| 00:00.16 | jahshua | anyone here use Opera browser? just wondering if its still broken on Debian .. |
| 00:00.28 | Vasistha | jahshua: get 9.20 |
| 00:00.42 | Vasistha | jahshua: (it's fixed) |
| 00:00.52 | jahshua | ;okay |
| 00:00.54 | jahshua | 9.2 ? |
| 00:00.56 | jahshua | cool. |
| 00:01.13 | Vasistha | jahshua: may I recommend using opera's debian repository? It's great ;-) |
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| 00:01.59 | jahshua | cool, got a deb entry i can add? |
| 00:01.59 | jahshua | :) |
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| 00:02.38 | Vasistha | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ etch non-free |
| 00:02.48 | jahshua | great, thanks. |
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| 00:05.09 | iissmart | what is the difference between the "All files in one partition" and "Desktop machine" partitioning scheme? |
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| 00:07.15 | jahshua | Vasistha: what nice stuff do they have in the non-free section? |
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| 00:07.25 | Vasistha | jahshua: uhh, I think the only thing in the repo is opera ;-) |
| 00:07.52 | Vasistha | jahshua: well, you can choose between using statically or dynamically linked qt libs |
| 00:08.24 | Vasistha | iissmart: /, /home, swap -- from http://cacing.vlsm.org/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch06s03.html |
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| 00:13.26 | magyar | any news on linux-kbuild-2.6.20? |
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| 00:15.25 | abrotman | !tell Talisker about root |
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| 00:16.11 | Zoo | well I think that is cool... that really compiz + AIGLX really isn't hard to setup at all |
| 00:16.24 | Zoo | neat ^_^, didn't think so, as beryl wasn't hard to setup |
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| 00:17.35 | magyar | anyone here has a link for linux-kbuild-2.6.20? |
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| 00:18.34 | GiabboO | i need help |
| 00:18.43 | stew | magyar: http://packages.debian.org/linux-kbuild-2.6.20 |
| 00:18.44 | magyar | how can one work without kbuild? |
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| 00:18.55 | GiabboO | can anyone help me with bad fs superblock |
| 00:19.00 | GiabboO | because I think i have did something bad on my fs |
| 00:19.05 | stew | magyar: not built on all arches yet, but at least source and amd64 are available |
| 00:19.07 | GiabboO | trying to write lilo to /dev/md0 |
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| 00:19.33 | magyar | stew: as always you have once agan came to my emotional rescue |
| 00:19.53 | magyar | GiabboO: man makefs |
| 00:19.55 | stew | magyar: you should not get emotional about building kernels |
| 00:19.59 | GiabboO | wait magyar |
| 00:20.03 | stew | or the related modules |
| 00:20.04 | jpin | Hi, any hints on why kacpid is eating up my cpu all the time (my laptop is actually very slow because of this) -- acpid is loaded, processor+fan+thermal modules are loaded also |
| 00:20.06 | GiabboO | I did something |
| 00:20.13 | Vasistha | GiabboO: if you're concerned about your superblock, you probably shouldn't be writing anything to the drive; rather, you should be focussing all your attention on assessing the problem and grabbing one of the backup superblocks |
| 00:20.16 | GiabboO | now I cant access any of my file systems |
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| 00:20.25 | magyar | stew, kernel shmernel, it's my modules that count |
| 00:20.30 | GiabboO | how can I do Vasistha ? |
| 00:20.37 | GiabboO | my md0 start |
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| 00:20.47 | GiabboO | I am running the computer with systemrescue cd |
| 00:20.52 | GiabboO | so I can see the md0 |
| 00:20.57 | GiabboO | the /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdd1 |
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| 00:21.00 | GiabboO | but I cant access... |
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| 00:21.11 | magyar | GiabboO: mount it |
| 00:21.12 | GiabboO | when I do mount -t xfs it says bad superblockl |
| 00:21.25 | magyar | xfs? |
| 00:21.35 | GiabboO | yes |
| 00:21.37 | magyar | mount -a |
| 00:21.42 | GiabboO | whats that ? |
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| 00:22.16 | Vasistha | man mount will certainly be helpful in answering that question |
| 00:22.23 | tk_ | just out of curiosity, does anyone know how to make gnu screen capture mouse input from rxvt for curses apps that support it? |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | tk_: is that all ? |
| 00:23.14 | tk_ | what do you mean? |
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| 00:24.11 | GiabboO | I get a XFS: Bad magic number |
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| 00:25.30 | drivel | Hello,everybody |
| 00:25.54 | drivel | there's a err in my debian |
| 00:26.22 | drivel | when i install something,it shows |
| 00:26.24 | drivel | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 00:26.24 | drivel | LANGUAGE = "zh_CN:zh", |
| 00:26.24 | drivel | LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 00:26.24 | drivel | LANG = "zh_CN.UTF-8" |
| 00:26.24 | drivel | are supported and installed on your system. |
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| 00:26.32 | Miles_Prower | SERIOUS ISSUE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I AM RUNNING: DF shows: /dev/hda1 size:39144876 used:38291120 avail:0 Percent Used:100% Mount:/ |
| 00:26.41 | Miles_Prower | How do i find what's taking my disk space so much? |
| 00:26.51 | Vasistha | du |
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| 00:27.10 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: better yet, if you've got konqueror, use FSView |
| 00:27.14 | lupine_85 | rm -rf ~/.pr0n should do it |
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| 00:28.26 | lupine_85 | ;) |
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| 00:28.26 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: you still have free space |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: apt-get clean |
| 00:28.26 | drivel | how can i solve it? |
| 00:28.36 | Miles_Prower | http://tails.kicks-ass.net/upload/clean/magic_sonic.png/ |
| 00:28.41 | Miles_Prower | wrong paste |
| 00:28.44 | Miles_Prower | moment |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | no kidding ... |
| 00:28.50 | Miles_Prower | 17835984 . |
| 00:28.54 | Miles_Prower | is what du shows. |
| 00:28.58 | Miles_Prower | . is taking most the drive |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: . ? |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | you mean / ? |
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| 00:29.18 | Miles_Prower | I guess. |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | well .. "." is where you are currently .. where is that ? |
| 00:29.40 | Miles_Prower | I'm at / |
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| 00:29.56 | Zoo | back |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: so .. ls -l .. see what's there |
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| 00:30.49 | Miles_Prower | moment to pastebin |
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| 00:31.41 | Zoo | hey, has anyone configured tao-opengl on debian, or might be able to help |
| 00:31.41 | Miles_Prower | .. |
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| 00:31.45 | Miles_Prower | the pastebin is broken |
| 00:31.53 | Miles_Prower | a proxy error comes up |
| 00:32.07 | abrotman | pastebin.ca |
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| 00:32.11 | abrotman | or rafb.net |
| 00:32.19 | mustmr | debian installer fails to detect my network hardware |
| 00:32.20 | jahshua | how do you organise du to sort by file size? |
| 00:32.21 | mustmr | what can i do? |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know what's up with the channels.debian.org/paste ? |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | jahshua: | sort -n ? |
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| 00:32.43 | Miles_Prower | http://pastebin.ca/443811 <-- contents of / |
| 00:32.59 | asg | jahshua: du | sort -n |
| 00:33.04 | jahshua | thanks |
| 00:33.18 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: what command did you use ? |
| 00:34.01 | asg | abrotman: your mojo is weak? |
| 00:34.02 | Miles_Prower | ls -l |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: paste the contents of `df -h && ls | xargs du -sk` |
| 00:34.18 | abrotman | asg: i blame the dialup! |
| 00:34.33 | asg | abrotman: why are you on dialup? |
| 00:34.33 | dvs | abrotman: you're still on dialup? |
| 00:34.38 | abrotman | dvs: don't ask |
| 00:34.42 | dvs | why? |
| 00:34.55 | asg | abrotman: landlady still running vista on her new laptop? |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | if it's not resolved by this weekend .. i'll get my own |
| 00:35.00 | Zoo | theres alot you could do with $198,000 lol |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | no idea what's going on |
| 00:35.06 | cafuego | abrotman: how about 'du -sh *' ? |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | cafuego: that's just crazy talk |
| 00:35.22 | Zoo | some people just like to gamble on deal or no deal |
| 00:35.31 | cafuego | well, stuff you, AND your pipes! |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | i don't like -sh |
| 00:35.36 | dvs | Zoo: yeah, like meeting Howie. |
| 00:35.37 | drivel | anyone can help me please?I'm fresh to debian |
| 00:35.43 | Zoo | ah |
| 00:35.49 | Zoo | :) |
| 00:36.03 | cafuego | abrotman: the 'h' doesn't matter, I was kinda wondering about the 'ls | xargs' bit |
| 00:36.07 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: processing. looks like it's on the 551gb raid5, might take some time to index all the 336gb of data. |
| 00:36.11 | jahshua | whats up drivel? |
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| 00:36.13 | abrotman | cafuego: bad habit? |
| 00:36.22 | Zoo | she screwed up |
| 00:36.23 | Zoo | :P |
| 00:36.30 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:36.32 | abrotman | cafuego: i love xargs? :) |
| 00:36.33 | Zoo | case she picked, had $750,000 in it :P |
| 00:36.40 | drivel | jahshua, thankyou and my deiban's something wrong |
| 00:37.05 | jahshua | have you got more details than that, drivel? |
| 00:37.06 | Zoo | dang it, she didn't even use her head |
| 00:37.17 | Zoo | now the deal went down from $198,000 , to $60,000 |
| 00:37.27 | drivel | jahshua, i installed the debian and apt-get install something,but it shows E: Couldn't find package locales-bin |
| 00:37.33 | Zoo | she had the choices narrowed down, and options. gee, any of us, would of said deal |
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| 00:37.49 | abrotman | Zoo: do you have a debian quesiton ? |
| 00:38.01 | tk_ | does anyone know if it's possible to make screen pass mouse input through to curses apps when it's running in rxvt, or is it even possible? |
| 00:38.11 | tk_ | er |
| 00:38.11 | drivel | jahshua, and i install locales,it shows that not install glibc |
| 00:38.13 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/443813 |
| 00:38.33 | drivel | jahshua, when i wanna install glibc,it shows than can not install |
| 00:38.35 | dvs | drivel: known problem in sid |
| 00:38.53 | jahshua | drivel: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:38.59 | jahshua | are you on sid? |
| 00:39.02 | jahshua | oh gosh |
| 00:39.08 | dvs | yes? |
| 00:39.11 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: what is in /var/? did you try apt-get clean? cleaned up old logs? do you have pgsql/mysql on that box ? |
| 00:39.16 | abrotman | thingfish: hey |
| 00:39.17 | jahshua | yes yes? |
| 00:39.23 | thingfish | hey abrotman |
| 00:39.28 | drivel | jahshua, i'm using etch |
| 00:39.31 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: trying the clean now. no idea what's in var. |
| 00:39.38 | Zoo | yes, jahshua, and he can do this as well |
| 00:39.42 | drivel | dvs, how to solve it? |
| 00:39.44 | Zoo | cat /proc/version |
| 00:39.44 | jahshua | do what? |
| 00:39.45 | Zoo | :) |
| 00:39.47 | jahshua | oh |
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| 00:39.57 | Zoo | will tell you alot more :) |
| 00:40.04 | dvs | drivel: don't know. I don't run sid. |
| 00:40.05 | jahshua | indeed. |
| 00:40.15 | jahshua | drivel isn't running sid... |
| 00:40.24 | drivel | jahshua, sid? |
| 00:40.25 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: apt-get clean did very little. |
| 00:40.26 | dvs | jahshua: that problem isn't in etch |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: du -sh /var/log/ |
| 00:40.59 | Zoo | well, if anyone out there, ever configures tao-opengl in debian, plz let Zoo know :) |
| 00:41.00 | jahshua | dvs are you suggesting he is lying? |
| 00:41.03 | Miles_Prower | 1.2G /var/log |
| 00:41.16 | wintix | !tell zoo about anyone |
| 00:41.26 | drivel | jahshua, how to run sid? |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: holy shit .. what is in /root/ ? |
| 00:41.38 | dvs | jahshua: I have locales loaded in my etch no problems and people were on here the other day complaining about the same problem in etch |
| 00:41.50 | Zoo | lol wintix.. |
| 00:41.51 | dvs | in sid i mean |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: besides 17GB of stuff |
| 00:41.55 | Zoo | have you configured it yet? |
| 00:41.58 | asg | abrotman: root is the keeper of the pr0n |
| 00:42.11 | drivel | dvs, then you mean that's a bug? |
| 00:42.13 | Miles_Prower | there are some links to other folders, mostly on the RAID.. |
| 00:42.18 | Miles_Prower | and checking hidden files. |
| 00:42.21 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: /tmp/ has a pile of stuff too |
| 00:42.23 | dvs | drivel: in sid it is |
| 00:42.23 | Zoo | hee, I work with mixvibes dvs! :) |
| 00:42.33 | dvs | Zoo: ??? |
| 00:42.37 | Zoo | dvs, you remind me of my fav mixing soft :) |
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| 00:42.52 | drivel | dvs, but....what can i do now/ |
| 00:42.57 | Miles_Prower | cleared the /tmp/ |
| 00:43.16 | Miles_Prower | now looking at the /root/ |
| 00:43.25 | dvs | drivel: don't know. I didn't have the problem. |
| 00:43.26 | drivel | jahshua, do you have any suggestion? |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | cleared ? |
| 00:43.48 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:43.56 | wintix | :D, abrotman |
| 00:44.05 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: you're not using KDE, are you? |
| 00:44.08 | jahshua | drivel: im sorry i dont know how to help you, im sure someone here does though. |
| 00:44.12 | Miles_Prower | No. XFCE |
| 00:44.20 | jahshua | fluxbox ftw. |
| 00:44.40 | Vasistha | hmmm. I don't know any tool that's as good as konqueror's FSView :P |
| 00:44.46 | thingfish | does etch not come with mp3 decode support? |
| 00:44.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I've got to fix the pastebot; haven't had a chance to do so yet |
| 00:44.59 | Miles_Prower | I have konqueror |
| 00:45.01 | Miles_Prower | but not KDE. |
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| 00:45.09 | thingfish | I think I need to install something but I can't remember what it's called |
| 00:45.20 | dvs | thingfish: libtoolame |
| 00:45.21 | drivel | jahshua, I have installed twice,i'm wondering the apt sources server is... |
| 00:45.23 | dvs | I think |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 00:45.32 | dvs | That's what audacity needs anyways |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: so what's in /root/ ? |
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| 00:46.22 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: I answered that. 4 symlinks to folders on the RAID, and 1 empty folder labeled 'cdrom' |
| 00:46.35 | Miles_Prower | How do i find the size of the hidden folders? (starting in .) |
| 00:46.44 | Madd_Matt | Are most packages available for SPARC in debian? |
| 00:46.56 | Madd_Matt | I have a friend with an ultraSPARC III |
| 00:47.10 | wintix | Miles_Prower: du -sh .* |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: yes |
| 00:47.24 | asg | Madd_Matt: they should all be in, except for ones that are architecture specific. |
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| 00:48.08 | Miles_Prower | 16G .xsession-errors |
| 00:48.09 | weasel00 | i was running updates with apt when the conenction between me and the server was dropped, how can i regain control of that session? |
| 00:48.10 | Miles_Prower | uhoh |
| 00:48.25 | wintix | Miles_Prower: wow |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: now .. i'm not an expert .. but that seems bad |
| 00:48.43 | Miles_Prower | same here, first thing i saw it |
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| 00:48.48 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: cat /dev/null > /root/.xsession-errors ? |
| 00:49.01 | n000b | hi all |
| 00:49.01 | thingfish | wel...nm |
| 00:49.10 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: note: this system started back at I think potato. it's upgraded since. =P |
| 00:49.14 | thingfish | seems like it's playing after all :) |
| 00:49.14 | Guerin | hm ... what's considered a good gas milage rating? |
| 00:49.22 | Guerin | bah, ECHAN |
| 00:49.26 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: hehe |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | Guerin: for what kind of car? |
| 00:49.57 | Miles_Prower | abrotman: it's doing it, looks like it is tying up the hard drive though |
| 00:50.03 | Guerin | abrotman: just a general arbitrary `cars better than this are good and worse than this aren't' |
| 00:50.10 | Miles_Prower | done |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: i'm sure it is :) |
| 00:50.27 | Miles_Prower | 16k now |
| 00:50.28 | Miles_Prower | for that folder |
| 00:50.49 | Miles_Prower | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 00:50.49 | Miles_Prower | /dev/hda1 39144876 21122984 16033452 57% / |
| 00:50.57 | Miles_Prower | Yay! MUCH better. |
| 00:51.37 | Ankman | oO |
| 00:51.58 | jahshua | heh |
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| 00:52.39 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: you're going to have to keep an eye on that log |
| 00:52.46 | Natniet | s bind9 still the default in etch ? |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | instead of ? |
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| 00:53.47 | Natniet | just checking so i don't install old stuff ! |
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| 00:56.02 | wintix | heh |
| 00:56.57 | cafuego | oh sheesh, i casn't get that slow even if i run a tiny xen domU in vmware ;-) |
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| 00:57.25 | quarkhead | yo, good folks. i need help to get read/write access to my ntfs disks: now i can read them but no writing possible, this is my settings for "/dev/hda5 HPFS/NTFS" in fstab: /dev/hda5 /mnt/Dokumenter ntfs rw,user,auto,fmask=0007,dmask=0007,umask=0007,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
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| 00:58.01 | Zoo | if anyone gets time, maybe you can take a look at this for me.. http://pastebin.ca/443827 |
| 00:58.05 | Miles_Prower | PCMCIA -> CF adapter |
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| 00:58.33 | wintix | quarkhead: have a look at ntfs-3g |
| 00:58.51 | quarkhead | i think i have read all there is to read, but i dont get it :( |
| 00:59.14 | quarkhead | ok |
| 00:59.17 | quarkhead | tnx |
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| 00:59.38 | wintix | Zoo: get a driver which supports AIGLX. |
| 00:59.47 | Zoo | ah |
| 01:00.07 | Zoo | so my i810 isn't supporting that? thats weird.. because glx info seems to be okay |
| 01:00.32 | wintix | hmm |
| 01:00.34 | Zoo | and I configured beryl before.. and also.. I seen how my system worked with Xandros Home Premium, and Profesional 4.1 and even Mandriva Power Pack 2007 |
| 01:00.53 | Zoo | I'm doing that.. Debian Compiz + AIGLX now.. what abrotman posted to me |
| 01:01.04 | Zoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | i didn't post that to you |
| 01:01.30 | Zoo | is there an issue you think with debian, and are they using a community supported driver for the 915gml chipset? |
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| 01:01.48 | rourke | bonjour #debian Je suis rourk |
| 01:01.51 | wintix | maybe the people in #beryl can help you better with AIGLX related problems, Zoo |
| 01:01.54 | drivel | Zoo,how does beryl work with debian+gnome? |
| 01:02.15 | wintix | drivel: works quite well. |
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| 01:02.34 | Vasistha | !tell rourke -about fr |
| 01:03.08 | drivel | wintix, ha,good~!but my locales problem is more important |
| 01:03.11 | Miles_Prower | I'm looking at the debian listing here.. |
| 01:03.17 | Miles_Prower | who comes after lenny? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | they'll decide later |
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| 01:03.40 | wintix | Miles_Prower: for now, unstable |
| 01:03.49 | asg | abrotman: I think it'll be Grumpy Gonads |
| 01:03.51 | Miles_Prower | I think it should be the LGM's. |
| 01:03.52 | Miles_Prower | =P |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | asg: WHEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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| 01:04.33 | rourke | bonjour #debian Je suis rourk |
| 01:04.39 | wintix | !fr |
| 01:04.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:05.13 | Miles_Prower | je suis un petit renard! hehehe |
| 01:05.17 | mustmr | what should i do if debian fails to detect my network hardware? |
| 01:05.38 | Vasistha | mustmr: tell us what kind of network hardware you've got and we'll try to help you |
| 01:05.41 | wintix | mustmr: what card are you using? |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | !seen c|int |
| 01:05.48 | dpkg | c|int <n=zoo@adsl-75-23-102-192.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21h 55m 15s ago, saying: 'peace..'. |
| 01:06.00 | Zoo | haha so :) |
| 01:06.19 | Zoo | I can change my IP that isn'ta problem, why are you keeping stats? that make ya feel good ? |
| 01:06.27 | Zoo | yeah, I'm using my nickname, big deal, |
| 01:06.37 | Zoo | what the hell is your probem |
| 01:06.40 | roio | !seen rourke |
| 01:06.41 | dpkg | rourke is currently on #debian (2m 7s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2m 7s, last said: 'bonjour #debian Je suis rourk'. |
| 01:06.57 | mustmr | i'm using a motherboard with a sis 630/730 chip |
| 01:07.05 | mustmr | it controls VGA, sound and ethernet adapter |
| 01:07.24 | mustmr | and i'm trying to install debian etch 4.0r0 |
| 01:07.41 | wintix | mustmr: check that the nic is activated in the bios. sis cards should be supported. |
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| 01:08.13 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 01:08.25 | mustmr | wintix, it is; i was using arch linux and was trying debian for the first time |
| 01:08.26 | pppoe_dude | how many debian CDs do i need for a basic gnome installation? |
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| 01:08.40 | roio | !help |
| 01:08.49 | mustmr | it hanged at configuring package manager, so i ran expert install to figure ou what was going |
| 01:08.54 | Zoo_ | see how easily dynamic lines can be |
| 01:08.55 | asg | roio: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:08.58 | mustmr | and it couldn't detect my network hardware |
| 01:09.12 | Zoo_ | to go from 75-23-102-192 to 75.23.77.29 |
| 01:09.27 | Zoo_ | or anything I want at any given time, and your point is ... whoever msg dpkg |
| 01:09.34 | Vasistha | pppoe_dude: there's a CD #1 that includes gnome, you'll probably want that one. In fact, that might be the default CD #1 |
| 01:09.37 | Zoo_ | get a li e:) |
| 01:09.38 | abrotman | must have been under the dave matthews bus ... |
| 01:09.38 | Zoo_ | life* |
| 01:09.43 | quarkhead | cant find ntfs-3g with apt-get, anyone got a location for me? |
| 01:09.50 | roio | !help |
| 01:10.06 | abrotman | quarkhead: it's not there IIRC .. i believe you have to make it yourself |
| 01:10.06 | asg | roio: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:10.15 | roio | sorry |
| 01:10.33 | Zoo_ | I"de like to know whats up with this |
| 01:10.34 | Zoo_ | <dpkg> c|int <n=zoo@adsl-75-23-102-192.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21h 55m 15s ago, saying: 'peace..'. |
| 01:10.35 | pppoe_dude | Vasistha, thnx |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | get a life |
| 01:11.05 | Zoo_ | um yeah... I saing peace, have good 1, havn'nt you heard of that before? |
| 01:11.28 | quarkhead | ok |
| 01:11.48 | Zoo_ | from my carrier, the variable range a customer could have is , 4.3 billion variable Internet Protocol range |
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| 01:12.08 | Zoo_ | why don't you just call them up for yourself, I'll give you he DSL tech level 2 number |
| 01:12.10 | Zoo_ | how about that.. ? |
| 01:12.10 | xerophyte | I set up the time for my server, when i reboot the server time changes, how can i change time which stays? |
| 01:12.12 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:12.17 | Vasistha | Zoo, Zoo_: can you quit with the non-debian-related drivel? |
| 01:12.23 | asg | Zoo_: we don't care |
| 01:12.36 | Vasistha | drivel: sorry :P |
| 01:12.39 | Zoo_ | nah, looks like someone was starting something, it wasn't me.. thanks very much |
| 01:12.55 | Zoo_ | so they can quit with the non-debian related stuff :) |
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| 01:12.57 | Vasistha | xerophyte: tzconfig |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | it's been going on since this afternoon .... |
| 01:13.13 | drivel | Vasistha, ^_^ |
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| 01:13.20 | Azar | honorables: when Debian boots a package you should be sure that the owner of that package is assing up and that's the reason the package goes |
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| 01:13.31 | Azar | stoned!! :) |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | Azar: huh ? |
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| 01:13.42 | stoned | hello people of the debian |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | assing up ? |
| 01:13.51 | stoned | man that old guy last night was the bomb |
| 01:13.54 | stoned | Jay I think |
| 01:13.58 | stoned | brilliant man |
| 01:14.00 | Azar | abrotman I refer to "cdrecord" and now to SQL-Ledger |
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| 01:14.09 | Vasistha | abrotman: ahh... I see... started right after I left :P |
| 01:14.12 | stoned | Azar whats up homie dude man bro dog holmes |
| 01:14.13 | abrotman | Azar: you're going to have to be more specific |
| 01:14.31 | stoned | rahul |
| 01:14.33 | Azar | abrotman read this: http://www.purple.dropbear.id.au/sql-ledger-license-changed-no-longer-gpl-when-gpl-software-goes-bad/ |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | i read it .. |
| 01:14.39 | Azar | stoned I missed you baby |
| 01:14.39 | rahul | yo |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | but your question makes no sense |
| 01:14.48 | rahul | yeah, it was Jay Sultzberger |
| 01:14.56 | stoned | ahh that was him |
| 01:15.00 | rahul | er, no t |
| 01:15.07 | Azar | abrotman: assing up meaning futzing with the GPL |
| 01:15.16 | stoned | I got a few emails from him from the nyc debian soc mailing list |
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| 01:15.19 | abrotman | it does? |
| 01:15.26 | stoned | rahul did you get wasted last night? |
| 01:15.27 | Azar | stoned: where are you now? |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | Azar: what's your real question ? in english |
| 01:15.32 | dafen | dell power edge 1950 server crashes every 15 days |
| 01:15.32 | stoned | new york |
| 01:15.35 | rahul | stoned: no, just had that one beer |
| 01:15.41 | dafen | with debian 2.6.18-9 I guess |
| 01:15.42 | Azar | abrotman: was not a question... |
| 01:15.46 | dafen | sorry I meant the kernel |
| 01:15.47 | jahshua | anyone here use ircII ? |
| 01:15.49 | dafen | kernel version |
| 01:15.50 | stoned | rahul umm you had a mixed drink before that |
| 01:15.52 | stoned | liar |
| 01:15.52 | jahshua | or know how to use it.. |
| 01:15.52 | stoned | :) |
| 01:15.53 | jahshua | heh |
| 01:15.59 | rahul | stoned: nope |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | Azar: okay .. then your statement doesn't make sense either |
| 01:16.08 | stoned | hey! man |
| 01:16.09 | dafen | is there any issue regarding the crashing thing? |
| 01:16.10 | stoned | ow |
| 01:16.16 | stoned | dafen yes, its Dell |
| 01:16.26 | Azar | abrotman: someone asked last night why Etch replaced cdrecord.. |
| 01:16.30 | wintix | jahshua: use irssi :) |
| 01:16.34 | jahshua | i do! |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | because schilling is an ass and a moron |
| 01:16.42 | Azar | stoned where are you? |
| 01:16.44 | jahshua | i want to use ircII for a specific reason. |
| 01:16.47 | stoned | I used to defend dell cuz I worked for em last year, but I mean c'mon. You'll see the truth of it, dell products are usually crap |
| 01:16.48 | Azar | yessss he is, abrotman |
| 01:16.56 | stoned | Azar ny |
| 01:16.58 | jahshua | just need to know how to set my real/host name.. |
| 01:17.01 | rahul | stoned: I bought that beer and that's it. but it was a large, strong beer |
| 01:17.04 | Azar | stoned: ew, snow, cold.. |
| 01:17.08 | stoned | indeed |
| 01:17.10 | rahul | just like something in mah pants! |
| 01:17.10 | dd102db1890522d3 | ...runnig etch on a amd64 box , trying to make vmware-server-console work but it keeps complaining that it's missing libX11.so.6 ... thing is the file exist , just the 64 bit version... n e one have a clue how to co-install the i386 pkg without braking the 64 bit pkg ? |
| 01:17.11 | stoned | no snow though |
| 01:17.17 | pppoe_dude | how fast should i expect the etch torrents to eventually be? |
| 01:17.28 | jahshua | tao@bell-labs.planetlucent.com ... how do i set the 'tao' part in ircII ? |
| 01:17.45 | stoned | does there exist #ircii? |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: depends on the time of day from what i can tell |
| 01:17.49 | Azar | hehe didya read the article about the most annoying tech? |
| 01:17.58 | stoned | Azar nah, linkit |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | dd102db1890522d3: ia32-libs or something like that |
| 01:18.08 | jahshua | abrotman: no. :( |
| 01:18.14 | Azar | stoned: is /.-ed |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | jahshua: ? |
| 01:18.24 | stoned | ? |
| 01:18.31 | Azar | slashdotted, man |
| 01:18.33 | jahshua | there is no #ircii |
| 01:18.33 | stoned | oh |
| 01:18.34 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, its been at 80kb/s for a while now |
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| 01:18.49 | pppoe_dude | i was wondering if it would be faster to just grab it from the servers |
| 01:18.55 | abrotman | and doesn't BT depend on your upload ratio or something silly ? |
| 01:19.17 | pppoe_dude | but i guess might as well join the torrent |
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| 01:19.45 | quarkhead | so im noooooooob, but what the heck shall i do with the downloaded ntfs-3g.deb file. how do i install this thing :-/ |
| 01:19.59 | jahshua | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 01:19.59 | Azar | abrotman: Dieter Simader has chosen to re-license the software under a new, bespoke license referred to as the "SQL-Ledger Open Source License", does not tell its users about it, and it seems to do it retroactively too :) now how can we spell moron? |
| 01:20.05 | stoned | aol on top, why does that not surprise me. One time, I glued aol cds all over my car, left no spot uncovered it was awesome looking |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. what does that have to do with debian ? |
| 01:21.23 | Vasistha | Azar: thanks for that article on sql-ledger; interesting stuff |
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| 01:21.41 | dd102db1890522d3 | abrotman: ... u mean ia64... ? but ne way it still leaves me with the problem that installing breaks the pkg i've got ... |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:21.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:21.54 | wintix | !tell dd102db1890522d3 about ne1 |
| 01:21.59 | Azar | abrotman: it used to be in GPLv2 and Debian used to use it.... |
| 01:22.03 | abrotman | it's called ia32-libs or something like that .. apt-cache search ia32 |
| 01:22.06 | quarkhead | ah OK tnx ;@} |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | Azar: i doubt it's been removed yet |
| 01:22.17 | rahul | !nickometer dd102db1890522d3 |
| 01:22.19 | dpkg | 'dd102db1890522d3' is 97.160% lame, rahul |
| 01:22.20 | Azar | ... and if there is any debianized fork on it... |
| 01:22.26 | Azar | omg it should |
| 01:22.27 | jsubl2 | dd102db1890522d3, i think i had to get ia32-libs-gtk from packages.debian.org |
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| 01:22.29 | rahul | wow, more than I would have expected |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | rahul: no shift characters |
| 01:22.45 | stoned | rahul dude... tsk tak |
| 01:23.00 | rahul | abrotman: yeah, didn't think the digits would have bumped it up that much |
| 01:23.11 | Azar | abrotman: if debian still use it, it should remove it, if you read that article, the guy wants to re-licence "retroactively" |
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| 01:23.24 | abrotman | rahul: anything non-alpha .. but @#@*)(*)( make it worse |
| 01:23.27 | abrotman | or higher |
| 01:23.30 | rahul | yeah |
| 01:23.31 | muszek | hi |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | Azar: he can't do that |
| 01:23.40 | zenbum | who's the all-time nickometer champion? |
| 01:23.43 | muszek | silly question: how do I know which MPM my Apache uses? I'm using Apache 2.0.54 on Sarge |
| 01:23.45 | stoned | I is |
| 01:23.46 | Azar | abrotman: theoretically no. |
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| 01:23.50 | stoned | 0% lame |
| 01:23.57 | stoned | or wait, the other way around? |
| 01:24.00 | Vasistha | Azar: I can't imagine a retroactive re-licensing could possibly stand in court |
| 01:24.04 | Azar | stoned: so how many states have you visited, gipsy you |
| 01:24.20 | stoned | dude man I been all over man I'm going to cali in a few months to party wid ya |
| 01:24.31 | Azar | Vasistha: yes, indeed but it shows the character nature of the guy |
| 01:24.33 | Vasistha | Azar: especially since other people legally forked the project under the old license |
| 01:24.56 | Azar | Vasistha: read the article, dunno if you laugh or not |
| 01:24.56 | zenbum | stoned: you didn't hear about the new law?... partying is now illegal in california |
| 01:25.13 | Azar | zenbum: what? noooo please no |
| 01:25.36 | Azar | im gonna see Pamela Anderson today... in flesh and bones |
| 01:25.39 | stoned | zenbum well then californians are stupid. laws are made by a 2/3rds majority no? people are mostly stupid, what they don't realize is that, if a law is stupid, then don't have it. |
| 01:25.39 | zenbum | disneyland has been shut down |
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| 01:25.50 | Azar | zenbum: why? |
| 01:25.58 | zenbum | too much frivolity |
| 01:26.09 | Vasistha | Azar: I read it -- it was interesting, although honestly I can't imagine that anything particularly significant will come of it, except perhaps the downfall of that company... if that's even significant ;-) |
| 01:26.28 | Azar | mikeymouse had a warderobe defection? |
| 01:26.30 | stoned | !etch |
| 01:26.30 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 01:26.37 | rahul | Azar: flesh? don't you mean silicone? |
| 01:26.48 | Azar | way thank you stoned, such a friend.. |
| 01:26.56 | stoned | anytime sir, anytime |
| 01:26.57 | stoned | :) |
| 01:26.57 | zenbum | Azar: pam anderson -- flesh, bones, and various kinds of plastic |
| 01:27.13 | stoned | zenbum this is inappropriate for #debian |
| 01:27.19 | stoned | kindly take it to offtopic |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 01:27.29 | stoned | !ot |
| 01:27.30 | dpkg | ot is probably Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 01:27.31 | Azar | stoned: please appropriate it appropriately |
| 01:27.34 | rahul | lack of party is definitely inapprorpiate for here |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | you started it |
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| 01:27.47 | stoned | abrotman about tits? no way |
| 01:27.48 | stoned | read up |
| 01:27.52 | rahul | he talked about party, not lack of party |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | you started about partying |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | which is also OT |
| 01:28.01 | stoned | no zenbum did |
| 01:28.07 | Azar | I want an Etch Birthday party |
| 01:28.10 | stoned | anyway... |
| 01:28.14 | zenbum | stoned: I never said "tits"... get off your high horse |
| 01:28.17 | rahul | Azar: we had an etch cake last night |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | <stoned> dude man I been all over man I'm going to cali in a few months to party wid ya |
| 01:28.31 | Azar | ah, must been good |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | thanks ... |
| 01:28.48 | Azar | :D you do!!! how nice |
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| 01:29.08 | Azar | pssshhh mfrisch is here |
| 01:29.17 | mfrisch | Azar: hey! |
| 01:29.35 | Azar | mfrisch: that was for stoned to get dressed |
| 01:29.39 | Azar | :) |
| 01:29.43 | mfrisch | ;-) |
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| 01:32.26 | xerophyte | rdate: timeout for time.nist.gov does anybody know any good time server i can sync with ? |
| 01:32.27 | zenbum | speaking of newborns, I think I just felt Lenny kick |
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| 01:32.49 | abrotman | xerophyte: use pool.ntp.org like you're supposed to |
| 01:33.02 | mfrisch | abrotman: for rdate? |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | for ntp ? |
| 01:33.32 | rahul | rdate? *boggle* |
| 01:33.42 | rahul | why would anyone use rdate? |
| 01:33.46 | dd102db1890522d3 | jsubl2: 10xs ... ia32-lib made it work ... |
| 01:34.08 | mfrisch | rahul: I thought it was dated. |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | i said that!!! |
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| 01:34.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:34.25 | rahul | !penixstrike mfrisch |
| 01:34.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mfrisch to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:34.44 | dalias | wtf is a 'penix' |
| 01:34.46 | mfrisch | damn I just came here and this! |
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| 01:34.49 | jsubl2 | dd102db1890522d3, good |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | dalias: used to be a regular |
| 01:35.15 | goingtomoonbrb | !penix |
| 01:35.16 | dpkg | well, penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a US Marine |
| 01:35.25 | jsubl2 | dd102db1890522d3, maybe it was googleearth that required the other.. don't remember |
| 01:35.42 | goingtomoonbrb | Hmm. |
| 01:35.50 | goingtomoonbrb | Who writes dpkg's script anyway |
| 01:35.54 | zenbum | "a Theo-loving hippy"... that's rather humorous |
| 01:35.56 | goingtomoonbrb | it disturbs me |
| 01:35.58 | goingtomoonbrb | !dpkg |
| 01:35.58 | dpkg | dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files). |
| 01:36.01 | asg | goingtomoonbrb: those of use who have been here a long time |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: msg the bot |
| 01:36.07 | asg | !factinfo penix |
| 01:36.07 | dpkg | penix -- last modified at Tue Jun 17 13:20:29 2003 by Penix!~wenas@crackwhore.v6.gamp.cafuego.net; it has been requested 63 times, last by goingtomoonbrb, 52s ago. |
| 01:36.14 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: sorry :P |
| 01:36.19 | dalias | wtf? hippies don't love theo... |
| 01:36.47 | zenbum | dalias: aren't many BSDers old hippies? |
| 01:37.35 | dalias | i thought bsd folks were [former-]blackhats, security 'professionals', hosting providers, etc. |
| 01:37.43 | dalias | whereas gnu folks were grungy hippies |
| 01:37.46 | dalias | but maybe the tables have turned |
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| 01:37.54 | rahul | penix is all of the above |
| 01:38.00 | asg | and then some |
| 01:38.03 | dalias | lol |
| 01:38.05 | zenbum | dalias: lots of ponytails in the BSD world |
| 01:38.05 | rahul | exactly |
| 01:38.43 | abrotman | wintix: die ? |
| 01:38.52 | wintix | abrotman: i was just wondering. |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | what time it was ? |
| 01:39.08 | wintix | abrotman: what your local time is. |
| 01:39.08 | zenbum | but you do have a point... nobody loves Theo... some people manage to tolerate him |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | wintix: ask .. i'll tell you |
| 01:39.39 | quarkhead | pakker i konflikt - installerer ikke libfuse2 / packets in confllict - not installing libfuse2 What do i do??? |
| 01:39.40 | wintix | abrotman: well. ctcp was kind of faster? |
| 01:40.16 | abrotman | wintix: i hope you get hit by a bus |
| 01:40.22 | asg | abrotman: how's your colon? Oh, instead of asking, I'll stick my fist in and feel around |
| 01:40.35 | Azar | haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha |
| 01:41.33 | aubade | It's possible for xserver to support more than one cusor, right? |
| 01:41.59 | liable | thats a terrible thing to hear in the morning |
| 01:42.08 | liable | well, read.. |
| 01:42.10 | asg | liable: have another beer, it'll be all right |
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| 01:42.23 | wintix | abrotman: you are in a bitchy mood, hm? i didn't want to intrude your privacy but thought aksing for your local time would be ot. and after all you could disable ctcp replys if you don't like it. |
| 01:42.42 | liable | asg: no beers before lunch. coffees and cigarettes for breaky |
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| 01:43.05 | abrotman | wintix: you're in the damn OT channel with me! |
| 01:43.05 | asg | liable: one or two beers is fine |
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| 01:43.21 | zenbum | wintix: unsolicited ctcp is considered rude |
| 01:43.27 | wintix | abrotman: well. yes. you have a point. |
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| 01:44.14 | DaveLib | hello i am running testing but this is a more general question |
| 01:44.24 | wintix | DaveLib: well. ask it :) |
| 01:44.36 | zenbum | actually, that was a more general statement |
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| 01:44.40 | DaveLib | i did programming some years ago and used Fortran and C and C++ |
| 01:44.44 | gpm | zenbum: nice |
| 01:44.52 | DaveLib | now i have been away from that for some time |
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| 01:45.00 | zenbum | *yawn* |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | !tell ubd about root |
| 01:45.18 | zenbum | surely there's a question coming eventually |
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| 01:45.30 | quarkhead | dpkg gives: packets in confllict - not installing libfuse2 how do i resolve??? |
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| 01:45.39 | gpm | apt-get install gcc g++ g77 |
| 01:45.41 | gpm | ?? |
| 01:45.50 | DaveLib | but i wanted to do some simple scripts in debian to interactively dialogue with me and collect some data calculate some statiics and give me reports back |
| 01:45.53 | asg | or build-essential |
| 01:46.02 | gpm | good call |
| 01:46.03 | DaveLib | so i am wondering which lanaguae to learn as best |
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| 01:46.09 | gpm | aha |
| 01:46.10 | DaveLib | i was thinking maybe perl |
| 01:46.11 | hatter | someone know what this means : Message from syslogd@fileserver at Tue Apr 17 01:27:03 2007 ... |
| 01:46.12 | hatter | fileserver kernel: ] sys_read+0x3c/0x63 |
| 01:46.21 | gpm | perl's good. python's also a popular choice these days |
| 01:46.25 | Azar | hmmm abrotman, have you read " A Debian developer's thoughts on the state of Debian " ? |
| 01:46.29 | zenbum | debian has no scripting capabilities... you need ubuntu for that |
| 01:46.33 | DaveLib | everyth\one keeps talking now about ruby and python |
| 01:46.35 | stoned | python? |
| 01:46.39 | stoned | monty python. |
| 01:46.44 | Azar | :) |
| 01:46.47 | stoned | :D |
| 01:46.52 | gpm | a bunch of jokers in here tonight |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | Azar: who wrote it ? |
| 01:47.07 | Ronin | no scripting capabilities? wow im more drunk then i thought |
| 01:47.11 | stoned | hey, you're a general purpose mouse, should you even be talking |
| 01:47.12 | Azar | we celebrate stone's return to the irc |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | DaveLib: depends what you want to accomplish |
| 01:47.19 | DaveLib | perl is still good for simple interactive scripts? |
| 01:47.30 | quarkhead | im trying to install libfuse2_2.6.3-3_i386.deb but: dpkg gives: packets in confllict - not installing libfuse2 how do i resolve??? |
| 01:47.42 | Azar | abrotman: open letter from Debian Developer Thaddeus H. Black. |
| 01:47.45 | gpm | hey, i'm not trying to be serious |
| 01:47.46 | dafen | linux-image-vserver-amd64 | linux-image_amd64? |
| 01:47.51 | dafen | is there any difference?! |
| 01:47.55 | DaveLib | a running program to accept input from me store data in an ongoing file update statitics about it it computes and prints out |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | Azar: i think it's old |
| 01:48.00 | stoned | gpm neither am I |
| 01:48.03 | dafen | or linux-image-xen-amd64? |
| 01:48.04 | gpm | DaveLib: sure |
| 01:48.06 | DaveLib | not a very big program |
| 01:48.16 | gpm | stoned: i never doubted |
| 01:48.18 | Azar | abrotman: is just comments on it at LWN |
| 01:48.30 | DaveLib | so perl? |
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| 01:48.45 | gpm | should be fine |
| 01:48.51 | DaveLib | ok |
| 01:48.56 | gpm | you'll learn to love it |
| 01:49.05 | abrotman | Azar: but it's old .. right ? |
| 01:49.07 | zenbum | DaveLib: most languages would be fine but wouldn't just a spreadsheet be adequate? |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | or hate it :) |
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| 01:49.15 | DaveLib | people are saying for more serious scriptinfg perkl seems to be falling out of favour against ruby and python |
| 01:49.27 | gpm | abrotman: awww, you hate it? |
| 01:49.38 | Azar | abrotman: hehe To: Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols / From: Thaddeus H. Black April 16 2007 |
| 01:49.50 | ubd | abrotman: i did "badblocks /dev/hdc" but i do not see any percentage |
| 01:49.52 | DaveLib | btw i just want a terxt based cosole program not gui |
| 01:50.22 | Azar | be man, write C |
| 01:50.22 | quarkhead | i got it ;@} |
| 01:50.25 | zenbum | DaveLib: pick a new language you want to learn... python is very popular these days |
| 01:50.25 | DaveLib | zenblum what would be good spreasdsheets to try? |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | ubd: ah .. i've not used it in a very long time |
| 01:50.37 | DaveLib | python over perl? |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | gpm: no .. but i avoid it when i can :) |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | Azar: ah .. guess not |
| 01:50.58 | Azar | abrotman: hot from the oven |
| 01:51.01 | DaveLib | i wrote C before i though a scripting language would be siompler |
| 01:51.04 | zenbum | DaveLib: personally, I hate perl... but if you like it, that's great |
| 01:51.06 | Azar | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3656387562.html |
| 01:51.06 | ubd | abrotman: will it mark the bad sectors?, not for just info right? |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 01:51.20 | gpm | abrotman: it's not so much the perl as regexes that always get me. i can't live with 'em and can't live without 'em |
| 01:51.29 | DaveLib | i dont know i havent doen much with any of the new-fangles :) loanguages |
| 01:51.32 | asg | gpm: man perlre |
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| 01:51.42 | Azar | how about english? |
| 01:52.17 | Azar | I can script pretty well in english |
| 01:52.20 | DaveLib | i dont know enough about the languages to ghave an opinion of them |
| 01:52.21 | gpm | asg: yes, i know |
| 01:53.03 | DaveLib | my program wont need to use regular expressions the logic of it is simple |
| 01:53.28 | Azar | I use super expressions like: unf unf stoned! |
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| 01:54.06 | trend | what is the rsync switch to only transfer updated/new data? |
| 01:54.52 | stoned | hate is a strong word |
| 01:55.08 | gpm | hence the name change? |
| 01:55.18 | gpm | that would be cute |
| 01:55.32 | dalias | :) |
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| 01:55.59 | stoned | i can't wait to unpack my computers. 3 machines "need" to be updated to etch |
| 01:56.05 | zenbum | Azar: good article... are you the author? |
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| 01:57.31 | liable | trend: i didnt think you needed a switch for that |
| 01:58.02 | liable | exceot the linuxwatch guy is a wanker |
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| 01:59.33 | Azar | zenbum: uh I wish... read the FROM and you will see who wrote it |
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| 01:59.46 | stoned | liable what he does with his body/hand is his business |
| 01:59.58 | stoned | that has nothing to do with his article on debian |
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| 02:00.17 | liable | !bitchslap stoned |
| 02:00.22 | stoned | :D hehehe |
| 02:00.52 | hatter | why do log files in syslog move to 'messages.0' before moving to 'messages.gz' ? |
| 02:00.56 | zenbum | Azar: I thought maybe you were him |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | hatter: logrotate |
| 02:01.32 | Insolit | what does depmod -a do? |
| 02:02.09 | ubd | how do i terminate a program running in terminal? |
| 02:02.09 | rahul | hatter: because that's how you have logrotate configed |
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| 02:02.09 | abrotman | Insolit: man depmod ? |
| 02:02.10 | hatter | its the default behaviour for etch then ? |
| 02:02.10 | Insolit | right |
| 02:02.10 | Insolit | :P |
| 02:02.24 | Insolit | what tells the system to reload all loaded libraries? |
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| 02:02.38 | Insolit | is there a command like this? |
| 02:02.40 | asg | Insolit: reboot |
| 02:02.44 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:02.47 | wintix | heh |
| 02:02.48 | Insolit | besides that :P |
| 02:02.57 | asg | Insolit: shutdown -r |
| 02:02.58 | PumpkinPie | anyone else own/operate a riverstone? |
| 02:03.06 | Insolit | lol |
| 02:03.18 | PumpkinPie | someone is already laughing |
| 02:03.26 | asg | Insolit: you can restart whatever programs/daemons are using an old library |
| 02:03.27 | PumpkinPie | :\ |
| 02:03.42 | Azar | stoned: I thought you were running Etch since it was on testing |
| 02:03.59 | Insolit | ok asg |
| 02:04.17 | stoned | Azar, no, never use testing as a principal. Stable for my servers and Sid for my main/media desktop. |
| 02:04.25 | Azar | zenbum: if you like to read the comments on the story: http://lwn.net/Articles/230667/ |
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| 02:05.39 | Azar | speaking of media stuff... (which I rarely use.. if ever) Adobe flash is to implement forced ads :) |
| 02:05.43 | zenbum | Azar: thanks... I hadn't gotten my daily fix of LWN yet :) |
| 02:05.44 | asg | Azar: another good reason not to use it. |
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| 02:06.37 | stoned | "I, for example, find it more than almost stupid beyond my powers of description that Debian's free software political correctness has them renaming Firefox to IceWeasel, Thunderbird to Icedove, and Seamonkey to Iceape" |
| 02:07.01 | stoned | wow, I am never not surprised by the stupidity of people |
| 02:07.03 | stoned | geez |
| 02:07.05 | lontra | why does pbuilder try to upgrade my packages? and it added a mirror from jp which isn't in my sources.list? |
| 02:07.26 | stoned | are they just out there to bash debian? |
| 02:07.31 | dondelelcaro | trend: --partial |
| 02:07.31 | stoned | cuz I don't see another motive/reason |
| 02:07.35 | smacnay | Is there an addressbook for icedove? |
| 02:07.47 | smacnay | or some backend to an address book? |
| 02:08.02 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: I'm pretty sure there is |
| 02:08.45 | dondelelcaro | lontra: pbuilder doesn't have anything to do with upgrading your packages, and the mirrors it chooses are based on it's configuration file. |
| 02:08.51 | trend | dondelelcaro i just did -ruv |
| 02:08.57 | trend | will that be just as fine? |
| 02:09.07 | lontra | dondelelcaro: what if there isn't a configuration file? |
| 02:09.15 | jsubl2 | must be icebook |
| 02:09.22 | stoned | I think the best thing ever happened was DFSG, but maybe thats just me |
| 02:09.25 | dondelelcaro | lontra: uh... there is a configuration file in /etc/pbuilderrc |
| 02:09.27 | trend | r = recursive.. u = update.. v verbose.. uhrm.. as you prob know ha |
| 02:09.36 | stoned | well, after fsf I suppose |
| 02:09.40 | lontra | dondelelcaro: ok ... so that's where it's looking then |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | stoned: don't you use windows and the binary nvidia drivers for your linux box ? |
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| 02:09.49 | dondelelcaro | trend: if you just want files which are newer from the remote, then yes, that's fine. |
| 02:10.11 | stoned | abrotman sure, when I game on linux and need 3d, and when I need to play games only playable on windows. |
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| 02:10.26 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:10.38 | pythonic | games suck |
| 02:10.45 | lontra | dondelelcaro: how can i tell pbuilder to use packages in testing instead of sid? |
| 02:10.46 | trend | dondelelcaro cool, thanks my friend |
| 02:10.50 | stoned | other than games, I never used nonfree software, or at least try not to |
| 02:10.55 | dondelelcaro | lontra: by setting DIST appropriately |
| 02:10.56 | stoned | s/used/use |
| 02:11.08 | lontra | dondelelcaro: when i run pbuilder build foo.dsc it was trying to upgrade my whole distro to sid |
| 02:11.15 | dondelelcaro | lontra: no, it wasn't |
| 02:11.28 | lontra | dondelelcaro: i swear it was |
| 02:11.28 | pythonic | stoned: you are not far from the kingdom of heaven! |
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| 02:11.45 | quarkhead | hellooo again, i installed ntfs-3g how do i get this to work. still cant write to ntfs disks |
| 02:11.45 | lontra | dondelelcaro: why did it need to d/l 800 mb of stuff? |
| 02:11.46 | dondelelcaro | lontra: you're confusing it downloading packages into the chroot with downloading packages to / |
| 02:12.01 | dondelelcaro | lontra: 'cause it needed those packages in the chroot |
| 02:12.04 | lontra | dondelelcaro: oh ... is it ok to d/l them into the chroot? |
| 02:12.12 | lontra | dondelelcaro: that won't bork my system? |
| 02:12.23 | dondelelcaro | lontra: it doesn't touch your system, so yes, it's ok. |
| 02:12.27 | stoned | pythonic actually my gaming interest has died out. I am currently trying to maintain this game called Secret Maryo Chronicles. Consult /msg dpkg SMC for it. I have yet not had a sponsor but soon as I get settled in I plan on maintining a few oss games under debian |
| 02:12.31 | stoned | soon I hope too |
| 02:12.33 | dondelelcaro | (this is why you use pbuilder) |
| 02:12.55 | lontra | dondelelcaro: phew ... i thought it was ok. so will it clean up the chroot after too? |
| 02:13.04 | dondelelcaro | lontra: it just deletes it |
| 02:13.05 | stoned | I have built unofficial binarie debs for some games for people |
| 02:13.05 | Insolit | quarkhead: you probable need to define permissions |
| 02:13.09 | pythonic | with a name like secret maryo chronicles that game is sure to take off! |
| 02:13.09 | Vasistha | stoned: similar to nintendo's classic SMB? |
| 02:13.17 | Azar | stoned: man, in a final they admit that is not the renaming of Firefox what upsets some of them but the new name" weasel" it seems not politically correct hehe |
| 02:13.21 | stoned | Vasistha absolutely |
| 02:13.22 | Vasistha | stoned: ah, the web site makes it clear that indeed it is |
| 02:13.25 | stoned | Vasistha and with an editor |
| 02:13.26 | stoned | :) |
| 02:13.35 | Vasistha | stoned: awesome, those are some of the best games, ever |
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| 02:13.40 | lontra | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 02:13.42 | Insolit | stoned: are u trying to maintain that game? i'd just love to be able to install that game |
| 02:13.46 | Insolit | but can't :( |
| 02:13.49 | dondelelcaro | Azar: what's stupid is that it was picked because of the simpsons episode and because the animal was amusing, not to be denigrating |
| 02:13.55 | lontra | dondelelcaro: i built my first package today that i'm hoping might be able to be sponsored :D |
| 02:14.00 | Insolit | i always get problems building it |
| 02:14.06 | pythonic | Azar: it could be worse: "firefucker" |
| 02:14.09 | stoned | Insolit yeh, I haave to unpack my computers and just get settled in. I recently moved. Gimme time and you'll have it :) |
| 02:14.15 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ignorants I bet they never seen Toy Story either |
| 02:14.29 | Insolit | stoned: unfortunatelly i needed it for tomorrow |
| 02:14.35 | quarkhead | i set umask=0007 dmask=0007 fmask=0007 uid=1000 and gid=1000 |
| 02:14.37 | Azar | dumbs they go eh? etch? what is that? |
| 02:14.38 | Insolit | i wanted to include him in a live-cd |
| 02:14.42 | stoned | you know, one day you'll run out of toy story names |
| 02:14.47 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:14.55 | dondelelcaro | stoned: yeah, but we've got a ways to go |
| 02:15.01 | pythonic | stoned: not before the 25th century |
| 02:15.02 | stoned | o yea definitely |
| 02:15.03 | Azar | stoned: there's allways potato2, sarge3, etch4 |
| 02:15.06 | lontra | stoned: where is this review? |
| 02:15.15 | stoned | lontra what review |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | they haven't finished with TS1 .. there's TS2 |
| 02:15.29 | pythonic | debian could finance TS3 |
| 02:15.31 | dondelelcaro | well, lenny is really toy story two |
| 02:15.31 | Azar | ah yes |
| 02:15.34 | quarkhead | 0 = all rights 7 = no rights ??? |
| 02:15.43 | lontra | stoned: aren't you citing some review? |
| 02:15.55 | Insolit | YES |
| 02:16.01 | Insolit | DID IT! |
| 02:16.08 | stoned | lontra about my quoted line? yes, from the linuxwatch article's comments |
| 02:16.08 | Insolit | sorry but i'm really happy |
| 02:16.08 | pythonic | Insolit: well done |
| 02:16.14 | pythonic | Insolit: what was it? |
| 02:16.17 | Azar | ... and abrotman never seen Beast Wars and laughed at me.. |
| 02:16.30 | stoned | lontra seems to me that people are just bashing debian because they don't fully understand its nature and mission |
| 02:16.32 | lontra | dondelelcaro: if i alter /etc/pbuilderrc do i need to run pbuilder update before i can run pbuilder build foo.dsc |
| 02:16.32 | Insolit | i finally have support for both ATI, NVIDIA, NVIDIA legacy |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | Azar: yes i have .. it sucks |
| 02:16.44 | Insolit | in my live-cd |
| 02:16.51 | lontra | dondelelcaro: it keeps referring back to ftp.jp.debian.org |
| 02:16.57 | lontra | and i changed that to us.debian.org |
| 02:17.05 | Azar | abrotman: what you seen was transformers, not beast wars... transformers is really ew |
| 02:17.12 | Insolit | i'm also going to test for intel support |
| 02:17.13 | JochenA | quarkhead: if you talk about the argument to umask then yes. The umask argument is the inverse of what you see with ls -l (were 7 is all rights and 0 is none) |
| 02:17.18 | dondelelcaro | lontra: edit it or create a ~/.pbuilderrc, then run pbuilder create; |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | i've seen beast wars .. it's horrible |
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| 02:17.25 | abrotman | why am i even arguing this |
| 02:17.35 | stoned | awe |
| 02:17.57 | dondelelcaro | lontra: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/development/.pbuilderrc is an example |
| 02:18.18 | stoned | btw, I just looked at the current size of smc deb package. the game is about 1mb while the graphics are close to 70+mb |
| 02:18.25 | Azar | stoned: my friend the first truly beautiful 3D way before 3D games came out |
| 02:18.29 | Insolit | stoned: lol |
| 02:18.30 | quarkhead | yup |
| 02:18.53 | stoned | it will be a while before I could upload it fully, but first i have to clean it up and make sure it complies with deb policies |
| 02:18.59 | Insolit | guys what's the time where you are? |
| 02:19.03 | stoned | like I said, will be a while before its done |
| 02:19.08 | pythonic | 12:22pm |
| 02:19.08 | dondelelcaro | actually, I'm wrong... lenny is Toy Story 1. |
| 02:19.25 | pythonic | and all is well |
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| 02:19.25 | Azar | bah, one night with plenty of beer and you will have Etch install and running |
| 02:19.54 | wintix | 04:20am |
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| 02:20.00 | stoned | well correction, its mostly audio taking up the space, but gfx too |
| 02:20.07 | stoned | it is an awesome game though |
| 02:20.07 | chance2105 | What is good software for backing up data to DVD? I'm looking for something simple I can point to and say "Hey you, /home/, back up to dvd, do it incrementally when I tell you to" |
| 02:20.15 | lontra | mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//23084': Read-only file system ... this happens when i try to run pbuilder create |
| 02:20.19 | Insolit | stoned: if u compile one version today please tell me |
| 02:20.29 | stoned | chance2105 I personally use k3b |
| 02:20.35 | Insolit | pythonic: :D here is 3:20 am |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: none of them have been from TS2 yet |
| 02:20.42 | Insolit | second night in a row |
| 02:20.43 | Azar | ...ya'll know all this rants anti-Debian online... is sour grapes cry.... |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | but i can't wait for Debian 5.1 Stinky Pete! |
| 02:20.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right; I thought we were getting to the point where it would start |
| 02:21.00 | stoned | its a kde product, #k3b etc. you could try apt-cache search dvd|less |
| 02:21.01 | stoned | etc. |
| 02:21.09 | Insolit | i think ill change my nick to insomnia |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think they still have four or so ? could be wrong |
| 02:21.14 | Azar | they like it but they are mad they can't "mold" it into a commercial software |
| 02:21.17 | dondelelcaro | (and the lenny binoculars I have are from toy story 2) |
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| 02:21.35 | abrotman | you got the crappy ones! |
| 02:21.45 | dondelelcaro | well, I've got a really nice woody, but that's it |
| 02:21.49 | rahul | ! |
| 02:22.00 | Azar | wow |
| 02:22.04 | Insolit | how can i capture stderr output? |
| 02:22.05 | Azar | that makes for a great quote |
| 02:22.21 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: 2>... |
| 02:22.26 | rahul | children are playing with woodys these days? |
| 02:22.34 | Insolit | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:22.34 | Azar | shaddap rahul.. |
| 02:22.44 | Insolit | are u spanish dondelelcaro ? |
| 02:22.49 | stoned | rahul dude, no... lol |
| 02:22.49 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 02:22.51 | stoned | shush |
| 02:22.53 | rahul | heh |
| 02:23.10 | dondelelcaro | rahul: of course; hot wheels has made a few. |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters .. we haven't even used Wheezy yet! |
| 02:23.29 | lontra | why is /etc/pbuilderrc read-only? it won't let me edit it and save it ... |
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| 02:23.45 | chance2105 | stoned: My directories are too deep for burning to DVD. I'd have to tar everything first, and then split the file to fit on DVDs. Suck. That, and doing it incrementally .. I'd have to look at the tools, but it doesn't sound pleasant |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | and we have to have Debian RC! |
| 02:24.00 | rahul | heh |
| 02:24.01 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:24.02 | rahul | RC RC1 |
| 02:24.02 | dondelelcaro | lontra: becuase it's owned by root? |
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| 02:24.10 | Azar | abrotman: .... that would top it : would really sound like an unbutu version |
| 02:24.15 | lontra | dondelelcaro: but i am root |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | Azar: wheezy or RC ? |
| 02:24.28 | dondelelcaro | lontra: then it shouldn't be read only, or even if it is, it shouldn't matter. |
| 02:24.34 | Azar | abrotman: wheezy sounds like breezy |
| 02:24.39 | stoned | chance2105 well I don't know what to tell you, except /msg dpkg search and just try to find some dvd burning software, or are you looking for an actual "backup" system that can burn to dvd? |
| 02:24.55 | abrotman | Azar: it's a character in TS1 .. it's a penguin |
| 02:24.57 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, the other character I have is RC Buggy. |
| 02:25.01 | stoned | chance2105 because I don't know of one since I don't really backup stuff |
| 02:25.07 | stoned | I know I should |
| 02:25.21 | Azar | abrotman: maybe wheezy could be reserved for when ubuntu dissapears |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: eh .. Debian Buggy just doesn't have a good ring ... |
| 02:25.33 | quarkhead | i made it! way ;@} |
| 02:25.37 | dalias | :) |
| 02:25.39 | Insolit | dondelelcaro: is there a way to prevent stderr from being displayed, and only redirected to a file? |
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| 02:25.41 | stoned | debian buggy would be awesome lol |
| 02:25.50 | Azar | abrotman: maybe Buggy can be renamed Boogie |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | Azar: with mark wahlberg doing the tv ads ? |
| 02:26.06 | stoned | no has to be from toystory to keep consistency |
| 02:26.12 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: 2>foofile |
| 02:26.12 | chance2105 | stoned: Yeah, pretty much. I haven't in the past. I have a new system with a DVD burner now, so I'd like to. I've found something that runs as a cron job online that sounds like the ticket, but I'm getting old and lazy and configuring things .. I like to stay away from that :) |
| 02:26.18 | Azar | abrotman: haha |
| 02:26.39 | rahul | buggy would be perfect for experimental |
| 02:26.39 | Azar | lately they been a bunch of good ads around |
| 02:26.39 | Insolit | dondelelcaro: i was not clear, i want redirect all output |
| 02:26.48 | Insolit | that seems to only redirect stderr |
| 02:26.49 | rahul | but it's called RC. |
| 02:26.57 | stoned | chance2105 if you're just tarring and breaking, then just use any dvd burning software. as for a backup system, I can't assist you furthur. |
| 02:26.57 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: then >foofile 2>&1 |
| 02:27.05 | Azar | hmm what was the character of the female toy? forgot the name |
| 02:27.12 | rahul | bo |
| 02:27.18 | dondelelcaro | and bo has already been used |
| 02:27.18 | Azar | bo! we had bo yet? |
| 02:27.22 | dondelelcaro | !bo |
| 02:27.22 | dpkg | methinks bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 02:27.23 | Insolit | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:27.25 | stoned | he said, "the female toy" |
| 02:27.29 | stoned | dude, that did nto sound right |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | Jessie ? |
| 02:27.31 | Azar | ah |
| 02:27.32 | rahul | haha |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | in TS2 ? |
| 02:27.36 | Insolit | &1 is argument one? |
| 02:27.37 | rahul | stoned: now you're doing it |
| 02:27.37 | aptitude | okay, Insolit |
| 02:27.41 | Azar | stoned: eh is just a toy dammit |
| 02:27.44 | stoned | ok ok I shush |
| 02:27.45 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:27.48 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: no. man bash; for details. |
| 02:27.50 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:28.00 | rahul | Azar: yeah, it's not a meaninful relationship |
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| 02:29.14 | Azar | how about Mrs Davis? |
| 02:29.22 | Azar | Debian Mrs Davis... |
| 02:29.26 | Azar | sounds good |
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| 02:30.33 | Insolit | dondelelcaro: still don't get all the output |
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| 02:32.14 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: what is the exact command that you are running? |
| 02:32.17 | StowersAngle | Girl's Where are You? |
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| 02:32.56 | Insolit | dondelelcaro: it's a knoppix binary to start X-session |
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| 02:34.16 | dalias | wtf |
| 02:34.24 | dalias | you can force ppl to part rather than kicking them? |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | he did kick him |
| 02:34.47 | dalias | but it showed up as a part not a kick.. |
| 02:35.25 | dondelelcaro | yes; this is an FN feature that has been around for a very long time. |
| 02:35.42 | Insolit | where's the '=' in US keyboard? |
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| 02:35.48 | dondelelcaro | Insolit: depends |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | usually next to bksp |
| 02:36.04 | Jmax- | is there anyway to mount an ffs partition from debian? |
| 02:36.34 | wintix | Insolit: you could try script |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | freebsd FFS ? |
| 02:36.43 | Insolit | indeed :D |
| 02:36.47 | Insolit | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:37.11 | Jmax- | abrotman: openbsd FFS |
| 02:37.18 | Jmax- | i don't know if there's a difference |
| 02:37.21 | pythonic | ffs ffs |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | Jmax-: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 02:38.05 | Jmax- | no |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | just try to mount it ? |
| 02:38.43 | pythonic | Insolit: are you in hawaii? |
| 02:38.51 | Jmax- | abrotman: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ffs' |
| 02:39.13 | pipeline | Jmax-: mount ro, type ufs |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | Jmax-: man mount has a list of FS types where the -t option is .. i think it's ufs |
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| 02:39.24 | Jmax- | pipeline: which ufstype? |
| 02:40.08 | pipeline | Jmax-: 44bsd |
| 02:40.22 | pipeline | Jmax-: ONLY RO! |
| 02:40.23 | lontra | dondelecaro: i know you said that pbuilder couldn't bork my system ... but now my kernel is failing to load and the last thing that happened was me to trying to run pbuilder |
| 02:40.26 | Jmax- | pipeline: are you sure that's ffs and not ufs? |
| 02:40.33 | pipeline | Jmax-: ffs = UFS post 1982ish |
| 02:40.39 | Jmax- | ah ok |
| 02:40.54 | pipeline | Jmax-: I guess it would be more accurate to say that FFS is UFS pre-1990 |
| 02:41.00 | lontra | dondelelcaro: it fails running fsck |
| 02:41.05 | pipeline | Jmax-: because non-BSD UFS drivers have moved quite a lot past old school FFS :P |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | does BSD install on pentium machines? |
| 02:42.18 | Jmax- | thanks :) |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:42.34 | Azar | reading reviews on fresh installs of Etch on laptops, common complaints: no wireless support, incorrect time on reboot, slow touchpad, but the general overview and feeling of the user: All in all I am very happy with my new system |
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| 02:43.13 | abrotman | Azar: DFSG, ntp, get a nipple |
| 02:43.52 | Azar | :) so I suck? laptop users need to read more about issues with installation, come here bug abrotman.. |
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| 02:44.32 | Azar | ntp might be good but windows-users tend to fend off from ntp, got a bad name on windows world |
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| 02:44.55 | abrotman | why? XP has it |
| 02:45.03 | Azar | "oh nooo close that port, you get hacked with it open" ! |
| 02:45.09 | stoned | gah |
| 02:45.21 | stoned | ntp is the shizboo |
| 02:45.24 | Azar | right, stoned? isn't that the legend? |
| 02:45.29 | stoned | yessir it is |
| 02:46.08 | Azar | so they moved from windows to linux and they are stunned: wow, no antivirus, no firewall and ntp open? you guys must be crazy |
| 02:46.16 | stoned | lol |
| 02:46.20 | stoned | now thats funny |
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| 02:47.09 | stoned | abrotman you should've came last night. It was fun. |
| 02:47.28 | Azar | he was, but had issues with connections |
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| 02:47.32 | coolzone | Hi all. I need some recommendation for securing NFS over the Internet. I have been reading about tunneling with SSH, and I have read about using VPN such as IPSec. Anyone with experience in this who can give some advice? I am only experienced in setting up NFS on a trusted LAN internally.. |
| 02:47.44 | stoned | Azar no I mean to the Debian Etch release party |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | stoned: i actually ended up going to a nice bar near here with yummy beer :) |
| 02:47.49 | pipeline | coolzone: NFS doesn't work well over the network. |
| 02:47.57 | pipeline | coolzone: err, internet |
| 02:47.57 | stoned | abrotman awe |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | stoned: you probably would have taken me out back and hit me with a beer bottle! |
| 02:48.05 | Azar | it must be nice in philly by now.. |
| 02:48.06 | liable | what beer isnt yummy? |
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| 02:48.10 | coolzone | pipeline, what do you recommend instead then? |
| 02:48.11 | pipeline | coolzone: NFSv4 supports considerably more security than previous versions, but you should really consider AFS |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | Azar: it was 45 today |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | and raining |
| 02:48.28 | stoned | abrotman oh c'mon man.. i know we screw with each other online but I wouldn't do that to ya |
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| 02:48.29 | stoned | :( |
| 02:48.34 | Azar | yeah but still the smell of spring is around |
| 02:48.36 | coolzone | pipeline, is afs fully supported on debian, as a server as well? |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | stoned: you'd pay someone to do it :) |
| 02:48.43 | pipeline | abrotman: don't worry: I would have hit you with the beer bottle. |
| 02:48.49 | pipeline | coolzone: fsvo "fully supported" |
| 02:48.53 | stoned | abrotman whehehe |
| 02:49.00 | pipeline | coolzone: OpenAFS is poorly documented, but that's probably your only option. |
| 02:49.05 | zood_ | What's a quick command to back up my entire home directory (with dot files) to another computer I can ssh to? |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | pipeline: at least i'd do the dorky thing and make a beer bottle canon to shoot at you :) |
| 02:49.07 | pipeline | coolzone: AFS is explicitly designed to be used over the internet :P |
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| 02:49.33 | stoned | abrotman (joke) I was trying to talk rahul into jumping you with me |
| 02:49.33 | stoned | lol |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | there's AFS and DFS |
| 02:49.33 | coolzone | pipeline, what about some vpn solution? |
| 02:49.36 | Talisker | any way to look up a package by a name of a library it contains? |
| 02:49.36 | pipeline | abrotman: so, when are you coming out to the premiere flyover state ? |
| 02:49.40 | pipeline | coolzone: performance would be crap |
| 02:49.44 | pipeline | coolzone: NFS is for the LAN :P |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | pipeline: next time my coworker gets married again ? :) |
| 02:50.49 | coolzone | pipeline, do you have any hand experience with using afs over the internet? I have to set this solution up at work. |
| 02:50.50 | stoned | zood_ just tar up the files |
| 02:51.11 | stoned | all of it |
| 02:51.19 | pipeline | coolzone: err, AFS is explicitly intended to be used over the internet, like I said. You had probably better consult IBM's own documentation, as they were the ones who released OpenAFS IIRC |
| 02:51.20 | markybob | Talisker: apt-file |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | you can tar it and send it via netcat |
| 02:51.28 | pipeline | coolzone: Debian definitely works as both client and server. |
| 02:51.28 | rahul | stoned: last night was nothing |
| 02:51.40 | rahul | stoned: you should see lispnyc meetings with jay and kenny and michael |
| 02:51.46 | rahul | and me! :) |
| 02:51.51 | rvalles | pipeline: what's to be gained from AFS? |
| 02:51.53 | stoned | you drink too much man |
| 02:51.54 | stoned | lol |
| 02:51.56 | rahul | heh |
| 02:51.58 | coolzone | pipeline, ok, I will look into afs on debian then, thanks! |
| 02:52.03 | pipeline | rvalles: less terrible performance than NFS over the internet |
| 02:52.10 | stoned | you could say the same about me though, I toke too much |
| 02:52.11 | rvalles | pipeline: and over local network? |
| 02:52.13 | pipeline | rvalles: more multi-platform than NFS |
| 02:52.19 | pipeline | rvalles: over local network, with mostly UNIX hosts, use NFS :P |
| 02:52.27 | rvalles | pipeline: hehe |
| 02:52.46 | rvalles | it's like accessing a local FS |
| 02:52.47 | rvalles | :-) |
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| 02:52.59 | stoned | time for bed. bye bye babies, g'night |
| 02:52.59 | pipeline | rvalles: AFS is that way with a sane client :P |
| 02:53.08 | pipeline | rvalles: AFS implements UNIX semantics, it's just not tied to them :P |
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| 02:53.28 | markybob | abrotman: watching some late-night baseball? :) |
| 02:53.42 | rahul | uh, NFS is NOT like using a local fs |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | markybob: they were all PPD |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | and the sox game was on at noon (Patriot's Day) |
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| 02:54.08 | abrotman | ick .. that means today was the Boston Marathon .. what a crappy day for that |
| 02:54.15 | pipeline | rvalles: actually, in this day and age, screw nfs. use iSCSI and a cluster FS ;) |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | GFS! |
| 02:54.28 | pipeline | rvalles: iSCSI is totally multiplatform. There are no decent multiplatform cluster FSes. |
| 02:54.31 | pipeline | abrotman: ugh, no |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:54.37 | pipeline | abrotman: OCFS2 |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | RH bought it .. it must be good! |
| 02:54.53 | pipeline | abrotman: ignore the O, it really doesn't suck, trust me :P |
| 02:54.55 | rvalles | pipeline: iSCSI is scary |
| 02:55.02 | pipeline | rvalles: scary simple :P |
| 02:55.05 | rvalles | pipeline: I prefer to access files, not blocks |
| 02:55.18 | rvalles | pipeline: sharing a block device is... well, scary |
| 02:55.24 | pipeline | rvalles: heh, the next generation of NFS shares blocks |
| 02:55.31 | rvalles | can be practical at times (using nbd at times :D) |
| 02:55.36 | rvalles | but that's all |
| 02:55.45 | pipeline | rvalles: parallel NFS is being standardized. In that scheme, the NFS server just handles transactions/locking; the clients access shared block devices directly |
| 02:56.05 | pipeline | rvalles: fuck nbd :P |
| 02:56.29 | rvalles | but nbd is simple and does the job just fine :P |
| 02:56.35 | pipeline | nonstandard |
| 02:56.38 | rvalles | I used it just a few days ago |
| 02:56.45 | rvalles | nonstandard |
| 02:56.52 | rvalles | but there are clients/servers for even AmigaOS |
| 02:57.06 | rvalles | windows has support, also |
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| 02:57.17 | rvalles | (third party, of course) |
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| 02:59.45 | qiyong | my cpu is amd64; my current distro is 32bit, i want to migrate it to 64bit, is it possible? i mean without CD, just download, install and reboot |
| 03:00.59 | pipeline | qiyong: You're better off using an amd64 kernel with 32 bit userland. |
| 03:00.59 | pipeline | qiyong: and no. |
| 03:00.59 | pipeline | qiyong: debian has very limited multi-arch support (i.e. more than one arch in one system) |
| 03:01.02 | qiyong | pipeline, will that work 64bit kernel + 32bit userland? |
| 03:01.15 | pipeline | qiyong: works like a charm. even nvidia drivers work now |
| 03:01.26 | abrotman | he could debootstrap or debtakeover |
| 03:01.29 | pipeline | qiyong: you get full IOMMU support, and you get to avoid PAE, but no 64 bit hassles |
| 03:01.38 | abrotman | gah .. why is this show on now!?! |
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| 03:01.53 | qiyong | abrotman, what's the difference to cdebootstrap? |
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| 03:02.17 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 03:02.18 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 03:03.30 | qiyong | abrotman, there's cdebootstrap and debtootstrap |
| 03:04.01 | qiyong | pipeline, so after 64bit kernel is up, i can chroot into a 64bit userland, then all is 64bit, is it? |
| 03:04.13 | qiyong | !cdebootstrap |
| 03:04.13 | dpkg | [cdebootstrap] explained in http://bugs.debian.org/254248 |
| 03:05.27 | Thms | hello geeks :P |
| 03:07.14 | smacnay | Does icedove keep conf files in ~/.thunderbird? Does icedove handle local Maildir format? |
| 03:07.20 | pipeline | qiyong: yes. You can debootstrap a 64 bit userland, and use mount --bind to move some pseudo-filesystems over |
| 03:08.10 | Thms | !cdbootstrap |
| 03:08.10 | pipeline | qiyong: also, while the kernel loader is 99% of the time smart enough to work fine with 64/32 kernel/user, I have on one occasion needed the "linux32" loader to run a legacy linux app that used libc5 |
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| 03:14.43 | quarkhead | how do i see what kernel installed & how do i list available kernels |
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| 03:16.22 | blizz | hi. |
| 03:16.35 | blizz | how can i get python-imaging working for python2.5? |
| 03:16.54 | Pryon | available pre-built kernels: apt-cache serc linux-image |
| 03:16.56 | pmv | quarkhead: aptitude search kernel-image can show you all that |
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| 03:17.06 | bobloblian | quarkhead: uname -a to see installed kernel |
| 03:17.10 | quarkhead | linux = harley davidson "A whole lot of work before you can start cruising!" :-P |
| 03:17.13 | Pryon | wow. s/serc/search/ |
| 03:17.15 | pmv | 'aptitude search' shows you which packages are installed |
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| 03:17.29 | DavidProck1981 | hay i mounted an iso, and now i can umount it cause it say it is bizzy, but nothing is useing it |
| 03:17.48 | bobloblian | I am trying to find directories that do not contain files older than three months, but can't seem to get a syntax out of the find command to do that... |
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| 03:17.59 | pmv | DavidProck1981: tried umount -l or -f yet? |
| 03:18.08 | liable | DavidProck1981: are you cd's into it? do you have a file manager in it? |
| 03:18.15 | liable | cd'd* |
| 03:18.17 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 03:18.57 | Pryon | quarkhead: one way to find currently installed kernels is dpkg -l linux-image* | grep '^ii' |
| 03:19.27 | DavidProck1981 | i have no folders or filemanagers open |
| 03:19.58 | DavidProck1981 | pmv what is -l or -f about |
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| 03:20.22 | antum | how do I install gd on debian? |
| 03:20.28 | blizz | mhm, is python2.5 completely unsupported? |
| 03:20.49 | quarkhead | i find only: linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 i want 2.6.20 because ntfs-3g says so, it gives me alot of warnings when i mount my drives |
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| 03:21.14 | jamesbrink | does anyone know why webmin is not included in the newest release of debian? |
| 03:21.27 | pmv | DavidProck1981: man mount |
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| 03:21.52 | pmv | man umount I mean |
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| 03:22.04 | pmv | DavidProck1981: basically, force and lazy umount |
| 03:22.28 | DavidProck1981 | lazy? |
| 03:22.33 | bobloblian | quarkhead: I think you need to change your apt sources list to include experimental repositories to get 2.6.20 |
| 03:22.41 | pmv | DavidProck1981: man umount |
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| 03:22.49 | DavidProck1981 | i am reading |
| 03:22.52 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 03:23.11 | quarkhead | ok |
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| 03:23.30 | quarkhead | what is the adress |
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| 03:25.20 | bobloblian | I haven't tried it, but I am under the impression that you can just change the part of the line that lists your distribution to experimental |
| 03:25.20 | bobloblian | i.e. change etch to experimental |
| 03:25.22 | quarkhead | ok |
| 03:25.26 | bobloblian | that might have changed since they released etch a little bit ago, though, so dont' know for sure |
| 03:25.44 | liable | wtf? |
| 03:25.58 | liable | dont chsnge to experimental |
| 03:26.01 | quarkhead | will my computer be full of holes after installing a experimental kernel? |
| 03:26.04 | liable | jesus christ |
| 03:26.08 | stew | quarkhead: you don't want experimental |
| 03:26.08 | pythonic | liable: yes? |
| 03:26.09 | bobloblian | also, I am guessing you will have to compile yourself, kind of doubt there will be a pre-compiled |
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| 03:26.25 | liable | pythonic: make it sunny today please |
| 03:26.35 | pythonic | your wish is my command |
| 03:26.50 | pythonic | no.. wait... i'm jesus christ, not genie christ |
| 03:26.54 | qiyong | does amd64 work with w32 codecs well now? |
| 03:27.19 | liable | i'd be surprised |
| 03:27.33 | quarkhead | i want to get my ntfs disks working properly, ntfs-3g gives me warnings an suggest i install kernell 2.6.20 |
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| 03:27.53 | pythonic | i love my amd64 but it's a pain in the arse sometimes |
| 03:28.05 | DavidProck1981 | qiyong, amd64 has a problem with w32codecs ??? |
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| 03:28.35 | qiyong | DavidProck1981, i guess so, for pure64 |
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| 03:29.33 | DavidProck1981 | u talking about the hardware or 64bit OS conflict |
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| 03:30.31 | sigjuice | does etch have any tools to make it easy to configure apache? |
| 03:30.54 | markybob | sigjuice: yes. nano, vim, etc. |
| 03:31.11 | DavidProck1981 | markybob LOL LMAO |
| 03:31.24 | markybob | thank you, thank you :) |
| 03:31.40 | sigjuice | :) something more high-level than text editors? |
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| 03:32.35 | markybob | sigjuice: no. you could ask in #apache if you run into trouble, though |
| 03:33.57 | bobloblian | is there a way to use find to list directories that do not contain files older than 90 days? |
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| 03:34.22 | bobloblian | I can find the files that aren't 90 days old, but not the directories that do not contain files older than that |
| 03:35.11 | \amethyst | bobloblian: you could find all the files older than 90 days then pipe it through something to remove the last component, sort, and uniq |
| 03:36.44 | bobloblian | \amethyst: thanks, just the kind of idea I was looking for :) |
| 03:37.23 | \amethyst | bobloblian: you can use -printf '%h' (instead of -print) for the first part |
| 03:37.37 | pythonic | bobloblian: if you want the directories without those files, cat that output with the output of find / -type d ; then sort and uniq -u |
| 03:38.49 | n3kl__ | How can I get the latest nvidia driver? |
| 03:38.59 | pythonic | !nvidia |
| 03:38.59 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 03:39.30 | bobloblian | thanks guys, working it through... |
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| 03:40.22 | n3kl__ | pythonic: that will get the 8776 driver, but there is a 9 something out I think |
| 03:40.45 | quarkhead | this is a ntfs line in my fstab now: /dev/hda5 /mnt/Documents ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 I get rw-access to the mount folder but no disks appear on the desktop, i tried to make links there but it did not work, what can i do to get easy access to the disk? The mount warning looks like this: WARNING: Dirty volume mount was forced by the 'force' mount option. |
| 03:40.45 | quarkhead | WARNING: Deficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are |
| 03:40.45 | quarkhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.45 | quarkhead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.47 | pythonic | n3kl__: substitute whichever one you want: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
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| 03:42.24 | quarkhead | :-/ |
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| 03:42.55 | \amethyst | quarkhead: it gives that warning if you're running anything older than 2.6.20 |
| 03:43.11 | magyar | cant install fglrx driver with module-assistant on sid 2.6.20 |
| 03:43.12 | guru | how do i find out what is making my load averages so high? top doesn't show anything out of the ordinary |
| 03:44.26 | quarkhead | ok, but is 2.6.20 stable and safe? i understood it was experimental |
| 03:44.43 | dalias | all 2.6 kernels are experimental ;) |
| 03:44.49 | quarkhead | he he |
| 03:45.14 | \amethyst | guru: look for processes with state 'D' |
| 03:45.19 | yigal | what about 2.4 |
| 03:45.40 | Rusty1 | guru htop, slabtop might show something |
| 03:45.44 | quarkhead | how do i upgrade to 2.6.20 then. i have 2.6.18 now |
| 03:45.58 | \amethyst | quarkhead: have you been using ntfs-3g for a while? |
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| 03:46.19 | quarkhead | got it a couple of hours ago |
| 03:46.47 | DavidProck1981 | is there any way to add a scrool bar to top, cause i can tell the list is longer than what will show? ,guru ever thought of that |
| 03:47.24 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: just reorder it by whatever metric you care about |
| 03:47.43 | \amethyst | DavidProck1981: you might want to try htop |
| 03:47.44 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know much about top |
| 03:47.52 | magyar | anyone knows how to create debs from ati driver provided on ati website? |
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| 03:48.22 | Rusty1 | DavidProck1981: try htop |
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| 03:48.23 | yigal | magyar: what about checkinstall? |
| 03:48.24 | DavidProck1981 | bash: htop: command not found |
| 03:48.32 | quarkhead | how do i upgrade to 2.6.20 |
| 03:48.33 | \amethyst | DavidProck1981: aptitude install htop |
| 03:49.42 | DavidProck1981 | Nice |
| 03:49.45 | quarkhead | could not find it with aptitude search kernel-image |
| 03:50.17 | \amethyst | quarkhead: 2.6.20 images aren't built yet... you can compile your own |
| 03:50.18 | yigal | I have not found 2.6.20 in unstable, is it in experimental? |
| 03:51.17 | quarkhead | yeah right. im NOOOB :-P |
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| 03:51.58 | DavidProck1981 | is 85 tasks running normal ?, havent really installed anything that should run all the time! |
| 03:52.24 | yigal | quarkhead: search for linux-image |
| 03:52.29 | magyar | yigal: all i got is "ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run" from ati's website |
| 03:52.46 | quarkhead | where with what? |
| 03:52.53 | magyar | yigal: checkinstall needs an install.sh file |
| 03:53.03 | yigal | quarkhead: aptitude |
| 03:53.09 | quarkhead | i didi |
| 03:53.13 | quarkhead | did |
| 03:53.17 | DavidProck1981 | magyar, i feal so sorry for u , if u r tring to get support from ati !!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:53.26 | liable | linux-image, not kernel-image |
| 03:53.34 | quarkhead | ah, seff |
| 03:53.37 | \amethyst | ah, 2.6.20 is in unstable now |
| 03:53.40 | yigal | quarkhead: yes but a different search |
| 03:53.47 | DavidProck1981 | i got an ati card my self |
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| 03:53.55 | quarkhead | tnx |
| 03:54.42 | kdean06 | I'm installing on a new system and when I use the nv driver, my screen dies. If I use vesa X starts without issues, and in either case, I'm getting no errors or warnings in the X log, anyone able to help me diagnose this? |
| 03:54.54 | yigal | \amethyst: what repos r u using as I have unstable repos and do not see 2.6.20 |
| 03:55.07 | DavidProck1981 | magyar, what video card made by ati do u have? |
| 03:55.37 | liable | !u |
| 03:55.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:55.38 | quarkhead | where do i find that sources-list again? |
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| 03:56.26 | liable | quarkhead: /et/apt |
| 03:56.28 | liable | etc |
| 03:56.43 | yigal | "u" is a shorthand expression for "you" in my colloquial language |
| 03:57.07 | liable | is your coloquial language aolspeak? |
| 03:57.19 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 03:57.24 | dalias | :)) |
| 03:57.28 | DavidProck1981 | i use u too |
| 03:57.38 | quarkhead | tnx, again |
| 03:57.50 | yigal | AOL isn't for me, ty |
| 03:57.53 | Adrian | !lol |
| 03:57.53 | cafuego | I use 'u' as an alias for 'users'. |
| 03:57.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 03:58.11 | cafuego | alais u='users' |
| 03:58.32 | concept10 | Im about to start up an ISP |
| 03:58.44 | concept10 | have you guys heard of meraki? |
| 03:59.28 | yigal | dpkg: lol is an acronym and not ona mona pia (sp.) |
| 03:59.29 | dpkg | yigal: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 04:00.07 | DavidProck1981 | Adrian, lol doesn't sound like any thing cause it is short for "laugh out loud", LOL is ment to be read not pronunced |
| 04:00.32 | Adrian | DavidProck1981: still makes you look like an AOL user :) |
| 04:00.48 | DavidProck1981 | aol sucks |
| 04:01.03 | Adrian | so does AOL speak |
| 04:02.06 | DavidProck1981 | dont even know what aol speak is LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LMAO |
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| 04:02.07 | dalias | AOL speak is |
| 04:02.07 | dalias | ASL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!11oneoneone!! |
| 04:02.09 | yigal | dpkg: u may have a point in that ana mana pia is a more universal language then an acronym in English. So perhaps as world citizens haha buhahha etc. should be picked up instead of the previous |
| 04:02.09 | dpkg | yigal: that's too long |
| 04:02.15 | cybermad | what is the best ftp server? |
| 04:02.23 | cybermad | i need recommendation |
| 04:02.27 | liable | yigal: dpkg is a bot |
| 04:02.48 | yigal | it matters not, it raised a good issue |
| 04:02.56 | smacnay | what is the best method for sharing mail between two mua's? |
| 04:03.02 | liable | well, you cant converse with a bot.. |
| 04:03.18 | yigal | smacnay: what type of mailbox do you use? |
| 04:03.18 | pmv | you mean, onomatopoeia |
| 04:03.47 | yigal | pmv: you say onomatopoeia I say tomato |
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| 04:04.02 | smacnay | yigal: I set up Maildir but is there a way with MH? |
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| 04:04.20 | pmv | yigal: but you would be wrong :-) |
| 04:04.22 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg: fglrx is the most sorry ass support for a video caard i have ever seen ! |
| 04:04.22 | dpkg | ...but fglrx is already something else... |
| 04:04.30 | yigal | smacnay: sure |
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| 04:05.02 | yigal | smacnay: I use mutt and sylpheed-claws together |
| 04:05.03 | smacnay | yigal: how does MH work? |
| 04:05.24 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg: ATI is so sorry at supporing thier products |
| 04:05.24 | dpkg | ...but ati is already something else... |
| 04:05.24 | smacnay | yigal: that is the setup I want to try. |
| 04:05.43 | yigal | smacnay: mutt uses nmh/getmail |
| 04:05.47 | liable | DavidProck1981: please leave the factoids alone |
| 04:05.49 | smacnay | I have a Maildir right now, and use exim4 as a transport to drop mail in my ~/Maildir |
| 04:05.55 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg: DavidProck is a god |
| 04:05.55 | dpkg | okay, DavidProck1981 |
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| 04:06.07 | yigal | smacnay: it is a little more complicated with MH |
| 04:06.09 | smacnay | yigal: if i can get rid of exim4, that would be fine. |
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| 04:06.14 | smacnay | yigal: ah |
| 04:06.33 | DavidProck1981 | !DavidProck |
| 04:06.33 | dpkg | somebody said davidprock was a god |
| 04:06.51 | yigal | smackay: I use getmail to bring the mail in and nmh for mh |
| 04:07.14 | peterS | !davidprock =~ s/god/poser/ |
| 04:07.14 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 04:07.42 | yigal | smackay: it works very well, there are a few tutorials around. I agree it is a great system I have now. |
| 04:07.50 | DavidProck1981 | !DavidProck |
| 04:07.50 | dpkg | i guess davidprock is a poser |
| 04:07.59 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 04:08.26 | pmv | ahaha |
| 04:08.36 | peterS | credibility is not measured by what you call yourself, but by what others call you |
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| 04:09.22 | quarkhead | i found this location: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ i addes it to sources.list but get: not known on line 12 in source list |
| 04:09.24 | smacnay | yigal: does getmail drop to and nmh command pipe? |
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| 04:11.28 | yigal | smackay: yes, look at getmail's website http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ they have a section on MH, basically use this setup with Mutt and then just use Sylpheed's native MH design. It is pretty easy, just a little different- a lot easier than the crazy exim we are used to using Debian. |
| 04:11.28 | DavidProck1981 | !davidprock |
| 04:11.28 | dpkg | methinks davidprock is a is someone that can barly get by useing Linux, And some times needs a lot of help |
| 04:12.56 | quarkhead | must sleep, good night :'( |
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| 04:16.20 | turtle5001 | hi |
| 04:16.32 | yigal | turtle: hello |
| 04:16.54 | turtle5001 | i install etch last night. |
| 04:17.19 | yigal | what do u think of it? |
| 04:17.26 | turtle5001 | why i can not find linux-wlan-ng ? |
| 04:17.52 | Insolit | is there a nice tool in debian to control which services are loaded at startup? |
| 04:18.10 | DavidProck1981 | !DavidProck |
| 04:18.11 | dpkg | somebody said davidprock was a Person that can barly get by useing Linux, And some times needs a lot instructional of help |
| 04:18.17 | yigal | doi you have non-free part of the repos on? |
| 04:18.47 | yigal | last remark directed at turtle5001 |
| 04:19.14 | turtle5001 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:19.43 | turtle5001 | yes i use non-free respository |
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| 04:22.20 | |rouemirc| | How do I use FTPS with the FileZilla client? |
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| 04:22.28 | markybob | turtle5001: why do you need linux-wlan-ng if you're using ndiswrapper with broadcom? and it is in etch (http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-wlan-ng) |
| 04:23.01 | turtle5001 | did any bug on linux-wlan-ng at etch ? |
| 04:23.43 | turtle5001 | i cann't find wlan0 |
| 04:23.52 | eazy-away | what's a good secure ftp daemon for linux? |
| 04:23.58 | markybob | |rouemirc|: helps if you read the faq. http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=24746&group_id=21558 |
| 04:24.02 | peterS | eazy-away: we generally recommend vsftpd |
| 04:24.06 | markybob | eazy-away: vsftpd |
| 04:24.14 | eazy-away | thanks guys |
| 04:24.18 | dondelelcaro | the best ftp daemon is no ftp daemon. |
| 04:25.22 | Vasistha | is it possible to set up some kind of sshd to accept ftp-like file copying but not shell access? Or is that what vsftpd essentially does |
| 04:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: rssh does this |
| 04:26.29 | Vasistha | ah, thanks, good to know! Too bad more run-of-the-mill web hosts don't run that, it ought to be so easy. |
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| 04:27.06 | dondelelcaro | well, I don't know why most run-of-the-mill web hosts don't just have real chrooted shells |
| 04:27.19 | vorpal | hola muchachos. does anyone know if there is a patch/kernel config option to prevent the dreaded OOM Killer? |
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| 04:29.06 | dondelelcaro | vorpal: if the OOM killer is activated, the choices are panic or kill things off |
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| 04:29.06 | dondelelcaro | vorpal: if you don't want it to become activated, disable memory overcommit, or dial it back |
| 04:29.07 | vorpal | dondelelcaro, i think disabling memory over commit is what i want |
| 04:29.07 | DavidProck1981 | hay every once in a while i like to host ftp & http, is there a way to do it , like installing an app, and the server is only open when the app is |
| 04:29.07 | dondelelcaro | vorpal: man proc; and read about overcommit_memory |
| 04:29.13 | vorpal | dondelelcaro, muchas gracias |
| 04:29.18 | PingFloyd | DavidProck1981: hay is for horse |
| 04:29.28 | DavidProck1981 | and i sell grass |
| 04:29.32 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 04:29.34 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 04:29.43 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: that's essentially what these daemons do. Most of them default to starting up when the machine starts up, but you can set them not to always start on boot, and manually control them. Sure. |
| 04:30.30 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha, i dont know about daemons, can u tell me more |
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| 04:31.05 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: afaik a daemon is just a program that runs mostly in the background |
| 04:31.12 | PingFloyd | DavidProck1981: probably using/writing a script to invoke the apps and start the daemons is your best bet for that scenario |
| 04:31.23 | DavidProck1981 | afaik, what is that |
| 04:31.33 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: apache web host runs as a daemon, as do ftp servers, etc |
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| 04:31.47 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: see acronymfinder.com |
| 04:31.58 | PingFloyd | DavidProck1981: in other words, instead of having them be in invoked by the startup scripts, you just run the script(s) to get it all up and running, on demand. |
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| 04:33.24 | DavidProck1981 | is there one that wuill do ftp and attp |
| 04:33.38 | peterS | no, there are many that will do ftp and many that will do http |
| 04:34.06 | DavidProck1981 | do u know what would be best for me, and easy to set up |
| 04:34.17 | peterS | I don't answer to "u" |
| 04:34.40 | DavidProck1981 | do you know what would be best for me, and easy to set up |
| 04:34.55 | Vasistha | apache's pretty easy, and very widespread... |
| 04:35.01 | Vasistha | (for http) |
| 04:35.18 | peterS | yeah for http you want apache2 because that's what you get the most support, since everyone + dog uses it |
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| 04:35.53 | peterS | if you want to start and stop it as a non-root user you'll have to change the config somewhat, to bind to something other than port 80 and not try to switch users |
| 04:36.00 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: I think the recommendation for most uses, including yours, would be 'apache2-mpm-prefork' |
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| 04:36.13 | peterS | I'm not sure if you _can_ start an ftp server as non-root, as it needs to bind to ports 20 and 21 |
| 04:36.39 | kdean06 | Kernel.org has been slower than dirt... |
| 04:36.41 | iissmart | is debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso the stable etch i386 release? |
| 04:36.47 | peterS | iissmart: yes |
| 04:36.56 | iissmart | took me forever to find it, i keep finding debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:37.06 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 04:37.41 | mandingo | anyone have any idea what permissions this might be referencing while trying to build a package? dpkg-deb: failed to make tmpfile (control): Permission denied |
| 04:37.54 | dondelelcaro | kdean06: the problem is most likely at your end, as I just transfered from there at 8.4 M/s. |
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| 04:38.34 | peterS | iissmart: hmmm, it is 2 clicks away from http://www.debian.org/. (click on "CD ISO images" then "Download CD/DVD images with BitTorrent" or similar) |
| 04:38.40 | vorpal | mandingo, are you using fakeroot? |
| 04:38.56 | mandingo | vorpal: yes |
| 04:39.32 | iissmart | peterS, yeah but i was looking for the netinstall |
| 04:40.29 | peterS | iissmart: if you click "download cd/dvd images with bittorrent" you get a directory that includes debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 04:40.33 | Vasistha | say, I'm curious... has the traditional 'wheel' group been pretty much done away with by sudo? |
| 04:40.38 | mandingo | vorpal: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 04:41.19 | peterS | Vasistha: you can use them together, restricting access to sudo commands by means of the wheel group |
| 04:41.28 | iissmart | peterS, except...I can't use torrents on this network |
| 04:41.45 | Vasistha | peterS: interesting! thanks. |
| 04:42.04 | mandingo | nm, I'm an idiot |
| 04:42.13 | mandingo | /tmp was 755 |
| 04:42.14 | mandingo | hahaha |
| 04:42.16 | peterS | iissmart: about the same number of clicks to get other download methods |
| 04:42.26 | mandingo | thanks anyways! |
| 04:42.26 | vorpal | mandingo, cloned system? |
| 04:42.28 | iissmart | no matter, i found it anyways |
| 04:43.02 | vorpal | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.08 | vorpal | 1777 |
| 04:43.08 | peterS | try 1777 |
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| 04:45.00 | peterS | ash-fox's quit message is a debian etch license key! |
| 04:45.32 | mandingo | yeah, I fixed it already, it was set at 755 |
| 04:45.36 | mandingo | for some silly reason :) |
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| 04:46.35 | vorpal | mandigo, i clone drives frequently, and setting correct perms on temp is one of the steps ;-) |
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| 04:48.04 | mandingo | vorpal: yeah, this was a fresh etch image but weeks ago I moved /tmp to /usr/local/tmp with a symlink and forgot to set proper permissions |
| 04:48.48 | peterS | /usr/local/tmp? the mind boggles |
| 04:49.03 | mandingo | :) |
| 04:49.06 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha what is the difference from installing apache2 or apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 04:49.11 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 04:49.20 | peterS | DavidProck1981: if you had any idea how to use apt-cache show, you would know |
| 04:49.53 | DavidProck1981 | is that = to aptitude search? |
| 04:51.37 | peterS | I refuse to answer, because you should be able to figure the answer out for yourself |
| 04:52.07 | DavidProck1981 | !davidprock |
| 04:52.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, davidprock is a Person that can barly get by useing Linux, And some times needs a lot instructional of help |
| 04:52.18 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: I don't completely understand this stuff myself, but ... see, the apache project forked, and so installing apache2 installs one of the different versions currently available. apache2-mpm-prefork is probably the most appropriate for you. I'm not sure which of the forked versions "apache2" will install |
| 04:52.19 | markybob | DavidProck1981: you've really gotta learn to fish |
| 04:52.55 | peterS | Vasistha: not a fork, just multiple plugins |
| 04:53.32 | Vasistha | peterS: hum, really? Then why is the one called "prefork"? |
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| 04:54.38 | peterS | Vasistha: the different mpm modules are for how the server arranges to handle multiple connections. prefork is just like apache 1.3 does: it forks off several child processes and the master feeds them requests when they come in. pre- because forking the child processes happens before the requests show up |
| 04:55.20 | DavidProck1981 | so what would br best for me to install |
| 04:55.23 | peterS | Vasistha: this gives higher performance than the "obvious" approach of just waiting for a network connection to come in, then forking off a child at that time to handle that connection. preforked "worker" processes typically handle hundreds of connections through their lifetime |
| 04:55.25 | Vasistha | peterS: ahh, interesting. my intuition says that that would not be as good for a server under heavy load |
| 04:55.43 | Vasistha | "that" being prefork |
| 04:56.16 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: I already told you. Just install prefork. You're not going to be handling hundreds of simultaneous connections, so it's irrelevant for you. |
| 04:56.38 | peterS | Vasistha: right, apache2-mpm-worker uses threads rather than separate processes, so it's a little bit faster. but since preforking is how apache worked way back before 1.0, that module is the most stable and the others (like -mpm-worker) have only become trustworthy more recently |
| 04:56.58 | peej | where do we get the salt for shadow from? I'm trying to understand if it differs from one system to another. Eg: if I paste my encrypted passwd into another box, can I login to the other box with that password? |
| 04:57.26 | Vasistha | peterS: ahh, right. I read about this some months ago when I installed etch, but it didn't quite seep all the way through the thick skull :-) but the threads vs. processes thing really makes sense |
| 04:57.26 | peterS | peej: yes you can. salt is generated randomly, but it is added to the crypted password in plaintext. |
| 04:58.10 | dondelelcaro | peej: man shadow; and man crypt; for details on how it works |
| 04:58.17 | peterS | Vasistha: really prefork is fast enough for most people anyway, I think the main reason the apache software foundation bothered with pluggable MPM modules at all is that in Windows you can't do prefork since, well, you can't fork at all. and they wanted to support Windows properly for apache 2.0. |
| 04:58.44 | Vasistha | peterS: ahh, interesting! Well, I ... err just a sec |
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| 04:58.57 | peej | peters, thanks |
| 04:59.27 | Vasistha | hard to keep talking when receiving a jolt of really awful news :-/ |
| 04:59.32 | peej | dondelelcaro: nothing on salt implementation there as far as I know. |
| 04:59.38 | peterS | Vasistha: doh |
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| 05:00.20 | peterS | peej: you read 'man crypt'? it explains what the salt does |
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| 05:00.22 | peej | peterS: um... you mean the bit inside the "$" is the salt in plaintext? |
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| 05:00.57 | peterS | peej: $ is only used for md5 passwords, which are not portable to arbitrary Unix systems, only to other Linux systems. but yes. |
| 05:01.33 | peterS | peej: if you want encrypted passwords that can be used on Linux, AIX, BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, etc., you have to use DES passwords, whose encrypted version is shorter and contains no $ |
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| 05:02.08 | peterS | peej: you can always install 'manpages-dev' on your u****u system |
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| 05:03.16 | peej | peterS: cool, thanks. |
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| 05:04.22 | DavidProck1981 | ok it works, how do i tell where the html files is at |
| 05:04.31 | GhostlyDeath | Why does the clock slow down? |
| 05:04.49 | GhostlyDeath | I set it to the right time and the next thing I know it's 30 minutes behind |
| 05:05.06 | vorpal | time dialation. it happens when you travel *really* fast |
| 05:05.06 | peej | GhostlyDeath : virtual machine? |
| 05:05.07 | peterS | DavidProck1981: see /etc/apache2 |
| 05:05.11 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath: try adjtimex that might help you |
| 05:05.29 | GhostlyDeath | When I do adjust time, it says my platform is not supported |
| 05:05.35 | peej | GhostlyDeath : exactly thirty, or gradually gets to 30? |
| 05:05.42 | GhostlyDeath | gradually |
| 05:05.42 | peej | GhostlyDeath : what platform? |
| 05:05.50 | GhostlyDeath | Debian "lenny" |
| 05:05.55 | GhostlyDeath | from "etch" |
| 05:06.39 | GhostlyDeath | I just changed it to the right time |
| 05:07.26 | peej | GhostlyDeath : I was actually wondering if it was odd hardware |
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| 05:07.40 | GhostlyDeath | I set it to 1:06 and now it's 12:07 |
| 05:07.54 | xixor | anyone here a big latex user? Miktex on windows will automatically download missing packages, but tetex does not appear to do this. Is there a package to be installed that will install all the latex style files? |
| 05:08.08 | fengor | apt-cache search latex |
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| 05:08.53 | mosty | is there a way i can create an alias for a network interface? |
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| 05:09.19 | mosty | ie so "eth0" and "internet" both refer to the same interface? |
| 05:09.33 | xixor | ahh, tetex-extra |
| 05:10.18 | iissmart | what driver should I use for a Trio32/64 video card? |
| 05:10.26 | peterS | mosty: no but you could rename eth0 to internet if you wanted. this is what ifrename is for |
| 05:10.28 | iissmart | S3 Trio32/64 |
| 05:10.42 | peterS | iissmart: there's trio64 and trio64v, the latter uses s3virge I think, the former ... I'm not sure |
| 05:10.59 | mosty | peterS, well i did do that, but i have a program that requires my nic be called eth0 |
| 05:11.06 | Vasistha | xixor: keep in mind, though, that if you're using debian stable, it's probably not always going to update. There's probably a way to set it up to do that, if you like. |
| 05:11.13 | peterS | iissmart: they might both use s3virge, or they might use s3, or they might not be supported at all - I lose track easily |
| 05:11.31 | peterS | mosty: geez, fix your program, they shouldn't hard-code stuff like that |
| 05:11.35 | mosty | iissmart, s3 |
| 05:11.57 | mosty | peterS, i know :( it's not my program and it is closed source :( |
| 05:11.58 | xixor | Vasistha: Do you think that the capability is within tetex? Or would it be best to rig up something in conjunction with ctan.org directly? |
| 05:12.10 | GhostlyDeath | uh oh |
| 05:12.11 | Vasistha | xixor: I have no clue! ;-) |
| 05:12.14 | GhostlyDeath | CPU at 172F |
| 05:12.30 | peterS | mosty: so like if your only nic were a wireless card named wlan0, your closed-source program wouldn't work? bah. |
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| 05:12.51 | xixor | Vasistha: it may be alright, I don't think that tex style files are under heavy development |
| 05:13.18 | mosty | peters: yes, it sucks. it's the register util for asterisk's g729 |
| 05:13.36 | peterS | asterisk has a closed-source component? this I didn't know |
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| 05:14.14 | mosty | peters: yes, g729 is a patent encumbered codec |
| 05:14.24 | peterS | figures |
| 05:14.33 | mosty | it's distributed seperately |
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| 05:14.47 | iissmart | I get AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 05:14.53 | Vasistha | maybe there's a way to alias the interface to eth0? kind of like a symlink, but for interfaces... |
| 05:15.41 | mosty | Vasistha, that's what i am hoping for |
| 05:16.11 | mosty | or is there a way to create a fake ethernet interface? i think it needs a mac address |
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| 05:21.02 | peej | mosty: maybe you could bond a dummy interface? |
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| 05:21.22 | mosty | peej: i'm googling that now |
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| 05:23.44 | peej | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 is good |
| 05:24.21 | peej | else I was thinking you could route with iptables. But I may be talking crap. |
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| 05:25.44 | Vasistha | peterS: well, anyway, I was going to ask -- the threaded paradigm introduced with apache worker seems as if it might be a more efficient way to go, n'est-ce pas? |
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| 05:26.20 | zood_ | Heya folks, I |
| 05:26.21 | peterS | Vasistha: if all your apache modules are thread-safe, sure. i.e., if you aren't using php |
| 05:26.38 | peterS | Vasistha: for some reason, there are still a lot of php users out there in the wild |
| 05:26.59 | Vasistha | peterS: concrete examples are so valuable :D interesting, didn't realize php wasn't thread-safe. |
| 05:27.15 | peterS | Vasistha: there may be other apache modules in the same category but php is the one I know about, yeah |
| 05:27.36 | Vasistha | peterS: so php really needs the prefork process forking? |
| 05:27.52 | zood_ | I'm trying to install etch via floppy (then network) but I get some error about not finding the floppy, followed by kernel panic. Any thoughts? |
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| 05:28.38 | peterS | Vasistha: 'apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 | grep Depends' - note that it does indeed depend on apache2-mpm-prefork specifically. well, with an alternative of apache2-mpm-itk, which is another mpm module that also does preforking (in a slightly different way) |
| 05:29.57 | peterS | Vasistha: alternatively - you can use apache2-mpm-worker or whatever if you are willing to use the CGI version of php, which is to say, every php page access will spawn a separate php process via the CGI mechanism. (the php5-cgi package.) but that's kind of counterproductive if you thought you wanted apache2-mpm-worker for its efficiency. |
| 05:30.12 | muhoo | are there any tools that'll show me a matrix of what services are enabled in what runlevels? |
| 05:30.17 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah, right. once again, the debian package maintainers show themselves to be competent at calculating dependencies :D |
| 05:30.23 | peterS | heh |
| 05:30.30 | manu_hack | anyone familiar with acpi here? for screenblank.sh, after running it, how could I recover the screen? |
| 05:30.32 | muhoo | or do i have to write it myself (i.e. lots of ls'ing through /etc/rc-N.d) |
| 05:30.47 | chemist | how do I see free space on a mounted device from CLI |
| 05:30.52 | peterS | Vasistha: we aren't always as proactive as you assume - sometimes we only get stuff like this right by reacting to bug reports telling us how we got it wrong. |
| 05:30.56 | peterS | chemist: df |
| 05:31.08 | peterS | chemist: like 'df .' to see just the line for the device containing the current directroy |
| 05:31.22 | Vasistha | peterS: well, that's why I don't usually run 'testing', heh |
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| 05:33.58 | chemist | peterS: thanx |
| 05:34.21 | zood_ | What do I do if I get a kernel panic immediately after starting the etch installer? |
| 05:34.42 | peej | zood_: bad install media? binary screwy? hardware too flakey? |
| 05:34.55 | zood_ | peej, worked fine with sarge... |
| 05:35.23 | peej | zood_ : with a 5 year old floppy disk on its last legs ;-) |
| 05:35.28 | Dewi | does etch installer have a choice of kernels at all? |
| 05:35.48 | peterS | Dewi: no |
| 05:36.15 | peterS | Dewi: the debian kernel team is tired of trying to support several kernels. woody had like 5 (on different platforms), sarge was down to 2 (2.4.27, 2.6.8), etch is down to 1 (2.6.18). |
| 05:36.42 | Dewi | peterS: I was glad of it in sarge since the default kernel was so old |
| 05:37.01 | peej | zood_ : alternatives to floppy (and cdrom): pxe, usb, zip. pxe's probably too painful though. |
| 05:37.11 | peterS | Dewi: well, with etch I guess they finally decided it was time to stop supporting 2.4 kernels in new installs. you can still use your 2.4 kernel in etch, but you can't in lenny. |
| 05:38.02 | peej | zood_ : or you can just heroically struggle on with whatever floppies you have. DAMHIKIJKOK... |
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| 05:39.04 | Dewi | I still remember the horrible days when CD-ROMs were commonplace, but a lot of BIOSes still did not boot from them |
| 05:39.51 | zood_ | peej, the laptop I'm using has no other options for install. USB cd rom wont work unless you have a very specific model apparently |
| 05:39.56 | mikes1 | I like net installs |
| 05:40.01 | Dewi | peterS: one of my upgrades from testing to etch wanted to remove grub |
| 05:40.08 | Dewi | peterS: what would have happened if I had let it? |
| 05:40.28 | DavidProck1981 | ok im all good to go with apache2, now what about an ftp server, one that windows users can use too |
| 05:40.40 | peterS | Dewi: if you want to boot a hard disk it needs to have a boot loader. grub is not the only game in town but unless you have either that or lilo or something else that works, you can't boot the hard disk |
| 05:40.44 | Dewi | zood_: cd-rom should work on anything less than about 8 years old |
| 05:40.50 | mikes1 | Dewi: Was it going to reinstall updated version? |
| 05:40.55 | Dewi | zood_: but USB is dodgy yes |
| 05:41.04 | Dewi | mikes1: didn't look like it |
| 05:41.13 | zood_ | hmm well one more try. THanks folks |
| 05:41.31 | mikes1 | Dewi: strange |
| 05:41.40 | Dewi | peterS: I know, but going from "grub" to "nothing" seemed like an odd thing for the upgrade to do... I'm surprised I could have "no" package manager without broken packages |
| 05:41.46 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: ftp servers are not picky about who is connecting. the standing recommendation here seems to be vsftpd |
| 05:41.47 | Dewi | argh I mean "no boot loader" |
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| 05:42.04 | Dewi | perhaps it selected some other bootloader - is grub still default? |
| 05:42.19 | ubd | theres a program that has a simple 3d animation that views fps. what is it? |
| 05:42.22 | Dewi | anyway I just told it to install grub and everything was fine |
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| 05:42.33 | peterS | Dewi: grub is still default, though lilo and grub2 also exist, plus some others for other platforms |
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| 05:43.29 | Angel-SL | !gd |
| 05:43.29 | dpkg | from memory, gd is a brilliant graphics library, ability to create GIFs and PNGs on the fly. Or maybe just PNGs. it's at http://www.boutell.com/gd/ |
| 05:43.34 | cybermad | why i often got disconnect from ssh server when i connecting on it |
| 05:43.36 | Angel-SL | !gd2 |
| 05:43.42 | LinuxNIT | are the make-live scripts not in the repos? |
| 05:43.51 | cybermad | i install on Etch Debian 4.0 r0 |
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| 05:47.07 | DavidProck1981 | Not creating home directory `/home/ftp'. |
| 05:47.07 | DavidProck1981 | Starting FTP server: vsftpd. |
| 05:47.11 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
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| 05:49.07 | DavidProck1981 | i got vsftpd installed, how do i get it working |
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| 05:51.05 | markybob | DavidProck1981: you read the docs |
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| 05:52.04 | DavidProck1981 | where r they at |
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| 05:52.16 | markybob | my lord. really, you're too lazy to google vsftpd docs? |
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| 05:52.38 | DavidProck1981 | never thought of that |
| 05:53.05 | meteor-1500 | hi - how can i make apt think i've got a package installed so i can install other packages that depend on it? i have compiled my own version of said package |
| 05:53.18 | markybob | !equivs |
| 05:53.18 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 05:53.37 | meteor-1500 | ah ok |
| 05:53.50 | meteor-1500 | a |
| 05:53.51 | meteor-1500 | ta |
| 05:53.55 | markybob | np |
| 05:54.31 | DavidProck1981 | ok i google it and dont see what i need from http://vsftpd.beasts.org/#about |
| 05:55.28 | markybob | DavidProck1981: i dont believe you're really 26 |
| 05:55.45 | DavidProck1981 | what does that matter |
| 05:55.54 | DavidProck1981 | i qam |
| 05:55.58 | DavidProck1981 | am |
| 05:56.11 | markybob | most 26 year olds actually know how to find things out for themselves. it's a growing up thing |
| 05:56.25 | DavidProck1981 | i never grow up |
| 05:56.44 | markybob | you're asking easy things that you would surely find if you just tried. instead you dont give a fuck and expect everyone to hand you everything |
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| 05:58.20 | plovs | are there any netinst images with 2.6.20 kernel? i want to install etch, but the kernel is too old. Feisty installs fine (using 2.6.20), but i want etch |
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| 05:58.45 | maddash | plovs: compile it yourself |
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| 06:00.23 | sciboy_ | My nvidia is broken, and the ubuntu live cd had no issues with it so something is wrong on debians side. =/ |
| 06:00.24 | plovs | maddash: i'm fine with that but i need to install first |
| 06:00.24 | maddash | plovs: so install |
| 06:00.35 | markybob | sciboy_: you probably installed using nvidia's installer and then upgraded something which broke glx since it overwrote what the nvidia intaller did. right? |
| 06:00.55 | sciboy_ | markybob, No, i used module assistant all the way. |
| 06:01.00 | plovs | maddash: it won't even boot using 2.6.18, let alone install. and i would really like to avid installing feisty, then chrooting debian |
| 06:01.12 | mindframe_ | is lenny being built into the current testing netinst images? |
| 06:01.38 | markybob | sciboy_: how about you get us a real error message or something to work with? |
| 06:02.27 | maddash | plovs: what's your problem? install the etch base system, then compile yourself 2.6.20 using the kp mantra |
| 06:02.33 | sciboy_ | What i find curious is the /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0 |
| 06:02.34 | sciboy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.04 | sciboy_ | Thing is every other time i've used it, it had a result. =| |
| 06:03.40 | sciboy_ | markybob, Pretty much on running X it complains it can't intialise the device. |
| 06:03.50 | plovs | maddash: netinstall won't install *at all* it hangs, feisty installs, but only from the time when they started using 2.6.20, so i need an installer using 2.6.20 |
| 06:03.58 | cybermad | why i often got disconnect (Connection Reset) from ssh server when i connecting on it. I install SSH on Debian 4.0 r0 (Etch) |
| 06:04.10 | sciboy_ | When probing the kernel driver no errors pop up. |
| 06:04.40 | plovs | maddash: the box i install on is sata only |
| 06:04.47 | maddash | plovs: when did you get your installer? where does it hang? |
| 06:04.53 | plovs | not even an ide connector on the motherboard |
| 06:04.58 | peterS | cybermad: usually that is a problem of trying to do port forwarding from a NAT router and then sshing through the NAT router to some machine inside it. some NAT routers are crap and drop connections if they're idle very long |
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| 06:05.01 | Dewi | plovs: could you bootstrap .18 into running without whatever subsystem is causing problems? |
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| 06:06.25 | cybermad | i do ssh in LAN.. |
| 06:06.45 | cybermad | so my IP is 172.168.100.231 and the debian is 172.168.100.202 |
| 06:07.10 | peterS | I don't know then, I haven't encountered that sort of problem just within a LAN |
| 06:07.11 | plovs | maddash: Dewi: it hangs saying ata1: Sata link up ... how do i turn of the sata-module? |
| 06:07.19 | Dewi | cybermad: testing sshing to other machines, then test sshing *from* other machines. isolate the problem |
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| 06:07.48 | Dewi | plovs: hmm... how will you install without SATA? |
| 06:08.19 | cybermad | Dewi when install ssh i use apt-get install ssh, is that ok? |
| 06:08.25 | plovs | Dewi: yes, that kind of complicates things |
| 06:08.28 | Dewi | cybermad: should be, yes |
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| 06:09.07 | Dewi | plovs: although maybe it's merely probing the wrong driver... |
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| 06:09.37 | Dewi | plovs: have you tested the latest testing installer? |
| 06:09.44 | plovs | Dewi: maybe, but 2.6.20 installed fine, not using anything like noacpi etc |
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| 06:10.28 | king_crimson | hi |
| 06:10.30 | plovs | and i haven't build any netinstall images for a long time, so i would really like to avoid that. But i have 4 of these boxes so it should start to work |
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| 06:10.37 | king_crimson | hey i got kind of a noob question |
| 06:10.40 | Dewi | plovs: you don't need to build them, I mean here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:10.51 | Dewi | plovs: I don't know if that's the same kernel as etch 4.0 |
| 06:11.00 | Dewi | plovs: it might have been updated since etch release |
| 06:11.07 | Dewi | plovs: I don't know where to check unfortunately |
| 06:11.11 | king_crimson | i got etch all set up with beryl and everything on my new 19" widescreen |
| 06:11.17 | king_crimson | everything is running great... except |
| 06:11.28 | king_crimson | my time keeps changing |
| 06:11.33 | plovs | Dewi: i looked at those, where can i find the kernel version of it? |
| 06:11.41 | king_crimson | i assume its syncing with an internet time server but getting it from the wrong time zone? |
| 06:11.44 | plovs | ah, i'll just download them |
| 06:11.51 | king_crimson | i installed debian properly with central time zone as default |
| 06:12.17 | markybob | plovs: daily still uses 2.6.18 |
| 06:12.35 | plovs | markybob: tnx |
| 06:12.41 | Dewi | plovs: I'm afraid I don't know. I also don't know if any dangerous changes have fallen into testing at this early stage in the cycle. Normally for the first 12 months or so I install stable and upgrade to testing, to avoid using dodgy installers... but worth a try I reckon |
| 06:12.50 | markybob | plovs what if you install with 2.6.20 sarge and upgrade to etch? would that work for you? |
| 06:12.51 | Dewi | markybob: aah. |
| 06:13.08 | king_crimson | argh speaking of the new monitor, i just noticed a dead pixel on it i just bought it last night wtf! |
| 06:13.11 | Dewi | markybob: sarge has a kernel that new? |
| 06:13.17 | markybob | plovs: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ there it does |
| 06:13.45 | markybob | Dewi: -^ |
| 06:13.52 | Dewi | king_crimson: some brands have a 7 day no pixel guarantee... so hurry up |
| 06:14.05 | king_crimson | its a proview |
| 06:14.07 | Dewi | king_crimson: and check if your manufacturer has one :P |
| 06:14.08 | king_crimson | i got it at walmart lol |
| 06:14.21 | plovs | markybob: getting closer :-) so i need amd64 with 2.6.20 |
| 06:14.21 | |rouemirc| | anyone using FTPS with FileZilla beta 3 successfully? |
| 06:14.43 | king_crimson | beryl is incredible! anybody else using it? |
| 06:14.58 | Dewi | |rouemirc|: why would we? this is a debian channel |
| 06:15.03 | sciboy_ | Stuff it i'm switching to ubuntu. D= |
| 06:15.35 | Dewi | |rouemirc|: if it's giving you problems, maybe go back to stable version |
| 06:16.12 | markybob | plovs: fuck, man. :) try #debian-amd64 |
| 06:16.18 | |rouemirc| | Dewi: There is a FileZilla package in Debian main. |
| 06:16.42 | |rouemirc| | Dewi: Any version before 3 is Windows-only,and 3 isn't out of beta yet. |
| 06:16.48 | plovs | markybob: ok, tnx for the time :-) |
| 06:17.28 | Dewi | |rouemirc|: oh. the sourceforge page mentions only windows! |
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| 06:21.03 | Tigger_ | wow quiet in here |
| 06:21.10 | rabies | scary aint it? |
| 06:21.16 | Tigger_ | yeah lol |
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| 06:21.30 | rabies | little children should be yelling about the stupidity of the world |
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| 06:22.26 | Tigger_ | there must be no issues with debian |
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| 06:23.34 | jetscreamer | no i bitched enough for a month |
| 06:23.46 | Tigger_ | hahaha jetscreamer |
| 06:23.57 | LegolasV | Tigger_: well, if you want I'll have a little issue, but it occurs on an ubuntu installation (although debian would have it too) |
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| 06:24.28 | Tigger_ | ok, i might not know the answer lol |
| 06:25.13 | Tigger_ | but what does happen on the installation ? |
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| 06:25.45 | LegolasV | well, the short date format for the locale nl_NL is dd/mm/yy, but I want it to be dd/mm/yyyy or else mozilla sunbird (the calendar) wont let me add birthdays in 1925 (it makes them 2025) |
| 06:26.09 | zood_ | bummer! I can't install etch because usb floppy support was dropped from the floppies! |
| 06:26.13 | Tigger_ | oh right |
| 06:26.28 | LegolasV | (sorry, I guess that was my bad english, with "ubuntu installation" I meant "a box running ubuntu", it's a dutch way of saying.. I guess) |
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| 06:27.08 | markybob | zood_: just do a usb install with a usb key instead |
| 06:27.18 | Tigger_ | hmm well i don't know off hand LegolasV |
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| 06:27.36 | zood_ | markybob: this comp doesn't have a usb drive boot option in the bios... :( |
| 06:27.38 | Tigger_ | i could re-boot into debian and have a look lol |
| 06:27.55 | Dewi | markybob: you say that like it's easy... I tried for about 6 hours to figure out how to make a bootable USB disk once |
| 06:28.15 | LegolasV | Tigger_: ok, actually I think the locale should be changed. Who wants to have a two digit year anyway? |
| 06:28.16 | Dewi | markybob: I even lost an mp3 player once between somebody suggested I dd an iso image onto it... and it destroyed the device |
| 06:28.30 | Tigger_ | well yeah LegolasV |
| 06:28.36 | Dewi | markybob: s/between/because/ |
| 06:28.38 | DavidProck1981 | zood_ do a floppy boot and u can tell it to use the sub drivers to load the rest |
| 06:28.41 | Tigger_ | bit silly isn't it |
| 06:28.58 | DavidProck1981 | usb* |
| 06:28.59 | zood_ | DavidProck1981: Hmmm I'm not sure what you mean |
| 06:29.05 | zood_ | DavidProck1981: ah |
| 06:29.25 | zood_ | DavidProck1981: ummm how would I do that...? |
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| 06:30.10 | ireverentReveren | ah |
| 06:30.11 | markybob | dewi sorry you had a hard time with it :) |
| 06:30.24 | DavidProck1981 | well i found out how to make the usb stick bootable, im sure instructions is in the same place...... |
| 06:30.26 | LegolasV | Tigger_: yeah, I guess I'll file a little bugreport |
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| 06:30.34 | markybob | dewi if it makes you feel better, i got fired for fucking the boss' sister. |
| 06:30.39 | Tigger_ | yeah go for it LegolasV |
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| 06:30.56 | DavidProck1981 | i read the option of booting with a floppy and getting the rest on a usb stick, but i did not read into it |
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| 06:31.15 | zood_ | It seems unwise to drop "usb floppy" support from the floppy intaller! The floppy intaller should support as many floppy drive types as possible! |
| 06:31.16 | Tigger_ | LegolasV, it is a bug really isn't it |
| 06:31.54 | markybob | zood_: try the #debian-boot channel on oftc |
| 06:32.00 | markybob | zood_: maybe they can help you |
| 06:32.02 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean drop |
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| 06:32.33 | zood_ | DavidProck1981: It was on the sarge boot floppies but not etch |
| 06:32.33 | DavidProck1981 | what i was saying gets the usb going from the floppy, pritty much sumed up |
| 06:32.34 | LegolasV | Tigger_: well, I don't know if it really is, probably not, but it still is strange |
| 06:32.44 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 06:33.09 | Tigger_ | LegolasV, indeed |
| 06:33.29 | belracu | In my network the MAC of the gateway is changed to some other IPs MAC in my local ARP Cache i suspect the ms-sql server any one have a solution |
| 06:33.44 | DavidProck1981 | i got to goto bed |
| 06:33.46 | zood_ | DavidProck1981: I put the boot floppy in, hit enter to install and a few moments later "kernel panic" so I don't see where I can get it to use a usb drive if the bios doesn't allow that |
| 06:34.02 | Tigger_ | LegolasV, i'd let them know about it for sure |
| 06:34.10 | markybob | zood_ if there's no one in the channel, you could also try the debian-installer mailing list. they're pretty good about replying |
| 06:34.31 | zood_ | markybob: cool thanks |
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| 06:35.16 | DavidProck1981 | zood_ maby u could use a live cd to prepair the drive to boot up to install the netinstall |
| 06:35.20 | Tigger_ | LegolasV, imagine something like that effecting the return of the space shuttle |
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| 06:35.41 | zood_ | DavidProck1981: no CD drive and usb CD drive dont work either |
| 06:35.47 | markybob | Tigger_: space shuttles suck...which is why they're being deprecated. :) |
| 06:36.02 | Tigger_ | lol |
| 06:36.04 | DavidProck1981 | u dont have a cd crive? |
| 06:36.18 | jetscreamer | Dewi: it's as easy as making a bootable floppy disk, with dos :o |
| 06:36.20 | LegolasV | Tigger_: space shuttles'll be running en_RB, which doesn't have it :) |
| 06:36.25 | LegolasV | GB* |
| 06:36.49 | Dewi | jetscreamer: er... what? |
| 06:36.50 | Tigger_ | LegolasV, good to know :) |
| 06:36.57 | Dewi | jetscreamer: USB disks don't have a drive letter like a floppy disk |
| 06:37.02 | jetscreamer | bootable stick |
| 06:37.16 | Dewi | jetscreamer: nor do they have the same partitioning scheme as a floppy disk - don't they use something more like hard disk partitioning? |
| 06:37.32 | jetscreamer | i said it was as easy, not the same steps |
| 06:37.38 | Dewi | jetscreamer: great |
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| 06:39.03 | Dewi | the main thing was... I don't own a floppy drive |
| 06:39.07 | DavidProck1981 | zood_ what kind of media input does the pc have? |
| 06:39.19 | Dewi | and all the software I found wanted to get the system files off an actual floppy disk through an actual floppy drive |
| 06:39.32 | Dewi | but the whole reason for wanting to boot off USB is to avoid having floppy drives or disks |
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| 06:40.04 | Tigger_ | i think Dewi needs to boot off usb |
| 06:40.07 | Dewi | * actually I probably do have a FDD *somewhere*, but what a waste |
| 06:40.25 | DavidProck1981 | bbl |
| 06:40.53 | Dewi | Tigger_: what I'm saying is that I have never found any way to make a USB stick bootable - except by using a physical floppy disk |
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| 06:41.15 | Tigger_ | Dewi, i c |
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| 06:41.40 | Tigger_ | Dewi, i thought you could boot off usb tho |
| 06:41.51 | Tigger_ | without floppy |
| 06:42.02 | Dewi | Tigger_: not without bootable software on the stick... how do I get it there? |
| 06:42.13 | jetscreamer | cp? |
| 06:42.40 | Tigger_ | i've seen instrunctions somewhere for usb boot |
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| 06:42.57 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 06:42.58 | Dewi | jetscreamer: ... so I'll copy a file called "boot_this_please_mr_bios.com" onto a disk or something? |
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| 06:43.09 | jetscreamer | yes exactly |
| 06:43.49 | Tigger_ | Dewi, i take it you have no usb boot option in ur bios ? |
| 06:43.52 | Dewi | dutchfish: what kind of boot image is that? floppy? hard disk including parition table? |
| 06:43.57 | jetscreamer | ln -sn /boot/ /boot_this_please_mr_bios.com first and such :o |
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| 06:44.20 | dutchfish | Dewi, isk.img for floppy |
| 06:44.22 | Dewi | jetscreamer: I think you'll find paths like that are meaningful only to linux, not i386 BIOS |
| 06:44.27 | dutchfish | Dewi, disk.img for floppy |
| 06:44.34 | jetscreamer | just treat it as a harddrive and do your thing.. use smartbootmanager maybe if your bios doesn't support it |
| 06:44.53 | Dewi | dutchfish / jetscreamer : thing is, I did that once with an ISO and it ruined my MP3 player |
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| 06:45.00 | DavidProck1981 | zood_ r u still there |
| 06:45.22 | Dewi | dutchfish / jetscreamer : USB disks, in my experience, have a partition table... don't they? |
| 06:45.34 | jetscreamer | yes afaik |
| 06:46.09 | jetscreamer | or if they're partitioned, yes afaik, rather |
| 06:46.39 | dutchfish | Dewi, they are actually FAT normally |
| 06:47.25 | Dewi | dutchfish: oh, an msdos table with FAT16 partition, it says further down. cool, thanks |
| 06:47.25 | jetscreamer | and i just sys H: or whatever |
| 06:47.25 | jetscreamer | from dos |
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| 06:47.49 | jetscreamer | format /s works too.. of course, it 'dos' |
| 06:47.53 | dutchfish | Dewi, not sure but i believe most are FAT32 |
| 06:48.01 | Dewi | dutchfish: I wasn't trying to get SYSLINUX at the time though... I wanted some kind of DOS 7 boot disk to run something like memtest86, iirc. But anyway |
| 06:48.28 | jetscreamer | yeh i did it for the laptop and bios updates |
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| 06:49.03 | protocol_ | Hi everybody. |
| 06:49.10 | Dewi | jetscreamer: know if you were using fat32 or fat16? |
| 06:49.16 | jetscreamer | vfat |
| 06:49.21 | jetscreamer | aka fat32 |
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| 06:50.05 | Dewi | jetscreamer: vfat actually is a different filesystem to fat32, but the one linux driver does them both |
| 06:50.18 | jetscreamer | no i don't think so |
| 06:50.25 | Dewi | jetscreamer: VFAT is actually fat16 with long file name support grafted on |
| 06:50.28 | Dewi | jetscreamer: win95 style |
| 06:50.38 | Dewi | jetscreamer: fat32 came with win98 (and later win95s) |
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| 06:51.03 | jetscreamer | bbl though |
| 06:51.15 | dutchfish | Dewi, fat32 cam in win98 rev II |
| 06:51.43 | Dewi | Tigger_: yep :P |
| 06:51.51 | Tigger_ | :) |
| 06:51.56 | Dewi | Tigger_: but one day I would like to get away from that |
| 06:52.18 | Tigger_ | ahh i c |
| 06:52.26 | dutchfish | another usb tip: dont use USB sticks > 512mb |
| 06:52.26 | Dewi | what I'm wondering is... if I got a USB disk, stuck a new partition table on it with a single fat12 primary, and made it exactly 1.44mb |
| 06:52.37 | Dewi | could I then copy a floppy disk image in there and have it boot? |
| 06:52.48 | Dewi | dutchfish: for booting? |
| 06:52.54 | dutchfish | Dewi, yup |
| 06:53.07 | protocol_ | I am having a problem to recover my system. Actually I have rewrite my boot partition with some junk data. I installed debian etch with whole LVM encrypted partition. I am looking for some tips how to recover my boot. It would be great help if someone puts hints to do it. |
| 06:53.13 | dutchfish | Dewi, alot of bios-es dont handle them well |
| 06:53.37 | Dewi | dutchfish: actually recently I put a 4gb file on a flash disk and linux just refused to read it |
| 06:53.42 | Dewi | dutchfish: no idea why |
| 06:53.53 | dutchfish | Dewi, U3 stick? |
| 06:54.15 | Dewi | dutchfish: no, just your general mass storage stick. It was fine when I filled it with 4gb of smaller files |
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| 06:54.32 | Dewi | I'm really not sure what the deal was there |
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| 06:55.03 | dutchfish | Dewi, some sticks like U3 have "intellegent MS software" HA... |
| 06:55.05 | Tigger_ | Dewi, or boot from network card |
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| 06:55.27 | Dewi | Tigger_: never done that either. that would be cool. |
| 06:55.39 | Tigger_ | well it can be done |
| 06:55.54 | Dewi | aaanyway, I'd better hook a monitor on this headless box to see why it's failed |
| 06:56.00 | Tigger_ | i did it years ago once |
| 06:56.16 | Tigger_ | with redhat linux i think |
| 06:56.33 | dutchfish | http://www.freeos.com/articles/2343/2/1-3/ |
| 06:57.18 | Tigger_ | Dewi, i'm sure i booted from the redhat server |
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| 06:57.49 | Tigger_ | long time ago tho |
| 06:58.20 | Tigger_ | i think you can do it with debian but never tried |
| 06:59.01 | dutchfish | also : http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 06:59.47 | Tigger_ | oh yes i've done that |
| 06:59.49 | protocol_ | Anybody knows recovering boot partition with debian etch encrypted LVM? |
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| 07:00.30 | dutchfish | protocol_, you know passwords en saved DUID's? |
| 07:00.35 | protocol_ | yes |
| 07:00.41 | Tigger_ | i used debootstrap to re-install over ssh with putty from windows |
| 07:00.51 | Tigger_ | remotely |
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| 07:01.33 | protocol_ | dutchfish: I just rewritten my boot partition by mistake, all other partition are ok? |
| 07:01.37 | Tigger_ | you need a big enough partition spare to do it on tho |
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| 07:01.53 | protocol_ | dutchfish: The problem is that I can not boot it anymore :) |
| 07:01.59 | dutchfish | protocol_, what does lvdisplay tells you? and prolly pvdisplay? |
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| 07:03.01 | dutchfish | protocol_, oops, never did that ... i am not sure how to recover a boot part with encrypted lvm |
| 07:03.26 | dutchfish | protocol_, you have a backup? |
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| 07:03.39 | protocol_ | I can not find any rescue system supporting SATA, LVM, cryptsetup. |
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| 07:04.15 | protocol_ | dutchfish: Unfortunately I have no backup, so I will loose everything if I can't recover it. |
| 07:04.50 | markybob | but at least you'll learn and have backups from now on. cup is half-full |
| 07:04.52 | dutchfish | protocol_, i am not sure but i would use the same debian install cd maybe you are lucky and debian detects the appropriate logiccal drives with LVM setup |
| 07:05.20 | dutchfish | protocol_, then go to shell and fix your boot part |
| 07:05.32 | yigal | does anyone know if the python bindings for xmms2 are any use in listening to lastfm? |
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| 07:05.46 | dutchfish | !slaps protocol_ |
| 07:06.01 | dutchfish | !slap protocol_ |
| 07:06.14 | protocol_ | I tried to use debian installation disk, it does not find any SATA drive in my system. |
| 07:06.35 | markybob | which kind of begs the question how you installed debian on that box in the first place |
| 07:06.39 | dutchfish | protocol_, of coarse you need sata drivers to modprobe |
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| 07:07.10 | dutchfish | protocol_, what debian you used? |
| 07:07.56 | dutchfish | protocol_, and what kernel? |
| 07:08.06 | protocol_ | 2.6.19 |
| 07:08.06 | yigal | excuse me I meant to say if the python binding in unstable for xmms2 are ready to be used for xmms2 to listen to last.fm - I know this is a rather silly question but I like the command line a lot and xmms2 is the only client I have found that seems to be capable of using lastfm |
| 07:08.23 | markybob | yeah...debian never had 2.6.19...so...not sure why you're asking #debian for help |
| 07:09.05 | dutchfish | protocol_, i think then you are screwed |
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| 07:10.28 | rhalff | hi Is there some kind of standard to build custom packages ? I need to slightly patch php, are there any guides to do this in automated way ? |
| 07:11.14 | yigal | rhalff: yes that is what the source files are all about and dpkg |
| 07:11.18 | dutchfish | rhalff, kind-off, just unpack de debian php package, modify and use dpkg-build |
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| 07:11.53 | dutchfish | !dpkg-build |
| 07:11.59 | rhalff | ah thanks |
| 07:12.12 | yigal | rhalff: :-) Debian |
| 07:12.27 | GhostlyDeath | There a way to make a makefile be mean (as apposed to nice) in processor usgae/ |
| 07:13.21 | yigal | GhostlyDeath: what do you want it to do exactly |
| 07:13.29 | dutchfish | rhalff, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 07:13.29 | GhostlyDeath | compile faster |
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| 07:14.33 | dutchfish | rhalff, and you can of coarse script it ;) |
| 07:14.35 | yigal | GhostlyDeath: compiling faster will I think have a lot to do with what compilers you are using and the flags you give the processor to use |
| 07:14.58 | sussudio | GhostlyDeath: you can make it use more cpus/cores, if that's what you mean. |
| 07:15.08 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
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| 07:15.38 | yigal | does anyone use xmms2 for music? |
| 07:15.39 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath, or even use extra emote machines |
| 07:15.51 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath, remote* machines |
| 07:16.24 | yigal | ok, does anyone use mpd/mpc with last.fm? |
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| 07:17.33 | GhostlyDeath | Also, I want gcc to get better FIFO spots |
| 07:17.43 | yigal | I guess not |
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| 07:20.14 | Vasistha | !anyone use xmms2 |
| 07:20.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses xmms2, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:20.36 | yigal | jees, u guys whats up? |
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| 07:20.57 | yigal | xmms2 is awesome for scripting |
| 07:21.06 | dutchfish | yigal, i would like to help you but i have no knowledge of your subject |
| 07:21.22 | Eclipser | yigal, I'm xmms2 dev |
| 07:21.26 | Vasistha | yigal: we like real questions. are you having a problem getting something to work? tell us what the real issue is. ask your real question. Asking if anyone uses it doesn't really get us anywhere |
| 07:22.08 | GhostlyDeath | woah, i made make's nice value -10 and it's compiling alot faster |
| 07:22.10 | Vasistha | yigal: that's why dpkg has the "anyone use" factoid ;-) it's just for fun! |
| 07:22.17 | yigal | my question is as stated above: I want to use python binding to listen to lastfm so that I can say I love or hate music rather than just listening to lastfm stream - I want to interact with my music |
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| 07:22.43 | Eclipser | yigal, there's a python script for that already |
| 07:22.44 | xand | get a guitar |
| 07:23.06 | yigal | yes but I don't know how to use it for the cli |
| 07:23.14 | yigal | owell I better just try harder |
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| 07:23.29 | Eclipser | yigal, what exactly is the problem? |
| 07:23.38 | Eclipser | yigal, and do you have the lastfm-control.py? |
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| 07:24.26 | yigal | Eclipser: i had it it, see I moved from Ub. where I couldn't use the python binding to here where I can. what can I do to just listen to lastfm stream using CLI and say I like music and or hate music |
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| 07:24.42 | asad2005 | How can i password protect a folder, i mean even owner will not browse it without the password Is it possible ? |
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| 07:25.18 | yigal | asad: chmod a-rwx lol |
| 07:25.20 | markybob | asad2005: lookup encfs |
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| 07:26.03 | Eclipser | yigal, do you have lastfm plugin? (xmms2 plugin_list | grep lastfm) ? |
| 07:26.04 | dutchfish | yigal, didnt know that ;) |
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| 07:26.31 | yigal | yes |
| 07:26.56 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:27.01 | Eclipser | yigal, and have you successfully listened to a lastfm stream? :) |
| 07:27.08 | yigal | Eclipser: yes |
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| 07:27.19 | Eclipser | good |
| 07:27.30 | Eclipser | yigal, http://eclipser.no-ip.org/lastfm-control.py |
| 07:27.38 | Eclipser | try that |
| 07:27.46 | yigal | Eclipser: ty, I will |
| 07:28.19 | Eclipser | obviously you need working python bindings |
| 07:29.03 | yigal | Eclipser: I have them now, or atleast I believe they are working |
| 07:29.50 | yigal | #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 07:29.51 | yigal | import os, sys |
| 07:29.52 | yigal | import urllib |
| 07:29.57 | yigal | import xmmsclient |
| 07:30.00 | Eclipser | aaa |
| 07:30.02 | Eclipser | don't ! |
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| 07:31.03 | yigal | hello what the |
| 07:31.16 | Eclipser | someone's confused |
| 07:31.28 | yigal | Eclipers: not me I am fine ty |
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| 07:31.35 | Eclipser | :) |
| 07:32.06 | asad2005 | markybob, what is encfs is it a program that i have to install |
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| 07:32.47 | markybob | asad2005: i did say look it up...didnt i? i could've sworn i did because that's usually what i do. c'mon, google once |
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| 07:35.45 | ringo999 | after manually installing java jdk 1.6, what file should i write the classpath to? i.e ~/.bash_profile etc... |
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| 07:38.17 | markybob | ringo999: yes, .bash_profile would do it. |
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| 07:43.31 | debuser | how can i add a script to start up? |
| 07:43.42 | debuser | my script is in /etc/init.d |
| 07:44.02 | cydork | debuser: man update-rc.d |
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| 07:44.12 | debuser | can you give me update-rc.d syntax? |
| 07:44.18 | markybob | debuser: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 07:44.24 | cydork | debuser: the man page has that :) |
| 07:44.35 | debuser | can you? |
| 07:44.40 | debuser | i'm helping someone else |
| 07:45.09 | markybob | or read the link. they both spell it out. |
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| 07:45.10 | cydork | debuser: markybob just gave you that.. |
| 07:45.11 | dav__ | elo |
| 07:45.31 | markybob | cydork: it's amazing how no one can read anything besides irc |
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| 07:46.01 | cydork | markybob: heh. |
| 07:46.05 | dav__ | if i want to have virtual users (with viirtual domain, these user can receive and consult mail) do i need to use mysql or there is another way , |
| 07:46.06 | dav__ | ? |
| 07:47.41 | debuser | my browser is down right now, can you give me the update-rc.d syntax for just adding the valid script to start up? |
| 07:47.55 | dav__ | by example using anything else than /etc/passwd for auth |
| 07:48.10 | markybob | ...right. links, lynx, iceweasel and every other browser is down. |
| 07:48.26 | debuser | ? |
| 07:48.37 | debuser | can you just give me the syntax, thanks |
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| 07:50.08 | markybob | debuser: you lazy punk. two of us pointed you right to the information. read the docs we pointed you to. it's in the channel guidelines for crying out loud. we're not your nanny |
| 07:50.28 | debuser | can you help me, instead of being a tard? |
| 07:50.29 | mikes1 | wooo hoo |
| 07:50.51 | debuser | i'll bet it's a 1 line syntax |
| 07:50.53 | mikes1 | i'm not feeln the love |
| 07:51.11 | markybob | anyone in here like helping out lazy whiners? anyone? |
| 07:51.24 | debuser | how can i add a script to start up? please give me update-rc.d syntax |
| 07:51.36 | cydork | debuser: read the damn man page!!! RTFM RTFM |
| 07:51.39 | peterS | debuser: I'm looking at the manpage right now and you are right, it's not a difficult syntax. something you can probably figure out if _you_ read the same manpage. |
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| 07:52.03 | debuser | no i mean, can you help give me update-rc.d syntax, not that "rtfm" rubbish |
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| 07:52.40 | peterS | debuser: there are two choices: (1) you can read the manpage, or (2) I can read the manpage and then retype it for you. are you really having trouble figuring out why I think (1) is better than (2)? |
| 07:53.18 | PumpkinPie | maybe someone that doesn't need to read the manpage can answer him |
| 07:53.29 | debuser | 2 |
| 07:53.32 | PingFloyd | debuser: just wipe your system and be done with it. |
| 07:53.36 | dutchfish | sorry to interupt, where can i find the latest DDP developers manuals, the ones that help on my way with Etch? |
| 07:53.45 | peterS | PumpkinPie: but then he wouldn't see what the script actually does and, more importantly, what it doesn't do. |
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| 07:54.16 | PumpkinPie | I learn more about whats going on after I see it working |
| 07:54.49 | markybob | PumpkinPie: yeah? like following an article that spells everything out with examples? like the one i linked him to? oh, wait, that's not good enough either, apparently |
| 07:54.54 | cydork | !fish |
| 07:54.54 | dpkg | methinks fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 07:55.36 | dutchfish | so true |
| 07:55.38 | peterS | I prefer the fire variant of that quote |
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| 07:55.53 | peterS | give a man a fire and he will be warm for a night. set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life |
| 07:56.03 | mikes1 | lol |
| 07:56.04 | freakynl | heya, how would i configure vlan's (for auto-start) |
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| 07:56.25 | PumpkinPie | configure vlans on debian? im confused |
| 07:56.39 | peterS | PumpkinPie: if you don't know what a vlan is, that would explain your confusion |
| 07:56.47 | freakynl | :D |
| 07:56.48 | debuser | how can i add a script to start up that's in /etc/init.d? someone that knows the update-rc.d syntax, please help me? |
| 07:56.59 | peterS | debuser: we already told you how to find the answer |
| 07:57.15 | peterS | debuser: now it is just you being lazy and wanting other people to do your work for you so you don't have to learn anything |
| 07:57.20 | debuser | my browser is not working, and i don't have debian, i'm helping someone else |
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| 07:57.35 | PumpkinPie | debuser: try oftc |
| 07:57.38 | debuser | i made that clear :) |
| 07:57.39 | peterS | debuser: tell the person you're helping, who has debian, to read the manual then |
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| 07:57.53 | debuser | he's not english sufficient |
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| 07:57.59 | debuser | please help |
| 07:58.04 | mikes1 | So no one knows the answer I take |
| 07:58.08 | rpc | does anyone know if whoisprivacy costs a fixed amount for global domains or does it differ depending on registrar? or is it even free with some of them? |
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| 07:58.19 | peterS | mikes1: oh, we know, we just don't want to spoon-feed people who should be able to think for themselves |
| 07:58.29 | mikes1 | sad |
| 07:58.35 | PumpkinPie | debuser: I could help you but Id rather type RTFM |
| 07:58.36 | freakynl | anyone on the vlan start-up config? |
| 07:58.37 | peterS | isn't it? |
| 07:58.44 | debuser | let me make this clear once again |
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| 07:58.50 | markybob | debuser this is getting ridiculous. please stop |
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| 07:59.01 | debuser | my browser is at a SIGSEGV state for some reason, and i don't want to restart or do anything about it |
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| 07:59.10 | debuser | and i'm helping an english/bash insufficient friend |
| 07:59.16 | debuser | please give me the update-rc.d syntax |
| 07:59.28 | peterS | debuser: your friend should give you access to a Debian machine if he expects you to help him with a Debian question |
| 07:59.45 | markybob | debuser: then user linx, links, or whatever other browser you want. not all browsers are giving you sigsegv |
| 07:59.58 | markybob | s/user/use |
| 08:00.08 | PumpkinPie | I can answer any debian question... |
| 08:00.21 | jetscreamer | what does firefox or browser being hung have to do with updaterc |
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| 08:00.36 | PumpkinPie | jetscreamer: rtfm |
| 08:00.38 | debuser | how can i add a script to start up that's in /etc/init.d? someone that knows the update-rc.d syntax, please help me? |
| 08:00.41 | markybob | jetscreamer: it's his excuse for not reading the docs that he's been pointed to |
| 08:00.44 | freakynl | PumpkinPie: care elaborating on vlan setup? :p |
| 08:00.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: someone told him to RTFM, which he can't because he doesn't have a debian box, so someone else told him to see a tutorial web page, which he can't do because he doesn't have a web browser |
| 08:00.52 | dutchfish | PumpkinPie, whats the name for the next release of debian, par example? |
| 08:00.54 | jelly-home | PumpkinPie: If etch could chuck wood, how much wood would etch chuck? |
| 08:01.03 | PumpkinPie | freakynl: rtfm |
| 08:01.05 | PumpkinPie | dutchfish: rtfm |
| 08:01.07 | peterS | jetscreamer: whatever we tell him, other than "here is the exact syntax you need", he will find an excuse not to do |
| 08:01.19 | jetscreamer | PumpkinPie: if i gather everything correctly from the short time i've been here, i think my response should be 'blow me' |
| 08:01.47 | peterS | debuser: no need to repeat your question, we heard you the first two or three times |
| 08:01.57 | debuser | ok peterS and PumpkinPie, you're on ignore |
| 08:02.00 | debuser | how can i add a script to start up that's in /etc/init.d? someone that knows the update-rc.d syntax, please help me? |
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| 08:02.09 | peterS | I told you not to repeat |
| 08:02.09 | jetscreamer | ooopsies |
| 08:02.26 | Zancat | haha |
| 08:02.33 | Bedo | debuser: it's not peterS fault, you _really_ need to RTFM |
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| 08:03.24 | rahul | whoa, it's sunday? |
| 08:03.24 | markybob | peterS: i'll buy you a beer for that if you're ever in brazil... :) |
| 08:03.25 | peterS | markybob: noted (: |
| 08:03.25 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 08:03.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 08:04.18 | peterS | rahul: yeah, it's been a short week, already Sunday again |
| 08:04.37 | rahul | does that mean I don't have to work today? heh |
| 08:04.42 | peterS | maybe |
| 08:04.56 | rahul | well, yesterday WAS a holiday |
| 08:05.05 | jetscreamer | it was? |
| 08:05.06 | freakynl | PumpkinPie: look i don't mind reading manuals, i'm just not a debian/ubuntu users, so could you please tell me where to find the manual? I would be very happy then... |
| 08:05.14 | rahul | yep |
| 08:05.24 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/doc sometimes |
| 08:05.29 | peterS | hmmm, no need to bloat the channel +q list, I'm guessing he won't be back soon anyway |
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| 08:05.36 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@75.42.5.14] by peterS |
| 08:05.37 | rahul | freakynl: if you don't use debian, then you shouldn't be here |
| 08:05.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 08:05.45 | jetscreamer | that wasn't +q it was +b |
| 08:05.48 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 08:05.55 | rahul | jetscreamer: +b % is +q |
| 08:05.56 | dutchfish | where can i find the latest DDP developers manuals, the ones that help on my way with Etch? |
| 08:05.58 | peterS | jetscreamer: you don't know how +q is implemented, do you? |
| 08:06.06 | jetscreamer | no no idea |
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| 08:06.17 | peterS | +q foo is the same as +b %foo |
| 08:06.18 | xjkx | to install jre on debian is just apt-get install jre? |
| 08:06.25 | peterS | you can specify it to the server either way |
| 08:06.32 | jetscreamer | o |
| 08:06.40 | rahul | !java |
| 08:06.41 | markybob | xjkx: sun-java5-jre ...for example |
| 08:06.41 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 08:06.44 | jetscreamer | xjkx: the package name is longer, apt-cache search it |
| 08:06.44 | freakynl | i run gentoo our vmware server runs debian, i'm not familiar with it should i phrase everything in dumb-ass moron safe asshole proof syntax or would it be easier for you in my native language? |
| 08:06.49 | telmich | hoi guys, you already know that the locales package is broken in sid? |
| 08:07.06 | peterS | jetscreamer: the difference is that +q doesn't prevent someone from joining, only speaking. +b prevents both, though it doesn't kick you off if you're already on |
| 08:07.08 | jetscreamer | telmich: still? |
| 08:07.09 | SlayerXP | freakynl: if you have a debian question, please ask it. |
| 08:07.15 | fengor | freakynl: if its about the init script try googling or read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 08:07.20 | telmich | jetscreamer: at least about 20 minutes ago I checked |
| 08:07.21 | jetscreamer | i've noticed the not kick |
| 08:07.27 | jetscreamer | telmich: oh ok |
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| 08:07.39 | jetscreamer | wrong dependency i believe |
| 08:07.45 | rahul | freakynl: great way to get help. |
| 08:07.47 | freakynl | i just need to know how to setup vlan's (by start-up scripts) i don't mind reading manuals, i just have a hard time finding them |
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| 08:08.04 | lamer007 | hey guys to install nvidia driver is enough to just apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 ( assuming its my kernel ) ? |
| 08:08.04 | peterS | telmich: it is broken because the i386 build of libc6 2.5-2 has not been uploaded to the archive yet |
| 08:08.07 | jetscreamer | libc6 supplies glibwhatever but it's depending on glib explicitly |
| 08:08.09 | freakynl | rahul: plz read up... ppl in this channel don't have a very friendly status with me at the moment |
| 08:08.21 | rahul | freakynl: because you're a tard |
| 08:08.24 | jetscreamer | lamer007: there is a -glx package also |
| 08:08.25 | telmich | peterS: ah, ok. so I may expect it to work in some hours? |
| 08:08.27 | rahul | wtf |
| 08:08.27 | xjkx | ok, i have Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 its the latest? :D |
| 08:08.43 | markybob | xjkx: in stable, yes. testing and sid have 6 |
| 08:08.47 | daemonicus_ | hi |
| 08:08.50 | daemonicus_ | can someone give me a repository list for debian etch,with restricted repo included and multimedia repo??? |
| 08:08.51 | jetscreamer | telmich: it's been >24 already all i know |
| 08:08.55 | peterS | telmich: you can expect it to work in stable or testing. unstable often suffers from these kinds of synchronisation problems, but they are (almost) never present in testing or stable |
| 08:08.58 | LegolasV | xjkx: no 6 is the latest official release but not in apt |
| 08:09.04 | freakynl | yes, and you are very qualified to make that assumption... if you guys hate helping ppl so much, perhaps you should move to #debian-we-dont-want-to-help-noobies or something |
| 08:09.05 | lamer007 | jetscreamer, so both of them and ill be fine ? because I installed them, I can modprobe nvidia, I have nvidia in xorg.conf but when starting X it errors with no driver found |
| 08:09.08 | jelly-home | freakynl: the easiest way doesn't use init scripts at all, just set up interfaces like eth0.vlan-number /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:09.11 | xjkx | shouldnt it be? :/ |
| 08:09.13 | peterS | telmich: I don't know when the i386 build will be uploaded. it was built yesterday or the day before |
| 08:09.16 | jetscreamer | lamer007: all i know is there are two packages |
| 08:09.26 | lamer007 | ok, thanks :) |
| 08:09.26 | telmich | peterS: ok. |
| 08:09.32 | freakynl | jelly-home: thanks :) |
| 08:09.47 | rahul | freakynl: plenty of people get help. we don't like helping people who try to be difficult and insulting |
| 08:10.02 | freakynl | rahul: i didn't start with the insults |
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| 08:10.30 | peterS | telmich: technically the problem is that 'locales' is specified for "Architecture: all" which means it is _not_ built on each architecture, only built once, from the glibc source package. so 'locales' is from a newer build than the rest of the libc6 packages, if you're on most architectures like i386. they are in sync only for the amd64, s390 and sparc architectures, which have already provided glibc 2.5-2. |
| 08:10.34 | jetscreamer | !nl |
| 08:10.34 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 08:10.37 | rahul | freakynl: you came out of no where and implied that I was a moron |
| 08:10.37 | daemonicus_ | guyz.plz????someone with an etch repository list??? |
| 08:10.56 | rahul | freakynl: because you said you don't use debian but need help |
| 08:11.05 | jelly-home | freakynl: if you have installed the vlan package, man -k vlan would really have been an appropriate answer |
| 08:11.09 | jetscreamer | daemonicus_: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list remember it's only an example |
| 08:11.26 | jetscreamer | !tell daemonicus_ -about punctuation |
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| 08:11.36 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 08:11.45 | rahul | jelly-home: but he's a gentoo user, so I guess that's an excuse for not knowing how to use man |
| 08:11.54 | jelly-home | rahul: no, he's not |
| 08:12.01 | daemonicus_ | thanx jetscreamer |
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| 08:12.08 | jelly-home | rahul: he's a gentoo AND debian user |
| 08:12.11 | peterS | no need for gratuitous name-calling. keep the name-calling specific, please. "all gentoo users are idiots" is not even true |
| 08:12.20 | rahul | 04:06 < freakynl> i run gentoo [...] |
| 08:12.23 | jetscreamer | [03.07.32] <freakynl> i run gentoo our vmware server runs debian, ... |
| 08:12.26 | lamer007 | me too |
| 08:12.28 | jelly-home | rahul: and after that? |
| 08:12.34 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:12.39 | jelly-home | rahul: moron |
| 08:12.42 | rahul | jelly-home: somehow that was an excuse for not knowing how to read docs |
| 08:12.46 | brendonjt | got a usb drive just formatted it but under a normal user i don't have write permissions |
| 08:12.49 | telmich | peterS: I'm on i386/sid |
| 08:12.50 | enouf | !tell daemonicus_ -about dmm |
| 08:12.54 | brendonjt | how can i change the permissions |
| 08:13.00 | jetscreamer | !tell brendonjt -about rwvfat |
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| 08:13.25 | jelly-home | I really hate how people here start bashing with no reason. |
| 08:13.36 | pearl | !tell pearl -about lenny |
| 08:13.37 | jetscreamer | we've been infected |
| 08:13.38 | pearl | :)) |
| 08:13.39 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
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| 08:13.52 | jetscreamer | but nobody notices |
| 08:13.59 | SlayerXP | it doesn't matter if he run debian under vmware under windows under wine, if he has a debian question he can ask a debian question. |
| 08:13.59 | rahul | jelly-home: hey, he was bashing ME because I told him to pay attention to the fact that his problem was being discussed by half the people talking in the chan |
| 08:13.59 | rcbarnes | Anyone here know a good framebuffer image viewer? |
| 08:14.03 | jetscreamer | except me, but i'm ignored until it's too late |
| 08:14.16 | rcbarnes | Both one for raster and on fore .svg |
| 08:14.20 | rcbarnes | s/fore/for/ |
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| 08:14.37 | rahul | jelly-home: his excuse was that he uses gentoo. whatever that means. |
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| 08:14.53 | peterS | you know what, just drop it |
| 08:15.00 | brendonjt | before i did a reinstall i didn't have to set the write permissions in the fstab |
| 08:15.01 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 08:15.15 | brendonjt | as it is a usb drive |
| 08:15.15 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: ok |
| 08:15.33 | jetscreamer | !lastword jelly-home |
| 08:15.44 | jelly-home | man vlan-config instead of a generic rtfm is a bit more helpful |
| 08:15.47 | jetscreamer | hmmm.. virgin territory |
| 08:15.49 | rahul | so don't attack me because some lamer thinks he's above reading the docs he's been pointed to. kthx. |
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| 08:16.29 | jetscreamer | you two should get a room |
| 08:16.31 | jetscreamer | !room |
| 08:16.32 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 08:16.39 | DimmuR | can any1 point me for software that help me wipe all harddisk (i need to wipe files and freespace and i need it to be unrecoverable)? |
| 08:16.53 | Gnea | !any1 |
| 08:16.54 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 08:16.56 | markybob | DimmuR: secure-delete or wipe |
| 08:16.58 | SlayerXP | DimmuR: you'll need a large hammer. |
| 08:17.01 | jetscreamer | DimmuR: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/whatever |
| 08:17.06 | rcbarnes | DimmuR: you can always cat /dev/random over it a couple times... |
| 08:17.08 | Gnea | DimmuR: low-level format. |
| 08:17.20 | rahul | heh, none of that will be enough |
| 08:17.24 | markybob | DimmuR: this works, too http://dban.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:17.34 | freakynl | jelly-home: thanks man that was all i was looking for |
| 08:17.34 | SlayerXP | Gnea: there's no such thing as low level formatting these days |
| 08:17.37 | rahul | the NSA can recover data from all those solutions |
| 08:17.38 | jetscreamer | write zeros to the drive multiple times |
| 08:17.40 | rahul | SlayerXP: sure there is |
| 08:17.43 | Gnea | SlayerXP: wanna bet? |
| 08:17.49 | SlayerXP | gnea: errm, okay. |
| 08:17.52 | jetscreamer | use a very large electromagnet on it |
| 08:17.55 | jetscreamer | very very large |
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| 08:18.04 | rahul | you need to overwrite 3 times to get around the NSA |
| 08:18.22 | peterS | using /dev/random for this will be an exercise in frustration - it will take _forever_ to complete, for want of entropy |
| 08:18.27 | jetscreamer | and after you do all that, drop it in a vat of acid or molten steel |
| 08:18.35 | peterS | you don't need cryptographically strong random data for this, you just need white noise |
| 08:18.50 | SlayerXP | Gnea: a low level format refers to changing the disk layout in terms of cylinders and sectors. |
| 08:18.55 | rcbarnes | DimmuR: try this `for i in $(seq 8); do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/drivename; done' |
| 08:18.58 | jetscreamer | follow my instructions to the letter and you will not be dissappointed |
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| 08:19.01 | DimmuR | jetscreamer: i cant use it (even if i have access to) i cant take hdd outside the building |
| 08:19.03 | jetscreamer | except by my spelling |
| 08:19.10 | peterS | rcbarnes: please don't suggest /dev/random, for the reason I just mentioned |
| 08:19.16 | DimmuR | thanks for answers |
| 08:19.18 | peterS | rcbarnes: perhaps /dev/urandom is what you meant? |
| 08:19.26 | rcbarnes | peterS: I said urandom, didn't I? |
| 08:19.31 | Dewi | hmm. I upgraded my kernel to current etch, and suddely eth0 is eth2 |
| 08:19.35 | peterS | rcbarnes: oh I can't read |
| 08:19.35 | Dewi | there is no eth0 or eth1 now |
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| 08:19.38 | Dewi | what's the deal? |
| 08:19.41 | giupy | hi all |
| 08:19.43 | dutchfish | why not use /deb/null as source for this? can anyone comment this? |
| 08:19.47 | Dewi | is there some way to reset the order to something sensible? |
| 08:19.47 | jetscreamer | but write zero's >3 times should do most of what you want ... only once for casual users |
| 08:19.53 | rcbarnes | peterS: It's a common affliction---I get it occasionally :-P |
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| 08:19.56 | peterS | dutchfish: /dev/null will give no data so nothing will be written at all |
| 08:19.58 | rahul | dutchfish: /dev/null gives EOF immediately |
| 08:20.01 | peterS | dutchfish: maybe you meant /dev/zero? |
| 08:20.10 | rahul | /dev/zero might be enough |
| 08:20.13 | dutchfish | peterS, sorry yes |
| 08:20.27 | jetscreamer | i said random... :/ |
| 08:20.30 | peterS | dutchfish: the reason not to use /dev/zero is that a pattern of all zeroes (or all ones) is probably easier to "see through" than white noise would be |
| 08:20.32 | rcbarnes | dutchfish: because it takes fewer passes for (thermal) entropy to totally obliterate if you use random data |
| 08:20.36 | jetscreamer | but i said zero too |
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| 08:20.43 | Gnea | SlayerXP: so perhaps a combo of zeros and low-level formatting a few times in a row, in that order, could possibly be secure enough |
| 08:20.44 | SlayerXP | Gnea: back in the good old days of MFM and RLL drives you couldn't do all kind of neat stuff to optimise the sector layout to get better throughput for your data. |
| 08:20.44 | giupy | i have sid and lilo properly installed with 2 kernel, 2.6.20 and 2.6.18, they don't want to boot with kernel panic: "/init can't open /scripts/funciotns" , what does it mean? |
| 08:20.49 | dutchfish | ic |
| 08:20.55 | jetscreamer | writing zeros IS lowlevel formatting |
| 08:20.55 | dutchfish | thx |
| 08:21.00 | SlayerXP | gnea: you _cannot_ low level format a modern dhard disk. |
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| 08:21.10 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:21.26 | Gnea | SlayerXP: even if it's SCSI? |
| 08:21.28 | jetscreamer | well you can't set the interleave anymore at least |
| 08:21.29 | SlayerXP | jetscreamer: no, it's writing zeros. LLF refers to modifying the disk layout in terms of cylinders and sectors. |
| 08:21.46 | SlayerXP | Gnea: yup |
| 08:21.51 | rcbarnes | So... anyone have thoughts on the framebuffer image viewer? |
| 08:22.04 | Gnea | SlayerXP: funny, considering nearly all scsi controllers have a low-level format option. |
| 08:22.14 | Gnea | at least, any scsi controller of quality |
| 08:22.18 | Dewi | can anyone explain how ifconfig could show eth2 but no eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 08:22.20 | jetscreamer | SlayerXP: are you sure you weren't referring to interleaving there? |
| 08:22.22 | Dewi | ifconfig -a even |
| 08:22.23 | rahul | my scsi controller has an LLF option |
| 08:22.30 | jetscreamer | SlayerXP: i'm not up on it at all though |
| 08:22.33 | Gnea | Dewi: sounds like a udev issue |
| 08:22.37 | SlayerXP | jetscreamer: yes. the interleave is just one other variable you can set. |
| 08:22.40 | dutchfish | ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 08:22.45 | peterS | rcbarnes: 'apt-cache search fb image viewer' only has a couple of hits - try them |
| 08:22.46 | rcbarnes | Dewi: -a only applies to interfaces that have the auto option set |
| 08:23.03 | Dewi | rcbarnes: well eth2 certainly doesn't; it doesn't even exist |
| 08:23.06 | peterS | rcbarnes: it's not something I've ever really wanted to do so I can't be more specific |
| 08:23.07 | SlayerXP | Gnea: "low level formatting" has lost its real meaning, except to people like me old enough to remember when it meant something else :) |
| 08:23.11 | Dewi | rcbarnes: how can I see the rest then? |
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| 08:23.32 | rcbarnes | peterS: I was mostly hoping to find recommendations before installing a bunch of apps |
| 08:23.46 | rcbarnes | but, eh. Bandwidth is cheap... :-P |
| 08:23.49 | rahul | SlayerXP: huh? that's nonsense... have you used a scsi drive? |
| 08:23.53 | Dewi | Gnea: it's also an upgrade issue... I just upgraded to etch stable and suddenly I have an eth2... which seems odd because I don't think I have 3 NICs |
| 08:23.54 | jetscreamer | ok then let me rephrase: 'low level format' utilities from some hd manufacturers, like wd, the functionality is the same as doing dd if=/dev/zero |
| 08:23.56 | peterS | rcbarnes: right, if apt-cache had returned a buttload of hits it wouldn't be too useful, but it only returns a single hit that looks promising |
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| 08:24.13 | ringo999 | using aptitude to install the eclipse package, how can i figure out which location it is installed to (if for example i want to add a plugin)? |
| 08:24.28 | rahul | jetscreamer: no, they also re-align the sector and cylinder boundaries |
| 08:24.32 | Dewi | ringo999: dpkg has something like -list-files |
| 08:24.35 | Dewi | ringo999: see man dpkg |
| 08:24.36 | Gnea | SlayerXP: the basic premise is that if i want to sell a hard drive and i only reformat it with a filesystem, data can still be recovered by whoever i sell it to. if i LLF it first, then format, the chances of data being recoverable after that are how great? |
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| 08:25.00 | peterS | Gnea: depends on how much money the recipient is prepared to spend getting your data |
| 08:25.00 | jetscreamer | !info shred |
| 08:25.03 | Gnea | Dewi: what make/model is the nic? |
| 08:25.17 | ringo999 | Dewi: but aptitude doesnt? |
| 08:25.17 | peterS | Gnea: if they don't think your data is worth at least a few hundred US$, you are safe |
| 08:25.25 | jelly-home | freakynl: also, try and see if your vlans will work after reboot. Some drivers (tg3) have race condition issues with setting up vlans, they don't work properly if configured before the link is up. If that's the case, you need to add a pragma like "post-up sleep 10" to the main interface setup in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 08:25.28 | Gnea | peterS: grep costs money? |
| 08:25.32 | Dewi | Gnea: some onboard one. So either marvell or nvidia. I think I have both on this board and I can never remember which is which |
| 08:25.32 | rahul | ringo999: aptitude is a higher level tool |
| 08:25.44 | rcbarnes | peterS: Yeah. I thought there might be something useful outside apt that people might know and thought I'd ask (though that's not technically a distro question, this channel's a little less... ricer(meant in a non-racial way)... than Gentoo, and more populated than the other distros) |
| 08:25.45 | peterS | Gnea: if you write zeroes, you defeat grep. we're talking about hardware tools that really do cost money |
| 08:25.52 | SlayerXP | Gnea: if someone is determined enough, they'll get data |
| 08:25.53 | Dewi | ringo999: dunno |
| 08:25.55 | Gnea | Dewi: try disabling the nic in bios and see what happens |
| 08:26.13 | Dewi | ringo999: the "apt" stuff is really about delivery of packages, the serious package management is handled by dpkg underneath |
| 08:26.16 | Gnea | SlayerXP: i'm not arguing that :) |
| 08:26.28 | jetscreamer | (/usr/bin/shred) in utils/coreutils |
| 08:26.28 | SlayerXP | Gnea: i worked for a company that required hard drives to be securely destroyed when they failed |
| 08:26.37 | Dewi | Gnea: I want to use the NIC. |
| 08:26.44 | Dewi | Gnea: I just don't really get why it's suddenly eth2 |
| 08:26.46 | Gnea | peterS: right. |
| 08:26.50 | peterS | rcbarnes: my philosophy: if it isn't in debian unstable, it doesn't exist. (: |
| 08:27.01 | Dewi | Gnea: and where are eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 08:27.01 | rcbarnes | peterS: :-P |
| 08:27.05 | peterS | rcbarnes: we have 20000 packages so that's not as silly as it sounds.. |
| 08:27.06 | Gnea | Dewi: disable it for now, see what happens. |
| 08:27.12 | SlayerXP | Gnea: when a hard disk failed, we would book the warranty replacement, carefully disassemble the drive, remove the platters and then grind the platters to dust. the dust was bagged and returned with the hard disk chassis. |
| 08:27.15 | xopher | Does anyone here know how to change the icon of a folder via cmdline? [gnome] |
| 08:27.19 | jetscreamer | shred: Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order to make it harder for even very expensive hardware probing to recover the data |
| 08:27.20 | rcbarnes | peterS: what's the number in stable? |
| 08:27.21 | Dewi | Gnea: well probably I'll go from having 1 nic to having none, won't I? |
| 08:27.31 | Gnea | Dewi: is the system remote? |
| 08:27.37 | rcbarnes | (I guess I could google that, actually.) |
| 08:27.45 | peterS | rcbarnes: since etch was just released, probably close to that. hmmm, popcon.debian.org probably knows |
| 08:27.47 | rahul | jetscreamer: but that works above the FS level |
| 08:27.51 | Dewi | Gnea: it was until I plugged the monitor/keyboard in to see what was happening |
| 08:27.53 | Dewi | :P |
| 08:28.05 | rahul | jetscreamer: although I guess you could run it on the disk device itself |
| 08:28.23 | Gnea | SlayerXP: you're not from the states ;) |
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| 08:28.41 | jetscreamer | no idea. ok. vat of acid, or molten steel? |
| 08:28.51 | Dewi | Gnea: I just have this fear that if I start treating this thing like eth2 permanently, when there is no eth0 or eth1 keeping it there, it might one day decide to collapse back to the first slot |
| 08:28.58 | peterS | rcbarnes: on your debian stable system, type 'apt-cache search . | wc -l', I suppose |
| 08:28.59 | jetscreamer | i think the steel might be faster and more secure |
| 08:29.05 | Dewi | Gnea: does udev store state somewhere? Somewhere I should refresh after this kind of kernel update? |
| 08:29.13 | jetscreamer | but the acid is portable |
| 08:29.16 | Gnea | Dewi: yeah... i'm trying to recall where |
| 08:29.18 | rahul | I think a nuclear reactor is better |
| 08:29.36 | jetscreamer | not very portable though |
| 08:30.42 | rcbarnes | damn... 18k Nice. |
| 08:30.42 | rahul | this is why we need to build more nuclear power plants. so people can dispose of their drives. |
| 08:30.42 | Dewi | rcbarnes: I think the bot knows |
| 08:30.42 | elefth | has anyone got the multimedia URL for etch apt/sources.list? (with mplayer etc) |
| 08:30.43 | rcbarnes | bbiab |
| 08:30.43 | rahul | jetscreamer: if there's one in each state, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 08:30.43 | jetscreamer | yes many ppl do elefth |
| 08:30.43 | markybob | elefth: debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:30.43 | giupy | i have sid and lilo properly installed with 2 kernel, 2.6.20 and 2.6.18, they don't want to boot with kernel panic: "/init can't open /scripts/funciotns" , what does it mean? i have never seen that line, can it be a bug like this? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/238143 |
| 08:30.43 | liable | rcbarnes: .au? |
| 08:30.43 | Gnea | Dewi: try /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 08:30.43 | jetscreamer | !tell elefth -about marillat |
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| 08:30.59 | elefth | markybob, jetscreamer ah thanks (it is not for me, someone asks in #debian.gr) |
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| 08:31.23 | Gnea | Dewi: i'm pretty sure the bot knows too, i'm just too lazy to sift through it :) |
| 08:31.48 | liable | Dewi: ya, that file is usually the cause of nic naming headaches, delete it (after reading of course) and it'll get remade at next boot |
| 08:31.58 | jetscreamer | #deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 08:32.11 | liable | without the # |
| 08:32.28 | rahul | leave the hash for me |
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| 08:32.38 | jetscreamer | i 'hope' they can at least figure 'that' out |
| 08:33.02 | liable | drugs are bad mmkay? |
| 08:33.03 | markybob | blah...great. now you know he's gonna come in here in five minutes asking why his packages cant be authenticated. that's why you send him to the site instead, so he'll hopefully read the faq there and save us the trouble |
| 08:33.06 | Dewi | liable: yeah, it was full of stuff, probably because these nvidia NICs are a bit flaky and linux constantly assigns them new MACs |
| 08:33.19 | jetscreamer | hmm gooid point marky |
| 08:33.22 | peterS | rcbarnes: note, btw, that counting _source_ packages is more honest than counting _binary_ packages. sometimes a single source tarball is split into a dozen or more binary packages, for technical reasons, even though most people would look at it and say that's one piece of software. to count source packages: grep -h ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources | sort -u | wc -l |
| 08:33.25 | jetscreamer | good, even |
| 08:33.26 | liable | Dewi: wtf? assigns different macs? |
| 08:33.45 | peterS | rcbarnes: (unstable and experimental together have 11548 source packages, by that count) |
| 08:34.44 | jetscreamer | wonder if my 7gig .7z file is done yet |
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| 08:35.16 | peterS | jetscreamer: should've used .3z format so it would only take up 3gig |
| 08:35.35 | liable | what if you use 77z format? |
| 08:35.44 | peterS | liable: then you need lots more free disk |
| 08:35.46 | liable | compresses it to 77G |
| 08:35.54 | dutchfish | is it possible to make knownhosts keys in .shh hardware dependend on generation? |
| 08:36.09 | jetscreamer | nope it's not :/ the sourcefiles were 7g... a client's kid's docs. the music was 18gigs. |
| 08:36.14 | peterS | dutchfish: what do you mean "hardware dependent on generation"? |
| 08:36.24 | rahul | dutchfish: no. it depends on the other host. |
| 08:36.33 | jetscreamer | all itunes and .mp4's |
| 08:36.37 | rahul | you can't control another host's host key |
| 08:36.40 | dutchfish | rahul, of coarse thx, yes |
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| 08:36.59 | liable | who is a carpenter? |
| 08:37.01 | enouf | All modern hard disks use Zoned Bit Recording |
| 08:37.04 | rahul | jesus |
| 08:37.07 | jelly-home | liable: john is |
| 08:37.08 | jetscreamer | hay-suess |
| 08:37.14 | peterS | mary chapin is |
| 08:37.17 | rahul | dr seuss? |
| 08:37.22 | jetscreamer | jesus |
| 08:37.25 | rcbarnes | peterS: Hm. |
| 08:37.29 | enouf | Sector layout is non-adjustable |
| 08:37.30 | jetscreamer | but en espanol |
| 08:37.31 | liable | no no no, i need some carpentry advise |
| 08:37.33 | rahul | green eggs and hamsters? |
| 08:37.36 | peterS | liable: like what? |
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| 08:37.46 | Dewi | liable: yep. it's really quite annoying. These NICs (I've had a few now) get to a certain point in their lives when they decide the MAC is 01:23:45:67:89 etc |
| 08:37.48 | rcbarnes | :-D |
| 08:37.57 | Dewi | liable: and linux goes "what! invalid!" and assigns a randomised MAC, each boot |
| 08:38.20 | liable | Dewi: yikes, never heard of that before |
| 08:38.24 | Dewi | liable: so I have to override it in my /etc/network/interfaces to get sanity back |
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| 08:38.49 | Dewi | liable: took me quite a few rounds of setting up my DHCP server and assuming I was making a mistake, before I figured out what was going on |
| 08:39.00 | Dewi | liable: particularly since I don't, as a rule, reboot very often at all |
| 08:39.07 | enouf | liable: ? |
| 08:39.11 | giupy | wich are the limitations of chroot ? what i can't do with it ? |
| 08:39.22 | peterS | liable: if you're going to be offtopic, just ask your carpentry question already and get it over with |
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| 08:39.53 | enouf | giupy: netter question incolces schroot |
| 08:39.54 | liable | peterS: i need to shave some off the end of some ceiling joists, seeing as its only a small amount (trying to get them all to be in a line) i guess chisseling is the way to go, but i am not sure how easy it is to chisel across the grain |
| 08:39.54 | zenbum | chroot will not make an omelette |
| 08:40.00 | enouf | er involves* |
| 08:40.03 | rahul | it won't even break eggs |
| 08:40.04 | liable | peterS: be patient! i am a slow typer |
| 08:40.10 | Dewi | Gnea / liable : w00t! deleting that file has reset stuff back to normal - thanks guys |
| 08:40.16 | ivalladt | giupy: the chroot can't run a different kernel |
| 08:40.18 | enouf | nor start your toaster, nor jacuzzi |
| 08:40.21 | rahul | chisel across the grain? |
| 08:40.24 | rahul | hah! |
| 08:40.24 | peterS | liable: hmmm, not easy at all, even with soft wood. a chop saw is what you want |
| 08:40.29 | enouf | never |
| 08:40.32 | DimmuR | thanks all for answers i decided to use dd and urandom |
| 08:40.36 | liable | peterS: this is hard wood |
| 08:40.55 | enouf | yeah ..and? ..like my noggin |
| 08:40.59 | giupy | for example, i don't have permission to /dev/null and mbr |
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| 08:41.04 | liable | peterS: problem is i only want to take a few mm of of a couple, 5 at the max |
| 08:41.15 | Dewi | giupy: everyone has permission to use /dev/null |
| 08:41.16 | rahul | enouf: you missed a great party |
| 08:41.21 | enouf | liable: and? |
| 08:41.25 | zenbum | this is why I love #debian... free carpentry tips |
| 08:41.26 | peterS | liable: a chop saw will do 2 mm at a time if you're careful. not so easy to do that with other tools |
| 08:41.28 | enouf | rahul: you stink! .. |
| 08:41.29 | rahul | enouf: Jay Sulzberger was there. |
| 08:41.30 | enouf | :-p |
| 08:41.36 | Dewi | giupy: at least I thought they did |
| 08:41.40 | freakynl | DimmuR: that might be very slow... why not use badblocks? |
| 08:41.42 | giupy | Dewi it seems not, i'm using knoppix and chroot for my debina on hd |
| 08:41.42 | rahul | enouf: yeah, I haven't had a shower in a while... |
| 08:42.00 | liable | peterS: ok, i have a chop saw |
| 08:42.03 | enouf | rahul: no, that was me .. wearing a disguise .. guess i pulled it off :-P |
| 08:42.08 | rahul | heh |
| 08:42.11 | liable | thats the rectangle on isnt it? |
| 08:42.18 | liable | enouf: what are you on about? |
| 08:42.23 | rahul | that would be quite a disguise. |
| 08:42.25 | peterS | liable: if it's big enough to handle the joist, that's what I'd use. you may have to chop twice, flipping the board between, if the saw blade isn't wide enough |
| 08:42.31 | giupy | i'm using apt-get dist-upgrade an i recive that error, /dev/null permission denied and upgrade stop |
| 08:42.31 | enouf | liable: I hope it's not a 8x20 beam ..lol |
| 08:42.50 | liable | enouf: 4x2 |
| 08:43.04 | enouf | liable: ok .. that's a standard 2x4 .. ok |
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| 08:43.09 | enouf | liable: chopsaw |
| 08:43.14 | liable | peterS: cant flip, its fixed to the, um, roof ;) |
| 08:43.19 | enouf | hahaa |
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| 08:43.32 | enouf | liable: roflmao |
| 08:43.32 | dutchfish | liable, course sandpaper on a wooden block will do nicely |
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| 08:43.42 | liable | dutchfish: not in a million years |
| 08:43.45 | DimmuR | freakynl: it can take even week it's important to be good |
| 08:43.47 | peterS | dutchfish: that'll take awhile though, with hard wood, on the end.. |
| 08:43.49 | rahul | heh |
| 08:43.59 | enouf | liable: why do you want to take off 5mm from a 2x4 attached to the roof? |
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| 08:44.04 | zenbum | object oriented woodworking |
| 08:44.11 | peterS | liable: so wait - the ceiling joist is already on the ceiling and can't be taken down for the trimming job? |
| 08:44.25 | liable | let me take a photo |
| 08:44.30 | liable | gimme 5 |
| 08:44.33 | dutchfish | liable, or use a small electric 1 |
| 08:44.38 | peterS | liable: getting the chop saw into position to do the job might be interesting then. a handheld circular saw might work, but with only a couple mm at a time that's a bit dicey |
| 08:44.41 | enouf | liable: you want to take a bow out of a horizontal member? |
| 08:45.09 | zenbum | my horizontal member bows too... I sympathize |
| 08:45.24 | enouf | liable: a 2"x4"x10' ? |
| 08:45.27 | peterS | zenbum: but unlike what we're talking about, yours isn't hard |
| 08:45.45 | sussudio | http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,477537,00.html 'Crazed Hare' Attacks Austrian Couple < it's not like i haven't warned people about bunnies. |
| 08:45.47 | enouf | my appendage sometimes droops :-( |
| 08:45.47 | peterS | hard wood, I mean |
| 08:46.05 | enouf | nasty fangs! |
| 08:46.10 | peterS | snaaaaake |
| 08:46.18 | enouf | gnashing tetth |
| 08:46.44 | |rouemirc| | Why doesn't the FileZilla package in Debian have FTPS support? |
| 08:47.16 | zenbum | "RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!" |
| 08:47.39 | peterS | sussudio: say, do you still have a log of #debian september 2003? mine is incomplete and I wanted to look at something that I don't have |
| 08:47.49 | liable | enouf: sec getting picture |
| 08:48.00 | sussudio | peterS: yes |
| 08:48.05 | enouf | what kind of a laden swallow? |
| 08:48.09 | enouf | liable: no prob |
| 08:48.15 | peterS | sussudio: can I download it from you somehow? |
| 08:48.20 | sussudio | not really |
| 08:48.25 | zenbum | enouf: you swallow? |
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| 08:48.41 | sussudio | it's 10MB gzipped |
| 08:49.29 | enouf | zenbum: certain female excretions .. sure :-p |
| 08:49.58 | enouf | zenbum: don't you like warm honey in the morning? |
| 08:49.58 | zenbum | what a great language... nouns can be verbs, verbs can be excretions |
| 08:50.46 | enouf | ... damned swifts .. lol |
| 08:51.23 | peterS | sussudio: if you find that you have 10 MB of spare bandwidth some time, I'd appreciate being able to get a copy of that file one way or another.. |
| 08:51.40 | zenbum | sadly, I am a single man... a warm honey is feasible, but getting her to stay til morning costs extra |
| 08:51.45 | enouf | 2003? hrmm .. senses schillingness |
| 08:51.49 | sussudio | peterS: it's not one file, it's by day |
| 08:52.09 | enouf | zenbum: those are not the drinkable types ;-) |
| 08:52.15 | peterS | sussudio: ahh - 6 Sept through 18 Sept is what I'm interested in |
| 08:52.53 | rahul | zenbum: really? |
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| 08:53.04 | rahul | zenbum: the ones you don't pay stay till morning |
| 08:53.33 | zenbum | really? there are some you don't have to pay? intriguing... |
| 08:53.57 | yang | is it "illegal" to register debian.tld domain names? |
| 08:53.58 | enouf | I buy mine .. outright .. cash only ;-) |
| 08:54.02 | zenbum | we are still talking about carpenters, right? |
| 08:54.04 | peterS | zenbum: I think he means you don't pay them directly. it's not like the whole business comes for free, though |
| 08:54.38 | liable | http://short.dyndns.org/P4170045.JPG |
| 08:54.44 | liable | ^^ the joists |
| 08:54.57 | Gnea | hrmm |
| 08:55.03 | liable | i need to trim the back bits |
| 08:55.22 | peterS | yang: the Debian Project would be annoyed if you bought a debian.tld domain and then used it for something that the Project doesn't know about or approve |
| 08:55.23 | Gnea | hey, wasn't there some cannuck girl in here awhile back? |
| 08:55.27 | enouf | whoa .. 2.9kB/sec w00t |
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| 08:55.29 | Gnea | magnolias or something? |
| 08:55.49 | enouf | liable: your server's getting pummelled .. |
| 08:55.52 | yang | peterS: not even a webiste related to debian? |
| 08:55.55 | rahul | well, some of them pay YOU |
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| 08:56.02 | zenbum | there was a girl in here? and you guys didn't tie her up? |
| 08:56.14 | ricardol-linux | hello, can someone explain me how could i find out with hardware devices are linked to the dev devices? |
| 08:56.16 | enouf | I see .... er .. one leaf so far |
| 08:56.19 | rahul | sometimes not in cash, but in substances. |
| 08:56.22 | liable | enouf: i only have a slow connection for upload |
| 08:56.22 | peterS | zenbum: they come and go. thanks to people like you, they usually leave quickly |
| 08:56.37 | SlayerXP | ricardol-linux: it depends on the device, but dmesg will often help |
| 08:56.43 | zenbum | everyone's good at something... |
| 08:57.22 | tarzeau | liable: really very slow |
| 08:57.29 | peterS | zenbum: those of us who do _not_ want to chase off all women who ever think to enter this channel don't really appreciate the "service" the rest of you do to ensure that they do. fwiw. |
| 08:57.34 | yang | liable: are you on a 56k modem? |
| 08:57.38 | enouf | liable: she's almost dead jim .. i see something that's strting to look like an eave/overhang/soffit |
| 08:57.42 | liable | i shoulda resized it i guees, its prolly a 4M photo |
| 08:57.44 | ricardol-linux | slayerxp: yes, i started there, but it didnt....iam actually trying to find out to wich hardware my /dev/audio, /dev/audio1, /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are linked to |
| 08:57.45 | liable | sec |
| 08:57.48 | peterS | liable: 2M |
| 08:57.53 | enouf | you're killing me whitey! |
| 08:57.56 | ricardol-linux | but i dont have info about those devices in dmesg |
| 08:58.54 | peterS | ricardol-linux: 'cat /proc/asound/cards' to get some idea. that's assuming you've got alsa drivers loaded and the snd_pcm_oss shim module |
| 08:59.07 | enouf | Man! .. am i glad i got High-speed internet .. ;-) |
| 08:59.10 | ricardol-linux | i got alsa drivers loadad |
| 08:59.11 | netfrog | ricardol-linux: IIRC udev package has some tools to show the correlation. i don't remember more exactly |
| 08:59.12 | Gnea | well, i seem to recall some asshat in here awhile back and this girl said she'd get me a log of a certain date from someone and she never came through... in fact, i never saw here again after that |
| 08:59.21 | Gnea | hell, i'd forgotten about the whole thing till now |
| 08:59.25 | zenbum | peterS: I only pretend to be an insensitive misogynist... in reality I treat the bitches with respect |
| 08:59.32 | enouf | We should amke a Verizon commercial .. in real time .. |
| 08:59.39 | peterS | zenbum: that's bannable language. again fwiw. |
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| 08:59.54 | Gnea | zenbum: please, stick to topic. |
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| 09:00.17 | aspWork | am i correct when i say that 2.6.3 is the latest release if evolution in all debian branches? |
| 09:00.23 | enouf | oh Gnea .. i think you wanted !ne1 earlier .. ;-) |
| 09:00.32 | zenbum | Gnea: ok... I'll converse about asshats and logs ;) |
| 09:00.49 | peterS | aspWork: no. experimental has 2.8.3-1 |
| 09:00.54 | ricardol-linux | so, does someone has any experience with cheap capture cards? i have an encore enltv-fm and i can get the audio out of this card to output the audio i put in the line in input of the same card...besides i would like to have a litrle more control over the devices, to see if i can manually switch inputs, etc |
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| 09:01.02 | enouf | I'm starting to see the plum cuts of the rafter tails liable (2x4 rafters? .. ouch) |
| 09:01.13 | enouf | er plumb* |
| 09:01.20 | frog_ | hi, in which pactek is arm-linux* ? |
| 09:01.21 | rahul | oh shit |
| 09:01.25 | rahul | I have a plum in my fridge |
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| 09:01.31 | rahul | It should be ripe |
| 09:01.34 | zenbum | tile roof? |
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| 09:01.44 | aspWork | peterS: ok, not really confident in getting experimental packages, but i somehow cant get my evolution to use exchange when sending mail, it uses the local devlivery instead, making it kinda useless |
| 09:01.47 | Gnea | grrr |
| 09:01.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:01.51 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
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| 09:02.12 | enouf | liable: Buy a chalk line .. snap a line and cut them of plumb and straight with a circular saw |
| 09:02.31 | mosty | luhat |
| 09:02.33 | mosty | r |
| 09:02.58 | enouf | liable: damned .. still only 1/3 of the picture .. use PHOTOBUCKET next time :-P |
| 09:03.10 | liable | enouf: reload it, i resized it |
| 09:03.44 | rahul | mostiddilyo |
| 09:03.57 | enouf | ahhhh .. here we go .. getting something now captain |
| 09:04.12 | peterS | liable: so uh, you want to cut off at the notches? |
| 09:04.47 | rahul | well, the plum is still quite firm, but there's a rather ripe mango there... |
| 09:04.47 | Dewi | notches? notches? can't we just argue about text editors or something? |
| 09:04.47 | liable | peterS: see the top notches, i want to cut further back for a couple |
| 09:04.50 | enouf | liable: ok .. the pitch appeears to be about 5 in 12 .. you nee some type of scaffold/ladders and brackets to work off of |
| 09:05.07 | rahul | and by ripe mango, I mean simone simons |
| 09:05.25 | peterS | liable: I thought you only wanted a few mm |
| 09:05.27 | enouf | liable: snap a line across the tops, then use a level to plumb the line's down each one's face |
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| 09:05.43 | Gnea | that's enouf nuts |
| 09:05.45 | enouf | liable: then cut them off with a circular saw .. |
| 09:05.58 | enouf | Gnea: not at all .. i do it all the time ;-) |
| 09:06.05 | peterS | circular saw, or a sawzall would do it too if that's what you have handy. slightly less neat looking cut though |
| 09:06.30 | enouf | Gnea: sometimes from the roof ..er .. actually the Top Wall plates (since their new at the time0 |
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| 09:06.57 | Gnea | i knew there was a reason for it. *re-applies* |
| 09:07.05 | enouf | PrMoriart1: sawzall won't make as nearly as clean nor straight a cut, especially with an inexperienced user |
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| 09:07.10 | enouf | er peterS |
| 09:07.14 | peterS | enouf: true dat |
| 09:07.36 | enouf | liable: ouch! .. |
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| 09:07.39 | freakynl | hey there, i need vlan interfaces and need them to be up, but without IP/DHCP. Using this now but wondering if there was a better solution http://pastebin.ca/444268 |
| 09:07.43 | enouf | what'd i do :-( |
| 09:08.07 | liable | that was ages ago |
| 09:08.19 | robin_sz | ooh, sarge to etch seems to have made the mouse not work on my slaptop |
| 09:08.26 | peterS | freakynl: shrug - looks as good as anything |
| 09:08.38 | freakynl | zenbum: should become awfully quiet in your head :D |
| 09:08.54 | peterS | robin_sz: what kernel? the etch upgrade won't automatically upgrade kernels so.... |
| 09:08.54 | enouf | [05:01:33] <liable> peterS: see the top notches, i want to cut further back for a couple <-- wtf does that mean? .. Spanglish only please senor |
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| 09:08.56 | praecox | hey guys, do I need to restart all VMWare's virtual machines after upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 09:09.04 | zenbum | freakynl: good... the voices will finally stop |
| 09:09.12 | freakynl | peterS: couldn't find an option to have the ifup script up the interface w/o assing ip or dhcp :D |
| 09:09.23 | liable | circular saw isnt the answer |
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| 09:09.28 | peterS | freakynl: that's what 'manual' is supposed to do - does it work? |
| 09:09.43 | freakynl | peterS: no, it adds the device, but doesn't put it in the up state |
| 09:09.43 | enouf | since the camera shot is a bit tilted, I'm guessing more like an 8 in 12 pitch |
| 09:09.45 | liable | i think i'll go with the chisel |
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| 09:10.10 | robin_sz | peterS, 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 09:10.14 | freakynl | vmware server needs it to be up to use it (doesn't need ip tho') |
| 09:10.19 | peterS | freakynl: so the 'up' line, does that work? I mean ... it should |
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| 09:10.31 | peterS | robin_sz: and your mouse, is it PS/2 or USB? |
| 09:10.36 | enouf | liable: are you removing material horizontally or vertically? |
| 09:10.44 | robin_sz | peterS, ps2 touchpad thing |
| 09:11.06 | freakynl | peterS: yea it does :) just executes ifconfig :D |
| 09:11.06 | peterS | robin_sz: hmmm, so. kernel modules aren't needed, it must be a /etc/X11/xorg.conf issue |
| 09:11.15 | robin_sz | peterS, right ... |
| 09:11.15 | jelly-home | freakynl: iface eth0 inet manual \n \t up ifconfig eth0 up ;-) |
| 09:11.19 | enouf | liable: you want to notch out the notches (a few?) a bit deeper? to accept another pice of wood? or somehthign? |
| 09:11.35 | peterS | freakynl: yeah, you do what you have to do, it's not an _elegant_ solution but if it gets the job done.. |
| 09:11.39 | zenbum | "notch out the notches"... mindboggling |
| 09:11.42 | robin_sz | peterS, I wuold log out of the x seesion, but I cant move the mouse to the menu ;) |
| 09:11.57 | liable | enouf: yes, because they arent actually in a straight line when you put the string line against the back of the notches |
| 09:11.59 | peterS | robin_sz: you can force-log-out with ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 09:11.59 | enouf | zenbum: it's a zenful state of affairs ;-) |
| 09:12.07 | peterS | robin_sz: or just ctrl-alt-f1 to get a text console |
| 09:12.17 | robin_sz | this I have |
| 09:12.23 | enouf | liable: right .. they've racked/settled over the years |
| 09:12.35 | robin_sz | so some sort of reconfigure huh? |
| 09:12.45 | peterS | robin_sz: so anyway. look for the 'configured mouse' section of xorg.conf, see if it says Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" or what |
| 09:12.54 | liable | enouf: more likely the people that made it were shit |
| 09:12.55 | enouf | liable: so you want to make a small vertical slice |
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| 09:13.00 | peterS | robin_sz: you can try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to see if it will give you that sort of option - yeah, try that first |
| 09:13.01 | enouf | Laser: heh |
| 09:13.03 | liable | enouf: exactly |
| 09:13.04 | enouf | liable: |
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| 09:13.28 | freakynl | jelly-home: yea doing that on the vlan interfaces :) |
| 09:13.35 | enouf | liable: i'd also Snap a line across the tops as referrence .. |
| 09:13.37 | robin_sz | bah, how come my .bashrc correctly set my language as en_GB, yet when I su root, it goes to french ... |
| 09:14.25 | peterS | robin_sz: most likely french is your system default language (/etc/environment or /etc/default/locale) |
| 09:14.32 | pythonic | hi! anyone know if sydney debsig is still running? |
| 09:14.37 | jelly-home | freakynl: putting vmware clients on different vlans, huh. |
| 09:14.38 | robin_sz | peterS, it is, as most of the users are french |
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| 09:14.48 | jelly-home | s/clients/guests/ |
| 09:14.50 | enouf | liable: i'd still use a circular saw ... but you need to tip tilt the base/shoe to the angle that corresponds to the roof pitch |
| 09:14.53 | robin_sz | peterS, but I woud have expected it to preserve my language when su'ing |
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| 09:15.11 | enouf | liable: you can use a clamped temp guide brace to ensure you don't wander |
| 09:15.26 | peterS | robin_sz: I don't think su preserves most environment variables - security risk and all that |
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| 09:15.33 | enouf | liable: that snap line is your referece mark |
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| 09:16.02 | enouf | liable: IOW.. snap the line about 6 inches up the slope across the tops of the 2x4's |
| 09:16.02 | robin_sz | peterS, possibly ... |
| 09:16.09 | freakynl | jelly-home: uh huh :) server has a hole tho', not tested with vlan's yet but if you put the server on a vlan trunking port, and don't have a vlan interface you use on the vmware server (so just the plain interface) and you set a vlan ID on a host machine, it will actually get into the vlan :D... then again, i guess you just should give a bare device connected to a trunking port to a host system :D. haven't tested on esx yet but I think it ha |
| 09:16.24 | peterS | robin_sz: if you're the only person who uses su and you want it to default to en_GB, edit /root/.bashrc |
| 09:16.34 | freakynl | s/should/shouldn't |
| 09:16.43 | jelly-home | freakynl: yeah, I don't know why that works on Linux, but it does |
| 09:16.44 | robin_sz | peterS, im not the only person, 2 other admins are french |
| 09:17.08 | enouf | liable: measure back down from there .. ... if you really know your circular saw you can snap the line exactly how far away from the showe the blade is .. once tilted/beveled |
| 09:17.25 | enouf | er s/showe/shoe |
| 09:17.29 | enouf | or base |
| 09:17.29 | liable | enouf: thats not a bad idea actually. |
| 09:17.34 | zenbum | robin_sz: create a script called /root/waterloo to set what you want |
| 09:17.46 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: you're using su, not su -, right? |
| 09:17.46 | enouf | liable: no it's not ;-) |
| 09:17.46 | robin_sz | peterS, my personal bashrc does the right thing, I expected roots bashrc to no clobber the language when not a tty, but still |
| 09:17.53 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, yes, just su |
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| 09:17.57 | enouf | liable: like i said .. i do it all the time ;-) |
| 09:18.03 | freakynl | jelly-home: probably not really vmware related. think it has more to do with the ethernet drivers in the kernel |
| 09:18.06 | liable | enouf: your a chippy? |
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| 09:18.39 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: then have it set LANG only in .bash_profile and not touch it otherwise |
| 09:18.49 | dondelelcaro | (which it really should be doing anyway) |
| 09:19.03 | robin_sz | LANG in my .bash_profile? |
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| 09:19.46 | enouf | liable: a chip off the old block ;-0 |
| 09:19.56 | liable | oh dear |
| 09:20.13 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: you should set LANG in your .bash_profile, and not touch it in root's; then whatever LANG you prefer will be set, as it will for the other administrators. |
| 09:20.16 | enouf | !spank liable |
| 09:20.39 | enouf | liable: wtf is a chippy? .. speak spanglish i told you |
| 09:20.51 | liable | chippy=carpenter |
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| 09:21.04 | enouf | liable: well then Yes .. i'm a chippy .. |
| 09:21.25 | enouf | !fix liable |
| 09:22.10 | peterS | liable: well, good luck with your rooftrees, it's past my bedtime (4:22 localtime), catch you later. sounds like you have matters in hand with enouf's advice |
| 09:22.15 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, nice try, but no |
| 09:22.25 | liable | peterS: not really, but thanks ;) |
| 09:22.40 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, root doesnt seem to have a .bash_profile, |
| 09:22.40 | peterS | in any case I can't give any better advice than enouf already is, so.... |
| 09:22.40 | enouf | peterS: thanks peterS for your help with the glibc explanations and such |
| 09:23.12 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, but I set lang in mine, it seems to work in my shell, but is goen to fr etc when I su |
| 09:23.17 | enouf | peterS: and you'd make a damned good apprentice ;-) .. you got the know how already |
| 09:23.41 | peterS | enouf: I've done my share of sawing wood. not in any professional capacity, mind you, but yeah I've used at least some of the tools |
| 09:23.43 | enouf | peterS: plus , i'm sure you've done your share of remodeling |
| 09:23.48 | peterS | yep |
| 09:24.08 | peterS | what tipped you off, the mention of a sawzall? (: |
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| 09:24.34 | enouf | peterS: that .. and other things yep ;-) |
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| 09:24.43 | E-bola | I have a problem on my box |
| 09:24.50 | E-bola | i got 5000 zombie processes that doesnt go away |
| 09:24.52 | E-bola | and i cant reboot |
| 09:25.02 | E-bola | shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
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| 09:25.06 | E-bola | anybody have an idea what might be wrong? |
| 09:25.08 | Laser | enouf: u didn't ment me by some chance |
| 09:25.19 | liable | no he didnt |
| 09:25.21 | E-bola | using debian sarge |
| 09:25.21 | enouf | Laser: sorry ..no .. my bad tab completion |
| 09:25.43 | zenbum | 5000 zombies... I saw that movie |
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| 09:26.31 | zenbum | E-bola: are they zombies or uninterruptible sleeping ('D' state in ps) |
| 09:26.35 | zenbum | ? |
| 09:26.37 | enouf | liable: you got all that now? .. are you across the pond? .. do you need more direct/clear/concise instructs? .. you can PM me if you need to .. i may disappear a few hours soon .. sleep ;-) |
| 09:26.41 | E-bola | Z state |
| 09:26.50 | robin_sz | so any other ideas on this poxy language setting thing |
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| 09:28.00 | ricardol-linux | someone could point me out on how to fix this? :saa7134[0]/alsa: saa7134[0] at 0xea000000 irq 21 registered as card -1 |
| 09:28.08 | E-bola | zenbum: any clue? |
| 09:28.15 | DoctorOwl | Anyone willing to convert a gnu .texi document to .txt and dcc it to me? :) |
| 09:28.25 | liable | enouf: i got it, thanks, just not sure of my ability of weilding a circular saw with such precision, but as you said, a brace is a good idea, i will prolly need something to make the depth right too |
| 09:28.35 | enouf | liable: if the circular saw blade doesn't cut deep enough (but if those are 2x4, it shouldn't be an issue) .. finish the cut using a fine handsaw , or a sawzall with a fine blade .. hardwood chips out real easily .. especially dried outdoor hardwoods |
| 09:29.07 | enouf | liable: right .. run a few tests .. down on the ground with scraps and a workbench for sure |
| 09:29.11 | zenbum | E-bola: what's the state of process 1 (init)? usually it should adopt parentless zombies but maybe it's hung |
| 09:29.32 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, that didn;t work, any other ideas? |
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| 09:29.40 | cydork | !tell E-bola -about zombie |
| 09:29.49 | E-bola | root 1 0.0 0.0 1592 460 ? Ss 2006 0:23 init [2] |
| 09:29.51 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: how are you executing su? |
| 09:29.59 | E-bola | i know cydork |
| 09:30.03 | liable | enouf: i dont have anything as exotic as a workbench ;) |
| 09:30.07 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, by typing su |
| 09:30.08 | E-bola | that information doesnt help me much though |
| 09:30.10 | robin_sz | with no - |
| 09:30.27 | cydork | E-bola: you are SOTL :) |
| 09:30.44 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: and what do you have in /root/.bashrc? |
| 09:30.45 | zenbum | E-bola: are these just random processes or do they have a common parent? |
| 09:30.55 | liable | 3000 borked init processes? |
| 09:31.07 | E-bola | zenbum: apparently random, sshd, courier imap daemon and 2-3 other daemons |
| 09:31.14 | enouf | liable: if absolutely necessary you could even temp screw a straight 2x4 directly into the tops of the rafter tails .. running the span like the chalk line is now, but on the top edge, as a long guide, for say 6-8 cuts at a time befoe having to unscrew it and move it further down .. only a very minimal hole from screw will remain, .. nothing really, or you could clamp it too, instead of nails/screws |
| 09:31.22 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, various, but noting touching LANG or LANGUAGE |
| 09:31.24 | E-bola | hmm i think reboot -f might have solved it |
| 09:31.34 | zenbum | E-bola: weird... I'm stumped |
| 09:32.07 | enouf | liable: that 2x4 "brace" would follw exactly the nice chalkline you've snapped ;-) |
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| 09:32.54 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: so then what exactly is the problem? |
| 09:33.36 | zenbum | robin_sz: the obvious solution is for you to adopt french as your native tongue |
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| 09:33.47 | enouf | liable: over her, i use aluminum ladders, ladder "jacks", which hold my fairly think Mason's Spruce planks, from which i satnd on .. or i use my Aluminum Stage (meant for this) |
| 09:33.49 | liable | enouf: i need to put up an interior wall soon too, your gonna regret letting me know you know about this stuff! :) |
| 09:34.02 | enouf | er s/over her/overhere |
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| 09:34.34 | enouf | liable: just please stop kicking me in the cojones .. ok? .. that friggin hurts! |
| 09:34.45 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, I am english, my fellow admins are french, the system default is french, I log in and get $stuff in english, I su, and th world becomes french. this is bad |
| 09:34.51 | liable | no promises! :P |
| 09:35.21 | liable | enouf: enough OT before I get booted though, thanks very much for your suggestions. |
| 09:35.22 | enouf | bastages .. I'd beat someone to a pulp if they even ever attempted that in real life |
| 09:35.26 | zenbum | robin_sz: su with no args shouldn't change environment... if it does, something's broke |
| 09:35.28 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, env shows that LANGUAGE is now set to LANGUAGE=fr_CH:fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en |
| 09:35.34 | enouf | liable: no prob .. my pleasure ;-) |
| 09:37.07 | robin_sz | zenbum, well, su root shodl change the env, liek path and stuff, or it would be a bit risky |
| 09:37.33 | rahul | hahaha |
| 09:37.43 | rahul | enouf: you do what over her? |
| 09:37.44 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: alias su='su -m'; will resolve your problem; it's sourcing /etc/environment along the way because you've got session required pam_env.so readenv=1 in your /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 09:38.10 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: and, no, in general su changes almost nothing |
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| 09:38.26 | dondelelcaro | if you want actual environment cleanup, you want to use sudo |
| 09:40.06 | enouf | liable: interior walls are cake.. just promise me you'll be extra cautious out there, you can get tripped up, hurt easily, if you don;t do it all the time .. and even then, if you don;t take precautions, and pay complete attention to what you're doing .. |
| 09:40.26 | rahul | cake? |
| 09:40.27 | enouf | liable: I bet that camera shot is like 6 feet off the ground .. lol |
| 09:40.48 | enouf | rahul: hey .. it's heartwood ;-) |
| 09:41.02 | zenbum | "let them eat walls" |
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| 09:41.28 | liable | enouf: i was a plumber for 10 years so am not totally unexposed to building, but thanks, will prolly ask for some tips, unfortunately i dont know any chippies that will do love jobs for me where i live now :( |
| 09:42.09 | zenbum | if carpenters are "chippies", are plumbers "poopies"? |
| 09:42.15 | enouf | hahaha |
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| 09:42.36 | rahul | hah |
| 09:42.38 | liable | i guess i asked for that.. |
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| 09:43.05 | enouf | liable: i have a hard time getting the "me luv you long time" jobs too anymore ;-) |
| 09:43.15 | xand | O.o |
| 09:43.17 | TMH_ | hi. I want to search for all packages that contain ixp.h. I've seen this done before, but I cannot remember how to do this |
| 09:43.32 | xand | TMH_: dpkg -S? |
| 09:43.39 | zenbum | TMH_: apt-file? |
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| 09:44.07 | liable | enouf: i dont mean those sort of payments! i meant, ya know, mates rates. a carton or two and bbq and pissup after the job. |
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| 09:44.22 | Ronin | liable: ahh heh i do most of my work that way :) |
| 09:44.29 | enouf | TMH_: could also install dlocate (if the file is on your local system) .. but otherwise apt-file |
| 09:44.36 | Ronin | doing a roof, a deck and a large shed this summer for that kind of pay |
| 09:44.37 | zenbum | "bbq and pissup"... I'm not touching that one |
| 09:44.55 | enouf | liable: i know .. hehe .. had to get that shot in though ;-) |
| 09:45.09 | rahul | not only do they live upside down, they talk upside down, too |
| 09:45.10 | TMH_ | thanks guys |
| 09:46.07 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, OK, no problem I'll just use su -m |
| 09:46.14 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 09:46.18 | rahul | of course, there's always the "we'll be with the family, so there'll be lots of good craick" one |
| 09:46.29 | donaldo | i'm having a hard time upgrading to etch. i want to install libgtk2.0-dev but through some obscure logic apt wants to uninstall things i depend on like gdm. help :( |
| 09:46.43 | rahul | or is that craic |
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| 09:46.58 | liable | donaldo: your using aptitude for the first time? |
| 09:47.15 | donaldo | liable: on this system? or do you mean personally? |
| 09:47.24 | liable | donaldo: on that system |
| 09:47.56 | rahul | Q: Where's the craic? |
| 09:48.02 | rahul | Ans: Try Mickey D's house, there's a session going on there. |
| 09:48.02 | zenbum | donaldo: you're following release notes, right? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 09:48.07 | HYPOCRISY | Hi |
| 09:48.10 | donaldo | liable: correct me if i'm wrong, but aptitude is an apt front-end right? i've mostly just used the command-line interface to apt, but i did run aptitude once during my upgrade to etch to tell it not to install something. |
| 09:48.22 | rahul | donaldo: apt-get is one frontend to apt |
| 09:48.33 | liable | donaldo: yes, but do you usually use apt-get? |
| 09:48.35 | rahul | donaldo: aptitude is a proper command-line frontend to apt |
| 09:48.47 | donaldo | zenbum: thank you for the link, i was mostly just taking advice from a friend |
| 09:49.07 | rahul | no matter what stew says |
| 09:49.15 | zenbum | is apt-get now semi-officially-sortof deprecated in favor of aptitude? |
| 09:49.17 | donaldo | liable: apt-get and apt-cache mostly |
| 09:49.26 | rahul | zenbum: basically |
| 09:49.32 | donaldo | rahul: i thought aptitude was curses |
| 09:49.41 | liable | donaldo: if you usually use apt-get and decide to use aptitude (as you should for a release upgrade) try purging aptitude with apt-get and then try again |
| 09:49.44 | rahul | donaldo: it can be. |
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| 09:49.58 | liable | donaldo: you can use it exactly the same way as apt-get on the command line |
| 09:50.15 | donaldo | liable: is there a difference between using aptitude and apt-get on the command-line? |
| 09:50.27 | liable | on the cli |
| 09:50.32 | zenbum | donaldo: aptitude is supposed to be better at resolving dependencies |
| 09:50.35 | markybob | donaldo: yes. that's why they're different things, see |
| 09:50.43 | markybob | !why aptitude |
| 09:50.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 09:50.51 | adamant1988 | liable: Why don't you just use the CLI aptitude tools? |
| 09:50.55 | liable | donaldo: for a few thing, but mostly no, s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
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| 09:51.02 | zenbum | and conflicts.... did I mention conflicts? |
| 09:51.03 | donaldo | i see, i had assumed various apt front-ends all depended on some apt library for dependency resolution |
| 09:51.04 | liable | adamant1988: i do |
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| 09:51.16 | enouf | liable: actually .. if you've got a good (and i mean _good_) handsaw, you could do it with much less gear and setup (and have finer control) .. once you snap the line correctly, you climb the ladder (lean it against the roof edge but only if it won't chip the tiles, if that's what they are, they look like terracotta clay tiles) with a handsaw (and have a bevel square, and small level in tow, or in your pouch) |
| 09:51.18 | zenbum | conflicts are important... just ask my ex-gf |
| 09:51.36 | adamant1988 | hehe |
| 09:51.40 | enouf | liable: ok done .. |
| 09:51.43 | adamant1988 | Yeah, I like me some aptitude |
| 09:51.58 | rahul | with grits |
| 09:52.04 | adamant1988 | I really should be using it more, I just use basic apt-get right now :( |
| 09:52.25 | liable | enouf: i dont have good saws, i have cheap ones :) you would definately not use a chisel though? |
| 09:52.39 | zenbum | the problem with chippies is once you get them started... ;P |
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| 09:57.28 | enouf | liable: no .. but i'd have a sharp paring chisel, and sheetrock knife (razorblade in a handle) with me for cleanup .. |
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| 09:57.51 | Brian_R | Hello. I have four computers, three of which run sarge/oldstable, and one of them, the one I'm currently on, is running etch/stable. Can I use the instructions on the Debian website (under 8.5, Compiling a New Kernel) to compile a kernel for the etch box, on my sarge box? |
| 10:00.02 | donaldo | is there a good refernece on the web for the various flags / colors that the curses aptitude interface uses? |
| 10:00.48 | enouf | liable: a chisel needs a hammer, and hammering on those in any way shape, or form will not have good consequences .. perhaps even loosening/rattling/cracking the tiles .. plus you'd need rea;lly really good chisels even to have anything remotely looking like a "cut/slice" ;-) |
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| 10:02.20 | liable | enouf: it doesnt need to look good, it just need to line up. I will be nailing a facia to it |
| 10:02.41 | enouf | liable: where the notches are? |
| 10:02.43 | Brian_R | . |
| 10:02.57 | liable | enouf: yep, and another underneath |
| 10:03.30 | liable | the notches |
| 10:03.37 | enouf | liable: still .. a handsaw then .. or circular .. what about the tops? |
| 10:03.54 | liable | another row of tiles sit on top |
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| 10:05.35 | Brian_R | Can I use a computer running Debian Sarge to do the Debian-style kernel compile, and take the resulting package, and use it successfully with a computer with Etch? |
| 10:06.30 | liable | enouf: its a wierd ass setup, the top fascia board supports the tiles and the gutter is nailed to that, and the gutter sits on the bottom board which is also visible. the top one is obscured. |
| 10:06.41 | enouf | liable: ahh .. ok .. they (the tails) look like they've been exposed quite a while |
| 10:07.01 | enouf | liable: i figured as much |
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| 10:07.13 | liable | enouf: yep, noone has lived here for years and the gutter rotted and the wood aint so good as a result |
| 10:07.47 | donaldo | huh... apparently i can scroll down in the help screen |
| 10:07.51 | enouf | liable: you'll likely need to make 2 (vertical) cuts on each piece then, one for the notch, and one on the front edge |
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| 10:08.01 | vinvin | hi |
| 10:08.08 | Brian_R | Hello. |
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| 10:08.40 | liable | enouf: exactly |
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| 10:09.00 | liable | enouf: though the notches and the ends arent the same if you know what i mean |
| 10:09.13 | liable | enouf: hence my comment earlier about shit builders |
| 10:09.42 | enouf | liable: OR .. since you're adding an underside soffit, you could cheat and just shim out the front fascia (wehere needed) and let the soffit board cover the gappage (butt facscia face to soffit edge and nail them together) |
| 10:09.57 | enouf | liable: yes .. why yes i do ;-) |
| 10:10.05 | liable | enouf: i need to do that as well :/ |
| 10:10.40 | enouf | and there ya go! .. another job well done ;-) |
| 10:11.11 | liable | enouf: i need to trim a couple and pad out the others. both at the front face and bottom of the notches.. |
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| 10:11.22 | liable | its dodgy as fuck |
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| 10:12.24 | enouf | liable: trust me, when i say "i understand" .. and thank goodness atleast you know a little bit about this, otherwise, i'd have to write a 5000 word discertation explaining it . |
| 10:13.18 | ootput | 5000 words is a easy |
| 10:13.30 | ootput | as long as your standards aren't too high |
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| 10:13.47 | enouf | liable: if it gets completely covered/encased .. sometimes it's easier just to sister/nail along side "new" material you've cut up .. new rafter tails .. but just pieces |
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| 10:13.54 | liable | ootput: oh, so its you emailing those cialis emails? |
| 10:14.05 | pythonic | head -5000 /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 10:14.11 | ootput | haha |
| 10:14.13 | enouf | liable: i was under the impression most of it was to remain exposed |
| 10:14.56 | liable | enouf: it is, but i will likely put some cladding underneath, but i want to do it right, not bodge it if i can |
| 10:15.00 | enouf | ootput: haven't written any in a while .. care to refresh? |
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| 10:16.57 | enouf | liable: I getcha .. i just like straight and true and take the best strongest route .. you seem to have it figured out .. sometimes, messing with old, crooked dilapidated, rotten shit causes many more headaches .. make sure they aren't rotten (so that the new nails/screws "bite") otherwise you're in for many hours of headaches |
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| 10:17.39 | liable | enouf: about 3 of them are pretty fucked |
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| 10:17.48 | enouf | liable: i use stainless fasteners outside .. almost always now |
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| 10:18.48 | enouf | liable: i bet right in the center of the span too .. though sometimes it occurs over where there's a bumpout of the building |
| 10:19.10 | liable | nope at the end |
| 10:19.20 | enouf | liable: last licks lumber .. lol |
| 10:19.33 | enouf | liable: bet that corner is bad |
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| 10:20.07 | enouf | liable: though honestly, i haven't seen UK buildings ever in person :-( |
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| 10:20.25 | liable | enouf: i'm in au |
| 10:20.34 | enouf | or dat too ;-( |
| 10:20.46 | enouf | oh yeah .. you're the sheep herder :-p |
| 10:20.55 | enouf | how's thw bahhhhhhhhhhsssssssssssss |
| 10:21.11 | ootput | enouf: oh, nothing special. I was going to suggest something similar to what pythonic kindly suggested :) |
| 10:21.18 | liable | enouf: i keep telling you, nz are the sheep lovers |
| 10:21.21 | wols_ | damn, aren't you done already? |
| 10:21.40 | wols_ | this is worse OT than ubuntards demanding help in here :P |
| 10:21.51 | wols_ | happy to oblige |
| 10:22.01 | ootput | that's outrageous |
| 10:22.05 | ootput | damn exaggeration |
| 10:22.15 | ootput | ubuntards are the worst |
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| 10:22.52 | ootput | I'm not sure about freenode, but I've witnessed some pretty plz-shoot-me-now moments on oftc |
| 10:23.11 | pythonic | liable: hey! i resemble that comment |
| 10:23.21 | ootput | we should get the redirection aimed back at freenode >_> |
| 10:23.23 | enouf | liable: if NZ are the sheep lovers, why do you insist on keeping atleast two females? |
| 10:23.36 | rahul | enouf: female sheep? |
| 10:23.41 | rahul | or humans? |
| 10:23.49 | enouf | rahul: I made it up ... nahhh |
| 10:23.58 | rahul | heh |
| 10:24.00 | rahul | or goats! |
| 10:24.06 | ootput | rahul: way to go all technical and ruin the joke! |
| 10:24.11 | enouf | rahul: ANY farm animals will do for an aussie |
| 10:24.14 | dmilith | ;D |
| 10:24.14 | rahul | haha |
| 10:24.27 | rahul | so it's the kiwis that are picky |
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| 10:24.29 | liable | enouf: i keep at least six.. http://news.imagethief.com/photos/xinjiang/picture6565.aspx |
| 10:24.49 | ootput | damn shame about Virginia Tech |
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| 10:25.00 | enouf | Fuck yeah .. oh .. man |
| 10:25.07 | ootput | damn shame |
| 10:25.18 | enouf | i'd forgotten for a few moments there .. |
| 10:25.28 | ootput | the response time was terrible |
| 10:25.40 | ootput | err, emergency response system |
| 10:26.00 | ootput | who's the Australian in this channel? |
| 10:26.26 | enouf | ootput: I keep saying .. "Suspect, still at large" means even on the campus too .. duh!! |
| 10:26.58 | enouf | 2500+ acres and 26,000+ students? .. wtf? |
| 10:27.10 | Ciantic | Anyone knows how to get wget to recursively download stuff from x/ to x/a/ x/b/ but not / (meaning it goes upper in directory tree but not lower from the starting point |
| 10:27.30 | enouf | ootput: naahhhttt meeee ... |
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| 10:27.40 | ootput | enouf: lol |
| 10:28.04 | ootput | Ciantic: you mean lower? |
| 10:28.23 | ootput | Ciantic: --no-parent |
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| 10:29.11 | ootput | liable: lol interesting image |
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| 10:30.19 | enouf | liable: .. i didn't need to see that .. you weirdo down-under-uns |
| 10:30.31 | Ciantic | ootput, yes, thanks! (I must have been blind, then again I was looking probably wrong named option) |
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| 10:35.31 | enouf | liable: btw .. WRT my handsaw suggestion .. i forgot just how little you need to remove .. hence the "Chopsaw_in_the_air" type suggestions using a circular saw .. even a jigsaw, or any reciprocating saw of any kind (such as a sawzall) wil want to wander out/away as you cut |
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| 10:36.23 | liable | enouf: ya, i am getting help from another irc friend who happened to see the convo and mentioned a reciprocating saw. |
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| 10:36.47 | madriss | im doing apt-get upgrade and its stuck on 10% [1 doc-linux-text 6337896/7895kB 80%] |
| 10:36.58 | madriss | tried ctrl + c and then rebooted and did it again but same thing |
| 10:37.06 | liable | only about 10mm at the most |
| 10:37.16 | ootput | madriss: have you tried a different source? |
| 10:37.17 | zenbum | you primitive earthlings with your saws.... real carpenters use light sabers |
| 10:37.20 | enouf | liable: you could temporarily nail in a 1 x 4 (1x4x16' say) and just slice through them with your sawzall as you work your way down |
| 10:37.25 | madriss | dont think so |
| 10:38.03 | madriss | hm it tried mirror.ac.uk but said unable to fetch file on that source |
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| 10:38.07 | enouf | liable: you still need your marks .. to follow .. top snap line then plumb down |
| 10:38.17 | enouf | liable: along the face |
| 10:38.25 | madriss | not sure my sources are all right lol |
| 10:38.45 | liable | enouf: i guess we better stop before we get yelled at. I am sure everyone is sick of hearing about it, though i am impressed we've gone so far ;) |
| 10:38.51 | enouf | madriss: can you pastebin the entire error? |
| 10:39.16 | madriss | ok |
| 10:39.20 | enouf | madriss: that particular mirror is going offline soon IIRC .. try another one |
| 10:39.51 | madriss | oh ok |
| 10:40.03 | madriss | how do i find another mirror and set it up |
| 10:40.08 | GhostlyDeath | Thank got I backed up /lib before screwing it over |
| 10:40.18 | enouf | liable: right .. and I'm tired of "typing" about it .. I could've flown over there and done it already ;-) |
| 10:40.29 | enouf | wel .. almost ;-P |
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| 10:40.48 | enouf | !tell madriss -about mirrors |
| 10:40.49 | tarzeau | !mirror |
| 10:40.49 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 10:41.11 | madriss | thnx |
| 10:41.33 | GhostlyDeath | When will GNOME be updated for lenny since nt alot of stuff works? |
| 10:41.42 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: don't screw over /lib .. it hasn't harmed you .. has it? |
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| 10:41.52 | tarzeau | GhostlyDeath: it'll first be updated for sid |
| 10:41.53 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: I recovered succesfully |
| 10:42.05 | GhostlyDeath | I figured something out with my clock |
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| 10:42.13 | GhostlyDeath | it slows overtime |
| 10:42.18 | GhostlyDeath | but restarts set the right time |
| 10:42.45 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath, you could use ntpdate from cron job |
| 10:43.00 | valgon | cinerella is not in 'testing', is there anything close to it for 'testing'? |
| 10:43.03 | GhostlyDeath | dutchfish: but shouldn't it update from the BIOS? |
| 10:43.31 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath, only if hwclock is read :) |
| 10:43.44 | enouf | liable: one last thing .. fwiw .. scribing using a razor knife (mostly for your eye to see, but also to score the surface), is likely best from what i can tell from that photo, ... not a pencil, nor crayon, nor marker |
| 10:43.45 | cydork | valgon: there is kino but it doesn't have that many features.. |
| 10:43.55 | GhostlyDeath | dutchfish: there a way to hwclock 24/7? |
| 10:44.10 | dutchfish | GhostlyDeath, tzconfig? |
| 10:44.34 | madriss | thanks i got a new source working now :) |
| 10:44.35 | enouf | tzset, tzconfig , etc |
| 10:44.39 | valgon | cydork: yeah, i know about kino. wonder when cinerella will be in 'testing'. you know of a good webcam for debian? |
| 10:44.50 | valgon | debian testing, that is. |
| 10:44.54 | enouf | madriss: you go girl! |
| 10:45.07 | GhostlyDeath | just asks me about the timezone |
| 10:45.09 | madriss | lol |
| 10:45.09 | cydork | valgon: nope.. no idea about webcam :) |
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| 10:45.45 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: you have ntpdate, but not ntp? |
| 10:45.52 | enouf | !ntp |
| 10:45.52 | dpkg | hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 10:46.03 | GhostlyDeath | I removed ntp |
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| 10:46.44 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: replace your BIOS lithium battery .. or it's a hwclock --hwtosys setting |
| 10:46.45 | dutchfish | !slap GhostlyDeath |
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| 10:47.05 | enouf | !hug dutchfish |
| 10:47.06 | GhostlyDeath | Tue 17 Apr 2007 06:47:09 AM EDT -0.730170 seconds |
| 10:47.11 | valgon | no one here using webcam? |
| 10:47.16 | enouf | no |
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| 10:47.25 | GhostlyDeath | My BIOS is set to my timezone |
| 10:47.36 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: so what? |
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| 10:47.53 | enouf | drift isn't caused from a setting |
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| 10:48.54 | enouf | maybe i could rephrase that .. but i'm tired now |
| 10:48.58 | tenzind | hi .. i am trying to create a debian etch mirror... but i am having problems with some gpg keys ... where can i get the keys from?? |
| 10:49.13 | enouf | tenzind: /topic |
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| 10:51.06 | enouf | !security |
| 10:51.06 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 10:51.38 | tenzind | enouf: thanks :) |
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| 10:51.55 | enouf | tenzind: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html |
| 10:52.26 | GhostlyDeath | in Gnome-power-manager, critical battery hibernate is different than Choosing hibernate |
| 10:52.37 | GhostlyDeath | it shuts down instead of hibernating |
| 10:52.38 | enouf | !tell tenzind -about reference |
| 10:52.45 | enouf | !tell tenzind -about mg |
| 10:52.55 | enouf | ok .. enouf ;-) |
| 10:53.09 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: a craptop? |
| 10:53.24 | GhostlyDeath | craptop? |
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| 10:53.37 | coz_ | morning guys |
| 10:53.42 | GhostlyDeath | more like gnome sucks at doing a good job |
| 10:54.04 | enouf | http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html <-- see that GhostlyDeath .. a wealth of info |
| 10:54.19 | coz_ | ok debian etch installed just now but have no idea how to enable a wacom tablet and googling has brought up nothing... is there a wiki or how to any ofyou know abut? |
| 10:54.29 | GhostlyDeath | Too bad I don't have a Latitude |
| 10:54.34 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: I'm just partial/biased to "gadgetry" |
| 10:54.56 | enouf | erm.. in the opposite pole |
| 10:55.29 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: doesn't matter .. latitude or dellio .. rtfm |
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| 10:55.43 | GhostlyDeath | Don't got a dellio either |
| 10:56.01 | crm_ | can anyone help me with vls/vlc/ |
| 10:56.10 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: my point exactly .. it's NOT related to a specif OEM! |
| 10:56.21 | enouf | er specific |
| 10:56.31 | GhostlyDeath | gnome-power-manager just doesn't do "apci -S" when the battery is critical |
| 10:56.40 | GhostlyDeath | or equivilant |
| 10:56.48 | crm_ | ive got my webcam showing a pic on vlc.. on the server.. but can't connect to it.. i've read the docs.. but still don't understand what im doing wrong |
| 10:56.49 | enouf | no capisci! |
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| 10:58.55 | liable | babes=pancakes? |
| 10:59.20 | enouf | spatula |
| 10:59.35 | [Nige] | anyone having difficulties with samba and vista? |
| 10:59.53 | enouf | flippin' hotcakes |
| 11:00.06 | enouf | no |
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| 11:01.20 | liable | enouf: i'll take some photos of the final product |
| 11:01.59 | liable | enouf: you irc all night then have booze and girls for brekfast and go to work??? |
| 11:02.29 | tarzeau | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4.11.0 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
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| 11:02.49 | tarzeau | anyone else got this? |
| 11:03.02 | zenbum | enouf: enjoy the liquor but babes are dangerous.... better send them to me to be safe |
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| 11:05.09 | amphi | tarzeau: "/usr/lib/libXpm.so.4.11.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped", quoth file(1) |
| 11:05.10 | pearl | zenbum: hihi |
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| 11:05.32 | zenbum | pearl: howdyhowdy |
| 11:05.38 | tarzeau | amphi: strange. thanks anyways |
| 11:05.47 | pearl | good :P |
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| 11:06.36 | amphi | tarzeau: ldconfig ran without error |
| 11:07.19 | pearl | waht is an ELF file? |
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| 11:07.41 | tarzeau | pearl: Executable and Linkable Format (Unix, OS/2) |
| 11:07.43 | freakynl | pearl: an file that conforms to the ELF standards |
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| 11:08.12 | pearl | hm, k. thanks :)) |
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| 11:09.17 | amphi | tarzeau: it was amusing to read the transcript of SCO's lawyers trying to explain that the 'ELF magic' was their client's 'intellectual property' |
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| 11:09.35 | pythonic | the magic number?!? |
| 11:09.45 | amphi | pythonic: yup |
| 11:10.07 | pythonic | that's nuts |
| 11:10.29 | pythonic | just about any number would do.. there's nothing special about that one. |
| 11:10.36 | amphi | pythonic: Darl said they owned c++ too, in a moment of exuberance |
| 11:10.54 | zenbum | only a magic number will work |
| 11:11.11 | zenbum | that's why you need elves |
| 11:11.58 | pythonic | perhaps he meant they pwned c++ |
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| 11:13.02 | sf7 | Im trying to compile with make; it can't find the .h files. in the makefile ive set INCS = /usr/local/arm/3.3.2/include |
| 11:13.09 | sf7 | why cant it find the .h files? |
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| 11:13.37 | paddor | good alternative for mldonkey? (remote control, ed2k, torrent, ftp) |
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| 11:14.00 | Eulex | sf7, eh, you're trying to cross-compile something? |
| 11:14.03 | pythonic | sf7: is the compiler called with -I/usr/local/arm/3.3.2/include? |
| 11:14.08 | sf7 | yes! |
| 11:14.16 | sf7 | and no! |
| 11:14.21 | sf7 | lemme try that! |
| 11:14.28 | pythonic | (just having INCS=foo in the Makefile is not sufficient) |
| 11:14.51 | Eulex | sf7, well, pebkac check: you've got an arm cross-compiler, right? :) |
| 11:15.27 | Eulex | sf7, in any case, I'd recommend the ones from http://speedblue.org/ |
| 11:15.38 | Eulex | sf7, btw, gcc 3.3.2 is terribly old |
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| 11:16.01 | sf7 | im using arm-linux-gcc |
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| 11:16.44 | sf7 | yes im on 3.3.2 :/ |
| 11:17.07 | Zancat | hello, whats the smallest HD Debian will recognize? |
| 11:17.32 | sf7 | pythonic - thats as a command line parameter, yes? |
| 11:17.49 | Eulex | Zancat, that would probably be based on your mobo, not debian |
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| 11:17.57 | Zancat | hmm |
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| 11:18.04 | pythonic | gcc -I/foo tells gcc to look in /foo for includes |
| 11:18.31 | sf7 | its still not finding em |
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| 11:25.08 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:25.08 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
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| 11:26.49 | Peanut | Hi all, I've got a machine with Etch which I'm using for networking research, and NetworkManager is getting a bit annoying - what would be the proper incantation to stop, then remove it? |
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| 11:28.36 | adamant1988 | Peanut: I just "apt-get remove NetworkManager" and do away with it |
| 11:28.49 | Peanut | Will that also stop the currently running instance? |
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| 11:29.09 | Jojosan | there's no cap |
| 11:29.19 | adamant1988 | Eh, if not you can probably 'ps aux' for it, but I don't think that's a problem |
| 11:29.22 | Jojosan | network-manager normally. |
| 11:30.07 | Peanut | Thanks Jojosan, hadn't tried that variation yet. |
| 11:30.15 | Peanut | Ok, and it also takes out the gnome-plugin, good. |
| 11:30.57 | Peanut | And stops all the daemons - that's nice. And nice to be rid of it :-) |
| 11:30.57 | Jojosan | apt-cache search network manager is helpful |
| 11:31.10 | Jojosan | normally never ever use caps in package names |
| 11:31.15 | Jojosan | never saw caps. |
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| 11:31.50 | Peanut | It would drop the routing table and DNS configuration every time I unplugged a cable. |
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| 11:32.37 | Jojosan | heh |
| 11:32.46 | Jojosan | this _is_ a weird behavior |
| 11:33.52 | pmv | Peanut: checked your if-down? |
| 11:34.06 | pmv | and if-post-down |
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| 11:36.36 | wintix | hmtja. |
| 11:36.41 | wintix | err |
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| 11:38.12 | ringo999 | hi, what file are the messages during bootup logged to? |
| 11:38.21 | torrr | can I put make a regular XP to be ipp server for its local printer? |
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| 11:38.40 | torrr | I want to print from cups to XP without samba |
| 11:38.43 | tarzeau | ringo999: /var/log/dmesg ? |
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| 11:40.51 | Peanut | pmv: this is a pristine Etch install |
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| 11:41.58 | Peanut | Doesn't help that Debian uses a completely different numbering for the ethernet-interfaces than Suse came up with, just to add to the fun and confusion ;-) |
| 11:42.08 | ringo999 | tarzeau: hmm.. any other files to look for? specifially, im getting an error message when my tomcat server is trying to launch |
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| 11:42.48 | Zancat | uh, can Debian see anything that is formated other than ext2 and 3?? |
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| 11:43.03 | tarzeau | ringo999: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 11:43.09 | tarzeau | ringo999: or /var/log/tomcat* ? |
| 11:43.17 | tarzeau | Zancat: sure |
| 11:43.21 | Zancat | hmm |
| 11:43.25 | tarzeau | Zancat: debian gnu/kfreebsd can even read/write UFS |
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| 11:43.36 | liable | torrr: you want your debian box to be the print server? |
| 11:43.52 | liable | or the xp box? |
| 11:43.53 | stew | Peanut: you can rename your interfaces at will by editing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and make them match Suse, if you prefer |
| 11:43.56 | Zancat | Debian sees my other HD (formatted FAT32) but says its not formatted |
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| 11:44.01 | tarzeau | Zancat: i was able to use next ufs, solaris ufs, ntfs4, 5, fat12,16,32 and afs |
| 11:44.16 | tarzeau | Zancat: hd or hd w/ partitions? tried mounting it? |
| 11:44.29 | Zancat | hmm |
| 11:44.37 | Zancat | I think I know the prob |
| 11:44.38 | Zancat | brb |
| 11:44.40 | torrr | liable, I want to print from debian to windows, but I don't want samba |
| 11:44.45 | coz_ | guys I have 2 problems here , first last week this library libgtkglextmm-x11-1.0.so.0 was avaiable for all debian base distros this week it is gone ...it is a gnome library and i have several apps that depend on it second I need a real good how to to enable the wacom tablet drivers in etc |
| 11:45.08 | liable | torrr: which box has the printer attached? you are confising me the way you say it |
| 11:45.17 | tarzeau | coz_: etch? sid? package name? |
| 11:45.27 | coz_ | tarzeau, etc yes |
| 11:45.30 | xand | torrr: I think samba is required if you want to use windows printer sharing? |
| 11:45.39 | torrr | liable, the XP has the printer locally |
| 11:45.47 | xand | torrr: I may be wrong... does CUPS let you install the printer without samba installed? |
| 11:45.50 | ringo999 | the error message i get from tomcat is /usr/sbin/apache is not executable... however, im running apache2 |
| 11:46.12 | torrr | xand, CUPS lets you add IPP printers |
| 11:46.28 | xand | I know, but does windows support that? |
| 11:46.29 | liable | torrr: dunno, that entirely a windows problem |
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| 11:46.37 | coz_ | tarzeau, as far as package name is concerned all I have is what is missing in terminal when try ing to run app and that is libgtkglextmm-x11-1.0.so.0 |
| 11:47.01 | torrr | xand, so I thought if there is a ipp server for XP that lets you print on its local ports |
| 11:47.04 | tarzeau | coz_: what says dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgtkglextmm-x11-1.0.so.0 |
| 11:47.14 | coz_ | tarzeau, hold on |
| 11:47.24 | xand | torrr: dunno, ask ##windows |
| 11:47.30 | coz_ | tarzeau, not found |
| 11:47.34 | xand | torrr: maybe services for unix will help. |
| 11:47.39 | xand | I think that gives you lpd |
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| 11:47.46 | tarzeau | coz_: try http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:47.55 | torrr | xand, services for unix? |
| 11:47.55 | coz_ | tarzeau, ok be back |
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| 11:48.13 | xand | torrr: it's an optional windows component |
| 11:48.15 | wintix | coz_: apt-cache search libgtkglex might get you started. |
| 11:48.23 | kuribas | How I can I make dvips use postscript fonts instead of bitmaps? I used to do "dvips -Pcmz" but that doesn't work anymore. |
| 11:48.36 | coz_ | tarzeau, not found |
| 11:48.46 | coz_ | wintix, ok let me try that |
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| 11:50.32 | _ac3_ | Hi |
| 11:50.42 | Zancat | hi |
| 11:50.45 | s | ho |
| 11:50.54 | coz_ | wintix, well that gave me alist of possibilities all of which are not aviable through apt-get |
| 11:50.58 | Zancat | dairy o |
| 11:50.59 | bony | i get this error when i run firefox from its directory ":~/Desktop/firefox$ ./firefox-bin |
| 11:50.59 | bony | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 11:51.16 | _ac3_ | what tool can i use to autocreate a partition in the remaining free space at the end of a harddrive? |
| 11:51.23 | bony | this is a debian sid 64bit system |
| 11:52.10 | Zancat | ah HA!!, it wasn't formated FAT32 as I thought |
| 11:52.51 | wintix | coz_: are you using etch? |
| 11:53.27 | Zancat | my partitioner lied to me |
| 11:53.54 | wintix | your partitioner isn't responsible for the contents of the partitions |
| 11:54.04 | Zancat | haha |
| 11:54.05 | coz_ | wintix, yes etc |
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| 11:54.47 | coz_ | wintix, etch yes sorry I have sasquatch fingers so one finger tends to hit two keys ") |
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| 11:56.19 | coz_ | wintix, this library libgtkglextmm-x11-1.0.so.0 is gnome library and I am also checking on #gnome right now also |
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| 11:58.58 | TeReL50 | coz_ what r u doing here :) |
| 11:59.14 | TeReL50 | you made me think i was in beryl |
| 11:59.21 | coz_ | TeReL50, lol |
| 11:59.24 | TeReL50 | :) |
| 11:59.31 | wintix | coz_: i would say that it's a pretty good bet that the library you are looking for is in libgtkglext1. that library is in etch/main and you shouldn't have any problems installing it. have you ran apt-get update recently? |
| 11:59.41 | coz_ | TeReL50, well I ws getting frustrated with ubntu and amd now tryin etc |
| 11:59.47 | TeReL50 | coooll |
| 12:00.14 | TeReL50 | coz_ u know me, I'm trying out every distro |
| 12:00.16 | coz_ | wintix, yep rant apt -get and no results librarty cannot be found on either debina ubuntu or any othere debian base ditro |
| 12:00.20 | TeReL50 | look where I ended up |
| 12:00.29 | pmv | :-) |
| 12:00.32 | TeReL50 | :) |
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| 12:00.54 | coz_ | TeReL50, :) yep me too just needed to give my nephew a listen to, he usess debian so I had to satisfiy him:) |
| 12:01.01 | wintix | coz_: what does your sources.list look like? |
| 12:01.05 | TeReL50 | :) |
| 12:01.14 | coz_ | wintix, hold on I will pastebin it |
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| 12:01.53 | ringo999 | i installed tomcat using aptitude, how do i know where the webapps folder is? |
| 12:02.00 | ringo999 | (tomcat5.5) |
| 12:02.08 | coz_ | wintix, http://pastebin.ca/444562 |
| 12:02.36 | coz_ | wintix, it is sparce compared to what I am used to but I just now completed the installation of etc so still have a bit of alearning cuve from ubuntu |
| 12:02.50 | coz_ | curve |
| 12:02.53 | wols_ | coz_: lenny has no security updates |
| 12:02.54 | naught101 | anyone used VHCS on debian? |
| 12:03.05 | coz_ | wols_, well ok but this is etc |
| 12:03.09 | coz_ | etch |
| 12:03.25 | wols_ | coz_: if you run lenny, there is no point in etch security updates, is there? |
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| 12:03.36 | wols_ | neither is the CD entry of course |
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| 12:03.58 | coz_ | wols_, well I just woke up and you are confusing me , an easy thing to de in the early mornings :) |
| 12:04.24 | wols_ | coz_: you have lenny as your main repo in there |
| 12:04.32 | wols_ | testing has no security updates |
| 12:04.43 | wintix | coz_: you can comment out the cd entry. and you are using lenny repos. -> you don't have etch |
| 12:05.00 | coz_ | wols_, that is the deafult etch install other than shames repo for beryl |
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| 12:05.10 | coz_ | wols_, I have added nothing else |
| 12:05.15 | TeReL50 | coz_ copy the ultimedia, u'll need them ; |
| 12:05.15 | TeReL50 | http://pastebin.ca/444566 |
| 12:05.23 | TeReL50 | +m |
| 12:05.26 | wintix | coz_: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main <- read :) |
| 12:05.30 | coz_ | if any of you have a nice comprehensive sources list I would appreciate it |
| 12:05.35 | wintix | lenny != etch |
| 12:05.35 | wols_ | coz_: hm? lenny repo is the default for etch? |
| 12:06.02 | coz_ | wols_, this is a freshinstall just an hour ago and theonly source repo I addes was shames repo |
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| 12:06.26 | wols_ | coz_: I am sure that your etch installer would NOT add a lenny repository. so please stay with the truth |
| 12:06.30 | coz_ | wols_, I take that back someone told me to install and run apt-spy |
| 12:06.36 | aksn | hi all |
| 12:07.09 | wols_ | neither does apt-spy for etch do this |
| 12:07.09 | wols_ | lenny != etch |
| 12:07.09 | TeReL50 | lenny is testing! |
| 12:07.09 | coz_ | wols_, well then it was the default sources list as i said honest! :) |
| 12:07.09 | TeReL50 | etch = stable |
| 12:07.10 | aksn | i'd like to contribute the Debian proyect, and i'd like to program in Java, where could i get some info to start? |
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| 12:07.17 | wols_ | coz_: theris no default. and no you are not honest |
| 12:07.32 | wols_ | aksn: contribute how? |
| 12:07.48 | coz_ | wols_, ??/ dude of course I am honest thats what showed up when I gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:07.49 | wintix | aksn: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 12:07.58 | aksn | wols_, developing in Java, i don't care which package |
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| 12:08.18 | wintix | coz_: well yes. all we figured out now is that you have lenny, not etch :) get some coffee ;) |
| 12:08.20 | aksn | thanks wintix |
| 12:08.22 | tomix | could anyone offer a hand with Munin? |
| 12:08.33 | wols_ | aksn: debian doesn't do much programming. some yes but I don't know of any java stuff. |
| 12:08.37 | coz_ | any one willing to share their sources list ..if it failry comprhensive I wouldn't mind trying it |
| 12:08.43 | wols_ | heck, Sun Java isn't even in debian up to now |
| 12:08.56 | TeReL50 | coz_ http://pastebin.ca/444566 |
| 12:08.57 | tomix | I'm having problems with permissions when i run the script normally triggered by cron |
| 12:09.01 | aksn | wols_, it's in the non-free repository |
| 12:09.06 | pmv | wols_: yes it is |
| 12:09.11 | wols_ | aksn: that means it is NOT debian |
| 12:09.14 | wols_ | pmv: yes what? |
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| 12:09.18 | coz_ | TeReL50, hey thanks guy let give that a whirl |
| 12:09.20 | coz_ | :) |
| 12:09.31 | wols_ | !non-free |
| 12:09.31 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 12:09.41 | pmv | fine, fine |
| 12:09.49 | wintix | coz_: your sources.list should be fine. comment the cdrom line and the security lines out and run apt-get update |
| 12:10.03 | wols_ | coz_: for now. let the security repo stand |
| 12:10.04 | coz_ | wintix, will do thanks |
| 12:10.12 | aksn | wols_, java should become soon part of the official repository... |
| 12:10.17 | wols_ | not all elnny packages are newer versions than etch but many are the same |
| 12:10.25 | aksn | but you're right now |
| 12:10.26 | coz_ | TeReL50, and thank again guy will be in beryl later if you need me :) |
| 12:10.27 | wols_ | so sceurity issues in the ones that are he same will get fixed |
| 12:10.28 | stew | debian also distributes usable free java implementations, apt-cache showpkg java-virtual-machine |
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| 12:10.37 | wintix | coz_: after that run 'aptitude install libgtkglext1' |
| 12:10.45 | wols_ | aksn: yes it will, but that doesn't mean there is anything done by debian developers injava |
| 12:10.50 | wols_ | at least I don't know of anything |
| 12:11.06 | wols_ | debian is a distro: it packages and combines programs. it rarely writes them |
| 12:11.24 | wols_ | if you want to know what debian currently does: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2006 |
| 12:11.44 | wols_ | there might be some java project in there |
| 12:12.05 | aksn | mmm |
| 12:12.15 | aksn | thanks wols_ |
| 12:12.28 | aksn | i only want to help Java as free software |
| 12:12.29 | wols_ | aksn: jsut look form some DFSG compliant java project that does something you care about |
| 12:12.32 | wols_ | help them |
| 12:12.36 | stew | aksn: if you want to do work in java to help debian, a good way might be to see if you can help with one of the free java JREs, they all have long todo lists |
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| 12:13.04 | naught101 | has anyone here tried a bunch of these: http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels and can recommend one? |
| 12:13.18 | wols_ | stew: do you think they will thrive now that java itself goes GPL? |
| 12:13.26 | naught101 | I hope to be able to have users with limited tech knowledge |
| 12:13.50 | naught101 | I'm leaning towards GNUpanel, VHCS, or virtual/usermin |
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| 12:14.07 | zood_ | Is it completely impossible to install etch if USB floppy drive is my only option for installation and the boot floppies don't support usb floppy drives? |
| 12:14.07 | stew | wols_: dunno. |
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| 12:14.22 | stew | aksn: another thing would be to see if you can help with any of the java related bugs here: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 12:15.10 | wols_ | stew: gcj/classpath might. tho it's of course done in C/C++ not java |
| 12:15.17 | vin` | zood_: does it have an OS now? |
| 12:15.28 | cusco | zood_: ...and the boot floppies don't support usb floppy drives? <-- what do you mean by that? |
| 12:15.42 | zood_ | sarge but I don't wanna upgrade gause I have a wackey intallation and very little disk space |
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| 12:15.46 | stew | wols_: will sun allow their jre to be distributed with gnu classpath instead of thier classes? (right now its strictly prohibited) |
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| 12:16.11 | zood_ | cusco: sarge boot supported usb floppy intallation but they drivers were apparently removed from the etch boot floppies |
| 12:16.26 | stew | wols_: and remember, sun first started talking about opening up java somwhere in the 90s, i'm still in the "i'll believe it when i see it" camp |
| 12:16.40 | vin` | zood_: you could try debootstrap, but you'll need space. |
| 12:17.28 | aksn | stew, i found a tomcat related bug, might be interesting... thanks! |
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| 12:17.38 | naught101 | how often is http://packages.debian.org/stable/ updated? |
| 12:17.47 | naught101 | is it up to date with 4.0 yet? |
| 12:17.50 | zood_ | vin`: thanks I look into that |
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| 12:18.10 | naught101 | looking at http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/usermin, but I can't find it with aptitude |
| 12:18.18 | durrr | Hello. If someone were to be foolish enough to say "yes" when aptitude asks to remove the running kernel, is there an easy way to recover the kernel before the next boot? |
| 12:18.53 | azeem | durrr: just install it again? |
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| 12:19.09 | vin` | durrr: install it again. |
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| 12:19.35 | stew | naught101: do you have a security line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 12:19.55 | durrr | azeem: aptitude lists the package as "c" and won't let me mark it for installation. |
| 12:20.06 | wols_ | stew: I think sun will open Java. Not cause they want to of course. there will be much gnashing and wailing. but they do it for the same reason novell embraced linux: fear of bancrupcy |
| 12:20.11 | stew | durrr: are you in the middle of upgrading to etch? |
| 12:20.17 | tomix | does anyone here using munin at all? |
| 12:20.22 | durrr | stew: yes |
| 12:20.27 | wols_ | in sun it's more like DEC/SGI kinda scenario and not a SCO like, as it was with novell |
| 12:20.30 | wols_ | but the outcome is the same |
| 12:20.43 | stew | durrr: are you following the procedure in the release notes? or did you just try to dist-upgrade? |
| 12:20.58 | azeem | durrr: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:21.01 | liable | i think the release notes should mention how to fix aptitude removing the running kernel |
| 12:21.06 | naught101 | stew: yep |
| 12:21.22 | wols_ | stew: as for gcj/classpath: they have to allow if IF they go true GPL |
| 12:21.26 | stew | liable: if you follow the procedure in the release notes, it doesn't happen |
| 12:21.36 | liable | i purged aptitude even after doing the unmarkauto magic, then it stopped trying |
| 12:21.39 | naught101 | http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/usermin |
| 12:21.40 | wols_ | of course they can always pull a mozilla foundation and we get another iceweasel... |
| 12:21.41 | liable | stew: ^^^ |
| 12:21.42 | naught101 | whoops |
| 12:21.48 | naught101 | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:21.51 | stew | liable: had you already upgraded initrd-tools? |
| 12:21.52 | durrr | stew: I think aptitude did a dist-upgrade on my behalf. I just wanted to switch form php4 to php5, but it downloaded almost every package I had again and started upgrading. So I assume it is upgrading me to etch. |
| 12:21.56 | liable | stew: yep |
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| 12:22.13 | wols_ | 3. |
| 12:22.30 | durrr | azeem: 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 12:22.50 | stew | durrr: what version of initrd-tools is installed? |
| 12:23.21 | durrr | stew: 0.1.84.2 |
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| 12:23.49 | liable | stew: thats even after solely using aptitude on that box. it still wanted to removed my 2.6.8 kernel |
| 12:23.51 | hazel| | whats your favourite kernel? |
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| 12:24.05 | stew | durrr: do you still have sarge in your sources.list? what happens if you try to run "aptitude install kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686"? |
| 12:24.12 | dev\nu11 | 2.6.18-4 |
| 12:24.53 | durrr | stew: aptitude reports "No candidate version found for kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686" |
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| 12:25.01 | durrr | stew: I'll check on the sources.list |
| 12:25.50 | durrr | stew: sarge isn't listed. |
| 12:26.00 | liable | stable |
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| 12:27.29 | bytejumper | hi all, how I can install my atheros WiFi card on Sarge ? |
| 12:27.39 | wols_ | bytejumper: madwifi |
| 12:27.41 | wols_ | !atheros |
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| 12:27.57 | bytejumper | thanks |
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| 12:28.11 | wols_ | bytejumper: not in debian due to DFSG tho |
| 12:28.15 | breakingnews | are atheros chips good for use? |
| 12:28.28 | wols_ | !tell bytejumper about madwifi |
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| 12:28.40 | stew | durrr: add a line for sarge (duplicate the stable line), aptitude update ; aptitude install kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 12:28.44 | wols_ | if you ignore the license issues, I'd say yes |
| 12:30.53 | h3sp4wn | breakingnews: the actual radio's are the best |
| 12:30.55 | xand | an apostrophe does not a plural make |
| 12:30.58 | breakingnews | h3sp4wn, what do you mean? o.o |
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| 12:30.59 | durrr | stew: thank you, updating now. |
| 12:31.43 | h3sp4wn | breakingnews: think - what was your question about (atheros) |
| 12:31.44 | breakingnews | h3sp4wn, i have recycled lots of athros products |
| 12:32.19 | breakingnews | h3sp4wn, is there a sniffer for atheros chips? |
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| 12:32.40 | breakingnews | h3sp4wn, if so, it's time to... |
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| 12:32.59 | h3sp4wn | breakingnews: What do you mean - cracking is offtopic on this network |
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| 12:33.17 | breakingnews | ok |
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| 12:34.40 | h3sp4wn | That stuff works as well as with anything using madwifi for the most part though |
| 12:35.25 | h3sp4wn | (most of the best wireless cards - http://www.ubnt.com are atheros) |
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| 12:36.52 | liable | whats test -z |
| 12:37.32 | h3sp4wn | breakingnews: If you are bothered about the binary hal you can use http://snapshots.madwifi.org/madwifi-old-openhal/ |
| 12:37.46 | cusco | atheros madwifi has a propirataire HAL |
| 12:37.49 | cusco | :( |
| 12:38.08 | h3sp4wn | openhal is not though |
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| 12:38.22 | cusco | open-hal doesn't support all the atheros chipsets :( |
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| 12:38.35 | styx_ | hi anyone knows why openMosix was removed from debian? |
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| 12:39.01 | durrr | stew: thank you very much! vmlinuz is back in /boot. |
| 12:39.01 | icus | mysql failed during boot-up and syslog has this line: "^G/usr/sbin/mysqld: File '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.000730' not found (Errcode: 2)". this happen after an upgrade. i think it is setting in a mysql config file but can't remember exactly which one. any help? |
| 12:39.15 | azeem | styx_: #319817 |
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| 12:40.02 | stew | durrr: now you might run "aptitude hold kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686" to put that one on hold for now, then i'd strongly recommend following the upgrade procedure in chapter 4 of the release notes: /msg dpkg etch |
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| 12:40.52 | styx_ | azeem: any idea on what other cluster possibilities there are? |
| 12:40.58 | azeem | no |
| 12:40.58 | h3sp4wn | cusco: with poor quality hardware you are stuck (broadcom / ralink) can not be improved - high quality hardware - eventually it will be fine |
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| 12:41.09 | durrr | stew: thank you, I will. |
| 12:41.10 | styx_ | azeem: thank you |
| 12:41.12 | icus | also get this mysql error in syslog: "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'" |
| 12:41.24 | dosingrat | Hello, please what is alternative for burning CD in Etch ? Xcdroast and/or cdrecord from Debian 4.0 no longer recognize my cd burner. |
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| 12:41.52 | stew | dosingrat: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:41.53 | styx_ | dosingrat: cli or gui? |
| 12:42.02 | cusco | h3sp4wn: im not sure to what you are refering to but you have more fullmac chipsets arround |
| 12:42.10 | dosingrat | kernel 2.6.18 |
| 12:42.29 | dosingrat | gui and cli |
| 12:42.45 | fireba11 | aww .. great todays thunderbird nightly can't open new message windows anymore ^ |
| 12:42.56 | stew | dosingrat: how is the cdrom connected? ide? sata? scsi? |
| 12:43.17 | dosingrat | is the only alternative to temporarily install some 2.4x kernel ? |
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| 12:43.25 | dosingrat | scsi |
| 12:43.52 | dosingrat | burner is scsi, and in 2.4.257 there was scsi emulation which is no longer supported in kernel 2.6x |
| 12:44.01 | dosingrat | what are alternatives ? |
| 12:44.08 | stew | dosingrat: what does scsi emulation have anything to do with this? |
| 12:44.15 | dosingrat | I installed the newest cdrecord in /usr/local.. but it didn't help |
| 12:44.24 | stew | dosingrat: is sr_mod loaded? |
| 12:44.47 | stew | dosingrat: when you compiled your kenrel, did you compile it with scsi as modules or directly into the kenrel? |
| 12:45.25 | dosingrat | kernel is not modular, I compile all as a monolite kernel |
| 12:45.46 | dosingrat | what is that option in config-2.6.18 ? |
| 12:46.04 | dosingrat | I compile everyhing directly into the kernel |
| 12:46.08 | dosingrat | always |
| 12:46.13 | h3sp4wn | cusco: atheros hardware is the best (excluding software) - the rest is very poor in comparison (forget software that can be solved) |
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| 12:46.19 | dosingrat | and, in Sarge everything was working well |
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| 12:47.39 | ringo999 | debian/tomcat question: i installed tomcat5.5 using aptitude, but where do I find the CATLINA_HOME path? |
| 12:47.50 | dosingrat | is there any other software in debian that can handle that ridiculous scsi issue in new kernels ? |
| 12:48.02 | breakingnews | who are still using potato now? |
| 12:48.12 | stew | dosingrat: it would probably work fine if you used a debian kenrel. |
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| 12:48.20 | robin_sz | breakingnews, the irish? |
| 12:48.25 | breakingnews | hahaha |
| 12:48.34 | dosingrat | it is a debian kernel |
| 12:48.36 | stew | dosingrat: or what is "that ridiculous scsi issue in new kernels" that you are referring to? |
| 12:48.44 | stew | dosingrat: no, its one you built yourself |
| 12:48.44 | breakingnews | i mean... debian potato |
| 12:48.46 | dosingrat | linux-source debianized |
| 12:49.01 | robin_sz | breakingnews, ahh, right, I thought you meant deviant potato |
| 12:49.07 | zamuro | Any good material to make a shoutcast broadcast on amd64? |
| 12:49.17 | zamuro | Just found 32bits tools :S |
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| 12:49.58 | dosingrat | stew: scsi is, as they say, no longer supported by cdrecord, and the error message/warning I am getting from cdrecord says "either use Solaris or go back to 2.4.x kernels |
| 12:50.17 | stew | dosingrat: scsi is and always will be supported by cdrecord |
| 12:50.18 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: how is atheros better than others? |
| 12:50.21 | ringo999 | debian/tomcat question: i installed tomcat5.5 using aptitude on debian, where do I find the path to CATLINA_HOME? |
| 12:50.23 | wols_ | the hardware I mean |
| 12:50.47 | dosingrat | stew, yes, I buit the kernel myself, using kernel-package, and a debianized linux kernel source, |
| 12:50.53 | stew | dosingrat: are you actually using cdrecord? or wodim? etch doens't have cdrecord anymore but wodim which replaces it (and should start making those ridiculous messages go away) |
| 12:51.07 | stew | dosingrat: what does "readlink -f $(which cdrecord)" say? |
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| 12:52.24 | ootput | are there any iceweasel extensions that can call upon lftp for transfers? |
| 12:52.31 | dosingrat | stew, it says /opt/schily/bin/cdrecord which I symlinked to /usr/local/bin (ver Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01.01a25 (i686-pc-linux-gnu)..." |
| 12:52.56 | stew | dosingrat: ok, so this isn't a debian problem at all. you are tyring to use a non-debian version of cdrecord with a non-debian kernel |
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| 12:53.17 | dosingrat | because, old cdrecord from debian didn't work, but now I see the latest cdrecord doesn't work either |
| 12:53.24 | stew | dosingrat: i'd recommend you try a debian kernel, which i'm guessing will will and identify this as a kenrel problem |
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| 12:53.42 | dosingrat | I purged dpkg --purge cdrecord once it didn't work |
| 12:53.56 | stew | dosingrat: cdrecord in etch is a dummy package |
| 12:53.58 | dosingrat | however, in 2.4.27 all was well |
| 12:54.12 | dosingrat | what ? |
| 12:54.18 | stew | dosingrat: right, again confirming my suspicion that the problem is actually with your kenrel, not with cdrecord |
| 12:54.31 | dosingrat | how do you mean a dummy package ? |
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| 12:54.48 | ootput | is there a -free alternative to cdrecord? |
| 12:54.50 | stew | dosingrat: the cdrecord package does not contain the cdrecord program in etch, its just there to depend on the wodim package which is cdrecord's replacement |
| 12:54.57 | stew | ootput: yes, wodim |
| 12:54.58 | dosingrat | aptitude download it when I was upgradiing from sarge |
| 12:55.01 | ootput | that doesn't adopt the same license |
| 12:55.04 | ootput | yep, that's it |
| 12:55.08 | stew | !wodim |
| 12:55.08 | dpkg | i heard wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 12:55.08 | ootput | part of a suite, i believe |
| 12:55.11 | dosingrat | ok |
| 12:55.18 | dosingrat | oh man |
| 12:55.22 | ootput | but it used to go by something else |
| 12:55.23 | dosingrat | all right than |
| 12:55.25 | ootput | cd___ |
| 12:55.41 | stew | ootput: cdrtools? |
| 12:56.06 | ootput | stew: spot on |
| 12:56.08 | stew | ootput: that was the name of the source package (iirc), which is now cdrkit |
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| 12:58.35 | Balrok | hi all |
| 12:58.41 | ootput | i wish there was a firefox addon that automatically generated a script to parse the addon homepage to re-download the xpi's of currently installed addons for future installation |
| 12:59.01 | h3sp4wn | wols_: how is the core2 a better architecture than current amd - it just is - my opinion is derived from various long and short range wireless links with equipment from different manufacturers |
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| 12:59.43 | Balrok | i need to do a proffessional demo for a program, how could i do it? |
| 13:00.00 | ootput | Balrok: record vnc session? |
| 13:00.11 | Balrok | mmmm |
| 13:00.22 | dutchfish | Balrok, xvidc? |
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| 13:00.31 | Balrok | maybe but i think this could be a little bit heavy |
| 13:00.32 | coldsteal | hello |
| 13:00.44 | Balrok | isn't? |
| 13:01.08 | ootput | Balrok: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/04/screen_capture_movies.html |
| 13:01.27 | ootput | Balrok: not heavy |
| 13:01.35 | ootput | but not necessarily straightforward either |
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| 13:02.08 | Balrok | ootput: i could try with this thx so much |
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| 13:02.22 | ootput | or you could use xvidcap & xscript |
| 13:02.31 | Balrok | mmm |
| 13:02.38 | Balrok | i think this look like better |
| 13:02.44 | coldsteal | im trying to figure out what to install |
| 13:02.46 | dosingrat | Now xcdroast refuses to start because it says depends of wodim at least 1.11a34, but the version in Etch is 1.1.2. |
| 13:02.51 | coldsteal | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.51 | dosingrat | I don't know |
| 13:02.53 | ootput | Balrok: how will you be presenting it? |
| 13:02.57 | dosingrat | I don't know, really |
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| 13:03.22 | Balrok | ootput: i don't know how to do exactly... |
| 13:03.37 | stew | dosingrat: what version of xcdroast? |
| 13:03.38 | Balrok | ootput: the demo is for infosecurity |
| 13:03.45 | Balrok | :S |
| 13:04.06 | dosingrat | stew, 0.98alpha15 |
| 13:04.16 | coldsteal | im trying to figure out what to install/download last time i installed debain i did everything from scratch |
| 13:04.23 | coldsteal | i think net install |
| 13:04.38 | dutchfish | apropos, will xvidcap be in lenny? |
| 13:04.48 | dosingrat | Ok I'll download the newere wodim and install it in /usr/local |
| 13:04.52 | coldsteal | where do i get the lenny iso |
| 13:05.05 | stew | dosingrat: why don't you use the packaging system? |
| 13:05.38 | dosingrat | I use aptitude |
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| 13:05.55 | dosingrat | and apt-get sometimes |
| 13:06.02 | dosingrat | sometimes dselect as well |
| 13:06.27 | dosingrat | but, xcdroast won't start with this wodim version, as it said in the message |
| 13:06.27 | stew | dosingrat: how do you use aptitude to install a program to /usr/local ? |
| 13:06.42 | stew | dosingrat: what does "which xcdroast" say? |
| 13:06.45 | coldsteal | i only see stably iso |
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| 13:07.23 | dosingrat | now, I am going to install the newer wodim in /usr/local, and I previously installed the newest cdrecored in there when I found the one from Etch didn't work |
| 13:07.26 | coldsteal | ANYONE |
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| 13:07.45 | dosingrat | /usr/bin/xcdroast |
| 13:07.54 | dosingrat | 0.98alpha15 |
| 13:07.54 | dutchfish | coldsteal, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:08.25 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: easy. there are a ton of bechmarks which show that core2 runs faster than amd at same clock, plus core2 is better OCable |
| 13:08.53 | coldsteal | dutchfish: im looking for lenny netinstall iso |
| 13:09.05 | dutchfish | coldsteal, lenny = testing |
| 13:09.11 | stew | dosingrat: if your current version of wodim won't burn with your current kernel, what makes you think that xcdroast using wodim will do any better? |
| 13:09.20 | stew | coldsteal: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 13:10.06 | dosingrat | yes, but the strange thing why xcdroast refuses to start |
| 13:10.32 | stew | dosingrat: what version does "apt-cache policy xcdroast | grep Installed" report? |
| 13:10.55 | Nss | hi, who know what are the correct option to put in fstab for mount a vfat partition at boot time? |
| 13:11.03 | dosingrat | stew, it says "Installed: 0.98+0alpha15-11.1" |
| 13:11.11 | wols_ | !vfatrw |
| 13:11.11 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 13:11.42 | Nss | WOW :D |
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| 13:11.47 | wols_ | coldsteal: you install etch and upgrade |
| 13:12.18 | Nss | tnx wols_ |
| 13:12.28 | coldsteal | wols_: i got it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:12.41 | dutchfish | wols_, do you know if it is the correct way to sign (even as non-developer) with gpg private deb package? or do i need another aproach? |
| 13:12.43 | ootput | have any of you compiled emacs-snapshot from source in etch? |
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| 13:13.24 | xNinja | hello.... |
| 13:13.28 | xNinja | i did apt-get install openssl |
| 13:13.35 | xNinja | is that the correct way to install ssl ? |
| 13:13.51 | Tenshi | I'm looking for some help getting a software raid array (set up on a different machine), initialized on my server (it's final destination). Has anyone done this, and can they get me started? |
| 13:14.03 | stew | xNinja: you should not need to do that. what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:14.39 | xNinja | stew i want to install ezbnc with ssl support to install to secure irc with ssl |
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| 13:14.56 | stew | xNinja: you are trying to compile it? |
| 13:14.57 | xNinja | to connect* |
| 13:15.05 | xNinja | stew yes |
| 13:15.34 | xNinja | i did ./configure --with-ssl [=/usr/lib/ssl] |
| 13:15.37 | stew | xNinja: you want libssl-dev then (libraries with -dev are for compiling, without -dev are for runtime) |
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| 13:15.47 | ootput | xNinja: what he said |
| 13:16.02 | h3sp4wn | wols_: Thats not why its better, just that it is (why would relate to the design of the chip) At the same transmit power using atheros I can get ~ double the transfer rate of an equivalent broadcom or ralink - everything else the same just swap the mini pci (presumably broadcom / ralink don't know either or there stuff would be better) |
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| 13:17.02 | xNinja | ok i am installing it stew....but is my option correct like this? ./configure --with-ssl [=/usr/lib/ssl] |
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| 13:17.13 | xNinja | yep it works |
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| 13:17.30 | xNinja | thanks stew :D |
| 13:17.45 | stew | xNinja: some config files might want it to be /usr/lib/ssl, some might want /usr ; some will work with either |
| 13:17.51 | stew | ^files^scripts |
| 13:18.04 | xNinja | aha |
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| 13:19.14 | stew | dosingrat: the bts for xcdroast seems to list lots of problems with it finding the correct wodim |
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| 13:20.13 | xNinja | cya |
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| 13:20.40 | hcy | anyone know why, after doing an apt-get upgrade, i have no audio device listed in the audio output devices drop-down list in audacity? |
| 13:20.47 | dosingrat | besides xcdroast is there some other software that will recognize my cd burner, I have no kde nor gnome installed. |
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| 13:20.53 | hcy | i'm able to record but not playback (from in audacity) |
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| 13:21.31 | pearl | hcy: try to connect the input/output channels with jack? |
| 13:21.38 | nn-main | what is a good disasmblear |
| 13:21.39 | stew | hcy: using alsa or oss? |
| 13:21.52 | wols_ | nn-main: IDA Pro |
| 13:22.01 | pearl | wols_: opensource? |
| 13:22.06 | wols_ | pearl: you wish |
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| 13:22.22 | hcy | stew: i have alsa |
| 13:22.36 | hcy | pearl: huh? |
| 13:22.41 | stew | hcy: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 13:23.30 | pearl | non-opensource sucks :) |
| 13:24.02 | coldsteal | will this work with lenny http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=8&post_id=884#forumpost883 |
| 13:24.11 | hcy | stew: i believe so, yes. I get this error on commandline: "Expression 'ValidateParameters( outputParameters, outputDeviceInfo, StreamMode_Out )' failed in 'src/hostapi/oss/pa_unix_oss.c', line: 1206". And whe |
| 13:24.43 | hcy | And when I try to play back, a popup error saying "Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate." |
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| 13:25.04 | stew | hcy: you believe so? why not check? run "lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss" |
| 13:25.04 | hcy | output device settings has no options in the dropdown list. |
| 13:25.10 | coldsteal | *will etch stuuf work for lenny |
| 13:25.20 | pablo_ | hi, can i install novells offcie opne xml for oo http://www.novell.com/documentation/openwg/esd/di_ooo_openxml_translator.html |
| 13:25.33 | hcy | stew: yes, it's loaded |
| 13:26.31 | stew | hcy: are you in the audio group? does it work as root? |
| 13:26.54 | wols_ | pearl: maybe but there is no better disassembler in existance unless the NSA or FSB have something better |
| 13:27.12 | nn-main | wols_, what package |
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| 13:27.31 | wols_ | nn-main: it's not Free software |
| 13:27.45 | sciboy | Hey, any of you guys got a BartPE installation on ya? |
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| 13:27.53 | hcy | stew: yes, i'm in the audio group, and no, same errors as root |
| 13:27.54 | stew | nn-main: have you tried just "apt-cache search disassembler" ? |
| 13:28.05 | wols_ | sciboy: don't ask for it cause giving it to you would be illegal. copyright infringement |
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| 13:28.41 | sciboy | wols_: But that means i can't run this bios flashing utility and save my graphics card. =| |
| 13:28.48 | abrotman | save it ? |
| 13:29.03 | sciboy | It's not working at the moment. |
| 13:29.19 | wols_ | sciboy: buy a better graphics card next time |
| 13:29.31 | wols_ | asking others to commit copyright infringement is the wrong way |
| 13:29.41 | wols_ | sciboy: try FreeDOS |
| 13:29.54 | sciboy | It's a windows application, not dos. |
| 13:30.00 | sciboy | Otherwise i would've set up a bootdisk easy. |
| 13:30.07 | wols_ | sciboy: then you are in the wrong channel, aren't you? |
| 13:30.40 | sciboy | Nope, because debian isn't able to communicate with the bios of my video card and this is the solution i'm seeing at the moment. |
| 13:30.45 | ootput | sciboy: i use freedos for bios flashing |
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| 13:31.01 | sciboy | ootput: Yeah but the manufacturer only put out a windows tool. |
| 13:31.12 | sciboy | Which is quite lame. D= |
| 13:31.20 | wols_ | sciboy: your solution is to ask a channel of rabid Free software users to commit a crime? way to go sciboy |
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| 13:31.40 | wols_ | !moron sciboy |
| 13:31.41 | dpkg | sciboy: You are moron #36 |
| 13:31.49 | Talisker | is it normal that I can't find the package checkinstall? |
| 13:31.55 | wols_ | I think you deserved this one several times over |
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| 13:32.08 | Talisker | Isn't it supposed to be on all of the official mirrors? |
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| 13:33.03 | tux | hi all |
| 13:33.08 | sciboy | Howdy tux. =) |
| 13:33.08 | wols_ | Talisker: if it's on pdo, then yes |
| 13:33.11 | sciboy | I'm a big fan. |
| 13:33.14 | abrotman | Talisker: what's the error ? run apt-get update first |
| 13:33.23 | tux | I have a problem |
| 13:33.26 | tux | with my debian |
| 13:33.44 | sciboy | You need to tell us what the problem is. |
| 13:33.45 | Talisker | I updated the package list, yes |
| 13:33.45 | tux | I would like to install Xgl |
| 13:33.51 | Talisker | And I get "cannot find package" |
| 13:33.58 | tux | but I haven't found Xgl for Xorg 7.1 |
| 13:34.03 | wols_ | !xgl |
| 13:34.04 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 13:34.05 | tux | *the precompiled package |
| 13:34.17 | hcy | stew: any other ideas? |
| 13:34.23 | wols_ | tux: afaik it's not in debian. see th factoid |
| 13:34.24 | tux | I have read all the documentations |
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| 13:34.50 | wols_ | tux: you have a ati videocard |
| 13:35.03 | tux | wols_ |
| 13:35.07 | tux | yes ati radeon X800gto2 |
| 13:35.10 | tux | I have to use fglrx |
| 13:35.23 | Talisker | I'm trying to use only official sources but I still get errors though, some files refuse to download when I run apt-get update |
| 13:35.25 | wols_ | I thought you could use ati with that card |
| 13:35.33 | Fox | shouldn't ati users use AIGLX ? |
| 13:35.39 | tux | Fox no |
| 13:35.58 | tux | wols_ no |
| 13:36.06 | wols_ | Fox: they can't. aiglx not workie |
| 13:36.13 | tux | the ati open driver not works with my card |
| 13:36.27 | Fox | ok |
| 13:36.29 | tux | first in my gentoo it functions very well |
| 13:36.36 | tux | but then my hd was broken |
| 13:36.37 | Talisker | This doesn't make any sense, how is it possible that I have all the official sources but I still can't get checkinstall? I'm missing on a whole lot of packages that should be available |
| 13:36.41 | tux | and now I have installed debian |
| 13:36.49 | tux | and now I would like to install Xgl |
| 13:37.11 | Talisker | unless they have removed a whole bunch of packages since I last used debian, which doesn't seem reasonable |
| 13:37.14 | abrotman | there is no XGL in debian .. we have AIGLX |
| 13:37.19 | tux | but I haven't idea to found the .deb packages of xgl for xorg7.1 for amd64 |
| 13:37.29 | tux | abrotman ok I understand but |
| 13:37.32 | abrotman | !tell tux about xgl |
| 13:37.37 | abrotman | but what? |
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| 13:38.10 | tux | but there are many howto |
| 13:38.17 | tux | but it works only xorg 7.1 |
| 13:38.31 | abrotman | okay .. that's the version of X in stable/testing/unstable .. |
| 13:38.39 | wols_ | tux: radeon x800 is supported by the open source driver.is your gto2 different compared to the vanilla x800? |
| 13:38.40 | Fox | Talisker: what mirrors are you using ? |
| 13:38.40 | tux | and I don't know to downgrade to xorg7.1 |
| 13:38.42 | tux | sorry xorg 7.0 non xorg7.1 |
| 13:38.52 | abrotman | don't the instructions work? |
| 13:39.05 | Talisker | Right now? us.debian.org |
| 13:39.15 | Talisker | Which is a shame, because there's a really fast local mirror |
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| 13:40.02 | Fox | Talisker: what does apt say when you try to install checkinstall ? |
| 13:40.05 | tux | wols_ are you sure? |
| 13:40.11 | tux | when I buy it |
| 13:40.13 | Talisker | Cannot find package checkinstall |
| 13:40.16 | tux | it isn't compatible |
| 13:40.33 | hark | Talisker: that's ok |
| 13:40.38 | Talisker | Seems as though checkinstall is plainly not on the repo |
| 13:40.39 | hark | !info checkinstall etch |
| 13:40.44 | wols_ | tux: r300.sourceforge.net. look for yourself |
| 13:40.47 | wols_ | also: http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl/ |
| 13:40.56 | wols_ | tux: you haven't looked a lot have you? |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | Talisker: there's also stow |
| 13:41.03 | tux | wols_ yes but it is precompiled for xorg7.0 |
| 13:41.08 | Talisker | what's stow? |
| 13:41.15 | abrotman | !stom |
| 13:41.16 | abrotman | !stow |
| 13:41.16 | dpkg | methinks stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 13:41.21 | wols_ | tux: have you tried it? |
| 13:41.27 | abrotman | !+info checkinstall etch |
| 13:41.29 | dpkg | Package 'checkinstall' does not exist. |
| 13:41.31 | Fox | Talisker: checkinstall is in sarge/sid not in etch |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | problem solved :) |
| 13:41.44 | tux | wols_ yes but |
| 13:41.45 | Talisker | OIC |
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| 13:41.50 | tux | it doesn't function |
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| 13:41.53 | Talisker | That's because I'm using stable... |
| 13:41.58 | abrotman | stop ending the sentence with but!!!! |
| 13:42.05 | abrotman | Talisker: try stow |
| 13:42.15 | Talisker | But people around here told me that it's best that I use stable if I have a dual-core CPU |
| 13:42.15 | FASZFOX | rofl basszatok meg kocsog kurva anyatokat tetves hulladek faszgecik |
| 13:42.25 | FASZFOX | kibelezlek gecibe titeket kiskancsok |
| 13:42.34 | tux | I try the open ati driver |
| 13:42.35 | stew | FASZFOX: english only in here, please. what is your native language? |
| 13:42.36 | FASZFOX | mocskos szargeci nyugati zsidok |
| 13:42.48 | FASZFOX | ok sorry:) |
| 13:43.12 | abrotman | ah .. arizona ? |
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| 13:43.26 | Talisker | Can't I just use the unstable repo? |
| 13:43.30 | stew | FASZFOX: if you prefer your native language, tell us what it is. there is likely to be a language specific channel |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | Talisker: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:43.42 | stew | Talisker: you don't want to mix releases |
| 13:43.44 | abrotman | stew: i don't think that was a language |
| 13:44.44 | Talisker | So if I don't want to use sarge on a Dual-Core CPU, and I don't want to mix distros.... what do I want? |
| 13:44.57 | Gnea | S |
| 13:45.03 | Talisker | To build all them packages by myself? |
| 13:45.09 | stew | Talisker: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:46.24 | Talisker | Is there any good reason not to use testing on a dual core chip? |
| 13:46.35 | stew | Talisker: you won't get timely security updates |
| 13:46.47 | Talisker | And that's it? |
| 13:47.02 | wols_ | Talisker: there can be breakage |
| 13:47.04 | stew | Talisker: testing is likely to be going through a bunch of growing pains in the near future |
| 13:47.06 | wols_ | less than sid but it happens |
| 13:47.27 | Talisker | Err... I think I've meant "unstable" |
| 13:47.30 | stew | and when it happens, it happens for a longer period of time |
| 13:47.33 | Talisker | Which one is the former one? |
| 13:47.34 | wols_ | Talisker: dual core doesn't matter which debian branch you use |
| 13:47.38 | stew | Talisker: you definately don't want unstable |
| 13:47.42 | wols_ | sarge is perfectly fine with dual core |
| 13:47.48 | Talisker | OK, I got my terms mixed up |
| 13:47.54 | Talisker | I think I'll just install sarge |
| 13:47.57 | wols_ | tho, for sarge you probably want a recent kmuto kernel, that's all |
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| 13:48.04 | Talisker | Anyway to update etch to sarge? |
| 13:48.05 | wols_ | !tell Talisker about kmuto |
| 13:48.06 | stew | Talisker: why not etch (the current stable)? |
| 13:48.12 | Ronin | Talisker: you have that backwards |
| 13:48.13 | stew | Talisker: that's a downgrade, so no |
| 13:48.17 | wols_ | I'd install etch and use a simple sid backport if I were you |
| 13:48.20 | Talisker | That's a downgrade? |
| 13:48.26 | Ronin | Talisker: yes |
| 13:48.32 | Ronin | etch is stable, sarge is oldstable |
| 13:48.33 | stew | Talisker: yes, sarge was released in 2005, etch was released a week ago |
| 13:48.35 | Talisker | I mixed it up with sid |
| 13:48.36 | wols_ | Talisker: sarge is oldstable |
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| 13:48.52 | Talisker | Too much names. |
| 13:48.53 | wols_ | Talisker: are you running a personal desktop? |
| 13:49.00 | Talisker | Sorta |
| 13:49.00 | wols_ | there ar only 4 names right now |
| 13:49.14 | Talisker | Well, there used to be three when I was in business |
| 13:49.18 | klikklak | hi, I've never used a duplexer before and I'm having trouble. The thing is, when I print two sided, the second page is upside down (and not like you'd find in a book). Can anyone help a bit? |
| 13:49.27 | wols_ | if you must deviate from etch (which I don't understand right now), use lenny |
| 13:49.32 | wols_ | less breakage hopefully |
| 13:49.38 | Talisker | Lenny is...? |
| 13:49.42 | wols_ | testing |
| 13:49.46 | stew | (/topic) |
| 13:50.04 | Talisker | I'll try the sid backport |
| 13:50.12 | wols_ | good choice :) |
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| 13:50.39 | abrotman | or he could use stow ... |
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| 13:50.41 | mips | With the GUI installer what does the Desktop Env option install ? Just X ? |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | mips: depends on your CD .. what are oyu trying to install ? |
| 13:51.11 | wols_ | stew: since there are a few programs missing (like checkinstall) in etch, probably due to RC bugs, will they come back in r1 or a later release of etch? |
| 13:51.19 | stew | wols_: nope |
| 13:51.19 | mips | abrotman, got the netinstall cd |
| 13:51.27 | abrotman | mips: okay .. what are you actually trying to install ? |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | kde? gnome? xfce? |
| 13:51.38 | mips | abrotman, X |
| 13:51.45 | abrotman | i got that part ... |
| 13:51.51 | stew | wols_: the only new packages you should expect to show up in etch are new kernels (which will be a first for a debian release) |
| 13:51.51 | Talisker | Do I need to use any special sources for that? |
| 13:51.52 | wols_ | mips: IIRC it installs gnome |
| 13:51.53 | abrotman | which window manager ? |
| 13:51.59 | Talisker | Or just the stable ones? |
| 13:52.07 | mips | abrotman, KDE later on once X is up |
| 13:52.09 | wols_ | stew: sdo why did they remove stuff like checkinstall but keep it in sid? |
| 13:52.09 | cydork | stew: is that fixed?? |
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| 13:52.22 | wols_ | Talisker: sid sources of course |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | mips: aptitude install kde x-window-system kdm |
| 13:52.29 | wols_ | Talisker: source |
| 13:52.34 | abrotman | mips: skip the tasksel thing |
| 13:52.35 | Talisker | That would be the testing source, right? |
| 13:52.39 | stew | wols_: probably becuase of rc bugs, i dunno though |
| 13:52.41 | wols_ | mips: doN't use tasksel at all. it's evil |
| 13:52.43 | stew | cydork: is what fixed? |
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| 13:52.57 | cydork | stew: the new kernel for etch . |
| 13:52.57 | wols_ | mips: do what abrotman said after the install |
| 13:53.04 | Talisker | [the whole name scheme confuses me] |
| 13:53.19 | abrotman | !releases |
| 13:53.19 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 13:53.29 | stew | cydork: there is no new kernel yet. the kernel team has said that in 6 months or so they will release new etch kernels though |
| 13:53.29 | Talisker | If I have a few mirrors of the same source |
| 13:53.35 | Talisker | How does apt priorize them? |
| 13:53.44 | mips | abrotman, wols. The option for Desktop Env. does not specify anything so one does not know if it is just X, KDE or whatever ? |
| 13:53.47 | wols_ | stew:there are already people who can't install with 2.6.18 |
| 13:53.48 | cydork | stew: yeah that's what i wanted to know, thanks. |
| 13:53.49 | Talisker | Does it just go from top to bottom on the sources file? |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | mips: you don't want to use that one |
| 13:53.56 | wols_ | right now they need to install kmuto and them upgrade |
| 13:54.13 | wols_ | mips: it is gnome. and tasksel is teh suck. stay away |
| 13:54.18 | wols_ | mips: man tasksel |
| 13:54.22 | mips | abrotman, I suppose it weould be ok to install the laptop stuff with it ? |
| 13:54.28 | abrotman | i guess |
| 13:54.32 | stew | Talisker: if they are all for the same release it uses the first one. if they are for different releases, it uses the highest available version of a package unless you have setup pinning in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:54.34 | wols_ | Talisker: order in sources file doesn't matter |
| 13:54.41 | abrotman | though most people that have used debian for awhile avoid using tasksel |
| 13:54.49 | mips | ok, i'm now busy doing a normal text based installer for the base system |
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| 13:54.57 | stew | wols_: then how does it decide which mirror to use if you have two 'etch' sources? |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | magic! |
| 13:55.05 | wols_ | mips: no need. check tasksel what the laptop stuff encompasses and isntall it manually via aptitude |
| 13:55.21 | mips | wols_, ok thx, let me google |
| 13:55.25 | stew | wols_: whats the difference between intalling it manually and having tasksel install it? |
| 13:55.34 | wols_ | stew: it gets the file fromt he repo that has the newer file |
| 13:55.43 | stew | wols_: they would have the same |
| 13:55.45 | wols_ | if both have the same file: who cares where it gets it? |
| 13:55.57 | wols_ | stew: tasksel installs a lot of shit |
| 13:56.04 | wols_ | e.g. the laptop thing installs BT |
| 13:56.07 | stew | wols_: yes. but you just told him to intall the same shit |
| 13:56.13 | wols_ | desktop env installs gnome, etc |
| 13:57.12 | Talisker | So the sid backport flag scans the testing repos but adds only "approved" packages to the list? |
| 13:57.15 | wols_ | stew: imho deselect was better than tasksel :P |
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| 13:58.03 | stew | Talisker: what is the "sid backport flag" ? |
| 13:58.19 | abrotman | stew: he's asking if the Desktop task installs KDE .. IIRC it does not |
| 13:58.22 | Talisker | Well, you told me to use sid backport |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | or was anyways |
| 13:58.30 | stew | Talisker: yes |
| 13:58.38 | Talisker | Which is actually just adding an alies, which runs apt-get with certein flags |
| 13:58.49 | Talisker | What do these flags mean? |
| 13:58.59 | stew | Talisker: -b? |
| 13:59.15 | stew | Talisker: or what exactly are you asking about? |
| 13:59.25 | Talisker | -t |
| 13:59.26 | Talisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.57 | Talisker | alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' sorry |
| 14:00.09 | stew | wtf |
| 14:00.11 | stew | !backports |
| 14:00.11 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 14:00.18 | stew | why would anyone actually want that? |
| 14:00.23 | stew | !factinfo backports |
| 14:00.23 | dpkg | backports -- last modified at Thu Nov 9 14:40:44 2006 by oOGneaOo!i=gnea@static-64-115-76-34.isp.broadviewnet.net; it has been requested 288 times, last by stew, 12s ago. |
| 14:00.30 | stew | Gnea: ?? |
| 14:00.34 | Talisker | stew: that's what dpkg told me to do :/ you ordered it to |
| 14:00.43 | stew | !simple sid backport |
| 14:00.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 14:00.44 | cydork | Talisker: dont do that.. backports is ok for some packges not all. |
| 14:00.47 | stew | Talisker: ^^^ that is the one you want |
| 14:00.58 | RichiH | !msg |
| 14:00.59 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 14:01.02 | RichiH | scnr ;) |
| 14:01.25 | RichiH | whoah, old factoid |
| 14:01.25 | Talisker | ... |
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| 14:01.41 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.56 | Talisker | I think I'll be using sid |
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| 14:02.23 | Talisker | ANyway, late for school |
| 14:02.24 | Talisker | Bye |
| 14:02.24 | stew | Talisker: what do you mean by "using sid"? |
| 14:02.28 | hipodilski | Hi guys i've upgraded sarge-> etch and after the upgrade I have problems with my serial mouse with gpm somebody experiencing similar problems |
| 14:02.37 | stew | Talisker: in general you don't want to use sid, you just want to fetch this one source from sid |
| 14:02.39 | Talisker | I mean installing sid on my system instead of etch :) |
| 14:02.48 | stew | Talisker: you don't want sid |
| 14:02.51 | Talisker | Why not? I used it for years |
| 14:02.57 | Talisker | Did it change? |
| 14:03.04 | stew | Talisker: becuase you don't know enough about how the packaging system works |
| 14:03.12 | stew | it changes daily |
| 14:03.29 | hipodilski | I've used until now from the XFree86Config as a mouse device /dev/gpmdata and in my /etc/gpm.conf as a mouse device It was setupped /dev/ttyS0 since my mouse is on serial port 1 |
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| 14:03.53 | Talisker | I can learn, that's not the problem. Right not I just want my system running the way I like it |
| 14:03.55 | mips | Where do i get information on what packages tasksel installs, google has got me on a wild goose chase here ? |
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| 14:04.00 | hipodilski | unfortunately now when using under X sometimes the cursor stops to respond |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | hipodilski: do you use a mouse in the console ? |
| 14:04.15 | hipodilski | abrotman: yes both X and gpm |
| 14:04.15 | abrotman | mips: tasksel --list-packages <task> or something like that .. man tasksel |
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| 14:04.22 | Talisker | The only reason I didn't install it is because I was told it doesn't play nice with dual core CPUs, is that true? |
| 14:04.29 | abrotman | hipodilski: is the serial mouse driver loaded ? |
| 14:04.47 | hipodilski | abrotman: how can I check this? |
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| 14:04.52 | abrotman | lsmod ? |
| 14:04.59 | stew | Talisker: any current release of debian works fine with dual core CPUs |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | use dmesg to see if there ise a mouse detected |
| 14:05.12 | Talisker | OK thanks |
| 14:05.40 | hipodilski | abrotman: mouse is detected it works both under in console and in X but sometimes the cursor stops to respond and until gpm is restarted my mouse is not working in the X env. |
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| 14:05.58 | rob_melb | can I get lightscribe working in debian ? |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | hipodilski: so you have to start X .. then restart gpm ? |
| 14:06.03 | Azar | Mister RichiH !! good morning and nice to see you :) |
| 14:06.09 | rob_melb | using lacie |
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| 14:06.16 | semtec | hi @ all: does somebody has experiences with VMWare Server 3.1 under Debian Etch. I need a hint :-) |
| 14:06.32 | abrotman | ask a better question ... also maybe try #vmware |
| 14:06.37 | abrotman | i hate coffee |
| 14:06.37 | semtec | ok |
| 14:07.20 | Talisker | Does testing have a net install? |
| 14:07.20 | abrotman | why do you want testing ? |
| 14:07.20 | Azar | coffe is my brain's drug in the morning |
| 14:07.20 | wintix | Talisker: yes. |
| 14:07.21 | hipodilski | abrotman: no when starting X gpm works for example I login to my wmaker I open a terminal etc. but then let's say I decide to open iceweasel and the cursor freezes and it the fix is only to restart the gpm |
| 14:07.41 | abrotman | eh .. that's odd |
| 14:07.49 | Talisker | Where? Netinstall page only has them for the stable release |
| 14:08.01 | Talisker | Oh found it, sorry |
| 14:08.10 | infernix | with bonnie++ i am getting ~40mbyte/s read speeds over NFS to my Etch amd64 box (e1000, core 2 duo 3Ghz) from my Etch i386 box (skge, Celeron 320, 9x320GB raid5), but only ~13MB write speed. bonnie++ on the 9x320GB raid5 shows that it can do 38MB/s write and 47MB/s read. |
| 14:08.13 | Tenshi | Talisker, is your nickname after one of my favorite scotches? |
| 14:08.23 | wintix | Talisker: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:08.24 | abrotman | Talisker: why would you .. you realize that stuff in testing breaks .. right ? |
| 14:08.43 | infernix | how can I figure out why I have only 13MB write speed over NFS? |
| 14:08.57 | Azar | Talisker: if you are new to Debian try 4.0 Etch first, if you don't like it you can upgrade to testing later |
| 14:09.02 | Talisker | Tenshi: probably :) |
| 14:09.34 | Talisker | I realize that stuff in testing breaks, I've used both etch and sid before, and I'm definitely NOT new to debian, but I DO appreciate your concern :) |
| 14:09.51 | Azar | Talisker: oh sorry, I got the wrong impression |
| 14:09.57 | Talisker | But the worst case scenario is that my system breaks and I have to reinstall it - and that's not very frightening :P |
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| 14:10.34 | Talisker | I might have made the wrong impression |
| 14:10.47 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 14:10.48 | Talisker | I've not been using linux for almost a year now, and there's a cognitive gap |
| 14:10.52 | abrotman | just stick with etch |
| 14:10.56 | Talisker | But after a few weeks I'm sure I'll be back on track |
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| 14:11.49 | Talisker | Anyway I'm REALLY late for class, thanks for all the help :) |
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| 14:12.15 | wintix | Talisker: teacher or student? ;) |
| 14:12.19 | Talisker | Student |
| 14:12.21 | Talisker | for now :P |
| 14:12.31 | Talisker | Doing a BA in math |
| 14:12.39 | Azar | see? I got the wrong impression again, I thought you were a teacher |
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| 14:13.03 | Azar | my fav course |
| 14:13.06 | Talisker | Chances are I will be |
| 14:13.14 | ReFleX | Hi!, I'm having a problem with mailscanner debian package, I already try to --reinstall --purge remove and the install but i'm still getting the same error. I get a "dpkg: error processing mailscanner (--install):" full log in: http://pastebin.ca/444748 |
| 14:13.24 | Talisker | That's probably the only work a maths BA will get you |
| 14:13.34 | Talisker | either that or cleaning sidewalks |
| 14:13.37 | fanti | hi! after dist-upgrade (unstable) today, i got: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory - how can i rebuild the locales? |
| 14:13.39 | Azar | Talisker: and accounting |
| 14:13.41 | liable | so go and learn then! |
| 14:14.01 | Talisker | C'ya |
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| 14:14.44 | liable | heh |
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| 14:17.10 | Esters | how can i restart network interfaces like sudo eth0 down && eth0 up ? |
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| 14:17.56 | fanti | uhm.. why can't i install locales with current unstable? |
| 14:18.07 | fanti | locales: Depends: glibc-2.5-1 but it is not installable |
| 14:18.09 | wintix | Esters: ifdown / ifup |
| 14:18.12 | Laser | is it ok if i compile an app with root? |
| 14:18.26 | stew | fanti: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" report for "Candidate:"? |
| 14:18.44 | wintix | Esters: or do '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 14:18.54 | stew | fanti: if its 2.5-1 you need to update, it should be 2.5-2 |
| 14:18.57 | fanti | installed: Candidate: 2.5-1, candidate: Candidate: 2.5-1 |
| 14:18.58 | Esters | wintix, don't have thad command |
| 14:19.00 | wols_ | Laser: fakeroot |
| 14:19.10 | wintix | Esters: make sure you are root |
| 14:19.16 | wols_ | Esters: then you don't have debian |
| 14:19.23 | Esters | currently no |
| 14:19.27 | wintix | .. |
| 14:19.29 | Braindead | die. |
| 14:19.30 | stew | fanti: 2.5-2 is the current one that fixes the problem you are seeing, try "aptitude update" |
| 14:19.59 | stew | wintix: are you running it as root or root? |
| 14:20.01 | stew | err |
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| 14:20.15 | wols_ | stew: trick question? :P |
| 14:20.19 | fanti | ftp.de.debian.org unstable doesn't have 2.5-2 ? |
| 14:20.20 | wintix | ;) |
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| 14:20.32 | stew | fanti: use a different mirror then |
| 14:20.38 | fanti | hmm okay |
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| 14:20.49 | Laser | wols_: fakeroot? |
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| 14:21.21 | wols_ | !fakeroot |
| 14:21.21 | dpkg | from memory, fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 14:21.39 | stew | fanti: wait |
| 14:21.51 | stew | fanti: 2.5-2 isn't compiled for all arches yet |
| 14:22.09 | fanti | ah, i see |
| 14:22.24 | stew | fanti: libc6 2.5-1 Provides: glibc-2.5-1 ; libc6 2.5-1 left off that provides: by mistake |
| 14:22.27 | hark | amd64 again ;) |
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| 14:22.30 | hambo | I'd like to get etch onsystem but the etch floppy disk installer doesn't support usb floppy drives (the only drive I have on this computer). debootstrap looks complicated. The only thing I can think of is to install sarge (sarge's floppy install DOES support usb floppy) and then upgrade to etch. Any one have a better idea? |
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| 14:23.35 | toad_ | flyspray is broken - when i try to recover my password, it doesn't send the reset mail, and it redirects to an error page saying the page doesn't exist |
| 14:23.40 | toad_ | any ideas on how to fix? |
| 14:23.42 | liable | hambo: upgrading from sarge should be fine, though i am surpised the etch floopy doesnt support it if sarge does |
| 14:23.53 | Azar | hambo: then do that, upgrade to etch is easy |
| 14:23.54 | hark | there's locales-all which you could install or revert back to the old locales |
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| 14:24.31 | stew | will sarge's install floppies which are going to try to download "base-config" from "stable" still going to work? |
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| 14:24.40 | Azar | hambo: if you install sarge chose linux26 so you get the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 14:24.48 | Laser | wols_: thanks |
| 14:24.53 | hambo | liable: I'm suprised too. It seems kind of absurd to leave out floppy drivers from the floppy install... |
| 14:24.57 | Laser | i will look @ it |
| 14:25.00 | liable | Azar: floppies only have 2.4 |
| 14:25.15 | Azar | liable: ew... |
| 14:25.25 | hambo | Ah when I upgrade to etch will the kernel be held back? |
| 14:25.35 | Azar | hambo: then upgrade the kernel immediately after installing sarge |
| 14:25.35 | liable | Azar: 2.6 is too big for floppies apparently |
| 14:26.00 | Azar | hambo: is better to have a 2.6 when upgrading to etch.. |
| 14:26.08 | liable | hambo: read the release notes for etch |
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| 14:26.26 | hambo | arg this was so easy with sarge... |
| 14:26.48 | liable | hambo: shouldnt be too much of a problem really |
| 14:27.02 | liable | except a bit of a waste of bandwidth |
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| 14:27.23 | Azar | hambo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:27.27 | liable | do tell... |
| 14:27.28 | wintix | hambo: why do you think etch doesn't support usb floppy? |
| 14:27.44 | stew | liable: the sarge floppies are going to do a netinst, and they are going to try to download base-config from stable |
| 14:27.59 | stew | liable: i'm not saying you can't work around it, but I don't think its going to "just work" |
| 14:28.19 | liable | stew: from stable or sarge? |
| 14:28.28 | stew | liable: dunno, but i'd guess stable |
| 14:28.37 | stew | (i haven't actually tried, i'm just conjecturing) |
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| 14:28.41 | Azar | wintix: maybe the very reason liable said? etch is using the 2.6.18 kernel... maybe too big for floppy |
| 14:28.41 | liable | stew: that would be a bit of a boo boo if they do |
| 14:29.34 | hambo | Azar, yup too big |
| 14:29.36 | Azar | the only quesion if his hardware is too new for a 2.4.27 kernel.. |
| 14:30.15 | hambo | Azar, shouldn't be too new I was using 2.4 for a while when I first installed sarge |
| 14:30.43 | stew | hambo: do you have linux running at all anywhere now? could you install from a usb pen-drive? |
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| 14:30.46 | stew | or whatever we are calling those things these days, thumb drive? |
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| 14:31.07 | Azar | hambo: ah then it should work like a charm: install sarge with 2.4.x, then install the 2.6.8 kernel from repos, then change the sources.list to "etch" and dist-upgrade.. |
| 14:31.09 | liable | iDrive! |
| 14:31.43 | stew | Azar: not just dist-upgrade |
| 14:31.46 | hambo | stew, unfortunately computer doesn't support usb drive booting |
| 14:32.03 | wintix | hambo: network boot it? |
| 14:32.03 | Azar | stew: ah yes "aptitude" dist-upgrade :D |
| 14:32.10 | stew | Azar: no |
| 14:32.17 | Azar | stew: what else? |
| 14:32.24 | stew | Azar: read the release notes |
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| 14:32.53 | hambo | wintix, network boot looks complicated. I'd need to be able to modify dhcp server |
| 14:33.26 | stew | hambo: can you pop out the hard drive and put it into another machine, and do the install there? |
| 14:34.06 | hambo | stew, I wish, it's a wacky tiny little drive for a toshiba laptop with some wierd connector |
| 14:34.09 | intruder | :) |
| 14:34.15 | Azar | oh yes: backup , inform users, prepare for recovery, debug shell, check packages status, manually unmark packages, prepare sources for apt... man this sounds gentooish |
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| 14:34.40 | giupy | i'm trying to use rt2500 wireless and it's seen by my stable debian, led is on and kwifi manager say me the signal but: " local IP unavailable" and dhclient eth1 don't connect me |
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| 14:35.01 | wols_ | giupy: you associated with the AP? |
| 14:35.09 | Azar | :( I didn't do all that just dist-upgraded |
| 14:35.43 | giupy | wols_ don't understand, my router has a dhcp server and pc should connnect automatically |
| 14:35.50 | wintix | giupy: pastebin the output of iwconfig |
| 14:36.05 | wols_ | giupy:no |
| 14:36.20 | wols_ | giupy: again: has it asscoicated (e.g. WEP; WPA, MAC filtering, etc)? |
| 14:36.20 | wintix | no? |
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| 14:36.41 | giupy | wintix it's on another pc, however, eth1 has wireless extension and essis is seen right |
| 14:37.00 | wols_ | giupy: does your AP doe WPA or WEP? |
| 14:37.02 | giupy | wols_ don't need it |
| 14:37.08 | giupy | wols_ dunno |
| 14:37.12 | wintix | giupy: does it say unassociated or managed in iwconfig? |
| 14:37.18 | wols_ | then maybe you should find out if it's on or not |
| 14:37.23 | Lcarsdata | Will the next version of debian have the latest version of the kernel? |
| 14:37.24 | Azar | hambo: ah yes read 4.5.4 |
| 14:37.25 | giupy | wintix managed |
| 14:37.41 | giupy | ah no, mode ad hoc |
| 14:37.42 | liable | Lcarsdata: yes, whatever that is in a year or so |
| 14:37.45 | wols_ | Lcarsdata: define "next version" |
| 14:37.46 | giupy | strange |
| 14:37.56 | Lcarsdata | wols_: the one after 'current; |
| 14:37.57 | wintix | giupy: well then, here's your problem. |
| 14:38.01 | Lcarsdata | s/;/' |
| 14:38.23 | giupy | wintix iwconfig eth1 mode managed ?? |
| 14:38.41 | Azar | Lcarsdata: "latest" means not thoroughly tested and fixed, "stable" releases of Debian imply "tested and boogye-less" |
| 14:38.46 | wols_ | Lcarsdata: how should we know what happens in 2 years? |
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| 14:39.03 | wols_ | giupy: your WLAN card is not associated witht he AP |
| 14:39.10 | Lcarsdata | just wondering because the latest kernal release has some drivers that would be useul wols_ |
| 14:39.22 | hambo | Azar, sorry, 4.5.4 of what? the debian installation guide doesn't have that section... |
| 14:39.29 | wintix | wols_: because his kwifi stuff set the card in adhoc mode. |
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| 14:39.30 | Azar | Lcarsdata: where you can read: latest=not tested and stable=tested(not the latest) |
| 14:39.33 | xand | Lcarsdata: it will certainly be at least as new as 2.6.20 :P |
| 14:39.39 | Azar | hambo: from the link I gave you? |
| 14:39.42 | giupy | wols_ and what i need? |
| 14:39.45 | Lcarsdata | okay, thanks xand |
| 14:39.47 | isra | hi |
| 14:39.50 | Azar | hambo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:39.59 | wols_ | giupy: make it use the AP. but I dunno about kwifi stuff. don't use it |
| 14:40.13 | wols_ | giupy: maybe ask #kde or #debian-kde or such |
| 14:40.18 | isra | Im trying to compile a kernel on debian etch but it say this http://pastebin.ca/444774 can some one help me please? |
| 14:40.20 | wintix | giupy: iwconfig eth1 mode managed should work but i have to boot my notebook to check |
| 14:40.26 | hambo | Azar, thanks |
| 14:40.30 | toad_ | flyspray is completely broken for me, i've got the correct password, anything i do it gives me an error page accusing me of SQL injection. any ideas? |
| 14:40.46 | giupy | ok i have tried but now iwlist eth1 scan doesn't find any network |
| 14:40.48 | isra | Im ussing linux-sources-2.6.18 |
| 14:40.57 | paxed | on etch, i've got problems with postgres. anyone got a pointers to debian-specific docs for this? i can't get the postgres server to start, etc |
| 14:41.19 | wols_ | isra: looks like a patch gone wrong? |
| 14:41.31 | stew | Lcarsdata: debian is planning on releasing updated kernels for stable in 6 months or so |
| 14:41.32 | wols_ | isra: have you patched the kernel yourself with some openvz stuff? |
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| 14:41.54 | isra | I used the kernel-patch-openvz |
| 14:41.58 | Azar | stew really? :) |
| 14:42.02 | isra | package of etch |
| 14:42.13 | stew | Azar: yes |
| 14:42.14 | wintix | giupy: check that your wifi isn't encrypted and is broadcasting it's ssid |
| 14:42.14 | Lcarsdata | stew, ok. |
| 14:42.25 | isra | yes wols |
| 14:42.41 | isra | I ussed the kernel-patch-openvz package |
| 14:42.45 | Azar | that is SOO nice wow, thank you thaaankkk you |
| 14:42.57 | wols_ | hmm.. when the patch is in debian it should work. if it's from outside debian, I'd start with vanilla kernel sources |
| 14:43.01 | giupy | wintix i don't use password or something like that with my router |
| 14:43.40 | isra | its from debian |
| 14:43.49 | paxed | on previous installs the postgres config files lived in etc/postgresql/, now i don't even have that dir |
| 14:44.03 | isra | what can I do? |
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| 14:44.38 | wols_ | isra: a non debian way: vanilla kernel sources, and openvz patchset from upstream? |
| 14:44.46 | isra | I will thank a little help wols :D |
| 14:44.57 | giupy | well i'm using now rt2500 conf utility for X and it says that i'm connected |
| 14:45.00 | isra | and what if I need the debian way? |
| 14:45.42 | isra | : / |
| 14:45.45 | wintix | giupy: 'iwconfig eth1 mode managed && iwconfig eth1 essid YOURSSID && iwconfig eth1 enc off' should clean up the kwifi mess. after that check with iwconfig if you are connected (give it some seconds) if that worked, fetch an if with dhclient eth1 |
| 14:45.51 | isra | what can I do in that case? |
| 14:46.49 | wintix | s/if/ip/ |
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| 14:47.41 | isra | I readed that etch have suport for openvz and now its stable, thats why I choose etch |
| 14:48.46 | giupy | wintix well it goes well thanks a lot |
| 14:49.02 | giupy | it's strange i have tried all this but never gone |
| 14:49.34 | wintix | np |
| 14:49.56 | isra | some one |
| 14:49.59 | isra | who wanna help me |
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| 14:51.43 | isra | some one there? xD |
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| 14:53.13 | wols_ | isra: file a bug report?. include the output of your patching with it |
| 14:53.29 | isra | how |
| 14:53.45 | wols_ | !tell isra about reportbug |
| 14:53.47 | wintix | isra: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:54.21 | wintix | oh. reportbug is even better. |
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| 14:55.26 | jelly | pity that reportbug-ng isn't in stable |
| 14:55.38 | isra | mmm |
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| 14:55.41 | isra | im in http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 14:55.47 | isra | Im* |
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| 14:58.31 | sewi | hello, how to generate a gpg keys with multiple e-mail addresses since after gpg --gen-key it seems that only one e-mail address is possible to type? |
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| 15:00.55 | sep | sewi, i belive you can use --edit-key to add more ? |
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| 15:02.38 | vin` | isra: there are bugs filed with similar errors, see #415579 |
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| 15:04.02 | phliver | Hey question, I've been trying to get x11 forwarding over ssh working to my newest debian server, it seems I need a basic xorg package installed w/ xauth, what package should I get? when i try to get xserver-xorg-core it wants to download every video card driver as a dependency. |
| 15:04.54 | stew | phliver: xbase-clients (/msg dpkg sshx) |
| 15:05.04 | phliver | stew: thanks |
| 15:05.07 | sewi | sep: thanks, it helped |
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| 15:05.54 | phliver | stew: that worked well, i could not find that anywhere :) |
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| 15:16.43 | Azar | I am reading the news almost everyday and I noted something... while news about debian happen at least once/week... there is nothing about gentoo on the mainstream news sites... |
| 15:17.18 | Ronin | Azar: thats because the gentoo folks are still compiling |
| 15:17.32 | adamant1988 | Azar: Their news will be compiled next month |
| 15:17.40 | Azar | Ronin: :) they gonna die without babies |
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| 15:18.58 | liable | waiting to compile gives lots of time for making babies, if they had someone to make babies with |
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| 15:19.27 | liable | idiot |
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| 15:28.38 | RvGaTe | How do i know, when having 2 different sound devices, to what /dev/dsp* its attached to... ? |
| 15:29.11 | stew | RvGaTe: are you using oss or alsa's oss emulation? |
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| 15:29.23 | RvGaTe | stew, think its alsa |
| 15:29.36 | stew | RvGaTe: its attached to hw:0 then |
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| 15:30.30 | stew | RvGaTe: or check /proc/asound/oss/devices it looks like |
| 15:31.10 | stew | RvGaTe: most likely that is all on card0, so /proc/asound/card0/id might tell you which it is |
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| 15:31.35 | liable | or see if snd-pcm-oss is related with your alsa driver |
| 15:31.42 | liable | in lsmod |
| 15:31.56 | liable | s/related/associated/ |
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| 15:41.45 | Azar | How To Boost WiFi With A Kitchen Strainer :) http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/usrbingeek/2007/04/16/how-to-boost-wifi-with-a-kitchen-strainer/ |
| 15:42.27 | Ronin | old news, looks like fun to try though |
| 15:42.53 | Azar | my dad thinks to make one and put it on the roof :) |
| 15:43.13 | Ronin | cheaper then buying one, or at least more fun then buying one |
| 15:43.41 | Azar | yep plenty of opportunity to launch several "wtf" |
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| 15:46.48 | Azar | Ronin: were you here yesterday, seen that reply from Thaddeus to SJV's articles on Debian? |
| 15:48.01 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 15:48.07 | Azar | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3656387562.html |
| 15:48.16 | HardDisk_WP | i have some real old US Robotics fax modem and call answerer thingy... |
| 15:48.24 | HardDisk_WP | is it supported in linux? |
| 15:48.30 | HardDisk_WP | (not the modem functions, these work) |
| 15:48.51 | xand | HardDisk_WP: ask google... hardware support is kernel dependent, not distro dependend |
| 15:48.53 | railk | i'm trying to make a debian package. in the debian/rules script, for target install, the "new maintainer's guide" uses "$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/gentoo". however my source has 2 packages, lib* and lib*-dev... what should i use? |
| 15:48.55 | xand | *t |
| 15:49.47 | HardDisk_WP | xand, this thingy is plugged by serial port, so it works at least...but I rather ask if the call answer functions are supported by any program in linux.. |
| 15:50.08 | muszek | hi... I'd like to do automatic backups of my websites... incremental backups of files (many files, rarely updated) and _some_ way of backing up mysql... what would you recommend? |
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| 15:50.27 | liable | !backup |
| 15:50.27 | dpkg | i heard backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 15:50.46 | liable | stipid factoid |
| 15:50.51 | liable | stupid even |
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| 15:51.05 | muszek | it didn't say too much... |
| 15:51.22 | liable | muszek: matter of choise, apt-cache search backup dunno if any do you Db though |
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| 15:51.42 | liable | my typings sucks ass once again |
| 15:51.56 | muszek | liable: thanks |
| 15:52.01 | muszek | I'll look around |
| 15:52.46 | muszek | hehe... slashdot is down. Digg was down a few hours ago. |
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| 15:55.36 | Azar | liable: is this package on debian? http://www.debianadmin.com/mysql-database-backup-using-automysqlbackup.html |
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| 15:57.15 | magical_trevsky | if I download the etch cd, I can upgrade sarge to etch using apt-cdrom rather than the internet, right? |
| 15:57.18 | liable | Azar: i cant find it |
| 15:57.18 | Azar | bah I guess not since is listed on sourceforge |
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| 15:57.45 | Azar | magical_trevsky: why would you want to do that? |
| 15:57.55 | Azar | the etch installer cd is not same as upgrading.. |
| 15:58.03 | magical_trevsky | Azar, I have a pc with no internet connection |
| 15:58.27 | Azar | magical_trevsky: then the etch netinstall cd will not upgrade... wil fresh install |
| 15:58.28 | stew | magical_trevsky: yes, as long as you have all the cdroms you need for the upgrade |
| 15:58.36 | liable | magical_trevsky: good question. one would imagine its possible as long as the cd has all the stuff you already have installed to be upgraded |
| 15:58.37 | Azar | oh..? |
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| 15:58.47 | Azar | there are "upgrade" cds? |
| 15:58.48 | stew | magical_trevsky: /msg dpkg which cd ; <- will tell you which packages are on which cds |
| 15:58.49 | magical_trevsky | stew, all I have atm is a fresh sarge install |
| 15:59.11 | muszek | Azar: was reading the same article :) |
| 15:59.18 | stew | Azar: no, there aren't there are install cds that contain all the packages from the repository |
| 15:59.40 | magical_trevsky | I can't install etch straight away, because it needs 48mb ram to install apparently :< sarge installed with 32mb |
| 15:59.57 | Azar | stew: so if he only has a fresh sarge install, he could actually use a new etch netinstall cd..? |
| 16:00.07 | Azar | oh |
| 16:00.17 | Azar | ram limitation.. |
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| 16:00.45 | Azar | so, that ram limitation you think will "run" etch? |
| 16:00.49 | stew | i do |
| 16:01.02 | magical_trevsky | actually, do you reckon the etch installer will be able to use the sarge swap partition? |
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| 16:01.09 | xand | magical_trevsky: yes |
| 16:01.13 | magical_trevsky | because then I could avoid the ram limitation and install etch fresh |
| 16:01.13 | xand | it will |
| 16:01.18 | xand | erm |
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| 16:01.30 | xand | actually, you mean the installer program itself? |
| 16:01.33 | magical_trevsky | yeah |
| 16:01.42 | xand | dunno about that |
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| 16:02.07 | Azar | how much bigger is etch comparing with sarge (minimal thinking) ? 3 times bigger? |
| 16:02.09 | stew | Azar: i don't know if a netinst cd would be enough, cd1 should be |
| 16:02.17 | stew | Azar: bigger in what sense? |
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| 16:02.42 | Azar | stew: thinking about his ram limitation... will it run better or as well as sarge? |
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| 16:03.10 | stew | Azar: shouldn't matter, the problem the installer has is keeping the package dependency graph in memory, which isn't a problem after install |
| 16:03.14 | Azar | will x, xorg run or he will be confined to console? |
| 16:03.22 | magical_trevsky | Azar, I don't want/need x |
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| 16:03.47 | telexicon | Is there a way I can still use the command 'mail' but not have to have a full smtp server? I would like to receive cron emails and other messages but I dont want to run a mail server on my DNS server |
| 16:03.57 | stew | telexicon: look at ssmtp or nullmailer |
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| 16:03.59 | Azar | magical_trevsky: so the question comes: what exactly you hope finding in etch that sarge does not offer you? |
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| 16:04.08 | telexicon | stew: thanks |
| 16:04.10 | magical_trevsky | Azar, rt2500 kernel module! |
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| 16:04.24 | magical_trevsky | although mostly just because I want to see what etch is like |
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| 16:05.25 | Azar | magical_trevsky: etch, a higher kernel, 2.6.18, more hardware support, polished desktop..support for kde, gnome hmm and more |
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| 16:05.44 | Azar | magical_trevsky: if is for hardware support then it makes sense |
| 16:06.05 | stew | magical_trevsky: the etch kernel is also available for sarge from backports.ortg |
| 16:06.11 | stew | .org* |
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| 16:06.33 | Azar | stew: no connection for him.. |
| 16:06.43 | stew | huh? |
| 16:07.04 | magical_trevsky | I guess I could put it on a usb drive or something, but tbh, I'd rathe just install the whole of etch |
| 16:07.05 | Azar | stew: he said he does not have a connection to do a netinstall...? or I am wrong |
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| 16:07.16 | magical_trevsky | Azar, the box has no connection, you're right |
| 16:07.41 | Azar | magical_trevsky: so you could never say install patches, packages kernels from an online repository |
| 16:07.51 | stew | Azar: if he can download a cd iso, he can download 4 or so packages from backports.org |
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| 16:07.58 | stew | (and use apt-move or apt-zip) |
| 16:08.28 | magical_trevsky | Azar, I'll be able to connect to the internet (albeit inconveniently) with kernel 2.6 |
| 16:09.21 | magical_trevsky | so stew's idea is possible, but upgrading straight from a cd appeals to the laziness in me |
| 16:09.21 | vorsprung | hi I have to install an MTA |
| 16:09.21 | Azar | magical_trevsky: then install sarge with "linux26" , not with the default |
| 16:09.21 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.21 | SeanTater | oops |
| 16:09.25 | vorsprung | in the past I've used sendmail on BSD and Suns |
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| 16:09.37 | vorsprung | but that seems a bit dubious now |
| 16:09.46 | vorsprung | I also have used exim on debian |
| 16:09.54 | magical_trevsky | Azar, I just put "linux26" on the boot line when I start the installer? |
| 16:10.06 | vorsprung | but is there a better option? postfix for example? |
| 16:10.12 | Azar | magical_trevsky: hold on I am getting the installers screens |
| 16:10.29 | stew | vorsprung: postfix and exim are both good choices, use whichever you are more comfortable with |
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| 16:10.47 | stew | magical_trevsky: that will install with a 2.6.8 kernel which still won't support your rt2500, so it doesn't really matter |
| 16:11.09 | magical_trevsky | heh |
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| 16:12.51 | magical_trevsky | I think I'll dl etch cd1, then attempt to run the installer which'll hopefully make use of my swap.. if not then I'll see what happens with apt-cdrom |
| 16:13.32 | stew | magical_trevsky: you might have to alt-f2 to a console and run swapon manually |
| 16:13.37 | koeien | i have a woody box here that I want to upgrade to etch... do i have to this via `sarge' or can i do it directly? |
| 16:13.56 | stew | koeien: via sarge, skipping releases is not supported |
| 16:14.01 | koeien | ok, thanks |
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| 16:14.28 | stew | magical_trevsky: (the installer wouldn't start using the swap automatically, since as part of the install, you might want to remove the swap partition) |
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| 16:14.49 | magical_trevsky | stew, ah, I see |
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| 16:15.01 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:15.01 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
| 16:15.07 | Azar | magical_trevsky: I lost that screens but yes I think it would be at the very begining |
| 16:15.26 | Azar | misterrrr tarzeau! :) |
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| 16:16.01 | magical_trevsky | ok, cool.. thanks mr stew and mr Azar! |
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| 16:16.10 | tarzeau | Azar: monsieur azar! |
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| 16:17.48 | xplozion | xD |
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| 16:18.48 | robin_sz | remind me again, where do I set the default editor from nano again |
| 16:18.49 | Azar | see how swap did not yet died? |
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| 16:18.56 | robin_sz | /etc/blah |
| 16:19.21 | stew | robin_sz: update-alternatives --config editor ? |
| 16:19.55 | repyskichboarder | I can't make my wireless connection connect |
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| 16:19.59 | repyskichboarder | :( |
| 16:20.10 | Azar | I don't know with others but with me, when I started thinking for real, I had headaches for several months.... is just a matter of brain fittness |
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| 16:21.12 | rpc | hi folks |
| 16:21.22 | rpc | does anyone know how long does it take for whois database to refresh after changes? |
| 16:21.22 | repyskichboarder | http://pastebin.ca/444852 this is my ifconfig eth1 have the interfaces whit wireless extension |
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| 16:21.42 | stew | rpc: it depends on the tld |
| 16:21.52 | wintix | repyskichboarder: pastebin your iwconfig output. |
| 16:21.52 | rpc | stew org and net |
| 16:22.07 | repyskichboarder | sure |
| 16:22.37 | rpc | stew is there a deadline for refresh? |
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| 16:22.38 | stew | rpc: .org usually updates within a few hours, but this can also depend on the registrar |
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| 16:22.45 | wintix | repyskichboarder: does your wifi use wep, wpa or is it unencrypted? mac filter list maybe? |
| 16:22.53 | repyskichboarder | http://pastebin.ca/444927 |
| 16:22.53 | stew | repyskichboarder: why do both interfaces have the same ip address? |
| 16:22.56 | rpc | stew networksolutions still got the old data after 3 hours, while another db already serves correct info, i'm really confused |
| 16:23.00 | repyskichboarder | wep |
| 16:23.19 | repyskichboarder | stew probably because I'm stupid :S |
| 16:23.33 | simonrvn | rpc: i usually wait 24-48 hours |
| 16:23.33 | stew | repyskichboarder: and what about the output of "route -n" is the default gateway on eth0 or eth1? |
| 16:23.34 | repyskichboarder | now I change one of them |
| 16:23.38 | rpc | stew do you think that it will get sorted yet today or can it take a few days? |
| 16:23.49 | repyskichboarder | eth0 I think |
| 16:23.50 | rpc | simonrvn oh then my registrar is just bullshitting me |
| 16:23.51 | repyskichboarder | wait |
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| 16:24.04 | stew | rpc: it should definately be within a day. |
| 16:24.08 | simonrvn | rpc: not necessarily |
| 16:24.13 | simonrvn | yup |
| 16:24.20 | rpc | they told me it would be done in less than an hour |
| 16:24.31 | wintix | repyskichboarder: Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:63 Rx invalid frag:0 |
| 16:24.39 | wintix | repyskichboarder: check your wep settings. |
| 16:24.49 | repyskichboarder | Ops |
| 16:24.58 | rpc | stew, simonrvn: thanks alot though, looks like all i can do is just wait |
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| 16:25.27 | stew | wintix: if the wep settings were incorrect he wouldn't associate, right? |
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| 16:26.12 | repyskichboarder | stew http://pastebin.ca/444929 |
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| 16:26.51 | wintix | stew: not necessarily |
| 16:27.16 | stew | wintix: well his ifconfig also shows him receiving valid packets |
| 16:27.38 | stew | repyskichboarder: so exactly what makes you think that your wireless is not connected? |
| 16:27.39 | rpc | speaking of whois - is there a console tool for that? |
| 16:27.47 | stew | rpc: yes, its "whois" |
| 16:27.51 | rpc | oh lol |
| 16:27.58 | stew | and its in the "whois" package :) |
| 16:28.06 | rpc | rofl. |
| 16:28.14 | rpc | i'm a moron, ok :) |
| 16:28.14 | wintix | !win stew |
| 16:28.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:28.24 | simonrvn | rpc: like when you have access to the whois db itself, i.e., you can write to your own entry, it's like just a few minutes to update, but when not, it takes a while |
| 16:28.32 | repyskichboarder | stew, if I do ifconfig eth0 down I can't connect |
| 16:28.37 | repyskichboarder | and |
| 16:28.43 | stew | repyskichboarder: can't connect to what? |
| 16:28.55 | repyskichboarder | internet |
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| 16:29.05 | stew | repyskichboarder: if you do ifconfig eth0 down, you will no longer have a default gateway since your default gateway is on eth0 |
| 16:29.08 | rpc | well i'm really confused now - whois gives the right info in console, but networksolutions crappy db still says some deep shit about it |
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| 16:29.32 | stew | repyskichboarder: after you run "ifdown eth0" run "route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1" |
| 16:31.05 | repyskichboarder | do you know Applet NetworkManager? yesterday it makes me see the networks avaible, today it say that it can't find any interfaces |
| 16:31.05 | repyskichboarder | stew, ok |
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| 16:31.06 | dragonfly | anyone here today? |
| 16:31.06 | simonrvn | nope |
| 16:31.06 | stew | repyskichboarder: or, you can run "ifdown eth0 ; ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1", which should have the same effect if your /etc/network/interfaces is properly configured |
| 16:31.06 | wintix | heh |
| 16:31.06 | simonrvn | anyone left an hour ago |
| 16:31.09 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 16:31.09 | dragonfly | lol good one guys |
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| 16:31.27 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 16:31.27 | repyskichboarder | but stew why I can't see the avaible networks? |
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| 16:31.38 | dragonfly | so far etch is pretty good, just a couple of questions |
| 16:31.52 | repyskichboarder | on applet network manager |
| 16:31.55 | wintix | maybe he should have read the irc client manual. |
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| 16:32.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:32.08 | stew | repyskichboarder: i don't know anything about network manager |
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| 16:32.41 | cahoot | repyskichboarder: *if* you use nm you should comment out all but lo in interfaces |
| 16:32.54 | shaula | I ve read some concerns about rsync's memory usage when transferring large files. Is it suitable to use rsync over ssh to transfer nearly 60gb of data between computers which has 256MB of ram on a 100Mbit LAN. ? |
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| 16:35.02 | damian | help |
| 16:35.06 | damian | sry |
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| 16:36.25 | ktwilight | i needa fuse 2.6.x, is it a good idea to upgrade to sid on a production environment? |
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| 16:37.03 | stew | ktwilight: absolutely not. especially since debian stable provides a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 16:37.06 | repyskichboarder | back |
| 16:37.16 | repyskichboarder | cahoot, sorry? |
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| 16:37.39 | ktwilight | ok, stew, what would be an acceptable alternative so that i can have fuse 2.6.x? |
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| 16:38.13 | stew | !info fuse-utils stable |
| 16:38.16 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.5.3-4.4 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 16:38.20 | me_here | !seen slomy |
| 16:38.20 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'slomy', me_here |
| 16:38.30 | stew | ktwilight: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:38.36 | cahoot | repyskichboarder: was just pointing out that if you use nm you should comment out all but lo in interfaces |
| 16:38.45 | ktwilight | ah yes backport! thanks stew! forgot about that one ;) |
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| 16:39.24 | artagnon | why isn't frostwire on the debian repos? |
| 16:39.58 | repyskichboarder | cahoot, ok i'll try, but yesturday it was working |
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| 16:40.54 | coldsteal | can i do rm -fr /root/; ln -s /home/root /root |
| 16:41.33 | ktwilight | why not just do ln -s /root /home/root ? |
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| 16:42.12 | damian | !1 |
| 16:42.55 | coldsteal | ktwilight: would that work? |
| 16:43.01 | stew | artagnon: becuase nobody has volunteered to be the debian maintainer and pacakge it yet. consider filing an RFP: /msg dpkg rfp |
| 16:43.05 | ktwilight | should do |
| 16:43.09 | ktwilight | you don't want to remove it |
| 16:43.57 | artagnon | stew: okay |
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| 16:44.38 | stew | artagnon: it also looks like it depends on a lot of sof |
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| 16:44.53 | stew | artagnon: it also looks like it depends on a lot of software not yet in debian |
| 16:45.26 | artagnon | stew: like what stew? It depends on jre afaik |
| 16:46.02 | coldsteal | well /home is on a diff partition |
| 16:46.32 | coldsteal | and if i do ln -s /root /home/root everything is still on the / partition |
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| 16:46.46 | stew | artagnon: their source code repository contains a lot of jars with compiled java code with no source |
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| 16:47.18 | artagnon | Oh damn. So much for their claim of being 100% free |
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| 16:47.39 | artagnon | stew: Should I write to them too about it? |
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| 16:47.51 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
| 16:47.52 | stew | artagnon: you could ask them for the source code for the jars in trunk/lib/jars |
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| 16:47.57 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 16:48.05 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:48.21 | Daveman | abrotman, did you enjoy much rain, as well? |
| 16:48.27 | repyskichboarder | stew, On windows when I used to connect to my network I have to insert a wep key like "MyWepKey" , but now it dosen't works |
| 16:48.46 | repyskichboarder | hi abrotman :D |
| 16:48.48 | stew | repyskichboarder: are you using s: as a prefix? |
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| 16:48.55 | artagnon | stew: I'll do that then |
| 16:49.00 | stew | repyskichboarder: (otherwise it assumes you are giving it hex) |
| 16:49.08 | artagnon | stew: You got your copy from the CVS? |
| 16:49.15 | stew | artagnon: svn |
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| 16:50.39 | artagnon | stew: okay |
| 16:51.31 | stew | artagnon: this doesn't mean that they were lying when they say free. when they refuse to give you the source code they are and probably are violating the licenses of those jars however |
| 16:51.31 | repyskichboarder | stew, I can't "talk" in hex |
| 16:51.34 | abrotman | Daveman: torrential downpour |
| 16:51.40 | Daveman | :) |
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| 16:51.41 | HostilePenguin | when i mouse over action type buttons in kde the words become garbled any one had that before? |
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| 16:51.57 | Daveman | No state of emergency can keep me from canoeing! :D |
| 16:51.58 | stew | repyskichboarder: then set the key with key s:MyWepKey instead of just MyWepKey |
| 16:52.18 | repyskichboarder | ok thanks |
| 16:52.22 | Daveman | I can outrun the police in my kayak! |
| 16:52.24 | repyskichboarder | s:key |
| 16:52.31 | artagnon | stew: Okay. Their contact page is broken though: http://www.frostwire.com/?id=contact. I can't do much, can I? |
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| 16:52.59 | abrotman | Daveman: it was pretty bad up here .. oh well |
| 16:53.08 | stew | artagnon: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=142481 |
| 16:53.11 | Daveman | yeah |
| 16:53.18 | Daveman | so what if all the major roads were closed!? |
| 16:53.18 | Daveman | :D |
| 16:53.26 | Daveman | I was like Knightboat! |
| 16:53.39 | abrotman | KITT ? |
| 16:53.46 | stew | artagnon: or contact the project admins listed on the sourceforge project page |
| 16:53.47 | Daveman | YES! |
| 16:53.55 | Daveman | "You don't have to yell Michael, I'm all around you." |
| 16:53.59 | Daveman | ;p |
| 16:54.11 | artagnon | stew: I'll do that. |
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| 16:54.58 | Daveman | Oh man, speaking of which, I hear there is supposedly a new Knightrider movie coming out soon, starring David Hasslehoff :P |
| 16:55.00 | Daveman | haha |
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| 16:55.22 | Daveman | I just keep wondering, whether they'll get Mr. Feeney ;p |
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| 16:56.44 | mastroDani | ciao a tutti |
| 16:56.46 | mastroDani | c'è imu? |
| 16:56.47 | mastroDani | :D |
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| 16:56.56 | mastroDani | qualcuno ha aggiornato debian sid? |
| 16:57.01 | Chris_abyi | hey! I got a question: I'm using gnome and I'm searching for it's menu file..where should it normally be situated? / be called? |
| 16:57.01 | mastroDani | avuto qualche problema? |
| 16:57.05 | mfrisch | !it |
| 16:57.06 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 16:57.11 | Daveman | ;p |
| 16:57.19 | mastroDani | urgh.. sorry :D |
| 16:57.27 | mastroDani | i though i was on #debian-it :D |
| 16:57.31 | Daveman | :D |
| 16:57.39 | mastroDani | lol |
| 16:57.48 | koeien | lol |
| 16:57.53 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.57 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 16:57.59 | mastroDani | anyway.. somebody updated Debian sid? it try to remove java from my system O_O |
| 16:58.11 | Daveman | :D |
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| 16:58.15 | hambo | I'm trying to install sarge via floppies. When I get to the "choose a mirror of the debian archive" screen the options are stable, testing or unstable. I want to install sarge but etch is now stable. What can I do? |
| 16:58.20 | stew | !tell mastroDani about bat |
| 16:58.25 | abrotman | hambo: use etch |
| 16:58.29 | fffffffff | does debian "etch" support SATA hard disks ? |
| 16:58.36 | abrotman | hambo: you still want sarge ? |
| 16:58.37 | mfrisch | fffffffff: most yes |
| 16:58.38 | Daveman | Yes? |
| 16:58.51 | fffffffff | and, does it support SCSI hard disks |
| 16:58.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:58.57 | fffffffff | thanks |
| 16:58.59 | abrotman | and SAS |
| 16:59.03 | abrotman | and PATA |
| 16:59.08 | abrotman | and maybe even still MCA! |
| 16:59.16 | fffffffff | mca ? |
| 16:59.17 | mastroDani | !tell stew about bat |
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| 16:59.18 | abrotman | of course .. it really depends on your controller |
| 16:59.19 | mastroDani | :D |
| 16:59.19 | abrotman | !mca |
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| 16:59.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:59.23 | dpkg | i heard mca is Micro Channel Architecture, the bus used in IBM PS/2 machines. http://glycerine.itsmm.uni.edu/mca/ or is out of date. |
| 16:59.26 | mastroDani | what's that? |
| 16:59.27 | abrotman | ah .. there we go |
| 16:59.33 | fffffffff | oooooh |
| 16:59.35 | stew | mastroDani: the dpkg: bot should have sent you a message |
| 16:59.48 | hambo | abrotman: I can't seem to install etch directly because the etch floppies dont support usb floppy drives (sarge did). I can't use a cd drive and netbooting seems complicated |
| 16:59.53 | stew | hambo: try this: let it choose stable, then switch to another console and edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, point it to sarge, and run apt-get update |
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| 17:00.31 | hambo | stew: good idea thanks |
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| 17:02.43 | HostilePenguin | i love my sata raid setup |
| 17:03.31 | mastroDani | stew, http://pastebin.ca/444932 |
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| 17:05.04 | stew | mastroDani: try running "aptitude install sun-java5-jdk" before running the dist-upgrade ; consider switching to aptitude from apt-get as aptitude has much better dependency resolution |
| 17:05.08 | hambo | stew: after selecting stable it tells me "no kernel modules were found...continue the install without loading kernel modules? ". Weather I choose yes or no, there is no sources.list file after I execute a shell... |
| 17:05.36 | mastroDani | stew, i hate aptitude |
| 17:05.43 | stew | mastroDani: why? |
| 17:06.06 | mastroDani | stew: watch what it try to do when i try to install a simple package: http://pastebin.ca/444942 |
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| 17:06.41 | mastroDani | it remove gdm and other software i need.. if you call this a better dependancy resolution, well.. i prefer the worser one |
| 17:06.47 | stew | mastroDani: if you have broken packages, you should run "aptitude -f install " or "apt-get -f install " before doing anything else |
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| 17:06.59 | stew | mastroDani: fix the broken packages, then try again |
| 17:07.12 | stew | mastroDani: notice that aptitude was at least trying to fix your broken pacakges |
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| 17:07.32 | stew | mastroDani: and you could also have said No to "accept this solution" and get another solution |
| 17:08.08 | quarkhead | halo, good folks. now i try to import my emails & accounts to debian from windows, i installed thunderbird i windows and imported both mail & accounts. but i do not find any options to import those files to any email client in bebian. The only option available in import is: import from communicator 4, when i choose it notting happens. SO, How do i get my mail imported to Icedove??? |
| 17:08.10 | hambo | Is a netboot only possible if you have control over the dhcp server you're using? |
| 17:08.14 | mastroDani | stew.. i don't like that behavior |
| 17:08.26 | mastroDani | i prefer apt-get that do only what i ask him |
| 17:08.38 | stew | mastroDani: ok, fine. did you run "apt-get -f install"? |
| 17:08.44 | Fluten | my scroll wheel isn't working on my mouse. might there be something that has to be in my x configuration in order for this to work? |
| 17:08.58 | wintix | hambo: just set up a new dhcp server in a controlled environment? and yes, you need dhcp control to tell the pxe client what to do |
| 17:09.03 | mastroDani | sure.. it say it's all ok |
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| 17:09.35 | stew | mastroDani: try an "apt-get upgrade" before the dist-upgrade |
| 17:09.52 | mfrisch | wintix: is there a default tftpd folder like /tftp? |
| 17:10.07 | hambo | Is there any way to add usb floppy support to the etch boot floppies?? |
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| 17:10.39 | Mooi | Hello, how do I get awstats working on Debian sid with Apache 2? What shall I do after apt-get installing? |
| 17:11.01 | petemc | Mooi: /usr/share/doc/awstats/ |
| 17:11.03 | simonrvn | RTFMing? :) |
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| 17:11.04 | stew | Mooi: read /usr/share/doc/awstats/README.Debian |
| 17:11.07 | mfrisch | Mooi: read the docs? |
| 17:11.14 | mastroDani | stew.. watch here: http://pastebin.ca/444982 |
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| 17:11.51 | Mooi | ok, thanks stew |
| 17:11.58 | hambo | Or, is there perhaps write up of how to install etch using debootstrap? Everything I've come across so far makes it seem very complicated... |
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| 17:12.01 | tvynr | !find scanimage |
| 17:12.13 | azeem | hambo: you shouldn't install via debootstrap |
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| 17:13.19 | hambo | So basically I'm out of luck for installing etch. My only option would be to build a dhcp server, get it running and try a net install of etch... |
| 17:13.30 | simonrvn | yup |
| 17:13.48 | stew | hambo: are you positive you can't boot from a usb thumb drive? |
| 17:13.56 | simonrvn | don't feel bad, i have to fix a sid box with a FUBAR libc6 ... |
| 17:13.57 | mastroDani | stew, what do you think of that? it seems like aptitude think i have half of the package of the system broken.. while apt-get say it's all ok |
| 17:13.58 | azeem | hambo: just do a net-install then |
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| 17:14.04 | petemc | hambo: if you have a linux machine running already, pxe install is simple top set up |
| 17:14.07 | wintix | hambo: or give it some dos, network drivers for that and deboostrap |
| 17:14.31 | simonrvn | with a net-drivers floppy image that's too big for a floppy, and no cd, or burner ;) |
| 17:14.44 | stew | mastroDani: i'd recommend running the aptitude frontend to get it all sorted before taking any actions |
| 17:14.54 | hambo | stew, I'm sure the bios doesnt say usb in the boot device list but I haven't tried it anyway... |
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| 17:15.05 | stew | hambo: but you are clearly booting from usb, right? |
| 17:15.08 | simonrvn | mastroDani: aptitude is rarely wrong about that sort of thing |
| 17:15.24 | mastroDani | stew, i'm not going to let aptitude remove half of my system cause it think something is wrong with it or i don't use it |
| 17:15.26 | stew | mastroDani: if you don't want to run aptitutde, I'd recommend running "apt-get upgrade", then apt-get -f install ; then aptitude dis-upgrade |
| 17:15.30 | azeem | hambo: why do you want to use debootstrap for a net-install? |
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| 17:15.41 | hambo | petemc, the part of pxe I'm worried about is trying to set up the dhcp server properly |
| 17:15.41 | stew | mastroDani: yes, i wouldn't recommend that, which is why i'd recommend using the frontend |
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| 17:16.04 | petemc | hambo: theres nothing to it, dnsmasq with 5 lines in the config is all thats needed |
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| 17:16.07 | stew | mastroDani: and if you can't sort this kind of thing out, perhaps you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 17:16.24 | wintix | azeem: i suggested that. he has just a usb floppy drive to install from |
| 17:16.31 | Mooi | where is awstats main directory installed by default? |
| 17:16.38 | mastroDani | stew, i used unstable until last week without any problem |
| 17:16.39 | stew | Mooi: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 17:16.53 | simonrvn | Mooi: dpkg -L <package_name> | less |
| 17:17.05 | azeem | hambo: it's explained in the install-guide how to setup a server for netboot, AFAIK |
| 17:17.11 | Mooi | thanks stew, simonrvn |
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| 17:17.27 | mastroDani | stew, and the only problem here is that it try to remove java from my system apperently without any reasons... i only want to know why.. if aptitude think my system is broken it's not my problem, i simply don't use aptitude |
| 17:17.28 | stew | mastroDani: right, which is when testing released, so now its getting hammerred with lots of changes, except the breakage to continue at least for a few months |
| 17:17.39 | quarkhead | ow i try to import my emails & accounts to debian from windows, i installed thunderbird in windows and imported both mail & accounts. but i do not find any options to import those files to any email client in debian. The only option available is: import from communicator 4, when i choose it, notting happens. SO, How do i get my mail imported to Icedove??? |
| 17:17.57 | stew | mastroDani: it could be becuase, for instance, locales is not currently installable in unstable |
| 17:18.06 | stew | (in i386 at least, amd64 is fine) |
| 17:18.10 | simonrvn | mastroDani: er, a) it *is* your problem, b) with that attitude, why are you running sid? |
| 17:18.13 | valdyn | quarkhead: use debians thunderbird? |
| 17:18.23 | mastroDani | stew, well.. i want to stay with Lenny, but i need the last version of libdrm-dev for compiling Mesa |
| 17:18.34 | azeem | mastroDani: compile in an unstable chroot |
| 17:18.53 | quarkhead | i installed it, but cant find it in my menues |
| 17:18.56 | stew | mastroDani: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 17:19.04 | valdyn | quarkhead: in which debian release? |
| 17:19.16 | quarkhead | 4.0 |
| 17:19.26 | valdyn | quarkhead: that is 'Icedove' |
| 17:19.43 | quarkhead | that is what i said first |
| 17:19.49 | quarkhead | ;@} |
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| 17:20.28 | valdyn | quarkhead: hold on.. |
| 17:20.33 | quarkhead | ok |
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| 17:21.14 | valdyn | quarkhead: Tools -> Import does not do what you want? |
| 17:21.22 | chris_alt | hey. I've got the impression as if my standard debian-menu.menu file seems to be incomplete |
| 17:21.27 | quarkhead | exactly |
| 17:21.32 | chris_alt | is there any method to restore it or refresh it? |
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| 17:21.51 | quarkhead | only get option of importing from communicator 4 |
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| 17:22.18 | mastroDani | stew, sure: http://pastebin.ca/445004 |
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| 17:22.37 | quarkhead | and when i choose it, nottin happens |
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| 17:23.34 | stew | mastroDani: you didn't setup any pinning or preferences for this package, so you are, in fact, asking the packaging system to upgrade you fully to unstable, (not stick with lenny except for one package) |
| 17:23.44 | stew | mastroDani: man apt_preferences |
| 17:24.19 | valdyn | quarkhead: hows that mail stored? just in thunderbirds mailbox? |
| 17:24.32 | valdyn | quarkhead: or is it on an imap server or somesuch? |
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| 17:24.53 | simonrvn | someone mis-read or mis-understand simple sid backport |
| 17:25.00 | simonrvn | *stood |
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| 17:25.33 | mastroDani | stew, i try to watch here, tnx |
| 17:26.02 | valdyn | quarkhead: importing shouldnt be needed as you can just copy the files |
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| 17:26.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: english is hard! .. let's go shopping! |
| 17:26.17 | simonrvn | eew |
| 17:26.39 | abrotman | we can buy devices to torture the n00bs or whatever they call themselves |
| 17:26.40 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:26.55 | rahul | like wooden spoons? |
| 17:26.56 | quarkhead | i just installed thunderbird in XP & imported the mail & accounts from OutlookExpress |
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| 17:27.03 | rahul | wait, some of them might like that |
| 17:27.04 | simonrvn | i think it's 'newbie' lately |
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| 17:27.44 | simonrvn | or play music with them |
| 17:27.49 | rga | what kernel the debian 3.0 r1? |
| 17:27.57 | quarkhead | i would very much like to reach the mails from both Debian and XP |
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| 17:28.12 | rga | what kernel of the debian 3.0 r1? |
| 17:28.27 | liable | rga: be patient grasshopper |
| 17:29.09 | valdyn | quarkhead: those mails should be stored on an imap server |
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| 17:29.23 | muszek | hi... I want to use backup-manager to backup things from my webserver to desktop. What's the proper way of finding out a SSH key (to connect to a remote location)? |
| 17:29.36 | quarkhead | how do i make it so then? |
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| 17:30.15 | liable | rga: 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
| 17:30.23 | abrotman | muszek: make your own keys |
| 17:30.27 | holycow | guys i'm having this laptop lock up intermitently. it looks like the cpu spikes at 100% but i can't get a hold on what process is doing this as its locking up everything for 30 seconds at a time. suggestions on tools that can be run to track this down? |
| 17:30.30 | liable | why does noone else answer? |
| 17:30.37 | muszek | abrotman: how? |
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| 17:30.42 | quarkhead | what should i read to learn about imap? |
| 17:30.46 | rga | liable trank |
| 17:30.50 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 17:30.50 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 17:30.55 | muszek | abrotman: normally when I connect for the first time, it's generated, right? |
| 17:31.07 | abrotman | muszek: ah .. no |
| 17:31.10 | valdyn | quarkhead: you would need an imap server for that. That can be your isp or your own 2nd computer |
| 17:31.22 | abrotman | muszek: if you read that HOWTO .. it will tell you how to generate keys so that you can do password-less ssh |
| 17:31.26 | Daveman | more daves? |
| 17:31.33 | abrotman | you spawned! |
| 17:31.35 | Daveman | umpossible! |
| 17:31.36 | muszek | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 17:31.42 | Daveman | abrotman ;p |
| 17:31.42 | valdyn | quarkhead: sharing folders / files like that between windows and debian directly ( as you were probably thinking ) is probably not a good idea.. |
| 17:31.48 | Daveman | Spawn More Davemans! |
| 17:32.01 | quarkhead | i got a debian/apache server running, guess that would be suitable |
| 17:32.06 | valdyn | quarkhead: sure |
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| 17:32.34 | quarkhead | what do i read to learn how to set up an imapserver then |
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| 17:32.54 | valdyn | quarkhead: install dovecot additionally and add a cronjob or similar that fetches your mail |
| 17:32.54 | holycow | quarkhead, read google |
| 17:32.56 | holycow | -_- |
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| 17:34.26 | valdyn | quarkhead: that's what i use at home anyway its rock solid so far |
| 17:34.34 | petemc | aol |
| 17:34.44 | petemc | it also reached version 1.0 last week |
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| 17:34.56 | quarkhead | ok i try that, TNX |
| 17:34.59 | valdyn | wow, no more rc12380905 ? |
| 17:35.05 | valdyn | heha |
| 17:35.08 | petemc | :) |
| 17:35.10 | xand | hi ducks |
| 17:35.12 | quarkhead | can i find it with aptitude? |
| 17:35.20 | valdyn | quarkhead: yes |
| 17:35.20 | petemc | timo must be a perfectionist] |
| 17:35.22 | Daveman | xand :o |
| 17:35.35 | xand | hello Daveman of the caves |
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| 17:36.53 | quarkhead | dovecot pop3d, common or imapd |
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| 17:37.04 | matthias | test |
| 17:37.14 | mastroDani | stew, it wasn't the problem |
| 17:37.48 | madriss | hi :) my hard drive corrupted and on reboot it did a scan and then said i gota do it manually and asked for root password. it recommended i use e2fsck, but it needs a <device> parameter and i dunno what it needs to be for the hard drive. any ideas? |
| 17:38.13 | mastroDani | stew, http://pastebin.ca/445023 |
| 17:38.25 | matthias | Hi folks, does someone know, why debian does not use the freetype, all other applications do? Then the "native" font rendering would also apply to it. |
| 17:38.36 | matthias | i mean openoffice |
| 17:38.51 | matthias | Hi folks, does someone know, why debian openoffice does not use the freetype, all other applications do? Then the "native" font rendering would also apply to it. |
| 17:39.47 | Daveman | :) |
| 17:40.12 | quarkhead | i went for the common version, hope that will do the trick:-P |
| 17:40.18 | xand | o.o |
| 17:41.36 | valdyn | quarkhead: that's not the common version but the packae containing stuff common to all dovecot components and architectures |
| 17:41.37 | liable | are teh tubes blocked in the states or something? i am getting terrible traceroutes |
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| 17:42.43 | madriss | nm found it.. now it says running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE damage |
| 17:42.52 | madriss | what shud i use if not e2fsck |
| 17:43.05 | chops | madriss: remount the FS as read-only, fsck, and then reboot |
| 17:43.10 | quarkhead | ok |
| 17:43.12 | valdyn | madriss: you shouldnt fsck a rw mounted fs |
| 17:43.21 | madriss | ok thanx |
| 17:43.26 | stew | mastroDani: ok |
| 17:43.40 | chops | madriss: e2fsck is what you want to use, but using it on a writable FS will indeed cause severe damage |
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| 17:43.46 | madriss | i know its remount,rw for read & write, what is it for just read |
| 17:43.48 | chops | (s/writable/mounted writable/) |
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| 17:43.54 | chops | madriss: ro |
| 17:43.57 | madriss | thnx |
| 17:44.23 | madriss | i did mount -n -o remount,ro / and then e2fsck and it still gave the warning |
| 17:44.42 | m0rbid | Can someone tell me where I can obtain help with the Synapsis module? When I was using the generic kernel that comes with the etch install, my touchpad worked wonderfull. when I upgraded the kernel, it went to hell. |
| 17:44.44 | mastroDani | stew, now that i think of.. i've updated my debian unstable (sid if you prefer) 1 or 2 day after the etch release.. then i switched to Lenny.. may be this created some problem... (i switched after finding this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418477 ) |
| 17:44.51 | chops | madriss: What does 'mount' say? (use pastebin) |
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| 17:45.03 | madriss | oh no worries i think i got it |
| 17:45.06 | matthias | quit |
| 17:45.08 | mastroDani | stew, there's same way to find out if this could be the problem? |
| 17:45.13 | madriss | it works now.. but it says i dont have EXT2 |
| 17:45.19 | madriss | i have ext3 |
| 17:45.37 | stew | mastroDani: aptitude -f install |
| 17:45.38 | chops | madriss: Try 'fsck.ext3' maybe? |
| 17:46.07 | madriss | still says i dont have a correct ext2 filesystem |
| 17:46.19 | m0rbid | omg, whats going to happen when Debian runs out of Toy Story chars?? |
| 17:46.24 | m0rbid | Hell will freeze over? |
| 17:46.28 | chops | madriss: Can you pastebin 'mount' and the exact fsck command that you're running? |
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| 17:46.44 | holycow | guys i'm having seemingly random system freezes for about 30 sec at a time. i haven't been able to track down the process that does this. any suggestions on tools i can use to track down the issue? |
| 17:46.45 | ErikRose | m0rbid: Don't worry; we have hundreds of toy soldiers to go. ;-) |
| 17:46.53 | madriss | ah it didnt like me having -p in it |
| 17:46.59 | m0rbid | ErikRose: =) |
| 17:46.59 | madriss | cos its meant to be manual |
| 17:47.01 | madriss | sorry :) |
| 17:47.39 | chops | madriss: np |
| 17:47.40 | gpm | there's still got to be the evil emporer zurg version |
| 17:47.42 | m0rbid | is there a way to configure the synapsis module? Tweak it in anyway? |
| 17:47.51 | gpm | that'll be rad |
| 17:47.53 | m0rbid | maybe its an X problem? |
| 17:48.08 | m0rbid | Zurg version... lol |
| 17:48.09 | mastroDani | stew, and if i upgrade all the system to sid with apt-get distupgrade? and then think to reinstall java? this can fix the problem, isn't it? |
| 17:48.21 | m0rbid | Debian Zurg. Final Release. |
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| 17:48.32 | stew | mastroDani: you don't want unstable |
| 17:48.40 | m0rbid | then what? Debian Zurg AI 128b. |
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| 17:49.01 | gpm | well, i think it'd be more fitting if sid was the last release |
| 17:49.05 | gpm | if the community collapsed |
| 17:49.11 | m0rbid | never |
| 17:49.11 | gpm | they would just release sid and be done |
| 17:49.34 | m0rbid | fucking touchpad, its moving like a snail. |
| 17:49.47 | m0rbid | and I cannot "touchclick" |
| 17:50.29 | wintix | m0rbid: it won't work unless you think good of it ;) |
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| 17:50.51 | m0rbid | wintix: If I was able to aply lotion to it and masterbate it I would. |
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| 17:51.05 | wintix | heh |
| 17:51.17 | m0rbid | but for now I am looking for a fix. |
| 17:51.22 | m0rbid | ... of some sort. |
| 17:51.27 | mastroDani | stew, i don't want instable, but i don't want to uninstall half of my system too |
| 17:51.28 | gpm | don't do ddrugs |
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| 17:51.33 | m0rbid | too late. |
| 17:52.03 | m0rbid | drugs brought me to linux. |
| 17:52.08 | m0rbid | linux will bring me out, |
| 17:52.12 | mastroDani | there's the log of the installed packages somewhere.. if i found it i can downgrade the single packages |
| 17:52.26 | stew | mastroDani: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:52.39 | stew | mastroDani: what makes you think that this one package is causing a problem? |
| 17:52.46 | m0rbid | Do you guys think its a module problem? Or is it Xorg? |
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| 17:53.08 | gpm | could be hardware |
| 17:53.19 | mastroDani | stew, cause the only thing that i've done wrong is this |
| 17:53.21 | m0rbid | it works fine under the 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 17:53.25 | gpm | oh |
| 17:53.27 | gpm | probably module then |
| 17:53.33 | m0rbid | poop. |
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| 17:53.55 | stew | mastroDani: and what exactly is the problem then? |
| 17:54.02 | m0rbid | does mdetect write to xorg.conf? |
| 17:54.11 | gpm | if changing kernel versions fixes it, it seems logical that it might be the driver |
| 17:54.16 | gpm | not sure |
| 17:55.57 | m0rbid | I still have the old kernel isntalled, but when I try to use that one I cannt get X to work. Too many things have been upgraded to accomodate the new kernel. |
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| 17:55.58 | gpm | so how do you know it works with the old kernel? |
| 17:55.58 | mastroDani | stew, the only problem i see is that strange behavior of aptitutde |
| 17:55.59 | stew | mastroDani: which behaviour? can you show me the output? |
| 17:55.59 | m0rbid | worked during install, before SID upgrade. |
| 17:55.59 | stew | mastroDani: the long list of broken packages when trying to dist-upgrade to unstable was not strange |
| 17:56.05 | simonrvn | 'Sid' |
| 17:56.06 | m0rbid | sorry, I like the unstable repos. |
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| 17:56.15 | gpm | haha |
| 17:56.18 | simonrvn | if any caps are to be used |
| 17:56.21 | gpm | no need to apologize |
| 17:56.56 | m0rbid | it still is functional now, just really slow moving, and I cannot touchclick. |
| 17:57.08 | stew | m0rbid: are you using the synaptics driver? |
| 17:57.13 | gpm | i wish i knew more, but i've never used a laptop on linux before |
| 17:57.16 | m0rbid | si senor. |
| 17:57.30 | m0rbid | linux on laptops is amazing. |
| 17:57.47 | stew | m0rbid: "man synaptics" you can set MinSpeed, MaxSpeed and AccelFactor |
| 17:57.49 | mastroDani | stew, that list was with the only "lenny" repository and the aptitude -f install command |
| 17:58.01 | m0rbid | stew: Ill give it a shot. thanks. |
| 17:58.18 | stew | mastroDani: which list? |
| 17:58.52 | mastroDani | stew, this list http://pastebin.ca/444982 |
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| 18:00.44 | stew | mastroDani: i recommend using the aptitude frontend to sort out the dependencies |
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| 18:01.38 | mastroDani | stew, i have to go |
| 18:01.40 | mastroDani | bye |
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| 18:03.07 | simonrvn | "do something dumb, don't expect the fix to be easy" |
| 18:03.07 | stew | me must have been fibbing about at least one of those pastes |
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| 18:03.08 | UC|ORG|w0jtas | siema |
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| 18:03.20 | UC|ORG|w0jtas | hi, how can i slice apache logs automatically ? i want do that logs will be sliced everyday |
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| 18:03.42 | simonrvn | logrotate |
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| 18:03.51 | simonrvn | it's called log rotation |
| 18:03.54 | stew | UC|ORG|w0jtas: what does "slice" mean in this context? |
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| 18:08.04 | xingu | m0rbid: [gk]synaptics will give you a gui way to twiddle the various synaptics(5xorg) knobs. |
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| 18:08.30 | xingu | m0rbid: they're worth twiddling, especially the ones for finger fatness and scroll regions |
| 18:08.48 | stew | heh, are there really fatness settings? |
| 18:09.03 | dmlb2000 | Anyone know the name of the package for kernel building stuff? (ie want to build kernel mods against the default debian kernel)... |
| 18:09.04 | xingu | stew: "palmdetect" |
| 18:09.18 | gpm | dmlb2000: kernel-package ? |
| 18:09.24 | xingu | stew: and obviously palmwidth |
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| 18:10.17 | Octal | Hi |
| 18:10.24 | dmlb2000 | gpm: hmmm I have that but I don't have a /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-mckinley/build symlink pointing to anything (that's debian default ia64 btw). |
| 18:10.26 | Jojosan | Hello octal |
| 18:10.37 | Octal | I have a problem on my debian system: Mi micro doesn't work |
| 18:10.42 | Octal | my* |
| 18:10.51 | Jojosan | alsamixer - go to record settings |
| 18:11.01 | Jojosan | and select the good entry and raise the volume |
| 18:11.07 | gpm | dmlb2000: linux-headers-[kernel version]? |
| 18:11.22 | Octal | Jojosan, yes i did it |
| 18:11.26 | Jojosan | if you wanna hear your voice in the mike, raise the mike volume in the "reading" sound settings. |
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| 18:11.31 | Octal | i put the Mic On |
| 18:11.43 | dmlb2000 | gpm: that installs /usr/include/linux stuff iirc |
| 18:11.46 | Octal | but i can't use my micro |
| 18:11.55 | simonrvn | dmlb2000: no it doesn't |
| 18:12.02 | Jojosan | gpm: you can install it seemlessly by aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:12.09 | simonrvn | dmlb2000: sorry, misread, it does |
| 18:12.09 | dmlb2000 | simonrvn: I thought it did... let me check again |
| 18:12.16 | dmlb2000 | hehe ;) |
| 18:12.26 | stew | dmlb2000: you need the -headers package for that kernel |
| 18:12.27 | gpm | Jojosan: nice, i forgot |
| 18:12.49 | gpm | phew, i thought that was right |
| 18:12.54 | stew | dmlb2000: that will install the headers to /usr/include/linux-headers-$(uname -r) and make the build symlink point there |
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| 18:13.14 | simonrvn | linux-headers, linux-headers-someversion |
| 18:13.24 | dmlb2000 | trying that now |
| 18:13.28 | simonrvn | i think.. i'm all confused |
| 18:13.33 | quarkhead | i tried to remove xmail, but it was only reinstalled. After install and setup i get: dpkg: error processing xmail (--configure): |
| 18:13.33 | quarkhead | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:13.53 | dmlb2000 | yeah I'm still not seeing a /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-mckinley/build symlink anywhere... |
| 18:13.57 | quarkhead | how do i configure xmail correct, what is the command to configure xmail |
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| 18:14.10 | dmlb2000 | I thought there was some package somewhere that made that symlink |
| 18:14.11 | Octal | erf i'm going to eat now, i'll come back later |
| 18:14.14 | gpm | dmlb2000: what would you want the symlink to point to? |
| 18:14.19 | simonrvn | linux-kernel-headers, and linux-headers-version |
| 18:14.33 | gpm | dmlb2000: why not just make it? if you have the files you want the symlink to point to |
| 18:14.35 | simonrvn | former is the /usr/include stuff |
| 18:14.51 | dmlb2000 | gpm: the stuff needed to build modules against the running kernel |
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| 18:14.52 | gpm | dmlb2000: that's definitely headers |
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| 18:15.09 | gpm | and they go in /usr/src |
| 18:15.11 | gpm | iirc |
| 18:15.15 | simonrvn | yup |
| 18:15.50 | dmlb2000 | yeah I've got a /usr/src/linux-2.6_2.6.18 which came from the linux-tree package... |
| 18:16.01 | toad_ | is there any way to have PHP5 and phpmyadmin at the same time? |
| 18:16.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:16.16 | gpm | i've never used those |
| 18:16.20 | toad_ | how? |
| 18:16.21 | gpm | always used -headers |
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| 18:16.40 | simonrvn | install them? :) |
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| 18:17.12 | toad_ | hmmm ok |
| 18:17.17 | botox | hello. Has anybody had any good fortune installing the latest nvidia drivers for a geforce 8800? |
| 18:17.26 | toad_ | i did apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 and it wanted to remove phpmyadmin |
| 18:17.32 | botox | i cant even get vesa to work with this card |
| 18:17.39 | toad_ | is flyspray unmaintained? |
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| 18:17.44 | Tallu | Uhm, anyone have experience installing etch on a system with a jmicron sata/ide controller? I cant get the bugger to work, bios recognizes the drive as 'none' and linux as /dev/sda so grub and lilo both die upon boot saying no disk |
| 18:18.02 | xplozion | botox, whats the problem? X wont start? |
| 18:18.19 | stew | Tallu: try "aptitude install phpmyadmin libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 18:18.23 | toad_ | Tallu: did you turn it on in bios? |
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| 18:18.30 | gpm | dmlb2000: make sense? |
| 18:18.34 | toad_ | stew: yeah it worked now |
| 18:18.46 | botox | xplozion, yes, not even using vesa. i can get it to switch video on, but the monitor then goes into power save.. i have lowered all settings etc.. |
| 18:19.01 | botox | xplozion, i have also tried the official nvidia drivers but that script claims i dont have libc headers |
| 18:19.07 | botox | although i have them installed |
| 18:19.16 | Tallu | toad_: well, the jmicron is handling it separately somehow, i think |
| 18:19.28 | Tallu | toad_: i dont have physical access to the box which is making all this a lot harder |
| 18:19.31 | xplozion | botox, its because theres a headers needed, i had same problems as you |
| 18:19.41 | botox | xplozion, you have an 8800? |
| 18:19.53 | xplozion | 2 of em :P |
| 18:19.56 | dmlb2000 | gpm: Ah, linux-kbuild-2.6.20 is not installable... *sigh* |
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| 18:20.08 | dmlb2000 | gpm: that's the package I was thinking of linux-kbuild |
| 18:20.11 | botox | xplozion, how did you go about getting it working? care to explain? |
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| 18:20.22 | xplozion | botox, sure 1 second please |
| 18:20.26 | botox | ty |
| 18:20.45 | gpm | dmlb2000: huh...on sid? |
| 18:20.53 | stew | dmlb2000: its not built on all arches yet, but the source is available |
| 18:20.56 | dmlb2000 | gpm: only way to fly ;) |
| 18:21.07 | gpm | dmlb2000: they're only up to 2.6.18 i think |
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| 18:21.12 | xplozion | botox, this should work for you http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/152/212/ im at work cant explain step by step |
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| 18:21.13 | stew | gpm: no, 2.6.20 |
| 18:21.17 | xplozion | botox, i could guide you |
| 18:21.20 | dmlb2000 | stew: yup and I'll have to wait for gnome 2.18 as well that's kinda in the process |
| 18:21.54 | botox | xplozion, you used the debian method and not the nvidia shell script? |
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| 18:22.02 | xplozion | botox, i did exactly as it looks in the The Debian way with module-assistant |
| 18:22.03 | xplozion | yeah |
| 18:22.07 | xplozion | botox, yeah i did |
| 18:22.17 | botox | xplozion, ok, ill give it a go. brb |
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| 18:22.28 | xplozion | botox, ok good luck! |
| 18:22.30 | towerk | Is iptables on by default in Etch? |
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| 18:22.37 | xplozion | botox, let me know if you ran into problems |
| 18:22.55 | xplozion | towerk, i guess so |
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| 18:23.24 | streuner | no, no firewall until you set it up |
| 18:23.26 | gpm | stew: yeah, images are up to 20, i was searching kbuild |
| 18:23.35 | stew | gpm: kbuild is up to 2.6.20 as well |
| 18:23.36 | towerk | xplozion, Cause I can't ping etc from work |
| 18:23.42 | Sivik | can i get some help with wpasupplicant, it doesn't seem to be working |
| 18:23.42 | dmlb2000 | gpm: I'll have to wait I guess... |
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| 18:23.53 | stew | gpm: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-kbuild-2.6.html |
| 18:23.56 | towerk | xplosion ,,unless it crashed, but I don't hink sop |
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| 18:24.01 | guk | how would I get a interface (eth1) to snag an IP from DHCP but not take over my main one eth0 ? |
| 18:24.08 | guk | how do you set like ... priorities I guess ... |
| 18:24.22 | guk | then bind applications to eth1 if needed |
| 18:24.38 | xand | guk: what do you mean "take over" it? |
| 18:24.40 | xplozion | towerk, well, maybe ISP offline at work? |
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| 18:24.47 | dmlb2000 | I usually use a mapping of some type if I need anything weird like that |
| 18:24.50 | sharingos | hi |
| 18:24.53 | xplozion | towerk, or no power |
| 18:24.56 | sharingos | anyone knows why a c program that uses semaphores and system V objects doesn't works in slackware and does in Debian? |
| 18:24.57 | Vasistha | guk: I've never been successful with it, but probably with 'route' |
| 18:24.57 | xplozion | sharingos, Hello |
| 18:25.04 | gpm | stew: oh, crazy, i guess apt only showed me i386? it seems 20 is only built for amd64, powerpc and s390 |
| 18:25.08 | sharingos | what has of so special Debian?' |
| 18:25.11 | towerk | xplosion, no I can get into my house, just thought I had a VM with RDP and ssh on |
| 18:25.16 | xplozion | sharingos, Because Debian is the way ;) |
| 18:25.19 | sharingos | lol |
| 18:25.21 | Vasistha | sharingos: we're really not slackware experts ;-) |
| 18:25.30 | guk | well ... I have a NAT router right and my eth0 is behind my router and is my internet connection. I also have a hub connected right to my cable modem and eth1 is directly connected to that (via snort) but it seems my ISP is letting my DHCP 2x clients on there network so I want to see if I can actually use both interfaces at the same time |
| 18:25.32 | sharingos | it's very strange |
| 18:25.34 | guk | just kinda dinking around really |
| 18:25.43 | xplozion | sharingos, (Vasistha) sharingos: we're really not slackware experts ;-) <--- that too :P |
| 18:25.44 | dmlb2000 | sharingos: slack may still be non-nptl |
| 18:25.52 | sharingos | :D |
| 18:26.00 | xingu | sharingos: is /dev/shm mounted? is the source available somewhere? |
| 18:26.01 | rahul | sharingos: same kernel and glibc? |
| 18:26.06 | dmlb2000 | sharingos: which iirc debian's glibc is nptl |
| 18:26.09 | sharingos | uhm |
| 18:26.14 | simonrvn | it is |
| 18:26.18 | rahul | or at least close |
| 18:26.20 | xplozion | towerk, but it was working before? |
| 18:26.21 | simonrvn | even on ppc |
| 18:26.25 | towerk | xplozion,. thanks I'll check when I get home |
| 18:26.30 | Vasistha | !slackware |
| 18:26.30 | dpkg | from memory, slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
| 18:26.35 | rahul | sharingos: maybe you're using kernel 2.4 on slack |
| 18:26.36 | xingu | simonrvn: that must be painful |
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| 18:26.39 | sharingos | different kernel and maybe different glibc also XD |
| 18:26.48 | sharingos | ah |
| 18:26.52 | rahul | if anyone knows about painful, it's simonrvn |
| 18:26.58 | Vasistha | interesting how the suggestions flow so much more enthusiastically than they do to someone asking a similar question with ubuntu! |
| 18:26.59 | towerk | xplozion, /etc/init.d/iptables stop ?? |
| 18:27.04 | sharingos | it doesn't works in ubuntu also |
| 18:27.08 | rahul | haha |
| 18:27.09 | Vasistha | haha |
| 18:27.17 | rahul | !penixstrike ubuntu |
| 18:27.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ubuntu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:27.18 | xingu | sharingos: I repeat, is the source available somewhere |
| 18:27.24 | sharingos | of my program? |
| 18:27.25 | sharingos | yes |
| 18:27.29 | sharingos | of course |
| 18:27.33 | towerk | xplozion, no I just set it ip last night, noticed I couldn't ping |
| 18:27.41 | sharingos | I use nopaste |
| 18:27.49 | Vasistha | rahul: at some point, check out <ubuntu rocks> |
| 18:27.51 | xingu | that'd be a good idea. :) |
| 18:27.53 | simonrvn | i won't deny that |
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| 18:27.58 | sharingos | XD |
| 18:28.16 | rahul | Vasistha: heh! |
| 18:28.28 | towerk | xplosion, all outbound works, ssh, internet |
| 18:28.29 | mustmr | i've just installed wine, and opengl32.dll.so is missing |
| 18:28.44 | xplozion | towerk, maybe you made some changes... But an install from scratch does not gives that kind of error |
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| 18:28.51 | xplozion | towerk, at least never happened to me ;) |
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| 18:28.58 | simonrvn | mustmr: libwine-gl or something |
| 18:28.59 | l_lama | hi all |
| 18:29.02 | sharingos | http://rafb.net/p/F0q4xv81.html |
| 18:29.03 | towerk | xplosion, cool, thanks |
| 18:29.05 | sharingos | to compile |
| 18:29.19 | sharingos | use -lncurses options |
| 18:29.19 | sharingos | *option |
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| 18:29.37 | sharingos | sorry for the comments, they're in italian language.. |
| 18:29.41 | xplozion | towerk, No problem |
| 18:29.58 | l_lama | I have problem with OpenSSL in etch: openvpn scripts invoke openssl as: openssl req -days 3650 -nodes -new -keyout $1.key -out $1.csr -extensions server -config $KEY_CONFIG |
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| 18:30.34 | xingu | sharingos: check out the source for xneko sometime if you want funky foreign source. |
| 18:30.35 | mustmr | simonrvn, thanks |
| 18:30.46 | l_lama | but openssl fails with error: error loadin extension server |
| 18:30.50 | sharingos | xneko? |
| 18:31.15 | simonrvn | l_lama: isn't that a config file option? |
| 18:31.21 | Octal | re |
| 18:31.46 | Octal | Anyone knows how i can use my micro ? |
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| 18:32.02 | l_lama | simonrvn, yes, it seems to be an openssl.cnf section I think, bu there are no such section in this file. |
| 18:32.30 | Vasistha | Octal: your what? |
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| 18:33.12 | Octal | microphone |
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| 18:33.17 | xsdg | !tell me about marillat |
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| 18:33.40 | simonrvn | l_lama: yeh, so you add it, it's in the cert type section |
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| 18:35.18 | xingu | sharingos: links and runs just fine here. |
| 18:35.36 | Vasistha | !tell xsdg -about msg the bot |
| 18:35.53 | Vasistha | Octal: have you unmuted it in the mixer? |
| 18:35.59 | Octal | yes |
| 18:36.19 | sharingos | yes you are in Debian :D |
| 18:36.29 | sharingos | however thanks for trying ^^ |
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| 18:36.53 | xingu | sharingos: neko means cat in japanese; xneko is a little guy that follows your mouse cursor around |
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| 18:37.13 | sharingos | lol |
| 18:37.19 | xingu | sharingos: and the source is c++, but it's all romanji which makes things entertaining. |
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| 18:37.54 | sharingos | the source should be C code, not C++ |
| 18:38.52 | xingu | sharingos: aah, misread; does the source compile on slackware? |
| 18:39.00 | Octal | arf it doesn't work (i'm testing with audacity) |
| 18:39.01 | sharingos | yes |
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| 18:39.13 | sharingos | it compiles |
| 18:39.37 | xingu | sharingos: can you run it as strace -fo strace.out ./foo |
| 18:39.42 | sharingos | ok |
| 18:39.43 | xingu | sharingos: and pastebin the result? |
| 18:39.46 | sharingos | ok |
| 18:39.59 | sharingos | az |
| 18:40.08 | sharingos | now I'am also in Debian |
| 18:40.18 | xingu | ... in slack obviously. :) |
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| 18:40.51 | Vasistha | Octal: yeah, audacity is a great place to test, because you can visually see if something's coming in. Of course, with audacity, you also have to make sure you've got the right thing selected and unmuted and turned up to high enough sensitivity and all |
| 18:40.59 | sharingos | Slack now is not possible :( |
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| 18:41.18 | sid | I'm running unstable, and I did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade a couple days ago.. and I tried to boot now.. and my encrypted partition won't boot.(my main / partition) therefore my system won't boot. |
| 18:41.23 | mustmr | how do i install glxgears? |
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| 18:41.26 | sid | any known bugs on bts about this? |
| 18:41.31 | m0rbid | \o/ |
| 18:41.40 | sid | mustmr: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search bin/glxgears |
| 18:41.40 | m0rbid | touchpad works better now. |
| 18:41.45 | sharingos | however.. I have used gdb |
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| 18:42.14 | sharingos | and the program blocks itself after 1 second |
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| 18:42.50 | h3sp4wn | sid: Using debian kernel's ? (any .bak initrd's in /boot) |
| 18:42.53 | xingu | sharingos: hmm; there's no reason why slack would be unable to use sysv shm in particular, in fact many many things now depend on it working. |
| 18:43.21 | sharingos | uhm |
| 18:43.32 | nn-laptop | hi all\ |
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| 18:43.43 | xingu | sharingos: if it's a 2.6 kernel, make sure /dev/shm is mounted (shmfs); if it's a 2.4 module, you might need to load a module (it's been too long since I last used 2.4 sorry, don't know what it would be) |
| 18:43.57 | nn-laptop | what is new |
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| 18:44.14 | sharingos | uhm |
| 18:44.22 | dkr | hrm, etch upgrades last week seem to have messed up my mail server. now spamassassin is running clamscan for every mail (and running up my load) instead of using clamd |
| 18:44.29 | sharingos | no problem |
| 18:44.33 | sharingos | thanks very much |
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| 18:45.38 | xingu | sharingos: in fact 2.4 needs shmfs too |
| 18:45.54 | sharingos | uhm |
| 18:46.23 | sharingos | my friend has tried it with Ubuntu |
| 18:46.30 | Octal | i have an error message now with audacity |
| 18:46.33 | xingu | sharingos: ...linux/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt: 2) glibc 2.2 and above expects tmpfs to be mounted at /dev/shm for POSIX shared memory (shm_open, shm_unlink). |
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| 18:46.40 | sharingos | and he has a kernel >= 2.6 |
| 18:46.47 | sharingos | uhm |
| 18:47.31 | sharingos | thanks |
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| 18:48.18 | xingu | sharingos: next step is a strace showing what's failing. |
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| 18:48.30 | Joe7 | hi |
| 18:48.34 | sharingos | if my friend go online |
| 18:48.58 | sharingos | I'll paste the log |
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| 18:51.53 | BUMBACL0T | !x11 |
| 18:51.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 18:56.02 | ve1drg | anyone know how I can run 'mkbootfloppy'. I tried it from a terminal prompt and got a 'huh'' |
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| 18:56.45 | Joe7 | How is it possible to downgrade to Sarge from Etch? :/ |
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| 18:57.00 | valdyn | Joe7: it is not, if you have to ask |
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| 18:57.27 | gpm | valdyn: it's not doable period...unless you went through and manually downgraded each package right? |
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| 18:57.44 | botox | xplozion, drivers for gf8800 installed fine, although now, no matter what i try to set my resolution and refresh rates at, i get a blank screen. however, the monitor indicates that it is recieving a signal |
| 18:57.49 | botox | xplozion, had anything similar? |
| 18:57.57 | valdyn | gpm: ...and fix all the errors you _will_ get, yea |
| 18:58.02 | concept10 | is hdparm.conf checked on boot? |
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| 18:58.18 | valdyn | concept10: yea |
| 18:58.20 | stew | concept10: grep hdparm /etc/init.d/* |
| 18:58.23 | gpm | yeah, i bet in 99% of cases it's easier to just reinstall with the lower version |
| 18:58.31 | xplozion | botox, great its working. i didnt had anything sililar to that, what res are you trying? |
| 18:58.40 | Joe7 | valdyn ? |
| 18:58.51 | botox | xplozion, i have tried 1600*1200. 1024*768, 800*600 |
| 18:58.56 | botox | down to 16 bit color |
| 18:58.56 | valdyn | Joe7: you cant downgrade |
| 18:58.57 | concept10 | stew: dont see it, im thinking its checked in rc.local maybe?! |
| 18:59.02 | botox | 60 hz refresh |
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| 18:59.11 | botox | it is detecting screens for sure |
| 18:59.14 | botox | and the driver |
| 18:59.24 | Joe7 | valdyn: cool, but etch has couple of pretty cool systemkilling kernelerrors, while sarge was rockstable. cool :> |
| 18:59.32 | botox | as if i lower color depth to 1, i get the output stating no usueable screens |
| 18:59.33 | xplozion | botox, what weird, it didnt happened to me |
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| 18:59.43 | valdyn | Joe7: so report the bugs |
| 18:59.46 | botox | im wondering wether it might be because its dual dvi |
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| 18:59.56 | botox | although if i move monitor to other dvi, i get no signal |
| 18:59.58 | famir | Hi, i keep getting this error any idea why ? "Check that you typed it correctly and that you haven't activated the "caps lock" key". |
| 18:59.59 | Joe7 | valdyn: I have nothing but weird kernel errors |
| 19:00.34 | valdyn | Joe7: no one can help you if you cant come up with a better description than 'weird' ;) |
| 19:00.36 | concept10 | I have no friggin idea what /etc/init.d/rc.local does |
| 19:00.51 | Joe7 | valdyn: I could copypaste errors..but nothing else :| |
| 19:00.57 | dkr | famir: in what context? |
| 19:01.02 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 19:01.02 | dpkg | initscript package versions after 2.86.ds1-1 have an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating systems. |
| 19:01.11 | kevinl-- | concept10: i think its just for throwing in hacky boot time commands |
| 19:01.21 | famir | dkr : trying to run "network-admin". |
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| 19:01.22 | concept10 | stew: okay, I see it there.. thanks |
| 19:01.29 | valdyn | concept10: good for nothing but user modifications, not used by debian |
| 19:01.33 | concept10 | kevinl--: yeah, thanks |
| 19:02.20 | valdyn | Joe7: that's what people usually do in here to get errors fix, cut&paste is excellent |
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| 19:02.27 | Azar | famir: this looks like a password type-in screen.. |
| 19:02.34 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:02.34 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 19:02.58 | Joe7 | proxy error both, but thanks ;> |
| 19:03.07 | botox | xplozion, you usnig crt monitor? |
| 19:03.10 | dkr | famir: maybe you are just getting your password wrong? |
| 19:03.18 | xplozion | botox, yeah :( |
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| 19:03.23 | Joe7 | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/445173 |
| 19:03.38 | Joe7 | 100s of that.. |
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| 19:03.49 | dkr | famir: you have to enter root password. not your own password |
| 19:03.49 | famir | Azar : yes i giving a correct password and then im getting this error, the password is correct and works with su. |
| 19:03.55 | valdyn | Joe7: that's not a debian kernel |
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| 19:04.13 | Azar | famir: capital letters or lower-case letters? |
| 19:04.22 | Joe7 | valdyn: that is true, I've never said that. It's a custom kernel, but used for 6+ months now and never seen an error with sarge. |
| 19:04.25 | valdyn | Joe7: its also not a bug in debian software but a kernel or hardware bug. so uh, debian has nothing to dowith it |
| 19:04.29 | famir | dkr: 10x but i know |
| 19:04.39 | valdyn | Joe7: sure, sarge might not trigger it. |
| 19:04.44 | dkr | famir: are you using etch? I just test and ti works fine for me |
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| 19:04.54 | esters | what could be the cause of not having "networking" daemon in /etc/init.d ? |
| 19:05.09 | famir | Azar:the password is not the issue !!! im sure of it |
| 19:05.14 | xand | !paste |
| 19:05.14 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 19:05.16 | Joe7 | valdyn: ok, so what is the best idea now in your oppinion? try a newer kernel? |
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| 19:05.22 | concept10 | I love messing around with bootscripts. You can't have this much fun on windows. |
| 19:05.23 | xand | pfft, that doesnt work |
| 19:05.24 | xand | !Paster |
| 19:05.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:05.27 | xplozion | botox, what does xorg logs say? |
| 19:05.28 | valdyn | Joe7: use a debian kernel |
| 19:05.32 | xand | !pastebin |
| 19:05.39 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:05.39 | xand | fail. |
| 19:05.41 | Azar | famir: the error seems to point at incorrect password |
| 19:05.46 | dkr | famir: just edit /etc/network/interfaces it's not that complicated :) |
| 19:05.48 | famir | there is around 10 blog msg about it but no aswer |
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| 19:06.43 | famir | wait! where can i paste some thing ? |
| 19:06.52 | dkr | famir: try launching it from your gnome menu, Desktop...administration...networking. it uses a different auth method to launch network-admin |
| 19:06.56 | Vasistha | !tell famit -about paster |
| 19:07.06 | Vasistha | wait, is that broken still? |
| 19:07.09 | xand | what is this all about (loads of it in the console): http://pastebin.ca/445180 ? |
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| 19:07.24 | sid | How can I manually mount my debian etch encrypted file system via command line in a livecd? |
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| 19:07.30 | Vasistha | famir: sorry, try pastebin.ca or rafb.net/paste instead |
| 19:07.37 | sid | cryptsetup something, but how do I know the name of it. |
| 19:08.00 | famir | http://pastebin.ca/445181 |
| 19:08.12 | Vasistha | sid: do you maybe have some sort of record of what commands you had set up to mount it? |
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| 19:08.37 | jnsears | hi, i'm trying to get a postfix server set up. it works locally but when i try to send mail from another server it does nothing. any ideas? |
| 19:08.59 | valdyn | jnsears: 'nothing' meaning which error? |
| 19:09.02 | xand | define "does nothing" |
| 19:09.08 | jnsears | literally nothing |
| 19:09.10 | jnsears | no error |
| 19:09.15 | jnsears | no error message |
| 19:09.25 | esters | what could be the cause of not having "networking" daemon in /etc/init.d ? |
| 19:09.54 | valdyn | jnsears: lies, look again, in postfix's log and in the program you are using to send mail |
| 19:09.55 | famir | When im runnig "gksu -d synaptic" it work just fine |
| 19:09.58 | sid | Vasistha: no, I only have one partition, and any data is encrypted. heh |
| 19:10.02 | jnsears | i'm talking about sending from another smtp into my mail account on my postfix server |
| 19:10.22 | stew | esters: its in the netbase package. do you have that package installed? |
| 19:10.25 | valdyn | jnsears: that's fine, one of both must have an error logged |
| 19:10.29 | jnsears | where can i find the postfix log? |
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| 19:10.36 | Vasistha | sid: do you know which encryption algorithm you were using? That's going to be important... |
| 19:10.46 | valdyn | jnsears: /var/log/postfix ? i dont use postfix myself |
| 19:10.51 | esters | stew: weird i didn't had it |
| 19:10.55 | sid | Vasistha: Whatever the default is. |
| 19:10.59 | esters | stew: thanks :) |
| 19:11.24 | famir | Help! |
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| 19:11.40 | jnsears | hmm, no good. find / -iname "postfix" doesn't find anything promising either |
| 19:11.40 | Vasistha | sid: assumably you were using dm-crypt... |
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| 19:12.42 | Azar | sql-ledger package should be removed from Debian repos |
| 19:12.49 | {cyborg} | Hi, I'd like to setup suspend2 for my laptop running etch. Is there an official kernel-patch for the debian linux-source ? |
| 19:13.00 | jnsears | found the log |
| 19:13.23 | Azar | valdyn: .. |
| 19:13.23 | Vasistha | famir: if you don't get an immediate answer to your question, it probably means that noone who is looking at their screen knows how to help you. Why don't you just wait 30 minutes and try again. repeating a question every 5 minutes, or saying things like "help" is unlikely to get you anything but chastisement |
| 19:13.41 | valdyn | Azar: why should it? |
| 19:14.00 | Azar | valdyn: bruhaha : http://lwn.net/Articles/230828/ |
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| 19:14.16 | calamar | what should i use nowadays when on sarge i use base-config? need that to set some xen guests |
| 19:14.22 | valdyn | Azar: hes back to gpl |
| 19:14.29 | famir | Vasistha : got a point! sorry! |
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| 19:14.45 | valdyn | Azar: beside that he cant restrict code that was already gpl |
| 19:15.18 | Azar | valdyn: what I understood is that even that gpl license is questionalbe |
| 19:15.23 | Azar | ..ble |
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| 19:15.28 | valdyn | Azar: oh |
| 19:15.42 | amphi | Azar: in what way? |
| 19:15.59 | Vasistha | sid: I managed to set up an encrypted partition last year -- though not a root partition -- and I documented what I did, but unfortunately I don't have that all handy right now :P however I would recommend googling around for dm-crypt and/or cryptsetup, and see if you can figure out how encrypted drives are usually set up -- that ought to get you on the road to figuring out how to mount an encrypted drive |
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| 19:16.15 | valdyn | Azar: i cant see that part |
| 19:16.28 | amphi | Azar: AFAICS it's only Darl that [ostensibly] believes that, and also that the GPL is unconstitutional |
| 19:16.37 | Azar | valdyn: read this one too, the original http://www.purple.dropbear.id.au/sql-ledger-license-changed-no-longer-gpl-when-gpl-software-goes-bad |
| 19:16.42 | quarkhead | i want to set up eth1 in addition to eth0, i type: ifconfig eth1 x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x up, it works, but then i reboot and eth1 i gone, how do i make this permanent? |
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| 19:16.51 | sid | Vasistha: I've used encrypted partitions before, on remote boxes. Usually I do crytpsetup create foo /dev/hdc5; mount /dev/mapper/hdc5 /blah; But this doesn't work in this situation, not sure why. etch automatically did all the encrypted file system stuff, so I'm not sure what method it actually used |
| 19:16.56 | Vasistha | quarkhead: put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:17.07 | quarkhead | tnx |
| 19:17.10 | Vasistha | quarkhead: along with auto eth1 |
| 19:17.18 | Azar | amphi: what transpires from the story is that this guy made a mock of the gpl licence and his going are still very obscure |
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| 19:18.10 | Azar | and what's new today to me it looks the trademark issue goes as well (as in the firefox story) or I might be wrong |
| 19:18.47 | Vasistha | sid: well, a number of things come to mind that could act as obstacles in your particular situation. Have you got any error messages to work with? |
| 19:18.49 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 19:18.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 19:19.09 | abrotman | Azar: are you still talking about that ? |
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| 19:19.24 | abrotman | Azar: there's absolutely no reason to remove it |
| 19:19.29 | abrotman | yet |
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| 19:19.54 | Azar | abrotman :) |
| 19:20.07 | valdyn | Azar: once something is gpl, he cant change it, not even the most moronic dev can do anything to restrict software he published as under gpl terms |
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| 19:20.41 | Michom | hello, when i used su, where is the log file that logs all what happens during being in the superuser mode? |
| 19:20.41 | Azar | I can't wait for the guy to reply publicly and say it how it is, or at least to officialy state his software is fully compliant and under the GPL. |
| 19:20.59 | abrotman | Azar: it doesn't matter .. he's already released it under the GPL |
| 19:21.20 | sinnus | Hello all. I have problem with my soundcard (Intel HD ALC 833). And I need alsa 1.0.13. Where can I download this deb fro Etch? Thanx. |
| 19:21.36 | Vasistha | Michom: uhm, I don't know if such a log file exists... |
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| 19:22.02 | Vasistha | sinnus: aptitude install alsa-base |
| 19:22.04 | xand | Michom: /root/.bash_history or nothing |
| 19:22.10 | Michom | ok thx |
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| 19:22.12 | xand | Michom: but there isn't an su log |
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| 19:22.25 | sid | Vasistha: I have an error message... |
| 19:22.29 | Vasistha | ah, .bash_history, a very good suggestion indeed |
| 19:22.53 | stew | Maakuth: /var/log/auth.log will tell you that someone has used su, but won't tell you what they are doing during the su session |
| 19:22.54 | Seb | what's the smallest app i can use to play a WAV file ? COmmand-line only please... |
| 19:22.55 | jnsears | valdyn: i didn't have the sasl stuff installed. thanks for getting me on the right path |
| 19:23.05 | Daveman | xands :) |
| 19:23.07 | valdyn | Azar: only if he is the owner of the rights to all the code he can only change the license on additions, not on the gpl 'base' |
| 19:23.07 | quarkhead | Vasistha: please give me a example |
| 19:23.09 | xand | o.o |
| 19:23.10 | Azar | congrats Vasistha ! you are the first one to recommend the use of aptitude in here |
| 19:23.12 | Vasistha | Seb: mpg123 perhaps |
| 19:23.16 | stew | Maakuth: if you need that kind of auditing, perhaps look at snoopy (which logs everything anyone does, not just su though) |
| 19:23.18 | abrotman | cplay maybe ? |
| 19:23.20 | Seb | Vasistha: ah right |
| 19:23.23 | sinnus | Vasistha: Unfortunately in the debian alsa 1.0.12rc1 exists |
| 19:23.23 | Michom | xand: thanks, that's what i wanted |
| 19:23.25 | Vasistha | Azar: dude, that's just not true :-) |
| 19:23.26 | valdyn | jnsears: that wasn't me |
| 19:23.28 | Michom | Vasistha: thanks too |
| 19:23.30 | sinnus | Vasistha: I need 1.0.13 |
| 19:23.30 | Ronin | Azar: i doubt very much Vasistha is the first to suggest aptitude |
| 19:23.46 | Vasistha | sinnus: uhm ... what version of debian are you using? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:23.47 | Azar | valdyn: did you notice that with the 2.8.0 version he is restricting forking ? |
| 19:24.06 | Vasistha | quarkhead: for /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:24.07 | Azar | ahh Ronin, you too my bad I rephrase: one of the few |
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| 19:24.15 | quarkhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.38 | quarkhead | to enable autostart eth1 static ip |
| 19:24.54 | sid | Vasistha: "cryptsetup: failed to setup lvm device" is one error I get after I put in my password |
| 19:25.12 | Vasistha | quarkhead: it should be very similar to what you did with ifconfig. one line with eth1 x.x.x.x and the next line with the netmask. If you want it to come up automatically on boot, make a separate line that says auto eth1. Also, man interfaces |
| 19:25.16 | valdyn | Azar: ...and went back to gpl, didnt he? |
| 19:25.46 | wols_ | valdyn: he basically had to |
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| 19:25.52 | wols_ | still a very stupid thing even to try |
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| 19:26.06 | wols_ | and then the stunt with the mailinglist basically seals it: there is no trust left |
| 19:26.14 | valdyn | wols_: he doesn't own rights to all smbledger code? |
| 19:26.22 | quarkhead | ok, ill try that TNX |
| 19:26.29 | calamar | what should i use nowadays with etch when on sarge i use base-config? need that to set some xen guests |
| 19:26.29 | wols_ | especially when he forbids forks which means the app can hold your financial data hostage |
| 19:26.39 | Azar | valdyn: this was really confusing... moved to OSI, back to GPL Im like wtf? |
| 19:26.42 | wols_ | valdyn: afaik apart from some translations he does |
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| 19:27.04 | valdyn | wols_: so i he went back to gpl 'just' for polical reasons |
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| 19:27.29 | wols_ | basically yes. he's still pissed about the fork |
| 19:27.32 | Vasistha | quarkhead: when you've got the lines in /etc/network/interfaces then you should be able to bring the eth1 interface up and down with ifup eth1; ifdown eth1; |
| 19:27.49 | wols_ | but his antics basically mean he is the best reason there is a fork |
| 19:27.51 | Azar | http://www.sql-ledger.org/cgi-bin/nav.pl?page=misc/slosl.txt < what is sosl? |
| 19:28.09 | wols_ | that is the name of the license he tried |
| 19:28.12 | abrotman | Azar: ask them . not us .. |
| 19:28.12 | wols_ | the no forking one |
| 19:28.20 | Azar | wols_: I read that it prevents forking as well |
| 19:28.35 | wols_ | yes it does. this is the license he tried to ship 2.8.0 under |
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| 19:28.59 | Azar | sosl say: SQL-LEDGER OPEN SOURCE LICENSE not GPL |
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| 19:30.04 | Vasistha | sinnus: you can see for yourself here that etch (stable) should be version 1.0.13 -- so either you're not really running etch, or you're using a bad mirror in your sources.list, or perhaps you're not even running debian ... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=alsa&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 19:30.23 | tabris|away | Azar: you'll also note that it went _back_ to GPL, _plus_ there is a fork that has remained GPL. |
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| 19:30.33 | Alumin | is it possible to install individual X applications without installing an X server? |
| 19:30.35 | tabris|away | bah... nm. |
| 19:30.41 | Azar | tabris|away: he went back? link please? |
| 19:30.43 | wols_ | Alumin: of course yes |
| 19:30.45 | Alumin | as an example, let's say I wanted to install xterm |
| 19:30.57 | Alumin | because, xterm depends on xfree86-common |
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| 19:31.01 | wols_ | Alumin: just apt-get it |
| 19:31.09 | wols_ | Alumin: only in oldstable |
| 19:31.09 | abrotman | Alumin: that's not the actual xserver |
| 19:31.12 | Azar | this is what bothers me: rumors |
| 19:31.15 | tabris|away | Azar: my understanding was that 2.8 was the SOSL license, 2.8.1 went back to GPL. |
| 19:31.18 | Alumin | so xfree86-common won't bring in the entire X server? |
| 19:31.20 | abrotman | Azar: SO GO ASK THEM! |
| 19:31.20 | simonrvn | that's not the server... and wth do you have xfree86-common still? |
| 19:31.22 | wols_ | tabris|away: right |
| 19:31.35 | Alumin | cool...this is sarge btw |
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| 19:31.36 | wols_ | Alumin: yes we know |
| 19:31.37 | sinnus | Vasistha: ohh. Thanx... |
| 19:31.37 | simonrvn | yeh, oldstable |
| 19:31.41 | Alumin | will become etch in the not-too-distant future, but for now it's sarge |
| 19:31.52 | valdyn | there's quite some software that started as 'free' and went closed at some point. That's no reasons to remove it from debian, just not to upgrade it |
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| 19:32.15 | tabris|away | Azar: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/04/15/1759254.shtml <-- yes, /. and thus not the most reliable, but it has links |
| 19:32.15 | valdyn | see 'nessus' |
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| 19:32.43 | valdyn | or 'linuxtrade' iirc |
| 19:33.26 | Vasistha | sid: what commands are you using to attempt to set up the mapper device and mount the partition? |
| 19:34.08 | wols_ | valdyn: things like those is why I'm always wary of projects who want to get copyrights assigned for patches |
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| 19:38.02 | xand | ban please |
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| 19:38.35 | stew | xand: i would, but you haven't done anything wrong |
| 19:38.40 | xand | not me :( |
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| 19:39.11 | mina_linux_Tux | previously i was in a need for an image installable CD of my running linux system including all configs but i failed, plus i found that there's a lot of things i don't need it in my system like ( games , irc, ..etc ) so now i want to make an minimal installable CD that has a touchscreen , Printer driver installation and Kiosk configs, i was redirected to debian custom, any comment |
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| 19:39.48 | gpm | then who? |
| 19:39.55 | gpm | who stole the cookie from the cookie jar? |
| 19:40.00 | abrotman | damm you! |
| 19:40.11 | wols_ | alleyoopster: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 19:40.14 | gpm | damn? |
| 19:40.20 | mina_linux_Tux | any comment |
| 19:40.25 | abrotman | yeah .. i have nonnimble fingers :) |
| 19:40.41 | gpm | haha |
| 19:40.46 | gpm | i'm sorry |
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| 19:40.51 | alleyoopster | wols_ cheers ill look it up |
| 19:40.51 | gpm | i'll let it slide from now on |
| 19:40.54 | wols_ | abrotman: on the bright side, that gives you an alibi for the cookie theft |
| 19:40.57 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: well, 'tar' is designed to be able to duplicate file systems kinda like what you want. |
| 19:40.59 | gpm | haha |
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| 19:41.08 | abrotman | wols_: i could have just smashed the damn jar :) |
| 19:41.09 | gpm | damn cookies are just TOO GOOD |
| 19:41.10 | valdyn | alleyoopster: acpi can do suspend to ram, powersaved is just a program that can trigger a suspend to ram, swsusp is suspend to disk |
| 19:41.29 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: some more details |
| 19:41.42 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: man tar? google? I've never done it, I dunno. |
| 19:41.44 | wols_ | ok, then the senseless act of vandalism points directly to you of course |
| 19:42.15 | valdyn | alleyoopster: apm and acpi are the system components that can do suspend 2 ram, modern computers should probably use the acpi method, ymmv |
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| 19:43.00 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: but if you want to minimize it, then you should probably use aptitude to comb through the installed packages and remove anything you don't need. You can also filter the list to exclude required and important packages, so you'll only be looking at the packages you might actually want to remove |
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| 19:43.12 | alleyoopster | valdyn: can I use powersaved on its own or is acpi needed, I am guessing it is |
| 19:43.29 | valdyn | alleyoopster: it is |
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| 19:43.42 | baxter_kylie | Hi. :) Is there a means within aptitude to tell it to use a specific version of the software (similar to gentoo keywords/use)? |
| 19:43.46 | valdyn | alleyoopster: which 'acpi' are you talking about? the debian package? that's not needed |
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| 19:43.56 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: and what about the CDD , Custom Debian Distro ? |
| 19:44.02 | valdyn | alleyoopster: the kernel driver is needed but is part of any debian kernel.. |
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| 19:44.18 | Vasistha | baxter_kylie: yes, there is, although I don't know off the top of my head ... |
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| 19:44.40 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: is there a guide to do what you mentioned previously and also a guide or how-to for the CDD |
| 19:44.51 | abrotman | baxter_kylie: =<versionnumber> or something similiar |
| 19:44.57 | valdyn | alleyoopster: 'cat /sys/power/state' tells you what you can do |
| 19:44.57 | alleyoopster | valdyn: yes the package, I am having some problems with suspend and needed to understand a bit more about what I am playing with, it is a complex topic it seems |
| 19:44.59 | abrotman | baxter_kylie: the man page should mention it |
| 19:44.59 | Vasistha | baxter_kylie: /usr/share/aptitude/README has great instructions for aptitude, and I'm virtually certain that topic will be covered in the document |
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| 19:45.16 | xittum | anyone know the solution to audio problems with this tvcard "Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture" ? i did try lo load it in /etc/modules with "bttv card=39 tuner=0" but stille problems (i think its autoloaded later in the boot process) a friend and i (acutally 3) have got the same problem) |
| 19:45.19 | cydork | baxter_kylie: aptitude install foo=version? |
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| 19:45.20 | baxter_kylie | abrotman: Gratz. Is there a config somewhere where I can set that permanently? |
| 19:45.23 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: I have no idea. |
| 19:45.28 | valdyn | alleyoopster: mm, less complex than the horrible number of terms to describe the same stuff |
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| 19:45.39 | abrotman | baxter_kylie: you can use pinning or place it on hold |
| 19:45.56 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: what's pre-seeding ? |
| 19:45.59 | analfabeta | i' do a postinstall script to cp some .conf to my diretories, but i dont know witch path i need put in script... |
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| 19:46.15 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: I don't know. In what context? (I still don't know ;-) |
| 19:46.39 | alleyoopster | valdyn: I just watched Mathew Garrets video on it, lots of problems mostly drivers it seems and yes lots of terms spilling over between OS and versions |
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| 19:47.13 | xittum | abrotman: you dont know how the problem i wrote is ficed? i did try read about it but.. i cant get the soultion i found to work |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 19:47.21 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:47.26 | valdyn | alleyoopster: hibernate=suspend2disk, done by suspend,suspend2,swsusp, suspend2ram, done by apm,acpi. All of them can be triggered by the 'powersave' program and various similar tools |
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| 19:47.44 | ribasushi | hi |
| 19:47.44 | abrotman | xittum: i've never seen a tv card |
| 19:47.45 | kupesoft | Why is the kernel for testing so out of date? |
| 19:47.57 | Clark_Kent | Hi, I get a gpgv error during aptitude update, unfortunately dpkg-reconfigure gpgv and gnupg didn't change the situation, any tips? |
| 19:48.04 | xand | kupesoft: because it hasn't been updated yet |
| 19:48.11 | stew | kupesoft: /msg dpkg why is linux-2.6 not in testing |
| 19:48.13 | xittum | abrotman: damn.. i was just thinking.. your always around so maybe.. hmm.. okay :-/ |
| 19:48.21 | abrotman | xittum: snd_pcm_oss loaded ? |
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| 19:48.34 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: regarding combing through your package list, though -- open up the aptitude front-end and just go through all the packages; you should be able to find and remove games and other things you don't need. Also, it might be a good idea to mark most libraries as automatically installed. read /usr/share/aptitude/README to get a better idea how to make aptitude work really well for you. Filter the list with 'l' |
| 19:48.38 | kupesoft | stew: Thank you |
| 19:48.43 | xittum | abrotman: yep |
| 19:48.45 | alleyoopster | valdyn: cool, well if all else fails are go for suspend2, thanks for your help |
| 19:49.05 | ribasushi | is there an easy way to allow firebird extensions to be installed on icedove? |
| 19:49.16 | ribasushi | *thunderbird |
| 19:49.23 | kupesoft | stew: How long will it take for a new kernel to trickle down to testing? |
| 19:49.24 | valdyn | alleyoopster: malfunctioing drivers are mostly already blacklisted by the common suspend tools like powersave, and will get removed automagically |
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| 19:49.34 | kupesoft | stew: (approx) |
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| 19:49.47 | alleyoopster | valdyn: any up to date docs on suspend2?, my problem seems to be dell laptop and nvidia |
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| 19:50.31 | valdyn | alleyoopster: forums on nvnews.net maybe? far as i know nvidia doesnt support this properly, and its non-free software so uh.. |
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| 19:50.33 | alleyoopster | valdyn: all works super dooper with nv, stick in nvidia and suspends lovely, but try and resume - oh no |
| 19:50.36 | stew | kupesoft: there is no way to tell. a month or two maybe? who knows? |
| 19:50.46 | valdyn | alleyoopster: you'd have to stop X and remove the nvidia module, probably |
| 19:50.58 | wols_ | alleyoopster: maybe try suspend2 (google first) |
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| 19:51.23 | stew | kupesoft: its waiting on the libc6 transition from 2.3 to 2.5, that is major and could take time |
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| 19:51.35 | adaro | Can someone tell me how you can reconfigure apt, i would like to pick a different mirror |
| 19:51.47 | Vasistha | !tell adaro -about sources.list |
| 19:51.50 | stew | adaro: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:51.51 | alleyoopster | valdyn: ok how about leaving nvidia, with nv I get a grey sort of screen on screen blank (lib switch or DPMS off) |
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| 19:52.08 | doudou | Hi i want to watch dvd with mplayer, but it can see dvd reader /dev/hdb as did vlc |
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| 19:52.38 | Vasistha | doudou: and the problem is....? |
| 19:52.58 | adaro | Vasistha, i know you can edit that file by hand |
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| 19:53.19 | stew | adaro: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:53.19 | doudou | Vasistha, something is brokren? |
| 19:53.23 | adaro | stew, etch |
| 19:53.31 | stew | adaro: then that is your only real option |
| 19:55.13 | valdyn | alleyoopster: on resume? |
| 19:55.13 | adaro | why cant you dpkg-reconfigure apt ? |
| 19:55.13 | stew | doudou: if there is, you should tell us what. so far as you have described it, it sounds like everything is working |
| 19:55.13 | Vasistha | adaro: well, there's netselect-apt |
| 19:55.14 | ribasushi | anyone? thunderbird extensions with icedove? |
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| 19:55.15 | valdyn | ribasushi: icedove is thunderbird, just a new name and logo |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | try it and see ? |
| 19:55.16 | ribasushi | valdyn: I get "blabla extension is not compatible with icedove" |
| 19:55.17 | ribasushi | valdyn: on almost anything from addons.mozilla.org |
| 19:55.17 | alleyoopster | valdyn: with nv suspend resume works well, but lid is set to blank screen, or if I xset DPMS force off it blanks but it is more of a waving grey |
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| 19:55.20 | doudou | stew, mplayer does not see dvd, in /media/cdrom, where is my dvd? |
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| 19:55.31 | stew | doudou: do you know which /dev entry your dvd is? /dev/dvd perhaps? /dev/hdb? |
| 19:55.31 | valdyn | alleyoopster: you have to do 2 things to blank, one is to blank, one is to switch the background light off |
| 19:55.31 | doudou | stew, before i used vlc and told him to launch /dev/hdb and it worked well |
| 19:55.36 | doudou | stew, /dev/hdb |
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| 19:55.41 | valdyn | alleyoopster: no idea how to do that with your notebook, i had to use 'radeontool' |
| 19:55.42 | alleyoopster | valdyn: ah ha, didn't know that |
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| 19:55.57 | stew | doudou: pass mplayer "-dvd-device /dev/hdb" |
| 19:55.59 | doudou | stew, but is i give this to mplayers it does not lanch anything |
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| 19:56.18 | adaro | Vasistha, thanks, the netselect-apt was just what i needed |
| 19:56.20 | alleyoopster | valdyn: ok I'll google a bit on backlight, cheers you have been a great help |
| 19:56.27 | doudou | stew, i am using fluxbox, cant pass aguments |
| 19:56.31 | stew | doudou: mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdb dvd://1 |
| 19:56.36 | scruffy | For the life of me I can't think of any way to determine what is doing this after a recent stable upgrade: Apr 17 08:00:18 helios /usr/bin/crontab[29200]: (root) LIST (nobody) |
| 19:56.59 | Vasistha | adaro: be warned: in my experience, it doesn't necessarily find the best mirror. I had better success manually looking through the mirror list and just editing sources.list myself. |
| 19:57.01 | stew | doudou: set it in ~.mplayer/config then |
| 19:57.10 | scruffy | wouldn't that be equivalent to contral -u nobody -l ? |
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| 19:57.19 | scruffy | s/contral/crontab/ |
| 19:57.20 | stew | doudou: does /dev/dvd exist? is it a symlink? to what? |
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| 19:59.06 | doudou | stew, /dev/dvd exist ls -l /dev/dvd -> hdb |
| 19:59.25 | em-dash_ | did something happen to mod_auth_ldap in etch? |
| 19:59.32 | stew | doudou: does "mplayer dvd://1" on the command line play your dvd? |
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| 20:00.47 | stoned | hello debianites |
| 20:00.59 | stoned | !ping |
| 20:00.59 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:01.01 | abrotman | istas ? |
| 20:01.08 | stoned | debianistas? |
| 20:01.13 | stoned | thats god a ring to it too |
| 20:01.19 | stoned | got* |
| 20:01.20 | Azar | misterrrr stonded! |
| 20:01.30 | rahul | dude. man. |
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| 20:01.38 | rahul | debianistas |
| 20:01.46 | dudeman | debian sista's |
| 20:01.47 | Vasistha | !ops EdwardElric has been joining and quitting every minute for the last hour |
| 20:01.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vasistha complains about: EdwardElric has been joining and quitting every minute for the last hour |
| 20:01.49 | Azar | misterrr rahul |
| 20:01.50 | rahul | well, the elite ones among us are debianistas |
| 20:01.57 | rahul | dudeman: heh, not many of those |
| 20:02.04 | stew | Vasistha: /ignore EdwardElric JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 20:02.11 | dudeman | hi stew |
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| 20:02.17 | stew | HI |
| 20:02.29 | abrotman | oh .. it's caps day |
| 20:02.33 | dudeman | thats a HI with some energy |
| 20:02.37 | dudeman | word man |
| 20:02.39 | Vasistha | stew: heh, alright, sorry for the trouble :P |
| 20:02.45 | rahul | HIGH |
| 20:03.09 | kombi | can you dd a complete disk as a full backup while the box is running? |
| 20:03.09 | abrotman | EdwardElric: YOU'RE BROKEN |
| 20:03.09 | doudou | stew, i found preferences in mplayer, told him dvd is /dev/hdb but now it told me error opening selected video_out |
| 20:03.10 | Azar | I almost called the ops on abrotman 3 days ago.. he was in/out in/out.. |
| 20:03.10 | abrotman | kombi: you can ... |
| 20:03.10 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: whatever you say is what you are. |
| 20:03.10 | dudeman | doudou #mplayer |
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| 20:03.13 | dudeman | doudou use the -vo option for video output |
| 20:03.18 | abrotman | Azar: the router was overheating and resetting .. most of the time i didn't even know it was actually completing the IRC login |
| 20:03.43 | Azar | abrotman: aww I thought some ice storm rot your wires |
| 20:03.49 | dudeman | doudou if your on gmplayer go to pref. and vido and select diff video outputs until one works. usually x11 or xv |
| 20:03.52 | scruffy | For the life of me I can't think of any way to determine what is doing this after a recent stable upgrade: Apr 17 08:00:18 helios /usr/bin/crontab[29200]: (root) LIST (nobody). Isn't that equivalent to some program periodically calling `crontab -u nobody -l`? |
| 20:04.12 | abrotman | Azar: ah no |
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| 20:04.18 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
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| 20:04.21 | kombi | abrotman: thanks! I think about doing dist-upgrade on a production box and want to be safe.. |
| 20:04.22 | Azar | scruffy: there is a nobody there, I was baffled at first too |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | Azar: at least .. that's my current analysis .. i haven't actually gotten around to testing it |
| 20:04.47 | abrotman | kombi: uhm .. that was a "You can, but i don't htikn i would" kind of "you can ...." |
| 20:04.51 | Azar | abrotman: I allways thought your stuff are indestructible |
| 20:04.58 | abrotman | Azar: it's not in my possession |
| 20:05.05 | SmallR2002 | currently i have some rather strange stuff to do with gtk which is preventing certain upgrades, is this a known issue? |
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| 20:05.19 | dudeman | SmallR2002 whats going on with it? |
| 20:05.27 | scruffy | Azar: -> uid=99(nobody) gid=99(nobody) groups=99(nobody),1999(vhost) context=user_u:system_r:unconfined_t |
| 20:05.45 | SmallR2002 | some of the gtk themes want to remove a load of other stuff |
| 20:05.46 | scruffy | Azar: sorry, wrong machine, this is the right one -> uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) |
| 20:05.50 | kombi | abrotman: I get it;) How would one best do that kind of thing? |
| 20:05.51 | SmallR2002 | (all gtk dependent) |
| 20:05.51 | dudeman | SmallR2002 you're on stable/testing/unstable? what? |
| 20:05.53 | Azar | scruffy: abrotman or stew.. or others know better what is the purpose of that nobody |
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| 20:06.02 | SmallR2002 | unstable |
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| 20:06.10 | Azar | let's hear what is the "nobody"'s role there |
| 20:06.15 | dudeman | SmallR2002 try aptitude and see what it says. paste the log of apt-get or aptitude on pastebin somewhere |
| 20:06.26 | abrotman | SmallR2002: bts ? |
| 20:06.43 | timmy06 | what is the name of the program that is used to inspect/trace/see what a program is doing in terms of file i/o operations, using libraries, etc etc? |
| 20:06.47 | dudeman | I'm not gonna help you with sid |
| 20:06.55 | dudeman | I have not been on a deb box in a month :D |
| 20:06.58 | scruffy | Azar: user nobody is just a common, unpriviledged user. But I'm tyring to find out what is doing this as root: Apr 17 08:00:18 helios /usr/bin/crontab[29200]: (root) LIST (nobody) |
| 20:07.00 | SmallR2002 | i occasionally drag the odd bit of experimental in |
| 20:07.06 | SmallR2002 | abrotman, bts? |
| 20:07.09 | dudeman | !bts |
| 20:07.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:07.16 | SmallR2002 | ah |
| 20:07.18 | wols_ | timmy06: strace? |
| 20:07.21 | kombi | timmy06: do you mean strace? |
| 20:07.26 | Azar | scruffy: maybe is the way the processes or daemons do stuff? |
| 20:07.40 | timmy06 | yes! thanks! |
| 20:07.46 | doudou | dudeman, thanks i got it now it was xv, default option was a matrox |
| 20:07.55 | dudeman | doudou, you're welcome |
| 20:08.02 | Azar | scruffy: when I look in my /var/auth.log there is a "nobody" that exactly at same time everyday shows up |
| 20:08.04 | scruffy | Azar: I'm quite sure, but I'm trying to verify what is doing it so that I can safely ignore it. |
| 20:08.23 | scruffy | Azar: right, same place |
| 20:08.29 | wols_ | Azar: a cronjob |
| 20:08.31 | phliver | im having this problem getting my debian etch installation use maildir instead of mbox. i remember during installation asking me if i wanted to use the new package that did not have maildir support and i said "yes". but i cannot remember that package now. |
| 20:08.35 | ribasushi | Azar: this particular nobody are the cron jobs at 6:25am |
| 20:08.46 | kombi | how do you guys backup before doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:08.54 | dudeman | I don't |
| 20:09.00 | Azar | scruffy: since I don't have lots of features the only one nobody that might have activity is the mta... which I don't use but is used by system daemons.. |
| 20:09.12 | kombi | lol, that's how used to do it.. |
| 20:09.12 | Azar | ribasushi: YES!!! :) |
| 20:09.17 | scruffy | kombi: I use rsnapshot because it uses hard links |
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| 20:10.27 | Azar | wols_: :) yes |
| 20:10.27 | ribasushi | Azar: every cron job leaves a trace in auth |
| 20:10.28 | dudeman | rahul i heard the 7 train is really shitty on weekdays? is this true? |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | kombi: this backup .. this is for donkeys? |
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| 20:10.28 | Azar | :) yes and I only have one :) |
| 20:10.28 | kombi | scruffy: I'll look that up.. |
| 20:10.29 | rgsteele | scruffy: You can preserver the hard links with the -H option |
| 20:10.32 | scruffy | kombi: I backup to an external hard disk FYI |
| 20:10.43 | dudeman | I love ext. hdds |
| 20:10.52 | scruffy | rgsteele: I just let rsnapshot figure it out |
| 20:10.52 | SmallR2002 | and so... http://rafb.net/p/DhVOVK54.html |
| 20:10.52 | Azar | psss dudeman, I got cron jobs |
| 20:10.57 | dudeman | eh? |
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| 20:10.59 | dudeman | oh |
| 20:11.09 | kombi | abrotman: for scared donkeys that took several days to get postfix/amavis/clamav/saslauth etc. running;) |
| 20:11.10 | Azar | c'mon I didnt say I got std! |
| 20:11.15 | dudeman | heh |
| 20:11.15 | dudeman | brb |
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| 20:12.25 | rahul | dudeman: the 7 train is shitty in general |
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| 20:12.29 | doudou | can i use gmplayer for video streaming from euronews, it ask for real player or windows player, what linux program can do the job? |
| 20:12.30 | abrotman | kombi: backup /etc/ ? |
| 20:12.41 | rahul | dudeman: well, for a time.. they're doing lots of construction |
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| 20:13.01 | dudeman | doudou /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 20:13.02 | dudeman | I think |
| 20:13.18 | dudeman | IIRC it does contain a real decoder |
| 20:13.30 | abrotman | wmp is w32codecs .. i'm not sure you're gonna get anything for RP depending on the age of the encoding |
| 20:13.31 | phliver | Could somebody point me in the right direction to get my debian etch to use Maildir instead of mbox? I installed debian specifically choosing to use a library that does not allow for Maildir support, but I cannot remember what package it was and I need to go back. |
| 20:13.37 | kombi | abrotman: that is done every night, just the enormous amount of packages that apt threatens to install/update/remove (including kernel-image) sends a shiver down the spine.. |
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| 20:13.44 | dudeman | abrotman, oh you're right my bad |
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| 20:13.56 | abrotman | phliver: which MTA ? |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | or SMTP server |
| 20:14.01 | SmallR2002 | dudeman/abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/DhVOVK54.html |
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| 20:14.25 | dudeman | SmallR2002 try aptitude |
| 20:14.29 | abrotman | SmallR2002: that's normal |
| 20:14.30 | Joe7 | Could you tell me pls how to tell lilo to boot a test-image? (and so boot the 'stable' one next time if it failed and hardreseted?) |
| 20:14.47 | phliver | abrotman: im not too familiar with email servers yet, but im using courier-imapd |
| 20:14.51 | abrotman | SmallR2002: at leat i think it is |
| 20:15.00 | abrotman | phliver: that has nothing to do with it .. do you have an external IP ? |
| 20:15.05 | wols_ | phliver: he means your SMTP server. not your mail storage |
| 20:15.10 | abrotman | i meant that! |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | wait .. i even said that |
| 20:15.33 | phliver | abrotman: postfix |
| 20:15.34 | wols_ | !confuse abrotman |
| 20:15.34 | dpkg | Yes, those are their hamster tomorrow, abrotman? wellies of the people's republic of micronesia with extra ham |
| 20:15.44 | abrotman | phliver: a single line |
| 20:15.45 | dudeman | lol |
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| 20:15.57 | SmallR2002 | abrotman, hmmm... not sure i'm a fan of losing oo.o... |
| 20:16.06 | SmallR2002 | dudeman, what'd you want me to do? |
| 20:16.07 | wols_ | phliver: paste your /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 20:16.08 | rahul | SmallR2002: so use aptitude |
| 20:16.12 | dudeman | SmallR2002 so aptitude |
| 20:16.15 | abrotman | SmallR2002: uhm .. i think there's a newer OO |
| 20:16.16 | dudeman | for the umpteenth time |
| 20:16.17 | dudeman | ffs |
| 20:16.20 | rahul | fftw. |
| 20:16.21 | SmallR2002 | yeah, to do precisely what... |
| 20:16.26 | wols_ | phliver: and ther is no such library you speak of |
| 20:16.29 | SmallR2002 | open it and look at it? |
| 20:16.30 | rahul | SmallR2002: to do whatever the hell you want |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | phliver: google is good .. http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#maildir |
| 20:16.40 | rahul | install, upgrade, hold. do it. |
| 20:16.43 | wols_ | phliver: you can also dpkg-reconfigure postfix. I think it asks you |
| 20:16.49 | dudeman | it takes like 3 minutes to download oo.o and install it |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | SmallR2002: you're running sid ? |
| 20:16.56 | dudeman | abrotman mix of sid/exp. |
| 20:17.01 | abrotman | SmallR2002: aptitude install openoffice.org .. see what it says |
| 20:17.14 | rahul | mix of sid and exp and he doesn't know how to use a package manager? |
| 20:17.15 | SmallR2002 | right, so you want me to try to do what i was doing with aptitude? |
| 20:17.17 | phliver | wols_ and abrotman, thanks for your help. I kept googling imap and mbox/maildir. |
| 20:17.23 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
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| 20:17.30 | rahul | !penixstrike SmallR2002 |
| 20:17.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking SmallR2002 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:17.39 | rahul | SmallR2002: you are a tool. |
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| 20:17.51 | SmallR2002 | rahul, thanks |
| 20:17.52 | dudeman | ahh man funniest thing at the bar.. stew asked rahul if he was going to penixstrike him |
| 20:17.53 | dudeman | lol |
| 20:18.02 | rahul | haha yeah |
| 20:18.07 | dudeman | that was awesome |
| 20:18.26 | doudou | i do not undertstand if i can see euronews videos with debian and what is the problem exactly |
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| 20:18.52 | abrotman | see but not hear ? |
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| 20:19.19 | doudou | whatch |
| 20:19.34 | longlongint | /msgdpkg no public key |
| 20:19.34 | abrotman | add a space |
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| 20:19.46 | Azar | rahul, really you date stoned? |
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| 20:20.08 | kombi | apt want's to remove exactly what is returned by uname -r, why in god's name? |
| 20:20.13 | apt | okay, kombi |
| 20:20.13 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:20.13 | dudeman | what!!! |
| 20:20.24 | anirban | any one here running eclipse on AMD64 with WTP plugins |
| 20:20.32 | dudeman | dude... wtf! no! |
| 20:20.36 | SmallR2002 | dudeman, abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/Pk1mR077.html |
| 20:20.40 | dudeman | doudou mplayer CAN play realmedia |
| 20:20.48 | dudeman | doudou search google or try #mplayer |
| 20:20.51 | Azar | dudeman: well no I ment... you go out together ? |
| 20:20.53 | dudeman | you need some plugins/codecs setup |
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| 20:20.58 | abrotman | kombi: do you have the kernel metapackage installed ? |
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| 20:21.11 | kombi | abrotman: let me see.. |
| 20:21.18 | dudeman | Azar we went to the etch release party together and yeah we're gonna be hanging out together too |
| 20:21.25 | Vasistha | !tell anirban -about ask |
| 20:21.25 | dudeman | as often as we can I suppose |
| 20:21.28 | abrotman | bah OO sucks |
| 20:21.40 | Azar | dudeman: man, this is so nice |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | see .. no one likes me |
| 20:22.13 | dudeman | Note: You do NOT need RealPlayer installed to use MPlayer or to watch RealMedia in MPlayer. MPlayer will play older and new Real formats and media if you have the codecs properly set up below. |
| 20:22.22 | dudeman | RealPlayer 10 will play all newer Real media including 10.0 formats perfectly. It should work on Fedora however I do not know about older RH releases. |
| 20:22.41 | dudeman | it was a fedora wiki page but still try #mplayer |
| 20:22.42 | abrotman | this is creepy |
| 20:22.49 | dudeman | i know I've seen realmedia on mplayer myself |
| 20:22.53 | kombi | abrotman: of course they do! dpkg -l | grep kernel-metapackage says no though.. |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | i've tried w32codecs+totem to play RM and it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:23.20 | abrotman | kombi: dpkg -l kernel-image* |
| 20:23.29 | kombi | did, still |
| 20:23.39 | dudeman | abrotman I dunno about totem as I never use it |
| 20:23.43 | abrotman | how amny did it return ? |
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| 20:23.56 | dudeman | abrotman look at the package, maybe it does contain a real decoder lib |
| 20:23.59 | dudeman | I can't recall |
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| 20:24.03 | abrotman | code? it's a binary blob |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | w32codecs i mean |
| 20:24.11 | BUMBACL0T | Apr 16 22:26:07 haterproof sshd[5585]: Accepted password for vroque1989 from 68.48.149.232 port 1070 ssh2 |
| 20:24.15 | dudeman | I did't say code |
| 20:24.16 | kombi | some three images, kernel-headers, iptables, module-init-tools |
| 20:24.17 | dudeman | I said package |
| 20:24.21 | BUMBACL0T | wtf is this? |
| 20:24.23 | abrotman | what would i get out of that ? |
| 20:24.34 | BUMBACL0T | my ip isn't 68.48.149.232 |
| 20:24.35 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: someone ssh'ed into the box |
| 20:24.39 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: does your computer have a user named vroque1989? |
| 20:24.42 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, i know |
| 20:24.46 | dudeman | no like list the files in w32codec maybe it does contain a real codec |
| 20:24.59 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yes, and don't even try |
| 20:25.02 | anirban | Actually my problem is I installed eclipse with Callistro plugins (including WTP) and |
| 20:25.03 | abrotman | don't care that much .. RM and WMP should both die :) |
| 20:25.06 | dudeman | anyway, i know mplayer can play real media, I just can't recll how |
| 20:25.10 | dudeman | abrotman I couldn't agree more |
| 20:25.28 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: And you haven't sshed in from a comcast IP address in Virginia? |
| 20:25.32 | BUMBACL0T | i mean, i never logged in using this ip |
| 20:25.37 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, no |
| 20:25.40 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: How good is your password? |
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| 20:25.46 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, good enough |
| 20:25.48 | anirban | when ever I try to create a Dynamic Web project a dialog popups to ask me to agree a license but in the dialong only the dis agree button remain active |
| 20:25.53 | BUMBACL0T | seriously |
| 20:25.59 | anirban | the licese opens up in fire fox |
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| 20:26.20 | Vasistha | !tell anirban -about enter |
| 20:26.20 | kombi | abrotman: seems nothing metapackage on this box, why were you asking? |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | kombi: because it should be installed |
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| 20:26.35 | kombi | hmm.. |
| 20:26.39 | abrotman | kombi: what kernel do you have installed ? |
| 20:26.40 | dudeman | anirban maybe you have to scroll down and the text, they probably actually want you to read the whole thing before agree becomes active |
| 20:26.42 | dudeman | perhaps |
| 20:26.56 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: good enough like foobar739 or like a$#2k234$@!% ? |
| 20:27.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | kombi: uname -r |
| 20:27.02 | kombi | abrotman: 2.6.8-amd64-smp |
| 20:27.02 | stew | BUMBACL0T: it comes up as Greenbelt, MD, USA ; do you know anyone from there? |
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| 20:27.12 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: because it sure sounds like someone guessed it |
| 20:27.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | 2.6.8? |
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| 20:27.20 | anirban | there is no scroll bar in the browser window |
| 20:27.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's ancient... :/ |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: sarge ? |
| 20:27.23 | \amethyst | unless you have "friends" who know your password |
| 20:27.24 | BUMBACL0T | stew, no |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: hush |
| 20:27.29 | kombi | 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp I mean |
| 20:27.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: :( |
| 20:27.35 | abrotman | kombi: moment |
| 20:27.42 | anirban | I had the same probelm in SuSe 10.1 box |
| 20:27.46 | BUMBACL0T | nobody knows my password, and this is a fresh install of etch |
| 20:27.58 | stew | BUMBACL0T: is vroque1989 a user you were expecting to exist on your box? |
| 20:28.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | BUMBACL0T: "password"? |
| 20:28.07 | BUMBACL0T | stew, yeah |
| 20:28.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | BUMBACL0T: :) |
| 20:28.14 | BUMBACL0T | no |
| 20:28.15 | abrotman | kombi: are you running pure64 or 32bit ? |
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| 20:28.30 | rahul | wtf. hotplug loaded all these damn modules |
| 20:28.30 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: 2.6.8 is sarge's 2.6 kernel. etch was only released a couple weeks ago, so there are still lots of sarge boxes running 2.6.8 |
| 20:28.40 | kombi | abrotman: 32 actually, I think |
| 20:28.45 | rahul | is module autoloading considered taboo these days? |
| 20:28.46 | abrotman | i heard 2.6.20.4 sends your files to MS |
| 20:28.47 | dudeman | rahul http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/c/cc/Weedpile.jpg |
| 20:28.59 | abrotman | kombi: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-latest-2.6-amd64/kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp_103sarge1_i386.deb .. install that |
| 20:29.03 | dudeman | oh I forgot to append /msg |
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| 20:29.20 | dudeman | prepend |
| 20:29.20 | BUMBACL0T | is this how etch work? no offense, and plus i have DenyHosts installed so guessers isn't going anything |
| 20:29.21 | abrotman | kombi: after you get it .. dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 20:29.21 | \amethyst | dudeman: heh |
| 20:29.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: I see. |
| 20:29.21 | dudeman | :D |
| 20:29.21 | BUMBACL0T | anywhere* |
| 20:29.21 | rahul | heh |
| 20:29.26 | timmy06 | What would cause strace to show: access("./file.txt", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) ------- However, if I type: ls ./file.txt, it shows the file is there. What could be going on? |
| 20:29.26 | \amethyst | dudeman: that's quite the quantity |
| 20:29.45 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: are there any records in the logs of failed attempts before the successful one? |
| 20:29.45 | abrotman | timmy06: is the process running in that dir ? |
| 20:29.47 | rahul | dude |
| 20:29.51 | rahul | whoa |
| 20:29.55 | rahul | call me keanu |
| 20:29.56 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: ping 68.48.149.232 |
| 20:30.10 | timmy06 | abrotman: not 100% sure... i definitely start the command from that dir |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | timmy06: just a thought .. |
| 20:30.22 | rahul | damn it. and alsa's fucked up |
| 20:30.22 | *** part/#debian Vasistha (n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha) |
| 20:30.31 | stew | BUMBACL0T: it doesn't really matter how they got in. you now have a compromised box. your best course of action now is to reinstall from trusted media |
| 20:30.38 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: dont really believe that you really know that that is not an ip of yours |
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| 20:31.07 | timmy06 | chdir("/usr/local/bin") |
| 20:31.08 | dudeman | yeh, its some mass loads of tree climbing equipment |
| 20:31.08 | scruffy | Dark_Apostrophe: I'd have 2.6.20.4 except that buggy gcc in testing won't build it |
| 20:31.08 | rahul | oh fuck, devfs is gone |
| 20:31.08 | timmy06 | I think I solved my problem. Thanks :) |
| 20:31.13 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: did you ssh in at all last night? |
| 20:31.13 | onix | do i have to run smth each time i change menu.lst ? |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | rahul: welcome to the new century |
| 20:31.18 | rahul | no |
| 20:31.19 | rahul | shit. |
| 20:31.23 | stoned | devfs is like the 1800s man |
| 20:31.28 | rahul | no wonder nothing works |
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| 20:31.34 | rahul | how do I get devfs back? |
| 20:31.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | scruffy: Hmm... I use testing, and it works fine here. |
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| 20:31.38 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, i always ssh from my windows to my debian |
| 20:31.50 | BUMBACL0T | its prolly my windows? |
| 20:31.50 | BUMBACL0T | lo |
| 20:31.51 | BUMBACL0T | l |
| 20:31.55 | jelly | rahul: use a kernel <= 2.6.12 I think |
| 20:32.03 | rahul | fucking hell |
| 20:32.04 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: ssh in over a LAN? |
| 20:32.11 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yeah |
| 20:32.11 | rahul | why does linux have to start sucking now? |
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| 20:32.32 | jelly | rahul: I hear it was deprecated for some time |
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| 20:32.34 | abrotman | rahul: i heard #openbsd has openings for assholes .. maybe you should apply ... |
| 20:34.30 | stoned | burn! |
| 20:34.30 | valdyn | rahul: devs never was good, why would you need it? |
| 20:34.30 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: then that's not it, unless someone has spoofed your LAN |
| 20:34.30 | stoned | thats a burn |
| 20:34.30 | stoned | lol |
| 20:34.31 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: is this wireless or eth? |
| 20:34.31 | scruffy | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe something changed since I tried two weeks ago. |
| 20:34.32 | valdyn | s/devs/devfs( |
| 20:34.32 | rahul | valdyn: better than ANY other option |
| 20:34.32 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, i run both wireless and wired |
| 20:34.32 | rahul | never had a problem with devfs. all I hear is problems with this retarded udev thing |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | rahul: udev is fine now |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | mostly :) |
| 20:34.32 | stoned | what! |
| 20:34.32 | BUMBACL0T | but i think ill just block this fuckin ip and keep my eyes on log |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | good plan |
| 20:34.33 | BUMBACL0T | what yall think? |
| 20:34.33 | rahul | abrotman: I guess that's why it's improper to have module autoloading? |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | dynamic ips never change |
| 20:34.33 | jelly | rahul: udev kinda sucks but it is THE one true way |
| 20:34.33 | rahul | because udev is shit? |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | rahul: i do it! |
| 20:34.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | scruffy: Linux kobra 2.6.20.4-kobra #1 SMP Thu Mar 29 00:33:45 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:34.33 | stew | BUMBACL0T: if you really think someone got in that shouldn't have, you should reinstall it |
| 20:34.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | scruffy: That's when I built mine... :/ |
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| 20:34.34 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: does this user have sudo access? |
| 20:34.34 | rahul | udev can't intecept inode access and load a module, tho |
| 20:34.34 | valdyn | rahul: right |
| 20:34.34 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yes, its one of my sudoers |
| 20:34.34 | rahul | so do I need to manually configure all my autoloads? |
| 20:34.34 | jelly | rahul: no, it can't. I live without it |
| 20:34.35 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: then reinstalling from trusted media is the only way to be sure |
| 20:34.35 | valdyn | rahul: rahul but your kernel can |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | and should! |
| 20:34.41 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: they could have installed a backdoor quite easily |
| 20:34.48 | rahul | valdyn: which is why devfs actually WORKED |
| 20:34.58 | valdyn | rahul: udev does _not_ remove this feature |
| 20:35.00 | stoned | man they both "work" |
| 20:35.02 | rahul | now to find out why my box rebooted |
| 20:35.03 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: also, don't reuse that password |
| 20:35.05 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, what you mean? i got my iso from one of debian mirrors |
| 20:35.07 | valdyn | rahul: udev has nothing to do with this feature |
| 20:35.16 | rahul | valdyn: sure it does |
| 20:35.22 | valdyn | rahul: no |
| 20:35.22 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: reinstall from that, then |
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| 20:35.28 | scruffy | Dark_Apostrophe: hang on a sec, I'll see if it bombs again |
| 20:35.31 | rahul | oh, damn, and do I get bus-based device names? |
| 20:35.34 | jelly | rahul: usually kernel detects a fresh newly attached device, and lets udev handle creation of /dev entries and other junk to make the device work |
| 20:35.39 | rahul | or are my devices going to be randomly named? |
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| 20:35.49 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: quick check... has that user's password changed? |
| 20:35.51 | rahul | jelly: that's exactly what I don't want |
| 20:35.51 | BUMBACL0T | im wondering why that ip is from Virginia, because im from VA too |
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| 20:36.08 | valdyn | rahul: they are named after whatever udev is configured to name them, even devs name fuckup is possible |
| 20:36.09 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, no, hackers don't change user's password, you should know that |
| 20:36.12 | stoned | rahul I know some folk that just went back to devfs for your same reasons |
| 20:36.19 | stoned | rahul nothing is stopping you :) |
| 20:36.20 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: it's a comcast address |
| 20:36.20 | rahul | wtf |
| 20:36.58 | abrotman | rahul: devfs is deprecated .. get used to it |
| 20:36.58 | jelly | rahul: what sort of hotpluggable devices do you have? |
| 20:36.58 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, i know, but we're both from VA |
| 20:36.59 | rahul | jelly: usb |
| 20:36.59 | jelly | rahul: I mean, what do you attach there? |
| 20:37.00 | rahul | jelly: I don't want to have modules for other shit loaded for no reason |
| 20:37.06 | rahul | jelly: not much, actually |
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| 20:37.14 | jelly | rahul: so what's the problem? |
| 20:37.17 | rahul | I'm more concerned about my scsi devices |
| 20:37.22 | rahul | and wtf, parport loaded? |
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| 20:37.28 | valdyn | rahul: so create the device files, the _only_ thing new there is that you do that in the config files /etc/udev |
| 20:37.36 | BUMBACL0T | the ip is not even responding when you ping it |
| 20:37.40 | rahul | there's no point to a modular kernel any more, is there? |
| 20:37.54 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: did you give your mom your password? |
| 20:37.55 | rahul | valdyn: I never created device files with devfs |
| 20:37.57 | \amethyst | rahul: right... |
| 20:38.04 | rahul | idiots. |
| 20:38.07 | scruffy | Dark_Apostrophe: *sigh* it would be compiling OK now, wouldn't it.. |
| 20:38.13 | abrotman | rahul: i've never created one with udev .. |
| 20:38.14 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, funny |
| 20:38.22 | abrotman | scruffy: why are you compiling ? |
| 20:38.25 | rahul | so what are my drives named now? |
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| 20:38.30 | valdyn | !troll |
| 20:38.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 20:38.33 | jelly | rahul: you can blacklist the junk hardware you have but don't use. |
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| 20:38.45 | rahul | jelly: I want to be able to use it on demand |
| 20:38.49 | \amethyst | rahul: Unless you set up persistent naming rules, they will be named in the order they are discovered |
| 20:38.50 | scruffy | abrotman: why am I compiling a kernel? |
| 20:38.55 | abrotman | scruffy: i thought you were |
| 20:47.07 | BUMBACL0T | well, the ip is blocked and ill keep an eye on 68.* |
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| 20:47.07 | rahul | er, how do I enable udev, btw? |
| 20:47.07 | scruffy | abrotman: who's on first? :D |
| 20:47.07 | jelly | rahul: are you going to use parport _ever_? |
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| 20:47.07 | rahul | jelly: dunnno :P |
| 20:47.07 | rahul | I just have the module there in case |
| 20:47.07 | scruffy | abrotman: long story.. I don't usually compile kernels anymore. |
| 20:47.08 | Ankman | http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg gives a 404 |
| 20:47.08 | \amethyst | rahul: is there a problem with loading the parport module? |
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| 20:47.08 | abrotman | good plan :) |
| 20:47.08 | rahul | \amethyst: I don't usually need it |
| 20:47.08 | stoned | !luhar |
| 20:47.08 | dpkg | Luhar, son of Mogar, son of Wintar, daughter of Gabar, bastard of Dibar. It is rumored that Luhar's great-great-great-(*20) grandson, Rahul son of none, uses Lindows. |
| 20:47.08 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me to get Alt+F2 to work? it seems to be mapped to Q for some reason |
| 20:47.08 | rahul | I don't want to have to recompile and reboot just to use a parport device, tho |
| 20:47.08 | rahul | I might as well fucking use windows now |
| 20:47.09 | abrotman | rahul: use udev god damn it |
| 20:47.09 | jelly | rahul: installing it makes it work. ;-) |
| 20:47.09 | jelly | scruffy: third base? |
| 20:47.09 | rahul | abrotman: how? |
| 20:47.09 | abrotman | quit fucking whining |
| 20:47.09 | stoned | be nice |
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| 20:47.09 | abrotman | it's not the worst thing in the world |
| 20:47.09 | pro | evening all, |
| 20:47.09 | jelly | rahul: apt-get install udev |
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| 20:47.10 | \amethyst | rahul: is there a problem having the 41K parport module loaded all the time? |
| 20:47.10 | rahul | abrotman: maybe, but it doesn't seem better than windows |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | \amethyst: maybe he only has 4MB of RAM ? |
| 20:47.10 | rahul | I need to reboot to use a parallel port |
| 20:47.11 | \amethyst | rahul: why do you need to reboot? |
| 20:47.11 | rahul | I'm already strapped for ram |
| 20:47.11 | valdyn | rahul: no you dont |
| 20:47.12 | scruffy | abrotman: two weeks ago I was attempting to compile a kernel for a laptop that needed preempt disabled, and at the time gcc4 had a bug that wouldn't build any kernels. I got the laptop working by putting ndiswrapper packages on hold so that it wouldn't hose wireless after upgrading to etch. |
| 20:47.12 | stoned | rahul I told you I can give you some ddr dimms |
| 20:47.12 | abrotman | rahul: stop using KDE ? :) |
| 20:47.12 | pro | does anyone know where i can find a server to use that i can install xorg on sarge ? ( while i wait for the etch dvd's ) ? |
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| 20:47.12 | rahul | \amethyst: so I can use my newly-compiled kernel that contains support for the devices I just plugged in |
| 20:47.12 | rahul | stoned: yeah, blah |
| 20:47.12 | stoned | abrotman he dosn't use kde |
| 20:47.13 | rahul | abrotman: I don't |
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| 20:47.13 | stoned | he uses a nasty looking desktop |
| 20:47.13 | stoned | very ugly |
| 20:47.13 | rahul | it's all assbadger |
| 20:47.13 | jelly | rahul: dude, you're making a problem where there is none. Sure it's different from devfs, but it works, and it works decently. |
| 20:47.14 | \amethyst | rahul: Ah, so the 41K for the device driver does matter? |
| 20:47.14 | wintix | pro: there are etch dvds. |
| 20:47.14 | rahul | \amethyst: in addition to all the other crap |
| 20:47.15 | pro | wintix, yes, but i have to get them from overseas, my limit is 3Gb a month on my DSL |
| 20:47.15 | rahul | sg? st? emu10k1_gp? lp? tcp_diag? |
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| 20:47.16 | stoned | rahul I am looking at a 256mb dimm ddr 266mhz right now. You can have it if you want |
| 20:47.16 | kombi | abrotman: did as you said, now apt wants to remove that kernel too.. |
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| 20:47.16 | rahul | how do I get module autoloading to work with udev? |
| 20:47.21 | rahul | haha, floppy |
| 20:47.21 | pro | all i want is a server i can apt-get install xorg while i use sarge |
| 20:47.21 | \amethyst | rahul: module autoloading when? |
| 20:47.21 | wintix | pro: i see. so use netinstall? |
| 20:47.22 | stoned | floppy? |
| 20:47.22 | stew | rahul: if there are modules that you want loaded, just list them in /etc/modules |
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| 20:47.22 | rahul | why the fuck did it load floppy.ko when I don't have a floppy drive? |
| 20:47.22 | rahul | stew: I want them autoloaded |
| 20:47.22 | pro | wintix, i want to, but thats still a lot to download |
| 20:47.23 | rahul | like what used to work since kernel 2.0, wtf. |
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| 20:47.23 | stoned | pro sarge or stable? etch is stable now and contains xorg |
| 20:47.23 | pro | oh well, i'll find one |
| 20:47.23 | valdyn | rahul: udev does not change on demand loading at all |
| 20:47.23 | pro | stoned, sarge |
| 20:47.24 | pro | 3.1 |
| 20:47.24 | valdyn | rahul: device nodes existing or not does |
| 20:47.24 | clars | to enble an virtuel script in /etc/apache2/sites-avalebel I can "a2enble" but how do I disable? |
| 20:47.24 | rahul | valdyn: it just makes you manually config it? |
| 20:47.25 | stoned | pro what are you trying to do, I missed original question |
| 20:47.25 | rahul | exactly, so it's manual |
| 20:47.26 | stew | its not often you see someone complaining that udev doesn't do enough automatically, its usually doing too much :) |
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| 20:47.26 | stew | rahul: /etc/modules is the place to put modules you want auto-loaded |
| 20:47.26 | valdyn | rahul: it does not place those device nodes unless adjust its configuration |
| 20:47.26 | pro | stoned, looking for an apt source i can apt-get install xorg on sarge |
| 20:47.26 | wintix | pro: well. depends on what you actually need. ~150MB for the netinstall cd andmaybe again ~250MB-500MB of applications. |
| 20:47.26 | rahul | stew: well, buttplug went and did all kinds of shit automatically |
| 20:47.27 | mirak | what is the best between proftpd and wuftpd ? |
| 20:47.27 | rahul | stew: no, that will load on boot |
| 20:47.27 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:47.27 | rahul | stew: which is what buttplug does |
| 20:47.27 | stew | rahul: yes, automatically |
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| 20:47.27 | BUMBACL0T | clars, try #apache |
| 20:47.27 | jelly | mirak: vsftpd :-) |
| 20:47.28 | stoned | pro check on backports.org I think xorg was backported for sarge |
| 20:47.28 | stoned | wasn't it guys? |
| 20:47.28 | stoned | !backports |
| 20:47.28 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 20:47.28 | stew | 6.9 was |
| 20:47.28 | \amethyst | rahul: you could write something using inotify, shouldn't be too difficult |
| 20:47.28 | rahul | valdyn: exactly, so I need to manually invoke automatic behavior? |
| 20:47.28 | pro | wintix, then i need all the e17 CVS, and all the kernel source, and lots of other stuff |
| 20:47.29 | rahul | oh fucking hell |
| 20:47.29 | pro | stoned, thank you |
| 20:47.29 | stoned | sure |
| 20:47.29 | rahul | I have code to write for work, bleh |
| 20:47.29 | wintix | pro: hmk. i see your point. 3G/month suck.. |
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| 20:47.30 | rahul | and I have to figure why the fuck my WM crashing caused X to blow up, caused ctrl-sysrq-K to reboot the machine |
| 20:47.30 | stoned | rahul I have to take a pee test |
| 20:47.30 | stoned | rahul insanity... |
| 20:47.31 | pro | wintix, yip. and my GF is a deviantart addict, so she uses about 1gb a month, even more |
| 20:47.31 | rahul | stoned: for macy's? |
| 20:47.31 | stoned | i know man, innit stupid |
| 20:47.31 | rahul | haha |
| 20:47.31 | abrotman | kombi: eh ? what? |
| 20:47.31 | abrotman | kombi: paste the message |
| 20:47.31 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:47.31 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 20:47.33 | ringo999 | hi, after installing tomcat5.5 with apache2 through aptitude, i get the following message upon bootup: tomcat5.5/usr/sbin/apache is not executible, not starting/reloading... failed! <- how to conquer this issue? |
| 20:47.33 | wintix | rahul: can you quit the fuck stuff? |
| 20:47.33 | abrotman | bah .. use rafb |
| 20:47.33 | \amethyst | rahul: from the faq: "If you don't want to keep all drivers for your hardware in memory, then use something else to manage your modules (scripts, modules.conf, etc.) This is not a task for udev." |
| 20:47.33 | stoned | fuck stuff? |
| 20:47.33 | abrotman | stoned: using the word ? |
| 20:47.34 | wintix | yes. |
| 20:47.34 | stoned | rahul http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ |
| 20:47.34 | \amethyst | rahul: you can have udev ignore events using OPTIONS="ignore_device" |
| 20:47.34 | stoned | abrotman oh |
| 20:47.36 | \amethyst | rahul: then you can load the modules by hand |
| 20:47.36 | stoned | fuck fuckity fuck. I'm done. |
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| 20:47.51 | rahul | stoned: I can't run assbadger because my alsa nodes are gone |
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| 20:47.59 | stoned | life's a bitch dude |
| 20:48.00 | rahul | well, this is why we have links |
| 20:48.08 | madclicker | need to edit known_hosts file, what is the gpg command for it? |
| 20:48.11 | ReinH | anyone familiar with setting up an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG? I've installed the ipw3945-modules-2.6-486 module |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | kombi: basically. . you need to make sure you have a kernel installed *before* you reboot |
| 20:48.21 | ReinH | Not sure where to go from here |
| 20:48.24 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 20:48.25 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 20:48.38 | ReinH | ah |
| 20:48.55 | stoned | you know sometimes auto-install doesn't load the modules and sometimes it will auto modprobe |
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| 20:48.59 | stoned | is this normal? |
| 20:49.01 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 20:49.08 | stoned | im speaking of in terms of sid only |
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| 20:49.29 | stoned | mabe it was buggy when I remember i dunno |
| 20:49.30 | \amethyst | rahul: the basic model is: the kernel finds a piece of hardware, and tells udev about it. udev loads the module and creates device nodes. |
| 20:51.07 | rysiek|pl | anybody here fancy helping with an unionfs being exported through nfs? I keep getting "Permission denied" on the nfs-client side |
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| 20:51.08 | coldsteal | im trying to install jre so i can view java applets |
| 20:51.08 | arencinosa | hi to all |
| 20:51.08 | stoned | !tel coldsteal -about java |
| 20:51.08 | rahul | \amethyst: so I can't have that happen for hotpluggable devices and have modules autoloaded for other devices? |
| 20:51.09 | arencinosa | I have a netfilter problem: |
| 20:51.09 | stoned | !tell coldsteal -about java |
| 20:51.09 | arencinosa | I did `iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -m layer --l7proto r --l7proto http -j MARK --set-mark 9' |
| 20:51.09 | valdyn | stoned: i dont think a-i has a thing to do with this, the postinst script of the package might |
| 20:51.09 | madclicker | hi, how can one edit an encrypted known_hosts file? |
| 20:51.09 | \amethyst | rahul: Not without writing something to do the autoloading |
| 20:51.09 | clars | after i apt-get install apache2-doc - where do I find the documentation then? |
| 20:51.10 | stoned | ColdFyre you are on stable or what? |
| 20:51.10 | rahul | \amethyst: so they deleted these features? |
| 20:51.10 | \amethyst | rahul: Also, those devices usually won't exist unless you make them statically |
| 20:51.10 | stoned | well sarge or non sarge |
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| 20:51.11 | rahul | grrr |
| 20:51.11 | coldsteal | stoned: thats not working |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | clars: /usr/share/doc/apache2/ ? |
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| 20:51.11 | clars | valdyn, thanks |
| 20:51.11 | rahul | kernel of arseability. |
| 20:51.13 | stoned | coldsteal on etch and up it should be sun java jre something. Just search for it. apt-cache search sun|grep jre |
| 20:51.16 | arencinosa | I have a netfilter problem: |
| 20:51.18 | arencinosa | I did `iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -m layer --l7proto r --l7proto http -j MARK --set-mark 9' |
| 20:51.20 | arencinosa | and then I got `iptables v1.3.7: Couldn't load match `layer':/usr/local/lib/iptables/libipt_layer.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' |
| 20:51.36 | arencinosa | how can I get the .so file? |
| 20:51.40 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.46 | kombi | what is the last working pastbin? |
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| 20:51.57 | valdyn | rahul: you can do all of this, you can blacklist modules so they are not loaded based on found devices |
| 20:51.57 | wintix | kombi: pastebin.ca ? |
| 20:52.05 | \amethyst | arencinosa: is this the debian iptables? |
| 20:52.06 | stoned | !paster |
| 20:52.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:52.08 | kombi | that was it! thanks |
| 20:52.10 | stoned | much faster than pastebin |
| 20:52.11 | valdyn | rahul: and still be loaded on inode access |
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| 20:52.28 | rahul | valdyn: but I need to manually configure automatic loading? |
| 20:52.34 | \amethyst | valdyn: how do you have the module still load on inode access? |
| 20:52.35 | rahul | sed: can't read /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules: No such file or directory |
| 20:52.39 | valdyn | rahul: silly to bother though, since you want to get work done.. |
| 20:52.46 | rahul | hrm, where was the fix for that? |
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| 20:53.01 | BUMBACL0T | :0 is X, right? |
| 20:53.02 | kombi | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/445385 |
| 20:53.03 | rahul | valdyn: yes, I can't deal with fixing the kernel of arseability right now |
| 20:53.09 | stoned | BUMBACL0T usually yes |
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| 20:53.21 | wintix | stoned: the pastebot seemd to be down. |
| 20:53.25 | rahul | BUMBACL0T: :0 is used as a name for an X display, sometimes |
| 20:53.27 | stoned | really? |
| 20:53.28 | wintix | s/seemd/seems/ |
| 20:53.32 | Schoolisker | ... |
| 20:53.38 | Vasistha | wintix: try rafb.net/paste or pastebin.ca |
| 20:53.39 | Schoolisker | cdrecord just vanished out of my system... |
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| 20:53.57 | stoned | stew who manages the channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:53.57 | wintix | Vasistha: i know. i was trying to get to know the pastebot :) |
| 20:54.00 | \amethyst | Schoolisker: wodim |
| 20:54.01 | abrotman | kombi: okay .. you're fine .. just do the dist upgrade and make sure the kernel exists before you reboot |
| 20:54.01 | ReinH | abrotman: (or anyone else) After I compile and configure the module, what's next? iwconfig doesn't list any wireless extensions |
| 20:54.04 | stew | stoned: don |
| 20:54.06 | rahul | damn it |
| 20:54.08 | DanC | hmm... I just updated a couple hundred packages to current sid, and now python-dbus is horked... there's no python2.5 dbus module... checking bugs.. |
| 20:54.11 | rahul | alsamixer lost its settings |
| 20:54.14 | Schoolisker | \amethyst: what's wodim? |
| 20:54.14 | ReinH | (this is for ipw3945) |
| 20:54.15 | rahul | oh, I just need to start it |
| 20:54.24 | \amethyst | Schoolisker: the new cdrecord |
| 20:54.26 | Vasistha | wintix: heh... yeah, channels.debian.net/paste has been down I think for a couple days :P |
| 20:54.27 | stew | Schoolisker: /msg dpkg wodim |
| 20:54.33 | stoned | dondelelcaro !paster pastebot (channels.debian.net/paste) is down. |
| 20:54.35 | coldsteal | how do i know im im using non-free |
| 20:54.36 | Schoolisker | what's wrong with the old one? |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | ReinH: load the module ? |
| 20:54.47 | DanC | #409754: python-dbus: should provide python2.5-dbus |
| 20:54.48 | \amethyst | Schoolisker: the author's a dick |
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| 20:55.00 | \amethyst | (basically) |
| 20:55.00 | Vasistha | coldsteal: well, you can install vrms ;-) |
| 20:55.02 | kombi | thanks abrotman, will endeavour |
| 20:55.03 | stew | Schoolisker: it was non-free and the author was threatening lawsuits on the debian maintainers or seemingly anyone who had anything to do with touching his software |
| 20:55.17 | rysiek|pl | so, anybody with the unionfs-exported-through-nfs thingy? |
| 20:55.20 | Schoolisker | REally? So how come it's still in the repo? |
| 20:55.25 | rysiek|pl | google doesn't help much here |
| 20:55.27 | stoned | !unionfs |
| 20:55.30 | stoned | !ufs |
| 20:55.30 | dpkg | ufs is, like, the amazing fs that the enlightened ones use, the file system with stable code, softupdates and other such magic that makes fsck at boot a thing of the past, and ext2fs wince, or all that is a bunch of crap. All the BSDs can be crashed using softupdates, or crashing is only currently... |
| 20:55.34 | \amethyst | Schoolisker: cdrecord is now a transition package to wodim |
| 20:55.40 | stoned | time for google |
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| 20:55.48 | Schoolisker | Anyway, the weird thing is that it was on my system when I left home. Do you think the cdrecord guy came by and removed it? |
| 20:56.15 | \amethyst | Schoolisker: you haven't upgraded packages or anything? |
| 20:56.20 | Schoolisker | Nope |
| 20:56.23 | rahul | holy crap. and the parport driver is a mess |
| 20:56.25 | madclicker | hi, how can one edit an encrypted ssh/.known_hosts file? |
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| 20:56.29 | rysiek|pl | stoned: so what are you saying? "don't use unionfs"? |
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| 20:56.35 | rahul | Apr 17 16:26:09 localhost kernel: [ 169.692738] parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 20:56.40 | \amethyst | madclicker: edit to do what? |
| 20:56.41 | stew | madclicker: to remove an entry? |
| 20:56.52 | ReinH | abrotman: please pretend for a moment that I don't know how to do that. Sorry to bother you. |
| 20:56.53 | Schoolisker | anyway, I'm going to reinstall my system now, C'ya |
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| 20:57.06 | wintix | ReinH: modprobe ipw3945 |
| 20:57.29 | stoned | rysiek|pl no I'm saying I don't know what it is. I'm on unionfs's website right now trying to find out and learn |
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| 20:57.36 | ReinH | wintix: ty |
| 20:57.44 | stoned | rysiek|pl I had never heard of it before |
| 20:57.52 | rysiek|pl | stoned: ah, ok |
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| 20:58.09 | rysiek|pl | stoned: msg from dpkg was a bit unintelligible for me |
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| 20:58.19 | stoned | rysiek|pl me too, hence google |
| 20:58.21 | stoned | :) |
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| 20:59.04 | kinections | i just installed mod_ssl on apache1 and it seems like https is working. However, http seems to have died... in the log it complains about 'child pid 4393 exit signal Semengation fault (11)'... |
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| 20:59.22 | BUMBACL0T | stew, i also checked .bash_history and didn't see anything that i didn't do |
| 20:59.31 | kinections | anybody know what's going on? |
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| 21:00.22 | stew | BUMBACL0T: then either you don't realize it is actually you. or its someone that is smart enough to not leak into .bash_history (which is trivial) |
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| 21:00.32 | stoned | dpkg unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 21:00.32 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 21:00.44 | rahul | this radio station is playing "Pisses Me Off" |
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| 21:00.48 | rahul | so apropos! |
| 21:00.49 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:01.09 | rahul | by chris caffery, guitarist for doro |
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| 21:01.31 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Which IM client supports voice? Gaim doesn't, right? thanks |
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| 21:01.38 | stoned | kopete? maybe |
| 21:01.38 | stoned | no clue |
| 21:01.53 | K_Dallas | stoned, ok, i will look into it, thanks |
| 21:02.00 | K_Dallas | does it need KDE libraries ? |
| 21:02.12 | wintix | K_Dallas: it starts with a k.. |
| 21:02.19 | K_Dallas | that was my guess ;) |
| 21:02.26 | K_Dallas | yes it does |
| 21:02.30 | stoned | i don't think any linux IM app supports voice |
| 21:02.38 | K_Dallas | oh! that is sad |
| 21:02.38 | stoned | afaik, then again as far as i know is quite limited |
| 21:02.43 | Coweater | ekiga |
| 21:02.45 | stoned | try google |
| 21:02.47 | rysiek|pl | wengophon |
| 21:02.52 | rysiek|pl | or openwengo ;) |
| 21:03.00 | stoned | thats just gnomemeeting innit? |
| 21:03.00 | chemist | skype |
| 21:03.12 | rahul | apt-cache search h.232 or whatever? |
| 21:03.14 | rysiek|pl | stoned: ekiga is, yeah |
| 21:03.16 | stoned | ahh yeah, skype, again qt based |
| 21:03.24 | rahul | h.323 |
| 21:03.25 | stoned | so you'll some kde libs still |
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| 21:03.28 | ringo999 | ok, i figured its an apache2 problem, installed it using apttude, it failes to run at boot /usr/sbin/apache is not executable...how to fix that? |
| 21:03.36 | rysiek|pl | stoned: not for ekiga, AFAIK |
| 21:03.39 | rahul | there's a half dozen voice conf apps for linux |
| 21:03.48 | stoned | rysiek|pl I meant for skype |
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| 21:04.01 | rysiek|pl | aye |
| 21:04.04 | K_Dallas | hmm! it seems google talk supports voice and is available for linux ;) gotta read more |
| 21:04.17 | rahul | some are answering machines or conference bridges, etc... |
| 21:04.22 | stoned | asterisk + soft phones? |
| 21:04.23 | stoned | :D |
| 21:04.24 | wintix | and it has jabber or something built in. |
| 21:04.31 | wintix | the google stuff. |
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| 21:05.10 | K_Dallas | oh! google talk just for windoes |
| 21:05.13 | K_Dallas | +w |
| 21:05.38 | rahul | this new IO scheduler ROCKS |
| 21:05.41 | rahul | wow |
| 21:05.42 | stoned | K_Dallas you just want IM+voice or a particular IM network + voice? |
| 21:05.54 | zarephath | Hi all...where are location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 21:05.54 | zarephath | kernel |
| 21:05.58 | rahul | my computer got almost 2x as fast launching apps |
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| 21:06.05 | K_Dallas | stoned, well i rarely use voice that is for a friend and i think he wanted to use yahoo |
| 21:06.16 | phretor | hi theree |
| 21:06.20 | phretor | any GNUMail.app user around? |
| 21:06.20 | stoned | K_Dallas on linux you're out of luck I believe |
| 21:06.24 | stoned | afaik |
| 21:06.38 | K_Dallas | i know there was yahoo for linux a while back, 1-2 years ago |
| 21:06.45 | K_Dallas | i have no idea how it is these days |
| 21:06.48 | wintix | phretor: ask your real question. |
| 21:06.51 | stoned | i don't mess around with IM I don't really know |
| 21:07.04 | stoned | !tell phretor -about ask |
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| 21:07.17 | wintix | K_Dallas: skype is nice (and evil) |
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| 21:07.42 | stoned | skype doesn't work with sound deamons, or dmix, it controlls your soundcard and its crappy. Its lovely when it work though |
| 21:07.47 | stoned | works* |
| 21:07.52 | wintix | stoned: it works with alsa. |
| 21:07.54 | zarephath | stoned: Where can I find the C header files that are for my kernel? I installed linux-kernel-headers already |
| 21:08.06 | stoned | wintix yes but not with the dmix plugin |
| 21:08.12 | stoned | it works but fully controls the soundcard |
| 21:08.50 | stoned | zarephath look in /usr/src |
| 21:08.54 | wintix | stoned: hmm. didn't realize that. skype has it's dedicated linux box ;) |
| 21:09.11 | stoned | wintix rich bastidge |
| 21:09.13 | stoned | :) |
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| 21:09.40 | wintix | stoned: poor student.. |
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| 21:10.10 | BUMBACL0T | stew, one more thing, right below that line, there's another line that shows this: Apr 16 22:26:07 haterproof sshd[5589]: subsystem request for sftp |
| 21:10.16 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:10.20 | BUMBACL0T | stew, isn't that winscp or someshit? |
| 21:10.24 | zarephath | stoned: Hmmm..I did...should'nt linux-kernel-headers package put them there? |
| 21:10.41 | stoned | yes |
| 21:10.41 | zarephath | stoned: K thanks |
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| 21:11.29 | stoned | i need to go and procure nourishment |
| 21:11.32 | stoned | I'm starving |
| 21:11.43 | wintix | stoned: happy hunting ;) |
| 21:11.45 | stoned | bye bye peoples |
| 21:11.48 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 21:12.11 | stew | BUMBACL0T: so he didn't use ssh to login, he used it to transfer files with sftp. sftp is an ssh subsystem for transferring files, there are many possible clients, i don't know if winscp is one of them |
| 21:12.34 | wintix | stew: yes it is |
| 21:12.45 | wintix | stew: a very good one for windows. |
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| 21:13.41 | BUMBACL0T | stew, so the one i pasted had nothing to do with ssh at all? |
| 21:13.52 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: sftp runs over ssh |
| 21:13.56 | BUMBACL0T | oh |
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| 21:17.42 | admix | hello all! i have a question, i know, that i don't need to ask to ask =) so i'll ask just now: is there people here, who have an experience of setting NAT+squid+traffic control on same machine |
| 21:18.26 | admix | as i've already understand, i can shape only outgoing traffic, but i want to shape, before squid, not after, is there any to create 2 virtual network interfaces, or something like this? (i plan to use tc+htb) |
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| 21:18.49 | admix | is there any other channel where i can ask such information? |
| 21:19.10 | admix | seems noone here =( |
| 21:19.15 | rahul | is there a #networking? |
| 21:19.25 | rahul | maybe routing? |
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| 21:19.51 | drwahl | admix check out smoothwall |
| 21:20.00 | drwahl | or m0n0wall |
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| 21:20.42 | admix | rahul: thanks, i'll tr |
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| 21:20.50 | admix | rahul: i will try |
| 21:20.55 | admix | drwahl: that's a usernames, right? thanks btw.! |
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| 21:21.03 | larsl | Is there an easy automatised way to rebuild certain packages with optimisations for e.g. Athlon XP? |
| 21:21.06 | haxality | hello, I was wondering how to install the ATi binary drivers. there don't seem to be any walkthroughs on the internet |
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| 21:21.26 | drwahl | admix: smoothwall is a product, same with m0n0wall |
| 21:21.32 | grendal_prime | im running a find command right now..its taking a long time..is there any way to see what its doing (with verying detail) without restarting it? |
| 21:21.38 | rahul | larsl: you think that will help 99% of apps? |
| 21:21.41 | admix | drwahl: thank you again) |
| 21:21.44 | xingu | hurrah, libc6-2.5-2 hits sid/i386 |
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| 21:21.49 | drwahl | admix: they are linux/bsd based router solutions |
| 21:21.49 | rahul | haxality: apt-cache search fglrx |
| 21:21.50 | stew | grendal_prime: attach an strace to it? |
| 21:21.52 | rahul | !fglrx |
| 21:21.52 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 21:22.07 | larsl | rahul: I don't know, but things like Firefox and Xorg seem much slower on Debian than on Mandriva (with 586 packages). |
| 21:22.22 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: is it a find -print or a find -exec ? |
| 21:22.24 | mrec_ | hi, is there any tool available for switching the gcc version? (I usually change the symlinks) |
| 21:22.25 | larsl | rahul: And I'd definitely want to do it for audio processors and softsynths. |
| 21:22.32 | grendal_prime | find -exec |
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| 21:22.50 | admix | drwahl: already googling =) |
| 21:23.01 | xingu | mrec: CC=gcc-x.y usually works |
| 21:23.04 | FelipeSouza | I upgraded from oldstable to stable. But xlibs is lacking, where can i found it? |
| 21:23.09 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: add -print before the -exec |
| 21:23.28 | mrec_ | xingu: I also do that sometimes, but for gentoo there's a tool available for switching the whole environment |
| 21:23.37 | mrec_ | so I'm curious if something like that exists for debian too |
| 21:23.37 | grendal_prime | hmm but no way now that its already started? |
| 21:23.42 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: or -fprint /dev/stderr if you want it to go to stderr instead of stdout |
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| 21:23.54 | stew | FelipeSouza: are you following the upgrade procedure in the release notes? |
| 21:24.00 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: strace -p it maybe, but that's going to be some ugly output it |
| 21:24.07 | \amethyst | s/ it$// |
| 21:24.22 | grendal_prime | strace -p then the process number? |
| 21:24.29 | \amethyst | yes |
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| 21:24.42 | rahul | larsl: they probably also crash much less on debian |
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| 21:24.49 | rahul | gcc being the arse that it is |
| 21:24.50 | haxality | rahul, all I get is xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 21:24.55 | larsl | rahul: Haven't noticed that. |
| 21:24.56 | neumayr_ | hi |
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| 21:25.01 | FelipeSouza | stew, ops, i didn't know about this, i used apt-get update|upgade. Where can i get this? |
| 21:25.05 | haxality | rahul, and I'm pretty sure it's already installed |
| 21:25.09 | roler | I have a debian server and it has X Windows files galore on it, is there an easy way to remove them all? |
| 21:25.21 | Casius_Dracul | is there a gtk, or KDE front end to apt-get? |
| 21:25.24 | smacnay | does anyone prefer getmail4 over fetchmail? |
| 21:25.28 | larsl | It seems like a shame to have all these extra registers and instruction sets and never use them. |
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| 21:25.42 | rahul | haxality: it's in non-free, I think |
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| 21:26.16 | rahul | roler: fire up aptitude. go to the tasks at the bottom, go into the desktop and X-related ones and purge those packages |
| 21:26.26 | neumayr_ | i'm trying to install debian w/o a keyboard. so far, i've managed to boot a livecd and get ssh access. so... how do i start the installer? |
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| 21:26.42 | stew | FelipeSouza: /msg dpkg etch |
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| 21:27.22 | FelipeSouza | thank's |
| 21:27.25 | haxality | ahhh one sec |
| 21:27.35 | Mawze_ | Hi, Senario: Installed debian, hosed Vista, reinstalled Vista, GRUB removed from MBR. I've googled this for days now, does anybody know of an easy way to dual boot Debian using the stupid Vista boot manager. (note: I don't know how to access the debian drive atm.) |
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| 21:27.53 | azeem | Mawze_: why don't you dual boot using grub? |
| 21:27.54 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to use submenus on OpenBOX file? |
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| 21:28.01 | Mawze_ | I tried |
| 21:28.06 | Mawze_ | grub didn't see vista |
| 21:28.21 | OwlEye | does anyone know a tool to convert *.bin files to *.iso? |
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| 21:28.41 | Mawze_ | edited the menu.list file only to find that I'd formatted the drive with the vista bootmgr on it |
| 21:28.46 | haxality | rahul, alright. do I need to do anything else after installing besides restart X |
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| 21:28.58 | rahul | haxality: you need to compile the driver |
| 21:29.00 | Mawze_ | now I'm scared |
| 21:29.06 | haxality | ..wha? |
| 21:29.07 | rahul | haxality: look at what dpkg said |
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| 21:29.11 | haxality | one sec. |
| 21:29.21 | coldsteal | how do i enable services for starting up |
| 21:29.24 | haxality | still downloading fglrx-driver :P |
| 21:29.38 | stew | coldsteal: with update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 21:29.48 | roler | rahul; thanks man |
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| 21:30.08 | bknitram | OwlEye: AFAIK, a .iso file is just a image of a CD... so if your .bin is a disk image than you need to extract the data, put it on an iso9660 fs, put the bootsector on the new iso, and you should be done. |
| 21:30.15 | neumayr_ | hrhr. there's a package called debian-installer, and all it contains is documentation. |
| 21:30.31 | haxality | OwlEye, you have a .bin and a .cue, right? |
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| 21:30.52 | OwlEye | dudes, i did not ask how to use a *.bin image. i need a converting tools |
| 21:31.03 | \amethyst | OwlEye: bchunk |
| 21:31.04 | haxality | OwlEye, get bchunk. |
| 21:31.09 | OwlEye | thanks |
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| 21:31.10 | haxality | curse you, \amethyst |
| 21:31.18 | \amethyst | haxality: :) |
| 21:31.20 | haxality | :P |
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| 21:31.49 | bonez39 | why if i insert a music cd, it will load and play .. but if i open xmms, and attempt to load the same cd...or open a music stream..it tells me my sound card is misconfigured...or something else has a hold on it? |
| 21:31.51 | haxality | rahul, I installed everything. I didn't get any messages about compiling. |
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| 21:32.00 | rahul | haxality: the bot |
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| 21:32.03 | haxality | ahhhh. |
| 21:32.31 | xand | EdwardElric: gonna stay this time? |
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| 21:32.38 | xLoader | hi, is there anyone knows runs Jboss and tomcat altother on debian 4? |
| 21:32.44 | xand | !anyone |
| 21:32.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:33.16 | neumayr_ | oh man.. |
| 21:33.31 | clars | how do I remove and dir tahts not empty? |
| 21:33.37 | xand | clars: rm -rf |
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| 21:34.14 | clars | xand, thanks |
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| 21:34.58 | neumayr_ | *shudder* |
| 21:35.01 | chemist | how to view a list of user accounts from CLI? |
| 21:35.02 | rahul | !laugh at xLoader |
| 21:35.02 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! xLoader just cracks me up! |
| 21:35.07 | neumayr_ | rm -irf |
| 21:35.07 | OwlEye | works like a charm. thanks a lot haxality |
| 21:35.11 | rahul | xLoader: you poor sod. |
| 21:35.14 | lexoplex | I'm trying to connect to a WLAN with Sarge on an IBM Thinkpad, using a Netgear WG511 PCI adapter. I'm not sure what kind of modules I need, which packages etc. Is there any step-by-step doc available? |
| 21:35.15 | xand | chemist: cat /etc/passwd |
| 21:35.20 | ghatak | Hi, i am trying to run Debian stable in VMWARE, the network interface does not come up. i did lsmod and module for networking 'pcnet32' is loaded. When i do ifup eth0 i get, SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 21:35.28 | ghatak | what is wrong here |
| 21:36.14 | chemist | xand: thanks |
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| 21:36.32 | haxality | no prob OwlEye. |
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| 21:36.59 | addss | it is necessary to download all 3 dvd? |
| 21:37.04 | streuner | no |
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| 21:37.23 | streuner | addss: get a netinstall-CD |
| 21:37.40 | stew | addss: can your machine get onto the internet with a stock debian kernel? |
| 21:37.57 | haxality | rahul: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
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| 21:38.04 | addss | stew, yes |
| 21:38.16 | rahul | haxality: what did you do...? |
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| 21:38.33 | rahul | oh and why did this wondrous buttplug not load fglrx.ko for me? |
| 21:38.34 | stew | addss: then you only need a netinst which is somwhere around 150mb, it will install a base system and you can then fetch whatever else you need over the internet |
| 21:38.37 | rahul | useless crap |
| 21:38.47 | streuner | heh |
| 21:38.54 | haxality | rahul, one second. let me sort this out. |
| 21:38.54 | addss | thank you |
| 21:39.06 | rahul | oh well, I'll have to fiddle with that later |
| 21:39.16 | addss | why this realese it is so big? |
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| 21:39.37 | streuner | addss: because _ALL_ packages are on these 3 DVD's |
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| 21:39.53 | streuner | addss: all packages of the WHOLE release (etch) |
| 21:40.23 | addss | interesting |
| 21:40.25 | mfrisch | streuner: my God, 3 dvd's. source too? |
| 21:40.31 | streuner | addss: its getting bigger and bigger every release... |
| 21:40.35 | streuner | sure |
| 21:40.36 | smacnay | to share mail between mutt and sylpheed, what would be the best mail format? |
| 21:40.39 | streuner | everything |
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| 21:41.11 | mfrisch | it is such a waste of bandwidth to do all that. what does it take days? |
| 21:41.38 | streuner | nah, you'll get via http about 1 Mbit/s |
| 21:41.53 | streuner | but just use netinstall |
| 21:42.03 | mfrisch | streuner: not me my ISP sucks 768 is its rating |
| 21:42.10 | streuner | Who needs all stuff (3 DVD's) anyway? |
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| 21:42.21 | mfrisch | netisntall does me fine |
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| 21:42.52 | streuner | well, you'll get the whole bandwidth then, so not more than 1 day to download all stuff |
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| 21:43.24 | runa | can sb help me with kiba-dock. i cant install it. i have downloaded the source but when i do ./autogen.sh it gives error. I have a debian etch |
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| 21:43.58 | rysiek|pl | guys, is it possible to specufie in /etc/fstab a mountpoint that contains space(s)? |
| 21:43.59 | Zancat | cats |
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| 21:44.02 | Zancat | oops |
| 21:44.22 | rysiek|pl | like: /dev/something /some/mount point ext3 ... |
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| 21:44.38 | peterS | rysiek|pl: I think if you use "" you can |
| 21:44.40 | haxality | rahul, that's what I get when I type out the one-liner for fglrx installation |
| 21:44.54 | mfrisch | /some\ \mount maybe?? |
| 21:44.55 | haxality | rahul, I can modprobe -r fglrx, but I cant do modprobe fglrx |
| 21:44.59 | diskus | rysiek|pl: why do you use spaces? |
| 21:44.59 | randomity | rysiek|pl, not sure, but you could mount it somewhere else and use a symlink |
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| 21:45.09 | rysiek|pl | peterS: nope |
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| 21:45.39 | rysiek|pl | diskus: why not? The name contaions spaces and I feel - hmmm - uncomfortable with changing it |
| 21:45.47 | rahul | haxality: you probably need to exit X |
| 21:45.50 | rysiek|pl | randomity: it's not a Nice way |
| 21:45.52 | haxality | rahul, I thought so. |
| 21:45.57 | rahul | haxality: and then set your X server driver to be fglrx |
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| 21:46.07 | haxality | rahul, alright, cool. thanks man. |
| 21:46.12 | randomity | rysiek|pl, no, it's not. but it would work :P |
| 21:46.14 | rysiek|pl | randomity: I can always mount it by hand, without using fstab, but it's not the point :) |
| 21:46.17 | peterS | rysiek|pl: well, you can read 'man fstab' for yourself if you want to know whether this is possible |
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| 21:46.58 | rysiek|pl | peterS: read it already, didn't find anything about it; although I *am* exhausted right now, might have slipped my attention |
| 21:47.11 | peterS | rysiek|pl: I don't see anything in there either, which suggests that it is not there |
| 21:47.15 | randomity | rysiek|pl, I quote from manpage: "If |
| 21:47.16 | randomity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.16 | randomity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.35 | rysiek|pl | randomity: ah, right! thanks :) |
| 21:47.49 | rysiek|pl | I need a tea. and some few hours sleep. |
| 21:47.55 | randomity | heh |
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| 21:48.19 | peterS | have some t |
| 21:48.22 | ghatak | OK where do i get sarge from, seems like ETCH wont work for VMWARE...... ? |
| 21:48.57 | rysiek|pl | peterS: yeah, "e" and "a" are comming next year, as sequels? ;) |
| 21:49.15 | rysiek|pl | ghatak: tried QEmu? |
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| 21:49.57 | ghatak | rysiek|pl: QEmu is not as good as Vmware .... well i mean in terms of features |
| 21:50.22 | rysiek|pl | ghatak: ok, just making sure you know about it ;) |
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| 21:51.05 | ghatak | rysiek|pl: yeps know it and used it :) |
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| 21:51.13 | rysiek|pl | :) |
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| 21:53.11 | haxality | worked like a charm, rahul! thanks again. |
| 21:53.18 | rahul | haxality: cool |
| 21:53.31 | rahul | I'll be doing the same thing soon :) |
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| 21:54.34 | Talisker | Hi, how do I tell apt to install all the deps needed to build a certein package? |
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| 21:55.06 | Talisker | Hi, how do I tell apt to install all the packages [deps] needed to build a certein package from source? |
| 21:55.07 | Vasistha | Talisker: with apt-get build-dep |
| 21:55.15 | Vasistha | !tell Talisker about repeat |
| 21:55.15 | Talisker | thanks |
| 21:55.26 | Talisker | I asked that twice... sorry |
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| 21:56.34 | Talisker | Was ion3 removed from the testing repo? |
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| 21:57.12 | rysiek|pl | gtg, thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:58.06 | Zancat | hi everyone, I keep getting this error when i try to mount hdb: |
| 21:58.06 | Zancat | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 21:58.06 | Zancat | process 2877: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 21:58.07 | Zancat | error: device /dev/hdb1 is not removable |
| 21:58.07 | Zancat | error: could not execute pmount |
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| 21:58.15 | Zancat | oops |
| 21:58.17 | karsten | !tell Zancat about flood |
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| 21:58.22 | karsten | !tell Zancat about pater |
| 21:58.25 | karsten | !tell Zancat about paster |
| 21:58.51 | Zancat | ok, I'll do it line by line then... |
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| 21:58.55 | Talisker | appearently ion3 WAS removed [a shame] |
| 21:59.15 | Vasistha | Zancat: no, no, no!!! |
| 21:59.20 | Vasistha | Zancat: put it in a pastebin! |
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| 21:59.24 | Malf | ar |
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| 21:59.56 | Zancat | uh, ok |
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| 22:01.41 | Zancat | I keep getting this error when trying to mount hdb: http://pastebin.ca/445484 |
| 22:02.01 | Vasistha | much better ;-) it makes it much easier for us to actually look at the error, too |
| 22:02.10 | Zancat | ok |
| 22:02.15 | xand | dude, will that guy fix his connection |
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| 22:03.29 | Vasistha | Zancat: what version of debian are you using? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:03.31 | bzed | xand: /ignore them? |
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| 22:03.49 | Zancat | 40r0 |
| 22:03.50 | em-dash | how would one go about reverting from apache 2.2.x to apache 2.0.x on etch? |
| 22:03.59 | bolt | does etch come with install floppies? |
| 22:04.03 | bolt | i can't find them anywhere |
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| 22:04.20 | peterS | em-dash: that would involve removing the etch apache2 packages and installing the sarge ones |
| 22:04.22 | rysiek|pl | me again |
| 22:04.40 | xand | bzed: that's not the point! |
| 22:04.42 | xand | :P |
| 22:05.31 | em-dash | peterS: so apache 2.2.x is the lowest version in etch? |
| 22:05.31 | xand | bzed: i prefer to whinge :D |
| 22:05.31 | peterS | em-dash: your module configuration will be a bit screwed up at this point too, because etch changes some of the module names and installing the sarge packages won't change them back (in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled) |
| 22:05.32 | peterS | em-dash: you can still install apache (version 1.3) in etch |
| 22:05.37 | peterS | em-dash: supporting both 2.0 and 2.2 in the same release didn't seem reasonable, so we didn't |
| 22:05.41 | em-dash | peterS: my config isn't so convoluted, so I can deal with my mod-[available|enabled], but I need 2.0.x, not 1.3 |
| 22:05.50 | peterS | em-dash: out of curiosity, why? |
| 22:05.56 | Vasistha | Zancat: really! that's what your /etc/debian_version says? I thought it should have been something different. Oh well, just to make sure we're on the same platform here, do this: dpkg -l 'libhal*' |
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| 22:06.09 | bzed | peterS: will there be any sane replacement for libapache2-mod-auth-mysql? |
| 22:06.12 | em-dash | peterS: well, mod_authnz_ldap doesn't seem to connect to Active Directory |
| 22:06.18 | Talisker | http://pastebin.ca/445490 <--- any reason why this package won't make? |
| 22:06.24 | peterS | bzed: errr, didn't the updated libapache2-mod-auth-mysql make it into etch? |
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| 22:06.36 | Talisker | Well, there obviously IS a reason, any idea what it might be based on the log? |
| 22:06.38 | Vasistha | Zancat: we only care about the 'ii' lines, not the 'pn' or 'un' lines -- mine says libhal-storage1 and libhal1 are both installed, version 0.5.8.1-9 |
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| 22:06.51 | Zancat | hmm |
| 22:06.55 | exism | is it possible to create a mdadm RAID5 array with only two drives (for the purpose of adding more later and not having to come up with backups)? |
| 22:06.59 | em-dash | or at least, I can do an ldapsearch just fine, but I'm getting 'user not found' in my apache error.log |
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| 22:07.15 | peterS | exism: yes, specify "/dev/hda2 /dev/hdb2 missing" when building it, with the word "missing" in there |
| 22:07.18 | bzed | peterS: don't think so |
| 22:07.20 | Talisker | Oh and, what kernel image do you recommend for a dual core CPU? |
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| 22:07.31 | rysiek|pl | anybody any ideas why the heck is that: I have /dev/a mounted at /home/a and /dev/b mounted at /home/a/b; I have NFS-exported /home/a; I have succesfuly mounted 192.168.0.x:/home/a at /nfs/a at the client; why: ls -l /nfs/a/b shows nothing, though ls -l /home/a/b on the server-side shows the /dev/b's contents properly? |
| 22:07.31 | stew | Talisker: is there a reason you aren't using the debian pacakges of ion3? |
| 22:07.34 | bzed | Talisker: you're missing lua.h |
| 22:07.55 | exism | peterS: is the arrray usable before adding that disk and can you specify more than one disk as missing? |
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| 22:08.15 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: probably something to do with your nfs options of whether to also export submounts |
| 22:08.30 | peterS | bzed: hmmm, sure enough, it didn't make it in. I was planning to try to get a replacement scheme into etch, but when mod-auth-mysql was patched to support apache 2.2 I figured there wasn't any point in continuing my effort |
| 22:08.31 | wintix | exism: it will be usable and you can only specify one disk as missing. |
| 22:08.33 | peterS | exism: raid5 only has one redundant disk so you can't specify more than one missing disk, no |
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| 22:08.42 | bzed | peterS: no, not in etch... |
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| 22:09.05 | exism | I'm guessing that until I specify that disk I won't have any redundancy? |
| 22:09.07 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: yeah, reading through man 5 exports, but can't seem to pin-point the exact cause |
| 22:09.08 | peterS | bzed: hmmm, I wonder why it didn't make it. it was patched specifically to fix this issue |
| 22:09.11 | bzed | peterS: and the libapache2=mod-auth-mysl package is RFA or orphaned... |
| 22:09.14 | wintix | exism: you guess right. |
| 22:09.19 | exism | cool, thank you |
| 22:09.27 | Zancat | Vasistha: btw, I'm using a eliminator (The Mac port of QEMU, called Q) and I have only had Debian for a day, and dpkg-deb couldn't read archive libhal* |
| 22:09.39 | bzed | peterS: yeah :\ I think it was removed from etch before the patch was applied. well the patch was there before it was removed, but nobody uploaded it |
| 22:09.42 | peterS | bzed: yes it is, but the 4.3.9-3 release was specifically intended to support apache 2.2 |
| 22:09.57 | em-dash | peterS: do you happen to have any suggestions as to where I might look for info on reverting apache2 to 2.0.x? |
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| 22:09.59 | jelly-home | Zancat: emulator? |
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| 22:10.15 | Zancat | yes (can never get it right) |
| 22:10.16 | Vasistha | Zancat: are you saying that when you did the dpkg -l 'libhal*' the result was an error message from dpkg-deb ? |
| 22:10.16 | peterS | em-dash: install the sarge packages |
| 22:10.19 | peterS | em-dash: I told you already |
| 22:10.25 | peterS | em-dash: if you aren't willing to do that, you are on your own |
| 22:10.25 | Zancat | yes |
| 22:10.26 | wintix | exism: you shouldn't wait too long to replace the missing disk since you are effectively doubling the likelihood of failure. |
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| 22:10.43 | em-dash | peterS: sorry, your suggestion scrolled by and I missed it |
| 22:10.51 | Zancat | OOPS |
| 22:10.54 | exism | wintix: right, it just will let me migrate without having to backup all my drives |
| 22:11.01 | Zancat | I put a I insted of a L |
| 22:11.06 | Zancat | :) |
| 22:11.09 | em-dash | peterS: thanks |
| 22:11.10 | wintix | exism: good. :) |
| 22:11.32 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: I think nohide is the relevant option, but I'm not sure |
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| 22:11.48 | wintix | exism: you can even add additional disk to the array if you want to have more space in the future. |
| 22:11.57 | wintix | s/disk/disks/ |
| 22:12.01 | Zancat | I have libhal-storage and libhal1 installed |
| 22:12.06 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: was it in man 5 exports? |
| 22:12.10 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: yes |
| 22:12.21 | Vasistha | Zancat: versions? |
| 22:12.23 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: then my translated version is far from being up-to-date |
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| 22:12.40 | Zancat | 0.5.8.1-9, both are the same |
| 22:12.42 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: hmm, maybe look on google for the manpage and use a translation service? |
| 22:12.52 | exism | wintix: that was my intention |
| 22:13.10 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: why use a translation service? I do speak english, you know ;) |
| 22:13.16 | Vasistha | Zancat: alright, those are the versions I've got on my etch system. Well, from what I can see, I think it's a bug, and should be reported |
| 22:13.22 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: but google manpage is a good idea, thanks |
| 22:13.24 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: well, you have demonstrated that capacity :D |
| 22:13.27 | Zancat | oh |
| 22:14.04 | wintix | exism: before creating the array, consider carefully what filesystem you are going to use since changing that is actually work, if you decide to |
| 22:14.08 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: it's also possible the the english manpages might already be installed on your system, in /usr/share/man/something-or-other |
| 22:14.08 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: I *hope* there was no irony in that, although it would be well-deserved, I guess, taken my today's performance into account :) |
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| 22:14.35 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: I'll just change the language for the root user to english |
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| 22:15.04 | Vasistha | rysiek|pl: pl = Poland? |
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| 22:15.11 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: aye |
| 22:15.28 | ircleuser | where is the log for failure of 'startx'? |
| 22:15.35 | Vasistha | ah. heh, maybe this is your big opportunity to contribute a manpage translation to debian ;-) |
| 22:15.47 | rysiek|pl | ircleuser: /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:15.47 | stew | ircleuser: /var/log/X*.log |
| 22:15.51 | wintix | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:16.05 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: yeah, you might be right |
| 22:16.16 | exism | wintix: could you recommend me the most reliable file system, i don't really care about performance |
| 22:16.16 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: just let me fix my NFS shares first ;) |
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| 22:16.24 | streuner | ircleuser: /home/<user>/.xseesion-errors |
| 22:16.27 | Zancat | Vasistha: umm, how do I go about reporting a bug? <:( |
| 22:16.28 | rysiek|pl | exism: ext3? |
| 22:16.33 | wintix | exism: then you might be best of using ext3 |
| 22:17.09 | exism | that was my initial idea |
| 22:17.21 | exism | i haven't been around linux in awhile and wasn't sure if that was still the best choice |
| 22:17.22 | Talisker | http://pastebin.ca/445504 <--- does this make sense? |
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| 22:17.48 | Talisker | Isn't it better to use Reiser for partitions that handle lots of small files, like var? |
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| 22:18.00 | Vasistha | !reiserfs |
| 22:18.00 | dpkg | methinks reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
| 22:18.32 | Talisker | ...That trivia seems to be a bit biased :/ |
| 22:18.50 | peterS | bzed: from the debian bug report about this, it looks as though installing libapache2-mod-auth-mysql from lenny should work fine in etch. at least, people reported it to work fine before it was uploaded. |
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| 22:19.05 | peterS | bzed: note that I have no way to test this as I'm not willing to set up a mysql server |
| 22:19.07 | bzed | peterS: yeah, it does. |
| 22:19.26 | Casius_Dracul | Ive never had any complaints or problems with reiserfs |
| 22:19.27 | Vasistha | Talisker: let's see your sources.list -- do you have deb-src lines in there, and are they commented? |
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| 22:19.53 | bzed | peterS: I'd prefer not to have a mysql server, but there're some dumb things which need one, and I don't want to run 2 DB servers :\ |
| 22:19.56 | Vasistha | Casius_Dracul: well, that's entirely consistent with the factoid ;-) |
| 22:20.05 | peterS | bzed: understandable |
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| 22:20.10 | bonez39 | is there a concise way to upgrade to debian 4.0? I have an older machine at home...that has non-critical data....I'll like to just launch an upgrade to 4.0.... |
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| 22:20.27 | peterS | bonez39: the release notes include upgrade instructions |
| 22:20.31 | Vasistha | bonez39: does it have sarge on it? |
| 22:20.37 | peterS | people should read release notes. some people worked hard to write and update them. |
| 22:20.39 | Talisker | Well, I don't have any deb-src, but that didn't keep me from "apt-get build-dep"ing stable packages |
| 22:20.42 | bzed | !tell bonez39 about sarge->etch |
| 22:20.44 | bonez39 | Vasistha, yea, sarge.... |
| 22:20.48 | Vasistha | Casius_Dracul: no need to /msg ;-) |
| 22:20.54 | Talisker | Should I add the deb-src at the end of the unstable repo line? |
| 22:20.57 | Casius_Dracul | sorry :) |
| 22:21.11 | peterS | Talisker: not at the end of a line, no |
| 22:21.26 | Casius_Dracul | I have /msg stuck in my head today for some reason |
| 22:21.28 | Talisker | Oh yeah |
| 22:21.28 | Vasistha | Talisker: no, deb-src lines are separate lines. They look just like the deb lines but start with deb-src instead. |
| 22:21.31 | Talisker | Got it, thanks |
| 22:21.36 | peterS | Talisker: if you want to download source packages, _duplicate_ your 'deb ...' line as 'deb-src ...' |
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| 22:22.17 | Casius_Dracul | is aptitude the only frontend for apt-get? |
| 22:22.18 | Talisker | I only added that unstable sources for now so that I could build-dep for a package that's not in the testing repo |
| 22:22.25 | peterS | Casius_Dracul: no |
| 22:22.26 | wintix | Casius_Dracul: no |
| 22:22.34 | adamant1988 | Casius_Dracul: Synaptic is a front-end for apt-get as well |
| 22:22.40 | peterS | it isn't a frontend for apt-get anyway, it's a frontend for the apt library |
| 22:22.46 | Casius_Dracul | ahh |
| 22:22.57 | enouf | has anyone ever had /etc/sysctl.conf overwritten after an update/upgrade .. I specifically recall placing an entry for kernel.sysrq = 1 enabling, but it's not there.. (er anymore, so it appears) |
| 22:23.06 | Talisker | apt-get is a single element in a bunch of apt-tools aptitude can menage |
| 22:23.17 | rysiek|pl | Vasistha: it was the "crossmnt" option. thanks again - and see you sometime later. time to get some sleep. |
| 22:23.22 | rysiek|pl | see you all, gtg |
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| 22:23.29 | Casius_Dracul | no flames please, but does aptitude work similar to pkgtool on Slackware?/ |
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| 22:23.38 | Talisker | not at all |
| 22:23.44 | Ankman | can i compile a single kernel module without going through make manuconfog and all? |
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| 22:23.58 | Ankman | like patch one and recompile? |
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| 22:24.11 | Talisker | pkgtools don't fetch the package for you, and don't install the dependencies for yoiu |
| 22:24.23 | Casius_Dracul | true |
| 22:24.40 | Talisker | aptitude is a fancy download menager for a very well built tree of available software |
| 22:25.07 | Talisker | pkgtools is a tool to menage the packages you already have installed, and install new ones you have configured for building yourself |
| 22:25.15 | Talisker | Two completely different purposes |
| 22:25.19 | Casius_Dracul | ok |
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| 22:25.27 | wintix | Talisker: mAnager :) |
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| 22:25.41 | Talisker | I'm excused from proper spelling |
| 22:25.50 | ghostkernel | ive always asked myself what the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 22:26.03 | Casius_Dracul | Im just a little new to Debian, I just installed today after fighting with Slack for 4 hours to get my zd1211b based wireless adapter to work |
| 22:26.11 | wintix | Talisker: ;) |
| 22:26.23 | ghostkernel | slack is my fav distro |
| 22:26.29 | Talisker | I like slack better, actually |
| 22:26.34 | inFw | Casius_Dracul: you gave up after only 4 hours? :| |
| 22:26.36 | Talisker | Debian is my second fav |
| 22:26.39 | ghostkernel | 2.4 kernel is very stable |
| 22:26.41 | JordiGH | Feel free to redirect me to another channel. I want to be able to see C++'s STL classes with gdb or some frontend. I can't get to the actual data contained with gdb; all I get to see is the implementation of the STL class (e.g. with std::map all I see is the red-black tree structure). Can this be helped? |
| 22:26.42 | ghostkernel | gotta love it |
| 22:26.52 | inFw | I prefer slack for personal use, debian for servers |
| 22:26.53 | Talisker | The problem with slack is that it too high maintnance |
| 22:27.07 | JordiGH | ghostkernel: Do you want an answer on the difference? They're *very* different. |
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| 22:27.10 | dmilith | JordiGH: ;} try ruby ;' |
| 22:27.11 | ghostkernel | you can always try Arch Linux |
| 22:27.15 | Talisker | I'm too busy as it is, I need a system that works for me, like Debian |
| 22:27.15 | nn-main2 | hi all |
| 22:27.21 | Casius_Dracul | I have been a Slack user since Slack 4 |
| 22:27.23 | ghostkernel | its based on slack,and it comes with pacman |
| 22:27.29 | nn-main2 | what is up |
| 22:27.35 | dmilith | ghostkernel: ;D |
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| 22:27.42 | Casius_Dracul | but I decided to try Debian out after "the fight" |
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| 22:27.52 | JordiGH | dmilith: How are the debuggers for Ruby? |
| 22:28.00 | Talisker | The first command I traditionally issue on a fresh Debian system is "apt-get install kobo" |
| 22:28.06 | Talisker | what fight? |
| 22:28.08 | JordiGH | s/apt-get/aptitude |
| 22:28.15 | wintix | heh |
| 22:28.23 | Casius_Dracul | the fight with the zd1211rw drivers |
| 22:28.33 | Talisker | Oh, that fight |
| 22:28.33 | dmilith | JordiGH: just fine :} use test templates ;] and You won't need debugger |
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| 22:28.35 | enouf | COBOL? wtf? |
| 22:28.38 | inFw | Talisker: kobo? |
| 22:28.49 | inFw | it's for cobol? |
| 22:28.51 | Talisker | Why don't you check it out instead of asking me? :) |
| 22:28.55 | Talisker | It's a game |
| 22:29.01 | JordiGH | dmilith: Every programming language needs a debugger. |
| 22:29.04 | Artemis3 | is there a debian support channel? |
| 22:29.09 | JordiGH | Artemis3: You found it. |
| 22:29.15 | inFw | Talisker: cause that would involve a startx |
| 22:29.16 | dmilith | JordiGH: but there are debuggers ofcourse :} |
| 22:29.19 | enouf | Artemis3: bo |
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| 22:29.25 | ghostkernel | Jordi GH yes |
| 22:29.28 | enouf | er no |
| 22:29.31 | Talisker | I can't believe it |
| 22:29.34 | Artemis3 | thanks im trying to use wifi with etch and kde |
| 22:29.36 | Casius_Dracul | I noticed that my knoppix disc recognised it right at boot, so I decided instead of fighting with Slack I would try Debian and low and behold it works |
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| 22:29.46 | wintix | !tell Artemis3 about ask |
| 22:29.50 | Talisker | I actually used unstable sources just to build-deps for this damn package, and it still won't build! |
| 22:29.54 | JordiGH | dmilith: Fine. Next time I write a Master's thesis, I'll start writing it in Ruby. Now, if you can tell me how to fix my problem with kdbg, I'll be grateful |
| 22:29.58 | dmilith | Casius_Dracul: debian != knoppix |
| 22:30.20 | dmilith | it's based on, but it's not |
| 22:30.34 | Casius_Dracul | dmilith: true |
| 22:30.41 | jelly-home | Casius_Dracul: wrong premises, but correct conclusion! |
| 22:30.41 | mike1_ | 50/50 |
| 22:30.44 | enouf | dmlb2000: that has nothing to do with what he was saying though .. :-) |
| 22:30.58 | Artemis3 | i have kwifimanager and if i use search if shows the wifi net, but the button to switch to it is always greyed out |
| 22:31.04 | Casius_Dracul | but it made me think if it works under knoppix, why wouldnt it work under Debian |
| 22:31.18 | Casius_Dracul | since knoppix is based on debian |
| 22:31.19 | ghostkernel | CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEBIAN AND UBUNTU! |
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| 22:31.31 | JordiGH | ghostkernel: Ubuntu is nowhere near as strict as Debian on the freeness of the code. Although I hear they got removed in Ubuntu 7.0, Ubuntu was quite happy with including binary blobs in the standard kernel it distributed. The Ubuntu community is... different from Debian's (I'm always amused how most howtos seem to begin with how to open a terminal). Every part of Debian has more or less active maintenance; only Ubuntu's main gets full maintenance. |
| 22:31.31 | enouf | oh dear |
| 22:31.40 | Talisker | http://pastebin.ca/445532 <-- does this mean anything to you |
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| 22:31.49 | dkr | ghostkernel: debian users don't use all caps. :) |
| 22:32.15 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, any wifi how to for etch? |
| 22:32.20 | Talisker | Oh yeah, and Debian persons don't like caps, avoid them please |
| 22:32.25 | ghostkernel | dkr im using debian because im not in my computer!!!!!! |
| 22:32.30 | JordiGH | ghostkernel: The packages are quite different too. Ubuntu's packages are frozen in time at each release, I understand, except for critical upgrades. Debian's packages are changing all the time in the unstable and testing. |
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| 22:32.33 | Casius_Dracul | debian users are definately a rare breed indeed |
| 22:32.52 | ghostkernel | im a Freebsd fan! |
| 22:32.53 | jelly-home | Casius_Dracul: I'm well done myself |
| 22:33.09 | ghostkernel | okay thanxs for answering my question |
| 22:33.10 | JordiGH | Artemis3: It all depends on the model of your wireless card. The first step is to identify this card. It's highly likely you'll need to install non-free drivers. |
| 22:33.12 | ghatak | after 1 hour of head scratching and googling i have found the root cause of Network not working in VMWARE. after cloning a virtual machine or moving it, the mac address gets changed. udev still tries to map eth0 to the one assigned originally. removing the file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and rebooting forgets and assigns the new mac to eth0 and problem is solved. yayyy!!! now only if i can remember what i was |
| 22:33.13 | ghostkernel | goodbye |
| 22:33.13 | Talisker | Ubuntu is also very hard to tame, if you have unusual prefenreces [like most of us do] |
| 22:33.33 | enouf | Artemis3: a laptop? |
| 22:33.41 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, the card is already working in eth2, kwifimanager shows the wlan |
| 22:33.45 | enouf | Artemis3: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 22:33.48 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, yes dell m640 |
| 22:33.50 | Casius_Dracul | I remember one time I stumbled into a debian channel back in 99' and asked a slack question, I got banned forever |
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| 22:33.57 | dmilith | Talisker: :> us = debian users |
| 22:34.03 | dmilith | i meant debian debian ;> |
| 22:34.09 | dmilith | mean |
| 22:34.25 | Talisker | us = people that are here |
| 22:34.30 | Talisker | at freenode |
| 22:34.44 | dkr | or united states |
| 22:34.50 | JordiGH | Artemis3: So the hardware is good to go, and you just want to connect to the wireless network? |
| 22:34.51 | dmilith | i'm not |
| 22:35.03 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, yes |
| 22:35.36 | ruied | Hi! I've changed to debain 4.0. now my router detects eth2 but can't communicate with that interface reporting: "eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 22:35.40 | wintix | JordiGH: do you use encryption in your wifi lan? |
| 22:35.51 | Casius_Dracul | silly question, should I reboot after an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:35.53 | Artemis3 | i have encryption disabled |
| 22:35.58 | dondelelcaro | Casius_Dracul: it's not required. |
| 22:36.13 | Artemis3 | kwifimanager shows quality 96 |
| 22:36.13 | Casius_Dracul | ok |
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| 22:36.13 | JordiGH | wintix: Talk to Artemis3 |
| 22:36.19 | wintix | JordiGH: i noticed. |
| 22:36.21 | ShiFTKey | hey I need some help with the NVIDIA binary driver, I was here sunday night |
| 22:36.36 | Ozux | hi, I downlowded Etch DVDs and .md5 files, When I check my ISO file MD5s they are exactly as like as what I see in .iso.md5 files. But after burning DVD's and checking DVD MD5s New MD5s (DVD's) are different from .iso file's MD5, Is it make any problem or it's regular? |
| 22:36.42 | dmilith | ruied: you don't have eth2 device driver (module) installed into your kernel |
| 22:36.49 | dkr | Casius_Dracul: good idea if the upgrade included a new kernel |
| 22:36.59 | JordiGH | ShiFTKey: What kind of help? If it's crashing, It's Not Our Problem. |
| 22:37.04 | Casius_Dracul | dont think it did |
| 22:37.04 | ShiFTKey | well |
| 22:37.08 | ShiFTKey | its a weird problem |
| 22:37.12 | intruder | Ozux: this suggest that the burning process was not successful |
| 22:37.19 | dkr | Ozux: how did you burn them? |
| 22:37.32 | Casius_Dracul | it did include X and KDE |
| 22:37.38 | JordiGH | ShiFTKey: If X is running but you're having video problems, it's not our problem either. |
| 22:37.43 | ShiFTKey | heres what happens, when I install the driver, it works fine, I can startx and play open arena. However, after I reboot, X crashes |
| 22:37.43 | ruied | dmilith, all the interfaces have the rtl8139 and they all work, except the eth2.... |
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| 22:37.49 | enouf | Ozux: it's fine .. it's padding zeros |
| 22:37.51 | Ozux | dkr, One time with growfs -Z ... then with Nautilus DVD burner. |
| 22:38.00 | wintix | Artemis3: try using iwconfig directly. kwifimanager is somewhat weird. 'iwconfig eth1 mode managed && iwconfig eth1 essid YOURSSID && iwconfig eth1 enc off' replace eth1 with your wifi card and YOURSSID with your ssid. then check with 'iwconfig' if you are connected. (give it some seconds) if that's ok 'dhclient eth1' |
| 22:38.00 | dkr | maybe you put the etch .iso file inside another .iso instead of burninge the .iso directly? |
| 22:38.02 | JordiGH | ShiFTKey: Not our problem. Talk to nvidia, lobby them to create free drivers. |
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| 22:38.17 | Artemis3 | ok ill give it a try, thanks wintix |
| 22:38.23 | dmilith | ruied: maybe wrong pci? (i mean not working pci slot for example?) |
| 22:38.31 | ShiFTKey | JordiGH: But it works fine the first time, it just fails on boot |
| 22:38.45 | Casius_Dracul | X and KDE should upgrade fine while Im running X right? |
| 22:38.45 | dkr | Ozux: you shouldn't need to make any filesystem, and .iso has a fielsystem within it. you ened to burn the .sio directly |
| 22:38.48 | JordiGH | ShiFTKey: We can't help you. There's no way we could. We have no understanding of how the binary driver works. |
| 22:39.03 | intruder | ShiFTKey: don't reboot |
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| 22:39.24 | JordiGH | "Doctor, it hurts when I breathe!" -- "Don't breathe, then." |
| 22:39.28 | wintix | Casius_Dracul: it's recommended to stop X before upgrading |
| 22:39.34 | Malf | ShiFTKey: It's probably not running the same startup scripts on boot. Mine for example ran two scripts on boot, but one of them cancelled the other out causing segfaults, x crashing, etc |
| 22:39.35 | Casius_Dracul | damn |
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| 22:39.54 | ShiFTKey | Malf: how can I check that? |
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| 22:40.10 | wintix | ShiFTKey: binary nvidia driver from nvidia.com? |
| 22:40.11 | ruied | dmilith, I have the same problem with 2 routers, It just doesn't detect the pci with the kernel 2.6.18, it works fine with kernel 2.6.8 The problem is with one of the routers that need kernel 2.6.18 to work with the sata disk.... |
| 22:40.12 | Casius_Dracul | I should drop to console then, rerun dist-upgrade |
| 22:40.19 | ShiFTKey | wintix: yes |
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| 22:40.45 | dkr | Casius_Dracul: this stuff is covered in the release notes, btw :) |
| 22:40.46 | Malf | ShiFTKey: To check the exact issue I had you'd make sure /etc/init.d didn't have multiple nvidia scripts in it (i.e. nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy) |
| 22:40.48 | Ozux | dkr, I try: growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=/mnt/isos/debian1.iso And it boot and Debian Installer say my Integraty check is successfull and my Media are healthy |
| 22:40.56 | wintix | ShiFTKey: after installing it, delete /etc/init.d/*nvidia* (the binary driver does weird things on reboot) |
| 22:40.59 | enouf | Do the Installers still have a "check media" (or similar) option at boot? .. I could just pop in my DVD and have a look i guess |
| 22:41.06 | Casius_Dracul | who reads release notes? :) |
| 22:41.15 | wintix | ShiFTKey: at least that solution works for me |
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| 22:41.19 | Talisker | sugoi! I have ion3 |
| 22:41.30 | ShiFTKey | wintix: I see two (nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel |
| 22:41.33 | ShiFTKey | ) |
| 22:41.41 | Talisker | Say, what's the name of that cool WM with the wobbly windows and all that show-off crap? |
| 22:41.43 | intruder | remove these |
| 22:41.49 | wintix | ShiFTKey: delete them (or move them somewhere safe if you don't trust me ;) ) |
| 22:41.58 | intruder | ShiFTKey: remove these packages |
| 22:42.09 | ShiFTKey | wintix: mv nvidia* /home/victor <----- good enough? |
| 22:42.13 | intruder | ShiFTKey: that you didnt have to install if you were using the binary from nvidia.com |
| 22:42.15 | wintix | ShiFTKey: yes. |
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| 22:42.37 | ShiFTKey | intruder: remove which packages? |
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| 22:42.42 | intruder | nvidia-glx |
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| 22:43.06 | Talisker | can't find alsamixer in the repo either, was it also replaced? |
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| 22:43.11 | intruder | if you had reviewed your log file |
| 22:43.18 | wintix | ShiFTKey: you could try it intruders way. deleting (or moving) those files will do, too. |
| 22:43.20 | JordiGH | Talisker: compiz or beryl. I couldn't get beryl running, but I'm using compiz right now. :-) |
| 22:43.24 | orn | is there any special channel for apt-related questions? |
| 22:43.30 | wintix | ShiFTKey: but it's nasty ;) |
| 22:43.31 | enouf | Ozux: it's fine .. it's padding zeros .. growisofs outputs a 16kiB block size from dd IIRC, and optical media generally use 2048 (2kiB), and hard disks have 512byte sctors and ext3 uses 4086 blocks .. |
| 22:43.36 | Casius_Dracul | I'll be back in a bit |
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| 22:43.37 | ShiFTKey | wintix: Ok, I moved them, and now im rebooting |
| 22:43.44 | Talisker | what happened to alsamixer? |
| 22:43.45 | JordiGH | orn: This one, usually. Unless it's a very specific development question. |
| 22:43.45 | intruder | you would have seen that after a reboot your X crash because the x server has a different driver version from the client |
| 22:43.52 | Artemis3 | wintix, now it worked, thanks, how to make sure the configuration remains after reboot? what config file should i edit? |
| 22:43.57 | Talisker | It seems as though all the packages I used to know just vanished... |
| 22:43.58 | orn | JordiGH: ok |
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| 22:44.04 | enouf | er .. s/4086/4096 as default |
| 22:44.06 | wintix | Artemis3: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:44.12 | ryx | I'm just doing a debian intall from mini-cd and the mirror I selected seems to have major trouble |
| 22:44.13 | intruder | wintix: it is nasty indeed |
| 22:44.20 | intruder | thats why you should not suggest this |
| 22:44.20 | orn | so, I just ran apt-get upgrade (after apt-get update), and my mysql server got (or was supposed to) get update |
| 22:44.21 | Ozux | enouf, Oh TYVM |
| 22:44.21 | ShiFTKey | still not working |
| 22:44.22 | orn | updated |
| 22:44.23 | wintix | intruder: but it usually works :D |
| 22:44.24 | ryx | is it possible to somehow select another mirror in mid-install? |
| 22:44.26 | intruder | because it is also stupid |
| 22:44.33 | Artemis3 | wintix, thanks! |
| 22:44.35 | orn | but it hangs in the update process, is it a known current apt problem? |
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| 22:45.25 | wintix | intruder: well. i never thought of removing the debian packages before. ShiFTKey can still do that if moving the files worked. |
| 22:45.36 | ShiFTKey | it ddint work |
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| 22:45.37 | ShiFTKey | gyus |
| 22:45.43 | ShiFTKey | from whta I can tell from the xorg log |
| 22:45.45 | orn | This is the last thing I see before it hangs: Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. // Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-1) ... // Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 22:45.51 | intruder | wintix: this package was installed by mistake |
| 22:45.54 | intruder | by ShiFTKey |
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| 22:45.59 | ShiFTKey | it fails after trying to initialize textension glx |
| 22:46.26 | intruder | and it is the source of his problem |
| 22:46.26 | ShiFTKey | extension* |
| 22:46.26 | dkg0 | any autoconf gurus here? i'm having trouble getting an autoconf test for the berkeleyDB db_create() function right. |
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| 22:46.27 | ShiFTKey | should I attempt to reinstall the driver again? |
| 22:46.38 | wintix | ShiFTKey: no. remove the packages intruder told you, first. |
| 22:46.39 | intruder | ShiFTKey: review all the mistakes you have done, and your Xorg log file, and try to figure out |
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| 22:46.51 | ShiFTKey | the xorg doesnt show any errors |
| 22:47.11 | intruder | ... |
| 22:47.14 | nn-main2 | I really think they should make a cheep hand helled lcd irc/ssh client |
| 22:47.16 | eheil | Anyone know when Gnome 2.18 will fully be uploaded to Sid? B/c right now seems like its being uploaded in parts. |
| 22:47.19 | intruder | shoot it in a pastebin |
| 22:47.19 | ShiFTKey | and i moved the nvidia-glx + nvidia-kernel from /etc/init.d |
| 22:47.21 | dkg0 | i'm trying to rebuild the sarge cyrus21-imapd package against berkeleydb 4.2 and for some reason the cyrus autoconf detection scripts aren't picking up 4.2 at all. |
| 22:47.26 | orn | Nobody here can help, or eve tell me if there are known problems with upgrading to mysql-server-5 currently? |
| 22:47.33 | Bash | i dont have any xinitrc file. i need to modify how X starts fluxbox |
| 22:47.36 | jelly-home | nn-main2: connectivity? |
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| 22:47.59 | ShiFTKey | intruder: wait 5 minutes, let me load the vesa driver |
| 22:48.19 | infinisoft | I had problems with zlibCompileFlags when upgrading mysql |
| 22:48.27 | infinisoft | Thats about it |
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| 22:49.01 | jelly-home | nn-main: there are eg. Java clients for both irc and ssh for mobile phones. |
| 22:49.43 | intruder | Bash: then create a .xinitrc file |
| 22:49.50 | stew | orn: of course, make a backup before upgrading. (once your tables are converted to mysql 5 they can't be used with mysql4), in general there should be no problems |
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| 22:49.59 | orn | when I break the apt-get upgrade and kill the mysql processes started the following prints to stdout: thule:/var/lib/mysql# apt-g/var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 248: 29479 // one echo "$password_column_fix_query" // 29480 Killed $MYSQL_BOOTSTRAP 2>&1 // 29481 Killed | $ERR_LOGGER |
| 22:50.17 | nn-main | i mean a one that you can have a real key bord for |
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| 22:50.24 | stew | orn: wait, why did you break apt-get upgrade and kill the mysql process? |
| 22:50.31 | enouf | orn: not that i know of .. see the BTS? |
| 22:50.47 | Artemis3 | wintix, i made a reboot but it lost the config... /etc/network/interfaces has: iface eth2 inet dhcp wireless-essid "mywlanblah" did i miss something? |
| 22:50.55 | Talisker | OK, I have sound, and I have my favourite WM |
| 22:51.04 | Talisker | Now I need to get some nvidia drivers and I'm all set |
| 22:51.09 | Bash | intruder. i need to change the way it will load fluxbox. now i do startx and it does load fuxbox but not the proper way it seems. i need to execute startfluxbox and it can only run when in X |
| 22:51.11 | orn | stew: because it had been hanging for about 15 minutes and none of the processes were doing anything |
| 22:51.44 | stew | yikes |
| 22:51.49 | stew | orn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:51.56 | ShiFTKey-Linux | pastebin is giving me an error |
| 22:51.58 | ShiFTKey-Linux | lol |
| 22:52.03 | ShiFTKey-Linux | im getting pwned tonight |
| 22:52.07 | stew | ShiFTKey-Linux: paste.debian.net |
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| 22:52.13 | intruder | Bash: i know, creating an .xinitrc is still the solution |
| 22:52.16 | nn-main | all you would need is a net to serial chip a mirco Pic 4550 and a 40x2 charctor screen or bigger |
| 22:52.17 | orn | hmmm |
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| 22:52.25 | infinisoft | Where can I retrieve the file /etc/mysq/debian-start , reinstall of mysql-server-5.0 isn't doing it |
| 22:52.30 | Talisker | is there anything I need to know about installing nvidia on Debian? |
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| 22:52.39 | orn | debian-version says lenny/sid -- i really can't remember, set it up a long time ago, but every once in a while i run apt-get upgrade |
| 22:52.43 | stew | Bash: do you have a .xsession? |
| 22:52.55 | toad_ | is there any easy way to get an email when OOo 2.1 hits unstable? |
| 22:52.59 | wintix | Artemis3: try also setting the mode and enc setting. if that doesn't work, pastebin your interfaces file and the output of iwconfig |
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| 22:53.03 | toad_ | or testing? |
| 22:53.12 | ShiFTKey-Linux | its not working either |
| 22:53.12 | Bash | only xsession-errors |
| 22:53.23 | ShiFTKey-Linux | maybe i should just reinstall debian |
| 22:53.24 | Artemis3 | ok |
| 22:53.24 | intruder | Talisker: don't use the .deb packaged drivers |
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| 22:53.50 | stew | toad_: subscribe here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html |
| 22:53.58 | wintix | ShiFTKey-Linux: why do you use the binary driver at all? AIGLX support? |
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| 22:54.02 | Talisker | I think I'll use the drivers on the nvidia website |
| 22:54.14 | orn | stew: i set up either woody or sarge -- i think it was sarge |
| 22:54.39 | wintix | !tell Talisker about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:54.42 | ShiFTKey-Linux | wintix: I need opengl support, Open Arena |
| 22:54.52 | ofer | !tell ofer about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:54.55 | wintix | !tell ShiFTKey-Linux about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:55.02 | ShiFTKey-Linux | wintix: I tried that! |
| 22:55.05 | JordiGH | !tell everyone about self-tell |
| 22:55.06 | Ozux | I Have 200GiB File, It's a Picture (Air Map from a City) any body khow how can I Open it or at least break it into several little part? (I can't open it directly because my Box is 1.8 Intel) |
| 22:55.06 | ruied | I have four ethernets in my router with the rtl8139 with kernel 2.4.8 working fine, recently I've upgraded to kernel 2.6.18 and the system detects all interfaces but reports the following error for eth6: "eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No Such device", What could be the problem? all interfaces has the rtl8139 chip and they all work with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 22:55.16 | ruied | six ethernets |
| 22:55.25 | ShiFTKey-Linux | im just going to reinstall Debian |
| 22:55.28 | Talisker | how do I know if I need the experimental driver? |
| 22:55.34 | ShiFTKey-Linux | thanks for all the help guys |
| 22:55.37 | stew | orn: and does the upgrade fail everytime you run it? |
| 22:55.44 | wintix | ofer: you can msg the bot like /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:55.54 | ofer | wintix, yeah, forgot all about it. sorry. |
| 22:55.57 | ruied | arg, I have 6 ethernets, and it reports the error in eth2... |
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| 22:56.19 | wintix | Talisker: if you don't need AIGLX (beryl, etc) you don't need the experimental driver |
| 22:56.25 | orn | stew: yes, same failure -- always hangs |
| 22:56.33 | enouf | 200GiB Image .. oh my :-P |
| 22:57.01 | stew | orn: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 22:57.06 | toad_ | stew: cool, thanks |
| 22:57.14 | dkr | any idea why for mimedefang $Features{'Virus:CLAMD'} does not work, but $Features{'Virus:CLAMAV'} does? I think running clamscan for every mail is too much load on my server. When using clamd, the error is: "Something in your Perl filter appears to have opened a file descriptor outside of any function." |
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| 22:59.23 | orn | stew: 2.3.6 |
| 22:59.30 | enouf | Repeat .. has anyone ever had /etc/sysctl.conf overwritten after an update/upgrade .. I specifically recall placing an entry for kernel.sysrq = 1 enabling, but it's not there.. (er anymore, so it appears) |
| 22:59.40 | lontra | i have been tracking debian testing (i've had these issues with debian stable as well) and sometimes when X loads and it logs into kdm my screen flashes and my computer hangs, do you think this is a debian issue or is this likely a hardware issue? this happens every few times i reboot. |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | and --> likely hasn't been for a while now (I've looked at that file's contents at occassionally), but it's dated back in June of last year (2006) .. so ..I'm likely just losing my mind and thinking of a different installation |
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| 23:00.46 | stew | orn: you might try 'aptitude upgrade' you are running a bad mix of stable (or maybe older than stable) and testing |
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| 23:01.04 | dkg0 | tolecnal: it's unlikely that OOo2.1 is going to go into unstable, since 2.2 is already in experimental. |
| 23:01.05 | signuts | What is a debian too to select a fast mirror? |
| 23:01.15 | signuts | i'm getting a terrible download speed :( |
| 23:01.38 | stew | dkg0: 2.2 is in unstable |
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| 23:01.48 | dkg0 | sorry, that message was meant for toad_, who's already left. |
| 23:01.56 | stew | yup |
| 23:01.57 | enouf | I gave since edited and modified it accordingly again though .. and what's a bit weird is after editing, i decided to check --> cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq which says "1", yet hadn't closed nor restarted anything |
| 23:01.58 | ryx | signuts: me too, at ftp.de.debian.org |
| 23:02.05 | dkg0 | stew: thanks for that. |
| 23:02.07 | enouf | s/gave/have |
| 23:02.40 | orn | stew: it's fully up to date according to 'aptitude upgrade' |
| 23:02.57 | tolecnal | signuts: install apt-spy :) |
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| 23:03.08 | stew | orn: then you are mixing stable and testing, which isn't supported |
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| 23:03.27 | orn | how do i "unmix" them? :) |
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| 23:03.59 | lontra | stew: oo.org2.2 is in unstable? |
| 23:04.00 | runa | hi can sb help me with xwinwrap; if i put a vide it is blue;if i put a screensaver it is the overtop layer |
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| 23:04.08 | runa | xwinwrap |
| 23:04.13 | stew | lontra: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org/news/20070417T074805Z.html |
| 23:04.23 | signuts | tolecnal, thanks alot! |
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| 23:04.43 | lontra | i386 too? |
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| 23:05.03 | rcbarnes | (Yes I know they're non-free and I get no support if they toast my system.) I can't seem to find a good guide on installing nVidia binary drivers with a custom kernel (using make-kpkg). Anyone have a good link (that works in a text-mode browser (elinks))? |
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| 23:05.26 | stew | lontra: i doubt the autobuilders have gotten to it yet |
| 23:05.50 | lontra | stew: ok |
| 23:05.52 | signuts | lol, apt-spy segfaulted and overwrote my sources.list. Glad I made a backup! |
| 23:06.06 | indigoblu | i install a debian-etch system with a cdrom drive in it, now when I try to boot without the ide device, it complains it cant find my lvm volume and waits for root fs...any idea? |
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| 23:07.07 | orn | stew: found the problem on BTS |
| 23:07.15 | orn | it's a kernel compatability issue |
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| 23:07.20 | lontra | he he ... aptitude couldn't figure out a way to install oo.org 2.2 from sid :D |
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| 23:07.30 | orn | thanks for your help |
| 23:07.33 | stew | orn: wierd |
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| 23:07.54 | jetscreamer | signuts: btw apt-spy in sid was broken... |
| 23:07.59 | woodgrain | I have no lsb_release -a ... I can't tell why. |
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| 23:08.18 | orn | stew: yeah, someone else had the same problem, and he got a reply from someone saying that mysql5 wasn't supported on 2.4.x and he needed to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 23:08.28 | signuts | jetscreamer, yeah i'm reading about it now. <!-- on testing right now |
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| 23:08.50 | orn | stew: the guy with the problem noted that perhaps that should be mentioned by apt... which I would have to agree with :) |
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| 23:09.14 | em-dash | ok, I borked my apt-get config somehow and now I get 'Connection refused' errors when I `apt-get update` -- where should I start looking? |
| 23:09.25 | stew | orn: yes, it should, but you are at the mercy of the maintainer there. |
| 23:09.54 | orn | stew: i guess so :-) thanks for your help though |
| 23:10.04 | stew | orn: actually, 2.4 is mentioned to be not supported in the etch release notes |
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| 23:11.44 | jetscreamer | em-dash: /etc/apt/sources.list maybe |
| 23:12.00 | em-dash | jetscreamer: the source.list and apt/preferences look fine |
| 23:12.15 | jetscreamer | then try a different source maybe |
| 23:12.24 | em-dash | yeah, that's a good idea :) |
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| 23:13.25 | stew | jetscreamer: glibc is for i386 |
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| 23:13.50 | Talisker | OK, I have the experimental nvidia driver, now how do I get my windows to wobble? :P |
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| 23:14.08 | enouf | smack the monitor |
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| 23:14.29 | karsten | Talisker: Ply them with alcohol. |
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| 23:14.45 | jetscreamer | yes they are (yeah ok i meant libc6 which supplies glibc oops), but python-gtk2 depends on python-gobject (>= 2.12.1) |
| 23:15.03 | jetscreamer | and the gobject is not available |
| 23:15.13 | jetscreamer | oh yes it is nm |
| 23:15.19 | stew | Talisker: hah, you went from trying to build ion3 to wanting wobbly windows? |
| 23:15.32 | jetscreamer | yay only what, 3 or 4 days waiting for kbuild |
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| 23:15.42 | karsten | stew: It's the new ion3 multitasking mode. |
| 23:15.48 | jetscreamer | of course now, i don't care anymore... :/ |
| 23:15.51 | karsten | stew: The tabs wobble over one another. |
| 23:16.08 | Talisker | stew, I just want to see them in action |
| 23:16.12 | DavidProck1982 | ? |
| 23:16.16 | stew | Talisker: did you get ion3 built? |
| 23:16.18 | Artemis3 | wintix, http://paste.debian.net/25907 |
| 23:16.19 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 23:16.21 | Talisker | Yeah |
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| 23:17.08 | Artemis3 | wintix, it works fine using iwconfig and dhclient by hand (as root) |
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| 23:18.31 | wintix | Artemis3: try 'auto lo eth2' |
| 23:18.37 | wintix | in the config file. |
| 23:18.38 | Artemis3 | ok |
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| 23:19.06 | orn | stew: upgraded to 2.6 and it works now |
| 23:19.11 | Casius_Dracul | back |
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| 23:20.23 | wintix | Artemis3: is there an actual discrepance between the ssid you set in the config and the name of the wifi lan? eth2 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"OpenWrt�" <-> wireless-essid "OpenWrt" or is it the pastebins fault? |
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| 23:20.49 | em-dash | jetscreamer: adding another source to sources.list led me to realize that my routing was screwed up! Thanks for the reality check :D |
| 23:21.12 | Artemis3 | eh? let me see |
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| 23:21.16 | wintix | Artemis3: is the iwconfig paste from a clean reboot or after setting the stuff manually? |
| 23:21.44 | Artemis3 | after setting it manually |
| 23:22.05 | wintix | Artemis3: the ssid should be OpenWrt, hm? |
| 23:22.10 | Artemis3 | yes? |
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| 23:22.26 | wintix | Artemis3: ok. then just adjust the auto line in the interfaces file and it should work |
| 23:22.47 | Artemis3 | auto lo eth2 |
| 23:22.53 | Artemis3 | will reboot to see |
| 23:22.56 | wintix | Artemis3: yes. |
| 23:23.24 | wintix | Artemis3: if it doesn't work, don't set it manually. pastebin iwconfigs output instead. |
| 23:23.31 | Artemis3 | ouch |
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| 23:23.39 | wintix | hm? |
| 23:23.43 | Artemis3 | nvm |
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| 23:23.46 | Artemis3 | ill do that |
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| 23:24.38 | jetscreamer | oh hey and another thing: if exim4 is set to local only, ytf does having my nic cable unplugged make it hang for a while when booting, during startup? |
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| 23:25.27 | Artemis3 | wintix, when i load kwifimanager i get a dbus permission issue about powersave daemon, i suppose it not related? |
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| 23:25.51 | wintix | Artemis3: no idea. don't use kwifimanager :) |
| 23:26.06 | jetscreamer | that, or dbus was kinda hung and starting something else kinda kicked it in it's ass |
| 23:26.16 | jetscreamer | i've been wondering about that with a diff app |
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| 23:27.08 | jetscreamer | i might have to start hanging in #debian-boot to keep an eye on them and their sanity |
| 23:27.13 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 23:27.26 | wintix | ;) |
| 23:27.29 | dosingrat | Hello, I have ATAPI cd burner, and few days ago upgraded to Etch, kernel 2.6.18; now when compiling a kernel do I have to choose scsi emulation, or a real scsi support ? |
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| 23:27.40 | dosingrat | or both ? |
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| 23:27.56 | wintix | dosingrat: burning cds is no longer done via scsi |
| 23:28.11 | wintix | dosingrat: but you might want to keep scsi mass storage for usb stick and stuff |
| 23:28.21 | wintix | s/stick/sticks/ |
| 23:28.34 | Artemis3 | wintix, http://paste.debian.net/25908 |
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| 23:29.04 | wintix | what in the name of pete. |
| 23:29.17 | wintix | Artemis3: try ifup eth2 |
| 23:29.36 | dosingrat | Than, how to burn CDs now with the new kernel ? I tried 'wodim' and native ATAPI support in kernel and it didn't work. |
| 23:30.05 | wintix | i always use k3b. no idea how it does it. |
| 23:30.22 | wintix | (k3b may be kde but is pretty good ) |
| 23:30.38 | Artemis3 | wintix, interface lo declared allow-auto twice (couldn't read) |
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| 23:31.03 | Artemis3 | you sure its auto lo eth2 ??? |
| 23:31.12 | Artemis3 | isnt lo related to loopback? |
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| 23:31.20 | jahshua | yes |
| 23:31.26 | karsten | Artemis3: Intimately. |
| 23:32.04 | Artemis3 | ^^! |
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| 23:32.08 | wintix | Artemis3: http://paste.debian.net/25909 |
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| 23:32.11 | wintix | yes, but if you mess up the file, nothing will work. |
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| 23:32.33 | Artemis3 | hmm wait i removed that line and the blanks and it seems to work with ifup eth2 |
| 23:32.50 | wintix | Artemis3: also add allow hotplug eth2 |
| 23:32.57 | Artemis3 | ok |
| 23:33.33 | wintix | Artemis3: i updated the pastebin accordingly |
| 23:33.52 | wintix | try /etc/init.d/networking restart to see if it works |
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| 23:34.18 | Artemis3 | wintix, ok, i removed the blank identing spaces will try rebooting (ifup eth2 works fine) |
| 23:34.30 | wintix | ok, Artemis3 |
| 23:35.51 | Artemis3 | hmm with hotplug eth2 ifup fails... |
| 23:36.07 | wintix | Artemis3: i forgot a - between allow and hotplug |
| 23:36.17 | Artemis3 | ok.... |
| 23:36.25 | wintix | Artemis3: i just realized it, sorry. |
| 23:36.44 | JordiGH | How do I delete that has -- at the beginning of its name? |
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| 23:37.04 | wintix | JordiGH: rm -- foofile |
| 23:37.14 | enouf | JordiGH: rm -- --filename |
| 23:37.28 | jetscreamer | DIE ALLOW-HOTPLUG, DIE! |
| 23:37.35 | jetscreamer | /end rant |
| 23:37.57 | enouf | JordiGH: the rm manpage has a nice example IINM |
| 23:38.22 | JordiGH | really? |
| 23:38.25 | wintix | JordiGH: -- also works with stuff like mv |
| 23:38.36 | enouf | also ./--filename |
| 23:38.55 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 23:39.01 | wintix | enouf: ./ may not work if the filename is crappy |
| 23:39.02 | enouf | the -- means no moer command options ahead |
| 23:39.20 | jetscreamer | mower |
| 23:39.34 | enouf | wintix: just another option |
| 23:39.45 | wintix | enouf: yes |
| 23:39.59 | JordiGH | Great, thanks. |
| 23:41.43 | arencinosa | can any of you tell me where I can get libipt_layer.so? |
| 23:41.55 | arencinosa | I am trying to do `iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -m layer --l7proto r --l7proto http -j MARK --set-mark 9' |
| 23:42.02 | Artemis3 | wintix, its working after reboot |
| 23:42.06 | enouf | !tell arencinosa -about search |
| 23:42.56 | wintix | Artemis3: :) |
| 23:43.23 | arencinosa | enouf: sorry, but I already did it |
| 23:43.35 | arencinosa | and no debian package contains it |
| 23:44.00 | enouf | I thought allow-hotplug either died with udev coming, or with 2.4kernels, or something.. still necessary whenever using a iface that's switchable(on/off)? such as when one has a wired+wireless choices? |
| 23:44.19 | enouf | arencinosa: are you running debian? |
| 23:44.25 | arencinosa | yes |
| 23:45.06 | enouf | what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 23:45.28 | arencinosa | 4.0 |
| 23:45.46 | arencinosa | I am using kernel 2.6.18 |
| 23:46.11 | arencinosa | someone on #netfilter told me to compile iptables |
| 23:46.22 | arencinosa | but I already did it and nothing about that .so file |
| 23:46.38 | arencinosa | my real problem is that I need to work with layer7 |
| 23:46.39 | enouf | waiting .. |
| 23:46.50 | arencinosa | ok :-) |
| 23:46.53 | enouf | nope .. nothing here |
| 23:47.29 | arencinosa | I followed the layer7 instructions |
| 23:47.41 | arencinosa | about compiling kernel and iptables |
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| 23:48.07 | arencinosa | but no libipt_layer.so file was generated |
| 23:48.09 | enouf | dunno <shrugs> .. google might |
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| 23:49.15 | Artemis3 | wintix, thanks |
| 23:49.21 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' #iptables but i know nothing, not even if they should know |
| 23:49.46 | enouf | go back and bark at #netfilter |
| 23:49.55 | wintix | :D |
| 23:50.35 | enouf | it's likely you've missed a compile option |
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| 23:50.38 | jetscreamer | speaking of, why did i see X-Tables in menuconfig, did they change some name? seems to me it was different before. |
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| 23:51.02 | arencinosa | enouf: ok, I will, thanks |
| 23:52.02 | FelipeSouza | I have a second screen without use of xinerama(isn't related to first screen). The panel is opening in both, i want only in first. How can i force it to open in first screen only? Xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/65cm3c87.html . Thank's |
| 23:52.37 | FelipeSouza | gnome-panel* |
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