would i need to add? |
| 16:10.00 | purplepenguins | fdisk can do partitioning too |
| 16:10.08 | purplepenguins | fdisk /dev/hd* |
| 16:10.13 | drwahl | ok |
| 16:10.21 | wols | lontra: x11-dev or xlibs-dev of such |
| 16:10.25 | jetscreamer | lontra: xserver-xorg-dev maybe, or others |
| 16:10.30 | jetscreamer | what wols said |
| 16:10.34 | purplepenguins | it has a help thing to learn how to use it |
| 16:10.38 | artagnon | jetscreamer: Got rid of it. Thanks! |
| 16:10.44 | Nolep | i've downloaded the key and import it, than export armor but nothing |
| 16:10.47 | wols | libx11-dev |
| 16:11.11 | jetscreamer | drwahl: you partition the hd (/dev/hda or so) and mkfs the partitions (/dev/hda1 or so) |
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| 16:11.17 | lontra | wols: thanks |
| 16:11.31 | purplepenguins | mkfs only formats |
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| 16:11.43 | drwahl | jetscreamer: ok, now that is making more sense. I will give it a try. Thanks |
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| 16:12.10 | jetscreamer | !etch key |
| 16:12.10 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 16:12.17 | Nolep | can someone help me? |
| 16:12.28 | jetscreamer | !tell Nolep -about etch key |
| 16:12.31 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer : some disk infrormation: Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 16:12.36 | Nolep | i've installed debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:12.39 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:12.40 | CoolCubix | baxter_kylie> on some forum I saw people complaining solve their way using another cron daemon, fcron in their case. But i don't know at all if it's the cause of problem |
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| 16:12.55 | jetscreamer | and did apt-get update again, Nolep ? |
| 16:13.04 | Nolep | of course |
| 16:13.18 | drwahl | jetscreamer: Do I want a DOS or Sun partition? I will be sharing the drive via samba to a buncha computers. |
| 16:13.45 | purplepenguins | you want a linux partition |
| 16:13.51 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: does fdisk -l /dev/dm<TABKEY> do anything |
| 16:13.55 | Thms | !one-liner |
| 16:13.59 | Nolep | i've also did gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys "key" and than gpg --armor --export "key" | apt-key add - |
| 16:14.11 | Nolep | but without result |
| 16:14.34 | jetscreamer | drwahl: the fs doesn't matter for samba, but you 'probably' want type 83(linux) and then mkfs.ext3 it later |
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| 16:14.43 | AMORTVIGIL | no |
| 16:14.45 | purplepenguins | what fs is on the drive won't matter for samba, so long as linux can read it |
| 16:14.46 | Nolep | with apt-key list i obtain this |
| 16:14.50 | drwahl | jetscreamer: ok |
| 16:14.55 | Nolep | pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expired: 2007-02-07] |
| 16:14.56 | Nolep | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 16:15.07 | Nolep | the key result expired!! |
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| 16:15.45 | edthefox | q |
| 16:15.59 | baxter_kylie | CoolCubix: I'm sure I could use crontab to fix it... but I'm more concerned that these scripts aren't running in general. It seems out of place. |
| 16:16.44 | jetscreamer | AMORTVIGIL: my 'guess' is you either need to back the data up, from ubuntu(the install cd doubles as a livecd so you could use that) and repartiton/format it, or learn about lvm or raid or dmraid.. but that's about as far as i can go w/o doing that myself |
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| 16:16.57 | jetscreamer | !tell AMORTVIGIL -about dmraid |
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| 16:17.35 | CoolCubix | baxter_kylie> unfortunately I don't know more about cron jobs... |
| 16:17.40 | jetscreamer | Nolep: you should try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade just for giggles |
| 16:17.58 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer smart ide |
| 16:18.27 | baxter_kylie | Hmm. Now I wish vixie-cron was on debian. At the very least I'm familiar with that. |
| 16:18.28 | drwahl | jetscreamer: I understand what a partition is/does, but what is the difference between a partition and what mkfs does? |
| 16:18.40 | HardDisk_WP | !acx100? |
| 16:18.40 | dpkg | acx100 is, like, wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:18.41 | FelipeSouza | I need some help, i'm using BitchX now because after i upgrade from oldstable(some times ago was stable) to stable, the XServer isn't working |
| 16:18.48 | jetscreamer | drwahl: do you know dos? fdisk vs format |
| 16:19.08 | drwahl | jetscreamer: ok, that is what i thought. |
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| 16:19.16 | jetscreamer | mkfs = format kindaa |
| 16:19.30 | jetscreamer | mostly quickformat |
| 16:19.33 | Ronin | FelipeSouza: any errors? messages? what happens when you try startx? |
| 16:19.38 | purplepenguins | hmm, interesting |
| 16:19.41 | purplepenguins | !madwifi |
| 16:19.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 16:19.43 | AMORTVIGIL | jetscreamer thanx for help |
| 16:19.58 | purplepenguins | atheros++ |
| 16:20.08 | FelipeSouza | Ronin: startx xterm: "Bad command line option "xterm"" |
| 16:20.14 | jetscreamer | !atheros++ |
| 16:20.18 | jetscreamer | you mean |
| 16:20.26 | getty1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.35 | purplepenguins | no, I'm just saying that I love my atheros wireless card |
| 16:20.36 | Ronin | FelipeSouza: i dont mean start an app i meant at the command line when the computer boots up you type startx |
| 16:21.14 | getty1 | bbl :) |
| 16:21.19 | jetscreamer | getty1: is that a nice way of saying 'stfu already dude!' |
| 16:21.21 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:21.42 | FelipeSouza | Ronin: The X starts, but go down in next |
| 16:21.51 | FelipeSouza | Ronin: some assertions failed |
| 16:21.51 | Ronin | FelipeSouza: errors? messages? |
| 16:21.53 | Nolep | jetscreamer, i've commented the lines in source.list and added a new repository, we'll see next week for a resolution |
| 16:22.02 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
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| 16:22.16 | FelipeSouza | Ronin: Glib-GObject assertion failed: G_IS_OBJECT |
| 16:22.20 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:22.47 | getty1 | jetscreamer replace stfu with how the f do yya do it :) |
| 16:22.47 | FelipeSouza | Ronin: Pando-CRITICAL: assertion PANGO_IS_FONT(font) failed |
| 16:22.54 | purplepenguins | ouch |
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| 16:23.17 | jetscreamer | getty1: years of wasting my life on computers and irc |
| 16:23.24 | getty1 | hehe |
| 16:23.25 | purplepenguins | when a font isn't a font you know you have problems |
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| 16:23.52 | FelipeSouza | This problem occurs after an upgrade. |
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| 16:24.16 | FelipeSouza | It never ocurred |
| 16:24.58 | jetscreamer | purge it and reinstall |
| 16:25.13 | repyskichboarder | hark are you there? |
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| 16:25.21 | Ronin | !tell FelipeSouza about drxx |
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| 16:25.24 | CoolCubix | Feinorgh> Are you using debian unstable ? Is your update completed (try apt-get -f install) ? are the only ideas i have in the head for your problem |
| 16:25.25 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 16:25.26 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 16:26.08 | purplepenguins | ouch |
| 16:26.12 | purplepenguins | that looks awful |
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| 16:26.56 | jetscreamer | the second is more for a portable install, and the first is more like in-place |
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| 16:27.58 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: do ou remember me? |
| 16:28.27 | FelipeSouza | Ronin: I edited my .xinitrd to "xterm", it's starting ok. |
| 16:28.40 | jetscreamer | from 10 minutes ago? yes. beyond that, no... :/ |
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| 16:29.21 | Honzika | hi, what is name czech debian chatroom, please |
| 16:29.34 | baxter_kylie | Is there a way to send a system wide message on console? |
| 16:29.44 | cattail | haha |
| 16:29.53 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: I can't set the right resolution of the screen, my icons are enormouse |
| 16:29.58 | peppe | baxter_kylie: wall |
| 16:30.04 | cydork | !cz |
| 16:30.05 | dpkg | cz is, like, Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 16:30.20 | Honzika | ok |
| 16:30.58 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: sounds like 640x480 to me... are you the lcd guy with the weird 1280x800 res? |
| 16:31.14 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: yes I am |
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| 16:32.19 | Honzika | there is only a little people :-( |
| 16:32.20 | Honzika | so bye |
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| 16:32.21 | jetscreamer | i'm reading up on you again repyskichboarder |
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| 16:33.04 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 16:33.32 | stickybit` | skim system tray icon is not showing any options to choose... what to do for this? |
| 16:34.15 | Thms | !nvidia_sarge |
| 16:34.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia_sarge is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (make sure to have contrib and non-free in your sources.list - ask me about <non-free>) |
| 16:35.19 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: ok so you hand edited your xorg.conf. did you ever dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and get it to write the new file? |
| 16:35.23 | pettern | CoolCubix: the oneliner for ati worked except loading the module. so i did the rest and rebooted and now it works fine:) |
| 16:35.48 | CoolCubix | pettern> great ^^ |
| 16:36.05 | repyskichboarder | uhm |
| 16:36.07 | repyskichboarder | no |
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| 16:37.03 | FelipeSouza | Quit |
| 16:37.07 | FelipeSouza | ops |
| 16:37.46 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: do that, with the -phigh .. less /etc/X11/xorg.conf, line 17 or so, to see what it says about it and why to use -phigh |
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| 16:38.05 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 16:38.15 | repyskichboarder | I've done dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 16:38.24 | jetscreamer | 16-18 |
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| 16:38.31 | repyskichboarder | now I read the conf file |
| 16:38.33 | jetscreamer | ok so did it write the new xorg.conf out? |
| 16:38.34 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 16:40.30 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: uhm, what I am looking for? |
| 16:41.10 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 16:41.11 | jetscreamer | to see if the new values/settings you specified were actually written this time, has the file changed, did it work |
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| 16:41.45 | n0mad | anyone knows if there is an open-office irc channel on freenode ? |
| 16:41.49 | jetscreamer | afaik all the other times you tried, it didn't, because you hand edited it, and didn't use -phigh |
| 16:42.06 | jetscreamer | yes #openoffice.org iirc |
| 16:42.09 | jetscreamer | !oo |
| 16:42.09 | dpkg | from memory, oo is normally "object oriented", but lately it's come to mean "Open Office" too |
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| 16:42.21 | jetscreamer | ooops wrong factoid |
| 16:43.04 | artagnon | my usplash isn't working. I installed the usplash package and debian during the installation process automatically replaced my old initrd with the one it built, but no bootsplash so far. How do I diagnose the problem? |
| 16:43.20 | n0mad | jetscreamer: thx |
| 16:43.27 | mfrisch | artagnon: add a vga line in grub |
| 16:43.47 | mfrisch | !vga modes |
| 16:43.59 | jetscreamer | there is a bootsplash module in the kernel, but i think that is different type or something |
| 16:44.22 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 16:44.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 16:44.29 | artagnon | jetscreamer: Huh? it's in the ramdisk |
| 16:44.29 | mfrisch | artagnon: you may need to add a splash=slilent too |
| 16:44.37 | artagnon | mfrisch: I need to know where to put what exactly |
| 16:44.43 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: I don't see it,I see "if you have edited thi file but would like it to be automaticaly updated again, run the following command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 16:44.50 | artagnon | In the kernel line, what VGA mode? |
| 16:44.54 | jetscreamer | artagnon: afaict, there are 2 or 3 different types of 'bootsplash' |
| 16:45.10 | jetscreamer | artagnon: see the hwinfo factoid maybe |
| 16:45.15 | artagnon | jetscreamer: Yes, this one patches the RAMdisk |
| 16:45.18 | artagnon | !hwinfo |
| 16:45.18 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 16:45.45 | jetscreamer | it was only about 9 lines up in your screen ... |
| 16:45.46 | artagnon | mfrisch: splash=silent? are you sure? |
| 16:46.29 | mfrisch | artagnon: no..check in /usr/share/docs/bootsplashname |
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| 16:46.44 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: yes that explains the command i suggested you do... examine the file and see if it is correct, the way you wanted it to be |
| 16:46.48 | artagnon | mfrisch: Right. I will. Thanks for the help |
| 16:46.49 | jetscreamer | or paste it |
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| 16:47.44 | alexis | vga=792 it the 1024x... console framebuffer |
| 16:47.48 | alexis | in grub |
| 16:47.48 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: you should probably do hwinfo --monitor and make the v&h rates what hwinfo returns |
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| 16:48.05 | artagnon | alexis: 792? Okay |
| 16:48.11 | alexis | yes |
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| 16:48.35 | alexis | when you booting the install |
| 16:48.40 | alexis | enter f6 |
| 16:48.42 | alexis | and |
| 16:48.49 | alexis | vga=792 |
| 16:48.50 | hark | repyskichboarder: yes |
| 16:49.02 | artagnon | alexis: I can put it in the menu.1st, np |
| 16:49.09 | alexis | yes |
| 16:49.20 | jetscreamer | artagnon: you should probably test it once eh |
| 16:49.36 | artagnon | jetscreamer: No worries, I'm putting in a backup line too |
| 16:49.45 | artagnon | and btw, I'm not so quick at typing |
| 16:49.47 | artagnon | :P |
| 16:50.06 | jetscreamer | !tell repyskichboarder -about hwinfo |
| 16:50.06 | alexis | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 16:50.06 | alexis | root (hd0,1) |
| 16:50.06 | alexis | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 root=/dev/sda2 ro vga=792 |
| 16:50.07 | alexis | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 16:50.16 | artagnon | no pasting |
| 16:50.26 | repyskichboarder | hark I tryed to comment but my icons is always enormouse |
| 16:50.29 | artagnon | but that's fine, what I'm typing too |
| 16:50.55 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: I post the con |
| 16:51.00 | repyskichboarder | *conf |
| 16:51.13 | jetscreamer | link? |
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| 16:51.36 | repyskichboarder | http://pastebin.ca/443067 |
| 16:51.36 | artagnon | brb |
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| 16:51.43 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.ca/443067 |
| 16:51.56 | alexis | soryy debhelper |
| 16:52.07 | jetscreamer | it's a bot |
| 16:52.18 | alexis | ok :) |
| 16:52.21 | hark | repyskichboarder: did you comment out HorizSync and VertRefresh under Section "Monitor"; and the whole thing from SubSection "Display" to EndSubSection with # |
| 16:52.25 | swami | tell me a paste page |
| 16:52.32 | swami | where i can paste my code |
| 16:52.38 | repyskichboarder | hark yes |
| 16:52.40 | swami | others to see it |
| 16:52.59 | repyskichboarder | but my icons were enormouse |
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| 16:53.11 | repyskichboarder | if I set the resolution higher gdm crash |
| 16:53.14 | jetscreamer | hark: no he didn't http://pastebin.ca/443067 |
| 16:53.21 | jetscreamer | he just did the v&h rates |
| 16:53.29 | repyskichboarder | I did it |
| 16:53.50 | repyskichboarder | I can try again |
| 16:53.51 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: from your file, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg 'didn't work' |
| 16:53.59 | jetscreamer | or they wouldn't be commented still |
| 16:54.08 | hark | heh, right |
| 16:54.37 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: what does hwinfo --monitor return, at the bottom, about the v&h rates |
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| 16:55.01 | hark | and see the resolution too to confirm it's 1280x800 |
| 16:55.02 | repyskichboarder | wait a second |
| 16:55.06 | alexis | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:55.09 | repyskichboarder | after commenting those line |
| 16:55.18 | repyskichboarder | I have to restart gdm ok? |
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| 16:55.31 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 16:55.44 | jetscreamer | oh it's running |
| 16:55.52 | rahul | %badger |
| 16:55.52 | badgers | from memory, badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 16:55.56 | rahul | hrm |
| 16:56.00 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
| 16:56.00 | artagnon | The good news is that the vga=792 seemed to work. The bad news is that it hung at "Waiting for root filesystem" |
| 16:56.02 | rahul | %badger dancek |
| 16:56.03 | badgers | ENOUGH |
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| 16:56.13 | artagnon | I have no idea why it hung |
| 16:56.17 | repyskichboarder | ? |
| 16:56.28 | hark | repyskichboarder: yes |
| 16:57.07 | concept10 | anyone know what's this big gnome announcement is about? |
| 16:57.17 | alexis | where you place vga=792 |
| 16:57.21 | alexis | line kernel |
| 16:57.23 | rahul | concept10: #gnome? |
| 16:57.28 | artagnon | alexis: in the kernel line |
| 16:57.29 | repyskichboarder | hark the icons remains enormouse |
| 16:57.32 | repyskichboarder | brb |
| 16:57.35 | alexis | ok |
| 16:57.36 | concept10 | rahul, they are not going to say |
| 16:57.38 | artagnon | alexis: The kernel /vmlinuz line |
| 16:57.43 | rahul | concept10: oh well. |
| 16:57.51 | alexis | test vga=791 |
| 16:58.01 | rahul | concept10: is it life-threatening that you don't know? |
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| 16:58.11 | artagnon | alexis: For every test I have to reboot, or is there some other way |
| 16:58.18 | artagnon | I want to test the bootsplash atleast |
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| 16:58.29 | alexis | you have reboot |
| 16:58.31 | concept10 | rahul, I hate surprises. Tell me now. |
| 16:58.37 | artagnon | :( |
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| 16:58.41 | artagnon | here goes |
| 16:58.43 | artagnon | brb |
| 16:58.47 | rahul | !penixstrike concept10 |
| 16:58.47 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking concept10 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:58.50 | hark | repyskichboarder: try xrandr -s 1280x800 |
| 16:58.51 | rahul | surprise. |
| 16:58.56 | concept10 | rahul, heh |
| 16:59.28 | concept10 | rahul, who do they think they are? apple? tell me whats going on, its an open environment |
| 16:59.45 | pmv | they're taking lessons from jobs :-p |
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| 17:00.39 | concept10 | I guess they are going to announce that they might stop removing shit and adding features |
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| 17:01.57 | azeem | concept10: please keep it on topic |
| 17:01.58 | artagnon | alexis: Nope, it just hangs there |
| 17:02.06 | artagnon | Hang again at the same place |
| 17:02.23 | adamant1988 | Maybe, they're following Havoc's advice :) |
| 17:02.27 | concept10 | azeem, whats off topic |
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| 17:02.38 | alexis | ok Couleurs640x480800x6001024x7681280x1024 |
| 17:02.38 | alexis | 256769771773775 |
| 17:02.38 | alexis | 32768784787790793 |
| 17:02.38 | alexis | 65536785788791794 |
| 17:02.38 | alexis | 16.7 million786789792795 |
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| 17:02.41 | artagnon | I need to fundamentally analyse the situation. I mean how can a bootsplash stall a root filesystem from being mounted? |
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| 17:03.04 | jones- | Hi. |
| 17:03.30 | jones- | I have this error doing a dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/p/kAeqQl89.html |
| 17:03.30 | jones- | Can anyone help, please? |
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| 17:04.39 | artagnon | Doesn't anyone have experience with usplash? I installed usplash, it rewrote my initrd during installation. Step 2: I put in a vga=792 into my kernel line. The bootup hangs at "waiting for root filesystem". What's the problem? |
| 17:05.03 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hi, how are you? |
| 17:05.33 | hark | repyskichboarder: well? |
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| 17:06.01 | Fox_1_ | people what to write in source.list for etch repository |
| 17:06.03 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 17:06.05 | alexis | my sugjestion is simple framebuffer in your booting console |
| 17:06.09 | repyskichboarder | hark here I am |
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| 17:06.21 | repyskichboarder | hark xrandr -s 1280x800 ? |
| 17:06.29 | Fox_1_ | i need full line |
| 17:06.30 | hark | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg sources.list /msg dpkg etch security |
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| 17:06.42 | fenrir | I can print OK from most GUI applications using cups, but I can't seem to get lpr to work. Any ideas? |
| 17:06.45 | mfrisch | abrotman: you see what happened at virginia tech?? |
| 17:06.46 | hark | repyskichboarder: yes, what happens when you run it? |
| 17:06.49 | mfrisch | abrotman: ;-( |
| 17:07.03 | alexis | unistale usplash |
| 17:07.24 | repyskichboarder | hark size not found in avaible modes |
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| 17:07.29 | mfrisch | fenrir you have lp command? |
| 17:07.37 | repyskichboarder | hark I've installed hwinfo |
| 17:07.39 | artagnon | alexis: What was that again? |
| 17:07.49 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok, run hwinfo --monitor |
| 17:07.52 | repyskichboarder | done |
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| 17:08.02 | repyskichboarder | which info do you need? |
| 17:08.04 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks |
| 17:08.17 | stickybit` | Fox_1_: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 17:08.23 | Fox_1_ | every time i'm forget about dpkg :) |
| 17:08.25 | hark | repyskichboarder: the Resoultion line first |
| 17:09.00 | falkon | Does anyone know about getting monitor mode and packet injection working for the ipw2200 wireless driver under lenny? |
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| 17:09.20 | repyskichboarder | Uhm on line 8 I have Resolution 1280x800@60Hz |
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| 17:09.25 | artagnon | !hwinfo |
| 17:09.25 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 17:09.59 | pythonic | ha! microsoft worried about google monopoly: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1660157.ece |
| 17:10.21 | repyskichboarder | After, I have Detailed timings Resolution:1280x800 orizontal ....... ...... vertical ................. |
| 17:10.35 | repyskichboarder | on orizontal and vertical I've a lot of values |
| 17:10.51 | hark | repyskichboarder: yes, that's your native resolution.. that's ok. See just the Vert. Sync and Hor Sync lines |
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| 17:11.24 | hark | though Xorg should really detect this by itself... |
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| 17:11.30 | mfrisch | kopete is on crack |
| 17:11.33 | vin` | repyskichboarder: intel graphics chip? |
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| 17:12.02 | repyskichboarder | Orizontal: 1280, 1320, 1360, 1440 (+40 +80 +160) -hsync |
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| 17:12.37 | repyskichboarder | Vertical : 800 803 809 823 (+3 +9 +23) -vsync |
| 17:12.49 | repyskichboarder | vin nvidia |
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| 17:13.09 | repyskichboarder | vin` |
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| 17:13.16 | vin` | repyskichboarder: ok |
| 17:13.20 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok, wait. run drxx again, choose 1280x800 only and the Simple monitor option. Just hit enter for most all options |
| 17:13.34 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:13.48 | repyskichboarder | drxx =dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 17:13.57 | hark | yes |
| 17:13.57 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:14.00 | falkon | Does anyone know of a howto on getting packet injection and monitoring mode gwith ipw2200? |
| 17:14.23 | izzyb | I've recently installed etch from the net install cd with the root partition on LVM and now it fails to find the root partition on boot. Is this a known issue? |
| 17:14.28 | dokma | I need to downgrade my php to 4.4.2 for the purpose of debugging extension to work |
| 17:14.33 | dokma | how I go about that? |
| 17:14.41 | dokma | etch |
| 17:14.44 | dokma | testing |
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| 17:15.05 | repyskichboarder | hark ok done, now restart gdm? |
| 17:15.10 | hark | yeah |
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| 17:15.40 | repyskichboarder | hark it crash :( |
| 17:15.46 | LeddyHM | Where do I look for more information regarding "security emails" i.e. "Failed ssh attempt" emails I receive? |
| 17:15.47 | falkon | dokma: one way, go fetch the .deb for that php and dpkg -i. You might be able to get it with the debian-archive source. Check the mirror list |
| 17:15.55 | repyskichboarder | damn |
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| 17:16.09 | dokma | falkon you think the dependencies wont go nuts? |
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| 17:17.06 | izzyb | I can boot the etch net install cd into rescue mode and it is able to find and load the lvm root partition |
| 17:17.25 | falkon | dokma: they probably will if you have something that depends on the newest php4 |
| 17:17.35 | dokma | i see |
| 17:17.38 | dokma | thank you |
| 17:17.52 | falkon | wish I could help you more |
| 17:17.56 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok, run it again.. choose a lower resolution for now.. but before that what does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? |
| 17:18.18 | falkon | does anyone know anything about getting packet injection and monitoring mode working with ipw2200 |
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| 17:18.39 | izzyb | Does the initrd need to contain lvm tools/modules for it mount root from an lvm volume? |
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| 17:18.56 | Enverex | Can someone give me a quick rundown on the different versions of Debian and their names please? |
| 17:19.04 | Enverex | (cleaning up the Wine AppDB) |
| 17:19.21 | h3sp4wn | sarge = oldstable etch=stable lenny=testing sid=unstable |
| 17:19.22 | hark | Enverex: /msg dpkg release history |
| 17:19.26 | Ronin | sarge-old stable, etch-stable, lenny-testing |
| 17:19.28 | Ronin | doh |
| 17:19.39 | falkon | does anyone know anything about getting packet injection and monitoring mode working with ipw2200 in lenny |
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| 17:19.55 | Enverex | Ronin, and their numbers? |
| 17:20.31 | hark | falkon: man iwconfig... google? |
| 17:20.36 | repyskichboarder | Uhm hark I can't see any error |
| 17:20.56 | simonrvn | lenny doesn't have a number yet |
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| 17:20.59 | Enverex | What version number is Sid? |
| 17:21.07 | simonrvn | doesn't have one |
| 17:21.33 | Enverex | Hmm, messy |
| 17:21.35 | repyskichboarder | except AIGLX: screen 0 is not dri capable |
| 17:21.36 | simonrvn | sarge, 3.1, etch 4.0 |
| 17:22.03 | hark | repyskichboarder: that is not fatal.. can you pastebin the log? |
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| 17:22.35 | purplepenguins | sid is the perpetually unstable |
| 17:22.49 | Enverex | purplepenguins, Ah, so it's a rolling version?" |
| 17:22.59 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:23.10 | simonrvn | sid == unstable, no version number ^^^ |
| 17:23.19 | purplepenguins | unstable gives things to testing, testing gets fixed up and prettied up with new stuff, eventually it is stable enough to supplant stable |
| 17:23.28 | falkon | hark: ipw2200 is kind of particular. I'm not sure how to install the latest ipw2200 driver with debain Debian HAS the ipw2200 module as a package, but I don't know if it's the latest driver, because airodump doesn't seem to work right |
| 17:23.45 | hark | falkon: etch or sarge? |
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| 17:23.56 | falkon | lenny |
| 17:24.08 | purplepenguins | what is the new testing |
| 17:24.13 | simonrvn | lenny |
| 17:24.18 | falkon | purplepenguins: lenny |
| 17:24.21 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 17:24.22 | hark | falkon: ok, the driver is already in the kernel... did you get the firmware? |
| 17:24.30 | purplepenguins | been a while since I watched toy story |
| 17:24.55 | falkon | hark: yes, I got the newest firmware, loaded into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 17:25.01 | xand | it's time |
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| 17:25.12 | falkon | hark: wifi works, but I don't think monitor mode does |
| 17:25.43 | hark | falkon: iwconfig ethN mode monitor? |
| 17:26.01 | repyskichboarder | ufffffffffff |
| 17:26.50 | xand | pardon? |
| 17:26.51 | dalias | does debian by default have anything that would update/resync the system clock suddenly? |
| 17:26.57 | baxter_kylie | Hi. I have a basic (unmodified) etch installation and have noticed that none of the scripts in cron.(daily|hourly|monthly|weekly) are running... Is there a reason / solution for this? |
| 17:26.57 | Enverex | Ok, thanks guys |
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| 17:27.05 | mfrisch | dalias: ntpdate?? |
| 17:27.26 | repyskichboarder | hark wait a second |
| 17:27.28 | dalias | i've been having this problem where every once in a while, i press a key for about a second and an application behaves as if the key repeated several hundred times |
| 17:27.37 | dalias | which sounds like it's due to clock jump |
| 17:27.38 | repyskichboarder | hark but yesterday it was working :( |
| 17:27.52 | mfrisch | baxter_kylie: probally no email server |
| 17:28.01 | simonrvn | or buggy kbd/ hardware |
| 17:28.05 | dalias | mfrisch, i don't seem to have any ntp stuff installed |
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| 17:28.14 | mfrisch | dalias: weird. |
| 17:28.29 | dalias | simonrvn, it's at the software level because the key isn't physically stuck |
| 17:28.43 | dalias | if i move the mouse to a different window, the hundreds of repeats still go to the old window |
| 17:28.44 | hark | repyskichboarder: with 1280x800? did you change anything? |
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| 17:29.00 | dalias | which wouldn't happen if the hardware were generating the extra events |
| 17:29.03 | xand | dalias: space-time disturbance |
| 17:29.03 | baxter_kylie | mfrisch: What does an email server have to do with the function of cron scripts? (And I do have one -- the scripts in cron.d actually are running -- I had an mdadm device failure and was mailed when the check script in cron.d ran) |
| 17:29.21 | dalias | it mainly happens in firefox when i'm using keyboard to scroll |
| 17:29.31 | famir | how can i run a script when the os starts ? |
| 17:29.35 | simonrvn | that's probably firefox |
| 17:29.37 | dalias | and annoyingly scrolls several pages without letting me stop it |
| 17:29.41 | mfrisch | baxter_kylie: cool. check your logs |
| 17:29.42 | abrotman | mfrisch: wait .. i don't live in VA .. do i care ? |
| 17:29.45 | dalias | simonrvn, heh |
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| 17:29.51 | xand | there is no firefox in debian :O |
| 17:29.56 | mfrisch | abrotman: it is a tech school? |
| 17:29.59 | dalias | iceweasel, heh |
| 17:30.06 | repyskichboarder | hark yesterday I was using 1280x800 and 1***x8** |
| 17:30.06 | dalias | such a bad name :P |
| 17:30.30 | dalias | debian should have called it FireOx :) (ox goes with the gnu/bison/etc. theme :) |
| 17:30.57 | simonrvn | wasn't up to debian to name it, they're just packaging it |
| 17:31.03 | xand | orly |
| 17:31.07 | dalias | it's debian's fork |
| 17:31.07 | repyskichboarder | hark http://pastebin.ca/443146 |
| 17:31.14 | dalias | isn't it? |
| 17:31.37 | xand | yes, named by debian... |
| 17:31.42 | simonrvn | no, gnu project, iirc... at least iceape is |
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| 17:31.53 | xand | simonrvn: that's a different iceweasel |
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| 17:31.57 | simonrvn | not sure about ice{dove,weasel} |
| 17:32.01 | rahul | assweasel! |
| 17:32.08 | stew | simonrvn: debian's iceweasel doens't have anything to do with gnu's iceweasel |
| 17:32.11 | xand | there are two iceweasels, both are firefox rebrands |
| 17:32.14 | rahul | assbadger? |
| 17:32.18 | baxter_kylie | mfrisch: I have this: [datetime] [host] /USR/SBIN/CRON[5990]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 17:32.23 | simonrvn | stew: oh, ok |
| 17:32.27 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 17:32.28 | baxter_kylie | mfrisch: But it does not run. |
| 17:32.29 | xand | stew: why the hell do they have the same name? |
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| 17:32.54 | rahul | xand: because debian decided that 'assbadger' wouldn't be appropriate |
| 17:32.56 | stew | xand: becuase debian made a bad decision about using the same name that gnu was alreaady using |
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| 17:33.26 | simonrvn | !spank rahul |
| 17:33.45 | mfrisch | ehw |
| 17:33.50 | simonrvn | *oinkoink* |
| 17:33.55 | xand | oh, the names are not quite the same... the gnu one has a capital W in ;) |
| 17:34.31 | stew | GNU's iceweasel is a deeper fork |
| 17:34.47 | dalias | it would be really nice to have a deeper fork |
| 17:34.53 | dalias | one which removes all the windowsisms |
| 17:34.53 | simonrvn | salad fork instead of a dessert fork? |
| 17:35.02 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok. you should unselect all the remaining resolutions when you drxx.. and go with a lower frequency. |
| 17:35.03 | dalias | and makes it back into a proper unix program |
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| 17:35.46 | xand | SPORK |
| 17:35.50 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 17:36.05 | simonrvn | useless for soup though </ot> |
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| 17:36.09 | repyskichboarder | hark but the resolution I'm using it's 1280x800 or 640x480 ? |
| 17:36.19 | simonrvn | dalias: that would be nice |
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| 17:36.42 | falkon | hark: seems to be working now. I guess I just had to restart for the new driver to get loaded |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | stew: how was the party ? |
| 17:37.01 | dalias | the most annoying thing is the 'scrolling on' plugin/popup/etc warning |
| 17:37.10 | falkon | hark: haven't tried packet injection, but monitoring is working like a champ |
| 17:37.16 | dalias | on my laptop it takes 5 seconds to scroll on and the browser freezes the whole time |
| 17:37.19 | rahul | abrotman: Jay Sulzberger was there |
| 17:37.25 | rahul | so it was fun, heh |
| 17:37.34 | abrotman | rahul: did Nyle show up ? |
| 17:37.37 | rahul | yeah |
| 17:37.40 | hark | yeah, it's much improved now |
| 17:37.48 | rahul | he came to my place first, and then we headed down there |
| 17:38.15 | abrotman | rahul: you guys got high first? weirdos |
| 17:38.22 | hark | repyskichboarder: it says Hsync out of range.. so try a lower one |
| 17:38.43 | mfrisch | abrotman: pre-party ;-) |
| 17:38.44 | falkon | hark: ipw2200 native kernel support is crap, but debian was awesome enough to include the latest driver modules as packages in testing |
| 17:38.52 | rahul | abrotman: no, unfortunately |
| 17:39.00 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 17:39.04 | rahul | abrotman: we listened to progressive death metal instead |
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| 17:39.13 | repyskichboarder | hark 1280x800 and 800x600? |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | even worse! |
| 17:39.17 | rahul | heh |
| 17:39.21 | repyskichboarder | hi abrotman |
| 17:39.27 | rahul | fucking crazy technical shit |
| 17:39.33 | falkon | i didn't know there was such thing as progressive death metal |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | rahul: ah .. yeah .. crap |
| 17:39.43 | rahul | falkon: death metal in general is prog |
| 17:40.02 | hark | repyskichboarder: the frequency "Hz" etc |
| 17:40.07 | rahul | well, in the 90s it was, and there are still progressive bands in the genre |
| 17:40.17 | falkon | I also don't know the exact definition of "progressive" rock/metal |
| 17:40.28 | rahul | falkon: heh, it's hard to define |
| 17:40.28 | abrotman | hi repyskichboarder |
| 17:40.30 | hark | falkon: what's modinfo ipw2200 |grep version say? |
| 17:40.49 | rahul | falkon: to some extent, it's music that isn't just hooks and choruses repeated. |
| 17:41.08 | repyskichboarder | hrk the lower Hz right? |
| 17:41.09 | rahul | falkon: almost the opposite of pop music |
| 17:41.12 | falkon | rahul: that's just about all music I hear these days |
| 17:41.22 | falkon | rahul: well, all music that isn't crap |
| 17:41.32 | rahul | falkon: nah, there's some good pop |
| 17:41.45 | hark | repyskichboarder: what are the values now.. check your xorg.conf.. for both Horz and Vert |
| 17:41.50 | rahul | it's just that pop music is easy to make, so crappy musicians can make it |
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| 17:41.56 | falkon | hark: 1.2.1 |
| 17:42.03 | rahul | heh |
| 17:42.15 | rahul | abrotman: while dpkg is spanking me? |
| 17:42.20 | falkon | rahul: the only thing that's considered pop that I like is 'The Killers" |
| 17:42.23 | abrotman | no .. sicko |
| 17:42.29 | rahul | abrotman: and I'm listening to death metal? |
| 17:42.32 | abrotman | !tell caribou_ about root |
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| 17:42.43 | abrotman | rahul: you're a sick little cow |
| 17:42.45 | rahul | falkon: yeah. they're ok. I like Killing Heidi, an aussie band |
| 17:42.49 | repyskichboarder | hark horizsync 30-67 vertrefresh 30-60 |
| 17:42.50 | robin_sz | sigh, Linux doesnt seem to want to play nicely with my new printer :( Xerox phaser |
| 17:42.52 | rahul | !moo |
| 17:42.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:42.58 | repyskichboarder | but it doesen't works |
| 17:43.14 | robin_sz | doesn't work! |
| 17:43.20 | Mooi | Hello, I mounted a NFS system, but I get "permission denied" error when trying to create a file or modify a file. /mnt/gt/homedraxas 10.0.0.7(rw,sync) |
| 17:43.20 | repyskichboarder | Ups |
| 17:43.27 | Mooi | what would be wrong here? |
| 17:43.29 | falkon | rahul: ahh, reread what you said there. I see how it could be called progressive |
| 17:43.33 | Mooi | I am on sid |
| 17:43.34 | robin_sz | !doesn't work |
| 17:43.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:43.40 | repyskichboarder | "doesn't works! |
| 17:43.56 | falkon | oh noes? |
| 17:44.05 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok, change the horiz one to 30-50 and the Vert to 59-61 |
| 17:44.13 | rahul | falkon: current prog death metal is some amazing stuff |
| 17:44.21 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 17:44.27 | dalias | prog++, death-- |
| 17:44.27 | hark | falkon: yeah, they are much newer than the ones in the kernel |
| 17:44.29 | Mooi | Hello, I mounted a NFS system, but I get "permission denied" error when trying to create a file or modify a file. /mnt/gt/homedraxas 10.0.0.7(rw,sync) . What is the problem? I am on Debian Sid. |
| 17:44.42 | robin_sz | it seems there are drivers for the older xerox phasers, like the 850, but not the shiny new ones |
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| 17:44.59 | rahul | falkon: psyotic for example |
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| 17:45.14 | caribou_ | hello :) |
| 17:45.23 | rahul | erm |
| 17:45.26 | caribou_ | I'm wondering if 'checkinstall' is a default debian package :) |
| 17:45.28 | rahul | falkon: psyopus |
| 17:45.28 | repyskichboarder | hark now restart gdm? |
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| 17:45.38 | hark | repyskichboarder: yup |
| 17:45.49 | caribou_ | because I can't start it :( |
| 17:46.05 | repyskichboarder | grrr |
| 17:46.12 | repyskichboarder | hark still crash :((((((((( |
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| 17:46.53 | hark | repyskichboarder: what's the error now? |
| 17:47.37 | repyskichboarder | hark don't know |
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| 17:48.03 | repyskichboarder | hark in the first log ay which line was the error? |
| 17:48.12 | repyskichboarder | http://pastebin.ca/443146 |
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| 17:48.57 | repyskichboarder | ok found it |
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| 17:50.13 | repyskichboarder | hark vrefresh out of range |
| 17:50.20 | repyskichboarder | this is the error |
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| 17:50.54 | hark | repyskichboarder: ah, ok the one i gave was high |
| 17:50.59 | baxter_kylie | Wow. That's ridiculous. cron.daily won't run anything postfixed with .sh |
| 17:51.17 | hark | repyskichboarder: try 30-60 for that one |
| 17:51.37 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 17:51.38 | dpkg | i guess qotd99 is <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
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| 17:52.52 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have a debian system on my computer that has 400 mb. How can i copy this to my 1gb pendrive and use it? |
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| 17:54.15 | dokma | use it where? |
| 17:55.38 | FernandoMM | dokma: on any pc that supports usb boot |
| 17:55.43 | repyskichboarder | hark vrefresh always out of range |
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| 17:56.23 | dokma | hmmm... haven't done that one |
| 17:56.28 | dokma | can't help u |
| 17:56.37 | pearl | where should i buy debian fan articles? |
| 17:56.38 | repyskichboarder | horiz 30-50 vert 30-60 dosen't works |
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| 17:56.47 | jelly-home | baxter_kylie: ridiculous it might be, but it is also documented in cron(8) |
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| 17:57.11 | stew | repyskichboarder: have you tried leaving them both out? often they can be autodetected if they are left out completely |
| 17:57.22 | Ronin | pearl: what are debian fan articles? |
| 17:57.34 | repyskichboarder | stew: if I comment them I get enormouse icons |
| 17:57.35 | hark | repyskichboarder: ok, just comment out both for now, and pastebin hwinfo --monitor |
| 17:57.40 | repyskichboarder | :( |
| 17:57.41 | Lcarsdata | When will debian be upgrading to the -22 kernel release? |
| 17:57.43 | repyskichboarder | ok |
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| 17:57.53 | pearl | Ronin: like coffee cups with a debian logo, or a cap... |
| 17:57.58 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: do update-pciids |
| 17:58.01 | pearl | t-shirts |
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| 17:58.19 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: did you ever do hwinfo --monitor ? |
| 17:58.23 | stew | repyskichboarder: can you post your xorg log when you have the enormouse icons? |
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| 17:58.48 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: yes |
| 17:59.03 | Ronin | pearl: debianshop.com |
| 17:59.06 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: update-pciids ? |
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| 18:00.06 | Galaxor | Hi. I wanted to tweak the initrd that came with "etch". I ungzipped it, cpio --extracted it, tweaked, cpio --created, and gzipped. Now it won't boot. |
| 18:00.06 | pearl | Ronin: k, thanks. |
| 18:00.07 | Galaxor | This is true even if I leave out the "tweak" part. |
| 18:00.28 | Galaxor | So basically, all I do is extract it and then zip it back up, and it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:00.40 | repyskichboarder | stew just a second |
| 18:00.46 | justin | Galaxor: why aren't you using the normal tools to create the ramdisk? |
| 18:00.55 | Galaxor | Cuz I just found out about them. |
| 18:01.05 | Galaxor | Should i start over? |
| 18:01.18 | justin | Galaxor: start over meaning what? |
| 18:02.29 | Galaxor | Well, I know how to tweak the scripts for the initrd that I unpacked. |
| 18:02.30 | Galaxor | The mkinitrd tools make a completely different style. I'll have to figure out how to tweak that. |
| 18:02.31 | justin | you modify the scripts outside the initrd, and re-generate it |
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| 18:03.07 | Galaxor | Yeah, I was modifying scripts/local, and changing the way it mounted the root filesystem. Now I have to figure out where that is done in this kind of initrd. |
| 18:03.19 | Galaxor | Then I need to figure out how to put those scripts in there. |
| 18:03.34 | Galaxor | I mean, it's all figure-out-able, but it means that I have to throw away the work I've done. |
| 18:03.41 | izzyb | what filesystem does iniitrd use? I'm trying to mount -o loop but it tells me I have to specify the filesystem type |
| 18:03.50 | Galaxor | Often, cramfs. |
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| 18:04.03 | izzyb | yeah, tried that one, but it says wrong magic |
| 18:04.07 | stew | izzyb: what tool created it? the more recent ones just cretae a cpio archive |
| 18:04.09 | Galaxor | izzyb: But sometimes it's just a gzipped cpio file. |
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| 18:04.35 | snoozle | Hello, did anyone ever use mnogosearch? |
| 18:04.52 | Galaxor | It just seems like, if I gunzip, cpio -extract, don't change anything, cpio -create, and gzip it, it should still work. |
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| 18:05.30 | Galaxor | I'm sure that whatever I'm missing is something small. Maybe an argument to cpio. And if I can figure it out, I can save myself some time where I don't have to figure out the mkinitrd way of doing things. |
| 18:06.07 | mijenix | is it possible that a problem exists between debian mac installation and when the hd is formatted with hfs+ |
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| 18:06.22 | izzyb | hmm, I've never played with a cpio version of initrd, but since I cant mount it, that's likely the problem |
| 18:06.25 | Jojosan | hello |
| 18:06.57 | izzyb | so I've already unzipped it, how do I extract it, modify, and recreate it then? |
| 18:06.59 | repyskichboarder | stew xorg log http://pastebin.ca/443228 hark hwconfig http://pastebin.ca/443233 |
| 18:07.22 | Galaxor | izzyb: I can tell you how I did it, but it's guaranteed to fail. |
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| 18:07.30 | Galaxor | izzyb: If you figure it out, tell me. |
| 18:07.38 | izzyb | Galaxor, hehe :) I figured as much |
| 18:07.54 | snoozle | Anyone? |
| 18:07.58 | dokma | I see my repository has this php package php4_4.3.10-19_all.deb |
| 18:08.11 | dokma | but when I do apt-get install php4=4.3.10-19 |
| 18:08.15 | dokma | it does not work |
| 18:08.24 | dokma | what am I missing? |
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| 18:09.01 | h3sp4wn | izzyb: find . | cpio --quiet --dereference -o -H newc | gzip -9 > initrd.new.img |
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| 18:09.19 | izzyb | Galaxor, maybe this willl help: http://wiki.openvz.org/Modifying_initrd_image |
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| 18:09.32 | izzyb | h3sp4wn, oh, thanks. :) |
| 18:10.03 | h3sp4wn | izzyb: gunzip < initrd.img-2.6.19.1-foo | cpio -i --make-directories |
| 18:10.06 | izzyb | Galaxor, also see what h3sp4wn postted :) |
| 18:10.11 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer update-pciids done |
| 18:10.18 | repyskichboarder | hark you there? |
| 18:10.24 | repyskichboarder | stewe? |
| 18:10.25 | stew | repyskichboarder: so that looks to me like the builtin 1280x800 mode on the card is out of range for the monitor, which is why it isn't being used. you might have to put a costom modeline in there in order to get 1280x800 mode that works |
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| 18:12.36 | Galaxor | I'm trying to reboot right now. |
| 18:13.09 | Galaxor | Aw hellz yeah! |
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| 18:13.20 | stew | hmm, i read that wrong, it didn't detect the hsync, did it |
| 18:13.49 | jelly-home | Lcarsdata: what -22 release? |
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| 18:13.55 | |mottafukka| | anyone know when kbuild 2.6.20 will becoma available via apt ? |
| 18:14.08 | repyskichboarder | stew how can I do that? |
| 18:14.16 | stew | |mottafukka|: yesterday |
| 18:14.17 | Lcarsdata | jelly-home: 2.6.20.7 |
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| 18:14.43 | |mottafukka| | stew: whan repositories has it ? |
| 18:14.45 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.20-686 sid |
| 18:14.46 | hark | repyskichboarder: yeah, just took a break :) |
| 18:14.58 | stew | |mottafukka|: any should, ftp.debian.org definately would |
| 18:15.03 | BUMBACL0T | what's the linux version of $me (current user) in shell script? |
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| 18:15.16 | repyskichboarder | hi hark :D |
| 18:15.16 | stew | BUMBACL0T: uname -r |
| 18:15.19 | Lcarsdata | jelly-home my pc is on 2.6.18-4 the current kernel release is 20.7 |
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| 18:15.35 | BUMBACL0T | stew, etch: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:15.40 | |mottafukka| | hmm just updated and it still is missing when i try to install the 686 headers |
| 18:15.53 | stew | !info linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 18:16.02 | stew | bah |
| 18:16.11 | BUMBACL0T | stew, im trying to do something like: cp /home/$me /var/blah/blah |
| 18:16.30 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: $HOME is $HOME ;-) |
| 18:16.48 | HostilePenguin | that is a great page on initrd |
| 18:17.23 | stew | BUMBACL0T: oh, i thought you were asking how to find out your linux version |
| 18:17.27 | jetscreamer | 15.4" WXGA (1280 x 800) TFT LCD, up to 16.7 million colors Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 |
| 18:17.30 | BUMBACL0T | jelly, what me $me, as in my username |
| 18:17.40 | stew | |mottafukka|: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-kbuild-2.6.html <- accepted into unstable yesterday |
| 18:17.42 | jetscreamer | http://us.acer.com/acereuro/page9.do?sp=page4&dau34.oid=19865&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=25&CountryISOCtxParam=US&LanguageISOCtxParam=en&ctx3=-1&ctx4=United+States&crc=2346500105 |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | whoami |
| 18:17.53 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: ^^^ |
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| 18:17.57 | |mottafukka| | stew: can u send me a link for kbuild ? |
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| 18:17.59 | stew | BUMBACL0T: $USER |
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| 18:18.14 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: interactive shells set $USER or $LOGNAME I think |
| 18:18.15 | HostilePenguin | lenny is 2.8.18-4 right? |
| 18:18.16 | jetscreamer | it doesn't say nvidia |
| 18:18.16 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: :D this is mine :D |
| 18:18.25 | purplepe1guins | 2.8? |
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| 18:18.35 | jetscreamer | Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 |
| 18:18.37 | HostilePenguin | 2.6 sorry |
| 18:18.38 | car_watt | Hi people |
| 18:18.51 | car_watt | I need help |
| 18:18.51 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: I've nvidia geforce go 7300 |
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| 18:18.59 | jetscreamer | k |
| 18:19.17 | stew | |mottafukka|: |
| 18:19.17 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.17 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.25 | BUMBACL0T | jelly-home, so $HOME == ~/ |
| 18:19.26 | BUMBACL0T | ? |
| 18:19.30 | stew | yikes |
| 18:19.36 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: yes |
| 18:19.41 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 18:19.49 | stew | |mottafukka|: http://packages.debian.org/linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 18:19.52 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: debian hates me :S |
| 18:19.54 | car_watt | I need to search file or folder with the las update in the / |
| 18:19.56 | stew | |mottafukka|: oh, its not built on all arches yet |
| 18:20.09 | car_watt | but not use find |
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| 18:20.22 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: if fact, shell expands ~ and $HOME to the same string before passing it to a command |
| 18:20.23 | jetscreamer | repyskichboarder: so did you try setting the v&h rates in xorg.conf to match what hwinfo --monitor returned for them? |
| 18:20.29 | car_watt | any suggestion |
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| 18:20.50 | jetscreamer | and uncommenting them |
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| 18:21.02 | jelly-home | car_watt: last update of what? |
| 18:21.04 | repyskichboarder | yes :( |
| 18:21.07 | twobitsprite | does debootstrap usually take a long time while "I: Retrieving Release" ? |
| 18:21.14 | twobitsprite | it seems like it's just hung there? |
| 18:21.16 | car_watt | jelly-home last update of the file |
| 18:21.18 | tenco | how can i get acroread to work? it's not in the repos, afaics and the tar.gz from adobe.com has problems with it's starting script |
| 18:21.19 | repyskichboarder | jetscreamer: hark helped me |
| 18:21.39 | twobitsprite | it's not creating any files in the directory |
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| 18:21.51 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 18:21.59 | GiabboO | I have an issue with HDPARM |
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| 18:22.08 | jelly-home | car_watt: you want to look for the newest file (the one that was changed most recently)? |
| 18:22.28 | car_watt | yes |
| 18:22.34 | GiabboO | when the init script run at boot time I get this messages: |
| 18:22.35 | GiabboO | hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 18:22.35 | tenco | i only get an "expr: syntax error", which loops forever |
| 18:22.46 | car_watt | and the most bigger jelly-home |
| 18:22.47 | GiabboO | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x20 |
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| 18:22.55 | jelly-home | car_watt: in a single directory, you can use --sort options to ls |
| 18:22.57 | Seb | hi everyone |
| 18:23.01 | GiabboO | hi Seb |
| 18:23.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove hdparm |
| 18:23.09 | Seb | is there any way to bind a special key combination to act as a paste button ? |
| 18:23.15 | car_watt | but in all directory |
| 18:23.17 | twobitsprite | tenco: try kpdf |
| 18:23.18 | Seb | in X, that is |
| 18:23.22 | jetscreamer | like mousebutton3? |
| 18:23.26 | Seb | yeah |
| 18:23.37 | Seb | but a *keyboard* combination :) |
| 18:23.40 | jetscreamer | or ctrl+v ? |
| 18:23.49 | HostilePenguin | what will 2.6.20 be when it comes to lenny the numbers will change right? |
| 18:23.57 | tenco | twobitsprite: hmm, i have nothing from kde installed yet. |
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| 18:24.02 | Seb | jetscreamer: i want something that works anywhere in X, without each application knowing about it |
| 18:24.02 | jelly-home | car_watt: you'd need a construct using find I guess |
| 18:24.04 | jetscreamer | there are >1 clipboards active though afaict |
| 18:24.22 | jetscreamer | ctrl+v usually works for paste, ctrl+c to cut iirc |
| 18:24.26 | jetscreamer | or copy i forget |
| 18:24.28 | car_watt | yes with find but with other command |
| 18:24.33 | simonrvn | shift-insert |
| 18:24.34 | jelly-home | car_watt: why? |
| 18:24.36 | stew | Seb: how would that work if the application doesn't know about it? |
| 18:24.37 | simonrvn | for paste |
| 18:24.39 | twobitsprite | tenco: how about xpdf-reader |
| 18:24.43 | purplepe1guins | how long will etch be stable, I wonder |
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| 18:24.46 | jetscreamer | shift ins & shift del seem to work a lot too |
| 18:24.52 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:24.53 | Seb | simonrvn: thx a lot ! |
| 18:24.55 | dkr | Seb: I turn my insert key into a paste button for xterms at least, via my .Xresources: XTerm*VT100.Translations: #override\n\<KeyPress>Insert : insert-selection(PRIMARY, CUT_BUFFER0)\n |
| 18:25.09 | Seb | dkr, simonrvn: sweet, thx a ton |
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| 18:25.18 | tenco | twobitsprite: dunno how i can print only odd/even pages with that |
| 18:25.25 | Seb | stew: ctrl-v and mousebutton3 are different, you know what i mean |
| 18:25.37 | jetscreamer | different clipboards |
| 18:25.39 | car_watt | ok because I has a db in the server and went I used find the % of processor is very biggest |
| 18:25.43 | \amethyst | stew: PRIMARY is the thing middle-click uses |
| 18:25.47 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:25.54 | \amethyst | Seb: ^^ |
| 18:25.58 | Seb | yep yep |
| 18:26.00 | twobitsprite | tenco: hmm... dunno what else to tell you... you could always google for "acroread debian" or something... |
| 18:26.00 | Seb | sweet |
| 18:26.19 | jelly-home | car_watt: uh, your english is rather bad, what is your native language? |
| 18:26.28 | jetscreamer | acroread is in marillat's isn't it |
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| 18:26.49 | simonrvn | xpdf... |
| 18:27.04 | car_watt | ohhh so sorry jelly-home dont worry about it |
| 18:27.37 | simonrvn | Seb, thank jetscreamer too ;) |
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| 18:27.46 | jetscreamer | i like the copy/paste in xpdf |
| 18:27.56 | jetscreamer | no don't , i prefer to remain anonymous |
| 18:28.14 | jelly-home | car_watt: I don't worry, but I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say |
| 18:28.47 | car_watt | ok look I explain the situation jelly-home |
| 18:28.57 | pearl | jelly-home: you've never seen real bad english :D |
| 18:28.59 | simonrvn | yeh, rectangular selection, it's quite amusing |
| 18:29.03 | pearl | my english is bad :D |
| 18:29.10 | muhoo | bah, amd64 and ia64 are substantially different, eh? |
| 18:29.13 | jetscreamer | my spanish is bad |
| 18:29.17 | Techdeck | Hello, did anyone ever use mnogosearch? I'm having some problems with the search.htm file |
| 18:29.18 | jetscreamer | my french is worse |
| 18:29.19 | simonrvn | so's mine |
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| 18:29.35 | muhoo | i was told that ia64 and amd64 were the same thing, but i guess not |
| 18:29.38 | pearl | muhoo: yea, the ia is intel architecture, the other amd :D |
| 18:29.42 | simonrvn | no they aren't |
| 18:29.45 | muhoo | wait. |
| 18:29.51 | jetscreamer | i'd like to figure out how to select the entire .pdf though |
| 18:29.54 | muhoo | is ia64 the alpha? |
| 18:29.57 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:30.02 | stew | muhoo: ia64 is itanium |
| 18:30.07 | jetscreamer | ia64 is itanium |
| 18:30.10 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:30.13 | muhoo | hmm.... i have a core duo. is that amd64 or ia64? |
| 18:30.17 | pearl | i thinked ia is intel architecture? :D |
| 18:30.19 | stew | muhoo: amd64 |
| 18:30.20 | muhoo | core 2 duo |
| 18:30.21 | jetscreamer | hey it lined up well though |
| 18:30.23 | muhoo | thanks |
| 18:30.23 | Seb | dkr: care to apste this .Xdefault somewhere on the net ? |
| 18:30.26 | simonrvn | echo echo echo.. ech.. ec.. e.. |
| 18:30.29 | muhoo | thanks |
| 18:30.34 | Seb | dkr: i'm trying to figure out the newlines heh |
| 18:30.34 | |chiz| | core duo = x86 |
| 18:30.50 | pearl | muhoo: no no, core duo is ia |
| 18:30.58 | stew | pearl: you are wrong |
| 18:30.58 | muhoo | wait |
| 18:31.06 | simonrvn | pearl: *bzzt* |
| 18:31.07 | car_watt | I need to search all fine or folder in the directory / jelly-home |
| 18:31.08 | muhoo | i'm totally confused here. core 2 duo is ia64? |
| 18:31.08 | jelly-home | pearl: refugees from DEC who had worked on alpha have also worked in Itanium I think |
| 18:31.09 | dkr | Seb: ah, yeah, that can get a bit confusing, the newlines have to be escaped. I'll paste my whole translations entry |
| 18:31.09 | kbidd | |chiz|, yes, I think you might be right that the core duo is x86, but he is asking about the core 2 duo |
| 18:31.16 | stew | muhoo: no, amd64 |
| 18:31.18 | car_watt | I need to search all file or folder in the directory / jelly-home |
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| 18:31.19 | stew | !ia64 |
| 18:31.20 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 18:31.20 | car_watt | sorry |
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| 18:31.22 | muhoo | thank you |
| 18:31.23 | jelly-home | muhoo: core2duo is amd64 |
| 18:31.36 | simonrvn | car_watt: updatedb; locate foo |
| 18:31.40 | Seb | dkr: oh ok, i was indeed wondering if the newlines were to be put litteraly in the file |
| 18:31.45 | muhoo | ok... time to download some more cdroms... |
| 18:31.51 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a WLAN manager other than kwlan/kwifi?!?! |
| 18:31.57 | pearl | Itanium is the brand name for 64-bit Intel Microprocessors that implement the Intel Itanium architecture (formerly called IA-64.) Intel has released two processor families using the brand: Itanium and Itanium 2. |
| 18:31.58 | HardDisk_WP | both are unusable here -.- |
| 18:32.01 | pearl | iam really wrong :D |
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| 18:32.11 | dkr | hrm channel paste is broken: The proxy server could not handle the request GET /paste/. |
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| 18:32.34 | Seb | dkr: just paste it somewhere and paste the URL manually :) |
| 18:32.39 | Seb | in here I mean |
| 18:32.47 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: see dkr's last post "dkr> hrm channel paste is broken: The proxy server could not handle the request GET /paste/." |
| 18:32.59 | dkr | I am, but I still need to maek people aware that dpkg is telling people to use a broken url :) |
| 18:33.08 | stew | dkr: which url are you talking about? |
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| 18:33.11 | simonrvn | it's recently borked |
| 18:33.21 | dkr | <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 18:33.47 | gameman | ok, i need help with lame again.. it segfaults when using an mp3 for input |
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| 18:34.00 | gameman | ive tried both a debian package and building from source with the same effect |
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| 18:34.09 | abrotman | !lame |
| 18:34.09 | dpkg | it has been said that lame is Binary packages available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ -- Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. |
| 18:34.25 | benklop | does anyone here know of a good howto for ldap authentication? |
| 18:34.25 | dkr | Seb: http://sial.org/pbot/24263 |
| 18:34.33 | purplepe1guins | !ogg |
| 18:34.33 | dpkg | well, ogg is a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is a Xiph project, patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Ogg files generally end in .ogg. ask me about xiph |
| 18:34.51 | Seb | dkr: thx very much ! |
| 18:34.54 | w00ter | I have issues with the sarge version of samba, I'd like to go unstable with that particular package, what is the best way to go about it |
| 18:35.16 | simonrvn | w00ter: you don't? |
| 18:35.38 | w00ter | I do not what? |
| 18:35.42 | gameman | abrotman: deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia/ etch main << thats a line for debian-multimedia, correct? |
| 18:35.49 | simonrvn | esp. considering that there's a new glibc in sid... |
| 18:35.52 | jelly-home | w00ter: what kinda issues, and why wouldn't etch (stable) be an option? |
| 18:35.55 | stew | w00ter: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:36.39 | muhoo | ok, another stupid question: my laptop will not boot off of the amd64 cd |
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| 18:36.42 | muhoo | it is a core2duo |
| 18:36.50 | dob1 | hi, i have this problem when i try to install sun-java5-jre on etch http://rafb.net/p/gMxcCD11.html |
| 18:36.52 | muhoo | it won't even load syslinux off of the thing |
| 18:36.55 | w00ter | jelly-home: it conflicts with samba installations I have on my personal computer, the unstable version is the same i use on my own pc. I am hoping that that will solve the prob |
| 18:36.58 | |chiz| | muhoo: you can install either the amd64 kernel or the 686 kernel, I would go with the 686 kernel my self |
| 18:37.23 | digits | :resize 24 |
| 18:37.36 | muhoo | no, i mean, the laptop will not even boot off of it. won't even get into DOS mode to load syslinux and the debian installer splash screen and boot options! |
| 18:37.37 | dob1 | any help with this? |
| 18:37.39 | digits | duh |
| 18:37.46 | abrotman | gameman: seems correct |
| 18:37.56 | gameman | abrotman: ok, thats what im having problems with |
| 18:37.57 | jelly-home | w00ter: "conflicts"? |
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| 18:38.02 | abrotman | gameman: problems being ? |
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| 18:38.13 | dob1 | the problem is with sun-java5-bin |
| 18:38.20 | gameman | segfaults when i try to use an mp3 file for input... using the --mp3input argument |
| 18:38.22 | w00ter | jelly-home: I can't see which computers are online |
| 18:38.35 | w00ter | When I turn off the servers' running samba, all is fine |
| 18:38.46 | muhoo | |chiz|: it doesn't even get that far |
| 18:38.57 | muhoo | is there a boot usb image for amd64 etch? |
| 18:39.04 | gpm | dob1: did you try removing it and re-installing? |
| 18:39.06 | muhoo | this machine *will* boot off of USB |
| 18:39.09 | jelly-home | w00ter: it might be a misconfiguration problem? |
| 18:39.11 | stew | muhoo: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 18:39.14 | muhoo | thanks |
| 18:39.15 | dob1 | gpm: yes a lot of times |
| 18:39.22 | w00ter | jelly-home: I think not |
| 18:39.26 | |chiz| | muhoo: which disc are you using? |
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| 18:39.50 | muhoo | |chiz|: amd64 etch 4.0r0 |
| 18:39.53 | muhoo | cd1 |
| 18:40.01 | gpm | dob1: huh...did you check out the bts? |
| 18:40.30 | dob1 | gpm: ok but is the stable, just released... |
| 18:40.33 | jelly-home | w00ter: anyway, the version in stable is currently the same as in unstable, 3.0.24-6 ... if you have to, it might be less painful to upgrade to stable. |
| 18:40.45 | |chiz| | muhoo: did you try the x86 disc? or do you really need a 64bit kernel? |
| 18:40.47 | gameman | abrotman: just getting segfaults when i use an mp3 file for input, with the --mp3input argument |
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| 18:40.56 | muhoo | stew: those instructions are for sarge. the etch image does *not* have the files talked about in that howto |
| 18:41.04 | w00ter | jelly-home: I am already looking into upgrading from sarge to etch. |
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| 18:41.10 | gpm | dunno |
| 18:41.18 | muhoo | stew: sorry, the etch amd64 image does not. the etch i386 might |
| 18:41.34 | jelly-home | w00ter: you don't need unstable then |
| 18:41.42 | w00ter | I know ;) |
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| 18:41.58 | w00ter | Just looking into what files to backup before doing the upgrade |
| 18:42.12 | w00ter | Think I'll just tar the /etc directory |
| 18:42.17 | gpm | dob1: yeah, that sucks: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390296 |
| 18:42.51 | onix | if i want to have 2 distros on my grub, what should i do? the image of the one is /boot/vmlinuz and the other's is /mnt/hd/boot/vmlinuz26 ? is that correct? |
| 18:43.33 | valdyn | onix: most certainly not as an entry in grub's menu.lst |
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| 18:43.49 | onix | valdyn: then how? |
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| 18:43.53 | muhoo | heh, oh wait,maybe it does |
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| 18:44.08 | dob1 | gpm: the last message on this bug report is 04 jen 2007 |
| 18:44.13 | maddash | onix: what device is mounted to /mnt/hd? |
| 18:44.23 | maddash | onix: check your fstab |
| 18:44.24 | valdyn | onix: the path given the the kernel in grub is relative to / of the system you are booting |
| 18:44.32 | markybob | muhoo: btw, if you want flash on your amd64 etch box, /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper |
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| 18:45.14 | muhoo | markybob: thanks. |
| 18:45.21 | onix | valdyn: then i have to use /mnt/hd/... |
| 18:45.33 | valdyn | onix: nope |
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| 18:45.53 | valdyn | onix: RELATIVE to / |
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| 18:46.03 | valdyn | onix: of the OTHER distro |
| 18:46.05 | stew | muhoo: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 18:46.19 | w00ter | When dist-upgrading can I just use stable as a keyword in sources.list or does it HAVE to be etch? |
| 18:46.22 | stew | muhoo: should be on any mirror |
| 18:46.24 | abrotman | markybob: i heard that thing is as buggy as an Indiana Jones Dinner Party! |
| 18:46.34 | stew | w00ter: it can be stable. etch is recommended |
| 18:46.41 | muhoo | got it, thanks |
| 18:47.02 | markybob | abrotman: only plugin i've used it with has been flash, and i havent had any problems with that. cant say about other plugins, though :) |
| 18:47.12 | stew | w00ter: and it is not recommended to just run "dist-upgrade" to upgrade to etch, read the release notes |
| 18:47.14 | onix | valdyn: so i set /dev/hda2 and /boot/vmlinuz for the one and /dev/hda5 and /boot/vmlinuz26 for the other? |
| 18:47.21 | valdyn | onix: more precisely its relative the what you give to grub with 'root (hdx,x)' |
| 18:47.37 | BUMBACL0T | is there a channel that can help me write this shell script? |
| 18:47.37 | valdyn | onix: but that doesnt matter unless you have /boot on a seperate partition |
| 18:47.38 | muhoo | stew: thanks, i found it |
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| 18:47.43 | valdyn | onix: yea |
| 18:47.50 | w00ter | stew: I am reading an article about it |
| 18:47.53 | abrotman | markybob: you didn't even like my analogy! |
| 18:48.07 | muhoo | wow, the cdrom version of that is just an initrd and a vmlinuz. looks like all i need is syslinux and that's it. |
| 18:48.19 | onix | grub-install now gives me The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 18:48.21 | markybob | abrotman: actually took me a minute to understand it ;) been a while since i've seen those movies |
| 18:48.26 | onix | what should i do? |
| 18:48.40 | stew | onix: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:48.49 | onix | stew: no |
| 18:48.59 | BUMBACL0T | ok, how can i insert a line to a text file |
| 18:49.04 | stew | onix: is /proc and /sys mounted? is /dev populated? |
| 18:49.37 | onix | stew: when? |
| 18:49.58 | stew | onix: before you run grub-install |
| 18:50.07 | stew | BUMBACL0T: what do you mean exactly? |
| 18:50.29 | onix | stew: yes |
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| 18:50.47 | BUMBACL0T | stew, i want to insert "1024x768" to a text file |
| 18:51.33 | stew | BUMBACL0T: where? at the end? |
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| 18:51.34 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: insert where? |
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| 18:51.41 | spectrm | BUMBACL0T: echo "1024x768" >> /path/to/file |
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| 18:51.58 | BUMBACL0T | valdyn, beside "640x480" |
| 18:52.31 | Techdeck | sed 's,"640x480",& "1024x768",g' file |
| 18:52.39 | BUMBACL0T | im writing a script that will add "1024x768" beside "640x480" |
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| 18:53.33 | Techdeck | BUMBACL0T, add a -i if you actually want it to change the file |
| 18:53.36 | Techdeck | make sure it does it correctly |
| 18:53.45 | BUMBACL0T | Techdeck, will that add the quotation marks? |
| 18:53.49 | Techdeck | yup |
| 18:53.53 | BUMBACL0T | k |
| 18:53.56 | BUMBACL0T | good look |
| 18:53.58 | onix | stew: .. |
| 18:53.59 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: why aren't you using a text editor? |
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| 18:54.09 | Techdeck | because he's making a script |
| 18:54.11 | BUMBACL0T | valdyn, im writing a shell script |
| 18:55.16 | Techdeck | BUMBACL0T, sounds like an xorg.conf script, it will fsck up in case there's no 640x480 yaknow. |
| 18:55.21 | BUMBACL0T | Techdeck, yes |
| 18:55.30 | Techdeck | show me the whole line |
| 18:55.33 | Techdeck | maybe there's a better solution |
| 18:55.34 | BUMBACL0T | Techdeck, you get the point though |
| 18:55.41 | BUMBACL0T | Techdeck, i don't have it with me |
| 18:55.47 | Techdeck | alrighty then |
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| 18:56.58 | BUMBACL0T | i will paste the whole code in a minute |
| 18:57.10 | Techdeck | might want something like, sed 's,Modes.*".*x.*".*,& "1024x768",g' |
| 18:57.29 | Techdeck | that should be a little more accurate |
| 18:57.35 | amortvigil | Hey is it possible to run xgflr(something like it) ati videocard driver in debian? |
| 18:57.47 | h3sp4wn | !fglrx |
| 18:57.47 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 18:58.04 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 18:58.23 | tonyb2006 | !any idea's |
| 18:59.23 | elenril | how do i pass options to configure when building from source package? |
| 18:59.47 | |chiz| | amortvigil: yes |
| 19:00.00 | jelly-home | elenril: usually, edit debian/rules |
| 19:00.05 | abrotman | elenril: rules |
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| 19:00.15 | amortvigil | coool |
| 19:00.17 | |chiz| | amortvigil: I see dkpg has answered you |
| 19:00.47 | amortvigil | !non-free sources |
| 19:00.47 | dpkg | i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 19:04.38 | amortvigil | help! |
| 19:04.39 | amortvigil | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
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| 19:05.20 | Tallu | are you root? |
| 19:05.25 | amortvigil | yes |
| 19:06.52 | tonyb2006 | Bow before me, for I am root. |
| 19:06.55 | tonyb2006 | <_< |
| 19:07.40 | abrotman | amortvigil: are you sure ? |
| 19:07.54 | amortvigil | verry sure |
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| 19:08.14 | amortvigil | shall i copie paste into pastebin? |
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| 19:09.34 | amortvigil | http://pastebin.ca/443324 |
| 19:09.37 | crazy_penguin | night allt |
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| 19:12.03 | amortvigil | modprobe fglrx gives the error |
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| 19:12.45 | tonyb2006 | that sounds like fglrx |
| 19:13.21 | BUMBACL0T | Techdeck, how do i know which || or && to add? |
| 19:13.29 | BUMBACL0T | !&& |
| 19:13.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, && is the logical `and' operator in many languages. |
| 19:13.36 | BUMBACL0T | !|| |
| 19:14.13 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: || means or |
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| 19:15.14 | n3kl__ | How can I setup a mirror port on debian? |
| 19:15.31 | n3kl__ | is it possible? |
| 19:15.34 | Vasistha | !mirror |
| 19:15.34 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 19:15.38 | Supaplex | dpkg: && is also bash/shell "control operators" (see manpage) |
| 19:15.38 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 19:15.48 | BUMBACL0T | Vasistha, so && is and? |
| 19:15.57 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: what language? |
| 19:16.05 | Tenshi | I set up a raid array on one of my machines. I took the hard drives out of that computer and placed them in their final destination (my server), but I'm having trouble recovering that array. When I run "mdrun" I get the following error: mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such device or address . The node itself is present. Am I missing a step? |
| 19:16.06 | BUMBACL0T | Vasistha, shell script |
| 19:16.17 | bonez39 | what's the highest kerne level one can apt-get install? I know 2.6.20 is out...or is it 2.6.21 now? |
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| 19:16.25 | abrotman | there is a #sed |
| 19:16.28 | n3kl__ | Vasistha: I am looking to mirror traffic from one interface card to another, not setup a apt repo. Any other ideas? |
| 19:16.34 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: depends on context, but essentially, yes. In most contexts, it means "if the previous command was successful, then execute this next command" |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | bonez39: which version of debian ? most likely 2.6.18 |
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| 19:17.01 | jelly-home | !kernel |
| 19:17.03 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.7, prepatch: 2.6.21-rc7, 2.4: 2.4.34.2, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 |
| 19:17.05 | bonez39 | abrotman, running debian 3.1 |
| 19:17.19 | bonez39 | abrotman, so I am guessing 2.6.18..... |
| 19:17.25 | Vasistha | bonez39: weren't you working on an upgrade to 4.0...? |
| 19:17.29 | jelly-home | bonez39: if you upgrade to 4.0 you get 2.6.18 |
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| 19:17.48 | bonez39 | jelly-home, how woudl I go about upgrading to 4.0? |
| 19:17.51 | bonez39 | I'd love to.... |
| 19:18.01 | bonez39 | Vasistha, no, still at 3.1.... |
| 19:18.02 | Supaplex | BUMBACL0T: man bash, search for "control operators" |
| 19:18.03 | jelly-home | !sarge->etch |
| 19:18.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 19:18.04 | slushpupie | Does anyone know of any Thunderbird2.0 deb packages out there? |
| 19:18.16 | jelly-home | bonez39: see ^^ |
| 19:18.25 | bonez39 | jelly-home, ok.. |
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| 19:18.55 | xand | nickometer dd102db1890522d3 |
| 19:18.57 | Vasistha | n3kl__: oh, indeed, that is quite different. I have no idea myself. I honestly don't even quite understand what you're asking, but if you explain it to me then someone else who understands might pitch in with a suggestion ;-) |
| 19:18.58 | xand | !nickometer dd102db1890522d3 |
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| 19:19.00 | dpkg | 'dd102db1890522d3' is 97.160% lame, xand |
| 19:19.04 | bonez39 | Vasistha, that is my machine at home which is having various issues.... |
| 19:19.04 | xand | is that all? |
| 19:19.11 | Ronin | slushpupie: not likely as its been removed and forked to iceweasel |
| 19:19.34 | Vasistha | xand: the lamest nick I was ever able to discover was something like "_________________________" |
| 19:19.37 | BUMBACL0T | this is the complete code of the script: http://pastebin.ca/443337 |
| 19:19.37 | SerajewelKS | Ronin: you mean icedove |
| 19:19.40 | BUMBACL0T | will that work? |
| 19:19.43 | slushpupie | Ronin: Im ok with a rebranded version.. |
| 19:19.45 | Ronin | SerajewelKS: that too :) |
| 19:19.46 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: /j #bash |
| 19:19.56 | Ronin | !icedove |
| 19:19.56 | dpkg | it has been said that icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 19:20.01 | SerajewelKS | slushpupie: you might wait until icedove 2.0 is in lenny and pull that in |
| 19:20.27 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: wait, n/m, this may very well be more of a debian issue |
| 19:20.34 | slushpupie | Im willing to go a bit cutting edge if there is an experimental/third-party repository |
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| 19:21.23 | elenril | can i use part-line comments in debian/rules? something like/**/ in C |
| 19:22.01 | jelly-home | elenril: it's a makefile. |
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| 19:22.22 | jelly-home | elenril: so whatever's legit in a makefile, goes |
| 19:22.39 | jelly-home | (can't answer the question though ;-) |
| 19:22.52 | Supaplex | enouf: what's head -n 1 debian/rules show? :) |
| 19:23.21 | Supaplex | enouf: nm that, wrong nick complete. |
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| 19:23.33 | bonez39 | jelly-home, are you running 4.0? |
| 19:23.33 | Supaplex | elenril: head -n debian/rules :) |
| 19:23.34 | spritian | how can i change what mirror apt-get connects to? |
| 19:23.44 | jelly-home | bonez39: why, I am. |
| 19:23.46 | Supaplex | !tell spritian -about sources.list |
| 19:23.50 | Supaplex | !tell spritian -about mirrors |
| 19:24.47 | spritian | ty |
| 19:24.54 | Supaplex | np |
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| 19:25.16 | elenril | Supaplex: ?? |
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| 19:25.45 | Supaplex | elenril: debian/rules is a executable makefile. |
| 19:26.18 | elenril | the problem being that i have no experience with editing makefiles |
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| 19:26.29 | abrotman | then why are you ? |
| 19:26.45 | xand | WHY IS ABROTMAN |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | because of the wonderful things he does |
| 19:27.07 | Vasistha | because, because, because, because, becaaaause....... |
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| 19:28.01 | n3kl__ | Does anyone know how to mirror all traffic on interface A to interface B? |
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| 19:28.51 | wintix | n3kl__: something like a bridge? brctl. |
| 19:29.24 | goingtomoonbrb | Oh, what, etch got released...? I'm on eth as testing, do I have to do anything to go to etch stable? |
| 19:29.39 | goingtomoonbrb | etch* |
| 19:29.42 | gpm | no |
| 19:29.48 | xand | goingtomoonbrb: does it say "etch" in your sources.list? |
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| 19:29.50 | gpm | as long as your sources.list says etch |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: depends on your sources.list |
| 19:29.54 | gpm | and not testing |
| 19:31.20 | n3kl__ | wintix: ah, googleing... |
| 19:31.20 | elenril | is a simple yes or no so difficult? :P |
| 19:31.21 | goingtomoonbrb | nope, it says testing |
| 19:31.21 | goingtomoonbrb | so I need to edit my sources.list to reflect it? |
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| 19:32.51 | Vasistha | elenril: your simple question is whether you can make an /* inline comment */ in a makefile? |
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| 19:33.08 | goingtomoonbrb | Does this mean I'm actually running Lenny sice I've been apt_get upgrading with testing packages? |
| 19:33.08 | abrotman | i think only # works as a comment in mak files |
| 19:33.12 | abrotman | !tell acido about away |
| 19:33.25 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: very likely |
| 19:33.29 | gpm | YEAH |
| 19:33.36 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: well fine by me |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: which means you can't really run etch now |
| 19:33.37 | gpm | unless you've not updated since the release |
| 19:33.41 | gpm | haha |
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| 19:33.49 | goingtomoonbrb | gpm: when was the release? |
| 19:33.54 | elenril | Vasistha: yes |
| 19:34.12 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm kinda out of touch with debian dev |
| 19:34.30 | goingtomoonbrb | If you can't tell |
| 19:34.36 | gpm | goingtomoonbrb: april 8 |
| 19:34.39 | abrotman | !etch |
| 19:34.40 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 19:35.19 | bonez39 | jelly-home, well, I want to upgrade to 4.0...am reading the release notes now, but for the time being, I'll just install the 4.2.6.18 kernel, and up to 4.0 down the road... |
| 19:35.20 | goingtomoonbrb | gpm: ah, okay. Yeah, being used to all the testing upgrades, I run it as a chron job every two says |
| 19:35.29 | gpm | hehe |
| 19:35.34 | gpm | well you're on lenny then |
| 19:35.42 | gpm | since there's not yet an easy way to downgrade |
| 19:35.51 | goingtomoonbrb | Probably need to get a new kernel then |
| 19:36.24 | goingtomoonbrb | Still on 2.6.15 |
| 19:36.34 | jelly-home | bonez39: I don't know how critical is your machine, but installing 2.6.18 (even from backports) will probably install udev too, and you might as well do the whole thing then. ;-) |
| 19:36.34 | gpm | i don't know about lenny, but in sid there are linux-image-2.6-[arch] packages that auto-update the kernel for you |
| 19:36.55 | goingtomoonbrb | Yeah, I know |
| 19:37.05 | goingtomoonbrb | it's that way in testing too |
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| 19:37.39 | abrotman | gpm: those are in etch and lenny |
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| 19:37.55 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: what's your CPU ? |
| 19:38.01 | goingtomoonbrb | k7 |
| 19:38.06 | bonez39 | jelly-home, certainly...I need to run a system backup before....anyway, I appreciate the pointers..... |
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| 19:38.46 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 19:39.05 | gpm | yeah, i coulda checked pdo i guess |
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| 19:40.30 | bonez39 | jelly-home, in upgrading a kernel...what does the 4 in this name mean> linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 the 2.6.18-"4"..... I notice it's either 1, 2, 3 or 4..... |
| 19:41.04 | jelly-home | bonez39: it's related to fixes debian added to 2.6.18 |
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| 19:42.04 | bonez39 | jelly-home, which does one choose then, when presented with all three or four options? |
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| 19:42.18 | abrotman | bonez39: it's the ABI version .. and it can be higher than 4 |
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| 19:42.42 | simonrvn | picking the latest one is usually wisest option |
| 19:42.43 | jelly-home | bonez39: you won't get all of them |
| 19:42.47 | bonez39 | !ABI |
| 19:42.47 | dpkg | methinks abi is application binary interface. |
| 19:42.52 | loca|host | Is it possible to debian-40r0-i386-businesscard.iso as a DHCP PXE boot ? |
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| 19:43.02 | loca|host | is there the network booting files ? |
| 19:43.06 | bonez39 | ok.. |
| 19:43.27 | petemc | loca|host: there should be a netboot image on the mirrors |
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| 19:43.34 | jelly-home | bonez39: it means the kernel modules in eg. 2.6.18-3-686 and 2.6.18-4-686 aren't compatible, so you have to rebuild any third party modules |
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| 19:44.12 | jelly-home | bonez39: the number is incremented so that the kernel doesn't even try to load old modules |
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| 19:44.52 | bonez39 | thaks |
| 19:44.53 | bonez39 | thanks |
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| 19:45.30 | simonrvn | !api |
| 19:45.30 | dpkg | well, api is (Application Programming Interface) APIs allow you to program to a pre-constructed interface (the API) instead of programming a device or piece of software directly. This allows for faster development, since programming to a device's API is designed to be easier than programming to a device directly. APIs allow you to program without having intimate knowledge of the device or software that you are sending commands to. For example, the ... |
| 19:45.34 | schoppenhauer | hello. sorry for the dumb question. but i want to use a smb-printer on which i cannot have access without a password (under windows). i am trying to install this to CUPS... but... i cannot add any password there to use, so i always get the error "Quota Limit Reached". what to do? |
| 19:46.09 | root4564 | Please help , /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo) |
| 19:46.20 | abrotman | did you mix ? |
| 19:46.26 | abrotman | root4564: which version of debian ? |
| 19:46.30 | HYPOCRISY | hey |
| 19:46.36 | root4564 | abrotman, debian 4 |
| 19:47.00 | abrotman | i seriously doubt mailman in etch is looking for glibc4 |
| 19:47.03 | abrotman | erm .. 2.4 |
| 19:47.09 | simonrvn | what are you doing with a sid libc6 in etch? |
| 19:47.12 | abrotman | root4564: dpkg -l mailman | tail -1 |
| 19:47.13 | Vasistha | abrotman: you're certain you don't have any testing, unstable, or experimental packages or references in your sources.list? |
| 19:47.15 | HYPOCRISY | fun |
| 19:47.20 | simonrvn | or mailman for that matter... |
| 19:47.21 | abrotman | Vasistha: very much so |
| 19:47.25 | abrotman | !info mailman etch |
| 19:47.31 | dpkg | mailman: (Powerful, web-based mailing list manager), section mail, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.9-7 (etch), Packaged size: 8405 kB, Installed size: 39672 kB |
| 19:47.35 | Vasistha | abrotman: oops, wrong highlight :P |
| 19:47.40 | abrotman | Vasistha: i know :) |
| 19:47.42 | simonrvn | !spank Vasistha |
| 19:47.44 | root4564 | abrotman, ok wait |
| 19:47.57 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:48.07 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 19:48.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 19:48.20 | root4564 | abrotman, ii mailman 2.1.9-7 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager |
| 19:48.24 | simonrvn | !info libc6 sid |
| 19:48.28 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4327 kB, Installed size: 10652 kB |
| 19:48.37 | abrotman | root4564: and your libc6 package ? |
| 19:49.04 | root4564 | abrotman, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:49.50 | abrotman | root4564: amd64 ? |
| 19:50.08 | root4564 | abrotman, no , Intel |
| 19:50.21 | abrotman | it's really sad when you think 65GB isn't enough to store mail for ~15 people |
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| 19:50.31 | root4564 | abrotman, Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz |
| 19:50.38 | ale2 | how can i add an app in the gnome menu ? |
| 19:50.40 | abrotman | root4564: uname -a |
| 19:50.49 | abrotman | ale2: i believe there's an editor |
| 19:50.56 | root4564 | abrotman, Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:51.56 | Jhonny | hi!!! |
| 19:51.57 | Jhonny | everyone here |
| 19:52.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: holy smokes, 65 GB?! |
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| 19:52.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: don't make fun of me .. i know it's not a lot of space |
| 19:52.23 | Jhonny | I'm new in these of linux-debian |
| 19:52.50 | simonrvn | abrotman: um, dude, on my main web host i don't have more than 48 GB ... |
| 19:52.52 | root4564 | abrotman, ? |
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| 19:52.58 | Jhonny | how can i install, java on Iceweasel |
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| 19:53.08 | abrotman | Jhonny: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:53.15 | abrotman | root4564: does the rest of mailman work ? |
| 19:53.17 | simonrvn | i have to make due with 3 GB for mail... |
| 19:53.46 | simonrvn | someone from 10 years ago say to me : "holy smokes, 3 GB?!" |
| 19:53.55 | simonrvn | says* |
| 19:53.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: you try telling my boss that noone shuld have 8.6GB of mail |
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| 19:54.32 | simonrvn | gmail doesn't do it, why should you? :P |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:54.51 | ale2 | abrotman: everything it's possible .. but i don't know what to edit .. i never had to do this before.... sorry for my english ... i can't figure out what tense to use |
| 19:54.52 | abrotman | best that could happen to her is to have it all go *poof* |
| 19:55.08 | root4564 | abrotman, gfroge need to install mailman for mailing list |
| 19:55.10 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 19:55.11 | drwahl | is there some place i can find the apt/sources.list file for each distro of debian? |
| 19:55.11 | abrotman | ale2: can't you right click on the menu and edit it ? |
| 19:55.22 | abrotman | root4564: yes .. but where did you get mailman from ? |
| 19:55.33 | simonrvn | rich people with 400 GB drives... |
| 19:55.38 | abrotman | drwahl: it's pretty simple |
| 19:55.39 | root4564 | abrotman, of apt-get |
| 19:55.48 | ale2 | heh ... it's working .. i tried once .. and it didn't work ... i guess i didn't do it the right way .. thx |
| 19:56.04 | abrotman | root4564: paste the output of `/lib/libc.so.6 ` |
| 19:56.05 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:56.05 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 19:56.14 | repyskichboarder | resolved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:56.17 | repyskichboarder | :D :D |
| 19:56.18 | abrotman | bah .. paster broken |
| 19:56.25 | repyskichboarder | hello abrotman :D |
| 19:56.33 | abrotman | hi |
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| 19:56.45 | Vasistha | drwahl: I dunno if anyone collects those for different distros. Why are you looking for such a thing? |
| 19:57.10 | ale2 | abrotman: it doesn't work ... i can only remove items ... i can't add |
| 19:57.19 | root4564 | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/xx5ZvJ57.html |
| 19:57.21 | ringo999 | hi, how do i add apt-get sources using a graphical interface? |
| 19:57.25 | simonrvn | yeh, my irssi urlgrab is getting a proxy error too |
| 19:57.35 | simonrvn | ==> [HEAD] 502 Proxy Error ... > http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:57.40 | Vasistha | ringo999: synaptic has some capability to do that |
| 19:57.47 | drwahl | Vasistha: i am running Sarge on a file server at home, and some how screwed up the sources.list, but i am also running etch on another machine at home, and i just want to keep up to date with my sources |
| 19:57.54 | Vasistha | ringo999: oh, wait, excuse me, no |
| 19:58.07 | ringo999 | Vasistha: im thinking about the basic gui you get when installing debian |
| 19:58.53 | Vasistha | drwahl: well, if you look at your etch sources.list, the sarge one should be very similar, but with 'sarge' instead of 'etch' ;-) |
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| 20:00.07 | drwahl | Vasistha: ok :) i assumed that much, but I was wondering if there is some documentation that specifies what it should be like to get basic packages |
| 20:00.13 | Vasistha | ringo999: honestly, it's not that difficult to edit sources.list manually. /msg dpkg mirrors ... and then open your /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor and specify a suitable one. We can help you with the syntax if you really need. |
| 20:00.14 | ringo999 | Vasistha: or if formatting the sources.list manually, how do in what format to edit it? |
| 20:00.17 | hark | repyskichboarder: what was it then? |
| 20:00.34 | ringo999 | Vasistha: |
| 20:00.37 | ringo999 | ok |
| 20:00.39 | Vasistha | ringo999: well, why don't you pastebin your current sources.list so we can see what you've got right now |
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| 20:02.23 | root4564 | root4564, ? :( |
| 20:02.48 | `infinity | does debian etch support SCSI Hard-Disks ? |
| 20:03.00 | root4564 | abrotman, ? :( |
| 20:03.01 | Vasistha | `infinity: I believe so, yes |
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| 20:03.35 | drwahl | `infinity: i have had some luck getting external SCSI drives working |
| 20:03.51 | `infinity | i dont have any IDE Hard-Disks, only 4x20 GB SCSI Hard-Disks |
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| 20:04.21 | repyskichboarder | hark: A panel of gnome |
| 20:04.28 | repyskichboarder | it cause the problem |
| 20:04.36 | repyskichboarder | I've delete it |
| 20:04.52 | repyskichboarder | and now it's all ok :D |
| 20:04.53 | hark | the resolution issue? |
| 20:05.22 | repyskichboarder | hark solved |
| 20:05.27 | repyskichboarder | removing the panel |
| 20:05.36 | Vasistha | !tell repyskichboarder -about enter |
| 20:05.51 | hark | really ;) |
| 20:05.59 | repyskichboarder | Vasistha: sorry |
| 20:06.10 | Vasistha | repyskichboarder: 's ok |
| 20:06.11 | repyskichboarder | hark thanks for helping me |
| 20:06.12 | Galaxor | Hm. When I'm booting up, it says "INIT: version 2.86 booting" and then hangs there. It's probably because I'm messing with how the root filesystem is mounted, sure, but I wish I could get it to be more specific about where it's hanging and why, so I could debug it. |
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| 20:06.15 | baxter_kylie | Anyone know how to get a live backup of a partition? Is such a thing even possible? |
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| 20:06.24 | Galaxor | Is there any way of getting more debugging info out of init? |
| 20:06.25 | repyskichboarder | see you tomorrow :D |
| 20:06.28 | root4564 | Vasistha, can help me? /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo) |
| 20:06.31 | Vasistha | Galaxor: uhm, do you need and have initrd ? |
| 20:06.33 | Galaxor | I have no idea what it's thinking. |
| 20:07.02 | Galaxor | Vasistha: Yeah, I've been messing with the initrd. |
| 20:07.02 | Vasistha | root4564: probbly not, abrotman knows a whole lot more than I do about that stuff. If he can't solve your problem I'm not going to pretend to know what to do |
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| 20:07.44 | Galaxor | Vasistha: I stuck an 'sh' in the init-scripts, just before it launches the real init. Poking around, everything appeared to be in order... |
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| 20:08.02 | simonrvn | root4564: you still haven't output the results of your libc6 |
| 20:08.04 | Galaxor | Vasistha: Which leads me to believe that I am wrong about what it means to be in order. |
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| 20:08.37 | Vasistha | [12:49] <root4564> abrotman, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:08.46 | hark | root4564: hmm, apt-cache policy mailman |
| 20:08.50 | simonrvn | oh, missed it |
| 20:09.10 | DavidProck1981 | has any one seen me type jibber jabber ?, if so it was my son on the pc |
| 20:09.11 | ringo999 | Vasistha: problem solved, thanks. |
| 20:09.27 | root4564 | hark, http://rafb.net/p/nb8J7s28.html |
| 20:09.35 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: haha, no ... you might consider locking your session when you leave your desk ;-) |
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| 20:10.01 | root4564 | simonrvn, http://rafb.net/p/xx5ZvJ57.html libc6 output |
| 20:10.02 | Vasistha | ringo999: you're welcome |
| 20:10.20 | ringo999 | when using apt-get, how can i see the exact version of the package im about to install, and also what path it is going to be installed to? |
| 20:10.47 | ringo999 | im gettings confused with all the different folder ... etc /opt, /usr/share, /usr/lib |
| 20:10.47 | stew | DavidProck1981: your son was asking about default block sizes for ext3 before, it wasn't jibber jabber |
| 20:10.56 | Vasistha | Galaxor: well, I'm not going to pretend to be any kind of expert here, but why don't you pastebin your grub menu.list (if you use grub) and your /etc/fstab and perhaps fdisk -l |
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| 20:11.32 | Vasistha | ringo999: alright, there are a few fundamental things you should understand here... |
| 20:11.34 | putridp | i'm trying to install a base file system for a diskless network booting client (etch is on the server and intended to be on the client). Is 'debootstrap' what i should be looking at? |
| 20:11.43 | DavidProck1981 | this command works for ntfs "mount -t ntfs -o ro,gid=1000,uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs" Why does it not work when i change it to this "mount -t ext3 -o rw,gid=1000,uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/BackUp" |
| 20:11.56 | hark | root4564: well, nothing wrong with that afaics |
| 20:12.05 | Vasistha | ringo999: first of all, you should try and use aptitude. It has a much nicer front-end than apt-get, and is a much more "responsible" system, whether using the front-end or the command-line. |
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| 20:12.27 | root4564 | hark, but not run file |
| 20:12.31 | Vasistha | !tell DavidProck1981 about doesn't work |
| 20:12.31 | ringo999 | Vasistha: what do you mean by "responsible"? |
| 20:12.33 | \amethyst | because gid and uid only work for certain filesystems, for the most part those without unix permissions |
| 20:12.43 | hark | root4564: yeah |
| 20:13.33 | Vasistha | ringo999: suppose your install a package, and that package has a dependency. aptitude and apt-get will automatically install that dependency as well. However, if you later go and remove the package you installed previously, that's where the difference comes in. aptitude will responsibly remove the dependency package; apt-get will not. |
| 20:13.38 | DavidProck1981 | ok then why does it not work with that command |
| 20:14.08 | n3kl__ | What is the best solution for a window virtual machine on linux? |
| 20:14.18 | ringo999 | Vasistha: i see |
| 20:14.20 | n3kl__ | s/window/windows/ |
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| 20:16.27 | ringo999 | Vasistha: what about the folder part of my question? |
| 20:16.29 | Vasistha | ringo999: the other thing that you need to know is that linux does not install a package to one directory. to pick a random example, xterm installs files in all the following directories: /usr/bin/, /usr/share/man/man1/, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/, /usr/share/doc/xterm/, /usr/share/doc-base/, /usr/share/menu/, /etc/X11/app-defaults/ |
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| 20:16.39 | DavidProck1981 | Will someone reformat this line "mount -t ntfs -o ro,gid=1000,uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs" to work with a Ext3 drive? |
| 20:17.03 | xand | mount /dev/hdxy /mnt/blah |
| 20:17.03 | abrotman | are you serious? |
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| 20:17.07 | xand | DavidProck1981: it's EASY |
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| 20:17.20 | drwahl | i am trying to log out of a user, but keep the shell active. the idea being that irssi will stay running and i will be able to log in remotely and still be on the same session |
| 20:17.20 | ringo999 | Vasistha: maybe i should learn more about the meaning of these folders... |
| 20:17.22 | abrotman | man mount && man fstab |
| 20:17.38 | putridp | drwahi: package 'screen' |
| 20:17.41 | Vasistha | ringo999: that can be a little bit scary from the perspective of someone who runs windows and expects a package to be installed in a directory of its own. However, it turns out that the linux way is very practical. There are some good documents on the internet about what the various folders are used for. |
| 20:17.50 | putridp | drwahl:^ |
| 20:17.52 | jovan | hallo can everybody tell me jow can i use dazuko with the Debian Kernel without to build a new once |
| 20:17.55 | styx | hi anyone a clue why openMosix isn't on the official repository and where to get it anyway? |
| 20:18.03 | ringo999 | Vasistha: also im wondering if it is better to install using a package system, or to manually download and install, i.e. Tomcat |
| 20:18.23 | Vasistha | ringo999: definitely use aptitude!!! |
| 20:18.23 | DavidProck1981 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5, |
| 20:18.23 | styx | that is isn't in the official... anymore |
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| 20:18.26 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.29 | ringo999 | Vasistha: ok, but how do i know where things get installed to... |
| 20:18.40 | \amethyst | DavidProck1981: does it mount without the uid= and gid= option |
| 20:18.56 | ringo999 | Vasistha: like where the webapps folder is in Tomacat, or the http root folder on Apache... |
| 20:18.57 | putridp | ringo999: there's no real need to worry about it. Just let aptitude sort it all out. |
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| 20:19.11 | Vasistha | ringo999: don't worry about it! you can always use aptitude or dpkg to see which packages are installed on your system. And any application you install will automatically be put in your $PATH |
| 20:19.17 | xand | DavidProck1981: what are you trying to do, and what are you actually doing? |
| 20:19.31 | Vasistha | ringo999: ahh, okay, those are a couple special examples. apache's http root is, by default, /var/www/ |
| 20:19.39 | jovan | nobody an idea? |
| 20:19.52 | ringo999 | and the tomcat root folder? |
| 20:19.58 | DavidProck1981 | xand, mount the drive so every one has full access to is |
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| 20:20.02 | Vasistha | ringo999: I'm sure someone else can easily answer that, I don't use tomcat myself |
| 20:20.14 | Vasistha | ringo999: you can also always, e.g., man tomcat |
| 20:20.20 | DavidProck1981 | of at least my non-root account |
| 20:20.26 | ringo999 | Vasistha: but if i wouldnt have anyone to ask, could i find out using aptitude? |
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| 20:20.59 | xand | is it ntfs or ext3? |
| 20:21.07 | DavidProck1981 | ext3 |
| 20:21.12 | putridp | rongo999: i'd install tomcat, then do '$man tomcat$ to find out more about it |
| 20:21.24 | xand | DavidProck1981: and what command did you type? |
| 20:21.28 | xand | DavidProck1981: mount -t ext3 /dev/blah /mnt/blah |
| 20:21.33 | DavidProck1981 | mount -t ext3 -o rw,gid=1000,uid=1000 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/BackUp |
| 20:21.37 | Vasistha | ringo999: hmm, I dunno. I kinda doubt it. You'll really need to consult the package's documentation to find out. Is the location of the webapps folder going to effect your decision of whether to install the package or not? Probably not. Thus, the information isn't available in aptitude |
| 20:21.39 | ringo999 | also, apache2 or rather apache1.3? |
| 20:21.51 | xand | DavidProck1981: mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/BackUp |
| 20:22.22 | DavidProck1981 | how can i give every one full rights to the drive |
| 20:22.26 | Vasistha | ringo999: if you have to ask, in all likelihood, either would work for you, and apache2 might very well be the better choice. |
| 20:22.58 | xand | DavidProck1981: change the permissions of /mnt/BackUp |
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| 20:23.55 | styx | noone an idea about where mosix vanished or what a cluster is now state-of-the-art? |
| 20:24.14 | ringo999 | Vasistha: aptitude "looks" good... |
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| 20:24.34 | Vasistha | ringo999: aptitude "is" good ;-) |
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| 20:24.44 | xand | FFS |
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| 20:24.49 | Jojosan | except when it wanted to remove my kernel |
| 20:24.55 | xand | QUOTES ARE NOT FOR EMPHASIS |
| 20:24.59 | Jojosan | and my x-window-system |
| 20:25.04 | PerfDave | Bah, I've bought a printer which is supposed to be supported in Debian, but it doesn't print anything or give me any errors when I try to print to it. |
| 20:25.18 | Vasistha | Jojosan: you need to get aptitude set up once, and only once, and then it won't do that. |
| 20:25.36 | ringo999 | Vasistha: yeah, thx! |
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| 20:25.59 | wintix | !tell PerfDave about printer |
| 20:26.02 | Jojosan | Vasistha: sure. However in old times, when apt was still the way, etc., it really did such things. |
| 20:26.12 | Jojosan | It was too zealous in cleaning my system. |
| 20:26.40 | Vasistha | Jojosan: sure. fortunately those days are mostly past us :D I didn't say aptitude "was" good three years ago |
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| 20:26.52 | PerfDave | wintix: Thanks, but I checked it on linuxprinting.org before I bought it, thanks to its "perfect" rating. Unfortunately it's not so perfect in reality. |
| 20:26.56 | pearl | Dmitri_P: :P |
| 20:27.06 | Dmitri_P | pearl: i want to here this |
| 20:27.08 | drwahl | i tried the package 'screen' and i do not think that is what i am trying to accomplish. i want to be able to ssh into a running shell (which will be running irssi in my case) and be able to then close the connection without killing irssi, and still be able to log in again later |
| 20:27.22 | petemc | drwahl: screen does that |
| 20:28.32 | pearl | Dmitri_P: here are a lot of debian developers :D |
| 20:28.32 | pearl | this channel rocks :)) |
| 20:28.32 | wintix | PerfDave: what printer do you have? |
| 20:28.32 | Vasistha | drwahl: I'd still assert that screen is just what you need. |
| 20:28.32 | Tallu | Okay uhm, I have a little problem with booting up a newly installed etch installation. I have a ide disk and a sata disk, /dev/hde and /dev/sda, hde is set as hd0 in device.map and in the kernel root=/dev/hde2, however, I'm getting a grub error 21, disk not found |
| 20:28.32 | PerfDave | wintix: A samsung ml-2550 |
| 20:28.33 | drwahl | petemc: ok, i will give it another shot |
| 20:28.33 | drwahl | wish me luck :) |
| 20:28.40 | putridp | drwahl: if you install screen, then start irssi with: $screen irssi, then crtl-a,crtl-d should disconnect you from the session. $screen -r will then reconnect you to the session. |
| 20:29.01 | Vasistha | unfortunately he left before receiving that valuable advice :P |
| 20:29.02 | styx | mo cluster ppl here? |
| 20:29.05 | putridp | bah |
| 20:29.07 | styx | s/mo/no |
| 20:29.26 | PerfDave | wintix: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2550 says it works perfectly, I've tried using the PPD I downloaed from the site. |
| 20:29.49 | Vasistha | styx: just try again in an hour or two; asking repeatedly in a 20-minute period rarely conjures the person you need |
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| 20:30.25 | styx | Vasistha: i was getting less specific all the time to avoid this; advice thankfully accepted |
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| 20:30.28 | PerfDave | !further help |
| 20:30.28 | dpkg | If #debian can't help you with your problem, try asking again in a few hours when different people will be active. Other ports of call include the Debian mailing lists ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ ) or your local LUG. Or even professional support - see http://www.debian.org/support |
| 20:30.54 | DavidProck1981 | what is the command to change the permissions, i cant remember |
| 20:31.01 | Dmitri_P | hahaha |
| 20:31.02 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: chmod |
| 20:31.03 | PerfDave | DavidProck1981: chown or chmod ? |
| 20:31.05 | wintix | PerfDave: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2250 ? |
| 20:31.16 | PerfDave | wintix: Yes |
| 20:31.27 | wintix | PerfDave: have your tried that? |
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| 20:31.33 | Dmitri_P | pearl: lol n00bs in this chan?! ;) |
| 20:31.40 | schoppenhauer | does anyone of you happen to have expierience with ntfs-3g. i have i386-platform and worry a bit of using it. as i heard, there was also an ntfs-driver which uses windows-drivers in some kind of emulator. does anyone know about this? i am just worried about my data |
| 20:31.52 | PerfDave | wintix: Yes |
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| 20:32.05 | DavidProck1981 | would chown be what i would to let non-root access the drive |
| 20:32.09 | timmy06 | how do i change the default 'group' for a user? |
| 20:32.16 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: if you are very worried about your data, then it is unwise to try to write to ntfs in linux. |
| 20:32.25 | Vasistha | timmy06: man usermod |
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| 20:32.35 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: i am even more worried to start windows |
| 20:32.48 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: no, you should probably chgrp or chmod |
| 20:33.04 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: i only want to delete some directories |
| 20:33.11 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: what's going on with your system? |
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| 20:33.23 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: i dont trust windows. |
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| 20:33.29 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: thats all |
| 20:33.29 | tbertz | can anyone recommend a light weight outgoing smtp server |
| 20:33.40 | tbertz | i need it for nothing more than alerts from monit |
| 20:33.45 | dutchfish | tbertz, outgoing? |
| 20:33.49 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: ...but you have some important files on an ntfs partition, and you want to make *changes* to that partition?? |
| 20:33.51 | tbertz | so setting up exim or postfix just seems a pain |
| 20:34.07 | ringo999 | Vasistha: ok, i tried to install tomcat5.5, and someohow a dependency was not met, so it didnt finish, now what? |
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| 20:34.19 | petemc | tbertz: why? they both have debconf front ends that are fine for basic needs |
| 20:34.24 | Vasistha | ringo999: pastebin the error messages |
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| 20:34.34 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: i only want to delete them there... |
| 20:34.46 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 20:34.49 | DavidProck1981 | what should i put in my fstab to make thed drive mount every time |
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| 20:34.58 | GiabboO | I am setting up a RAID1 with mdadm on my debian sarge |
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| 20:35.37 | GiabboO | everything looks ok but when I reboot my system the /dev/md0 device doesnt work |
| 20:35.39 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: I don't really understand why you're doing this. If we understand why, we might be able to suggest realistic workarounds. However, with the info you've given me, I'm inclined to suggest you ask ##windows |
| 20:36.03 | GiabboO | when I check with cat /proc/mdstat I see no array when I reboot |
| 20:36.07 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: ok |
| 20:36.07 | tbertz | basically i just need monit to fire out alerts, i have an existing mail server running on another box but monit doesnt support smtp authentication, I would prefer not install a mail server on this box and just use the mail server i described and wondered if there postfix/exim are really the best way to go? |
| 20:36.09 | wintix | PerfDave: http://pastebin.ca/443472 - maybe that gets you started. it's for another printer but should be quite similar. |
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| 20:36.18 | goingtomoonbrb | K/wl |
| 20:36.20 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: it's a usb drive that you want to have auto-mounted whenever you insert it? |
| 20:36.21 | goingtomoonbrb | oops |
| 20:36.47 | DavidProck1981 | it is a internal hard drive |
| 20:37.02 | tbertz | does that make more sense? |
| 20:37.03 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: ah, then add 'auto' to the options, that should automatically mount it on boot |
| 20:37.24 | DavidProck1981 | what options, Where |
| 20:37.42 | wintix | PerfDave: that howto is from the 23C3 orgawiki concerning the printer we had on the helpdesk. i would say your printers setup should be roughly the same |
| 20:38.13 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: the mount options. The ones that are listed after -o on the command line, and which are listed after the fs type in /etc/fstab |
| 20:38.19 | PerfDave | wintix: I don't think that's particularly relevant to me. I've set up the printer through the KDE config, which has written a correct-looking cupsd.conf, and i'm not getting any errors in /var/log/cups/error_log when I try to print to it, but nothing comes out of the printer. |
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| 20:39.06 | ringo999 | Vasistha: i cant pastebin it, as i cant scroll up in the windows... |
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| 20:39.32 | n3kl__ | What is the best way to setup a static encrypted Point to Point VPN? |
| 20:39.34 | ringo999 | Vasistha: is there something like dpkg -f install? |
| 20:39.53 | schoppenhauer | exit |
| 20:39.55 | Vasistha | ringo999: try shift+pgup |
| 20:40.02 | PerfDave | n3kl__: OpenVPN is pretty easy to set up and powerful |
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| 20:40.12 | n3kl__ | PerfDave: is is secure? |
| 20:40.20 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha, here is a current line that is in my fstab "/dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
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| 20:40.30 | DavidProck1981 | what is the 0 1 at the end for |
| 20:40.33 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, /dev/[your disk] /[mountpath to existing dir] ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 ... for ext3 fs |
| 20:40.48 | drwahl | is any one here familiar with the package 'screen'? i am having issues |
| 20:40.51 | Vasistha | ringo999: if you use aptitude to attempt the install again, it will not re-download a package that it already has ;-) |
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| 20:41.07 | Vasistha | drwahl: if you had stuck around for a second you would have received the instructions that someone gave for you :P |
| 20:41.23 | PerfDave | n3kl__: secure against what? It uses standard SSL encrpytion which is widely helf to be secure. |
| 20:41.27 | drwahl | Vasistha: ugh.... sorry :) |
| 20:41.48 | Vasistha | [13:28] <putridp> drwahl: if you install screen, then start irssi with: $screen irssi, then crtl-a,crtl-d should disconnect you from the session. $screen -r will then reconnect you to the session. |
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| 20:42.00 | n3kl__ | PerfDave: ah, didn't know it used ssl. I will have to check it out |
| 20:42.11 | DavidProck1981 | dutchfish, do u know what the 0 1 at the end is for, im just wondering |
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| 20:42.53 | putridp | drwahl: you're welcome... |
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| 20:43.35 | n3kl__ | Anyone know where I could purchase an ethernet tap? |
| 20:43.42 | drwahl | ^A |
| 20:43.53 | GiabboO | is anyone skilled with mdadm |
| 20:43.55 | freak__ | hey i am trying to activate 3d acceleration for my nvidia ti using this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but i can't find the nvidia-kernel-common package. can somebody help me? |
| 20:43.58 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, last 1 for booting i believe |
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| 20:44.31 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, for non-booting its 0 0 |
| 20:44.34 | n3kl__ | freak__: you need contrib and non-free |
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| 20:45.02 | ringo999 | Vasistha: and by "install again" you mean remove and then install again? or how can i mark it to "reinstall"? |
| 20:45.07 | drwahl | according to the instruction i got about 'screen' i am supposed to "ctrl-a" then "ctrl-d" to disconnect, but ctrl-a and ctrl-d do nothing when i am connected remotely |
| 20:45.38 | dutchfish | ringo999, aptitude installl --reinstall [package] |
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| 20:46.02 | dutchfish | ringo999, aptitude install --reinstall [package] |
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| 20:46.13 | freak__ | n3kl__: ok i will have a look thank you |
| 20:46.16 | Vasistha | drwahl: as a test, have you tried running screen irssi on your local box, just to get a feel for it? |
| 20:46.54 | drwahl | Vasistha: i am loggin in from a Mac, so i cannot really do that |
| 20:47.09 | dutchfish | drwahl, not crtl- crtl-d but crtl-a-d |
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| 20:48.20 | OrangeRoot1k | screen is so fun |
| 20:48.22 | putridp | dutchfish: doesn't it work either way? |
| 20:48.27 | drwahl | dutchfish: i understand what i need to do, but the key combo does nothing when connected remotely |
| 20:48.36 | Vasistha | drwahl: ooh, well you also need to make sure the control key is sending the right signals... I'm not sure what to do there, but asking a mac user is probably your best bet ;-) |
| 20:48.39 | DawnLight | hello |
| 20:49.06 | putridp | ctrl-a, ctrl-d works fine for me on a macbook |
| 20:49.07 | dutchfish | putridp, oh yes, its (remote) press and hold crtl then press ad |
| 20:49.16 | DawnLight | fun two players on same keyboard multiplayer game? |
| 20:49.21 | drwahl | Vasistha: i think you are right there, but mac is built on unix, so i would imagine that something as simple as "ctrl" would be similar |
| 20:50.01 | Vasistha | drwahl: yeah, but there's some history here; mac and pc developed different standards for "ctrl" and "alt" back in the very early days, and there are still some differences. |
| 20:50.13 | stew | drwahl: does "ctrl-a c" work? (it should create a second shell in the same screen session) |
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| 20:50.41 | \amethyst | drwahl: you're pressing control and not command? |
| 20:50.57 | drwahl | stew: "ctrl-a c" does nothing. i believe that i need to send it the control character somehow |
| 20:51.19 | drwahl | i am sure that i am pressing "control" and not "command" |
| 20:51.23 | putridp | drwahl: what terminal software are you using? |
| 20:51.57 | dutchfish | i just tried out on macbook its the same crtl-a-d |
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| 20:52.10 | putridp | (on your mac, i mean?) |
| 20:52.13 | drwahl | on the server side, i am just using debian sarge, on the client side, i am using Terminal that is bundled with mac |
| 20:52.16 | dutchfish | dutchfish, i used left-crtl |
| 20:52.33 | putridp | drwahl: oh. odd it's not working |
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| 20:52.53 | DawnLight | fun same-keyboard multiplayer game anyone? |
| 20:53.05 | DawnLight | action packed preferrably |
| 20:53.08 | ringo999 | how do i install java sdk with aptitude? |
| 20:53.14 | zinx | armagetron/gltron! |
| 20:53.16 | \amethyst | DawnLight: clanbomber |
| 20:53.22 | \amethyst | and armagetron |
| 20:53.23 | dutchfish | !java |
| 20:53.23 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 20:53.27 | ringo999 | there is a free-java-skd |
| 20:53.34 | nf1 | hello, I have a problem installing second network interface on my debian machine |
| 20:53.45 | ringo999 | that is not the sun sdk, is it? |
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| 20:53.54 | putridp | drwahl: just to check, if you just type 'screen', do you just get a new shell prompt? |
| 20:53.54 | \amethyst | ringo999: no |
| 20:54.09 | drwahl | putridp: yes |
| 20:54.12 | nf1 | it's detected during boot, but in ifconfig, in link encap it says UNKNOWN |
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| 20:54.17 | nf1 | could you help me? |
| 20:54.18 | dutchfish | drwahl, you type screen -R to get a new (first) screen |
| 20:54.18 | drwahl | !Tell drwahl screen |
| 20:54.19 | ootput | which tool allows me to search for perl modules offered by debs? |
| 20:54.19 | chovy | how do i switch to latest java? |
| 20:54.34 | Vasistha | !tell drwahl -about msg the bot |
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| 20:54.43 | \amethyst | chovy: java6? |
| 20:54.47 | ootput | apparently i need 'Data::Dumper LWP::UserAgent (GnuPG)' for an irssi script (scriptassist.pl) |
| 20:54.57 | Vasistha | drwahl: here's another thing to test: get out of screen, type sleep 20; and then try to use ctrl-c to break it. |
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| 20:55.03 | drwahl | dutchfish: i just type #:screen and i get a new screen |
| 20:55.11 | Gromgull | are there any limitations on setuid root on shell-scripts? |
| 20:55.20 | \amethyst | ootput: what version of perl is this? |
| 20:55.44 | dutchfish | drwahl, its screen -R to get a new (first) screen |
| 20:55.47 | drwahl | Vasistha: i can break processes with ctrl-c |
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| 20:55.49 | chovy | \amethyst: 1.5 |
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| 20:56.04 | stew | drwahl: do other control sequences work in that ssh session? like ctrl-b should act like a left arrow, and ctrl-f should work like a right arrow. or in irssi ctrl-n should cycle through windows |
| 20:56.12 | ootput | \amethyst: it doesn't appear to be version specific |
| 20:56.14 | Vasistha | drwahl: alright, that's good, then we know there's no problem with the ctrl key ;-) |
| 20:56.19 | ootput | \amethyst: Data::Dumper LWP::UserAgent (GnuPG) |
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| 20:56.30 | ootput | \amethyst: err, i meant http://www.irssi.org/scripts/scripts/scriptassist.pl |
| 20:56.31 | \amethyst | chovy: make sure non-free is in your sources, then update and install sun-java5-jre (sun-java5-plugin if you want the browser plugin) |
| 20:56.41 | Vasistha | drwahl: although stew's suggestions are probably a good exercise to make sure screen's working properly with them |
| 20:56.46 | \amethyst | ootput: Data::Dumper should be included in recent versions of perl |
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| 20:57.07 | drwahl | stew: yes, other control sequences work still |
| 20:57.14 | \amethyst | ootput: LWP::UserAgent is in libwww-perl |
| 20:57.28 | ootput | \amethyst: is that something you knew off the top of your head? |
| 20:57.34 | ootput | \amethyst: or did you find it just now? |
| 20:57.41 | ootput | \amethyst: btw, that's just what i needed. thanks :) |
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| 20:57.58 | cmunx | Hi |
| 20:57.59 | drwahl | ok, i found the problem, or rather putridp found the problem. i needed to start "screen" with the command "screeen -R" |
| 20:58.07 | \amethyst | ootput: I knew libwww-perl; for the other I looked for packages with data-dumper in the name |
| 20:58.12 | putridp | drwahl: ? |
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| 20:58.26 | drwahl | or maybe some one else told me that :) |
| 20:58.37 | cmunx | Debian Etch is great! |
| 20:58.38 | \amethyst | ootput: normally a perl module like Foo::Bar will be in the package libfoo-bar-perl |
| 20:58.38 | drwahl | was it dutchfish? or stew? :) |
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| 20:58.49 | stew | drwahl: adding -R sholdn't affect whether or not your "ctrl-a d" works |
| 20:58.58 | drwahl | stew: well, it did :) |
| 20:59.01 | \amethyst | ootput: LWP is a little different |
| 20:59.11 | putridp | drwahl: one of those two. I'm not sure that should affect the ctrl sequences though |
| 20:59.15 | cmunx | What are you talking about? |
| 20:59.24 | ubd | hi, im going to install debian via netinstall disk but i am unavailable to boot from cd. is there a possible workaround |
| 20:59.41 | stew | ubd: what can you boot from? |
| 20:59.45 | putridp | screen -R forces a reconnect AFAIK? |
| 20:59.57 | ootput | \amethyst: ok. thanks |
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| 21:00.06 | ubd | hd and floppy |
| 21:00.12 | dutchfish | putridp, indeed or create new when there is none |
| 21:00.25 | Danic | Help please! I set up xinetd to start ssh when I connect to the machine. (At least I hope so. ) But it does not work, I get a "connection refused". Here my config script: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=77040 |
| 21:00.28 | Insolit | how do i list symbolink links? |
| 21:00.30 | Insolit | (their target) |
| 21:00.30 | drwahl | wait... nevermind, i think i may have just narrowed the problem though. i still cannot disconnect when i am running irssi |
| 21:00.37 | Vasistha | Insolit: ls -lL |
| 21:00.41 | Vasistha | Insolit: or just ls -l |
| 21:00.44 | drwahl | but if i run anything else, i can disconnect |
| 21:00.49 | putridp | does irssi have its own ctrl sequences? |
| 21:00.54 | stew | ubd: /msg dpkg etch floppies ; or read the install guide about installing from hd-media: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | putridp: yes |
| 21:01.17 | Insolit | Vasistha: ok thanks seems that copying symbolink links changes their contents |
| 21:01.33 | Vasistha | Insolit: they can be quirky ;-) |
| 21:01.55 | drwahl | abrotman: i am trying to 'ctrl-a' to disconnect from my 'screen', but when i am in irssi, the ctrl doesnt work |
| 21:02.01 | drwahl | any ideas? |
| 21:02.04 | putridp | maybe you can get screen to temporarily change the disconnect sequence |
| 21:02.27 | putridp | to ctrl-z-d or something? or is that a silly idea? |
| 21:02.32 | sword | drwahl: sure it does, by default, it's C-a d |
| 21:02.36 | \amethyst | Insolit: what do you mean? |
| 21:02.40 | Vasistha | ubd: I've done a couple installs direct from hard drive. You just save the netinst.iso in the root directory of some partition, get that special installer vmlinuz and initrd.gz and just go from there ... the installation manual has great instructions, with the one caveat that it makes no mention of *where* to find that special hd-media/vmlinuz |
| 21:02.44 | ootput | i use c-t in screen |
| 21:02.53 | ootput | (ever since i stopped using ratpoison) :D |
| 21:03.06 | Vasistha | drwahl: is it possible that something else might be catching the ctrl+a ? |
| 21:03.18 | Gromgull | are setuid root shell-scripts allowed in debian at all? |
| 21:03.19 | Insolit | \amethyst: i used cp -a to copy symbolink links and it's no longer one symbolink link |
| 21:03.32 | drwahl | the only thing that is running on this machine (the irssi server) is samba |
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| 21:04.08 | drwahl | Vasistha: plus, we already determind that the only time it doesnt work is when i am in irssi |
| 21:04.21 | \amethyst | Insolit: "no longer one symbolic link"? |
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| 21:04.59 | Insolit | yes they become a normal file |
| 21:05.12 | \amethyst | Insolit: cp -a shouldn't do that, but cp should |
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| 21:05.25 | \amethyst | Insolit: what does cp --version say? |
| 21:05.41 | xingu | Insolit: and what filesystem type are you copying onto |
| 21:05.41 | Insolit | \amethyst: 5.97 |
| 21:05.50 | Insolit | reiserfs to reiserfs |
| 21:05.56 | Insolit | no FAT :D |
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| 21:06.49 | \amethyst | Insolit: so doing the following sequence of commands results in baz being a file? touch foo; ln -s foo bar; cp -a bar baz |
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| 21:08.37 | dutchfish | i thougt that cp need [-l] as option to copy links instead of link->file |
| 21:08.37 | Insolit | strange it did not happen that way |
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| 21:08.59 | Insolit | ill copy the files again |
| 21:09.03 | \amethyst | dutchfish: -l says to make links not copies |
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| 21:09.32 | \amethyst | dutchfish: -d means preserve links, and -a includes -d |
| 21:09.38 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes you are right, my mistake |
| 21:09.49 | Insolit | oh sorry |
| 21:09.53 | kdean06 | My system keeps freezing during the Etch install. Specifically, it freezes after detecting the network and before the partitioner. Can anyone help me get past this, I'm Debian-less and it's killing me. |
| 21:09.57 | Insolit | i just put --parents and forgot -a |
| 21:10.01 | Insolit | thanks a lot guys |
| 21:10.04 | xingu | that'll do it. :) |
| 21:10.09 | xand | !tell Talisker about root |
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| 21:11.18 | mfrisch | kdean06: should try to go to ctrl-alt-f4 |
| 21:11.46 | kdean06 | mfrisch, Will that take me to a console and show me what breaks? |
| 21:12.06 | mfrisch | kdean06: if it can yes it is the installation log |
| 21:12.12 | putridp | i'm trying to use debootstrap to create a filesystem for a netbooting diskless client. '!anyone' notwithstanding, is anyone familiar with this? I've done 'sudo debootstrap --include=nfs-common,portmap --resolve-deps etch ./diskless-root/ http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/', would 'sudo chroot ./diskless-root/ /usr/bin/aptitude install linux-image-2.6-486' now be appropriate or am i missing something? |
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| 21:12.32 | drwahl | ok, here is a more debian based question... is there a naming scheme to the distros? or do people just pick names outta a hat? i mean: potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny |
| 21:12.32 | kdean06 | Okay, cool. I know the system is responsive, seeing any errors might be helpful. :) |
| 21:12.32 | drwahl | doesnt make much sense |
| 21:12.44 | kdean06 | drwahl, They are all characters from the Disnet movie "Toy Story" |
| 21:12.48 | oye | drwahl: watch Toy Story (: |
| 21:13.31 | drwahl | i noticed that actually, but i thought that they would never use disney characters for a OS :) |
| 21:13.58 | Vasistha | drwahl: well... they did! |
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| 21:17.15 | putridp | !debootstrap |
| 21:17.15 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 21:18.33 | DawnLight | a two player same-keyboard raptor like game anyone? |
| 21:18.55 | drwahl | has any one here had any luck getting WoW to run under linux? |
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| 21:19.08 | kdean06 | drwahl, It runs faster than it did on Windows. :) |
| 21:19.50 | drwahl | kdean06: what package did u use to get it working? i have tried Cedega, but i get an error when the login screen is supposed to come up |
| 21:20.14 | kdean06 | drwahl, Wine. I usually pull from CVS. |
| 21:20.20 | dalias | bleh my debian just broke :( |
| 21:20.22 | CoolCubix | drwahl> I got CS 1.6 working, but in my case it's not as fast as on windows |
| 21:20.29 | dalias | i did a dist-upgrade on unstable |
| 21:20.38 | dalias | and something is fishy with glibc |
| 21:20.47 | dalias | it wants 2.5-1 but it's not available |
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| 21:21.01 | dd102db1890522d3 | i get this line in syslog "Apr 17 04:10:01 mybox /USR/SBIN/CRON[7444]: (root) CMD (echo "hello cron") which is just some command i added with crontab -e but i get nothing in the termianl ... ny thoughts ? |
| 21:21.01 | dalias | and now my locales all disappeared so all software is broken and not utf-8-aware :( |
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| 21:21.03 | mfrisch | dalias: hey that was for free. welcome to unstable! |
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| 21:21.20 | dalias | mfrisch, any tips how to fix? |
| 21:21.46 | dutchfish | dalias, what about dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 21:21.56 | xand | dd102db1890522d3: cron jobs don't output to your terminal |
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| 21:22.35 | styx_ | dd102db1890522d3: try |wall afterwards, could work |
| 21:22.37 | mfrisch | dutchfish he messed up glibc I think |
| 21:22.40 | drwahl | any one know how to scroll in irssi? page up isnt working for me |
| 21:22.56 | dutchfish | mfrisch, could be |
| 21:23.02 | xand | drwahl: scroll up is the way... your terminal must be interfering |
| 21:23.27 | dalias | dutchfish, locales got removed |
| 21:23.33 | dalias | apparently now there's locales-all tho |
| 21:23.37 | dalias | which i'm trying to install |
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| 21:24.19 | dalias | not to flame or anything, just an idea... |
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| 21:24.52 | mfrisch | dalias: sometimes a dist-upgrade is too harsh and right now..because of the new release a plain upgrade may suit you better |
| 21:25.29 | samu1 | I would like to load the modules i2c-piix4 lm90 eeprom k8temp <font size="3"> at boot time. I have looked in module-assistant and they do not appear. What packages should i install please?</font> |
| 21:25.43 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
| 21:25.50 | samu1 | <font size="3">I am following this http://www.puchalla-online.de/nx6325.html</font> |
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| 21:25.59 | dalias | there should be some way to automate dependency checking of adding new packages to the dist |
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| 21:26.25 | dalias | mfrisch, yeah, apt-get upgrade showed lots of held-back stuff, so i tried disst-upgrade instead |
| 21:26.28 | dalias | maybe a bad idea |
| 21:26.32 | dalias | i'm relatively new to debian |
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| 21:27.08 | CoolCubix | dalias> for your next install, consider testing. It's a good compromise between new and stable software |
| 21:27.24 | mfrisch | dalias: it will eventually upgrade everything. |
| 21:27.25 | dalias | yeah even lots of stuff in unstable is too old :( |
| 21:27.33 | dalias | so testing would be even worse |
| 21:27.44 | Vasistha | dalias: well, there's always experimental, if you like to live on the edge |
| 21:27.50 | CoolCubix | dalias> i had a similar problem, with unstable X didn't work at all, so i reinstalled with testing repositories. It's great now ^^ |
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| 21:28.04 | dalias | vasistha, :) |
| 21:28.09 | coolzone | Hi guys! I have been googling for hours now but I just kind find the right answer. I am suddenly I get this error from the log, "cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!", what does it mean? |
| 21:28.14 | CoolCubix | dalias> so try another edg-bleeding distro, i'm sure there are plenty on distrowatch :/ |
| 21:28.15 | dalias | for now, unstable is my "compromise", heh |
| 21:28.24 | dalias | non-debian dists are utter shit |
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| 21:28.43 | dalias | firefox doesn't even work because they jsut use the shitty stock binaries |
| 21:28.45 | dalias | without pango |
| 21:28.47 | coolzone | Sorry, typo. I am trying to print, after updating to lenny I get the above error in the cups error_log |
| 21:29.30 | coolzone | Does anyone know what this local authentication is all about? |
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| 21:30.06 | zap-clone | hello |
| 21:30.19 | ubd | hi as i m unavaible to boot from cd. i now created a floppy boot disk(i have only one floppy disk). i have the net install both on cd and as iso on fat32. how can i start net install? |
| 21:30.30 | zap-clone | is there any chance to install an elder version of apache in Etch (besides compiling myself, of course)? |
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| 21:30.58 | mfrisch | zap-clone: there is 1.3? |
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| 21:31.05 | dalias | ok installing locales-all fixed it, at the expense of tons of bloat |
| 21:31.14 | RichiH | ubd: there is a floppy install thing. it takes a total of five fdds iirc |
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| 21:31.32 | ubd | but i have only 1 foppy disk |
| 21:31.36 | RichiH | ubd: at least there were five floppies when i installed it that way in.. 2002? |
| 21:31.37 | Vasistha | RichiH: I'd honestly recommend doing the hd-media install |
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| 21:31.45 | Vasistha | oops, wrong highlight, sorry |
| 21:31.46 | RichiH | Vasistha: never did that |
| 21:31.48 | dalias | richih, you can keep overwriting the same floppy :) |
| 21:31.56 | RichiH | dalias: indeed |
| 21:32.04 | dalias | that's what i've done before |
| 21:32.10 | RichiH | dalias: that is what i would do if i were ubd |
| 21:32.14 | RichiH | or USB boot |
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| 21:32.49 | Vasistha | ubd: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 21:32.54 | zap-clone | mfrisch: well, I seem to need apache2, but <=2.0.55 |
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| 21:33.16 | stew | zap-clone: why <= 2.0.55 ? |
| 21:33.32 | mfrisch | zap-clone: don't know..even if you get a package you won't know how well it will work |
| 21:33.34 | Vasistha | zap-clone: maybe you should just run oldstable? Or did you already upgrade? |
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| 21:33.53 | zap-clone | its a fresh install of Etch |
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| 21:34.05 | concept10 | does runlevel N S == single user? |
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| 21:34.28 | zap-clone | stew: any newer version has a bug which prevents it from working as a reverse proxy for RPCoverHTTP |
| 21:34.40 | Supaplex | pin it |
| 21:34.45 | stew | zap-clone: is the bug filed in the bts? |
| 21:34.48 | Vasistha | concept10: runlevel 1 is for single-user. runlevel S is for startup -- those scripts are performed before any of the 1-5 runlevels |
| 21:34.51 | Supaplex | grab something from snapshots |
| 21:34.52 | zap-clone | stew: yes |
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| 21:35.01 | zap-clone | one second, I hope, I find it again |
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| 21:35.02 | \amethyst | cout: single-user on boot |
| 21:35.04 | stew | zap-clone: what is the bug# ? |
| 21:35.17 | HostilePenguin | i just went to throw out the garbage found a 21 inch flat screen monitor quick dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and poof here i am |
| 21:35.33 | \amethyst | concept10: single-user on boot; going down from multi-user to single-user puts you in rl 1 instead |
| 21:35.35 | concept10 | Vasistha, thanks. but why does running the cmd runlevel give me N S ? (im in single user mode) |
| 21:35.35 | Vasistha | HostilePenguin: wow, what a nice fine |
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| 21:35.42 | Vasistha | HostilePenguin: s/fine/find/ |
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| 21:36.22 | \amethyst | Vasistha: 1 is only used when transitioning from a higher runlevel down to single-user |
| 21:36.28 | concept10 | \amethyst, okay, so thats why its N S |
| 21:36.33 | \amethyst | Vasistha: if you boot in single-user mode, you'll never leave S |
| 21:36.39 | zap-clone | stew: this is from ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/62820 |
| 21:36.43 | Vasistha | \amethyst: ahha... interesting. thanks. |
| 21:36.51 | zap-clone | has a link to apache's bts |
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| 21:37.05 | zap-clone | I haven't seen it in debian's bts, though |
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| 21:37.09 | HostilePenguin | thank you thank you |
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| 21:38.22 | concept10 | So can I edit runlevels 3-5 to my specs (because 2 is default) ... For example, I want to play a game, and shutdown all essentials.. and switch to runlevel 3 for example, kick ass mode.. |
| 21:38.31 | stew | zap-clone: that bug is fixed |
| 21:38.45 | Caelum | how do you look up the MX record of a domain? |
| 21:38.49 | zap-clone | stew: well, at least not in etch's version of apache |
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| 21:39.23 | \amethyst | Caelum: host -t MX domain |
| 21:39.31 | Caelum | \amethyst: thank you |
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| 21:39.57 | stew | zap-clone: its fixed in etch's version of apache. upstream put the fix into 2.2 in 2005 |
| 21:40.33 | zap-clone | stew: that's what I read, too, though the error still seems to exist (see comments in apache |
| 21:40.37 | zap-clone | 's bugzilla |
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| 21:40.46 | stew | zap-clone: yes, i read the comments in apache's bugzilla |
| 21:40.47 | zap-clone | actually, I can reproduce it |
| 21:41.16 | zap-clone | better: I can create an error which has the same look |
| 21:41.27 | magical_trevsky | will debian install on a system with 32mb ram? |
| 21:41.37 | stew | magical_trevsky: yes |
| 21:41.53 | magical_trevsky | stew, cool, thanks |
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| 21:42.32 | Vasistha | concept10: basically, yeah. I use runlevel 3 as my default, and have runlevel 2 set up for no X; 4 and 5 I have set up to turn on all the services like samba, nfs, apache, mysql, which I don't use all the time -- those are off in 2/3 |
| 21:42.52 | HostilePenguin | i have 2.4 installed on 32 mb of ram |
| 21:42.57 | putridp | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en suggests 48MB |
| 21:43.28 | stew | hrm |
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| 21:43.37 | magical_trevsky | should I go for something older than etch then? |
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| 21:43.51 | stew | magical_trevsky: i didn't realize that etch is now recommending 48, if that is the case, you can install sarge and upgrade to etch |
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| 21:44.23 | putridp | no harm in trying etch. |
| 21:44.29 | lamer007 | hi, are there packages ieee80211 included in etch ? |
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| 21:44.58 | Vasistha | lamer007: a lot of that stuff is now done with kernel modules. What are you looking to do? |
| 21:45.02 | stew | lamer007: you need one that is newer than the one included with 2.6.18? |
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| 21:45.56 | lamer007 | Vasistha, trying to install ipw3945 |
| 21:46.02 | muhoo | ok, i have made a boot usb disk for amd64 for etch. it boots. then it bitches me out about not being able to find the installer ISO image! arrgh! |
| 21:46.14 | lamer007 | stew, ok, thanks |
| 21:46.15 | muhoo | i have the etch amd64 disk in the cdrom drive |
| 21:46.16 | Vasistha | muhoo: where is the iso image? |
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| 21:46.28 | muhoo | i also have the mini.iso image in the root directory of the usb too |
| 21:46.32 | stew | lamer007: what version of ieee80211 do you need? |
| 21:46.56 | zamaliphe | can i install dibian stable on AMD 64 bit ??? with GA-M59SLI Mouther bord and SATA hard disk ??? |
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| 21:47.04 | lamer007 | stew, not sure, Im trying to install ipw3945 and it says something about ieee80211 |
| 21:47.07 | muhoo | Vasistha: in the cdrom drive |
| 21:47.09 | Tallu | I hate JMicron. I hate I hate I hate. |
| 21:47.25 | lamer007 | stew: Ive just installed etch, it came with kernel 2.6.20 |
| 21:47.29 | stew | lamer007: ieee80211 is included in the etch kernel "modprobe ieee80211" |
| 21:47.36 | stew | lamer007: no, etch didn't come with 2.6.20 |
| 21:47.49 | giupy_ | i have installed a new kernel but not linked to the initrd.img, now i have a kernel panic and no others kernel to boot, error is "please append a correct root boot option", i have tried Linux root=/dev/hde2 where is my / dir, but i still recive that msg, where i wrong ? |
| 21:48.07 | lamer007 | stew, didnt ? because its acutally my brother's computer, Im just asking for him |
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| 21:48.12 | giupy_ | i use lilo |
| 21:48.12 | stew | lamer007: what version of "libc6" do you have installed? |
| 21:48.19 | muhoo | wtf is it looking for? a debian directory with dists/main... and all that? or an image named foo.iso? |
| 21:48.23 | stew | lamer007: etch shipped with 2.6.18-4, not 2.6.20 |
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| 21:48.39 | lamer007 | stew, ill ask him |
| 21:48.45 | stew | lamer007: exactly what does "uname -r" say? and what does "apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed" say? |
| 21:49.04 | muhoo | aha, iso-scan says "Not a Debian ISO"... the hell it isn't! |
| 21:49.06 | putridp | giupy: are you etch? |
| 21:49.09 | muhoo | it damn sure is a Debian ISO |
| 21:49.14 | giupy_ | putridp sid |
| 21:49.18 | lamer007 | stew, problem is my hamachi vpn is down so I cant ssh there and relay only on messanger |
| 21:49.30 | muhoo | iso-scan also finds the mini.iso, but refuses to cooperate with that either |
| 21:49.46 | muhoo | (Ctl-Alt-F4 is great) |
| 21:50.05 | rahul | what the hell is iso-scan? |
| 21:50.05 | rahul | why do people need to use "tools |
| 21:50.10 | rahul | " to look at what's in front of their faces? |
| 21:50.34 | muhoo | rahul: iso-scan is what debian-installer is using to find an iso. |
| 21:50.43 | rahul | find an iso? |
| 21:50.52 | rahul | kids thse days... they make it so complicated |
| 21:50.54 | lamer007 | stew, you are right , it came with 18.4 and he put there vanilla 20.7 |
| 21:51.16 | muhoo | iso-scan is also what is causing the install to fail, because it says my debian etch amd64 cd1, which is in my drive, and absolutely is a damned debian install cd, is "Not a Debian ISO" |
| 21:51.20 | putridp | giupy_: did you uninstall your old kernel? |
| 21:51.37 | Vasistha | rahul: have you read his question, which started 5 minutes ago? Maybe you have a constructive suggestion rather than non-helpful criticisms? |
| 21:51.45 | zamaliphe | can i install dibian stable on AMD 64 bit ??? with GA-M59SLI Mouther bord and SATA hard disk ??? |
| 21:51.51 | bbelt16a1 | yo peeps |
| 21:51.55 | giupy_ | putridp no, but at boot it says that it's too big or something like this and doesn't try to boot |
| 21:51.56 | drwahl | any one have any info/opinion on running 64bit debian vs. 32bit? (on a 64bit cpu of course) |
| 21:51.58 | muhoo | zamaliphe: heh, as long as it'll boot of the cdrom drive, apparently :-) |
| 21:51.59 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: probably. please don't repeat. |
| 21:52.01 | lamer007 | stew: there is no output about libc6 so I assume its not installed |
| 21:52.05 | bbelt16a1 | whats the app for cli extracting of 7zip files? |
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| 21:52.27 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: p7zip |
| 21:52.33 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 21:52.34 | muhoo | is there a way to fool the debian installer into using my iso? |
| 21:52.39 | rahul | muhoo: is it a debian iso or a CD with a debian iso image on it? |
| 21:52.49 | giupy_ | however i don't understand why root=/dev/hde2 will not work |
| 21:53.09 | rahul | a CD with an iso filesystem that has a file that is the iso image of a debian cd |
| 21:53.48 | zamaliphe | what kernel do i chose for AMD 64 bit cpu ?? |
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| 21:54.03 | wols | k7, k8 |
| 21:54.08 | wols | depends what debian version |
| 21:54.09 | muhoo | rahul: in the cdrom drive is an actual debian iso |
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| 21:54.20 | putridp | giupy_: sorry I can't really help. It might be worth booting with a live cd and using chroot with lilo to get your old kernel booting? |
| 21:54.21 | muhoo | on the usb is an iso image named "mini.iso" |
| 21:54.25 | TeReL50 | apt-build cannot build some source packages coming from debian source repos, should I install those manually or samething ? |
| 21:55.03 | giupy_ | putridp eh i know it thanks anyhow |
| 21:55.05 | giupy_ | bye all |
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| 21:55.10 | kdean06 | apt-build is kind of a hack. |
| 21:55.22 | lamer007 | stew, when modprobe 80211 he is getting Invalid module format |
| 21:55.24 | TeReL50 | aha |
| 21:55.45 | kdean06 | TeReL50, apt-get source apache, apt-get build-dep apache cd into the directory and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:55.54 | Bedolo | TeReL50: what? |
| 21:56.06 | TeReL50 | cool |
| 21:56.37 | muhoo | aha http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070308.164725.2e573135.en.html |
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| 21:57.38 | muhoo | so, i'm confused. is an iso an ISO (i.e. for burning to optical media), or is it something you stick in a directory that d-i goes looking for? |
| 21:57.46 | zamaliphe | pleases guyes what kernel do i chose for an AMD 64 bit CPU ?? 2.6.18-686 OR 585 or what ??? |
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| 21:57.56 | Kronuz | hello |
| 21:58.03 | Vasistha | zamaliphe: wols already answered your question |
| 21:58.11 | Kronuz | hey, how should I configure perl's cpan? |
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| 21:59.02 | Kronuz | the cpan is installing the modules at /usr/local/share/perl when it should be installing them where they really are, at /usr/share/perl (that's where the .deb put them) |
| 21:59.28 | kdean06 | muhoo, .iso files are loopback filesystems. They also have the benefit of being able to squeeze onto a CD and be bootable. I don't know if the d-i supports it, but in theory it's both. It's merely a filesystem, like a USB key, a hard drive or a ramdisk can contain. |
| 21:59.47 | muhoo | answer is here, apparently: "The mini.iso is an alternative boot method, not a real CD images. |
| 21:59.51 | muhoo | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg86018.html |
| 22:00.05 | jelly-home | Kronuz: I think that should work out ok... if /usr/local/share/perl is in @INC before the system path |
| 22:00.11 | muhoo | i'll try with businesscard iso and see how it goes |
| 22:00.25 | Kronuz | jelly-home: it is in @INC |
| 22:00.26 | Vasistha | muhoo: sounds like a good idea ... sorry I didn't think of that :P |
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| 22:00.36 | Kronuz | jelly-home: but there's a small problem |
| 22:00.40 | jelly-home | Kronuz: and you don't really want to overwrite stuff in /usr/share/perl, since your changes would be lost on package upgrades |
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| 22:01.17 | Kronuz | if I update, with CPAN, some modules that already exist at /usr/share/perl, /usr/share/perl has precedence and thus the updated modules will never get active |
| 22:01.22 | jelly-home | Kronuz: you can try using dh-make-perl to build custom packages out of a few modules |
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| 22:01.38 | jelly-home | kronic: hmm. |
| 22:01.47 | Kronuz | as for instance, Bundle::CPAN |
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| 22:02.04 | Kronuz | I updated to the latest version, but perl is still finding the old version |
| 22:02.08 | h3sp4wn | I thought in that case /usr/local had preferance at least it did for me |
| 22:02.20 | Kronuz | 'cause the /usr/share/perl has precedence |
| 22:02.30 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 22:02.30 | jelly-home | Kronuz: I don't think so... this is @INC: /etc/perl:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8:/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8:/usr/lib/perl5:/usr/share/perl5:/usr/lib/perl/5.8:/usr/share/perl/5.8:/usr/local/lib/site_perl:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.0:/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.0:. |
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| 22:02.47 | Kronuz | yeah, the local are first |
| 22:03.01 | Kronuz | but how come I'm still getting the old Bundle::CPAN... |
| 22:03.05 | Kronuz | unless I'm mistaking |
| 22:03.12 | jelly-home | Kronuz: but only some... see /usr/local/lib/site_perl coming later |
| 22:03.38 | Kronuz | ?? |
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| 22:03.56 | Kronuz | oh, yeah |
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| 22:04.01 | jelly-home | ... that's about all of my perl knowledge. I have no idea why is @INC set up like that by default :-) |
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| 22:04.30 | drwahl | Ok, I finally found out what the issue was with the 'screen' thing. the $TERM=xterm-color. once i changed it to TERM=xterm, everything worked just fine |
| 22:04.37 | Kronuz | jelly-home: and I'm not sure the first one in the list has precedence |
| 22:04.40 | Kronuz | (could be) |
| 22:04.47 | Kronuz | or could be the other way too |
| 22:05.38 | jelly-home | Kronuz: I kinda hope it does. :-) |
| 22:05.51 | jelly-home | Kronuz: Dunno, best I can offer is perldoc -q '@INC' ;-) |
| 22:06.27 | Kronuz | reload cpan (after install Bundle::CPAN) shows that it's loading the /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm instead of the one that was downloaded at /use/local/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm |
| 22:06.53 | OwlEye | what could be the problem when i can access the internet from a guest that runs on vmware server 1.0.2, but i cant ping the host IP? |
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| 22:07.09 | jelly-home | Kronuz: that's a bit suspicious... /use/local/share/perl/5.8 isn't in @INC at all |
| 22:07.11 | OwlEye | self ping works aswell |
| 22:07.25 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 22:07.40 | Kronuz | oh, the 5.8 is a symlink to 5.8.8 |
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| 22:07.58 | Kronuz | (so it's the same) |
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| 22:08.08 | jelly-home | well, sounds about right to me |
| 22:08.41 | Kronuz | it should have loaded the one at the local directory instead (which is the new one cpan downloaded) |
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| 22:09.28 | Kronuz | how can I tell what's the CPAN version? |
| 22:09.45 | pinks | How can I overcome this problem? "mkfs.vfat: bad blocks before data-area: cannot make fs" |
| 22:10.03 | jelly-home | cpan -v ? |
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| 22:10.41 | Kronuz | oh |
| 22:10.46 | Kronuz | it is working then :P |
| 22:11.00 | Kronuz | okay, it's working, I just thought it wasn't for some reason :P |
| 22:11.41 | jelly-home | good, it would be really weird if such a major feat didn't work in Debian |
| 22:11.52 | peppe | pinks: maybe using -c or similar options that make use of badblocks in order to find bad blocks and avoid them. but I don't know if this works with vfat partitions too |
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| 22:13.06 | eric__ | does anybody know if doing a network floppy install supports wireless? |
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| 22:13.32 | pinks | peppe: the command I used was " sudo mkfs.vfat -cIv /dev/sda " |
| 22:13.35 | RichiH | if you floppy over the driver and all the tools, sure |
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| 22:14.29 | peppe | pinks: so does it check the device before creating the filesystem? |
| 22:15.35 | peppe | pinks: maybe FAT filesystem doesn't allow a bad block in its "metadata" area (the FAT itself, etc.) |
| 22:15.48 | pinks | peppe: yes - and the output is "/dev/sda has 64 heads and 32 sectors per track".. etc with the badblocks report last and failing the mkfs |
| 22:16.06 | peppe | pinks: sda? why don't you create a partition on that disk? |
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| 22:16.44 | kexman | hi |
| 22:16.51 | kexman | is there anyone who know rsync pretty well ? |
| 22:16.56 | kexman | i need some help with it |
| 22:17.02 | kexman | i am using it |
| 22:17.05 | pinks | peppe: it's a camera card and doesn't seem to need to be partitioned |
| 22:17.05 | kexman | and works fine |
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| 22:17.35 | peppe | pinks: hm... dunno then. sorry |
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| 22:18.04 | kexman | i want to rsync a file from an excluded directory how is that possible with rsync ? can anyone tell me how could i do it ? |
| 22:18.17 | stew | lamer007: that means the 80211 module was created with a different major version of GCC than the kernel |
| 22:19.05 | lamer007 | stew: thanks man, already sorted it out, managed to ssh there, my brother confused me. Already got ipw3945 installed, thanks for help |
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| 22:19.58 | mcbane | hi |
| 22:20.39 | mcbane | i need mysql.h to compile a programm, but there is no mysql-dev or something similar in the apt tree. How can I get mysql.h? |
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| 22:21.10 | lamer007 | stew, just if I can ask one more.. what to do with this ? ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:00.0 disabled; ipw3945: probe of 0000:03:00.0 failed with error -2 |
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| 22:21.53 | xmoogle | hiya, having a weird problem...i don't seem to have a /dev/hda (which should be my dvd writer, my harddrive is sata and shows up as sda) or /dev/hd(anything), /proc/ide only contains a file called "drivers"... |
| 22:22.11 | Vasistha | mcbane: you might need to apt-get source mysql or something like that ... dunno if you need client or server or common or whatnot |
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| 22:22.33 | mcbane | Vasistha: I need the server mysql.h |
| 22:23.10 | pablo_ | it halts when starting networking |
| 22:23.39 | pablo_ | in the part concerning to IPV6 tuneling over IPv4 |
| 22:23.54 | Vasistha | mcbane: you know what you should do -- install apt-rdepends and use it to find the build-depends for the program you're compiling (assuming it's in debian) |
| 22:23.58 | pablo_ | can you help me? |
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| 22:24.26 | mcbane | Vasistha: I try that. |
| 22:24.31 | yigal | hell |
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| 22:24.52 | yigal | sorry just trying to use ii irc client |
| 22:25.30 | yigal | wow its great no fuss and I can use vim to type my mesages. |
| 22:27.19 | yigal | may be not so good? is anyone there? |
| 22:27.39 | xmoogle | lots of people are here! |
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| 22:27.41 | Ronin | yigal: yes we're here |
| 22:27.46 | Ronin | several hundred to be precise |
| 22:27.54 | yigal | thats great! |
| 22:27.54 | Vasistha | Ronin: that's a bit misleading! |
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| 22:29.19 | valdyn | !tell mcbane -about search |
| 22:30.05 | twinkiman | i'm comiling a new debian kernel, i just finished going through the `make menuconfig` stage, but the guide i'm following says i should execute `fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image` however my prompt comes back saying "make-pkg not found", is there some package i'm missing or is my guide outdated? |
| 22:30.21 | valdyn | !kp |
| 22:30.22 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 22:30.22 | yigal | is there a reason why the kernel development of Debian seams to be making rather slow progress 2.6.18 in unstable/testing? Is it he release of Etch as stable? |
| 22:30.47 | lontra | yigal: yup |
| 22:31.12 | Ronin | yigal: we dont go for the latest and greatest |
| 22:31.14 | yigal | lontra: yes, not that I am unhappy, if I was really unhappy I would like the above compile my own. |
| 22:31.14 | valdyn | yigal: 2.6.20 is in unstable |
| 22:31.55 | twinkiman | i guess i'm going against the debian way by using mainline kernel sources (2.6.20.7, yes it is marked stable) will this cause great problems? |
| 22:31.55 | yigal | valdyn: ah, I have not upgraded in a couple of days |
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| 22:32.16 | valdyn | twinkiman: that's not against the debian way |
| 22:32.20 | yigal | twinkiman: no |
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| 22:32.39 | yigal | twinkiman: it will not cause trouble |
| 22:33.03 | yigal | twinkiman: except that building a custom kernel can be time consuming |
| 22:33.19 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-1-686 sid |
| 22:33.19 | twinkiman | ok, does anyone know of a more up to date or complete guide to custom kernel building |
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| 22:33.26 | jelly-home | er |
| 22:33.32 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 sid |
| 22:33.37 | valdyn | twinkiman: why are you making a custom kernel? |
| 22:33.38 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.20-1-686: (Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17480 kB, Installed size: 52920 kB |
| 22:33.40 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 22:33.40 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 22:33.41 | twinkiman | i don't mind building the custom kernel myself, i'm used to poking around in the linux underbelly |
| 22:33.54 | arejay | anyone know how to name a thumb drive? it just shows up as "disk" on my desktop |
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| 22:34.08 | yigal | twinkiman: really a custom kernel will take a lot of time, not just compiling but the possible debugging that is required to make it work. |
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| 22:34.38 | yigal | twinkiman: in the way you want it to |
| 22:34.49 | jelly-home | debian doesn't package -ck kernels, -grsecurity kernels, or other nifty stuff |
| 22:35.57 | kdean06 | They're not that hard to make. Debian's got nifty packaging tools. |
| 22:36.13 | twinkiman | i just don't see it all that important to compile suport for hardware i'll never use, not deal with the security implications of having them around either |
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| 22:37.11 | kdean06 | twinkiman, Sometimes you HAVE to, like compiling in support for an SATA boot drive on Sarge. :) Or if you want to run the vserver patchset for virtual hosting. For desktop usage, it's not typically needed. |
| 22:37.34 | yigal | I like the idea of taking all the pieces out of the debian kernel I don't use and see how much faster the kernel boots. This would be fun. |
| 22:38.24 | jelly-home | yigal: not much faster at all, probably |
| 22:38.33 | kdean06 | yigal, If you're running on anything faster than a Pentium II, you'll notice a full half second's speed increase. Assuming you power off every time you walk away, after 3 years, you'll regain the time it took to compile it in the firstplace. ;) |
| 22:38.48 | twinkiman | all my servers have specific purposes and a reasonable plan and i know the hardware fairly well |
| 22:39.12 | yigal | Wow a full 1/2 second for a computer I reboot every week or less WOW! |
| 22:39.29 | twinkiman | if you raelly want a boot speed increase, try using init-ng |
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| 22:39.41 | kdean06 | Yeah. :) For a desktop, if you can use your hardware, you're wasting time compiling a kernel. |
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| 22:39.56 | twinkiman | it's not a desktop though, it is a server |
| 22:40.02 | CoolCubix | kdean06> I like your productivity calc ^^ |
| 22:40.11 | yigal | oops I meant a week or more. for my native tongue I can't write. |
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| 22:40.16 | kdean06 | :) |
| 22:40.21 | aubade | There any way in specifying what resolution to start xserver with when using startx script instead of a display manager? Without editing out higher resolutions on xorg.conf, that is. |
| 22:40.28 | kexman | what is the first number column when you do ls -al in a directory ? |
| 22:41.02 | twinkiman | i only have a gui installed so that my junior admins can do work too |
| 22:41.03 | kdean06 | twinkiman, I was referring to yigal. |
| 22:41.03 | twinkiman | oh, oops |
| 22:41.03 | jelly-home | kdean06: only a person can do other stuff while kernel is building, not just staring at the scrolling make output ;-) |
| 22:41.04 | luosm | Could someone help me figure out why my touchpad doesn't work the way it should? |
| 22:41.04 | jelly-home | s/only/only,/ |
| 22:41.15 | kdean06 | jelly-home, True, but that's no fun. ;) |
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| 22:41.33 | jelly-home | it messes up the lost time calculation ;-) |
| 22:41.45 | kdean06 | Exactly why it's no fun. |
| 22:41.53 | yigal | jelly-home: staring at the modules building is a blast |
| 22:41.53 | jelly-home | might break even after only 6 months! |
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| 22:42.09 | lontra | hopefully it will get into debian |
| 22:42.30 | kdean06 | What did you build, and do you have a sponsor? |
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| 22:42.48 | lontra | kdean06: i built kde-style-domino ... and i don't have a sponsor |
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| 22:43.29 | kdean06 | lontra, You should join #debian-mentors on OFTC and have them look it over. You'll need a sponsor if you want it accepted upstream. |
| 22:43.49 | lontra | kdean06: i know...i've been there and on #debian-qt-kde ... |
| 22:43.58 | kdean06 | Cool. :) Good luck then. |
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| 22:44.22 | lontra | kdean06: thanks |
| 22:44.58 | yigal | does anyone know a simple way to fool a website into thinking I am using firefox rather than iceweasel? I am taking an online course that requires the use of IE or Firefox. I have installed firefox on Debian before - np - but if there is a way to easily fool the website I will use this approach. |
| 22:45.21 | Lin | there is any way to set Y to all, while overriding files? (ex: *** gdm.conf-custom (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?) |
| 22:45.22 | lontra | yigal: it should already recognize it as firefox |
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| 22:45.47 | yigal | lontra: it unfortunately does not. |
| 22:46.19 | yigal | lonta: I believe this may have to do with a slite change in the libraries used. |
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| 22:46.24 | muhoo | thanks for all your help! |
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| 22:46.33 | muhoo | etch amd64 installation is now proceeding nicely |
| 22:46.48 | yigal | s/slite/slight |
| 22:46.51 | muhoo | it's not using the cdrom at all, it's grabbing shit off the network, which is annoying, but oh well, at least it's working |
| 22:47.21 | yigal | muhoo: it is taking from the net because the net has newer packages |
| 22:47.43 | muhoo | no, it's not even accessing the cdrom at all |
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| 22:48.07 | muhoo | and, the net has 4.0r0, and the cd is 4.0r0, unless there have been lots of updates |
| 22:48.14 | muhoo | since etch release :-) |
| 22:48.20 | yigal | muhoo: funny :( |
| 22:48.51 | mpil | hi, do u know if there is a tools to monitore raid? I'm doing raid in hardware not in software, I know there is something under RedHat (redman) but I guess there is the same under Debian |
| 22:49.12 | muhoo | it seems to me like the usb boot image is just a wrapper around a foo.iso cd-image file |
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| 22:49.43 | muhoo | so, it's a syslinux.cfg, a vmlinux, an initrd.cfg, and an iso image of your choosing. |
| 22:49.49 | muhoo | pretty clever actually. |
| 22:50.04 | h3sp4wn | Lin: -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew |
| 22:50.30 | Lin | h3sp4wn: thankz ;-) |
| 22:50.35 | muhoo | though, i wish it would have found my cdrom drive, but i can live with the hack |
| 22:50.48 | valdyn | yigal: go to "about:config" and change the agent string |
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| 22:51.46 | Insolit | can i exclude a dir inside a path to copy with cp? |
| 22:52.04 | drwahl | any one have any info/opinion about 64bit debian vs 32 debian (on a 64bit cpu of course)? |
| 22:52.17 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 22:52.17 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
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| 22:52.52 | Lin | Insolit: you can use the exclude wildcard (btw, I never used), cpio or tar can do your task better. |
| 22:53.08 | Natniet | is there a release option in dhclient ? |
| 22:53.08 | drwahl | i heard that the 64bit version is actually slower than the 32bit |
| 22:53.13 | lontra | does pbuilder create take a long time? |
| 22:53.20 | valdyn | drwahl: no, thats wrong |
| 22:53.25 | Insolit | Lin: would take twice the time |
| 22:53.29 | Insolit | i'll go for rsync |
| 22:53.37 | muhoo | what, a completely false rumour? :-) |
| 22:53.39 | Insolit | though im not sure of the parameters |
| 22:53.40 | valdyn | drwahl: it can be slower, its faster more often than not |
| 22:53.55 | Lin | Insolit: not really, you can use | magic |
| 22:54.01 | Insolit | magic? |
| 22:54.11 | drwahl | is there any compatibility issues with 32bit apps? or does the emulation work well? |
| 22:54.15 | Lin | Insolit: pipe |
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| 22:54.26 | valdyn | drwahl: there's no emulation |
| 22:54.33 | Insolit | Lin: how would u do it? |
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| 22:54.38 | dkr | tar -cpf - --exclude foo | tar -C /destiantion -xpf - |
| 22:54.44 | drwahl | if there is no emulation, how do the 32bit apps work on the 64bit arch? |
| 22:54.50 | Lin | Insolit: DKR answered. |
| 22:54.54 | Insolit | :D |
| 22:54.55 | yigal | valdyn: yes, it works, ty. |
| 22:55.05 | Insolit | i see |
| 22:55.08 | h3sp4wn | drwahl: alsa act in strange ways - oss stuff is fine - other than that no real issues |
| 22:55.10 | valdyn | drwahl: they run natively |
| 22:55.10 | Insolit | u use tar with no compression |
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| 22:55.14 | Insolit | thanks Lin and dkr |
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| 22:55.31 | Lin | Insolit: I have done nothing. dkr done the job.. pay him |
| 22:55.33 | delire_ | dkr: a -z in there no? |
| 22:55.41 | Lin | delire_: no |
| 22:55.47 | Lin | delire_: Z compress.. |
| 22:55.49 | dkr | delire_: no point in compressing when copying to same machine :) |
| 22:55.56 | delire_ | fair enough.. |
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| 22:56.06 | Insolit | why -cpf - --exclude |
| 22:56.21 | rcbarnes | Is there an easy way to have gcc use -j3 and ccache by default? |
| 22:56.26 | Insolit | there's one '-' more right? |
| 22:56.27 | nn-laptop | what is a nice shell irc |
| 22:56.32 | dkr | --exclude foo /stuftocopy actually wheer foo is the exclude pattern |
| 22:56.39 | Lin | c = creates f file - to stdout |
| 22:56.43 | yigal | nn-laptop: I am using ii |
| 22:56.46 | Lin | p i didn't remember |
| 22:56.51 | Insolit | oh - is to stdout |
| 22:56.53 | Insolit | brilliant |
| 22:56.54 | yigal | nn-laptop: its great its by suckless |
| 22:57.04 | dkr | -p preserves permissions |
| 22:57.08 | nn-laptop | ?? yigal what package |
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| 22:57.14 | Lin | dkr: here comes dkr again ;-) |
| 22:57.18 | mpil | anyone for the RAID tool ? |
| 22:57.25 | Lin | p = preserve |
| 22:57.28 | nn-laptop | !ii |
| 22:57.36 | Natniet | !dhclient |
| 22:57.36 | dpkg | i guess dhclient is if it doesn't work you usually forgot to enable some kernel options. dhclient writes to your logfiles what you have to activate. check syslog and messages after running dhclient, or the kernel options you need are config_filter and config_packet |
| 22:57.41 | muhoo | that amd64 faq is great, thanks |
| 22:57.45 | Insolit | btw dkr where do i define source dir? |
| 22:57.59 | valdyn | drwahl: the only real remaining issue for 64-bit distros is the distro support for installing 32-bit software, not the possibility to run 32-bit software |
| 22:58.05 | dkr | Insolit: as an argument to tar |
| 22:58.18 | Lin | Insolit: after foo ;-) |
| 22:58.25 | Natniet | !release |
| 22:58.26 | dpkg | it has been said that release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 22:58.26 | Insolit | after --exclude foo right? |
| 22:58.29 | Insolit | ok :D |
| 22:58.31 | Insolit | thanks mates |
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| 22:58.34 | drwahl | valdyn: ok, maybe that is what is was thinking. i have a friend that is linux savy that said something along those lines |
| 22:58.35 | yigal | nn-laptop: check out there website http://www.suckless.org/wiki/tools/irc |
| 22:58.42 | Lin | be welcome |
| 22:59.09 | yigal | nn-laptop: the source is 9k and can be built very easily. |
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| 23:00.28 | yigal | delire: dito to that |
| 23:00.28 | Insolit | btw rsync -av --exclude=pattern source destiny also does the job :D |
| 23:00.36 | valdyn | rcbarnes: how to use ccache by default is in the ccachd documentation, -j3 has nothing to do with gcc, thats a flag for make, which you could add by default with 'alias' |
| 23:00.54 | muhoo | whoa whoa whoa.... what is this "pure64"? is it another distro? |
| 23:01.07 | valdyn | muhoo: that's an obsolete name |
| 23:01.15 | muhoo | *whew* |
| 23:01.19 | valdyn | muhoo: its |
| 23:01.21 | muhoo | then the faq is wrong :-) |
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| 23:01.51 | muhoo | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 23:01.58 | muhoo | sorry, the howto |
| 23:02.02 | mips | What cds do you need for etch & kde ? |
| 23:02.19 | yigal | mips: just get the first dvd |
| 23:02.25 | lontra | mips: the kde desktop cd ... it should be the one at the bottom |
| 23:02.43 | mips | yigal, no can do, only got 1.4GB left for the month |
| 23:02.51 | muhoo | cd's++ |
| 23:02.55 | muhoo | dvd's-- |
| 23:03.03 | muhoo | dvd download uses up tons of bandwidth |
| 23:03.06 | valdyn | muhoo: probably not wrong, just there's no need for that name anymore as pure64 is debian/amd64 now |
| 23:03.10 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 23:03.20 | lontra | or the kde desktop cd |
| 23:03.27 | abrotman | use the netinst :) |
| 23:03.29 | lontra | it's ~700 mb |
| 23:03.38 | lontra | abrotman: well if he wnats kde ... why not just d/l the cd? |
| 23:03.49 | abrotman | because he's still likely to waste bits |
| 23:03.52 | yigal | mips: get netinstaller, use the smallest install and then install kde on top of this. |
| 23:04.19 | muhoo | heh heh "retrieving and installing linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4..." |
| 23:04.37 | mips | how big is kde gonna be ? I dont mind dl'ing a 700mb cd if i can get kde on it plus a base system. |
| 23:04.52 | lontra | mips: the kde cd includes a ton of kde apps |
| 23:05.05 | abrotman | mips: use the netinst |
| 23:05.14 | lontra | mips: unless you want a ton of kde apps you're probably best to use netinstall and install kde-core |
| 23:05.22 | delire | mips: it's relative. the general rule is "always 2.5 times more than you thought". |
| 23:05.22 | lontra | mips: then cherry pick what you want after |
| 23:05.55 | yigal | mips: from what you have said 1.4G you have limited band width, but netinstaller will work |
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| 23:06.38 | mips | I, dont mind a few extra kde apps if I'm gonna install them anyway. |
| 23:06.49 | mips | Anyone got a link to the KDE desktop CD ? |
| 23:06.54 | lontra | mips: one sec... |
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| 23:06.59 | abrotman | just use the netinst .. it's the easiest way to install |
| 23:07.05 | abrotman | and the most bandwidth efficient |
| 23:07.27 | krazykit | actually, the business card CD is smaller |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | krazykit: but it doesn't have the base system |
| 23:07.41 | lontra | abrotman: it's not the easiest way ...most efficient yes |
| 23:07.42 | twinkiman | business card is better |
| 23:07.47 | lontra | mips: where do you live? |
| 23:07.48 | yigal | krazykit: does it have kde on it? |
| 23:07.53 | krazykit | if he's doing netinst, it's not a problem |
| 23:07.55 | abrotman | lontra: i disagree .. it's just as easy |
| 23:07.58 | mips | lontra, South Africa |
| 23:08.04 | muhoo | im having good luck w/bus card image |
| 23:08.07 | abrotman | we're all wasting his bandwidth! |
| 23:08.11 | lontra | abrotman: but you still need to know what to install after your initial install |
| 23:08.14 | stew | yigal: no, it does't even have a base system |
| 23:08.14 | mips | lontra, but uk is fastest access for me if not sa |
| 23:08.20 | lontra | mips: ok |
| 23:08.26 | abrotman | lontra: and? what's the problem? |
| 23:08.26 | yigal | stew: lol |
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| 23:08.46 | stew | if you download a businesscard cd then install on 2 machines, then it would have been less bandwidth to just download the netinst (and not have to download base twice) |
| 23:08.53 | stew | or install on one machine twice |
| 23:08.57 | lontra | abrotman: that makes it 'not the easiest' |
| 23:08.57 | Zoo | hello |
| 23:09.01 | twinkiman | the netinstall or businesscard install lets you select exactly what packages you want to install and uses the most up to date sources rather than downloading a set of like 8 cds of which only half you might actually use |
| 23:09.10 | Zoo | thanks for whoever took care of that.. |
| 23:09.10 | lontra | mips: what architecture type? |
| 23:09.16 | abrotman | lontra: do you actually use tasksel? i don't .. for me both items are exactly the same |
| 23:09.17 | lontra | abrotman: regardless ... |
| 23:09.20 | mips | lontra i386 is good |
| 23:09.26 | lepine_h | how about making a local .deb repository so you netinstall once, and have all the installed packages cached locally? |
| 23:09.27 | Zoo | heya abrotman |
| 23:09.37 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:09.45 | abrotman | lepine_h: apt-cache ? |
| 23:09.52 | twinkiman | the difference between the netinstall and businesscard install is that the netinstall contains the base system you will have to have to make it work (again if you want the latest stuff go with the business card) |
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| 23:09.55 | stew | or apt-proxy |
| 23:09.55 | nn-laptop | ?? yigal it sys i cant send on channel |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:09.57 | lepine_h | for instance |
| 23:09.58 | lontra | mips: wget -c ftp://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 23:09.58 | hunterp | 16:06 -!- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu was synced in 1 secs |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | stew: that's what i meant :) |
| 23:10.05 | jpin | When are the linux-headers-2.6.20 coming out? in a week? |
| 23:10.10 | hunterp | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:10.13 | hunterp | what is that? |
| 23:10.17 | abrotman | lontra: you're a bandwidth waster! |
| 23:10.29 | abrotman | hunterp: which version of ubuntu are you running ? |
| 23:10.29 | stew | !b-e hunterp |
| 23:10.30 | dpkg | hunterp: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 23:10.40 | twinkiman | jpin: i'm installing 2.6.20.7 right now manually |
| 23:10.53 | jpin | twinkiman: what about the debian way? |
| 23:11.22 | gnubee | is there a list of meta packages? |
| 23:11.31 | twinkiman | it's not outside the debian way exactly, just not the one or two command way |
| 23:11.38 | Zoo | hey if anyone isn't busy, and they configuring tao-opengl in debian, plz let me know.. I was at it from all day yesterday, through the nite, and was tired as heck, after that :P |
| 23:11.51 | twinkiman | debian provides the tools to make a custom kernel quite nicely |
| 23:11.55 | yigal | nn-laptop: what is the exact error? |
| 23:11.57 | hunterp | im going to switch to debian asap but until then ill just build subversion |
| 23:12.15 | mips | thanks guys ! i will decide between a net install & kde desktop cd. I have done a netinstall before on a few occasions so i will think about it |
| 23:12.42 | yigal | mips: I hope what ever you use works :) |
| 23:12.47 | lontra | mips: use a netinstall to make abrotman happy ... personally i use the kde cd because i keep all the kde apps on my lappy |
| 23:12.47 | Vasistha | gnubee: I don't really know what meta packages are, perhaps you mean virtual packages? You can get at those in aptitude |
| 23:12.57 | hunterp | stew: tx. |
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| 23:13.01 | gnubee | Vasistha, yes something like that |
| 23:13.04 | twinkiman | soon as i get my fileserver up and running again, i've got to setup a local repository for my university |
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| 23:13.14 | valdyn | !meta package |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | lontra: doesn't matter to me .. |
| 23:13.16 | mips | yigal, debian has not failed me yet :) |
| 23:13.34 | yigal | I don't know why anyone would use KDE or GNOME but hey to each there own |
| 23:13.48 | wintix | !metapackage |
| 23:13.48 | dpkg | [metapackage] a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
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| 23:14.13 | muhoo | dpkg: WILL rogers, you tool |
| 23:14.15 | mips | lontra, I might just do that but if i'm gonna install on my lappy & desktop I think it would be better to download the kde cd. I'm sure I can do a base install of the cd and just add what i want ? |
| 23:14.17 | lontra | yigal: because they are both sound desktops and if you have newer hardware why live like a minimalist? you can still use a terminal all yo uwant |
| 23:14.19 | Zoo | I tried to compiz , tao-opengl from source, but maybe I'm just doing something wrong, or not throwing in an arguement :S |
| 23:14.39 | twinkiman | speaking of my fileserver, does anyone know how to make a netisntall flashdrive?, crappy dell hardware causes incompatibilities with my external dvd drive so that all attempts to install via cd/dvd have failed |
| 23:14.45 | lontra | mips: yeah ... now if you're going to install kde on two places then using the kde desktop cd would be more efficient |
| 23:14.51 | muhoo | dpkg: roy rogers was a singer and a cowboy actor |
| 23:14.53 | stew | twinkiman: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 23:14.53 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 23:14.54 | dpkg | hmm... usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/, or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 23:15.02 | seriouslycgi | whats an ipv6 tunnel |
| 23:15.07 | Zoo | mips, or go debian from scratch :P |
| 23:15.08 | yigal | lontra: a minimalist doesn't waiste because they have or don't have the resources. we live as we do because it is easier |
| 23:15.12 | gnubee | dpkg, is a good doggie |
| 23:15.24 | muhoo | dpkg: roy rogers is a singer and a cowboy actor |
| 23:15.24 | twinkiman | i'm not trying to boot a working disto, i'm working on trying to get the netinstall running |
| 23:15.24 | dpkg | okay, muhoo |
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| 23:15.29 | twinkiman | via flashdrive |
| 23:15.31 | Vasistha | does aptitude keep a log of past actions? |
| 23:15.34 | muhoo | >;-) |
| 23:15.35 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: yes |
| 23:15.36 | abrotman | muhoo: ? |
| 23:15.57 | lontra | muhoo: it's also a non-alcholic drink |
| 23:15.58 | Zoo | twinkiman: , what netinstall are you working with, how did you burn it, what speeds :) |
| 23:15.59 | stew | twinkiman: see the first url dpkg just mentioned |
| 23:16.01 | mips | Zoo, no thanks, I'll pass :) |
| 23:16.01 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: where? |
| 23:16.08 | Zoo | lol :) |
| 23:16.15 | twinkiman | it's a dell problem trust me |
| 23:16.17 | gnubee | hmmm i could probably grep the Packages file in the dvd to get a list of meta packages right? |
| 23:16.20 | abrotman | Vasistha: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:16.21 | Zoo | ah :-) |
| 23:16.23 | yigal | lontra: sorry, I was generalizing, that is why I am a minimalist - can't speak for all minimalism |
| 23:16.25 | muhoo | dpkg: will rogers is the humorist who never met a metapackage he didn't like |
| 23:16.26 | dpkg | muhoo: okay |
| 23:16.26 | Vasistha | abrotman: thanks! |
| 23:16.34 | twinkiman | debian etch amd64 4.0r0 |
| 23:16.41 | Zoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.42 | lontra | yigal: no worries .. |
| 23:16.56 | lontra | muhoo: ?? |
| 23:17.03 | wintix | hehe |
| 23:17.07 | Zoo | you can still get an i386, you'll be fine for starters :) |
| 23:17.25 | twinkiman | the only way i've gotten it to boot any external cd drive is using a flash drive to get it started |
| 23:17.26 | muhoo | lontra: dpkg misidentifies the humorist who said "i never met a man i didn't like" |
| 23:17.40 | yigal | nn-laptop: r u there? |
| 23:17.41 | twinkiman | just to get past the initrd loading |
| 23:17.42 | Zoo | whats wrong with booting it from the interntal optical drive |
| 23:17.43 | lontra | muhoo: of course |
| 23:17.54 | Zoo | internal* |
| 23:17.54 | abrotman | !tell gnubee about grounding |
| 23:17.59 | lontra | gnubee: there's ton of free books online .. google for them |
| 23:18.09 | gnubee | lontra, that's what im doing now ;) |
| 23:18.10 | wintix | !tell yigal about u |
| 23:18.12 | twinkiman | gnubee: don't buy a book, dive right in and look online when you need to |
| 23:18.18 | lontra | gnubee: good good |
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| 23:18.36 | abrotman | !tell nnlowlevel about root |
| 23:18.38 | Zoo | twinkiman: , whats wrong with not being able to set it to boot from cdrom/dvd rom etc... first boot |
| 23:18.45 | gnubee | it's difficult coming from the RH derivatives ... im lost |
| 23:18.49 | rcbarnes | valdyn: thanks. I've got those set up now. |
| 23:18.54 | lontra | abrotman: you have fast eyes |
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| 23:19.07 | abrotman | gnubee: /msg dpkg refcard .. it's a handy reference for those familiar with linux but not so much with debian |
| 23:19.28 | abrotman | lontra: he's been doing it over and over for a little bit |
| 23:19.32 | muhoo | ok, i think i'm good now.: "(1h49m28s remaining)" |
| 23:19.35 | muhoo | thanks all |
| 23:19.36 | abrotman | oh .. just twice |
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| 23:19.43 | gnubee | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:19.53 | nn-laptop | Help !!!! ircii wont let me send a irc message! |
| 23:20.02 | abrotman | because you're root!!! |
| 23:20.14 | abrotman | stop running your irc client as root |
| 23:20.15 | nn-laptop | ok that explanes it thanks |
| 23:20.23 | lontra | ha ha ha |
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| 23:20.29 | yigal | nn-laptop: do you have more than 1 irce client running that is probably why |
| 23:20.36 | Zoo | twinkiman: , havn't you tried booting it up from the optical drive inside your laptop |
| 23:21.26 | abrotman | yigal: it is ? |
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| 23:22.13 | Zoo | ? |
| 23:22.39 | twinkiman | it's not a laptop |
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| 23:22.50 | Zoo | oh my bad, what is it then :) |
| 23:22.56 | yigal | abrotman: for ii, when I had a few ii instances I couldn't connect to #debian, don't know why? so I #pkill ii and everything is fine when I restart - but you are right I don't know for sure why |
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| 23:23.05 | twinkiman | it's a dell poweredge SC1420 |
| 23:23.08 | xange | anybody know of a good place to buy bulk cat5/6? |
| 23:23.15 | Zoo | and what seems to be the problem |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | yigal: what the fuck is 'ii' ? |
| 23:23.25 | twinkiman | xange: local contruction yards |
| 23:23.26 | lepine_h | your local home depot will usually have 1000' reels |
| 23:23.36 | yigal | abrotman: terminal based irc client |
| 23:23.45 | lontra | !ii |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | 'ii' is a horrible nickname |
| 23:23.52 | lontra | irssi? |
| 23:23.59 | yigal | ii captain |
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| 23:24.09 | twinkiman | Zoo: after loading initrd the system will report ready and freeze |
| 23:24.13 | abrotman | well .. then ircii is an even crappier client than i thought |
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| 23:24.23 | yigal | abrotman: I don't care what it sounds like it works really nicely |
| 23:24.31 | Zoo | maybe that system isn't supported lol |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | apparnetly not |
| 23:24.36 | twinkiman | Zoo: this has happened with both debian and suse, so i'm pretty sure that it's not a debian thing |
| 23:24.39 | Zoo | I don't even have what you got :P |
| 23:24.46 | Zoo | >_< |
| 23:24.54 | Zoo | hee :) |
| 23:25.03 | Zoo | well, seems hardware support issue :) |
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| 23:25.05 | twinkiman | it's gonna be alot better soon, i've got 4GB of ram on the way |
| 23:25.05 | mips | Wrt the KDE cd, What does this mean http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13488 |
| 23:25.12 | Zoo | lmao |
| 23:25.14 | xange | lepine_h, don't see anything on their site... :-/ |
| 23:25.19 | Zoo | for that Xeon eh? :) |
| 23:25.27 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | hi all this is my esd mechiean pentioum 1 |
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| 23:25.36 | abrotman | machine ? |
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| 23:26.05 | yigal | nn-laptop: I couldn't use multitail ~/.multitailrc you have to use /etc/multitail.conf for ii |
| 23:26.06 | litage | why would updating a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ require me to run ``update-initramfs -k all -u'' afterwards? |
| 23:26.09 | twinkiman | Zoo: so the way i fixed this issue with suse, was to make a bootable flashdrive that could load all the files from the dvd after it got started up |
| 23:26.18 | lontra | mips: you don't have a choice as to what it installs ... i.e. it doesn't run tasksel ... if you want tasksel use a netinstall |
| 23:26.22 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | more of a where house then room |
| 23:26.37 | twinkiman | can you just write an iso to a flashdrive and have it work? |
| 23:27.01 | yigal | twinkiman: I don't think so |
| 23:27.05 | twinkiman | it's a 1G flashdrive, so it should be able to hold the entire netinstall |
| 23:27.09 | Zoo | well I"m sure you could pretty much do just about anything you put your mind too |
| 23:27.18 | Zoo | to* |
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| 23:27.33 | Zoo | yeah, the net install is like 120 mb some |
| 23:27.38 | twinkiman | yeah |
| 23:27.55 | Zoo | I have used netinstall for all debian installs |
| 23:27.59 | twinkiman | me too |
| 23:28.00 | wintix | even smaller if you use the mini-netinstall thing |
| 23:28.05 | yigal | twinkiman: you have to have computer that will boot usb, and whose bios is configured to that I think there are other precautions |
| 23:28.06 | twinkiman | businesscard |
| 23:28.10 | Zoo | its pointless to download the binary cd, or dvd images.. |
| 23:28.17 | wintix | twinkiman: ah yes. :) |
| 23:28.20 | Zoo | I can do things with my line faster than doing all that |
| 23:28.28 | mips | lontra, thx. in that case it looks like net-install.... |
| 23:28.28 | Zoo | I' |
| 23:28.39 | twinkiman | yigal: i can boot usb, it just doesn't like my external dvd for some bizzare reason |
| 23:28.41 | Zoo | I"m going to be working on creating my own live cd etc.. off my custom debian |
| 23:28.45 | lontra | mips: np |
| 23:28.57 | abrotman | !usb install ? |
| 23:28.57 | dpkg | usb-install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/, or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 23:29.07 | abrotman | lontra: see! |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | twinkiman: did you check both those URLs ? |
| 23:29.16 | lontra | abrotman: he he |
| 23:29.20 | lontra | !win abrotman |
| 23:29.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:29.26 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | wow debin.org is big! |
| 23:29.36 | Zoo | yeah, that system you got , you should be able to boot from usdb |
| 23:29.38 | Zoo | usb* |
| 23:29.41 | mips | Zoo, net install is 160MB. Pretty big for a netinstall |
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| 23:30.11 | Zoo | on my workstation, I could boot up from usb if I wanted to |
| 23:30.23 | lontra | mips: i agree ... i know other distros like opensuse and fedora are something like 30 mb |
| 23:30.26 | Zoo | its all what the motherboard supports :) |
| 23:30.36 | Zoo | more like, the bios/cmos |
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| 23:30.39 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | the adisk install is more like a ""netinstall"" |
| 23:30.59 | Zoo | mips, its whatever.. :) |
| 23:31.56 | wintix | lontra: you could use businesscard images. those are only 25-50Mb. the netinstall brings the whole base-system which you would download anyways |
| 23:31.58 | Zoo | 838 items, totalling 157.4 MB |
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| 23:32.24 | twinkiman | abrotman: the first one might be useful, but i think i'm gonna have to play around with it and change some stuff myself |
| 23:32.27 | mips | lontra, I had the openbsd one in mind I used the other day |
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| 23:32.36 | Zoo | yeah me as well mips |
| 23:32.46 | Zoo | but guess what mips.. OpenBSD doesn't have acpi support... yet |
| 23:32.51 | lontra | wintix: it's true ... you download it eventually anyways |
| 23:32.56 | Zoo | alot of issues with laptops hardcore m8 |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | twinkiman: ok |
| 23:33.10 | Zoo | i reviewed there entire documentation on 4.0 |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | wintix: but if your NIC isn't supported .. you have to get the netinst anyways |
| 23:33.22 | Zoo | i was sad :( |
| 23:33.32 | twinkiman | i'm beginning to believe that there just may not be anyhting documented for what i'm trying to do with etch |
| 23:33.47 | mips | Zoo, I noticed that. At least my laptop fan stays on and not off :) Even the install from the net is nice and small |
| 23:33.51 | Zoo | was sad to see someone post.. to get wireless to work... ac adapter can't be hooked up, or something like that . |
| 23:33.52 | Zoo | weird |
| 23:33.53 | wintix | abrotman: hm. yes. |
| 23:33.56 | abrotman | twinkiman: to put the ISO on a usb drive? |
| 23:33.59 | Zoo | lol yea |
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| 23:34.16 | Zoo | I really have plans still, to work with OpenBSD :-) |
| 23:34.24 | Zoo | maybe in the future :) |
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| 23:34.38 | freeone3000 | Is dpkg broken for anyone else on sid? |
| 23:34.44 | Zoo | heck maybe mips, we can work together :) |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | twinkiman: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en .. you sure bout that ? |
| 23:35.00 | stew | freeone3000: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:35.06 | mips | Zoo, I hope so as well. I will keep it on my lappy though, I love the OS |
| 23:35.06 | Zoo | I need help configuring tao-opengl in debian lmao.. |
| 23:35.18 | Zoo | I did everything right I think, with trying to make, then when I did sudo make install, |
| 23:35.25 | Zoo | nothing.. talking about a missing target or someting :S |
| 23:35.37 | Zoo | nice |
| 23:35.49 | Zoo | yeah I read alot about people loving OpenBSD, :P |
| 23:35.50 | abrotman | Zoo: what the hell are you on about ? |
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| 23:36.18 | abrotman | Zoo: are you c|int also ? |
| 23:36.27 | Zoo | abrotman: plz speak to me like you do everyone here :) |
| 23:36.34 | Zoo | thanks |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | can you use whole words ? |
| 23:37.22 | Zoo | anyways.. has anyone configured tao-opengl in debian yet? or even XGL + Compiz? |
| 23:37.28 | dkr | Zoo: that might not be a good thing, :) |
| 23:37.33 | Zoo | I been doing alot of research on my own, but getting nowhere |
| 23:37.36 | twinkiman | WOOT! thanks abrotman |
| 23:37.50 | abrotman | twinkiman: see .. that wasn't so hard to find |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | Zoo: xgl isn't in debian |
| 23:38.01 | twinkiman | i've been looking for an hour or so |
| 23:38.06 | wintix | Zoo: why would you want to have XGL? |
| 23:38.13 | abrotman | twinkiman: installation manual is a good place to start :) |
| 23:38.13 | dkr | dpkg: tell Zoo about compiz |
| 23:38.17 | Zoo | I already configure beryl etc.. with AIGLX |
| 23:38.24 | Zoo | dkr, no thanks.. |
| 23:38.26 | luosm | abortman: Not even beryl right? |
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| 23:38.31 | Zoo | leave me alone abrotman ;) |
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| 23:38.46 | Zoo | thank you :) |
| 23:38.59 | yigal | Zoo: is compiz/xgl much faster than beryl/aixgl? |
| 23:39.03 | abrotman | i thought so |
| 23:39.10 | dkr | Zoo: uhm, you asked if anyne has used xgl and compiz indebian, that factoid obviously answers your question. |
| 23:39.16 | mips | g'night all. I'm gonna go sleep while the net-install cd downloads and install in the morning. cheers |
| 23:39.17 | Zoo | for what I want it for, its for what i want it for and know how it works on my hardware |
| 23:39.35 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | on to eht wires |
| 23:39.41 | Zoo | some people just don't stop do they |
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| 23:39.56 | Natniet | is it possible that a dhcpd can detect i have used a hwaddress in my interfaces setup ? |
| 23:39.58 | Zoo | I'm just going to do this like I normally do, and be on my own journey |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:40.08 | yigal | nn-lowlevel-p1: what about wireless? |
| 23:40.13 | jahshua | someone mention OpenBSD ? |
| 23:40.23 | dkr | Zoo: far out, man. happy voyage |
| 23:40.31 | yigal | jahshua: obsd is pretty cool |
| 23:40.35 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | lol |
| 23:40.36 | jahshua | i know. |
| 23:40.37 | SerajewelKS | is there a good reason why it should take about 15 seconds to establish an ssh connection to a box on the same LAN segment, when neither box is under any load? |
| 23:40.38 | mips | jahshua, me |
| 23:40.51 | jahshua | im using it, currently upgrading it to -current. |
| 23:41.12 | infernix | SerajewelKS: unresolvable ip (e.g. no reverse dns, no hosts entry) |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: RDNS ? |
| 23:41.22 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | running of 27M ram |
| 23:41.32 | mips | jahshua, on a laptop ? |
| 23:41.35 | Ankman | wow |
| 23:41.37 | dkr | SerajewelKS: I noticed the same problem afetr upgrade and tracked it to a change int he default /etc/ssh/ssh_config: GSSAPIAuthentication yes |
| 23:41.41 | jahshua | mips yeh. |
| 23:41.52 | SerajewelKS | infernix, abrotman: why would ssh do rdns on a reserved ip block (192.168.0.0/16) |
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| 23:42.10 | infernix | SerajewelKS: just does, at least by default. |
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| 23:42.15 | mips | jahshua, we will have to talk some time :) but now i have to go to bed. Do you always hang out here ? |
| 23:42.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: just a question .. sometimes it causes a problem |
| 23:42.25 | jahshua | mips: yep. :) |
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| 23:42.35 | SerajewelKS | infernix: why, for the love of pete |
| 23:42.35 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: with hylafax .. i had to put in all the ips into the hosts file |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 23:42.40 | dpkg | well, iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 23:42.45 | jahshua | mips: i am a noob though. |
| 23:42.46 | jahshua | heh |
| 23:42.47 | abrotman | pseubodot: HA! |
| 23:42.48 | mips | jahshua, then i look forward to chatting to you later :) cheers |
| 23:42.52 | jahshua | see ya |
| 23:42.54 | infernix | SerajewelKS: imho it should, anyway. |
| 23:42.55 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | wow ircii can onily be on one channel at a time |
| 23:42.55 | dkr | SerajewelKS: (my solution was changing the yes to no, if that wasn't obvious :) |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | nn-lowlevel-p1: so use irssi .. |
| 23:43.08 | mips | jahshua, same here but two heads are always better than one |
| 23:43.13 | wintix | nn-lowlevel-p1: get a better client? |
| 23:43.15 | jahshua | true. |
| 23:43.21 | abrotman | dkr: no 'maybe' option ? :) |
| 23:43.35 | mips | G'night all. |
| 23:43.40 | jahshua | night. |
| 23:44.13 | land0 | If i were to download the disks for debian is there a minimum number of disks needed to have a basic desktop using GNOME? |
| 23:44.13 | infernix | im really pleased with amd64. i was on i386, i simply dumped package list with dpkg and reinstalled all packaged for amd64. then copied my entire homedir over to amd64 partition, and then changed a few things in /etc. |
| 23:44.25 | land0 | Or do I have to download all of them? |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | land0: most use the netinst .. and then start from there |
| 23:44.33 | infernix | flash 9 works fine with nspluginwrapper, built acroread for amd64. nothing really thats not working |
| 23:44.35 | wintix | land0: if your box has broadband connectivity, consider using the netinstall |
| 23:44.45 | land0 | ya |
| 23:44.52 | SerajewelKS | infernix: imo it should not |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | infernix: flash never really works :)_ |
| 23:45.02 | infernix | SerajewelKS: difference of opinion. |
| 23:45.09 | land0 | it is not for me but a freind that has not internet right now |
| 23:45.12 | SerajewelKS | infernix: i don't see any obvious security benefit |
| 23:45.16 | infernix | abrotman: well, at least i can watch youtube vids |
| 23:45.18 | infernix | SerajewelKS: i can. |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | infernix: oh yeah .. more MXC for you! |
| 23:45.36 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | the mechiean that im on can do 240 bogomips |
| 23:45.43 | SerajewelKS | infernix: yes, rdns is a ton more secure than verifying the sshd key fingerprint... ? |
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| 23:45.53 | abrotman | nn-lowlevel-p1: MACHINE |
| 23:46.03 | land0 | freind/friend |
| 23:46.04 | infernix | SerajewelKS: keeping dns is a sane thing to do in most any case. |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | the schools in philly can't be that bad ... |
| 23:46.15 | infernix | s/keeping/maintaining/ |
| 23:46.18 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | sory abrotman |
| 23:46.36 | nn-lowlevel-p1 | bad a spelling |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | twice ? |
| 23:46.41 | wintix | maybe they are, abrotman ;) |
| 23:46.42 | SerajewelKS | infernix: shrug, to me it makes more sense that if i use an IP i know what i'm doing and i don't need ssh trying to be helpful or second-guessing me |
| 23:46.48 | land0 | So would i need like the first three disks or ....? |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | wintix: i work with kids from the suburbs .. they seem okay ... |
| 23:47.04 | infernix | SerajewelKS: as i said, difference of opinion |
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| 23:47.52 | coolzone | Hi all! Does anyone has any experience in setting up an afs server on debian? If yes, any recommendations for setup guidelines/tutorials? |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: just install samba on all your boxes .. problem solved :) |
| 23:49.25 | SerajewelKS | infernix: at any rate, rdns doesn't seem to be the problem according to wireshark |
| 23:49.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yup, who needs security anyway :) |
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| 23:50.02 | land0 | coolzone: try google--> howto: afs debian |
| 23:50.19 | wintix | land0: often used packages are likely to be on the first some cds. if you really want to be on the safe side, download 2 dvds. but i would say the first 4 or 5 cds should get you started. |
| 23:50.31 | coolzone | land0, thanks! |
| 23:50.35 | SerajewelKS | infernix: i see a "Server: Key Exchange Init" then the TCP ACK from the client |
| 23:50.38 | infernix | SerajewelKS: resolv.conf isnt pointing to localhost on either box? in any case, try adding something in /etc/hosts |
| 23:50.41 | land0 | np |
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| 23:50.47 | SerajewelKS | infernix: 10 seconds later i see a "Client: Key Exchange Init" |
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| 23:50.54 | SerajewelKS | infernix: the rdns is done before this all happens |
| 23:51.05 | SerajewelKS | infernix: so we are looking at the ssh client being a tool i guess |
| 23:51.22 | land0 | wintix: thank you for that reply |
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| 23:51.40 | infernix | SerajewelKS: maybe strace the client then |
| 23:51.54 | SerajewelKS | infernix: ah, nevermind... the rdns lookup happens and fails |
| 23:52.14 | SerajewelKS | infernix: so the client KEEPS TRYING like five times, the server telling it it doesn't know the host, before the client gives up |
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| 23:52.41 | SerajewelKS | infernix: tell me that's not retarded :) |
| 23:53.06 | land0 | well I am just going to go for it and then tell the whole world how many disks it takes to get to the gui goodness of debian. ;) |
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| 23:53.27 | wintix | land0: :) |
| 23:53.43 | land0 | that famous person once said..... |
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| 23:54.05 | land0 | give me freedom or kill my neighbor |
| 23:54.15 | SerajewelKS | infernix: i can do with one query, but why does the client keep trying after the dns server has told it that it doesn't have a reverse map? |
| 23:54.24 | land0 | did i get that right....?? ;) |
| 23:54.34 | infernix | SerajewelKS: not sure if thats ssh's fault, the recurring queries |
| 23:54.42 | SerajewelKS | infernix: hmm |
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